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| 00:27.50 | Kysh | bheuy: That's pretty confident :> |
| 00:28.41 | cryptk | Kysh, he's right... mainly because you cannot... as a physical being... live in an IRC channel |
| 00:29.26 | Kysh | Mm... I'd be willing to debate that! ... in a philosophical split-consciousness sense. ~.^ |
| 00:30.10 | cryptk | why does Qt take so long to build... |
| 00:30.17 | cryptk | xorg-server builds faster than this |
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| 00:58.03 | rwhitby | Kysh: at various times over the last 2 years, there have been a number of Palm/HP employees that frequent this channel (up to 7 at a time at the peak). At the moment I see two. |
| 00:58.55 | rwhitby | Since this channel is neither an official or unofficial HP support channel, it is up to those individuals as to whether they wish to announce their affiliation. Of course, even if they do, they would not be speaking on behalf of their employer here. |
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| 02:19.05 | LarrySteeze | There have absolutely been palm employees here, at all different levels of involvement within palm |
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| 02:52.30 | Kysh | rwhitby: Of course not ^.^ Neither am I... I was mostly just curious as to who else was around. I've stopped in here once or twice before, but haven't really stuck around. |
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| 02:59.31 | bhuey | hey rwhitby |
| 03:06.19 | Kysh | (Disclaimer: I work there, but don't have anything noteworthy to say ... just started using preware for the first time and thought it was funny to see this channel on an irc network I've been on since the dawn of time .. reason I was asking about palm employees is that I'd imagine most of the boys on the other side of the house would be the types to hang out in here) |
| 03:11.04 | bhuey | Kysh: who are you ? |
| 03:12.46 | Kysh | I'm Kysh. ^.^ |
| 03:12.56 | Kysh | Is this a trick question? ~.^ |
| 03:28.24 | wrea | bhuey, foxy, apparently :P |
| 03:36.21 | sugardave | bhuey === caterpillar, Kysh === Alice |
| 03:36.33 | Kysh | wrea: ? |
| 03:37.04 | wrea | Kysh, your whois has your real name as foxy |
| 03:37.23 | Kysh | Oh. |
| 03:37.24 | Kysh | yes |
| 03:37.28 | Kysh | That's correct :> |
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| 06:57.23 | raymond1 | Hi, try to understand some basic conceptions here. a few questions on PDK. |
| 06:58.08 | raymond1 | Does a PDK app has any relationship with NPAPI plugin? does the PDL built upon NPAPI ? |
| 06:59.19 | raymond1 | Seems to me, in one way, it can run as a standalone app. it don't looks like a npapi plugin. While in hybrid app, it works as a embed object, which looks pretty like a npapi plugin... |
| 07:02.59 | raymond1 | So, is the palm port webkit implement its own interface for plugin? |
| 07:03.26 | raymond1 | with those PDL_callJS staff |
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| 07:37.05 | Amperage | Hello |
| 07:38.09 | Amperage | Anyone alive in here familiar with the HP Touchpad? |
| 07:41.15 | nieve | depends on how familiar you need - I'm not one of the experts here, but I'll help if I can? |
| 07:42.15 | Amperage | thanks :) |
| 07:42.41 | Amperage | I have one here that belongs to a friend. He complained it stopped charging then shut down when the battery got too low |
| 07:42.59 | Amperage | now all it does it come up with a battery icon with a ? mark inside |
| 07:43.36 | Amperage | I can get it to load as 2 diff usb devices. a qualcomm loader and a palm device. but can't get into the proper usb recovery mode for webos doctor to detect it |
| 07:45.13 | Amperage | I've charged it fully (as far as I can tell). let it sit on the screen with the battery icon all day till it powered down |
| 07:46.41 | nieve | I assume you tried the forced reboot by holding down the home button & power button simultaneously for about 10 seconds? |
| 07:46.50 | Amperage | did the 20-30 second home+ power more times than I can remember.. it just keeps commin back to that battery screen |
| 07:46.59 | nieve | ah |
| 07:47.17 | nieve | and it's plugged in with the doctor running when you reboot it? |
| 07:47.59 | Amperage | yes |
| 07:48.33 | Amperage | if it's not in either that qualcomm loader or palm mode it doesn't detect at all in windows or mac os |
| 07:49.06 | Amperage | I found drivers for the qualcomm dloader device but haven't found a driver for when it comes up as simply "Palm" |
| 07:49.32 | Amperage | assuming it wouldn't much matter for webos doctor anyway since it's likely not the device it's searching for |
| 07:49.44 | nieve | this isn't a fix, but I'd suggest installing novacom & starting the novacom server, then doing the forced restart while plugged in and seeing what the output is |
| 07:50.00 | nieve | let me get you a link |
| 07:50.09 | Amperage | I have those tools installed |
| 07:50.26 | Amperage | downloaded and installed webOS sdk etc |
| 07:50.49 | Amperage | I didn't figure novacom would be able to communicate with the touchpad since webos doctor doesn't see it |
| 07:51.27 | nieve | well, novacomd will at least tell you if it's being detected? there are things that it can do that the doctor doesn't |
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| 07:53.34 | Amperage | ran novacom.exe from commandline |
| 07:53.47 | Amperage | just says "unable to find device" |
| 07:53.59 | nieve | bother - it just occurred to me that it may be harder to see the debugging output. I'm running linux, so if I run novacomd separately it'll give me that output. |
| 07:54.09 | nieve | ah |
