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| 04:10.17 | wrea | sconix, looks like any dbus modules for node.js i can find are for 0.4 and up |
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| 04:18.26 | rwhitby | wrea: touchpad has 0.4.12, no? |
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| 04:23.35 | wrea | rwhitby, yeah, but i thought a mojo version for older devices was planned for pulseaudio settings |
| 04:23.54 | rwhitby | dunnos |
| 04:24.35 | netrider | How do you find the linux command line on a Palm Pre 3 |
| 04:25.25 | netrider | I'm looking at some instructions that tell me to find "Tools" in Preware |
| 04:25.37 | netrider | But I can't find any "Tools" |
| 04:25.54 | rwhitby | netrider: install Xecutah from Preware |
| 04:25.55 | wrea | well, its on the TODO at least |
| 04:26.41 | netrider | ty |
| 04:27.52 | halfhalo | you could bundle another node executable with mojo versions for older devices and use something like dnode to talk between the system and bundled |
| 04:29.07 | wrea | i figured something like that was possible |
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| 04:36.28 | andrew_in_co | Hi, I'm trying to remove any sort of on screen notification when you push the physical volume keys on my touchpad. |
| 04:36.49 | andrew_in_co | i've discovered the actual images in /usr/palm/sysmgr/images |
| 04:37.01 | andrew_in_co | and i changed the appropriate ones to just be transparent |
| 04:37.13 | andrew_in_co | however, I'm still left with a gray box |
| 04:37.41 | andrew_in_co | my next thought is to search the device for references to these image files, ie "bell_off.png" |
| 04:38.17 | andrew_in_co | but grepping is taking forever...does anyone have any idea where on the device references to these images might be? |
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| 05:04.20 | summatusmentis | how do I send special characters that aren't on my pre keyboard to xterm? |
| 05:04.39 | summatusmentis | specifically { and } |
| 05:06.53 | dwc- | xterm? you don't |
| 05:07.57 | summatusmentis | you can actually, sym+h |
| 05:08.56 | summatusmentis | except there's no close :-/ |
| 05:09.50 | dwc- | actually I think I have the old xterm stuff |
| 05:10.00 | dwc- | so I have it on sym y/u |
| 05:10.32 | summatusmentis | that's [] here |
| 05:16.10 | netrider | rwhitby: OK ... I installed Xecutah. I'm not sure that I am putting the command line right. |
| 05:16.16 | summatusmentis | there, hopefully now I got rid of voice dial |
| 05:16.21 | summatusmentis | that thing is annoying |
| 05:16.24 | netrider | I keep getting and error |
| 05:16.26 | summatusmentis | especially when you wear tight pants |
| 05:16.28 | netrider | an |
| 05:17.11 | netrider | I am trying to get skype account to show on my unlocked Pre 3 |
| 05:17.25 | netrider | I got the right file, I think ... |
| 05:18.11 | netrider | I am using the following command from Xterm ipkg -force-depends install /media/internal/com.palm.app.skype_1.1-8.3_armv7.ipk |
| 05:19.44 | dwc- | which pre3 do you have, and what was it activated on |
| 05:20.21 | netrider | I have the unlocked ATT Pre 3 activated on ATT |
| 05:20.33 | dwc- | then you should just get skype out of the app catalog |
| 05:20.45 | netrider | nope |
| 05:20.59 | netrider | not there ... but let me look again |
| 05:21.30 | dwc- | http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.skype |
| 05:21.36 | dwc- | go there from your phone |
| 05:21.50 | dwc- | what does it say |
| 05:24.33 | netrider | application not available |
| 05:24.43 | netrider | for your carrier |
| 05:25.01 | dwc- | did you get this phone new in box, never activated? |
| 05:25.18 | netrider | yes |
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| 05:25.33 | netrider | and I put that file in my root directory already |
| 05:25.47 | dwc- | and you activated it with an AT&T SIM the first time? |
| 05:25.51 | netrider | I tried to activate it using preware |
| 05:26.14 | netrider | then I tried the above linux commandline |
| 05:26.28 | netrider | bubkus |
| 05:26.35 | rwhitby | preware does not activate phones |
| 05:27.09 | netrider | no it was activated with the simcard from my Palm Veer |
| 05:27.17 | netrider | on ATT |
| 05:27.42 | dwc- | that's interesting... |
| 05:27.46 | netrider | but it's running WebOS 2.2.0 |
| 05:29.08 | netrider | I've been following the instructions from http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/303094-installing-skype-att-pre-3-a.html |
| 05:29.23 | andrew_in_co | w/ my pre3 I couldn't find skype in app catalog either |
| 05:29.33 | andrew_in_co | but i followed the instructions by modifying the doctor file |
| 05:29.37 | andrew_in_co | and that worked |
| 05:29.47 | andrew_in_co | [at&t pre3 too] |
| 05:29.55 | dwc- | andrew_in_co: was yours -first- activated with an AT&T sim card in it too? |
| 05:30.51 | andrew_in_co | good point |
| 05:30.52 | andrew_in_co | no |
| 05:30.55 | andrew_in_co | I used T-mobile |
| 05:31.04 | dwc- | amongst me and 2 friends, 3 pre3s... one first-activated on TMO, the other two on AT&T sims... only the TMO one can't get it in the catalog |
| 05:31.44 | rwhitby | run impostah, check app catalog -> show device info |
| 05:32.03 | rwhitby | I bet carrierId is "1" for those that can get it, and something else for those that cannot. |
| 05:32.34 | netrider | where is impostah |
| 05:32.39 | rwhitby | in preware |
| 05:32.41 | dwc- | that's my guess as well |
| 05:33.10 | rwhitby | mine's not a guess ;) |
| 05:33.58 | netrider | installing impostah |
| 05:34.19 | andrew_in_co | carrierId = 66 |
| 05:34.58 | netrider | carrierid 66 |
| 05:35.32 | dwc- | sounds like netrider didn't get a never-activated new in box then |
| 05:35.46 | netrider | wow |
| 05:35.55 | rwhitby | so as far as HP is concerned, you don't have an AT&T Pre 3, you have a Pre 3 activated on another carrier |
| 05:36.31 | netrider | so can I get skype? |
| 05:36.40 | dwc- | yes, but not from the catalog |
| 05:36.49 | andrew_in_co | if you follow the doctor approach, yes |
| 05:37.04 | dwc- | or you can use ipkg to install it as well (that's what I did) |
| 05:37.59 | netrider | I only put one ipk file in the root directory |
| 05:38.08 | netrider | I should put the other in there, right? |
| 05:38.29 | netrider | and run ipkg to install it |
| 05:38.49 | dwc- | I honestly don't remember |
| 05:39.26 | dwc- | and I never reinstalled sshd and don't have a cable handy at the moment to check |
| 05:39.41 | netrider | skype-download_1.0-2_armv7.ipk |
| 05:40.00 | summatusmentis | did the veer ever get T2S? |
| 05:40.12 | dwc- | if you hack 2.2 onto it |
| 05:40.23 | summatusmentis | is there a way to do this? |
| 05:40.35 | summatusmentis | let me rephrase, where do I find the way to do this? |
| 05:40.35 | dwc- | not a 100% safe way |
| 05:40.38 | summatusmentis | oh? |
| 05:40.50 | dwc- | requires some firmware updating |
| 05:40.55 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 05:41.03 | summatusmentis | that sounds potentially bad |
| 05:41.38 | dwc- | btw, if anyone can find some "social media" contacts for skype people, let me know... I found some guy who used to, but other than that, all I've got is low-level customer support that sends me form replies re: skype on pre3s |
| 05:41.43 | summatusmentis | so what you're saying is I shouldn't cancel my sprint contract just to get T2S |
| 05:42.04 | dwc- | I've found T2S to be neat at first, but a little underwhelming afterwards |
| 05:42.21 | dwc- | it's neat seeing it open the browser window on the other, but then you realize that's pretty much all it can do |
| 05:42.34 | andrew_in_co | does anyone know if the rounded rectangle behind the volume icon is an image, or something drawn? |
| 05:42.43 | summatusmentis | I thought there was a way to extend this |
| 05:43.00 | dwc- | ... and then there's the times you put your phone down on your touchpad and it T2S's when you didn't really want it to |
| 05:43.08 | summatusmentis | hah |
| 05:44.11 | dwc- | also, I think T2S would be neater if it didn't pair two phones together and then mark them to share your address book |
| 05:44.52 | summatusmentis | it pairs phones also? |
| 05:44.59 | dwc- | yep |
| 05:45.14 | summatusmentis | interesting |
| 05:45.18 | dwc- | so not so useful for sharing with friends if you have to then go un-BT pair them afterwards |
| 05:45.43 | summatusmentis | I'm so upset that webOS phones won't exist moving forward :-/ |
| 05:46.18 | dwc- | anyways, htere's a forum thread on precentral that covers the veer 2.2.3 and 2.2.4 |
| 05:46.27 | dwc- | if you want to do the background reading |
| 05:46.34 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 05:46.42 | summatusmentis | intriguing |
| 05:47.03 | bnceo | oh the Veer |
| 05:47.07 | bnceo | how I love that phone |
| 05:47.51 | summatusmentis | I should try the simple mobile 2 week plan |
| 05:48.06 | summatusmentis | oh wait, that's not data |
| 05:50.50 | dwc- | so many doctors on this computer, but none for the pre3 |
| 05:50.57 | dwc- | needs to update novacom drivers |
