| 00:00.04 | kergoth | the old method was there for super, without it super does not work |
| 00:01.06 | kergoth | anyway, i'm glad you made that change, it simplifies things for the current model |
| 00:01.49 | ckknight | yes |
| 00:03.01 | ckknight | I'm gonna paste something, so you can see where my thoughts were |
| 00:03.41 | ckknight | http://ace.pastebin.com/703558 |
| 00:03.46 | ckknight | that works now |
| 00:04.27 | ckknight | it's true |
| 00:04.35 | ckknight | http://ace.pastebin.com/703559 |
| 00:04.38 | kergoth | right, in the old one you'd have to reference obj, not self |
| 00:04.40 | ckknight | that's a possible syntax |
| 00:04.53 | ckknight | right. |
| 00:05.11 | ckknight | now, it more resembles "traditional" OO frameworks, with self being what you're manipulating |
| 00:06.17 | ckknight | with the .super table, you should only have to change the class when you change the name of the class, not the parent |
| 00:11.58 | ckknight | I hope I'm not impinging |
| 00:12.56 | Tem | Thrae, you needed something? |
| 00:15.59 | Mikma | haste: that's like, megasuperadvanced in ouf2 |
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| 00:18.29 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r2673 10AceLibrary/AceOO.lua: AceOO - added .super to all classes, which is a reference to the superclass. |
| 00:18.53 | ckknight | oh, kergoth |
| 00:18.58 | Galka | Im getting a SEEmbedKey error. NanoStats and Fubar use it. Whats up :/ |
| 00:19.09 | ckknight | is inherits(Alpha, Alpha) true or false? |
| 00:20.17 | ckknight | Galka, see Tekkub |
| 00:27.17 | maia | Mikma: yes. I'm the one with the iBook |
| 00:27.25 | maia | Cairenn: thanks a lot! |
| 00:27.41 | Cairenn | you are quite welcome |
| 00:29.15 | Mikma | maia: ok, what was the thing you said about the future updates of smacbooks? |
| 00:29.26 | Mikma | maia: where can i find info about that? |
| 00:29.27 | kergoth | ckknight, hmm, if i asked if alpha inherited alpha, i'd say no, but inherits() is gonna be used to check if a table implements a given interface, really, so in that case i'd say yes |
| 00:29.35 | kergoth | arg, i'm hung up at Connecting... |
| 00:29.41 | ckknight | yea, I know, there are arguments both ways |
| 00:29.43 | kergoth | anyone else having connection difficulties, or just me? |
| 00:29.48 | hyperChipmunk | I am |
| 00:29.55 | maia | Mikma: MacBooks will be upgraded in autumn. probably with core2 duo. |
| 00:30.05 | Mikma | maia: and... by iBook battery is going to be replaced, it's in the replace-list :P |
| 00:30.42 | Mikma | maia: check out is your battery on the list too https://depot.info.apple.com/batteryexchange/ |
| 00:31.10 | maia | Mikma: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ might be interesting |
| 00:31.52 | maia | bought my iBook in april04, so they wont replace my battery. |
| 00:32.24 | Mikma | yeah seems like it's out of the range |
| 00:32.38 | Mikma | but you still can look the code from the battery if it has been replaced before or so |
| 00:33.07 | ckknight | kergoth, in Python, issubclass(Alpha, Alpha) is True, so I'm leaving it be |
| 00:33.10 | maia | just checked... nope. |
| 00:33.39 | haste | Mikma, huh? |
| 00:34.22 | Mikma | haste: <3 you and UF ;) |
| 00:34.24 | maia | kergoth: login servers down |
| 00:34.28 | maia | at least us. |
| 00:34.34 | maia | *US. ;) |
| 00:52.31 | Mikma | hmm |
| 00:55.39 | ckknight | hmm! |
| 00:57.09 | maia | hmm. |
| 00:57.33 | Tekcub | *mumble* |
| 00:57.35 | Kyahx|AFK | hmm |
| 00:57.50 | Tekcub | I need Beast porn to make up for his lack of showing fur in that movie |
| 00:57.59 | Mikma | this is truly fun, looking through good code and learning |
| 00:58.07 | Kyahx|AFK | Tek, you scare me some times |
| 00:58.17 | Tekcub | uhm... who's code is that? |
| 00:58.25 | Mikma | Tekcub: i'm kinda sad because he wasn't that athletic in the movie than he was in the comics |
| 00:58.28 | Tekcub | why khocks? |
| 00:58.29 | Mikma | Tekcub: Haste's oUF2 |
| 00:58.59 | maia | Kyahx|AFK: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info5048-SmartRes.html |
| 00:59.04 | ckknight | Mikma, well, he's an intellectual, that's what he did mostly, only in the fight scene did he let his claws out |
| 00:59.29 | Tekcub | I like that they gave him the old, open uniform |
| 00:59.30 | Kyahx|AFK | maia: nice |
| 00:59.32 | Mikma | ckknight: but in the comics he was intellectual and athletic. also hairy ;D |
| 00:59.43 | Tekcub | but that movie was so dark I never got a good view of his fur |
| 01:00.01 | maia | afk again, AV just starting. back in about 35-40min :) |
| 01:00.11 | ckknight | what do I do now? |
| 01:01.33 | Tekcub | okey..... gmail hath imploded.... |
| 01:01.38 | Tekcub | I have a spammail.... |
| 01:01.50 | Tekcub | this is the entirity of it... |
| 01:01.51 | Tekcub | From: |
| 01:01.51 | Tekcub | To: |
| 01:01.51 | Tekcub | Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:38:28 -0500 |
| 01:01.51 | Tekcub | Subject: |
| 01:03.18 | Tekcub | hrm... the source cuts out midstream, like it never completed transfer but still delivered the bits... |
| 01:03.19 | Tekcub | Message-Id: <448c8d54.68c8c97d.0155.fffff082SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> |
| 01:03.19 | Tekcub | Received: (qmail 2[5 |
| 01:12.34 | hyperChipmunk | gaaaaaa |
| 01:14.08 | hyperChipmunk | I logged out to test my implementation of a Target-of-Target frame for oUF2 for you, haste...and now I can't log in! |
| 01:14.17 | hyperChipmunk | it's all your fault |
| 01:16.59 | ckknight | still don't know what to call my blog |
| 01:17.05 | ckknight | probably something to do with coding, though |
| 01:17.10 | ckknight | since I do that a lot |
| 01:21.59 | kergoth | battlefield commander rocks. http://kergoth.com/wow_008.jpg |
| 01:22.04 | Tekcub | morse code? |
| 01:24.50 | ckknight | kergoth, did you send me those tests? cause nothing's in my inbox |
| 01:25.00 | ckknight | nor the spam folder either |
| 01:26.48 | kergoth | i didnt realize there was a time constraint involved |
| 01:27.04 | ckknight | sorry, but it seems like a simple task |
| 01:27.09 | ckknight | and I'm kinda waiting for it |
| 01:28.52 | Tain | Gah I'm still struggling with getting myself to spend the money to buy new hardware so my fileserver will actually be RAID5 and not a spof. |
| 01:29.12 | ckknight | RAID-5 is happy |
| 01:29.17 | kergoth | simplicity doesnt have anything to do with it. i'll send it when i get around to sending it, and not before. whine all you like. |
| 01:30.12 | ckknight | the slow nature of the whole operation irks me |
| 01:30.53 | ckknight | because it's either I write a whole bunch of unit tests blindly, or I work on yours and get a better end result |
| 01:30.55 | kergoth | its done on personal time, itll go at the pace people want it to go |
| 01:31.03 | kergoth | and not at yours |
| 01:31.53 | ckknight | guess that means I'll be taking the first route |
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| 01:32.20 | maia | back. 32min AV, new record. :) |
| 01:32.52 | ckknight | congrats |
| 01:33.18 | maia | 14min to stormpike. |
| 01:34.24 | maia | kergoth: battlefield commander needs an ace'd version. just a small map frame, no extra features. |
| 01:38.34 | kergoth | maia, agreed, all the fancy comms stuff is a bit overkill |
| 01:39.32 | maia | and it should crop the map as much as only possible. I don't need to see hills where noone can go to. I want a clean map. |
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| 01:45.36 | hyperChipmunk | omg I got logged into the forums |
| 01:45.48 | Mikma | you bastard! |
| 01:46.35 | Tem | I *love* this stragegy that we're using on Nef |
| 01:48.09 | haste | explain? :D |
| 01:50.20 | haste | or yo don\t have to, going to bed |
| 01:50.41 | haste | hm,, keyboard is suddenly US :o |
| 01:51.16 | haste | anyway, gn |
| 01:51.21 | haste | and good luck to you hyperChipmunk <( |
| 01:51.25 | haste | grr :) * |
| 01:52.19 | Tem | oh, sorry |
| 01:52.32 | Tem | we're using the "aoe one side dd the other" |
| 01:52.53 | Tem | but on the AoE side, we're using a lock to hellfire tank it |
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| 01:56.06 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r2674 10BigWigs/ (Bars.lua Core.lua): BigWigs - Fixed bar scale error (once again copy/paste bites me in the ass) |
| 01:57.03 | Wobin | lemme know if you're up for some levelling, Tek =) |
| 01:57.56 | Tekcub | haste went beddybye didn't he... |
| 01:58.12 | Mikma | i think i'm starting to get the idea how createframe works |
| 01:58.27 | Tekcub | only now you're starting to like it? you slow :) |
| 01:58.44 | Wobin | Innit great? |
| 01:59.35 | Mikma | Tekcub: well you'll have to think sometimes that most of the people don't know as much as you do |
| 01:59.46 | Tekcub | I know something? |
| 01:59.49 | Tekcub | wow I didn't know that |
| 01:59.50 | Mikma | for me it's a new thing which i learned today |
| 02:00.07 | Tekcub | I got something else you can learn |
| 02:00.13 | Mikma | life |
| 02:01.04 | Mikma | wow, that's lame |
| 02:01.12 | Tekcub | I know, I am aren't I? |
| 02:01.23 | Mikma | ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, here you can screw those while you wait i learn it |
| 02:01.36 | Tekcub | comma sutra! |
| 02:02.06 | Tekcub | so I'm in a mood today :P |
| 02:02.29 | ckknight | Mikma, I knew how CreateFrame worked before I even heard of it. |
| 02:02.30 | ckknight | take that. |
| 02:02.31 | Tekcub | it's cause it's too fucking hot here and I had to be outdoors for, well I had to go outdoors at least once |
| 02:02.46 | Tekcub | and now I have to again |
| 02:02.50 | Tekcub | but I don't wanna |
| 02:03.08 | Tekcub | if I sweat any more I'll start loosing weight, and noone wants that |
| 02:03.21 | ckknight | how much do you weigh? |
| 02:03.27 | Tekcub | uh |
| 02:03.41 | Tekcub | prolly bout 230# now thanks to Trey's eating/cooking habits |
| 02:03.54 | ckknight | what's wrong with losing weight, then? |
| 02:04.11 | Tekcub | I don't like sweating, that's what |
| 02:04.22 | Tekcub | I sweat like a person with a glandular problem |
| 02:04.24 | Mikma | http://tinyurl.com/es4lr there ya go |
| 02:04.50 | Tekcub | lemon! |
| 02:05.02 | Tekcub | OH GOD IT BURNS! |
| 02:05.48 | Tekcub | okey fine, I'll go do my stupid laundry for jerks... and close the stupid pool for jerks too |
| 02:10.26 | Wobin | http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2277/reflector7au.jpg |
| 02:10.27 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:10.32 | Wobin | there's a mage that doesn't learn =) |
| 02:11.23 | Wobin | man.. the first bolt reflected.. so lets use PoM and Unstable Power =P |
| 02:13.49 | Wobin | restarting for new toitlesvn |
| 02:22.48 | Kyahx|AFK | ha |
| 02:24.26 | Tekcub | dat's good |
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| 02:25.09 | hyperChipmunk | wb |
| 02:25.12 | Wobin | ta |
| 02:26.12 | Tekcub | dat's good |
| 02:26.21 | Wobin | woot =P |
| 02:26.50 | hyperChipmunk | nyargh |
| 02:26.53 | hyperChipmunk | lemme in |
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| 02:29.36 | ckknight | hey Wobin |
| 02:29.39 | Wobin | yeah? |
| 02:29.47 | ckknight | just saying hey |
| 02:29.53 | ckknight | turns out you left |
| 02:29.56 | ckknight | then came back |
| 02:30.10 | Wobin | oh =) |
| 02:30.12 | Wobin | hey ckknight =) |
| 02:33.20 | Wobin | Well that's brilliant =P |
| 02:33.25 | Wobin | Cream has frozen on me |
| 02:33.43 | hyperChipmunk | zounds |
| 02:39.26 | Wobin | argh |
| 02:39.35 | Wobin | someone wants a slot specific ignore on MrPlow |
| 02:43.01 | ckknight | Wobin, your cream has frozen? |
| 02:43.08 | ckknight | so you have frozen cream? |
| 02:43.12 | ckknight | or nay, iced cream? |
| 02:43.17 | Wobin | mmm |
| 02:49.03 | hyperChipmunk | la la la la |
| 02:49.19 | ckknight | tra la la |
| 02:51.16 | Wobin | That's what they all say |
| 02:51.23 | Wobin | Then sure enough, the next day, they're back |
| 02:51.36 | hyperChipmunk | they ought to give a warning when login servers are down |
| 02:51.42 | hyperChipmunk | so we know not to log out |
| 02:53.16 | Tekcub | "Are you _SURE_ you want to log out? You won't get back in..." |
| 02:53.43 | hyperChipmunk | yes |
| 02:54.09 | Tekcub | if LoginServerDown() then... |
| 02:54.17 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:54.23 | Wobin | That'd be a lifesaver of a mod |
| 02:54.24 | Tekcub | someone request that from slouken :) |
| 02:54.30 | Wobin | I bet it'd beat the downloads for Catalyst =P |
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| 03:04.57 | ckknight | another Wobin? |
| 03:05.00 | ckknight | my mind is boggled |
| 03:05.53 | [Wobin] | not like you can talk Mr ckknight, ckknight_, ckknight__ and ckknight___ =P |
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| 03:09.55 | Mikma | http://pastebin.com/703704 |
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| 03:14.35 | hyperChipmunk | Wobin: don't forget cknight |
| 03:14.45 | ckknight | lol |
| 03:16.02 | hyperChipmunk | wahhhhh I wanna play |
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| 03:27.01 | hyperChipmunk | wtf program in linux reads .rtf |
| 03:27.16 | hyperChipmunk | and does the formatting |
| 03:28.54 | FryGuy | ghostread? |
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| 03:32.00 | Mikma | hyperChipmunk: http://www.openoffice.org/ |
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| 03:32.15 | Mikma | i'm not sure does anything else open it than that |
| 03:32.35 | hyperChipmunk | well, yea if I wanted to go overkill =P |
| 03:33.29 | Mikma | apt-cache search rtf |
| 03:45.59 | ckknight | hey, how does this look: http://cocoonism.blogspot.com/ |
| 03:46.23 | hyperChipmunk | looks like an empty blog |
| 03:47.10 | ckknight | well, it is |
| 03:47.19 | hyperChipmunk | score one for the chipmunk |
| 03:48.17 | ckknight | I was talking more about the design and such |
| 03:51.58 | Tekcub | erf |
| 03:52.22 | ckknight | erf? |
| 03:52.25 | Tekcub | I love how out of a dozen dryers, only two work well, and they work too well |
| 03:52.48 | ckknight | lol |
| 03:52.50 | Tekcub | BUT one of those two has been running for 2.5 hours on the same $0.75 so I won't complain too much |
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| 04:03.05 | hyperChipmunk | "The Storm library, or Storm for short, is an operating system unto itself. It is a gargantuan library of functions, and may be one of the most complicated shared libraries ever to not be made by Microsoft." |
| 04:03.35 | Wobin | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/41.html |
| 04:04.22 | hyperChipmunk | wtf |
| 04:06.44 | hyperChipmunk | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/3.html <---that's good |
| 04:07.04 | Wobin | so very tue |
| 04:07.06 | Wobin | true |
| 04:08.15 | hyperChipmunk | the 4th one is hilarious too |
| 04:10.55 | Wobin | hehe |
| 04:11.01 | Wobin | From a cooking blog: "Wine on a tree consists of purchasing a box of decent wine “such as “Black Box”. The bag without the box can be packed in. Fold the top of the bag over a small stone, wrap with twine and hang from a tree…" |
| 04:11.10 | Wobin | "..box of decent wine..." |
| 04:11.13 | Wobin | What an oxymoron =P |
| 04:17.35 | hyperChipmunk | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/29.html |
| 04:17.41 | hyperChipmunk | I've never done that |
| 04:17.44 | hyperChipmunk | honest |
| 04:17.52 | hyperChipmunk | Wobin: heeh |
| 04:20.20 | hyperChipmunk | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/34.html |
| 04:20.22 | hyperChipmunk | hahaha |
| 04:21.04 | Tekcub | muahahahahahahahahahaha! |
| 04:24.01 | Tekcub | stupid CIA |
| 04:24.12 | hyperChipmunk | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/43.html |
| 04:24.17 | Tekcub | anyway, fixed BigWigs sync for good, I think/hope |
| 04:25.26 | Wobin | evilpanda |
| 04:26.55 | Tekcub | ^^ |
| 04:29.02 | FryGuy | did you see my post? |
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| 04:32.43 | Tekcub | yea fry, integrating that now |
| 04:37.31 | Tekcub | wewt, throttling works too |
| 04:45.27 | Tekcub | wob: what's wrong with boxed wine? |
| 04:45.52 | Tekcub | it's not like it's shit, it's just not overprice "oh look at me I'm an old smelly french wine" |
| 04:45.57 | Tekcub | stupid frenchies |
| 05:00.33 | ckknight | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/46.html is funny |
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| 05:04.14 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r2677 10AceLibrary/ (AceLibraryBase.lua AceLocale.lua AceOO.lua): AceOO - updated subclasses to use .super |
| 05:04.48 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/wow_009.jpg |
| 05:04.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:05.28 | Kyahx | Wobin: why dosen't Mr Plow move ammo from my main bags into my ammo bag if there is space? |