| 07:54.43 | nieve | and on reboot while it's running you see no messages at all? |
| 07:55.28 | Amperage | it didn't leave me in a console etc of any sort |
| 07:55.38 | Amperage | just gave that error message and dropped me back to the command prompt |
| 07:55.47 | Amperage | is it novacom.exe I should be running? |
| 07:56.27 | Amperage | I've flashed/rooted a number of android phones etc.. kinda why I ended up with this thing |
| 07:56.36 | Amperage | assuming novacom is kinda like adb |
| 07:57.18 | Amperage | but I'm completely lost when it comes to webos devices |
| 07:57.29 | Amperage | this touchpad is the first one I've had to mess with |
| 07:58.07 | nieve | I just want to double-check - you rebooted and held down the volume up, right? |
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| 07:58.28 | Amperage | right |
| 07:58.31 | nieve | that sucks, generally it's been the least frustrating to deal with of anything I've had to flash or root |
| 07:58.37 | Amperage | that toggles the "Palm" device |
| 07:58.49 | Amperage | but I don't have a driver for that |
| 07:59.04 | Amperage | the novacom driver installer doesn't cover it |
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| 07:59.34 | Amperage | I'm assuming the usb recovery mode is an entirely diff thing than what I'm gettin now |
| 07:59.57 | Amperage | everything I've read says the tpad should come up with a USB symbol on the screen when it's in usb recovery |
| 08:00.26 | Amperage | novacom I'm thinking needs it like that to "see" it |
| 08:01.03 | Amperage | I've read about this happening with other palm devices like the pre |
| 08:01.11 | nieve | there's an even lower-level of connection than the default recovery, but I'm not sure how exactly it differs between the different webos devices, so I should probably bow out |
| 08:01.16 | Amperage | where it gets stuck on the battery icon with the question mark |
| 08:01.31 | Amperage | but to fix those they say to pull the battery. get it into usb recovery then pop the battery back in |
| 08:01.38 | nieve | urgh, yeah |
| 08:01.42 | Amperage | thats obviously not a easy method with this ;) |
| 08:01.46 | nieve | I got an error vaguely like that at one point, but I don't think it was the same thing and rebooting holding power & up did it |
| 08:01.50 | nieve | yes, not really an option |
| 08:01.55 | nieve | sorry I wasted your time |
| 08:02.08 | Amperage | you didn't at all |
| 08:02.16 | Amperage | I appreciate the help |
| 08:03.00 | nieve | I'd try and figure out more, but I have access to neither a windows nor a mac machine and I'm guessing at the differences |
| 08:03.11 | Amperage | would you have any idea where I could get that "Palm" driver? |
| 08:03.28 | Amperage | it's not part of the novacom driver kit |
| 08:04.13 | Amperage | neither was the qualcomm device driver. I stumbled across that in a forum somewhere but haven't lucked into the proper driver for the VolUP+Power device |
| 08:05.07 | Amperage | from what I've read it's supposed to go directly to the usb icon on the screen with volup+power but it gives me a black screen with that palm device only |
| 08:06.19 | Amperage | the only way it will display anything on the screen is if I unplug the usb and do home+power reset. I get the battery + ? icon. with it plugged into usb the screen stays black on reset and only the charging lights work |
| 08:07.26 | Amperage | I guess I could install the sdk on the mac. it's pretty much the same as linux as far as the tools and commands |
| 08:07.41 | Amperage | see if it can detect it there |
| 08:08.29 | nieve | might be useful, if only because the command line tools might give more output? |
| 08:08.57 | nieve | definitely lurk in the channel, though - someone more knowledgeable is likely to get back to you |
| 08:09.30 | Amperage | will do :) |
| 08:09.47 | Amperage | I'll let you know how the mac side with novacom works |
| 08:10.20 | Amperage | I only tried using webos doctor with it. it does pick up the palm device that my win7 comp doesn't have the drivers for |
| 08:10.44 | Amperage | so maybe it'll be "good enough" for novacom |
| 08:11.06 | nieve | at least the webos doctor will give you some debugging output if you run the jar from the command line? I hate 100% gui stuff |
| 08:11.43 | Amperage | yeah I didn't try that |
| 08:12.02 | Amperage | I only used the standard gui and sat there staring at the greyed out next button |
| 08:12.10 | Amperage | when it's tryin to find the tpad |
| 08:12.21 | nieve | I am going to confidently project that it won't do anything useful, thus increasing the chance I'll be proved wrong and you'll get something out of it |
| 08:12.24 | nieve | ah |
| 08:12.34 | Amperage | I understand |
| 08:12.43 | Amperage | I'm willing to try about anything though |
| 08:13.11 | Amperage | been messing with this a couple hours now. Like to get it fixed after investing some time |
| 08:13.17 | Amperage | on a mission now :P |
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| 08:13.54 | Amperage | it's only a couple months old and he tried exchanging it where he bought it first |
| 08:14.07 | Amperage | and even contacted HP.. he didn't have any luck with their support |
| 08:15.40 | Amperage | I could crack open the case and probably unplug the battery but in the event it's actually a hardware failure and I can't reflash it to fix |
| 08:15.53 | Amperage | I'd rather not void the warranty |
| 08:22.43 | nieve | I definitely wouldn't do that yet - there are options between the webos doctor level and that? I'm just not familiar enough with them to help. I tend to stick to poking at luna & digging through the boot & app files |
