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| 00:05.05 | siestacat | did psx4pre or vboy advance ever get released/updated for the touchpad? |
| 00:05.13 | siestacat | looking for some decent emus |
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| 00:10.49 | Dr_Drache | hey guys |
| 00:11.40 | Dr_Drache | where can i get the preware 1.8.3 ipk? |
| 00:12.50 | rwhitby | in the old testing feed and the new beta feed |
| 00:13.29 | Dr_Drache | right |
| 00:13.39 | Dr_Drache | but following the directions/// |
| 00:13.47 | Dr_Drache | your supposed to remove it. |
| 00:13.51 | Dr_Drache | then install the new one. |
| 00:14.07 | Dr_Drache | i must have missed the part where you GET the new one |
| 00:14.13 | rwhitby | Dr_Drache: where do the instructions say to remove the old feeds? |
| 00:14.31 | Dr_Drache | To enable the beta testing feeds, you must do the following: |
| 00:14.32 | Dr_Drache | 1. Uninstall Preware. Yes, seriously. You must uninstall Preware. |
| 00:14.45 | Dr_Drache | then |
| 00:14.45 | Dr_Drache | 3. Install Preware 1.8.3 or later. |
| 00:15.06 | rwhitby | yep, install any Preware then update |
| 00:15.19 | rwhitby | your old testing feeds should still be in place until you update |
| 00:15.36 | rwhitby | once the beta testing of the transition is complete, 1.8.3 will be in the public feeds |
| 00:16.27 | Dr_Drache | .....ok makes no sense. but got it |
| 00:23.01 | tmzt | rwhitby: are these catalog breaks real? |
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| 00:30.06 | SonnyDickson | Hello Guys |
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| 00:55.04 | SonnyDickson | Sorry ask but can i get some help with Meta-doctor |
| 00:56.13 | Tibfib_ | ~asktoask |
| 00:56.13 | infobot | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 00:56.17 | Tibfib_ | ~ask |
| 00:56.17 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 00:56.26 | Tibfib_ | Hmm, neither fit perfectly |
| 00:56.37 | Tibfib_ | the second is a little more appropriate. |
| 00:57.17 | SonnyDickson | Once i have got meta-doctor install on my Mac, How do i EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE |
| 00:57.19 | SonnyDickson | Sorry to ask |
| 00:57.27 | SonnyDickson | I'm in Terminal |
| 00:57.31 | SonnyDickson | iMac:downloads Sonny$ |
| 00:57.58 | Loudergood | I suggest you read the wiki article, twice. |
| 00:58.06 | SonnyDickson | I have like 4 links open for it |
| 00:58.07 | Loudergood | I missed things the first time myself. |
| 00:58.13 | SonnyDickson | I'm up to this bit |
| 00:58.13 | SonnyDickson | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Chrooting |
| 00:58.25 | Loudergood | the meta doctor one |
| 00:58.40 | SonnyDickson | Yeah, So i can install ubuntu |
| 00:59.16 | SonnyDickson | I'm up to Step 2: Running the webOS Doctor |
| 01:00.06 | SonnyDickson | I have the webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi.jar |
| 01:11.50 | tmzt | rwhitby: people are saying this is 404ing http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 |
| 01:11.57 | tmzt | I'm sure I used that to download |
| 01:12.23 | rwhitby | yep, 404's here too |
| 01:12.41 | rwhitby | need to find another mirror. have Mentor fixed theirs yet? |
| 01:12.53 | tmzt | I though this was your site |
| 01:13.00 | tmzt | I"ll check |
| 01:13.25 | tmzt | do you have the q3 link |
| 01:14.08 | tmzt | it's fixed on their site |
| 01:14.14 | tmzt | I'll change my wiki |
| 01:15.02 | rwhitby | tmzt: what are the working mentor links? |
| 01:15.52 | tmzt | https://sourcery.mentor.com/public/gnu_toolchain/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 |
| 01:15.55 | tmzt | looks like public works |
| 01:15.59 | tmzt | but they moved it to http |
| 01:16.01 | tmzt | https |
| 01:16.57 | tmzt | I'm loving github wiki by the way |
| 01:17.04 | tmzt | I hate editing pages in a browser |
| 01:17.20 | tmzt | this one let's you edit offline and git push it |
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| 01:38.20 | jtrucks | I tried the new preware testing feed approach with 1.8.3. I followed instructions: remove preware, touch the beta feed file, insteall preware (I downloaded the ipk and used webosqi to load 1.8.3)then enabled the feeds and even restarted. Now I see no available packages at all. Am I missing something? |
| 01:39.28 | rwhitby | jtrucks: did you update feeds? |
| 01:39.54 | rwhitby | jtrucks: and do you have a working network connection? |
| 01:41.55 | Loudergood | hmm...the instructions on the Testing_Feeds article conflict with the license do they not? |
| 01:42.16 | jtrucks | rwhitby: yes, I updated feeds and the network definately is working. |
| 01:42.17 | rwhitby | Loudergood: serious question or being a smartass? |
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| 01:42.38 | Loudergood | no, it's a serious question. |
