| 00:00.00 | ckknight | ah |
| 00:00.01 | ckknight | makes sense |
| 00:00.01 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:00.20 | kergoth | no standards for this stuff of course, but that process involves less major merges than the alternatives, since you just flow minor bugfixes from the bugfix branch to the trunk, or vice versa |
| 00:00.25 | kergoth | no huge deltas flying around |
| 00:00.31 | Mikma | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8223612628687486066&q=Shaman&pl=true |
| 00:00.32 | ckknight | kergoth, can you give me a reply about the assert/argCheck function? |
| 00:00.33 | Mikma | ah hahahahahaha |
| 00:01.00 | kergoth | ckknight: i wouldnt see a problem having something like that, would encourage people to make their libs more fault tolerant |
| 00:01.09 | ckknight | :-) |
| 00:01.28 | ckknight | I arg check on all my visible methods |
| 00:01.48 | snurre | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5811319560852993696 |
| 00:13.50 | ckknight | hehe, snurre |
| 00:14.24 | snurre | (yes, tanking onyxia with 5 FR and 0 defense) is fun :p |
| 00:14.40 | snurre | even with only 31 people inside |
| 00:15.02 | snurre | with full raid and pots, i bet it's doable in around 3mins |
| 00:15.10 | snurre | even less, with more hunters |
| 00:16.06 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2430 10DewdropLib/Lib/DewdropLib.lua: DewdropLib - Added better argument checking |
| 00:16.46 | Mikma | http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/8880/noobblizzard8od.jpg |
| 00:16.50 | ckknight | the hispanic music is important, though |
| 00:16.52 | Mikma | What's funny in that picture? ;) |
| 00:17.14 | ckknight | I don't know? |
| 00:17.28 | Mikma | well look again |
| 00:17.35 | snurre | horde + alliance on pvp realm |
| 00:17.39 | ckknight | ah |
| 00:17.39 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:17.40 | Mikma | bingo! |
| 00:17.51 | snurre | some sleepy GM restored your paladin without noticing it :p |
| 00:17.58 | snurre | don't ever submit a ticket though |
| 00:22.11 | snurre | eddie izzard FTW |
| 00:22.35 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2431 10TabletLib/Lib/TabletLib.lua: TabletLib - updated argument checking |
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| 00:23.02 | ckknight | why not submit a ticket? |
| 00:23.09 | ckknight | who's eddie izzard? |
| 00:23.46 | snurre | you have to be kidding me? eddie izzard is awesome..http://youtube.com/results?search=eddie+izzard&search_type=search_videos&search=Search |
| 00:23.56 | cladhaire | Who's eddie izzard? |
| 00:23.58 | cladhaire | zomg. |
| 00:23.59 | cladhaire | get on that. |
| 00:24.12 | snurre | and if you submit a ticket a GM might see that you have chars from different factions on a pvp realm |
| 00:24.18 | snurre | he'll delete one(or more) of them |
| 00:24.47 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:24.52 | snurre | Mikma: is it your account btw? :p |
| 00:24.56 | ckknight | hey cladhaire |
| 00:25.07 | Mikma | snurre: nope, found from nogg-aholics |
| 00:25.14 | ckknight | would _you_ be against including a library assert and an argCheck function into AceLibrary? |
| 00:25.29 | snurre | Mikma: ah.. feared it might have been me being sloppy :p |
| 00:25.57 | ckknight | library assert is different from regular assert in that it bubbles up to throwing an error above your library instead of inside your library |
| 00:26.27 | Mikma | snurre: yeah well your warning is true since some do check that and some don't |
| 00:26.50 | snurre | all do, from time to time |
| 00:27.02 | snurre | it's not really a diff from gm to gm, but time to time |
| 00:27.10 | snurre | since sometimes there is a time pressure, other times theres not |
| 00:27.23 | snurre | so shortcuts/errors are made |
| 00:28.22 | snurre | gms r ppl too! |
| 00:28.49 | Codayus | snurre: Lies. |
| 00:29.28 | snurre | actually |
| 00:29.36 | snurre | i know for a fact that some gms are actually human |
| 00:29.43 | Codayus | It's a trick. |
| 00:29.44 | snurre | i hugged one earlier today! |
| 00:29.59 | Codayus | Okay, so it's a very good trick. |
| 00:30.02 | snurre | :p |
| 00:30.06 | ckknight | yea, they use magic |
| 00:30.08 | cladhaire | ckknight: I'd consider it, do you have specifics? |
| 00:30.13 | ckknight | cladhaire, sure |
| 00:30.24 | snurre | ckknight: magic? now, that wouldnt surprise me |
| 00:30.32 | ckknight | self:assert(condition [, "message"]) |
| 00:30.44 | snurre | but other than magic wrapped in paper, mixed with tobacco, i haven't seen much proof yet |
| 00:30.48 | ckknight | if condition fails, it throws an error above your library's file |
| 00:30.56 | ckknight | it'll also prefix message with your lib's name |
| 00:31.10 | ckknight | e.g. "BabbleLib-Core: zomg, error" |
| 00:31.18 | ckknight | you can have the name be the major version |
| 00:31.21 | ckknight | which'd make sense |
| 00:31.24 | cladhaire | can it be self:assert(condition [, "message", ...]) |
| 00:31.28 | ckknight | why? |
| 00:31.33 | ckknight | I'm not against it |
| 00:31.39 | cladhaire | so you can string.format implicitly |
| 00:31.45 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:31.51 | ckknight | I'd be against it |
| 00:31.55 | cladhaire | whyzzat? |
| 00:32.05 | cladhaire | its consistent with ace:print() and such |
| 00:32.06 | ckknight | for one, you should not be doing that in asserts |
| 00:32.20 | ckknight | I suppose, but you want asserts to be as cheap as possible |
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| 00:32.32 | snurre | http://youtube.com/watch?v=9zLHWngxSb8&search=eddie%20izzard imba! :p |
| 00:32.33 | kergoth | the assert is cheap, as long as you dont string.format in the _success_ case |
| 00:32.39 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:32.40 | kergoth | heavy in the failure case is fine, as it isnt the usual |
| 00:32.45 | ckknight | success just checks condition |
| 00:32.53 | ckknight | right |
| 00:32.57 | ckknight | having ... isn't heavy if you do nothing with arg, then? |
| 00:33.03 | cladhaire | ea, TBH I misseded that it was assert.. so I could deal without it. |
| 00:33.06 | cladhaire | ... is always free |
| 00:33.09 | cladhaire | ... and unpack is expensive |
| 00:33.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 00:33.30 | ckknight | alright, it'll be self:assert(condition [, "message" [, ... ] ]) |
| 00:33.34 | kergoth | processor wise, it's free. it still creates the table regardless, so theres a memory hit |
| 00:33.45 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:33.46 | cladhaire | kergoth: There's no in-game memory hit |
| 00:33.55 | cladhaire | that i've observed. |
| 00:33.59 | ckknight | oh |
| 00:34.00 | ckknight | alright then |
| 00:34.06 | cladhaire | lemme test quick |
| 00:34.09 | kergoth | every table creation consumes ram, whether you can measure it or not. |
| 00:34.15 | kergoth | and ... creates a table |
| 00:34.26 | ckknight | and if you don't use it, kergoth? |
| 00:34.31 | ckknight | does it instantly reclaim? |
| 00:34.56 | kergoth | good question, i'd expect it to hit the gc as usual, otherwise you couldnt return arg |
| 00:34.58 | cladhaire | lemme look |
| 00:34.59 | kergoth | and returning arg is indeed legal |
| 00:35.06 | cladhaire | kergoth: I dont think it is part of the VM |
| 00:35.06 | kergoth | so it must be garbage collected, not freed on exiting scope |
| 00:35.15 | cladhaire | looking tho |
| 00:35.24 | ckknight | and you have self:argCheck(arg, num, "kind" [, "kind2" [, "kind3" [, "kind4" ] ] ]) |
| 00:35.27 | kergoth | if it was freed on exiting scope, function(...) return arg end wouldnt be legal. |
| 00:35.33 | kergoth | afaik |
| 00:35.35 | ckknight | which checks if arg's type is one of the kinds |
| 00:36.18 | ckknight | if it isn't it'll do ssert(false, format("Bad argument #%d to `%s' (%s expected, got %s)", num, func, kind, type(arg))) |
| 00:36.34 | ckknight | which is the standard arg message |
| 00:36.51 | cladhaire | kergoth: Thats odd, this goes against the testing I did previously.. but okay =) |
| 00:36.58 | cladhaire | ckknight: I agree.. its not good in the assert. |
| 00:37.04 | ckknight | alright then |
| 00:37.31 | ckknight | take a look at one of my libs, I have these functions in there (as locals) |
| 00:38.01 | cladhaire | svn.wowace.com is broken for everyone, right? |
| 00:38.02 | ckknight | and I only do argChecks on visible methods (in the API) |
| 00:38.40 | cladhaire | now what is argcheck again |
| 00:38.42 | cladhaire | bear with me. |
| 00:38.55 | ckknight | gonna just pastebin it |
| 00:39.46 | ckknight | http://ace.pastebin.com/764153 |
| 00:40.01 | cladhaire | ckknight: These can't go in AceLibrary =) |
| 00:40.07 | ckknight | why not? |
| 00:40.17 | cladhaire | unless the libs call them as AceLibrary:assert() |
| 00:40.33 | ckknight | why's that? |
| 00:40.47 | cladhaire | nothing inherits from AceLibrary, its just a static class. |
| 00:41.01 | ckknight | yes, but you register with AceLibrary |
| 00:41.09 | ckknight | which means you can implant the assert code into it |
| 00:41.19 | cladhaire | yes, but it doesn't copy methods down, and I dont think I want it to. |
| 00:41.23 | cladhaire | that's not something that should be in the stub |
| 00:41.33 | ckknight | but it's good for all libs |
| 00:41.36 | cladhaire | kergoth: OMG can i bug you for a minute. |
| 00:41.37 | ckknight | :-( |
| 00:41.49 | cladhaire | ckknight: Yeah but there are about 19 functions that would be good in libraries. |
| 00:41.54 | cladhaire | the stub is just a registration stub. |
| 00:41.56 | ckknight | so why not put em in? |
| 00:42.08 | cladhaire | because it doesn't make sense. |
| 00:42.31 | ckknight | the stub handles libraries |
| 00:42.34 | ckknight | that's all it does |
| 00:42.39 | cladhaire | the stub handles versioning libraries. |
| 00:42.40 | cladhaire | nothing more. |
| 00:42.42 | cladhaire | nothing less =) |
| 00:42.46 | ckknight | blah |
| 00:42.56 | ckknight | I want a streamlined library assert |
| 00:43.05 | ckknight | that I don't have to copy-paste into each and every lib |
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| 00:43.36 | ckknight | that gets updated in a streamlined fashion |
| 00:43.42 | cladhaire | Well there you go |
| 00:43.45 | cladhaire | AceLibrary NEVER gets updated. |
| 00:43.46 | cladhaire | ever =) |
| 00:43.54 | ckknight | unless... |
| 00:43.57 | cladhaire | never =) |
| 00:44.07 | cladhaire | kergoth: PING |
| 00:44.09 | ckknight | it's not an embed? |
| 00:44.17 | ckknight | in and of itself |
| 00:44.23 | cladhaire | ckknight: You can bring it up with Iriel, and I personally agree with the philosophy 100% |
| 00:44.35 | cladhaire | the capability has been added so we can update AceLibrary, in the case of a major issue |
| 00:44.54 | ckknight | well, I mean, if there turns out to be a bug in the function, I can update just AceLibrary, not every single lib I made |
| 00:45.08 | cladhaire | but again, why your function |
| 00:45.09 | cladhaire | why not mine? |
| 00:45.16 | cladhaire | I have functinos I put in every library. |
| 00:45.41 | ckknight | like what? |
| 00:45.43 | ckknight | I might use em |
| 00:45.56 | cladhaire | that's not the point |
| 00:46.04 | ckknight | says you |
| 00:46.04 | cladhaire | you're missing the point =) Where does it stop. |
| 00:46.13 | cladhaire | no, says the design of the library. |
| 00:46.14 | ckknight | when all the bases are covered |
| 00:46.23 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 00:48.30 | ckknight | I don't really see what's wrong with my philosophy |
| 00:48.36 | ckknight | it makes things standardized |
| 00:48.55 | cladhaire | Yes, but your standard. |
| 00:48.57 | cladhaire | not everyone agrees with it. |
| 00:49.28 | ckknight | I'm happy to debate the standard |
| 00:49.34 | ckknight | and change if necessary |
| 00:49.47 | ckknight | mine currently work so that they fit in with Blizzard's errors |
| 00:50.21 | cladhaire | AceLibrary is for versioning, and versioning alone. If you want me to change the name so there is no confusion I can. |
| 00:50.51 | ckknight | it is kinda confusing, honestly |
| 00:51.03 | ckknight | but I'm not sure a name change is warranted |
| 00:51.03 | cladhaire | well its not meant for anyone but the developer |
| 00:51.12 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:51.17 | cladhaire | and you check the embed out from the library |
| 00:51.18 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:51.28 | cladhaire | AceLibStub was annoying, AceStub is stupider. |
| 00:51.31 | cladhaire | we can change it *shrug* |
| 00:51.37 | cladhaire | but its versioning alone at this moment. |
| 00:51.43 | Mikma | mm, baileys |
| 00:51.54 | ckknight | good stuff, there, Mikma |
| 00:51.57 | cladhaire | kergoth: Hey, can you look at this code (particularly the bin2dec bullshit) and see if there's anything I could have done easier? kergoth: Can you look at this and see if I missed something basic |
| 00:52.14 | Mikma | too bad it's ending soon, but it's still delicious <3 |
| 00:52.28 | ckknight | I kinda took AceLibrary to be the basis which libraries use and base themselves on |
| 00:54.20 | cladhaire | Not at all |
| 00:54.26 | cladhaire | that would be a full fledged class. |
| 00:54.38 | cladhaire | AceLibraryClass perhaps? |
| 00:54.42 | cladhaire | where your code would fit brilliantly |
| 00:54.50 | cladhaire | along with a few other functions =) |
| 00:55.21 | ckknight | guess so |
| 00:56.01 | ckknight | part of me wishes that OO were just in Lua by default |
| 00:56.08 | ckknight | or that WoW used Python instead |
| 00:56.11 | cladhaire | At this point we're still deciding whether to put AceLibrary.lua, and AceOO.lua in the same file, or make them seperate. Likely those two will go together |
| 00:56.11 | ckknight | now that'd be sweet |
| 00:56.14 | cladhaire | eff python imo =) |
| 00:56.18 | cladhaire | python couldn't handle WoW |
| 00:56.29 | ckknight | I handled your mom pretty good last night |
| 00:56.34 | ckknight | why can't python handle WoW? |
| 00:56.44 | cladhaire | efficiency |
| 00:56.53 | ckknight | there is that |
| 00:56.57 | cladhaire | there's a reason its not embedded as a standard in games =) |
| 00:57.01 | cladhaire | python is great |
| 00:57.01 | ckknight | but Python's not as bad as you think |
| 00:57.06 | cladhaire | but LUA is the right answer for this job |
| 00:57.09 | ckknight | cladhaire, like how it's not embedded into Civ4? |
| 00:57.10 | cladhaire | I know it isn't =) |
| 00:57.11 | ckknight | oh wait. |
| 00:57.14 | cladhaire | but it isn't lua |
| 00:57.36 | cladhaire | ckknight: Civ4 isn't exactly a taxing game on my mid-range system =) |
| 00:57.52 | ckknight | alright |
| 00:58.05 | cladhaire | you missed the convo earlier in wowi-lounge |
| 00:58.07 | ckknight | which means that Python's not doing too bad a job |
| 00:58.10 | ckknight | yes, guess so |
| 00:58.13 | ckknight | what was it about? |
| 00:58.13 | cladhaire | i support the right language for the right job |
| 00:58.16 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:58.19 | cladhaire | and i know many many languages |
| 00:58.20 | ckknight | yea, as do I |
| 00:58.23 | cladhaire | Python is my next foray =) |
| 00:58.31 | cladhaire | I haven't worked with it as much as I should |
| 00:58.33 | cladhaire | just basic things. |
| 00:58.34 | ckknight | I just don't think that Python would've been a _bad_ language for WoW |
| 00:58.44 | cladhaire | No, but I think LUA was better =) |
| 00:58.56 | ckknight | not saying it would've been the best |
| 00:59.06 | Thrae | cladhaire: I remember someone doing some test and found there was a small, tiny overhead to keeping separate lua files. |
| 00:59.07 | ckknight | and I'm not 100% positive that Lua is |
| 00:59.12 | cladhaire | especially given the structure, and the fact that the WoW developers obviously didn't worry about OO at all.. it would have been trivial for some of their work to implement |
| 00:59.16 | cladhaire | Thrae: I think that all turned out to be a lie =) |
| 00:59.28 | Thrae | It's anecdotal evidence! |
| 00:59.41 | ckknight | remember: the plural of anecdote is not data |
| 00:59.45 | cladhaire | Thrae: Numbers =) I like, and support numbers =) |
| 00:59.49 | cladhaire | ckknight: lol |
| 01:00.01 | Thrae | cladhaire: I think we need to separate the WoW developers and the WoW scripters ;) |
| 01:00.27 | cladhaire | ckknight: I agree with you, Python isn't bad and wouldn't have been a horrible decision-- but I support the decision to embed lua in WoW and a number of different applications. |
| 01:00.30 | ckknight | if people had been given an OO framework to work with for WoW scripting, I think many of the scripts could be better |
| 01:00.41 | ckknight | yea, it's okay |
| 01:01.13 | Thrae | Someone new bittorrent technology, which originated in python ;) |
| 01:01.21 | ckknight | cladhaire, I don't think we disagree |
| 01:01.30 | ckknight | Thrae, yea, but Bram's code kinda sucked |
| 01:01.56 | Thrae | ckknight: We started off with 'B' before we got to 'C' ;) |
| 01:02.07 | ckknight | next is P |
| 01:02.08 | ckknight | then L |
| 01:02.15 | cladhaire | ckknight: We agree on that OO comment =) |
| 01:02.26 | Thrae | I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to make a 'D' programming language. |
| 01:02.29 | ckknight | they did |
| 01:02.41 | ckknight | you know about BCPL? |
| 01:02.43 | ckknight | btw |
| 01:02.53 | ckknight | D: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ |
| 01:02.54 | Thrae | Baltimore County Public Library? I used to work there! |
| 01:03.18 | ckknight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCPL |
| 01:04.09 | ckknight | basically it went CPL -> BCPL -> B -> C |
| 01:04.49 | ckknight | cladhaire, I recommend you learn python. it's shiny |
| 01:05.28 | cladhaire | ckknight: I plan to learn it more. |
| 01:05.39 | cladhaire | i'm going to write my WDB reader in python |
