irclog2html for #wowace on 20070105

`00:00.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`I suppose if you have 5/5 weaving then that would be accurate... otherwise Blizzard hates you and you can't do that ;)`
`00:00.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`"unfair advantage lol"`
`00:00.37`	`KarlThePagan`	`<3 chronometer`
`00:01.08`	`Overkill`	`so i guess iahve to look to see if you ahve 5/5 then apply on every shadow spell?`
`00:01.13`	`Overkill`	`eww that sucks`
`00:01.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea on my TBC leveling build I'm either doing 3/5 or 4/5 weaving`
`00:02.08`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23411 10Cartographer_Mining/ (Cartographer_Mining.toc addon.lua):`
`00:02.08`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Mining:`
`00:02.08`	`CIA-17`	`- Cartographer_Mining.lua: added "Module description" to list of localizable strings`
`00:02.08`	`CIA-17`	`- Cartographer_Mining.toc: added Notes-deDE`
`00:02.11`	`Overkill`	`yea i was going to do 4/5`
`00:02.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea for non-pvp there's no reason really ;)`
`00:02.33`	`Overkill`	`hate that chrono misses it though`
`00:03.13`	`TheKarn`	`how about taking the last time the count was incremented?`
`00:03.17`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23412 10Cartographer_Noteshare/ (Cartographer_Noteshare.lua Cartographer_Noteshare.toc):`
`00:03.17`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Noteshare:`
`00:03.17`	`CIA-17`	`- updated deDE localization`
`00:03.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`problem it it's capped at 5 applications`
`00:03.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`*is`
`00:03.46`	`Overkill`	`yea so after the 5th you no longer update the timer :(`
`00:03.47`	`TheKarn`	`so?`
`00:03.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`and there's no "Afflicted by X" message after the 5th`
`00:04.16`	`Overkill`	`no message eventhough the debuff gets refressed`
`00:04.17`	`Prophyy`	`any way to make praid go vertical? instead of 2 columns?`
`00:04.34`	`Wogroipl`	`not yet`
`00:05.45`	`*** join/#wowace Picaburn (n=Kirkburn@user-54472348.wfd84a.dsl.pol.co.uk)`
`00:06.14`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23413 10Cartographer_Quests/ (Cartographer_Quests.toc addon.lua):`
`00:06.14`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Quests:`
`00:06.14`	`CIA-17`	`- Cartographer_Quests.lua: added "Module description" to list of localizable strings`
`00:06.14`	`CIA-17`	`- Cartographer_Quests.toc: added Notes-deDE`
`00:06.58`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23414 10Cartographer_Stats/Cartographer_Stats.toc:`
`00:06.58`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Stats:`
`00:06.59`	`CIA-17`	`- Cartographer_Stats.toc: added Notes-deDE`
`00:07.00`	`JoshBork1`	`only if you change the code`
`00:08.52`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: mind grabbing healcomm and enabling debugging and then playing with channeled spells to get me the event orders?`
`00:09.53`	`TheKarn`	`damn i should stop watching Stargate Atlantis`
`00:10.57`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r23415 10!BugGrabber/ (!BugGrabber.toc BugGrabber.lua License.txt gpl.txt): !BugGrabber: Relicensed as GPL v2 or later.`
`00:11.12`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r23416 10BugSack/ (6 files): BugSack: Relicensed as GPL v2 or later.`
`00:11.16`	`*** part/#wowace acumen (i=acumen@ip72-204-3-62.fv.ks.cox.net)`
`00:11.27`	`TheKarn`	`so you decided GPL for BugGrabber et al`
`00:14.30`	`CIA-17`	`03prandur * r23417 10FuBar_RecapFu/RecapFu.lua:`
`00:14.30`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_RecapFu:`
`00:14.30`	`CIA-17`	`- cleaned up some localizations`
`00:14.30`	`CIA-17`	`- performance enhancements courtesy of Darravis`
`00:14.54`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23418 10Cartographer_Trainers/ (Cartographer_Trainers.toc addon.lua):`
`00:14.54`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Trainers:`
`00:14.54`	`CIA-17`	`- addon.lua: added "Module description" and module title to list of localizable texts`
`00:14.54`	`CIA-17`	`- Cartographer_Trainers.toc: added Notes-deDE`
`00:15.26`	`*** join/#wowace Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
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`00:17.46`	`TheKarn`	`kergoth do you read lua wiki's as bedtime reading?`
`00:17.58`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23419 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_GroupClass.lua ag_UnitClass.lua):`
`00:17.59`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`00:17.59`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:18.02`	`CIA-17`	`03dafire * r23420 10TuiRaidTracker/misc/ (3 files): TuiRaidTracker: a bit more advanced decoderscript using itemstats to fetch info from allakhazam and an example output of the script ;)`
`00:18.13`	`JoshBork1`	`i'v been pinged!`
`00:18.15`	`JoshBork1`	`i think i'm late`
`00:18.35`	`JoshBork1`	`will do pasta`
`00:19.24`	`CIA-17`	`03gagorian * r23421 10DrDamage/ (DrDamage.lua DrDamage.toc ReadMe.txt):`
`00:19.24`	`CIA-17`	`DrDamage:`
`00:19.24`	`CIA-17`	`-Added support for CT_BarMod. Rewrote AB text update code (more efficient now). Several bugfixes. Reduced the amount of new tables created. Combined two functions.`
`00:19.45`	`CIA-17`	`03adirelle 07french-loc * r23422 10GloryLib/GloryLib/Glory-2.0/Glory-2.0.lua: Glory (french-loc): debugged french localization. Most things seems to work.`
`00:20.31`	vid`	`anyone OC a core2duo yet?`
`00:20.47`	vid`	`alot of people are saying mine should oc from 2.4->3.4 with no prob`
`00:20.53`	vid`	`that would rock`
`00:20.58`	`JoshBork1`	`pastamancer: i don't have to do anything special do i?`
`00:21.22`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: just make sure Healcomm.lua gets run and then /run Healcomm:ToggleDebugging()`
`00:21.37`	`CIA-17`	`03adirelle 07adirelle * r23423 10SorrenTimers/SorrenTimers/ (Battleground.lua Core.lua Settings.lua):`
`00:21.37`	`CIA-17`	`SorrenTimers: (Adirelle's branch)`
`00:21.37`	`CIA-17`	`- debugged battleground timers.`
`00:21.46`	`pastamancer`	`then just watch for debug messages in ChatFrame1 for the _CHANNEL_ events`
`00:22.20`	`kergoth`	`TheKarn: no, i'm on the lua mailing list, and someone mentioned it.`
`00:22.29`	`TheKarn`	`ah ok`
`00:22.35`	`TheKarn`	`not _quite_ as sad as i thought`
`00:22.37`	`JoshBork1`	`ko`
`00:22.49`	`kergoth`	`i've used lua since long before i bought wow`
`00:22.52`	`kergoth`	`sad it is not`
`00:22.58`	`JoshBork1`	`quite`
`00:23.00`	`TheKarn`	`ah ok`
`00:23.23`	`kergoth`	`i'm an embedded linux developer, and lua is uniquely suited to embedded devices`
`00:23.33`	`CIA-17`	`03prandur * r23424 10FuBar_RecapFu/RecapFu.lua:`
`00:23.34`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_RecapFu:`
`00:23.34`	`CIA-17`	`- fixed improper variable initialization`
`00:24.42`	`JoshBork1`	`helps if i enable the mod i put Healcomm.lua into...`
`00:24.49`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: :p`
`00:25.04`	`JoshBork1`	`what can i say? i never use grid ;-)`
`00:25.13`	`*** join/#wowace Ominous (i=HydraIRC@88-111-86-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)`
`00:26.10`	`TheKarn`	`kergoth, i knew i recognised your name from somewhere`
`00:26.15`	`TheKarn`	`gentoo-embedded?`
`00:26.23`	`JoshBork1`	`so far`
`00:26.31`	`JoshBork1`	`SENT->channel start->succeeded->channel stop`
`00:26.37`	`Overkill`	`vid: i have a code2duo oc'd`
`00:27.08`	`Overkill`	`6600 oc'd to 3.1 with no hassle at all and stock voltage`
`00:27.29`	`Cairenn`	`Vanguard now in Open Beta (fyi)`
`00:28.05`	`JoshBork1`	`bah, it's spamming my main chat window =/`
`00:28.09`	`Gagorian`	`So can anyone help me on this predicament: Should I add itembonuslib for just one rather insignificant feature?`
`00:28.23`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: hrm, so it sounds like I don't need the channel events except maybe for update if start and succeeded are sent`
`00:28.27`	`Gagorian`	`I've been starting to add it a few times but removed the code. I need to make up my mind :D`
`00:28.55`	`Gagorian`	`The downside of adding a lib is quite small if the lib is already in use in another addon, right?`
`00:29.05`	`Gagorian`	`But if it isn't it's more memory consumed?`
`00:29.07`	`[dRaCo]`	`can't you make it lod? like, let the user decide if he wants it`
`00:30.21`	`[dRaCo]`	`disable it by default`
`00:30.41`	`dafire`	`kergoth: on which devices are you developing ? i was always interested in that ;)`
`00:30.46`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23425 10Cartographer_Treasure/ (Cartographer_Treasure.lua Cartographer_Treasure.toc):`
`00:30.46`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Treasure:`
`00:30.46`	`CIA-17`	`- Cartographer_Treasure.toc: added Notes-deDE`
`00:30.46`	`CIA-17`	`- Cartographer_Treasure.lua: added Module description to list of localizable strings`
`00:30.49`	`[dRaCo]`	`should be that much more of an effort than adding it for everyone`
`00:30.55`	`Gagorian`	`[dRaCo]: Maybe that's the best option`
`00:32.24`	`Tain`	`Chock full of the funny! http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/109185.aspx`
`00:34.47`	`Gagorian`	`hmmh, the library isn't LoD`
`00:35.17`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23426 10Cartographer_Vendors/ (Cartographer_Vendors.toc addon.lua):`
`00:35.17`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Vendors:`
`00:35.17`	`CIA-17`	`- Cartographer_Vendors.toc: added Notes-deDE`
`00:35.17`	`CIA-17`	`- addon.lua: added Module description and title to list of localizable strings`
`00:35.36`	`[dRaCo]`	`pity`
`00:36.18`	`Eternally777`	`I'd like to see a module for Cartographer that automatically adds notes to positions of quest-givers.`
`00:36.21`	`ckknight`	`Gagorian: make a lib`
`00:36.34`	`ckknight`	`go for it, Eternally777`
`00:36.36`	`Eternally777`	`And possibly notes when an objective is achieved`
`00:36.44`	`Eternally777`	`Pssh, who says I know how to right mods?`
`00:37.01`	`Eternally777`	`s/right/write/`
`00:37.03`	`Eternally777`	`Who says I know how to spell?`
`00:37.37`	vid`	`http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newoverclocknt3.jpg`
`00:37.40`	vid`	`damn that gives me hope :)`
`00:38.24`	`Tain`	`I installed bbLean (version of Blackbox for Windows) and damn I love it.`
`00:39.07`	`kergoth`	`TheKarn: i've communicated with the gentoo embedded folks, the emdebian folks, and others. not active in those communities though`
`00:39.10`	`Herio`	`bbLean? llBean?`
`00:39.26`	`Eternally777`	vid`: I'd like to know if that was in a laptop or a desktop.
`00:39.37`	`kergoth`	`TheKarn: I started the openzaurus project, the distro for the sharp zaurus pdas, and the openembedded project, the build infrastructure for constructing embedded linux distros, which is used by familiar, openzaurus, and a shitload of other projects`
`00:39.38`	vid`	`desktop`
`00:39.41`	vid`	`same setup i got`
`00:39.47`	vid`	`c2d e6600`
`00:39.50`	vid`	`asus p5b deluxe`
`00:39.59`	`Eternally777`	`Bummer, would've been more impressed had it been a desktop. Respectable nonetheless.`
`00:40.01`	`nuOHEP`	`Eternally777, i think Cart_Quests adds notes for questgivers (at least the description says so)`
`00:40.05`	vid`	`it runs 2.4ghz @ stock fsb`
`00:40.08`	vid`	`266x9`
`00:40.14`	vid`	`apparantly it will goto 400x9`
`00:40.25`	`[dRaCo]`	`woah, that's lot`
`00:40.27`	vid`	`and only going up like .10v`
`00:40.35`	vid`	`yea 3.6ghz`
`00:40.36`	vid`	`:D`
`00:40.37`	vid`	`on air`
`00:40.41`	`Eternally777`	`Heh`
`00:40.46`	`[dRaCo]`	`and it's ddr ram`
`00:40.49`	`Eternally777`	`Try it with yours :-P`
`00:40.52`	vid`	`im gonna`
`00:40.58`	vid`	`i also want to overclock my video`
`00:41.07`	vid`	`my shit is begging to be oc'd`
`00:41.10`	vid`	`idle @ 26c`
`00:41.12`	vid`	`load @ 40c`
`00:41.22`	vid`	`i got plenty of room`
`00:41.24`	`Eternally777`	`I remember when I was young (two years ago) and installed my own custom water cooling system in my PC...`
`00:41.29`	`Gagorian`	`ckknight: It's already a Lib if I understood you correctly`
`00:41.33`	vid`	`lol i still wont touch water cooling`
`00:41.37`	vid`	`im too paranoid about a fitting blowing`
`00:41.38`	`Gagorian`	`it's just not LoD (ItemBonusLib)`
`00:41.42`	vid`	`im into cars too`
`00:41.44`	`ckknight`	`oh, make it LoD.`
`00:41.47`	`Eternally777`	`After that week, I gave up on overclocking and watercooling.`
`00:41.49`	`Gagorian`	`Yeah it should be`
`00:41.53`	vid`	`and ive had buddies wreck because of coolant lines blowin off`
`00:41.54`	`ckknight`	`all libs should be LoD`
`00:41.59`	`Gagorian`	`indeed`
`00:42.04`	vid`	`and blowing coolant over their front tires @ 100mph :P`
`00:42.12`	vid`	`the lines will blow off in a pc too`
`00:42.18`	vid`	`not a matter of if, but wen`
`00:42.36`	vid`	`granted a car gets a lot more abuse, vibration etc :P`
`00:43.28`	vid`	`http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=verylatestorthosbk9sm2.jpg`
`00:43.29`	`Eternally777`	`Substantially more.`
`00:43.30`	vid`	`theres another one`
`00:43.33`	vid`	`i dont like those temps`
`00:43.36`	vid`	`but still stable enough`
`00:43.48`	vid`	`my target is around 50c that way when summer hits i can still run the same OC :P`
`00:43.53`	vid`	`when the ambient temps go up`
`00:44.28`	`Ominous`	`does anyone have a comprensive gather/cartograoher_herbalism settings file i can have?`
`00:44.53`	`Kaelten`	`RobertT and alexf? do we have another porn problem?`
`00:44.58`	`CIA-17`	`03gagorian * r23427 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib.toc: ItemBonusLib: -Now LoD as it should be`
`00:45.02`	`Eternally777`	`lol.. I'm running an antique Pentium 4 Northwood 3.06GHz w/ HT. It runs that hot for fun.`
`00:45.11`	vid`	`yea`
`00:45.15`	vid`	`i had a p4 2.8 :)`
`00:45.18`	vid`	`that idled @ 60c`
`00:45.19`	`*** join/#wowace Amadeo (n=amadeo@c-69-244-72-105.hsd1.md.comcast.net)`
`00:45.20`	vid`	`lol`
`00:45.24`	vid`	`used to shut down like every day`
`00:45.34`	vid`	`be like beep beep im a piece of shit that overheats beep beep`
`00:45.41`	vid`	`and then poof pc goes off`
`00:45.43`	`[dRaCo]`	`making itembonuslib lod didn't take that long ^^`
`00:45.47`	`Eternally777`	`I want to see the overclock numbers on the Core 2 Duo mobile chips.`
`00:45.59`	vid`	`they oc just as good`
`00:46.05`	vid`	`but heat is more of a concern`
`00:47.17`	`JoshBork1`	`Kaelten: gief combine!`
`00:49.30`	`Eej`	`man core 2 duos are amazing`
`00:49.50`	`Eej`	`1ghz OC at stock voltage and idling at 34C`
`00:52.19`	vid`	`heh`
`00:52.19`	vid`	`dude`
`00:52.22`	vid`	`my cooler rocks too`
`00:52.27`	vid`	`as soon as i shut off stress test`
`00:52.37`	vid`	`my cpu temp goes from like 45c to 30c within 2 seconds flat`
`00:52.45`	vid`	`and then within 5 seconds its back to 25-26c`
`00:52.50`	vid`	`ahehe`
`00:52.53`	vid`	`moves mad air`
`00:53.10`	vid`	`i got one of those big ass zalman cnps9500 or whatever it is`
`00:53.17`	vid`	`and that antec case that has a 200mm fan on top`
`00:53.27`	vid`	`and 6 120mm's :P`
`00:53.39`	vid`	`it's pretty quiet too because the fans are so big`
`00:53.45`	vid`	`slow rpm but a lot of cfm`
`00:55.05`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23428 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua:`
`00:55.05`	`CIA-17`	`DewdropLib`
`00:55.05`	`CIA-17`	`- DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: added deDE localization`
`00:55.25`	`JoshBork1`	`and the case weighs like 50 lbs right?`
`00:55.28`	`*** join/#wowace Antiar1 (n=Chris@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`00:55.33`	vid`	`nah`
`00:55.38`	vid`	`ligher then the last one i had`
`00:55.41`	vid`	`sec ill put up pic`
`00:56.03`	vid`	`:P`
`00:56.29`	vid`	`i regret not getting an SLI board tho`
`00:57.08`	`pastamancer`	vid`: how do you afford the power bill? :p
`00:57.17`	vid`	`shrug`
`00:57.26`	vid`	`same way i afford gas in my mustang`
`00:57.29`	vid`	`that gets 10mpg`
`00:57.31`	vid`	`:P`
`00:57.34`	`pastamancer`	`haha`
`00:57.53`	`pastamancer`	`on an unrelated note, fuck queues`
`00:58.12`	`*** part/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@dsl027-181-250.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net)`
`00:58.16`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r23429 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (Bars.lua Core.lua): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: Texture Bug`
`00:58.22`	`*** join/#wowace vhaarr (n=chatzill@239.81-167-8.customer.lyse.net)`
`00:58.22`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v vhaarr] by ChanServ`
`00:58.27`	`ckknight`	`hey vhaarr`
`00:58.39`	`vhaarr`	`hey ckk`
`01:01.33`	`*** join/#wowace Nomad_Wanderer (n=chatzill@cpe-66-66-149-60.rochester.res.rr.com)`
`01:03.34`	`Ominous`	`is find weakness a buff on you?`
`01:04.27`	`Eej`	`debuff`
`01:04.46`	`Eej`	`actually i can't remember now`
`01:04.47`	`*** join/#wowace syeren (n=syeren@host81-129-234-33.range81-129.btcentralplus.com)`
`01:05.04`	`Eej`	`oohh, find weakness, not expose weakness`
`01:05.07`	`Eej`	`find weakness is a self buff ya`
`01:05.11`	`syeren`	`Anyone have anything good or bad to say about the new PerfectRaid?`
`01:05.29`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Does anyone know where I can find GridStatusHealPriority? It's talked about on the wowace forums, but isn't listed in wowace.com/files, the grid mods page, or wowI.. is there someplace I'm missing?`
`01:05.29`	`syeren`	`Eej, what is EJ's chat Server :P?`
`01:05.42`	`Eej`	`I do'nt know :P`
`01:06.17`	`Codayus`	`syeren: A guildie told me it was "weird" and he "didn't like the changes". Personally, I'm just using grid. No idea.`
`01:06.35`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r23430 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua:`
`01:06.36`	`CIA-17`	`!BugGrabber:`
`01:06.36`	`CIA-17`	`- slight cleanup`
`01:06.36`	`CIA-17`	`- if _G[addon] doesn't exist, get the version from GetAddOnMetadata(addon, "Version")`
`01:06.41`	`syeren`	`I don't like Grid :/`
`01:06.53`	`syeren`	`Tried using AG Raid Frames, but the range checker I have doesn't work so well.`
`01:07.03`	`syeren`	`And PerfectRaid does have a range checker that works apparantly.`
`01:07.21`	`[dRaCo]`	`sRaidFrames works, too ;)`
`01:07.22`	vid`	`k uploading ss's of the big ass pc`
`01:07.23`	vid`	`lol`
`01:07.29`	`Eej`	`syeren: aren't the forums enough? :P`
`01:07.29`	vid`	`it looks dusty in the pics`
`01:07.29`	vid`	`:(`
`01:07.32`	vid`	`goddamn shit`
`01:07.36`	vid`	`this thing is a dust magnet`
`01:07.52`	vid`	`http://www.saecula.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=118`
`01:08.08`	vid`	`i got a 22" monitor now instead of the 19" and got rid of the pos printer`
`01:08.14`	`syeren`	`Ugly as hell Vid :p`
`01:08.16`	`syeren`	`Your tower that is.`
`01:08.21`	`syeren`	`And is that a G5 your using?`
`01:08.23`	vid`	`http://www.saecula.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=119`
`01:08.26`	`syeren`	`Or an MX518?`
`01:08.26`	`Yinchie`	`my case is even a worse dust magnet`
`01:08.30`	vid`	`http://www.saecula.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=120`
`01:08.49`	vid`	`g5`
`01:08.53`	vid`	`i liked the mx better tho`
`01:08.58`	vid`	`i miss the 2 thumb buttons`
`01:09.11`	vid`	`like my gremlin? :P`
`01:09.13`	vid`	`lol`
`01:09.13`	`syeren`	`I had an MX518.`
`01:09.14`	`TheKarn`	`i wish my g7 had the two thumb buttons`
`01:09.14`	`Yinchie`	vid`: http://itchy.nl/my-system/ my front has 2 intake fans too. check my side.
`01:09.24`	ag`	`I have the stretch my thumb too long to use the last thumb button`
`01:09.30`	`syeren`	`Tried a g5, the middle button is rather horrible, and only one side button...`
`01:09.30`	ag`	`so I don't care for it :S`
`01:09.37`	`syeren`	`So upgraded to a MX Revolution.`
`01:09.40`	vid`	`Yinchie: 3.6 eeh`
`01:09.42`	vid`	`thats what im goin for`
`01:09.42`	vid`	`:)`
`01:10.01`	vid`	`and crazy case`
`01:10.05`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: channeled spells are wierd`
`01:10.18`	`Yinchie`	`my case has dust filters so i am not too bothered that it is being a dust magnet, its easy to get it clean , just vacuum on the filters :)`
`01:10.23`	`syeren`	ag`, make a working range checker goddamnit!
`01:10.29`	`syeren`	`The ones that are currently out are horrible.`
`01:10.39`	vid`	`yea i think im going to get dust filters`
`01:10.46`	vid`	`ive had this 2 months`
`01:10.55`	vid`	`and theres quite a bit on bottom now`
`01:11.00`	ag`	`stuff needs fixing before I start on something new`
`01:11.20`	`Yinchie`	`there is barely any dust or none at all in my case thanks to the nylon filters.`
`01:11.38`	`Yinchie`	`this case keeps my desk area dust free ;p`
`01:11.46`	vid`	`Yinchie: no probs to oc to 3.6?`
`01:11.50`	vid`	`thats 400mhz FSB right?`
`01:11.51`	`Yinchie`	`no probs`
`01:12.07`	vid`	`i have a Zalman CNPS9500 or whatever model it is i forget`
`01:12.11`	vid`	`the bigass one`
`01:12.17`	vid`	`still running stock clock`
`01:12.42`	vid`	`12(CPU12) 2-Intel� Core�2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz, 2400MHz, 0KB (7% Load) .:. 12(RAM12) usage: 880/2048MB (42.97%) .:. 12(GFX12) NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT/GTO, 12(Display12) 1680x1050/32bit/60Hz`
`01:12.42`	vid`	`12(OS12) Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), 12(installed for12) 10w 15h 15m, 12(uptime12) 1d 23h 41m 58s .:. 12(HDDs12) 79.0GB/475GB(16.6%) free`
`01:12.45`	`Yinchie`	`i got scythe ninja plus rev. b, its a 99% fit in my bit tower.`
`01:12.45`	vid`	`:(`
`01:12.49`	vid`	`lol`
`01:12.52`	vid`	`yea i heard those are very tight`
`01:13.00`	`syeren`	vid`, how much did you spend on your Logitech set up?
`01:13.02`	`CIA-17`	`03matini * r23431 10Cartographer_Trainers/addon.lua: Cartographer_Trainers: Add zhTW locale`
`01:13.13`	vid`	`z5500's were $225 my cost`
`01:13.15`	`syeren`	`Sound set up anyways.`
`01:13.20`	`Yinchie`	vid`: heh good CPU, crappy vid card ;p
`01:13.21`	vid`	`g15 / g5 i bought retail`
`01:13.30`	`syeren`	`Why the hell would you spend that much money on a fucking PC Manufacturer set up?`
`01:13.34`	vid`	`video card was good 2.5 months ago`
`01:13.40`	`syeren`	`When you could actually spend the money on people who make good audio systems :P?`
`01:13.40`	vid`	`7900gto :P`
`01:13.53`	vid`	`its a 7900GTX relabeled`
`01:14.04`	vid`	`you can see on the box where they put a sticker over it`
`01:14.08`	vid`	`and then they mark it down $150`
`01:14.08`	vid`	`hehe`
`01:14.20`	vid`	`the put a big sticker over the X and put an O :P`
`01:14.27`	vid`	`well im trying to get a blower for my car`
`01:14.29`	`Yinchie`	`or faulty box`
`01:14.32`	`Yinchie`	`:)`
`01:14.33`	vid`	`so no 8800gtx :P`
`01:14.42`	`CIA-17`	`03matini * r23432 10Cartographer_Vendors/addon.lua: Cartographer_Vendors: Add zhTW locale`
`01:14.43`	vid`	`nah 7900gto was limited stock`
`01:14.49`	vid`	`it had the old memory that didnt clock as high`
`01:14.54`	vid`	`so they dumped em cheap`
`01:14.54`	`Yinchie`	`i am saving money atm for summer vacation, planning to do some more system upgrades...`
`01:14.59`	`CIA-17`	`03matini * r23433 10Cartographer_Quests/addon.lua: Cartographer_Quests: Add zhTW locale`
`01:15.00`	vid`	`but it oc's passed gtx specs with no prob`
`01:15.17`	vid`	`syeren: my pc is my entertainment center :P`
`01:15.44`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Will any of you play Vanguard?`
`01:16.02`	`syeren`	`Well then spend your music on a better audio set up instead of Logitech Trash ;)`
`01:16.52`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Or, did any of you beta test it`
`01:16.52`	vid`	`like what?`
`01:16.52`	`*** join/#wowace nymbia (n=nymbia@168-103-201-94.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`01:16.52`	vid`	`i had klipsch`
`01:16.52`	vid`	`the logitech blows it away`
`01:16.52`	vid`	`i can hear it in my backyard`
`01:16.52`	vid`	`with my window closed in my house`
`01:16.52`	`Eternally777`	`[Cu]Werik: I have some friends who did.`
`01:16.54`	`Eternally777`	`I personally don't like it.`
`01:16.57`	vid`	`and it shakes shit off the shelves 2 stories down`
`01:16.59`	vid`	`:)`
`01:16.59`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Me neither`
`01:17.06`	vid`	`i went in my basement and im 2 stories up`
`01:17.11`	vid`	`all the shit rattled off the shelves`
`01:17.16`	vid`	`when i was testing the sub`
`01:17.18`	vid`	`haha`
`01:17.22`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I just came to spread my hate because they lifted the NDA a few minutes ago:P`
`01:17.45`	`nymbia`	`what do we hate?`
`01:17.46`	`Eternally777`	`Ahh lol`
`01:17.53`	`Eternally777`	`nymbia: Vanguard`
`01:17.55`	`nymbia`	`aha`
`01:17.57`	`syeren`	`http://www.richersounds.co.uk/productlist.php?cda=productlist&sgroup=SPEAKERPACKAGES&sort=price&SID=9ff8f08e63ea9ab9f8843aa022bc9843`
`01:18.09`	`syeren`	`Although the chances of you knowing about a UK manufacturer are slim!`
`01:18.25`	`[dRaCo]`	`i didn't like vanguard that much...`
`01:18.44`	`Tornhoof`	`weird game, gildie had beta account, weird game`
`01:18.51`	`syeren`	`I heard SoE are making the developers of Vanguard Release it early ;p`
`01:18.55`	`syeren`	`Like this month :p`
`01:19.07`	`Codayus`	`From what I've heard about Vanguard, I don't think I've got any interest in it.`
`01:19.09`	`Eternally777`	`They keep telling me that it's going to replace WoW in MMOs. They say a lot of people are going to switch.`
`01:19.10`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I don't agree with either their distribution policy or how the game behaves;P`
`01:19.11`	`Eternally777`	`But I doubt them.`
`01:19.26`	`Tornhoof`	`and yes draco i need to hook those battleground events, i forgot that arena resets the mana tide cooldown ;)`
`01:19.42`	`Codayus`	`As I hear it, the general philosiphy behind the game isn't very...hmm...WoW-ish.`
`01:19.46`	`[dRaCo]`	`he, that's something I can test ;)`
`01:19.51`	`ckknight`	`what's Vanguard all about?`
`01:19.57`	`ckknight`	`[Cu]Werik: distribution policy?`
`01:20.03`	`syeren`	And you also have to remember vid` that � >>> $, so you would probably get less for your money :p
`01:20.14`	`[Cu]Werik`	`yeah, they only allow people with the expensive collectors edition to create guilds`
`01:20.21`	`Tornhoof`	`we did some funny rounds with 3 resto shamans, funny, waiting for the enemy to be out of mana than slowly hiting them to death ;)`
`01:20.27`	`ckknight`	`[Cu]Werik: boo`
`01:20.31`	`[dRaCo]`	`^^`
`01:20.34`	`Tornhoof`	`whut werik?`
`01:20.39`	vid`	`http://www.saecula.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=121`
`01:20.41`	`Tornhoof`	`that's unfunny`
`01:20.43`	vid`	`theres the new monitor`
`01:20.45`	`Eternally777`	`[Cu]Werik: That's never going to fly.`
`01:20.47`	vid`	`i just took that pic 5 seconds ago`
`01:20.52`	`[dRaCo]`	`sounds like a lotta fun`
`01:20.52`	`[Cu]Werik`	`will or not`
`01:20.57`	`[Cu]Werik`	`it is set`
`01:20.59`	vid`	`ignore my wire mess under the desk`
`01:20.59`	vid`	`haha`
`01:21.02`	vid`	`aka fire nest`
`01:21.05`	`[Cu]Werik`	`you need CE to make guilds`
`01:21.33`	vid`	`see the bigass xbox360 brick behind my 22" monitor? :P`
`01:21.36`	vid`	`thing is huge`
`01:21.38`	vid`	`cant hide it`
`01:21.38`	vid`	`hehe`
`01:21.39`	`Kemayo`	`nevcairiel: Quixote wants acecomm because it shares quest info between clients.`
`01:22.19`	`Codayus`	`[Cu]Werik: Fits with what I've heard of the designers philosiphy.`
`01:22.25`	`*** join/#wowace DrZoot (n=DrZoot@60-240-251-200.tpgi.com.au)`
`01:22.27`	`Tornhoof`	`how much is the CE?`
`01:22.29`	`[Cu]Werik`	`It is a pathetic attempt to squeeze out money from others and it is also unfair, you get less content for the same monthy fee. They restrict your abilities depending on your wealht`
`01:23.04`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I mean purse`
`01:23.06`	`kenlyric\|home`	`what do the medals in AV do?`
`01:23.26`	`Codayus`	`As I understand it, the game is designed to be much more hardcore than WoW. Wasn't there like a big uproar on the forums when they added an in-game map, because that made the game too carebear?`
`01:23.35`	`[dRaCo]`	`you can trade them for pvp rewards`
`01:23.49`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Codayus, whatever it is, in the long run this is discrimination`
`01:23.57`	`kenlyric\|home`	`no, not the marcs, the medals, and this was the wrong channel anyway :)`
`01:24.00`	vid`	`btw`
`01:24.01`	`[Cu]Werik`	`CE is 90$`
`01:24.04`	`Codayus`	`Heh`
`01:24.08`	vid`	`if you look @ my pic, you can spy something @ bottom left corner`
`01:24.09`	vid`	`haha`
`01:24.13`	vid`	`http://www.saecula.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=121 :P`
`01:24.21`	`Codayus`	`I agree it's a bad idea.`
`01:24.21`	vid`	`look again @ bottom left under drawer`
`01:24.25`	vid`	`er cabinet`
`01:24.37`	vid`	`i had to do it, i kept blowing breaker in my room from power draw haha`
`01:24.40`	`Tornhoof`	`hmm that's much werik,`
`01:24.45`	`Codayus`	`Besides, all it takes is an in-game minipet to make people go nuts over a CE.`
`01:24.57`	`[Cu]Werik`	`every player should start with equal rights`
`01:25.03`	`Codayus`	`<-- Bought the WoW CE, preordered the TBC CE, and both sold out WELL before launch.`
`01:25.16`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: instant spells suck`
`01:25.57`	`[Cu]Werik`	`:)`
`01:26.02`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I don't know`
`01:26.18`	`Codayus`	`I'm more interested in the Warhammer MMO personally.`
`01:26.18`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I prefer spending that extra money on some stuff to make the game run better`
`01:27.43`	`[Cu]Werik`	`oh yea, WAR is interesting. But... though I am a huge WAR fan, much bigger WAR fan than WoW fan, they are heading to a wrong direction imho`
`01:28.10`	`Codayus`	`I haven't been keeping too much track of the direction.`
`01:29.00`	`Codayus`	`Last I heard, they were making a big push towards faction based pvp, with in-game consequences. Storming and sacking cities, etc. Sounded cool.`
`01:29.02`	`[Cu]Werik`	`They are holding on like grim death to their roots and their DAoC stuff, they are licencing technologies used for DAoC`
`01:29.18`	`[Cu]Werik`	`which is 5-6 years old?`
`01:29.22`	`Codayus`	`Heh`
`01:29.46`	`[Cu]Werik`	`they are making a console version`
`01:29.48`	`Codayus`	`It's a cool franchise, I hope something comes of it.`
`01:30.01`	`[Cu]Werik`	`and things like these`
`01:30.33`	`[Cu]Werik`	`They want to make it into a DAoC sequel instead of a warhammer game`
`01:31.33`	vid`	`http://www.saecula.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=122`
`01:31.38`	vid`	`zomg wires ^^`
`01:31.57`	vid`	`and yes that is 2 apc's and an outdoor extension cord cause i keep overloading circuit in my room since its only 20amp`
`01:32.04`	vid`	`and i need more juice`
`01:33.11`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: ping-ity, ping ping ping`
`01:33.49`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Anyway, we already know, WAR will have UI modding in it. What do you think, what language they will pick for it Codayus?`
`01:34.01`	`Codayus`	`>.> Umm...no idea?`
`01:34.09`	`Codayus`	`Lua or Python, I'd guess...`
`01:34.39`	`CIA-17`	`03neriak * r23434 10Fence/ (Core.lua modules/Fence_AutoFill.lua):`
`01:34.39`	`CIA-17`	`Fence:`
`01:34.40`	`CIA-17`	`- AutoFill: hopefully fixed the bug until major update later today. Please note that in the next version I have to delete all saved variables once again, probably the for last time though:)`
`01:36.00`	vid`	`hmm`
`01:36.05`	vid`	`WAU is bugging out on some folders`
`01:36.11`	ag`	`the BG calender in HonorFu seems to be bugged`
`01:36.12`	vid`	`ItemBonusLib failed to create and it deleted it :P`
`01:36.25`	ag`	`it's using the wrong dates afaik`
`01:37.05`	ag`	`haha, if WAR is going to use Lua.. Let the porting of Ace2 begin`
`01:37.27`	vid`	`war?`
`01:37.31`	vid`	`oh warhammer`
`01:37.31`	vid`	`hehe`
`01:37.53`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I took a look at it at GenCon SoCal.`
`01:38.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Looked like a carbon copy of the WoW interface, with entirely too much PvP focus.`
`01:38.26`	`DrZoot`	`anyone know a good irc client for windows, hydrairc is not doing it for me`
`01:38.32`	ag`	`xchat`
`01:38.43`	ag`	`not free I guess`
`01:39.20`	`Yinchie`	`xchat is free`
`01:39.27`	`DrZoot`	`not for windows its not`
`01:39.28`	ag`	`not on windows`
`01:39.36`	`Yinchie`	`it is`
`01:39.39`	`Yinchie`	`always been free`
`01:39.46`	`DrZoot`	`thats actually really funny`
`01:39.51`	`Yinchie`	`source is freely available`
`01:39.58`	`Yinchie`	`you can compile it by yourself`
`01:39.58`	`DrZoot`	`....`
`01:40.02`	`Yinchie`	`or let someone else compile it`
`01:40.06`	`Yinchie`	`like silverex, http://www.silverex.org`
`01:40.36`	`Yinchie`	`you actually pay the person at xchat to compile it for you, not paying for the program :)`
`01:40.55`	ag`	`hah, I never noticed that`
`01:41.05`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r23435 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (6 files in 3 dirs): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - Find Weakness SHOULD now work`
`01:41.13`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23436 10Bartender3/ (3 files in 2 dirs):`
`01:41.14`	`CIA-17`	`Bartender3:`
`01:41.14`	`CIA-17`	`- Bartender3_BarClass.lua: added support for localization of modifier key names (ctrl, alt, shift)`
`01:41.14`	`CIA-17`	`- Bartender3-enUS.lua: ditto`
`01:41.14`	`CIA-17`	`- Bartender3-deDE.lua: updated deDE localization`
`01:41.14`	ag`	`I thought he made some win32 specific stuff`
`01:41.15`	`Yinchie`	`they cant even charge for xchat self since tis gpl licensed`
`01:41.21`	`JoshBork1`	`pastamancer: pong`
`01:41.24`	`JoshBork1`	`sorry, wsg...`
`01:41.32`	`Yinchie`	`opensource, alot ppl contributed.`
`01:41.33`	`JoshBork1`	`actually fun as a lock`
`01:41.34`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: instant spells`
`01:41.41`	`ckknight`	`Yinchie: you can charge for GPL software.`
`01:41.51`	`JoshBork1`	`SENT->SUCCEEDED`
`01:41.59`	`Yinchie`	`imo not when alot ppl has contributed ;P`
`01:42.03`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: no chance for the message receiver to GetUnitCastingInfo`
`01:42.16`	`Yinchie`	`those ppl arent getting payed. xchat sudenly came up with the paying scheme for windows`
`01:42.16`	`ckknight`	`Yinchie: it's not about your opinion, it's about what the license states.`
`01:42.23`	`JoshBork1`	`oh, yea, i know. what can you do then?`
`01:42.23`	`pastamancer`	`or whatever it's called`
`01:42.25`	`ckknight`	`take a look at the license.`
`01:42.26`	ag`	`Yinchie: a lot of people contributed to Linux, for example...`
`01:42.30`	ag`	`It's still getting sold`
`01:42.32`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: that's why I was sending spell + rank`
`01:43.05`	`Yinchie`	`reason you pay for xchat windows is because its cough hard to compile cough`
`01:43.07`	`pastamancer`	`and since euros have multiple languages on the same server, we can't send the spell name directly`
`01:43.23`	`JoshBork1`	`hrm`
`01:43.42`	`pastamancer`	`I really don't feel like sucking in all of babble-spell`
`01:44.05`	`pastamancer`	`but I think that's the only way: to abbreviate every single castable spell`
`01:44.11`	ag`	`how do you compile shit on windows anyway`
`01:44.13`	ag`	`no GCC`
`01:44.16`	`JoshBork1`	`i've just been ignoring instant cast`
`01:44.20`	`pastamancer`	ag`: cygwin, mingw
`01:44.27`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: lol`
`01:44.31`	`JoshBork1`	`you're using instant casts for renews?`
`01:44.36`	`DrZoot`	ag`, cygwin?
`01:44.53`	ag`	`dunnog about cygwin guys, xchat for win32 doesn't depend on cygwin to run`
`01:44.54`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: not actually watching for renew`
`01:46.00`	`JoshBork1`	`where does the instant cast spells come in to play?`
`01:46.41`	`pastamancer`	`I'm watching spellcast_sent so I can't ignore instant spells`
`01:46.45`	`JoshBork1`	`my english is not so good for being my native tongue`
`01:47.04`	`JoshBork1`	`that's why i watch SENT for info but trigger on START`
`01:47.22`	`pastamancer`	`instant's don't START?`
`01:47.38`	`JoshBork1`	`no`
`01:47.50`	`*** join/#wowace DrZoot_ (n=DrZoot@60-240-251-200.tpgi.com.au)`
`01:48.13`	`*** join/#wowace DrZoot (n=DrZoot@60-240-251-200.tpgi.com.au)`
`01:48.58`	`kenlyric\|home`	`is there a way I'm missing to make agUF page from one bar to another permanently without a stance change? (Like how you can scroll between bars 1 and 2 in the default unit frame?`
`01:49.21`	ag`	`aguf?`
`01:49.26`	ag`	`page bars? :o`
`01:49.28`	`*** join/#wowace syeren (n=syeren@host81-129-234-33.range81-129.btcentralplus.com)`
`01:50.13`	`*** part/#wowace Eternally777 (n=Eternall@pool-71-254-223-40.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net)`
`01:50.24`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r23437 10Cartographer_Trainers/addon.lua:`
`01:50.24`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Trainers:`
`01:50.25`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`01:50.44`	`syeren`	`Can anyone suggest a good Disk Defragmenter for Windows? And don't say the one in Windows ;p`
`01:51.23`	`kenlyric\|home`	ag`: well, it allows switching with a stance change, or temporarily with a button press. But I want a way to change from bar 1 to bar 6 without a stance change. Thought maybe i was just missing it.
`01:51.23`	`Azurewrath`	`syeren: O&O Defrag`
`01:51.27`	`[dRaCo]`	`http://www.oo-software.com/en/products/oodefrag/index.html <---`
`01:51.32`	`[dRaCo]`	`not free, though`
`01:51.42`	`Azurewrath`	`best, though. :)`
`01:51.44`	ag`	`kenlyric\|home: aguf isn't an action bar`
`01:51.49`	`JoshBork1`	`pastamancer: which is another reason i cache, since i don't do anything until start`
`01:51.51`	`syeren`	`Not free? Hmmm :/`
`01:51.56`	`DrZoot`	`whoever suggested xchat to me, thanks, its quite good`
`01:51.58`	`syeren`	`How much is it :P?`
`01:52.02`	`kenlyric\|home`	`god, why doesn't my brain work?`
`01:52.08`	`kenlyric\|home`	`I meant bartender.`
`01:52.24`	`[dRaCo]`	`~50$`
`01:52.57`	`syeren`	`I found a torrent already :p`
`01:53.05`	`[dRaCo]`	`evil leecher.`
`01:53.10`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r23438 10!SurfaceControl/ (. !SurfaceControl.toc SurfaceControl.lua gpl.txt libs/): !SurfaceControl: Addon to control what texture is returned from SurfaceLib so all addons that use it are forced to use the same texture.`
`01:53.13`	`syeren`	`I pay for shit I think is good ;p`
`01:53.18`	`syeren`	`If it's good, I'll buy a copy ;p`
`01:53.23`	`syeren`	`Like I do with all my music and so on ;)`
`01:53.40`	`syeren`	`Only things I refuse to pay for are Photoshop and Cakewalk, due to their insane market prices ;p`
`01:53.50`	`[dRaCo]`	`wanna check the bits on your hdd manually? ^^`
`01:53.58`	vid`	`nice rabbit`
`01:54.01`	vid`	`!`
`01:54.13`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r23439 10Cartographer_Quests/addon.lua:`
`01:54.13`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Quests:`
`01:54.13`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`01:54.23`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r23440 10!SurfaceControl/ (!SurfaceControl.toc SurfaceControl.lua gpl.txt libs/): !SurfaceControl: Set svn properties.`
`01:54.49`	`Amadeo`	`PerfectDisk is the best defrag, not O&O :)`
`01:55.00`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r23441 10Cartographer_Vendors/addon.lua:`
`01:55.00`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Vendors:`
`01:55.01`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`01:55.08`	ag`	`what's surfacecontrol for? just setting the texture addons uses globally?`
`01:55.11`	`kenlyric\|home`	`"best defrag?"`
`01:55.18`	`kenlyric\|home`	`it's defrag, not rocket surgery.`
`01:55.32`	`Amadeo`	`Yes, there is a best`
`01:55.36`	`Amadeo`	`You seem to be against everything lately`
`01:55.42`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23442 10ArkInventory/ArkInventory.toc: ArkInventory: fix PT optdep`
`01:55.52`	`Gagorian`	`Anyone responsible for ItemBonusesLib here?`
`01:56.03`	`Amadeo`	`defrag tools are NOT created equal, at all`
`01:56.06`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r23443 10!SurfaceControl/SurfaceControl.lua: !SurfaceControl: Remove some debug prints.`
`01:56.11`	`vhaarr`	ag`: yeah
`01:56.27`	ag`	`isn't there a better way to do it than do !`
`01:56.31`	ag`	`the ! is pretty buggy`
`01:56.35`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23444 10Bartender3/locales/Bartender3-deDE.lua:`
`01:56.35`	`CIA-17`	`Bartender3:`
`01:56.35`	`CIA-17`	`- Bartender3-deDE.lua: reverted translation of "Ctrl" key as this broke the paging functionality`
`01:56.40`	`vhaarr`	ag`: it's just there for fun
`01:56.51`	`CIA-17`	`03sayclub * r23445 10Links/Links.lua: Links - Added koKR Translation`
`01:57.00`	`vhaarr`	ag`: I added special code for agUF
`01:57.13`	`vhaarr`	`-- Any addons that need to be reset`
`01:57.14`	ag`	`my idea would be that you trigger the surfacelib event`
`01:57.15`	`vhaarr`	`if type(aUF) == "table" and type(aUF.CallUnitMethods) == "function" then`
`01:57.16`	`vhaarr`	`aUF:CallUnitMethods("BarTexture")`
`01:57.19`	`vhaarr`	`end`
`01:57.23`	`vhaarr`	`_Register?`
`01:57.40`	ag`	`actually all addons that uses surfacelib should register for that event`
`01:57.48`	`vhaarr`	`not really`
`01:57.58`	`vhaarr`	`You just list them in the AceOptions validate.`
`01:58.06`	`vhaarr`	`like validate = surface:List()`
`01:58.08`	ag`	`oCB does it`
`01:58.21`	ag`	`and haste wrote surfacelib :<`
`01:58.29`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23446 10Baggins/Baggins.toc: Baggins: fix PT optdep`
`01:58.35`	`vhaarr`	`I have no idea what you're saying.`
`01:58.48`	`[dRaCo]`	`ocb does weird stuff to some textures`
`01:58.59`	`vhaarr`	`If addons register for the _Registered event, it doesn't impact SurfaceControl at all.`
`01:59.21`	ag`	`event Surface_Registered`
`01:59.30`	`vhaarr`	`doesn't impact SurfaceControl`
`01:59.44`	ag`	`impact?`
`01:59.53`	`vhaarr`	`doesn't matter`
`02:00.09`	ag`	`use surfaceControl to change what the surface db returns`
`02:00.15`	ag`	`so all addons uses the same texture`
`02:00.24`	`vhaarr`	`and _Registered has nothing to do with what Fetch returns`
`02:00.30`	ag`	`I know`
`02:00.32`	`vhaarr`	ag`: Is there a problem here? I don't get it.