| 01:43.25 | rwhitby | Loudergood: tell me how to change the mediawiki license footer on a per-page basis and i'll fix it |
| 01:43.37 | Loudergood | understandable |
| 01:43.45 | jtrucks | so, here's the strange thing. I had to walk away fron the tablet for a couple hours, and I just reopened preware and this time it updated the feeds. 'll blame it on network glitch and apologize for taking time in here. |
| 01:44.00 | rwhitby | jtrucks: no worries. everything else working? |
| 01:44.39 | rwhitby | Loudergood: and if anyone seriously does take issue with the conditions on that page, we'll just close the testing feeds altogether :) |
| 01:44.42 | jtrucks | rwhitby: it seems to be so far. |
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| 01:47.36 | jtrucks | does the *.23 version of the Muffle System Logging patch fix the cache file problem? |
| 01:47.58 | jtrucks | if so, can just update a (.22 system to the .23 and not worry about it breaking? |
| 01:51.36 | jtrucks | rwhitby: if I want to enable the alpha feeds, do I touch the file and re-install preware or is there a way to do that without a full reinstall of preware? |
| 01:56.46 | rwhitby | jtrucks: should have touched it first before reinstalling :) And your question is answered in the Q&A section. |
| 01:57.20 | rwhitby | jtrucks: the .23 version does not cause the cache file problem. use EFW to fix the problem if you already have it. |
| 01:59.36 | jtrucks | rwhitby: I know I should have touched it first... I was troubleshooting earlier to figure out why it wouldn't update and removed both files and just did the beta one for testing.. oh well. |
| 01:59.56 | jtrucks | I wrote a script to fix the cache stuff I just run when have a problem. |
| 02:00.31 | rwhitby | jtrucks: why are you using the alpha feeds? |
| 02:01.29 | jtrucks | rwhitby: I don't know what is in them, and I don't mind pushing the envelope, so I want to see my options :) |
| 02:01.42 | jtrucks | the beta feeds have very little (that I don't already have installed) |
| 02:02.43 | jtrucks | this is my primary computer outside work. |
| 02:02.54 | jtrucks | so I want to push it and see what I can get it to do :) |
| 02:03.17 | jtrucks | I wish I wasn't a horrid or useless programmer, or I'd help with the code. |
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| 02:07.24 | jtrucks | does anyone know where the messages/IM conversation transcripts are stored on the drive? |
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| 02:16.24 | Loudergood | 100% on phone upgrade from testing to beta feeds was successful |
| 02:24.23 | rwhitby | jtrucks: you realise that an alpha feed package will likely cause your device to require doctoring at any time, right? |
| 02:24.50 | rwhitby | (of course you do, you've read testing.preware.org carefully) |
| 02:26.41 | jtrucks | rwhitby: oh yeah. :) |
| 02:34.42 | jtrucks | now to find those chat transcripts... |
| 02:35.11 | jtrucks | hmm... can only run one xserver at a time, right? |
| 02:35.21 | jtrucks | is there a way to switch between xterms? |
| 02:35.25 | jtrucks | or not yet? |
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| 02:38.25 | rwhitby | Impostah will show you the IM databases |
| 02:38.48 | rwhitby | someone is working on multi-server support in Xecutah |
| 02:39.12 | jtrucks | oh, cool, I didn't realize that's what Impostah was for. thanks! |
| 02:39.27 | rwhitby | Impostah does lots of things. |
| 02:40.06 | jtrucks | there are sooo many options now in the homebrew feeds. |
| 02:40.07 | jtrucks | :) |
| 02:41.46 | jtrucks | oh. this is a nice application. |
| 02:49.16 | jtrucks | has anyone gotten CTRL-[ to work for escape in xterm? it seems to ignore me here ... :( |
| 02:49.35 | jtrucks | hmm... |
| 02:49.42 | jtrucks | has an idea and goes to check stuff |
| 02:51.14 | jtrucks | nope. I was wrong. |
| 02:51.47 | jtrucks | so it sorta works, but something else doesn't work right... what's the best way to produce debugging information to submit for situations like this? |
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| 02:54.30 | drobbins | hrm, having an issue with xecutah where keyboard in xterm is dying |
| 02:54.33 | drobbins | and this is with the HP keyboard |
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| 02:56.17 | jtrucks | so, CTRL-SHIFT-{ acts as escape, but then CTRL or SHIFT gets stuck on it seems... |
| 02:58.19 | fudge_i3 | hi all |
| 02:58.22 | drobbins | any way to fix it? |
| 02:58.30 | drobbins | or undo the damage so I don't need to restart it |
| 02:58.46 | drobbins | oh, ctrl-shift-{ fixed it |
| 02:58.50 | drobbins | yay |
| 03:07.49 | jtrucks | yeah, so need to use shift with ctrl key on occasion it seems. |
| 03:07.56 | jtrucks | how odd.. but I'll take a workaround for now :) |
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| 04:41.09 | bnceo | gotta love that AT&T Pre3 going for $620 easy |
