irclog2html for #wowace on 20060419

`00:07.37`	`*** part/#wowace Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@proxy-ce1.disney.com)`
`00:08.07`	`ckknight`	`hrm, scrollable tooltips waas surprisingly easy to implement`
`00:09.54`	`ckknight`	`was*`
`00:11.20`	`Mikma`	`screenshot!`
`00:12.19`	`ckknight`	`not yet`
`00:12.23`	`ckknight`	`I need arrows first`
`00:13.52`	`Kaelten`	`hiya guys`
`00:14.13`	`Mikma`	`yello`
`00:14.15`	`Cairenn`	`hey Kaelten`
`00:14.19`	`Kaelten`	`hey Cair!`
`00:14.22`	`Kaelten`	`hey Mikma!`
`00:14.34`	`cladhair1`	`Evening`
`00:14.45`	`ckknight`	`how do I show the arrows in a good UI way?`
`00:15.14`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: .xml :P`
`00:15.20`	`ckknight`	`wtf?`
`00:15.33`	`Mikma`	`just a sec`
`00:15.44`	`ckknight`	`are you serious, Mikma?`
`00:16.29`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/frame12.html`
`00:16.42`	`Kaelten`	`hi clad`
`00:16.45`	`Mikma`	`<Button name="$parent_Button4" inherits="UIPanelScrollUpButtonTemplate" id="13">`
`00:16.47`	`Mikma`	`etc`
`00:16.58`	`ckknight`	`...`
`00:17.06`	`ckknight`	`I know how to do that stuff`
`00:17.20`	`ckknight`	`and XML is evil`
`00:17.29`	`Mikma`	`would it be funny if i would say "o'rly" :P`
`00:17.38`	`ckknight`	`not really`
`00:17.46`	`ckknight`	`I hardly use any XML in any of the FuBar stuff`
`00:17.52`	`ckknight`	`it's not efficient`
`00:17.58`	`Mikma`	`and yes, to hell with xml it's horrible`
`00:18.00`	`ckknight`	`well, it's more efficient to do it in lua`
`00:18.19`	`ckknight`	`I'm talking about the scrollable tooltips`
`00:18.26`	`ckknight`	`I want to show that you can scroll down/up more`
`00:18.35`	`Tain`	`Oh dear lord, let us pray before my new 20" widescreen monitor.`
`00:18.43`	`ckknight`	`?`
`00:19.12`	`ckknight`	`you scroll by using the mouse wheel on the plugin itself`
`00:19.19`	`Tain`	`I'm completely overwhelmed by it. It's... amazing.`
`00:20.40`	Neronix`sleep	`night`
`00:24.20`	`Mikma`	`i <3 my 12" lcd`
`00:27.09`	`Kaelten`	`if anyone could help me test it out I have a new module for KCI up on the svn`
`00:28.19`	`*** join/#wowace Tem (n=Tem@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net)`
`00:28.19`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Tem] by ChanServ`
`00:28.24`	`Kaelten`	`hey tem`
`00:28.41`	`cladhaire`	`heyas Tem`
`00:28.54`	`Mikma`	`Kaelten: ah, same feature as http://www.fizzwidget.com/linkerator/`
`00:29.17`	`Tekkub`	`Kael, can you enable the media crap on the wiki so I can put in images?`
`00:29.17`	`Tem`	`holy cow I connect fast`
`00:29.23`	`cladhaire`	`??`
`00:30.21`	`Kaelten`	`Mikma, ya`
`00:30.37`	`Kaelten`	`mikma except I borrowed an idea from tem so there is no memory usage associated`
`00:30.45`	`Kaelten`	`tekkub huh?`
`00:31.07`	`Tekkub`	`well it is MEDIAwiki`
`00:31.16`	`Tekkub`	`why can't I use the media functionality?`
`00:31.18`	`Mikma`	`Kaelten: just one question, can there be a feature to complete the items by pressing tab? or is that even possible at all`
`00:31.29`	`cladhaire`	`http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/Special:Upload`
`00:31.32`	`cladhaire`	`is what he's referring to`
`00:31.45`	`Tekkub`	`yarr! what clatter said`
`00:33.33`	`Kaelten`	`mikma you just type the close braket and it'll try to guess`
`00:33.38`	`cladhaire`	`So, I'm doing my first scroll-frame.. what does the function that gets called need to do?`
`00:34.00`	`Kaelten`	`in aceGUI?`
`00:34.11`	`Kaelten`	`or regular scrollf rames?`
`00:34.14`	`cladhaire`	`regular`
`00:34.49`	`Kaelten`	`err those are ugly`
`00:34.57`	`Kaelten`	`its spost to refill the frame`
`00:35.12`	`cladhaire`	`i can handler ugly`
`00:36.45`	`Kaelten`	`Tekkub, try now`
`00:37.14`	`Tekkub`	`kewl thanks tests`
`00:38.23`	`Kaelten`	`afk for a few`
`00:47.32`	`Cairenn`	`hey clad? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=362869&p=1&tmp=1#post362869`
`00:51.14`	`cladhaire`	`Thanks Cair, I'll take a look at it.`
`00:52.07`	`Mikma`	`for what is UpLink for?`
`00:52.39`	`Mikma`	`"Notes: Handles all your mount & travel-form needs!" ? :P`
`00:56.53`	`cladhaire`	`Cairenn: All done =)`
`00:57.16`	`Cairenn`	`heh, me no care, just figured you'd want to know about it :p`
`00:59.47`	`Tekkub`	`Milk, update it I fixed that last night`
`01:00.20`	`ckknight`	`alright, now if you can scroll a tooltip, it'll show "scroll up" and/or "scroll down" lines`
`01:01.19`	`Mikma`	`Tekkub: what's it for exatcly? can't find any good descriptions for it`
`01:01.44`	`Tekkub`	`it just sends ZG/AQ token info to the raid`
`01:03.06`	`Mikma`	`uh oh, i just whined about AdSpace and it's bugged feature to show that info like 20mins ago :P i'll give it a go then`
`01:03.42`	`Tekkub`	`I need to add the catch new ones option, but it's got easy menus :)`
`01:04.08`	`Tekkub`	`AdSpace is quickly become a conglomeration of mods from what I've seen`
`01:05.05`	`Mikma`	`the latest version has a feature to show classes of AQ and ZG items. yippee, double tooltips with mendy. but /adspace and you can toggle them off`
`01:05.31`	`Mikma`	`but by that way you'll also lose the ability to paste the items class-stats to raidchat by /ads [item]`
`01:05.41`	`Tekkub`	`yea but his loads up a big ol table structure on load`
`01:05.53`	`Tekkub`	`big table on load == longer load time`
`01:05.59`	`Mikma`	`eww :P`
`01:06.12`	`Mikma`	`quickly, implement the vendor data to PT/Mend`
`01:06.34`	`*** join/#wowace Parak (n=profi@user-0cev737.cable.mindspring.com)`
`01:06.36`	`Tem\|Ony`	`good lord I registered a buttload of nicks`
`01:06.38`	`Tekkub`	`I don't wanna downplay him, I love his mods, but AdSpace's table structure is nasty inefficient when it comes to login times`
`01:07.20`	`Mikma`	`well a normal user doesn't even know there's a toggle-feature in mend, so put it to off by default ;)`
`01:07.38`	`Tem\|Ony`	`Tekkub: is there an Ony module?`
`01:07.49`	`Tekkub`	`I need to get vendor infos in Engravings... hrm....`
`01:07.59`	`Tekkub`	`don't think so, I dunno`
`01:08.13`	`Tekkub`	`oh look there is`
`01:09.04`	`Mikma`	`yeah it appeared there some days ago`
`01:09.45`	`Mikma`	`too bad i didn't see it in work today`
`01:10.31`	`Tem\|Ony`	`damn`
`01:10.35`	`Tem\|Ony`	`I wish I had known that...`
`01:10.40`	`Tekkub`	`ponder I think I might add a filter variable to the BW messages so if you turn on filters only notes relavant to your class will show`
`01:10.48`	`Mikma`	`Ony didn't deepbreath and when she landed she wtfpwned me and i was ghost for the rest of the time`
`01:15.32`	`Elviso`	`ugh, wowwiki is lagging`
`01:16.29`	`Mikma`	`awww BOOO! EU servers in maintenance :(`
`01:23.41`	`pagefault`	`EU servers almost never seem to get messed up though`
`01:23.58`	`pagefault`	`when the US servers get maintenence you have to wonder when they are really going to be back up`
`01:24.10`	`Mikma`	`well same goes with EU`
`01:24.27`	`Mikma`	`sometimes blizz surprises us all and the servers are up 12:00`
`01:24.38`	`pagefault`	`ahh`
`01:24.48`	`Mikma`	`but some time ago they were down for 2 days when a patch landed`
`01:24.57`	`pagefault`	`yeah I find that funny`
`01:25.10`	`pagefault`	`it's like they don't test anything before they finally release it`
`01:25.30`	`Mikma`	`i mean really, 3:00am to 12:00am and still they can't get it done`
`01:25.44`	`pagefault`	`they probably have clueless IT people like most companies`
`01:26.04`	`Mikma`	`yeah, "it's not legal, it has a word hack in it"`
`01:26.46`	`pagefault`	`people who get their MSCE and know nothing else`
`01:26.53`	`pagefault`	`"wow I know computers now, time to get a job"`
`01:27.12`	`Mikma`	`just do a: grep Hack * in Blizzards FrameXML and you do know what aren't allowed to be used ;)`
`01:27.46`	`Mikma`	`MultiActionBars.lua: -- Hack to get around load order dependencies`
`01:27.50`	`pagefault`	`haha`
`01:27.58`	`Mikma`	`UIParent.lua: -- Hack to fix a symptom not the real issue`
`01:27.58`	`pagefault`	`oh well`
`01:28.10`	`Mikma`	`and these two are fun:`
`01:28.11`	`Mikma`	`UnitFrame.lua: --Hack for pets`
`01:28.11`	`Mikma`	`WorldMapFrame.lua: -- Temporary Hack`
`01:28.18`	`pagefault`	`"temporary hack"`
`01:28.20`	`pagefault`	`that is a good one`
`01:28.22`	`ckknight`	`committed FuBar`
`01:28.26`	`pagefault`	`I bet it will be there in 1.20`
`01:28.54`	`Mikma`	`UIParent.lua has "hack" in it, so therefore it's illegal`
`01:29.30`	`pagefault`	`I hope bliz isn't grepping lua files for "hack"`
`01:29.35`	`pagefault`	`and banning accounts based on that`
`01:29.42`	`Tain`	`Yes I'm sure that's exactly what they're doing.`
`01:29.55`	`cladhaire`	`Thanks for lettuce gnomes blizz!`
`01:30.02`	`pagefault`	`so just use "h4x"`
`01:30.05`	`pagefault`	`then you can defeat their system`
`01:30.40`	`Mikma`	`hmm nice`
`01:31.45`	`pagefault`	`oh well`
`01:31.57`	`pagefault`	`I don't think I would be using the word hack in my files if I was trying to do that`
`01:44.24`	`*** join/#wowace FryGuy- (i=fryguy@c-24-23-19-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`01:49.30`	`*** part/#wowace Warol (n=Warol@adsl-75-5-43-183.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net)`
`01:50.22`	`Tem\|MC`	`Tekkub: what does BW do on Luci?`
`01:50.33`	`Tem\|MC`	`anything cool?`
`01:51.05`	`Tekkub`	`Tem: None of the actual Boss modules are my code, only core is`
`01:51.14`	`Tem\|MC`	`lol`
`01:51.28`	`Tem\|MC`	`I've had it installed for ages`
`01:51.35`	`Tem\|MC`	`and I'm yet to see one of the bars`
`01:52.05`	`Tekkub`	`I need to get the anchors in core all worked out, but meh, distracted by InvSort`
`01:52.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ckknight: your weekend dates are wrong again =\`
`01:52.30`	`ckknight`	`I didn't update to GloryLib`
`01:52.33`	`ckknight`	`you do know that`
`01:52.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ah`
`01:52.39`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I thought the svn ones were`
`01:52.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`okay =)`
`01:53.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I've got my raid using it`
`01:53.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`one guy who never used an AddOn before`
`01:53.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`fubar, that is`
`01:53.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`they are all loving it up`
`01:53.50`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`01:53.50`	`ckknight`	`sweet`
`01:53.59`	`ckknight`	`I'll put out HonorFu w/ GloryLib in a little bit`
`01:54.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`except for one dwarf, who's preoccupied with grumbling because his rocket boots blew up, and he had mithril spurs on them`
`01:55.43`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`02:00.31`	`Mikma`	`this wallwalking movie is cool :)`
`02:18.55`	`Tekkub`	`setmetatable(t, nil) would reset a table back to normal behavior... right?`
`02:23.13`	`Tain`	`I hate when I see people pop up on my AIM buddy list and I recognize the name as familiar but have no idea who it really is.`
`02:23.36`	`Tekkub`	`yarr, that's why I rename the moment I add someone`
`02:23.44`	`Tekkub`	`and/or delete people I never talk to`
`02:24.47`	`Tain`	`I know it's someone I know, at least somewhat, because I don't just add people all willy nilly to my list.`
`02:24.51`	`Tain`	`But I'm afraid to say hi.`
`02:27.14`	`*** join/#wowace CIA-13 (i=cia@cia.navi.cx)`
`02:27.34`	`Tekkub`	`wewt!`
`02:30.31`	`Mikma`	`blah`
`02:33.44`	`Tem\|MC`	`I suddenly got the urge to make frivolous commits to all my addons just to see CIA do stuff`
`02:34.25`	`CIA-13`	`cladhaire Cladhaire * r389 WatchDog/WatchDog/ (WatchDog.lua WatchDog.toc):`
`02:34.25`	`CIA-13`	`WatchDog:`
`02:34.25`	`CIA-13`	`- Took WatchDogClicks out and moved it to a seperate AddOn as a SavedVariable.`
`02:34.25`	`CIA-13`	`- Changed the slash command handler to properly load WatchDogOptions`
`02:34.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`>8O`
`02:34.48`	`Tem\|MC`	`otravi: oRA needs Target Management`
`02:36.08`	`cladhaire`	`CIA should capture the branch or tag that you make. That's where the second Cladhaire came from on that last commit.`
`02:36.19`	`cladhaire`	`If someone tags, it SHOULD grab the last directory name (i.e. version)`
`02:36.23`	`cladhaire`	`but I dont have anything to tag`
`02:36.44`	`cladhaire`	`~botsnack CIA-13`
`02:36.44`	`purl`	`aw, gee, cladhaire`
`02:36.45`	`Tain`	`I tagged something the other night.`
`02:37.52`	`Mikma`	`oh that's a nice feature from bot :)`
`02:41.07`	`Mikma`	`is this an "annoyancebot" ? ;)`
`02:41.26`	`ckknight`	`~whaleslap Mikma`
`02:41.27`	`purl`	`ACTION beats Mikma upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
`02:41.45`	`ckknight`	`gah, I want to get luaDoc to work`
`02:41.58`	`ckknight`	`why can't there be a package for it, where I untar it and it just _works_`
`02:42.30`	`ckknight`	`btw, hyperChipmunk, changing some of the GloryLib API slightly`
`02:43.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`O_o`
`02:43.36`	`ckknight`	`GetMatchBonusHonor -> GetBonusHonor`
`02:43.41`	`ckknight`	`and GetBonusHonor -> GetTodayBonusHonor`
`02:46.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`heh`
`02:47.02`	`ckknight`	`can I change GetNodeTimeAttacked to GetTimeAttacked?`
`02:47.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, that bit me once`
`02:47.22`	`ckknight`	`actually, nah`
`02:47.23`	`ckknight`	`nvm`
`02:47.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you can, but that will make it different than all the other GetNodes`
`02:50.49`	`ckknight`	`yea, that's why I said nvm`
`02:54.12`	`Tem\|MC`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:54.18`	`Tem\|MC`	`first Ring of Spell Power`
`02:54.22`	`Tem\|MC`	`and I'm out of dkp`
`02:55.42`	`Mikma`	`ok g'night, it's almost 6am so i'm off to bed :)`
`02:58.34`	`ckknight`	`changing GetNumTeamPlayers to GetNumPlayers`
`02:58.43`	`kergoth`	`yay home`
`03:01.18`	`ckknight`	`we have 83 methods in GloryLib, hyperChipmunk`
`03:02.18`	`ckknight`	`hey kergoth`
`03:03.12`	`Mikma`	`oh just one thing, too bad here ain't any admins for curse... http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3532`
`03:03.36`	`Mikma`	`that's pretty low, ban ban baaaan! ok gone`
`03:04.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`is this going to break BattlegroundFu?`
`03:05.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`or will it be a different version`
`03:05.12`	`ckknight`	`I gave you all the API changes, hyperChipmunk`
`03:05.18`	`ckknight`	`yes, it will break BatFu`
`03:05.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`=\`
`03:05.32`	`hyperChipmunk`	`wish you'd done that before I released`
`03:05.57`	`ckknight`	`wish you hadn't released until I wrote the API`
`03:06.19`	`ckknight`	`I wanted you to commit GloryLib, then I'd write the API and double check everything`
`03:06.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I committed it last night; I thought you released everything`
`03:06.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`didn't knwo you held HonorFu back`
`03:07.35`	`ckknight`	`yep`
`03:09.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Cairenn: is there a way you can pull batfu now? I don't want to trap any more people than already are with an addon that's going to break for them`
`03:10.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`or roll it back or soemthing`
`03:10.41`	`Tain`	`The joys of arbitrary API changes.`
`03:10.48`	`Tekkub`	`chip, you should be able to delete your own mods`
`03:11.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and is there a way to know how many people already got it?`
`03:11.06`	`ckknight`	`Tain, they're not arbitrary`
`03:11.11`	`Cairenn`	`hyperChipmunk: download count`
`03:11.26`	`Cairenn`	`and you want it pulled completely? it'll wipe out your count ...`
`03:11.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the count is total`
`03:11.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`or is there one for individual files`
`03:12.03`	`Cairenn`	`no, it's total`
`03:12.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`well I don't have much a choice`
`03:12.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I can't stick people with broken addon`
`03:12.37`	`Cairenn`	`gimme a sec here`
`03:12.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`thanks`
`03:13.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Tekkub: I can only delete previous versinos`
`03:13.25`	`Tekkub`	`really? I can delete mine...`
`03:13.46`	`Tekkub`	`first option in edit in fact`
`03:13.52`	`Tekkub`	`"Delete this file"`
`03:14.00`	`Tekkub`	`"Delete File (and all archives)"`
`03:14.28`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, what are the arguments of OBJECTIVE_CLAIMED?`