| 08:24.48 | Amperage | yeah I'm sure there is some way to either reload the first stage boot loader |
| 08:25.08 | Amperage | or force it to ignore that battery error and go into the normal usb recovery |
| 08:25.27 | Amperage | on mac OS I started novacomd then ran novacom |
| 08:25.43 | Amperage | got the same thing as windows. "unable to find device" |
| 08:28.16 | Amperage | on the mac that usb device named palm has the manufacture name "bootie" |
| 08:28.31 | nieve | bootie is the low-level boot loader they use |
| 08:28.38 | Amperage | so I'm figuring thats a device for dev level boot loader coding |
| 08:29.52 | Amperage | I haven't seen any info at all in my searching relating to working with that |
| 08:30.08 | Amperage | like writing a new boot loader etc |
| 08:30.26 | Amperage | most of what I read is that the devices are fairly unbrickable :) |
| 08:30.38 | Amperage | and this one seems to have essentially managed it itself |
| 08:30.55 | nieve | your friend is talented |
| 08:31.06 | Amperage | it still responds but not enough to get the HP recovery tools to do their job |
| 08:31.31 | Amperage | yeah. I'm not sure what happened to set it all off |
| 08:31.47 | Amperage | he's not a tech user at all.. knows enough to plug it in |
| 08:32.17 | Amperage | so if a flash went bad it would have been during a normal auto update or something |
| 08:32.40 | Amperage | he wouldn't have been doing anything like messing with rooting it etc |
| 08:33.12 | Amperage | now me on the other hand |
| 08:33.27 | Amperage | if this were mine and it died it would most likely be my doing |
| 08:33.34 | Amperage | putting ICS or something on it |
| 08:34.13 | Amperage | I got it after the fact so I didn't get to see what caused the problem |
| 08:34.39 | Amperage | other than that battery error blocking usb recovery mode being quite a bad design choice |
| 08:35.22 | Amperage | looks like a decent device |
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| 09:03.17 | nieve | I do kind of wonder if that error symbol can get triggered by things other than low battery |
| 09:03.39 | nieve | and yeah, they're pretty nice and generally aren't this much of a pain to recover. |
| 09:04.46 | Amperage | well it's not the low battery icon |
| 09:04.56 | Amperage | that one is a battery with a red line at the bottom |
| 09:05.09 | nieve | oh! yeah, I know the both the ones you mean. |
| 09:05.26 | nieve | for that matter I've used the webOS Meta-Doctor to put my semi-destroyed original Pre into dev mode, get it on the network, etc. after it took a four story fall onto marble |
| 09:05.37 | Amperage | it's the one with the ? in it.. labeled nobat.tga in the webos doctor jar file |
| 09:06.22 | Amperage | I extracted it and grabbed what I think is the bootie bin file and the recovery uimage |
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| 09:06.44 | Amperage | noticed tga files that showed the various startup screens and errors |
| 09:07.17 | Amperage | obviously there is a battery since it charges and will run off it for hours |
| 09:07.26 | Amperage | but it assumes it's mia |
| 09:07.53 | Amperage | I've read that it's not an uncommon thing for webos devices to get confused |
| 09:08.12 | Amperage | and the chip that reads the battery state needs reset/flashed |
| 09:08.41 | Amperage | but to get to that point you have to pull the battery to get it into usb recovery I think.. if I understood the directions right anyway |
| 09:08.59 | Amperage | then after it's in usb recovery you pop the battery back in before the webos doctor update |
| 09:09.26 | Amperage | those instructions are for a webos phone of course |
| 09:09.31 | Amperage | easy to do that |
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| 09:16.12 | nieve | I'm betting you could hose it even farther with: https://github.com/jcsullins/qdl-upload |
| 09:16.21 | nieve | but I suspect that's kind of the opposite of what you want to do |
| 09:16.37 | nieve | (and yes, that was not a serious suggestion) |
| 09:18.16 | nieve | also this thread seems to have a little useful info, but mostly of the "hope you've got JTAG kit laying around" variety: http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/310969-battery-icon-w-question-mark-researching.html |
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| 09:21.28 | Amperage | I downloaded and compiled a omap boot tool that was made for the palm pre |
| 09:21.50 | Amperage | it's running and I have the touchpad started in bootie recovery mode |
| 09:21.57 | Amperage | but it's not finding it |
| 09:22.16 | Amperage | I saw something about having to edit the device ID in source for another phone |
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| 09:22.27 | Amperage | so I will probably have to do that for it to find the touchpad |
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| 09:23.11 | Amperage | but it's supposed to be able to manually load bootie into recovery mode by sending the bin over usb |
| 09:25.17 | Amperage | looking at those pages you linked |
| 09:25.33 | Amperage | see that one forum post sounds about right |
| 09:25.42 | Amperage | I really doubt it's an actual bad battery |
| 09:25.48 | Amperage | I think the touchpad is just confused |
| 09:26.02 | Amperage | he actually had 2 and opened the good one up |
| 09:26.12 | Amperage | swapped the battery and still had the problem |
| 09:26.44 | Amperage | this guy wasn't attempting to install any custom roms |
| 09:27.18 | Amperage | but I'd imagine that error can occur from a bad flash of any type |
| 09:27.34 | Amperage | even like being powered down mid webos update etc |
