| 00:00.05 | Xuerian | That would be great =D |
| 00:00.36 | Xuerian | Not that I don't like automatic headers, it works great for anything that doesn't have headers written in, but it makes it a pain to purtyfy your addon's menu if you want to =( |
| 00:00.36 | ckknight | lemme see if I can :-P |
| 00:01.19 | Xuerian | Or you could set the "arrow" icon to a red icon, or green icon, or something? |
| 00:01.39 | ckknight | arrow? |
| 00:01.46 | ckknight | oh |
| 00:01.49 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:01.49 | ckknight | possible. |
| 00:01.54 | Xuerian | usually submenu rows have the > arrow on the right. Just another idea :) |
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| 00:02.17 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:02.22 | ckknight | lemme see if I can do that |
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| 00:06.09 | vhaarr | ckknight: Somehow, the option table that |local function findTableLevel(self, options, chat, text, index, passTable)| returns has a .get set to a function reference. But the option table had get == false before entering that function. |
| 00:06.20 | vhaarr | I don't understand wth is going on there. |
| 00:06.33 | ckknight | make a testcase that I can play with |
| 00:08.16 | ckknight | okay, how would I turn the arrow green? |
| 00:08.31 | ckknight | is there a green arrow somewhere in the game? |
| 00:08.45 | Mikk | i can fix |
| 00:08.57 | Mikk | what's the arrow you need changed? |
| 00:09.05 | Xuerian | Can you SetVertexColor it? |
| 00:09.07 | ckknight | in dewdrop, when a submenu is opened. |
| 00:09.16 | vhaarr | ckknight: I'd rather the background stayed highlighted instead of the arrow changing color. |
| 00:09.16 | Xuerian | SetVertexColor(.2, 1, .2)? |
| 00:09.27 | Mikk | only works if the original is whiteish |
| 00:09.29 | Mikk | or yellow |
| 00:09.33 | Mikk | or cyan |
| 00:09.37 | Xuerian | Orig is yellow. |
| 00:09.38 | ckknight | vhaarr, that is so ungodly hard to do |
| 00:09.47 | vhaarr | ah |
| 00:09.59 | vhaarr | Green will look bad. |
| 00:10.02 | vhaarr | Don't do green. |
| 00:10.16 | ckknight | green doesn't look horrible |
| 00:10.32 | vhaarr | Yellow + Green? Come on :D |
| 00:10.41 | vhaarr | Wait, I'll call my gay uncle and ask. |
| 00:10.47 | vhaarr | He confirms. |
| 00:10.49 | Tain | Yellow and blue make green. |
| 00:11.13 | ckknight | those gays do know their colors |
| 00:12.27 | vhaarr | well maybe it's not so bad, I guess it depends on how green the green arrow is |
| 00:12.40 | ckknight | or red... |
| 00:12.46 | ckknight | that looks better than green |
| 00:12.47 | Xuerian | Red works fine. |
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| 00:14.07 | vhaarr | ckknight: But this means you'll have to bundle a tga with Dewdrop? |
| 00:14.13 | ckknight | no, vhaarr |
| 00:14.20 | ckknight | yellow = green + red |
| 00:14.20 | vhaarr | okay then |
| 00:14.27 | ckknight | so by stripping the green, you get red |
| 00:14.49 | ckknight | how's this: |
| 00:14.56 | ckknight | turns it red, and makes it grow in size by 50% |
| 00:15.45 | vhaarr | I think we need to try it out. |
| 00:16.01 | ckknight | okay, hang on |
| 00:16.05 | vhaarr | Providing it doesn't shift the menu items positions. |
| 00:16.20 | ckknight | it doesn't |
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| 00:22.17 | Xuerian | ckknight: .... Did you commit without updating first? >_> |
| 00:22.25 | ckknight | um, why? |
| 00:22.38 | Xuerian | icon changes all gone :P |
| 00:23.00 | ckknight | how odd |
| 00:23.03 | ckknight | lemme see |
| 00:23.24 | vhaarr | I thought SVN disallowed commits if your version was not up to date. |
| 00:23.25 | ckknight | I committed, it yelled at me |
| 00:23.29 | ckknight | I updated, and it said it merged |
| 00:23.54 | Xuerian | -.- |
| 00:24.20 | Xuerian | I'll re-add it when you're done -.- |
| 00:24.57 | ckknight | it wasn't my change. |
| 00:25.00 | ckknight | I just ran a diff |
| 00:25.18 | vhaarr | ckknight: Okay, so here: http://pastebin.ca/205710 is a tinypad/whatever paste thing that does .. NOT produce the message/current things. For some reason. |
| 00:25.56 | Xuerian | Updating to head revision yeilds a version with headers and without icons, reverting to my last commit has the icon changes. I ran a diff too between yours and mine, and it didn't show anything either... Could it have been something I did? |
| 00:26.00 | vhaarr | I'll try to copy my entire AceOptions table |
| 00:26.22 | tekkub | I'm SO Deucing this: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-5534-1-roarsounds.html |
| 00:26.55 | Xuerian | oo. neat. |
| 00:27.09 | ckknight | Xuerian, *shrug* |
| 00:27.54 | mjc | boo |
| 00:27.58 | Xuerian | ckknight: Well, I'll snip through it all with a diff up and re-insert the changes myself, when you're done with your changes. Confused, but no worries. (Unless it's working for someone else, in that case I'll stab my computer till it works) |
| 00:28.19 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r14135 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: Dewdrop - commented out implicit headers, now arrows turn red and get bigger. |
| 00:28.22 | ckknight | hey, mjc |
| 00:28.25 | mjc | it'd be nice to have a mod that'd integrate with bonusscanner and whatnot and display what kind of upgrade you'd get out of items |
| 00:28.27 | ckknight | okay, test that. |
| 00:28.52 | mjc | or even one that'd let you mark combat logs like transcriptor and show you the difference in dps |
| 00:29.04 | mjc | something like pvp.net.tf |
| 00:29.36 | Xuerian | Ooh, that works |
| 00:30.55 | ckknight | okay, I'm gonna go eat something |
| 00:31.17 | vhaarr | I think turning it red is enough |
| 00:31.19 | Xuerian | Enjoy :P |
| 00:33.24 | Xuerian | That's weird, it shows in a unified diff.... Oh well. Readding o_0 |
| 00:34.38 | CIA-17 | 03bordeaux * r14136 10BananaBar2/Images/: |
| 00:34.38 | CIA-17 | BananaBar2: |
| 00:34.38 | CIA-17 | - no changes, i think svn is just kidding me |
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| 00:39.37 | cladhaire | Its SOOO weird being able to set a focus unit on someone randomly running by you. |
| 00:39.43 | cladhaire | and you can stalk them =) |
| 00:40.20 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | :-) |
| 00:40.25 | Tain | Hooray stalkers! |
| 00:41.08 | pastamancer | if only there was a way to tell if someone had their focus set on you |
| 00:41.40 | mjc | focus unit? |
| 00:41.41 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | realstalkers combine this with raid symbols and huntersmark |
| 00:41.51 | mjc | oh how will SCT be affected by 2.0.0 |
| 00:42.02 | mjc | thoguht about that today |
| 00:42.16 | Mikk | vhaarr: your confusion about colors is because of subtractive vs additive colors. computer graphics use additive colors -- the more you add, the brighter it becomes. painting on a white paper is subtractive -- the more you add, the darker it becomes. |
| 00:43.40 | cladhaire | mjc: It shouldn't be affected at all really |
| 00:43.44 | cladhaire | it'll be easier to do somer of it even |
| 00:44.11 | kergoth | mjc: there are addons for that |
| 00:44.15 | kergoth | mjc: the comparison using bonusscanner, i mean |
| 00:44.19 | mjc | kergoth: ah |
| 00:44.28 | mjc | kergoth: cool. names? or should I hunt |
| 00:44.33 | vhaarr | Mikk: other things affect it as well, like lack of coffee and sleep :P |
| 00:44.48 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 00:45.09 | Mikk | aye, too much blood in the caffeine stream does horrible things to your mind :< |
| 00:45.14 | kergoth | mjc: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5188 |
| 00:45.23 | mjc | thanks! |
| 00:45.32 | kergoth | np |
| 00:45.53 | cladhaire | lol a GM is chatting in /1 on hellfire |
| 00:46.11 | Xuerian | ck's changes also overwrote kergoth's changes o_0 |
| 00:48.33 | mjc | cladhaire: is it a GM? or is it someone being creative |
| 00:48.54 | Tem | what zone are you in clad? |
| 00:48.56 | Tem | I wanna see |
| 00:49.06 | cladhaire | mjc: Its Averinn.. teh world event CM |
| 00:49.07 | Mikk | mjc: It gets kinda obvious when it says [GM] in front of their names |
| 00:49.10 | cladhaire | Tem: I'm in silvermoon city |
| 00:49.13 | mjc | aha. |
| 00:49.29 | Tem | I still haven't seen silvermoon |
| 00:49.33 | mjc | Mikk: people tend to mess with chat stuff to try and futz with things |
| 00:49.39 | mjc | s/things/people/ |
| 00:49.59 | Mikk | Aaaargh stupid blizzard |
| 00:49.59 | cladhaire | you can't friend GM's anymore =( |
| 00:50.12 | Mikk | They fucked my account over. They think it's gone prepaid :< |
| 00:50.13 | mjc | aw. |
| 00:50.38 | mjc | Mikk: they banned my first account and are going to take a month or two to "review" it |
| 00:50.43 | ckknight | back |
| 00:51.17 | Xuerian | Welcome back :p |
| 00:51.22 | Xuerian | Food good? |
| 00:51.37 | mjc | hum. |
| 00:52.20 | mjc | svkco.py is exiting early for some reason. |
| 00:52.43 | ckknight | Xuerian, packed with all kinds of chemicals |
| 00:52.54 | ckknight | the girl who gave it to me put like 3x as much as last time |
| 00:54.30 | Xuerian | haha, what did you get? |
| 00:55.05 | ckknight | a smoothie w/ Creatine and such |
| 00:55.12 | mjc | ew |
| 00:55.21 | ckknight | why ew? |
| 00:55.26 | Xuerian | Creatine? o_0 |
| 00:56.54 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:57.01 | mjc | yeah, ew. |
| 00:57.12 | ckknight | what's wrong? |
| 00:57.31 | Xuerian | ~wtf Creatine |
| 00:57.43 | Xuerian | Even purl doesn't know what it means XD |
| 00:57.45 | kergoth | creatine isnt very useful unless you're about to weight lift |
| 00:57.45 | Mikk | pfew. just re-entering my card details worked. |
| 00:57.49 | kergoth | afaik |
| 00:57.50 | Mikk | i exist again =) |
| 00:57.59 | mjc | it's also dangerous :P |
| 00:58.02 | kergoth | grats on existance |
| 00:58.08 | kergoth | dangerous? |
| 00:58.15 | ckknight | I'll weightlift later today :-P |
| 00:58.23 | ckknight | it's not dangerous. |
| 01:00.06 | Mikk | There's anecdotal evidence suggesting muscle cramping but no studies have been able to back that up. |
| 01:00.11 | mjc | there've been studies that it's bad for your heart, among other things |
| 01:00.20 | Mikk | o? |
| 01:00.48 | ckknight | that's steroids |
| 01:00.50 | ckknight | not creatine. |
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| 01:01.09 | Mikk | http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatine |
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| 01:01.14 | Mikk | speaking of weight lifting... |
| 01:02.04 | Azurewrath | ckknight: eew... red is ugly ;p |
| 01:02.16 | ckknight | have a better idea? |
| 01:03.59 | Azurewrath | dunno yet... maybe a dark green |
| 01:04.18 | Azurewrath | let me play around a bit... sec :) |
| 01:04.19 | ckknight | maybe it'd work without the color change |
| 01:04.22 | ckknight | just the size change |
| 01:04.24 | ckknight | maybe... |
| 01:04.53 | ckknight | A study done at the University of Memphis showed no reports of muscle cramping in subjects taking creatine-containing supplements during various exercise training conditions in trained and untrained endurance athletes (Kreider R. et al, 1998). |
| 01:05.56 | mjc | yeah, the wikipedia article was inconclusive. |
| 01:07.29 | ckknight | how is that inconclusive? |
| 01:08.20 | Harem | wasn't the result they were looking for, hence, they will study it until the opposite is shown |
| 01:08.25 | mjc | I mean, as to pointing to the study I was looking for. |
| 01:08.40 | mjc | and I'm too lazy to google further. I'll ask my doctor friend about it later |
| 01:08.46 | ckknight | okay |
| 01:09.00 | ckknight | here's something relating to fat people: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/15/nweight15.xml |
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| 01:12.48 | Azurewrath | ckknight: played around a bit with a screenshot.. i found a dark green to fit best.. and color OR size change.. both is a bit overkill in means of design imho |
| 01:13.42 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:13.42 | Azurewrath | something like #336633 or #339933 maybe |
| 01:14.44 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r14137 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: Dewdrop - changed hovered arrow color to dark green |
| 01:16.27 | Azurewrath | mhm.. more eye-friendly now :) |
| 01:17.40 | Xuerian | I'm amazed no one suggested green before ;D |
| 01:28.29 | Mikk | ~seen Thrae |
| 01:28.47 | purl | thrae is currently on #wowi-lounge (9d 10h 10m 30s) #wowace (9d 10h 10m 30s), last said: 'Well this was my first post with the new forums, heh.'. |
| 01:28.55 | mjc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.01 | Mikk | gifv Thrae back :< |
| 01:29.05 | mjc | looks like I made a booboo on my local repo. |
| 01:29.06 | mjc | haha |
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| 01:32.12 | Ziegler | odd problem of the day.. bigwigs is complaining it can't find an instance of Tablet-2.0? This a known issue or my stuff decide to break on me? |
| 01:33.12 | mjc | hum, are you using standalone libraries? |
| 01:33.15 | Ziegler | nope |
| 01:33.36 | mjc | check your bigwigs/libs dir |
| 01:34.13 | Ziegler | hmm |
| 01:34.17 | Ziegler | actually there's no Tablet in it |
| 01:35.33 | Ziegler | oh, not my screwup? |
| 01:35.49 | mjc | kergoth: is it just me or is there a reason why it seems nonintuitive to revert to a certain revision in svk :p |
| 01:35.59 | Ziegler | does this have to do with the last update being by fenlis? :D |
| 01:36.48 | kergoth | mjc: its no different than svn in that regard |
| 01:37.06 | kergoth | cd foo/bar; svk merge -r[newrev]:[oldrev] //foo/bar |
| 01:37.11 | kergoth | svk ci -m"Reverted |
| 01:37.12 | kergoth | " |
| 01:37.27 | mjc | hum |
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| 01:38.22 | mjc | yay for counterintuitivity |
| 01:38.56 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TBC * r14138 10Ace2/Ace2/AceLocale-2.2/ (. AceLocale-2.2.lua): |
| 01:38.56 | CIA-17 | AceLocale-2.2 - initial import. Not much different from AceLocale-2.0, some old cruft removed. |
| 01:38.56 | CIA-17 | major changes: |
| 01:38.56 | CIA-17 | __call no longer works, use __index instead. |
| 01:38.56 | CIA-17 | no internal multi-tiered capabilities. use L["alpha"]["bravo"] instead. |
| 01:38.57 | CIA-17 | :GetTable(...) and :GetTableStrict(...) no longer available. Use __index. |
| 01:39.42 | ckknight | do not ship addons with AceLocale-2.2. It's not done and not officially supported |
| 01:40.42 | mjc | kergoth: it hates me. |
| 01:41.05 | mjc | there we go |
| 01:41.09 | mjc | you can't use "HEAD" |
| 01:42.17 | CIA-17 | 03xuerian * r14139 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: Dewdrop-2.0: Fixed revision panic. |
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| 01:42.41 | ckknight | hey Kaelten |
| 01:42.50 | Xuerian | I -have- to figure out how to hop-merge revisions >_< |
| 01:42.59 | Ziegler | is there a way for your average moron like myself to mark a version of a mod in the files tree as 'bad'? |
| 01:43.05 | Ziegler | current bigwigs zip is no good |
| 01:43.12 | Kaelten | ello |
| 01:43.16 | Ziegler | but 1 version old is ok |
| 01:43.58 | Ziegler | tablet didn't get included in the libs for it |
| 01:53.43 | kergoth | "Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite." |
| 01:55.10 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 01:55.42 | Mikk | Ziegler: better to just push out a new one that's fixed |
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| 02:06.34 | Kalamadi | D: |
| 02:06.52 | Kalamadi | How come Xuerian is always committing crimes when I drop in? |
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| 02:11.55 | CIA-17 | 03xuerian * r14140 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: Dewdrop-2.0: Fixed validation of only one of iconHeight or iconWidth causing errors. |
| 02:15.20 | Xuerian | Hi to you too, Kalamadi :P |
| 02:23.39 | *** mode/#wowace [+o clad|sleep] by ChanServ |
| 02:33.50 | Clashen | is it possible to sort after name in AceUpdater? |
| 02:37.28 | Clashen | nevermind |
| 02:58.23 | Xuerian | Oooh, what's up nexT? |
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| 03:00.52 | mjc | newegg needs to rot |
| 03:01.11 | Xuerian | What'd they do? |
| 03:01.21 | mjc | not process my order yet |
| 03:01.29 | mjc | even though I paid $3 more for "rush" |
| 03:01.57 | Xuerian | How long has it been? |
| 03:02.14 | mjc | 3 days |
| 03:02.32 | mjc | should've done it first thing this morning |
| 03:02.40 | mjc | if I paid extra |
| 03:03.14 | ruinna | so is the Trac site preferred for issue tracking these days? or do ppl still mostly read wowi bug lists? |
| 03:03.52 | mjc | ruinna: fuck bug trackers. just fix it yourself |
| 03:03.53 | Xuerian | ruinna: Depends on the author. |
| 03:04.02 | ruinna | mjc: lol |
| 03:04.03 | Xuerian | What addon? |
| 03:04.12 | mjc | Xuerian: why, xloot, of course! |
| 03:04.17 | ruinna | Xuerian: libraries.. Dew, Tab.. Ace? :) |
| 03:04.18 | Xuerian | ~lart mjc |
| 03:04.26 | mjc | ~lart Xuerian |
| 03:04.33 | mjc | Oooer. |
| 03:04.37 | mjc | totally owns the solaris CD |
| 03:04.44 | Xuerian | Aiee! I've had my chicken beaten! |
| 03:04.55 | Xuerian | s/beaten/choked/ |
| 03:04.56 | mjc | ~lart newegg |
| 03:05.04 | mjc | blah |
| 03:05.07 | mjc | ~lart newegg |
| 03:05.09 | Xuerian | :P |
| 03:05.12 | mjc | BAH |
| 03:05.16 | mjc | purl: fuck you |
| 03:05.24 | purl | I have a headache |
| 03:05.24 | mjc | ~lart newegg |
| 03:05.33 | mjc | there we go. |
| 03:05.51 | gnorlish | 3 days and order isn't even processed? |
| 03:05.54 | Xuerian | ruinna: I was mutilating dew recently, what's the problem? |
| 03:05.57 | mjc | gnorlish: yeah. |
| 03:06.08 | mjc | \o\ /o/ \o\ \o/ |
| 03:06.20 | gnorlish | did you pay with easter island rocks as your money? |
| 03:06.29 | mjc | nope. |
| 03:06.29 | ruinna | Xuerian: its "set" semantics are weird.. but this may be due to api design, so i'm just dealing |
| 03:06.53 | gnorlish | i don't think i've ever had to even wait 3 days to get anything from newegg! |
| 03:07.01 | ruinna | Xuerian: details; sliders do an implicit "set" on display |
| 03:07.10 | mjc | I canceled it and am re-adding |
| 03:07.19 | ruinna | this is undoc'ed and a bit confusing if you're not expecting it |
| 03:07.21 | Xuerian | well ckknight would be your go-to guy on all those things, but he ain't around, and that's beyond the scope of what I did :p |
| 03:07.34 | gnorlish | i'm in cali now though instead of ny |
| 03:07.43 | gnorlish | i sometimes get things from them same day |
| 03:07.45 | Xuerian | fuck ati. |
| 03:07.57 | mjc | Xuerian: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130051 is so cheap though and a nice board to boot :P |
| 03:07.57 | Xuerian | ~whaleslap mjc |
| 03:07.59 | purl | ACTION beats mjc upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 03:07.59 | Azurewrath | omfg... i get to many whispers.. my HeyFu savedvar is 527kb... |
| 03:08.01 | Xuerian | Never consider ati. |
| 03:08.04 | mjc | my radeon at the moment sucks ass |
| 03:08.14 | gnorlish | i'm with xuerian |
| 03:08.16 | Xuerian | lol Azurewrath. |
| 03:08.31 | gnorlish | i put my brother's computer together back when the ati 9600 was the best value |
| 03:08.37 | gnorlish | and their drivers have always sucked |
| 03:08.39 | Xuerian | mjc: Ati cards might be half decent. Their drivers blow so many chunks you need a hazmat suit |
| 03:08.45 | ruinna | Xuerian: also, would like to see some dewdrop functionality pushed into tablet.. simple sliders, color swatches,.. perhaps there's already a simple way to use dewdrop for FuBar plug tooltips i'm unaware of? |
| 03:08.46 | mjc | Xuerian: tis true |
| 03:08.53 | mjc | and their linux drivers suck too |
| 03:08.58 | mjc | ok, now to pick a decent SLI board |
| 03:10.20 | Azurewrath | mjc: Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe :) |
| 03:10.43 | mjc | newegg link please :P |
| 03:11.09 | Azurewrath | http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=101&l3=0&model=1163&modelmenu=1 |
| 03:11.21 | Azurewrath | http://usa.asus.com/100/images/products/1163/1163_l.jpg <3 |
| 03:11.23 | mjc | was considering http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025 but I don't really want wifi on my board |
| 03:11.47 | Azurewrath | just disable the wlan crap ;p |
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| 03:11.54 | mjc | not on newegg |
| 03:12.13 | Xuerian | ~lart Xuerian's dialup |
| 03:12.20 | Xuerian | not even worth that. |
| 03:12.39 | Xuerian | Anyhow, after missing the last four minutes: ruinna, isn't there a way to hook the mouseover function of your fbplugin? |
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| 03:13.15 | mjc | oh it is, it's just AMD. |
| 03:13.19 | mjc | hum |
| 03:13.27 | ruinna | mmm, but the fundamental design of tablet "lines" and dewdrop "lines" is incompatible |
| 03:13.40 | mjc | ruinna: talk to ckk |
| 03:13.55 | mjc | I kinda want something I can flash with intel's EFI |
| 03:13.55 | ruinna | tablet goes for column layout support, where dewdrop is meant for sub-menues |
| 03:14.47 | mjc | Xuerian: oh, the other reason I wanted ATI is full osx86 support :p |
| 03:14.50 | Xuerian | mjc: Get a intel board with nvidia cards. With the latest line of intel procs my inner amd fanboy has been murdered horrifically... But nvidia is still going strong :P |
| 03:14.52 | ruinna | mjc: i rather like polluting the ace dev channel with frivolity ;) |
| 03:15.12 | That1Swede | Hmmm.. |
| 03:15.17 | mjc | ruinna: it's not frivolous |
| 03:15.26 | mjc | Xuerian: I've had experiences with all of it |
| 03:15.52 | mjc | I just can't afford a mac pro so I was kinda shooting for a cheap version of the same thing so I could chuck osx on it nayways, since I own it w/ my powerbook |
| 03:15.55 | Azurewrath | the new amd and intel cpu's are both good.. no easy decision :) |
| 03:16.07 | mjc | and since nvidia on hackintosh is so so |
| 03:16.21 | Xuerian | mjc: Is osx going to be your primary os? |
| 03:16.26 | mjc | yeah. |
| 03:16.40 | Xuerian | Isn't osx's support for intel better than the windows/linux implimentations? |
| 03:16.46 | Xuerian | s/intel/ati/ |
| 03:16.50 | mjc | Xuerian: yes |
| 03:16.57 | Xuerian | Then go for ati? |
| 03:17.05 | mjc | osx on hackintosh can't even load the nvidia drivers last I checked |
| 03:17.19 | Xuerian | That's retarded. |
| 03:17.36 | mjc | yep |
| 03:17.44 | Xuerian | Just like mac to be back-asswards. |
| 03:19.05 | mjc | ok, asus' server shit is totally useless, haha. just fyi |
| 03:21.29 | Azurewrath | for small servers i would go for Tyan or Intel :) |
| 03:21.48 | Azurewrath | speak of dual-processor machines with ecc ram. |
| 03:23.17 | mjc | I have a tiger k8w, I wasn't impressed with their support or rma process |
| 03:23.21 | mjc | among other things |
| 03:23.27 | mjc | nice boards though |
| 03:23.31 | mjc | if they work ,they work for years |
| 03:24.07 | Azurewrath | jup |
| 03:24.54 | mjc | in fact I'm replacing this K8W box right now because i've had so much trouble iwth it |
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| 03:25.15 | mjc | plus the R9800Pro in it is experiencing graphical corruption |
| 03:25.22 | mjc | but that's a recent issue |
| 03:25.31 | mjc | prevents me from raiding :( |
| 03:26.21 | mjc | hum the DFI board I'm looking at has toslink output for the onboard audio. neat. |
| 03:26.27 | mjc | not that that'd sell me. |
| 03:26.53 | mjc | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=13%2D136%2D168%2D02%2Ejpg%2C13%2D136%2D168%2D03%2Ejpg%2C13%2D136%2D168%2D04%2Ejpg%2C13%2D136%2D168%2D05%2Ejpg%2C13%2D136%2D168%2D06%2Ejpg&CurImage=13%2D136%2D168%2D03%2Ejpg&Description=DFI+INFINITY+975X+Socket+T+%28LGA+775%29+Intel+975X+ATX+Intel+Motherboard+%2D+Retail |
| 03:26.58 | mjc | ouch massive link |
| 03:27.02 | Azurewrath | i saw a machine with a Thunder K8QW last year or so.. that was a nice machine :) |
| 03:27.08 | Azurewrath | ftp://ftp.tyan.com/img_mobo/i_s4881.tif |
| 03:27.46 | mjc | Azurewrath: I'm not a fan of big machines I can't play games on :P |
| 03:27.53 | mjc | yeah it's a nice board |
| 03:28.53 | mjc | snagged a pair of S4985s w/ the M4985 CPU slots for our new DB boxes this morning |
| 03:28.54 | Azurewrath | imagine four dual-core opterons.. with 32gig of ram.. *drool* :) |
| 03:29.19 | That1Swede | Imagine me naked and greased with butter! |
| 03:29.27 | Xuerian | .... |
| 03:29.28 | mjc | four? blah. |
| 03:29.41 | mjc | the S4985 supports 8 :) |
| 03:29.45 | Azurewrath | That1Swede: errr.. no! :p |
| 03:29.55 | Azurewrath | mjc: mhmmmm.... gief! ;) |
| 03:30.00 | That1Swede | Azurewrath, do it! I dare ya! |
| 03:30.08 | mjc | http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thundern4250qe.html |
| 03:30.39 | Azurewrath | thats four cpu sockets for me |
| 03:30.52 | mjc | addon board. |
| 03:30.54 | mjc | M4985 |
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| 03:31.07 | Azurewrath | oh. |
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| 03:31.36 | mjc | plugs into the two slots between the 4P |
| 03:31.40 | Azurewrath | "Can i play Quake on that?" ;) |
| 03:31.48 | Azurewrath | jup, guessed that hehe |
| 03:31.48 | mjc | hah. |
| 03:31.51 | mjc | you could |
| 03:31.57 | mjc | I'd kill you |
| 03:32.08 | mjc | ours'll make nice db2 boxen |
| 03:32.14 | Azurewrath | how about Duke Nukem 3D? *runs* |
| 03:32.36 | That1Swede | Wolfenstein. |
| 03:32.46 | clad|sleep | Mikma: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full4109.jpg |
| 03:32.57 | Harem | Blakestone |
| 03:33.03 | Azurewrath | That1Swede: Stunts. Beat that. |
| 03:33.20 | Azurewrath | haha, Blake Stone was great :) |
| 03:33.20 | That1Swede | lol |
| 03:33.40 | mjc | clad|sleep: NICE |
| 03:33.48 | That1Swede | Uhm.. Gianna Sisters? |
| 03:34.07 | That1Swede | clad|sleep, that looks positivly wet. |
| 03:34.09 | clad|sleep | mjc: Thats a working BC version, if you need click-casting |
| 03:34.10 | clad|sleep | heh |
| 03:34.10 | Azurewrath | clad|sleep: looks sweet :) |
| 03:34.58 | clad|sleep | Thanks. |
| 03:35.07 | clad|sleep | i'm open to suggestions, especially on the custom window. |
| 03:35.48 | mjc | nice, falcon northwest sells c2d extremes clocked at 3.73GHz |
| 03:37.56 | mjc | Azurewrath: psdoom |
| 03:38.28 | Azurewrath | Wonderboy. Amiga 500. |
| 03:39.05 | That1Swede | I'll go with Sport of Kings, C64! ;P |
| 03:39.25 | mjc | blah. why do people pay $420 for an X1950XTX... |
| 03:39.43 | That1Swede | mjc, I was drunk, okay!? |
| 03:39.50 | mjc | haha |
| 03:40.27 | Azurewrath | That1Swede: Batman jump-and-run.. monochrome, C64.. on Datasette ;) |
| 03:40.47 | mjc | kinda neat to have a video card who's memory is clocked higher htan your old processor htough |
| 03:40.52 | mjc | you think Xuerian ? |
| 03:41.02 | Xuerian | haha, guess so. |
| 03:41.03 | That1Swede | What's datasette? ;P I only remember using the tape recorder thingy. |
| 03:41.13 | mjc | That1Swede: that's a datasette. |
| 03:41.16 | That1Swede | Aaah. |
| 03:41.19 | Azurewrath | That1Swede: thats the tape thingie. |
| 03:41.25 | mjc | Xuerian: Memory Clock: 2000MHz |
| 03:41.28 | That1Swede | Yeah, that thing rocked. |
| 03:41.29 | mjc | kinda disturbing |
| 03:41.37 | Xuerian | freaking hell |
| 03:41.47 | mjc | X1950XTX |
| 03:42.25 | Xuerian | anyway, yeah, how much does that thing cost? |
| 03:42.26 | Azurewrath | i'm still thinking about buying a X1900XT or XTX.. dropped in price... |
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| 03:42.34 | mjc | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161025 |
| 03:43.00 | Azurewrath | guess i'll wait for DX10 Cards, my X800 must be enough till then... |
| 03:43.20 | Xuerian | Damn that's cheap |
| 03:43.29 | mjc | haha cheap? |
| 03:43.40 | Xuerian | I had to say something :p |
| 03:44.03 | mjc | Azurewrath: I need something now or I'd do the same. almost considering getting like a 6800GT |
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| 03:45.43 | eternally777 | does Logout() require a hardware event? |
| 03:46.04 | Xuerian | Thought I read something about it requiring one now |
| 03:46.27 | That1Swede | Xuerian, any way of getting XLM to open an 'item link' window when an item is clicked on the monitor? |
| 03:46.40 | Xuerian | yea, that's on the list, That1Swede |
| 03:47.00 | That1Swede | Ah, coo'. |
