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| 00:05.01 | luwangui | rwhitby: done and done :p |
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| 00:10.39 | luwangui | still no luck getting into any of my palm accounts from the first-use app :/ |
| 00:10.44 | luwangui | even freshly created ones |
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| 00:21.02 | HogarthOK | hi folks |
| 00:21.07 | luwangui | hi |
| 00:22.27 | HogarthOK | would anyone be able to help me with a novacom problem? I'm on WinXP, 32 bit, and trying to run webos doctor to fix a new Touchpad that I broke... but i keep getting "Error 1053" on the novacom service starting |
| 00:22.41 | HogarthOK | i RTFM'\ed a lot but am unsure what I can do now.. and HP Support is useless. |
| 00:23.11 | luwangui | try a different computer? |
| 00:23.28 | HogarthOK | i don't have one. |
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| 00:24.08 | HogarthOK | but a good idea.. :( |
| 00:24.19 | dwc- | hrm |
| 00:24.21 | dwc- | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/839174 |
| 00:24.35 | dwc- | dunno if that's relevant to 3rd party windows services, or whether novacom even uses .net |
| 00:24.50 | HogarthOK | i saw that, tried it, no effect. |
| 00:25.29 | HogarthOK | not sure why loading an OS needs a windows service whatsoever, but I guess that's HP for ya. |
| 00:25.33 | dwc- | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/189497-post-os1-04-pinging-collective-new-install-method-17.html#post1761168 |
| 00:26.25 | dwc- | dunno what that's about |
| 00:26.46 | dwc- | try uninstalling the palm/novacom stuff, rebooting, and trying again? |
| 00:27.12 | dwc- | also, check the windows event viewer... myabe more details there |
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| 00:27.36 | HogarthOK | tried all that, dwc, but thanks for suggesting the windows event viewer. |
| 00:27.53 | HogarthOK | "winusb.dll was missing" is kinda silly in that it's in windows\System32 |
| 00:27.57 | dwc- | I believe Palm/HP is using the daemon/service model in order to get access to the device from java |
| 00:28.03 | HogarthOK | but i've copied it all over the place now >:) |
| 00:28.19 | dwc- | without having to deal with JNI, etc. all over the place |
| 00:28.27 | dwc- | that would be my guess anyways |
| 00:29.50 | dwc- | usually the event viewer has at least some slightly more useful info on service failures |
| 00:29.59 | dwc- | (even if it's mostly useless) |
| 00:30.58 | HogarthOK | It says that "Timeout (30000 milliseconds) occurred when trying to start service" even though it happens instantaneously |
| 00:31.32 | HogarthOK | guess i'll have to wait until i have access to another computer. tried it from a mac with equally non-helpful results |
| 00:31.37 | HogarthOK | (on account of it being 32 bit) |
| 00:33.15 | HogarthOK | thank you again for trying to help. |
| 00:35.37 | dwc- | what happens if you execute the novacomd.exe itself |
| 00:35.47 | dwc- | C:\Program Files\....\novacomd.exe |
| 00:37.52 | HogarthOK | 1 moment |
| 00:38.32 | HogarthOK | http://pastebin.com/X1Rgwg20 |
| 00:39.01 | dwc- | bah... |
| 00:39.12 | HogarthOK | my thoughts precisely |
| 00:39.15 | luwangui | is going for the most device doctors in one day |
| 00:39.24 | dwc- | ok, let me see if mine gets passed any cmd args |
| 00:39.30 | HogarthOK | tried with -b and same result |
| 00:39.34 | dwc- | or if novacomd is doing something like see if it's running as SYSTEM |
| 00:39.49 | dwc- | or if there's just some command line argument that services.msc isn't showing me |
| 00:43.01 | dwc- | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\NovacomD suggests no other args |
| 00:52.26 | HogarthOK | i assume i need novacom to do any kind of low level recovery -- i mean all i want to do here is reformat the thing |
| 00:53.43 | luwangui | yes you would need that |
| 00:55.35 | ka6sox | HogarthOK, you said "reformat the thing"...what do you mean by that? |
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| 00:56.13 | HogarthOK | i just want to go back to base WebOS 3.0.2 -- it's hung on the "HP" start screen and won't do anything. |
| 00:56.25 | ka6sox | how did you get to that point? |
| 00:58.09 | ka6sox | you say you "broke it"...how did you break it? |
| 00:58.12 | HogarthOK | "Erase All Apps and Data" |
| 00:58.26 | ka6sox | can you can't just doctor? |
| 00:58.45 | ka6sox | (since there isn't anything to save anyways) |
| 00:58.51 | HogarthOK | doctor won't run. doctor crashes with "System Information has encountered a problem and needs to close" |
| 00:59.24 | HogarthOK | i assume because Novacom won't start |
| 00:59.38 | ka6sox | ya, probably |
| 00:59.47 | ka6sox | why did you want to erase all apps etc? |
| 01:00.44 | HogarthOK | preware wasn't able to install things, gave me a readonly filesystem warning |
| 01:00.49 | luwangui | eyyy, great success :) wifi in first-use |
| 01:01.02 | HogarthOK | forums suggested erase all apps was a good idea |
| 01:01.37 | HogarthOK | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/242553-new-pre-app-catalog-not-working.html |
| 01:01.52 | ka6sox | says nothign about forums...they give mostly FALSE information. |
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| 01:02.19 | HogarthOK | that's why I've come here >:) |
| 01:02.29 | M25 | rwhitby: you around? I've almost finished sshfs |
| 01:03.10 | luwangui | seems that i needed config files in the "wan" folder as well in order to get wifi access in first-use |
| 01:03.23 | ka6sox | uh.... |
| 01:04.54 | ka6sox | HogarthOK, without novacomd working we can't help you. |
| 01:05.18 | ka6sox | as none of the tools we have work without access to the deviced. |
| 01:05.21 | ka6sox | -d |
| 01:05.45 | HogarthOK | aok |
| 01:05.52 | HogarthOK | I do appreciate ya'll trying. |
| 01:06.03 | HogarthOK | I'll see what else I can break to get novacomd to work. |
| 01:06.07 | HogarthOK | take care |
| 01:12.43 | luwangui | eugh, enough doctoring for one night |
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| 01:17.43 | M25_ | etc, it thinks i'm on here twice |
| 01:19.07 | M25_ | can a mod/admin/op please kick the M25 with no _? I feel very silly stealing my own nick due to a bad browser session |
| 01:20.02 | ka6sox | M25_, its gone |
| 01:20.07 | ka6sox | so switch |
| 01:20.19 | M25_ | thanks :) |
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| 01:48.07 | rwhitby | M25: hey |
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| 02:39.36 | Kaerey | dtzwill you done anything in the chroot yet that would cause the device to not reboot? |
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| 02:47.26 | Kaerey | ok, so I farked something on the touchpad while messing with Ubuntu stuff and it won't reboot now. Shoud I use the meta-doc or the stock doc to get it running? If I use the meta-doc with the 4gb ext3 partition will it create another one? |
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| 02:49.12 | NuttyBunny | I don't understand how you people manage to break your touchpads using the ubuntu chroot. It's supposed to be inside a chroot and thus not do any harm outside that filesystem.. |
| 02:49.26 | Kaerey | yeah that's what I totally thought as well |
| 02:49.32 | M25 | rwhitby: almost got SSHFS working, I just need to know what prefix I should give fuse, so it'll set the correct prefix in the pkgconfig, for SSHFS to read |
| 02:49.59 | M25 | the glib .pc files in pkgconfig all have /opt as their prefix, but that doesn't seem to work for fuse |
| 02:50.02 | rwhitby | M25: I'm not a pkgconfig expert |
| 02:50.11 | rwhitby | it won't be /opt |
| 02:50.16 | rwhitby | probably something in STAGING_DIR |
| 02:50.57 | M25 | righto |
| 02:51.20 | Robi_ | um why is there a 2.2 doc for pre3 when it supposed to run 3.0? |
| 02:55.08 | rwhitby | Pre 3 does not run 3.0, and has never meant to do so. |
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| 03:04.17 | M25 | hey, I've found the issue, it's not that fuse is including the wrong paths, it's that the .pc files in glib have the wrong prefix |
| 03:04.42 | M25 | rwhitby: where in the glib makefiles should I set that prefix? most of the actual operations are from included .mk files, I'm not sure which one to change |
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| 03:13.35 | rwhitby | M25: I'm not familiar with the glib makefiles |
| 03:14.14 | ka6sox | he has to get a better connection |
| 03:14.36 | rwhitby | glib is just pulled in from optware |
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| 03:24.32 | M25 | ahha! the prefix isn't written by any of the makefiles! it's pre-assigned in the .ipk files that are downloaded |
| 03:25.31 | M25 | anyone here willing to claim responsibility for the glib ipk? |
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| 03:40.45 | rwhitby | M25: looks like the glib comes from optware, which is designed to sit in /opt |
| 03:40.56 | rwhitby | M25: so I wouldn't use any stuff from it |
| 03:41.15 | M25 | ... but sshfs depends on glib... you want me to compile it from source instead? |
| 03:41.27 | rwhitby | M25: I'd set a pkgconfig path instead |
| 03:41.55 | rwhitby | are those erroneous .pc files being staged somewhere? |
| 03:42.04 | rwhitby | cause they should not be if they are referring to /opt |
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| 03:42.16 | M25 | yeah, they need to be, sshfs takes its lib includes from the .pc files |
| 03:42.38 | rwhitby | are those erroneous .pc files being staged somewhere? |
| 03:42.44 | M25 | they're being staged with the rest of the files in the lib directory, yeah |
| 03:43.10 | M25 | I can cut them out, I'm not sure it'll help any |
| 03:43.53 | kyle3om | hello, i'm getting an error when trying to build my metadoctor for a ubuntu partition. would anyone be able to assist me? |
| 03:44.05 | rwhitby | M25: yeah, incorrect .pc files should *NOT* be being staged |
| 03:44.15 | M25 | gotcha, working on it now |
| 03:45.53 | rwhitby | M25: does sshfs have another way to specify the locations other than pkgconfig ? |