| 09:28.32 | Amperage | one thing is for sure.. he broke this one pretty good :) |
| 09:28.55 | Amperage | by the time I get it working I should at least have a good enough toolset installed to fix almost any problem on them |
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| 09:53.53 | jcsullins | Amperage: nieve: the qdl-upload program does not work |
| 09:54.52 | Amperage | what is that for anyway? |
| 09:55.19 | jcsullins | it's was attempt to create program to load stuff from QDL mode |
| 09:55.51 | Amperage | I ran into a dead end with the omap3 boot tool. edited the vendor/device ID and recompiled. said it found the touchpad but couldn't get the asic ID |
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| 09:56.22 | Amperage | so whatever method was used on the palm pre must not be compatible with the HP touchpad |
| 09:56.43 | jcsullins | palm pre is not based on qualcom chipset is it? |
| 09:57.36 | Amperage | no. just checked. it's a TI |
| 09:58.10 | jcsullins | these tools are talking directly to CPU, so VERY CPU specific |
| 09:58.27 | Amperage | yeah I'm just tryin everything :/ |
| 09:58.31 | Amperage | was following http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery |
| 09:59.08 | Amperage | seems a shame that battery error stops even recovery mode from loading |
| 09:59.13 | jcsullins | does novaterm connect to it at all? |
| 09:59.21 | Amperage | no. doesn't get that far :( |
| 09:59.54 | Amperage | I can only get the qualcomm serial device and a Palm device with the manufacture "bootie" to show up |
| 10:00.33 | jcsullins | what do you do to get it in the "bootie" mode? |
| 10:00.38 | Amperage | when I do the home+power reset it goes straight to that battery question mark screen |
| 10:01.21 | Amperage | hold home + power + voldown to get into qualcomm mode then do home + power + volup twice |
| 10:01.43 | Amperage | I can't get it directly into the palm/bootie mode without putting it in qualcomm mode first |
| 10:01.45 | nieve | jcsullins: I probably shouldn't even have joked about it - I certainly didn't think it was at a running stage. |
| 10:02.33 | jcsullins | hmm. when it's in the bootie mode, have you tried connecting w/ novaterm? |
| 10:02.53 | Amperage | but if I first start it with the qualcomm usb device showing up then do the home+power+volup twice the palm device shows up. vendor ID 8030 dev id 8070 |
| 10:03.12 | Amperage | no i haven't tried novaterm yet |
| 10:03.26 | Amperage | take me one sec |
| 10:03.32 | jcsullins | ok, brb |
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| 10:06.21 | Amperage | novaterm gives me the same "unable to find device" error that novacom does |
| 10:07.57 | jcsullins | hmm, so what happens when you hold Power+Home for ~20 secs? does it give the question mark inside battery? |
| 10:09.07 | Amperage | yeah if its unplugged |
| 10:09.30 | jcsullins | it does something different when it's plugged? |
| 10:09.33 | Amperage | if I have the usb cable plugged in it just goes black screen with the cycling home button lights |
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| 10:09.58 | Amperage | unplugged it goes directly to the battery icon screen with the question mark |
| 10:10.20 | Amperage | but it will sit on that screen for hours till the battery goes critical |
| 10:10.30 | jcsullins | oh, really? have you connected it to AC cable and let it sit for few hours? (the cycling home button lights means it's trying to charge) |
| 10:10.41 | Amperage | then occasionally when I home+power it will briefly flash the low batt icon before going to the ? |
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| 10:11.11 | Amperage | yeah I've left it charge for ages on the original adapter. 3 other usb adapters. a couple comps etc |
| 10:11.40 | Amperage | it actually takes a charge cause I've run it so dead it would only show the battery icon for 2-3 seconds before powering back down |
| 10:11.56 | Amperage | if I plug it in for a couple hours it will hold that screen for a long time |
| 10:12.16 | Amperage | so the battery is charging/discharging what seems to be normally |
| 10:12.55 | Amperage | course the touchpad isn't convinced :) |
| 10:13.25 | jcsullins | have you confirmed somehow that the HP AC charger is working properly? |
| 10:14.03 | Amperage | yeah I charged my droidX with it for 10 min or so and battery level went up ~5% |
| 10:14.39 | jcsullins | ok, how long have you let it sit on the HP AC charger without taking it off? |
| 10:15.37 | Amperage | all night |
| 10:15.47 | Amperage | at least 9 hours |
| 10:16.11 | Amperage | when he first gave it to me I couldn't get anything on the screen. was completely dead |
| 10:16.26 | jcsullins | was back of touchpad was at all when you took it off? |
| 10:16.29 | Amperage | I plugged it in for about 20 minutes to the HP charger and started gettin the battery with the ? |
| 10:16.37 | jcsullins | was back of touchpad warm at all when you took it off? |
| 10:16.44 | Amperage | so I assumed it might just need charged more and left it plugged in til I woke up |
| 10:16.56 | Amperage | no but the charger was warm |
| 10:17.17 | Amperage | when i took it back off it had been plugged in for 9 hours or so |
| 10:17.32 | Amperage | most likely if it was warm during charging it topped off and had time to cool before I woke up |
| 10:17.55 | jcsullins | might try leaving it on (HP AC) charger for like 24-48 hrs |
| 10:19.07 | jcsullins | I've heard of it taking that long sometimes to "kick it to life" when the battery gets dead |
| 10:19.28 | Amperage | I think it's actually detecting the battery level |