`02:00.36`	`vhaarr`	`What is the problem?`
`02:00.40`	ag`	`nothing really`
`02:00.43`	`vhaarr`	`right`
`02:00.47`	`vhaarr`	`So what are we discussing then? :P`
`02:00.48`	ag`	`just a workaround for the ! in the name`
`02:00.55`	`vhaarr`	`there's no workaround for it`
`02:01.00`	`kenlyric\|home`	`I don't know, but I'm against it.`
`02:01.04`	ag`	`there is`
`02:01.08`	`kenlyric\|home`	`apparently`
`02:01.11`	`vhaarr`	`no, there's not.`
`02:01.19`	ag`	`oh come on, there is!`
`02:01.33`	`vhaarr`	`the ! is just sugar`
`02:01.38`	`vhaarr`	`I could've committed it without it`
`02:01.40`	ag`	`sugar? :P`
`02:01.43`	`pastamancer`	`I'll give you some sugar!`
`02:01.48`	`vhaarr`	`feel free to remove it, ag`
`02:01.50`	`vhaarr`	`I don't care`
`02:02.00`	ag`	`well if it's just sugar`
`02:02.06`	ag`	`I don't care either`
`02:02.38`	`vhaarr`	`I'm not going to spend time testing if it matters for chronometer, antagonist, sorren, wtf, lol, kek and the other addons that use it.`
`02:02.51`	`vhaarr`	`I just added it because it might matter for some addons on windows machines, I don't care.`
`02:03.09`	`vhaarr`	`those addons should get exceptions in SurfaceControl.lua`
`02:03.13`	`vhaarr`	`like agUF`
`02:03.20`	ag`	`yeah`
`02:03.42`	ag`	`I was just thinking that there could be less hackish way to impliment it`
`02:03.50`	`vhaarr`	`than adding exceptions?`
`02:03.54`	ag`	`but no it doesn't matter much`
`02:04.09`	`vhaarr`	`even if there's another way to do it - and of course there is - it doesn't involve Surface_Registered`
`02:04.28`	ag`	`well, if all addons registered for some surface event`
`02:04.38`	`vhaarr`	`some event, yes, but not the _Registered event`
`02:04.42`	ag`	`you wouldn't have to do exceptions`
`02:04.46`	`vhaarr`	`which is the one you mentioned`
`02:04.48`	`Antiar1`	`Does anyone know if there is an addon that caches a person's gear and lets you pull it back up by name later?`
`02:05.18`	`Antiar1`	`If not, it needs to be written! :D`
`02:05.24`	`vhaarr`	`there's one`
`02:05.32`	`Antiar1`	`Ace? Know the name?`
`02:05.35`	vid`	`hmm`
`02:05.39`	vid`	`i bet you could modify superinspect`
`02:05.44`	vid`	`superinspect caches their info`
`02:06.09`	vid`	`so you can see their gear if they go out of iinspect range`
`02:06.11`	`Antiar1`	`I'm our rogue class leader, and it'd be nice to be able to call up a person's gear on a whim. Rogue gear doesn't change a whole lot.`
`02:06.19`	vid`	`im sure theres a way you can view it when they are not online too`
`02:06.27`	vid`	`like click on someone on the guild roster and it pulls up an inspect frame`
`02:06.27`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r23447 10Cartographer_Quests/ (Cartographer_Quests.toc addon.lua credits.txt): (log message trimmed)`
`02:06.27`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Quests`
`02:06.28`	`CIA-17`	`* Updated TOC`
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`02:06.51`	`[dRaCo]`	`shouldn't be that hard... just a lot of data to store`
`02:06.57`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r23448 10!SurfaceControl/SurfaceControl.lua: !SurfaceControl: UpdateAddons when the texture changes.`
`02:07.11`	`Antiar1`	`Not that much. Just item links, and you could compress 'em.`
`02:07.20`	`[dRaCo]`	`with enchants?`
`02:07.22`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r23449 10Cartographer_Vendors/ (. Cartographer_Vendors.toc addon.lua credits.txt): (log message trimmed)`
`02:07.22`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Vendors`
`02:07.22`	`CIA-17`	`* Updated TOC`
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`02:07.33`	`Antiar1`	`Yeah`
`02:07.41`	`[dRaCo]`	`k, that's cool then`
`02:07.50`	`[dRaCo]`	`go ahead, I'd like that mod ;)`
`02:08.03`	`vhaarr`	`I already said it exists.`
`02:08.09`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r23450 10Cartographer_Trainers/ (. Cartographer_Trainers.toc addon.lua credits.txt): (log message trimmed)`
`02:08.09`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Trainers`
`02:08.09`	`CIA-17`	`* Updated TOC`
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`02:08.20`	`[dRaCo]`	`with that offline viewing stuff`
`02:08.26`	`[dRaCo]`	`maybe I really should learn lua :/`
`02:09.12`	Funkeh`	`anyone know any addons that still use PT1?`
`02:09.18`	`vhaarr`	`lots`
`02:09.23`	`vhaarr`	`MrPlow`
`02:09.23`	Funkeh`	`meh nvm then`
`02:09.43`	`vhaarr`	`someone (tm) should convert them`
`02:09.51`	Funkeh`	`tm ftw`
`02:09.55`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`02:10.54`	ag`	`someone should clean up my code`
`02:11.12`	Funkeh`	`ask tm hes always willing to help`
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`02:13.39`	`pastamancer`	`I am sitting in Thelsamar, fearing the same Ram over and over again`
`02:13.42`	`pastamancer`	`...`
`02:13.56`	`vhaarr`	`bored? :P`
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`02:14.18`	`pastamancer`	`no, working on converting healcomm to a generic spell communication library`
`02:14.23`	`[dRaCo]`	`^^`
`02:16.04`	`DrZoot`	`is just got an error from my addon, <event>ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'Axon' tried to call the protected function 'SpellBookFrame:Hide()'., the weird bit is, I know for a fact that I dont do anything with the spellbook, is that just Ace doing something in the background?`
`02:19.06`	ag`	`lets say you have x addon that includes aceEvent`
`02:19.12`	ag`	`and y addon that uses aceEvent`
`02:19.30`	ag`	`if y addon does something it shouldn't, x addon could get the blame... I think`
`02:19.31`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r23451 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/RuleSet.lua: FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - oops added the event now :D`
`02:19.39`	ag`	`but I am not sure about that`
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`02:22.12`	`DrZoot`	`ahh, kk`
`02:23.11`	`Ominous`	`with parser is it best to register all events to one function or each type to different ones?`
`02:24.33`	`nymbia`	`different ones if you're doing different things with each event.`
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`02:30.09`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r23452 10Cartographer_Quests/ (Cartographer_Quests.toc addon.lua gpl.txt):`
`02:30.09`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Quests`
`02:30.09`	`CIA-17`	`* Updated TOC`
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`02:30.09`	`CIA-17`	`* Added gpl.txt`
`02:31.12`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r23453 10Cartographer_Trainers/Cartographer_Trainers.toc:`
`02:31.12`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Trainers`
`02:31.12`	`CIA-17`	`* Updated TOC`
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`02:31.28`	`ckknight`	`Kodewulf: removed Babble-2.2?`
`02:31.33`	`ckknight`	`was it there for no reason?`
`02:32.26`	`Kodewulf`	`it was listed as an OptionalDeps, but I wasn't using it anywhere in Cart_Trainers...`
`02:33.13`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r23454 10Cartographer_Vendors/Cartographer_Vendors.toc:`
`02:33.13`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Vendors`
`02:33.13`	`CIA-17`	`* Updated TOC`
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`02:33.13`	`CIA-17`	`* Added gpl.txt`
`02:33.21`	`Kodewulf`	`same as in Cart_Vendors... :)`
`02:33.34`	`[dRaCo]`	`and _Quests ;)`
`02:33.37`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: now I see why you had code from rosterlib`
`02:34.05`	`Kodewulf`	`[dRaCo] yep`
`02:34.05`	`Ominous`	`does anyone have a comprensive gatherer settings file or cartograper_herblism settings file they can send me/ pastey`
`02:35.08`	`Kodewulf`	`ckknight: would it be possible to add an option to Cart_Notes to NOT display note symbols in the minimap?`
`02:35.33`	`JoshBork1`	`i don't recall taking code from rosterlib, but i did borrow ideas :-)`
`02:35.43`	`ckknight`	`Kodewulf: I thought that option was already there...`
`02:35.58`	`pastamancer`	`roster-ish at least`
`02:36.03`	`JoshBork1`	`indeed`
`02:36.05`	`JoshBork1`	`:-)`
`02:36.34`	`nymbia`	`Ominous: there was one posted in the carto thread, i believe. i can pastey mine though, if you need.`
`02:36.56`	`Ominous`	`ill have a quick look :)`
`02:37.15`	`Kodewulf`	`ckknight: oops... my bad... i'll have a look thru the code... :)`
`02:38.42`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: what's the url to spellsynclib again?`
`02:38.59`	`JoshBork1`	`http://svn.joshborke.is-a-geek.com/trunk/SpellSyncLib`
`02:39.08`	`ckknight`	`Kodewulf: it's an option in the menu`
`02:40.23`	`Kodewulf`	`ckknight: thx... someone was asking for that in the forum...`
`02:40.27`	`nymbia`	`Ominous: http://ace.pastey.net/4531 -- no idea why it double-spaced it, but it should shrink back down after being loaded and saved by the game.`
`02:40.41`	`Ominous`	`thanks`
`02:43.09`	`Ominous`	`its taking a while to laod :P`
`02:45.20`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r23455 10Cartographer_Vendors/gpl.txt:`
`02:45.20`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Vendors`
`02:45.20`	`CIA-17`	`* Added gpl.txt`
`02:46.13`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r23456 10Cartographer_Trainers/gpl.txt:`
`02:46.13`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Trainers`
`02:46.13`	`CIA-17`	`* Added gpl.txt`
`02:47.16`	`Ominous`	`still hasent loaded :P`
`02:47.45`	`Ominous`	`why is everyone adding liscences to their addons at the moment>?`
`02:48.18`	`vhaarr`	`why not?`
`02:48.44`	`Ominous`	`but i dont really see the advantage`
`02:48.52`	`ilifin`	`by having a license on it you can't get the mod's contents stolen by someone who sells mods, i.e. RDX`
`02:49.05`	`vhaarr`	`you can`
`02:49.14`	`ilifin`	`depends on the license :x`
`02:49.16`	`vhaarr`	`it's just illegal`
`02:49.28`	`ilifin`	`right, you have a WAY TO STOP THEM then`
`02:49.36`	`vhaarr`	`in practice, no :)`
`02:49.47`	`vhaarr`	`in theory, yeah`
`02:49.54`	`vhaarr`	`but we already have that`
`02:50.06`	`vhaarr`	`since the addons are not covered by any license, they are default all rights reserved`
`02:50.44`	`Ominous`	`how do you get a liscence?`
`02:51.22`	`ilifin`	`you don't get one`
`02:51.23`	`ilifin`	`you apply one`
`02:51.52`	`kagaro`	`ck: is it possible to force a wrap at a point in tablet?`
`02:52.10`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: \n`
`02:52.22`	`kagaro`	`ck: thanks wanted to be sure before i added one in`
`02:52.27`	`Ominous`	`is it jsut a case of adding a liscence.txt file?`
`02:52.33`	`vhaarr`	`kagaro: don't wrap`
`02:52.35`	`ckknight`	`Ominous: basically.`
`02:52.40`	`ckknight`	`license.txt`
`02:52.42`	`vhaarr`	`kagaro: it looks bad`
`02:53.06`	`kagaro`	`i need an entry in a tab showing right column 1 item , left colume 3 items in a list`
`02:53.14`	`vhaarr`	`Ominous: And add some sort of stub/reference to each source file.`
`02:53.27`	`vhaarr`	`kagaro: subcategories`
`02:54.00`	`kagaro`	`hmm guess i could go that route`
`02:54.04`	`vhaarr`	`or just comma-separate them`
`02:54.09`	`vhaarr`	`item1, item2, item3`
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`02:54.17`	`kagaro`	`already using subcats for list folding`
`02:54.45`	`Ominous`	`what should he stub consist of?`
`02:55.11`	`vhaarr`	`Depends on the license.`
`02:55.16`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html`
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`03:05.05`	`Ominous`	`holy crap nymbia: 6400 lines of that file :D`
`03:05.12`	`nymbia`	`Ominous: lol yeah`
`03:05.15`	`Ominous`	`excluding the space`
`03:05.39`	`nymbia`	`haha`
`03:05.45`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: I'm almost at 1k lines in this library`
`03:06.09`	`pastamancer`	`ok, I need a group on US/Thrall/Alliance`
`03:06.40`	`pastamancer`	`or anywhere really`
`03:06.56`	`ckknight`	`I'm on US/TBC/alliance`
`03:06.58`	`[dRaCo]`	`EU/Die Nachtwache/Horde ;�`
`03:07.14`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: I'll hop on beta then`
`03:08.33`	`CIA-17`	`03gagorian * r23457 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib: -Fixed issue where AD trinkets weren't adding +AP/dmg against undead.`
`03:09.04`	`Gagorian`	`ZealotOnAStick: There!`
`03:09.15`	`JoshBork1`	`lol`
`03:09.47`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: name's Schmoopsie`
`03:09.57`	`JoshBork1`	`pastamancer: not bad :-D`
`03:10.06`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r23458 10PT2Browser/PT2Browser.lua: PT2Browser: Now plays nice with multisets of multisets (of multisets.. and so on)`
`03:10.47`	`ckknight`	ag`: I keep getting errors when someone joins while I'm in combat
`03:10.56`	`ckknight`	`protected function errors`
`03:13.23`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23459 10Cartographer_Noteshare/ (Cartographer_Noteshare.toc LICENSE.txt): Cartographer_Noteshare: add license`
`03:13.45`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23460 10Cartographer_Treasure/ (Cartographer_Treasure.toc LICENSE.txt): Cartographer_Treasure: add license`
`03:14.08`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23461 10Cartographer_Stats/ (Cartographer_Stats.toc LICENSE.txt): Cartographer_Stats: add license`
`03:14.15`	vid`	`the gpl license just added 500mb to the ace libs :P`
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`03:14.37`	`Ominous`	`is there a way to make 1 file always update when you commit`
`03:14.43`	`ckknight`	vid`: ?
`03:15.43`	vid`	`lol nothing`
`03:15.48`	vid`	`just joking around :)`
`03:17.33`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin 07v2.0 * r23462 10DKPmon/ (10 files in 6 dirs): DKPmon: v2.0. - Changed player points lookup to be DKP system specific, in case someone wants to code something funky like RelationalDKP. (drycode)`
`03:17.34`	`CIA-17`	`03gagorian * r23463 10DrDamage/ (DrDamage.lua DrDamage.toc ReadMe.txt):`
`03:17.34`	`CIA-17`	`DrDamage:`
`03:17.34`	`CIA-17`	`-Added optional support for ItemBonusLib (scans only +dmg against undead for now). See more in ReadMe.txt`
`03:24.36`	`nymbia`	`~seen sylvanaar`
`03:24.40`	`purl`	`sylvanaar <n=sylvanaa@205-196-182-22.static.cmts1.phonoscope.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 20h 7m 55s ago, saying: 'im off to bed, cheers everyone good night'.`
`03:25.20`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: bah, caching sucks, but it's for the best`
`03:26.03`	`Ominous`	`is there a way to make 1 file always update when you commit?`
`03:27.36`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r23464 10PT2Browser/PT2Browser.lua: PT2Browser: collectgarbage() after using the Explode All option. Still, don't use it unless you need to.`
`03:28.55`	`kagaro`	`well gota the base of a fishing module for cart done`
`03:30.42`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: got a good name for the library? If not, it's gonna be CastComm`
`03:30.54`	`Gagorian`	`~seen Jerry`
`03:30.57`	`purl`	`jerry <n=jerry@124.90.34.68> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 178d 1h 47m 38s ago, saying: 'what?'.`
`03:30.57`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Rabbit * r23465 10FuBar_ReagentFu/ReagentFu.lua: FuBar_ReagentFu: Honor the show/hide toggle.`
`03:37.11`	`CIA-17`	`03gagorian * r23466 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib: -Small fix to last commit.`
`03:39.42`	`DrZoot`	`is there a way in lua to pass a reference to a variable rather than a copy?`
`03:39.48`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Rabbit * r23467 10FuBar_ReagentFu/ReagentFu.lua: FuBar_ReagentFu: Remove some unused code.`
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`03:41.04`	`pastamancer`	`DrZoot: all tables are reference, all non-tables are by value`
`03:41.11`	`pastamancer`	`IIRC`
`03:41.31`	`DrZoot`	`pastamancer, yeah thats what i thought, just didnt know if there was a way to pass a value by reference`
`03:41.59`	`pastamancer`	`well, getfenv(0) returns a table with the global environment...`
`03:42.15`	`pastamancer`	`but you don't want to be calling getfenv too often`
`03:42.36`	`DrZoot`	`no, sounds like it would be expensive`
`03:42.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`you can use function closures to sorta hack that up... depending on what you want to do`
`03:43.14`	`ckknight`	`DrZoot: you can't pass any value as a reference like you can in C/C++`
`03:43.23`	`pastamancer`	`I don't know if they gave us getupvalue(), but I'm sure it's equally expensive`
`03:43.41`	`DrZoot`	`meh, ill just work out another way to do it`
`03:43.50`	`pastamancer`	`in most cases, multiple return values obviate the need to pass variables by reference`
`03:44.28`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: getupvalue isn't available`
`03:44.47`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: they don't let us have any fun :(`
`03:46.31`	`CIA-17`	`03drzoot * r23468 10/branches/Axon/ (Axon.lua Axon.toc AxonBar.lua Textures/Src/Thumbs.db):`
`03:46.31`	`CIA-17`	`Axon:`
`03:46.31`	`CIA-17`	`- Split paint function for bars into smaller segments`
`03:46.31`	`CIA-17`	`- Color setting in paint is broken`
`03:47.10`	`pastamancer`	`ok, anyone have name suggestions for an embedded library that sends spell cast information (most imporantly the target name) via SendAddonMessage?`
`03:47.30`	`vhaarr`	`SpellItOut`
`03:48.16`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: haha, if it were an ace library, I'd probably go with that. I'd actually like people to be able to guess what it does from the name.`
`03:48.34`	`vhaarr`	`hehe`
`03:48.43`	`[dRaCo]`	`SpellTeller`
`03:48.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`CastComm`
`03:49.04`	`pastamancer`	`KarlThePagan: I'm glad I'm not the only one that likes that name`
`03:49.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`well.. it uses Comm`
`03:49.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`;)`
`03:49.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh that is your orig name lol`
`03:49.39`	`pastamancer`	`yeah`
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`03:50.32`	`Ominous`	`have us got patch 2.03`
`03:50.34`	`KarlThePagan`	`having a cutesy addon name vs an obvious one is difficult`
`03:50.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`Ominous, on live?`
`03:50.57`	`Ominous`	`yea`
`03:51.12`	`pastamancer`	`indeed, TattleSpell is almost useful, but has implications that I'd rather avoid`
`03:51.52`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: some Ace libs make sense`
`03:51.56`	`pastamancer`	`everyone knows what ChatThrottleLib does`
`03:52.19`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`SpellOrate`
`03:52.21`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: I know, traditionally though, Ace libs/addons have prefered fun/whimsical names`
`03:52.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`Ominous, negative 2.0.1 6180`
`03:52.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`or even SpellOrator`
`03:52.33`	`Ominous`	`ok`
`03:52.34`	`ckknight`	`that's good`
`03:53.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`I don't suppose GroupCast is taken already? sounds like a cosmos name`
`03:53.52`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`groupcast.com . . .`
`03:53.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`I think I need to use the potion crafting sound for Grouper sounds... har har... it's a FISH`
`03:54.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`nothing addon-like on the first page of google on it`
`03:54.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`i search curse for addon name checking ;)`
`03:55.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`for example - CtrlGroupCast: Allows you to cast spells on group members using the Ctrl key and a designated target.`
`03:55.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`mreh`
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`04:05.39`	`Ominous`	`is 20003 the latest patch`
`04:05.57`	`ckknight`	`Cide's a dick`
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`04:08.25`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`20003 is current BC beta`
`04:09.20`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r23469 10PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-2.0.lua: PeriodicTable-2.0: Add Mats superset`
`04:10.56`	`Ominous`	`20003 when i put that in toc is says out of date on main client`
`04:11.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yep. And 20000 shows out of date on beta.`
`04:12.08`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r23470 10PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-2.0.lua: PeriodicTable-2.0: Fix syntax error.`
`04:12.12`	`nymbia`	`yup. i was gonna switch my addons over, then noticed that.. guess it'll wait til patch day`
`04:12.29`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yeah, same here.`
`04:12.43`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm sorta betting on patch ending up being 20300 . . .`
`04:12.48`	`nymbia`	`vhaarr: oops, teach me to dry-code. thanks.`
`04:12.52`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`04:17.03`	`pastamancer`	`ZealotOnAStick: 20003`
`04:17.28`	Funkeh`	`i think he meant when it hits live`
`04:17.36`	`pastamancer`	`hmm`
`04:17.43`	`pastamancer`	`that's the interface version on beta`
`04:18.02`	`pastamancer`	`I don't see why they'd go from 2.0.3 to 2.3.0 just because they're patching live`
`04:18.03`	Funkeh`	`20300 makes more sense`
`04:18.18`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`that is what I meant. If it ends up being 20003 it sort of throws off their recent methods, though it's changed at least twice in my memory.`
`04:18.19`	Funkeh`	`ha true`
`04:18.34`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`No, 2.3.0 would be 23000`
`04:18.36`	Funkeh`	`i gorget its 2.0.3 not 2.3`
`04:18.44`	`pastamancer`	`ZealotOnAStick: that would be 2.30.0`
`04:18.44`	Funkeh`	`forget*`
`04:19.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`well, 1.11 and 1.12 are 11100 and 11200 . . .`
`04:19.44`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Whatever.`
`04:20.20`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I think they get drunk and throw darts every few months for a toc versioning method.`
`04:20.32`	`Antiar1`	`Is there a mod compatible with Bartender3 that shows the amount of Flash Powder on the Vanish button?`
`04:20.50`	`KarlThePagan`	`Learn2Count`
`04:21.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`i think... works for sacred candles`
`04:21.35`	`[dRaCo]`	`shame shamans dont need anything like that`
`04:21.38`	`Fisker-`	`anyone know what's the matter with the svn?`
`04:21.43`	`[dRaCo]`	`i like the idea of that`
`04:22.01`	`[dRaCo]`	`the old server-out-of-date story, fisker`
`04:22.30`	`Fisker-`	`ok :o`
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`04:26.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`i need to learn what I'm doing wrong with ace options table and pass=true`
`04:26.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4533`
`04:27.37`	`a-stray-cat`	`hm, experienceFu seems to get the session exp wrong on first load ;o`
`04:27.57`	ag`	`ckknight: Cide's argument that "why change something that works already for a lot of users" sucks`
`04:28.23`	ag`	`because the change transition to the blizzard addon comm channel broke backwards compatability`
`04:28.54`	ag`	`and I am pretty sure he was approached back then by the oRA guys, right`
`04:28.58`	`ckknight`	`anyone have any statistics about CT_MapMod I could use?`
`04:28.59`	ag`	`where he didn't care`
`04:31.26`	`haste`	ag`: oh he cared, only in the wrong direction
`04:31.37`	`haste`	`he went fuck oRA, and started to plan breakage in CTRA2`
`04:31.56`	`nymbia`	`what does CT_MapMod -do- anyway?`
`04:32.27`	`JoshBork1`	`provides a map`
`04:32.32`	`ckknight`	`nymbia: looks like notes and coordinates`
`04:32.42`	`ckknight`	`honestly, looking through his code, I can see some ways to really make it more efficient`
`04:32.57`	`ckknight`	`but frankly, cause I'm a dick, I don't plan to tell him`
`04:32.58`	`Fisker-`	`how he's planning to "break" the compatibillity is beyond me :o`
`04:33.54`	`nymbia`	`even implying that something could be improved in one of Cide's addons provokes an attack response. he's not worth the keystrokes.`
`04:35.22`	`Fisker-`	`Would've almost been smarter just to ban him when he came in whining about mailmod`
`04:35.24`	`ckknight`	`has he no respect?`
`04:37.03`	`ckknight`	`also, I was frankly referring to AlphaMap and MetaMap, not CT_MapMod`
`04:38.16`	`ckknight`	`well, looks like it's time to install CT_MapMod, see how it works and tap its efficiency.`
`04:38.25`	`Prophyy`	`what mod is it when i talk to trainer i can't UNSPEC...cuz it automatically goes to skills....`
`04:38.30`	`ckknight`	`or if it isn't efficient, stay glum.`
`04:39.06`	ag`	`I dunno man, show him proof to shut him up? :P`
`04:39.08`	`kergoth`	`Prophyy, probably automaton's gossip module if you have that. hold shift down while you're talking to them, itll prevent it from skipping`
`04:40.43`	`Fisker-`	ag` proof or not it doesn't matter for a zealot
`04:40.52`	`Fisker-`	`cough firefox zealots`
`04:41.13`	ag`	`Go to bed Fisker-`
`04:41.15`	ag`	`:P`
`04:41.18`	`Fisker-`	`i can't sleep`
`04:41.24`	`Fisker-`	`well not until i pass out later anyways`
`04:41.28`	ag`	`:S`
`04:41.37`	ag`	`I'm pretty fucked too`
`04:42.00`	`ckknight`	`btw: I have been thinking about a way to make the map notes more efficient.`
`04:42.02`	`ckknight`	`so you all know.`
`04:43.02`	`KarlThePagan`	`removing precision and packing x,y into one number?`
`04:43.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`or reducing maybe`
`04:43.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`i should check it out... freakin flames lol`
`04:43.41`	`ckknight`	`actually, no`
`04:43.46`	`nymbia`	`ckknight: dont let cide's bullshit get to you. it's easy to pick away at one little aspect of the competition, when your version does ONLY that, and even that with fewer features.`
`04:43.49`	`ckknight`	`x,y is already packed`
`04:43.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea i need to look at the code`
`04:44.01`	`ckknight`	`nymbia: actually I was thinking about this before, when talking with norganna`
`04:44.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, if that's so then I don't know wtf he thinks his implementation is more efficient... he doesn't pack his coords`
`04:44.31`	`Prophyy`	`thanks kergoth`
`04:44.48`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: well, my way uses a hash instead of a list`
`04:44.52`	`ckknight`	`which takes up more space`
`04:44.59`	`ckknight`	`I need to see how he does it, though`
`04:45.07`	`CIA-17`	`03arjuna * r23471 10simpleMinimap/ (6 files in 3 dirs):`
`04:45.07`	`CIA-17`	`simpleMinimap:`
`04:45.07`	`CIA-17`	`- consolidated minimap mask textures`
`04:45.07`	`CIA-17`	`- coords frame can hide in instances (untested)`
`04:45.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`he just iterates thu the list of notes in a zone when he draws them`
`04:46.02`	`ckknight`	`mine does the same, actually`
`04:46.16`	`ckknight`	`getting an individual note is easier for me now`
`04:46.19`	`CIA-17`	`03arjuna * r23472 10simpleMinimap/skins/smmSquareMask.blp:`
`04:46.19`	`CIA-17`	`simpleMinimap:`
`04:46.19`	`CIA-17`	`- new common square mask texture`
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`04:48.10`	`ckknight`	`I don't see how {`
`04:48.11`	`ckknight`	`["y"] = 0.7548390626907349,`
`04:48.11`	`ckknight`	`["x"] = 0.4544963836669922,`
`04:48.11`	`ckknight`	`["name"] = "New note",`
`04:48.12`	`ckknight`	`["descript"] = "asdf",`
`04:48.12`	`ckknight`	`["icon"] = 1,`
`04:48.13`	`ckknight`	`["set"] = 1,`
`04:48.15`	`ckknight`	`} is cheaper than [893756] = { ["icon"] = "Skull", ["title"] = "asdf" }`
`04:48.17`	`ckknight`	`sorry for spam.`
`04:48.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`zomg he uses a number for the icon!`
`04:48.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`:P`
`04:48.48`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: yea, which is unnecessary, since numbers and strings take up the same amount of space`
`04:49.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`there were no raid target symbols back then, just btw`
`04:49.20`	`nymbia`	`looks more expensive to me...`
`04:49.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`well you add "Skull" to the string table so if it's not there`
`04:49.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`but it is there`
`04:49.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`since you have the key to look up the icon`
`04:49.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`learn2stringtable`
`04:49.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`04:49.56`	`ckknight`	`also, Cide uses a lot of globals`
`04:50.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`he doesn't use a framework, either`
`04:51.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`one time I wrote something that did attendance data to ct raid tracker (or whatever the raid history mod is)`
`04:51.36`	`ckknight`	`Gnarfoz: yes he does`
`04:51.41`	`ckknight`	`Gnarfoz: CT_Library`
`04:52.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`i eventually stopped because my saved variables were too big`
`04:53.08`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: still around?`
`04:53.19`	`JoshBork1`	`yes`
`04:53.24`	`JoshBork1`	`it's taking forever to get tokens`
`04:53.34`	`JoshBork1`	`i just need 3 WSG tokens :-(`
`04:53.39`	`pastamancer`	`lose faster!`
`04:53.47`	`JoshBork1`	`THEY JUST WON'T!`
`04:53.50`	`pastamancer`	`I'm about to commit`
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`04:53.56`	`JoshBork1`	`sorry, new keyboard is stupid easy to enable capslock`
`04:54.05`	`JoshBork1`	`which is weird because it takes 2 keys to enable it`
`04:54.26`	`[dRaCo]`	`2 keys to enable to caps?`
`04:54.32`	`JoshBork1`	`yea`
`04:54.55`	Funkeh`	`nn all`
`04:55.02`	`JoshBork1`	nn Funkeh`
`04:57.04`	`ckknight`	`doing a test where I make 5 user-created notes in CT_MapMod and 5 user-created notes in Cartographer-Notes and see whose is more efficient. They will all have differing titles but the same icon.`
`04:59.27`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r23473 10MrPlow/ (Libs/ Localization_enUS.lua MrPlow.lua MrPlow.toc):`
`04:59.27`	`CIA-17`	`MrPlow:`
`04:59.28`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:59.28`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:59.28`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:59.28`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:59.43`	`vhaarr`	`<3 ?`
`04:59.46`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`05:01.23`	`ckknight`	`Cide had previously stated that using english names for maps is a retarded thing to do, yet when looking in the saved variables, that seems to be the case for CT_MapMod`
`05:01.27`	`ckknight`	`oh well`
`05:01.46`	`vhaarr`	`What names did he want to use, then?`
`05:01.55`	`vhaarr`	`The localized names?`
`05:02.15`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r23474 10Bartender3/locales/Bartender3-koKR.lua:`
`05:02.15`	`CIA-17`	`Bartender3:`
`05:02.15`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`05:04.15`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: http://grid.13th-floor.org/svn/trunk/CastCommLib/CastCommLib.lua`
`05:04.20`	`Fisker-`	`btw you made the vendor module for cartographer right vhaarr?`
`05:04.25`	`vhaarr`	`no`
`05:04.33`	`Fisker-`	`:o`
`05:04.36`	`JoshBork1`	`wall of text crits me :-P`
`05:04.53`	`pastamancer`	`err, I need to update the documentation`
`05:05.19`	`pastamancer`	`check out the roster section ;)`
`05:05.39`	`JoshBork1`	`rofl`
`05:05.43`	`JoshBork1`	`i was afk for half th ebattle`
`05:05.51`	`JoshBork1`	`and still had the second most KBs`
`05:10.47`	`ckknight`	`lol, my way's more efficient than Cide's.`
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`05:11.39`	`nymbia`	`yeah..`
`05:12.13`	`ckknight`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4537`
`05:12.56`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r23475 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (6 files in 3 dirs): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - Added Shadowstep, Find Weakness definatly works tested now.`
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`05:16.47`	`Eternally777`	`Is that because a hash-lookup is less efficient than a slightly larger table?`
`05:17.02`	`Eternally777`	`Forgive me if that's not the proper terminology.`
`05:17.03`	`ckknight`	`Eternally777: note how mine is more efficient.`
`05:17.13`	`Eternally777`	`That's what I'm asking`
`05:17.16`	`ckknight`	`lower number is better`
`05:17.23`	`Eternally777`	`To understand _why_ yours is more efficient.`
`05:17.27`	`Eternally777`	`Specifically.`
`05:17.30`	`ckknight`	`hashes are less efficient than lists`
`05:17.38`	`ckknight`	`but mine has less data in the actual tables`
`05:18.30`	`Eternally777`	`Oic, I mixed it up.`
`05:19.48`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: ping`
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`05:20.54`	`ckknight`	`woot, Cide has conceded!`
`05:20.54`	`ckknight`	`I claim victory on this day!`
`05:21.45`	`Codayus`	`heh`
`05:22.13`	`todd`	`I'm redoing my UI, and all I have right now are xart (without externals) and ace2 in my interfaces dir, but I'm getting an error`
`05:22.16`	`todd`	`XArt = AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new("AceEvent-2.0", "AceDB-2.0", "AceConsole-2.0")`
`05:22.21`	`todd`	`that AceLibrary is a nil value`
`05:23.12`	`ckknight`	`todd: does XArt have Ace2 as an optionaldep?`
`05:23.32`	`todd`	`no`
`05:23.38`	`todd`	`i don't see any optionaldeps in the .toc`
`05:24.25`	`Fisker-`	`best farmteam ever`
`05:25.19`	`Fisker-`	`So i'm like taking the flag with 3 defenders`
`05:25.24`	`Fisker-`	`The druid discovers me`
`05:25.36`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`It should. is xart current on the svn?`
`05:25.38`	`Fisker-`	`He heals himself, gives me faerie fire and then starts to root me`
`05:25.47`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r23476 10MrPlow/MrPlow.lua: MrPlow: Mostly syntax cleanup.`
`05:25.49`	`Fisker-`	`"o shi he capped, how did he do that?"`
`05:25.50`	`Fisker-`	`:D`
`05:26.08`	`todd`	`adding it as one fixed it though`
`05:26.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yeah.`
`05:26.16`	`Dekuna`	`hmm, BulkMail is the only mailmod still on the SVN`
`05:26.26`	`Kemayo`	`Dekuna: ExpressMail?`
`05:26.29`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Bug Moonsorrow (I think that's the author) to fix that.`
`05:26.43`	`Dekuna`	`Kemayo: not there.`
`05:26.48`	`Fisker-`	`So vhaarr any advantages in using PT2 over PT?`
`05:27.00`	`vhaarr`	`Fisker-: You'd have to ask nymbia.`
`05:27.46`	`Fisker-`	`why is expressmail not on the svn anymore? :o`
`05:27.53`	`Fisker-`	`more drama?`
`05:27.57`	`Eternally777`	`You guys really don't like Cide too much, do you? lol`
`05:28.18`	`ckknight`	`he's a fucking douchebag.`
`05:28.26`	`kergoth`	`wow, the firefox Stylish extension kicks a ton of ass`
`05:28.27`	`ckknight`	`but don't take my word for it`
`05:28.29`	`Dekuna`	`i guess that's a no`
`05:28.30`	`ckknight`	`just read what he says.`
`05:28.31`	`Dekuna`	`haha`
`05:28.39`	`Fisker-`	`I think it's more the other way`
`05:29.26`	`Kemayo`	`Ah, yes, Tekkub moved addons to http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/`
`05:29.28`	`Fisker-`	`A couple of weeks ago i didn't mind him actually`
`05:29.36`	`Fisker-`	`Then he went liek "omg internet police"`
`05:29.40`	`JoshBork1`	`pastamancer: btw, your roster code looks familiar ;-)`
`05:29.44`	`Kemayo`	`No explanation, particularly.`
`05:29.53`	`Codayus`	`Fisker-: I know what you mean. :-)`
`05:30.10`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: it's from the yet-to-be-implemented Roster-2.2`
`05:30.17`	`Codayus`	`OTOH, he's no AnduinLothar, so there is that...`
`05:32.59`	`JoshBork1`	`kinda hard to mess it up ;-)`
`05:34.35`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: it's hard to do it efficiently`
`05:35.34`	`JoshBork1`	`i agree`
`05:36.03`	`vhaarr`	`Kaelten: Seems the svn is out of sync.`
`05:36.07`	`pastamancer`	`I think what I have there is as good as it gets`
`05:37.09`	`JoshBork1`	`YES!`
`05:37.10`	`pastamancer`	`oh, documentation is updated and I added :GetCastingInfo(name)`
`05:37.10`	`Gngsk`	`vhaarr, no such revision?`
`05:37.20`	`vhaarr`	`Gngsk: indeed`
`05:37.26`	`Gngsk`	`:\`
`05:38.00`	`JoshBork1`	`got all my WSG tokens`
`05:38.15`	`Gngsk`	`legs and bracers?`
`05:38.31`	`JoshBork1`	`naw, it's for a lvl 39 lock`
`05:38.39`	`JoshBork1`	`30 tokens for a spell hit trinket`
`05:38.54`	`JoshBork1`	`i HATE WSG`
`05:39.03`	`JoshBork1`	`but i ran it for this trinkte. i will kill you!`
`05:39.03`	`Gngsk`	`why?`
`05:39.07`	`Fisker-`	`you hate it even more now that you have to do it again`
`05:39.30`	`JoshBork1`	`i just never had much fun with it`
`05:39.35`	`JoshBork1`	`it's not bad as a lock`
`05:39.56`	`*** join/#wowace steino (n=stein-iv@ti531210a080-0867.bb.online.no)`
`05:40.23`	`JoshBork1`	`only took 3 hours for 21 tokens`
`05:40.25`	`ckknight`	`well, I claim victory`
`05:40.33`	`ckknight`	`but I'm gonna make Cart more efficient out of spite.`
`05:40.49`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBork1: now go play with CastCommLib`
`05:40.56`	`Fisker-`	`Spite - Moving the addon industry to the next generation.`
`05:40.58`	`JoshBork1`	`bah! bed for me! i'll review your code tomorrow`
`05:41.06`	`pastamancer`	`nooooooo!`
`05:41.34`	`JoshBork1`	`i'm sure it worksg reat`
`05:42.21`	`JoshBork1`	`i'm sleepy`
`05:42.21`	`pastamancer`	`what's there works, but I don't know if I've left out any functionality that would be useful`
`05:42.45`	`pastamancer`	`goodnight then`
`05:42.52`	`pastamancer`	`now sure how much I'll be around tomorrow`
`05:43.35`	`Fisker-`	`Goodnight, sweet prince.`
`05:43.44`	`Fisker-`	`???? - 2007`
`05:43.54`	`JoshBork1`	`np pasta, i'll put my thoughts on wowi`
`05:44.40`	`Kemayo`	`Is there a comparison of Squeenix and SimpleMiniMap out there somewhere?`
`05:46.50`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBorke: oh, I'd better go tell wowi about the new lib then`
`05:49.53`	ag`	`nn`
`05:51.35`	`Fisker-`	`hahahahha`
`05:51.36`	`Fisker-`	`fucking win`
`05:51.47`	`Fisker-`	`Vanguard beta got limited to US/Canadian people only`
`05:51.56`	`Fisker-`	`But because i was a fast nigga i still get a key`
`05:51.57`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`05:53.31`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`05:56.46`	`nymbia`	`weird shit.. i just got an email from blizzard saying i should reactivate my account for burning crusade. my account has been active nonstop since release day.`
`05:57.31`	`haste`	`nymbia: sure it was from blizz and not some kind of scam :) ?`
`05:57.42`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`05:57.44`	`*** join/#wowace grennon (n=jeramy@user-0cdv8vd.cable.mindspring.com)`
`05:57.52`	`Fisker-`	`heh`
`05:58.26`	`nymbia`	`haste: the only links on the think are to worldofwarcraft.com and blizzard.com, so i think it's on the level.`
`05:58.29`	`Fisker-`	`Obviously dusins of people have just signed up in nymbia's email`
`05:58.35`	`nymbia`	`for sure.`
`05:59.01`	`Fisker-`	`Reminds me of a customer service topic once running`
`05:59.10`	`Fisker-`	`Turns out the guy was paying like 20 accounts`
`05:59.15`	`Fisker-`	`And he didn't know lol`
`05:59.20`	`syeren`	`AV is so alliance biased it's untrue ;p`
`05:59.21`	`nymbia`	`haha`
`05:59.27`	`syeren`	`Fisker as in ex-SK ;p?`
`05:59.32`	`Fisker-`	`not even close`
`06:00.01`	`syeren`	`I know he plays, just didn't know if it was you ;)`
`06:00.07`	`syeren`	`I'm friends with Vilden :p`
`06:01.22`	`Fisker-`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30787 <-blizzard stupid again?`
`06:01.42`	`Fisker-`	`Good thing they put in normalization`
`06:02.11`	`syeren`	`PerfectRaid has one huge flaw.`
`06:02.25`	`syeren`	`Everytime someone leaves or joins your 39/40 man raid, it pauses ---`
`06:03.02`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin 07v2.0 * r23477 10DKPmon/DKPmon/DKPSystems/pac.lua: DKPmon: v2.0. -- Fix an old copy and paste error.`
`06:05.24`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin 07v2.0 * r23478 10DKPmon/DKPmon/ (5 files in 3 dirs): DKPmon: v2.0. Changed a pair of filenames.`
`06:06.45`	`nymbia`	`syeren: for how long?`
`06:07.59`	`syeren`	`About a second or two.`
`06:08.06`	`syeren`	`Gets really fucking annoying.`
`06:08.13`	`syeren`	`It's been reported quite a lot too on the thread.`
`06:16.10`	`CIA-17`	`03grennon * r23479 10/branches/Postal/ (BagLib/BagLib-1.0.lua PostalLib/PostalLib-1.0.lua): Postal: Fixes for BagLib/PostalLib`
`06:17.24`	`*** part/#wowace Eternally777 (n=Eternall@pool-71-254-223-40.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net)`
`06:19.45`	`ckknight`	`grennon: libraries are of the form Name-1.0, not NameLib-1.0`
`06:19.46`	`ckknight`	`so you know.`
`06:23.56`	`CIA-17`	`03kemayo * r23480 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: Throw in some table caching to stop every QUEST_LOG_UPDATE creating masses of garbage. (Thoroughly nilled out garbage, admittedly, but garbage nonetheless.)`
`06:24.25`	`grennon`	`these are private libraries`
`06:24.41`	`grennon`	`dont sweat it`
`06:24.52`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin 07v2.0 * r23481 10DKPmon/DKPmon/PointsDB/pointsdb.lua: DKPmon: v2.0 -- Fix to function that wipes out the points database.`
`06:25.03`	`ckknight`	`grennon: but I can already feel the sweat forming...`
`06:25.10`	`ckknight`	`grennon: why make em private, btw?`
`06:25.14`	`grennon`	`hot towel?`
`06:25.28`	`grennon`	`right now im just playing around with code chunks really`
`06:25.44`	`grennon`	`hence lots of splitting and renaming`
`06:26.22`	`grennon`	`baglib is just a quick hack to seperate slot handlers from postallib`
`06:26.27`	`Fisker-`	`pretty much he should be harrassed for not having a functioning version yet`
`06:26.50`	`grennon`	`baglib is a pretty poor name for it`
`06:28.02`	`grennon`	`kind wish the blizz api provided a function as simple as "do i have a free inv slot"`
`06:28.12`	`grennon`	`"how many free slots do i have?"`
`06:28.54`	`grennon`	`it seems lots of mods check these things`
`06:30.47`	`Antiar1`	`Agreed.`
`06:30.58`	`Antiar1`	`Or, an Ace lib to do it!`
`06:31.03`	`Antiar1`	`Fewer event pasing.`
`06:31.07`	`Fisker-`	`lol`
`06:31.09`	`grennon`	`GetItemCount() at least means they are thinking about it`
`06:31.18`	`Fisker-`	`There's this n00b called Nymbia on the us forums posting about some email he got`
`06:31.20`	`Fisker-`	`o wait`
`06:31.21`	`grennon`	`or that their testers kept complaing about raitem checks`
`06:31.48`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`06:32.15`	`nymbia`	`Fisker-: ITS WEIRD SHIT! my girlfriend didnt get it. and her account was inactive a week ago..`
`06:32.35`	`haste`	`lool`
`06:32.52`	`Fisker-`	`Perhaps its a notification to all active accounts to make all inactive accounts aware of it? :P`
`06:32.57`	`Fisker-`	`Now that could be funny`
`06:33.00`	`nymbia`	`rofl`
`06:33.11`	`Fisker-`	`Thinking that there would be some law against sending emails out to previous customers`
`06:33.18`	`Fisker-`	`so blizzard had to send to the current customers`
`06:33.19`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`06:34.45`	`Fisker-`	`I wish i got emails from blizzard though :(`
`06:34.55`	`nymbia`	`haHA!`
`06:34.58`	`nymbia`	`..or something`
`06:36.18`	`Fisker-`	`I want my posting rights back :(`
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`06:37.13`	`pastamancer`	`in the spirit of Ace, I suggest that Baglib be renamed CarpetBagger`
`06:37.32`	`pastamancer`	`:p`
`06:37.34`	`DrZoot`	`ive never been able to post on the wow general forums`
`06:37.47`	`DrZoot`	`ive never really thought of it as a problem though`
`06:37.52`	`ckknight`	`lol, pastamancer`
`06:38.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`could I bother someone for some AceOptionsTable help?`
`06:38.07`	`ckknight`	`or TeaBag-2.0`
`06:38.13`	`grennon`	`i thought about calling it SackLib but i kept snickering`
`06:38.15`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: sure, state your question`
`06:38.19`	`grennon`	`huhuh, sack`
`06:38.25`	`pastamancer`	`oh, TeaBat-2.0, even better than the TeaBag you're used to getting!`
`06:38.32`	`pastamancer`	`s/TeaBat/TeaBag/`
`06:38.42`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok first the error - http://ace.pastey.net/4533`
`06:38.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`second my basic structure`
