| 00:01.57 | ckknight | Industrial, iterate through em once and set a field |
| 00:02.00 | ckknight | simple enough |
| 00:02.17 | ckknight | idChatActionButton1.id = 1 |
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| 00:12.38 | Industrial | ckknight: nice |
| 00:13.07 | ckknight | for i = 1,36 do getglobal("idChatActionButton" .. i).id = i end |
| 00:13.57 | Industrial | yah |
| 00:16.39 | Makk | does gatherer use much memory, and does it reduce framerate? |
| 00:19.56 | Industrial | >_o |
| 00:19.57 | steino | 2sec |
| 00:20.08 | steino | http://www.nordlan.org/~steino/1-60 |
| 00:20.21 | steino | leveled 43-56 in 1 1\2 week :) |
| 00:21.07 | Industrial | gud :D |
| 00:21.44 | Industrial | *to stonetalon mountains* |
| 00:24.34 | ckknight | yea, I checked that out |
| 00:24.43 | ckknight | pretty cool stuff |
| 00:36.08 | snurre- | hm, are there any decent ace addons that does the same as EngInventory? |
| 00:36.45 | ckknight | PlowKing? |
| 00:39.57 | snurre- | hm |
| 00:42.01 | haste | Isn't plowking VERY VERY VERY work in progres? |
| 00:42.12 | haste | s/es/ess/ |
| 00:50.04 | ckknight | your mom's a work in progress |
| 00:50.15 | ckknight | bam. |
| 00:50.18 | snurre- | yeah, I'm working here.. all night long.. |
| 00:50.29 | snurre- | s/here/her |
| 00:50.53 | snurre- | *yawn* |
| 00:50.55 | snurre- | im bored |
| 00:50.59 | snurre- | need a new game i think |
| 00:58.19 | Industrial | haste, steino: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/anime |
| 00:59.08 | haste | I don't see excel saga on that list! |
| 00:59.19 | haste | same with Air Gear ;D |
| 01:00.09 | Industrial | good :P *add* |
| 01:12.43 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2313 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/TopScoreFu.lua: FuBar_TopScoreFu - changed splash width from 512 to GetScreenWidth() |
| 01:20.01 | snurre- | meh, wtb faster connection :( |
| 01:20.13 | snurre- | dl'ing Rise of Nations at 12kb/sec sucks |
| 01:20.41 | snurre- | Rise of Legends i mean |
| 01:22.06 | ckknight | Industrial, you have idAutoAttack? |
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| 01:34.00 | Amadeo- | Squeenix is strange! The buttons move around as if it were still round! |
| 01:44.41 | haste | maybe... 'cause the buttons still use the same function to calc the position? |
| 01:44.47 | haste | which is based on the round minimap :D |
| 01:48.03 | ckknight | Amadeo-, there's no good way to tell whether a minimap is square or round |
| 01:48.25 | ckknight | programmatically |
| 01:49.06 | ckknight | I think I'll code in some stuff into FuBarPlugin-1.2 to check for the major addons, e.g. SquareMinimap, Squeenix |
| 01:49.50 | ckknight | if they're available and enabled and loaded, then it'll assume the minimap is square |
| 01:51.55 | Amadeo- | :D |
| 01:52.50 | ckknight | granted, it'll only work for FuBar plugins |
| 01:52.58 | Amadeo- | hehe, yeah |
| 02:28.34 | haste | http://dat.4chan.org/b/src/1149387424952.jpg :D |
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| 02:42.16 | downforce | Found it! |
| 02:42.49 | ckknight | yay |
| 02:45.54 | Amadeo- | brb |
| 02:48.20 | downforce | I've decided to pull out some addons I strart many many moons ago and see if I can finally figure this LUA thing out |
| 02:51.02 | kergoth`bbl | anyone remember where the reagent vendor is in orgrimmar? |
| 03:04.35 | Cairenn | kergoth: end of The Drag closest to Valley of Wisdom, iirc |
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| 03:28.48 | Industrial | the birds |
| 03:28.51 | Industrial | argh |
| 03:28.57 | Industrial | nn |
| 03:37.25 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 03:37.38 | Codayus | Durability_Fu is compalainging about Crayon... |
| 03:41.37 | ckknight | hrm |
| 03:41.48 | ckknight | what's it say? |
| 03:41.59 | ckknight | oh, got it |
| 03:43.00 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2314 10FuBar_DurabilityFu/DurabilityFu.lua: DurabilityFu - fixed Crayon typo. |
| 03:43.14 | Codayus | Capitalization issue, but I guess you worked that out. |
| 03:44.16 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:44.43 | Codayus | Sorry, took me a couple minutes to work out the problem. :-) |
| 03:46.13 | ckknight | I changed it so my plugins no longer use FuBarUtils |
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| 04:00.28 | sedatedChipmunk | wobin smells |
| 04:00.54 | sedatedChipmunk | 'sup guys |
| 04:01.47 | Codayus | ckknight: My fubar bars aren't extending fully across the screen... |
| 04:01.51 | Codayus | Um...thoughts? oO |
| 04:03.19 | Codayus | Is there an option I'm missing? |
| 04:04.08 | Tekkub | bleh, I don't like how Handol added that crap to BigWigs (I don't like his code, not the fact that he added features people asked for).... |
| 04:04.21 | Codayus | Yeah, my fubar bars are significantly shorter than they should be. |
| 04:04.26 | Tekkub | now I gotta clean that up when I rework the anchors |
| 04:04.32 | Codayus | Tekkub: :-( |
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| 04:05.03 | kergoth | Codayus, you can just grab the edges and stretch them :P |
| 04:05.05 | Tekkub | I won't complain really... he's kinda forced me to actually do what I wanted to do in the first place |
| 04:05.22 | Tekkub | besides, I want to split the core out into a few more files anyway |
| 04:05.29 | Codayus | kergoth: Oh! |
| 04:05.34 | Codayus | Heh, never thought to try that. |
| 04:05.40 | Tekkub | and get options added (so that you can disable certain warnings) |
| 04:06.00 | Tekkub | yea or you can attach to top/bottom cod |
| 04:06.07 | Tekkub | then it'll fit exactly |
| 04:06.25 | Codayus | Tekkub: Oddly...no. |
| 04:06.34 | Tekkub | really? |
| 04:06.41 | Tekkub | you fail at screen width |
| 04:06.51 | Codayus | It always has BEFORE... |
| 04:07.00 | Tekkub | anywho, time to go play with the litter box... lucky me |
| 04:07.12 | Codayus | And they've always been attached to the top. All of a sudden, that stopped, and detaching and reattaching didn't fix. |
| 04:08.16 | Tekkub | oh hey kergoff |
| 04:08.24 | Tekkub | one thing for your smart targetter |
| 04:08.40 | kergoth | whats that? |
| 04:08.43 | Tekkub | targetting the mob that's targetted by the most people |
| 04:08.47 | Tekkub | :) |
| 04:08.56 | kergoth | ah, thatd be useful |
| 04:09.03 | Tekkub | yarr |
| 04:09.17 | Tekkub | I don't give a fuck about tank in my raids anymore |
| 04:09.26 | Tekkub | I just target what everyone's targetting |
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| 04:24.01 | Tekkub | wheee! |
| 04:24.04 | Tekkub | stupid work at 9am |
| 04:28.01 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r2315 10BigWigs/ (BigWigs.toc Sound.lua msg.wav): BigWigs - Added sound module. This uses the raidwarning sound from patch 1.11. If you don't like it replace msg.wav with a sound you do like. If you don't want sound at all then just delete Sound.lua |
| 04:30.39 | ckknight | Codayus, grab an edge, drag. |
