| 00:07.10 | CIA-17 | 03jerry 07jerry * r16424 10lern2count/lern2count/lern2count.lua: lern2count (jerry's branch) : some forgotten reversions |
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| 00:15.18 | ckknight | who's jerry? |
| 00:17.03 | usz | never seen him, but i am still kind of new here |
| 00:18.07 | ckknight | curse his black heart. |
| 00:18.15 | JJSheets | lol |
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| 00:20.52 | tkieffer | Is there any benefit to unregistering for an event if you're not going to use it for a while? |
| 00:21.34 | ckknight | yes, if it fires a lot |
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| 00:26.16 | usz | it all depends on how often you wanna register/unregister it and how much does it fire, every case is different and you need to find best solution to suit you |
| 00:27.41 | vade` | hey guys, dont know if this is the place to ask. but i am having some problems :) i downloaded a ui ( Phoetic (sp) ) and alot of the addons are Ace 2, but i also like to use Discord stuff aswell for the unit frames ... and well the package has this addon called ag_unitframes and for some reason if i have that enabled i get 2 unit frames if i disable it all the other Ace 2 addons (SCT etc) dont work :( any ideas :) |
| 00:28.26 | ckknight | well, you can either use agUF or DUF (Discord's) |
| 00:28.29 | ckknight | you can't use both at once |
| 00:28.33 | ckknight | basically, take your pick. |
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| 00:28.53 | vade` | aye i want to use discord but if i disable aguf i cant use any of the other ace 2 addons? |
| 00:28.55 | ckknight | I don't know why your other addons like SCT don't work without agUF, though |
| 00:29.00 | vade` | ah k |
| 00:29.02 | ckknight | do you get errors? |
| 00:29.06 | JJSheets | ckknight, I think he means that aguf has been rolled into Phoetic as if Phoetic was a single addon. |
| 00:29.14 | ckknight | is that true? |
| 00:29.33 | JJSheets | it's the only way this would make sense to me... |
| 00:29.55 | vade` | well i think so cus if i disable aguf like i said i get loads of lua errors |
| 00:29.56 | vade` | like 20 :( |
| 00:30.21 | JJSheets | hmmm... maybe not... but still it shouldn't give you errors for disabling aguf unless the other mods didn't have the libraries... |
| 00:30.26 | ckknight | could you be so kind to tell me the first error? |
| 00:31.05 | usz | bet its error from zip files = missing externals ^^ |
| 00:31.17 | vade` | error: ...erface\addons\detox\libs\acehook-2.1.lua:537: attempt to index a nill value |
| 00:31.26 | snurre | http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5703/goldbs6.jpg i should be able to afford a flying mount |
| 00:32.02 | ckknight | vade`, hrm. that's an old version. |
| 00:32.06 | JJSheets | snurre, I think you may come up short for the leather trim though... |
| 00:32.14 | ckknight | basically, the packager of Photek has old libraries in Detox and such |
| 00:32.18 | ckknight | which is causing issues. |
| 00:32.37 | ckknight | vade`, to solve this, you can steal the AceHook-2.1 from agUF and put the file into Detox |
| 00:32.41 | ckknight | making it all work peachily. |
| 00:33.06 | vade` | and the same for onebag and gmail etc? |
| 00:33.50 | Xuerian | vade: you could download the latest versions of all the Ace2 addons you want to use and use them instead, unless it really is rolled up |
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| 00:34.00 | Xuerian | Also, damn, snurre |
| 00:34.12 | Xuerian | Gold much? :P |
| 00:34.14 | vade` | ye i was thinking that Xuerian thanks :D |
| 00:34.58 | snurre | i only have that much cause i copied several chars tho |
| 00:35.01 | snurre | on live i only have 12k |
| 00:35.19 | Xuerian | On live I have about .... 60 gold. |
| 00:35.23 | Xuerian | total... >_> |
| 00:35.47 | Xuerian | Yay free druid flight! |
| 00:39.31 | Xuerian | I guess I should do group loot frames before I re-write XLoot, huh.. |
| 00:40.33 | snurre | yep |
| 00:40.54 | snurre | did you change the custom string for announcing rolls btw? |
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| 00:41.04 | Xuerian | It's a tokenized string now :p |
| 00:41.16 | Industrial | haste: ping |
| 00:41.32 | snurre | can i use like %i and %s or something now (for the item and timer)? |
| 00:41.39 | Xuerian | [item] [time] [range] |
| 00:41.42 | snurre | ooh |
| 00:41.44 | snurre | <3 |
| 00:42.04 | Xuerian | And you can use [] anywhere else in the string, too. O_o |
| 00:42.20 | Xuerian | Unlike certain parsers which go into fits >_> |
| 00:42.24 | snurre | how about the announcing in /rw and /g.. is it togglable and stuff? (havent had time to check it out, just saw my ML announcing everything) |
| 00:42.36 | Xuerian | RW/Group/Guild have their never/threshold menus |
| 00:42.41 | ckknight | what's %i? |
| 00:42.45 | snurre | sweet |
| 00:42.48 | Xuerian | psudo-replacement :P |
| 00:43.38 | Xuerian | Guess I could cache those strings. |
| 00:43.40 | Xuerian | hm |
| 00:43.47 | Xuerian | No I couldn't. neeevermind >_> |
| 00:44.36 | snurre | oh, did you figure out a way to give loot to a predefined group member? |
| 00:44.44 | Xuerian | Automatically? |
| 00:45.00 | Xuerian | I know how, I just haven't done it yet.... :P |
| 00:45.23 | snurre | preferrably that, but in the very least having a sort of shortcut to do it (like selfloot) |
| 00:45.34 | Xuerian | There's both SelfLoot and a custom priority list |
| 00:45.38 | Xuerian | Options->Priority |
| 00:45.45 | snurre | sweet |
| 00:45.48 | Xuerian | Multiple people in any order you want 0.o |
| 00:45.54 | snurre | havent played the last few days, so havent had time to check |
| 00:46.12 | Cairenn | unnnh, guys? |
| 00:46.15 | Cairenn | "All the US email address you provided me before Monday afternoon were sent out… the email can get picked up by spam blockers. " |
| 00:46.28 | Xuerian | ................ |
| 00:46.40 | Xuerian | were sent what now? |
| 00:46.54 | snurre | lol, they still havent managed to solve that? the first batch of alpha keys had that same problem :p |
| 00:47.00 | Cairenn | I've asked him to check again, but ... |
| 00:47.45 | pastamancer | hmm, anyone currently on Hellfire? |
| 00:47.58 | Xuerian | Geez. that kinda sucks |
| 00:48.08 | Xuerian | Especially for people with incincerating filters |
| 00:48.58 | Cairenn | pastamancer: I can be |
| 00:49.25 | XLVII | Can I get an invite / key? ;) |
| 00:49.28 | pastamancer | I need someone to group with so I can test range checking |
| 00:49.44 | ckknight | Cairenn, do we know the email address of the sender? |
| 00:50.08 | Cairenn | "WoW Expansion Beta" |
| 00:50.20 | Xuerian | ~console JJSheets |
| 00:50.25 | purl | ACTION gives JJSheets the consolation moose |
| 00:50.25 | Cairenn | WoWExpansionBeta@blizzard.com |
| 00:50.27 | JJSheets | lol |
| 00:50.40 | JJSheets | oh shit! A MOOSE!!! hot damn! |
| 00:51.35 | ckknight | Cairenn, know a timeperiod? |
| 00:51.40 | Cairenn | no |
| 00:51.50 | Nargiddley | i've been watching my spam folder as well, no sign of it |
| 00:52.06 | pastamancer | Subject: World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade - Welcome to Closed-Beta! |
| 00:52.09 | pastamancer | Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:41:49 -0800 |
| 00:52.20 | pastamancer | From: WoW Expansion Beta <WoWExpansionBeta@blizzard.com> |
| 00:52.43 | ckknight | no sign of it in my spam folder either (for gmail) |
| 00:52.49 | Nargiddley | i'm gmail as well |
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| 00:54.01 | Vallerius | well, that's interesting. my isp sends me a digest of all the spam they quarantine, and there's nothing from blizzard. |
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| 01:14.18 | CIA-17 | 03miles 07TBC * r16425 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua: ag_UnitFrames: slight change in combopoints location (issue 8, 20) |
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| 01:15.11 | SkOODaT | hey all :) |
| 01:16.22 | eternally777 | Is there a way for me to check if a table is a hash-table or an array? |
| 01:16.49 | pastamancer | eternally777: there isn't a difference |
| 01:16.58 | Xuerian | if type(next(table)) == "number" ? o.0 |
| 01:17.08 | Xuerian | Granted that's if you only use one type if index |
| 01:17.15 | Xuerian | And if I'm picking up your meaning |
| 01:17.18 | eternally777 | Then how can I tell if I should use ipairs or pairs? |
| 01:17.32 | Xuerian | Sequential numbers = ipairs |
| 01:17.38 | Xuerian | anything else = pairs or something like iteratetable |
| 01:17.38 | eternally777 | I know that |
| 01:17.44 | eternally777 | Now how to I teach my code that? :P |
| 01:17.49 | Xuerian | <.< |
| 01:18.23 | Neronix | pairs() can do arrays too |
| 01:18.29 | SkOODaT | has anyone seen MoonWolf online in this room |
| 01:18.37 | Neronix | pairs just iterates in the order next() gives you |
| 01:18.41 | SkOODaT | i have a question about his addon learn to count |
| 01:18.43 | Neronix | ipairs() starts at 1 |
| 01:18.52 | Xuerian | Yeah, what Neronix said >.> |
| 01:18.55 | Neronix | and keeps going until it encounters a gap |
| 01:19.09 | eternally777 | Ty, Neronix |
| 01:19.11 | Neronix | np |
| 01:19.22 | SkOODaT | no one lol |
| 01:19.26 | SkOODaT | :) |
| 01:19.34 | Neronix | though if you're certain you have an array, use ipairs because it's faster |
| 01:19.42 | eternally777 | SkOODaT: |
| 01:19.47 | eternally777 | ~seen MoonWolf |
| 01:20.11 | purl | moonwolf <i=moonwolf@g173217.upc-g.chello.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5h 57m 12s ago, saying: 'is afk'. |
| 01:20.11 | SkOODaT | lol |
| 01:20.11 | SkOODaT | maby you could help me out |
| 01:20.39 | SkOODaT | basically im interested in makeing learn2count compatible with DAB if its possible |
| 01:21.12 | SkOODaT | :) lol |
| 01:22.51 | pastamancer | hmm, any suggestions on where to steal spelbook scanning code from? |
| 01:23.24 | eternally777 | You can take it from SacredBuff if you want, but that just came straight of WoWWiki |
| 01:23.57 | Xuerian | SkOODaT: Dab? |
| 01:23.58 | Xuerian | Why dab? |
| 01:24.04 | Xuerian | Good greif why dab? |
| 01:24.09 | Xuerian | WHY? |
| 01:24.09 | SkOODaT | lol |
| 01:24.12 | SkOODaT | i like it |
| 01:24.21 | SkOODaT | and besides i have it all set up it took forever |
| 01:24.23 | Xuerian | Flexbar2! Bartender2/3! BONGOS! |
| 01:24.25 | eternally777 | ~comfort SkOODaT |
| 01:24.27 | purl | There, there, SkOODaT. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:24.59 | Xuerian | ~facepalm |
| 01:25.02 | Xuerian | hm |
| 01:25.05 | Xuerian | ~whaleface |
| 01:25.06 | SkOODaT | and any who it wont work with Flexbar2! Bartender2/3! BONGOS! as far as i know it only works with default bar |
| 01:25.17 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 01:25.19 | JJSheets | ~whalecrit Xuerian |
| 01:25.21 | purl | ACTION crits Xuerian with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Xuerian dies |
| 01:25.23 | Xuerian | eep |
| 01:25.29 | JJSheets | lol |
| 01:25.46 | XLVII | I want to make an awesome Flexbar layout |
| 01:25.49 | XLVII | But it confuses me. |
| 01:25.57 | SkOODaT | im not even shure where to start to make a pluging for it tho lol |
| 01:26.51 | SkOODaT | lol |
| 01:27.40 | XLVII | ~whaleslap SkOODaT |
| 01:27.41 | purl | ACTION beats SkOODaT upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 01:28.35 | CIA-17 | 03snago * r16426 10ShakeThatThing/ (Core.lua Creation.lua Locale-enUS.lua ShakeThatThing.toc): |
| 01:28.35 | CIA-17 | ShakeThatThing: |
| 01:28.35 | CIA-17 | - Frame is now moveable |
| 01:28.35 | CIA-17 | - Code cleanup using AceOO |
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| 01:29.27 | SkOODaT | ahh well if someone sees moonwolf ask him to go to the ace fourms to the ace 2 ones and ive made a post asking |
| 01:29.35 | SkOODaT | :) |
| 01:29.52 | Xuerian | Prepare to get roasted about DAB :p |
| 01:30.38 | Tuller | DAB isn't THAT evil :P |
| 01:31.13 | Xuerian | Nyyar.... guess not <_< |
| 01:31.14 | Xuerian | But still! |
| 01:32.47 | Adrine | Two questions: |
| 01:33.00 | Adrine | 1, the enable function is MyVar:OnEnable(), yes? |
| 01:33.05 | zoktar | is there a tooltip droprate addon ? =P |
| 01:33.12 | Adrine | 2, you can have both OnInitialize() and OnEnable()? |
| 01:33.21 | Xuerian | Generally you want both yes. |
| 01:33.27 | Xuerian | Hooking/events in Enable |
| 01:33.33 | Adrine | Hm. My OnEnable isn't firing. |
| 01:33.38 | Adrine | But yes, that's what I'm wanting to use it for. |
| 01:33.49 | Xuerian | Pastey your header/init/enable |
| 01:36.07 | Adrine | http://ace.pastey.net/2266 |
| 01:36.57 | Adrine | I'm not getting the "Hooking" message, and my hook handlers aren't firing. |
| 01:37.14 | Tekkub | self:Print(...) |
| 01:37.24 | Tekkub | Ace addon's don't dump directly to chat :) |
| 01:37.41 | Tekkub | also, there's AceDebug t ohelp with that stuff |
| 01:37.52 | Tekkub | so that you can leave that debug line in |
| 01:38.46 | Tekkub | also, self.isBankOpen = function() return BankFrame:IsVisible(); end |
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| 01:38.51 | Xuerian | Adrine: Also, you don't need all those if-nothooked's on on-enable, so long as you unhook on disable |
| 01:38.51 | Tekkub | that's just masteful :) |
| 01:39.04 | Adrine | Heheh, that's very old code :D |
| 01:39.17 | Adrine | Xuerian: Good to know. I was working from example code in another lib. |
| 01:39.19 | Tekkub | AceHook should unheek everything OnDisable automatically |
| 01:39.34 | Tekkub | gah I can't type |
| 01:39.40 | Xuerian | Ah, I couldn't remember if it was unregistering or unhooking it did automatically.. Or does it do both? |
| 01:40.02 | Adrine | That said, Sanity:OnEnable() doesn't seem to be firing. At all. |
| 01:40.07 | Tekkub | if a lib is mixin'd it generally disables stuff on it's own for you |
| 01:40.12 | Xuerian | yeah "I couldn't remember if unregistering or unhooking was automatic". |
| 01:40.12 | eternally777 | "ee" is like.. almost completely opposite of "oo"... |
| 01:40.19 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r16428 10Cartographer/ (Cartographer.toc Libs/ Modules/Notes.lua): Cartographer-Notes - now can send notes to other players using AceComm. Icons are now handled by strings. All zones and icon names are memoized by AceComm. |
| 01:40.25 | Xuerian | Woot ck. |
| 01:40.28 | Tekkub | Adrine, you didn't put the addon into stamdby did you? |
| 01:40.34 | Adrine | Nope, it's enabled. |
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| 01:40.48 | Adrine | Putting it into standby and then pulling it out of standby fails to fire OnEnabled() as wlel. |
| 01:41.15 | Adrine | Err, OnEnable() |
| 01:41.28 | Xuerian | also, couldn't you just do a local hooks = { "SetAuctionItem", "SetAuctionItem", etc }; for k, v in pairs(hooks) do self:Hook(GameTooltip, v) end ? >.> |
| 01:41.44 | Adrine | My code has actually been updated to do that already :) |
| 01:41.52 | Adrine | As I was formatting the pastey, I realized I could streamline it a bit. |
| 01:41.57 | Xuerian | :P |
| 01:42.14 | Adrine | http://ace.pastey.net/2267 |
| 01:42.18 | Adrine | That's the new OnEnable() |
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| 01:42.38 | Adrine | A weeeee bit shorter. |
| 01:43.34 | [FH]Birdemani | how do you add notes with carto? |
| 01:43.43 | [FH]Birdemani | nm |
| 01:43.45 | [FH]Birdemani | found it |
| 01:43.47 | Adrine | .........doy. I'm a moron. |
| 01:44.03 | Adrine | My very, very old code, buried deep in the middle of the file, redefines OnEnable() |
| 01:44.05 | Adrine | *sigh* |
| 01:44.14 | tekcub | I was about to ask that :) |
| 01:44.34 | Adrine | And now it works. |
| 01:44.34 | Adrine | Thanks. |
| 01:44.39 | tekcub | ^^ |
| 01:44.40 | Adrine | Heheh. Oy. I feel silly now. |
| 01:44.52 | Xuerian | hehe. |
| 01:44.55 | tekcub | I do that a lot, copy/paste hates me |
| 01:45.27 | Adrine | In the course of Ace'ing Sanity, I basically ported over all the old functions, renamed them, and best-guessed their contents |
| 01:45.33 | Adrine | A few old ones have stayed in...like that one. |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r16429 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: .Dewdrop-2.0 - make validation errors not bug out. |
| 01:47.38 | ckknight | please test Cartographer-Notes and sending notes across the stream! |
| 01:47.51 | ckknight | you can send to party, raid, guild, or to a specific player |
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| 01:48.21 | Xuerian | Adrine: What... is sanity, anyway? <.< |
| 01:48.46 | ckknight | sanity is not officially recognized by the American Psychological Association (APA) |
| 01:48.57 | JJSheets | lol |
| 01:49.00 | Xuerian | teehee |
| 01:49.14 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 01:49.49 | ckknight | oh yea, in Cartographer, if you make a new note/edit a note, the icons are now alphabetized ;-) |
| 01:49.58 | ckknight | I can also add in any new icons that I want |
| 01:50.05 | ckknight | such as ores, herbs, etc. |
| 01:50.36 | Xuerian | Nice. |
| 01:50.41 | Adrine | Sanity's an inventory addon that gives you a searchable, sortable, tabular view of your bags, bank, mail, and equipped items for yourself and your alts. |
| 01:51.06 | Xuerian | oooooooOOoo |
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| 01:51.35 | Cairenn | "Crazy. The internets strikes again!<font size="3"> I’ll resend them tomorrow if you don’t hear of anyone receiving them by then."</font> |
| 01:51.37 | tekcub | Sanity's a nice, different "sorted" bag |
| 01:51.42 | Adrine | I have a non-Ace version out there at the moment, if you want to give it a whirl |
| 01:51.57 | tekcub | sanity will show items that match more than one category too, right? |
| 01:51.57 | pastamancer | sanity is pretty sexy |
| 01:51.59 | Adrine | It's not meant to be an inventory replacement as much as an augmentation |
| 01:52.07 | Adrine | tekcub: Can you clarify? |
| 01:52.12 | tekcub | uhm... |
| 01:52.26 | tekcub | say I have a potion that's used as a trade ingred |
| 01:52.29 | JJSheets | Cairenn: Thanks for your persistence! :) |
| 01:52.37 | tekcub | and I have a set for potions and a set for trade items |
| 01:52.50 | tekcub | will it show up in both even tho it's only one item? |
| 01:52.53 | Adrine | Well, right now it'd show as a consumable unless you put it into the trade items category. There's only 1 category per item, at the moment... |
| 01:53.01 | tekcub | unlike say, EngInv where it'll only match one cat |
| 01:53.04 | Adrine | ...but, I'm thinking about adding "tags" so you can tag items with multiple tabs |
| 01:53.10 | Adrine | Then you can search of tags |
| 01:53.18 | tekcub | I'd love tags |
| 01:53.22 | tekcub | very gmail :) |
| 01:53.29 | Adrine | So your potion would be categorized under "Consumables" but searching for "Trade items" would return items tagged with that tag. |
| 01:53.32 | tekcub | and a PT set would be a perfect tag |
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| 01:54.07 | tekcub | get the base addon Deuced, I'll reinstall it, and we'll make it more betterer |
| 01:54.21 | Adrine | I might need you to give me the reader's digest overview on how to use PT |
| 01:54.26 | Cairenn | <font size="3">you're welcome</font> |
| 01:54.36 | Adrine | But, I'm hoping to get an alpha of Sanity2 out tonight, so I can get some actual feedback |
| 01:54.42 | tekcub | ItemInSte(1234, "food") |
| 01:54.45 | tekcub | *Set |
| 01:55.06 | tekcub | or there's the iter, that might be really useful to you |
| 01:55.27 | tekcub | for bag,slot in pt:BagIter("food") do ... |
| 01:55.41 | tekcub | gives you the bag and slot of every matching item |
| 01:56.07 | Adrine | Well, this will also need to handle non-bag items |
| 01:56.15 | tekcub | yea I know |
| 01:56.16 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r16430 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua: Cartographer-Notes - icons can now have a hidden setting, which would not let the user declare new icons manually. This will be handy for ores, herbs, etc. or other icons made by addons. |
| 01:57.15 | tekcub | erf... gonna go watch an ep of Naruto... bbiab |
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| 01:57.51 | ckknight | blah |
| 01:57.55 | [FH]Birdemani | cart now has pinpoint in it? |
| 01:58.01 | ckknight | no, [FH]Birdemani |
| 01:58.03 | ckknight | not yet |
| 01:58.11 | ckknight | but it can now be very, very possible. |
| 01:58.24 | [FH]Birdemani | i havent looked at the new changes, are they modular? |
| 01:58.37 | ckknight | Cartographer is modular |
| 01:58.43 | [FH]Birdemani | cool, thanks |
| 01:58.52 | ckknight | every module is independent of another |
| 01:59.09 | ckknight | but if we were to make a PinPoint module, for instance |
| 01:59.41 | ckknight | it'd basically do Cartographer_Notes:CreateNewPOI(x, y, zone, etc.) |
| 02:00.17 | ckknight | I actually need to make it so that creating a new POI in the same place as an existing doesn't make a new one... |
| 02:00.44 | ckknight | hrm.... |
| 02:01.07 | ckknight | I should also allow an option to make some POIs "unmovable" |
| 02:01.22 | Industrial | ckknight: ping |
| 02:01.24 | ckknight | basically those'd be addon-defined ones. |
| 02:01.27 | ckknight | Industrial, sorry, gotta go |
| 02:01.29 | ckknight | classtime |
| 02:01.32 | Industrial | noooooo |
| 02:01.35 | Industrial | :| |
| 02:01.36 | ckknight | Industrial, tell purl to botmail me |
| 02:01.36 | JJSheets | lol |
| 02:01.44 | ckknight | cya all later |
| 02:01.59 | Industrial | quickie: how do I use AceEvent without AcemoduleCore while splitting different files? |
| 02:02.14 | Industrial | into different files* |
| 02:02.23 | Industrial | eg not in an OnEnable :P |
| 02:02.49 | Industrial | meh 3AM im gone bbl |
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| 02:11.53 | mjc | hum |
| 02:11.59 | mjc | I'm fucking tired of not raiding |
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| 02:17.45 | Adrine | Awesome, hooks are working. |
| 02:20.42 | CIA-17 | 03takadi * r16431 10/branches/Henge/ (248 files in 21 dirs): Henge: Initial import, not usable yet. |
| 02:21.11 | kebinusan | damn 248 files |
| 02:21.14 | kebinusan | wtf is it |
| 02:24.57 | eternally777 | wow |
| 02:24.59 | CIA-17 | 03takadi 07takadi * r16432 10Henge/Henge/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Henge: Oops, some old files left over from before import, cleaning up. |
| 02:25.01 | eternally777 | o.o |
| 02:25.08 | eternally777 | haahaha |
| 02:25.16 | eternally777 | it's ok, he cleaned up. |
| 02:25.57 | eternally777 | A ton of images it looks like |
| 02:26.10 | Gamefaq | henge = Generic Necrosis-like for all classes. |
| 02:26.44 | eternally777 | :-O |
| 02:26.46 | eternally777 | QQ |
| 02:26.47 | Gamefaq | that says the toc file^^ |
| 02:27.21 | eternally777 | :P |
| 02:27.56 | kebinusan | heh yeah Gamefaq I just checked after I said that |
| 02:30.12 | JJSheets | lmao eternally777 |
| 02:30.18 | Gamefaq | well when you look at the toc file and his list of lua files...its huge O.o |
| 02:30.41 | eternally777 | There's gotta be a different way to do the incremental texture |
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| 02:31.01 | eternally777 | that looks like it ticks down every time you use a reagent |
| 02:31.07 | pb_ee1 | heya ;) |
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| 02:34.17 | pb_ee1 | Why do we have to sleep... |
| 02:34.53 | JJSheets | sleep is required to heal the daily wear and tear on the body. |
| 02:35.54 | JJSheets | ~whalecrit JJSheets |
| 02:36.00 | purl | ACTION crits JJSheets with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. JJSheets dies |
| 02:36.05 | pb_ee1 | Yeah, but when you sleep you can't develop |
| 02:36.19 | pb_ee1 | rofl |
| 02:36.24 | JJSheets | my ass you can't. I've come up with awesome ideas while sleeping. :) |
| 02:36.25 | pb_ee1 | purl is full of tricks |
| 02:36.43 | pb_ee1 | JJSheets: That's true indeed :p |
| 02:36.45 | Tekkub | I get my ideas in the bathroom |
| 02:36.59 | JJSheets | And I fix nasty bugs best when I'm not staring at the code. |
| 02:37.29 | pb_ee1 | JJSheets: So when do you code? :P (/taunt) |
| 02:38.02 | Tekkub | I liken coding to sculpting... I usually ,rite new shit in my head when I've got nothing to do, then transcribe it into the computer when I have the time to |
| 02:38.14 | JJSheets | I do the typing when I haven't major bugs and I'm not sleeping, working, or eating. :) |
| 02:38.19 | CIA-17 | 03pastamancer * r16433 10Grid/ (4 files): |
| 02:38.19 | CIA-17 | Grid: |
| 02:38.19 | CIA-17 | - Added neXter's GridStatusRange module. |
| 02:38.19 | CIA-17 | - Added 'frameAlpha' indicator. |
| 02:38.19 | CIA-17 | - Show tooltips 'ooc' option shows tooltips for dead units while in combat. |
| 02:38.28 | pb_ee1 | Tekkub: "that's how Ace2 have been written" |
| 02:38.36 | pb_ee1 | :p |
| 02:38.51 | eternally777 | my raid leader tells us to just wipe as soon as 1 person dies during 4H |
| 02:39.05 | eternally777 | he says "If we lose 1 person, that's it, we can't down them, so just wipe." |
| 02:39.08 | Xuerian | Ahhhhhh addicting. >_< http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/347467 |
| 02:39.21 | JJSheets | eternally777: How fatalistic. |
| 02:39.23 | pb_ee1 | eternally777: Who? |
| 02:39.42 | eternally777 | pb_ee1: my raid leader |
| 02:39.52 | pb_ee1 | eternally777: Sure, but which boss? :P |
| 02:39.59 | eternally777 | Four horsemen |
| 02:40.12 | pb_ee1 | Aha :/ |
| 02:40.19 | eternally777 | He just made everyone in the raid pop a Flask of the Titans |
| 02:40.28 | chuckg | What guild? |
| 02:40.37 | eternally777 | Imperial Order |
| 02:40.41 | chuckg | Alliance? |
| 02:40.43 | eternally777 | Yeah |
| 02:40.46 | chuckg | Cheater. |
| 02:40.51 | JJSheets | lol |
| 02:41.02 | eternally777 | My old guild downed them with 3 people dead in the first 30 seconds |
| 02:41.06 | chuckg | I playe horde mode. |
| 02:41.06 | eternally777 | on their first time |
| 02:41.22 | Caboose[FH] | eternally777, at the end of ouy 4h fight. we have atleast 10ppl dead |
| 02:43.37 | Kalamadi | What happens when someone dies during 4h? |
| 02:43.55 | JJSheets | you die in reality. |
| 02:43.59 | JJSheets | bwahahahahahahah |
| 02:44.01 | Kalamadi | AWESOME |
| 02:44.04 | JJSheets | :) |
| 02:44.08 | Kalamadi | <- paladin |
| 02:44.10 | Caboose[FH] | battle rez |
| 02:44.12 | kebinusan | heh |
| 02:44.20 | Kalamadi | "Okay, don't aggro-" |
| 02:44.38 | kebinusan | Every time you die, Lady Blameaux has a baby, spits out a kid right there on the mt |
| 02:44.56 | JJSheets | hmmmm... I think Southpark may be on soon... so I gotta go get my south crack... |
| 02:45.10 | kebinusan | JJSheets: 15 minutes EST |
| 02:45.21 | Kalamadi | Soo... Audio player of choice among WoWACE enthusiasts? |
| 02:45.28 | JJSheets | yup... gotta get comfy first. :p |
| 02:45.33 | JJSheets | see ya guys later :) |
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| 02:47.16 | Kalamadi | I mean, foobar2000 works under WINE perfectly, right? |
| 02:48.59 | kebinusan | ewww playing mp3's through wine |
| 02:49.00 | XLVII | foobar |
| 02:49.19 | Meiun | foobar is instant win |
| 02:49.44 | Kalamadi | But...do unicode characters work properly under Wine in foobar2k? |
| 02:50.04 | tekcub | hrm... I should install the jap lang pack and test that |
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| 02:50.56 | Kalamadi | Also, BrainCurses is awesome. |
| 02:51.55 | pb_ee1 | We have been lagging every night for two weeks now |
| 02:52.20 | Xuerian | Geez.... bc isn't even out yet.... |
| 02:52.25 | sylvanaar | same time every night? |
| 02:52.46 | pb_ee1 | This kind of lag that you hate: casting time of renew becomes casting time of flash heal, flash heal > greater heal, and you don't even try to cast greater heal |
| 02:53.11 | sylvanaar | yeah - that used to happen every night on my server |
| 02:53.27 | pb_ee1 | It just starts at about 18:00 and finishes at approx. 22:30 - 23:00 |
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| 02:53.49 | sylvanaar | started the same day they brought up the interserver-bg test realm |
| 02:54.03 | pb_ee1 | 2s of lag every 5/10s. And we killed the Twins yesterday. Dunno how |
| 02:54.08 | Kalamadi | Am I good if I win BrainCurses in 4-6 rounds every time? D: |
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| 02:54.55 | sylvanaar | all the other guilds transfered off my server so the lag went away |
| 02:55.31 | pb_ee1 | sylvanaar: Aha, nice ;p |
| 02:55.40 | pb_ee1 | Our lag does not come from the server though T_T |
| 02:55.45 | pb_ee1 | Some people don't lag at all |
| 02:56.17 | pb_ee1 | Seems it's coming from an internet provider between our computer and Blizzard's servers |
| 02:56.23 | sylvanaar | ours was server side. every night it crashed around 8:30 central time |
| 02:57.08 | pb_ee1 | sylvanaar: At 08:28 it was a good idea to bid in AH ;p |
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| 02:57.44 | sylvanaar | why's that |
| 02:58.36 | pb_ee1 | sylvanaar: to win auctions :) |
| 02:58.57 | sylvanaar | dp u instantly win them? |
| 02:59.34 | Xuerian | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full4895.jpg |
| 02:59.35 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 02:59.36 | pb_ee1 | nope, but nobody can bid on it when the server is down ;p |
| 02:59.47 | Xuerian | A good few innovative new mods in the latest batch... |
| 03:00.22 | sylvanaar | it would just dump everyone for 30 seconds and you could log back in |
| 03:00.32 | pb_ee1 | sylvanaar: Aha too bad :'( |
| 03:00.54 | sylvanaar | i dont miss it |
| 03:01.46 | pb_ee1 | I wish I won't, too -- if this lag disappears one day |
| 03:02.24 | sylvanaar | hope your server doesnt collapse like mine did - its a ghost town |
| 03:02.31 | Kalamadi | Xuerian: Is that TBC compatable, or just an old screeny? O-o; |
| 03:02.49 | Xuerian | I'm not sure |
| 03:02.57 | Xuerian | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info5942-_Nameplates_-_Nameplate_Modifications.html |
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| 03:04.58 | Kalamadi | Bleh. The *only* thing that'd be useful for would be Rajaxx in AQ20. Otherwise, you could just use one of the many raidframes out now, since bg raids are automatic |
| 03:05.15 | pb_ee1 | Xuerian: this seems to be a nice addon, but since we already have squishy (or whatever) when you are in a BG, what could this addon do better than squishy? |
| 03:05.18 | Xuerian | No, no, what I'm thinking is liek a lib.... |
| 03:05.21 | Xuerian | like, even |
| 03:05.32 | Xuerian | Like, on-hover of a grid box.... |
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| 03:05.37 | Xuerian | It'd highlight the unit if in range |
| 03:05.51 | Kalamadi | Grid already has rangechecking, though. |
| 03:05.57 | Xuerian | No, not for rangechecking |
| 03:06.33 | Xuerian | Just for the sake of awareness in fast-moving fights. |
| 03:06.37 | pb_ee1 | One thing that is missing in Grid is the ability to show buffs & group numbers :| |
| 03:06.49 | Kalamadi | I think pasta says groups are in the works |
| 03:06.52 | Xuerian | Or even a lib that catches unit tooltips and highlights whatever the mouse is over, no matter what kind of frame |
| 03:06.55 | Kalamadi | Group headers, that is |
| 03:07.01 | Kalamadi | And, if you want buffs, build a module. |
| 03:07.02 | pastamancer | why do people want group numbers |
| 03:07.07 | pb_ee1 | Kalamadi: That's it |
| 03:07.16 | Xuerian | pastamancer: Because sometimes raid leaders organize healing by groups? |
| 03:07.34 | pastamancer | learn to count, or make a sexy photoshop mockup |
| 03:07.35 | pb_ee1 | Kalamadi: Well I'm using CorkFu in order to see which buffs are missing |
| 03:08.43 | pb_ee1 | pastamancer: Well it's easier to read "Group 4" than couting 4 (or 5) from the right or even 5 from the left to catch the group you're looking for |
| 03:09.00 | pb_ee1 | right -> left || left -> right |
| 03:09.09 | pastamancer | then make a sexy mockup and post it in the grid thread |
| 03:09.25 | Kalamadi | pb_ee1: Are you asking for a module to be made that interfaces with CorkFu? |
| 03:10.15 | Kalamadi | I'd make it, but. I'm a pally. I'd have to make BlessingLib which would allow you to dynamically specify blessing assignments :P |
| 03:10.17 | pb_ee1 | Kalamadi: No, I would like to be able who in the raid have the Power: Fortitude buff for example |
| 03:10.30 | pb_ee1 | s/able/able to see/ |
| 03:10.32 | pastamancer | pb_ee1: use the auras module |
| 03:11.48 | Gngsk | Kalamadi, what's wrong with CorkFu? |
| 03:11.54 | pb_ee1 | pastamancer: Isn't it enabled by default? |
| 03:12.00 | Gngsk | er, pb_eel |
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| 03:13.00 | Kalamadi | I think he means as an example. |
| 03:13.16 | pastamancer | pb_ee1: isn't what enabled by default? You're asking to see who has PW:F, and I suggested that you use the auras module which allows you to add specific buffs and debuffs by name |
| 03:13.25 | pb_ee1 | Gngsk: Nothing precisely, but I would like to see in Grid the icons of buff in the squares |
| 03:13.47 | Kalamadi | pastamancer: Wait, is there inverse logic in there? To show an indicator if a buff is NOT there? |
| 03:14.10 | pastamancer | Kalamadi: no, someone else did write a missingbuffs module though |
| 03:14.18 | Kalamadi | Ah, okay. |
| 03:14.38 | pb_ee1 | pastamancer: But is it possible to see at the same time and in one corner only that a person doesn't have spirit AND stamina buffs? |
| 03:14.49 | pastamancer | pb_ee1: if you want to see icons for every (or a specific list of) buff on a player use sRaidFrames |
| 03:15.17 | pb_ee1 | pastamancer: gasp, I don't wan't to use both on them at the same time :P |
| 03:15.25 | pb_ee1 | s/on/of/ |
| 03:15.35 | pb_ee1 | rofl ;p |
| 03:15.48 | pastamancer | pb_ee1: sure, you could use the missingbuffs module (http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Grid/Other_Modules) and set the missing for PW:F and DS to the same indicator |
| 03:16.07 | Kalamadi | pb_ee1: You just bind both of those indictors to the same corner. If they're both missing, then there'll be no indicator :P |
| 03:16.15 | Kalamadi | Or the center, or whatever. |
| 03:16.24 | pb_ee1 | Aha, nice ;p |
| 03:16.49 | pb_ee1 | One question though: is there any icon for the "Death warning" center icon? |
| 03:17.15 | Kalamadi | If you make one, I'm sure pasta might consider adding it :P |
| 03:17.26 | Xuerian | You could use the unknown level icon. |
| 03:17.26 | pb_ee1 | I enabled it tonight and nothing displayed in the squares (but icons were displaying for shield, debuffs, ...) |
| 03:17.34 | pastamancer | there is no icon for death |
| 03:17.43 | Xuerian | Unknown level icon is a nice skull =D |
| 03:17.58 | pastamancer | give me the texture path |
| 03:18.38 | pb_ee1 | Interface\\Icons\\INV_Misc_Bone_TaurenSkull_01.blp |
| 03:18.50 | pb_ee1 | That could be fine ;p |
| 03:19.22 | Xuerian | lol |
| 03:19.42 | pb_ee1 | I was just surprised to see the "Death Warning" option in the Center icon menu without seeing any changes |
| 03:19.53 | pb_ee1 | ...when enabling it |
| 03:19.58 | Kalamadi | I wouldn't be :P |
| 03:20.06 | pastamancer | not everything has an icon :( |
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| 03:20.36 | pb_ee1 | Is it possible that you configure custom icons? I would be pleased to find the one that are missing ;) |
| 03:20.54 | pb_ee1 | find, or give you some paths to possible icons |
| 03:21.17 | Xuerian | "Interface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-TargetingFrame-Skull" |
| 03:22.03 | Kalamadi | Argh. I hate when my connection gets like this |
| 03:22.14 | Kalamadi | Cruising right along, then *hiccup* *BLARGH& |
| 03:22.19 | pastamancer | if you can think of a good interface for picking a custom icon, I can look at adding it |
| 03:22.30 | pastamancer | ah, thanks Xuerian |
| 03:22.36 | Kalamadi | A text field and a validator? :P |
| 03:22.53 | Xuerian | Argh, laggy with two wow's running in 614mb of ram >_< |
| 03:23.22 | pb_ee1 | pastamancer: Dunno if I will have time for this, but thanks anyway for the information you gave ;) |
| 03:23.28 | Kalamadi | pastamancer: Same way you add/remove in the Aura module, just with a little bit of validation footwork |
| 03:23.41 | Kalamadi | If the validation bugs, ignore the information |
| 03:25.12 | pastamancer | and have people enter the complete path to the texture? |
| 03:26.51 | pb_ee1 | pastamancer: Maybe they could choose between a few different icons |
| 03:27.25 | kebinusan | just make a list of all the texture paths for icons and build a browsable table out of them? |
| 03:27.27 | pb_ee1 | I don't think a lot of people will install the WoW Kit and a BLP converter to find the path to the icon they want ;p |
| 03:27.49 | kebinusan | pb_ee I have most of the icons on my website cause of itemstats |
| 03:27.55 | kebinusan | so I just browse it there, but yeah |
| 03:28.18 | pastamancer | I can add the icon to the AceDB table for the statuses where it would make sense. Then you can change it from an external addon or a macro. |
| 03:28.33 | kebinusan | yeah |
| 03:28.45 | kebinusan | like an LoD addon to select icons maybe |
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| 03:29.09 | pb_ee1 | kebinusan: An addon that would look like ItemRack, maybe? |
| 03:29.34 | pb_ee1 | (I'm only talking about the part to select an icon for a set) |
| 03:29.41 | kebinusan | yea or like the panel similar to the macro panel |
| 03:29.59 | kebinusan | the one you use to set a new icon for a macro |
| 03:30.27 | pb_ee1 | Dunno if it is possible to reuse a bit of Blizzard's code to do it |
| 03:30.41 | pb_ee1 | But at least it would be highly customizable |
| 03:32.15 | pb_ee1 | Well, going to sleep, I'm starting in 2 hours... ;p Good night all |
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| 03:33.44 | pastamancer | that is what otters do |
| 03:33.54 | JJSheets | :) |
| 03:37.05 | Kalamadi | Still can't play WoW until tomorrow night... |
| 03:37.24 | Kalamadi | I've taken a hiatus from Monday until Thursday. I'm bored D: |
| 03:37.29 | JJSheets | lol |
| 03:37.29 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 03:37.42 | Xuerian | Why? |
| 03:38.14 | Kalamadi | My guild was getting nippy. I don't give women any more slack than men, but the rest of the guild's whipped. |
| 03:38.36 | Xuerian | So instead you spend your day browsing mods and in a wow mod chatroom? :p |
| 03:38.50 | JJSheets | lol |
| 03:38.57 | Kalamadi | Dude. It's wednesday. |
| 03:39.08 | Kalamadi | I just logged into #wowace today |
| 03:39.34 | Xuerian | orly. |
| 03:39.41 | Kalamadi | YA RLY. |
| 03:39.51 | Xuerian | if you say so :p |
| 03:40.09 | Kalamadi | I've spent the time learning a foreign language, pimping my foobar2k, making my laptop user-friendly, and playing stepmania. |
| 03:40.34 | Xuerian | What language? What version of FB2k? What nifty programs? And just plain wtf? |
| 03:41.14 | Kalamadi | Hold on, I'm in a song |
| 03:43.08 | Kalamadi | Japanese, 0.9.4.1, Kuroo, DDR sim |
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| 03:44.19 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16434 10FuBar_SWStats2Fu/ (FuBar_SWStats2Fu.toc SWStatsFu.lua swstats.lua): FuBar_SWStats2Fu: embedding sws data exchange module. does not yet load the module |
| 03:44.36 | Xuerian | 0.9? can't leave 0.8, can't leave foo_temple/foo_looks behind ='(.... Japanese? I tried learning that for a while.... Kuroo, whassat? <.<... and ah. /boredwhilebusy |
| 03:45.57 | Kalamadi | foo_temple? foo_looks? Whasat? |
| 03:46.03 | CIA-17 | 03greywind * r16435 10Shifter2/ (. Shifter2.toc core.lua locals.lua): |
| 03:46.03 | CIA-17 | Shifter2: |
| 03:46.03 | CIA-17 | - fixed a nil error |
| 03:46.03 | CIA-17 | - removed AceDB since i wasnt using it |
| 03:46.10 | Kalamadi | By the way, Pump Me Amadeus is the best song ever |
| 03:46.15 | Xuerian | Oh, and um, foo_scheduler |
| 03:46.21 | Xuerian | temple is a enqueue list |
| 03:46.24 | Xuerian | (might be in 9...) |
| 03:46.33 | Tekkub | hrm... I have a sudden MySpace urge... but with a less shitty site |
| 03:46.41 | Tekkub | like orkut :) |
| 03:46.42 | Xuerian | foo_looks was the biggest skinning extension to foobar, but never got ported |
| 03:46.50 | Tekkub | lets make a WoWAce group! |
| 03:46.53 | Xuerian | STAB IT TEKKUB! Stabit quickly before it gets away! |
| 03:46.56 | Xuerian | Oh lord |
| 03:47.05 | Xuerian | "WoWAce Dating Service." |
| 03:47.12 | Xuerian | slogan, must think of slogan.. |
| 03:47.17 | Tekkub | that'd work |
| 03:47.34 | CIA-17 | 03greywind * r16436 10Shifter2/Shifter2.toc: |
| 03:47.34 | CIA-17 | Shifter2: |
| 03:47.34 | CIA-17 | - added Babble-2.2 to optionaldeps and to x-embeds |
| 03:47.38 | Tekkub | "cause some people really like orcs and tauren"? |
| 03:47.46 | JJSheets | lol |
| 03:47.58 | Greywind | lol |
| 03:48.09 | Xuerian | No, no |
| 03:48.11 | JJSheets | any guy who has a hardon for upright walking moo moo cows is deranged. |
| 03:48.14 | Xuerian | has to do with embedding |
| 03:48.14 | JJSheets | lol |
| 03:48.51 | JJSheets | orcs I could halfway understand. :p |
| 03:49.04 | Kalamadi | I blame the furries. |
| 03:49.09 | Xuerian | Actually I find tauren more sxy than orcs |
| 03:49.11 | JJSheets | excellent target. |
| 03:49.15 | Greywind | Hey my tauren is hawt! |
| 03:49.15 | JJSheets | O.o |
| 03:49.47 | Kalamadi | OMG ITS SO FUURRRRRY. That's all I can think. |
| 03:49.55 | JJSheets | I admint I like the female elves the most... but then again, I'm in lust with Mila Jovovich too... |
| 03:50.14 | JJSheets | s/admint/admit/ |
| 03:50.16 | pastamancer | JJSheets: multipass? |
| 03:50.17 | JJSheets | damnit. |
| 03:50.25 | JJSheets | multi-fucking-pass. |
| 03:50.26 | kergoth | JJSheets: who -isnt- in lust iwth mila jovavich? |
| 03:50.27 | kergoth | honestly |
| 03:50.30 | JJSheets | lol |
| 03:51.04 | JJSheets | I woulda paid that stewardess a grand not to put me to sleep in the space flight for an extra couple hours at least... |
| 03:51.07 | Xuerian | Who IS mila jovavich? |
| 03:51.14 | JJSheets | infidel |
| 03:51.20 | JJSheets | you dirty rotten infidel |
| 03:51.23 | JJSheets | lol |
| 03:51.27 | FryGuy- | leeloo dallas multipass! |
| 03:51.30 | Greywind | Hmm furry females are the best, they keep you warm at night better than fat females :P |
| 03:51.39 | FryGuy- | mmm |
| 03:51.40 | Xuerian | Amen, grey. |
| 03:51.44 | FryGuy- | <3 fifth element |
| 03:51.48 | FryGuy- | my favourite movie evar |
| 03:51.54 | Xuerian | Never seen that... >.> |
| 03:52.00 | kergoth | gasp! |
| 03:52.05 | kergoth | ~bad Xuerian |
| 03:52.09 | purl | Bad Xuerian, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 03:52.14 | Xuerian | o.0; |
| 03:52.20 | JJSheets | how about Resident Evil, Xuerian? |
| 03:52.24 | FryGuy- | http://imdb.com/name/nm0000170/ |
| 03:52.52 | Xuerian | Seen the movie, yes.... Don't remember much of it |
| 03:53.07 | JJSheets | do you at least remember the hot chicks? |
| 03:53.18 | Xuerian | JJSheets: No =( |
| 03:53.24 | JJSheets | infidel. |
| 03:53.36 | kergoth | :( |
| 03:53.44 | Greywind | too bad she got drug into Ultraviolet, that was a horrible waste of my 8.50 at the movies |
| 03:53.45 | FryGuy- | who was the other one |
| 03:53.50 | FryGuy- | in RE |
| 03:53.55 | FryGuy- | the one on lost |
| 03:53.59 | FryGuy- | for like 10 episodes? |
| 03:54.03 | JJSheets | Greywind, I bought it just so I could stare at her more. :p |
| 03:54.12 | Xuerian | Kalamadi: Foo_Looks with FooPilot: http://imagesocket.com/view/foo_looks_foo_pilot547.png The play button has all the controls, you click/rightclick/clickdrag(any direction) to do various things, mousewheel or drag the volume or position, mute, has autohide, right click progress to show playlist, that kind of thing |