| 03:46.19 | kyle3om | I get "please download the correct version of the weOS doctor .jar file and move it to ... Error 1" do I need to rename it? |
| 03:46.22 | M25 | yeah, the -I and -L flags, which are already in use, removing the errant .pc files removed some of the problem, it's still not able to link properly |
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| 03:49.33 | kyle3om | http://imgur.com/vZMnK is the output I get. I really thought I followed the meta doctor walkthrough perfectly |
| 03:50.43 | M25 | bizarre, it's not finding the files that are right there in the directory it's looking fore |
| 03:50.46 | rwhitby | kyle3om: pleae tell me how I can make that message clearer. |
| 03:51.28 | rwhitby | ""Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file and then rename and move it to ...." |
| 03:51.57 | kyle3om | but does that mean the version I have is incorrect or I just need to rename it? |
| 03:52.01 | rwhitby | kyle3om: seriously, I want to know. I've made it absolutely as clear as I can, and I want to know how I can make it clearer so I don't get people asking this same question every day. |
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| 03:53.31 | rwhitby | the wiki page even says: "Note : if you receive an error message when running the make file, (e.g 'Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file and then move it to downloads/webosdoctorp220manta-wr-2.2.0.jar'), and you are sure you have the correct doctor you need to rename your doctor file, so it matches the name in the error message (e.g. sudo mv webosdoctorp220mantawr.jar webosdoctorp220manta-wr-2.2.0.jar)" |
| 03:54.22 | M25 | rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/MtPNmcfZ |
| 03:54.28 | M25 | that's the error I continue to get on compiling sshfs |
| 03:54.50 | M25 | libfuse.la is in the lib directory, right where it should be |
| 03:55.01 | rwhitby | .la is not a library file |
| 03:55.19 | rwhitby | does libfuse.so exist in staging/armv7/usr/lib ? |
| 03:56.10 | M25 | .la is a pkgconfig library file, I don't get any .so files when I compile fuse... although that may be the issue |
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| 03:56.29 | kyle3om | ohh. sorry. I just read the "If the build fails" section and didn't solution their. didnt think to check the header to that section. sorry |
| 03:57.09 | rwhitby | kyle3om: ok, please edit the wiki page so that the next person does not do the same thing. |
| 03:57.15 | rwhitby | let me know when you have done your edit. |
| 03:58.38 | M25 | rwhitby: ahHA! libfuse, y u no make .so file like in my older compilation.... |
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| 03:59.00 | kyle3om | ok. will take a bit. have to make an acnt first |
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| 04:09.06 | kyle3om | rwhitby: I actually think you/someone may have deleted step 8 in the Linux directions. in the "Error Conditions" section it references "the file rename in step 8 above" but there is no step 8 |
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| 04:16.43 | kyle3om | rwhitby: ok I have copied the note from Step 2: Running the webos Doctor" and put it in the "Error conditions" section. Also I removed that bit about the "step 8" as their is no step 8. |
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| 04:17.48 | M25 | rwhitby: fuse is now satisfied, despite a hidden .libs folder hiding the actual .so files... now I'm running into the problem of without the glib .pc files, the linker can't find the functions it needs... trying a workaround |
| 04:20.54 | M25 | rwhitby: that's effing bizarre... when I put the 'bad' glib .pc files back... it works... completely |
| 04:21.03 | M25 | it's built |
| 04:22.22 | M25 | rwhitby: how do I submit these precious makefiles into the git repo for testing, approval, and eventual inclusion into preware? |
| 04:22.55 | M25 | also, I had to modify glib's makefile to get some includes copied over, turns out the default staging setup misses some of them. Same with FUSE, although that's one I added outright. |
| 04:23.17 | rwhitby | kyle3om: thanks |
| 04:23.56 | rwhitby | M25: put a tarball or patches somewhere I can get them |
| 04:24.18 | |Jason8| | Sweet mother of God. |
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| 04:26.45 | M25 | rwhitby: it'll be up on my public server in 10, I'll give you a url |
| 04:26.57 | rwhitby | M25: ok |
| 04:27.32 | M25 | doing some tests first, just to make sure it builds from scratch, you'll need to run make && make stage on both the glib and fuse directories in toolchain, then the same on sshfs |
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| 04:35.59 | M25 | good thing I checked, I forgot to copy the actual end-products |
| 04:36.13 | M25 | rwhitby: should my make script copy the sshfs binary to any particular place? |
| 04:37.05 | rwhitby | M25: what's the packaging and install plan? |
| 04:37.44 | M25 | it appears to just be one binary, sshfs |
| 04:39.20 | M25 | righto, putting it in bin |
| 04:43.42 | M25 | rwhitby: I've gotta say, this is the strangest, yet most straightforward way of packaging software, one script that does everything for each package, and a staging directory where everything's supposed to go when it's done, and be pulled from when needed |
| 04:43.50 | M25 | never seen anything like it. |
| 04:46.28 | M25 | rwhitby: m25.mooo.com/build.tar.gz |
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| 04:52.03 | M25 | rwhitby: any and all feedback would be appreciated, I can msg you my email if you'd like |
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| 04:55.10 | Kaerey | what's the unaltered size that lvdisplay /dev/mapper/store-media should show? |
| 04:58.14 | rwhitby | M25: please /msg me the name and email address you would like me to use as the author of those changes when I commit them to the git repo |
| 04:59.27 | M25 | I'm so proud! I've been an iPhone developer for 2 summers, and now for several months at a full time corporation, this is the first time I'm actually getting credit in any app store anywhere :P |
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| 05:04.46 | Kaerey | ok I seem to have lost the 4GB partition that was ext3 for the ubuntu chroot and the directions linked from the wiki aren't helping to recover it. Anyone have experience with this? |
| 05:09.21 | rwhitby | M25: I was able to build sshfs here |
| 05:09.34 | M25 | rwhitby: WOO!!!! :D |
| 05:10.02 | nebj00la | nice |
| 05:10.03 | rwhitby | M25: Can you please add usage instructions to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SSHFS |
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| 05:10.14 | M25 | on it |
| 05:10.16 | rwhitby | then I will work out how to package it for Preware |
| 05:10.34 | nebj00la | I'll definitely use it |
| 05:11.59 | rwhitby | M25: I expect we'll put it in /opt/sbin/sshfs rather than /usr/bin |
| 05:12.29 | rwhitby | I need to do an optware package for rsync too ... |
| 05:12.41 | M25 | that's fine, as long as it's on $PATH for ease of use |
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| 05:24.55 | rwhitby | M25: the built sshfs binary seems to work for me |
| 05:25.12 | M25 | :partay: |
| 05:25.49 | rwhitby | doing an md5sum of a 24MB file to test it |
| 05:26.08 | M25 | need to switch OS's, be back in a bit |
| 05:26.12 | rwhitby | I do get "fuse: warning: library too old, some operations may not not work" as a warning |
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| 05:28.40 | M25 | k, back |
| 05:32.32 | rwhitby | md5sum matched |
| 05:32.35 | rwhitby | I do get "fuse: warning: library too old, some operations may not not work" as a warning |
| 05:34.18 | M25 | huh, if you like you can up the fuse version, I used the latest stable I found on sourceforge |
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| 05:53.12 | M25 | rwhitby: the wiki page is made btw |
| 05:53.21 | rwhitby | M25: thanks |
| 05:53.49 | M25 | so what's the prognosis on getting this into preware? |
| 05:54.02 | rwhitby | M25: good. just a matter of time now. |
| 05:56.37 | PatrickC_TP | M25: what's the new wiki page for? |
| 05:57.31 | M25 | sshfs |
| 05:57.38 | PatrickC_TP | ah |
| 05:58.15 | PatrickC_TP | has anyone had their touchpad stop charging on the touchstone? I saw some forum threads about it, but wanted to get first-hand experiences from people I know :) |
| 06:02.54 | M25 | on that note, anyone got a solution for propping up the touchpad when using a Bluetooth keyboard with it? |
| 06:03.23 | PatrickC_TP | M25: the case is what I use |
| 06:03.27 | PatrickC_TP | official* |
| 06:03.39 | M25 | there's an official case? |
| 06:03.47 | PatrickC_TP | eys |
| 06:03.50 | PatrickC_TP | yes* |
| 06:04.24 | PatrickC_TP | M25: http://www.amazon.com/HP-TouchPad-Custom-Fit-Case/dp/B0055QYJKG |
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| 06:05.50 | M25 | nice, but I'm looking for something that wouldn't stay on the touchpad all the time |
| 06:06.50 | PatrickC_TP | touchstone? |
| 06:07.20 | PatrickC_TP | and its very easy to take the case on/off |
| 06:07.22 | M25 | I had thought about that, which is why I asked, how is the touchstone at holding the pad if placed on, say, a mattress |
| 06:07.50 | PatrickC_TP | I think it would do fine.. |
| 06:07.55 | PatrickC_TP | takes a picture of his |
| 06:08.25 | M25 | actually, looking at that, I could probably 3d print something just like it |
| 06:08.29 | Satellite | touchstone works even with the case on |
| 06:09.20 | M25 | good to know... I'm not looking to spend more than $20 on whatever solution I get though, I'm willing to have it look less than professional |
| 06:09.54 | M25 | I'm making a quick model in SketchUp that should do the job, based on the touchstone |
| 06:09.57 | PatrickC_TP | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.02 | PatrickC_TP | box.net* |
| 06:10.30 | M25 | does the touchstone work with the touchpad horizontal as well as vertical? |
| 06:10.38 | scorche | yes |
| 06:10.57 | PatrickC_TP | yes |
| 06:11.11 | Kaerey | yes, but only in one direction |
| 06:11.25 | Kaerey | home button down vertically and speakers down horizontally |
