irclog2html for #wowace on 20070111

`00:00.48`	`zirah_`	`Pogo, but i will just implement the sphere part - here are enough addons for the timers`
`00:01.11`	`Enalung`	`Can't wait till the wiki is back up I'm burning to start coding the menu and all that goes with it`
`00:01.27`	`sbu`	`noooooooooo`
`00:01.29`	`sbu`	`2007/01/11 01:00:08-225-x1]: AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:21: AceEvent-2.0 requires AceOO-2.0`
`00:01.30`	`sbu`	`:/`
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`00:02.57`	`zirah_`	`Pogo and of course Venantes is an Ace2 addon :)`
`00:03.06`	`Pogo`	`zirah - I think it'd be best for something to be generic and not need specific class customization, that's what I'm looking for.`
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`00:03.34`	`zirah_`	`Pogo, yeah but the idea of the sphere addons are class specific buttons and menus`
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`00:04.21`	`CIA-17`	`03gagorian * r24567 10DrDamage/ (Data/Mage.lua Data/Shaman.lua DrDamage.lua DrDamage.toc):`
`00:04.21`	`CIA-17`	`DrDamage:`
`00:04.21`	`CIA-17`	`-And a bit more coefficient adjustment for 2.0.3...`
`00:04.21`	`Pogo`	`I just want a circular control mechanism for several pages of icons I don't need in combat :)`
`00:04.41`	`zirah_`	`Pogo, that's Sprocket`
`00:05.05`	`Gnarfoz_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:05.26`	`Enalung`	`Yeah`
`00:05.29`	`break19`	`http://grid.13th-floor.org/wowace/ - good mirror`
`00:05.34`	`Enalung`	`Just like curse is dying a slow death right now`
`00:05.35`	`Gnarfoz_`	`ah, pasta's`
`00:05.39`	`Pogo`	`ok I'll check out Sprocket then.`
`00:05.54`	`Enalung`	`You can check sprocket on wowinterface`
`00:06.02`	`Gnarfoz_`	`looks like pastamancer clock is even correct ;D`
`00:06.09`	`Pogo`	`I would try Venantes but if it's class-specific then I don't really want to use it. I like to normalize myself across my characters.`
`00:06.10`	`Enalung`	`One of the things the version I'll build will have different is the menu`
`00:06.31`	`Enalung`	`I hate quest log type menus`
`00:06.50`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24568 10Prat/modules/PopupMessage.lua: Prat: I keep knocking them ouf of the park`
`00:06.53`	`Gnarfoz_`	hm, ag` or Miles, does the new 'enable castbar option' make mecb obsolete?
`00:06.56`	`Enalung`	`I prefer the ace style menus they are much cleaner`
`00:07.08`	`zirah_`	`Pogo, i am trying to build a set of base functions and have the class specific thign more seperated`
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`00:07.45`	`Enalung`	`I've read the basics on that side. One idea for that menu to add would be an icon picker. It dosen't have one right now`
`00:07.53`	`Enalung`	`And that's something I'll have to come up with.`
`00:08.27`	`zirah_`	`Enalung: dropping spells/items is easier with 2.0.3 now`
`00:08.32`	`zirah_`	`drag and drop`
`00:08.38`	`sylvanaar`	`ok see you guya later -`
`00:08.51`	`Laranko`	`One question: Does ag_UnitFrames have GroupTargets? Or is there an external addon for?`
`00:08.56`	`Enalung`	`That works for spells`
`00:09.03`	`Enalung`	`But it dosen't work for a menu icon`
`00:09.17`	`Enalung`	`Aka I want to give custumisable icons for submenus`
`00:09.31`	`zirah_`	`Enalung, like in the macros ui?`
`00:09.32`	`Pogo`	`What I want out of ag_UF is a way to set up the raid windows by class and not group.`
`00:09.48`	`Enalung`	`Yeah`
`00:09.49`	ag`	`Pogo: And that's in now.`
`00:09.58`	`Pogo`	`Woot!`
`00:10.09`	`Pogo`	`Goodbye CTRA, thank god.`
`00:10.20`	`Laranko`	`And GroupTargets as in X-Perl?`
`00:10.28`	ag`	`CTRA couldn't sort by class before 2.0.3 ?`
`00:10.29`	`Enalung`	`CTmod only has a single coder for the entire project`
`00:10.37`	`Enalung`	`The other person only does web stuff`
`00:10.53`	ag`	`unless he anchored frames and stuff I guess`
`00:10.56`	`Enalung`	`Hense why CTmod developpement is so slow`
`00:11.06`	`Pogo`	`CTRA could sort by class... but the CTRA doesn't visually mesh with ag_UF or Bartender`
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`00:11.53`	`Pogo`	`Err, the health bars don't mesh, I like the ag_UF "style" more`
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`00:12.27`	`CIA-17`	`03sbu * r24569 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.toc: ag_UnitFrames: fixed AceOO include in .toc`
`00:12.34`	`sbu`	oh, hi ag` ;o
`00:12.47`	`Enalung`	`I'll go download the ace2 librairy in the meantime. I hope it's commented well enough.`
`00:12.54`	`Pogo`	`ag: Example - http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6150/desetaiuigq7.jpg`
`00:13.12`	`Pogo`	`The health bars just don't look good next to the ag frames`
`00:13.36`	ag`	`yeah`
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`00:14.15`	`Pogo`	`Last update for sprocket was in October?`
`00:14.29`	`Enalung`	`Jezz I could never bear to use that UI`
`00:14.39`	`Enalung`	`It's got way too much stuff on it`
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`00:14.58`	`Laranko`	`anyone knows a mod for group targets?`
`00:15.00`	`Pogo`	`That's why I need Zirah's new mod to either replace my heal buttons on the left, or my buffs/items on the right.`
`00:15.33`	`Pogo`	`I've cleaned it up a bit Ena. Keep in mind all the information I need for healing.`
`00:15.44`	`Enalung`	`Yeah I guess`
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`00:15.53`	`Pogo`	`Yeah, you don't have a healer do you.`
`00:15.55`	`Enalung`	`As a hunter I don't have that problem though`
`00:16.01`	`Pogo`	`I didn't think so.`
`00:16.02`	`Enalung`	`Only need to see my own health really`
`00:16.19`	`Enalung`	`The only thing I want to remove badly but will most likely never be able to remove is the minimap`
`00:16.32`	`Enalung`	`For the simple reason that I need it for my tracking`
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`00:16.53`	`Enalung`	`Otherwise I don't even use the minimap to direct myself.`
`00:16.55`	`Pogo`	`Yeah you don't need to know about your time in the FSR, how much mana you regen, the deficit health of everyone in the raid, and 8 ranks of 3 healing spells`
`00:16.57`	`_neuron_`	ag`, guessing someone's already mentioned this, but combopoints disapeared when the castbars were added
`00:17.07`	`CIA-17`	`03fatherjim * r24570 10loudmouth/ (loudmouth.lua loudmouth.xml):`
`00:17.07`	`CIA-17`	`loudmouth:`
`00:17.07`	`CIA-17`	`- Continuing to clean up code and the GUI.`
`00:17.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`i like having a really big minimap for gathering`
`00:17.21`	`sbu`	ag`, : castbars ROCK!!
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`00:17.36`	`Enalung`	`Give me a sec I'll pull out a screenshot of my UI`
`00:17.39`	`Barbanus`	`wtf?`
`00:17.40`	`Barbanus`	`http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/65456674.htm?posts=1`
`00:17.44`	`Pogo`	`You can get rid of your minimap.`
`00:17.48`	`Pogo`	`By default, even.`
`00:17.57`	`Pogo`	`Just click the X... something I'll probably do more often in raids.`
`00:17.57`	`Barbanus`	`You can't send binary data with SendChatMessage(), the data needs to be well formed UTF-8 text. People were being naughty and sending messages that would crash other players. That's not true of SendAddonMessage() though, you can send any string data you want with that.`
`00:18.10`	`Barbanus`	`So ... if you are in a raid ... crash someones computer, no problem`
`00:18.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`bad assumption`
`00:18.54`	ag`	`where the fuck is vharr`
`00:19.02`	`Enalung`	`http://die-guild.org/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=11&cat=0&pos=0`
`00:19.18`	`KarlThePagan`	`bar - send addon never normally is rendered to the user's screen`
`00:19.21`	`Enalung`	`I know I can get rid of the minimap pogo`
`00:19.38`	`fud`	`So, is anyone else using ag_UF getting vast numbers of ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED errors when in a raid?`
`00:19.40`	`poptix`	`the addon channel scares me`
`00:19.43`	`Enalung`	`But I'm a hunter, in battlegrounds peoples expect me to always tell em where every single horde in a one mile radius is`
`00:19.58`	`poptix`	`i suspect there's a ton of crap in that channel causing my addons to do weird things`
`00:20.29`	`Pogo`	`Ena - I wish I could play like that.`
`00:20.35`	`bver`	`fud: yes, lots of PetActionButton#:Show() / Hide:() errors`
`00:20.36`	`Miles`	`~seen vharr`
`00:21.02`	`purl`	`Miles: i haven't seen 'vharr'`
`00:21.03`	ag`	`vharr did some shit :P`
`00:21.03`	`Pogo`	`ALso, your resolution is much higher than mine.`
`00:21.03`	ag`	`He like touched every file in ag_uf on the svn`
`00:21.09`	`Enalung`	`1280 by 768 I beleive`
`00:21.18`	`Barbanus`	`ag, heh`
`00:21.24`	`sbu`	ag`: mhh - i just fixed that AceOO include
`00:21.27`	`fud`	`Hmm, mine all seem to be to do with aUFgroupgroup6UnitButton5:Show() or similar (also ....:SetScale())`
`00:21.44`	`Barbanus`	`ag, what did he do in the end?`
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`00:21.59`	`djspark`	`anyone know of an eqdkp chan here on freenode?`
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`00:22.00`	`xlvii`	`combat points work now? :O`
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`00:22.10`	`Pogo`	`Where are your buffs, Ena?`
`00:22.14`	`Miles`	`wtfbbq conflicted .toc`
`00:22.17`	`Enalung`	`Hey quick question`
`00:22.29`	`Enalung`	`My guild leader basicaly charged me of searching for a good DKP mod`
`00:22.45`	`Enalung`	`Any of you know of one which is reliable and efeature rich?`
`00:22.45`	`xlvii`	`enalung, pve is dead till jan 16`
`00:22.47`	`xlvii`	`;]`
`00:22.51`	`Pogo`	`We use Raidtracker with EQDKP`
`00:22.52`	`Enalung`	`I know`
`00:22.58`	`Enalung`	`But we like to plan ahead`
`00:23.02`	`xlvii`	`ahh true`
`00:23.04`	`xlvii`	`;p`
`00:23.12`	`Tular`	`Pogo: Is that broken for you now?`
`00:23.20`	`Enalung`	`Ok I'll keep that in mind`
`00:23.21`	`Pogo`	`EQDKP 1.3.1`
`00:23.31`	`kenlyric\|home`	`oh, don't worry, raiding will be dead for a while past jan 16.`
`00:23.31`	`Pogo`	`Yes, sort of, Tular.`
`00:23.37`	`Pogo`	`It won't track every member that attended.`
`00:23.45`	`Miles`	`MUST KILL SOMEONE`
`00:24.34`	`asukasoryu`	`Anyone know why I can't get AG unitframes to work now?`
`00:24.34`	`Enalung`	`That's a problem if it dosen't track all the members that attended`
`00:24.34`	`Miles`	`who changed every single svn external in agUF?`
`00:24.34`	`Pogo`	`It will track it in the Raidtracker, but when parsing the DKP string for import, it misses some characters.`
`00:24.34`	ag`	`Miles: Vharr went crazy :D`
`00:24.34`	`Enalung`	`Up until now we have been doing DKP manualy`
`00:24.34`	`fud`	`asukasoryu: Can you be more specific?`
`00:24.34`	`Pogo`	`Before 2.0 I twas perfect.`
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`00:24.37`	ag`	`everyone hands off aguf on SVN until I commit this shit`
`00:24.42`	ag`	`I'll say when`
`00:24.46`	`Miles`	`haha`
`00:24.49`	ag`	`I just need to let it merge :P`
`00:25.00`	`fud`	`:) Don't you go committing shit now.`
`00:25.09`	`Enalung`	`That's another thing which I need to learn`
`00:25.10`	`Miles`	`btw, I need a targettarget castbar :P`
`00:25.14`	`Enalung`	`How to use SVN`
`00:25.15`	`Miles`	`I kinda miss that from mecb`
`00:25.17`	`Pogo`	`After 2.0 it dropped one or two members in each boss fight after exporting... I had to compare things manually, but item purchases still worked.`
`00:25.18`	`asukasoryu`	`Anyone know of another unitframe that works with wowace then?`
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`00:25.38`	`fud`	`Enalung: tigris.org is the place to learn of SVN`
`00:25.43`	`Enalung`	`Already feel like my brain is going to explode from all the lua I've read in the last few days. Just ened to let it soak a bit.`
`00:25.53`	`Pogo`	`After yesterday's patch, the raidtracker completely failed export two of the epics off Onyxia.`
`00:25.58`	`kb1ibt`	`best tool to use on windows is tortisesvn`
`00:25.59`	`Gnarfoz_`	ag`: what rev do you recommend in the meantime?
`00:26.16`	`fud`	`TortoiseSVN is pretty slick`
`00:26.18`	`Thorgard`	`Woot.`
`00:26.38`	`Thorgard`	`Yay for loadstring.`
`00:26.43`	`Enalung`	`Ah no, I'm not touching SVN just yet. They say one thing at a time, I make a bad habit of multiple things at a time, but that's a little too much.`
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`00:27.00`	`Gnarfoz_`	`tortoise integrates with windows explorer which I don't use... so tortoise sucks for me :D`
`00:27.07`	`kb1ibt`	`is there a replacement for auctioneer coded in Ace`
`00:27.16`	`Enalung`	`I'm all about firefox`
`00:27.31`	`Gnarfoz_`	`smartsvn <3`
`00:27.32`	`asukasoryu`	`Life is hell without ag unitframes`
`00:27.34`	`asukasoryu`	`need help`
`00:27.45`	`Enalung`	`The only reason I even touch IE is because some pages can't be viewed in firefox, but those are so rare that at most I'll touch IE once per 3 or 4 months`
`00:27.49`	`fud`	`Gnarfoz_: Yah, still if you have the horn on for Windows Explorer, it's pretty nice :)`
`00:27.54`	`Chomp`	`aguf works at the mo, doesnt it?`
`00:28.01`	`Chomp`	`im sure it does`
`00:28.02`	`asukasoryu`	`I can't get it to work`
`00:28.10`	`_neuron_`	`asukasoryu, rev 24513 works for me atleast`
`00:28.19`	`djspark`	`sorry for the offtopicness of this all, but I use raidtracker with eqdkp, and I'm a bit of a noob, but I dont like how it's showingt each boss, and each loot item as a seperate raid... anyone know a way around this?`
`00:28.21`	`Gnarfoz_`	`24513 works? ok, getting that one :D`
`00:28.25`	`Miles`	`trying to leech 24570 atm`
`00:28.27`	`kb1ibt`	`asukasoryu, not only that but during Alpha and beta w/o aguf you would crash when selecting a certain mod`
`00:28.34`	`kb1ibt`	`s/mod/mob/`
`00:28.49`	`asukasoryu`	`Sure`
`00:28.54`	`Pogo`	`djspark: what version are you using?`
`00:28.58`	`fud`	`Enalung: Gnarfoz was referring to Windows Explorer rather than Internet Explorer... although the dividing line is thinning these days.`
`00:29.06`	`asukasoryu`	`Well, I can't even get deuce commander to give me a config`
`00:29.06`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24571 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_Options.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua ag_UnitFrames.toc):`
`00:29.06`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`00:29.06`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:29.14`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Hey.. anyone heard of problems with the blizzard raid system, we can't promote people`
`00:29.16`	`_neuron_`	`oh cool`
`00:29.25`	`Miles`	`oh noes, more updating`
`00:29.27`	`JoshBorke`	`Kaelten: there's a typo on the main wowace site`
`00:29.32`	`asukasoryu`	`Ok, then how do I bring up AGUF Config now?`
`00:29.35`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`it`
`00:29.39`	`Barbanus`	ag`, that means delete fubar_aguf_fu right?
`00:29.40`	`djspark`	`Pogo: EQdkp 1.3.1`
`00:29.44`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`its randomly giving ppl leader?`
`00:29.45`	`_neuron_`	`asukasoryu, the fubar icon? :P`
`00:29.48`	`djspark`	`with the ctraidtracker mod plugin`
`00:29.50`	`asukasoryu`	`I don't use Fubar`
`00:29.52`	`Thorgard`	`asukasoryu, /aguf maybe? ;P`
`00:29.53`	`grennon`	`yay, cluster3 just went fubar in the literal sense`
`00:29.57`	`Pogo`	`djspark: you need to set it so that it records loot on boss kill if you don't want every trash mob to be updated`
`00:30.03`	`asukasoryu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:30.10`	`asukasoryu`	`I use deuce commander`
`00:30.16`	`asukasoryu`	`It doesn't show up their either.`
`00:30.24`	`Prophyy`	`whats the cmd for perfect targets? /ptarget?`
`00:30.24`	`_neuron_`	`deuce commander should work if ag uses AceOptions shouldn't it`
`00:30.26`	`djspark`	`I just want that all loot & boss kills, everything in a raid shows up as one raid`
`00:30.39`	ag`	`Baraius-Phone: yes`
`00:30.41`	`djspark`	`where I give X amount of RP for a raid, and it doesn't list numerous things`
`00:30.47`	ag`	`Barbanus: yes`
`00:30.59`	`NeoTron`	`just had a painful "mongolian beef spice" experience`
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`00:31.13`	`Pogo`	`djspark: so you assign DKP by members who attended, and not individual events?`
`00:31.25`	`Pogo`	`djspark: that's what you want to do?`
`00:31.34`	`hypetech`	`so since we can't connect to update server, are there any addons that have broken with the newest patch?`
`00:31.41`	`Barbanus`	ag`, awesome :)
`00:31.51`	`Enalung`	`Is that librairy you were talkign about included in the ace 2 zip or is it a separate download?`
`00:31.58`	`djspark`	`Pogo: if we goto mc tonight and take down 5 bosses, I give them X amount per boss & X amount per hour... but I want to be able to assign one RP value to the raid and that be it`
`00:32.16`	`djspark`	`Pogo: so that when you click raids in EQDKP it just shows one per night`
`00:32.18`	`asukasoryu`	`ok so still lacking how to get ag uf to work`
`00:32.31`	`Thorgard`	`Hmm, my agUF party frames is only showing one out of two other people in my party for some reason.. I heard someone else was having the same problem but I don't think they're using agUF, so is it a Blizzard bug or something?`
`00:32.49`	`Pogo`	`djspark: the default raid when you export is Unknown Event, it should list every single person who attended the raid. So you could set this event as "MC Raid" and delete all the other events, while assigning MC Raid a value of 5.`
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`00:33.08`	`Ve`	`ag party bug , hide the party and show it .... the party should reappear .. thats how i fixed it`
`00:33.31`	`vhaarr`	ag`: ahem
`00:33.34`	`Pogo`	`djspark: but that takes work, and you would have to add the boss items to the raid manually, I wouldn't know how to modify the program to do what you want specifically.`
`00:33.35`	ag`	`vhaarr: nm`
`00:33.40`	ag`	`vhaarr: I got it now`
`00:33.41`	`vhaarr`	ag`: did you intentionally revery my toc changes?
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`00:33.44`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24572 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.toc:`
`00:33.44`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`00:33.44`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:33.45`	ag`	`no`
`00:33.47`	`vhaarr`	`ok`
`00:33.50`	ag`	`it's right there`
`00:34.00`	ag`	`I just missed it`
`00:34.03`	`Ve`	`any mirrors for these updates ?`
`00:34.12`	`vhaarr`	ag`: still wrong
`00:34.16`	`djspark`	`Pogo: yeah I'm having to delete all the "Random Drop"'s and bosses and rename it to 'ZG" or "Molten Core"`
`00:34.19`	`vhaarr`	ag`: I'll fix it again
`00:34.19`	`_neuron_`	`Ve, http://grid.13th-floor.org/wowace/`
`00:34.24`	ag`	`vhaarr: ok`
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`00:34.42`	`Ve`	`neuron: is that updated to the lastest ? i didnt see aguf on there`
`00:34.48`	ag`	`vhaarr: anyway those attributes set on the files owned my working copy, while I was doing the fubar plugin`
`00:34.50`	`_neuron_`	`once an hour or something like that`
`00:34.50`	`Pogo`	`djspark: Sorry I'm unregistered so I have to reply here.`
`00:34.55`	`Ve`	`ah ty`
`00:34.55`	`Enalung`	`Ok back on the subject of DKP. OUr bidding system is a bit different from the average system. Most system allow players to bid points, our system has fixed points for items and we get the players who want the item to send tells to the raid leader. The one with the most points may get it, but the raid leader can also make the call to assign the item to someone else who might need the item...`
`00:34.57`	`Enalung`	`...more or give priority to certain class. For exemple ranged weapons will be priority to hunters even if that warriors has 10 K more points. Is there a system that allows that?`
`00:34.59`	`vhaarr`	ag`: heh yeah, they'll do that.
`00:35.02`	`Enalung`	`A mod I mean.`
`00:35.07`	ag`	`vhaarr: so I had to search thourgh the files and find out what you changed`
`00:35.16`	ag`	`vhaarr: I guess I missed the stuff you did in the toc`
`00:35.21`	`djspark`	`Pogo: no problem, just didn't want to spam links in the chan`
`00:35.40`	`djspark`	`if you see the two sites, mine is the first one, the second one is the install I'm trying to go for`
`00:35.50`	`Pogo`	`I see, one sec.`
`00:36.00`	`asukasoryu`	`ok so, I installed fubar. Doesn't have an option for AGUF either.`
`00:36.02`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24573 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.toc: ag_UnitFrames: Update TOC again.`
`00:36.12`	`Enalung`	`hmm felwood farmer, haden't seen that addon before on ace. gona grab it`
`00:36.18`	`Pogo`	`djspark: Is each drop showing up as an event in the Raidtracker? Or just EQdkp?`
`00:36.20`	`sbu`	`vhaarr, : uhm - i fixed your last fix`
`00:36.26`	`sbu`	`in case you didnt notice ;o`
`00:36.30`	`vhaarr`	`sbu: I didn't break anything.`
`00:36.39`	`djspark`	`Pogo: just eqdkp`
`00:36.45`	`Kirkburn`	`How in boogly boogle can I chat on here whilst I can't get on the internet ... eh? EH? :)`
`00:37.00`	`Enalung`	`I guess I may end up writing a mod then.`
`00:37.06`	`glo`	`asukasoryu you have to grab the aguf plugin`
`00:37.12`	`Enalung`	`Only time will tell`
`00:37.27`	`sbu`	`vhaarr: hm no - but there was AceOO instead of AceOO-2.0`
`00:37.31`	`sbu`	`and not working then ;o`
`00:37.56`	`vhaarr`	`sbu: Not my fault.`
`00:37.57`	`Pogo`	`djspark: one minute`
`00:37.57`	`djspark`	`Pogo: ok`
`00:38.17`	`sbu`	`vhaarr: i didnt say it was your fault :o`
`00:38.27`	`vhaarr`	`sbu: Yes you did.`
`00:38.34`	`vhaarr`	`"<sbu>vhaarr, : uhm - i fixed your last fix"`
`00:38.49`	`Gnarfoz_`	`that doesn't necessarily imply it was your fault you fixed`
`00:39.02`	`vhaarr`	`yes it does`
`00:39.07`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24574 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Can't detach the tooltip.`
`00:39.10`	`vhaarr`	`er`
`00:39.13`	`vhaarr`	`maybe not`
`00:39.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`it just means your fix was faulty, whether that actually was the case or not - grammar is a bitch anyway :\`
`00:39.39`	`vhaarr`	`sbu: Sounded that way in my head, sorry.`
`00:40.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`which rev of agUF is usable now? ;D`
`00:40.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`commit spree`
`00:40.38`	`Miles`	`i guess 24574 :p`
`00:40.53`	`NeoTron`	`anyone have any screenshots of Baggins in action?`
`00:41.04`	`asukasoryu`	`Before or after it worked?`
`00:41.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`sigh dont even have a chance in hell of killing Kruul because of morons`
`00:41.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`he drops the same stuff kazzak does, anyway`
`00:41.27`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24575 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Get back the nice .version field ag stole from us.`
`00:41.32`	`Nargiddley`	`NeoTron http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3760/bagginsqp7.jpg`
`00:42.13`	`Nargiddley`	`slightly outdated but thats the idea`
`00:42.14`	`NeoTron`	`hmm.`
`00:42.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah and i still want fel infused leggings`
`00:42.35`	`NeoTron`	`anyone know of any single-window bank/bag addons that sort / group the items in the view?`
`00:43.06`	`_neuron_`	`arkinventory NeoTron`
`00:43.06`	`NeoTron`	`I have been hacking EngBank / EngInventory to work with each patch but I really would like something maintained and/or more maintainable`
`00:43.18`	`Nargiddley`	`Baggins can be setup as a single window`
`00:43.42`	`NeoTron`	`oh interesting`
`00:43.47`	`NeoTron`	`any shots of arkinventory?`
`00:43.52`	`Nargiddley`	`not as good a layout for it as most of the other ones tho`
`00:44.01`	`Nargiddley`	`but thats being worked on`
`00:44.26`	`asukasoryu`	`onebag`
`00:44.32`	`kergoth`	`NeoTron: vbagnon works too`
`00:44.34`	`asukasoryu`	`Vbagnon used to but it broke`
`00:44.39`	`asukasoryu`	`did they fix it?`
`00:44.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`NeoTron, ArkInventory looks a -lot- like EngInventory`
`00:44.41`	`anenigma`	`works fine for me?`
`00:44.42`	`kergoth`	`broke?`
`00:44.46`	`kergoth`	`works fine here`
`00:44.46`	`NeoTron`	`onebag didn't seem like it sorted?`
`00:44.48`	`asukasoryu`	`mine was not working at all`
`00:44.52`	`Miles`	`ArkInventory works fine here`
`00:44.56`	`anenigma`	`last patch to vbagnon was 13th of december, and it works fine here`
`00:45.15`	`NeoTron`	`NightHawkTheSane: ok`
`00:45.54`	`asukasoryu`	`ok so where is the file tree that lets me download old versions of mods on wowace?`
`00:46.06`	Funkeh`	`nn folks`
`00:46.32`	`Pogo`	`djspark: What do you get after you parse your import string?`
`00:46.38`	`kergoth`	`hrm`
`00:46.44`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24576 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua:`
`00:46.44`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`00:46.44`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:46.48`	`asukasoryu`	`soo`
`00:46.48`	`_neuron_`	`weee`
`00:46.52`	`asukasoryu`	`AGUF is f'd`
`00:47.02`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`:(`
`00:47.04`	`asukasoryu`	`I get the toolbar in fubar`
`00:47.08`	`asukasoryu`	`but it doesn't do shit`
`00:47.11`	`kergoth`	`i need to write an svk log filter perl module to act like 'tail', the opposite of the head module`
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`00:48.18`	`Thorgard`	`Dang.`
`00:48.20`	ag`	`_neuron_: negative`
`00:49.08`	`NeoTron`	`btw as a general note to any ace addon developers here - since moving away from non-ace things (transition not yet finished) my life has become much nicer. just thought you should know in this age of whines and complaints`
`00:49.30`	`Thorgard`	`Kaelten, nice server stats. ;P`
`00:49.36`	`Miles`	`for users, yea`
`00:49.37`	`poptix`	`why is the addon Ace2 trying to make insecure calls or something to RaidFramePulloutblahblahblah`
`00:49.51`	`cynyr`	`NeoTron: same here`
`00:49.54`	`kergoth`	`in my opinion, one of the nicest things about ace2 is the consistency in behavior among addons using it`
`00:49.58`	`kergoth`	`profiles, chat handling, etc`
`00:50.00`	`Miles`	`for devs it's easier to get stuff done, but makes it harder to debug :<`
`00:50.06`	`kergoth`	`just feels consistent from a configuration standpoint`
`00:50.13`	`kergoth`	`Miles: harder to debug? in what way?`
`00:50.25`	`Pogo`	`Yeah, until every addon shows two of the same profile in the profile list.`
`00:50.26`	`NeoTron`	`debugging in WoW is quite a nightmare in general. anyone know of any good developer tools?`
`00:50.27`	`Miles`	`I have no idea what addon manages to taint disenchanting`
`00:50.33`	`Antiar1`	`.........`
`00:50.43`	`Antiar1`	`Apparently shaman can use Far Sight and cap nodes now.`
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`00:50.47`	`Antiar1`	`Uhh.`
`00:50.49`	`NeoTron`	`like break points, watching variables, evaluating code (with a code history) and stuff like that`
`00:50.50`	`_neuron_`	`lol`
`00:50.51`	`_neuron_`	`sweet`
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`00:50.54`	`Miles`	`or any other of the 10 invalid issues a day that gets filed @ aguf tracker`
`00:50.58`	`Pogo`	`Can hunters do it too?`
`00:51.07`	`Antiar1`	`No idea.`
`00:51.11`	`NeoTron`	`Miles: the whole tainting seems like a major pain in the rear to debug in general`
`00:51.14`	`kergoth`	`Miles: ace2 isnt causing that problem`
`00:51.15`	`Enalung`	`I did hear of a few but they are all beta`
`00:51.16`	`kergoth`	`yeah, it is`
`00:51.33`	`Miles`	`yea, but it gets thrown into 1 big pile of blocked actions`
`00:51.35`	`NeoTron`	`Not like Blizzard is helping "addon X was naughty. Disable or ignore?"`
`00:51.36`	`hypetech`	`is ag_uf updated anywhere that we can get to?`
`00:51.37`	`Thorgard`	`pastamancer, does your mirror update every hour approximately on the hour?`
`00:51.42`	`Enalung`	`And frankly nodepad fits my needs as long as there isn't something stable out there to develop on`
`00:51.50`	`kergoth`	`NeoTron: there's a project called wowbench, it enables you to run addons outside of wow, emulates parts of the wow api and stuff.. but it hasnt been updated for lua 5.1 and wow 2.0 yet`
`00:52.00`	`Miles`	`99% of the case in aguf, since it's the first to get loaded`
`00:52.06`	`NeoTron`	`does it support UI stuff?`
`00:52.17`	`kergoth`	`fraid not, you can simulate clicks on frames and stuff, but you cant -see- them`
`00:52.24`	`kergoth`	`it does have a rudamentary debugger though`
`00:52.24`	ag`	`Miles: we need to change the name to start with something at the end of the alphabet`
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`00:52.37`	`NeoTron`	`I have had this issue with my tetris that after playing for a significant amount of time, it sometimes deadlocks`
`00:52.49`	`Miles`	ag`: how about zzzzzzUnitFrames?
`00:52.49`	`NeoTron`	`hard to debug without a ui. :)`
`00:52.57`	`Enalung`	`I can understand why there's not really a good parser for lua out there`
`00:53.01`	ag`	`Miles: fine with me:P`
`00:53.03`	`Enalung`	`Lua is such a complex language`
`00:53.07`	`kergoth`	`Enalung: what?`
`00:53.09`	`Thorgard`	ag`, make it zag_UnitFrames. ;P
`00:53.16`	`NeoTron`	`lua is actually quite simplistic as languages go`
`00:53.19`	`kergoth`	`i can think of 3 parsers for lua off the top of my head.`
`00:53.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`take off every 'zig'`
`00:53.20`	`Miles`	`Enalung: get scite`
`00:53.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`zig_uf`
`00:53.24`	`kergoth`	`some in lua, some in c`
`00:53.24`	`NeoTron`	`that's why it's favored for embedding`
`00:53.29`	`kergoth`	`and its a simple language, as neo says`
`00:53.31`	`kergoth`	`simple and flexible`
`00:53.33`	`Enalung`	`scite?`
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`00:53.44`	`Thorgard`	`Enalung, yeah, sciTE rocketh.`
`00:53.51`	`Enalung`	`explain`
`00:53.54`	`Sushicat`	`is there a wowace updater that updates all your ace addons? or somthing...`
`00:53.55`	`cynyr`	`Miles: i agree it does seem harder to debug... had an issue with gmail a while back.. and it walked through all my ace addons till it got to gmail...`
`00:54.03`	`Thorgard`	`http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html <- SciTE`
`00:54.39`	`kergoth`	`ace2 does not make addon debugging any more difficult. using libraries at all, perhaps, adds a bit more complexity to making sense of the stack traces, but nothing extraordinarily difficult`
`00:54.45`	`kergoth`	`and that isnt in any way specific to ace2.`
`00:54.48`	`Sushicat`	`u guys now?..`
`00:54.51`	`Sushicat`	`err know`
`00:54.52`	ag`	`Guys`
`00:54.54`	ag`	`Masterlooting`
`00:55.00`	`Thorgard`	`Sushicat, yes.`
`00:55.06`	ag`	`how do I know which raid member is the master looter in 2.0.3?`
`00:55.10`	`NeoTron`	`but note that the site currently is quite overloaded`
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`00:55.15`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ`
`00:55.18`	`Thorgard`	`Sushicat, http://sourceforge.net/projects/wowaceupdater`
`00:55.25`	`Arrowmaster`	ag`: you in a raid now and need to do it?
`00:55.28`	`Miles`	`kergoth: meh, it's the Blizzard agUF is doing some blocked stuff, ignore / disable that's killing Ace2`
`00:55.30`	`_neuron_`	if it's anything like promoting people or kicking people from raid it's completely random ag` :p
`00:55.34`	`cladhaire`	`Were any of you guys having the GC memory issues (constantly rising, bad pauses, etc?)`
`00:55.37`	ag`	`Arrowmaster: no the API`
`00:55.47`	`Miles`	`kergoth: even if the blocked action is from some ancient addon`
`00:55.53`	`PProvost`	`Sushicat, be aware that it is VERY slow right now because the server is getting hammered. (wowace not sourceforge)`
`00:56.02`	ag`	`I've heard that you can get masterlooter for raid units in 2.0.3`
`00:56.07`	ag`	`so which API is it`
`00:56.11`	`kergoth`	`uh, a block doenst "kill" ace2, just load bugsack and move on with your day`
`00:56.13`	`NeoTron`	`cladhaire: I've noticed much less frequent calls to gc with the new lua and thus had memory use over 150 MB but I really don't notice any major issues like in the good old days..`
`00:56.21`	`cladhaire`	ag`: GetLootType() i think
`00:56.22`	`cladhaire`	`second return`
`00:56.23`	`kergoth`	`that doesnt make ace2 addons any more difficult to debug than non-ace2 ones`
`00:56.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`SetLootMethod()`
`00:56.24`	`Miles`	`kergoth: users don't use bugsack`
`00:56.32`	`poptix`	`master looting in 2.0.3 = lawl`
`00:56.32`	`PProvost`	`They should`
`00:56.33`	`kergoth`	`users wont be debugging.`
`00:56.36`	`vhaarr`	ag`: I said that a few days ago in dev.
`00:56.40`	`vhaarr`	ag`: And it's from GetRaidRosterInfo.
`00:56.43`	`cladhaire`	`NeoTron: Whats your initial memory size?`
`00:56.45`	`Miles`	`kergoth: some even just submit screenshots with errors without stacktrace`
`00:56.47`	`poptix`	`apparently it's suffering from the same bugs as everything else to do with raids`
`00:56.53`	`kergoth`	`if they know enough to isolate the cause of a problem, then they should know enough to use bugsack`
`00:56.56`	ag`	`vhaarr: GetRaidRosterInfo, ok`
`00:57.04`	`vhaarr`	ag`: The 11th return or something silly :P
`00:57.07`	ag`	`cladhaire: check out GetRaidRosterInfo, vharr says it's there`
`00:57.12`	`cladhaire`	`k`
`00:57.13`	`kergoth`	`which isnt an ace2 problem. you've yet to make a single valid point for your statement that ace2 addons are harder to debug than non-ace2 ones.`
`00:57.13`	`cynyr`	`kergoth: from a dev point of view, i'm sure it doesn't... but from my end, why would, for example, onebag cause aguf to do something insecure? i understand that it was a problem with the way onebag was doing something with the ace2 lib.. but....`
`00:57.26`	`NeoTron`	`cladhaire: uhm.. 50-80 MB or something`
`00:57.26`	`Enalung`	`Swatter is nice to have arround for errors. It displays them a little better then the default wow UI box which is usualy too small.`
`00:57.29`	`Miles`	`hehe`
`00:57.30`	ag`	`vhaarr: which argument is it?`
`00:57.35`	`fud`	`cladhaire: Has the move to lua 5.0 and generational GC something to with this, you think?`
`00:57.37`	`vhaarr`	ag`: local ml = select(11, GetRaidRosterInfo(i))
`00:57.38`	`Miles`	`spaghetti error references :P`
`00:57.41`	`NeoTron`	`but I have wonderful memory hogs like auctioneer, gatherer, and such`
`00:58.19`	`kergoth`	`cynyr: and if thats the case, its an issue with the use of libraries in general, not of ace2 specifically`
`00:58.19`	`kergoth`	`as i said above.`
`00:58.19`	`vhaarr`	ag`: If ml is non-nil, the i person is the ML.
`00:58.19`	`cladhaire`	`I have ideas/fixes for the memory concern`
`00:58.19`	`cladhaire`	`i jsut need peopel to try it out for me.`
`00:58.19`	`poptix`	`at least auctioneer is LoD`
`00:58.19`	`kergoth`	`ace2 isnt the only addon framework around`
`00:58.19`	`PProvost`	`Enalung, BugSack is similar`
`00:58.20`	`poptix`	`try lootlink with a full item database =P`
`00:58.20`	`vhaarr`	ag`: Make sense?
`00:58.20`	`cladhaire`	`kergoth: What error is this?`
`00:58.21`	`NeoTron`	`poptix: indeed`
`00:58.22`	`Enalung`	`searie's lootlink?`
`00:58.32`	`Enalung`	`Been poping errors ever since patch`
`00:58.38`	`poptix`	`telo`
`00:58.42`	`cynyr`	`kergoth: agreed`
`00:58.48`	ag`	`vhaarr: yes`
`00:58.51`	`vhaarr`	ag`: good
`00:58.59`	`kenlyric\|home`	`poptix: when did they add a command to auctioneer to have it unload on demand? ;)`
`00:59.01`	`Enalung`	`THere's multiple flavors of lootlink`
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`00:59.13`	`PProvost`	`kenlyric\|home, is it called ReloadUI() :)`
`00:59.18`	`steev`	`feh`
`00:59.20`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: someone arguing that using ace2 somehow makes debugging more difficult, likely due to addon blocking messages`
`00:59.22`	`vhaarr`	ag`: Maybe we should add some utility functions to rosterlib for this.