| 03:54.17 | Xuerian | Well... I did see that |
| 03:54.24 | FryGuy- | michelle rodriguez |
| 03:54.30 | JJSheets | FryGuy, she was hot too, but being latino, she'd probably kill me. |
| 03:54.38 | Xuerian | The one in Ultraviolet is the one in quesiton? |
| 03:54.41 | FryGuy- | if you look closely in fifth element you can see her boobies :p |
| 03:54.53 | JJSheets | I have that frame saved. :p |
| 03:54.55 | JJSheets | lol |
| 03:54.56 | CIA-17 | 03aileen * r16437 10FuBar_FarmerFu/ (FarmerFu.lua FuBar_FarmerFu.toc README.txt): FuBar_FarmerFu - Got rid of some Compost tables that were causing headaches |
| 03:55.12 | FryGuy- | i love that entire scene |
| 03:55.41 | FryGuy- | stuffing the guys in the fridge.. multiwash.. bashing korben on the head with the statue.. all of it :p |
| 03:55.42 | kergoth | Peter: That was then and this is now. And this is a chair. And that's a lamp. And you have boobies. |
| 03:56.02 | FryGuy- | oh |
| 03:56.10 | FryGuy- | and lieutenant iceberg nodding |
| 03:56.12 | kergoth | ~emulate peter |
| 03:56.19 | purl | NOOOOOO. Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids. Damn longears, trying to take Easter away from Jesus. Anyway, what was that you were saying? |
| 03:56.40 | JJSheets | lol |
| 03:57.24 | FryGuy- | hmm |
| 03:57.28 | Gngsk | I don't get it... |
| 03:57.35 | FryGuy- | it lists something called "The star element" for milla jovovich |
| 03:57.35 | kergoth | ~emulate brian |
| 03:57.37 | purl | Well, Peter, if you're going to pull a party out of your ass, you might want to go ahead and stand up. |
| 03:57.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:57.44 | FryGuy- | wonder if that was a sequel or something to fifth element |
| 03:58.38 | Kalamadi | Xuerian: That's pretty slick |
| 03:58.47 | Kalamadi | I'll SS mine when I can be assed to stop playing stepmania |
| 03:59.01 | FryGuy- | hmm |
| 03:59.05 | FryGuy- | it's probably the bonus feature |
| 03:59.07 | Xuerian | Kalamadi: It is indeed, it's amazing- It's just a pity .9 hasn't gotten it yet |
| 03:59.40 | Kalamadi | I think it was scrapped because it might have been incompatable with the new design interface |
| 03:59.48 | Kalamadi | (I vote for XML, either way) |
| 04:00.14 | Kalamadi | Okay, I found the song I've been looking for for the past 15 minutes |
| 04:00.19 | Kalamadi | So I'll be active after this |
| 04:01.58 | Xuerian | Kalamadi: Yes, it was incompatable with the new ui, and the developer kinda vanished |
| 04:02.35 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6818 |
| 04:03.34 | Xuerian | haha |
| 04:03.39 | Xuerian | <3 Cairenn |
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| 04:04.10 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16438 10FuBar_SWStats2Fu/ (6 files in 2 dirs): FuBar_SWStats2Fu: Reworking how to merge these 2 |
| 04:04.47 | Mpstark | Tekkub: Thanks so much for getting my toc-wiki thing-a-ma-bob updated, I had no idea that you had to touch the toc. |
| 04:05.03 | Tekkub | :P |
| 04:05.25 | Mpstark | ^.^ Sorta new to the whole SVN thing. |
| 04:05.43 | Cairenn | do feel free to reply to the post, with quotes, so the picture is spammed |
| 04:06.27 | eternally777 | Error on GridFrame.lua line 207 in function UnitIsDeadOrGhost() |
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| 04:06.33 | eternally777 | everytime I mouse over a frame |
| 04:06.45 | Kalamadi | I know the solution right away |
| 04:06.48 | Kalamadi | Stop mousing over frames |
| 04:06.58 | eternally777 | Kinda makes it hard to heal |
| 04:07.09 | eternally777 | But Ok, I need a written note from you to give to my guild. |
| 04:07.13 | [Liquidor] | Good morning :) |
| 04:07.24 | Kalamadi | My hand's busted, can I phone in? |
| 04:08.08 | Kalamadi | Xuerian: http://68.202.83.244/foobar.png |
| 04:08.16 | Kalamadi | Hold on, the file's still compressing :x |
| 04:08.26 | Kalamadi | Forgot I put it on three passes... |
| 04:08.39 | pastamancer | eternally777: is that all there is to the message? |
| 04:10.22 | Kalamadi | *whistles, pokes PNGOUT* Ooookay, it's ready. |
| 04:10.27 | eternally777 | Yessir |
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| 04:10.34 | Kalamadi | Aaaand the image got borked. Dammit! |
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| 04:11.57 | Kalamadi | Xuerian: http://68.202.83.244/foobar.png |
| 04:15.37 | Xuerian | nice |
| 04:15.41 | Xuerian | I'll get one of mine in a minute :p |
| 04:16.00 | Xuerian | (Damnit, I need another monitor. Two is so not enough) |
| 04:16.27 | Xuerian | (Must....Create... Array.... of screens! Be.... ultimate... techie!) |
| 04:18.30 | Xuerian | Should I make XLoot Group look like the Xloot window or the monitor frame? >.> |
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| 04:19.42 | CIA-17 | 03damjau * r16439 10FuBar_RegenFu/FuBar_RegenLocal-koKR.lua: FuBar_RegenFu: update koKR |
| 04:19.52 | CIA-17 | 03damjau * r16440 10FuBar_SkinnerFu/ (FuBar_SkinnerFu.toc SkinnerFu.lua): FuBar_SkinnerFu - add koKR local, Notes-koKR |
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| 04:20.28 | CIA-17 | 03damjau * r16441 10GotWood/ (4 files in 2 dirs): GotWood - Add koKR local, notes-koKR |
| 04:20.37 | CIA-17 | 03damjau * r16442 10kLagmeter/kLagmeter.toc: kLagmeter - add notes-koKR |
| 04:21.35 | CIA-17 | 03damjau * r16443 10sRaidFrames/ (localization.koKR.lua sRaidFrames.toc): sRaidFrames - Update koKR |
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| 04:23.37 | Meiun | this is a proper fb2k setup http://deth.se/foo.png ;D! |
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| 04:24.02 | CIA-17 | 03pastamancer * r16444 10Grid/ (7 files): |
| 04:24.02 | CIA-17 | Grid: |
| 04:24.02 | CIA-17 | - Status modules now check their settings for an icon where appropriate. |
| 04:24.02 | CIA-17 | - Fixed dead unit check in GridFrame's OnEnter. |
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| 04:29.46 | Xuerian | Nice CUI, Meiun :P |
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| 04:30.30 | Meiun | ;> |
| 04:30.38 | eternally777 | ty pastamancer |
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| 04:33.49 | Xuerian | If .9 had foo_looks, I'd set one of those up.... Then again mine suits me just fine right now, ultra-simple <.<... http://imagesocket.com/view/foobar_layout1dd.png |
| 04:33.53 | Meiun | uhh comic sans? :F |
| 04:33.56 | Xuerian | Yesh :3 |
| 04:34.02 | Xuerian | Wintermute and Comic Sans = win. |
| 04:34.27 | Meiun | oO |
| 04:34.40 | CIA-17 | 03damjau * r16445 10ShakeThatThing/ (Core.lua Locale-enUS.lua Locale-koKR.lua ShakeThatThing.toc): |
| 04:34.40 | CIA-17 | ShakeThatThing: |
| 04:34.40 | CIA-17 | - add koKR local |
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| 04:34.52 | Xuerian | Wintermute is the titlebar font <.<.... ecclectic tastes, I know <.<... anyhow. columnsui is yummy. |
| 04:36.18 | Kalamadi | ... |
| 04:36.22 | Kalamadi | Wintermute's my lappy's name |
| 04:36.33 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 04:37.38 | Kalamadi | Okay, I'm bored now. |
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| 04:38.26 | Kalamadi | I think I'll do the same thing I always do when I'm bored. Shave body parts~! |
| 04:38.41 | JJSheets | O.o |
| 04:38.50 | Xuerian | Oo, that's always fun. |
| 04:39.06 | Kalamadi | Always great, finding out what gets irritated the next day |
| 04:39.15 | Xuerian | And the days after that |
| 04:39.25 | Xuerian | When you find out if it's gonna happen again. |
| 04:40.01 | Kalamadi | And, when you find something that doesn't get irritated, you have to sit and wonder how to keep it shaved forever. |
| 04:40.56 | Kalamadi | I'm still upset that the industry hasn't yet found a way to permantly stop topical hair growth |
| 04:41.08 | Kalamadi | s/permantly/permanently/ |
| 04:41.13 | Xuerian | It's a shame =\ |
| 04:41.21 | Kalamadi | I hate shaving my face :< |
| 04:41.47 | Xuerian | Worse than anywhere else for some reason. |
| 04:42.07 | Kalamadi | It's because you can leave pretty much anywhere else untended and nobody'll notice |
| 04:42.38 | Kalamadi | Oh well. AFK. Time to use the low setting on the trimmer =3 |
| 04:42.41 | Xuerian | Mm, true, but throat hurts like hell if you don't follow the grain right >.> |
| 04:42.45 | Xuerian | XD enjoy |
| 04:44.10 | Greywind | lol |
| 04:48.25 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16446 10FuBar_SWStats2Fu/ (. FuBar_SWStats2Fu.toc Interview.lua): FuBar_SWStats2Fu: Im in your SVN, updating your externals... |
| 04:48.39 | ckknight_ | hey all |
| 04:48.49 | Xuerian | heya ck. |
| 04:52.56 | Kalamadi | Xuerian: No, no, you've got it backwards. I developed these habits as a product of therapy :P |
| 04:53.16 | Xuerian | Heeee, I had them without therapy! =D... fun aren't they. |
| 04:53.27 | Kalamadi | Oh, quite. |
| 04:53.42 | ckknight | I feel sad for people who are just starting out and don't use Ace2. |
| 04:54.10 | Kalamadi | We're the Linux of the WoW world. |
| 04:54.36 | JJSheets | lol |
| 04:54.38 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16447 10FuBar_RegenFu/: FuBar_RegenFu: Im in your SVN, updating your externals... |
| 04:54.52 | ckknight | lol, Kalamadi |
| 04:55.00 | Xuerian | So true. |
| 04:55.16 | ckknight | I'd consider Ace2 to be more the boost library of the WoW world :-P |
| 04:55.20 | ckknight | for those who know C++ |
| 04:55.36 | sylvanaar | heh - no, i think you have more users |
| 04:55.37 | eternally777 | -.- |
| 04:55.47 | ckknight | hehe, sylvanaar |
| 04:55.49 | eternally777 | The Linux analogy was fine. imo |
| 04:55.51 | eternally777 | :P |
| 04:56.21 | JJSheets | ckknight, but Ace2 isn't as cryptic as boost can be. :p |
| 04:56.58 | Adrine | Anyone aware of any special circumstances surrounding using AceHook with GameTooltip:SetInventoryItem() |
| 04:56.59 | Adrine | ? |
| 04:57.17 | ckknight | Adrine, GameTooltip can be icky |
| 04:57.23 | sylvanaar | template based metaprograming became to academic |
| 04:57.28 | Adrine | Heh, so I'm discovering. |
| 04:58.01 | Adrine | It works for every other mouse-over, but with SetInventoryItem(), it just shows the name of the slot, similar to if I were inspecting someone out of range. |
| 04:58.10 | Adrine | http://ace.pastey.net/2275 |
| 04:58.42 | Adrine | I've verified that the data going in is right. |
| 04:58.56 | ckknight | Adrine, use a secure hook, for one. |
| 05:00.38 | Adrine | Hah, that did it. |
| 05:01.09 | Kalamadi | Xuerian: Do you know if electrolysis works effectively? |
| 05:01.56 | FryGuy- | turning water into hydrogen and oxygen? |
| 05:02.11 | sylvanaar | not as effective as photo-dipilation |
| 05:02.27 | Kalamadi | ...as far as for hair removal. God. |
| 05:03.59 | Xuerian | Xuerian: I've been limited to my own methods, And I strictly rule out electricity. |
| 05:04.37 | Kalamadi | Well. You can preform electrolysis en solo |
| 05:04.37 | FryGuy- | sorry i wasn't paying attention |
| 05:04.50 | FryGuy- | i just saw "do you know if electrolysis works effectively" in my channel monitor |
| 05:05.00 | Xuerian | Once more, electricity and me, nah-uh. |
| 05:05.01 | FryGuy- | and was like "OOH better go to that conversation!" |
| 05:05.41 | Kalamadi | Xuerian: What about laser, then? I'm very pale and I have dark hair... Do you know if it has a good track record? |
| 05:05.50 | sylvanaar | FryGuy-: it is only somewhat effective |
| 05:06.05 | sylvanaar | Xuerian: <-- |
| 05:06.17 | sylvanaar | omg |
| 05:06.23 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 05:06.37 | Kalamadi | Rofflecopter. |
| 05:06.40 | FryGuy- | my friend's fiance is having the laser one done on her legs |
| 05:06.42 | Xuerian | Kalamadi: A dull razor is a consistant friend. :p |
| 05:06.55 | FryGuy- | well |
| 05:06.57 | FryGuy- | not like a laser |
| 05:07.00 | sylvanaar | EpiLight is your friend |
| 05:07.10 | FryGuy- | but.. infrared and some compound on the body |
| 05:07.23 | FryGuy- | i'm not sure if it's infrared or just a really bright light |
| 05:08.45 | sylvanaar | if you have high contrast betweek skin color and hair color - you can use light based transdermal methods that are very effective |
| 05:09.20 | FryGuy- | maybe that's what she's having |
| 05:09.26 | FryGuy- | she's really white :p |
| 05:09.30 | FryGuy- | as white as i am |
| 05:09.39 | Greywind | corpse white? |
| 05:09.43 | FryGuy- | eh |
| 05:09.44 | Greywind | :P |
| 05:09.47 | FryGuy- | not that bad :p |
| 05:09.58 | Kalamadi | I've medium-brown hair and I'm, well. Flesh colored. Low fat and no pigment! |
| 05:10.20 | FryGuy- | i hate shaving my face too :( |
| 05:10.33 | pastamancer | FryGuy-: grow a beard :p |
| 05:10.39 | FryGuy- | they look horrible |
| 05:10.44 | FryGuy- | i can't grow enough |
| 05:10.45 | pastamancer | you take that back! |
| 05:10.48 | pastamancer | oh |
| 05:10.49 | sylvanaar | the dark colors heat up faster that the light ones - so high intensity light flashes can be used to burn the area around the hair - the follicle, and the damage does not get fully repaired |
| 05:11.01 | JJSheets | FryGuy- You'll never grow enough if you never let it grow. |
| 05:11.10 | FryGuy- | heh |
| 05:11.11 | FryGuy- | well |
| 05:11.17 | FryGuy- | i can't grow a moustache |
| 05:11.19 | JJSheets | I used to think I couldn't grow a beard... now I'm a funkin fuzzball |
| 05:11.26 | FryGuy- | i shave my upper lip like once a month |
| 05:11.35 | FryGuy- | it's just all that hair on my neck that bothers me :( |
| 05:11.41 | JJSheets | trim it. |
| 05:11.44 | FryGuy- | it's hard to get with the shaver |
| 05:11.45 | Kalamadi | sylvanaar: How much does epilight typically cost? |
| 05:11.56 | FryGuy- | financing is available :p |
| 05:12.02 | JJSheets | lol |
| 05:12.05 | Greywind | lol |
| 05:12.10 | FryGuy- | i'm serious! |
| 05:13.12 | Greywind | bleh I need to go to the store to pick up some baking supplies, one of my employees is having a birthday tommorow. cya all later |
| 05:13.24 | sylvanaar | Kalamadi: dunno depends on how large an area but its fairly cheap nech $100 every 3 months or so |
| 05:13.33 | Xuerian | FryGuy-: Hungarian or native american ancestors? :p |
| 05:13.43 | sylvanaar | Kalamadi: how old are you |
| 05:13.48 | Kalamadi | Eighteen :P |
| 05:14.09 | Xuerian | cya Grey|away |
| 05:14.21 | sylvanaar | Kalamadi: then you will have increasing amounts and will need to keep having it done |
| 05:14.30 | Kalamadi | Grey|away, the new hair product for men! |
| 05:14.42 | Xuerian | XD |
| 05:14.52 | sylvanaar | Kalamadi: into your mid 20's |
| 05:15.05 | Adrine | Ouch. Externals checkouts from the wowace svn are slooooow. |
| 05:15.22 | Kalamadi | sylvanaar: That's, like. A very long time away :O |
| 05:15.43 | sylvanaar | Kalamadi: it just seems that way |
| 05:16.55 | Grey|away | ~whaleslap Kalamadi |
| 05:16.57 | purl | ACTION beats Kalamadi upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 05:17.04 | Kalamadi | =( |
| 05:18.24 | sylvanaar | wtb standard ace distribution so i dont have to manage externals |
| 05:18.49 | kergoth | you don't need to use externals. its your choice to use them to ensure you always have the latest libs |
| 05:18.59 | Adrine | Which I do, which is why I'm using 'em :) |
| 05:19.01 | kergoth | you're welcome to include specific versions of the libs directly |
| 05:19.34 | Kalamadi | sylvanaar: I guess you'll have to wait at least until post-exp. |
| 05:20.00 | sylvanaar | im not really expecting one - it was more of a poke |
| 05:21.15 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16448 10FuBar_SWStats2Fu/: FuBar_SWStats2Fu: Im in your SVN, updating your externals... |
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| 05:23.01 | Kalamadi | sylvanaar: So...should I wait until my mid-20s to begin seeking that treatment and stick to my modified electric razers for now? |
| 05:23.36 | [Cu]Werik | I have never had electric razers:( |
| 05:23.46 | sylvanaar | Kalamadi: get it done - just im saying you are going to have to continue it because of new growth |
| 05:24.07 | Kalamadi | Mmmk. Now I just have to find a job in this damned area. |
| 05:24.41 | sylvanaar | Kalamadi: where you live or programming |
| 05:25.20 | Kalamadi | In my general area. Volusia county, Florida. I'm not educated enough to seek a job in my field of choice, yet. |
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| 05:31.07 | pastamancer | haha, I just found the imprisoned naaru in silvermoon city |
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| 05:39.37 | ckknight | pastamancer, yep, by the paladin trainer |
| 05:39.50 | ckknight | for the pally quest, you have to drain it of its essence. |
| 05:41.10 | JJSheets | ckknight, any chance you'd add a return id line to the end of Cartographe_Notes:CreateNewPOI(), say inserted before line 1023? |
| 05:41.32 | ckknight | mmm... maybe, but what'd be the use, jw? |
| 05:42.11 | JJSheets | ckknight: other addons which add map notes may want to be able to delete the ones they added. |
| 05:42.44 | ckknight | mmm... fair enough |
| 05:42.53 | ckknight | I need to get the id system to be better, though |
| 05:43.16 | ckknight | still haven't thought of a better way, though |
| 05:43.24 | JJSheets | ckknight: you could also add the ability to call a function say, when double clicking or somesuch, on a map note. Obviously so I could allow people to link Omnibus Pages to locations in world map. |
| 05:44.04 | JJSheets | ckknight, keep the random number... if the id is already taken, add one to the new id until the id isn't taken. |
| 05:44.36 | JJSheets | chances are the loop wouldn't happen, and when it does it would be extremely unlikely to do more than one iteration. |
| 05:45.07 | JJSheets | expecially with a range of 0 to 1,073,741,823 :) |
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| 05:46.05 | ckknight_ | gah |
| 05:46.07 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> cause for PinPoint/Gatherer, for example, you wouldn't want to put down two POIs on the same herb. |
| 05:46.09 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> JJSheets, that wouldn't work right cause pois are meant to be saved in the SV. |
| 05:46.25 | JJSheets | ah... hmm you're right... |
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| 05:47.58 | JJSheets | how about require a function to be supplied in text form, compiled only when first executed (so it doesn't slow anything down much). |
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| 05:49.32 | JJSheets | I have another possible idea. instead of a function, supply an AceEvent and args to fire. |
| 05:50.22 | JJSheets | It would fail quietly if the addon that responds to the event isn't active. |
| 05:50.36 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 05:52.29 | FryGuy- | swstatsfu? |
| 05:53.22 | sylvanaar | FryGuy-: 2fu yeah and regenfu's 5 second bar |
| 05:53.43 | Kalamadi | Every day I don't play WoW, I shave a body part |
| 05:54.10 | JJSheets | Is there a point to this Kalamadi? :) |
| 05:54.20 | Kalamadi | No, I'm just on my own meme |
| 05:54.43 | Kalamadi | That, and it's fun to toy with the trimmer, trying to work the tolerances down |
| 05:54.46 | FryGuy- | what's diff between 2fu? |
| 05:55.17 | JJSheets | a single body part, or a random one each day? And do I really want to know? Nevermind.. I don't... O.o |
| 05:58.55 | sylvanaar | FryGuy-: it interfaces with sws and can provide per fight statistics and share configurations |
| 06:00.22 | sylvanaar | FryGuy-: its functionality you cant get with just sws |
| 06:01.44 | JJSheets | Well, I gotta get some sleep... early day tomorrow. Ya'll have fun. |
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| 06:32.15 | pastamancer | Is anyone around that could give my 60s an invite to TargetUnit? |
| 06:36.27 | ckknight | pastamancer, lemme hop on |
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| 06:37.52 | pastamancer | toss Pasta an invite |
| 06:39.06 | ckknight | pastamancer, what's your name? |
| 06:39.10 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:41.46 | ckknight | my name's Cecelia |
| 06:42.10 | pastamancer | on hellfire? |
| 06:42.54 | ckknight | no |
| 06:43.00 | ckknight | on Tempest Keep, EU |
| 06:43.22 | nymbia | isn't that half way around the world or so? |
| 06:43.28 | pastamancer | ah, I'll have to wait for someone on hellfire then |
| 06:55.07 | ckknight | grr, I hate forced charity |
| 06:55.12 | ckknight | it's like welfare |
| 06:55.14 | ckknight | and that's icky. |
| 06:55.35 | [Cu]Werik | welfare? |
| 06:55.58 | [Cu]Werik | What's wrong with welfare?:) |
| 06:56.16 | ckknight | in America, we have a system called "welfare" where lazy people steal money from hardworking people |
| 06:56.53 | [Cu]Werik | Oh come on |
| 06:56.58 | ckknight | what? |
| 06:57.04 | ckknight | you ever been in section-8 housing |
| 06:57.04 | ckknight | ? |
| 06:57.24 | ckknight | I've worked on quite a few (probably 6 or so) |
| 06:57.39 | [Cu]Werik | Probably not, since I couldnt live any further from the states |
| 06:57.43 | ckknight | every time, you have like 4 people sitting around, midday, not doing anything productive |
| 06:57.58 | ckknight | sitting around their 50-inch TVs that they bought with my taxdollars |
| 06:58.42 | [Cu]Werik | But it's not the fault of welfare :) |
| 06:58.55 | ckknight | why isn't it? welfare makes the lower class complacent |
| 06:59.27 | [Cu]Werik | No |
| 06:59.30 | ckknight | I just don't see why they should be stealing my hard earned dollars for it |
| 06:59.56 | ckknight | if someone willingly gave them that money, I'd be fine with it |
| 07:00.00 | [Cu]Werik | Choices make you free, and freedom is welfare |
| 07:00.06 | ckknight | but don't steal it from me and call it welfare. |
| 07:00.13 | ckknight | choices? |
| 07:00.19 | ckknight | I don't have a _choice_ in paying taxes. |
| 07:00.32 | [Cu]Werik | The more choices you have, the more freedom you have |
| 07:00.43 | [Cu]Werik | And the more freedom you have, the better you live |
| 07:00.47 | ckknight | agreed, how is that relevant? |
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| 07:01.36 | [Cu]Werik | I'm just pointing out that welfare has nothing to do with those people sitting there and watching TV. I'm not saying it is good to do that, but it's two different things |
| 07:01.55 | ckknight | they wouldn't be able to without welfare |
| 07:02.06 | ckknight | they'd probably need to get a job and do something productive instead. |
| 07:02.16 | ckknight | since there would be no TV or government-paid housing |
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| 07:02.25 | ckknight | hey Tem |
| 07:03.06 | din` | i'd say we should let em die in the gutter, but really, why is that gutter even there in the first place? government stole my money to build that road too! |
| 07:03.10 | [Cu]Werik | without welfare |
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| 07:03.31 | ckknight | we need to take the word welfare out of welfare state. |
| 07:03.38 | ckknight | din`, hehe, you and me both. |
| 07:03.54 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 07:04.04 | [Cu]Werik | without welfare, there wont be freedom |
| 07:04.07 | [Cu]Werik | neither choices |
| 07:04.18 | [Cu]Werik | nor pink chewing gums |
| 07:04.21 | ckknight | how does welfare equate to freedom? |
| 07:04.30 | [Cu]Werik | which I really dont want because I love pink chewing gums |
| 07:04.47 | [Cu]Werik | Just said, choice>freedom>welfare |
| 07:05.01 | ckknight | that's not an answer. |
| 07:05.13 | ckknight | again, how does welfare equate to freedom? |
| 07:05.22 | ckknight | why are you enslaved without welfare? |
| 07:06.06 | [Cu]Werik | without welfare you dont have choices, because if you would have choices, you could choose to live better and have more welfare |
| 07:06.18 | [FH]Birdemani | what wardrobe mod works on beta? |
| 07:06.40 | ckknight | why does welfare provide choices? you have choices without welfare. |
| 07:06.42 | Xuerian | Welfare is a poverty provision system, not a constant payout |
| 07:06.56 | [Cu]Werik | and being able to choose equals to having freedom |
| 07:07.05 | ckknight | [Cu]Werik, I think our terminology is different |
| 07:07.12 | [Cu]Werik | Yes, I think so:) |
| 07:07.15 | ckknight | by welfare, I mean a government-imposed welfare system |
| 07:07.34 | ckknight | where my taxes go into the system, and poor people get free money |
| 07:07.40 | [Cu]Werik | Look at it from this perspective. |
| 07:08.41 | [Cu]Werik | The government helps people generate stuff you can choose from, more mobile phones, more food, more card houses hair styles whatever |
| 07:08.59 | [Cu]Werik | the more they help, the more choices you can have. |
| 07:09.03 | ckknight | the government stole that money to buy that stuff from somewhere. |
| 07:09.09 | [Cu]Werik | Yes |
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| 07:09.22 | ckknight | from people who earned it by their hard work. |
| 07:09.27 | [Cu]Werik | but they still produce choices |
| 07:09.36 | din` | well in actuality, you agree implicitly to be taxed by remaining a citizen |
| 07:09.51 | Kyah1 | http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/ -- Best forum trolling resource ever. |
| 07:09.54 | Kyah1 | :P |
| 07:10.04 | [Cu]Werik | I'm not even saying that having too many choices is good for welfare |
| 07:10.09 | ckknight | din`, but I disagree with the system, and I have no way to change it |
| 07:10.20 | ckknight | therefore, it is theft. |
| 07:10.27 | [Cu]Werik | probably, half as many choices as you have currently you would live twice as good |
| 07:10.37 | ckknight | all I have is my life and my liberty, and the product of my life and liberty: my property. |
| 07:10.43 | din` | by the standards of the society, its not theft, its just theft by your standards |
| 07:11.09 | ckknight | so if you steal my property away from me, you are diminishing the value of both my life and my liberty |
| 07:11.54 | Xuerian | To extend din`'s point, the standards of the society you voluntarily (once a adult) are a part of. |
| 07:11.57 | din` | well you also gain a number of benefits from the society. you are protected by its laws and police, you make use of public facilities and infrastructure, and so forth |
| 07:12.31 | ckknight | and if I had my choice, I would rather it were all privatized. |
| 07:12.34 | [Cu]Werik | Well, if we want to formalize things blatantly, you could say I dont pay taxes from now, and cready electricity, clean water, roads, food whatever by yourself, and noone would say anything:) |
| 07:12.53 | [Cu]Werik | create* |
| 07:13.06 | din` | well then, you want a very different society from the one you're electing to live in |
| 07:13.08 | [Cu]Werik | Because Iam pretty damn sure, they cost a crapload |
| 07:13.10 | ckknight | I just think those utilities should be privatized |
| 07:13.25 | ckknight | din`, yea, but no place is more beneficial to me economically. |
| 07:13.45 | din` | hence youre leeching from the economic strength of the society, you cant be too ungrateful |
| 07:13.56 | ckknight | why can't I be ungrateful? |
| 07:14.04 | [Cu]Werik | He can be ungrateful |
| 07:14.07 | din` | because youre receiving the benefits of the system |
| 07:14.10 | [Cu]Werik | But noone will care:) |
| 07:14.11 | Xuerian | Welcome to be =D |
| 07:14.16 | ckknight | just because I'm a leech and pay my taxes |
| 07:14.20 | ckknight | despite not wanting to |
| 07:14.25 | ckknight | I never said I was evading my taxes |
| 07:14.48 | [Cu]Werik | but if you say you dont want it |
| 07:14.48 | ckknight | I just disagree with the current system where I have to pay taxes and use the government-provided utilities |
| 07:14.51 | din` | well ill put it this way, if you didnt want to pay taxes all youd have to do would be to find enough people who want to accomodate you in doing that |
| 07:15.21 | ckknight | din`, there are people out there, probably in New Hampshire or something. |
| 07:15.37 | [Cu]Werik | There are a lot of people who are paying for things they dont need but you do |
| 07:15.40 | din` | but your company doesnt want to pay you off the books, because then its breaking laws, laws which protect it as well as potentially punish it |
| 07:15.42 | din` | etc. |
| 07:16.07 | [Cu]Werik | So it pretty much equals itself |
| 07:16.34 | ckknight | [Cu]Werik, the most permanent thing is a temporary government program. |
| 07:16.43 | ckknight | do you honestly think that every government program is good? |
| 07:16.53 | [Cu]Werik | No |
| 07:16.54 | ckknight | and that every government program is needed? |
| 07:17.02 | [Cu]Werik | I just dont care about politics and I have a wonderful life |
| 07:17.04 | [Cu]Werik | :P |
| 07:17.20 | ckknight | I am interested in politics so that one day politics will not be interested in me. |
| 07:17.44 | din` | and i am a socialist |
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| 07:17.46 | CIA-17 | - Removed data retrieval options; impact on performance was minimal. |
| 07:17.46 | CIA-17 | - Open profession windows will now not take up a UIPanel slot. |
| 07:17.48 | CIA-17 | - Skills learned mid-session that are not in a default sorting group will now correctly group into "Unsorted" |
| 07:17.49 | din` | so lets all get along! |
| 07:17.51 | ckknight | din`, icky! |
| 07:17.55 | ckknight | I'm a Libertarian, btw |
| 07:18.02 | din` | yeah, i could tell :P |
| 07:18.21 | weab | hooray for libertarians. |
| 07:18.30 | ckknight | din`, ever read Mussolini's writings? |
| 07:18.40 | din` | nope |
| 07:18.47 | ckknight | they're pretty interesting if you lean left |
| 07:19.05 | ckknight | he's very much a compromising leftist |
| 07:19.26 | ckknight | very similar to modern-day American liberal thinking, actually |
| 07:19.36 | ckknight | despite people not wanting to admit/believe that |
| 07:20.13 | ckknight | Mussolini imposed a minimum wage, made the trains run on time, took away church property and made it state property |
| 07:20.35 | ckknight | imposed sanctions on big business, had a protectionist economy |
| 07:20.40 | [Cu]Werik | church is a third thing again |
| 07:20.43 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 07:21.04 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 07:21.29 | [Cu]Werik | Nah, nvm. |
| 07:21.43 | [Cu]Werik | Better don't talk about religion, people are picky about it:) |
| 07:21.55 | ckknight | I have my own kooky religion |
| 07:22.08 | ckknight | basically, we're all playing one giant MMORPG. When we die, we reroll |
| 07:22.14 | [Cu]Werik | lol |
| 07:22.43 | ckknight | I have a whole dogma based around it, it's not as crazy as it sounds |
| 07:23.31 | [Cu]Werik | I'm neutral. Always neutral. It's a good thing. You can always talk with both parties without problems and you make your way three times faster than others while they are killing each other |
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| 07:25.25 | ckknight_ | gah |
| 07:25.27 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> I have a whole dogma based around it, it's not as crazy as it sounds |
| 07:25.29 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> more similar to matrix-style philosophy, but it's all self-imposed |
| 07:25.40 | [FH]Birdemani | what wardrobe mod works on beta? |
| 07:25.49 | [Cu]Werik | <[Cu]Werik> I'm neutral. Always neutral. It's a good thing. You can always talk with both parties without problems and you make your way three times faster than others while they are killing each other |
| 07:25.49 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 07:26.46 | weab | so by ckknight's religion, you rolled a true neutral programmer. |
| 07:26.54 | [Cu]Werik | haha |
| 07:26.55 | weab | next time go for a chaotic evil politician. |
| 07:26.58 | ckknight | true neutral |
| 07:26.58 | ckknight | fuck that, guy |
| 07:27.01 | ckknight | chaotic neutral ftw |
| 07:27.12 | ckknight | I don't believe in good or evil |
| 07:27.14 | weab | crazy people scare me. |
| 07:27.16 | ckknight | it's all too subjective |
| 07:27.21 | [Cu]Werik | It certainly is |
| 07:27.31 | Neebler | what do you call that? |
| 07:27.33 | ckknight | wtf, guy! |
| 07:27.42 | [Cu]Werik | there is no such ting as true netural programmer |
| 07:27.44 | ckknight | Neebler, God hates fags. |
| 07:27.52 | ckknight | think on this. |
| 07:28.16 | weab | nonsense, i hear god watches queer eye for the straight guy religiously |
| 07:28.21 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 07:28.24 | [Cu]Werik | Programmers are always evil |
| 07:28.39 | ckknight | yea, well my religion doesn't include any kind of benevolent/malevolent God figure |
| 07:28.47 | ckknight | we're all gods in a way, at least we're all immortal |
| 07:28.52 | ckknight | and we just keep rerolling. |
| 07:29.03 | [Cu]Werik | or cheating?:) |
| 07:29.19 | ckknight | nah, cheating makes it less fun |
| 07:29.30 | [Cu]Werik | See maybe those guys sitting in place for years and watching tv rerrolled so much already |
| 07:29.40 | weab | i hack life like a kewl script kiddie. |
| 07:29.47 | [Cu]Werik | they dont have to work anymore, they have a lot of gold from their former characters |
| 07:30.08 | [Cu]Werik | or they are hunters/warlocks |
| 07:30.12 | ckknight | the point of existing in this realm compared to the heaven which our souls are situated at is that immortality is pointless and boring, by placing ourselves in these temporal bodies, we strive to search for the point to our lives, even if there isn't really one, but it's fun along the way. |
| 07:30.13 | [Cu]Werik | who knows |
| 07:30.42 | Greywind | boy did i stumble in on a good convo hehe |
| 07:30.43 | ckknight | hey Greywind |
| 07:30.53 | sylvanaar | politics and religion + software = viruses and worms |
| 07:31.04 | ckknight | lol |
| 07:31.07 | [Cu]Werik | :)))) |
| 07:31.12 | [FH]Birdemani | so, does itemrack or closetgnome work on TBC? What about the current fubar? |
| 07:31.17 | ckknight | FuBar works. |
| 07:31.43 | ckknight | I don't see the infeasibility of my religious beliefs, and it gives me enough comfort to not fear death, so I'm rather content |
| 07:32.08 | [Cu]Werik | Fear death? |
| 07:32.20 | [Cu]Werik | I thought that's only a myth |
| 07:32.30 | [Cu]Werik | Which you can see in books |
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| 07:32.43 | ckknight | damn mouse |
| 07:32.51 | ckknight | anybody respond? |
| 07:33.14 | Xuerian | [02:32] [Cu]Werik: Fear death? |
| 07:33.14 | Xuerian | [02:32] [Cu]Werik: I thought that's only a myth |
| 07:33.14 | Xuerian | [02:32] [Cu]Werik: Which you can see in books |
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| 07:34.04 | weab | it's perfectly healthy to fear death. |
| 07:34.07 | [Cu]Werik | I mean, you turn on the tv and see more death in 10 minutes than people saw in their whole life 200 years ago |
| 07:34.23 | [Cu]Werik | noone fears death nowadays. |
| 07:34.26 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 07:34.31 | ckknight | well, death to me is just waking up in the ethereal realm and then realizing, "wow, this is pointless and boring, let's roll an architect this time" |
| 07:35.02 | Kemayo | http://www.glumbert.com/media/consent |
| 07:35.05 | Xuerian | I have a hard time holding to a reincarnation-esq theory, seeing as I don't remember any past life clear enough to make such a statement as would logically seem I would maek. |
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| 07:35.09 | Xuerian | s/maek/make/ |
| 07:35.16 | ckknight | why would you remember your past life? |
| 07:35.19 | ckknight | that seems silly. |
| 07:35.24 | [Cu]Werik | I'm much more interested in when will I dream about falling from high and actually hitting the ground:) |
| 07:35.27 | ckknight | our brains develop in the womb |
| 07:35.33 | Xuerian | Why would you be aware of a future? |
| 07:35.34 | ckknight | where the first memories are formed |
| 07:35.42 | Xuerian | It seems silly in the same stroke, to me. |
| 07:35.49 | ckknight | there's no reason why our memories of past lives would be implanted |
| 07:36.17 | weab | you're speaking in logical terms about reincarnation. that sounds like a conundrum to me |
| 07:36.32 | Xuerian | So that brings up the question- Is your soul simply a pattern from which instances are copied? |
| 07:37.04 | ckknight | Xuerian, no, as we would retain the memories of our lives, and we are affected more by our brain chemistry than our initial imprint |
| 07:37.11 | XLVII | ckknight, what 'religion' are you? |
| 07:37.27 | weab | he made his own up. |
| 07:37.27 | ckknight | XLVII, I call it Cocoonist, but if you scroll up, I describe it |
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| 07:37.43 | ckknight | all the pieces fit together |
| 07:37.49 | [Cu]Werik | ;) |
| 07:37.50 | ckknight | it's a nice mixture of Hinduism and Nihilism |
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| 07:38.00 | Xuerian | ckknight: Not quite what I meant. Take a object constructor in OOP. The constructor is not aware of a object created based upon itself, but the child is aware of the existance and capabilities of the constructor. Not necessarily any other instances of the constructor. |
| 07:38.32 | ckknight | I don't get the analogy |
| 07:38.42 | [Cu]Werik | Lol Xuerian |
| 07:38.49 | [Cu]Werik | This is getting scary |
| 07:38.49 | Xuerian | gawh |
| 07:38.54 | Xuerian | Alright |
| 07:39.28 | Xuerian | You're saying that something spans all reincarnations, right? Soul, "unique existance id", whatever it may be, right? |
| 07:39.29 | ckknight | in my belief, our soul is in heaven right now. We're hooked up to a box that transmits all the senses to our soul, in essence, entering a virtual reality state. |
| 07:39.41 | [Cu]Werik | Elaborating reincarnation thrugh OOP, sounds like science fiction:) |
| 07:39.42 | Xuerian | Ah. That explains a bit. |
| 07:39.53 | Xuerian | SO. |
| 07:40.08 | Xuerian | That brings the question- What makes your soul any different from the one next to yours in heaven? |
| 07:40.19 | ckknight | absolutely nothing |
| 07:40.25 | weab | so when did our souls start exisiting |
| 07:40.27 | ckknight | we are all equal. |
| 07:40.35 | weab | the beginning of the universe? |
| 07:40.42 | ckknight | weab, no, not necessarily |
| 07:40.43 | weab | once humans attained sentience? |
| 07:40.44 | Xuerian | And they're wiped clean when they start, and supposedly started blank. |
| 07:40.59 | Fritti | good morning all |
| 07:40.59 | weab | as primates? |
| 07:41.01 | Xuerian | s/start/start anew each go round/ |
| 07:41.02 | [Cu]Werik | It's pretty much like Matrix |
| 07:41.10 | ckknight | basically, we were a standard sentient race like humans, then our technology progressed so much that we attained immortality |
| 07:41.11 | [Cu]Werik | swap heaven with that hatchery |
| 07:41.14 | [Cu]Werik | there you go |
| 07:41.17 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 07:41.25 | ckknight | it's self-imposed, though |
| 07:41.27 | ckknight | no damn robots. |
| 07:41.30 | ckknight | that's too depressing. |
| 07:41.38 | [Cu]Werik | its the same |
| 07:41.39 | weab | so we're like the first ones in babylon 5 |
| 07:41.45 | weab | except they started out immortal |
| 07:41.52 | weab | and then made younger races not immortal |
| 07:41.54 | [Cu]Werik | Kosh |
| 07:41.54 | Xuerian | [Cu]Werik: That's my view of it. It mayaswell be a hatchery, both 'soul' and 'person' melted down in each cycle and used to feed (or not used at all) for the next |
| 07:41.55 | ckknight | [Cu]Werik, yea, in many ways it is, but we wake up when we die, and get to reroll |
| 07:42.30 | [Cu]Werik | how do you know you die? |
| 07:42.36 | Xuerian | How do you know you live? o_0 |
| 07:42.37 | [Cu]Werik | maybe they just reprogram you:p |
| 07:42.43 | ckknight | there is no death in heaven, and the fact that we attained immortality brought the whole meaning of life crumbling to its knees |
| 07:42.48 | weab | so do we specifically choose the individual we'll be |
| 07:43.08 | ckknight | so we just keep putting ourselves in to the temporal realm as a way to pass the time. |
| 07:43.11 | weab | like, do i decide i want to try being a miscarriage? |
| 07:43.12 | ckknight | yes, weab |
| 07:43.24 | ckknight | you decide what family you want to go into |
| 07:43.32 | ckknight | if you miscarry, you'd wake up and reroll |
| 07:43.37 | [Cu]Werik | This logic fails ckknight |
| 07:43.40 | ckknight | why does it fail? |
| 07:43.49 | [Cu]Werik | if this would be true, everyone would be porn stars |
| 07:43.54 | ckknight | not true at all |
| 07:44.01 | ckknight | because suffering causes a greater challenge |
| 07:44.02 | [Cu]Werik | were true* |
| 07:44.04 | weab | a miscarriage is like losing to the first level in mario. |
| 07:44.06 | weab | how embaressing. |
| 07:44.09 | Xuerian | Ok, I think the crux of my argument here is this: If our 'lives' start on a clean slate every time, for our given soul/body... What is that soul/body? What differentiates it, from a machine? Does it, separate from each of it's lives, retain a memory, does it gain something? |
| 07:44.10 | ckknight | don't you ever play on a harder difficulty? |
| 07:44.23 | [Cu]Werik | Oo |
| 07:44.40 | CIA-17 | 03kemayo * r16457 10FuBar_QuestsFu/QuestsFu.lua: FuBar_QuestsFu: Make the Blizzard quest tracker hide better in TBC. |
| 07:44.43 | [Cu]Werik | still |
| 07:44.52 | ckknight | the soul would retain its memory, after waking up, the reason we don't remember past lives is because it doesn't fit our squishy brain chemistry |
| 07:44.56 | [Cu]Werik | if you look for challange, at the end everyone will be the same |
| 07:45.04 | ckknight | [Cu]Werik, what do you mean by that? |
| 07:45.18 | [Cu]Werik | there is always a 'hardest difficulty' |
| 07:45.27 | ckknight | if everyone chose to be Paris Hilton, the world would suck. Paris Hilton should be looked down upon. She took the easy way out. |
| 07:45.43 | ckknight | [Cu]Werik, Hardest difficulty is an AIDS baby in Africa. |
| 07:45.54 | Xuerian | Is the soul aware that it is living a life, yet the life remains unaware of the soul? If this is true, how are they one? |
| 07:45.54 | ckknight | you choose what you want to go into, sometimes you want a challenge, sometimes you don't |
| 07:46.12 | ckknight | Xuerian, basically, the soul becomes the body by having the senses all routed to the soul |
| 07:46.21 | ckknight | the soul and the body essentially are one |
| 07:46.26 | Xuerian | I understand that... |
| 07:46.34 | ckknight | it is the soul's thoughts, routed through the body's brain chemisty |
| 07:46.39 | ckknight | chemistry* |
| 07:46.51 | ckknight | so we are dependent on our biology |
| 07:46.51 | [Cu]Werik | The problem with this |
| 07:47.14 | ckknight | what's the problem? |
| 07:47.18 | [Cu]Werik | You can explain everything with this theory yet nothing |
| 07:47.29 | ckknight | your point? it's like any religion |
| 07:47.43 | ckknight | you can't prove or disprove the flying spaghetti monster. |
| 07:47.46 | [Cu]Werik | myea |
| 07:47.51 | weab | i'm pretty sure if i were immortal i'd decide earth is a bad idea and be born as some other race. |
| 07:47.53 | Xuerian | But does it become a "Podpilot" situation, where the soul sees the life as a character on a screen yet controls it, and the puppet has a mind...? Or is it like a closure? |
| 07:48.09 | ckknight | weab, why's earth a bad idea? |
| 07:48.39 | weab | come on. i'm sure someone immortal can come up with a better playground than this. |
| 07:48.44 | ckknight | Xuerian, the puppet's mind is the soul's mind |
| 07:48.57 | ckknight | weab, maybe this is one of many playgrounds... |