| 01:05.43 | cladhaire | cause it was far from trivial in lua =) |
| 01:05.50 | Thrae | Python does have Windows compatibility, and I think it's more down-to-earth then Java. |
| 01:05.52 | ckknight | cladhaire, I already wrote one in python ;-) |
| 01:06.05 | ckknight | well, I'm a font of knowledge as far as Python goes |
| 01:06.10 | cladhaire | ckknight: Mind if i look at it .. just to get my feet wet? |
| 01:06.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 01:06.15 | ckknight | it may not work |
| 01:06.19 | ckknight | I translated from PHP |
| 01:06.20 | cladhaire | ckknight: I would use python for GUI applications without a doubt. |
| 01:06.21 | cladhaire | i dont plan to run it |
| 01:06.22 | ckknight | which was shitty |
| 01:06.25 | cladhaire | just look at it =) |
| 01:06.28 | ckknight | sure |
| 01:06.29 | cladhaire | my lua code is shiny tho |
| 01:06.31 | ckknight | don't share |
| 01:06.32 | cladhaire | 255 lines =) |
| 01:06.34 | cladhaire | 8-bit happiness |
| 01:06.45 | cladhaire | ckknight: Not a problem, I appreciat eit. |
| 01:07.29 | ckknight | it's not complete |
| 01:07.33 | ckknight | but it'll give you an idea |
| 01:07.39 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 01:07.46 | ckknight | http://ace.pastebin.com/764197 |
| 01:07.54 | cladhaire | i studied language design and semantics alot =) |
| 01:07.59 | ckknight | and no unneeded OO |
| 01:08.00 | cladhaire | you sure you wanted to pastebin that? |
| 01:08.14 | ckknight | it'll be there for a day |
| 01:08.21 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:08.30 | ckknight | oh noes! |
| 01:08.38 | ckknight | I are foiled! |
| 01:09.11 | cladhaire | ckknight: You're able to pull floats natively? |
| 01:09.11 | ckknight | hooray for copyright law |
| 01:09.17 | ckknight | cladhaire, yea, with struct |
| 01:09.31 | ckknight | it doesn't work that way. |
| 01:09.34 | cladhaire | what along with struct makes that magic happen? |
| 01:09.45 | ckknight | struct is a namespace |
| 01:09.48 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 01:09.49 | cladhaire | got that |
| 01:09.51 | ckknight | struct.unpack('f', string) |
| 01:10.00 | ckknight | string is a 4-byte bitstring |
| 01:10.13 | cladhaire | neat =) |
| 01:10.26 | cladhaire | i bet there's a stdlib for lua that did it.. but i wrote that all from scratch this morning =) |
| 01:10.37 | cladhaire | kergoth: RETURN MY FRIEND! |
| 01:10.37 | ckknight | python has a lot of libs |
| 01:10.47 | ckknight | we love you, kergoth |
| 01:10.51 | ckknight | make love to me, kergoth |
| 01:11.28 | ckknight | cladhaire, you may want to start small, with the fibonacci sequence or something |
| 01:11.33 | cladhaire | I will =) |
| 01:11.34 | cladhaire | have faith :P |
| 01:11.42 | ckknight | lemme hash one out... |
| 01:11.49 | cladhaire | nah dont =) |
| 01:11.49 | Thrae | I think I saw that opera. |
| 01:11.50 | cladhaire | i'll play with it. |
| 01:12.05 | Thrae | It had nerdy guys in glasses screaming at each other in binary. |
| 01:13.50 | ckknight | mwahaha: http://ace.pastebin.com/764202 |
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| 01:14.08 | ckknight | that does it using matrix math |
| 01:14.53 | ckknight | sorry, I had to, cladhaire |
| 01:15.03 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:16.12 | ckknight | there's other ones, using counting or recursion |
| 01:16.32 | ckknight | the matrix one is the fastest without rounding errors |
| 01:16.44 | ckknight | oh, btw, python has proper big integer support |
| 01:18.06 | ckknight | so you can calculate a very very large fibonacci number |
| 01:18.12 | kergoth | yay home |
| 01:18.15 | ckknight | one larget than 2^64 for instance |
| 01:18.21 | ckknight | or 2^10000 |
| 01:18.22 | ckknight | hey kergoth |
| 01:18.51 | kergoth | heh, not used to this. visibility outside is a couple hundred feet at the outside |
| 01:18.56 | kergoth | wall of dust |
| 01:19.02 | kergoth | gotta love living in arizona |
| 01:20.03 | cladhaire | kergoth: ZOMG PAY ATTENTION TO ME |
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| 01:20.13 | cladhaire | lol =) |
| 01:20.15 | kergoth | did someone say something? |
| 01:20.18 | kergoth | :P |
| 01:20.23 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 01:20.26 | purl | My folks were always on me to groom myself and wear underpants. What am I, the pope? |
| 01:20.29 | ckknight | you two have issues |
| 01:20.38 | cladhaire | haha |
| 01:20.46 | cladhaire | kergoth: http://pastebin.ca/62712 |
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| 01:20.59 | cladhaire | i need a way to pull 4byte integers, floats, etc. |
| 01:21.04 | cladhaire | is it anywhere in stdlib? |
| 01:21.17 | cladhaire | i mean i wrote it.. but are there pre-existing functions? |
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| 01:29.00 | kergoth | ckknight, heh, the first thing i thought of when looking at that was pack/unpack too. used to use it a lot in perl |
| 01:29.12 | kergoth | cladhaire, i dont know of anything standard for that offhand |
| 01:29.51 | CIA-17 | 03silverwind * r2433 10RepToGo/ (RepToGo.lua RepToGo.toc): |
| 01:29.51 | CIA-17 | RepToGo : v8.1 |
| 01:29.51 | CIA-17 | - Mysterious bug with messages not appearing temporary fixed by reverting back to older code |
| 01:29.52 | cladhaire | kergoth: Maybe there should be =) |
| 01:30.05 | cladhaire | kergoth: Any magical ideas to detect endian-ness? |
| 01:30.51 | ckknight | unless you have a definite sequence FFFE vs. FEFF, I can't think so |
| 01:31.05 | kergoth | from lua? nope, hard to test it without pointers, really. you cant exactly look at the actual in memory representation of something |
| 01:31.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:31.24 | cladhaire | kergoth: you can write a file, then read a file =) |
| 01:31.31 | cladhaire | but thats horrible =) |
| 01:32.37 | kergoth | aha, i knew i remember seeing it. someone did do a pack/unpack |
| 01:32.39 | kergoth | but its in C |
| 01:32.40 | kergoth | http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaPack |
| 01:33.09 | cladhaire | i could ask HF for his pack/unpack lib =) |
| 01:33.14 | cladhaire | s/HF/LHF/ |
| 01:33.45 | cladhaire | i wonder if that was native |
| 01:34.23 | kergoth | ask? :P |
| 01:34.24 | kergoth | cladhaire, http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/~lhf/ftp/lua/ |
| 01:34.31 | kergoth | his stuff is there, including pack |
| 01:34.37 | kergoth | and lposix, which is quite nice |
| 01:34.45 | kergoth | want to add clock_gettime to that one of these days |
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| 01:37.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:38.44 | Kaelten | back |
| 01:38.56 | kergoth | hey kael |
| 01:39.25 | Kaelten | hey ker |
| 01:40.40 | cladhaire | kergoth: Aah, LHF's is in C as well |
| 01:40.58 | kergoth | yep, all of his stuff is |
| 01:40.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:41.14 | kergoth | hehe, i hear the original door opening sound effect from doom & doom 2 in such odd places |
| 01:41.18 | kergoth | they just used it in this south park episode |
| 01:41.30 | cladhaire | well his requires setting the BIG_ENDIAN flag, so I dont mind requiring that either |
| 01:41.42 | cladhaire | maybe i'll do some lua native implementations of the same |
| 01:42.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.23 | kergoth | not sure if its standard, but he may be using that |
| 01:43.32 | cladhaire | he just has a test for it. |
| 01:44.58 | ckknight | some are byte-sexual/endian-agnostic |
| 01:45.29 | ckknight | PPC for instance |
| 01:46.47 | cladhaire | hehe =) |
| 01:46.49 | cladhaire | okay folks |
| 01:46.52 | cladhaire | its bedtime for Cladhaire. |
| 01:47.07 | ckknight | but you just got here |
| 01:47.45 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 01:47.48 | cladhaire | i know my time is precious and few. |
| 01:55.26 | cladhaire | night all |
| 02:01.05 | Mikma | yesh, finally i got on top for Forlorn Ridge, now gn |
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| 02:13.46 | Tekkub | KAEL!!!!! |
| 02:15.16 | ckknight | hey Tekkub |
| 02:17.00 | Tekkub | oreo? |
| 02:26.00 | ckknight | I updated my libs and such |
| 02:28.56 | kergoth | the fubar nanostats plugin is great |
| 02:29.00 | kergoth | ~hug Neronix`sleep |
| 02:29.02 | purl | ACTION hugs Neronix`sleep |
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| 02:50.10 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2434 10FuBarPlugin-1.2/Lib/FuBarPlugin-1.2.lua: FuBarPlugin-1.2 - updated argument checking |
| 02:51.45 | ckknight | btw, to give my opinion, I think yes, the OO framework should be packaged with AceLibrary |
| 03:13.04 | Tekkub | wewt, no more MSN messenger for me! |
| 03:14.55 | ckknight | yay |
| 03:15.58 | hyperChipmunk | and there was much rejoicing |
| 03:17.16 | Kaelten | did clad ever say what was up with the websvn? |
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| 03:21.37 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.51 | Galka | <3 |
| 03:21.53 | Tekkub | no Kael, you get dolby to run that command yet? |
| 03:21.59 | Tekkub | pester him again! |
| 03:22.25 | Kaelten | he's trying to run it as a wget and says its not working which isn't a suprise |
| 03:23.10 | Tekkub | so what you're saying is... "no" |
| 03:24.35 | Kaelten | well I'm really not sure how to run a php file via the command lin either |
| 03:25.29 | Codayus | Pass the file name to the php executable as an argument, if you're php install is set up that way. |
| 03:25.30 | ckknight | php file.php |
| 03:25.33 | Tekkub | well.... figger it out already! |
| 03:25.36 | ckknight | you need to compile php-cli |
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| 03:31.54 | Kyahx | hmm |
| 03:32.32 | Tekkub | is it done yet? |
| 03:33.03 | Kyahx | lol |
| 03:33.04 | Kyahx | I just got home >.< |
| 03:33.15 | Kyahx | However, I have a nice new 26' LCD HDTV =) |
| 03:33.32 | Tekkub | nice |
| 03:33.42 | Tekkub | we're debating cancelling cable TV |
| 03:33.58 | Tekkub | we record at most 3hr of TV a week, when BSG/SG1/SGA are in season |
| 03:33.59 | ckknight | do it. |
| 03:34.04 | Tekkub | TV costs more than net |
| 03:34.06 | ckknight | just cancel it |
| 03:34.22 | Wobin | yeah, download it =) |
| 03:34.23 | Tekkub | I honestly don't see battlestar being worth $5/mo |
| 03:34.23 | Kyahx | I hooked my PC up to it, and now my eyes hurt, lol |
| 03:34.25 | Wobin | much easier |
| 03:34.32 | Kyahx | too big too close |
| 03:34.35 | Wobin | hehe |
| 03:34.38 | Wobin | geek =) |
| 03:34.38 | Tekkub | yea we already download 2/3 of what we watch... |
| 03:34.46 | Tekkub | anime + Dr. Who |
| 03:34.52 | Wobin | Brilliant! |
| 03:35.00 | Tekkub | (new who, not one season on SciFi Who |
| 03:35.10 | Wobin | I like 10 |
| 03:35.12 | Tekkub | *one season old |
| 03:35.14 | Wobin | or is it nine? |
| 03:35.23 | Tekkub | nine? |
| 03:35.33 | Wobin | Number of Doctor |
| 03:35.59 | Wobin | The big grinny new Doctor |
| 03:36.21 | Tekkub | which one? Echelwhatereson or Tennant? |
| 03:36.34 | Tekkub | seanson one or two? |
| 03:36.40 | Tekkub | god I can't type |
| 03:36.47 | Wobin | Eccleston |
| 03:36.59 | Tekkub | he was good, too bad he was only one season |
| 03:37.06 | Kyahx | ok, the onvelty has work off, I need to put my real moniter back on |
| 03:37.06 | Wobin | yeah =( |
| 03:37.09 | Kyahx | novelty* |
| 03:37.15 | Kyahx | then maybe I'll try to get some codeing done |
| 03:37.22 | Tekkub | but Tennant is good too |
| 03:37.46 | Tekkub | best part is he has this great scottish accent and he lets it out in one episode |
| 03:38.05 | Tekkub | Kya, make a PVR box for that monitor |
| 03:38.18 | Tekkub | our is beautiful on our, what is it.. 23"? |
| 03:38.23 | Tekkub | maybe 25" |
| 03:38.25 | Tekkub | I forget |
| 03:38.55 | Tain | I have my new 37" LCD HDTV but still setting up things, don't have a couch to sit and watch it on. |
| 03:39.36 | Tekkub | Tain, I can hook you up with some primo high quality milk crates |
| 03:39.50 | Tain | I loves me some milk crate furniture! |
| 03:40.11 | Tekkub | modularity at it's best |
| 03:41.50 | Tain | This may be the first place I've ever lived that I don't have milk crates doing something. |
| 03:43.06 | Tekkub | LOLOMGWTF! |
| 03:43.08 | Tekkub | warn1= "Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - Pleasure!", |
| 03:43.08 | Tekkub | warn2= "Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 5~ sec!", |
| 03:43.08 | Tekkub | warn3= "Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 10~ sec!", |
| 03:43.13 | Tekkub | I love you guys |
| 03:51.04 | ckknight | lol |
| 03:51.08 | ckknight | who did that? |
| 03:53.33 | Tekkub | I don't know, who made the C'thun module? |
| 03:54.19 | Tekkub | nonetheless it's oh so appropriate... our guild "inside joke" is to keep Gnoob (raidleader/MT) away from tentacles or he'll have too much fun |
| 03:54.30 | Tekkub | and that joke started long before AQ was out |
| 03:59.09 | Wobin | BEIJING (Reuters) - China opposes the "rude interference" of the United States in calling for a full accounting of the crackdown on the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, the official Xinhua news agency said on Wednesday. |
| 03:59.20 | Wobin | Cause the US public has a RIGHT to KNOW! |
| 04:00.09 | Tain | Stupid US, always poking their nose in. |
| 04:00.24 | ckknight | ya |
| 04:00.28 | hyperChipmunk | not that I know anything about it, but I'd be willing to bet it's not the US public that they're in interested in having it accounted to |
| 04:00.28 | Kaelten | you know if you chemically casterated all males in high ranking goverment positions we'd probably all get along better |
| 04:00.47 | ckknight | US should just close their eyes and keep buying Chinese goods |
| 04:01.15 | Wobin | Chipper: Heh, the thing is, what can they do about it? Invade China to protect the poor students? |
| 04:01.20 | ckknight | Kaelten, not having to worry about sex would be nice for some |
| 04:02.12 | Kaelten | follow up by decreasing the testosterone levels and we may have a winner |
| 04:02.16 | hyperChipmunk | 'calling for' is hardly 'rude interference' |
| 04:02.24 | Wobin | "The U.S. urges China to provide a full accounting of the thousands who were killed, detained, or went missing and of the government role in the massacre," spokesman Sean McCormack said in a statement. |
| 04:02.41 | Wobin | China considers the incident history and closed to further questions. |
| 04:02.41 | hyperChipmunk | I urge China to do that too |
| 04:03.09 | hyperChipmunk | doesn't mean they have to do it |
| 04:03.21 | hyperChipmunk | or even that i think its any of my business |
| 04:03.41 | Wobin | Exactly |
| 04:04.04 | Wobin | Why should the US have any right to 'urge' another country for any sort of accounting? |
| 04:04.14 | hyperChipmunk | why shouldn't they |
| 04:04.24 | Wobin | Especially for something that isn't even remotely involved with the US |
| 04:04.34 | Wobin | Cause they're nosy fuckers =P |
| 04:04.36 | hyperChipmunk | you can urge all the heck you want |
| 04:04.45 | Wobin | That's where the rudeness comes in |
| 04:04.59 | Tekkub | you should try living in the south |
| 04:05.05 | Wobin | China is basically saying "Go mind your own bloody business" |
| 04:05.08 | Tekkub | god noone here keeps to themselves |
| 04:05.27 | Wobin | China doesn't have to account for -anything- |
| 04:05.33 | Wobin | Especially not to the US |
| 04:05.50 | Wobin | So why should China be expected to respond to the US's urgings? |
| 04:05.51 | hyperChipmunk | yea, well China woudln't have to tell anybody anything if they didn't go around killing civilian protestors |
| 04:06.00 | Wobin | Hah |
| 04:06.04 | hyperChipmunk | they aren't expected |
| 04:06.15 | Wobin | China -wouldn't- tell anyone if they went around killing civillian protesters |
| 04:06.21 | hyperChipmunk | you're missing the difference between 'urging' and 'coercing' |
| 04:06.26 | Wobin | (and are there military protesters? =P) |
| 04:06.35 | Wobin | Well that's why China is saying they're rude |
| 04:06.46 | hyperChipmunk | tough cookies |
| 04:07.12 | Wobin | America should just tone their ego down a bit =P |
| 04:07.19 | hyperChipmunk | grow some thicker skin, or don't do anything you'd want to hide |
| 04:07.39 | Wobin | That's not even the point =P |
| 04:08.08 | Kaelten | you know its amazing I only have 5 addons installed atm and I have no lag on KCET |
| 04:08.26 | Tekkub | that's amazing? |
| 04:08.26 | Wobin | The point is, why should America have -any- right to ask for any sort of accounting? It's not like they had any involvement in the issue |
| 04:08.35 | Tekkub | Wob... |
| 04:08.38 | Tekkub | shut up |
| 04:08.47 | Wobin | Thank you Tekk |
| 04:08.50 | Tekkub | america is stupid, we've established this |
| 04:08.53 | Kaelten | ya it is fairly amazing to me that I'd go from having a decent amount of lag to none |
| 04:09.17 | Wobin | So it's th eother addons that are causing lag in KCET? |
| 04:09.21 | hyperChipmunk | you kill your citizens and someone is rude to you; deal with it |
| 04:09.38 | Kaelten | wobin: or are at least contributing to it |
| 04:10.04 | Kaelten | I have Ace, AceGUI KCI KCET and KCPFP and FuBar(no mods) and I have no lag |
| 04:10.32 | Wobin | I always encountered some lag with opening and closing my tradeskills... especially for engineering |
| 04:10.37 | Kaelten | I'm redoing my addons, even thoguh I'll have many of the same |
| 04:10.48 | hyperChipmunk | they should have considered that it might cause a little bit of international unrest BEFORE they drove the tanks through that place, if that kind of thing bothers them |
| 04:10.48 | Kaelten | I'm about to switch to my 300 engineer to test it on him |
| 04:11.01 | Wobin | Chip: China doesn't give a shit =P |
| 04:11.27 | hyperChipmunk | so what's the big deal? |
