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| 00:11.22 | jtrucks | bhuey: at least you get that!! still sucks though. |
| 00:11.31 | jtrucks | sucks... news says 50%? ouch :( |
| 00:11.49 | jtrucks | that sucks with the job market for those skills being flooded too :( |
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| 00:57.03 | bhuey | jtrucks: yeah major carnage at Palm today |
| 00:57.11 | bhuey | really sad it see it go like that |
| 00:57.15 | bhuey | I'll be lurking here nevertheless |
| 00:58.35 | jmichaelx | what kind of carnage at palm? |
| 00:59.31 | bhuey | mass layoffs today |
| 00:59.34 | bhuey | check precentral |
| 01:00.00 | jmichaelx | ok, ty... god, does HP suck |
| 01:01.16 | bhuey | yeah I don't know the full political situation so I'm sending out feelers now |
| 01:01.28 | bhuey | otherwise private message me |
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| 01:50.27 | wrea | ouch, sorry you're one of the affected bhuey |
| 01:51.58 | balrog | :/ |
| 02:11.55 | bhuey | wrea: don't worry about it, I doubt the changes in HP are restricted to just this |
| 02:12.08 | bhuey | I'm quite employable, former Novell btw :) |
| 02:12.37 | bhuey | it's funny when folks accuse us at Palm of being anti-open source when we were doing our thing last year |
| 02:12.46 | bhuey | because it's full of open source folks |
| 02:12.59 | wrea | When did you move from Novell to Palm? |
| 02:13.55 | bhuey | work at Novell from 2008 |
| 02:14.10 | bhuey | long period of unemployment doing some critical patent work |
| 02:14.26 | bhuey | ran out of money and I joined my favorite OS on this fucking planet, webOS |
| 02:14.38 | bhuey | to work on killer shit and performance related stuff |
| 02:14.56 | bhuey | I had the option of joining the v8 team or any part of the kernel team |
| 02:15.05 | bhuey | I have a lot of killer systems background |
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| 02:37.19 | EricBlade | bhuey: geez, with that kind of history, i'd wonder if you worked on OS/2 also |
| 02:37.35 | EricBlade | jewels of tech that got badly screwed |
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| 02:52.49 | Amperage | hey there :) |
| 02:53.02 | Amperage | back with a new problem.. this time with a palm pre plus |
| 02:54.31 | Amperage | anyone here familiar with beezle waxin's paid roms? purchased one for this phone and the radio won't turn on :( talked to him a bit in emails trying to fix it |
| 02:55.03 | Amperage | getting slower with the replies though. thought somebody here might have an idea on something to try |
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| 03:50.00 | dwc- | Amperage: for a rom of what? |
| 03:51.45 | dwc- | never heard of the guy |
| 03:53.49 | Amperage | for the palm pre plus (verizon) |
| 03:54.02 | dwc- | of what, not for what |
| 03:54.10 | Amperage | he's made cricket (1 click) roms for I guess a couple years now |
| 03:54.50 | Amperage | oh it's just a tweaked stock webos with scripts to inject I guess cricket nv items and prl etc |
| 03:55.07 | Amperage | disables auto updates.. not that it's a problem for this device anymore |
| 03:55.18 | dwc- | so redistributing webos? |
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| 03:55.32 | dwc- | sounds illegal, esp if done for money |
| 03:57.31 | Amperage | not sure how much on the grey side of things it lives.. I'd imagine as long as he's not modifying the original files and just running auto start scripts.. maybe not much they can do |
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| 03:58.20 | Amperage | he's been around a while anyway. the problem I'm having is the cell radio isn't starting. no MEID shows up under info etc |
| 03:59.35 | Amperage | flashing back to the original verizon rom using webos doctor and updating the prl gets *228 working on cricket etc but qpst edits to the carrier data settings isn't enough to get 3g working |
| 04:00.10 | Amperage | guess that's how he's managing to make $$ on the rom. seems a total pita to get it 100% on other carriers |
| 04:01.42 | Amperage | anyway since this channel is kinda devoted to the inner workings of webos |
| 04:02.02 | Amperage | thought somebody might have an idea how to troubleshoot the issue where the radio isn't starting |
| 04:05.59 | kydan | hey guys I have a quick question. I am trying to develop an app using just js and html5, but I need access to the terminal. Is that possible without a custom solution? |
| 04:07.30 | dwc- | has feelings of deja vu |
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| 04:11.21 | dwc- | you need a service or plugin |
| 04:12.48 | Amperage | if you need terminal access on the device itself you can install preware and use it to install a terminal package |