| 07:49.04 | ckknight | weab, this playground is not a horrible one. |
| 07:49.05 | Xuerian | So while controlling the puppet, the soul looses access to all it's memories? |
| 07:49.09 | ckknight | we face challenges |
| 07:49.12 | [Cu]Werik | weab, but there can be others which feel the same and better come to Earth:) |
| 07:49.28 | ckknight | Xuerian, because the brain chemistry of the puppet is not implanted with the original memories and could not comprehend them. |
| 07:49.50 | ckknight | we have challenges, battles, entertainment, love here on earth |
| 07:49.56 | ckknight | life is not all that bad. |
| 07:50.07 | [Cu]Werik | and we have taxes *winks* |
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| 07:50.29 | ckknight | Xuerian, for the 80-or-so years of our lives, the soul "is" the puppet, even though it is just a controller |
| 07:50.29 | Xuerian | I think I'm starting to get it >_< |
| 07:50.55 | ckknight | and another comforting thought: if we destroy the world, we'll just reroll on a new one |
| 07:50.58 | AKX | Btw... does anyone have an US account? I'd really like to get the idea of SendAddonMessage(SAY) through to slouken >_> |
| 07:51.06 | ckknight | AKX, :-P |
| 07:51.29 | Cartas | I agree, Weab! :o |
| 07:51.47 | ckknight | I don't expect anyone to believe what I'm saying and take it to heart, I'm just trying to let you comprehend my beliefs |
| 07:51.49 | ckknight | they work for me |
| 07:51.54 | ckknight | use what you want for yourself |
| 07:51.56 | Xuerian | Yeah, that's why I said get :p |
| 07:52.04 | ckknight | frankly, I can't comprehend a Christian-style heaven |
| 07:52.08 | Xuerian | Ok. So when initialized, the soul is the puppet. The puppet isn't given any memories. Yet the soul, at the end of the cycle, sees the collective experience, before rerolling again? |
| 07:52.09 | ckknight | sit on a cloud and look at God? |
| 07:52.18 | ckknight | yes, Xuerian |
| 07:52.42 | ckknight | as the soul's mind is more powerful than the puppet's and can recall all its past memories. |
| 07:52.45 | AKX | ckknight, what's the :-P for? I mean, aren't the addon comm functions so far as throttled as any chat, and don't they really just work with some magical prefix for the party/raid/guild messages the WoW engine knows about but doesn't tell the API? |
| 07:52.46 | Xuerian | Sit on a cloud and look at god? Nah. Not my plan. Get instantaneous travel and travel the galaxy. =D |
| 07:53.03 | ckknight | we have Alzheimers on this plane, it affects our bodily memory |
| 07:53.30 | ckknight | and it's due to standard brain chemistry and bodily disease |
| 07:53.44 | ckknight | AKX, I just remember talking with you about it ingame |
| 07:53.57 | AKX | Yeah, and it doesn't leave me alone, the idea :P |
| 07:54.03 | Cartas | So, is the memory in the soul, CKKnight? |
| 07:54.03 | Xuerian | The single hardest thing to grasp about the whole concept is the "Master is the puppet isn't the master" concept |
| 07:54.05 | AKX | (I'd love to do an Aced RP mod, really) |
| 07:54.27 | ckknight | Cartas, yes, memory is kept with the soul |
| 07:54.34 | ckknight | Xuerian, yes, it is hard to wrap your head around |
| 07:54.41 | Cartas | How do you forget if you get bumped on the head then? |
| 07:55.22 | ckknight | but the master isn't the puppet, the puppet isn't the master. The senses of the puppet are transmitted to the senses of the master. The thoughts of the master are running through the brain of the puppet |
| 07:55.29 | Cartas | I assume by soul, you mean it is mutually exclusive from the physical? |
| 07:56.06 | ckknight | Cartas, the soul is a person in heaven. You are your soul, controlling your body. |
| 07:56.10 | Laric | hmm when I click on keyring in tbc. I get an acehook 2.1 error line 92.. stack overflow |
| 07:56.20 | ckknight | Laric, that's a OneBag bug. |
| 07:56.26 | Xuerian | ckknight: I only differentiate between the conciousnesses because of the fact that the master's is reduced to a functional section while controlling the puppet, and unable to use/access the rest |
| 07:56.26 | Laric | oki |
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| 07:56.34 | Cartas | So... what, CKKnight...? |
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| 07:56.40 | ckknight | Xuerian, right, that's the situation. |
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| 07:56.42 | Cartas | Is it mutually exclsuive from the physical or not? :o |
| 07:56.54 | ckknight | Cartas, your soul and your body are two separate entities. |
| 07:56.58 | Laric | sorry to disturb your deeply philosofical discussions |
| 07:56.59 | Cartas | Okay. |
| 07:57.01 | ckknight | your soul controls your body |
| 07:57.03 | Cartas | That leads to a lot of problems. |
| 07:57.07 | ckknight | in the simplest form. |
| 07:57.17 | Cartas | For one, how can "control" move between two mutually exclusive entities. |
| 07:57.26 | Cartas | Surely this is not possible, else they would not be mutually exclusive. |
| 07:57.27 | AKX | So, we're actually implementing MVC? Genome = model, body=view, soul=controller? Neat! |
| 07:57.39 | ckknight | Cartas, remote control. |
| 07:57.52 | Cartas | It would be impossible, right? |
| 07:57.59 | ckknight | AKX, essentally, but I prefer a Model-View-Template schema. |
| 07:58.00 | Cartas | Else they wouldn't be mutually exclusive... |
| 07:58.11 | ckknight | Cartas, I don't understand your terminology, I guess. |
| 07:58.17 | AKX | GELSNGE BEB SLASP. |
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| 07:58.38 | Cartas | Right. Two entities: Soul and body. Soul being mental/not-physical/whatever. Body = Physical. |
| 07:58.56 | Cartas | Now, these are mutually exclusive, because one is physical, and the other contains no physical properties whatsoever. |
| 07:59.14 | Cartas | Which leads to the problem that IF there were a soul, how would the two interact at all? |
| 07:59.24 | AKX | Cartas, design by contract? |
| 07:59.27 | MoonWolf | magic. |
| 07:59.35 | MoonWolf | or watever you want to call it. |
| 07:59.36 | Thunder_Child | thats sounds like the interaction between Int and body |
| 07:59.55 | Cartas | MAgic can't move between two mutually exclusive entitites, Moonwolf! |
| 08:00.04 | Thunder_Child | int has no "physical" structure yet it still works with the physical |
| 08:00.22 | Cartas | What's Int? |
| 08:00.29 | Thunder_Child | inteligence |
| 08:00.38 | AKX | Cartas, mutually exclusive? O.o |
| 08:00.41 | Cartas | Intelligence is physical, hence it is not like that. |
| 08:00.42 | Cartas | Yes? :o |
| 08:00.54 | Cartas | Mind and Body are mutually exclusive, assuming Mind exists. |
| 08:01.07 | AKX | So if a mind exists, a body can't exist. |
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| 08:01.11 | Cartas | No. |
| 08:01.17 | Thunder_Child | hardly physical, try to touch it |
| 08:01.17 | AKX | That's mutually exclusive. |
| 08:01.19 | Cartas | True. |
| 08:01.23 | ckknight_ | goddammit! |
| 08:01.24 | Cartas | Okay, so Mind doesn't exist. |
| 08:01.25 | Cartas | Good. |
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| 08:01.27 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> but it depends on perspective. |
| 08:01.29 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> right, they exist in two completely separate worlds. |
| 08:01.31 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> where the soul is real, the body is contained in a separate environment |
| 08:01.36 | andremar | Mind and body are disjunct sets |
| 08:01.37 | AKX | Cartas, alternatively body doesn't exist |
| 08:01.40 | andremar | not mutually exclusive |
| 08:02.02 | ckknight | soul controls body, similar to how I control my WoW characters. |
| 08:02.06 | Cartas | I assumed you were following the theories of Descartes, who came up with the whole idea of mind and body. |
| 08:02.06 | ckknight | only more advanced. |
| 08:02.14 | Xuerian | Think of it like this: The matrix. But each time you jack in, you start out (you're in the matrix now, remember) with no memories. Nothing. Baby. You live your life, you die, you're disconnected. Your body, which was wired to the simulation, remembers the experience, thus the memories (and "life") remain intact and are 'merged' with the prexisting memories. |
| 08:02.15 | ckknight | Cartas, not necessarily. |
| 08:02.16 | Xuerian | No? |
| 08:02.33 | ckknight | Xuerian, seems right. |
| 08:02.54 | Cartas | Well, CKKnight: WoW is actually physical... if a mind/soul were to exist, it is generally defined as a completely non-physical entity. |
| 08:03.04 | MoonWolf | A number of religions work from xuerians point of view. |
| 08:03.17 | ckknight | mind is in the true reality, body is created in a virtual world. |
| 08:03.20 | Thunder_Child | oh, the mind exists, it's the soul we are unsure of |
| 08:03.30 | ckknight | soul = mind, in what I'm saying. |
| 08:03.35 | Cartas | I know. |
| 08:03.52 | Cartas | I don't believe the mind exists, however. |
| 08:03.59 | Thunder_Child | it's all one big opinion anyway |
| 08:04.00 | ckknight | fair enough, I do |
| 08:04.03 | AKX | So Xuerian, how does the body remember the experience and what use is remembering it if the jacked-in mind/body is a tabula rasa? |
| 08:04.05 | Cartas | Yes, Thunder_Child. |
| 08:04.13 | Cartas | But one opinion has more evidence than another, it seems. :) |
| 08:04.22 | ckknight | AKX, because the soul is not human. |
| 08:04.27 | Thunder_Child | i know, lets all die so we find out what the answer is..... |
| 08:04.28 | ckknight | only the body is human. |
| 08:04.33 | Xuerian | AKX: Simply my rewording of what I understand of ckknight's theory, not my own |
| 08:04.55 | Cartas | There's still no reasoning behind how soul and body interact :O |
| 08:05.04 | ckknight | Cartas, a remote control! |
| 08:05.10 | Cartas | Like, infra-red? :P |
| 08:05.22 | ckknight | it's more like there's a giant server where our bodies are stored |
| 08:05.27 | ckknight | and we all jack into the server |
| 08:05.30 | ckknight | and become our bodies |
| 08:05.41 | ckknight | while our souls exist in the ethereal realm |
| 08:05.44 | Xuerian | Cartas: It's assumed that the soul is [what is left of] our body/conciousness after the transencion |
| 08:05.44 | ckknight | very much like the Matrix. |
| 08:05.48 | Cartas | But this control will have to be able to move from soul -> body, which means it is part physical and soul? |
| 08:06.01 | Cartas | Which I believe only complicates things... |
| 08:06.08 | ckknight | the only real plane is the plane the soul exists on. |
| 08:06.19 | ckknight | the physical plane is fake |
| 08:06.24 | ckknight | created out of fairy dust. |
| 08:06.56 | Cartas | Regardless, how can an entity travel between two mutually exclusive entities? |
| 08:06.58 | Thunder_Child | while i dont belive in a soul, i do belive that things that are not "physical" in any way, can control "physical" things |
| 08:07.02 | ckknight | the soul is connected to a box which transfers all senses from the body to the soul. |
| 08:07.17 | [Cu]Werik | yea, and your hearthbeat is the pong answer for the souls ping |
| 08:07.28 | ckknight | that's what the whole lub-dub thing is, [Cu]Werik |
| 08:07.38 | WrK`ZZz | night night:) |
| 08:08.08 | ckknight | cya |
| 08:08.08 | Xuerian | function soul() local memories = nil;local life = function() local lifemem = nil; lifemem = liveLife(); return lifemem end; while true do memories += life() end end |
| 08:08.25 | ckknight | yes, essentially. |
| 08:08.34 | Cartas | But how do the two interact? |
| 08:08.39 | ckknight | with the box! |
| 08:08.47 | Cartas | How is that possible? |
| 08:08.57 | ckknight | the soul connects its senses to the box |
| 08:09.07 | Cartas | I still think it somewhat impossible that you have two mutually exclusive entities, yet they connecT? |
| 08:09.12 | ckknight | the box interacts with the server, which connects the senses to the body |
| 08:09.22 | Xuerian | Cartas: If you've seen the Matrix you know exactly what ckknight is talking about. |
| 08:09.29 | Cartas | I've seen The Matrix. |
| 08:09.35 | ckknight | it's just like The Matrix |
| 08:09.38 | ckknight | only less robots |
| 08:09.43 | Xuerian | well sans the constant memory thing |
| 08:09.47 | Cartas | and two mutually exclusive entities which can connect?! |
| 08:09.51 | Cartas | That didn't happen in the Matrix. |
| 08:09.55 | ckknight | yes it did! |
| 08:10.09 | ckknight | the soul (Neo) connected to the body (Mr. Anderson) |
| 08:10.15 | ckknight | and all senses from Anderson went to Neo |
| 08:10.29 | Cartas | I assume you didn't mean 'The Matrix' then? :o |
| 08:10.35 | Cartas | The 2nd or 3rd, perhaps? |
| 08:10.40 | ckknight | just 1st. |
| 08:10.41 | MoonWolf | Except that in our world, neo stops remembering himself for the duration of the connection. |
| 08:10.43 | Cartas | Oh |
| 08:10.45 | ckknight | 2nd and 3rd sucked. |
| 08:10.54 | Xuerian | thus local lifemem |
| 08:10.55 | Cartas | Well... |
| 08:11.01 | Cartas | The Matrix is all physical. |
| 08:11.02 | Xuerian | read my damn code >< |
| 08:11.14 | ckknight | Cartas, The Matrix is physical and virtual |
| 08:11.20 | Cartas | Your brain signals are being stimulated, which is a physical process. |
| 08:11.29 | ckknight | the physical realm (in 2200 AD) and the virtual realm (in 2000 AD) |
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| 08:11.46 | Neronix | Agent Smith: setfenv(0, smith:new()) |
| 08:11.46 | ckknight | it's the same with my beliefs. |
| 08:11.49 | Neronix | Lua FTW |
| 08:12.09 | Xuerian | ew, forgot setfenv. |
| 08:12.11 | Cartas | Right. Production of brain = physical. Input to brain = physical. |
| 08:12.14 | ckknight | the "true" realm, the ethereal realm is the real one, where our souls live |
| 08:12.16 | MoonWolf | omg, neronix, you turned the whole world into smith! |
| 08:12.20 | Cartas | The Matrix is "fake", but it is still a physical output. |
| 08:12.23 | MoonWolf | like, tha actual WORLD. |
| 08:12.29 | MoonWolf | the* |
| 08:12.34 | ckknight | Cartas, yes, and it's the same, the box produces physical output |
| 08:12.44 | Cartas | So... the soul is physical? |
| 08:12.49 | ckknight | yes. |
| 08:12.51 | ckknight | and the body is virtual |
| 08:12.56 | Cartas | No, no... |
| 08:12.58 | ckknight | but it's all subjective, call it what you want |
| 08:13.03 | Cartas | In The Matrix, all of it is physical. |
| 08:13.10 | ckknight | no it's not! |
| 08:13.13 | Cartas | Yes it is... |
| 08:13.17 | Cartas | Just like WoW is physical. |
| 08:13.19 | ckknight | in The Matrix, you had a physical and a virtual. |
| 08:13.22 | ckknight | WoW is virtual! |
| 08:13.27 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:13.29 | Xuerian | Soul = Real. Body = Virtual. 0_o |
| 08:13.36 | MoonWolf | In the matrix, the body is an imagination controlled by your head and a few super computers, NOT REAL. |
| 08:13.37 | ckknight | I prefer to call the soul ethereal and the body physical |
| 08:13.48 | ckknight | yes. |
| 08:13.58 | Cartas | Hm... |
| 08:14.16 | Cartas | Well, what is real is merely what your senses tell you, MoonWolf. |
| 08:14.16 | MoonWolf | sure the process is physical, the actual world you live is not. |
| 08:14.18 | ckknight | so the ethereal computer takes the generated senses of the physical world, and routes them to your soul. |
| 08:14.20 | Cartas | Thus, I would claim it is quite real. |
| 08:14.32 | ckknight | yea, reality is subjective |
| 08:14.42 | ckknight | but what you see before you is just a mirage |
| 08:14.43 | Neronix | MoonWolf: Isn't that what Smith was doing? |
| 08:14.45 | Xuerian | That's a whole separate yet related discussion =D |
| 08:14.49 | Neronix | turning everything into himself? |
| 08:14.49 | Cartas | And? |
| 08:15.00 | Fritti | "how do you DEFINE real" |
| 08:15.01 | Cartas | The stuff with all the computers could've been a "mirage", CKKnight. |
| 08:15.09 | ckknight | so? |
| 08:15.16 | Cartas | There's no point in seperating physical from physical by brining in a new label of 'virtual'. |
| 08:15.21 | Cartas | bringing* |
| 08:15.29 | ckknight | it's possible that there's a theoretical world above the ethereal world, but I don't like to think that deep |
| 08:15.30 | Cartas | Because then it implies some other entitity. |
| 08:15.38 | ckknight | there is another entity |
| 08:15.43 | ckknight | how is WoW not virtual? |
| 08:15.52 | Fritti | Morpheus: If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain |
| 08:15.52 | ckknight | we log in, we play our virtual characters |
| 08:15.57 | Cartas | All inputs are physical, I would like to suggest :O |
| 08:15.58 | ckknight | our screens produce physical output |
| 08:16.05 | Cartas | Therefore, as far as I know, all outputs are physical. |
| 08:16.07 | ckknight | our keyboards allow physical input |
| 08:16.15 | MoonWolf | smith was : _g = setfenv(0) ; while x in pairs(_g) do smith:new(x) end |
| 08:16.16 | ckknight | but it's transferred to the virtual plane. |
| 08:16.22 | Cartas | Really? |
| 08:16.29 | ckknight | yes. |
| 08:16.33 | Cartas | All of it is bits... and bits are physical. |
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| 08:16.40 | Cartas | Computer signals exist physically. |
| 08:16.41 | ckknight | Cartas, yes, I know |
| 08:16.54 | ckknight | everything is ethereal when you look at it from the ethereal plane |
| 08:17.01 | Cartas | Which is impossible. |
| 08:17.04 | ckknight | no it's not. |
| 08:17.09 | ckknight | you just agreed with me before |
| 08:17.10 | ckknight | gah! |
| 08:17.12 | Cartas | Impossible to see the physical from the 'ethereal'. |
| 08:17.13 | MoonWolf | no, its a matter of perspective. |
| 08:17.18 | Cartas | Because they can't possibly interact? |
| 08:17.21 | ckknight | Cartas, ethereal is above physical. |
| 08:17.29 | Cartas | Is it where souls are? |
| 08:17.34 | ckknight | ethereal = real, physical = fake |
| 08:17.39 | ckknight | souls exist in the ethereal world |
| 08:17.43 | Cartas | In that, they're mutually exclusive? |
| 08:17.45 | ckknight | bodies exist in the physical world |
| 08:17.54 | ckknight | the physical world is created in the ethereal world. |
| 08:17.59 | ckknight | your terminology is just fucked up. |
| 08:18.04 | Cartas | Then they must both be physical. |
| 08:18.11 | ckknight | no, they're both ethereal goddammit! |
| 08:18.17 | Cartas | Dreams are physical, CKKnight. |
| 08:18.31 | ckknight | terminology. |
| 08:18.32 | ckknight | ethereal is reality |
| 08:18.33 | Cartas | What of it? |
| 08:18.42 | ckknight | physical is where our bodies are. |
| 08:18.49 | Cartas | It's where everything is? |
| 08:18.55 | ckknight | the physical world is generated in the ethereal world. |
| 08:19.00 | ckknight | as a simulation. |
| 08:19.04 | Cartas | Okay... |
| 08:19.08 | ckknight | on a box. |
| 08:19.10 | Cartas | So, this is like, a dream...? |
| 08:19.12 | ckknight | yes. |
| 08:19.24 | Cartas | And dreams are physical... the producer of dreams is physical. |
| 08:19.27 | Cartas | Thus, all physical. |
| 08:19.32 | ckknight | NO! |
| 08:19.36 | ckknight | how do you not understand this! |
| 08:19.37 | Cartas | You just said :o |
| 08:19.40 | ckknight | I mean, Jesus! |
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| 08:19.48 | ckknight | everything is in the ethereal realm |
| 08:19.49 | ckknight | everything |
| 08:19.50 | ckknight | that is reality |
| 08:19.58 | ckknight | the physical world is a fake simulation |
| 08:20.01 | Cartas | You're just relabelling the physical. |
| 08:20.06 | ckknight | just a bunch of ones and zeroes. |
| 08:20.11 | ckknight | yes, I am. |
| 08:20.17 | ckknight | I am relabeling the physical. |
| 08:20.25 | Cartas | To Ethereal. |
| 08:20.30 | ckknight | ethereal is real. |
| 08:20.35 | Cartas | And saying anything which is a production of brains is fake. |
| 08:20.36 | ckknight | where our souls are. |
| 08:20.58 | ckknight | your hand is fake, your body is fake, your brain and the chemicals in it are fake. |
| 08:21.10 | Xuerian | ~tea ckknight |
| 08:21.13 | purl | ACTION realizes it's time for high tea and gets busy in the kitchen. He brings out tea, crumpets, scones and an assortment of delectable goodies and serves them properly to ckknight and others |
| 08:21.13 | Cartas | ... and? |
| 08:21.14 | ckknight | they are in the fake physical realm. |
| 08:21.41 | ckknight | the ethereal realm is the one where everything really is |
| 08:21.51 | Cartas | But it's mutually exclusive? |
| 08:21.53 | ckknight | nothing exists outside of it. |
| 08:22.17 | ckknight | the physical realm is a fake simulation, simulated on a box inside the ethereal realm. |
| 08:22.33 | evl | ckknight: I had an idea for durabilityfu yesterday, a small warning when you landed in certain zones if your dura was less than 100% |
| 08:22.34 | Xuerian | kay, that's weird. I somehow made it so START_LOOT_ROLL never triggers in my ui >_> |
| 08:22.36 | Cartas | So, it's basically real? |
| 08:22.54 | ckknight | ethereal is real, physical is simulated |
| 08:23.02 | ckknight | evl, hrm... interesting |
| 08:23.05 | Cartas | Is WoW "fake"? |
| 08:23.23 | ckknight | WoW is simulated inside the physical realm |
| 08:23.37 | Cartas | Simulated by the physical, thus it IS physical. |
| 08:23.49 | ckknight | which is simulated by the ethereal, thus it is ethereal. |
| 08:23.58 | Cartas | Which is where the problem lies... |
| 08:24.03 | ckknight | there is no problem. |
| 08:24.07 | Cartas | Okay... |
| 08:24.13 | ckknight | not gonna disagree with you in that everything is ethereal when you get down to it |
| 08:24.21 | evl | ckknight: That's perhaps the #1 reason people forget to repair, would be great with a raid-warning and/or sound when you landed in Thorium, Cenarion etc. |
| 08:25.26 | ckknight | the physical world is a simulation, it exists on a box in the ethereal realm, therefore it is indirectly all ethereal. |
| 08:25.31 | Cartas | Basically, you're giving this 'ethereal' name to something which you could just label as 'physical', in that they are not really seperate entities? |
| 08:25.48 | ckknight | just read what I wrote. |
| 08:26.08 | Cartas | Oh. |
| 08:26.08 | Cartas | So, ethereal is in some sense physical? |
| 08:26.30 | ckknight | physical implies physics. I'm not sure gravity exists in the ethereal realm, but it exists in the realm we live in now. |
| 08:26.45 | Cartas | But, according to you, we don't live here. |
| 08:26.48 | Cartas | So, how can you say that? :o |
| 08:26.55 | ckknight | that's it |
| 08:26.56 | ckknight | I'm done. |
| 08:27.01 | ckknight | you obviously can't understand |
| 08:27.06 | ckknight | after 10 minutes of ranting the same thing. |
| 08:27.08 | Cartas | I understand what you're trying to say. |
| 08:27.09 | *** mode/#wowace [-v Cartas] by ckknight |
| 08:27.14 | ckknight | shh. |
| 08:28.39 | Cartas | It's a flawed theory, definitely. In that you imply the product of senses is not counted as 'knowledge'/real in any way. You also have no explained how the ethereal can interact with the physical, and if it can, then it may as well be counted as physical in itself. |
| 08:28.46 | Cartas | not* |
| 08:28.53 | Cartas | I'll be quite now, old chap! :D |
| 08:28.56 | Cartas | quiet*! :O |
| 08:29.25 | ckknight | physical is a simulation inside the ethereal realm, the interaction is the same as the interaction between you and WoW |
| 08:29.30 | ckknight | that's all. |
| 08:29.32 | weab | last i bothered reading this channel, he said it was a religion not a theory |
| 08:29.46 | Cartas | Physical can only produce physical... thus WoW is as physical as that which created it. |
| 08:30.06 | Cartas | If the Ethereal created the physical, then that which is physical can only be created by the physical, thus the 'ethereal' is physical? |
| 08:30.12 | ckknight | Cartas, agreed. And the world is ethereal, as heaven produced this world. |
| 08:30.41 | Cartas | Okay. |
| 08:30.49 | ckknight | the world (which you consider the physical world) is kept on a box in heaven. |
| 08:30.59 | ckknight | satisfied? |
| 08:31.07 | Cartas | You've made this way overcomplicated... |
| 08:31.12 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:31.17 | ckknight | and weab is right, this is a religion, it is unprovable and undisprovable |
| 08:31.36 | weab | only because you wont stop asking questions which forces more complicated answers! |
| 08:31.38 | Cartas | Is this Interactionism, perchance? :P |
| 08:31.45 | ckknight | therefore by its undisprovability, it cannot be a scientific theory |
| 08:31.46 | Cartas | Because it basically seems that way. |
| 08:31.58 | ckknight | interactionism? |
| 08:32.04 | ckknight | haven't heard of it |
| 08:32.07 | Cartas | A theory of mind/body created by Descartes. |
| 08:32.19 | Cartas | It had one huge flaw: How can the mind and body interact? |
| 08:32.23 | ckknight | I should read up on that |
| 08:32.37 | Cartas | I think you have that problem :P |
| 08:32.40 | ckknight | the body is kept on a server in heaven, where the mind logs in and plays with it. |
| 08:32.45 | ckknight | I do not have that problem. |
| 08:32.51 | ckknight | at all. |
| 08:32.52 | Cartas | Right. |
| 08:32.59 | Cartas | If they can interact, they're one and the same. |
| 08:33.08 | Cartas | If they cannot, then they are, as you say, physical and ethereal... |
| 08:33.13 | Cartas | But you have the problem of their interaction. |
| 08:34.12 | Cartas | It's like, hm... If you have YOU -> Dream -> Dream within Dream. They're all physical. If YOU were ethereal, then they would all be ethereal. |
| 08:34.41 | weab | hello. religion. doesn't have to make sense, and almost never does make sense |
| 08:34.43 | weab | give up |
| 08:34.55 | Cartas | Religion sucks, yeh :P |
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| 08:35.02 | weab | religion doesnt suck |
| 08:35.06 | weab | arguing about it sucks |
| 08:35.08 | ckknight | how does interacting mean they're one and the same? |
| 08:35.19 | Cartas | I mean, there are an infinite amount of possibilities. It makes no sense choosing just one. |
| 08:35.24 | ckknight | they are all ethereal |
| 08:35.27 | Cartas | Which has an infinitely small chance of being true. |
| 08:35.28 | ckknight | that's what I've been saying |
| 08:35.31 | Cartas | Okay... |
| 08:35.38 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:35.40 | Cartas | Why rename it? |
| 08:35.50 | Cartas | You could just say everything is physical, and we're in a dream. |
| 08:35.53 | Cartas | They're the same theory. |
| 08:35.55 | ckknight | because it makes more sense to rename it as heaven doesn't obey the laws of physics. |
| 08:36.02 | ckknight | therefore, it shouldn't be called "phyiscal" |
| 08:36.10 | Cartas | The real physical might not obey the same physics as this dream does, CKKnight. |
| 08:36.13 | Cartas | It's the same theory. |
| 08:36.16 | ckknight | whatever |
| 08:36.22 | ckknight | I'm calling it ethereal. |
| 08:36.28 | Nargiddley | from our current point of view |
| 08:36.33 | Nargiddley | this is the physical world |
| 08:36.36 | Cartas | You have a religion which renames physical to ethereal? :P |
| 08:36.36 | ckknight | yes, Nargiddley |
| 08:36.41 | ckknight | yes, Cartas |
| 08:36.54 | Cartas | What's the name of the religion? |
| 08:36.58 | ckknight | Cocoonism. |
| 08:37.26 | Cartas | It seems to be the religion which states least, so it's probably the most correct one :P |
| 08:37.34 | ckknight | lol |
| 08:37.46 | ckknight | the religion that states least is Atheism. |
| 08:37.57 | Cartas | Atheism states a hell of a lot :O |
| 08:38.05 | ckknight | oh? |
| 08:38.09 | Cartas | Just as other religions do. |
| 08:38.30 | Cartas | There are an infinite amount of possibilities. Atheism says only one of those is true. |
| 08:38.35 | Cartas | So it dismisses an infinite amount. |
| 08:38.44 | Cartas | As do all religions. (PErhaps not agnositsism) |
| 08:38.48 | ckknight | okay... |
| 08:38.55 | ckknight | well, mine does make statements |
| 08:39.05 | Cartas | 'We shall relabel physical to ethereal'? :P |
| 08:39.06 | ckknight | specifically about the nature of the ethereal raelm |
| 08:39.17 | ckknight | realm* |
| 08:39.26 | ckknight | and thusly the nature of the physical realm |
| 08:39.36 | ckknight | which is inside the ethereal realm |
| 08:39.43 | ckknight | as a simulation |
| 08:39.57 | ckknight | and note that there can be many physical realms. |
| 08:40.10 | ckknight | such as the UT2k4 realm. |
| 08:40.11 | ckknight | good times. |
| 08:40.17 | ckknight | FPSes are fun. |
| 08:40.24 | Cartas | Well, assuming atheism were true... then everything is still just a simulation, you know that, right? |
| 08:40.35 | Cartas | Stimulation of the senses would be reality. |
| 08:40.38 | ckknight | mmm... I don't see that. |
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| 08:40.56 | Cartas | What you sense is reality, right? :o |
| 08:40.56 | weab | mmm stimulation |
| 08:40.57 | weab | sounds hot |
| 08:41.08 | Cartas | your* |
| 08:41.19 | weab | what religion is this now? i'll join up if it involves stimulation. |
| 08:41.24 | ckknight | what I sense is not actually reality |
| 08:41.37 | ckknight | it's simulated. |
| 08:41.49 | ckknight | but transferred to reality, where I feel it there |
| 08:42.00 | ckknight | but it didn't come from me touching a "real" keyboard |
| 08:42.03 | Cartas | Well, what you sense is knowledge, I think. |
| 08:42.22 | Cartas | That's one of the only things which can be classed as knowledge, actually. |
| 08:42.27 | ckknight | sensory information is knowledge... |
| 08:42.33 | weab | i can't believe you've been talking about this crap for over an hour. |
| 08:42.37 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:42.39 | ckknight | lol |
| 08:42.39 | weab | get a hobby, like coding! |
| 08:42.44 | Cartas | Philosophy is my hobby. |
| 08:42.46 | Cartas | :O |
| 08:42.57 | ckknight | I'm waiting for Lost to download |
| 08:43.09 | Cartas | I'm waiting for CKKnight to learn. |
| 08:43.09 | Cartas | ;) |
| 08:43.12 | Xuerian | weab: It's closing on two horus |
| 08:43.14 | Xuerian | hours even |
| 08:43.24 | ckknight | what have I to learn? |
| 08:43.25 | pastamancer | I hate the forums. One thread per addon just does not work. |
| 08:43.41 | ckknight | weab, since we started talking about politics? |
| 08:43.48 | ckknight | yea, it feels like 2 hours since then... |
| 08:43.54 | Cartas | ckknight: So, with this belief of yours... what is the point in there being a physical realm simulated inside of the ethereal realm? |
| 08:44.09 | weab | i think i was referring to your religion mainly |
| 08:44.19 | [Ammo] | morning |
| 08:44.22 | Cartas | G'morning old chap! |
| 08:44.23 | weab | i think that started right about an hour ago, or just over |
| 08:44.34 | ckknight | Cartas, the ethereal realm, where we are all immortal, is really boring and pointless, so to pass the time, we log into the physical realm. |
| 08:44.42 | ckknight | morning, [Ammo] |
| 08:44.48 | Cartas | So... |
| 08:44.53 | [Ammo] | lay off the drugs guys! |
| 08:44.57 | [Ammo] | :p |
| 08:45.00 | Cartas | Is the ethereal spatio-temporal? |
| 08:45.09 | ckknight | what do you mean by that? |
| 08:45.11 | Cartas | Or is it just like the physical? |
| 08:45.11 | Cartas | Hm... |
| 08:45.13 | ckknight | [Ammo], we've been waxing philosophical for 2 hours now |
| 08:45.18 | Cartas | Is it out of time and space? |
| 08:45.25 | ckknight | no, time and space exist. |
| 08:45.32 | ckknight | in the ethereal realm |
| 08:45.40 | Cartas | I thought you said that it didn't have any physics? |
| 08:45.45 | Cartas | Hmm... |
| 08:45.50 | ckknight | the physics may be different. |
| 08:45.53 | ckknight | but time exists |
| 08:45.55 | ckknight | space might not. |
| 08:46.00 | ckknight | not sure about that |
| 08:46.09 | ckknight | it's easier for me to comprehend if it does. |
| 08:46.10 | Cartas | Well, if space doesn't, how can the physical realm be IN anything? |
| 08:46.12 | Cartas | I'm guessing it does :P |
| 08:46.43 | ckknight | Cartas, well, time exists, I know that, space might not, assuming that the laws of physics are completely different |
| 08:46.51 | ckknight | but if the laws of physics are similar, then space probably does exist. |
| 08:47.12 | ckknight | it's more likely the latter, in my mind |
| 08:47.15 | ckknight | but I can't say for sure. |
| 08:48.09 | Cartas | So, why do you believe in that, CKKnight? :O |
| 08:48.31 | Cartas | Ew @ Coffee! |
| 08:48.35 | ckknight | it lets me not fear death, and it's more believable than sitting on a cloud and staring at God for all eternity. |
| 08:48.43 | [Ammo] | go drink your milked tea then cartas :) |
| 08:48.43 | Fritti | coffee sounds good |
| 08:48.51 | Cartas | Yum. |
| 08:48.53 | Nargiddley | yes coffee does sound good |
| 08:48.57 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:49.09 | Cartas | The main reason why people believe in religion is because they fear death, CKKnight, I think. :P |
| 08:49.10 | Nargiddley | but if i have coffee i'll be up all night >< |
| 08:49.30 | Cartas | But, you can see that there is an infinite amount of possibilites as to what could possibly be true? |
| 08:49.37 | ckknight | Cartas, but my religion lets me accept death, knowing that there's something afterward |
| 08:49.41 | Cartas | I just think that and decide that it's illogical to pick a single one :P |
| 08:50.01 | ckknight | yes, I see that, and I'm more comfortable with picking one than letting my mind roll around in cognitive dissonance. |
| 08:50.07 | Nargiddley | might as well pick one, whats the harm in being wrong |
| 08:50.17 | Cartas | lol, Nargiddley. |
| 08:50.25 | Nargiddley | unless whats right is one of the believe in me or suffer deals |
| 08:50.33 | Nargiddley | which i dont think is the case |
| 08:50.41 | Cartas | It's possible :O |
| 08:50.57 | Nargiddley | so is anything |
| 08:51.06 | Cartas | For example? |
| 08:51.33 | Cartas | It's not possible for everything to be impossible! ;) |
| 08:51.39 | ckknight | Pascal's wager blows hardcore. |
| 08:52.04 | Cartas | ckknight: I don't believe in the mind :p |
| 08:52.12 | Cartas | So my mind won't 'roll around in cognitive dissonance'! : |
| 08:52.32 | ckknight | my brain, then. |
| 08:52.45 | ckknight | my thoughts. |
| 08:52.53 | Cartas | I just think that what happens after death is like thinking of what was before you were born. |
| 08:52.55 | Cartas | Nothingness! |
| 08:53.55 | Fritti | anybody know who has the email wuffxiii@gmail.com ? |
| 08:53.57 | ckknight | but I believe in prelife just as much as afterlife |
| 08:54.10 | Fritti | listed in the BugSack License.txt |
| 08:54.14 | Fritti | ah that's rowne |
| 08:54.22 | ckknight | BugSack has a license? |
| 08:54.40 | Fritti | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.41 | Fritti | onCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 license |
| 08:54.46 | Fritti | meh bad c&p sorry |
| 08:54.59 | ckknight | that's not a good license for code |
| 08:55.04 | Fritti | I agree |
| 08:55.19 | ckknight | BSD ftw, imo |
| 08:55.21 | Fritti | and I'm not sure whether it applies anymore seeing that there's probably none of Rowne's code left |
| 08:55.27 | ckknight | hrm |
| 08:55.34 | ckknight | might not, it all depends |
| 08:55.41 | Fritti | I'm not changing it, mind you |
| 08:55.45 | Fritti | I don't care that much |
| 08:55.47 | ckknight | I doubt it would hold up in court... |
| 08:55.50 | [Liquidor] | Hi everyone :) |
| 08:55.52 | ckknight | but yea, I don't care enough either |
| 08:55.55 | ckknight | hey [Liquidor] |
| 08:56.01 | [Liquidor] | Hey ckknight |
| 08:56.03 | Cartas | Hi old chap! |
| 08:56.13 | [Liquidor] | I managed to convert to lua from xml now :) |
| 08:56.21 | [Liquidor] | or it took me an entire day -.- |
| 08:56.27 | ckknight | man, those philosophical rantings did take a long while... |
| 08:56.43 | Greywind | yes they did, i baked a cake while it was going on hehe |
| 08:56.51 | Greywind | smells so good |
| 08:57.03 | Xuerian | [Liquidor]: Fun ain't it |
| 08:57.09 | [Liquidor] | :) |
| 08:57.11 | Cartas | lol, CKKnight! |
| 08:57.13 | [Liquidor] | IT's easy to make it wrong |
| 08:57.15 | Cartas | That's what you get! :P |
| 08:57.34 | Xuerian | [Liquidor]: Easier to make it right after a while |
| 08:57.41 | ckknight | I still feel like I won, Cartas :-P |
| 08:57.42 | [Liquidor] | These 3 frames are the ones I managed to convert yesterday http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4548/taskbaril2.jpg |
| 08:57.45 | Greywind | [Liquidor]: I'm glad you were asking all that stuff cause it was new to me and i learned a lot |
| 08:57.53 | Cartas | That's just a fake feeling, CKKnight. |
| 08:57.53 | [Liquidor] | heh |
| 08:57.55 | Cartas | I really won. |
| 08:57.58 | ckknight | lol. |
| 08:58.01 | Cartas | :D |
| 08:58.04 | Cartas | Defeated! |
| 08:58.10 | ckknight | I still believe in the soul, even if you don't |
| 08:58.17 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:58.25 | Cartas | Come back when you tell me how they interact, old chap! <3 |
| 08:58.29 | ckknight | [Liquidor], lol, the fake Windows thing? |
| 08:58.34 | ckknight | Cartas, with a box. |
| 08:58.37 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: heh |
| 08:58.40 | Cartas | What's it made of? :O |
| 08:58.42 | Cartas | Cardboard? |
| 08:58.44 | Greywind | now to get into TBC so I can convert Shifter |
| 08:58.48 | ckknight | yes, Cartas |
| 08:58.51 | Cartas | Woah. |
| 08:58.51 | ckknight | cardboard. |
| 08:58.55 | Cartas | The real world is so advanced. |
| 08:59.06 | ckknight | I know. |
| 08:59.17 | Cartas | So, CKKnight. What's the point in being here if you know it's all fake? |
| 08:59.18 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: fake in what way? |
| 08:59.25 | weab | christ Cartas shut up |
| 08:59.27 | ckknight | Cartas, to pass the time. |
| 08:59.30 | weab | let him believe what he wants |
| 08:59.37 | Cartas | I'm just asking questions about it, Weab :O |
| 08:59.42 | Cartas | Sorry for wanting to know what he thinks :( |
| 08:59.47 | weab | get a new topic already |
| 08:59.49 | [Liquidor] | They're for real, although they don't look like that anymore, got the borders and fonts managed and several fontstrings converted aswell |
| 08:59.59 | ckknight | immortality is boring and there's nothing to do up there, so we put ourselves in here to pass the time. |
| 09:00.01 | [Liquidor] | working on the menu wtm |
| 09:00.08 | ckknight | hehe, [Liquidor] |
| 09:00.25 | Cartas | So, when you die... is that when you 'logout'? :o |
| 09:00.31 | Cartas | Then you start again? |
| 09:00.49 | weab | yes, then you go drop a giant turdbomb in heaven's bathroom and you make a new toon |
| 09:00.50 | ckknight | yea, you reroll. |
| 09:00.56 | Cartas | lol, reroll :P |
| 09:00.57 | weab | simple |
| 09:01.05 | ckknight | yep, weab's got it right. |
| 09:01.15 | Cartas | It's heaven? |
| 09:01.19 | ckknight | yes. |
| 09:01.21 | Fritti | right so... what is the svn server I can commit to again? :-/ |
| 09:01.33 | Fritti | svn.wowace.com/wowace doesn't seem to work? |
| 09:01.33 | Gngsk | I remember when Ckknight ranted for 2 hours about the ideal society with someone, maybe it was Neronix |
| 09:01.35 | ckknight | granted, heaven's just a name for it. |
| 09:01.38 | Gngsk | did I miss something like that? |
| 09:01.48 | ckknight | Gngsk, yes. |
| 09:01.52 | Cartas | I don't think we should call it heaven. Just let's stick to it as the Ethereal plane :P |
| 09:01.53 | Gngsk | oh, goody |
| 09:02.00 | Gngsk | good thing I keep logs |
| 09:02.02 | ckknight | Cartas, same thing, different name. |
| 09:02.07 | Cartas | Yeh |
| 09:02.15 | Cartas | But a heaven can be interpreted as many things. |
| 09:02.16 | CIA-17 | 03kemayo * r16458 10PeriodicTable/ (Core/PTEmbed.lua Tradeskills/PTTradeskillsEmbed.lua): PeriodicTable: Pairs. |
| 09:02.19 | gxam | the horse is dead |
| 09:02.22 | gxam | stop beating it |
| 09:02.27 | ckknight | Gngsk, this time we talked about Libertarianism vs. Socialism, then we got on to my kooky religion |
| 09:02.40 | ckknight | yea, Cartas, just stop |
| 09:02.43 | ckknight | it's kinda dead now |
| 09:02.44 | Gngsk | sounds interesting |
| 09:02.46 | Cartas | Wha? :o |
| 09:02.49 | ckknight | you asked all the questions already |
| 09:02.49 | Cartas | Are we not allowed to talk? |
| 09:03.00 | ckknight | meh |
| 09:03.04 | ckknight | you keep going over the same things |
| 09:03.09 | gxam | i've been reading at most one line of this shit every 5 or 10 minutes |
| 09:03.11 | gxam | and this is all totally obvious to me |
| 09:03.20 | gxam | plus it's massively massively off topic |
| 09:03.29 | ckknight | gxam, we have a topic to be on? |
| 09:03.36 | Cartas | It was on-topic :O |
| 09:03.53 | Xuerian | gxam: Why beat the horse. |
| 09:04.01 | Xuerian | When you can beat yourself :D |
| 09:04.03 | weab | Xuerian: tell that to ck and cart |
| 09:04.05 | CIA-17 | 03kemayo * r16459 10Mendeleev/Mendeleev.lua: Mendeleev: SecureHook for tooltip methods, for TBC compat. |
| 09:04.11 | ckknight | lol, Xuerian |
| 09:04.12 | Cartas | I don't understand you people... |
| 09:04.21 | Cartas | If two people are just talking, how can it become a 'dead horse'? :o |
| 09:04.30 | Cartas | You're implying I'm still arguing with him... |
| 09:04.34 | Xuerian | And good lord why would you want to beat it? |
| 09:04.36 | weab | you are |
| 09:04.41 | Xuerian | ew. |
| 09:04.53 | Xuerian | That's like, necrophileastality |
| 09:05.03 | Cartas | Your ability of interpretation seems to be somewhat insufficient, Weab. :P |
| 09:05.36 | ckknight | you were kinda arguing |
| 09:05.39 | *** join/#wowace Royal (n=m@cp291458-a.landg1.lb.home.nl) |
| 09:05.45 | ckknight | I got a joke! |
| 09:05.59 | ckknight | why does the pope always come out of the shower with a towel around his waist? |
| 09:06.08 | ckknight | he doesn't want to look down on the unemployed. |
| 09:06.19 | Xuerian | XD |
| 09:06.22 | Gngsk | lawl |
| 09:06.24 | Greywind | lol |
| 09:06.31 | weab | see, pope joke. way better |
| 09:06.33 | Xuerian | eep. it's bedtime. |
| 09:06.37 | Xuerian | o/ |
| 09:06.40 | ckknight | cya, Xuerian |
| 09:06.59 | Xuerian|crdbrdbo | darn. |
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| 09:07.31 | weab | next time you guys want to get into a two hour discussion you should make it about something like lesbians |
| 09:07.33 | CIA-17 | 03fritti * r16460 10BugSack/ (BugSack.toc License.txt): |
| 09:07.33 | CIA-17 | BugSack: |
| 09:07.33 | CIA-17 | - license updates: wordwrap to 80 characters, remove Rowne's email address, |
| 09:07.33 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.33 | CIA-17 | - update Author & X-Credits in the TOC |
| 09:07.53 | weab | can never go wrong with lesbians |
| 09:08.17 | Greywind | actually you can, try hitting on one >.< |
| 09:08.44 | sylvanaar | they hit back |
| 09:09.07 | ckknight | Fritti, I contributed to BugSack ;-) |
| 09:09.12 | CIA-17 | 03fritti * r16461 10!BugGrabber/!BugGrabber.toc: |
| 09:09.13 | CIA-17 | !BugGrabber: |
| 09:09.13 | CIA-17 | - update Author & X-Credits to match BugSack |
| 09:09.25 | ckknight | I don't believe in lesbians :-P |
| 09:09.32 | Fritti | ckknight: oh ok, I didn't go over the svn logs in detail -- let me fix |
| 09:09.38 | Fritti | apologies |
| 09:09.41 | ckknight | Fritti, I made it work with TBC |
| 09:09.46 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 09:09.49 | Fritti | ah cool |
| 09:09.49 | ckknight | and such |
| 09:09.56 | Greywind | lol emule is making my irc chat not show anything for like a minute and then everything will suddenly appear. I'm reading it in blocks hehe |
| 09:10.13 | ckknight | alright |
| 09:10.25 | weab | lesbians may seem like a holy religious icon to many, but they're actually quite provable as real. not mythical! |