| 10:19.39 | Amperage | but then immediately after deciding something else is wrong |
| 10:19.43 | Amperage | and it stops booting |
| 10:20.12 | Amperage | cause like I said a bit ago. if I leave it sit on that battery icon a while.. 4-5 hours it'll power down |
| 10:20.33 | jcsullins | if you plug into HP AC charger and hold Power+Home for ~20 secs, does it give the blinking home? |
| 10:20.39 | Amperage | and if I keep doing home+power at that point it'll flash the low battery icon for literally like 1/4 second before the ? icon |
| 10:20.57 | Amperage | if I them plug it in to charge for a while I don't get the low battery icon before the ? icon anymore |
| 10:21.08 | Amperage | yeah |
| 10:21.16 | Amperage | the strange thing though |
| 10:21.29 | Amperage | if I plug it in to charge and do the home+power reset |
| 10:21.43 | Amperage | after a few seconds the home button charging lights start flashing |
| 10:21.47 | Amperage | black screen |
| 10:21.56 | Amperage | then if I unplug it from the charger |
| 10:22.03 | Amperage | the lights still continue to flash |
| 10:22.15 | Amperage | until I do another home+power reset |
| 10:22.48 | Amperage | I'm not sure if that's normal behavior but i thought it seemed strange |
| 10:23.22 | jcsullins | yeah, that doesn't really surprise me. I think it programs the chip that controls the leds to do that then "sleep/charges" |
| 10:24.06 | jcsullins | what was it doing after you left in on the AC charger for 9 hours? |
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| 10:24.22 | Amperage | I did notice also that if I leave it plugged in to charge for a while.. i didn't watch it the whole time |
| 10:24.31 | Amperage | but even though the screen starts out black |
| 10:24.48 | Amperage | eventually the screen will turn on and show the battery ? icon |
| 10:24.56 | Amperage | but it takes a while.. probably 30+min |
| 10:25.16 | Amperage | if it's not plugged in the screen shows up right away |
| 10:25.43 | Amperage | when I woke up after the ~9hour charge it was sitting there with the battery screen |
| 10:25.59 | jcsullins | the battery screen? the one with the ? mark? |
| 10:26.04 | Amperage | yeah |
| 10:26.11 | Amperage | that's the only one it's ever stopped on |
| 10:26.31 | Amperage | it only flashes the low battery icon briefly when it's powering up on an actual low charge |
| 10:26.42 | Amperage | but always ends up on the ? icon |
| 10:26.58 | Amperage | I've never managed to get it to the usb icon |
| 10:27.24 | Amperage | I'm assuming if I can get it there a webos doctor flash might fix the goofy battery issue |
| 10:27.58 | jcsullins | might be the battery really is fried... any reason HP support can't be called? |
| 10:28.35 | Amperage | he tried. dunno exactly who he talked to but he said he was getting the run around by HP support |
| 10:28.58 | Amperage | so he tried just returning it to the retailer and they wouldn't exchange it either |
| 10:29.03 | Amperage | it's ~2months old |
| 10:29.47 | Amperage | the battery actually holds a charge.. but I know there is firmware and some chips built into the battery |
| 10:29.52 | jcsullins | from what you've told me, I'd think they'd fairly quickly send you (him) a box to return in for repair... |
| 10:29.56 | Amperage | that may be reporting wrong |
| 10:30.03 | jcsullins | yeah, that might be |
| 10:30.36 | Amperage | I had a problem last year with a lion upgrade that killed my macbook pro battery |
| 10:30.46 | Amperage | really common issue. apple of course denies it |
| 10:31.06 | Amperage | even though tons of them just happened to have bad batteries after upgrading from snow leo to lion :) |
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| 10:31.33 | Amperage | something was corrupting the battery firmware basically making them a paperweight |
| 10:31.59 | jcsullins | I would suggest you call HP support and tell them what you told me |
| 10:32.01 | Amperage | the thing that makes me wonder though about the battery |
| 10:32.32 | Amperage | was the link nieve posted earlier |
| 10:32.56 | Amperage | guy I think pulled the plug on a webos update |
| 10:33.08 | Amperage | and ended up with the ? battery issue |
| 10:33.26 | Amperage | he tried pulling the bat from a known good touchpad and still had the same |
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| 10:34.41 | Amperage | later in the same post somebody claimed that the chip responsible for managing charging etc most likely gets flashed during webos updates |
| 10:35.20 | Amperage | PmA6Updater performs the flash |
| 10:35.44 | jcsullins | A6 reports battery stats, yes |
| 10:35.57 | Amperage | course without novaterm and gaining access to the device |
| 10:36.04 | Amperage | I can't run that to force a reflash |
| 10:36.41 | Amperage | but considering that it's possible a bad flash could cause that if the charging system flash got messed up |
| 10:37.20 | Amperage | I wish I saw what it was doing before it powered off and failed to come back up |
| 10:37.51 | Amperage | I got it with the story about sucky support and he said "it's busted.. please fix" :P |
| 10:38.46 | Amperage | what I don't understand is even if the battery is completely MIA |
| 10:39.05 | Amperage | why they would design a system you couldn't at least gain filesystem access to |
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| 10:40.36 | jcsullins | Amperage: I may have something to try ... what OS do you have on PC? (hopes linux) |
| 10:41.02 | Amperage | I have win7 and mac os |
| 10:41.11 | Amperage | both with sdk and nova tools etc installed |