| 04:41.15 | bnceo | and with 4 days left! |
| 04:57.51 | bnceo | Are webOS Internals buying Pre3s from the web or getting them from sites like carwarehouse or what not |
| 04:58.43 | oil | i think the majority are from countries where they were actually sold |
| 04:59.51 | PatrickC | can you install a package from novacom? |
| 05:00.38 | PatrickC | novaterm* |
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| 05:39.20 | Jack87 | where are all these people getting their hands on the white tp from? |
| 05:39.32 | tmzt | does precomd work at all? |
| 05:39.33 | Jack87 | i wish there was a 64gig black. |
| 05:39.43 | tmzt | is there a client |
| 05:39.58 | RagingMind | Jack87, I heard of someone ordering one right at the time the big cancellation happened and it actually got delivered |
| 05:40.34 | Jack87 | RagingMind, any idea of what the discounted price for it was? |
| 05:40.53 | Xuzz | does anyone want an AZERTY pre3 for $350 (incl. shipping)? think i might have found a way to get a QWERTY one but want to see if i can sell the AZERTY one on its way to me first :\ |
| 05:41.33 | Jack87 | do all white ones have a 3g/4g radio? |
| 05:41.50 | RagingMind | Jack87, they may have ordered it before the news broke so it was probably full price, I didn't follow up to see if there was ever a discount |
| 05:42.32 | Jack87 | what was the price anyway? $600? |
| 05:42.32 | RagingMind | I want a pre3 super bad... but it'll have to wait till I'm less poor |
| 05:44.26 | Jack87 | RagingMind, im in the same boat |
| 05:44.53 | Jack87 | also... i cant really use it as a phone as i am not willing to leave sprint. as much as i love webos.. ill live with a pre2 for now |
| 05:45.16 | RagingMind | I really couldn't afford the TP even at $99, but I'm kinda sorta making that work... |
| 05:45.46 | Jack87 | RagingMind, sucks being poor. oneday i strive to be rich :) |
| 05:46.37 | RagingMind | with the recent changes to Verizon stores (the lack of the reps ability to really help me with anything other than purchasing a phone) and lack of a good webOS upgrade option... I have a feeling come April I"ll be switching to ATT |
| 05:47.25 | RagingMind | they couldn't even switch my BF's phone! they pointed me to the kiosk in the corner and asked if I knew the password to my online account |
| 05:48.42 | Jack87 | so... i think touch to share works via the hardware telling it to send the data via bt |
| 05:49.00 | Jack87 | the hardware in the devices that support tts is only a triger the rest done via bluetooth |
| 05:49.08 | Jack87 | at least that is what im thinking |
| 05:49.10 | RagingMind | I know you have to have the same palm account on both devices |
| 05:49.31 | Jack87 | RagingMind, nah you dont... i have two different palm accounts on two different touchpads and they tts |
| 05:49.34 | RagingMind | well... does touch to share work without bluetooth pairing? |
| 05:49.47 | Jack87 | RagingMind, nope it requires bluetooth pairing |
| 05:49.59 | RagingMind | between touchpads too? |
| 05:50.01 | Jack87 | and it trigers you to turn bluetooth on on the devices than they get instantly paired |
| 05:50.09 | Jack87 | yup |
| 05:50.12 | Jack87 | so..... |
| 05:50.16 | Jack87 | i was thinking... lol |
| 05:50.22 | RagingMind | we tried between my TP and my BF's and nothing ever happened |
| 05:50.43 | Jack87 | there has to be a way to manually trigger the "reciving" device and the "sending" device.. actually they recive/send at same time |
| 05:51.05 | RagingMind | does it matter if one is in card mode? |
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| 05:51.34 | Jack87 | like i had a browser open in each... when i touched the two touchpads together a new card opened in each one with the subsequent browser's website |
| 05:52.06 | Jack87 | so there has to be some way to manually triger touch to share.. and it be sweet to throw it into the system menu drop down list |
| 05:52.18 | Jack87 | RagingMind, no as long as one of them has an active card |
| 05:52.29 | Jack87 | even if it doesnt do anything it will show you the ripple effect |
| 05:52.45 | Jack87 | so maybe you just didnt quit align the two TPs right |
| 05:54.38 | Jack87 | ka6sox, ^ i am kind of talking out of my ass "in theory" but what do you think... sound maybe doable? |
| 05:54.40 | RagingMind | you're right... all I had to do was turn on BT on his TP and poof! it works |
| 05:54.50 | Jack87 | RagingMind, kind of cool huh |
| 05:55.19 | RagingMind | that'll make things a lot easier... we kept having to sign on to IM to share links |
| 05:55.33 | Jack87 | lol |
| 05:55.38 | ka6sox | fun stuff |
| 05:55.43 | Jack87 | im glad to see it being utilized |
| 05:56.25 | Jack87 | ka6sox, ya do you think it would be possible to triger the touch to share request without the coil? seems like all the data is transfered via BT has nothing to do with the coil. |