| 06:11.59 | M25 | that makes sense |
| 06:12.46 | PatrickC_TP | M25: https://www.box.net/shared/3o4t3c8inkbqec0fyhyx. |
| 06:12.54 | PatrickC_TP | argh.., https://www.box.net/shared/3o4t3c8inkbqec0fyhyx |
| 06:13.48 | M25 | they both worked |
| 06:14.08 | M25 | PatrickC_TO: that's a hell of a lot of terminals, are those all xterms? |
| 06:14.13 | PatrickC_TP | ohreally... |
| 06:14.19 | PatrickC_TP | that's wIRC :) |
| 06:14.25 | M25 | gotcha |
| 06:14.38 | M25 | webchat works fine for me, I'm never in more than one room at once on this thing |
| 06:14.49 | PatrickC_TP | I'm normally in 2 rooms at a time |
| 06:14.55 | PatrickC_TP | but I like wirc because of the notifications |
| 06:15.09 | PatrickC_TP | and just because oil and PuffTheMagic made it :) |
| 06:15.25 | PatrickC_TP | oh, dwc- too :P |
| 06:17.10 | M25 | PatrickC_TO: would it be odd if I asked you to take some baseline measurements of the touchstone? I can 3d print an equivalent one for much cheaper |
| 06:17.45 | M25 | just the thickness, width, and height of the main back of the unit, the depth of the lip at the bottom, and the length/angle of the hinging leg |
| 06:18.32 | PatrickC_TP | lemme look for a tape measure |
| 06:19.46 | PatrickC_TP | 11cm wide, 14.5cm tall, and the hinge on the back is 10cm |
| 06:19.58 | PatrickC_TP | (cm was easier to do then in) |
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| 06:20.41 | M25 | how far down from the top is the start of the hinge? |
| 06:21.10 | PatrickC_TP | approx. 3.5cm |
| 06:21.50 | M25 | sweet. All I need now is thickness of the plastic, and how far the lip at the bottom sticks out |
| 06:22.13 | M25 | await a minute |
| 06:22.28 | M25 | oh! Nevermind |
| 06:22.33 | M25 | it folds, that'll do it |
| 06:22.40 | PatrickC_TP | thickness is .5cm, and the width at the bottom is 1cm |
| 06:22.41 | PatrickC_TP | oh, ok |
| 06:23.39 | PatrickC_TP | are you going to build a stand to the specs of the touchstone? lol |
| 06:24.06 | M25 | I'm going to print one |
| 06:24.21 | M25 | I live about 10 blocks from MIT, they have a 3d printer you can rent time on |
| 06:24.34 | PatrickC_TP | ah |
| 06:24.36 | M25 | prints in ABS plastic, same stuff as lego |
| 06:25.00 | ka6sox | makes his own printer...from another printer. |
| 06:25.01 | M25 | I'm mocking up the design now, I can send you it if you want |
| 06:25.08 | M25 | ka6sox: reprap? |
| 06:25.22 | ka6sox | prusa mendel |
| 06:25.36 | M25 | ka6sox: haven't heard of that one |
| 06:25.46 | M25 | oh! Wait a sec, first gen or second gen? |
| 06:26.15 | ka6sox | 2ond Gen |
| 06:26.31 | M25 | nice, what's the size of the print area? |
| 06:26.45 | ka6sox | 200mm X 200mm |
| 06:27.10 | M25 | huh... That's big enough to fit the touchstone |
| 06:27.12 | halfhalo | sounds fancy |
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| 06:29.38 | ka6sox | http://i52.tinypic.com/11wfvh3.jpg |
| 06:29.49 | ka6sox | thats what it will look like when I'm done |
| 06:30.28 | PatrickC_TP | lol cool |
| 06:30.38 | M25 | wow... |
| 06:38.52 | M25 | well, got a static model... Now to see if I can make a hinge |
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| 06:48.16 | haydn | Just been told hybrid apps are supported in the app catalog by HP now - is that correct? |
| 06:49.05 | ka6sox | haydn, did you ask HP? |
| 06:56.40 | rwhitby | M25: changed fuse to use the source and patches from opensource.palm.com |
| 06:57.05 | rwhitby | halfhalo: wIRC is a hybrid app |
| 06:57.07 | M25 | that fix the warning? |
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| 06:58.41 | haydn | != halfhalo ;P |
| 07:01.23 | haydn | Has anyone noticed the sale on london's craigslist for a photo of a touchpad @ £130! |
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| 07:09.24 | rwhitby | M25: does sshfs have to run as root, or can a normal user run it? |
| 07:10.00 | M25 | not sure, fuse has some weird permissions requirements depending on how its installed |
| 07:11.01 | loswillios | rwhitby: a normal user can run it |
| 07:12.55 | Olodin | Hi |
| 07:12.58 | Olodin | I've tested Uberkernel and Warthog kernel on my Veer 2.1.1 but none seem to support cifs. Any plans on that? |
| 07:13.32 | cryptk | it could be done as a module perhaps |
| 07:13.38 | cryptk | but no plans that I know of atm |
| 07:13.45 | cryptk | patches are always welcome ;) |
| 07:13.57 | M25 | rwhitby: what's the protocol for an app going from testing to regular repos |
| 07:14.12 | rwhitby | M25: people testing it with no problems |
| 07:14.37 | rwhitby | and us being happy that it's packaged properly, e.g. for upgrade, remove, etc. |
| 07:14.45 | rwhitby | sshfs should be in the testing feed now |
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| 07:15.07 | rwhitby | Olodin: we need to go through and add CIFS support to all our kernels. |
| 07:16.07 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 07:16.17 | Olodin | +rwhitby: that sounds good! I've read somewhere that cifs is available in touchpad Uberkernel already |
| 07:17.29 | Olodin | where's the makefile for Uberkernel? the link to the git repo in http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/242728-webos-internals-uber-kernel.html gives me an error |
| 07:17.54 | Olodin | this one: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=kernels/uber-kernel-pre/Makefile |
| 07:18.12 | M25 | rwhitby: downloading and testing now |
| 07:20.17 | cryptk | Olodin, that link is from a long time ago... we transitioned from gitweb to cgit |
| 07:20.18 | cryptk | http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/kernels |
| 07:20.19 | cryptk | try that one |
| 07:20.28 | cryptk | then just look at whatever kernel you are interested in |
| 07:21.17 | Olodin | thanks, I'll have a look |
| 07:25.17 | M25 | rwhitby: it works, but its not in a location that the default $PATH scans |
| 07:26.01 | M25 | I think because it's listed as a regular app, not as an optware package |
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| 08:33.13 | loswillios | After deinstalling I re-installed 'add launcher tabs' and they don't show up. |
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| 08:38.34 | loswillios | ah, now |
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| 08:59.29 | Jack87 | rwhitby, is there an easier way of overwriting tokens other then doctoring. (I want to write a user friendly instructional documentation for the demo unit fix) |
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| 09:19.25 | rwhitby | Jack87: there is not |
| 09:19.35 | rwhitby | at least not a way that is safe for end users to do |
| 09:19.59 | rwhitby | M25: to list it as an optware app, we'd need to add the packages to optware first |
| 09:20.04 | Jack87 | copy that... I was looking at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie_Themes but i think i like doctor better |
| 09:20.48 | Jack87 | if you can spit out a meta-meta script I'll write up instructions based on that. |
| 09:20.54 | rwhitby | too many things in that to get wrong, and a single typo could trash your bootloader |
| 09:21.17 | rwhitby | which on a pixi, veer or touchpad would be a brick at the moment |
| 09:22.20 | Jack87 | rwhitby, do you mean for a meta meta script or the Bootie_Themes method? |
| 09:22.55 | rwhitby | bootie themes method |
| 09:23.24 | geist | yay bootie themes |
| 09:23.27 | Jack87 | thought thats what you ment |
| 09:23.42 | geist | i had grand plans to have mukltiple layers, alpha blend animations together for bootie |
| 09:23.50 | geist | but it was hampered by the 64KB memory limit on omaps |
| 09:23.50 | Jack87 | is wondering when geist will get a TP |
| 09:24.23 | rwhitby | geist: were you involved in the touchscreen driver at all? |
| 09:24.30 | geist | for which product? |
| 09:24.42 | geist | only barely, early on, for the pre |
| 09:28.08 | rwhitby | the touchpad touchscreen driver seems to be very much in userspace, with very raw data coming from the kenrel |
| 09:30.32 | rwhitby | M25: the idea would be to put a webOS UI on sshfs, so the path wouldn't matter |
| 09:31.15 | rwhitby | considers mountah |
| 09:44.08 | tabasko | hoedy |
| 09:44.37 | tabasko | I received today mine touchpad, and silly me put my real country on hp app catalog when it asked about it |
| 09:44.53 | tabasko | I should have put it to USA, so I could buy paid apps |
| 09:45.15 | tabasko | is there any patch to try correct this? |
| 09:45.43 | tabasko | from palm-central forums I found "the first run app", that should be in preware catalog |
| 09:45.48 | tabasko | but I cannot find it.. :/ |
| 09:46.22 | rwhitby | you're probably reading a forum thread for phones |
| 09:46.35 | rwhitby | doctor the touchpad, start again, select new country. |
| 09:46.59 | rwhitby | do you have a US credit/debit card? if not, you won't be able to buy paid apps from the US app catalog |
| 09:47.02 | tabasko | its not receiving eearlier choice from backups or something? |
| 09:47.28 | tabasko | rwhitby: no, I have just finnish one |
| 09:47.48 | rwhitby | then setting it to US app catalog is of no use to you |
| 09:47.59 | tabasko | but with giftcards I could get some apps? |
| 09:48.10 | tabasko | now, when I hit paid apps tab, there is nothing |
| 09:48.21 | Jack87 | cant download files from password protected sites/php (like online classes) with touchpad pain in the ass! |
| 09:50.41 | rwhitby | tabasko: you must have a credit card registered to use promo codes |
| 09:51.32 | tabasko | I have creditcard, but not US-one |
| 09:51.55 | rwhitby | you must have a US credit card registered to access paid apps in the US app catalog |
| 09:52.11 | tabasko | okay |
| 09:52.26 | tabasko | Ill have to live with free apps + homebrew |
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| 09:56.31 | Jack87 | why is "hulu fix" not in the patches feed? |
| 09:56.53 | Jack87 | same as Add Launcher pages? |
| 09:59.56 | rwhitby | Jack87: it's not a patch. it's the same as Add Launcher pages |
| 10:00.12 | Jack87 | gotcha |
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| 10:09.24 | TDL | Hello |
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| 10:09.44 | RichT23 | has been a bad bad boy |
