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| 02:44.09 | *** topic/#webos-internals is Discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage or anything to do with Android). Use #webos-general for off-topic stuff. Honor all NDAs, licenses, carrier agreements and copyrights. Twitter: @webosinternals Logs: logs.nslu2-linux.org Wiki: www.webos-internals.org Preware: www.preware.org Patches: patches.webos-internals.org Testing Feed: testing.preware.org |
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| 03:04.50 | wrea | hewball, awesome |
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| 03:27.34 | wrea | hewball, got all the problems with dbus and avahi fixed now. Have 3 mdns devices on my network now |
| 03:29.59 | hewball | nice work |
| 03:30.44 | wrea | I also 'tried' backporting raop to 0.9.14 :P |
| 03:36.04 | hewball | seeing as i cant buy the itunes remote app that would come in handy on my pre3 |
| 03:38.24 | wrea | well, you're golden anyway |
| 03:38.37 | wrea | the pre3 uses the same pulse version as the tp |
| 03:39.35 | hewball | oh sweet, didnt realise that |
| 03:39.53 | wrea | The backporting would be for the Veer and Pre2 |
| 03:40.29 | wrea | Backporting the changes with rtp was easy, but once I got to raop-sink it used a lot of updated api which would require someone more capable than me |
| 04:00.21 | Saijin_Naib | Can anyone help me decipher the legality of a patch I've made |
| 04:00.44 | wrea | Sure |
| 04:00.58 | Saijin_Naib | I was on last night talking to you I think |
| 04:01.20 | wrea | yeah |
| 04:01.21 | Saijin_Naib | in any case, I've managed to make the Pre 3 version of the HP App Store live alongside the webOS 1.4.5 version without any issue, and across reboots |
| 04:01.27 | Saijin_Naib | I've even purchased apps with it so I know it works :D |
| 04:02.19 | grep_a|away | I don't remember any EULA for the hp app store |
| 04:02.36 | wrea | there is one |
| 04:02.37 | Saijin_Naib | My problem is two-fold. Firstly, what is the legality of what I've done? Secondly, how can I distribute this so other 1.x users can take advantage of Promo Codes |
| 04:02.46 | Saijin_Naib | Yes, there is. It shows the first time you enter the appstore |
| 04:02.53 | grep_a|away | ah, my bad |
| 04:03.08 | Saijin_Naib | I didnt read it, it was in my way at the time :P |
| 04:03.42 | grep_a|away | me either… most apparently |
| 04:03.56 | wrea | well, i assume you'd have to distribute the software of the other app catalog |
| 04:04.05 | rwhitby | Saijin_Naib: you can distribute a patch, but not the actual Pre 3 ipkg |
| 04:04.27 | wrea | yeah |
| 04:04.34 | Saijin_Naib | Okay, I'm not sure how I'd do that. I'm really not good at this stuff, I sort of brute-forced this into working. |
| 04:04.48 | Saijin_Naib | Would you be able to tell me if it is possible for this to be a patch and not an IPK? |
| 04:05.16 | rwhitby | a patch is a diff to a file, not a file in itself. |
| 04:05.37 | rwhitby | if you're distributing complete files, you'll be in violation of the copyright on those HP files. |
| 04:06.01 | Saijin_Naib | O_o |
| 04:06.03 | Saijin_Naib | ok |
| 04:07.01 | rwhitby | The EULA allows you to use the files on any webOS device, but does not allow you to redistribute them. |
| 04:07.44 | rwhitby | So an end-user copying the files from their Pre 3 to their Pixi is fine. An end-user putting those files on mediafire.com is illegal. |
| 04:08.07 | Saijin_Naib | so somehow I'd need to make a thing that grabs the ipk file from the pre3 ROM, changes the appid in the appinfo.json, and changes the target directory of the IPK |
| 04:08.10 | Saijin_Naib | is that a patchable thing? |
| 04:08.32 | cryptk | sure |
| 04:08.40 | cryptk | well, kinda |
| 04:09.05 | rwhitby | a patch is a diff to a file |
| 04:09.06 | rwhitby | what you just said is not a diff to a file |
| 04:09.14 | Saijin_Naib | what is what I did? |
| 04:09.14 | cryptk | yeah |
| 04:09.24 | cryptk | it is something that can be made, but not with a patch |
| 04:09.48 | cryptk | now you could possibly do it with an ipk with a customized postinst script, as long as there is a way to get the Pre3 version of the App Cat |
| 04:09.55 | cryptk | as in, a way to get it from HP |
| 04:10.00 | Saijin_Naib | its from the doctor |
| 04:10.16 | cryptk | you could just write up good instructions on how to do it with the meta doctor |
| 04:10.18 | Saijin_Naib | its just buried in there and needs to be extracted to have some stuff edited |
| 04:10.39 | Saijin_Naib | I didnt use metadoctor, its something that can be done on-line from Internalz |
| 04:10.39 | cryptk | take the meta doc, make unpack both doctors, copy stuff around, make pack, install |
| 04:10.47 | cryptk | but that isn't an IPK either... |
| 04:10.59 | Saijin_Naib | no, for me it is :P Thats how I've stored it |