| 03:47.04 | CIA-17 | 03hshh * r14141 10CooldownCount/ (CooldownCount.lua CooldownCount.toc Locale.lua): |
| 03:47.04 | CIA-17 | CooldownCount: |
| 03:47.04 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.04 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.09 | Xuerian | It'll either insert a link ([time] recipient: countxitem) or open the entry with it in it |
| 03:47.10 | Azurewrath | how about CML? *runs* |
| 03:47.14 | Xuerian | whenever i figure out how |
| 03:47.16 | mjc | CML? |
| 03:47.29 | Azurewrath | Class MasterLoot.. was pointed to Xuerian ;) |
| 03:47.36 | Xuerian | Azurewrath: Now that I've figured out how to use dewdrop properly, sooner than later :p |
| 03:47.47 | Azurewrath | sweet \o/ |
| 03:48.15 | mjc | ah |
| 03:48.33 | Xuerian | link all in XLoot's window, then either Master or display options for xlm are next. not sure. :P |
| 03:48.53 | Xuerian | After I figure out how to make rainmeter display my netspeed again, damnit! |
| 03:49.07 | mjc | I think I'll get the fastest $250 card and call it a day. |
| 03:49.13 | Azurewrath | set the correct nic? *ducks* |
| 03:49.33 | Xuerian | Nope, it's registering, it shows it in the plugin monitor in the about window, but the skin isn't picking it up |
| 03:50.08 | Azurewrath | mhm.. dunno... just tried rainmeter once.. don't need that fancy stuff.. i use and like Rainlendar though |
| 03:50.44 | Xuerian | Well, I like the XXX skin for both, and since I've got deadspace on one monitor, it's nice to have them up there |
| 03:50.59 | Xuerian | simpler than samarize :P |
| 03:51.21 | mjc | radeon it is. :p |
| 03:51.31 | Xuerian | you're going to video hell, mjc |
| 03:51.34 | mjc | wins by $10. haha |
| 03:53.41 | CIA-17 | 03hshh * r14142 10CooldownCount/CooldownCount.lua: CooldownCount: I sorry for hideAnimation option procssing. It's correct now. |
| 03:55.03 | mjc | I think I just died laughing |
| 03:55.03 | mjc | http://www.killernic.com/KillerNic/ |
| 03:55.07 | mjc | ridiculous |
| 03:56.41 | Azurewrath | lol |
| 03:57.25 | That1Swede | fux yeah, KillerNic! |
| 03:57.30 | Azurewrath | 41 % improvement in FPS in World of Warcraft using Killer |
| 03:57.33 | Azurewrath | coooool :D |
| 03:57.41 | mjc | it's bs. |
| 03:57.47 | Azurewrath | oh, really? :p |
| 03:57.51 | That1Swede | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.03 | Xuerian | hahaha |
| 03:58.14 | Xuerian | that's some good shit |
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| 03:58.22 | mjc | 10% ping reduction, haha |
| 03:58.26 | Xuerian | the sink looks like a good fist weapon tho |
| 03:58.28 | mjc | from... 4.. to what? 3? |
| 03:58.44 | That1Swede | I've 284ms ping 'gainst my WoW server. :~( |
| 03:58.53 | mjc | That1Swede: dialup ftw |
| 03:59.01 | Azurewrath | LLR Technology is 400Mhz Network Processing chipset that allows the Killer NIC to completely bypass the Windows Network Stack |
| 03:59.09 | Azurewrath | Bypassing Windows reduces your latency (Ping), and shortens game frame loops: boosting FPS. |
| 03:59.11 | Azurewrath | hahaha |
| 03:59.43 | JoshBorke | how can you detect someone in your raid dieing? |
| 03:59.47 | That1Swede | mjc, it's not dialup! |
| 03:59.59 | That1Swede | It's RoadRunner cable or something.. |
| 04:00.15 | That1Swede | Wishing I could've brought my old connection with my over here. |
| 04:00.17 | pastamancer | JoshBorke: checking UnitIsDeadOrGhost() on UNIT_HEALTH works |
| 04:00.18 | Xuerian | OMG I'M DEAD FUCKING HEALERS WTF ARE YOU DOING WAKE UP YOU FUCKING IDIOTS: surefire death detection. |
| 04:00.27 | mjc | haha |
| 04:00.29 | JoshBorke | pastamancer: ok, thanks |
| 04:00.58 | mjc | http://www.bootdaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=51&limit=1&limitstart=4 |
| 04:00.59 | pastamancer | I wish there were a separate event for unit death, but the combatlog one is of course restricted by combat log range |
| 04:01.01 | mjc | HAHAHAHAHAH |
| 04:01.07 | mjc | #1 nforce networking |
| 04:01.09 | JoshBorke | i suppose that's more accurate than combat log scanning |
| 04:01.17 | mjc | #2 ... 31fps -> 44 ? |
| 04:01.19 | mjc | what the fuck? |
| 04:01.26 | mjc | that's margin of error. |
| 04:01.58 | mjc | and 3-5ms ping difference. yeah ook :) |
| 04:02.37 | Azurewrath | it's funny that they use a PCI Interface for the card.. |
| 04:02.58 | Azurewrath | not even capable of providing full gbit speed.. but hey, it's a "Killer" NIC ;) |
| 04:03.10 | Xuerian | zing. |
| 04:03.14 | mjc | zing indeed |
| 04:03.23 | mjc | 133MB/s = win |
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| 04:04.21 | Azurewrath | ya.. 133mb/s shared over the whole bus. |
| 04:04.22 | That1Swede | mjc, granted.. but you sure as hell can score some chicks at the bar by flashing that 'beast'. |
| 04:04.30 | mjc | heh |
| 04:04.31 | That1Swede | Your regular NIC doesn't quite cut it there.. |
| 04:04.42 | Azurewrath | you'll never reach full gbit speed with a PCI card in practice... |
| 04:04.51 | mjc | Azurewrath: yes, that's why I'm saying zing |
| 04:05.08 | kb1ibt | in practice but in theory you would be pushing it to the max |
| 04:05.25 | [Insom]Farns | It's $300 for a sub-gigabit network card, what a gigantic waste of money. |
| 04:05.43 | mjc | kb1ibt: you'd never be able to use anything close to 133MB/s because the PCI bus sucks |
| 04:06.04 | mjc | the highest I've ever seen on a completely empty PCI bus is 130, and that's not possible on a PC... it was a test environment |
| 04:06.25 | Azurewrath | mhm... i'll solder some P4 Heatsink to a $5 PCI NIC.. anyone wanna buy? $200 only :p |
| 04:06.31 | mjc | hahah |
| 04:06.46 | mjc | Azurewrath: will you cut it to look like a penis? |
| 04:06.54 | mjc | epeen, even |
| 04:06.55 | Tain | You don't reach 100mb/s either, that's theoretical. |
| 04:06.59 | kb1ibt | mjc, well on a Pc no but my dad work for DEC and on atleast one generation of the servers it was PCI gigabit |
| 04:07.06 | Azurewrath | mjc: if you pay me $200 for that crap i'll cut it to anything ;p |
| 04:07.08 | kb1ibt | and it was pushing the card to the max |
| 04:07.40 | mjc | kb1ibt: that's PCI-X, most likely |
| 04:07.43 | mjc | Azurewrath: haha |
| 04:07.45 | kb1ibt | nope |
| 04:07.49 | mjc | kb1ibt: proof? |
| 04:08.15 | kb1ibt | like i said this was back in the DEC(Digital Equipment Corp) days |
| 04:08.19 | mjc | the most throughput I've ever seen on any PCI bus was an intel one that pushed 132.9 with 8 devices spamming it |
| 04:08.22 | mjc | I know what DEC is :) |
| 04:08.28 | Azurewrath | PCI-X or PCIe.. you can't produce that speed with PCI |
| 04:08.31 | mjc | I own an alpha :) |
| 04:08.46 | Azurewrath | uhh :) |
| 04:08.57 | Gngsk | I own in charlie |
| 04:09.01 | Gngsk | er, :) |
| 04:09.11 | Azurewrath | mjc: Silicon Graphics? |
| 04:09.19 | mjc | Azurewrath: hp |
| 04:09.25 | Azurewrath | nice :) |
| 04:09.33 | kb1ibt | DEC -> Compaq -> HP |
| 04:09.40 | mjc | yep. |
| 04:09.57 | Azurewrath | saw a Cray and Cray II some weeks ago :) |
| 04:12.27 | kb1ibt | but mjc this was in a lab enviroment not your usual configuration plus he was in one of their benchmarking divisions |
| 04:12.38 | mjc | ah. |
| 04:12.40 | mjc | heh |
| 04:12.54 | mjc | sweet god, look at the size of this HDTV cap. |
| 04:12.56 | mjc | http://www.avfan.cn/UploadFile/2004-10/2004101734648396.jpg |
| 04:13.28 | Azurewrath | nice... i just decided that i need HDTV ;) |
| 04:14.17 | kb1ibt | um, WTF is that image of? |
| 04:14.24 | mjc | FUCKing damn. 280W under load |
| 04:14.46 | mjc | looks like oceanic life |
| 04:15.10 | JoshBorke | nn all |
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| 04:15.59 | Azurewrath | pretty sure it's a coral |
| 04:16.08 | Azurewrath | <-- diver :) |
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| 04:16.40 | mjc | 50dBa @ 75cm. fuckin louddd |
| 04:17.35 | CIA-17 | 03joshborke * r14143 10HealWatch/ (5 files): |
| 04:17.35 | CIA-17 | HealWatch: |
| 04:17.35 | CIA-17 | - updated to 0.56-11200 |
| 04:17.35 | CIA-17 | - fixed a small coms bug |
| 04:17.35 | CIA-17 | - added reattach option to make it grow down properly |
| 04:20.39 | CIA-17 | 03joshborke * r14144 10/tags/HealWatch/: HealWatch: created tag folder |
| 04:21.04 | CIA-17 | 03joshborke 07v0.56-11200 * r14145 10HealWatch/: HealWatch: tagged for 0.56-11200 |
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| 04:28.20 | kb1ibt | blizzard broke the seal on their "fight club" WoW:TBC and before this beta is even over i get invited to another company's beta, i have too much to test and not enough time on my hands |
| 04:30.06 | That1Swede | I'll beta test for you. Give me the info. ;P |
| 04:30.24 | Kalamadi | If it's a US key, I'll test for you >_> |
| 04:30.31 | Kalamadi | I'm developing Grid >_> |
| 04:33.06 | mjc | blah. |
| 04:33.20 | kb1ibt | what? |
| 04:33.44 | That1Swede | He might be deaf from the 50dBa.. |
| 04:33.46 | mjc | I want a quieter card. good thing I cancelled the order |
| 04:35.37 | haste | mjc: shinsen subs release anime in that resolution |
| 04:35.50 | mjc | haste: 1080p or 1080i? |
| 04:35.59 | haste | that I don't know of |
| 04:36.05 | mjc | interlaced? |
| 04:36.42 | haste | I haven't checked it myself, only know that it's 1920x1080 x264 |
| 04:37.24 | mjc | http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/342/ looks like a decent less-noisy card. lets see if the review tells me otherwise |
| 04:37.33 | That1Swede | Must be a nice source they get it from. :o |
| 04:38.29 | mjc | hum? |
| 04:38.32 | mjc | oh |
| 04:40.16 | mjc | nice, it's heatpipe |
| 04:40.42 | mjc | UV reactive too, hahaha |
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| 04:42.39 | mjc | SC:CT at 64fps 1920x1200. drool :) |
| 04:43.26 | mjc | 76fps same in quake 4 :p |
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| 04:46.45 | That1Swede | mjc, shush.. you're making me a sad panda. ;P |
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| 05:07.07 | mjc | look at the size of this heatsink. what the hell. |
| 05:07.08 | mjc | http://www.silentpcreview.com/article251-page3.html |
| 05:07.59 | Cartas | It's Scythe! |
| 05:08.03 | vhaarr | e-peen |
| 05:08.04 | Cartas | I use one of those on my CPU. |
| 05:08.11 | Cartas | They're amazingly good :P |
| 05:08.18 | mjc | hard to find. |
| 05:09.12 | Cartas | I'm only going to use Scythe for all my CPU-cooling ever now though. |
| 05:09.16 | Cartas | Great products :) |
| 05:10.29 | vhaarr | ~seen tazmanyak |
| 05:10.39 | purl | tazmanyak <n=chatzill@ken66-1-82-242-251-85.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5d 13h 36m 58s ago, saying: 'good night All ^^'. |
| 05:10.39 | vhaarr | Damn frenchies. |
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| 05:15.45 | mjc | hey ck |
| 05:16.18 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:18.30 | Xuerian | heya. |
| 05:21.28 | vhaarr | hey ckk |
| 05:21.44 | vhaarr | Just got up :) |
| 05:21.45 | ckknight | almost done adding dynamic locales to AL-2.2 |
| 05:22.12 | vhaarr | Will it support numeric keys? ;) |
| 05:22.25 | ckknight | yes. |
| 05:22.28 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 05:22.29 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 05:22.34 | ckknight | I made a specific point so that it will |
| 05:22.49 | Azurewrath | mjc: dunno if those are avaible in the US, but i like products from arctic cooling for Heatsinks.. they are cheap AND good. :) |
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| 05:23.13 | vhaarr | ckknight: I believe I'm using AL2.0 in a way that would also break AL2.1 in some module, hang on a sec. |
| 05:23.24 | Azurewrath | mjc: especially the Freezer series. |
| 05:23.25 | ckknight | how so? |
| 05:23.31 | ckknight | AL-2.2 is based on AL-2.0 |
| 05:23.40 | mjc | Azurewrath: shrug |
| 05:24.11 | ckknight | also, Kaelten and I came up with an excellent way to handle caching. Basically, for some translations, you don't need to cache, such as once-only translations |
| 05:24.23 | ckknight | but for others, that you call in an OnUpdate and such, you definitely want a cache |
| 05:24.38 | vhaarr | ckknight: strat_validate = { "Circular, L/R", "Circular, R/L", "Run Through" }, |
| 05:24.52 | ckknight | vhaarr, I don't see a problem |
| 05:25.03 | vhaarr | There is none with AL2.0. |
| 05:25.10 | vhaarr | I'm just making sure there won't be with 2.2 :) |
| 05:25.31 | ckknight | so by using a basic timer, localizations checked in the first 10 seconds won't be cached, but it will be after that |
| 05:25.39 | ckknight | vhaarr, you'll be fine |
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| 05:26.42 | vhaarr | ckknight: So basically 2.2 will be a |AceLibrary("AceLocale-2.0")| -> |AceLibrary("AceLocale-2.2")| change? |
| 05:26.53 | mjc | anyone have a P5wd2-e? |
| 05:26.54 | ckknight | basically. |
| 05:26.58 | vhaarr | good |
| 05:27.00 | ckknight | in most cases |
| 05:27.03 | vhaarr | ye |
| 05:27.06 | ckknight | L"alpha" no longer works |
| 05:27.11 | ckknight | for example. |
| 05:27.18 | ckknight | use L["alpha"] instead |
| 05:28.05 | [1]Greywind | lol looks like i forgot to logout at home |
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| 05:34.08 | ckknight | wow, adding dynamic locales to AL-2.2 was really, really easy. |
| 05:34.24 | ckknight | cause I had most of the basic constructs in place already |
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| 05:36.24 | [1]Greywind | acelocale-2.2 =al-2.2 right? |
| 05:37.07 | vhaarr | yes |
| 05:37.22 | ckknight | yes |
| 05:37.38 | [1]Greywind | ok coo |
| 05:37.40 | ckknight | devoid of flaming or political meandering |
| 05:38.09 | ckknight | and it is to be as efficient as possible |
| 05:38.09 | ckknight | regarding both memory and CPU speed |
| 05:38.10 | [1]Greywind | ok coo |
| 05:38.48 | ckknight | don't use it yet, anyway |
| 05:38.52 | ckknight | it's still being developed |
| 05:40.15 | ckknight | and I'll be able to write AceHook-2.1 |
| 05:40.19 | ckknight | You got it! |
| 05:40.19 | ckknight | * Added a script function issecurevariable([table,] "variable"), which returns false if the named variable has been modified by an addon or macro script. |
| 05:40.22 | ckknight | go Slouken. |
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| 05:43.41 | ckknight_ | blah |
| 05:43.55 | ckknight | ~literal framexml |
| 05:43.57 | purl | "framexml" is "<reply> get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p" |
| 05:44.22 | ckknight | purl, no, framexml is <reply>get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p -- Beta: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/expansion-bc/addonkit.zip |
| 05:44.23 | purl | okay, ckknight |
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| 05:57.09 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r14147 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: Dewdrop - arrows no longer change color, was icky looking. |
| 05:59.20 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TBC * r14148 10Ace2/Ace2/ (Ace2.toc AceLocale-2.2/AceLocale-2.2.lua): |
| 05:59.20 | CIA-17 | AceLocale-2.2 - added dynamic locales. |
| 05:59.20 | CIA-17 | added AceLocale-2.2 to the toc. |
| 05:59.35 | ckknight | I just tested it out |
| 05:59.37 | ckknight | works great. |
| 05:59.46 | ckknight | dynamic locales and all. |
| 05:59.51 | Cartas | Hmm... |
| 05:59.57 | Cartas | ckknight! |
| 06:00.02 | vhaarr | ckknight: Do they still chance size? The arrows, I mean. |
| 06:00.02 | ckknight | hey, Cartas |
| 06:00.05 | ckknight | yes, vhaarr |
| 06:00.09 | vhaarr | gah |
| 06:00.12 | ckknight | what? |
| 06:00.12 | Cartas | Good morning, old chap. Do you know the name of the addon which will drop the least-valuable items in your bags? |
| 06:00.15 | vhaarr | I think it looks bad. |
| 06:00.16 | Cartas | Made by Tekkub, I think. :O |
| 06:00.24 | ckknight | vhaarr, come up with a better solution |
| 06:00.31 | ckknight | BagBoy? |
| 06:00.40 | kergoth | fubar_garbagefu |
| 06:01.05 | Cartas | Oh |
| 06:01.11 | Cartas | It's by Ratbert... |
| 06:01.21 | Cartas | I'm sure I saw one by Tekkub, oh well, this'll do. |
| 06:01.57 | haste | Item De....something |
| 06:02.23 | haste | ItemizedDeductions |
| 06:02.24 | Cartas | Ahh |
| 06:02.26 | Cartas | Got it :P |
| 06:02.31 | Cartas | Thanks master Haste! |
| 06:02.45 | haste | don't think it's updated at all :p |
| 06:02.54 | Cartas | Oh... |
| 06:03.24 | Cartas | Well, it should still work, right? |
| 06:03.31 | haste | no idea |
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| 06:03.46 | Cartas | BagBoy2 seems like it might do more than I need... |
| 06:03.51 | Cartas | We shall see! |
| 06:07.42 | Cartas | Oh... |
| 06:07.47 | Cartas | Damned Tekkub's uses FuBar :| |
| 06:08.37 | ruinna | ckknight: im interested in playing with sliders, color swatches, submenus inside FuBar plugs' tooltips.. any plans on migrating some dewdrop functionality towards tablet? |
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| 06:08.48 | ckknight | nope. |
| 06:08.54 | ckknight | that's not what Tablet's for. |
| 06:09.10 | ruinna | ya, .. tablet's geared for column layout, no? |
| 06:09.12 | ckknight | tablet's for displaying information with little to no interaction |
| 06:09.16 | ckknight | right. |
| 06:09.34 | Cartas | Bleh... |
| 06:09.56 | Cartas | How can I find out the /command for an addon? BagBoy2 doesn't seem to have one :( |
| 06:11.08 | MentalPower | open up the Lua file and look for globals that start with SLASH |
| 06:11.18 | MentalPower | that is if they refister the slash commands themselves |
| 06:11.28 | MentalPower | if they use a library then its trivkier |
| 06:11.42 | Cartas | "/bb2", "/bagboy2" |
| 06:11.53 | Cartas | It doesn't work though... |
| 06:12.16 | haste | MentalPower: It's an Ace addon :p |
| 06:12.39 | Cartas | Hm? |
| 06:12.44 | Cartas | BagBoy2 is Ace2 :O |
| 06:13.19 | haste | Cartas: shrugs! |
| 06:13.23 | Cartas | It is. |
| 06:13.30 | Cartas | Now... how can I get this working? :S |
| 06:15.12 | Cartas | Seems this addon doesn't work at all... |
| 06:15.17 | Cartas | :( |
| 06:16.12 | ruinna | ckknight: hmm.. so what would u recommend for fubar plugs which are more 'control' oriented (rather than 'info' oriented)? leave control stuff in the menu options so dewdrop can be used? |
| 06:16.25 | ckknight | pretty much |
| 06:16.38 | ckknight | what're you making? |
| 06:17.27 | ruinna | ckknight: seems like the menu options are specific to the fubar plug itself though... i'm mostly concerned with migration of basic control UIs away from existing mods into smaller, cleaner fubar plugs |
| 06:17.59 | ckknight | example? |
| 06:18.13 | Cartas | Stupid SVN 'cleanup' problems :( |
| 06:18.30 | ruinna | control of bars.. Bartender2Fu would be one example |
| 06:18.46 | ckknight | use Dewdrop, I'd say |
| 06:19.24 | ruinna | hmm, but it means the 'detached tooltip' functionality can't be taken advantage of, no? |
| 06:19.45 | ckknight | what about it? |
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| 06:20.31 | ruinna | i find it nice to be able to detach a 'control' tooltip to keep the migrated UI visible.. |
| 06:20.43 | ruinna | not a huge loss though |
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| 06:24.01 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14149 10BigWigs_HealbotAssist/BigWigs_HealbotAssist.lua: BigWigs_HealbotAssist: Experimental spore rotation. When a spore is summoned, it whispers group |mod(sporeNumber, 8) == 0 and 8 or mod(sporeNumber, 8)| to "Kill spore!" and group + 1 to "Get ready for spore!". |
| 06:27.40 | kergoth | Cartas: garbagefu works without fubar.. |
| 06:27.50 | Cartas | :P |
| 06:27.53 | Cartas | I have it on now anyway... |
| 06:28.03 | Cartas | It seems both ItemizedDeductions and BagBoy2 have errors on load... |
| 06:28.34 | kergoth | garbagefu is actually maintained, afaik :P |
| 06:28.44 | kergoth | i think bagboy2 is too, dunno why thatd error |
| 06:28.58 | Cartas | 3 errors, infact. |
| 06:29.08 | Cartas | About CompstLib. |
| 06:29.11 | Cartas | Compost* |
| 06:33.27 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TBC * r14150 10Ace2/Ace2/AceLocale-2.2/AceLocale-2.2.lua: |
| 06:33.27 | CIA-17 | AceLocale-2.2 - now clears the caches of locale registrations 5 seconds after |
| 06:33.27 | CIA-17 | creation. This will allow once-only translations to not needlessly take up extra |
| 06:33.27 | CIA-17 | memory, while allowing for critical path translations to use the cache properly. |
| 06:33.36 | ckknight | :-) |
| 06:34.33 | ckknight | AceLocale-2.2 is pimp now, no denying. |
| 06:34.51 | ckknight | please test it out |
| 06:34.59 | ckknight | it shouldn't be buggy, since it's based on AceLocale-2.0 |
| 06:35.06 | vhaarr | Can't, no expansion :( |
| 06:35.25 | ckknight | but it's still possible there's a bug floating around in it |
| 06:35.51 | ckknight | it works in regular wow |
| 06:36.01 | ckknight | I just put it in the TBC branch so the unwashed masses don't use it |
| 06:36.37 | ckknight | it also should not be hard to convert AL-2.0 mods to 2.2 |
| 06:37.00 | ckknight | just change the number |
| 06:37.13 | ckknight | in most cases |
| 06:42.32 | Xuerian | This makes it moderately interesting to test with :P |
| 06:43.40 | XLVII | Who made uh.. HunterBars for Bartender2? |
| 06:44.35 | vhaarr | ckknight: But no idea about the AceOptions problem I'm having? |
| 06:44.39 | ckknight | nope. |
| 06:44.56 | vhaarr | Well something is wrong. |
| 06:45.07 | vhaarr | ClosetGnome_BigWigs reproduces it 100%. |
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| 06:54.33 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceLocale-2.2 |
| 06:54.39 | ckknight | plz read |
| 06:56.13 | CIA-17 | 03elkano * r14151 10FuBar_FriendsFu/ (5 files): |
| 06:56.13 | CIA-17 | FuBar_FriendsFu |
| 06:56.13 | CIA-17 | - split locals |
| 06:56.14 | CIA-17 | - added zhTW |
| 06:57.07 | ckknight | don't release with it yet, Xuerian, just doing testing |
| 06:57.14 | Xuerian | not releasing it |
| 06:57.16 | Xuerian | :p |
| 06:57.16 | CIA-17 | 03elkano * r14152 10FuBar_GuildFu/ (7 files): |
| 06:57.17 | CIA-17 | FuBar_GuildFu |
| 06:57.17 | CIA-17 | - split locals |
| 06:57.17 | CIA-17 | - added zhTW |
| 06:57.17 | ckknight | I don't want a horrible bug to be in it that I'm not seeing |
| 06:57.35 | Xuerian | Not gonna make the "zomg release day must finish last feature" feature tonight anyway, so no rush :P |
| 06:58.42 | Xuerian | Seems to work just fine |
| 06:58.47 | PProvost | !trunk oUF_Party |
| 06:59.02 | Xuerian | Any way to force a specific locale into being used? >_> |
| 06:59.13 | PProvost | Can we not ping the ZIP script that way any more? |
| 06:59.21 | ckknight | Xuerian, yea |
| 06:59.23 | Xuerian | svnbot is gone. |
| 06:59.29 | ckknight | you :SetDynamicLocales() |
| 06:59.38 | ckknight | then after registering the translations, :SetLocale("deDE") |
| 06:59.39 | Xuerian | okesh |
| 06:59.43 | PProvost | Xuerian, No way to get a zip other than checkin then? |
| 06:59.45 | ckknight | :EnableDynamicLocales()* |
| 06:59.56 | Xuerian | PProvost: nope :P |
| 07:00.00 | PProvost | Drag. |
| 07:00.41 | PProvost | Need to get the oUF_* addons zipped for WAU. |
| 07:01.58 | Kameril | so, i'm working on a whiteboard mod using AceComms to send lines/textures/ect, i'm trying to work out the more efficient table structure not only for locally storing, but for sending over the stream also; right now i'm just using lines[1].x = number, lines[1].path = texturepath ect, suggestions to improve that? |
| 07:02.30 | ckknight | Kameril, sending arrays across the stream is cheaper than sending hashes across |
| 07:02.31 | ckknight | so you know |
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| 07:03.03 | *** topic/#wowace by ckknight -> http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Server_Status#Latest_Update | Everyone who commits to the SVN, read and sign http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_Rules | If chicken little tells you that the sky is falling., even if it wasn't would you still come crawling back again.. I bet you would my friend.. again and again and again and again and a... | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1&pageNo=7 | Please test AceLocale-2.2 |
| 07:03.12 | ckknight | topic is too long. |
| 07:03.28 | CIA-17 | 03elkano * r14153 10FuBar_GuildFu/FuBar_GuildFu.lua.bak: |
| 07:03.28 | CIA-17 | FuBar_GuildFu |
| 07:03.28 | CIA-17 | - removed a backup file |
| 07:03.31 | *** topic/#wowace by ckknight -> http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Server_Status#Latest_Update | Everyone who commits to the SVN, read and sign http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_Rules | Please test AceLocale-2.2 for bugs |
| 07:03.46 | Kameril | hrm, would lines[1].p be an improvement over lines[1].path for streaming? |
| 07:03.53 | ckknight | technically, yes |
| 07:04.01 | ckknight | though... |
| 07:04.07 | ckknight | what I'd do instead is just memoize 'path' |
| 07:04.18 | ckknight | 'path' costs 6 |
| 07:04.23 | ckknight | memoized, it costs 4 |
| 07:04.36 | ckknight | 'p' costs 3, mind you |
| 07:04.37 | Kameril | wouldn't p cost 3 though? |
| 07:04.41 | ckknight | but it's a little complicated |
| 07:04.42 | vhaarr | AL-2.2 supports key = true for enUS? |
| 07:04.45 | ckknight | yes, vhaarr |
| 07:04.58 | vhaarr | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceLocale-2.2 suggests key = key for enUS. |
| 07:05.24 | ckknight | it shouldn't... |
| 07:05.36 | vhaarr | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceLocale-2.2#Example |
| 07:05.59 | ckknight | fixed |
| 07:06.56 | Xuerian | Woo. Xloot in FRENCH |
| 07:07.04 | Xuerian | It workie tho |
| 07:07.06 | Xuerian | :P |
| 07:07.28 | Xuerian | no coup'de gras during login |
| 07:07.31 | ckknight | yay |
| 07:07.41 | Elkano | ckknight, so AL-2.2 should be 100% API compatible with AL-2.0 in most cases? |
| 07:07.52 | ckknight | vhaarr, hrm, as am I |
| 07:07.58 | ckknight | Elkano, in _most_ cases, not all |
| 07:08.03 | CIA-17 | 03pprovost * r14154 10oUF_Party/oUF_Party.toc: oUF_Party: touched the TOC to gen a ZIP for files |
| 07:08.06 | Xuerian | Elkano: Supposing you weren't still using older syntax and instead using the proper L[""] sthuffish |
| 07:08.13 | ckknight | I specifically list inconsistencies here: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceLocale-2.2#Differences_from_AceLocale-2.0 |
| 07:08.23 | Xuerian | then again ckknight is the author and I'm tired so I shutup now ; |
| 07:08.29 | Cartas | lol |
| 07:08.34 | Elkano | btw: what about "text" = true ? |
| 07:08.37 | ckknight | works. |
| 07:08.41 | Kameril | is it worth trimming off decimals on long floats before streaming? |
| 07:08.52 | CIA-17 | 03pprovost * r14155 10oUF_Pet/oUF_Pet.toc: oUF_Pet: touched the TOC to gen a ZIP for files |
| 07:09.11 | ckknight | Kameril, bytes cost 1, words cost 2, ints cost 4, longs cost 8, floats cost 8 |
| 07:09.14 | ckknight | wait |
| 07:09.19 | ckknight | add 1 to each of those numbers |
| 07:09.21 | Elkano | what exactly does = true do? key = key? or does it set key as default for al translations? |
| 07:09.29 | ckknight | Elkano, does key = key |
| 07:09.30 | Kameril | ah k |
| 07:09.37 | PProvost | Kameril, streaming where? |
| 07:09.50 | Elkano | and how is the default fallback determined? |
| 07:09.51 | CIA-17 | 03pprovost * r14156 10oUF_Player/oUF_Player.toc: oUF_Player: touched the TOC to gen a ZIP for files |
| 07:09.56 | ckknight | ["Monkey"] = true => ["Monkey"] = "Monkey" |
| 07:10.03 | Kameril | its for a whiteboard-like addon, so streaming a canvas of lines/textures/text to another user or the raid |
| 07:10.05 | ckknight | Elkano, the first translation registered is the base locale. |
| 07:10.09 | Elkano | ah, k |
| 07:10.10 | ckknight | likely enUS |
| 07:10.35 | PProvost | ckknight, when you "stream" thru chat it goes as text and not real types, right? SO trimming helps? |
| 07:10.46 | PProvost | Or did that all change with 1.12? |
| 07:10.56 | ckknight | PProvost, I serialize numbers. |
| 07:11.09 | CIA-17 | 03pprovost * r14157 10oUF_Target/oUF_Target.toc: oUF_Target: touched the TOC to gen a ZIP for files |
| 07:11.17 | ckknight | so 64 gets turned into "i\064" |
| 07:11.19 | ckknight | two bytes |
| 07:11.28 | ckknight | then deserialized turns back into 64 |
| 07:11.37 | PProvost | Gotcha |
| 07:11.46 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceComm-2.0_serialization_spec |