`06:38.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`SackLib isn't bad, actually.`
`06:38.59`	`grennon`	`its more of a SlotLib`
`06:39.11`	`Fisker-`	`Slut-2.0 then`
`06:39.13`	`pastamancer`	`KarlThePagan: where's the code for that error`
`06:39.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`oh no. too easy.`
`06:39.15`	`*** join/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@dsl027-181-250.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net)`
`06:39.17`	`Fisker-`	`or perhaps sluts`
`06:39.20`	`grennon`	`but really its just 4 functions that arent mail related that i needed to split out of postallib`
`06:39.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`coming to it`
`06:39.25`	`KaeltenAway`	`night guys`
`06:39.30`	`grennon`	`TempLib`
`06:39.32`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`MailSlot?`
`06:39.33`	`grennon`	`heh`
`06:39.45`	`grennon`	`PickerLib`
`06:39.50`	`pastamancer`	`oh baby, put your TeaBag in my MailSlot`
`06:40.02`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`MaleSlut?`
`06:40.08`	`grennon`	`i dont know it might get more inv related functions when i get to work on bulk mailing`
`06:40.38`	`pastamancer`	`HardcoreBaggery`
`06:41.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`here's the code to my error - http://ace.pastey.net/4540`
`06:41.39`	`grennon`	`MailTo Next has a nice bag viewer`
`06:41.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`condensed a little bit`
`06:41.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`ah missed one thing`
`06:41.57`	`grennon`	`so nice i think it could be converted into a bucket for adding items you want to bulkmail`
`06:42.01`	`Tem`	`I always wanted to write MailEnhancement...`
`06:42.16`	`grennon`	`sort of a "many slots like Bulkmail, but with icons like ctmailmod" compromise`
`06:42.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`k pastamancer the last pastey updated http://ace.pastey.net/4541`
`06:42.53`	`Fisker-`	`So is postal actually in a functional state yet? :P`
`06:42.56`	`pastamancer`	`oh damn, Tem wins`
`06:43.16`	`Tem`	`it's on my todo list`
`06:43.20`	`Tem`	`but it's at the bottom`
`06:43.27`	`Tem`	`and has been for like a year`
`06:43.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`MailEnhancement lawl`
`06:44.06`	`pastamancer`	`MailEnhancement should use the LittlePurplePill library`
`06:44.11`	`grennon`	`Fisker-: no, it eats gnome babies`
`06:44.13`	`Tem`	`heheh`
`06:44.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`BluePill?`
`06:44.57`	`Fisker-`	`well that is functional from a horde pov`
`06:44.58`	`pastamancer`	`the blue one has nothing to do with it`
`06:45.35`	`Tem`	`KarlThePagan, one of the well known "male enhancement" pills is a little purple pill`
`06:45.55`	`pastamancer`	`KarlThePagan: I need more code`
`06:46.09`	`grennon`	`Fisker-: wire, deja, and express should work`
`06:46.21`	`ckknight`	`I've downed a couple downers, but nothing compares to these blue and yellow purple pills`
`06:46.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`so I think I've done everything right... looks sorta similar to grid, OnMenuRequest.handler = self then OMR.args.priority.pass.args[n].pass = true`
`06:46.33`	`grennon`	`Fisker-: OpenAll is slow due to me being probably overcautious, and hasnt bad much testing`
`06:46.48`	`grennon`	`Fisker-: and forward is broken but should be done this weekend`
`06:47.36`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: why does that sound familiar?`
`06:47.47`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: Eminem - Purple Pills`
`06:47.54`	`pastamancer`	`I was going to guess D12`
`06:48.00`	`pastamancer`	`but close enough`
`06:48.01`	`ckknight`	`oh yea`
`06:48.02`	`DrZoot`	`if I assign a table to a variable I get a reference, but if I then pass that variable to a function I seem to get a copy, is that right?`
`06:48.04`	`ckknight`	`it's D12 feat. Eminem`
`06:49.01`	`Fisker-`	`you're filling me with lies!1`
`06:49.16`	`pastamancer`	`t = { a = 1 }; b = t.a -- b is a copy`
`06:49.36`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan 07Karl * r23482 10GrouperLFG/GrouperLFG/Core.lua:`
`06:49.36`	`CIA-17`	`Bits:`
`06:49.36`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:49.36`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`pastamancer, http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/GrouperLFG/Karl/GrouperLFG/Core.lua`
`06:50.26`	`pastamancer`	`oooh, Core.lua`
`06:50.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`06:50.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`i haven't module'd it yet :/`
`06:51.00`	`pastamancer`	`I hope I never have a screen full of 20 different Core.lua's`
`06:51.07`	`Fisker-`	`grennon`
`06:51.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`ahha`
`06:51.17`	`Fisker-`	`So right now Expressmail seems to be lighting up the icons :P`
`06:51.31`	`Fisker-`	`And open all just removes the grey colour from already opened mails ;D`
`06:51.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`I guess I'll rename the filename and maybe the mod before it put it in /trunk`
`06:52.14`	`*** join/#wowace Dhraga (n=chatzill@static-213.88.132.126.addr.tdcsong.se)`
`06:52.15`	`grennon`	`Fisker-: yeah, the function that disable the inbox needs work, it needs to check isread and set icons back to de-saturated`
`06:52.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`the start of the menu code i'm showing you is line 1041`
`06:52.27`	`Dhraga`	`Morning`
`06:52.57`	`*** join/#wowace nickenyfiken (n=nickenyf@83.145.59.23)`
`06:53.04`	`pastamancer`	`KarlThePagan: what happens if you change self.OnMenuRequest.handler = self to self.OnMenuRequest.handler = lfg ?`
`06:53.37`	`grennon`	`Fisker-: its not deleteing empty mails right now, since i dont want anyone getting antsy, testing it, and their bankmule inbox`
`06:54.05`	`DrZoot`	`pastamancer, so does that work if t.a is a table? as in t = { a = { b = 1, c = 2 } }; d = t.a`
`06:54.19`	`pastamancer`	`d would be a reference to t.a`
`06:54.48`	`DrZoot`	`pastamancer, ok well it seems that if I then pass d to a function I get a copy inside the function, not a reference`
`06:54.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`pastamancer, same`
`06:55.08`	`ckknight`	`alright, got a new database scheme for Cartographer-Notes`
`06:55.22`	`pastamancer`	`KarlThePagan: hmm`
`06:56.22`	`ckknight`	`instead of saving r, g, b all as numbers [0, 1], it saves it as a color [0, 16777215]`
`06:56.38`	`ckknight`	`such that format("%06x", color) gives rrggbb`
`06:56.49`	`pastamancer`	`ooooh`
`06:57.11`	`ckknight`	`nice, eh?`
`06:57.19`	`ckknight`	`better than cide's plan of storing a string, imho.`
`06:57.26`	`DrZoot`	`wow, that is nice`
`06:57.30`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`for how much savings?`
`06:57.43`	`nymbia`	`ckknight: very nice.`
`06:57.50`	`ckknight`	`ZealotOnAStick: roughly 30 bytes per color if all the colors are defined,.`
`06:57.52`	`pastamancer`	`here's to spite!`
`06:57.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`SPITE SPITE SPITE`
`06:57.59`	`ckknight`	`note, if the color is white, it isn't stored in the database`
`06:58.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`06:58.02`	`ckknight`	`for efficiency.`
`06:58.19`	`nymbia`	`i'm all for spite if the end result is more efficiency.`
`06:58.29`	`ckknight`	`also note: the API for Cartographer-Notes didn't change at all.`
`06:58.41`	`ckknight`	`if you feed in titleR, titleG, titleB, it'll be automatically converted to the new format`
`06:58.42`	`nymbia`	`handy`
`06:58.49`	`ckknight`	`also, old databases are automatically converted to the new format.`
`06:58.50`	`lhunath`	`ckknight: you mean white is considdered 'default'?`
`06:58.57`	`ckknight`	`yes, lhunath`
`06:59.07`	`pastamancer`	`just like in america!`
`06:59.11`	`ckknight`	`and defaults aren't stored needlessly`
`06:59.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`pasta also tried handler = lfg in all the child tables`
`06:59.13`	`ckknight`	`lol, pastamancer`
`06:59.56`	`lhunath`	`ckknight: if you say old databases are converted, does that mean whites from old databases are ignored?`
`06:59.59`	`pastamancer`	`aaargh, chardonnay + firefox not having emacs keybindings = frustrated me`
`07:00.31`	`lhunath`	`s/ignored/not added in the new one/`
`07:00.36`	`ckknight`	`lhunath: it'll convert to the new form, if the color is white, it's not stored in the DB.`
`07:00.44`	`lhunath`	`purl: thank you for pointing that out.`
`07:00.44`	`purl`	`de nada, lhunath`
`07:01.28`	`Dekuna`	`~flee`
`07:01.35`	`purl`	`ACTION runs away screaming`
`07:01.42`	`lhunath`	`heh.`
`07:03.02`	`pastamancer`	`KarlThePagan: hmm, moveUp and moveDown don't have functions`
`07:03.30`	`todd`	`is there any ace2 hud that's more prominent than another?`
`07:03.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`paste they're children of group with pass=true`
`07:04.05`	`KarlThePagan`	`so, that's the correct usage eh?`
`07:04.11`	`todd`	`I don't want to say better, because everyone has their own opinions, I just want to know which one most people like`
`07:04.43`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r23483 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua:`
`07:04.43`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer-Notes:`
`07:04.43`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:04.43`	`CIA-17`	`- DB version bumped to 3.`
`07:04.43`	`CIA-17`	`- Note: the API didn't change and if one were to feed in titleR, titleG, titleB as before, it would be converted automatically to the new form.`
`07:04.49`	`ckknight`	`there we go`
`07:04.50`	`KarlThePagan`	`children of temp[k]`
`07:04.51`	`ckknight`	`please test`
`07:05.01`	`ckknight`	`see if the conversion didn't fuck up your database.`
`07:05.56`	vid`	`wow`
`07:06.01`	vid`	`vanguard is 17gigs`
`07:06.08`	vid`	`just installed beta`
`07:06.08`	vid`	`lol`
`07:06.29`	vid`	`now it has to patch for an hour`
`07:06.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`I really want to use passing groups to cut down on the number of functions/closures I make`
`07:07.07`	`kergoth`	`ckknight, nice`
`07:07.46`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: :-)`
`07:08.13`	`ckknight`	vid`: tell me what you think
`07:08.47`	`pastamancer`	`KarlThePagan: "the children of temp[k]" sounds like a dragonriders of pern novel :p`
`07:08.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`07:09.04`	`ckknight`	`I saw porn instead of pern.`
`07:09.38`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: same diff`
`07:09.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`if you want to see more funky options table crap... search for function populateBitsSubmenu`
`07:10.22`	`pastamancer`	`Grid does some wacky stuff with option menus too, but not ye olde pile of local tables pointing at each other`
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`07:10.45`	`Adirelle-Home`	`hi there`
`07:10.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`3 lines in that function commented out and if i put those back in and remove the get and set funcs...`
`07:11.14`	`Adirelle-Home`	`if addon usage were measured on the number of bug reports, BT3 is quite popular according to trac :)`
`07:11.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`then that's type='toggle' under a passing group`
`07:12.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`which gives me a different nil error and I think ck said it was that toggles didn't work with passing groups yet`
`07:12.40`	`ckknight`	`gimme the error`
`07:12.41`	`ckknight`	`I'll fix it`
`07:12.54`	`MrBangle`	`hi all, I have a question. Yesterday I did some changes in the sources of WowAceUpdater, and I would like to share them with its author... who is him / who are them ?`
`07:13.14`	`ckknight`	`http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF208-Eggnancy.jpg#198`
`07:13.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, http://ace.pastey.net/4542 - that's me trying to use toggles with get/set as children of a passing group`
`07:13.23`	`ckknight`	`MrBangle: PProvost`
`07:13.26`	`nymbia`	`MrBangle: PProvost`
`07:13.42`	`MrBangle`	`ok thanks, I'll wait for him online.`
`07:13.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`and http://ace.pastey.net/4533 is me trying to use executes as children of a passing group`
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`07:13.51`	`nymbia`	`~seen PProvost`
`07:14.15`	`purl`	`pprovost <n=PProvost@pool-71-112-38-117.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 4h 26m 22s ago, saying: 'You have decided. I don't agree. Whatever. Time to move on.'.`
`07:14.35`	`MrBangle`	`yep, i saw him yesterday for a while`
`07:14.40`	`MrBangle`	`but he was afk`
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`07:16.56`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: ah, I know the issue`
`07:17.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`:D`
`07:17.07`	`Hajitorus`	`ckknight: http://xkcd.com/`
`07:17.36`	`ckknight`	`Hajitorus: I know`
`07:17.55`	`CIA-17`	`03arkayenro 07v1.29 beta 2007-01-06-18-05 * r23484 10ArkInventory/ (6 files in 2 dirs):`
`07:17.55`	`CIA-17`	`ArkInventory:`
`07:17.55`	`CIA-17`	`- v1.29 beta 2007-01-06-18-05`
`07:17.56`	`Hajitorus`	`Figures.`
`07:17.59`	`Hajitorus`	`Damn nerds.`
`07:18.22`	`Hajitorus`	`All looking at the same comics. :-\`
`07:18.49`	`Benumbed`	`when you InjectAceOptionsTable, is there an option that I am missing to hide "Debugging, About"`
`07:18.49`	`pastamancer`	`Hajitorus: did you see the map of the internet?`
`07:19.01`	`Hajitorus`	`pastamancer: Yah. Very very sweet.`
`07:19.29`	`Hajitorus`	`My employer tolerates me looking at comics if they're nerdy. ;)`
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`07:19.44`	`pastamancer`	`I have it printed out at work with a little "you are here" arrow`
`07:20.29`	`Hajitorus`	`shifty eyes I wonder if I can use A3 paper for it ...`
`07:20.32`	`pastamancer`	`I <3 my class-b`
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`07:28.44`	`Herio`	`hrm`
`07:29.00`	`Herio`	`i'm looking at the deucecommander code, why does it use AceDB o.O`
`07:29.34`	`Herio`	`it doesn't look like it's actually doing anything but registering the db >.>`
`07:30.33`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Why do so many FuBar addons not have "Hide icon" functionality?`
`07:31.06`	`pastamancer`	`because if you installed the addon, you obviously wanted the icon! :p`
`07:31.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and nymbia, why does Manufac disable itself when you hide it? And if you unhide it, it unhides and enables, but you can just enable it without unhiding it to get it hidden (though with effort)?`
`07:31.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok i'm listening to ck's interview and cide is full of shit`
`07:32.10`	`ckknight`	`yep...`
`07:32.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`very clearly ... alphamap and metamap`
`07:32.23`	`nymbia`	`ZealotOnAStick: there's some funky interaction between the fubar plugin and the main addon that's unintended. i should fix that.`
`07:32.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`i haven't even heard ct mentioned ;P`
`07:32.47`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: I mention it way later`
`07:32.54`	`Herio`	`yeah`
`07:32.58`	`ckknight`	`I mostly rag on AlphaMap and MetaMap`
`07:33.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`well clearly :P`
`07:33.05`	`ckknight`	`only CT_MapMod for a little bit.`
`07:33.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`when you get the passing stuff squared away I'll try to write some wiki examples for it`
`07:35.02`	`Dhraga`	`http://www.leasticoulddo.com/ is funny`
`07:35.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`one thing i see used but not documented is the handler = ?? feature of aceoptionstable`
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`07:39.01`	`Herio`	`ok, so in order for fubarplugin to keep track of the position of the icon on the minimap (and i assume on the bar) between sessions, the addon needs to have an AceDB?`
`07:39.51`	`Tem`	`iirc, FuBar proper saves the bar position, but yeah, you probably need a db in order to have minimap positions saved`
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`07:40.33`	`Herio`	`okie`
`07:41.37`	`ckknight`	`yep, Herio :-P`
`07:45.26`	`Herio`	`makes sense`
`07:45.55`	`Herio`	`i was wondering why dueceCommander had a DB and after tinkering figured it was that =P`
`07:48.27`	vid`	`hmm`
`07:48.32`	vid`	`k vanguard is eh`
`07:48.35`	vid`	`rough around edges`
`07:48.45`	vid`	`gonna need a powerhouse system to run it`
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`07:48.52`	vid`	`ill tell you that much`
`07:49.02`	vid`	`i have graphics cranked down and getting 25 fps`
`07:49.04`	`pastamancer`	vid`: is it too brown? :p
`07:49.13`	vid`	`vanguard = eq 2.5`
`07:49.15`	vid`	`hehe`
`07:49.19`	vid`	`from what i see`
`07:49.22`	vid`	`im sure theres more to it later`
`07:49.24`	`haste`	`oh joy`
`07:49.28`	`haste`	`I remember EQ2`
`07:49.44`	`haste`	`wish I didn't tho'`
`07:49.46`	`pastamancer`	`Brad can DIAF for all I care`
`07:49.47`	vid`	`another game needs to come out like UO in the drad days`
`07:49.52`	vid`	`dread*`
`07:49.58`	`pastamancer`	`pre-trammel?`
`07:49.58`	vid`	`im looking forward to tabula rasa`
`07:50.08`	vid`	`yes pre tram`
`07:50.13`	vid`	`pre rep patch (20% stat loss)`
`07:50.25`	`pastamancer`	`and without all the gold dupes :p`
`07:50.36`	vid`	`yea but with the house loot bugs`
`07:50.38`	vid`	`lol`
`07:50.44`	vid`	`i miss that game`
`07:50.46`	vid`	`ganking miners`
`07:50.49`	vid`	`and taking all their ore`
`07:50.51`	`Eej`	`man I'm just waiting for WAR really :\|`
`07:50.53`	vid`	`:\`
`07:51.03`	vid`	`or killing people with house deeds on them`
`07:51.10`	vid`	`and then planting the house right in front of them while they are dead`
`07:51.24`	`pastamancer`	`would UO still be UO without botting for days until you were a 7xGM?`
`07:51.32`	vid`	`:P`
`07:51.39`	vid`	`man i remember having some complex macros`
`07:51.44`	vid`	`to macro my resist`
`07:51.57`	vid`	`i'd have like 4 peeople botting summoning daemons to nuke me`
`07:52.01`	vid`	`while i sit on a boat`
`07:52.06`	vid`	`so they cant melee`
`07:52.07`	vid`	`lol`
`07:52.22`	`pastamancer`	`even macroing in SWG wasn't that bad`
`07:52.43`	vid`	`oh well bed time almost 3 am gnite :)`
`07:52.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`pastamancer, it was for a while`
`07:52.51`	vid`	`wow >>>>>>> vanguard`
`07:52.54`	`pastamancer`	`and I had a sweet MD/TKA xp/rep macro that I ran in the basement of one of the imp towns`
`07:53.01`	vid`	`imo`
`07:53.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`i had a coworker who maxed out his pistoleer with macroing swg`
`07:53.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`hehe`
`07:53.19`	`haste`	`you could max out pretty much anything in SWG with macros`
`07:53.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`hehe`
`07:53.36`	vid`	`tabula rasa will be the next cool game`
`07:53.41`	vid`	`cause its by lord british himself~`
`07:53.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`except for freakin... tradeskills`
`07:53.56`	`pastamancer`	`in the basement of one of the buildings in one of the towns on nabu there were two stormtroopers that spawned right next to each other with nobody else around and you could macro to TKM off them`
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`07:54.23`	`pastamancer`	`I had a bunch of faction bases before I quit and went from MD/MCarbine to MD/TKM`
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`07:54.47`	`pastamancer`	`I'm really hoping that a prot-specced pally will be like the MD/TKM`
`07:54.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`i was a freakin masochist...`
`07:54.56`	`KarlThePagan`	`master artisan`
`07:55.10`	`pastamancer`	`you could macro crafting, it just required autoit`
`07:55.11`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`while some of this is sort of interesting, I have to admit that I feel extra-uber-geeky, sitting here listening to a podcast archive interview of a mod coder.`
`07:55.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`07:55.20`	`pastamancer`	`I think I still have my autoit crafting macros`
`07:55.29`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r23485 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.lua: GrindStatus: .cannotAttachToMinimap = true`
`07:56.08`	`pastamancer`	`KarlThePagan: http://ace.pastey.net/4543`
`07:56.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`hah nice`
`07:57.03`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r23486 10Manufac/Manufac-FuBar.lua: Manufac: Hopefully no more funky standby interaction.`
`07:57.06`	`pastamancer`	`there really wasn't anything to do in SWG except macro`
`07:57.18`	`nymbia`	`ZealotOnAStick: testplz`
`07:58.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`I was on Intrepid... imperial side... and we had Monika/Akinom`
`07:58.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`first jedi`
`07:58.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`first banned`
`07:58.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`:P`
`07:58.37`	`KarlThePagan`	`he destroyed almost all of my guild's bases`
`07:58.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`single handedly`
`07:59.01`	`pastamancer`	`I started on the force-sensitive stuff, but it wasn't worth becoming a jedi, although that was pre-NGE`
`07:59.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea pre-NGE too`
`07:59.29`	`pastamancer`	`I really liked pre-CU`
`07:59.46`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`nymbia: checking out.`
`07:59.53`	`pastamancer`	`but I was an artisan/musician then`
`07:59.53`	`nymbia`	`ZealotOnAStick: thanks :D`
`08:00.03`	`pastamancer`	`oh and swordsman, lol`
`08:00.26`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`08:00.34`	`KarlThePagan`	`rifleman/tka eventually`
`08:00.44`	`pastamancer`	`when they offered free talent migrations, I macroed to master musician/master dancer and migrated to MD/MCarbine`
`08:00.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`i think i ground a few things and dropped em`
`08:00.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`haha`
`08:01.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`i quit before migrations`
`08:01.06`	`pastamancer`	`migrations were lame`
`08:01.26`	`pastamancer`	`I'll miss my roommate's wookie. Master ID, Master BH`
`08:01.37`	`grennon`	`i already like my forward mail mod better that ct_mailmod's`
`08:01.57`	`grennon`	`mine closes the silly mail your forwarding once you hit forward`
`08:02.22`	`pastamancer`	`grennon: do it yourself, that's the only way to make sure it's done right :p`
`08:02.46`	vid`	`http://www.playtr.com/media/screens.html`
`08:03.22`	vid`	`looks like unreal tournament 04`
`08:03.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`nymbia: two improvements. Hide Plugin is actually there now, thanks. Also, unchecking Use Fubar doesn't uncheck Enabled. So, good, thank you for fixing.`
`08:03.26`	vid`	`onl in an mmo world`
`08:03.36`	`todd`	`anyone here use xart with bartender3?`
`08:03.37`	`nymbia`	`ZealotOnAStick: thanks :D`
`08:03.41`	`nymbia`	`Fisker-: :o`
`08:04.02`	vid`	`not to mention, http://www.playtr.com/team/team_bios.html`
`08:04.09`	`pastamancer`	vid`: is that a FPS MMO?
`08:04.12`	vid`	`yes`
`08:04.17`	vid`	`not to mention the producer of the game`
`08:04.17`	`pastamancer`	`like planetside?`
`08:04.25`	vid`	`is richard garriot`
`08:04.28`	vid`	`aka lord british from UO`
`08:04.31`	vid`	`so it will rock`
`08:04.32`	vid`	`:P`
`08:04.41`	vid`	`i think so`
`08:04.50`	`pastamancer`	`I didn't know he went to NCSoft`
`08:04.50`	`Fisker-`	that logo vid`
`08:04.54`	vid`	`or more like neocron`
`08:04.54`	`Fisker-`	`= "I CAME"`
`08:05.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Richard Garriott runs NCSoft US, pretty much, in title, his brother does more of the actual day to day work according to Jack Emmert.`
`08:06.03`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Lord Limey I think is more working on Tabula Rasa.`
`08:07.04`	`pastamancer`	`hmm, RDX sure looks like something I would have liked to have written`
`08:07.48`	`DrZoot`	`RDX is over rated`
`08:07.49`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I really wonder how much memory it takes up. The core idea behind it, being just a massive frigging relational database with lots of manipulators isn't bad.`
`08:08.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`But it's got to be ugly.`
`08:08.22`	`pastamancer`	`oh, I'm sure it's positively baroque`
`08:08.32`	`pastamancer`	`but I can't resist a good object model`
`08:09.30`	`pastamancer`	`maybe someday I'll have time to work on my (not so) secret project`
`08:10.26`	`soulz2003`	`RDX is way to complex for my likes :\|`
`08:10.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`wowradio is ... a little painful to listen to`
`08:10.56`	`pastamancer`	`soulz2003: is grid too complex for you?`
`08:10.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`wtb irl studio or an isdn line for interviews`
`08:11.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yes. What's the beeping/squaking that keeps happening?`
`08:11.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`their vent i assume`
`08:11.22`	`soulz2003`	`pastamancer: no :)`
`08:11.30`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I've never heard that from vent before.`
`08:11.31`	`pastamancer`	`soulz2003: :)`
`08:11.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`there's also that not quite college radio feel ;)`
`08:11.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`but i can't really blame them... glad it exists at least`
`08:12.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, thanks for looking into passing groups - i'm goin down for the night (up in 6-7hrs)`
`08:12.32`	`ckknight`	`k`
`08:13.01`	`soulz2003`	`jc, how long has Ace been in development for?`
`08:13.11`	`ckknight`	`soulz2003: Ace or Ace2?`
`08:13.15`	`soulz2003`	`both :)`
`08:13.18`	`ckknight`	`they're two separate, but connected projects`
`08:13.33`	`ckknight`	`Ace2 really took hold in the summer`
`08:13.41`	`ckknight`	`Ace was around about a year before that`
`08:13.58`	`ckknight`	`the original authors of Ace aren't even around anymore...`
`08:14.08`	`soulz2003`	`hehe :O`
`08:14.13`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan 07Karl * r23487 10GrouperLFG/GrouperLFG/Core.lua:`
`08:14.13`	`CIA-17`	`GrouperLFG:`
`08:14.13`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:16.40`	`*** join/#wowace Tekkub (n=tekkub@ip70-178-135-244.ks.ks.cox.net)`
`08:16.40`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ`
`08:16.45`	`ckknight`	`hey Tekkub`
`08:16.56`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`08:17.06`	`nymbia`	`sup Tekkub`
`08:17.20`	`ckknight`	`soulz2003: Ace2 has about 7 or so authors total, but I wrote the majority chunk of it. Tekkub, who just joined, is also an author.`
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`08:18.56`	`pastamancer`	`without any context, thoughts on http://ace.pastey.net/4544 ?`
`08:19.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`http://www.tatoe.net/wow/1-3gchat.doc`
`08:19.52`	`soulz2003`	`interesting :)`
`08:20.43`	`ckknight`	`interesting, pastamancer`
`08:21.19`	`soulz2003`	`so how do i import my gatherer.lua into cartographer using the importer?`
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`08:22.40`	`Fritti`	`pastamancer: syntax error on line 8, not expecting :`
`08:22.43`	`Fritti`	`:-)`
`08:22.44`	`ckknight`	`soulz2003: copy Gatherer.lua into the Cartographer_Import directory`
`08:22.55`	`ckknight`	`run it and Cartographer.`
`08:23.20`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Ace2 is "infamous?"`
`08:23.24`	`soulz2003`	`thankyou ckk :)`
`08:23.34`	`ckknight`	`ZealotOnAStick: yea...`
`08:23.39`	`ckknight`	`ZealotOnAStick: frankly, they're bad DJs`
`08:24.49`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: I'll raise the interesting another notch with http://ace.pastey.net/4545`
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`08:25.20`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`08:25.43`	`pastamancer`	`it's totally pie-in-the-sky right now`
`08:26.45`	`pastamancer`	`but I think it has a lot of potential`
`08:32.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`what kind of connection do they have for this interview? Is it on the same pipe they stream it from?`
`08:32.57`	`Benumbed`	`http://pastey.net/4546 - What do I have wrong, no errors...just wont show any image`
`08:33.00`	`ckknight`	`it's just a ventrilo server`
`08:33.04`	`DrZoot`	`pastamancer, this is a noob question but what does "bar.anchor.relpoint: "TOPLEFT"" do? ive never seen a colon used like that`
`08:33.09`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: pie ftw`
`08:33.18`	`ckknight`	`DrZoot: it's not lua`
`08:33.29`	`DrZoot`	`well, that explains that`
`08:33.36`	`Dhraga`	`ck, any link to the interview =?`
`08:33.44`	`ckknight`	`wcradio.com`
`08:33.58`	`Dhraga`	`ck, thanks`
`08:34.10`	`ckknight`	`wow, passing groups is totally fucked in the current implementation`
`08:34.10`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`08:34.17`	`nymbia`	`lol`
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`08:35.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`"Unit Frame Action Bars" - Huh?`
`08:35.23`	`Benumbed`	`can normaltexture not update onthe fly or onshow`
`08:35.38`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Oh. It's groupbuttons, more or less.`
`08:35.42`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`confusing name.`
`08:36.08`	`ckknight`	`Benumbed: it can`
`08:36.44`	`pastamancer`	`DrZoot: it would set the relative point of the player_frame's anchor to "TOPKEFT"`
`08:36.55`	`Benumbed`	`http://pastey.net/4546 what is wrong with that then?`
`08:37.01`	`pastamancer`	`s/TOPKEFT/TOPLEFT/`
`08:37.23`	`Dhraga`	`mmm I just love this comic http://www.thenoobcomic.com/`
`08:37.33`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: I'll be sure to let you know if I actually get around to coding it`
`08:38.15`	`ckknight`	`seems interesting, especially after what I've read of prolog`
`08:38.20`	`CIA-17`	`03grennon 07Postal_Forward * r23488 10Postal/Postal_Forward.lua: Postal: Postal_Forward.lua: Forwarding plain messages and messages with money work.`
`08:38.45`	`pastamancer`	`the most important idea is that you tell it what to do, and it does it`
`08:40.14`	`pastamancer`	`there'd be all sorts of callbacks going on behind the scenes, but it would totally be worth it to decrease the development time of unit frames`
`08:40.22`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Ooooh.`
`08:40.27`	`grennon`	`i need a raid readycheck that spits out a list of rogues/hunters/warriors who don't have their mongoose on`
`08:40.41`	`grennon`	`afk readychecks dont really show readiness, do they?`
`08:40.45`	`pastamancer`	`grennon: use SEEA`
`08:40.47`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm so, so tempted to make a mod compilation with setting with like a 400x400 center viewport now.`
`08:40.53`	`grennon`	`seea?`
`08:41.02`	`pastamancer`	`SpecialEventsEmbed-Auras`
`08:41.03`	`Barbanus`	`Any Ace replacement for auctioneer?`
`08:41.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Fence, sort of.`
`08:41.21`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`KCI2 eventually.`
`08:45.56`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`You should have mentioned the minimap and map circles with group colors and numbers on Cartographer`
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`08:49.52`	Funkeh`	`rawr`
`08:50.04`	`soulz2003`	`later all. /wave`
`08:50.35`	`nymbia`	Funkeh` smells
`08:50.55`	Funkeh`	`irresistable to nymbia`
`08:51.01`	`nymbia`	`you know it`
`08:51.09`	Funkeh`	`:p`
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`08:56.01`	`Fisker-`	`awwww`
`08:56.05`	`Fisker-`	`isn't that sweet?`
`08:56.12`	`Fisker-`	`Someone made a drawing of me`
`08:56.13`	`Fisker-`	`http://danishelite.dk/`
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`08:57.37`	Funkeh`	`you look cute`
`08:58.03`	Funkeh`	`oh no wait, sorry i was looking at a page3 girl`
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`08:59.00`	`Fisker-`	`:(`
`09:01.49`	`kergoth`	`nimbal's buffalo on the branch is looking damn promising`
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`09:02.32`	`nymbia`	`isnt nimbal the original author?`
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`09:03.42`	`kergoth`	`yea, just saying his development branch is looking promising`
`09:03.55`	`ckknight`	`blah`
`09:04.03`	`nymbia`	`ah, i havent taken a look at it. what's it got going?`
`09:04.09`	`kergoth`	`flexible layouts, support for buffs shown on any roster unit, including the target...`
`09:04.21`	`kergoth`	`doesnt create buttons until it needs to, so its ram usage has dropped`
`09:04.22`	`kergoth`	`etc`
`09:04.27`	`nymbia`	`neat`
`09:04.36`	`Dhraga`	`ck, have you got a direct link to the interview or a date when it was ?`
`09:04.48`	`kergoth`	`a buffalo debuff display on the target will kick ass`
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`09:04.57`	`kergoth`	`especially if it gains consolodation of buffs in some fashion`
`09:05.10`	`ckknight`	`http://www.wcradio.com/archive/farmstatus/wow-wtc-12-22-2006.mp3`
`09:05.22`	`Dhraga`	`thanks ck`
`09:06.25`	`Adirelle\|afk`	`has someone a pic of buffalo ?`
`09:07.16`	`kergoth`	`i'm sure theres sshots on the forum`
`09:07.20`	`Adirelle\|afk`	`nvm`
`09:07.21`	`Codayus`	`Hmm, what is buffalo?`
`09:07.24`	`Adirelle\|afk`	`on the wiki, my bad`
`09:07.28`	`Codayus`	`wanders off to look at wiki`
`09:07.37`	`kergoth`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Buffalo`
`09:08.25`	`Codayus`	`Ah, nice.`
`09:09.46`	`pastamancer`	`I'm looking forward to buffalo`
`09:09.59`	`pastamancer`	`it uses SEEA :)`
`09:10.46`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`09:10.54`	`grennon`	`i just need a huge icon for my rampage buff with large font`
`09:11.13`	`grennon`	`i was wasteing rage on patchwerk refreshing it too early`
`09:11.23`	`kergoth`	`looks like itll easily be able to do stuff like that`
`09:11.53`	`Adirelle\|afk`	`per buff customization ? xD`
`09:11.59`	`grennon`	`i had just respecced rampage 5 minutes before the raid, took second on damage behind a mage, im thinking i could have had him though if i had been more strict on refreshing rampage`
`09:12.39`	`grennon`	`your watching cooldowns for juju flurry, major rage potion, bloodrage, berserker rage, and deathwish`
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`09:13.05`	`grennon`	`so watching the countdown for how many seconds of rampage buff you have left just adds to the complexity`
`09:13.29`	`Fisker-`	`i hate you kergoth :(`
`09:13.54`	`grennon`	`i just need a custom cooldown/bufftimer display with all of those on it to make quick decisions`
`09:14.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`http://www.tatoe.net/wow/1-3gchat.doc - read, laugh.`
`09:14.20`	`grennon`	`the patchwerk dps epeen race is no joke`
`09:14.22`	`Fisker-`	`TLDR`
`09:14.32`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`It's worth it.`
`09:14.35`	`Fisker-`	`nah`
`09:14.52`	`grennon`	`ZealotOnAStick: you just linked a word doc on the internets`
`09:14.52`	`Fisker-`	`[3. LocalDefense] <Praxxhunter> OMFG I GET TO FUCK MY DAUGHTER.`
`09:14.55`	`Fisker-`	`Not too long`
`09:14.58`	`Fisker-`	`and definately worth it`
`09:14.59`	`grennon`	`ZealotOnAStick: nobody is going to click that`
`09:15.01`	`Fisker-`	`Unlike yours :P`
`09:15.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I didn't save it as word or wordpad or whateverthefuck.`
`09:15.36`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hold on, if you're that worried, I'll convert it to text.`
`09:15.44`	`grennon`	`or upload it to google docs`
`09:16.08`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hmm. There's an idea.`
`09:16.08`	`grennon`	`that way there is no download or risk of macro infection`
`09:16.08`	`Fisker-`	`More like "Hey i don't want to open up needless apps to view plaintext"`
`09:16.11`	`grennon`	`ZealotOnAStick: paranoia is a good thing :-)`
`09:16.11`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I wouldn't have saved it that way myself.`
`09:16.15`	`Codayus`	`It's not that I'm worried, so much as, that'd require more effort.`
`09:16.21`	`Codayus`	`And like...stuff to load.`
`09:16.32`	Funkeh`	`why is that a doc`
`09:16.41`	Funkeh`	`now i have to open bloody word!`
`09:16.52`	`Codayus`	`See?`
`09:17.34`	`kergoth`	`ckknight, doesnt look like cart is properly converting the table format color data in notes dbs to the new format. inflight notes were showing the wrong color, had to remove hte notes and let it re-add them`
`09:17.49`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`this is sort of neat, this google docs thing`
`09:17.52`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: eep`
`09:18.00`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: what did it show as?`
`09:18.12`	`pastamancer`	`ZealotOnAStick: url?`
`09:18.18`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`A moment.`
`09:18.30`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`just the general thing, docs.google.com`
`09:18.36`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`specific deal coming in a minute.`
`09:18.56`	`pastamancer`	`oh, that`
`09:19.02`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: see if you can see a flaw in the upgrade code: around line 610`
`09:19.06`	`pastamancer`	`I've seen a couple of google spreadsheets`
`09:21.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dc24ff2b_1gqwzs3`
`09:21.31`	`Herio`	`ok, with that title, now i have to read the whole thing...`
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`09:22.23`	`xordoquy`	`hello`
`09:23.35`	`ckknight`	`ZealotOnAStick: reading it, it seems not funny.`
`09:23.58`	`Herio`	`agreed`
`09:24.09`	`Herio`	`i gave up after skiming the first couple lines`
`09:24.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Knowing Open helps a bit, but down a bit, some of the advice gets absolutely riotously idiotic.`
`09:24.37`	`pastamancer`	`it seems like a really long version of bash.org`
`09:24.42`	`xordoquy`	`I was wondering who edits the http://wowace.com/files/ ?`
`09:24.56`	`ckknight`	`xordoquy: sctipy`
`09:24.58`	`pastamancer`	`xordoquy: it's an automated script`
`09:24.58`	Funkeh`	`nymbia does`
`09:24.59`	`MoonWolf`	`those are automatically generated.`
`09:24.59`	`ckknight`	`script*`
`09:25.17`	`nymbia`	`every 20 minutes. i havent slept since patch day when the server was down`
`09:25.33`	Funkeh`	`:P`
`09:25.33`	`pastamancer`	`nymbia is an automated script`
`09:25.40`	`nymbia`	`you know it`
`09:25.47`	`xordoquy`	`ok, and who can update the wiki ? I got some ace mods that works with wow 2.x version but wiki still claims it's a 1.12 mod`
`09:25.59`	`nymbia`	`xordoquy: everyone can update the wiki.`
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`09:26.24`	`nymbia`	`xordoquy: but there's a script to handle that too`
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`09:26.35`	`pastamancer`	`oh wait, I forgot the official explanation for /files`
`09:26.48`	`pastamancer`	`the prince of the cosmos rolls a katamari around the svn repository every 20 minutes and the result is www.wowace.com/files/`
`09:26.55`	`xordoquy`	`nymbia: for SmartRes at least it didn't work`
`09:27.11`	`kergoth`	`ckknight, went from a pleasant green to a nearly eye hurting shade of blue. i'll take a look tomorrow, heading to bed now`
`09:27.19`	`xordoquy`	`neither did it for PerfectRaid`
`09:27.24`	`ckknight`	`:-(`
`09:28.24`	`pastamancer`	`ZealotOnAStick: if you start having wierd fetish porn showing up in your google searches, that file is why`
`09:28.26`	`Fisker-`	`hmm`
`09:28.34`	`Fisker-`	`why would buffalo have 16 slots for weapon buffs?`
`09:28.39`	`Fisker-`	`you can only have2?`
`09:28.44`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`pastamancer: Cool.`
`09:29.08`	Funkeh`	`Fisker-: not true`
`09:29.11`	`pastamancer`	`like a clock... with lasers`
`09:29.24`	`nymbia`	`that's a lot of weapon buffs`
`09:29.36`	Funkeh`	`all enchants on a weapon counts as a buff, also rockbiter etc they all count ass buffs`
`09:29.43`	Funkeh`	`ass, lol`
`09:29.54`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`16 weapon buffs?`
`09:30.00`	`Fisker-`	`so that's 3?`
`09:30.02`	`xordoquy`	`By the way, thanks to all for the excelent work done with ace, all it's plugins and the excelent ace updater`
`09:30.03`	`Fisker-`	`2*`
`09:30.08`	`nymbia`	Funkeh`: but those overwrite each other
`09:30.25`	`Fisker-`	`and crusader buff and such isn't displayed in your buff tooltips`
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`09:30.26`	`Fisker-`	`unless you mean the procs are weapon buffs`
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`09:30.30`	`FtH\|eagle`	`hi`
`09:32.48`	`Adirelle\|afk`	`trying something`
`09:33.28`	`Adirelle\|afk`	`purl www.wowace.com/files/ is the result of the prince of the cosmos rolling a katamari around the svn repository every 20 minutes`
`09:33.30`	`purl`	`Adirelle\|afk: okay`
`09:33.43`	`Adirelle\|afk`	`~www.wowace.com/files/`
`09:33.45`	`purl`	`[www.wowace.com/files/] the result of the prince of the cosmos rolling a katamari around the svn repository every 20 minutes`
`09:33.51`	`Adirelle\|afk`	`almost...`
`09:33.57`	`pastamancer`	`Adirelle\|afk: :)`
`09:35.07`	`Adirelle\|work`	`purl wikipedia katamari`
`09:36.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`~google katamari`
`09:36.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`no googlebot, or I screw it up?`
`09:36.36`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`purl google katamari`
`09:37.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`does purl understand questions like`
`09:37.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`purl what is www.wowace.com/files/`
`09:37.44`	`purl`	`Adirelle\|work: what are you talking about?`
`09:38.03`	`nymbia`	`purl, www.wowace.com/files/`
`09:38.04`	`purl`	`hmm... www.wowace.com/files/ is the result of the prince of the cosmos rolling a katamari around the svn repository every 20 minutes`
`09:38.43`	`nymbia`	`purl, no, www.wowace.com/files is <reply> the result of the prince of the cosmos rolling a katamari around the svn repository every 20 minutes`
`09:38.44`	`purl`	`okay, nymbia`
`09:38.45`	`nymbia`	`purl, www.wowace.com/files/`
`09:38.47`	`purl`	`www.wowace.com/files/ is, like, the result of the prince of the cosmos rolling a katamari around the svn repository every 20 minutes`
`09:40.09`	`Adirelle\|work`	`or maybe i'm too bored`
`09:40.46`	`evl`	`la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, katamari damacyyyyyyyyyy`
`09:41.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and that's when you hit the mailbox?`
`09:43.23`	`Herio`	`http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/112204/katamari-democracy.gif`
`09:44.34`	Funkeh`	`nymbia your actions when you are bored amaze me`
`09:44.39`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`xkcd.com/c161.html`
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`09:46.19`	`Herio`	`wow lol`
`09:46.34`	`nymbia`	Funkeh`: lol ;)
`09:46.51`	Funkeh`	`hmm`
`09:46.56`	Funkeh`	`~nymbia`
`09:46.57`	`purl`	`such a cheater.`
`09:48.00`	Funkeh`	`im at boredom level 0.5 if i reach 0.2 i will start on the remaining instances in babble boss`
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`09:48.20`	`sylvanaar`	`good morning`
`09:48.26`	Funkeh`	`morning`
`09:48.53`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`If you need something to do, help me finish Voyeur with a working item cache that actually changes properly when you chance inspect targets.`
`09:49.23`	`sylvanaar`	`anything new going on?`
`09:49.40`	`CIA-17`	`03pastamancer * r23489 10Grid/ (Grid.toc GridStatusHeals.lua libs/): Grid: Healcomm -> CastCommLib`
`09:49.51`	`pastamancer`	`sylvanaar: ^^ that is going on`
`09:50.29`	`sylvanaar`	`pastamancer: o.O`
`09:50.49`	`pastamancer`	`sylvanaar: http://grid.13th-floor.org/svn/trunk/CastCommLib/CastCommLib.lua`
`09:51.05`	`pastamancer`	`it's all JoshBorke's fault`
`09:51.33`	`sylvanaar`	`pastamancer: oh is this borke's cast sync thing?`
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`09:52.02`	`pastamancer`	`sylvanaar: more or less`
`09:52.32`	Funkeh`	`pastamancer: how sexy`
`09:52.51`	`sylvanaar`	`ook`
`09:53.05`	`pastamancer`	Funkeh`: the code, the functionality?