| 05:52.59 | netrider | another pre3 patient here ... |
| 05:53.29 | netrider | I keep trying to run the commandline to install my skype account but i keep getting an error |
| 05:53.40 | netrider | value 22 |
| 05:53.51 | netrider | it is in my root directory |
| 05:53.59 | netrider | on the Pre3 |
| 05:55.23 | bnceo | I thought Skype was in the app catalog |
| 05:55.34 | bnceo | and if you got a euro pre3, can be downloaded via Impostah |
| 05:55.44 | bnceo | unless it's only on AT&T Pre3s |
| 05:55.51 | dwc- | it is in the app catalog for everyone but AT&T pre3s activated on non-AT&T networks |
| 05:55.54 | dwc- | I think |
| 05:56.03 | netrider | I think what I go |
| 05:56.08 | bnceo | ah. IC IC. Yeah, I activated on AT&T |
| 05:56.32 | bnceo | funny thing is that Skype isn't even really an app |
| 05:56.38 | bnceo | just more options for synergy |
| 05:56.43 | bnceo | anyways, bedtime. gnite |
| 05:57.06 | bnceo | is hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst (from HP's shindig tomorrow) |
| 05:57.09 | netrider | it's a unlocked Pre3 on ATT but carrierId of 66 |
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| 07:23.19 | mizerable | Just got an update notification for webOS 2.2.4 on a pre 2. Does anyone know if there is a change list? |
| 07:24.06 | wrea | not that I know of |
| 07:26.54 | dwc- | what carrier are you on? |
| 07:27.26 | dwc- | pulls up system updates on his pre2 |
| 07:27.27 | dwc- | waits |
| 07:27.40 | dwc- | nada |
| 07:27.58 | dwc- | and which pre2 do you have |
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| 07:29.31 | panel | hello |
| 07:29.33 | mizerable | O2 uk. it's an EU unlocked |
| 07:30.00 | dwc- | interesting :) |
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| 08:09.39 | rwhitby | 2 x Pre 2 updating here |
| 08:09.54 | wrea | nice |
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| 08:11.10 | dwc- | pokes his pre2 again |
| 08:11.28 | dwc- | will be sure to try out the new features in HP webOS 2.1 |
| 08:20.01 | EricBlade | doesn't look like NA unlockeds are very good to have right now |
| 08:20.22 | dwc- | worst case, we can masquerade them as EU |
| 08:22.50 | dwc- | remembers why he tends to avoid forums... skimming/catching up on the webos 2.2.3/veer thread... so many people who really have no idea what they're doing... probably shouldn't be trying even |
| 08:23.01 | wrea | yeah... |
| 08:24.38 | dwc- | so many idiots posting, I want to smack them |
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| 08:27.14 | wrea | no shortage of idiots on the internet, unfortunately |
| 08:34.06 | rwhitby | dwc-: that why I never post raw instructions like that on a PreCentral thread |
| 08:37.51 | dwc- | clueless, oddly desperate, ... not a good combination |
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| 08:44.19 | EricBlade | rwhitby: you had a look at the goods yet? |
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| 08:59.35 | panel | rwhitby if you will update yours pre2 |
| 08:59.53 | panel | do you will have access to new webos doctor ? |
| 09:00.57 | panel | via http://www.hpwebos.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/deviceselector_en.html |
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| 09:05.50 | EricBlade | my big question, is did they move a bunch of the builtins into the cryptofs as they were talking about doing? |
| 09:07.32 | panel | I have tried to download webos doctor from hp page |
| 09:07.32 | panel | webOS® Doctor™ for Palm® Pre 2 for EU. Build EU.109.108, webOS 2.1.0 |
| 09:07.44 | panel | no change |
| 09:07.59 | panel | maybe users with updated phones |
| 09:08.10 | panel | will have access to new 2.2.4 webosdoctor |
| 09:09.30 | panel | EricBlade this will be interesting |
| 09:09.44 | panel | about that cryptofs |
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| 09:35.46 | threezero | how much do you guys thinki shoud pay for a used pre2 right now? |
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| 10:09.14 | lm | patches |
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| 10:11.04 | lm | how to reinstall webos patches after webos update installation? |
| 10:11.07 | EricBlade | threezero_: i just got an awesome deal on one with a bunch of stuff with it for $50.. when i looked on the net before hand i was seeing them for 150-200 |
| 10:11.22 | EricBlade | lm: well, first you'll need to wait for the patches to get updated |
| 10:12.11 | lm | did you mean to be available for update? |
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| 10:25.08 | rwhitby | panel: doctor often trails by a day or two |
| 10:44.45 | panel | ok |
| 10:44.47 | panel | thanks |
| 10:57.56 | EricBlade | if this isn't showing for US by a few minutes after 6, i'm out |
| 11:01.57 | panel | "No Skype added in the EU version :(" |
| 11:01.59 | panel | from forum |
| 11:02.33 | panel | this is crazy |
| 11:03.01 | panel | have somebody solution how to enroll skype on webos ? |
| 11:03.12 | panel | i need skypechat only |
| 11:03.52 | EricBlade | be very careful with it if you get it working, and you do any groupchats. i had a situation where i was private messaging someone that i was also in a group chat with, and everything i sent to them private ended up on the group chat. |
| 11:04.16 | panel | ah |
| 11:07.06 | EricBlade | Data At Rest Encryption? |
| 11:09.08 | panel | i'm not success with updating to 2.2.4, question to rwhitby |
| 11:09.39 | rwhitby | EricBlade: cryptofs on db8 stuff, just like touchpad |
| 11:09.55 | rwhitby | emails, attachments, etc |
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| 16:22.04 | summatusmentis | if I receive the option to update to 2.2.4 on my sprintified frankenpre2, should I do it? will it break things? |
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| 16:56.15 | EricBlade1 | i'd try it because hey there's nothing i like more than being a test dummy. and i'd assume you could probably re-doctor it |
| 16:57.24 | EricBlade1 | other people would probably say "dear god, no, what are you, insane?" |
| 17:02.06 | summatusmentis | I'm not expecting I'll get the option |
| 17:02.08 | summatusmentis | but who knows |
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| 17:24.28 | dwc- | I'd totally do it |
| 17:24.42 | dwc- | well, I guess it depends... is that your primary phone |
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| 18:34.58 | dtzWill | http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html?mtxs=rss-corp-news ??! |
| 18:34.59 | dtzWill | hahaha |
| 18:35.14 | dtzWill | they're open-sourcing webos?!? |
| 18:35.15 | wrea | I wasnt expecting it |
| 18:35.29 | dtzWill | about as -internals as it gets xD :D |
| 18:36.54 | jtrucks | sweet! |
| 18:37.29 | wrea | give me the source nao |
| 18:38.33 | dtzWill | checks opensource.palm.com :P |
| 18:40.15 | jcsullins | is waiting to see what dtzWill finds ... :) |
| 18:40.34 | dtzWill | xD |
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| 18:40.47 | dwc- | there's no way the remaining source will be out already |
| 18:40.51 | dwc- | the lawyers haven't gotten paid yet :p |
| 18:41.02 | wrea | :P |
| 18:41.19 | stalane | News just in: HP making webOS open source |
| 18:41.25 | dwc- | they're going to have to go through to make sure there's no non-HP (e.g. licensed from other companies) code in there |
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| 18:41.54 | jtrucks | stalane: dude... soooo 6 minutes ago news |
| 18:41.57 | jtrucks | and left. |
| 18:41.58 | jtrucks | sighs |
| 18:42.03 | dwc- | 6? more like 9 |
| 18:43.33 | jtrucks | and counting :P |
| 18:44.05 | DThought | 9 minutes old? |
| 18:44.07 | DThought | woa *G* |
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| 18:49.39 | hemna | yup, just saw email from Meg...Webos = OSS |
| 18:49.41 | hemna | w00t |
| 18:52.18 | dwc- | oh yea, yer an hper |
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| 18:53.33 | joem_work | WHAT DOES IT ALL MEANNNNNN |
| 18:54.27 | jtrucks | it means Meg Whitman realises that HP should never have bought Palm and now she's trying to save some face |
| 18:54.38 | jtrucks | and cleanup her predeccessor's mess :P |
| 18:54.39 | stalane | someone better call rwhitby. he would appreciate an early wake up call |
| 18:55.42 | rwhitby | been away for over an hour :) |
| 18:55.47 | rwhitby | s/away/awake/ |
| 18:56.21 | EricBlade | wonders what rwhitby's thoughts are |
| 18:56.23 | joem_work | hehe |
| 18:56.27 | stalane | lol |
| 18:57.17 | stalane | rwhitby: your life just got a whole lot easier/harder ;-) |
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| 18:57.32 | DougReeder | waves hello |
| 18:58.56 | DougReeder | Hey, I haven't had much reason to look at the kernel so far. What should I be looking at in an ARM touchscreen netbook to port webOS to? |
| 19:01.05 | DougReeder | Do I need to know what video chips a netbook uses, or can video drivers for most things be found? |
| 19:01.28 | dtzWill | DougReeder: well worst case you can probably do something slow but functional |