| 04:30.51 | Tekkub | ckkslow |
| 04:30.58 | Tekkub | slowckken |
| 04:31.04 | ckknight | ? |
| 04:31.07 | ckknight | I was eating |
| 04:31.14 | Tekkub | I refer to slouken as slow ken |
| 04:31.19 | Tekkub | I don't know why... |
| 04:31.28 | Tekkub | so I was making a joke at your expense |
| 04:31.34 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 04:31.43 | Tekkub | yea yea shut up I'll go to bed now |
| 04:33.32 | ckknight | my middle name is Kenneth |
| 04:33.45 | Tekkub | so slow ken applies, cool |
| 04:34.15 | Tekkub | I dub thee slow ckkken |
| 04:34.25 | ckknight | ... |
| 04:34.27 | Tekkub | or simply slow chicken |
| 04:34.35 | ckknight | I have a cat on my bed |
| 04:34.38 | ckknight | she looks sleepy |
| 04:34.51 | Tekkub | I have a cat christening the new litter |
| 04:35.04 | Tekkub | he loves to tell me all about how he just took a shit... |
| 04:35.11 | Tekkub | not unlike my husband... |
| 04:35.19 | Tekkub | *sigh* simple minds |
| 04:39.01 | kergoth | this soda tastes like coconut and vanilla |
| 04:39.05 | kergoth | so weird to taste that in liquid form |
| 04:39.23 | ckknight | I've drank a coconut |
| 04:39.46 | kergoth | by far the weirdest soda i've tasted though was one that tastes exactly like homemade apple pie |
| 04:39.47 | Tekkub | how are you used to that flavor? |
| 04:39.51 | kergoth | just weird |
| 04:39.56 | Tekkub | bread form? |
| 04:40.03 | Tekkub | tofu form? |
| 04:40.12 | Tekkub | don't tell me, ice cream! |
| 04:40.22 | kergoth | i normally taste coconut in coconut form, often inside a candy bar :) |
| 04:42.01 | Tekkub | okey I guess I'll accept that answer |
| 04:42.07 | Tekkub | bed now for reals, later! |
| 04:50.16 | kergoth | i wish guildfu would stop mysteriously attaching itself to my minimap |
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| 08:45.04 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 08:45.06 | MoonWolf | in vista |
| 08:45.09 | MoonWolf | the old windows games |
| 08:45.11 | MoonWolf | were revamped |
| 09:00.50 | ckknight__ | ? |
| 09:01.50 | MoonWolf | new features, look better |
| 09:02.05 | MoonWolf | you can save your cardgame states. |
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| 09:30.24 | Shyva | Morning :-) |
| 09:56.29 | MoonWolf | morning |
| 09:57.26 | Elkano | morning :) |
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| 10:15.02 | maia | tekkub, you there? |
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| 10:17.26 | maia | does anyone know what assert() does exactly? |
| 10:20.20 | MoonWolf | assert stops execution if a statment does not evalutae as true |
| 10:20.59 | maia | so assert(unitid, "no unitid") equals if not unitid then print("no unitid") return end? |
| 10:22.04 | MoonWolf | http://www.lua.org/pil/8.3.html |
| 10:22.06 | MoonWolf | read that |
| 10:22.57 | maia | oh, it's a part of lua. thought it's a part of the wowapi. thx. |
| 10:23.36 | MoonWolf | np |
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| 11:43.58 | ckknight | this is kinda neat: http://vs.ytmnsfw.com/ |
| 11:48.03 | Industrial | morning |
| 11:48.29 | Industrial | something wrong with the login server :( |
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| 12:06.34 | phyber | hmm. I think I'm going to have to use an OnUpdate for something. maybe Metrognome can help me :) |
| 12:07.09 | phyber | I need to place an invisible frame over the CharacterModelFrame so that you can drag it about to rotate your character, like on the char select screen. |
| 12:07.18 | phyber | but I need the position updating as I'm dragging it. |
| 12:08.05 | CIA-17 | 03otravi * r2316 10oRA/oRA_CoreLocals.lua: oRA - Changed the CTRA version to 1.536. |
| 12:10.26 | Neronix | phyber: a 0.1s interval might be ok |
| 12:11.37 | phyber | yeah. |
| 12:12.15 | phyber | someone requested this as a feature for Fizzle, but I'm going to make it as a separate addon. |
| 12:15.51 | haste | why was that requested for fizzle :p ? |
| 12:16.45 | Mikma | phyber: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-3193-1-superinspect.html |
| 12:25.32 | phyber | Mikma: yeah, SuperInspect is what made my realise I needed an invisible frame to move about :) |
| 12:26.07 | Mikma | phyber: so the mod's code itself can't help you doing it? |
| 12:26.54 | Industrial | haste: did you put oUF on the svn yet? :O |
| 12:26.59 | haste | nope |
| 12:27.06 | Industrial | aww :> |
| 12:27.12 | Neronix | :'( |
| 12:27.15 | Neronix | /whip haste |
| 12:27.24 | haste | Thart hurts :'---( |
| 12:27.25 | Mikma | i realized watchdog 1.2x doesn't have pvp flags :/ |
| 12:27.33 | Mikma | ~whaleslap haste |
| 12:27.48 | haste | I know that oUF2 doesn't have PvP flags :D |
| 12:28.02 | Mikma | boo! :P |
| 12:28.02 | Industrial | ;p |
| 12:28.14 | haste | what would you need it for? |
| 12:28.42 | Mikma | just a backup to see if the person is flagged (in case i can't see him) |
| 12:29.09 | haste | I play on a PvP server, so... you can write that part. :D |
| 12:29.22 | Mikma | i play on PvE :P |
| 12:29.34 | haste | I have no idea how it is on a PvE server |
| 12:29.39 | Industrial | same thing |
| 12:29.43 | haste | but I guess people aren't PvP tagged |
| 12:29.46 | haste | +all the time |
| 12:29.47 | Mikma | it's just a slash command |
| 12:29.52 | Mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.05 | Mikma | then you are flagged until you do it again |
| 12:30.12 | Industrial | you get flagged in stonetalon mountains haste |
| 12:30.21 | haste | Industrial: umh? and? |
| 12:30.38 | Mikma | on PvE you don't get flagged when you go to contested territory |
| 12:30.47 | haste | I guessed that :D |
| 12:30.48 | Industrial | i just got a flag... |
| 12:31.09 | Mikma | then you hit the guards on the way |
| 12:31.30 | Industrial | nay |
| 12:31.31 | Mikma | unless your horde |
| 12:31.36 | Industrial | yep |
| 12:31.52 | haste | *confused* |
| 12:32.45 | Industrial | me too |
| 12:32.45 | Industrial | ;P |
| 12:35.19 | Neronix | On PvE, you only get flagged if you attack another PC who is flagged, attack an npc of the opposing faction or walk into an opposing faction capital |
| 12:35.39 | Neronix | and it turns off 5 minutes after the last pvp-related action |
| 12:35.57 | Neronix | unless you did /pvp, then it turns off after you do /pvp again |
| 12:36.23 | Mikma | (5mins on that) |
| 12:36.33 | Neronix | yeah |
| 12:36.58 | Neronix | And if you want us to write that part, then put it on the svn :P |
| 12:37.25 | Mikma | :D |
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| 13:14.27 | Mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHJVolaC8pw |
| 13:17.00 | Mikma | ok i may be an asshole too but i laughed on that video |
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| 13:40.17 | Tekkub | good god I used to be on that server |
| 13:40.19 | Tekkub | I hate them |
| 13:40.28 | Mikma | :D |
| 13:40.29 | Tekkub | and I only watched 15 secs of that |
| 13:40.31 | Tekkub | .... |
