| 00:00.28 | ghostinator | well there are errors |
| 00:01.17 | ghostinator | http://pastebin.com/FT7URfKj |
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| 00:26.06 | tmzt | geist: oh yeah, the other thing I wanted to ask you, ext2.git should integrate into lk as lib/fs/ext2? I've almost got qualcomm's mmc_boot exposed as a bdev |
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| 00:26.26 | tmzt | have to do subdevices next |
| 00:31.07 | ghostinator | i guess the errors don't mean anything, built unix's f15c fine |
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| 00:34.28 | fudge_i3 | hi |
| 00:36.47 | jamesb2147_ | hi fudge! |
| 00:41.20 | ghostinator | make toolchain fails on setting it up, following directions from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels |
| 00:42.39 | fudge_i3 | ;) |
| 00:44.36 | scoutcamper | ghostinator, ok, pastebin the error please |
| 00:44.58 | ghostinator | http://pastebin.com/FT7URfKj |
| 00:44.59 | scoutcamper | and what distro/version of linux/mac are you using? |
| 00:45.08 | ghostinator | ubuntu 10.10 |
| 00:45.52 | scoutcamper | you havent installed the wIDK prereqs |
| 00:46.03 | ghostinator | i wsa just looking over them actualy |
| 00:46.09 | ghostinator | i will do |
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| 00:56.31 | geist | tmzt: yeah, that's almost exactly what i did in bootie |
| 00:56.53 | geist | tmzt: wait, it's already there |
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| 01:18.16 | tmzt | geist: qualcomm stripped it out |
| 01:18.21 | tmzt | I can't find a git with it intact |
| 01:18.36 | tmzt | they seem to be using pre-lk aboot mmc_boot code |
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| 01:19.12 | tmzt | we're getting closer to a bootloader solution though, one piece at a time |
| 01:26.58 | geist | ah yeah, okay |
| 01:27.09 | geist | yeah, they forked it a while back |
| 01:27.40 | geist | the bdev and fs stuff in lk is i think almost exactly the same as bootie |
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| 01:33.37 | ghostinator | ok installed the pre-reqs and still no dice |
| 01:33.49 | ghostinator | same error |
| 01:34.32 | ghostinator | install the req's not the complete pdk right? |
| 01:34.38 | ghostinator | pre-reqs* |
| 01:35.28 | ghostinator | let me check one more thing |
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| 01:41.42 | ghostinator | xar wasn't installed, let's try this one more time |
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| 01:44.29 | ghostinator | Ok if your TP won't run 1.944GHz, sticking it in a ziploc and freezing it will cool it enough to do so.. benchmarking in the freezer now haha |
| 01:45.00 | tmzt | practical |
| 01:47.01 | ghostinator | most definately not, i just want to benchmark it and get some numbers |
| 01:47.24 | ghostinator | make toolchain still fails after installing the pre-reqs |
| 01:48.28 | ghostinator | same error as before |
| 01:50.37 | Abyssul-TP | We need to water cool the TP |
| 01:50.45 | Abyssul-TP | Whos game.. |
| 01:51.46 | Framework | me |
| 01:51.49 | Framework | =p |
| 01:52.23 | ghostinator | LOL! First we need to get the CPU temp to show in govnah instead of battery |
| 01:52.30 | ghostinator | currently my TP shows -5 C for battery temp |
| 01:52.52 | Abyssul-TP | I thought Govnah was cpu temp... |
| 01:53.00 | ghostinator | not on the TP |
| 01:53.04 | ghostinator | I Don't know why |
| 01:53.15 | Abyssul-TP | Oh i guess not |
| 01:53.52 | Abyssul-TP | Our only option is dry ice |
| 01:54.44 | ghostinator | I was just telling my roomate that and he looked at me like i was insane |
| 01:55.06 | Abyssul-TP | Wanna get some TP publicity? There u go |
| 01:55.50 | ghostinator | I already benchmark all the kernels |
| 01:56.00 | ghostinator | maybe if i can snag another one incase things go haywire |
| 01:56.10 | Abyssul-TP | Good luck |
| 01:57.49 | Abyssul-TP | I guess there is current method for cpu temp on the tp |
| 01:58.18 | rwhitby | we have not found a CPU temp sensor on the TP yet |
| 02:03.08 | Abyssul-TP | Is there one hardwired even? |
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| 02:20.50 | rwhitby | The PMIC should have one |
