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03:14.42bhueywhat's the current status on the qtwebkit project ? it building yet ?
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04:40.06kabadraI'm getting my first webos device tomorrow (unlocked pixi plus), and I'm preparing to install a rom with webos doctor.  could someone please help me understand a little better which jar file is best to start with.  for instance  what's different between each of the 1.4.5 files on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions?
04:41.31cryptkkabadra, you need to start with the one for your device
04:42.23wxlkabadra: you also need the one for your carrier
04:42.34cryptkwxl, that's what I said
04:42.45wxlcryptk: well, device != carrier but ok
04:44.09kabadrawhy are the images carrier specific?
04:44.31wxlcuz each carrier is different :D
04:45.24kabadrawell, yea? but even though my carrier is on the list, I'm buying it unlocked for when I travel.  will it prevent me from using it on another carrier?
04:45.48cryptkkabadra, some are GSM, some are CDMA
04:45.57cryptkthat's just one of the differences
04:46.01kabadraahhhh
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04:47.18kabadraso, then any gsm rom will work if my phone & carrier are gsm?
04:49.14cryptkkabadra, in theory, but it would be best to use the doctor for the carrier that your phone originally came from
04:49.32cryptkbut if your phone and carrier are GSM, then any doctor for a GSM pixi /should/ work
04:49.37cryptkrwhitby, would know better than me
04:51.35kabadrathat's very helpful info.  thank you
04:51.51kabadrain case you're in the market, here's the link: http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Pixi-Plus-GSM-Screen/dp/tech-data/B005BE0BNQ
04:52.35kabadraI'm going to look through the list and pick out the gsm roms to download and diff to decide
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05:15.03kabadraare there any things that you would routinely remove from your roms before doctoring it to your phone?
05:16.23kabadrasry, asked quickly.  found good info at:  http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/
05:18.12cryptkkabadra, the doctors aren't like the roms that you are familiar with from platforms like android
05:18.31cryptkwe actually kind of shy away from calling them roms, mainly because they aren't read-only like the ones you get in the android world
05:18.40cryptkthe doctor actually takes them apart and customizes them for you
05:19.43kabadracryptk:  could you please recommend some knowledge resources about the doctor?
05:20.12cryptkthe page on webos-internals.org about it would be a good place to start
05:20.27cryptkbut the doctor is basically a utility to reprogram your phone back to stock
05:20.52cryptkthen we have the meta-doctor, which can take apart doctors, customize them, and put them back together, so you can have a customized doctor to program your device with
05:22.05kabadrak, it's meta-doctor I need to read up on.  ty
05:23.13kabadrahttp://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor  (for reference)
05:23.25cryptkyep, that's the right page
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09:21.32bhueyhttp://www.theverge.com/2012/3/14/2870116/hp-palm-three-year-plan-cut-short-leo-apotheker-says-former
09:21.35bhueyI love that picture
09:31.46cryptklol
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09:54.59ice8luehey guys
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10:54.51SuperfroggyHi - been trying to get a Touchpad (UK 3G prototype) to flash Webdoctor 3.0.0 (or any version for that matter) - keep getting "not for your device message" at 8% .. tried metadoctor which didnt seem to change anything ... any ideas please?  Can novaterm ok.
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12:20.06Flemmardhi guys
12:20.50Flemmardsomeone knows a bit about touchpad internals? webos crap)
12:21.26Flemmardi wonder if there's a diag mode in it
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13:14.26Superfroggyhi flkemmard - have you tried naterm?
13:14.52Superfroggyi'll try that again ... Hi Flemmard, have you tried Novaterm?
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14:32.43Flemmardhi sorry i was not there
14:34.11FlemmardSuperfroggy: i mean, on htc sensation (for example), doing echo 1 > /sys/devices/virtual/usb_composite/diag/enable
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14:50.31summatusmentisFlemmard: what does that do?
14:50.42summatusmentisnovaterm gets you a full shell on the device
14:50.44Flemmardthat put's phone into 'diagnose' mode
14:50.51Flemmardto get firmware and all this crap
14:50.57Flemmardthis might help on unbriking some devices
14:51.39summatusmentisI _think_ there's soemthing equivalent that the Doctor puts a webOS device into
14:51.43summatusmentisbut I'm not cerain
14:51.47summatusmentiscertain*
14:51.51Flemmardhm
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14:52.15Flemmardin fact we have two modes
14:52.16Flemmardthe 'QHSUSB_DLOAD '
14:52.22Flemmardwhich is to inject to touchpad
14:52.25Flemmardbut there's another
14:52.28Flemmardand i can't get it
14:52.46summatusmentiswhat's your end goal?
14:53.02Flemmardunbrick my touchpad
14:53.21summatusmentishow did you brick it?
14:53.35summatusmentisafaik, they you can't easily brick a touchpad
14:54.00Flemmardi edited by hand partition layout in a doctor
14:54.01Flemmardand forced it to do it
14:54.03Flemmard(:
14:56.09summatusmentishrm
14:56.23Flemmardi think i was the first to brick it lol
14:56.35summatusmentisI don't think it's bricked
14:56.50summatusmentisyou may need to completely revert the partition layout
14:57.04summatusmentisI'm not certain of the specifics
14:57.15Flemmardit just shows black svreen
14:57.23Flemmardand detected on computer as QHSUSB_DLOAD
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15:06.09summatusmentismaybe this is a stupid question, but is there any way to recognize multi-touch events regardless of what card(or if a card) has focus?
15:06.41SuperfroggyI've got a similar problem ... webos doctor refuses to recognise the device, although I can novoterm in .. i think 3.0.0 resets all the partition information, but cant get it to run
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16:48.32rrixDoes Enyo2 have a storage layer yet?