`03:14.33`	`ckknight`	`I don't know what alpha and bravo mean`
`03:14.41`	`Cairenn`	`Tekkub: that's because you are FA`
`03:14.48`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh, they're all faction and node`
`03:14.51`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`03:14.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but some patterns have them in different order`
`03:14.58`	`Tekkub`	`oh... icee...`
`03:15.00`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Tekkub: none of that`
`03:15.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so I can't call them faction and nodename`
`03:15.21`	`Tekkub`	`Why don't normal authors have that for their own works?`
`03:15.32`	`hyperChipmunk`	`because sometimes the first one is faction, and sometimes it's nodename`
`03:15.32`	`Cairenn`	`because they don't :p`
`03:15.54`	`Tekkub`	`they suck`
`03:16.18`	`ckknight`	`yes you can, hyperChipmunk, I updated your code earlier so you could`
`03:16.27`	`Cairenn`	`hyperChipmunk: okay, what I've done is move it to a hidden spot ... when you are ready to upload a fixed version, you will have to let me know so I can move it back out again, as you can't currently get at it`
`03:16.36`	`hyperChipmunk`	`thanks =)`
`03:16.48`	`hyperChipmunk`	`thank you so much`
`03:16.55`	`Cairenn`	`no problem`
`03:17.07`	`Cairenn`	`just, don't freak out when you can't edit it`
`03:17.25`	`Cairenn`	`since for all intents and purposes it doesn't "exist" right now`
`03:17.37`	`Cairenn`	`let me know, I move it back out, then you can update`
`03:17.37`	`Tain`	`Like the A-Team.`
`03:17.39`	`ckknight`	`it'll only be an hour or so`
`03:17.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I just freaked out cuz I didn't have a local copy of the description; i had it in the browser cache, luckily`
`03:17.47`	`ckknight`	`hoping`
`03:18.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and I'm through freaking out about it now`
`03:18.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`whatever happens, happens`
`03:18.34`	`Tain`	`damnit I almost hurt myself from refraining from comment in wowi.`
`03:19.20`	`Cairenn`	`please don't Tain`
`03:19.24`	`Cairenn`	`thank you`
`03:19.31`	`Cairenn`	`I know it's hard, trust me`
`03:19.39`	`Tain`	`Don't hurt myself? I'm trying.`
`03:21.25`	`Tekkub`	`more jackasses not worthy of Catalyst bitching?`
`03:21.42`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, and we have 38 events`
`03:21.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`is that bad?`
`03:22.05`	`Tain`	`No, just zeeg.`
`03:23.59`	`Tekkub`	`oh, fuck him`
`03:24.21`	`Tain`	`~emulate zeeg`
`03:24.24`	`purl`	`anyone recommend some newer black people music... most people simply call it ni.. music`
`03:24.34`	`Cairenn`	`Tain: ><`
`03:24.47`	`Tain`	`You're right Cairenn, he shouldnt' have said that.`
`03:24.56`	`Cairenn`	`I can't believe you (whoever) actually programmed that in`
`03:25.12`	`Cairenn`	`that is SO offensive, why would you want it repeated. ever`
`03:25.36`	`ckknight`	`meh`
`03:25.40`	`ckknight`	`R&B isn't so bad at times`
`03:25.43`	`Tain`	`Because some people need a reminder that he's a piece of shit.`
`03:25.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`rofl`
`03:26.00`	`Cairenn`	`Tain: who? I don't think anyone will ever forget it`
`03:26.17`	`ckknight`	`people who don't know him to start off`
`03:26.17`	`Cairenn`	`ckknight: not a thing wrong with R&B, that isn't the offensive part`
`03:26.27`	`Tain`	`He should be banned from any channel he's in.`
`03:27.04`	`*** join/#wowace Slayman (i=Slayman@c207118.adsl.hansenet.de)`
`03:27.43`	`Tem\|MC`	`so... I just checked out the entire trunk`
`03:28.29`	`Tem\|MC`	`and it's raping my fps`
`03:29.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`lol`
`03:29.28`	`Tem\|MC`	`mental note: don't do that again`
`03:30.29`	`Tem\|MC`	`and if anyone cares, the whole trunk comes out to 11.1 MB`
`03:32.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`fascinating`
`03:39.49`	`pagefault`	`what is good dps for a warlock`
`03:42.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I get about 1000 on a warlock`
`03:42.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`>8D`
`03:46.01`	`ckknight`	`Cairenn, I know, that's why it's funny`
`03:49.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that zeeg guy talks a lot doesn't he`
`03:49.25`	`Cairenn`	`yes, yes he does`
`03:49.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like`
`03:49.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I've been rightly accused of talking to hear the sound of my voice many times`
`03:49.52`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but man`
`03:50.24`	`Cairenn`	`hyperChipmunk: I'd like to introduce you to the head guy of WoWGuru - zeeg`
`03:51.32`	`hyperChipmunk`	`>8P`
`03:53.57`	`Tekkub`	`oreo?`
`03:54.01`	`FryGuy`	`think there'll be a twin emps for bigwigs soon? :p`
`03:54.10`	`Tekkub`	`ask Ammo`
`03:54.13`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, there's still more functions I'm gonna want in GloryLib`
`03:54.21`	`Lucen`	`i actually have one FryGuy`
`03:54.26`	`Lucen`	`although it's untested`
`03:54.30`	`FryGuy`	`I'll test it :)`
`03:54.31`	`Lucen`	`should be at emps thursday`
`03:54.45`	`Lucen`	`cool..one sec`
`03:55.01`	`FryGuy`	`can anyone commit to svn with an account?`
`03:55.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`for most of the repos, yes`
`03:56.21`	`FryGuy`	`er wait we're pulling :(`
`03:56.29`	`kergoth`	`?`
`03:56.33`	`FryGuy`	`emps :p`
`03:56.34`	`Lucen`	`ohhh..you're there now >.<`
`03:56.35`	`FryGuy`	`can't restart`
`04:02.19`	`Tem\|MC`	`oh damnit`
`04:02.28`	`FryGuy`	`were you going to send that to me lucen? :p`
`04:02.30`	`Tem\|MC`	`why did otravi move the RS frame?`
`04:02.34`	`Lucen`	`yup`
`04:03.29`	`ckknight`	`hey, hyperChipmunk`
`04:03.47`	`ckknight`	`for IsBattlefieldObjective("node"), what can I put that will be true?`
`04:03.50`	`ckknight`	`for the example`
`04:05.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`well, it looks to see if the second value of the GetMapLandmarkInfo is one of the status messages`
`04:05.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`or you just want an example ?`
`04:06.01`	`ckknight`	`example`
`04:06.05`	`ckknight`	`just a string`
`04:06.11`	`FryGuy`	`can't reply lucen :(`
`04:06.13`	`ckknight`	`or whatever`
`04:06.15`	`FryGuy`	`and no it failed..`
`04:06.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like, if you send it poi #3 in alterac valley, it will return true, because poi #3 is the Dun Baldur North Bunker, which is an objective`
`04:06.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh, ok`
`04:06.19`	`Lucen`	`:(`
`04:06.35`	`Lucen`	`ok..1 more thing i can do`
`04:06.48`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Dun Baldur North Bunker would be a valid one`
`04:06.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`or Lumber Mill`
`04:06.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Gold Mine`
`04:07.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Iceblood Tower`
`04:07.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Frostwolf Graveyard`
`04:07.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`of course, they're all situationally true`
`04:08.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i.e. Iceblood Tower will only return true if you're in AV`
`04:08.24`	`Lucen`	`FryGuy: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze74c6r/AQ40_Defenders_Twins.zip`
`04:08.43`	`Lucen`	`I put the Defender's in there too :D`
`04:08.51`	`Lucen`	`just have to include them in the toc`
`04:09.29`	`CIA-13`	`ramble * r390 InvSort/ (ChatCmds.lua InvSort.toc Module.lua locals.lua):`
`04:09.29`	`CIA-13`	`InvSort:`
`04:09.29`	`CIA-13`	`Added /is category reset to remove all categories.`
`04:09.29`	`CIA-13`	`Slight changes to module enable/disable functions.`
`04:09.29`	`CIA-13`	`Fixed TOC version number.`
`04:11.01`	`kergoth`	`err, is the cia notification lacking color for everyone or is it just me?`
`04:11.44`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, what's the difference between GetDefender and GetNodeDefender?`
`04:14.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hum`
`04:15.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I think node defender originally pulled from the table; it might not anymore`
`04:15.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`since if the table's there, it's just as easy to pull it from the POI`
`04:15.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ah no`
`04:15.49`	`ckknight`	`also, what does GetNodeTimeAttacked() return?`
`04:15.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it's still like that`
`04:15.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`NodeDefender is a table lookup`
`04:16.04`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`04:16.14`	`ckknight`	`but what's in the table?`
`04:16.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`all the GetNode stuff is from the table`
`04:16.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the status of all the nodes`
`04:16.26`	`ckknight`	`you're not helping`
`04:16.27`	`ckknight`	`what is it?`
`04:16.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`who's attacking, when they attacked`
`04:16.30`	`ckknight`	`a string?`
`04:16.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh`
`04:16.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`string for attacker, defender, name`
`04:16.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`bool for isDestroyed isInConflict`
`04:17.10`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and number for ypos and timeAttacked`
`04:17.22`	`ckknight`	`timeAttacked, is that a cooldown or a point in time?`
`04:17.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`point in time`
`04:17.29`	`ckknight`	`via GetTime?`
`04:17.41`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I calculate the cooldown with um...`
`04:18.08`	`hyperChipmunk`	`another function somewhere =)`
`04:18.11`	`ckknight`	`from GetTime()?`
`04:18.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, right under GetNodeTimeAttacked`
`04:18.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`there's a GetTimeToCapture`
`04:18.44`	`ckknight`	`is it from GetTime()?`
`04:18.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yes`
`04:18.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`eventually`
`04:18.50`	`ckknight`	`alright`
`04:19.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the TimeToCapture depends on the zone though`
`04:19.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`in AV, nodes take 5 mins`
`04:19.08`	`hyperChipmunk`	`in AB, it's one`
`04:19.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`local t = BattlefieldZoneObjectiveTimes[self:GetActiveBattlefieldZone()] or 0`
`04:19.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`return t - GetTime() + self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[node].timeAttacked`
`04:19.35`	`ckknight`	`why do you have GetNodeTimeAttacked and GetTimeToCapture?`
`04:19.40`	`ckknight`	`those are inconsistent names`
`04:19.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the timeAttacked is set in OnAttack or OnClaimed`
`04:20.23`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, I just was thinking about that; presumably because I did all the GetNodes as a simple table lookup`
`04:20.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but it's a simple calculation based on two table lookups`
`04:20.40`	`ckknight`	`okay, I'm changing this whole API`
`04:20.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I guess you can call it a GetNode`
`04:21.16`	`ckknight`	`I'm getting rid of the Node`
`04:21.31`	`ckknight`	`GetDefender -> GetHolder`
`04:21.44`	`ckknight`	`all the other GetNodes become Gets`
`04:21.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`k`
`04:22.26`	`ckknight`	`that makes sense to you, right?`
`04:23.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`04:23.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I'll look at it after you're done`
`04:23.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`make sure everything makes sense`
`04:28.10`	`Cairenn`	`clad\|sleep: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=362916&p=1&tmp=1#post362916`
`04:39.10`	`Tekkub`	`MAKE IT STOP!!!!!`
`04:39.53`	`Tekkub`	`Now Playing: The Star Onions - Blessed in Her Glorious Light - The Grand Duchy of Jeuno`
`04:39.57`	`Tekkub`	`whimper`
`04:40.14`	`Tekkub`	`why oh why Dog did they do that to that song???`
`04:44.37`	`Tekkub`	`begins?`
`04:46.58`	`CIA-13`	`tekkub * r391 PeriodicTable/ (Core.lua ElementsFood.lua FeedomaticPlugin.lua): PeriodicTable - Added waterall and foodalledible for easy access to all player-usable food/water`
`04:46.58`	`Tekkub`	`RAWR`
`04:47.25`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:00.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`=\ someone else is having their nodes not show up on zone-in, too; i don't think telling people to /rl should be a solution`
`05:00.21`	`pagefault`	`I just got 1000 dps I guess he was right`
`05:00.23`	`pagefault`	`that was a crazy AoE though`
`05:00.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like it doesn't happen until you've played for awhile`
`05:00.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and then it starts doing it`
`05:03.30`	`Tem\|MC`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:03.33`	`Tem`	`I hate MC`
`05:05.53`	`Codayus`	`Ah?`
`05:08.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`seriously`
`05:08.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`where were all these weird errors before?`
`05:08.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`anything that relies on tables is suddenly all jacked up randomly`
`05:10.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`shoulda just stuck with normal tables`
`05:11.24`	`*** join/#wowace banditron_ (n=bandito@cpe-67-9-143-58.austin.res.rr.com)`
`05:23.18`	`Cairenn`	`hyperChipmunk: are you going to need that moved back any time soon?`
`05:25.17`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`hyperChipmunk: I'm sorry, but I really need to crash. Hope it can wait until tomorrow =/`
`05:26.01`	`*** part/#wowace Cairenn\|sleep (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`05:26.23`	`ckknight`	`woot`
`05:26.26`	`ckknight`	`finished the API`
`05:28.16`	`CIA-13`	`ckknight * r392 GloryLib/ (API.html GloryLib.toc README.txt):`
`05:28.16`	`CIA-13`	`GloryLib - Added API.html`
`05:28.16`	`CIA-13`	`changed a few method names.`
`05:28.23`	`ckknight`	`hehe, cool`
`05:31.07`	`*** join/#wowace Wobin_ (n=Wobin@221.221.17.149)`
`05:38.10`	`CIA-13`	`ckknight * r393 GloryLib/GloryLib.lua: FuBar_GloryLib - made method naming more consistent.`
`05:38.31`	`Tem`	`rofl`
`05:38.47`	`Tem`	`Well, I'm now glad Catalyst exists`
`05:39.12`	`Tem`	`I was browsing some compilations' addon lists for shits`
`05:39.30`	`ckknight`	`alright`
`05:39.50`	`Tem`	`and I just saw a few that in the same "patch" that they added Catalyst to it, they also added 3+ of my other addons`
`05:40.08`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`05:40.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`lol nice`
`05:40.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`compilations are hilarious`
`05:40.29`	`Tem`	`indeed`
`05:42.00`	`hyperChipmunk`	`rofl`
`05:42.02`	`ckknight`	`yes, but do they have FuBar?`
`05:42.05`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`05:42.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`zeeg`
`05:42.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`omg`
`05:42.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it's GGSSCC, not coppers`
`05:43.41`	`ckknight`	`wait`
`05:43.45`	`ckknight`	`how is that not copper?`
`05:43.51`	`hyperChipmunk`	`exactly`
`05:44.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's the most hilarious thing i"ve seen all week`
`05:44.41`	`ckknight`	`better than -- Temporary Hack?`
`05:44.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh man`
`05:44.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Tem did you see that?`
`05:44.49`	`*** join/#wowace banditron (n=bandito@cpe-67-9-143-58.austin.res.rr.com)`
`05:45.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`[staharaj@hyperion]$ grep -i hack FrameXML.old/*\|wc -l`
`05:45.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`14`
`05:46.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`FrameXML.old/DressUpFrame.lua:18:-- HACK!!!`
`05:46.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`FrameXML.old/DressUpFrame.lua:28:-- END HACK`