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| 02:36.47 | ghostinator | ok got some solid benchmarking done at 1.9GHz, granted battery temp was -3C through -5C the entire time but at least i have an idea |
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| 02:40.30 | sailerboy | ghostinator, how'd you get that? |
| 02:40.32 | sailerboy | lol |
| 02:40.57 | sailerboy | dry ice? |
| 02:42.17 | ghostinator | ziplock bag, freezer |
| 02:42.33 | ghostinator | it crashed soon at the battery hit 6C |
| 02:43.00 | scoutcamper | nice |
| 02:43.01 | ghostinator | so i rebooted it at 1.8ghz and have quake running so i can warm it up enough so the humidity doesn't freeze it over when i take it out the bag |
| 02:43.40 | ghostinator | Not pratical by anymeans, but i got tired of not being able to show 1.9GHz bench results on my thread |
| 02:43.58 | ghostinator | difference really wasn't that big of a deal but still something |
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| 02:58.41 | PatrickC | rwhitby: ping |
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| 02:59.27 | dtzWill | ghostinator: hahaha nice :D |
| 03:01.16 | ghostinator | gotta make some charts to show it. best score i got was 76 compared to 81.5 for F4 phantom at 1.8GHz |
| 03:02.14 | PatrickC | or someone who can edit the preware feeds Packages files |
| 03:14.13 | ghostinator | thread updated with new 1.9GHz bench, with a screenshot of Govnah for that batt temp :D |
| 03:16.08 | rwhitby | PatrickC: yes |
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| 03:16.37 | PatrickC | rwhitby: the "Pulse Audio Restarter" app isn't marked as 3.x only |
| 03:16.49 | PatrickC | I was able to download it to my pre via preware |
| 03:16.56 | rwhitby | that's because it isn't for 3.x onlt |
| 03:17.01 | PatrickC | I just thought that was a 3.x only app |
| 03:17.08 | PatrickC | its enyo, isn't it? |
| 03:17.11 | rwhitby | why did you think that? |
| 03:17.16 | PatrickC | its enyo |
| 03:17.23 | PatrickC | which is 2.2 or later |
| 03:17.26 | rwhitby | it includes enyo |
| 03:17.32 | PatrickC | just remembered 2.2 had enyo |
| 03:17.41 | rwhitby | it also includes mojo |
| 03:17.48 | PatrickC | the app does? |
| 03:18.05 | scoutcamper | mumbles something about checking build.git before stating facts |
| 03:18.12 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: you mean you interrupted my work day to ask me this without checking yourself? |
| 03:18.24 | rwhitby | s/PuffTheMagic/PatrickC/ |
| 03:18.54 | PatrickC | sorry |
| 03:19.15 | rwhitby | PatrickC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf |
| 03:24.30 | m0ngr31 | what's the easiest way to submit apps to prepare? I saw the patches.webos-internals.org page. is there something similar for apps? |
| 03:24.47 | scoutcamper | m0ngr31, precentral feeds |
| 03:25.14 | m0ngr31 | ok, I'll google that thanks |
| 03:28.08 | rwhitby | m0ngr31: if it's a general mojo or enyo app, precentral feeds. |
| 03:28.34 | rwhitby | m0ngr31: if it's something along the lines of webos-internals root-access apps, we can support that in the webos-internals feeds |
| 03:30.47 | m0ngr31 | rwhitby: it does run a postinstall script that remounts the file system to create a file in /etc/palm/db/permissions, does that count as something you would support or would precentral feeds be fine? |
| 03:31.22 | rwhitby | what permissions does it change? |
| 03:31.50 | m0ngr31 | the permissions for the kindle app database |
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| 03:32.36 | rwhitby | it's a kindle side-loader app? |
| 03:36.20 | m0ngr31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.12 | m0ngr31 | http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/297377-real-kindle-sideloading-solution.html |
| 03:39.52 | rwhitby | m0ngr31: what does the prerm script do when the app is uninstalled? |
| 03:40.56 | m0ngr31 | deletes the file that is created (/etc/palm/db/permissions/com.palm.kindle) |
| 03:41.51 | rwhitby | m0ngr31: I think you can go either way then (precentral feed or webos-internals feed) |
| 03:43.45 | m0ngr31 | ok sweet thanks |
| 03:45.03 | rwhitby | m0ngr31: have a read of http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards to know how to get the right meta-data for Preware to display |