| 09:10.34 | weab | therefore, it does not matter if you believe in them or not |
| 09:10.41 | ckknight | weab, women are attracted to different things than men |
| 09:10.42 | Cartas | You can't prove them though! :O |
| 09:10.44 | ckknight | specifically power |
| 09:10.51 | Fritti | actually the author update was prompted by vhaar who rightfully pointed me to the wrong author on the wiki page ('The BugSack Team' is not that descriptive) |
| 09:10.58 | ckknight | look at Ellen Degenerous' girlfriend |
| 09:11.15 | ckknight | she went away, was "abducted by aliens", and ended up with a man. |
| 09:11.24 | weab | so? |
| 09:11.48 | Xuerian|Box | Women are to power as men are to breasts and asses. |
| 09:12.00 | ckknight | you don't ever see a gay man who figures out he's straight. |
| 09:12.07 | weab | that's bullshit. |
| 09:12.12 | ckknight | :-P |
| 09:12.24 | Xuerian|Box | Be it influence, charisma, money, willpower, or control o.0 |
| 09:12.28 | ckknight | how is it bullshit? |
| 09:12.36 | Cartas | You never see a straight man who figures out he's gay. |
| 09:12.43 | Cartas | Because he wouldn't be a straight man? |
| 09:12.43 | ckknight | yes you do, Cartas |
| 09:12.46 | ckknight | all the goddamn time |
| 09:12.49 | Cartas | No... |
| 09:12.51 | ckknight | well, someone who acts straight |
| 09:12.55 | ckknight | and then figures out he's gay |
| 09:12.56 | Cartas | Ah :P |
| 09:13.14 | weab | i have a friend who dated a woman in college |
| 09:13.19 | weab | a female friend, rather. |
| 09:13.38 | ckknight | okay |
| 09:13.42 | ckknight | how'd that turn out? |
| 09:14.11 | CIA-17 | 03fritti * r16462 10BugSack/BugSack.toc: BugSack: - add ckknight to the credits for porting BugSack to TBC |
| 09:14.14 | weab | badly. point is, she wasn't abducted by aliens! |
| 09:14.34 | ckknight | the abducted by aliens thing was clearly fake and a rouse to explain why she "turned straight" |
| 09:15.01 | CIA-17 | 03fritti * r16463 10!BugGrabber/!BugGrabber.toc: !BugGrabber: - add ckknight to the credits for porting !BugGrabber to TBC |
| 09:15.05 | weab | oh right. we were talking about men turning straight. well, here's the issue with your arguement |
| 09:15.15 | weab | it's not ok for a guy to be gay. they avoid it |
| 09:15.28 | weab | the ones that are tell themselves they are not |
| 09:15.37 | ckknight | (cause God hates fags) |
| 09:15.53 | weab | lesbians on the other hand |
| 09:15.55 | weab | that's hot |
| 09:16.04 | ckknight | ah, but God hates lesbians as well. |
| 09:16.05 | Fritti | yay for Tekkub's toc -> wiki script |
| 09:16.22 | ckknight | by God, I mean society and the religious right |
| 09:17.21 | weab | so the fags avoid who they are as long as possible until they can't deny it anymore. the women on the other hand, are encouraged by society to experiment. |
| 09:18.24 | ckknight | meh, I don't know enough information |
| 09:18.39 | Xuerian|Box | What I've been working on all night while the conversation reels through topics: http://imagesocket.com/view/rollprelim769.png |
| 09:18.52 | weab | it's ok, you can make stuff up |
| 09:18.54 | Cartas | Woah |
| 09:18.56 | Cartas | Xuerian|Box! |
| 09:19.01 | Cartas | Give! |
| 09:19.27 | Xuerian|Box | Soon. :P |
| 09:19.30 | Laric | Xuerian|Box hand it over :P |
| 09:19.37 | Cartas | I asked first! |
| 09:19.45 | Laric | are you guys still on theology? |
| 09:19.52 | Cartas | They're on sexuality. |
| 09:20.00 | *** join/#wowace Sole (n=no@203.109.213.247) |
| 09:20.02 | weab | i tried to sway the conversation towards lesbians |
| 09:20.03 | ckknight | specifically lesbianism |
| 09:20.03 | Sole | hallo |
| 09:20.09 | ckknight | hey Sole |
| 09:20.10 | Laric | oh they switched subject now :P |
| 09:20.16 | Sole | well looks like I stumbled into an interesting conversation |
| 09:20.27 | ckknight | yea, but I'm done with the convo, I ran out of information |
| 09:20.32 | ckknight | oh, and lesbians are hot. |
| 09:20.34 | Laric | rofl |
| 09:20.38 | Cartas | Not all lesbians. |
| 09:20.45 | weab | quiet you. |
| 09:20.49 | weab | perpetuate the fantasy |
| 09:20.54 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: need proff |
| 09:20.56 | [Liquidor] | proof* |
| 09:20.56 | weab | truth does not belong in conversations about lesbians. |
| 09:20.57 | Sole | I hate lesbians |
| 09:21.07 | Sole | I much prefer bi chicks |
| 09:21.11 | Sole | they let you join in ^_^ |
| 09:21.19 | Sole | hopefully.... |
| 09:21.50 | Sole | guess nobody agrees :( |
| 09:22.00 | ckknight | I agree |
| 09:22.05 | ckknight | it makes sense |
| 09:22.12 | ckknight | but frankly, bis are just greedy |
| 09:22.22 | [Liquidor] | I don't have to ask my woman to get more women in the bed =) |
| 09:22.23 | ckknight | why do they get the pick of 100% of the population, when I only get half? |
| 09:22.25 | Royal | Made a DKP mod, based on GetDKP code: http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1367/oothfuzs3.jpg - layout based on DSPFu (http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2725.0) |
| 09:22.40 | weab | that's not them being greedy |
| 09:22.42 | weab | it's you being selfish |
| 09:22.50 | Royal | atm it's guild-only, was wondering if there are any GetDKP-sort-of-addons out there, or would there be interest in a addon like that >< |
| 09:22.54 | weab | s/selfish/jealous/ |
| 09:23.01 | Laric | royal I am doing an aced version of getdkp :P |
| 09:23.06 | ckknight | cool, Royal |
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| 09:23.25 | Royal | hmm Laric, then I won't bother, staying guild-only :p |
| 09:23.33 | [Ammo] | tsss |
| 09:23.34 | ckknight | Sole, we had been talking about philosophy for like 2 hours... |
| 09:23.35 | [Ammo] | thanks for sharing! |
| 09:23.36 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 09:23.39 | Royal | ^^ |
| 09:23.46 | Xuerian|Box | Whatever 'yall make, make sure to tell me if I need to do anything to work it into any of monitor/history/master |
| 09:23.51 | Xuerian|Box | and gosh darnit BED |
| 09:23.54 | Sole | ahh philosophy is a great subject |
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| 09:24.02 | Laric | Royal nah go ahead |
| 09:24.13 | krka | philosophy is a huge waste of time |
| 09:24.14 | Laric | mine is bound to be slow in coming |
| 09:24.23 | Cartas | You're a huge waste of time, Krka! |
| 09:24.27 | Sole | i am also of the opinion that comitting untested code is the way to go |
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| 09:24.44 | Sole | its fun seeing some noobs bitch ^_^ |
| 09:24.49 | krka | never said i wasn't! |
| 09:24.51 | Cartas | lol |
| 09:26.12 | Sole | having a discussion on pilosophy with a person can tell you a lot about the person |
| 09:26.25 | Cartas | CKKnight is INSANE! |
| 09:26.45 | Sole | well I knew that from the moment he dissed on Antagonist's original name |
| 09:26.52 | Cartas | lol |
| 09:26.56 | Sole | Im still gonna write an addon called Soap |
| 09:27.02 | Cartas | For what? :o |
| 09:27.05 | Sole | I dont know |
| 09:27.14 | Cartas | I liked Soap! |
| 09:27.14 | Sole | Antagonist has gone through 2 name changes now :P |
| 09:27.20 | Cartas | Now I no longer use it... |
| 09:27.24 | Sole | Soap -> HostelBar (eww) -> Antagonist |
| 09:27.28 | Sole | why not |
| 09:27.34 | Cartas | Because it's not called Soap, see! |
| 09:27.35 | Mikma | Son Of A Peach |
| 09:27.38 | Mikma | SOAP |
| 09:27.38 | Sole | damn |
| 09:27.40 | Cartas | lol |
| 09:27.47 | Fritti | snakes on a plane |
| 09:27.48 | Cartas | I use Antagonist :D |
| 09:27.51 | Sole | :P |
| 09:27.55 | Mikma | ok Fritti won |
| 09:27.56 | ckknight | I'm not insane. |
| 09:28.01 | Cartas | That's what insane people say. |
| 09:28.04 | Mikma | ckknight: prove it |
| 09:28.13 | Fritti | /bow Mikma |
| 09:28.18 | Sole | speaking of which I gotta poke someone to add new BC spells and talents to Babble-Spell |
| 09:28.20 | ckknight | insanity is not recognized by the American Psychological Association. |
| 09:28.28 | ckknight | Sole, you add em? |
| 09:28.28 | Sole | Id do it myself but Im prone to fucking it up royally |
| 09:28.41 | Sole | well actually Id do it |
| 09:28.48 | Sole | I just havent even bothered logging in these last 2 days |
| 09:29.17 | Cartas | When you update Antagonist for TBC call it The Soapy Crusade please. |
| 09:29.22 | Sole | zomg |
| 09:29.29 | Sole | I wont have to update it though |
| 09:29.38 | Sole | all Ill do is update the 3 data files with new spells |
| 09:29.47 | Sole | AFAIK ParserLib still functions in TBC, amirite? |
| 09:29.49 | CIA-17 | 03kemayo * r16464 10Mendeleev/Mendeleev.lua: Mendeleev: One more securehook. |
| 09:29.51 | Cartas | You need to update it for the name change :O |
| 09:29.55 | Sole | :P |
| 09:30.06 | Sole | Ill only have to update it for the syntax changes to for loops |
| 09:30.30 | Cartas | That huge change basically makes it a different addon. |
| 09:30.35 | Cartas | So it needs a different name! |
| 09:30.57 | Sole | im tired of redirecting people tho :P |
| 09:31.13 | Cartas | Everyone will have that addon just because of the name! |
| 09:31.19 | Sole | so its kinda lame having no feedback on Antagonist anymore :( |
| 09:31.22 | Sole | lol Ill make a new one |
| 09:31.41 | Sole | that does some random crap...but itl be called The Soapy Crusade so itl be worth having |
| 09:31.43 | Sole | amirite? |
| 09:31.51 | Cartas | urrite! |
| 09:31.57 | Sole | yus! |
| 09:32.31 | Sole | wtb a bug to fix in Antagonist...I dont have enough time to code a new addon but I want to meddle with something |
| 09:32.48 | Cartas | Hm |
| 09:32.53 | Sole | hopefully Ill make a bug somewhere in this duel exclusion stuff |
| 09:32.54 | Cartas | The name is bugged :O |
| 09:33.00 | Sole | damn |
| 09:33.04 | Cartas | lol |
| 09:33.20 | Cartas | Just make your own game, Sole. |
| 09:33.28 | Cartas | World of Soapcraft: The Soapy Crusade. |
| 09:34.01 | Sole | zomg |
| 09:34.04 | Sole | brilliance! |
| 09:34.07 | Sole | genius! |
| 09:35.01 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r16465 10Sheppard/ (Sheppard.toc libs/): Sheppard - Getting ready for InBed |
| 09:35.37 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r16466 10Sheppard/ (Libs/ Sheppard.toc): Sheppard - Setting libraries and externals (Automated commit by InBed) |
| 09:36.28 | Sole | ok Im a nubcaek - how do I reference the blizz string patterns? |
| 09:36.41 | Fritti | kkc |
| 09:36.44 | Fritti | meh ww |
| 09:36.48 | ckknight | Sole, should be globals. |
| 09:37.01 | Sole | yeah GlobalStrings.lua..looking at it now |
| 09:37.07 | Sole | IVe just never dealt with it in WoW before |
| 09:37.16 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r16467 10Sheppard/Core.lua: Sheppard - Me == BAKA! |
| 09:37.20 | Sole | BAKA |
| 09:37.46 | evl | BAKA |
| 09:37.48 | evl | wtf is baka |
| 09:37.57 | abbat_w | Sole! |
| 09:38.01 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r16468 10Sheppard/ (Libs/ Sheppard.toc): Sheppard - Setting libraries and externals (Automated commit by InBed) |
| 09:38.03 | Sole | hai |
| 09:38.13 | abbat_w | Plz add feature to hide all bars on alt+click maybe ;) |
| 09:38.19 | Sole | oh yeah |
| 09:38.24 | Sole | uhm for now just to /ant stop :P |
| 09:39.03 | abbat_w | yep, but it's be nice if you alt+click on cooldowns (for example) and all cooldowns hides ;) |
| 09:39.19 | abbat_w | And it's not be easy in fight do /ant stop ;) |
| 09:40.29 | Sole | true |
| 09:40.39 | Sole | but if you dont want cooldowns then disable em? O_O |
| 09:41.08 | abbat_w | no no, i want. but sometimes i have about 10+ bars on my screen ;) |
| 09:41.24 | Sole | I take it you play without targetonly :P |
| 09:41.37 | abbat_w | yep |
| 09:41.59 | Sole | :P |
| 09:42.42 | Sole | well its doable |
| 09:43.06 | Sole | just Ill have to write a method to cycle through the running bars and pick out the group of bars you want to cancel |
| 09:43.26 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.36 | Sole | alt+left = stop 1 bar, alt+right = stop group (Casts/cd/buffS) |
| 09:43.40 | Sole | sound good? |
| 09:43.41 | abbat_w | Yeah. It's be pretty nice ;) |
| 09:43.54 | Tekkub | I have this sudden urge to lock http://www.wowace.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=User:Sylvanaar&rcid=10043 |
| 09:43.54 | abbat_w | sounds perfect |
| 09:43.57 | Sole | well Ill stick it in the back of my head to do :P |
| 09:44.14 | Sole | least somebody uses Ant :P |
| 09:44.21 | Sole | lawl tekkub...I love it |
| 09:44.32 | abbat_w | Some times ago i use natur cast bat and this mod have this functionality |
| 09:44.58 | abbat_w | But i replace necb with Antagonist and won't back to necb :) |
| 09:45.15 | Tekkub | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/User:Sylvanaar |
| 09:45.16 | Tekkub | better |
| 09:45.56 | Sole | hehe |
| 09:46.03 | Sole | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/User:Sole |
| 09:46.14 | Sole | if you change that you have no soul |
| 09:46.21 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 09:46.32 | Sole | I CALL YOU TEKKUBZIE |
| 09:46.34 | Tekkub | no I deleted a few useless pages he made |
| 09:46.37 | Sole | HOW CAN YOU CHANGE THAT? |
| 09:46.48 | Tekkub | all they said was "Page coming soon" |
| 09:46.59 | Tekkub | that totally defeats the point of the wiki :P |
| 09:47.07 | Tekkub | red links are useful damnit |
| 09:47.25 | Sole | lol |
| 09:47.28 | Sole | so true |
| 09:47.46 | Sole | "1 luV t3h h4wtz0r b4be t3kkuBz1e" that basicly sums up my wiki page |
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| 09:50.32 | Sole | so how are you all doing? |
| 09:51.09 | Sole | id like to think of this irc channel as a family...of loving addicts |
| 09:51.11 | Sole | i love you guys |
| 09:51.19 | abbat_w | =) |
| 09:51.24 | Sole | =] |
| 09:51.38 | Sole | lol Ive just been in a pretty good mood all week |
| 09:51.51 | Sole | been saying that a lot >_< |
| 09:52.00 | abbat_w | I think Sole have nice morning with nice breakfast ;) |
| 09:52.21 | Sole | =] |
| 09:52.32 | Sole | tis love my friend |
| 09:52.44 | abbat_w | ah ;) |
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| 09:52.45 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 09:52.46 | Sole | oh yah and I had a pretty damn nice breakfast too :P |
| 09:52.53 | Tekkub | FUCK YOU! |
| 09:53.02 | Tekkub | and hrm... the sake isn't as bad as it was the other night |
| 09:53.14 | Sole | HEY |
| 09:53.21 | Sole | DONT HATE APPRECIATE |
| 09:53.25 | Sole | AIGHT? |
| 09:53.27 | Tekkub | maybe it wasn't cold enough |
| 09:53.54 | Sole | youre cold enough though |
| 09:53.58 | Tekkub | or maybe it just don't mix well with muscadine |
| 09:54.25 | Sole | lol so last night I fell asleep listening to my ipod |
| 09:54.36 | Sole | I woke myself up by accidentaly hitting play again at 4am |
| 09:54.40 | Sole | in my sleep |
| 09:54.48 | Tekkub | good one |
| 09:55.01 | Tekkub | I'm still debating what to do about my music |
| 09:55.06 | Sole | whats worse is I didnt realise wtf was going on |
| 09:55.11 | Tekkub | I could get a ipod/zune |
| 09:55.14 | Sole | "WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE NOISES IN MY HEAD!?" |
| 09:55.14 | andremar | My mother always told me to not sleep with headphones on |
| 09:55.19 | andremar | as one could strangle oneself |
| 09:55.27 | Tekkub | or I could get a big ass HDD and set up the fileserver I've been pondering |
| 09:55.37 | Sole | well I was just listening to it to relax a bit...but I ended up falling asleep |
| 09:55.41 | Tekkub | andremar, bullshit |
| 09:55.48 | Sole | yeah that too |
| 09:55.50 | Tekkub | you'd break the wires |
| 09:56.04 | Sole | the wires would just pop out of the player and youd be all good |
| 09:56.08 | andremar | depends on the headset I'd say |
| 09:56.09 | Tekkub | I've brken necklaces in my sleep that are a lot stronger than headphone wires |
| 09:56.27 | Sole | its not exactly a 10kg weight connected to the headphones :P |
| 09:56.35 | Tekkub | well yea, if it's a nice 1/4" thick wire, sure |
| 09:56.54 | Tekkub | but why would you sleep with big professional headphones on |
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| 09:57.13 | Sole | well I know 1 guy that I wouldnt be surprised of if he did that |
| 09:57.44 | Sole | hed buy a brand new pair of some expensive headphones that he doesnt need and will love them so much that he'll sleep with em on |
| 09:57.48 | Sole | just to be close to em |
| 09:57.57 | Sole | yeah hes a bit weird if you havent gathered that already |
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| 09:58.45 | CIA-17 | 03fritti * r16469 10BugSack/BugSack.toc: BugSack: bump version to 2.1.0 to get rid of $Rev$ |
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| 09:59.42 | doktoreas | hi mate! |
| 09:59.51 | Tekkub | mate? |
| 09:59.59 | CIA-17 | 03fritti * r16470 10!BugGrabber/!BugGrabber.toc: !BugGrabber: add version number, in sync with BugSack for now |
| 10:00.06 | doktoreas | do you know if there's a away to check in game player subscribed in phpraid |
| 10:00.16 | doktoreas | Tekkub, mates, sorry :D |
| 10:00.18 | sylvanaar | Tekkub: I was trying to get my author link working |
| 10:00.41 | Tekkub | you mean the category page? :P |
| 10:00.53 | andremar | Sole: well, the issue came up one time when I hooked my headphones up to my stereo, so the problem will most likely be less today |
| 10:00.58 | Sole | you must be either english, australian, kiwi or something close |
| 10:01.15 | sylvanaar | I cant click on my name on RegenFu and edit the page |
| 10:01.33 | Sole | andremar: well I listen to my ipod so its not exactly as big of a possible freak health hazard as a stereo |
| 10:01.37 | sylvanaar | It gives an authentication errot |
| 10:01.42 | abbat_w | --- |
| 10:01.43 | abbat_w | * Added the ability to hide an active bar by SHIFT + left clicking it (thanks Limited) |
| 10:01.43 | abbat_w | * Added the ability to clear all bars at once by ALT + left clicking it |
| 10:01.43 | sylvanaar | error |
| 10:01.44 | abbat_w | --- |
| 10:01.50 | CIA-17 | 03cwdg * r16471 10ChatLog/ (ChatLog.toc Locale-zhCN.lua): ChatLog: Update .toc file and zhCN locale. |
| 10:01.55 | abbat_w | this is how necb works to hide bars ;) |
| 10:02.08 | sylvanaar | so, i was tryint to make it work from my username side |
| 10:02.12 | Sole | yea but antagonist isnt necb... |
| 10:02.14 | sylvanaar | which did not work |
| 10:02.19 | sylvanaar | hence the pages |
| 10:02.28 | Sole | i think I like the alt+left or right click more :P |
| 10:02.28 | Tekkub | it gives me that somethimes too, but I can still hit save page and it'll go thru |
| 10:02.30 | abbat_w | Sole, antagonist better |
| 10:02.37 | abbat_w | Sure |
| 10:02.50 | Tekkub | User:sylvanaar is a totally different page |
| 10:02.55 | Sole | ill also do alt+middle click to clear all bars maybe |
| 10:03.12 | sylvanaar | of course i didnt realize that until i made it |
| 10:03.21 | Sole | or maybe alt + left + right |
| 10:03.38 | Tekkub | :P you want me to delete it or you plan on putting useful info on it? |
| 10:03.48 | Sole | does CandyBar take a double mouse button click (hitting right and left mouse buttons at once) |
| 10:04.12 | Tekkub | Sole, I don't think any frame can take that |
| 10:04.28 | Tekkub | I think moving in worldframe is the only thing that can |
| 10:04.37 | Tekkub | and obviously that's not API level |
| 10:04.39 | Sole | =[ |
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| 10:06.26 | Tekkub | yea, WorldFrame.lua/xml has no click handler |
| 10:06.32 | Tekkub | it's not done with the API |
| 10:06.49 | Sole | oh well |
| 10:06.50 | sylvanaar | sure delete it, i was just trying to get it to work |
| 10:06.56 | Sole | thanks tekky |
| 10:07.26 | Worf | hmm... the blizzard downloader is actually torrent... is that still the case? and if so, does one know of .torrent for the beta? |
| 10:07.29 | Tekkub | BALETED! |
| 10:08.20 | Tekkub | put in the generic edit on http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Category:Author:Sylvanaar for you too |
| 10:08.30 | Tekkub | you acn add crap if you want |
| 10:09.00 | Sole | Worf: there was one posted here like 2 weeks ago |
| 10:09.33 | Sole | Word: Ive got the TBC client installed already...just no damn beta key coming my way even though I won the damn mod author's competion over at ui.worldofwar.net |
| 10:09.54 | Sole | been 3 working days at blizz since I was told I won |
| 10:10.00 | Tekkub | Sole, none of the US people got keys as far as we can tell |
| 10:10.04 | sylvanaar | Tekkub: thanks |
| 10:10.08 | Worf | Sole: i got mine yesterday |
| 10:10.12 | Worf | (EU) |
| 10:10.20 | Tekkub | cair's been talking with em, he's gonna resend tomorrow |
| 10:10.28 | Sole | alright |
| 10:10.33 | Tekkub | EU got em, US didn't |
| 10:10.41 | Sole | well Tekkub Im not talking about the WoWInterface one |
| 10:10.45 | Tekkub | at least I haven't seen any USers say they got theirs |
| 10:10.54 | Tekkub | both sites |
| 10:10.57 | Tekkub | and some others |
| 10:10.58 | [Liquidor] | EU <3 |
| 10:10.59 | Sole | ahh alright |
| 10:11.10 | Tekkub | it seems like the US batch just didn't go out this week |
| 10:11.15 | Sole | =[ |
| 10:11.22 | Tekkub | he said he sent it, but noone's gotten it |
| 10:11.45 | Tekkub | so unless people get em tonight, they'll send again tamara |
| 10:11.53 | Sole | maybe this is some sort of cruel prank by blizz |
| 10:12.04 | Sole | "yea we'll give you beta keys for mod authors" |
| 10:12.09 | Tekkub | might be part of Cair's plan |
| 10:12.09 | Sole | a week later |
| 10:12.13 | Sole | "LOLOL JOKIN" |
| 10:12.23 | Tekkub | give everyone keys, but then make em squirm for two weeks |
| 10:12.29 | Sole | haha |
| 10:12.33 | Tekkub | as payback for whinin |
| 10:12.44 | Sole | hmm |
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| 10:13.02 | Tekkub | or maybe cair needs to play with slouken's beard more |
| 10:13.12 | Sole | so could I use the GlobalStrings patterns from blizz and essentialy avoid localization? |
| 10:13.18 | kebinusan | mmm bleach 102 out |
| 10:13.29 | Tekkub | somewhat, if it has the strings you need |
| 10:13.38 | Sole | all I need is DUEL_COUNTDOWN |
| 10:13.39 | Tekkub | like MailFu works without locale |
| 10:13.47 | Tekkub | but the UI is in engrish :) |
| 10:14.03 | Sole | yea Ive done it in english |
| 10:14.10 | Nargiddley | i use one of the global strings like that in mine |
| 10:14.25 | Sole | what is yours? |
| 10:14.29 | Nargiddley | MainAssist |
| 10:14.40 | Nargiddley | only put it up earlier today |
| 10:15.04 | Nargiddley | leaving and joining a raid are the ones i watch for |
| 10:19.15 | Sole | ugh I suck at string processing |
| 10:19.43 | Nargiddley | does the message you're after have any variable parts, or always the same |
| 10:19.46 | Nargiddley | like names etc |
| 10:20.15 | Sole | just 1 var |
| 10:20.28 | Sole | "Duel starting: 1" is what Im after :) |
| 10:20.39 | Sole | Duel starting : %s is the pattern |
| 10:21.21 | Nargiddley | one of the ones i have is similar |
| 10:21.30 | Nargiddley | "%s has joined the raid group." |
| 10:22.37 | Sole | uhm |
| 10:22.51 | ckknight | use Deformat |
| 10:22.54 | ckknight | that's what it's made for. |
| 10:23.08 | Sole | alrighty |
| 10:23.18 | Sole | ck to save the day once again |
| 10:24.19 | Nargiddley | ooh a library for it, gotta get mine using that as well |
| 10:24.49 | vhaarr | hrm |
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| 10:24.59 | vhaarr | Why doesn't [`'\"](.*)[`'\"] match all quoted stings? |
| 10:25.22 | vhaarr | string.gsub(input, "[`'\"](.*)[`'\"]", "\"$1\"") |
| 10:25.40 | vhaarr | err %1 |
| 10:26.59 | _icetrain | When checking out some minor addon hacks I made in the TBC client i get an error saying I must SecureHook pretty much anything i try to hook (like AddMessage etc), am I doing something wrong? :) |
| 10:27.31 | vhaarr | add , true to the hook |
| 10:27.44 | vhaarr | to forcefully hook secure functions |
| 10:27.44 | _icetrain | I gotta do that for all no nsecure things? |
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| 10:27.56 | vhaarr | if you intend to taint, yes |
| 10:28.20 | _icetrain | hmm ok |
| 10:28.27 | _icetrain | thin i missunderstood how that worked then :) |
| 10:29.25 | _icetrain | so you basicly securehook by default with AH2.1 in TBC then? |
| 10:29.40 | ckknight | if you can securehook, do |
| 10:30.52 | vhaarr | ckknight: string.gsub(input, "[`'\"](.*)[`'\"]", "\"%1\""), why doesn't that match all the quoted strings in input? |
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| 10:31.10 | _icetrain | ckknight: yeah kinda hard to do if I want to insert a timestamp in my chatstrings :-) |
| 10:31.36 | _icetrain | vhaarr: tried escaping with % instead of \? |
| 10:31.51 | vhaarr | _icetrain: " is not a magic character in patterns |
| 10:31.53 | vhaarr | but I'll try |
| 10:31.54 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16472 10ManaPerc/ (ManaPerc.lua ManaPerc.toc): |
| 10:31.54 | CIA-17 | ManaPerc: |
| 10:31.54 | CIA-17 | - Bumped TOC to 20000. |
| 10:31.54 | CIA-17 | - Removed empty :OnDisable() function. |
| 10:33.48 | [Liquidor] | vhaarr: |
| 10:33.56 | [Liquidor] | (".-") should be enough |
| 10:34.34 | vhaarr | ah, that was the problem |
| 10:34.37 | vhaarr | .* instead of .- |
| 10:34.39 | vhaarr | thanks |
| 10:34.45 | [Ammo] | .- = minimal i guess |
| 10:35.19 | [Liquidor] | I've read PIL \o/ |
| 10:35.20 | odt | anyone here know if dreamchat does allow you to modify the chat editbox location? |
| 10:35.23 | odt | like prat does |
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| 10:37.22 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16473 10Fizzle/Core.lua: |
| 10:37.22 | CIA-17 | Fizzle: |
| 10:37.22 | CIA-17 | - Removed pointless :UpdateItems() call from :OnEnable(). |
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| 10:37.31 | CIA-17 | 03sole * r16474 10Antagonist/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 10:37.31 | CIA-17 | Antagonist |
| 10:37.31 | CIA-17 | - added duel exclusion code (COMPLETELY UNTESTED - think of it as a fun experiment) |
| 10:37.31 | CIA-17 | Now if you are dueling someone but you are in a group or raid with each other then Antagonist should work, theoretically of course. |
| 10:37.31 | CIA-17 | - optimized the /ant stop console command |
| 10:38.20 | abbat_w | btw guys |
| 10:38.41 | ckknight_ | hrm, abbat_w? |
| 10:38.54 | abbat_w | if someone do some pretty nice changes in you mods and send to author - it's ok? |
| 10:39.09 | ckknight | yea |
| 10:39.13 | ckknight | typically |
| 10:39.14 | abbat_w | I mean mod authors looks at this or you just skip? |
| 10:39.28 | abbat_w | Ah, ok |
| 10:39.56 | ckknight | I typically accept patches and welcome people to change my work, as long as they don't fuck things up or make things horribly inefficient |
| 10:40.12 | [Liquidor] | If anyone had any improvements to my addon I would go nuts and scream at them, yell and tell them to get the fock off ! |
| 10:40.30 | abbat_w | Liq ;) |
| 10:40.34 | [Liquidor] | :) |
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| 10:42.12 | zoktar | best chat addon ? =P |
| 10:42.28 | [Liquidor] | Uhm |
| 10:42.31 | [Liquidor] | That would be mine |
| 10:43.55 | zoktar | my chats all screwed up thought that would be best way of fixing it :P |
| 10:44.02 | Sole | gnite my friends |
| 10:44.05 | zoktar | whats it caöllaed ? |
| 10:44.11 | [Liquidor] | nn Sole |
| 10:44.19 | [Liquidor] | even though its 11:45 am here |
| 10:44.38 | sbu | 'morning |
| 10:45.31 | sbu | yep, 11:45 ;p |
| 10:46.51 | zoktar | whats it called liquidor ? |
| 10:47.09 | [Liquidor] | It isn't public and it isn't the best neither |
| 10:47.26 | zoktar | ok :) |
| 10:47.36 | sbu | and it isnt even an addon i guess? :p |
| 10:47.54 | [Liquidor] | well |
| 10:48.35 | zoktar | any suggestions ? |
| 10:48.42 | [Liquidor] | Interface\Addons\Liquid\10#Liquid_Chat\ | 0 files |
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| 10:48.53 | [Liquidor] | It's 10th on my todo list |
| 10:50.14 | CIA-17 | 03nargiddley * r16475 10MainAssist/ (. MainAssist.lua MainAssist.toc): |
| 10:50.14 | CIA-17 | MainAssist: |
| 10:50.14 | CIA-17 | - Fixed Externals |
| 10:50.14 | CIA-17 | - Now using Deformat |
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| 10:53.52 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16477 10FuBar_NameToggleFu/FuBar_NameToggleFu.toc: |
| 10:53.52 | CIA-17 | FuBar_NameToggleFu: |
| 10:53.52 | CIA-17 | - TOC updated to 20000 |
| 10:55.34 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16478 10FuBar_BagFu/FuBar_BagFu.toc: |
| 10:55.34 | CIA-17 | FuBar_BagFu: |
| 10:55.34 | CIA-17 | - TOC updated to 20000 |
| 10:56.32 | vhaarr | not sure I agree with those TOC changes |
| 10:57.16 | ckknight | I don't. |
| 10:59.18 | Fritti | but 1.12 loads TOC 20000 already, right? |
| 11:00.01 | ckknight | yes, with load out of date. |
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| 11:01.51 | phyber | should I revert and keep a branch of them then? |
| 11:02.20 | ckknight | why branch? |
| 11:02.23 | vhaarr | don't branch for a TOC change, people running TBC beta can update their tocs manually. |
| 11:02.36 | vhaarr | phyber: read http://www.wowace.com/wiki/TBC_Converted_Addons |
| 11:03.11 | phyber | vhaarr: ahh. ok, I'll put the TOC back and add them to that list :) |
| 11:03.21 | vhaarr | good |
| 11:03.57 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16479 10ManaPerc/ManaPerc.toc: |
| 11:03.57 | CIA-17 | ManaPerc: |
| 11:03.57 | CIA-17 | - TOC-- |
| 11:05.01 | odt | is there a guide how dreamchat should be used? |
| 11:05.16 | odt | it's window placed itself behind my fubar/bartender and it's not accessible |
| 11:05.22 | odt | no /commands seem to be implemented |
| 11:06.37 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16480 10FuBar_BagFu/FuBar_BagFu.toc: |
| 11:06.37 | CIA-17 | FuBar_BagFu: |
| 11:06.37 | CIA-17 | - TOC |
| 11:08.08 | phyber | with Denial2, do you think it's worth adding a "slow" option, that hooks using SecureHook, for people who really don't want to taint things. |
| 11:09.18 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16481 10Denial2/Denial2.toc: |
| 11:09.18 | CIA-17 | Denial2: |
| 11:09.18 | CIA-17 | - TOC |
| 11:10.23 | ckknight | you should always use SecureHook if you can. |
| 11:10.30 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16482 10Fizzle/Fizzle.toc: |
| 11:10.30 | CIA-17 | Fizzle: |
| 11:10.30 | CIA-17 | - TOC |
| 11:12.51 | phyber | ckknight: I can use it, but it makes it horrible and kind of slow. |
| 11:13.06 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16483 10FuBar_NameToggleFu/FuBar_NameToggleFu.toc: |
| 11:13.06 | CIA-17 | FuBar_NameToggleFu: |
| 11:13.06 | CIA-17 | - TOC: 11200 |
| 11:13.12 | ckknight | slow how? |
| 11:13.14 | phyber | for example, speaking to a vendor you see the chat screen for ~1sec before Denial kicks in and picks the option to view their goods. |
| 11:13.54 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: any way to detect mouseclicks NOT clicking your own frames? |
| 11:14.08 | ckknight | [Liquidor], not really. |
| 11:14.32 | [Liquidor] | uhm okay |
| 11:14.39 | ckknight | phyber, I seriously doubt that's an issue with SecureHook. |
| 11:15.56 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: what about the worldframe/uiparent frame, you know the "empty" area of the screen |
| 11:16.08 | ckknight | you could. |
| 11:16.09 | phyber | happens because the frame shows up before GOSSIP_SHOW is fired, i think. |
| 11:16.47 | ckknight | okay, I seriously doubt that's an issue with SecureHook, then |
| 11:17.38 | phyber | yeah, I didn't say it was. This is the reason why I didn't just RegistetEvenr("GOSSIP_SHOW") too :) |
| 11:17.53 | phyber | s/Evenr/Event/ |
| 11:18.07 | phyber | bah, spelling. |
| 11:22.11 | ckknight | hook the frame's OnShow? |
| 11:22.33 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r16484 10BugSack/ (BugSack.lua BugSackFu.lua): BugSack: Errors should no longer be truncated when stuff doesn't match our syntax coloring regexps. |
| 11:23.03 | [Liquidor] | How to I create an image with transparent areas? |
| 11:23.09 | [Liquidor] | Got PS CS2 |
| 11:23.16 | [Liquidor] | Or any guides around? |
| 11:23.56 | ckknight | you just use the alpha layer... |
| 11:25.53 | abbat_w | http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/showmessage.pl?forum=Nifty&msgnum=38 |
| 11:26.00 | abbat_w | check pdf in this thread |
| 11:26.16 | abbat_w | this is 'how to create textures with adobe photoshop for DART' |
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| 11:30.44 | vhaarr | o_O banzaialert is featured on wowi |
| 11:30.50 | vhaarr | no wonder my downloads increased |
| 11:32.40 | phyber | featured where? I don't see it on the frontpage. |
| 11:33.02 | vhaarr | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php? |
| 11:33.19 | phyber | oh, downloads page. |
| 11:42.43 | [Liquidor] | Does editing of textures require a restart of WoW.exe? |
| 11:43.41 | phyber | it shouldn't do, if they use the same filename. |
| 11:43.43 | ckknight | no |
| 11:43.50 | phyber | but if you add a new file, you need to restart. |
| 11:45.09 | [Liquidor] | ye I know that, just asking to the editing thing |
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| 11:45.52 | CIA-17 | 03jerry 07jerry * r16485 10sRaidFrames/: sRaidFrames (jerry's branch) : created branch folder |
| 11:46.55 | CIA-17 | 03jerry 07jerry * r16486 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames/: sRaidFrames (jerry's branch) : Creating branch |
| 11:47.20 | vhaarr | ckknight: Would you be opposed to /addon about showing X-Credits? |
| 11:47.31 | ckknight | no |
| 11:48.00 | phyber | ok, there is a page on the Wiki about Fizzle. I take it this was some how automatically generated from my WoWI page and TOC data? |
| 11:48.08 | vhaarr | yes |
| 11:48.11 | phyber | neat. |
| 11:48.21 | vhaarr | err no |
| 11:48.29 | vhaarr | from your TOC, yes, from wowi, no. |
| 11:48.41 | phyber | oh? |
| 11:48.47 | vhaarr | http://wowace.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Fizzle&action=history |
| 11:48.50 | vhaarr | Someone has edited it. |
| 11:49.05 | phyber | ahh |
| 11:49.10 | vhaarr | http://wowace.com/wiki/Bartender2_BindingSwap |
| 11:49.19 | vhaarr | That's what the auto-generated page looks like. |
| 11:49.58 | vhaarr | hm, according to that text it does actually pull description from wowi |
| 11:50.00 | vhaarr | that's neat |
| 11:50.42 | phyber | so, somewhere on the wiki must document the little X- things I can use to put info on there. |
| 11:51.01 | Wobin | yes |
| 11:51.06 | phyber | found :) |
| 11:52.24 | [Liquidor] | True or false? It's possible to colorize textures without coloring the transparent areas. |
| 11:54.16 | vhaarr | ckknight: want a patch for X-Credits? |
| 11:55.09 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16487 10Fizzle/Fizzle.toc: |
| 11:55.09 | CIA-17 | Fizzle: |
| 11:55.09 | CIA-17 | - Update TOC to add more metadata. |
| 11:56.41 | CIA-17 | 03jerry 07jerry * r16488 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames/ (localization.enUS.lua localization.frFR.lua sRaidFrames.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:56.41 | CIA-17 | sRaidFrames (jerry's branch) : |
| 11:56.41 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.41 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.41 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.43 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.45 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.46 | vhaarr | ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/2284 http://ace.pastey.net/2283 |
| 12:00.03 | zoktar | any idea why tekksupport dissapears from fubar ? altho its loaded ? |
| 12:00.41 | Wobin | check if it's actually loaded |
| 12:00.47 | Wobin | use S&D |
| 12:00.51 | odt | what addon could be causing every emote i do to appear in a box in the middle of the screen and then fading away in 10sec? |
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| 12:01.01 | vhaarr | prat |
| 12:01.08 | odt | k |
| 12:01.17 | odt | just updated to a new version |
| 12:01.19 | odt | i guess that's why |
| 12:01.25 | zoktar | S&D ? |
| 12:01.56 | odt | supply and demand |
| 12:01.57 | Wobin | Supply and Demand |
| 12:02.40 | zoktar | ah |
| 12:02.45 | zoktar | thats how i turned it on |
| 12:02.49 | zoktar | thnx :) |
| 12:03.21 | zoktar | is there a ktm fubar btw? |
| 12:03.26 | zoktar | havnt found one |
| 12:05.35 | AKX | zoktar, shouldn't be that hard to implement really |
| 12:10.19 | AKX | Actually |
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| 12:13.20 | odt | yay, finally had the bright idea to put the chat editbox on the unused space in the middle of fubar |
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| 12:24.02 | sbu | mhh [Ammo]? |
| 12:24.56 | sbu | think pinpoint is broken now since it uses acelocale-2.0 and has no embedded libs |
| 12:29.09 | AKX | Live and learn... I never knew you can call functions without (parentheses) |
| 12:29.58 | [Wobin] | =\ |
| 12:30.06 | [Wobin] | I don't think it helps readability to do that though |
| 12:30.14 | cryogen | you can and you cant |
| 12:30.19 | AKX | Well, AceLocale used it for L"foo" it seems |
| 12:30.37 | cryogen | for strings its ok |
| 12:30.45 | cryogen | for other things its not so ok |
| 12:31.24 | [Liquidor] | read the PIL :) |
| 12:31.40 | cryogen | the blue one or the red one? |
| 12:33.07 | [Wobin] | Both |
| 12:33.10 | [Wobin] | Why skimp? =P |
| 12:33.30 | [Wobin] | omg |
| 12:33.31 | [Wobin] | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF201-Toad_Race.gif#191 |
| 12:33.37 | [Wobin] | pbf is so FREAKY |
| 12:33.41 | [Wobin] | but scarily amusing |
| 12:34.10 | _icetrain | did itemlinks change in TBC? I have a string.gfind to extract id etc that works fine in 1.12 but not with string.gmatch in 2.0 |
| 12:34.13 | krka | it's really only for strings and tables |
| 12:34.31 | JoshBork1 | yea, what krka said |
| 12:37.04 | JoshBork1 | AKX: i'm pretty sure the L"foo" is a meta-table trick |
| 12:37.27 | AKX | JoshBork1, yes, but if L was a function, it'd be a simple call |
| 12:37.31 | AKX | It's __call from metatable |
| 12:38.36 | krka | well, L"FOO" is as much as a trick as L("FOO") is |
| 12:44.58 | odt | is there an acified bg minimap? |
| 12:48.17 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r16489 10BugSack/BugSack.toc: BugSack: Added X-RelSite-WoWI and X-AceForum tags. |
| 12:50.12 | CIA-17 | 03joshborke * r16490 10GuildBook/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:50.12 | CIA-17 | GuildBook: |
| 12:50.13 | CIA-17 | - added new pushed textures to the arrows |
| 12:53.19 | CIA-17 | 03jerry * r16491 10CooldownCount/ (CooldownCount.toc Locale.fr.lua): CooldownCount : Added french translation |
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| 12:55.43 | vhaarr | :P |
| 12:55.55 | MoonWolf | bad MoonWolf , bad MoonWolf , bad moonwolf |
| 12:56.05 | haste | MoonWolf: tek will eat you now |
| 12:56.13 | MoonWolf | nah |
| 12:56.15 | MoonWolf | changed the pw |
| 12:56.36 | snurre | :p |
| 12:56.37 | FtH|eagle | is there an easy way in the svn to undo changes done to a file? |
| 12:57.36 | andremar | FtH|eagle: svn revert? |
| 12:57.55 | FtH|eagle | sure, that works locally, and how do I commit that then? |
| 12:58.16 | FtH|eagle | someone messed up one of my files, and I have to revert it to the previous version |
| 13:00.47 | andremar | svn log | head |
| 13:00.53 | andremar | svn update -r <good file> |
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| 13:01.51 | FtH|eagle | And how to commit? Tortoise doesn't give me an option. |
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| 13:03.30 | kebinusan | FtH|eagle: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/What_is_the_SVN%3F |
| 13:03.40 | AKX | zoktar, are you around? |
| 13:04.01 | FtH|eagle | Oh come on guys, I asked a specific question, I know how to work with svn |
| 13:04.16 | AKX | FtH|eagle, to commit, just right-click on the file and SVN Commit? |
| 13:04.16 | Mikma | yo |
| 13:04.19 | Mikma | waddup? |
| 13:04.23 | FtH|eagle | AKX: no |
| 13:04.32 | AKX | Then it doesn't recognize it as a working copy |
| 13:04.35 | FtH|eagle | Okay, I'll try to explain again: |
| 13:04.44 | FtH|eagle | Someone made changes to one of my files, but that was crap |
| 13:04.51 | FtH|eagle | and I want to revert those things on the svn |
| 13:05.15 | FtH|eagle | I can update to a specific revision locally, but tortoise doesn't give me an option to commit that |
| 13:05.47 | Fritti | you can't |
| 13:05.52 | Fritti | you need to unmerge those changes |
| 13:05.55 | Fritti | by doing a reverse merge |
| 13:06.05 | FtH|eagle | Alright, that's what I wanted to hear |
| 13:06.07 | FtH|eagle | thanks |
| 13:06.22 | FtH|eagle | I thought there is already a mechanism to undo changes |
| 13:06.24 | Fritti | ie do svn merge -rROTTENREVISION:PREVGOODREVISION |
| 13:06.35 | Fritti | it'll back out the changes, and then you can commit |
| 13:06.48 | Fritti | maybe tortoise has a GUI for it, I don't know |
| 13:06.59 | FtH|eagle | for merging? sure |
| 13:07.11 | Fritti | yes of course, but a specific one for backing out |
| 13:07.28 | FtH|eagle | not that I know of |
| 13:08.42 | FtH|eagle | perfect, that worked :) |
| 13:10.14 | JoshBorke | morning |
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| 13:11.49 | Mikma | nevcairiel: so what shall we do? abandon BTx and just use trinity buttons? :D |
| 13:12.25 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 13:13.24 | Mikma | i really don't have idea/interest on how to fix bt2/3 for BC |
| 13:13.30 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 13:15.05 | JoshBorke | is it possible to do everything you want with BT in BC? |
| 13:15.53 | Mikma | don't know |
| 13:20.48 | Fritti | hmm, I didn't know about Trinity |
| 13:20.52 | Fritti | looks quite cool |
| 13:21.16 | Mikma | atleast it works for somw way |
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| 13:22.29 | andremar | Mikma: whats wrong in BT for tbc? |
| 13:22.48 | Mikma | andremar: stanceswap is broken and i don't know how to code with securestate etc |
| 13:22.59 | andremar | what does stanceswap do? |
| 13:23.02 | Mikma | works perfectly for non-stance-peeps |
| 13:23.17 | Mikma | andremar: change actionbar matching the stance/shapeshift |
| 13:23.26 | andremar | isnt that something wow does by itself? |
| 13:23.36 | Mikma | yes but it uses another frame |
| 13:23.40 | Mikma | BonusActionBarFrame |
| 13:23.47 | Mikma | that will pop up when you shapeshift |
| 13:23.58 | Fritti | Mikma: why don't you use that frame in BT2 then? |
| 13:24.07 | Fritti | haven't looked at your code in a while |
| 13:24.19 | Mikma | because you can't hide/show buttons in combat |
| 13:24.22 | Mikma | or move them |
| 13:24.57 | Fritti | isn't that the whole point of wow 2.0 ? |
| 13:25.06 | Mikma | apparently |
| 13:25.10 | andremar | but whats wrong with the bonsu action bar frame? |
| 13:25.14 | andremar | is it the same for all stances? |
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| 13:25.31 | Mikma | that also means you can't hide/show the buttons you need to swap when char changes stance/shape |
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| 13:26.18 | phyber | don't you just control the frame and blizzard puts the buttons into it? |
| 13:26.23 | Mikma | the only thing you can actually do to them in combat is SetAlpha |
| 13:26.24 | phyber | I mean, how does blizzard make it work then? |
| 13:26.31 | Fritti | Mikma: but you don't need to hide/show buttons |
| 13:26.39 | Fritti | you just need to tell the buttons to swap along with the stances |