| 04:11.34 | Wobin | Kaelten: Basically cause I hardly ever scroll through my entire list at any one time |
| 04:11.36 | Kaelten | Oh and I finally fixed that annoying nil on first install bug |
| 04:11.47 | Wobin | Chip: Nothing. Just establishing that the US are nosy bastards |
| 04:12.19 | Wobin | Kaelten: So, it -seems- that it lags all the time, due to the fact that I'm kinda updating the cache each time I try something new |
| 04:12.24 | hyperChipmunk | you kill my brother while he's at your house, I'd be interested in knowing what happened, too |
| 04:12.38 | Wobin | And what are you going to do about it? |
| 04:12.53 | Wobin | Offer a strongly worded letter to your rep? |
| 04:12.56 | Tekkub | bitch a lot |
| 04:13.01 | Tekkub | that's what we do |
| 04:13.05 | Wobin | exactly |
| 04:13.22 | hyperChipmunk | I wouldn't sit down and say it isn't any of my business |
| 04:13.29 | Kaelten | well my 300 engineer has a little bit of lag |
| 04:13.31 | Kaelten | but not much |
| 04:14.04 | Tekkub | anyway, I hate to act like an american, but just STFU you two |
| 04:14.15 | Wobin | I've said my piece =P |
| 04:14.16 | Galka | Hey, how late are Wendys open until? |
| 04:14.22 | Galka | Drive thru. |
| 04:14.23 | Tekkub | I though we agreed some time back to keep stupid shit like politics out of this channel |
| 04:14.23 | Galka | 1 am? |
| 04:14.38 | Tekkub | 1am usually sausageboy |
| 04:14.55 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, oh, Americans were involved in the Tiananmen protest? |
| 04:14.57 | Kaelten | well if it gets any more aggressive we'll all have 5 mins of quite time :) |
| 04:15.05 | Kaelten | polotics are always a touchy subject |
| 04:15.16 | hyperChipmunk | wob brought it up; I just think if you kill people, then all bets are off |
| 04:15.18 | Tekkub | I hate water polotics the most |
| 04:15.38 | Kaelten | shut up, I know I misspell a lot of stuff |
| 04:15.44 | Kaelten | especially when I'm tired |
| 04:15.45 | Kaelten | :) |
| 04:15.46 | Tekkub | yea I dew tew |
| 04:15.54 | Tekkub | I spell better when I'm drunk |
| 04:15.59 | Kaelten | heh |
| 04:16.05 | Wobin | Meh. Americans should have diplomatic and legal immunity wherever they go, in case they run into trouble, see =P |
| 04:16.13 | Tekkub | I think it's cause I have to take the time to think about typing an dthen pay attention to the buttons I'm hitting |
| 04:16.17 | Wobin | And they run under a tank |
| 04:16.19 | Tekkub | I also type slower too tho |
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| 04:18.11 | hyperChipmunk | if the U.S. started whackin its own citizens, not only would they not get defensive if another country objected, they'd be up to their ears in dealing with their own citizens |
| 04:18.20 | Kaelten | wobin: I think a good chunk of lag thats generated from KCET is due to alts' data processing |
| 04:18.37 | ckknight_ | hyperChipmunk, you don't think some people (the south) would praise the government for it? |
| 04:18.53 | Wobin | Kaelten: Can that be turned off? |
| 04:19.22 | Wobin | That's the thing about China. There are always enough people. |
| 04:20.03 | Kaelten | well it can be turned off but currently it doesn't actually stop the number pulling which is where the lag comes from |
| 04:20.11 | Kaelten | so I'm going to disable that if that options disabled. |
| 04:20.29 | hyperChipmunk | ckknight_: they'd be the first to take up arms; they tend to have a good sense of nobility about that sort of thing |
| 04:20.52 | ckknight_ | hyperChipmunk, but America was protecting the homeland from the terrorists |
| 04:21.54 | hyperChipmunk | they don't care who it is; if it's threatening an american citizen's right to live as they please, they'll fight it |
| 04:22.13 | hyperChipmunk | even if it's their own gov't; thing is, the gov't is very much of the same mind |
| 04:22.14 | Tekkub | hC, bullshit |
| 04:22.24 | ckknight_ | total bullshit |
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| 04:22.46 | Tekkub | I've yet to see anyone fight for my right to marry |
| 04:22.51 | ckknight_ | if the evil, gay, atheist liberals die, then how much do you really think they'd care? |
| 04:23.08 | Tekkub | don't forget the black women |
| 04:23.13 | ckknight_ | nah |
| 04:23.14 | Wobin | They're 'subversive', see? |
| 04:23.19 | ckknight_ | too un-PC |
| 04:23.20 | Tekkub | and all hispanics.. I mean mexicans |
| 04:23.30 | ckknight_ | yea, they're flooding the border |
| 04:23.32 | Wobin | Pigmentally Advanced |
| 04:23.33 | ckknight_ | stealing all the good jobs |
| 04:23.47 | hyperChipmunk | k, I worded that badly; I'm not talking about lifestyle, I'm talking about life |
| 04:23.49 | ckknight_ | America should just set up machine guns |
| 04:24.04 | ckknight_ | hyperChipmunk, once again, if the gay liberals die, will the South care? |
| 04:24.19 | Tekkub | hC, wob... just drop it or take it elsewhere |
| 04:24.21 | ckknight_ | I mean, it was God's will to kill em |
| 04:24.31 | Wobin | I stopped ages ago =P |
| 04:24.32 | hyperChipmunk | you kill an American, the south will string you out for the crows |
| 04:24.37 | Tekkub | cause I'm sick of listening to it |
| 04:24.38 | Tekkub | :P |
| 04:24.53 | ckknight_ | my point is: the South isn't as proactive as you believe |
| 04:25.09 | Tekkub | the south... erm... gets drunk and plays with guns |
| 04:25.14 | ckknight_ | and what if that American happened to be Muslim? |
| 04:25.19 | Tekkub | that's the best way I can descrbe it... |
| 04:25.36 | Tekkub | and yea, I live in the south now |
| 04:25.41 | hyperChipmunk | ckknight_: what difference does that maek? |
| 04:25.51 | Tekkub | aside from the rather high "bubba" population I don't like it much |
| 04:25.53 | Wobin | He's a terrorist, obviously |
| 04:25.55 | ckknight_ | hyperChipmunk, well, Muslims are out to destroy America, obviously |
| 04:26.07 | ckknight_ | so why would they care if one was killed in America's name? |
| 04:26.24 | Tekkub | the hubby calls my choice in bears "bubbas" |
| 04:26.33 | Tekkub | granted, his sister calls him bubba so... |
| 04:26.34 | CIA-17 | 03kaelten * r2435 10KC_EnhancedTrades/enhancedtrades.lua: |
| 04:26.34 | CIA-17 | KC_EnhancedTrades: Changed the default value of "Show I+v+b+alts" to false. If |
| 04:26.34 | CIA-17 | you wish to see this value you will have to enable it. It does cause more lag |
| 04:26.34 | CIA-17 | so you may only to use this as you need. Also optimized the builddata function |
| 04:26.34 | CIA-17 | so that it will cause less lag when alts is disabled. |
| 04:26.37 | hyperChipmunk | dude, muslim americans are the most vehement of the retaliatiors to that sort of thing |
| 04:26.48 | ckknight_ | you think the South believes that? |
| 04:26.51 | ckknight_ | where do you live? |
| 04:27.00 | Wobin | Tekkub: Is that merely due to lack of available bearpool, that your choices are likely to be bubbas? =P |
| 04:27.11 | Tekkub | I think it's my choices |
| 04:27.14 | Kaelten | what do you guys think about the idea of me splitting KC_Items up |
| 04:27.15 | Tekkub | I like big and furry |
| 04:27.25 | hyperChipmunk | Detroit; my girlfriend is from Alabama. I get both sides: the largest muslim-american population is about 20 mi. east of where I live |
| 04:27.25 | Wobin | Kaelten: Into? |
| 04:27.30 | Tekkub | and, at least round here, those allseem to be a tad slow in the brain too :) |
| 04:27.30 | Kaelten | having the core module and then addon modules for poeple to download and install seperately |
| 04:27.42 | Tekkub | throw in a southern accent too, bubbaism |
| 04:28.08 | Wobin | What's the core functionality? |
| 04:28.14 | Tekkub | there was a cute one at work tonight |
| 04:28.18 | Kaelten | modulization code basically |
| 04:28.27 | Tekkub | he had this single white hair in his beard on his chin |
| 04:28.31 | Tekkub | is was soooo cute |
| 04:28.32 | Kaelten | by itself it wouldn't actually do much of anything |
| 04:28.36 | Tekkub | I wanted to rip it out |
| 04:28.48 | Wobin | Maybe have the core with one functionality |
| 04:29.02 | Wobin | Whatever one you consider the heart |
| 04:29.12 | Kaelten | maybe, I might keep tooltip info as part of the core, and eventually a gui component |
| 04:29.26 | Wobin | Otherwise it'll be like Ace =) |
| 04:29.36 | ckknight_ | if they find a terrorist who is an American citizen, living in say, Buffalo, New York, do you really think people will take up arms to make sure he isn't imprisoned/killed? |
| 04:29.41 | Wobin | useless on it's own, and requiring more than one mouseclick/download to be useful |
| 04:29.48 | Kaelten | but it'd allow me to seperate off some modules and make them LoD |
| 04:30.05 | Kaelten | hehe, true wobin |
| 04:30.20 | Kaelten | well guys I'm off to bed |
| 04:30.21 | Kaelten | gnight |
| 04:30.24 | Wobin | night Kael |
| 04:31.27 | ckknight | Thiana, what? |
| 04:31.58 | Thiana | ckknight: If you branch to upgrade a lib, dont use the lib in the trunk :-P |
| 04:32.04 | ckknight | I tagged it |
| 04:32.12 | ckknight | I merged the branch to the trunk |
| 04:32.16 | Wobin | yargh |
| 04:32.18 | ckknight | I made sure it worked and all |
| 04:32.22 | ckknight | that's the point of branching |
| 04:32.25 | Wobin | Shag needs to learn how to embed libraries |
| 04:32.27 | ckknight | for eventual merging |
| 04:32.27 | Thiana | Not as of 2-3 hours ago. |
| 04:32.42 | Wobin | I -really- dislike mods that have 5 folders in the base |
| 04:33.02 | Wobin | Makes it too hard to track down =( |
| 04:33.03 | ckknight | Thiana, I don't know what the problem is |
| 04:33.08 | Tekkub | why wob? that's what I do |
| 04:33.15 | Thiana | r2431 still is 1.1, not 1.2 which you altered a bunch of your plugins to require |
| 04:33.29 | Tekkub | but I don't usually make my modules into folders |
| 04:33.35 | Thiana | Makes no sense to alter the addons before you merge the branch into the trunk. |
| 04:33.43 | ckknight | Thiana, FuBar cannot change its libs, I promised a freeze |
| 04:33.56 | ckknight | Thiana, the plugins embed the new versions of BabbleLib inside them |
| 04:33.59 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download4835-HealSync |
| 04:33.59 | ckknight | what's the problem? |
| 04:34.08 | Wobin | have a look at that structure, Tekkub |
| 04:34.15 | ckknight | I already merged the branch into trunk |
| 04:34.16 | Thiana | You didnt update the externals to embed the new version... |
| 04:34.17 | Tekkub | *looks* |
| 04:34.27 | ckknight | Thiana, for FuBar, it's stuck at 1.1 |
| 04:34.34 | ckknight | Thiana, not trunk |
| 04:34.44 | Tekkub | oh icee, non-embedded libraries |
| 04:34.47 | Wobin | yeah |
| 04:34.53 | Tekkub | yea, embeds are the wave of the future |
| 04:34.57 | ckknight | totally |
| 04:35.12 | ckknight | I want Ace2, so I can release FuBar2 |
| 04:35.17 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.19 | ckknight | I don't really want to release FuBar 1.4 |
| 04:35.31 | Tekkub | how bout just Fu2? |
| 04:35.32 | Thiana | *sigh* Make a fresh install of fubar/etc from the trunk. Then try run it. FuBar wont run at all because 1.2 isnt included because it's not merged into the trunk at all. |
| 04:35.33 | Tekkub | FuTu |
| 04:35.54 | Tekkub | at least use FuBarTu |
| 04:35.57 | Tekkub | :) |
| 04:36.04 | ckknight | FuBar doesn't use BabbleLib 1.2 |
| 04:36.39 | Thiana | Well FuBar wont start without it because you changed a bunch of your addons in trunk to use it. So the panel doesnt show at all when it cant find the 1.2 babble |
| 04:36.50 | Tekkub | hey ckk, you should have made them seperate paths... |
| 04:37.07 | Tekkub | I plan on making Lib2 for mine and leaving thi Lib there for v1 |
| 04:37.16 | Tekkub | else I'll break people's externals |
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| 04:38.25 | ckknight_ | grr |
| 04:38.29 | Thiana | *sigh* Make a fresh install of fubar/etc from the trunk. Then try run it. FuBar wont run at all because 1.2 isnt included because it's not merged into the trunk at all. |
| 04:38.30 | Thiana | Well FuBar wont start without it because you changed a bunch of your addons in trunk to use it. So the panel doesnt show at all when it cant find the 1.2 babble |
| 04:38.43 | Tekkub | <Tekkub> hey ckk, you should have made them seperate paths... |
| 04:38.44 | Tekkub | <Tekkub> I plan on making Lib2 for mine and leaving thi Lib there for v1 |
| 04:38.44 | Tekkub | <Tekkub> else I'll break people's externals |
| 04:38.56 | ckknight_ | Tekkub, *shrug* |
| 04:38.58 | ckknight_ | too late now |
| 04:39.09 | ckknight_ | things have been paved down in the name of progress |
| 04:39.10 | Tekkub | basically I intend to make a new folder for every major version |
| 04:39.25 | Thiana | That is the more sensible way to do it. |
| 04:39.49 | Tekkub | yea but if you break the externals with a new major version number that totally defeats the point of the embed versioning system and the externals |
| 04:39.55 | ckknight_ | hrm |
| 04:39.58 | ckknight_ | I suppose |
| 04:40.23 | ckknight_ | Thiana, fresh FuBar, no errors |
| 04:40.32 | Thiana | Install plugins :-P |
| 04:40.35 | Tekkub | I'm not saying progress is bad, I'm saying changing the major version of something that's in someone else's externals is bad |
| 04:40.57 | Thiana | "[21:12-124] Cannot find library instance with version 'Zone 1.2'\ |
| 04:40.57 | Thiana | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.57 | Thiana | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.57 | Thiana | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.57 | Thiana | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.59 | Thiana | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.01 | Thiana | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.14 | Tekkub | consider it an "internal branch" that doesn't get merged over the other major version :) |
| 04:41.15 | Thiana | ^^^ is from r2431 |
| 04:41.19 | ckknight_ | Thiana, what addons do you have enabled? |
| 04:41.34 | Thiana | Pretty much all the FuBar_* from trunk. |
| 04:42.11 | ckknight_ | I'm not gonna backtrack for BabbleLib |
| 04:42.19 | Thiana | RestFu for example is babble 1.2 |
| 04:42.21 | ckknight_ | but for future libs, I'll probably do what you said, Tekkub |
| 04:42.44 | Thiana | And TopScoreFu |
| 04:42.47 | Tekkub | what's the diff with 1.2 anyway? |
| 04:42.55 | ckknight_ | Tekkub, shiny stuff |
| 04:42.59 | ckknight_ | major breakage of stuff |
| 04:43.08 | Tekkub | the not-caps indexes? |
| 04:43.12 | Thiana | And HonorFu |
| 04:43.14 | ckknight_ | local S = BabbleLib:GetInstance("Spell 1.2") |
| 04:43.22 | ckknight_ | S"Power Word: Shield" |
| 04:43.29 | ckknight_ | and such |
| 04:43.29 | Thiana | etc etc |
| 04:43.36 | ckknight_ | Thiana, RestFu works fine |
| 04:43.39 | Tekkub | is that proper lua? |
| 04:43.43 | ckknight_ | yes, Tekkub |
| 04:43.45 | Tekkub | or should it be S("blah") |
| 04:43.57 | ckknight_ | S"string" translates to S("string") |
| 04:44.01 | ckknight_ | works for strings and tables |
| 04:44.06 | ckknight_ | A { thing } |
| 04:44.06 | Tekkub | hrm... never seen that before |
| 04:44.12 | ckknight_ | same as A({ thing }) |
| 04:44.19 | Tekkub | waky |
| 04:44.20 | Thiana | I'm betting you have BabbleLib as a seperate addon which is upgrade to 1.2 ck... |
| 04:44.26 | ckknight_ | no. |
| 04:44.27 | Tekkub | just confuse me more >< |
| 04:44.35 | Thiana | Because RestFu requires 1.2, and it doesnt provide 1.2 Babble. |
| 04:44.37 | ckknight_ | only Ace, FuBar, RestFu is enabld |
| 04:44.54 | ckknight_ | yes it does, Thiana |
| 04:45.11 | ckknight_ | Thiana, update RestFu? |
| 04:45.47 | Wobin | Tekkub: Hehe, that's why I don't take advantage of some of Lua's shortcuts |
| 04:45.53 | Wobin | It makes for harder readablity |
| 04:46.03 | Thiana | [~/src/Ace-SVN]$ find trunk/FuBar_RestFu/ | grep -v /.svn |
| 04:46.03 | Thiana | trunk/FuBar_RestFu/ |
| 04:46.03 | Thiana | trunk/FuBar_RestFu/RestFu.lua |
| 04:46.03 | Thiana | trunk/FuBar_RestFu/icon.tga |
| 04:46.04 | Thiana | trunk/FuBar_RestFu/RestFuLocals.lua |
| 04:46.06 | Thiana | trunk/FuBar_RestFu/FuBar_RestFu.toc |
| 04:46.08 | Thiana | trunk/FuBar_RestFu/README.txt |
| 04:46.10 | Thiana | ^^ No BabbleLib |
| 04:46.35 | ckknight | then why is BabbleLib-Class http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/BabbleLib/Class in its externals? |
| 04:46.43 | Tekkub | hrm... you change something with SetIcon ckk? |
| 04:46.49 | ckknight | Tekkub, maybe? |
| 04:46.59 | ckknight | Tekkub, why, you getting an error? |
| 04:47.03 | Tekkub | got like 4 mods throwing errors about arg2 |
| 04:47.10 | Thiana | Hmm, wait. |
| 04:47.24 | ckknight | Tekkub, which mods? |
| 04:47.40 | Thiana | r2435 imports BabbleLib now |
| 04:47.43 | Tekkub | Friends (Mine) guild (mine) Petition and Location |
| 04:47.49 | ckknight | hrm |
| 04:47.50 | Tekkub | I don't know if you updated those two tho |
| 04:48.15 | ckknight | Petition's not mine |
| 04:48.30 | Thiana | nm ck, apparently you fixed it after 2431 but it doesnt show in the log? |
| 04:48.49 | Tekkub | oh |
| 04:48.55 | ckknight | why aren't you using HEAD, Thiana? |
| 04:49.05 | Tekkub | I like HEAD |
| 04:49.15 | ckknight | found the error in LocationFu, I used TRUE instead of true |
| 04:49.15 | Thiana | 2431 was the head as of 3-4 hours ago :-P Thats when I logged on for a UBRS run |
| 04:49.24 | ckknight | hrm |
| 04:49.25 | Wobin | (You walked into that one, Ck =P) |
| 04:49.30 | Tekkub | hrm, yea updated and location's bitching about the babble version... erf |
| 04:49.51 | ckknight | Wobin, *shrug* |
| 04:50.18 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2436 10FuBar_LocationFu/LocationFu.lua: FuBar_LocationFu - fixed SetIcon bug |
| 04:51.00 | Tekkub | ah yes, guild and friends have TRUE not true |
| 04:51.03 | Tekkub | *fixes |
| 04:52.16 | ckknight | they're not real booleans |
| 04:52.20 | Wobin | when there's true/false? |
| 04:52.33 | Tekkub | yea I don't know why they were being used in the first place |
| 04:52.46 | Tekkub | stupid Garfield |
