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03:14.42 | bhuey | what's the current status on the qtwebkit project ? it building yet ? |
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04:40.06 | kabadra | I'm getting my first webos device tomorrow (unlocked pixi plus), and I'm preparing to install a rom with webos doctor. could someone please help me understand a little better which jar file is best to start with. for instance what's different between each of the 1.4.5 files on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions? |
04:41.31 | cryptk | kabadra, you need to start with the one for your device |
04:42.23 | wxl | kabadra: you also need the one for your carrier |
04:42.34 | cryptk | wxl, that's what I said |
04:42.45 | wxl | cryptk: well, device != carrier but ok |
04:44.09 | kabadra | why are the images carrier specific? |
04:44.31 | wxl | cuz each carrier is different :D |
04:45.24 | kabadra | well, yea? but even though my carrier is on the list, I'm buying it unlocked for when I travel. will it prevent me from using it on another carrier? |
04:45.48 | cryptk | kabadra, some are GSM, some are CDMA |
04:45.57 | cryptk | that's just one of the differences |
04:46.01 | kabadra | ahhhh |
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04:47.18 | kabadra | so, then any gsm rom will work if my phone & carrier are gsm? |
04:49.14 | cryptk | kabadra, in theory, but it would be best to use the doctor for the carrier that your phone originally came from |
04:49.32 | cryptk | but if your phone and carrier are GSM, then any doctor for a GSM pixi /should/ work |
04:49.37 | cryptk | rwhitby, would know better than me |
04:51.35 | kabadra | that's very helpful info. thank you |
04:51.51 | kabadra | in case you're in the market, here's the link: http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Pixi-Plus-GSM-Screen/dp/tech-data/B005BE0BNQ |
04:52.35 | kabadra | I'm going to look through the list and pick out the gsm roms to download and diff to decide |
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05:15.03 | kabadra | are there any things that you would routinely remove from your roms before doctoring it to your phone? |
05:16.23 | kabadra | sry, asked quickly. found good info at: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/ |
05:18.12 | cryptk | kabadra, the doctors aren't like the roms that you are familiar with from platforms like android |
05:18.31 | cryptk | we actually kind of shy away from calling them roms, mainly because they aren't read-only like the ones you get in the android world |
05:18.40 | cryptk | the doctor actually takes them apart and customizes them for you |
05:19.43 | kabadra | cryptk: could you please recommend some knowledge resources about the doctor? |
05:20.12 | cryptk | the page on webos-internals.org about it would be a good place to start |
05:20.27 | cryptk | but the doctor is basically a utility to reprogram your phone back to stock |
05:20.52 | cryptk | then we have the meta-doctor, which can take apart doctors, customize them, and put them back together, so you can have a customized doctor to program your device with |
05:22.05 | kabadra | k, it's meta-doctor I need to read up on. ty |
05:23.13 | kabadra | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor (for reference) |
05:23.25 | cryptk | yep, that's the right page |
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09:21.32 | bhuey | http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/14/2870116/hp-palm-three-year-plan-cut-short-leo-apotheker-says-former |
09:21.35 | bhuey | I love that picture |
09:31.46 | cryptk | lol |
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09:54.59 | ice8lue | hey guys |
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10:54.51 | Superfroggy | Hi - been trying to get a Touchpad (UK 3G prototype) to flash Webdoctor 3.0.0 (or any version for that matter) - keep getting "not for your device message" at 8% .. tried metadoctor which didnt seem to change anything ... any ideas please? Can novaterm ok. |
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12:20.06 | Flemmard | hi guys |
12:20.50 | Flemmard | someone knows a bit about touchpad internals? webos crap) |
12:21.26 | Flemmard | i wonder if there's a diag mode in it |
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13:14.26 | Superfroggy | hi flkemmard - have you tried naterm? |
13:14.52 | Superfroggy | i'll try that again ... Hi Flemmard, have you tried Novaterm? |