| 03:45.28 | m0ngr31 | will do thanks! |
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| 04:10.33 | long2know | I'm trying to download unto chroot with preware... Package isn't shown though, but I can see it if I view the feed in browser.. Any suggestions? |
| 04:10.57 | long2know | ubuntu chroot, that is |
| 04:11.11 | rwhitby | long2know: see testing.preware.org |
| 04:12.49 | long2know | ko.. I'll check that out |
| 04:22.43 | long2know | thanx! Setting up beta feeds did the trick |
| 04:23.42 | rwhitby | long2know: you didn't see that when you got a Preware update to 1.8.3 ? |
| 04:24.11 | long2know | nope.. I had to add the enable-beta-feeds |
| 04:24.57 | rwhitby | So you updated to Preware 1.8.3 ? |
| 04:25.07 | rwhitby | but didn't read the changelog splash screen? |
| 04:25.25 | rwhitby | or you didn't see there was an update for Preware ? |
| 04:25.32 | long2know | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.21 | rwhitby | when you opened Preware to look for the Ubuntu Chroot, you didn't get an update notice in Preware? |
| 04:26.33 | rwhitby | (first row of the main screen) |
| 04:27.10 | rwhitby | long2know: (BTW, I'm not hassling you, just trying to work out how we reach everyone that we need to reach) |
| 04:27.48 | long2know | I think I did.. But I didn't update at the time.. I was preoccupied dinking with the feed settings |
| 04:31.17 | rwhitby | did you see the testing feeds announcement pseudo-package that I put in the old testing feeds to notify people using the old testing feeds? |
| 04:33.47 | long2know | no.. Missed it, but probably due to searching for something very specific |
| 04:34.37 | rwhitby | long2know: thanks for the feedback |
| 04:35.15 | rwhitby | maybe Preware needs an "Announcement" type which shows up as a result for all searches and filters |
| 04:35.22 | long2know | your welcome.. I'll try to be more observant in the future.:-) |
| 04:36.47 | SineOt | rwhitby: couldn't you have it be a special row on the main Preware screen above something like Updates? |
| 04:38.38 | rwhitby | scrolling ticker-tape style perhaps |
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| 06:21.28 | pcworld | good morning |
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| 07:29.56 | copystring_ | hello :) |
| 07:35.41 | copystring_ | I guess its to early, cya |
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| 07:36.11 | dtzWill | haha :/ |
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| 07:39.12 | rwhitby | it's never too early to ignore impatient people ;) |
| 07:40.43 | wrea | I hear that |
| 07:43.36 | Jack87 | wow ya |
| 07:46.35 | Jack87 | wrea, did you have any more luck since the last time i saw you tinkering with ad hoc? |
| 07:47.08 | wrea | Somewhat actually. As in I connected without haveing to run a lot of commands |
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| 07:47.20 | wrea | I have to remember what I did to wpa_supplicant though |
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| 07:50.28 | Jack87 | thats nice... do you have the custom file saved? maybe you can do a diff |
| 07:51.17 | wrea | I have all the files in email, just got to sift through them |
| 07:51.35 | wrea | I dont really like the solution anyway |
| 07:52.12 | wrea | It relies on having ap_mode set to 2 and one would have to patch a binary to change that |
| 07:54.06 | Jack87 | such a pain that it doesnt work with ad hoc out of the box |
| 07:55.24 | wrea | Seems that stock wpa_supplicant might be an issue, at least with getting it to connect in some way throguh the gui |
| 07:57.02 | Jack87 | hum.. the gui never shows up ad hoc networks even with your custom one right? could you manually type in network info and connect via gui or was it all via commands |
| 07:57.42 | wrea | I manually connected through the gui |
| 07:58.28 | Jack87 | wrea, oh wow thats huge |
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| 07:59.38 | wrea | I suppose |
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| 08:06.27 | wrea | My adhoc setup isnt ideal and frustrating, so I havent been motivated the last few days |
| 08:07.13 | Jack87 | as hoc always a bitch. |