| 13:40.32 | Tekkub | :P |
| 13:40.38 | Tekkub | anywho, work.. ugh... |
| 13:40.48 | Tekkub | link me that later I'll watch the whole thing |
| 13:41.17 | Neronix | I always used to hear about the drama on that server when I played on the US servers (And NOT on Illidan) |
| 13:41.25 | Neronix | Is DIE still around? |
| 13:41.47 | Tekkub | *shudder* probably |
| 13:42.00 | Neronix | Dear God :O |
| 13:42.03 | Tekkub | and yes, it's the most dramaful server I've seen |
| 13:50.28 | Industrial | old video |
| 13:50.33 | Industrial | but damn people are stupid |
| 13:50.34 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:54.25 | Industrial | illidrama.com |
| 14:15.48 | maia | Tekkub: I'm about to upload Squishy with ProximityLib support. It seems to be working properly, but maybe you'd want to take a look at it. |
| 14:19.08 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2317 10Squishy/core.lua: Squishy: replaced range check logic by ProximityLib, not completely tested yet. |
| 15:03.54 | Mikma | haste: svn oUF2? ;) |
| 15:06.35 | haste | didn't I say I will do it later? |
| 15:06.42 | haste | I also need to fix my svn client :p |
| 15:06.54 | haste | it didn't like the latest version of libneon |
| 15:17.40 | Wobin | arararararar |
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| 15:17.48 | Wobin | Why is my addon suddenly -not- initializing? |
| 15:18.15 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.57 | Wobin | it's throwing an error halfway -through- initialization... |
| 15:21.07 | Wobin | but it shouldn't throw that error if it gets to that point |
| 15:21.48 | Wobin | oh hang on |
| 15:21.57 | Wobin | Maybe something to do with the savedvariables loading... |
| 15:22.01 | Wobin | =\ |
| 15:22.55 | Wobin | well it can't be =( nothing is saved yet |
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| 15:25.14 | Kaelten | hows it going guys? |
| 15:25.34 | Wobin | grump =( |
| 15:25.40 | Wobin | PlowKing is suddenly not loading |
| 15:25.49 | Wobin | It's most distressing =P |
| 15:26.16 | groll | haste you around? |
| 15:27.56 | Mikma | Wobin: error in XML |
| 15:28.14 | Wobin | PK only uses dynamic frames |
| 15:28.50 | Wobin | hm |
| 15:29.02 | Wobin | okay, Initialize runs after the file has loaded |
| 15:29.24 | Wobin | I can't figure out why a line would suddenly stop working when it worked before |
| 15:30.31 | Mikma | maybe you made a typo somewhere |
| 15:30.52 | Mikma | usually a small typo in xml was causing my addon not to load :P |
| 15:30.59 | haste | groll: yeh |
| 15:31.41 | groll | haste oops missed ur reply :P but i got a wierd error with ora maintank.. submitted a bug on wowinterface :) |
| 15:36.02 | Wobin | oddly enough it's bugging on : tag:SetFont(PlowKing.k.TabFont, 8) |
| 15:36.15 | Wobin | Where PlowKing.k.TabFont is set in Initialize() |
| 15:36.29 | Wobin | Once I change that line to a valid fontname, it runs fine |
| 15:36.43 | Wobin | And also sets PlowKing.k.TabFont properly too |
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| 15:46.01 | Kaelten | back |
| 15:47.53 | hyperChipmunk | hi kael |
| 15:48.09 | Wobin | wragh |
| 15:48.10 | Suntiger | wb |
| 15:48.15 | Wobin | spontaneous unbugging |
| 15:48.19 | Wobin | I hates that |
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| 15:49.56 | haste | groll: I don't think that issue is generated by oRA_MainTank |
| 15:50.03 | haste | since it only catches the MTs, nothing more :) |
| 15:50.25 | haste | it doesn't contain any xml, or frames at all |
| 15:51.00 | Wobin | What's the issue? |
| 15:51.54 | haste | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=137&a=viewbug&bugid=1328 |
| 15:52.10 | haste | sounds like a EasyRaid issue :) |
| 15:52.44 | groll | he said it wasnt :P |
| 15:52.53 | groll | he blamed ora :p |
| 15:53.05 | Wobin | yargh |
| 15:53.12 | groll | and i have gotten an ora tank bug but i was in the middle of a raid and havent been able to reproduce it |
| 15:53.13 | haste | how can the giant button issue not be easyraid :p |
| 15:53.20 | Wobin | I certainly have had no issue with oraMaintank =P |
| 15:53.30 | groll | well it feels like a giant button.. i'm not sure it is though :p |
| 15:54.21 | Wobin | maybe try GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 15:54.25 | Wobin | when that happens |
| 15:54.33 | Wobin | to see if there's a frame overlapping everything |
| 15:55.12 | Wobin | chances are, if it's blocking you from clicking buttons, it's a mouseneabled frame |
| 15:55.22 | Wobin | so you'll be able to at least figure out the name |
| 15:56.14 | groll | hmm |
| 15:56.22 | groll | ok so i can see what errors it kinda? |
| 15:56.36 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:57.19 | groll | ok logging in then :D what do i need to type? :) |
| 15:58.01 | Wobin | /script ace:print(GetMouseFocus():GetName()) |
| 15:58.06 | groll | ok will test |
| 16:05.01 | groll | and just because of that it DONT happen ofcourse |
| 16:05.48 | Wobin | hehe |
| 16:05.54 | Wobin | always happens that way =) |
| 16:07.05 | groll | before i just added a mt and then i couldnt press anything |
| 16:07.39 | Thrae | Phargh, stuck at "Connected" |
| 16:08.54 | Thrae | There we go, had to hit "Cancel" then choose my realm manually. Weird, I never choose a different realm. |
| 16:10.53 | Thrae | (not col or col <= some_number) doesn't work, grrr |
| 16:11.18 | Thrae | Neither does (not col or (col and col <= some_number) ) ... hmm, maybe that wasn't the problem |
| 16:12.06 | Thrae | Aha! Arguments sent were wrong. |
| 16:33.53 | Thrae | Bah! So empty tables have no n field and no getn() method? |
| 16:35.14 | cladhaire | wait |
| 16:35.17 | cladhaire | thats a loaded question =) |
| 16:35.20 | CIA-17 | 03devla 07Devla * r2318 10AceHeal/AceHeal/Locals/AceHeal_Locals_frFR.lua: AceHeal:Updated French locals (ethnovode) |
| 16:35.32 | cladhaire | there's a lot to underand about tables.. whats the first question? =) |
| 16:35.51 | cladhaire | are you adding elements via table.insert or t[key] = value? |
| 16:36.19 | Thrae | Hmm, good point. |
| 16:36.31 | cladhaire | there's a lot to undertsand.. but i can clarify all of it for ya =) |
| 16:38.14 | cladhaire | A table that never has table.insert or table.setn called on it will not have an n field.. those only happen if you manually set it by t.n = num |
| 16:38.23 | Thrae | Doing "local data = {} table.insert(data, 0) table.insert(data,0) table.insert(data, {})" gives me the same error as doing "local data = {} data[1] = 0 data[2] = 0 data[3] = {}" |
| 16:38.35 | cladhaire | well |
| 16:38.41 | cladhaire | you can't do that =) |
| 16:38.50 | cladhaire | whats are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:39.48 | Thrae | Wait, I can't do table.insert(data, {} ) ? |
| 16:40.03 | Thrae | I'm just trying to insert an empty table into a table. |
| 16:40.23 | cladhaire | you can, but your specifying a position |
| 16:40.24 | cladhaire | that's the issue |