`05:46.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`FrameXML.old/WorldMapFrame.lua:43:-- Temporary Hack`
`05:47.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`rofl....`
`05:47.23`	`hyperChipmunk`	`FrameXML.old/QuestLogFrame.lua:150:--Set Dummy text to get text width SUPER HACK`
`05:48.03`	`hyperChipmunk`	`FrameXML.old/UIPanelTemplates.xml:188:<!-- The code to disable the ScrollDownButton is pretty hacked, but it works --`
`05:49.22`	`Tem`	`hyperChipmunk: most of that is not there anymore`
`05:49.29`	`Tem`	`extract the 1.10 interface files`
`05:50.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`those are`
`05:50.41`	`Tem`	`rofl`
`05:50.59`	`Tem`	`FrameXML/DressUpFrame.lua: -- HACK!!!`
`05:50.59`	`Tem`	`FrameXML/DressUpFrame.lua: -- END HACK`
`05:51.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`## Interface: 11000`
`05:51.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`SUPER HACK is my favorite`
`05:51.35`	`Tem`	`yeah I'm retarded, I forgot to make my grep case-insensitive`
`05:56.48`	`Tem`	`http://ace.pastebin.com/668699`
`05:57.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hehe`
`05:57.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I put it up in that silly thread`
`05:58.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=363088`
`05:58.39`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I gotta see what that one in the dressup frame is`
`05:59.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hahaha`
`05:59.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`http://ace.pastebin.com/668705`
`06:00.09`	`Tem`	`lol indeed!`
`06:01.07`	`Tem`	`did you have to edit the output at all to get it on one line?`
`06:01.14`	`Tem`	`or is there a trick to do that I don't know about`
`06:01.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`what do you mean`
`06:01.38`	`Tem`	`when you copy past`
`06:01.39`	`Tem`	`e`
`06:01.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I didn't touch up anything`
`06:02.05`	`Tem`	`figures`
`06:02.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`make your console wider? =x`
`06:02.13`	`Tem`	`windows command line sucks`
`06:02.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ah`
`06:02.17`	`Tem`	`I can't`
`06:02.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`lol`
`06:02.22`	`Tem`	`it's locked at 80`
`06:02.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`~comfort Tem`
`06:02.28`	`purl`	`There, there, Tem. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`06:02.35`	`Tem`	`cygwin makes it mostly bearable though`
`06:03.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`windows-free for more than two years now`
`06:03.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`even my parents =D`
`06:04.04`	`Tem`	`wow`
`06:04.10`	`Tem`	`that's quite an accomplishement`
`06:04.21`	`Tem`	`(the parents part)`
`06:05.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`my mom never even used the computer at all when it was running windows; she hated it`
`06:05.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I got her up and going nicely with Linux, now you can't pry her away`
`06:05.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so proud of her >8D`
`06:06.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and sooooooooooooooooooo much better to tech-support`
`06:06.32`	`otravi`	`Tem: The RS frame was moved to the same position as it is on CTRA. gasps`
`06:06.44`	`Tem`	`I liked the other place`
`06:06.53`	`Tem`	`people in my guild spam too much`
`06:07.08`	`Tem`	`and it's annoying to try to look through it`
`06:07.54`	`otravi`	`I'll see if I can include an option to move it`
`06:08.00`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that is so awesome`
`06:08.48`	`Tem`	`otravi: it's not that big of a deal. I can just move it myself`
`06:09.48`	`Tem`	`otravi: Are there graphical displays for /radur , ect yet?`
`06:09.57`	`otravi`	`nope :<`
`06:10.03`	`Tem`	`I updated from the svn today but I haven't had a chance to play with it`
`06:10.46`	`Tem`	`bah`
`06:10.59`	`Tem`	`get working!`
`06:11.01`	`Tem`	`=P`
`06:11.05`	`Codayus`	`Can you set MTs yet?`
`06:11.26`	`otravi`	`Codayus: Didn't get time to do anything yesterday`
`06:11.36`	`Codayus`	`Heh`
`06:11.40`	`Codayus`	`Just wondering. ;-)`
`06:11.43`	`otravi`	`Had to fix three damn webservers`
`06:12.06`	`otravi`	`and one of them was windows 2k3`
`06:12.10`	`otravi`	`:--(`
`06:12.13`	`Codayus`	`I'm sorry.`
`06:12.37`	`otravi`	`:-P`
`06:13.05`	`otravi`	`but I'll see if I can get the two things done today`
`06:13.39`	`otravi`	`but now I have to leave for some more work and my exams later :p`
`06:14.34`	`Codayus`	`Fun.`
`06:15.14`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`g'night froods`
`06:17.27`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`omg`
`06:17.29`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`dude wow`
`06:17.31`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=363066&p=1&tmp=1#post363066`
`06:18.21`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`if you are pregnant or are at-risk for heart problems, do not read the above-linked post`
`06:19.41`	`Tem`	`oh`
`06:19.44`	`Tem`	`em`
`06:19.46`	`Tem`	`gee`
`06:20.04`	`Tem`	`should I respond to that?`
`06:20.05`	`*** join/#wowace [MoonWolf] (n=MoonWolf@a80-127-128-193.adsl.xs4all.nl)`
`06:20.05`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o [MoonWolf]] by ChanServ`
`06:20.10`	`Tem`	`should I even bother?`
`06:20.27`	`Tem`	`I get the feeling my response would be something like "you fail at life"`
`06:20.53`	`Tem`	`interestingly enough, that's also and old version`
`06:21.06`	`Tem`	`[MoonWolf]: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=363066&p=1&tmp=1#post363066`
`06:21.14`	`Tem`	`(that's what I'm talking about)`
`06:21.27`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`hehehe`
`06:21.47`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`i was a bit wary of even pasting that in here`
`06:21.55`	`[MoonWolf]`	`eeeuh`
`06:22.01`	`[MoonWolf]`	`why doesnt his post make any sense to me.`
`06:22.07`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`out of concern for your health, Tem`
`06:22.20`	`Tem`	`[MoonWolf]: because it doesn't make sense at all`
`06:22.26`	`Tem`	`lol, thanks sedatedChipmunk`
`06:22.32`	`[MoonWolf]`	`ignore him`
`06:22.36`	`[MoonWolf]`	`he isnt worth the effort.`
`06:22.45`	`Codayus`	`Hmmm`
`06:22.47`	`Codayus`	`I....`
`06:22.49`	`Codayus`	`....`
`06:22.51`	`Codayus`	`That's special.`
`06:23.11`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`it's just messed up on so many levels?`
`06:23.26`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`s/s?/s/`
`06:24.38`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`man, all the entertainment I've been missing out on`
`06:24.43`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`not reading these forums`
`06:24.44`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Tekkub, when did you get exicted about the new sorted bag ?`
`06:25.29`	`Tem`	`[MoonWolf]: ?`
`06:25.56`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Tekkub was pretty disapointed in rables new sorting bag last time, and now he is writing filters for it,`
`06:27.18`	`Tem`	`oh`
`06:27.24`	`Tem`	`oh kewl`
`06:27.34`	`Tem`	`I just added a little counter to Catalyst just for shits`
`06:28.09`	`Tem`	`turns out that on my machine I blocked 57,596 events`
`06:28.19`	`[MoonWolf]`	`omgwtfbbq`
`06:28.23`	`[MoonWolf]`	`thats a lot`
`06:29.07`	`Tem`	`(where 'event' is a call to an hooked OnEvent that Catalyst blocked not a game event)`
`06:30.35`	`[MoonWolf]`	`why must so much happen on a zone....`
`06:31.00`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`yea, I did that to my version to, just to see`
`06:31.00`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`85k`
`06:31.19`	`Tem`	`creepy`
`06:31.22`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`ya`
`06:31.37`	`*** mode/#wowace [+r] by Tem`
`06:31.45`	`*** mode/#wowace [-r] by Tem`
`06:31.49`	`*** mode/#wowace [-R] by Tem`
`06:31.52`	`*** mode/#wowace [+R] by Tem`
`06:31.56`	`[MoonWolf]`	`big difference tem`
`06:32.00`	`Tem`	`indeed`
`06:32.25`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`that was when I was fiddling with the double-zoentime thing`
`06:32.28`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`hehe tem`
`06:34.20`	`Tem`	`oooh`
`06:34.25`	`*** mode/#wowace [+s] by Tem`
`06:34.25`	`*** mode/#wowace [-s] by ChanServ`
`06:34.29`	`Tem`	`aww`
`06:34.49`	`Tem`	`stupid chanserv won't let us be secret`
`06:35.08`	`*** mode/#wowace [+s] by [MoonWolf]`
`06:35.08`	`*** mode/#wowace [-s] by ChanServ`
`06:35.13`	`[MoonWolf]`	`stupid`
`06:36.04`	`[MoonWolf]`	`how did you activate wallops again +W ?`
`06:36.21`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`heh heh`
`06:37.10`	`Tem`	`yeah I think so`
`06:37.30`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`dude, everytime I think I'm making a totally over-the-top ridiculous nonsensical request to you guys about adding something to your addons`
`06:37.38`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`as a joke`
`06:37.43`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`I just..`
`06:37.53`	`[MoonWolf]`	`?`
`06:37.59`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`wow...I can't top some of these honest postings`
`06:38.12`	`Tem`	`?`
`06:38.24`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`just browsing the UI & Macro forum`
`06:38.44`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`I've never looked at it before`
`06:39.19`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`i think i've become dumber just by loading the page`
`06:39.24`	`Tem`	`oh lol`
`06:39.59`	`Tem`	`I once made a post saying that 90% of the people on those forums were retards`
`06:40.09`	`Tem`	`like the next day I was using Ace`
`06:40.29`	`[MoonWolf]`	`lol`
`06:40.32`	`Codayus`	`sedatedChipmunk: That place is actually really sane and intelligent...`
`06:40.38`	`Codayus`	`...compared to the general forum...`
`06:40.56`	`Codayus`	`Well, okay, fairly sane and intelligent. It seems to have gone downhill a bit recently. :-/`
`06:41.14`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`dude, how can I make this code from an addon that does the same thing and is written in an entirely different style do the same thing with this other addon that for some reason I must use instead`
`06:41.49`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`i'm pasting and it's not working!`
`06:42.27`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`he probably using it cuz Catalyst is hax`
`06:44.08`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`sedatives kickin' in`
`06:44.12`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`g'night +)`
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`06:44.53`	`[MoonWolf]`	`night`
`06:45.01`	`Tem`	`haha, found Rowne's post about it`
`06:45.04`	`Tem`	`I just noticed Tem complaining about the fact that the Warcraft UI forums are full of retards. This is the exact thing I've been toting about the Ace forums on Curse because golly, that's something we all actually aren't. I have no small amount of pride about everyone we have here at wowace.com, we're possibly the last, best hope for (peace? No) intelligent AddOn discussion.`
`06:45.16`	`Tem`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,109.0.html`
`06:45.55`	`[MoonWolf]`	`rowne, alway's ever so subtle`
`06:46.45`	`Tem`	`yep`
`06:49.25`	`Tem`	`I think my post on the ui boards was something like "WTB An interesting thread"`
`07:00.35`	`Tem`	`Kaelten: you around?`
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`07:10.05`	`Tem`	`[MoonWolf]: you see either of those?`
`07:10.10`	`[MoonWolf]`	`I saw one`
`07:10.14`	`[MoonWolf]`	`-Tem/@#wowace- this is also a test`
`07:10.20`	`Tem`	`k`
`07:14.31`	`pagefault`	`I need to code some reseduce macro`
`07:14.41`	`pagefault`	`when the seduce breaks I need quick way to reseduce again`
`08:18.40`	id`	`poeple are so weird`
`08:18.50`	id`	`why do they expect to use a DATA COLLECTION addon`
`08:19.07`	id`	`and their system would run with very little ram usage`
`08:19.12`	id`	`thats a REDICULOUS idea`
`08:19.20`	id`	`it does data collection. the end.`
`08:19.30`	id`	`more data more RAM`
`08:19.46`	id`	`just make a fricking AH char and use auctioneer only with that char only in front of the AH`
`08:19.51`	id`	`nitwits`
`08:19.52`	id`	`:P`
`08:19.55`	id`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1358.0.html`
`08:22.41`	id`	`why do i always have to be the one that comes with logical solutions`
`08:23.02`	id`	`(and i always seem to do it so that others feel dumb, or that i think they are..)`
`08:23.08`	id`	`(not saying they arent)`
`08:26.42`	`Tekkub`	`Moon: I was unhappy cause xele was being a twat over PT support`
`08:43.59`	`pagefault`	`WoW is beautiful with 6x FSAA`
`08:50.03`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Tekkub, aha`
`08:50.33`	id`	`pagefault: ?`
`08:50.36`	id`	`wha?`
`08:50.36`	id`	`:P`
`08:50.55`	`pagefault`	`night elves never looked so jaggy free`
`08:51.10`	id`	`whats 6x FSAA`
`08:51.16`	`[MoonWolf]`	`like the need more curves`
`08:51.18`	`pagefault`	`multisampling`
`08:51.24`	`pagefault`	`anti-aliasing`
`08:51.50`	id`	`never mind i prolly dont know -_-`
`08:52.06`	`[MoonWolf]`	`graphics settings`
`08:52.21`	`[MoonWolf]`	`it makes curves less jagged etc`
`08:53.26`	id`	`i dont like evergrey :P`
`08:54.16`	`[MoonWolf]`	`why not ?`
`08:54.33`	`pagefault`	`I never even heard of them`
`08:55.06`	id`	`[MoonWolf]: dunno... jsut dont :P`
`08:55.34`	`[MoonWolf]`	`wow`
`08:55.37`	`[MoonWolf]`	`touch luck on that one.`
`08:56.56`	id`	`ther we go`
`08:58.30`	`[MoonWolf]`	`dont have that here`
`08:58.39`	`[MoonWolf]`	`I should copy my whole music collection to my laptop some time.`
`08:58.53`	`[MoonWolf]`	`only have about a 1000 songs here`
`08:59.31`	`[MoonWolf]`	`time for something totally different`
`08:59.39`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Melodic Death Metal`
`09:05.58`	id`	`norther is cool in the same way children of bodom is`
`09:06.00`	id`	`xD`
`09:18.18`	`Tekkub`	`:) I think it's almost time to commit up the basic rulesets I got laid out for InvSort`
`09:19.39`	`[MoonWolf]`	`good`
`09:19.47`	`[MoonWolf]`	`then I can start using it activly`
`09:32.43`	id`	`does the wowace forum have rss?`
`09:32.45`	id`	`:P`
`09:37.16`	`[MoonWolf]`	`not that I know off.`
`09:37.34`	id`	`k`
`09:58.08`	`otravi`	`hello`
`09:58.11`	`otravi`	id`: it does
`09:58.20`	`otravi`	`but it isn't any good :p`
`10:05.59`	`Mikma`	`g'day`
`10:10.32`	id`	`otravi: where?`
`10:15.36`	`otravi`	id`: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml
`10:15.40`	`otravi`	`only one I know of`
`10:38.32`	`Tekkub`	`CIA must be broked already`
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`11:01.46`	`otravi`	`:(`
`11:02.03`	`[MoonWolf]`	`?`
`11:02.37`	`otravi`	`1238.31\| [ Tekkub] CIA must be broked already`
`11:02.56`	`Tekkub`	`oreo?`
`11:18.59`	`Mikma`	`i hate itunes`
`11:20.29`	`clad\|sleep`	`VIA is working fine =)`
`11:20.33`	`clad\|sleep`	`s/VI/CI/`
`11:20.34`	`clad\|sleep`	`http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/Ace`
`11:20.40`	`clad\|sleep`	`just the bot is sleeping or somefin =)`
`11:24.51`	id`	`Mikma: why use itunes`
`11:32.33`	`Mikma`	id`: because there ain't other good players for fagintosh
`11:32.48`	id`	`sure there are`
`11:32.52`	id`	`install xorg`
`11:33.07`	id`	`maybe you wont even need xorg`
`11:33.34`	id`	`for *nix theres musicpd.org`
`11:34.15`	`Mikma`	`well the problem with most of the players is there ain't a good music-library around and they lack the support for AirTunes`
`11:35.41`	id`	`audio/mp3/electonic/power noise/artist/2004/cd/mp3-files`
`11:35.44`	id`	`:P`
`11:36.26`	id`	`http://mpd.darwinports.com/`
`11:36.44`	`Mikma`	`ok let's try that once again. i wan't a player which can sort files by filenames. meaning 01-song 02-song will play in right order`
`11:37.03`	`Mikma`	`itunes can do that if i use another application to add the songnumbers inside ID3 tags`
`11:37.11`	`Mikma`	`and it has airport support meh`
`11:37.21`	id`	`mpd is a music player daemon`
`11:37.27`	id`	`you configure how you want it to play`
`11:37.35`	id`	`theres tons of divfferent front ends for it`
`11:37.38`	id`	`GUI and console`
`11:40.14`	`Mikma`	`don't see a word "airport" around :P`
`11:45.16`	`Codayus`	`mpd is nifty because you can script up cool stuff using grep and other command line tools. Not very user friendly, but the power is unlimited. OTOH...no idea about airport support. Or even what airport support IS.`