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| 08:21.38 | Xuzz | LOL |
| 08:21.47 | Xuzz | http://www.hpwebos.com/robots.txt << User-agent: Vampires Disallow: /neck |
| 08:22.03 | wrea | awesome |
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| 10:47.05 | ice8lue | hey guys |
| 10:52.28 | dtzWill | Xuzz: lolol XD |
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| 11:33.49 | YeahRight | http://testing-preware.org/ isnt working it seems |
| 11:35.20 | rwhitby | hmm. http://www-preware.org/ isn't either. wonder what's going on. |
| 11:35.31 | panel | www- |
| 11:35.34 | YeahRight | seems wrong link is used in preware and on webos-internals site..http://testing.preware.org/ does work |
| 11:36.06 | YeahRight | rwhitby : i guess you're being sarcastic but fact is the wrong link is out there |
| 11:36.12 | rwhitby | YeahRight: where? |
| 11:36.33 | YeahRight | changelog of preware |
| 11:36.56 | YeahRight | and in the preware description on my touchpad |
| 11:37.19 | rwhitby | orly? |
| 11:37.26 | YeahRight | hmm..ditch last remark |
| 11:37.38 | rwhitby | ditch the one before it too :) |
| 11:37.50 | YeahRight | 1.8.3 Please read http://testing-preware.org/ if you use the testing feeds |
| 11:39.02 | rwhitby | where exactly are you seeing that? |
| 11:39.17 | YeahRight | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Feed_management |
| 11:39.53 | rwhitby | ah, let's see who made that typo ... |
| 11:40.43 | YeahRight | :P |
| 11:40.45 | rwhitby | you can blame "Bgrambo" for that. Dunno who that is, but they made a typo on the wiki page. |
| 11:41.00 | rwhitby | note that the changelog in the app and in the preware description are correct. |
| 11:41.16 | rwhitby | wiki page has now been corrected too. thanks for pointing it out. |
| 11:41.17 | YeahRight | yeah i already ditched that one :P |
| 11:41.36 | YeahRight | sure yw..i'll survive your sarcasm :P |
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| 11:41.49 | rwhitby | (note that the official changelog of Preware is in the Help->Changelog in the app) |
| 11:42.01 | YeahRight | (ok) |
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| 11:43.20 | rwhitby | looks like his other edits to that page were useful |
| 11:50.58 | YeahRight | i'n reinstalling preware from command line and get: "Would you like to include any alpha Preware releases for this install/update" |
| 11:51.15 | YeahRight | this refers to the prewarepackage itself and not to alpha testing feeds i guess? |
| 11:52.03 | rwhitby | hmm - I doubt that will do anything now anyway |
| 11:52.12 | rwhitby | since the feeds have changed :) |
| 11:52.39 | YeahRight | to what did it refer then originally? |
| 11:53.02 | rwhitby | using the testing feed version of Preare |
| 11:53.04 | rwhitby | preware |
| 11:53.19 | YeahRight | ah |
| 12:02.22 | Framework | LOLWUT |
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| 12:29.59 | YeahRight | on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:PsychoKernel it states These kernels are INTENDED FOR ALPHA TESTING ONLY. However the beta testing feed shows the F4 kernel..i guess this means its eligible for beta testing too now? |
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| 12:32.28 | rwhitby | yep, I'd say so. |
| 12:32.56 | rwhitby | note that there may still be a version of the kernel in the alpha feed even while a different version of the same kernel is in the beta feed |
| 12:33.53 | YeahRight | yeah makes sense |
| 12:34.39 | YeahRight | permit me one more question rwhitby : if i install F4 kernel this won't influence my openssh setup and fstab edits etc? |
| 12:34.52 | rwhitby | correct |
| 12:34.57 | YeahRight | thank you |
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| 12:35.25 | rwhitby | np, thanks again for pointing out the wiki error |
| 12:36.12 | YeahRight | anytime :P i'll report again in the unlikely case i find some error |
| 12:45.08 | YeahRight | how are ppl supposed to reach http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:UberKernel or http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:PsychoKernel without using search? |
| 12:45.58 | YeahRight | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:webOS_Applications_All is not listing them for ex |