| 04:11.07 | Saijin_Naib | so would this be something useful you guys would want? |
| 04:11.08 | cryptk | you may be stuck with just having to do a good set of instructions |
| 04:11.22 | cryptk | are you just isntalling the Pre3 app cat IPK on a 1.4.5 device? |
| 04:11.28 | rwhitby | Saijin_Naib: we have no more rights to distribute a HP ipk than you have |
| 04:11.29 | Saijin_Naib | I'm fine with that, I want it to be legal. Ideally, I want it to be as simple for the end-user as possible but I cant program so I can't make that happen :C |
| 04:11.48 | Saijin_Naib | Yeah, installing it but different from the way its done now so it stays resident across reboots |
| 04:11.52 | rwhitby | put the instructions on a wiki page |
| 04:11.54 | cryptk | you would write up a wiki article on how to do it |
| 04:11.58 | cryptk | lol, jinx |
| 04:11.59 | Saijin_Naib | rwhitby, I was referencing more the instructions being something you'd want to have |
| 04:12.13 | cryptk | sure |
| 04:12.26 | rwhitby | knowledge shared is always good. that's why we have www.webos-internals.org |
| 04:12.26 | Saijin_Naib | I also have some patches to PreWare patches I want to submit |
| 04:12.29 | Saijin_Naib | They're somewhat broken |
| 04:12.32 | cryptk | anything that involves making a webOS device do something "not stock" is good to have on the wiki |
| 04:12.47 | cryptk | what do the patches do? |
| 04:12.53 | rwhitby | Saijin_Naib: have you contacted the authors of those patches with your fixes? |
| 04:13.04 | Saijin_Naib | Not yet, I have to make the patches to them tonight. |
| 04:13.27 | Saijin_Naib | One is dark system devices. It fails to install because its looking to patch the old GOogle Maps app, not the Bing one. It simply needs to have that one line removed |
| 04:13.35 | rwhitby | the authors will prefer them as replacement patches, rather than patches to patches |
| 04:13.47 | Saijin_Naib | The other is the patch that makes the incoming/outgoing message bubbles show in the Messaging app on the overview page |
| 04:13.51 | cryptk | step one would be to contact the maintainer of the patch. If you can't get ahold of them, you can always just submit the update yourself through our patches portal |
| 04:13.54 | cryptk | patches.webos-internals.org |
| 04:14.30 | Saijin_Naib | That patch works fine, but it introduces a minor UI glitch. webOS doesn't have a pressed state chat bubble for the Green chat bubble. I just want to add that file and line to the patch |
| 04:14.31 | rwhitby | include a note to say how and when you attempted to contact the original author. |
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| 04:15.02 | rwhitby | each patch usually has a forum thread where you can find the author and discuss your proposed change to the patch with it's existing user base |
| 04:15.49 | Saijin_Naib | Okay, I'll go that route then. They'd be better for it than me anyway :D |
| 04:16.02 | rwhitby | most of them started the same way |
| 04:18.10 | Saijin_Naib | where should i put the webos 2.x appstore instruction wiki? |
| 04:22.47 | cryptk | somewhere on www.webos-internals.org |
| 04:22.51 | cryptk | come up with a good name for the page |
| 04:23.10 | Saijin_Naib | does it belong here? |
| 04:23.11 | Saijin_Naib | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS |
| 04:24.50 | Saijin_Naib | I don't get wikis, I find them obtuse so I really have no idea where it should go |
| 04:25.39 | VICODANAX | sup rwhitby |
| 04:25.40 | VICODANAX | how are things |
| 04:26.33 | rwhitby | Saijin_Naib: add a page under http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Research |
| 04:26.47 | Saijin_Naib | Thanks rwhitby. I will do so |
| 04:31.03 | Saijin_Naib | I do not have permission to make edits |
| 04:32.52 | dwc- | they'll need your wiki login to fix that |
| 04:33.13 | Saijin_Naib | Saijin_Naib, same as here |
| 04:33.18 | Saijin_Naib | who is the "they"? :P |
| 04:33.39 | rwhitby | Saijin_Naib: try now |
| 04:33.44 | dwc- | they = cryptk or rwhitby or whoever else is around that has access to fix that |
| 04:34.19 | cryptk | Saijin_Naib, did you sign up for an account on the wiki and confirm your email address? |
| 04:34.34 | Saijin_Naib | Thanks rwhitby! |
| 04:34.48 | Saijin_Naib | Cryptk, yep, did that just a few minutes ago. Rod fixed that up for me :) |
| 04:34.55 | cryptk | ahh, ok |
| 04:35.10 | Saijin_Naib | I'm submitting my patch tweak to Warlord for Dark System Devices first, and then I'll write up that wiki. I want to make sure I have lots of good screenshots |
| 04:35.37 | Saijin_Naib | I want to make it automated but I can't so I jsut have to document properly. Ah well, its a 5 minute process. Not the end of the world |