| 05:08.49 | FryGuy | what combat log kerg? |
| 05:11.56 | kergoth | thats mcombatlog, someone's derivative of the nurfed one |
| 05:12.52 | FryGuy | hmm |
| 05:12.55 | FryGuy | looks cool :p |
| 05:13.13 | FryGuy | i want to make a combat log for a single player/npc |
| 05:13.24 | FryGuy | so i could be like |
| 05:13.38 | FryGuy | /combatlog Instructor Razuvius |
| 05:13.43 | FryGuy | and see only stuff he does |
| 05:23.33 | Tekcub | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/39.html |
| 05:23.37 | Tekcub | that's just classic |
| 05:25.15 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TestSuite * r2678 10AceLibrary/ (6 files): AceLibrary/TestSuite - added AceOO unit tests |
| 05:30.26 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TestSuite * r2679 10AceLibrary/ (AceOO-libraryInheritance-1.lua AceOO-super-1.lua): AceLibrary/TestSuite - added AceOO-libraryInheritance-1.lua and AceOO-super-1.lua |
| 05:57.08 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r2680 10AceLibrary/AceOO.lua: AceOO - added argument checking to class declarations. |
| 05:58.44 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TestSuite * r2681 10AceLibrary/ (4 files): AceLibrary/TestSuite - added AceOO-inheritance-4.lua, AceOO-Mixin-1.lua, and AceOO-MixinInheritance-1.lua |
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| 06:11.05 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r2682 10AceLibrary/AceOO.lua: AceOO - updated tostring methods of LibraryClass and LibraryMixin |
| 06:11.14 | FryGuy | wow a lot of commits |
| 06:11.21 | ckknight | I call it progress |
| 06:11.27 | FryGuy | that's ace2 right? |
| 06:11.33 | ckknight | right. |
| 06:11.40 | FryGuy | does it work? |
| 06:11.49 | FryGuy | i mean, is it usable |
| 06:11.51 | ckknight | don't know what you mean |
| 06:11.59 | ckknight | I mean, there's AceLibrary and AceOO |
| 06:12.03 | FryGuy | if I wanted to make a mod with ace2, would I lose stuff |
| 06:12.04 | ckknight | but not much on top of that |
| 06:12.06 | FryGuy | oh |
| 06:12.13 | FryGuy | i thought I saw acehook and aceevent on there |
| 06:12.14 | ckknight | granted, those are horribly important |
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| 06:12.22 | ckknight | AceHook and AceChatCmd |
| 06:12.27 | Wobin | Kyahx: Cause ammo bags are treated separate from other bags |
| 06:12.30 | ckknight | either way, don't use it yet in a production environment |
| 06:12.42 | ckknight | if you want to play with it, fine, just don't release |
| 06:12.45 | FryGuy | i was horribly confused as to *how* it worked |
| 06:13.06 | ckknight | with magic |
| 06:13.28 | ckknight | I also wrote AceLocale |
| 06:13.29 | ckknight | which works |
| 06:14.11 | FryGuy | well |
| 06:14.17 | FryGuy | let me pull up what I was talking about |
| 06:14.23 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:14.43 | ckknight | either way, I'm not saying that Ace2 is usable yet |
| 06:14.47 | ckknight | AceAddon is empty |
| 06:14.50 | FryGuy | http://svn.wowace.com/root/branches/AceLibrary/ckknight/AceChatCmd.lua |
| 06:15.00 | FryGuy | like.. everything is local |
| 06:15.04 | FryGuy | and none of it's referenced |
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| 06:15.11 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 06:15.14 | ckknight | right. |
| 06:15.33 | FryGuy | is there a "global" table somewhere? |
| 06:15.40 | ckknight | so to access it, you use AceLibrary("AceChatCmd-2.0") |
| 06:15.42 | FryGuy | a la php $GLOBAL |
| 06:15.45 | ckknight | AceLibrary is global |
| 06:15.53 | ckknight | it handles versioning and instances |
| 06:16.06 | ckknight | versioning of libraries |
| 06:16.15 | ckknight | and most everything is a library now |
| 06:16.21 | FryGuy | well i was wondering if you could do something like $GLOBALS[$var] as in php |
| 06:16.28 | ckknight | PHP is ugly. |
| 06:16.34 | ckknight | so to use AceLocale, for instance, you'd do: |
| 06:16.46 | ckknight | local L = AceLibrary("AceLocale-2.0"):new("MyAddon") |
| 06:17.01 | ckknight | L"English text" == "Deutsche text" |
| 06:17.07 | FryGuy | and how.. local AceChatCmd = {} is the only time acechatcmd is used |
| 06:17.15 | ckknight | not true |
| 06:17.21 | FryGuy | and at the bottom |
| 06:17.23 | FryGuy | where you pass it in |
| 06:17.25 | ckknight | AceLibrary:Register |
| 06:17.33 | ckknight | that registers it with the library properly |
| 06:17.40 | FryGuy | registers an empty table? :/ |
| 06:17.49 | ckknight | oh |
| 06:17.50 | ckknight | well, yes |
| 06:17.53 | ckknight | cause it's not done |
| 06:18.01 | ckknight | it seems |
| 06:18.09 | ckknight | for a proper lib, see AceLocale |
| 06:18.33 | kergoth | FryGuy, getfenv(0) is the global environment table, the one getglobal() and setglobal() manipulate. in the lua interpreter outside of wow, that's _G. _G.foo = "bar" |
| 06:19.16 | FryGuy | hmm |
| 06:19.23 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:19.24 | ckknight | it's shiny |
| 06:19.30 | ckknight | local _G = getfenv(0) |
| 06:19.33 | FryGuy | so you could do like getfenv(0)['blah'] and it would be like calling blah? |
| 06:19.54 | ckknight | _G.blah would be the same as blah if it wasn't a local |
| 06:20.06 | ckknight | so yes, pretty much |
| 06:21.20 | kergoth | getfenv(0)['blah'] is the value of that key in the table. it doesnt "call" anything |
| 06:21.22 | FryGuy | what's the purpose of AceLocale |
| 06:21.35 | FryGuy | er sorry |
| 06:21.53 | FryGuy | i meant "calling" as in putting that there |
| 06:21.56 | FryGuy | not as a function |
| 06:22.05 | ckknight | AceLocale is localization |
| 06:22.18 | ckknight | like how Ace now has ace:LoadLocalization() or something |
| 06:22.26 | FryGuy | hmm |
| 06:22.29 | FryGuy | never used that :( |
| 06:22.35 | Wobin | It's useful enough =) |
| 06:22.44 | FryGuy | everyone always has a local table with if statements that I've seen |
| 06:22.52 | ckknight | hrm |
| 06:22.56 | FryGuy | or do those if statements look at that |
| 06:23.01 | kergoth | i love using battlefieldcommander as my minimap and hiding the regular one |
| 06:23.10 | kergoth | just need to scrap almost all of its code and do a minimal version |
| 06:23.13 | Wobin | We use functions to define the translations |
| 06:23.16 | ckknight | hehe, kergoth |
| 06:23.24 | Wobin | then ace selects the function according to locale |
| 06:23.34 | ckknight | right. |
| 06:24.11 | Elkano | ckknight, it seems like I'm close to a fix for the BG minimap :) |
| 06:24.16 | ckknight | yay |
| 06:24.29 | ckknight | seems horrible complicated, Elkano |
| 06:28.29 | Elkano | well, acording to my current tests it seems that MiniMapBattlefieldFrame.status is up2date on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD so I'll use thisone instead of GloryLibs IsInBattlegrounds(). I'll test if you need the timer at all when using this :) |
| 06:29.21 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r2683 10AceLibrary/ (AceLocale.lua AceOO.lua): AceOO - added more documentation |
| 06:29.52 | ckknight | well, a better fix would be to change GloryLib's method |
| 06:30.09 | ckknight | :-P |
| 06:30.24 | Kyahx | Wobin: did you see my message earlier about Mr. Plow? |
| 06:30.37 | Wobin | the lack of stacking to the ammo bag? |
| 06:30.41 | Kyahx | yep |
| 06:31.03 | Kyahx | ah, I missed your response :P |
| 06:31.20 | ckknight | okay,I'm relatively happy with AceOO now |
| 06:31.27 | ckknight | good work on it, btw, kergoth |
| 06:32.49 | ckknight | I think I _finally_ reached the point where I understand all of it |
| 06:33.04 | Elkano | ckknight, well, if my tests turn out that this is a better way to check if the player is in a bg, changing GloryLib will be better, you're right :) |
| 06:33.13 | ckknight | :-) |
| 06:33.17 | ckknight | thanks for doing it, Elkano |
| 06:33.19 | ckknight | hehe |
| 06:33.30 | ckknight | feel free to plug your name in the readme |
| 06:33.45 | Elkano | unfortunatly this can't fix the "inWSG", "inAB", "inAV" functions :( |
| 06:33.58 | ckknight | oh well |
| 06:34.13 | ckknight | better than nothing |
| 06:36.45 | ckknight | kergoth, one issue with that minimap is that there is no hunter tracking |
| 06:37.08 | kergoth | good point |
| 06:38.12 | Elkano | how do I mark a block as optional in lua regex? |
| 06:38.58 | Elkano | was it "{block}?" ? |
| 06:39.16 | ckknight | [, thing] |
| 06:39.24 | ckknight | wait |
| 06:39.26 | ckknight | regex |
| 06:39.28 | ckknight | um |
| 06:39.35 | ckknight | (asdf)? |
| 06:39.37 | ckknight | wait |
| 06:39.37 | ckknight | no |
| 06:39.41 | ckknight | you can't, Elkano |
| 06:39.44 | ckknight | not a whole block |
| 06:39.49 | ckknight | you can for letters |
| 06:49.00 | Elkano | would sth like "|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x[%dX]*[%) ]*(.*)[%,]?$" work? |
| 06:51.23 | Elkano | or would "|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x[%dX]*[%) ]*(.*[^%,])[%,]?$" be better? |
| 06:53.05 | Wobin | what are you trying to get? |
| 06:53.43 | Elkano | I'm trying to improve AtlasLoot :) |
| 06:54.34 | Wobin | what's the pattern you're trying to match? |
| 06:55.04 | Elkano | I have stings formed "|cXXXXXXXXD) text", "|cXXXXXXXXD) text," "|cXXXXXXXX text", "|cXXXXXXXX text," and I want to match text |
| 06:55.23 | Elkano | X is %x, X is either %d or X |
| 06:55.50 | Elkano | (%d+ actualy) |
| 06:56.32 | Elkano | well, I'l text if my pattern works :) |
| 06:56.41 | ckknight | complicated |
| 06:57.12 | Wobin | so a certain number of hex digits followed by either a decimal and a bracket or nothing? |
| 06:59.33 | Elkano | (a decimal of at most two digits or 'X' and a bracket) or nothing, yes |
| 06:59.54 | Wobin | |c%x*[^ ]-([^,]-) |
| 07:00.33 | Wobin | |c%x*[^ ]- ([^,]-) |
| 07:00.51 | Wobin | match all hex, followed by all nonspace, then all text up to a comma |
| 07:01.03 | Wobin | you could throw in a newline in that last match |
| 07:01.03 | Elkano | oh, looking at that, I'm not sure if there is a blank if ther is no %d+) |
| 07:02.38 | Wobin | what's after this text? |
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| 07:04.31 | Wobin | |c%x*[^ ]- ([^,]-)$ |
| 07:04.53 | Wobin | hm no |
| 07:05.31 | Wobin | lose the final & |
| 07:05.33 | Wobin | er $ |
| 07:07.29 | Wobin | |c%x*[^ ]- ([^,]*) |
| 07:10.25 | Elkano | ok, local _,_,boss2 = string.find(boss, "|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x[%dX]*[%) ]*(.*[^%,])[%,]?$") |
| 07:10.30 | Elkano | this works :) |
| 07:12.15 | Wobin | why %,? |
| 07:12.24 | Wobin | , isn't a magic character |
| 07:13.13 | hyperChi1munk | .bucj sedatedCguonybj |
| 07:13.18 | hyperChi1munk | whoops |
| 07:13.20 | Wobin | rofl |
| 07:13.32 | sedatedChipmunk | shaddup |
| 07:13.38 | sedatedChipmunk | i'm sedated, yo |
| 07:13.38 | Wobin | I like how the Sedated came out right =) |
| 07:13.47 | sedatedChipmunk | it's all on the left hand |
| 07:13.56 | sedatedChipmunk | my right hand was one to the left |
| 07:14.14 | sedatedChipmunk | hyperChipmunk: you suck |
| 07:15.24 | sedatedChipmunk | pwnd |
| 07:15.51 | sedatedChipmunk | g'night |
| 07:16.45 | Elkano | what was , called on English? periode? |
| 07:16.51 | Wobin | comma |
| 07:16.57 | Wobin | a period is '.' |
| 07:17.01 | Elkano | ah :) |
| 07:18.35 | ckknight | dot. |
| 07:18.52 | ckknight | but yea, it's a period in a sentence |
| 07:19.11 | ckknight | point for numbers, '1.2' is 'one point two' |
| 07:19.44 | ckknight | if it's not used in a lingual context, it's much more likely to be referred to as dot or point |
| 07:19.53 | Wobin | ah, but ',' is a comma =) |
| 07:20.00 | Wobin | (which was the question) |
| 07:20.09 | ckknight | ah |
| 07:20.11 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:21.04 | ckknight | now I need to come up with a proper algorithm for upgrading AceOO |
| 07:21.09 | ckknight | blah |
| 07:21.18 | ckknight | (from one minor version to another) |
| 07:29.35 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r2684 10AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua: AceLibrary - changed Activate to activate |
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| 07:35.11 | ckknight | hey MoonWolf |
| 07:35.25 | MoonWolf | hey boss. |
| 07:35.42 | MoonWolf | it is way to hot in my regular office |
| 07:35.46 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:36.01 | MoonWolf | me and my supervisor moved to the break room |
| 07:36.04 | MoonWolf | laptops ftw. |
| 07:36.17 | Wobin | how hot is hot? |
| 07:36.32 | MoonWolf | 35 degrees celcius and rising. |
| 07:36.38 | MoonWolf | in there anyway |
| 07:36.51 | Wobin | wow |
| 07:36.57 | Wobin | 60 years |
| 07:37.01 | Wobin | AFP - Kings and queens, sultans and princes from 25 countries have gathered in Thailand to celebrate 60 years on the throne for King Bhumibol Adulyadej, the world's longest-serving monarch |
| 07:37.06 | MoonWolf | our crappy airconditioning cant keep up with 5 servers producing heat and nowhere to get rid of it. |
| 07:37.06 | Wobin | That's a hella long time |
| 07:37.20 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 07:37.26 | Wobin | (and chances are, noone outside of thailand knows his name |
| 07:37.27 | Wobin | ) |
| 07:37.30 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 07:37.59 | Wobin | I hate localisation =P |
| 07:38.11 | MoonWolf | we had servers give out over the weekend. |
| 07:38.14 | Wobin | ~seen shouuryu |
| 07:38.17 | purl | Wobin: i haven't seen 'shouuryu' |
| 07:39.05 | Wobin | any French and/or German speakers around willing to do some translation? |
| 07:39.22 | MoonWolf | I can dutchify it for you. :O |
| 07:39.29 | Wobin | =\ |
| 07:39.51 | Wobin | Maybe if we translate the dutch through a swede =P |
| 07:40.23 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 07:40.36 | Wobin | hokay, I'm going for a quick nap |
| 07:41.00 | MoonWolf | sleep tight |
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| 07:56.28 | Industrial | zoheee kop als een gebakkie man -_- |
| 07:56.34 | Industrial | oh oops </dutch> |
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| 07:57.58 | MoonWolf | lal |
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| 08:05.05 | [Ammo] | moorning |
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| 08:14.18 | ckknight | omg hard algorithms |
| 08:15.25 | ckknight | they hurt my brain, while at the same time allow me to achieve enlightenment |
| 08:16.48 | ckknight | my plan was to have: |
| 08:16.54 | ckknight | local Class = AceOO.Class |
| 08:16.59 | ckknight | load newer AceOO |
| 08:17.08 | ckknight | assert(Class == AceOO.Class) |
| 08:17.33 | MoonWolf | and your plan did not work why / |
| 08:18.26 | ckknight | well |
| 08:18.38 | ckknight | when you load a new library, it replaces the contents of the old library |
| 08:18.42 | ckknight | Class is a table |
| 08:18.50 | Industrial | 3~what does assert() do? |
| 08:18.57 | ckknight | so the new Class table will just replace the old field |
| 08:19.04 | ckknight | Industrial, tests for truth |
| 08:19.16 | Industrial | k |
| 08:19.27 | ckknight | so with the current code, that assertion fails |
| 08:19.44 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 08:19.45 | ckknight | I've drawn up an algorithm to do a deep replace that takes account for recursion |
| 08:20.13 | ckknight | the problem with this, is how to transfer data from the old lib to the new lib |
| 08:20.33 | ckknight | since the contents of the old are replaced by the new |
| 08:20.42 | ckknight | I could do a deep table copy, but that can be expensive |
| 08:20.55 | Industrial | Not sure I understand but cant you do Class1 = Class({}) something like that? |
| 08:21.12 | ckknight | no, indie |
| 08:21.16 | Industrial | oki |
| 08:21.46 | ckknight | Class as a function takes the arguments ([superclass] [, ...]) |
| 08:21.50 | ckknight | where ... is mixins |
| 08:22.30 | ckknight | local Alpha = Class() |
| 08:22.36 | ckknight | local Bravo = Class(Alpha) |
| 08:23.05 | [Ammo] | I feel the urge to write a paladin addon |
| 08:23.11 | Industrial | oh noes |
| 08:23.12 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:23.13 | [Ammo] | dinged 40 with him last night |
| 08:23.18 | ckknight | hehe |
| 08:23.21 | [Ammo] | and well, too many damn seals! |
| 08:23.30 | [Ammo] | also blessings are a biatch |
| 08:23.38 | [Ammo] | so I'm going to create Ivanhoe! |
| 08:23.46 | ckknight | Ivanhoe? |
| 08:23.53 | [Ammo] | (or what's his assistant called?) |
| 08:23.54 | Industrial | Iveanhoe ? |
| 08:23.57 | Industrial | ;D |
| 08:23.59 | ckknight | Ivanhoe was a story about a boy and his hoe. |
| 08:24.04 | Industrial | kek |
| 08:24.04 | [Ammo] | so? |
| 08:24.10 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 08:24.15 | ckknight | (it's not, really) |
| 08:24.17 | Industrial | bur :P |