| 04:53.20 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub 07Tekkub * r2437 10FuBar_GuildFu/GuildFu.lua: FuBar_GuildFu (Tekkub's branch) - Fixed SetIcon bug with latest FuBar |
| 04:53.33 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2438 10FuBarPlugin-1.2/Lib/FuBarPlugin-1.2.lua: FuBarPlugin-1.2 - fixed SetIcon deal for TRUE vs. true |
| 04:53.44 | ckknight | I'll be taking that off on 2.0 |
| 04:54.17 | ckknight | Wobin, TRUE == 1/FALSE == nil |
| 04:54.27 | ckknight | which are logically true and false |
| 04:54.32 | ckknight | but not literally |
| 04:54.43 | Wobin | That's silly when there are booleans available =P |
| 04:55.05 | ckknight | right |
| 04:55.10 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r2439 10/branches/FuBar_FriendsFu/ (FriendsFu.lua FuBar_FriendsFu.toc): |
| 04:55.10 | CIA-17 | FuBar_FriendsFu (Tekkub's branch) |
| 04:55.10 | CIA-17 | - Fixed SetIcon bug with latest FuBar |
| 04:55.10 | CIA-17 | - Added menu option to add target as a friend, if he's befriendable and not already a friend |
| 04:55.10 | ckknight | it has to do with DB stuff and such |
| 04:55.23 | ckknight | if you save FALSE, it's nil |
| 04:55.27 | ckknight | which means it saves space or somethin |
| 04:55.29 | ckknight | something* |
| 04:55.35 | Tekkub | Thi, the log will merge in the branches commit notes too |
| 04:55.39 | ckknight | FuBar's DB relieves issues such as that |
| 04:55.53 | Tekkub | it doesn't show a merge in the log, the two logs themselves get merged |
| 04:56.05 | Kyahx | can I have a function return more than one value? |
| 04:56.09 | ckknight | yes |
| 04:56.11 | ckknight | return alpha, bravo |
| 04:56.20 | ckknight | handy, that |
| 04:56.25 | Tekkub | return this, that, and, theother |
| 04:56.28 | ckknight | it's cheap, too |
| 04:56.32 | ckknight | so don't worry about it |
| 04:56.34 | Thiana | So how do you know when a merge actually occured then? The logs were from before the merge. |
| 04:56.39 | Tekkub | except don't try to use thin and and like that |
| 04:56.57 | ckknight | it doesn't implicitly create a table or anything, Kyahx |
| 04:57.08 | Tekkub | Thi, I always make note in my commit notes if I'm working in a branch (points up) |
| 04:58.13 | Kyahx | kk, I want my ItemInStock() function to return "true, merchantslot", so once the slotID and itemID match, just do a "return true, i"? (does that make sense) |
| 04:58.23 | ckknight | yep. |
| 04:58.35 | Kyahx | and "break" should cause the for, do loop to stop right? |
| 04:58.40 | ckknight | local success, id = ItemInStock() |
| 04:58.41 | Tekkub | kya, you don't need the true, just return the slot |
| 04:58.57 | Tekkub | if noting is returned, nil evaluates as false |
| 04:59.02 | ckknight | that too |
| 04:59.03 | Kyahx | hmmm, good point |
| 05:04.03 | ckknight | and non-nil, non-false evaluate to true |
| 05:04.09 | ckknight | so you can do local id = ItemInStock() |
| 05:04.11 | ckknight | if id ten |
| 05:04.17 | ckknight | if id then* ... end |
| 05:09.44 | Kyahx | ok, I have it opening the merchant, scanning for an item, and then buying the proper slot once it finds it |
| 05:10.01 | Kyahx | I havent gotten then bag scanning working, thats the next function =P |
| 05:10.37 | Tekkub | bag scanning is easy :) |
| 05:10.51 | Tekkub | hell I have an iterator you can use |
| 05:10.55 | Tekkub | *digs* |
| 05:13.59 | Tekkub | http://ace.pastebin.com/764486 |
| 05:14.15 | Tekkub | there, just use fro bag,slot in BagIter() do ... end |
| 05:14.19 | Tekkub | *for |
| 05:14.55 | Kyahx | :( Im confused |
| 05:15.25 | Tekkub | howso? |
| 05:15.40 | Kyahx | How am I going to get an item count out of this? :X |
| 05:16.01 | Wobin | once you match the item, you get the container info on that bagslot |
| 05:16.16 | Wobin | which should return current stacksize |
| 05:16.34 | Tekkub | yea just get a link and stack count, if match add to running total |
| 05:41.25 | Kyahx | ok, now tables |
| 05:41.34 | Kyahx | so FreeRefillsDB is the one that gets saved right? |
| 05:44.41 | Tekkub | if you put in in the toc as a savedvar, yes |
| 05:45.09 | Kyahx | so, I just treat FreeRefillsDB as the table name, and then work with it like I have been doing? |
| 05:45.30 | Tekkub | yea, or you can use AceDB minimally for the profiles |
| 05:45.51 | Tekkub | do the self.db:get(self.profilepath) or whatever and then work with that |
| 05:46.18 | Tekkub | or you could just save based on char+realm in the first place and never worry about the profiles |
| 05:46.44 | Tekkub | I'd go for the no-profiles system myself, but then I don't like AceDB |
| 05:46.58 | Kyahx | I don't honestly understand it :/ |
| 05:47.07 | Kyahx | I get how tables work (atleast I think I do) |
| 05:47.15 | Kyahx | but AceDB seems more complicated than it has to be |
| 05:47.48 | Tekkub | yea that's half the problem |
| 05:47.56 | Tekkub | it tries to do two things basically |
| 05:48.15 | Tekkub | automatically manage profiles (global, per-class and per-char) |
| 05:48.29 | Tekkub | and automagically remove nil index errors |
| 05:49.14 | Tekkub | the main issue with it is how you get-set, creating tables to pass as an arg one time makes for lots of garbage churn |
| 05:51.14 | Kyahx | well, its almost 1am, and I have to be up for work in 5 hours. |
| 05:51.30 | Kyahx | I'll upload what I have to a branch on the SVN if you want to pick it apart |
| 05:51.45 | Kyahx | allthou its going to try to buy 40 sacred candles =P so watch out, hehe |
| 05:52.15 | Kyahx | ok, new question....How do I commit it =P |
| 05:52.19 | Kyahx | Im running Tort |
| 05:52.25 | Wobin | You have an account? |
| 05:52.29 | Kyahx | yep |
| 05:52.31 | Wobin | k |
| 05:52.38 | Wobin | select the folder rightclick |
| 05:53.08 | Wobin | tortSVN->import |
| 05:53.46 | Wobin | You might want to then use 'checkout' afterwards so you can use commit and update |
| 05:54.14 | Kyahx | should I put it in the branches folder, since its not really ready for even beta use? |
| 05:54.28 | haste | trunk is the active dev place |
| 05:54.36 | haste | ie. things aren't always working |
| 05:54.36 | Tekkub | trunk |
| 05:54.43 | Kyahx | mmkay |
| 05:54.55 | Tekkub | branch == "I don't want to mess up trunk with this stuff yet" |
| 05:55.06 | Wobin | and tag = ready for release |
| 05:55.11 | Tekkub | oh or branch == "I changed something in someone else's mod |
| 05:55.26 | Kyahx | allright |
| 05:56.55 | [Ammo] | morning |
| 05:57.09 | [Ammo] | Tekkub: Haste created the Cthun module with the Tentacles |
| 05:57.35 | Tekkub | ^^ he better not change a damn thing |
| 05:57.41 | haste | I have a better local copy now |
| 05:57.43 | Wobin | y'know |
| 05:57.45 | Tekkub | that's the funniest shit I've seen in some time |
| 05:57.46 | haste | which has a correct timer for dark glare |
| 05:58.00 | Tekkub | especially considering our guild think with tentacle hentai |
| 05:58.03 | haste | but I screwed up the tentacle timer instead :p |
| 05:58.03 | Wobin | I appear to be auto unafk'reafking |
| 05:58.19 | haste | Wobin: I've seen that before :o |
| 05:58.20 | Wobin | Or did the tentacle timer screw with you? =) |
| 05:58.27 | haste | maybe that :o |
| 05:58.51 | CIA-17 | 03kyahx * r2440 10FreeRefills/ (. Core.lua FreeRefills.toc Locals.lua): |
| 05:58.51 | CIA-17 | FreeRefills: Unusable at this point, just a commit so I can get feedback on what I'm doing right/wrong. |
| 05:58.51 | CIA-17 | -- Core logic for buying items and scanning bags is complete. |
| 05:59.11 | Kyahx | hmmm, i realize now I should have said "functional" instead of "complete" |
| 05:59.14 | Kyahx | oh well |
| 05:59.17 | [Ammo] | the messages were off, I can't do math :) |
| 06:00.23 | Kyahx | ha, I did SVN keywords wrong |
| 06:00.29 | Kyahx | =/ oh well, its bed time |
| 06:00.34 | haste | SVN keywords are evil :< |
| 06:00.44 | Kyahx | they *seemed* easy enough |
| 06:00.53 | haste | well, they only update when you change the file |
| 06:00.54 | Kyahx | oh well, 4 hours of sleep go go |
| 06:01.07 | haste | so your TOC will become outdated :( |
| 06:06.04 | ckknight | yea, that is an issue, haste |
| 06:06.13 | ckknight | frankly, I don't put much credence into my TOC |
| 06:06.18 | ckknight | because of that |
| 06:09.50 | CIA-17 | 03ammo * r2441 10BigWigs/AQ40/Twins.lua: Bigwigs Twin Emperors: Fixed the XX minutes to Enrage messages, they were off. Bug Exploding nearby warnings only get shown local now. |
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| 06:31.17 | Wobin | yeah =( I was thinking that the new "Getinfofromtoc" functions in 1.11 would allow me to centralise my versioning, but that makes it difficult |
| 06:34.01 | Wobin | I like Flarecde |
| 06:34.05 | Wobin | whoever he or she is |
| 06:36.54 | MoonWolf | hmmm |
| 06:46.55 | Galka | Any Rogues in this channel? |
| 06:48.22 | Elkano | /vanish |
| 06:49.03 | ckknight | ~vanish |
| 06:49.11 | Galka | >.> |
| 06:49.23 | MoonWolf | I have a 45 rogue |
| 06:49.27 | ckknight | purl, vanish is <action>poofs |
| 06:49.29 | purl | okay, ckknight |
| 06:49.33 | ckknight | ~vanish |
| 06:49.35 | purl | ACTION poofs |
| 06:53.48 | Wobin | I'ma rogue |
| 06:54.07 | Wobin | only level 46 thoguh |
| 06:55.13 | [Ammo] | I gank rogues |
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| 07:03.53 | Wobin | Was that just a random survey, Galka? =P |
| 07:04.07 | Galka | lol no, had a question |
| 07:04.10 | Galka | about a macro |
| 07:04.20 | Galka | Just wondering if anyone here used a Gouge / Bandage macro |
| 07:04.45 | Galka | And if they did, did they do it via the UseContainer method or UseByName via the addon designed for that. |
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| 07:07.18 | Galka | I hear crickets chirping :/ |
| 07:07.23 | Wobin | hehe |
| 07:07.29 | Wobin | aye, I don't use that macro yet |
| 07:07.38 | Tekkub | *points at Pothead* |
| 07:08.10 | Wobin | don't call Moony that =( |
| 07:08.58 | Tekkub | no, for the sexors galka you twat |
| 07:09.50 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2442 10AutoAttack/AutoAttack.lua: AutoAttack - updated for BabbleLib-1.2 |
| 07:09.54 | ckknight | anyone mind testing? |
| 07:22.31 | Tekkub | erf |
| 07:22.34 | Tekkub | sleep sooooon |
| 07:22.56 | MoonWolf | night |
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| 07:27.13 | Tekkub | ckk, would you like me to fix Babble on trunk so it has both 1.1 and 1.2 available? |
| 07:27.21 | Tekkub | I don't mind doing it |
| 07:28.29 | ckknight | no |
| 07:28.38 | ckknight | don't |
| 07:28.41 | ckknight | I don't want to backtrack |
| 07:28.52 | ckknight | for future versions, I'll do that |
| 07:29.06 | ckknight | you can get 1.1 from the tags |
| 07:29.20 | Tekkub | well it wouldn't be a "backtrack"... you'd just have to change the exernals on mods you want to use 1.2... which is how you should do it :P |
| 07:29.56 | ckknight | yea, but I already did it to all my mods... |
| 07:30.02 | Tekkub | hrm... gtalk embedded in gmail is funny... |
| 07:30.10 | Tekkub | it takes :P and turns it |
| 07:30.18 | Tekkub | but it does it in an animation |
| 07:30.36 | Tekkub | and it doesn't turn it into a colorful stupid emoticon, it just rotates it |
| 07:30.58 | Tekkub | I kinda don't mind that... I hate emoticons |
| 07:31.09 | ckknight | :-P |
| 07:32.01 | MoonWolf | gtalk should turn more emoticons blue |
| 07:32.16 | MoonWolf | like -_- and ;O |
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| 08:20.59 | ckknight | I just took the Political Compass test, got Economic Left/Right: 8.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28. hehe, neat |
| 08:21.19 | ckknight | http://politicalcompass.jpagel.net/ btw |
| 08:22.00 | ckknight | it's a pretty cool test |
| 08:26.19 | MoonWolf | Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all. <- political how ? |
| 08:26.52 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 08:26.57 | ckknight | Hitler was bad at art |
| 08:27.02 | ckknight | I strongly disagreed on that |
| 08:27.22 | ckknight | because a work stands on its own, regardless of the creator's intent |
| 08:29.11 | Tekkub | oh gee, PBS questions |
| 08:29.13 | Tekkub | :P |
| 08:31.14 | ckknight | take the test, Tekkub |
| 08:31.19 | ckknight | I'd like to know your results |
| 08:31.54 | Tekkub | shut up, page 6, the kinky page |
| 08:32.01 | ckknight | hehe |
| 08:32.02 | ckknight | last page |
| 08:33.22 | Tekkub | hehe L/R -8.25 L/A -7.38 |
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| 08:33.59 | ckknight | anarchist |
| 08:33.59 | ckknight | hehe |
| 08:34.07 | Tekkub | balically |
| 08:34.15 | ckknight | I'm the opposite from you on the right |
| 08:34.22 | Tekkub | but it'd probably be different if I were in canada |
| 08:34.25 | ckknight | just as libertarian (anti-statist), though |
| 08:34.29 | Tekkub | I dispise the US gov't |
| 08:34.37 | ckknight | oh well |
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| 08:35.14 | Tekkub | in the end it really boils down to one thing, be it people, society or the gov't... leave me the fuck alone |
| 08:35.22 | MoonWolf | Economic Left/Right: -6.25 |
| 08:35.23 | MoonWolf | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28 |
| 08:35.23 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:35.32 | ckknight | ah, you're all leftists! |
| 08:35.38 | ckknight | commies. |
| 08:35.55 | ckknight | hehe |
| 08:36.00 | Jarenthal | Hm |
| 08:36.09 | Tekkub | I never figured out the left/right thing, I just know the hand that makes an 'L' is my left |
| 08:36.16 | ckknight | Jarenthal, http://politicalcompass.jpagel.net/ |
| 08:36.28 | ckknight | Tekkub, left is socialistic, right is capitalistic |
| 08:36.29 | ckknight | sorta. |
| 08:36.41 | Tekkub | oh, yea, I hate business too |
| 08:36.47 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 08:36.54 | ckknight | left-right is economics, up-down is social |
| 08:36.57 | ckknight | basically |
| 08:36.58 | MoonWolf | i have the same view as nelson mandela |
| 08:37.07 | ckknight | I'm pro-business |
| 08:37.13 | Tekkub | but that's only because in the end it all boils down to profit, and money always seems to work the same way as endgame loot |
| 08:37.16 | ckknight | I have the same view as the founding fathers |
| 08:37.26 | ckknight | Tekkub, hrm? |
| 08:37.40 | Tekkub | oh did I mention that our Hunter captain left the guild tonight over loot bullshit drama? |
| 08:37.49 | ckknight | no |
| 08:37.51 | ckknight | you didn't |
| 08:37.55 | Tekkub | yea, mony and epics always lead to trouble |
| 08:37.59 | Tekkub | :) |
| 08:38.42 | Tekkub | I'm perfectly okey with the concept of business, but every time I get involved with one it seems there's way waaaay too much tunnelvision regarding money and profit |
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| 08:39.06 | Tekkub | which in the end makes me hate businesses too |
| 08:39.25 | ckknight | profit is a great motivator |
| 08:39.33 | ckknight | motivation is all we have in this life |
| 08:39.50 | Tekkub | I have no motivation about anything |
| 08:39.56 | Tekkub | it seems so pointless |
| 08:40.01 | ckknight | I'm biased, seeing as how everyone in my family up 2-3 generations has had their own corporation |
| 08:40.22 | ckknight | Tekkub, religious at all? |
| 08:40.28 | ckknight | or spiritual |
| 08:40.36 | Tekkub | *shrug* |
| 08:40.45 | Tekkub | consider me a non-practicing buddhist |
| 08:40.47 | ckknight | because you need to get in touch with your spiritual side, it seems |
| 08:40.51 | ckknight | that doesn't mean find Jesus |
| 08:41.00 | Tekkub | it is the chubby-chaser religion aftoer all |
| 08:41.11 | ckknight | I follow the skinny Buddha |
| 08:41.20 | ckknight | I don't believe in fat Buddha's teachings |
| 08:41.24 | Tekkub | nah, just cause I'm unmotived doesn't mean I'm unhappy |
| 08:41.31 | ckknight | I know |
| 08:41.36 | ckknight | I never said you were |
| 08:42.00 | ckknight | how hard would it take to get you to convert to my religion? (Cocoonism) |
| 08:42.16 | Tekkub | people see how I am, think that I'm unhappy or my marrige is all fucked up, and take it upon themselves to tell me how to make shit better |
| 08:42.30 | Tekkub | actually, I'm a Joelist |
| 08:42.36 | ckknight | blast |
| 08:42.36 | Tekkub | have been since highschool |
| 08:42.38 | ckknight | what's that? |
| 08:42.59 | Tekkub | this kid in my school created it, we believe whatever the fuck we want |
| 08:43.24 | Tekkub | but in terms you can understand, my bieliefs are rather similar to most buddhists I've met |
| 08:43.42 | ckknight | my beliefs are very similar to Hinduism, apparently |
| 08:44.06 | ckknight | except no Karma or Brahman |
| 08:45.22 | Tekkub | most the time people fail to understand me and my hubby, that's why we like to be left alone |
| 08:45.31 | Tekkub | hell you didn't when you first came here |
| 08:45.43 | ckknight | yea, cause it was unexpected |
| 08:46.13 | Tekkub | they REALLY don't understand it when they find out we've had an open relationship for 4 of the 5 years we've been together, and it's worked just fine |
| 08:46.26 | ckknight | hrm |
| 08:46.28 | ckknight | good for you |
| 08:46.40 | Tekkub | hell it kinda keeps things in check, no sexual issues to worry about |
| 08:46.42 | ckknight | as long as it's all honest |
| 08:46.57 | ckknight | by that, I mean, no deceit |
| 08:47.07 | Tekkub | well it's honest, it's just not discussed |
| 08:47.11 | Tekkub | if that makes sense |
| 08:47.24 | Tekkub | we don't tell each other details and we don't ask about it |
| 08:47.25 | MoonWolf | does to me. |
| 08:47.31 | MoonWolf | dont ask, dont tell |
| 08:47.34 | Tekkub | but we don't lie about shit |
| 08:47.39 | Jarenthal | Heh. |
| 08:47.50 | Tekkub | more of a mutual disinterest |
| 08:47.51 | MoonWolf | not my kind of relationship. |
| 08:47.52 | Jarenthal | About like I remembered from the last time I took it. |
| 08:48.19 | Tekkub | mainly cause if he started asking and shit he'd get in a stupid jelous streak |
| 08:48.20 | ckknight | yea, you're not deceitful |