`11:45.21`	`Codayus`	`Sounds macish.`
`11:45.22`	`Codayus`	`:-P`
`11:46.06`	id`	`i want a mac`
`11:46.08`	id`	`:<`
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`11:46.52`	`pagefault`	`bah mac`
`11:47.06`	`[MoonWolf]`	`mac's are overrated`
`11:47.13`	`[MoonWolf]`	`the only thing they have better is the os.`
`11:47.15`	`Mikma`	`and overpriced`
`11:47.19`	id`	`i know cause i never worked with one xD`
`11:47.36`	`Codayus`	`I was vaguely considering getting a mac...`
`11:47.39`	`pagefault`	`too proprietary for me`
`11:47.44`	`pagefault`	`same reason I don't buy an HP or a gateway`
`11:47.55`	`[MoonWolf]`	`and untill every game and app I have now works on a mac it gets the same treatment linux get`
`11:48.09`	`Codayus`	`...then I wussed out, spent 2/3 of the cash, and built a PC that was eh...maybe 1/2 again more powerful. :-/`
`11:48.23`	`Codayus`	`Maybe when I have a real job, and I'm not a starving student...`
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`11:49.04`	`[MoonWolf]`	`you should have spent all of the money on a really really good pc.`
`11:49.10`	`Slayman`	`good morning guys, where do i find a readme or somesuch of the PT API?`
`11:49.23`	`Mikma`	`well, my mac is a laptop :P`
`11:49.28`	`[MoonWolf]`	`you dont, you read the api.lua comments.`
`11:49.29`	`Codayus`	`Honestly, when you start to look at the cost of cheap AMD 64-bit dual-core cpus right now...`
`11:49.43`	`Mikma`	`i don't have a pc anymore so i'm stuck with this`
`11:49.56`	`Slayman`	`i feared ans answer like that`
`11:49.58`	`[MoonWolf]`	`laptops are nice, but I prefer desktops for real work.`
`11:50.00`	id`	`Codayus: this weekend is my bday`
`11:50.14`	id`	`Codayus: im getting an upgrade set for a pc thats lying around here`
`11:50.22`	`Codayus`	id`: nifty
`11:50.31`	`Codayus`	`What's your current PC?`
`11:50.39`	id`	`and then one month later ill buy me a 400-500 bucks gfx card`
`11:50.58`	id`	`currently (for 3 years now) i have a DELL INSPIRON 8600 laptop, with a geforce fx5650`
`11:51.22`	id`	`its getting old now tho :(`
`11:51.25`	id`	`20fps in wow`
`11:51.28`	`Codayus`	`Heh`
`11:51.46`	id`	`if it drops a _bit_ the screen stutters :(`
`11:52.13`	id`	`i find it funny that having all the sliders to high doesnt make a difference on my fps`
`11:52.19`	`Mikma`	`Daft_Punk-Musique_Vol_1_1993-2005-2006-RNS :D`
`11:52.25`	`Codayus`	`I just upgraded from a Athlon 2ghz and a radeon 9700 pro...not sure how it compares. I got maybe 6-10 fps in raids. :-(`
`11:52.47`	`pagefault`	`WoW is CPU limited`
`11:52.52`	`pagefault`	`so it works fast on a very fast CPU`
`11:53.05`	`[MoonWolf]`	`wow is ram hungry too`
`11:53.06`	`Codayus`	`Luckily I'm a priest, so I just sit in a corner facing a wall anyhow...watching health bars. :-)`
`11:53.07`	`Slayman`	`[MoonWolf]: do i call those funcs by simply writing PeriodicTable:itemInSet(foo,bar) ?`
`11:53.09`	id`	`1400Mhz cpu`
`11:53.11`	`Codayus`	`nod`
`11:53.16`	`pagefault`	`if you have a not so good video card it will still run fast I think on a fast CPU`
`11:53.18`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Slayman, exactly`
`11:53.20`	`pagefault`	`a fast CPU makes up for it`
`11:53.31`	`Codayus`	`My new comp has 2gigs of ram. Seems to help... :-)`
`11:53.36`	`Slayman`	`[MoonWolf]: ty`
`11:53.38`	`[MoonWolf]`	`oh yeah, that will help`
`11:53.39`	`Codayus`	`In IF, at least.`
`11:53.41`	`pagefault`	`yeah ram helps a lot`
`11:53.46`	`pagefault`	`addons gobble up the ram as well`
`11:54.01`	`Codayus`	`Haven't heathed back to IF and lagged directy into the pit yet. :-)`
`11:54.05`	`Mikma`	`oh well, to be honest, i have 3 os's at my apartment now. WinXP (gf's pc), OSX (my mac), Debian Linux (router/server) :)`
`11:54.14`	`Codayus`	`That too. I have, erm, something of an addon addiction... :-)`
`11:54.28`	`[MoonWolf]`	`I have never had this pit lag....`
`11:54.36`	`[MoonWolf]`	`how hard is it to walk in a straight line ?`
`11:54.51`	`Codayus`	`Heh, client freezes when trying to load 50 million people at once.`
`11:55.01`	`Codayus`	`The problem is that you DO walk in a straight line...`
`11:55.03`	`pagefault`	`my friend has a athlon 64 3800+ and an ati x1800 and it runs 60 fps all the time`
`11:55.05`	`pagefault`	`with all settings maxed`
`11:55.08`	`pagefault`	`it's so smooth`
`11:55.19`	`Codayus`	`...one frame your inside the bar, the next frame (about 6 seconds later) you're in the pit.`
`11:56.35`	`[MoonWolf]`	`learn to go to darnassus`
`11:56.41`	`pagefault`	`wikipedia is down`
`11:57.06`	`Codayus`	`pagefault: I just upgraded...I've got an athlon 64 X2 3800+. Runs pretty smooth now. :-)`
`11:57.15`	`pagefault`	`yeah I want one`
`11:57.47`	`[MoonWolf]`	`I want a dual core....`
`11:57.56`	`Codayus`	`It's shiny! :-)`
`11:57.58`	`pagefault`	`I want 64-bit`
`11:58.05`	`pagefault`	`I want to develop for it`
`11:58.05`	`Codayus`	`Of course, it'll probably have to last me a few years, but what the hell.`
`11:58.25`	`pagefault`	`I last got a PC 3 years ago`
`11:58.28`	`pagefault`	`almost time to upgrade again`
`11:58.36`	`Slayman`	`GetNumBags() a valid UI function? ...`
`11:58.41`	`[MoonWolf]`	`this one is a year old`
`11:58.48`	`[MoonWolf]`	`will have to last me another year I guess`
`11:58.57`	`Codayus`	`Apparently WoW has some very rudimentary support for dual cores. Runs the graphics off one core, and the disk/network stuff on the other. So I hear. <shrug> Can't confirm...`
`11:59.12`	`Elviso`	`Slayman: wowwiki.com :)`
`11:59.37`	`Slayman`	`there i am can't find it, but i sweared it exists ...... need to look much closer`
`11:59.43`	`Codayus`	`That's the problem with computers. By the time you've opened the packaging and stuck it in the case...it's obsolete. And the new part is twice as fast and cheaper to boot. :-(`
`12:01.38`	`Mikma`	`around the world around the wooorld`
`12:05.40`	`Elviso`	`Daft Punk?`
`12:06.46`	`Mikma`	`yeah`
`12:08.03`	`Elviso`	`I did alot of hallucinogens to that song..`
`12:08.09`	`Elviso`	`brings back good memories`
`12:11.59`	`pagefault`	`what does everyone use`
`12:12.01`	`pagefault`	`for editing lua`
`12:14.13`	`Elviso`	`edit+ and notepad++ sometimes`
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`12:21.47`	`[MoonWolf]`	`that clip alone made you feel like you were doing some pretty serieous stuff`
`12:22.25`	`Elviso`	`http://www.wowwiki.com`
`12:22.36`	`Elviso`	`(testing my new xchat)`
`12:22.53`	`[MoonWolf]`	`hehe`
`12:23.23`	`Elviso`	`I guess I can do w/o having links open on dbl-click`
`12:23.42`	`Elviso`	`I just have to right-click....and xchat makes it easier to copy a link`
`12:23.46`	`Elviso`	`don't have to highlight it`
`12:23.48`	`[MoonWolf]`	`yep`
`12:23.58`	`[MoonWolf]`	`xchat is full of goodness`
`12:24.01`	`Elviso`	`now....if I could only make it save the logs where I want them`
`12:24.23`	`[MoonWolf]`	`not to mention it xchat keeps as much real estate for the actual chat.`
`12:24.45`	`Elviso`	`evidently you use it....do you know how it updates the logs?`
`12:25.01`	`Elviso`	`like does it do it periodically, or only when you leave that channel?`
`12:25.33`	`[MoonWolf]`	`periodicly`
`12:26.03`	`[MoonWolf]`	`you can also go to window raw log to look at the current windows log.`
`12:26.04`	`Elviso`	`nice....I've been using visualIRC, and it's OK....except that it ONLY saves logs on /leave`
`12:26.20`	`Elviso`	`so it's like a real slow, real big memory leak`
`12:26.25`	`Elviso`	`if I leave it open for a few days`
`12:26.54`	`[MoonWolf]`	`and you can search the currently shown chat history`
`12:27.21`	`[MoonWolf]`	`you can also search the currently shown chat`
`12:27.23`	`Elviso`	`wtf is all this extra stuff in the raw log? lol`
`12:27.39`	`[MoonWolf]`	`it is called RAW log for a reason.`
`12:27.51`	`Elviso`	`I know, but..`
`12:29.16`	`Elviso`	`the search current is nice, that's a "why doesn't other clients have this" feature`
`12:29.21`	`[MoonWolf]`	`dont know.... I like it a lot, that is all I know.`
`12:32.11`	`Elviso`	`now, need to try to find/remember my auth settings..`
`12:37.11`	id`	`i keep a password file`
`12:37.24`	id`	`:P`
`12:37.35`	id`	`pen and paper though`
`12:40.41`	id`	`mostly sql databases and svn stuff`
`12:40.42`	id`	`:P`
`12:40.46`	`Elviso`	`goodbye cruel world!`
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`12:42.14`	`[MoonWolf]`	`the world wont let you go.`
`12:42.33`	`Elviso`	`nope, heh`
`12:43.49`	`Elviso`	`brb`
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`12:44.36`	`Elviso`	`lame!`
`12:44.59`	`Elviso`	`to join mutliple channels on startup, you can't use a space. stumped me!`
`12:46.17`	`Elviso`	`ok, now it's time for "Elvis to totally OCD over the color settings of a trivial program"`
`12:49.29`	`[MoonWolf]`	`lol`
`12:53.04`	id`	`http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4865`
`12:53.05`	id`	`darn`
`12:53.07`	id`	`pretty neat`
`12:53.36`	`[MoonWolf]`	`nice`
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`13:01.24`	`Elviso`	`test`
`13:02.50`	`[MoonWolf]`	`hey did it work ?`
`13:03.13`	`Elviso`	`somewhat :p`
`13:03.18`	`Elviso`	`brb`
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`13:03.37`	`Elviso`	`alot of these opts require a xchat restart :\`
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`13:20.44`	`TheFly\|`	`anyone know what's up with BattlegroundFu on wowi`
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`13:25.42`	`Lucen`	`TheFly\|: it just not showing up?`
`13:26.48`	`TheFly\|`	`You are not authorized to view this file...`
`13:27.25`	`Lucen`	`yeah...I think hc had Cair move it to an inaccessible area`
`13:27.39`	`Lucen`	`he was having some issues last night with his latest build`
`13:27.55`	`TheFly\|`	`k, that would explain it.`
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`13:59.18`	`Elviso`	`wb`
`13:59.20`	`phyber`	`anyone know why facboy chose to break Timex by renaming functions?`
`13:59.43`	`[MoonWolf]`	`nope, i dont keep up with timex.`
`14:03.04`	`otravi`	`on what version did he break timex :o ?`
`14:03.36`	`phyber`	`he renamed AddNamedSchedule and DeleteNamedSchedule`
`14:03.44`	`phyber`	`so, they are now just AddSchedule and DeleteSchedule`
`14:04.08`	`otravi`	`doesn't it also include depreicated support?`
`14:04.17`	`Lucen`	`they should still be supported with the TimexDepricated.lua`
`14:04.26`	`phyber`	`doesn't seem to since a bunch of my addons got borked.`
`14:04.32`	`phyber`	`I just added in some dummy thing to his version to point AddNamed and DeleteNamed to his functions.`
`14:04.43`	`Lucen`	`odd`
`14:05.02`	`otravi`	`it still has support in the TimexDepricated.lua`
`14:06.19`	`Tain`	`Ah hah! I ordered Visual Studio Standard edu license, $50 instead of $250, and they shipped.`
`14:06.29`	`[MoonWolf]`	`grats`
`14:06.33`	`phyber`	`nice`
`14:06.38`	`Lucen`	`haha..nice`
`14:06.47`	`phyber`	`otravi: strance that it doesn't work then.`
`14:06.56`	`phyber`	`wtf? strange, I mean.`
`14:07.56`	`phyber`	`hmm. oh well. probably just something else in my interface screwing with it ;)`
`14:12.42`	`otravi`	`points at chronos`
`14:20.45`	`phyber`	`don't use it. :) fixed now anyway. don't know what changed but it's working :)`
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`14:51.53`	id`	`ownage!`
`14:51.56`	id`	`^_______^`
`14:52.04`	id`	`ack moon is gone`
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`15:40.22`	`phyber`	`is there any way to do something fancy with the ColorPickerFrame.func?`
`15:40.24`	`phyber`	`for example`
`15:40.28`	`phyber`	`ColorPickerFrame.func = getglobal("Set_"..strlower(i).."Colour")`
`15:40.40`	`phyber`	`that works and calls the correct function, but failed when I hit OK in the frame.`
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`15:47.14`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Ni hao? Fun with Chinese farmers?`
`15:47.23`	id`	`lol`
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`15:48.12`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Stoopid ThinkVantage...`
`15:48.41`	id`	`proxy-ce1.disney.com o_O`
`15:48.57`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Shhh... They may be listening...`
`15:49.05`	id`	`dun dun DUN!!`
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`15:51.05`	`Neronix`	`Afternoon`
`15:51.17`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Mornin'...`
`15:52.30`	`Mikma`	`yawn`
`15:52.58`	`Mikma`	`mmm. coffee..`
`15:54.14`	`Neronix`	`Ratbert_CP: ?`
`15:54.16`	`Ratbert_CP`	`But I really need to make sure my caching is actually useful...`
`15:54.44`	`Ratbert_CP`	`I've been making wild assumptions about how to harvest information, and I may be doing more harm than good.`
`15:55.13`	`Ratbert_CP`	`But I do like my metatable-happy, weak-table item data cache... :)`
`15:55.27`	id`	`Ratbert_CP: what addon?`
`15:55.27`	`Ratbert_CP`	`I think... :)`
`15:55.28`	id`	`><`
`15:55.30`	`Ratbert_CP`	`BagBoy`
`15:55.34`	id`	`svn`
`15:55.36`	id`	`:P`
`15:56.54`	`Ratbert_CP`	`svn or wowi...`
`15:57.13`	id`	`Tekkub: InvSort - Changed to use PeriodicTable:GetSet to verify that a set is valid (GetSet does not force the set to be expanded out, GetSetTable does... also GetSetTable may not work for multisets, I've not tested)`
`15:57.17`	id`	`GetSet ?`
`15:57.23`	id`	`you might wanna take a break from coding`
`15:57.26`	id`	`:P`
`15:58.17`	id`	`combined sell-o-matic and trash-o-matic with a gui`
`15:58.19`	id`	`me likey`
`15:58.21`	id`	`try`
`15:59.08`	id`	`buh update`
`15:59.17`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Also has FuBar support, Auto-Banking, and support for KCI, LootLink, PackRat and ItemRack`
`15:59.20`	id`	`forgot the moved it at the eu servers to this week, last weeks update`
`15:59.36`	id`	`of wich i use none xD`
`15:59.44`	id`	`(still nice tho)`
`15:59.50`	`Ratbert_CP`	`So you never sell/trash an item in an ItemRack set, and can sort items by vendor prices...`
`16:01.18`	id`	`i fear you not!`
`16:06.30`	`Wobin_`	er id` =P Set as in a group of items, not Set as in assigning a value =P
`16:07.21`	id`	`well`
`16:07.29`	id`	`then make it getSet()`
`16:07.30`	`Tain`	`Ratbert_CP, can you add feedback on the toggle commands to let you know if you've just toggled somethign on or off? I have to do a report every time I change something because I don't know what it's set at`
`16:07.30`	id`	`:P`
`16:07.51`	id`	`damn EU login server being hammered... cant login`
`16:09.55`	`Neronix`	`is 1.10.1 released for eu now?`
`16:10.17`	`Wobin_`	`gah`
`16:10.22`	`Wobin_`	`timex needs to be on the SVN`
`16:16.32`	id`	`yes Neronix`
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`16:18.17`	id`	`Ratbert_CP: Its a good thing, your addon. It's not a thing for me though. I am VERY in control of what is in my bag, hell i even move things around while fighting..`
`16:19.03`	id`	`i usually keep my onebag in 4 columns`
`16:19.14`	id`	`using each column bottom up for a purpose`
`16:20.00`	`Wobin_`	`anyone else having issues with the SVN?`
`16:20.09`	id`	`1. tools 2. quests 3. trade 4. valuables`
`16:20.17`	id`	`garbage does not enter my bag :E`
`16:21.08`	`Lucen`	`Wobin_: SVN's been fine for me this morning`
`16:21.39`	`Neronix`	id`: ok, thanks
`16:25.51`	`otravi`	`Think I'm finally done hacking the shit out of PunBB :p`
`16:25.52`	`otravi`	`added support for textile and BBCodes per post, moderation outisde the moderators group, and lots of small stuff :p`
`16:25.52`	`otravi`	`(small stuff like: polls, ability to make a UL/OL)`
`16:26.12`	`Neronix`	`aw crap`
`16:26.21`	`Neronix`	`I deleted the background downloader and I can't patch >.>`
`16:26.28`	`otravi`	`:D`
`16:26.54`	`otravi`	`US or EU? (wouldn't be a shock if it was different on EU)`
`16:28.52`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Tain, via FuBar? I've color coded (but not documented) the state of the actions...`
`16:30.27`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Tain: NM. I'll add in the feedback...`
`16:32.52`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Tain: You could always put in a feature request at WOWI... ;)`
`16:35.16`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Wait a second... It should be reporting...`
`16:36.10`	`Tain`	`I was going to put a request at wowi. When I do /bagboy autosell (for example) it doesn't say anything, I haven to look at /bagboy report`
`16:37.23`	`Ratbert_CP`	`http://ace.pastebin.com/669553`
`16:37.51`	`otravi`	`yay`
`16:38.00`	`otravi`	`the patch didn't manage to patch my wow`
`16:38.06`	`otravi`	`but it did manage to delete my WTF folder..`
`16:38.10`	`Ratbert_CP`	`I added in a silent flag so it wouldn't report when toggling via FuBar. But it looks like it killed "normal" status reporting...`
`16:38.25`	`Tain`	`Ah fun. :)`
`16:38.48`	`otravi`	`good that I'm a backup freak :D`