| 19:01.35 | dtzWill | and that'd get luna up and whatnot |
| 19:01.42 | DougReeder | Hmmm, slow is bad. |
| 19:01.59 | EricBlade | well now rwhitby and all the other super hackers in this community could potentially make some serious bank for the work they've done. |
| 19:02.01 | dtzWill | but i think you'll find most devices have workable video drivers, imo |
| 19:02.09 | DougReeder | What else should I be checking beforehand? |
| 19:02.25 | dtzWill | esp if luna is based on qt--qtembedded should run on a bunch of stuff |
| 19:03.33 | DougReeder | Do I need to be looking into what kind of touchscreen, beyond capacitive? |
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| 19:04.12 | rwhitby | EricBlade: what would you see as a business model that makes serious bank? |
| 19:04.34 | dtzWill | i should probably make it clear i'm mostly musing--i'd naively expect one could with sufficient effort make most hardware combinations work, provided they do have some nature of linux drivers |
| 19:05.25 | EricBlade | rwhitby: i don't know at the moment. |
| 19:05.45 | EricBlade | it does at the very least open the possibility of a lot of new potential jobs, if there were hardware people that needed webos expertise |
| 19:06.14 | EricBlade | or any other people that needed expertise in the internals |
| 19:06.44 | dwc- | looks at all the linux kernel people making bank because of it |
| 19:06.47 | dwc- | oh wait... |
| 19:06.52 | rwhitby | EricBlade: oh, right. yes paying full time jobs are always there, but most of the WebOS Internals folks already have full time jobs :) |
| 19:07.24 | stalane | lol. im still here guys. since 1993 (wheres the bank?) |
| 19:07.31 | EricBlade | dwc-: there are a whole lot of people who are employed solely because of Linux existing |
| 19:07.38 | joem_work | rofl @ dwc- |
| 19:09.25 | EricBlade | rwhitby: there are definitely a lot of new doors. i doubt i would even be a professional programmer had it not been for Unreal going free a couple of years ago. |
| 19:12.12 | stalane | im just hoping to get skype working on my pixi's :-) |
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| 19:14.30 | geist | oh nice. open source |
| 19:14.40 | geist | then i can dig through bootie and novacom and use some codez there |
| 19:14.50 | geist | assuming they open source those bits |
| 19:15.27 | dwc- | there are people who are employed doing linux things |
| 19:15.34 | dwc- | and they may have gotten their jobs because of their linux involvement |
| 19:15.47 | dwc- | but those types of people typically don't have trouble finding jobs in the first place |
| 19:16.05 | dwc- | and most of them had jobs to begin with |
| 19:16.19 | stalane | dwc your right of course. not that i want a job |
| 19:17.15 | grep_awesome | i hope some hardware manufacturers pick it up before the code goes stale |
| 19:17.19 | stalane | the only way i can see anyone making any money (other than going to work) is making apps. no different than yesterday |
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| 19:17.48 | grep_awesome | from what I read, it doesn't look like the webos gbu will continue development much longer, so either it gets picked up on some devices and dev continues, or it will die a slow death |
| 19:18.34 | stalane | HP says dev will continue. |
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| 19:18.58 | jtrucks | the official press release indicates HP will still have people coding for it |
| 19:19.04 | stalane | but i bet they don't fire any lawyers :-) |
| 19:19.06 | dtzWill | grep_awesome: well we can always help increase the number of devices that can run webos O:) |
| 19:19.13 | dwc- | they'll probably manage the "official" tree |
| 19:19.19 | grep_awesome | dtzWill: yeah I'm excited about that |
| 19:19.37 | grep_awesome | dtzWill: I'm already thinking about a car-puter on my hp mini 210 |
| 19:19.42 | grep_awesome | with navit |
| 19:19.48 | dwc- | what'll be neat, but really unexpected, is if we can get the docs on their A6 and the other hardware specs |
| 19:20.48 | dtzWill | LOL http://twitter.com/#!/maryjofoley/status/145220809521250305 (and convo leading to it) |
| 19:21.00 | dtzWill | Humorous timing re:#webos :) RT @maryjofoley Microsoft to allow open source apps in Windows 8 Store: zd.net/vrKwbL #windows8 |
| 19:21.09 | dtzWill | response: @wdtz Yes... funny how that happened ;) |
| 19:22.25 | DougReeder | Chromebooks - is their source code open source? |
| 19:23.38 | stalane | DougReeder: Not open |
| 19:23.44 | grep_awesome | DougReeder: sorta http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os |
| 19:23.45 | DougReeder | Bummer. |
| 19:24.01 | stalane | Samsung have closed the hardware spec |
| 19:24.17 | DougReeder | What about Acre? |
| 19:24.33 | DougReeder | Acer, that is. |
| 19:24.45 | stalane | Dunno. There is a french outfit that plays opensource..... |
| 19:24.57 | stalane | thinking of the name :-) |
| 19:25.08 | stalane | Archos |
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| 19:26.53 | jrabbit | DougReeder: chromeos is mostly FOSS I don't know what isn't |
| 19:26.54 | dtzWill | destinal: haha hey! :) |
| 19:27.13 | destinal | dtzWill: OSS webos eh? Is this your fault? |
| 19:27.14 | destinal | :P |
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| 19:28.09 | dtzWill | destinal: i wish i could claim that :) |
| 19:28.13 | DougReeder | Sorry to ask so many question, but I'm trying to reduce my search space. |
| 19:28.37 | destinal | has been lost in design and assembly of lots of open hardware circuit boards and things for weeks, just realized how long it had been since he'd been around here |
| 19:28.48 | stalane | well ive got to go. congrats where its due! im getting a gsm pixi and a veer next week so ill be back :D |
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| 19:31.12 | stalane | http://t.co/ozmUuDdY FAQ |
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| 19:31.56 | DougReeder | Wait, Chromebooks use a touchpad, not a touchscreen? |
| 19:32.15 | grep_awesome | yep |
| 19:32.20 | grep_awesome | they are netbooks more or less |
| 19:33.33 | DougReeder | Drat. |
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| 19:45.53 | azalyn | holy SHIT, i just heard about the opensourcing of webos news. |
| 19:45.57 | azalyn | :O |
| 19:47.11 | azalyn | i feel like an idiot for not getting an hp touchpad now |
| 19:47.21 | azalyn | not that i've even seen them anywhere.. |
| 19:49.35 | destinal | just in time for the refurb firesale |
| 19:50.55 | azalyn | i'm in canada, not sure if they will be around over here. :( |
| 19:51.12 | azalyn | not even sure if they were available last time in canada. |
| 19:51.46 | tdo | we'll have to check which is the license and whether all what's needed is opensourced. I wish it revives the development on the platform! |
| 19:52.23 | azalyn | i would guess either GPL, LGPL, or BSDL. or a combination of those. |
| 19:53.12 | azalyn | this will be great for my palm pre though. i have a first gen one. |
| 19:53.21 | DougReeder | Do I ned special permission to create a page on webos-internals? |
| 19:53.28 | azalyn | has anyone had random reboots with theirs? |
| 19:53.44 | azalyn | mine just seems to shut down at random.. with the battery completely charged. |
| 19:53.46 | azalyn | not sure why |
| 19:54.06 | scoutcamper | DougReeder, on the wiki? yes. |
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| 19:54.18 | azalyn | hopefully it's not a hardware problem. |
| 19:54.52 | azalyn | maybe you guys can do crazy stuff now, like use systemd |
| 19:54.59 | tdo | looking forward... means we can create an alternate launcher to e.g. get the smaller icons we could have in 1.4.5.... |
| 19:55.25 | azalyn | i'm looking forward to seeing performance enhancements and such |
| 19:55.27 | halfhalo | and crankshaft in node! |
| 19:55.51 | azalyn | and architectural changes to make the whole system more reliable and snappy. |
| 19:57.15 | DougReeder | What's the procedure to create a new wiki page? |
| 19:57.25 | tdo | what i'd like is a faster browser. i've been looking at netsurf web browser for a light alternative, or get a new webkit based (using qt/qml might be easy)... prefox was a nice try, too bad it didn't get continued |
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| 19:58.10 | azalyn | if firefox would hurry up and finish their multiprocess stuff.. they could be a viable competitor to webkit. |
| 19:58.16 | azalyn | and might even be much better. |
| 19:58.27 | rwhitby | DougReeder: create an account, get it approved, edit. |
| 19:58.47 | DougReeder | got an account, how do i get it approved? |
| 19:59.00 | azalyn | firefox already has improved *performance* but these are pure benchmark numbers.. in the real world it's still less user responsive.. because the whole thing lags when it's busy doing something. |
| 20:00.29 | scoutcamper | DougReeder, ask rwhitby to approve you |