| 13:26.42 | Fritti | like Blizz does now |
| 13:26.57 | Mikma | i have no idea how that goes. that's the problem. |
| 13:27.18 | Fritti | well actually why do you need to know? just reposition the parent frame and it'll work? |
| 13:27.21 | _icetrain | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5508 |
| 13:27.25 | _icetrain | maybe that can help |
| 13:28.09 | CIA-17 | 03mikma 07Nevcairiel * r16492 10DreamChat/DreamChat/Messaging.lua: DreamChat: added ':' after every text. like 'System: Welcome to World of Warcraft' or 'Party: [foo] bar' |
| 13:28.21 | Mikma | _icetrain: nope, it doesn't. |
| 13:28.37 | Mikma | that only makes the 4-5 button chars use to change stance/shape |
| 13:29.06 | _icetrain | ah, misread it then :) |
| 13:29.28 | Mikma | _icetrain: no you just thought it does what you first thought really... i thought about the same when i saw it |
| 13:29.35 | Mikma | but disappointed when i tried it |
| 13:32.20 | Fritti | Mikma: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5528-.html#cmnt16301 |
| 13:32.25 | Fritti | cogwheel explains |
| 13:32.25 | JoshBorke | i'm sure you can figure out the StanceDanceHeader :-) |
| 13:32.49 | Mery | well those buttons perform an action based on the current stance isn't that exactly what you want? |
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| 13:35.46 | Mikma | JoshBorke: i'm sure i don't :) |
| 13:37.45 | Mikma | atleast the function to check the correct stance works |
| 13:37.47 | Mikma | that's a good thing |
| 13:38.06 | Mikma | now i need to figure how to replace the Buttons in Bar1 with the correct buttons of the stance |
| 13:38.21 | sbu | WTB BETA KEY :/ |
| 13:40.44 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16493 10FuBar_SWStats2Fu/ (Adapters/swstats.lua FuBar_SWStats2Fu.toc SWStatsFu.lua): FuBar_SWStats2Fu: added support for setting the subject of the current detail report in sw stats to your target |
| 13:41.26 | sylvanaar | script is messed up i think |
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| 13:42.32 | sylvanaar | Theres an addon on ui.wow that does it |
| 13:42.37 | sylvanaar | druid stances |
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| 13:42.54 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: you know what'd be neat. a pie graph showing which classes are doing the most dps/hps |
| 13:43.52 | Fritti | Mikma: totally drycoded but maybe you can work from this: http://ace.pastey.net/2285 |
| 13:44.00 | Fritti | that's what Cogwheel is saying should work I guess |
| 13:44.05 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: yep i agree |
| 13:44.07 | Jens | I want a mod that flashes tubgirl at specified people at raid leaders command. |
| 13:44.39 | Fritti | it needs some SetPoints etc otherwise you don't see anything on the screen |
| 13:44.54 | sylvanaar | I thought about putting my "care meter" into the fubar plugin as a gag but changed my mind |
| 13:45.04 | Jens | Care meter? |
| 13:45.43 | sylvanaar | 0.......|........................10 |
| 13:45.55 | Mikma | Fritti: i still have no idea what it does :D |
| 13:46.16 | Fritti | keep in mind that I can't test this right now, but |
| 13:46.41 | Fritti | first you create a secure parnet frame that reacts to the stance changes (inherits from SecureStanceDriverTemplate) |
| 13:46.51 | Fritti | then you specify which stance leads to what state |
| 13:46.59 | sylvanaar | its meant as humor, kinda like a forum post 2/10 |
| 13:47.01 | Fritti | (next 2 lines) |
| 13:47.13 | Fritti | then you create a new button using the secure templates |
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| 13:47.17 | Fritti | and add it to the parent |
| 13:47.30 | Fritti | tell it to use the parent's state (because that changes with stance) |
| 13:47.42 | Fritti | and finally say 'behave like a button with ID 1 in stance 0' |
| 13:47.48 | CIA-17 | 03mikma 07Bartender3 * r16495 10Bartender3/ (7 files): Bartender3: stancecheck still works |
| 13:47.49 | Fritti | 'behave like a button with ID 13 in stance 1' |
| 13:47.49 | Fritti | etc |
| 13:48.21 | Mikma | mmkay, will have another look now |
| 13:48.36 | Fritti | oh I missed something Cogwheel says, you also need to "call ActionButton_Update() in its OnAttributeChanged script" |
| 13:48.41 | Fritti | for the button |
| 13:49.14 | Mikma | let's see does tinypad to the trick |
| 13:52.15 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16496 10FuBar_SWStats2Fu/ (. FuBar_SWStats2Fu.toc): FuBar_SWStats2Fu: Im in your SVN, updating your externals... |
| 13:52.31 | Fritti | I added line 6 now (reload the pastey) |
| 13:53.44 | AKX | Right, KTMFu written |
| 13:55.33 | Mikma | Fritti: ok. almost. the first line needs UIParent before Secure-thing |
| 13:55.38 | Fritti | ah ofc |
| 13:55.38 | Mikma | but now the line 5 is giving problems |
| 13:55.52 | zoktar | whut |
| 13:55.53 | Fritti | same thing I guess? |
| 13:55.55 | zoktar | wheres ktmfu ? =P |
| 13:56.03 | AKX | zoktar, just wrote it :D |
| 13:56.07 | zoktar | sweet |
| 13:56.14 | AKX | i can upload it, standard disclaimers (=won't work, no support) included |
| 13:56.24 | Mikma | Fritti: no error now :) |
| 13:56.27 | zoktar | long as it doesnt wipe my harddrive :) |
| 13:56.28 | Fritti | right :) |
| 13:56.41 | Fritti | now insert some code to display the parent & the button |
| 13:56.46 | Mikma | Fritti: http://ace.pastey.net/2286 |
| 13:57.08 | Fritti | right |
| 13:57.20 | Laric | Mi|es_ there? |
| 13:57.41 | Fritti | Mikma: also see the text under 'STATES' at the top of http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2016082/FrameXML/SecureStateHeader.lua |
| 13:57.45 | Laric | ~seen Mi|es_ |
| 13:58.08 | purl | mi|es_ is currently on #wowace (1d 1h 32m 13s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 14h 50m 10s, last said: 'only managed to capture one bar while fading. the effect is pretty neat'. |
| 13:58.08 | zoktar | i was thinking of using that fubar custum menu addon just to not have a macro of ktm guishow |
| 13:59.18 | Mikma | Fritti: now i need to realize how to show the damn button if it does exist :P |
| 13:59.23 | CIA-17 | 03moonsorrow * r16497 10GotWood/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 13:59.23 | CIA-17 | GotWood: |
| 13:59.23 | CIA-17 | - reverted some changes from the korean guy |
| 13:59.23 | CIA-17 | - added ger localization |
| 13:59.23 | CIA-17 | - added debug messages and lib |
| 13:59.26 | AKX | zoktar, uploading to ui.worldofwar.net |
| 14:00.05 | AKX | zoktar, since itll take a while before it's there, here's another link: http://up.servut.us/dl/1544 |
| 14:00.30 | AKX | good luck :D |
| 14:01.05 | Mikma | Fritti: i tried BT2StanceBar and BT2StanceButton1 :Show() :ClearAllPoints() :SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER") :P |
| 14:01.28 | Fritti | but it doesn't have a width / height |
| 14:01.41 | Mikma | awww |
| 14:02.05 | Fritti | add button1:SetHeight(100) button1:SetWidth(100) before the SetPoint |
| 14:02.12 | AKX | big-ass button, that :D |
| 14:02.14 | Fritti | I *think* it'll work but I'm not that good with UI either :) |
| 14:02.17 | Fritti | yep :) |
| 14:02.25 | Mikma | hehe |
| 14:03.17 | zoktar | restarin wow |
| 14:03.25 | Mikma | hmm no, nothing showing |
| 14:03.41 | Fritti | you need to show the parent as well of course |
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| 14:03.54 | Mikma | well i did |
| 14:03.55 | Fritti | oh you did |
| 14:03.57 | Fritti | *nod* |
| 14:04.01 | Fritti | hmm |
| 14:04.05 | Fritti | stupid thing to get stuck on :) |
| 14:04.18 | Mikma | oh wait |
| 14:04.20 | Mikma | testing one thing |
| 14:06.45 | Mikma | hmm nope |
| 14:07.47 | navv | oh when did this SecureStateHeader come into play |
| 14:07.51 | navv | pretty powerful stuff |
| 14:07.53 | Fritti | 2.0.0 |
| 14:08.00 | navv | yeah but to beta, latest patch? |
| 14:08.04 | Fritti | think so |
| 14:08.10 | Fritti | not sure, I just got in :) |
| 14:09.07 | zoktar | AKX how bout show hide gui on click :P |
| 14:09.20 | AKX | planned that, got bored. deal with it. :D |
| 14:09.27 | zoktar | heh k :) |
| 14:09.35 | zoktar | does it work thos show ur threat rank? |
| 14:09.51 | AKX | yes, right-click for menu :P |
| 14:09.55 | zoktar | kewl |
| 14:10.18 | JoshBorke | navv: it's been in for a few patches |
| 14:10.39 | zoktar | any idea why channels tab dissaperas when u create new chat windows and join channels etc ? |
| 14:10.59 | Trill | anyone know of someone who works at blizzard? |
| 14:11.14 | zoktar | donno whats causingit but after a bit of creating windows selecting channels, the cchannels tab for selecting channels just breaks |
| 14:11.18 | Trill | i have some guy telling me he works for blizzard at the alaska office hahaha |
| 14:11.37 | zoktar | ah the alaska offie |
| 14:11.48 | zoktar | where night never comes |
| 14:11.51 | JoshBorke | tell him congrats. now what does he want? |
| 14:12.06 | Trill | he is a guildie who seems to always have bad information |
| 14:12.14 | Trill | but says he is a manager for the programming dept at blizzard |
| 14:12.28 | Trill | but didn't know which weapon would be best for a Twink lvl 19 rogue |
| 14:12.34 | Trill | hehe |
| 14:12.49 | Trill | and can't answer LUA questions or generally do any programming |
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| 14:16.03 | andremar | beeing a manager doesnt imply knowing anything about coding though |
| 14:16.24 | andremar | or thats atleast my experience |
| 14:16.40 | Azurewrath | being a manager doesn't imply knowing anything ;) |
| 14:17.15 | Trill | true, but i have also never heard of an office in Alaska |
| 14:17.15 | Trill | cannot find anything on searches |
| 14:17.44 | Trill | i would *imagine* that if he was a manager for Blzz for WoW, he would be in Cali at headquarters with the rest of the staff |
| 14:17.46 | Trill | but who knows |
| 14:22.38 | Mikma | Fritti: anyway, doesn't work :) |
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| 14:25.41 | sylvanaar | heh that sucks |
| 14:26.18 | CIA-17 | 03jerry 07jerry * r16498 10FuBar_FuXPFu/: FuBar_FuXPFu (jerry's branch) : created folder |
| 14:27.32 | CIA-17 | 03jerry 07jerry * r16499 10FuBar_FuXPFu/FuBar_FuXPFu/: FuBar_FuXPFu (jerry's branch) : Creating branch |
| 14:27.34 | sylvanaar | blizz is totally selling people less and calling it more with the ui changes - quite crafty |
| 14:28.10 | Mikma | well the actionbuttoncrap is a big change |
| 14:28.25 | Mikma | some love it i hate it because it's too hard for me :) |
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| 14:28.56 | sylvanaar | yeah - they took away your ability to do it yourself, and implemented some common functionality |
| 14:29.52 | Mikma | no matter how hard i click the fucking "run page" button, the actionbutton doesn't appear |
| 14:30.09 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 14:30.32 | Mikma | i really, REALLY don't like this at all |
| 14:30.41 | sylvanaar | did you run that one thats on ui.wow |
| 14:30.54 | Mikma | getting the actionbars to work was a bitch in 1.12 and now i have to do it in 2.0 |
| 14:32.06 | sylvanaar | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3452 |
| 14:32.20 | zoktar | is there a fubar that replaces the micromenu bar ? =P |
| 14:33.05 | sylvanaar | in tbc? |
| 14:33.36 | odt | zoktar: you can have the micromenu in fubar, if you mean that |
| 14:33.44 | zoktar | how? |
| 14:34.02 | odt | http://wowace.com/files/index.php?path=FuBar_MicroMenuFu/ |
| 14:34.06 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 14:34.57 | odt | i haven't had the micromenu visible for over a year |
| 14:35.05 | odt | i |
| 14:35.44 | odt | i guess it's needed to access the gm ticket system |
| 14:36.03 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: got the pie graph written yet? ^_^ |
| 14:36.20 | Mikma | i don't understand why can't we use the existing buttons to change the actions when shapeshifting/stanceswapping |
| 14:37.04 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: haha no |
| 14:38.09 | odt | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=80869960&sid=1 |
| 14:38.14 | odt | dno, if it's old or not |
| 14:38.26 | odt | TBC street date january 16th 2007 |
| 14:39.45 | zoktar | i got a fubar question, u can choose the width between text n stuff in fubar, i have 1 bar top and one bottom, however it only applys to the topbar? |
| 14:39.48 | CIA-17 | 03jerry 07jerry * r16500 10FuBar_FuXPFu/FuBar_FuXPFu/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:39.48 | CIA-17 | FuBar_FuXPFu (jerry's branch) : |
| 14:39.48 | CIA-17 | - removed a lot of references to FuXP, replaced by self. |
| 14:39.48 | CIA-17 | _ changed the way Watched faction is handled internally. |
| 14:39.49 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.49 | CIA-17 | _ changed the way the different bar widths are calculated. |
| 14:39.49 | Mikma | lol 69.99e CE .. |
| 14:39.51 | CIA-17 | _ the FactionTable is now composted, which greatly reduces |
| 14:39.52 | Mikma | thanks no thanks |
| 14:40.04 | haste | why does Jerry suck at doing the commit messages |
| 14:40.23 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: im trying to work out if i can do it by stacking a number of textures = # of data points |
| 14:40.34 | haste | The careface! |
| 14:40.41 | Mikma | bahaa |
| 14:40.44 | sylvanaar | 0.......|........................10 |
| 14:40.51 | Mikma | page 2 |
| 14:41.02 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 14:41.45 | Mikma | I HATE blizzard and I HATE TBC. I also HATE ACTIONBARS! |
| 14:42.05 | sylvanaar | 0..............................|.10 |
| 14:42.27 | zoktar | ah nm it works, its just the itembonusesfu that doesn wanna respace within itself |
| 14:42.46 | Mikma | freaking bastards |
| 14:43.01 | Mikma | i DON'T want to cerate new buttons. i want to use the EXISTING ones |
| 14:43.23 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: what do you mean? # of data points? |
| 14:43.46 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: # of classes |
| 14:44.31 | Mikma | fuck this |
| 14:44.36 | Mikma | not doing it, have fun |
| 14:45.32 | sylvanaar | lol, im sure the test server will be up soon |
| 14:45.43 | Mikma | it's up already |
| 14:45.51 | Mikma | atleast i'm in (eu) |
| 14:45.57 | Laric | the euro test server has been up all day |
| 14:46.19 | sylvanaar | well la dee dah |
| 14:46.19 | zoktar | just need to find where the spacings set in the itenbonusesfu.lua |
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| 14:46.54 | Laric | I think omnicc taints the actionbars somehow :( |
| 14:46.56 | sylvanaar | huh why? |
| 14:47.25 | usz | does table.getn still work in TBC? |
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| 14:47.43 | usz | and string.gfind? |
| 14:48.00 | Laric | sylvanaar was that "huh why?" to me? |
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| 14:48.38 | Mikma | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1837.msg58790#msg58790 |
| 14:49.20 | thalie | nooooooooo |
| 14:49.51 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: so you're saying have 1-6 textures that fill in a circle? |
| 14:50.21 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: yeah |
| 14:50.54 | JoshBorke | are you using Iriel's statrings code? |
| 14:52.07 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: im just thinking of what the cheapest way to do it is |
| 14:53.11 | JoshBorke | i'm thinking for a pie graph, that's the only way. i remember a few months back people were talking about how to draw a circle at all :-D |
| 14:53.21 | JoshBorke | you might want to talk to cide, he worked on creating a pie graph |
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| 15:00.45 | abbat-w | huh Mikma |
| 15:00.52 | Fritti | Mikma: I'm planning to work on AckBar tomorrow |
| 15:00.58 | Fritti | and I'll probably run into the same issues |
| 15:01.04 | Fritti | I'll keep you up to date :) |
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| 15:02.17 | Mikma | Fritti: well have fun :P |
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| 15:02.31 | Mikma | Fritti: i don't wan't to create new buttons to do the thing Bartender2 did |
| 15:02.44 | andremar | what seperates ackbar from bartender? |
| 15:02.45 | Mikma | i would like to be able to swap the buttons blizz provides |
| 15:02.52 | Fritti | andremar: not that much :) |
| 15:03.01 | Fritti | Mikma & I had the same idea, I just didn't know about Bartender1 |
| 15:03.10 | andremar | ok |
| 15:04.34 | Mikma | Fritti: you use buttons you create, bartender uses buttons provided by blizz |
| 15:05.31 | Mikma | if someone manages to do the buttonswap with defaultbuttons i'll put it in Bartender2/3 :P |
| 15:06.07 | Fritti | Mikma: I only create buttons for bar 2..6 |
| 15:06.09 | Fritti | I reuse bar 1 |
| 15:06.17 | Fritti | and the pet & stance bars |
| 15:06.26 | Fritti | which is probably why stance swapping "mostly" works in AckBar TBC |
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| 15:09.04 | Mikma | mostly works? |
| 15:09.16 | JoshBorke | Mikma: can you SetAttribute on Blizzard buttons? |
| 15:09.22 | Mikma | JoshBorke: i have no idea |
| 15:09.22 | Fritti | something about stealth & rogues doesn't seem to work according to posts ont he forum |
| 15:09.29 | Mikma | i tried that but wasn't able to get it to work |
| 15:10.05 | JoshBorke | Mikma: (i don't have TBC account so I can't be toooooo much help, but) can you pastecode what you've tried? |
| 15:10.38 | Mikma | JoshBorke: sure, but not now |
| 15:10.44 | JoshBorke | ko |
| 15:11.01 | Mikma | trying to exploit WoW 1.12 |
| 15:12.21 | thalie | is someone's svn server effed up? im getting propfind errors when trying to update :( |
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| 15:14.42 | JoshBorke | mine is! but i don't know if i'm in rotation |
| 15:14.43 | JoshBorke | try now |
| 15:14.51 | JoshBorke | er, not now |
| 15:14.54 | abbat-w | http://www.blizzard.co.uk/press/061109.shtml |
| 15:14.55 | JoshBorke | i've got a few to catch up on |
| 15:15.00 | thalie | still getting : |
| 15:15.00 | thalie | Error: PROPFIND request failed on '/wowace/!svn/bln/16500' |
| 15:15.15 | abbat-w | it's about two month to release |
| 15:15.25 | thalie | since it is sporadic i reckon it's someone's server |
| 15:17.12 | nevcairiel | hello |
| 15:17.19 | thalie | hey nev |
| 15:17.33 | JoshBorke | ciao |
| 15:18.05 | nevcairiel | Mikma: boo! |
| 15:18.11 | Mikma | nevcairiel: iip! wassup honey |
| 15:18.33 | nevcairiel | i dont understand what you changed in bt3 recently :) |
| 15:19.18 | Mikma | nevcairiel: just added the stance/shapeshift check in |
| 15:19.43 | nevcairiel | and i had an idea during my analysis class today, maybe it will work on bt3 |
| 15:20.12 | Mikma | well i thought if there is a way of SetAttribute the original buttons... but not sure |
| 15:20.50 | nevcairiel | thats a part of it |
| 15:20.50 | CIA-17 | 03drathos * r16502 10FuBar_ReagentFu/: |
| 15:20.50 | CIA-17 | FuBar_ReagentFu: |
| 15:20.50 | CIA-17 | -Forgot to remove AceConsole from externals |
| 15:20.52 | nevcairiel | wait and hope |
| 15:20.53 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 15:21.09 | Mikma | indeed |
| 15:21.22 | andremar | but arent you basicly truing to work around the secure stuff? |
| 15:21.31 | andremar | in effect making the whole concept void? |
| 15:21.36 | Mikma | no |
| 15:21.44 | nevcairiel | you cant work around secure stuff, thats what its for |
| 15:21.47 | Mikma | we are trying to make the secure-crap work with the default bars |
| 15:21.50 | nevcairiel | you have to work with secure stuff |
| 15:22.06 | andremar | ok |
| 15:22.06 | Mikma | A. Blizzard is a bitch |
| 15:22.23 | Mikma | B. A uses BonusActionBarFrame for it's buttons |
| 15:23.28 | andremar | But whats wrong with BonusActionBarFrame? |
| 15:23.55 | Mikma | i'm too tired to explain it :P |
| 15:23.58 | andremar | ok |
| 15:24.02 | andremar | fair enough |
| 15:24.38 | Mikma | let's just say that you should look through the code BT2 uses |
| 15:24.42 | Mikma | then you know the problem |
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| 15:27.29 | JoshBorke | i'm just curious. why are you so opposed to creating your own buttons? |
| 15:28.08 | Mikma | because it's fucking pointless really |
| 15:28.08 | nevcairiel | he always was :) |
| 15:28.22 | nevcairiel | with the new system its easier and less hackish |
| 15:28.23 | Mikma | why create new buttons while there's still old buttons that the game creates? |
| 15:28.49 | nevcairiel | anyway, gimme some minutes maybe i can make it work |
| 15:28.56 | Mikma | sure |
| 15:29.02 | Mikma | i already digged a grave and buried it |
| 15:31.17 | kaiden | Mikma, were you able to get your steel texture working last night? |
| 15:31.35 | Mikma | kaiden: nope |
| 15:31.56 | kaiden | Mikma, i can show you how if you want |
| 15:33.49 | kaiden | Mikma, go into ag_UnitFrames.lua and ag_DropdownMenu.lua and do a text search on BantoBar .. then just hack in the Steel.tga there |
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| 15:34.05 | kaiden | that will give you access to it from the bar style dropdown |
| 15:35.01 | Mikma | kaiden: i did that. but the layout is different. it's not just the texture |
| 15:36.02 | Fritti | creating your own buttons is a waste of resources really, the blizz buttons are there anyway. I agree with Mikma on that part. I copped out in AckBar because I didn't want to deal with the mess that is the 'multi action bar' Blizzard system. |
| 15:36.24 | kaiden | Mikma, that's easy to fix, use the ABF layout turn on the portraits |
| 15:36.27 | Mikma | Fritti: hence the aliases i made :) |
| 15:36.33 | kaiden | and make sure to use the NORMAL border |
| 15:36.37 | kaiden | currently it's using HIDDEN |
| 15:36.44 | Mikma | kaiden: the rounded statusbars... |
| 15:36.45 | kaiden | and then it will look exactly like epoxytbc's :) |
| 15:36.51 | kaiden | that is Steel.tga |
| 15:37.13 | Fritti | Mikma: I was planning to move AckBar back to blizz buttons as well as soon as I got around to disabling the blizzard config things about the 'toprightbottomleft' bars etc |
| 15:37.15 | kaiden | copy it from EpoxyTBC's setup, i've done this for the live version of ag_UF it's really quite easy to duplicate it all |
| 15:37.24 | Mikma | Fritti: http://ace.agamemnon.net/wowace/trunk/Bartender2/Alias.lua |
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| 15:38.00 | Mikma | Fritti: and the thing is that alias.lua can be used in any other addon too ;) |
| 15:38.05 | Fritti | I know |
| 15:38.15 | Mikma | the "Bar1Button1" doesn't mean Bartender |
| 15:38.18 | Fritti | I'm just wondering how smart lua is with all those globals |
| 15:38.29 | Fritti | I guess it's just an alias -> not that much memory extra |
| 15:39.03 | Fritti | but what happens in BT2 1.12 when you check the 'bottomright' blizz action bar? |
| 15:39.24 | kaiden | Mikma, also to your stanceswapping comment, doesn't blizzard already allow you to show/hide frames in combat? |
| 15:39.25 | Mikma | Fritti: you see the buttons lol |
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| 15:39.35 | Mikma | kaiden: nope |
| 15:39.49 | kaiden | hrm, then how are these other addons doing stance swapping? |
| 15:39.53 | kaiden | like Trinity Buttons |
| 15:40.05 | Mikma | Fritti: the bars ain't synced in the interface options, that's why i did "enable all bars" for Bartender2 |
| 15:40.17 | JoshBorke | kaiden: they are creating their own frames |
| 15:40.23 | Mikma | kaiden: trinity creates own frame and buttons |
| 15:40.32 | kaiden | ah |
| 15:40.33 | Mikma | and uses the ID's of the blizzard buttons |
| 15:40.46 | JoshBorke | kaiden: you can create frames and buttons as children of StanceDanceHeaders (my own name) that can show/hide based on conditions |
| 15:41.15 | kaiden | hrmph, well i never paid it much thought, i recently started using Trinity Buttons just to see what all the hubub was about |
| 15:41.17 | kaiden | and i quite like it |
| 15:41.32 | kaiden | nothing compared to BT2 + cyCircled though! :) |
| 15:41.48 | JoshBorke | i just want something that lets me curve my buttons slightly :-( |
| 15:42.18 | kaiden | JoshBorke, well i spoke to the creator of Trinity Buttons and he's adding all manner of button styles |
| 15:42.52 | Fritti | the screenshots of trinity are a+ |
| 15:42.57 | Fritti | the code is 1700 lines of lua... |
| 15:42.57 | kaiden | to where you can not only change the look of your button like cyCircled does but also the layout of the buttons like he currently does he is adding alot more |
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| 15:43.23 | Fritti | not to mention *raw* lua which means it'll probably have some details wrong that Ace libs tend to hide from you |
| 15:43.41 | kaiden | isn't it his first mod? |
| 15:43.45 | JoshBorke | what do you mean by raw lua? |
| 15:43.46 | Fritti | dunno |
| 15:43.54 | Mikma | oh i also hate .xml too |
| 15:43.55 | Fritti | JoshBorke: no libraries / dependencies at all |
| 15:43.56 | kaiden | JoshBorke, he has it all shoved into 1 lua |
| 15:43.58 | kaiden | :) |
| 15:44.19 | Fritti | hooking functions by 'oldfunc = BlizzFunc ; BlizzFunc = myfunc' etc |
| 15:45.08 | kaiden | i think the way he does keybindings is completely rad, love it |
| 15:45.16 | Fritti | how's that then? |
| 15:45.35 | Mikma | Fritti: click and bind, click and bind |
| 15:45.36 | kaiden | it's all on the fly, you hit a button then hover over each of your buttons and set the keybinding right there |
| 15:45.46 | kaiden | no you only have to click once to turn on the bindings option |
| 15:46.03 | kaiden | then you just mouse over each button and press the keybinding |
| 15:46.07 | Fritti | nice |
| 15:46.11 | Fritti | cool feature indeed |
| 15:46.12 | Mikma | oh yeah, mouseover and bind mouseover and bind |
| 15:46.42 | kaiden | Fritti, yeah it's the first time i've seen a bar mod do it that way, though i haven't seen a ton of bar mods |
| 15:46.43 | Fritti | and from the screenshot I like the draggable frames, circled bars, etc |
| 15:47.05 | Fritti | I hope I can imitate some of that stuff sometime :) |
| 15:47.50 | kaiden | i just hope he took my suggestions to heart and really will add the graphics of cyCircled as button texture options |
| 15:47.57 | Xuerian | 'yall just gonna babble on about it or do I get a link? |
| 15:48.03 | kaiden | or cyCircled will modify his addon to work with trinity buttons |
| 15:48.06 | JoshBorke | gonna babble on |
| 15:48.07 | Fritti | search for trinity on WoWi Xuerian |
| 15:48.08 | Mikma | but then again it creates it's own buttons. |
| 15:48.20 | Fritti | oh I have it open, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5528-.html |
| 15:48.40 | thalie | trinity, the barmod where you have to remove all buttons from the bar before it hides? :) |
| 15:48.55 | Xuerian | Danka :p |
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| 15:49.04 | JoshBorke | s/ka/ke/ ;-) |
| 15:49.31 | JoshBorke | ~trinitybuttons |
| 15:49.32 | purl | [trinitybuttons] http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5528-.html |
| 15:49.50 | kaiden | thalie, yes that is a bit annoying but considering he's only been working on it for a very short amount of times.. it's expected |
| 15:49.59 | kaiden | give it time for him to get his bearings |
| 15:50.15 | JoshBorke | in 2.0, are the events still fired with arg1-n being global variables? |
| 15:50.20 | Mikma | after all, rome wasn't build in a day |
| 15:50.41 | kaiden | Mikma, but it fell in 1 ;) |
| 15:50.52 | Fritti | it does look interesting to say the least |
| 15:50.55 | thalie | yep i know kaiden ... |
| 15:51.55 | kaiden | the most annoying thing about trinity buttons is when you are removing buttons or resizing constantly having to move your mouse |
| 15:52.17 | kaiden | but that's an evil by design so it's stomachable |
| 15:52.43 | thalie | i'm not in tbc so i can't really comment on bar mods in it... am still holding out hope for bar3 ;) |
| 15:53.05 | kaiden | thalie, beat mikma up then until he changes his mind |
| 15:53.19 | thalie | haha |
| 15:53.50 | nevcairiel | Mikma: i seem to be doing it right, but it refuses to work on BT |
| 15:54.24 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: pastecode your code! |
| 15:55.16 | nevcairiel | it relys on the button being setup as a secure button with the attributes specifying everything |
| 15:55.24 | nevcairiel | but i guess blizz buttons dont work that way |
| 15:55.57 | JoshBorke | bug slouken about it? |
| 15:56.20 | nevcairiel | i cant |
| 15:56.35 | nevcairiel | and i am not that big supporter of reusing either =D |
| 15:56.48 | kaiden | what does he hit evasion when you post on the forums? :) |
| 15:57.21 | nevcairiel | i simply cant post :) |
| 15:57.29 | kaiden | oh brit? |
| 15:57.29 | nevcairiel | well, on beta i could |
| 15:57.38 | nevcairiel | german, actually |
| 15:57.48 | kaiden | ;) |
| 15:58.01 | Industrial | haste: ping |
| 15:58.26 | phyber | ~seen Neriak |
| 15:58.42 | purl | neriak <n=diz@dslb-084-059-056-074.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 21h 15m 4s ago, saying: 'ok, the Quixote lib in FuBar_QuestsFu on SVN isn't the actual Quixote lib'. |
| 15:59.01 | Mikma | nevcairiel: lederhosen. |
| 15:59.50 | Mikma | nevcairiel: /join wowi-lounge and bug iriel :D |
| 16:00.11 | JoshBorke | OH! so THAT's how weak-tables work! |
| 16:00.45 | haste | Industrial: pong |
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| 16:09.41 | Xuerian | JoshBorke: Huh? |
| 16:10.34 | JoshBorke | i learned about weak tables today. i can't think of a good application for them, but at lesat i know how they work now |
| 16:11.53 | nevcairiel | enlighten us |
| 16:12.39 | Mikma | nevcairiel: you feel like punching BT3 underground too? :) |
| 16:13.06 | nevcairiel | what? |
| 16:13.11 | Xuerian | Do enlighten us :p |
| 16:13.38 | Mikma | nevcairiel: killing it with an shovel? |
| 16:14.05 | Mikma | asssraping it with an axe? |
| 16:14.05 | nevcairiel | i dunno, maybe there is a way, just my attempt how it works on self-generated secure buttons didnt work |
| 16:14.26 | Mikma | well i tried to create new button ... didn't make it either |
| 16:14.44 | nevcairiel | it works with some example 12 button bar i made |
| 16:14.57 | Mikma | and? |
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| 16:15.19 | nevcairiel | same method didnt work for bt |
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| 16:17.45 | Adrine | Mornin', folks |
| 16:17.51 | Mikma | nevcairiel: well how about if we create only 12 buttons? |
| 16:18.04 | Adrine | Quick question to throw out there: Can I call CreateFrame("FontStrong" ... ) ? |
| 16:18.04 | Mikma | nevcairiel: only the Bar1 buttons that are default and stancebuttons |
| 16:18.32 | Industrial | Frame:CreateFontString() |
| 16:18.38 | Mikma | i'd still like to know is it possible to reuse the blizz-buttons :P |
| 16:18.41 | Adrine | Ooh, great. Does that work for Texture, too? |
| 16:18.45 | Industrial | yes |
| 16:18.50 | Adrine | Excellent. |
| 16:18.53 | Industrial | :) |
| 16:19.15 | JoshBorke | it just means that the next garbage collection will remove all entries that are 'weak'ly referenced. |
| 16:19.25 | JoshBorke | morning Adrine |
| 16:19.51 | JoshBorke | examlpse they listed were to give names to all objects in the global table for printing them out |
| 16:21.20 | JoshBorke | but i can't think of any uses for it for me |
| 16:22.57 | Mikma | nevcairiel: BonusActionButton1:SetPoint(same as ActionButton1) and SetAlpha and SetFrameLevel :P |
| 16:23.09 | Mikma | nevcairiel: dirty, quick hack |
| 16:23.28 | nevcairiel | that works perfectly even in combat? |
| 16:23.42 | Mikma | SetAlpha works in combat |
| 16:23.50 | Mikma | not sure about SetFrameLevel tho |
| 16:23.54 | Mikma | haven't tested it yet |
| 16:24.00 | sylvanaar | he 92 downloads in a hour |
| 16:24.04 | Xuerian | I don't think so, that's positioning not appearance |
| 16:24.09 | Xuerian | or I would think not |
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| 16:30.16 | Elkano | I think I'll sone have two more Ace2 addons live: bags_and_merchants and FramesResized ^^ |
| 16:31.09 | phyber | what do they do? |
| 16:31.48 | Xuerian | New item displays and a frame system to handle them? |
| 16:31.49 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 16:32.34 | sylvanaar | how do i get my fubar plugin into the wikki? |
| 16:32.49 | Elkano | phyber, they are both live ase none-ace versions ^^ |
| 16:33.11 | Elkano | bags_and_merchants simply oens/closes all your bags at merchant, mail, trade, ... |
| 16:33.42 | Elkano | FramesResized adds a few additional lines to some default UI frames such as questlog, tradeskills, trainers, loot frame, ... |
| 16:33.44 | phyber | ahh |
| 16:34.04 | Xuerian | Darn |
| 16:34.10 | phyber | Elkano: is ElkBB Ace2 finished yet? :) |
| 16:34.25 | Elkano | far away from being ^^ |
| 16:34.29 | phyber | hehe, ok. |
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| 16:36.20 | Laric | Elkano in the current ebb there is a debug message popping up some times :P |
| 16:37.02 | Elkano | it'S intentional ^^ |
| 16:37.09 | Laric | oki |
| 16:37.44 | Elkano | should only popup on login or when moving the frame/changing anchor |
| 16:39.17 | Elkano | it's a hook of the frame's SetPoint in order to catch the anchor bug... |
| 16:39.17 | Elkano | or is it some other message? |
| 16:39.46 | phyber | I usually get that when I right click something to cancel a buff. |
| 16:42.09 | Silviu- | phyber diod u lock frames ? |
| 16:42.14 | Silviu- | -o |
| 16:42.34 | Xuerian | New thing to stabbity! woo. |
| 16:42.56 | Silviu- | Elkano: and u have time coding Ebb2 ? ;) need separate bars for buffs/debuffs/weapon with different placement :P |
| 16:43.26 | usz | sylvanaar, tell me if you find out how you put things on wiki ^^ |
| 16:43.54 | Elkano | well, it seems to be already working on 1.x but lots of features missing. Some require changes to candy I'm still waiting for |
| 16:44.12 | phyber | Silviu-: yeah, they are locked. |
| 16:47.02 | Elkano | phyber, what does the message look like? |
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| 16:53.19 | phyber | Elkano: if it happens later, I'll paste it. :) |
| 16:53.33 | phyber | it's just a debug string with something about SetPointing the position, iirc. |
| 16:54.27 | Elkano | ok, than it is the string I thought of ^^ |
| 16:56.15 | JoshBorke | blasted! weak values don't work with strings! |
| 17:01.13 | Mikma | nevcairiel: did you test the setframelevel in combat? |
| 17:02.13 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:02.25 | nevcairiel | i am not on beta right now |
| 17:02.54 | Mikma | me neither |
| 17:03.19 | nevcairiel | i was trying to drycode some stuff but i fail at that somehow |
| 17:03.27 | Mikma | meh :P |
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| 17:04.44 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar 072.0.5 * r16504 10FuBar_RegenFu/: FuBar_RegenFu: 2.05 |
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| 17:09.26 | Amadeo | Sony has a training website for store employees, telling them to tell their customers that the PS3 CPU is three times more powerful than the Xbox 360 |
| 17:09.29 | Amadeo | lol |
| 17:09.56 | Mikma | so is it? |
| 17:10.13 | Amadeo | no |
| 17:11.20 | nevcairiel | afaik its more powerful, only not that much |
| 17:11.38 | Amadeo | yeah, and its power is in the hands of developers |
| 17:11.38 | Jens | Amadeo: Source? |
| 17:11.44 | Amadeo | I doubt many want to code that much |
| 17:11.54 | Amadeo | http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=11623 |
| 17:12.27 | Jens | This just in. Corporation spreads FUD about competing products. Film at 11. |
| 17:13.13 | Amadeo | Jens: For not being an American, you sure sound like one of us |
| 17:13.14 | Amadeo | haha |
| 17:13.31 | Jens | Blame the Internet :) |
| 17:13.53 | snurre | bump |
| 17:14.00 | Amadeo | first |
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| 17:14.24 | sylvanaar | usz: no i dont know where the add page function it |
| 17:14.39 | Amadeo | Hunters are destroying my Warlock lately |
| 17:14.45 | Jens | Well, I guess I'm just interested in foreign cultures... and stuff. |
| 17:14.46 | Amadeo | I can only pray for a good Fear to last in order to win |
| 17:15.01 | Amadeo | Jens: Nothing wrong with it, just messing with ya |
| 17:15.36 | Jens | Combined with a disdain for most things danish :) |
| 17:15.52 | Amadeo | I *love* danish |
| 17:15.59 | Amadeo | Cheese, Cherry, any types |
| 17:16.34 | Jens | I'm not exactly sure what a danish is, except it's a cake of sorts. |
| 17:16.59 | Jens | Probably what we call "Wienerbrød" here, which comes from german. |
| 17:17.02 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: do you still need wiki help? |
| 17:17.29 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: where do I add my page...thats all i need to know |
| 17:17.46 | JoshBorke | do you have a page made? |
| 17:17.51 | Amadeo | Jens: It's a pastry! not exactly a cake, lets see if I can find a pic |
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| 17:18.13 | sylvanaar | Jens: no |
| 17:18.23 | Jens | No what? |
| 17:18.34 | Amadeo | Jens: http://www.dianasbakery.com/img%5Cgallery%5Cdanish%5Cdanish_cheese.jpg |
| 17:18.35 | Amadeo | there ya go |
| 17:18.36 | Amadeo | haha |
| 17:18.51 | Jens | That is wienerbrød right there. |
| 17:18.51 | sylvanaar | Jens: no i didnt press tab enought to get Josh's name |
| 17:18.56 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: just go to http://www.wowace.com/wiki/<your addon name>/ |
| 17:18.58 | Amadeo | Jens: Yum :) |
| 17:18.59 | Mikma | hmm yay, belt of archmage pattern |
| 17:19.10 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: ok |
| 17:19.21 | Jens | Let's see if they have "brunsviger" on that site. |
| 17:19.49 | Amadeo | Jens: I just used google image to find that one |
| 17:19.58 | JoshBorke | edit that page. then add {{Addon Infobox|{{PAGENAMEE}}}} at the very top |
| 17:20.06 | Jens | Brunsviger is disgutingly good. |
| 17:20.30 | Jens | (insert missing letters where appropriate) |
| 17:20.37 | Amadeo | haha |
| 17:20.45 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: see, that's easy - only there is no page |
| 17:21.04 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: you're creating a new page, right? |
| 17:21.07 | Jens | http://www.arla.dk/appl/HJ/HJ401/HJ401CFG.NSF/RecipeGraphics/220Brunsviger.jpg/$FILE/220Brunsviger.jpg |
| 17:21.18 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: yes |
| 17:21.20 | Jens | This is brunsviger... but not made right. |
| 17:21.25 | Amadeo | Jens: That looks kinda like a coffee cake |
| 17:21.31 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: what's the name of the addon? |
| 17:21.36 | Jens | Needs equal amounts of brown sugery coating and dough. |
| 17:21.49 | Elkano | who is maintaining bugsack? the string coloring funktion should replace | with || |
| 17:21.53 | sylvanaar | Fubar_SWStats2Fu |
| 17:21.56 | Jens | If your hands aren't messy after eating in, demand your money back. |
| 17:22.03 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 17:22.04 | Jens | s/in/one |
| 17:22.30 | JoshBorke | there, created |
| 17:22.39 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: how |
| 17:22.55 | JoshBorke | i clicked the edit button on the page that didn't exist |
| 17:23.04 | JoshBorke | that's all it takes :-) |
| 17:23.05 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: you have admin? |
| 17:23.34 | Adrine | I don't know about WoWAce, but you don't need admin to edit most wikis |
| 17:23.38 | Adrine | You just have to have an account |
| 17:23.42 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: cause there was NOTHING but 404 on my page |
| 17:23.43 | JoshBorke | you don't need admin to edit, just an account |
| 17:23.50 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 17:23.53 | Adrine | Wikis are, by their very nature, publically editable |
| 17:23.54 | JoshBorke | what page are you going to? |
| 17:24.04 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Fubar_SWStats2Fu |
| 17:24.14 | Adrine | Yay, I found the bug that I spent 3 hours banging my head against last night. |
| 17:24.22 | Adrine | Now I just have to go home and test it. In...7 hours. |
| 17:24.23 | sylvanaar | itfealslikehell.com |
| 17:24.28 | Jens | http://jensrex.net/img/Picture.jpg <-- rate this image 1-10. |
| 17:24.39 | Industrial | whos that? |
| 17:24.59 | Industrial | shes hot why Jens |
| 17:25.00 | Industrial | :P |
| 17:25.12 | Jens | She wrote me on random dating site :) |
| 17:25.13 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowace.com/wikki/FuBar_SWStats2Fu |
| 17:25.13 | Industrial | that your gf? |
| 17:25.17 | Industrial | o |
| 17:25.26 | Jens | One day I hope. Working on it :D |
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| 17:25.44 | Industrial | :p |
| 17:25.45 | sylvanaar | screenshot if you dont believe me |
| 17:25.51 | Amadeo | Jens: She's cute, but I can't lie, I'm curious about her eyebrows |
| 17:26.01 | Industrial | lol 404 |
| 17:26.15 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: notice the double kk? |
| 17:26.15 | Jens | Yes... eyebrows... that takes away a point :( |
| 17:26.24 | Amadeo | she draws them in nice though |
| 17:26.35 | Jens | I don't know why women paint their eyebrows on. |
| 17:26.36 | sylvanaar | yeah i see it now |
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| 17:26.57 | Jens | Seems to me it would be easier just to keep them... eh... attached, and forego the painting all together. |
| 17:27.00 | Amadeo | Jens: Everyone has problems or issues, so no big deal, see how it goes :) She looks good |
| 17:27.03 | sylvanaar | i thought it had 2k's |
| 17:27.11 | JoshBorke | negatory, just one :-) |
| 17:27.18 | sylvanaar | im tired |
| 17:27.21 | eternally777 | Hey Cairenn |
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| 17:27.25 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16505 10Paparazzi/ (5 files): |
| 17:27.25 | CIA-17 | Paparazzi: |
| 17:27.25 | CIA-17 | - try to fix Locale-enUS issues |
| 17:27.25 | CIA-17 | - chnaged file names |
| 17:27.25 | CIA-17 | - added some comments |
| 17:27.31 | Industrial | Du skal logge ind for du har adgang til denne funktion. :( |
| 17:27.33 | Amadeo | Jens: My eyebrows are a mess, so I'm not judging or anything :P |
| 17:27.45 | Amadeo | I look like the juiceman, whatever his name was |
| 17:27.45 | Amadeo | haha |
| 17:27.52 | Amadeo | Jay Cordich? (sp) |
| 17:28.05 | Cairenn | morning |
| 17:28.06 | Jens | Industrial: What funktion? |
| 17:28.19 | Industrial | Jens: on the site, I wanted to search |
| 17:28.20 | Industrial | :P |
| 17:28.30 | Industrial | Amadeo: LOL |
| 17:28.32 | Industrial | http://www.biggerideas.com/media/print/juiceman.jpg |
| 17:28.32 | nevcairiel | morning Cairenn |
| 17:28.36 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16506 10Paparazzi/Paparazzi.toc: |
| 17:28.36 | CIA-17 | Paparazzi: |
| 17:28.36 | CIA-17 | - fixed TOC (locals) |
| 17:28.38 | Industrial | lo Cairenn |
| 17:28.42 | Industrial | ahah Amadeo :P |
| 17:28.43 | Xuerian | 'morning Cairenn :P |
| 17:28.53 | Jens | Stand by. |
| 17:28.53 | eternally777 | Not at all :P |
| 17:28.56 | JoshBorke | anyone logged into beta atm? |
| 17:29.23 | Mikma | detox has a "feature" of not working every now and then |
| 17:29.36 | Jens | http://JensRex.members.Love.dk <-- me |
| 17:29.38 | Jens | http://odenseq26.members.love.dk/ <-- her |
| 17:30.06 | Cairenn | I presume no one here has received their keys overnight either, correct? |
| 17:30.12 | Adrine | Not I. |
| 17:30.23 | Amadeo | Cairenn: Not I |