| 05:56.43 | Jack87 | coil just triggers it? (thats me just speculating i dont know for a fact but thats what it seems like to me |
| 05:57.14 | Jack87 | but if it can be manually tirggered it also means you dont need to physically touch the devices together either |
| 05:57.28 | ka6sox | if the hardware isn't there...it isn't going to happen. |
| 05:58.17 | Jack87 | ka6sox, are you sure? it seems like it only uses BT... the hardware (coil for tts) just seems to be a tirgger mechenism |
| 05:58.55 | ka6sox | so you are saying "manually trigger |
| 05:58.58 | ka6sox | interesting |
| 05:58.59 | RagingMind | which kinda makes sense. why design a coil to transmit info when you already have ways to do that? |
| 05:59.06 | Jack87 | ka6sox, exactly. |
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| 05:59.27 | RagingMind | instead the coil would just do something that bluetooth can't to reliably... detect very close proximity |
| 05:59.32 | Jack87 | RagingMind, yup... and as you can see the info is all being transmited via bluetooth |
| 05:59.37 | ka6sox | Jack87, you would have to find the trigger |
| 06:00.21 | Jack87 | ka6sox, hehe yes. i need to find someone who is willing to help me because i have no idea what i would be doing. but i can just imagine adding a system menu option to triger tts |
| 06:00.32 | Jack87 | ya know.. as a patch |
| 06:01.07 | RagingMind | then sharing links across the living room... no need to get up :) |
| 06:01.18 | Jack87 | RagingMind, hehe yup! |
| 06:01.23 | Jack87 | also sharing via pre2 |
| 06:01.43 | RagingMind | only if you get a version of webos that supports it running reliably on a pre2 |
| 06:03.23 | Jack87 | RagingMind, yes.. they did promise for future webos updates for pre2 so im keeping my fingers crossed |
| 06:05.42 | rwhitby-tp | coil transmits authentication info to allow bluetooth connection |
| 06:13.48 | Jack87 | rwhitby-tp, can we manually do that? |
| 06:14.08 | Jack87 | once the devices are manually paired... wouldnt it be all set/ |
| 06:14.51 | rwhitby-tp | possibly. watch ls-monitor during a tts event and try to replicate it with luna-send |
| 06:15.59 | Jack87 | ^ like i said i dont have the experties to do this my self. ill need someone to point me on how to use ls-monitor |
| 06:16.36 | ka6sox | ls-monitor | grep for the thing you want |
| 06:16.49 | Jack87 | rwhitby-tp, seriusly it all seems like everything is done via software. all the coil does is triger the events that take place (all speculation from my observation) so if we can replicate whatever "triger" the coil uses we should be golden |
| 06:17.27 | ka6sox | if its the BT id info of the opposite unit then it could get challenging |
| 06:18.00 | Jack87 | ka6sox, but you can always manually pair the other unit (my pre2 is already paired with touchpad) |
| 06:18.50 | Jack87 | ka6sox, TTS reduces the work it takes into pairing. it pops open the BT menue for you :)... |
| 06:19.09 | ka6sox | kk |
| 06:19.10 | Jack87 | ahh shit my other TP is in the car. whcih is too far to go get |
| 06:19.25 | Jack87 | i was about to grep |
| 06:19.51 | ka6sox | okay, tommorrow |
| 06:20.00 | Jack87 | uh huh! |
| 06:20.18 | Jack87 | haha i better get to homework. i just wanted to dump my thoughts out here |
| 06:20.42 | Jack87 | sometimes shit gets lost in my mind in the deep corners |
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| 07:06.42 | jaba__ | hello |
| 07:06.48 | SonnyDickson | Hi |
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| 07:27.26 | dtzWill | ~~ |
| 07:28.02 | dtzWill | could've sworn infobot responded to that |
| 07:28.03 | dtzWill | ~~~ |
| 07:28.06 | dtzWill | ~infobot |
| 07:28.07 | infobot | i heard infobot is a her! |
| 07:28.37 | dwc- | ~~? |
| 07:28.48 | dwc- | ~? |
| 07:29.00 | dtzWill | oh honestly i just thought infobot got grumpy if you did ~~ |
| 07:29.02 | dtzWill | lol |
| 07:29.04 | dtzWill | ~beer |
| 07:29.04 | infobot | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 07:29.10 | dwc- | infobot: ~~ |
| 07:29.20 | dwc- | ~. |
| 07:29.20 | infobot | methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. |
| 07:29.28 | dtzWill | haha |
| 07:29.29 | dwc- | whistles |
| 07:29.35 | dtzWill | ~~~~ |
| 07:29.36 | infobot | ARGH!!! STOP IT dtzwill!!! |
| 07:29.38 | dtzWill | xD |
| 07:29.40 | dtzWill | there it goes |
| 07:29.46 | dwc- | nice |
| 07:29.48 | dtzWill | ~botsnack |
| 07:29.48 | infobot | thanks, dtzWill |
| 07:30.21 | tmzt | dtzWill: know anything about building a menu out of setpos and clear? |
| 07:31.57 | dtzWill | hmm, that curses stuff? done stuff with that before, but not lately and was for a one-off project. so the common documentation would probably be as helpful as i would be, i'm afraid. |
| 07:32.25 | dtzWill | so "no" i guess :/ |