| 08:25.21 | [Ammo] | after that I'll have to create RobinHood! :p |
| 08:25.27 | [Ammo] | whinging hunters... |
| 08:26.46 | [Ammo] | I'll use the paladin thing to figure out how your API's work as well ckknight |
| 08:26.51 | [Ammo] | since they did my head in last time I tried |
| 08:26.58 | ckknight | [Ammo], err, okay |
| 08:27.06 | [Ammo] | I couldn't handle it |
| 08:27.08 | [Ammo] | ~moredots |
| 08:27.10 | purl | hit it like you mean it! |
| 08:27.11 | ckknight | AceAddon-2.0 doesn't exist yet, btw |
| 08:29.53 | ckknight | just AceLibrary, AceOO, and a few other bits |
| 08:30.21 | [Ammo] | I meant the Fu APIs :) |
| 08:30.42 | ckknight | ah |
| 08:30.43 | ckknight | okay |
| 08:30.45 | ckknight | alright then |
| 08:30.55 | ckknight | ~moredots |
| 08:30.57 | purl | you lose 50 dkp again! |
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| 08:37.03 | Industrial | Is the websvn working yet? |
| 08:37.09 | Industrial | nop... |
| 08:38.33 | [Ammo] | it's not needed :) |
| 08:38.36 | [Ammo] | imho |
| 08:38.38 | Industrial | im at work |
| 08:38.53 | Industrial | dont feel like installing all that stuff here |
| 08:38.55 | MoonWolf | svn.wowace.com/root/ |
| 08:39.02 | [Ammo] | yeah what moon says |
| 08:39.02 | MoonWolf | eeeuh |
| 08:39.09 | MoonWolf | you were supposed to stop working.... |
| 08:39.20 | Industrial | yeah uh.. |
| 08:39.22 | Industrial | :X |
| 08:39.37 | Industrial | I was a week off in my calculation ;) |
| 08:39.48 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 08:39.48 | Industrial | im such an ass for saying that - could have been on the beach atm |
| 08:39.49 | Industrial | :| |
| 08:39.55 | Industrial | oh wel |
| 08:39.58 | Industrial | 1 more week |
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| 08:54.09 | Mikma | morning |
| 08:59.38 | ckknight | morning |
| 09:02.08 | MoonWolf | morning |
| 09:04.03 | Wobin | morning |
| 09:06.42 | Shyva | morning |
| 09:07.35 | MoonWolf | morning |
| 09:21.56 | ckknight | woot! |
| 09:22.03 | ckknight | got my algorithm working! |
| 09:22.31 | ckknight | omg complicated, btw |
| 09:23.59 | MoonWolf | nice |
| 09:24.03 | ckknight | yes |
| 09:24.17 | ckknight | there is quite a lot to AceLibrary |
| 09:24.28 | ckknight | especially to deal with fringe cases like this |
| 09:24.43 | ckknight | well, the payoff is that AceOO and other very complicated libs can now be properly updated without fault |
| 09:24.51 | MoonWolf | yay |
| 09:25.03 | MoonWolf | not that i expect a lot of updating |
| 09:25.08 | MoonWolf | once everything is stable |
| 09:25.09 | ckknight | granted, the plan is to never have to |
| 09:25.20 | MoonWolf | but at least we CAN |
| 09:25.23 | ckknight | right. |
| 09:25.29 | ckknight | that was the point |
| 09:25.50 | ckknight | and also, if someone makes a separate complicated lib with all sorts of back references, they can be properly upgraded now, too |
| 09:26.41 | MoonWolf | greate |
| 09:26.45 | MoonWolf | -e |
| 09:27.09 | MoonWolf | best guild name ever: <And two stealthed rogues> |
| 09:27.13 | ckknight | lol |
| 09:27.41 | MoonWolf | two stealthed rogues yust downed c'thun |
| 09:28.08 | ckknight | also, with this system, the oldLib that passes through doesn't have the full fields of it, just the ones that didn't exist in newLib, which typically means a .data table or whatever |
| 09:28.13 | ckknight | either way, all unit tests pass |
| 09:28.54 | ckknight | and part of me wonders if I'll ever finish AceLibrary |
| 09:29.23 | MoonWolf | code is an ever changing thing |
| 09:29.25 | MoonWolf | its never done. |
| 09:29.51 | Industrial | Hobby code* |
| 09:30.03 | Industrial | when I finish a website a work i stop caring |
| 09:30.05 | ckknight | well, theoretically I'll run out of fringe cases |
| 09:30.30 | ckknight | I'm just fixing bugs and such now |
| 09:30.39 | ckknight | granted, that last one was a big one |
| 09:30.49 | ckknight | and now that it's fixed, it won't come back |
| 09:30.58 | ckknight | cause it's a fundamental structural thing |
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| 09:59.02 | CIA-17 | 03ammo * r2685 10BigWigs/AQ20/Moam.lua: |
| 09:59.02 | CIA-17 | BigWigs: |
| 09:59.02 | CIA-17 | * Added Moam module. It's not in the .toc yet because I can't load WoW atm. Just in the SVN for backup ;) |
| 10:10.09 | Industrial | prettyprinter.de |
| 10:13.26 | Mikma | *yawn* |
| 10:13.45 | Industrial | morning Mikma |
| 10:14.00 | Mikma | good morning Industrial :) |
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| 10:20.27 | FryGuy | is there any way to change my password to svn if I forgot it? :( |
| 10:21.29 | [Ammo] | ask cladhaire |
| 10:22.24 | FryGuy | :( |
| 10:26.55 | FryGuy | i want to branch this bigwigs stuff I've done off :( |
| 10:27.00 | FryGuy | and can't commit |
| 10:27.32 | Industrial | i want to work on non work code |
| 10:27.35 | Industrial | but i feel guilty |
| 10:27.59 | FryGuy | it's sad cause I used that password change thing way back when |
| 10:28.01 | FryGuy | but now it's not there :( |
| 10:28.39 | FryGuy | ooh |
| 10:28.41 | FryGuy | i remembered |
| 10:29.01 | MoonWolf | yay for brains.' |
| 10:29.03 | Industrial | acbash |
| 10:29.07 | Industrial | oops |
| 10:29.18 | MoonWolf | you call that a password. |
| 10:29.26 | CIA-17 | 03fryguy 07FryGuy * r2686 10BigWigs/: Created folder remotely |
| 10:29.33 | MoonWolf | #uvh*9076 <- that is a password. |
| 10:30.12 | CIA-17 | 03fryguy 07FryGuy * r2687 10BigWigs/BigWigs/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:30.12 | CIA-17 | BigWigs: FryGuy branch |
| 10:30.12 | CIA-17 | initial commit of my naxx stuff |
| 10:30.32 | Industrial | MoonWolf: no that was a typo |
| 10:30.43 | Industrial | ctrl+a, c <-- new window in screen |
| 10:30.49 | MoonWolf | ah |
| 10:34.43 | [Ammo] | Fryguy ooh naxx stuff? |
| 10:35.00 | FryGuy | it's got the old way still |
| 10:35.04 | FryGuy | haven't used the sync thingy |
| 10:35.45 | CIA-17 | 03fryguy 07FryGuy * r2688 10BigWigs/BigWigs/Naxxramas/ (6 files): BigWigs: Apparently branching from a local copy doesn't actually add any files. |
| 10:35.45 | [Ammo] | I haven't had time to test my sync stuff for twins |
| 10:36.13 | [Ammo] | (btw, you could just put the naxx modules in the trunk, just don't add to the .toc till they work) |
| 10:36.14 | FryGuy | nobody else in my guild uses BW :( |
| 10:36.21 | FryGuy | well |
| 10:36.26 | FryGuy | there's issues with that cause I have to change core |
| 10:36.40 | FryGuy | Naxx = "Naxxramas", |
| 10:36.45 | [Ammo] | oh yeah |
| 10:36.46 | FryGuy | localization for zone :( |
| 10:37.05 | [Ammo] | well if the modules don't generate errors it's all ok :) |
| 10:37.13 | FryGuy | heh |
| 10:37.17 | FryGuy | well i'm not exactly sure |
| 10:37.23 | FryGuy | cause i haven't been able to do it yet |
| 10:37.29 | FryGuy | i mean log in lately |
| 10:37.34 | FryGuy | and that branching thing was scary :p |
| 10:37.40 | FryGuy | who knows what it did to my files :) |
| 10:38.12 | FryGuy | my only question is how to do a repeating timer off something which there isn't an event for :( |
| 10:38.33 | FryGuy | i was thinking about registering BW_DELAYED_MESSAGE |
| 10:39.00 | FryGuy | and if message == abilitywarn then trigger(BW_D_M, abilitywarn, delay) end |
| 10:39.11 | FryGuy | and then re-updating the time if I do get the event |
| 10:39.47 | FryGuy | cause on razuvius disrupting shout doesn't necessarily hit anybody |
| 10:40.43 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 10:40.47 | [Ammo] | that's how you should do it |
| 10:40.52 | [Ammo] | btw that yell trigger is wrong I think |
| 10:40.56 | [Ammo] | for Anubrekan |
| 10:41.13 | [Ammo] | CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_YELL => arg1 = contents of the yell, arg2 = monster |
| 10:41.24 | [Ammo] | you included the monstername in the yelltrigger as well |
| 10:41.30 | FryGuy | oh ya |
| 10:41.34 | FryGuy | i fixed that in the other one |
| 10:41.44 | FryGuy | if (UnitName("target") == (self.loc.veklor or self.loc.veknilash) and UnitAffectingCombat("target")) then |
| 10:41.47 | FryGuy | is that right? |
| 10:41.52 | [Ammo] | yeah that's right |
| 10:41.59 | [Ammo] | why? |
| 10:42.26 | FryGuy | shouldn't it be if (UN() == veklor or UN() == veknoob) and UAC() then |
| 10:42.39 | [Ammo] | no |
| 10:43.04 | [Ammo] | if( UN() == (noob or test) ) is a valid construct |
| 10:43.32 | FryGuy | hmm wierd :p |
| 10:43.35 | [Ammo] | your noth module is still beta++ :p |
| 10:43.40 | FryGuy | heh |
| 10:43.41 | FryGuy | well |
| 10:43.41 | [Ammo] | it's Huhuran in disguise :) |
| 10:43.43 | FryGuy | they all are |
| 10:43.57 | FryGuy | wai |
| 10:44.00 | FryGuy | i didn't do noth yet |
| 10:44.05 | FryGuy | i just copy/pasted huhu |
| 10:44.36 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 10:44.57 | [Ammo] | your startwarn things are weird as well |
| 10:44.59 | FryGuy | i think i'm going to go to the twins-style checking |
| 10:45.00 | [Ammo] | but that's just me :) |
| 10:45.01 | FryGuy | for start |
| 10:45.26 | [Ammo] | if there is a clear yell or emote at start it's always best to use that |
| 10:45.35 | [Ammo] | otherwise go for twins indeed |
| 10:45.36 | FryGuy | it's like 1 of 3 things |
| 10:45.43 | [Ammo] | well use those then |
| 10:45.53 | haste | what about how I do it on C'Thun :o ? |
| 10:45.55 | [Ammo] | twins style is mainly for things that don't have a clear startwarning |
| 10:45.57 | FryGuy | maexxna is a fun fight :p |
| 10:46.07 | FryGuy | don't twins have a big yell? |
| 10:46.12 | FryGuy | that they both do at same time? |
| 10:46.15 | haste | not that most bosses have a start spell :p |
| 10:46.32 | FryGuy | aagh |
| 10:46.38 | FryGuy | on c'thun you took away the \r |
| 10:47.27 | [Ammo] | hehe haste |
| 10:47.34 | [Ammo] | twins don't have a big yell |
| 10:47.41 | [Ammo] | they yell when you enter the room etc |
| 10:47.46 | [Ammo] | but they don't yell at the start |
| 10:47.50 | [Ammo] | only audio yell |
| 10:48.10 | FryGuy | self:TriggerEvent("BIGWIGS_BAR_START", self.loc.barWeakend, 45, 3, "Red", "Interface\\Icons\\INV_ValentinesCandy") |
| 10:48.11 | FryGuy | haha |
| 10:48.20 | [Ammo] | uhuh |
| 10:48.29 | [Ammo] | the Cthun module pwns |
| 10:48.32 | [Ammo] | ~C'thun |
| 10:48.38 | purl | *** Incoming Tentacle Rape Party - Pleasure! *** |
| 10:48.59 | FryGuy | so you just do off of first combat message with the eye? :P |
| 10:48.59 | haste | FryGuy, was the best icon I could find |
| 10:49.07 | haste | yeh |
| 10:49.13 | haste | I couldn't think of a better way :p |
| 10:49.13 | MoonWolf | C'thun should have a corpse of a human in its stomache with a japanese uitfit and name. |
| 10:49.23 | FryGuy | is there a good location for those icons to look through them? |
| 10:49.46 | haste | I abused thottbot |
| 10:50.00 | haste | search for the spell the boss casts, and use it |
| 10:50.55 | FryGuy | well |
| 10:51.02 | FryGuy | that's what I did for them |
| 10:51.07 | FryGuy | but some have that guy as the icon |
| 10:51.12 | FryGuy | and some have the red ? |
| 10:51.48 | [Ammo] | oh just use something that fits |
| 10:52.48 | FryGuy | anyways I was thinking it'd be a good idea to extend a BigWigsBaseBossMod (or something) instead of AceAddon for the boss mods |
| 10:52.59 | FryGuy | that way you could have some utilities in there |
| 10:53.53 | [Ammo] | shrug |
| 10:53.56 | [Ammo] | it works for now :) |
| 10:53.57 | FryGuy | something like: self:BuildBarWarn("BW_SYNC_RECV", params) |
| 10:54.16 | FryGuy | which would generate the function for the BW_SYNC_RECV and register it |
| 10:54.32 | [Ammo] | I'd rather do the thinking myself btw |
| 10:54.35 | FryGuy | well |
| 10:54.41 | FryGuy | dunno :/ |
| 10:54.44 | [Ammo] | and once you've coded it it's done |
| 10:54.45 | FryGuy | it was an idea :p |
| 10:54.53 | [Ammo] | it's not like you'll be building a gazillion bossmods every day :) |
| 10:55.13 | FryGuy | well if there's more stuff |
| 10:55.21 | FryGuy | you could have it register the options and stuff too |
| 10:56.22 | FryGuy | the way BIGWIGS_DELAYEDMESSAGE_START is implemented is it overwrites the existing timer for that warning, right? |
| 10:56.50 | FryGuy | so if you have one with 32 seconds left, and fire one for 30 seconds left, you'll only get one at 30 seconds |
| 11:01.14 | [Ammo] | yarr |
| 11:06.04 | Wobin | hey ckknight: In regards to AutoAttack, it shouldn't autoattack if you're mounted |
| 11:06.14 | ckknight | I know |
| 11:06.16 | Wobin | Since MountMe is now dismounting me as well =( |
| 11:06.30 | ckknight | do you have a good way to tell if you're mounted? |
| 11:15.30 | Mikma | stupid petbar, grr! |
| 11:18.37 | haste | yes, down with hunters! |
| 11:18.48 | haste | I'm leveling one to L10 to check the pet thingy hC is whining about |
| 11:19.01 | haste | but it sucks so hard :( |
| 11:19.06 | MoonWolf | hunters own |
| 11:19.10 | MoonWolf | what information do you need ? |
| 11:19.13 | MoonWolf | i can test if you want. |
| 11:19.17 | MoonWolf | when i get home. |
| 11:19.26 | haste | I'm L8 now, shouldn't take long to L10 :p |
| 11:19.36 | MoonWolf | k |
| 11:19.43 | MoonWolf | the quest to get a pet sucks |
| 11:19.49 | MoonWolf | you have to tame 3 semi pets |
| 11:19.52 | MoonWolf | then you get a real pet |
| 11:19.57 | haste | yeh, done it before |
| 11:20.12 | MoonWolf | what is the problem exactly ? |
| 11:20.23 | haste | pet happiness gets transfered to the target |
| 11:20.39 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 11:21.14 | haste | weee!! |
| 11:21.17 | haste | I found some caster mobs |
| 11:21.23 | haste | like... a bunch of them |
| 11:21.39 | haste | no more "auto shot, melee, melee, melee..." |
| 11:27.45 | Mikma | umh, what's the default frameStrate for ActionButtons? |
| 11:27.48 | Mikma | HIGH or DIALOG? |
| 11:28.02 | CIA-17 | 03uruloke * r2689 10ArcHUD/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:28.02 | CIA-17 | ArcHUD |
| 11:28.02 | CIA-17 | - Fixed HP and MP rings not returning to correct color after ressing |
| 11:28.02 | CIA-17 | - Fixed HP and MP rings sticking to 100% after ressing |
| 11:28.02 | CIA-17 | - Partyrings: - Fixed enabling/disabling not working properly |
| 11:28.02 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.04 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.28 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/Bartender/Bartender_Beta01.jpg |
| 11:39.30 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/Bartender/Bartender_Beta02.jpg |
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| 11:57.51 | Mikma | bah! too bad warmup can't be scrolled without mousewheel |
| 11:58.31 | Industrial | wow cant either |
| 11:58.32 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:58.50 | Industrial | mousewheel is the thing i use most in wow |
| 11:59.00 | Industrial | if not for buffing ;) |
| 12:02.52 | MoonWolf | mousewheel i use rarely |
| 12:03.03 | MoonWolf | i am at max zoom range all the time anyway. |
| 12:03.43 | Industrial | I dont like that it snaps when theres an object in the way |
| 12:04.02 | Shyva | it works FryGuy, I made it myself and tested it over and over again.. |
| 12:04.07 | Shyva | woooooooops |
| 12:04.17 | Shyva | I was watcing a old msg :-S |
| 12:04.20 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 12:04.53 | Mikma | Industrial: "wow can't either" ? :) |
| 12:05.02 | Mikma | you mean what can't be scrolled without? |
| 12:05.32 | Industrial | how can you not use a mousehwwl in wow |
| 12:05.40 | Industrial | mousewheel* |
| 12:05.58 | MoonWolf | dont scroll your chat, dont change your zoom distance. |
| 12:06.54 | Industrial | blegh :P |
| 12:06.57 | Mikma | pageup pagedown home end |
| 12:07.10 | Mikma | first 2 for chat last 2 for zoom |
| 12:07.51 | MoonWolf | land hup hup hol! |
| 12:12.04 | Industrial | ... |
| 12:12.08 | Industrial | fap holland fap! |
| 12:12.10 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:12.46 | MoonWolf | lal |
| 12:14.19 | haste | hmm, think I found the hunter thingy ;D |
| 12:14.34 | haste | just need to boot up my computer so I can commit it |
| 12:16.48 | CIA-17 | 03otravi 07otravi * r2690 10otravi_UnitFrames/oUF/otravi_UnitFrames.lua: oUF - Fixed the pet happiness issue. |
| 12:19.07 | [Ammo] | hey haste, when the Cthun module goes into phase2 and you wipe |
| 12:19.14 | [Ammo] | it doesn't go back to phase1 does it? |
| 12:20.54 | haste | you say something there |
| 12:22.07 | [Ammo] | well it was actually Shyva that said it |
| 12:22.11 | [Ammo] | but I beat him to this channel |
| 12:22.23 | haste | haha :p |
| 12:22.23 | Shyva | :( |
| 12:22.56 | [Ammo] | just asking because I hope to have attempts on Cthun soon |
| 12:23.05 | [Ammo] | and even though I don't intend to, we'll probably wipe a lot |
| 12:23.19 | Shyva | same here... killed twins 2 days ago |