| 17:30.26 | Mikma | Cairenn: i got my key some days ago |
| 17:30.36 | Cairenn | okay, thanks guys, sending an email |
| 17:30.39 | Mikma | Cairenn: thank you very much! :) |
| 17:30.43 | Adrine | <3 |
| 17:30.55 | Amadeo | We love you, Cairenn :D |
| 17:31.01 | Amadeo | Group Hug |
| 17:31.43 | Industrial | Cairenn: correct |
| 17:31.59 | Cairenn | email is sent |
| 17:32.08 | Industrial | \o/ _o_ \o/ _o_ |
| 17:32.20 | Jens | I'm disappointed with science. |
| 17:32.33 | Adrine | We're just over 2 months out from BC, I guess, with the Jan 16 release date. |
| 17:32.45 | Jens | Where are the flying cars, moon colonies and matter transfers? |
| 17:32.52 | Adrine | So even if the key takes a little extra time to get here, I'll be happy if I just get a chance at it before live :D |
| 17:33.03 | Jens | I want to be able to swipe my CC and have a pack of cigarettes beamed to my home. |
| 17:33.12 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.13 | Adrine | Jens: They're actually all there! Just in very early stages of development. |
| 17:33.41 | Industrial | wtb future 2g |
| 17:33.50 | Industrial | pst |
| 17:34.01 | Jens | Hmm... so should I wait for science then, or go out into the rain for more cigarettes? Decisions... |
| 17:34.02 | Adrine | Entangled matter transfers are philosophically bizarre. I'm not sure I'd want to have to deal with the ethical issues that would arise there :D |
| 17:34.27 | Xuerian | haste: Ping |
| 17:35.02 | Industrial | Jens: stop smoking :> |
| 17:35.22 | Jens | Request denied. |
| 17:35.27 | Industrial | do it for the girl |
| 17:35.39 | Jens | Hmm... she is a non smoker actually. |
| 17:35.50 | Industrial | or do you want her kissing an ashtray :P |
| 17:36.08 | Jens | I'd rather she'd kiss me instead, to be perfectly honest. |
| 17:36.51 | Industrial | .. thats what I meant |
| 17:36.51 | Industrial | :P |
| 17:37.00 | Kirkburn | In case no-one had heard this: TBC will be released on Jan 16th (http://www.blizzard.co.uk/press/061109.shtml) |
| 17:37.26 | thalie | now hopefully we can get the talents/gameplay changes in the patch |
| 17:38.18 | thalie | and they won't bust the crap out of my UI |
| 17:39.02 | Jens | thalie: That's about as likely to happen, as matter transfers. |
| 17:39.07 | thalie | :) |
| 17:39.12 | thalie | one can dream. |
| 17:40.48 | Mikma | well, then i shall get one TBC as my BDAY present heh |
| 17:42.59 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 17:44.53 | CIA-17 | 03moonsorrow * r16507 10GotWood/GotWood.lua: |
| 17:44.54 | CIA-17 | GotWood: |
| 17:44.54 | CIA-17 | - added missing translation |
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| 17:48.49 | kergoth | hmm, should update armchair alchemist to ace2 |
| 17:49.01 | Adrine | Hm. |
| 17:49.07 | thalie | manufac works great |
| 17:49.15 | Xuerian | haste: Ping damnit! |
| 17:49.17 | thalie | does aa do something different ;) |
| 17:49.44 | kergoth | armchair alchemist puts the ingredients used to make pots in the tooltip of those pots, for non-alchemists to easily know what they need to buy |
| 17:49.59 | Adrine | WOOO! |
| 17:50.02 | Adrine | Key just came through! |
| 17:50.12 | thalie | using periodic table, kergoth? |
| 17:50.20 | Adrine | <3 <3 <3 |
| 17:50.23 | Adrine | Thank you, Cairenn!! |
| 17:50.39 | thalie | that might be interesting if it did more than alchemy, ie enchanting too... dunno how many times i have had to ask "what are the mats for that enchant?" |
| 17:50.46 | Cairenn | YAY |
| 17:51.45 | Adrine | Expansion Account Upgrade - Success! |
| 17:51.56 | Amadeo | whoa |
| 17:51.58 | Amadeo | lemme check mine |
| 17:52.00 | eternally777 | Still waiting |
| 17:52.04 | Jens | I hate all of you with TBC accounts. |
| 17:52.05 | eternally777 | Fingers crossing ^^ |
| 17:52.08 | Adrine | Now I just....uh, sit on my ass for 6 more hours at work. ;_; |
| 17:52.22 | Amadeo | aww, no key here yet |
| 17:52.29 | Amadeo | You got me all excited |
| 17:52.30 | Amadeo | haha |
| 17:52.34 | Adrine | FWIW, I'm US, and I think I was in the second batch. |
| 17:52.44 | Amadeo | I'm US First Batch! |
| 17:53.02 | Cairenn | yay, just got more confirmed keys on one of the threads at the site |
| 17:53.33 | kergoth | it does use PT, not sure how flexible it is offhand though, i think it may keep an internal list of recipes rather than learning the ingredients to pots as it sees the recipes, or scanning the prof frame if you have an alchemist char |
| 17:53.34 | sylvanaar | wow 215 downloads thia am already |
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| 17:54.39 | eternally777 | My hearts racing like it's Tuesday all over again -.- |
| 17:55.02 | Jens | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ssotd/imageviewer.aspx?ImageIndex=5&Set=27 <-- Ha ha... baby gnome rogue owns :D |
| 17:55.21 | Industrial | LOL |
| 17:55.24 | Industrial | cool |
| 17:55.48 | Adrine | Woot, rogue/war/priest copied. |
| 17:56.54 | Mikma | hah |
| 17:57.22 | Amadeo | I have to admit I'm worried again :) |
| 17:57.28 | Amadeo | If they just sent out a batch and it didn't show up |
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| 18:00.03 | Mikma | nevcairiel: here we go with tests |
| 18:00.16 | Cairenn | getting more reports of keys on the 2 threads on wowi |
| 18:01.57 | Mikma | what reports? ebay? |
| 18:02.20 | Cairenn | of them showing up, silly |
| 18:02.26 | Mikma | giggles |
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| 18:02.58 | Mikma | Cairenn: btw.. smaller bites for cat to eat = less puking |
| 18:03.18 | Kemayo | Cairenn: I just got a second key. |
| 18:03.23 | thalie | shhh |
| 18:03.25 | thalie | send it to me |
| 18:03.26 | thalie | jk |
| 18:03.30 | Laric | hmm |
| 18:03.44 | Laric | anyone got tinytip to work in tbc? |
| 18:03.44 | eternally777 | WTB |
| 18:03.45 | eternally777 | :P |
| 18:03.46 | Amadeo | argh |
| 18:03.46 | Amadeo | everyone's getting keys but me! |
| 18:04.05 | bindi | got the same feeling Amadeo :( |
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| 18:05.44 | Adrine | Oh, man. |
| 18:05.53 | Adrine | I have to wait till Monday for the account to become active? Heh. |
| 18:06.00 | Adrine | Well, that makes focusing on work easier for today. :D |
| 18:06.54 | gnorlish | http://media2.spikedhumor.com/61947/Caption%206.jpg |
| 18:08.12 | Jens | "Braaaains" |
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| 18:10.35 | Mikma | argh, seems like SetFrameLevel doesn't work in combat |
| 18:11.19 | Toufas | is there a program that updates addons from the svn like WinAceUpdater? |
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| 18:13.10 | MentalPower|Univ | Toufas: its called an SVN client :) |
| 18:13.17 | Andaer | Quick question, if I've created a frame with CreateFrame, what can I use to remove it? |
| 18:13.26 | MentalPower|Univ | nothing |
| 18:13.32 | MentalPower|Univ | frames are not destroyable |
| 18:13.38 | MentalPower|Univ | re-use them |
| 18:13.48 | usz | Toufas, better question is why would you need it? |
| 18:14.03 | Andaer | Ah thanks |
| 18:14.19 | `-FISKER_Q | pew pew |
| 18:14.20 | Andaer | So how can I check if a frame exists? |
| 18:15.00 | MentalPower|Univ | if its a global frame name just "if (SomeFrameName) then" |
| 18:15.04 | JoshBork1 | if it's named |
| 18:15.07 | usz | Andaer, frame is table, so just look for it |
| 18:15.16 | MentalPower|Univ | if its an anonymous frame then just savethe reference |
| 18:15.28 | pastamancer | framePool = {}; table.insert(framePool, CreateFrame(...)); when done with a frame: table.insert(unusedFrames, table.remove(framePool, frameIndex)) |
| 18:15.34 | JoshBork1 | usz: aren't frames userdata? |
| 18:15.44 | Toufas | i like to stay up to date with addons |
| 18:15.49 | Andaer | Great, think I've got it figured out now, thanks |
| 18:16.17 | usz | JoshBork1, well they might even be, still type(frame) = table |
| 18:16.49 | kergoth | they are userdata under the hood, the table is just the mechanism to manipulate them from lua |
| 18:17.12 | JoshBork1 | if you modify the frame they become a table. ie type(CreateFrame('Frame') == userdata while f = CreateFrame('frame') f.test = true type(f) == 'table' |
| 18:17.17 | usz | Toufas, you dont want to use direct SVN access for it then... WAU was created to decrease load on SVN server and allow ppl to stay upto date with addons |
| 18:17.24 | JoshBork1 | from my experience i should say |
| 18:18.07 | Tain | Frames are like a box of chocolates. |
| 18:18.40 | tekcub | once you make one it never goaes away? |
| 18:18.56 | usz | JoshBork1, /print type(CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent)) prints "table" ^^ |
| 18:19.13 | JoshBork1 | blast you! |
| 18:19.20 | JoshBork1 | i was just logging in... |
| 18:19.26 | usz | haha |
| 18:19.43 | usz | next time, dont log off :) |
| 18:20.19 | Mikma | nevcairiel: ok, stacking buttons on each other works. but with SetAlpha there's also a problem ;D the buttons hidden will what don't have a correct stancebutton on it :D |
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| 18:22.13 | Kalamadi | So, uh. WoW chat isn't unicode, is it? |
| 18:22.53 | tekcub | I can say øffe in wow |
| 18:23.00 | tekcub | dunno if that's unicode |
| 18:23.01 | Adrine | It might be. Maybe UTF-8? |
| 18:23.06 | Adrine | I know it's not ISO-8859-1 ;) |
| 18:23.20 | Adrine | Which I am currently beating out of our XML-RPC engine, incidentally. |
| 18:23.27 | Kalamadi | I can't get Japanese characters to display, even when using the correct font(s) |
| 18:23.48 | Adrine | Japanese characters require widestrings, don't they? |
| 18:24.11 | Kalamadi | I've actually never heard the term "widestrings" before. |
| 18:24.13 | tekcub | damn silly japaneese |
| 18:24.18 | Adrine | 2-byte character strings |
| 18:24.33 | Kalamadi | Oh. Yeah, I think so. |
| 18:24.36 | CIA-17 | 03damjau * r16508 10T_Tracking/ (Core.lua Localization.lua T_Tracking.toc): |
| 18:24.36 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 18:24.36 | CIA-17 | - Add koKR local |
| 18:25.09 | Adrine | Well, I know there are Korean and Chinese clients, and those clients can display said characters |
| 18:25.20 | *** part/#wowace Andaer (n=tom@82.152.95.45) |
| 18:25.52 | Adrine | Unless there are different builds for different regions, where US/Euro builds are single-char strings and Korean/Chinese/Japanese builds are double-char, you should be able to find a way to make it work. |
| 18:26.13 | Adrine | Though, it wouldn't surprise me if they limited that for US/European builds, to prevent people from punching in Japanese characters as their name on a US server. |
| 18:26.40 | Kalamadi | Well. I can recheck my fonts and see if I can get it working |
| 18:26.58 | CIA-17 | 03kergoth * r16509 10kLagmeter/addon.lua: kLagmeter: properly insure that the lag bar is not shown in cases when it shouldn't be, including targeted spells like disenchant, since I don't know how to hook the actual targeting of that spell. |
| 18:27.01 | Kalamadi | Otherwise, is it possible to use a chat wrapper to recognize and convert said characters? |
| 18:27.10 | Mikma | ps. i hate TBC Securecrap |
| 18:27.11 | tekcub | well the US client supports screwy chars like the ae thing and all the accented vowells |
| 18:27.13 | kergoth | convert? just use utf-8 and call it a day |
| 18:27.20 | tekcub | people use em in names all thi time |
| 18:27.33 | Adrine | Those are just high-byte characters, tekcub - they aren't two-byte characters. I think. |
| 18:27.41 | tekcub | but I'v never seen anything kanji-ish |
| 18:27.58 | Adrine | Õ = char 243 |
| 18:28.03 | Adrine | Which is single-byte |
| 18:28.09 | [Liquidor] | Hey folks. Æg og Bøf med løg !! |
| 18:28.18 | pastamancer | it wouldn't surprise me if US/EU were UTF-8 and the KR/TW were UTF-16 |
| 18:28.33 | Adrine | I'd agree with pastamancer |
| 18:28.40 | tekcub | you used ø twice you're disqualified |
| 18:28.45 | kergoth | why bother? utf-8 can represent those characters just fine, and itd make their code needlessly complex |
| 18:28.55 | [Liquidor] | Woot was that a copy-paste tekcub ? |
| 18:28.59 | Adrine | There's no sense in passing around strings that are twice as long for US/EU servers |
| 18:29.05 | kergoth | uh? |
| 18:29.21 | tekcub | [12:22:52] <tekcub> I can say øffe in wow |
| 18:29.27 | tekcub | :P |
| 18:29.30 | tekcub | you're slow |
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| 18:30.06 | [Liquidor] | I can speak Chinese: ???????? or sometimes it's [] [] [] [] colored by item quality.... and I'm good at it ! |
| 18:30.41 | [Liquidor] | æøåÆØÅ \o/ |
| 18:30.43 | kergoth | thats a valid argument against utf-16 across the board, but there's nothing stopping them from using utf-8 on KR/TW other than possibly performance |
| 18:31.29 | Adrine | Well, you'd want to optimize for the majority of your audience |
| 18:31.50 | Adrine | You could use UTF-8 for KR/TW, sure, but then you're using 50% more bandwidth than you have to. |
| 18:31.59 | [Liquidor] | Now repeat after me: Rød grød med fløde! |
| 18:32.01 | kergoth | hm? |
| 18:32.19 | pastamancer | [Liquidor]: ia ia cthulu ftagn? |
| 18:32.32 | Mikma | argh |
| 18:32.35 | [Liquidor] | ia |
| 18:32.38 | Mikma | ag_UnitFrames suck at TBC :P |
| 18:33.11 | Adrine | Well, for example, Kanji in UTF8 takes 3 bytes. |
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| 18:33.16 | Adrine | In UTF16, it takes 2. |
| 18:33.39 | Adrine | If you're passing a lot of kanji around, it makes sense to just go ahead and use UTF-16. |
| 18:34.24 | tekcub | but... there isn't a japaneese locale :) |
| 18:34.27 | Mikma | nevcairiel: we need to create new buttons. |
| 18:34.32 | Adrine | Chinese, korean, whatever :P |
| 18:34.35 | [Liquidor] | Besides, it's Ia! Ia! Cthulu ftagn! |
| 18:35.01 | kergoth | and you're assuming that the codebase is sufficiently well architected to make changing the internal encoding easy. given what i've seen of blizzard code, i find that unlikely |
| 18:35.06 | kergoth | :P |
| 18:35.13 | Adrine | Heh, point. |
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| 18:35.23 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 18:35.30 | Adrine | Multiple encodings are royal pain and I hates them, precious. |
| 18:35.41 | Mi|es_ | Mikma: gogo fix aUF for TBC :P |
| 18:36.13 | Mikma | Mi|es_: nah :P i don't want to touch addons in TBC anymore |
| 18:36.15 | [Liquidor] | http://www.abc.net.au/science/ocean/monsters/img/squid.jpg |
| 18:36.22 | Mikma | i have lost all my interest in TBC today |
| 18:36.39 | Mi|es_ | hehe |
| 18:36.59 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:37.02 | Amadeo | sup ck |
| 18:37.15 | Adrine | Hey, cool, Unicode supports cuniform. |
| 18:37.19 | Mikma | su'ck! |
| 18:37.21 | Mikma | lol |
| 18:37.28 | *** mode/#wowace [-v Mikma] by ckknight |
| 18:37.33 | kergoth | its unicode, somehow i'm not surprised |
| 18:37.36 | kergoth | thats cool though |
| 18:38.26 | malreth | unicode supports every written language ever |
| 18:38.34 | [Liquidor] | damn !!! http://www.mobileguru.co.uk/Jokes/largest.jpg |
| 18:38.34 | Mikma | ckknight didn't like my joke |
| 18:38.40 | Mikma | he's a bossbitch! |
| 18:38.44 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: check out my jpg |
| 18:38.49 | tekcub | unicode doesn't support my handwriting |
| 18:38.49 | [Liquidor] | and be AFRAID ! |
| 18:38.57 | malreth | i think there's even room in the unicode spec for klingon |
| 18:38.59 | tekcub | it's a very hard language |
| 18:39.04 | tekcub | constantly changing |
| 18:39.20 | Amadeo | [Liquidor]: What is that? |
| 18:39.22 | malreth | you can write? |
| 18:39.35 | [Liquidor] | Amadeo: don't tell me you can't see what it is? o.O |
| 18:39.38 | eternally777 | "function ******_OnUpdate() collectgarbage() end" |
| 18:39.51 | eternally777 | Is that bad? |
| 18:39.54 | malreth | yes |
| 18:39.59 | tekcub | I thought klingon was a latin derivitive |
| 18:40.00 | Adrine | http://trentdonelson.com/temp/nefarious.jpg is quite possibly the best photoshop ever in the history of everything. |
| 18:40.17 | Amadeo | yeah but it looks fake |
| 18:40.26 | Tain | Cute though |
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| 18:40.42 | Amadeo | oh, I'm talking about the mosquito |
| 18:42.11 | Mikma | Amadeo: it looks like a enlarged version of it |
| 18:42.30 | Mikma | Elkano: yo |
| 18:42.40 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 18:42.43 | Amadeo | probably to show its features |
| 18:42.53 | Elkano | hmm? |
| 18:42.56 | Amadeo | but I swear, when I was a kid, some HUGE insect flew at me once |
| 18:42.58 | Amadeo | no idea what it was |
| 18:43.02 | [Liquidor] | well maybe they were that big at that time |
| 18:43.03 | Mikma | Elkano: Laric is missing you in TBC ;) |
| 18:43.04 | Laric | Elkano what was the eqc line i should change? 183 should be changed to? |
| 18:43.06 | [Liquidor] | that time = dinos |
| 18:43.14 | Mikma | or here, what ever :D |
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| 18:43.35 | Elkano | wel, add object to the bracets |
| 18:43.45 | Elkano | self.hooks[object].OnShow(object) |
| 18:44.40 | Laric | thank you |
| 18:44.46 | JoshBorke | hola |
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| 18:46.40 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16511 10Paparazzi/ (Paparazzi-Locale-enUS.lua Paparazzi.lua Paparazzi.toc): |
| 18:46.40 | CIA-17 | Paparazzi: |
| 18:46.40 | CIA-17 | - fixed locale issues |
| 18:46.42 | Tain | Someone from 989 Studios huh. |
| 18:46.58 | Amadeo | 989? |
| 18:47.34 | Amadeo | Damn, Blizzard is up to 7.5 million WoW subscribers |
| 18:47.35 | [Liquidor] | check the class of the player with this weapon: http://www.mobileguru.co.uk/Jokes/largest.jpg |
| 18:47.55 | [Liquidor] | wrong link -.- |
| 18:47.56 | haste | Xuerian: pong |
| 18:47.59 | Mikma | ah haha |
| 18:48.07 | [Liquidor] | http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/8eeff2bcd8.jpg - there |
| 18:48.57 | Mikma | [Liquidor]: hunter???? |
| 18:49.04 | [Liquidor] | Mikma: yep :PPP |
| 18:49.06 | [Liquidor] | hahahahah |
| 18:49.12 | Mikma | omfg |
| 18:49.32 | Amadeo | that's SICK |
| 18:49.33 | Amadeo | rofl |
| 18:49.34 | Amadeo | Hunter... |
| 18:49.57 | Amadeo | DKP ftl |
| 18:50.30 | Amadeo | the saddest part is that all the time it took him to get that, all the raids...all the saving up DKP |
| 18:50.32 | malreth | all loot is hunter loot |
| 18:50.36 | Amadeo | and it'll be replaced quickly in TBC :) |
| 18:50.54 | CIA-17 | 03mikma * r16512 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_DropdownMenu.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua): ag_UnitFrames: Steel.tga added in. teh hotness |
| 18:51.28 | Xuerian | haste: How about hooking SetStatusBarTexture in SurfaceLib? Or would that be out of bounds/pointless? |
| 18:51.30 | Xuerian | ^_^ |
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| 18:52.48 | haste | Xuerian: tbh, I would rather see people decide to use it on their own |
| 18:53.13 | deci | have at thee! |
| 18:53.25 | CIA-17 | 03joshborke * r16513 10HealWatch/HealWatchEvents.lua: HealWatch: fixed a stupid thing where I created a table when i didn't need to. |
| 18:53.26 | Xuerian | haste: Ah =\. Okey. ^_^. Shall be using it with XLGroup. |
| 18:53.49 | Mikma | right lol |
| 18:53.57 | deci | once you have 3 named addons are you going to release them as a package titled xXx? |
| 18:53.58 | Mikma | forgot to add the textures in ag_UnitFrames* |
| 18:54.02 | CIA-17 | 03mikma 07TBC * r16514 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ag_Variables.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Steel.tga added in. teh hotness |
| 18:54.13 | haste | Xuerian: don't use lib:Usage() btw, it will be removed :)) |
| 18:54.16 | deci | omg <3 that texture |
| 18:54.17 | Xuerian | haha, deci, could well do that |
| 18:54.22 | Xuerian | haste: zomgdocs >.< |
| 18:54.48 | haste | Xuerian: Just as me, I don't have any problem with answering |
| 18:54.58 | CIA-17 | 03mikma 07TBC * r16515 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/Images/Steel.tga: ag_UnitFrames: the texture itself |
| 18:55.00 | deci | Xuerian: im full of amazing ideas like that, i should be your publicist |
| 18:55.17 | Xuerian | haste: If you insist. Stuff to do then I'll no doubt have one or two for you. |
| 18:55.28 | Xuerian | deci: Whatever floats your boat :P |
| 18:55.32 | deci | haha |
| 18:55.32 | phyber | ckknight: for some reason, I can't hook the GossipFrame_OnShow. There is no function with that name, but there is an <OnShow> in the XML. |
| 18:55.34 | haste | I'm in a raid right now |
| 18:55.36 | phyber | shouldn't it still work? |
| 18:55.37 | CIA-17 | 03mikma * r16516 10ag_UnitFrames/Images/Steel.tga: ag_UnitFrames: the texture itself |
| 18:55.45 | deci | go go mikma |
| 18:55.47 | ckknight | phyber, hook the script. |
| 18:55.50 | Xuerian | haste: It'll be a while till 'stuff' is done. |
| 18:55.50 | haste | I was dragged out of bed to play :( |
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| 18:56.04 | Xuerian | X.x |
| 18:56.10 | Xuerian | You sound like our oceanic members :P |
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| 18:56.30 | Xuerian | Mikma: What's involved in using Steel? |
| 18:56.32 | deci | so abusive |
| 18:56.44 | Xuerian | Mikma: Endcaps and a bar texture? |
| 18:56.50 | DrDre | apparently ive forgot my own password |
| 18:57.05 | phyber | ckknight: ah, duh. thanks ;) |
| 18:57.09 | deci | Steel is a modded Charcoal isnt it? |
| 18:57.57 | Mikma | Xuerian: it's rounded statusbar, nothing else |
| 18:57.57 | Xuerian | Round ends o_0 |
| 18:58.09 | Xuerian | Mikma: Ahh, nifty |
| 18:58.12 | Amadeo | agUF uses a lot of memory in raids |
| 18:58.31 | DrDre | it has a raid ui |
| 18:58.36 | Amadeo | even with it off |
| 18:58.56 | DrDre | how do u know its aguf doing it? |
| 18:59.10 | Amadeo | I was messing with unit frames :) |
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| 19:00.02 | deci | what is "a lot"? i sit around 18mb with 6 or less increasing rate in raids, but i dont use the raid frames |
| 19:00.47 | Amadeo | about 5-6MB |
| 19:00.48 | DrDre | wish i had memory usage down to 18mb... lol |
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| 19:12.14 | DrDre | wb! |
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| 19:12.14 | CIA-17 | 03moonsorrow * r16517 10GotWood/views/CandyBarView.lua: |
| 19:12.14 | CIA-17 | GotWood: |
| 19:12.15 | CIA-17 | - fixed scaling of the candy bar |
| 19:12.15 | Adrine | Netsplit crits #wowace for 4023 (crushing). |
| 19:12.15 | Adrine | Err. >_> |
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| 19:12.15 | Adrine | Ignore the fact that crushes can't crit. >_> |
| 19:12.15 | malreth | weeeeeeee! |
| 19:12.15 | DrDre | yep |
| 19:12.15 | DrDre | niven |
| 19:12.16 | malreth | ah... |
| 19:12.16 | Xuerian | Uh. DrDre... 0_o |
| 19:12.16 | DrDre | ? |
| 19:12.16 | DrDre | lol |
| 19:12.16 | ckknight | * _DrDre (i=vega27@dirty.pussy.is.c0ntag1o.us) has joined #wowace |
| 19:12.16 | DrDre | bnc wont acceptm y damn password |
| 19:12.16 | DrDre | even tho its right :( |
| 19:12.16 | malreth | as long as you keep your member wrapped... who cares what you dip it in? |
| 19:12.16 | DrDre | LOL |
| 19:12.16 | Mikma | DrDre: what are you typing in the password-slot? write it here |
| 19:12.17 | [Cu]Werik | You can put it that way yes:) |
| 19:12.17 | alakhnor | AceTab-2.0 is looking for Acehook2.0, not 2.1 - Prat loads AceHook2.1. Is this may cause an error? |
| 19:12.17 | DrDre | mypasswordistoosuperlongtoremembersoiforgetit |
| 19:12.17 | DrDre | with /pass before that |
| 19:12.17 | DrDre | holy fuck talk about broke ui |
| 19:13.10 | Mikma | :) |
| 19:13.10 | DrDre | like 5 addons loaded rest didnt lol |
| 19:13.10 | DrDre | squeenix and viewport was on but rest seemed to not be there |
| 19:13.10 | Mikma | yeah check the .toc |
| 19:13.10 | ckknight | AceTab should not use AceHook |
| 19:13.11 | ckknight | get the new version that doesn't use it. |
| 19:13.11 | DrDre | is running wowaceupdater while on char select screen a bad idea? :P |
| 19:13.11 | Mikma | if it's 11200 then it won't load even if the "load outofdate addons" is checked |
| 19:13.11 | malreth | DrDre: no. it's fine |
| 19:13.56 | malreth | just realize that the list of addons in the game won't change as you add/remove files |
| 19:13.56 | DrDre | yea |
| 19:13.56 | DrDre | i needed to reboot wow anyways |
| 19:14.22 | DrDre | for that new lib FuQuestFu is using |
| 19:14.40 | alakhnor | it does look for Acehook though line 276:if major == "AceHook-2.0" then |
| 19:14.40 | DrDre | need... ram.... wow running on PF = eww |
| 19:15.11 | ckknight | alakhnor, as I said before, get the new version. |
| 19:15.11 | alakhnor | (rev 11577 lib 16122) |
| 19:15.29 | ckknight | revision 16217 |
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| 19:15.57 | Kirkburn | Would I be right in thinking Bartender is not TBC compatible yet? |
| 19:16.27 | malreth | it isn't, iirc |
| 19:16.27 | alakhnor | raaah ! I've loaded the last !!!!Libs, not Ace2, sorry |
| 19:16.32 | Kirkburn | And Prat too, it seems? |
| 19:16.42 | Laric | argh server shutdown :(... time for a new patch? |
| 19:16.42 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r16518 10Ace2/AceConsole-2.0/AceConsole-2.0.lua: .AceConsole-2.0 - changed a few error messages around. |
| 19:16.43 | malreth | since it can't hook the blizzard action buttons without tainting them, from what i understand |
| 19:16.51 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TBC * r16519 10Ace2/Ace2/AceConsole-2.0/AceConsole-2.0.lua: .AceConsole-2.0 - changed a few error messages around. |
| 19:17.27 | Kirkburn | I just tried the TBC version of Prat - didn't work at all |
| 19:17.33 | alakhnor | Bartender and Prat are working with TBC |
| 19:17.42 | alakhnor | for me anyway |
| 19:17.48 | Kirkburn | Uh, so what am I doing wrong? |
| 19:17.49 | Mikma | Kirkburn: no, it doesn't. |
| 19:17.54 | DrDre | maybe i should turn my gfx back down till i get more ram |
| 19:18.10 | Mikma | Kirkburn: the branch doesn't seem to work. haven't tried the trunk yet |
| 19:18.23 | Kirkburn | alakhor, how'd you manage it? |
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| 19:19.01 | Mikma | Kirkburn: try the trunk? |
| 19:19.33 | Kirkburn | Is this right - get the Ace2 TBC branch, and delete all the Ace libs from the /files download? |
| 19:19.50 | Kirkburn | Or is there another step I'm missing? |
| 19:20.06 | alakhnor | changed the toc on bartender, used Prat-r14452[TBC].zip |
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| 19:20.19 | Mikma | umh |
| 19:20.32 | Mikma | Bartender2 doesn't work in TBC without modifications |
| 19:20.40 | Mikma | get the Bartender3 from branches :) |
| 19:20.47 | Mikma | as long as it's there lol |
| 19:20.50 | Kemayo | AceComm question: Do you only receive messages sent with your addon's prefix? |
| 19:21.21 | ckknight_ | yes, Kemayo |
| 19:21.21 | alakhnor | I didn't really had any problem with bartender2 under TBC |
| 19:21.29 | alakhnor | however, I'm using Trinity now |
| 19:21.37 | ckknight_ | well, actually, you specify the prefixes you listen to. |
| 19:21.56 | deci | Mikma: your latest tbc revision for aguf gives me healthbar errors when changing the texture D: |
| 19:22.13 | Mikma | deci: well it does for me too |
| 19:22.47 | `-FISKER_Q | oh science help us |
| 19:22.56 | Kemayo | Ah, okay. (I'll update the wiki docs to make that clearer.) |
| 19:23.19 | Kirkburn | alakhnor, you've lucky, total failure for me :/ |
| 19:23.22 | Kirkburn | *you're |
| 19:23.43 | deci | /cry |
| 19:23.44 | deci | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.44 | deci | The expected downtime will be 6 hours. |
| 19:23.44 | deci | [ Post edited by Nethaera ] |
| 19:23.51 | Kirkburn | Noooooooooo |
| 19:23.52 | alakhnor | btw, for devs, Trinity seems to handle new TBC bar/switch/buttons very well. Might be interesting to tak a look at it |
| 19:23.54 | ckknight_ | hopefully they fix ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 19:24.40 | Kirkburn | Ho, hum, couple of mins of running around then :P |
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| 19:26.50 | phyber | ugly, ugly, UGLY hax, ftw. |
| 19:27.18 | Amadeo | Anyone good at troubleshooting hardware issues? Windows |
| 19:27.22 | phyber | all of that hooking of GOSSIP_SHOW and OnShow, etc was horrible and the frame was there for a while before something was selected. |
| 19:27.28 | Mikma | deci: i just tested without my modification. errors. |
| 19:27.31 | phyber | so now, I :SetAlpha(0) on the frame ;)( |
| 19:27.42 | deci | same mikma, something is borked |
| 19:27.48 | phyber | and when I see GOSSIP_CLOSED, restore it to what it was earlier :) |
| 19:28.05 | ckknight | phyber, h4x |
| 19:28.29 | Kirkburn | 1 minute to go :( |
| 19:28.40 | Mikma | MoonWolf: where can i find info about the new patch+ |
| 19:28.41 | ckknight | Kirkburn, until? |
| 19:28.58 | Kirkburn | TBC server shutdown |
| 19:29.03 | Kirkburn | 15 seconds :P |
| 19:29.14 | ckknight | oh |
| 19:29.22 | nevcairiel | oh noes |
| 19:29.26 | nevcairiel | and i wanted to code |
| 19:29.32 | Kirkburn | 6 hours :/ |
| 19:29.32 | Mikma | nevcairiel: BT3? :) |
| 19:29.39 | Mikma | 6 hours! oh noes :P |
| 19:30.10 | Kirkburn | And it's gone :( |
| 19:30.11 | MoonWolf | link http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1252686&sid=1 |
| 19:30.16 | Mikma | MoonWolf: danke :) |
| 19:30.23 | Mikma | uranusbear :D |
| 19:31.19 | nevcairiel | yay a patch |
| 19:31.22 | Amadeo | TBC servers are down? |
| 19:31.25 | nevcairiel | maybe with patchnotes this time :P |
| 19:31.26 | deci | for 6 hours |
| 19:31.29 | Mikma | crap |
| 19:31.29 | Amadeo | I bet I'll get my key now |
| 19:31.34 | Mikma | no info about it |
| 19:31.44 | Mikma | just "new patch" |
| 19:33.00 | nevcairiel | Mikma i wanted to test my new-created buttons and play with them, but i guess that will have to wait |
| 19:33.29 | Mikma | nevcairiel: well, tomorrow weekends starts! |
| 19:34.16 | Mikma | -s. i hate my typos |
| 19:35.03 | pastamancer | http://grid.13th-floor.org/screenshots/Grid_Configurator.gif |
| 19:35.26 | haste | pastamancer: NEDM would make that cool. |
| 19:35.34 | pastamancer | nedm? |
| 19:35.48 | haste | the image you have there = happy cat = nedm = not even doom music |
| 19:35.58 | pastamancer | ah |
| 19:36.15 | thalie | i was going to say is that really necessary, the dewdrop menus are pretty self-explanetory if you ask me |
| 19:36.16 | thalie | but you didn't |
| 19:36.19 | thalie | ;) |
| 19:36.28 | pastamancer | I actually had to GIS for happycat since I didn't have it saved already |
| 19:37.04 | haste | pastamancer: http://nedmbitesback.ytmnd.com/ |
| 19:37.16 | pastamancer | *shrug*, I don't think it's necessary. |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-17 | 03phyber * r16520 10Denial2/ (Denial2.lua Denial2.toc Libs/): |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-17 | Denial2: |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-17 | - Removed AceHook-2.1. |
| 19:37.32 | CIA-17 | - We're now registered with the GOSSIP_SHOW event. |
| 19:37.33 | CIA-17 | -- To manage the above, we engage h4x mode and set the alpha of the GossipFrame to 0 to hide it while the script picks an option. When we get GOSSIP_CLOSED, we set the alpha back to its original value. |
| 19:37.35 | Mikma | nevcairiel: i got a job for you. |
| 19:37.43 | nevcairiel | with pay? |
| 19:37.47 | Mikma | nevcairiel: do a smart post about reusing blizzard buttons in beta-forums |
| 19:37.54 | Mikma | sure i can pay you, WITH ANALSEX! |
| 19:37.57 | Mikma | lederhosen! |
| 19:37.58 | thalie | ew. |
| 19:38.04 | Elkano | what to do on patchdasy? listen to 4chan ;) |
| 19:38.06 | kaiden | lol! |
| 19:38.18 | nevcairiel | my smart posts in english all sound stupid |
| 19:38.20 | haste | Elkano: the pool is closed |
| 19:38.22 | nevcairiel | get a native speaker :P |
| 19:38.38 | Mikma | nevcairiel: well i don't care, you can explain things alot better than i can |
| 19:38.40 | Elkano | well, that's why I said listen ^^ |
| 19:38.43 | haste | and 4chan has been down since yesterday :( |
| 19:38.58 | haste | best error image tho' :D |
| 19:38.59 | kaiden | so how long do thursday beta server downtimes usually last? |
| 19:39.04 | Mikma | LOL no wonder why haste is cranky |
| 19:39.05 | kaiden | sorry just got into beta |
| 19:39.09 | kaiden | and haven't experienced one yet |
| 19:39.14 | haste | http://4chan.org/ :D |
| 19:39.24 | nevcairiel | kaiden: ~6h |
| 19:39.31 | kaiden | ewww :( |
| 19:39.53 | Mikma | haste: "hippie edition" |
| 19:40.18 | Elkano | hmm... ply sth HLish or sth WC3ish?... |
| 19:40.32 | Mikma | Elkano: WoWish |
| 19:40.41 | Mikma | normal wow is up |
| 19:40.54 | nevcairiel | normal wow is boring after beta, heh |
| 19:41.07 | Mikma | no it ain't |
| 19:41.09 | deci | but, but, you can jump around a city on your mount! |
| 19:41.17 | *** join/#wowace Grine (n=ghallber@h169n9c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 19:41.19 | Mikma | and pvp to raise your rank for TBC |
| 19:41.27 | Elkano | which mount? :( |
| 19:41.27 | deci | unless you're already 14 |
| 19:41.43 | haste | Elkano: I would say AQ2ish |
| 19:41.44 | Mikma | nevcairiel: or do posts in beta.wowwowowowowowowo.com and get analsex! |
| 19:41.53 | nevcairiel | my max rank was 7 or so, and right now i am 4, and i dont have time anyway |
| 19:42.54 | deci | if they raise the cap tonight im going to buy everyone epic flying mounts |
| 19:42.55 | deci | ! |
| 19:43.14 | nevcairiel | its not the mounts which are expensive |
| 19:43.18 | Elkano | I'll come back to that offer in retail ^^ |
| 19:43.27 | mjc | I got into TBC |
| 19:43.31 | deci | i meant the riding skill |
| 19:43.34 | deci | yay mjc |
| 19:43.37 | mjc | account gets activated on monday |
| 19:43.47 | deci | maybe they'll add more alch stuff in too |
| 19:43.48 | mjc | now I need to get my gf a key :(((( |
| 19:43.53 | nevcairiel | i am still lvl60 |
| 19:43.58 | nevcairiel | but the quests are fun |
| 19:44.13 | pastamancer | I just got my 60s copied over last night |
| 19:44.22 | Elkano | I should copy my 53 rouge... |
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| 19:44.45 | mjc | what's a rouge ? |
| 19:44.52 | nevcairiel | its a good feeling questing there tho, i didnt do lots of quests and i am like 60.8 already |
| 19:44.53 | mjc | a communist WoW character ? |
| 19:45.28 | Amadeo | Vista Ultimate Final - http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/winvista_rtm_ult_11.jpg |
| 19:45.42 | Amadeo | I don't like the widget things |
| 19:45.44 | ckknight | mjc, rouge is a kind of makeup that girls use to make their cheeks redder |
| 19:45.49 | nevcairiel | heh, build 6000 |
| 19:45.52 | Amadeo | I guess you can turn em off |
| 19:45.58 | mjc | ckknight: I know, but he said he wanted to copy his |
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| 19:46.48 | Amadeo | I'm really curious if people are going to be able to hack Vista or not |
| 19:46.56 | Amadeo | Since MS spent a lot of time on that |
| 19:47.20 | nevcairiel | so hackers will have to spend alot of time |
| 19:47.23 | nevcairiel | but it will happen |
| 19:47.36 | Amadeo | I think Vista actively checks your key online now |
| 19:47.42 | Amadeo | and if it's invalid, it cripples it |
| 19:47.51 | nevcairiel | so you remove that function before |
| 19:47.56 | mjc | I've seen a rootkit for it |
| 19:48.11 | nevcairiel | but what do i care, i get nearly all MS keys from my university, MSDNAA ftw |
| 19:48.16 | Amadeo | hehe |
| 19:48.38 | Amadeo | Vista Ultimate is like $400 for the full version |
| 19:48.40 | Amadeo | kinda pricey imo |
| 19:49.09 | mjc | kinda ? |
| 19:49.10 | mjc | fucking stupid |
| 19:49.19 | Kyah1 | Cheaper than a PS3 |
| 19:49.24 | mjc | you don't even get an office suite for that |
| 19:49.29 | nevcairiel | not everyone really needs ultimate, the home premium is fine for most |
| 19:49.29 | Kyah1 | lol |
| 19:49.30 | Mikma | deci: well my changes work fine in vanilla WoW :) |
| 19:49.35 | Mikma | deci: (aguf) |
| 19:49.36 | mjc | who the fuck wants to pay $400 and not even be able to create documents |
| 19:49.43 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:49.47 | Amadeo | Yeah |
| 19:49.50 | deci | yea Mikma i tested :P |
| 19:50.10 | Amadeo | mjc: But on the plus side, you don't have to buy a new version of Vista every year to fix bugs |
| 19:50.21 | mjc | sure you do.. |
| 19:50.27 | Xuerian | "Ultimate?" |
| 19:50.35 | Xuerian | What the fuck does "Ultimate" have that "uber" doesn't? |
| 19:50.36 | Amadeo | Xuerian: There's like 7 versions of Vista |
| 19:50.43 | Xuerian | or "Fucking overpriced", the one below uber? |
| 19:50.52 | Grine | I would buy Vista "ULTRAKILL Edition" |
| 19:50.54 | Amadeo | Home Premium is $250 I think |
| 19:51.11 | mjc | Amadeo: most people are buying shite every 2 years anyways |
| 19:51.15 | Xuerian | Yeah, that's it, I've bought my last windows software.. |
| 19:51.15 | mjc | windows is fucking stupid. |
| 19:51.26 | krka | no shit |
| 19:51.33 | Xuerian | I'll damn well use it |
| 19:51.37 | Xuerian | But hell if I pay for it |
| 19:51.42 | Kyah1 | <3 Ubuntu |
| 19:51.43 | Tain | XP has been around for 5 years now. |
| 19:51.44 | Amadeo | mjc: I like OSX and all, but I don't agree with making people buy the same OS over and over again |
| 19:51.45 | Kyah1 | :P |
| 19:51.46 | krka | fortunately, you can use other operating systems |
| 19:51.52 | krka | i concur with Kyah1 |
| 19:51.57 | mjc | Amadeo: they encourage sharing of new point releases |
| 19:51.58 | krka | i use Edgy atm |
| 19:51.59 | Srosh | who buys retail anyway? |
| 19:52.03 | mjc | Amadeo: read the license |
| 19:52.14 | Amadeo | sharing of point releases? |
| 19:52.16 | mjc | yes |
| 19:52.25 | mjc | if you buy 10.4, 10.5 is a $20 upgrade |
| 19:52.29 | mjc | which is distribution and media cost |
| 19:52.37 | Kyahx | Yea, Im running Edgy now |
| 19:52.38 | Amadeo | I thought it was like $130 |
| 19:52.39 | mjc | plus, if you have a friend that has th disc arleady, it's legal to use his |
| 19:52.40 | Xuerian | Yeah, it's a good thing, and linux is nice. But I'm stilll going to use vista. |
| 19:52.40 | Kyahx | Beryl is too fun :) |
| 19:52.51 | Srosh | what bugs me more is Blizz demanding 35€ for the expansion :s |
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| 19:52.53 | krka | agreed! |
| 19:53.03 | Amadeo | Interesting, that's cool then |
| 19:53.03 | krka | however, Beryl is annoying combined with Warcraft 3 |
| 19:53.09 | Kyahx | lol |
| 19:53.11 | Baps | I'm not thrilled with the concept of vista.. but dx10 is likely to drive me to it |
| 19:53.22 | Amadeo | mjc: I assume there are no keys involved then? |
| 19:53.24 | krka | mouse in lower left corner while playing war3 is painful with beryl |
| 19:53.24 | mjc | Amadeo: been that way with apple since MacOS |
| 19:53.26 | Baps | it's literally the only thing I want |
| 19:53.27 | mjc | Amadeo: only for server |
| 19:53.34 | Amadeo | interesting |
| 19:53.39 | ckknight | DX10 looks very nice |
| 19:53.46 | Amadeo | I guess they can get away with it since they have a small market segment |
| 19:53.58 | mjc | Amadeo: they get away with it because their primary market is hardware |
| 19:54.02 | Srosh | hehe, it's obvious why MS refuses to bring it out on XP ;) |
| 19:54.16 | mjc | vista's a fucking bloat machine |
| 19:54.17 | Amadeo | ckknight: Yeah, I'm excited about DX10 |
| 19:54.25 | Kyahx | Im not :( |
| 19:54.33 | mjc | my 4GB Mac Pro and 1GB dual opteron are brought to their knees by it pretty easily. it's sad |
| 19:55.02 | Kyahx | OpenGL for all! |
| 19:55.05 | ckknight | Srosh, yea, it is really obvious. It's because it requires the new driver interface. |
| 19:55.46 | ckknight | their new driver interface is so much better than what they have now |
| 19:55.48 | `-FISKER_Q | your computers suck then mjc |
| 19:55.51 | Amadeo | mjc: Vista disables all the crap when you run a game or something, so it doesn't eat resources |
| 19:55.53 | Baps | and it's vista's only must have feature.. so not backporting to XP drives vista adoption |
| 19:55.58 | `-FISKER_Q | my crappy singlechannel X2 4400 runs it without any problems at all |
| 19:56.12 | `-FISKER_Q | I can even do the (winbutton) + tab thingy with a couple of games |
| 19:56.15 | `-FISKER_Q | pretty smooth |
| 19:56.16 | krka | beryl is not just eyecandy though... the expose feature is useful |
| 19:56.21 | Srosh | still not worth 300+€ imho |
| 19:56.24 | mjc | `-FISKER_Q: it uses an insane amount of memor |
| 19:56.25 | mjc | y |
| 19:56.40 | mjc | over 1GB on my 4GB box and almost 1GB on the 1GB box |
| 19:56.47 | Xuerian | `-FISKER_Q: I have to say it, mjc's computer anything but sucks o.o |
| 19:56.49 | `-FISKER_Q | Regardless if and if not it does that my 1GB box ran it fine |
| 19:56.57 | `-FISKER_Q | Well Xuerian my computer apparently ran it better |
| 19:56.59 | `-FISKER_Q | so it must suck |
| 19:57.07 | Mikma | i'm excited about picking my nose |
| 19:57.14 | Srosh | oh well, if MS doesn't bring it to XP, it'd be pretty far into the future until DX10 will be necessary to play games |
| 19:57.17 | Kyahx | Im excited for you, Mikma |
| 19:57.24 | Amadeo | mjc: The more memory you have, the more Windows will use, that's just how it works...but that memory is freed for other stuff as needed |
| 19:57.28 | mjc | `-FISKER_Q: dual dual core xeon, 2.66GHz, 4GB RAM, two 36GB SAS drives |
| 19:57.31 | Mikma | Kyahx: code my ui |
| 19:57.34 | Kyahx | k |
| 19:57.34 | mjc | Amadeo: no, it's swapped out, nto freed |
| 19:57.37 | Srosh | don't think any games developer would want to cripple its user base like that |
| 19:57.39 | mjc | Amadeo: therein lies the issue |
| 19:57.42 | Kyahx | give me my beta key ='( |
| 19:57.43 | `-FISKER_Q | DX10 wil be brought into XP as DX9L or something like that |
| 19:57.50 | Amadeo | mjc: Same difference |
| 19:57.52 | mjc | Amadeo: disk cache and network caches are *still* fucking statically sized |
| 19:57.54 | Tain | There's only 2 reasons I'll switch to Vista really. When DX10 is required. |
| 19:57.54 | mjc | Amadeo: *NO* |
| 19:58.02 | mjc | Amadeo: free() and a pageout are way different |
| 19:58.06 | Kyahx | I signed up first day, I still dont have it. Starting to get worried / angry. |
| 19:58.06 | `-FISKER_Q | mjc your stats can be pretty irrelevant when you claim your system is brought to its knees |
| 19:58.13 | mjc | Amadeo: page out = disk thrash, free() = inexpensive |
| 19:58.15 | Amadeo | mjc: I'm just saying that you can use that memory |
| 19:58.24 | Tain | No Fisker, well at last they've already put out a paper talking about why they can't do dX10 in XP. |
| 19:58.25 | mjc | Amadeo: OSX and linux use it for disk cachin |
| 19:58.25 | mjc | g |
| 19:58.37 | Mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.38 | Mikma | Loz is working on Discord Unit Builder still. Pre-alpha, so use at your own risk |
| 19:58.41 | Mikma | mehehe |
| 19:58.42 | mjc | Amadeo: vista uses it for eye candy |
| 19:58.49 | `-FISKER_Q | Tain i know there was news about it a couple of weeks ago |
| 19:58.52 | Tain | The only other reason I'd do Vista is if the 64bit support is worth it. |
| 19:58.53 | `-FISKER_Q | that they would be making it |
| 19:58.56 | tekcub | hrm... anyone got a commandline for the "repair" button under a wireless connection in XP? |
| 19:58.56 | Amadeo | mjc: Then why is Windows more responsive than OSX? |
| 19:59.10 | tekcub | so that I can make it trigger a repair with my remote :) |
| 19:59.13 | mjc | Amadeo: because you were comparing a PPC to an intel ? |
| 19:59.14 | Kyahx | Windows isnt more responsive than OSX |
| 19:59.24 | Kyahx | MacBooks are amazing |