| 12:46.15 | rwhitby | from the Homepage link in the Preware package description |
| 12:46.43 | rwhitby | same way you get to any package's documentation |
| 12:47.39 | rwhitby | but feel free to link it into anywhere you think it should be linked to on the wiki |
| 12:47.59 | rwhitby | the best person to know where to link something is the person who is currently searching :) |
| 12:49.06 | YeahRight | i'm not sure what you meant by "from the Homepage link in the Preware package description" |
| 12:49.28 | rwhitby | tap on a package in preware |
| 12:49.46 | YeahRight | ah..you mean on touchpad |
| 12:49.54 | YeahRight | i was talking about the site though.. |
| 12:50.21 | rwhitby | right. feel free to link pages to places where you expect to see them on the wiki |
| 12:50.56 | YeahRight | it's not easy to find on the wiki..you already need to know the name |
| 12:51.13 | rwhitby | right. do what you think is needed to fix that. |
| 12:51.30 | YeahRight | i also cant seem to find install instructions for F4 kernel on the wiki .. i guess i need to deinstall uberkernel first and return to stock before i can install F4 |
| 12:51.41 | YeahRight | yeah i will look into it |
| 12:51.49 | rwhitby | have you read http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? |
| 12:52.14 | YeahRight | nope..using my pc atm.. |
| 12:52.32 | YeahRight | wouldnt that be information one would expect at the wiki too? |
| 12:52.56 | rwhitby | well, we assume that when you're installing packages you're on your device |
| 12:53.21 | rwhitby | since that's where you run Preware |
| 12:53.25 | YeahRight | when you actually installing you obviously are on the device :P |
| 12:53.46 | rwhitby | and since Preware is the place where you discover the packages |
| 12:53.47 | YeahRight | however i tend to digest information on my pc too..prepare..;-) |
| 12:54.23 | YeahRight | i mean thats the idea of the wiki in the first place i would say.. |
| 12:54.33 | rwhitby | well, I'll tell you know that no-one has put any effort into making the wiki a catalog of packages |
| 12:54.38 | rwhitby | s/know/now/ |
| 12:55.28 | rwhitby | since that would be duplicating information that is already in Preware, and which would then get out of sync (as you experienced with the changelog wiki page) |
| 12:55.45 | YeahRight | i see |
| 12:56.58 | YeahRight | so you're saying its required to buy the Preware Homebrew Documentation package to get the kernel install instructions? might pose a problem for ppl without access to the US app market or without having a credit card |
| 12:57.32 | rwhitby | it's not required. all the information is available on the internet somewhere. |
| 12:58.24 | rwhitby | that app is somewhere that I can point people so they can spend 99 cents learning on their own instead of taking up the time of the developers |
| 13:00.00 | YeahRight | heh ok..just meant to say some ppl cant buy it and therefore will still take up some of your precious time :P by no means i'm critizing |
| 13:00.00 | rwhitby | ironically, one of the 1 star reviews says exactly "this app is a waste of money cause I can find all the information in it on the internet". that person didn't really get the whole thanking the developers part of it |
| 13:00.14 | YeahRight | lol..indeed |
| 13:02.12 | rwhitby | well, the people who *can't* buy it (as opposed to won't buy it) are an extremely small percentage of the user base. And I can say that because I'm in a country that until very recently did not have access to paid apps, and I also have written an app that allows any device to be registered for the US app catalog where someone can use a virtual debit card to buy things. |
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| 14:19.18 | PatrickC | rwhitby: does the pre3 have a microsd slot??? |
| 14:19.39 | PatrickC | the ebay listing says "expandable up to 16gb" |
| 14:19.57 | rwhitby | sigh. why do people believe an ebay listing? |
| 14:20.27 | rwhitby | PatrickC: and why does that question need to be personally addressed to me? |
| 14:20.28 | summatusmentis | because it was on the internet, it must be true |
| 14:20.31 | PatrickC | which is why I was asking? |
| 14:20.41 | PatrickC | rwhitby: cause you have a pre3? |