| 12:24.40 | [Ammo] | http://www.yourfileupload.com/video/view.php?video=a459c860f37be857c90991a5b712d63c |
| 12:24.44 | [Ammo] | hamster pwned by sink |
| 12:26.26 | MoonWolf | oh lol |
| 12:26.39 | [Ammo] | the music is brilliant with it |
| 12:31.10 | CIA-17 | 03otravi 07otravi * r2691 10otravi_UnitFrames/oUF/ (. Dewdrop/ Metrognome/ oUF.toc oUF_GUI.lua templates.lua): |
| 12:31.10 | CIA-17 | oUF: |
| 12:31.10 | CIA-17 | - Added externals. |
| 12:31.10 | CIA-17 | - Cleaned up a little. |
| 12:31.26 | MoonWolf | why cant he yust |
| 12:31.27 | *** part/#wowace MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@a80-127-128-193.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
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| 12:31.37 | *** mode/#wowace [+o MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 12:48.04 | maia | does anyone know any spellbook/talent embeddable libraries? |
| 12:48.38 | Shyva | to do what? |
| 12:49.29 | haste | maia, Sea has that |
| 12:50.08 | haste | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4912 *hides* |
| 12:50.26 | [Ammo] | maia: write one :) |
| 12:50.27 | maia | I'd want stuff like: rank = GetHigestRank(spell); amount,mana,time = GetSpellData(spell,rank) |
| 12:50.29 | Mikma | i wondor how long will this mac load this battery |
| 12:50.54 | MoonWolf | you wondor ? |
| 12:51.01 | maia | sea? thats a no-go I assume. |
| 12:51.14 | Mikma | s/wondor/wonder/ |
| 12:51.27 | Mikma | there ya go |
| 12:52.03 | maia | Mikma: the first 80% load in 20% of the total time, the last 20% need quite a while |
| 12:52.34 | Mikma | maia: he cable has been connected now for 3 hours and it's still loading |
| 12:53.01 | maia | thats normal. can take up to 8 hours in the initial loading. |
| 12:53.29 | Mikma | oh crap. i was planning on moving this but that kinda eliminates the options |
| 12:55.04 | maia | Mikma: http://raynersoftware.com/downloads/iBatt_1_2_1.dmg |
| 12:55.29 | Mikma | for 10.3? |
| 12:56.13 | maia | works with 10.4 as well |
| 12:56.36 | Mikma | that's good, the battery-programs i found earlier were only for 10.4 |
| 12:57.11 | maia | back to the spellbook: so there is no library I assume. thats sad. |
| 12:57.42 | MoonWolf | make |
| 12:57.43 | MoonWolf | one |
| 12:57.48 | MoonWolf | sorry for that enter |
| 12:57.55 | Mikma | unforgivable |
| 12:59.43 | maia | MoonWolf: I don't really have the time for such a thing at the moment... I barely have time to fix the bugs in my existing addons, and such a library would take 50hrs+, at least for me being a novice. |
| 13:00.13 | MoonWolf | well, no lib for you then! |
| 13:00.14 | MoonWolf | :p |
| 13:01.03 | maia | guess so. |
| 13:07.54 | Tekcub | the spellbook is fairly easy to parse thru, and if you're scanning tooltip for info that info's fairly dynamic.... |
| 13:14.46 | Wobin | Miravalix makes my head hurt |
| 13:15.02 | MoonWolf | miravlix cant argue somethin properly |
| 13:15.10 | Wobin | "I want a spec that means noone can kill me" |
| 13:15.17 | Wobin | "It's unfair that I can't" |
| 13:15.24 | MoonWolf | either he changes subject, pulls in uselss stuff, or spouts bullshit. |
| 13:33.25 | Mikma | wtb tooltip with tot :P |
| 13:33.40 | Industrial | wtb oUF tot |
| 13:34.34 | MoonWolf | wtb oUF 3 |
| 13:34.49 | Mikma | wtb wow2 |
| 13:34.53 | Industrial | WEll all i was saying on the topic, MoonWolf, Wobin; Wow lacks collective pvp goals and specialized/harder/cooler stats distribution. |
| 13:34.54 | Mikma | or diablo3 |
| 13:35.02 | Industrial | diablo3 :P~~~ |
| 13:35.17 | Wobin | yus |
| 13:35.19 | MoonWolf | the stats thing is a minor problem in my eyes |
| 13:35.24 | Industrial | yep |
| 13:35.29 | MoonWolf | the pvp stuff might get adressed in 1.12 |
| 13:35.37 | MoonWolf | i hope |
| 13:35.39 | Industrial | siege combat siege combat! |
| 13:35.52 | Industrial | (new proffession anyone) |
| 13:35.55 | MoonWolf | it doesnt HAVE to be siege combat. |
| 13:36.07 | MoonWolf | it could be a relic like system |
| 13:36.10 | MoonWolf | or a capturable town system |
| 13:36.12 | Industrial | (a proffession needing materials from all other proffessions) |
| 13:36.24 | MoonWolf | or some magic trick that makes pvp all fun and new again. |
| 13:36.28 | Industrial | (extremely expensive and hard) |
| 13:36.47 | MoonWolf | (why are u using brackets ?) |
| 13:36.57 | Industrial | (I mock you in parenthesis, teehee) |
| 13:37.02 | Industrial | no but |
| 13:37.09 | Industrial | we need castles |
| 13:37.12 | Industrial | with a king in it |
| 13:37.13 | Industrial | and guards |
| 13:37.16 | MoonWolf | we dont need castles. |
| 13:37.27 | Industrial | some fortress thing |
| 13:37.28 | MoonWolf | we need capturable towns. |
| 13:37.32 | Industrial | put the archers on top |
| 13:37.42 | Industrial | mages on the sideline |
| 13:37.45 | Industrial | etc |
| 13:38.22 | Industrial | gates that need to be trashed and destroyed first |
| 13:38.24 | MoonWolf | every zone with two towns can fight over ( x objective) and when a faction controlls it all the people from that faction in that zone gain something |
| 13:38.34 | Industrial | magic huge fireball explision device! |
| 13:38.49 | MoonWolf | or when you kill a opposite faction leader, something really cool and usefull happens. |
| 13:39.02 | MoonWolf | like every person gains +15% xp from mobs |
| 13:39.09 | Industrial | yes |
| 13:39.10 | Industrial | relics |
| 13:39.16 | MoonWolf | not relic |
| 13:39.25 | MoonWolf | dont recreate DAOC in wow. |
| 13:39.29 | Mikma | hmm |
| 13:39.30 | Industrial | ;P |
| 13:39.40 | Mikma | i might check out PerfectTooltip and see if i can add the ToT for it |
| 13:39.58 | Industrial | How about a bg where there is an offending and a defending team |
| 13:39.59 | MoonWolf | go play DAoC again if you want relics. |
| 13:40.04 | MoonWolf | that would be good |
| 13:40.15 | Industrial | ovvensive* :S |
| 13:40.17 | MoonWolf | or a bg where there are constant 1vs1 |
| 13:40.18 | Industrial | gah |
| 13:40.28 | MoonWolf | one horde and one alliance |
| 13:40.37 | MoonWolf | when the horde wins he gets to fight a new alliance |
| 13:40.39 | MoonWolf | and reverse. |
| 13:40.50 | Industrial | mmm thats too 'mini games' like to me |
| 13:41.10 | MoonWolf | its something fun you can jump into while waiting for a serious bg to come up. |
| 13:41.19 | MoonWolf | because you need only 2 players for it to work. |
| 13:41.24 | Industrial | 'dueling' |
| 13:41.25 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:41.35 | MoonWolf | maybe have a group version too. |
| 13:41.53 | MoonWolf | and you get honour rewarded to how much damage you did to your opponent. |
| 13:41.56 | Industrial | that would certainly stimulate skill |
| 13:41.59 | MoonWolf | so a close call on both sides you both get honour |
| 13:42.07 | MoonWolf | totally pwn. only the winner gets honour. |
| 13:42.27 | Industrial | the problem of botting arises |
| 13:42.37 | MoonWolf | it alway's does. |
| 13:42.47 | Industrial | in bg's anyone can join |
| 13:42.50 | Industrial | ;) |
| 13:43.22 | MoonWolf | maybe you can build up a multiplier if you manage to stay in place for a long time |
| 13:43.42 | MoonWolf | dont die for 5 kills, get double honour after that |
| 13:43.51 | MoonWolf | 10 kills triple honour. |
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| 13:44.12 | MoonWolf | wait no |
| 13:44.24 | MoonWolf | there should be a system that gets rid of killing streaks |
| 13:44.26 | MoonWolf | because it isnt fun |
| 13:44.34 | Industrial | How about kill the leader instead of capture the flag |
| 13:44.37 | MoonWolf | after 10 kills you get an (x) and return to the end of the queue |
| 13:44.57 | Industrial | or uh |
| 13:44.59 | Industrial | return the flag |
| 13:45.01 | MoonWolf | Industrial, go play av. |
| 13:45.11 | Industrial | i mean, bring the bflag |
| 13:45.12 | MoonWolf | one flag capture the flag. |
| 13:45.21 | Industrial | yes |
| 13:45.22 | Industrial | :DS |
| 13:45.37 | MoonWolf | and please, something else then a flag |
| 13:45.42 | MoonWolf | a flag graphic is fine |
| 13:45.45 | Industrial | a skull |
| 13:45.46 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:45.46 | MoonWolf | but who the hell fight for a flag.... |
| 13:46.01 | MoonWolf | indicating the carrier with a flag. fine to me. |
| 13:46.11 | Thrae | Capture the chicken! The flag could be this chicken that randomly moves around your base in WSG. |
| 13:46.16 | Industrial | lol |
| 13:46.17 | Industrial | :D |
| 13:46.47 | Thrae | Oops sorry, too imaginitive, people would complain ;) |
| 13:46.54 | MoonWolf | i was thinking more of a sword, or a magic gem or something. |
| 13:47.09 | MoonWolf | thrae, RP people wouldnt like it much |
| 13:47.13 | MoonWolf | they already hate flags too. |
| 13:47.24 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nvu1KK1DPQ |
| 13:48.40 | Thrae | WSG is a "War Game". Those are played in real life, too. One example is called the Olympics, where different countries show their prowless. |
| 13:50.22 | MoonWolf | WSG is not presented as a war game |
| 13:51.08 | Thrae | When roleplaying with MMORPGs, sometimes you need to compensate for what the designers thought was "good roleplaying" ;) |
| 13:52.04 | Mikma | Raptor Strike is borking AutoAttack |
| 13:52.07 | Thrae | I think a lot of roleplayers try to just ignore what doesn't make sense and intigrate as much of the world that they can make sense out of as possible. |
| 13:52.33 | Industrial | is there a king of the hill item? |
| 13:52.38 | Industrial | game* |
| 13:52.45 | Industrial | hold the item and the time starts ticking? |
| 13:53.08 | Industrial | used the be a hl1:tfc map for that |
| 13:53.11 | Industrial | murderball |
| 13:53.11 | Thrae | Industrial: Gubarashi Arena is kinda King of the Hill, but it's World PvP |
| 13:53.12 | Industrial | :D |
| 13:54.32 | Thrae | Actually, Arathi Basin plays a bit like an improved King of the Hill design. |
| 13:54.47 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 13:54.51 | Thrae | You conquer areas, and they start ticking upwards. |
| 13:54.53 | MoonWolf | but the reward is to low |
| 13:55.08 | Industrial | I like having one thing in the middle |
| 13:55.17 | Industrial | but that might be too hard |
| 13:55.21 | Industrial | for some teams |
| 13:55.22 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:55.33 | Thrae | Arathi Basin has the must-contested Blacksmith ... which the Horde always seems to conquor first. |
| 13:55.57 | MoonWolf | having the bs is relaticly useless. |
| 13:56.03 | MoonWolf | relativly* |
| 13:56.34 | Thrae | When not fully organized, a lot of the PvP happens near the BS. |
| 13:57.25 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 13:57.44 | Industrial | Another design is: |
| 13:57.46 | MoonWolf | i prefer taking the home point the mine and the mill |
| 13:58.01 | Industrial | theres a map with points |
| 13:58.05 | Industrial | there is only one line fo points |
| 13:58.08 | Industrial | say 1~9 |
| 13:58.21 | Industrial | you capture point 1 then 2 then 3 etc, and meet at 5 |
| 13:58.30 | MoonWolf | a tug of war |
| 13:58.35 | Industrial | you cant capture 3 unless you have 2 |
| 13:58.36 | MoonWolf | more or less |
| 13:58.42 | Industrial | a sort of push |
| 13:58.57 | MoonWolf | tug of war = touwtrekken. |
| 13:59.03 | Thrae | They're changing queues to try and setup pre-made groups / raids against other premade groups / raids, right? |
| 13:59.10 | MoonWolf | not a clue |
| 13:59.33 | MoonWolf | no information was given about 1.12 , i think. |
| 13:59.56 | Thrae | Now THAT would be a big improvement. What I always found frustrating about PvP is the "Super Groups" that try and bring order to PvP. |
| 14:00.29 | Thrae | PUGs should be allowed to be viable just because their chaotic nature adds relief from the emphasis on heavy organization. |
| 14:00.48 | Thrae | A little chaos every now and then can be fun :) |
| 14:01.03 | Thrae | That is, unless you need to win every single time. |
| 14:01.10 | Industrial | <-- :P |
| 14:01.16 | MoonWolf | or a pve battleground, there is a centrel point in the bg, it sends out mobs, you have to reach the center before the other team does. |
| 14:01.28 | Industrial | thats cool |
| 14:01.42 | Industrial | you could have one or two rogues infest the others PVE killing |
| 14:01.45 | Industrial | >:) |
| 14:01.48 | MoonWolf | you could |
| 14:02.06 | MoonWolf | ofcousre certain mobs would be able to detect stealth |
| 14:02.14 | MoonWolf | so you cant yust walk in with a rogue and be done with it. |
| 14:02.21 | MoonWolf | might have to do something in the building too. |
| 14:02.49 | MoonWolf | disable a panel, takes 60 seconds, interupted by damage |
| 14:02.56 | MoonWolf | like a ab flag. |
| 14:03.14 | MoonWolf | but now you have to defend against mobs. |
| 14:03.20 | Industrial | aggro management |
| 14:03.23 | Industrial | :P |
| 14:04.07 | MoonWolf | actually i really like that idea |
| 14:04.12 | Industrial | yep |
| 14:04.16 | [Ammo] | Wow has enough pve already meh |
| 14:04.20 | [Ammo] | AV = pve |
| 14:04.25 | Thrae | Dammit MoonWolf, I went up to get breakfast and thought up the EXACT same idea :D |
| 14:04.25 | [Ammo] | play that :p |
| 14:04.43 | MoonWolf | AV = no more pve in 1.11. or so they say. |
| 14:04.50 | Industrial | whats av |
| 14:04.52 | Industrial | :X |
| 14:04.58 | MoonWolf | alterac valey |
| 14:04.59 | [Ammo] | alterac valley nubber :p |
| 14:05.04 | Industrial | yes what is it |
| 14:05.13 | [Ammo] | it's a pve BG |
| 14:05.18 | [Ammo] | blatantly |
| 14:05.19 | MoonWolf | two bases, fight to the other base and kill the leader mob |
| 14:05.34 | Industrial | ic |
| 14:05.36 | MoonWolf | there tons of mobs both neutral and other faction along the way |
| 14:05.51 | [Ammo] | if you don't kill 'boss mobs' the guards keep spawning |
| 14:05.53 | Thrae | Alterac Valley = DAoC RvR and BGs. |
| 14:06.08 | MoonWolf | i like to see it as a form of dota |
| 14:06.10 | MoonWolf | only worse |
| 14:06.17 | Industrial | daoc bg's is king of the hill |
| 14:06.18 | [Ammo] | so you have to take out the lieutenants/commanders etc |
| 14:06.36 | [Ammo] | but the main thing is AV is level 51-60 |
| 14:06.43 | [Ammo] | and has a spear reward ;( |
| 14:06.59 | [Ammo] | at least they removed the spawn in the field of strife |
| 14:07.02 | [Ammo] | to get that spear :) |
| 14:07.04 | [Ammo] | icenoobspear |
| 14:07.33 | Thrae | "OK, we're going to win this for the Alliance! ...But first let's kill a random elite to get these n00bs their spears." |
| 14:07.50 | MoonWolf | bloodseeker bows ! |
| 14:07.59 | MoonWolf | crossbows* |
| 14:08.29 | [Ammo] | not to mention the farmers in the harpy caves |
| 14:09.02 | MoonWolf | i had another idea for a long time |
| 14:09.02 | MoonWolf | might as well bounce it off you |
| 14:09.02 | MoonWolf | ability rewards. |
| 14:09.02 | phyber | I like how blizzard puts "WoW.com" in the title of their webpages in the US, when they don't own that domain name. |
| 14:09.13 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 14:09.16 | [Ammo] | sue em |
| 14:09.20 | MoonWolf | Certain factions and ranks give you... abilities. |
| 14:09.48 | MoonWolf | you have a special bar of 2 * lvl/10 |
| 14:09.49 | [Ammo] | pvp ranking is just a matter of playing 24/7 |
| 14:10.02 | [Ammo] | in premade groups that lose to eachother in turn |
| 14:10.04 | [Ammo] | (at least on Kazzak) |
| 14:10.08 | MoonWolf | and you can only have that amount of those abilities with you |
| 14:10.26 | [Ammo] | Moonwolf: too complicated, WoW is supposed to be a nubbergame you know! |
| 14:10.29 | MoonWolf | certain locations could stop them from being used. |
| 14:10.36 | MoonWolf | like bossfights. |
| 14:10.37 | [Ammo] | blizzard would never implement smoething that requires an IQ of over 60 |
| 14:10.44 | MoonWolf | [Ammo], but it could be fun. |
| 14:10.52 | MoonWolf | have more thought into your class |
| 14:11.23 | MoonWolf | getting higher factions could give you more then recipies |
| 14:11.29 | MoonWolf | you could get a new ability |
| 14:11.41 | MoonWolf | i like it :( |
| 14:12.09 | MoonWolf | both passive and active btw |
| 14:12.58 | MoonWolf | someone exalted with the gulch faction might get a passive +10% runspeed |
| 14:14.11 | MoonWolf | revered you could get you a snare |
| 14:14.18 | MoonWolf | that works different per char. |
| 14:14.19 | MoonWolf | etc etc |
| 14:14.22 | MoonWolf | it could be cool. |
| 14:14.38 | CIA-17 | 03otravi 07otravi * r2692 10otravi_UnitFrames/ (5 files in 3 dirs): oUF: Added Target's target. |
| 14:17.55 | CIA-17 | 03otravi 07otravi * r2693 10otravi_UnitFrames/oUF/otravi_UnitFrames.lua: oUF - Added a menu to configure the target's target. |
| 14:18.03 | MoonWolf | Industrial, TT |
| 14:18.10 | MoonWolf | ToT even. |
| 14:21.40 | Industrial | YAY |