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| 20:00.53 | AMR-1 | rwhitby: ? for HP - can you give an example of "HP expects that making webOS open source will accelerate the development of the webOS platform and application ecosystem..."? - ie, Netflix or any of the many other Top 100 Apps we are currently doing withou |
| 20:00.53 | AMR-1 | t... |
| 20:00.58 | Mousey | holy crap! |
| 20:01.02 | Mousey | open source? |
| 20:01.10 | Mousey | i just got the link |
| 20:01.12 | Mousey | http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html |
| 20:01.14 | azalyn | DougReeder: you must give rwhitby ... a shrubbery. |
| 20:01.18 | Saijin_Naib | i know |
| 20:01.21 | DougReeder | Ni! |
| 20:01.22 | Mousey | passes out champaigne and cookies |
| 20:01.23 | Saijin_Naib | its crazy. First impressions anyone? |
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| 20:01.39 | Syco54645_work | just read the news |
| 20:01.41 | Syco54645_work | happy |
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| 20:02.31 | azalyn | lolz, everyone is coming in here for the news. |
| 20:02.46 | DougReeder | rwhitby, my wiki account is reeder.29 I've made a few small contributuins in the past. |
| 20:02.47 | azalyn | now i feel silly. there must've been like 50 other people before me |
| 20:03.11 | Syco54645_work | iwill be interested to see where it goes |
| 20:03.18 | rwhitby | DougReeder: done |
| 20:03.19 | Syco54645_work | hopefully new devices emerge |
| 20:03.27 | DThought | now the real question is - who will be make ne webos hardware... |
| 20:03.33 | halfhalo | HP |
| 20:03.37 | DThought | (and who will fix my palm pre3 with broken screen) |
| 20:03.43 | DougReeder | rwhitby Thank you! |
| 20:03.44 | destinal | AMR-1: it being open source will put webos on a lot of devices which should drive up contributions both to the core OS and to apps and so on |
| 20:04.00 | Syco54645_work | destinal!!!!! i need webos on my nc |
| 20:04.02 | halfhalo | They just said there is a good chance of new tablets. Maybe not in '12 though |
| 20:04.10 | Mousey | yAY!!! WebOS on FREERUNNERS! |
| 20:04.12 | Mousey | :D |
| 20:04.17 | linuxjacques | Syco54645_work: me too! |
| 20:04.19 | destinal | Syco54645_work: we've been planning it for a while but now we can even do it legally :) |
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| 20:04.37 | azalyn | i have a first gen pre. i'm hoping some fixes go in for better performance/responsiveness |
| 20:04.43 | destinal | only problem is code will take a while to release |
| 20:04.43 | Syco54645_work | destinal: i suppose any device out there will allow it |
| 20:04.48 | Syco54645_work | well within reason |
| 20:04.53 | linuxjacques | webos on my samsung galaxy S II !! well, maybe not for a while |
| 20:05.08 | destinal | Syco54645_work: if the target hardware's not locked down too much |
| 20:05.09 | Syco54645_work | webos on my thunderbolt would be nice |
| 20:05.18 | Syco54645_work | destinal: exactly |
| 20:05.27 | Saijin_Naib | I'm excited to see about getting the latest/greatest webOS versions on the backlevel devices |
| 20:05.30 | rwhitby | Mousey: :) |
| 20:05.31 | Syco54645_work | didnt you get it mostly booting on the nook color? |
| 20:05.40 | Saijin_Naib | webOS 2.3.x on a Pixi+? Hell yes thank you |
| 20:05.53 | Mousey | rwhitby: big hug |
| 20:06.00 | linuxjacques | howdy Mousey |
| 20:06.00 | azalyn | by the way, does the hp touchpad have usb? |
| 20:06.02 | destinal | Syco54645_work: all the way booting except the GUI binary |
| 20:06.04 | Mousey | hi y'all |
| 20:06.09 | Mousey | linuxjacques: i got a touchpad |
| 20:06.09 | azalyn | maybe it would make a good irc machine |
| 20:06.10 | Saijin_Naib | yes of course it has usb |
| 20:06.14 | Mousey | it won't be running android |
| 20:06.17 | Saijin_Naib | are you asking if it has USB host? that i dont know |
| 20:06.17 | Syco54645_work | destinal: shouldnt be hard now then |
| 20:06.18 | linuxjacques | Mousey: sweet |
| 20:06.28 | Mousey | linuxjacques: you gonna be at SCALE? |
| 20:06.36 | azalyn | i could shove irc on there, and use it instead of a netbook. |
| 20:06.39 | azalyn | with a smaller keyboard |
| 20:06.42 | linuxjacques | Mousey: absotively! |
| 20:06.46 | Mousey | yay!!! |
| 20:06.49 | azalyn | my laptop died yesterday :( |
| 20:06.53 | Mousey | i'm going again this year |
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| 20:06.55 | azalyn | and i was previously using it for irc |
| 20:07.09 | linuxjacques | Mousey: wanna work the booth? :-) |
| 20:07.10 | Saijin_Naib | i just use wIRC |
| 20:07.13 | Mousey | i've been out of community stuff all year this year. but '12 i'll be back on the scene |
| 20:07.18 | halfhalo | wants a full copy of webos source on a flash drive for scale |
| 20:07.21 | Mousey | linuxjacques: you'll have to share me with ka6sox |
| 20:07.22 | Mousey | =P |
| 20:07.30 | DougReeder | TouchPad has usb host but no power |
| 20:07.32 | Mousey | halfhalo: me too! |
| 20:07.37 | Mousey | DougReeder: yes please |
| 20:07.42 | Mousey | USB OTG! |
| 20:07.47 | linuxjacques | Mousey: I'm sure we can work something out |
| 20:07.51 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:08.02 | halfhalo | this will either end badly or awesomely |
| 20:08.13 | Saijin_Naib | probably both |
| 20:08.35 | DougReeder | ... or just trail off, that's usually what happens |
| 20:08.36 | halfhalo | last time scale ended in both I needed a new car door |
| 20:08.37 | tdo | GUI binary improvements... now possible! |
| 20:08.45 | destinal | halfhalo: you can have it in time for not this upcoming SCALE but the one after it probably |
| 20:08.53 | destinal | :P |
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| 20:09.05 | halfhalo | busts out his contact list |
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| 20:09.28 | Mousey | the whole destiny of newly open sourced projects ALWAYS comes down to how well the community supports the project.. and how well community management comes down from the parent of the project |
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| 20:10.13 | Mousey | the WebOS(-internals) community has been WAY MORE than a stellar steward, so it's up to HP to fsck up the future of WebOS by not encouraging merges and accepting pull requests and forcing people to quit or fork.. |
| 20:10.40 | halfhalo | knowing the people behind this, that shouldn't be an issue |
| 20:10.43 | Mousey | other than that, it's up to HP and friends to convince other HW manufacturers to provide support so more high profile software providers will provide software |
| 20:11.05 | AMR-1 | is keepin up with the Twitter stream : that is the first time I have heard Andreessen chime in! |
| 20:11.22 | Mousey | well there goes me getting anything done today |
| 20:12.25 | Mousey | AMR-1: whose feed? |
| 20:13.14 | Saijin_Naib | tdo, what improvements are those? Is that stuff like launcher tweaks in the 2.x devices because they use accelerated QT instead of just raw HTML? |
| 20:13.47 | AMR-1 | topolsky |
| 20:14.09 | EricBlade | hmm. well, if HP isn't going to put webOS on phones, I hope -someone- will |
| 20:14.48 | AMR-1 | rwhitby: ask HP where Ruby is in all this? |
| 20:15.54 | azalyn | like mousey said, i'm not worried about the community aspect. webos-internals has always been awesome. |
| 20:16.31 | azalyn | assuming hp actually gets the code out. the rest should be ok. |
| 20:16.54 | azalyn | even if they make it difficult regarding merges and so on, that's not a problem, webos-internals will likely have it's own repo. |
| 20:17.13 | Mousey | do we know what licensing yet? |
| 20:17.30 | linuxjacques | Mousey: nope |
| 20:17.31 | azalyn | merging back upstream isn't really that important. if hp wants that, then it's their responsibility to pull in the changes. |
| 20:17.41 | Mousey | k |
| 20:19.02 | azalyn | given that android is GPL/BSDL (linux kernel and userland respectively for the most part), and that hp is opensourcing webos likely to make it a better competitor to android.. |
| 20:19.13 | azalyn | i'm guessing we might see similar license choices |
| 20:20.10 | scoutcamper | im guessing GPL |
| 20:20.33 | azalyn | libraries would have to be LGPL. |
| 20:20.41 | azalyn | minimum. |
| 20:20.46 | Mousey | what's android? |
| 20:21.33 | AMR-1 | can't google pull code from webOS now too tho? |
| 20:21.49 | azalyn | not really. |
| 20:21.59 | azalyn | the two platforms are way too different. |
| 20:22.08 | azalyn | webos could use android stuff |
| 20:22.12 | Mousey | yah, dalvik is the whole thing, all they have is the kernel |
| 20:22.16 | azalyn | like alien dalvik for example. |
| 20:22.22 | azalyn | but not the other way around. |
| 20:22.24 | Mousey | webos is a whole damn linux distro with a custom GUI |
| 20:22.40 | azalyn | yeah, their gui is called 'luna' or something |
| 20:22.59 | Saijin_Naib | webOS gui? Luna. What is Dalvik |
| 20:23.11 | Mousey | dalvik is Googles JVM(tm) |
| 20:23.15 | azalyn | dalvik is the android virtual machine. |
| 20:23.17 | Mousey | everything runs inside of it |
| 20:23.28 | azalyn | not everything. they do have a native sdk now. |
| 20:23.42 | Saijin_Naib | Ahh, okay. Thanks for the clarification |