`00:59.24`	`steev`	`world server is down sigh`
`00:59.27`	`kergoth`	`no speciifc issue`
`00:59.27`	`cynyr`	`kergoth: i blame blizard for not having decent debugging in place`
`00:59.30`	`cladhaire`	`kergoth: Ah yes, then they're incorrect =)`
`00:59.38`	`cladhaire`	`cynyr: Then you have no concept of what this system entails`
`00:59.38`	`vhaarr`	`Indeed they are.`
`01:00.00`	`Jordan`	`Sorry if I am in the wrong place`
`01:00.06`	`cynyr`	`cladhaire: you're right, i havn't written an addon yet...`
`01:00.07`	`Enalung`	`Well that tiny little box with a big red button does not tell you much`
`01:00.20`	`Thorgard`	`Enalung, that's why you use Buggrabber/Bugsack.`
`01:00.23`	`cladhaire`	`i mean the C implementatino of the taint system =)`
`01:00.24`	`cladhaire`	`actually`
`01:00.26`	`Jordan`	`I am trying to submit a bug in bartender3, the link I was given sent me here for some reason`
`01:00.43`	`cynyr`	`cladhaire: and do very little programing.. i'm luck i can do fprintf(stdout, "hello world); in C`
`01:00.44`	`Jordan`	`am I in the wrong place?`
`01:00.44`	`_neuron_`	`Jordan, wowace.com is in low bandwidth mode because of high load ;)`
`01:00.45`	`Enalung`	`Go up, you'll see that I have swatter which does the same`
`01:00.51`	`cladhaire`	`heheh`
`01:01.01`	`Pogo`	`Hmm... you know there were absolutely not bugs I found yesterday in my Ace2 mods, and it looks like everyone's breaking them today.`
`01:01.03`	`_neuron_`	`Jordan, if your lucky the developer of bartender3 is around ;)`
`01:01.04`	`steev`	`frick`
`01:01.05`	`vhaarr`	`Enalung: Difference is that Swatter sucks, BugSack doesn't.`
`01:01.05`	`Enalung`	`I'll check the bug addons`
`01:01.12`	`steev`	`both the characters i want to play are on that continent`
`01:01.30`	`Jordan`	`ahhhh OK.Thanks guys. I will wait until things settle down abit. sorry for being a pain`
`01:01.36`	`Enalung`	`You don't need to hammer a nail with a mace you know?`
`01:01.44`	`Pogo`	`Jordan! How dare you be a pain!`
`01:01.48`	`Thorgard`	`Enalung, if Swatter gives you a 'tiny little box with a big red button' you should try Bugsack/Buggrabber. ;P`
`01:02.05`	`Enalung`	`i was talking about the default blizzard UI on that part`
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`01:02.19`	`Enalung`	`Swater gives you a box with a schroll frame`
`01:02.29`	`Pogo`	`djspark: I'm sorry but I just can't find anything about your problem.`
`01:02.37`	`vhaarr`	`Enalung: What's the problem anyway?`
`01:02.38`	`steev`	`bugsack > swatter`
`01:02.44`	`vhaarr`	`Enalung: So, you've got Swatter, what the hell do we care?`
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`01:03.01`	`Pogo`	`djspark: I think it's a problem with the way your eqDKP is setup on your website. You might not be catching events.`
`01:03.06`	`Enalung`	`Exactly, now we understand each other.`
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`01:03.19`	`vhaarr`	`Enalung: So what do you want, got a bug to report?`
`01:03.23`	`Sushicat`	`Thorgard once dl'd.. how does it work. its blank in the window..`
`01:03.25`	`Enalung`	`Oh pogo, you back on that all the way up there?`
`01:03.28`	`Barbanus`	`vhaarr, I love your bluntness`
`01:03.29`	`Pogo`	`djspark: So it's definitely something wrong with your website's configuration.`
`01:03.34`	`Enalung`	`That's our custum DKP system`
`01:03.37`	`Thorgard`	`Sushicat, it's grabbing the index from the server.`
`01:03.41`	`cynyr`	`cladhaire: i'm just saying that using a lib in more than one addon should not taint the stack of all the others. or at least it should be smart enough to know which one made the offending call.. and will say it is certinly not wowace devs fault, nor do i blame them for it.`
`01:03.43`	`Thorgard`	`Sushicat, it's gonna be deathly slow, though.`
`01:03.43`	`vhaarr`	`Barbanus: :P`
`01:03.48`	`Enalung`	`We want to make the move to one that uses in game addon to do the work`
`01:03.50`	`Thorgard`	`Sushicat, the statusbar should say what it's doing.`
`01:04.14`	`Pogo`	`Enalung: Replying to djspark's specific problem with the DKP system he's using, which is the same as most guilds.`
`01:04.16`	`CIA-17`	`03adirelle * r24577 10Baggins/ (Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins-frFR.lua Baggins.lua Baggins.toc):`
`01:04.16`	`CIA-17`	`Baggins: Baggins:`
`01:04.16`	`CIA-17`	`- added an option that try to reduce bag sizes by tweaking section layout,`
`01:04.16`	`CIA-17`	`- some french translation.`
`01:04.18`	`Antiar1`	`cynyr: Not entirely possible with shared libs. You could do that if each mod had its own copy of the lib, but that would slaughter performance.`
`01:04.23`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`I'm trying to use profiles for my characters with Fubar. However I've noticed a few addons don't seem to respect the profile settings (If they are enabled in one profile they show up for them all). Is there anything I can do about this?`
`01:04.31`	`CIA-17`	`03hati * r24578 10RaidGroupNumber/RaidGroupNumber.toc: RaidGroupNumber: .toc updated for 2.0.3`
`01:04.42`	`cynyr`	`Antiar1: there is no way to trace the stack up?`
`01:04.59`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24579 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua:`
`01:04.59`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`01:04.59`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:05.10`	`Pogo`	`EvilGrin: That sounds like a problem with setting your Default profile isntead of choosing a different profile and working on that.`
`01:05.12`	ag`	`vhaarr: could you look at line 1241-1264 and check if it looks right`
`01:05.19`	`Jordan`	`Neuron, do you know what the bartender3 guys name is?`
`01:05.21`	`vhaarr`	ag`: sec
`01:05.25`	ag`	`vhaarr: ok thanks`
`01:05.31`	`Adirelle`	`night`
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`01:05.35`	`Antiar1`	`Heh, I've done some stack parsing in Lua, and it's not impossible, but it's kinda a pain ;)`
`01:05.41`	`Pogo`	`Enalung: eqDKP is thesystem you want, but it's not seamlessly installable. There is no user-friendy automated system.`
`01:05.50`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`Pogo, I did use just the default profile originally. Any idea how I can fix it?`
`01:06.00`	`Miles`	`oh noes`
`01:06.13`	`Miles`	unchecked commits? bad ag` bad
`01:06.21`	ag`	`Miles: I did /rl`
`01:06.24`	ag`	`but I have no raid`
`01:06.26`	`Pogo`	`EvilGrin: Nope, no idea. I'm thinking of wiping all my settings and starting from scratch since I now have duplicate profile names in my lists.`
`01:06.32`	`Miles`	`yea, so :P`
`01:06.44`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`Pogo, ah I had that with SCT. :P`
`01:07.01`	`cynyr`	`Antiar1: by no means am i saying that that kind of traceing should be on by default but maybe an interface option to slaughter perfomace to debug, like as you mentioned load a seperate copy of the lib for each addon that uses it so you can debug better`
`01:07.08`	`Pogo`	`EvilGrin: Yeah, that's where it started, with SCT profiles. And now it's showing up everywhere like a plague.`
`01:07.19`	`Thorgard`	ag`, in the interest of getting my wife to stop bothering me, are the combo points back to working status in agUF in any recent revision? ;P
`01:07.20`	`vhaarr`	ag`: yeah
`01:07.30`	`vhaarr`	ag`: provided self.number is correct for raid units
`01:07.37`	`cynyr`	`Antiar1: then again it looks like that is not what blizard want to encourage`
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`01:07.39`	`vhaarr`	ag`: What editor do you use?
`01:07.39`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`Pogo :/`
`01:07.46`	`vhaarr`	ag`: Every commit, you fuck up indenting?
`01:07.48`	`Pogo`	`EvilGrin: So I think the only solution is to choose your profiles for each addon immediately when you enter the game, then /reloadui, and THEN work on your add-ons.`
`01:08.00`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`Pogo, ugh`
`01:08.05`	`Enalung`	`Well pogo, at worse there's a few of us that can edit the PhP side of the bargain and I'm getting tehre on the lua.`
`01:08.18`	`Enalung`	`I'll just worry about DKP latter`
`01:08.23`	`Pogo`	`EvilGrin\|Win: Yeah, but it should work after you do that.`
`01:08.37`	`Enalung`	`First thing I want to do is to figure out dewdrop`
`01:08.41`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`Pogo, ok I shall save that for a rainy day :)`
`01:08.59`	`Pogo`	`Enalung: Yeah then that's what you want to do. Here's a link- http://eqdkp.com/`
`01:09.18`	`Pogo`	`Enalung: Happy forum hunting :)`
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`01:09.33`	`Enalung`	`Always`
`01:09.39`	`Enalung`	`I'm a post whore.`
`01:09.39`	`Pogo`	`EvilGrin\|Win: Save it for tomorrow after the Ace guys finish up their updates :)`
`01:09.55`	`Dryft`	`Hey, is there a way to see Combo Points with AGUF?`
`01:10.06`	ag`	`Dryft: on by default`
`01:10.06`	`Pogo`	`EvilGrin\|Win: I'm probably gonna wipe my WTF folder and start all new after TBC`
`01:10.17`	ag`	`Dryft: if it doesn't work now you're using an old version`
`01:10.27`	`Pogo`	`Dryft: bug, get a new version`
`01:10.29`	`cynyr`	`Dryft: i think i just saw an update to aguf for that.`
`01:10.33`	`Roartindon`	`ag: thoughts no adding target of focus frames? I have working code for it?`
`01:10.37`	`Roartindon`	`on*`
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`01:11.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow is dev.wowace.com overloaded too`
`01:11.15`	ag`	`Roartindon: yeah I will probably add it`
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`01:11.18`	`Prophyy`	`anyone use perfecttargets?`
`01:11.24`	`Prophyy`	`not showing MT's name`
`01:11.26`	ag`	`Roartindon: feel free to commit it`
`01:11.42`	`Roartindon`	`will do, thanks.`
`01:11.48`	ag`	`Roartindon: all it needs is values in the default and to be added to the unit type list`
`01:11.55`	ag`	`and then create the frame at :Enable`
`01:12.10`	`Pogo`	`Oh I remember a question I had now.`
`01:12.12`	`Roartindon`	`Yep, I've dnoe them :)`
`01:12.20`	`Roartindon`	`And the translations`
`01:12.26`	`Pogo`	`I need a mod to invite people when they whisper me a keyword`
`01:12.42`	`ThirdGear`	`Can you give me a hand plz ....I have the ApplyToForehead patch for WOW but witch Folder do I drop it in?`
`01:12.55`	`Pogo`	`AKA, I have to invite 39 freakin people to an MC raid and my fingers are bleeding after half the raid is in.`
`01:13.06`	`Enalung`	`EQdkp seems like it will do it`
`01:13.22`	`Roartindon`	`oRA2 has an invite keywodr option doesn't it?`
`01:13.25`	`Enalung`	`The question now is will it make it past our security paranoid admin`
`01:13.54`	`Pogo`	`I dunno Roart... I don't use oRA2`
`01:14.01`	`Miles`	`Pogo: ctra can do it`
`01:14.21`	`cynyr`	`Pogo: i think oRA does to`
`01:14.33`	`Pogo`	`Hmm, if CTRA can do it then I completely missed something.`
`01:14.42`	`Enalung`	`CTraid... Right now it's just the old version with a leg and an arm amputated`
`01:15.32`	`Miles`	`heh, true`
`01:15.37`	`Miles`	`ctra used to do it then :P`
`01:15.58`	`Enalung`	`That's actualy one of the features it got to keep`
`01:16.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`sanity errors QQ`
`01:16.16`	`ThirdGear`	`Can you give me a hand plz ....I have the ApplyToForehead patch for WOW but witch Folder do I drop it in?`
`01:16.18`	`Pogo`	`Hmm, I'll have to check theoptions tonight.`
`01:16.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`oRA2 does have /rakeyword`
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`01:16.45`	`Pogo`	`oRA2 is compatible with CTRA MT windows?`
`01:16.46`	`Roartindon`	`If you're leading a raid, surely you use either ctra, or ora2?`
`01:16.50`	`Roartindon`	`yes`
`01:17.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`Pogo, until Cide breaks them on us (intentionally or not who knows) yes`
`01:17.05`	`Pogo`	`Can you set CTRA MT windows with oRA2?`
`01:17.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`seems to work last I checked`
`01:17.37`	`cynyr`	`Pogo: yes, MT's and a few other things seem to be programed to work with ctra`
`01:17.38`	`Roartindon`	`Pogo: yes. it's a ctra drop in replacement`
`01:17.42`	`Pogo`	`Yes I'm using CTRA, but I never saw the auto-invite function.`
`01:17.52`	`Pogo`	`Ok, I'll have to check out oRA2 tonight.`
`01:18.03`	`Roartindon`	`use /rainvite 60 to invite all giuld members level 60`
`01:18.03`	`Pogo`	`And see how customizable the health bars are.`
`01:18.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`or /rakeyword sekrits`
`01:18.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`and they whisper you "sekrits" for invite`
`01:18.36`	`Pogo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:18.39`	`Roartindon`	`dev.wowace.com has stopped responding for me, can't update/commit atm`
`01:19.11`	`fud`	`Pogo: Beware, oRA2 does not have it's own unitframes as CTRA did.`
`01:19.16`	`KarlThePagan`	`atleast /rakeyword worked for me last time i had to use it... it might ahve changed Pogo`
`01:19.20`	`sbu`	`nite`
`01:19.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea I like Grid for frames`
`01:19.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`we <3 grid`
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`01:19.56`	`Sushicat`	`anyone having probs with wowace updater timing out?`
`01:19.56`	`Enalung`	`The CTraid autoinvite is just a /command, it does not have a GIU`
`01:20.08`	`PProvost`	`Is there a definitive reference for CTRA/oRA2? I was never able to find any good docs when I went looking.`
`01:20.12`	`Pogo`	`fud: What do you mean?`
`01:20.17`	`Enalung`	`it's /rakeyword wordyouwanttouse`
`01:20.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Pogo: oRA2 is just the raid assist back end, there's no unit frames included, except for MT/PT frames`
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`01:20.54`	`fud`	`Pogo: Well, CTRA has Raid unit frame as part of the mod, right? ORA2 doesn't. It just sounded like you were expecting unirframes from ORA.`
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`01:21.18`	`KarlThePagan`	`it does show MT and PT windows tho`
`01:21.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`so it has some unit frames`
`01:21.24`	`lapalapa`	`sup`
`01:21.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`just not groups`
`01:21.32`	`Pogo`	`Ahhh I see what you mean.`
`01:21.36`	`Quetzi`	`which basically means you get the raid functions you need and get to pick whichever raid frames you prefer`
`01:21.39`	`Sushicat`	`anyone having probs with wowace updater timing out?`
`01:21.49`	`_neuron_`	`Sushicat, the server's overloaded, dont update :P`
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`01:21.52`	`lapalapa`	`yeah seems like it isnt wokring`
`01:21.55`	`Pogo`	`Hmm, maybe I should be recommending oRA2 for the DPS classes instead of requiring CTRA from everyone.`
`01:21.56`	`lapalapa`	`yup`
`01:22.02`	`fud`	`Ah yes, it does have a few frames like MainTanks, and such. But not general raid unit frames.`
`01:22.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Pogo: for raid frames, you might look into something like PerfectRaid (though its in beta), Grid, or sRaidFrames (the latter is very ctra-like)`
`01:22.26`	`fud`	`I use a combination of ag_UF, oRA2 and BigWigs`
`01:22.59`	`fud`	`Oh, and PerfectTargets, of course ;)`
`01:22.59`	`Pogo`	`I plan on using ag_UF raid frames now that classes are implemented.`
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`01:23.01`	`kergoth`	`svn: File 'branches/Buffalo/Nimbal/Buffalo/Buffalo_Container.lua' has binary mime type property`
`01:23.04`	`kergoth`	`thats odd`
`01:23.10`	`Pogo`	`But I'm gonna need to show dispellable debuffs in those raid frames.`
`01:23.20`	`DrZoot`	`we should do a money raising drive to get a new server for ace hosting, im sure people would chip in a couple of dollars`
`01:23.20`	`Miles`	`btw`
`01:23.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah, aguf has raid frames doesnt it? shrug i don't use it so i keep forgetting.`
`01:23.29`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24580 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_UnitClass.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua ag_WatchdogTags.lua): ag_UnitFrames: Use str:method instead of string.method and clean up some indenting again.`
`01:23.30`	`Pogo`	`I'm not sure I like the "aura" way you setup buffs/debuffs`
`01:23.38`	`Miles`	`is someone working on a spell status lib addon?`
`01:23.39`	`PProvost`	`I find I'm not using PerfectTargets nearly as much as when they were clickable unit frames... might uninstall it... we'll see`
`01:23.43`	`vhaarr`	`Miles: What for?`
`01:23.52`	`Miles`	`tracking cast targets`
`01:23.58`	`vhaarr`	`Miles: UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT`
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`01:24.06`	`PProvost`	`Sushicat, yes. wowace.com/files is SLAMMED. I told you that 30 minutes ago.`
`01:24.08`	`Miles`	`for others in the raid :P`
`01:24.11`	`fud`	`ag_UF does have raid frames, and until PerfectRaid is working again (is it yet?) then it will have to do (bugs and all)`
`01:24.19`	`vhaarr`	`Miles: :P`
`01:24.22`	`Freedon`	`wow`
`01:24.30`	`Freedon`	`anyone noticed the downloads are going fast right now :D`
`01:24.34`	`kergoth`	`oh hell, i accidentally committed directly to my svk mirror`
`01:24.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`fud: i havn't actually tried it but there's a beta up on wowi.`
`01:25.10`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r24581 10ag_UnitFrames/locales/ag_UnitFrames-deDE.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Updated deDE Translation`
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`01:25.29`	`Pogo`	`I'm heavy on rearranging my raid class windows depending on the raid situation.`
`01:25.35`	`Roartindon`	`hmm.. /aguf config has gone missing today it seems`
`01:25.39`	`rooks`	`hey anyone know where i can download wowace updater program?`
`01:25.42`	`fud`	`NightHawkTheSane: Cool, I might give it a go when patch madness has calmed a little`
`01:25.44`	`kergoth`	`grid helps for that, has lots of layouts`
`01:25.46`	`_neuron_`	`Roartindon, use fubar plugin for configuring it`
`01:25.48`	`kergoth`	`odd/even, etc`
`01:26.02`	`Pogo`	`is Grid ready?`
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`01:26.06`	`rooks`	`i can't find a download link with the site down`
`01:26.07`	`rooks`	`:/`
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`01:26.28`	`Roartindon`	`neuron: I can configure it fine even using /script comnands; just wasn't sure it was intended taht /aguf config be broken`
`01:26.32`	`cynyr`	`anyone else having problems with grid? "castcommlib" and "utf8sub()"?`
`01:26.33`	`fud`	`Roar.: It got removed in a commit no long ago...`
`01:26.40`	`Roartindon`	`ah, okay`
`01:26.52`	`fud`	`not*`
`01:27.11`	`Roartindon`	`as long as it was intentional; I see what looks like code remanants of it still.`
`01:27.16`	`Pogo`	`I'm pretty sure he mentioned anotehr command to use.`
`01:27.24`	`DrZoot`	`wow, I just notcied the craziest bug`
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`01:27.52`	`PProvost`	`rooks, sf.net/projects/wowaceupdater`
`01:27.56`	`Pogo`	`Trust me it's probabyl not the craziest.`
`01:28.03`	`rooks`	`thanks`
`01:28.05`	`cynyr`	`rooks: look on www.sourceforge.net`
`01:28.31`	`Pogo`	`DrZoot: But it'll be entertaining anyways... shoot.`
`01:28.34`	`PProvost`	`rooks, be prepared though... the server is slammed. expect slow downloads and timeouts`
`01:28.45`	`rooks`	`yeah i know`
`01:28.53`	`rooks`	`just need to download grid`
`01:28.55`	`rooks`	`and thats all`
`01:28.56`	`rooks`	`lol`
`01:29.03`	`PProvost`	`Then download it: http://www.wowace.com/files/Grid/`
`01:29.12`	`DrZoot`	`anyone who has a warlock with nemesis shoulders have a look at the green fire that comes out of the eyes on the shoulders, pre 2.0.3 on both sides the fire used to float up, now the fire on the left floats down over the shoulder and the right continues to float up`
`01:29.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`sec ill check`
`01:29.30`	`DrZoot`	`how does blizzard manage to change this stuff?`
`01:29.39`	`Pogo`	`Yeah that's pretty crazy.`
`01:29.45`	`Pogo`	`Bugs like that never make sense.`
`01:29.52`	`cynyr`	`DrZoot: so i've heard... and it seems to be the way it was susposed to be`
`01:29.53`	`Pogo`	`It's like the rogue stealth super-fast animation bug.`
`01:30.02`	`PProvost`	`ANyone see my question about oRA2/CTRA commands? Are there docs out there somewhere?`
`01:30.08`	`fud`	`I'm trying to checkout stuff from SVN and I keep getting "PROPFIND request failed on 'wowace/!svn/bin/24581'". Is that me doing wrong, or just a load issue?`
`01:30.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah ill confirm that one`
`01:30.17`	`Roartindon`	`cynyr: are you using embedded libraries? svn? or winaceupdater?`
`01:30.20`	`DrZoot`	`Im sure that both sides used to float up pre 2.0.3`
`01:30.24`	`Roartindon`	`fud: load issue`
`01:30.26`	`Miles`	`vhaarr: poke`
`01:30.34`	`vhaarr`	`Miles: pong`
`01:30.39`	`kergoth`	`methinks once things settle down after the patch i'll start fixing up the line endings in svn again`
`01:30.40`	`fud`	`Roartindon: ok, thanks.`
`01:30.48`	`kergoth`	`use svn_apply_autoprops.py to get the eol style set`
`01:30.56`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: svn standalone`
`01:31.01`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: yes, please`
`01:31.03`	`Roartindon`	`with --ignore-externals?`
`01:31.07`	`Miles`	`vhaarr: wasn't there someone making an lib to send cast target of the player on the raid addon channel?`
`01:31.14`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: yep`
`01:31.17`	`vhaarr`	`Miles: Yeah, pastamancer.`
`01:31.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`overheard in guild chat "there's a new CTmod but it's sketchy"`
`01:31.19`	`Amadeo`	`http://www.iriver.co.kr/event/ces2007/c_event.asp?mode=6`
`01:31.20`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`01:31.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`yay for oRA2/Grid`
`01:31.29`	`Roartindon`	`cynyr - then you need to go into the grid directory, inside libs, do a svn propget svn:externals`
`01:31.32`	`Pogo`	`Blizzard is sketchy.`
`01:31.32`	`kergoth`	`i have a shell script to use svn_apply_autoprops and calls out a seperate ending fixup python script i have whenever it runs into inconsistent endings, will be a pain to get it checked in though`
`01:31.35`	`Miles`	`ah. what's the name of it?`
`01:31.36`	`Amadeo`	`Everyone's so confused on that page! They're like... ????`
`01:31.39`	`Roartindon`	`and you'll see there that there are some non-ace-svned lbiraries there`
`01:31.42`	`Roartindon`	`check those out`
`01:31.44`	`vhaarr`	`Miles: afaik it's not released`
`01:31.52`	`Miles`	`damn, need`
`01:32.03`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: okay sec`
`01:32.11`	`Miles`	`it would be handy for a raid addon: incoming heals on MT's, mecb style`
`01:32.13`	`kergoth`	`Kaelten: think i can get shell access to dev.wowace.com? i've got some big commits involving line endings and property fixups thatll go a -lot- quicker and with less locking issues if i can run the scripts locally`
`01:33.56`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: okay.. so how do i get those?`
`01:34.00`	`Roartindon`	`check them out :)`
`01:34.06`	`Roartindon`	`svn co --ignore-externals http://........`
`01:34.14`	`Roartindon`	`whatever the URLs are for UTF8 and CastCommLib`
`01:34.32`	`Roartindon`	`and you can move them to your top level after, since Grid is correctly dep on them`
`01:34.37`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: from the libs dir? or in my addons dir?`
`01:35.17`	`Roartindon`	`you can have it either embedded in your libs dir, or move it to your Addons/UTF8 and Addons/CastcommLib`
`01:35.32`	`Roartindon`	`I put them at the top level ,since I have an ugly script which is basically svn up --ignore-externals on all top level addons`
`01:35.36`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: okay... makes my little bash script broken again.... thanks for the help though :)`
`01:35.43`	`abyssichate`	`do you guys know Salad Fingers?`
`01:36.12`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: wait.. nvm shouldn't break my script.. thats all mine does..`
`01:36.27`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: well only for the ones with a .svn dir`
`01:37.28`	`Roartindon`	`they'll have a .svn dir`
`01:37.33`	`Roartindon`	`since they're from a svn repository`
`01:37.51`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: little out of it tonight.. :(`
`01:38.10`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24582 10SurfaceLib/Surface-1.0/Surface-1.0.lua:`
`01:38.10`	`CIA-17`	`.Surface-1.0:`
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`01:38.10`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.18`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24583 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.toc:`
`01:38.18`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`01:38.18`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.50`	`Roartindon`	`Hmm.. I've had no luck with dev.wowace.com... I'll commit Target of Focus frames sometime later`
`01:39.07`	ag`	`Roartindon: working fine for me`
`01:39.30`	`Enalung`	`Is there a miroir of the wiki anywhere?`
`01:39.52`	`Enalung`	`I'm twitching to get started on the code, I just need the documents which I just don't have!`
`01:40.12`	`steev`	`is there any addon that can make sense of the new quest log? im trying to on the default one, and it makes no sense at all`
`01:40.17`	`Roartindon`	`hmm.. okay, I'll try; maybe updating from my previous version (seems like svn:eol-style was changed) was causing too much processing/delays.. I'll do a clean checkout`
`01:40.38`	`cynyr`	`steev: questfu i think it is`
`01:40.51`	`steev`	`cynyr: thanks, ill have to check it`
`01:41.17`	`PProvost`	`Enalung, just gotta wait it out...`
`01:41.27`	`cynyr`	`steev: the fubarquest plugin.. i've never used it.. i like monkeyquest`
`01:41.55`	`steev`	`cynyr: did you just delete your sv file for it or something? because currently my mquest shows nothing, even after /mquest reset`
`01:42.09`	`steev`	`s/nothing/just quest titles/g`
`01:42.30`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I can't get this crap to work, I need a table to be read only, care to assist?`
`01:42.55`	`cynyr`	`steev: the one that works with 2.0 doesn't work with 2.0.3, there is an update i'll be trying here in like 2 min`
`01:43.10`	`cynyr`	`steev: 2.5.1`
`01:43.37`	`steev`	`hmm`
`01:43.57`	`poptix`	`they changed GetQuestLogTitle();`
`01:44.00`	`poptix`	`or whatever it is`
`01:44.18`	`poptix`	`it has an extra parameter now`
`01:44.33`	`poptix`	`if your quest mod suddenly broke, that's probably why.`
`01:44.45`	ag`	`vhaarr: I need your help`
`01:44.55`	`vhaarr`	ag`: sup?
`01:44.58`	ag`	`aguf and click2cast isn't showing up in fubar menu`
`01:45.24`	`vhaarr`	ag`: Works here.
`01:45.32`	`cynyr`	`how hard is lua to learn?`
`01:45.35`	ag`	`it's in your menu vhaarr ?`
`01:45.36`	`vhaarr`	`cynyr: easy`
`01:45.42`	`vhaarr`	ag`: yeah, and on my fubar.
`01:46.02`	ag`	`it's on my fubar too but not in the enable/disable plugin menu you get by rightclicking fubar itself`
`01:46.04`	`cynyr`	`vhaarr: for someone with little programing knowledge, i can script decetly though`
`01:46.15`	`ZealotOnAStick`	ag`: are positioning options for the cast bar coming?
`01:46.23`	`vhaarr`	ag`: it is here.
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`01:46.39`	ag`	`ZealotOnAStick: probably not... I'd rather want it up to the layout`
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`01:48.11`	`ZealotOnAStick`	ag`: that can be problematic with debuffs being able to be both either above or below, though.
`01:48.48`	`Roartindon`	`Zealot: castbars are part of the layout though, so they add to the frame size`
`01:48.54`	`Roartindon`	`So they shouldn't overlap buffs`
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`01:49.15`	ag`	`exactly`
`01:49.53`	`QQ`	`just wondering am i the only one with prat when i hit ESC it resets my chat to a smaller font, wondering if thats me or prat`
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`01:50.09`	ag`	`vhaarr: in your fubar, what category is aguf listed in?`
`01:50.17`	`vhaarr`	ag`: UnitFrame.