| 16:40.38 | cladhaire | table.getn() only returns sensivle values if you SET It yourself, or you follow the table rules =) |
| 16:41.10 | Thrae | Well I'm saying, using table.insert gives me the same error. |
| 16:41.18 | cladhaire | what error? |
| 16:42.16 | Thrae | table.insert(data[3],{}) col = data[3].n DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage( tostring(data[3][col]) ) |
| 16:42.20 | Thrae | That'll print out nil. |
| 16:42.29 | cladhaire | k hold on a second |
| 16:44.22 | cladhaire | let me look at this |
| 16:45.49 | cladhaire | there is no .n |
| 16:45.51 | cladhaire | there won't be |
| 16:46.45 | Thrae | Oh, because it's an integer array and not a hash table? |
| 16:46.46 | cladhaire | .n only exists if you set it manually |
| 16:46.54 | cladhaire | *shake*... .n never exists unless you set it. |
| 16:46.58 | cladhaire | t[n] = num |
| 16:47.10 | Thrae | You mean t.n = num |
| 16:47.10 | cladhaire | table.setn() will USE .n if it exists.. but thats not the default mode. |
| 16:47.14 | cladhaire | yes |
| 16:47.37 | cladhaire | out of curiousity, what are you trying to accomplish here? |
| 16:47.42 | cladhaire | there may be a more straightforward way |
| 16:47.47 | Thrae | Can you do table.setn() on an integer array? |
| 16:47.51 | cladhaire | yes |
| 16:47.55 | cladhaire | but you shouldnt if you dont need to |
| 16:47.59 | Thrae | A two-dimensional array where I don't know how big it is at any given time. |
| 16:48.02 | Wobin | cause it will never update then |
| 16:48.09 | Wobin | (automatically) |
| 16:48.48 | Thrae | As I'm finding out Wobin, table.insert and table.getn() don't work with my integer arrays. |
| 16:49.05 | Wobin | they're fussy creatures =) |
| 16:49.13 | cladhaire | yes they do |
| 16:49.16 | cladhaire | they work quite well =) |
| 16:49.24 | cladhaire | if you give them consecutive indexed integer arrays =) |
| 16:50.15 | cladhaire | will each row have the same number of columns? |
| 16:51.14 | Thrae | It's ordered by column, not by row. Each column may have different numbers of rows, but you can't skip columns (IE, you can't set column 1 then column 5 without setting columns 2-4 first). |
| 16:51.46 | cladhaire | you can use the table functinos, but you're better off making an ADT for what you need |
| 16:52.44 | Thrae | Yeah, I think I'll just make the first element in every column the number of columns in that list. |
| 16:52.51 | Thrae | Errr, the number of elements. |
| 16:52.55 | cladhaire | *Shake( |
| 16:53.04 | cladhaire | you can use integer indexed and non in the same array |
| 16:53.15 | cladhaire | i.e. table.rows = x table.cols = y |
| 16:53.20 | cladhaire | and still use table.insert() table.getn() on those. |
| 16:54.00 | Thrae | But Lua doesn't make an obviously integer array into a hash table, does it? |
| 16:54.21 | cladhaire | no, its the same data type |
| 16:54.29 | cladhaire | no difference. |
| 16:55.45 | Thrae | How does that work? I thought Lua used vectors, not linked lists? |
| 16:56.11 | cladhaire | the internal implementation is optimized to make all table operations as fast as possible |
| 16:56.14 | cladhaire | given that its the ONLY data type |
| 16:56.56 | Thrae | Yeah, but using an integer array instead of a hash table would be much faster as your number of entries increase. |
| 16:57.05 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 16:57.08 | cladhaire | there's no difference in lua |
| 16:57.12 | cladhaire | and they can co-exist. |
| 16:57.14 | Wobin | it self optiomises |
| 16:57.15 | cladhaire | that's all i'm saying |
| 16:57.18 | cladhaire | you can have an array |
| 16:57.22 | cladhaire | and then add hash entries |
| 16:57.27 | Thrae | I KNOW there's no difference in Lua, that's NOT what I'm talking about! |
| 16:57.28 | cladhaire | and they co-exist and you dont lose anything. |
| 16:57.43 | Thrae | I'm SAYING, the Lua implementation is not efficient for ALL uses of an array. |
| 16:57.58 | cladhaire | that's irrelevant is what i'm saying. |
| 16:58.09 | Thrae | When I have an integer array, I should get O(1), I'm not going to get O(1) from Lua's implementation. |
| 16:58.59 | cladhaire | Close to it, but why is that an issue? |
| 16:59.02 | cladhaire | its the only data structure you have |
| 16:59.11 | cladhaire | i'm just trying to help and understand |
| 16:59.41 | Thrae | Yes, and I'm not attacking you. I'm attacking Lua. |
| 16:59.46 | cladhaire | why? |
| 16:59.49 | cladhaire | you wont ever notice the overhead |
| 16:59.51 | hyperChipmunk | I lost the conversation a ways back, but if you don't use a table-library function to remove your entries, you have to decrement with table.setn yourself |
| 17:00.07 | cladhaire | you dont seem to understand.. the overhead of any table operation is almost NOTHING compared to the overhead of a single functino call. |
| 17:00.33 | hyperChipmunk | getn doesn't count the entries |
| 17:00.46 | hyperChipmunk | it just gets the n-value |
| 17:00.49 | Thrae | cladhaire: Well, it just goes to show you, Lua wasn't made for absurdly large databases. |
| 17:01.13 | hyperChipmunk | Thrae: I don't think it was ever meant to |
| 17:01.14 | cladhaire | Thrae: Its not a database storage language, but I've worked with absurdly large tables.. and have had no issues. |
| 17:01.43 | cladhaire | I think you've overstating the overhead you're talking about. |
| 17:01.50 | cladhaire | and we've strayed quite far from the discussion =) |
| 17:02.09 | cladhaire | and my original suggestion still applies. I dont have time to implement it now, but I can look at it when I get home. |
| 17:02.48 | Thrae | There's a different between "issues" and "optimal"...I'm surprised I'm hearing this from you of all people, being the developer of Ace2.0. |
| 17:03.00 | Thrae | s/different/difference/. |
| 17:03.05 | cladhaire | I understand that |
| 17:03.15 | cladhaire | but did you listen what I said that the overhead of ANY table operation is dwarfed by even a function call? |
| 17:03.21 | Thrae | I was just arguing the optimal, and isn't it Ace's job to argue what's optional? |
| 17:03.22 | Wobin | There's also a difference between 'minimal' and 'relative' =) |
| 17:04.02 | Wobin | anyway |
| 17:04.05 | Wobin | I'm off to bed =P |
| 17:04.08 | Wobin | Night! |
| 17:04.37 | Thrae | cladhaire: You'd hope a function call within Lua language takes more time then grabbing a single table element, because the latter is done natively. |
| 17:04.52 | cladhaire | I'm not talking about just one table operation. |
| 17:04.54 | cladhaire | any table operation |
| 17:04.57 | cladhaire | any number of them as well |
| 17:05.24 | Thrae | So the time it takes to parse through 1,000,000 table entries is dwarfed by a single function? |
| 17:05.30 | cladhaire | i didn't say that. |
| 17:05.38 | Thrae | Then I'm confused. |
| 17:05.42 | cladhaire | you're also assuming that integer indexed data structures are the most efficient method of storing large numbers of data |