| 20:23.49 | Mousey | it's tacky |
| 20:23.51 | Mousey | we have cards, dammit |
| 20:23.55 | Mousey | waves fist |
| 20:23.57 | Mousey | o/ |
| 20:24.00 | azalyn | "alien dalvik" is a port of dalvik to other non-android platforms. |
| 20:24.13 | Mousey | i wish we had a jvm tho.. that'd be nice, i could play minecraft |
| 20:24.17 | Saijin_Naib | Hey, does anyone think that the HP Wave launcher with the "stacks" will be able to be created now that we have OS content? |
| 20:24.18 | Mousey | ducks! |
| 20:24.34 | Mousey | good question |
| 20:24.37 | Saijin_Naib | I would LOVE to be able to use that. There is nothing that can beat the multitasking and ease of use of webOS + gesture area. Its unstoppable |
| 20:24.38 | Mousey | it makes me think |
| 20:24.41 | Brybry | I wonder if hp had to pay microsoft a tax to use webos in their devices like android manufacturers have to |
| 20:24.47 | azalyn | the jvm is not binary-compatible with sun's jvm |
| 20:24.47 | Mousey | does this mean we can finally get the HP catalog back in preware? |
| 20:24.52 | azalyn | well.. oracle's |
| 20:25.06 | azalyn | oracle jvm is stack based |
| 20:25.08 | Saijin_Naib | Mousey, this may sound stupid, but what was the advantage of having the HP app catalogue in PreWare? |
| 20:25.12 | azalyn | dalvik is register based |
| 20:25.32 | Mousey | Saijin_Naib: i don't have to have/open both app catalogues, i can reach them all from preware |
| 20:25.34 | Mousey | even the pay stuff |
| 20:25.38 | Mousey | it was way more convenient |
| 20:25.50 | Mousey | plus preware is a better app |
| 20:26.01 | azalyn | i'm still on webos 1.5 i think.. |
| 20:26.10 | azalyn | since bell in canada hasn't sent the upgrade. |
| 20:26.16 | Saijin_Naib | 1.4.5 you mean :P |
| 20:26.25 | azalyn | i'm curious, is webos 2 faster? |
| 20:26.27 | Saijin_Naib | Okay, thanks Mousey. |
| 20:26.33 | azalyn | Saijin_Naib: yeah, sorry |
| 20:26.47 | Mousey | is a helper! |
| 20:27.02 | Saijin_Naib | Azalyn, I think it depends upon the hardware. I think its heavy on the 256mb RAM devices, but that may be less of an issue now that we have kernel sources |
| 20:27.05 | Mousey | i have sprint, so i'm stuck on 1.4.5, too |
| 20:27.11 | Mousey | but my touchpad isn't! ^_^ |
| 20:27.37 | AMR-1 | brybry: palms patents predate everyone else's |
| 20:27.46 | Saijin_Naib | Wait, will we now be able to have Palm Profiles greater than the latest Doctor version? Like, I can use a OpenSource 2.x version on my Pixi and actualyl be able to purchase 2.x apps? |
| 20:27.50 | azalyn | well, webos-internals has detailed how you can force an upgrade i believe. |
| 20:27.58 | azalyn | but i've been afraid to try it |
| 20:28.03 | Mousey | can i run my own Palm Profile server FINALLY?? |
| 20:28.19 | AMR-1 | Mousey: you should frankenpre2... well worth it |
| 20:28.30 | Mousey | it's creepy to save my personal data on a company i don't work for's servers |
| 20:28.34 | Saijin_Naib | Speaking of Pre2, does anyone want a GSM pre2? |
| 20:28.35 | Mousey | AMR-1: i've read about that just recently |
| 20:29.09 | azalyn | in canada rogers is the only gsm company :\ |
| 20:29.25 | azalyn | i would like a 'world phone', but i don't want rogers. |
| 20:29.36 | azalyn | not that bell is that much better of course |
| 20:29.36 | Mousey | rogers rapes american roamers |
| 20:29.38 | azalyn | sigh. |
| 20:29.49 | AMR-1 | sanijin_Naib: put it on ebay they go for about $100 |
| 20:29.53 | azalyn | all of them are moving to LTE though |
| 20:29.54 | Mousey | now we need an open source cell network.. like the mexican drug gang had |
| 20:29.58 | azalyn | so the future might be better |
| 20:30.13 | Mousey | WiMAX is an open standerd, LTE isn't |
| 20:30.15 | rwhitby | Mousey: App Tuckerbox brings the HP catalog back to Preware |
| 20:30.18 | Mousey | but whatever |
| 20:30.23 | azalyn | Mousey: oh, i know |
| 20:30.26 | azalyn | wimax is desirable |
| 20:30.29 | Mousey | rwhitby: thanks, i make note! |
| 20:30.41 | azalyn | but lte is something we can 'settle' for long term |
| 20:30.47 | azalyn | it will be better than cdma vs gsm |
| 20:30.50 | azalyn | and all that garbage |
| 20:30.59 | Mousey | ugh |
| 20:31.13 | Mousey | we'll see, LTE is a data standard |
| 20:31.20 | azalyn | i want to see wimax take off more though. |
| 20:31.41 | azalyn | would be nice to have chipsets that do both wimax and lte.. that way we could migrate from one to the other. |
| 20:31.44 | Mousey | i wish i could go to Fry's and buy a WiMAX router and just run my own |
| 20:32.02 | azalyn | or chipsets with gsm/cdma/wimax/lte all in one chip :P |
| 20:32.03 | Mousey | that's where WiMAX fell over, no general availability, like with wifi |
| 20:32.34 | azalyn | i'm not sure what prevents such chips from being inexpensive.. patents? |
| 20:32.43 | azalyn | contracts ? |
| 20:32.43 | Mousey | vendor lock-in |
| 20:32.44 | Mousey | margins! |
| 20:32.46 | azalyn | trade secret law? |
| 20:32.50 | Mousey | margins make these things expensive! |
| 20:32.52 | azalyn | probably a bit of everything. |
| 20:33.15 | azalyn | Mousey: yeah but moore's law can apply to integrated circuits in general, not just CPUs. |
| 20:33.22 | azalyn | they should get dirt cheap after awhile |
| 20:33.39 | Mousey | materials are one thing, engineering resources are another |
| 20:33.39 | azalyn | and no doubt all radio standards have enough in common to share some things |
| 20:33.54 | azalyn | materials...? they're made of sand. |
| 20:33.57 | Mousey | just because things get cheaper doesn't make people who can do ASIC design and layout easier to find, or cheaper to pay |
| 20:34.29 | azalyn | yeah but that's just r&d |
| 20:34.36 | azalyn | manufacturing cost is the important thing. |
| 20:34.36 | Mousey | noo |
| 20:34.50 | Mousey | well R&D is the main cost |
| 20:35.18 | Mousey | you can't manufacture without it, and you can't update products or introduce new products without it |
| 20:35.19 | azalyn | r&d is the *initial* cost, it's not the "main" one. |
| 20:35.47 | azalyn | i'm pretty sure patents and contracts are the only thing holding this back.. |
| 20:35.52 | Mousey | that *initial* cost has to be paid long after things are in manufacturing. it may cost 30$ for an ipod, but nobody sells them for that |
| 20:35.58 | azalyn | and trade secret law, which could fit in 'contracts' |
| 20:36.17 | Mousey | i'm sure we're both wrong and have no business talking out of our respective asses like this |
| 20:36.34 | Mousey | otherwise, i say lets go into manufacturing, we could at least agree on what os to use ^_^ |
| 20:36.48 | azalyn | of course. haiku os. |
| 20:36.51 | azalyn | :P |
| 20:36.54 | Mousey | totally |
| 20:37.07 | Mousey | dual boot amigaOS |
| 20:37.47 | azalyn | freedos smartphones and tablets as far as the eye can see! |
| 20:38.03 | tdo | saiiin: yes that's what I meant |
| 20:38.20 | Mousey | phone.sys |
| 20:38.28 | azalyn | complete with real mode segmented memory management! |
| 20:39.50 | Mousey | wow |
| 20:39.51 | DougReeder | ok, I've created a page, where should i link to it? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Netbook |
| 20:40.00 | Mousey | well it's a good thing zdnet and c|net are all excited about webos |
| 20:40.07 | Mousey | </sarcasm> |
| 20:40.09 | azalyn | and by the way, my point wasn't about *us*... my point is there *are* companies who more than have the resources to design unified chips like this. but they benefit from segmenting the market. |
| 20:40.21 | azalyn | divide and conquer. |
| 20:40.21 | azalyn | etc |
| 20:40.50 | Mousey | yea. i had that same beef back when PC manufacturers started trending towards integrating peripherials on the motherboards |
| 20:41.03 | Mousey | it was GREAT for manufacturers, but crappy for customers |
| 20:41.47 | azalyn | like intel seem to have this habit of not providing virtualization across their whole product line. this isn't because it would cost them more money.. but rather because they want people to have to buy a new cpu if they need virtualization, and suddenly find they can't do it. |
| 20:41.57 | azalyn | where as amd tends to make it available across all their products |
| 20:42.10 | azalyn | even their new amd fusion line |
| 20:42.20 | destinal | DougReeder: what are good ARM netbooks that would be good targets for webos? |
| 20:42.51 | summatusmentis | are there good arm netbooks? |
| 20:43.31 | destinal | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/223918/linux_and_arm_power_new_10inch_netbooks.html might be good webos targets |
| 20:43.57 | DougReeder | destinal that's why i created the page - to share info. First we need suitable target hardware |
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| 20:44.28 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: ping |
| 20:44.49 | destinal | has to be ARM little endian if we're going to run existing binaries, games etc |
| 20:44.58 | DougReeder | We need one with a multitouch touchscreen which narrows the field. |
| 20:45.28 | destinal | DougReeder: well we can add mouse support to webos now too though I agree touchscreen might be nice.. |