| 10:09.55 | TDL | Anyone know how to get css fixed positioning to not suck on webos? |
| 10:23.51 | rwhitby | TDL: more likely to get an answer in #webos where the JS/CSS devs hang out |
| 10:24.55 | TDL | thanks sir |
| 10:25.20 | izza | [06:09] * RichT23 has been a bad bad boy |
| 10:25.22 | izza | wut |
| 10:26.10 | RichT23 | izza: i ordered TWO veers yesterday |
| 10:26.24 | RichT23 | they arnt on sale in the UK |
| 10:26.47 | RichT23 | thorght ill ether sell one here or give the other to my mum =) |
| 10:27.11 | RichT23 | i theory i could cover the costs of both by selling one here |
| 10:27.29 | izza | Heh, eBay. |
| 10:27.34 | rwhitby | RichT23: and you should do so |
| 10:29.03 | izza | I like faking out older people by using Skype on my Touchpad, and just holding it to my head. |
| 10:29.48 | izza | I could not have such fun with the Veer, sadly. |
| 10:30.57 | TDL | I really wish they had used the pixi backing material for the touchpad |
| 10:31.30 | izza | Rubberized? |
| 10:32.21 | izza | has not seen one in person, so does not know what material you refer to |
| 10:32.38 | RichT23 | rwhitby: Ill see how much i like the Veer |
| 10:32.51 | RichT23 | I realy wanted a Pre3 |
| 10:33.11 | rwhitby | Only one problem with my Pre 3. |
| 10:33.25 | rwhitby | It's only 8GB. My Pre 2 is 16GB. It's not gonna fit. |
| 10:33.48 | RichT23 | Ya its crazzy they they didnt have SD card slots |
| 10:34.27 | RichT23 | i love(d) the 650 and its sim and sdcad slot |
| 10:34.36 | RichT23 | just sat there at the top |
| 10:34.44 | RichT23 | i still have the 650 of course |
| 10:34.56 | RichT23 | and still love it =) |
| 10:35.01 | RichT23 | and the 680 |
| 10:35.13 | RichT23 | and am still using my Centro |
| 10:35.20 | RichT23 | so much faster |
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| 10:58.59 | TDL | yeah pixi has a rubberized backing |
| 10:59.30 | TDL | also fully removable/replacable for inductive charging |
| 10:59.40 | TDL | (and sim card) |
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| 11:59.09 | eliasp | sconix: just found a bug in Mode Switcher (Pre3)... "Edit Default Mode" â "Settings" â "Screen" â "Wallpaper" â "Select" makes the wallpaper look like this: http://i.imgur.com/Xlt6d.png |
| 11:59.35 | eliasp | oups, only partially uploaded... re-uploading it |
| 12:02.50 | eliasp | sconix: full screenshot: http://eliasprobst.eu/~elias/stuff/Unknown_2011-05-09_135726.png |
| 12:12.36 | sconix | eliasp: thanks for reporting, will fix for next release |
| 12:13.19 | eliasp | sconix: great, thx |
| 12:45.42 | hk135 | hi guys, im trying to build teh standard webos opensource kernel |
| 12:46.07 | hk135 | I got ther kernel from opensource.palm.com, and applied the patches there no problem |
| 12:46.20 | hk135 | I build the msm_defconfig and then run make |
| 12:46.23 | hk135 | but i keep getting |
| 12:46.50 | hk135 | arch/arm/mach-msm/pm.c:195: error: 'MAX_NR_CLKS' |
| 12:47.11 | hk135 | any ideas? |
| 12:48.02 | YeahRight | i am trying to mount my nas on the TP..running uberkernel, uberkernel is supporting cifs isnt it? |
| 12:48.18 | YeahRight | however i get : mount: mounting //192.168.1.122/video on /media/internal/nas failed: No such device |
| 12:48.31 | YeahRight | does this mean the kernel doesnt support cifs afterall? |
| 12:48.47 | hk135 | -t cifs added to mount at all? |
| 12:48.52 | YeahRight | yes |
| 12:49.26 | Olodin | YeahRight: you need latest Uberkernel from testing feed |
| 12:49.54 | YeahRight | ah..i installed through preware indeed |
| 12:49.59 | YeahRight | so that one wont work yet? |
| 12:50.38 | Olodin | YeahRight: cifs support seems to be there since 3.0.2-36 |
| 12:50.53 | Olodin | YeahRight: if you have not configured any manual feed, it won't work |
| 12:51.17 | YeahRight | no i didnt do that yet..i dont know which version i got installed |
| 12:51.22 | YeahRight | should i uninstall the preware uberkernel one first before using a test feed? |
| 12:51.33 | Olodin | YeahRight: yes |
| 12:51.54 | YeahRight | ok..thanks for the answers..appreciate it :-) |
| 12:52.30 | YeahRight | seems preware installs 3.0.2-22 |
| 12:52.58 | YeahRight | would you recommand any specific kernel? since i will start using a testfeed anyway there isnt a specific need for using uberkernel |
| 12:54.03 | YeahRight | will uninstalling uberkernel influence my openssh setup somehow? |
| 12:56.37 | bb-q | do u have to repay for a purchase and deleted app and is there a way to gift an app to someone? |
| 12:57.10 | YeahRight | Olodin still here maybe? |
| 12:57.28 | rwhitby | bb-q: no, no (unless you are the developer of the app) |
| 12:57.44 | bb-q | thats gay |
| 12:57.46 | Olodin | YeahRight: sorry. openssh shouldn't be affected |
| 12:58.16 | rwhitby | I don't think app purchasing and gifting has anything to do with sexual orientation ... |
| 12:58.28 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 13:01.48 | Olodin | YeahRight: I have no touchpad and cannot suggest any specific kernel. If you need cifs, maybe you could stick with Uberkernel and give some testreport |
| 13:01.50 | YeahRight | thx Olodin .. how about a specific kernel to recommand? what's the general opinion here about the "best" kernel? |
| 13:02.16 | YeahRight | i thought i saw more kernels support cifs |
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| 13:03.19 | Olodin | warthog seems to do so |
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| 13:16.46 | eliasp | sconix: just updated to MS 2.4.1 and wondered why after the device reboot the default mode wasn't enabled... then I started MS and set it to "Activated"... I was greeted by this: http://eliasprobst.eu/~elias/stuff/modeswitcher_2011-05-09_151527.png |
| 13:17.34 | eliasp | sconix: ping me if you need any debug information (Pre3) |
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| 13:28.18 | jobbywl | test |
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| 13:31.04 | YeahRight | i was wondering if a new version of preware maybe could maybe list whether or not apps are meant to run natively on the touchpad? |
| 13:32.29 | Tibfib_ | hmmm I don't think so |
| 13:32.33 | Tibfib_ | but don't quote me on that |
| 13:33.24 | Tibfib_ | hmmmmm. The issue is whether the apps that are just for the touchpad have a flag to let preware know... I'm unaware of one. |
| 13:40.23 | YeahRight | the HP app store does list it i think..that maybe suggests such a flag sould exist? |
| 13:40.26 | YeahRight | would |
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| 13:43.33 | YeahRight | kun je bij die duitse winkel wel met nl cc of paypal betalen? |
| 13:43.53 | YeahRight | sorry..wrong channel |
| 13:49.43 | eliasp | is there a way to save the data of 'Mode Switcher' (2.4.1, Pre3, webOS 2.2.x) using Save+Restore? there's a ModeSwitcher listed under "Supported Applications", but I assume this is Mode Switcher 1.x |
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| 14:48.44 | sconix | eliasp_: stupid typo left in the code, will release 2.4.2 soon |
| 14:49.17 | eliasp_ | sconix: great, thx a lot... any idea about Save&Restore and MS 2.x? |
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| 14:57.38 | sconix | eliasp_: just pushed 2.4.2, fixes wallpaper and the service error |
| 14:57.53 | sconix | eliasp_: no need for save&restore, the config is stored in palm profiel and you can always export your modes |
| 14:57.54 | eliasp_ | sconix: great, updating now |
| 14:58.01 | sconix | eliasp_: it takes a while to show up |
| 14:58.03 | sconix | 15-30 minutes |
| 14:58.06 | eliasp_ | sconix: ah, ok |
| 14:58.19 | sconix | you need to re-select the wallpapers in your modes for it to get fixed |
| 14:58.36 | sconix | after the update |
| 14:59.11 | eliasp_ | just had it set in 1 modifier and only for testing... hadn't really used the wallpaper setting |
| 15:00.31 | sconix | the current fix is still a bit hack since you need to re-select the wallapepr for it to work. I will fix it properly for MS 3.x |
| 15:01.19 | eliasp_ | oh, there's a MS 3.x on the way? MS 2.x seemed just perfect, but it looks like you found a way to improve it even more ;) |
| 15:01.47 | sconix | http://wee.e-lnx.org/tmp/ms-enyo-0.png |
| 15:01.53 | sconix | its re-write in enyo :) |
| 15:01.56 | sconix | there's the tablet interface |
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| 15:02.33 | eliasp_ | ah, ok... trying to get a TP 32 tomorrow... a German retailer will have tomorrow 1.3k units for sale |
| 15:02.43 | sconix | the main change is that the setting profiles are separte from modes so you can even re-use them in multiple modes |
| 15:02.53 | sconix | also you can see the current situation seen by mode switcher: http://wee.e-lnx.org/tmp/ms-enyo-9.png |
| 15:03.24 | eliasp_ | yay, really sexy this Enyo interface :) |
| 15:03.31 | eliasp_ | thx for this nice sneak preview ;) |
| 15:03.49 | sconix | Ms 3.x will be finally in the shape I originally intented it to be :) |
| 15:03.53 | eliasp_ | got to go now, will test MS 2.4.2 later, it didn't show up in the feeds yet |
| 15:03.55 | eliasp_ | great |
| 15:04.08 | sconix | let me know if there are problems in 2.4.2 |
| 15:04.19 | eliasp_ | I'll do, thx for the updates/fixes |
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| 15:10.16 | newbie | hello all |
| 15:11.39 | nat_davies | Has the equivelent of the PalmDatabase.db been found on webos 2 yet? |
| 15:11.48 | nat_davies | and if so is it actually accessable? |
| 15:21.27 | nat_davies | any one? |
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| 15:43.09 | m0ngr31 | hey guys, I'm trying to sideload kindle books on the touchpad. It's reading a database somewhere to get the list of books instead of looking in the folder that has them all. i've been digging through the source of the kindle app, and I think I understand the database structure that it's using so i can write a script to manually add some books, but i can't find the database or how to access it... can anyone give me some poin |