| 14:22.48 | haste | so many people where whingin :p |
| 14:23.01 | haste | I wrote it out of memory, not sure if everything is as it should |
| 14:23.14 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 14:23.36 | Industrial | few hours left til i get home :p |
| 14:23.52 | [Ammo] | haste: could you add a glow over the frame if that person has a debuff that is curable by yourself? Like the MG2-64pre4 does |
| 14:23.57 | [Ammo] | it's so handy |
| 14:24.11 | haste | I'm not adding the glow before I've asked ag about it :p |
| 14:24.40 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 14:24.47 | [Ammo] | it's pretty damn cool |
| 14:24.55 | haste | yeh, I liked it a lot |
| 14:24.56 | [Ammo] | too bad MG2-64pre4 is a bit buggy |
| 14:25.11 | [Ammo] | but if you can get your frames to look like the ABF style in mg2 I'll use em :p |
| 14:25.30 | [Ammo] | combat indicator/aggro indicator by the pulsating border works well too |
| 14:25.33 | MoonWolf | ABF owns. |
| 14:25.41 | MoonWolf | the look i mean. |
| 14:25.44 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 14:25.57 | [Ammo] | nice and clean |
| 14:38.38 | [Ammo] | haste: are there supposed to be rightclick windows in the unitframes? |
| 14:38.46 | [Ammo] | because they refuse to work, but could be outofdate stuff here |
| 14:39.01 | [Ammo] | PC at work which has old embeds on it as well |
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| 14:50.52 | haste | [Ammo], config menu is <ctrl>right-click |
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| 14:56.07 | Mikma | god damn, QuestsFu isn't compatible with Nurfed's AFTT Mini |
| 15:00.41 | [Ammo] | haste: aha |
| 15:01.08 | [Ammo] | parseInt( string, radix) |
| 15:01.15 | [Ammo] | if you don't pass the radix |
| 15:01.23 | [Ammo] | it'll automagically determine it for you |
| 15:01.28 | [Ammo] | but totally WRONG |
| 15:01.45 | [Ammo] | so if I passed it 08 or 09 it would return 0 |
| 15:01.49 | [Ammo] | instead of 8 or 9 |
| 15:01.51 | [Ammo] | blergh |
| 15:01.59 | [Ammo] | anyway, customer happy now that it is fixed |
| 15:05.29 | Tem | So, last night my guild killed Nefarian for the first time |
| 15:05.57 | Tem | and it felt really easy |
| 15:06.38 | Tem | real, real easy |
| 15:06.42 | hyperChipmunk | =) |
| 15:06.53 | hyperChipmunk | once you get it, things are that way |
| 15:07.05 | hyperChipmunk | we got to stage three the first time on Saturday |
| 15:07.13 | hyperChipmunk | we'll have it next week |
| 15:07.19 | hyperChipmunk | now that we've seen it |
| 15:07.19 | [Ammo] | there is no real stage three |
| 15:07.26 | hyperChipmunk | well, the skeleton hordes |
| 15:07.30 | [Ammo] | there is the short intermezzo where rogues use Stratholme holy water |
| 15:07.35 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 15:07.38 | hyperChipmunk | =) |
| 15:07.46 | haste | the best fight in-game: C'Thun |
| 15:07.51 | [Ammo] | it's a good trick if your mages etc are not on the ball |
| 15:07.51 | haste | even tho' it sucks for horde :p |
| 15:07.53 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 15:07.56 | Wobin | 3-1 |
| 15:08.02 | hyperChipmunk | I knew I saved those holy waters for a good reason =) |
| 15:08.07 | hyperChipmunk | I bring them next time |
| 15:08.08 | Wobin | My friend is going to be ritually gutted tomorrow |
| 15:08.19 | haste | :OOO |
| 15:08.23 | [Ammo] | they are pretty damn viable for the skeleton zerg |
| 15:08.29 | Tem | our first time to get him below 65% we killed him |
| 15:08.30 | hyperChipmunk | I love 'em |
| 15:08.41 | Tem | so wer took the zerg at 20% without ever doing it before |
| 15:08.47 | Tem | s/wer/we/ |
| 15:08.51 | [Ammo] | we killed him the first time we got him to go dragonform |
| 15:09.00 | Tem | badass |
| 15:09.07 | [Ammo] | even though we had only 20 people standing after the zerg |
| 15:09.21 | [Ammo] | it was messy |
| 15:09.26 | Tem | our first few times to get him to land we were like "YEAH THE DRAGON IS LANDING" |
| 15:09.31 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 15:09.34 | Tem | so we forgot to kill the other drakanoids |
| 15:09.37 | [Ammo] | ouch |
| 15:09.46 | Tem | phase 1 took us 2 weeks |
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| 15:09.57 | [Ammo] | yeah took us 2 weeks also |
| 15:10.11 | [Ammo] | now imagine being the guild meeting him for the first time |
| 15:10.14 | [Ammo] | and having to figure out what to do |
| 15:10.20 | Tem | wow |
| 15:10.22 | hyperChipmunk | that's the best ever |
| 15:10.31 | Tem | that would be so much fun |
| 15:10.37 | hyperChipmunk | I was raidleader of that guild in EQ |
| 15:10.40 | Tem | much love for new content |
| 15:10.47 | [Ammo] | oh yeah new content is cool |
| 15:10.57 | [Ammo] | we took down skeram without having read strats etc |
| 15:10.58 | hyperChipmunk | it was massive |
| 15:11.03 | [Ammo] | took us 2 nights though |
| 15:11.08 | [Ammo] | but skeram ain't hard |
| 15:11.23 | [Ammo] | strategy wise |
| 15:11.24 | Tem | theres another guild on our server that's killed the first 2 in AQ40 |
| 15:11.29 | Tem | but hasn't killed Nef yet |
| 15:11.42 | [Ammo] | Skeram is a squish |
| 15:11.47 | [Ammo] | poke him and he dies |
| 15:11.48 | haste | first four bosses in AQ40 are BWL level |
| 15:12.03 | Tem | I'm a little worried about nef still though |
| 15:12.07 | [Ammo] | Skeram is BWL strategy wise, but Gehenass dificulty HPwise |
| 15:12.10 | Tem | we spent like 2000g on potions |
| 15:12.13 | [Ammo] | ouch |
| 15:12.17 | Tem | not something we want to do again |
| 15:12.27 | hyperChipmunk | I love how it's like, 'oh crap the raid just asploded. what happened? stop laughing! yes, it's hilarious, but why did we just get flattened?"...4 hours later..."I think it's because I cast a spell when my mana remaining was a prime number"..."oooh" |
| 15:12.29 | [Ammo] | nowadays we don't even use titans on nef |
| 15:12.32 | Tem | we had like 8 flasks of titans |
| 15:12.44 | Tem | 8 distilled wisdom |
| 15:12.49 | Tem | 5 supreme power |
| 15:13.01 | Tem | and god knows how many random other potions |
| 15:13.08 | [Ammo] | Nefarian is about handling the class calls |
| 15:13.12 | [Ammo] | and just sitting it out |
| 15:13.19 | [Ammo] | we have killed nefarian with 8 people standing after the zerg |
| 15:13.29 | [Ammo] | took a while but we did it :) |
| 15:13.30 | Tem | Nefarian is about getting through phase 1 and the zerg at 20% |
| 15:13.34 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 15:13.38 | Tem | the rest of him is easy |
| 15:13.41 | [Ammo] | phase 1 red/black is bloody hard |
| 15:13.49 | Tem | we had bronze/blue |
| 15:13.53 | [Ammo] | that's pretty easy |
| 15:13.56 | Tem | aye |
| 15:13.57 | hyperChipmunk | we had green/blue last time |
| 15:14.03 | [Ammo] | red/black = warlocks useless |
| 15:14.19 | phyber | what do those colours do? nerf spells? |
| 15:14.26 | [Ammo] | red = nerf firedamage |
| 15:14.29 | phyber | < hasn't beaten Razorgore |
| 15:14.31 | [Ammo] | black = nerf fire and shadowdamage |
| 15:14.39 | [Ammo] | -> no warlock aoe yay |
| 15:14.56 | haste | I'm most likely bringing my warlock to the next bwl ;) |
| 15:15.09 | [Ammo] | I still need nemesis robes |
| 15:15.11 | haste | think it will be a nice change |
| 15:15.14 | [Ammo] | we have had 3 robes drop for us so far :( |
| 15:15.16 | haste | We never get the gloves :p |
| 15:15.25 | [Ammo] | I have nemesis gloves and ebon flame |
| 15:15.33 | haste | We have gotten two gloves |
| 15:15.33 | [Ammo] | ebon flame + shadowpower enchant |
| 15:15.37 | haste | in months of clearing BWL |
| 15:15.57 | [Ammo] | we got 7x dragonstalker in our first 5 nef kills |
| 15:16.10 | [Ammo] | every hunter and their pet geared |
| 15:16.13 | [Ammo] | meh |
| 15:16.28 | [Ammo] | we have had one eye of sulf and garrs binding of windseeker |
| 15:16.33 | [Ammo] | we need the other half for EZmode pve |
| 15:16.46 | [Ammo] | TF nerfs fights pretty damn well |
| 15:16.55 | [Ammo] | so we're fighting all these bosses hardmode :) |
| 15:17.20 | phyber | we have 2 of Geddon's binding :/ |
| 15:17.25 | [Ammo] | meh |
| 15:17.28 | haste | we have two garr bindings |
| 15:17.30 | haste | no, three |
| 15:17.33 | haste | never gotten the other one |
| 15:17.40 | hyperChipmunk | we've got like 6 of geddons and 0 of garr |
| 15:17.47 | [Ammo] | it's silly |
| 15:17.52 | [Ammo] | other guilds have 3 TFs on kazzak |
| 15:17.57 | [Ammo] | in fact most guilds have 2+ |
| 15:18.04 | hyperChipmunk | we get sulf eye faster than we can make the weapons though |
| 15:19.42 | Tem | we have 2 of Garr's binding |
| 15:19.53 | [Ammo] | 1 eye, 1 garr binding we have |
| 15:19.59 | [Ammo] | made the hammer immediately ofcourse |
| 15:20.08 | [Ammo] | we also have 15 ingots on loan to other guilds :) |
| 15:20.15 | Tem | lol |
| 15:20.21 | [Ammo] | it's silly |
| 15:20.30 | Tem | we sell spots on our raids to buy the hunter leaf at domo |
| 15:20.38 | Tem | since it's like a 90% drop for us |
| 15:20.42 | [Ammo] | we sell eyes and leafs |
| 15:20.48 | [Ammo] | 400g a pop if it drops |
| 15:20.56 | Tem | same price we use |
| 15:20.57 | [Ammo] | usually have a hunter and a priest outside MC when we do domo |
| 15:21.03 | hyperChipmunk | heh |
| 15:21.15 | hyperChipmunk | I gotta get around to doing that quest |
| 15:21.21 | [Ammo] | the guy with the binding is our #1 rogue |
| 15:21.28 | [Ammo] | he has had the bars for ages now |
| 15:21.30 | hyperChipmunk | got the leaf about a month ago |
| 15:21.37 | [Ammo] | ugh |
| 15:21.39 | Tem | and do you have the sinew? |
| 15:21.39 | [Ammo] | do the quest |
| 15:21.39 | hyperChipmunk | along with the sinew |
| 15:21.41 | [Ammo] | it's easy |
| 15:21.48 | hyperChipmunk | just never got around to doing the quest |
| 15:21.49 | Tem | ya do your quest |
| 15:21.51 | Tem | that bow is sick |
| 15:21.53 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 15:21.54 | hyperChipmunk | meh |
| 15:21.58 | [Ammo] | it's better than any other weapon |
| 15:22.03 | [Ammo] | even Naxx doesn't drop a better weapon |
| 15:22.04 | hyperChipmunk | I worked hard for my GM gun |
| 15:22.16 | hyperChipmunk | REAL hard |
| 15:22.29 | [Ammo] | apart from maybe the crossbow from chromaggus |
| 15:22.36 | [Ammo] | that hasn't dropped for us yet |
| 15:22.44 | [Ammo] | some hunters are aching for it |
| 15:22.46 | hyperChipmunk | we have one |
| 15:22.49 | Tem | we got a claw last week |
| 15:22.55 | hyperChipmunk | got claw on first kill |
| 15:23.00 | Tem | our O casters went apeshit |
| 15:23.12 | Mikma | hmm |
| 15:23.19 | Mikma | this is rather interesting |
| 15:23.21 | Tem | and I just sat back all calm |
| 15:23.24 | hyperChipmunk | I'm not going to replace my GM gun anyways, so bow quest just not intersted |
| 15:23.32 | Tem | thinking "the first Shadow Flame is mine" |
| 15:24.50 | [Ammo] | we have 5 shadow flames or so |
| 15:24.53 | [Ammo] | but it sucks for locks imho |
| 15:25.00 | Tem | tell ours |
| 15:25.06 | [Ammo] | I'd rather use onehander + tome of shadowforce |
| 15:25.11 | Tem | they are all sitting high on dkp because their shit goes cheap |
| 15:25.29 | [Ammo] | we have had 2 claws drop I think |
| 15:26.07 | [Ammo] | both went to mages |
| 15:26.15 | [Ammo] | and both mages then bought a damn shadowflame staff |
| 15:26.23 | [Ammo] | fuckers :p |
| 15:26.24 | Tem | lol |
| 15:26.31 | hyperChipmunk | lol |
| 15:26.35 | [Ammo] | I don't understand how some people spend their dkp |
| 15:26.37 | [Ammo] | but it's all ok |
| 15:26.40 | hyperChipmunk | we have a druid that buys every single shoulderpiece that drops |
| 15:26.49 | Wobin | shoulder fetish? |
| 15:26.51 | [Ammo] | I am a patient guy and picking up what I want/need at a slower pace |
| 15:26.59 | Tem | I just want a shoulderpeice to drop that I can wear |
| 15:27.13 | Tem | I haven't been on a raid where a cloth shoulderpeice dropped |
| 15:27.14 | Tem | ever |
| 15:27.23 | Tem | I rarely miss raids |
| 15:27.29 | Tem | and I've been raiding since novemeber |
| 15:27.34 | [Ammo] | we have razorgore's mantle go for minbid all the time :) |
| 15:27.41 | [Ammo] | because everyone and their demon has one :) |
| 15:27.44 | Tem | and I've never seen cloth shoulders |
| 15:27.59 | Tem | (that I could equip) |
| 15:28.12 | [Ammo] | 7 mantles of the blackwing cabal |
| 15:28.13 | Tem | (we got double nemesis on our first Chromag kill.. fucking locks) |
| 15:28.23 | [Ammo] | we have wrath drop every single kill |
| 15:28.29 | Tem | us too |
| 15:28.30 | [Ammo] | I think we've had 2 kills without wrath |
| 15:28.34 | [Ammo] | the rest was wrath shoulders |
| 15:28.45 | Tem | though, we've been getting that way with Netherwind in BWL |
| 15:28.48 | [Ammo] | guess that's random loot for you :) |
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| 15:28.55 | Tem | our first Nef kill was NW and Wrath |
| 15:29.15 | Tem | then we got some really odd mail belt |
| 15:29.26 | Tem | that didn't look like it belonged on Nef's loot table |
| 15:29.51 | hyperChipmunk | shammybelt =P |
| 15:30.15 | MoonWolf | how long does a nef kill take ? |
| 15:30.18 | Tem | even for a shammy it looked just kinda |
| 15:30.19 | hyperChipmunk | it's a running joke on our server that every Alliance guild gets that on their first nef kill |
| 15:30.19 | Tem | meh |
| 15:30.23 | [Ammo] | 15 mins or so |
| 15:30.50 | Tem | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=51906 |
| 15:30.55 | [Ammo] | our fastest BWL is now 3 hours 9 minutes from first pull till nef dead |
| 15:31.05 | Mikma | maia: do you happen to remember the program on os x which you can use to compare 2 files? it comes with dev tools |
| 15:31.11 | [Ammo] | diff |
| 15:31.21 | [Ammo] | (if you're talking commandline) |
| 15:31.28 | [Ammo] | otherwise install gnu-utils |
| 15:31.30 | [Ammo] | and you get it :p |
| 15:31.32 | maia | Mikma: diff? |
| 15:31.44 | hyperChipmunk | diff ftw |
| 15:31.45 | Mikma | maia: nope it has GUI |
| 15:31.49 | hyperChipmunk | gvimdiff |
| 15:31.50 | hyperChipmunk | =D |
| 15:31.55 | MoonWolf | X-dff ? |
| 15:31.58 | MoonWolf | dif* |
| 15:32.02 | maia | you can use TextWrangler to diff 2 files |
| 15:32.34 | Mikma | it's callef FileMerge, i found it at last |
| 15:33.08 | [Ammo] | we get mostly casterloot from nef though |
| 15:33.14 | [Ammo] | the non-class stuff that is |
| 15:33.15 | maia | I don't like it for coding as much as I like TextMate, but I use it for diffs (especially since the svn-webtools are offline, such as the neat changelog) |
| 15:33.22 | [Ammo] | priests are now getting Circlets of the Mindflayer |
| 15:33.28 | [Ammo] | we only got one Asscandy so far too |
| 15:33.40 | Mikma | maia: if you got devtools installed, search filemerge and try it, it's a nice program to have with os |
| 15:35.22 | maia | Mikma: it's nice, but it shows stuff that hasnt changed too ;) |
| 15:36.06 | Mikma | yeah but usually they don't bother that much |
| 15:36.19 | maia | afk again for a bit... |
| 15:41.04 | Mikma | what the hell :D interesting... |
| 15:42.35 | Mikma | http://pastebin.com/704478 |
| 15:42.59 | Mikma | there's the reason why QuestsFu and MonkeyQuest won't show questinfo on tooltip |
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| 16:03.48 | haste | hyperChipmunk, btw, compare your target's target to the one I commited today |
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| 16:49.34 | Industrial | HellsBlade[retired] changed name to Hard Gay |
| 16:49.41 | Industrial | Hard Gay: hoooooo~~~ |
| 16:49.46 | Industrial | i shocked people :D |
| 16:49.56 | Industrial | (they didnt know hard gay) |
| 16:50.25 | maia | what are you talking about? :) |
| 16:50.55 | hyperChipmunk | oh fudge; I deleted my local changes |
| 16:51.20 | Industrial | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1508917287004085296&q=%22hard+gay%22 |
| 16:51.24 | Industrial | maia: that |
| 16:51.45 | Industrial | thats a fake tho |
| 16:51.46 | Industrial | ; |
| 16:51.46 | Industrial | P |
| 16:52.05 | Industrial | lemme check youtube for one |
| 16:52.41 | Wobin | I guess I'm glad I can't watch google video =P |
| 16:53.12 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMVxhQmMI8o&search=%22hard%20gay%22 |
| 16:53.14 | Industrial | Xd |
| 16:53.35 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USU-zXVljd0&search=%22hard%20gay%22 |
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| 16:53.51 | Wobin | http://www.avoidinglife.com/index.php/2005/07/21/who_is_hard_gay |
| 16:57.04 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 16:57.37 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r2694 10MrPlow/ (4 files): MrPlow - Added in slot ignoring |
| 16:58.32 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:59.04 | Ratbert_CP | Just don't tell my wife, m'kay? |
| 17:02.29 | Mikma | ah hahahaha!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVB2ar4R6pY |
| 17:06.00 | Wobin | omg |