| 17:05.55 | cladhaire | we're arguing somethign that has no point |
| 17:06.05 | cladhaire | tables in LUA are as optimized as possible, and quite suitable for every purpose I have seen. |
| 17:06.09 | MoonWolf | some would argue that those are the best arguments. |
| 17:06.19 | Thrae | No, I didn't say integer indexed data structures are the most efficient for sotring large numbers of data. |
| 17:06.22 | cladhaire | If you want an SQL database, you wouldn't attempt to store that data natively in ANY language |
| 17:06.34 | Thrae | I said they were the best for what --I-- am doing. |
| 17:06.43 | cladhaire | and they may be, or they may not be. |
| 17:07.20 | cladhaire | if you want the speed of C native two-dimensional arrays, then yes.. LUA is an interpreted language written in C.. so you will gain some overhead from using tables instead of native C 2-d arrays |
| 17:07.25 | hyperChipmunk | just out of curiosity, why would you be needing a full database language for a wow addon, and who would use such an addon? |
| 17:07.30 | cladhaire | but you're writing in LUA.. so I'm just confused what the issue is. |
| 17:07.31 | Thrae | I just don't like having a choice, that's all. |
| 17:07.51 | cladhaire | Why? |
| 17:07.59 | cladhaire | the lack of choice is what makes the tables in LUA so fast |
| 17:08.09 | cladhaire | the decision was quite specific |
| 17:09.01 | cladhaire | both hash tables, and array-type tables are extemely fast in LUA |
| 17:09.04 | cladhaire | and quite flexible. |
| 17:09.08 | Thrae | "if isintarray then" would be negilible to performance. |
| 17:09.22 | cladhaire | ... |
| 17:09.35 | cladhaire | Thrae: What are we arguing now? |
| 17:09.45 | MoonWolf | isnt a hash table and an array the same structure with different indexes in lua ? |
| 17:09.53 | cladhaire | MoonWolf: Yes |
| 17:09.55 | Thrae | cladhaire: You're the one who asked "Why?" |
| 17:10.01 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 17:10.08 | MoonWolf | why do people refer to them seperatly then ? |
| 17:10.14 | cladhaire | What issue do you have with consecutive integer indexed arrays in LUA? |
| 17:10.21 | cladhaire | MoonWolf: Because they have drastically different "rules" |
| 17:10.26 | MoonWolf | ah |
| 17:10.41 | cladhaire | Thrae: that question was meant for you, but I typed before I tabbed =) |
| 17:11.34 | Thrae | We're going in circles. I'm not trying to say Lua sucks or anything, I just disagree with their particular design decision here. |
| 17:11.42 | cladhaire | but WHY do you disagree? |
| 17:11.46 | cladhaire | thats my question =) |
| 17:11.50 | cladhaire | On what basis? |
| 17:12.20 | cladhaire | because when the design decision has little to no impact.. there should be a good reason for such distaste.. And it typically comes down to a fundamental misundertsanding about the implementation. |
| 17:13.01 | hyperChipmunk | Thrae: you're not much of a Lisp fan, I take it |
| 17:13.12 | Thrae | 17:04 < Thrae> When I have an integer array, I should get O(1), I'm not going to get O(1) from Lua's implementation. 17:09 < Thrae> I was just arguing the optimal, and isn't it Ace's job to argue what's optional? 17:13 < Thrae> I just don't like having a choice, that's all. |
| 17:13.28 | cladhaire | Thrae: Yes.. but you're arguing something that makes no sense. |
| 17:13.31 | cladhaire | this is an INTERPRETED language. |
| 17:13.38 | Thrae | Bah, I made a typo earlier. |
| 17:13.44 | cladhaire | AND if youhave a consecutive integer indexed array, it is O(1) |
| 17:14.08 | cladhaire | I have to look at the code specifically |
| 17:14.18 | cladhaire | but I understand that consecutive integer indexed arrays in lua are O(1) |
| 17:14.26 | Thrae | cladhaire: Ah, well then that changes my mind. |
| 17:14.28 | cladhaire | and most table operations (hash tables in particular) are also O(1) |
| 17:14.45 | cladhaire | I said a long while ago that tables in LUA are optimized to be as quick and efficient as possible.. ebcause its the only data type. |
| 17:15.04 | cladhaire | its an interpreted language NOT running natively in C.. so you gain overhead there, but the algorithmic complexity doesn't change. |
| 17:15.34 | Thrae | If you said that before, I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were saying Lua always goes through some hash rountine / hash collision rountnie even for integers. |
| 17:15.47 | Thrae | s/routnie/routine/. |
| 17:16.14 | cladhaire | *shake* absolutely not. |
| 17:16.19 | cladhaire | only when you're working with hash elements. |
| 17:16.34 | Thrae | Well, I believe the phrase "as fast and as efficient as possible" as much as I believe the phrase "And that's a fact." I try to keep an open mind until proof is given to me. |
| 17:16.34 | cladhaire | the internal implementatino of the tables is quite amzing. |
| 17:17.14 | hyperChipmunk | http://www.lua.org/ftp/lua-5.1.tar.gz |
| 17:17.23 | Thrae | Proof, or reasonable ancedotal evidence ;) |
| 17:17.54 | cladhaire | =) |
| 17:18.02 | cladhaire | Indeed, run some profiles, or look at the source code =) |
| 17:18.03 | cladhaire | I have =) |
| 17:18.12 | Thrae | hyperChipmunk: I choose to believe what cladhaire told me, I don't need to go poking around Lua's source code. |
| 17:18.24 | cladhaire | ok fokls |
| 17:18.29 | cladhaire | i have to head out for a few |
| 17:18.31 | cladhaire | i'll be back in a bit. |
| 17:20.17 | Thrae | Sometimes I have a problem wording exactly what I mean to people when I'm talking literally ;) |
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| 17:25.26 | hyperChipmunk | heh, just looked at the code myself...right at the top of ltable.c |
| 17:25.41 | hyperChipmunk | ** Implementation of tables (aka arrays, objects, or hash tables). |
| 17:25.41 | hyperChipmunk | ** Tables keep its elements in two parts: an array part and a hash part. |
| 17:25.41 | hyperChipmunk | ** Non-negative integer keys are all candidates to be kept in the array |
| 17:25.41 | hyperChipmunk | ** part. The actual size of the array is the largest `n' such that at |
| 17:25.43 | hyperChipmunk | ** least half the slots between 0 and n are in use. |
| 17:26.47 | hyperChipmunk | they even make the positive integer parts of a mixed table work like an array >8p |
| 17:27.28 | Thrae | Which is the way I thought it worked, but I thought cladhaire was saying something different. I was the one mistaken. |
| 17:28.08 | hyperChipmunk | shoulda just read the source; took me literally 15 seconds to find that |
| 17:28.36 | hyperChipmunk | including the finding of the source on the web =P |
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| 18:19.17 | phyber | if (val ~= nil) and (val == "HIGH" or "MEDIUM" or "LOW" or "BACKGROUND") then |
| 18:19.27 | phyber | if I set the val to WIBBLE, it passes that if. |
| 18:19.37 | phyber | why does LUA have to make things difficult. |
| 18:19.40 | phyber | it should fail. |
| 18:19.58 | phyber | if it's not nil, and it's equal to one of those values, then go, else, don't. |