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| 14:21.15 | rwhitby | PatrickC: and no-one else on the internet does? and it's never been reviewed by anyone? and the specs are not public? |
| 14:21.35 | rwhitby | seriously mate, you've now used up your quota. |
| 14:23.55 | Abyssul-Pre | Lol plenty of other people couldve answered that question. Rwhitby has important things to do :p |
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| 16:53.00 | masterosok_ | is there a kernel that is favored or are they all about the same except for o/c capabilities and are there any patches we shouldn't install if using a custom kernel? |
| 16:54.30 | PatrickC | I've never ran into a patch that conflicted with a kernel |
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| 18:12.44 | ghostinator | ah... finally setup to compile kernels.. compiled warthog's for the TP but with a few different setting. lets see how she preforms :D |
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| 18:15.03 | Davide-NYC | Folks, I need a spot of help. I'm about to purchase an ATT Pre3 and just wanted to protect myself a bit through Paypal. Can anyone tell me what the P/N (model number) is? |
| 18:20.41 | ghostinator | im trying to see if i can track something down for you' |
| 18:23.08 | PatrickC | I would, but don't have my AT&T pre3 yet. sorry |
| 18:27.39 | dwc- | you bought one patrick? |
| 18:27.47 | PatrickC | dwc-: yeap |
| 18:27.52 | PatrickC | parents got it for me |
| 18:28.01 | dwc- | don't you keep telling us how piss poor you are and can't afford new phones |
| 18:28.06 | dwc- | and touchpads |
| 18:28.10 | dwc- | $600? |
| 18:28.30 | ghostinator | lol |
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| 18:28.32 | PatrickC | they got it for super cheap |
| 18:28.34 | PatrickC | under $100 |
| 18:28.35 | ghostinator | i love this place |
| 18:28.38 | PatrickC | idk how :D |
| 18:28.38 | halfhalo | he sold a kidney |
| 18:28.41 | dwc- | wtf, I want a pre3 for < $100 |
| 18:28.42 | ghostinator | who did they stab? |
| 18:28.51 | Davide-NYC | ghostinator: thanks |
| 18:29.04 | PatrickC | dwc-: we got lucky on ebay |
| 18:29.07 | dwc- | I'm willing to pay ~200ish for sure |
| 18:29.13 | dwc- | what, someone had buyitnow for < $100? |
| 18:29.19 | PatrickC | idk |
| 18:29.21 | dwc- | the ones I saw were like 500-600 |
| 18:29.24 | ghostinator | for a pre 3 i'd pay no more than 4 |
| 18:29.26 | PatrickC | all they said was under $100 to me |
| 18:29.31 | PatrickC | no link, no other info |
| 18:29.43 | dwc- | HP Pre 3 - 16GB - Black (Unlocked) Smartphone |
| 18:29.43 | dwc- | 12 new from: $349.00 |
| 18:29.43 | dwc- | Next auction ends: $455.00 | |
| 18:29.45 | dwc- | 3d 17h 46m |
| 18:29.54 | dwc- | let's see |
| 18:30.06 | dwc- | let's find the completed ones |
| 18:30.11 | koichirose | Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a disk image (I ran meta-doctor but apparently it didn't work). The img should be mounted but I can't install (Unable to run command /sbin/initctl start...). Anyone willing to troubleshoot a little? I'm using a Touchpad 16gb |
| 18:31.27 | dwc- | I see nothing on ebay under "pre3" taht completed and actually sold for that cheap |
| 18:33.20 | koichirose | I have this in my /etc/fstab http://pastie.org/2559020 |
| 18:35.37 | ghostinator | only p/n i can find is for the euro pre 3 |
| 18:37.21 | dwc- | we need some better zoomed pics of those boxes |
| 18:38.20 | PatrickC | I'll give them to you once mine arrives |
| 18:39.06 | dwc- | there was a thread on precentral, someone posted who had one |
| 18:39.25 | dwc- | they had answered some people's questionsa bout it |
| 18:39.28 | dwc- | you might try asking there |
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| 19:51.31 | M25 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.32 | uNiXpSyChO | HZ clock does nothing |
| 19:56.51 | ghostinator | really? hmm, code crumb wanted me to try different builds and bench them |
| 19:56.57 | uNiXpSyChO | you can make that 20,000 and it wont change anything |
| 19:57.13 | uNiXpSyChO | benchmarks are like statistics, they can change at whim |
| 19:57.17 | ghostinator | very true |
| 19:57.24 | ghostinator | What does it control exactly? I never understood |