| 08:48.24 | ckknight | so it's all good |
| 08:48.30 | Tekkub | he's done it in the past and he knows it was stupid |
| 08:48.36 | ckknight | Jarenthal, what'd you get? |
| 08:48.43 | Tekkub | which is why he doesn't want to know |
| 08:49.31 | Tekkub | and this way he doesn't have to worry about my lack of sex drive, he can get some big black dick when he's in the mood for a big one, and I can play around from time to time if I find a bear I like |
| 08:49.43 | Jarenthal | .68 right, 1.23 libertarian. Actually that's a little more centrist than I was before, I think...but then, it varies depending on whether I answer badly worded questions literally or the way the test most likely intends them to be interpreted. |
| 08:49.44 | Tekkub | besides, sex with the same person does get boring |
| 08:50.01 | Tekkub | it's like only drinking Dr. Pepper for 5 years |
| 08:50.13 | Tekkub | if you don't mix it up a bit you get sick of it |
| 08:50.23 | ckknight | Jarenthal, alright |
| 08:50.36 | Jarenthal | Yeah, Dr. Pepper is really best when mixed with Mountain Dew and root beer. |
| 08:50.39 | ckknight | Jarenthal, so was that 1.23 Authoritarian or -1.23 Libertarian? |
| 08:50.53 | Tekkub | I'm hungry....bugger |
| 08:50.55 | Jarenthal | -1.23, sorry. |
| 08:50.58 | ckknight | okay |
| 08:51.54 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 08:52.03 | Wobin | Perhaps you should eat something |
| 08:52.03 | Jarenthal | I think the most extreme I ever got was around 2.5 right and 6.25 libertarian or so, and the farthest in the other directions was -.1 right and -1 libertarian or so. |
| 08:52.11 | Tekkub | I have this urge to leave the toys/lube strune across the couch |
| 08:52.23 | Wobin | unhygenic =P |
| 08:52.42 | Tekkub | yea... god knows the cat will lick em, she licks everything |
| 08:53.12 | Thiana | I always seem to walk in here when you guys are having the strangest conversations. It's starting to worry me ;) |
| 08:53.13 | Jarenthal | I would really love to know why Gaim refuses to connect most of my accounts all of a sudden. |
| 08:53.18 | Wobin | If you're going to shove stuff that far into your body, you'll want to keep them uncatfur'd |
| 08:53.19 | ckknight | Jarenthal, Economic Left/Right: 8.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28. |
| 08:53.46 | Jarenthal | .... |
| 08:53.48 | Wobin | Thiana: It's an ongoing thing, so nothing to do with your timing =) |
| 08:53.56 | ckknight | Thiana, http://www.politicalcompass.org/ <- take it |
| 08:53.59 | Thiana | Thats good. I think ;) |
| 08:54.22 | Tekkub | Wob: suran wrap ^^ |
| 08:54.26 | Jarenthal | wow. |
| 08:54.32 | Wobin | hehe |
| 08:54.33 | Tekkub | makes for easy cleanup too *grin* |
| 08:54.46 | Jarenthal | Someone who tests farther right and farther libertarian than I do. |
| 08:54.47 | ckknight | Jarenthal, yea, I'm reasonably extreme |
| 08:55.01 | Wobin | and somewhat sociopathic =P |
| 08:55.12 | ckknight | yea, I have that whole "rape" thing, too |
| 08:55.21 | ckknight | whatcha gonna do |
| 08:55.36 | ckknight | Wobin, you should take the test |
| 08:55.42 | Tekkub | *** Tentacle rape party ~ Pleasure! *** |
| 08:55.49 | Wobin | Dunno =P |
| 08:56.22 | Jarenthal | ok, brb. |
| 08:56.56 | Wobin | What would be ironic is if I wouldn't be able to connect =P |
| 08:57.13 | Tekkub | ~C'thun |
| 08:57.15 | purl | *** Tentacle rape party ~ Pleasure! *** |
| 08:57.18 | Tekkub | *grin* |
| 08:58.21 | ckknight | hehe |
| 08:58.51 | Tekkub | I think I gotta make it even better... |
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| 08:59.45 | Tekkub | ~C'thun |
| 08:59.46 | purl | "*** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - Pleasure! ***|*** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 5~ sec! ***|*** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 10~ sec! ***" |
| 08:59.51 | Tekkub | bugger |
| 08:59.55 | Tekkub | I always do that |
| 09:00.09 | Tekkub | ~C'thun |
| 09:00.10 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - Pleasure! ***|*** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 5~ sec! ***|*** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 10~ sec! *** |
| 09:00.14 | Tekkub | *cry* |
| 09:00.31 | Tekkub | ~C'thun |
| 09:00.32 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - Pleasure! *** |
| 09:00.38 | Tekkub | okey..... |
| 09:01.31 | Tekkub | ~C'thun |
| 09:01.32 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - Pleasure! *** |
| 09:01.39 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 09:01.42 | MoonWolf | yay! |
| 09:01.48 | MoonWolf | where is the schoolgirls. |
| 09:02.05 | Tekkub | ~C'thun |
| 09:02.07 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - Pleasure! *** |
| 09:02.15 | Tekkub | okey I guess I fucked it up again |
| 09:02.17 | Thiana | Economic Left/Right: -4.50 |
| 09:02.18 | Thiana | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77 |
| 09:02.21 | Tekkub | ~literal Dr. Tran |
| 09:02.22 | purl | "dr. tran" is "<reply> (3, 2, 1... Dr Tran!|Hickory smoked is so crazy what's wrong with you!?|Oh my god, look at that fat cock!|Hickory what? Smoked WHAT?!?!|"Q" is for Dr. Tran|Just passin' 'em out!|Cowboy hat!|I'ma not a macodoty!|Here comes Dr. Tran!)" |
| 09:02.37 | Tekkub | no... same format... |
| 09:02.39 | Tekkub | ~C'thun |
| 09:02.41 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 5~ sec! *** |
| 09:02.44 | Tekkub | there! |
| 09:03.01 | Jarenthal | Hey, that anime I don't like is on. [flips channel] |
| 09:03.05 | Thiana | Ok, now why did I need to do that ck? |
| 09:04.05 | MoonWolf | Tekkub, now your closer to me agian. |
| 09:04.13 | Wobin | No one can feel naturally homosexual. |
| 09:04.23 | MoonWolf | i disagree |
| 09:04.24 | Wobin | I hate statements worded that way |
| 09:04.32 | Thiana | Nonsense. That's like saying noone can feel naturally hetrosexual. |
| 09:04.32 | MoonWolf | i storngly disagree |
| 09:04.47 | ckknight | Thiana, Know well what leads you forward and what hold you back, and choose the path that leads to wisdom. |
| 09:04.58 | Tekkub | yea I know, some are just bad |
| 09:04.59 | Wobin | I take more time on statements like those trying to figure out the logic than the content |
| 09:05.01 | Tekkub | ~C'thun |
| 09:05.03 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 5~ sec! *** |
| 09:05.08 | Tekkub | ~Dr. Tran |
| 09:05.10 | purl | Hickory smoked is so crazy what's wrong with you!? |
| 09:05.10 | ckknight | Tekkub, some people believe em, though |
| 09:05.12 | Thiana | The whole hetro/homo thing is strange to begin with. If you love someone, their sex is hardly an issue. |
| 09:05.18 | Tekkub | ~Horse buttholes |
| 09:05.20 | purl | from a cup! |
| 09:05.42 | Tekkub | Thi: not when you just lve cawk |
| 09:05.47 | Tekkub | *love |
| 09:05.47 | Wobin | Thiana: That was from the PoliticalCompass questionaire, btw =) |
| 09:05.49 | ckknight | enough, Tekkub |
| 09:05.49 | ckknight | Thiana, some people disagree |
| 09:05.49 | ckknight | that's the point |
| 09:06.06 | Tekkub | what? |
| 09:06.09 | ckknight | Wobin, Thiana took the test |
| 09:06.19 | Tekkub | I know a married bear that plays with all sorts of guys |
| 09:06.26 | Thiana | I know :) That's just one of my pet peeves. I dont understand the obsession with a person's sex. |
| 09:06.48 | Tekkub | he does it cause he likes dick and, well, his wife don't got one |
| 09:06.59 | ckknight | yep |
| 09:07.14 | Tekkub | he's an odd one too |
| 09:07.28 | Tekkub | he won't swallow, but he likes it in his beard |
| 09:07.33 | Wobin | Economic Left/Right: -2.88 |
| 09:07.34 | Wobin | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13 |
| 09:07.35 | ckknight | hehe |
| 09:07.55 | ckknight | gah, everyone's a leftist but me and Jarenthal, who's a centrist |
| 09:08.04 | Wobin | hehe close to Ghandi |
| 09:08.14 | Tekkub | I'm past Ghandi |
| 09:08.20 | Tekkub | and the Dali Lhama |
| 09:08.45 | Thiana | What was your score ck? |
| 09:09.02 | ckknight | I'm so past Ghandi, I know the original wording of the Declaration of Independance ;-) |
| 09:09.03 | ckknight | who can finish this sentence: |
| 09:09.03 | ckknight | "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of _____" |
| 09:09.10 | Tekkub | tacos |
| 09:09.18 | Thiana | happiness |
| 09:09.20 | Wobin | Thiana: Hehe, my complaint on that line was the wording, not the content =P |
| 09:09.26 | Wobin | Justice |
| 09:09.28 | ckknight | Thiana, before it was revised to happiness. |
| 09:09.35 | Wobin | Wealth |
| 09:09.36 | MoonWolf | profit |
| 09:09.40 | ckknight | Property. |
| 09:09.42 | Tekkub | chimmychongas |
| 09:09.42 | ckknight | bam! |
| 09:09.43 | MoonWolf | close. |
| 09:09.45 | Thiana | Ah ok Wobin :) I had a similar problem with the whole a woman's place is in the home first and foremost. |
| 09:09.48 | ckknight | Economic Left/Right: 8.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28. |
| 09:09.54 | Tekkub | ass? |
| 09:09.59 | ckknight | I still like to consider it property |
| 09:10.12 | ckknight | because it secures _everyone's_ right to one day own property |
| 09:10.14 | Wobin | Tekkub: Why you'd want to pursue donkeys, I dunno... |
| 09:10.18 | Tekkub | mah ass ain't yo propertaih! |
| 09:10.31 | MoonWolf | no your ass is your property |
| 09:10.35 | MoonWolf | but you can sell it if you want! |
| 09:10.42 | Tekkub | not legally |
| 09:10.48 | Thiana | A conservative libertarian. That fits you. |
| 09:10.59 | ckknight | Thiana, oh yes, I'm Lib to the core |
| 09:11.16 | Tekkub | prostitution is not an issue with my people |
| 09:11.16 | Tekkub | sex is so easy to find for free |
| 09:11.16 | ckknight | I was vice-president of the libs at my high school |
| 09:11.26 | ckknight | Tekkub, that's cause guys are horny all the time |
| 09:11.32 | Tekkub | yea I know |
| 09:11.33 | MoonWolf | ckknight, what did you awnser on the free market like questions ? |
| 09:11.40 | Thiana | I'm of the opinion that if it's consensual it's fine. On the other hand, rape is *not* consensual ck :-P |
| 09:11.43 | ckknight | MoonWolf, very much pro-free market |
| 09:11.45 | MoonWolf | controlled or totally free ? |
| 09:11.55 | ckknight | Thiana, yea, I know, and I have the whole rape thing... |
| 09:12.07 | ckknight | MoonWolf, it has to be controlled through law to prevent monopoly |
| 09:12.08 | Tekkub | -there is not "totally free" |
| 09:12.16 | ckknight | MoonWolf, and such abuses |
| 09:12.16 | Tekkub | it's all controlled by profit |
| 09:12.19 | MoonWolf | ckknight, same as mine then. |
| 09:12.23 | ckknight | MoonWolf, outside of that, knock yourself out |
| 09:12.40 | ckknight | MoonWolf, what's your score? |
| 09:13.00 | MoonWolf | MoonWolf> Economic Left/Right: -6.25 |
| 09:13.00 | MoonWolf | <MoonWolf> Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28 |
| 09:13.05 | ckknight | okay |
| 09:13.11 | Tekkub | anyway, bed for real buhbye! |
| 09:13.14 | ckknight | cya |
| 09:13.29 | Thiana | Night Night Tek |
| 09:13.30 | MoonWolf | night. |
| 09:13.58 | ckknight | toys? |
| 09:13.59 | ckknight | hehe |
| 09:14.09 | Thiana | The ones he had on the couch ;) |
| 09:14.17 | Tekkub | oh yea... gotta wash em off first |
| 09:14.24 | Thiana | Or had him on the couch ;) |
| 09:14.32 | Wobin | rofl |
| 09:14.39 | Wobin | Oh Thiana. And you complain about us =p |
| 09:14.42 | Tekkub | ~hot dickings |
| 09:14.46 | purl | JUST GIVING EM OUT! |
| 09:15.04 | Thiana | *giggle* What can I say, you're bringing out the wierd in me ;) |
| 09:15.45 | MoonWolf | Thiana, #wowace is corrupting, the burning legion aint go nothing on us. |
| 09:15.57 | Thiana | lol, I wont disagree :) |
| 09:22.43 | ckknight | good song: Gary Jules - Mad World |
| 09:22.51 | ckknight | it's what's at the end of Donnie Darko |
| 09:23.27 | Wobin | That was an interesting movie |
| 09:23.29 | Wobin | CHUT UP! |
| 09:23.32 | ckknight | yea |
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| 13:11.49 | Mikma | ~C'thun |
| 13:11.50 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - Pleasure! *** |
| 13:12.06 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 13:12.18 | Mikma | that's neat |
| 13:14.33 | Tekkub | so remember how I put like 2-3x too much vodka in that first screwdriver I mixed the other night? |
| 13:14.41 | Tekkub | the hubby just did the same thing |
| 13:14.49 | MoonWolf | your supposedly sleeping.... |
| 13:14.55 | MoonWolf | now he is dead drunk / |
| 13:14.57 | Tekkub | I come back from pool and he's all tipsy already |
| 13:14.57 | MoonWolf | ?* |
| 13:15.17 | Tekkub | :P |
| 13:15.36 | MoonWolf | I demand a live video feed of your house. |
| 13:15.42 | MoonWolf | pure entertainment. |
| 13:15.56 | haste | hunter is so not fun to start :< |
| 13:16.05 | MoonWolf | ill turn it off any time gay sex commences. |
| 13:16.11 | MoonWolf | haste, first 10 levels is hell. |
| 13:16.18 | haste | I've noticed :p |
| 13:16.29 | MoonWolf | raptor strike, and raptor strike |
| 13:16.36 | Tekkub | he just said "if this buzz gontinues you mightget some" |
| 13:16.43 | MoonWolf | buzz ? |
| 13:16.52 | Tekkub | erf... damn you moon |
| 13:17.00 | Tekkub | go drink a bit you'll understand |
| 13:17.24 | MoonWolf | I sometimes drink a quite a lot, i have no idea what this buzz is. |
| 13:17.57 | haste | haha, I figured out how to kill mobs which are two levels higher then me! |
| 13:18.10 | haste | "arcane shot" *run* |
| 13:18.10 | Mikma | haste: use teh spellbook!?!? |
| 13:18.12 | Tekkub | okey dirinkg works somethnig like this: |
| 13:18.56 | Tekkub | [ feel warm ] [ offbalance, head bizzing ] [ drunked ] |
| 13:19.33 | MoonWolf | i get the offbalance part |
| 13:19.33 | Tekkub | the prime spot is about 2/3 thru buzzing, at least for me it is |
| 13:19.33 | MoonWolf | but not the head buzzing part. |
| 13:19.37 | Tekkub | :P then you're missing the good stuff |
| 13:19.46 | MoonWolf | i do get a desitization at that point, where i feel like my body isnt really my own but im just taking it for a ride. |
| 13:19.55 | Tekkub | in his case he gets horny when he drinks |
| 13:20.11 | Mikma | every men does |
| 13:20.16 | MoonWolf | man* |
| 13:20.23 | Tekkub | yea, that's basically what we STUPID AMERICAN!s call buzzing |
| 13:20.29 | MoonWolf | ah |
| 13:20.29 | Tekkub | Mik: not me |
| 13:20.37 | Tekkub | I just get all stupid happy |
| 13:21.00 | Mikma | then your not a man |
| 13:21.03 | Tekkub | but then I rarely get truely horny |
| 13:21.17 | Tekkub | I go into heat one or two weeks a year at best |
| 13:23.26 | MoonWolf | weird person you are tekk |
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| 13:31.05 | haste | I need a new graphic card :( |
| 13:31.27 | haste | these X lockups are starting to kill me |
| 13:31.28 | Mikma | i need a life :D |
| 13:31.37 | haste | I need that too :p |
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| 13:32.13 | MoonWolf | WTB: life, PST |
| 13:34.48 | haste | :D |
| 13:41.04 | phyber | what does PST mean? |
| 13:42.11 | MoonWolf | please send tell |
| 13:45.05 | phyber | ahh |
| 13:45.50 | phyber | wondered that ever since I saw a penny arcade t-shirt saying 'WTS: [Wang], PST' ([Wang] was in epic colour) |
| 13:54.40 | Tain | It's another stupid term coined by some asshat at some point in time. |
| 13:55.01 | Tekkub | but I like epics [Wang] |
| 13:55.05 | Tekkub | :P |
| 13:55.08 | Tekkub | you suck |
| 13:55.15 | Tain | Hi I have something to sell. Now that I've told you that I have something to sell I must now tell you how to contact me in order to inquire further about it. |
| 13:55.26 | Tekkub | BTW fiber, you should make AceGCInfo display on Fubar if it's installed |
| 13:55.54 | Tekkub | I have my own local version thta goes on fu, but it's based (loosely) on the old version |
| 13:56.13 | Tain | WTS: Banana, please send telegram or smoke signals, morse code ok. |
| 13:56.31 | Thrae | PST was, of course, coined in Everquest ;) |
| 13:57.01 | Thrae | WoW's system is suppose to be "whispers", not "tells" to make an irrelevant distinction from Everquest. |
| 13:57.13 | Thrae | But it also allows /tell. |
| 13:57.48 | Tain | It's the idea of it. How else are you supposed to talk to the person about it? |
| 13:58.43 | Tain | Carry on transactions in /yell? /say? Email? It bugged me then and still bugs me now. |
| 14:01.35 | Thrae | EnchanterAdShrinker was a good idea, poorly implemented. It takes those large enchanter ads and makes them into a custom tooltip link so you don't have them clogging up your chat frame. |
| 14:07.33 | Tain | That's an interesting idea, I never saw that. |
| 14:08.11 | sedatedChipmunk | wasn't there a fizzwidgit version of that? |
| 14:09.33 | Thrae | Tain: Take a look at ChatBox on ui.worldofwar.net, someone recommended it to me over ChatManager. It also has the Enchantment ad shrinker feature, but I bet it's not as buggy. |
| 14:26.00 | Industrial | <mrX> :) |
| 14:26.05 | Industrial | * Industrial stabs mrX in the face |
| 14:26.13 | Industrial | <mrX> .( |
| 14:26.16 | Industrial | lol :P |
| 14:27.23 | hyperChipmunk | hahah |
| 14:27.26 | hyperChipmunk | that's great |
| 14:49.06 | Mikma | ~C'thun |
| 14:49.07 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - 5~ sec! *** |
| 14:49.16 | Mikma | bring it on! |
| 14:53.09 | [Ammo] | raped in the nose... |
| 14:53.37 | Mikma | wohoo! |
| 14:55.34 | Tain | That'll clear the sinuses. |
| 14:55.47 | [Ammo] | until the tentacles deposit their load |
| 14:55.54 | Mikma | uh, ewww |
| 14:55.57 | Mikma | that kinda spoiled the mood |
| 14:56.38 | [Ammo] | after a party like that not only your mood will be spoiled |
| 14:56.55 | Mikma | ~whip [Ammo] |
| 14:57.00 | [Ammo] | defiled is probably a better term |
| 14:57.18 | Mikma | whip doesn't exist? :( |
| 14:57.24 | [Ammo] | ~whip Mikma |
| 14:57.27 | [Ammo] | probably not :) |
| 14:57.40 | [Ammo] | or we don't have exalted with purl yet |
| 14:58.20 | Mikma | yeah, we only can use these friendly -features of purl |
| 14:58.46 | [Ammo] | 'friendly neighbourhood tentacle rape party' hmm.... |