| 07:11.51 | ckknight | and http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceComm-2.0_encoding_spec |
| 07:12.00 | ckknight | Kameril, read the serialization spec |
| 07:12.09 | CIA-17 | 03pprovost * r14158 10oUF_TargetsTarget/oUF_TargetsTarget.toc: oUF_TargetTarget: touched the TOC to gen a ZIP for files |
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| 07:13.34 | Kameril | yeah, i have before, but i'll read through it again |
| 07:13.59 | Xuerian | ~hug PProvost |
| 07:14.00 | purl | ACTION jumps into PProvost's lap and huggles and *hugs*! |
| 07:14.10 | PProvost | Awww.... thanks purl. |
| 07:14.28 | Xuerian | hm |
| 07:14.34 | Xuerian | ~comfort PProvost |
| 07:14.35 | purl | There, there, PProvost. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:14.39 | PProvost | haha |
| 07:14.39 | Xuerian | :) |
| 07:14.44 | PProvost | I'm done. Night all. |
| 07:14.48 | Xuerian | 'night PProvost :P |
| 07:14.57 | PProvost | Goodnight purl |
| 07:15.06 | PProvost | :D |
| 07:15.06 | Xuerian | ~goodnight PProvost |
| 07:15.10 | ckknight | Kameril, refresh, I added cost to each section |
| 07:15.17 | Xuerian | :( |
| 07:15.21 | PProvost | bummer |
| 07:15.23 | PProvost | Adios |
| 07:16.50 | CIA-17 | 03elkano * r14159 10FuBar_FriendsFu/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:16.51 | CIA-17 | FuBar_FriendsFu |
| 07:16.51 | CIA-17 | - added AceLocale as external (finally...) |
| 07:16.51 | CIA-17 | - updated to AceLocale-2.2 |
| 07:17.10 | Xuerian | Oo. |
| 07:17.13 | ckknight | I'll be putting AceLocale-2.2 in trunk if no major bugs come up |
| 07:17.16 | CIA-17 | 03elkano * r14160 10FuBar_GuildFu/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:17.16 | CIA-17 | FuBar_GuildFu |
| 07:17.17 | CIA-17 | - added AceLocale as external (finally...) |
| 07:17.17 | CIA-17 | - updated to AceLocale-2.2 |
| 07:17.28 | ckknight | and I'll also be converting BabbleLib to 2.2 when that happens |
| 07:17.33 | vhaarr | great |
| 07:17.40 | vhaarr | so Babble-2.0 is long gone, then? |
| 07:17.41 | Elkano | it's not in trunk, yet? ups... |
| 07:17.44 | vhaarr | no Elkano :P |
| 07:17.50 | ckknight | Elkano, it's okay |
| 07:17.53 | ckknight | it'll go in tomorrow |
| 07:17.53 | Xuerian | Hm, does the rest of Ace2 trunk rely on AceLocale2.0, or can only 2.2 be included? >_> |
| 07:18.15 | vhaarr | Ace2 doesn't use AL for localization. |
| 07:18.18 | ckknight | Xuerian, AceLocale is an entity in its own right, it only depends on AceLibrary and nothing depends on it |
| 07:18.21 | ckknight | and I'll expect everyone to use that, and discontinue any more committing |
| 07:18.48 | ckknight | I'll get it so that Babble-2.0 can't be committed to anymore, or can only be committed to by me |
| 07:18.51 | Xuerian | Ahh, and I remember the "using locals" bit now |
| 07:19.01 | Xuerian | :) |
| 07:19.09 | vhaarr | Xuerian: Give me a frenchie. |
| 07:19.14 | vhaarr | You had one, right? |
| 07:19.24 | Xuerian | a whoositwhatnow? |
| 07:19.27 | ckknight | we call it freedom around here, vhaarr |
| 07:19.52 | vhaarr | Xuerian: A french guy. |
| 07:19.54 | ckknight | when the next beta patch comes out, I'll write AceHook-2.1 |
| 07:19.56 | Xuerian | I'll uh... give you one if you.. really want one, vhaarr... I mean, I didn't know you felt that way... |
| 07:20.04 | [Ammo] | morning |
| 07:20.07 | ckknight | hey [Ammo] |
| 07:20.08 | vhaarr | morning ammo |
| 07:20.12 | Xuerian | 'morning [Ammo] :P |
| 07:20.25 | [Ammo] | hey ckk |
| 07:20.27 | [Ammo] | you survived :) |
| 07:20.31 | vhaarr | Xuerian: Someone needs to translate Ace2 to frFR, so please post your frenchie in the right direction. |
| 07:20.32 | ckknight | yea, sure did |
| 07:20.39 | Xuerian | XD just a minute vhaarr, some gal on the forums randomly translated xloot for me, I'll give you her sn when I load the page :P |
| 07:20.40 | vhaarr | Xuerian: Which is -> http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2648.msg52818#msg52818 |
| 07:21.13 | vhaarr | s/post/push/ |
| 07:21.20 | [Ammo] | almost time to give my driving instructor a morning of terror again |
| 07:21.41 | Xuerian | vhaarr: Cinedelle is the forum sn, bug her yourself :P |
| 07:21.55 | Xuerian | lol [Ammo] |
| 07:21.57 | [Ammo] | last time I almost drove us into another car at 80km/h although I still passed the first exam :) |
| 07:22.02 | Elkano | btw: anyone mind requesting a GetItemValue() function or an item value return value from GetItemInfo() from sloking coming up with a feasable argumentation why it should be added? |
| 07:22.05 | vhaarr | Xuerian: you do it plx :( |
| 07:22.08 | vhaarr | :D |
| 07:22.18 | Xuerian | So long as you never say either plx or prz |
| 07:22.21 | Xuerian | ever, ever again |
| 07:22.29 | vhaarr | I normally never, ever say it, actually. |
| 07:22.34 | vhaarr | Only when I'm joking. |
| 07:22.55 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 07:23.04 | vhaarr | :D |
| 07:23.54 | Xuerian | Hopefully ck will have 2.2 in trunk tomorrow, and I can kick externals up to it and commit. I'll be submitting to release sites if all goes well tomorrow, too, so AL2 should get a good hard ringing out :P |
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| 07:24.36 | Xuerian | ..!@#1. |
| 07:24.48 | vhaarr | haha |
| 07:24.54 | ckknight_ | blah |
| 07:24.58 | Xuerian | ~larg ckknight_ |
| 07:25.06 | Xuerian | blah |
| 07:25.08 | ckknight | <ckknight> Elkano, write up an argument and I'll be sure to post it |
| 07:25.10 | Xuerian | me fails |
| 07:25.16 | Xuerian | aw fuckit |
| 07:25.17 | Xuerian | XD |
| 07:25.32 | ckknight | x = "return function() return loadstring(x)()() end"; loadstring(x)()() |
| 07:25.52 | Xuerian | ckknight: If you have AL2.2 in trunk tomorrow it'll make it into my submission to release sites, so it should get a good thorough trampling out |
| 07:26.04 | ckknight | fair enough |
| 07:26.10 | ckknight | it should be okay |
| 07:26.22 | ckknight | cause it's just AL-2.0 with some stuff taken out and the dynamic locale stuff put in |
| 07:26.34 | ckknight | oh, and the new cache clearer |
| 07:26.42 | ckknight | those three things |
| 07:26.44 | Xuerian | Damn straight! I'm trying to avoid another one of those "Hey here's my new mod! Download at the link!" " Uh... what link" |
| 07:27.29 | Xuerian | :P well, should work then. |
| 07:28.09 | CIA-17 | 03grennon * r14161 10AutoTurnin/ (AutoTurnin.toc AutoTurninGlobals.lua): AutoTurnin: added Winterspring Eko Quests |
| 07:29.25 | Xuerian | There, I sent the nag message, happy mr rabbit man? |
| 07:29.32 | vhaarr | yaya |
| 07:29.50 | Xuerian | damn straight you are :P |
| 07:29.53 | vhaarr | :D |
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| 07:33.32 | ckknight | alright, I made a forum post regarding AL-2.2 status |
| 07:34.06 | Xuerian | linkeh? >..> |
| 07:34.10 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2673.0 |
| 07:34.24 | Xuerian | danka |
| 07:35.19 | ckknight | it's danke |
| 07:35.50 | ckknight | isn't it? |
| 07:35.58 | Xuerian | well, normally I say danka-shit, so danka is closer to actuality :P |
| 07:36.23 | Xuerian | No insult to german or anything, just a odd habit :P |
| 07:36.45 | Xuerian | And yes I think it's danke'shane or something like that |
| 07:37.27 | chuckg_ | As an ancestor of deep German heritage I would like to inform you ... schwachsinn. |
| 07:37.36 | krka | danke schön |
| 07:37.42 | krka | sorry for utf-8 |
| 07:37.48 | krka | or something |
| 07:38.06 | Xuerian | well |
| 07:38.08 | Xuerian | color me informed |
| 07:38.12 | Xuerian | and sleepy. |
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| 07:42.49 | Xuerian | connection fun, ckknight? :P |
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| 07:55.16 | Tigoro | can anyone tell me how to hell to get Candybar loaded into my addon? |
| 07:55.54 | Tigoro | is it not MyAddon = AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new("CandyBar-2.0"); ?? |
| 07:57.43 | vhaarr | That's one way of doing it, CandyBar works both as a mixin and as a library. |
| 07:57.59 | Tigoro | ya i'm a little confused on the whole mixin vs library thing |
| 07:58.31 | ckknight | mixins go into your addon and become a part of it |
| 07:58.36 | Tigoro | i try what i typed above and when i try to use any candybar commands i get errors saying it doesn't know what candybar is |
| 07:58.37 | ckknight | libraries stay a separate entity |
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| 07:58.51 | ckknight | most mixins function as libraries |
| 07:59.09 | baka_ranger | Oh it's you |
| 07:59.19 | ckknight | hey baka_ranger |
| 07:59.19 | vhaarr | Tigoro: How do you use it, then? |
| 07:59.28 | baka_ranger | I love the work you guys do for ace |
| 07:59.29 | Tigoro | ^^ :) |
| 07:59.30 | vhaarr | Tigoro: self:StartCandyBar? |
| 07:59.42 | vhaarr | Tigoro: pastebin.ca |
| 07:59.43 | ckknight | baka_ranger, it's good to be appreciated. |
| 07:59.48 | ckknight | :-) |
| 07:59.58 | baka_ranger | Do you have a help channel? |
| 08:00.06 | ckknight | we sure do |
| 08:00.07 | ckknight | you're in it. |
| 08:00.12 | baka_ranger | oh really |
| 08:00.20 | ckknight | yarly. |
| 08:00.31 | Tigoro | how do you register CandyBar as a Mixin instead of Library in my addon? |
| 08:00.43 | vhaarr | Tigoro: That's what you've done. |
| 08:01.15 | vhaarr | You're mixing it into the AceAddon object. |
| 08:01.35 | Tigoro | ah ok gotcha |
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| 08:01.48 | baka_ranger | Im using ag_unitframes/sraidframes at the moment and i'm trying to keep my partyframes open when in raid |
| 08:01.56 | ckknight | hrm |
| 08:02.02 | ckknight | there's probably an option |
| 08:02.08 | vhaarr | baka_ranger: ag_UF has an option for that. |
| 08:02.10 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.18 | vhaarr | Unit Frames -> Party -> Hide in raid |
| 08:02.28 | Tigoro | yup |
| 08:02.45 | baka_ranger | O.O I could have sworned I looked there... let me see |
| 08:02.46 | vhaarr | It's on by default, IIRC. |
| 08:03.19 | baka_ranger | oh hell |
| 08:04.31 | Xuerian | bzzzzzt. |
| 08:04.35 | Xuerian | ~whaleslap baka_ranger |
| 08:04.38 | purl | ACTION beats baka_ranger upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 08:04.51 | vhaarr | :D |
| 08:04.55 | ckknight | we use whales |
| 08:04.56 | ckknight | not trout |
| 08:04.59 | ckknight | get used to it |
| 08:05.01 | ckknight | face! |
| 08:05.33 | baka_ranger | im mother-rizon, the trout slaps you! |
| 08:05.51 | baka_ranger | in** |
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| 08:07.20 | Elkano | btw: maybe AceLocale should throw a warning if there exists more than one reverse trnslation for a string. |
| 08:07.40 | Kameril | hrm, did some memoizations and optimizations, takes about 7.5 seconds to send 100 lines, which isn't too bad i guess |
| 08:08.21 | Elkano | and the examples on the AL wiki page don't use pairs() (I think they should, shouldn't they?) |
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| 08:09.16 | baka_ranger | I can't believe I didn't see that option, I spent most of my time trying to find that during boring MC |
| 08:09.25 | ckknight | Elkano, eep, link? |
| 08:09.58 | Elkano | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceLocale-2.2_API_Documentation#:GetIterator.28.29 |
| 08:10.23 | ckknight | oh, no, it doesn't need pairs |
| 08:10.34 | ckknight | since it returns an iterator, not a table |
| 08:10.38 | Elkano | ah, k |
| 08:11.04 | Elkano | btw: is there any speed/mem difference between calling via indexing or via function? |
| 08:11.51 | ckknight | what do you mean? |
| 08:11.58 | ckknight | L["alpha"] vs. L"alpha"? |
| 08:11.59 | Dhraga | Hi all, anyone got a few sec to look at a error ? |
| 08:12.19 | ckknight | Dhraga, post the error, we'll see if we have a few seconds by then. |
| 08:12.30 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14162 10BigWigs_HealbotAssist/BigWigs_HealbotAssist.lua: BigWigs_HealbotAssist: Insanely experimental healer list sync'ing as broadcasted via raid chat. |
| 08:12.44 | ckknight | L"alpha" is about 2x as expensive as L["alpha"] |
| 08:12.48 | ckknight | give or take |
| 08:12.59 | Tigoro | are PaintChips and Compost libraries or mixins? |
| 08:13.05 | Dhraga | Error : Linkerator.lua:193: bad argument #1 to `lower' (string expected, got nil) http://pastey.net/1629 |
| 08:13.05 | vhaarr | libraries |
| 08:13.17 | Dhraga | Thanks Ck |
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| 08:13.37 | Tigoro | okay so how do I use them in my addon? |
| 08:13.43 | Tigoro | i mean how do i get them loaded |
| 08:13.56 | Dhraga | Oh btw the Linkerator error comes when trying to tab in reply names. |
| 08:13.59 | Tigoro | i can't do MyAddon = AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new("CandyBar-2.0", "PaintChips-2.0", "Compost-2.0"); |
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| 08:14.41 | vhaarr | Dhraga: Is that your code? |
| 08:14.45 | Dhraga | nope |
| 08:14.57 | Dhraga | It's from the GFW_Linkerator |
| 08:14.58 | ckknight | I know how to fix it. |
| 08:15.18 | ckknight | at line 193, put in `if not query then return end` |
| 08:15.21 | vhaarr | Tell GFW to check what regexps return before using the values. |
| 08:15.27 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 08:15.41 | Dhraga | Oh thanks CK |
| 08:15.45 | vhaarr | Tigoro: Obviously. |
| 08:15.57 | Tigoro | sorry not so obvious to me :-( |
| 08:15.59 | Dhraga | Mmm I have been trying to get in contact with GFW but havent succeded |
| 08:16.03 | vhaarr | Tigoro: local compost = AceLibrary("Compost-2.0") |
| 08:16.25 | Tigoro | i guess i understand the API doc's and how to use them but there doesn't seem to much info on how to get it all loaded up initially |
| 08:16.28 | vhaarr | Tigoro: local table = compost:Acquire(), compost:Reclaim(table), table = nil |
| 08:16.32 | Tigoro | okay ya that makes sense now |
| 08:16.33 | Elkano | ck: L["alpha"] vs L:GetTranslation("Alpha") |
| 08:16.41 | Tigoro | okay cool thanks |
| 08:16.43 | vhaarr | Tigoro: There are several tutorials, I think. |
| 08:16.43 | ckknight | Elkano, use the first if you can. |
| 08:16.49 | ckknight | the second will be like 3x slower |
| 08:17.02 | Elkano | well, I do, just wanted to know :) |
| 08:17.12 | ckknight | alright |
| 08:17.29 | Elkano | I only use the method call for reverse translations |
| 08:17.52 | krka | reverse translations? |
| 08:17.59 | krka | are the translations bijective? |
| 08:18.26 | vhaarr | krka: Reverse translation gets you the key. |
| 08:18.41 | krka | so... translations are bijective thne? |
| 08:18.43 | krka | sounds weird |
| 08:18.49 | vhaarr | I have no idea what bijective means. |
| 08:19.07 | krka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijective |
| 08:19.10 | ckknight | ~dict bijective |
| 08:19.17 | vhaarr | right |
| 08:19.22 | vhaarr | No wonder I don't know it. |
| 08:19.24 | Dhraga | Btw, is there any cure for the blizzard error : FloatingChatFrame.lua:476: attempt to index local `color' (a nil value) I cant reach the channel meny thanks to it |
| 08:19.30 | krka | i'll give an example |
| 08:19.49 | ckknight | Dhraga, tell the bliz forums |
| 08:19.49 | krka | let's say you have two keys, "month5long", "month5short" |
| 08:19.52 | krka | both map to "May" |
| 08:20.07 | krka | How would the reverse translation work then? |
| 08:20.18 | vhaarr | It's not an issue, since it's impossible. |
| 08:20.24 | krka | it's impossible??? |
| 08:20.29 | vhaarr | Obviously. |
| 08:20.34 | krka | why? |
| 08:20.34 | Dhraga | There are already several posts about it on the blizz forums, none got a blue response or user fix suggestion |
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| 08:20.40 | krka | it's not obvious to me, obviously |
| 08:20.42 | oxman | iop :) |
| 08:20.45 | vhaarr | The second value would simply overwrite the first one. |
| 08:20.53 | krka | no, they are different keys |
| 08:20.55 | ckknight | krka, well, it'll choose one of em, nondeterministically. |
| 08:20.57 | Greywind | oh sweet AL-2.2 is on the svn yay new toy! |
| 08:21.03 | ckknight | probably the first |
| 08:21.13 | vhaarr | krka: aah, haha, I thought they both said "long" :P |
| 08:21.15 | vhaarr | Sorry. |
| 08:21.15 | krka | does it loop through the key table? |
| 08:21.28 | ckknight | krka, it loops once and makes a reverse table |
| 08:21.31 | krka | or do you maintain a lookup table? |
| 08:21.32 | baka_ranger | does ace support emotefu? |
| 08:21.43 | krka | i see |
| 08:21.47 | Health_ | krka rages! |
| 08:21.55 | ckknight | yea, it does |
| 08:22.29 | krka | when would you need reverse translations btw? |
| 08:22.36 | krka | wouldn't it be better to return all matching keys? |
| 08:22.39 | vhaarr | When syncing information between locales. |
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| 08:23.04 | krka | i see |
| 08:23.09 | vhaarr | For example boss abilities that affect damage schools. |
| 08:23.14 | Wobin | rararar |
| 08:23.16 | Wobin | connectin |
| 08:23.18 | Wobin | rararar |
| 08:23.33 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TBC * r14163 10Ace2/Ace2/AceLocale-2.2/AceLocale-2.2.lua: AceLocale - nils reverse table on cache clear. |
| 08:24.12 | oxman | how you test on tbc ? :p |
| 08:25.07 | vhaarr | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2674.0;topicseen what the .. |
| 08:25.25 | baka_ranger | Is there a reason why emotefu isn't listed in wowace? I tried loading it from the cursegaming download and i gave me a lua error |
| 08:26.05 | Tigoro | man i just can't figure out why my CandyBar has no color to it..... i'm almost there |
| 08:26.27 | Xuerian | vhaarr: Looks like a chinese addon community manager wanting svn access to do translations? >_> |
| 08:26.35 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 08:27.30 | vhaarr | from his blog: "## OptionalDeps: !!!Libs, Ace2[ACE]" |
| 08:27.32 | vhaarr | wtf? |
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| 08:27.44 | Xuerian | Nooooo clue |
| 08:28.03 | vhaarr | I don't think you're supposed to do ## OptionalDeps: !!!Libs, Ace2[ACE] :D |
| 08:28.06 | CIA-17 | 03hshh * r14164 10BabbleLib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Babble-Spell: update zhCN locales |
| 08:28.18 | Xuerian | You don't say :p |
| 08:28.35 | ckknight_ | blah... |
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| 08:28.41 | Tigoro | is there any reason that this: myAddon:RegisterCandyBar("Food_Banana", 60, "Eating banana"); would result in a transparent candybar with no color ? |
| 08:28.43 | Elkano | krka, BabbleClass uses reverse translation in order to return the class color for a given localized class |
| 08:28.49 | ckknight_ | don't put !!!Libs in OptionalDeps |
| 08:29.04 | Wobin | O.O |
| 08:29.11 | krka | seems kinda unstable |
| 08:29.32 | vhaarr | Unstable? |
| 08:29.37 | Xuerian | ckknight: Tell that to the guy applying for svn access on the forums :P |
| 08:30.51 | krka | relying on there being only one matching key for the reverse translation |
| 08:31.20 | krka | do you have namespaces or something? |
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| 08:31.42 | krka | so you could do getTranslation("Mage", "Blizzard strings") or something |
| 08:31.48 | vhaarr | Call that unstable, I don't. |
| 08:32.19 | krka | well, couldn't another addon break it by adding its own key with the value "Mage"? |
| 08:32.25 | vhaarr | No? |
| 08:32.26 | Elkano | yes, each addon most likely has it's own namespace and so does BabbleClass |
| 08:33.33 | vhaarr | There's no namespace, there's just the AL object ID. |
| 08:33.45 | vhaarr | Which in effect is the exact same thing, of course. |
| 08:35.16 | Elkano | that's what I meant |
| 08:35.19 | ckknight_ | yea, AceLocale uses namespaces |
| 08:37.25 | Tigoro | can anyone help me with a quick CandyBar question? |
| 08:38.59 | Health_ | read the code krka! |
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| 08:42.45 | Xuerian | Well, ready for release with a texture change AL2.2 :P. 'Night all. :P |
| 08:43.33 | Mikma | al2.2? |
| 08:43.42 | Xuerian | al2.2 =O |
| 08:43.42 | Kebinusan | Elkano, you have the wrong external location for AL2.2 |
| 08:44.05 | Xuerian | ckknight has been working on it :) |
| 08:44.13 | Mikma | oh nice |
| 08:44.14 | vhaarr | ckknight: Maybe add a :IsDynamicLocalesEnabled() to counter the fact that :SetLocale errors if it's not. |
| 08:44.23 | Mikma | so, so long 2.0 and 2.1 and welcome 2.2 |
| 08:44.28 | Xuerian | Amen :P |
| 08:45.04 | ckknight | vhaarr, I don't think so, since you'd know if your dynamic locales are enabled. |
| 08:45.29 | Elkano | Kebinusan, I know ^^ |
| 08:45.35 | vhaarr | ckknight: We're not guaranteed to be the only user of the table. |
| 08:45.42 | deci | http://www.imagesocket.com/view/my_musicefd.JPG |
| 08:45.44 | deci | :D |
| 08:45.45 | Mikma | ckknight: thanks for bringing the end to the endless AL fight |
| 08:45.58 | ckknight | Mikma, yep, come tomorrow |
| 08:46.00 | Elkano | I was a bit to fast with turning over but since it will become valid soon, I'll leave it that way |
| 08:46.13 | Kebinusan | Mikma, quick start AL2.3 so we can have another war |
| 08:46.19 | oxman | :p |
| 08:46.21 | vhaarr | ckknight: Is the fact that :EnableDynamicLocales() must be set before registration a design choice or a lua restriction? |
| 08:46.27 | Mikma | Kebinusan: /slap |
| 08:46.35 | ckknight | little of column a, little of column b |
| 08:46.40 | Kebinusan | Anyone else see AL2.2 and think WTF has AldunLothar released this time |
| 08:46.51 | Mikma | :) |
| 08:47.05 | vhaarr | ckknight: I can see an addon that wants to change locales for all AL objects. |
| 08:47.06 | Mikma | i think it should be changed to A2Lv2 |
| 08:47.15 | Mikma | that will make the difference between AL and AL |
| 08:47.17 | vhaarr | ckknight: Of course that's impossible now. |
| 08:47.40 | Greywind | holy shit mate thats a ton of music, i only have 5GB or so |
| 08:48.18 | Neebler | woah that is alot |
| 08:48.35 | Neebler | their must be an assload of crappy music tho. because IMO 70+% of music is |
| 08:48.48 | Kebinusan | yeah thats quite a bit of music |
| 08:48.48 | deci | lol |
| 08:48.51 | Kebinusan | wow |
| 08:48.55 | Kebinusan | or porn |
| 08:49.05 | ckknight | vhaarr, nah, it's quite impossible, and not really supposed to be possible |
| 08:49.20 | deci | its all music, ive got lots of music in many different languages |
| 08:49.25 | ckknight | I don't like dynamic locales, they're just there to appease OneBag's crazy norweigan setting |
| 08:49.32 | vhaarr | ckknight: I think it should be possible, since without it, dynamic locales are quite useless. |
| 08:49.37 | vhaarr | hey, I translated it to norwegian :P |
| 08:50.11 | oxman | blizzard is stupid, when you change the password of your account, the newpass is ok on wow, but the pass isn't changed for tbc :| |
| 08:50.34 | Kameril | they update beta passwords every monday morning |
| 08:50.49 | Kameril | or at least, did in alpha |
| 08:50.51 | oxman | really ? |
| 08:51.05 | oxman | but the password was changed saturday |
| 08:51.09 | oxman | and it still no work |
| 08:51.09 | oxman | :) |
| 08:51.26 | Kameril | who knows then |
| 08:51.35 | oxman | I dunno ;p |
| 08:53.51 | ckknight | gah, everyone should just learn English. |
| 08:54.00 | Kebinusan | heh |
| 08:54.16 | Cartas | Why? |
| 08:54.35 | Kebinusan | Because only godless commies speak other languages |
| 08:54.41 | Cartas | Communism = good. |
| 08:54.43 | Cartas | I'm fine with that! |
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| 08:57.01 | Neebler | english needs to be revised. thiers too many words that sounds that are the same, but have different meanings |
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| 08:57.11 | ckknight | Capitalism = good |
| 08:57.30 | Wobin | English is as pure as a cribhouse whore |
| 08:58.20 | Cartas | English is crap, yeh. |
| 08:58.21 | oxman | clad|sleep have a key for the beta ='( |
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| 09:02.21 | CIA-17 | 03elkano * r14165 10ElkBuffBar/ElkBuffBar.lua: |
| 09:02.21 | CIA-17 | ElkBuffBar |
| 09:02.21 | CIA-17 | - added some debug to catch that anchor bug |
| 09:02.46 | Mikma | Grid is coming soon! ;) |
| 09:03.50 | ckknight | I'm pro-Esperanto |
| 09:04.00 | ckknight | well, the idea of it at least |
| 09:04.12 | ckknight | I like how cold is just un-warm |
| 09:04.20 | Mikma | pro-espresso <3 |
| 09:04.31 | Elkano | hmm, someone in here was always poking me to look after that bug but I can't remember who it was :/ |
| 09:04.36 | ckknight | varma kaj malvarma => warm and cold |
| 09:04.55 | ckknight | amiko kaj malamiko => friend and enemy |
| 09:05.31 | ckknight | a lot easier to learn new words and such |
| 09:05.37 | ckknight | cause there's so few base words |
| 09:05.57 | ckknight | just cause complex words either aren't needed or can be formed by a combination of base words and prefixes |
| 09:06.36 | ckknight | and there's a direct correlation between nouns, verbs, and adjectives |
| 09:07.04 | ckknight | i.e. same base word with a different suffix |
| 09:07.38 | ckknight | sukero, sukeri, sukera => sugar (n), to add sugar (v), sugary (adj) |
| 09:08.02 | ckknight | it's the simplicity of the language as well as the lack of exceptions within the language that make it nice |
| 09:08.06 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 09:08.08 | Elkano | well, off for lecture... l8erz... |
| 09:08.13 | ckknight | cya, Elkano |
| 09:08.50 | oxman | wowwiki still not update :p |
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| 09:11.25 | `-FISKER_Q | :(( |
| 09:11.28 | `-FISKER_Q | I lost my internets |
| 09:11.31 | `-FISKER_Q | poor me |
| 09:11.45 | Kameril | so, hrm, i have ~580 icon paths, is it worth memoize all of them? sigh |
| 09:12.08 | Wobin | Are you chatting on IRC by whistling down the phoneline, Fisker? |
| 09:12.26 | ckknight | Kameril, hrm, could be worthwhile... |
| 09:12.42 | Greywind | ohnoes! poor `-FISKER_Q |
| 09:12.55 | `-FISKER_Q | yeah |
| 09:13.04 | `-FISKER_Q | probably lost a level on that or something like that |
| 09:13.52 | `-FISKER_Q | anyone know a batch .tga converter btw? |
| 09:14.53 | Kameril | xnview can batch convert a ton of different formats, including tga, of course |
| 09:16.21 | `-FISKER_Q | awesomeness |
| 09:16.31 | `-FISKER_Q | but i'm just stupid |
| 09:16.36 | `-FISKER_Q | just saw irfanview could as well |
| 09:16.37 | `-FISKER_Q | :P |
| 09:17.18 | `-FISKER_Q | anywhere i can batchupload a lot of files to a host? |
| 09:17.25 | `-FISKER_Q | :P |
| 09:17.44 | CIA-17 | 03flyflame * r14166 10BigWigs/ (Naxxramas/Kelthuzad.lua Naxxramas/Sapphiron.lua ZG/Jindo.lua): BigWigs: update Jindo Sapphiron Kelthuzad zhCN locales |
| 09:19.42 | Neebler | irfanview > * |
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| 09:20.07 | Neebler | vlcmediaplayer > * |
| 09:21.11 | `-FISKER_Q | :) |
| 09:21.27 | nevcairiel | mediaplayerclassic > vlc |
| 09:22.05 | Meiun | mplayer! :< |
| 09:22.24 | haste | mplayer > MPUI > * |
| 09:24.27 | nevcairiel | i need a good hosting web interface, which works on gentoo, anyone ? :) |
| 09:25.31 | `-FISKER_Q | lol @ photobucket |
| 09:25.41 | `-FISKER_Q | their own site has "exceeded bandwitdh" |
| 09:25.51 | `-FISKER_Q | oh wait |
| 09:26.00 | `-FISKER_Q | just their page that's a bit confusing |
| 09:26.00 | `-FISKER_Q | :P |
| 09:26.22 | `-FISKER_Q | i'm swearing about having to use firefox to batch upload though :/ |
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| 09:30.17 | DarkImakuni | AceLocale 2.2? |
| 09:31.14 | ckknight | yep. |
| 09:31.42 | nevcairiel | yay, three versions now |
| 09:32.08 | Wobin | what are the advantages of 2.2? |
| 09:32.32 | oxman | nothing ;) (ckknight :p) |
| 09:32.47 | Wobin | hehe, it should translate all languages into Esperanto |
| 09:32.49 | ckknight | Wobin, see the wiki page |
| 09:32.55 | Wobin | then into the respective languae |
| 09:33.22 | ckknight | basically, AL-2.2 is more efficient |
| 09:33.26 | Greywind | Babble-Spell-2.1\Babble-Spell-2.1.lua:3054: AceLocale-2.1: Improper translation exists. "Polymorph: Turtle" is likely misspelled for locale zhCN. |
| 09:33.30 | ckknight | and it supports dynamic locales |
| 09:33.38 | Greywind | anyone know zhCN :P? |
| 09:33.48 | Wobin | I can -try- =P |
| 09:33.55 | Greywind | what are dynamic locales? |
| 09:34.03 | Wobin | If you can get me a unicode to chinese converter =P |