| 15:45.36 | destinal | m0ngr31: interesting, I've been meaning to check into that also. I have been able to sideload books by downloading books I don't need, then taking the book I want and converting it in calibre to .mobi (which unencrypted .azw and .mobi are the same thing) , then copying it to the device in place of (with the same filename as) the "disposable" book |
| 15:45.48 | destinal | m0ngr31: so I know that the kindle app will open arbitrary ebook files |
| 15:46.06 | destinal | but I haven't gotten to putting new books into the database yet |
| 15:48.53 | m0ngr31 | destinal: yeah, i've done a bunch of kindle 3 hacking back when i first got mine. i wrote some python and bash scripts that would find the info from your books and assign them a real ASIN number and give them a fake one if they weren't sold in the amazon store. it worked great for syncing your sideloaded books using whispersync across your devices |
| 15:49.32 | destinal | m0ngr31: nice, I didn't even realize that worked |
| 15:49.42 | m0ngr31 | i really like the functionality of whispersync, so i'd want the ASIN numbers to match and not be garbage ones so it would sync across my devices |
| 15:50.36 | m0ngr31 | destinal: yeah, as long as amazon thinks it's not a sample and has a legit-looking ASIN number it'll sync progress across your different devices |
| 15:51.25 | destinal | ah so you sideload it to all your kindle devices individually but it keeps track of where you are in the book on all of them? |
| 15:51.35 | m0ngr31 | exactly |
| 15:52.07 | m0ngr31 | and I'd like to have that work on the touchpad as well... but i can't figure out how to inject things into the database it's using. |
| 15:52.18 | destinal | yeah that is pretty cool. my other reader is a nook2 but I could always load up the kindle app :) |
| 15:52.51 | m0ngr31 | yeah whispersync is awesome |
| 15:53.19 | destinal | m0ngr31: so probably it's a sqlite database on the device, I just haven't gone looking, yet |
| 15:54.01 | m0ngr31 | there is some information in these: /var/db/main/objects.db and /var/db/main/indexes.db |
| 15:54.34 | m0ngr31 | i've been looking in impostah and found all the entries for books, but i have no idea about how to add info to the database |
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| 16:05.04 | destinal | sigh, firefox / chatzilla decided to lose its mind |
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| 16:19.21 | nat_davies | has any one been able to backup texts on WebOS 2 yet? |
| 16:19.49 | NuttyBunny | nat_davies: the palm profile can back them up :) |
| 16:20.31 | nat_davies | I know but I'm running webos 2 on a pre- and need to downgrade so they are all going to be lost. |
| 16:20.43 | nat_davies | so need to get them off the device. |
| 16:21.58 | YeahRight | is it possible to uninstall something without using the hp software manager? it wants to update 2 things i installed, however the updates keep failing and in fact i just want to uninstall those things again but the option isnt there anymore |
| 16:27.31 | dwc- | YeahRight: device with keyboard? the square key + tap on the launcher |
| 16:27.52 | dwc- | or, try swipe-to-delete in the software manager |
| 16:29.42 | nat_davies | does webos has an equivelent of the PalmDatabase.db on 1.4.5 etc? |
| 16:29.50 | nat_davies | webos 2** |
| 16:40.41 | NuttyBunny | nat_davies, check on PreCentral, I think someone did backup the messaging stuff |
| 16:42.38 | nat_davies | it did work on Save/Restore for webos 1.4.5.. but now it doesn't give the option to backup the data. |
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| 17:10.51 | sdct989 | I was interested in exploring a patch to allow for connection to Ad-Hoc networks via the TouchPad. I found the wifi.js file, however, I'm having a hard time finding the source for the WiFiService that it calls out to. Any ideas where the source is for that? |
| 17:11.07 | sdct989 | Any other help or hints would also be appreciated. |
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| 17:12.28 | wrea | sdct989:No source is available for WifiServce afaik. |
| 17:13.40 | sdct989 | That's a bummer, is there no way to make changes to those components then? |
| 17:13.47 | wrea | sdct989: http://opensource.palm.com/3.0.2/index.html Thats all the source available |
| 17:14.24 | sdct989 | wrea: Yeah I was looking at that earlier, but really its only the open source packages that they made changes to |
| 17:14.50 | sdct989 | wrea: I'm guessing that this is some sort of custom C code components that they made to back the JavaScript? |
| 17:14.52 | wrea | Yeah. They're only going to make available what they have to |
| 17:15.11 | wrea | Yeah |
| 17:16.22 | sdct989 | wrea: Do you know if anyone has made any patches for C code objects on WebOS devices at all? |
| 17:18.20 | wrea | Not sure. It wouldnt be out of the realm of possibility, I would think |
| 17:18.24 | sdct989 | I know I've seen several articles online about swapping kernels, so it looks like people are doing stuff at the Linux layer |
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| 17:24.24 | dec1227 | hey guys, how do I get an onboard terminal or an ssh server working? much of the documentation refers to a package called Terminal, but I cant find it. and I can't figure out how to get openssh to run :/ |
| 17:26.46 | dec1227 | *correction it seems to be running, but the authentication fails. the only way I know to resolve the problem I'm having w/ ssh is to copy an rsa key to the server (ie the touchpad) |
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| 17:30.40 | haydnh | dec1227: yeah installing a rsa key is required. For just an on screen termial app you can use xecutah, xserver & xterm |
| 17:35.34 | robobot[0] | haydnh: none of those show up in a preware search. do i need to add a feed? |
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| 17:41.58 | dec1227 | haydnh: i don't have web access on the tp atm, but I did search for xterm last night and couldn't find it... what robobot[0] said... |
| 17:48.50 | dtzWill | dec1227, robobot[0]: For the time being xterm/xserver/xecutah are in the testing feeds. Note that as such all testing feed rules apply if choose to add them. |
| 17:49.25 | robobot[0] | iow, dont come crying if your touchpad explodes |
| 17:49.38 | dtzWill | indeed |
| 17:50.25 | dtzWill | although offhand if your device does explode for real, please do tell us becaues that's crazy ;) |
| 17:50.30 | dtzWill | *kablooey* hehe |
| 17:50.46 | dtzWill | heh, actually i think the testing feed rules obligate you to tell us what you did to cause that so we can debug it xD :P |
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| 17:51.09 | dec1227 | dtzWill: thanks! |
| 17:52.29 | robobot[0] | cool, it works. thx haydnh and dtzWill |
| 17:52.48 | robobot[0] | now to find a use for it. |
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| 19:02.50 | help | hi |
| 19:03.23 | Guest31848 | i have just got my touchpad |
| 19:03.48 | Guest31848 | and insatlled on my computer webosquickinstall |
| 19:04.00 | Guest31848 | now i tried to install preware but it said downloading and then installing |
| 19:04.08 | Guest31848 | but it appears its stuck under installing |
| 19:04.25 | Guest31848 | minutes and no response |
| 19:04.58 | izza | Kill it, and try again. I've had to do that once or twice. |
| 19:05.08 | Guest31848 | killed it twice |
| 19:05.14 | Guest31848 | its already the 3rd time |
| 19:05.27 | izza | Have you killed it, and checked to see if there's a launcher? |
| 19:05.33 | Guest31848 | yes |
| 19:05.39 | Guest31848 | disconnected the usb went to downloads |
| 19:05.47 | Guest31848 | saw only hp catalog |
| 19:06.18 | Guest31848 | i used task manager to kill it |
| 19:06.23 | Guest31848 | because it wouldn't respond |
| 19:06.31 | izza | Well... time to an hero. ;P |
| 19:06.46 | Guest31848 | hero?! |
| 19:07.18 | Guest31848 | think i might restart |
| 19:07.31 | izza | Try grabbing Preware from the HP App Catalog. |
| 19:07.42 | Guest31848 | ok thanks |
| 19:07.47 | Guest31848 | one more quesstion |
| 19:08.04 | Guest31848 | it appears when i press ejact device from usb |
| 19:08.08 | Guest31848 | and then disconnect it |
| 19:08.23 | Guest31848 | it continually asks me to unmount before disconnecting |
| 19:08.34 | izza | It still bitches, saying "Ouch!"? |
| 19:08.41 | Guest31848 | ooops nvm this time it worked |
| 19:08.52 | Guest31848 | weird little thing |
| 19:09.36 | izza | So long as you're not writing to the device, or transferring anything, you should be fine even if it complains. |
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| 19:11.40 | Guest31848 | preware homebrew documention is what i should download |
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| 19:43.36 | xrothgarx | is there a way to spoof the web user agent with impostah? |
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| 19:48.35 | yazgoo | Hi everyone, did anyone ever get: "qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped" while building a cross-compile package ? |
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| 19:51.49 | dwc- | izza: grabbing the *documentation* for preware in the HP app catalog is not going to fix |
| 19:52.45 | izza | dwc: Wasn't aware it was just docs... I installed from there, and I had Preware running afterwards. |
| 19:56.47 | jacques | yazgoo, yes, I've seen that from qemu bugs and hw problems; which version of qemu are you using? |
| 19:57.38 | yazgoo | qemu-arm -version |
| 19:57.38 | yazgoo | qemu-arm version 0.14.50 (Debian 0.14.50-2011.03-1-0ubuntu2), Copyright (c) 2003-20 |
| 19:57.41 | yazgoo | 08 Fabrice Bellard |
| 19:58.18 | jacques | which package build causes the qemu failure? |
| 19:59.10 | jacques | recently I've had luck with downgrading qemu to 0.13.0 (built my own qemu-arm) |
| 19:59.36 | yazgoo | common/glib-2.0 |
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| 20:01.52 | jacques | yazgoo, yeah, that's the package which caused me to build my own qemu-arm |
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| 20:02.38 | jacques | but recently here, someone found that sb2 in ubuntu includes its own qemu. he configured to use that version, and IIRC glib built for him |