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| 15:35.17 | maia | anyone with event knowledge and/or blizzard code available? |
| 15:36.25 | maia | looking for a way to find out when exactly "Welcome to the World of Warcraft!" is being displayed. It's *NOT* on ACE_ADDONS_LOADED nor PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
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| 15:46.54 | haste | can't you just check the CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM (or whatever the event is) ? |
| 15:47.32 | Industrial | someone just gave me a Twilight cultist robe |
| 15:47.39 | Industrial | for a hug and a cuddle |
| 15:47.39 | Industrial | .. |
| 15:47.45 | maia | haste: how? |
| 15:47.52 | Industrial | (guild name is Cuddle Vendor) |
| 15:48.06 | haste | Industrial: see? the guild name is imbalanced |
| 15:48.16 | maia | haste: just hook it? |
| 15:48.21 | haste | maia: just check the first arg of it |
| 15:48.29 | haste | I think it's the one who displays it |
| 15:48.48 | Industrial | haste: I love it |
| 15:48.57 | Industrial | haste: i just shout wts cuddle! |
| 15:48.58 | Industrial | :D |
| 15:49.13 | Industrial | or they go 'omg cuddle vendor WTB' |
| 15:50.00 | haste | ;D |
| 15:50.07 | Wobin | Event: CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 15:50.18 | Wobin | for Welcome to the World of Warcraft |
| 15:50.20 | Wobin | ! |
| 15:50.22 | haste | I wasn't off ! |
| 15:50.40 | maia | haste: okay. |
| 15:51.02 | maia | haste: I'm trying to find an even that comes shortly after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 15:51.28 | MoonWolf | isnt there an addon that shows all the events as they fire |
| 15:51.32 | MoonWolf | go get that and find out. |
| 15:51.42 | Wobin | FireShow |
| 15:51.43 | haste | ADDON_LOADED |
| 15:51.52 | haste | oh |
| 15:51.53 | haste | I suck at reading today |
| 15:51.59 | Wobin | or really, get Iriel's dev tools to see all the message event sources |
| 15:52.35 | maia | hmm. so far I know that ACE_PROFILE_LOADED, VARIABLES_LOADED, PLAYER_LOGIN, ACE_ADDONS_LOADED, PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD all fire too early |
| 15:52.47 | maia | aka before the complete roster info is available on login |
| 15:53.01 | Wobin | CHAT_MESSAAGE_CHANNEL_NOTICE:? |
| 15:53.07 | maia | also I now know that the first CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM is too early as well |
| 15:53.44 | maia | I guess I could use CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE - but what if the user doesn't join a single channel? |
| 15:54.34 | haste | why not abuse metrognome, and just delay it |
| 15:54.38 | haste | I do that on oRA |
| 15:54.56 | maia | because then I'd have to deal with wrong data for the time of the delay |
| 15:54.59 | MoonWolf | maia i know foolproof is one thing |
| 15:55.04 | MoonWolf | but not joining a single channel...... |
| 15:55.13 | Wobin | is simply foolish =P |
| 15:55.17 | maia | afk, phone... |
| 15:55.21 | haste | MEETINGSTONE_CHANGED << might help |
| 15:55.44 | MoonWolf | inventory changed! |
| 15:56.18 | MoonWolf | wait, do you get a zone changed when you login ? |
| 15:58.47 | haste | think I'm going to throw away fluxbox for a week, and try Xfce |
| 15:58.56 | MoonWolf | xfce is really nice |
| 15:59.00 | MoonWolf | you wont be disapointed |
| 15:59.03 | MoonWolf | dump the file manager though |
| 15:59.06 | MoonWolf | its crappy |
| 15:59.23 | haste | heared gentoo is a nice file manager |
| 15:59.29 | haste | but I haven't tried it myself :p |
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| 16:00.08 | haste | going to test xgl at the same time ^^ |
| 16:02.31 | Wobin | hehe |
| 16:02.38 | Wobin | I'd so code Roshambo just for the hell of it |
| 16:03.13 | Wobin | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1532.msg26129#msg26129 |
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| 16:04.35 | Wobin | once I get a little further in PK though |
| 16:06.16 | maia | haste and moonwolf: think I found something interesting. |
| 16:06.57 | haste | :o ? |
| 16:07.09 | maia | the exact moment MiniBlizzRaid fires its: "Stopping the Blizzard RaidUI from loading" is the moment where all roster data is available. |
| 16:07.35 | [Ammo] | but that happens only once |
| 16:07.44 | haste | yes, it says that when the blizz UI tries to load the blizz raid ui |
| 16:07.45 | maia | unfortunately this is part of RaidFrame_LoadUI(), and the function never gets called inside the addon itself |
| 16:07.47 | [Ammo] | after that the UI is 'supposed to be loaded' right? |
| 16:07.54 | maia | so I don't have a clue when this triggers. |
| 16:08.12 | haste | maia: miniblizzraids is LoD and loads with the blizz raid UI (I think) |
| 16:08.14 | [Ammo] | it's triggered when WoW thinks it needs to load a raid |
| 16:08.30 | haste | ...or it isn't ;D |
| 16:09.17 | maia | it isn't |
| 16:10.10 | maia | but yeah, this might not help, as on /reloadui it doesnt fire |
| 16:10.23 | maia | um, it does. |
| 16:10.42 | maia | but interestingly much earlier than on a player login. hm. |
| 16:11.27 | haste | what about MEETINGSTONE_CHANGED ? |
| 16:12.38 | maia | ah.. RaidFrame_LoadUI() is triggered by FrameXML/RaidFrame.lua and has a safety check for GetNumRaidMembers() |
| 16:12.47 | maia | haste: checking that now. |
| 16:14.49 | maia | haste: MEETINGSTONE_CHANGED fires rather late, which is good. |
| 16:15.07 | haste | it fires before WoW joins the channels tho' :-( |
| 16:15.34 | maia | haste: thats not a problem. but will it also fire on zoning? or which events can I safely replace by MEETINGSTONE_CHANGED? |
| 16:16.06 | haste | not sure about zoning, I unregister it after the first fire |
| 16:21.30 | Wobin | Dewdrop automatically registers for mouseclick, yeah? |
| 16:23.15 | haste | think so |
| 16:24.15 | Wobin | This automatically registers the right-click with with the parent frame. |
| 16:24.17 | Wobin | oh duh |
| 16:25.54 | maia | haste: MEETINGSTONE_CHANGED was a great idea. |
| 16:26.33 | maia | now which other possibilities exist where raid-ids are updated, besides login, reloadui, RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE, PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED? |
| 16:28.21 | haste | are there any others? |
| 16:28.32 | haste | RRU should fire everytime it changes |
| 16:32.21 | Wobin | Has everyonhehe |
| 16:32.23 | Wobin | gah |
| 16:32.36 | maia | now thats interesting: I zoned a couple of times between orgrimmar and ragefire chasm. the roster data was okay if the order of events was: PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD - PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED - RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE - MEETINGSTONE_CHANGED |
| 16:32.43 | Wobin | Every time I see RRU I'm reminded of the priest club I was a member of in my old MUD |
| 16:32.47 | maia | but the roster data was incomplete when: |
| 16:32.48 | Wobin | Resurrections R Us |
| 16:33.07 | maia | PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED - PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD - MEETINGSTONE_CHANGED |
| 16:33.50 | haste | :< |
| 16:34.06 | maia | so it seems the server sometimes sends PARTY_MEM_CH b*before* PEW, which will result in the problem that the last raid unit (aka the player himself) has no name (UnitName("raid"..GetNumRaidMembers()) = nil) |
| 16:35.24 | haste | but is PMC needed? |
| 16:35.45 | haste | and why isn't a short delay optional? :o |
| 16:36.14 | maia | haste: Squishy also handles parties, not only raids. which is why I need that event |
| 16:36.49 | Wobin | maia: I'm so glad you're looking after Squishy =) |
| 16:36.56 | maia | and if I'd metrognome these events, I'd have the problem that if the raid leader moves groups in the middle of a fight, I'd have wrong data (aka wrong unitids) until the function is finally triggered |
| 16:37.22 | maia | I *was* using metrognome for all that, but it made problems even more complicated |
| 16:37.24 | haste | well, if it's only PMC that bugs.... |
| 16:37.59 | maia | I had like 10 functions with stuff like if not UnitName(roster[name].id) == name then... |
| 16:38.21 | Wobin | If you're finding a recurring issue, you should post to slouken about it, Maia |
| 16:38.27 | maia | haste: I still have to spend some time in battleground PUGs to see which other problems occur. |
| 16:38.37 | maia | Wobin: yeah, I'm going to let sam know. |
| 16:38.44 | maia | (sam = slouken) |
| 16:39.49 | MoonWolf | sloukens real name is sam ? |
| 16:39.59 | MoonWolf | is this a really farfetched nickname |
| 16:40.07 | maia | sam latinga |
| 16:40.13 | MoonWolf | kk] |
| 16:40.17 | MoonWolf | -] |
| 16:40.26 | hyperChipmunk | heck, I didn't even know his name was slouken for the longest time |
| 16:40.37 | hyperChipmunk | I just knew he was the pirate |
| 16:40.44 | MoonWolf | Hehe |
| 16:41.03 | maia | I'm not disclosing any secrets here as he once linked a small addon he made which was available on his personal site, featuring his name |
| 16:42.26 | Wobin | I always thought it was Sam Louken |
| 16:42.33 | maia | lol, no. |
| 16:42.47 | maia | tigerclaw isn't Tiger Claw either ;p |
| 16:42.48 | Wobin | Alas, my highly held dreams, dashed! |
| 16:43.10 | CIA-17 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk * r2443 10BulkMail/ (BulkMail.lua BulkMailLocals.lua): |
| 16:43.10 | CIA-17 | BulkMail: |
| 16:43.10 | CIA-17 | - Fixed line 339 nil-thingy error, I think; let me know. |
| 16:43.10 | CIA-17 | - Goes faster, because it can >8p |
| 16:43.20 | Wobin | Well, Caydiem kinda has a similar name, doesn't she? |
| 16:43.26 | MoonWolf | lol |
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| 16:43.36 | Wobin | Chipper: Racing Stripes? Paint it Red? |
| 16:43.38 | maia | I cant remember caydiems name to be honest |
| 16:43.41 | Syzx | maia where do you want bug reports? ;-) |
| 16:43.44 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
| 16:44.00 | hyperChipmunk | metrognome tick reduced from 0.5 to 0.1 |
| 16:44.03 | MoonWolf | Iits the neon under the car man! |
| 16:44.09 | hyperChipmunk | for sending items |
| 16:44.10 | Wobin | Hehe I did that with MrPlow =) |
| 16:44.29 | hyperChipmunk | yea it's different with sending mail though |
| 16:44.50 | hyperChipmunk | turns out the way I was doing it, it never runs into the overload problem, regardless of how fast you do it |
| 16:45.19 | hyperChipmunk | apparently, I'm a genius |
| 16:45.33 | MoonWolf | beginners luck. |
| 16:45.47 | Wobin | And garnered the comment "Version 3 is MrPlow on crack/meth/crystal" |
| 16:45.56 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
| 16:46.04 | MoonWolf | all three. |
| 16:46.36 | hyperChipmunk | try it with some waters and stuff; it's noticeably zoomier |
| 16:46.38 | Wobin | Avenue Q does horrible but entertaining things to my childhood =P |
| 16:46.41 | MoonWolf | Hows plowking doing ? I have a perfectly fine Mybags to get rid off. |
| 16:47.02 | Wobin | I'm figuring out Dewdrop so you can split merge categories into subcats |
| 16:47.04 | MoonWolf | Wobin, its what the internet was made for. |
| 16:47.11 | Wobin | To fit in the PT support |
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| 16:47.55 | Wobin | MoonWolf: PORN! |
| 16:48.12 | Wobin | The Internet is for Porn! |
| 16:48.20 | MoonWolf | rule #14(i think) There is porn of it! |
| 16:48.31 | Cairenn | ~for porn |
| 16:48.33 | purl | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 16:49.30 | Wobin | Cairenn: You always know the good links =) |
| 16:49.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:51.14 | MoonWolf | god i have some weird shit in that folder |
| 16:51.17 | Wobin | "...It hit me this morning when I kept seeing headlines about "Brangelina" baby pictures." |
| 16:51.19 | Wobin | BRangelina |
| 16:51.22 | Wobin | oh dear god |
| 16:52.02 | Wobin | Although that's better than Pittolie |
| 16:52.05 | MoonWolf | http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4233/11465709216299yp.jpg NSFW |
| 16:52.18 | MoonWolf | i wont post the images from a guy cutting his dick open |
| 16:52.23 | Wobin | ... |
| 16:52.24 | MoonWolf | my god why did i even save those. |
| 16:52.24 | Wobin | ow |
| 16:52.31 | Wobin | I worry for your sanity |
| 16:52.47 | MoonWolf | dont worry, 4chan took all my sanity away agees ago. |
| 16:53.03 | haste | 4chan is down :-( |
| 16:53.08 | MoonWolf | no biggie |
| 16:53.17 | MoonWolf | provider is being a bitch |
| 16:54.02 | haste | I wanted to take my usually /b/ ride |
| 16:54.15 | MoonWolf | a4chan's network line is shitting out intermittently THANK YOU COGENT <- from the #4chan title |
| 16:54.21 | Tain | Also not safe fo work, but funny tattoos. http://community.livejournal.com/wtf_omgz/505882.html |
| 16:54.37 | haste | what network? |
| 16:54.58 | MoonWolf | ah there we go |
| 16:54.59 | MoonWolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rule34.jpg |
| 16:55.00 | maia | Hmm. Syzx reporting a strange problem: MetrognomeLib.lua:55: attempt to call global `print' (a nil value) |
| 16:55.04 | MoonWolf | rizon |
| 16:55.23 | maia | shouldnt 'print' be available always? Or do you need to have AceDebug installed? |
| 16:55.54 | MoonWolf | i have a pic in that trend |
| 16:56.44 | haste | maia: there is no print global |
| 16:56.59 | maia | so it's a part of AceDebug? Gah. |
| 16:57.06 | Wobin | no it's a part of ace |
| 16:57.11 | MoonWolf | http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/9845/11427960161263cv.jpg NSFW |
| 16:57.14 | Wobin | but he needs to update Metrognome |
| 16:57.23 | haste | Wobin: Ace doesn't define any print global, only ace:print |
| 16:57.31 | Wobin | Oh sorry |
| 16:57.34 | Wobin | I think Fubar does it |
| 16:58.01 | Wobin | But he needs to update Metrognome to a version where Tekk took out the debug statements |
| 16:58.04 | maia | interestingly line 55 in MetrognomeLib is: if not versionData then print(string.format("<%s> Cannot find library version: %s", self.libName, version or "")) return end |
| 16:58.11 | Wobin | I had that problem with RE |
| 16:58.36 | maia | so it's not the debug problem. also Squishy is using svn:externals for the libraries, so it should be updated automatically. |
| 16:58.56 | Wobin | I don't know then =( |
| 16:59.17 | Wobin | I just know that removing those statements fixed it =P |
| 16:59.25 | Wobin | And that we never figured out why it was bugging =P |
| 16:59.43 | Wobin | apart from lack of print I guess =P |
| 17:00.57 | maia | Syzx: still listening? :) |
| 17:01.07 | MoonWolf | http://zoom-out.co.uk/daily.php?date=051106 <- brilliant |
| 17:01.44 | Syzx | i'm doing BWL atm ;) |
| 17:01.52 | Syzx | but i'm checking back here every now and then |
| 17:02.04 | maia | guess we should tell tekkub to use ace:print instead of print in his libraries. |
| 17:03.17 | maia | yay. Blizzard just opened a thread on the event problem with the senior coders on it. |
| 17:03.40 | Syzx | squishy seems to be working though, i just get a bunch of errors on reloading my ui or entering world ;-) |
| 17:03.59 | maia | Syzx: I'll update the svn in a few minutes |
| 17:06.26 | Syzx | ok, let me know when you've updated :) |
| 17:06.51 | maia | always nice to know someone working at blizzard: "senior server programmer reports: already fixed in 1.11" |
| 17:07.29 | MoonWolf | wait, work beig done at blizzard |
| 17:07.31 | MoonWolf | no wai |
| 17:07.38 | Wobin | wai! |
| 17:07.45 | maia | yeah. 24/7 |
| 17:09.09 | MoonWolf | http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/232/11467330229930nk0vr.gif |
| 17:10.55 | maia | http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/3383/billgatesfault2tw.jpg |
| 17:11.21 | maia | [SERVER] All crashes are Bill Gates' fault. |
| 17:12.24 | Wobin | I have yet to understand Miravalix's concept of humour |
| 17:12.29 | Wobin | Perhaps I'm not old enough |
| 17:15.01 | MoonWolf | i dont understand it either. |
| 17:15.03 | MoonWolf | none of it. |
| 17:21.18 | Wobin | Well he's independantly wealthy |
| 17:21.29 | Wobin | and still works 60hr weeks |
| 17:25.13 | MoonWolf | Miravlix was never consistant with what he said |
| 17:26.37 | maia | how do I diff my working copy against the latest rev on the server? svn diff PREV:BASE seems to be something else. |
| 17:26.58 | hyperChipmunk | svn diff |
| 17:27.03 | hyperChipmunk | no args |
| 17:27.13 | maia | ah |
| 17:29.49 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2444 10Squishy/ (core.lua frames.lua options.lua roster.lua): Squishy: roster problems partly fixed, other problems now display better error messages. |
| 17:30.28 | maia | Syzx: please give the latest revision a try. and if you encounter an error, please post it on the forums or let me know otherwise what exacly happened before (e.g. player left raid) |
| 17:35.02 | Wobin | y'know |
| 17:35.09 | Wobin | I'm starting to worry about localisation |
| 17:35.14 | Wobin | for Plowking |
| 17:35.28 | phyber | wow, something that was updated to date is really fucked up. |
| 17:35.40 | phyber | it's stopping me from logging in. |
| 17:36.05 | phyber | well, I log in, but as soon as the world is shown, everything freezes and the chat frame has a bunch of errors from bugsack listed |
| 17:36.14 | phyber | but I don't know what they are :( |
| 17:36.39 | MoonWolf | go into the saved var and fined out |
| 17:38.28 | phyber | since I have to ctrl+alt+del to kill wow, nothing is there. |
| 17:38.43 | phyber | but I think it's FuBar, which is currently FuBar, since that's the only addon not on my screen when it freezes. |
| 17:38.48 | phyber | testing that out now |
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| 17:44.12 | phyber | irritating :| |
| 17:44.29 | phyber | maybe it's a library that's fucked. |
| 17:45.30 | phyber | <3 FrameXML.log |
| 17:45.43 | Wobin | Are we ever going to get the tarballs back? =( |
| 17:45.47 | Wobin | Cause they were cool |
| 17:48.42 | haste | I didn't use the tarballs :oo |