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| 09:34.51 | ckknight | Greywind, dynamic switching of locales |
| 09:35.11 | Wobin | ... |
| 09:35.18 | Wobin | Well the characters are right... |
| 09:35.19 | DarkImakuni | Will the efficient-ness in AL 2.2 be backported to 2.0, or will 2.0 be depreciated in preferance to 2.2? |
| 09:35.42 | Wobin | what does that error indicate, though? |
| 09:36.15 | Greywind | 2.0 will be deprecated i hope |
| 09:36.26 | Greywind | I'm not sure wobin |
| 09:36.53 | Wobin | ck? |
| 09:37.14 | Wobin | Is that indicating there isn't a Polymorph turtle in the base translation? |
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| 09:39.10 | Greywind | i think so wobin, i couldnt find it anyway in the base translation |
| 09:39.41 | Greywind | only polymorph there is regular polymorph |
| 09:39.55 | haste | argh, why can't you use a function for usage in AceConsole :( |
| 09:40.13 | NerD` | Anyone can help me with this error : gonffbar works for a day, and since this morning, it bugs :( http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7616/wowscrnshot101706114006mk3.jpg |
| 09:40.37 | Greywind | ah there are a lot of spells in the zhCN translation that arent in the base one |
| 09:41.42 | vhaarr | haste: I'd say the arguments a command take should not be dynamic, and hence usage doesn't need to be able to accept anything but a string. |
| 09:42.07 | ckknight | DarkImakuni, 2.0 and 2.1 will be deprecated |
| 09:42.17 | ckknight | for both AceLocale and BabbleLib |
| 09:42.37 | ckknight | haste, usage is constant. |
| 09:44.42 | DarkImakuni | <Mr Burns style> Excellent! |
| 09:45.51 | ckknight | </> |
| 09:47.42 | XLVII | NerD`, check your queries. |
| 09:49.02 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14167 10ClosetGnome/TODO.txt: ClosetGnome: TODO update. |
| 09:49.43 | CIA-17 | 03greywind * r14168 10BabbleLib/BabbleLib-2.1/Babble-Spell-2.1/Babble-Spell-2.1.lua: |
| 09:49.44 | CIA-17 | Babble-Spell-2.1: |
| 09:49.44 | CIA-17 | - should fix a zhCN error |
| 09:49.56 | NerD` | Sorry XLVII ^^ |
| 09:50.34 | DarkImakuni | Where can I find AL 2.2? It's not in the SVN... |
| 09:50.47 | [Ammo] | it is |
| 09:50.50 | [Ammo] | it's in the TBC branch of Ace2 |
| 09:52.00 | Greywind | Wobin: yup you were right mate that fixed it up |
| 09:52.39 | Wobin | brilliant |
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| 09:55.43 | XLVII | NerD`, which uh.. Action Bar AddOn is in that picture, and what class do you play? |
| 09:55.58 | NerD` | I said it to u in pm ^^ |
| 09:56.04 | NerD` | Discord Action Bard |
| 09:56.06 | NerD` | bars |
| 09:56.06 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14169 10ClosetGnome_Zone/ClosetGnome_Zone.lua: ClosetGnome_Zone: Doesn't need semount. |
| 09:56.11 | NerD` | and I'm a rogue ;) |
| 09:56.32 | XLVII | Are you in stealth or something? |
| 09:56.39 | XLVII | Because you don't have many buttons, lol. |
| 09:57.37 | haste | Well, I want to share statusbar textures between add ons |
| 09:57.52 | haste | so it would be nice to update usage if a new texture was added by a later add on |
| 09:58.03 | NerD` | No i'm not stealthed :p |
| 09:58.10 | vhaarr | haste: validate can take a function. |
| 09:58.17 | NerD` | I've only got 5 buttons dipslayed, all I need |
| 09:58.24 | haste | vhaarr: I know that |
| 09:58.32 | vhaarr | haste: So you'd just do usage = "<texture>" |
| 09:58.33 | NerD` | The others buttons are hidden, and bidded to my keyboard ;à |
| 09:58.39 | XLVII | I see |
| 09:58.51 | vhaarr | haste: And if the given texture doesn't validate AceConsole will print the valid values for <texture>. |
| 09:58.59 | vhaarr | haste: So you don't need a dynamic usage. |
| 09:59.12 | XLVII | Your UI looks really sweet. |
| 09:59.18 | NerD` | Thanks :) |
| 10:00.28 | NerD` | Thjis is y raid UI : http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/239/wowscrnshot100906220207dy2.jpg ;) |
| 10:00.35 | NerD` | Not so different :p |
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| 10:03.24 | XLVII | NerD`, how do you have everything perfectly centered? ;F |
| 10:03.41 | XLVII | I've tried to do it, but I can't get them perfect.. |
| 10:03.57 | Neronix | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/wab/email/ xD |
| 10:04.41 | NerD` | Yes I try to have everything centered ;D |
| 10:05.37 | XLVII | So, you just do it by hand? |
| 10:05.46 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14170 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/Modules/Priest.lua: ClosetGnome_Switcher: Priest: 2 bugfixes. |
| 10:05.54 | Neronix | XLVII: SomeModsParentFrame:ClearAllPoints(); SomeModsParentFrame:SetPoint(<stuff>) |
| 10:05.58 | Neronix | at least that's what I do |
| 10:06.11 | XLVII | So uh.. where do I put that? |
| 10:06.11 | XLVII | ;F |
| 10:06.16 | NerD` | Yup by hand ;x |
| 10:06.49 | Neronix | XLVII: you can't code? O.o |
| 10:07.09 | XLVII | No :( |
| 10:07.16 | Neronix | ah |
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| 10:07.58 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14171 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: Make all the sets aligned in the tablet. |
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| 10:20.33 | yacoob | everyone does! |
| 10:21.30 | DarkImakuni | I can't :( |
| 10:22.47 | ckknight | now whose fault is that? |
| 10:23.27 | Wobin | yours for not sharing the account =) |
| 10:24.42 | DarkImakuni | ~blame Aeus |
| 10:24.48 | purl | ACTION blames Aeus (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 10:25.30 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14172 10ClosetGnome_Zone/ClosetGnome_Zone.lua: ClosetGnome_Zone: Forgot to change the mount check to a taxi check. |
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| 10:28.40 | `-FISKER_Q | does mobhealth 3 work for tbc btw? |
| 10:28.54 | ckknight | did :GetScript("thing") change in TBC? |
| 10:36.23 | DarkImakuni | zomg preorder TBC CE http://www.game.co.uk/ViewProduct.aspx?cat=11144&mid=329725 |
| 10:37.16 | Neronix | `-FISKER_Q: I'd hope so |
| 10:37.23 | Neronix | I don't have an account so I can't test |
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| 10:38.18 | Neronix | There's no TBC-compatible unit frame mods to test with but MH3B might still work |
| 10:40.25 | Dhraga | Hi again all |
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| 10:44.16 | Kameril | actually, i modded aguf to work (except targeting) and using mobhealth3 on alpha/beta and they worked flawlessly |
| 10:46.42 | Neronix | Ah, cool |
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| 10:51.09 | Neronix | Does the repo run svn 1.4? |
| 10:51.53 | vhaarr | yes |
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| 11:00.36 | DarkImakuni | oh noes teh firefox http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35135 |
| 11:00.45 | yacoob | Ooooh, new shiny version of Neronix... |
| 11:01.29 | navv_ | is there an api function to get all the frames attached to the given frame? |
| 11:07.10 | Wobin | GetChildren? |
| 11:08.05 | Kameril | no function that i'm aware of |
| 11:08.24 | Kameril | children don't have to be attached to their parent, and vice versa |
| 11:10.50 | navv_ | no getchildren |
| 11:10.51 | navv_ | and yea |
| 11:10.58 | navv_ | need to use getpoint on children, i suppose |
| 11:11.10 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14173 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: Last equipped line in tablet is gone, added a hint about the star to the tablet hint. |
| 11:12.29 | Neebler | hmm does anyone have BottomFeeder perchance? the addon that was removed from the auctioneer addon pack and website |
| 11:12.59 | Wobin | I do |
| 11:13.57 | Neebler | Could I get you to DCC it to me please? |
| 11:14.15 | Neebler | having a hell of a time finding it via a search engine |
| 11:15.26 | Wobin | mostly cause it's actually under btmfeed |
| 11:16.15 | Neebler | woot thanks, found it |
| 11:16.16 | Neebler | http://auctioneeraddon.com/trac/browser/trunk/btmfeed |
| 11:16.20 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:16.37 | Wobin | oh well |
| 11:16.39 | Wobin | sent anyway |
| 11:17.19 | Neebler | Appreciate it |
| 11:17.51 | Neebler | http://neebler.tetro.net/BtmFeed.zip |
| 11:17.57 | Neebler | uploaded to my ftp for anyone who wants it |
| 11:18.52 | haste | and it's? |
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| 11:20.02 | Neebler | honestly I'm not entirely sure |
| 11:20.35 | Neebler | here's a discussion on it http://norganna.org/discuss/discussion/2733 |
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| 11:22.31 | navv_ | hmm, if i want to do SetParent or SetPoint |
| 11:22.35 | navv_ | do i need to hide the frame first |
| 11:22.37 | navv_ | then do it, then show |
| 11:22.51 | Health | "The addon went thru the AH and looked for 'deals' based upon criteria you set for it and either bid or bought automatically." |
| 11:22.54 | navv_ | ah yes, that did the trick |
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| 11:23.25 | DarkImakuni | brb upgrading firefox to 2.0 rc3 |
| 11:23.46 | `-FISKER_Q | works awesome Neronix :o |
| 11:26.08 | Health | What? |
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| 11:27.44 | DarkImakuni | <3 firefox 2.0 |
| 11:28.04 | Neebler | http://health.yahoo.com/news/167785 |
| 11:28.05 | Neebler | :O |
| 11:28.21 | Neebler | boy I'm random |
| 11:29.08 | DarkImakuni | lol neebler :P |
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| 11:42.36 | Dhraga | Anyone here involved in AceComm ? |
| 11:42.56 | phyber | how do you get SVN to go back to a particular revision for a single file? |
| 11:43.06 | Health | Dhraga: ckknight wrote it I think |
| 11:43.18 | ckknight | yep. |
| 11:43.22 | Dhraga | Health: Thanks |
| 11:43.29 | Dhraga | CK, got a sec ? |
| 11:44.47 | Fritti | phyber: svn merge -rHEAD:<rev> file? (I think, not sure) |
| 11:44.58 | Dhraga | According to http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6353&page=1&pp=10 it's AceComm thats responsible for the FloatingChatFrame.Lua |
| 11:45.00 | Dhraga | Line: 476 error any thoughts ? |
| 11:45.12 | Wobin | hasn't that been fixed? |
| 11:45.17 | Galencia | Fritti: almost s/merge/update/ and that'll do it |
| 11:45.32 | Health | Dhraga: Did you try to update acecomm? |
| 11:45.40 | phyber | Fritti: great, that works. thans. |
| 11:45.42 | phyber | thanks. |
| 11:46.02 | Galencia | phyber: merge will merge in your changes too, which is "probably" not what you want |
| 11:46.06 | Galencia | use update instead |
| 11:46.19 | phyber | oh, hmm. |
| 11:47.04 | Dhraga | Health I have the 11842 revision, I think its the newest |
| 11:47.33 | Fritti | ah ok, I thought you meant for the file to be reverted |
| 11:47.46 | Fritti | svn up -rREV seemed too "easy" (sorry phyber) |
| 11:49.01 | Dhraga | Anyone know when the http://svn.wowace.com/files/ will work again ? |
| 11:49.05 | Health | Dhraga: Last time acecomm was changed was r13962 |
| 11:49.23 | Health | Dhraga: It's http://www.wowace.com/files/ now |
| 11:49.25 | Dhraga | Hmm... got a link to it, cause I cant find it |
| 11:49.41 | Dhraga | ah thanks =) |
| 11:50.07 | phyber | bah, SVN is lame sometimes. now there is all sorts of "zomg, your revision is older than the one on the server. i cannot let you commit this." |
| 11:50.18 | phyber | commit needs a --force-dammit-i-really-want-to-commit-this |
| 11:50.24 | Fritti | phyber: but what do you want to do? |
| 11:50.28 | Fritti | commit a version like the older one? |
| 11:50.35 | phyber | yeah. |
| 11:50.35 | Fritti | i.e. revert all changes from rev R onwards? |
| 11:50.39 | Fritti | ok, then you should use merge |
| 11:50.45 | Galencia | indeed |
| 11:50.47 | Fritti | because your file will be at the latest version |
| 11:50.51 | phyber | I'm on r96, I want to go back to r95. the commit should appear as r97. |
| 11:50.56 | Fritti | first do svn up -rHEAD file |
| 11:51.09 | Fritti | then svn merge -r96:95 file |
| 11:51.21 | Fritti | (ie merge *backwards* from 96 to 95, undo rev 96 in effect) |
| 11:51.27 | Fritti | then you'll have a modified file, which you can commit |
| 11:51.33 | phyber | ah. |
| 11:51.55 | Galencia | if svn doesnt let you do something, its probably for a good reason |
| 11:52.03 | Fritti | put 'reverted to 95' in the log message to make it more clear :) |
| 11:52.08 | Dhraga | Heart... |
| 11:52.18 | Dhraga | Libs or Librarys ? |
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| 11:52.31 | Dhraga | Libs seemes more updated |
| 11:52.48 | Health | I don't use that one because it sucks to maintain all crap |
| 11:52.59 | Dhraga | ah |
| 11:53.01 | Health | As addons tend to use more than just ace2 libs |
| 11:53.13 | Health | Or maybe I just don't get how to use it |
| 11:57.21 | Grey|away | well I'm sad, my guild just split into 2 guilds :( |
| 11:58.14 | Grey|away | 1 group wanted to pvp more and didnt want to be on such a strict raiding schedule so they just decided to leave with about half of the guild :( |
| 11:59.11 | DarkImakuni | my guild did that, but then they merged back together and kicked everyone under 60 |
| 11:59.23 | DarkImakuni | and I was 56 at that time |
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| 11:59.48 | Dhraga | Health: Yepp it works now, thanks |
| 12:00.29 | Health | Dhraga: Hooray |
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| 12:04.51 | Neebler | protip: no burritos before giving birth. |
| 12:04.53 | Neebler | haha |
| 12:04.58 | Neebler | oops wrong channel |
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| 12:05.09 | CIA-17 | 03ammo * r14174 10BigWigs/Plugins/Colors.lua: |
| 12:05.09 | CIA-17 | BigWigs: |
| 12:05.09 | CIA-17 | * Colors module now TBC compliant |
| 12:06.37 | Grey|away | Neebler: lol |
| 12:07.08 | Grey|away | aww pooh servers are down for maintenance, i wanted my warrior to get to 30 :( |
| 12:07.14 | Neebler | http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454846 |
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| 12:08.11 | Wobin | What the hell is wrong with my connection? |
| 12:08.49 | haste | It's tainted |
| 12:09.25 | DarkImakuni | lol |
| 12:12.55 | Wobin | man |
| 12:13.00 | Wobin | WAU is a wonderful thing |
| 12:17.17 | `-FISKER_Q | yeah |
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| 12:25.18 | Josh_Borke | morning again :-) |
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| 12:31.46 | andreasg | http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.jpg |
| 12:33.07 | Mikma | clad|work: btw, porn again. |
| 12:33.37 | oxman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:39.02 | DarkImakuni | lol andreasg |
| 12:42.46 | CIA-17 | 03darkimakuni * r14175 10BigWigs/BigWigs.toc: |
| 12:42.47 | CIA-17 | BigWigs |
| 12:42.47 | CIA-17 | * Removed whitespace from .toc |
| 12:42.50 | CIA-17 | 03ammo * r14176 10oRA2/ (Optional/MainTank.lua Participant/CoolDown.lua): |
| 12:42.50 | CIA-17 | oRA2: |
| 12:42.50 | CIA-17 | * deDE update in particpant CoolDown.lua |
| 12:42.50 | CIA-17 | * Added hiding/showing of MT numbers and tooltips to maintank module |
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| 12:48.46 | Wobin | hm, that's q09q09 seems to have a grip on a whole lot of chinese localisations |
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| 12:52.39 | Wobin | hm, how do I delay loading of my addon til everything's loaded? |
| 12:53.45 | DarkImakuni | call it zzAddOn? |
| 12:53.52 | Wobin | er |
| 12:54.04 | Wobin | I guess |
| 12:54.13 | Wobin | I was hoping for something a bit more practical =P |
| 12:54.22 | DarkImakuni | no idea mate :P |
| 12:54.28 | Sairen | :RegisterEvent("AceEvent_FullyInitialized")? |
| 12:54.40 | Wobin | ta |
| 12:54.44 | [Ammo] | that will not make it load after everything else |
| 12:54.48 | Sairen | mh k |
| 12:54.50 | Wobin | well |
| 12:54.55 | [Ammo] | but you can execute stuff at that point |
| 12:55.03 | Wobin | I just need to execute stuff once it's all loaded |
| 12:55.05 | [Ammo] | it's also the point where fubar plugins get injected etc |
| 12:55.06 | Wobin | like a bagscan |
| 12:55.30 | [Ammo] | then that event is your friend indeed |
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| 12:58.31 | `-FISKER_Q | so [Ammo] |
| 12:58.37 | `-FISKER_Q | what are you called oon the testservers? |
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| 12:59.59 | [Ammo] | and why should I reveal that? |
| 13:00.16 | [Ammo] | only to be bothered by pesky people who can't properly set up their own addons? |
| 13:00.35 | Wobin | PS, he's cunningly named ommA |
| 13:00.48 | Wobin | No one'd ever guess |
| 13:00.49 | abbat_w | Ammo |
| 13:00.53 | abbat_w | Can you help me ;) |
| 13:01.05 | krka | exactly why do you want to load last? |
| 13:01.05 | abbat_w | I use you perfect addon, bigwigs |
| 13:01.07 | Health | with setting up addonds! |
| 13:01.18 | abbat_w | But you use Fubar mod for making minimap button |
| 13:01.20 | krka | you can never be sure that something else won't load later, from LoadOnDemand or whatever |
| 13:01.25 | Wobin | krka: nm, the event works fine, I need to scan the inventory |
| 13:01.47 | Wobin | and it appears that doing it right on load doesn't catch all the blank spaces, for some reason or other |
| 13:01.52 | abbat_w | Can you say frame name on minimapbutton? I want to control it with Discord Frame Modifier |
| 13:02.29 | Wobin | abbat_w: That icon is autogenerated by FuBar |
| 13:02.37 | Wobin | or really FuBarPlugin |
| 13:02.42 | abbat_w | Yep |
| 13:02.44 | Wobin | and doesn't really have a specific name |
| 13:02.52 | Wobin | I don't believe |
| 13:03.13 | [Ammo] | abbat_w: why? you can just alt-drag it |
| 13:03.14 | abbat_w | I found frame with DMF frame finder, but maybe i was wrong cause i can't control this frame ;( |
| 13:03.22 | `-FISKER_Q | nah [Ammo] just wanted to add you to my friends list :( |
| 13:03.24 | abbat_w | Ammo, also i need to scale ;) |
| 13:03.27 | `-FISKER_Q | unless you're a pesky alliance |
| 13:03.36 | [Ammo] | I'm always alliance |
| 13:03.43 | abbat_w | =) |
| 13:03.43 | [Ammo] | horde are all ugly |
| 13:03.43 | `-FISKER_Q | :( |
| 13:03.49 | abbat_w | Pff.... |
| 13:03.50 | `-FISKER_Q | then i can't ask you for addons |
| 13:03.51 | DarkImakuni | abbat_w: try BigWigsMinimapButton |
| 13:03.52 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 13:04.05 | `-FISKER_Q | only corpsecamp you because <insert addon> doesn't work |
| 13:04.06 | Wobin | anyone use EngInv? |
| 13:04.17 | [Ammo] | oh and I refuse to add silly stuff to suport Lozareth's junk |
| 13:04.22 | [Ammo] | period. |
| 13:04.31 | krka | is there a good way to tell if a target is "talkable"? i.e. an NPC |
| 13:04.38 | abbat_w | DarkImakuni, kk. I found something like FuBarPluginBigWigsMinimapButton. But this name is incorrect |
| 13:05.09 | abbat_w | Lozareth junk? :) |
| 13:05.18 | [Ammo] | Discord* mods |
| 13:05.26 | [Ammo] | created by Lozareth |
| 13:05.30 | [Ammo] | biggest bloatmachine around |
| 13:05.34 | abbat_w | Maybe, but i never see something more functional then discord mods |
| 13:05.35 | `-FISKER_Q | hey ammo my discord doesn't work i'm gonna kill you |
| 13:05.52 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 13:06.06 | Ziegler | by way of dropping dab on your head |
| 13:06.12 | [Ammo] | s/functional/bloated/ |
| 13:06.14 | Ziegler | it will crush you |
| 13:06.16 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 13:06.28 | abbat_w | You wrong ;) |
| 13:06.31 | `-FISKER_Q | btw fortunately for you i only intend to use mobhealth 3 which works fine |
| 13:06.41 | abbat_w | It's nothing if mod uses 1mb memory instead of 10kb ;) |
| 13:07.19 | Wobin | krka: I don't think there is =\ |
| 13:07.34 | krka | any way to identify a friendly NPC at all? |
| 13:07.48 | krka | unitreaction + isplayercontrolled? |
| 13:08.00 | krka | not sure that's enough |
| 13:09.07 | Wobin | well isplayercontrolled isn't very specific |
| 13:09.19 | Wobin | in that it triggers only for pets, doesn't it? |
| 13:09.22 | Wobin | or minions |
| 13:10.35 | [Ammo] | Fisker: I use an assortment of addons on TBC :) |
| 13:10.37 | krka | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitIsPlayer then? |
| 13:10.47 | Wobin | well that returns false for an npc |
| 13:10.48 | [Ammo] | all of them from the ace svn ofcourse |
| 13:10.53 | Wobin | but not necessarily one you can talk to |
| 13:11.02 | [Ammo] | I need to make some adjustments to oRA2 though |
| 13:11.02 | krka | true |
| 13:11.12 | [Ammo] | to make it compliant with the TBC changes for frames and clicking |
| 13:11.18 | krka | oh well, a few false positives is ok |
| 13:11.29 | Wobin | maybe canattack? |
| 13:11.41 | Wobin | that'll at least narrow it down to friendly people |
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| 13:11.54 | Neebler | 6:04am| <[Ammo]> oh and I refuse to add silly stuff to suport Lozareth's junk |
| 13:11.54 | Neebler | 6:04am| <[Ammo]> period. |
| 13:11.55 | krka | i can use unitreaction for that |
| 13:11.57 | Neebler | I'm offended! |
| 13:12.14 | Wobin | Are you Lozareth? |
| 13:12.18 | Neebler | no |
| 13:12.34 | Wobin | You're on your period? |
| 13:12.39 | Neebler | But I've been using his stuff for over a year, and still do |
| 13:12.44 | Wobin | oh |
| 13:12.50 | Wobin | well that's your problem =) |
| 13:13.57 | DarkImakuni | I used to use Discord until I discovered Visor |
| 13:13.57 | Josh_Borke | krka: you should rewrite GRAB for TBC ;-) |
| 13:13.57 | abbat_w | Ok |
| 13:14.01 | krka | all such addons got totally nerfe |
| 13:14.07 | abbat_w | I use Discrod Frame modifier, Discord Unit Frames and DAB |
| 13:14.16 | haste | ouch |
| 13:14.20 | haste | glad I'm not you |
| 13:14.21 | abbat_w | What mod can replace DFM for example? |
| 13:14.27 | haste | simple coding |
| 13:14.28 | abbat_w | haste, why? :) |
| 13:14.37 | abbat_w | I like discord |
| 13:14.42 | haste | You should already see the answer to that question |
| 13:14.50 | abbat_w | And it's nothing for me if load time 30 sec instead 10 sec |
| 13:15.11 | haste | I like to not lag during raids alos |
| 13:15.16 | abbat_w | Also it's nothing for me if mod use 1mb ram instead 20kb ram |
| 13:15.22 | abbat_w | Heh ;) |
| 13:15.27 | haste | I don't care about memory usage |
| 13:15.28 | abbat_w | Much lagged mod - ct_ra ;) |
| 13:15.31 | haste | well, to a certain limit |
| 13:15.52 | Wobin | DFM... what's it do? |
| 13:15.59 | haste | modify frames |
| 13:16.02 | Wobin | Visor =P |
| 13:16.10 | Neebler | visor is very basic compared to it |
| 13:16.18 | abbat_w | Give you ability to change any parameter of any frame |
| 13:16.25 | Wobin | like? |
| 13:16.30 | Wobin | (apart from position and scale) |
| 13:16.32 | abbat_w | Such as border/texture/font/scale |
| 13:16.53 | Wobin | Doesn't oskin do something like that? |
| 13:17.02 | abbat_w | No ;) |
| 13:17.05 | haste | Wobin: not with a GUI |
| 13:17.09 | Wobin | ah |
| 13:17.10 | haste | which you can do what you want with |
| 13:17.15 | abbat_w | No one mod can do what do DFM |
| 13:17.21 | haste | anyway, I don't see the need for doing what DFM can |
| 13:17.30 | [Ammo] | me neither |
| 13:17.39 | haste | all the commands it runs, are small one liners :p |
| 13:17.43 | haste | with a lot of GUI around them |
| 13:17.45 | DarkImakuni | I only want repositioning, Visor > Discord |
| 13:17.58 | haste | it takes more time to learn DFM then it takes to learn simple frame handling in Lua |
| 13:18.03 | abbat_w | What about DUF and DAB - it's can be replaced with other mods, but i create my own unit frames |
| 13:18.12 | abbat_w | And don't want to use something else ;) |
| 13:18.22 | haste | but honestly |
| 13:18.25 | haste | this discussion is retarded |
| 13:18.26 | Wobin | well, that's your perogative |
| 13:18.27 | abbat_w | haste, ahah ;) i think you right ;) |
| 13:18.30 | haste | and I'm at least ending it there |
| 13:18.38 | Wobin | Use what you want =) |
| 13:18.53 | [Ammo] | use what you want, just don't expect support from everyone :) |
| 13:19.12 | abbat_w | I just ask frame name of you mod ;) |
| 13:19.19 | abbat_w | And nothing else, Ammo |
| 13:19.21 | DarkImakuni | Discord doesn't even use Ace :P I only have one mod that doesn't use Ace and that's Telic's AlphaMap |
| 13:19.36 | [Ammo] | abbat_w: there is no frame name |
| 13:19.40 | abbat_w | DarkImakuni, and? :) You die or what? :) |
| 13:19.48 | DarkImakuni | Ace pwns all |
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| 13:19.57 | DarkImakuni | imho |
| 13:20.05 | sergio | this is retarded on both sides now |
| 13:20.08 | abbat_w | It is possible to create frame w/o name? |
| 13:20.08 | [Ammo] | not true darkimakuni |
| 13:20.13 | [Ammo] | ofcourse it is abbat_w |
| 13:20.14 | Wobin | abbat_w: Yes |
| 13:20.16 | [Ammo] | ace does not pwn all |
| 13:20.21 | abbat_w | ah |
| 13:20.45 | abbat_w | So, fubar authors should use names for they mods ;) |
| 13:20.45 | [Ammo] | it's excellent, small efficient addons that get written that pwn all |
| 13:20.54 | abbat_w | Yep |
| 13:20.55 | Wobin | abbat_w: Mostly for dynamically created frames, it's not necessary |
| 13:21.04 | [Ammo] | it's totally not needed to use names for your frames |
| 13:21.21 | [Ammo] | using names will just litter the global namespace |
| 13:21.38 | Wobin | and we -do- try to be tidy |
| 13:21.38 | Galencia | wrong |
| 13:21.40 | abbat_w | Sorry, i think what name of frame it's just like id to address frame |
| 13:21.44 | Galencia | it is *I* that pwns all |
| 13:21.46 | Galencia | eod. |
| 13:22.11 | Wobin | Why don't you ask Lozareth to support frame objects? |
| 13:22.40 | abbat_w | DMF support all frames |
| 13:22.48 | Wobin | Then you can just pass in FuBarPluginBigWigsMinimapButton |
| 13:22.54 | Wobin | and it'll work |
| 13:22.59 | abbat_w | Problem with minimap button created with Fubar plugin |
| 13:23.06 | Wobin | Well no, no problem |
| 13:23.14 | Wobin | as long as DMF can accept frame object as an argument |
| 13:23.17 | Wobin | not just frame names |
| 13:23.18 | axxo | looking for simple bar mod, that will allow me to me make x*y grids/group of button, that can i can show/hide, anyone know a good one that can do this? |
| 13:23.33 | Wobin | axxo: Bartender? |
| 13:23.40 | yacoob | Bongos |
| 13:23.42 | Wobin | Otherwise, Visor, but that's not so 'simple' |
| 13:23.53 | [Ammo] | Bartender2 works in TBC :p |
| 13:23.55 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 13:24.02 | [Ammo] | (with the TBC branch of Ace2 ofcourse) |
| 13:24.25 | Galencia | would be nice if bartender supported custom bar sizes |
| 13:24.48 | axxo | Wobin: ok thanks i'll try it |
| 13:24.59 | [Ammo] | Galencia: you can set the number of rows |
| 13:25.06 | [Ammo] | Galencia: and that's god enough for me ) |
| 13:25.07 | oxman | bartender2 can't do that axxo |
| 13:25.25 | Galencia | columns bother me more than rows |
| 13:25.27 | [Ammo] | oxman: it can, but you need to choose your bar sizes right and compatible :p |
| 13:25.30 | Worf | let me guess, no more switching bar pages depending on range and stuff like that? or is that still possible? |
| 13:25.34 | haste | ah, <3 wget |
| 13:25.45 | oxman | [Ammo] and you can choose a grid X x Y ? no you can't |
| 13:25.50 | axxo | 3*3 is ok, the hide/show part is the thing i care most abut |
| 13:25.52 | abbat_w | Ok, guys. Maybe someone meet action bars mods guide? With screenshots and short (or long) description? |
| 13:26.06 | axxo | with a keybind, or other button |
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| 13:27.37 | Iceroth | oh great, 36h maintenance tomorrow: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=61866597&sid=1 |
| 13:27.52 | oxman | only for stupid server |
| 13:27.52 | oxman | ;p |
| 13:27.59 | DarkImakuni | ~cry |
| 13:28.08 | purl | ACTION cries and sobs until he nearly drowns in his own tears |
| 13:28.08 | Worf | sigh - not my server :) |
| 13:28.25 | `-FISKER_Q | i want to know who [Ammo] is :o |
| 13:28.28 | abbat_w | heh |
| 13:28.46 | abbat_w | our bg group was down 36h week before |
| 13:29.20 | DarkImakuni | ~mourn The Venture Co. |
| 13:29.21 | purl | ACTION lights some candles for The Venture Co. |
| 13:30.20 | Meiun | :P |
| 13:30.47 | [Ammo] | Fikser_q: you don't want to know who I am |
| 13:30.57 | [Ammo] | because if I told you I'd have to kill you |
| 13:31.49 | oxman | sic. |
| 13:33.08 | Iceroth | umh, why does fubar_friends/guildfu want to use acelocale-2.2 :s |