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| 07:38.07 | tmzt | ah ,ok |
| 07:38.16 | tmzt | yes curses but thankfully without curses |
| 07:38.28 | tmzt | just a few convience functions talking to our putc driver |
| 07:44.46 | klausa | dtzWill: I was hoping you could maybe point me in the right direction for getting UTF-8 working in XTerm |
| 07:48.39 | tmzt | xterm is nothing special right? |
| 07:48.43 | tmzt | just use uxterm? |
| 07:57.43 | dwc- | uxterm is just an xterm wrapper |
| 08:08.02 | tmzt | ah, ok |
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| 09:03.35 | Jack87 | lalala |
| 09:20.31 | hucksy|tp | lololo |
| 09:33.47 | SonnyDickson | Anyone want to trade a iPhone 2G for a Veer 4G |
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| 09:58.21 | cryptk | ~~~~ |
| 09:58.21 | infobot | ARGH!!! STOP IT cryptk!!! |
| 09:58.27 | cryptk | dtzWill, ^^^ |
| 09:58.32 | cryptk | gotta have 4 of them |
| 09:58.56 | cryptk | oh, you already figured it out... lol |
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| 10:55.49 | hucksy|tp | is there an easy way to get the app-ids on webos 3 without commandline? |
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| 11:03.51 | amish | Hi |
| 11:03.59 | amish | If I activate my Pre 3 in an unsupported country, will I get access to the App Catalog? |
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| 11:16.38 | amish | If I activate my Pre 3 in an unsupported country, will I get access to the App Catalog? |
| 11:16.49 | Habbie | no need to repeat so often, amish |
| 11:16.56 | amish | sorry |
| 11:17.22 | amish | I did it 12 minutes later though |
| 11:19.05 | amish | @habbie so you don't know? |
| 11:19.34 | klausa | I don't understand what you mean. |
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| 11:20.09 | amish | Say I activate my Pre 3 in a country that doesn't have an App Catolog, will I get access to the Catalog? |
| 11:20.21 | klausa | Free apps? |
| 11:20.22 | klausa | Yes. |
| 11:20.24 | klausa | Paid? |
| 11:20.29 | klausa | Depends where you live. |
| 11:20.33 | klausa | But probably no. |
| 11:21.40 | amish | Do I get to choose an country's app catalog, if one is not available in mine? |
| 11:21.46 | klausa | I believe so. |
| 11:22.00 | amish | If I choose US, do I need a US credit card? |
| 11:22.01 | klausa | During first boot/settig up webOS account I think. |
| 11:22.11 | klausa | US or Canadian or Mexican I think. |
| 11:22.18 | klausa | amish: Where do you live |
| 11:22.19 | klausa | ? |
| 11:22.24 | amish | Thailand |
| 11:22.32 | klausa | Ah. |
| 11:22.42 | klausa | Then you're shit out of luck with paid apps. |
| 11:22.42 | amish | One more thing, are the Pre 3s locked in anyway? |
| 11:23.29 | amish | If I get an unlocked UK one, do I need to activate it with a UK sim? |
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| 11:30.14 | amish | Are there any App Catalogue that allows other credit cards? |
| 11:32.55 | hucksy|tp | yes, you need to activate the device in UK then and nope, there is only one app catalog with paid apps - the official hp app catalog |
| 11:33.54 | amish | There is no way to activate outside the UK? Even if the Pre 3 is unlocked? |
| 11:34.56 | zomg | amish: did you make the mistake of unlocking your phone outside an "official" country? :P |
| 11:34.59 | zomg | (like I did) |
| 11:35.16 | amish | not yet |
| 11:35.19 | zomg | Well, it works but no paid apps |
| 11:35.32 | pcworld | hucksy|tp: I'm currently overworking the German testing feeds article, so would be nice if you didn't make any changes till I'm ready to avoid editing conflicts ;) |
| 11:35.38 | amish | Do I need a UK sim to activate? |
| 11:35.40 | klausa | He won't have paid apps anyway. |
| 11:35.48 | zomg | Oh and at least mine tells me I'm roaming even though I'm on my own operator's network |
| 11:35.55 | zomg | amish: no, not unless you want the paid apps and stuff |
| 11:36.22 | klausa | amish: Unless you have US/European CC. |
| 11:36.23 | hucksy|tp | pcworld: yep no problem :) |
| 11:36.28 | klausa | Which I think you don't? |
| 11:36.45 | amish | nope |
| 11:36.53 | klausa | Yeah. |
| 11:36.56 | amish | So I can activate anywhere but I won't get paid apps |
| 11:37.03 | klausa | Then unless you can get one, no paid apps anyway. |
| 11:37.32 | amish | That last message was confusing |
| 11:38.22 | amish | there is free apps everywhere, right? |
| 11:38.27 | amish | are* |
| 11:39.04 | klausa | Yup. |
| 11:39.12 | klausa | At least that how it works on my Touchpad. |
| 11:39.45 | amish | Why does HP have to make it soo hard.. |
| 11:40.41 | amish | Can I activate it without creating a Palm Profile? |
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| 11:40.51 | zomg | Free apps can be country limited as well though |