`01:50.21`	`Eraslin`	`I was thinking that perhaps to relieve some of the server load around patch days that maybe make a suggestion to the addon developers to refrain from committing non-essential addon updates (ex: comits that are just .toc version number updates) for a short period around patch days. A lot of people use the WoWAceUpdater to stay bleeding edge, and I imagine that quite a bit of bandwidth is wasted on just a 2-3 character change. Op`
`01:50.22`	`Eraslin`	`inions?`
`01:51.00`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24584 10BigWigs/Plugins/Bars.lua: BigWigs: Bars: We don't need to register for Surface_Registered any more since the table is updated live by Surface-1.0.`
`01:51.09`	`Pogo`	`I'd think most of the server load is because of people using the autoupdate tool.`
`01:51.13`	`Eraslin`	`For instance, I'm going through a WoWAceUpdater cycle right now and all the changelogs for everything that I'm updating are listing only .toc file changes.`
`01:51.15`	ag`	`I disabled aguf on the fubar menu and now it's like refusing to come back`
`01:51.16`	`grennon`	`pretty sure people running wowaceupdater every minutes is more load that commits`
`01:51.26`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I show aguffu, but not aguf, on my fubar.`
`01:51.34`	`fud_laptop`	`QQ: Prat has a module that does things to chatframe fontsizes.`
`01:51.40`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`but I'm not running the most-most recent agUF, since I've not been able to complete a download all day.`
`01:51.44`	`Eraslin`	`That's what I mean. The commit will create a new version that people end up downloading; when the only change is a toc version`
`01:51.53`	`_neuron_`	`imo have wowaceupdater check a text file, if server is in low bandwidth mode disable auto updating all addons (still allow updating specific addons)`
`01:51.58`	ag`	`ZealotOnAStick: aguffu is depricated, it uses it's own fubar thingy now`
`01:52.14`	`robotusch`	`:O`
`01:52.33`	`Pogo`	`So is ag 79 working? That's what I just got.`
`01:53.05`	`Enalung`	`Wait it out... Last patch, how much time did it take until the server load diminished enough to put the wiki back online?`
`01:53.23`	ag`	`use svn2.wowace.com`
`01:54.00`	`Roartindon`	`enalung: The weekend hit the wowace servers pretty hard frmo memory`
`01:54.20`	`Eraslin`	`I have no problem waiting it out. My point is more that there's a lot of non-essential commits going through that are just increasing the server load (because the autoupdate sees the update, and redownloads the entire addon) -- which is just making the problem worse.`
`01:54.20`	`Enalung`	`So that gives me a good idea then I guess`
`01:54.50`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24585 10!SurfaceControl/SurfaceControl.lua: !SurfaceControl: Use surface:List() as the console validate, since it is updated live now.`
`01:55.15`	`Pogo`	`Eraslin: Maybe they could make it so that a .toc change only downloads the .toc file`
`01:55.29`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24586 10Click2Cast/Click2Cast.toc:`
`01:55.29`	`CIA-17`	`Click2Cast:`
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`01:56.09`	`Eraslin`	`That would work too. Just seems silly to have thousands of people downloading 50k + just to change 3-5 bytes during times when the server's getting pounded.`
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`01:56.22`	`Pogo`	`.toc changes by themselves are kind of sloppy... making people think their add-on is bug free and up to date when it hasn't even been tested.`
`01:56.44`	`Enalung`	`Yeah`
`01:56.53`	`_neuron_`	`personally Id just rename files to files2 whenever the server's in low bandwidth mode :P, forces people to do things manually, meaning they'll only update what they need.`
`01:56.56`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24587 10CBRipoff/core/cbripoff.lua: CBRipoff: No need to register for the surface changes any more.`
`01:57.08`	`Enalung`	`Besides, changing just the toc kinda defeats the whole purpose of the system in the first place.`
`01:57.09`	`Goeb`	`yeah I'd prefer to download the one file rather than the whole zip... or even a diff of the file`
`01:57.27`	`cynyr`	`anyone know how to make the purchasable bandages from BG's show up in the first aid section of baggins?`
`01:58.26`	ag`	`vhaarr: I found it... aUFDB = {["disabled"] = { ["Default"] = true, }, ...`
`01:58.38`	`vhaarr`	ag`: :P
`01:58.38`	`Eraslin`	`Now, that would be a neat feature: have some zips that only contain the changed files. Then, have the autoupdater just grab the zip(s) to bring you up to date (or the full zip if the total size of the update zips would be larger)`
`01:58.43`	`Kemayo`	ag`: You missed me in X-Credits. ;_;
`01:58.44`	ag`	`if I did /aguf enable it would say it was already enabled`
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`01:58.57`	ag`	`Kemayo: add yourself`
`01:59.07`	`Eraslin`	`Or, even write in diff processing to the autoupdater`
`01:59.22`	`Kemayo`	`That's so much wooooooooork.`
`01:59.29`	`Eraslin`	`Then, zip up the diffs along side the full versions.`
`01:59.32`	`_neuron_`	`raping the svn tree for changelogs wont help Eraslin :p`
`01:59.38`	`Enalung`	`Alright then, I've read enough forum junk for tonight, I guess I'll go play final fantasy for now since I don't have access to the docs.`
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`02:00.27`	`cynyr`	`what is the lua string wildcard? '*'?`
`02:00.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`grr this is taking forever to update bigwigs from the dev svn`
`02:01.05`	`nymbia`	`cynyr: .`
`02:01.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`all i want to do is copy paste the kazzak module into a new kruul module`
`02:02.00`	`cynyr`	`nymbia: so ".Bandage" would match "foo Bandage"?`
`02:02.01`	`DrZoot`	`krull is the worst event spawn .... ever`
`02:02.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`hehe`
`02:02.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`i know`
`02:02.24`	ag`	`man this is just so fucking stupid`
`02:02.32`	`Roartindon`	`ahh.. svn2`
`02:02.33`	`Nargiddley`	`cynyr, easiest would be to add the pt set Bandages to it`
`02:02.34`	`Roartindon`	`I'll try that`
`02:02.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`supreme mode when more than 40 are on his aggro list just like kazzak in a major city`
`02:02.37`	ag`	`aguf not in the fubar UnitFrame thingy`
`02:02.40`	`Roartindon`	`svn.wowace.com hasn't been responding to me forever`
`02:02.50`	`nymbia`	`cynyr: ".*Bandage"`
`02:03.07`	`Enalung`	`Gotta feed the server gerbils!`
`02:03.11`	`Nargiddley`	`Bandage would work as well, it should match part of the name`
`02:03.26`	`DrZoot`	`I wonder if krull is kiteable`
`02:03.35`	`cynyr`	`nymbia: thanks, editing rules in baggins, so my AV bandages show in first aid`
`02:03.44`	`nymbia`	`cynyr: ah`
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`02:04.41`	`Vizzletiff`	`Has anyone found an updated oCD or oCB or are they being discontinued as of 2.0.3? They're not in the files list on wowace.com :(`
`02:04.52`	`nymbia`	`holy crap the mini-patch managed to smoke the server again?`
`02:05.17`	`_neuron_`	`Vizzletiff, http://fuxsake.net/`
`02:05.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`it managed to absolutely fuck up the default (raid/group/targetting) UI, too, so what :D`
`02:05.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's no small beast it seems ;)`
`02:05.43`	`Vizzletiff`	`Much <3 to you neuron!`
`02:06.17`	`ITimees`	`WTB Rexxar >_>`
`02:06.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`He's in Blade's Edge Mountains now`
`02:07.02`	`DrZoot`	`Rexxar is gone?`
`02:07.06`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`for the raid leader you need to use /promote Namee (notice the two e's) you need to repeat the last letter`
`02:07.13`	`Vizzletiff`	`Meh, no update for either oCD or oCB yet :(`
`02:07.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`He's not gone, he's in Outland`
`02:08.16`	`DrZoot`	`So tough luck for all those people who want to do onyxia attunement`
`02:08.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nope`
`02:08.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`if they read their quest text, they'll notice they go to a different npc.`
`02:09.03`	`ITimees`	`o_O`
`02:09.05`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`anybody else having a problem with autobar?`
`02:09.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`(but, as i've noted, it's not as if anyone will actually do that in a week anyway)`
`02:09.06`	`ITimees`	`who the hell is Rokaro`
`02:09.26`	`ITimees`	`(i just read the quest text -_-)`
`02:09.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`:)`
`02:10.09`	`ITimees`	`thottbot doesn't give anything :S`
`02:10.56`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`yes/no?`
`02:11.02`	`Thorgard`	`Meh [2007/01/10 20:09:59-42-x1]: cyCircled-0.2\core.lua:237: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)`
`02:11.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i havnt, OvrLrd-Q`
`02:11.25`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`hurm :(`
`02:11.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`fucking dell shit...`
`02:11.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`no powersupply for a few days`
`02:12.05`	`KarlThePagan`	`beep beep beep beep`
`02:12.34`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`getting, http://pastebin.ca/312632 :(`
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`02:13.19`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: okay i got those addons i was missing but now i get no text in the fubar plugin or in the grid frame`
`02:14.31`	`Ishootstuff`	`Im trying to finish an addon that uses Ace2 however the API library documentation are down. Does someone have an external link or can answer a few questions for me?`
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`02:14.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`what are you doin Ishootstuff`
`02:14.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`i can try`
`02:14.54`	`jaete`	`hmm, for some reason i can't download Cartographer from wowace.com/files. all the other mods downloaded np :]`
`02:15.00`	`[Liq]`	`Is "The Forlorn Cavern" in Ironforge a Cave or a Tunnel?`
`02:15.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`carto is very big`
`02:15.12`	`Pogo`	`Becaue Carto is the biggest mod.`
`02:15.20`	`_neuron_`	`jaete, http://grid.13th-floor.org/wowace/`
`02:15.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`[Liq], cave in the north`
`02:15.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`[Liq]: uh, both? It's part of the outer ring of IF`
`02:15.28`	`Roartindon`	`cynr: fubar plugin I don't know; but UTF8/CommCastLib will make grid text not appear`
`02:15.31`	`Thorgard`	`[Liq] , cave.. like the rest of Ironforge. ;P`
`02:15.31`	`jaete`	`probably among the more popular ones as well`
`02:15.38`	`Roartindon`	`did you completely restart WoW after?`
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`02:15.44`	`jaete`	`some mods were 50% of cartie's size, yet downloaded in a few minutes`
`02:16.01`	`jaete`	`neuron, excellent, cheers :D`
`02:16.05`	`_neuron_`	`np`
`02:16.05`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: yes, wow wasn't running when i updated`
`02:16.14`	`QQ`	`ya overlord i am`
`02:16.18`	`QQ`	`doesn't show up`
`02:16.56`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`do you get the error when you first load in?`
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`02:17.01`	`QQ`	`no`
`02:17.12`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`meh`
`02:17.47`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: although i'll restart it just to make sure`
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`02:18.07`	`[Liq]`	`Some players are telling me that "The Forlorn Cavern" in the northern part of Ironforge is a tunnel because of its 2 entrances/exists. So... is it a cave or a tunnel?`
`02:18.21`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`lol, cave`
`02:18.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`tunnel i guess`
`02:18.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`both`
`02:18.29`	`cynyr`	`tunnel`
`02:18.33`	`[Liq]`	`Ye Ino, it's just a sad argument but we've had that argument for about 20 mins now`
`02:18.46`	`cynyr`	`cave no, cavern yes, tunnel yes`
`02:18.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i fail to see why it cant be both a cave and a tunnel`
`02:18.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`~wikipedia cave`
`02:19.05`	`[Liq]`	`Already did KarlThePagan`
`02:19.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`it's both`
`02:19.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`wikipedia says so`
`02:19.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`all hail wikipedia?`
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`02:19.36`	`cynyr`	`i would think that a cave has only 1 entrance,`
`02:19.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`the forlorn cavern's art looks like it's supposed to appear naturally formed`
`02:19.50`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:19.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`cynyr, go argue with the wiki`
`02:19.59`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`so how do I poke toadkiller and feed him my bug report :/`
`02:20.07`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`use trac`
`02:20.08`	`cynyr`	`KarlThePagan: IMO`
`02:20.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`bbiab`
`02:20.36`	`[Liq]`	`So.. Is it possible to be both a cavern and a tunnel?`
`02:20.38`	`jaete`	`ok, sanity seems somewhat suboptimal`
`02:20.41`	`jaete`	`[2007/01/11 04:19:25-107-x5]: Sanity2-2.1\SanityItemCache.lua:132: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got number)`
`02:20.58`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24588 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.toc:`
`02:20.58`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`02:20.58`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:20.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`looking at http://www.google.com/search?q=define:cave , i see nothing indicating strictly one opening`
`02:21.03`	`cynyr`	`[Liq]: as long has an adult humman can walk into it`
`02:21.08`	`jaete`	`also, when i open the mailbox, some addon starts generating a few dozen errors every second, heh :)`
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`02:21.22`	`Roartindon`	`Man, ag can commit fine, my cmomit is now up to attempt 9 :)`
`02:21.24`	`Roartindon`	`Just times out`
`02:21.31`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24589 10oRA2/ (20 files in 4 dirs):`
`02:21.31`	`CIA-17`	`oRA2:`
`02:21.31`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:21.31`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:21.41`	`DrZoot`	`Ive been listening to this remix of four to the floor by star sailor from the MoS Sessions disc, was just thinking that its been going for a while so I checked the track length, 1:20:19`
`02:21.56`	`cynyr`	`DrZoot: lol`
`02:21.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... 1 hour?`
`02:22.00`	`Dryft`	`Hey is the latest version of AG 24562, because I still don't see Combo Points with it.`
`02:22.07`	`DrZoot`	`yeah 1 hour 20 minutes`
`02:22.08`	`cynyr`	`i have a couple mixes by oakenfold that long`
`02:22.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thats.. a really long song`
`02:22.17`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Lots of mixes that long`
`02:22.43`	`cynyr`	`Roartindon: hmm must have been something grid works again /thank`
`02:22.48`	`cynyr`	`<3 baggins`
`02:23.18`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Right Now, Bax (DJBax.com) 1:40`
`02:23.35`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24590 10Chronometer/Core/Chronometer.lua:`
`02:23.35`	`CIA-17`	`Chronometer:`
`02:23.35`	`CIA-17`	`- Don't re-set the texture validation table, since Surface-1.0 updates it in real time now.`
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`02:24.27`	`Dekuna`	`hmm`
`02:24.45`	`Guest1900629172`	`ZOMG GIVE ME ACE MODS NOW!`
`02:24.52`	`vhaarr`	`keke`
`02:24.57`	`Gamefaq`	`O.o`
`02:25.15`	`Guest1900629172`	`i logged on and started getting ganked, all mods were screwed`
`02:25.21`	`Guest1900629172`	`no key bindings`
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`02:25.23`	`Guest1900629172`	`nothing`
`02:25.26`	`Guest1900629172`	`bartender gone`
`02:25.35`	`_neuron_`	`Guest1900629172, load out of date addons...`
`02:25.40`	`_neuron_`	`99.9% of them will work`
`02:25.42`	`Guest1900629172`	`Yes sir I am`
`02:25.49`	`vhaarr`	`God your nick is fucked up.`
`02:25.54`	`Guest1900629172`	`LOL`
`02:25.59`	`QQ`	`heh`
`02:26.09`	`Noxicus`	`dd`
`02:26.11`	`Noxicus`	`sorry`
`02:26.22`	`Wogroipl`	`I have had no problems with my addons after the patch ;)`
`02:26.24`	`Noxicus`	`anyways im sure the site is getting hammered by wow ace downloader`
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`02:26.38`	`Noxicus`	`so ill wait a little while`
`02:26.41`	`Noxicus`	`maybe it wasnt ace`
`02:26.45`	`_neuron_`	`Noxicus, http://grid.13th-floor.org/wowace/`
`02:26.45`	`Noxicus`	`maybe it was xpearl`
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`02:26.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wogroipl: yeah, me either. it's a little boggling that there seem to be so many people with problems. shrug`
`02:27.01`	`Thorgard`	`Miles, I found a BarFader bug, sort of.`
`02:27.03`	`cynyr`	`Noxicus: have you checked the "load out of date" box?`
`02:27.14`	`Noxicus`	`Yea, Im updating them now`
`02:27.17`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r24592 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.toc: GrindStatus: toc -> 20003`
`02:27.19`	`Noxicus`	`With the ace downloader`
`02:27.23`	`Prophyy`	`whats the cmd to add GROUP# in AGUF player frames???`
`02:27.44`	`Pogo`	`Each group should have its own "grabber"`
`02:27.50`	`Noxicus`	`Pearl might of been what is causing me such horrible lag though`
`02:28.06`	`Noxicus`	`confirm anyone?`
`02:28.28`	`Pogo`	`Lag as in network lag or lag as in (incorrectly referred to as) framerate lag?`
`02:28.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i havnt had any abnormal issues with PCUF, but that's not x-perl`
`02:28.39`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r24593 10Manufac/Manufac.toc: Manufac: toc -> 20003`
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`02:28.57`	`Noxicus`	`LTo be honest im not sure pogo`
`02:29.04`	`Prophyy`	`whats the cmd to add GROUP# in AGUF player frames???`
`02:29.38`	`Noxicus`	`Anyways, thanks for the great mods, seeya`
`02:30.30`	`djspark`	`djspark: What do you get after you parse your import string?`
`02:30.35`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r24594 10Sniff/Sniff.toc: Sniff: toc -> 20003`
`02:30.41`	`djspark`	`pogo: I get get a list of seperated raids by boss and drop`
`02:30.53`	`djspark`	`Pogo: sorry for the delay :)`
`02:31.00`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r24595 10SpellBinder/SpellBinder.toc: SpellBinder: toc -> 20003`
`02:31.23`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`weird.. I don't get rez popups..`
`02:31.37`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r24596 10Stitch-1.0/Stitch-1.0.toc: Stitch-1.0: toc -> 20003`
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`02:32.14`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r24597 10StitchUI/StitchUI.toc: StitchUI: toc -> 20003`
`02:32.44`	`apply`	`Hi. I made a tiny mod (to set the self cast modifier to CTRL instead of ALT). Where should I put it?`
`02:32.44`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r24598 10PT2Browser/PT2Browser.toc: PT2Browser: toc -> 20003`
`02:32.56`	`Pogo`	`Prat keeps changing the font size of the chat window when I view my guild panel.`
`02:33.32`	`QQ`	`pogo same`
`02:33.49`	`QQ`	`it does it when i hit esc too, its tryign to resize to the ui scale its making me go nuts`
`02:34.06`	`Pogo`	`Ouch, ag_UF needs me to set every single group window as sort by class.`
`02:35.23`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24600 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.toc:`
`02:35.23`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`02:35.23`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`02:35.59`	`apply`	`What should I do with this tiny but useful addon? Anyone?`
`02:36.26`	`Gamefaq`	`nymbia: how much did you pay CIA-17 that he spams you commits but just ignored my r24591 ? O.o`
`02:36.39`	`Gamefaq`	`you = your`
`02:36.39`	`[Liq]`	`Is The Forlorn Cavern a Cave or a Tunnel? http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=108981085&postId=1089112551&sid=1#0`
`02:36.40`	`nymbia`	`Gamefaq: sexual favors.`
`02:36.51`	`Gamefaq`	`oha O.o`
`02:37.24`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24601 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua: .FuBarPlugin-2.0: string.method -> str:method`
`02:37.25`	`QQ`	`Folorn Cavern is in IF`
`02:37.35`	`QQ`	`where rogues and warlocks train`
`02:39.39`	`JoshBorke`	`anyone got a link to the wowace amazon thing?`
`02:39.43`	`JoshBorke`	`i want to purchase TBC`
`02:40.20`	ag`	`woah Prat changed`
`02:40.29`	ag`	`did Sylv merge his branch?`
`02:40.34`	`Gamefaq`	`yes`
`02:40.44`	`djspark`	`is there an Ace mod that allows you to change the format and design of your own character bar (the one with health/mana/etc)`
`02:40.47`	`Pogo`	`Ok ag_UF question... what's the custom text I need to use to show just a player's health deficit?`
`02:41.05`	ag`	`[hpdiff]`
`02:41.12`	`Pogo`	`Thank you.`
`02:41.31`	ag`	`djspark: aguf lets you create layouts`
`02:41.37`	`[Liq]`	`Newbie-Pogo`
`02:41.37`	ag`	`it's an unitframe addon`
`02:41.52`	`djspark`	`ok thanks :-)`
`02:42.04`	`Pogo`	`I'm a relative newbie, yes. I'm not a coder at all, but I fell in love with Ace2 mods`
`02:42.06`	`robotusch`	`But don't use it if you feel like standing out from the crowd ;D`
`02:42.39`	`ITimees`	`how do I display Visor2GUI?`
`02:42.41`	`Pogo`	`Discord Unit Frames had a bit more control over designing your own unit frames, but ag_UF has some great layouts that you can customize yourself.`
`02:42.57`	`Pogo`	`I don't see an option to modify the height of health bars, however.`
`02:45.17`	`Pogo`	`Also, a more customizable aura system. I want to just see debuffs that I can cure.`
`02:45.22`	`djspark`	`is Discord Unit Frames in the svn ?`
`02:46.06`	`vhaarr`	`Pogo: You can scale, and you can filter auras.`
`02:46.06`	`Pogo`	`DUF is a mod that has not been updated for 2.0 so don't bother finding it.`
`02:46.19`	`Amadeo`	`I'm not sure there's enough room on the SVN for DUF`
`02:46.26`	`DrZoot`	`lol, someone kited krull to orgrimmar`
`02:46.27`	`djspark`	`hehe`
`02:46.31`	`vhaarr`	`it would eat the other addons`
`02:46.37`	ag`	`Pogo: of course you can set the height of the healthbar... in the layouts`
`02:46.38`	`CIA-17`	`03neriak * r24602 10Fence/ (4 files in 2 dirs):`
`02:46.38`	`CIA-17`	`Fence:`
`02:46.38`	`CIA-17`	`- AutoFill: fixed issues, it should now work again with all sorts of items`
`02:46.39`	`CIA-17`	`- updated code to new API GetCursorInfo() .. yay!`
`02:46.39`	`CIA-17`	`- changed event registering and hooks`
`02:46.39`	`CIA-17`	`- Sort: disabled the BrowseBuyout button because Blizzard changed bid and buyout sorting in 2.0.3`
`02:46.47`	`Gamefaq`	`lol vhaarr`
`02:46.51`	`Pogo`	`[hpdiff] gives a validation error`
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`02:47.13`	`vhaarr`	`yeah, because there's no such tag`
`02:47.17`	ag`	`Pogo: diffhp`
`02:47.18`	ag`	`maybe`
`02:47.25`	`JoshBorke`	`Kemayo: ping`
`02:47.33`	ag`	`nope`
`02:47.34`	`JoshBorke`	ag`: nice job on ag_UF btw :-)
`02:47.36`	`vhaarr`	`missinghp?`
`02:47.37`	`QQ`	`hmmm`
`02:47.49`	ag`	`JoshBorke: yeah it works now right?`
`02:47.57`	ag`	`that's my conclusion too :P`
`02:47.58`	ag`	`thanks`
`02:48.00`	`JoshBorke`	ag`: do party pets work?
`02:48.03`	`QQ`	`mines not ; ;`
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`02:48.13`	`vhaarr`	ag`: Party pets and proper grouping plx :P
`02:48.17`	ag`	`no, not yet. I will look at pastamancers example code tomorrow I think`
`02:48.19`	`JoshBorke`	`i haven't checked pets, i just say i don't heal them`
`02:48.20`	`robotusch`	I think we should all give ag` a hug
`02:48.27`	`QQ`	`i just loaded and now aguf doesn't even show up`
`02:48.35`	`JoshBorke`	`don't look at pastamancer's code, he's awful :-P`
`02:48.45`	ag`	`nah, he's a better coder than me :P`
`02:48.53`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`02:48.55`	ag`	`I like how grid is all moduly`
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`02:49.07`	`JoshBorke`	`heh`
`02:49.17`	`JoshBorke`	`is bar-fader going to be part of agUF base?`
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`02:49.27`	ag`	`JoshBorke: not sure`
`02:49.39`	ag`	`I'm growing a little afraid of putting too much into it`
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`02:49.43`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r24603 10ag_UnitFrames/locales/ag_UnitFrames-koKR.lua:`
`02:49.43`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames :`
`02:49.43`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`02:49.50`	ag`	`cause overloading it is not the goal`
`02:49.59`	`JoshBorke`	`indeed`
`02:50.03`	ag`	`I consider all features`
`02:50.12`	`zerol`	`heya - can anyone give me the url to the wow ace download manager?`
`02:50.14`	ag`	`barfading might not be that expensive`
`02:50.20`	ag`	`especially if it can be turned off`
`02:50.25`	ag`	`and is by default`
`02:50.41`	ag`	`zerol: try googling for wowaceupdater (I think)`
`02:50.43`	`Alterwolf`	`I hate to just burst in like "HAY GUYZ HOW DO I MAEK THIS WERK" but is it possible to restore the regular casting bar for my own actions while agUF is enabled?`
`02:50.44`	`JoshBorke`	`yes`
`02:50.52`	`ckknight`	`hay guise!`
`02:51.01`	`JoshBorke`	`uh oh, it's ck`
`02:51.09`	`ckknight`	`I've been here for a while.`
`02:51.19`	ag`	`Alterwolf: set the hidden setting called BlizzCastbar to true`
`02:51.21`	`ckknight`	`at work, mind you`
`02:51.34`	`Pogo`	`what does FOcus refer to in ag_UF?`
`02:51.45`	`ilifin`	ag`, is combo points view working yet? :<
`02:51.48`	`Alterwolf`	`Ahhh, okay. Thanks a bunch.`
`02:51.51`	ag`	`aUF.db.profile.BlizzCastbar = true`
`02:51.54`	`vhaarr`	`It's amazing how many people don't know about the focus target.`
`02:52.02`	ag`	`ilifin: yes`
`02:52.11`	`fudd`	`Focus is a new feature in WoW 2.0`
`02:52.16`	ag`	`pogo in 2.0 you can bind a key to target an extra target`
`02:52.23`	ag`	`that extra target is called focus`
`02:52.23`	`zerol`	`ag, that worked, got it from googlecache. thanks!`
`02:52.29`	ag`	`np`
`02:53.00`	`fudd`	`You can set your focus using /focus`
`02:53.31`	`fudd`	`Then you can use it in your macros too :)`
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`02:54.51`	`Pogo`	`Blizzard added this feature and nobody knows about it?`
`02:54.56`	`Pogo`	`I mean, come on. That's an awesome feature.`
`02:55.10`	`JoshBorke`	`...`
`02:55.16`	`JoshBorke`	`not blizzard's fault people don't know`
`02:55.18`	`JoshBorke`	`it's in the patch notes :-P`
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`02:55.52`	`vhaarr`	`Blizzard did a bad job at UI for it, though.`
`02:55.52`	`fudd`	`There's a nice round up of info both on wowwiki and in the wow UI forum`
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`02:56.07`	`Pogo`	`I don't see any way to enable such a thing in interface settings.`
`02:56.08`	`vhaarr`	`In the right-click menu for your target, there should be a "Focus unit" entry, but there's not.`
`02:56.15`	`vhaarr`	`Pogo: You don't have to enable it.`
`02:56.17`	`vhaarr`	`It's there.`
`02:56.28`	`vhaarr`	`Pogo: Target something and type /focus`
`02:56.30`	`Roartindon`	`Still trying to commit target of focus frames for aguf.. up to attempt 30 to commit :)`
`02:56.30`	`Pogo`	`Well there you go, if there's a missing menu for it, nobody will know.`
`02:56.39`	`vhaarr`	`Pogo: Indeed, but there is a keybinding for it.`
`02:56.45`	`vhaarr`	`Still, there should be a menu item.`
`02:56.47`	`vhaarr`	`imo`
`02:56.59`	`djspark`	`anyone know the mod that I always see in pvp videos that show the health and mana as two semi circle bars around the center of the screen?`
`02:57.05`	`djspark`	`like two elipses`
`02:57.11`	`vhaarr`	`IceHUD?`
`02:57.20`	`robotusch`	`There's plenty of Hud's to chose from`
`02:57.28`	`Urlryn`	`Heads up display....few mods do it`
`02:57.34`	`robotusch`	`+ a lot of them can be given custom skins, so it's hard to tell one from another`
`02:57.38`	`ilifin`	`djspark, the most commonly used one is Dracthal's HUD`
`02:57.46`	`ilifin`	`also known as DHUD`
`02:57.57`	`Urlryn`	`is Kaelten around by chance?`
`02:57.57`	`Pogo`	`djspark: I couldn't find an answer to your question earlier.`
`02:57.59`	`Alterwolf`	`Okay, I'm retarded. I'm not sure how to change this hidden setting.`
`02:58.09`	`Pogo`	`djspark: But I'm sure it's a problem with the settings of your eqDKP site.`
`02:58.20`	`Pogo`	`djspark: It's not handling the events correctly.`
`02:58.27`	`vhaarr`	`Alterwolf: /script aUF.db.profile.BlizzCastbar = true`
`02:58.29`	`Prophyy`	`whats the cmd to add GROUP# in AGUF player frames???`
`02:58.39`	`djspark`	`yeah, I'm contacting the GM of the site I showed you, so hopefully he'll share his config with me, thanks for your help though pogo`
`02:58.46`	`djspark`	`is there an Ace hud?`
`02:58.46`	`Alterwolf`	`Alrighty, cool. Sorry about that.`
`02:58.53`	`ckknight`	`djspark: yea, there's a few`
`02:58.56`	`vhaarr`	`djspark: Like I said, IceHUD.`
`02:59.01`	`ilifin`	`ArcHUD, IceHUD`
`02:59.59`	`djspark`	`ok, didn't see it at first on the list, now I found it, thanks`
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`03:01.42`	`cynyr`	`anyone know if there is a way to get baggins to sort gear from both bags and bank into the same virtual bag?`
`03:02.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you could try messing with the categories/sections to get that`
`03:02.31`	`Pogo`	`ok I've set up my ag_UF raid windows by class, looks pretty good, but it'd be nice to change the background transparency of each category of unit frame independently`
`03:02.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`couldn't say off hand if it's possible though`
`03:02.38`	`cynyr`	`NightHawkTheSane: i have been, and it seems the bank option is exclusive`
`03:02.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`:\`
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`03:02.59`	`Pogo`	`btw ag, I love your mod so don't listen to me.`
`03:03.01`	`cynyr`	`NightHawkTheSane: basicly i want to be able to seem my resist gear in a "bag"`
`03:03.07`	`Nargiddley`	`cynyr, yeah currently the bank is done with completely seperate bags`
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`03:03.43`	`cynyr`	`Nargiddley: ahh kk, so no way of making a hybrid bag for things like like sorting out resist gear and such`
`03:03.58`	`Nargiddley`	`cynyr, nope`
`03:04.30`	`cynyr`	`Nargiddley: if you wrote it, anychance of that as a feature down the road?`
`03:04.35`	`Mimesis`	`is there a melee swing tiemr around?`
`03:04.50`	`Mimesis`	`bigtrouble but for 2h weapons?`
`03:05.00`	`Nargiddley`	`cynyr, the problem is identifying which is a bank item`
`03:05.06`	`Nargiddley`	`for display`
`03:05.38`	`Nargiddley`	`seperate bags make it easy to see whats in the bank and whats not`
`03:05.59`	`cynyr`	`Nargiddley: make the black border blue? or add a little padding maybe.`
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`03:06.24`	`cynyr`	`hmm good point.. it would be hard to do`
`03:06.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`how did advanced bags plus do it? i think it had a similar feature`
`03:06.56`	`Nargiddley`	`cynyr, i could look at letting you set sections to be bank`
`03:07.10`	`Zazen`	`hurray aguf works again`
`03:07.11`	`Nargiddley`	`but i dont really want to start mixing the bank/nonbank slots together`
`03:07.12`	`Enalung`	`Oh I clicked on something!`
`03:07.25`	`Enalung`	`The wiki may be down but google has a cache`
`03:07.38`	`cynyr`	`Nargiddley: would get messing really fast`
`03:07.55`	`cynyr`	`s/messing/messy`
`03:08.02`	`cynyr`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:10.12`	`Enalung`	`Oh yeah!!! Google cache for the win!`
`03:10.12`	`Zazen`	`pogo`
`03:10.15`	`Zazen`	`you there?`
`03:10.50`	`Pogo`	`Sorry, yes.`
`03:10.51`	`Pogo`	`Oh`
`03:10.52`	`Pogo`	`btw`
`03:10.55`	`Pogo`	`someone has registered Pogo`
`03:10.57`	`Pogo`	`on this server`
`03:11.00`	`Pogo`	`I am not that person`
`03:11.26`	`PogoTribal`	`Anyways, whatsup?`
`03:12.03`	`Zazen`	`i found the prat issue`
`03:12.06`	`Zazen`	`you still having it?`
`03:12.20`	`Zazen`	`with the text size`
`03:12.39`	`Enalung`	`I guess I should register enalung. FOrgot how to register with servers though. Only ever used IRC about 10 times at most lol`
`03:12.41`	`Arrowmaster`	ag`, Miles: has the no original castbar but after disabling builtin castbars in aguf been fixed yet? my friend keeps bugging me about it
`03:12.43`	`PogoTribal`	`Yeah, I just changed my font to the same size in both the blizz settings and the mod settings.`
`03:12.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`s/but/bug/`
`03:12.58`	`sn0wman`	`this may not be the place to ask, but i do it anyawy since i dont know where to ask elseway, but im using "Prat", and having a problem. Somethimes (dno when) but i think it is when im doing a alt+z for making a screenshot, the chat windows "disapear" and i need to make new ones.. is there any easy fix for this?`
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`03:13.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`its a blizzard bug`
`03:13.50`	`PogoTribal`	`Zazen, what's the fix?`
`03:13.50`	`sn0wman`	`i never had the problem before im starting using Prat.`
`03:14.04`	`Zazen`	`ah well in the disabled prat modules is fonttextsize and it was resizing my fonts, so i toggle it off, problem fixed`
`03:14.41`	`Zazen`	`check thats its "fontsize"`
`03:15.04`	`Gnarfoz`	ag`: when a spell fails the cast bar background sometimes sticks around :)
`03:15.07`	`PogoTribal`	`You saying I should disable that module?`
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`03:15.23`	`Zazen`	`disable the fontsize module yes then it won't resize your font everytime`
`03:15.24`	`PogoTribal`	`That's an oCB problem as well.`
`03:15.41`	`PogoTribal`	`If I get counterspelled in the middle of casting, the bar will finish as if I finished casting.`
`03:15.53`	`JoshBorke`	`PogoTribal: that's because oCB hasn't been updated yet`
`03:16.17`	`ilifin`	`um, is it just me that FuBar has completely broken for?`
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`03:16.53`	`JoshBorke`	`yes`
`03:16.55`	`Prophyy`	`whats the cmd to add GROUP# in AGUF player frames??? damn wowwiki is down`
`03:16.56`	`glo`	`ilifin: have you updated?`
`03:17.08`	`ilifin`	`thats the thing`
`03:17.14`	`ilifin`	`I updated, then Pow broken`
`03:17.24`	ag`	`Prophy: [raidgroup] maybe`
`03:17.28`	`ilifin`	`nothing happens when I show a module`
`03:17.33`	ag`	`or [subgroup]`
`03:17.35`	ag`	`can't remember`
`03:17.43`	`ilifin`	`and if I hide a module, I can't show it again -_-`
`03:18.04`	`PogoTribal`	`JoshBorke: That's been happening since before patch.`
`03:18.49`	`PogoTribal`	`Does anyone know a way to change the color of the unit frame highlight during a dispellable debuff situation in ag_UF?`
`03:18.52`	`glo`	`bartender3 has issues with stance changes or am I getting taint from another addon ?`
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`03:19.07`	`PogoTribal`	`Ok as a newb I'm gonna ask, what do you mean taint?`
`03:19.24`	`PogoTribal`	`Like when one addon's functionality is messed up by another addon?`
`03:19.30`	`JoshBorke`	`no`
`03:19.35`	`JoshBorke`	`taint means it is no longer secure code`
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`03:20.01`	`godsyn`	`http://webster.com/dictionary/taint`
`03:20.16`	`PogoTribal`	`to contaminate morally`
`03:20.28`	`Vanish`	`Meh. new ag_UF messed my layout. :/ :diggity-diggity-code-code:`
`03:20.28`	`PogoTribal`	`Evil add-ons.`
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`03:20.36`	`glo`	`shapeshifting and stances work fine for others with bartender3?`
`03:20.38`	`godsyn`	`synonym see CONTAMINATE`
`03:21.00`	`Urlryn`	`is Kael or Cairenn avail by chance?`
`03:21.14`	`ilifin`	ag`, whats this new black area in ag_UF supposed to be?
`03:21.16`	`Cairenn`	`hi`
`03:21.31`	`ilifin`	`oh it's a cast bar :o`
`03:21.34`	`Urlryn`	`heya Cairenn`
`03:21.51`	`ilifin`	`hey that's kinda cool :o`
`03:21.57`	`PogoTribal`	`I don't see this mythical new cast bar.`
`03:22.19`	`Vanish`	`Pogo: are you using ABF layout?`
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`03:22.41`	`kergoth`	`bleh`
`03:22.50`	`Prophyy`	`thanks ag`
`03:22.59`	`PogoTribal`	`Ahh ok, no I see now.`
`03:23.01`	`invalid_`	`is it an actual moving bar?`
`03:23.10`	`kergoth`	`mjc, whatever you do, dont accidentally use svn to commit to an svk mirror directly`
`03:23.15`	`PogoTribal`	`It's a castbar attached to my unit frame, wasn't enabled.`
`03:23.19`	`godsyn`	`anyone have the link (cant get easy since forums are down) to the taint checker?`
`03:23.25`	`Vanish`	`ag: Any idea off-hand why my HP text, Mana text, and Castng text all just say '2' ?`
`03:23.27`	`mjc`	`LOL yeah`
`03:23.42`	`godsyn`	`something is tainting blizz's drop down's.`
`03:23.49`	`ckknight`	`I blame Gnomes.`
`03:24.01`	`godsyn`	`damn gnomes.`
`03:24.44`	`Zazen`	`pogotribal: how does one.......use it?`
`03:24.47`	`PogoTribal`	`Ok everything looks good. I still have duplicate profiles though.`
`03:25.21`	`godsyn`	`Thottbot World of Warcraft: Kezan's Unstoppable Taint... grrr..`
`03:25.21`	`PogoTribal`	`I'm not sure Zazen, I just noticed it's not showing my casts.`
`03:25.47`	`Zazen`	`i want to get rid of ocb i'd love to have it on aguf`
`03:26.22`	`PogoTribal`	`Seeing as how oCB doesn't have a gui for configuration, I'm tempted to move to something else myself.`
`03:26.39`	`Vanish`	`CBRipoff is nice. ;)`
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`03:26.42`	`Zazen`	`well if aguf has it i'd love to use it =)`
`03:26.51`	`Vanish`	`aguf has it, and it works nice`
`03:26.52`	`Zazen`	`cause the less the more for me if ya know what i mean`
`03:26.52`	`Gnarfoz`	ag`: any easy way to make a frame layout extend the outer frame border in some direction? so it can contain e.g. the casting bar?
`03:27.14`	`Zazen`	`omfg it does buh by ocb`
`03:27.18`	`Zazen`	`bye*`
`03:27.19`	`godsyn`	`Fixed taint issues with the unit menus (dueling, dismissing pets,`
`03:27.19`	`godsyn`	`etc.)`
`03:27.25`	`godsyn`	`that true?`
`03:27.30`	ag`	`Gnarfoz: extend the outer frame border?`
`03:27.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`yea`
`03:27.42`	`Vanish`	`HeightAdd`
`03:28.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`how'd I control in which direction the height is counted, Vanish?`
`03:28.13`	`PogoTribal`	`Vanish maybe you can help us set the ag castbar or something cus I don't see it, maybe I have to reloadUI`
`03:28.17`	ag`	`You don't need to Gnarfoz`
`03:28.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`only thing I've seen HeightAdd do is move e.g. the pvp or rest icon down`
`03:28.39`	ag`	`HeightAdd is what makes ABF work`
`03:28.47`	ag`	`when you disable/enable mana bars`
`03:28.54`	ag`	`or xp bar, cast bar`
`03:29.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`hm`
`03:29.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`actually I think I might be referring to the background rather than the borders :\`
`03:29.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`tests`
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`03:29.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's what makes it appear to be a unit frame and not just a collection of bars floating around :D`
`03:29.47`	`Vanish`	`Hmm.. I removed HeightAdd from the CastBar, and the XP Bar fell below the border too...`
`03:29.52`	`PogoTribal`	`How ar eyou modifying aspects of specific layouts?`
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`03:30.21`	`Vanish`	`Pogo: I wrote my own layout in lua using the aguf api`
`03:30.29`	`Zazen`	`ag this castbar is amazing`
`03:30.34`	`kergoth`	`mjc, christ dump takes ages when you've got 25k+ revisions`
`03:30.37`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`03:30.41`	`Vanish`	`It's a bit b0rked since the upgrade though.`
`03:30.52`	`Thorgard`	`Zazen, aye it's a nice addition.. I just wish the animation was smoother. ;P`
`03:31.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`i'm trying to fit it into my layout`
`03:31.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`:\`
`03:31.13`	`PogoTribal`	`Zazen, you have to switch layouts for the castbar to show up`
`03:31.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`which means most likely, to pin the cast bar on top of the unitframe instead of below it`
`03:31.39`	`mjc`	`kergoth: 55,000 here`
`03:31.41`	`PogoTribal`	`I don't think I'm using it though, I want my castbar in the middle of the screen`
`03:31.45`	`Vanish`	`Want real fun? I had my layout b0rked when the castbar was added, and it animated he entire background of the unit frame. Was kinda cool`
`03:31.59`	`kergoth`	`mjc, damn, you must have a lot of mirrors :)`
`03:32.04`	`PogoTribal`	`Are vertical health/mana bars a possibility?`
`03:32.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`for that I'm trying a custom layout, but I can't seem to get it to "look" right - everything already is at the right position though`
`03:32.18`	`kergoth`	`a few of mine i just mirrored from HEAD, third party stuff i monitor but didnt need fully history of`
`03:32.23`	`Vanish`	`PogoTribal: No. ag was looking into it, but at present no`
`03:32.24`	`PogoTribal`	`I'm thinking of making my unit frame a portrait with vertical bars next to it.`
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`03:33.05`	`PogoTribal`	`ok`
`03:33.13`	`PogoTribal`	`what's the custom tag for percent health?`
`03:33.58`	`JoshBorke`	`PogoTribal: have you looked at the other layouts?`
`03:34.28`	`Thorgard`	`PogoTribal, percenthp possibly.`
`03:34.47`	`Oh`	`anyone, in ag_unitframes. Hide do I bring back the casting bar? on player frame I unchecked 'show cast bar' but that still doesnt bring back the default blizz casting bar`
`03:34.57`	`Oh`	`how*`
`03:35.12`	`PogoTribal`	`percenthp isn't it`
`03:35.22`	`PogoTribal`	`JoshBorke: Yeah, I've gone with..`
`03:35.43`	`Thorgard`	`PogoTribal, agpercenthp ?`
`03:35.47`	`PogoTribal`	`Compact for myself and oUF for targets`
`03:37.01`	`ilifin`	ag` - why doesn't BarColors have an alpha setting?
`03:37.42`	`JoshBorke`	`PogoTribal: i meant have you looked at the layouts for those things to figure out what is what?`
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`03:38.46`	`mjc`	`wonder if there's anything I could do to reduce wow's memory usage`
`03:39.13`	`JoshBorke`	`don't go to IF?`
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`03:40.20`	`Oh`	`aguf, Id hate to use an old version of it before the new castbar feature came out. Turning off the castbar feature and it doesnt bring back the default cast bar, so you end up with no cast bars on screen to see wtf you're casting`
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`03:40.44`	`symb`	`greetings`
`03:41.34`	`JoshBorke`	`Oh: try agUF.db.profile.BlizzCastBar = true`
`03:41.37`	`NeoTron`	`ArkInventory is pretty nice.. is there a way to sort the items in each category alphabetically (minor feature perhaps but useful)`
`03:41.42`	`JoshBorke`	`or something like that, hold on`
`03:41.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf my friend is in an mc pug on a long ass geddon fight and somebody just said "35 seconds until geddon enrages" since when does geddon enrage?`
`03:41.59`	`CoRP5e`	`anyone know anything about oCB? I dont see it in /files and its the only mod that is unusable atm for me :(`
`03:42.19`	`JoshBorke`	`CoRP5e: no longer being developed with ace`
`03:42.36`	`Pogo`	`oCB still works for me`
`03:42.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Since someone decided it would be a bright idea to do an mc pug? :P`
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`03:42.42`	`Oh`	`Josh in the savedvariable right?`
`03:42.54`	`Pogo`	`MC PuGs happen all the time on Gorefiend`
`03:42.59`	`Pogo`	`successfully`
`03:43.07`	`Xand`	`Anyone getting line 663 error with Fubar?`
`03:43.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`(that was sarcasm, btw :P )`
`03:44.00`	`JoshBorke`	`(21:58:28) vhaarr: Alterwolf: /script aUF.db.profile.BlizzCastbar = true`
`03:44.09`	`JoshBorke`	`there you go`
`03:44.25`	`Pogo`	`oh`
`03:44.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`Vanish: im still confused... the CastBar_BG inside target = {} has no HeightAdd, the one inside player = {} has, but still, both look exactly the same`
`03:44.44`	`Oh`	`okay thanks`
`03:45.07`	`Barbanus`	`~ocb`
`03:45.09`	`purl`	`i guess ocb is the best castingbar replacement ... ever.`
`03:45.24`	`Vanish`	`Gnarfoz: I'm still woking the little bugger out myself`
`03:45.34`	`FryGuy`	`unfortunately it's kind of messed up on beta.. i use ecb cause it's better at the moment`
`03:45.50`	ag`	`Gnarfoz: it's a bug...`
`03:45.50`	`Barbanus`	`purl, ocb is also http://www.fuxsake.net/`
`03:45.52`	`purl`	`okay, Barbanus`
`03:45.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`I think I'll fall back to mecb for the time being`
`03:45.54`	`Barbanus`	`~ocb`
`03:45.56`	`purl`	`somebody said ocb was the best castingbar replacement ... ever. http://www.fuxsake.net/`
`03:45.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`^^`
`03:45.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`hmm '/script aUF.db.profile.BlizzCastbar = true' didnt work`
`03:45.57`	`Pogo`	`So nobody knows what to do about the duplicate profiles in the Copy From section of profile selections?`
`03:46.01`	`kenlyric\|home`	`meh, no more ace mean no more for me.`
`03:46.05`	ag`	`Gnarfoz: it takes the hightadd from the "all"`
`03:46.22`	ag`	`I had to remove hightadd from castbar in target, else it would add that too`
`03:46.25`	`Vanish`	`CBRipoff is updated for 2.0.3 and is a direct ripoff cough of oCB`
`03:46.39`	ag`	`so it's a bug in the layout code, which I just worked around`
`03:46.41`	`Zazen`	`i love aguf's`
`03:46.48`	`Zazen`	`cast bar`
`03:47.05`	`Arrowmaster`	ag`: so how about a way to get the default castbar back
`03:47.08`	`Aileen_`	`they're technically not duplicates... I removed them by hand from the SavedVariables files`
`03:47.13`	`Pogo`	`Hmm... will ag_UF show an enemy castbar in the Target's castbar?`
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`03:47.50`	`Thorgard`	`I wish agUF's castbar would take my ping into account. :/`
`03:47.55`	`Barbanus`	`Pogo, yes`
`03:47.55`	`Roartindon`	`damn, promoting stuff in raids is annoying`
`03:48.02`	`Roartindon`	`thorgard - I have an addon for that`
`03:48.09`	`Thorgard`	`Roartindon, o rly?`
`03:48.15`	ag`	`Arrowmaster: /script aUF.db.profile.BlizzCastbar = true`
`03:48.16`	`Pogo`	`Roartindon is the creator of the Roartindon layout eh?`
`03:48.22`	`Roartindon`	`for those wondering.. new method. /script PromoteToAssistant("raid1")`
`03:48.30`	`Vanish`	`Damnit.. can't get Health and Mana text to show anyting but '2'`
`03:48.34`	`Arrowmaster`	ag`: friend just tried it and it didnt work
`03:48.50`	`Roartindon`	`I'll post a linnk in a moment`
`03:48.50`	`Gnarfoz`	ag`: hm, I don't really know if I manage to make myself clear :-~ HeightAdd works, but it it always appends onto the bottom of the frame, but my castbar is on top of the frame now :D
`03:48.52`	`Thorgard`	`Roartindon, which addon's that and where can I get my grubby hands on it? ;P`
`03:48.59`	ag`	`it's in ag_Defaults.lua`
`03:49.08`	ag`	`maybe it's called something else`
`03:49.31`	`Vanish`	`Gnarfoz: Did you try a negative HeightAdd?`
`03:49.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`hm`
`03:49.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`nope`
`03:49.39`	`Vanish`	`(no idea if that works, btw)`
`03:49.39`	ag`	`Gnarfoz: a frame will always be anchored to the topleft corner`
`03:49.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`:>`
`03:49.58`	ag`	`so increasing height of frame will make it seem to grow down`
`03:50.05`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24605 10BigWigs/ (65 files in 11 dirs): BigWigs: Here's hoping perl is like cycling.`
`03:50.12`	ag`	`if you place it in a raid group which you have set to grow up`
`03:50.25`	ag`	`heightadd wil make it gain upwards`
`03:50.34`	ag`	`it's imply a matter of anchoring`
`03:50.40`	ag`	`*simply`
`03:50.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`Vanish: just makes the background shrink ;>`
`03:51.02`	`Vanish`	`Gnarfoz: LOL! Well don't do that then. ;D`
`03:51.19`	`Xand`	`Does anyone know why in AG unit frames the Party pet does not work?`
`03:51.32`	`Gnarfoz`	ag`: I clearly see you know what you intended and I clearly don't understand it if it has anything to do with what I'm trying to communicate :D
`03:51.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`perhaps I should get some sleep ;D`
`03:51.53`	`Vanish`	`Xand: ag was waiting for 2.0.3 to have a fix for pets. Give him some time to work on it. :D`
`03:52.04`	`Xand`	`K...I was not aware`
`03:52.15`	`Pogo`	`Ok so the target castbar shows up on the ABF layout but not oUF`
`03:52.22`	`Arrowmaster`	ag`: i told him to do aUF:ShowBlizzCast() and it finnaly worked
`03:52.52`	`Barbanus`	`Is there really any way to track tainting?`
`03:53.10`	`Xand`	`I have a suggestion for the AG unit frames. In Perl, Buffs/Debuffs have their own rows.`
`03:53.12`	`Aileen_`	`speaking of pets, does anyone else have problems with getting their pet to stick to their unitframe? I have the "group with self" or whatever option called turned on but my frame and the pet frame always move independently now`
`03:53.12`	`Barbanus`	`My pet bar is tainted on my warlock (so says prat), I'd like to see what is causing it .. if at all possible`
`03:53.16`	`Xand`	`Would be nice for AG to have that.`
`03:53.19`	`Vanish`	`Gnarfoz: ag undersands what you're attempting. Basically it won't do what you want outside of being a raid frame`
`03:53.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`another approach would be... can I hide the background of the castbar when nothing is being cast? so it doesn't have this ugly background sitting there? ^^`
`03:53.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`ah`
`03:53.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`damn :>`
`03:53.53`	`Oh`	`<Arrowmaster>: thanks i will try that too. I too dont like the ag cast bar`
`03:54.22`	`vhaarr`	ag`: Why are you hiding the default casting bar by default?