| 10:41.38 | Amperage | on the mac side it's pretty much the same as linux.. diff paths to the tools |
| 10:41.49 | Amperage | but the commands and output look identical |
| 10:42.26 | jcsullins | ok, macos might work |
| 10:42.35 | Amperage | if need be I can install linux on vmware or something |
| 10:42.49 | Amperage | if macos command prompt doesn't cooperate |
| 10:43.23 | jcsullins | when you get the 8030/8070 vid/pid ... can you get more info on what it's reporting ... I think that's a DFU mode, but not sure |
| 10:44.04 | Amperage | let me plug back into the macbook |
| 10:46.29 | Amperage | ok got it back up and detecting the "Palm" device |
| 10:47.23 | Amperage | it's reported as the vendor/device ID you listed. manufacture is listed as bootie |
| 10:47.29 | Amperage | version 10.00 |
| 10:48.01 | Amperage | if you have a shell command to dump more device info lemme know |
| 10:48.05 | Amperage | can give it a shot |
| 10:48.16 | bhuey | folks |
| 10:48.25 | Amperage | but system info only gives basic info |
| 10:48.45 | jcsullins | Amperage: you have a "lsusb" command in macos? |
| 10:49.16 | Amperage | not found |
| 10:49.33 | Amperage | so it's not installed anyway. lemme see if it's avail for darwin |
| 10:50.59 | nieve | I haven't use a mac heavily for a while, but isn't there a system_profiler command that'll do it? |
| 10:51.37 | Amperage | yeah |
| 10:51.42 | Amperage | i just did it |
| 10:52.05 | Amperage | system_profiler SPUSBDataType |
| 10:52.15 | Amperage | supposed to be the equiv of lsusb |
| 10:52.29 | Amperage | but it just gives me the same info that the gui profiler lists |
| 10:52.31 | nieve | ah, thanks - now I can find that in my irc logs if I ever get another mac |
| 10:52.34 | nieve | *sigh* |
| 10:53.12 | nieve | just ran across "ioreg -p IOUSB -l" output that looks more extensive |
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| 10:53.56 | nieve | I should have just asked my gf if I could snag her mac earlier :P |
| 10:54.03 | Amperage | yeah. more detailed info on that |
| 10:54.09 | Amperage | even in a handy tree view :) |
| 10:54.19 | Amperage | shows how they are connected to hubs etc |
| 10:55.55 | Amperage | jcsullins: did you need more detailed info on the device? |
| 10:56.22 | jcsullins | does the more detailed info say anything about "DFU" ? |
| 10:56.45 | jcsullins | or "Device Firmware Update" ? |
| 10:57.16 | Amperage | nope. just more info on protocols etc |
| 10:58.03 | jcsullins | hmm, ok, well I'm almost certain that that vid/pid you mentioned *IS* for DFU.. (b/c I just put mine in it) |
| 10:58.13 | Amperage | the friendly names for "USB Product Name" is Palm. "USB Vendor Name" is bootie |
| 10:58.28 | Amperage | so at least it's a device dealing with the boot loader |
| 10:58.40 | jcsullins | so I might have something to help, but it'd be a day or two before I could get it ready ... |
| 10:58.49 | Amperage | dunno if it's linked to the boot.bin stage that loads bootie. or bootie itself |
| 10:59.05 | Amperage | I'm figuring the latter |
| 10:59.28 | jcsullins | technically, there is two booties -- the one that that vid/pid is referring to is the first one |
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| 11:00.24 | Amperage | if you put yours in qualcomm mode |
| 11:00.35 | Amperage | what is the device id |
| 11:00.43 | Amperage | I read somewhere that there is 2 |
| 11:01.03 | Amperage | one is used for normal operation and one is some sort of "bricked" fallback |
| 11:02.20 | Amperage | this one comes up vendor ID 9008 |
| 11:02.48 | Amperage | for the QHSUSB_DLOAD |
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| 11:03.43 | jcsullins | that *is* the "bricked fallback", but you can enter it by doing Power+VolUp IIRC |
| 11:04.10 | jcsullins | btw, what was the product id? |
| 11:04.32 | Amperage | on the palm device of qualcomm? |
| 11:04.36 | Amperage | or* |
| 11:04.53 | jcsullins | qualcom (the one w/ QHUSB_DLOAD) |
| 11:05.12 | Amperage | 05c6 |
| 11:05.59 | Amperage | that's just a usb-> serial inferface tho right? |
| 11:06.06 | Amperage | for low level junk |
| 11:06.30 | jcsullins | well, little more complicated than usb->serial, I think |
| 11:06.51 | Amperage | most of the devices I've messed with like that |
| 11:07.00 | Amperage | it's kinda essentially a poor man's jtag |
| 11:07.06 | jcsullins | but it is the mode where you talk directly to the CPU for "de-bricking" ... but there aren't any public programs to do so (only HP/Qualcom has) |
| 11:07.38 | Amperage | I've had to write directly to the serial interface on some dell alienware comps |
| 11:08.03 | Amperage | cause a poorly mannered firmware update was bricking the lighting chips |
| 11:08.49 | Amperage | yeah I'm not sure that would help with this anyway |
| 11:09.02 | Amperage | I think this problem is a bit higher level |
| 11:09.09 | jcsullins | Amperage: I may be able to fix a version of moboot that will allow you to boot, but it'd be a couple of days ... |
| 11:09.24 | Amperage | since you said it has 2 booties. the first is where I'm stuck |
| 11:09.44 | Amperage | and it stops before it hands execution off to the 2nd that is responsible for entering usb recovery mode right? |
| 11:09.47 | nieve | a couple of days is faster than HP service would do turnaround |
| 11:10.02 | Amperage | I don't want you to go outta your way |
| 11:10.08 | Amperage | unless you are simply curious |
| 11:10.40 | jcsullins | some changes I've been planning on implementing anyway |
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| 11:10.56 | jcsullins | not saying it will fix the problem -- would still suggest calling HP |