| 04:17.19 | Amperage | been messing around with android phones too much lately. and now webos.. makes me wish I had stuck to linux as my main OS |
| 04:17.38 | Amperage | would be a bit more comfortable editing scripts etc |
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| 04:24.49 | kydan | Amperage: I need my app to be able to run terminal commands. So is that not possible with native webos? |
| 04:25.54 | Amperage | oh. that I couldn't say. I'm not a webos dev by any means. I'm here with my own problem tryin to get some help :) |
| 04:26.25 | Amperage | I'm not versed in the apis avail to applications |
| 04:26.46 | kydan | Amperage: nor am I hehe, thus my reasons for being here. |
| 04:26.49 | kydan | :) |
| 04:27.51 | Amperage | I just did a quick google search. looks like there isn't a easy way without what dwc suggesting |
| 04:28.00 | Amperage | first writing a service to handle it |
| 04:28.30 | kydan | dwc-: I didnt notice your response. So no can do eh? hummm. |
| 04:28.56 | Amperage | I googled "webos development shell commands" |
| 04:29.11 | Amperage | I'd imagine digging through some of those results might yield an answer |
| 04:29.38 | kydan | Amperage: indeed! thanks |
| 04:30.02 | Amperage | np.. and good luck :) |
| 04:30.12 | Amperage | unfortunately google wasn't as forthcomming on my own query |
| 04:30.58 | kydan | Amperage: hah, if I could, i'd help, but considering this is my very first app ever, I doubt I'll be much help |
| 04:31.16 | Amperage | I'm not really having trouble on the app level |
| 04:31.38 | Amperage | more along the lines of something wrong with the startup scripts responsible for loading radio modules etc |
| 04:32.38 | Amperage | using a custom webos rom that does some patches to NV items on startup and the radio isn't avail after boot. don't know enough myself to find out where in the startup sequence things are going wrong |
| 04:34.52 | rwhitby | Amperage: if you paid for this thing, you should get support from the person who sold it to you, no? |
| 04:35.02 | Amperage | I'm attempting to :( |
| 04:35.11 | rwhitby | kydan: do your commands need to run as root? |
| 04:35.13 | Amperage | he's getting increasingly slow with the replies |
| 04:35.33 | rwhitby | Amperage: something which is not unusual when folks are doing illegal things |
| 04:35.53 | kydan | rwhitby: hehe sorry, I was googling |
| 04:36.08 | Amperage | not sure about the legallity of his little enterprise |
| 04:36.13 | kydan | rwhitby: I am trying to write an ssh gui |
| 04:36.43 | Amperage | he's not exactly hiding out from palm/HP pretty public on forums and has a registered website with full name/address etc |
| 04:36.57 | rwhitby | Amperage: the legality is simple. If he's redistributing modified webOS ROMs, then he's breaking the law. |
| 04:37.10 | rwhitby | Copyright law is pretty straight forward. |
| 04:37.56 | rwhitby | kydan: for homebrew or app catalog distribution? |
| 04:37.59 | kydan | rwhitby: so essentially, I just want to run ssh commands from my gui, provided the user has installed openssh |
| 04:38.36 | kydan | rwhitby: for now, just with homebrew, eventually I'd like to get it in app cat, but I think that will require some C++ coding since openssh isnt installed by default |
| 04:38.43 | rwhitby | kydan: have you looked at github.com/rwhitby/hello ? |
| 04:39.10 | kydan | rwhitby: nope, doing it now, thanks! |
| 04:39.10 | Amperage | so it's more the point of including the entier webos flashable with doctor vs applying patches on the device itself? |
| 04:39.16 | Amperage | entire* |
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| 04:41.39 | kydan | rwhitby: what exactly does the hello app demonstrate? |
| 04:45.36 | cryptk | kydan, the hello app demonstrates how to make an SDK app talk to PDK components |
| 04:45.41 | cryptk | as well as node components |
| 04:45.42 | cryptk | etc |
| 04:46.02 | kydan | cryptk: ahh ok, makes sense |
| 04:46.10 | cryptk | the hello app has all the various service types that an SDK app can use, and talks to all of them |
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| 04:47.06 | rwhitby | and does so from both mojo and enyo on all sorts of devices and webOS versions |
| 04:50.27 | kydan | rwhitby: I'll go pull it down on my touchpad and take a look. |
| 04:50.36 | kydan | rwhitby: thanks for your help and patience |
| 04:53.07 | bhuey | hey |
| 04:53.33 | bhuey | EricBlade: I work on Linux :) it's doing well :) |
| 04:54.24 | rwhitby | Amperage: exactly. redistributing the modified files violates copyright. the end user patching their own installation is not. |