| 19:59.30 | Amadeo | For how many years did Apple say PPC was faster than Intel? :P |
| 19:59.47 | Kyahx | They were at one point :) |
| 19:59.48 | Amadeo | Regardless of benchmarks |
| 19:59.49 | [Cu]Werik | It is faster |
| 19:59.53 | Amadeo | Yeah, maybe 15 years ago |
| 19:59.54 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:59.55 | mjc | Amadeo: they never said it was faster at graphical display |
| 20:00.03 | mjc | Amadeo: try turning off beam sync and turning on Q2D extreme |
| 20:00.07 | mjc | beam sync = vsyn |
| 20:00.09 | mjc | c |
| 20:00.10 | Adrine | tekcub: ipconfig /release; ipconfig /renew ? |
| 20:00.35 | Tain | And anyway Apple had to say PPC was faster, it's what they were running, that's just common sense advertising. |
| 20:00.40 | Amadeo | mjc: I just remember people telling me not to get a Mac because I wouldn't be happy with how unresponsive stuff is...like waiting for applications to launch after you click the button or whatever |
| 20:00.47 | tekcub | no, a repair disables the adaptor, reenables, flushes DNS, lots of shit |
| 20:00.49 | mjc | Amadeo: yes, a ppc |
| 20:01.00 | tekcub | ipconfig is pointless if you're not connected to the network |
| 20:01.08 | Amadeo | mjc: I'm not sure they were speaking of the processor, just OSX |
| 20:01.22 | `-FISKER_Q | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35110 |
| 20:01.31 | mjc | Amadeo: moving away from PPC did a lot... |
| 20:01.39 | Amadeo | I think it was a good move in general |
| 20:01.41 | Tain | Of course Apple hasn't really done great advertising in .. well ever. They had their big hit with the 1984 commercial. |
| 20:01.51 | Tain | Everything else has been a laughing stock. |
| 20:02.04 | Adrine | tekcub: Try using "net start (and stop)" to start/stop the wireless zero config service |
| 20:02.04 | Mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.06 | Kyahx | they did ok promoting the iPod :P |
| 20:02.07 | mjc | brb, gotta doa little work. |
| 20:02.07 | Mikma | right |
| 20:02.14 | Amadeo | Tain: Yeah, but Apple has a big religious/zealot following, so whatever Steve Jobs says is automatically true anyway :) |
| 20:02.14 | Mikma | 120 isn't enough for everyone :D |
| 20:02.33 | mjc | Amadeo: I used linux from 8y/o til last august |
| 20:02.35 | mjc | :P |
| 20:02.41 | Tain | Yeah actually the iPod ads were good, they were simple. Iconic. |
| 20:02.43 | Adrine | net stop "Wireless Zero Configuration" |
| 20:02.44 | Adrine | net start "Wireless Zero Configuration" |
| 20:02.45 | Srosh | I'll believe Steve Jobs more than Steve Ballmer any day |
| 20:02.45 | tekcub | hrm... might work |
| 20:02.54 | Srosh | -'ll |
| 20:02.54 | Kyahx | I love OSX, but I'll never use it untill I can run it on a machine I build myself |
| 20:02.56 | Tain | I'd rather listen to Woz. |
| 20:03.03 | Amadeo | mjc: What's the underlying framework of OSX? :) |
| 20:03.10 | malreth | the current set of apple ads are a hit with their target audience |
| 20:03.21 | malreth | my fiancee collects them... it's amazing |
| 20:03.24 | Amadeo | I like some of the PC vs Mac ads |
| 20:03.33 | Tain | They're good ads, but they miss the target. |
| 20:03.42 | Amadeo | In one of them, PC actually owns Mac, I thought it was hilarious |
| 20:03.44 | Tain | People like the PC guy and find the Mac guy a smug twit. |
| 20:03.49 | Amadeo | Yep |
| 20:03.55 | Amadeo | PC guy rocks |
| 20:03.57 | malreth | tain: they're not targeted at you, then. :) |
| 20:04.00 | Tain | He's no longer doing the ads by the way, the Mac guy. |
| 20:04.07 | Amadeo | That's the problem, malreth |
| 20:04.10 | Adrine | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/12 |
| 20:04.19 | Amadeo | The Mac ads are targetted at the Apple zealots |
| 20:04.21 | Amadeo | But they already like Apple |
| 20:04.23 | Amadeo | so it's pointless |
| 20:04.37 | ckknight | the ads are funny, but the mac was a total douchebag. |
| 20:04.48 | malreth | Amadeo: my fiancee isn't a zealot... she just finds them funny |
| 20:04.49 | `-FISKER_Q | what else is new? |
| 20:04.52 | Amadeo | Steve *lives* to bash Microsoft |
| 20:05.00 | Amadeo | Every speech, he's bashing |
| 20:05.04 | Amadeo | All the commercials are bashing |
| 20:05.11 | Amadeo | and most of them are unfounded anyway |
| 20:05.16 | thalie | it doesn't get him anywhere |
| 20:05.17 | Amadeo | Sure, MS stole from Apple |
| 20:05.19 | Amadeo | Apple also stole from MS |
| 20:05.24 | malreth | she's a normal computer user... she just plays wow and watches videos that she downloads on bittorrent |
| 20:05.26 | thalie | and everyone stole from xerox parc |
| 20:05.27 | Srosh | Steve (the other) lives on crack |
| 20:05.29 | thalie | who cares |
| 20:05.41 | Amadeo | malreth: Yeah, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in here |
| 20:05.44 | Amadeo | Just in general |
| 20:05.56 | Tain | I only point one finger at everyone in here. |
| 20:05.57 | Amadeo | I like current Macs |
| 20:06.10 | JoshBorke | Tain: even me? :-( |
| 20:06.29 | Tain | I actually did look at a Macbook, but couldn't justify the cost. |
| 20:07.04 | Tain | I ended up getting comparible hardware in a Dell laptop for half the price of what it would have been for a Macbook |
| 20:07.51 | malreth | that's nice |
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| 20:08.06 | tekcub | yea I think net stop/net start might work |
| 20:08.09 | *** join/#wowace Neronix (i=neronix@user-5445241b.lns4-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 20:08.11 | Amadeo | There's only one thing keeping me from another OS...software |
| 20:08.13 | Mikma | i'm gonna try DUB now !!! |
| 20:08.17 | Mikma | !! |
| 20:08.41 | Xuerian | Dub? wtf? |
| 20:08.49 | Mikma | www.discordmods.com/DUB.zip |
| 20:08.55 | Amadeo | OSX has some good software, all the basics are covered...professional stuff is covered...but I worry about future games and stuff |
| 20:08.55 | Mikma | ui builder |
| 20:09.11 | Tain | Down with Dub! I didn't vote for him! |
| 20:09.12 | malreth | Amadeo: other than WoW? what do you need? |
| 20:09.16 | malreth | :D |
| 20:09.19 | Amadeo | haha |
| 20:09.20 | Mikma | oH NOES! i can't |
| 20:09.22 | Amadeo | Well |
| 20:09.26 | Amadeo | With DX10 coming out and all |
| 20:09.27 | Mikma | TBC is down :P |
| 20:09.29 | malreth | get an xbox for whatever else |
| 20:10.08 | Xuerian | Mikma: 2.0 only? |
| 20:10.23 | Tain | Final Fantasy XII |
| 20:10.33 | malreth | or PS2 |
| 20:10.48 | *** part/#wowace Kyahx|afk (n=kyahx@144.13.213.102) |
| 20:10.51 | Amadeo | This is my favorite Mac ad |
| 20:10.53 | Amadeo | http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/counselor_480x376.mov |
| 20:10.56 | Amadeo | PC owning Mac |
| 20:10.57 | Amadeo | haha |
| 20:11.18 | Mikma | Xuerian: no idea |
| 20:12.03 | malreth | actually, TBC was just canceled... blizzard conceded the MMO race to Vanguard |
| 20:12.09 | Amadeo | haha |
| 20:12.21 | Amadeo | Vanguard can't run smoothly enough to win the race yet |
| 20:12.40 | malreth | clearly the superior game |
| 20:12.45 | Mikma | "don't be so hard on yourself" |
| 20:13.17 | ckknight | anyone else follow the whole Novell/MS recent issue? |
| 20:13.55 | Mikma | no |
| 20:14.17 | Xuerian | One-line summary? |
| 20:14.17 | ckknight | apparently they signed a contract saying they wouldn't sue each other |
| 20:14.30 | ckknight | so now the fanbois have gotten their panties in a bunch because of it. |
| 20:14.36 | Xuerian | 0.o |
| 20:14.37 | Baps | ckknight: lots of discussion at www.groklaw.com |
| 20:14.54 | Xuerian | Why WOULD they be suing eachother? <.< |
| 20:14.57 | ckknight | I don't see what's so bad about it, really. |
| 20:15.01 | Baps | xuerian: patents |
| 20:15.08 | ckknight | Xuerian, they have conflicting patent portfolios |
| 20:15.10 | Xuerian | Ah |
| 20:15.20 | Baps | depending on how the contract reads between them, Novell might not be able to distribute Linux under the GPL anymore |
| 20:15.24 | Baps | which is why it's a concern |
| 20:15.27 | Xuerian | The only bad thing about it I can see, is I don't get to see them roast eachother |
| 20:15.44 | ckknight | Baps, mmm... how? |
| 20:15.52 | Amadeo | malreth: Vanguard framerate, on Brad McQuaid's computer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTgLj5VmWPU |
| 20:15.58 | ckknight | why couldn't they? |
| 20:16.12 | Baps | section 7 of the GPL. if it's not sublicensable, they can't distribute unde the GPL at all |
| 20:17.03 | ckknight | ah, but it is sublicensable, it's just that the patent protection doesn't go with the sublicense |
| 20:17.12 | ckknight | and the patent issue is separate from GPL anyway |
| 20:17.15 | ckknight | so it's nonconflicting |
| 20:17.18 | Baps | all rights novell has have to be sublicensable |
| 20:17.34 | Baps | read the section again, go check groklaw, read eben morgan's statements |
| 20:17.43 | Mikma | Amadeo: NICE! |
| 20:17.43 | Baps | he's the lawyer that drafted the GPLv2 |
| 20:17.55 | Amadeo | Mikma: hahah |
| 20:18.15 | Baps | depending on the exact wording of the agreement between MS and Novell, Novell may be in violation of the GPL |
| 20:18.22 | Amadeo | Vanguard has some great ideas, it's sad that the game runs so bad |
| 20:18.28 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:18.32 | Tain | That's how you develop games though. |
| 20:18.34 | ckknight | oh well, we'll see how it turns out. |
| 20:18.42 | Tain | You have to aim for the future. |
| 20:18.49 | Amadeo | Tain: Don't say that...the game already has awful graphics to begin with, it's not future-proofing :P |
| 20:19.01 | Amadeo | Besides, just upgrade the engine in expansions |
| 20:19.35 | Amadeo | It's much better to have a game that everyone can run than a game nobody can |
| 20:19.53 | Tain | The idea is that by the time the game is actually released the current hardware will run it ok. |
| 20:20.03 | Amadeo | If WoW had EQ2's engine, it would have dived just like EQ2 did |
| 20:20.42 | Amadeo | Tain: But the definition of current isn't one build, unless you mean that by March or so when Vanguard is out...the $6000 PCs will run it fine :) |
| 20:20.43 | kaiden | eq2 dove because of the quality of the game.. |
| 20:20.50 | Tain | Nah, EQ wouldn't matter the engine. |
| 20:20.55 | Tain | EQ2 that is. |
| 20:21.00 | kaiden | my machine can handle eq2 at full quality and i hated it |
| 20:21.05 | ckknight | I like WoW's cartoony feel. |
| 20:21.08 | Amadeo | I'm not saing it's the only reason |
| 20:21.10 | Tain | Actually I still thing EQ2 was doomed from the beginning. |
| 20:21.13 | ckknight | and I like that it runs on my laptop. |
| 20:21.19 | kaiden | agree'd Tain |
| 20:21.21 | Baps | the original EQ graphics engine was horrid |
| 20:21.21 | Amadeo | I'm just saying that there are 7.5 million people who play WoW, and out of 7.5 million people, I bet 1 million can play EQ2 |
| 20:21.26 | nevcairiel | yeah, the wow grafics are great, cartoonish-fantasy feel |
| 20:21.43 | Baps | resource intensive, piggishly slow, not particularly pretty |
| 20:21.59 | Amadeo | If WoW had that engine, it wouldn't be as popular as it is |
| 20:21.59 | ckknight | my sister-in-law loves WoW's cartoony feel, if it didn't have it, she'd be unable to play cause the undead scare her. |
| 20:22.08 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:22.15 | haste | my laptops soundcard is broken :( |
| 20:22.16 | Amadeo | ckknight: Did you remind her that you are a Paladin in real life? |
| 20:22.21 | ckknight | ... |
| 20:22.26 | haste | so when I talk, it gets a fan sound going up and down in the background |
| 20:22.37 | ckknight | I'm being serious, it's a serious issue and I'm glad WoW is the way it is |
| 20:22.45 | haste | comment in-game was: It sounds like your jacking off a horse in the background when you talk |
| 20:22.48 | Tain | There's no way to say for sure of course, but I don't think WoW's success has anything to do with the graphics. |
| 20:22.49 | Mikma | gnomes <3 |
| 20:23.05 | Baps | tain: I think it's part of it |
| 20:23.12 | Amadeo | Tain: I'm not talking about the way it looks, but rather the ability to run the game on a wide variety of hardware |
| 20:23.21 | Amadeo | I know a lot of people who run WoW on a crappy laptop |
| 20:23.21 | Baps | the whole feel and look and style of the game is certainly a factor |
| 20:23.52 | ckknight | if WoW wasn't able to run on crappy computers, I bet there'd be a _lot_ less people playing WoW |
| 20:23.57 | Amadeo | If EQ2 was the best game in the world, you still need a $2000 computer to really enjoy it |
| 20:24.05 | Amadeo | Yeah, it would be dramatic |
| 20:24.34 | Mikma | Amadeo: <- crappy laptop :) |
| 20:24.35 | Amadeo | Developers don't look at that anymore, they just want to future proof everything..I don't know why they don't just upgrade the engine in expansions |
| 20:24.48 | Amadeo | They did that fine with EQ...did well in DAoC |
| 20:25.18 | Amadeo | Now Vanguard has some 6km draw distance, which isn't going to cut it on my PC for sure |
| 20:25.23 | Adrine | The graphics have played a part in WoW's success, I think. It has a charm that makes it immediately warm to people who aren't otherwise gamers, it runs on low-end systems, and as ckknight said, cartoony undead make it playable for people like my wife. :) |
| 20:25.43 | ckknight | women are frightened by the undead. |
| 20:26.02 | [Cu]Werik | They play pink tailed female gnome warriors |
| 20:26.05 | Adrine | I think non-gamers are frightened by the undead, unless they're avid horror movie buffs or something. |
| 20:26.15 | Mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.16 | Adrine | We've been desensitized by years of DOOM. |
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| 20:26.27 | ckknight | [Cu]Werik, night elf, actually |
| 20:26.35 | [Cu]Werik | Or that |
| 20:26.48 | Amadeo | Mikma: My idea, a long time ago...was that when an Undead player used Will of the Forsaken, they would become "Undead" for that period, so people could use those types of spells on them |
| 20:26.49 | Grine | gnomes with ponytails ftw |
| 20:27.04 | Amadeo | Back when WoTF was 30 seconds long |
| 20:27.11 | [Cu]Werik | Paladins would have raped undead players then |
| 20:27.14 | Grine | we lost our old MT... she had pink ponytails :P |
| 20:27.17 | [Cu]Werik | in 2 seconds |
| 20:27.20 | Amadeo | [Cu]Werik: It's a trade off |
| 20:27.26 | Amadeo | instead of being the most overpowered racial in the game |
| 20:27.28 | [Cu]Werik | It was so good back in beta |
| 20:27.31 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 20:27.45 | [Cu]Werik | exocrish, holy wrath crusader strike consecration and walk away |
| 20:27.49 | [Cu]Werik | :P |
| 20:28.00 | Amadeo | hehe |
| 20:28.14 | Amadeo | I can't wait to level up a BE Priest |
| 20:28.18 | haste | buffing up for Loatheb, and a warlock manages to do the Darkmoon fair armor buff :D |
| 20:28.29 | Adrine | Hahahah |
| 20:28.32 | Mikma | haste: new skill? |
| 20:28.39 | haste | Mikma: oro? |
| 20:28.58 | malreth | January 16 |
| 20:29.01 | Mikma | haste: he has got a new skill somewhere? :D |
| 20:29.08 | haste | no? :o |
| 20:29.13 | Mikma | "Darkmoon fair armor buff rank1" |
| 20:29.29 | haste | fortune teller in darkmoon fair |
| 20:29.36 | haste | gives +10% buffs of X |
| 20:29.44 | Mikma | yes |
| 20:29.44 | steino | faire! |
| 20:29.51 | Mikma | and? |
| 20:29.52 | steino | 10% armor |
| 20:29.53 | haste | and instead of stamina/damage, he took armor :D |
| 20:29.53 | steino | warlock |
| 20:29.54 | Mikma | how can warlock buff that? |
| 20:29.55 | steino | loahteb |
| 20:29.56 | ckknight | the BE priest racials kinda suck. |
| 20:30.04 | nevcairiel | lolatheb :) |
| 20:30.07 | Amadeo | ckknight: They do |
| 20:30.07 | Mikma | ah-ha! so you meant that |
| 20:30.19 | ckknight | draenei's are good, though |
| 20:30.26 | Mikma | i thought he bugged and buffed an armorbuff or so |
| 20:30.27 | ckknight | another fear ward |
| 20:30.32 | Amadeo | ckknight: The bonus is that you don't have to deal with Undead too much, and you can remove Disease anyway |
| 20:30.35 | [Cu]Werik | What's the be priest racial? |
| 20:30.49 | Mikma | i didn't understand the draenei racial heal :P |
| 20:30.49 | ckknight | deal with undead? |
| 20:30.55 | nevcairiel | antifear wont be that important in the future, as stated by the blues |
| 20:30.58 | ckknight | Mikma, what's not to understand? |
| 20:31.06 | ckknight | nevcairiel, hrm, okay |
| 20:31.10 | Mikma | ckknight: HoT with 1,5 sec cast? |
| 20:31.17 | Amadeo | ckknight: Yeah, since Blood Elves are Horde also...for PvP stuff |
| 20:31.22 | ckknight | very powerful HoT |
| 20:31.25 | ckknight | that everyone can use |
| 20:31.32 | ckknight | even Warriors and hunters and mages |
| 20:31.35 | Amadeo | It heals for like 1200-ish |
| 20:31.43 | Amadeo | at 70 |
| 20:31.46 | Mikma | ckknight: oh right |
| 20:31.52 | Amadeo | great for melee |
| 20:32.00 | Mikma | i thought it was some shaman-thing but... |
| 20:32.18 | Mikma | if it's all draenei then.. |
| 20:32.44 | Mikma | anyway, 69.99e CE |
| 20:33.14 | [Cu]Werik | 1/8 of a Gf 8800 gtx |
| 20:33.15 | [Cu]Werik | :p |
| 20:33.19 | Amadeo | lol |
| 20:33.29 | Amadeo | Doex the 8800 GTX support DX10? |
| 20:33.33 | [Cu]Werik | oh ye |
| 20:33.33 | Amadeo | Does.. |
| 20:33.46 | [Cu]Werik | and unified shader4 |
| 20:33.50 | Amadeo | nice |
| 20:33.53 | Amadeo | buy me one? |
| 20:33.59 | [Cu]Werik | and like 70% faster than the ati flagship:) |
| 20:34.30 | Amadeo | Wow, US is only getting 400,000 PS3's for the lauch |
| 20:34.34 | Amadeo | Japan is getting 100,000 |
| 20:34.53 | malreth | playstation? more like gaystation... :p |
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| 20:36.26 | [FH]Birdemani | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1252686&postId=12319103&sid=1#0 |
| 20:36.51 | Grine | what's that for 69.99? :P |
| 20:37.11 | Mikma | Grine: collectors edition |
| 20:37.15 | Grine | ah |
| 20:37.35 | Grine | hope EB Games in gothenburg get them ;) |
| 20:37.37 | Srosh | Blizz knows how to milk the cow |
| 20:37.49 | Grine | I need the nether whelp.. |
| 20:38.31 | Mikma | so, we're getting lvl70 |
| 20:39.53 | Amadeo | "In an interview with India's Economic Times, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has taken things a step further and said Microsoft would "love" to make similar deals with other Linux vendors, such as RedHat." |
| 20:40.24 | Amadeo | http://news.com.com/Ballmer+Microsofts+open+to+more+Linux+deals/2100-7344_3-6133968.html?tag=nefd.top |
| 20:40.44 | Xuerian | Why is that raising a few million red flags in my head <_< |
| 20:41.09 | ckknight | new patch: 2.0.2.6108 |
| 20:41.59 | Amadeo | I guess I'll download it |
| 20:42.02 | Amadeo | in case I do get a key one day |
| 20:43.01 | ckknight | 12.9 MiB |
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| 20:43.53 | Srosh | patch includes level 70, flying mounts, half-finished blade's edge, finished netherstorm, partly finished tempest keep and then some more |
| 20:44.09 | Amadeo | wow |
| 20:44.15 | Amadeo | now just save up 5000g |
| 20:44.56 | Srosh | well, for the normal one 1000g is enough |
| 20:45.05 | Srosh | don't need to go epic, do you? :p |
| 20:45.18 | nevcairiel | meh, my char only has like 800 |
| 20:45.24 | Amadeo | yeah, you always need epic for PvP |
| 20:45.49 | Adrine | Wow! Nice! |
| 20:46.07 | Mikma | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=36974868&sid=1 |
| 20:46.35 | mjc | nevcairiel: rich little sloot, I have like 100 among 3 chars :P |
| 20:46.51 | Amadeo | Mikma: I liked the old BEs |
| 20:46.53 | Adrine | 1500, because I'm a chronic Auctioneer user. >_> |
| 20:47.02 | Srosh | I don't think flying's gonna be big in PVP, tho' it's still unclear how it'll work |
| 20:47.06 | thalie | the normal flying mount is 1000? i can handle that |
| 20:47.20 | thalie | bosses better start dropping more money though because a lot of people won't be able to get one |
| 20:47.22 | Mikma | Amadeo: i didn't even see em |
| 20:47.25 | nevcairiel | well if i am 70, i can still borrow some money and copy another char |
| 20:47.50 | Srosh | ye, the 'old' models were better |
| 20:47.53 | Amadeo | Mikma: It should be on that page |
| 20:48.38 | Srosh | it's like they forced their artists to make them less... good |
| 20:48.56 | Srosh | so they better fit their overall bulky top body model |
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| 20:50.18 | Amadeo | women probably wanted it :P |
| 20:50.19 | Laric | I see there is a new patch... 6108 |
| 20:50.39 | Mikma | Amadeo: only men got changed? |
| 20:50.44 | Amadeo | Mikma: I think so |
| 20:50.51 | Amadeo | I forgot to look at the women |
| 20:50.55 | Amadeo | since I don't play female chars |
| 20:51.09 | eternally777 | Is Cedega any better for WoW on Linux? |
| 20:51.14 | eternally777 | Or is Wine just fine? |
| 20:51.15 | Srosh | iirc they only changed the faces and haircuts a bit over the course of the beta |
| 20:51.40 | Industrial | yay I found a friend |
| 20:51.49 | Industrial | that isnt afraid of running me throuch DM/VC |
| 20:51.57 | Industrial | and ill run him too \o/ |
| 20:51.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:52.03 | Industrial | WC/VC* |
| 20:52.07 | thalie | indy how's your priest |
| 20:52.08 | thalie | ;) |
| 20:52.17 | mjc | Industrial: my gf and I would run you through :) |
| 20:52.25 | mjc | eternally777: I think wine would do fine |
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| 20:52.40 | Laric | anyone have any idea on how long the beta servers are down during a patch? |
| 20:53.01 | eternally777 | 6hrs |
| 20:53.19 | mjc | 99 yrs |
| 20:53.45 | thalie | until january 16 ;) heh |
| 20:53.45 | Mikma | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=580348&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 20:53.46 | Mikma | heh |
| 20:54.02 | Mikma | some dude has got his name for BE Paladin trainer |
| 20:54.18 | Kirkburn | Yeah, Bachi, no? |
| 20:54.22 | Mikma | yes |
| 20:55.07 | phyber | what's so great about it? |
| 20:55.19 | phyber | or, who was Bachi? |
| 20:55.19 | nevcairiel | i think its some dev |
| 20:55.28 | Kirkburn | First BE guy to 67 |
| 20:55.34 | thalie | got his be to 67 |
| 20:55.34 | nevcairiel | or that |
| 20:55.37 | thalie | yeah |
| 20:55.50 | phyber | ahh |
| 20:55.50 | Kirkburn | He also been a v good at being a tester |
| 20:55.51 | phyber | ok :) |
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| 20:56.31 | Mikma | http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f283/merune/beta%20crusade/Bachi.jpg |
| 20:56.37 | Mikma | they say that the trainer even looks like him |
| 20:56.45 | thalie | http://www.dotd.org/files/bachi.jpg |
| 20:56.46 | thalie | he does |
| 20:57.15 | Mikma | :D |
| 20:57.29 | ckknight | who is Bachi? |
| 20:57.37 | thalie | BE pally, first to level to 67 |
| 20:57.38 | ckknight | ah, hrm |
| 20:57.39 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:57.43 | ckknight | fair enough. |
| 20:57.46 | ckknight | wow |
| 20:57.59 | ckknight | he which has no life |
| 20:58.02 | thalie | heh |
| 20:58.05 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:58.29 | Mikma | wait wait, there was a picture of him |
| 20:58.53 | thalie | i just posted one with him standing beside his named trainer |
| 20:59.03 | Mikma | http://www.ironjackals.net/images/zoom/OPJIRC/bachi_1.jpg |
| 20:59.06 | Mikma | there |
| 20:59.11 | thalie | bahahah |
| 20:59.23 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:59.35 | ckknight | hehe |
| 21:00.47 | Amadeo | Any bets he gets a job at Blizzard? |
| 21:00.57 | Mikma | nope |
| 21:00.57 | thalie | for having his buddies powerlevel him |
| 21:01.06 | Amadeo | That's how it works |
| 21:01.20 | Amadeo | Look at Tigole and Foror :P |
| 21:01.37 | nymbia | how do you mean? |
| 21:01.47 | Amadeo | Foror was just an EQ raider |
| 21:02.09 | Neronix | s/o/u/ |
| 21:02.11 | Amadeo | he became buddy-buddy with Brad McQuaid, since his guild did all the stuff in EQ first |
| 21:02.12 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 21:02.15 | Amadeo | it's Foror now though isn't it? |
| 21:02.29 | Neronix | Tigole was the leader of one of the best EQ guilds |
| 21:02.36 | Amadeo | right |
| 21:02.45 | Amadeo | and now they work at Blizzard for it |
| 21:02.48 | Neronix | It's Foror in Blizzy's ingame references |
| 21:02.58 | Amadeo | I thought he changed his name there |
| 21:03.00 | Amadeo | I see |
| 21:03.03 | Neronix | Tigule is Tigole's equivelant |
| 21:03.05 | Tain | That's not true at all Amadeo |
| 21:03.23 | JoshBorke | and here i thought they were hired because of their knowledge of mmorpgs |
| 21:03.24 | nymbia | tigole's worked a blizzard for a very, very long time iirc. |
| 21:03.25 | Tain | Foror drive his guild to do things first. |
| 21:03.35 | Amadeo | Tain: With hacks and exploits? |
| 21:03.45 | Tain | Sometimes yes. |
| 21:04.16 | Tain | Although mostly they were just the first guild to make raiding a priority. |
| 21:04.25 | Amadeo | Yeah, they were a beta guild |
| 21:05.06 | Tain | I started playing EQ the weekend of retail release on Veeshan. I saw FoH from the beginning there in EQ. |
| 21:05.11 | Amadeo | But I think he's a hindrance to Blizzard class balance |
| 21:06.16 | Amadeo | I didn't play on Veeshan, but I started EQ in phase 4 beta and was in the FoH IRC channel when they had about 10 people :P |
| 21:06.30 | Industrial | mjc: what server, us? :P |
| 21:06.35 | ckknight | downloaded the patch |
| 21:06.43 | ckknight | needed to turn off Peer-to-peer to do so, though |
| 21:07.03 | Mikma | downloading update |
| 21:07.14 | mjc | Industrial: you already have a char on my server ;) |
| 21:07.18 | mjc | magtheridon, us. |
| 21:07.31 | Amadeo | Tain: The problem I see is that Furor has a preconceived idea for some classes, such as Warriors |
| 21:07.35 | nymbia | 15%, but its not like there's a rush, it'll be a bit til the servers are up |
| 21:07.37 | Amadeo | He wants them to be tanks, that's it |
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| 21:07.39 | Tain | I don't think he has anything to do with it. |
| 21:07.55 | Adrine | Amadeo: Well, by the looks of things, he hasn't gotten his way. |
| 21:08.05 | Amadeo | I saw someone post a conversation they had with him on IRC, and he was talking about it |
| 21:08.11 | Amadeo | Yeah, I believe so also |
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| 21:08.29 | Amadeo | Warrior without a shield in TBC is a dead Warrior |
| 21:08.46 | Tain | He talks about it, but you don't really see him actually impact things. |
| 21:08.47 | Mikma | i still hate Secure-craps |
| 21:08.53 | Adrine | I guess I'll find out when I get my warrior transferred :) |
| 21:08.59 | Amadeo | Tain: Unless you use the expansion as an example |
| 21:09.02 | JoshBorke | Mikma: lol |
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| 21:09.11 | Tain | I think he's really just kept employed so he won't complain about WoW. |
| 21:09.16 | Amadeo | Rage Normalization, Spell Reflect (Shield), etc |
| 21:09.19 | Amadeo | Tain: hahaha |
| 21:09.27 | Amadeo | it's possible |
| 21:09.40 | Adrine | Rage gen needed some kind of nerf, though I think it went too hard. |
| 21:09.40 | Amadeo | I bet I know why Brad didn't hire him |
| 21:09.43 | Adrine | Err, went too far. |
| 21:09.47 | Amadeo | They're both so hard-headed that they'd conflict too much |
| 21:09.50 | Adrine | Spell |
| 21:10.00 | Adrine | Spell Reflect is hawtness and you'd have to be crazy to complain about it |
| 21:10.19 | Amadeo | Adrine: Rage Normalization destroyed 2H |
| 21:10.22 | Adrine | I know. |
| 21:10.35 | Adrine | As I said, I think it went too far. |
| 21:10.41 | Amadeo | Spell Reflect is awesome, but I imagine that 4 months after release..it'll suck, people can just counter it |
| 21:10.52 | Adrine | But the "damage begets damage" mechanic was broken in its pre-TBC state |
| 21:11.10 | Amadeo | Frost Nova, Warrior goes Defensive, you start casting Rank 1 spell, Warrior uses reflect |
| 21:11.13 | Amadeo | wasted |
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| 21:11.39 | Amadeo | Nothing tells you what rank spell they're casting |
| 21:11.44 | Adrine | Amadeo: You're talking to someone whose main is a rogue with Cloak of Shadows, and while it's been buffed, I get a 90% resist for 5 sec every 3 minutes :P |
| 21:12.01 | Amadeo | Adrine: That has nothing to do with Spell Reflect :P |
| 21:12.02 | Adrine | The DOT-strip is really nice though. |
| 21:12.16 | Adrine | No, but it's a similar mechanic. Point being that casters can "waste" my CoS in a similar manner |
| 21:12.24 | Amadeo | but here's another example |
| 21:12.30 | Adrine | Except my cooldown is 18 times longer |
| 21:12.35 | Amadeo | Ice Lance, or whatever the spell is called...gets bonuses on frozen targets, etc |
| 21:12.43 | Amadeo | So Ice Lance on a Warrior is 2000+ damage |
| 21:12.52 | Amadeo | you reflect it, it hits the Mage for 200-ish? |
| 21:13.01 | Adrine | But it keeps you from taking 2k damage. |
| 21:13.03 | Adrine | There's the power. |
| 21:13.08 | Tem|AFK | only if you're frozen, it crits, and the mage has VERY good gear |
| 21:13.09 | Adrine | Not as an offensive ability - that's just icing. |
| 21:13.18 | Amadeo | Tem|AFK: Greens are very good gear in TBC though |
| 21:13.30 | Tem|AFK | not good enough to make icelance crit for 2k |
| 21:13.32 | Amadeo | Adrine: Rank 1 defeats Spell Reflect, imo |
| 21:13.46 | Adrine | Amadeo: Sure, but that takes time that the freeze is ticking off. |
| 21:13.51 | vhaarr | ckknight: did you get my X-Credits patches? |
| 21:13.57 | haste | Loatheb + Tank disconnecting on buffed attempt = win |
| 21:13.58 | ckknight | vhaarr, no |
| 21:13.58 | haste | :( |
| 21:14.13 | Adrine | They see Spell Alert go up, stop their current cast, start a new R1 cast, cast it, and then have to start their "big" cast again. |
| 21:14.19 | vhaarr | ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/2283 http://ace.pastey.net/2284 |
| 21:14.21 | Amadeo | Adrine: Your Sword and Board will take a week to kill a Mage with high HP, so now you have to switch to 2H...wait, no...not enough rage, switch to two 1H weapons...wait for the global cooldown... :P |
| 21:14.23 | DrDre | is cloak of shadows learnable now? |
| 21:14.32 | DrDre | i dun even see it in the tree lol |
| 21:14.45 | nymbia | yup |
| 21:14.47 | haste | DrDre: L66 |
| 21:14.53 | DrDre | sweet |
| 21:14.58 | Adrine | You can weaponswap to a shield for spell reflect when you need to. It's going to be a tactical defensive maneuver, not an offensive one. |
| 21:14.58 | Amadeo | Adrine: I don't think it's even that difficult...if you see a Warrior go into Defensive Stance, you know they're about to reflect |
| 21:15.00 | Tem|AFK | the cloth greens I've seen might be good enough to get a 1500 ice lance crit |
| 21:15.03 | DrDre | it sure wasnt worth 41 pts lol |
| 21:15.03 | Tem|AFK | **maybe** |
| 21:15.18 | Amadeo | Adrine: Global Cooldown on item swapping will make that too difficult |
| 21:15.43 | Adrine | Not really. I weapon swapped/shield bashed my way through levelling before I got pummel and it works just fine. |
| 21:15.50 | Mikma | Tem|AFK: you have any idea can the blizzard original buttons be reused in TBC? |
| 21:15.52 | Amadeo | Frost Nova, you swap to Shield...by the time GC is up, you've already been Lanced |
| 21:16.09 | Tem|AFK | Mikma, I wouldn't suggest it, no |
| 21:16.17 | Adrine | 1.5 sec, and you're assuming the mage isn't going to move to get a bit out of range, which does take time |
| 21:16.19 | Tem|AFK | they aren't SecureActionButtons |
| 21:16.23 | Adrine | And mages have GCs, too |
| 21:16.24 | Tem|AFK | they are normal ActionButtons |
| 21:16.38 | Amadeo | Adrine: But they're ahead of you, because you're reacting based on what they do |
| 21:16.44 | Amadeo | So it's your reaction time + GC |
| 21:16.57 | Tem|AFK | think of it like this, don't expect to beat a mage any more than you do now |
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| 21:17.03 | nymbia | spell reflect is 25 rage anyway... |
| 21:17.07 | Tem|AFK | they only nerfed mages where they were already weak |
| 21:17.07 | Mikma | Tem|AFK: what did you do to help the Secure-code to happen? you are credited in the files :) |
| 21:17.14 | Amadeo | I think BAD Mages will get destroyed by Spell Reflect, honestly |
| 21:17.16 | vhaarr | ckknight: Also, it seems FBP-2.0 sometimes tries do :Update() before the addons OnEnable() has been called, is that a bug or deliberate? |
| 21:17.18 | Tem|AFK | Mikma, I wrote some of it |
| 21:17.20 | Amadeo | and good Mages will sho Warriors how it's worthless |
| 21:17.23 | Amadeo | show |
| 21:17.28 | ckknight | bug, probably. |
| 21:17.32 | vhaarr | okay |
| 21:17.41 | Adrine | I don't think it's worthless. It just won't be a primary tactic against good mages. |
| 21:17.44 | Mikma | Tem|AFK: then, you know where can i find a complete documentation / examples of the buttons? |
| 21:17.46 | Amadeo | nymbia: Yeah, high rage cost |
| 21:17.49 | Tem|AFK | in the code |
| 21:17.58 | vhaarr | I found out what caused it a few days ago, but I've forgotten now. |
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| 21:18.07 | Adrine | I mean, it's like a fire reflector with stupid mages now |
| 21:18.15 | Amadeo | To be honest, I'm probably just going Protection in TBC...I know Furor will want it anyway :P |
| 21:18.40 | Tem|AFK | warriors with good gear will always be able to tear through mages |
| 21:18.44 | Amadeo | except nobody knows when you'll use the fire reflector, or if you even have it |
| 21:18.44 | Tem|AFK | even in the expansion |
| 21:18.51 | Adrine | My rogue is an engineer, and I kill time dueling outside IF sometimes. The FR trinket is a ton of fun to use on pyro mages. |
| 21:18.58 | Adrine | But the good ones just stop casting while the buff is up. |
| 21:19.08 | Tem|AFK | I switch schools |
| 21:19.10 | Adrine | I just don't rely on it for the fight. |
| 21:19.11 | Amadeo | you can use FR while the spell is in the air |
| 21:19.16 | Amadeo | you can't do that with Spell Reflect |
| 21:19.22 | Adrine | You positive? |
| 21:19.24 | Amadeo | Yep |
| 21:19.25 | Tem|AFK | sure you can |
| 21:19.27 | Amadeo | no |
| 21:19.29 | Tem|AFK | ? |
| 21:19.33 | Amadeo | It has to be done before the cast is finished on |
| 21:19.35 | Amadeo | the enemy |
| 21:19.43 | Adrine | That seems odd. |
| 21:19.49 | Amadeo | It was a big discussion on the forums |
| 21:19.52 | vhaarr | ckknight: AceModuleCore line 199 (TBC): s/fireed/fired/ |
| 21:20.06 | Tem|AFK | doesn't matter really |
| 21:20.13 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r16523 10Ace2/AceAddon-2.0/AceAddon-2.0.lua: .AceAddon-2.0 - added credits, thanks vhaarr |
| 21:20.13 | Adrine | http://thottbot.com/beta?sp=23920 |
| 21:20.13 | Amadeo | it makes it much worse |
| 21:20.15 | Adrine | http://thottbot.com/beta?sp=23097 |
| 21:20.23 | Amadeo | If I could use it while Pyro is flying at me, it would rock |
| 21:20.24 | Adrine | Same mechanic, but the FR is school-limited. |
| 21:20.26 | DrDre | antagonist makerh ere >_>? I was getting some nil errors when enemys casted spells sometimes in BG but ive logged out dun got error line >< |
| 21:20.26 | nymbia | some, if not all, of the calculations for a travel-time cast are mage when the cast is fired. for instance, if someone resists my frostbite, i see the message for it the instant the bolt leaves my hands. |
| 21:20.26 | Tem|AFK | you can turn on the casting bars |
| 21:20.26 | ckknight | fuck, gtg |
| 21:20.36 | Amadeo | Tem|AFK: But the bars don't tell you what rank is being cast |
| 21:20.36 | Tem|AFK | and hit it right before it finishes casting |
| 21:20.41 | Adrine | I'll do some testing once my warrior is transferred and levelled. |
| 21:20.47 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TBC * r16524 10Ace2/Ace2/AceModuleCore-2.0/AceModuleCore-2.0.lua: .AceModuleCore-2.0 - fireed -> fired |
| 21:20.49 | Tem|AFK | the info is present though, iirc |
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| 21:21.04 | Tem|AFK | (or maybe rank info is only on the caster's side) |
| 21:21.15 | Amadeo | if I were a Mage...as soon as a Warrior went Defensive after I have him in Nova, I'd just cast a low rank spell |
| 21:21.20 | Amadeo | he'd reflect it, waste 25 rage, then he's done for |
| 21:21.23 | JoshBorke | rank (i'm pretty sure) is only available on the caster's side |
| 21:21.39 | Adrine | No more done for than he would be now. *shrug* |
| 21:21.39 | Amadeo | Tem|AFK: It would be nice if it could be displayed :) |
| 21:21.50 | Amadeo | Adrine: 25 rage is a ton with rage normalization :) |
| 21:21.50 | Tem|AFK | I recall seeing it as a return or arg for one of the functions or event |
| 21:21.54 | Tem|AFK | I just don't remember which |
| 21:22.04 | Adrine | Assuming that the warrior just dumbly burns reflect, sure. |
| 21:22.06 | JoshBorke | UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT |
| 21:22.14 | JoshBorke | and UnitCastingInfo just so you know |
| 21:22.21 | Amadeo | but how do you know what's being cast? you just have to guess |
| 21:22.24 | Adrine | If you're fighting a good mage, let 'em pop you with that rank 1 you expect to be coming, then reflect. |
| 21:22.29 | Adrine | Sure, but so does the mage. |
| 21:22.34 | Amadeo | if Spell Alert said, "Rank 1 Frostbolt" it would be easy |
| 21:22.43 | Adrine | People settle into routines. |
| 21:22.53 | Adrine | Give it 3 months and mages will have a "defensive, rank 1 frostbolt" routine. |
| 21:22.57 | phyber | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6007-Nexii.html |
| 21:23.00 | Adrine | So then warriors can adapt to that. |
| 21:23.02 | Amadeo | I do hope you're right |
| 21:23.20 | Amadeo | I just think that the Warrior changes in general were very sub-par, and spell reflect was supposed to be the big thing |
| 21:23.21 | Adrine | Plus, there's always a chance that the rank 1 will break the freeze. *grin* |
| 21:23.36 | Amadeo | haha |
| 21:23.39 | haste | this hurts |
| 21:23.44 | haste | clicking away a titan buff :() |
| 21:23.46 | Amadeo | I don't know, Blizzard nerfed that too |
| 21:23.49 | Amadeo | so Rank 1's will do less damage |
| 21:23.50 | Adrine | ....ouch, Haste |
| 21:23.59 | vhaarr | haste: Please, just make an addon to prevent it right away. |
| 21:24.10 | haste | vhaarr: no, I have too :p |
| 21:24.12 | Adrine | Worst comes to worst, you can just defensive and knock 10% off of the incoming spell damage. |
| 21:24.17 | Adrine | I mean, that's not shabby. |
| 21:24.21 | haste | can't have 8200 HP on Patchwork as a Rogue ^^; |
| 21:24.29 | Adrine | Get Loatheb? |
| 21:24.30 | JoshBorke | evasion tanking ftw! |
| 21:24.35 | haste | Adrine: tank disconnected |
| 21:24.37 | Adrine | Slime bath! |
| 21:24.39 | Adrine | Oh, ouch. |
| 21:25.07 | Amadeo | Adrine: If you look at all the class talents, they're really strange..some classes are evolutionary changes and some are revolutionary |
| 21:25.11 | haste | oh. there my connection dropped a little :D |
| 21:25.24 | Adrine | Heh, tell me about it. I get SURPRISE ATTACKS. |
| 21:25.29 | vhaarr | haste: StaticPopupDialogs["ConfirmFlaskRemove"] = { text = "Are you sure you want to remove the flask buff %s.", button1 = "Yes", button2 = "No", showAlert = 1, timeout = 0, OnAccept = function() ... end }, StaticPopup_Show("ConfirmFlaskRemove", buffName) |
| 21:25.32 | Adrine | Oh joy. I can hardly contain my excitement. |
| 21:25.34 | vhaarr | haste: There's 50% of the addon already. |
| 21:25.35 | Amadeo | haha |
| 21:25.38 | vhaarr | haste: Now CODE. |
| 21:25.40 | vhaarr | :D |
| 21:25.41 | haste | vhaarr: haha |
| 21:25.47 | Amadeo | Warlocks seem to have gotten amazing stuff, which surprises me |
| 21:25.48 | haste | I can look at it after Naxx |
| 21:25.54 | Adrine | Warlocks got buffed to the extreme. |
| 21:26.01 | haste | only, Patch, grob, thaddius, and instructor left |
| 21:26.04 | Adrine | Hunters are way up there. |
| 21:26.08 | Amadeo | but perhaps that's to combat the fact that Fear will be losing effectiveness |
| 21:26.10 | vhaarr | haste: yay :D |
| 21:26.23 | Adrine | I don't think Fear is losing its effectiveness that much |
| 21:26.29 | vhaarr | haste: I'd do it right now but my head is burried in some other code |
| 21:26.36 | Amadeo | Adrine: Well, in Arenas it is |
| 21:26.36 | Adrine | They're just reducing its usage as a mechanic in PVE raids |
| 21:26.40 | Adrine | Arenas, sure. |
| 21:26.51 | haste | vhaarr: I've had a headache for the last three hours |
| 21:26.56 | vhaarr | :( |
| 21:27.10 | Amadeo | I have a Warlock, I honestly never found myself to be that powerful... I've never had too much trouble killing them with my other classes |
| 21:27.17 | Mikma | haste: why ofc you have |
| 21:27.18 | Amadeo | only in duels |
| 21:27.22 | Mikma | raiding and not coding fot TBC |
| 21:27.28 | Adrine | Locks are fairly trivial until they hit a certain gear point, and then they become insane. |
| 21:27.34 | Amadeo | That's possible |
| 21:27.36 | Amadeo | My gear is horrid |
| 21:27.39 | haste | Mikma: check when I last was online @the coder guild! |
| 21:27.57 | Adrine | In blues, locks are relatively weak and tend to get chewed up by everyone but mages, maybe priests. |
| 21:28.15 | Adrine | In epics, warlocks can utterly destroy you before you know what happened, moreso now with the spell scaling changes. |
| 21:28.16 | Amadeo | Epic Mages own me |
| 21:28.25 | Mikma | haste: i can't TBC is down for another 4-5h |
| 21:28.28 | Amadeo | I'm dead before CS wears off |
| 21:28.33 | Tem|AFK | Adrine, I have a screenshot of a blizzard employee saying "The T2 warlock set is REDICULOUSLY overpowered for pvp" |
| 21:28.40 | Adrine | Hahah, awesome. |
| 21:28.50 | Tem|AFK | (he's a warlock) |
| 21:29.09 | Adrine | Any chance I could get a copy of that? The lock leader in my guild would get a kick out of it. |
| 21:29.16 | Amadeo | Tem|AFK: Don't tell me it's Tseric :P |
| 21:29.19 | Tem|AFK | picture this, I'm level 65 he's level 62 |
| 21:29.26 | Tem|AFK | I duel him |
| 21:29.41 | Tem|AFK | he sets the felgaurd on me |
| 21:29.45 | Tem|AFK | the pet solos me |
| 21:29.51 | phyber | anyone know how KTM messages are formatted so I can fuck up the KTM for my raids mages. I hate those fuckers relying on it. |
| 21:30.03 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 21:30.07 | vhaarr | lol |
| 21:30.10 | nevcairiel | i thought about something like that before |
| 21:30.17 | nevcairiel | some addon which screws up SWS and KTM |
| 21:30.18 | vhaarr | phyber: Just show the addon channel :) |
| 21:30.33 | phyber | seriously, I just got a smack down from Razuvious because of them :/ |
| 21:30.48 | Amadeo | Tem|AFK: Are you that Warrior in the video? ;) |
| 21:30.49 | vhaarr | ViewAddonMessage from SVN |
| 21:30.52 | phyber | "lolz, I've pulled him because understudy was set in ktm and now he's shouting!" |
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| 21:30.59 | Tem|AFK | "That warrior in the video?" |
| 21:31.06 | Tem|AFK | Warriors are my mortal enemies |
| 21:31.09 | phyber | vhaarr: cool. |
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| 21:31.19 | Amadeo | Tem|AFK: There was a video of a Warrior getting soloed by a Felguard while the Warlock stood still |
| 21:31.42 | Tem|AFK | well I did two duels that way before I refused to do it again |
| 21:31.47 | nymbia | how are they pulling aggro on razuvious? there should be a taunt up 95% of the time. |
| 21:31.48 | Tem|AFK | the first duel, I tried to kill the pet |
| 21:32.05 | Tem|AFK | I did not land a single spell on it before I lost |
| 21:32.16 | Amadeo | how'd that happen? |
| 21:32.26 | nymbia | resists. |
| 21:32.26 | Tem|AFK | a billion resists on the pet |