`03:54.29`	`Pogo`	`Aileen: Did you delete the now defunct "Character of Servername" entries?`
`03:55.01`	`Pogo`	`I'm assuming Ace2 addons switched from "Character of Servername" to "Character - Servername" at some point?`
`03:55.06`	ag`	`vhaarr: because I'm an asshole :P`
`03:55.13`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`03:55.17`	`vhaarr`	`Pogo: yes`
`03:55.40`	`kergoth`	`pogo: yep, because the - version is locale independent`
`03:55.40`	`Vanish`	`vhaarr: Because most people only want one or the other?`
`03:55.40`	ag`	`if I didn't hide it people would all like "omg how do I hide it"`
`03:55.44`	ag`	`who uses the blizzard castbar anyway :o`
`03:55.52`	`Oh`	`i do`
`03:55.58`	`Pogo`	`kergoth: Is it going to come back?`
`03:56.01`	ag`	`oUF/CBRipoff works`
`03:56.01`	`vhaarr`	ag`: I think you should specialcase it for player, if they uncheck "Enable castbar" on player, the default one should be shown again.
`03:56.08`	ag`	`vhaarr: yeah`
`03:56.18`	`Aileen_`	`yes I removed the "of" ones`
`03:56.23`	`Vanish`	ag`: What are the chances of getting Auras the grow up or down instead of right or left?
`03:56.23`	`kergoth`	`Pogo: why would it? no, the ' of ' style in acedb is dead`
`03:56.29`	`Oh`	ag`: at least in the changelog write how to restore the blizzard bars please next time
`03:56.34`	ag`	`vhaarr: problem is conflicting`
`03:56.38`	`Pogo`	`kergoth: Ok, thanks for your help.`
`03:56.44`	ag`	`lets say you use both aguf and cbr`
`03:56.49`	`vhaarr`	ag`: hrm
`03:56.59`	`Barbanus`	`pogo, "of" doesnt mean anything in french, for instance .. but "-" still works :P`
`03:57.00`	ag`	`aguf will register castbar events`
`03:57.05`	ag`	`if you disable player bar`
`03:57.07`	`vhaarr`	ag`: yes, yes
`03:57.08`	`vhaarr`	ag`: I get it.
`03:57.12`	ag`	`ok ok`
`03:57.22`	ag`	`not sure what to do about that`
`03:57.31`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
`03:57.36`	ag`	`I also hide the blizzard units with no way of enabling them`
`03:57.42`	`vhaarr`	`I know`
`03:57.55`	`vhaarr`	`that's kind of acceptable, though`
`03:57.58`	`vhaarr`	`this isn't`
`03:58.08`	ag`	`oh come on wink wink nudge nudge`
`03:58.12`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`03:58.17`	`Barbanus`	`So is there any way to really trace taint? (EG: Petbar taint)`
`03:58.18`	`vhaarr`	`photographs, eh?`
`03:58.22`	ag`	`haha`
`03:58.25`	`vhaarr`	`Barbanus: TaintChecker.`
`03:58.32`	`Barbanus`	`Thanks vhaarr`
`03:58.34`	ag`	`You wife... Is she a sport?`
`03:58.36`	`Vanish`	ag`: Any chance?
`03:58.39`	`vhaarr`	`rofl`
`03:58.50`	ag`	`Vanish: huh?`
`03:59.05`	`Pogo`	`Aileen: Do I only have to remove them from the SavedVariables directory or do they pop up somewhere else as well?`
`03:59.07`	`Vanish`	ag`: Any chance of getting Aurus that grow up or down instead of right or left?
`03:59.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`maybe you should just not touch the default cast bar if agufs castbars are disabled instead of showing or hiding`
`03:59.38`	ag`	`Vanish: yes`
`03:59.46`	`Pogo`	`I have to test out ag_UFs target castbar, this really has me excited.`
`03:59.49`	ag`	`it's simple`
`03:59.55`	`Pogo`	`I can get rid of Antagonist if this is seamless.`
`04:00.01`	`Pogo`	`Antagonist pisses me off.`
`04:00.03`	`ilifin`	`Pogo, it looks really cool too`
`04:00.06`	`ilifin`	`imo!`
`04:00.14`	`Vanish`	ag`: I was gonna try hacking the code to allow it, but didn't know what I'd break in doing so. ;)
`04:00.22`	`Pogo`	`Yeah ilifin it's really slick`
`04:00.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Antagonist pisses you off? hmm, couldnt have seen that coming. )`
`04:00.24`	ag`	`doesn't xperl have castbars and shit?`
`04:00.27`	`ilifin`	`problem is, by removing antagonist or NECB, which I use, I don't have any diminishing return timers`
`04:00.35`	`ilifin`	`so I kind of get duplicate casting bars`
`04:00.57`	`Roartindon`	`www.lim.com.au/WoW/AceCast.zip - adjusts aguf's player casting bar for lag`
`04:01.10`	ag`	`Vanish: you have to set the direction you want the auras to grow in the layout, see ABF`
`04:01.35`	ag`	`then the method for setting aura positions would have to support grow UP/DOWN instead of just LEFT/RIGHT`
`04:01.35`	`Vanish`	ag`: I know, but up and down do't work.. or didn't as of days ago...
`04:01.44`	`Pogo`	`They work.`
`04:02.26`	`CIA-17`	`03toadkiller * r24606 10AutoBarConfig/ (AutoBarConfig.lua AutoBarConfig.xml):`
`04:02.26`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBarConfig:`
`04:02.26`	`CIA-17`	`-- Split Out the button code`
`04:02.26`	`CIA-17`	`-- Switch to Bartender3 style buttons`
`04:02.34`	`Aileen_`	`You only have to remove them from the SavedVariables files of the addons that are affected but be careful, you dont' want to screw up the file`
`04:03.14`	`Pogo`	`Hmm`
`04:03.19`	`Pogo`	`Screw up the file eh...`
`04:03.25`	`Pogo`	`That's something that I'll definitely do.`
`04:03.38`	`vhaarr`	ag`: configure your editor plx
`04:03.43`	`vhaarr`	ag`: which one do you use?
`04:03.45`	ag`	`I use scite`
`04:03.49`	`vhaarr`	`grr`
`04:03.53`	`lapalapa`	`w00t!`
`04:03.53`	`vhaarr`	ag`: you use spaces by default
`04:03.55`	`vhaarr`	ag`: fix it
`04:03.59`	ag`	`what the fuck`
`04:04.02`	ag`	`I don't want spaces`
`04:04.05`	`vhaarr`	ag`: your commits always fuck up
`04:04.05`	ag`	`I want fucking tabs`
`04:04.08`	`lapalapa`	`looks like server load is a bit down right now`
`04:04.08`	`Barbanus`	`wtf, so I install taintchecker, and now prat isnt complaining about a tainted pet bar .. I dont get it, lol`
`04:04.10`	`vhaarr`	ag`: and I have to go clean up
`04:04.14`	`lapalapa`	`wowace updater actually updates`
`04:04.15`	ag`	`vhaarr: lol..`
`04:04.17`	`vhaarr`	ag`: :P
`04:04.18`	`Vanish`	ag`: Yeah, your spaces suck hard, man
`04:04.27`	ag`	`I've never noticed I didn't use tabs`
`04:04.30`	`robotusch`	`:D`
`04:04.30`	ag`	`I hate spaces`
`04:04.36`	`symb`	`lapalapa: shh - don�t tell anyone =)`
`04:04.48`	`lapalapa`	`bonks himself`
`04:05.32`	`lapalapa`	`btw yaABF layout still not fixed in ag_uf?`
`04:05.46`	`lapalapa`	`forced me to switch to ABF temporary but font size is too small for me =(`
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`04:06.18`	`ilifin`	ag`, what about the mirrorbar?
`04:06.26`	`ilifin`	`will the default one be shown?`
`04:07.18`	ag`	`I don't do anything to the mirrorbar`
`04:07.28`	ag`	`And I do not intend to`
`04:07.59`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24607 10BigWigs_CommonAuras/CommonAuras.lua: BigWigs_CommonAuras: Use select(...) cause it's so cool.`
`04:08.08`	`Vanish`	`is FuBar exploding on anyone else when they try to move an icon?`
`04:08.42`	`Pogo`	`Someone tell Bananabar dude to make a Fubar plugin`
`04:08.52`	`vhaarr`	`Just get DeuceCommander.`
`04:08.56`	`Pogo`	`I don't want to see anything around my minimap, dammit`
`04:09.04`	`Barbanus`	`Bananabar dude, make pogo a plugin`
`04:09.08`	`Barbanus`	`happy? :P`
`04:09.10`	`CIA-17`	`03toadkiller * r24608 10AutoBar/ (14 files in 2 dirs):`
`04:09.10`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBar:`
`04:09.10`	`CIA-17`	`-- Split Out the button code`
`04:09.10`	`CIA-17`	`-- Switch to Bartender3 style buttons`
`04:09.16`	`Pogo`	`I'm happy... if he's here lol`
`04:09.26`	ag`	`what does Deuce mean vhaarr ?`
`04:09.35`	ag`	`reminds me of Douchebag`
`04:09.38`	ag`	`DoucheCommander`
`04:09.47`	`pogotribal`	`Deucecommander does more than ModMenuTuFu?`
`04:09.56`	`vhaarr`	ag`: 2
`04:10.01`	`ilifin`	`Vanish, it was exploding on me when I had gonffbar enabled`
`04:10.03`	`vhaarr`	ag`: The deuce of hearts, for example.
`04:10.09`	`Vanish`	`Deuce Commander works much better than ModMenu`
`04:10.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes, it gives you dewdrop/gui access to the CLI options for any of your ace2 addons.`
`04:10.25`	`Vanish`	`ilifin: Hmm... I don't use gonffbar`
`04:10.29`	`vhaarr`	ag`: Yeah, it's similar to douche, hence my spin on that with the DeuceLog addon.
`04:10.37`	`ilifin`	`actually, I turned off altclick-something too`
`04:10.43`	`pogotribal`	`Alright I'll try Deuce`
`04:10.49`	`ilifin`	`anyway, what was breaking was AceEvent`
`04:10.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its really nice`
`04:11.02`	`vhaarr`	`self:Print(string.format(L["Deucebag killed: %s."], targetName))`
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`04:12.46`	`Oh`	`what happen to otravi_castbar? Is there any good castbar addons anyone can recommend?`
`04:13.00`	`JoshBorke`	`Oh: it is being rewritten`
`04:13.08`	`Vanish`	`Oh: Use CBRipoff`
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`04:13.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`frankly, i like eCastingBar`
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`04:14.53`	`pogotribal`	`your mother and your neighbor`
`04:15.16`	`pogotribal`	`Aileen should I delete any settings that correspond to the profiles I deleted?`
`04:15.27`	`pogotribal`	`Or will those sorta just be... ignored...`
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`04:16.47`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24609 10FuBar/FuBar_Panel.lua: FuBar: For some reason, this fixes the positioning error. There must be some metatable I'm not aware of.`
`04:17.07`	`pogotribal`	`Sweet! I can't see any icons!`
`04:17.40`	`Tain`	`Icons are overrated.`
`04:17.40`	`Zazen`	`nice`
`04:18.04`	`pogotribal`	`I knew I would fuck something up.`
`04:18.16`	`pogotribal`	`And "CHaracter of Servername" profiles are the only ones showing up! Nice!`
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`04:19.37`	`vhaarr`	`Vanish: try fubar now`
`04:20.38`	`Codayus`	`Hmm, anyone know what the whole "promote to MA/MT" stuff is about in the raid ui now?`
`04:20.50`	`vhaarr`	`Main Assist and Main Tank?`
`04:21.17`	`Codayus`	`Yeah`
`04:21.23`	`CIA-17`	`03arjuna * r24610 10simpleMinimap/ (modules/skins.lua simpleMinimap.lua simpleMinimap.toc):`
`04:21.24`	`CIA-17`	`simpleMinimap:`
`04:21.24`	`CIA-17`	`- SMM no longer checks for 'skins' module, module overwrites button math function`
`04:21.24`	`CIA-17`	`- AceOO dep was lost somewhere, added that back in`
`04:21.34`	`Codayus`	`Doesn't seem to do anything except put a symbol next to people in the raid ui.`
`04:21.41`	`Vanish`	`vhaarr: I will as soon as it shows up on files`
`04:22.05`	`vhaarr`	`I'll be sleeping then, oh well.`
`04:22.22`	`Vanish`	`LOL! Ok, I'll export from svn`
`04:22.58`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm having issues with it too, vhaar, I'm trying to export, but I'm getting errors from tortoise svn.`
`04:23.03`	`Vanish`	`wait.. vhaarr = Rabbit?`
`04:23.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`we know of a specific mirror that should be good to try?`
`04:23.09`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`04:23.26`	`Vanish`	`Crap. the mirror I use is at 24608`
`04:23.31`	`kergoth`	`mjc, woo, fuck svnadmin dump + reload, can just edit the fsfs repo manually :)`
`04:23.35`	`kergoth`	`mjc, didnt think about that`
`04:23.47`	`mjc`	`:p`
`04:23.49`	`Vanish`	`kergoth: careful with that`
`04:24.04`	`kergoth`	`i know, always need to be careful poking into internals of anything.`
`04:24.14`	`kergoth`	`no choice here though, i need to physically remove revisions from the repository`
`04:24.21`	`mjc`	`moron ;)`
`04:24.27`	`Vanish`	`LOL`
`04:24.33`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`2 seems to be working for me.`
`04:24.37`	`kergoth`	`:) guess i used bdb repo's for too long`
`04:24.42`	`kergoth`	`forget how easy fsfs is to fuck with`
`04:25.40`	`Vanish`	`2?`
`04:25.40`	`Vanish`	`'m using agamemnon`
`04:25.40`	`pogotribal`	`FuBar_Panel.lua:675:wrong number of arguments to 'insert'`
`04:25.40`	`pogotribal`	`I am now dragging the icon anywhere on my screen.`
`04:25.41`	`Vanish`	`Newest version, Pogo?`
`04:26.12`	`pogotribal`	`I just did the update tool.`
`04:26.22`	`vhaarr`	`hrm`
`04:26.25`	`vhaarr`	`That's an old bug.`
`04:26.27`	`vhaarr`	`Unrelated.`
`04:26.53`	`Vanish`	`I'm getting it now, vhaarr`
`04:26.55`	`pogotribal`	`rev 24609 of Fubar, rev 24601 of FuBarPlugin-2.0`
`04:27.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I just updated fubar sans externals and am reloading.`
`04:27.58`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`uhm.`
`04:28.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`woot`
`04:28.02`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`well, all of my plugins are showing now.`
`04:28.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`but it's not "fixed"`
`04:28.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`that last autobar commit finally made the damn buttons act SANE`
`04:28.24`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: What's wrong?`
`04:28.25`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`lemme pastey`
`04:28.26`	`pogotribal`	`mmm, I'm still getting profiles written as Character of Servername`
`04:28.31`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`well, fuck,`
`04:28.35`	`pogotribal`	`Is that the new way or the old way?`
`04:29.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`uhm and yeah, I can drag icons anywhere on the screen now, too`
`04:29.03`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`kind of in the middle of heigan clear, this is a tough time to try to post and break shit.`
`04:29.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`with the latest fubar :D`
`04:29.19`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`yes, and they don't "snap" into positions properly on the panel`
`04:29.29`	`Vanish`	`Same problems, vhaarr`
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`04:29.42`	`vhaarr`	`worked here, wtf`
`04:29.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`hehe, downgrading`
`04:29.53`	`Aileen_`	`pogotribal, the whole point was that "you - server" could be localized properly... so if you have an English client, yes you will still see "you of server" :)`
`04:30.19`	`vhaarr`	`Vanish: How do I reproduce?`
`04:30.24`	`break19`	`hmmmm... I see two Buris of Tanaris profiles tho.. is that a bug? lol`
`04:30.26`	`pogotribal`	`So my goal is to get rid of "Character - Servername"!`
`04:30.33`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ace.pastey.net/4879`
`04:30.34`	`Aileen_`	`noooo`
`04:30.45`	`Vanish`	`Well, all I do is drag an icon. It won't position, it stops anywhere on screen, and throws an error`
`04:30.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`what the heck, downgraded, now I've still got the errors that only showed up after the last update`
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`04:30.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`what gives :\`
`04:31.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I can't get you a screenshot just now, sorry`
`04:31.02`	`pogotribal`	`FuBar_Panel.lua:675:wrong number of arguments to 'insert'`
`04:31.15`	`Aileen_`	`acedb stores profiles as "you - server" now so that the "-" can be turned into whatever "of" is in the person's client language`
`04:31.15`	`break19`	`MrPlow + OneBank = angry Mr Plow`
`04:31.33`	`Barbanus`	`Why would you localize it?`
`04:31.36`	`pogotribal`	`AHHHHHH`
`04:31.37`	`Barbanus`	`you - server is clear what it means`
`04:31.41`	`pogotribal`	`So that's why I'm seeing "OF" still`
`04:31.42`	`Aileen_`	`"you of server" is the old one, not used anymore`
`04:31.44`	`Barbanus`	`Why would you change - to anything? :P`
`04:31.46`	`pogotribal`	`Ok great.`
`04:31.56`	`pogotribal`	`So nothing's actually wrong, and I'm happy, and thanking you again.`
`04:32.07`	`Aileen_`	`I don't know, ask ckknight :)`
`04:32.24`	`Barbanus`	`hehe`
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`04:32.27`	`Aileen_`	`it seemed to cause a lot more problems than it was worth ;) I spent a good 2-3 hours having to redo my entire UI`
`04:32.30`	`pogotribal`	`Because Pogotribal de Warcraft is in Spanish`
`04:32.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you wouldnt need to turn "-" into anything, which is the point. :P`
`04:32.51`	`Barbanus`	`Aileen_, well it does make sense ... blah of blah is kinda not right`
`04:33.03`	`Vanish`	`I get the same error ZealotOnAStick gets`
`04:33.05`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24611 10FuBar/FuBar_Panel.lua: FuBar: Better fix?`
`04:33.09`	`vhaarr`	`Vanish, ZealotOnAStick: Try again.`
`04:33.21`	`Slade`	`anyone had problems getting disconnected while zoning, like in the arenas? trying to figure out what it is`
`04:33.39`	`Barbanus`	`NightHawkTheSane, except it is .. its being localized to "blah of blah" but stored in the DB as "blah - blah"`
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`04:34.29`	`pogotribal`	`THe only problem was that the old "Character of Server" profiles weren't being deleted from the profiles lists.`
`04:34.46`	`pogotribal`	`They were copied to "Character - Server" but not deleted, I guess.`
`04:34.55`	`Aileen_`	`I'm guessing in non-English it was a lot more obivous which profile was the new one ;)`
`04:35.14`	`pogotribal`	`Confused the hell out of me.`
`04:36.02`	`pogotribal`	`Trying to update Fubar but I guess it doesn't see it yet.`
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`04:36.19`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr, shouldnt surfacecontrol register for the surface registration event, to update its validate table?`
`04:36.29`	`nymbia`	`pogotribal: it takes up to 20 minutes to show up in WAU`
`04:36.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`well, I'm trying, I can't seem to get onto an SVN mirror that has the rev yet.`
`04:36.51`	`Vanish`	`same`
`04:37.05`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: no, because I changed Surface to just have one table for the list, globally. Problem is that addons could alter it now, so I wanted to setmetatable with some restrictions, but I couldn't get it working.`
`04:37.10`	`lapalapa`	`btw guys am i the only one who got fu_bar working?`
`04:37.13`	`kergoth`	`ahh`
`04:37.51`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr, __newindex should let you protect against new entries.. though people could still fuck up existing ones.. a proxy would be best`
`04:37.51`	`pogotribal`	`Are there usually this many people in this channel?`
`04:38.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`GOOD GAME BLIZZARD!`
`04:38.19`	`lapalapa`	`..`
`04:38.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`my friend on his alt which has the lowest rank in our guild is able to do anything the guildmaster can`
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`04:38.39`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: think you could hack it up? I tried protecting __newindex with \|setmetatable(textures, { __newindex = function(t, k, v) error("Can't modify a read-only table.", 2) end })\|, but it didn't have any effect. I have to head to bed, so feel free to make a proxy.`
`04:39.04`	`kergoth`	`will do`
`04:39.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`infact he did /print IsGuildLeader() and it returned 1`
`04:39.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`and hes the lowest rank in the guild`
`04:39.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`dollars to donuts that, and all the raid issues is all related to one big OBOE`
`04:39.41`	`pogotribal`	`OBOE?`
`04:39.45`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: of course, surfacelib would have to be able to modify the table`
`04:39.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"off by one error"`
`04:39.56`	`vhaarr`	`anyway`
`04:39.58`	`vhaarr`	`zzZz`
`04:39.58`	`pogotribal`	`ahhh`
`04:40.12`	`Vanish`	`You can't go to sleep! It isn't allowed...`
`04:40.41`	`Fisker-`	`did blizzard change AV?`
`04:40.52`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`exporting now.`
`04:40.56`	`Tain`	`Sleep, those little slices of death. How I loathe them.`
`04:41.03`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`not really. They more broke it, like many other things this patch.`
`04:41.07`	`Vanish`	`Where'd you grab it, Zealot?`
`04:41.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Someone in QA had better have been fired.`
`04:41.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`svn2, after my repo browser hung and died, and I restarted it.`
`04:41.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`though the export is -crawling-`
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`04:42.07`	`Vanish`	`I love agamemnon cause it's fast as hell... but it lags behind in syncs`
`04:42.09`	`pogotribal`	`Anyone use Fence? Does it have any of the same features as Auctioneer?`
`04:42.21`	`ilifin`	`Ominous, any possibility of adding Riposte to the RogueTimerFu addon? lasts for 6 seconds`
`04:42.31`	`Vanish`	`I use it, and it ONLY does things related to making auctions, really`
`04:42.43`	`Jellinek`	`does anyone have any idea why I don't see combopoints with aguf anymore?`
`04:42.59`	`pogotribal`	`Can it split a stack of 10 dreamfoil and post each individually for a price that I set?`
`04:43.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`seriously this is so fucked up`
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`04:43.12`	`pogotribal`	`Jellinek: Update your ag_UF`
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`04:43.20`	`Jellinek`	`I did, didn't help`
`04:43.27`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Rabbit * r24612 10FuBar_GroupFu/libs/: FuBar_GroupFu: Missing Deformat external.`
`04:43.29`	`mjc`	`~whalestab this`
`04:43.32`	`purl`	`ACTION stabs this with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery`
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`04:43.35`	`Jellinek`	`and since I updated, I get fubar errors too..`
`04:43.38`	`djspark`	`what's a good way to determine how much Script Memory you allocate in wow?`
`04:43.51`	`pogotribal`	`PerformanceFu`
`04:44.00`	`pogotribal`	`You mean how much you end up using?`
`04:44.19`	`pogotribal`	`PerformanceFu will show how much memory you're using, and it can force garbage collection which is awesome.`
`04:44.21`	`djspark`	`no, how much to setup in the addons screen`
`04:44.30`	`djspark`	`yeah, I love that mod`
`04:45.02`	`pogotribal`	`I'd assume that your maximum amount of memory usage in PerformanceFu would be the least amount of memory you'd allocate in the AddOns screen.`
`04:45.14`	`mjc`	`yes`
`04:45.30`	`pogotribal`	`I just set mine to 0`
`04:45.33`	`djspark`	`so you would determine that by giving it some lofty amount and seeing how much it uses`
`04:45.40`	`djspark`	`oh, you can set it to 0 (unlimited) ?`
`04:45.48`	`pogotribal`	`Yeah 0 is unlimited.`
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`04:45.53`	`djspark`	`great, that works for me`
`04:46.08`	`pogotribal`	`I have about 30 Ace2 mods including Cartographer with a shitload of nodes and I don't break 52MB`
`04:46.13`	`nymbia`	`i dont like it, the GC isnt very aggressive when it's set at unlimited`
`04:46.36`	`Vanish`	`I agree with Nymbia. I set mine to 48MB`
`04:47.00`	`pogotribal`	`I didn't know GC was affected by the memory set, I might revert back to 64mb if that's the case.`
`04:47.07`	`djspark`	`hehe, I had mine set to 256mb`
`04:47.09`	`pogotribal`	`Or set it to about 55.`
`04:47.10`	`mjc`	`GC doesn't do anything`
`04:47.16`	`mjc`	`when you put it to 0`
`04:47.18`	`mjc`	`not really`
`04:47.29`	`mjc`	`only if your allocation rate doubles in a certain time period`
`04:47.30`	`nymbia`	`it'll do a bit. a very small bit.`
`04:47.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`whats the function to get somebody elses guild rank? like for displaying in the inspect frame?`
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`04:47.44`	`pogotribal`	`I notice differences. I'll try setting memory though.`
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`04:48.13`	`CrisCrOss`	`Hey ne1 use PowerPoint 2003?`
`04:48.18`	`CrisCrOss`	`that can help me rlly quickly`
`04:48.20`	`Vanish`	`Good Lord exporting is dogpoop slow tonight`
`04:48.57`	`CrisCrOss`	`..`
`04:49.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ok, that seems to have fixed it vhaar.`
`04:49.15`	`pogotribal`	`FuBar working again.`
`04:49.34`	`Vanish`	`Still waiting on the export. heh`
`04:49.49`	`sergio`	`does wow have a way to cap your max fps`
`04:49.55`	`sergio`	`other than vsync`
`04:50.10`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`somoene in /g was claming that same computer same ram, you get a better framerate with it set to 128 rather than 0`
`04:50.16`	`pogotribal`	`Ok, I set my script memory to 64MB and I noticed that GC puts me down to 27mb now, down from about 31mb before.`
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`04:50.28`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`that's environmental`
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`04:51.35`	`nymbia`	`Nargiddley: why do these items have "*N..." in green overlaying them?`
`04:52.19`	`NeoTron`	`hmm`
`04:52.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"New"?`
`04:52.29`	`Thorgard`	`Pewp, [2007/01/10 22:54:04-44-x1]: FuBar-2.0.22732\FuBar_Panel.lua:663: bad argument #2 to 'insert' (number expected, got string), already fixed or.. ?`
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`04:52.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`BEST BUG EVER!`
`04:52.33`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Thats what it means in engbags`
`04:52.36`	`NeoTron`	`Does plugin:GetTitle() return more than one variable?`
`04:52.44`	`NeoTron`	`that would explain the above errors`
`04:53.13`	`djspark`	`is fubar fubared in svn ?`
`04:53.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i recall he implemented highlighting new items in baggins, so that's probably it`
`04:54.32`	`Thorgard`	`Pewp.`
`04:54.32`	`Vanish`	`Gotta love netsplits`
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`04:54.45`	`Gamefaq`	`now that was a nice net split :)`
`04:55.32`	`nymbia`	`NightHawkTheSane: yeah, that's probably it.`
`04:55.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`this is the best fucking bug ever`
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`04:55.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`my friend got guild leadership but he isnt the guild leader`
`04:55.44`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Are you sure it's not raid leadership?`
`04:55.44`	`nymbia`	`lol, how'd that happen?`
`04:55.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hmm. netsplit. still less than sorcery.net has`
`04:55.55`	`Vanish`	`vhaarr: w00t! FuBar works as advertised again. ;D`
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`04:56.46`	`Sapiens`	`Poor server. :(`
`04:57.16`	`djspark`	`my copy of fubar prior to 2.03 worked well with 2.03, however the most recent svn copy is fubared ;-)`
`04:57.22`	`Arilaw[ArgentDaw`	`...`
`04:57.49`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`It was fine yesterday.. it's the europeans fault. :p`
`04:58.05`	`pogotribal`	`Update it now, it works fine`
`04:58.51`	`djspark`	`does a reloadui reload addons?`
`04:58.58`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`djspark: Sometimes.`
`04:59.02`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`not .toc changes or new addons, but yes`
`04:59.11`	`Jellinek`	`my fubar/aguf worked fine until I updated aguf.. now both are borked`
`04:59.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`so IsGuildLeader() is returning 1, and GetGuildInfo() is returning a guild rank of "Guild Master", but the guild roster is showing him as "Alt" which is the 2nd to lowest rank, and he has full guild leader control`
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`05:00.42`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`Arrowmaster: Is it related to http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/63757216.htm?`
`05:01.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`not sure but it might be`
`05:02.25`	`Vanish`	`djspark: rev 24611 works perfectly fine`
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`05:02.54`	`Nargiddley`	`nymbia, yeah that'll be them getting marked with New`
`05:03.15`	`Nargiddley`	`fits in fine for me tho`
`05:03.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Just my own guesses, but I'd wager the two are related.`
`05:03.21`	`Jellinek`	`hmm... newest ag_uf and fubar work fine together now :)`
`05:03.36`	`Jellinek`	`only problem is missing combopoints, which makes aguf fairly unusable`
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`05:04.04`	`Thorgard`	`Jellinek, they're there, you just have to turn on the casting bar for 'target'.`
`05:05.24`	`Thorgard`	`Bit of a bug.`
`05:05.24`	`jokie`	`Anyone have any recommendations for an Autobar clone or similar addon?`
`05:05.24`	`Jellinek`	`aye, that's kinda weird :)`
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`05:05.28`	`Thorgard`	`jokie, Autobar's not working for you?`
`05:05.28`	`lapalapa`	`Jellinek i use Gonffbar for combo display`
`05:05.28`	`Jellinek`	`using another castingbar cause it's a bit clearer, but I like aguf's subtle way of showing`
`05:05.28`	`lapalapa`	`actually i would be happy if AGUF combo points could be tunred off since they arent nice`
`05:05.28`	`lapalapa`	`ahh i se`
`05:05.28`	`lapalapa`	`see*`
`05:05.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`although i for some reason this just doesnt seem related to the name lookup bug`
`05:05.28`	`Jellinek`	`you can just disable the castingbar then lapa :p`
`05:05.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Could probably revert to an older version of Autobar for the time being if it's not working for you. I've been using r24386 without a problem`
`05:06.03`	`jokie`	`k thanks you nighthawk.. I was thinking of reverting as well. You become to used to having some of these mods without realizing it sometimes`
`05:06.03`	`lapalapa`	`already did =)`
`05:06.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah, i know what you mean. i'd really hate to lose autobar. ><`
`05:06.50`	`jokie`	`and yes, autobar starting throwing errors with the ~7am update and continues now with the 20:00 update it seems`
`05:06.51`	`Jellinek`	`Thanks Thorgard, points back now :) Now I'll just wait for a version that allows me to hide castingbar and show points :)`
`05:06.57`	`pogotribal`	`Well there's also the nature of this system that you might catch an update in the middle of revisions, where new bugs emerge before the author catches it.`
`05:07.29`	`pogotribal`	`Jellinek I think there are rogue addons that show a little window with your health, energy, and combo points.`
`05:07.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pogotribal: exactly. fortunately, the nature of subversion means its not usually difficult to revert. :)`
`05:07.35`	`pogotribal`	`Could probably use that temporarily.`
`05:08.03`	`Jellinek`	`I'm good now, I'll just leave the castingbar on, but thanks :)`
`05:08.09`	`pogotribal`	`NightHawk I'm not sure how to install a subversion.`
`05:08.32`	`Mimesis`	`anyone know of a melee swing timer mod? 2 hand swings at least?`
`05:08.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, you dont need to. subversion is the version control system that ace devs use :)`
`05:08.51`	`pogotribal`	`Oh I see.`
`05:08.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that's what wowaceupdater and the wowace.com/files script ties in to`
`05:09.00`	`jokie`	`actually 24386 of autobar seems to be the version I received with wowaceupdater. Maybe I should blow out the wtf for it?`
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`05:09.17`	`pogotribal`	`When in doubt, blow out your WTF`
`05:09.18`	`Vanish`	`Damn.. ag is gone`
`05:09.21`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`autobar was giving me a problem`
`05:09.38`	`jokie`	`dont know why I didn't do that earlier.. I usually am better about that. =)`
`05:09.40`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`till i deleted the autobar.lua in my SavedVariables and then fiddled with the button alignment option`
`05:09.55`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`now it's working fine`
`05:10.05`	`jokie`	`good to know.. deleting mine now`
`05:10.16`	`Xand`	`Just a small AG_UF bug. If you dismiss a pet and resummon it. The health bar changes color and can only be fixed by relogging.`
`05:10.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`just a SV issue? that's cool`
`05:10.51`	`pogotribal`	ag`'s not here
`05:11.08`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`yea, think all you might have to do is change how it lines up the buttons compared to the achor and close options and reload it`
`05:11.16`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`*anchor`
`05:11.28`	`CIA-17`	`03kemayo * r24613 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: Remove some legacy code now that the 2.0.3 patch has hit.`
`05:12.06`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Does anyone know where the brood turn in guy is? He's gone, but the doors to CoT are open..`
`05:12.17`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`is that svn announce bot something custom made? cuz god damn I want one for my svn lol :(`
`05:12.18`	`pogotribal`	`What are the mods that have a graphic along the bottom into which bars and info are organized?`
`05:12.34`	`pogotribal`	`I want to develop some graphics for UIs.`
`05:13.30`	`pogotribal`	`And then create a "kit" of bartender and other Ace2 mods for specific classes.`
`05:14.11`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`It's probably better to make a base set of graphics, and not make any compilations.. too many people make compilations already`
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`05:15.03`	`pogotribal`	`Yeah but my graphics might not mesh with certain addons, or some addons won't have the functionality to fit into the graphics.`
`05:15.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`OvrLrd-Q: i believe it's provided by CIA`
`05:15.25`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Are you going to update those addons that dont have the functionality?`
`05:15.38`	`pogotribal`	`mmm... no lol`
`05:16.40`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`NightHawkTheSane: ah`
`05:16.58`	`lapalapa`	`NightHawkTheSane: I smell KGB`
`05:17.02`	`Barbanus`	`Kruul is wrecking SW on my server`
`05:17.04`	`lapalapa`	`commy bastards!`
`05:17.14`	`Barbanus`	`Like obliterating it`
`05:17.33`	`pogotribal`	`Can I get Buffalo to limit the amount of max buffs it can show?`
`05:18.43`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`change the number of rows and columns should do it`
`05:18.49`	`break19`	`can I get some gnomish engineer to make me a clock stopper?`
`05:19.11`	`break19`	`just stop the clock for 6 hours, lemme get a little extra sleep in.`
`05:19.29`	`PProvost`	`So was GMail eliminated/cancelled/something?`
`05:19.35`	`Fisker-`	`it's postal now`
`05:19.37`	`Jokie`	`OvrLrd-Q, was this the error you were getting? AutoBar-2.00.00.21 beta\Core.lua:337: bad argument #1 to 'fmod' (number expected, got nil)`
`05:19.41`	`Fisker-`	`and was eliminated for teh copying`
`05:19.43`	`break19`	`i should go to bed.. god insomnia sucks. :/`
`05:19.55`	`PProvost`	`Postal? Same feature set?`
`05:20.11`	`nymbia`	`PProvost: better feature set`
`05:20.18`	`PProvost`	`Excellent`
`05:20.20`	`PProvost`	`ty`
`05:20.37`	`nymbia`	`not too useable yet but coming along`
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`05:20.45`	`PProvost`	`Not too usable?`
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`05:21.10`	`Fisker-`	`it's in trunk now`
`05:21.23`	`Barbanus`	`hahaaha I just owned all of stormwind`
`05:21.33`	`nymbia`	`is it? he must be confident in it, then`
`05:21.38`	`Barbanus`	`Paladin shield + taunt + run into the middle of SW`
`05:21.39`	`PProvost`	`What does "not too usable" mean?`
`05:21.46`	`CIA-17`	`03toadkiller * r24614 10AutoBar/AutoBarButton.lua:`
`05:21.46`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBar:`