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14:32.43 | Flemmard | hi sorry i was not there |
14:34.11 | Flemmard | Superfroggy: i mean, on htc sensation (for example), doing echo 1 > /sys/devices/virtual/usb_composite/diag/enable |
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14:50.31 | summatusmentis | Flemmard: what does that do? |
14:50.42 | summatusmentis | novaterm gets you a full shell on the device |
14:50.44 | Flemmard | that put's phone into 'diagnose' mode |
14:50.51 | Flemmard | to get firmware and all this crap |
14:50.57 | Flemmard | this might help on unbriking some devices |
14:51.39 | summatusmentis | I _think_ there's soemthing equivalent that the Doctor puts a webOS device into |
14:51.43 | summatusmentis | but I'm not cerain |
14:51.47 | summatusmentis | certain* |
14:51.51 | Flemmard | hm |
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14:52.15 | Flemmard | in fact we have two modes |
14:52.16 | Flemmard | the 'QHSUSB_DLOAD ' |
14:52.22 | Flemmard | which is to inject to touchpad |
14:52.25 | Flemmard | but there's another |
14:52.28 | Flemmard | and i can't get it |
14:52.46 | summatusmentis | what's your end goal? |
14:53.02 | Flemmard | unbrick my touchpad |
14:53.21 | summatusmentis | how did you brick it? |
14:53.35 | summatusmentis | afaik, they you can't easily brick a touchpad |
14:54.00 | Flemmard | i edited by hand partition layout in a doctor |
14:54.01 | Flemmard | and forced it to do it |
14:54.03 | Flemmard | (: |
14:56.09 | summatusmentis | hrm |
14:56.23 | Flemmard | i think i was the first to brick it lol |
14:56.35 | summatusmentis | I don't think it's bricked |
14:56.50 | summatusmentis | you may need to completely revert the partition layout |
14:57.04 | summatusmentis | I'm not certain of the specifics |
14:57.15 | Flemmard | it just shows black svreen |
14:57.23 | Flemmard | and detected on computer as QHSUSB_DLOAD |
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15:06.09 | summatusmentis | maybe this is a stupid question, but is there any way to recognize multi-touch events regardless of what card(or if a card) has focus? |
15:06.41 | Superfroggy | I've got a similar problem ... webos doctor refuses to recognise the device, although I can novoterm in .. i think 3.0.0 resets all the partition information, but cant get it to run |
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20:17.58 | swisstomcat | evening |
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20:28.05 | rwhitby | Superfroggy: is it 7inch? |
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21:17.53 | rwhitby | hi swisstomcat |
21:18.03 | swisstomcat | hey rwhitby |
21:20.26 | bhuey | reads forum flames wars |
21:20.27 | bhuey | fun |
21:20.36 | rwhitby | bhuey: url? |
21:20.41 | swisstomcat | hehe |
21:20.56 | bhuey | same crap on webosnation |
21:21.02 | swisstomcat | ignore |
21:21.02 | bhuey | about Palm fuding being cut |
21:21.05 | bhuey | funding |
21:21.26 | bhuey | like the trollage is funny at times |
21:23.04 | bhuey | all I care about is whether or not one of the precious Verizon Pre 3's is still in my pocket |
21:24.12 | rwhitby | we've got one of those to auction off |
21:24.23 | bhuey | oh really ? nice |
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21:24.44 | bhuey | too bad they didn't make any more of them |
21:24.51 | EvilBill | I still want a GSM Pre3, and/or a Veer. |
21:24.54 | EvilBill | but that's me. lol. |
21:25.04 | bhuey | Verizon ones are world phones |
21:25.10 | bhuey | both CDMA and GSM radios |
21:25.15 | EvilBill | I still need to get down to making patches. |
21:25.17 | swisstomcat | evilbill: what do you want to do with them? |
21:25.17 | bhuey | no HSPA+ though |
21:25.19 | EvilBill | been buried lately. |
21:25.29 | EvilBill | My daughter is screaming for a Veer. |
21:25.37 | EvilBill | seriously, she saw one and fell in love. |
21:25.41 | bhuey | the biggest thing that can come to any webOS platform now is qtwebkit |
21:25.46 | bhuey | not a trivial adventure |
21:25.56 | EvilBill | Me, I just have a Pre2 and a Touchpad, and the "gotta have them all" thing is bugging me. I don't have a real use for them. |
21:26.00 | bhuey | wonders what the progress of that project is |
21:26.21 | swisstomcat | isis desktop is the latest post on the project wiki |
21:26.32 | bhuey | url ? |
21:26.33 | swisstomcat | i failed to build it so far tho |