| 17:55.54 | Wobin | Well that's cause you know how to SVN |
| 17:55.58 | Wobin | I'm talking about users =) |
| 17:56.27 | Wobin | It's much easier for me to say "grab the tarball to try it out" to new users than "download an svn client and checkout the project" |
| 18:00.47 | Thiana | Timex probably phyber. The svn version is broken to say the least. I was having the same problem. |
| 18:01.12 | Thiana | If you revert to R23.01 from wowi it works fine. |
| 18:10.43 | phyber | I'm not using SVN timex |
| 18:11.05 | phyber | it is the latest beta though |
| 18:12.24 | phyber | wow, it was Timex. but it's been working for at least a week :/ |
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| 18:14.00 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Tem] by ChanServ |
| 18:14.27 | MoonWolf | Hey tem. |
| 18:14.38 | Tem | hey MoonWolf |
| 18:14.51 | MoonWolf | hows life ? |
| 18:14.57 | Tem | alright |
| 18:15.03 | Tem | it gets better next week |
| 18:15.10 | Tem | my work hours suck right now |
| 18:15.58 | MoonWolf | specials types of hours ? |
| 18:16.21 | MoonWolf | Special* |
| 18:16.29 | MoonWolf | whats wrong with my spelling damnit. |
| 18:17.01 | phyber | http://ace.pastebin.com/765717 |
| 18:17.09 | phyber | LocationFu / TouristLib broken |
| 18:17.39 | kergoth | phyber: yea beta timex broke me too, resulted in hangs on login. good fun |
| 18:17.43 | kergoth | ~mornings |
| 18:17.45 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 18:17.46 | MoonWolf | ckknight stop breaking libs damnit. |
| 18:18.04 | MoonWolf | Morning kergoth. |
| 18:18.29 | kergoth | hooray caffeine |
| 18:19.13 | hyperChipmunk | BattlegroundFu.lua:665: GloryLib: Bad argument #2 to `GetFactionColor' (string or number expected, got nil) |
| 18:19.20 | hyperChipmunk | er |
| 18:19.30 | hyperChipmunk | BattlegroundFu.lua:664: GloryLib: Bad argument #2 to `NodeToPOI' (string or number expected, got number) |
| 18:19.33 | phyber | test before commit >_< |
| 18:19.41 | hyperChipmunk | I did |
| 18:19.59 | hyperChipmunk | since when do those functions have an argument #2 =x |
| 18:20.05 | hyperChipmunk | but the second one I thought was funny |
| 18:20.08 | hyperChipmunk | read it again |
| 18:21.49 | hyperChipmunk | function lib:GetFactionColor(faction) |
| 18:21.50 | hyperChipmunk | argCheck(faction, 2, "string", "number") |
| 18:22.06 | hyperChipmunk | gee, amazingly that causes an error |
| 18:27.24 | Amadeo | Male Blood Elf dance - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8014808211220282746 |
| 18:28.18 | hyperChipmunk | rofl |
| 18:29.19 | MoonWolf | still want to see the dreanei dance |
| 18:29.35 | Amadeo | I have that too |
| 18:29.56 | hyperChipmunk | gimme |
| 18:29.58 | Amadeo | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589152147345990315 |
| 18:30.07 | hyperChipmunk | have be female? |
| 18:30.31 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 18:30.37 | hyperChipmunk | that draenei one is horrible |
| 18:30.45 | Amadeo | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4372389573986561595 |
| 18:30.48 | Neronix | BE male dance is from Napoleon Dynamite? O.o |
| 18:30.55 | Amadeo | Neronix: yeah, lol |
| 18:31.06 | Neronix | O.o |
| 18:31.26 | Neronix | The nanosecond I tell all my myspace-addicted friends about this, they'll all want to buy the game |
| 18:31.57 | MoonWolf | The dreanei dance is awesome. |
| 18:32.02 | hyperChipmunk | yea, that belf female is lousy |
| 18:32.04 | hyperChipmunk | that'll get changed |
| 18:32.26 | Neronix | Did anyone see the video the Draenei dance is supposedly based on? |
| 18:32.33 | MoonWolf | nope |
| 18:32.36 | hyperChipmunk | the draenei one doesn't have enough elements |
| 18:32.38 | MoonWolf | first time i even seen this. |
| 18:32.49 | Neronix | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5995556455415798282&q=tunak+tunak |
| 18:32.59 | Neronix | Most random shit ever |
| 18:33.39 | Neronix | complete with low-quality far-eastern CG |
| 18:33.52 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 18:34.07 | Wobin | Tunak Tunak! |
| 18:35.01 | Wobin | It's a brilliant dance |
| 18:35.21 | Wobin | I can't wait til the first mechanima WoW Bollywood movie |
| 18:37.22 | MoonWolf | that woulld be so bad it would be awesome. |
| 18:38.04 | Neronix | "I like the power glove. It's so bad" |
| 18:38.35 | kergoth | hahah, the power glove |
| 18:39.32 | Neronix | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7775700984720149876&q=power+glove |
| 18:41.10 | ckknight | hrm |
| 18:50.06 | CIA-17 | 03phoenyx * r2445 10BestInShow/ (. BestInShow.lua BestInShow.toc BestInShowLocals.lua README): |
| 18:50.06 | CIA-17 | BestInShow: Initial Commit |
| 18:50.06 | CIA-17 | A Best Bandage/Healthpot/Manapot/Food/Drink Chooser |
| 18:50.06 | CIA-17 | It is a non-functional (and very messy) prototype. |
| 18:50.06 | CIA-17 | I've gotten the load-time errors, I'm now working on logic |
| 18:50.06 | CIA-17 | and implimentaion errors. Bear with me, its my first mod. |
| 18:50.35 | Wobin | hehe |
| 18:50.40 | Wobin | BestInshow |
| 18:51.08 | Wobin | It's good to see Tekk recruiting addon authors to finish his todo list =) |
| 18:53.10 | Industrial | ? |
| 18:53.14 | Industrial | where? |
| 18:53.17 | Industrial | I want 2 |
| 18:53.19 | Industrial | :D |
| 18:55.18 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2446 10GloryLib/Lib/GloryLib.lua: GloryLib - fixed NodeToPOI error message. |
| 18:55.28 | Wobin | The bestinshow addon was one that Tekk was saying he'd do eventually |
| 18:55.29 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:00.40 | ckknight | svn.wowace.com not working for anyone else? |
| 19:01.38 | [ven] | Internal Server Error |
| 19:01.52 | ckknight | I can't update or commit |
| 19:01.57 | ckknight | gonna fix the LocationFu bug |
| 19:04.41 | Neronix | http://wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/images/screenoftheday/nice-shot.jpg |
| 19:04.57 | Neronix | Also wins because it actually shows the interface. a REAL screenshot :P |
| 19:07.08 | Wobin | ckknight: I <3 Dewdrop |
| 19:07.17 | ckknight | :-) |
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| 19:07.30 | ckknight | just wait till Dewdrop 2.0! |
| 19:07.34 | ckknight | actually, I have no plans |
| 19:08.18 | Wobin | Neronix: hehe I bet he absolutely hammered that printscreen key |
| 19:08.32 | Wobin | ckknight: It does what it needs to =) |
| 19:08.39 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:08.51 | ckknight | and can be incrementally updated if an addition is needed |
| 19:09.56 | phyber | nice. something fucked up and I got disconnected during an invite to a raid. |
| 19:10.01 | phyber | now nobody in the raid can invite me. |
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| 19:15.15 | Suntiger | tem clone! |
| 19:15.35 | *** mode/#wowace [+o MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 19:15.44 | ckknight | phyber, suxor |
| 19:16.32 | ckknight | brb |
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| 19:39.41 | Neronix | Does anyone have problems with partially blocked hits while using NanoStats? |
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| 19:43.18 | phyber | ckknight: it got better. after thet downed Ony, I could see the rolls of everyone in the raid. |
| 19:43.38 | ckknight | hrm |
| 19:43.39 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:43.39 | phyber | the server broke something so I was half in the raid and couldn't be invited or kicked. |
| 19:44.00 | phyber | I was going to see if I could port into their instance, but they had left by then |
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| 19:55.56 | Wobin | hm |
| 19:56.18 | Wobin | PlowKing takes 247 or so miliseconds to load up |
| 19:56.31 | Wobin | (bag scan, sorting et al) |
| 19:57.03 | Wobin | svn still down? =( |
| 19:58.32 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:58.42 | ckknight | ooh |
| 19:58.47 | ckknight | no, wait |
| 20:00.05 | Wobin | maybe it's just the web interface |
| 20:00.53 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2447 10FuBar_LocationFu/ (. FuBar_LocationFu.toc): FuBar_LocationFu - updated externals and TOC |
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| 20:05.00 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r2448 10PlowKing/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:05.00 | CIA-17 | PlowKing - Position saving |
| 20:05.00 | CIA-17 | - Now splits and merges categories correctly. Only have Weapons and armour subcategorised by EquipLoc but PT stuff will be soon. |
| 20:05.00 | CIA-17 | - Dewdrop rightclick on tabs will have a menu to split all (soon to add in more specific single split options) and merge all (or merge single subcats) |
| 20:05.00 | CIA-17 | - Tags will dim if they don't have any items currently categoriesed under them |
| 20:05.04 | CIA-17 | - You will have to /script PlowKingDB = nil to start off with. |
| 20:05.53 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r2449 10PlowKing/PlowKing.lua: PlowKing - Revision keyword |
| 20:06.10 | ckknight_ | feel free to use Tablet, Wobin, if you need to |
| 20:06.14 | ckknight_ | you may want to |
| 20:06.21 | Wobin | What's it do? |
| 20:06.22 | ckknight_ | can't currently think why, though... |
| 20:06.29 | ckknight_ | it's a tooltip on crack |
| 20:06.50 | Wobin | I'm going to eventually use Gratuity for tt scanning... |
| 20:06.56 | ckknight_ | that's not it |
| 20:07.08 | Wobin | Ah, Tablet is for making tooltips? |
| 20:07.13 | ckknight_ | Blizzard's Dropdown is to Dewdrop as Blizzard's tooltip display is to Tablet |
| 20:07.24 | ckknight_ | generic frame land? |
| 20:07.32 | ckknight_ | what do you mean by that? |
| 20:07.33 | Wobin | A mystical land of opportunity I imagine |
| 20:07.46 | kergoth | just pester tem once 1.11 comes out and start using acegui |
| 20:08.03 | ckknight | maybe |
| 20:08.08 | ckknight | currently don't see a point |
| 20:08.16 | ckknight | it works fine without AceGUI |
| 20:08.34 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r2450 10PlowKing/PlowKing.lua: PlowKing - Hello? Mr Keyword? |
| 20:08.41 | kergoth | wasnt talking to you :) was talking to ratbert |
| 20:08.44 | Ratbert_CP | ckknight: Create non-Tooltip-ish frames. No menus, add buttons, etc., etc |
| 20:08.44 | ckknight | ah |
| 20:09.02 | ckknight | Ratbert_CP, ... that's not what it's for |
| 20:09.09 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r2451 10PlowKing/PlowKing.lua: PlowKing - There you are! |
| 20:09.10 | ckknight | just use AceGUI for that |
| 20:09.45 | Ratbert_CP | No, but until 1.11/Tem comes along, creating even simple frames is a pain (although I managed to figure out enough of the StaticPopup crapola to use it)... |
| 20:10.09 | Ratbert_CP | The current incarnation is sub-standard and still too heavy for quickie dialogs and suchnot. |
| 20:10.20 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:10.27 | ckknight | Tablet is built on 1.10 hacks |
| 20:10.29 | kergoth | i wouldnt say its a pain, just involves a metric ton of function calls to set up the various components of the frame |
| 20:10.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:10.37 | ckknight | especially for the fontstring stuff |
| 20:10.41 | Ratbert_CP | ~slap kergoth |
| 20:10.43 | purl | ACTION slaps kergoth, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:11.23 | Wobin | hm |
| 20:11.27 | Wobin | have to hook into Bag Open |
| 20:13.33 | Wobin | Oh and it currently sorts alphabetically within the categories |
| 20:13.50 | ckknight | alriht |
| 20:13.52 | ckknight | alright* |
| 20:20.06 | *** part/#wowace Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@proxy-ce3.disney.com) |
| 20:33.47 | ckknight | what? |
| 20:33.56 | phyber | Location Fu is broken |
| 20:34.14 | phyber | http://ace.pastebin.com/766051 |
| 20:35.12 | ckknight | thought I fixed it |
| 20:35.54 | ckknight | get the svn? |
| 20:35.57 | phyber | hmm, maybe I need an exit instead of a reloadui then |
| 20:37.15 | phyber | yup. that fixed it. |
| 20:37.20 | phyber | sorry for the fist shaking :p |
| 20:38.25 | ckknight | what? |
| 20:38.49 | maia | eww, I accidentially did SquishyFrame:StartSizing("BOTTOMRIGHT"), now it has a wrong size and I cannot find where wow saves that wrong size (as it even stays at that size on reloadui) |
| 20:39.03 | maia | it's not in layout-cache.txt, where could it be? |
| 20:39.40 | phyber | Wobin: funny stuff with PlowKing |
| 20:39.44 | hyperChipmunk | the checkargs stuff breaks stuff =P |
| 20:39.51 | phyber | Wobin: do '/pk standby' a few times, and you'll see :) |
| 20:40.08 | Wobin | yow |
| 20:40.16 | Wobin | Woohoo! Dupe bug! |
| 20:40.36 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, oh? |
| 20:40.47 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, like what? |
| 20:41.14 | phyber | hehe |
| 20:41.20 | maia | anyone know? |
| 20:41.49 | ckknight | I'd've assumed layout-cache.txt |
| 20:42.50 | maia | err, nevermind. I opened the wrong layout-cache.txt. Note to myself: maia is not equal to maiatest. |
| 20:43.05 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r2452 10PlowKing/PlowKing.lua: PlowKing - Fixed a standby issue where it was duping everything =) |
| 20:43.33 | hyperChipmunk | that was the glorylib errors; they don't fail gracefully on nil |
| 20:43.36 | hyperChipmunk | I think you fixed one of them |
| 20:44.46 | Wobin | argh |
| 20:44.47 | Wobin | daylight |
| 20:44.48 | Wobin | night =P |
| 20:48.21 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, add "nil" to the checks, then |
| 20:50.14 | hyperChipmunk | I'll check it on my end of things |
| 20:50.26 | hyperChipmunk | probably should have been doing that anyways |
| 20:50.57 | ckknight | yea |
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| 20:58.25 | snurre- | this is so weird, fubar completely bugs on one of my chars |
| 21:00.14 | ckknight_ | and who's to blame? |
| 21:00.23 | ckknight_ | I'll tell you who |
| 21:00.25 | ckknight_ | um |
| 21:00.29 | ckknight_ | Elkano, |
| 21:00.31 | ckknight_ | yea |
| 21:00.32 | ckknight_ | him |
| 21:00.37 | ckknight_ | blame Elkano |
| 21:00.58 | Elkano | only because I'm balck :( |
| 21:01.04 | Elkano | s/balck/black/ |
| 21:01.08 | maia | anyone familiar with ClearAllPoints, SetPoint and GetEffectiveScale? |
| 21:01.34 | ckknight_ | yes |
| 21:01.38 | ckknight_ | that must be it |
| 21:01.48 | ckknight_ | maia, what about it? |
| 21:02.06 | maia | well, I'm trying to figure out how to keep a frame at it's spot when being scaled |
| 21:02.28 | phyber | if you figure that out, do tell :) |
| 21:02.54 | maia | so I assumed I'd do a x = f.GetLeft() y = f.GetTop() f.SetScale(new) SquishyFrame:SetPoint("BOTTOM","UIParent","LEFT",x,y) |
| 21:03.06 | maia | oh, add a ClearAllPoints in there. |
| 21:03.15 | maia | but I can't get it to work. |
| 21:03.40 | maia | phyber: so this is something noone has figured out yet? |
| 21:04.22 | ckknight_ | yea |
| 21:04.24 | ckknight_ | : not . |
| 21:04.51 | maia | because e.g. interestingly GetLeft will return the same value for any SetScale, while GetBottom will return different stuff. |
| 21:05.21 | maia | ckknight_: okay, so I'll simply forget about it for the moment. |
| 21:05.40 | ckknight_ | are you using . or :? |
| 21:06.09 | clad|sleep | i'll try when i get home |
| 21:06.09 | clad|sleep | =) |
| 21:06.11 | maia | : |
| 21:06.23 | clad|sleep | i can make it work in an OnUpdate |
| 21:06.27 | maia | um, my bad ;) |
| 21:06.51 | ckknight_ | hey clad|sleep |
| 21:06.53 | maia | clad|sleep: scaling and OnUpdate? or are you referring to something else? |
| 21:07.19 | clad|sleep | maia: Nope, referring to you =) |
| 21:07.21 | maia | ah |
| 21:07.22 | clad|sleep | it wouoldn't need to be onUpdate |
| 21:07.35 | clad|sleep | just would need to hook setscale() |
| 21:07.39 | clad|sleep | either way works. |
| 21:07.41 | maia | clad|sleep: ah... |
| 21:07.47 | clad|sleep | no trickery |
| 21:07.52 | clad|sleep | just need to svae position, restore position. |
| 21:08.26 | maia | clad|sleep: interestingly noone seems to have found out how to keep the position yet though. the only addons I've seen that work properly use :StartSizing and then do a lot of crap ;) |
| 21:09.20 | maia | clad|sleep: oh, and you might like to hear that the roster problems are partly solved. blizzard confirmed a bug, its fixed in 1.11 and we even found a workaround. |
| 21:10.18 | clad|sleep | yay |
| 21:10.38 | maia | see my post in developers corner for details |
| 21:11.04 | clad|sleep | maia: hook the setscale() method.. use the code i use in PR to save the frame position.. then call the native setscale().. then use the code in PR to restore the frame position |
| 21:11.08 | clad|sleep | that's the gist of it =) |
| 21:11.16 | clad|sleep | its scale independant. |
| 21:11.29 | clad|sleep | 100,200 is always 100,200 regardless of scale |
| 21:11.36 | Tain | :( |
| 21:11.40 | Tain | I don't like that implementation. |
| 21:11.43 | clad|sleep | with the exception of UIParent scaling.. which I could cover, but haven't yet. |
| 21:11.48 | clad|sleep | Tain: Neither does MY MOM. |
| 21:11.56 | Tain | I almost did it with Visor but changed it quickly. |
| 21:12.07 | clad|sleep | Why dont you like it? |
| 21:12.33 | Tain | Because ... well because I'm a bit of a dick. |
| 21:12.57 | Tain | And I think people should learn what it means when you set the position based on scale. |
| 21:13.10 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 21:13.12 | kergoth | i dont like using pixel values at all. i think most layout makse more sense storing it by percentage of screen size than by pixel |
| 21:13.25 | clad|sleep | kergoth: Why? the pixel values are always consistent |
| 21:13.37 | clad|sleep | desktopbsd or pcbsd? |
| 21:13.45 | clad|sleep | if i decide not to just roll my own free |
| 21:14.01 | Tain | Plus you start having to cascade calculations as scales change. |
| 21:14.14 | clad|sleep | O.o |