| 13:33.53 | [Ammo] | because Elkano made it so |
| 13:34.20 | Iceroth | yea i see but i can't see the 2.2 anywhere |
| 13:34.30 | DarkImakuni | Iceroth: it's in the branches |
| 13:34.42 | DarkImakuni | branches\Ace2\TBC\AceLocale-2.2 |
| 13:35.31 | Iceroth | so this is how it's gonna be? stuff in trunk broken 'till tbc? |
| 13:35.52 | [Ammo] | iceroth: the svn does not mean release versions :p |
| 13:36.01 | [Ammo] | for some addons it's true, for others its not |
| 13:36.14 | DarkImakuni | FuBar_uFriends and uGuild work fine |
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| 13:38.37 | Wobin | Meh |
| 13:38.40 | Wobin | I need a week off |
| 13:38.55 | Wobin | I can't get my mind around PlowKing like this =\ |
| 13:39.11 | Wobin | I get home, I'm too tired to comprehend it all |
| 13:40.23 | DarkImakuni | go to bed then :P |
| 13:40.33 | Wobin | But then PK will never happen! |
| 13:41.42 | Wobin | It's more I need a longer period of time consecutively to get the most out of the project |
| 13:41.52 | Wobin | Rather than every third night or so |
| 13:42.02 | Wobin | Too fragmented. |
| 13:42.12 | Wobin | oh well, night all =) |
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| 13:49.32 | Neebler | hey how come there are no legendary women guitarists, bassists, or drummers? |
| 13:49.41 | Neebler | hmmm |
| 13:50.24 | oxman | lol |
| 13:50.52 | Mikma | <1623> <[Ammo]> Bartender2 works in TBC :p |
| 13:50.55 | Mikma | neat :D |
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| 13:51.34 | Neebler | will you edit it to allow for more than 12 buttons on a bar, since each button can be hotkeyed by the game now? |
| 13:51.43 | Neebler | in BC that is |
| 13:52.00 | [Ammo] | Mikma: Ckk fixed it :) |
| 13:52.10 | Mikma | ckknight: kisses and loves from your fans |
| 13:52.29 | Mikma | Neebler: dunno |
| 13:52.39 | evl | http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20590041-5006002,00.html |
| 13:52.40 | evl | LOL |
| 13:52.46 | Mikma | i think if people still wan't feature like that they can always use Flexbar2 / discord |
| 13:53.46 | yacoob | Mikma, and I use Bongos. Can you convince me to switch? :) |
| 13:54.31 | Mikma | yacoob: yes. if you use bongos you disappoint the whole Ace2 scene. ever thought of that? |
| 13:55.09 | yacoob | *shocked* oh... my... |
| 13:55.10 | moonwolf | mikma, not true |
| 13:55.12 | moonwolf | bongos is fine. |
| 13:55.19 | Mikma | evl: omg omg omg that's so horrible vouce |
| 13:55.27 | Mikma | s/vouce/voice/ |
| 13:55.40 | evl | andre is nothing |
| 13:55.44 | evl | when jordan comes in |
| 13:55.45 | evl | it's death |
| 13:56.21 | Mikma | too horrible to continue |
| 13:56.51 | Neebler | Lozareth is coming out with a Discord UI Builder addon when TBC comes out. It'll be one master options window that allows for plugins |
| 13:57.06 | Neebler | I sure hope some ace developers make some plugins for it :P |
| 13:57.52 | yacoob | Neebler, what for? :) |
| 13:58.03 | Neebler | for variety |
| 13:58.11 | Mikma | moonwolf: everything is fine if person is happy with it |
| 13:58.12 | yacoob | do you suggest embrace & extend approach? :) |
| 13:58.33 | Neebler | I'm sure he'll be making the most of them, but it'd be nice to see some other peoples spins and ideas |
| 13:59.06 | yacoob | Mikma, but anyway, is there anything BT2 can give me that Bongos don't have? :) |
| 13:59.22 | Mikma | yacoob: yes, nevcairiel's support |
| 13:59.24 | pastamancer | round buttons! |
| 13:59.32 | yacoob | yuck, round. |
| 13:59.51 | Neebler | yummy, deviation from the normal |
| 14:00.14 | Elkano | what was the lua 5.1.1 syntax for table.getn? #table? |
| 14:00.34 | Neebler | round/hexidecimal/octagnal/triangular/slanted buttons... mmmm |
| 14:00.38 | yacoob | but I don't care about being nonstandard, I care about it being usable and easy on eyes ;) |
| 14:00.46 | Neebler | did I just say hexidecimal? hmmm scratch that |
| 14:00.59 | yacoob | octadecimal |
| 14:01.00 | yacoob | truly evil |
| 14:01.14 | Neebler | octagonal |
| 14:01.23 | yacoob | octadecimal - 18 sides :P |
| 14:01.31 | Neebler | :O |
| 14:01.41 | DarkImakuni | evl: my ears! oh how they bleed! |
| 14:01.43 | Neebler | whats a stop sign called. with 5 signs? I cant think right now |
| 14:01.51 | Neebler | 5 edges not signs |
| 14:01.57 | Neebler | ok that seals the deal. sleep it is |
| 14:02.02 | DarkImakuni | Neebler: pentagonal :P |
| 14:03.42 | Health | Hexa! |
| 14:03.47 | Health | Neebler! |
| 14:03.52 | Neebler | anyways. someone should make some nice pentagonal, slanted, and other cool various shape graphics, as an addon for BarTender2. Aside from the round ones that are available now |
| 14:03.55 | Health | Not! |
| 14:04.32 | Health | That's 6 |
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| 14:05.46 | Neebler | check out the sexy button masks shown here: http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/showUI.pl?msgnum=819 |
| 14:05.54 | Neebler | glossy goodness |
| 14:06.06 | pastamancer | Elkano: table.maxn()? |
| 14:06.59 | Mikma | Neebler: make one |
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| 14:07.24 | Galencia | Neebler: thats quite possible the ugliest shit ive ever seen :) |
| 14:07.38 | abbat_w | =) |
| 14:07.42 | Neebler | most of the UI is yea, but the mask over the buttons is hot |
| 14:07.50 | DarkImakuni | glossy in nice, but the layout kinda sucks |
| 14:07.55 | DarkImakuni | s/in/is/ |
| 14:07.57 | abbat_w | Galencia, can you show perfect shit? :) |
| 14:08.00 | CIA-17 | 03elkano * r14178 10ElkBuffBar/ (ElkBuffBar.lua ElkBuffBar.tbc.lua): |
| 14:08.00 | CIA-17 | ElkBuffBar |
| 14:08.00 | CIA-17 | - some updates for Lua 5.1.1/TBC (rename files to test) |
| 14:08.04 | abbat_w | Maybe you have link to nice UI? |
| 14:08.09 | Galencia | the "glossyness" looks bad.. |
| 14:08.14 | Elkano | anyone of you a) having a TBC key and b) mind testing EBB on TBC? |
| 14:08.15 | Galencia | abbat_w: no, becaus ethat would be my opinion |
| 14:08.22 | DarkImakuni | meh, thats your opinion :P |
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| 14:08.47 | abbat_w | This UI is stylish |
| 14:08.49 | Galencia | of course it is, thats why i said "i have ever seen" |
| 14:08.57 | abbat_w | But i don't like glossy-style |
| 14:08.57 | DarkImakuni | Elkano: a) no, sadly b) I'd love to if I could :P |
| 14:09.26 | DarkImakuni | abbat_w: then don't get Windows Vista |
| 14:09.27 | abbat_w | Elkano: a) no, sadly, b) you must do it now ;) |
| 14:09.35 | Elkano | some frinds of mine won 25 keys but they didn't give me one for development... :( |
| 14:09.43 | abbat_w | Dark, are Visa UI is glossy-style? :( |
| 14:09.55 | CIA-17 | 03iceroth * r14179 10IceHUD/ (IceHUD.toc modules/TargetMana.lua): IceHUD: Fixed pet focus bug at TargetMana |
| 14:09.58 | DarkImakuni | yes, Google for Vista Screenshots |
| 14:09.58 | Galencia | btw, whats this about a build in enemy cast bar in tbc? |
| 14:10.01 | Galencia | or build in spell alert |
| 14:10.09 | Galencia | s/build/built/ |
| 14:10.11 | abbat_w | Galencia |
| 14:10.25 | abbat_w | TBC was embedded spell alert like ecb |
| 14:10.30 | abbat_w | was == has |
| 14:10.39 | haste | little trick |
| 14:10.44 | haste | s/trick/tip/ |
| 14:10.49 | [Ammo] | oh noes :( |
| 14:10.50 | [Ammo] | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2677.0;topicseen |
| 14:10.52 | Galencia | so antagonist is useless now? |
| 14:11.01 | abbat_w | Maybe not |
| 14:11.02 | [Ammo] | another notch against the french |
| 14:11.25 | abbat_w | w8, i should find link |
| 14:11.58 | Josh_Borke | Galencia: not necessarily. the built in cast bar only tracks your current target, if you untarget it it won't display the cast bar |
| 14:12.05 | Josh_Borke | it also doesn't track cooldowns or buffs |
| 14:12.11 | Neebler | Oh hey, earlier today I was thinking about an idea for a new style of addon. And since this channel is full of people in-the-know about WoW API, I figure I'll ask: |
| 14:12.15 | That1Swede | And it's not pretty.. |
| 14:12.31 | Neebler | Would it be possible to show a picture-in-picture of a different camera angle behind your character in a frame? |
| 14:12.48 | Neebler | like a rear view mirror |
| 14:13.07 | haste | nope |
| 14:13.15 | Neebler | drats |
| 14:13.24 | That1Swede | Foiled again, huh? |
| 14:13.26 | Elkano | but seeing all the new UI stuff in TBC makes mi go *rrrRRRrrr*... the new LFG system sounds fun :) |
| 14:13.29 | Josh_Borke | nope |
| 14:13.38 | abbat_w | Galencia: http://www.discordmods.com/bcui10.jpg |
| 14:14.02 | abbat_w | this is 'enemy cast bar' by Blizzard |
| 14:14.08 | Galencia | weird |
| 14:14.09 | abbat_w | Time on bar - it's tweak |
| 14:14.12 | Galencia | does it work on players? |
| 14:14.17 | Galencia | and does it take into account talents? |
| 14:14.17 | abbat_w | Yep |
| 14:14.26 | abbat_w | Don't know about talents |
| 14:14.48 | Neebler | but just like the built in Scrolling Combat Text they have now. No doubt people will still use addons for enemy castbars |
| 14:14.55 | Galencia | indeed |
| 14:14.58 | abbat_w | http://blog.trustedadmin.net/2006/10/16/blizzard-steals-my-work-enemycastbar/ |
| 14:15.00 | Galencia | it was a question not a statement :) |
| 14:15.06 | abbat_w | this is blog of ecb author ;) |
| 14:15.23 | abbat_w | You can read about blizzard enemy cast bar |
| 14:15.52 | abbat_w | Neebler, i'm still using SCT |
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| 14:16.46 | Galencia | abbat_w: he overestimates his own importance :) |
| 14:17.50 | Neebler | likewise |
| 14:17.51 | That1Swede | Someone needs to reply with a 'QQ'. |
| 14:18.18 | Neebler | all he's saying is he'd like some recognition, or at the very least for them to email him saying thanks or something like that |
| 14:18.35 | Neebler | I wonder if grayhoof got any when they implimented their own version of SCT |
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| 14:19.49 | Galencia | for all they know(and for all i know) it wasnt even his idea, he just coded an addon around someone elses idea or input |
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| 14:22.37 | Galencia | besides, they cant for legal reasons |
| 14:23.13 | Galencia | if they do, they are (legally) admitting they did something based off of hsi work or idea, and opening themselves up to royalty requests |
| 14:23.16 | Galencia | EULA or no EULA |
| 14:23.32 | yacoob | it's only a matter of who has better lawyers :P |
| 14:24.12 | abbat_w | It's not my business, who was first, Blizzard or Limi ;) |
| 14:24.33 | abbat_w | I just answer on question about enemy cast bars |
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| 14:25.20 | abbat_w | And i think this bars can't use talents for calculate cast time. It's too dangerous to give ability to analize enemy talents from mod |
| 14:25.39 | Mikma | andreasg: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5468-ag_UnitFrames.html <- gz |
| 14:27.00 | Health | Huh? |
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| 14:28.35 | Josh_Borke | anyone know how perfectraid does the sticky portion? |
| 14:28.57 | Health | stickylib? |
| 14:29.10 | Josh_Borke | don't see it in the libs directory |
| 14:29.41 | Health | I lied! |
| 14:29.57 | Health | Seem I was mistaken |
| 14:30.30 | Health | I guess PerfectRaid.lua will give you the answer |
| 14:30.41 | Josh_Borke | all i see is StartMoving() |
| 14:32.21 | abbat_w | btw |
| 14:32.31 | abbat_w | someone use PerfectTargets? |
| 14:33.11 | abbat_w | it's work with ct_ra? |
| 14:33.41 | Worf | what is ct_ra? |
| 14:33.47 | Josh_Borke | use oRA2 |
| 14:33.51 | CIA-17 | 03gamefaq * r14181 10BigWigs/ (13 files in 4 dirs): |
| 14:33.51 | CIA-17 | BigWigs: german (deDE) translation updates from filion (thx to him) and some from me |
| 14:33.51 | CIA-17 | - added missing translations for Plugins/Extras/Core/Options |
| 14:33.51 | CIA-17 | - reworked some translations to sound more polished |
| 14:34.33 | abbat_w | oRA2.... |
| 14:34.50 | abbat_w | It's nice, but i have no time to completly switch from ct_ra to ora2 |
| 14:35.05 | abbat_w | ct_ra - ct_raid |
| 14:35.12 | Xuerian|Sleep | No time? |
| 14:35.18 | Meiun | helt ok |
| 14:35.27 | Josh_Borke | abbat_w: there is no real switch from tc_ra to ora2. just remove ctra and install ora2. they both work together |
| 14:35.35 | Xuerian | How the hell long does it take? |
| 14:36.16 | abbat_w | Josh, i have some problems with MT targets with ora2 |
| 14:36.17 | Xuerian | And if you miss your raidframes, get the infinetly better praid |
| 14:36.43 | abbat_w | I think i missread manual but i can't see any MT with Ora2 |
| 14:36.44 | Josh_Borke | what sort of problems? |
| 14:36.50 | Xuerian | MT is included with ora2 |
| 14:36.56 | abbat_w | I just can't see any MT |
| 14:37.08 | abbat_w | I setup perfecttargets and see empty MT targets too |
| 14:37.09 | Josh_Borke | make sure you have the latest version |
| 14:37.14 | Xuerian | Take off teh blindfold then :) |
| 14:37.15 | abbat_w | hehe ;) |
| 14:37.32 | Xuerian | Seriously, it's in there, look through the fubar menu as I have no memory to tell you where they are |
| 14:37.36 | abbat_w | i update my mods with WinAceUpdate (cheer for author this incredible tools) |
| 14:37.45 | Xuerian | There's multiple styles and BEFORE YOU ASK THE REPETITIVE QUESTION alt-drag moves them |
| 14:37.54 | abbat_w | Xuerian, ok, try it again now |
| 14:38.05 | Xuerian | ~congratulate abbat_w |
| 14:38.06 | purl | ACTION congratulates abbat_w on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 14:38.07 | That1Swede | Xuerian, you just blew my mind! Multiple styles? ;P |
| 14:38.24 | Xuerian | I shit you not, That1Swede! Shiny to boot. |
| 14:38.52 | That1Swede | Are you impressed? I'm impressed. |
| 14:39.07 | Xuerian | I'm impressed. Are you impressed? |
| 14:39.15 | abbat_w | :) |
| 14:39.56 | restored | is there no Ace2'd version of Visor ? |
| 14:41.04 | Josh_Borke | restored: no there is not |
| 14:41.06 | Josh_Borke | feel free to create one |
| 14:41.46 | restored | couldn't code myself out of a hole in the ground :/ |
| 14:42.35 | That1Swede | Why you would want to code yourself out of a perfectly good hole in the ground is beyond me. |
| 14:43.38 | Mikma | "I reject your reality and substitute my own" |
| 14:45.01 | Industrial | http://worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml |
| 14:45.01 | Industrial | haha |
| 14:45.02 | Industrial | :P |
| 14:46.05 | [FH]Birdemani | mikma: i love that show |
| 14:46.30 | That1Swede | Everything's down for maintenance in the world of Blizzard. |
| 14:46.45 | Mikma | [FH]Birdemani: atleast one understood what i meant ;D |
| 14:47.00 | That1Swede | Mikma, everyone did, Adam. |
| 14:49.38 | yacoob | Nono. Everything is working as expected. |
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| 15:00.27 | [FH]Birdemani | does prat work on test? |
| 15:01.14 | Kebinusan | the PTR go up? |
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| 15:04.52 | [FH]Birdemani | beta test i meant |
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| 15:05.02 | [FH]Birdemani | (tapping foot for key still) |
| 15:05.29 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14182 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua: FuBarPlugin-2.0: frFR translation, thanks Jerry! |
| 15:05.29 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14183 10TabletLib/Tablet-2.0/Tablet-2.0.lua: Tablet-2.0: frFR translation, thanks Jerry! |
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| 15:08.51 | CIA-17 | 03nimbal 07Nimbal * r14184 10Buffalo/Buffalo/ (Buffalo.lua Buffalo.toc Buffalo.xml Libs/): Buffalo (branch): saving window position and resetting works for additional buff buttons now. Working on timers now. |
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| 15:13.52 | Nimbal | Hi. Has anyone else got problems updating from SVN currently? |
| 15:14.14 | Kebinusan | define problems ? |
| 15:15.07 | Nimbal | PROPFIND request failed on '/wowace/svn/bin14184', no such revision 14184 |
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| 15:15.47 | Kebinusan | that will happen if people are updating the svn and you are trying to grab from a mirror, the easiest way to avoid it is to not update externals when you update from the svn |
| 15:16.03 | Kebinusan | unless you know an external has changed or the svn is inactive |
| 15:16.39 | Nimbal | Great. And it's the externals I need. Oh, well then I'll have to download Abacus manually. |
| 15:16.58 | Kebinusan | try updating only one folder at a time too |
| 15:17.15 | Kebinusan | just takes a bit for mirrors to catch up when someone commits something |
| 15:17.49 | [Ammo] | if you're doing a mass update while someone else commits it can give you an errors |
| 15:17.54 | [Ammo] | s/errors/error/ |
| 15:18.48 | Nimbal | Yes, it was me who committed changed externals for Buffalo. Normally it works downloading right after that so I have the external in my working copy. |
| 15:19.25 | Kebinusan | Yeah I wish you could do update to revision and have it grab externals @ that rev too, but svn seems to like to grab HEAD for externals regardless of the revision you update to |
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| 15:21.14 | Josh_Borke | Kebinusan: that's because the externals are defined to grab the head version. modify your local version to get a specific version |
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| 15:23.02 | Kebinusan | hmm I'll look and see if there is a setting for that in this svn client |
| 15:23.11 | Neronix | k, time to finish NS2 |
| 15:23.30 | Neronix | Need to fix up the new module spec, finish the deathstimator and polish it all up |
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| 15:26.35 | Josh_Borke | deathstimator? |
| 15:27.12 | Josh_Borke | Kebinusan: you have to modify the svn:externals tag to read something like: AceAddon-2.0-r13000 |
| 15:27.24 | Josh_Borke | with the url at the end of course |
| 15:27.46 | Neronix | Josh_Borke: NS2 plugin that does exactly what it says :P |
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| 15:33.34 | Kebinusan | Nimbal, hmm yeah I See what you mean, that last commit seems to have bjorked the svn or something |
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| 15:36.44 | Neronix | How fast is FF2 compared to 1.5? |
| 15:37.27 | vhaarr | It still runs Gecko 1.8. |
| 15:38.25 | Neronix | Is that a good thing? |
| 15:38.30 | vhaarr | Well, it's stable. |
| 15:38.46 | vhaarr | Point is that both 1.5 and 2.0 run Gecko 1.8.x, so don't expect a huge difference. |
| 15:38.51 | vhaarr | Don't expect a difference at all, really. |
| 15:39.00 | Neronix | How's the memory usage? |
| 15:39.06 | vhaarr | Increased dramatically. |
| 15:39.15 | vhaarr | Thanks to the new back/forward cache. |
| 15:39.24 | vhaarr | (which you can turn off, obviously) |
| 15:39.29 | Neronix | I'll continue to be a defector to Opera |
| 15:41.06 | Worf | and i'll continue using Konqueror |
| 15:41.14 | Bhattu | Lynx FTW |
| 15:41.24 | Worf | dillo for the X |
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| 15:44.15 | Kebinusan | Hmm the last svn commit was 40 minutes ago and I still cant update without getting errors |
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| 15:44.20 | [Ammo] | andreasg: mind if I add miles's TBC agUF to a branch in the SVN? |
| 15:44.29 | [Ammo] | andreasg: because that's pretty damn sweet etc :) |
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| 15:48.32 | CIA-17 | 03kebinusan * r14185 10AutoBar/: AutoBar: Attempt to fix externals for addon |
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| 15:52.51 | Neronix | Who'd like me to add 2 new API functions to MH3? |
| 15:53.12 | haste | with that little information provided? |
| 15:53.21 | Kebinusan | heh |
| 15:53.29 | [Ammo] | Neronix: I thought you were against bloat |
| 15:53.40 | [Ammo] | Neronix: now go hold to your own philosophy or sell your soul |
| 15:53.49 | haste | ~neronix |
| 15:53.56 | Neronix | [Ammo]: the current API function looks a little messy |
| 15:53.59 | cordac | anyone here a scripting guru(need help with DAB) |
| 15:53.59 | haste | aaw, was hoping it was there :( |
| 15:54.00 | Kebinusan | ~emulate neronix |
| 15:54.01 | purl | ACTION adds more debug strings |
| 15:54.02 | Neronix | and it's slower than I'd like it to be |
| 15:54.17 | Kebinusan | ~emulate neronix |
| 15:54.19 | purl | Cosmos is HUEG LIEK PS3 |
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| 15:54.21 | vhaarr | cordac: You've come to the wrong place for DAB help .. They have forums at discordmods.com. |
| 15:54.23 | Neronix | plus, some need something simpler rather than one with every kind of sanity check under the sun |
| 15:54.26 | vhaarr | cordac: But just ask (tm). |
| 15:54.33 | cordac | =) |
| 15:54.38 | [Ammo] | nonono, stop using DAB |
| 15:54.42 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 15:54.47 | [Ammo] | or just talk to Kebinusan |
| 15:54.52 | [Ammo] | he'll be more than happy to help you! |
| 15:54.56 | Neronix | As for what I might add, one is an almost raw DB index (pass name and level, get max hp (or nil) back) |
| 15:54.58 | [Ammo] | he's our Discord expert! |
| 15:55.00 | Kebinusan | I switched to bartender :-) |
| 15:55.04 | [Ammo] | oh damn |
| 15:55.08 | [Ammo] | guess we're out of experst |
| 15:55.12 | Kebinusan | but ask anyway |
| 15:55.52 | Neronix | the other takes a unit id and checks if it exists before giving back the max hp or nil |
| 15:55.57 | Kebinusan | between sprocket and bartender I really havent found a need for dab |
| 15:56.12 | vhaarr | Neronix: Sounds like bloat to me. |
| 15:56.27 | cordac | just a easy one i guess.. but im not that much of a h4xx0r ;) .. I have Bar 1 & 2.. Bar 2 is visible always.. Bar 1 should show up if ALT is pressed.. now.. the bg-padding for Bar 2 should change when alt is pressed |
| 15:56.37 | Neronix | I think the last time I looked at the little tekSupport plugin I made, the current method takes 3ms to run |
| 15:56.43 | navv_ | hmm, lua tables can have tables as keys, right? |
| 15:56.49 | Neronix | slower than the actual calculation stuff iirc |
| 15:56.58 | navv_ | but i guess table equality, is checked on object level, not on content level? |
| 15:57.36 | Neronix | If by object level you mean what I think you mean, then yeah |
| 15:57.43 | cordac | vhaar.. could we pm.. i have a link to somethin simillar.. but wanna kek the chan with my newb questions ^^ |
| 15:57.59 | navv_ | object level as in, even though you create 2 tables that have the same contents |
| 15:58.02 | navv_ | they are not equal |
| 15:58.05 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14186 10AutoBar/AutoBar.toc: |
| 15:58.05 | CIA-17 | AutoBar: |
| 15:58.06 | CIA-17 | - Fix OptionalDeps. |
| 15:58.11 | Neronix | That's it then |
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| 16:00.07 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14187 10AutoBar/AutoBar.toc: |
| 16:00.07 | CIA-17 | AutoBar: |
| 16:00.07 | CIA-17 | - Err, PT, not SEE. |
| 16:00.08 | Neronix | http://ace.pastey.net/1640-14m2 - How's that? |
| 16:00.09 | cordac | vhaarr, alive? |
| 16:00.19 | vhaarr | cordac: pong |
| 16:00.26 | cordac | ping |
| 16:00.40 | cordac | did u see my question? |
| 16:01.42 | Elkano | anyone with a TBC beta account online? |
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| 16:03.24 | [Ammo] | Elkano: moi, but not in TBC atm |
| 16:03.33 | cordac | snurre.. lever du? |
| 16:03.39 | Industrial | Line 262, did I do this efficiently? http://pastey.net/1641 |
| 16:04.13 | vhaarr | cordac: no, I didn't - I'm not the one to ask either. |
| 16:04.22 | Elkano | would you mind to test the latest ebb1 files from svn with tbc (renaming ElkBuffBar.tbc.lua before testing)? |
| 16:04.23 | cordac | ahh.. ok |
| 16:04.57 | cordac | well.. here i go again.. (last time) anyone can help me with a DAB script thingy? |
| 16:05.49 | Industrial | im thinking of making little overlays on all my buff buttons |
| 16:05.59 | Industrial | that acte like statusbars |
| 16:06.37 | Industrial | just some .5 transparent thingy that gets smaller |
| 16:07.25 | vhaarr | cordac: Just Ask (tm). |
| 16:07.28 | vhaarr | Don't ask to ask. |
| 16:07.51 | cordac | just a easy one i guess.. but im not that much of a h4xx0r ;) .. I have Bar 1 & 2.. Bar 2 is visible always.. Bar 1 should show up if ALT is pressed.. now.. the bg-padding for Bar 2 should change when alt is pressed |
| 16:08.24 | cordac | there is a page about a similar thing.. |
| 16:09.14 | CIA-17 | 03schelli * r14188 10FuBar_DebuggerFu/ (FuBar_DebuggerFu.lua FuBar_DebuggerFu.toc README.txt): FuBar_DebuggerFu.lua : added functionality for editing vars, fixed some minor probs |
| 16:09.53 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14189 10AutoBar/AutoBarConfig.lua: |
| 16:09.53 | CIA-17 | AutoBar: |
| 16:09.53 | CIA-17 | - Fix trying to index ? error. |
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| 16:11.31 | cncfanatics | yo all :) |
| 16:11.39 | Elkano | I wonder if the new UI features like eg the new LFG system will be available for everybody. I hope so but I wonder why they are positioned on the TBC page. |
| 16:12.10 | vhaarr | Probably will. |
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| 16:13.14 | Galencia | what do you mean by "available for everybody" |
| 16:13.25 | cncfanatics | non TBC'ers I guess :p |
| 16:13.39 | Galencia | oh as in people who havent bought the expansion |
| 16:14.17 | Galencia | i wouldve thought so, since the client is essentially the same |
| 16:14.21 | cncfanatics | can anyone here post a feature request for me on the US boards in the 2.0.0 thread ? |
| 16:14.49 | Kebinusan | cncfanatics, sure gimme a link to the thread and what you want posted |
| 16:15.06 | cncfanatics | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=978944055F6DF53425EB08C49F8775A9?topicId=15401595&pageNo=38 |
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| 16:15.28 | Vision|Brutti | Anyone know how I can get rid of the sleep icon in the unitframe when I'm in a big city like IF /SW ?(AG Unitframes) |
| 16:15.34 | cncfanatics | "Would it be possible to have a DestroyFrame function (or method that all frames inherit) to go allong with CreateFrame ?" |
| 16:15.59 | pastamancer | Vision|Brutti: that's the status icon, there's an option to disable it |
| 16:16.18 | Vision|Brutti | oki but I cannot get that to work :( |
| 16:16.51 | vhaarr | It's broken. |
| 16:17.21 | pastamancer | which is? I haven't poked at aguf in a few revisions |
| 16:18.46 | Azurewrath | mhm... did anyone update the firmware of a Sony Ericcson Cellphone? That stupid Update-Software with a Flashplayer UI does.. nothing. |
| 16:19.35 | krka | i tried but failed |
| 16:19.40 | krka | (K700i) |
| 16:20.02 | Azurewrath | K700i too here.. |
| 16:20.23 | Azurewrath | i get to the screen where it tells me to remove the SIM card etc... but after that nothing happens.. |
| 16:22.43 | cncfanatics | someone inform me on AceLocale-2.2, please ? :p |
| 16:22.45 | krka | not that i actually needed new firmware |
| 16:23.11 | Kebinusan | cncfanatics, its in branches/Ace2/TBC/Ace2 |
| 16:23.41 | cncfanatics | whats difference with acelocale-2.1 ? |
| 16:23.46 | cncfanatics | might need locales for my addon later on |
| 16:24.37 | Kebinusan | that I dont know exactly I wasnt paying attention when ck explained it... basically new and shiney for TBC but should work just fine in the live version of the game |
| 16:24.55 | cncfanatics | ckknight, u here ? |
| 16:25.29 | Neronix | Are they going to be inviting more people into the beta in the future? |
| 16:25.43 | cncfanatics | doubt it |
| 16:25.47 | cncfanatics | why u need key ? :p |
| 16:26.15 | eternally777 | Actually, blue posts say that throughout the different phases of the beta testing, more and more people will receive keys. |
| 16:26.38 | cncfanatics | they did ? :o |
| 16:26.59 | Neronix | \o/ |
| 16:27.16 | Galencia | yes, they did |
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| 16:37.31 | CIA-17 | 03schelli 07Schelli * r14190 10IceHUD/ (8 files in 3 dirs): IceHUD.toc : Updated all modules to newest version of iceroths IceHUD |
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| 16:46.23 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14191 10BigWigs_CommonAuras/CommonAuras.lua: BigWigs_CommonAuras: Portal syncs should work across locales now. |