| 11:41.13 | zomg | Some of them don't show up in the app catalog for me, but they can be installed via Impostah |
| 11:41.36 | amish | Say if my friend puts in an at t sim in the US and activates it there, can I make a profile later outside of the US? |
| 11:44.58 | amish | What credit cards does the Singapore App Catalog allow? |
| 11:45.19 | amish | are there any App Catalogs that allow card other than their own? |
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| 12:12.48 | pcworld | hucksy|tp: just fyi, I'm done with editing the German testing feeds article |
| 12:13.58 | hucksy|tp | k, tnx |
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| 12:45.41 | DMeister-IT | Hi, you are planning something for the development of a virtual keyboard in webOS 2.x? |
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| 13:25.35 | luwangui | does anyone know where i can find the google maps application on the pre 2 file system? |
| 13:29.09 | pcworld | luwangui: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.maps |
| 13:35.29 | luwangui | yeah i just found it |
| 13:35.37 | luwangui | won't work on the pre 3 tho :/ |
| 13:35.45 | luwangui | tried packing it as an ipk |
| 13:37.45 | pcworld | what exactly doesn' work? |
| 13:37.59 | luwangui | can't find the app |
| 13:43.55 | pcworld | has the Enyo app the same app id or why? |
| 13:46.24 | luwangui | ehm i'm not sure |
| 13:46.40 | luwangui | i'm trying to get the old google maps to work on the pre 3 |
| 13:58.38 | RagingMind | luwangui, how did you package it as an ipk? |
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| 15:19.11 | red__ | hi,I'm having trouble locating ubuntuchroot in preware,it doesn't seem to be there...anyone got any idea as to how I can get it? |
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| 16:56.17 | lordbah | Preware on TouchPad hold-to-copy doesn't work. Bug or feature request? |
| 17:00.27 | klausa | Last 5+h on battery5 |
| 17:00.29 | klausa | er |
| 17:00.30 | klausa | sorry. |
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| 17:21.28 | happyid | hi need help with preware cannot install advance reset option |
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| 18:37.16 | lordbah | Preware on TouchPad hold-to-copy doesn't work. Bug or feature request? |
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| 18:51.23 | RagingMind | lordbah, no need to repeat. pretty much everyone that hangs around in here will read through the backlogs |
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| 19:27.23 | ghostinator | Working on benchmarking all the kernels again but with lithium benchmark :D |
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| 20:04.35 | Xuzz | hold-to-copy as in..? |
| 20:04.40 | Xuzz | (what text are you copying? |
| 20:04.41 | Xuzz | ) |
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| 20:12.12 | jcsullins | anyone know how to get a touchpad out of DFU mode? |
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| 20:20.21 | ghostinator | DFU.. lol.. Hold power and the home button for 30 seconds, should force it to reboot |
| 20:20.38 | ghostinator | looks like it but my pc woulnd't even recognize it when it did that |
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| 20:24.07 | jcsullins | power-home gets it out of RECOVERY mode, not DFU mode apparently |
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| 20:29.00 | ghostinator | Are you talking about when it has the usb icon the screen? |
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| 20:36.02 | jcsullins | no, no usb icon, prob. nobody here has been DFU mode, it's not recovery mode, not QDL, but DFU .. |
| 20:36.44 | ghostinator | Im only familar with DFU mode on my ipod touch, never heard of it being referenced in that way for webOS devices |
| 20:36.45 | halfhalo | try to novaterm in, then just type reboot |
| 21:05.02 | robobot[0] | cheap accessories at shopping.hp using coupon SAVE30HP |
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| 21:18.16 | Xuzz | robobot[0]: only on $150 of stuff, though :( |
| 21:18.21 | Xuzz | no touchstone for me! |
| 21:19.13 | robobot[0] | it works if the pre-discount total is $150 i think |
| 21:21.23 | Xuzz | yeah |
| 21:21.33 | Xuzz | but i only wanted $50 of a touchstone :p |
| 21:22.09 | Xuzz | although this is good enough: http://www.macconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=13006321&cm_mmc=Base-_-13006321-_-New-_-SN-135&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=13006321 |
| 21:22.42 | Xuzz | or, not, because they don't seem to actually have any. :( |
| 21:23.01 | ghostinator | i bought a touchstone on amazon yesterday for $48 i think |
| 21:23.36 | rwhitby | wonders why nobody pointed amish to Impostah for activating outside an official country, and to usunlocked.com for a credit card to purchase apps ... |