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`16:40.59`	`Wobin_`	`mutter`
`16:41.02`	`otravi`	`:D`
`16:41.04`	`Wobin_`	`Anyway...`
`16:41.17`	`Wobin_`	`I'm getting a propfind error when trying to repobrowse`
`16:41.37`	`Wobin_`	`to http://svn.wowace.com`
`16:41.52`	`Wobin_`	`any ideas?`
`16:42.14`	`Neronix`	`you using a client?`
`16:42.22`	`Neronix`	`if so, it's svn.wowace.com/root`
`16:42.43`	`Neronix`	`svn.wowace.com's the fancy interface for web browsers`
`16:43.01`	`otravi`	`(and laggy)`
`16:43.50`	`Wobin_`	`root eh?`
`16:43.57`	`otravi`	`root is root :D`
`16:47.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`how could it be anything else =)`
`16:47.49`	`Neronix`	`can any of you sexy beasts please send me the background downloader exe? :P`
`16:48.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`uh, why do you want that?`
`16:48.06`	`Neronix`	`wow's refusing to patch because I deleted it >.>`
`16:48.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`don't they have a repair utility in their ftp?`
`16:48.39`	`Neronix`	`doesn't that revert the entire installation back to 1.0?`
`16:48.52`	`hyperChipmunk`	`heck I dunno`
`16:49.09`	`Neronix`	`I'm sure it did`
`16:49.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh there's a Repair.exe in the wow directory`
`16:49.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`anyways`
`16:49.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`http://69.14.77.214/BackgroundDownloader.exe`
`16:49.53`	`Neronix`	`thanks`
`16:50.24`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hyperChipmunk: do you have BatFu fixed? If so, I'll move it back out for you. Otherwise, I'm about to head out again, will be back later on`
`16:51.10`	`Tain`	`Why does the move from 99.9% downloaded to 100% downloaded seem to take as much time as from 1 to 99%?`
`16:51.56`	`otravi`	`hyperChipmunk: I hate that repair.exe file :<`
`16:52.03`	`otravi`	`the only thing it does is crash my patches`
`16:52.07`	`otravi`	`patches*`
`16:52.10`	`otravi`	`:-------(`
`16:52.14`	`otravi`	`s/es/er/`
`16:52.25`	`otravi`	`okey.. enouhg f'ups`
`16:52.44`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`5`
`16:52.55`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`4`
`16:53.07`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`3`
`16:53.18`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`2`
`16:53.34`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`okay, I'm gone again, back later`
`16:57.13`	id`	`Question, is there a shortcut like ctrl right click to destroy an item?`
`16:57.23`	id`	`Ratbert_CP: on a second thought i like it`
`16:57.33`	id`	`Ratbert_CP: will you include an auto destoy? :P`
`16:59.06`	`Wobin_`	`Tain: That's bittorrent for you =p`
`16:59.31`	`Ratbert_CP`	`AutoTrashing is in... But you have to get the item into your inventory first.`
`16:59.43`	`Wobin_`	id`: There used to be a EasyDestroy addon
`16:59.45`	`Ratbert_CP`	`i.e., It won't do "smart" lott/trashing...`
`16:59.53`	`Ratbert_CP`	`s/lott/loot/`
`16:59.53`	`Wobin_`	`But it got broken by the dressing room`
`17:00.13`	`Wobin_`	`well not really broken`
`17:00.25`	`Wobin_`	`You could add in the code so it was ctrl-alt right click`
`17:01.00`	`Ratbert_CP`	`What is/was the functionality?`
`17:02.44`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Tain: Fixed the reporting issue...`
`17:03.58`	`Ratbert_CP`	`BagBoy effectively does EasyDestroy.`
`17:04.10`	`Ratbert_CP`	`You just have to flag the item(s) for auto-trashing.`
`17:05.29`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Then either turn on auto-trashing and wait one second after closing a loot screen, or use the chat command "/bagboy trash now" (or a macro, or use the keybinding)`
`17:06.31`	id`	`Ratbert_CP: k`
`17:06.36`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Still planning on implementing rules... i.e., If an item is grey and not a reagent for my class or profession, trash it.`
`17:07.29`	`Ratbert_CP`	`If you use KCI, LootLink or PackRat, I also plan on adding stack vendor pricing. i.e., if the item is grey or white, not a reagent, and the stack is worth less than 2s, trash it.`
`17:07.51`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Actually, it'll be by max stack size, not current stack size...`
`17:08.36`	`Wobin_`	`Ratbert_CP: The functionality was purely what id was asking, ctrl-rightclick to destroy an item`
`17:09.47`	`Wobin_`	`feh`
`17:09.56`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Suppose something like that could be added, but I think it would be best served by a standalone addon, like a fixed EasyDestroy.`
`17:10.02`	`Wobin_`	`yeh`
`17:11.08`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Looking at curse-gaming, it looks like it is fixed...`
`17:11.17`	`Ratbert_CP`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=692`
`17:12.30`	`Ratbert_CP`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1505`
`17:12.35`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Or was...`
`17:17.06`	`Wobin_`	`oh. I hvaen't looked in quite some time`
`17:17.32`	`Wobin_`	`oh`
`17:17.35`	`Wobin_`	`Sea dependancy`
`17:17.42`	`Wobin_`	`possibly why I dropped it =P`
`17:18.06`	`Wobin_`	`ah, it's changed again`
`17:19.37`	id`	`Ratbert_CP: ah ok cool`
`17:19.48`	id`	`Ratbert_CP: i thought trash was to sell to merchants or something`
`17:22.26`	id`	`http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/fun/WoWScrnShot_041906_191910.jpg`
`17:23.37`	id`	`phat lewt!`
`17:24.23`	`otravi`	`how can you live with everything in one window! gasps`
`17:24.50`	`otravi`	`and standard blizzard frames :p`
`17:24.50`	`Wobin_`	`everything?`
`17:24.57`	`otravi`	`I ment bags :p`
`17:25.00`	`Wobin_`	`oh`
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`17:25.08`	`Wobin_`	`I prefer the onebag outlook`
`17:25.12`	`otravi`	`(I'm stressing a little)`
`17:25.32`	`Wobin_`	`It saves me from having to click lots to open lots of bags and try and find stuff`
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`17:26.07`	`otravi`	`I have categories in my bag`
`17:26.22`	`Wobin_`	`Oh, I just sort the bag into categories`
`17:26.32`	id`	`otravi: yest to find a unit frame addon`
`17:26.37`	`Wobin_`	`weapons, armour, questitems, etc etc etc`
`17:26.37`	id`	`i dont need values on my bars tho`
`17:26.40`	id`	`i just need bars`
`17:26.59`	`Mikma`	`otravi: hows the tooltip going on ;)`
`17:27.05`	`otravi`	`Mikma: not even started :p`
`17:27.36`	`Mikma`	`otravi: boo :( take your time :)`
`17:27.51`	`otravi`	`I will, lots of exams this week :p`
`17:27.55`	`otravi`	`and work to finish ^^`
`17:29.22`	`Mikma`	`well TipBuddy works until you get it done ;)`
`17:30.05`	`otravi`	`soon finished hacking this forum into pieces`
`17:32.10`	`Mikma`	`well let's see what does my gf like to tank with ora + bigwigs ;)`
`17:32.16`	`Mikma`	`she misses the ctra-windows tho :P`
`17:32.29`	`otravi`	`Can always use XRaid`
`17:32.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`what's wrong with...yea, Xraid`
`17:33.07`	`otravi`	`memory increase and lagspikes`
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`17:33.42`	`Neronix`	`ugh, couldn't change nicks while in the chan for some reason`
`17:33.45`	`Mikma`	`mem inc + lagspikes with XRaid or CTRA? :P`
`17:33.58`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i think we're still in lockdown mode`
`17:34.03`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hi Tem +)`
`17:34.06`	`Tem`	`rawr`
`17:34.20`	`Mikma`	`#wowace(+Rcnt)`
`17:34.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`if your afk nick wasn't registered, the +R probably got ya`
`17:34.39`	`otravi`	`Mikma: XRaid (and CTRA)`
`17:34.45`	`Neronix`	`I see`
`17:34.58`	`Wobin_`	`yeah`
`17:35.04`	`Wobin_`	`irritating =P`
`17:35.20`	`Wobin_`	`I may have to register some wacky 'other' nick`
`17:35.37`	`Mikma`	`well, let's hope she can play with EasyRaid while waiting for PerfectRaid`
`17:35.37`	`Wobin_`	`Since most permutations of my nick are already taken damnit`
`17:37.26`	`Tain`	`I'm a little disturbed. There's an article on msn.com, "59 Things a Man Should Never Do Past 30" and I disagree with a bunch of them.`
`17:37.50`	`Tain`	`not most of them! But come on now, "28. Eat Oreo cookies in stages."`
`17:38.08`	`Tain`	`I'll twist apart my Oreos until the day I die.`
`17:39.06`	`otravi`	`Wobin_: you could always do like me.. don't change nic kd:`
`17:42.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Tain: >8D`
`17:42.26`	`Wobin_`	`yeah. but if I disconnect and my previous nick is still hanging about, I have to quit the channel to ghost and redo it`
`17:42.52`	`Mikma`	`bah, when we started the first thing i heard was "where's my MT window"`
`17:43.24`	`Mikma`	`and for some reason i didn't get readychecks :(`
`17:43.35`	`Wobin_`	`Hehe I had someone asking me today "Are you -really- using version 0.013 of CTRaid?"`
`17:44.20`	`otravi`	`Wobin_: then it's time to update oRA :p`
`17:44.46`	`Wobin_`	`I just did =)`
`17:44.53`	`otravi`	`I doesn't report 0.1012 anymore. Why? CTRA tagged it as a invalid client :(`
`17:45.05`	`Wobin_`	`Ha, so you fake the call =P`
`17:45.18`	`Wobin_`	`"Nobody here but us CTRaiders.."`
`17:45.26`	`Wobin_`	`whistles innocently`
`17:45.33`	`otravi`	`whistles`
`17:45.43`	`otravi`	`can you test the SVN oRA btw :D ?`
`17:45.57`	`otravi`	`since I've changed quite a lot and I haven't had time to raid myself`
`17:46.28`	`Wobin_`	`hehe, not I =) I don't know enough about raiding to say if it works well or not =)`
`17:46.37`	`Wobin_`	`Apart from "Well... it didn't break..."`
`17:46.52`	`otravi`	`hehe`
`17:49.35`	`Mikma`	`otravi: what's changed?`
`17:50.12`	`otravi`	`Mikma: the way it goes trough the CTRA channel spam`
`17:50.53`	`otravi`	`Mikma: and timex is no longer a dep`
`17:51.47`	`Mikma`	`mmkay, plain core updated?`
`17:52.03`	`otravi`	`nope, all modules had to be updated also`
`17:53.04`	`Wobin_`	`switched to Metrognome?`
`17:53.31`	`otravi`	`yes`
`17:55.23`	`otravi`	`but somehow the mem usage _went_ down ....`
`17:57.45`	`Wobin_`	`Since the change from timex?`
`17:58.05`	`Wobin_`	`Well, could be because you're doing a whole lot of updates quickly?`
`17:59.44`	`otravi`	`waah?`
`17:59.56`	`Mikma`	`ffs i had to put ctra back on :(`
`18:01.18`	`otravi`	`:>`
`18:01.20`	`otravi`	`:< *`
`18:01.46`	`Lucen`	`that sucks :(`
`18:01.52`	`Mikma`	`don't have the time to hack our guilds bidding-addon right now`
`18:02.09`	`Mikma`	`and others didn't see my "ctra" version + i didn't get any readychecks`
`18:02.24`	`Mikma`	`and this was with the previous version with timex etc`
`18:02.46`	`Neronix`	`Anyone here play with OpenGL?`
`18:02.48`	`Lucen`	`only reason i get away with it is because I fix mods for everyone in guild :D`
`18:02.52`	`otravi`	`then I'll ask the magic question: Was there ever a broadcast?`
`18:03.13`	`Mikma`	`otravi: 4 broadcasts :P`
`18:03.24`	`otravi`	`Mikma: Then I have no idea why it doesn't work for you`
`18:03.42`	`Mikma`	`me neither, they didn't see my version either and kept asking do i have ctra`
`18:04.06`	`otravi`	`sicne oRA sends the version as soon as it joins the chan`
`18:04.26`	`Mikma`	`someone should do oRA_Frames :P`
`18:04.35`	`Mikma`	`meaning MT window + raidframes which ctra has`
`18:08.06`	`Lucen`	`i've though about trying to make raid frames using AceUnitFrames`
`18:08.08`	`Lucen`	`it's tempting`
`18:08.14`	`Lucen`	`if I ever find the time`
`18:08.21`	`Mikma`	`5.5KiB - 12KiB with CTRA :((`
`18:13.32`	`Neronix`	`Anyone here play with OpenGL?`
`18:14.10`	`otravi`	`I play with OpenGL`
`18:14.22`	`otravi`	`I thought you ment played with OpenGL as in programming first :p`
`18:14.27`	`Neronix`	`heh`
`18:14.46`	`Neronix`	`do you see the red/green circle around the target's feet?`
`18:15.26`	`otravi`	`Yes`
`18:16.24`	`otravi`	`Neronix: you play with Wine/Cedega?`
`18:16.33`	`Neronix`	`nah, windows`
`18:16.58`	`Neronix`	`I'd rather play with open gl because I get a slightly better framerate`
`18:16.59`	`otravi`	`Then I don't have a solution :p`
`18:17.20`	`Neronix`	`but the last time I tried (about a few months ago) I would see the odd artifact or 2`
`18:17.49`	`Neronix`	`and the absence of the targetting circle annoyed me most :P`
`18:18.57`	`Shyva`	`".. from Shyva (seriously why the hell can't he do his ovn commits?)", how do I submit things myself? :P`
`18:19.24`	`Mikma`	`someone teach him!`
`18:19.36`	`Wobin_`	`do you have an account on the SVN?`
`18:19.47`	`Shyva`	`uuuh, I think not !_?`
`18:20.06`	`Wobin_`	`email clad with a username`
`18:20.16`	`Shyva`	`what's his email?`
`18:20.24`	`Wobin_`	`cladhaire@gmail`
`18:20.42`	`Shyva`	`Thanks Wobin_ ^_-`
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`18:20.53`	`Wobin_`	`Are you using a mac or pc?`
`18:21.06`	`Shyva`	`pc - Windows xp`
`18:21.34`	`Wobin_`	`grab a copy of TortoiseSVN`
`18:21.54`	`Shyva`	`got it! :-D`
`18:21.58`	`otravi`	`Shyva: svn commit -m "FooAddon - I broke something :(((("`
`18:22.02`	`otravi`	`:---D`
`18:22.29`	`otravi`	`Don't ask me about TortoiseSVN tho', never used it`
`18:22.29`	`Shyva`	`o.0 :-O`
`18:22.46`	`Wobin_`	`tortoisesvn just makes everything easy`
`18:23.37`	`otravi`	`Wobin_: It made me confused when I tried it on my laptop :p`
`18:24.02`	`Wobin_`	`It seems fairly straightforward`
`18:24.03`	`otravi`	`but then again.. most of windows makes me confused`
`18:24.50`	`Shyva`	`windows == easy mode on, I like easy mode ^^`
`18:25.30`	`otravi`	`I get mad everytime I use windows, I want to change something... and it just... doesn't.. agree.....`
`18:26.44`	`Shyva`	`well, I never understand linux, and mac is even worse then windows tbh...`
`18:27.02`	`otravi`	`me likes mac`
`18:27.09`	`Mikma`	`me like otravi`
`18:27.49`	`Mikma`	`s\like\likes`
`18:30.17`	`Mikma`	`haha! he got scared`
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`18:31.19`	`Mikma`	`wb`
`18:31.38`	`Neronix`	`I've only been around here a few days and I've already seen more funny things than I've ever seen in other channels over a year`
`18:32.01`	`Neronix`	`:P`
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`18:37.13`	`Mikma`	`wtb good raid ui`
`18:37.57`	`Mikma`	`(which works with AceHeal)`
`18:38.11`	`otravi`	`(force clad\|work to finish PerfectRaid)`
`18:38.34`	`Wobin_`	`ckknight said he was going to rewrite aceheal`
`18:38.40`	`Wobin_`	`or optimise it`
`18:38.49`	`otravi`	`:O`
`18:38.53`	`Wobin_`	`I'm slowly working on a needylist type of thing`
`18:38.53`	`Mikma`	`since i don't know anything about PerfectRaid, Does it work with oRA / CTRA MT targets`
`18:39.13`	`otravi`	`PerfectRaidTargets does`
`18:39.21`	`otravi`	`but it's very, very, beta still :D`
`18:39.41`	`Mikma`	`don't wanna risk with betas :(`
`18:40.24`	`Mikma`	`EasyRaid is good but it still lacks couple of features`
`18:40.27`	`otravi`	`oRA is beta :O`
`18:40.44`	`Mikma`	`iip, maybe that's the reason i had to remove it moment ago ;)`
`18:42.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ey boss, just the man I was looking for`
`18:43.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`in glorylib, you're initializing the objective's defender field by looking up the defender in the table =)`
`18:44.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`which is a lot like plugging a power strip into itself and wondering why nothing else you plug into it works`
`18:44.35`	`Neronix`	`anyone know a good replacement for autobar?`
`18:44.46`	`Mikma`	`what does autobar do`
`18:45.00`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Handy...`
`18:45.03`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, okay?`
`18:45.25`	`Ratbert_CP`	`It'll give you a bar with your best available potions/food/bandages...`
`18:45.32`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Updated real-time...`
`18:45.38`	`Neronix`	`what Rat said`
`18:45.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`can I change that in GloryLib, or is GloryLib untouchable now`
`18:45.57`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Great, if you can stomach supporting Saien... ;)`
`18:45.57`	`Wobin_`	`shouldn't be too hard to make with PT =)`
`18:46.12`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, change it, I'm not sure how that part works fully`
`18:46.17`	`Wobin_`	`since PT offers values as to how much foodstuffs and potoins return`
`18:46.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`okay, great =)`
`18:46.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`when you split it into GetHolder`
`18:46.31`	`Ratbert_CP`	`No, in fact Tekkub's been touting that since PT first ran up the flagpole... ;)`
`18:46.39`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, I just renamed it`
`18:46.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's where the table value needed to be set with`