`05:21.46`	`CIA-17`	`-check for null buttons`
`05:21.50`	`nymbia`	`grennon: postal's stable and all that good stuff?`
`05:21.52`	`Fisker-`	`i think it should be somewhat usable now`
`05:22.19`	`Fisker-`	`and who the hell put in dreamlayout in autobar?`
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`05:22.53`	`Fisker-`	`lol @ Chatty Forsaken`
`05:23.06`	`Fisker-`	`Since when did the undead fight alongside the night elves?`
`05:23.10`	`Fisker-`	`or elves for that matter`
`05:23.11`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`05:23.16`	`Jellinek`	`belfs`
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`05:24.50`	`BrunoBach`	`hey! im having a problem with eepanels! after adjustig/dragging some panels around and doing a reloadui, all panels simply dissapeared.`
`05:25.11`	`Jellinek`	`same as chatty dwarf, who's referring to the betrayal of the elves.. bloodelves were allied once (WC3) and "generic" (high?) elves too in WC2`
`05:25.42`	`Jellinek`	`Anyway, have a good night people`
`05:25.54`	`Jellinek`	`or morning, if you're euro like me :\|`
`05:26.09`	`CIA-17`	`03maudy * r24615 10ClassColors/ClassColors.toc: ClassColors: Increment the file version`
`05:26.44`	`Smeg`	`Question: did the aceupdater and fubar blew when moving plugins around on the bar, these errors were spit out, Fubar_Panel.lua 638 Wrong number of arguments to 'insert' and bad argument #2 to insert`
`05:27.15`	`CIA-17`	`03kemayo * r24616 10FuBar_ToFu/ (FuBar_ToFu.toc Libs/ ToFu.lua):`
`05:27.15`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_ToFu:`
`05:27.15`	`CIA-17`	`-Switch to Dismount() instead of buff-canceling now 2.0.3 is here. Yay!`
`05:27.15`	`CIA-17`	`-Remove Gratuity, as no longer needed.`
`05:27.41`	`Fisker-`	`Anyone got an idea about how meta gems are used?`
`05:27.53`	`Codayus`	`Trying to organize a raid is so much fun since the patch.`
`05:28.06`	`Codayus`	`Promote/kick/assists totally messed up. :-/`
`05:28.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah, as i understand it, only head items have meta gem slots, and meta gems have "requirements" for use, that are listed on the gem. things like "must have more red gems than green gems socketed"`
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`05:28.40`	`nymbia`	`Fisker-: special meta slots only, which are only in head items. most also have requirements as to having other gems socketed somewhere in your gear`
`05:28.42`	`break19`	`Codayus: holds up a sign, in the method of Wile E Coyote Help!`
`05:29.09`	`Fisker-`	`ah`
`05:29.12`	`Fisker-`	`I was getting worried`
`05:29.18`	`break19`	`screw it, I gotta at least TRY to sleep.. zzzzzzzzzzzzz`
`05:29.19`	`Fisker-`	`cause i was thinking it was like in the same slot`
`05:29.24`	`Codayus`	`We spent 10 minutes trying to kick an offline mage...spent so long he came back. :-/`
`05:29.25`	`Fisker-`	`So you had to have like 3 gems in the same slot`
`05:29.34`	`Fisker-`	`and since i've never seen any 4 socket items i was worried :P`
`05:29.37`	`Codayus`	`We're not 28 minutes past designated pull time, and we're ABOUT TO PULL. ZOMG.`
`05:29.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, the requirements are across all your gear, i believe`
`05:29.53`	`nymbia`	`correct :)`
`05:30.13`	`Fisker-`	`Blizzard should've made a preorder program :(`
`05:30.32`	`Fisker-`	`So that people who preordered the game could start a draenei/blood elf`
`05:30.45`	`PProvost`	`I still can't believe that an online game, where you can pay online for the monthly fee, still requires me to go to a store and buy a frigging box`
`05:30.57`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`05:31.29`	`Fisker-`	`Also annoying that my CE won't be ready at midnight so i was considering hopping out to get another expansion`
`05:31.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`welcome to the world of marketing and vendor contracts. :\`
`05:31.36`	`Fisker-`	`but you can't upgrade or change the key either`
`05:31.44`	`Fisker-`	`so i have to wait for the postal services to get here`
`05:32.33`	`Smeg`	`Are there any of the Ace or Fubar devs on at the moment`
`05:33.09`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`Smeg: What's the question? Not a dev but someone may know the answer if you ask. :P`
`05:33.33`	`Smeg`	`did the aceupdater and fubar is so tp speak fubared in a big way`
`05:33.50`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`Are you running BugSack?`
`05:34.04`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`I'm about to go test FuBar, I'll let you know if it's borked.`
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`05:34.16`	`Smeg`	`is that off the ace site`
`05:34.20`	`Fisker-`	`fubar works fine here with the latest revision`
`05:34.26`	`Fisker-`	`from wowace.com/files`
`05:35.00`	`NeoTron`	`so FuBar: Replacing three instances of table.insert(table, plugin:GetTitle()) with local title = plugin:GetTitle(); table.insert(table, title) seems to fix quite a few errors...`
`05:35.14`	`NeoTron`	`so some plugins have multi-value returns from GetTitle?`
`05:35.20`	`Smeg`	`thats my problem area`
`05:35.54`	`Smeg`	`move a addon on the fubar bar cause a error in table.insert says invalid number arguments`
`05:36.03`	`NeoTron`	`Also another problem: Prat: you must be attached to a panel (when I drag the prat entry)`
`05:36.05`	`Fisker-`	`ah sek`
`05:36.07`	`Fisker-`	`sec*`
`05:36.36`	`Fisker-`	`still no errors here`
`05:38.01`	`Smeg`	`Error Message Fubar_Panel.lua 638 Wrong number of arguments to 'insert'`
`05:38.49`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker-: not all plugins do it, but I suspect it gets called with table.insert(table, string1, string2) or similar and thus fails`
`05:39.29`	`Smeg`	`sec 24611 is now coming down the pipe, newer than what I grabbed 1.5 hrs ago`
`05:39.41`	`Fisker-`	`Well NeoTron then it can't be a fubar problem then?`
`05:40.01`	`robotusch`	`Fisker, you can always have my CE lokke-lokke ;D`
`05:40.04`	`Smeg`	`is table.insert a ace function?`
`05:40.11`	`Fisker-`	`I got CE?`
`05:40.13`	`TheKarn`	`no`
`05:40.17`	`TheKarn`	`smeg, no`
`05:40.22`	`Smeg`	`ah ok`
`05:40.40`	`robotusch`	`not at midnight you don't`
`05:42.20`	`Smeg`	`ah hah 24611 is working for fubar`
`05:42.27`	`Smeg`	`version that is`
`05:42.58`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`I'm still trying to get ClearFont2 to update. :(`
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`05:43.11`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`o/`
`05:43.14`	`Fisker-`	`o/`
`05:43.26`	`Fisker-`	`our leader has arrived`
`05:43.34`	`Smeg`	`Bow :-)`
`05:43.42`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`You bow, we waved.`
`05:43.48`	`Fisker-`	`oh`
`05:43.50`	`Fisker-`	`i thought we heiled`
`05:44.01`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker-: it's more like a fubar plugin problem`
`05:44.15`	`NeoTron`	`GetTitle isn't returning what it's supposed to return in some instances`
`05:44.26`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`That's a game issue though.`
`05:46.26`	`Smeg`	`ok fubar is working much better with version 24611`
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`05:48.06`	`Fisker-`	`oh how i lust for Lo'Grosh to spawn`
`05:51.17`	`lapalapa`	`nn people`
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`05:53.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`This is -crazy- http://www.obscuretags.com/showcode.php?id=13`
`05:54.54`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
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`05:55.17`	`Gamefaq`	`hi ck`
`05:55.34`	`Fisker-`	`hmm NightHawkTheSane`
`05:55.36`	`djspark`	`is there a fubar ice_hud mod?`
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`05:55.46`	`Fisker-`	`Isn't that asking for exploitation? :P`
`05:55.50`	`xlvii`	`has anyone seen the pursuit of hapiness?`
`05:56.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Fisker-: probably, but damned if that isn't cool`
`05:56.35`	`Fisker-`	`indeed cool :P`
`05:57.29`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`5k/sec download from the site, wow.`
`05:57.34`	`Arilaw[BFB]`	`That thing must be getting shredded.`
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`05:58.39`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Arilaw[BFB]: http://grid.13th-floor.org/test/wowace_hammered.png`
`05:58.58`	`Vanish`	`PHEW! Finally got my aguf layout fixed.`
`05:59.11`	`djspark`	`lol, the "Ace2 replacements for these non-ace mods??" post is great`
`05:59.43`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`NightHawkTheSane: yes it's crazy, use it alot though`
`06:00.32`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`like if you wanna throw out a clickable link for something when you got the url data:text/html,<a href="OMGLINKZORS">clickme</a> works just fine :)`
`06:01.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`lol`
`06:02.47`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`use it a bunch for downloading .mov and such when they dont give ya a clickable download link`
`06:03.16`	`Fisker-`	`Does it save space btw?`
`06:03.45`	`Fisker-`	`or is there only the cool-factor in it?`
`06:05.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i dont imagine it's a huge space saver. b64 isn't compression i don't think.`
`06:06.49`	`Fisker-`	`What if i were to put in a 200MB data in it`
`06:07.00`	`Fisker-`	`Wouldn't it have to download 200MB before i could even click the link?`
`06:07.01`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`06:07.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`seems so, yes.`
`06:07.51`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24617 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: fix the spacer for modules with no options`
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`06:10.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`base64 is 6x more dense than base10`
`06:11.06`	`CIA-17`	`03dahn * r24618 10Bidder/Looting/lootitem.lua: Bidder: minor tooltip fix`
`06:11.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`so... 83% compression`
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`06:15.08`	`symb`	`is there an addon for fubar on the svn which allows you to change the uiscale?`
`06:15.16`	`Fisker-`	`Nice`
`06:15.22`	`Fisker-`	`Mozilla just reminded me of why i hate them`
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`06:17.08`	`xlvii`	`symb, you can do it easily doing a command: /set console uiScale <size here>`
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`06:17.25`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24619 10Grouper/GrouperAce.lua:`
`06:17.25`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
`06:17.25`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:17.25`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:17.25`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`06:17.50`	`symb`	`xlvii: thanks, but i�m looking for something with a slider to design my new interface`
`06:17.52`	`Fisker-`	`you can't use the console for anything useful anyways can you?`
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`06:18.18`	`symb`	`xlvii: but i guess i have to write my own addon for that :) thanks anyway`
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`06:21.02`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`that's a new one, WoW crashed cuz it' thinks one of the map files is corrupt`
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`06:23.18`	`symb`	`xlvii: you haven�t got the console command for changing the fontsize of a chatwindow handy or? =)`
`06:23.31`	`Fisker-`	`I suck at Mozilla`
`06:23.40`	`Fisker-`	`Anyone know where to get the nightly builds of Thunderbird 2?`
`06:26.17`	`xlvii`	`symb, i'm not sure.. you can just right click on the tabs however..?`
`06:26.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Fisker-: google?`
`06:26.56`	`Fisker-`	`i'm trying as hard as i can :P`
`06:27.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the top hit for "thunderbird 2" on google gave me a link to thunderbird 2 alpha 1`
`06:27.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and the third hit is a link to beta 1`
`06:27.58`	`symb`	`xlvii: well, you only have 3 options to choose from, but you can scale it even more - clearfont does this, and after i removed the addon the chatwindow was still at that textfont size which i can�t choose in the default chat options - i will figure it out :) thx anyways`
`06:28.15`	`haste`	`I see TB3 in the nightly latest-trunk`
`06:28.25`	`PProvost`	`http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/`
`06:28.36`	`haste`	`no TB2 there tho'`
`06:29.32`	`Fisker-`	`Let me see yours haste :P`
`06:29.54`	`haste`	`http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-trunk/ same as above`
`06:30.12`	`Fisker-`	`ah`
`06:30.21`	`Fisker-`	`i get it now :P`
`06:31.25`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24620 10Sanity2/SanityItemCache.lua: Sanity2: Fix a bug that was causing bank data to not update properly when you moved something out of the bank into your bags.`
`06:31.39`	`haste`	`I'm actually compiling Firefox 3,, as someone mentioned that the CPU issue on some pages had been solved`
`06:32.08`	`CIA-17`	`03dahn * r24621 10Bidder/Bidder.toc: Bidder: TOC touch for 2.0.3`
`06:33.15`	`Antiar1`	`Ooh`
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`06:34.01`	`Fisker-`	`Just heard that the newest daily builds of TB2 had Gmail support`
`06:34.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`er... doesn't any pop client have gmail support? :P`
`06:34.28`	`haste`	`yep`
`06:34.28`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`06:34.34`	`Fisker-`	`But this had like "zomg setup"`
`06:35.29`	`CIA-17`	`03kergoth * r24622 10InFlight/Frame.lua: InFlight: surfacelib bits: kill the update of the texture validate table, as it is a shared table now, and add handling of the Surface_SetGlobal event.`
`06:35.33`	`Fisker-`	`zzzz`
`06:35.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`shrug don't know how much simpler it gets from pop3, though i suppose you could put in a wizard to just take your l/p and auto-fill the details`
`06:35.36`	`Fisker-`	`3000 emails`
`06:36.49`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24623 10Sanity2/SanityConstants.lua: Sanity2: Fixed binding text. Went missing after localization.`
`06:37.32`	`Fisker-`	`But anyways NightHawkTheSane`
`06:37.36`	`Fisker-`	`bleeding edge = win`
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`06:38.08`	`Fisker-`	`especially when it cuts you and have aids because of the blood was infected`
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`06:38.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, fair enough. Though I don't usually care to be -quite- that bleeding edge :)`
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`06:39.47`	`haste`	`Fisker-: yes, nothing beats Gentoo with unmasked packages + laymans`
`06:41.04`	`Fisker-`	`Btw`
`06:41.28`	`Fisker-`	`Doesn't my provider suck when the syntax for logging onto their pop server is user <user> and pass <password>? :P`
`06:42.02`	`pastamancer`	`what? that's standard pop3`
`06:42.15`	`oxman`	`user <user> pass <password>`
`06:42.19`	`oxman`	`incredible no ?`
`06:42.23`	`Fisker-`	`yeah but newer secure pop3 uses apop <a lot of bullshit here>`
`06:42.24`	`Fisker-`	`i believe`
`06:42.46`	`pastamancer`	`surely they support apop too, or perhaps imap with sasl`
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`06:42.56`	`Fisker-`	`nope :P`
`06:43.01`	`Fisker-`	`tried it myself :(`
`06:43.20`	`Fisker-`	`They even claim to have trouble with Outlook getting messages from it`
`06:43.27`	`Fisker-`	`that's why i had to change to thunderbird :P`
`06:43.30`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`sigh how many addons is excessive?`
`06:43.43`	`Fisker-`	`That would be 132 addons`
`06:43.46`	`Fisker-`	`i got 131 myself`
`06:43.53`	`Goeb`	`210`
`06:43.55`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`ah, ok i'm not excessive yet`
`06:44.13`	`Goeb`	`a better question is... what do you set your addon size to`
`06:44.20`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`need to look through addons and replace the non-ace stuff`
`06:44.21`	`sylvanaar`	`i have a smaller number but they do more`
`06:44.23`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`mine is set to 0`
`06:44.26`	`Goeb`	`addon memory`
`06:44.49`	`Fisker-`	`Set it above what your addons use`
`06:44.58`	`Goeb`	`512 :)`
`06:45.02`	`Fisker-`	`Nah`
`06:45.04`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`512 O_o`
`06:45.06`	`Fisker-`	`more like 6MB above`
`06:45.16`	`Fisker-`	`So if your addons use 30MB set it to 36 MB`
`06:45.23`	`Fisker-`	`if for some reason that isn't enough set it to 42MB`
`06:45.23`	`Goeb`	`512 works for me... I get one GC every 2 days :)`
`06:45.24`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`wish mine used 30 :(`
`06:45.24`	`Fisker-`	`and so on`
`06:45.32`	`Fisker-`	`mine is 37MB atm`
`06:45.42`	`sylvanaar`	`dont set it too low or it will gc more often`
`06:45.57`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`and what's with this stupid delay on the login screen now?`
`06:45.59`	`Goeb`	`mine starts at 40, but it climbs indefinitely... til it's full`
`06:46.06`	`Goeb`	`which is how it's supposed to work really`
`06:46.09`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`06:46.16`	`Fisker-`	`you set addon memory to 0 :P`
`06:46.24`	`Thorgard`	`I set mine to -512 and gained 512mb RAM.`
`06:46.26`	`Goeb`	`ovr- it's scanning your pc for things blizzard doesn't like`
`06:46.40`	`Fisker-`	`nice Thorgard :P`
`06:46.48`	`pogotribal`	`mmm, bad Aag problem`
`06:46.50`	`Fisker-`	`I need some more memory then`
`06:46.57`	`pogotribal`	`the castbar is filling up the entire party unitframe`
`06:46.57`	`Fisker-`	`Aag? :P`
`06:46.59`	`pogotribal`	`even when not enabled`
`06:47.09`	`Fisker-`	`åg_UnitFrames`
`06:47.09`	`Fisker-`	`:D`
`06:47.27`	`Goeb`	`woah, can't say I've seen that symbol before`
`06:47.54`	`Fisker-`	`if it's gibberish your client doesn't support UTF-8`
`06:47.55`	`Goeb`	`it's like... egyptian or something... one symbol represents the entire life story of a boy-king`
`06:48.08`	`bigzero`	`lol`
`06:48.10`	`Fisker-`	`more like danish`
`06:48.15`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`it's a holy a`
`06:48.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`what... å?`
`06:48.18`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`06:48.20`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`see the halo`
`06:48.29`	`Goeb`	`oh yeah, I see the halo too`
`06:48.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it's option-a, at least for me :)`
`06:49.05`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`do not talk bad about The Holy A or it will smite thee`
`06:49.18`	`bigzero`	`have you guys noticed any changes in blizzards item link string?? My mod seems to not recognize it anymore`
`06:49.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well, no OvrLrd-Q, it'll call it's big brother, Å`
`06:49.37`	`Thorgard`	`It's �g_UnitFrames! It'll be ownage_UnitFrames in Swedish.`
`06:49.38`	`sylvanaar`	`bigzero: jewelcrafting`
`06:49.58`	`bigzero`	`sylvanaar, ah, right`
`06:50.07`	`bigzero`	`sylvanaar, extra 0's?`
`06:50.14`	`sylvanaar`	`dunno`
`06:50.26`	`bigzero`	`was this implemented in this patch or 2.0?`
`06:50.32`	`bigzero`	`it worked pre 2.0.3`
`06:50.36`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`well they moved from the 3 pair to the 6 pair didn't they`
`06:51.04`	`bigzero`	`gona get some link strings and look it up`
`06:51.20`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`cept that was 2.0.x patch when they did that, dont think they made another change`
`06:51.31`	`bigzero`	`whatever it is, string.gmatch(msg,"\|c%x+\|Hitem:[%d:]*\|h%[.-%]\|h\|r") seems to not match it anymore`
`06:52.05`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`O_o`
`06:52.06`	`nymbia`	`bigzero: there can be a dash in there too, one of em can be negative`
`06:52.30`	`bigzero`	`te numbers?`
`06:52.52`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`would it hurt them to use PCRE ;)`
`06:52.56`	`bigzero`	`that's new then... I don't remember reading on wowwiki about negative #`
`06:53.26`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Since patch 2.0.3, suffixIDs and uniqueID's can be negative.`
`06:53.31`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`'corrding to wowwiki :)`
`06:53.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`OvrLrd-Q: apparently it does. :P`
`06:54.16`	`Fisker-`	`Lets try to summon Lo'Grosh`
`06:54.26`	`Fisker-`	`channel your spiritual energy now!`
`06:54.52`	`nymbia`	`it was since 2.0.1. it's the suffix field, and only very few items have it so it's a problem that doesnt crop up too often`
`06:56.21`	`Antiar1`	`Under what circumstances would GetCurrentBindingSet() return 6? o.0`
`06:57.23`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24624 10Sanity2/Sanity.lua: Sanity2: Added code to set "tag item" to CTRL-T if CTRL-T isn't taken and the tag item command isn't already bound.`
`06:57.38`	`Thorgard`	`"<OvrLrd-Q> would it hurt them to use PCRE ;)" Yes. ;P It'd be a 4000line PCRE matcher vs. the current 400lines Lua pattern matcher.`
`06:57.51`	`testify`	`Is there any ace addon that's similar to Enchantrix?`
`06:57.58`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`PCRE is so much more readable :P`
`06:58.02`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`*are`
`06:58.11`	`bigzero`	`OvrLrd-Q, good thing they put that minor change in the notes....I swear I read through the whole shabang and there was no mention of this`
`06:58.11`	`Antiar1`	`It's also slower, albeit more powerful.`
`06:58.13`	`Thorgard`	`OvrLrd-Q, lol`
`06:58.42`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`i mean %-?%d+ to match a positive or negative number?`
`06:58.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well, i hesitate to say PCREs are inherently more readable than lua expressions. it's just a matter of what you're used to.`
`06:59.24`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Bah! Do not blaspheme of all that is regular!`
`06:59.33`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r24625 10MCP-QQ/MCP/MCP.toc: MCP - taking another look in 20003`
`06:59.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`don't get me wrong, i love PCREs :)`
`07:00.20`	`Jokie`	`Is Postal a ready replacement for gmail? I see it's from some author grennan`
`07:00.29`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`dang nabbit`
`07:00.33`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`all my icons are black boxes again`
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`07:01.17`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`heheh, installed jumpcounter, what's the numerical limit for lua? is there one?`
`07:01.38`	`Thorgard`	`sylvanaar, what's the proper way to submit a new Prat module?`
`07:01.49`	`bigzero`	`yeah, i wouldn't say the suffixID being negative is uncommon`
`07:02.29`	`bigzero`	`"\|cffffffff\|Hitem:8952:0:0:0:0:0:0:-1863420532\|h[Roasted Quail]\|h\|r", -- [1]`
`07:02.29`	`bigzero`	`"\|cffffffff\|Hitem:8950:0:0:0:0:0:0:-2131855988\|h[Homemade Cherry Pie]\|h\|r"`
`07:02.29`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`huh, that's strange`
`07:02.30`	`bigzero`	`those are some common items if you ask me`
`07:03.16`	`bigzero`	`fortunately it's an easy fix`
`07:04.46`	`Enalung_`	`Alright, I got an error '<eof>' expected near 'end'. I know that eof is end of file and the line number does correspond to the end of the file, so where's the problem here?`
`07:04.50`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`anybody know what causes the black boxes for items?`
`07:05.01`	`Fisker-`	`oh snap`
`07:05.04`	`Fisker-`	`i have millions of emails :D`
`07:05.08`	`symb`	`someone here familiar with eePanels?`
`07:05.12`	`Fisker-`	`it just keeps on recieving and recieving :O`
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`07:05.21`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Enalung_: not knowing anything about Lua I'm guessing you might have an extra closing statement thingamajigger`
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`07:05.34`	`Adirelle`	`morning`
`07:05.45`	`symb`	`hi`
`07:05.45`	`nymbia`	`Enalung_: there's a mismatch of statements opens and closes, you have a missing 'end' somewhere`
`07:05.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Enalung_: yeah, probably an extra "end" somewhere`
`07:05.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`or missing`
`07:05.54`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`yea, what those two said`
`07:06.05`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`does lua run in parrot?`
`07:06.19`	`Enalung_`	`Alright it's a relatively short file, shouldn't be too hard to find.`
`07:06.41`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`ah sweet, it does`
`07:06.53`	`Adirelle`	`is there something like a profiling lib in Ace ?`
`07:07.39`	`Adirelle`	`I think this means "no" :)`
`07:07.51`	`nymbia`	`profiling?`
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`07:08.18`	`godsyn`	help : <event>ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'Ace2' tried to call the protected function 'MultiBarBottomLeftButton4:Show()'.\n<in C code>: in function `Show'\nInterface\\FrameXML\\ActionButton.lua:229: in function `ActionButton_ShowGrid':\nInterface\\FrameXML\\ActionButton.lua:305: in function `ActionButton_OnEvent':\n<string>:\"MultiBarBottomLeftButton4:OnEvent\":2: in function <[string \"MultiBarBottomLeftButton4:OnEvent\"]:1>\n<in C code>
`07:08.37`	`oxman`	`xD`
`07:08.42`	`Tenebra`	`muahahahahaha.`
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`07:09.12`	`Tenebra`	`http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info6722-BlizzardBugs.html`
`07:09.24`	`Dhraga`	`morning`
`07:09.30`	`Adirelle`	`nymbia : basically, counting how many time a method/funciton is being called`
`07:09.54`	`oxman`	`Someone plat at Vanguard ?`
`07:09.57`	`Adirelle`	`nymbia: more precisely, how many time a bit of code is executed in a given time slice`
`07:10.12`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Tekkub: is that the bug whehere you like gotta type the last letter of their name twice?`
`07:10.24`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`oops`
`07:10.27`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`i mean Tenebra stupid tab completion`
`07:10.32`	`Adirelle`	`nymbia: and for my need, i would like to know how many times some methods are called during event handling`
`07:10.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`probably`
`07:10.33`	`nymbia`	`Adirelle: tekSupport handles clocking onevent and onupdate handlers, but any more specific and you'll need to write it in yourself.`
`07:10.47`	`Tenebra`	`OvrLrd-Q: yeah. I'm amused by the adodn.`
`07:10.50`	`Adirelle`	`nymbia : oki`
`07:10.53`	`Fisker-`	`Someone should update the "FixMe" addon to 2.0.3 and start fixing the blizzard bugs like the addon there`
`07:10.57`	`Tenebra`	`s/adodn/addon/`
`07:11.01`	`Enalung_`	`bleh it's an 18 line file right now and I can't find it rofl. I guess I still have a lot to learn about lua.`
`07:11.04`	`Tenebra`	`both that it was released . . .`
`07:11.15`	`Tenebra`	`and by how they did it. Stupidly simply brilliant, wish I'd thought of it.`
`07:11.30`	`Adirelle`	`Fisker-: what's that addon ?`
`07:11.33`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`put it on a pastebin Enalung_`
`07:11.33`	`bigzero`	`~seen wmrojer`
`07:11.52`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'wmrojer', bigzero`
`07:11.54`	`Fisker-`	`Adirelle and older addon for 1.12 that fixed some problems caused by WoW`
`07:11.56`	`nuOHEP`	`http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/65456674.htm?posts=1 the reason of problems with AceComm?`
`07:12.03`	`Enalung_`	`Hmm how do I do that? Used IRC at most 10 times in my life so far.<`
`07:12.06`	`Tenebra`	`I don't remember what else FixMe did other than put chat highlight to the first tab after load - that was all I used it for (and Prat does that now)`
`07:12.22`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`http://pastebin.ca/`
`07:12.30`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`take your code, paste it in the box, it'll give ya an url for it`
`07:12.32`	`nymbia`	`nuOHEP: yes.`
`07:12.36`	`Adirelle`	`Fisker- : i'm not sure bugs introduced by blizzard in 2.0.3 could be fixed in addon because of tainting`
`07:12.40`	`Adirelle`	`and protected functions`
`07:12.52`	`Tenebra`	`hrm.`
`07:12.56`	`Tenebra`	`Why am I on this nick?`
`07:13.13`	`Adirelle`	`don't even speaking of C bugs...`
`07:13.18`	`bigzero`	`nymbia, AceComm wasn't using SendAddonMessage()?`
`07:13.21`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v ZealotOnAStick] by ChanServ`
`07:13.24`	`CIA-17`	`03morgalm * r24626 10MorgDKP/ (7 files):`
`07:13.24`	`CIA-17`	`MorgDKP:`
`07:13.24`	`CIA-17`	`- updated .pl file for special chars`
`07:13.24`	`CIA-17`	`- updated scan function for nil error`
`07:13.24`	`CIA-17`	`- more translations`
`07:13.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ZealotOnAStick: that is pretty clever`
`07:14.42`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`NightHawkTheSane: yeah, like I said, I should have thought of it myself. Hell, Voyeur is barely more than the same idea.`
`07:15.01`	`symb`	`could someone tell me how to place a texture (.tga) in eePanels? i copied to the eepanels folder but can�t get it to show`
`07:15.22`	`Adirelle`	`er... just looked at my SVs`
`07:15.24`	`Enalung_`	`http://pastebin.ca/312832`
`07:15.31`	`Adirelle`	`what the new format that would optimize loading ? oO`
`07:15.40`	`Adirelle`	`can't see any change`
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`07:16.11`	`Fisker-`	`Perhaps you have to wipe your SV's first? :(`
`07:16.30`	`Nargiddley`	`Enalung_, needs function right at the start`
`07:16.40`	`Nargiddley`	`function RadialMenu:...`
`07:17.31`	`Enalung_`	`SecYou probably mean this line right&`
`07:17.32`	`Enalung_`	`RadialMenu = AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new("AceEvent-2.0", "AceConsole-2.0", "AceDB-2.0")`
`07:17.45`	`Nargiddley`	`no, very start`
`07:18.27`	`Enalung_`	`Ah, stupid mistake!`
`07:18.27`	`Nargiddley`	`function RadialMenu:InitializeChatCommands ()`
`07:19.17`	`Thorgard`	`And you end it with end. ;P`
`07:19.53`	`Enalung_`	`I guess I'm getting tired if I'm making that kind of mistake. I do need to go to bed.`
`07:20.44`	`Enalung_`	`Made some progress, without the wiki it's hard but I still have many ace2 addons in my folder and I pulled out the google cache for a few pages.`
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`07:21.53`	`Enalung_`	`Yep, now it's working as it should. The next file isn't happy though but that's a detail. Just have to get used to the syntax.`
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`07:23.37`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: added the "optimize space" option, but I think it could be improved`
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`07:26.59`	`Andune`	`well I was a huge Tbag fan, and was quite unhappy that it was very busted after this latest patch, despite recent updates. But it gave me a chance to try Baggins, and, I'm impressed!`
`07:27.52`	`Enalung_`	`Tbag is one addon I've tried and dumped right away`
`07:28.19`	`Enalung_`	`It created a lot of lag for some reason`
`07:28.32`	`Andune`	`I did the same when I first tried it. But then I went through every othre bag mod I could find - AllInOne, BagNon, vBagNon, OneBag.`
`07:28.56`	`Andune`	`After trying them all, I found myself wishing for some combination of features in all of them. Then I realized what I was looking for was what Tbag offered. So I tried it again and loved it.`
`07:29.16`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`grrr, anybody getting a problem with icons showing up as black boxes and/or invisible?`
`07:29.28`	`Enalung_`	`I resorted to using the default bag UI`
`07:29.30`	`Andune`	`It did have a fairly heavy footprint due to the way it sorted things. But some of my mods do, and I use 'em anyway just 'cuz I can't live without 'em.`
`07:29.33`	`Enalung_`	`And sort my bags myself`
`07:29.43`	`Andune`	`Enalung_: uuuugggh. I could never go back :P`
`07:29.50`	`Enalung_`	`It's a bit more work but I realised it had a lot of advantages`
`07:29.58`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`using one* meself`
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`07:30.04`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`does all I need of it`
`07:30.06`	`Enalung_`	`Well I used engbag for a while. Tbag is based directly on it`
`07:30.06`	`Andune`	`I used to do the same and think these all-in-one bags were quite silly. Now I'm addicted :)`
`07:30.32`	`Daemona`	`ContainerIDToInventoryID(): invalid container ID`
`07:30.33`	`Enalung_`	`One of the things I need to be able to do is to switch an herb bag for a normal bag and vice versa`
`07:30.34`	`Andune`	`Enalung_: yep. never tried the original tho, but I assume TBag is just a pretty close ripoff. love the functionality`
`07:30.34`	`Daemona`	`wtf?`
`07:30.39`	`Enalung_`	`Tbag dosen't quite do that.`
`07:30.49`	`Enalung_`	`Tbag is a ripoff with more features`
`07:31.13`	`Andune`	`ah. I don't switch around my bags too much. So dunno how Tbag handles it. Well at the moment it wouldn't at all, it's very busted :P`
`07:31.13`	`Enalung_`	`A lot more features for that matter but with lag too`
`07:31.23`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24627 10Sanity2/ (Sanity.xml SanityDisplay.lua): Sanity2: Changed the icon.`
`07:31.23`	`nee-lap`	`Andune: How about Baggins :)`
`07:31.30`	`Andune`	`But Baggins may well have just replaced it :)`
`07:31.36`	`nee-lap`	`:)`
`07:31.46`	`Nargiddley`	`Thats what i like to hear :D`
`07:31.58`	`Enalung_`	`The one thing my UI is still lacking is a way to remove even more spells from my bars lol`
`07:32.05`	`Enalung_`	`Hense my current modding`
`07:32.08`	`Fisker-`	`nice`
`07:32.14`	`Fisker-`	`ended up with like 9000 emails on my gmail`
`07:32.24`	`Enalung_`	`gezzz`
`07:32.29`	`Andune`	`I think I kinda lika Tbag's "one window" approach with things sorted, but that may be just 'cuz I'm familiar with it now. I'll keep plugging away with Baggins and see how it grows on me.`
`07:32.33`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Antiar1: does Sanity not like the change to the SVs with this patch?`
`07:32.46`	`Antiar1`	`ZealotOnAStick: Explain?`
`07:32.48`	`Enalung_`	`What does bagin does btw?`
`07:32.54`	`Nargiddley`	`Andune, Baggins can be setup as one bag`
`07:33.09`	`Andune`	`Baggins auto-sorts your stuff into different windows based on their function - similar to how Tbag does.`
`07:33.11`	`Antiar1`	`If you're talking about the "BagItems" index error, try nuking your DB (Options, advanced, reset DB)`
`07:33.29`	`Antiar1`	`I changed the backend significantly. I thought I got the migration code over decently, but I'm not entirely convinced it's working. :)`
`07:33.35`	`Nargiddley`	`not as good at getting alot of categories into one bag though`
`07:34.05`	`Andune`	`Nargiddley: is it a one-button checkbox to switch back and forth, or is it manual configuration of windows and categories into one mega-window?`
`07:34.07`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`uuuuurg, stupid ui`
`07:34.12`	`sylvanaar`	`I love this enhancement`
`07:34.19`	`Nargiddley`	`Load Preset -> All in one`
`07:34.25`	`nee-lap`	`I noticed one change about Baggins I do not like - For some reason the bag-contents no longer update on the fly, at least regarding stacks of items. When I turn in, say, Frostwolf Hides in Alterac Valley, I have to close and re-open Baggins to see the updated stack-size.`