| 20:03.35 | yazgoo | Ok, cool, I'll install 0.13.0 then. Thanks :) |
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| 20:04.54 | phanter | hi there. |
| 20:05.14 | phanter | I am interested in testing the linphone on my pre2. Is it still available for testing? |
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| 20:12.38 | zefyx | dropped my frankenpre. now when i power the phone on, im given nothing but a backlight black screen. any ideas? |
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| 20:18.41 | Kaerey | So, I just got a nice burst of sound out of the Ubuntu Chroot, and then the touchpad reset. |
| 20:20.34 | ghostinator | i've been having issues with the ubuntu chroot and memory usage, govnah will show about 900mb in use. exit the chroot - > unresponsive TP.. have to login through novacom and issue a reboot command |
| 20:21.07 | Kaerey | what are you running on yours? |
| 20:21.29 | ghostinator | on my ubuntu chroot? Just lxde and chromium |
| 20:21.51 | ghostinator | wanted to try gnome but my ext3fs partiition wasn't big enough |
| 20:23.40 | ghostinator | anyone know who made the wifi chipset in the touchpad? doing wlan security analysis from my touchpad instead of my bulky laptop would be super classy and easier to carry around :D |
| 20:23.54 | Kaerey | I'm trying to figure out how to boot into a nice netbook version of gnome/unity but keep getting errors or the side launcher panel not auto hiding. |
| 20:24.38 | ghostinator | yeah that does sound more ideal than lxde.. lxde remind me of dull android... and it'S dull interface |
| 20:25.10 | Kaerey | netbook-launcher-efl works well. |
| 20:25.36 | Kaerey | but I had the top and bottom bars from unity at one point before I crashed the TP last night and had to Dr. |
| 20:30.23 | izza | A port of wicd to the TP would be amazing. |
| 20:30.43 | PatrickC | wirc* you mean? |
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| 20:30.52 | ghostinator | forget wicd, im 'd love aircrack-ng and kismet :D |
| 20:31.01 | ghostinator | depending if the wifi chipset is supported |
| 20:31.16 | izza | I love kismet, but I'm thinking more for the average user. |
| 20:31.44 | ghostinator | ehh,, i could just see the precentral forums now for support. No one reads anything as it is |
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| 20:32.40 | ghostinator | kismet and aircrack, the average user has no use for anyways. |
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| 20:33.52 | izza | Well, right, that's why I think wicd would be nice. |
| 20:34.28 | izza | Makes me scratch my head as to why HP didn't implement a dropdown menu to select a network. |
| 20:34.29 | Loudergood | that is mostly python |
| 20:35.05 | ghostinator | i see your point |
| 20:35.57 | Kaerey | anyone know the command to run different versions of gnome? |
| 20:36.08 | Kaerey | is it gnome-session --session=unity-2d? |
| 20:37.09 | ghostinator | ok so after some digging, the touchpad uses the Atheros AR6003X, now let's see what i need to do and what i might have to add to the kernel for packet injection |
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| 20:43.17 | wrea | ghostinator: No monitor mode on the touchpad |
| 20:44.12 | ghostinator | no way to implement it at all? even if i recompile kernel with the correct support? |
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| 20:44.57 | Loudergood | that should be easy enough |
| 20:45.14 | ghostinator | ive done it for my laptop several times |
| 20:45.41 | M25 | monitor mode as in using the tp as an external monitor? |
| 20:45.47 | yazgoo | jacques: 0.13.0 and 0.15.0 did not work for me. |
| 20:45.48 | wrea | The ath6kl driver doesnt support monitor mode. So until it does, nada. |
| 20:46.48 | ghostinator | New mac80211 Atheros drivers have native injection and monitoring support, Let me see what i can find |
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| 20:47.53 | wrea | I even went in asked in #ath6kl and someone confirmed it for me |
| 20:48.37 | ghostinator | hmm.. i hope your wrong haha |
| 20:49.30 | wrea | Well, if we ever do get support for it I have libpcap and libnl packages and a half done kismet makefile |
| 20:50.01 | izza | No biggie, just get a rework station, and replace it with a pin-compatible chip with monitor support. ;P |
| 20:50.12 | wrea | lol |
| 20:50.19 | ghostinator | lol |
| 20:50.27 | ghostinator | sounds pratical ;) |
| 20:50.36 | izza | Of course. lol |
| 20:50.46 | wrea | Or get a usb wireless card that supports it |
| 20:50.56 | izza | There we go. |
| 20:51.25 | ghostinator | im sure we can find someway to get it power. little battery box that has 5volts.. should work |
| 20:51.36 | wrea | Yeah |
| 20:52.17 | izza | I'd just solder to a test point. |
| 20:52.24 | izza | Surely there's 5v to be had. |
| 20:53.11 | ghostinator | hm, well i do have an extra usb wlan stick that supports monitor mode and packet injection. I just need to get a y cable |
| 20:54.01 | M25 | can the touchpad work as a USB host, as well as client? |
| 20:54.19 | izza | Well, I know a USB keyboard works. |
| 20:55.30 | M25 | izza: really? Wonder what else does... Mass storage? |
| 20:56.05 | izza | Worth a shit. |
| 20:56.07 | izza | *shot |
| 20:56.36 | izza | glares at his Qwerty layout, and shakes head |
| 20:56.54 | M25 | if that works, I feel sorry for those who bought the 32GB version |
| 20:57.35 | izza | Still worth having the 32GB on board for the extra $50. |
| 20:58.07 | zefyx | im replacing a screen on a busted pre |
| 20:58.15 | zefyx | can i use the screen without the plastic overlays that go on it? |
| 20:58.25 | zefyx | im assuming that is there for water protection or such |
| 20:58.35 | zefyx | possibly for angled viewing, but im not sure |
| 20:58.53 | dwc- | 5V power is pretty easy to do... all those battery-powered usb charger things |
| 20:59.19 | M25 | zefyx: as long as they're not touch sensors, it should be ok |
| 20:59.23 | izza | I'd just make a Y-cable, and power it off your PC. |
| 20:59.35 | dwc- | but that's not as portable |
| 20:59.48 | izza | Well, for testing. |
| 21:00.19 | izza | Has anyone opened their TP yet? |
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| 21:00.26 | izza | Here, I mean. |
| 21:00.36 | zefyx | i dont see how they could be |
| 21:00.41 | zefyx | they have no flat wire or anything leading to them |
| 21:01.03 | M25 | ifixit has, says you're guaranteed to break the screen clips when you do |
| 21:01.23 | Jack87 | PatrickC, whats up? |
| 21:01.33 | zefyx | they came off when removing the screen |
| 21:01.40 | PatrickC | its a wubi question. I'll PM |
| 21:01.44 | izza | Well that sucks. |
| 21:03.29 | zefyx | screen clips are intact =p |
| 21:05.16 | M25 | zefyx: nice |
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| 21:13.32 | YeahRight | can someone tell me why SDLterminal doesnt install? the logo just keeps on spinning and it never finishes |
| 21:13.39 | zefyx | grr |
| 21:13.43 | zefyx | the connectors on the screen ripped |
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| 21:15.41 | M25 | HeadLight: its not designed for touchpad |
| 21:15.44 | M25 | jdkfnnf |
| 21:15.49 | izza | really wishes Pre apps were apart from Touchpad apps in Preware |
| 21:15.58 | M25 | YeahRight: its not designed for touchpad |
| 21:16.41 | M25 | you'll want to use xorg and xterm from the testing repos I think |
| 21:16.41 | zefyx | screen replacement on a pre is so damn irriating. |
| 21:17.03 | haydnh | xecutah, xserver and xterm |
| 21:18.12 | YeahRight | M25 : i see..so i can only get an xterm when the TP is connected to my pc? |
| 21:18.50 | YeahRight | somehow my openssh server isnt running anymore..i must have changed something through preware |
| 21:19.03 | M25 | no, you can run xterm on the touchpad itself, in its own xorg session |
| 21:19.34 | YeahRight | oh really? sounds cool..how would i do this? (its all rather new to me) |
| 21:19.40 | ghostinator | i notice with openssh on my touchpad, i have to go into novacom and run "start mobi.optware.openssh" to get it to run everytime before i try to connect |
| 21:19.49 | haydnh | Yeahright: download those 3 from the testing feeds, run xecutah, click xserver to open an xserver card, then click xterm in the xecutah card to open an xterm in the xserver card |
| 21:20.20 | YeahRight | those 3 refer to? |
| 21:20.38 | haydnh | my previous post above, xecutah, xserver and xterm |
| 21:21.06 | YeahRight | ok..sorry if it seems obvious :-) |
| 21:21.17 | haydnh | Info on testing feeds here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 21:21.24 | YeahRight | thank you! |
| 21:21.57 | YeahRight | ghostinator : so when you reboot you loose openssh each time? |
| 21:22.11 | ghostinator | indeed so |
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| 21:22.30 | YeahRight | it shouldnt be like that.. |
| 21:22.34 | ghostinator | i've redoctored about 3 times so i don't know whats the cause |
| 21:22.42 | ghostinator | what folder has the list of services to start at boot? |
| 21:23.09 | YeahRight | i installed the bourne shell yesterday and after that i lost my openssh, but after uninstalling bourne again and rebooting openssh was back again |
| 21:23.17 | YeahRight | and today its gone again somehow.. |
| 21:23.53 | ghostinator | i never played with bourne but once every reboot i have to manually start the service |
| 21:24.34 | haydnh | You could create a init script to start it at boot |
| 21:25.06 | YeahRight | you type "start mobi.optware.openssh" at the novaterm terminal each time? |
| 21:25.10 | ghostinator | yep |
| 21:25.18 | YeahRight | thats not workable.. |
| 21:25.26 | haydnh | You could create a init script to start it at boot |
| 21:25.28 | YeahRight | the idea is not to have to connect the TP by cable.. |
| 21:25.33 | dwc- | there should be one |
| 21:25.49 | ghostinator | exactly! let me open internalz and see whats up |
| 21:25.54 | dwc- | check your /var/log/messages for startup failures |
| 21:25.54 | YeahRight | haydnh : i'm not linux master either..;-) maybe if you could guide us a bit about what to do exactly? |