| 19:57.32 | uNiXpSyChO | it's almost immpossible to get a true benchmark out of a multi-user system |
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| 19:57.56 | uNiXpSyChO | HZ is the old method of clock control... modern kernels use HRTIMER or equiv |
| 19:58.37 | uNiXpSyChO | espceially when you combine that with NOHZ CONFIG setting |
| 19:58.51 | uNiXpSyChO | the timer will only fire when there is an interupt |
| 19:59.05 | ghostinator | awesome, i've wasted time today building useless kernels and benching them |
| 19:59.42 | uNiXpSyChO | benchmarking a running multi-user system will give you dramatic swings in numbers. |
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| 20:00.11 | ghostinator | yeah i figured so i the benchmarks about 20 times to get a better average |
| 20:00.25 | ghostinator | run* |
| 20:02.00 | ghostinator | oh well |
| 20:05.07 | uNiXpSyChO | you will have to shut off all unneeded services and run it in airplane mode to get somekind of a decent benchmark. |
| 20:06.04 | ghostinator | i run it in airplane mode anyways, what services should i disable? |
| 20:07.31 | uNiXpSyChO | you'll get an idea of what runs in the background by running top. |
| 20:08.26 | uNiXpSyChO | when i used to bench the Pre/Pre2, i would kill the GUI and everything with it. |
| 20:08.41 | uNiXpSyChO | everything else would just be benching JS/HTML5 |
| 20:08.52 | ghostinator | i guess i could do that then run nbench |
| 20:09.39 | ghostinator | let's stop services and see what happens haha |
| 20:13.07 | ghostinator | what else is associated with LunaSysMgr? |
| 20:20.59 | ghostinator | scores are higher without lunasys runnnig.. time to redo it all! |
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| 20:55.45 | webos | Hey everyone! |
| 20:56.11 | webos | has anyone tried to use a usb to serial adapter with theit TouchPad? I think I have udev issues :) |
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| 20:56.48 | NuttyBunny | sorry.. that's more like it |
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| 21:01.11 | NuttyBunny | Again... has anyone tried to use a usb to serial adapter with theit TouchPad? I think I have udev issues :) |
| 21:01.16 | NuttyBunny | (sorry for the repost) |
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| 21:03.17 | NuttyBunny | udev? anyone? I think ubuntu 11.04 runs usb_modeswitcher by default for serial devices, but there should be a configuration for easily enabling serial adapters :( |
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| 21:35.26 | RichT23 | Hoot |
| 21:38.44 | PatrickC | hey RichT23 |
| 21:39.27 | RichT23 | Hellowl PatrickC |
| 21:40.48 | RichT23 | So loving my veer =) |
| 21:41.11 | PatrickC | lol |
| 21:41.14 | PatrickC | cool :) |
| 21:41.45 | RichT23 | so small and way faster then the pixi was |
| 21:42.55 | RichT23 | would be nice of the screen span round |
| 21:43.14 | RichT23 | or should i say if you could rotate the screen |
| 21:45.10 | oilsworkn | use a hammer |
| 21:45.52 | RichT23 | got a funny fealing that would just brake my hart |
| 21:46.05 | wrea | I wish I had my Veer |
| 21:46.52 | RichT23 | they are much cheeper to buy in the us |
| 21:48.01 | PatrickC | gets ready to build pre2 tonight |
| 21:48.03 | oilsworkn | well, at least its not breaking your heart |
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| 21:50.33 | RichT23 | =) |
| 21:51.48 | andyc | Am I in the right place to ask about xecuter? |
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| 21:52.38 | andyc | xecutah* |
| 21:53.23 | oilsworkn | correct channel |
| 21:53.32 | oilsworkn | but i dont know if anyone who can help you is here atm |
| 21:53.41 | oilsworkn | ask your question, if anyone knows they'll answer when they see it |
| 21:54.07 | andyc | ah ok. just wondering if I can get it to log verbosely in lumbejack |
| 21:54.41 | oilsworkn | for the mojo-app portion? |
| 21:54.46 | andyc | when I click xterm nothing happens which I wanted to sort out |
| 21:54.55 | oilsworkn | starting lumberjack should up the log level |
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| 21:55.06 | oilsworkn | but if xecutah isn't logging anything, it would be blank |