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| 16:54.05 | Mikma | ~literal framexml |
| 16:54.06 | purl | "framexml" is "<reply>get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p -- Beta: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/expansion-bc/addonkit.zip" |
| 16:54.53 | Mikma | good |
| 16:56.03 | cncfanatics | ~literal cnc |
| 16:56.08 | cncfanatics | :o ain't working : |
| 16:56.20 | cncfanatics | how does that bot work exactly ? |
| 16:58.46 | Mikma | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2571.0;id=835;image |
| 16:58.48 | Mikma | *drool* |
| 16:59.56 | cncfanatics | what addon is that ? |
| 17:00.17 | cncfanatics | looks god damn great :p |
| 17:00.26 | sbu | ah hm |
| 17:00.35 | sbu | anyone tested forgottenchat tab support? |
| 17:01.05 | [FH]Birdemani | is that dreamchat? |
| 17:01.21 | vhaarr | GIEF |
| 17:01.25 | vhaarr | I'll code it for you. |
| 17:01.34 | vhaarr | Just give me the artwork and frame creation code. |
| 17:01.46 | vhaarr | Mikma: Deal? |
| 17:01.55 | JoshBorke | artwork by bant |
| 17:02.07 | cncfanatics | that ding looks so god damn great :p |
| 17:02.09 | Mikma | yeah blame bant :D |
| 17:02.10 | cncfanatics | thing* |
| 17:02.16 | Mikma | he made the gfx on that one |
| 17:03.56 | lotheac | something wrong with the svn? |
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| 17:04.42 | Industrial | female draenei = win |
| 17:04.46 | Industrial | |
| 17:04.49 | Industrial | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2878581157530631571&q=evolution+of+dance&hl=en |
| 17:05.37 | CIA-17 | 03totalpackage * r14192 10InFlight/ (. InFlight.lua InFlight.toc InFlightDefaults.lua smooth.tga): |
| 17:05.37 | CIA-17 | InFlight: initial commit |
| 17:05.37 | CIA-17 | - statusbar timer for point A to B |
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| 17:07.33 | nevcairiel | fem bloodelfes are great as well |
| 17:08.34 | maia | Industrial: you do know the dance is based on an indian song, right? its even better. |
| 17:08.54 | Mikma | woo! new version of Buffalo coming soon ;) |
| 17:08.59 | Mikma | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2622.msg53303#msg53303 |
| 17:09.01 | Funkeh` | hey all :) |
| 17:09.23 | Mikma | vhaarr: while waiting the graphics, use the original buttons and stuff :D |
| 17:11.09 | Kebinusan | Mikma, whats Buffalo |
| 17:11.11 | maia | Industrial: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5995556455415798282&q=tunak+tunak |
| 17:11.25 | cncfanatics | grrrrr |
| 17:11.27 | Gngsk | best music video every. |
| 17:11.31 | cncfanatics | beta server rebooting, blizz fags |
| 17:11.45 | Mikma | Kebinusan: movable buff-frames |
| 17:12.44 | JoshBorke | maia: why not multiple grids? |
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| 17:14.27 | kergoth | Mikma: ooh, that sshot looks sexy |
| 17:14.49 | Mikma | kergoth: it's mockup :( |
| 17:15.15 | kergoth | still :) |
| 17:16.12 | Mikma | it is seeeeexyyyh and i wan't it to have my babies. |
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| 17:16.16 | cncfanatics | Who here is good at creating good looking stuff ? :) |
| 17:16.22 | haste | http://fuxsake.net/images/games/wow/WoWScrnShot_101706_182954.png << think I should make that the default oCB border |
| 17:16.27 | Mikma | cncfanatics: depends in wtf do you mean |
| 17:16.35 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: try ~mikk |
| 17:16.37 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 17:16.38 | cncfanatics | I'd need some themers for FlexBar2 |
| 17:16.38 | haste | and texture |
| 17:16.52 | cncfanatics | Make button themes mainly, as FlexBar2 as gonna support themes |
| 17:17.24 | Kebinusan | heh, this is kinda neat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdSAYS05iQA |
| 17:17.50 | Mikma | haste: loooooooots of buttons |
| 17:17.55 | haste | it looks pretty hot when it fades |
| 17:17.58 | haste | Mikma: indeed |
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| 17:20.05 | maia | Josh_Borke: multiple frames makes the addon far more complicated to code and to configure |
| 17:20.08 | haste | Mikma: http://fuxsake.net/images/games/wow/WoWScrnShot_101706_191457.png << that's half of it :p |
| 17:20.59 | [FH]Birdemani | wtb ace2 addon child board for beta/bc |
| 17:21.17 | JoshBorke | you could just nest your OO one more lvl and make each instance of grid unique ;-) |
| 17:21.43 | JoshBorke | but not knowing how/what you're doing, i can't really say :_) |
| 17:22.07 | CIA-17 | 03totalpackage * r14193 10InFlight/: |
| 17:22.07 | CIA-17 | InFlight: |
| 17:22.07 | CIA-17 | - Initial commit |
| 17:23.40 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | grmpf.... no such revision 14193 ;-) |
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| 17:27.11 | yacoob | >_> |
| 17:27.15 | yacoob | <_< |
| 17:27.35 | Mikma | ^_^ |
| 17:27.37 | Mikma | v_v |
| 17:27.45 | yacoob | ....<tiny voice> oSkin is ugly </> |
| 17:27.53 | yacoob | *hides* |
| 17:29.00 | haste | yacoob: yeh, thanks for the comment on oCB.. uhm |
| 17:29.54 | yacoob | nono, oCB is fine! |
| 17:30.26 | yacoob | it's just I find people's love for gradients everywhere a bit... astounding :) |
| 17:30.28 | vhaarr | yacoob: I'm not giving you keybindings. |
| 17:30.44 | yacoob | vhaarr, nooo! I'll love oSkin! |
| 17:32.10 | CIA-17 | 03totalpackage * r14194 10InFlight/: |
| 17:32.11 | CIA-17 | InFlight: |
| 17:32.11 | CIA-17 | - Trying to fix externals errors |
| 17:32.16 | yacoob | but seriously, what's the reason? |
| 17:33.56 | DrDre | LF Geek with lots of Network Knowledge. Ive been experiencing a slowdown in downloads, and now when i just went to download a torrent i noticed i got full speeds. My HTTP Downloads suffer from a cap anytime an application that uses the internet is open. Soon as i shutdown all apps, i get 500-600kbs, soon as i open aim or something i drop to 180kbs (use to be 20kbs, its gone up now), however with everything open |
| 17:34.12 | DrDre | torrents still run at 400-500, any clue what would cause this ;x ? |
| 17:34.15 | Nimbal | Does anyone have an idea, why the wiki is not pulling TOC data for Buffalo? It's annoying to look at this "No Toc Data" box although I think I have set the template up correctly. |
| 17:35.27 | DrDre | and 4°•yacoob4•° i dont even use oskin for gradient, i turn it to 0 0 0 0 to make it a clear glass look |
| 17:38.02 | CIA-17 | 03moonsorrow * r14195 10XRS/XRS_BarClass.lua: |
| 17:38.02 | CIA-17 | XRS: |
| 17:38.02 | CIA-17 | - Background bar will now use the defined width |
| 17:39.13 | Josh_Borke | !toc Buffalo |
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| 17:41.20 | Skyboat | anyone else getting PROPFIND errors with random addon updates via SVN? |
| 17:41.32 | lotheac | yes. |
| 17:42.17 | grzesieq | yes |
| 17:42.23 | Mikma | yeap |
| 17:42.33 | Mikma | but when updating again the errors are gone |
| 17:42.46 | Skyboat | yeah it seems intermittent |
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| 17:43.22 | Kebinusan | It happens if someone commits while you're checking out, but I was noticing it a bit more than usual from one of the svn mirrors |
| 17:43.36 | Josh_Borke | ooo,oooo, i bet it's mine! |
| 17:44.15 | Kebinusan | I was having problems with getting those errors even 40 minutes after the last commit, I sent clad a pm about it |
| 17:44.18 | haste | I'm actually really happy with the look on oCB now |
| 17:44.26 | haste | sign that I should complete it soon :3 |
| 17:44.37 | haste | and remove the AceConsole with a GUI that does what I want |
| 17:44.38 | Kebinusan | haste, screenshot? |
| 17:44.45 | haste | /lastlog fuxsake |
| 17:44.48 | haste | first image |
| 17:45.26 | Kebinusan | ah there it is |
| 17:45.46 | haste | I've added shadow to the text also now |
| 17:46.10 | lotheac | i haven't even gotten a single addon updated without getting that error yet |
| 17:47.20 | Skyboat | yay, dropshadow <3 |
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| 17:48.22 | Kebinusan | lotheac, you can hack it a bit by editing your hosts file and setting the IP of svnN.wowace.com to svn.wowace.com, where N is the number of one of the mirrors that seems to work for you |
| 17:49.23 | Kebinusan | More talent updates: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=34986069&sid=1 |
| 17:50.03 | nevcairiel | i must have missed one of those posts, druid talents got resorted a lot |
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| 17:50.49 | Kebinusan | Demonic Knowledge - 3 ranks. "Increases your spell damage by an amount equal to 5/10/15% of the total of your active demon's Stamina plus Intellect." |
| 17:50.51 | Kebinusan | interesting |
| 17:51.41 | yacoob | the oCB is fine, the oSkin on everything looks... well, weird :) |
| 17:52.33 | Skyboat | I've disabled oSkin on all except some very select dialogs |
| 17:52.53 | yacoob | vhaarr, wy no keybindings? |
| 17:53.10 | vhaarr | yacoob: Someone else can do it as a 3rd party addon. |
| 17:53.21 | yacoob | Too bad :> |
| 17:53.49 | vhaarr | Doing it in TBC will be alot easier, so I can't be arsed to do it now. |
| 17:54.26 | nevcairiel | you are a lazy critter, rabbit |
| 17:54.39 | vhaarr | :D |
| 17:54.49 | cncfanatics | keybindings in TBC are paradise :p |
| 17:54.52 | cncfanatics | I love dynamic keybinding |
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| 17:58.24 | axxo | DrDre: 0 0 00 still has a gradient |
| 18:00.51 | That1Swede | cncfanatics, define dynamic keybindings. |
| 18:01.46 | cncfanatics | Setting key bindings to secure frames without a bindings.xml file at all |
| 18:04.08 | nevcairiel | out of combat, i presume |
| 18:04.50 | cncfanatics | ofc |
| 18:05.02 | cncfanatics | wld be easy to make a spam decurse me button if it wasn't ooc |
| 18:05.40 | nevcairiel | yea |
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| 18:14.23 | vhaarr | Anyone know what I could do next? I'm at loss as to what to fix. |
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| 18:17.56 | vhaarr | Guess I'll just retire, then :P |
| 18:18.02 | haste | :( |
| 18:18.08 | nevcairiel | good bye |
| 18:18.25 | haste | vhaarr: tell me how I can have a LoD add on supply textures to the slash command of oCB |
| 18:18.40 | packetlss | is one of the mirrors for the svn messed up? |
| 18:19.10 | nevcairiel | most of the people here wouldnt know, since we use the dev mirror |
| 18:19.31 | neale | occasional propfind errors when checking out from the non-dev svn |
| 18:19.46 | vhaarr | haste: Just make sure you have the AceOptions table available to the outside some way and then add things to it. |
| 18:20.11 | Gamefaq | anyone else getting this: |
| 18:20.11 | Gamefaq | Fehler: PROPFIND request failed on '/wowace/!svn/bln/14195' |
| 18:20.13 | vhaarr | haste: Detox, Bartender2 and more have examples |
| 18:20.18 | vhaarr | of dynamic menus |
| 18:20.22 | neale | yes gamefaq |
| 18:20.23 | haste | I'll have the lib fire an event then |
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| 18:21.01 | Gamefaq | k then i have to wait |
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| 18:25.46 | Kebinusan | Yeah there seems to be a problem with svn5.wowace.com whoever maintainst hat |
| 18:26.41 | Kebinusan | acesvn.gloump.net |
| 18:27.15 | ckknight | cncfanatics, ping |
| 18:27.27 | Nimbal | *cheers on Mikma* Yay! Scaling in Buffalo is now working as intended |
| 18:27.58 | ckknight | Mikma, Bartender2 _does_ need hacking, especially regarding page flipping |
| 18:28.10 | ckknight | that's the only bug I can see thus far, though |
| 18:28.23 | neale | yeah i gave up on bartender2 page flipping |
| 18:28.35 | nevcairiel | in tbc or live? |
| 18:28.41 | cncfanatics | yes ckknight ? |
| 18:29.06 | ckknight | cncfanatics, you pinged me |
| 18:29.10 | ckknight | cncfanatics, asked if I was here |
| 18:29.10 | neale | live, nev, but i haven't used pagemaster in a few weeks |
| 18:29.12 | ckknight | 2 hours ago |
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| 18:29.33 | nevcairiel | neale: only problem with pagemaster, not without? |
| 18:29.45 | neale | yep - shadow priest, so i don't really _need_ the function |
| 18:29.58 | cncfanatics | oh yea, what is acelocale-2.2 for ? as in, what are the differences with 2.1 ? |
| 18:29.59 | nevcairiel | pagemaster is 3rd party, bug pprovos :D |
| 18:30.06 | nevcairiel | +t |
| 18:30.14 | Bhattu | Pagemaster's working fine for keybind paging for me - haven't tried it on my druid, and don't have a shadow priest. |
| 18:30.44 | *** topic/#wowace by ckknight -> http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Server_Status#Latest_Update | Everyone who commits to the SVN, read and sign http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_Rules | Please test AceLocale-2.2 for bugs - http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceLocale-2.2 |
| 18:30.48 | DD|Gwindel | Anyone have a link to a site where I can learn about how to handle special chars (ä, ü and so on) ? |
| 18:30.54 | ckknight | cncfanatics, http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceLocale-2.2 |
| 18:31.03 | ckknight | sorry bout that, laggy. |
| 18:31.18 | neale | i'll try pagemaster again. |
| 18:31.40 | ckknight | Bhattu, with TBC? |
| 18:31.58 | cncfanatics | thanks ckknight :) |
| 18:31.59 | Bhattu | No, not in TBC |
| 18:32.35 | Bhattu | neale had mentioned having problems with it in live |
| 18:32.45 | haste | haha |
| 18:32.49 | neale | yep, shifting in and out of shadowform |
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| 18:32.55 | haste | "We need an add on for this!!" (Loatheb) |
| 18:32.56 | neale | we need #wowace-tbc |
| 18:33.18 | haste | "I just cough on VT, and say: put the pots in the order you have to, in your bag! and keep it open.. add on done!" |
| 18:33.23 | nevcairiel | ckknight: is AL-2.2 only TBC or both? |
| 18:33.40 | haste | and people actually go: Wow! that was a nice tip |
| 18:33.41 | haste | shrugs |
| 18:34.09 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:34.27 | haste | sometimes I wonder about how people think :p |
| 18:34.35 | nevcairiel | they do think? |
| 18:34.44 | haste | Well, it's one less guild add on to write :p |
| 18:36.32 | cncfanatics | wowwiki down ? |
| 18:36.43 | DD|Gwindel | yeh, seems wowwiki is down |
| 18:36.50 | nevcairiel | doesnt work here either |
| 18:36.50 | cncfanatics | bleh |
| 18:37.04 | DD|Gwindel | anyone know how to handle the letter ä in addons? |
| 18:37.15 | DD|Gwindel | I believe I have to write the code for it somehow ? |
| 18:37.17 | Nimbal | Not down, just darn slow. Try reloading the pages, eventually it works |
| 18:37.20 | nevcairiel | escape it |
| 18:37.39 | nevcairiel | lua utf8 escape tool :D http://black-fraternity.de/lua/utf8converter.php |
| 18:37.48 | DD|Gwindel | thx :) |
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| 18:40.10 | Neronix | Is XAD discontinued? |
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| 18:41.37 | cncfanatics | ckknight, got a clue when patch days are on Beta realms ? |
| 18:42.12 | [Ammo] | same as normal realms afaik |
| 18:42.17 | [Ammo] | 'or when we need em' |
| 18:43.45 | cncfanatics | well, us realms were suposed to patch today right ? |
| 18:43.48 | cncfanatics | didnt get any patch |
| 18:44.55 | eternally777 | Sigh.. Server maint is taking so long :-( |
| 18:45.39 | Nimbal | Does anyone know how to prevent FontString objects from scaling when their parent's SetScale is called? FontSize doesn't change, GetHeight() outputs aren't promising neither. :-/ |
| 18:46.37 | ckknight | nevcairiel, both. |
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| 18:49.32 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r14196 10Ace2/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ace2 - added frFR to AceAddon, AceConsole, AceDB, and AceDebug |
| 18:49.48 | Astronot | I got this in a UI comment, anyone know what it says? "áëÿ ïèäàðàçû íèõóÿ íè àäèí àääîí íå ïàøåò ñóêè âû !!!" |
| 18:50.03 | cncfanatics | it says u need to get a version of WoW in english |
| 18:50.14 | cncfanatics | or a better editor that supports utf :p |
| 18:50.18 | ckknight | Ace2 now has deDE, frFR, and koKR support |
| 18:51.38 | ckknight | yea, I'd much prefer people to _not_ escape their utf-8 strings |
| 18:51.48 | ckknight | instead just use the proper string itself with the funky symbols |
| 18:51.55 | ckknight | much easier to debug |
| 18:52.51 | Skyboat | hmmm, oSkin is still broken |
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| 18:54.57 | Neronix | Ok, this is funky |
| 18:55.04 | Neronix | XAD doesn't show any buttons |
| 18:55.21 | Neronix | I can only see the red marker thing that comes up when it's unlocked |
| 18:55.24 | Astronot | I don't understand |
| 18:55.25 | vhaarr | It's not supposed to. |
| 18:55.34 | vhaarr | Neronix: You have to drag stuff to it first. |
| 18:55.51 | Neronix | I see |
| 18:56.03 | Neronix | Just that the last time I used it, everything was already there |
| 19:00.18 | cncfanatics | wooohooo, button grouping is working for flexbar2 now, it seems :) |
| 19:02.27 | Industrial | \o/ |
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| 19:11.56 | evl | Do you still get minimap buttons if you don't have fubar if you use oRa2 or BigWigs? |
| 19:12.21 | haste | Probably |
| 19:12.28 | haste | I installed FuBar and remaped my UI 'cause of it :p |
| 19:12.32 | haste | annoyed the hell out of me |
| 19:12.47 | kergoth | you do.. most standalone fubarplugin addons do let you hide the minimap button though.. or should.. |
| 19:13.32 | cncfanatics | small question about the wow UI, can only one frame be dragged at once ? |
| 19:13.38 | cncfanatics | are can multiple frames be dragged at the same time ? |
| 19:14.54 | haste | smart anchoring? |
| 19:15.00 | haste | or just an OnUpdate |
| 19:15.10 | cncfanatics | I hate OnUpdate code, hogs too much memory |
| 19:15.14 | cncfanatics | avoiding it at all cost |
| 19:15.44 | cncfanatics | would anchoring it just before calling StartMoving and then unanchoring it after StopMovingOrSizing work ? (thats what u mean I guess ?) |
| 19:16.00 | NerD` | Any Ace WardRobe ? Not ItemRack :p |
| 19:16.08 | cncfanatics | acewardrobe |
| 19:16.15 | kergoth | closetgnome |
| 19:16.46 | NerD` | FFS, my bad, that's was the opposite -_- |
| 19:16.57 | NerD` | Any aCed ItemRack, not WardRobe ^^ |
| 19:17.03 | cncfanatics | haha, kay :p |
| 19:17.19 | kergoth | what are you looking for, exactly? |
| 19:18.06 | NerD` | An aced itemrack, light weithed as all aced mod ^^ |
| 19:18.18 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:18.20 | kergoth | i heard you teh first time |
| 19:18.24 | kergoth | what features are you looking for, exactly? |
| 19:19.12 | NerD` | Hmmmm :x Exactly the same as initial IR but slimest :x |
| 19:19.18 | NerD` | ( Sorry for my english :p ) |
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| 19:19.39 | cncfanatics | ItemRack is quite nicely coded, even if its not aced I doubt it takes much more memory then if it would be |
| 19:20.01 | Bhattu | I've been using ClosetGnome for my outfit management, but it still has a big BETA warning when you load it up. :) |
| 19:20.59 | NerD` | Oh ok ^^ thanks anyway :p keep going for aced mod, I love them ^^ Raid time ! :) |
| 19:22.48 | vhaarr | Bhattu: It's not a beta warning, really, it's more like a "keep the fuck off the forum posting about this addon" warning. |
| 19:22.57 | cncfanatics | haha |
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| 19:23.20 | Bhattu | Hehe |
| 19:23.35 | Bhattu | Well, I'm liking it so far. |
| 19:23.41 | vhaarr | Thanks ;) |
| 19:25.11 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14197 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: Proper menu for deleting sets. |
| 19:26.36 | kergoth | NerD`: why dont you try closetgnome? its been mentioned multiple times now for managing outfits. and if thats not what you're looking for, tell us what you are looking for |
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| 19:32.53 | cncfanatics | bah, I hate anchoring |
| 19:33.05 | cncfanatics | how can I change a frame's anchor without changing its current location ? |
| 19:36.09 | haste | by doing some math |
| 19:36.23 | cncfanatics | oki, maths it shall be then |
| 19:37.32 | Arrowmaster | whats the suggested place to submit bug reports now? for oRA2 |
| 19:38.22 | vhaarr | nowhere |
| 19:38.33 | vhaarr | forums, I guess |
| 19:39.45 | Arrowmaster | ok, was about to post there and i realized that it might be better to post somewhere else |
| 19:40.24 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | anyone here ever used the SetCursor(..) function? it dont work at all for me |
| 19:40.29 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: did you get your answer? |
| 19:40.59 | cncfanatics | doing my own mats atm |
| 19:41.41 | BoltR | kergoth, my guess would be the itembar |
| 19:41.41 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: you could try frame:GetTop() frame:GetBottom() frame:GetLeft() frame:GetRight() and then set point according to those values |
| 19:41.56 | vhaarr | BoltR: SwapMagic. |
| 19:42.08 | cncfanatics | does that always return values compared to UIParent, or to the current parent ? |
| 19:42.13 | BoltR | Who knows then ;/ |
| 19:42.23 | cncfanatics | I can as well use GetPoint if it returns stuff thats relative to the current parent |
| 19:42.44 | Josh_Borke | GetTop/bottom etc return based on UIParent, i'm almost positive |
| 19:43.00 | cncfanatics | lemme check docs, as its drycoded stuff |
| 19:43.12 | cncfanatics | (all GetX functions are bugged & crash wow just after dragging) |
| 19:43.25 | Josh_Borke | you mean in TBC? |
| 19:43.50 | BoltR | I was just saying, that the only feature that itemrack has over CG |
| 19:43.59 | cncfanatics | Also, currently if you re-anchor a frame or Show a frame, you will need to wait up to a second before this function will return the correct new value |
| 19:44.04 | cncfanatics | yes Josh_Borke |
| 19:44.08 | cncfanatics | but its unusable anyway |
| 19:44.15 | cncfanatics | need to wait 1sec after reanchoring before I can use this |
| 19:44.17 | cncfanatics | way too long |
| 19:44.28 | Josh_Borke | why do you have to wait 1sec? |
| 19:44.42 | haste | heh |
| 19:44.49 | cncfanatics | thats stated in wowwiki it only returns correct stuff aprox 1sec after reanchoring |
| 19:44.54 | haste | we're getting the Onyxia buff for Loatheb, and a raid is joining us |
| 19:45.01 | haste | 'cause they think we're going stormwind |
| 19:45.15 | haste | The zip is going to fall apart now |
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| 19:45.22 | haste | s/zip/zepp/ |
| 19:46.29 | BoltR | I don't much like Loatheb as a fight |
| 19:47.32 | BoltR | We've spent 2 nights + the few random attempts the fight night we got to him and got him down to like 14% without using too many consumables/any world buffs |
| 19:47.38 | BoltR | That was like, a week and a half ago |
| 19:48.01 | BoltR | Haven't been back because our guild is too small and we don't ever get a good raid compisition for him |
| 19:48.06 | haste | We started two days ago |
| 19:48.14 | BoltR | He isn't hard |
| 19:48.29 | BoltR | We always end up having raids with 16 healers in it |
| 19:48.34 | BoltR | Which isn't going to work :/ |
| 19:48.43 | BoltR | or more |
| 19:49.03 | cncfanatics | most guilds lack healers and u got way too much :p heh |
| 19:49.16 | BoltR | Well |
| 19:50.05 | BoltR | We used to have have problems with having enough because we had a few who couldn't make it every day, since then we recruited some/some came back/some cleared schedules |
| 19:50.11 | BoltR | So we always have way too many on :/ |
| 19:50.11 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: are you sure it's not you have to wait until the next OnUpdate fires? |
| 19:50.29 | cncfanatics | I'm using no onupdate at all in my code, so thats not the point |
| 19:50.35 | cncfanatics | I totaly refuse to use onupdate : |
| 19:50.42 | cncfanatics | thats the reason DAB & FB1 take way too much mem |
| 19:50.51 | Josh_Borke | no, no, i'm just saying instead of the one second rule |
| 19:51.00 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, quite possible |
| 19:51.10 | Josh_Borke | not that you need an OnUpdate |
| 19:51.18 | Josh_Borke | and OnUpdate is not why mods take up way too much mem. poor coding is |
| 19:51.22 | BoltR | It's not that we don't have enough DPS; we just have alot of people who can't be there every night. It's an older guild and sometimes people have to work night or what not |
| 19:51.28 | cncfanatics | Combination of both |
| 19:51.37 | cncfanatics | OnUpdate is a memory hog even with good coding |
| 19:51.44 | cncfanatics | even worse with poor coding tho ofc :p |
| 19:52.07 | Josh_Borke | incorrect. you can create an OnUpdate that isn't a memory hog by having it not do anything. or you could have it reuse the tables that it had previously |
| 19:52.19 | kergoth | an onupdate does not by definition increase memory. doing something in the onupdate that allocates memory does. |
| 19:52.27 | kergoth | Josh_Borke: :) |
| 19:52.49 | Josh_Borke | they taught me good here about playing nice with memory |
| 19:52.54 | cncfanatics | well, doing if checks each onupdate like DAB & FB1 do, is a memory & fps hog, correct ? (especialy if they're done on the onupdate calls of 120 buttons) |
| 19:53.24 | kergoth | no, an if statement uses processor time, not memory, unless you're doing somethign in it that allocates memory |
| 19:53.29 | BoltR | It's really the fact that we know if we got world buffs and had a good raid on we could kill him fairly easily, so people don't want to go in there and waste shadow pots with a normal raid group |
| 19:53.32 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: if checks are processor time |
| 19:53.32 | kergoth | you need to distinguish between processor time and ram usage. |
| 19:53.34 | Josh_Borke | dangit kergoth ! |
| 19:53.37 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:53.42 | cncfanatics | i'm talking about fps loss mainly, thats my main concern |
| 19:53.56 | Josh_Borke | fps loss is mostly attributed to cpu time being used |
| 19:54.01 | Josh_Borke | in my opinion |
| 19:54.19 | Josh_Borke | that and GC |
| 19:54.28 | cncfanatics | doing if checks each onupdate like DAB & FB1 do, is an fps hog, correct ? |
| 19:55.04 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: depends on the number and complexity. for something like FB i would have a single OnUpdate run that iterated over every allocated frame to see if it needed to run an OnUpdate |
| 19:55.17 | cncfanatics | 120 buttons running one onupdate each ? |
| 19:55.25 | BoltR | cncfanatics, it would be, but and if statement is a pretty quick bit of code :/ |
| 19:55.34 | Josh_Borke | no, one OnUpdate handling all 120 buttons |
| 19:55.38 | BoltR | I guess it depends what it's comparing |
| 19:55.41 | Arrowmaster | use a combination of events or other other things that only get called when something happens to set a flag and use onupdates to do the stuff only if the flag is set, less if checking during the onupdates |
| 19:55.43 | cncfanatics | thats not the way fb1 is coded josh :p |
| 19:55.54 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: i know, but FB1 is a lost cause ;-P |
| 19:56.02 | cncfanatics | thats why i'm coding FB2 xD |
| 19:56.44 | Josh_Borke | there's no way to have nice buttons (with range and cooldowns on them) without having some mod running an OnUpdate |
| 19:56.52 | cncfanatics | anyway Josh_Borke |
| 19:57.00 | cncfanatics | could you rate my current FB2 code ? |
| 19:57.07 | cncfanatics | on cpu & mem usage, if possible |
| 19:57.11 | cncfanatics | i'm quite concerned about that |
| 19:57.17 | Josh_Borke | the best way to do that is through a profiler |
| 19:57.48 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, explain ? |
| 19:57.48 | CIA-17 | 03cncfanatics * r14198 10FlexBar2/ (FlexBar2.lua FlexBar2_Controller.lua FlexBar2_Model.lua): FlexBar2: Finished coding button grouping (partialy drycoded, as GetPoint crashes WoW, so Dragging grouped buttons may be buggy) |
| 19:58.24 | cncfanatics | no idea what a profiler is tbh, :/ |
| 19:58.32 | Josh_Borke | sec |
| 19:58.43 | yacoob | profiler is a tool that can tell you what part of the code interpreter spends most of the time |
| 19:58.49 | yacoob | (yeah, simplified, I know :) |
| 19:59.04 | cncfanatics | there are some for WoW lua code ? :p |