| 17:06.02 | Wobin | the model is speaking |
| 17:06.47 | Wobin | don't you love the repeated crotch closeups? =P |
| 17:07.04 | Mikma | yeah |
| 17:11.38 | Wobin | actually I liked the preview for the PP =P |
| 17:16.25 | CIA-17 | 03uruloke * r2695 10ArcHUD/ (ArcHUD.lua ArcHUDRing.lua Rings/ArcHUDRing_Party.lua): |
| 17:16.25 | CIA-17 | ArcHUD |
| 17:16.25 | CIA-17 | - Fixed typo in GhostMode |
| 17:16.25 | CIA-17 | - Fixed partyring not fading if unit was using rage |
| 17:17.52 | Industrial | haste: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/errors/WoWScrnShot_061206_190426.jpg |
| 17:18.01 | Industrial | haste: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/errors/WoWScrnShot_061206_190611.jpg |
| 17:24.39 | Mikma | i haven't even tried the ToT yet |
| 17:24.55 | hyperChipmunk | yea |
| 17:25.13 | hyperChipmunk | you have to force the DB to reset |
| 17:25.21 | hyperChipmunk | delete the SV file or /script oUFDB = nil |
| 17:25.44 | haste | Industrial, /script oUFDB = nil |
| 17:25.50 | haste | damn it, I'm blind |
| 17:26.25 | Industrial | oh ic |
| 17:26.39 | haste | I forgot to write it :( |
| 17:26.41 | Mikma | haste: doesn't matter, i still love you |
| 17:26.50 | Mikma | (not in a gay way) |
| 17:27.22 | MoonWolf | suuuuure |
| 17:27.34 | Mikma | but moonwolf |
| 17:27.37 | Mikma | i love you in a gay way |
| 17:27.41 | MoonWolf | great |
| 17:27.48 | MoonWolf | lets go over here and have gay buttsesch |
| 17:28.21 | Mikma | mind if i dump my wife to be and marry you instead |
| 17:28.41 | MoonWolf | i dont want any commitments! |
| 17:28.59 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/fun/WoWScrnShot_060706_172238.jpg |
| 17:29.14 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/fun/WoWScrnShot_060706_175526.jpg |
| 17:29.20 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/fun/WoWScrnShot_060706_175530.jpg |
| 17:29.22 | MoonWolf | talk about lots of linnen |
| 17:29.46 | MoonWolf | aha |
| 17:29.53 | MoonWolf | auctioneering |
| 17:29.57 | MoonWolf | the evil way |
| 17:30.07 | Industrial | I made like 11g profit |
| 17:30.15 | Industrial | zing! |
| 17:30.31 | haste | rof l:p |
| 17:30.44 | Industrial | thats how i power my twink :E |
| 17:30.48 | Industrial | who needs a lv 60 |
| 17:34.25 | Mikma | druid or hunter |
| 17:34.32 | Mikma | which one will i make? |
| 17:34.41 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2696 10SmartRes/ (SmartRes.lua SmartResLocals.lua): SmartRes: added additional error messages to clarify why no resurrection is being cast. |
| 17:37.12 | haste | hunter is retarded to L10 |
| 17:37.15 | Gngsk | what's the cure for this error: SEEmbedKeys.lua:164: attempt to index local `self' (a nil value) |
| 17:37.29 | haste | poke Tekcub. |
| 17:37.37 | Gngsk | I know it has to do with squishy and fubar, I think |
| 17:37.54 | maia | Gngsk: seems you updated an addon thats using Metrognome, and the latest Metrognome doesnt work well with old FuBars. |
| 17:38.10 | maia | the downside of embedded libraries. |
| 17:38.14 | Gngsk | ahh, ok |
| 17:38.20 | Gngsk | so what should I do? |
| 17:38.25 | Industrial | update fubar |
| 17:38.29 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 17:38.32 | maia | and bug tekkub |
| 17:38.41 | Gngsk | snag fubar from svn then? |
| 17:38.46 | maia | yup |
| 17:38.49 | Gngsk | k, thx |
| 17:39.00 | Mikma | haste: hunter is retarted to lvl60 ;) |
| 17:39.19 | Industrial | I feel like playing a hunter |
| 17:39.21 | Industrial | :E |
| 17:39.25 | Industrial | a dwarf hunter! |
| 17:40.31 | Wobin | yeh go dwarf |
| 17:40.40 | Wobin | although, FD+ShadowMEld is a OTP |
| 17:40.48 | Industrial | oh yeah |
| 17:40.53 | Industrial | that owns in wsg |
| 17:41.03 | Industrial | you know the tunnel entrance roof? |
| 17:41.06 | Industrial | it has 2 roofs |
| 17:41.15 | Industrial | try and get on top of the lower one |
| 17:41.22 | Industrial | >:) |
| 17:41.33 | Wobin | I'll borrow Mikma's fireplace |
| 17:41.58 | Mikma | burn baby burn |
| 17:44.27 | maia | so, anyone using Squishy? It's somewhat irritating that noone is posting any bugs. either noone is using anymore, or its working fine. |
| 17:45.05 | hyperChipmunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.18 | hyperChipmunk | nobody ever says anything on my addons either |
| 17:45.42 | Mikma | hyperChipmunk: then make bugs into them |
| 17:45.51 | hyperChipmunk | sry =( |
| 17:46.24 | maia | hyperChipmunk: whats your svn account? then I could filter the commits to see which addons are yours. |
| 17:47.16 | Thrae | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1552.0.html <-- any ideas? |
| 17:47.21 | hyperChipmunk | mis |
| 17:47.23 | hyperChipmunk | hyperactiveChipmunk |
| 17:47.41 | Thrae | Is WebSVN up? *looks* |
| 17:47.57 | Thrae | Bah, nope. |
| 17:47.59 | maia | Thrae: no, but I'd like to know more about that library you're working on |
| 17:48.10 | hyperChipmunk | http://hyperactiveChipmunk.wowinterface.com |
| 17:48.31 | maia | hyperChipmunk: hmm, can't find any commits with author "hyper..." |
| 17:48.59 | hyperChipmunk | all my addons are at the portal there |
| 17:49.11 | Thrae | maia: GooeyFigs, an embeddable library to help you generate a very simple GUI settings window for your addon. |
| 17:49.33 | Thrae | It's working well so far in 1.11 PTR except for this damn FontStrings problem. |
| 17:49.47 | maia | hyperChipmunk: aah, you don't have them on the svn, I see. |
| 17:50.15 | maia | I've been using RaidMap for a while, but then reverted to BattlefieldCommander (which needs a rework though) |
| 17:50.45 | haste | isn't bulkmail on the svn? |
| 17:50.49 | maia | Thrae: sounds very promising. Did you check DewdropLib yet, maybe theres a workaround in it |
| 17:50.51 | hyperChipmunk | yes |
| 17:50.57 | hyperChipmunk | as is FuBar_BattlegroundFu |
| 17:51.05 | haste | I don't use FuBar so ... |
| 17:51.31 | maia | aaah - just realized the svnX filter only filters log messages, not authors. |
| 17:51.33 | Gngsk | can someone else who has fubar try something for me? |
| 17:51.45 | maia | Gngsk: sure. |
| 17:51.56 | Gngsk | detach a plugin's tooltip, then try to disable it through the fubar main menu popup |
| 17:52.18 | Gngsk | by unclicking that plugin's check in whichever category |
| 17:52.19 | Thrae | maia: I think Dewdrop uses only tooltips, which automatically resize depending on the content of what's in them, but lemme take another look. |
| 17:52.37 | maia | Gngsk: disable the entire plugin I assume? |
| 17:52.43 | Gngsk | yea |
| 17:53.09 | maia | [19:52-1838] ...ace\FuBar\FuBarPlugin-1.2\FuBarPlugin-1.2.lua:1220: TabletLib: Detached tooltip has no owner. |
| 17:53.10 | maia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.14 | Gngsk | yea |
| 17:53.30 | Gngsk | it works for me if I click on the plugin's icon and click 'disable' but it doesn't work the other way |
| 17:53.48 | maia | file a bug report :) |
| 17:53.55 | Gngsk | suppose I will |
| 17:56.18 | Mikma | wow, FuBar error ftw! |
| 17:56.47 | Mikma | SEEmbedKeys.lua:164: attempt to index local 'self' (a nil value) |
| 17:57.17 | Gngsk | scroll up :P |
| 17:57.29 | Mikma | yeah |
| 17:58.01 | Mikma | but.. i didn't update Fubar |
| 17:58.46 | Mikma | unless the bug came with ouf2 ;) |
| 17:59.12 | maia | Mikma: you updated Metrognome, right? |
| 17:59.19 | Mikma | maia: nope |
| 17:59.22 | Mikma | only oUF2 |
| 17:59.35 | Mikma | so i guess it uses mgnome |
| 17:59.40 | maia | yup, it does |
| 17:59.53 | Mikma | doesn't matter, i disabled fubar for now ;) |
| 17:59.57 | maia | tell tekkub his Metrognome update broke FuBar |
| 17:59.57 | Industrial | :P |
| 18:00.08 | Mikma | Tekcub: Metrognome update broke FuBar |
| 18:00.30 | Mikma | now he will come and tell me IIiiiIIi need to use I not i |
| 18:01.27 | CIA-17 | 03uruloke * r2697 10ArcHUD/ (ArcHUD.lua ArcHUDRingHandler.lua): |
| 18:01.27 | CIA-17 | ArcHUD |
| 18:01.27 | CIA-17 | - Added debugging messages for use with AceDebug |
| 18:02.22 | Thrae | maia: Yeah, DewdropLib has a fixed width, and TabletLib uses Tooltips. |
| 18:02.30 | Thrae | Not exactly what I was looking for. |
| 18:02.52 | Gngsk | Mikma, I wanna try your action bars. |
| 18:03.03 | Mikma | Gngsk: gl :) |
| 18:03.18 | Gngsk | can you gimmie the url? |
| 18:03.41 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/MAMi .. and the latest non-working beta of new addon http://wow.reaktio.net/Bartender |
| 18:04.26 | Gngsk | so should I use beta2 or bartender? |
| 18:04.31 | Mikma | use beta2 |
| 18:04.35 | Gngsk | well, I guess if Bartender isn't working, yea |
| 18:04.39 | Mikma | bartender doesn't remember positions at all |
| 18:04.46 | Gngsk | cool |
| 18:04.58 | Mikma | or atleast i think it doesn't :D |
| 18:05.06 | Mikma | haven't tested that far hehe |
| 18:05.18 | Gngsk | trying to get rid of flexbar, but it's tough |
| 18:05.21 | Gngsk | so used to it :\ |
| 18:05.37 | Mikma | yeah your nor the first one i hear saying that |
| 18:06.07 | Gngsk | it's got some really nice features, but months of neglect have taken it's tole |
| 18:06.12 | Gngsk | well, almost a year now |
| 18:06.14 | Mikma | oh yeah btw MAMi is 37KiB on load :P |
| 18:06.25 | Thrae | What's wrong with plain 'ol Visor? |
| 18:07.06 | maia | hmm. so which of all the actionbar addons allows scripting buttons on events? I'd like to get rid of DAB, but I'd need at least: "switch bars depending on target faction" and "if mana <20% and out of combat show button else hide" |
| 18:07.10 | Wobin | Visor is good =( |
| 18:07.10 | maia | (besides Visor) |
| 18:07.11 | Gngsk | yea, that's what I missed from Visor |
| 18:07.27 | Mikma | maia: hmm there's a addon for some of that |
| 18:07.37 | Mikma | i saw it on curse |
| 18:08.40 | maia | well, I dont need a seperate addon, all I'd need is to be able to have a tiny addon with metrognome checking for target, mana etc to then show/hide buttons of an actionbar addon |
| 18:08.56 | maia | I prefer scripting that myself than learning visor |
| 18:09.24 | Gngsk | ok, why does mami put my chat editbox on top of my chatframe? |
| 18:09.32 | wereHamster | I'm currently trying to get rid of all my actionbuttons.. my goal is a UI without all this unneccessary stuff :) |
| 18:09.49 | maia | idActionbar had the option of switching pages - until industrial thought it was a bug and removed it. |
| 18:10.02 | haste | haha |
| 18:10.13 | Mikma | maia: well, i think mami does have the same feature... |
| 18:10.24 | haste | think? |
| 18:10.25 | Gngsk | yea, switching works |
| 18:10.27 | Mikma | because it only moves blizzard buttons |
| 18:10.47 | Gngsk | so what's the deal, I only get one row of buttons? |
| 18:10.50 | Thrae | So what's wrong with Visor? |
| 18:10.55 | Mikma | same thing applies to Bartender too, it only uses Blizzard's buttons |
| 18:11.05 | Mikma | Thrae: Visor is Hard Gay |
| 18:11.23 | Thrae | Visor is Uber++! |
| 18:11.25 | maia | Thrae: FlexBar was a pain, and Visor is probably not easier to learn. |
| 18:11.29 | Mikma | Gngsk: enable the buttons from blizz-menu ;) |
| 18:11.34 | Gngsk | ahh, right |
| 18:11.51 | maia | especially if you can code a simple if UnitMana("player") ... then ... end yourself. |
| 18:12.05 | Mikma | and if the bars jump in middle of screen, use /mami reset |
| 18:12.09 | Thrae | maia: VisorGUI makes it a little easier |
| 18:12.28 | maia | VisorGUI supports scripting buttons/bars nowadays? |
| 18:12.42 | Thrae | Visor always supported scripting. |
| 18:12.49 | maia | yeah, but the gui? |
| 18:12.51 | Gngsk | I'd like to split the 12 bars into 2 seperate groups and position them horizontally |
| 18:13.13 | Thrae | Not sure about the GUI really. What's wrong with doing it via slash commands? |
| 18:13.23 | maia | I dont want to have to learn them |
| 18:13.38 | haste | Thrae, oUF2 through slash command would be a PITA |
| 18:13.52 | Gngsk | yea, when I tried visor I couldn't get a simple event script working |
| 18:14.01 | haste | oh, ignore me |
| 18:14.09 | Mikma | Gngsk: you should try nurfed_actionbars sometimes. it's nice addon too if you wan't something extreme done |
| 18:14.13 | haste | I'm semi-reading while we are waiting for the dead people. |
| 18:14.38 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.13 | Mikma | i think visor is awesome but hard to configure |
| 18:15.31 | Gngsk | well, I wanted a group of buttons that would show/hide on gain hostile target and when I was in/out of combat |
| 18:15.39 | Mikma | if i had to choose between dab and visor i would sure in hell take visor |
| 18:16.09 | Thrae | Gngsk: EasyVisor can use Visor to setup a "Combat Bar", one that only shows when in combat. |
| 18:16.25 | Gngsk | I'll admit I've seen easy visor, but never tried it out |
| 18:16.35 | Gngsk | one of the main things I think I'd miss is the flexbar 'custom' events |
| 18:16.59 | Tain | I think Flexbar makes it more complicated than it has to be in some ways. |
| 18:16.59 | Gngsk | and it's additions to macros |
| 18:17.20 | Gngsk | Tain, how do you mean? |
| 18:17.22 | Thrae | Gngsk: Visor has all of Flexbar's powers, it just asks for Lua instead of the "Flexbar Way(tm)" |
| 18:17.45 | Tain | Flex just takes up so much more memory because it's keeping tables of events or functions that it maps to the corresponding Lua functions/events. |
| 18:17.52 | maia | Industrial: is there any way to add some scripting to show/hide buttons in idActionBar? And to flip pages? |
| 18:17.59 | Gngsk | Thrae, I know that's my problem |
| 18:18.16 | Industrial | maia: you'd have do make it custom for you |
| 18:18.19 | Gngsk | I'm already used to the way flexbar works and I don't wanna relearn Visor |
| 18:18.28 | Gngsk | guess I'll have to bite the bullet for 1.11 anyway though, so i should start now |
| 18:18.38 | Tain | The problem with that approach, well just in my opinion, is it just got too complicated so you end up having to learn just as much "flexbar code" as you would Lua. |
| 18:18.50 | Thrae | Gngsk: You'll be learning Lua, that's useful in other ways! |
| 18:19.24 | Tain | Now don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone should use Visor for scripts/events/etc. unless they really understand WoW's Lua environment. |
| 18:19.41 | Thrae | EasyVisor helps if you don't want to remember "ssh" stands for "set script handler". |
| 18:20.17 | Tain | And even then there's still a couple of annoying bugs with Visor. The button highlighting getting stuck on certain actions bugs the hell out of me. |
| 18:20.22 | Thrae | Tain likes to keep things simple. Very simple. |
| 18:20.27 | Tain | and EasyVisor does help! |
| 18:20.45 | Gngsk | suppose I'll give it another go |
| 18:20.46 | maia | EasyVisor? |
| 18:20.53 | Thrae | Tain: And if you open up the Macro Frame, scripts stop working. I've encountered that frequently recently =/ |
| 18:21.31 | maia | Tain: and remember me asking about cropping the buttons when scaling them down, as DAB can do? you mentioned you wanted to take a look at it. that was in february I think :) |
| 18:21.49 | Tain | Oh yeah I did actually maia. And.. hmm.. what did I find. |
| 18:21.59 | Thrae | Actually not only scripts, the Buttons don't seem to respond to stuff like Visor:Do("hsf=1-12 hst=24-36") while the Macro Frame is open and a while afterwards. |
| 18:22.23 | Tain | I found that it was possible to do and I think it was something that could be scripted with Visor. But now I forget how/why. heh |
| 18:22.38 | maia | (sorry for causing that action bar discussion) |
| 18:22.45 | Thrae | Anyway, be back in 20. |
| 18:23.10 | Industrial | cropping the buttons? |
| 18:23.22 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/shots/ui%20setups/WoWScrnShot_061006_203826.jpg |
| 18:23.25 | Industrial | ? |
| 18:23.47 | Tain | It's actually entirely possible and possibly likely that I won't update VisorButtons anymore at all. It just needs a real overhaul in my eyes to be pretty for 1.11+ and I don't want to invest the time. |
| 18:24.23 | Gngsk | damn |
| 18:24.41 | Tain | Cropping so that you can scale the button down, but the texture on the button stays it's original size and you only display part of it on the actual button |
| 18:24.58 | maia | ...which is pretty nice when playing on low resolutions |
| 18:25.09 | Tain | Right, I actually do think it's a great idea. |
| 18:26.30 | Industrial | tbh i prefer to use lua over visor now |
| 18:26.58 | Mikma | Industrial: what happened to ouf2? :P |
| 18:27.06 | Tain | That's what you do with Visor. All Visor does really is store the lua commands for you. |
| 18:27.07 | Industrial | thats old ;P |
| 18:27.31 | Tain | You could do the same thing setting up your display with your own Lua running on login. |
| 18:28.04 | Wobin | night |
| 18:28.21 | Tain | The biggest thing for me with Visor is moving frames. That's just easier. |
| 18:29.04 | Industrial | Tain: yes thats true |