| 20:45.41 | destinal | and all this now = future now :) |
| 20:45.49 | destinal | I expect code release to take months |
| 20:46.14 | Mousey | yah, the whole licensing thing will be an interesting story |
| 20:46.14 | summatusmentis | yeah, stupid |
| 20:46.22 | summatusmentis | I want a code dump RIGHT THIS INSTANT |
| 20:46.41 | DougReeder | Without a multitouch screen, most apps won't work right. |
| 20:47.00 | destinal | PuffTheMagic_: nice post on twitter |
| 20:47.09 | DougReeder | It's not webos without the multitouch |
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| 20:47.40 | destinal | well multitouch trackpad might be fine |
| 20:47.46 | destinal | and mouse |
| 20:48.59 | destinal | so mouse pointer to tap icons on the screen and multitouch gesturing or keyboard and trackpad combinations for zoom in / out, we can do a lot without ts |
| 20:49.02 | destinal | it would still be nice |
| 20:49.25 | destinal | I'm not sure it's the most comfortable way to use a netbook though, poking at its screen |
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| 20:49.32 | tdo | we need patience... code dump "in the coming ...." |
| 20:49.44 | destinal | tdo: code dump in the coming years |
| 20:50.16 | tdo | uh... |
| 20:51.07 | destinal | heh months more like |
| 20:51.54 | wrea | I guess I could see the source release with a 3.1 release |
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| 20:54.12 | wrea | hey chuqui |
| 20:54.25 | destinal | the interview with meg is awesome, that she's committed to a 4-5 year timeframe of letting it mature in the open source world |
| 20:54.42 | RWings19 | 4-5 years is an eternity, though |
| 20:54.56 | RWings19 | this OS needs to make a splash sooner rather than later, I feel |
| 20:54.56 | Robi_ | means funding |
| 20:54.59 | chuqui | hey |
| 20:55.08 | destinal | RWings19: by that I mean they won't kill it just because it's not the biggest thing in a year |
| 20:55.20 | destinal | I think it will be huge |
| 20:55.29 | RWings19 | yeah, which helps... |
| 20:55.31 | PuffTheMagic | summatusmentis, pong |
| 20:55.45 | summatusmentis | Is that your evo that you're tweeting about? |
| 20:55.58 | RWings19 | all I know is that I've been waiting for a long time to evolve from a Sprint Pre-, and it looks like the best I can do in the meanwhile is still a FrankenPre2 |
| 20:55.59 | PuffTheMagic | yup |
| 20:56.00 | summatusmentis | is it awesome? can I have it? |
| 20:56.06 | PuffTheMagic | its not so awesome |
| 20:56.10 | PuffTheMagic | its beautiful though |
| 20:56.21 | summatusmentis | pretty "not working"? |
| 20:56.24 | PuffTheMagic | non of the controls work |
| 20:56.29 | PuffTheMagic | no hw graphics |
| 20:56.33 | PuffTheMagic | it boots into software mode |
| 20:56.39 | PuffTheMagic | that was about as far as i got with out source |
| 20:56.53 | RWings19 | Puff, are you talking about trying to boot webOS on an Evo? |
| 20:57.04 | PuffTheMagic | oh its boots |
| 20:57.09 | PuffTheMagic | tried and done |
| 20:57.33 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: still, awesome proof of concept |
| 20:57.38 | summatusmentis | I expect big things from you |
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| 21:04.19 | AMR-1 | Splash = they need to get Andreessen and Ruby out there talkin and showin new top 100 Apps ASAP - oink, etc. and at least a couple more from the list of all the other ones we have been complaining about. |
| 21:04.58 | PuffTheMagic | summatusmentis, webos WILL come back to sprint |
| 21:05.27 | AMR-1 | and remind everyone there is no "don't sue me" fee or windows license needed with webos. |
| 21:05.40 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: then I think I can justify keeping my sprint pre2 for a while, until I can put it on other hardware |
| 21:05.44 | summatusmentis | so hurry up |
| 21:05.52 | destinal | RWings19: puffthemagic's evo3d http://t.co/FpCx6Ij9 |
| 21:06.19 | PuffTheMagic | so it took me about a day to get the userland to boot on a evo, but again that is without and buttons working |
| 21:06.35 | destinal | source to hidd would be huge |
| 21:06.53 | PuffTheMagic | ya once hidd and powerd code is avail this is all trivial |
| 21:07.02 | PuffTheMagic | hw accelerated graphics caused luna to crash |
| 21:07.11 | PuffTheMagic | but we suspect it was because i was using the TP doctor |
| 21:07.17 | PuffTheMagic | and there were hardcoded resolutions |
| 21:07.29 | PuffTheMagic | again, code can fix all these issues |
| 21:07.37 | summatusmentis | how do we get this process expedited? |
| 21:07.47 | PuffTheMagic | that out of our control |
| 21:07.49 | summatusmentis | that is, how do we get what we need to run this on phones |
| 21:07.54 | destinal | summatusmentis: code |
| 21:08.07 | summatusmentis | I mean, yes, but presumably some of the code could be pretty easily released |
| 21:08.11 | PuffTheMagic | but u can bet that as soon as code is available I will be working to get webos on a new sprint phone |
| 21:08.16 | PuffTheMagic | my evo3d to start |
| 21:08.29 | destinal | summatusmentis: graphics code and hidd and powerd especially |
| 21:08.33 | PuffTheMagic | maybe we need a new fundraiser started |
| 21:08.42 | PuffTheMagic | so we can get new non HP hardware to playwith |
| 21:09.00 | destinal | yeah |
| 21:11.09 | AMR-1 | to estimate timeframe from outside of HP,e we need d a list of non open parts HP has to replace... |
| 21:12.21 | summatusmentis | I wish they would tell us something |
| 21:15.07 | AMR-1 | Chiquita: ha! autocorrect :-P hey chuq, is senergy part of open source plans? |
| 21:16.38 | summatusmentis | OMG, synergy! |
| 21:16.56 | summatusmentis | I completely forgot about all the backend stuff. |
| 21:17.09 | summatusmentis | imagine running your own synergy servers |
| 21:17.17 | summatusmentis | extended, of course |
| 21:18.11 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: the verge is reporting your evo3d |
| 21:18.24 | PuffTheMagic | ya i saw |
| 21:18.42 | summatusmentis | YOU'RE INTERNET FAMOUS |
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| 21:23.36 | azalyn | [15:41:51] <Mousey> yea. i had that same beef back when PC manufacturers started trending towards integrating peripherials on the motherboards |
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| 21:23.59 | azalyn | Mousey: well.. depends what peripherals. |
| 21:24.10 | azalyn | i kind of like that my lan is onboard. and my audio. |
| 21:24.35 | azalyn | in the early days it might've been bad though. |
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| 21:25.07 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: are there phones that are close to TP specs that would make the evo3d stuff easier? |
| 21:25.29 | RWings19 | pretty freakin' sweet, Puff. I like the prospect for where this could go. |
| 21:25.49 | azalyn | the gpu+cpu merger is also kind of cool in some ways.. but it is feared that it might harm competition. |
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| 21:30.31 | PuffTheMagic | summatusmentis, now that source is out it really doesnt matter |
| 21:30.40 | PuffTheMagic | as long as it has an unlocked/unlockable bootloader |
| 21:31.01 | PuffTheMagic | i have no idea how generic their code is |
| 21:31.25 | PuffTheMagic | but for each phone we would need to get buttons, touchscreen, graphics and modem working |
| 21:31.33 | PuffTheMagic | and LTE is an added issue |
| 21:31.36 | summatusmentis | I was thinking short term |
| 21:31.39 | summatusmentis | there's no source right now |
| 21:31.41 | PuffTheMagic | but if they are android most of that code is out |
| 21:31.47 | azalyn | PuffTheMagic: does the evo3d have opensource drivers or something? |
| 21:32.31 | azalyn | i'm not sure how the binary blob driver situation is with phones. |
| 21:32.32 | summatusmentis | I wonder how compatible some of the android stuff is |
| 21:32.33 | PuffTheMagic | the evo3d was identical to the touchpad with the exception of the touchscreen |
| 21:32.34 | azalyn | is it like nvidia? |
| 21:32.51 | azalyn | they use a small opensource glue to link it to the kernel or something? |
| 21:33.00 | azalyn | or are the proprietary drivers userspace? |
| 21:33.46 | PuffTheMagic | the display drivers will be the hardest part |
| 21:33.47 | azalyn | with the original palm pre, i remember hearing that everything was open in kernel mode except for the wifi driver. |
| 21:33.59 | PuffTheMagic | they might dictate parts of the userland |
| 21:34.20 | PuffTheMagic | azalyn, we got opensource wifi drivers working on the pre |
| 21:34.28 | PuffTheMagic | but they didnt work with the binary luna |
| 21:34.33 | PuffTheMagic | that could also change with the source |
| 21:34.42 | azalyn | oh, that is pretty nice then |
| 21:34.47 | summatusmentis | so if nothing else, we might need glue between android components, and whatever webOS uses |
| 21:34.51 | summatusmentis | if it comes down to drivers? |
| 21:35.13 | PuffTheMagic | ehhh |