| 19:59.15 | Josh_Borke | yes, look on wowi for LuaProfiler |
| 19:59.45 | cncfanatics | working with TBC ? |
| 19:59.50 | Josh_Borke | i do not know |
| 19:59.57 | Josh_Borke | you can do your own profiling of individual functions easily |
| 20:00.07 | cncfanatics | well, most are too small get GetTime() |
| 20:00.08 | cncfanatics | returns 0 |
| 20:00.10 | cncfanatics | tried |
| 20:00.21 | Josh_Borke | debugstart() and debugstop() (i think) are the functions you want |
| 20:00.22 | cncfanatics | GetTime() at start - GetTime() at end is 0 in 99% of the cases |
| 20:00.54 | Neronix | Wouldn't that be a good thing then? |
| 20:01.06 | Josh_Borke | GetTime is not precise enough for profiling of code |
| 20:01.11 | Neronix | s/good/sexcellent/ |
| 20:01.12 | Josh_Borke | not by a long shot |
| 20:01.33 | cncfanatics | mainly concerned about loops that loop through all buttons |
| 20:02.00 | Josh_Borke | this is where i learned my OnUpdate knowledge: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_OnUpdate_Correctly |
| 20:02.44 | cncfanatics | too bad wowwiki is down |
| 20:02.51 | Josh_Borke | not down, just really slow |
| 20:02.58 | Josh_Borke | which is a pain when i need to pull info from it :-P |
| 20:03.49 | cncfanatics | I use wowwiki each 10sec usualy |
| 20:04.00 | cncfanatics | I use it like a function reference |
| 20:05.04 | *** join/#wowace MuRRe (i=MuRRe@lgh130.fornfyndet.se) |
| 20:05.09 | MuRRe | Hi everybody!!! |
| 20:06.02 | cncfanatics | Hello MuRRe |
| 20:06.16 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | <- wowwiki always open on second screen |
| 20:06.42 | cncfanatics | same |
| 20:06.50 | Gamefaq | is svn broken currently? |
| 20:06.53 | krka | i like to hook debugstart/debugstop to allow for multiple counters |
| 20:07.29 | MuRRe | im getting my Mage to 60, well that is the plan |
| 20:07.48 | MuRRe | and now im trying to find a good UI package, there are two that i find interesting |
| 20:07.53 | cncfanatics | god damnit, luaprofiler not working |
| 20:09.34 | cncfanatics | yo cladhaire |
| 20:10.26 | MuRRe | Easyfrag's UI Compilation and PhotekUI 5.3!! anyone here experience with either of them? |
| 20:11.02 | chrisa | UI compilations give aids babies cancer |
| 20:11.16 | cncfanatics | agreed, complilations suck |
| 20:11.41 | MuRRe | come on |
| 20:11.47 | Neronix | Compilations piss off Strong Bad |
| 20:12.08 | MuRRe | well, what u are saying, if you took YOUR UI and made into a package it would suck!!!??? |
| 20:12.16 | Neronix | Yes |
| 20:12.21 | MuRRe | why? |
| 20:12.23 | haste | /signed |
| 20:12.35 | BoltR | Because it will have stuff that not everyone wants/needs |
| 20:12.39 | Neronix | Because the interface is for the user to construct to his own needs |
| 20:12.40 | haste | I also think it's retarded to write "?!?!??!??!?!" |
| 20:12.46 | Neronix | not for someone else to do so |
| 20:12.49 | Neronix | haste: /signed |
| 20:12.49 | MuRRe | sorry for that |
| 20:12.50 | chrisa | My ui would suck for most people without my frames and the like set up as I've done |
| 20:13.03 | MuRRe | well, thats why u save them too |
| 20:13.06 | MuRRe | ok guys |
| 20:13.24 | haste | and I don't really want to write a guide on how to use my UI :p |
| 20:13.30 | MuRRe | like this, i just found this IRC on the internet where it said if i had any questions about UI comp, i would get help here |
| 20:13.44 | MuRRe | but it was wrong, i see that now |
| 20:13.46 | Neronix | The best thing to do is, look around, take all the addons you need, and arrange them all to suit you |
| 20:14.00 | Neronix | You'll be happier with it in the long run |
| 20:14.01 | haste | and think a little before downloading one |
| 20:14.10 | BoltR | You got your answer |
| 20:14.11 | haste | "Hey, that pirate talk add on would be so awesome to ha...." |
| 20:14.16 | BoltR | Don't use a compilation :/ |
| 20:14.17 | MuRRe | i got one from a guy once, his was AMAZING |
| 20:14.31 | BoltR | I fail to see how that isn't an answer |
| 20:14.34 | Azurewrath | yay, c'thun first kill :)) |
| 20:14.41 | Neronix | grats |
| 20:14.43 | cncfanatics | gz |
| 20:14.57 | BoltR | Yay |
| 20:15.14 | cncfanatics | Josh_Borke, luaprofiler doesn't seem to be able to wrap functions that are in subtables ? |
| 20:16.42 | MuRRe | so what u are saying is THIS: As i dont have time to sit and do it for myself (as i work about 60 hours/week) i shouldnt download a package |
| 20:16.43 | MuRRe | ? |
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| 20:18.06 | Neronix | Setting it up initially would only take 2 or 3 hours |
| 20:18.16 | Neronix | then after that you hardly touch it |
| 20:18.40 | cncfanatics | someone remind me the keybinding to show fps rate with default blizz UI ? |
| 20:18.46 | Neronix | ctrl+r |
| 20:18.54 | Armada|Gwydion | hello can i ask some help to someone on acehook-2.0 ? |
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| 20:19.40 | cncfanatics | ooooh nice |
| 20:19.51 | cncfanatics | I have the same framerate with FB2 enabled & disabled :) |
| 20:19.54 | cncfanatics | (120 buttons shown) |
| 20:20.10 | snurre | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3289 |
| 20:20.11 | snurre | interesting |
| 20:20.20 | BoltR | The big problem with FB1 was all the event scanning |
| 20:20.22 | That1Swede | cncfanatics, it doesn't count if the FPS is 1. ;P |
| 20:20.23 | BoltR | I beleive? |
| 20:20.37 | cncfanatics | counts fps at 0.1 |
| 20:20.40 | cncfanatics | anyway, time to go |
| 20:20.57 | cncfanatics | g'night all |
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| 20:21.48 | CIA-17 | 03gamefaq * r14199 10XAD/localizations/deDE.lua: XAD: Added deDE Translation |
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| 20:27.43 | Kalamadi | Anyone around who could help me with code whose bug evades me? |
| 20:27.59 | Mikma | wheeeeeee |
| 20:28.03 | Mikma | so no play for me tomorrow |
| 20:28.11 | Josh_Borke | ok, so what'd i miss? |
| 20:28.14 | Mikma | seems like Nord is going through 36h maintenance, again :D |
| 20:28.48 | Kalamadi | Anyone? >_> |
| 20:28.48 | neale | you have time to work on mikmap |
| 20:28.55 | Mikma | what's that? |
| 20:28.57 | neale | :p |
| 20:28.58 | Mikma | sounds neat |
| 20:28.59 | neale | haha |
| 20:30.18 | Mikma | i'll fix popsicle tomorrow and watch mythbusters |
| 20:31.13 | vhaarr | does error(...) return? |
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| 20:31.21 | vhaarr | or does function execution continue? |
| 20:31.29 | Kalamadi | vhaarr: Who are you asking? |
| 20:31.30 | vhaarr | I'll look it up |
| 20:31.37 | vhaarr | Kalamadi: The channel. |
| 20:32.07 | Kalamadi | Oh. Nevermind, context went right over my head |
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| 20:33.02 | haste | Loathed down :3 |
| 20:33.06 | haste | s/d/b/ |
| 20:33.28 | vhaarr | haste: yay :) using BWHBA? |
| 20:33.33 | haste | nope |
| 20:33.37 | vhaarr | gah |
| 20:33.39 | haste | they used some other add on |
| 20:33.45 | haste | tank died on 9% tho' :p |
| 20:33.53 | haste | three people disc'd |
| 20:33.56 | haste | only healers :p |
| 20:33.56 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 20:34.51 | Kalamadi | Anyone? ;_; http://ace.pastey.net/1645 |
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| 20:36.07 | Josh_Borke | Kalamadi: if frame on line 5 |
| 20:36.25 | Josh_Borke | Kalamadi: line 6 succeeds because frame is defined, line 9 and 11 frame doesn't have to be defined |
| 20:36.48 | Kalamadi | Okay, I see the problem now |
| 20:36.55 | Josh_Borke | i wonder if this would work: local frame = self.frames[name] or return |
| 20:37.42 | Kalamadi | I need to put the UnitInRange check in its own if..then..else statement |
| 20:37.50 | Josh_Borke | nope |
| 20:38.12 | Kalamadi | Well, the "else" as it is is only supposed to be fired if the unit is not in range :P |
| 20:38.13 | Josh_Borke | oh well, was worth a shot |
| 20:38.35 | Mikma | vhaarr: so you need the textures for DreamChat? ;) |
| 20:39.10 | Josh_Borke | he needs tho code to create the frames :-P |
| 20:39.38 | Mikma | what's the ports to this server? |
| 20:39.42 | Mikma | 6669 and ???? |
| 20:40.20 | haste | there are more then one server |
| 20:40.24 | haste | check the website |
| 20:40.31 | Mikma | whatsite? |
| 20:40.41 | Mikma | forget it ;) |
| 20:40.57 | Mikma | i already posted the normal address on dreamchat topic hehe |
| 20:44.02 | Armada|Gwydion | someone can give me adice on an acehook-2.0 err ? => http://ace.pastey.net/1647 |
| 20:45.24 | Josh_Borke | the AceLiblary("AceAddon-2.0")new is a type ond is actually :new, right? |
| 20:45.48 | FtH|eagle | Armada|Gwydion: RaidGroupButton_OnDragStop doesn't seem to exist |
| 20:46.58 | vhaarr | Yay for people who just say "it doesn't work." |
| 20:47.09 | neale | it doesn't work |
| 20:47.15 | haste | it doesn't work, fix! |
| 20:47.16 | That1Swede | it works |
| 20:47.20 | neale | lol |
| 20:47.26 | vhaarr | yay |
| 20:47.27 | neale | you asked for it rabbit |
| 20:47.28 | vhaarr | ;) |
| 20:47.33 | Mikma | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1837.msg53428#msg53428 |
| 20:47.34 | Mikma | mikma ftw |
| 20:47.37 | haste | nothing beats: Can I ask you a question? |
| 20:47.52 | Armada|Gwydion | RaidGroupButton_OnDragStop exist i only try to hook it when the Blizzard_RaidUI is loaded |
| 20:48.15 | vhaarr | haste: yeah .. just ask for gods sake. |
| 20:48.29 | haste | I usually reply with: you already have, haven't you? |
| 20:48.30 | FtH|eagle | I just searched the framexml folder |
| 20:48.35 | FtH|eagle | and no results |
| 20:48.38 | haste | and then they get confused :) |
| 20:48.56 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 20:48.59 | FtH|eagle | where is that method? |
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| 20:49.37 | Mikma | haste: can i ask you a question? |
| 20:49.38 | vhaarr | Mikma: you win ^^ |
| 20:50.06 | haste | Mikma: you already have, haven't you? |
| 20:50.24 | Mikma | haste: no that wasn't a question, it was scouting! |
| 20:50.40 | haste | Mikma: damn, you outsmarted me! |
| 20:50.45 | Mikma | haste: anyway, wanna have babies? |
| 20:50.49 | haste | sure |
| 20:50.53 | Mikma | k |
| 20:51.01 | haste | Currently playing with c'Thuns pleasure tho' |
| 20:51.24 | chrisa | Lets get on the beta server and make a giant tentacle orgy |
| 20:51.27 | chrisa | I'll bring my trinket |
| 20:51.49 | Mikma | what trinket? :) link please |
| 20:51.53 | haste | yes, and I'll bring my beta ke.... |
| 20:51.58 | Josh_Borke | ;-) |
| 20:52.00 | chrisa | Vanquished Tentacle of C'Thun |
| 20:52.11 | chrisa | Spawns a claw tentacle |
| 20:52.17 | Mikma | you pasted the item! doesn't work in userspecified chats |
| 20:52.55 | Mikma | vhaarr: anyway, you can see that i was pretty angry about that everlasting "6 bars!" -thing ;) |
| 20:53.03 | vhaarr | :D |
| 20:53.06 | chrisa | I mostly just use mine in the AH |
| 20:53.17 | chrisa | I used it on ouro once and got meleeed in the face |
| 20:53.18 | Mikma | chrisa: what's the CD on it? |
| 20:53.22 | chrisa | 3 minutes |
| 20:53.28 | Mikma | aha, not bad |
| 20:53.38 | chrisa | Technically it does more damage than a toep, zhc, etc |
| 20:53.42 | chrisa | If the target doesn't move :O |
| 20:53.53 | Mikma | so it just sticks in one place and doesn't move in a MM2DOTT style?? :D |
| 20:53.54 | neale | don't suppose i'll ever see one now that BC is coming out to render all 40-man instances obsolete |
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| 20:55.29 | Mikma | 10man MC oh yeah |
| 20:55.44 | neale | the point being what - just to say "we did it"? :) |
| 20:56.01 | chrisa | Presently I can 2 man strat, at 70 I wish for that to be 1 man |
| 20:56.03 | chrisa | Just because |
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| 20:56.12 | neale | heh 1 man strat, what class? :) |
| 20:56.28 | Mikma | paladin!!!1 |
| 20:56.28 | neale | ew. |
| 20:56.28 | neale | :) |
| 20:56.28 | Mikma | kekek |
| 20:56.28 | Bhattu | It'd be cool if they went back and made hero versions of the current 40-man instances as 10 or 20-mans. |
| 20:56.28 | neale | was going to say shadow priest |
| 20:56.34 | Mikma | lovely |
| 20:56.39 | chrisa | We do warlock/mage |
| 20:56.40 | Mikma | i like shadowpriests |
| 20:56.48 | chrisa | Since I'm a mage I'd like to mage solo it later |
| 20:56.52 | Mikma | <- shadowpriest IRL lolo |
| 20:57.04 | neale | lol |
| 20:57.21 | chrisa | That means mikma is the last one picked for dodgeball teams |
| 20:57.22 | chrisa | :( |
| 20:57.34 | Mikma | yay! |
| 20:57.43 | Mikma | doesn't matter i still win |
| 20:57.44 | pastamancer | shadow priests make great tanks! |
| 20:57.55 | neale | im struggling to level one to 60 before BC, think im going to go with it as a main instead of my mage in BC |
| 20:57.58 | neale | anyway |
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| 20:59.59 | haste | I have three L60s :o |
| 21:00.09 | haste | Mostly 'cause of work |
| 21:00.39 | haste | Can't really do anything else when you work 15:00 to 00:30 |
| 21:00.45 | neale | yeah i have 4 60's and a 56 |
| 21:00.46 | haste | and 30min travel time one way |
| 21:01.05 | Mikma | chrisa: http://wow.reaktio.net/dodgeball.jpg |
| 21:01.48 | chrisa | Killing blows in bgs doesn't change anything about dodgeball |
| 21:02.12 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14201 10BigWigs_HealbotAssist/BigWigs_HealbotAssist.lua: BigWigs_HealbotAssist: Fix the healer rotation regexp. |
| 21:02.12 | axxo | who do i bribe for adding a praid feature |
| 21:02.21 | neale | clad |
| 21:02.24 | Mikma | chrisa: 0 deaths :P |
| 21:02.25 | neale | .. and good luck |
| 21:02.42 | haste | Mikma: haha, you play to much poker |
| 21:02.50 | chrisa | I see you shadowmelding |
| 21:02.58 | Mikma | chrisa: yeap nelf priest |
| 21:02.59 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/bbgank.jpg |
| 21:03.24 | Mikma | i always shadowmelt when i start drinking and eating |
| 21:03.28 | Mikma | keeps me alive much longer ;) |
| 21:03.36 | Mikma | and when camping at base/flag/something |
| 21:03.41 | chrisa | I'll see your bg screenshot and raise you a http://nullcode.org/~chris/wow/nuru_cthun_55.jpg |
| 21:04.39 | Mikma | but i already pasted my ace in the sleeve :( http://wow.reaktio.net/bbgank.jpg |
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| 21:05.38 | NerD` | Can i change mt target frame color in oRa2 :x ? |
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| 21:06.21 | Mikma | ok a question for sexperts. does any good playertarget -addons exist? |
| 21:06.58 | Bant | hiyo |
| 21:07.14 | Mikma | there we go |
| 21:07.30 | haste | Mikma: http://beverpung.net/images/games/wow/WoWScrnShot_101606_215127.png << combat log |
| 21:07.30 | Mikma | Bant: vhaarr was interested of your graphics for the dreamchat |
| 21:08.02 | Bant | cool |
| 21:08.03 | vhaarr | Not really. |
| 21:08.12 | vhaarr | Mikma: I'd need frame creation code as well. |
| 21:08.23 | vhaarr | I have close to 0 experience with WoW frame creation. |
| 21:08.29 | haste | :o ! |
| 21:08.32 | Josh_Borke | vhaarr: i could try to help |
| 21:08.35 | Mikma | haste: wtf? 8k+ damage? |
| 21:08.41 | haste | Mikma: vanish bug :p |
| 21:09.03 | Mikma | never heard of it |
| 21:09.25 | MuRRe | so anyone here that used SpellbinderUi or PhotekUI? |
| 21:09.25 | neale | 6th in damage, otravi? beaten by TWO mages? c'mon |
| 21:09.25 | vhaarr | Josh_Borke: that'd be excellent |
| 21:09.36 | andreasg | Someone highlighted me earlier on, what was it about? |
| 21:09.45 | vhaarr | Bant: Are the images cut up in usable textures? |
| 21:10.10 | haste | Mikma: first time I've seen it also |
| 21:10.15 | Mikma | vhaarr: me and nevcairiel and ... are interested of DreamChat and there's already a testbranch existing in wowace trunk |
| 21:10.24 | haste | 8000 HP on C'Thun :p |
| 21:10.28 | Bant | no, they were just for show hehe |
| 21:10.34 | Mikma | vhaarr: but we haven't been able to decide the way of doing it |
| 21:11.01 | Mikma | vhaarr: have no fear, Mikk is here! |
| 21:11.17 | Mikma | he's our texturemaster which we all bow |
| 21:12.28 | Cartas | How can I get my BigWigs' minimap icon back, old chaps? |
| 21:12.28 | vhaarr | Decide the way of doing it? |
| 21:12.36 | vhaarr | Cartas: /bw plugin minimap |
| 21:12.39 | `-FISKER_Q | good stuff |
| 21:12.41 | vhaarr | Mikma: What options exist? |
| 21:12.46 | Cartas | Nope, doesn't work, vhaarr. |
| 21:12.48 | `-FISKER_Q | HTTP Status 404 - /account/ |
| 21:12.53 | vhaarr | Cartas: Are you running FuBar? |
| 21:12.56 | `-FISKER_Q | wtb blizzard's account management site |
| 21:12.57 | `-FISKER_Q | :( |
| 21:12.58 | Cartas | '[minimap] is not a valid option for /bw plugin' |
| 21:12.59 | Cartas | Nope |
| 21:13.00 | Mikma | vhaarr: none! it's just an idea of doing the frames with ChatFrameX :) |
| 21:13.02 | Cartas | I was doing. |
| 21:13.07 | Cartas | Do I have to delete my WTF? |
| 21:13.07 | vhaarr | Cartas: Really, then you just found a bug. |
| 21:13.11 | Cartas | Oh |
| 21:13.23 | Cartas | I always do that :P |
| 21:13.27 | vhaarr | If you don't have FuBar and /bw plugin minimap doesn't work? |
| 21:13.30 | Mikma | `-FISKER_Q: i got the same 30mins ago |
| 21:13.31 | vhaarr | That's a bug. |
| 21:13.37 | Cartas | Yay me! |
| 21:13.40 | `-FISKER_Q | we gotta kill them Mikma |
| 21:13.43 | `-FISKER_Q | who's with me??? |
| 21:13.45 | Cartas | ME! |
| 21:13.52 | Cartas | What're we killing? |
| 21:13.56 | neale | mikmap |
| 21:14.01 | Cartas | No way! |
| 21:14.02 | vhaarr | Cartas: In-game, do /print FuBar:GetName() |
| 21:14.03 | neale | lol |
| 21:14.04 | Mikma | `-FISKER_Q: i was about to go and check that did i get a free day when my server was 36h down... |
| 21:14.15 | Cartas | Yes, I did |
| 21:14.17 | Mikma | tomorrow it will be again down for 36h and i'm wanting a free day again :D |
| 21:14.26 | Cartas | It says: FuBar:GetName() in the chatlog |
| 21:14.37 | `-FISKER_Q | heh |
| 21:14.47 | vhaarr | Cartas: It should error. |
| 21:14.49 | `-FISKER_Q | blizzard are a bunch of bitches when it comes to that :P |
| 21:15.17 | Cartas | It didnt' though. |
| 21:16.02 | XLVII | Anyone having trouble getting on to US Realm? |
| 21:16.02 | `-FISKER_Q | even claimed that the whole stupid lag issue on BG3 was just a minor service interruption of 1 or 2 days |
| 21:16.02 | vhaarr | Cartas: Then that's the problem. You have something that provides a FuBar object. |
| 21:16.02 | XLVII | Like, does anyone else get stuck on the 'Authenticating' screen. |
| 21:16.02 | `-FISKER_Q | (That stuff went on for weeks) |
| 21:16.02 | Cartas | Shall I remove the FuBar saved variable? :P |
| 21:16.06 | vhaarr | I don't think it'll help. |
| 21:16.09 | Cartas | :O |
| 21:16.18 | Cartas | What will help? :( |
| 21:16.20 | vhaarr | Despite what a blizzard GM would've told you. |
| 21:16.24 | Mikma | chrisa: oh, oh, here's my joker - http://wow.reaktio.net/legendary.jpg |
| 21:16.57 | Cartas | lol |
| 21:17.03 | chrisa | Hmmm |
| 21:17.06 | chrisa | This may be tough to top |
| 21:17.32 | Mikma | i'll have a picture ready for you already ;D |
| 21:17.46 | XLVII | Who develops HunterBars? |
| 21:17.50 | vhaarr | Mikma: Anyway, you get me some frame creation code and textures, and I'll gladly cook up some code that makes it tick. |
| 21:18.08 | Mikma | vhaarr: what sort of code do you need actually? |
| 21:18.33 | vhaarr | Mikma: Frame creation code. |
| 21:18.44 | Mikma | vhaarr: look from Bartender2 xD |
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| 21:19.06 | Mikma | it has the most easiest createframe ever :P |
| 21:19.18 | vhaarr | Well that's the problem, this is not an easy CreateFrame. |
| 21:19.27 | vhaarr | It's complicated, with lots of UI elements and different textures. |
| 21:19.47 | vhaarr | And for me to code that would be silly, since I know next to nothing about the widget API. |
| 21:20.06 | Mikma | chrisa: hurry up, i have to go like in couple of mins :D |
| 21:20.35 | Mikma | vhaarr: well i don't have experience either from textures |
| 21:20.43 | chrisa | I can't think of anything right now |
| 21:20.45 | chrisa | So http://nullcode.org/~chris/wow/nihi.jpg |
| 21:21.05 | Mikma | chrisa: http://mikma.reaktio.net/havin_a_ball.jpg |
| 21:21.33 | chrisa | I'm not going to battle in non-wow images |
| 21:21.43 | chrisa | I'm at work and my archives are decidedly nsfw |
| 21:22.00 | Cartas | Vhaarr! |
| 21:22.06 | Cartas | It did workeded! |
| 21:22.19 | vhaarr | Cartas: What worked? |
| 21:22.23 | vhaarr | Removing the SV's? |
| 21:22.27 | Mikma | chrisa: but these images are on my server ;D i'm only pasting stuff from there hehe |
| 21:22.28 | Cartas | Yep. |
| 21:22.35 | vhaarr | I don't believe you :P |
| 21:22.38 | Cartas | :O |
| 21:22.38 | Mikma | that has also been my background for long time |
| 21:22.57 | Cartas | I went into WTF/Account/SavedVariables, removed the 10 or so FuBar items :p |
| 21:23.08 | Cartas | then quit the game and logged back in and such. |
| 21:23.11 | Cartas | And it was there! :O |
| 21:23.21 | Mikma | haste: http://mikma.reaktio.net/horny.jpg |
| 21:23.36 | Cartas | That's a bit bad though... the game still thinks you have FuBar installed, even after removing it from the addons directory? |
| 21:24.00 | Mikma | gn now kek |
| 21:24.02 | vhaarr | Cartas: I'm fixing it now. |
| 21:24.05 | Kebinusan | Bartender doesnt seem to like it if I bind keys to shift+1 for example |
| 21:24.07 | Cartas | <3 |
| 21:24.41 | Mikma | chrisa: oh yeah sorry here's a game picture: http://wow.reaktio.net/italian.jpg |
| 21:24.48 | vhaarr | Cartas: err, but how do I remove the icon from the minimap? |
| 21:24.57 | Cartas | Hm? |
| 21:25.13 | vhaarr | I had to do /bw plugin minimap to toggle it off. |
| 21:25.20 | Cartas | Install FuBar, maybe? :O |
| 21:25.40 | vhaarr | I have FuBar, but I disabled it to test the fix ..? |
| 21:25.45 | Cartas | Oh, hm |
| 21:26.03 | Cartas | I just installed FuBar this morning, removed it later. Noticed I had no minimap thing later on! :O |
| 21:26.49 | *** part/#wowace Bant (i=user@209-204-178-86.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) |
| 21:26.56 | That1Swede | Seems people are getting stuck at Authenticating.. did a server blow up at Blizzard's place again? |
| 21:27.47 | neale | ... how are we expected to know that? :) |
| 21:28.18 | Gngsk | omg Authenticating! |
| 21:28.38 | That1Swede | How am I epected to know if you're expected to know, neale? C'mon.. give me a break! |
| 21:28.51 | Gngsk | Back to sleep I go. Had a dream I was flying! |
| 21:29.01 | neale | ~roulette |
| 21:29.07 | purl | ACTION watches neale pull the trigger: Click! |
| 21:29.09 | That1Swede | :o |
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| 21:29.26 | That1Swede | ~roulette |
| 21:29.28 | purl | ACTION watches that1swede pull the trigger: Click! |
| 21:29.39 | Cartas | ~tryme |
| 21:29.40 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at cartas and fires. A whale named Theodore who is the size of a small country flies into the target's face |
| 21:29.52 | Cartas | That's not a death, right? :O |
| 21:30.11 | That1Swede | I'm pretty sure you'd die. |
| 21:30.21 | Gngsk | You don't think you'd die if a whale the size of a small country flied in to your face? |
| 21:30.35 | Cartas | How small of a country, I ask! |
| 21:30.57 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r14202 10BigWigs/Options.lua: BigWigs: Options: Check for IsAddOnLoaded("FuBar") before showing the minimap plugin. |
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| 21:31.32 | Gngsk | even if it was only the size of Petoria, i'm sure you'd die from complication |
| 21:32.28 | Kalamadi | Zing! Family Guy reference |
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| 21:33.06 | Kalamadi | ~seen pastamancer |
| 21:33.20 | purl | pastamancer is currently on #wowace (11d 7h 32m 13s). Has said a total of 445 messages. Is idling for 35m 36s, last said: 'shadow priests make great tanks!'. |
| 21:33.20 | Cartas | To describe the size of something as 'the size of a small country' seems quite odd :P |
| 21:33.25 | Kalamadi | I mean, to me, France is a small country |
| 21:33.45 | Cartas | To Russia, China is a small country! |
| 21:34.09 | Kalamadi | You see my point. |
| 21:34.27 | Cartas | It was my point first! |
| 21:35.07 | ShadoxLX | ~seen mjc |
| 21:35.14 | purl | mjc <n=mjc@c-24-127-197-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 16h 8m 21s ago, saying: 'anyone have a P5wd2-e?'. |
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| 21:44.21 | NerD` | Can i change mt target frame color in oRa2 :x ? |
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| 21:52.50 | Neronix | The Vatican's technically the smallest country |
| 21:53.04 | Neronix | A whale the size of it would definitely still kill you :P |
| 21:57.46 | Xuerian | vhaarr: Ping |
| 22:03.13 | Tekkub | NSFW: http://www2.netdoctor.co.uk/news/index.asp?y=2006&m=9&d=18&id=124363 |
| 22:03.15 | Tekkub | *grin* |
| 22:03.39 | Tekkub | "psychological impact" == it was smaller than his old one? |
| 22:03.54 | Tekkub | wrong coolr? |
| 22:05.03 | Xuerian | bored, tekky? |
| 22:05.07 | haste | hehe |
| 22:05.14 | haste | dueling with 8k HP on the rogue is fun :3 |
| 22:05.20 | Xuerian | haha |
| 22:05.40 | Tekkub | yes, slightly |
| 22:05.45 | Tain | Neverwinter Nights 2 ships Oct 31. I hope it's good. |
| 22:05.51 | Tekkub | mindly horny as well... I need a damn fuckbud |
| 22:05.56 | andreasg | Basshunter in action! argh |
| 22:06.06 | Tekkub | stupid closet married bears are all I find here |
| 22:06.07 | haste | andreasg: haha |
| 22:06.10 | haste | andreasg: I feel your pain |
| 22:06.22 | vhaarr | Xuerian: pong |
| 22:06.23 | Tekkub | and their crappy wives are always around in the evenings :P |
| 22:06.36 | andreasg | haste: well if you have seen what I have seen |
| 22:06.59 | haste | andreasg: I was a the gather in norway in April, they played it aLL the fucking time |
| 22:07.03 | haste | for five days |
| 22:07.14 | Xuerian | Cinedelle agreed to translate |
| 22:07.17 | andreasg | haste |
| 22:07.21 | andreasg | I mean in real action |
| 22:07.21 | snurre | i wanna duel rogues with 40/21 TBC warrior spec :p |
| 22:07.22 | Shabador | Neronix, actually Sealand is the smallest country... It's a freaking oil rig. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand |
| 22:07.24 | andreasg | leaked pics, lol. |
| 22:07.45 | vhaarr | Xuerian: I think she's too late, we already got frFR translations for Ace2, TabletLib and FBP2. |
| 22:07.59 | vhaarr | Xuerian: Which she'd know if you gave her the forum thread link. |
| 22:08.30 | andreasg | It's pretty nasty |
| 22:08.31 | navv_ | is there some reason how frame:GetPoint() can cause client crash |
| 22:08.47 | Xuerian | Well, I gave them |
| 22:08.50 | Xuerian | er it |
| 22:08.52 | haste | navv_: if the frame is a table, and recently moved, and you do GetName() on it |
| 22:09.06 | CIA-17 | 03caldar * r14203 10FuBar_BattlegroundFu/ (FuBar_BattlegroundFu.toc lib/): FuBar_BattlegroundFu: added Deformat to libs and toc as required by GloryLib |
| 22:09.07 | Xuerian | AL2.2 make it into trunk today? |
| 22:09.13 | haste | s/table/Lua created/ |
| 22:09.26 | navv_ | define recently |
| 22:09.44 | haste | I have no 100% sure defenition |
| 22:09.53 | navv_ | have a workaround ? :) |
| 22:09.55 | haste | I've had problem re-creating it |
| 22:10.00 | haste | yes, don't use GetName() on it |
| 22:10.46 | navv_ | dont think i am actually |
| 22:10.58 | navv_ | interesting though |
| 22:11.06 | andreasg | I don't see a need to use GetName anyway |
| 22:11.38 | haste | navv_: would help if you can provide some code :) |
| 22:12.07 | navv_ | well its deep in rdx prolly where the problem is |
| 22:12.12 | navv_ | providing code seems problematic :) |
| 22:12.23 | haste | ah, then you're on your own |
| 22:12.26 | navv_ | yeah |
| 22:12.31 | navv_ | it was working before, which is weird |
| 22:13.24 | haste | just lucky maybe |
| 22:13.27 | haste | it doesn't happen all the time |
| 22:13.53 | haste | It's like a "Chance OnDragStop - Crash client" |
| 22:14.23 | navv_ | yeah this is inside dragdrop code |
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| 22:14.52 | haste | I guessed that :) |
| 22:14.59 | haste | I played a lot with it one day |
| 22:15.17 | haste | but I'm going to bed now |