`07:34.31`	`Nargiddley`	`it is a complete reconfig, but has presets for each`
`07:34.48`	`Andune`	`oh. but it's not sorted into sections anymore?`
`07:34.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`A bunch of "Sanity2-2.1\\SanityItemCache.lua bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got number) errors.`
`07:35.01`	`Nargiddley`	`not by default`
`07:35.08`	`Antiar1`	`Hm.`
`07:35.15`	`Antiar1`	`I'll nearly guarantee it's due to my changes.`
`07:35.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and some BagInfo ones.`
`07:35.24`	`Nargiddley`	`nee-lap, i'll have a look into that`
`07:35.27`	`Antiar1`	`A DB reset should cure all those ills, though that's an ugly way to do it.`
`07:35.31`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ok. sigh`
`07:35.44`	`Nargiddley`	`might have been a bit too agressive optomising updates :/`
`07:35.46`	`Antiar1`	`I'll find an old SV and see if I can get some migrate code actually working`
`07:35.59`	`nee-lap`	`Nargiddley: oki, it's not horribly important, but I did like having my bags open to see how many clicks I had to go to give all my Hides/Crystals/S`
`07:36.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`can give you one from yesterday.`
`07:36.06`	`Antiar1`	`That'd rock`
`07:36.06`	`nee-lap`	`Scraps away`
`07:36.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`before updating.`
`07:36.08`	`Antiar1`	`That said, at least Sanity isn't hard to rebuild your DB for :)`
`07:36.18`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ok, hold on, lemme find. DCC or pastey?`
`07:36.20`	`Antiar1`	`And the new updates -drastically- improve performance.`
`07:36.23`	`Antiar1`	`Pastey please`
`07:36.25`	`nee-lap`	`It has been like this for a few days though`
`07:36.28`	`sylvanaar`	`i guess CIA skipped me`
`07:36.49`	`Enalung_`	`Got a screenshot of bagins anywhere?`
`07:37.06`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ok, this will take a minute to get up to pastey, it's 147k`
`07:37.10`	`Nargiddley`	`http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3760/bagginsqp7.jpg slightly outdated tho`
`07:37.21`	`Enalung_`	`Couldn't find the mod on curse and wowinterface and I like to look at what mods look like.`
`07:37.24`	`Antiar1`	`Heh, ok, no prob`
`07:37.30`	`Antiar1`	`email to cheald at gmail will work as well`
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`07:37.43`	`Enalung_`	`That's not bad at all`
`07:37.46`	`Nargiddley`	`havent released Baggins properly yet`
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`07:38.22`	`Andune`	`nargiddley: you can't remove a category from a section once you've added it. that would be nice right-click functionality..`
`07:38.36`	`Nargiddley`	`Andune, ctrl click`
`07:38.43`	`Enalung_`	`I'm gessing they haven't had time to put that in`
`07:38.53`	`Andune`	`mmm. reading green text at the bottom helps, eh? :)`
`07:38.56`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Antiar1: ace.pastey.net/4882`
`07:39.27`	`Antiar1`	`Thanks!`
`07:40.06`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`grr so how do I find toadkiller to prod him with a stick to fix my icons >:D`
`07:40.11`	`Enalung_`	`Gezz, just saw the blue frame at the bottom of the screenshot, I just don't know how peoples can bear to lose so much of their screen`
`07:40.11`	`sylvanaar`	`Thorgard: Yeah, im going to make a folder or something for people to make thier own modules`
`07:40.28`	`Thorgard`	`sylvanaar, cool, cool.`
`07:40.33`	`sylvanaar`	`ok - is it possible to set commit permissions on the TOC only`
`07:40.46`	`Enalung_`	`Alright anyways, sleep is long overdue for me.`
`07:40.53`	`Enalung_`	`Night`
`07:41.02`	`Andune`	`Nargiddley: hmm, it seems each section just gets added vertically beneath the previous one. I'll toy around with it, but it seems like it might get long real fast with no control over the layout..`
`07:41.21`	`Nargiddley`	`Andune, yeah thats the problem with a one bag layout`
`07:41.25`	`Andune`	`Nargiddley: but I'll go find the Wiki and read up on it rather than pester you with n00b questions :)`
`07:41.33`	`Fisker-`	`hmm Nargiddley what addon is used to have that green glow around uncommon items?`
`07:41.34`	`sylvanaar`	`who knows about svn's security model`
`07:41.37`	`Fisker-`	`Or is it just jpg compression?`
`07:41.38`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle was working on that`
`07:41.47`	`Andune`	`Nargiddley: though your extreme responsiveness dissuades such action on my part... ;)`
`07:41.59`	`nee-lap`	`Oh, and another something I wonder about - Is there any way I can disable the alt-click menu, as it interferes with alt-click trading/attaching items to mail, etc`
`07:42.00`	`andremar`	`sylvanaar: svn has no security model?`
`07:42.18`	`sylvanaar`	`andremar: done via script?`
`07:42.27`	`Nargiddley`	`Fisker- its an option in baggins, should be on by default`
`07:42.35`	`andremar`	`sylvanaar: done with the transport layer (which for wowace for instance I believe is http)`
`07:42.42`	`Adirelle`	`Andune: checks last revision`
`07:42.47`	`Fisker-`	`ah damnit Nargiddley :(`
`07:42.50`	`Adirelle`	`s/cks/ck/`
`07:42.53`	`Fisker-`	`I dislike baggins`
`07:42.56`	`andremar`	`sylvanaar: and for ssh-svn:// its up to ssh to limit access (by user or group for instance)`
`07:43.01`	`PProvost`	`Can someone tell me what the "Focus" unit frame is in aguf?`
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`07:43.16`	`Silviu--`	`~seen CIA-17`
`07:43.37`	`purl`	`cia-17 is currently on #wowace. Has said a total of 1233 messages. Is idling for 12m 14s, last said: '03antiarc * r24627 10Sanity2/ (Sanity.xml SanityDisplay.lua): Sanity2: Changed the icon.'.`
`07:43.38`	`sylvanaar`	`PProvost: the focus unit`
`07:43.38`	`Thorgard`	`PProvost, target someone, type /focus`
`07:43.38`	`sylvanaar`	`PProvost: target somethign ^^`
`07:43.38`	`Adirelle`	`Andune: and enable "Optimize Section Layout"`
`07:43.53`	`Adirelle`	`Andune: it should try to put several sections on a single line whenever possible`
`07:44.17`	`Wee`	`Hate to interrupt, but can someone link me to Ace2 updater, please?`
`07:44.29`	`Andune`	`woo, cool! Guess I should have saved the one-bag profile I was working on before I switched back to default.. lol`
`07:44.32`	`PProvost`	`Interesting. So I can have one unit targeted and another focused?`
`07:44.43`	`nee-lap`	`yup`
`07:45.18`	`Fisker-`	`Isn't it something about that if you lose BoE items that are currently soulbound that if you request them back they're still BoE?`
`07:45.22`	`sylvanaar`	`andremar: any idea who is in charge of that?`
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`07:45.48`	`Fisker-`	`Wee http://sourceforge.net/projects/wowaceupdater`
`07:45.53`	`sylvanaar`	`PProvost: yeah it only useful for things which you have no unit relationship to`
`07:46.04`	`Fisker-`	`btw PProvost how's 2.0 coming along? :O`
`07:46.06`	`sylvanaar`	`PProvost: thats what it does`
`07:46.22`	`Wee`	`Thanks a bunch, Fisker. Can't get my FuBar running.`
`07:47.22`	`Antiar1`	`Ok...this is odd.`
`07:47.31`	`Antiar1`	`I have data in a SV.`
`07:47.33`	`Antiar1`	`I reload.`
`07:47.33`	`Andune`	`nargiddley: is there any fubar-click shortcut for reseting the new items flag so I don't have to rt-click and navigate the menu everytime?`
`07:47.38`	`Antiar1`	`Data disappears...partially.`
`07:47.40`	`PProvost`	`Fisker-, I actually have a working prototype that pulls from wowace, wowi, and svn repositories. :)`
`07:47.49`	`PProvost`	`Not ready for public consumption yet though.`
`07:47.51`	`PProvost`	`Command line only`
`07:47.54`	`Nargiddley`	`Andune, nope`
`07:48.19`	`Fisker-`	`Who needs gui anyways? :P`
`07:48.25`	`Fisker-`	`My best programs are made in console`
`07:48.26`	`Andune`	`nargiddley: what's the best way to make a feature request? :) shift+click or something would be great :)`
`07:48.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`psh. who needs complex apps anyway? all my ace updates are done via a nice and tidy php script :P`
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`07:48.48`	`Nargiddley`	`Andune, consider it requested`
`07:48.49`	`PProvost`	`sylvanaar, you are right. I should. Now that I have a better feel for how it will come together, I will soon. I just wanna get the modules right so the engine is separate from the gui and the console program.`
`07:49.01`	`Andune`	`nargiddley: thanks :)`
`07:49.43`	`Elkano`	`Did I ever tell you that I hate WEP? :/`
`07:50.19`	`kergoth`	`aguf needs options for the combo point display`
`07:50.20`	`PProvost`	`NightHawkTheSane, apparently some people do. WAU has about 1500 downloads per day. 3000 yesterday.`
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`07:50.29`	`PProvost`	`:D`
`07:50.33`	`nee-lap`	`kergoth: agreed. It had it, but lost it for some reason.`
`07:50.55`	`sylvanaar`	`kergoth: buddy, are you the go2 guy for setting up commit security?`
`07:51.12`	`Thorgard`	`aguf also needs the combo points to show even if the castbar isn't enabled. ;P`
`07:51.17`	`kergoth`	`locate it on the player frame rather than target (more so it obeys the player scale than anything else) or some sort of independent scale option for the combo point blips, and a style option for showing a number vs a graphic, and for changing the texture of the combo point blip graphic too`
`07:51.37`	`kergoth`	`sylvanaar, fraid not, itll probably be kael or clad`
`07:51.47`	`kergoth`	`i dont have local access to the repository (though i'd like to fix that)`
`07:52.32`	`Fisker-`	`kergoth i would care if i wasn't rolling paladin this tuesday :D`
`07:52.33`	`Wee`	`Fisker, that version of WoW Ace Updater appears to be bad.`
`07:52.43`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`07:52.44`	`Fisker-`	`already told him to fix it though`
`07:52.45`	`PProvost`	`Do we have an addon that simply lets me move/reposition the buff frame in the top right?`
`07:52.51`	`Fisker-`	`Shouldn't be Wee it's the newest one :P`
`07:53.00`	`Fisker-`	`try asking PProvost for help`
`07:53.04`	`kergoth`	`PProvost, buffalo is like that, lets you choose # of rows and columns and scale and stuff too`
`07:53.12`	`kergoth`	`might be more than you need shrug`
`07:53.21`	`Wee`	`Hmn... I keep getting this 'Failed to Initialize -- Click OK to terminate'.`
`07:53.37`	`Fisker-`	`Got .net 2.0 runtime libraries installed?`
`07:53.53`	`kergoth`	`damnit, still 226 addons in my set`
`07:53.53`	`Thorgard`	`The plot thickens.`
`07:53.58`	`kergoth`	`thought i had it under 2209`
`07:54.00`	`kergoth`	`s/9$//`
`07:54.06`	`Wee`	`I do have .NET`
`07:54.22`	`Fisker-`	`Does it provide you with an error code?`
`07:54.58`	`Wee`	`just mem address: 0xc0000135`
`07:55.21`	`PProvost`	`Thanks kergoth`
`07:55.38`	`Fisker-`	`i'm pretty sure that's because of the missing runtime libraries`
`07:55.49`	`kergoth`	`hmm, should poke into the aguf combo point bits, or just do a seperate addon for it.. i dropped the hud and ocb from my addon set in favor of the latest aguf, but now my combo point visiblity sucks ass`
`07:55.50`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`07:56.00`	`Wee`	`I wonder if I horked my .NET libs.`
`07:56.01`	`Fisker-`	`Remember there's both .Net 1.0 and .Net 2.0`
`07:56.04`	`Fisker-`	`i think you need 2.0`
`07:56.06`	`Wee`	`gak.`
`07:56.09`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, feex eet.`
`07:56.23`	`godsyn`	`any clue when the wowace forums will be up? i would like to search for info before blerting out my stupid questions..`
`07:56.37`	`Thorgard`	`godsyn, what's your stupid question?`
`07:57.01`	`godsyn`	`x addon is causeing taint in MultiBarRight.. fix?`
`07:57.18`	`godsyn`	`(jostle)`
`07:57.32`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`kinda liked the ct mod buff thing, cept ct mod causes swatter spam :(`
`07:57.39`	`Thorgard`	`gasp Not Pet Actionbar taint? ;P`
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`07:57.55`	`Andune`	`nargiddley: is there a default category that magically represents "any item not currently shown on-screen by another section/category" ?`
`07:58.01`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24629 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: Baggins: Shift-clicking the fubar plugin will reset new items`
`07:58.01`	`Nargiddley`	`Other`
`07:58.07`	`Elkano`	`OvrLrd-Q, did you try EBB?`
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`07:58.12`	`Fisker-`	`Is there something i can use to stroke my epeen with if i donate to wowace?`
`07:58.13`	`Fisker-`	`:D`
`07:58.13`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`EBB?`
`07:58.18`	`Elkano`	`ElkBuffBar`
`07:58.29`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`ah`
`07:58.36`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`using bartender now actually`
`07:58.36`	`Andune`	`OK, have that one checked, wasn't sure if that was it's purpose or it was simply a categorization of things that didn't fit in the others`
`07:58.47`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`still got ctcore though :/`
`07:59.37`	`Andune`	`ovrlrd-q: how do you like bartender? I tried it the other night when Bongos went apeshit. I really missed Bongos auto-alignment features when setting up my bars, tho..`
`07:59.55`	`godsyn`	`no answer?`
`08:00.01`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`bartender is working pretty good`
`08:00.08`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24630 10Sanity2/ (SanityDisplay.lua SanityItemCache.lua):`
`08:00.08`	`CIA-17`	`Sanity2:`
`08:00.08`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed a bug that caused the bank slot usage to not show up.`
`08:00.08`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed a bug that caused Sanity to optimize stored bank data right out of the SV. We probably don't want it to be THAT optimized. cough`
`08:00.14`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`only problem had was with 'stances'`
`08:00.31`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`I had the action bar slots bound with the Blizz Action Bar settings`
`08:00.37`	`Andune`	`ovrlrd-q: heh, judging from the forum comments for actionbar mods, it's a common problem ;)`
`08:01.05`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`I guess when I enter combat and destealth it doesn't update the hotkeys :(`
`08:01.16`	`Thorgard`	`godsyn, it's an epidemic.`
`08:01.21`	`Thorgard`	`~PAB`
`08:01.30`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, pab is important to chat mods, or http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=62188847&sid=1&pageNo=1, or the Pet Action Bar`
`08:01.30`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Andune: easy fix though`
`08:01.34`	`Andune`	`nargiddley: well kudos for a kick-ass mod. I love it!`
`08:02.02`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`instead of using blizzard Action Slot 1,2,3,4 etc, just use the Bartender Bar $foo Slot 1,2,3,etc and it works just fine`
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`08:02.41`	`Andune`	`configuration is a helluva lot easier than TBag ever was. I didn't even TRY with TBag (but fortunately the defaults worked good enough for me). Much prefer the option to set things up the way I like tho. Very nice :)`
`08:03.18`	`Andune`	`ovrlrd-q: cool. so you just re-bind the keys is what you're saying?`
`08:03.27`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`kinda :)`
`08:03.49`	`godsyn`	`Thorgard : I realize that.. am i going to ahve to remove jostle and all addons that use it to avoid said issue?`
`08:03.54`	`godsyn`	`*have`
`08:04.15`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`in the key bindings options just find whatever bartender bar it is and bind 1 to 1 and so on instead of with the blizz settings, so yea lol :)`
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`08:04.19`	`Andune`	`well glad to hear it's working good. If Bongos ever goes belly-up, I'll probably look at it again. As it is, I thought bongos was far easier to get everything positioned and setup the way I like.`
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`08:05.32`	`Andune`	`ovrlrd-q: ah yeah. sounds like what I was reading. Ya gotta do the same with bongos.`
`08:05.32`	`\|Kev\|`	`OvrLrd-Q: ah, that works?`
`08:05.36`	`\|Kev\|`	`that'd be great`
`08:05.40`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`\|Kev\| working for me :)`
`08:05.59`	`Wee`	`Reinstalling it fixed it, Fisker. Thanks.`
`08:06.00`	`\|Kev\|`	`it's terrible shifting out of bear for an emergency heal and getting 'you must be furry to use this skill'`
`08:06.09`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`heh, yea`
`08:06.20`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`it was painfull with my rogue`
`08:06.27`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`"You must be stealthed!"`
`08:06.35`	`Thorgard`	`godsyn, I think so.. until the weird tainting issues are fixed by Blizzard.`
`08:06.59`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`I dont know how many vanishes I wasted till I figured it out`
`08:07.06`	`todd`	`anyone have any screenshots of the new ktm ui?`
`08:07.16`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`oh there's a new ktm?`
`08:07.18`	`Dekuna`	`Kaelten: ping`
`08:07.20`	`todd`	`the beta`
`08:08.52`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`hurm can only find 18.11`
`08:08.57`	`Fisker-`	`Anyone know some nice paladin addons?`
`08:09.06`	`Andune`	`nargiddley: ahaha That 'other' category rocks. You really thought of everything with this mod. You got a new fanboi here!`
`08:09.08`	`Fisker-`	`Mainly for helping with seals/judgements and blessings`
`08:09.14`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24631 10Sanity2/SanityConstants.lua: Sanity2: Added INVTYPE_WEAPONOFFHAND localization.`
`08:09.17`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Fisker-: I loved panza, but that got nerfed with 2.0`
`08:09.28`	`Andune`	`fisker: pallypower is the way to go.`
`08:09.31`	`Fisker-`	`what did that do?`
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`08:09.37`	`Fisker-`	`Andune that's only for raids i believe :P`
`08:09.40`	`Deviad`	`Hello`
`08:09.47`	`Deviad`	`Is there something to substitute icehud which does not work anymore?`
`08:10.08`	`godsyn`	`Fisker- : it also works in parties.`
`08:10.12`	`Andune`	`fisker: mm perhaps, I've only been raiding with my paly recently. no idea if it works in parties. Don't really need such a mod when you're solo ;)`
`08:10.17`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`todd: so gui changed after 18.11?`
`08:10.31`	`Fisker-`	`Well it's only for soloing :P`
`08:10.38`	`Fisker-`	`I need to learn2paly`
`08:10.43`	`Fisker-`	`if you know what i mean :P`
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`08:10.52`	`Fisker-`	`addons are learning me to paly`
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`08:11.14`	`Deviad`	`Fisker-, are teaching you*`
`08:11.18`	`Deviad`	`^^`
`08:11.29`	`Andune`	`fisker: surely you're joking. ;) But if you're not, SmartBuff is what I use to make sure I don't forget any auras/blessings on myself.`
`08:11.56`	`Andune`	`fisker: works like autobuff did after 1.6 (?) where it will autobuff on mouse wheel`
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`08:12.19`	`Deviad`	`Did anyone notice that IceHUD does not work anymore?`
`08:12.21`	`Fisker-`	`wow`
`08:12.24`	`Fisker-`	`sanity is pretty cool`
`08:12.27`	`Andune`	`fisker: but I get tired of spinning my mouse wheel around so I've bound it to one of my G15 keys. It has a nice notice on the screen if one of your buffs expire and needs to be re-done.`
`08:12.32`	`Antiar1`	`grin`
`08:12.39`	`Antiar1`	`Glad you like it!`
`08:12.49`	`Rashomon`	`what's this whole "tainting" business about? Ace2 says my petbar has become tainted when my Water Elemental was removed.`
`08:12.59`	`Fisker-`	`Well not as much to autobuff just to easily remind me that i just lost it :P`
`08:13.12`	`testify`	`Is there any ace addon that helps you with your enchanting?`
`08:13.18`	`Laricwork`	`Antiar1 the sanity that was up like 12 h ago didnt work at all.. but it might be that you have fixed it in the meantime?`
`08:13.32`	`todd`	`has anyone tried that addon called School?`
`08:13.33`	`Andune`	`Fisker: yep, smartbuff is the mod for you.`
`08:13.45`	`todd`	`just wondering if it integrates into the tradeskill window`
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`08:13.48`	`todd`	`or makes its own`
`08:13.53`	`Tenrai`	`testify, something that chants chant-like noises in the background?`
`08:13.57`	`Antiar1`	`Laricwork: I changed the backend and my migration code apparently didn't work. Do a DB reset (Advanced Options, Reset DB) or a /script SanityItemCache:ResetDB() to fix it in the meantime`
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`08:14.05`	`Antiar1`	`I'm working on fixing the migration code so that it should work cleanly.`
`08:14.15`	`Andune`	`Fisker: if you're not a grid user, SmartBuff comes with SmartDebuff which is a handy replacement for what decursive used to be.`
`08:14.28`	`Wee`	`Anyone know the mod that turns Bartender/Bongo bar icons into circles?`
`08:14.35`	`testify`	`Tenrai: Well the only feature that I can think of atm is one that will do mass enchants on one item`
`08:14.36`	`Andune`	`cyCircled`
`08:14.42`	`Deviad`	`Can anyone tell me what to use to substitute icehud?`
`08:14.42`	`Wee`	`ding ding ding`
`08:14.55`	`Laricwork`	`archud2?`
`08:14.57`	`Andune`	`deviad: I prefer ArcHud2 myself`
`08:15.07`	`Tenrai`	`testify, aka you want to queue things.`
`08:15.16`	`Deviad`	`What does archud has that icehud does not?`
`08:15.21`	`Deviad`	`have*`
`08:15.44`	`testify`	`Tenrai: More or less. I find the override warning pretty annoying too, especially when I'm levelling it.`
`08:15.49`	`Fisker-`	`how do i create categories/tags Antiar1?`
`08:15.52`	`Thorgard`	`Deviad, it's got.. sexy.`
`08:16.01`	`Andune`	`deviad: no idea, never tried IceHud. I've seen the pictures, and I prefer ArcHud2's graphics. One thing ArcHud2 does nice is it fades out when you're not in combat so it's out of the way. Not sure if other HUDs do that.`
`08:16.03`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`archud2 is nice`
`08:16.17`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`nerfed did that also`
`08:16.41`	`nee-lap`	`Oh wow, the Baggins minimum fixed font was fixed :D`
`08:17.06`	`Antiar1`	`Fisker: Set the "Tag item" keybinding in the Blizz keybinder, or click an item icon in the Sanity display.`
`08:17.06`	`Deviad`	`:\`
`08:17.14`	`Deviad`	`I hope they fix Ice HUD and cryolysis`
`08:17.24`	`Fisker-`	`nice`
`08:17.36`	`Antiar1`	`I committed a version just a bit ago that'll auto-set the keybinding to CTRL-T if that binding isn't set and CTRL-T isn't used`
`08:17.43`	`Antiar1`	`So that should help alleviate confusion in the future`
`08:17.59`	`testify`	`Tenrai: Anything like that?`
`08:18.41`	`Wee`	`I load FuBar, and get this error: AceConsole-2.0: args.background.args.color: "name" must be a string`
`08:18.53`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24633 10Sanity2/SanityItemCache.lua:`
`08:18.53`	`CIA-17`	`Sanity2: Made a fix to the ItemCache that should cause it to more gracefully`
`08:18.53`	`CIA-17`	`degrade old databases. Less errors = good! Please let me know if you get any`
`08:18.53`	`CIA-17`	`more errors relating to BagItems, MailItems, BankItems, EquipmentItems, or`
`08:18.53`	`CIA-17`	`"expecting table, got a number" errors.`
`08:18.54`	`Wee`	`..\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar.lua line 289:`
`08:18.55`	`Tenrai`	`Sorry, testify no clue`
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`08:19.54`	`Antiar1`	`And now I really have to go to bed.`
`08:20.01`	`Antiar1`	`So play with it and yell at me if it breaks more.`
`08:20.06`	`Nargiddley`	`nee-lap, just commited a fix for the item counts. let me know if it fixes it completely`
`08:20.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`ck / anyone - does AceEvent SecureHook always hook secure?`
`08:20.48`	`ckknight`	`no, it'll hook non-secure functions`
`08:20.53`	`Antiar1`	`It should prevent tainting, if that's what you mean`
`08:21.19`	`Deviad`	`OK, I switched on the option to do load out to date mods`
`08:21.20`	`Deviad`	`:P`
`08:21.21`	`nee-lap`	`Nargiddley: okidoki`
`08:21.26`	`Deviad`	`everything works fine`
`08:21.39`	`nee-lap`	`Nargiddley: I'll do some AV in an hour or so and let you know.`
`08:21.52`	`nymbia`	`dont use secure hooks unless you have to.`
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`08:22.15`	`Fisker-`	`btw what does the "scan" function in silverdragon do?`
`08:22.27`	`Fisker-`	`Cause it's not possible to target stuff anymore is it?`
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`08:23.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, ok I need to hook LFGQuery such that this won't happen - http://ace.pastey.net/4883`
`08:23.30`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Fisker-, I guess it went through it's list of rares and did a /target to see if it was nearby`
`08:23.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`I both call LFGQuery and hook it to get a copy of the parameters`
`08:24.14`	`Thorgard`	`I got so many ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED error it's not even funny. :/`
`08:24.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'm lucky I just have to deal with this one`
`08:24.37`	`Fisker-`	`well i thought addons weren't allowed to target anymore OvrLrd-Q`
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`08:27.28`	`Andune`	`hmm. Anyone know what mod, when alt-right clicking on an inventory item, auto posts the item in the AH?`
`08:27.28`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`no i;m saying that's what I think it used to do`
`08:27.28`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Andune: auctioneer?`
`08:27.39`	`Andune`	`I use Fence and KC_Items, and both previously had the behavior of SUGGESTING a sale price, but not actually clicking 'create auction' for me`
`08:27.46`	`CIA-17`	`03fenlis * r24634 10MusicStream/ (14 files in 2 dirs):`
`08:27.46`	`CIA-17`	`MusicStream:`
`08:27.46`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:28.07`	`Andune`	`nope, don't use auctioneer anymore (replaced with KC_items). btw, I don't WANT this behavior, I want to know what's doing it so I can turn it off :)`
`08:28.07`	`todd`	`http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2323/aceools0.png - anyone had an error like that?`
`08:28.35`	`Thorgard`	`todd, that's a funny one.`
`08:29.15`	`nymbia`	`todd: someone had that same error a few days ago, you can change a couple lines and fix it. one sec lemme take a quick look at the school source.`
`08:29.22`	`todd`	`ok`
`08:30.21`	`Daemona`	`hmmm anyone played a draenei in the closed beta and can tell me if "gift of the naaruu" gets +heal bonus?`
`08:30.48`	`nymbia`	`todd: open School.lua, search for "if AceLibrary:HasInstance("AceDebug-2.0") then" and replace it with "if false then" -- there's two spots to make the same change.`
`08:30.49`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`grrr yea, it's autobar that's fubar'ing my icons`
`08:31.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Daemona: yes, afaik it gets 100% +heal, like other hots`
`08:31.41`	`todd`	`alright, I'll do it a little cleaner than if false then, but thanks :)`
`08:31.53`	`nymbia`	`todd: sure ;)`
`08:32.34`	`Andune`	`nargiddley: fyi, there's a bug when using Baggins 'optimize section layout'. It doesn't obey the column width. A one or two-item column will get tacked on the end of a row that's already at max`
`08:33.05`	`CIA-17`	`03fenlis * r24635 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Kelthuzad.lua: BigWigs - update locale koKR`
`08:33.07`	`Fisker-`	`lol`
`08:33.18`	`Fisker-`	`why update musicstream it's been 0wned`
`08:33.22`	`Fisker-`	`and doesn't work anymore :O`
`08:33.24`	`Fisker-`	`silly koreans`
`08:33.30`	`CIA-17`	`03solor * r24636 10!SurfaceControl/ (!SurfaceControl.toc libs/): !SurfaceControl: added surface to toc & externals`
`08:33.37`	`Andune`	`nargiddley: so for example, if I set column width to 12, and I have two keys in my keyring and I display my keyring, it will sometimes display 14 rows, with the keyring being tacked as "extra" on the end of a row`
`08:33.45`	`Fisker-`	`Antiar1 will you add expiry timers to the mailbox category?`
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`08:35.46`	`Toadkiller`	`andune do u use Automaton?`
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`08:36.12`	`Andune`	`Toadkiller: yeah. been using it for a while. good idea tho, I'll check there..`
`08:36.34`	`Toadkiller`	`yeah it happenned to me recently and automaton was the most recent thing i added i think`
`08:36.38`	`Daemona`	`NightHawkTheSane ... ok, i can see warrior running around with a +heal gear in bags to heal themselves...`
`08:36.42`	`Daemona`	`while grinding`
`08:36.50`	`Fisker-`	`argh Antiar1 i broke my equipment :P`
`08:37.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, nah, not going to happen. you'd lose way to much other stats`
`08:37.35`	`Andune`	`toadkiller: what option? I don't see any automaton options related to AH..`
`08:38.46`	`Andune`	`toadkiller: hmm, nothing I can see. Doesn't look like they've added anything new to automaton, and I've been using it for a long time now and never had this problem before.`
`08:38.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Daemona: really, the more obnoxious scenario is damage spellcasters, running around in +dam/heal, getting a nice hot to grind with`
`08:40.19`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: toadkiller: pet feeding works fine now in autobar, but I still have that pesky PvP pots showing up (and it is not disabled, i checked)`
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`08:40.43`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`AutoBar is making my icons disappear :(`
`08:40.57`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24637 10Grouper/ (GrouperAce.lua GrouperCore.lua):`
`08:40.57`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
`08:40.57`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:40.57`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:40.59`	`todd`	`am I blind or is there no way to set the fubar alignment for sraidframes`
`08:41.01`	`Adirelle`	`s/Nargiddley: //`
`08:41.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`getting close!`
`08:41.25`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley : made some profiling on Baggins: on a bank opening, with default profile, UpdateBagFrameSize gets called 54 times... will try to reduce to one soon`
`08:41.25`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, Andune just found a bug in the optimize layout`
`08:41.39`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, k`
`08:42.36`	`Adirelle`	`Andune : can you send it me at adirelle at tagada-team dot net ? gotto go now , but i'll check it`
`08:42.56`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, its just it making the bags wider than the others`
`08:43.10`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: oh`
`08:43.27`	`Nargiddley`	`with what i have atm, 5 cols, its put 2,2,1 next to each other`
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`08:43.39`	`Nargiddley`	`so with the spacing its like its about 6 wide`
`08:43.48`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: can you send me a screen ?`
`08:44.24`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: well, I knew half-sized spacing woule be nicer but also trickier...*`
`08:45.55`	`sylvanaar`	`curse has login issues right`
`08:46.19`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6325/baglayoutsh2.jpg`
`08:46.55`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4884-42be`
`08:46.55`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: indeed, that's annoying`
`08:46.55`	`Fisker-`	`sylvanaar nah`
`08:46.55`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`is that a bug in garbagefu or dewdrop?`
`08:46.58`	`Fisker-`	`They disable them during patches because of the load`
`08:47.30`	`Nargiddley`	`oh and when you checked how many times it was called, was that on first opening of the bags ?`
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`08:47.43`	`evl`	`curse seems to have a performance problem`
`08:48.56`	`CIA-17`	`03adirelle * r24638 10Baggins/Baggins.lua:`
`08:48.56`	`CIA-17`	`Baggins: Baggins:`
`08:48.56`	`CIA-17`	`- tweaked section layout optimization,`
`08:48.56`	`CIA-17`	`- added some code profiling stuff (inactive).`
`08:48.58`	`sylvanaar`	`Fisker-: ok, i was just going to update my mods and couldnt login`
`08:49.17`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`08:49.17`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: could not test it, just hoping I didn't made any typo :s`
`08:49.19`	`Fisker-`	`really annoying :P`
`08:49.25`	`Fisker-`	`But so is their "Last updated" collumn`
`08:49.29`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, k`
`08:49.34`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone want to make RegenFu run without Fubar?`
`08:49.39`	`Daemona`	`hmmmm`
`08:49.55`	`Adirelle`	`and this time i really gotto go`
`08:49.56`	`Adirelle`	`cya`
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`08:49.59`	`sylvanaar`	`just testing mostly i'd think`
`08:50.27`	`Daemona`	`if i dont have herbalism and someone shares me aherb node i get -> ...ns\Cartographer_Noteshare\Cartographer_Noteshare.lua:234: Database "Herbalism" not registered.:`
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`08:51.19`	`dafire`	`morning`
`08:52.00`	`Daemona`	`seems to be a problem when the database is not loaded due to load/unload on demand cause i dont have herbalism`
`08:53.01`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`yea I got that too, same with vendors and trainers`
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`08:56.44`	`[Ammo]`	`morning`
`09:01.14`	`evl`	`Anyone know the filesize of the TBC client?`
`09:01.27`	`[Ammo]`	`the beta was 7gig`
`09:01.43`	`evl`	`I've found one WoW-2.0.0.5991-enGB-Installer-downloader.exe which results in 1.1gb and one WoW-2.0.0.5991-enGB-Installer.rar which is 2.1gb`
`09:03.08`	`Silviu--`	`We can now download the BC client and buy an BC key online ?`
`09:03.15`	`dafire`	`no`
`09:03.17`	`jjb`	`no`
`09:03.23`	`jjb`	`good morning`
`09:03.44`	`dafire`	`i think they sell a limited supply to prevent server overloads .. :9`
`09:03.53`	`dafire`	`that wouldn't work with online selling`
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`09:07.17`	`evl`	`dafire: yes you can?`
`09:07.34`	`sergio`	`it could work with online selling but they probably have obligations to the publisher`
`09:08.08`	`dafire`	`sergio: why ? they could sell it online and give the publisher the money .9 or the publisher could sell it online`
`09:08.30`	`sergio`	`there are other people in the supply chain other than the publisher`
`09:08.35`	`dafire`	`btw .. blizzard is owned by vivendi so they get the money anyways ;)`
`09:08.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`more than likely vivendi/blizzard has contracts with retail vendors`
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`09:09.10`	`sergio`	`people who stamp out cds/dvds, supply lines, retailers`
`09:09.15`	`sergio`	`it's been said before`
`09:09.17`	`sergio`	`blah blah blah`
`09:09.17`	`dafire`	`i doubt that`
`09:09.19`	`evl`	`I`
`09:09.23`	`evl`	`I bought my cd-key online`
`09:09.26`	`evl`	`and a link to the client download`
`09:09.35`	`dafire`	`but not for the expansion`
`09:09.36`	`sergio`	`you bought your cdkey online a long time after the game was out`
`09:09.37`	`evl`	`like when the origianl game was released.`
`09:09.53`	`evl`	`It's simple 1. Open TBC Box 2. Take Photo of CD-Key 3. Mail CD-Key 4. Mail Box`
`09:10.07`	`evl`	`I had the game before any of my mates that preordered`
`09:10.11`	`odt`	`well, and get a friend loan you his discs`