`09:53.11`	`pastamancer`	`sylvanaar: interview?`
`09:53.24`	Funkeh`	`functionality`
`09:53.27`	Funkeh`	`idea`
`09:53.37`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, it was a info-sync concept mod`
`09:53.42`	`pastamancer`	`oh`
`09:54.00`	`pastamancer`	`I could poke at it`
`09:54.11`	`pastamancer`	`now that I have a nice library stub`
`09:54.16`	`sylvanaar`	`one of its features was ace-event remoting`
`09:55.14`	`xordoquy`	`mmmm`
`09:55.15`	`FtH\|eagle`	`pastamancer: debugging is on in castcommlib`
`09:55.17`	`sylvanaar`	`basically just remoting ace-events buys you alot`
`09:55.38`	`pastamancer`	`FtH\|eagle: oh, I forgot to disable that`
`09:55.51`	`FtH\|eagle`	`np, it just spams my chat :)`
`09:56.14`	`xordoquy`	`As for PerfectRaid wiki page, I can not edit the right menu and this menu is not up to date.`
`09:57.20`	`pastamancer`	`FtH\|eagle: /run CastCommLib:ToggleDebugging(false)`
`09:57.29`	`pastamancer`	`or wait 20 minutes`
`09:57.48`	`FtH\|eagle`	`I'll wait`
`09:58.06`	`pastamancer`	`~www.wowace.com/files/`
`09:58.11`	`purl`	`[www.wowace.com/files/] the result of the prince of the cosmos rolling a katamari around the svn repository every 20 minutes`
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`10:00.19`	`nymbia`	`oh sylvanaar, prat bug! ;)`
`10:00.49`	`pastamancer`	`bugs in prat?! this cannot be!`
`10:01.08`	`pastamancer`	`I'm looking forward to when sylvanaar's branch makes it to trunk :)`
`10:01.13`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: need to kill url parsing within chat links, ie Broken I.W.I.N. Button`
`10:04.16`	`Health`	`I've noticed that too`
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`10:06.01`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: gotcha, i have seen that too`
`10:06.16`	`Ominous`	`is there a way to make 1 file always update when you commit?`
`10:06.31`	`pastamancer`	`Ominous: no`
`10:06.37`	`nymbia`	`Ominous: ie, to get the rev to update? nope, gotta touch.`
`10:06.44`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: a generic fix along those lines would also fix the duplicate substitution bug too`
`10:06.57`	`Ominous`	`ok ty`
`10:07.03`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: for stuff within brackets? yeah, true.`
`10:07.29`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: if i pulled out urls' and put them back at the end`
`10:07.45`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: yeah`
`10:08.13`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: why does that module get to parse the string multiple times, anyway?`
`10:08.27`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: thats just how it was wrtitten`
`10:08.32`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: predates me`
`10:08.37`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: fair enough.`
`10:09.29`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: but i think replacing each found link with a token then doing a table gsub at the end would work`
`10:09.38`	Funkeh`	`i am le tired`
`10:09.40`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: yes, it should :)`
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`10:11.13`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: seen any other issues? buggrabber getting fixed really helped - i was at wits end`
`10:11.29`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: it's been working pretty well :)`
`10:12.19`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: i need to validate that its not tainging the pet bar before i move to the trunk.`
`10:12.31`	`sylvanaar`	`s/tainging/tainting/`
`10:12.52`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: i dont have a pet :(`
`10:13.47`	Funkeh`	`ill be your pet for 100g/minute`
`10:14.06`	Funkeh`	`i can smite stuff`
`10:14.19`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: or MC`
`10:14.54`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: mage :( guess i could spec ice.. ;)`
`10:15.13`	`Herio`	`frost? =)`
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`10:24.07`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: if you cant test easily dont worry, i'll test on my priest or warlock`
`10:24.23`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: :)`
`10:25.13`	`nymbia`	`damn pet bar taints at the drop of a hat.. is it still tainting with no addons loaded on live? it was doing that when i was frost specced early on in beta..`
`10:26.15`	`Adirelle\|work`	`didn't i shouldn't remove changelog-r*.txt to have wau works properly :s`
`10:26.26`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/didn't/didn't know/`
`10:27.04`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: yeah, but when i run just a few addons it taints an order of magnitute less frequently`
`10:27.05`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(btw, should I write "didn't know" or "didn't knew" I'm quit confused with this)`
`10:27.05`	`nymbia`	`Adirelle\|work: yeah, it checks that to determine your current version, right?`
`10:27.05`	`Adirelle\|work`	`nymbia : yep`
`10:27.16`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: pain in the ass, that frame.. :(`
`10:27.27`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: no joke`
`10:27.40`	`nymbia`	`Adirelle\|work: "didn't know" is correct :)`
`10:27.52`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: is it possible that we can make a mod to just show it permanently?`
`10:28.03`	`Adirelle\|work`	`nymbia : and it also downloads the YYYY-rXXXX.zip , not the latest YYYY.zip`
`10:28.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I believe Bongos does just that, sylvanaar.`
`10:28.29`	`nymbia`	`heh`
`10:28.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`was wondering how to make my own repository...`
`10:28.59`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(for my guildies)`
`10:29.16`	`sylvanaar`	`ZealotOnAStick: i almost want to put it in Prat so that noone can say that Prat is the cause of the taint`
`10:29.50`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`10:30.08`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Is it at least fixed in beta/ptr?`
`10:30.11`	`sylvanaar`	`no`
`10:30.15`	`nymbia`	`brute force anti-taint! muahahaha`
`10:30.26`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm tired of catching flack every time we do Raz or Faerlina.`
`10:31.24`	`nymbia`	`ZealotOnAStick: maybe make macros for the appropriate pet actions til that crap gets fixed?`
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`10:32.24`	`Adirelle\|work`	`does /cast works with pet action names ?`
`10:32.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`10:32.45`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(stupid me, got a macro for Intimidation :D)`
`10:33.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats actually not a pet skill`
`10:33.25`	`Health`	`Dash is tho, worksh with it`
`10:33.44`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`10:33.49`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(double stupid me)`
`10:34.12`	`nymbia`	`pet spells work with /cast and every variation thereof (including SetBindingSpell)`
`10:35.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`if i wasnt so lazy, and i actually got effected by the nopetbar bug, i would write a new pet bar using secure frames`
`10:36.05`	Funkeh`	`errr`
`10:36.08`	Funkeh`	`ok..`
`10:36.29`	Funkeh`	`wierd bug in agUF, its made the 3d portraits the size of the screen, i have a big ? on my screen..`
`10:36.40`	Funkeh`	`and i didn't even do anything :p`
`10:36.44`	`Gngsk`	`ss or it didn't happen`
`10:37.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Arrowmaster - that's probably be pretty welcomed.`
`10:37.28`	`Adirelle\|work`	`btw, never had trouble with BT3, did you ?`
`10:38.10`	Funkeh`	`ok`
`10:38.15`	Funkeh`	`so other people are getting it also`
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`10:41.59`	`Adirelle\|work`	`someone familiar with Blizzard's GuildRoster API here ?`
`10:42.45`	Funkeh`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4548 for anyone interested`
`10:42.58`	`Herio`	`anyone know somewhere i can look at an implementation of scrollframe in the framexml?`
`10:43.10`	Funkeh`	`think i have a grid error in there if you want ot check that pastamancer`
`10:43.26`	Funkeh`	`oh no nvm its the blizz bug`
`10:52.57`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo] : about guild officer auto-promoting : I'll submit a small update to oRA2/Leader/Invite.lua that will allow hooking and I'll do another addon that will do the job`
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`11:29.26`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23490 10Babble-2.2/ (Babble-2.2.toc Babble-Boss-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2.lua): Babble-2.2: toc update, re-arrange AQ`
`11:32.27`	`evl`	`lol, i liked that`
`11:32.28`	`evl`	`Find a contested zone and a lowbie hunter who is questing in it. Don't let him know you're there AT ALL. No attacking him, no revealing yourself, no emotes to him, nothing. Just disarm every trap he lays as he pulls. You just know he'll be going crazy after the first 5 minutes of his traps doing nothing.`
`11:32.32`	`evl`	`Genius at work :D`
`11:33.05`	`nymbia`	`rofl`
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`11:37.51`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`11:40.17`	`nymbia`	`wasnt there a lib floating around for compression? or did it never get realized?`
`11:41.17`	`Dhraga`	`Do we have a equivalent to DruidBar in Ace ?`
`11:41.24`	Funkeh`	`its optimized not optomized isn't it?`
`11:41.42`	`Dhraga`	`Druidbar = Displays Mana in feral form`
`11:41.47`	`nymbia`	`optimized`
`11:41.51`	Funkeh`	`k`
`11:41.57`	`nymbia`	`Dhraga: not that i'm aware of.`
`11:42.02`	`Dhraga`	`ok`
`11:43.18`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23491 10PeriodicTable-2.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): PeriodicTable-2.0: update toc(credits)`
`11:43.38`	`haste`	`nymbia: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5394-lzwLib-1.0.html`
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`11:43.53`	`nymbia`	`haste: thanks :)`
`11:44.26`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23492 10Cartographer/Cartographer.toc: Cartographer: toc change, don't need this`
`11:47.50`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23493 10BigWigs/BigWigs.toc: BigWigs: update toc(credits)`
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`11:55.45`	`Wobble`	`nymbia: There's a compressionlib`
`11:55.55`	`mahiro`	`hi`
`11:56.21`	`nymbia`	`Wobble: whereat? i couldnt find anything on the svn`
`11:56.33`	`mahiro`	`is there a formula how to calculate the base mana?`
`11:56.44`	`Dhraga`	`Do we have a autofollow addon in ace (sets autofollow on a friend, guildie, raidmember, partymember that whispers a keyword to you) ?`
`11:57.17`	`Wobble`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5394-lzwLib-1.0.html`
`11:57.42`	`Wobble`	`Dhraga: Wouldn't that reqiure a hardware event?`
`11:57.43`	`haste`	`(I already gave hime that!)`
`11:57.56`	`Wobble`	`oh`
`11:57.57`	`haste`	`s/hime/him/`
`11:57.57`	`Dhraga`	`Wobble, Nope`
`11:57.58`	`Wobble`	`so you did`
`11:58.06`	`nymbia`	`Wobble: thanks though :D`
`11:58.11`	`Wobble`	`it got lost within all those ccommits`
`11:58.19`	`haste`	`:3`
`11:58.59`	`Wobble`	`It's a good li...jesus christ it's a lion, get in the car =P`
`11:59.22`	`haste`	`>:3`
`11:59.31`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23494 10PeriodicTable-2.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): PeriodicTable-2.0: remove compost`
`12:00.17`	`Dhraga`	`Wobble, atm I use http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4369-FollowMe.html but that allows only the partymembers to put you on follow, not the guild, raid or friends`
`12:00.57`	`nymbia`	`oh crazy fun it's not even 2.0 compatible. 'attempt to call a table value' actually confused me for a second.`
`12:02.04`	`nymbia`	`oooh, nice. pretty effective compression.`
`12:02.06`	`nymbia`	`:D`
`12:03.42`	`haste`	`TinyPad should use it :(`
`12:03.59`	`haste`	`the SV get nuked when you hit ~160 pages`
`12:04.05`	`nymbia`	`ouch`
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`12:04.33`	`haste`	`not nuked, but your client will crash (or did at least) on reload and the whole SV won't be saved`
`12:04.51`	`Mikma`	`boom!`
`12:05.03`	`nymbia`	`that's harsh.`
`12:05.46`	`haste`	`Mikma: The Dudesons, seen it?`
`12:05.54`	`Adirelle\|work`	`nymbia : what do you need compression for ?`
`12:05.55`	`Mikma`	`haste: yeap`
`12:06.07`	`nymbia`	`Adirelle\|work: nothing, yet. just getting ideas together.`
`12:06.07`	`haste`	`Mikma: any good? I've seen the Mr Hitler trailer :3`
`12:06.15`	`Adirelle\|work`	`nymbia: ^^`
`12:06.19`	`nymbia`	`:)`
`12:06.40`	`Adirelle\|work`	`damn, can't get over 76 at http://www.jeannettevejarano.com/tower-defence.swf`
`12:06.42`	`Mikma`	`haste: i did like especially the part when the dudes dig a hole in the hitler's frontyard and cover it with plastic`
`12:06.53`	`Mikma`	`haste: and yes it's quite good :)`
`12:07.06`	`haste`	`Mikma: I've seen that one, and when they shit in his mailbox`
`12:07.11`	`Mikma`	`yeah`
`12:08.34`	`haste`	`Guess I'll spend some time watching it today then`
`12:08.51`	`Mikma`	`it's quite different than ie. jackass`
`12:09.10`	`haste`	`I just have one thing to say about that: PERKELE!`
`12:09.22`	`Mikma`	`the idea is pretty much same, stupid stunts and such`
`12:11.48`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23495 10Cartographer_Fishing/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Cartographer_Fishing: initial development import -- this version doesnt do anything yet`
`12:13.46`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23496 10Cartographer_Fishing/: bad import`
`12:13.54`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23497 10Cartographer_Fishing/ (. Artwork/ Cartographer_Fishing.toc LICENSE.txt addon.lua): Cartographer_Fishing: initial development import -- this version doesnt do anything yet`
`12:19.02`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23498 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: text fixes`
`12:19.31`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23499 10Cartographer_Fishing/Cartographer_Fishing.toc: Cartographer_Fishing: toc fix`
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`12:20.02`	`sylvanaar`	`whats the proper synax for a function arg to gsub, the lua manual is rather vague`
`12:20.34`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23500 10Cartographer_Fishing/LICENSE.txt: Cartographer_Fishing: toc fix`
`12:20.38`	`sylvanaar`	`if i do this: chatstring = string.gsub (chatstring, "www%.[_A-Za-z0-9-]+%.%S+", Prat_UrlCopy.Link)`
`12:20.57`	`sylvanaar`	`Link gets passed a nil`
`12:21.05`	`sylvanaar`	`for every match`
`12:21.06`	`sylvanaar`	`l`
`12:21.07`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`12:21.47`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23501 10Bartender3/locales/Bartender3-deDE.lua:`
`12:21.47`	`CIA-17`	`Bartender3:`
`12:21.47`	`CIA-17`	`- Bartender3-deDE.lua: reverted escape codes back to diacritics`
`12:22.06`	`Silviu`	`pastamancer ping`
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`12:24.30`	`sylvanaar`	`oh god`
`12:24.36`	`sylvanaar`	`chatstring = string.gsub (chatstring, "((www%.([_A-Za-z0-9-]+)%.(%S+)))", Prat_UrlCopy.Link)`
`12:24.50`	`sylvanaar`	`thats the correct syntax`
`12:25.03`	`sylvanaar`	`or something wierd is happening`
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`12:37.32`	`jkw`	~seen ag`
`12:37.39`	`purl`	ag` <n=ag`@0x535bbf63.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 47m 46s ago, saying: 'nn'.
`12:38.36`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23502 10/tags/RosterLib/: Created folder remotely`
`12:39.26`	`jkw`	`ckknight: Do you recommend deleting the old Cartographer folder before installing a new revision due to the new way it handles instance-maps?`
`12:40.37`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 07RosterLib-2.0 * r23503 10RosterLib/: tagging`
`12:41.29`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 07Old * r23504 10RosterLib/: Created folder remotely`
`12:42.33`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 07Old * r23505 10RosterLib/RosterLib-2.0/: tagged`
`12:42.46`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23506 10RosterLib-2.0/: Removed file/folder`
`12:45.02`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23507 10RosterLib/RosterLib-2.0/: RosterLib: removed 2.0 now in tags, if your mod still uses 2.0 upgrade it to 2.1`
`12:51.24`	`sylvanaar`	`argh!`
`12:51.26`	`sylvanaar`	`2007/01/05 06:50:44-1779-x2]: Prat-1.0.23177.23338\modules\UrlCopy.lua:371: AceOO-2.0: cannot concatenate two incompatible objects`
`12:51.40`	`sylvanaar`	`what does that mean`
`12:52.07`	Funkeh`	`it means you fucked up!`
`12:52.10`	Funkeh`	`:p`
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`12:52.30`	`jkw`	`Is ElkBuffBar a dead project btw?`
`12:53.12`	Funkeh`	`don't think so?`
`12:53.54`	`sylvanaar`	`><`
`12:55.08`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23508 10/tags/Metrognome/: Created folder remotely`
`12:55.11`	`\|Kev\|`	`projects don't die, they only sleep :)`
`12:55.17`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`12:55.30`	`Industrial`	`why must ppl be so stupid with the CBRipoff? :(`
`12:55.34`	`jkw`	`"on hold" might be the right phrase :P`
`12:55.34`	`Industrial`	`its totally lame`
`12:55.49`	`sylvanaar`	`ok, apparently i dont know how to call ace function from within the scope of a gsub callback`
`12:55.52`	`jkw`	`CBRipoff?`
`12:55.52`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23509 10Metrognome/: Created folder remotely`
`12:56.16`	Funkeh`	`Industrial: what they doing now?`
`12:56.29`	`Silviu`	`Industrial what is wrong with CBRipoff ?`
`12:56.46`	`Industrial`	`that its a ripoff`
`12:57.01`	`Industrial`	`its highly uncool`
`12:57.02`	`Silviu`	`Ask Rabbit ^^`
`12:57.09`	`Industrial`	`to just take someones shit and put your name on it`
`12:57.13`	`Industrial`	`even if you say you just took it`
`12:57.22`	`Industrial`	`there is NOTHING wrong with oCB`
`12:57.28`	`Industrial`	`people are just too lazy to go to hastes site to get it`
`12:57.32`	`Industrial`	`and want one on the svn instead`
`12:57.35`	`Industrial`	`thats LAME`
`12:57.56`	`Industrial`	`shouldnt be allowed imo`
`12:58.05`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23510 10Metrognome/MetrognomeLib.lua: tagged`
`12:58.39`	`Fisker-`	`Why is that lame?`
`12:58.45`	`Fisker-`	`He chose to remove it from the svn himself`
`12:58.55`	`Industrial`	`yes, so copy it and put i back on?`
`12:58.55`	`Fisker-`	`Now he's losing users over it`
`12:59.00`	`Fisker-`	`It's called consequences`
`12:59.09`	`Industrial`	`its still not appropriate`
`13:00.01`	Funkeh`	`i think haste should put it back on and lock it tbh`
`13:00.42`	`Industrial`	`i think well its his decision, and not someone elses`
`13:00.46`	`CIA-17`	`03arkayenro * r23511 10ArkInventory/Locale/deDE.lua:`
`13:00.46`	`CIA-17`	`ArkInventory:`
`13:00.46`	`CIA-17`	`- corrected DE translations`
`13:00.57`	`Industrial`	`-i think`
`13:01.09`	Funkeh`	`true enough`
`13:01.12`	`\|Kev\|`	`I guess it depends on the license`
`13:01.25`	`\|Kev\|`	`if the original had a permissive license, I guess there's not much to be done`
`13:01.34`	`Silviu`	`Industrial the download links on fuxsake still points to old /files right ?`
`13:01.42`	`Industrial`	`it has nothing to do with license, its just uncool.`
`13:01.42`	`\|Kev\|`	`if the original was under the usual license (i.e. none) then it's illegal`
`13:01.59`	`Industrial`	`im gunna complain about this :P`
`13:02.00`	`\|Kev\|`	`Industrial: it has, because it goes from uncool to illegal`
`13:02.05`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23512 10Metrognome/ (Lib/ Metrognome.toc): MetrognomeLib: remove 1.0 and update toc`
`13:02.08`	`Silviu`	`Or i don�t find the new download links`
`13:02.24`	Funkeh`	`Industrial, complaining IS what you do best after all :p`
`13:02.55`	`Fisker-`	`"We would like to inform you the data that the Blizzard Downloader will or is now downloading is data for the 2.0.3 patch as well as for the Expansion. We've activated this download option in order to minimise downloads on patch day. "`
`13:02.56`	`Fisker-`	`:I?`
`13:02.59`	Funkeh`	`yey 100kb less load!`
`13:03.02`	Funkeh`	`\o/`
`13:03.03`	`Fisker-`	`Still got the same patch here :(`
`13:03.15`	`Industrial`	`yo momma complains`
`13:05.04`	`Silviu`	`Industrial u know the new download links on fuxsake for oCB ?`
`13:05.51`	`Industrial`	`http://fuxsake.net/t21-otravi_CastingBar.html`
`13:05.58`	`Industrial`	`look with your eyes not your nose :p`
`13:06.30`	`Silviu`	`:P`
`13:06.31`	`snurre-`	`is it possible to set up Grid in one column?`
`13:06.53`	Funkeh`	`lol can you imagine 40 people in 1 column`
`13:06.55`	`Silviu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:06.55`	`Silviu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:07.04`	`snurre-`	Funkeh`: yeah, like praid
`13:07.05`	`Silviu`	`Boh point to wowace.com/files`
`13:07.10`	`Silviu`	`Both*`
`13:07.22`	`Industrial`	`Silviu: well haste is right here on freenode`
`13:07.31`	`Industrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:07.39`	`Fisker-`	`He also hangs out here :P`
`13:07.45`	Funkeh`	`haste: we love you please come back`
`13:07.46`	`odt`	`Fisker-: can you post a link?`
`13:07.54`	`Fisker-`	`to what?`
`13:07.57`	`odt`	`to the quote`
`13:08.10`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=105990838&sid=1`
`13:08.12`	`odt`	`ty`
`13:09.25`	`Fisker-`	`Just wondering cause mine isn't downloading anything new`
`13:09.47`	`odt`	`i think it's the one that everyone already has downloaded`
`13:09.49`	`Silviu`	`Fisker- mine is still at that 186 MB file too`
`13:10.09`	`Fisker-`	`Well expansion content should be way more? :P`
`13:10.12`	`Silviu`	`On both deDE client and enGB`
`13:10.21`	`Fisker-`	`unless he means expansion patch data(O_o)?`
`13:10.37`	`odt`	`Fisker-: there's not much more content to add i think`
`13:10.42`	`Silviu`	It`s only part1 if u notice ^^
`13:10.45`	`odt`	`there ain't gonna be an outland in the old client`
`13:10.57`	`Silviu`	`wow-partial-1.MPQ`
`13:11.00`	`odt`	`and they already patched 700 megs last month`
`13:11.02`	`Fisker-`	`and that isn't much? :P`
`13:11.16`	`Silviu`	`And last time were 3 parts no ? :P`
`13:11.22`	`odt`	`yup`
`13:11.25`	`Silviu`	`so espect for more i think ^^^`
`13:11.38`	`Fisker-`	`would be silly to patch in expansion data in a live patch`
`13:12.30`	`\|Kev\|`	`they've already done so though`
`13:12.34`	`odt`	`why?`
`13:12.47`	`\|Kev\|`	`the portals etc. are already there`
`13:13.01`	`odt`	`2.0.3 should allow interoperability between both tbc and wow clients`
`13:13.04`	`Fisker-`	`that's not expansion data`
`13:13.14`	`odt`	`so you need some expansion data`
`13:13.22`	`odt`	`even if it's the new icons for tbc gear`
`13:13.24`	`Adirelle\|work`	`well, well, well, I'm thinking of cleaning non-aced addons out of my interface tree`
`13:13.30`	`Fisker-`	`Expansion data = Outland, Silvermoon, Exodar and the models within it`
`13:13.34`	`Fisker-`	`Not the roads leading to it`
`13:13.44`	`Fisker-`	`The roads and portals are just there for compatibillity`
`13:14.56`	`\|Kev\|`	`I'd be shocked to find out that those won't be in everyone's clients when TBC is live`
`13:15.14`	`\|Kev\|`	`they already have the 'don't go through these portals, you don't have TBC'`
`13:15.33`	`\|Kev\|`	`and it's much easier to manage a uniform set of clients than some which are TBC and some not`
`13:15.40`	`Fisker-`	`True`
`13:15.43`	`Silviu`	`Next week we get 2.0.3 right ?`
`13:15.49`	`Fisker-`	`But they have gone through the trouble to manage i`
`13:15.51`	`Fisker-`	`it`
`13:16.16`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23513 10GratuityLib/GratuityLib.toc: GratuityLib: remove 1.0 from toc`
`13:16.16`	`odt`	`i think next week is the only realistic time for the 2.0.3 patch`
`13:16.17`	`odt`	`unless they are not gonna delay tbc`
`13:16.19`	`Adirelle\|work`	`or maybe 2.0.3 would be tbc ?`
`13:16.20`	`odt`	`doubt blizzard eu could handle launching tbc and patching at the same time :)`
`13:16.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`i.e. 2.0.3 at jan 17st ?`
`13:16.49`	`Fisker-`	`Should be earlier`
`13:16.57`	`\|Kev\|`	`needs to be earlier, I think`
`13:17.13`	`Fisker-`	`yerah`
`13:17.17`	`Fisker-`	`yeah*`
`13:17.44`	`Adirelle\|work`	`so 10st is the only date left`
`13:18.15`	`Adirelle\|work`	`well, it will be 9st on US realms`
`13:18.47`	`odt`	`it's 10th, and 9th`
`13:18.49`	`odt`	`:)`
`13:19.09`	`Adirelle\|work`	`thx`
`13:19.20`	`Fisker-`	`I wonder if they'll have maintanence tuesday and wednesday though`
`13:19.24`	`Fisker-`	`Should be monday if any`
`13:19.26`	`Fisker-`	`imo`
`13:19.43`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23514 10Prat/Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: some module registration check code`
`13:20.10`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23515 10Prat/Prat/modules/UrlCopy.lua: Prat: New UrlCopy parsing implementation`
`13:20.45`	*** join/#wowace Burton` (n=burton@ASte-Genev-Bois-152-1-44-80.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr)
`13:22.26`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23516 10Prat/Prat/modules/UrlCopy.lua: Prat: urlcopy actually calls the skip function`
`13:24.09`	`Adirelle\|work`	`i've done large changes to an addon of the svn (they are on a branch) but I can't get in touch with the author to see how we can merge them into the trunk, any suggestion ?`
`13:24.57`	`Adirelle\|work`	`anyone alive maybe ?`
`13:24.58`	`Adirelle\|work`	`:)`
`13:25.33`	Funkeh`	`18.8mb on startup`
`13:27.09`	Funkeh`	`Adirelle\|work: if your talking about Ammo just send him a msg, hes been _very_ busy with work and rl lately, he will reply to you eventually`
`13:27.19`	`*** join/#wowace restored (i=restored@sherman.campus.luth.se)`
`13:27.55`	`Adirelle\|work`	Funkeh`: i'm talking about a-stray-cat and sorrentimers
`13:28.18`	`Adirelle\|work`	`btw, what the best way to send messages ? the forum ?`
`13:28.52`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone have a lootlink for [brokein i.win.button[`
`13:28.55`	Funkeh`	`erm /msg user`
`13:29.20`	Funkeh`	`if they are not on then forum post/pm`
`13:29.36`	`axxo`	`i have it in my bank`
`13:29.37`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin 07v2.0 * r23517 10DKPmon/ (6 files in 5 dirs): DKPmon: v2.0 -- More code cleanup. (crycode).`
`13:29.45`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: what server you on?`
`13:29.50`	`axxo`	`azjol-nerub`
`13:29.55`	`sylvanaar`	`us?`
`13:29.59`	`axxo`	`eu`
`13:30.05`	Funkeh`	`crycode ftw`
`13:32.05`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23518 10/tags/AbacusLib/: Created folder remotely`
`13:32.24`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23520 10AbacusLib/: Created folder remotely`
`13:32.26`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23519 10Prat/Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: menu cleanup, added 'turn off debug on all modules' command`
`13:32.44`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone on a us server have a link?`
`13:33.37`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23521 10AbacusLib/AbacusLib.lua: tagged`
`13:34.00`	`Iceroth`	`i'm running taintmapper, just enabled BT3: "Key UpdateTalentButton is tainted" :s`
`13:35.17`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23522 10AbacusLib/Lib/: AbacusLib: remove 1.0(tagged)`
`13:35.31`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo`
`13:35.52`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: can you do a /dump "<link item>"`
`13:36.16`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: you use prat right?`
`13:36.25`	`axxo`	`after this ab`
`13:36.45`	`sylvanaar`	`sure`
`13:39.45`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23523 10/tags/BanzaiLib/: Created folder remotely`
`13:40.01`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23524 10BanzaiLib/: Created folder remotely`
`13:41.11`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: do you use prat2?`
`13:41.30`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23525 10BanzaiLib/Banzai-1.0.lua: tagged`
`13:41.46`	`snurre-`	`hm, weird`
`13:41.49`	`snurre-`	`cant log in to wow o.O`
`13:42.46`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23526 10BanzaiLib/Banzai-1.0/: BanzaiLib: removed 1.0(tagged)`
`13:44.17`	`naenae`	`I can't login either`
`13:44.20`	`naenae`	`snurre - european?`
`13:45.01`	`snurre-`	`yeh`
`13:45.06`	`naenae`	`Same here`
`13:45.18`	`snurre-`	`typical, always server problems when im on weekend`
`13:45.32`	`naenae`	`It's Friday, not weekend yet :)`
`13:45.37`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23527 10/tags/CrayonLib/: Created folder remotely`
`13:45.51`	`snurre-`	`for me it is`
`13:45.53`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23528 10CrayonLib/: Created folder remotely`
`13:46.04`	`naenae`	`Your weekend starts on Friday?`
`13:46.04`	`*** join/#wowace Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk)`
`13:46.27`	`snurre-`	`thursday`
`13:46.50`	`naenae`	`Nice, long weekends ;)`
`13:47.01`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23529 10CrayonLib/CrayonLib.lua: tagged`
`13:47.05`	`snurre-`	`no longer than normal`
`13:47.09`	`snurre-`	`only have thursday/friday`
`13:47.45`	`naenae`	`Ah okay`
`13:48.10`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23530 10CrayonLib/Lib/: CrayonLib: removed 1.0(tagged)`
`13:50.11`	`Stephmw`	`looks like funkydude is also already on his weekend :)`
`13:50.27`	`naenae`	`:)`
`13:50.28`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`13:50.50`	Funkeh`	`i get bored so i do waht others are too lazy to do`
`13:50.52`	`Stephmw`	`2 more hours of work.... not sure I can take it`
`13:51.00`	Funkeh`	`:p`
`13:51.40`	`*** join/#wowace nekoh (n=nekoh@pD9E018B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`13:51.55`	`Ordog`	`whos into noteit ?`
`13:52.18`	`Ordog`	`i get a hook error when i click itemlinks unknown by my client`
`13:52.54`	`naenae`	`Hm. SI still can't login.`
`13:53.04`	Funkeh`	`im inspired by nymbia really, kinf of spam, one day i hope to breake google also`
`13:53.11`	Funkeh`	`king*`
`13:53.34`	`axxo`	`sylvanaar: yes`
`13:53.50`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23531 10/tags/DewdropLib/: Created folder remotely`
`13:54.03`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23532 10DewdropLib/: Created folder remotely`
`13:54.21`	`nevcairiel`	`Kemayo: any way you could make that AceComm part optional in Quixote ? :D`
`13:55.05`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23533 10DewdropLib/DewdropLib.lua: tagged`
`13:55.05`	`Ordog`	`naenae login server europe seems down`
`13:55.18`	`Iceroth`	`oh? not just me then :s`
`13:55.31`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: you do run prat 2?`
`13:55.31`	`*** join/#wowace Grine (n=Gustaf@h6n10c1o285.bredband.skanova.com)`
`13:55.42`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: can you do a /dump "<link item>"`
`13:55.54`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: then copychat the result`
`13:55.59`	`Iceroth`	`usually the monkeys at stormreaver's quakenet channel spam 100s of lines every time there's any hickups`
`13:56.21`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23534 10DewdropLib/Lib/: DewdropLib: removed 1.0(tagged)`
`13:56.23`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: link item is the broken I.W.I.N button`
`13:56.38`	`Iceroth`	`nevcairiel, is bt3 intentionally tainting UpdateTalentButton?`
`13:56.43`	`Grine`	`omg stormreaver IRC >.<`
`13:56.45`	`Grine`	`must be hell :P`
`13:56.46`	`CIA-17`	`03fenlis * r23535 10Grid/GridStatusHeals.lua: Grid : fixed 'targetCache' nil value error`
`13:56.52`	`Iceroth`	`you can only imagine..`
`13:57.44`	`sylvanaar`	`man i can produce the pet bar tainting so easily`
`13:57.48`	`nevcairiel`	`Iceroth: yea`
`13:58.14`	`nevcairiel`	`Iceroth: did you encounter any problems with it?`
`13:58.36`	`Iceroth`	`no, i was just running my addons though taint mapper and that was the 1st to pop up`
`13:58.44`	`Iceroth`	`then the server died :-/`
`13:58.55`	`evl`	`Anyone know a good place to buy TBC digitally?`
`13:59.01`	Funkeh`	`Iceroth: you killed the server with an addon? nice`
`13:59.07`	`evl`	`And how would I get the client, can I just download the 2.0.3 patch?`
`13:59.08`	`nevcairiel`	`that fixes the disappearing talent button`
`13:59.22`	`nevcairiel`	`i simply nil the function :P`
`13:59.24`	Funkeh`	`evl: i used amazon`
`13:59.32`	`Iceroth`	`yea i checked the code :)`
`13:59.43`	`evl`	Funkeh`: I need the ck-keys by email, I don't need a box :P
`13:59.49`	`Iceroth`	Funkeh`, eu login is down apparently at least
`14:00.00`	`nevcairiel`	`damnit`
`14:00.06`	`nevcairiel`	`i need to relog to load a new addon`
`14:00.16`	`nevcairiel`	`oh well, guess i will be coding it on beta then`
`14:00.41`	`Grine`	`eu login is up`
`14:00.43`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23536 10/tags/GratuityLib/: Created folder remotely`
`14:00.50`	`sylvanaar`	`oh my god`
`14:01.21`	`Iceroth`	`i'm getting only "Connecting" and then "Unable to connect"`
`14:01.48`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe its your realm?`
`14:01.59`	`sylvanaar`	`the ChatTypeInfo's for the combat log are getting tainted uh oh`
`14:02.00`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23537 10GratuityLib/: Created folder remotely`
`14:02.00`	`naenae`	`I'm getting it too`
`14:02.08`	`naenae`	`It's not the realm, it's before that`
`14:02.12`	`Iceroth`	`well login should still work`
`14:02.20`	`Iceroth`	`but i don't even manage to get login server to respond`
`14:02.28`	`naenae`	`Login isn't working here either`
`14:02.32`	`naenae`	`:\|`
`14:02.47`	`nevcairiel`	`Prat taints a lot of stuff`
`14:02.49`	`evl`	`guess it's gamersloot again`
`14:02.51`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23538 10GratuityLib/GratuityLib.lua: tagged`
`14:03.07`	`sylvanaar`	`the ChatTypeInfo's are all tainted`
`14:03.16`	`*** join/#wowace Tim (n=Tim@CPE-121-208-103-29.qld.bigpond.net.au)`
`14:03.35`	`*** join/#wowace Gamefaq\|afk (i=Gamefaq@pD95278C3.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`14:04.00`	`sylvanaar`	`there's no way around that`
`14:04.05`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23539 10GratuityLib/Lib/: GratuityLib: removed 1.0(tagged)`
`14:04.31`	`*** join/#wowace xlvii (n=Tim@CPE-121-208-103-29.qld.bigpond.net.au)`
`14:05.00`	`sylvanaar`	`other than hiding chatframe 1 and 2 maybe`
`14:05.00`	`xlvii`	`yay! it works [amsg]`
`14:05.16`	`sylvanaar`	`and securehooking`
`14:05.40`	`beerke`	`if you format a string with color, and you put an itemlink in the middle of the string, then the remaining part after the itemlink gets the color of the itemlink. Anyw way to avoid that ?`
`14:05.55`	`sylvanaar`	`who are you asking`
`14:06.07`	`beerke`	`in general :)`
`14:06.44`	`sylvanaar`	`terminate the color properly`
`14:06.49`	`Grine`	`Iceroth, I'm on SR noe`
`14:06.52`	`Grine`	`now*`
`14:07.03`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23540 10/tags/JostleLib/: Created folder remotely`
`14:07.13`	`sylvanaar`	`I wonder what the effect of taintint the ChatTypeInfo's is?`
`14:07.25`	`sylvanaar`	`s/taintint/tainting/`
`14:07.29`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23541 10JostleLib/: Created folder remotely`
`14:07.47`	`*** join/#wowace kovi (i=x@p5081DE21.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`14:07.56`	`sylvanaar`	`my guess is nothing`
`14:08.38`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23542 10JostleLib/JostleLib.lua: tagged`
`14:08.40`	`CIA-17`	`03nevcairiel * r23543 10Bartender3/ (Bartender3_BarClass.lua Options.lua): Bartender3: the translated modifier names are actually working now :)`
`14:08.46`	`beerke`	`string.format("cffeda55f"..text1..itemlink..text2.."\|r"), that does not work as text2 gets itemlink color`
`14:09.05`	`beerke`	`hmm i mistyped that`
`14:09.23`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23544 10JostleLib/Lib/: JostleLib: removed 1.0(tagged)`
`14:09.32`	`Iceroth`	`getting creepier every minute.. i changed to my other line, everything works just fine now :s`
`14:09.32`	`sylvanaar`	`hmm, lets see what happens if i taint the type for "You summon imp"`
`14:11.30`	`Iceroth`	`well.. besides the fact that my other line is fucked up and ping is sky high which is the reason i switched the line in the first place :-/`
`14:11.46`	`*** join/#wowace mjc (n=mjc@c-71-206-92-120.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)`
`14:11.52`	`Iceroth`	`5th day like this, 2nd day without response from the isp`
`14:12.19`	`Iceroth`	`if you happen to ever move to finland, there's an isp i can tell you to stay as far away as possible at least`
`14:12.44`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23545 10/tags/TabletLib/: Created folder remotely`
`14:13.08`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23546 10TabletLib/: Created folder remotely`
`14:13.39`	`sylvanaar`	`ok - tainting chatinfo is harmless it seems`
`14:14.12`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23547 10TabletLib/TabletLib.lua: tagged`
`14:14.42`	`Insa2`	`Testing smartres is such a pain`
`14:14.57`	`Insa2`	`Everyone in av releases too soon:(`
`14:15.00`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23548 10TabletLib/Lib/: TabletLib: removed 1.0(tagged)`
`14:15.49`	`naenae`	`still down :(`
`14:15.53`	`axxo`	`sylvanaar: sorry got distracted, you want itemid? 18230`
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`14:16.24`	`axxo`	`sylvanaar: only got prat1`
`14:16.42`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23549 10/tags/TouristLib/: Created folder remotely`
`14:16.43`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: i want the whole url`
`14:16.54`	`sylvanaar`	`itemlink i mean`
`14:17.02`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23550 10TouristLib/: Created folder remotely`
`14:17.20`	`axxo`	`this dump just gives an error`
`14:17.57`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude 071.0 * r23551 10TouristLib/TouristLib.lua: tagged`
`14:18.16`	`sylvanaar`	`i caught the pet bar getting tainted http://ace.pastey.net/4555?lang=null`
`14:18.32`	`axxo`	`acelib("acecon"):printliteral(lhitem:1823.."]:1: unexpected symbol neer 'l'`
`14:18.40`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23552 10TouristLib/Lib/: TouristLib: removed 1.0(tagged)`
`14:18.43`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: put in " "`
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`14:18.56`	`axxo`	`o`
`14:19.46`	`nevcairiel`	`what did you do to get it tainted tho?`
`14:19.47`	`axxo`	`"\|cff9d9d9d\|Hitem:18230:0:0:0:0:0:0:1763172530\|h[Broken [I.W.I.N.] Button]\|h\|r"`
`14:19.58`	`sylvanaar`	`summoned him in combat`
`14:19.59`	`mexicaan`	`can someone tell me from what addon the black gradient bottom ba ris in this SS: http://uifiles.worldofwar.net/upload/pics/2_20070105.jpg ?`
`14:20.23`	`sylvanaar`	`also, i released him in combat`
`14:20.29`	Funkeh`	`skinner`
`14:20.32`	`sylvanaar`	`via the pet frame`
`14:20.51`	Funkeh`	`@mexicaan`
`14:20.57`	`sylvanaar`	`i know whats tainting it though, its the resize action that happens`
`14:21.24`	`axxo`	`sylvanaar ^`
`14:21.29`	`Iceroth`	`battlegroundfu and honorfu both tainting stuff :-/`
`14:21.34`	`sylvanaar`	`axxo: thanks for the link`
`14:22.48`	Funkeh`	`ok thats me done with spam for a while`
`14:23.26`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`14:23.50`	`naenae`	`kicks the login server`
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`14:26.55`	`sylvanaar`	`taint is ok`
`14:27.09`	`sylvanaar`	`just not on certain things`
`14:27.12`	`nevcairiel`	`you cant be sure if a taint is ok`
`14:27.20`	`nevcairiel`	`if i run a taintmap now, it looks ok`
`14:27.23`	`nevcairiel`	`after playing some time`
`14:27.31`	`sylvanaar`	`oh please - the only way not to taint is not to use addond`
`14:27.33`	`nevcairiel`	`my MultiActionBar gets tainted`
`14:27.34`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`14:28.06`	`sylvanaar`	`the problem is the blizzard code is missing some securecalls`
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`14:29.11`	`Tornhoof`	`hmm amazon.de sell now the BC CE and they say they ship on 13th, i thought someone said they just have like 5000 boxes of the CE for germany`
`14:29.52`	`\|Kev\|`	`it doesn't matter when they ship really does it?`
`14:30.08`	`\|Kev\|`	`if the switch isn't flipped at blizz until the 16th`
`14:30.28`	`Tornhoof`	`if the servers are up at that time ;)`
`14:30.35`	`nevcairiel`	`and servers wont be working until 20th`
`14:30.35`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`14:30.41`	`Herio`	`20th?`
`14:30.46`	`Herio`	`isn't it the 17th?`
`14:30.58`	`Herio`	`err`
`14:31.00`	`Herio`	`o.O`
`14:31.02`	`Iceroth`	`well imagine the whole population trying to push through the portal`
`14:31.11`	`Iceroth`	`it's going to be wose than AQ opening`
`14:31.20`	`Herio`	`there's an opening event anyway =P`
`14:31.37`	`Herio`	`the AQ opening was retarded`
`14:31.41`	`Iceroth`	`clearfont taints just about everything :\|`
`14:31.46`	`Herio`	`i hope blizz learned from it`
`14:31.59`	`axxo`	`opening event is after its opened`
`14:31.59`	`axxo`	`:)`
`14:32.07`	`Herio`	`whwhwhwhwhwat?`
`14:32.21`	`axxo`	`you can go throught the portal the day you buy it, opening event is random while later`
`14:32.25`	`nevcairiel`	`clearfont taints all fonts`
`14:32.27`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`14:33.11`	`Herio`	`i use clearfont to make my fonts look like the indiana jones movie poster`
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`14:33.53`	`Herio`	`not really the intended purpose, seeing as it's not making it more readable, but i enjoy it`
`14:35.08`	`nevcairiel`	`looks like more people confirmed that GloryLib was actually causing the bad infight lags`
`14:35.11`	`nevcairiel`	`too bad tho`
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`14:37.18`	`break19`	`Hi guys, I am slowly, but surely, attempting to switch over most of the addons I currently use, to ACE counterparts... I've pretty much gotten everything done except a few...`
`14:37.25`	`break19`	`ct_mailmod - what`
`14:37.27`	`break19`	`oops`
`14:37.33`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r23553 10T_Tracking/ (Localization.lua T_Tracking.toc libs/): T_Tracking: fixed dewdroplib external and file formatting`
`14:37.33`	`break19`	`what's a good replacement for that`
`14:38.24`	Funkeh`	`Gmail was, i suggest if you want to replace it wait for GMail2 which will be released in the future, maybe not by that name, or just use ct`
`14:38.44`	Funkeh`	`currently GMail has been removed`
`14:38.47`	`Silviu`	`nevcairiel ping, can i pm u a mom ?`
`14:38.49`	`break19`	`kk`
`14:38.51`	`krka`	`any particular reason to simply replace all addons to addons that use the ace toolset? have you even measured which of the different addons run best?`
`14:39.34`	`break19`	`krka: because I like simplicity, and use the java updater :)`
`14:39.47`	`sylvanaar`	`wait a minute`
`14:40.08`	`Tornhoof`	`it's a .net updater`
`14:40.12`	`Tornhoof`	`c# to be specific`
`14:40.30`	`break19`	`Tornhoof: no.. its not .net - i PROMISE.. since macs cant use .net :p`
`14:40.43`	`andremar`	`yet another updater it seems :p`
`14:40.49`	`andremar`	`where is this one?`
`14:41.00`	`nevcairiel`	`there is a simple java one for macs iirc`
`14:41.08`	`break19`	`i dont remember where I found it, and nev is correct.`
`14:41.09`	`nevcairiel`	`but thats all`
`14:41.16`	Funkeh`	`yeah`
`14:41.16`	`nevcairiel`	`the .net and the java`
`14:41.17`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`14:41.21`	Funkeh`	`theres a script somewhere for macs`
`14:41.26`	`break19`	`there is also a native osx version in the forums.`
`14:41.31`	`\|Kev\|`	`there's a native java one for macs`
`14:41.33`	`\|Kev\|`	`ahem`
`14:41.34`	`\|Kev\|`	`try again`
`14:41.40`	`\|Kev\|`	`a native obj-c/cocoa one for macs`
`14:41.40`	`Silviu`	`nevcairiel check your private message pls :P`
`14:41.47`	`sylvanaar`	`yep, the first time you summon in combat you taint the frames, then the next time you try you are screwed`
`14:41.49`	`break19`	`kev is also correct :p`
`14:41.49`	`\|Kev\|`	`http://doomsong.co.uk/tmp/wau-4.png`
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`14:42.28`	`nevcairiel`	`Silviu: i didnt get any`
`14:42.42`	`break19`	`kev, however, I like the java since the mac one doesnt have quite the number of options, such as uninstalling :)`
`14:42.45`	`Silviu`	`Hmm strange`
`14:42.46`	`nickenyfiken`	`I wrote the Java update even before WAU :-P But WAU is much better if you can run it that is...`
`14:42.59`	`Silviu`	`Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )`
`14:42.59`	`\|Kev\|`	`is a screeny`
`14:43.00`	`Silviu`	`oh`
`14:43.01`	`Silviu`	`ok`
`14:43.18`	`\|Kev\|`	`break19: if you'd like some features in the mac version, why not throw a request into the issue tracker?`
`14:43.23`	`Tornhoof`	`actually break19, .net can be used on macs as well ;)`
`14:43.33`	`break19`	`Tornhoof: not this mac. lol`
`14:43.34`	`Tornhoof`	`but thats not the poitn`
`14:43.36`	`nevcairiel`	`but the updater doesnt work afaik`
`14:43.44`	`Tornhoof`	`i was refering the wau thingie`
`14:43.44`	`break19`	`its been working for me..`
`14:43.45`	`nevcairiel`	`someone said mono wasnt working for it`
`14:44.06`	`\|Kev\|`	`mono isn't .net 2`
`14:44.08`	`\|Kev\|`	`iiuc`
`14:44.11`	`Tornhoof`	`yeh`
`14:44.16`	`\|Kev\|`	`that's why I wrote the macaceupdater anyway`
`14:44.31`	`break19`	`oh, kev, its yours? heh`
`14:44.37`	`\|Kev\|`	`then I found nickenyfiken's java one and thought 'oh well, I've started so I'll finish"`
`14:44.43`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
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`14:45.05`	`\|Kev\|`	`break19: yes, I wondered how quickly I could learn objective-c and cocoa`
`14:45.07`	`Tornhoof`	`much of the 2.0 api is supported in mono 1.2`
`14:45.25`	`\|Kev\|`	`three evenings later I released macaceupdater, which says something for both obj-c and cocoa's usability`
`14:45.43`	`andremar`	`xcode is quite nice`
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`14:45.58`	`\|Kev\|`	`andremar: indeed, a bit odd in places, but quite nice :)`
`14:46.16`	`break19`	`indeed.. I could likely do something similar, myself.. I used to be quite a coder in my teens and early 20s.. but nowadays just simply don't have time..`
`14:46.20`	`andremar`	`I started a cocoa-gui for my own (yes, yet another one :p) wow-addons-updater (not ace only, although, only ace works for now :p)`
`14:46.42`	`\|Kev\|`	`anyway, I'd like to make MAU quite good, if only for myself, so if you think of features you'd like, pop them in http://code.google.com/p/macaceupdater/issues/list and I'll look at it`
`14:46.57`	`sylvanaar`	`man i hate blizzard`
`14:47.04`	`\|Kev\|`	`I must admit Growl notifs when installation completes wasn't a killer feature, but it's quite fun ;)`
`14:47.23`	`break19`	`andremar, I've toyed with the idea of writing a bash script to update my auctioneer/gatherer to the lastest development releases :p`
`14:47.28`	`break19`	`kev, will do`
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`14:48.14`	`\|Kev\|`	`ta`
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`14:49.07`	`naenae`	`should be easy break19, create a cronjob to have to check periodically and just replace the existing files or remove the old dirs before you extract`
`14:50.25`	`kagaro`	`is there any way to fid out what direction your facing in terms of a compas?`
`14:51.06`	`nevcairiel`	`look how the minimap arrow is positioned?`
`14:51.35`	`axxo`	`i'd love a mob that rotates the minimap, so you always face up`
`14:51.37`	`break19`	`naenae: I know, i used to do something similar with my linux kernel back when I was a nixhead.`
`14:51.39`	`axxo`	`*mod`
`14:51.48`	`naenae`	`:)`
`14:52.20`	`break19`	`kev: for some reason it only let me select defect - not feature request.. so...`
`14:52.24`	`naenae`	`I enjoyed linux, but as I never managed to get WoW to run with comparable performance to windows.. :\|`
`14:52.27`	`\|Kev\|`	`already fixed :)`