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20:28.05rwhitbySuperfroggy: is it 7inch?
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21:17.53rwhitbyhi swisstomcat
21:18.03swisstomcathey rwhitby
21:20.26bhueyreads forum flames wars
21:20.27bhueyfun
21:20.36rwhitbybhuey: url?
21:20.41swisstomcathehe
21:20.56bhueysame crap on webosnation
21:21.02swisstomcatignore
21:21.02bhueyabout Palm fuding being cut
21:21.05bhueyfunding
21:21.26bhueylike the trollage is funny at times
21:23.04bhueyall I care about is whether or not one of the precious Verizon Pre 3's is still in my pocket
21:24.12rwhitbywe've got one of those to auction off
21:24.23bhueyoh really ? nice
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21:24.44bhueytoo bad they didn't make any more of them
21:24.51EvilBillI still want a GSM Pre3, and/or a Veer.
21:24.54EvilBillbut that's me. lol.
21:25.04bhueyVerizon ones are world phones
21:25.10bhueyboth CDMA and GSM radios
21:25.15EvilBillI still need to get down to making patches.
21:25.17swisstomcatevilbill: what do you want to do with them?
21:25.17bhueyno HSPA+ though
21:25.19EvilBillbeen buried lately.
21:25.29EvilBillMy daughter is screaming for a Veer.
21:25.37EvilBillseriously, she saw one and fell in love.
21:25.41bhueythe biggest thing that can come to any webOS platform now is qtwebkit
21:25.46bhueynot a trivial adventure
21:25.56EvilBillMe, I just have a Pre2 and a Touchpad, and the "gotta have them all" thing is bugging me. I don't have a real use for them.
21:26.00bhueywonders what the progress of that project is
21:26.21swisstomcatisis desktop is the latest post on the project wiki
21:26.32bhueyurl ?
21:26.33swisstomcati failed to build it so far tho
21:26.36swisstomcatisis-project.org
21:26.46bhueyyeah missing core packages and probably other bits of code I'm sure
21:27.03swisstomcati'm even failing to build qt :/
21:27.48bhueyyeah well, that's how it goes
21:27.49dwc-my webkit is failing on tests that aren't applicable with palm's customizations to qt (disabling context menus, e.g.)
21:27.52bhueyit's really kind of DoA
21:28.32bhueyI should be able to do something when the full kernel sources are release so...
21:28.35bhueyI'm waiting
21:28.46bhueybut I need powerd as well
21:29.19bhueythe msm8660 kernels have shit for power handling
21:29.31bhueyblame CoreAuroa and Qualcomm
21:29.52swisstomcatdwc: how far did you get with the nokia qt? my webkit build fails at the beginning
21:30.12PatrickCloves his nokia phone
21:30.20PatrickChttp://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/03/sams-blog-a-community-release/ cool
21:30.26PatrickCthanks for the tip rwhitby :)
21:30.40dwc-swisstomcat: I haven't looked at the vanilla qt since mid-feb
21:30.43bhueyPatrickC: which one ?
21:30.52PatrickClumia 800
21:31.00dwc-which is what I started with before someone mentioned the palm qt repo there....
21:31.28dwc-it's not too bad so far, disabling tests is pretty #ifndef easy
21:31.52dwc-(since I can tell the lack of contextmenu is what's killing them)
21:32.19bhueyoh nie
21:32.20bhueynice
21:32.25bhueywhat about the full git logs ?
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21:34.58rwhitbybhuey: "You should be able to work with it on any standard Linux kernel (e.g., Ubuntu or Debian-based) for now." - any idea what that means?
21:35.06bhueyno fucking clue
21:35.18swisstomcatno clue
21:35.23bhueydon't know what 'it' is here
21:35.33swisstomcatthe hal?
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21:37.01rwhitbyI read it as the HAL can be used on a desktop linux distro to run webOS services.
21:37.16swisstomcatwhat does the HAL actually do?
21:38.06bhueyswisstomcat: good question, you should ask Sam about it directly maybe
21:38.30bhueyin particular when the ETA for HAL related portability bits are coming ?
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21:38.49swisstomcatapparently the hal will run on top of any standard linux kernel
21:38.55swisstomcatthat is what it means
21:39.10bhueywhere's the specification for it ? code ?
21:39.28bhueyif no code then where's the specification ? it's an open source project right ?
21:39.29swisstomcati assume that the code will be released
21:39.53swisstomcat"in the next few days"
21:40.44bhuey~.
21:40.45infobotmethinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for.
21:40.51bhueybah
21:40.59bhueyconnection froze
21:43.41dwc-you seem to hit that trigger I stuck in there a lot ;)
21:45.33bhueyhappens
21:45.39bhueysocket went funky
21:47.36bhueyok need to pick up my car but need to walk in the rain to do that, lame. Laters
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22:20.54PuffTheMagic"the HAL" or HAL
22:21.09PuffTheMagicharware abstraction layer
22:21.19PuffTheMagicwhich most modern distos rely on
22:22.42PuffTheMagichttp://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal
22:23.32PuffTheMagici cant imagine new HAL source needing to be released
22:23.41PuffTheMagicmaybe some policies for hardware
22:23.54PuffTheMagiclike input devices
22:24.13Superfroggyrwhitby - nope v early UK model with SIM card (I think based on the AT&T model) - trouble is s/n doesnt match with any of the builds on webos internals repository of webdoctors
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22:49.01rwhitbyHAL is used here as an abstract term for such a layer of software, not as a reference to a gnome component.
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22:52.48jcsullinshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000 <-- not this HAL? :)
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22:56.27wreaI hope not
22:58.02rwhitbyI'm sorry, Leo. I can't do that...
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