| 21:32.34 | Amadeo | they have high resists? I didn't know that |
| 21:32.39 | Adrine | The felguards? |
| 21:32.39 | nymbia | ... |
| 21:32.42 | Amadeo | Yeah |
| 21:32.43 | Tem|AFK | .... |
| 21:32.51 | Amadeo | thought it was just Felhunter |
| 21:32.58 | nymbia | if a lock is demo specced and has the pet resist set bonus.. lol. |
| 21:33.01 | Tain | That's why I like simple plans! Poke him with a pointy stick. |
| 21:33.02 | Tem|AFK | 360 to all schools is high right? |
| 21:33.11 | Amadeo | Tem|AFK: That's Felhunter |
| 21:33.17 | Tem|AFK | AND felguard |
| 21:33.43 | Tem|AFK | The second duel I tried to just kill him before the pet killed me |
| 21:33.45 | Neronix | Felguard only gets half as much iirc |
| 21:33.51 | Amadeo | You only get +130 from Nemesis |
| 21:33.52 | Tem|AFK | I got him to 70% |
| 21:34.05 | Adrine | Warlocks are going to be utterly insane with TBC stam pools |
| 21:34.07 | Amadeo | Felhunter with DM has +60 |
| 21:34.10 | Amadeo | plus Felhunter innate resists |
| 21:34.13 | Adrine | Soul Link warlocks with Felguards are going to be O_O |
| 21:34.13 | Amadeo | that's where 360 comes from |
| 21:34.36 | Tem|AFK | whatever the felguards have, it's rediculous |
| 21:34.40 | Amadeo | hehe |
| 21:34.46 | kaiden | Adrine, i have a 64 warlock with soullink + felguard.. it's amazing |
| 21:34.47 | Tem|AFK | I was unable to land a single spell on it before it killed me |
| 21:34.47 | kaiden | :) |
| 21:34.49 | Amadeo | well I saw a very long video of a Warlock PvPing with Felguard |
| 21:35.01 | Tem|AFK | now I have to go before I'm late |
| 21:35.02 | Amadeo | I saw the Felguard CC'd most of the matches |
| 21:35.04 | Amadeo | and many deaths |
| 21:35.08 | Amadeo | so I don't think it's that good, really |
| 21:35.19 | Amadeo | let me see if I can find the video |
| 21:36.16 | Amadeo | here it is |
| 21:36.17 | Amadeo | http://www.pwncone.com/envy/Movies/Arena3v3.wmv |
| 21:36.19 | Amadeo | it's a huge video |
| 21:36.24 | Amadeo | bah |
| 21:36.25 | Amadeo | 404 |
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| 21:37.11 | Azurewrath | hrm... anyone has Battlefield 2 installed? Wan't to patch an old Installation but don't have the registry entries anymore.. someone can tell me where and how the path should be stored? |
| 21:37.33 | Amadeo | anyway, what I gathered from the Felguard video was that a Felhunter would have been a better choice as a pet |
| 21:37.38 | Amadeo | I don't think the Felguard is good for PvP |
| 21:37.51 | Mikma | Tem|AFK: i still don't quite get why the securebuttons are so great and normal actionbuttons arent? |
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| 21:37.55 | Amadeo | maybe if you have a Black Book |
| 21:38.12 | JoshBorke | Tem|AFK: when did you duel the warlock? |
| 21:38.39 | Adrine | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxjC-pnlkYU |
| 21:38.45 | Adrine | Affliction locks aren't going to be trivial either :) |
| 21:39.09 | Silviu- | Amadeo reskilled to gelguard but dunno |
| 21:39.10 | Amadeo | Affliction looks very good |
| 21:39.13 | Amadeo | anti-dispel owns |
| 21:39.15 | Silviu- | Didin`t do pvp yet |
| 21:39.21 | Amadeo | Silviu-: Let me know what you think |
| 21:39.22 | Silviu- | felguard* |
| 21:39.23 | Amadeo | I'd love to try it |
| 21:39.29 | Silviu- | I tryed vs mobs |
| 21:39.34 | Silviu- | He can kill alone a 62 mob |
| 21:39.37 | Silviu- | me 60 |
| 21:39.38 | Amadeo | nice |
| 21:39.52 | Amadeo | It's a great pet, but he's basically a Warrior |
| 21:39.54 | Silviu- | But dunno in pvp yet |
| 21:39.56 | Amadeo | which means everyone can control him |
| 21:40.04 | Silviu- | Yes .. hmm |
| 21:40.10 | Silviu- | But if i cast 2 sb |
| 21:40.13 | Silviu- | mob is on me ~~ |
| 21:40.28 | Silviu- | And he don`t regain aggro |
| 21:40.30 | Silviu- | Same as void |
| 21:40.42 | CIA-17 | 03jncl * r16525 10Skinner/ (62 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:40.42 | CIA-17 | Skinner: Removed AOElements.lua, created AddonFrames directory holding all |
| 21:40.42 | CIA-17 | skinned Addons as individual files and SkinMe directory which is referenced in |
| 21:40.42 | CIA-17 | the TOC; added none as an option for Character Frames, UI Elements and NPC |
| 21:40.42 | CIA-17 | frames, it stops them all from being skinned |
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| 21:41.04 | kaiden | hrm.. an oSkin replacement.. |
| 21:41.16 | nevcairiel | Skinner is oSkin |
| 21:41.22 | kaiden | just renamed |
| 21:41.25 | krka | SPAM! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6015-For_All_Indents_And_Purposes_(for_WoW_2.0).html |
| 21:41.30 | kaiden | well jncl was doing all recent work on it |
| 21:41.33 | kaiden | ooooh krka, thank you! |
| 21:41.33 | krka | get it while its hot |
| 21:41.42 | kaiden | are the servers back up yet for beta? |
| 21:41.43 | vhaarr | krka: But the current one I have works fine? |
| 21:41.47 | krka | really? |
| 21:41.48 | nevcairiel | yay, finally tinypad with colors again |
| 21:41.53 | vhaarr | krka: yes, really |
| 21:41.55 | krka | you must have hacked it yourself then |
| 21:42.00 | vhaarr | hm |
| 21:42.02 | vhaarr | maybe I did |
| 21:42.04 | krka | or not using it in beta |
| 21:42.10 | vhaarr | I am using it in beta. |
| 21:42.16 | vhaarr | copied and pasted from my 1.12 directory |
| 21:42.29 | krka | then you either got some unofficial version or hacked it yourself :) |
| 21:42.35 | krka | not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 21:42.41 | krka | does it support lua 5.1 syntax? |
| 21:42.51 | krka | biggest change would be nested comments |
| 21:42.52 | vhaarr | I haven't tried that yet |
| 21:43.00 | haste | kaiden: he just changed the stuff back to how it initial was structured |
| 21:43.08 | vhaarr | krka: since I code for 1.12 and TBC, I do not use the new syntax |
| 21:43.13 | vhaarr | krka: that way I don't have to branch |
| 21:43.44 | kaiden | haste, maybe you can convince them to fix the dang tab skinning like it was originally |
| 21:43.46 | tekcub | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SpellBinder |
| 21:43.48 | tekcub | *grin* |
| 21:43.52 | vhaarr | krka: But I'm fairly certain I have not modified anything from the WoWI version I downloaded months ago, except Interface to 20000. |
| 21:43.56 | krka | that means you dont use no nested comments at all |
| 21:43.57 | tekcub | I love WoWWiki's templates :) |
| 21:44.02 | haste | kaiden: I'm not touchhing Jncl's crap |
| 21:44.05 | vhaarr | krka: in-game I don't, that's right |
| 21:44.17 | krka | vhaarr: my old version used stuff like: for k,v in t do |
| 21:44.20 | kaiden | haste, lol :) you were the visionary and i thank you for the original creation of it |
| 21:44.23 | krka | that would most definitely not work in tbc |
| 21:44.28 | nymbia | tekcub: nice, thanks :D |
| 21:44.28 | vhaarr | krka: ah, then I've fixed that locally :P |
| 21:44.29 | kaiden | do you plan on bringing it back in your own way skinning correctly |
| 21:44.43 | Mikma | tekcub: hi |
| 21:44.47 | tekcub | that's {{TBC Only}} if anyone else needs i |
| 21:44.49 | haste | kaiden: his code is pure crap, and far below average |
| 21:44.53 | krka | vhaarr: yup :) actually, i don't think i did any major changes besides that (and the updated syntax support) |
| 21:45.00 | haste | that's the main reason I told him to rename it |
| 21:45.04 | vhaarr | tekcub: nice |
| 21:45.14 | haste | the second reason was that he had dragged it so far from what it was without even asking |
| 21:45.15 | kaiden | haste, well this is obvious, i follow all of your projects closely and use all of them in fact |
| 21:45.22 | kaiden | i dont think i could function without ora/ocb |
| 21:45.26 | Mikma | kaiden: behold for oSkin when it arrives! |
| 21:45.26 | vhaarr | krka: There are some things that annoy me in Omnibus when coding, I'm not sure if it's from FAIAP or Omnibus, though. |
| 21:45.35 | krka | what's Omnibus? |
| 21:45.38 | Mikma | kaiden: the original master is here to train the slave he "released" |
| 21:45.43 | haste | krka: Tinypad replacement |
| 21:45.44 | vhaarr | Ace2 Tinypad with neat features. |
| 21:45.46 | kaiden | lol |
| 21:45.48 | krka | i'd be interested in any bug report |
| 21:45.58 | kaiden | Mikma, didn't you do the sct replacement? |
| 21:45.59 | vhaarr | krka: Does FAIAP handle the indenting? |
| 21:46.01 | krka | hm, maybe i should add auto-hooking into Omnibus? |
| 21:46.04 | krka | vhaarr: yes it does |
| 21:46.05 | vhaarr | krka: Or is that tinypad/omnibus |
| 21:46.06 | haste | ~mikma |
| 21:46.08 | purl | Mikma is NOT the guy that wrote MSBT either |
| 21:46.10 | vhaarr | krka: then there are some bugs |
| 21:46.14 | kaiden | haha |
| 21:46.17 | krka | thatFAIAP |
| 21:46.18 | kaiden | answered that question |
| 21:46.23 | kaiden | then where do i know your name from Mikma |
| 21:46.24 | krka | that's almost all that FAIAP does actually :P |
| 21:46.27 | kaiden | what have you written? |
| 21:46.27 | krka | indentation + coloring |
| 21:46.42 | vhaarr | krka: I'll take a look at it when the TBC servers are up again, then, and give you some reproducable scenario. |
| 21:46.52 | Mikma | kaiden: nowhere propably, it just reminded you of "Mikk" and "Mikord" |
| 21:46.53 | krka | thanks, that'd be nice |
| 21:46.53 | vhaarr | as a side note, when are the TBC servers up again? |
| 21:46.57 | vhaarr | anyone know? |
| 21:47.04 | Mikma | vhaarr: 5h |
| 21:47.07 | vhaarr | gah |
| 21:47.10 | nevcairiel | went down about 2h ago for 6h maint |
| 21:47.12 | vhaarr | I'll be sleeping then. |
| 21:47.24 | krka | also, if it's not to much work, could you modify defaulthooks.lua in FAIAP, to automatically hook into Omnibus? if it's possible at all |
| 21:47.29 | Mikma | same, should be already but i'm having a brainstorm about the secure-thing |
| 21:47.32 | krka | (i dont know how it's designed after all) |
| 21:47.34 | kaiden | Mikma, no, i know your name specifically from somewhere |
| 21:47.41 | vhaarr | krka: No, FAIAP is not in the SVN, so I'm not touching it. |
| 21:47.51 | vhaarr | krka: If it was, I'd be committing fixes to it already. |
| 21:48.04 | Mikma | "While it may appear a little complicated, it's quite straightforward to use." |
| 21:48.13 | Mikma | kaiden: i irc with that name, perhaps? :) |
| 21:48.25 | tekcub | I have this sudden urge to make neat templates on WoWWiki |
| 21:49.03 | vhaarr | tekcub: I tend to add X-RelSite-WoWI and X-AceForum to my new TOCs with a value of -1 |
| 21:49.14 | tekcub | why? |
| 21:49.15 | vhaarr | tekcub: Maybe fix it so that they are not displayed if -1 ? |
| 21:49.18 | vhaarr | I don't know. |
| 21:49.30 | tekcub | don't put them in if they don't have a value :P |
| 21:49.35 | vhaarr | :P |
| 21:50.31 | krka | vhaarr: actually, i'm planning on giving up FAIAP for adoption. would you be interested in adopting it? |
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| 21:50.45 | krka | seeing as you talked about fixes and stuff |
| 21:50.46 | vhaarr | krka: Thanks, but no :) |
| 21:50.53 | krka | oh well, worth a shot |
| 21:50.56 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 21:51.06 | vhaarr | krka: Talk to JJSheets. |
| 21:51.08 | vhaarr | ~seen jjsheets |
| 21:51.27 | purl | jjsheets <n=jjsheets@74.134.114.74> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 15h 49m 43s ago, saying: 'Well, I gotta get some sleep... early day tomorrow. Ya'll have fun.'. |
| 21:51.27 | vhaarr | I think that was his nick |
| 21:51.31 | vhaarr | yep |
| 21:51.38 | vhaarr | krka: He made Omnibus. |
| 21:52.48 | Mikma | nevcairiel: let's dump the normal buttons and create 5x12 new one? |
| 21:53.10 | krka | whoa... i've never seen him say anything |
| 21:53.13 | nevcairiel | while we are at it, we could add more bars for the whiners |
| 21:53.22 | Mikma | nevcairiel: well 120 is the limit |
| 21:53.28 | Mikma | but let's keep it a secret |
| 21:53.44 | Mikma | let's put it behind some weird toggle or so that people can't find it easily |
| 21:53.54 | nymbia | hahaha |
| 21:53.58 | CIA-17 | 03pastamancer * r16526 10Grid/Grid.toc: Grid: Added X-RelSite-WoWI to toc. |
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| 21:54.42 | Mikma | let's just make sure that the id's match for the first 5 bars like they should |
| 21:54.57 | Mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.02 | vhaarr | tekcub: oh, maybe you could add a X-License field that supports Creative Common license links in the wiki? |
| 21:55.04 | Mikma | "doing!" 5 more bars on screen |
| 21:55.21 | nevcairiel | i got lots of time tomorrow |
| 21:55.23 | nevcairiel | well |
| 21:55.25 | nevcairiel | should |
| 21:55.30 | Mikma | nevcairiel: same same |
| 21:55.34 | Mikma | weekend starts <3 |
| 21:55.41 | Mikma | and i don't have to go anywhere |
| 21:56.06 | Mikma | this also means we should dump the whole code if BT3 now and just remake it from the scratch |
| 21:56.42 | tekcub | vhaarr, throw together pages for em and a TOC that uses it and I'll add it into the template :) |
| 21:56.54 | Mikma | nevcairiel: what do you think. "normal" layout and "expert" layout |
| 21:57.01 | vhaarr | tekcub: it could link directly to creativecommons.org ? |
| 21:57.25 | Mikma | nevcairiel: with "normal" you get 5x12 bars at start just like BT2 has. when you toggle the expert mode on, you can define the number of buttons in rows etc |
| 21:57.30 | vhaarr | like "X-License: Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5" would make a wiki link to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ |
| 21:57.39 | vhaarr | or something |
| 21:57.52 | tekcub | I'd rather have a wiki page about the lisence, with links on that |
| 21:57.56 | tekcub | look at wiki commons |
| 21:57.59 | tekcub | one sec... |
| 21:58.12 | MoonWolf | so, without bartender, what will i use ? |
| 21:58.24 | nevcairiel | the new bartender |
| 21:58.30 | Mikma | yeah :D |
| 21:58.52 | tekcub | vhaarr, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 21:58.53 | MoonWolf | eeeuh, i distinctly remember a very pissed mikma, and a i'm not doing it anymore post. |
| 21:59.06 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:59.08 | tekcub | if you "borrow" their pages make sure you link the source :) |
| 21:59.18 | Mikma | MoonWolf: i'm not doing it with default actionbars and i'm still fucking pissed about the secure-thing |
| 21:59.18 | tekcub | I do that with wowwiki a lot *whistle* |
| 21:59.24 | MoonWolf | right |
| 21:59.26 | Mikma | but i STILL have to learn it someway |
| 21:59.42 | vhaarr | tekcub: I don't understand what I should do, make a wowace.com wiki page for each of the licenses, or one that lists them all? |
| 21:59.51 | tekcub | gah fine one sec |
| 21:59.57 | Mikma | and, in this way we can PLEASE alot more people (and the whiners) |
| 22:00.07 | Mikma | we aim to please oh lala! |
| 22:00.12 | nevcairiel | i figured the basics out already, will commit one 12 button actionbar hopefully with shapeshifting support tomorrow when i get home |
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| 22:00.23 | Mikma | nevcairiel: wait a mom |
| 22:00.42 | nevcairiel | i broke something before the servers went down, and couldnt fix it :D |
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| 22:00.56 | tekcub | vhaarr, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:GFDL-self |
| 22:01.00 | tekcub | for example |
| 22:01.21 | tekcub | if you did say ## X-Lisence: GFDL |
| 22:01.30 | CIA-17 | 03mikma * r16527 10/branches/Bartender3/ (BT3Old/ Bartender3/): Bartender3: moving old code out of the way |
| 22:01.36 | tekcub | I could slip a call to the template into your addon page for you |
| 22:01.43 | Mikma | nevcairiel: there, folder is free :) |
| 22:01.45 | tekcub | and a box like that would show up :) |
| 22:01.49 | nevcairiel | you could have removed it altogether |
| 22:01.52 | vhaarr | seems like a lot of work |
| 22:01.57 | vhaarr | instead of just a name -> URL mapping |
| 22:02.08 | vhaarr | :P |
| 22:02.11 | Mikma | nevcairiel: yeah i know but i'll keep it a while there until we're in good way |
| 22:02.12 | tekcub | nah you just need to find a template on wiki commons, edit it, copy/paste :) |
| 22:02.37 | Mikma | MoonWolf: making another post, just because you care <3 |
| 22:02.44 | tekcub | URL mapping is work for me... finding a template on wiki commons and adding it to your page is work for YOU :P |
| 22:03.03 | thalie | yay mikma |
| 22:03.03 | MoonWolf | i do care. |
| 22:03.04 | thalie | :) |
| 22:03.05 | tekcub | you want the info on your page, not me, I don't care about lisences, fuck I can't even spell the word right |
| 22:03.16 | MoonWolf | now get my servers back up so i can write mendeleev 2.0 |
| 22:03.19 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:04.13 | tekcub | wikimedia commons has TONS of templates you can nab too, but I bet you only use one lisence on all your stuff |
| 22:04.16 | DrDre | somethings borked with fuquestfu tracker, it snaps to diff places when i move it and it moves anytime i click a quest too |
| 22:04.34 | tekcub | vhaarr, what lisence, I'll make you a template |
| 22:05.42 | Mikma | nevcairiel: just one thing. let's not give out any planned features in forums :D |
| 22:06.04 | nevcairiel | what features? for what? i dont work here |
| 22:06.09 | [FH]Birdemani | so no new bartender for tbc? |
| 22:06.22 | nevcairiel | none whatsoever |
| 22:06.24 | Mikma | [FH]Birdemani: yeah |
| 22:06.43 | [FH]Birdemani | just because of druids/wars/rogues? |
| 22:07.01 | vhaarr | tekcub: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ |
| 22:07.01 | Mikma | yeap |
| 22:07.02 | kaiden | Mikma, you musn't forsake us now in our darkest hour.. erm months |
| 22:07.24 | [FH]Birdemani | looking like nurfed will be our only option hten |
| 22:07.30 | [FH]Birdemani | but even that isnt working right now |
| 22:07.39 | `-FISKER_Q | noone cares about rogues :( |
| 22:07.41 | `-FISKER_Q | poor us |
| 22:07.43 | Mikma | <2358> <@MoonWolf> so, without bartender, what will i use ? |
| 22:07.43 | Mikma | <2358> <nevcairiel> the new bartender |
| 22:07.46 | vhaarr | tekcub: Actually, I guess it should be X-CodeLicense? |
| 22:07.49 | Mikma | whoops, did i paste that |
| 22:07.53 | kaiden | [FH]Birdemani, DUB ;) |
| 22:07.55 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 22:07.59 | vhaarr | or ContentLicense |
| 22:08.00 | `-FISKER_Q | (23:07:44) <Mikma> <2358> <@MoonWolf> so, without bartender, what will i use ? |
| 22:08.00 | `-FISKER_Q | (23:07:44) <Mikma> <2358> <nevcairiel> the new bartender |
| 22:08.01 | vhaarr | something |
| 22:08.04 | `-FISKER_Q | i do believe you did |
| 22:08.09 | MoonWolf | <`-FISKER_Q> (23:07:44) <Mikma> <2358> <@MoonWolf> so, without bartender, what will i use ? |
| 22:08.09 | MoonWolf | <`-FISKER_Q> (23:07:44) <Mikma> <2358> <nevcairiel> the new bartender |
| 22:08.10 | [FH]Birdemani | no thanks on discord |
| 22:08.11 | Mikma | i did? oh bummer |
| 22:08.11 | `-FISKER_Q | did i paste that? |
| 22:08.13 | tekcub | *shrug* if you like the way that sounds better |
| 22:08.14 | `-FISKER_Q | thanks MoonWolf |
| 22:08.27 | vhaarr | X-License sounds best, but maybe some users will misunderstand |
| 22:08.55 | `-FISKER_Q | hvad meed LicenseAgreement |
| 22:08.58 | Mikma | nevcairiel: new name? |
| 22:09.05 | `-FISKER_Q | why did i write that in danish? :/( |
| 22:09.11 | `-FISKER_Q | but what about LicenseAgreement? |
| 22:09.12 | `-FISKER_Q | :P |
| 22:09.15 | vhaarr | "meed" isn't danish |
| 22:09.22 | `-FISKER_Q | sticky keyboard |
| 22:09.22 | vhaarr | it's english for "mjød" |
| 22:09.24 | `-FISKER_Q | all that fapping |
| 22:09.27 | vhaarr | :P |
| 22:09.33 | Mikma | nevcairiel: or shall we stick to the one people "know" |
| 22:09.50 | nevcairiel | better stick to the name |
| 22:09.58 | nevcairiel | we increased the major, that is good for a rewrite |
| 22:10.59 | Mikma | let's name it something like Bartender RETURNS! |
| 22:11.06 | nymbia | lol |
| 22:11.11 | Mikma | that has seem to be the idea in many motionpictures lately |
| 22:11.16 | vhaarr | BartenderTNG imo |
| 22:11.35 | `-FISKER_Q | cause DS9 sucked |
| 22:11.38 | nevcairiel | bartender wasnt gone long enough to return already |
| 22:11.39 | [FH]Birdemani | so someone is picking up BT? (so confused) |
| 22:11.43 | Mikma | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103776/ |
| 22:11.43 | Mikma | http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/ |
| 22:12.00 | Kirkburn | Just call it Enterprise, then call it Bartender: Enterprise for the last two seasons for no apparent reason |
| 22:12.08 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:12.10 | Mikma | [FH]Birdemani: yeah, nevcairiel and I am picking it up |
| 22:12.10 | Kirkburn | uh, I meant patches of course :P |
| 22:12.18 | vhaarr | [FH]Birdemani: It never fell off the floor, the floor was just moving around alot for some time. |
| 22:12.40 | vhaarr | s/floor/table/ |
| 22:12.48 | vhaarr | wtf |
| 22:12.50 | vhaarr | s/floor/table/g |
| 22:13.03 | nevcairiel | lol no multiple matches :) |
| 22:13.04 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 22:13.13 | tekcub | okey vhaarr ... put in ## X-(blha blha lisence): CC-BY-NC-SA-2.5 |
| 22:13.20 | tekcub | and commit it up |
| 22:13.25 | Mikma | purl: s/help/help/g |
| 22:13.26 | tekcub | I'll work on the infobox from that :) |
| 22:13.30 | vhaarr | :P |
| 22:14.17 | Mikma | wtf is that lisence-thing? |
| 22:14.17 | tekcub | or rather, CC-BY-NC-SA 2.5 |
| 22:14.17 | vhaarr | gah |
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| 22:14.17 | vhaarr | recommit then |
| 22:14.20 | vhaarr | wb ckk |
| 22:14.20 | tekcub | nevermind |
| 22:14.25 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:14.28 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r16528 10BugSack/BugSack.toc: BugSack: Add X-License tag. |
| 22:14.28 | tekcub | I'll use whichever you did |
| 22:14.33 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TBC * r16529 10Ace2/Ace2/AceAddon-2.0/AceAddon-2.0.lua: .AceAddon-2.0 - added credits, thanks vhaarr |
| 22:14.41 | Mikma | "(But I can imagine a place for an Ace2 SecureState library)" |
| 22:15.24 | nevcairiel | there is a place for everything :) |
| 22:15.31 | vhaarr | ckknight: in AceModuleCore, why do you not iterate the mixins and do :OnEmbedEnable on them when ToggleModuleActive(true) ? |
| 22:15.36 | tekcub | hrm... I need GIMP |
| 22:15.42 | Mikma | tekcub: pimp |
| 22:15.51 | ckknight | vhaarr, hrm... I don't? |
| 22:16.03 | vhaarr | ckknight: AceModuleCore (TBC) line 231 |
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| 22:16.06 | vhaarr | no |
| 22:16.19 | ckknight | you are right. |
| 22:16.30 | Mikma | tekcub: btw. the buttons when writing post ain't working at all on wowace |
| 22:16.36 | vhaarr | Is that a horrible bug or a design decision? |
| 22:16.37 | ckknight | weird |
| 22:16.41 | ckknight | odd I didn't catch that |
| 22:16.44 | ckknight | totally a bug, vhaarr |
| 22:16.48 | vhaarr | ouch |
| 22:17.16 | tekcub | Mikma, forum isn't me domain, bitch at kael it's his skin |
| 22:17.21 | vhaarr | ckknight: I was looking around for that event firing stuff I'm thinking about, and just noticed and thought it was weird. |
| 22:18.17 | Mikma | purl: message to kaelten: when writing message on wowace.com the buttons ain't working. they all point into "javascript:void(0)" |
| 22:18.22 | kaiden | hrm, i'm having weird problems with WoWAceUpdater |
| 22:18.33 | vhaarr | Mikma: He knows. |
| 22:18.48 | vhaarr | I reported it ages ago, and even added it to the wiki. |
| 22:18.49 | Mikma | now he gets a kick in the ass to fix it asap! |
| 22:18.59 | kaiden | ah n/m i just restarted it and it's working now weird.. |
| 22:19.00 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TBC * r16531 10Ace2/Ace2/AceModuleCore-2.0/AceModuleCore-2.0.lua: .AceModuleCore-2.0 - on enabling a module, its mixins' OnEmbedEnable is now called. |
| 22:19.01 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r16530 10Ace2/AceModuleCore-2.0/AceModuleCore-2.0.lua: .AceModuleCore-2.0 - on enabling a module, its mixins' OnEmbedEnable is now called. |
| 22:19.03 | vhaarr | http://wowace.com/wiki/Server_Status#Formatting_Options |
| 22:19.13 | vhaarr | ckknight: Are you sure it's a good idea to fix that without testing the impacts first? |
| 22:19.24 | vhaarr | ckknight: Seems to me like it could break some things. |
| 22:19.32 | ckknight | it could. |
| 22:19.35 | ckknight | here's hoping it doesn't. |
| 22:19.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:19.46 | ckknight | I have to go to class soon anyway. |
| 22:19.48 | Mikma | gn tekcub and others, i'm off to bed |
| 22:19.50 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 22:19.53 | vhaarr | nn m |
| 22:19.54 | ckknight | either way, what it's doing now is correct |
| 22:19.55 | pastamancer | wowi is for people who want tested addons |
| 22:20.14 | pastamancer | let svn/files users live dangerously |
| 22:20.14 | ckknight | vhaarr, you're my tester. |
| 22:20.24 | vhaarr | ckknight: My server is down for another 4h. |
| 22:20.26 | vhaarr | :P |
| 22:20.30 | ckknight | hrm |
| 22:20.31 | ckknight | mine too |
| 22:20.36 | thalie | i'll test it in mc tonight lol, hope it doesn't break |
| 22:20.37 | thalie | haha |
| 22:20.39 | Adrine | Alts! |
| 22:20.47 | ckknight | it shouldn't break anything, really. |
| 22:20.50 | vhaarr | thalie: Make sure that test includes both BigWigs and oRA2. |
| 22:20.59 | vhaarr | thalie: If it doesn't install them now. |
| 22:21.05 | vhaarr | s/doesn't/doesn't,/ |
| 22:22.04 | thalie | of course, vhaarr ;) if it breaks, it breaks |
| 22:22.06 | thalie | i can handle it |
| 22:22.10 | vhaarr | good |
| 22:22.12 | thalie | all i have to do is heal |
| 22:22.12 | thalie | hehe |
| 22:22.16 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 22:23.47 | DrDre | god my mage is a dike |
| 22:24.20 | kaiden | most boys that play like they're girls are.. |
| 22:24.21 | ckknight | well, classtime |
| 22:24.29 | kaiden | naughty little cross dresser |
| 22:24.33 | ckknight | trannies ftw |
| 22:24.35 | ckknight | cya later |
| 22:25.00 | DrDre | mage = die fast |
| 22:25.04 | DrDre | server=pvp |
| 22:25.10 | DrDre | female char = ganked less |
| 22:25.25 | DrDre | so female mage = win at getting ganked less |
| 22:25.32 | [FH]Birdemani | question on grid: on mouseover can you see what group they are in? |
| 22:25.49 | [FH]Birdemani | or is there a way to see group number? |
| 22:25.56 | pastamancer | [FH]Birdemani: nope |
| 22:26.05 | kergoth | choose a layout that makes the group obvious :P |
| 22:26.13 | [FH]Birdemani | i tend to layout by class |
| 22:26.19 | kergoth | a mouseover tooltip of the unit might be nice though, with the names that shortened it isnt always clear who they are |
| 22:26.34 | pastamancer | the default unit tooltip was added last night |
| 22:26.44 | kergoth | oh cool :) |
| 22:27.02 | pastamancer | with options 'always', 'never', and 'ooc' |
| 22:27.23 | [FH]Birdemani | after using it on my pally it dawned on my i can use it on my warrior and dump raid frames, party frames |
| 22:27.28 | pastamancer | ooc shows the tooltip for dead units while in combat and all units while out of combat |
| 22:27.54 | thalie | i find with them shortened, i can figure out by the combination of first 3 letters and class that i know who everyone is |
| 22:28.07 | kergoth | oh nice, ooc would make it much more useful to have the dead and unit name both as the center text then |
| 22:28.12 | pastamancer | yeah, I never thought to add a tooltip because I knew who everyone was |
| 22:28.17 | [FH]Birdemani | thalie: its really hard when you are in a raid with people you dont know which happens alot on our pug MCs |
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| 22:28.24 | vhaarr | oh god this broke badly |
| 22:28.27 | thalie | the pug thing would explain it. |
| 22:28.36 | vhaarr | ckknight: Boom, 230 errors on login. |
| 22:28.39 | thalie | haha |
| 22:29.02 | [FH]Birdemani | i had to set grid to show the most letters in a name just to guess who they were |
| 22:29.04 | pastamancer | kergoth: don't put dead on the center text indicator if you want to see the name |
| 22:29.26 | vhaarr | ah no, *phew* |
| 22:29.39 | thalie | i like to have dead fade a different way than out of range does |
| 22:29.45 | kergoth | pastamancer: i know, but with tooltip set to ooc you could at least find out who the dead units were |
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| 22:30.12 | thalie | its a good feature i think :) |
| 22:30.38 | kaiden | omg... |
| 22:30.41 | pastamancer | the previously hidden 'Frame Alpha' indicator sets the alpha of the frame to the alpha of the status's color |
| 22:30.42 | kaiden | 7000 errors |
| 22:30.46 | kaiden | what'd ckknight do?! |
| 22:31.07 | kergoth | hahah |
| 22:31.18 | malreth | that's awesome |
| 22:31.22 | vhaarr | it works fine here, I just had some merge errors. |
| 22:31.29 | kaiden | mine is going absolutely insane |
| 22:31.34 | kaiden | up to 10k errors in bugsack |
| 22:31.36 | vhaarr | what is the first error you get? |
| 22:31.43 | vhaarr | and make sure you have the latest bugsack |
| 22:31.55 | kaiden | [2006/11/09 14:26:35-149-x1]: FuBar-compat-1.2\FuBar-compat-1.2.lua:6: attempt to index global `Gratuity' (a nil value)FuBar-compat-1.2\FuBar-compat-1.2.lua:6: in main chunk |
| 22:32.00 | kaiden | i just updated all of my addons with sync |
| 22:32.02 | Laric | the us beta servers are up i guess :P |
| 22:32.12 | vhaarr | that's bullshit |
| 22:32.30 | Laric | hmm i guess the fubar 1.2 addins wont work :P |
| 22:32.36 | vhaarr | kaiden: TBC? |
| 22:32.41 | kaiden | no :P live |
| 22:32.41 | kaiden | hehe |
| 22:32.47 | vhaarr | that can't be the first error |
| 22:32.55 | kaiden | it is the first error in bugsack |
| 22:33.01 | kaiden | want a screenshot? |
| 22:33.05 | DrDre | bah i gotta remake my mage, but grr shes GM of my guild and has 300g worth of gems on her ;/ |
| 22:33.14 | vhaarr | kaiden: paste the first 5 errors on pastey |
| 22:33.26 | ne0- | hi guys uhm whats invalid bla in 'next' in the noth modul when he teleports to the balkon? |
| 22:34.19 | cryogen | lol that error has been in fubar-compat-1.2 for about a month |
| 22:34.24 | cryogen | i had it the last time i played wow |
| 22:34.48 | vhaarr | you get that error if you run GratuityLib as a standalone addon and do not use externals. |
| 22:34.54 | kaiden | http://ace.pastey.net/2299 |
| 22:34.59 | vhaarr | kaiden: Do you? |
| 22:35.08 | kaiden | i dont use externals i use !!!Libs as all of my "externals" |
| 22:35.18 | vhaarr | then it will not work |
| 22:35.18 | kaiden | i got sick of addons conflicting with each other |
| 22:35.24 | kaiden | so i switched to doing it this way |
| 22:35.34 | vhaarr | FB-Compat-1.2 does not work with that |
| 22:35.46 | kaiden | hrm, weird, i didn't have any errors on monday when i played live |
| 22:35.53 | DrDre | "/errormonster berserk" isnt stopping "I need a target" |
| 22:35.55 | kaiden | oh well dont really need fubar compat anymore |
| 22:36.12 | vhaarr | DrDre: where is I need a target outputted? |
| 22:36.17 | DrDre | the voice |
| 22:36.25 | ne0- | had somebody the same error? invalid next or something? i use the lastest beta of bigwigs with a deDE client :/ its come only on noth balkon port |
| 22:36.28 | vhaarr | errormonster does not stop the voice messages |
| 22:36.33 | vhaarr | DrDre: It can't. |
| 22:36.37 | DrDre | ;( |
| 22:36.39 | vhaarr | Sound Options -> Error Speech. |
| 22:36.45 | DrDre | oooh thanks |
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| 22:36.49 | kaiden | Laric, you said the usa beta servers were up? |
| 22:36.49 | Xuerian | ne0-: A full error string (Get bagsack+Buggrabber) would help a lot |
| 22:36.57 | DrDre | i cant stand this dike voice |
| 22:37.13 | kaiden | Laric, if so what are you smoking as i dont see them :P |
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| 22:39.25 | kergoth | hmm, the new 41 point subtlety rogue talent looks interesting |
| 22:39.29 | ne0- | Xuerian ok :/ next time! "invalid ... in 'next'" says nothing to you? |
| 22:40.09 | vhaarr | tekcub: bork bork bork |
| 22:40.10 | Xuerian | ne0-: It doesn't aside from something with iteration.. I'm not a BigWigs developer, but it's much easier to see obvious errors, or for bigwigs devs it'd be more helpful. |
| 22:40.11 | vhaarr | :P |
| 22:40.18 | tekcub | working on it vhaarr |
| 22:40.31 | vhaarr | I figured, I just wanted to say "bork bork bork" |
| 22:40.41 | kaiden | kergoth, that's the ONLY interesting about the new rogue talents |
| 22:40.42 | kaiden | :( |
| 22:41.02 | Elkano | ItemDB for TBC is live :) http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=6018 |
| 22:41.03 | vhaarr | ne0-: Is this with the latest BigWigs? |
| 22:41.10 | ne0- | vhaarr yes |
| 22:41.14 | kergoth | heh, true that. mutilate might be decent, but certainly not spectacular, and the combat one is a joke |
| 22:41.24 | [FH]Birdemani | us rest realm is not up |
| 22:41.24 | vhaarr | ne0-: Get BugSack and !BugGrabber. |
| 22:41.24 | kaiden | yeah the combat tree is a piece of crap now |
| 22:41.28 | kaiden | and it's dps was nerf'd somehow |
| 22:41.31 | kaiden | or at least it feels nerf'd |
| 22:41.34 | vhaarr | ne0-: like Xuerian said, and then come back with a full stack. |
| 22:41.36 | ne0- | and the timers and messages working perfekt |
| 22:41.45 | kaiden | and mutilate would be AWESOME if it wasn't daggers required |
| 22:42.03 | ne0- | but it pops this error hm yes k |
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| 22:42.35 | kaiden | i actually got claw of the black drake on my rogue the other night, was kinda disappointed how much my dps went down in raids when not being able to backstab :( |
| 22:44.25 | kergoth | i'm swords using dal rend currently, thinking about going back to daggers for the expansion before i start wasting my dkp on swords, not sure |
| 22:45.18 | ne0- | oh noes vhaarr its with the 16282 :O iam a lyer |
| 22:46.48 | vhaarr | ne0-: Doesn't matter, that's recent enough. |
| 22:47.08 | vhaarr | If you had been down on like 10000, I'd disregard the error. |
| 22:47.18 | vhaarr | Because we fixed a similar error back then. |
| 22:48.24 | ne0- | can i simulate a noth engage? |
| 22:48.32 | vhaarr | when did it happen? |
| 22:48.42 | ne0- | on the teleport to the balkon |
| 22:48.54 | vhaarr | yes, just a sec |
| 22:49.42 | vhaarr | ne0-: enUS client? |
| 22:49.47 | ne0- | but not always, it has what to do with a blink just before the port or something |
| 22:49.50 | ne0- | no deDE |
| 22:49.54 | vhaarr | okay |
| 22:50.01 | phyber | what's that weird dancing / weapon unequipping thing that someone here does? |
| 22:50.07 | phyber | bored in naxx and want to see it :p |
| 22:50.26 | phyber | something with AceEvent and toggling the weapon sheath |
| 22:51.07 | vhaarr | ne0-: 1. Enable the module manually with the menu, 2. /script BigWigsNoth:CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_YELL("Sterbt, Eindringling!"), 3. After a while, do /script BigWigsNoth:TriggerEvent("BigWigs_SendSync", "NothBlink") |
| 22:51.11 | vhaarr | and then wait for the timer |
| 22:51.27 | ne0- | k brb |
| 22:52.34 | ne0- | thats cool ;D |
| 22:55.04 | Industrial | nevcairiel: fix the dreamchat setpoint bug pls ;\ |
| 22:55.10 | Industrial | its bugging me in terms of usability |
| 22:55.29 | ne0- | hm i cant reproduce it :/ |
| 22:56.15 | ne0- | vhaarr can it come from a old version and a sync or something? |
| 22:56.52 | vhaarr | ne0-: That error is so generic, I can not even guess what produced it without proper debug stack. |
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| 22:59.01 | ne0- | hm and the curse warning? can i simulate the curse warning? |
| 22:59.09 | vhaarr | obviously |
| 22:59.32 | vhaarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.37 | ne0- | NothCurse ah kk |
| 23:01.33 | ne0- | vhaarr :D |
| 23:01.36 | ne0- | i have it! |
| 23:01.42 | vhaarr | ace.pastey.net |
| 23:01.58 | ne0- | its when curse and blink bar are running when the teleport bar fades |
| 23:02.04 | vhaarr | okay |
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| 23:02.43 | ne0- | argh but i havent bugsack thingi running :/ |
| 23:02.49 | vhaarr | lol |
| 23:02.57 | vhaarr | restart and do it again ;) |
| 23:03.06 | ne0- | xD but i have a screen! |
| 23:03.10 | vhaarr | no good |
| 23:03.38 | ne0- | http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9687/errorhf0.jpg :)) |
| 23:05.05 | Xuerian | That wins the error for the second most descriptive error of the week. |
| 23:05.15 | ne0- | kk need quick instruktions for bugsack and bugäh grabber! ;D |
| 23:05.17 | Xuerian | There was a better one, but that's pretty damn good. :p |
| 23:05.20 | vhaarr | the award, you mean :P |
| 23:05.29 | vhaarr | ne0-: Download, install, reproduce. |
| 23:05.36 | vhaarr | No instructions needed. |
| 23:05.37 | Xuerian | Yes, yes, vhaarr. :p |
| 23:05.39 | ne0- | k need download! :D |
| 23:05.51 | vhaarr | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5995 |
| 23:06.01 | ne0- | k! |
| 23:06.21 | vhaarr | rate it 5 while you're at it :P |
| 23:06.39 | ne0- | done |
| 23:06.43 | vhaarr | haha <3 |
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| 23:07.40 | ne0- | rofl x( in the bugsack.rar is a buggrabber :/ |
| 23:07.47 | ne0- | i downloaded both :/ |
| 23:08.18 | tkieffer | Anyone have a good in game addon toggle addon? |
| 23:08.25 | tkieffer | Best I've seen so far is LoadIT. |
| 23:08.29 | vhaarr | tkieffer: /ace2 |
| 23:08.44 | tkieffer | I have non ace2 addons. |
| 23:08.53 | vhaarr | then wtf are you doing here |
| 23:08.53 | Xuerian | tkieffer: MCP (version found on curse, actually) |
| 23:08.56 | ne0- | fatalty wtf? |
| 23:09.02 | vhaarr | :D |
| 23:09.07 | Xuerian | lol |
| 23:09.13 | Xuerian | I gave it a 5 just because you've kept that damn sound |
| 23:09.16 | Xuerian | I love it XD |
| 23:09.25 | ne0- | its scary ;( |
| 23:09.30 | vhaarr | you can mute it :) |
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| 23:12.46 | tekcub | vhaarr, http://www.wowace.com/wiki/BugSack |
| 23:13.03 | vhaarr | tekcub: nice |
| 23:13.11 | ne0- | vhaarr http://pastebin.com/820720 |
| 23:13.19 | vhaarr | tekcub: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2 :P |
| 23:14.14 | vhaarr | ne0-: ouch |
| 23:14.24 | tekcub | erm... damnit |
| 23:14.58 | ne0- | ? :( |
| 23:14.59 | vhaarr | ne0-: and it happens when both the curse and blink bars are running when the teleport bar ends? |
| 23:14.59 | tekcub | should by fixed now... |
| 23:15.07 | ne0- | yes |
| 23:15.17 | vhaarr | ne0-: only when both bars are running? |
| 23:15.29 | ne0- | curse running blink running teleport bar gets 3 2 1 BÄM |
| 23:15.43 | vhaarr | ne0-: try with only one of each bar running |
| 23:15.44 | ne0- | with the blink bar only it doesnt come |
| 23:15.49 | vhaarr | try with curse only |
| 23:15.58 | ne0- | k |
| 23:19.37 | ne0- | houm |
| 23:19.41 | ne0- | nothing |
| 23:20.03 | vhaarr | thanks |
| 23:20.12 | vhaarr | ne0-: And you have the latest Ace2 libs, right? |
| 23:20.17 | vhaarr | Update your addons and try again. |
| 23:20.27 | vhaarr | I'm fairly certain the bug has not been fixed, but just in case. |
| 23:20.36 | vhaarr | ne0-: WinAceUpdater is your friend. |
| 23:20.38 | vhaarr | or SVN. |
| 23:21.51 | ne0- | hm i download my bigwigs at http://www.wowace.com/files/index.php?path=BigWigs/ and i havnt any ace2 standalone addon thingis or something |
| 23:22.04 | vhaarr | ne0-: tried WinAceUpdater? |
| 23:22.16 | vhaarr | or wowaceupdater |
| 23:22.18 | vhaarr | whatever |
| 23:22.31 | ne0- | no! but when ich look at lastest.txt and download the file havent i the lastest ace2 files? |
| 23:22.37 | vhaarr | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WowAceUpdater |
| 23:22.41 | vhaarr | no, you don't |
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| 23:23.17 | vhaarr | JJSheets: krka posted a TBC FAIAP on wowinterface |
| 23:23.17 | vhaarr | kek |
| 23:23.30 | ne0- | i need bin right? |
| 23:23.36 | vhaarr | bin? |
| 23:23.38 | vhaarr | yes |
| 23:23.44 | vhaarr | err |
| 23:24.03 | ne0- | omg :( net framework |
| 23:24.15 | ne0- | iam out :P |
| 23:24.32 | Tain | Do not fear the .NENT |
| 23:24.36 | Tain | Or .NET |
| 23:25.24 | ne0- | vhaarr i have to go to bed now! iam back thomororo to fix this nasty bug! |
| 23:25.30 | vhaarr | :P |
| 23:25.58 | ne0- | bye guys |
| 23:26.13 | Xuerian | ~bye ne0- |
| 23:26.37 | purl | no |
| 23:26.45 | Xuerian | Can't you just see him crouching, neo style, then blasting off..... into the nearest building? |
| 23:27.12 | Xuerian | Or a overhead streetlight.... |
| 23:27.23 | Xuerian | Or powerline, rubberbanding straight back into the pavement... |
| 23:28.53 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r16532 10BugSack/BugSack.lua: BugSack: Register events in OnEnable. |
| 23:32.58 | Azurewrath | mhm.. does anyone know what addon modifies the tooltip like this? http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/professions/blacksmithing/1haxe.jpg |
| 23:33.58 | kergoth | probably want http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5819 |
| 23:35.25 | Industrial | I feel so down now cause i wont get a key :( |
| 23:35.36 | pastamancer | :( |
| 23:35.37 | Industrial | ill go get some sleep :( |
| 23:35.40 | Xuerian | ~console Industrial |
| 23:35.41 | purl | ACTION gives Industrial the consolation moose |
| 23:35.50 | Vallerius_work | ./agree Industrial |
| 23:35.50 | Xuerian | I didn't get one either, if it's any additional consolation :p |
| 23:36.15 | Amadeo | Man, I called it from the beginning, didn't I? :P |
| 23:36.29 | Tem | Mikma, the 'problem' with plain ActionButtons is they can't be anything but a normal action button |
| 23:36.58 | Tem | they can't switch based on stance, help/harm, ect |
| 23:37.32 | Industrial | so that means having a bar visible for every stance - always?> |
| 23:40.33 | Tem | no |
| 23:40.38 | Tem | it means using SecureActionButtons instead |
| 23:40.51 | Tem | I wonder... |
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| 23:40.56 | usz | hai |
| 23:41.28 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r16533 10BugSack/BugSack.lua: BugSack: Move the load error database clearing back to OnInitialize and don't update the tablet display if we're not done with OnEnable yet. |
| 23:43.23 | kaiden | oooh rabbit's getting testy :) |
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| 23:43.39 | vhaarr | o_O |
| 23:44.03 | kaiden | x_X |
| 23:44.10 | vhaarr | what do you mean? |
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| 23:51.29 | Tem | Mikma, ok, I was *slightly* wrong |
| 23:52.02 | Tem | Mikma, ActionButton_GetPagedID will check SecureButton_GetModifiedAttribute("action") if you set the button's ID to 0 |
| 23:52.14 | Tem | so you *can* get the default action buttons to change based on stance, ect |
| 23:52.24 | CIA-17 | 03fenlis * r16534 10myBindings2/ (. myBindings2.lua myBindings2.toc): |
| 23:52.24 | CIA-17 | myBindings2 : Add 'Select Character Binding' |
| 23:52.24 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.24 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.24 | CIA-17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.26 | Tem | what you can't do with them is set them directly to a spell or item |
| 23:52.38 | CIA-17 | 03jncl * r16535 10Skinner/options.lua: Skinner: Removed code in options.lua to prevent errors |
| 23:56.00 | Tem | oh, you can also use attributes to set the action's target |
| 23:56.02 | CIA-17 | 03fenlis * r16536 10myBindings2/myBindings2.toc: myBindings2 : Added keyword 'LastChangedRevision' |
| 23:57.20 | Amadeo | So Hellgate: London is done, eh? |
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