| 18:20.29 | MoonWolf | val isnt compared with the string in the ords |
| 18:20.42 | MoonWolf | you need to do that explcitly |
| 18:20.48 | Codayus | == is higher priority than or |
| 18:21.10 | phyber | shouldn't it still fail then because it doesn't == HIGH? |
| 18:21.40 | Codayus | No. |
| 18:21.44 | MoonWolf | if("MEDIUM") would that run ? |
| 18:22.05 | Codayus | What MoonWolf said. If the left hand side of an or is false, it evaluates the right. |
| 18:23.01 | MoonWolf | do or val =="stuff" or val == "stuf" or etc |
| 18:23.49 | phyber | if (val ~= nil) and (val == "HIGH") or (val == "MEDIUM") or (val == "LOW") or (val == "BACKGROUND") then |
| 18:23.53 | phyber | yeah, I just changed it to this. |
| 18:24.32 | MoonWolf | hmm, weird placement of () , but that should not matter. |
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| 19:37.16 | cknight | hey cladhaire, did you ever do the testing that's needed for Ace2? |
| 19:37.52 | hyperChipmunk | i think you forgot a k, dude |
| 19:39.22 | cladhaire | I did a bunch of testing, yes. |
| 19:41.14 | cladhaire | one thing i need feedback on now is how we include this in the libraries.. ive asked for feedback but not really gotten a ton. |
| 19:41.23 | cladhaire | not to mention, its not mine to roll out =) |
| 19:42.42 | ckknight | pretty sure cknight is my old nick, but I forgot the pass anyway |
| 19:43.22 | ckknight | cladhaire, include what in the libraries? |
| 19:43.31 | ckknight | the AceLibrary stub? |
| 19:44.19 | cladhaire | well its a matter of whether you include AceLibrary.lua AND your library in the toc |
| 19:44.23 | cladhaire | and in your cases, just fetch it via external |
| 19:44.37 | Thrae | Hmmm, this was easier then I thought it would be. |
| 19:44.38 | cladhaire | and then its whether or not we include the AceOO stuff IN AceLibrary, or as a seperate include. |
| 19:45.43 | Thrae | Well, except for the fact this addon doesn't work right without 1.11. |
| 19:45.53 | ckknight | that is a toughie |
| 19:46.05 | ckknight | frankly, I think that core Ace components should follow the OO system |
| 19:46.10 | ckknight | e.g. AceDB and whatnot |
| 19:46.48 | cladhaire | Well they don't all need to |
| 19:46.51 | ckknight | I'm not sure whether plain libs (e.g. BabbleLib) should need the OO part, cause it doesn't honestly seem to |
| 19:46.58 | cladhaire | i.e. if they're a static class |
| 19:47.09 | cladhaire | or if they're implemented as a mixin (As AceHook is for example) |
| 19:47.46 | Thrae | What do you think is more resource intensive -- new frame tables for each addon or multiple calls to CreateFrame for each addon? |
| 19:48.04 | cladhaire | Ideally, we make it as easy as possible for the USER, but that adds 10k of code to each library (you'd have to include the full text of AceLibrary/AceOO in your library thats implemented as a mixin) |
| 19:48.08 | cladhaire | Thrae: What do you mean by frame tables? |
| 19:48.25 | Thrae | Wait, nevermind, let me rephrase. |
| 19:49.12 | cladhaire | ckknight: The more developer friendly, but less user friendly is, if your addon is a mixin, include AceLibrary.lua and AceOO.lua. If your library is a static pseudo-class, then just include AceLibrary.lua |
| 19:50.36 | Thrae | What is more resource intensive overall - storing the results of CreateFrame(...) for each addon, or storing the information only pertinent to the library (text on button and function when clicked) and having a separate reusable set of frames? |
| 19:51.53 | cladhaire | Well in either case you don't store anything more than references to the objects, which are in fact free. I tend to avoid a single overall "pool" of frames across multiple addons (unless there's a specific reason for it) and manage my own pool of frames (which are all the same type of frame) in teh addon itself. |
| 19:52.18 | cladhaire | I dont name the objects I dont need names for, and I just store the references to the children (i.e. text, etc) in the frame itself |
| 19:52.30 | Thrae | Right, that's what this does currently. |
| 19:52.51 | cladhaire | local f = CreateFrame("Frame") ; f.text = f:CreateFontString("blahblah"); |
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| 20:39.09 | Mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/213/20060602.gif |
| 20:43.40 | Industrial | lame |
| 20:43.41 | Industrial | hm |
| 20:43.46 | Industrial | i downloaded 7gb today |
| 20:44.01 | Industrial | thats pretty much .. as opposed to what iI usually download |
| 20:44.12 | Industrial | I had to keep up with Bleach.. |
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| 21:36.56 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2319 10Squishy/ (Squishy.toc core.lua hooks.lua options.lua): Squishy: code cleanup, moving functions to separate files |
| 21:38.16 | maia | pretty quiet today... |
| 21:39.20 | ckknight_ | back |
| 21:39.29 | phyber | they're going to do Naked Paintball in Dirty Sanchez. |
| 21:39.34 | phyber | that's got to hurt. |
| 21:39.48 | MoonWolf | IDIOTS |
| 21:40.07 | phyber | MoonWolf: yup. that's all that is in the show. |
| 21:40.29 | phyber | earlier, someone climed up a ladder while the other person knocked it down in a car, while the person was still up it. |
| 21:40.42 | phyber | s/climed/climbed/ |
| 21:40.42 | MoonWolf | i have had enough paintballs against me to know how damn much they can hurt with protective clothing on. |
| 21:41.31 | MoonWolf | i think a paintball is about as close as you can get be getting hit with a rubber bullet. |
| 21:43.02 | MoonWolf | thats a good idea |
| 21:43.14 | MoonWolf | they can shoot each other with rebbur bullets naked |
| 21:43.15 | MoonWolf | end of the shwo. |
| 21:43.24 | MoonWolf | show* |
| 21:49.41 | Industrial | MoonWolf: I'm going to build my music database now |
| 21:49.44 | Industrial | :) |
| 21:49.54 | MoonWolf | have fun. |
| 21:50.06 | Industrial | downloaded all of haggard lacrimosa and vnv nation today |
| 21:50.18 | Industrial | and bauhaus |
| 21:50.35 | MoonWolf | Toe maar |
| 21:50.38 | Industrial | ;p |
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| 22:08.09 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2320 10Squishy/ (Squishy.toc core.lua): Squishy: testing svn:keywords |
| 22:10.11 | maia | anyone familiar with svn:keywords? |
| 22:11.27 | maia | well, I guess I'll talk to myself - maybe someone has the answer: |
| 22:11.52 | maia | I just added a tonumber(string.sub("$Revision$", 12, -3)) to my .lua |
| 22:12.23 | maia | when I export the latest revision from the SVN, the $Revision$ is replaced - so far, so good. |
| 22:12.26 | maia | but: |
| 22:12.45 | maia | when I checkout the latest revision, the $Revision$ gets replaced as well. |
| 22:13.28 | maia | do I now have to manually delete stuff like tonumber(string.sub("$Revision: 2320 $", 12, -3)) and replace it with the $Revision$ in my working copy each time I commit? |