| 21:26.09 | dwc- | /var/palm/event.d |
| 21:26.11 | YeahRight | but shouldnt the preare installation take care of that? |
| 21:26.15 | YeahRight | preware |
| 21:26.19 | ghostinator | it did on my pre- |
| 21:26.27 | dwc- | you might try changing the "start on stopped finish |
| 21:26.57 | YeahRight | where? |
| 21:27.08 | dwc- | /var/palm/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh |
| 21:27.10 | ghostinator | hmm.. oddly enough.. there is a mobi.optware.openssh in that folder that is set to that. |
| 21:28.21 | dwc- | yea, try changing it to start on started org.webosinternals.optware |
| 21:28.52 | ghostinator | to "started on stopped finish"? |
| 21:29.12 | dwc- | no, to "start on started org.webosinternals.optware" |
| 21:29.42 | ghostinator | lemme check |
| 21:29.56 | ghostinator | already set to start |
| 21:32.27 | dwc- | does that help it startup at boot? |
| 21:33.10 | ghostinator | let me start it from scratch, currently no |
| 21:33.31 | ghostinator | I'll uninstall it, reboot, verify there aren't any files lying around. install, create the key. reboot and check |
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| 21:33.51 | spotter | another simple email patch |
| 21:33.51 | spotter | http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-apps/297301-patch-email-app-dont-move-scroll-position-folder-picker-move.html#post3134425 |
| 21:34.14 | ghostinator | i do know though, nbench does not like being run through openssh or novaterm/com. gets errors everytime |
| 21:34.23 | YeahRight | dwc- : i have "start on stopped finish" atm |
| 21:34.36 | YeahRight | i should change that to "start on started org.webosinternals.optware" ? |
| 21:34.44 | dwc- | yeahright: try it and see if it helps |
| 21:35.17 | YeahRight | can i read somewhere about these start options and their differences? |
| 21:36.30 | dwc- | upstart.ubuntu.com |
| 21:36.43 | YeahRight | thanks |
| 21:36.49 | ghostinator | lemme boot into ubuntu real quick, gotta install an irc client too.. i'll be back shortly |
| 21:40.46 | YeahRight | i'm real sorry for the noob question but can you tell me how to create an empty line in nano editor? i can edit but cant creat ne wlines somehow..(using nano in novaterm) |
| 21:42.14 | haydnh | Ewwww nano |
| 21:42.21 | YeahRight | lol..i know..:-) |
| 21:42.27 | haydnh | what's wrong with the enter key? |
| 21:42.34 | YeahRight | well it doesnt work.. |
| 21:42.40 | haydnh | bah, use vi |
| 21:42.51 | YeahRight | it goes to the next line but no new line is created |
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| 21:44.48 | ghostinator | back |
| 21:45.37 | rwhitby | ghostinator: let me know if the upstart changes fix the race condition on openssh |
| 21:46.39 | YeahRight | race condition? |
| 21:46.51 | ghostinator | wait what? I might of missed something between rebooting from windows to ubunut |
| 21:46.54 | ghostinator | ubuntu*] |
| 21:48.09 | haydnh | ubunut sounds better tbh |
| 21:48.37 | ghostinator | haha |
| 21:50.27 | haydnh | actually, why do HP only ship .debs for the sdk, they should at least include rpm's as well... lazy sods... |
| 21:52.02 | YeahRight | ok i changed to "start on started org.webosinternals.optware" |
| 21:52.56 | YeahRight | rebooting now |
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| 21:53.29 | ghostinator | rebooting now, then renistalling openssh.. I love the verbose boot of unix's f15c kernel.. everyone is always like "is it suppose to do that?!?!" |
| 21:53.53 | YeahRight | haydnh : when i connect the TP in usb mode i see my full 32 GB, however if i connect through openssh..it tells me 512MB space..is there a way to see the other space as well? |
| 21:54.11 | YeahRight | ghostinator : why did you reinstall? |
| 21:54.31 | ghostinator | that was the game plan i mentioned earlier |
| 21:55.11 | ghostinator | and i guess im uncertain about exactly where to change what. from what i coudl tell it was set right. i have all the time in the world anyways right now |
| 21:55.40 | YeahRight | right |
| 21:56.14 | YeahRight | changing that start option might have fixed it.. |
| 21:56.18 | YeahRight | i have openssh again now |
| 21:56.27 | ghostinator | i had to reboot anyways due to the f15c update |
| 21:56.28 | YeahRight | thanks dwc- |
| 21:56.57 | ghostinator | well i didn't have to... but i got impatient |
| 21:57.18 | YeahRight | how about the space issue? |
| 21:57.55 | YeahRight | if i want to copy files through openssh i would like the files to fill the 32 GB space and not some part of the filesystem where space is valuable |
| 21:59.11 | spotter | anyone know how the internal db works for apps like alarm? |
| 21:59.23 | spotter | I change the datastructure (say by appending items to the end), will it just work? |
| 21:59.36 | spotter | or does some sqlite magic have to be run on the underling db? |
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| 22:00.18 | spotter | between I and change it was supposed to be something like "want to" |
| 22:00.33 | zefyx | anything i can use on a pre to show the ram amount? |
| 22:00.46 | zefyx | i have a bunch of pre plus and pre minus boards. i have one installed. trying to see if its the right one |
| 22:01.24 | spotter | zefyx, log in via novaterm |
| 22:01.26 | spotter | free |
| 22:01.29 | spotter | ex on my touchpad |
| 22:01.31 | spotter | # free |
| 22:01.31 | spotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.31 | spotter | Mem: 941452 |
| 22:01.37 | zefyx | ty |
| 22:01.57 | spotter | which is a strange amount now that I think about this |
| 22:02.02 | spotter | shouldn't there be 1GB of ram? |
| 22:02.43 | zefyx | thats 1 |
| 22:03.15 | spotter | I guess it is |
| 22:03.20 | zefyx | i'm betting the rest is shared to gpu |
| 22:03.24 | spotter | my 4GB laptop also shows something like that |
| 22:03.27 | YeahRight | how can i prevent the TP to stop failing a file transfer through openssh when it dims the screen? i already jave set WIFI to always on but it seems that doesnt help |
| 22:03.36 | ghostinator | run nodoze |
| 22:03.42 | ghostinator | thats what i do |
| 22:03.46 | YeahRight | i tried that |
| 22:03.51 | YeahRight | didnt work i think |
| 22:03.58 | ghostinator | even with keep the screen on option? |
| 22:04.03 | ghostinator | thats the only way it'd work for me |
| 22:04.18 | YeahRight | not sure..thats a specific option in nodoze? might not have tried that |
| 22:05.03 | spotter | probably a wifi power management thing? |
| 22:06.24 | YeahRight | prob be but it annoys the hell out of me ;-) |
| 22:07.02 | zefyx | grr.. |
| 22:07.10 | zefyx | cant find anything online about replacing the pre slider |
| 22:07.39 | zefyx | i guess i'll replace the entire mechanism |
| 22:10.28 | ghostinator | yeah i gave up on my pre.. last one i got from sprint, the clearcoat over the screen had orange peel and was blurring my screen then the entire slider mechanism broke.. this was like number 7.. i said forget it.. my contract expired with them so i don't care |
| 22:10.46 | ghostinator | been using google voice and talkatone and gv mobile on my ipod touch since.. free calls and texts all day and night :D |
| 22:11.16 | ghostinator | only if i could get something similar for the touchpad.. i'd pay whomever did it |
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| 22:12.58 | zefyx | no one likes quiters |
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| 22:13.47 | ghostinator | i do if it saves me $70 a month. no one calls me anyways, only texts from girls so i can deal haha |
| 22:14.30 | zefyx | lol true |
| 22:19.00 | haydnh | Err is precentral down or really slow atm?!? |
| 22:21.43 | wrea | Getting a 504 error here |
| 22:22.01 | ghostinator | forget openssh, i get connection refused, verified the service is started.. i'll deal with it later when i have more patience |
| 22:22.23 | ghostinator | precentral works for me |
| 22:22.43 | wrea | Front page does, forums don't |
| 22:23.18 | ghostinator | works fine for me |
| 22:23.49 | ghostinator | checking my nbench and webosmark benchmark thread now :D |
| 22:24.30 | YeahRight | for nodoze to work reboot is necessary? |
| 22:24.40 | YeahRight | cause also with scren on it doesnt work just now.. |
| 22:25.14 | ghostinator | hmm.. not sure whats up, a reboot never hurts but it works for me |
| 22:25.37 | haydnh | forum back now |
| 22:26.05 | YeahRight | rebooting now.. |
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| 22:30.29 | ghostinator | switched to touchpad |
| 22:32.20 | ghostinator | so currently there is no way to see CPU temp on the touchpad? just battery right? |
| 22:32.22 | YeahRight | nodoze really doesnt work here |
| 22:32.29 | YeahRight | screen just dimmed again :-( |
| 22:32.52 | ghostinator | leave it open as the active card |
| 22:33.00 | YeahRight | Govnah shows temp |
| 22:33.09 | ghostinator | it says battery though |
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| 22:33.17 | YeahRight | you do that yourself too> |
| 22:33.22 | YeahRight | leave it opne all the time> |
| 22:33.24 | YeahRight | ? |
| 22:33.39 | ghostinator | when I'm using openssh yeah |
| 22:33.43 | YeahRight | ah |
| 22:33.52 | YeahRight | i assumed it acted like a flag |
| 22:33.57 | YeahRight | maybe that was the issue.. |
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| 22:34.51 | ghostinator | on my pre - it didn't have to be the active card but on the touchpad I think it does |
| 22:35.16 | nohorse | are the homebrew apps OS? can I contribute to them? is there a worklist? |
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| 22:45.09 | ttownlarry | I think HP just released a needed versik |
| 22:45.20 | ttownlarry | newer version of webos |
| 22:45.30 | ttownlarry | can anyone confirm. |
| 22:45.47 | ghostinator | for what? |
| 22:46.10 | ttownlarry | newer than 3.0.2 |
| 22:46.38 | ghostinator | just checked, said I was uo to date with 3.0.2 |
| 22:46.40 | ttownlarry | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.45 | YeahRight | same here..no update |
| 22:46.50 | ttownlarry | how do I check |
| 22:46.52 | ttownlarry | ty |
| 22:47.07 | ghostinator | update manager I believe |