`18:46.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`since the GetDefender is now the table look-up`
`18:47.07`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`18:47.13`	`ckknight`	`which used to be GetNodeDefender`
`18:47.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`right`
`18:47.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`k, just so long as we're on the same page =)`
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`18:48.24`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, I just renamed things, I didn't change code`
`18:48.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`alright; I wasn't sure if you'd gone to print with this yet`
`18:48.52`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so I was a little worried`
`18:49.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`given how I screwed up yesterday`
`18:49.07`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: aye dude, how's the aceheal mod going on :)`
`18:49.14`	`ckknight`	`I didn't start`
`18:49.30`	`Mikma`	`oh well, you can't always win`
`18:50.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hm, then we can't have GetHolder return uncontrolled or destroyed`
`18:50.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`because you want defender to be nil in those instances`
`18:51.32`	`ckknight`	`?`
`18:51.39`	`ckknight`	`why?`
`18:51.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`when an objective is destroyed, it has no defender`
`18:52.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it's out of the game`
`18:52.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`we put that status in isDestroyed`
`18:52.14`	`ckknight`	`you wrote the code`
`18:52.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`right =)`
`18:52.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so I'm thinking aloud =p`
`18:53.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it doesn't make any practical difference beyond wasting a table field, but it's logically inconsistent`
`18:53.45`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`18:56.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`in fact, it's logically unnecessary, since the only situation in which a node can be not destroyed yet still have no defender is at the beginning of the match, when nobody has claimed it yet`
`18:57.41`	`Mikma`	`otravi: ok, i'm giving it a go for the new oRA soon`
`18:57.58`	`hyperChipmunk`	`actually, I can turn this new layout to my advantage`
`19:12.08`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: any quickinfos on how to fix the targeting bug on aceheal?`
`19:15.32`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh this is brilliant =)`
`19:29.39`	`ckknight`	`Mikma, I'll get to it...`
`19:30.35`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: wow, you work for Blizz? :D`
`19:30.44`	`ckknight`	`no`
`19:30.51`	`ckknight`	`would be cool, though`
`19:30.57`	`Mikma`	`the answer was just like blue one in forums/ ingame`
`19:31.05`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`19:31.09`	`Mikma`	`hehe :)`
`19:31.31`	`Mikma`	`"it's working as intended, we'll look into it."`
`19:31.48`	`ckknight`	`I'm gonna work on AceHeal now, I guess`
`19:32.01`	`Mikma`	`now that EU got 1.10.1 patch i think Inner Sanctum will down C'thun`
`19:32.17`	`ckknight`	`whoever wrote this surely didn't have English as their first language`
`19:32.41`	`Mikma`	`hmm? now you got me interested too, let's see`
`19:32.56`	`ckknight`	`threashold`
`19:33.02`	`Mikma`	`(btw mine ain't either english, it's finnish)`
`19:33.42`	`ckknight`	`good stuff`
`19:33.53`	`ckknight`	`your English is pretty good, though`
`19:34.28`	`Mikma`	`english was almost the only thing that i liked in school`
`19:34.37`	`Mikma`	`Mythbusters! :D`
`19:38.05`	`Wobin_`	`hehe`
`19:38.35`	`Wobin_`	`"Today, we're going to see how far we can actually throw a man with a home made catapult made from the inner tires of a monster truck!"`
`19:41.23`	`Mikma`	`in this episode they're building a bridge, and trying to make a little marching robots to break it :D`
`19:44.22`	`Wobin_`	`oh I've seen that one =)`
`19:44.33`	`Wobin_`	`It's a pity they fail, cause the whole setup is brilliant =)`
`19:44.56`	`Mikma`	`yeah, hey think about it. Adam build a 20m long bridge...`
`19:45.35`	`Wobin_`	`They honestly have a civil engineer's dream job =P`
`19:45.47`	`Wobin_`	`They're given free reign to build stuff and blow it up =)`
`19:45.52`	`Wobin_`	`All in the name of 'education' =P`
`19:46.16`	`Mikma`	`last time i watched they tried to blow up the pressured plane with a handgun, and when they failed they used explosives :D`
`19:46.17`	`Lucen`	`definitly a dream job`
`19:46.18`	`Ratbert_CP`	`And never underestimate the potential of Buster and miscellaneous bits of ballistics gel...`
`19:46.46`	`Lucen`	`i personally like the one where they tried to "clean" the inside of a cement truck out with explosives`
`19:46.57`	`Mikma`	`haha, haven't seen that one yet`
`19:47.07`	`Wobin_`	`Or the one where they tested if a portaloo could explode due to methane buildup =)`
`19:47.18`	`Lucen`	`ooo..that was a good one Wobin`
`19:48.00`	`hyperChipmunk`	`rofl`
`19:48.14`	`Lucen`	`the bird through a plane wind shield was pretty funny too`
`19:48.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I've seen only one episode`
`19:48.23`	`Mikma`	`too bad there ain't a DVD-box of Mythbusters`
`19:48.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`they were testing the 'peeing on the third-rail' theory`
`19:48.34`	`Wobin_`	`hehe firing the frozen chicken =)`
`19:48.38`	`Lucen`	`i mean come on..huge air pressure cannon shooting frozen chickens`
`19:48.57`	`Lucen`	`so much fun...and they get paid for it`
`19:49.11`	`Lucen`	`third-rail! that was funny too`
`19:49.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the concluded it could work if the dude had a stream 3/4" thick or something like that`
`19:49.18`	`Lucen`	`hahaha`
`19:49.24`	`Wobin_`	`rofl`
`19:49.28`	`Mikma`	`the penny-gun was cool too`
`19:49.51`	`Wobin_`	`"Beware of electrocution if you are holding a firehose" =P`
`19:49.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hehee`
`19:51.07`	`otravi`	`haha, my L1 druid has 13 hours played`
`19:51.43`	`Wobin_`	`testchar?`
`19:51.50`	`Mikma`	`nowai!`
`19:52.17`	`otravi`	`yeah, I wipe on settings on it when I quit wow :p`
`19:54.01`	`FryGuy-`	`anyone here have experience implementing lua in an app?`
`19:54.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`is the app wow? =)`
`19:54.20`	`FryGuy-`	`no`
`19:54.33`	`FryGuy-`	`i'm trying to find a way to reroute the errors to a console, but no luck thus far`
`19:54.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh fry`
`19:54.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you see my post about batfu?`
`19:55.16`	`FryGuy-`	`batfu?`
`19:55.31`	`Wobin_`	`battlegroundsFu`
`19:55.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`battlegroundsfu; I thought you were asking about it in here last night`
`19:55.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`maybe I got the wrong guy`
`19:55.52`	`Wobin_`	`hyperChipmunk: What is GloryLib?`
`19:55.55`	`FryGuy-`	`[2006-04-19 09:50:08] <@Cairenn\|afk> hyperChipmunk: do you have BatFu fixed? If so, I'll move it back out for you. Otherwise, I'm about to head out again, will be back later on`
`19:55.56`	`FryGuy-`	`that?`
`19:56.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh`
`19:56.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`n/m it was TheFly`
`19:56.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`FryGuy`
`19:56.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`THeFly`
`19:56.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`same thing`
`19:56.34`	`FryGuy-`	`heh`
`19:56.34`	`Wobin_`	`hyperChipmunk`
`19:56.40`	`Wobin_`	`wereHamster`
`19:56.45`	`Wobin_`	`Same thing =P`
`19:56.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Wobin_: it's the embedded lib that honorfu and batfu share`
`19:57.01`	`Wobin_`	`hyperChipmunk: Aha =)`
`19:57.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i thought he released it with the rest of the 1.0 stuff`
`19:57.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so when I saw it hadnt' been changed`
`19:57.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I released mine`
`19:57.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and then apparently he didn't release it =P`
`19:58.00`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and furthermore, was planning on changing it a lot`
`19:58.15`	`Wobin_`	`I'm getting hardly any proper tooltips since release =P`
`19:58.20`	`otravi`	`bwahha`
`19:58.32`	`otravi`	`I made a friend level it to L2`
`20:03.11`	`Mikma`	`otravi: wtb automatic "Yes"-responser for readychecks ;)`
`20:03.46`	`otravi`	`Mikma: never...`
`20:04.19`	`Mikma`	`well it's because of you they are calling me badnames for being "afk" when readychecks come (irc irc)`
`20:05.04`	`otravi`	`get two screens, problem solved ^^`
`20:05.11`	`Mikma`	`hehe joking really...`
`20:05.40`	`Mikma`	`too bad there ain't 12" lcd's on sale here ;)`
`20:06.27`	`FryGuy-`	`i wish wow played sounds when you are alt-tabbed :(`
`20:06.41`	`otravi`	`It does here (linux ftw)`
`20:06.48`	`FryGuy-`	`heh`
`20:06.54`	`Mikma`	`FryGuy-: use windowed more`
`20:06.56`	`Mikma`	`mode*`
`20:06.57`	`FryGuy-`	`i can't live without irc and trillian :/`
`20:07.01`	`FryGuy-`	`I do`
`20:07.09`	`FryGuy-`	`windowed + maximized ftw`
`20:08.53`	`otravi`	`Mikma: updated oRA_RaidSay btw :)`
`20:09.14`	`Mikma`	`kewl :)`
`20:11.37`	`FryGuy-`	`hmm why did you do it like that otravi`
`20:12.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`can double-clicking on the world trigger an action?`
`20:12.18`	`otravi`	`FryGuy-: I'm lazy, and there might be some more to block later on`
`20:12.25`	`FryGuy-`	`%%%? .+ %%%?`
`20:12.30`	`FryGuy-`	`:p`
`20:12.36`	`otravi`	`ask Tekkub about that one :p`
`20:12.42`	`Mikma`	`regexp?`
`20:12.43`	`FryGuy-`	`oh`
`20:12.52`	`FryGuy-`	`Tekkub: answer my question :p`
`20:12.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like, if I wanted triple-click to throw up a flare...two clicks to cast, and the third selecting the target area`
`20:12.58`	`otravi`	`I used most of the BossBlock code`
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`20:13.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`something I've been trying to figure out on and off, but never got to work; anyone have an idea? or another mod that might incorporate a similar mechanic?`
`20:13.48`	`Mikma`	`cia is broken :(`
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`20:14.44`	`otravi`	`* .+ *$ would do the trick tho'`
`20:14.50`	`otravi`	`if I'm not wrong :o`
`20:15.30`	`FryGuy-`	`hm? :/`
`20:15.49`	`FryGuy-`	`% is the escape character i'm assuming`
`20:18.08`	`Mikma`	`well..`
`20:18.14`	`Mikma`	`perl -pi -e 's/^foo:.*$/foo: BAR/g' file.txt`
`20:18.35`	`Mikma`	`this one searches " foo: whatever " and replaces it with " foo: BAR "`
`20:18.39`	`Mikma`	`if i remember correctly`
`20:19.28`	kergoth`	`i hope you arent comparing perl's extended regex to lua's string matching. lua's string matching isnt even regex, its largely custom with similar syntax`
`20:19.30`	kergoth`	`heh`
`20:19.45`	`otravi`	%x (where x is any non-alphanumeric character) --- represents the character x. This is the standard way to escape the magic characters. Any punctuation character (even the non magic) can be preceded by a `%� when used to represent itself in a pattern.
`20:19.56`	`[MoonWolf]`	`they call it a regex in PIL`
`20:20.04`	`Mikma`	good to know kergoth` :) i didn't know
`20:20.14`	`Mikma`	`huh what's that last char :P`
`20:20.27`	`[MoonWolf]`	`that is what i was wondering`
`20:20.30`	`otravi`	`hehe`
`20:21.04`	kergoth`	`lua complies with neither basic nor extended regular expressions as specified by POSIX`
`20:23.36`	kergoth`	`http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap09.html .. i loves you, google`
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`20:44.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`boss, how do i get my tooltip to not scroll?`
`20:45.37`	`ckknight`	`have it less than 50 lines long?`
`20:45.49`	`ckknight`	`or make your font size smaller`
`20:45.55`	`ckknight`	`30 lines if detached`
`20:46.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`grr`
`20:47.03`	`hyperChipmunk`	`AV is like 20 lines jsut for the objectives`
`20:47.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I did a fairly significant restructuring of my battlefield model`
`20:47.51`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it should be a bit more robust`
`20:48.00`	`Mikma`	`whipee`
`20:48.11`	`Mikma`	`wipe at chrom, 14% :D`
`20:48.52`	`hyperChipmunk`	`only thing I have concern about is I can't use GetFactionColor anymore if everything else is horde, because I was greying stuff out if they didn't belong to anyone`
`20:49.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but now anything that doesn't belong to anyone gets horde-colored =P`
`20:49.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`frackin' horde.../mutter`
`20:53.02`	`Mikma`	`with WitchHunt and BigWigs the bossfights can be a mess on screen`
`20:53.29`	kergoth`	`how does witchhunt compare with spellalert? i havent had time to compare them`
`20:53.58`	`Mikma`	`can't really tell since i wasn't a spellalert fan :/`
`20:54.31`	kergoth`	`got spoiled using it to time my earth shocks :P`
`20:54.48`	`Mikma`	`hehehe, clever :D`
`20:55.05`	`Mikma`	`i'm glad ammo fixed it so players can't see friendly casts`
`20:55.30`	kergoth`	`heh, thatd be crazy spammy`
`20:55.43`	`Wobin_`	kergoth`: evil =)
`20:55.49`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, ah`
`20:55.50`	`Mikma`	`but on the other hand it's a good way to now which warlock keeps banishing elementals in MC`
`20:55.57`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, yea, cause it assumes either Alliance or Horde`
`20:56.10`	`hyperChipmunk`	`think of the Troggs!`
`20:56.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Troggs are factions too!`
`20:56.40`	`ckknight`	`see, I didn't realize this`
`20:56.45`	`ckknight`	`you can change the code if you want`
`20:56.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, I changed it to horde for 0 or 2`
`20:57.03`	`hyperChipmunk`	`since blizz can't make up their mind`
`20:57.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`whenever it's a 'faction' value, it's 0-horde, 1-alliance`
`20:57.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`whenever it's a 'team' value, it's 1-alliance, 2-horde`
`21:01.52`	`ckknight`	`I think it'd be easier to do both 2 and 0 as horde`
`21:01.57`	`ckknight`	`make it redundant`
`21:02.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`~16:56 < hyperChipmunk> yea, I changed it to horde for 0 or 2`
`21:02.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`is that different than that?`
`21:03.10`	`hyperChipmunk`	`btw, I'm in av; I'm gonna stay here until I finish this`
`21:03.14`	`Wobin_`	`how about not 1?`
`21:03.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`grr`
`21:03.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`because the way it is`
`21:03.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it takes either a number or a string`
`21:03.47`	`Wobin_`	`no I mean, to identify the faction just have if '1' then alliance else horde`
`21:03.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`what if the Troggs control something?`
`21:04.12`	`Wobin_`	`Ah, I see =)`
`21:04.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`troggs and kobolds are factions in AV`
`21:04.53`	`Wobin_`	`Is there a time when 2 could be something other than horde?`
`21:05.05`	`ckknight`	`Troggs`
`21:05.18`	`Wobin_`	`Since when referring to faction you have 0 and 1 for horde/alliance`
`21:05.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no`
`21:06.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but you have it map 0, Alliance and FACTION_ALLIANCE to 1`
`21:06.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`er`
`21:06.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`1, Alliance and FACTION_ALLIANCE to 1`
`21:06.23`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`21:06.35`	`ckknight`	`and 0, 2, "Horde", and FACTION_HORDE to 2, right?`
`21:06.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`s/to 1/to "ALLIANCE"`
`21:06.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`doh`
`21:06.48`	`hyperChipmunk`	`STARTING AGAIN!`
`21:06.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx`
`21:06.57`	`Mikma`	ag`: yohoo?