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| 22:19.42 | Mikma | np: bunch of kickass goa-sons |
| 22:19.46 | Mikma | songs :P |
| 22:19.57 | Mikma | i wanna be a goa-son |
| 22:24.07 | ckknight_ | I'm familiar with svn:keywords |
| 22:24.10 | ckknight_ | I got everyone to use em |
| 22:28.20 | ckknight | maia, no you don't |
| 22:28.34 | ckknight | $Revision: 2320 $ will be automatically updated |
| 22:29.09 | Industrial | Galka: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/errors/WoWScrnShot_060506_002143.jpg |
| 22:29.48 | Industrial | This thing is sick... http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/fun/WoWScrnShot_060306_145204.jpg |
| 22:30.16 | Industrial | Tauren with raptor mounts are scary http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/fun/WoWScrnShot_060306_152751.jpg |
| 22:30.38 | maia | ckknight: I see, thanks a lot. |
| 22:31.02 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2321 10Squishy/Squishy.toc: Squishy: updating .toc |
| 22:38.53 | Kyahx | maia, i modified the TargetSquishyUnit functions so that they can (optionally) return a unitid instead of targetting the unit, do you mind if I upload the change? |
| 22:39.25 | Kyahx | (so TargetSquishyUnitByPriority(1, 1) returns a unitid instead, leaving the second arg empty does the normal logic) |
| 22:40.16 | *** join/#wowace haste (n=haste@233.84-48-77.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:41.05 | maia | Kyahx: I'm cleaning the lua at the moment, let me commit first :) |
| 22:41.20 | Kyahx | no problem |
| 22:41.21 | maia | just give me 10 more minutes, then do whatever you'd want to do |
| 22:42.08 | Kyahx | Im attempting to created FreeRefills, but I have no idea what im doing for manageing tables and whatnot. |
| 22:43.17 | Kyahx | learning is a slow process =( |
| 22:44.21 | ckknight | Industrial, you there? |
| 22:46.14 | maia | hrm. How do I use a library in more than one .lua file? Do I add a local metro = Metrognome:GetInstance("1") in each file at the beginning, or is it possible to do a self:= Metrognome:GetInstance("1") ? |
| 22:46.35 | maia | err, self.metro = Metrognome:GetInstance("1") |
| 22:47.17 | Industrial | ckknight: yes |
| 22:47.38 | ckknight | maia, either is fine |
| 22:47.44 | ckknight | neither is really more expensive |
| 22:47.53 | ckknight | Industrial, do you have idAutoAttack? |
| 22:48.00 | Industrial | ckknight: I lost it |
| 22:48.05 | ckknight | ... |
| 22:48.06 | Industrial | :( |
| 22:48.10 | ckknight | I guess I'll have to write my own |
| 22:48.21 | Industrial | Tis not hard - at all |
| 22:48.29 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:48.30 | Industrial | trivial :P |
| 22:48.40 | ckknight | but I want to make sure it doesn't have all the snags the others do |
| 22:48.52 | Industrial | Mine was too slow with detecting |
| 22:48.56 | Industrial | guess thats wow's fault |
| 22:48.59 | ckknight | hrm |
| 22:49.13 | Industrial | e.g. gouge didnt work as i'd just start attacking him again |
| 22:49.19 | ckknight | hrm |
| 22:49.28 | ckknight | yea, I want to prevent that |
| 22:49.36 | Industrial | ywa, it lagged with that |
| 22:49.45 | Industrial | but i guess its not a mod for meelee people |
| 22:49.53 | Industrial | s/mod/addon/ |
| 22:49.56 | ckknight | says you |
| 22:50.23 | Industrial | yes cause you enter meelee mode when you attack anyway |
| 22:50.27 | Industrial | only thing useful would be the CC |
| 22:52.28 | Tekkub | erf |
| 22:52.31 | ckknight | I'm gonna write one |
| 22:52.34 | ckknight | what should I call it? |
| 22:52.58 | Tekkub | Beatstick |
| 22:53.03 | Tekkub | Autobeatstick |
| 22:53.13 | Tekkub | Pummel? |
| 22:53.15 | ckknight | hrm |
| 22:53.23 | haste | gwah, I'm addicted to a game on the guild forums arcade :p |
| 22:53.29 | ckknight | link? |
| 22:53.31 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2322 10Squishy/ (Squishy.toc core.lua frames.lua): Squishy: more code cleanup |
| 22:53.34 | Tekkub | kitty cannon? |
| 22:53.39 | maia | Kyahx: go ahead. |
| 22:53.46 | Kyahx | kk |
| 22:53.47 | Tekkub | maia, get proximity working? |
| 22:53.52 | haste | almost, it's nanaca-crash :D |
| 22:53.56 | maia | yup |
| 22:54.01 | Tekkub | oh yea, that one's weird |
| 22:54.18 | Tekkub | maia, good :) |
| 22:54.20 | ckknight | would Wifebeater be a bad name? |
| 22:54.23 | maia | the only thing I don't like is that I have to add checks if e.g. "raid12" is "player" |
| 22:54.35 | maia | as ProximityLib doesn't return range for the player |
| 22:54.53 | Tekkub | yea if you're in a raid it doesn't mess with player/party# cause it'd just be duplicate effort |
| 22:54.58 | ckknight | isn't player always either raid1 or raid .. GetNumRaidMembers()? |
| 22:55.02 | Tekkub | and you don't need player :) |
| 22:55.11 | Tekkub | ckk, not that I've seen |
| 22:55.15 | ckknight | hrm |
| 22:55.17 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:55.22 | maia | yeah, but now I have if u.name == self.PlayerName then range=0 time=0 end |
| 22:55.29 | Tekkub | I was in a 2-man raid testing crap and I was raid2 |
| 22:55.45 | ckknight | Tekkub, yea, raid .. GetNumRaidMembers() |
| 22:55.52 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 22:55.58 | Tekkub | quiet yous! |
| 22:56.07 | Tekkub | don't prove nuttin :) |
| 22:56.08 | ckknight | raid1 is always the leader |
| 22:56.32 | Tekkub | but... I was the leader |
| 22:56.34 | maia | so, if ProximityLib would return range&time for the player (no matter if grouped or not), this would be great. |
| 22:56.35 | Tekkub | *boggle* |
| 22:56.57 | ckknight | Tekkub, *shrug* |
| 22:56.59 | Tekkub | maia, you want me to just return 0, GetTime() for the player's unit? |
| 22:57.05 | maia | yup |
| 22:57.10 | Tekkub | okey, I'll do that |
| 22:57.14 | maia | thx |
| 22:57.46 | maia | oh. something else. I guess that the library will do all its stuff no matter if needed or not |
| 22:57.59 | maia | wouldnt it be nice to add a ProximityLib:Start()? |
| 22:59.09 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r2323 10ProximityLib/Lib/ProximityLib.lua: ProximityLib - GetUnitRange will now always return 0, GetTime() if the unit passed is the player. |
| 22:59.47 | Tekkub | maia... actually, party units should work just fine... |
| 23:00.14 | Tekkub | cause it's all stored by unitname, so on a query it converts the unitid to a UnitName |
| 23:00.28 | Tekkub | so party1 should work in a raid just fine, if it's a valid unit |
| 23:00.39 | maia | party1 isnt the problem I guess. |
| 23:00.50 | Tekkub | :) |
| 23:00.58 | maia | but in parties you'll have "player", "party1",.."party4" |
| 23:00.59 | Tekkub | yea you were only whining about player |
| 23:01.10 | maia | will it now return 0,GetTime() for player too? |
| 23:01.23 | maia | aka also in parties, not only in raids? |
| 23:01.40 | Tekkub | it will return that for anything that matches UnitIsUnit(unitid, "player") |
| 23:01.46 | maia | ah |
| 23:01.59 | Tekkub | parties you never have player as "party#" |