| 21:35.25 | azalyn | what makes webos special is mostly it's UI i believe. |
| 21:35.31 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: "now that source is out" - you realise it will likely be months before source is released, right? |
| 21:35.39 | azalyn | you could take the android kernel.. |
| 21:35.40 | linuxjacques | :-( |
| 21:35.45 | azalyn | and port webos on top |
| 21:35.50 | azalyn | instead of using the webos kernel |
| 21:35.55 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby, did I say "now that source is out" |
| 21:36.02 | PuffTheMagic | i shoudl have said "now that its opensourced" |
| 21:36.09 | PuffTheMagic | but ya i realize its not going to be tomorrow |
| 21:36.10 | rwhitby | "PuffTheMagic: summatusmentis, now that source is out it really doesnt matter" |
| 21:36.12 | bhuey | pretty crazy |
| 21:36.27 | summatusmentis | rwhitby: it sounds like they're gonna open source parts of it as soon as they can |
| 21:36.48 | linuxjacques | I hope so |
| 21:36.50 | azalyn | rwhitby: why exactly is it going to take them so long.. don't they have all the copyrights or something? |
| 21:36.55 | linuxjacques | keep the excitement going |
| 21:37.02 | azalyn | did palm use middleware or something? |
| 21:37.04 | linuxjacques | one major component a week :-) |
| 21:37.05 | azalyn | that would have to be removed? |
| 21:37.15 | linuxjacques | startting with launcher |
| 21:37.21 | rwhitby | azalyn: governance structure needs to be determined first, for a start. |
| 21:37.21 | summatusmentis | azalyn: they licensed parts of it, and they need to figure out the organizational structure/etc. |
| 21:37.37 | rwhitby | then parts for which they do not own the IP need to be replaced |
| 21:38.00 | azalyn | governance? geez.. |
| 21:38.03 | PuffTheMagic | azalyn, there are also proprietary parts they need to replace first too |
| 21:38.20 | azalyn | the proprietary stuff i understand, they should certainly remove that.. |
| 21:38.25 | azalyn | but 'governance' ? |
| 21:38.30 | AMR-1 | we need to know how many parts those are... do you think they know yet? |
| 21:38.35 | azalyn | you'd think they could just do the bare minimum and then do a code dump. |
| 21:38.42 | azalyn | and figure out the bureaucracy later. |
| 21:38.46 | rwhitby | azalyn: that would ensure failure |
| 21:39.14 | linuxjacques | would be nice if there were some transparency to the process |
| 21:39.37 | linuxjacques | translucency as it were |
| 21:39.48 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: that is key |
| 21:39.56 | azalyn | works for id software when they open their engines.. :P |
| 21:40.09 | azalyn | but whatever, i'm patient. i can wait. |
| 21:40.15 | azalyn | i just hope they don't change their mind. |
| 21:40.16 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: but I would not expect that before the governance is decided |
| 21:40.17 | eliasp | yeeehaw, party time...!1!11! SCNR ;) |
| 21:40.42 | linuxjacques | azalyn: but Id has no plans to use those engines ever again |
| 21:40.47 | summatusmentis | azalyn: the beaurocracy is important. They have to get the community structure right, otherwise this isn't going to be successful |
| 21:41.34 | azalyn | it seems to me that the community has been fantastic thus far even though hp's efforts thus far have been less than impressive. |
| 21:41.53 | linuxjacques | I agree with that |
| 21:41.56 | summatusmentis | thing is, HP wants to retain some control |
| 21:42.07 | summatusmentis | they're still gonna pay people to work on webOS |
| 21:42.10 | azalyn | webos-internals has been fantastic in the face of such terrible odds. |
| 21:42.10 | AMR-1 | if they put Andreessen on this we are golden! |
| 21:42.22 | azalyn | you guys are total badasses. i hope you know that. |
| 21:42.27 | rwhitby | AMR-1: my understanding is that he is Meg's key advisor on this |
| 21:42.41 | summatusmentis | azalyn: and part of that is because rwhitby understood the need for structure/vision originally |
| 21:42.43 | linuxjacques | I imagine they are thinking something like Fedora |
| 21:43.05 | linuxjacques | all major players are RedHat employees |
| 21:43.17 | summatusmentis | I assume something similar |
| 21:43.19 | summatusmentis | or hadoop |
| 21:43.26 | azalyn | summatusmentis: i'm not saying structure and leadership isn't important. i was just saying that the community has been good thus far in finding it's own leadership. |
| 21:43.32 | summatusmentis | or possibly even to an extent android |
| 21:43.42 | summatusmentis | azalyn: that's fine, but this isn't "here, go" |
| 21:43.51 | AMR-1 | they will mirror Mozilla (the new one - the one thAt rolls an update every week) |
| 21:43.57 | summatusmentis | this is "here, but we want to be a part, and we have business interests" |
| 21:44.07 | linuxjacques | I assume HP will continue to run forums and will add a SCCS |
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| 21:44.28 | linuxjacques | I hope something like git |
| 21:44.33 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: Fedora board has 4 redhat and 5 community, but redhat chairs and has veto |
| 21:44.35 | summatusmentis | I was just gonna say I hope it's not git |
| 21:44.43 | Marcus_ | Hi everybody!!! |
| 21:44.45 | summatusmentis | git is clunky |
| 21:44.53 | azalyn | mercurial ? |
| 21:44.54 | AMR-1 | well they have to keep the AppCat - unless they switch to AppTuckerBox :-P |
| 21:45.13 | rwhitby | AMR-1: they can license that from me |
| 21:45.16 | summatusmentis | I mean, I'll use git, but I'd prefer something cleaner |
| 21:45.30 | PuffTheMagic | its git or go home |
| 21:45.40 | summatusmentis | I guess webos-internals uses git |
| 21:45.47 | linuxjacques | :-D |
| 21:45.52 | summatusmentis | so assuming they want any form of compatibility, it'll be git |
| 21:46.03 | azalyn | i wonder what this means for 'tizen' though.. at one point they were talking like they wanted a webos-ish platform... they mentioned html5 apps and such |
| 21:46.09 | PuffTheMagic | palm used git inhouse too it hin |
| 21:46.10 | PuffTheMagic | think |
| 21:46.16 | PuffTheMagic | doubt they would switch now |
| 21:46.19 | azalyn | will they just ditch support and back webos? |
| 21:46.20 | summatusmentis | I'd believe it |
| 21:46.21 | azalyn | or what |
| 21:46.33 | azalyn | seems unlikely |
| 21:46.41 | RWings19 | Part of me wonders/hopes that maybe Rod is having conversations with the powers at HP about 'what could be' for the future of open source webOS |
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| 21:47.17 | linuxjacques | they'd be smart to take his advice, for sure |
| 21:47.20 | Marcus_ | me too Rwing |
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| 21:47.58 | b-man` | I'm assuming everyone got the awesome news? |
| 21:48.00 | linuxjacques | unfortunately, they probably won't say "Rod, save us!!!" |
| 21:48.00 | rwhitby | RWings19: I'm meant to have a call today, but with the communications team I think. |
| 21:48.28 | linuxjacques | b-man`: what news? something going on? |
| 21:48.30 | rwhitby | RWings19: I've had discussions with Phil Robb (head of open source at HP) on this topic before in person at OSCON |
| 21:48.31 | azalyn | b-man`: no, what news? we haven't heard any news. certainly nothing about webos being opensourced or anything crazy like that. |
| 21:48.35 | b-man` | http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/09/hp-webos-to-live-on-through-open-source-hardware-lineup-still/ |
| 21:48.53 | b-man` | :) |
| 21:49.01 | RWings19 | In Rod We Trust :) |
| 21:49.06 | linuxjacques | hehe |
| 21:49.08 | summatusmentis | rwhitby: will you post outcomes of that call? |
| 21:49.14 | b-man` | this made my week :) |
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| 21:49.26 | linuxjacques | bah, he's going to tweet it live |
| 21:49.34 | rwhitby | RWings19: http://bit.ly/in-rod-we-trust |
| 21:49.34 | RWings19 | At this point I really am hoping for the best - my main worry is fragmentation. |
| 21:49.36 | linuxjacques | (not really) |
| 21:49.56 | linuxjacques | RWings19: I'm sure HP is worried about that too |
| 21:50.07 | azalyn | when i bought my palm pre i said i would not regret it even if it became orphaned. because i was happy with the out of the box experience.. all i wanted was an irc client (and got one, wirc) |
| 21:50.18 | azalyn | even so, i wanted it to succeed. it's been a rough road. |
| 21:50.24 | RWings19 | I am still happy with my Pre- about 99% of the time |
| 21:50.25 | azalyn | but this is the best possible outcome i think] |
| 21:50.26 | linuxjacques | but even fragmentation is better than "nobody cared enough to use the code" |
| 21:50.32 | Marcus_ | I have a arm dev board laying around and was wandering if someone know what are the Sys requirement For the hardware ?? |
| 21:50.38 | summatusmentis | RWings19: https://twitter.com/#!/Adora/status/145234463868203009 |
| 21:51.05 | linuxjacques | what's it say? (blocked from twitter ehre) |
| 21:51.16 | RWings19 | amen to that, summatus |