`14:52.31`	`kagaro`	`minimap lets you change the arrow model, and player model but doesnt let you set direction`
`14:52.57`	`break19`	`kk I see that now :p`
`14:52.58`	`\|Kev\|`	`also, it should be relatively easy to add other addon types, such as gatherer and auctioneer :)`
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`14:53.47`	`\|Kev\|`	`it's reasonably nicely OO, so I could just provide different implementations of the Plugin class, and each Plugin represents a mod, with (potentially) its own method of checking versions, and installing :)`
`14:54.19`	`break19`	`yea, should be, but I'm an efficiency kinda guy... I'd rather see it stay ace only.. simplicity and efficiency`
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`14:54.56`	`\|Kev\|`	`the problem with auctioneer is knowing which version to scrape out of the html`
`14:54.57`	`break19`	`as far as updating auctioneer/gatherer goes, I can do that myself quite easily.. and one of these days, I'll write a script for it.`
`14:55.16`	`\|Kev\|`	`I guess I could scrape three different mods, auctioneer beta, auctioneer alpha and auctioneer release`
`14:55.24`	`sbu`	`Kodewulf! :) wtb vendor title in cartographer note :o ("general tradegoods", ...)`
`14:55.28`	`krka`	`efficiency varies per addon, addons that use ace libraries are automatically better`
`14:55.34`	`krka`	`err`
`14:55.37`	`krka`	`*are not`
`14:55.54`	`\|Kev\|`	`krka: we're not talking about addons, we're talking about the macaceupdater ;)`
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`14:56.08`	`kagaro`	`hey kodewulf, are you going to add any default quest locations?`
`14:56.20`	`break19`	`krka: maybe, but how will I know which is better until I try the alternatives, hm? :P`
`14:56.35`	`Tornhoof`	`hmmm is there any good hook all events, print fired addons?`
`14:56.38`	`andremar`	`break19: hehe :p`
`14:56.46`	`naenae`	`does the Please Return Login Server dance`
`14:56.48`	`CIA-17`	`03dafire * r23554 10TuiRaidTracker/Libs/: TuiRaidTracker - Setting libraries and externals (Automated commit by InBed)`
`14:56.54`	`andremar`	`break19: my plan was/is to write an extensible framework for updating from different sites`
`14:56.58`	`krka`	`not arguing against testing a lot of addons`
`14:57.00`	`Kodewulf`	`sbu: i've got basic vendor types in there, still working on an efficient way to add more precise data... :)`
`14:57.02`	`krka`	`in fact, i recommend it`
`14:57.15`	`sbu`	`Kodewulf: :)`
`14:57.22`	`andremar`	`break19: where each backend implements a common interface that the framework then uses`
`14:57.24`	`break19`	`krka: in fact, I have found several that I prefer non-ace addons...`
`14:57.32`	`sbu`	`InstanceLoot like display would consume too much mem i guess ;)`
`14:57.45`	`sbu`	`aka "all stuff this vendor sells"`
`14:57.50`	`andremar`	`and then one can have different GUI's that just use the framework, and then every backend works etc`
`14:57.54`	`andremar`	`or that is the pan`
`14:57.56`	`andremar`	`plan`
`14:58.02`	`Kodewulf`	`kagaro: i don't have a big database of quest giver locations yet, but i can include the once i have as i go along... :)`
`14:58.11`	`break19`	`andremar: sounds.. complicated lol`
`14:58.42`	`Adirelle`	`break19: with a good oo model it shouldn't`
`14:58.45`	`break19`	`krka: granted, I could likely count the non-ace addons I use on one hand.. but still, there are some.`
`14:58.51`	`andremar`	`break19: not really :p most of the framework works, but the interface needs adjusting for working in different frontend enviroments`
`14:58.51`	`kagaro`	`kodewulf: ill have the fishing module add "quest" notes for the fishing quests and pat nagle`
`14:59.03`	`Adirelle`	`andremar : java ?`
`14:59.08`	`Kodewulf`	`kagaro: sites like thottbot, allakhazam, etc... don't make it easy to access their data, and i'm don't feel comfortable leeching the data... :)`
`14:59.39`	`groll`	`Tornhoof u alive?`
`14:59.45`	`andremar`	`Adirelle: perl :)`
`14:59.54`	`Tornhoof`	`yes`
`15:00.02`	`Kodewulf`	`kagaro: thank you. also you could email me a SV file at kodewulf@gmail.com then i can start building a default dataset...`
`15:00.02`	`break19`	`heh`
`15:00.03`	`Adirelle`	`andremar : which GUI ?`
`15:00.08`	`Adirelle`	`(if any)`
`15:00.13`	`\|Kev\|`	`I wrote something in PERL once`
`15:00.18`	`\|Kev\|`	`/once/`
`15:00.18`	`break19`	`kev: heh`
`15:00.22`	`andremar`	`Adirelle: well, I started a cocoa, but the only functional one is the command line "gui"`
`15:00.31`	`groll`	`Tornhoof have you looked at all at call of elements for ideeas and such for yata?`
`15:00.40`	`andremar`	`Adirelle: plans included GTK2`
`15:00.40`	`kagaro`	`kodewul: ill do that, i know where they are all at so ill add them to my own map tonight and send you the locations`
`15:00.44`	`break19`	`CLI = win`
`15:00.45`	`Adirelle`	`andremar : please forgive my noobiness, but what is cocoa ?`
`15:00.54`	`\|Kev\|`	`cocoa's the native drawing framework on osx`
`15:00.58`	`andremar`	`Adirelle: a gui toolkit for os x`
`15:00.59`	`Adirelle`	`oki`
`15:01.03`	`sylvanaar`	`well, its not prats core`
`15:01.04`	`\|Kev\|`	`well, it's more than that, but it includes it :)`
`15:01.10`	`break19`	`Adirelle: yes, they type faster than me :p`
`15:01.14`	`break19`	`I was typing that too`
`15:01.27`	`CIA-17`	`03nirek * r23555 10Nvp/Nvp.lua: Nvp: fix ally warlock epics`
`15:01.34`	`Tornhoof`	`i know the coe code but it's a.) messy and b.) crowded with weird features`
`15:02.56`	`groll`	`Tornhoof yes i agree on that aswell, but what i think is good is the way he has implemented the way to config the totems and such, then how the code is etc i got no clue about :P ur lil green and red box is not so good way of doign it if u ask me ;P it works but just clicking the button on totem x would be better etc :P`
`15:03.06`	`break19`	`oh, here's a quick question: If I'm using the Standalone libs, are the libs directorys inside the addon's folder simply redundant, and if so, are they then ignored?`
`15:03.09`	`Adirelle`	`andremar : btw I dunno which addon site supports "bot access" for upgrading`
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`15:03.32`	`Tornhoof`	`groll that does not work properly`
`15:03.34`	`Tornhoof`	`basically`
`15:03.56`	`Tornhoof`	`since you can't easily enable/disable casting with those secureaction buttons`
`15:04.04`	`Adirelle`	`andremar : worldofwar and curse-gaming have ads iirc`
`15:04.05`	`groll`	`i dunno if it possible to do it the coe way though now since the changes blizz made. i dont know how to code but i know what i want :P`
`15:04.30`	`Tornhoof`	`i certainly won't add some ui for changing totems`
`15:04.34`	`Tornhoof`	`if that is what oyu want`
`15:05.00`	`Adirelle`	`andremar : nvm, I've got a memory failure`
`15:05.34`	`break19`	`Tornhoof: was that "basically" directed towards me?`
`15:05.46`	`andremar`	`Adirelle: well, it would be based on screen scraping for those sites I guess`
`15:05.51`	`groll`	`naw not really that i'm askign for, i could do it by slashcommands if that was the case, but i want the same functions that are in coe ie the stomper to work the same way and the same kind of possiblities to how to config the totems and such, then how one has to config them is another thing`
`15:06.36`	`groll`	`yay for crap spelling :P`
`15:06.47`	`Adirelle`	`andremar : would be quite inefficient, unless using "favorite" features`
`15:07.09`	`break19`	`\|Kev\|: oh, hey.. have you given the app a non-default icon yet? :P`
`15:07.26`	`\|Kev\|`	`break19: nope :(`
`15:07.33`	`\|Kev\|`	`I am not a graphic designer`
`15:07.37`	`break19`	`heh`
`15:07.42`	`\|Kev\|`	`if you are...`
`15:07.54`	`break19`	`lol - I'm just a dumb ole truck driver.. heh`
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`15:08.09`	`\|Kev\|`	`I always have to beg other people for icons for my other project too`
`15:08.51`	`Tornhoof`	`if you want the same functions groll, go use coe`
`15:09.02`	`Tornhoof`	`it is a nice addon`
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`15:09.22`	`andremar`	`Adirelle: unless the sites have unique urls pr addon, it would be hard yes`
`15:09.25`	`groll`	`Tornhoof i think u missunderstand me a bit :P but nevermind.. and coe is kinda fubar at the moment :P`
`15:10.10`	`Tornhoof`	`as for the totemstomper`
`15:10.13`	`Tornhoof`	`it's just a macro`
`15:10.21`	`Tornhoof`	`it won't ever be more`
`15:10.34`	`Tornhoof`	`there will be probably some minor config stuff for that macro`
`15:10.37`	`Tornhoof`	`but that's it`
`15:10.58`	`groll`	`well that's about it what i need kinda.. more or less atleast`
`15:11.18`	`break19`	`damn shamans :p`
`15:11.38`	`groll`	`shamans ftw! :D`
`15:11.43`	`break19`	`bah`
`15:11.45`	`Nabucco`	`Is there an info page on the exact loading process of ace2 librarys? When you have multiple ace2 addons and you login, are all the used librarys loaded into RAM multiple times? and then the GC removes duplicates and every addon uses the same instance of a library?`
`15:11.56`	`[dRaCo]`	`groll: #2`
`15:11.57`	`break19`	`bubblepally ftw :p`
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`15:12.19`	`Tornhoof`	`as for now, you can easily reset the castsequence with shift`
`15:12.26`	`groll`	`bubblepally sucks :P`
`15:12.28`	`[dRaCo]`	`uh. go and stun someone else ^^`
`15:12.33`	`break19`	`heh`
`15:12.46`	`groll`	`haha`
`15:13.11`	`break19`	`actually.. i havent played my pal since june. :p`
`15:13.11`	`Adirelle`	`nabucco : only one instance (the freshest one) of each library is used by all addons`
`15:13.12`	`[dRaCo]`	`I like the way the pally feels when he throws his stun hammer into my grounding totem :D`
`15:13.19`	`groll`	`and yep i know Tornhoof :D it's slightly buggy at the moment though but i'll provide the bugs i find :D`
`15:13.21`	`Matrix110`	`But they get loaded at start as he said it`
`15:13.21`	`break19`	`new main is a iwin button.. errrr hunter.`
`15:13.30`	`[dRaCo]`	`he's prolly like "d'oh!"`
`15:13.33`	`Adirelle`	`nabucco : and a library won't load into memory if a fresher one is already wokring`
`15:13.33`	`KaeltenAway`	`leaving. will be back this afternoon, gotta pack and then drive for a few hours.`
`15:13.47`	`Nabucco`	`ah... ok thx`
`15:13.47`	`Matrix110`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2_Memory_Concerns`
`15:14.01`	`sylvanaar`	`source of pet action bar taint /cry http://ace.pastey.net/4557`
`15:14.03`	`Nabucco`	`thx adirelle & matrix110`
`15:15.00`	`Grine`	`[dRaCo], nothing like wasting a 5 min CD and a reagent on "Earthbind Totem is immune to your blind."`
`15:15.37`	`naenae`	`Is anyone here a hunter? I have an off-topic question. How/where do I learn 'Kill Command'?`
`15:15.55`	`break19`	`naenae: talent in beastmastery iirc`
`15:16.09`	`break19`	`dunno for sure since I'm a marksman`
`15:16.11`	`snurre-`	`Grine: usinga 30min cooldown on You are afflicted by Polymorph is far worse :p`
`15:16.14`	`naenae`	`Hm`
`15:16.19`	`naenae`	`I don't see it in that tree though`
`15:16.22`	`Grine`	`snurre-, hmm? ;)`
`15:16.24`	`naenae`	`I don't see it anywhere`
`15:16.35`	`snurre-`	`naenae: it's not a talent, but a learned ability at 64`
`15:16.47`	`break19`	`ohhh ok`
`15:16.50`	`naenae`	`Ah okay :)`
`15:16.51`	`naenae`	`Thanks`
`15:16.58`	`Stephmw`	`Grine: don't start me on spells failing due to immunity.... bubbleboys take the piss`
`15:17.23`	`snurre-`	`Grine: You gain Recklessness. You are afflicted by Polymorph. Recklessness fades from you. You die.`
`15:18.20`	`Grine`	`I'm mostly pissed at the fact that I can even try to cast blindo n a fucking totem ^`
`15:18.24`	`Grine`	`^^`
`15:18.42`	`Stephmw`	`haha, yeah`
`15:18.45`	`naenae`	`I wish I could login :(`
`15:18.52`	`Stephmw`	`I wish my spells would fail to cast if my target was immune`
`15:18.52`	`pahvir`	`same :I`
`15:19.05`	`break19`	`what irrates me is, my multi-shot ignores totems..`
`15:19.16`	`Matrix110`	`Arcane Explosion aswell`
`15:19.22`	`Matrix110`	`which is quite unlogical!`
`15:19.27`	`Srosh_`	`any AoE does`
`15:19.30`	`snurre-`	`'sif multishot isnt good enough as it is`
`15:19.36`	`sylvanaar`	`its actually this: http://ace.pastey.net/4558`
`15:19.38`	`Srosh_`	`otherwise Totems would be totally useless`
`15:19.39`	`Stephmw`	`:D`
`15:19.46`	`Matrix110`	`Totems SHOULD be useless`
`15:19.48`	`Matrix110`	`!`
`15:19.56`	`break19`	`heh`
`15:20.02`	`Srosh_`	`just wait, Alliance gets totems too :p`
`15:20.16`	`Matrix110`	`Not me though:P`
`15:20.22`	`Srosh_`	`hehe`
`15:20.32`	`Stephmw`	`almost time to reroll ;)`
`15:20.52`	`sylvanaar`	`tainting of PETACTIONBAR_XPOS`
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`15:21.11`	`break19`	`heh.. thank god the horde are getting blood elves.. now I might be able to talk the wife into going horde lol`
`15:21.53`	`JoshBork1`	`psp`
`15:21.59`	`Adirelle`	`btw, snakes of snake trap are not immune to AoE...`
`15:22.00`	`Stephmw`	`I wouldn't bother - with TBC the hordes of kids will roll Horde :(`
`15:23.15`	`break19`	`hm.. cartographer or alphamap.....`
`15:23.24`	`Adirelle`	`carto`
`15:23.34`	`Matrix110`	`depends what you want!`
`15:23.48`	`Amadeo`	`Snake Trap, that still cracks me up`
`15:23.52`	`Amadeo`	`What does it look like in game?`
`15:23.56`	`Adirelle`	`it offers same functionnality as alphamap plus instanceloot and gathering notes with modules`
`15:24.00`	`Fisker-`	`lhmm`
`15:24.10`	`Matrix110`	`Carthographer replaces: Atlas/Atlast Loot/Gatherer and other addons with other plugins`
`15:24.12`	`Fisker-`	`why does blizzard have to suck? :(`
`15:24.18`	`Matrix110`	`and has a nice Map features`
`15:24.23`	`snurre-`	`cartographer is just far superior to any other map addons`
`15:24.27`	`break19`	`matrix, adirelle, well, I use atlasloot and atlasquest as well..`
`15:24.35`	`Matrix110`	`then Carthographer:P`
`15:24.55`	`break19`	`and I like my gatherer, because the new version shares across guild :p`
`15:25.00`	`Adirelle`	`dunno about atlasquest, but it surely replaces atlasloot`
`15:25.24`	`snurre-`	`Fisker-: well, they can't such that much, considering they made a game that gets you thinking that way just cause you cant log in (i guess) :p`
`15:25.24`	`naenae`	`I like the interface of atlas and atlas loot though, I prefer it to that of Cartographer`
`15:25.25`	`Adirelle`	`break19 : carto does share too (with module) and can also import from gatherer`
`15:25.28`	`Matrix110`	`sometime ago since i used Atlas but atlas used like 6MB back then Carthographer uses 600kb (no gathering profession so no notes here)`
`15:25.36`	`Fisker-`	`snurre- nah not that`
`15:25.39`	`Fisker-`	`the forums are just down`
`15:25.45`	`Fisker-`	`oh and btw`
`15:25.47`	`Fisker-`	`you were right`
`15:25.50`	`snurre-`	`ah yeah.. the website sucks`
`15:25.52`	`Fisker-`	`Pedobear was against the rules`
`15:25.59`	`snurre-`	`yes it was. very much so :p`
`15:26.13`	`Amadeo`	`Pedometer is against the rules!`
`15:26.36`	`Matrix110`	`is there a way to find out what damn Addon keeps assiging a Key to a action?`
`15:26.46`	`break19`	`Adirelle: is it possible (and simple) to use both cartographer and gatherer? as I dont want to change out my gatherer at this time...`
`15:26.52`	`snurre-`	`anything including any kind of similarity to pedophilia is illegal`
`15:26.53`	`kagaro`	`ill try to have a semi working fishing module done tonight to track fishing nodes`
`15:26.54`	`Matrix110`	`Key is not bound in keybindings menu`
`15:27.14`	`Adirelle`	`break19: i don't know, i dumped out gatherer (and its database) at 2.0`
`15:27.20`	`CIA-17`	`03dafire * r23556 10TuiRaidTracker/TuiRaidTracker.toc: TuiRaidTracker: toc update`
`15:27.39`	`Adirelle`	`i guess you might try, but i think carto won't show gatherer not on worldmap`
`15:27.43`	`Fisker-`	`but hey`
`15:27.49`	`Adirelle`	`s/not/notes/`
`15:27.52`	`CIA-17`	`03dafire * r23557 10TuiRaidTracker/TuiRaidTracker.toc: TuiRaidTracker - Setting libraries and externals (Automated commit by InBed)`
`15:27.57`	`Fisker-`	`The funniest thing was that guy on localdefense`
`15:28.14`	`Fisker-`	`[3. LocalDefense] <Praxxhunter>: OMFG I GET TO FUCK MY DAUGHTER!`
`15:28.22`	`Fisker-`	`I reported him and added him to friends`
`15:28.28`	`Fisker-`	`then a couple of hours later "he logged off"`
`15:28.36`	`Fisker-`	`and then it say "Your ticket will be served soon"`
`15:28.40`	`Fisker-`	`haven't seen him since`
`15:29.40`	`CIA-17`	`03dafire * r23558 10TuiRaidTracker/TuiRaidTracker.toc: TuiRaidTracker: updated optional dependencies`
`15:30.20`	`Matrix110`	`someone should port CT_expensehistory to a more memory saving mod btw!`
`15:30.32`	`Amadeo`	`Is CES going on right now?`
`15:30.38`	`snurre-`	`addons that track total spendings and playtime should be banned!`
`15:30.43`	`nickenyfiken`	`Matrix110: AuditorFu is nice`
`15:30.47`	`break19`	`Matrix110: auditorfu`
`15:30.49`	`break19`	`dammit`
`15:30.50`	`Matrix110`	`oh`
`15:30.51`	`break19`	`heh`
`15:30.53`	`Matrix110`	`gotta test it`
`15:30.54`	`nickenyfiken`	`^`
`15:31.05`	`Fisker-`	`where is it?`
`15:31.08`	`Matrix110`	`because after sending 10k+ mails it uses quite alot memory`
`15:31.15`	`sbu`	`dafire: hmm - eqdkp import possible? :)`
`15:31.21`	`sbu`	`(or planned)`
`15:31.32`	`Matrix110`	`CES starts 8. Jan`
`15:31.34`	`nickenyfiken`	`damn im coding C++ in Linux and it was like a year ago... had to check a guide to write a makefile :-/`
`15:31.45`	`naenae`	`:)`
`15:32.01`	`Fisker-`	`pretty usual`
`15:32.07`	`nickenyfiken`	`i need alot of coffee now`
`15:32.10`	`\|Kev\|`	`nickenyfiken: I don't write Makefiles anymore, I just use qmake to generate them`
`15:32.14`	`Fisker-`	`If you don't code atleast once a week it'll be forgotten quick`
`15:32.19`	`Amadeo`	`Matrix110: Thanks :)`
`15:32.21`	`break19`	`kev: preach on`
`15:32.33`	`\|Kev\|`	`I wasn't preaching :(`
`15:32.54`	`nickenyfiken`	`\|Kev\|: oh i didnt realize i had such a tool :-) have to try it`
`15:33.08`	`nickenyfiken`	`but but... i just wrote such a nice makefile :-(`
`15:33.13`	`Matrix110`	`auditorFu not @ /files i guess wowi?`
`15:33.18`	`Fisker-`	`so auditorfu was where?`
`15:33.23`	`\|Kev\|`	`It's part of Qt, but most distros will have that these days, because of KDE, and it saves such hassle`
`15:33.25`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`15:33.46`	`Fisker-`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5429-FuBar-AuditorFu.html`
`15:33.57`	`Amadeo`	`Cowon A3 was announced, I'm excited :D`
`15:34.36`	`\|Kev\|`	`nickenyfiken: http://svn.psi-im.org/filedetails.php?repname=Psi&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fsrc%2Ftools%2Fmac_dock%2Fdocktest.pro for example`
`15:34.44`	`Matrix110`	`oh does AuditorFu display money in FuBar aswell? it could replace MoneyFu then`
`15:34.53`	`nickenyfiken`	`ah yeah running Kubuntu now and is happy with it... so easy to install and i don't have time to tinker with stupid linux distros these days`
`15:35.05`	`nickenyfiken`	`\|Kev\|: thanks`
`15:35.08`	`*** join/#wowace doktoreas (n=geko@host49-139.pool8248.interbusiness.it)`
`15:35.09`	`dafire`	`sbu perhaps later`
`15:35.12`	`*** join/#wowace Deviad (n=Deviad@81-208-83-249.fastres.net)`
`15:35.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`I see dewdrop got tagged`
`15:35.20`	`Deviad`	`Hello`
`15:35.36`	`\|Kev\|`	`when I run linux these days, I use ubuntu these days, because I prefer Gname to KDE, but the Ubuntuness is nice`
`15:35.43`	`Deviad`	`Does anyone know why the pet frames of party players do not work in aguf?`
`15:35.48`	`mexicaan`	`fucking login server`
`15:36.05`	`Deviad`	`I can't do let them work`
`15:36.07`	`Matrix110`	`mexicaan i agree cant login aswell:-(`
`15:36.09`	`nickenyfiken`	`Deviad: because... but you can try /aguf pettest`
`15:36.11`	`Iceroth`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3949.new#new <-- taint results`
`15:36.11`	`break19`	`mexicaan: careful, you could get gonorhea from fucking the login server.`
`15:36.29`	`dafire`	`i used gentoo for long time .. but now I use ubuntu too ,9`
`15:36.51`	`nickenyfiken`	`i think i like KDE better`
`15:36.59`	`nickenyfiken`	`but it was a while since i ran Gnome`
`15:37.00`	`break19`	`blasphemy!`
`15:37.16`	`Deviad`	`thx it works now`
`15:39.46`	`Amadeo`	`The more I read about KDE vs Gnome arguments, the more I feel people are siding with KDE`
`15:40.21`	`\|Kev\|`	`I'm not interested in a flamewar, but I think they appeal to different users`
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`15:40.40`	`\|Kev\|`	`I think KDE appeals to the people who have always been susceptible to running Linuk`
`15:40.43`	`Fisker-`	`I used to like gnome more than kde`
`15:40.43`	`\|Kev\|`	`s/k/x/`
`15:40.48`	`Fisker-`	`but it's years since i last used linux :P`
`15:41.12`	`\|Kev\|`	`while I feel Gnome (these days) is aiming for the other people, the windows users, the mac users, etc`
`15:41.18`	`Amadeo`	`I dunno Kev, I was messing with live CDs and I felt like Gnome was more comfortable for me...I'm not a Linux user`
`15:41.23`	`\|Kev\|`	`and I think it does very well at that`
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`15:41.40`	`\|Kev\|`	`isn't that what I said?`
`15:41.40`	`Amadeo`	`KDE seems cluttered and unorganized to me`
`15:41.44`	`Tornhoof`	`elkano ping`
`15:41.48`	`Amadeo`	`Oh I read it backwards, haha`
`15:42.07`	`\|Kev\|`	`long-time users cry about the loss of features in recent Gnome`
`15:42.15`	`Amadeo`	`but everywhere I read, people say KDE is more "Windows-like", I just don't feel it is`
`15:42.15`	`\|Kev\|`	`but I rather like the 'it just works'`
`15:42.21`	`break19`	`ugh`
`15:42.22`	`nickenyfiken`	`i like many programs coming with Kubuntu... like Konversation, Kopete etc. Although i prefer Firefox over Konqueror`
`15:42.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`I have a question for the channel`
`15:42.36`	`nickenyfiken`	`and Amarok`
`15:42.38`	`\|Kev\|`	`<pleasedon'tflameme>KDE is more windows-like, it's more unstable and less usable</>`
`15:42.50`	`nickenyfiken`	`lol`
`15:42.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`what would you think the mod named "Grouper" does?`
`15:43.09`	`Amadeo`	`haha, I'm hearing that it's pretty stable now days`
`15:43.21`	`Matrix110`	`If i didnt know it i would say it could be a Raid Organizing addon!`
`15:43.36`	`\|Kev\|`	`Amadeo: it is, but Qt4's hit them quite hard`
`15:43.48`	`break19`	`just installed cartographer and all the available modules (at wowace.com/files and it seems fishing buddy has issues.. http://ace.pastey.net/4559`
`15:43.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`strike 1, anyone else... what would a mod named "Grouper" do?`
`15:43.49`	`\|Kev\|`	`it hit Psi quite hard, and Psi's a much smaller project`
`15:43.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`(if you know shh)`
`15:44.02`	`break19`	`KarlThePagan: its a fishing addon?`
`15:44.03`	`\|Kev\|`	`KarlThePagan: re-organise an inventory`
`15:44.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`thx lol...`
`15:44.12`	`Elkano`	`pong?`
`15:44.13`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`15:44.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`now "GrouperLFG" ... a bit more obvious`
`15:44.23`	`nevcairiel`	`i know what it does, so i prolly shouldnt say anything`
`15:44.24`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`15:44.32`	`break19`	`heh`
`15:44.37`	`\|Kev\|`	`I don't`
`15:44.41`	`\|Kev\|`	`do we get an answer?`
`15:44.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`it's a LFG UI replacement`
`15:44.50`	`nevcairiel`	`it rapes the LFG system`
`15:44.51`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`15:44.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`yes`
`15:45.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`pretty much does that`
`15:45.10`	`nevcairiel`	`did you get all your bugs sorted out?`
`15:45.12`	`Tornhoof`	`elkano am i supposed to get a protected cancelplayerbuff() error msg while clicking on my sentry totem buff in your ebb?`
`15:45.18`	`KarlThePagan`	`i'm torn between the cutesy name and the obvious name`
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`15:45.27`	`nickenyfiken`	`KarlThePagan: why not LFGFu?`
`15:45.39`	`TheKarn`	`LFu`
`15:45.42`	`TheKarn`	`looking for you`
`15:45.45`	`KarlThePagan`	`nev - nope the words dewdrop and "totally fucked" came out of ck's keyboard in the same line`
`15:45.46`	`TheKarn`	`LFG Fu`
`15:45.46`	`Elkano`	`yes, since it's a Blizzard bug... but seems to be working on TBC beta realm`
`15:45.48`	`nickenyfiken`	`good one`
`15:45.59`	`Elkano`	`so will most likely work with 2.0.3`
`15:46.02`	`Grine`	`ah I knew there was another Fubar durability addon :)`
`15:46.04`	`Tornhoof`	`okidokey`
`15:46.15`	`nevcairiel`	`duratek ftw`
`15:46.20`	ag`	`Why does CBRipoff have Ace2 in Depencies?`
`15:46.27`	ag`	`that's stupid`
`15:46.38`	`nickenyfiken`	ag`: yes it is i removed it and its working fine
`15:46.44`	`Fisker-`	`because it's a drycode?`
`15:46.44`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r23559 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua:`
`15:46.44`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer:`
`15:46.44`	`CIA-17`	`- Notes.lua: updated deDE locals`
`15:46.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh opt deps plx`
`15:46.53`	`nevcairiel`	`just fix it in svn`
`15:47.00`	ag`	`I think I will`
`15:47.13`	`nevcairiel`	`vhaarr said we can commit to it, if we do not screw it up or do anything silly :P`
`15:47.45`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh but nev I did make workaround menus until passing groups are reimplemented ;)`
`15:47.56`	`break19`	`hey elkano, your bars remind me of something.... :p`
`15:48.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`so I'll make my release window at least ;)`
`15:48.13`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23560 10CBRipoff/CBRipoff.toc:`
`15:48.13`	`CIA-17`	`CBRipoff`
`15:48.14`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:48.16`	`nevcairiel`	`someone should really write a simple library for automated UI generation`
`15:48.20`	`nevcairiel`	`and NOT Dewdrop UI :P`
`15:48.38`	`Matrix110`	`Dewdrop is nice`
`15:48.39`	`Matrix110`	`!`
`15:48.46`	`nevcairiel`	`not for larger menus`
`15:48.50`	`nevcairiel`	`or complex tasks`
`15:48.52`	`Matrix110`	`Well ok good point`
`15:49.00`	`Antiarc`	`Eh. I don't think it's that bad once you learn it.`
`15:49.04`	`Antiarc`	`Learning curve is a bit steep though.`
`15:49.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`but ace is designed to work with ace options tables... so we're talking the same format`
`15:49.13`	`Matrix110`	`good example for Dewdrop coming to its limits is grid^^`
`15:49.13`	ag`	`brb`
`15:49.42`	`sbu`	`hmyah, automated config ui generation with table (same as dewdrop) data!?`
`15:49.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`like a AceOptionsTable -> Kaos (or Kaos ripoff) type thing might be interesting`
`15:50.02`	`Matrix110`	`Khaos isnt that the Cosmos thingy?`
`15:50.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`yes it is ;)`
`15:50.18`	`nevcairiel`	`ConfigRipOff`
`15:50.24`	`Dekuna`	`lol`
`15:50.26`	`nevcairiel`	`goes next to CBRipOff`
`15:50.29`	`sbu`	`just another display method for same data-stuff :p`
`15:50.30`	`Matrix110`	`i remember Cosmos from ClosedBeta when there was like nothing else besides it^^`
`15:50.34`	`break19`	`uhm, isnt that was deucecommander is supposed to do?`
`15:50.42`	`KarlThePagan`	`enable/disable stuff`
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`15:50.50`	`Matrix110`	`Deucommander makes Dewdrop menus for /commands`
`15:50.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`and it is basically the chat command tables put into .. yea what matrix said`
`15:50.58`	`Antiarc`	`I love DeuceCommander.`
`15:51.23`	`break19`	`i dont.. i dont have enough screen realestate for all the stuff I wanna use lol`
`15:51.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`15:51.42`	`nevcairiel`	`get a bigger screen`
`15:51.42`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`15:51.49`	`nevcairiel`	`or, lower uiscale`
`15:51.50`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`15:51.53`	`Antiarc`	`24" widescreen at 1920x1200 FTW.`
`15:52.11`	`kagaro`	`anyone here on a german client ?`
`15:52.11`	`Elkano`	`break19, they do?`
`15:52.14`	`Dekuna`	`i <3 my 1680x1050`
`15:52.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`low ui scale and bad range elements in the option table don't mix`
`15:52.27`	`\|Kev\|`	`Dekuna: imac 20"?`
`15:52.30`	`break19`	`nevcairiel: its hard to get a bigger screen... I dont have the right kinda tools. :p`
`15:52.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`me2`
`15:52.41`	`Dekuna`	`Kev: nope, alienware`
`15:52.42`	`*** join/#wowace SeRaPhiCa (n=Wja3@196.218.242.174)`
`15:52.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`1440x900`
`15:52.45`	`\|Kev\|`	`ah`
`15:52.52`	`nevcairiel`	`you dont have a vga output on your laptop?`
`15:52.54`	`[dRaCo]`	`kagaro: I could start a german client... if blizz didn't screw our loginserver, that is`
`15:52.55`	`break19`	`1024x768 ibook g4`
`15:52.59`	`\|Kev\|`	`I like my 20" imac, but for some reason, playing wow on it doesn't feel right`
`15:53.03`	`break19`	`nevcairiel: yea.. but why bother`
`15:53.05`	`Dekuna`	`haha`
`15:53.11`	`kagaro`	`dRaCo: you got cartographer installed?`
`15:53.18`	`[dRaCo]`	`nope`
`15:53.37`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`Hi all`
`15:54.07`	`kagaro`	`seems there is a bug with the map when running on a german client, trying to see where its failing. I think the translastions are messed up and tourist isnt finding the zone`
`15:54.17`	`Matrix110`	`please use the engl. client`
`15:54.25`	`Matrix110`	`cant believe that people use the german client`
`15:54.29`	`Matrix110`	`"eisenschmiede"`
`15:54.30`	`Matrix110`	`omg`
`15:54.33`	`nevcairiel`	`haha`
`15:54.33`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin 07v2.0 * r23561 10DKPmon/ (3 files in 3 dirs): DKPmon: v2.0 - Added some drycoded optimizations.`
`15:54.33`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah`
`15:54.39`	`nevcairiel`	`i installed the german client last week`
`15:54.46`	`nevcairiel`	`so that i can install my german BC`
`15:54.48`	`Matrix110`	`i would puke if i would use it and iam german and got normally nothing against mot localisations`
`15:54.54`	`[dRaCo]`	`I am using the englisch client :D`
`15:54.58`	`nevcairiel`	`but got a language pack handy :P`
`15:54.58`	`sylvanaar`	`is there a way to get a copy of a table without tainting it?`
`15:55.02`	`kagaro`	`matrix110: rofl`
`15:55.10`	`nevcairiel`	`sylvanaar: accessing it doesnt taint`
`15:55.12`	`nevcairiel`	`only chaning`
`15:55.17`	`nevcairiel`	`*changing`
`15:55.22`	`Ordog`	`tracert eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com end up timing out somewhere in the telia net ...`
`15:55.28`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`can i ask if there's ace compilation Ui that i can downlowad? an updated one, mine still has errors`
`15:55.31`	`Matrix110`	`ofc Ordog`
`15:55.34`	`sylvanaar`	`nevcairiel: i thought otherwise, ok`
`15:55.59`	`Ordog`	`ofc ? shouldnt it resolve it ? ^^`
`15:56.10`	`Matrix110`	`which server are you playing on?`
`15:56.15`	`break19`	`does cartographer have a "compact" mode ala alphamap?`
`15:56.19`	`\|Kev\|`	`SeRaPhiCa: if you have an ace compilation ui, why not run wowaceupdater, the java aceupdater, or macaceupdater to bring the addons up to date?`
`15:56.20`	`Ordog`	`destromath`
`15:56.26`	`Ordog`	`but i cant logon`
`15:56.30`	`Matrix110`	`hmm weird`
`15:56.39`	`Matrix110`	`normally only Battlegroup 8 is not connectable atm`
`15:56.45`	`Iceroth`	`i can login if i use my local isp connection but not if i'm on my campus network`
`15:56.46`	`kagaro`	`well if any of you with a german client could add a line to your local cat notes installtion to print your zone after translation around line 2881 in Felwood that would help figure out where its borked up`
`15:56.49`	`Ordog`	`well they can logon right?=`
`15:57.07`	`Ordog`	`and see their servers are down or sth`
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`15:57.11`	`Matrix110`	`yes`
`15:57.18`	`[dRaCo]`	`as soon as the servers are back I can try to, kagaro`
`15:57.20`	`Matrix110`	`oh you cant even connect`
`15:57.29`	`kagaro`	`dRaCo : thanks`
`15:57.35`	`Iceroth`	`nop, login won't accept connection`
`15:57.37`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`\|Kev\| maybe cus i dunno how :) i downloaded mine from curse-gaming, dunno if there's one on wowace. how can i do the thing you just said?`
`15:57.38`	`Matrix110`	`i got that sometimes aswell but only after my game crashed Ordog`
`15:57.39`	`Iceroth`	`"unable to connect"`
`15:58.02`	`Ordog`	`ye when i do a tracert on the eu logon server it times out somewhere in the telia net`
`15:58.06`	`Antiarc`	`SeRaPhiCa: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WowAceUpdater`
`15:58.09`	`Iceroth`	`it always does that`
`15:58.16`	`Ordog`	`hm`
`15:58.24`	`Iceroth`	`their servers won't answer to pings/traces`
`15:58.28`	`[dRaCo]`	`so I just dl cartographer and add something to a file?`
`15:58.32`	`Matrix110`	`Ordog it always does as the WoW Login are protected by Hardware Firewalls that wont answer tracert/pings`
`15:58.35`	`\|Kev\|`	`SeRaPhiCa: assuming you're on windows, go to the url Antiarc just gave, run it, and tell it to update everything`
`15:58.36`	`Ordog`	`well reasonable -...`
`15:58.38`	`\|Kev\|`	`et voila`
`15:58.59`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`Ok. will try that. brb :) ty`
`15:59.39`	`[dRaCo]`	`kagaro: could you tell me exactly what to add to which file? I'm not at all familiar with lua`
`15:59.45`	`Matrix110`	`are you on SDSL from QSC ordog and got a static IP?`
`15:59.54`	`Matrix110`	`if not reconnect sometimes it solves it`
`16:00.02`	`Matrix110`	`aka reset router if you got one`
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`16:00.55`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm... does anyone have experience with mini-ITX System or something like that? I currently run an old PII with a 3gig hdd as router and want to replace that with something smaller with a CF drive.. i guess ;)`
`16:01.10`	`Ordog`	`i got no static ip yes`
`16:01.20`	`Antiarc`	`I built a mini-ITX system for my mom, for whatever that's worth.`
`16:01.28`	`Matrix110`	`try it then cant hurt`
`16:01.34`	`\|Kev\|`	`I use a miniitx for a router`
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`16:01.38`	`Ordog`	`my host tells you "dynamic" :)`
`16:01.38`	`kagaro`	`yeah in file: Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua on line 2881 add self:Print("Zone: "..zone) then at 2966 add the same print line when you enter felwood see if what gets printed if 'Felwood' or the german name`
`16:01.40`	`\|Kev\|`	`also as my mail server`
`16:01.44`	`groll`	`who makes grid now again?`
`16:02.00`	`groll`	`and cartogrpaher fishing?`
`16:02.03`	`Iceroth`	`i have 2 IPs at my campus network, swithcing .88 -> .89 did not help at least :-/`
`16:02.18`	`Antiarc`	`For the most part, the only "mini" component you need is the motherboard. Everything else will work with standard-sized components.`
`16:02.27`	`Antiarc`	`Make sure it's adequately cooled, though. Those cases get hot.,`
`16:02.28`	`Matrix110`	`Iceroth could you connect before from the campus to WoW some block it`
`16:02.29`	`\|Kev\|`	`but to be completely honest, i think it's better just to use a consumer router and save the effort, electricity bills, and noise`
`16:02.30`	`Antiarc`	`Not a lot of airflow.`
`16:02.34`	`Azurewrath`	`Antiarc, \|Kev\|, where did you inform yourself? Need input :)`
`16:02.43`	`\|Kev\|`	`good question`
`16:02.51`	`Antiarc`	`Azurewrath: I've been building machines for a while. I just went down to Fry's, bought the parts, and put 'em together.`
`16:02.51`	`\|Kev\|`	`I probably put mini-itx into google`
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`16:03.01`	`Antiarc`	`Nothing terribly different than building a normal machine. Just less space to work in`
`16:03.06`	`Iceroth`	`Matrix110, i was at burning blade, got dc and the unable to connect, switching the ip did nothing, switching to another isp let's me login`
`16:03.18`	`Matrix110`	`ic`
`16:03.19`	`groll`	`pastamancer u here? got 2 bugs http://ace.pastey.net/4561`
`16:03.20`	`\|Kev\|`	`but be warned that if you want a nice miniitx case, rather than a shuttle sized one, you'll need a laptop cd, 2.5" hdd and lowprofile memory`
`16:03.37`	`Matrix110`	`Azurewrath http://www.mini-itx.com/`
`16:03.45`	`Azurewrath`	`Antiarc: mhm.. sounds good, i built machines for years now..`
`16:03.53`	`Azurewrath`	`Matrix110: thx`
`16:04.06`	`Matrix110`	`the forums there are quite good iirc from some people that bult mitx`
`16:04.21`	`Azurewrath`	`Antiarc: what about the costs? Don't need much power though..`
`16:04.56`	`Antiarc`	`I don't remember, but it wasn't too bad. I think the case + board ran me...$140ish?`
`16:05.05`	`Antiarc`	`The rest of the parts were standard cost.`
`16:05.11`	`\|Kev\|`	`I say again, if you want this as a router, I strongly recommend just using a normal router, rather than building your own`
`16:05.20`	`Matrix110`	`oh i just noticed that there arent forums at this page anymore`
`16:05.26`	`Antiarc`	`I'd agree. Use a router as a router and stick your mailserver behind it.`
`16:05.28`	`\|Kev\|`	`I only haven't stopped using mine because it's my mail server too`
`16:05.37`	`kagaro`	`groll: ill have a working/usable copy tonight`
`16:05.39`	`Antiarc`	`You can ever grab a Linksys and put DD-WRT on it if you want to much around in it.`
`16:05.42`	`Antiarc`	`even*`
`16:05.43`	`\|Kev\|`	`having the box on 24/7 is annoying as hell`
`16:07.07`	`break19`	`<- cant seem to get cartographer to do what I want..`
`16:07.23`	`break19`	`that, and it appears all the notes in the instance maps are in the wrong places..`
`16:07.45`	`naenae`	`Hm. server stilldown`
`16:08.05`	`Iceroth`	`break19, i have that same, they are off a bit`
`16:08.06`	`[dRaCo]`	`yeah, guess they spilled coffee all over the servers`
`16:08.08`	`[dRaCo]`	`again.`
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`16:08.34`	`Tornhoof`	`hmm`
`16:08.37`	`Tornhoof`	`weird`
`16:08.49`	`break19`	`plus, I cant keep the damn open, it keeps switching to my current zone...`
`16:08.52`	`xordoquy`	`Does anyone know if there a GuildEventManager that has been aced ?`
`16:08.52`	`Tornhoof`	`world update event is fired like every second`
`16:09.03`	`Tornhoof`	`during the preparation time for the arena`
`16:09.08`	`kagaro`	`kodewulf: what icons do you need for quests? I can make them more transparent for you if you want`
`16:09.33`	`Matrix110`	`for me the Server isnt down but you just cant connect which is even more annoying:P`
`16:09.42`	`break19`	`i'm connected :p`
`16:09.50`	`[dRaCo]`	`can't you hook the zone-changed event, tornhoof?`
`16:09.57`	`Matrix110`	`well iam connected aswell but the server is not in server list`
`16:10.02`	`naenae`	`Well, I can't login`
`16:10.13`	`Matrix110`	`even said by the news thingy @left side`
`16:10.17`	`break19`	`i'm logged in... but then I play on a us server :p`
`16:10.17`	`kagaro`	`bb in a bit`
`16:10.27`	`Tornhoof`	`i can't find a zone changed event draco ;)`
`16:10.52`	`[dRaCo]`	`thought there was one....`
`16:11.10`	`Tornhoof`	`the smallest zone is too small`
`16:11.22`	`break19`	`i just want to shrink the map, show ONLY the zone itself... ala alphamap's compact mode..`
`16:11.23`	`Tornhoof`	`there is a ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA though`
`16:11.43`	`[dRaCo]`	`shouldn't that be enough?`
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`16:12.43`	`Amadeo`	`Anyone in here wear glasses?`
`16:12.57`	`Grine`	`now and then Amadeo`
`16:13.01`	`Matrix110`	`i used to wear them for 10years`
`16:13.06`	`Matrix110`	`contact lenses now`
`16:13.14`	`Amadeo`	`I gotta get some, just found out how blind I am yesterday!`
`16:13.47`	`Tornhoof`	`yeh looks like it`
`16:14.50`	`[dRaCo]`	`Note: When this event fires, the UI may still think you're in the zone you just left. Don't depend on GetRealZoneText() [...]`
`16:14.52`	`[dRaCo]`	`:/`
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`16:16.47`	`sylvanaar`	`how can i check if a variable has been tainted?`
`16:16.55`	`sylvanaar`	`myself`
`16:18.39`	`CIA-17`	`03nirek * r23562 10Evpsets/: Evpsets: I thought I got rid of you`
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`16:19.23`	`snurre-`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_BKbJnJpY`
`16:19.33`	`Tornhoof`	`doesn't matter draco, it will remove totems anyway (the game does)`
`16:19.44`	`miguillo`	`hello world (no, i'm not a geek)`
`16:20.16`	`[dRaCo]`	`ok...`
`16:20.52`	`miguillo`	`but i search a geek (no, i'm not femal)`
`16:21.39`	`break19`	`i think i'll stick with gatherer and alphamap.. i cant find a way to make cartographer do what i want...`
`16:21.56`	`Industrial`	`LMAO`
`16:22.00`	`Industrial`	`snurre-: :D`
`16:23.10`	`[dRaCo]`	`uh. tornhoof: I just logged in with my second shaman (lvl 7) and yata doesn't show up`
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`16:27.25`	`sylvanaar`	`this is the pet action bar getting tainted: http://ace.pastey.net/4566`
`16:27.54`	`Tornhoof`	`yeh`
`16:27.57`	`Tornhoof`	`it's not supposed to work with lowlevel anyway draco`
`16:28.37`	`Tornhoof`	`the code does not like it if you don't have all the totems ;)`
`16:29.22`	`[dRaCo]`	`ok... but it didnt screw my settings, did it?`
`16:29.30`	`Tornhoof`	`dunno tbh :)`
`16:30.20`	`Tornhoof`	`hmm atleast IsActiveBattlefieldArena(); isn't returning proper values after ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA to an arena`
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`16:30.36`	`Tornhoof`	`guess I'm gonna queue that a bi`
`16:30.37`	`Tornhoof`	`t`
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`16:35.44`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`Question Plz, when i run update with ace updater, Do i run update with externals or without?`
`16:35.52`	`cogwheel`	`quick question: is it Ace that provides /dump & /reload? if so, what function would I use to dump programatically?`
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`16:38.24`	`Ominous`	`where can i get a html download of the 2.03 beta enBG patch`
`16:40.41`	`miguillo`	`is there some lib (an ace2lib, not kci, nor EnhTooltip (arg)) to add lines to items tooltips in a simple way (not having to hook every GetXXXItemLink)?`
`16:41.50`	`Antiarc`	`Not that I know of, but it's not too bad.`
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`16:42.14`	`Ordog`	`grmb�`
`16:42.18`	`Ordog`	`still cant logon`
`16:42.26`	`Ordog`	`did my ip change? forgot to note ^^`
`16:42.53`	`CIA-17`	`03grennon 07Postal_Express * r23563 10Postal/Postal_Express.lua: Postal: add alt-click to attach item to normal sendmailframe to Postal_Express`
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`16:43.05`	`Antiarc`	`miguillo: http://ace.pastey.net/4571`
`16:43.24`	`Ominous`	`where can i get a html download of the 2.03 beta enBG patch?`
`16:43.32`	`Antiarc`	`You might not be able to.`
`16:44.45`	`Antiarc`	`miguillo: My example requires AceHook, though.`
`16:44.55`	`Barbanus`	`Is Postal_Express the new GMail?`
`16:45.23`	`nickenyfiken`	`Postal is i guess`
`16:45.30`	`nickenyfiken`	`Posta_Express is a Postal module`
`16:45.55`	`miguillo`	`Antiarc: I saw that, while grep'ing a bit on "SecureHook(GameTooltip", but i found such a lot of addons implementing the same thing, so i wonder if...`
`16:46.16`	`Barbanus`	`Doh, l2read Barbanus`
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`16:48.55`	`CIA-17`	`03tornhoof * r23564 10Yata/Timers.lua:`
`16:48.55`	`CIA-17`	`Yata:`
`16:48.56`	`CIA-17`	`- First attempt to support cooldown removing on Arena and generic bar removal on zoneing`
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`16:51.31`	`break19`	`i see a postman, but no postal :/`
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`16:54.38`	`CIA-17`	`03jerry * r23565 10FuBar_TimerFu/FuBar_TimerFu.toc: FuBar_TimerFu: updated toc`
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`16:55.06`	`CIA-17`	`03jerry * r23566 10lern2count/lern2count.toc: lern2count: updated toc`
`16:55.20`	`CIA-17`	`03jerry * r23567 10Links/Links.toc: Links: updated toc`
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`16:55.46`	`CIA-17`	`03jerry * r23568 10ItemBonusLib/ (ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua ItemBonusLib.toc): ItemBonusLib: modified gagorian's fix. Updated toc`
`16:59.55`	`Deviad`	`Can you log in to hakkar?`
`17:00.32`	`Deviad`	`Can you log in on hakkar?`
`17:00.55`	`miguillo`	`can you log on other realms?`
`17:01.09`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: ping`
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`17:01.22`	`Mikma`	`Iceroth: http://www.kuvaton.com/kuvei/turussa_20cm_lunta.jpg`
`17:01.57`	`Saroz`	`pastamancer, pong`
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`17:02.07`	`Gagorian`	`Mikma: funn-ay`
`17:02.12`	`CIA-17`	`03drathos * r23569 10FuBar_ReagentFu/ (Changelog.txt FuBar_ReagentFu.toc ReagentFu.lua):`
`17:02.12`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_ReagentFu:`
`17:02.12`	`CIA-17`	`-Fix for locale error introduced in 2.0.8`
`17:02.14`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: it's done`
`17:02.17`	`Mikma`	`Gagorian: :)`
`17:02.19`	`Saroz`	`pastamancer, link?`
`17:02.21`	`sylvanaar`	`hmm`
`17:02.36`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7844`
`17:03.13`	`Saroz`	`pastamancer, throw it in Ace SVN?`
`17:03.45`	`pastamancer`	`it's not ace`
`17:03.49`	`Saroz`	`doesnt matter`
`17:03.58`	`Saroz`	`many non-ace addons in SVN`
`17:04.02`	`Deviad`	`It seams there's a problem with the major servers like Kazzak and Hakkar`
`17:04.19`	`Iceroth`	`Mikma, :D`
`17:04.38`	`Silviu--`	`pastamancer yes u can make CastCommLib and UTF8 in svn as separate folders :P`
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`17:05.03`	`pastamancer`	`Silviu--: I added .toc files`
`17:05.30`	`Silviu--`	`Yes but i can�t seem to find them in trunk`
`17:05.55`	`Silviu--`	`I had to download zip file, and put both in Frid/libs`
`17:06.00`	`Silviu--`	`Grid*`
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`17:06.04`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: maybe later. why should it be on ace svn, just so it shows up in /files?`
`17:06.20`	`Silviu--`	`Yes ^^`
`17:06.24`	`Saroz`	`pastamancer, well, suppose it doesnt really matter, but yes :p`
`17:06.40`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: I'll just change the files script`
`17:07.36`	`Antiarc`	`What non-Ace mods are in the wowace SVN?`
`17:07.45`	`Saroz`	`Acceptance for one :p`
`17:07.45`	`pastamancer`	`afk 20 min`
`17:07.48`	`Antiarc`	`Other than the !! stuff, which has to load before Ace and therefore can't use Ace anyway.`
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`17:09.56`	`Antiarc`	`Hm. If I PVP hard tonight, I might be able to get my Swiftblade tomorrow.`
`17:10.19`	`Antiarc`	`Stupid raiding falling apart right when my turn for Iblis came up.`
`17:10.57`	`Silviu--`	`./comfort Antiarc`
`17:11.14`	`xordoquy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:11.17`	`xordoquy`	`oups`
`17:11.23`	`xordoquy`	`bye ^`
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`17:14.50`	`CIA-17`	`03Tristan * r23570 10Cancellation/Cancellation.toc:`
`17:14.50`	`CIA-17`	`Cancellation:`
`17:14.50`	`CIA-17`	`- Added wowace forums thread to .toc`
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`17:15.27`	`CIA-17`	`03Tristan * r23571 10Tankalyze/Tankalyze.toc:`
`17:15.27`	`CIA-17`	`Tankalyze:`
`17:15.27`	`CIA-17`	`- Added wowace forums thread to .toc. And renamed it from Tristan's Tankalyze to Tankalyze (my god what a stupid name it turned out to be)`
`17:16.47`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23572 10Prat/Prat/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Prat: Some taint analysis done. Added module statuses to indicate "taint" evaluation need`
`17:17.29`	`break19`	`hmm.. so I'm using PerformanceFU and I notice my memory usage is at 70M.. is there any way to see which addons are using the most, other than just simply disabling em one at a time? lol`
`17:18.19`	`break19`	`and.. what is the most efficient party buffs mod?`
`17:19.20`	Funkeh`	`party buffs?`
`17:19.37`	Funkeh`	`for showing party buffs on the blizz UI?`
`17:19.44`	Funkeh`	`i think simpleunitframes does that`
`17:20.54`	`break19`	Funkeh`: yea.. but I dont like it..