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| 11:11.11 | Amperage | yeah i could mention it to him again |
| 11:11.36 | Amperage | but he didn't seem all too happy with his previous call to support |
| 11:11.53 | Amperage | which is how I ended up with it ;) |
| 11:12.18 | Amperage | I don't mind toying around with stuff. I'm the curious type |
| 11:12.22 | jcsullins | might have just got a bad support person -- happens |
| 11:12.28 | Amperage | and perhaps the info could be used later |
| 11:13.20 | Amperage | but I have a whole ton of ps3 and xboxs piled up here. I would have liked a quick volup+power and 30 minutes watching webos doctor :) |
| 11:14.00 | Amperage | oh well.. what can ya do eh? :) |
| 11:14.48 | Amperage | oh the subject of moboot |
| 11:15.06 | Amperage | was read some about that in a android guide |
| 11:15.11 | Amperage | reading* |
| 11:15.38 | Amperage | that doesn't normally get flashed like this does it? |
| 11:15.55 | Amperage | think it was using some dev mode with webos itself booted |
| 11:17.09 | jcsullins | moboot is typically used as a chain-loaded bootloader (bootie loads moboot) that gives menu and allows booting into multiple OSes (webOS, Android, etc.) |
| 11:17.49 | Amperage | yeah i just found where I saw it |
| 11:18.00 | Amperage | was installed as part of acme installer |
| 11:18.10 | jcsullins | however, with some mods, I should be able to get it to load via the DFU mode to allow bypassing the second-stage bootie.... (I wrote moboot, btw) |
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| 11:18.48 | Amperage | nice |
| 11:19.04 | Amperage | I do some coding myself. iphone dev etc |
| 11:19.13 | Amperage | I don't dabble much with low levels stuff though |
| 11:20.04 | Amperage | I do miss the old dos C days |
| 11:20.16 | Amperage | before bloated APIs took over |
| 11:21.49 | Amperage | it's much faster to use stuff like cocoa but seeing a app that can be done in ASM and a 2k memory footprint |
| 11:21.57 | Amperage | gobble up 30mb |
| 11:22.41 | Amperage | makes the me from 1985 want to jump forward in time and punch myself for being lazy :) |
| 11:23.04 | jcsullins | heh, yeah .. coding low-level a different ballgame |
| 11:23.33 | jcsullins | Amperage: you stay on here much? |
| 11:23.46 | Amperage | first time I'm afraid |
| 11:23.55 | Amperage | this touchpad is my first run in with a webos device |
| 11:24.11 | Amperage | I got a tough one outta the gate it seems ;) |
| 11:24.40 | jcsullins | ah, ok ... was gonna say I'd just let you know when I have mods for moboot... but if not on here, guess I can't do that ... :) |
| 11:24.41 | Amperage | I can stop back whenever you like though |
| 11:25.37 | Amperage | or if you use gtalk etc you could just give me a shout there |
| 11:27.16 | Amperage | you seem to prefer the linux side of things |
| 11:27.39 | Amperage | I'm not a big fan of windows myself but I'm a gamer |
| 11:27.44 | Amperage | so.. yeah |
| 11:27.52 | jcsullins | Amperage: how about you PM me your email, and I'll email you? |
| 11:27.59 | Amperage | spend most of my time in windows |
| 11:28.20 | Amperage | do you know of any working win7 64 drivers for that palm "bootie" device? |
| 11:29.48 | jcsullins | no |
| 11:30.10 | jcsullins | most likely will need to use a dfutool in macos, but first will need to modify moboot |
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| 18:11.21 | Cerealklr | Hey all. I'm at it again. Checking out how Kubuntu Active (Plasma Active 2 rebased on Ubuntu) will behave on the TouchPad. Along the way I've done a few interesting things that might be useful to other power users (upgraded the distro, installed some support packages, etc) that I think belongs on the ubuntu chroot page. I was going to add it, but I don't have access. |
| 18:11.35 | Cerealklr | If I write it up, is there somebody I can submit it to to add it to the page? |
| 18:35.45 | cat-xeger | It's a wiki... |
| 18:37.29 | scoutcamper | Cerealklr, rwhitby can grant you access to edit the wiki |
| 18:38.19 | Cerealklr | That would be fine too. I just assumed since it was locked down it'd be easier to work through an intermediary. |
| 18:49.34 | summatusmentis | easier for who? |
| 18:50.16 | Cerealklr | the status quo, I suppose |
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| 19:09.31 | summatusmentis | Cerealklr: my point was only that it might be easier to get you setup with an account than it would for someone to take the time to edit the wki |
| 19:12.12 | Cerealklr | Fair enough. I already have an account (I've contributed in the past) |
| 19:12.16 | Cerealklr | but that page is locked. |
| 19:25.40 | dwc- | which page |
| 19:25.58 | dwc- | the locking down of edit perms happened somewhat more recently |
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| 20:36.13 | drfsrich | Hey all, have a quick question around getting Preware installed on my new Touchpad. It's fully updated, and rooted also running ICS per the last owner. When I enter the code to bring up Developer Mode, the "Developer Mode" icon appears (but isn't called "Developer Mode Enabler," and when I click on it, absolutely nothing happens. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 20:56.56 | RagingMind | drfsrich, the little button doesn't switch from on to off or back? |
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| 21:08.03 | Cerealklr | dwc-: Sorry, the ubuntu chroot page, at: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot |
| 21:08.44 | Cerealklr | Has anybody mussed around with running mysqld in the chroot, by the way? |
| 21:09.06 | Cerealklr | I've just about gotten it (fixed all the errors save one) but it's unable to bind to a port |