21:26.36 | swisstomcat | isis-project.org |
21:26.46 | bhuey | yeah missing core packages and probably other bits of code I'm sure |
21:27.03 | swisstomcat | i'm even failing to build qt :/ |
21:27.48 | bhuey | yeah well, that's how it goes |
21:27.49 | dwc- | my webkit is failing on tests that aren't applicable with palm's customizations to qt (disabling context menus, e.g.) |
21:27.52 | bhuey | it's really kind of DoA |
21:28.32 | bhuey | I should be able to do something when the full kernel sources are release so... |
21:28.35 | bhuey | I'm waiting |
21:28.46 | bhuey | but I need powerd as well |
21:29.19 | bhuey | the msm8660 kernels have shit for power handling |
21:29.31 | bhuey | blame CoreAuroa and Qualcomm |
21:29.52 | swisstomcat | dwc: how far did you get with the nokia qt? my webkit build fails at the beginning |
21:30.12 | PatrickC | loves his nokia phone |
21:30.20 | PatrickC | http://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/03/sams-blog-a-community-release/ cool |
21:30.26 | PatrickC | thanks for the tip rwhitby :) |
21:30.40 | dwc- | swisstomcat: I haven't looked at the vanilla qt since mid-feb |
21:30.43 | bhuey | PatrickC: which one ? |
21:30.52 | PatrickC | lumia 800 |
21:31.00 | dwc- | which is what I started with before someone mentioned the palm qt repo there.... |
21:31.28 | dwc- | it's not too bad so far, disabling tests is pretty #ifndef easy |
21:31.52 | dwc- | (since I can tell the lack of contextmenu is what's killing them) |
21:32.19 | bhuey | oh nie |
21:32.20 | bhuey | nice |
21:32.25 | bhuey | what about the full git logs ? |
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21:34.58 | rwhitby | bhuey: "You should be able to work with it on any standard Linux kernel (e.g., Ubuntu or Debian-based) for now." - any idea what that means? |
21:35.06 | bhuey | no fucking clue |
21:35.18 | swisstomcat | no clue |
21:35.23 | bhuey | don't know what 'it' is here |
21:35.33 | swisstomcat | the hal? |
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21:37.01 | rwhitby | I read it as the HAL can be used on a desktop linux distro to run webOS services. |
21:37.16 | swisstomcat | what does the HAL actually do? |
21:38.06 | bhuey | swisstomcat: good question, you should ask Sam about it directly maybe |
21:38.30 | bhuey | in particular when the ETA for HAL related portability bits are coming ? |
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21:38.49 | swisstomcat | apparently the hal will run on top of any standard linux kernel |
21:38.55 | swisstomcat | that is what it means |
21:39.10 | bhuey | where's the specification for it ? code ? |
21:39.28 | bhuey | if no code then where's the specification ? it's an open source project right ? |
21:39.29 | swisstomcat | i assume that the code will be released |
21:39.53 | swisstomcat | "in the next few days" |
21:40.44 | bhuey | ~. |
21:40.45 | infobot | methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. |
21:40.51 | bhuey | bah |
21:40.59 | bhuey | connection froze |
21:43.41 | dwc- | you seem to hit that trigger I stuck in there a lot ;) |
21:45.33 | bhuey | happens |
21:45.39 | bhuey | socket went funky |
21:47.36 | bhuey | ok need to pick up my car but need to walk in the rain to do that, lame. Laters |
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22:20.54 | PuffTheMagic | "the HAL" or HAL |
22:21.09 | PuffTheMagic | harware abstraction layer |
22:21.19 | PuffTheMagic | which most modern distos rely on |
22:22.42 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal |
22:23.32 | PuffTheMagic | i cant imagine new HAL source needing to be released |
22:23.41 | PuffTheMagic | maybe some policies for hardware |
22:23.54 | PuffTheMagic | like input devices |
22:24.13 | Superfroggy | rwhitby - nope v early UK model with SIM card (I think based on the AT&T model) - trouble is s/n doesnt match with any of the builds on webos internals repository of webdoctors |
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22:49.01 | rwhitby | HAL is used here as an abstract term for such a layer of software, not as a reference to a gnome component. |
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22:52.48 | jcsullins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000 <-- not this HAL? :) |
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22:56.27 | wrea | I hope not |
22:58.02 | rwhitby | I'm sorry, Leo. I can't do that... |
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