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| 22:20.58 | AxiumKT_ | hrm, anyone got a second to field a few questions in a PM about SVN? Been using CVS for too long. |
| 22:21.18 | haste | using the channel is recommended |
| 22:21.26 | haste | and _now_ I am going to bed! |
| 22:21.43 | neale | bye haste |
| 22:21.59 | AxiumKT_ | night :P that's fine then |
| 22:22.58 | AxiumKT_ | where do initial submissions for addons go (trunk/tags/branches)? it's far from being functional, but i'd like to have it on the svn to have access to it from various machines |
| 22:23.12 | AxiumKT_ | or is the norm more of "have a first working version of your addon, then put it on the svn" |
| 22:24.50 | pastamancer | well, Grid isn't in the svn yet, but I think that's mostly because we don't want people playing with it until the internal API is locked down. I'm in the middle of making a big change in how status modules fire events |
| 22:25.32 | navv_ | quite mysterious client crash |
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| 22:31.25 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: trunk is the base for all development |
| 22:31.47 | cladhaire | tags are releases, and branches are "branches" of trunk HEAD, basically.. but that's not set in stone. |
| 22:32.03 | AxiumKT_ | ok |
| 22:32.47 | AxiumKT_ | that was my main question, rest of it is pretty self-explanitory |
| 22:32.51 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:32.55 | AxiumKT_ | thanks :P |
| 22:32.56 | cladhaire | i suggest playing in the sandbox |
| 22:33.03 | cladhaire | try out branching, copying, merging, all the fun stuff =) |
| 22:33.10 | cladhaire | helped me a lot. |
| 22:33.32 | AxiumKT_ | yeah I used svn briefly for one project, but i've been stuck in eclipse doing CVS w/ a gui for so long my command line's a little rusty |
| 22:35.59 | pastamancer | I've been playing with SmartSvn to decide if it's worth recommending to some of the developers at work, and it seems to be a nice (although java) gui for svn |
| 22:36.31 | cladhaire | i use psvn for emacs |
| 22:36.38 | cladhaire | only one complaint so far |
| 22:37.09 | AxiumKT_ | I tend to like hanging out in the command line--haven't used any type of version control gui outside of eclipse (i'm on a mac) |
| 22:37.53 | pastamancer | I need to poke around at version control support in emacs. I'm using pcl-cvs at work but I haven't figured out how to check in more than one file at a time |
| 22:37.58 | cladhaire | in normal pracice, is it typical to check in multiple files together, or to commit with true changesets, with multiple files? |
| 22:38.03 | cladhaire | pastamancer: Hahah thats my same complaint =) |
| 22:38.04 | ckknight | back |
| 22:38.23 | pastamancer | well, I've been committing entire changesets through M-x shell :p |
| 22:38.32 | ckknight | I got a pirate costume :-P |
| 22:38.32 | cladhaire | same |
| 22:38.36 | cladhaire | ckknight: nice |
| 22:38.42 | cladhaire | ss or it didnt happen |
| 22:38.48 | cladhaire | so i was visiting some friends in canada |
| 22:39.02 | neale | where, clad :p |
| 22:39.07 | cladhaire | and while i was there, i was taking a picture iwth a camera.. and she said "Wait.. that wasn't a good screenshot" |
| 22:39.11 | ckknight | I need a fake mustache and beard |
| 22:39.14 | pastamancer | oh, and I need to figure out how to make pcl-cvs use ediff |
| 22:39.16 | ckknight | it doesn't look right without it |
| 22:39.19 | cladhaire | neale: it was ottawa specifically |
| 22:39.35 | neale | clad: opposite side of the country here lol |
| 22:40.21 | ckknight | btw, has anybody had _any_ problems with AceLocale-2.2 yet? |
| 22:40.36 | cladhaire | ckknight: Not using it, whats different |
| 22:40.39 | cladhaire | ? |
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| 22:40.51 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceLocale-2.2 says |
| 22:41.04 | ckknight | most important thing: more efficient both memory-wise and CPU-wise |
| 22:41.11 | cladhaire | thanks, tbh i didn't care enough to hunt it down, but was interested =) |
| 22:41.22 | Silv | where can i grab it? |
| 22:41.27 | ckknight | basically just got rid of a bunch of cruft. |
| 22:41.34 | Silv | my fubar_guildfu broke after an update and cant find it on the SVN |
| 22:41.45 | cladhaire | ckknight: How'd you implement the cache? |
| 22:41.46 | ckknight | and added dynamic locales (from AL-2.1) |
| 22:42.02 | ckknight | cladhaire, well, the cache was in 2.0, basically, it just stores values that you check |
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| 22:42.11 | ckknight | so it runs a function once, then saves it |
| 22:42.25 | ckknight | then 5 seconds after starting, it clears the cache |
| 22:42.34 | ckknight | which'll make sure that once-only translations are freed from memory |
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| 22:42.50 | ckknight | whereas critical path translations that are called repeatedly get stored |
| 22:43.02 | cladhaire | any reason you went with a cache function as opposed to a straight table lookup? |
| 22:43.17 | ckknight | cladhaire, because otherwise the error message is fucked up, really. |
| 22:43.22 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 22:43.28 | ckknight | with the cache, it's not a problem, though |
| 22:43.33 | cladhaire | that's the issue I ran into, I ended up putting a _call at the end of the chain |
| 22:43.41 | ckknight | right. |
| 22:43.43 | cladhaire | aye, it serves the same purpose, cleaned implementation. |
| 22:43.54 | ckknight | the end call creates an error saying "could not find translation" |
| 22:44.24 | ckknight | since critical path issues are handled by the cache, but one-time (a la AceConsole) translations are not handled by the cache, it's the best of both worlds |
| 22:44.59 | Silv | is AceLocale-2.2 available on the SVN somewhere? |
| 22:45.06 | ckknight | yes, in the TBC branch of Ace2 |
| 22:45.14 | ckknight | I'm planning on putting it in trunk later today |
| 22:45.15 | Silv | right on, thanks |
| 22:45.32 | ckknight | because there shouldn't be bugs, since it's just AL-2.0 with some things removed and some things added |
| 22:45.32 | Silv | (its referenced in the trunk version of Fubar_GuildFu, broken atm) |
| 22:45.37 | ckknight | which I all thoroughly tested |
| 22:46.56 | AxiumKT_ | hrm, dinking around in the sandbox, and after i made an externals file, updated the propset, and when I did an update it didn't download the externals |
| 22:47.08 | cladhaire | did you commit the propset? |
| 22:47.21 | cladhaire | not that you shoudl need to in this case.. hrm |
| 22:47.33 | AxiumKT_ | yeah at this point there's a toc and a lua committed |
| 22:47.54 | cladhaire | the properties may need to be commited in order for you to pull them down |
| 22:47.54 | AxiumKT_ | and a extern file that has all the libs enumerated |
| 22:48.30 | AxiumKT_ | did a "svn propset svn:externals -F extern Lib" |
| 22:48.37 | AxiumKT_ | and it warned me that Lib wasn't under svn control |
| 22:48.51 | AxiumKT_ | and update didn't pull any libs down |
| 22:51.14 | AxiumKT_ | cd .svn |
| 22:51.18 | AxiumKT_ | mt :P |
| 22:52.53 | Kalamadi | ~seen pastamancer |
| 22:53.09 | purl | pastamancer is currently on #wowace (11d 8h 52m 2s). Has said a total of 450 messages. Is idling for 13m 55s, last said: 'oh, and I need to figure out how to make pcl-cvs use ediff'. |
| 22:53.24 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: Delete the Lib directory |
| 22:53.34 | cladhaire | the directory for the externals can't exist |
| 22:53.40 | cladhaire | unless you'r eputting stuff underneath it |
| 22:53.42 | AxiumKT_ | it was nuked before i made the extern file =/ |
| 22:53.43 | cladhaire | in which cas eyou have to svn add it. |
| 22:54.06 | AxiumKT_ | actually deleted it before the initial commit |
| 22:55.06 | AxiumKT_ | cladhaire: pinging b/c i keep forgetting to :P |
| 22:55.16 | ckknight | I got a new shirt that says "I usually date 10's, but I'll settle for two 5's" |
| 22:55.17 | ckknight | hehe |
| 22:55.22 | AxiumKT_ | haha |
| 22:56.04 | Tain | That's aiming high, I'm ok with five 2's |
| 22:56.11 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: What addon/directory? |
| 22:56.20 | ckknight | cladhaire, another reason for AL-2.2 is to settle any and all political issues |
| 22:56.26 | neale | i'll settle for a 9 and a 1 |
| 22:56.35 | cladhaire | ckknight: I figured that much out =) |
| 22:57.18 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: zomgwtfbbq |
| 22:57.23 | ckknight | another good one is "Why have an 18-year-old when you can just have two 9-year-olds?" |
| 22:58.21 | ckknight | hehe |
| 22:58.45 | cladhaire | ckknight: http://www.teesnthings.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=918 |
| 22:58.46 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:58.52 | Tain | Oh! I ordered my USB Missle Launcher today. |
| 22:59.19 | AxiumKT_ | cladhaire: steps exactly were: 1.) nuked /Lib, svn import "name" 2.) deleted addon directory 3.) svn co "name" 4.) made an extern file 5.) svn propset ... 6.) svn update * |
| 22:59.29 | cladhaire | whats the addon |
| 22:59.30 | cladhaire | i'm on the sandbox |
| 22:59.32 | cladhaire | want to see. |
| 22:59.34 | ckknight | lol, cladhaire |
| 22:59.35 | AxiumKT_ | SpgTools |
| 22:59.43 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: commit the directory |
| 22:59.49 | cladhaire | like your working copy |
| 23:00.17 | cladhaire | you imported to root instead of trunk =), bte |
| 23:00.19 | cladhaire | btw |
| 23:00.34 | AxiumKT_ | hehe :P |
| 23:00.36 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: Let me know when you've commited. |
| 23:00.48 | AxiumKT_ | with the extern file? |
| 23:01.03 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: When you do a propset, its local. You need to commit those properties to the SVN |
| 23:01.06 | cladhaire | that way I can look at them =) |
| 23:01.14 | AxiumKT_ | kk |
| 23:01.55 | AxiumKT_ | sandbox trunk is /sandbox/trunk right? |
| 23:02.00 | cladhaire | aye |
| 23:02.10 | cladhaire | well how about this |
| 23:02.15 | cladhaire | lets start from scratch =) |
| 23:02.22 | cladhaire | this'll be a tutorial which i'll make you put on the wiki =) |
| 23:02.26 | cladhaire | i'm going to delete your copy |
| 23:02.52 | cladhaire | okay |
| 23:02.53 | cladhaire | clean svn |
| 23:03.02 | cladhaire | run svn mkdir http://dev.wowace.com/sandbox/trunk/SpgTools |
| 23:03.10 | cladhaire | then svn co http://dev.wowace.com/sandbox/trunk/SpgTools |
| 23:03.28 | cladhaire | copy any files you have/want/need to that working copy, and do an svn add * |
| 23:03.50 | cladhaire | then do an svn propset svn:externals -F /path/to/extern/file |
| 23:03.54 | cladhaire | then do an svn commit |
| 23:04.12 | cladhaire | (you can wait a second on those last few steps, and we'll discuss how you actually want the libs directory set up) |
| 23:05.46 | AxiumKT_ | mkdir brings up a vi window o.O, what's the command for svn clean? |
| 23:06.31 | cladhaire | the vi window is for the commit message |
| 23:06.40 | cladhaire | you want to type SpgTools: Created directory |
| 23:06.41 | cladhaire | then save it |
| 23:06.44 | cladhaire | it'll then commit it. |
| 23:07.30 | beerke | does ace2 have a gui library ? |
| 23:08.49 | Neronix | not quite yet |
| 23:09.33 | AxiumKT_ | cladhaire: done |
| 23:09.52 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: Heh up to what step? |
| 23:10.06 | AxiumKT_ | through setting externals and the commit |
| 23:11.03 | cladhaire | okay |
| 23:11.07 | cladhaire | the externals didn't get set |
| 23:11.22 | cladhaire | and you can see we've got the stray externals file in there, so delete that |
| 23:11.31 | cladhaire | svn del http://dev.wowace.com/sandbox/trunk/SpgTools/extern |
| 23:11.38 | cladhaire | let me know when that's commited =) |
| 23:12.08 | AxiumKT_ | k |
| 23:12.29 | AxiumKT_ | yeah the extern file was just a result of the svn add * iirc |
| 23:12.35 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 23:12.39 | cladhaire | i didn't think you had copied it locally |
| 23:12.44 | cladhaire | thats why i had /path/to =) |
| 23:13.39 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r14204 10BabbleLib/Babble-Zone-2.0/Babble-Zone-2.0.lua: Babble-Zone - added Silvermoon City |
| 23:14.13 | AxiumKT_ | hrm so what's going wrong w/ the setting externals then? (command used was: "svn propset svn:externals -F /path/to/extern ./Lib") |
| 23:14.29 | cladhaire | ./Lib isn't a directory |
| 23:14.34 | cladhaire | lets start there |
| 23:14.40 | cladhaire | how do you want your externals to be? |
| 23:14.50 | cladhaire | SpgTools/libs/AceAddon? |
| 23:14.56 | AxiumKT_ | yup |
| 23:15.29 | cladhaire | okay, then in your local copy do an svn mkdir libs |
| 23:16.05 | AxiumKT_ | yup |
| 23:16.08 | cladhaire | then do an svn propset svn:externals -F /path/to/extern .libs |
| 23:16.11 | cladhaire | err ./libs |
| 23:16.21 | cladhaire | should then show property 'svn:externals' set on 'libs' |
| 23:16.39 | AxiumKT_ | yup |
| 23:16.51 | cladhaire | now commit that working copy |
| 23:16.57 | cladhaire | message SpgTools: Setting externals |
| 23:17.01 | AxiumKT_ | i think the making the dir w/ svn mkdir libs was the thing missing from the tutorial on the wiki |
| 23:17.45 | cladhaire | most likely, but its good to start from scratch =) |
| 23:18.00 | AxiumKT_ | k done |
| 23:18.51 | cladhaire | now svn update |
| 23:19.45 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: Now the paths are wrong, they're using /root for externals. |
| 23:20.03 | cladhaire | so do a propedit on the svn:externals property.. it'll open up vi.. then just fix those paths. |
| 23:20.37 | AxiumKT_ | hrm, syntax of that? :P |
| 23:20.45 | cladhaire | in the working copy |
| 23:20.50 | cladhaire | svn propedit svn:externals libs |
| 23:21.33 | AxiumKT_ | change those to sandbox uris? |
| 23:21.37 | cladhaire | *shake* |
| 23:21.44 | AxiumKT_ | or just ake out the /root/ |
| 23:22.04 | cladhaire | it should be http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/XXXXXXXXXXXXX |
| 23:23.01 | AxiumKT_ | ok |
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| 23:24.05 | AxiumKT_ | externals fetched |
| 23:24.17 | cladhaire | =) |
| 23:24.22 | cladhaire | now make that a tutorial on the wiki =) |
| 23:24.31 | AxiumKT_ | sure, i'll pop that up after naxx |
| 23:24.34 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 23:24.36 | cladhaire | you dont have to |
| 23:24.43 | cladhaire | but if you feel inclined.. i know the questino is asked a lot. |
| 23:24.57 | AxiumKT_ | yeah I don't mind doing that |
| 23:25.12 | AxiumKT_ | there's a few steps missing from the ones posted currently that need to be there for it to work |
| 23:25.57 | AxiumKT_ | (namely the making the local directory for externals and also Grey's example for the external file says: AceConsole-2.0 http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/Ace2/AceConsole-2.0) |
| 23:26.12 | cladhaire | yeah there are a few ways to do things, but that way will alway swork for ya =) |
| 23:26.21 | AxiumKT_ | cool |
| 23:26.45 | AxiumKT_ | well thanks for the help, i'm headin home but I'll put that up later :P |
| 23:27.12 | cladhaire | Hrm.. list introductory programming languages for ACM CS1. Go. |
| 23:27.34 | Ziegler | What's ACM CS1? |
| 23:27.39 | AxiumKT_ | depends on the school :P ask that question a while back it would have been Pascal |
| 23:27.54 | cladhaire | The Association of Computing and Machinery's definition of the 1st Computer Science course |
| 23:27.58 | AxiumKT_ | c++, java |
| 23:28.05 | Ziegler | ah |
| 23:28.07 | AxiumKT_ | lisp/prolog? |
| 23:28.10 | AxiumKT_ | idk |
| 23:28.11 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: I need a list of any of the ones with research behind them. |
| 23:28.21 | Ziegler | basic, pascal |
| 23:28.30 | cladhaire | i dont think anyone teaches lisp specifically anymore, scheme has ruled that roost for 35 years =) |
| 23:28.40 | Ziegler | 'introductory' is a loose term |
| 23:28.55 | AxiumKT_ | yeah when i took a programming languages course it was pretty much scheme/prolog for the functional langs |
| 23:28.57 | cladhaire | Not when its defined as the first programming course a student would take at the college level |
| 23:29.01 | Ziegler | oh |
| 23:29.09 | Ziegler | I thought that was usually C++ these days |
| 23:29.18 | AxiumKT_ | at Virginia Tech it's been moved to Java recently |
| 23:29.23 | AxiumKT_ | was C++ when i came through undergrad |
| 23:29.30 | CIA-17 | 03bordeaux * r14205 10BananaBar2/ (25 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:29.30 | CIA-17 | BananaBar2: |
| 23:29.30 | CIA-17 | - added mouse cursor graphics for drag&drop with raid symbols |
| 23:29.30 | CIA-17 | - added keybinding to set raid symbols on mouseover |
| 23:29.31 | cladhaire | _recently_ moved to Java? thats odd. |
| 23:29.32 | chrisa | Lisp is the functional choice at osu |
| 23:29.33 | Ziegler | pascal used to be the academic staple, because that was its whole purpose in life |
| 23:29.43 | AxiumKT_ | well recently as in 3 years ago |
| 23:29.49 | cladhaire | Wirth's documentation was amazing. |
| 23:29.58 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: Still.. that's odd. |
| 23:30.02 | AxiumKT_ | i think the data structures course is still c/c++ on unix |
| 23:30.14 | AxiumKT_ | Georgia Tech teaches CS1 with Java3D |
| 23:30.16 | AxiumKT_ | if you want odd :P |
| 23:30.24 | AxiumKT_ | neat approach though, went to his workshop at CHI |
| 23:30.30 | chrisa | C is still a fun language to use to teach data structures, if only because it punishes people quite well |
| 23:30.46 | Ziegler | my first CS course was entirely Visual C++ |
| 23:30.48 | AxiumKT_ | yeah I'm a much better programmer having gone through pointer hell |
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| 23:31.03 | Ziegler | which I shunned and provided all coursework in ANSI C |
| 23:31.07 | AxiumKT_ | and did 3 years at IBM with just ANSI C |
| 23:31.12 | AxiumKT_ | which sucks >< |
| 23:31.27 | AxiumKT_ | C++ first spoiled me |
| 23:31.46 | Ziegler | I don't like any language which uses the word 'object' |
| 23:32.10 | chrisa | Ohio State had a special kind of bad |
| 23:32.11 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | Coding can be learned from teachers? oh, thats new for me :-) |
| 23:32.26 | chrisa | They whored out C++ templates to the point where they basically created their own language |
| 23:32.35 | chrisa | No primitive types were allowed by the student |
| 23:32.44 | chrisa | "Resolve C++" |
| 23:33.04 | Ziegler | no integers? |
| 23:33.10 | Ziegler | that would make a lot of things very difficult |
| 23:33.26 | chrisa | They implemented an object for them to use for ints instead |
| 23:33.33 | Ziegler | ... |
| 23:33.40 | AxiumKT_ | cladhaire: I'd contend most ACM CS1 courses are either C++/Java from the "learn a language" approach, or if they go the whirlwind tour of different paradigms it'd be "scheme/lisp for functional, prolog for logic, c for procedural, smalltalk/java for object-oriented" |
| 23:33.47 | chrisa | sec, lemme link a description |
| 23:34.00 | Tain | c++ is such a dangerous language to learn with. |
| 23:34.01 | AxiumKT_ | damn i gtg tho, bbl :P |
| 23:34.05 | chrisa | Assuming Everything2 loads |
| 23:34.10 | ckknight | I started with C++ |
| 23:34.16 | ckknight | like 9 years ago |
| 23:34.16 | Tain | There's too much opportunity to learn "bad" because of what it lets you do. |
| 23:34.24 | AxiumKT_ | I'm glad i started w/ c++ instead of Java |
| 23:34.25 | cladhaire | AxiumKT_: They typically end up that way due to the AP exam. |
| 23:34.30 | chrisa | If I had it my way every student would need to learn C and Lisp at the same time |
| 23:34.43 | Ziegler | I started with TRS/80 basic O_o |
| 23:34.43 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | ckknight: how old are you? |
| 23:34.47 | cladhaire | chrisa: I disagree imo |
| 23:34.48 | ckknight | 19 |
| 23:34.52 | Ziegler | if that even counts |
| 23:34.57 | cladhaire | but only with a subtle distinction |
| 23:35.12 | AxiumKT_ | first thing i programmed was a text adventure in pascal when I was 13 :P |
| 23:35.18 | chrisa | cladhaire: if you disagree I'd certainly hope it was of your own opinion |
| 23:35.28 | cladhaire | chrisa: oh, imo doesn't mean in my opinion |
| 23:35.29 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:35.31 | ckknight | I think lua would be a pretty good pedagogical language |
| 23:35.43 | ckknight | at least for learning concepts |
| 23:35.44 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | ckknight: ok, i started coding 27 years ago, hacking on a c64 in a warehouse |
| 23:35.48 | AxiumKT_ | for learning concepts sure |
| 23:35.50 | Tain | I do think it's more important to have a good teacher of course, and then the language doesn't matter at all. |
| 23:35.55 | cladhaire | ckknight: Thats the basis of my current research |
| 23:36.02 | Ziegler | ckk: I think you'd lose 90% of people at pedagogical |
| 23:36.15 | AxiumKT_ | but i think how loose it is with datatypes will be disadvantageous to the normal analytical development of a programmer |
| 23:36.16 | Tain | But a bad teacher can only do so much with a more structured language, the sky's the limit for bad-ness with c++ |
| 23:36.24 | cladhaire | I'll probably end up writing a lua textbook during my first two years |
| 23:36.25 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | ckknight: and i am 36 now, started with 9 |
| 23:36.25 | ckknight | cladhaire, cool |
| 23:36.35 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 23:36.48 | Ziegler | pascal is a fantastic first-time language if you ask me. |
| 23:36.51 | cladhaire | ckknight: My PhD work is on software design and programming languages for introductory Computer Science, at the moment =) |
| 23:36.54 | Tain | In my day we loaded games from cassette tape and hoped it worked! And we liked it! |
| 23:36.54 | chrisa | Resolve C++: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=66152 |
| 23:36.56 | ckknight | I started at 10 or so because my 19-year-old brother brought home a C++ book from college |
| 23:37.02 | chrisa | Take a look at that if you're familiar with C / C++ |
| 23:37.08 | ckknight | cladhaire, shiny. |
| 23:37.14 | Tain | I still think Pascal is one of the best to start out with people who have no background. |
| 23:37.32 | AxiumKT_ | cladhaire: I did a lot of work with a distributed IDE for learning Java as a CS1 language |
| 23:37.49 | chrisa | Now imagine having THREE courses that were mandatory |
| 23:37.50 | AxiumKT_ | the instructor enabled various subsets of the language to be used for assignments, etc. |
| 23:37.53 | chrisa | Utilizing that language |
| 23:38.01 | ckknight | I think it'd be better to learn theory first, such as the basics of context-free grammars and DFAs |
| 23:38.02 | Tain | I was hoping WoW would use Logo but nooo |
| 23:38.06 | ckknight | then after that, get into a language |
| 23:38.10 | cladhaire | ckknight: You'd have retention issues. |
| 23:38.16 | cladhaire | due to lack of community of practice, etc. |
| 23:38.28 | ckknight | yea, I can see that |
| 23:38.30 | cladhaire | there are a number of challenges, to say the least =) |
| 23:38.31 | chrisa | Academia already has problems with people out of touch of the actual practice |
| 23:38.31 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | Ziegler: i started with basic going over to 6502 assembler and then turbo pascal, pascal was my favorite language for alot of yearr |
| 23:38.35 | ckknight | I was talking to my professor about this yesterday |
| 23:39.02 | Ziegler | Bord: very similar here, trs/80 basic to turbo pascal, nothing inbetween though |
| 23:39.32 | Ziegler | I was involved in the "demo" scene using TP back in the early 90s |
| 23:40.10 | Tain | I'm still thankful to this day that I had a teacher in highschool who spent time with some of us on Assembly when we were past the Pascal stuff they had mapped out. |
| 23:40.14 | cladhaire | Ziegler: I tried desperately to become involved, but my public library had no resources, and I didn't have any net connection until 1986ish |
| 23:40.15 | ShadoxLX | so... just a random question |
| 23:40.19 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | Ziegler:i forgot something between 6502 and pascal, there was "turbo basic" for a while :-) |
| 23:40.33 | cladhaire | So I had to learn asm on my own without books.. so I never got far, its not an "Experiment" language =) |
| 23:40.39 | chrisa | cladhaire: I want to modify my statement. C, Lisp and PPC ASM |
| 23:40.39 | ShadoxLX | I installed some mods the other day and I'm not sure which is does this: Whenever someone says my name in party chat... a tell, say, whatever, it pops the message up in the middle of my screen in a transparent black frame |
| 23:40.41 | Ziegler | no, it's definitely not |
| 23:40.45 | Tain | I had my 300 baud modem on my C64 |
| 23:40.46 | chrisa | Not x86 though, I'm not that mean |
| 23:41.05 | Ziegler | ASM is something I still can't really do well, it was literally sitting there with reference manuals open the whole time |
| 23:41.20 | Ziegler | and lots of example code |
| 23:41.24 | cladhaire | i love it.. its easy to get lost in it =) |
| 23:41.28 | Ziegler | what was that public TP repository? |
| 23:41.29 | Ziegler | the huge one |
| 23:41.36 | Ziegler | forget the name these days |
| 23:41.38 | Tain | I'd never be able to actually code asm, but I can at least understand mostly what I'm looking at. |
| 23:41.40 | Tain | And that helps. |
| 23:41.42 | Ziegler | but it had gobs and gobs of inline ASM examples |
| 23:42.51 | Ziegler | but yeah, the good 'ol days of bouncing around the Ami-X boards from all the scandinavian coders |
| 23:42.54 | cladhaire | hrm, I can't write this paper. I need to write the second one, its much more interesting. |
| 23:43.06 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | Ziegler: i learned 6502 assembler in the c64 demo & cracker scene and pc assembler when writing anticheat tools for counter-strike |
| 23:43.18 | Ziegler | haha, nice |
| 23:43.44 | Ziegler | I tried to learn x86 asm well enough to do cracking, but my brain never wrapped around that one |
| 23:44.00 | CIA-17 | 03totalpackage * r14206 10InFlight/InFlight.toc: |
| 23:44.00 | CIA-17 | InFlight: |
| 23:44.00 | CIA-17 | - Maybe externals would load this time |
| 23:46.38 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r14207 10TouristLib/Tourist-2.0/Tourist-2.0.lua: Tourist - added Silvermoon City |
| 23:47.24 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | Ziegler: its not easy to learn assembler, in studies most people learn only high level programming. many people don't know how their computer really whorks when they have finished their study |
| 23:47.56 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | sorry, bad english |
| 23:48.00 | Ziegler | well, had I gone into programming as any sort of study I probably would have |
| 23:48.05 | Ziegler | but I don't do sw dev at all |
| 23:48.13 | Ziegler | it's all been self learned as a hobby |
| 23:48.56 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | i think this is the better way, first learn it by yourself, then study if you want |
| 23:50.10 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | in the 80's it was possible to write your own games and sell them to distributors, good old time |
| 23:51.07 | Mikk | early 90s also tbh |
| 23:51.11 | Mikk | but they got a bit pickier by then =) |
| 23:51.27 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r14208 10TouristLib/Tourist-2.0/Tourist-2.0.lua: Tourist - now made to work with Babble-Zone-2.2 if available. |
| 23:51.39 | ckknight | note: Babble-2.2 does not exist yet. |
| 23:51.48 | ckknight | just preparing |
| 23:52.18 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | Mikk: oh yes |
| 23:52.23 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | ckknight: lol |
| 23:54.11 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | i will go to bed now, its 1:53 in germany, time to go |
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| 23:59.33 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | ckknight: |
| 23:59.33 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | Dewdrop - arrows no longer change color, was icky looking. |
| 23:59.42 | ckknight | yes? |
| 23:59.49 | [GsoZ]Bordeaux | i thik colors was fine |