`09:10.24`	`evl`	`Nah, most online cd key sellers have a client download link`
`09:10.26`	`odt`	`or someone to put em on the internet to dl`
`09:10.26`	`dafire`	`if they would make a deal with retail vendors that would be selling it a day early ..`
`09:10.50`	`evl`	`So the retail vendors don't have the box now?`
`09:11.10`	`odt`	`they have`
`09:11.11`	`sergio`	`someone I know in my guild that works at a shop says retail boxes are suppose to arrive friday`
`09:11.17`	`odt`	`some at least`
`09:11.22`	`dafire`	`they have.. but not as many as they have orders for`
`09:11.43`	`sergio`	`300 some boxes too`
`09:11.47`	`dafire`	`i think amazon.de can only deliver those that were orderd before october last year`
`09:12.12`	`evl`	`I dunno, I feel safe that an online cd-key is faster and more reliable than the physical one :)`
`09:12.21`	`evl`	`Besides, chances the servers are up and stable are... haha :D`
`09:12.38`	`dafire`	`i have a friend working on a store who gave me diablo2 3 days early .. .9`
`09:12.40`	`sergio`	`shrug i'm just getting mine through ups`
`09:13.22`	`sergio`	`i'm more interested in upgrading my computer for pvp :\|`
`09:13.25`	`dafire`	`not everybody will have his box on tuesday.. i see big QQ`
`09:14.15`	`CIA-17`	`03fleetfoot * r24639 10LittleTrouble/ (7 files):`
`09:14.15`	`CIA-17`	`LittleTrouble:`
`09:14.15`	`CIA-17`	`- Added LICENSE.txt`
`09:14.15`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed errors in onupdate function`
`09:14.16`	`CIA-17`	`- Smaller trims and fixes to the code.`
`09:14.18`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r24640 10Toolbox-1.0/ (Toolbox-1.0/Toolbox-1.0.lua Toolbox-1.0.toc):`
`09:14.18`	`CIA-17`	`Toolbox-1.0`
`09:14.20`	`CIA-17`	`* Updated TOC`
`09:14.22`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:14.26`	`CIA-17`	`* Removed Debugging functions`
`09:14.28`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:16.47`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24641 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: Baggins: Optimize Section Layout no longer creates bags wider than default`
`09:17.52`	`jjb`	`amazon says: Lieferung voraussichtlich: 17. Januar 2007 - 19. Januar 2007`
`09:20.28`	`CIA-17`	`03fatherjim * r24642 10loudmouth/ (loudmouth.lua loudmouth.xml):`
`09:20.28`	`CIA-17`	`loudmouth:`
`09:20.28`	`CIA-17`	`- Loudmouth 0.804 - release candidate 4`
`09:21.12`	`*** join/#wowace Sole (n=chatzill@60-234-168-14.bitstream.orcon.net.nz)`
`09:21.29`	`Sole`	`~seen Elkano`
`09:21.55`	`purl`	`elkano is currently on #wowi-lounge (1h 57m 25s) #wowace (1h 57m 25s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 1h 23m 37s, last said: 'ElkBuffBar'.`
`09:21.55`	`[Ammo]`	`ordered TBC in october, should be getting it the 17th or the 18th yay`
`09:21.55`	`Sole`	`purl you suck`
`09:22.04`	`purl`	`no, you suck!`
`09:22.04`	`[Ammo]`	`hahaha`
`09:22.04`	`Sole`	`Im gettin a TBC set aside for me`
`09:22.05`	`Sole`	`lawl@elk`
`09:22.11`	`Sole`	`no you suck`
`09:22.23`	`Sole`	`my buddy is setting a copy of TBC aside for me, and he'll sell it for wholesale to me`
`09:22.30`	`Silviu--`	`Hmm, icon in ag-uf for shadow vulnerability won�t show anymore :(`
`09:22.32`	`evl`	`I bought from gamersloot :P`
`09:22.34`	`Sole`	`lol big save right there...a whole $20 NZ :P`
`09:22.37`	`evl`	`worked fine with original game`
`09:22.43`	`Sole`	`elkano, my guildy had a suggestion for EBB`
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`09:23.14`	`Sole`	`stop hiding`
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`09:23.36`	`Sole`	`:(`
`09:24.17`	`Elkano`	`brb, changing room`
`09:24.41`	`Sole`	`.Sap breaks. Sole vanishes. Equips Cat's Eye Ultra Goggles. Saps Elkano.`
`09:24.56`	`Sole`	`WTF MY chatzhilla is all backwards`
`09:25.29`	`Sole`	`this is all hella weird`
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`09:28.34`	`PProvost`	`Night all`
`09:29.41`	`jjb`	`wow, svn update with externals and withour errors :)`
`09:30.30`	`CIA-17`	`03fleetfoot * r24643 10LittleTrouble/ (LittleTrouble.toc libs/):`
`09:30.30`	`CIA-17`	`LittleTrouble:`
`09:30.30`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed externals.`
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`09:36.04`	`ZOAS\|zzz`	`~seen deviad`
`09:36.26`	`purl`	`deviad is currently on #wowace (1h 26m 55s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 1h 15m, last said: 'everything works fine'.`
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`09:40.01`	`CIA-17`	`03toadkiller * r24644 10AutoBar/ (AutoBarButton.lua Core.lua):`
`09:40.01`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBar:`
`09:40.01`	`CIA-17`	`-event handler bug fix`
`09:40.07`	`Laricwork`	`[Ammo] is there any way to turn off the MT frames in ora2?`
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`09:40.32`	`Nargiddley`	`Laricwork, set Nr Maintanks to 0`
`09:41.38`	`[Ammo]`	`set to 0 indeed`
`09:41.57`	`abbat_w`	`Morning guys`
`09:42.04`	`grennon`	`morning`
`09:42.09`	`abbat_w`	`Last patch is full on with bugs ;(`
`09:42.10`	`grennon`	`and good night :-)`
`09:42.19`	`abbat_w`	`cya grennon ;)`
`09:42.23`	`*** part/#wowace grennon (n=jeramy@user-0cdv8vd.cable.mindspring.com)`
`09:42.55`	`odt`	`and i thought they fixed a lot of bugs`
`09:43.14`	`abbat_w`	`btw`
`09:43.27`	`abbat_w`	`blizzard fix tooltips events?`
`09:43.55`	`abbat_w`	`before 2.0.3 mods like EnchTooltip and Informant produce insane memory usage`
`09:45.41`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Toadkiller: which bug was that? the missing icons?`
`09:47.52`	`MoonWolf`	`* hyperChipmunk is now known as sedatedChipmunk`
`09:47.53`	`MoonWolf`	`<MoonWolf> can someone explain why this bit'o'code is not recursing correctly ?`
`09:47.53`	`MoonWolf`	`<MoonWolf> http://www.pastey.net/4885`
`09:47.53`	`MoonWolf`	`<MoonWolf> it does not seem to return to itself when the funciton finishes.`
`09:48.20`	`Deviad`	`ZOAS\|zzz, sup?`
`09:48.46`	`Deviad`	`I'm running some outdated mods like iceHUD and everything works fine anyway ^^`
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`09:49.09`	`ZOAS\|zzz`	`I was curious about icehud specifically, actually.`
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`09:49.19`	`ZOAS\|zzz`	`you get it working? Because it was working just fine for me.`
`09:49.20`	`zirah`	`hmm recursive sql is a bad idea imho`
`09:49.36`	`evl`	`Is it possible to extend functions in Blizzards's default addons?`
`09:49.42`	`Deviad`	`ZOAS\|zzz, yeah it works here, I just checked the box for running outdated modules after logging in...`
`09:49.52`	`evl`	`I'm specifically trying to improve the Blizzard_CombatText addon`
`09:50.04`	`Deviad`	`Cryolysis works fine too :P`
`09:50.06`	`ZOAS\|zzz`	`evl: sort of. You'd have to replace the function with your own version of it.`
`09:50.07`	`Deviad`	`So I'm great`
`09:50.26`	`evl`	`ZOAS\|zzz: and then call the original function first thing in the new one`
`09:50.37`	`ZOAS\|zzz`	`BlizzFunctionName = MyFunctionName`
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`09:50.47`	`Melisandre`	`!`
`09:50.49`	`Melisandre`	`hi`
`09:51.14`	`nymbia`	`hey Melisandre`
`09:51.17`	`Melisandre`	`<3 you guys, keep up the good work :)`
`09:51.24`	`Melisandre`	`though now something is messy :)`
`09:51.39`	`Melisandre`	`bye :)`
`09:51.39`	`Laricwork`	`evl how come you want to work with their combat text?`
`09:52.05`	`evl`	`Laric: move some stuff around, scale it down a bit, add more triggers`
`09:53.01`	`Laricwork`	`evl why not use scr instead then? :P`
`09:53.05`	`Laricwork`	`sct even`
`09:53.30`	`evl`	`Because i don't require the billions of features sct provides? :)`
`09:53.42`	`[Ammo]`	`msbt ftw :)`
`09:53.43`	`evl`	`I just removed MSBT so`
`09:53.59`	`evl`	`actually MSBT really made my FPS fubar for some reason`
`09:55.48`	`Toadkiller`	`Overl: im not sure what the missing icons are. this fixes count & cooldown during combat`
`09:56.26`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`ah`
`09:56.46`	`Toadkiller`	`overl: are you missing icons?`
`09:57.28`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24645 10!!!StandaloneLibraries/!!!StandaloneLibraries.toc: !!!StandaloneLibraries: TOC 20003 LOL - Seriously should add a lua file which prints a warning`
`09:57.51`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`yea`
`10:00.45`	`Fisker-`	`hoho sylvanaar`
`10:00.57`	`Fisker-`	`there was some guy which were just toc'ing everything to 20003`
`10:01.00`	`Fisker-`	`pretty stupid imo`
`10:01.25`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Toadkiller: lemme try 24644 and see if it still does it`
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`10:04.49`	`CIA-17`	`03chrisp * r24646 10QuestAnnouncer/ (Libs/ QuestAnnouncer.toc):`
`10:04.49`	`CIA-17`	`QuestAnnouncer`
`10:04.49`	`CIA-17`	`- updated toc`
`10:04.49`	`CIA-17`	`- added missing external`
`10:05.25`	`Laricwork`	`hehe questannouncer... someone stole my old addon and aced it :P`
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`10:06.26`	`Adirelle\|work`	`hi`
`10:08.11`	`Nargiddley`	`hey`
`10:09.13`	`Toadkiller`	`hi`
`10:09.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hi?`
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`10:10.53`	`Mimesis`	`any here have beta acces? an maybe using cartographer quests while leveling?`
`10:10.59`	`Mimesis`	`will sell soul for saved vars`
`10:11.43`	`Toadkiller`	`the quest giver module?`
`10:12.03`	`Mimesis`	`ya`
`10:12.07`	`abbat_w`	`cartographer....`
`10:12.15`	`markv`	`omg 19 twink pvping is so awesome, why didn't someone tell me about this last year!`
`10:12.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you don't really need that, most of the quests are pretty well layed out shrug`
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`10:12.33`	`Mimesis`	`well`
`10:12.48`	`evl`	`markv: a friend of mine spent like 450g on gear and enchants on his level 19 twink rogue :)`
`10:12.49`	`Mimesis`	`does the questgiver make notes when you recieve quest items?`
`10:13.01`	`Mimesis`	`like drops from mobs, so you know where to go`
`10:13.03`	`Fisker-`	`If anyone got for bloodelves i'd like one too :P`
`10:13.08`	`markv`	`evl: yeah i just got 100hp to legs/helm done and 25agil to axe`
`10:13.13`	`Mimesis`	`that would be a great feature if it doesnt have it already`
`10:13.13`	`markv`	`gonna save up some stuff for 15agil to gloves`
`10:13.24`	`markv`	`i'm sitting at 1203hp unbuffed right now on my hunter`
`10:13.49`	`markv`	`and almost 17% chance to crit, it's so awesome`
`10:14.18`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Toadkiller: can't reprodce it with 24644`
`10:14.40`	`nee-lap`	`Nargiddley: oki, updating addons now and queueing AV. reporting back asap.`
`10:14.43`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: just seen your fix, I used GetWidth cause I was worried about section title overlapping`
`10:15.09`	`Mikma`	`balh`
`10:15.29`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, ah diddnt think of that. Its not making them wider than it should now though`
`10:15.52`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: oki, so i'll retry with some more testing when i'll have time`
`10:15.53`	`Kodewulf`	`Mimesis: i'll see your soul and raise you a soul and fluffy bunny slippers... :)`
`10:16.06`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: notice I may just use pixels as base unit instead of "grid space"`
`10:16.31`	`Toadkiller`	`overl: ok good. someone posted a bug that seemed like it would cause that with an error line which got fixed.`
`10:17.19`	`Adirelle\|work`	`toadkiller: dunno if you caught it : yesterday, I still had that PvP pot enabled outside of battleground`
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`10:17.54`	`Adirelle\|work`	`toadkiller : though they are recorded in "Potions - Mana Alterac" PT set`
`10:19.46`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`hurm`
`10:19.57`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`thick leather is showing up as a cured ham steak :/`
`10:20.05`	`Toadkiller`	`adirelle: yeah i think i finally committed the fix. I am just disabling & reducing alpha on them. Hopefully that is enough.`
`10:20.16`	`Toadkiller`	`or at least not confusing`
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`10:24.42`	`Tathar`	`Hello`
`10:26.54`	`nee-lap`	`Hi Tathar`
`10:28.21`	`CIA-17`	`03toadkiller * r24647 10AutoBar/AutoBarProfile.lua:`
`10:28.21`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBar:`
`10:28.21`	`CIA-17`	`-Move Summon Charger and Summon Warhorse to the mount slot, instead of the less obvious potion slot.`
`10:28.21`	`sylvanaar`	`can you use a tabke as a table index?`
`10:28.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I wrote some code profiling stuff for Baggins (well it's a quick hack for now), if some people are interested, i may try to clean it and make it a lib, take a loot : http://ace.pastey.net/4887`
`10:30.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`for those unused with this, the idea is to count how many time a line get executed during a simple function call (like onevent, onupdate, etc...)`
`10:31.21`	`Tathar`	`I have a question, is there a profile system in Skinner?`
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`10:35.19`	`nee-lap`	`I do not know. Is there a wiki for it?`
`10:36.50`	`djspark`	`is there a ace version of vbagon ?`
`10:37.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there are several ace bag mods. OneBag, Baggins, and ArkInventory probably being the three big ones that I can think of`
`10:37.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`none of them are -exactly- like vbagnon, but arkinventory is probably close.`
`10:38.50`	`djspark`	`I'm going for the one bag that has sorting based on item type`
`10:39.11`	`djspark`	`I've noticed that vbagon is getting more and more bloated, and would like to keep it simple`
`10:40.00`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`OneBag + MrPlow :P`
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`10:40.30`	`djspark`	`Thanks :-)`
`10:40.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`OneBag isn't sorted by itself. shrug honestly I've found (v)Bagnon to be the least bloated bag mod i've ever seen`
`10:40.52`	`waffle__`	`yeah, what kinda stuff is vbagnon bloated with?`
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`10:41.56`	`Hjalte`	`Baggins seems to have the best sorting of the three`
`10:42.07`	`Zicon`	`Baggins <3`
`10:42.19`	`zaM\|goner`	`hi guys, I was wondering if any one knows about CooldownCount to ace2?`
`10:42.19`	`djspark`	`well I remember that it's previous versions kept the setup real simple, now there are multiple ways to sort, you can create your own sorting category, configurations, etc`
`10:42.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`It easily does. If i had the patience to configure it the way i wanted it, I'd love it.`
`10:43.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you're not going to find many "simple" sorted bag mods. The nature of sorting items in wow is varied enough to make it a bit complex on the UI end`
`10:43.24`	`nee-lap`	`Oh well, to each their own.`
`10:44.32`	`evl`	`I like all the bag mods`
`10:44.37`	`evl`	`I just don't like it when everything goes black`
`10:44.37`	`nee-lap`	`:)]`
`10:44.40`	`evl`	`sorta cramped!`
`10:44.45`	`evl`	`compared to the default textures`
`10:44.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but you may want to try each of them and see what you like the best.`
`10:45.56`	`evl`	`I like Baggins`
`10:45.59`	`evl`	`but I want the default graphics`
`10:46.24`	`Silviu--`	`ahm ArkInventory produce 240 Kb-s increase when i move something from bag to bank and back :(`
`10:46.39`	`Silviu--`	`And a little hickup`
`10:46.40`	`[Ammo]`	`I wish thisterall finished OneBagSorter`
`10:46.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I want to be able to configure baggins the way i want in under 4 hours. :P`
`10:47.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: Blizzard code to handle bag texture setup is like 200 lines long... that's why few bag addons use them`
`10:47.30`	`evl`	`I know and they have one texture for each type of bag`
`10:47.41`	`evl`	`But I still like the way they look`
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`10:47.54`	`benjdr`	`wassup`
`10:48.18`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: yeah, I would like Baggins could look like default bags`
`10:48.29`	`evl`	`I'm gonna take a stab at that later`
`10:48.40`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: and I even looked at blizzard texture code to try to put it in Baggins`
`10:48.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i like the black look myself, but that's me.`
`10:48.54`	`evl`	`problem is you'd have to make one texture for each slot background`
`10:49.02`	`evl`	`and then empty slots + borders and top`
`10:49.52`	`Nargiddley`	`i think it would look close enough, with just the right tileable backdrop`
`10:50.21`	`Hjalte`	`NightHawkTheSane: Once you've used those 4 hours, you will never have to sort your bags again, for any toon :)`
`10:50.28`	`benjdr`	`what are the Postal commands?`
`10:50.32`	`Nargiddley`	`and then a texture for empty slots`
`10:50.55`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: notice there were a point I wandered about : which icon for bags ? one global ? or a way to change it per bag ?`
`10:51.07`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah thats what i'd been wondering as well`
`10:51.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Hjalte: sadly, not even true. Again, this is probably just me. But I like slightly different sorting based on each toon's class/professions.`
`10:51.28`	`Nargiddley`	`could do it like vbagnon does, and pick an item in the bag`
`10:51.34`	`evl`	`How about just making one top texture, tiling the middle texture for the number of rows and a bottom texture`
`10:51.53`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: variable column number`
`10:52.17`	`Hjalte`	`NightHawkTheSane: Yes, and that is fine. Do all the categories for all toons and then just hide / unhide for each toon? That's why it takes 4 hours ;)`
`10:52.18`	`benjdr`	`anyone know postal commands?`
`10:52.27`	`evl`	`Adirelle\|work: For each row you tile you can have a different texture from 1-10 slots i guess`
`10:52.36`	`nee-lap`	`There are none benjdr, I think`
`10:52.41`	`evl`	`it would only be 1-10 * 3 = 30 textures afaik`
`10:52.47`	`Nargiddley`	`evl, it'll only work with a fully tilable texture`
`10:52.52`	`benjdr`	`nee-lap, is there a mass mail feature?`
`10:52.57`	`evl`	`Then one would have to make one :)`
`10:52.59`	`evl`	`Simple in photoshop`
`10:53.02`	`nee-lap`	`benjdr: not yet`
`10:53.09`	`[Ammo]`	`baggins needs to have an option to display all stuff in seperate regions of the same frame`
`10:53.10`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: hmm... wondering if the "item backdrop" is tileable`
`10:53.15`	`evl`	`oh, and maybe a spacer texture for the section titles`
`10:53.26`	`[Ammo]`	`all those seperate little bags are cramping my screen :)`
`10:53.26`	`benjdr`	`nee-lap, im trying to see what it does do, but cant see much at all.`
`10:53.32`	`Laricwork`	`anyone heard of any workaround on the raid problems. like you cannot promote the correct persons.. nor kick them?`
`10:53.57`	`Nargiddley`	`I'm going to seperate the section layout from filling it with items, then layouts for the bags should be able to be changed around reasonably easily`
`10:54.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Hjalte: true, true. I really jsut need to set aside the time to set it the way I want it. the 4 hour part is daunting :)`
`10:54.13`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo] : did you tried the "all-in-one" profile ?`
`10:54.17`	`Illuminati`	`add and extra letter to the persons name? ie john would be johnn travis would be traviss`
`10:54.23`	`nee-lap`	`benjdr: open your mailbox and you'll see some new things, like in the tooltip - shift-click to take an item for instance`
`10:54.24`	`[Ammo]`	`adirelle: that just makes it look like onebag`
`10:54.29`	`[Ammo]`	`I want the sections, but in one frame`
`10:54.37`	`[Ammo]`	`ala the original EngInventory`
`10:54.39`	`benjdr`	`nee-lap: yes thats the only thing ive found :P`
`10:54.40`	`Nargiddley`	`i've just been used to the advanced bags plus way of a seperate bag per category, so thats what i did first`
`10:54.55`	`benjdr`	`well, forward aswell`
`10:55.00`	`Hjalte`	`NightHawkTheSane: I've done it and it really payed off. Now I can laugh at all my friends with their manual sorting, I'll never have to do that again.`
`10:55.05`	`MoonWolf`	`~programmer`
`10:55.17`	`purl`	`it has been said that programmer is root of all evil in Linux`
`10:55.17`	`nee-lap`	`benjdr: and if you alt-click something you want to mail, it sends it immediately`
`10:55.17`	`benjdr`	`ah nice`
`10:55.17`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo] : that's possible, but requires that you configure it :)`
`10:55.35`	`[Ammo]`	`adirelle: baggins configuration is hell++`
`10:55.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: is it possible to move section between bags ?`
`10:55.52`	`Nargiddley`	`nope :/`
`10:56.07`	`Frim`	`any one knows about CooldownCount to ace2?`
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`10:56.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Hjalte: hehe, well right now I use ArkInventory. Easy enough to set up in a satisfactory manner and almost as good`
`10:56.16`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo] : i find it way better that avanced bag plus one`
`10:56.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Frim: OmniCC`
`10:56.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`not ace, but still good.`
`10:56.32`	`Frim`	`it's the same creator?`
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`10:56.35`	`felibarr`	`rawr`
`10:56.36`	`[Ammo]`	`adirelle: I try and add a bag, or a section, and it gives me an input box, without any clue as to what to type there`
`10:56.44`	`[Ammo]`	`why not just give me a dropdown with the PT sets`
`10:56.46`	`[Ammo]`	`or something`
`10:56.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Frim: no, written by Tuller I believe`
`10:57.03`	`Andune`	`nighthawkthesane: I don't know what kind of sorting you expect to be doing, but I just switched to Baggins tonight and configured it to my liking in about 15 minutes.`
`10:57.18`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo] hmm... may just need some explanation on the wiki`
`10:57.22`	`nee-lap`	`Yup, Baggins only took me a few minutes as well :)`
`10:57.48`	`Frim`	`coz I have tried OmniCC but I like CooldownTimers better, made by Hollow`
`10:57.49`	`[Ammo]`	`don't get me wrong, I like the idea, but it is just completely unclear on how to use the whole thing`
`10:57.57`	`Frim`	`but It's not ace based`
`10:58.04`	`felibarr`	`So, anyone else got trouble with the targetframe? Nailed it down to being tainted by ace2 somehow. Not sure _exactly_ what, but still. :<`
`10:58.13`	`evl`	`First I made categories that matched my regular "sorting" and then I made bags`
`10:58.21`	`evl`	`it helps if you delete most of the bags when you start`
`10:58.25`	`[Ammo]`	`hmm`
`10:58.30`	`[Ammo]`	`I'll give it a go again I guess`
`10:58.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Andune: I like things just a certain way, and in previous attempts at baggins its taken me a long time to even get close.`
`10:58.44`	`evl`	`I made a bag called backpack with the "Other" category + a "Quest" secvtion`
`10:58.50`	`Toadkiller`	`Frim: WHat is better about CooldownTimers?`
`10:58.56`	`evl`	`Dunno, I just tried to replicate my existing bags without the manual sorting thing :)`
`10:59.00`	`[Ammo]`	`evl: I want one bag, with sections`
`10:59.14`	`felibarr`	`2007/01/11 11:45:20-153-x2]: <event>ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'Bartender3' tried to call the protected function 'TargetFrame:Show()'.`
`10:59.15`	`felibarr`	`etc`
`10:59.16`	`felibarr`	`:<`
`10:59.22`	`evl`	`[Ammo]: then just make one bag, with sections :)`
`10:59.24`	`Andune`	`nighthawkthesane: I can't imagine any other bag mod makes it easier? Unless your "certain way" just happens to be the default for one of them? :)`
`10:59.31`	`[Ammo]`	`evl: the problem is, I want new sections too`
`10:59.36`	`evl`	`[Ammo]: 1. Delete all bags, 2. make a bag called "Backpack" or whatever, then just make a lot of sections`
`10:59.38`	`[Ammo]`	`like a 'herbalism', 'mining' one`
`10:59.38`	`Nargiddley`	`[Ammo], theres a profile All in one that would be a better start for that`
`10:59.39`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo] bag contains sections, each section show items of one or more categories, categories are defined a set of rules (which can be PTset, item qualité, name, item type, and so on)`
`10:59.47`	`nee-lap`	`Well, not everyone has to like Baggins :)`
`11:00.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Andune: honestly, I found the setup for EngInventory/ArkInventory to be pretty easy to get the way I wanted.`
`11:00.21`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/qualité/quality/`
`11:00.34`	`[Ammo]`	`but the categories were unclear`
`11:00.36`	`[Ammo]`	`just an edit box`
`11:00.40`	`felibarr`	`oh well. seems im pretty much ignored. :P`
`11:00.43`	`[Ammo]`	`giev dropdown from PT :p`
`11:00.52`	`[Ammo]`	`or something`
`11:00.56`	`Nargiddley`	`sections of bags that edit box was just for a name`
`11:01.03`	`Nargiddley`	`then you add categories to the section`
`11:01.05`	`Andune`	`nighthawkthesane: never tried either, but was a big fan of Tbag previous to this release. But I never did any configuration, I was just happy with the default. The configuration for TBag's was quite daunting.`
`11:01.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Last I tried baggins I ended up having to carefully craft the rules the way I wanted them. Which was hot because I could literally do anything I wanted, but was a bit tedius`
`11:01.15`	`[Ammo]`	`hrmf`
`11:01.19`	`Nargiddley`	`category is defined in a different place as a set of rules`
`11:01.19`	`[Ammo]`	`well I'll give it a go again`
`11:01.42`	`[Ammo]`	`need my mining stuff in a seperate section frmo my herbs and enchatnign stuffs`
`11:02.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: what do you think of making bag and section titles alt-clickable to allow quick edit ?`
`11:02.51`	`Andune`	`nighthawkthesane: ah. I was happy with the default categories. It got me what I wanted pretty quick. And if I want something else later, I assume the flexibility is there for me to do it. So it works good for me. To each his/her own. :)`
`11:03.00`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: the same way you added alt-clic on items`
`11:03.35`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, that might work`
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`11:03.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: that will be called "the [Ammo] feature"`
`11:03.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`:p`
`11:03.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Andune: Yeah, don't get me wrong, I think Baggins is great. I certainly recognize it's my own finicky tastes. :)`
`11:03.55`	`[Ammo]`	`adirelle: hahah`
`11:04.00`	`Nargiddley`	`[Ammo], I definately agree it needs decumentation on how to configure it heh`
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`11:04.23`	`evl`	`[Ammo]: when a category doesn't work you need to make a new category, it's easy`
`11:04.42`	`[Ammo]`	`like i said, I like baggins, but it would be even better if you just made it a module for OneBag :)`
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`11:04.48`	`[Ammo]`	`so I can use it in OneView, and OneBank as well :)`
`11:05.56`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo] : well, i'm not sure it is possible`
`11:06.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo] : one of the use of different bags is to not open them in the same time`
`11:06.18`	`syeren`	`:P`
`11:06.30`	`Nargiddley`	`the item filtering is reasonably seperated from the display`
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`11:06.32`	`syeren`	`I just want to be able to download addons from the server at more than 1.7kb per second :(`
`11:06.33`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo] : like say, don't open my ammo bag with all`
`11:06.40`	`Nargiddley`	`but not completely`
`11:06.48`	`[Ammo]`	`well, I like everything I have in one frame`
`11:06.53`	`[Ammo]`	`but sorted and categorized`
`11:07.20`	`[Ammo]`	`right now I use Baggins alongside OneBag`
`11:07.20`	`Nargiddley`	`I did try to make it able to do that as well`
`11:07.21`	`[Ammo]`	`and open both`
`11:07.23`	`nee-lap`	`syeren: wait :)`
`11:07.34`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[ammo] if you want, i can quickly add a default setup that will have all the default section but in one bag`
`11:07.35`	`[Ammo]`	`just to get a better feel for my bags:)`
`11:07.40`	`Nargiddley`	`but the layout of sections within a bag is the bit its lacking to do it well`
`11:07.48`	`[Ammo]`	`hmm`
`11:08.33`	`[Ammo]`	`oh and when will it work for the bank :)`
`11:08.38`	`Nargiddley`	`now`
`11:08.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`since 2.0`
`11:08.45`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I think`
`11:08.49`	`Adirelle\|work`	`or at least a week`
`11:09.15`	`felibarr`	`yarr. gief ace2 fix for targetframes. :<`
`11:09.20`	`Nargiddley`	`have you customised it much [Ammo] ?`
`11:09.52`	`[Ammo]`	`no`
`11:10.01`	`[Ammo]`	`because I couldn't get it to get customized :)`
`11:10.03`	`Nargiddley`	`load profile -> All in one`
`11:10.11`	`[Ammo]`	`at work now, can't start WoW`
`11:10.15`	`Nargiddley`	`ah`
`11:10.28`	`Nargiddley`	`well thats the built in, everything in one section setup`
`11:10.29`	`nee-lap`	`Okay, I'll let you know about the bag-update change in a few minutes Nargiddley`
`11:10.40`	`[Ammo]`	`I'll fiddle with it some more`
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`11:10.57`	`Nargiddley`	`ammo/soul bags are seperate, everything else in one section sorted by quality`
`11:12.00`	`Nargiddley`	`that would get back support working as well, it needs to have bags defined to work`
`11:12.03`	`nee-lap`	`Wow. was mount-cast time decreased?`
`11:12.04`	`cynyr`	`Nargiddley: can the all in one view be sorted anyother way? like a merging of the seperate bags?`
`11:12.11`	`Nargiddley`	`s/back/bank/`
`11:12.22`	`[Ammo]`	`hmm`
`11:12.27`	`Nargiddley`	`cynyr, how do you mean ?`
`11:12.42`	`nee-lap`	`Ah, never mind`
`11:12.59`	`cynyr`	`Nargiddley: so that all the "armor" shows up next to each other, all the "consumables"`
`11:13.20`	`cynyr`	`basicly like they show now, just with no headers and all in one frame`
`11:13.21`	`Nargiddley`	`you'd have to define more sections in the bag`
`11:13.33`	`xlvii`	`the ag_uf fubar button is fucked..`
`11:13.42`	`xlvii`	`you can move it _anywhere_ on the screen`
`11:14.18`	`SoLoR`	`xlvii worked for me...`
`11:14.18`	`xlvii`	`actually, all of my fubar is fucked`
`11:14.23`	`xlvii`	`i can move things _ANYWHERE_`
`11:14.26`	`SoLoR`	`you did unlock bar right? :)`
`11:14.50`	`dafire`	`Kaelten-Laptop: have you thought about limiting the lighttpd connections to 1024 or something like that ? looks like it's not limited right now when i look at the status screenshot ,9`
`11:14.55`	`nee-lap`	`He said can, not can't :)`
`11:14.57`	`waffle`	`xlvii: i had that problem tonight, until i updated fubar to the newest version`
`11:15.13`	`xlvii`	`waffle, cheers.`
`11:15.18`	`SoLoR`	`oh lol :(`
`11:15.22`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r24648 10Toolbox-1.0/Toolbox-1.0/Toolbox-1.0.lua:`
`11:15.22`	`CIA-17`	`Toolbox-1.0`
`11:15.22`	`CIA-17`	`* Fixed missing 'local'`
`11:15.30`	`SoLoR`	`still to early i guess ;>`
`11:15.36`	`nee-lap`	`Nargiddley: The bag-update problem when handing in seems okay now :)`
`11:15.52`	`nee-lap`	`Thanks for that update.`
`11:16.42`	`cynyr`	`hmm i guess i could make a new bag and then add all the sub catagories to it...`
`11:17.10`	`syeren`	`I added a new bag for my candles, added a catergory to it, added the Sacred Candle Reagent.`
`11:17.14`	`syeren`	`And it still didn't work :P`
`11:17.24`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r24649 10School/School.toc:`
`11:17.24`	`CIA-17`	`School`
`11:17.25`	`CIA-17`	`* TOC`
`11:17.25`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:17.25`	`CIA-17`	`* Fixed SetDebugging error`
`11:17.25`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`11:18.35`	`Nargiddley`	`heres a quick all in one layout i just did`
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`11:18.46`	`Nargiddley`	`http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8246/allinonesc4.jpg`
`11:19.08`	`felibarr`	`hmm`
`11:19.16`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work's optimized layout works well :D`
`11:19.18`	`felibarr`	`seems dewdrop might be the cause`
`11:19.23`	`CIA-17`	`03solor * r24650 10Mendeleev/Mendeleev.toc: Mendeleev: toc 20003`
`11:19.37`	`felibarr`	`disabled all ace2 addons using dewdrop, and voila, targetframe functions properly again!`
`11:20.03`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: woot, It would be of some use...`
`11:20.06`	`Stinkfot`	`could someone give me some quick help? need to fix an addon.. just one line that i need to replace i know but not entirely sure how to write it`
`11:20.15`	`Stinkfot`	`<Model name="$parent_Cooldown" inherits="CooldownFrameTemplate"/>`
`11:20.33`	`Stinkfot`	`that's the line, what should i replace it with? bah i need to learn to code :P`
`11:20.57`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: I'm working on adding a "sorted all-in-one" (cat get a nice name tho)`
`11:21.09`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/cat/can't/`
`11:21.11`	`Stinkfot`	`oh nevermind, found a fix for it :D thanks anyway ppl`
`11:21.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Nargiddley: I like that layout`
`11:21.48`	`felibarr`	`So, anyone knows how to fix dewdrop? At least I think dewdrop is the one causing my problems.`
`11:21.58`	`Adirelle\|work`	`hesitating between "default merged", "one default", "sorted all-in-one"`
`11:21.59`	`Nargiddley`	`i could add that as a profile`
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`11:22.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: I think you should, it seems popular`
`11:22.52`	`Nargiddley`	`basicly just took the built in all in one, deleted the bags section, added those sections with thier categories`
`11:23.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: I know, but don't forget people are lazy :)`
`11:23.20`	`Nargiddley`	`yep`
`11:23.37`	`Nargiddley`	`more loadable profiles is always good :D`
`11:23.47`	`evl`	`Nargiddley: how is the background texture/frame set up in regards to trying to texture it?`
`11:24.14`	`Deviad`	`Did you see that the colors inside the game changed?`
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`11:24.20`	`Deviad`	`They look more bluish`
`11:24.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Nargiddley: this just occurred to me, and I haven't tried baggins in a few commits, so maybe this has changed.. but if "Bag" has no items in it, but is set to show with all bags, will it still show? and is there a way to set it so 'empty' bags never show unless you do it manually?`
`11:24.31`	`cynyr`	`Nargiddley: i'll be doing that myself once my addons are don updating`
`11:24.34`	`Nargiddley`	`evl, its a backdrop using the tooltip background and edge files`
`11:24.38`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: btw, section reordering is dynamic, it is possible that things move when the number of items in a section change...`
`11:24.54`	`evl`	Nargiddley: alright; is there a max and a min number of columns`?