`21:07.03`	`hyperChipmunk`	`1, "Alliance", and FACTION_ALLIANCE ---> "ALLIANCE"`
`21:07.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`anything else ---> "HORDE"`
`21:07.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so when it gets "Trogg"`
`21:07.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`"Trogg" ---> "HORDE"`
`21:07.56`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`21:08.00`	`ckknight`	`alright`
`21:08.04`	`ckknight`	`I'm fine with that`
`21:08.23`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's cuz you're a horde player and think everything should be Horde`
`21:08.30`	`Mikma`	ag`: i got a couple of screenshots from mg2 bug i wan't you to see
`21:08.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`=)`
`21:09.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I changed it to elseif 0, 2, "Horde", or FACTION_HORDE ---> "HORDE"`
`21:09.28`	ag`	`Mikma, ok`
`21:09.36`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and it falls through to grey`
`21:10.19`	`ckknight`	`alright`
`21:10.40`	`ckknight`	`I have other functions do Aliiance or Horde by default`
`21:10.43`	ag`	`Mikma, just upload them somewhere and give me the links`
`21:11.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, but none of the others are harmful that i could find`
`21:11.09`	`Mikma`	ag`: working on it :)
`21:11.11`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`21:11.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like, troggs don't have a score`
`21:11.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`nor a number of players`
`21:11.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`etc.`
`21:11.33`	`ckknight`	`yep`
`21:11.44`	`ckknight`	`anyone else want to be a Trogg?`
`21:11.48`	`ckknight`	`;-)`
`21:11.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hehe`
`21:11.52`	`[MoonWolf]`	`ME`
`21:12.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and I changed the GetHolder to return X, lifted from the string "X Controlled"`
`21:12.41`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`21:12.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so that takes care of that, plus wraps up a bunch of other nice things`
`21:12.58`	`ckknight`	`what about Uncontrolled and Destroyed?`
`21:13.18`	`Mikma`	ag`: http://wow.reaktio.net/mg2/ .. see anything funny in these? :)
`21:13.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`if it's destroyed, you don't do the pattern search, you just return nil`
`21:13.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`well`
`21:13.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`21:14.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and if you do get to the pattern search (not destroyed) and nobody turns out to be controlling it, well then..`
`21:14.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it's the natural fallback value`
`21:14.29`	ag`	`Mikma, well it looks like an aura is missing sometimes`
`21:14.39`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and that way we never have to return nil`
`21:14.48`	`Mikma`	ag`: yeap, and to me it seems like they are missplaced
`21:14.58`	ag`	`misplaced?`
`21:15.04`	`Mikma`	ag`: 10 buffs, 1 debuff (1 space) 3 buffs
`21:15.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`"Uncontrolled" is, I mean`
`21:15.30`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`21:15.36`	ag`	`yep, that isn't really misplaced... Just something missing :P`
`21:15.38`	`Mikma`	ag`: shouldn't it be like: 10 buffs, 3 buffs, 1 debuff
`21:15.48`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it really makes sense; trust me =)`
`21:16.10`	`ckknight`	`alright`
`21:16.23`	`hyperChipmunk`	`w00t`
`21:16.29`	`Mikma`	ag`: you sure? the order they are in looks kinda kinky
`21:16.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Snivvle just took back the Coldtooth mine and it switched over to Kobold =D`
`21:16.39`	ag`	`well it's probably just me who made a fault in the code...`
`21:16.52`	ag`	`it's not meant to look like that`
`21:17.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`my previous versions just ignored trogg- and kobold-held nodes`
`21:17.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`since they're not extremely vital`
`21:17.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but it makes me happy ot be able to handle them now =)`
`21:17.48`	`Mikma`	ag`: http://wow.reaktio.net/mg2/mg2_b1.png this shows it nicely :D
`21:18.05`	ag`	`yeah`
`21:18.21`	ag`	`anyway what version?`
`21:18.23`	`Wobin_`	`Just a note, though, can you put a contrasting colour around the red border of the debuffs?`
`21:18.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`also: I'm having some problems with the table initialization on zone-in. the code looks airtight, but for some reason I sometimes get duplicate nodes in the list, or none at all`
`21:18.39`	`Wobin_`	`Like white or something? Otherwise it can blend into the background`
`21:19.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`think you could take a look and see if there's any reason you'd end up with two nodes with the same name in that table?`
`21:19.24`	`Mikma`	ag`: 64pre
`21:19.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`given we're looping through pois, and pois each have unique names`
`21:19.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I don't see how something could be added twice, unless there's maybe a bug in compost`
`21:20.00`	ag`	`Wobin_, me you're asking? Hmm, I guess it would be possible, but it would increase the size on the aura icons..`
`21:20.08`	`Mikma`	ag`: did you have a look of my post on forums, about the little typos and so on
`21:20.14`	ag`	`yeah`
`21:21.01`	`Mikma`	`goodie. nothing else showed up yet than the ones i have informed`
`21:21.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I'm gonna play using non-composted objective table for now and see if that changes things`
`21:22.24`	`Mikma`	`oh, 64pre2`
`21:22.38`	ag`	`What typos btw? I looked at what you wrote, but I can't see exactly what's wrong`
`21:22.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ooooh`
`21:23.05`	`Mikma`	ag`: ok i'll take a screenie
`21:23.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh man`
`21:23.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i see the big flaw`
`21:23.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`we set self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[node] = self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[i] when we create the table, then make changes to one or the other....`
`21:24.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`will those changes propagate?`
`21:25.48`	`Mikma`	ag`: http://wow.reaktio.net/mg2/mg2_tooltip.png
`21:25.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i.e., if I change a value using self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[i].inConflict = true, and then look at self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[node-corresponding-to-i].inConflict, will that be true too?`
`21:26.21`	`Mikma`	ag`: screenshot taken from Party-tab, mouseovering the "Health/Mana text"
`21:26.33`	`ckknight`	`yes, hyperChipmunk`
`21:26.35`	ag`	`ooh`
`21:26.39`	ag`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:26.47`	`Mikma`	`yeah, been there from.. mg1 hehe`
`21:26.47`	`ckknight`	`since self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[i] == self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[node]`
`21:26.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`always`
`21:27.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`not just immediately after it's assigned?`
`21:27.11`	`ckknight`	`wait, what?`
`21:27.35`	ag`	`Mikma, well I just copied most of the strings =)`
`21:27.59`	ag`	`anyway, guess it's bedtime now.. Thanks for reporting the problems!`
`21:27.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ok, say bOS[1].foo is set to "bar"`
`21:28.00`	ag`	`nn`
`21:28.03`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`21:28.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and bOS[a] = bOS[1]`
`21:28.23`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`21:28.23`	`hyperChipmunk`	`now I say bOS[1].foo = "baz"`
`21:28.27`	`Mikma`	ag`: nn
`21:28.30`	`hyperChipmunk`	`what's the value of bOS[a]?`
`21:28.34`	`ckknight`	`assert(bOS[a].foo == "baz")`
`21:28.41`	`hyperChipmunk`	`k`
`21:29.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`also, did you change the patterns around?`
`21:29.11`	`ckknight`	`why wouldn't it be?`
`21:29.15`	`ckknight`	`patterns?`
`21:29.17`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: FuBar's feature to move minimap and playerframes etc down... how hard could it be implementing mg2 frames in it also?`
`21:29.41`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like, I had some patterns, with compensation for "The NODENAME was attacked" and just "NODENAME was attacked"`
`21:29.49`	`ckknight`	`Mikma, hrm`
`21:29.51`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and now they're backwards =P`
`21:30.01`	`ckknight`	`Mikma, you can move the mg2 frames manually, though`
`21:30.13`	`ckknight`	`backwards?`
`21:30.15`	`ckknight`	`um`
`21:30.28`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: yeah but the automove feature would be neat so i wouldn't have to move them by hand everytime :)`
`21:30.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you have to have "The NODENAME" before "^NODENAME"`
`21:30.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`or else it catches "The NODENAME" as the name of the node`
`21:30.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ohhhhhh`
`21:30.45`	`ckknight`	`move it back, then`
`21:30.48`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no, I know what it is`
`21:30.52`	`hyperChipmunk`	`those returns`
`21:31.00`	`hyperChipmunk`	`since we cut out immediately`
`21:31.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I had the correct one second`
`21:31.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so that it would overwrite the first`
`21:31.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`if it caught it`
`21:31.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ok everything's fine =)`
`21:31.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`since we're aborting the scan after the first one, it's not getting to the second`
`21:31.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so ...alright, easy to fix`
`21:34.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and it works now =D`
`21:35.59`	`ckknight`	why don't languages have a `break 2`, to get out of two loops?
`21:36.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hm`
`21:36.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I want to say there's cases where that's ambiguous`
`21:36.54`	`Wobin_`	`I'd probably agree`
`21:36.59`	`Wobin_`	`but I can't think of a sitution offhand`
`21:37.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but I ..yea`
`21:37.54`	`ckknight`	`ambiguous how?`
`21:38.08`	`Wobin_`	`see, that's the problem =)`
`21:38.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hehe`
`21:38.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`this is going to torment me until I think of one`
`21:38.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`thx a lot`
`21:38.29`	`ckknight`	`there isn't logically a situation`
`21:38.57`	`Wobin_`	`probably`
`21:39.53`	`Wobin_`	`You're not loading`
`21:40.29`	`Wobin_`	`ow`
`21:40.37`	`Wobin_`	`fubar, loads up 1428kb`
`21:41.01`	`Wobin_`	`something's gone wrong =(`
`21:41.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`combind?`
`21:41.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`FuBar loads before warmup on my box =\`
`21:42.33`	`Wobin_`	`...`
`21:42.37`	`Wobin_`	`and I can't log out`
`21:42.42`	`Wobin_`	`I'M TRAPPED IN THE GAME`
`21:44.24`	`Neronix`	`:<`
`21:44.30`	`Neronix`	`alt-f4 :P`
`21:45.47`	`ckknight`	`lol, hyperChipmunk`
`21:46.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`what? O_o`
`21:46.16`	`ckknight`	`FuBar loads before warmup`
`21:46.24`	`ckknight`	`I think BabbleLib makes it big`
`21:46.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh =P`
`21:46.28`	`ckknight`	`which doesn't make much sense`
`21:46.33`	`ckknight`	`cause it's lazily loaded...`
`21:47.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`not that i'd ever know`
`21:47.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`cuz (obviously) that loads before WU too =P`
`21:48.43`	`Wobin_`	`hum`
`21:48.52`	`Wobin_`	`And my editbox is all stuffed`
`21:48.56`	`Wobin_`	`I suspect Visor`
`21:50.16`	`Mikma`	`Wobin_: happened to me too couple of days ago :D`
`21:50.41`	`Mikma`	`logout and exit game-buttons didn't work, neither did slashcommands`
`21:54.20`	`Mikma`	`otravi: well, oRA worked for the whole time i was using it after update`
`22:07.32`	kergoth`	`hyper, go add !!warmup to the deps of the first addons that load on your system :P`
`22:08.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ooh, good idea`
`22:08.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`kerg ur so smrt`
`22:09.19`	`ckknight`	kergoth`, this is interesting
`22:09.39`	`ckknight`	`in WoW, if I have functions which create tables, it is no cheaper than declaring the tables to start off with`
`22:10.22`	kergoth`	`hmm, you do a gcinfo() before and after _creating_ the function, not before and after running it, right? :P`
`22:11.21`	`ckknight`	`right`
`22:11.52`	`ckknight`	`I'm using warmup`
`22:12.14`	`ckknight`	`hang on, I'll add proper gcinfos`
`22:12.20`	kergoth`	`hmmm, interesting`
`22:14.05`	kergoth`	`ckknight: what do the tables contain?`
`22:14.17`	`ckknight`	`hang on for a minute`
`22:14.38`	kergoth`	`k`
`22:15.30`	kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:15.34`	kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:15.46`	kergoth`	`Creation of 1000000 tables. 89843.75`
`22:15.49`	kergoth`	`Creation of 1000000 functions that return a table. 19531.25`
`22:16.05`	`ckknight`	`crap, my test was wrong`
`22:16.41`	kergoth`	`now, if its strings, that might be different. it may be allocating the ram for the strings themselves when the compiled lua chunk is executed, not when those lines are hit`
`22:16.57`	kergoth`	`in which case you'd only save the overhead of putting them in the table and such, not anything for hte strings themselves`
`22:18.03`	`ckknight`	`wtf`
`22:18.19`	`ckknight`	`BabbleLib appears to be taking 7k`
`22:18.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`massive`
`22:18.56`	`ckknight`	`why does Warmup say it's taking 1080 KiB`
`22:19.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`rounding error`
`22:19.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`>8x`
`22:22.02`	`ckknight`	`I put DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(format("%d, %d", gcinfo())) at the beginning and end of BabbleLib.lua`
`22:22.16`	`ckknight`	`I got 10011, 11088`
`22:22.25`	kergoth`	`ckknight: link me to the source of that .lua`
`22:22.29`	`ckknight`	`and 10018, 11088`
`22:22.46`	`ckknight`	`that is a 7k difference, right?`
`22:23.05`	`ckknight`	`or is WoW loading the file outright causing the bloat?`
`22:23.18`	`ckknight`	`cause that's 268 KiB`
`22:23.52`	kergoth`	`ckknight: the vast majority of that file are string _constants_`
`22:23.58`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`22:24.00`	kergoth`	`those arent defined during the line by line execution of the file`
`22:24.05`	`ckknight`	`ah`
`22:24.29`	`ckknight`	`which means it's also loading the deDE, frFR, and zhCN constants needlessly`
`22:24.39`	kergoth`	`unlike foo = {}, bar = "" doesnt allocate anything, it references the constant containing ""`
`22:25.09`	`ckknight`	`is there any way at all I can make it not load certain constants?`
`22:25.13`	kergoth`	`yeah, but i dont see any way to avoid that, unless you make them seperate dynamically loaded addons or something :P`
`22:25.20`	`ckknight`	`e.g. "Hexenmeister" would never be used on an English client`
`22:25.22`	kergoth`	`which would add overhead thatd blow away teh benefit`
`22:25.31`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`22:25.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`lol "Hexenmeister" is always your sample non-english word`
`22:25.53`	`ckknight`	`cause it's such an awesome word`
`22:25.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`=D`
`22:25.59`	`ckknight`	`you can't deny it`
`22:26.01`	`ckknight`	`it has an x`
`22:26.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no, I'd do the same`
`22:26.05`	`ckknight`	`it has meister`
`22:26.13`	`ckknight`	`what do you expect from me? I am but one man`
`22:27.29`	`ckknight`	`it'd be cool if you could do like BabbleLib-$locale$.lua in the toc`
`22:27.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I think i'm about done with glorylib, except for the crazy table thing that's totally beyond my comprehension`
`22:28.08`	`ckknight`	`what thing?`
`22:28.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like, sometimes when it runs the battlefield objective table initialization`
`22:28.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`on zone in, mostly`
`22:28.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it puts weird values in`
`22:29.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like, node names appear multiple times`
`22:29.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`or not at all`
`22:29.41`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but that's just impossible, because we're looping through the pois to assign the fields, and no more than one poi has a certain description`
`22:29.53`	`ckknight`	`I'm fed up with my guild`
`22:29.59`	`ckknight`	`I need to go somewhere else :-P`
`22:30.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`usually reloading fixes it`
`22:30.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but sometimes reloading just empties it completely, never to return =P`
`22:30.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I'm trying it without compost`
`22:30.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`haven't gotten to a place where it commonly bzorks yet`
`22:31.32`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but once I get to one, we'll have to decide what to do from there`
`22:32.09`	`Cairenn`	`hey hyperChipmunk?`
`22:32.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yes'm?`
`22:32.23`	`Cairenn`	`you ready for me to move that back out yet?`
`22:32.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`not quite =)`
`22:32.35`	`Cairenn`	`k, just let me know :)`
`22:32.36`	`hyperChipmunk`	`almost-maybe ;)`
`22:32.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but not quite`
`22:32.49`	`Cairenn`	`was just letting you know that I"m around now, for when you are ready`
`22:32.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`great, thanks`
`22:33.31`	`ckknight`	`I'm gonna add slash commands to the libraries`
`22:40.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`"if a then if b or c or d then...end end" is the same as "if a or b or c or d then...end", correct?`
`22:40.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`er`
`22:40.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`grr`
`22:40.48`	`ckknight`	`no`
`22:40.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`"if a then if b or c or d then...end end" is the same as "if a and b or c or d then...end", correct?`
`22:40.58`	`ckknight`	`no`
`22:41.12`	`ckknight`	`it's if a and (b or c or d) then ... end`
`22:41.32`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the second will fail if a is false before it evaluates b,c,d though, no?`
`22:41.51`	kergoth`	`ckknight: it looks like constants get stored in the prototype of the compiled -function-. so as long as you have your constants in a function the way you do in glorylib, the non-english strings shouldnt be taking up any ram. as a test, compare the current setup vs a file that contains only the function for english and see what the diff in ram usage is after the load`
`22:44.14`	`ckknight`	kergoth`, without those, it's 448
`22:44.25`	`ckknight`	`compared to 1080`
`22:44.32`	`ckknight`	`but that doesn't have the strings anywhere, then`
`22:44.34`	`ckknight`	`no functions either`
`22:44.49`	kergoth`	`well, those functions dont get defined unless those blocks are entered`
`22:44.50`	`ckknight`	`and I'm talking about BabbleLib, not GloryLib`
`22:44.56`	`ckknight`	`yea, I know`
`22:45.16`	`ckknight`	`maybe WoW does it differently`
`22:45.30`	`ckknight`	`idea:`
`22:45.37`	`ckknight`	`RunScript/`
`22:45.38`	`ckknight`	`?`
`22:45.40`	`ckknight`	`wait, no`
`22:45.44`	`ckknight`	`that makes a giant string as well`
`22:47.40`	`ckknight`	`blast`
`22:47.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`confound it!`
`22:47.56`	`ckknight`	`hrm?`
`22:48.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`seems like an appropriate thing to say with 'blast!'`
`22:48.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`got caught up in the moment, sorry`
`22:49.11`	kergoth`	`ckknight, i just tested loading a file containing an if statement like yours, but which defines a global table in each instead of a function, to see how it behaves with the constants outside a function`
`22:49.24`	`Neronix`	`otravi: is ouf supposed to be working at the moment?`
`22:49.26`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`22:49.32`	kergoth`	`tested after loading, after executing the hunk (actually running the code), then after a gc pass after that`
`22:49.45`	kergoth`	`then i compared that against one that defines teh same global table, but in functions`
`22:50.22`	kergoth`	`tables (load, execution, post-gc, all relative to the ram pre-load): 37.7, 41.2, 14.26`
`22:50.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`he thus did reach the conclusion that he is indeed a total nerd`
`22:50.35`	kergoth`	`functions (load, execution, post-gc, all relative to the ram pre-load): 54.1, 54.2, 5.85`
`22:50.38`	kergoth`	`interesting, no?`
`22:50.59`	kergoth`	`hmm`
`22:52.48`	kergoth`	`and a version with just one of the two functions in the file: 50.4, 50.48, 2.94`
`22:54.35`	kergoth`	`the first two sets of numbers make one think that putting the constants into functions means that they wont cause a ram impact if that function isnt defined`
`22:54.42`	kergoth`	`but the third implies that there is still an impact`
`22:57.06`	`clad\|work`	`lol you're ridiculous =)`
`22:57.36`	`cladhaire`	kergoth`: Why don't you just compile it to opcodes, and see if the constants are defined when the function isn't defined?