`17:21.10`	`break19`	Funkeh`: I prefer mobhealth3 blizzard frames...
`17:21.19`	`neenee`	`break19: perhaps Warmup can give an indication as to which Addon uses how much memory`
`17:21.54`	`break19`	`neenee: dunno bout that.. it only shows how much is used when it's first loaded.. not how much it's using in-game...`
`17:22.43`	Funkeh`	`teksupport`
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`17:22.49`	`break19`	`dammit. wrong button`
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`17:22.56`	Funkeh`	`you wil also need supplyanddemand to load it`
`17:23.57`	ag`	`hey guys, in AceOO`
`17:24.08`	ag`	`what's the difference between checking for an interface`
`17:24.16`	ag`	`or simply doing if self.function then`
`17:26.58`	`Amadeo`	`I don't know if I'm happy with Miranda-IM anymore, protocol support is waning`
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`17:28.54`	`neenee`	`http://www.wengerna.com/browse/product.jsp?prod_id=1260&cat_id=1&sub_cat_id=23 oO`
`17:29.46`	`Amadeo`	`rofl, no way`
`17:30.04`	`neenee`	`:)`
`17:31.15`	kergoth`zzz	ag`: currently there is no difference. thats what an interface /is/ in aceoo, simply a way to ensure that the interface complies. that said, its pretty rare to only have one function in your interface :P most useful when you have one class that will comply with multiple interfaces.
`17:31.16`	`break19`	`geezus lol`
`17:31.18`	`CIA-17`	`03bima * r23573 10Postman/ (. Postman.lua Postman.toc Postman.xml README.txt): Postman: Initial ace2 version; MailTo & CT_MailMod rewrite (NOT copied)`
`17:31.47`	ag`	`kergoth, goodie, I just wanted to know if I understood the tutorial :P`
`17:31.49`	`Amadeo`	`kergoth has one of those knives`
`17:32.15`	`neenee`	`:)`
`17:32.38`	ag`	`oh btw kergoth, I hope you may be able to help me, I need an idea`
`17:32.55`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23574 10Prat/Prat/ (Prat.lua modules/UrlCopy.lua): Prat: Made Taint Check an option, and moved a debug string`
`17:33.15`	ag`	`Lets say you have a unit class, which registers events`
`17:33.33`	ag`	`now you want for the player object to register XP events too`
`17:33.39`	ag`	`should I do that with a mixin or a subclass?`
`17:33.46`	`[dRaCo]`	`hey tornhoof: it broke, completely`
`17:33.52`	`Tornhoof`	`i know`
`17:33.53`	`Tornhoof`	`i tried`
`17:33.56`	`[dRaCo]`	`had to delete the config :(`
`17:33.59`	`Tornhoof`	`:D`
`17:34.16`	`Tornhoof`	`i fixed that`
`17:35.24`	`CIA-17`	`03tornhoof * r23575 10Yata/ (Core.lua TotemBar.lua TotemData.lua readme.txt):`
`17:35.25`	`CIA-17`	`Yata:`
`17:35.25`	`CIA-17`	`- Reenabled profiles, lost it earlier`
`17:36.08`	`Tornhoof`	`get that version draco, create new user profile`
`17:36.13`	`Tornhoof`	`and copy the default over`
`17:37.03`	`[dRaCo]`	`yay, cool`
`17:37.32`	`[dRaCo]`	`go, zipscript, go!`
`17:37.34`	`[dRaCo]`	`=)`
`17:37.36`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23576 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_UnitClass.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua):`
`17:37.36`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`17:37.37`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:38.27`	`Thorgard`	`packetlss, houdar u!?`
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`17:39.00`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: it'll let you add a rez monitor too`
`17:39.31`	`Goeb`	`res monitor? sweet :)`
`17:39.41`	`Adirelle-Home`	`er... just seen that : "alias:gsub("%s", "-"):lower()"`
`17:39.42`	`Adirelle-Home`	`are string methods embedded in bare lua or is it a Ace2 feature ?`
`17:39.55`	`pastamancer`	`lua 5.1`
`17:39.58`	`Adirelle-Home`	`nice`
`17:40.37`	`Goeb`	`it's startin to look like perl`
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`17:41.00`	`pastamancer`	`hardly`
`17:41.52`	`Goeb`	`heh, I'm a shell scripter... syntax? we don't need no stinkin' syntax ;)`
`17:41.54`	`packetlss`	`Thorgard: que?`
`17:42.21`	`Thorgard`	`packetlss, http://www.orlyowl.com/upload/files/Hou_dar_u!.jpg`
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`17:43.24`	`Adirell1`	`raah`
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`17:45.25`	`[dRaCo]`	`hm`
`17:45.32`	`[dRaCo]`	`where did that guy go?`
`17:45.45`	`[dRaCo]`	`the one who wanted me to test cartographer`
`17:46.10`	Funkeh`	`later`
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`17:46.58`	`grzesieq`	`wee, found what causes the crash on logout`
`17:47.06`	`grzesieq`	`ClearFont2`
`17:47.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Make sure you deleted any old version you may have hangind around, and try a reinstall of ClearFont2`
`17:47.40`	`grzesieq`	`kk`
`17:49.06`	`packetlss`	`Thorgard: hehe`
`17:49.18`	ag`	`Hmm`
`17:49.27`	ag`	`Mixins can't do anything at init of an object right?`
`17:49.34`	ag`	`it can only add functions?`
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`17:50.57`	ag`	`nm`
`17:51.01`	`Deviad`	`Can anyone pls check if logging in on hakkar works?`
`17:51.24`	`CIA-17`	`03totalpackage * r23577 10Capping/ (Capping.lua Capping.toc WSG.lua localization.lua):`
`17:51.24`	`CIA-17`	`Capping`
`17:51.24`	`CIA-17`	`- localization update`
`17:51.24`	`CIA-17`	`- code cleanup and maybe optimizations`
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`17:53.00`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm.. anyone know a list of all Class Colors in RGBA Format?`
`17:54.13`	`Ominous`	`where can i get a html download of the 2.03 beta enBG patch?`
`17:54.32`	`pastamancer`	`Azurewrath: RAID_CLASS_COLORS[class]`
`17:55.32`	`vulturul`	`hello, lately im having a problem with ML-ing, when i click an item and it shows the group, when i mouseover/click a groupname(or its arrow) it wont open the playerlist and i cannot assign the item to anyone. I am using only Ace2 addons. Without addons it is working, anybody have any idea whats happening`
`17:55.44`	`Azurewrath`	`pastamancer: thx`
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`17:57.25`	`vulturul`	`anyone ? :(`
`17:57.49`	`kagaro`	`does any of the ace libraries already have time/date functions in it ?`
`17:58.16`	`Adirell1`	`anyone have an complex exemple of a passing group in aceoptions ?`
`17:58.18`	`Ominous`	`there is api for that isnt there?`
`17:58.32`	`pastamancer`	`vulturul: there are many Ace2 addons`
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`17:59.22`	`vulturul`	`pastamancer : hoped someone encountered the issue as well`
`17:59.35`	`kagaro`	`does os.time return the local machine time or server time ?`
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`18:00.01`	`pastamancer`	`vulturul: ah, I have not`
`18:00.16`	`pastamancer`	`kagaro: local`
`18:00.37`	`kagaro`	`hmm so how do you figure out server time ? ask for the time offset?`
`18:01.35`	`grzesieq`	`Kirkburn\|afk: either deleting and downloading again helped, or not using the extra package did. i'm too tired to decide which ;P`
`18:03.02`	`pastamancer`	`hour, minut = GetGametime()`
`18:03.19`	`pastamancer`	`s/GetGametime/GetGameTime/`
`18:03.43`	`jaete`	`hmm, so, if i have an addon that uses ace libraries, what do i need to do to make a standalone distribution of my addon?`
`18:04.13`	`jaete`	`i made a libs/ dir and copied the libs i use from Ace2 and a few other places, but that doesn't seem to be enough as it can't find the libraries`
`18:05.09`	`haste`	`you have to add them to the TOC also`
`18:05.22`	`kagaro`	`pastamancer: is the 24 hour clock or 12 hour clock ?`
`18:05.28`	`kagaro`	`s/the/that/`
`18:05.47`	`pastamancer`	`24`
`18:05.47`	`Iceroth`	`24`
`18:05.54`	`kagaro`	`thanks`
`18:06.15`	`Iceroth`	`without leading zeros too apparently`
`18:06.24`	`pastamancer`	`well, they're numbers`
`18:06.32`	`Iceroth`	`was just gonna say that :)`
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`18:08.47`	`jaete`	`haste, they are in the toc, like this: Libs\AceOO-2.0\AceOO-2.0.lua`
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`18:09.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`pastamancer you've created a monster`
`18:09.19`	`haste`	`and they are like that in your Libs folder also :) ?`
`18:09.23`	`jaete`	`that works fine as long as i have a separate dir Addons/Ace2/ that has AceOO-2.0/ inside it, but not if i don't`
`18:09.34`	`jaete`	`yes`
`18:10.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`recursion recursion recursion! http://ace.pastey.net/4575`
`18:10.16`	`pastamancer`	`KarlThePagan: :)`
`18:10.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`let me know if that looks... odd cause I'm using it everywhere ;)`
`18:11.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`it basically works tho ;)`
`18:12.34`	`jaete`	`hmm, does the stuff need to be in the .toc in the correct order?`
`18:12.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`yes tho it might still work if your users are big ace users`
`18:13.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`acelibrary, aceoo, etc etc in order of dependency`
`18:13.46`	ag`	`kergoth, I can't make a subclass from a class and a mixin? :(`
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`18:13.55`	`jaete`	`is this documented anywhere?`
`18:14.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`in the "my first ace addon" example`
`18:14.17`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23578 10Cartographer_Fishing/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Cartographer_Fishing: Major updates to the fishing modules, should detect schools/nodes and place them on your map. It should monitor other things you catch and record them for useage with Cart Stats`
`18:14.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace2_Addon`
`18:14.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`there it is`
`18:14.44`	`kagaro`	`thats all drycode for the fishing module`
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`18:21.09`	`Antiarc`	`So, my wife just hit 60 this weekend. She's been a very casual player, generally soloed, didn't like PVP.`
`18:21.17`	`Antiarc`	`I introduced her to AV so she could get her IBS.`
`18:21.23`	`Antiarc`	`She's been PVPing basically non-stop since.`
`18:21.33`	`Antiarc`	`She's turned into a PVP monster. It's hilarious.`
`18:21.35`	`Dhraga`	`lol`
`18:22.01`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23579 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: converted a small peices of storage`
`18:22.07`	`Amadeo`	`I get too pissed off at PvP`
`18:22.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`hah`
`18:22.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`she's a hunter tho?`
`18:22.23`	`Antiarc`	`She's competitive as hell, too, so whenever a fight doesn't go her way, I hear a string of profanity a mile wide come flying out of the office :D`
`18:22.25`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, hunter.`
`18:22.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`hahaah`
`18:22.42`	`Antiarc`	`It's utterly hilarious.`
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`18:22.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`name? so i can camp her... course I'll get eaten alive but I can smoke a fresh 60 hunter usually`
`18:23.00`	`Dhraga`	`it feels as it was ages since I was on a raid`
`18:23.01`	`CIA-17`	`03tornhoof * r23580 10Yata/ (Core.lua Options.lua TotemBar.lua TotemData.lua readme.txt):`
`18:23.01`	`CIA-17`	`Yata:`
`18:23.01`	`CIA-17`	`- Character based profiles are default now`
`18:23.08`	`kergoth`	`kagaro: ooh, nice`
`18:23.09`	`Antiarc`	`She's the sweetest person you could ever meet, but put her in a battleground and she'll wring your neck with your own intestines.`
`18:23.12`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23581 10Cartographer_Stats/Cartographer_Stats.lua: Cartographer_Stats: enabled fish stats`
`18:23.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`haah`
`18:23.14`	`Dhraga`	`Hmm that came out in the wrong channel... ignore :P`
`18:23.18`	`TheKarn`	`Dhraga, i'm the same way`
`18:23.22`	`kergoth`	`kagaro: how do you get to the stats?`
`18:23.26`	`KarlThePagan`	`see that's exactly how my wife would do if she played wow`
`18:23.31`	`kagaro`	`Cart stats`
`18:23.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`she hates rpg's and loves quake...`
`18:23.34`	`snurre`	`god i get so fucking pissed off at these retards logging on irc and start bitching at blizz for Telias european routing being crapped down`
`18:23.36`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`18:23.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`so she's against it on principle of the "elves and shit"`
`18:23.43`	`Antiarc`	`Heya, ckknight`
`18:23.46`	`KarlThePagan`	`yo ck...`
`18:23.47`	`ckknight`	`would something bad happen if I sprayed my laptop's keyboard with raid?`
`18:23.52`	`Dhraga`	`Mmm can type it in here also, ever since the patch I havent done much else that fiddeling with addons`
`18:23.53`	`kagaro`	`i made fishing keep track of zone and subzone for each fish type`
`18:23.56`	`ckknight`	`it's covered in ants.`
`18:24.02`	`pastamancer`	`><`
`18:24.03`	`Antiarc`	`ck: nah.`
`18:24.08`	`kergoth`	`how do you pull up the left/right stats panel in cart_stats?`
`18:24.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`depends which kind of powerbook`
`18:24.12`	`Antiarc`	`Just let it dry before you turn it on.`
`18:24.18`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: MacBook Pro`
`18:24.19`	`Antiarc`	`Hm.`
`18:24.21`	`pastamancer`	`wouldn't there be residue`
`18:24.26`	`Antiarc`	`I wonder how conductive Raid residue is.`
`18:24.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea there will`
`18:24.32`	`pastamancer`	`compressed air`
`18:24.33`	`kagaro`	`kergoth: ill give it a test run when i get home tonight`
`18:24.37`	`ckknight`	`maybe I should spray it on a paper towel and wipe instead`
`18:24.38`	`pastamancer`	`also, wtf ants`
`18:24.45`	`KarlThePagan`	`I would get some rubbing alcohol/wipeys and wipe it down instead`
`18:24.48`	`kagaro`	`ck: use air`
`18:24.50`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight: put a bowl of raid'd sugar next to the laptop.`
`18:25.05`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc: yea, done that before, works reasonably well.`
`18:25.06`	`Antiarc`	`Or a little pile, whatever.`
`18:25.13`	`kagaro`	`KarlThePagan: that would be better me thinks actually`
`18:25.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`hey ck - thanks for looking into options table stuff ;)`
`18:25.32`	`Antiarc`	`I'd avoid directly raiding the laptop if possible.`
`18:25.35`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: yep. It's still slightly screwy for AceConsole, but works for Dewdrop now`
`18:25.39`	`Tornhoof`	`[draco] go test that new build`
`18:25.39`	`Antiarc`	`You could try putting it in the freezer overnight.`
`18:25.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`<3`
`18:25.53`	`Antiarc`	`That probably wouldn't kill the ants, but it would certainly make them unhappy.`
`18:26.07`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc: it's the morning and I want to use it`
`18:26.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok i'll give it a shot and let you know - I really need passing groups... I would also find nested passing useful but I can live without it`
`18:26.14`	`Tornhoof`	`btw there is a typo here: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceDB-2.0#:GetProfile.28.29 the code example should contain "Default" not "default"`
`18:26.57`	`[dRaCo]`	`I will.`
`18:27.01`	`*** join/#wowace dotted (n=nnscript@0x555157c7.adsl.cybercity.dk)`
`18:27.27`	`Antiarc`	`But yeah. I don't think I'd spray the laptop, if for no other reason than you'll have raid on your fingers for a month.`
`18:27.31`	`Antiarc`	`Which would be bad.`
`18:27.41`	`TheKarn`	`changed it tornhoof`
`18:27.42`	`Tornhoof`	`if you wonder where your profile is just copy the default profile,i switched it to char based profiles for now, to get around all those different totems on twinks`
`18:28.03`	`[Cu]Werik`	`What the hell are the ants doing on the powerbook anyway`
`18:28.10`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight: You could always take the laptop outside and get a magnifying glass.`
`18:28.26`	`KarlThePagan`	`I have an ace event question - is it permitted to register for an event multiple times?`
`18:28.27`	`ckknight`	`no`
`18:28.29`	`Industrial`	`Sergoth: will u go out with my charector?`
`18:28.35`	`Industrial`	`To Sergoth: piss off dickface`
`18:28.39`	`Industrial`	`To Sergoth: die in a fire`
`18:28.43`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: from a single addon, no, it won't work`
`18:28.45`	`Industrial`	`ah the life in goldshire, gotta love it`
`18:28.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`rats... ok thanks ck that explains the behavior i'm seeing`
`18:29.00`	`ckknight`	`lol, indie`
`18:29.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`adding that note to the wiki`
`18:29.20`	`Antiarc`	`Industrial: When you get those kind of people, that's when you ask them for cash and gifts.`
`18:29.27`	`Antiarc`	`THEN you reply as you did.`
`18:29.36`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23582 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: contest support for filtering`
`18:29.49`	`pastamancer`	`oh, I thought industrial was Sergoth :p`
`18:29.58`	`Antiarc`	`It's even worse on an RP server, because people get to excuse themselves with "I'm arrpeeing!"`
`18:30.06`	`Industrial`	`at that moment im too repulsed by him, mostly because im a him too :\|`
`18:30.13`	`Antiarc`	`I cheer every time a horde lock takes an Infernal to Goldshire.`
`18:30.20`	`Industrial`	`o well thats what you get for playing female night elf`
`18:30.27`	`pastamancer`	`haha`
`18:31.12`	`kergoth`	`http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/04/bush_oks_opening_you.html - thats fucked up`
`18:31.27`	`Antiarc`	`Yes. Yes, it is.`
`18:31.47`	`Antiarc`	`As Bush has exercised them, signing statements are 100% Grade A Corn-Fed bullshit.`
`18:31.53`	`Antiarc`	`It's utterly insane.`
`18:32.30`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23583 10Prat/Prat/modules/ChatFrames.lua: Prat: Added solution to force the pet action bar to be shown. Though - Prat no longer taints it.`
`18:33.07`	`sylvanaar`	`bliz = nubs`
`18:33.36`	`kergoth`	`heh, whatd they do?`
`18:34.30`	`ckknight`	`cool, KarlThePagan`
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`18:34.50`	`ckknight`	`so you all know, I'm still sick, but I'm on the kind of sick where I start hallucinating and such`
`18:34.58`	`kergoth`	`ick`
`18:35.04`	`kergoth`	`dont think i've ever been that kind of sick`
`18:35.13`	`TheKarn`	`ckknight will start imagining bugs, attempting to fix them and producing more "features"`
`18:35.38`	`ckknight`	`lol, actually it is best for me to stick to the computer either with programming or something like WoW`
`18:35.39`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: you're not hallucinating the ants, are you?`
`18:35.56`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: no, those are quite real, the effects on my skin from them aren't, though`
`18:35.57`	`grzesieq`	`Kirkburn\|afk: hm, still crashes on logout :/`
`18:36.05`	`grzesieq`	`anyone else got wow crashing on logout?`
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`18:36.44`	`[dRaCo]`	`kagaro: ok, my server is back... but cartographer doesn't print anything on zoning`
`18:36.53`	`[dRaCo]`	`after adding the lines you told me too`
`18:37.24`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, kenergy has the weirdest color selection I've ever seen. ;P`
`18:37.44`	`*** join/#wowace Telrin (n=test@roar.xs4all.nl)`
`18:38.07`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r23584 10Prat/ (Prat.toc modules/HookPoints.lua): Prat: bye`
`18:38.08`	`Antiarc`	`grzesieq: Beta was crashing on logout due to WDB issues, some while ago.`
`18:38.16`	`Antiarc`	`Dunno if that's related.`
`18:38.48`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: hehe, yeah.. it uses PaintChipsLib, which is a library for managing named colors`
`18:39.04`	`kergoth`	`so naturally the names available depends on the addons you have thats using it`
`18:39.26`	`kergoth`	`maybe i'll add a custom option`
`18:39.29`	`Thorgard`	`Aye.. I've a few fairly weird ones..`
`18:39.37`	`[dRaCo]`	`ok... my server is gone again`
`18:39.40`	`kergoth`	`i was using itemqualityepic for a while.. hehe`
`18:40.01`	`Thorgard`	`I'm thinking about trying debufftypenone. ;P`
`18:40.11`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`18:40.16`	`TheKarn`	`Invision 2.0 hasnt been touched for almost 2 years`
`18:40.46`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, does kenergy work for druids in cat form?`
`18:40.48`	`kergoth`	`hows the addon working for you? haven't gotten a great deal of feedback.. mostly just wrote it for me, got sick of gonffbar not being maintained`
`18:40.55`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`18:41.07`	`kergoth`	`i dont have a high level one, but it works well on my level 21`
`18:41.25`	`Thorgard`	`Actually, I'm still trying to find it on my screen.`
`18:41.27`	`kagaro`	`draco: after you login, fly over to aother zone, where are you logged in at ?`
`18:41.48`	`[dRaCo]`	`my server just went offline again`
`18:41.53`	`Thorgard`	`Ah.. unlocked it to see where it was. However, it's not showing the energy ticker.`
`18:41.56`	`[dRaCo]`	`do I have to fly?`
`18:41.59`	`kagaro`	`well when it comes back up :)`
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`18:42.21`	`kergoth`	`kEnergy doesnt start ticking until the first UNIT_ENERGY event it sees. its impossible to accurately judge when the ticks are taking place otherwise`
`18:42.27`	`kagaro`	`the bug report is the minniumpa circles are staying on the map as you travel through the zone`
`18:42.29`	`Industrial`	`Lets try if this works :D http://xs511.xs.to/xs511/07015/WoWScrnShot_010507_194129.jpg`
`18:42.34`	`kagaro`	`*minimap`
`18:42.48`	`kergoth`	`by default itll only show ticks while your energy is ticking (when it isnt maxed), you can change that`
`18:42.49`	`kagaro`	`draco: im guessing ther eis just a localization error somewhere we need to find`
`18:43.07`	`kergoth`	`brb`
`18:43.12`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, a'right, now it showed up.. as a bar counting down, very slowly.. and resetting to the top every time the energy ticks. :o`
`18:43.40`	`kagaro`	`either in babble zone or cartographer .. not passing the right zone name to tourist`
`18:44.02`	`kergoth`	`you are using the current version, right? do a /ke and tell me what the tick offset currently is`
`18:44.21`	`kergoth`	`hmm poisonwatchsct looks useful, might have to modify it to work with msbt`
`18:44.41`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23585 10Cartographer_Noteshare/Cartographer_Noteshare.lua: Cartographer_Noteshare: added fishing database to share list`
`18:44.50`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, yeah, I just downloaded it. tickoffset = 33.677.08repeating3s.`
`18:45.02`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23586 10Prat/Prat/Prat.toc: Prat: comment out hookpoints - taint still occuring for MC, but workaround does correct it`
`18:45.09`	`kergoth`	`do a /ke tickoffset 0`
`18:45.37`	`Gagorian`	`Any warlock with DS here?`
`18:45.42`	`*** join/#wowace [1]Ominous (i=HydraIRC@88-111-86-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)`
`18:45.52`	`kagaro`	`btw whoever wrote Kyubi rocks made figuring out fishing events a breeze`
`18:45.57`	`kergoth`	`damnit, i thought i found all the possible causes of the tick offset being off`
`18:46.00`	`Thorgard`	`Did that.. then I used Tiger's Fury to waste some energy, now the tickoffset is 38.812230769227.`
`18:46.09`	`packetlss`	`Gagorian: ye`
`18:46.13`	`MoonWolf`	`kyubi, sounds like something tekkub would make.`
`18:46.23`	`kergoth`	`what the heck`
`18:46.27`	`Gagorian`	`packetlss: Can you check if DS:ing the succubus and felguard have the same bufftexture`
`18:46.33`	`Antiarc`	`kergoth: Did you get to the Combat Potency/BG energy refill stuff?`
`18:46.43`	`kergoth`	`Antiarc: yea`
`18:46.51`	`Antiarc`	`I haven't had a chance to test it - I disabled kEnergy at that time since it was spamming me too much to read raid chat >_>`
`18:46.55`	`Antiarc`	`Heh, ok. I'll give it another go tonight.`
`18:47.00`	`kagaro`	`all I know it made it soo easy t figure out fishing event order and how to get the fishing node name`
`18:47.17`	`packetlss`	`Gagorian: i can't :( EU realms seems down for me`
`18:48.08`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: do me a favor.. do /script kEnergy:SetDebugging(true) kEnergy:SetDebugLevel(3), then /ke tickoffset 0, and burn a little energy`
`18:48.30`	`kergoth`	`i need to level a damn druid one of these days`
`18:48.48`	`\|Kev\|`	`don't`
`18:48.50`	`Dekuna`	`kergoth, i play a 60 drood if you need testing`
`18:48.55`	`\|Kev\|`	`you'll never want to play another char again ;)`
`18:48.57`	`Thorgard`	`(DEBUG) kEnergy:[12:48:30.957] Warning! Unexpected energy difference of -100, assuming not a tick.(DEBUG) kEnergy:[12:48:30.413] +40(DEBUG) kEnergy:[12:48:32.820] -30(DEBUG) kEnergy:[12:48:39.369] Warning! Unexpected energy difference of 9, assuming not a tick.`
`18:49.13`	`Thorgard`	`Then the tickoffset goes whacky.`
`18:49.32`	`Industrial`	`this mouse only thing is interesting`
`18:49.40`	`Industrial`	`might get used to it :P`
`18:50.12`	`packetlss`	`Gagorian: they have the same buff texture on beta`
`18:50.42`	`packetlss`	`Gagorian: and both are named Touch of Shadow`
`18:50.59`	`Antiarc`	`Honestly...I think it might be easier to detect the first +20 tick after zoning and then just tick on a 2-second interval from there, resetting the interval whenever you get a +20 tick.`
`18:51.03`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin 07v2.0 * r23587 10DKPmon/ (3 files in 3 dirs): DKPmon: v2.0 -- Fixed errors from the drycode sessions.`
`18:51.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`ahhh conneciton... bye`
`18:51.19`	`Antiarc`	`Between the 19/21 energy ticks, Combat Potency and Relentless procs, various Energize effects...`
`18:51.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`wireless lol`
`18:51.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`driving away`
`18:51.26`	`Antiarc`	`I just think it would be a PITA to keep track of.`
`18:51.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`....`
`18:51.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:51.36`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23588 10Cartographer_Stats/Cartographer_Stats.lua: Cartographer_Stats: fixed a typo`
`18:51.36`	`TheKarn`	`lol`
`18:51.49`	`Dhraga`	`Anyone heard anything from Kaelten about the progress of the KCI2 development ?`
`18:51.57`	`vith`	`hmm.. how come i just saw wowaceupdater get a new cartographer zip, but my addon list doesn't have cartographer :(`
`18:52.13`	`TheKarn`	`Dhraga he has other things on his plate at the moment`
`18:52.20`	`Dhraga`	`ah ok`
`18:52.34`	`vith`	`ah, i only have Addons\Cartographer\Instances\*.blp now`
`18:52.48`	`TheKarn`	`i'll ask him later if i get teh chance but he was out all day today`
`18:52.58`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23589 10Prat/Prat/modules/UrlCopy.lua: Prat: look for <http>://www before www.`
`18:53.02`	`vith`	`this happened yesterday too.`
`18:53.09`	`TheKarn`	`sylvanaar is spamming svn again`
`18:53.29`	`kergoth`	`Antiarc: the energize effects and all that all come in via events, its all captured.. but you make a good point.. the thing is, with fluctuating server and network latency, i was trying to maintain the average to have a more likely guess of when we'll get the next tick. if you reset the time continually... also, a single laggy tick (assuming its the final tick that maxes your energy) would make it tick at hte wrong rate until you spend some mor`
`18:53.36`	`kergoth`	`if you see what i mean`
`18:53.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`you're supposed to take little steps and not make huge commits ;] for reverting buggy revs and stuff`
`18:53.58`	`Antiarc`	`kergoth: I did some heavy testing a while back, and if you get a +energy even close enough to a tick, it rolls it into the tick`
`18:54.11`	`Antiarc`	`So you get relentless + tick = +45 energy in a single tick.`
`18:54.18`	`Antiarc`	`It's really bizarre.`
`18:54.27`	`Antiarc`	`Lemme see if I can find the addon.`
`18:54.33`	`kergoth`	`thats fine, i expect +45 energy in a single UNIT_ENERGY`
`18:54.46`	`kergoth`	`but i captured the COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE that came immediately before with the +25, and compensate`
`18:54.59`	`kergoth`	`post subtraction -> 20`
`18:55.09`	`Antiarc`	`Huh, ok.`
`18:55.09`	`kergoth`	`it maintains a "pending energy" value`
`18:55.15`	`Antiarc`	`You know about the 19/21 ticks, right?`
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`18:55.53`	`kergoth`	`yep, it actually fluctuates to 24 sometimes`
`18:55.59`	`TheKarn`	`lol fails at ripping adverts`
`18:55.59`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah. It's weird as hell.`
`18:56.02`	`kergoth`	`but i dont capture that, i ignore it and throw away the outlying time value`
`18:56.10`	`kergoth`	`so it wont hose the tick, just one tick is missed`
`18:56.15`	`sylvanaar`	`TheKarn: i commit in little bits`
`18:56.29`	`TheKarn`	`i know sylvanaar`
`18:56.35`	`TheKarn`	`i was poking fun at you`
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`18:56.47`	`kergoth`	`Antiarc: i still wonder if the amount of time between events is a linear relationship with the actual amount of energy received, or something`
`18:56.51`	`kergoth`	`would be nice to predict it`
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`18:57.09`	`Prophy`	`anyone know a mod that shows "mace stuns" into SCT?`
`18:57.12`	`Eej`	`is aguf bar fader going to be fixed anytime soon?`
`18:57.26`	`sylvanaar`	`TheKarn: im just pleased to be back on track - now that the buggrabber thing is fixed im getting errors again`
`18:57.27`	`Antiarc`	`I'm pretty sure people have reported that it's at least partially affected by the client. Speedhackers tend to see stupidly fast energy regen, IIRC. Can't speak from personal experience :P`
`18:57.39`	`Antiarc`	`However, if you hit a lag pocket, energy regen stops, so part of it has to be serverside.`
`18:57.55`	`TheKarn`	`sylvanaar, yeah i had noticed not a lot of addon messages were actually appearing`
`18:58.04`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23590 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: add a fish caught event`
`18:58.41`	`*** join/#wowace mexicaan (n=Miranda@c529c936c.cable.wanadoo.nl)`
`18:58.47`	`Antiarc`	`Prophyy: You can just add an SCT custom event for that`
`18:58.53`	`Thorgard`	`Eej, 'fixed'?`
`18:58.53`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: do you gain energy upon shifting into cat form?`
`18:59.02`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, yeah, 40 from furor`
`18:59.05`	`Antiarc`	`However, the message is "X is afflicted by Mace Stun", so it'll show up on SCT any time anyone within range of you procs maces.`
`18:59.07`	`kergoth`	`okay that makes sense then`
`18:59.11`	`kergoth`	`so it went -100 from the shift`
`18:59.13`	`Antiarc`	`It doesn't include your name, so you can't trap just your own stuns.`
`18:59.14`	`kergoth`	`then +40 from furor`
`18:59.30`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23591 10Cartographer_Stats/Cartographer_Stats.lua: Cartographer_Stats: added a handler for fish caught event`
`18:59.32`	`Thorgard`	`Upon shifting: (DEBUG) kEnergy:[12:59:07.997] +40(DEBUG) kEnergy:[12:59:08.136] Warning! Unexpected energy difference of -100, assuming not a tick.`
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`19:00.25`	`kergoth`	`thats an odd order, you'd expect to see it the other way around, or show that the unexpected amount is -60, not -100`
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`19:00.42`	`kergoth`	`even so, none of that should have effected the tickoffset, it ignored those amounts figuring they werent ticks`
`19:00.43`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23592 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: change the event signature`
`19:01.00`	`Thorgard`	`Well..`
`19:01.20`	`Thorgard`	`I've also the bar to show 'always' yet it doesn't show up until I use something that costs energy.`
`19:02.02`	`Eej`	`Thorgard: well, for some reason i recently updated aguf and now when anyone takes damage the whole bar flashes red, rather than the hp they lost`
`19:02.13`	`Eej`	`or maybe that's just some setting i'm too stupid to change`
`19:02.27`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: it doesnt tick as soon as you enter cat form?`
`19:02.30`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`19:02.53`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, nope, only after I get rid of some energy through skills.`
`19:03.16`	`Thorgard`	`Eej, oh.. dang, you're right. :/`
`19:03.18`	`kergoth`	`damnit. as soon as your energy ticks from 40 to 60, it should pick that up and tick its way to full, and keep going`
`19:03.23`	`kergoth`	`i need a druid`
`19:03.38`	`Thorgard`	`<- druid, sort of.`
`19:03.52`	`kergoth`	`thats what i mean, i need to level mine so i can actually test :P`
`19:04.11`	`Thorgard`	`What level was yours? ;P`
`19:04.19`	`kergoth`	`only 21 :) barely high enough to have cat`
`19:05.48`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23593 10Prat/Prat/modules/ (EventNames.lua UrlCopy.lua): Prat: Restored the url copy menu, and fixed the eventnames menu text`
`19:06.07`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: add a line. after line 118 but before 119 of tick.lua, add self:LevelDebug(2, "Tick: timediff is %s", time - prevtime - self.ticktime)`
`19:06.15`	`kergoth`	`then you'll see each tick it sees`
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`19:07.27`	`kagaro`	`anyone know a way to get the x,y of 5 yards infront of you ?`
`19:07.58`	`Antiarc`	`You can't get rotation information anymore, I believe.`
`19:07.59`	`kergoth`	`hmm, can you programmatically determine the direction you're facing?`
`19:08.00`	`kergoth`	`ah`
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`19:08.18`	`Antiarc`	`So you can get all the points on the circle 5 yards from you, but not the point 5 yards in front of where you're facing.`
`19:08.59`	`sylvanaar`	`kergoth: i have a druid`
`19:09.02`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, p'shaw. ;P [2007/01/05 13:08:13-499-x3]: kEnergy\tick.lua:119: attempt to perform arithmetic on upvalue 'prevtime' (a nil value)`
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`19:10.54`	`kergoth`	`self:LevelDebug(2, "Tick%s", prevtime and ("timediff is %s"):format(time - prevtime - self.ticktime) or "")`
`19:11.00`	`sylvanaar`	`what do you guys think? should I add a warning for the user that the pet action bar is tainted?`
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`19:11.41`	`kergoth`	`well, ": timediff is %s" would be better looking, but hey`
`19:11.52`	`sylvanaar`	`im trying to avoid being associated with the taint`
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`19:12.07`	`Antiarc`	`sylvanaar: I would.`
`19:12.10`	`Prophy`	`are there any mods that will show "Mace Stuns" with a timer bar?`
`19:12.27`	`Antiarc`	`If people use it and say "Oh, this mod is breaking X! I won't use it" and tell their friends, that's bad juju.`
`19:12.30`	`pastamancer`	`sylvanaar: I always associate tekkub with taint`
`19:12.36`	`sylvanaar`	`or even autocorrect for it`
`19:12.36`	`Antiarc`	`If they understand it's not your fault, that makes it easier to PR.`
`19:12.59`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, it magically works now, too.`
`19:13.01`	`sylvanaar`	`i know exactly when it happens, i can lock the pet bar at that point`
`19:13.02`	`kergoth`	`Prophy: chronometer has the mace stun effect`
`19:13.08`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: damnit!`
`19:13.10`	`kergoth`	`i hate that`
`19:13.33`	`Thorgard`	`tickoffset = 0.0748etc.`
`19:14.03`	`Prophy`	`thanks kergoth`
`19:14.29`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: reasonable... sigh.. i hate problems that arent very reproducable :\|`
`19:15.05`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: what about the failure to tick when you're in cat form always, does it show the ticks as your energy rises upon entering cat form?`
`19:15.15`	`kergoth`	`s/always/with shown set to 'always'/`
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`19:15.41`	`Mikma`	`AKX: hi`
`19:15.50`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, it shows the ticker as my energy rises, then the ticker goes away at full energy, yeah.`
`19:15.59`	`kergoth`	`okay, hmm`
`19:16.49`	`kergoth`	`do a /print kEnergy.energyticking, while you're at full energy with it not ticking (and shown set to always)`
`19:17.38`	`kergoth`	`it should show false or nil`
`19:17.38`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23594 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: fixed storage of fish`
`19:17.39`	`Thorgard`	`Showing 'true'.`
`19:18.00`	`kergoth`	`okay, thats why its failing to tick properly.. self.energyticking was supposed to get set to false when you hit full energy.. lets see`
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`19:18.20`	`kagaro`	`so there is no way to get directional radians then ?`
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`19:18.38`	`Antiarc`	`I don't believe so.`
`19:18.42`	`Antiarc`	`Used to be a looooong time ago.`
`19:19.28`	`Elkano`	`~seen kemayo`
`19:19.31`	`purl`	`kemayo is currently on #wowi-lounge (4d 16h 53m 38s) #wowace (4d 16h 53m 38s). Has said a total of 33 messages. Is idling for 12h 49m 18s, last said: 'Ah, shard bags. For the poor raid summon monkeys...'.`
`19:19.46`	`CIA-17`	`03jerry * r23595 10Talented/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Talented: initial import`
`19:19.57`	`Benumbed`	`Is it a bad idea to schedule an event to check for enablemusic every 5 secs? seems it might lead to alot of memory used after a few hours`
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`19:20.18`	`EyeOfHell`	`Hello. I'm new to LUA, and i'm curious - is it any mechanics similiar to C '++' operator in LUA for incrementing counters ?`
`19:20.51`	`Benumbed`	`for i#insertnumber`
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`19:21.12`	`kergoth`	`hmm, Talented?`
`19:21.18`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r23596 10Hemlock/Hemlock.lua: Hemlock: Drycode fix for ticket #89 - nil index in the poisonRequirements hash. Likely due to cache issues, but I think this should solve it.`
`19:21.24`	`CIA-17`	`03jerry * r23597 10Talented/Libs/: Talented - Setting libraries and externals (Automated commit by InBed)`
`19:21.26`	`mjc`	`svk propget svn:externals Henge`
`19:21.26`	`mjc`	`Libs/AceLibrary http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Ace2/TBC/Ace2/AceLibrary`
`19:21.36`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:21.58`	`ckknight`	`EyeOfHell: i = i + 1`
`19:22.07`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: let me know if you're able to capture info during a failure again, need details to fix.`
`19:22.12`	`ckknight`	`EyeOfHell: for most counters, you'd just do for i = 1, 10 do ... end anyway`
`19:22.16`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, will do.`
`19:22.18`	`kergoth`	`sylvanaar: if you wouldnt mind testing kenergy on your druid at some point and see how it behaves, thatd be cool`
`19:22.28`	`mjc`	`I'll test it kergy`
`19:22.51`	`kergoth`	`cool. make sure you test moving into and out of cat form, with varying settings of 'shown`
`19:22.54`	`kergoth`	`'`
`19:23.12`	`EyeOfHell`	`ckknight - thanks`
`19:23.13`	`sbu`	`ewwww`
`19:23.20`	`kergoth`	`blizzard makes me want to strangle someone`
`19:23.24`	`ckknight`	`?`
`19:23.25`	`kergoth`	`or multiple someones`
`19:23.28`	`sbu`	`login server down, wtgf`
`19:23.28`	`kergoth`	`just in general`
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`19:23.29`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`19:23.54`	`mjc`	`k`
`19:24.00`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`19:25.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`EyeOfHell, if you want to do something like j = i++ (post-increment) try this: j,i = i,i+1`
`19:25.05`	`sylvanaar`	`kergoth: sure`
`19:25.07`	`kergoth`	`i bet i know whats causing that issue, Thorgard`
`19:25.10`	`Antiarc`	`sbu, if you're in Eurpoe, there's a major backbone down somewhere, I think.`
`19:25.34`	`snurre`	`http://looking-glass.telia.net/cgi-bin/lg.cgi?query=trace&protocol=IPv4&addr=eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com&router=Stockholm`
`19:25.41`	`snurre`	`one of the paris routers it seems`
`19:25.45`	`Antiarc`	`And there you have it.`
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`19:26.23`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: two things, add self:Debug("Max energy changed to %s", self.maxen) after line 39 in tick.lua, and self.maxen = UnitManaMax("player") after line 173 of addon.lua`
`19:26.33`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: and see if it properly continues to tick after maxing`
`19:26.59`	`sbu`	`Antiarc: yep, EU`
`19:27.11`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, it's Telia, not Blizzard.`
`19:27.23`	`kergoth`	`i think i was assuming that we'd get a UNIT_MAXENERGY upon entering cat form, to set the max energy to 100, but i suspect that that is not the case, so self.maxen is still set to whatever your mana was in caster form :P`
`19:28.40`	`Thorgard`	`Ah, good ol' Telia.`
`19:28.51`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, a'ight.`
`19:28.57`	`kergoth`	`mjc: fixed addoncp/externalscp to 1) obey Config.standalones, and 2) if an external isnt available as a standalone in the lookup table, itll just go ahead and copy it as embedded instead`
`19:29.05`	`kergoth`	`(with a warning)`
`19:29.31`	`mjc`	`cool.`
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`19:30.44`	`SoLoR`	`god damn this talented looks pro and servers down cant test :(`
`19:30.50`	`sbu`	`err well... telia`
`19:31.01`	`SoLoR`	`ye :<`
`19:31.02`	`SoLoR`	`well`
`19:31.06`	`sbu`	`but its for like ~5h now...`
`19:31.17`	`SoLoR`	`blizzard should get 2nd connection`
`19:31.21`	`SoLoR`	`not only using telia...`
`19:31.21`	`kergoth`	`whats talented? talent planner?`
`19:31.28`	`SoLoR`	`hm copy/past`
`19:31.28`	`SoLoR`	`1 --[[`
`19:31.29`	`SoLoR`	`2 _ Talented is a complete rewrite of the Talent Frame using a little bit of Ace.`
`19:31.29`	`SoLoR`	`3`
`19:31.29`	`SoLoR`	`4 _ Talented makes a lot more assumptions than the original Blizzard code about talents.`
`19:31.29`	`SoLoR`	`5`
`19:31.31`	`SoLoR`	`6 _ Talented show all 3 talent tabs at the same time.`
`19:31.33`	`SoLoR`	`7 _ Talented allows to create and store templates`
`19:31.35`	`SoLoR`	`8 ]]`
`19:31.37`	`kergoth`	`ooh`
`19:31.38`	`sbu`	`hm`
`19:31.39`	`sbu`	`WTB`
`19:31.41`	`sbu`	`download`
`19:31.46`	`kergoth`	`its like specialtalent, only maintained and ace`
`19:31.46`	`Antiarc`	`That sounds pretty decently, actually.`
`19:31.47`	`kergoth`	`hurray`
`19:32.02`	`ckknight`	`sounds cool`
`19:32.09`	`sbu`	`yup`
`19:32.17`	`SoLoR`	`jerry have some pro ideas!`
`19:32.34`	`sbu`	`WTB instance coordinates in wow :/`
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`19:32.48`	`ckknight`	`sbu: impossible`
`19:32.51`	`kergoth`	`no offense to jerry, but specialtalent had a show all 3 panes at once view a long time ago, and making a new version in ace2 was on my todo for ages :P`
`19:32.51`	`Thorgard`	`Someone enlighten me, is there a new GMail?`
`19:32.56`	`Antiarc`	`The game doesn't provide coords in instances.`
`19:32.59`	`sbu`	`hmm ckknight: i know, but not for blizz...`
`19:33.00`	`kergoth`	`but i'm sure he did a good job with it, good to see`
`19:33.04`	`sbu`	`yeah i know Antiarc :op`
`19:33.07`	`Antiarc`	`Hehe, ok`
`19:33.24`	`sbu`	`but i dont understand why they dont implement that stuff :/`
`19:33.56`	`sbu`	`they dont want us to see how instances look like?`
`19:34.02`	`SoLoR`	`kergoth ohh ;) didnt know that :)`