| 04:54.49 | rwhitby | Amperage: distributing a tool which allows the end user to modify and flash their own installation is also fine. |
| 04:56.07 | Amperage | hrm. I think most of what the rom does is just extra init scripts and there is a custom binary named ev4g that has a number of commandline parms |
| 04:56.25 | Amperage | like ev4g write_nv_items |
| 04:58.39 | Amperage | it most likely could be done as a user installed package using novacom |
| 04:58.47 | kydan | do you have to be root to install preware from the bootstrap script on terminal? |
| 04:59.48 | Amperage | they have a handy little installer I used :) |
| 05:00.03 | Amperage | put the phone in dev mode. ran the installer. one button and woot.. preware |
| 05:00.36 | kydan | yeah, im just trying to run it from my touchpad |
| 05:00.44 | kydan | well, install it, not run. |
| 05:01.05 | rwhitby | to install preware from on the device, you have to be root |
| 05:01.17 | kydan | rwhitby: thanks |
| 05:01.23 | rwhitby | to get root, you have to have previously done the things needed to install preware |
| 05:01.47 | rwhitby | http://bit.ly/phd-ac shows how to do that |
| 05:01.54 | kydan | rwhitby: hehe yes, just was reinstalling preware and didnt want to go get the quickinstaller |
| 05:02.12 | rwhitby | I personally just use palm-install from the official SDK. |
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| 06:00.55 | bhuey | hey hernacki |
| 06:01.09 | bhuey | was cut today at Palm along with a number of other folks |
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| 06:53.21 | balrog | .ipkg rather |
| 06:53.29 | balrog | I need to test changes to a progra |
| 06:53.29 | balrog | m |
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| 07:24.58 | EricBlade | hmm. did i completely miss this in the chaos over the last day, or did this just post really late ... OpenAL, OpenGL ES and WebGL, GStreamer, LevelDB, and Novacom for March release ... |
| 07:26.04 | wrea | I just saw it too |
| 07:26.17 | EricBlade | it's dated yesterday, but .. |
| 07:26.29 | wrea | it'd be PST |
| 07:26.35 | wrea | Still the 28th here |
| 07:26.39 | EricBlade | ah, right |
| 07:27.00 | EricBlade | i was thinking it had been the 29th here for the past 24 hrs, but it is after midnight |
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| 07:28.09 | EricBlade | I wonder if this is what would've happened for 3.0 had not there been that nasty hardware release schedule to stick to |
| 07:28.26 | wrea | and yet another abstraction layer |
| 07:30.05 | EricBlade | i want to say it's exciting, but we don't have it running yet |
| 07:30.37 | wrea | the improvements to qtwebkit are a plus |
| 07:31.35 | wrea | novacom is the most exciting thing, for me anyway |
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| 13:08.24 | CWFlink | have tuckerbox installed... Preware unib |
| 13:10.22 | CWFlink | preware/tuckerbox allows me to remove base camera but hangs on install when i attempt to put it back. Known bug? Need doctor? |
| 13:18.22 | CWFlink | Yep... Appears to list as "unknown" various base apps such as camera, allows removal, but not install. |
| 13:19.43 | CWFlink | Immediately after removal, offers install but spins if you try. /,,, |
| 13:20.10 | CWFlink | Work around to restore camera ot |
| 13:20.34 | CWFlink | or must i doctor? |
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| 19:27.18 | bhuey | is about to drive back up to SF |
| 19:27.31 | bhuey | and pick through the ashes of HP/Palm |
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| 19:37.57 | jtrucks | bhuey: :( |
| 19:39.04 | dwc- | hope you find some good stuff! |
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| 19:43.37 | bhuey | yeah that's how it goes man, it's depressing |
| 19:45.20 | wrea | Go steal all the office supplies you can |
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| 19:54.18 | bhuey | the bummer is having to return my Opal |
| 19:54.23 | bhuey | I love that thing |
| 19:55.05 | dwc- | get them to donate it to you@webos-internals |
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| 20:30.55 | EricBlade | bhuey: :( :( |
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| 20:45.20 | Kysh | wrea: The office supplies are sucky :> |
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| 20:54.05 | EricBlade | they really need to leak all those Opals.. |
| 20:54.09 | cat-xeger | http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/29/railgun-test-fire-video/ |
| 20:54.14 | cat-xeger | Whoops, sorry! |
| 20:55.05 | str8gr4fx | hey im havin an issue with gettin preware |
| 20:57.37 | wrea | Kysh, never said to use the stolen supplies :P |
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