| 22:47.20 | ghostinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.21 | ttownlarry | thx |
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| 22:50.09 | ttownlarry | can anyone advise as to why my to only shows me @ 1.188ghz on gonna? |
| 22:50.27 | ttownlarry | should I be able to increase manually? |
| 22:50.49 | LarrySteeze | you mean TP? |
| 22:50.53 | LarrySteeze | are you using govnah? |
| 22:51.22 | ttownlarry | yes |
| 22:51.27 | LarrySteeze | ah...you're using your tp now aren't you |
| 22:51.37 | LarrySteeze | and the "to" and "gonna" are auto-correct |
| 22:51.39 | ttownlarry | yes |
| 22:51.47 | ttownlarry | lol |
| 22:51.48 | LarrySteeze | did you download a new kernel? |
| 22:51.49 | ttownlarry | yep |
| 22:52.23 | ttownlarry | I believe so I followed all steps at xda |
| 22:52.25 | Jack87 | did you choose a differnet profile? |
| 22:52.38 | Jack87 | xda? lol we dont support xda :) |
| 22:52.55 | LarrySteeze | o.O you're using xda? |
| 22:53.01 | LarrySteeze | isn't that word banned in here? ;-) |
| 22:53.05 | Jack87 | you would do yourself a favor to follow steps written by the authors |
| 22:53.21 | Jack87 | LarrySteeze, i dont think so.. it is banned at #novaports |
| 22:53.23 | ttownlarry | sounds good to me. |
| 22:53.25 | LarrySteeze | ttownlarry: which kernel did you download? |
| 22:53.36 | ttownlarry | eagle 15 |
| 22:53.39 | LarrySteeze | Jack87: I have never heard of that channel |
| 22:53.43 | ttownlarry | or something like that |
| 22:53.47 | Jack87 | LarrySteeze, what channel? |
| 22:53.51 | Jack87 | ;) |
| 22:53.53 | LarrySteeze | exactly o.o |
| 22:54.05 | LarrySteeze | Jack87: any specific reason you chose that kernel? |
| 22:54.09 | Jack87 | ttownlarry, make sure you select a different profile within govnah |
| 22:54.25 | Jack87 | LarrySteeze, not me.... :) |
| 22:54.29 | *** join/#webos-internals newbie|3 (~kvirc@5ad672b0.bb.sky.com) |
| 22:54.30 | ttownlarry | just overclock guide I was following |
| 22:54.45 | *** part/#webos-internals nohorse (~wircer@32.175.55.113) |
| 22:55.11 | Jack87 | ttownlarry, choose a different profile inside govnah |
| 22:55.12 | ttownlarry | if you could direct me to the proper guide I would be grateful- |
| 22:55.34 | Jack87 | is betting ttownlarry is using "Palm Default" profile |
| 22:55.59 | LarrySteeze | I imagine it's true Jack |
| 22:56.01 | LarrySteeze | but |
| 22:56.03 | ttownlarry | yes I am |
| 22:56.09 | LarrySteeze | I want to make sure this kernel is the best one for ttownlarry |
| 22:56.44 | LarrySteeze | ttownlarry: what are you trying to do with your kernel? |
| 22:56.51 | Jack87 | LarrySteeze, i would think its not as its an experimental kernel and he is a bit unsure of whats going on. I would recommended using uberkernel for him |
| 22:57.21 | ttownlarry | overclock to about 1.5 |
| 22:57.28 | ttownlarry | seems safe enough |
| 22:57.51 | *** part/#webos-internals luwangui (~mortani@130.225.165.42) |
| 22:57.54 | Jack87 | ttownlarry, ^ read my last message that was aimed at LarrySteeze ;-) |
| 22:58.02 | ttownlarry | unless 1.9 isokay |
| 22:58.06 | LarrySteeze | jack87: that's what I was getting at |
| 22:58.26 | ttownlarry | the only profile I |
| 22:58.34 | ttownlarry | see is Palm |
| 22:58.39 | Jack87 | LarrySteeze, sorrt for jumping the gun :-D |
| 22:59.24 | Jack87 | ttownlarry, you can either make a custom one. or.... uninstall that kernel. reboot. install uberkernel and reboot and use the preset profile for uberkernel |
| 22:59.54 | LarrySteeze | ttownlarry: I recommend uninstalling your kernel, rebooting, and installing uberkernel |
| 23:00.08 | ttownlarry | uninstall which kernal |
| 23:00.18 | LarrySteeze | then after it's installed and rebooted again, select ondemandtcl |
| 23:00.26 | Jack87 | does a palm to face |
| 23:01.02 | LarrySteeze | uninstall eagle15 |
| 23:01.21 | ttownlarry | ok will do. Thanks folks |
| 23:01.30 | LarrySteeze | do you know how to uninstall programs from within preware? |
| 23:02.09 | ttownlarry | yes...I saw an option for "remove |
| 23:02.49 | LarrySteeze | perfect |
| 23:02.56 | Jack87 | ttownlarry, be sure to reboot after you remove |
| 23:03.04 | Jack87 | and then install uberkernel and reboot again |
| 23:03.17 | ttownlarry | coming from android and the other site what is the best site to learn more about my HP TP? |
| 23:03.20 | LarrySteeve | err |
| 23:03.23 | Jack87 | after that you will see a preset profile for uberkernel |
| 23:03.35 | ttownlarry | perfect will do. |
| 23:03.44 | LarrySteeze | ttownlarry: http://www.webos-internals.org/ |
| 23:04.01 | LarrySteeze | ttownlarry: how much experience do you have in building kernels? any? |
| 23:04.23 | Jack87 | ttownlarry, there is no best site.. but i would recommended webos-internals.org as thats where most of the homebrew is from. precentral.net is a nice place to browse around to |
| 23:04.54 | ttownlarry | building none. |
| 23:05.18 | ttownlarry | just nodding etc |
| 23:05.29 | ttownlarry | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.36 | ttownlarry | modding |
| 23:05.51 | ttownlarry | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.52 | LarrySteeze | no problem |
| 23:06.00 | Jack87 | ttownlarry, good luck enjoy |
| 23:06.13 | ttownlarry | will do best to all of you |
| 23:06.19 | Jack87 | ttownlarry, one more tip.. turning off auto correct is helpful :) |
| 23:06.34 | LarrySteeze | actually |
| 23:06.41 | LarrySteeze | I'd recommend just modifying your library |
| 23:06.44 | ttownlarry | oh kewl...did not know that |
| 23:07.04 | LarrySteeze | I modify it each time it screws me up :P |
| 23:07.13 | ttownlarry | lol |
| 23:08.26 | Jack87 | should get into the habit of modifying the dictionary |
| 23:10.34 | haydnh | can't be bothered to think tonight |
| 23:16.21 | haydnh | God I hate the TP sellers on e-bay! |
| 23:16.56 | newbie|3 | hey guys anyone here know about impostah or using luna://com.palm.db/get commands on the smsmessaging database? |
| 23:19.14 | haydnh | Offered £275 for a 32GB TP + touchstone and case and the guy refused... that's still a good profit :( |
| 23:19.59 | haydnh | He counter offered £300... too much? Or should I just finally buy the damn thing? |
| 23:23.35 | *** join/#webos-internals PatrickC_TP (~Patrick_C@unaffiliated/patrick-c/x-9440769) |
| 23:27.25 | haydnh | Ugh... can't decide whether to buy this TP or not... |
| 23:32.55 | PatrickC_TP | how much is it? |
| 23:34.00 | haydnh | £300 delivered for 32GB + touchstone + case |
| 23:34.11 | haydnh | oh and screen protectors that I'll bin |
| 23:34.12 | PatrickC_TP | is in the US.. so.. |
| 23:34.23 | PatrickC_TP | lemme look to see the equivalent |
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| 23:34.36 | haydnh | like $480 |
| 23:35.05 | PatrickC_TP | umm... thats a little much imo.. but I don't live there.. |
| 23:35.19 | PatrickC_TP | here in the US you can get them (when in stock) for $149 |
| 23:36.20 | Loudergood | ebay... |
| 23:36.49 | haydnh | 0.621 USD = 1 GBP as of 23:36:22 according to work |
| 23:36.56 | haydnh | GMT |
| 23:37.20 | LarrySteeze | so...if I have £300 and walk into a bank |
| 23:37.29 | LarrySteeze | will they give me 300 pounds of sterling? |
| 23:38.01 | haydnh | yeah this is ebay, the 32GB was £115 new, touchstone about £65, case £45 from Palm eurostore |
| 23:38.36 | Loudergood | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-Edition-Drawing-HP-Touchpad-16GB-Red-/130571115811?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item1e66a51d23 |
| 23:39.17 | haydnh | $20?? that's cheap! Try this that I saw on craigslist: http://london.craigslist.co.uk/sys/2576532604.html |
| 23:39.23 | haydnh | £130 for a photo... errr... |
| 23:40.14 | PatrickC_TP | lol |
| 23:41.02 | haydnh | Actually, Palm eurostore prices = £225, so £75 for delivery and e-bay inflation isn't too bad I suppose... |
| 23:42.55 | dwc- | london, paris, close, right? |
| 23:42.58 | dwc- | just have to take the train |
| 23:45.52 | *** join/#webos-internals lee (~lee@loathe.ms) |
| 23:45.58 | haydnh | Yeah, pretty close |
| 23:47.10 | haydnh | Only takes 35 minutes on the train from London to Paris... it takes me longer to drive to the other side of London with my car! |
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| 23:47.29 | lee | probably costs a lot more though =) |
| 23:47.49 | haydnh | Doubt it, UK fuel prices are extornionate and I only get 20mpg |
| 23:48.03 | dwc- | 35 minutes? really? wow |
| 23:48.14 | dwc- | how much is a roundtrip? |
| 23:48.26 | lee | around £170 last I looked |
| 23:48.36 | dwc- | lee: petrol in the UK is ~$8 USD / US gallon |
| 23:49.12 | PatrickC_TP | wow. here its like $2.50 UDS/US gallon |
| 23:49.24 | dwc- | 2.50? really? |
| 23:49.33 | PatrickC_TP | wait.., no... 3.5o |
| 23:49.37 | haydnh | £22 each way for overnight, £58 each way for any duration |
| 23:49.38 | dwc- | pays ~4 for premium (so ~3.80 for regular) |
| 23:49.47 | PatrickC_TP | wrong key haha |
| 23:49.54 | haydnh | per car that is |
| 23:49.55 | lee | well, I know it's about £1.20/litre, dunno about those weirdo measurements =) |
| 23:50.04 | PatrickC_TP | lee: haha |
| 23:50.39 | PatrickC_TP | knows his weirdo measurements better then your even more weirdo measurements :) |
| 23:51.04 | dwc- | hmm, £170... how much is it on ryanair to fly |
| 23:51.15 | dwc- | probably less, right? |
| 23:51.16 | haydnh | Tax makes up about 80% of the UK petrol price... insane! |
| 23:51.45 | lee | probably, but you'd have to loosen your definition of 'paris', I suspect |
| 23:51.48 | haydnh | Maybe I should create a find your cheapest petrol station app. :) |
| 23:53.31 | dwc- | hm, it's going to cost me $900 USD to fly to the UK |
| 23:53.58 | dwc- | but it'd cost me another 272ish to train to paris |
| 23:54.34 | haydnh | dwc, with a car it's £58 each way London -> Paris for any duration |
| 23:54.47 | haydnh | http://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/tickets/ |
| 23:55.09 | lee | dwc-: check flying to paris, then going onto the UK |
| 23:59.02 | PatrickC_TP | who in here uses the default text editor in ubuntu? I'm wondering if its better then Sublime Text 2? |
| 23:59.23 | dwc- | ~1k |