`19:34.24`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r23598 10Sanity2/SanityMailbox.lua: Sanity2: Drycode fix to ticket #61: Error when opening mailbox if "All Characters" is selected.`
`19:34.27`	`sbu`	`Thorgard: [18:31] �CIA-17� bima * r23573 Postman/ (. Postman.lua Postman.toc Postman.xml README.txt): Postman: Initial ace2 version; MailTo & CT_MailMod rewrite (NOT copied)`
`19:34.44`	`Thorgard`	`Kewlies.`
`19:34.53`	`Thorgard`	`Can finally replace CT_MailMod.`
`19:35.09`	`Grine`	`ooh postman=gmail2?`
`19:35.17`	`Grine`	`no wait that was bimas`
`19:35.18`	`kergoth`	`i doubt it, bima isnt grennon`
`19:35.23`	`Thorgard`	`Talented needs a 'send spec' option!`
`19:35.28`	`Antiarc`	`That'd be nice.`
`19:35.30`	`Grine`	`<--l2read`
`19:35.32`	`kergoth`	`thatd be cool`
`19:35.40`	`Antiarc`	`Is there an Ace mod that lets you publish and view others' talent specs?`
`19:35.41`	`break19`	`oh, hey look.. its the cartographer guy :p`
`19:35.53`	`Antiarc`	`For example, I install a mod, click to share my talent spec, other people with the mod can view my talent spec.`
`19:35.55`	`ckknight`	`?`
`19:36.13`	`Amadeo`	`Antiarc: That would own`
`19:36.15`	`Antiarc`	`If not, I might have to write it.`
`19:36.20`	`kergoth`	`Antiarc: i doubt it, i'm sure itd be easy enough for jerry to add that to talented`
`19:36.32`	`Antiarc`	`I might have to beg a little for it. :D`
`19:36.39`	`break19`	`ckknight: i added a few bugs to the bug thing on wowinterface.`
`19:36.43`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r23599 10Ace2/AceConsole-2.0/AceConsole-2.0.lua: .AceConsole-2.0 - added fixes for passing groups`
`19:36.44`	`kergoth`	`on another note, lotus notes is the devil`
`19:36.54`	`Amadeo`	`I'd like to be able to make a spec for another class and send it to someone in-game, too`
`19:36.54`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: does that fix type = 'toggle' passing?`
`19:37.07`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: it should, I fixed Dewdrop yesterday`
`19:37.10`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`19:37.33`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23600 10Prat/Prat/ (Prat.lua modules/ChatFrames.lua modules/EventNames.lua): Prat: Added pet frame taint warning, and instructions to remedy.`
`19:38.07`	`Thorgard`	`sylvanaar, does your branch of Prat still need lots of testing?`
`19:38.52`	`kagaro`	`hey ck: while your in aceconsole .. add the confirm option to execute`
`19:39.04`	`sbu`	`mhpf, i'd really like to know which addon causes that 200kb/s increasing raid when joining some raidgrp :/`
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`19:39.22`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: blah, gonna add it to Dewdrop first`
`19:39.22`	`sbu`	`does teksupport still work?`
`19:39.45`	`Matrix110`	`yes`
`19:39.45`	`kagaro`	`k, thats where im using it anyway`
`19:39.57`	`kagaro`	`for the clear all map ntoes option in Notes`
`19:40.04`	`Matrix110`	`atleast it did work when i tried it sbu`
`19:40.08`	`SoLoR`	`sylvanaar events for incoming/outgoing whisper in channelnames must be switched and dont test it with whisering your self... for some reason if you whisper your self you get incoming whisper 1st...`
`19:40.10`	`sbu`	`hmm ok`
`19:40.18`	`sbu`	`gonna try when servers are reachable again :/`
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`19:42.50`	`KarlThePagan`	`looking for cosmos friendly volunteer for my LFG mod!`
`19:42.58`	`mjc`	`http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200701/pup/wickedfiction.gif`
`19:43.02`	`mjc`	`cosmos?!?`
`19:43.12`	`Thorgard`	`lol, mjc`
`19:43.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`I want the biggest audience possible ;)`
`19:43.30`	`mjc`	`usnig cosmos does not give you the biggest audience`
`19:43.37`	`sbu`	`KarlThePagan: screenshots? :p`
`19:43.39`	`Thorgard`	`Cosmos still has an audience?`
`19:43.44`	`mjc`	`post it on curse and keep it in the top 10 recently updated`
`19:43.45`	`Matrix110`	`more then you think:P`
`19:43.48`	`SoLoR`	`cosmos still exists?`
`19:43.50`	`nickenyfiken`	`Cosmos still exist?`
`19:43.53`	`SoLoR`	`hah`
`19:43.54`	`nickenyfiken`	`lol`
`19:43.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`sbu, old screenshot http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v186/karlp/wow/?action=view&current=grouper2.jpg`
`19:44.05`	`KarlThePagan`	`but mostly representative of the functionality`
`19:44.17`	`mjc`	`cute, but that looks like titan panel almost`
`19:44.19`	`sbu`	`hm`
`19:44.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`it is titan`
`19:44.34`	`KarlThePagan`	`err`
`19:44.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`no`
`19:44.35`	`sbu`	`using blizz lfg stuff?`
`19:44.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`it is FuBar`
`19:44.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`yes blizz lfg`
`19:44.50`	`mjc`	`yeah but it looks like a titan theme or something`
`19:44.51`	`mjc`	`scary`
`19:44.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`lol the proof of concept is 100% ace`
`19:44.54`	`Matrix110`	`nobody uses Blizz LFG:-(`
`19:45.02`	`KarlThePagan`	`Matrix110, this mod will solve that`
`19:45.05`	`sbu`	`oh dont say that Matrix110`
`19:45.14`	`sbu`	`i was in ubrs 3 days ago...`
`19:45.18`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`19:45.19`	`sbu`	`but well...`
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`19:45.29`	`sbu`	`lvl 54 tank, 59 shaman, ...`
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`19:45.35`	`Matrix110`	`They spam our /1 /2 with LFG crap and the LookingForGroup Chan was ressed by quite alot people!`
`19:45.36`	`sbu`	`never again :p`
`19:46.03`	`Matrix110`	`and why cant i still connect ffs-.-`
`19:46.08`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23601 10ag_UnitFrames/ (6 files in 2 dirs):`
`19:46.08`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`19:46.08`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:46.08`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`19:46.31`	`Thorgard`	`Uh oh.`
`19:46.38`	`mjc`	`I use it`
`19:47.30`	`Thorgard`	`I use /lfm!`
`19:47.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`the dungeon matching system is basically a portable meetingstone`
`19:47.32`	`kergoth`	`i use the lfg system too, though i dont enable the autojoin/invite part of it, it isnt smart enough fro that`
`19:48.32`	`kergoth`	`what the heck kind of vim tip is this - http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=1457`
`19:48.40`	`sylvanaar`	`can you guys try out the taint warning i added (if you are running prat 2)`
`19:48.41`	`Fisker-`	die ag`
`19:48.49`	`mjc`	`sylvanaar prat 2 ?`
`19:49.01`	`Thorgard`	`rates it as lifechanging`
`19:49.21`	ag`	`Fisker-, l2p`
`19:49.42`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23602 10ag_UnitFrames/layouts/ABF.lua:`
`19:49.42`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`19:49.42`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`19:50.04`	`Fisker-`	`i already did`
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`19:50.32`	ag`	`so did you game explode after svn update?`
`19:50.41`	`mjc`	ag`_: you murdered my brain
`19:50.54`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23603 10Prat/Prat/modules/ChatFrames.lua: Prat: slightly better taint handling for pet action bar`
`19:51.04`	`sbu`	`sylvanaar: uhm - whats the difference between prat trunk and your branch? :o`
`19:51.06`	`mjc`	`pet action bar ????`
`19:51.12`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, the title of that tip is quite possibly the best part of it.`
`19:51.24`	`sylvanaar`	`mjc: yes`
`19:51.27`	`Fisker-`	`i don't update through the svn`
`19:51.33`	`mjc`	`sylvanaar: on a chat mod?!???`
`19:51.49`	`mjc`	`going to bwl tonight kerg ?`
`19:51.53`	`sylvanaar`	`mjc: would you like prat to be blamed for it instead?`
`19:52.08`	`mjc`	`sylvanaar: PAB bugs out prat? whoa`
`19:52.47`	`sylvanaar`	`mjc: the PAB gets tainted - and its cause is well - unknown`
`19:52.58`	`mjc`	`blizzard bug then probably`
`19:53.01`	`mjc`	`:P`
`19:53.09`	`sylvanaar`	`mjc: maybe, but i dont want bad PR`
`19:53.35`	`sbu`	`sylvanaar: tell meee plz :p`
`19:54.36`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: internal recode, the module system borrows from ora2/bigwigs, and the modules themselves dont hook Addmessage or do any parsing`
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`19:54.59`	`jaete`	`hmm i'm kinda confused about the CodingTips wiki page, could someone give some advice? :)`
`19:55.00`	`sbu`	`ah hm`
`19:55.25`	`jaete`	`i have in my addon things like local defaults = { optionA = -1, optionB = -1, etc }`
`19:55.34`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: no more using gsub to generate patterns of patterns of patterns`
`19:55.40`	`jaete`	`and then MyAddon:RegisterDefaults("profile", defaults)`
`19:56.10`	`jaete`	`is this cool, or should i do something about the defaults table? set it to nil afterwards? or not use a table?`
`19:56.12`	`sbu`	`sylvanaar: so in general - some code optimization?`
`19:56.15`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r23604 10Sanity2/SanityItemTemplate.xml: Sanity2: Drycode commit to fix #116 - error when clicking on a category heading.`
`19:56.16`	`jaete`	`if i'm concerned about performance that is`
`19:56.30`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: yes`
`19:56.43`	`sbu`	`and my game is going to explode?`
`19:56.48`	`jaete`	`it would probably be worse, not better (performance wise) to say MyAddon.defaults = {...} instead of local defaults = {...} right? :]`
`19:56.54`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: yes most likely`
`19:57.13`	`pastamancer`	`jaete: either way is fine`
`19:57.42`	`jaete`	`things like this probably don't matter that much since it's only executed once, but i was just wondering which way is the most efficient`
`19:57.46`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: no, and i would like as many people running it as possible - because it handles chat strings in an entirely different way`
`19:58.08`	`sbu`	`checkout`
`19:58.14`	`jaete`	`ok, does it matter whether i say defaults = nil after i'm done using it?`
`19:58.31`	`pastamancer`	`jaete: don't nil the defaults table`
`19:58.34`	`sbu`	`sylvanaar: but it uses trunk as codebase? (and not too old stuff)`
`19:58.39`	`Eternally777`	`jaete: I assume this is an Ace2 addon?`
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`19:58.42`	`jaete`	`and about functions, what's the difference between function foo() and local function foo()? :)`
`19:58.46`	`jaete`	`yep ace2`
`19:58.55`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: what?`
`19:58.57`	`sbu`	`uhm`
`19:59.09`	`Eternally777`	`local function foo() can only be called within the scope it's defined.`
`19:59.09`	`sbu`	`it conaints all "features" from trunk? :p`
`19:59.16`	`testify`	`There are a few screenshots on the forums of a nice shiny style with rounded edges for BT3. Anyone know where they can be downloaded?`
`19:59.17`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: yes`
`19:59.34`	`kergoth`	`jaete: if its local defaults, theres no need to nil it out, it goes away when the scope ends anyway.`
`19:59.38`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: all the modules have been updated`
`19:59.50`	`Eternally777`	`function foo() should be function MyAddon:foo() to make it a method of your mod, and can then be called anywhere in your addon using MyAddon:foo()`
`19:59.52`	`sbu`	`and why Prat and PratX?`
`20:00.23`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: because buggrabber was eating error messages and we couldnt figure out why it wasnt working`
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`20:00.33`	`sbu`	`so which one is correct? :)`
`20:00.39`	`sylvanaar`	`sbu: Prat`
`20:00.43`	`sbu`	`ok, thakns`
`20:00.51`	`Codayus`	`In general, it's nicer to stick your addons methods into a table, rather than make them local. You never know when some other addon is going to want to call it, or check what your data is, or something...`
`20:01.18`	`Codayus`	`It aids interoperability. :-)`
`20:01.30`	`sylvanaar`	`you can just stick them in your AceAddon derived taible`
`20:01.34`	`jaete`	`hmm... i assume all the "local whatever = ..." stuff is fine then, as the scope should prevent any collisions, and also i guess locals get gc'd right after the scope ends`
`20:01.50`	`sylvanaar`	`MyAddon:Func()`
`20:01.56`	`sbu`	`~seen Kodewulf`
`20:02.17`	`purl`	`kodewulf <n=kodewulf@220-253-56-64.VIC.netspace.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5h 2m 15s ago, saying: 'kagaro: thank you. also you could email me a SV file at kodewulf@gmail.com then i can start building a default dataset...'.`
`20:02.17`	`Eternally777`	`jaete: correct.`
`20:02.18`	`kergoth`	`its just like private vs public/protected in some other languages. it should only be local if you truly need it hidden (i.e. its implementation details that you dont even want people poking into, they should comply with the provided interface)`
`20:02.48`	`Codayus`	`jaete: As long as your really sure that you won't need it outside the scope, local function foo() is fine. But I can't count the number of times where I've run into a local variable or function in someones addon, and wished they hadn't made it local. :-)`
`20:03.19`	`Codayus`	`Yeah, what kergoth said. If your providing a public API, then making the internal details local is good. :-)`
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`20:06.11`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: you test that self.maxen change yet? curious if it fixed the shown behavior`
`20:06.30`	`kergoth`	`meh, is today over yet?`
`20:07.04`	`ckknight`	`kagaro, others: what should be the default confirm message?`
`20:07.06`	`ckknight`	`[`
`20:07.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`SUBMIT!`
`20:07.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`;)`
`20:07.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok/cancel <-- classic`
`20:07.45`	`kagaro`	`"Are you sure you wish to perform '%desc'"`
`20:07.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh message (not buttons0`
`20:08.16`	`kagaro`	`KarlThePagan: yead`
`20:08.24`	`kagaro`	`s/%desc/%s/`
`20:08.33`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: hrm.`
`20:08.42`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: it'll be Accept/Cancel, actually`
`20:09.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`what was that line about the oppressive web and all these "submit" buttons...`
`20:09.27`	`kagaro`	`if someone sets comfirm to true, they really are saying 'just make sure the user know this is gona do something they cant undo'`
`20:09.41`	`sbu`	`ckknight: hmm - what are you doing? :o`
`20:09.55`	`kagaro`	`vs. if they set confrim = 'my special message' they are being more specific on what to inform the user of`
`20:09.57`	`ckknight`	`sbu: confirm option for Dewdrop/AceConsole`
`20:10.03`	`sbu`	`ah :)`
`20:10.42`	`break19`	`ckknight: I kinda like "I said yes!" "Maybe not"`
`20:11.03`	`ckknight`	`basically.`
`20:11.42`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23605 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: Added a generic 'School' type of fish`
`20:12.26`	`break19`	`i yearn for the ability to make my hotspot map moveable... :p`
`20:13.48`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23606 10Prat/ (Prat-BadBranch/ PratX/): Renamed remotely`
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`20:16.32`	`sbu`	`lala, telia`
`20:16.50`	`nickenyfiken`	`is EU realms up now?`
`20:17.03`	`sbu`	`no...`
`20:17.10`	`sbu`	`well yes, they are up`
`20:17.13`	`sbu`	`but you cant connect`
`20:17.25`	`sbu`	`thanks to some routing stuff i guess`
`20:17.27`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r23607 10Cartographer_Import/ (Cartographer_Import.toc Import.lua): Cartographer_Import: Added fishing support for the import`
`20:17.32`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, yeah, it's workin' good.`
`20:17.46`	`Hjalte`	`I'm logged in on dunemaul-eu but it's lagging a lot and people are getting disconnected.`
`20:18.45`	`Antiarc`	`If I have a table "tList", can I now perform tList:sort() rather than table.sort(tList...) ?`
`20:18.55`	`Antiarc`	`(not in a position to test it ATM...)`
`20:19.03`	`todd`	`does anyone here use XArt with Bartender3?`
`20:19.39`	`pastamancer`	`Antiarc: nope :(`
`20:19.42`	`Antiarc`	`I do, todd`
`20:19.46`	`Antiarc`	`pastamancer: Bleh!`
`20:19.57`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: cool, thanks`
`20:20.00`	`CIA-17`	`03kergoth * r23608 10kEnergy/ (addon.lua tick.lua):`
`20:20.00`	`CIA-17`	`kEnergy: as it appears that UNIT_MAXENERGY does not fire for druids upon`
`20:20.00`	`CIA-17`	`entering cat form (unsurprising, really, just didn't think about it), set the`
`20:20.00`	`CIA-17`	`max energy upon entering cat form for the first time. Should fix the 'shown'`
`20:20.00`	`CIA-17`	`behavior not working properly for druids.`
`20:20.03`	`pastamancer`	`setmetatable(tList, { __index = table })`
`20:20.23`	`todd`	`Antiarc, do you use the default background for XArt?`
`20:20.26`	`Antiarc`	`Yeh.`
`20:20.35`	`Antiarc`	`pastamancer: I know I can do that, but not worth it when I just use the table once :/`
`20:20.39`	`mjc`	`kergoth: sucks`
`20:20.39`	`Antiarc`	`It'd just be a nice little detail to have.`
`20:20.42`	`todd`	`what settings do you use for BT3 so that it aligns properly with the background?`
`20:20.51`	`pastamancer`	`Antiarc: indeed`
`20:20.54`	`Antiarc`	`I think I'm at...85% scale, with some padding. Don't remember how much.`
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`20:21.19`	`Antiarc`	`It doesn't aligh pixel-perfectly, but it's close enough for me.`
`20:21.19`	`dafire`	`sylvanaar ? ;)`
`20:23.05`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23609 10Prat/Prat/ (Prat.lua modules/Buttons.lua modules/ChatFrames.lua): Prat: Changed toggle template to accept order as its value, not just true. Noted the button module has performance issues in the tooltip.`
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`20:25.43`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r23610 10Sanity2/ (4 files):`
`20:25.43`	`CIA-17`	`Sanity2: Drycode commits! Use this build at your own risk! They'll be tested and debugged tonight :P`
`20:25.44`	`CIA-17`	`- Added code to init to cause SanityFrame to rescale itself properly on a new session start.`
`20:25.44`	`CIA-17`	`- Added line item fading to items that you can't interact with, and added red coloring to item icons on items that you can't use.`
`20:25.44`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed tickets #64 and #121 - was sorting the wrong table. Oops.`
`20:26.01`	`andremar`	`todd: I think I have padding = 9 and style = zoomed`
`20:26.01`	`Antiarc`	`Good lord, that commit set off my highlight like nobody's business.`
`20:26.06`	`andremar`	`and it aligns properly enough for me`
`20:26.19`	`Nickenyfiken`	`oh yeah drycoded addons ftw`
`20:26.20`	`Antiarc`	`todd: I'm also using cyCircled, so eh.`
`20:26.28`	`haste`	`Antiarc: how?`
`20:26.31`	`todd`	`ah`
`20:26.41`	`Antiarc`	`I have "Sanity" as one of my highlights and I used it 3 times in that commit :P`
`20:26.48`	`Antiarc`	`Along with my name.`
`20:26.48`	`dafire`	`sylvanaar ping ;)`
`20:26.53`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Antiarc: if your drycode doesnt work ill come after you :-P`
`20:26.59`	`Antiarc`	`Nickenyfiken: cower`
`20:27.17`	`haste`	`ah, that explains it :)`
`20:27.26`	`Nickenyfiken`	`gonna try out Talented now... looks awsome`
`20:27.28`	`Antiarc`	`It probably won't. I'm marvelous at making small little mistakes in my drycode commits.`
`20:27.35`	`TheKarn`	`wow the Goa'uld use NEC tft monitors`
`20:27.48`	`Antiarc`	`TheKarn: Well, they ARE technological parasites.`
`20:27.58`	`TheKarn`	`lol`
`20:27.59`	`Antiarc`	`Maybe they raided a dumpster.`
`20:28.01`	`Nickenyfiken`	`yeah i know my drycode skill is like 5/300`
`20:28.27`	`pastamancer`	`luac -p makes dry-coding much easier`
`20:29.10`	`Antiarc`	`Mine are generally logic rather than syntax errors.`
`20:29.13`	`TheKarn`	`you know your teh win when you can drycode something in notepad and it works first time`
`20:29.17`	`kergoth`	`pastamancer: indeed`
`20:29.26`	`kergoth`	`better than nothing at least`
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`20:29.35`	`kergoth`	`need to get wowbench working for the 2.0 changes and lua 5.1 though`
`20:29.42`	`pastamancer`	`kergoth: do you have any elisp to run luac -p on the current buffer?`
`20:29.45`	`mjc`	`TheKarn: you know you are the win when you can drycode everything in ed and it very rarely has bugs :)`
`20:29.50`	`Antiarc`	`I drycoded Hemlock in its entirety and I only had minor changes to make it actually work :D`
`20:29.51`	`mjc`	`pastamancer: sec, I have some`
`20:29.55`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Antiarc: i usually have both but syntax erros is most common i guess`
`20:29.57`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r23611 10Ace2/AceConsole-2.0/AceConsole-2.0.lua: .AceConsole-2.0 - added confirm option to AceOptions data table.`
`20:29.59`	`pastamancer`	`mjc: <3`
`20:29.59`	`kergoth`	`naw, i'm a vim guy generally. use emacs and nano occasionally, but not often`
`20:30.03`	`TheKarn`	`mjc what's ed?`
`20:30.17`	`kergoth`	`i have a vim lua compiler plugin, though i doubt that helps you any :P`
`20:30.42`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r23612 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: .Dewdrop-2.0 - added confirm option to AceOptions data table.`
`20:31.17`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: ping`
`20:31.24`	`kagaro`	`:pong`
`20:31.50`	`pastamancer`	`TheKarn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_%28text_editor%29`
`20:32.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`kergoth, wowbench <3`
`20:32.11`	`kagaro`	`ill check it out when I get home tonight ck to see the action!`
`20:32.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'm using SciTE myself`
`20:32.27`	`TheKarn`	`Scintilla is nice`
`20:32.29`	`sbu`	`ckknight: i guess you dont want to code some alternative display method for AceOptionsTable thing? :o some fancy windows with tabs, buttons, sliders, and so on ;)`
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`20:32.41`	`TheKarn`	`kergoth, and ed is too complex ... it supports regex`
`20:32.46`	`Amadeo`	`I'm unsure why people like using text editors that are complicated`
`20:33.01`	`ckknight`	`sbu: we have Dewdrop, it works now. I don't really see a reason right now to code something else.`
`20:33.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`SciTE is actually fairly minimal`
`20:33.01`	`TheKarn`	`i like code-folding`
`20:33.06`	`pastamancer`	`yeah, TECO is good enough for anyone`
`20:33.08`	`mjc`	`TheKarn: vi without the visual part`
`20:33.11`	`ckknight`	`sbu: it has the opportunity to, though.`
`20:33.15`	`kergoth`	`i use editors that provide flexible mechanisms to increase my efficiency`
`20:33.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`folding and the api tooltips are its only features really`
`20:33.21`	`mjc`	`pastamancer: lua-mode.el`
`20:33.24`	`mjc`	`http://lua-users.org/files/wiki_insecure/editors/lua-mode.el`
`20:33.28`	`kergoth`	`complexity is a given when its sufficiently flexible`
`20:33.41`	`pastamancer`	`mjc: oh, I have lua-mode, I guess I should actually look at it sometime`
`20:33.43`	`sbu`	`ckknight: well, its all menu-based - i thought about something more static :o (like fixed windows)`
`20:33.54`	`Amadeo`	`not necessarily, you can still make it easy to use along with the complexity`
`20:33.55`	`ckknight`	`like Khaos :-P`
`20:34.00`	`Thorgard`	`Hmm, someone do me a favor and type my nick.`
`20:34.02`	`sbu`	`wait... :p`
`20:34.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`Thorgard, pingtest!`
`20:34.08`	`mjc`	`Thorgard`
`20:34.09`	`break19`	`Thorgard: why?`
`20:34.12`	`TheKarn`	`i use notepad++ sometimes`
`20:34.15`	`mjc`	`Thorgard`
`20:34.17`	`haste`	`Amadeo: If you just try, for example: vim, you would understand why`
`20:34.29`	`mjc`	`TheKarn: almost as bad as S[H]iTE`
`20:34.38`	`sbu`	`ckknight: yeah, like khaos :p`
`20:34.50`	`mjc`	`hahah`
`20:34.51`	`ckknight`	`Thorgard:`
`20:34.51`	`sbu`	`if its doing what i can assume from screenshots`
`20:34.55`	`Thorgard`	`Meh. :(`
`20:35.08`	`Thorgard`	`break19, I just wanted to know how it felt to be popular.`
`20:35.14`	`Thorgard`	`.. testing highlights.`
`20:35.17`	`kergoth`	`part of vim's efficiency, particularly in normal mode, stems from the small number of keystrokes necessary to accomplish a goal, and the position of those keys. i cannot see any way to make that any more user friendly without sacrificing the efficiency.`
`20:35.29`	`Amadeo`	`Well, something like MacOS X is complex under all of the ease-of-use`
`20:35.39`	`break19`	`Thorgard: heh my irc client highlights automatically :p`
`20:36.20`	`TheKarn`	`Amadeo, MacOS Philosophy dictates that You do not use a computer, a computer uses you.`
`20:36.38`	`break19`	`TheKarn: and what makes you think that?`
`20:36.45`	`Thorgard`	`For some reason the highlights aren't working at all for me. ;)`
`20:36.53`	`Amadeo`	`TheKarn: Isn't that one of those Soviet jokes? :P`
`20:36.58`	`Antiarc`	`I think vim's whole...essence were break if it was user-friendly-ified.`
`20:37.07`	`Antiarc`	`s/were/would/`
`20:37.12`	`testify`	`Anyone know of a utility to monitor the resources being used by individual addons?`
`20:37.25`	`Antiarc`	`Warmup kinda does it.`
`20:37.46`	`Amadeo`	`So vim is the only editor that can do what it does? I'm sure there are great alternatives these days that are easier to use`
`20:37.51`	`mjc`	`emacs is pwn`
`20:38.04`	`kergoth`	`Amadeo: none are as efficient for those that know how to use it.`
`20:38.04`	`break19`	`emacs? would you like a kitchen sink with your memory hog?`
`20:38.09`	`kergoth`	`imo of course`
`20:38.18`	`Antiarc`	`I use UltraEdit and am quite happy with it.`
`20:38.25`	`kergoth`	`once again, short keystrokes positioned well is part of it, and your user interface change would reduce the efficiency greatly`
`20:38.29`	`break19`	`<- uses nano or TextEdit`
`20:38.29`	`kergoth`	`not that hard to understand`
`20:38.38`	`Antiarc`	`My co-worker uses vim, and we're both very efficient.`
`20:38.53`	`Antiarc`	`I probably use more keystrokes, but eh, I know it and am good with it, and I'm damned fast. :P`
`20:38.55`	`mjc`	`kergoth: I used vim for years and switched to emacs recently. seems a lot more organized like my brain`
`20:38.57`	`kergoth`	`then either you're unusually so, or he doenst know his editor`
`20:39.10`	`Thorgard`	`break19!`
`20:39.14`	`Antiarc`	`Well, I'm known to be one of the fastest coders in the office. shrug`
`20:39.16`	`break19`	`Thorgard!`
`20:39.22`	`Amadeo`	`It seems more like it comes down to ones willingness to learn another editor as much as someone might know vim, or another`
`20:39.44`	`kergoth`	`i disagree. many editors would require me to take my hands off the home row to use the mouse to accomplish many things`
`20:39.56`	`Thorgard`	`G'damnit. why isn't it working? ;P`
`20:39.59`	`break19`	`mirc. lol`
`20:40.02`	`mjc`	`Amadeo: vim and emacs have the most spare code to do whatever you can imagine already written`
`20:40.03`	`kergoth`	`or would involve key combinations that involve more reaching with the fingers`
`20:40.08`	`dafire`	`i prefer vim when editing remotely`
`20:40.11`	`kergoth`	`indeed`
`20:40.16`	`Thorgard`	`break19, yeah, I'd rather be using irssi.`
`20:40.23`	`break19`	`<- uses x-chat`
`20:40.32`	`mjc`	`ERC`
`20:40.42`	`TheKarn`	`i use HydraIRC`
`20:40.48`	`mjc`	`ERC = irc for emacs`
`20:40.48`	`mjc`	`:D`
`20:40.50`	`Amadeo`	`Are there any editors that let you define keystrokes?`
`20:40.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`xchat win32`
`20:41.09`	`mjc`	`Amadeo: emacs has a web browser, tetris clone, mp3 player...`
`20:41.18`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r23613 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (Bars/Stuns.lua Core.lua RuleSet.lua): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - Remorseless attacks + Blade Twisting should work`
`20:41.25`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`20:41.31`	`break19`	`mjc: as I said, emacs... includes the kitchen sink`
`20:41.55`	`break19`	`9meg CLI text editor... geeez`
`20:42.26`	`Codayus`	`emacs is where its at. :-)`
`20:42.42`	`break19`	`yea, cuz it's too big and bulky for anyone to move it elsewhere`
`20:42.43`	`ckknight`	`wow, looking through CT_MapMod, it could really be improved`
`20:42.54`	`Codayus`	`ckknight: Heh, there's a big surprise....`
`20:43.11`	`Nickenyfiken`	`ckknight: hehe lucky you already did it then`
`20:43.23`	`ckknight`	`Nickenyfiken: ?`
`20:43.27`	`Josh_Borke`	`haste: ping`
`20:43.37`	`Nickenyfiken`	`i mean Cartographer`
`20:43.41`	`break19`	`nooooo.. really? man.. ct stuff is sooo efficient.. must be some little known tricks somewhere :p`
`20:43.54`	`TheKarn`	`wow, looking through CT_[a-zA-Z0-9]+, it could really be improved`
`20:43.54`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Cartographer*`
`20:43.56`	`mjc`	`calc, calendar, Dunenet, ediff, emacs/w3, gnus, mule, info, emacs-wiki, planner, tetris, pong, erobot, chess, zone, morse-region, solitaire, life, blackbox...`
`20:43.59`	`kergoth`	`emacs and vim are both highly flexible and efficient. to compare them to ultraedit... they're in different leagues. when i want to change an aspect of editor behavior in vim or emacs, i go write a script to make it do exactly what i want. last i checked, you cant exactly do that in ultraedit`
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`20:44.59`	`haste`	`Josh_Borke: pong`
`20:45.09`	`Tuller`	`eew, you have to write a script to configure something? :P`
`20:45.10`	`Codayus`	`jedit comes closer than most...`
`20:45.18`	`ckknight`	`yea, seriously could be improved.`
`20:45.28`	`Codayus`	`Tuller: Not to configure, to change basic functionality of the editor.`
`20:45.30`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23614 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua:`
`20:45.30`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`20:45.30`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:45.34`	`kergoth`	`right`
`20:45.40`	`ckknight`	`oh well`
`20:45.46`	`ilifin`	`ag`
`20:45.49`	`ilifin`	`that is such a bad chance`
`20:45.52`	`ilifin`	`change* :<`
`20:45.52`	`Baps`	`emacs is a lisp evaluation engine that's disguised as an editor`
`20:45.53`	`Baps`	`=)`
`20:45.55`	`ilifin`	`make it an option atleast`
`20:45.57`	`mjc`	`tuller: like implementing different spellcheck behavior or a new syntax highlighting mode etc`
`20:46.03`	`mjc`	`Baps: fuck yeah`
`20:46.14`	`TheKarn`	`can someone try TheKarn: ping`
`20:46.19`	`Codayus`	`The old joke about emacs is that it'd be a great OS, if only someone would write a decent text editor to run on it...`
`20:46.23`	`kergoth`	`when you want to change the tab key to insert an indent when at beginning of line, or make it -align- (spaces, not tabs, always) when not, for example, thats where you'd write a script (in this case, i wrote one to do that)`
`20:46.28`	`mjc`	`Eight Megs And Continually Swapping`
`20:46.37`	`Baps`	`8m is nothing these days.`
`20:46.44`	`mjc`	`Baps: old nickname :)`
`20:46.47`	`Baps`	`I've got lua mods that use more. =)`
`20:46.50`	`Codayus`	`mjc: That's a very very old joke about emacs.`
`20:46.57`	`Baps`	`mjc: I'm an old fart. been using emacs 15 years now`
`20:46.58`	`mjc`	`Codayus: I use it :)`
`20:47.00`	`CIA-17`	`03jerry * r23615 10Talented/editmode.lua: Talented: bugfix`
`20:47.11`	`mjc`	`Baps: vim for 10, emacs nwo`
`20:47.12`	`mjc`	`now`
`20:47.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`everyone should listen to the ckknight interview and then read the bullshit cide spewed in #wowi-lounge`
`20:47.29`	`Baps`	`I know enough vi to edit the makefile for emacs. =)`
`20:47.31`	`Codayus`	`On a related note, ECB and the Semantic Bovinator are awesome.`
`20:47.35`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23616 10Prat/Prat/modules/UrlCopy.lua: Prat: Don't attempt URL copying on chatlink itemlinks`
`20:47.38`	`pastamancer`	`I still haven't found a text editor that handles text indenting and fill/wrap as well as emacs`
`20:47.38`	`Codayus`	`Baps: I recommend nano for that.`
`20:47.41`	`kergoth`	`i started with pico`
`20:47.43`	`kergoth`	`long ago`
`20:47.48`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: nano ftw ;-)`
`20:48.02`	`kergoth`	`:) nano's still a great editor for those new to linux, easy to use`
`20:48.02`	`KarlThePagan`	`nano == gnu pico`
`20:48.09`	`ckknight`	`yep.`
`20:48.12`	`kergoth`	`yeah, pico had problematic licensing`
`20:48.32`	`Baps`	`I've never bothered with nano.. it didn't ship with sunos or aix or hp/ux`
`20:48.44`	`sylvanaar`	`dafire: eh?`
`20:48.45`	`Baps`	`but vi is everywhere`
`20:48.55`	`break19`	`kergoth: new hell.. I've been around the unix cli since 93... and I STILL use nano :)`
`20:49.18`	`Codayus`	`I use nano on a new system right up until i get emacs running.`
`20:49.18`	`Tuller`	`nano is notepad`
`20:49.18`	`Baps`	`break: that's about the time that pico started. it wasn't around (nor pine) in 1990`
`20:49.31`	`Baps`	`elm baybee!`
`20:49.33`	`dafire`	`sylvanaar: should i update translations in the prat branch if it bugs because theyre missing ? :)`
`20:49.47`	`Baps`	`or mailx`
`20:49.55`	`kergoth`	`Baps: yea, thats why i stopped using nano and emacs, started having to work with numerous unix os's, vi was a necessity`
`20:49.56`	`sylvanaar`	`dafire: sure, you mean the trunk?`
`20:50.04`	`dafire`	`no .. your branch :)`
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`20:50.09`	`sylvanaar`	`dafire: sure`
`20:50.21`	`Baps`	`kergoth: since I controlled the boxes, adding emacs wasn't that big a chore`
`20:50.22`	`dafire`	`k :9`
`20:50.22`	`mjc`	`hahah`
`20:50.31`	`Codayus`	`kergoth: I think that says more about vi than humanity. sniff`
`20:50.42`	`Baps`	`I did unix device driver development from 1995-2001`
`20:50.46`	`Codayus`	`Whereas emacs is just intuitive. :-)`
`20:50.48`	`kergoth`	`ah, cool`
`20:50.57`	`Codayus`	`(Note: Yes, I'm joking...)`
`20:51.11`	`sylvanaar`	`dafire: there are still some redundant strings in the locals`
`20:51.11`	`Baps`	`sunos, solaris, aix, irix, hp/ux and linux`
`20:51.13`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23617 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua:`
`20:51.13`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`20:51.13`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:51.16`	`kergoth`	`all i remember about emacs is how to save and quit`
`20:51.34`	`dafire`	`sylvanaar: it bugged because deDE has some translations that are not longer used ,9`
`20:51.35`	`kergoth`	`i worked for digi international, aka digiboard`
`20:51.36`	`Baps`	`some of the other guys did NT, digital unix/tru64`
`20:51.39`	`mjc`	`this is the year where hope fails you!`
`20:51.42`	`Baps`	`kergoth: so did I`
`20:51.51`	`Baps`	`I was with Central Data until you bastards bought us. =)`
`20:51.57`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`20:52.01`	`kergoth`	`oddly coincidental`
`20:52.07`	`Baps`	`worked on the acceleport XP linux driver`
`20:52.08`	`sylvanaar`	`dafire: yeah, so does enUS ;)`
`20:52.29`	`Baps`	`and the RAS boards..`
`20:52.41`	`dafire`	`i'd remove first the ones in deDE that are no longer in enUS because of the errors on load .9`
`20:52.47`	`Baps`	`I've still got a bunch of dgii stock I need to unload`
`20:53.01`	`nadas`	`Ominous: you here?`
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`20:53.15`	`mjc`	`WE we are the pulse of the maggots!`
`20:53.22`	`break19`	`i find it interesting that any time someone brings up the subject of cartographer, ck ignores it or changes the subject :P`
`20:53.25`	`sylvanaar`	`dafire: sure - im just letting you know that the locals are still in flux - that's curney's area (menu strings and whatnot)`
`20:53.34`	`kergoth`	`not sure what years i worked at digi, i was the resident linux guy in tech support. main contact in engineering was scott kilau`
`20:53.41`	`dafire`	`k .9`
`20:53.48`	`Baps`	`kergoth: did you end up getting sent to Tokyo?`
`20:54.06`	`ckknight`	`break19: hrm?`
`20:54.10`	`ckknight`	`break19: I'm just busy`
`20:54.20`	`dafire`	`is the carthographer_fishing guy here ? I'd try to get it working with german client ;)`
`20:54.34`	`kagaro`	`im here`
`20:54.51`	`kergoth`	`lets see, i think i left digi in '03 for TI, was there for 3 years roughly, probably wasnt much overlap`
`20:55.03`	`dafire`	`ah :) hi :)`
`20:55.18`	`dafire`	`is it ok if i check in german translation kagaro ?`
`20:55.21`	`Baps`	`not too much. I was laid off (via email since I was in a remote office in Champaign, IL) two weeks after 9/11`
`20:55.25`	`kagaro`	`sure`
`20:55.29`	`dafire`	`thx`
`20:55.46`	`break19`	`ckknight: i mentioned earlier that I'd posted a few bugs, and didnt get so much as a "harumph" lol`
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`20:56.26`	`Dhraga`	`anyone on the eu servers here still having login problems ?`
`20:56.27`	`ckknight`	`break19: I believe you got bugs, you're going to just have to deal with it for now, I have a lot to do`
`20:56.53`	`ckknight`	`break19: honestly, you get what you pay for, don't expect the world for free`
`20:57.00`	`break19`	`ckknight: no problem.. dont get defensive.`
`20:57.16`	`ckknight`	`just seemed like you were the one attacking, is all`
`20:57.18`	`Antiarc`	`Dhraga: There's a Telia router down that's affecting login.`
`20:57.27`	`break19`	`ckknight: i'm not demanded fixes.. just saying I'm tryin to help..`
`20:57.31`	`Dhraga`	`Ah, explains it`
`20:57.38`	`Antiarc`	`break19: Consider filing Trac tickets if you haven't yet`
`20:57.49`	`Antiarc`	`I can't speak for ckknight, but those help me and my development tremendously.`
`20:57.55`	`Antiarc`	`I suspect it's the same for others.`
`20:57.58`	`break19`	`Antiarc: alrdy did.. thats what I was telling him, when he jumped me like that. heh`
`20:58.13`	`Antiarc`	`Ok, great :D`
`20:58.26`	`break19`	`I've submitted them via wowinterface.com`
`20:58.41`	`break19`	`using the bug tracker there.. should I also list em on wowace's bugtracker`
`20:58.42`	`break19`	`?`
`20:58.45`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, probably`
`20:58.49`	`break19`	`kk`
`20:58.49`	`ckknight`	frankly, I consider `<break19> i find it interesting that any time someone brings up the subject of cartographer, ck ignores it or changes the subject :P` an attack.
`20:59.10`	`break19`	`then you need to see the :P at the end.`
`20:59.21`	`kagaro`	`i look at the forums here, not wowinterface for bugs`
`20:59.25`	`Antiarc`	`break19k: http://www.wowace.com/trac/newticket?field_summary=Cartographer:`
`20:59.43`	`ckknight`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Table_costs <--- important for developers who use tables`
`20:59.49`	`nymbia`	`not that i saw the first part of this conversation, but, ckknight made some made efficiency improvements to the notes module yesterday, i'd hardly call that 'ignoring'`
`20:59.54`	`Antiarc`	`Oh, nice, ckknight. Nice.`
`20:59.56`	`Silviu--`	ag` can u group party now ? can�t seem to find the option for it
`21:00.19`	`nymbia`	`ckknight: ooh, very handy.`
`21:00.23`	`ckknight`	`yea, I've been dealing with table efficiency recently, figure it's important to post my results and such`
`21:00.27`	`ckknight`	`especially the weird cases`
`21:00.36`	`Antiarc`	`I appreciate it. I've been working on trying to improve my table usage myself.`
`21:00.45`	`ckknight`	`{ 'alpha', 'bravo', 'charlie', 'delta', 'echo' } vs. { 'alpha', 'bravo', 'charlie', 'delta', 'echo', foxtrot = nil }`
`21:00.50`	`ckknight`	`the latter takes up 28 more bytes`
`21:00.59`	`ckknight`	`despite having the same contents in the end`
`21:01.26`	`Antiarc`	`won't it have a ["foxtrot"] = nil entry?`
`21:01.43`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc: nils aren't stored.`
`21:01.51`	`Antiarc`	`Hm. I thought they were, for some reason.`
`21:01.52`	`kagaro`	`anyone know how to determine a frames orientation relative to the screen? i.e. how much it is rotated`
`21:02.17`	`soulz2003`	`do you need the gatherer folder and cartographer_import to use the gatherer.lua file?`
`21:02.23`	`ckknight`	`don't tease me when I'm sick, mostly.`
`21:02.46`	`ckknight`	`soulz2003: you should just be able to copy the Gatherer.lua file into the Cartographer_Import folder`
`21:02.47`	`ckknight`	`afaik`
`21:02.56`	`kagaro`	`soulz2003: yeah to get the gather.lua to load up for improt to read`
`21:03.03`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight: Maybe the =nil is increasing the size of the table in anticipation of having data for that key, and then nothing is stuck in it.`
`21:03.09`	`Antiarc`	`shrug`
`21:03.12`	`kagaro`	`ck: that works if he modifies the .toc to include it .. thats also works`
`21:03.16`	`todd`	`if I comment out locale files that I don't use in .toc's for my addons, I should have less memory usage, right?`
`21:03.18`	`todd`	`or no?`
`21:03.31`	`nymbia`	`well, it's immediately marked for gc'ing, earlier than the rest of the table, but it still occupys memory space for an instant`
`21:03.49`	`Antiarc`	`Right.`
`21:04.06`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc: that's what happens`
`21:04.09`	`Antiarc`	`Space is allocated for it and never used, so it gets GCd quickly. Could be that the byte count isn't a good metrix there.`
`21:04.14`	`ckknight`	`todd: no`
`21:04.15`	`Antiarc`	`s/metrix/metric/`
`21:04.22`	`soulz2003`	`ckknight: thats odd, i remember doing that last night (i had everything installed--gatherer and cartographer) and it worked. after i deleted my gatherer folder, it ceased to function :\| would it have anything to do with the version of gatherer i used?`
`21:04.24`	`ckknight`	`todd: for AceLocale-2.2, at least.`
`21:04.31`	`todd`	`thanks`
`21:04.41`	`ckknight`	`soulz2003: ah, I'm not sure.....`
`21:04.52`	`Silviu--`	`pastamancer when i enter Av for example i must /rl so the Grid frame will show up`
`21:05.15`	`pastamancer`	`Silviu--: turn on debugging for Grid and GridLayout`
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`21:05.28`	`dafire`	`kagaro: wouldn't it be easier to parse the loot messages instead of scanning the loot window ?`
`21:05.44`	`Silviu--`	`Ok`
`21:05.49`	`Tornhoof`	ag` in your new version, party frames are not anchored anymore ?
`21:06.21`	`kagaro`	`dafire: no i want to get what fish he catches incase he doesnt get to actually loot it .. i.e gets attacked, moves by accident, etc.. and misses the catch`
`21:06.30`	ag`	`Tornhoof, it's a bug`
`21:06.31`	`Silviu--`	`pastamancer will take a time till this Av is over and can enter AB for example and tell u the results`
`21:06.33`	ag`	`I am fixing it right now`
`21:06.52`	`Antiarc`	`kagaro: Can't you check the loot items when the frame opens?`
`21:07.11`	`pastamancer`	ag`: does that mean pet support for the party frames based on the secure state header code I posted on the forums?
`21:07.22`	`kagaro`	`dafire: ive had a lot of instances of opening the fishing loot window and having a mob hit me. Antiarc: I am doing that now, not waiting for loot_gain messages`
`21:07.29`	`Antiarc`	`nod`
`21:07.32`	`Tornhoof`	`ah ok ag`
`21:07.39`	ag`	`pastamancer, no, I haven't tested that out yet`
`21:07.42`	ag`	`will it work?`
`21:07.51`	`pastamancer`	`it works, but not with secure headers`
`21:07.57`	`Prophy`	`any good/fast unitframes for Healers?? AGUF is too slow =(`
`21:08.01`	`pastamancer`	`unitwatch takes care of showing/hiding the frames though`
`21:08.06`	`sbu`	`WTB working EU server :/`
`21:08.08`	`dafire`	`kagaro: ah ok`
`21:08.18`	ag`	`hrm`
`21:08.21`	`pastamancer`	`it will work in 2.0.3 with secure headers with some modifications`
`21:08.24`	ag`	`I need something that works with secure heafers :)`
`21:08.26`	`sbu`	slow? dont tella ag` :p
`21:08.29`	`sbu`	`tell :/`
`21:09.29`	`kagaro`	`does anyone know if you can reference the minimapPlayerModel directly?`
`21:09.33`	ag`	`It annoys me that you can't anchor stuff to where a text string ends`
`21:09.37`	ag`	`it sucks a lot`
`21:10.03`	`pastamancer`	ag`: you can't?