| 18:32.40 | wereHamster | gimme a good name for a castbar addon :) |
| 18:32.56 | Tain | Holy scary animals. |
| 18:32.57 | Tain | http://www.wildmadagascar.org/wildlife/species/lemurs/Daubentonia_madagascariensis.html |
| 18:33.14 | Tain | They're becoming extinct because people kill them on sight because they're supposed to be bad luck. |
| 18:36.54 | Mikma | that's just superlame |
| 18:37.38 | haste | those looked cool imo |
| 18:37.42 | Mikma | how in the hell can one animal bring bad luck.. pff |
| 18:38.01 | Mikma | some people should try looking into gunbarrel when it's being fired |
| 18:38.17 | Mikma | just to see how the bullet looks when approaching |
| 18:40.56 | maia | Industrial: planning any major changes at idActionBar? because if not, I might mess with the with your code to setup my personal bars. |
| 18:51.26 | haste | haha, a warlock in my guild wants me to make a conflag addon for him. so he starts like this: Hello Agent Haste, I have a mission from you... |
| 18:51.32 | haste | and some long story ;p |
| 18:51.37 | steino | rada? :O |
| 18:51.40 | haste | yeh |
| 18:51.41 | steino | thats sooo him |
| 18:55.19 | Industrial | maia: Not really... this is how i want it to be - how i use it |
| 18:55.29 | Industrial | people are naggin for petbars and stuff tho |
| 18:56.16 | maia | Industrial: okay. already working on it. how can I reenable the page flipping? |
| 18:57.05 | maia | I'd want one bar with: friendly target: page1, aggr.target: page2, altkeydown: page3 (I know the latter might be difficult) |
| 18:58.24 | maia | ...or shall I better replace buttons? |
| 19:03.26 | haste | so.. what should I call this conflag addon? |
| 19:03.40 | haste | basicly tell you to learn2play at the forth immolate tick |
| 19:03.52 | maia | ConflAddon |
| 19:04.10 | maia | Conflagdon |
| 19:05.00 | haste | sounds good enough ;) |
| 19:05.17 | wereHamster | and Conflagoff ;) |
| 19:05.32 | wereHamster | Conflagdoff |
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| 19:08.55 | maia | Industrial: actually all idActionBar needs is a place in the lua where players can create an unlimited number of bars of their choice by using something like newBar(name, first, rows, cols, spacing) |
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| 19:24.12 | haste | I'm still thinking about making the oRA buttons gray ;D |
| 19:24.20 | haste | even blizzard use grab buttons! |
| 19:24.24 | haste | gray* |
| 19:24.36 | Mikma | teh gay |
| 19:28.25 | maia | is there a way to fade a text in a frame if it's not in a messageframe? |
| 19:34.40 | Thrae | So anyway, when GooeyFigs is in a workable state, I'll add lots and lots of Visor options as a GUI into EasyVisor. |
| 19:34.52 | Thrae | Making it more like DAB, except without the bloat. |
| 19:35.12 | Thrae | Or I might just edit VisorGUI. |
| 19:42.47 | maia | XML makes me want to cry. |
| 19:43.24 | Mikma | ~comfort maia |
| 19:43.26 | purl | There, there, maia. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:44.23 | maia | I cant find out what I'm doing wrong - I'm trying to anchor a messageframe to a frame, but then the frame ends up somewhere off screen. |
| 19:46.03 | Mikma | just frame:SetPoint it to center? |
| 19:46.52 | maia | I'm still using XML. but actually I want to get rid of the xml anyway. |
| 19:47.09 | Mikma | you're doing ace-code or nonace? |
| 19:47.51 | Thrae | maia: frame:SetPoint(FRAMES_ANCHOR,RELATIVE_FRAME,RELATIVE_FRAME_ANCHOR,OFFSETX,OFFSETY); -- If RELATIVE_FRAME is not set, then it's assumed to be the parent. |
| 19:47.51 | maia | ace |
| 19:48.21 | maia | Squishy is still using XML for its frames. I'd like to replace these by lua. |
| 19:49.02 | Mikma | well, if you do that and manage to understand the SavePosition and RestorePosition by these geniuses, tell me how you did it ;) |
| 19:56.40 | maia | hmm. I cant create a MessageFrame. I'm clueless. |
| 19:57.29 | Mikma | FCF_OpenNewWindow("MCLP"); ? |
| 19:58.12 | ckknight | omfg. |
| 19:58.29 | ckknight | the algorithm I had last night didn't work for complicated back references within metatables |
| 19:58.42 | ckknight | but I think I have it now |
| 20:16.32 | ckknight | nvm, still slightly bugged, it seems |
| 20:22.39 | ckknight | and fixed :-) |
| 20:28.38 | maia | has anyone ever used Texture:SetGradient()? |
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| 20:31.53 | ckknight | hey galka |
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| 20:44.10 | phyber | is it possible to resize the WorldFrame? |
| 20:44.43 | phyber | so, you could run the game in a big resolution that covers two monitors, then resize the WorldFrame so the game is only on one monitor and you could drag the WorldMap or something to the second monitor |
| 20:48.51 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r2698 10AceLibrary/ (AceLibrary.lua AceLocale.lua AceOO.lua): |
| 20:48.51 | CIA-17 | AceLibrary - Now uses an intelligent deep replace instead of a shallow replace, thus allowing for |
| 20:48.51 | CIA-17 | local t = Alpha.Bravo |
| 20:48.51 | CIA-17 | load new Alpha |
| 20:48.52 | CIA-17 | assert(t == Alpha.Bravo) |
| 20:48.52 | CIA-17 | This really means that AceOO and other complicated libraries can be upgraded without fault. |
| 20:49.58 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TestSuite * r2699 10AceLibrary/ (4 files): AceLibrary/TestSuite - added AceLibrary-reference unit tests |
| 20:50.14 | ckknight | phyber, yes/ |
| 20:53.25 | phyber | yeah, I just found CT_ViewPort. |
| 20:53.43 | ckknight | you can, what Tekkub does, afaik, is have it stretch across two monitors, have the UnitFrames on one, the game on the other |
| 20:53.44 | phyber | a friend wanted to run WoW on dual monitor with the game on one monitor and UI stuff on the other. |
| 20:53.45 | ckknight | or something |
| 20:54.08 | phyber | hopefully, CT_ViewPort can let him do that :) |
| 20:54.24 | ckknight | likely |
| 20:54.56 | ckknight | ugh, my brain hurts after all that |
| 20:56.34 | Tain | Pretty sure slouken posted a whole thread about doing dual display stuff. |
| 20:57.28 | ckknight | yea, think so |
| 20:58.00 | phyber | US UI forum? |
| 20:58.10 | Tain | Yeah |
| 20:59.33 | wereHamster | I did a DualMonitorLayout addon which moves some of the UI elements to the center of WorldFrame (instead of UIParent), so they don't show up in the middle of the two monitors when you use CT_Viewport to move the world to one monitor |
| 21:00.01 | phyber | http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/1435/ui9ju.jpg |
| 21:00.17 | phyber | this makes me want to go and buy dual flatscreen monitors tomorrow. |
| 21:00.23 | wereHamster | .. the main menu, UIErrorsFrame and the zoning text.. |
| 21:02.43 | maia | hmm. XML lua question: if I create a button, then do a button:RegisterForClicks("LeftButtonDown") and a header:SetScript("LeftButtonDown", doSomething() ), shouldnt that work? |
| 21:03.04 | maia | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.41 | wereHamster | does doSomething() return a function? |
| 21:04.01 | wereHamster | if not, the script will never be executed |
| 21:04.34 | maia | actually its SetScript("LeftButtonDown") function () ... end ) |
| 21:04.40 | maia | so the function has to return? |
| 21:05.16 | wereHamster | no.. |
| 21:05.26 | maia | the error message I get is: <butonname> doesn't have a "LeftButtonUp" script |
| 21:05.43 | maia | (assuming I also have one for Down, not only for Up) :) |
| 21:05.58 | wereHamster | what does wowwiki say? |
| 21:06.30 | maia | nothing really. |
| 21:06.38 | maia | well, it only references XML, but not lua |
| 21:10.33 | wereHamster | what does the Blizzard FrameXML source say? |
| 21:11.30 | wereHamster | do you have enableMouse="true" in your xml? |
| 21:11.34 | haste | rofl |
| 21:11.39 | haste | my first aid quest bugged :D |
| 21:11.50 | haste | so only two of the injured spawned |
| 21:11.53 | haste | the rest was just standing there |
| 21:11.57 | haste | not dying ;D |
| 21:12.06 | maia | wereHamster: afk for a bit, will check back and grep through other addons. |
| 21:12.19 | CIA-17 | 03devla * r2700 10BigWigs/AQ20/Moam.lua: BigWigs: Typo fix for Moam, since Ammo can't get ingame. |
| 21:13.53 | hyperChipmunk | haste: how do I get my frames to show up in the right-click list? |
| 21:14.54 | haste | hyperChipmunk, you manually add them atm |
| 21:15.04 | haste | oO |
| 21:15.12 | haste | you just spawned a idea hyperChipmunk :p |
| 21:15.53 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r2701 10AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua: AceLibrary - to alleviate memory usage, now uses a Compost-like table creation system. |
| 21:16.09 | wereHamster | ckknight, why not compost itself? |
| 21:17.10 | ckknight | wereHamster, because it's overboard |
| 21:17.21 | ckknight | and it's likely that compost will be built on AceLibrary |
| 21:17.27 | ckknight | so hooray for circular dependencies |
| 21:17.40 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 21:18.03 | MoonWolf | compost should be part of whatever base class ace addons use imho |
| 21:18.12 | ckknight | I'd be cool with that |
| 21:18.21 | ckknight | but really, that's not the point of AceAddon |
| 21:18.37 | MoonWolf | no, but its yust damn handy |
| 21:18.44 | ckknight | right |
| 21:19.03 | ckknight | local compost = AceLibrary("Compost-1.0") should be fine |
| 21:19.16 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 21:19.31 | ckknight | very few things should be mixins |
| 21:19.35 | MoonWolf | more people should use the awesomeness of compost. the RIGHT way. |
| 21:19.47 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:20.25 | ckknight | AceLibrary now creates a 1-deep copy of oldLib, and that can be anywhere from 1 table to infinite, depending on your structure |
| 21:20.39 | ckknight | if I don't do the compost route, then if you do it multiple times, it would just eek up memory |
| 21:21.23 | ckknight | this only happens when you replace an old lib with Register, which should never be in a critical code path anyway |
| 21:21.24 | MoonWolf | agreed |
| 21:21.34 | CIA-17 | 03silverwind * r2702 10BigWigsCTRA/ (. BigWigsCTRA.lua BigWigsCTRA.toc): BigWigsCTRA:Initial Import. This mod sends BigWigs messages to CTRaid's raidsend. |
| 21:21.36 | ckknight | :GetInstance is very cheap |
| 21:21.48 | ckknight | which is what most people will be doing |
| 21:21.55 | ckknight | :Register is not common and would never be in a for loop |
| 21:22.10 | MoonWolf | id be disapointed if it wasnt cheap, because its going to be called a damn lot. |
| 21:22.17 | MoonWolf | at startup. |
| 21:22.35 | ckknight | right |
| 21:22.39 | ckknight | naw, it's free memory-wise and cheap CPU-wise |
| 21:23.04 | MoonWolf | good |
| 21:23.09 | MoonWolf | loading should be snappy |
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| 21:24.01 | ckknight_ | grr |
| 21:24.09 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> :Register is not as cheap |
| 21:24.11 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> registering a new lib (not replacing), should create 1 table |
| 21:24.30 | ckknight_ | upgrading can create quite a few more tables, cause it's a complicated algorithm |
| 21:24.36 | ckknight_ | granted, it's done compost-style |
| 21:24.42 | ckknight_ | so that should alleviate things |
| 21:25.43 | ckknight_ | with my new changes, LibraryClass really does nothing much |
| 21:25.49 | ckknight_ | except change the :tostring() |
| 21:26.31 | ckknight_ | since it properly updates the .prototype automatically |
| 21:26.52 | MoonWolf | efficiency ftw |
| 21:27.05 | ckknight_ | yes, it is pretty efficient |
| 21:28.42 | ckknight_ | but I'd rather have it work correctly for all cases rather than be efficient |
| 21:29.17 | ckknight | which, as far as I can tell, it does now |
| 21:29.29 | ckknight | so we get the best of both worlds |
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| 21:43.06 | kergoth`bbl | ckknight, you do a deep copy? that's a slippery slope. if the table is deep enough, you can blow the lua stack. even if it isnt, you can get hosed by cycles unless you protect against it |
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| 21:43.46 | ckknight | kergoth, I keep an account of recursion and such |
| 21:44.18 | ckknight | and well, it's not a deep copy |
| 21:44.21 | ckknight | but a deep replace |
| 21:44.35 | ckknight | you have the structure of the first table |
| 21:44.49 | ckknight | it tries to push as much data into the proper place into that |
| 21:44.54 | ckknight | then chop off what's not there anymore |
| 21:45.00 | ckknight | and add what wasn't there before |
| 21:45.13 | ckknight | all keeping proper account of recursion and back references |
| 21:46.30 | MoonWolf | wtb, connection to server. |
| 21:46.43 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:46.55 | ckknight | it also tracks metatables properly |
| 21:49.09 | CIA-17 | 03ratbert * r2703 10QuartermasterLib/Lib/QuartermasterLib.lua: QuartermasterLib: Fixed some scoping/Stack overflow issues. |
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| 21:51.14 | ckknight_ | blast |
| 21:51.23 | CIA-17 | 03ratbert * r2704 10BagBoy/ (BagBoy.lua BagBoyFu.lua BagBoyGUI/BagBoyGUI.lua): |
| 21:51.23 | CIA-17 | BagBoy: Added EnableRule, DisableRule and ListRules |
| 21:51.23 | CIA-17 | Added simple Rule reporting to BagBoyFu/FuBarPlugin |
| 21:51.26 | ckknight_ | last message I got was CIA's |
| 21:51.32 | ckknight_ | anything come after that? |
| 21:58.47 | ckknight | anybody listen to The Mountain Goats? |
| 22:00.13 | Ratbert_CP | Not I. |
| 22:00.23 | Tain | They're not baaaaaaad |
| 22:02.08 | MoonWolf | lame joke |
| 22:02.28 | ckknight | ... |
| 22:02.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:02.31 | ckknight | really lame |
| 22:02.34 | ckknight | I like them |
| 22:02.47 | ckknight | I got like 1.3 gigs of music just by them |
| 22:02.53 | ckknight | they're pretty good |
| 22:18.21 | Mikma | hmm |
| 22:18.51 | Mikma | haste: otravi_UnitFrames.lua:228: attempt to index local 'p' (a nil value) ... this happened when i logged in |
| 22:19.33 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.41 | haste | It's saved per char ;) |
| 22:19.44 | Mikma | again? i already did that earlier :P |
| 22:20.13 | haste | updated to ToT now? |
| 22:20.16 | haste | or before? |
| 22:20.16 | Mikma | this is the same character i did play 5min ago |
| 22:20.33 | Mikma | before and i did play with it for like 2 hours |
| 22:20.50 | Mikma | now i relogged in and error was waiting |
| 22:21.10 | Mikma | i visited completely different server and didn't have any addons enabled |
| 22:21.11 | haste | well, the error you get.. it's regarding settings not excisting ;D |
| 22:21.26 | Mikma | well now the ToT frame won't appear anymore |
| 22:21.31 | Mikma | an error instead: |
| 22:21.56 | Mikma | otravi_UnitFrames.lua:444: attempt to index field 'HPBar' (a nil value) |
| 22:22.07 | Mikma | i tried to target myself after the first error |
| 22:22.13 | Mikma | and this error won't go away at all |
| 22:22.38 | haste | you know |
| 22:22.56 | haste | the second error is 'cause of the first one |
| 22:23.21 | Mikma | so that means i have to "/script oUFDB = nil" everytime i log in? |
| 22:23.22 | haste | but... check your WTF settings for oUF? |
| 22:23.25 | haste | no |
| 22:24.01 | Mikma | it's open now, what do you wanna know |
| 22:24.19 | haste | It can't find scale for one of the units |
| 22:24.35 | haste | look for player, target, party or targettarget missing it |
| 22:25.00 | Mikma | everyone has scale |
| 22:25.32 | haste | what frame is missing? |
| 22:25.41 | snurre | lol @ my guild breaking up cause a few of us are migrating :p |
| 22:25.51 | ckknight | lol |
| 22:25.52 | snurre | xxx has left the guild. yyy has left the guild. zzz has left the guild. |
| 22:25.59 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 22:26.07 | Mikma | haste: all of them has scale |
| 22:26.14 | haste | Mikma, what frame is missing? |
| 22:26.21 | haste | ingame that is |
| 22:26.27 | haste | since it's the one returning the error |
| 22:26.28 | Mikma | ToT |
| 22:26.39 | Mikma | i now did /rl |
| 22:26.49 | Mikma | the first error is waiting <okay> |
| 22:27.01 | Mikma | now i'll target myself |
| 22:27.08 | Mikma | pop! the second error |
| 22:27.40 | Mikma | player and target frames are there but tot is missing, and there was a 0.5-1s delay before the error |
| 22:28.33 | haste | there is a .5 sec update delay on the ToT |
| 22:28.39 | Tain | Oh I snuck something into the code when no one was looking, just find the line that says: for i=1, 100000000 do end |
| 22:28.40 | haste | anyway, do you have targettarget in your savedvars? |
| 22:28.46 | Mikma | yes i do |
| 22:28.54 | Mikma | ["targettarget"] = { plaa |