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| 21:28.35 | fudge_i3 | hi |
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| 21:38.35 | Abyssul-TP | Yo |
| 21:39.45 | fudge_i3 | whats up |
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| 21:49.52 | dwc- | rwhitby: probably for the same reason you didn't. nobody who was active knew? |
| 22:00.32 | rwhitby | dwc-: guess I need to sack my PR manager for Impostah then ;) |
| 22:02.59 | Abyssul-TP | Eh? |
| 22:03.20 | dwc- | maybe you can hire clippy... I hear he still hasnt' gotten a new job since microsoft canned him |
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| 22:14.21 | ghostinator | Looks like Warthog has the fastest performing kernel @ 1.728GHz, 1.512GHz |
| 22:15.03 | ghostinator | or excuse me.. Codecrumb's warthog kernel.. :) |
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| 22:29.48 | jamesb2147_ | helloo |
| 22:30.43 | jamesb2147_ | any devs familiar with the linuxy side of webos on here..? i want to know about installing apps to teh root |
| 22:32.04 | rwhitby | jamesb2147_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels |
| 22:32.42 | RagingMind | there are definitely some bugs in 3.0.2 *sigh* |
| 22:33.41 | d0ida | hi, what bugs are you seeing? |
| 22:34.50 | RagingMind | I missed... my complaint wound up in #webos-internals and the description wound up in #webos. oops |
| 22:34.59 | RagingMind | Just Type eats URLs |
| 22:35.25 | d0ida | oh, I've noticed that my touchpad is a little less responsive, but I wondered if it was software I added. |
| 22:41.05 | jamesb2147_ | rwhitby: we talking about the same thing? skimming that link i don't see anything immediately relevant to installing an app in the root on a 2.1.0 device... :( do i just need to keep reading? |
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| 22:42.50 | RagingMind | jamesb2147_, what kind of app? this something you already have building and packaged? |
| 22:43.30 | jamesb2147_ | alright, i don't want to get anyone upset, but i'm trying to get minidm up and working. /me runs for cover |
| 22:44.25 | RagingMind | a google search just shows a bunch of stuff about internet explorer |
| 22:49.54 | jamesb2147_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/MiniDM |
| 22:51.01 | RagingMind | AH |
| 22:51.24 | RagingMind | copy the file to the device, make / rw, and use ipkg |
| 22:52.03 | RagingMind | *make root file system rewritable |
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| 22:54.39 | Davide-NYC | Does anyone have any idea if that rumor of 50k ATT Pre3s is legitimate? |
| 22:55.24 | Davide-NYC | We're seeing some ATT compatible Pre3s appearing on eBay at over $600. A bit steep for me but I really want one. |
| 22:56.29 | jamesb2147_ | http://s1108.photobucket.com/albums/h419/jamesb2147/?action=view¤t=webos.png |
| 22:56.58 | jamesb2147_ | basically i've been trying to use ipkg to install it all afternoon |
| 22:58.00 | jamesb2147_ | it keeps saying "cannot find package [insert name of minidm package here]" |
| 22:58.41 | RagingMind | jamesb2147_, 1m |
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| 22:59.36 | jamesb2147_ | of course :) i've gotta bail anyway. even robots need food! |
| 22:59.50 | jamesb2147_ | i'll leave myself on and check in when i get back |
| 23:01.33 | rwhitby | jamesb2147_: leave off the -o for install to roo |
| 23:01.34 | rwhitby | t |
| 23:01.41 | rwhitby | and leave off the -dest always |
| 23:10.56 | tmzt | geist: you around? we found another weird thing in bootie, dfu mode |
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| 23:16.35 | geist | hmm, what is it? |
| 23:16.45 | geist | i doubt i know, dfu on msm cpus is different |
| 23:18.59 | tmzt | http://pastebin.com/MyWHf4Wc |
| 23:19.26 | geist | oh, that's just DFU |
| 23:19.36 | tmzt | we're in #msm-bootloader working on a lk-based bootloader |
| 23:19.37 | geist | that's a standard protocol, you should be able to find any number of dfu loaders on the net |
| 23:19.44 | tmzt | it's not working |
| 23:19.51 | tmzt | the dfutool from openembedded |
| 23:20.05 | geist | yeah, we used to use that inside, though i had just added dfu support to cpuboot |
| 23:20.28 | tmzt | jcsullins: you here? |
| 23:20.41 | jcsullins | yeah |
| 23:20.45 | tmzt | in the opensource.palm.com version? |
| 23:20.52 | rwhitby | geist: apart from draining the battery, was there another way to reset the device from dfu mode without writing anything? |
| 23:20.54 | geist | well, i dont think it supported the full set of dfu, but just the simple jam it down and go |
| 23:21.05 | geist | rwhitby: 100% device specific |
| 23:21.12 | geist | i have no idea anything post pixie |
| 23:21.20 | rwhitby | geist: thx |
| 23:21.22 | tmzt | ram or flash? |
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| 23:21.33 | geist | if they didn't put in a reset, then that was just stupid |