`21:10.06`	`pastamancer`	`oh, right`
`21:10.10`	`pastamancer`	`it doesnt change the width`
`21:10.23`	ag`	`yeah it sucks :(`
`21:10.42`	ag`	`you could do it yourself though`
`21:10.49`	`Codayus`	`Prophy: Grid?`
`21:10.53`	`todd`	`ag_UnitClass.lua:694: attempt to index field 'PortraitModel' (a nil value)`
`21:10.54`	`todd`	`oh noes`
`21:10.59`	ag`	`it's fixed`
`21:11.07`	`todd`	`k`
`21:11.19`	`Antiarc`	`Is it a FontString or ButtonText?`
`21:11.36`	`Prophy`	`ppl who play healer class using ag_uf?`
`21:11.50`	`Antiarc`	`If it's ButtonText, you can anchor it to the button with an X offset of (Button:GetWidth() / 2 + Button:GetTextWidth() / 2)`
`21:12.01`	`grzesieq`	`wtb posting multiple auctions in Fence`
`21:12.13`	`Matrix110`	`Igor's Mass Auction ftw!`
`21:12.28`	`Codayus`	`Prophy: I use ag_uf as a priest.`
`21:12.34`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23618 10ag_UnitFrames/ (4 files in 2 dirs):`
`21:12.35`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`21:12.35`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:12.57`	`Prophy`	`u dont find ag slow on updates?`
`21:13.04`	`sbu`	ag`: my game exploded - cant login anymore :/
`21:13.15`	ag`	`can't login? :D`
`21:13.18`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: thats interesting (the table sizing thing). i presume if you then added a new element, the table size wouldnt change at all, size it was already expanded to hold the nil element`
`21:13.19`	`Tornhoof`	`my brain is slower prophy ;)`
`21:13.25`	`Prophy`	`lol`
`21:13.40`	`Codayus`	`Prophy: Hmm, I only use it for player and target frames in raids. It seems fine though. <shrug>`
`21:13.41`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: lemme test`
`21:13.51`	`sbu`	ag`: you crashed eu servers!! :o
`21:13.53`	`kergoth`	`s/size it was/since it was/`
`21:13.54`	`kergoth`	`silly fingers`
`21:15.13`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: updated`
`21:16.52`	`Sparhawke`	`lol`
`21:17.00`	`Sparhawke`	`my ag party frames are jumping around`
`21:17.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok I'm trying something crazy now - I want to define my core logic and then inject AceAddon into that table (or vice versa) so here's my method - http://ace.pastey.net/4581`
`21:17.14`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: and updated again`
`21:17.25`	ag`	`if you updated aguf within the last 30 minutes you need to update again`
`21:17.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`so my toc will go GrouperCore.lua then GrouperAce.lua`
`21:17.44`	`Dhraga`	`anyone know any free proxys that I can reroute me to the login server ?`
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`21:18.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`public ssl sox proxy?`
`21:18.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`Dhraga, as long as the data you're sending is encrypted maybe use Tor`
`21:19.05`	`Dhraga`	`Hmm okies`
`21:19.09`	`Dhraga`	`I'll look it up`
`21:19.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`Tor is evil... beware`
`21:19.17`	`Dhraga`	`oh ?`
`21:19.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`well if you're a forum admin it is ;)`
`21:19.45`	`Dhraga`	`hehe`
`21:19.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`I had to help one admin ban all Tor hosts because of some spammer`
`21:20.22`	`kagaro`	`hmm is there a global Model list ?`
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`21:21.32`	`CIA-17`	`03pastamancer * r23619 10Grid/GridStatusHeals.lua: Grid: finished Healcomm -> CastCommLib conversion.`
`21:24.33`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r23620 10Manufac/Manufac-Defaults.lua: Manufac: Add Cenarion Herb Bag to tailoring defaults. (where's all my damn TBC defaults?!)`
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`21:33.20`	`naenae`	`Hi everyone, is anyone on the EU servers having trouble getting in the game?`
`21:33.28`	`[dRaCo]`	`yeah`
`21:33.28`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23621 10ag_UnitFrames/layouts/ABF.lua:`
`21:33.28`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`21:33.28`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:33.37`	`[dRaCo]`	`the EU server are pretty fucked atm`
`21:33.58`	`naenae`	`um, well, some can get in, but me and my girlfriend ca not :`
`21:33.58`	`SoLoR`	`[dRaCo] i still cant login from like 15...`
`21:34.25`	`[dRaCo]`	`I could login a while ago`
`21:34.28`	`naenae`	`solor - which server - EU?`
`21:34.30`	`[dRaCo]`	`played for 1h`
`21:34.33`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r23622 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua:`
`21:34.33`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer-Notes:`
`21:34.33`	`CIA-17`	`- added in more security for color conversions`
`21:34.33`	`CIA-17`	`- added fix for defaults (doesn't apply yet, but will later)`
`21:34.45`	`[dRaCo]`	`and then the server went down again`
`21:35.00`	`SoLoR`	`naenae kazzak`
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`21:35.19`	`nymbia`	`ckknight: i added an oddball case to http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Table_costs`
`21:35.37`	`naenae`	`ok#`
`21:35.45`	`naenae`	`dunemaul here`
`21:35.51`	`ckknight`	`which, nymbia?`
`21:36.02`	`nymbia`	`t = { [1] = 'alpha' }; table.insert(t, 'bravo'); table.insert(t, 'charlie'); table.insert(t, 'delta'); table.insert(t, 'echo')`
`21:36.12`	`sergio`	`ckknight: do you think there can be a cartographer "light" branch that just has the bare stuff like foglights and the group icons because editing the fucking toc or deleting modules everytime I update is tedious :)`
`21:36.17`	`sergio`	`or a bat file`
`21:36.26`	`SoLoR`	`sergio just turn off modules?`
`21:36.33`	`SoLoR`	`-.-`
`21:36.35`	`sergio`	`they still load`
`21:36.37`	`sergio`	`no/`
`21:36.44`	`sergio`	`take time to load`
`21:36.48`	`sergio`	`i'm anal`
`21:36.52`	`SoLoR`	`then delete from modules!`
`21:36.53`	`ckknight`	`sergio: just edit out the toc.`
`21:36.58`	`ckknight`	`or delete the modules`
`21:36.59`	`groll`	`hmm ok using standalone libs totally fubared a lot :P`
`21:37.04`	`gxam`	`write a batch file`
`21:37.15`	`sergio`	`i just said everytime I update it goes to hellllllllllllll`
`21:37.19`	`sergio`	`niggas listen`
`21:37.26`	`SoLoR`	`sergio leave empty file then`
`21:37.36`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23623 10ag_UnitFrames/layouts/ABF.lua:`
`21:37.36`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`21:37.36`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:37.37`	`SoLoR`	`if you updating from svn`
`21:37.43`	`SoLoR`	`prolly should do the trick`
`21:37.58`	`sergio`	`i don't ;) but i probably will if it will save me time`
`21:37.59`	`nevcairiel`	`Kemayo: latest quixote throws alot of errors`
`21:38.07`	`nymbia`	`sergio: edit the .toc file. if you're using WAU, just back it up and restore it every time you update`
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`21:39.19`	`ckknight`	`anyone knwo how to spoof BitTyrant to show as another client?`
`21:39.35`	`mjc`	`ckknight: why, it actually helps the network too`
`21:39.49`	`ckknight`	`mjc: because the tracker I want to use blocks it.`
`21:39.49`	`sergio`	`isn't that the java fork of azureus or whatever`
`21:39.54`	`ckknight`	`sergio: yep`
`21:39.55`	`mjc`	`yeah`
`21:40.00`	`haste`	`hmm... Memory clock: -2147483.648 MHz`
`21:40.03`	`ckknight`	`sergio: Azureus is already Java.`
`21:40.04`	`haste`	`that can't be good`
`21:40.16`	`sergio`	`you'd probably have to get the source and remake the jar`
`21:40.20`	`Goeb`	`it's a time machine!`
`21:40.45`	`mjc`	`ckknight: I think it has a config option`
`21:40.45`	`haste`	`:D`
`21:40.49`	`mjc`	`downloading it now`
`21:40.50`	`groll`	`sigh.. back to using embedded libs again i guess.. doing standalone sucks :P`
`21:40.53`	`mjc`	`if not I know there is a plugin for ti`
`21:41.03`	`sergio`	`what's so special about it`
`21:41.07`	`sergio`	`i've been using utorrent`
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`21:41.13`	`sergio`	`is it the latest fad`
`21:41.23`	`mjc`	`improved performance`
`21:41.25`	`pastamancer`	`groll: standalong sucks!`
`21:41.32`	`mjc`	`download rates and upload efficiency`
`21:41.32`	`pastamancer`	`s/standalong/standalone/`
`21:41.45`	`groll`	`pastamancer i noticed :P`
`21:41.45`	`sergio`	`i think i read that it isn't optimal for slow dsl like mine though or someone told me`
`21:41.58`	`mjc`	`asynchronous connections benefit most`
`21:42.04`	`groll`	`almost not a single ace addon loaded when i ran standalone:P`
`21:42.06`	`mjc`	`eg. ADSL`
`21:42.25`	`sergio`	`i'll give it a whirl next time`
`21:42.25`	`mjc`	`groll: one addon probably broke in the middle of loading`
`21:42.31`	`mjc`	`groll: try your framexml.log`
`21:43.00`	`sergio`	`does it have the huge footprint of azureus`
`21:43.15`	`mjc`	`it's just an azu fork`
`21:43.19`	`mjc`	`chill the fuck out`
`21:43.28`	`mjc`	`google it if you need any more info`
`21:43.36`	`groll`	`mjc heh ur quite right.. error error error x1000 :P`
`21:44.24`	`sergio`	`i have but I'd rather talk to people`
`21:44.30`	`sergio`	`than be anti social`
`21:44.34`	`sergio`	`go figure`
`21:44.47`	`Codayus`	`Hmm, what's a quick way to find a frames name?`
`21:44.49`	`groll`	`mjc http://ace.pastey.net/4585 there u go :P errors :p`
`21:44.59`	`groll`	`Codayus moveanything :D`
`21:45.04`	`Codayus`	`....:-(`
`21:45.18`	`_neuron_`	`wow loads addons in alphabetical order right?`
`21:45.38`	`Codayus`	`_neuron_: Usually. On Windows....but not, if memory serves, on Macs.`
`21:46.15`	`_neuron_`	`and tbh it doesn't make much sense to me :P`
`21:46.48`	`Codayus`	`_neuron_: Well, one possible explanation is that they're loading after a mod that needs them.`
`21:47.10`	`_neuron_`	`yeah that's what I was thinking, called the library Ace2-EmbededLibs to try to get it loading early`
`21:47.11`	`Codayus`	`The "proper" fix for that would be to edit the .toc files of your mods to ensure they list your embed library mod as an optional dep.`
`21:47.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`They should be LoD, so they'll load up if a mod needs them.`
`21:47.29`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`presuming all the .tocs are properly done.`
`21:48.09`	`_neuron_`	`ZealotOnAStick, I wrote a little (ok.. admittingly huge) python script that pulls all the embeded libraries and puts em in one directory, and strips unneccesary stuff.`
`21:48.22`	`_neuron_`	`so I dont have one mod per embeded lib, I got one dir called Ace2-EmbededLibs containing all of em.`
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`21:48.36`	`Yinchie`	`mem leaks possible with addons?`
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`21:48.57`	`Hjalte`	`Yinchie: If it is poorly written, then yes`
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`21:49.08`	`Codayus`	`_neuron_: Alright, make the python script adds that as an optional dependency to any mod that you strip embeds from? Or (hackish but should work) change that to !!!Ace2-EmbededLibs?`
`21:49.27`	`kagaro`	`hmm seems no way to get a refernce to the arrow texture on the minimap`
`21:49.27`	`Tain`	`Just remember that the !!! stuff may work, and may not.`
`21:49.40`	`Codayus`	`Yeah, what Tain said.`
`21:49.48`	`krka`	`simple memory leak example: local s = "." function eatMemory() s = s . s end`
`21:49.48`	`Tain`	`And honestly you're just asking for trouble separating all the libs out like that.`
`21:49.49`	`_neuron_`	`Codayus, Why would !!!Ace2-EmbededLibs work, right now it's Capping I'm toying with (and that's breaking), it should load after my A* stuff.`
`21:49.58`	`krka`	`every call to eatMemory would eat more memory and never give it back`
`21:50.01`	`Codayus`	`_neuron_: Magic?`
`21:50.05`	`krka`	`oops... i meant s .. s`
`21:50.09`	`_neuron_`	`Codayus, right :P`
`21:50.13`	`Codayus`	`Hmm, actually, is it possible you've got multiple levels of deps?`
`21:50.14`	`Antiarc`	`krka: Wouldn't it come back when "local s" goes out of scope?`
`21:50.20`	`krka`	`true`
`21:50.28`	`_neuron_`	`very`
`21:50.28`	`krka`	`but who says s ever does?`
`21:50.34`	`groll`	`look what i started just by trying to use standalone libs :P major libs talking :P`
`21:50.35`	`Codayus`	`ie, capping depends on lib A, which needs lib B?`
`21:50.39`	`groll`	`go back to coding damnit ;P`
`21:50.39`	`Fisker-`	`y helo thar _neuron_`
`21:50.42`	`_neuron_`	`that is possible`
`21:50.45`	`Tain`	`_neuron_ on many systems the addons named with characters like ! load before alphanumeric ones. But that's not a guarantee which is why people shouldn't do it.`
`21:50.46`	`Antiarc`	`Well, if you have an infinitely expanding string that is always in scope, then that's less of a memory leak and more of a bad programming decision.`
`21:51.02`	`Tain`	`Antiarc: sounds like the universe!`
`21:51.04`	`_neuron_`	`lo Fisker-`
`21:51.05`	`Codayus`	`In particular, um...make sure Ace2 is loading before the embeded lib mod you made?`
`21:51.08`	`krka`	`there are less obvious examples too`
`21:51.12`	`Antiarc`	`A memory leak is memory that is no longer accessable (goes out of scope) and doesn't get reclaimed, which isn't a problem in GC'd environments like lua.`
`21:51.21`	`_neuron_`	`Codayus, that's why it's called Ace2-EmbededLibs :P, it broke if I called it !!!Ace2-EmbededLibs`
`21:51.22`	`Tain`	`Billyuns and billyuns of strings ago...`
`21:51.26`	`Codayus`	`Ah ha.`
`21:51.54`	`TheKarn`	`i just had a fortune cookie saying "In God we trust, all others must pay cash"`
`21:52.00`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`21:52.02`	`Codayus`	`See, this is why the old !!!Libs folder was removed from the SVN, and everyone started using !!!StandaloneLibs (or whatever the names are) instead.`
`21:52.03`	`Antiarc`	`I mean I could write 'do while true s = (s or "s") .. "s" end' and that'd eat RAM like no tomorrow :P`
`21:52.07`	`Codayus`	`Srsly, it's black magic.`
`21:52.31`	`krka`	`that would freeze wow and then crash, not leak memory :P`
`21:52.36`	`Antiarc`	`It would leak memory, too!`
`21:52.38`	`Antiarc`	`Well, kinda`
`21:52.39`	`Tain`	`Well it's really why people leave the libs in each addon like they're supposed to be.`
`21:52.40`	`Antiarc`	`It wouldn't leak`
`21:52.42`	`Antiarc`	`It'd just eat it.`
`21:52.47`	`Antiarc`	`But yes, it would also lock the UI :D`
`21:52.49`	ag`	`It's actually quite hard to get a right aligned and a left aligned string to share the same area, but never overlap`
`21:52.49`	`kenlyric\|home`	`so, is it time to freak out that aguf no longer seems to save its frame locations to the default profile? Is this a general move for ace addons, or just this one?`
`21:52.51`	`krka`	`and then you'd get it back once the wow process was dead`
`21:52.51`	`Antiarc`	`Single threaded code FTW!`
`21:53.06`	ag`	`kenlyric\|home, huh? It does`
`21:53.25`	`_neuron_`	`I should ditch this idea shouldn't I :P`
`21:53.27`	`kenlyric\|home`	`it's not for me right now.`
`21:53.38`	`_neuron_`	`dammit, I wrote all this horribly complicated code to do it and everything`
`21:53.58`	ag`	`kenlyric\|home, are you saying it's not saving at all?`
`21:54.01`	`kenlyric\|home`	`Every toon I sign on the frames are in the normal upper left corner.`
`21:54.07`	`kenlyric\|home`	`let me check the SV.`
`21:54.46`	`Thorgard`	`Codayus, you need a quick way to find a frame's name?`
`21:54.53`	`Codayus`	`I found it, but thanks.`
`21:54.56`	`todd`	`is there any mod that will let me move the buff and debuff frames?`
`21:55.01`	`Codayus`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:55.13`	`Thorgard`	`Yup, yup.`
`21:55.25`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23624 10Prat/Prat/ (Prat.lua modules/ChannelSticky.lua): Prat: Moved development options to a submenu. Added experimental StickyCaps - will automatically change outgoing strings in all caps to lowercase`
`21:55.30`	`Thorgard`	`todd, Buffalo`
`21:55.59`	`Antiarc`	`The only way to induce a true memory leak in Lua that I can think of is to have a self-referential metatable with strong tables.`
`21:56.25`	`Antiarc`	`Then you could have tables that go out of scope and can't be accessed anymore, but which don't get GCd since their metatables are strong.`
`21:56.52`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23625 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua:`
`21:56.52`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`21:56.52`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:56.57`	`kenlyric\|home`	`ag_Unitframes.luaisn't saving the frame position at all, and I swear that it used to. It would have to save that data somewhere, I would think.`
`21:58.09`	ag`	`try again`
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`21:58.32`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r23626 10Cartographer_Import/Import.lua: Cartographer_Import - fix typo`
`21:59.10`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc: hrm, let's test your theory.`
`21:59.35`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight: http://www.lua.org/pil/17.3.html`
`21:59.38`	`Antiarc`	`Straight out of the PIL :)`
`21:59.57`	`mjc`	`heh`
`21:59.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`todd: try Buffalo`
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`22:01.48`	`mexicaan`	`anyone else failing to connect to eu login server ?`
`22:01.56`	`MoonWolf`	`yep me.`
`22:02.19`	`Antiarc`	`There's a Telia router down that's keeping you from connecting`
`22:02.20`	`Chinku`	`yep, some guild mates tried for 4-5 hours now without success`
`22:02.23`	`Ominous`	`peeps in my guild are`
`22:02.25`	`mexicaan`	`MoonWolf: did you do a tracert?`
`22:02.33`	`Ominous`	`one person who couldnt connect now did`
`22:02.37`	`mexicaan`	`mine fails at Telia too =(`
`22:02.43`	`MoonWolf`	`no, i will not bother debuggin blizzards connections for them.`
`22:03.16`	`mexicaan`	`i read somewhere that Telia had blacklisted a number of IPs`
`22:03.54`	`kenlyric\|home`	ag`: it's not yet updated to the latest version, but it did update to 23623, and now Positions field is back, and it seems to be working.
`22:03.54`	`groll`	`u mean the russian mp3site or what?`
`22:04.06`	ag`	`ok`
`22:04.16`	`jaete`	`is there an easy way in lua to do something like for i in "a" "b" "c" do foo[i] = ... end?`
`22:04.24`	ag`	`well I changed the way positions are saved today`
`22:04.55`	`jaete`	`or do i have to do something like local gnng = {"a", "b", "c"} and then for _, i in pairs(gnng) do foo[i] = ... end? :p`
`22:05.45`	`ckknight`	`jaete: use ipairs, not pairs.`
`22:05.58`	`beerke`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:06.02`	`beerke`	`i think :)`
`22:06.04`	`ckknight`	`it's icky, though.`
`22:06.14`	`kenlyric\|home`	`cool. As long as they are saved :) That's one of my favorite things about the Ace framework... start a new toon and everything is where it's suppose to be. Move something on one and it moves on them all, without reloading profiles on everyone else.`
`22:06.41`	`sbu`	`hah!`
`22:06.41`	`sbu`	`online again`
`22:06.41`	`todd`	`aye, buffalo is nice, thanks guys`
`22:06.41`	`Codayus`	`Someone begged me for cash in IF. I put 50g into the trade window, put him on ignore, and tabbed out to browse the forums. :-)`
`22:06.45`	`ckknight`	`I need to add "Reset Profile" to AceDB options.`
`22:06.45`	`Codayus`	`I wonder how long he'll stand there?`
`22:07.03`	`ckknight`	`Codayus: tab back in and put more money.`
`22:07.15`	`ckknight`	`like slowly raise it`
`22:07.15`	`Codayus`	`lol`
`22:07.32`	`Codayus`	`Naa, I'm not that mean.`
`22:07.40`	`Codayus`	`Well, maybe I am, but not today. :-)`
`22:07.41`	`Eternally777`	`Oh, beerke's comment reminds me of another question regarding efficiency...`
`22:08.11`	`krka`	`haha Codayus`
`22:08.42`	`Mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/barfun.jpg`
`22:08.48`	`Mikma`	`yes, i am bored`
`22:08.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`barf un?`
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`22:10.03`	`ckknight`	`lol, Mikma`
`22:11.09`	`Eternally777`	`My efficiency question: http://ace.pastey.net/4589`
`22:11.12`	`todd`	`with buffalo, can I prevent it from changing the duration to ... if it doesn't fit?`
`22:12.23`	`Thorgard`	`What kind of crazy-ass duration do you have if it turns in '...'? :o`
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`22:12.36`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r23627 10Stitch-1.0/Stitch-1.0/Stitch-1.0.lua: Stitch-1.0: Fix up handling of rods and anvils as tools.`
`22:12.37`	`Thorgard`	`s/in/into`
`22:12.49`	`dafire`	`there should be some kind of "codex" to not save localized data in savedvariables .9`
`22:13.39`	`ckknight`	`dafire: I'll put it as a coding tip.`
`22:14.14`	`dafire`	`ckknight: thanks .. you could add as info that you can switch languages with the eu client and that the clients share the savedvariables`
`22:14.24`	`ckknight`	`right`
`22:14.26`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r23628 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_Defaults.lua layouts/ABF.lua):`
`22:14.26`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`22:14.26`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`22:14.37`	`FryGuy`	`is ag here`
`22:14.45`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r23629 10Manufac/ (6 files): Manufac: A couple fixes, i think.`
`22:14.48`	`ckknight`	`I think AceDB should be updated to take that into account, cause currently it uses a localized form to save.`
`22:14.53`	`todd`	`Thorgard: anything over 9:59, because I'm using clearfont and a somewhat small buff icon`
`22:15.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Make it bigger ^^`
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`22:15.55`	`todd`	`I like it small :(`
`22:16.17`	`trollomat`	`hi there`
`22:16.33`	`trollomat`	`short question: is anybody still working on DreamChat?`
`22:16.51`	`Mikma`	`trollomat: AKX is`
`22:16.59`	`todd`	`http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5924/buffshb2.png`
`22:17.30`	`AKX`	`Yeah, I'm kinda working on it, trollomat.`
`22:17.38`	`AKX`	`Except that.. I do need a SVN account, heh :D`
`22:17.39`	`trollomat`	`ahh, thats great`
`22:18.12`	`trollomat`	`is it right, that there is no scrolling availability atm?`
`22:18.32`	`ckknight`	`anybody think having "Playername - Realm Name" instead of "Playername of Realm Name" is a bad idea?`
`22:18.46`	`Thorgard`	`ckknight, nope.`
`22:19.08`	`todd`	`http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1285/buffsoy8.jpg <-- and that's the smallest the buffs can be without turning into '...'`
`22:19.19`	`_neuron_`	`was the aguf bug with positions fixed? (saw someone talk about it 2 minutes ago, and mine just reset :P )`
`22:19.53`	`Thorgard`	`_neuron_, afaik it was fixed.`
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`22:19.57`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/4590`
`22:20.03`	`mexicaan`	`Woo, i got a good route to login server again`
`22:20.08`	`_neuron_`	`kk`
`22:20.13`	`Thorgard`	`mexicaan, who did you sleep with?`
`22:20.22`	`Antiarc`	`Unless I've horribly misinterpreted it, I've managed to create a Lua memory leak :)`
`22:20.40`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc: you need to do a collectgarbage()`
`22:20.46`	`Antiarc`	`Doh. >_<`
`22:20.47`	`ckknight`	`and compare after that`
`22:21.38`	`Antiarc`	`Updated it. Still leaks.`
`22:21.42`	`Feldia`	`anyone have an idea as to when buffs / debuffs are going to be seperate within ag_uf?`
`22:22.46`	`Thorgard`	`Feldia, my magic eightball says 'no'. :(`
`22:23.22`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, no difference in results. After 500 loops, the difference is about 33k.`
`22:23.33`	`[dRaCo]`	`you broke it.`
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`22:25.52`	`groll`	`hmm who had that ag problem with them reverting to old spot? do i have to get them back manually or just update ag?=`
`22:27.21`	`kergoth`	`i love the text file syntax highlighting plugin for vim - http://www.haze.ehost.pl/spoonman/images/vim-txt-dusk-1-1.2.png`
`22:28.26`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hmm. I wonder if UE32 has a similar wordfile.`
`22:29.15`	`CIA-17`	`03codayus * r23630 10Links/Links.lua: Links: Added PriceTag support.`
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`22:31.02`	`\|Kev\|`	`meh, where's break19 gone, I put a mod uninstall feature in for him`
`22:31.20`	`\|Kev\|`	`how inconsiderate of people not being on irc when I want to speak to them`
`22:33.02`	`Thorgard`	`Bastards. :/`
`22:33.26`	`Antiarc`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4591 - there we go, with results.`
`22:35.34`	`naenee`	`Hm. Is Grid not supposed to show the entire group upon entering a battlefield? It only shows my current group at first, I have to re-select the layout to see the other groups. Am I missing something?`
`22:36.17`	`mjc`	`naenee: GridLayoutByInstanceSize`
`22:37.02`	`Thorgard`	`mjc, I don't think that's the solution.`
`22:37.09`	`pastamancer`	`naenee: no, that's a bug, turn on debugging for Grid and GridLayout`
`22:37.22`	`naenee`	`ok`
`22:37.25`	`Guest1345160766`	`oh i see what's wrong with ag barfader`
`22:37.34`	`Eej`	`it's highlighting the opposite of what it's supposed to be`
`22:37.38`	`naenee`	`How?`
`22:38.10`	`pastamancer`	`naenee: http://grid.13th-floor.org/screenshots/Grid%20Docs/Grid_Menu_Debugging.png`
`22:38.48`	`odt`	`does someone have an example on how to modify an agUF layour to have the unit health numbers outside the box?`
`22:39.02`	`odt`	`box = the textured bar`
`22:39.30`	`naenee`	`ok`
`22:40.01`	`naenee`	`It's on`
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`22:43.37`	`sbu`	`uh`
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`22:43.53`	`odt`	`no agUF specialists around?`
`22:43.54`	`sbu`	`SacredBuff ButtonsUsable looks evil (10k calls)`
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`22:45.47`	`Mygore`	`So, erm, I updated my aguf and now I cant see combo points, am I missing something?`
`22:45.54`	`Antiarc`	`Hahaha, wow.`
`22:45.59`	`Antiarc`	`Twinkling in the sky is a diamond star of 10 billion trillion trillion carats, astronomers have discovered. The cosmic diamond is a chunk of crystallised carbon, 4,000 km across, some 50 light-years from the Earth in the constellation Centaurus.`
`22:47.36`	`Tain`	`Oh great, no guy is ever going to be able to give a big enough engagement ring again.`
`22:48.00`	`sbu`	ag`: 10000000 errors :p
`22:48.13`	`sbu`	`blocked things`
`22:48.57`	`pastamancer`	`naenee: you should get a Grid_JoinedBattleground message in your combat log when you join a BG`
`22:49.48`	`naenee`	`oki`
`22:50.08`	`pastamancer`	`naenee: err, I'm sorry. "RosterUpdated" and then "PartyTypeChanged"`
`22:50.24`	`pastamancer`	`naenee: I forgot that I had taken some debug statments out`
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`22:55.01`	`Thorgard`	`Hmm, if I recall correctly there's a mod somewhere to help with positioning stuff on your screen, right?`
`22:55.13`	`mjc`	`Align`
`22:55.54`	`kergoth`	`self.options.args.template.args.new.args[key].desc = "Create a new template from "..template.name`
`22:55.57`	`kergoth`	`jesus`
`22:56.02`	`kergoth`	`jerry needs to use some locals :)`
`22:57.08`	`Thorgard`	`mjc, do tell more.`
`22:57.26`	`naenee`	`er okay`
`22:57.28`	`naenee`	`I am in BG now#`
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`22:59.30`	`Thorgard`	`mjc, nevermindzor, found it.`
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`23:00.09`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ`
`23:00.15`	`ckknight`	`hey Kaelten`
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`23:01.43`	`CIA-17`	`03Throndorin * r23631 10BSM2/: Created folder remotely`
`23:02.38`	`Tain`	`I'm in ur bg cappin ur flags`
`23:02.42`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23632 10Prat/Prat/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Prat: Moved more options to use the template system. Implemented the _handler template (could have used passing groupa for it too /shrug)`
`23:02.55`	`dafire`	`ckknight: does carthographer notes want localized or english zone name for SetNote ?`
`23:03.16`	`ckknight`	`english`
`23:03.21`	`ckknight`	`though it'll accept both.`
`23:03.26`	`ckknight`	`yea, it accepts either`
`23:03.29`	`ckknight`	`but stores as English`
`23:03.43`	`dafire`	`thanks .. hm`
`23:03.54`	`sylvanaar`	`<--- self.options.args.template.args.new.args[key].desc does this alot`
`23:05.23`	`sylvanaar`	`can you do this: local foo = self.options.args.template.args.new.args[key]`
`23:05.26`	`sbu`	`errr ok`
`23:05.34`	`sbu`	`i need to go back some revisions with aguf :/`
`23:05.38`	`pastamancer`	`sylvanaar: yeah`
`23:05.58`	`Jens`	`Idiots in my guild are now whining about La Vendetta Boss Mods... sigh`
`23:06.02`	ag`	`sbu, why?`
`23:06.04`	`sylvanaar`	`pastamancer: if its a nil reference"?`
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`23:06.25`	`sylvanaar`	`pastamancer: can you say foo = {}`
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`23:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r23633 10Ace2/AceDB-2.0/AceDB-2.0.lua:`
`23:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`.AceDB-2.0:`
`23:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`- character ids are now stored in the database as "Playername - Realm Name" instead of "Playername of Realm Name" (localized). This allows for people who switch between locales to do so at ease.`
`23:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`- On IniitalizeDB, it looks through old charIDs and upgrades them.`
`23:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`- Fun note: on the frontend, the user will still see "Character: Playername of Realm Name" with proper localization.`
`23:06.51`	`sylvanaar`	`or do you have to use local foo = self.options.args.template.args.new.args`
`23:06.57`	`ckknight`	`hopefully that doesn't break everything.`
`23:06.57`	`pastamancer`	`local options_new = self.options.args.template.args.new`
`23:07.00`	`ckknight`	`it shouldn't.`
`23:07.10`	`pastamancer`	`options_new.args[key] = foo`
`23:07.23`	`Kaelten`	`hi guys`
`23:07.29`	`MoonWolf`	`ckknight, doesn't that force a reset of all saved settings on a char base ?`
`23:07.30`	`Kaelten`	`I'm finally back home.`
`23:07.32`	`ckknight`	`how's it going, Kaelten?`
`23:07.35`	`Kaelten`	`I'm finally back home.`
`23:07.37`	`ckknight`	`MoonWolf: no, it upgrades.`
`23:07.38`	`CIA-17`	`03gagorian * r23634 10DrDamage/ (BuffScanning.lua DrDamage.lua DrDamage.toc SpellData.lua):`
`23:07.38`	`CIA-17`	`DrDamage:`
`23:07.38`	`CIA-17`	`-Added a lot of mage and druid spelldata. Bugfixes. Fixed some buffs that weren't properly multiplicative.`
`23:07.42`	`MoonWolf`	`cool.`
`23:07.48`	`mjc`	`Gagorian: I'll test later :)`
`23:07.52`	`ckknight`	`MoonWolf: it's a really easy upgrade, too`
`23:08.02`	`sylvanaar`	`pastamancer: that way i know, would be nice if you could do what i mentioned`
`23:08.03`	`ckknight`	`it only looks in like 4 places and upgrades if necessary`
`23:08.09`	`MoonWolf`	`hmmm`
`23:08.25`	`mjc`	`someone mind fixing the Ace2 TBC branch externals on Henge ?`
`23:08.26`	`MoonWolf`	`i'm sure someone will manage to berak it.`
`23:08.57`	`ckknight`	`MoonWolf: I looked through the entire wowace trunk and no one seems to be messing with the big raw profile`
`23:09.09`	`ckknight`	`except me, so its all fine`
`23:09.13`	`sylvanaar`	`part of me says that Lua is a table language and it should cache the lookups itself`
`23:09.14`	`MoonWolf`	`~dict berak`
`23:09.20`	`ckknight`	`either way, worst case scenario, you lose your SVs.`
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`23:09.31`	`ckknight`	`sylvanaar: it doesn't`
`23:09.36`	`ckknight`	`hey Rophy`
`23:09.37`	`mjc`	`MoonWolf: you just said someone would berak it, so I beraked you`
`23:09.53`	`MoonWolf`	`s/berak/break/`
`23:09.56`	`Rophy`	`hey`
`23:09.59`	`sylvanaar`	`ckknight: i understaind, but wish otherwise`
`23:10.02`	`MoonWolf`	`doh`
`23:12.13`	`dafire`	`what will change with the new table syntax in sv files ? will after the change the order will always the same ?`
`23:13.19`	`ckknight`	`dafire: for the change I just did, nothing you need to worry about.`
`23:13.33`	`dafire`	`no i mean with next patch`
`23:13.49`	`dafire`	`there was something with a new syntax in sv files i think`
`23:13.50`	`ckknight`	`oh, it's an optimization`
`23:14.00`	`ckknight`	`to allow lists to properly save`
`23:14.11`	`dafire`	`so they don't change order randomly anymore ?`
`23:14.23`	`ckknight`	`I never said that`
`23:14.28`	`sylvanaar`	`thats something else`
`23:14.28`	`ckknight`	`and you shouldn't even worry about that`
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`23:15.28`	`dafire`	`i worried when i saved my savefiles in svn to sync between two computers and they always changed after every reload even when the data did not change`
`23:15.42`	`sylvanaar`	`><`
`23:16.05`	`sylvanaar`	`they are unordered`
`23:16.46`	`Fisker-`	`when is 2.0.4 scheduled?`
`23:17.00`	`mjc`	`after TBC probably`
`23:17.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, i've just did a little playing with lua's memory cost per table, index (number vs string) and such do these observations make sense...`
`23:17.53`	`Thorgard`	`Go, go, Gagorian! More DrD stuff.`
`23:17.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`cost per table 32 bytes, per integer index 16 bytes, per string index 32 bytes`
`23:18.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`methodology available`
`23:18.25`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: are you using numbers in list-form or in arbitrary form?`
`23:18.42`	`KarlThePagan`	`the integer index is list form, string index is arbitrary form`
`23:18.45`	`ckknight`	`e.g. t = {}; t[1] = "hello" is a lot different form t = {}; t[12345] = "hello"`
`23:18.56`	`KarlThePagan`	`yes`
`23:19.02`	`KarlThePagan`	`pasteying`
`23:19.17`	`CIA-17`	`03pastamancer * r23635 10Grid/GridCore.lua: Grid: improved roster update debugging`
`23:19.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4594 - methodology for the string index test`
`23:19.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`the difference for the integer index i remove tostring(i) and don't make a string table`
`23:20.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`rounding error at 4096 but otherwise dead flat same results for each i`
`23:20.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`i started thinking about cpu vs memory and realized i need something to base my assumptions on ;)`
`23:22.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`would that help your carto memory usage? going from string to integer indexes?`
`23:22.16`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: use print instead of io.write...`
`23:23.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`print doesn't flush, but yea`
`23:23.37`	`CIA-17`	`03Throndorin * r23636 10BSM2/core.lua: (log message trimmed)`
`23:23.38`	`CIA-17`	`BSM2:`
`23:23.38`	`CIA-17`	`initial, do nothing in the moment`
`23:23.38`	`CIA-17`	`Added items remotely`
`23:23.38`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\core.lua`
`23:23.38`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\BSM2.toc`
`23:23.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`same results (not that it should change)`
`23:23.40`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\locale`
`23:23.42`	`CIA-17`	`03Throndorin * r23637 10BSM2/BSM2.toc: (log message trimmed)`
`23:23.44`	`CIA-17`	`BSM2:`
`23:23.46`	`CIA-17`	`initial, do nothing in the moment`
`23:23.50`	`CIA-17`	`Added items remotely`
`23:23.52`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\core.lua`
`23:23.54`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\BSM2.toc`
`23:23.56`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\locale`
`23:23.58`	`CIA-17`	`03Throndorin * r23638 10BSM2/locale/ (. deDE.lua enEN.lua): (log message trimmed)`
`23:24.00`	`CIA-17`	`BSM2:`
`23:24.02`	`CIA-17`	`initial, do nothing in the moment`
`23:24.04`	`CIA-17`	`Added items remotely`
`23:24.06`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\core.lua`
`23:24.08`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\BSM2.toc`
`23:24.10`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\locale`
`23:24.11`	`kergoth`	`eh`
`23:24.14`	`CIA-17`	`03Throndorin * r23639 10BSM2/options.lua: (log message trimmed)`
`23:24.16`	`CIA-17`	`BSM2:`
`23:24.18`	`CIA-17`	`initial, do nothing in the moment`
`23:24.20`	`CIA-17`	`Added items remotely`
`23:24.21`	`ckknight`	`zomg.`
`23:24.22`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\core.lua`
`23:24.24`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\BSM2.toc`
`23:24.26`	`CIA-17`	`C:\Addons\BSM2\locale`
`23:24.29`	`kergoth`	`what the fuck man`
`23:24.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`lol whatever svn client this is.... diaf`
`23:24.42`	`dafire`	`^^^`
`23:24.43`	`kergoth`	`svn already knows what files were added, they dont need to pollute the commit logs with it`
`23:24.53`	`ckknight`	`who is it?`
`23:25.01`	`kergoth`	`good question`
`23:25.05`	`kergoth`	`what the fuck is bsm2 anyway`
`23:25.09`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`23:25.13`	`MoonWolf`	`good question.`
`23:25.14`	`MoonWolf`	`no clue`
`23:25.23`	`ckknight`	`note the (log message trimmed) part, too`
`23:25.28`	`\|Kev\|`	`an improved version of the british school of motoring?`
`23:25.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`IM IN UR C DRIVE LOOKIN UR PR0N`
`23:25.42`	`kergoth`	`## Notes: Display the number of free bag slots for individual and all bags use /bs2 for options`
`23:25.43`	`Amadeo`	`lies`
`23:25.45`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`23:25.46`	`Amadeo`	`I delete my pron`
`23:26.49`	`kergoth`	`Kaelten: please have a talk with this throndorin person. they obviously are running a crappy svn client, don't know how to use it, or both. they should be playing in the sandbox before polluting our main svn logs this way`
`23:27.18`	`Amadeo`	`I was about to ask what all that spam was :P`
`23:27.47`	`dafire`	`i thought about makeing a small carthographer addon that adds small flags where you pvp killed someone .9`
`23:27.54`	`Trancer`	`looks like a really shitty SVN client, heh`
`23:28.09`	`kergoth`	`dafire: should add that sort of thing to deucelog perhaps? since it already records your pvp kills in a fashion`
`23:28.34`	`dafire`	`hmm.. don't know it but I'll take a look :)`
`23:28.38`	`CIA-17`	`03Throndorin * r23640 10BSM2/libs/: BSM2: add libs`
`23:28.47`	`\|Kev\|`	`oh dear, it starts again`
`23:28.52`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`23:29.02`	`CIA-17`	`03zealotonastick * r23641 10FuBar_LogFu2/: Created folder remotely`
`23:30.19`	`Fisker-`	`y helo thar`
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`23:32.56`	`KarlThePagan`	`so basically my cpu vs memory observations - when cpu is not an issue avoid integer tables < 4 elements and try not to use string indexes...`
`23:33.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`is that reasonable anyone?`
`23:33.59`	`mjc`	`nice, I just wishlisted my way to +828 spell damage`
`23:34.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`in expansioN/`
`23:34.14`	`mjc`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`23:34.27`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: well, lists are going to be more efficient than hashes`
`23:34.29`	`mjc`	`no, lvl60 gear`
`23:34.33`	`ckknight`	`but sometimes hashes are better`
`23:34.52`	`Rophy`	`in lua, lists with holes are still lists right?`
`23:34.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea deffinately`
`23:36.04`	`CIA-17`	`03codayus * r23642 10PriceTag/core.lua:`
`23:36.04`	`CIA-17`	`PriceTag:`
`23:36.04`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed mangled formatting/indenting. ><`
`23:36.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`but this basically explains why blizz does their slash command list this way... unless you go up to SLASH5 you're saving memory to not have a nested table`
`23:36.20`	`Amadeo`	`mjc: You'll probably end up with that in TBC with a lot less effort`
`23:36.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`on live i'm at 520... I expect to break 550 by lv 62`
`23:37.06`	`\|Kev\|`	`easily`
`23:37.15`	`mjc`	`Amadeo: wish lists are jsut neat, nothing more`
`23:37.19`	`\|Kev\|`	`since you'll be able to add threading or whatever it's called`
`23:37.34`	`kergoth`	`Rophy: pretty sure they arent, actually.`
`23:37.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`woah wait... mjc you forgot "The End of Dreams"`
`23:38.03`	`Amadeo`	`mjc: Depends on how much you play...some people set them as goals...I know I don't, I have all greens and a few blues :P`
`23:38.09`	`krka`	`yeah, best tip is to reduce number of tables`
`23:38.19`	`krka`	`preferable a constant amount of tables instead of a linear`
`23:38.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`and rime covered > that mantle`
`23:38.54`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: have you seen http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=62188847&sid=1 ?`
`23:39.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`this is for PEWPEW moonkin eh?`
`23:39.23`	`axxo`	`how much silver do average lvl 70 mobs drop?`
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`23:39.44`	`Amadeo`	`I stopped playing at 64, so I didn't spoil too much :D`
`23:39.51`	`CIA-17`	`03pastamancer * r23643 10Grid/GridCore.lua: Grid: fixed group transitions, I hope.`
`23:39.59`	`kergoth`	`svk log --filter rocks`
`23:40.23`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: have you seen what i did today`
`23:40.29`	`Rophy`	`kergoth: what exactly makes it not a list? although I do know that ipairs will stop at the hole.`
`23:40.38`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: rofl`
`23:40.40`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: nope ;)`
`23:40.55`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: built in taint checker and fixer`
`23:41.06`	`kergoth`	`Rophy: we're talking about the under the hood representation here, whether its an array or a hash table`
`23:41.13`	`kergoth`	`not so much the effects on behavior`
`23:41.18`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: not gonna let prat take the heat`
`23:41.29`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: lol, that works ;)`
`23:41.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`I wonder if they have a sparseness threshold for lists...`
`23:42.05`	`KarlThePagan`	`like if you do 1-100 normally then jump to... 120`
`23:42.14`	`Rophy`	`kergoth: hmm then does list / hash makes any actual differences?`
`23:42.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`if they turn that into a hash it would waste memory by my observations`
`23:42.16`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: i haven't automated it, i wanted some people to test it`
`23:42.24`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Invalid commit note?`
`23:42.32`	`kergoth`	`http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/~lhf/ftp/doc/jucs05.pdf`
`23:42.42`	`kergoth`	`"Lua 5.0 uses a new`
`23:42.42`	`kergoth`	`algorithm that detects whether tables are being used as arrays and automatically`
`23:42.42`	`kergoth`	`stores the values associated to numeric indices in an actual array,`
`23:42.45`	`kergoth`	`instead of adding them to the hash table. This algorithm is discussed in`
`23:42.46`	`kergoth`	`Section 4."`
`23:42.50`	`pastamancer`	`sylvanaar: [W From] and [W To] are reversed`
`23:42.51`	`kergoth`	`oops, didnt realize itd paste hte line endings`
`23:42.54`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: right now it says "Your pet bar has become tainted, please enable "feature name""`
`23:43.01`	`nymbia`	`ah nice`
`23:43.08`	`sylvanaar`	`pastamancer: you know i was thinkning the same thing`
`23:43.32`	`pastamancer`	`sylvanaar: it makes cybering that much more confusing`
`23:43.34`	`pastamancer`	`!`
`23:43.55`	`testify`	`So I'm looking at these two sample screenshots of DrDamage. I see "+1% Crit: +3.9 (=4.4 +dmg)" and "+1% Hit: +3.9" and "+10 Dmg: +8.8". I can guess that the +1% Crit line is for the amount of damage it would equal, but I can't for the life of me figure out what the other two lines are for.`
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`23:44.37`	`CIA-17`	`03zealotonastick * r23644 10FuBar_LogFu2/ (. FuBar_LogFu2.toc LogFu2-enUS.lua LogFu2.lua libs/):`
`23:44.37`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_LogFu2:`
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`23:44.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh snap they store BOTH!`
`23:44.55`	`krka`	`of course`
`23:44.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`"in Lua 5.0, tables are implemented`
`23:44.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`as hybrid data structures: they contain a hash part and an array part."`
`23:45.17`	`Rophy`	`that's what I read too.`
`23:45.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`so that's how it goes from list to hash... 1-100 goes into the array, then 120 goes in the hash`
`23:45.27`	`krka`	`in your earlier example, 1-100 would be in the array part and 120 as a hash`
`23:45.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea`
`23:45.44`	`krka`	`i hate it when i repeat someone else by accident :(`
`23:45.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`23:45.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`"jinx" lol`
`23:46.55`	`\|Kev\|`	`so I think in that example, 1-100 goes in...`
`23:47.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`so they test for 50% density mebbe?`
`23:47.26`	`Rophy`	`hmm so t = { 1,2,3,nil,5 } will have 3 array values and 1 hash value.`
`23:47.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`maybe`
`23:47.42`	`sylvanaar`	`pastamancer: i dont use from and to i use an arrow on one of them but its sorta ambiguous`
`23:48.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`{3,nil,5,nil} has 50% density so they might yet leave it an array`
`23:48.18`	`Rophy`	`so t = { true, false, true, true, true } is actually better than t = { true, nil, true, true, true } ?`
`23:48.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`3,nil,nil,5 would probably have 5 as a hash`
`23:48.57`	`dafire`	`Kaelten: could you add a link to the wiki page on the /files/ overview if the addon has one ? ... just an idea that came to my mind .9`
`23:49.01`	`krka`	`nah, that would probably all list`
`23:49.23`	`krka`	`there's probably some clever condition for how much empty space can be tolerated`
`23:49.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea`
`23:49.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`looks like there's a cost to have both indexes`
`23:49.44`	`krka`	`and probably some minimum threshold`
`23:49.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`"if`
`23:49.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`the table is being used as an associative array, and not as an array, then the`
`23:49.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`array part is likely to be empty."`
`23:49.52`	`krka`	`say, 1-16 is always in array`
`23:50.16`	`krka`	`or whatever... maybe we should just read the lua source to find out`
`23:50.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`23:50.25`	`Kaelten`	`KarlThePagan: did you figure out if its possible to have a set of data so that the stdDev is greater than the avg?`
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`23:50.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`Kaelten, good timing - i have the set i was playing with`
`23:51.12`	`kergoth`	`stddev? what are you workin on?`
`23:51.28`	`Aileen_`	`is anyone having problems with their Ace profiles today? I logged in and all the profiles for all my Ace addons were majorly screwed up`
`23:51.30`	`krka`	`well, standard deviation would be at its biggest if the data points were as far apart as possible`
`23:51.38`	`krka`	`and that case is easy to test`
`23:52.12`	`krka`	`btw, read ltable.c of the lua source, it's interesting stuff`
`23:52.15`	`krka`	`only around 600 lines`
`23:52.36`	`kergoth`	`the lua source is suprisingly comprehensible, though a bit more commenting would be nice at times`
`23:54.30`	`krka`	`yeah`
`23:54.42`	`Tornhoof`	`kaelten, example: 1, 10,100,1000 avg is 278 or something, std deviation is close to 500`
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`23:56.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`crap bleh`
`23:56.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`bad formula`
`23:56.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`i'll get back to you`
`23:56.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`but i should do it now`
`23:58.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`relating to auction data kergoth`
`23:58.39`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`23:58.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`so emulating an existing market i've observed`
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`23:58.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`how can someone defeat kael's filtering mechanism`
`23:59.17`	`nymbia`	`filtering of?`
`23:59.45`	`krka`	`interesting code...`
`23:59.53`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: nice paper`

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