| 21:09.20 | Cerealklr | Which means it shuts itself down (since a mysql server running in vacuum is pretty useless) |
| 21:13.53 | rwhitby | Cerealklr: what is your wiki name? |
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| 21:15.45 | Cerealklr | Cerealklr |
| 21:18.04 | Cerealklr | ahah! Success with mysqld, by the way. |
| 21:18.31 | Cerealklr | hmm, need to run some quick errands. When I get back I'll start working on the write ups if I have perms. |
| 21:29.44 | v0n | hi |
| 21:30.15 | v0n | when I try to download WebOS doctor, I get a jnlp file, but java -jar file.jnlp doesn't work |
| 21:30.23 | v0n | what should I do with this file? |
| 21:31.54 | RagingMind | v0n, where are you downloading from? |
| 21:33.05 | v0n | RagingMind, from the link given in the webos-internal wiki: http://ws.palm.com/webosdoctor/serialnumberinitial.htm |
| 21:33.40 | rwhitby | use the direct link from the webos doctor versions wiki page |
| 21:33.51 | rwhitby | jnlp is a download helper, not the doctor .jar file |
| 21:34.41 | bhuey | hey |
| 21:34.44 | rwhitby | Cerealklr: permission granted |
| 21:35.40 | Cerealklr | fantastic, thanks! |
| 21:35.59 | v0n | I have a Palm Pixi Plus (from SFR in France) which is unlocked (by SFR). Then I moved to Montreal. As I wanted to give my phone, I performed a Hard Reset, but now, booting the phone with a Fido card (prepaid Sim provider in Montreal), the phone is block, waiting for me to give a "Internet APN" (Access Point obviously). I tried the Fido internet APN without success (blocked on "checking email...") |
| 21:38.32 | v0n | which is weird because before doing the hard reset, the phone was working with the Fido card (but it was copying every sms on the phone, mixed with my old SMSs and applications, etc.) |
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| 21:42.59 | v0n | you think webOS Doctor will fix that? |
| 21:44.28 | RagingMind | if you've already reset then that's the next step to try |
| 21:46.26 | v0n | ok |
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| 21:55.22 | v0n | arf... I'm on Fedora. I'll try the bootstrap scripts from git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap.git |
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| 22:12.05 | Nel_ | Hey everyone, I forgot to ask something else yesterday while I was here. I have a little problem with wTerm 0.4.0-2 on my TP, when going landscape, the keyboard doesn't use all the space anymore, it just keeps the same size as portrait. I'm not sure if it's a bug or me [not] doing something. Maybe someone or even PuffTheMagic could help? |
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| 22:20.49 | ko1 | it does stretch on pre3 |
| 22:21.27 | ko1 | 0.4.0 |
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| 22:26.24 | Nel_ | Well, the last version where the keyboard worked properly was 0.3.99-2 if I recall correctly, because 0.3.999 completely broke the keyboard, and 0.4.0 fixed it, but now it has this problem |
| 22:30.22 | Nel_ | Here's what it looks like: http://i39.tinypic.com/hvavi9.png |
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| 22:38.44 | mono-c | hello |
| 22:39.23 | mono-c | having a strange issue with new xserver 0.9.7... |
| 22:40.17 | mono-c | it just throws up a black card and dismisses it immediately |
| 22:40.39 | mono-c | and i can't seem to locate the ipk to revert to 0.9.5 |
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| 22:41.13 | mono-c | I mean 0.9.6 |
| 22:46.07 | Nel_ | mono-c: This one maybe? http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.xserver_0.9.6_armv7.ipk |
| 22:46.46 | mono-c | Yes!! Thank you! |
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| 22:49.42 | RagingMind | mono-c, what device/os? |
| 22:52.28 | mono-c | Pre2/2.1.0 |
| 22:54.17 | mono-c | All is well :) |
| 22:54.29 | PuffTheMagic | Nel_, toggle rotation lock |
| 22:56.23 | Nel_ | PuffTheMagic: Magic =O |
| 22:56.30 | Nel_ | Well thanks a lot :D |
| 22:56.33 | RagingMind | mono-c, I've had the same problem on my pre+/2.1 |
| 22:56.59 | PuffTheMagic | Nel_, sorry about the bug, i fixed for the next release |
| 22:58.16 | Nel_ | PuffTheMagic: It's okay, as long as the big keyboard is now usable, keep up the good work :) |
| 22:59.51 | mono-c | I tried2.2.4 but the xerver wouldn't run at all |
| 22:59.58 | mono-c | xserver ^ |
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| 23:18.31 | VICODAN | sup |
| 23:28.08 | mono-c | hmmm, now the second button support would really be useful |
| 23:30.25 | Cerealklr | if someone has some free time and a relatively clean ubuntu/debian chroot, would you mind testing this out for me? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Running_mysqld_in_chroot |
| 23:32.04 | RagingMind | there's a lot of stuff that would be nifty in the xserver, but I've been reading some about wayland and the difficulties of the design of X. I'm starting to doubt that it would be worthwhile to implement more than basic legacy functionality |
| 23:41.34 | LarrySteeze | I wish there was an official manner of temporarily deactivating a palm profile on a device, even if it disallowed the usage of catalog apps. |
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| 23:45.16 | LarrySteeze | though I guess outside of this channel, I guess not many people both own and switch between multiple webos devices |
| 23:46.09 | RagingMind | I'm sure it happens for a lot of people in #webos as well ;) |
| 23:47.40 | LarrySteeze | you know what I mean |
| 23:47.51 | LarrySteeze | I'd just like to skip the whole impostah process |
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