`23:04.15`	kergoth`	`hm?`
`23:04.37`	kergoth`	`constant definition isnt an opcode`
`23:05.11`	kergoth`	`do a luac -l -p on a file that defines a function that has a string inside it, and compare agaisnt one that doesnt. the # of constants is shown for each function and for the file itself`
`23:06.12`	kergoth`	`regardless, its clear that referencing a string, whether its actually used or not, results in a permanent increase in ram. lua must be internalizing all the constants referenced in a file when it gets compiled and run, regardless of whether those functions are ever actually executed.`
`23:06.29`	kergoth`	`s/all the constants/all the strings/`
`23:07.52`	`cladhaire`	`hrm`
`23:07.53`	`cladhaire`	`lemme look`
`23:08.55`	kergoth`	`there we are`
`23:09.21`	kergoth`	`http://ace.pastebin.com/670345`
`23:09.37`	kergoth`	`each function...end expression creates a closure with a _reference_ to the function's prototype`
`23:09.50`	kergoth`	`the prototype exists independent of the creation of the closures`
`23:10.01`	kergoth`	`lua must be internalizing the strings _when it creates the prototype_`
`23:10.06`	kergoth`	`which would make sense`
`23:10.25`	`*** join/#wowace Parak (n=profi@user-0cev737.cable.mindspring.com)`
`23:10.30`	`cladhaire`	`wellplayed =)`
`23:10.40`	kergoth`	`so to answer ckknight's initial question, yes, having all those strings from all those languages in the .lua does take up ram, whether they actually get used or not`
`23:10.50`	`ckknight`	`grr.`
`23:10.55`	kergoth`	`what you save is not having to keep around a table, and having the overhead for all those elements, for all the languages`
`23:11.02`	kergoth`	`the strings still take up ram`
`23:11.39`	`cladhaire`	`but only one set of strings,right?`
`23:11.58`	`cladhaire`	`(i think you guys were talking about localizatino =)`
`23:12.01`	kergoth`	`well, the internalizing ensures that no string is ever created twice`
`23:14.02`	`cladhaire`	`i know that`
`23:14.14`	kergoth`	`then what was your question?`
`23:14.33`	kergoth`	`loading BabbleLib.lua means that all those strings will take up ram indefinately, including the german ones when i'm running an english cilent`
`23:14.39`	kergoth`	`s/cilent/client/`
`23:15.02`	`cladhaire`	`Even if the definitions are in conditional code based on the locale`
`23:15.11`	kergoth`	`yep`
`23:15.17`	`cladhaire`	`BOO`
`23:15.27`	`cladhaire`	`Then we really should push for some locale stuff in the .toc`
`23:15.29`	kergoth`	`because they get internalized when it created the prototype for the function (the file itself ends up compiled into a function as well)`
`23:16.26`	kergoth`	`i wonder how much ram in total is being used up in an average user's wow due to strings of other languages`
`23:16.59`	kergoth`	`ckknight's test showed that it was consuming like 500K of additional ram in his case.. am i remembering that figure correctly?`
`23:16.59`	`cladhaire`	`well, considering it gets swapped out-- it doesn't really matter`
`23:17.07`	kergoth`	`swapped out?`
`23:17.11`	`ckknight`	right, kergoth`
`23:17.29`	`cladhaire`	kergoth`: Yeah.. if the strings aren't being used they will be paged out-- just by the OS
`23:18.05`	`cladhaire`	`so the footprint of WoW is up there, but its not something thats resident.. just annoying.`
`23:18.15`	kergoth`	`that depends a great deal on lua's implementation`
`23:18.30`	`cladhaire`	`nod But I cwould like to assume they didn't leave the lua space always resident.`
`23:18.32`	`cladhaire`	`that would be sad`
`23:18.37`	`cladhaire`	`but is possible.`
`23:18.49`	kergoth`	`if the strings are contiguous in its internalized store, sure. if not, the strings are likely too small to take up a page by themselves, so that page could be accessed for the other strings there...`
`23:18.51`	kergoth`	`it just depends`
`23:19.02`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`23:19.09`	`*** mode/#wowace [+r] by Cairenn`
`23:19.09`	`cladhaire`	`it would be nice to get conditional loading of localizatino files.`
`23:19.34`	kergoth`	`whats the page size in windows? 4K or so i'd expect`
`23:19.43`	kergoth`	`bleh`
`23:19.51`	kergoth`	`memory management is a weak area for me`
`23:19.54`	kergoth`	`need to fix ithat`
`23:20.33`	`cladhaire`	`MM is a PITA`
`23:20.38`	`cladhaire`	`but good to know abhout`
`23:23.47`	`cladhaire`	kergoth`: Do they get GC'd ever, if they're not executed?
`23:24.39`	kergoth`	`the strings themselves arent under GC control afaik, though the references to them might be`
`23:26.30`	`cladhaire`	`(7:24:48 PM) Iriel: Yes, they are`
`23:26.30`	`cladhaire`	`(7:25:01 PM) Iriel: If they weren't none of our embeddable releases would actually have released anything`
`23:26.30`	`cladhaire`	`(7:25:10 PM) Iriel: But prototypes are collectable objects, as are closures`
`23:26.30`	`cladhaire`	`(7:25:51 PM) cladhaire: Ok.`
`23:26.30`	`cladhaire`	`(7:25:52 PM) Iriel: The following things appear in the lua 'freeobj' function:`
`23:26.31`	`cladhaire`	`(7:26:05 PM) Iriel: Prototypes, Functions(AKA Closures), Upvalues, Tables, Threads, Strings, and Userdata`
`23:27.39`	kergoth`	`well my testing here still shows an impact of having the strings in the file post-gc, whether they'er ever used or not`
`23:27.47`	kergoth`	`so i dunno`
`23:28.17`	kergoth`	`prototypes being freed isnt the issue here, its the strings themselves`
`23:28.23`	kergoth`	`we knew prototypes were collected`
`23:28.28`	`cladhaire`	`we were somewhat concerned with the impact of the embedded libraries.`
`23:28.29`	kergoth`	`strings get internalized`
`23:28.31`	`cladhaire`	`along with localization.`
`23:29.01`	kergoth`	`and its internalization clearly has a permanent impact, though i'm not sure how large an impact that is`
`23:29.13`	kergoth`	`afaict anyway`
`23:29.30`	`cladhaire`	`can you post what you're testing with?`
`23:29.31`	`cladhaire`	`so i can play?`
`23:29.51`	`ckknight`	`BabbleLib?`
`23:30.06`	`ckknight`	`http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/BabbleLib/`
`23:30.37`	`cladhaire`	`well its not just babblelib itself, its the testing method.`
`23:32.31`	kergoth`	`i have a file that does: local function bar() end local f = "foo"`
`23:32.38`	kergoth`	`then another that just does the local function bar() end`
`23:32.53`	kergoth`	`i tested loading the oen with just the function, then the one with the function and string, then the one with just the function again`
`23:33.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ok, I have a question, and before I ask it, i need you guys to promise me you won't cry?`
`23:33.12`	`Cairenn`	`uh oh`
`23:34.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`here's the deal; i'd LIKE to be able to put into GloryLib a function that returns how many battlefields of each kind are up in your bracket`
`23:34.20`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`23:34.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`now, the only way to get that seems to be this:`
`23:36.21`	kergoth`	`ah, whew, thats a relief, i was wrong, problem in the testing methodology. it looks right now`
`23:36.32`	`*** mode/#wowace [+R] by Cairenn`
`23:36.32`	`hyperChipmunk`	`when a battlefield selection frame is up (like the one where you sign up for a match), you can call GetBattlefieldInstanceInfo(n) and it will return the instance number of that battlefield in the nth position on the list; if there is no nth position, then it returns nothing`
`23:37.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`now, I don't want to be opening the battlefield selection frame, or changing the one the user has open, to get this value`
`23:37.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`cuz that's just stupid`
`23:38.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and there doesn't seem any other way to get at the info`
`23:38.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`only way is to open the window and count how many indexes return non-nil`
`23:38.42`	kergoth`	`Cairenn: +R means you cant join the channel if you arent registered with nickserv`
`23:38.48`	kergoth`	`Cairenn: fyi`
`23:38.56`	`Cairenn`	`no, it means you can't talk in the channel`
`23:38.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the window is pretty sluggish in the first place, so it's not really well suited anyways for getting values out of`
`23:39.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no, it means ...yea`
`23:39.24`	`Cairenn`	`stuck it on because of the lilo message`
`23:39.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`is there any tricks people use in these circumstances? I think tradeskills work in a similar manner`
`23:39.43`	kergoth`	`well the effect is the same. i dont see any reason to set +R unless you start getting spammed by that guy`
`23:39.58`	kergoth`	`for a support channel, +R is awfully restrictive`
`23:40.06`	`*** mode/#wowace [-R] by Cairenn`
`23:40.09`	`Cairenn`	`okay?`
`23:40.33`	kergoth`	`the guy was spamming #vim earlier`
`23:40.44`	kergoth`	`they keep kickbanning him, since they dont want to +R`
`23:40.47`	kergoth`	`hehe`
`23:41.33`	kergoth`	`cladhaire: if you didnt notice, lua 5.1's collectgarbage('count') is more accurate than gcinfo() is. it gives the fractional amount as well, not just integer. not sure how accurate it actually is, but..`
`23:42.44`	`CIA-13`	`ckknight * r416 TouristLib/TouristLib.lua: TouristLib - Added /tourist and /touristlib slash commands.`
`23:43.13`	`CIA-13`	`ckknight * r417 BabbleLib/BabbleLib.lua: BabbleLib - added /babble and /babblelib slash commands`
`23:43.23`	`ckknight`	`I need to make it hug perl next time`
`23:43.34`	`ckknight`	`purl*`
`23:43.55`	`cladhaire`	kergoth`: I still don't think we have an issue.
`23:44.00`	`cladhaire`	kergoth`: Just ran some tests with babble.
`23:44.12`	`cladhaire`	`One with the code commented, and one using the locale logic.`
`23:44.15`	`cladhaire`	`I get the same result`
`23:47.01`	`Tem\|Food`	`cladhaire:`
`23:47.06`	`Tem\|Food`	`perfect raid`
`23:47.08`	`Tem\|Food`	`now`
`23:47.12`	`Tem\|Food`	`get working`
`23:47.19`	kergoth`	<kergoth`> ah, whew, thats a relief, i was wrong, problem in the testing methodology. it looks right now
`23:47.29`	`ckknight`	`?`
`23:47.58`	`ckknight`	`so did you find a way to make it less memory intensive?`
`23:47.59`	`cladhaire`	`Tem\|Food: I'll get right on it =)`
`23:47.59`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`23:48.00`	kergoth`	`was wrong in my belief that strings stuck around internalized after all prototypes that reference them have been freed`
`23:48.05`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: What you have is the best`
`23:48.10`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`23:48.18`	`ckknight`	`but warmup makes it look bad`
`23:48.45`	kergoth`	`does warmup force a gc cycle after each addon loads? if not, it isnt a good measure`
`23:48.53`	kergoth`	`they'll all look bigger than they actually are`
`23:48.55`	`ckknight`	`guess not`
`23:48.59`	kergoth`	`or rather, its a good measure to compare them to one another`
`23:49.11`	kergoth`	`but not as an independent measure`
`23:49.25`	kergoth`	`foo`
`23:49.28`	`ckknight`	`I wonder if I forced a GC when babblelib gets initialized...`
`23:49.34`	`cladhaire`	`You can't.`
`23:49.39`	`ckknight`	`:-P
`23:49.40`	`ckknight`	`why not?`
`23:49.43`	`CIA-13`	`neronix * r418 AHProtectWin/AHProtectWin.toc: AHProtectWin - Forgot to add \|cff007FFF -Ace-\|r to the TOC >.>`
`23:49.44`	`cladhaire`	`And it doesn't matter`
`23:49.50`	`ckknight`	`I know, I won't`
`23:49.52`	`cladhaire`	`You can't GC from within the same chunk that you want to GC away =)`
`23:49.59`	Neronix`sleep	`night`
`23:49.59`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: 278556`
`23:50.05`	`cladhaire`	`that's using your locale logic`
`23:50.08`	`ckknight`	`if you register with ADDON_LOADED, you can`
`23:50.12`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`23:50.15`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: 262525`
`23:50.22`	`cladhaire`	`That's using comments to make the ced not exist at all`
`23:50.28`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`23:50.36`	`ckknight`	`ah, it's good by my book`
`23:50.38`	`cladhaire`	`not very accurate`
`23:50.44`	`cladhaire`	`cause i commented more in the second, etc.`
`23:50.44`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`23:52.09`	`ckknight`	`I reported someone for bragging about buying gold, and apparently Bliz is "taking the appropriate actions" now`
`23:52.41`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`23:52.48`	`ckknight`	`good times`
`23:55.33`	`ckknight`	`okay, I want to start a new char on a new server, fresh start et al. What should I be?`
`23:57.37`	`cladhaire`	`Druid`
`23:57.42`	`cladhaire`	`definitely =)`
`23:57.53`	`cladhaire`	`i dont think ive ever rolled on a server where there were too many druids.`
`23:58.00`	`cladhaire`	`so you're in high demand =)`
`23:58.47`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`23:58.51`	`ckknight`	`I normally play Horde`
`23:59.01`	`ckknight`	`s Alliance fun or not worth the trouble?`
`23:59.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ckknight: if you're scrolled down in the tooltip, and it suddenly shrinks to non-scroll size, you get a tooltip that says nothing but "scroll up"; when you scroll up, it fixes itself, but still...`
`23:59.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`come play alliance on Feathermoon`
`23:59.24`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`23:59.25`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: Be careful, especially if you're concerned about PVP`
`23:59.38`	`cladhaire`	`horde has been getting more in hopes of short queues.`
`23:59.46`	`cladhaire`	`and then the alliance ends up being out numbered.`
`23:59.54`	`ckknight`	`hrm`

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