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| 04:44.05 | wrea | huh...so when i try rtp with pcm_input for the short crappy time it works I find out im getting input from the microphone on the tp |
| 04:50.14 | wrea | _output doesnt work though |
| 04:51.03 | Saijin_Naib | wtf, the .patch file fails in internalz. Is there a way to get internals to tell me what line its failing on like PreWare does? |
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| 05:06.57 | dukiedrew | Hi, does anyone have experience w/ the Binary Bluetooth patch? |
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| 05:10.37 | dukiedrew | I mentioned this in the #webos channel, but I'm trying to pull data from a bluetooth device. I've installed the patch, but I don't think it is coming as binary |
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| 05:11.58 | dukiedrew | and in my data I get a lot of "239 191 189", which happens when a value is above a certain limit |
| 05:13.14 | Saijin_Naib | is there anyway to get a patch from preware downloaded onto my comptuer to edit? |
| 05:13.23 | Saijin_Naib | this one I want to edit has no forum page for it |
| 05:19.17 | rwhitby | https://github.com/webos-internals/patches |
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| 05:22.40 | Saijin_Naib | rwhitby, you're my hero :D |
| 05:43.08 | Saijin_Naib | is ANSI encoding wrong for webOS patches? |
| 05:48.15 | dukiedrew | It seems no matter the value of "encoding" that I put, I get the same results |
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| 05:57.51 | dwc- | "encoding" in what context |
| 05:59.49 | dukiedrew | Hey, so one of the patch's main changes was to add an encoding args |
| 06:00.23 | dukiedrew | ie for bluetooth read, this is in the command.js file: var result = assistant.readData(args.instanceId,args.dataLength,future,args.encoding||"utf8"); |
| 06:02.20 | dukiedrew | and so that goes to the assistant, where there is this line: |
| 06:02.47 | dukiedrew | fs.read( rxHandle, dataLength , null , encoding , function( err , str , bytesRead ){ |
| 06:03.28 | dukiedrew | yet the documentation for fs.read is confusing: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.12/api/fs.html |
| 06:03.42 | dukiedrew | fs.read(fd, buffer, offset, length, position, [callback]) |
| 06:03.52 | dukiedrew | why is encoding in the "length" place? |
| 06:10.42 | dukiedrew | link to the patch: https://github.com/webos-internals/patches/blob/webos-3.0.4/system/system-binary-bluetooth-patch.patch |
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| 06:34.44 | wrea | sconix, figured out that setting rate= and format= when trying rtp doesnt flood my network |
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| 07:26.35 | wrea | rwhitby, having two different versions of the same package should be okay as long as they're for different webos version, right? |
| 07:27.06 | rwhitby | they'd need to be in two different feeds for people to use them |
| 07:27.11 | rwhitby | like patches are |
| 07:28.36 | wrea | ah |
| 07:30.52 | wrea | thanks |
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| 08:03.01 | dukiedrew | success! |
| 08:03.17 | dukiedrew | encoding: "binary" worked |
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| 08:16.03 | wrea | i guess i can give them all slightly different names and sort it out like that |
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| 08:34.02 | rwhitby | wrea: slightly different names, and MinWebOSVersion and MaxWebOSVersion on each |
| 08:34.13 | rwhitby | then people will only see one in Preware |
| 08:34.28 | rwhitby | could actually have the same name for all of them, but different appIds |
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| 08:54.10 | wrea | rwhitby, easy to change that. Thanks |
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| 15:03.08 | ice8lue | hey guys |
| 15:03.32 | ice8lue | one question: are there really no differences between webOS 2.2.0 and 2.2.3 on Pre3 |
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| 16:48.56 | grep_awesome | "halfhalo left the room (quit: Excess Flood)."... seems to be a problem with halos |
| 16:50.18 | halfhalo | Sometimes my laptop gets ansy when it wakes from sleep and connects over wifi, and then connects over usb gigabit right after |
| 16:52.13 | grep_awesome | haha... well at least it is the flood |
| 16:57.18 | grep_awesome | *isn't |
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| 20:53.57 | b-man` | hello, I'm not sure if anyone here would know this, but does anyone know if the cy8ctma395 multitouch driver in the hp touchpad use the standard A/B type protocol or a protocol of it's own? |
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| 20:59.36 | b-man` | ...I think i'll just ask the cyanogenmod people :\ |
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