| 21:14.15 | clad|sleep | huh? |
| 21:14.27 | ckknight_ | kergoth, I kinda agree |
| 21:14.44 | clad|sleep | its not ideal.. but it works, and its always correct |
| 21:14.53 | clad|sleep | i'd rather we had something else, but we don't *shrug* |
| 21:15.36 | Tain | It does work. |
| 21:15.49 | Tain | I just don't like it and since I'm a loud-mouthed braggart I'll say so! |
| 21:15.55 | clad|gym | BOO! |
| 21:15.56 | ckknight_ | well, I'm gonna play Civ4 for a little bit |
| 21:16.42 | Tain | I'm trying to decide whether or not I should buy a laptop to be able to roam the apartment wirelessly. |
| 21:16.52 | Tain | Well, mostly so I can sit on the couch with it and watch TV at the same time. |
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| 21:17.48 | maia | hm, I still don't understand why I can't just grab current x,y,scale, then :SetScale, then ClearAllPoints and SetPoint with the originally saved data. |
| 21:18.00 | ckknight_ | Tain, my preferred way is with a projector and picture in picture |
| 21:18.02 | maia | why would I need to hook anything? |
| 21:18.24 | clad|gym | you dont |
| 21:18.28 | clad|gym | it was a theoretical hook |
| 21:18.38 | clad|gym | if you're handling it through a slash command only its trivial. |
| 21:18.48 | clad|gym | SaveFramePosition() then RestoreFramePosition() before and after the call |
| 21:18.52 | clad|gym | save before, restore afterwards |
| 21:19.30 | clad|gym | you have to convert to "universal pixels" as i like to call them.. converting everything to UIParent's scale. |
| 21:19.34 | clad|gym | thats what that code code. |
| 21:19.38 | clad|gym | s/code./does./ |
| 21:19.39 | Tain | I don't have enough space for a projector. :( Rooms are too narrow for one really, and have a slanting wall on one side. |
| 21:20.47 | Tain | Oooh latest thedailywtf makes my head want to cry. |
| 21:21.23 | Industrial | LOL your head cant cry slly |
| 21:21.26 | Industrial | you need eyes for that |
| 21:21.38 | ckknight_ | tain, link |
| 21:21.53 | Tain | http://thedailywtf.com/default.aspx |
| 21:21.53 | Industrial | I spend too much time behind the computer |
| 21:21.57 | Industrial | when i close my eyes |
| 21:21.59 | Industrial | they hurt |
| 21:22.00 | Industrial | :| |
| 21:22.06 | Tain | Don't close them! |
| 21:22.19 | Tain | That keeps all the bad visions inside. |
| 21:23.15 | clad|gym | haha |
| 21:23.18 | clad|gym | ok bye |
| 21:23.19 | ckknight_ | lol, I bet I know what he did, Tain |
| 21:23.29 | maia | clad|gym: you're my hero! |
| 21:23.30 | ckknight_ | I bet he made download slower |
| 21:24.39 | phyber | clad|gym: epic win. |
| 21:24.48 | phyber | self:SavePosition() |
| 21:24.48 | phyber | self:Scale(val) |
| 21:24.48 | phyber | self:RestorePosition() |
| 21:24.50 | phyber | <3 |
| 21:25.04 | phyber | so simple :/ |
| 21:25.36 | Tain | haha I love this comment: |
| 21:25.37 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.53 | phyber | hah |
| 21:26.38 | kergoth | clad|gym: lay out your ui just the way you like it at 1680x1050 full screen, then drop down to 1024x768 windowed, then tell me layout by pixel is a good thing. |
| 21:26.41 | kergoth | clad|gym: :P |
| 21:27.14 | phyber | kergoth: things going offscreen like that should be fixed in 1.11 though, right? |
| 21:27.52 | phyber | oh, actually. looks like it only applies to dragging a frame. |
| 21:28.01 | phyber | * NEW Frame:SetClampedToScreen(clamped) - Set whether frame is prohibited from being dragged off screen |
| 21:30.02 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r2453 10AceXPBar/AceXPBar.lua: |
| 21:30.02 | CIA-17 | AceXPBar: |
| 21:30.02 | CIA-17 | - Frame no longer jumps about when being scaled. Epic [Win] for clad. |
| 21:32.37 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r2454 10/branches/AceGCInfo/: AceGCInfo - Creating branch path |
| 21:33.16 | phyber | :o |
| 21:33.19 | phyber | what are you changing? :) |
| 21:33.40 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub 07Tekkub * r2455 10AceGCInfo/ (. AceGCInfo.lua AceGCInfo.toc AceGCInfoLocals.lua): |
| 21:33.40 | CIA-17 | AceGCInfo - Tekkub's branch |
| 21:33.41 | CIA-17 | This is a FuBar'd version of the old AceGCInfo, putting it up for fiber to have an example of how to FuBar the current AceGCInfo *hint hint* |
| 21:33.43 | Tekkub | *hint hint hint* |
| 21:33.53 | phyber | I was thinking of it |
| 21:34.00 | Tekkub | think less |
| 21:34.02 | Tekkub | do more |
| 21:34.04 | phyber | and then I kept thinking, but there's PerformanceFu, but now I'll do it :) |
| 21:34.17 | Tekkub | I don't like PerfFu's memory ticks |
| 21:34.28 | Tekkub | it averages across 10 seconds, AceGCInfo doesn't |
| 21:34.30 | phyber | since I don't use PerformanceFu, I should have already done this :p |
| 21:34.39 | Tekkub | I don't want them averaged |
| 21:34.45 | phyber | yup. I hate averaging :) |
| 21:34.54 | Tain | I want realtime data points every OnUpdate! |
| 21:36.14 | phyber | right, I'll try completing this quest as my druid, then I'll FuBar it up. |
| 21:36.43 | Tekkub | make it smart, if Fu is around load into it, if it's not load the old way |
| 21:38.23 | phyber | I'll check out how KIC does that :) |
| 21:40.52 | phyber | maybe I'll rename it AceGCInFu. |
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| 21:41.07 | phyber | not because it depends on fu, but because it can use it. |
| 21:42.40 | phyber | ahh, I see. he overwrites the normal functions if FuBar exists. |
| 21:43.02 | phyber | oh, wait. they have slightly different names. |
| 21:43.16 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2456 10Squishy/ (Squishy.xml core.lua options.lua): Squishy: Frame no longer jumps about when being scaled. Epic [Win] for clad. |
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| 21:44.51 | phyber | bah, screw it. back to Darkshore and code this fubar thing. |
| 21:47.09 | snurre- | i love my guild.. we're on cthun, but after 5 wipes on onyxia we give up :p |
| 21:47.33 | phyber | but onyxia deep breaths more in phase 2. so it's understandable. |
| 21:47.44 | snurre- | pfft, deep breath is no problem whatsoever |
| 21:47.54 | snurre- | my hunter has never been hit by one |
| 21:48.15 | phyber | we never get hit either. we just have everyone stood at the sides all the time. |
| 21:48.23 | snurre- | im amazed so few have actually understood how it works |
| 21:48.28 | phyber | you might get hit if you're right under her when she does it, but only once or twice. |
| 21:49.09 | phyber | snurre-: enlighten me. I have heard so many "OMG, IT WORKS LIKE THIS". one of them must be true :) |
| 21:49.31 | snurre- | in phase two she moves between 6 different spots in the cave |
| 21:50.19 | snurre- | she starts south, then moves north after 10sec. each 15 (or was it 20) sec she will move counter- or clockwise |
| 21:50.31 | snurre- | 1/6th of a circle to the next spot |
| 21:50.47 | snurre- | at each movement she has 30% chance of Deep Breath, 70% chance of moving normally |
| 21:51.18 | snurre- | if she deep breath's she will move across the room to the opposite location |
| 21:51.28 | snurre- | and another movement 15/20 sec later |
| 21:52.13 | phyber | nice. |
| 21:52.43 | snurre- | the deep breath goes in a line from her position, diagonally through the center. If your raid moves along with her in the air, and stays on each of her flanks (spread out so you wont all get hit by the aoe fireballs), you will never get hit by it |
| 21:53.53 | snurre- | back at 1.10 or so (when they fucked up the deep breath rate), they basically made it 70% chance of breath instead of 70% chance of movement :p |
| 21:54.03 | phyber | hah |
| 21:54.31 | snurre- | in the holy words of Pat Nagle: Oops. |
| 21:55.18 | phyber | you don't happen to work for them do you? |
| 21:55.36 | phyber | being in Velizy, France and being the first person to explain Onyxia in a way that makes sense. |
| 21:56.49 | snurre- | dunno what you're talking about :p (and no, this is absolutely no insider strategy.. only personal studies) |
| 21:56.58 | phyber | fair enough :) |
| 21:57.18 | phyber | I just wondered, since all of their jobs are "Position based in Velizy, France (southwest of Paris)" |
| 21:57.38 | maia | snurre-: now please explain a working horde strat for razorgore, my guild can't kill him since the totem nerf. (yeah, we're a casual group) |
| 21:58.02 | snurre- | we have no problems kiting them with totems |
| 21:58.25 | maia | hm. do you let tanks control the orb and then kite the mobs with them? |
| 21:59.07 | snurre- | we use either one of the tanks or a rogue for the orb |
| 21:59.25 | snurre- | then kill all orcs as long as we can in each corner |
| 21:59.30 | snurre- | as soon as theyre too many, shamans take over |
| 21:59.39 | maia | we usually have 4-5 shamans, totems in each corner plus one in center. tanks control orb and kite after controlling. but the mobs seem to attack the totems or get loose... |
| 22:00.01 | snurre- | ah |
| 22:00.11 | maia | shamans take over? so they don't drop totems and kite in the beginning? |
| 22:00.17 | snurre- | not in the start, no |
| 22:00.22 | snurre- | we use 4 shamans kiting in middle |
| 22:00.33 | snurre- | earthshocking to pull adds when they can |
| 22:00.40 | maia | so shamans start kiting once there are too many orcs? hm, interesting. |
| 22:00.49 | snurre- | they put their totem in the middle of each of the four squares in the middle |
| 22:01.02 | snurre- | so you get four totems in a square |
| 22:01.07 | snurre- | covering a rather large area |
| 22:01.14 | maia | (btw, snurre, I really appreciate your input) |
| 22:01.20 | snurre- | and the shamans run along the outer line of the square |
| 22:01.54 | snurre- | hehe, np.. i consider myself rather noob at most of these encounters since ive 1) not done them very often 2) not paid attention half the time, since ive been playing from work :p |
| 22:02.14 | maia | it sounds like you clear BWL in 3hrs though. |
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| 22:03.00 | maia | we've been close to nef, then came server transfers, we lost 15ppl due to the transfer, then came 1.10 and now we're stuck at razor again. :( |
| 22:03.06 | snurre- | we do, sometimes |
| 22:03.14 | snurre- | i think our record is 2h 50ish mins |
| 22:03.25 | maia | so, just to get it right: what do shamans do until there are too many orcs to handle? |
| 22:03.27 | snurre- | but my guild's performance is a fucking jojo |
| 22:03.42 | snurre- | help meleeing in each corner |
| 22:03.58 | maia | and, do priests do anything in phase1? seems as if 2 renews/shields generate enough aggro to pull some mobs off the shamans. |
| 22:04.28 | snurre- | im not sure.. i think they throw a renew here and there.. at least keep the shamans shielded from time to time |
| 22:05.53 | maia | we'll try that tonight. |
| 22:06.10 | snurre- | gl :) |
| 22:06.31 | maia | oh, and what about rogues controlling the orb? why that? |
| 22:07.12 | Mikma | maia: alliance/horde? |
| 22:07.16 | maia | horde |
| 22:07.21 | Mikma | mmkay then |
| 22:07.32 | Mikma | my last guild used the same paladin everytime |
| 22:07.36 | snurre- | because rogues can vanish and let the tanks get aggro |
| 22:07.41 | maia | okay. |
| 22:07.53 | maia | and approximately how long can the corners control all orcs? |
| 22:07.53 | snurre- | doesnt really matter though.. could use a hunter too, but then you cant use them to kite any dragons |
| 22:08.10 | snurre- | we do it 3-4 waves or so i think |
| 22:08.18 | Mikma | until the eggs are destroyed xD |
| 22:08.38 | Mikma | oh noes! |
| 22:09.33 | maia | and the totems are placed in the middle of each side of the rectangle? |
| 22:11.12 | snurre- | the middle square is divided into 4 smaller squares. the totems are placed in the middle of each of the small ones |
| 22:11.38 | maia | ah. not easy to see with the 2FPS I have ;) |
| 22:11.54 | snurre- | totem range should then cover the entire square, and shamans use the big square as kiting route |
| 22:12.40 | Mikma | maia: 2fps rocks, go 32mb radeon! |
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| 22:13.38 | phyber | ok, I put that onyxia information in my guilds forum. let's see how long it takes for them to disregard it. |
| 22:14.07 | maia | Mikma: yeah, my old iBook. |
| 22:14.13 | Tain | Wow, just looked at a few laptops and came across Acer's 20.1" screen laptop. |
| 22:14.26 | Tain | It's 17lbs. |
| 22:14.28 | snurre- | phyber: my bet is about 10 minutes until someone calls it bullshit |
| 22:14.31 | maia | snurre-: oh, and mages and rogues still kite/kill mages? |
| 22:14.40 | phyber | snurre-: most likely :) |
| 22:14.50 | snurre- | all dps just kill mages |
| 22:14.58 | phyber | they don't want to deviate from the "it's because of not enough DOTS and bunching together" |
| 22:14.59 | Mikma | Tain: smacbook ftw ;) (well, when they get updated or so) |
| 22:15.26 | snurre- | phyber: not even my guild is willing to listen to me |
| 22:15.27 | maia | so who kills the orcs if mages/rogues focus on the mages? only shamans? |
| 22:16.06 | snurre- | they don't spawn simultanously.. afaik they have slightly different spawn timers.. in the start, everyone just kills the first thing that pops |
| 22:16.16 | snurre- | (except dragons) |
| 22:16.50 | snurre- | kill the first 4-5 mobs, then one more legionnaire and let shamans take the next. after that, only kill mages |
| 22:18.02 | maia | posting this in my guild forum :) |
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| 22:22.19 | maia | guess it's time for a #wowstrategy channel |
| 22:23.38 | maia | snurre, you're my hero. |
| 22:23.52 | snurre- | lol |
| 22:42.25 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2457 10Squishy/ (core.lua roster.lua): Squishy: workaround for problems when joining a party. Needs a better solution though. |
| 22:48.18 | phyber | Tekkub: I have AceGCInFu kind of working :) |
| 22:48.25 | phyber | should be nice by tomorrow night. |
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| 22:54.24 | CIA-17 | 03handdol * r2458 10oRA/oRA_CoreLocals.lua: |
| 22:54.25 | CIA-17 | oRA |
| 22:54.25 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.42 | Neronix | Haha |
| 22:58.57 | Neronix | my adversary's trying to upstage me |
| 22:59.14 | Neronix | him and his table-spewing, ps3-sized parser |
| 23:01.30 | Neronix | He updates on every. single. event. (And generates a non-compostable table that's passed as an arg for each event too). Overkill |
| 23:02.08 | Neronix | His option toggler is just like mine. I'm flattered |
| 23:03.08 | Neronix | He's using the deprecated FuBar Utils. I just use plain colour strings |
| 23:04.13 | phyber | FuBar: DPS? |
| 23:04.40 | Neronix | Yeah |
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| 23:07.39 | cladhaire | nero: link to your competitor? |
| 23:07.52 | Neronix | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5013-FuBar_-_DPS.html |
| 23:08.17 | cladhaire | lolz |
| 23:08.29 | Neronix | Now that PArserLib's deformat is based on Babble's, his parser is just mine + shitloads of fluff |
| 23:09.11 | Neronix | The only reason someone want want to use that over NSFu is if people are too goddamn lazy to manage a dependency |
| 23:10.20 | cladhaire | what dependency? |
| 23:10.24 | Neronix | NS |
| 23:12.13 | cladhaire | aah |
| 23:12.16 | cladhaire | can't you make NS dual |
| 23:12.25 | cladhaire | as in make it a fubar plugin if fubar is available? |
| 23:12.28 | cladhaire | seems like it would't be tough |
| 23:12.36 | cladhaire | brb.. going to parents house for a few |
| 23:13.35 | Neronix | That would violate design goal 4: Kill bloat with fire |
| 23:13.53 | Neronix | If people don't want the FuBar functionality, they won't even have to load the code for it |
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| 23:26.01 | kergoth | Neronix: you could still avoid loading the code. check if fubar is running in your .lua before defining any of the functions or anything for integrating with fubar |
| 23:26.11 | kergoth | Neronix: then add fubar to your optional deps so its loaded first if its around |
| 23:26.33 | phyber | if FuBar then |
| 23:26.39 | phyber | like KeepItCool |
| 23:27.22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:29.37 | Neronix | I don't want to even have the code that defines the functions |
| 23:32.11 | *** join/#wowace snurre (n=snurre@AVelizy-153-1-30-122.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:32.18 | snurre | http://snurre.110mb.com/phase1.jpg |
| 23:33.18 | phyber | i understand. |
| 23:33.54 | snurre | gonna make more pics for my new onyxia guide (which my guild desperately needs) |
| 23:34.11 | phyber | noobs run to the whelp cave while fire resist guy runs away from big dragon, amirite?! |
| 23:35.40 | Neronix | Yar |
| 23:35.49 | kergoth | Neronix: what do you mean? |
| 23:35.51 | Neronix | and if you don't spawn whelps, you get a 50dkp minus :P |
| 23:36.09 | kergoth | after it reads in the .lua, it compiles it into a lua binary chunk, which acts like a function. it then executes the function and lets the binary chunk get gc'd |
| 23:36.49 | kergoth | so that code, if made conditional in the .lua, only exists for the period until it gets gc'd, and that happens regardless, and in compiled form is miniscule, likely not even a measurable difference in your case |
| 23:37.03 | Neronix | I see |
| 23:37.15 | kergoth | its like the libraries. they're only defined inside of the if block that checks if it already exists |
| 23:37.18 | kergoth | works just fine |
| 23:37.31 | Neronix | It won't be a problem to get that implemented. NS is due for a rewrite anyways |
| 23:38.25 | Neronix | I'm worried that it's turning into a Rube Goldberg machine, hence I'm coming up with a new design |
| 23:39.15 | Neronix | One that allows for modularity (Split into core mod, and plugins like healing mod, damage mod, etc.) and gets rid of any current mess |
| 23:42.51 | Neronix`sleep | night |
| 23:46.55 | Mikma | snurre: nice photo :D |