| 21:51.22 | summatusmentis | "@webosinternals I'm certain it was, and your leadership will be critical to ensure this community doesn't devolve into 'l337 romz."" |
| 21:51.34 | summatusmentis | in response to "One humbly hopes that the way we have run WebOS Internals over the last 2 years has made this decision easier for @hp." by RWings19 |
| 21:51.37 | linuxjacques | ah, yes, perceptive |
| 21:51.38 | summatusmentis | err.. rwhitby |
| 21:52.33 | linuxjacques | don't want this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1284 |
| 21:52.39 | RWings19 | well, I plan to continue using a webOS phone as long as I can find one that will continue to work on Sprint. Here's to hoping this community continues to thrive. |
| 21:52.50 | linuxjacques | there's like 25 different ROMZ on that page lone |
| 21:53.19 | AMR-1 | rwhitby: can you reword that in the format of DKs latest P|C post? almost as good as the haikus ;-) |
| 21:54.09 | Marcus_ | yeah its awful jacques |
| 21:54.34 | summatusmentis | RWings19: PuffTheMagic has said he'll be working to put webOS on sprint phones once the code drops |
| 21:54.35 | azalyn | i just hope the original palm pre is well supported by the future opensource versions. |
| 21:54.41 | azalyn | i can't afford a new phone right now |
| 21:55.16 | linuxjacques | I would hope the Pre- will remain the minimal target |
| 21:55.29 | summatusmentis | or even pixi- |
| 21:55.34 | PuffTheMagic | i dont see newer thatn 1.4.5 on pre or pixi |
| 21:55.45 | PuffTheMagic | maybe some non ui stuff could be backported |
| 21:55.52 | PuffTheMagic | like luna service 2 |
| 21:55.52 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: I suppose that depends on what version gets dropped |
| 21:56.04 | Marcus_ | right now i think webos is a bit chubby!! |
| 21:56.18 | RWings19 | yeah, it would be nice to get something later than 1.4.5 on my Pre- |
| 21:56.55 | dwc- | azalyn: for an example of recentish opensourcing and the process, I imagine it'll be similar to sun with solaris |
| 21:57.52 | dwc- | and re: source control, I've seen references in the palm stuff to a subversion.palm.com, but who knows whether they'll switch it when they go more externally |
| 21:58.08 | linuxjacques | that is an interesting point: which version/s of webOS will be released |
| 21:58.38 | summatusmentis | I think it's safe to assume at least 3.0 |
| 21:58.40 | summatusmentis | or 3.x |
| 21:58.44 | linuxjacques | yeah, definitely 3.0 |
| 21:58.45 | summatusmentis | possibly also 2.2.x? |
| 21:59.21 | dwc- | probably 2.2 if they push that to the veer and pre2 |
| 21:59.27 | Marcus_ | isnt the 3.0 for tablet only? |
| 22:00.04 | linuxjacques | yes, but maybe not by design |
| 22:01.23 | linuxjacques | from the interview, it does sound like HP is mosly concerned about tablets though :-\ |
| 22:04.12 | DougReeder | near as I can tell, 3.0 is optimized for tablets, while 2.x was optimized for phones |
| 22:04.39 | DougReeder | merging them was scheduled for next year |
| 22:05.18 | DougReeder | Dunno if any work on that has been done since August. |
| 22:06.28 | linuxjacques | kinda like android 2/3 -> 4 |
| 22:06.29 | DougReeder | It may be up to the open-source community to back-port 3 to phones |
| 22:07.33 | DougReeder | And I'll bet work to make it work on the pre - and plus will be left to the community. |
| 22:08.16 | Marcus_ | for sure!! |
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| 22:09.22 | shellox | hi |
| 22:09.42 | shellox | it's cool that webos gets open source :) |
| 22:10.08 | Marcus_ | the only things i fear is for the patented stuff |
| 22:10.14 | DougReeder | the APIs for 2 and 3 are almost identical -i don't know what the differences are u der eath |
| 22:11.20 | shellox | whats the newest hp smartphone? |
| 22:11.35 | shellox | pre 2? |
| 22:11.37 | dwc- | pre3 |
| 22:11.41 | Marcus_ | i saw on P|C that they have to rewrite some api before releasing it |
| 22:12.05 | DougReeder | not apis |
| 22:12.05 | Marcus_ | Pre 3 /veer |
| 22:12.12 | dwc- | pre3, veer, pre2, etc. |
| 22:12.16 | DougReeder | internal components |
| 22:13.04 | shellox | would buy me one additional to my homebrew iphone :P |
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| 22:13.44 | aman | Need help in insatlling preware on my tp |
| 22:14.26 | Marcus_ | ahh ok @dougreeder |
| 22:14.37 | aman | downloaded .jar file, connected my tp with laptop using the usb |
| 22:15.35 | AMR-1 | I'm sure there is something non opensourcable in Novacomm they have to replace or rewrite - they have been really touchy bout that from the beginin... |
| 22:16.27 | Marcus_ | @aman => and ?? |
| 22:16.33 | geist | no, i wrote novacomd and novacom |
| 22:16.46 | geist | nothing in it should be un opensourceable |
| 22:17.03 | linuxjacques | :-D |
| 22:17.20 | linuxjacques | and bootie ? |
| 22:17.22 | Marcus_ | maybe about the inductive charger |
| 22:17.29 | geist | same. bootie should be fin |
| 22:17.38 | linuxjacques | suh-weet |
| 22:17.39 | Marcus_ | or the TTC |
| 22:17.44 | geist | unless there is code in there from hw vendors that didn't want it open sourced |
| 22:17.50 | PuffTheMagic | geist, do you know if its possible to get usbserial out of a pixi usb port? |
| 22:17.51 | geist | but that being said, it's pretty close to lk anyway |
| 22:17.53 | geist | which is open source |
| 22:17.57 | geist | PuffTheMagic: no |
| 22:18.07 | PuffTheMagic | no its not, or no you dont know |
| 22:18.17 | geist | no it's not |
| 22:18.20 | PuffTheMagic | damn |
| 22:18.32 | geist | usbserial on pre was mostly a function of the omap, pixi is QC based |
| 22:18.43 | geist | i think we used to get serial out of a set of pads on the bottom of the board |
| 22:19.32 | PuffTheMagic | ehh that wont help either, i want to use my pixi to control some simple hw and usbserial was the easiest way |
| 22:19.50 | Marcus_ | The only thing missing from pre Hw is tvout stuff |
| 22:19.52 | PuffTheMagic | guess i need to use either usb host on the pixi or make a usb host constroller for the the external device |
| 22:19.58 | geist | right |
| 22:27.49 | shellox | pre3 = EUR 299,89 ? |
| 22:27.54 | shellox | nice |
| 22:28.20 | shellox | but is the os still so slow? |
| 22:30.36 | Marcus_ | mine is pretty fast |
| 22:30.49 | Marcus_ | what do you mean by slowN |
| 22:31.00 | Marcus_ | *slow ? |
| 22:33.42 | shellox | Marcus_: i havent had any web os device until now, but some sites compared it to android and ios and wrote it's slow |
| 22:33.47 | shellox | so i just want to know |
| 22:36.20 | Marcus_ | this is a matter of perception; the best thing will be to test it!! but where? |
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| 22:47.13 | DMeister-IT | with the opensource project webOS 2.2.4 can be implemented on Pre/Pre+? |
| 22:47.47 | rwhitby | one would expect so |
| 22:50.26 | DMeister-IT | good :) |
| 22:58.19 | Mousey | BACK! |
| 22:58.21 | Mousey | miss me? |
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| 23:01.37 | destinal | geist!!! |
| 23:01.55 | destinal | geist: I hope the open sourcing includes bootie |
| 23:02.26 | destinal | reads backlogh |
| 23:02.33 | EricBlade | everything should include bootie |
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| 23:04.34 | RhapsodyGuru | exciting news today :) |
| 23:04.41 | EricBlade | well will 2.2.4 be open sourced, or will it just be 3.0 |
| 23:05.00 | RhapsodyGuru | I thought all versions were going open source? |
| 23:05.21 | dwc- | nobody knows! |
| 23:05.30 | Mousey | it's a mystery! |
| 23:05.35 | dwc- | just sit tight |
| 23:05.37 | EricBlade | i'm certain that very few important questions such as things like that have been answered |
| 23:05.58 | RhapsodyGuru | cool |
| 23:06.05 | dwc- | maybe in the all-hands, but not in the press release |
| 23:06.10 | dwc- | and the all-hands was not very long |
| 23:06.33 | EricBlade | i'm sure many of these have been anticipated, but that doesn't necessarily mean without the rest of the people that were not involved in making the decisions, can they be communicated |
| 23:06.35 | Mousey | and what licensinging? |
| 23:06.38 | EricBlade | i feel like i'm speaking like yoda |
| 23:06.42 | Mousey | kant type |
| 23:06.55 | Mousey | like yoda, you are not speaking |
| 23:06.57 | EricBlade | someone said Enyo was leaning towards an Apache 2 license |
| 23:07.04 | EricBlade | the rest i don't think we've got any info |
| 23:07.08 | RhapsodyGuru | that wouldn't be a bad license |
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| 23:08.43 | Mousey | apache? why? |
| 23:08.49 | Mousey | i mean, why would it be a bad license? |
| 23:09.00 | Mousey | oy, it wouldn't |
| 23:09.02 | Mousey | nm |
| 23:09.06 | Mousey | kant read either |
| 23:09.09 | Marcus_ | already seeing the double wave thing on my pre3 |
| 23:12.04 | EricBlade | waves at Marcus_ |
| 23:13.48 | geist | destinal: yep |
| 23:15.18 | Marcus_ | wave back at EricBlade |
| 23:15.34 | EricBlade | woo a double wave |
| 23:16.11 | oilsworkn | all the way across the pre3? |
| 23:17.20 | Marcus_ | \o/ double rain-- wave !! |
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