| 23:02.05 | Tekkub | only raid# |
| 23:02.06 | maia | true |
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| 23:04.38 | ckknight | so what do you guys think of Wifebeater as a name? |
| 23:05.52 | CIA-17 | 03kyahx * r2324 10Squishy/core.lua: Squishy: Added a second argument to the TargetSquishyUnit... macro functions. TargetSquishyUnitByPriority(#, 1) will return a unitid instead of Targeting the Unit. |
| 23:08.35 | maia | svn commandline question: how do I merge kyahx last commit into my working copy? |
| 23:09.28 | maia | (other than renaming my current .lua to .bak, then svn update, then renaming it back) |
| 23:10.00 | Kyahx | dosent the svn merge the changes with your current files? When I updated to the new commit by you, my modified functions stayed the same. |
| 23:10.40 | maia | my client doesnt support svn merge, so I'd have to do that via commandline |
| 23:10.46 | maia | just don't know the syntax :) |
| 23:10.50 | Kyahx | ah |
| 23:11.51 | Tekkub | I don't know how to merge commandlinewise, I always use tort |
| 23:13.33 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2325 10Squishy/ (core.lua frames.lua): Squishy: removed player check, not needed with new ProximityLib |
| 23:13.34 | maia | we'll see what happenes |
| 23:14.01 | maia | worked. |
| 23:14.25 | haste | maia: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn-book.html#svn.ref.svn.c.merge << your new friend |
| 23:14.27 | maia | well, did it manually, so it had to work. |
| 23:14.58 | maia | haste: you want me to read a manual? that's so 80ies. ;p |
| 23:15.21 | haste | meeep! |
| 23:15.47 | maia | thanks anyway, will try it next time. doesn't look very complicated. |
| 23:15.55 | haste | :) |
| 23:16.54 | maia | does anyone play on the test realm? I'd like to know if Squishy works on 1.11, but I can't test it myself - my harddrive has 4GB free space, and the test client needs more than that. |
| 23:17.34 | haste | delete some porn, problem solved! *hides* |
| 23:18.19 | ckknight | porn can get pretty big |
| 23:18.25 | ckknight | especially if you like video |
| 23:20.11 | maia | I know 30/60GB on my harddisk are media files, but these are work related, so I can't delete them. and I won't upgrade the disk on this notebook as I'm planning to buy a new one soon. |
| 23:20.39 | haste | wish I could play WoW on my laptop :( |
| 23:20.52 | maia | you'd wish you had 2FPS in BWL? |
| 23:21.25 | haste | that depends on the laptop ;) |
| 23:21.29 | maia | on the other hand, my low FPS was the main reason to test some ace addons. with the result of me writing aced addons myself. |
| 23:22.26 | haste | that is basicly how I ended up writing addons also, wasn't satisifed with what was provided |
| 23:30.59 | maia | tekkub, still there? |
| 23:31.03 | Tekkub | ya |
| 23:31.10 | Industrial | haste: me too |
| 23:31.12 | maia | as for the problems with RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 23:31.34 | maia | as it seems, the last raid unit (aka the player himself) won't always have a UnitName() |
| 23:31.46 | maia | it never occured with other units, always with the last one. |
| 23:31.49 | Tekkub | hrm... okey |
| 23:32.06 | maia | strange, I know. |
| 23:32.07 | Tekkub | and we'r esure the last unit is the player? |
| 23:32.15 | maia | yeah, the last unit always is the player. |
| 23:32.28 | maia | although, I don't know what happenes if the player is raid leader. |
| 23:32.41 | Tekkub | okey, I'll just tweak the loop to NumRaidWhatever()-1 |
| 23:33.02 | maia | just tested. even being raid leader, I'm raid2 in a 2man raid. |
| 23:33.11 | Tekkub | wait nevermind |
| 23:33.26 | Tekkub | I added that check to get rid of the error message |
| 23:33.31 | Tekkub | has the same effect in the end |
| 23:33.44 | Tekkub | if no UnitName is returned it just ignores that unit |
| 23:34.08 | Mikma | haste: well, i have to play wow on laptop pretty much :P don't have a space for my old pc or money to buy a brand new pc. but i'd still prefer a macbook over pc |
| 23:34.46 | maia | Mikma: don't buy a MacBook if you want to play wow. I love Apple computers, and I already ordered a MacBook to replace my iBook |
| 23:35.01 | Mikma | maia: i don't wan't to play wow :P |
| 23:35.08 | Mikma | i wan't a macbook! |
| 23:35.11 | maia | until I realized that the MacBook (not Pro) is using RAM for graphics |
| 23:35.26 | maia | with the result that the FPS is as low as on my 2yr old iBook. |
| 23:35.59 | Mikma | maia: well, i use iBook 12" 1,2GHz atm to play wow ;) |
| 23:36.05 | maia | wait 3 more months, then Apple will probably release an updated MacBook Pro with Core2 Duo (Merom), with +30% speed and -30% power consumption |
| 23:36.12 | Mikma | and i have got used to the extremely low fps |
| 23:36.14 | maia | iBook 12" 1Ghz G4 here. |
| 23:36.42 | maia | yeah, but the MacBook 2Ghz has more or less the same FPS than your iBook. Do you want that? ;) |
| 23:36.57 | Mikma | well i don't have money to buy new macbook even if i would wan't to :P |
| 23:37.17 | Mikma | so i'll play the rest of the time i have with this one and be happy :) |
| 23:37.37 | Mikma | my newest fun is grinding the 59-60 elite giants in winterspring with my shadowpriest |
| 23:37.59 | maia | holy is the new shadow. |
| 23:38.08 | Mikma | now when soloing |
| 23:38.15 | Mikma | not* |
| 23:39.48 | Mikma | holy is extremely fun in instances but i still like shadow more in pvp and solo |
| 23:48.39 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2326 10BabbleLib/Spell/BabbleLib-Spell.lua: BabbleLib-Spell - added Food and Drink |
| 23:49.08 | Tekkub | hey ckk, a API request for Dewdrop |
| 23:49.14 | ckknight | yea? |
| 23:49.29 | Tekkub | can you give us a tooltip func/args property... |
| 23:49.47 | ckknight | which would do? |
| 23:49.53 | Tekkub | dewdrop would position the GameTooltip relative to the button then call the func |
| 23:50.12 | Tekkub | so I could do like SetUnitBuff or SetBagItem or whatever |
| 23:50.29 | ckknight | tooltipTitle/tooltipText aren't enough? |
| 23:50.31 | ckknight | blah |
| 23:50.41 | Tekkub | no, I want to do items |
| 23:50.43 | Tekkub | :P |
| 23:50.45 | ckknight | hrm |
| 23:50.48 | ckknight | well |
| 23:50.54 | ckknight | if you want to hack it |
| 23:50.56 | ckknight | you have my welcome |
| 23:51.01 | ckknight | I want to finish what I'm doing |
| 23:51.03 | Tekkub | gack |
| 23:51.10 | ckknight | it should be pretty easy |
| 23:51.15 | Tekkub | whenever, you don't have to jump on it |
| 23:51.21 | Tekkub | just sayin it'd be handy |
| 23:51.25 | ckknight | search for this.tooltipTitle |
| 23:51.29 | ckknight | add it right after |
| 23:51.40 | ckknight | you'll be good to go |
| 23:52.09 | ckknight | I already know the code, just don't want to test |
| 23:52.24 | Tekkub | yarr |
| 23:54.33 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2327 10BabbleLib/Spell/BabbleLib-Spell.lua: BabbleLib-Spell - added Enriched Manna Biscuit |
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