| 22:29.06 | haste | can you pastebin it :< ? |
| 22:29.10 | Mikma | sure |
| 22:29.39 | Mikma | http://pastebin.com/705377 |
| 22:29.56 | Mikma | it has identical settings as player |
| 22:30.09 | Mikma | except buff.. |
| 22:30.32 | Mikma | well and debuff and powerbar :) |
| 22:30.40 | Mikma | but that's the way it's supposed to be |
| 22:32.50 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.03 | maia | hmm, so if I have a button which is parented to a frame, and I want to be able to move the frame by dragging the button, which of the 2 need the moving logic? the button, right? |
| 22:33.08 | Mikma | ok try what i did |
| 22:33.33 | Mikma | logout, login to different realm without addons. then logout and login back to the server you have oUF configured |
| 22:33.52 | haste | maia, depends on frame strata I believe |
| 22:34.13 | haste | without addons? |
| 22:34.17 | Mikma | yeah |
| 22:34.26 | Mikma | but.. |
| 22:34.31 | maia | I've done EnableMouse(true), SetMovable(true) for both frames, and the button I RegisterForDrag("LeftButton") |
| 22:34.32 | kergoth`bbl | what's the current preferred in game lua editor nowadays? |
| 22:34.41 | Mikma | i mean login back to the server you where before WITH oUF of course :) |
| 22:34.44 | kergoth`bbl | i'm starting to do real, actual addon work again and need one that doesnt suck |
| 22:34.54 | haste | I like TinyPad |
| 22:35.00 | Mikma | TinyPad <3 |
| 22:35.17 | Mikma | it's sooooo good, /tinypad 1 .. |
| 22:35.26 | haste | That's the tained version |
| 22:35.30 | Mikma | yeap |
| 22:35.36 | Mikma | it's "better" i think :) |
| 22:35.55 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:36.07 | Mikma | and with me thinking is like competing in paralympics meh meh |
| 22:36.13 | haste | so basicly, I have to disable all my addons now :< ? |
| 22:36.31 | Mikma | haste: i'll explain one more time before you mess up ;) |
| 22:36.49 | Mikma | server1, we have all addons enabled. Logout |
| 22:36.55 | kergoth | my current plan of attack is: basic simple assist logic addon (ala smartassist), minimal version of battlefield commander, cleaned up version of buttonhole with a more sane api, then pick back up informatips |
| 22:37.02 | Mikma | change to server2, we don't have any addons enabled. Login |
| 22:37.28 | Mikma | server2, logout, change back to server1 with addons enabled. Login |
| 22:37.37 | Mikma | and that's how i got the error |
| 22:38.03 | haste | I don't see why it should happen |
| 22:38.07 | haste | (haven't tried yet btw) |
| 22:38.21 | haste | since.. I use WoW per Server/Char saving of saved vards |
| 22:38.24 | Mikma | well there's no reason for it to happen but it does anyway hehe |
| 22:38.43 | haste | so other server shouldn't touch other servers saved vars |
| 22:38.49 | haste | they arne't related in anyway :< |
| 22:39.13 | Mikma | well the config _is_ fine where i'm trying to login with oUF enabled |
| 22:39.24 | Mikma | but still i'm getting the error. i'll try another char |
| 22:39.46 | haste | the other chars has it own config :< |
| 22:40.02 | Mikma | and it doesn't have any errors |
| 22:40.33 | haste | pastebin the whole SV for the char you get a error on |
| 22:41.43 | CIA-17 | 03ratbert * r2705 10BagBoy/BagBoy.lua: BagBoy: Tradeoff - Rules Order now saved (including enabled/disabled), but you may have to Enable all your rules the first time... |
| 22:41.48 | Mikma | aww fook it looks horrible, go go Smultron! |
| 22:41.49 | Mikma | http://pastebin.com/705400 |
| 22:41.55 | Mikma | i'll repaste with another program |
| 22:41.59 | hyperChipmunk | it's happening because you only check the entire table |
| 22:42.09 | hyperChipmunk | when you add a field to the DB, it doesn't recreate it |
| 22:42.41 | Mikma | http://pastebin.com/705403 |
| 22:42.42 | Mikma | there |
| 22:43.02 | hyperChipmunk | I just /script oUFDB.targettarget = oUF.defaults.targettarget |
| 22:44.33 | ckknight | well, I successfully (read: easily) converted DewdropLib to AceLibrary/AceLibraryBase and got it running fine in WoW |
| 22:44.46 | haste | hyperChipmunk, I know, but it's branched for a reason |
| 22:45.09 | Mikma | but aren't you glad you got whining players to test it huh? :D |
| 22:45.31 | haste | :p |
| 22:45.45 | haste | I get no errors with your config on my rogue :< |
| 22:45.47 | Mikma | we whine 'cos we love you :P |
| 22:47.54 | Mikma | well, i did set the scale on player, target, tot. |
| 22:48.04 | Mikma | also i did move player, target, tot, party1 and party2 |
| 22:50.19 | Mikma | ok, now after another relog the error is gone |
| 22:50.29 | Mikma | i'll test it, again with the way i explained |
| 22:50.41 | haste | I weren't able to re-create it at least. |
| 22:51.38 | Mikma | well seems like there's some addons enabled on the other server |
| 22:52.05 | haste | it shouldn't matter tho' |
| 22:52.28 | Mikma | now the error is not there |
| 22:52.53 | Mikma | all frames work fine etc |
| 22:58.15 | Ratbert_CP | Are the BG really worth all the belly aching the morons on the UI forums are doing? Are they really so fun that AFK disconnects are that painful (but not quite fun enough to warrant actually waiting for the queue)? |
| 22:58.46 | ckknight | they are fun. |
| 22:58.50 | haste | *confused* |
| 22:59.00 | ckknight | but you gotta be Horde |
| 22:59.01 | hyperChipmunk | Ratbert_CP: that didn't make any sense |
| 23:01.58 | Ratbert_CP | Sorry, just read a thread on the US UI forums, and it's 98% bitching about the fact that WoW will disconnect you if you're AFK for too long. Specifically, they bitch about getting d/c'ed while waiting for a Battleground queue. |
| 23:02.27 | Ratbert_CP | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=392256&p=1&tmp=1#post392256 |
| 23:02.28 | ckknight | yea, that's true |
| 23:04.16 | haste | am I evil? I've corpse camped a warlock for 10min now |
| 23:04.30 | haste | (he started it by attacking me while I was playing with a mob) |
| 23:04.34 | Ratbert_CP | Probably... Any extenuating circumstances? |
| 23:04.50 | Tain | That's why I don't play on PVP servers. |
| 23:05.00 | Ratbert_CP | Maybe Not Nice, but I don't know if I could classify you as "Evil" per se... |
| 23:05.05 | haste | I wouldn't have touched him if he hadn't started it :< |
| 23:05.28 | Tain | See I view attacking someone while they are fighting something else as half the point of a pvp server. |
| 23:05.49 | Tain | You have to be aware of the environment and other players at all times. |
| 23:06.14 | haste | the score so far is: me 6 him 0 |
| 23:06.18 | Tain | Corpse camping for any reason is just... well I don't see any excuse. |
| 23:06.23 | hyperChipmunk | oh Ratbert_CP: that's a pain in the rear |
| 23:06.53 | Tain | But, that's just me, and one of the reasons I don't play on pvp. |
| 23:07.01 | hyperChipmunk | when you're doing pvp and going for high ranks, you like to take a nap between queues |
| 23:07.28 | Ratbert_CP | Then re-queue when you wake up. :) |
| 23:07.54 | hyperChipmunk | yea, my team loves that |
| 23:08.22 | Ratbert_CP | That's like putting a mannequin in line for tickets to <insert highly-anticipated event of your choosing>, and wondering why anyone would get upset. |
| 23:08.32 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r2706 10Metrognome/Lib/MetrognomeLib.lua: MetrognomeLib - Fixed case where timers registered in older version would not pass the arg to the timer's function after new library version was installed (Caused that SEKeys error) |
| 23:08.53 | hyperChipmunk | no |
| 23:09.03 | hyperChipmunk | you queue up, you go take a nap with intent to play in the game |
| 23:09.23 | hyperChipmunk | you get logged out while waiting |
| 23:09.26 | Ratbert_CP | Right. |
| 23:09.41 | hyperChipmunk | that's a pain in the neck |
| 23:09.49 | Ratbert_CP | yeah. |
| 23:09.56 | Ratbert_CP | get some tylenol. :) |
| 23:09.59 | hyperChipmunk | you can't miss games at rank 12+ |
| 23:10.21 | Ratbert_CP | yeah you can. nobody holds a gun to your dogs head... |
| 23:10.36 | hyperChipmunk | well, not if you have any aspirations to progress |
| 23:10.40 | Ratbert_CP | If you really, *really* want it, you'll stay awake. |
| 23:11.04 | hyperChipmunk | heh |
| 23:11.15 | hyperChipmunk | it's a self-contradicting situation |
| 23:11.20 | Ratbert_CP | And there's nothing wrong with my analogy. You place the mannequin in line with the intent of purchasing a tacket. |
| 23:11.30 | Ratbert_CP | ticket, even. |
| 23:11.41 | hyperChipmunk | if you want it, you have to make yourself unhealthy from lack of sleep |
| 23:11.47 | hyperChipmunk | there's nobody that questions that |
| 23:12.05 | Ratbert_CP | Sounds like WoW can wreck your health... ;) |
| 23:12.13 | hyperChipmunk | pvp will |
| 23:12.15 | *** part/#wowace wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 23:12.16 | Ratbert_CP | :) |
| 23:12.19 | kergoth | Industrial: my god, vimdiff mode kicks a massive amount of ass. i had no idea |
| 23:12.28 | hyperChipmunk | kergoth: omg |
| 23:12.45 | ckknight | hrm, found an issue with my new upgrading scheme, I need to prevent some fields from being deep replaced |
| 23:12.59 | ckknight | e.g. .class and .super should be raw replaces instead of deep replaces |
| 23:13.03 | hyperChipmunk | gvimdiff is one of the best editing tools ever created |
| 23:13.14 | kergoth | hyperChipmunk, heh, i work with patches, patchsets, diff a good percentage of every single day. finding a tool that godly is cause for celebration :) |
| 23:13.26 | kergoth | i remember when i discovered quilt |
| 23:13.39 | ckknight | kergoth, any opinions? |
| 23:13.41 | kergoth | if you havent used it, you must check it out. its amazing |
| 23:13.46 | Ratbert_CP | Oh well, gotta run... |
| 23:13.49 | hyperChipmunk | I just can't believe you've never used it |
| 23:13.51 | ckknight | cya |
| 23:14.03 | hyperChipmunk | :diffget ftw |
| 23:14.06 | kergoth | hyperChipmunk, i did, but only accidentally and stuff. i never got around to learning -how- to use it |
| 23:14.09 | *** part/#wowace Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@adsl-71-147-10-6.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:14.15 | kergoth | the do and dp normal mode commands are my new best friends |
| 23:14.21 | kergoth | ckknight, hmm |
| 23:14.43 | kergoth | ckknight, almost tempted to say we should implement true interfaces, so we'd have a whitelist the way we do in mixin :P |
| 23:14.55 | kergoth | ~emulate kergoth |
| 23:14.59 | purl | ACTION hacks on OZ, OE, bitbake, and other projects. |
| 23:15.14 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 23:15.14 | purl | thanks, kergoth |
| 23:15.35 | *** join/#wowace Tek (n=Tekk@ip70-178-135-244.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 23:16.53 | ckknight | kergoth, I dont see a need |
| 23:17.19 | ckknight | kergoth, frankly, I'd see it complicate things more than it is now |
| 23:17.42 | ckknight | and that doesnt help my current situation :-P |
| 23:18.28 | ckknight | I could have a special .protected table that had protected tables inside it |
| 23:18.37 | ckknight | or something |
| 23:19.03 | Tek | hehe... best patch notes evar! .... |
| 23:19.10 | ckknight | ? |
| 23:19.12 | Tek | 6.45-6.46 -- |
| 23:19.12 | Tek | - Added more prices. |
| 23:19.12 | Tek | - Became incredibly lazy / busy with other things and didn't bother updating the mod. |
| 23:19.12 | Tek | - Found a shiny penny on the ground. |
| 23:19.12 | Tek | - Fixed the spelling of 'shiny' in the above line. |
| 23:19.24 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:19.35 | Mikma | hmm upgrades |
| 23:19.59 | kergoth | ckknight: and if .protected was publically accessible, its a part of the interface, whether its a method or not. if it isnt, its not. |
| 23:20.10 | kergoth | ckknight: but yes, it would make things more complex, which is why i said i'm only tempted :P |
| 23:20.23 | Tek | ammo, jew awake? |
| 23:22.51 | Mikma | haste: btw is it possible to put the buffs and debuffs on right side of the UF's? |
| 23:25.16 | hyperChipmunk | change the code |
| 23:25.19 | hyperChipmunk | anchor them to the right |
| 23:25.27 | Mikma | so yes there is :) |
| 23:32.25 | Mikma | hmm O_o |
| 23:32.44 | Mikma | FuBar.lua:14: attempt to index global 'Metrognome' (a nil value) |
| 23:32.59 | Mikma | maybe i forgot to update something |
| 23:35.20 | kergoth | i need a name for my minimal assist logic addon. microassist? i suck at names |
| 23:35.34 | Mikma | miniass |
| 23:35.37 | Tek | Assister |
| 23:35.46 | kergoth | hahah, miniass |
| 23:35.53 | kergoth | better than fatass |
| 23:35.54 | Tek | AssMan |
| 23:35.59 | Tek | (Assist Manager) |
| 23:36.06 | kergoth | thatd be a good one, get a seinfeld reference in, even |
| 23:36.11 | Mikma | Lo' Miniass |
| 23:36.29 | Tek | SmartAss |
| 23:36.56 | Mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR8-718ecuQ&feature=Views&page=1&t=w&f=b |
| 23:37.05 | Mikma | rather funny box from nintendo to penny arcade |
| 23:37.21 | kergoth | somehow i doubt the wowi folks would like all these ass references |
| 23:39.33 | Mikma | yeah, can't get FuBar to work :P just have to wait for update then |
| 23:40.13 | ckknight | Mikma, ... |
| 23:40.15 | Tek | how bout just Sass then |
| 23:40.28 | Mikma | sars |
| 23:40.36 | Mikma | ckknight: hi |
| 23:40.50 | ckknight | Mikma, did you restart WoW? |
| 23:40.58 | Mikma | yeah, several times |
| 23:41.00 | Tek | Assist.. ass... lube! |
| 23:41.16 | Mikma | well all i did was update the Metrognome from FuBar/Metrognome .. |
| 23:41.25 | ckknight | okay |
| 23:41.29 | Tek | is metro throwing an error? |
| 23:41.37 | Mikma | (with the version tek submitted moments ago) |
| 23:41.43 | Tek | I just fixed somethin there.. or at least it should have fixed it... |
| 23:42.09 | Mikma | well don't trust on my tests, you should try it out with oUF2 and FuBar |
| 23:42.23 | Mikma | and yes, i updated the oUF2's Metrognome too ;) |
| 23:43.21 | Tek | you only need to update one :) |
| 23:43.41 | Mikma | i'll try again with oUF2 update |
| 23:44.23 | Tek | let me know if metro's throwing an error... I only changed one line :P |
| 23:45.23 | ckknight | well, I figured out how to get by the problem through hardcoding in .class and .super |
| 23:45.29 | ckknight | but that's a pretty big hack |
| 23:45.42 | Galka | Whats up fellas! |
| 23:45.51 | Mikma | well earlier when i used the svn version of FuBar and took oUF2 haste submitted i got the SEEmbedKeys error |
| 23:46.13 | Galka | The dreaded SEEmbedKeys error :o |
| 23:46.28 | Mikma | now i'll try putting the svn FuBar back and updating ouf2 metrognome |
| 23:46.48 | Galka | ouf2? |
| 23:47.06 | ckknight | hey Galka |
| 23:48.23 | Mikma | yesh! error is gone. so haste has to update his library :) |
| 23:50.02 | CIA-17 | 03kergoth * r2707 10MicroAssist/: Create dir in svn for my assist addon, the name will change, this is just for development. |
| 23:51.03 | ckknight | hrm, kergoth, do you think there could be any way to tell an external entity (like a class), and one that the lib defined itself? |
| 23:51.14 | Galka | Does the DuctTape addon still work or did Blizzard implement something akin to it in recent versions? I haven't noticed anything when I tested it out. |
| 23:52.06 | haste | Mikma, uhm, it updates through the SVN |
| 23:52.35 | haste | anyway, sleepytime ;) |
| 23:52.42 | Mikma | haste: then you got nothing to worry ;) |
| 23:54.53 | CIA-17 | 03kergoth * r2708 10MicroAssist/ (Bindings.xml MicroAssist.toc README.TXT): Initial structure. |
| 23:55.09 | ckknight | basically, is there some way to tell the difference between a table created in one library from one created in another? |
| 23:55.17 | ckknight | that seems horribly complicated |
| 23:55.24 | kergoth | not that i'm aware of. |
| 23:55.38 | ckknight | thought not |
| 23:55.50 | kergoth | does http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/MicroAssist/README.TXT look sane? |
| 23:56.40 | ckknight | complicated, kergoth |
| 23:56.46 | ckknight | but I guess it makes sense |
| 23:57.23 | ckknight | the only way I can tell to prevent the is to not traverse any classes, but I don't want AceLibrary to have an intimate connection to AceOO |
| 23:58.06 | kergoth | Tek? opinion on the readme? :) |
| 23:58.16 | Tek | I don't readthem |
| 23:58.17 | hyperChipmunk | seems fine |
| 23:58.20 | kergoth | ckknight, yeah, i dunno how best to handle it. hmmm |
| 23:58.35 | Tek | *reads* |
| 23:59.24 | ckknight | the issue occurs when you register a class with AceLibrary |
| 23:59.43 | ckknight | then create a new class with a different superclass and register it as a new version |
| 23:59.48 | kergoth | yeah, i see the problem. we obviously dont want to hardcode a blacklist or have special behavior for classes |
| 23:59.55 | Tek | seems fine, less talk more codey codey |
| 23:59.58 | Mikma | well, seems like Simple CombatLog is pretty nice too |