| 23:21.44 | geist | try pushing all the buttons |
| 23:22.04 | rwhitby | geist: on the pixie, did DFU write to flash or RAM ? |
| 23:22.11 | geist | ram 100% |
| 23:22.27 | geist | dfu mode was just a very simple loader, could squirts tuff into ram and go |
| 23:22.28 | tmzt | is it still imem at this stage |
| 23:22.30 | tmzt | early appsboot |
| 23:22.38 | geist | basically the idea was OMAP had a built in rom that you could break into |
| 23:22.38 | rwhitby | geist: so should be able to DFU a bootie to recover something? |
| 23:22.48 | geist | yep, that's the idea |
| 23:23.00 | geist | since OMAP had a built in rom that let you squirt stuff into ram and go, and msm didn't |
| 23:23.05 | jcsullins | I think the code providing the DFU is bootie, btw... |
| 23:23.16 | geist | jcsullins: yes i know, i wrote it |
| 23:23.29 | jcsullins | oh, ok. you'd know then... :-) |
| 23:23.40 | geist | dfubootie was just another build variant of bootie, only had enough code to either load the next stage (real bootie) or go into dfu if it couldn't |
| 23:23.59 | geist | was only needed on msm cpus since they had no fall back rom based dfu mode like OMAP did |
| 23:24.00 | tmzt | so it woulnd't be on emmc? |
| 23:24.08 | geist | again, depends on the device |
| 23:24.15 | geist | on pixie it was sitting on the modem's flash |
| 23:24.23 | rwhitby | geist: what was the magic key sequence to put pixie into DFU ? |
| 23:24.41 | geist | was chainbooted by the modem cpu into the arm11s cpu, then dfuboot bootie would load the real bootloader off of mmc |
| 23:24.44 | tmzt | apq it's got to be with the a6/q6 stuff then |
| 23:25.09 | geist | rwhitby: geez, probably button + some volup/down thing |
| 23:25.26 | geist | wait, no buttons on pixie... guess it was a power + volume up/down thing? |
| 23:25.54 | geist | that might be a good test of your dfu code. if you can break into a pixie and dfu boot a known working pixie bootie |
| 23:27.16 | ghostinator | New kernel benchmarks are about to go live, looks like unix did some nice optimizations on his code since build 42, compared to build 61. ill post a link in a min |
| 23:34.23 | ghostinator | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/295466-nbench-webosmark-benchmarking-kernel-fastest-comparison.html |
| 23:39.20 | ghostinator | i made sure to link to testing.preware.org just for rwhitby : |
| 23:39.22 | ghostinator | :P |
| 23:40.32 | rwhitby | ghostinator: since the web-a-thon is over, perhaps replace that link with http://donate.webos-internals.org/ |
| 23:40.49 | rhcp[linux] | crazy diff @ 1.8 |
| 23:41.27 | ghostinator | I just took it out, i was just about to ask ya for that |
| 23:42.27 | ghostinator | added :D |
| 23:43.04 | ghostinator | I wish i wasn't broke, i'd donate but until then i'll keep doing this stuff and working on guides for the wiki, etc |
| 23:44.09 | rwhitby | ghostinator: what you are doing is much more valuable than cash, thanks. |
| 23:44.44 | ghostinator | Only if i knew what i needed to have setup to compile kernels, then i'd help codecrumb out |
| 23:44.56 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels |
| 23:45.10 | ghostinator | duh! i just saw that earlier (I was drowning in excel with charts) |
| 23:45.12 | ghostinator | haha |
| 23:45.35 | ghostinator | lemme reboot into ubuntu |
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| 23:50.51 | tmzt | jcsullins: what if we assume it has the same load address as bootie? |
| 23:51.12 | tmzt | (the bootie we know) |
| 23:51.17 | jcsullins | perhaps... |
| 23:51.24 | ghostinator | rwhitby: I'd still like the details about various tweaks in whatever kernels you know, if you could email them to me? |
| 23:51.26 | jcsullins | which is? |
| 23:51.38 | ghostinator | I Want to create a chart of kernel comparisons for the touchpad |
| 23:51.50 | tmzt | hmm |
| 23:52.03 | jcsullins | I'm gonna try a couple of things... |
| 23:52.03 | tmzt | that's a good question:) |
| 23:52.52 | ghostinator | what was that link again? |
| 23:53.02 | ghostinator | nvm i found it |
| 23:53.04 | tmzt | when we do get this figured out wel'll document it on github.com/tmzt/msmb/wiki and webos wiki for touchpad recovery, but I don't think people are going to get in here other than intentionally writing to imem |
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| 23:56.29 | jcsullins | YES, YES, YES!!! |
| 23:56.43 | tmzt | got it? |
| 23:56.53 | jcsullins | yes |
| 23:57.07 | tmzt | anything we can do to verify this is pre emmc or sdram? |
| 23:57.14 | tmzt | that would be really good to know |
| 23:57.23 | rwhitby | ghostinator: it changes so often that you should look at the git repo |
| 23:57.57 | ghostinator | rwhitby: duh, i don't know where my mind is today.. Thanks :) |
| 23:59.49 | ghostinator | had a problem with making the toolchain |