| 21:55.35 | oilsworkn | i suggest trying the everything option, or the custom option then type in xecutah |
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| 21:58.02 | rwhitby | xterm logs it's initial output in /tmp/xterm.log |
| 21:58.10 | rwhitby | xserver logs it's initial output in /tmp/xserver.log |
| 21:58.56 | rwhitby | andyc: which version of Xecutah are you using, on which device and on which webOS version? Also, which instructions did you follow to set it up? |
| 22:00.46 | jtrucks | does anyone know of a new hulu fix, or ar we stuck waiting for hulu to make an app now? |
| 22:01.08 | andyc | webos 2.1.0 uk o2 preplus. xecuter 0.9.0. I'll cat those logs and see what I find. |
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| 22:12.12 | rwhitby | jtrucks: the existing fix doesn't work? |
| 22:12.55 | andyc | Ah just me being stupid, didn't realise I had to launch an xserver before the xterm (thought it would launch one regardless). thanks for your help - i've not had a terminal since 1.4.5. |
| 22:13.22 | linuxjacques | rwhitby: I heard the current workaround was blocked by hulu a few days ago. |
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| 22:15.42 | oilsworkn | waiting for hulu to make an app, haha, funny |
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| 22:20.28 | scoutcamper | lol |
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| 22:28.17 | wrea | Hey LarrySteeze |
| 22:36.16 | LarrySteeze | hey there |
| 22:36.52 | wrea | How's it going? |
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| 22:41.11 | LarrySteeze | it's all good |
| 22:41.25 | LarrySteeze | tryina figure out if I'm going to win my fantasy game tonight |
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| 22:48.47 | jtrucks | rwhitby: yeah, hulu stopped the flash hack from working. I tried a few random strings and nothing worked, so they might be doing it via browser user-agent strings instead |
| 22:49.19 | oilsworkn | isn't that what the patch changed? |
| 22:49.24 | oilsworkn | the useragent? |
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| 22:58.42 | directhex | the patch changed flash's user agent string, no? |
| 23:07.33 | jtrucks | atch changed the flash library file |
| 23:07.41 | jtrucks | 's user-agent/version string |
| 23:20.03 | ghostinator | right, they are doing it by the browsers user agent now |
| 23:27.06 | LarrySteeze | that's why I was saying there should be a patch that takes domain into consideration with the useragent |
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| 23:29.11 | wrea | I sent an email on Friday to Palm about their webkit source |
| 23:30.32 | linuxjacques | wrea: to opensourcequestions@palm.com ? |
| 23:30.36 | wrea | Yeah |
| 23:30.57 | jtrucks | cool |
| 23:30.57 | linuxjacques | good. I've had success with that address before. |
| 23:31.17 | linuxjacques | wrea: what's the issue? source incomplete? |
| 23:31.40 | wrea | linuxjacques, Yeah, they're only distributing two directories |
| 23:33.46 | linuxjacques | wrea: ah, I hope that resolves more like the tp kernel source issue (quickly and satisfactorily) and not like the SDL source issue (still not resolved from late 2009). |
| 23:35.38 | wrea | Arent there non profit orgs that handle violations? |
| 23:35.44 | wrea | Whats SDL's license anyway? |
| 23:37.24 | linuxjacques | "SDL is distributed under GNU LGPL version 2." |
| 23:38.04 | wrea | Well, if they're using 1.3 or nexer they can license it commercially |
| 23:38.33 | linuxjacques | webos is 1.2 |
| 23:38.44 | wrea | Oh, well then |
| 23:39.22 | linuxjacques | the source is close to complete, but we can't build it |
| 23:39.31 | linuxjacques | we don't have all the header files |
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| 23:42.05 | ghostinator | every one team up and all send them emails about it |
| 23:42.46 | ghostinator | is there anyway to make the advanced browser default to handle links? |
| 23:42.46 | wrea | Well, I guess the best way to go about is to contact SDL and see if they would officially contact them about their noncompliance. |
| 23:42.47 | ghostinator | very true |
| 23:43.14 | linuxjacques | goota go, bbl |
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