`11:25.30`	`Nargiddley`	`NightHawkTheSane, it will stil open. and i havent come up with a good solution to that since bags items arent filled till they are opened`
`11:25.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: that can be quite confusing at first sight...`
`11:25.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`fair enough, I figured it'd be something like that, thought i'd ask though :)`
`11:26.00`	`Deviad`	`I guess they remade all of the textures`
`11:26.06`	`Deviad`	`they look slightly different`
`11:26.10`	`Deviad`	`didn't you notice that?`
`11:26.15`	`Nargiddley`	`evl, 2 - 20. but those are just arbitraty limits`
`11:27.14`	`Deviad`	`maybe they improved HDR?`
`11:27.19`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: by tracking empty bags at end of OpenAllBags, i think you can manage them to be closed quickly on "open all" trigger, but still allow them to be opened 'at hand'`
`11:27.31`	`evl`	`Deviad: I think they made some adjustments to bloom`
`11:27.47`	`Deviad`	`evl, yeah bloom = a primitive HDR as far as I read`
`11:27.54`	`Deviad`	`now looks better though`
`11:28.03`	`Deviad`	`I'm just accustomed to all that redish light`
`11:28.04`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, yeah need to fix IsAllOpen and IsAnyOpen as well. so that toggling still works`
`11:28.09`	`Deviad`	`now it's more like violet or blue`
`11:28.14`	`evl`	`Nargiddley: so in theory to make textues for Baggins you'd need: 18 top, middle and bottom textures, alternatively 18^17 middle textures :P`
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`11:28.36`	`Nargiddley`	`evl, one texture that will stretch smoothly`
`11:28.40`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: only if you want to minimize the number of textures shown`
`11:28.46`	`Nargiddley`	`with sides defined that dont tile`
`11:29.26`	`Nargiddley`	`basicly you need 4 corners, 4 sides and a middle`
`11:29.31`	`evl`	`ok`
`11:29.47`	`evl`	`that's possible to churn out from the default art`
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`11:30.07`	`Nargiddley`	`with the sides tiling in one direction each`
`11:30.13`	`Nargiddley`	`and the middle in both`
`11:30.27`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: did you looked how it was done in ABP ?`
`11:30.35`	`Nargiddley`	`nope`
`11:31.05`	`Adirelle\|work`	`could be interesting, IIRC it had the default bag look`
`11:31.21`	`evl`	`Aha, that's righ ti did`
`11:31.26`	`evl`	`right it*`
`11:32.07`	`Deviad`	`Cool I have just found some more bugs :D`
`11:32.11`	`Deviad`	`Wanna listen what I found?`
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`11:32.16`	`Deviad`	`:P`
`11:32.24`	`Deviad`	`They made anisotropic filtering worse`
`11:32.48`	`Deviad`	`if you look carefully at the screen you will notice the down part of the screen having af working properly`
`11:33.30`	`Deviad`	`and the upper part beeing blurrier`
`11:33.42`	`Deviad`	`just look at the ground when you walk in tanaris`
`11:33.48`	`Deviad`	`where the textures are pretty light`
`11:33.55`	`Deviad`	`bright*`
`11:34.01`	`Stryph`	`is there currently a way to get the combo points to show under the target frame when you turn off the casting bar in aguf or is that a bug?`
`11:34.23`	`cynyr`	`Stryph: was a bug, are you using the newest aguf?`
`11:34.41`	`Stryph`	`Yeah, just checked before coming here and it says I have the newest one`
`11:35.08`	`Illuminati`	`I apologize if this has come up already.. but has anyone gotten Musicstream to actually stream music sence the patch?`
`11:35.12`	`Stryph`	`Haven't played in the last couple days so I hadn't noticed`
`11:35.47`	`evl`	`Nargiddley: In AdvancedBagsPlus/Textures you have exactly that, BagFrameBackground.tga, BagFrameBorder.blp, EmptySlot.blp. Maybe you can borrow them? :)`
`11:36.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: ABP uses 4 textures : frame backdrop, border and portrait, plus empty slot`
`11:36.31`	`evl`	`what is the portrait texture for? :P`
`11:36.40`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: title`
`11:36.47`	`evl`	`but isn't the background used?`
`11:36.55`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: that what used to display the bag icon`
`11:37.14`	`evl`	`Adirelle\|work: aha :)`
`11:37.17`	`Adirelle\|work`	`looks like top of all other default frame`
`11:37.23`	`cynyr`	`ooo catsing bars under targets in aguf now!!`
`11:37.23`	`evl`	`So it would be simple doing the same for Baggins afaik`
`11:37.40`	`nee-lap`	`Does Baggins need textures?`
`11:37.46`	`nee-lap`	`Isn't it nice and clean now?`
`11:37.46`	`evl`	`cynyr: so no need for antagonist?`
`11:37.58`	`evl`	`nee-lap: talking about making it look more like the default`
`11:38.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr: been there in default UI since 2.0 (but disable)d`
`11:38.06`	`nee-lap`	`I see.`
`11:38.20`	`nee-lap`	`evl: You prefer the default look of bags?`
`11:38.22`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : now just enabled by default in aguf`
`11:38.22`	`Nargiddley`	`nee-lap, some people want it more like defaut bags. It'll be an option`
`11:38.32`	`evl`	`nee-lap: Yes, it's less crowded when it's not black :)`
`11:38.34`	`CIA-17`	`03fatherjim * r24651 10loudmouth/loudmouth.lua:`
`11:38.34`	`CIA-17`	`loudmouth:`
`11:38.34`	`CIA-17`	`- Fix a couple of minor data upgrade errors.`
`11:38.45`	`nee-lap`	`evl: You can change the color though :)`
`11:39.20`	`evl`	`I dunno, the default bags just feels warmer or something, icons not so "hard"`
`11:39.31`	`nee-lap`	`oki ;)`
`11:39.38`	`nee-lap`	`More befitting a role-playing game too`
`11:39.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cough`
`11:40.05`	`evl`	`how does agUF determine where to put the cast bars?`
`11:40.07`	`cynyr`	`evl: i'll keep antagonist, as it shows cooldowns for enemies`
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`11:43.25`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley, evl : I think skinning the bag shouldn't be so hard, I'll put it in my todo list :)`
`11:43.38`	`evl`	`I'd be glad to help with the textures`
`11:43.46`	`evl`	`but it seems it would be easiest just using the textures from ABP`
`11:43.56`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I'll rip those from ABP`
`11:43.59`	`evl`	`I presume he has just extracted them from the blizzard data files`
`11:44.09`	`evl`	`careful now we don't want another GMail incident! :D`
`11:44.39`	`Adirelle\|work`	`don't know anything about this incident`
`11:45.01`	`evl`	`Oh, it's the addon-who's-name-we-don't-speak-of`
`11:45.02`	`Adirelle\|work`	`that's why licenses where added to all mods ?`
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`11:45.15`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: pm me :)`
`11:45.36`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: it would seem that gmail wasa rip of ct_mailmod and the ct_MM wasn't liscened to be copied`
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`11:45.58`	`Adirelle\|work`	`oki`
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`11:46.40`	`felibarr`	`hmm`
`11:47.04`	`felibarr`	`seems it isn't dewdrop, but something else that capping, bartender3, buggrabber and autobar uses`
`11:47.13`	`felibarr`	`err`
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`11:47.20`	`felibarr`	`s/buggrabber/bugsack/`
`11:47.23`	`Adirelle\|work`	`well, I'm not too worried about ABP textures, 3 of them are blp files`
`11:47.39`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(is there tga to blp converter ?)`
`11:47.42`	`evl`	`yes`
`11:47.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`ah damn :)`
`11:47.51`	`evl`	`Adirelle\|work: i'm 99% sure all if them are from somewhere in the blizzard datafiles`
`11:48.32`	`Gandharva`	`did someone test !SurfaceControl? How ca I enable other textures than Blizzard?`
`11:48.52`	`Adirelle\|work`	`evl: I think they are from blizzard datafiles but were modified to fit in the frame and be tileable`
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`11:49.16`	`evl`	`Adirelle\|work: I wouldn't be to worried about it anyway :)`
`11:50.00`	`Adirelle\|work`	`gotto go to lunch to avoid dying in front of my screen`
`11:50.06`	`evl`	`gl`
`11:50.19`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24652 10Baggins/ (Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Added All in one Sorted profile`
`11:51.16`	`felibarr`	`Hmm. It's boiled down to autobar, bartender3 and capping`
`11:52.13`	`Stinkfot`	`felibarr what is?`
`11:52.19`	`felibarr`	`Targetframe bug.`
`11:52.23`	`Stinkfot`	`ah`
`11:52.33`	`felibarr`	`Trying to nail down exactly what's causing it.`
`11:52.48`	`felibarr`	`Now what do those three have in common that some of my other ace2 addons don't?`
`11:53.25`	`nee-lap`	`I use capping and bartender3, but not autobar and have no target frame problem I think`
`11:53.43`	`felibarr`	`Hm.`
`11:53.47`	`felibarr`	`Using latest versions?`
`11:53.51`	`cynyr`	`same here.. although i've just stood around IF`
`11:54.11`	`nee-lap`	`Latest here, in AV now`
`11:54.48`	`felibarr`	`Try untargeting/targeting while in combat to confirm? :>`
`11:55.14`	`Nargiddley`	`felibarr, i'll have a look around with taintchecker to try find something`
`11:55.18`	`cynyr`	`kk sec`
`11:55.37`	`felibarr`	`Nargiddley: ooOOooOOoo. Didn't know about that one. Thanks. ^^`
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`11:56.20`	`nee-lap`	`Let me try`
`11:56.37`	`nee-lap`	`No problem here`
`11:56.56`	`cynyr`	`yep i can target/untarget while in combat`
`11:57.35`	`cynyr`	`and unless something other than Baggins has changed in the last 20 minutes i'm as up to date as the svn`
`11:57.59`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone interested in an idea for an acedebug enhancement?`
`11:59.03`	`Ordog`	`uhm there are two aUF range check addons, which to use?`
`12:00.27`	`Hjalte`	`Ordog: As long as you dont use both, you should be fine`
`12:00.47`	`Nargiddley`	`ok felibarr, i'm getting the problem as well with just those 3 enabled`
`12:01.36`	`felibarr`	`Nargiddley: Yeah, kinda figured.`
`12:02.07`	`felibarr`	`Getting closer to the problem, at least. ^^`
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`12:02.39`	`Nargiddley`	`i see something that might be it`
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`12:05.16`	`CIA-17`	`03schelli * r24653 10FuBar_DebuggerFu/FuBar_DebuggerFu.toc: FuBar_DebuggerFu : updated to toc 20003`
`12:05.32`	`renchap`	`hi guys :)`
`12:05.41`	`felibarr`	`hmm`
`12:05.41`	`renchap`	`http://svn1.wowace.com/files/ => new mirror for /files/`
`12:05.47`	`CIA-17`	`03schelli * r24654 10FuBar_MCPFu/FuBar_MCPFu.toc: FuBar_MCPFu : updated to toc 20003`
`12:05.51`	`renchap`	`updated every 20 minutes`
`12:05.51`	`felibarr`	`something with CloseSpecialWindows`
`12:06.12`	`CIA-17`	`03schelli * r24655 10FuBar_PotHerbFu/FuBar_PotHerbFu.toc: FuBar_PotHerbFu : updated to toc 20003`
`12:06.32`	`cynyr`	`how do i find the ame of an item, as it seems different than the name in the tooltip`
`12:06.34`	`Rashomon`	`Can anyone recommend some good Damage Metering addon?`
`12:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`03schelli * r24656 10FuBar_TrackerFu/ (FuBar_TrackerFu.lua FuBar_TrackerFu.toc): FuBar_TrackerFu : updated to toc 20003 fixed a few things, some bugs remain though, mainly using display atm`
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`12:06.55`	`Nargiddley`	`CloseSpecialWindows should be fine`
`12:07.00`	`Nargiddley`	`unless they changed that :/`
`12:07.00`	`CIA-17`	`03schelli * r24657 10FuBar_TradeCDFu/FuBar_TradeCDFu.toc: FuBar_TradeCDFu : updated to toc 20003`
`12:07.05`	`cynyr`	`Rashomon: i like swstats, not ace2 but very nice`
`12:07.22`	`CIA-17`	`03schelli 07Schelli * r24658 10IceHUD/IceHUD.toc: IceHUD : updated to toc 20003`
`12:07.22`	`felibarr`	`at least that's what my scan said to be tainted`
`12:07.36`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah tainting that doesnt matter`
`12:07.43`	`CIA-17`	`03schelli 07Schelli * r24659 10IceHUD_Hunter/IceHUD_Hunter.toc: IceHUD_Hunter : updated to toc 200003`
`12:07.50`	`Nargiddley`	`what i'm looking at is the really innocent looking 'color'`
`12:08.37`	`Nargiddley`	`just made a tiny addon to just taint that, seeing if it breaks it`
`12:08.45`	`felibarr`	`^^`
`12:09.04`	`Nargiddley`	`but thats going to be hard to track down, since color is a very common variable name`
`12:10.04`	`felibarr`	`mmhm`
`12:10.54`	`Nargiddley`	`k thats not doing it`
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`12:12.39`	`sylvanaar`	`what are you trying to do?`
`12:13.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:13.47`	`cynyr`	`anyone know of a good crit watcher? like critline or that titan plugin, but either standalone or fubar`
`12:14.14`	`Ordog`	`which unitframe addon is that: http://www.directupload.net/file/d/938/Jpl224rW_jpg.htm`
`12:14.38`	`Adirelle\|work`	`ordog: looks like xperl`
`12:14.48`	`Insaclone`	`cynyr: topscorefu`
`12:14.57`	`Stinkfot`	`looks more like nurfed to me Adirelle\|work :P`
`12:15.01`	`Ordog`	`k thanks Adirelle\|work`
`12:15.17`	`Ordog`	`hum and whos right now? ^^`
`12:15.34`	`Ordog`	`i think i remember that guy from the screenshot mentioning xperl`
`12:16.10`	`Fisker-`	`Anyone know why there is a (P) after the servername in xrealm?`
`12:17.05`	`SoLoR`	`Ordog xperl`
`12:17.06`	`sylvanaar`	`I have one - that i would like to add`
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`12:17.39`	`Fisker-`	`you must know sylvanaar`
`12:18.11`	`Laricwork`	`anyone proficient in simple macro's here?`
`12:18.28`	`cynyr`	`Insa: thanks i'll check that out`
`12:18.30`	`odt`	`anyone got a torrent for the TBC beta ?`
`12:18.32`	`odt`	`enGB`
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`12:19.48`	`Nargiddley`	`felibarr, narrowed it down to capping`
`12:19.53`	`Nargiddley`	`or its libs`
`12:20.03`	`felibarr`	`capping only?`
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`12:20.09`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah`
`12:20.13`	`sylvanaar`	`Fisker-: P = Pvp`
`12:20.21`	`sylvanaar`	`Fisker-: P = PvP server`
`12:20.25`	`felibarr`	`i'm getting addon blocked errors from bartender and autobar as well -.-`
`12:20.40`	`cynyr`	`felibarr: they are probably sharing libs`
`12:20.41`	`sylvanaar`	`Fisker-: P = PvP server, it is added by prat if you have GloryLib loaded`
`12:20.49`	`Nargiddley`	`i'm getting the problem with just capping enabled`
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`12:21.20`	`nymbia`	`i remember someone saying that capping caused some taintage even before the patch`
`12:21.21`	`felibarr`	`but yeah, it's capping`
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`12:22.40`	`Fisker-`	`so (E) = pve?`
`12:23.09`	`felibarr`	`now what could cause the taint, then? ^^`
`12:23.37`	`Illuminati`	`With Baggins, when you establish a rule for sorting an item by name or containing part of a name, can you add more than one entry to a single string? Or do you have to make new rules for everything you want it to sort for. Example: a Fire Resist Catagory and you want it to sort for all Dark Iron, Onyxia scale cloak, fire resistance, fiery chain girdle and so on and so on`
`12:24.31`	`Nargiddley`	`Illuminati, it would have to be one rule per match`
`12:24.31`	`Illuminati`	`thanks`
`12:24.31`	`Nargiddley`	`or you could do it with itemid's , that could be one rule including the items`
`12:24.32`	`sylvanaar`	`Fisker-: yeah`
`12:25.04`	`Illuminati`	`I'll explore more before asking too many question`
`12:25.11`	`cynyr`	`Illuminati: i just did it with tooltip and a string of "Fire Resistance"`
`12:25.19`	`sylvanaar`	`local server_tags = {`
`12:25.19`	`sylvanaar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:25.19`	`sylvanaar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:25.19`	`sylvanaar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:25.19`	`sylvanaar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:25.19`	`sylvanaar`	`}`
`12:26.10`	`Illuminati`	`good idea cynyr.. haven't fully explored it all.. wasn't sure how tooltip worked.. thanks`
`12:26.53`	`Nargiddley`	`careful using tooltip rules alot, they take alot longer to process`
`12:28.47`	`syeren`	`If any Ace addon developers need space for anything, let me know :P`
`12:29.18`	`nymbia`	`Nargiddley: did you end up caching those at all?`
`12:29.21`	`cynyr`	`Nargiddley: how do i use the name of an item, i would prefer to use that for most of my rules but it doesn't seem to work`
`12:29.30`	`Nargiddley`	`felibarr, think i've got it, just confirming`
`12:29.31`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: in UpdateSectionContents, what the difference between buttonnum and itemcount, it's quite unclear to me`
`12:29.59`	`felibarr`	`cheer`
`12:30.02`	`Illuminati`	`is there an easy way to get item id's? if thats the better way to sort stuff?`
`12:30.11`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, i wasnt even sure i'd put buttonnum into the section table`
`12:30.19`	`sylvanaar`	`Adirelle\|work: this is my idea http://ace.pastey.net/4890`
`12:30.19`	`Nargiddley`	`they might be the same thing heh :/`
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`12:30.26`	`cynyr`	`Illuminati: mendellev(sp) works for that`
`12:30.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Illuminati: alt-click on an item and looks for item information`
`12:30.40`	`benjdr`	`postal just delete my mail :(`
`12:30.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(with baggins)`
`12:30.43`	`benjdr`	`lost an item`
`12:31.04`	`Nargiddley`	`thats alt-rightclick now (to play nice with postal auto mail thingy)`
`12:31.55`	`Nargiddley`	`felibarr, Capping is hooking PlaySound. commenting that out fixes the target frame. problem found :D`
`12:31.59`	`benjdr`	`i just clicked open all in postal, it got the first item, then it said internal mail error, then the 2nd mail item disapeared :(`
`12:32.01`	`sylvanaar`	`nymbia: you wanna do the EU servers for glorylib? can you do em with what i put in there?`
`12:32.49`	`nymbia`	`sylvanaar: sure, remind me to do that tomorrow, i'm about to go get a bit of sleep ;)`
`12:32.53`	`Nargiddley`	`nymbia, nope havent got caching of rule matches even started`
`12:32.58`	`sylvanaar`	`no prob`
`12:33.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sylvanaar : looks like AceDebugModule :)`
`12:33.27`	`Nargiddley`	`have to figure out the best way to go about it`
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`12:33.48`	`nee-lap`	`Hm.. HonorFu now shows about double the honor the Blizzard dialog shows me`
`12:34.53`	`RotB\|Hate`	`hi there... does anyone know where to get the addon "Grid"? my version is old since yesterday and wowace still won�t be online... bad english, i�m a german ;)`
`12:35.03`	`felibarr`	`Nargiddley: rofl. thanks. ^^`
`12:35.08`	`nymbia`	`Nargiddley: i'll give it some thought as well :)`
`12:35.28`	`cynyr`	`odd finkels skinner isn't a weapon... according to baggins`
`12:35.32`	`nee-lap`	`RotB\|Hate: Wowace.com/files ist online`
`12:35.44`	`RotB\|Hate`	`oh thanks i�ll try`
`12:35.56`	`nymbia`	`night guys`
`12:35.59`	`Nargiddley`	`cynyr, alt right click it. what it its type and sub type ?`
`12:36.08`	`cynyr`	`ohh i see, it counts as a tradeskill tool now`
`12:36.36`	`Nargiddley`	`ah yeah, i removed those from the weapons category`
`12:36.38`	`sergio`	`you can skin with finkle's and the zg sword`
`12:36.53`	`sergio`	`very few people would actually use those as weapons i assume`
`12:37.00`	`cynyr`	`sergio: yep, no need for a skinning knife now..`
`12:37.13`	`cynyr`	`i used the sword for a while.. but the knif sucks`
`12:37.24`	`odt`	`wow, gamersloot.net just called me to confirm the payment on my eu key`
`12:37.25`	`cynyr`	`s/kinf/knife/`
`12:37.39`	`cynyr`	`s/knif/knife/`
`12:37.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Adirelle\|work: about buttonnum, I did put it in section frame, to handle layout`
`12:37.48`	`RotB\|Hate`	`haha 9kbps with dsl16k :D ^^`
`12:37.51`	`Adirelle\|work`	`stupid me`
`12:38.00`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: about buttonnum, I did put it in section frame, to handle layout`
`12:38.21`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, ahh itemcount was the same thing that i was already putting in`
`12:38.49`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: well... that's not really the same thing`
`12:38.53`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, I added it when i was putting in hide empty sections as a test if it was empty`
`12:39.07`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: with compression I think that itemcount can be greather than buttonnum`
`12:39.58`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, ahh i should have used buttonnum then`
`12:40.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: yeah`
`12:40.22`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: had a doubt about it`
`12:40.35`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, i think its 1 too high for the actual count tho`
`12:40.53`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: well I think I will end up using only section size`
`12:41.02`	`sergio`	`odt: is their download slow`
`12:41.06`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work since i was using it there as the index of the next button to setup`
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`12:41.15`	`odt`	`sergio: nop, don't have the link yet`
`12:41.20`	`odt`	`ok, just go it`
`12:41.46`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: oki, i'll do a littile change : sectionframe.buttonum = buttonum => sectionframe.buttoncount = buttonnum -1`
`12:41.55`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: sounds good ?`
`12:42.11`	`RotB\|Hate`	`thanks nee-lap, works fine now :)`
`12:42.15`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, i could also move the itemcount = itemcount + 1 to where its actually adding a button`
`12:42.22`	`Nargiddley`	`so its a count of visible items`
`12:42.44`	`Adirelle\|work`	`hmm`
`12:43.06`	`Adirelle\|work`	`your idea is better, but I didn't know where itemcount were used, so I wouldn't touch it`
`12:43.08`	`Nargiddley`	`i'm planning to split that function into 2 parts sometime as well, seperate the layout from adding items`
`12:43.23`	`Nargiddley`	`only used later in the function to test for > -`
`12:43.27`	`odt`	`sergio: it's pretty ok at the moment, downloading at 500kb/s`
`12:43.30`	`Nargiddley`	`s/-/0/`
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`12:43.45`	`Adirelle\|work`	`so yes, itemcount is far better`
`12:43.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`i'll change it`
`12:44.22`	`Adirelle\|work`	`and yes, splitting it into two part would be fine`
`12:44.56`	`Adirelle\|work`	`it opens door to different layout schemes`
`12:45.02`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah`
`12:45.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(and why not layout modules)`
`12:45.18`	`sylvanaar`	`Adirelle\|work: is there sucha a thing?`
`12:45.43`	`sergio`	`odt what are they straight isos?`
`12:45.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sylvanaar: what thing ? baggins layout modules ?`
`12:45.53`	`odt`	`sergio: nop, the beta dir it seems`
`12:46.02`	`sylvanaar`	`Adirelle\|work: AceDebugModule?`
`12:46.30`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sylvanaar: ah, no, but that how I would have called it :)`
`12:46.51`	`sylvanaar`	`Adirelle\|work: anyhow, i want to turn debuggong on for certain parts of my code- module would confuse it with AceModuleCore`
`12:47.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`that's right`
`12:47.30`	`DrZoot`	`hrmm, has anyone notcied that the names on the bg scoreboard have a different vertical spacing than the stats`
`12:47.40`	`DrZoot`	`so that at the bottom the last persons name is blank`
`12:47.43`	`Nargiddley`	`yep`
`12:47.44`	`sylvanaar`	`Adirelle\|work: this is meant to be entirely othagonal to modules`
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`12:48.07`	`Adirelle\|work`	`tbh, I won't try to touch AceDebug, I'm not in ace developpement since ong enough`
`12:48.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/ong/long/`
`12:49.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sylvanaar: is different part of your code in differents instances ?`
`12:49.12`	`Fisker-`	`oh my god`
`12:49.35`	`Fisker-`	`The someone asks me if he can disable that target disappearing bug`
`12:49.43`	`cynyr`	`i found a layout bug with baggins, if the name is wider than 1 box and that box is on the right edge of the frame the name will stick out over the frame`
`12:49.45`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(i think the answer is "no", why would you like something like that)`
`12:49.53`	`Fisker-`	`"Yeah sure, just go into interface options and untick 'BUGGY UI'"`
`12:50.08`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Fisker- lol`
`12:50.18`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : aaahhh`
`12:50.48`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: i can screenshot it here in a second`
`12:51.00`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : no need`
`12:51.08`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : I know where it come from :)`
`12:51.14`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: okay`
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`12:51.54`	`Adirelle\|work`	`the question is : can I blind correct it since I have no access to WoW, only to SVN...`
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`12:52.20`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: i'll be able to test it again here in like 5 minutes`
`12:53.05`	`sylvanaar`	`Adirelle\|work: what do you mean`
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`12:54.20`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sylvanaar: do you have one object (your addon) or have module-like subobjects ? (I presume you're talking of Prat)`
`12:54.21`	`sylvanaar`	`Adirelle\|work: yeah, I have a pattern registry the modules can use, i only want to see debug statements about it but the modules have code to call it too`
`12:54.37`	`Fisker-`	`Can i somehow hide the default ui raidframes with the new bug?`
`12:54.56`	`hiddin`	`hey does anyone know if musicstream is working i just added it but cant seam to get it to work`
`12:54.56`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: if you update the svn, i can test it for you, just i found the bug on my bank frame, and i'm in searing ourge now`
`12:55.02`	`sylvanaar`	`i also have a chat message splitter/parser`
`12:55.17`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr: i'm looking in the code to see how to handle this :)`
`12:55.32`	`sylvanaar`	`they are subsystems yeah`
`12:55.42`	`poptix`	`so what exactly broke MusicStream?`
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`12:56.27`	`Nargiddley`	`bliz 'fixed' PlayMusic()`
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`12:57.12`	`hiddin`	`so musicstream no longer works?`
`12:57.48`	`Nargiddley`	`if that was the addon that played http streams in wow, yeah :/`
`12:57.50`	`poptix`	`Nargiddley: fixed, as in it no longer accepts URLs?`
`12:58.00`	`Nargiddley`	`poptix, thats the one`
`12:58.22`	`hiddin`	`any idea if anyone is going to attempt to update it or try to make it work?`
`12:58.27`	`sbu`	`hmmm`
`12:58.35`	`sbu`	`is there something new at the dark portal thing?`
`12:58.44`	`sbu`	`(blah, they were talking about some quest CHAIN (!))`
`12:58.54`	`cynyr`	`sbu: horde/alliance and a small argent dwan camp`
`12:59.09`	`sbu`	`hmyep, i know that quest kill 6 felguards`
`12:59.14`	`sbu`	`but more?`
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`12:59.24`	`sbu`	`since its the 2nd day :p`
`12:59.55`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I had my very first wow dream last night, and it was about krull.`
`13:00.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: about OptimizeSectionLayout, I'm wondering if I could make it one pass...`
`13:00.44`	`DrZoot`	`I was in a group that killed krull today and the loot he dropped was frap`
`13:00.49`	`DrZoot`	`s/frap/krap`
`13:01.05`	`kenlyric\|work`	`he doesn't drop kazzak loot?`
`13:01.14`	`odt`	`had a wow dream last night aswell. me and some buddies in some not-yet-announced instance`
`13:01.15`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, hmm. saving the free space in each row and adding things to the first row they fit in ?`
`13:01.18`	`DrZoot`	`yeah, he does but we just lucked out`
`13:02.15`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it was strange. I aggroed him in EPL and pulled him to the dark portal. Probably related to all the times lately when I've tried to run away from a mob and they just stay attached to me LONG past the time they are supposed to reset.`
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`13:02.55`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: not exactly, tho it would be even more efficient that it is now`
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`13:03.13`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: I just thought dropping item count, and working only with section size`
`13:03.31`	`Stinkfot`	`yay wowaceupdater is done.. took 2 hours lol`
`13:03.33`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: rounding width up to next half-slot size`
`13:03.44`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, yeah thought that would have to be the solution to the title going out the side`
`13:04.05`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nice.. no maintenance on BC release day.`
`13:04.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`realms will have a full 24 hours to crash on their own.`
`13:04.33`	`CIA-17`	`03adirelle * r24660 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: Baggins: section titles should not go past right side.`
`13:04.44`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : could you check it plz ?`
`13:05.46`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: yep, gonna needa minute tho, helpinga friend with the tailoing quest`
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`13:08.10`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: but yeah, saving left space on each row can be used to make it more efficient`
`13:08.29`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: tho I'll have to save "anchoring point" too => more tables :/`
`13:08.36`	`Nargiddley`	`hm :/`
`13:09.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`unless I anchor all section from the bagframe`
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`13:11.04`	`Nargiddley`	`that would work`
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`13:11.24`	`nevcairiel`	`meh, not in here for two days, and lots of pings on my counter`
`13:11.56`	`Adirelle\|work`	`ahh but then... I'll have to remember relativey :/`
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`13:12.24`	`nevcairiel`	`Saroz: thanks for the style :D`
`13:12.47`	`Nargiddley`	`the free space on each row could be used to calc where to put it`
`13:12.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`so cleaner way would be to use a static local table per attribute, I hate that :s`
`13:13.01`	`cynyr`	`setting max catagory width and max frame width would be a nice feature`
`13:13.15`	`Adirelle\|work`	`from left yes, but from top ? i don't want to calculate max height each time`
`13:13.30`	`Nargiddley`	`ahh yeah :/`
`13:13.32`	`Nargiddley`	`hm`
`13:13.44`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`Goddamn you WowAceUpdater. Respond! :(`
`13:14.13`	`nee-lap`	`hands [Con]Rikkeh a book to read while the update does its thing`
`13:14.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`i'll end up with a "global" local layout_data = { width = {}; y = {} }`
`13:14.19`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`where can i get a full ace UI mods, is there one avilable on wowace??`
`13:14.23`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cleaning them up at beginning on the section`
`13:14.31`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/on the section/of the function/`
`13:14.36`	`Adirelle\|work`	`as I do with sectionlayout`
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`13:14.45`	`nee-lap`	`SeRaPhiCa: There are none on wowace. Try ui.worldofwar.net / curse-gaming.com / wowinterface.com`
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`13:15.16`	`anenigma_`	`hmm`
`13:15.35`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`You mean a premade UI? Build one yourself :p`
`13:15.47`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`nee-lap i dun like the ones there... there's always some other add-ons i dont want. i dont want non-ace`
`13:15.47`	`Stealthism`	`Is there an Ace mod that allows you to move the minimap icons?`
`13:16.10`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`No, but I use DetachedMiniIcons`
`13:16.10`	`nee-lap`	`SeRaPhiCa: Then make one yourself as [Con]Rikkeh suggested. It's the only way to get exactly what you want.`
`13:16.19`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`:S am too lazy`
`13:16.24`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`:'(`
`13:16.29`	`nee-lap`	`SeRaPhiCa: Then you have a problem :)`
`13:16.36`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: now that I got some solution to explore, I'll till the evening to try them :)`
`13:16.36`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`Well, start with Photek for example`
`13:16.40`	`Stealthism`	`[Con]Rikkeh: Thansk il look at it`
`13:16.40`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`And just play around with it`
`13:16.46`	`nee-lap`	`Good luck.`
`13:16.48`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`then i need help. help me :P`
`13:17.09`	`Adirelle\|work`	`SeRaPhiCa: you'll need help with pack too...`
`13:17.10`	`zirah`	`SeRaPhiCa: download the compilation and delete the addons you do not loke`
`13:17.18`	`zirah`	`like`
`13:17.23`	`nee-lap`	`And ask the author of the pack for help :)`
`13:17.51`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`hehe, wow really helpful :p`
`13:18.24`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`i was looking for an easier answer, but seems i have to move ma ass and get to work :S`
`13:18.26`	`nee-lap`	`Well, I don't think this is a general support channel and you have to put some effort into things yourself :)`
`13:19.27`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`that was my boss keeps telling me :o`
`13:19.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`SeRaPhiCa: it's better to try and learn by yourself than letting other to the job for you`
`13:19.55`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`that is what my boss was telling me *****`
`13:19.58`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/other to/others do/`
`13:20.00`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`Honestly, the first custom UI used was Photek. I hated it, so I just changed everyhint to how I wanted. An hour later it was unrecognisable`
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`13:20.24`	`Klazar\|work_`	`SeRaPhiCa: jsut go to one of those sites and look for "compliles" then filther through those that are Ace2 only`
`13:20.27`	`Adirelle\|work`	`SeRaPhiCa: then listen to your boss then, he's right`
`13:20.46`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`adirelle\|work are you my boss by any chance ??? :p`
`13:20.56`	`Klazar\|work_`	`From there you can remove/add wahtever you want via the updater`
`13:21.08`	`Adirelle\|work`	`SeRaPhiCa: no, i don't think so`
`13:21.27`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`oh good < reliefed>`
`13:21.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : any feddback on last revision ?`
`13:21.55`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/fedd/feed/`
`13:21.56`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`klazar : good idea.. will try that`
`13:22.06`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: well i haven't gotten it to go over the frame, but i have gotten names to overlap`
`13:22.08`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(one day I'll learn to type...)`
`13:22.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : at least I didn't introduce any typo`
`13:23.09`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`is there a ace mod similar to healbot? for healers`
`13:23.35`	`nee-lap`	`I doubt it.`
`13:23.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : one item section title overlapping right section title on the same row ?`
`13:24.43`	`cynyr`	`yes`
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`13:26.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : could you send me a ss ?`
`13:26.40`	`cynyr`	`it seems the spacing is done based on the item spaces, not the names and yes in a sec`
`13:26.48`	`Hjalte`	`SeRaPhiCa: You could try a combination of Grid, Click2Cast and GridStatusHealPriority`
`13:26.56`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`Btw, there is no ace alternative to SW_Stats is there?`
`13:27.08`	`Adirelle\|work`	`GridStatusHealPriority, is that new ?`
`13:27.26`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, got the section layout seperated`
`13:27.27`	`cynyr`	`umm where does wow save screenshots? it just told me the screen was captured...`
`13:27.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`wow install dir/screenshots/`
`13:27.49`	`poptix`	`typically, c:\program files\world of warcraft\screenshots\`
`13:27.58`	`Hjalte`	`Adirelle\|work: It will highlight the most important members of the raid for you to heal`
`13:27.59`	`Adirelle\|work`	`may need to convert them to .jpg`
`13:28.04`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`hjalte: three mods? sounds like i might get confused`
`13:28.08`	`cynyr`	`poptix: thanks, and thats easy...`
`13:28.18`	`Nargiddley`	`moved checking for shrink width to the UpdateBagFrameSize as well`
`13:28.24`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : it depends on people :)`
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`13:29.07`	`Hjalte`	`SeRaPhiCa: Install them one at a time :) Grid is a well, grid for the screen, showing you all the raid in little space. Click2Cast enables clickcasting, meaning you can bind eg Flash Heal to left mouse button. GridStatusHealPriority is a module for Grid, highlighting who you should heal.`
`13:29.21`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: gimp FTW`
`13:29.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`lol, nothing bigger ? :)`
`13:29.39`	`Natsume-chan`	`Hello everyone ^-^`
`13:29.46`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I personnaly use xnview`
`13:29.54`	`_neuron_`	`anyone but me getting InFlight errors? (database missing, I'm thinking it could be me installing it and using the druid flightpath before any other)`
`13:29.58`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24661 10Baggins/Baggins.lua:`
`13:29.58`	`CIA-17`	`Baggins:`
`13:29.59`	`CIA-17`	`- Separated Section Layout from adding items`
`13:29.59`	`CIA-17`	`- Moved Shrink width check from sections to bags`
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`13:30.45`	`Adirelle\|work`	`does someone knows a quick way to tell TSVN not to update externals ?`
`13:30.55`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`Hjalte: and when i heal, do i have to assign a heal rank or it heals based on the target's health?`
`13:30.57`	`Adirelle\|work`	`like, I dunno, shift-right click ?`
`13:31.06`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: bah, it's a tga by default... 1 sec`
`13:31.09`	`pastamancer`	`tell it to update to revision, and uncheck the box`
`13:31.12`	`Natsume-chan`	`I got the latest version of ag_uf and got no combo points again o.0;`
`13:31.13`	`Nargiddley`	`i've added Update to revision to the context menu and have to remember to use that :/`
`13:31.26`	`Hjalte`	`SeRaPhiCa: Having an addon cast different ranks based on health is no longer possible.`
`13:31.27`	`dafire`	`Adirelle\|work: you can change what should be in submenu and what options should be directly in right-click menu`
`13:31.47`	`jjb`	`Adirelle\|work: update repository or so`
`13:31.57`	`jjb`	`in the contextmenu`
`13:32.04`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`Hjalte: really? but i thought healbot does that`
`13:32.33`	`Hjalte`	`SeRaPhiCa: It used to, i know, but i really doubt it does it still. It would have to break the 'laws' set up by Blizzard.`
`13:33.17`	`Adirelle\|work`	`thx all, I hoped some mysterious automagical thing, but seems it doesn't exist`
`13:33.37`	`JoshBorke`	`pastamancer: do you sleep? o.O`
`13:33.48`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`Hjalte: damn, then your suggestions seems better :D`
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`13:34.20`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBorke: what's that?`
`13:34.25`	`Natsume-chan`	`sleep is for the weak as for me I'm just a pvp junkie ;>.>`
`13:34.36`	`pastamancer`	`JoshBorke: ;) I had to get up early to poke at a wedged server.`
`13:35.04`	`jjb`	`Adirelle\|work: http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ExplorerIntegration.html#contextmenus`
`13:35.07`	`Stealthismm`	`[Con]Rikkeh: Where abouts is the DetachedMiniIcons from? could find it in wowace.com/files`
`13:35.15`	`jjb`	`update to revesion..`
`13:35.37`	`Adirelle\|work`	`jjb: I knew it, just hoped they had put some king of shortcut`
`13:35.49`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`Curse-gaming`
`13:36.15`	`Stealthismm`	`Thanks`
`13:37.02`	`Proph`	`any online venders that sell TBC collectors and will mail you the key after midnight??`
`13:37.13`	`Natsume-chan`	`Was there a revison of ag_unitframes for 2.0.3 that had working combo points?`
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`13:39.27`	`Hjalte`	`Nargiddley: All in one sorted looks really nice :D`
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`13:39.39`	`Klazar\|work`	`I see Autobar was updated, is it working now with the this latest patch? Or is the beta still recommended`
`13:39.59`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`is there a ace add on that shows coordinates on minimap?`
`13:40.16`	`Silviu--`	`simpleminimap`
`13:41.00`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: http://aedammair.homelinux.org/~cynyr/pics/baggins.png`
`13:41.26`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: imageshack has stupid long links...`
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`13:42.33`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : though png is lossless, jpeg would have been sufficient :p`
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`13:43.11`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: still doesn't change imageshack, and bah jpg is encumbered(slightly)`
`13:43.19`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`do i have to have !!!StandaloneLibraries??`
`13:43.29`	`nee-lap`	`nope`
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`13:45.06`	`Adirelle\|work`	`hmm... does lua distinguish integers and floats ?`
`13:45.14`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: the overlapping text is "really really long n", that was the longest name i could put in`
`13:45.21`	`Adirelle\|work`	`so like, say 40/39 is not the same thing that 40.0/39.0`
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`13:46.11`	`Sole`	`yo`
`13:46.27`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`what should i install of cartographer? which extentations?`
`13:47.01`	`Sole`	`herb/mining`
`13:47.01`	`nevcairiel`	`isnt lua like "everythins is a string" ? :D`
`13:48.03`	`cynyr`	`SeRaPhiCa: i like quest and vendors as well`
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`13:48.35`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`cynyr i was just a bout to ask bout that :)`
`13:49.09`	`cynyr`	`SeRaPhiCa: they do exacly the same thing as mining/herb but for quests and vendors`
`13:49.40`	`JoshBorke`	`nevcairiel: :P`
`13:49.54`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`cynyr: thats good, i like that.`
`13:50.51`	`cynyr`	`running firefox, gimp, apache/mysql, WoW, and a few other things... needs more than 512MB`
`13:51.07`	`JoshBorke`	`little bit`
`13:51.34`	`Proph`	`any online venders that sell TBC collectors and will mail you the key after midnight??`
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`13:51.40`	`Hjalte`	`Nargiddley: Is it possible you could add a font size for the new marker. I use clearfont and with the default font the new tag is just a little too big`
`13:52.00`	`cynyr`	`ahh forefox and gimp get swaped out... apache/mysql go to sleep when not in use, and get swaped out.. so i'm good`
`13:52.49`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Proph: only if it were... (aka, no)`
`13:53.20`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: and yes the text still goes over the frame as well...just got back to my bank`
`13:53.28`	`Nargiddley`	`Hjalte, what i think i'll do is make it not a set width`
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`13:53.44`	`Nargiddley`	`so if its slightly bigger it wont goto *N...`
`13:53.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cynyr : I don't see what is causing your trouble, I'll need to do some testing, at home... so you'll have to be patient`
`13:53.57`	`Nargiddley`	`and just stick over the side ever so slightly`
`13:54.09`	`Hjalte`	`Nargiddley: You know best what will work :)`
`13:54.28`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle\|work: thats fine, :) thanks for looking at it`
`13:55.13`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: and what about glowing edge, à la "new spell glowing spelltab"`
`13:55.18`	`Adirelle\|work`	`?`
`13:56.13`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, already have a glow for the quality. diddnt want to interfere with that too much`
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`13:58.14`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24662 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: Baggins: New text should no longer get cut-off when using a slightly larger font`
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`13:59.59`	`Hjalte`	`Nargiddley: I'm experiencing something weird here. I have a category called BoE with rules set to boe and not soulbound. It used to work, untill i found out today that the bags have been reset, so to say. My selfadded categories were gone. And now I just can't get boe armor and weapon to go into my category`
`14:00.15`	`ilifin`	`~seen ominous`
`14:00.36`	`purl`	`ominous <i=HydraIRC@88-111-86-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 14h 54m 31s ago, saying: 'CrisCrOss: I do'.`
`14:00.36`	`Hjalte`	`Nargiddley: Forget about it... Applying once more helped.`
`14:01.45`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`which of the closetgnome extention shud i have ?`
`14:01.55`	`nevcairiel`	`the ones you need? :)`
`14:02.01`	`nevcairiel`	`i am happy without any of the extensions`
`14:02.09`	`vhaarr`	`yeah, that's kind of the whole point :P`
`14:02.15`	`vhaarr`	`"the ones you need", I mean.`
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`14:02.59`	`nevcairiel`	`so blizzard tried fixing [button:1] syntax in macros for cutomized action bars`
`14:02.59`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`lol. that not what i meant :) is there one extension that i have to istall for the mod to work?`
`14:03.05`	`nevcairiel`	`but broke it totally on the way :P`
`14:03.13`	`vhaarr`	`SeRaPhiCa: no`
`14:03.20`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`kk`
`14:03.58`	`Daemona`	`uhm is it just me or could it be a mjaor performance hook to "enable show cast bars on raid frames" with aguf? ^^`
`14:04.09`	`nevcairiel`	`sounds like it could`
`14:05.44`	`pastamancer`	`sounds like 0 performance hit if they're disabled :p`
`14:05.53`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`is there a mod to handle mass mail sending?`
`14:06.41`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`Postman`
`14:07.00`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`Or Postal, one of the two. :p`
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`14:07.33`	`nee-lap`	`Postal not yet`
`14:07.42`	`Hjalte`	`I don't think Postman can do it yet too`
`14:07.58`	`nee-lap`	`Indeed. Bulkmail can though`
`14:08.15`	`odt`	`just get some chinaman to mail for you`
`14:08.56`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`i should a chinaman to do everything fot me :)`
`14:09.09`	`nee-lap`	`hire for`
`14:09.42`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`Pedantry. <3`
`14:10.37`	`Adirelle\|work`	`gonna working, cya`
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`14:10.56`	`pastamancer`	`~pedantic`
`14:10.57`	`purl`	`well, pedantic is if you're going to be pedantic, be correct!!! (maxim #1)`
`14:11.21`	`Tekkub`	`I need an addon idea to fit a name`
`14:11.29`	`[Con]Rikkeh`	`Pedantry is the art of being Pedantic.`
`14:11.32`	`Tekkub`	`I want to write an addon named Finglonger`
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`14:11.39`	`nevcairiel`	`haha`
`14:11.42`	`Tekkub`	`but what would it do..`
`14:12.45`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`any good auction add-ons?`
`14:12.56`	`nee-lap`	`Fence`
`14:13.08`	`nee-lap`	`or KCI_Items`
`14:13.08`	`cynyr`	`kcitems`
`14:13.55`	`Klazar\|work`	`Tekkub: probably just the opposite of LingFonger`
`14:14.14`	`Tekkub`	`you fail at Futurama`
`14:14.33`	`nee-lap`	`They're different though, one allows easy creation of auctions, setting a default auction time, storing of previous prices you put something up for and the other is a bigger thing, which stores item links, etc. The former uses a large database, the latter does not.`
`14:14.44`	`Klazar\|work`	`lol dam... Bender my fav char too`
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`14:15.03`	`evl`	`olden goldie, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6309808024331178619`
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`14:18.21`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24663 10MrPlow/MrPlow.lua: MrPlow: Cleanup, ClickToRun defaults to true.`
`14:23.18`	`dafire`	`i am a bender .. i bend things.. 40 degree, 45 degree... you name it ,9`
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`14:24.01`	`Tekkub`	`thank you daf`
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`14:24.09`	`Tekkub`	`now, what should Finglonger do?`
`14:24.44`	`nevcairiel`	`remote control something`
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`14:24.56`	`Tain`	`Give someone The Shocker.`
`14:25.10`	`Tuikku`	`finglonger should be dependency for whatifmachine`
`14:25.46`	`Emex`	`A question; I manage to download the new bartender3, but still get the CD error. Anybody know whats up?`
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`14:28.04`	`nevcairiel`	`what CD error?`
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`14:29.04`	`Tain`	`"CD: Error - Get Bryan Adams out of the CD player now."`
`14:29.30`	`Peri`	`lol`
`14:29.45`	`Peri`	`that's a great line to enter on Tain`
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`14:30.17`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=37058`
`14:30.24`	`Tekkub`	`fucker misspelled my name`
`14:30.31`	`Tekkub`	`and got the middle name all wrong`
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`14:32.14`	`nevcairiel`	`cant get everything right`
`14:32.15`	`Grine`	`hey peeps`
`14:32.23`	`nee-lap`	`Hi Grine`
`14:32.30`	`Grine`	`I'm retarded, anyone care to link me WAU?`
`14:32.30`	`nevcairiel`	`this is going to be fun`
`14:32.39`	`nevcairiel`	`i already see people complaining`
`14:33.03`	`Tekkub`	`eh?`
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`14:33.15`	`Laricwork`	`http://wowaceupdater.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page`
`14:33.42`	`Grine`	`about what nevcairiel? Bartender gonna eat my epix?`
`14:33.54`	`nevcairiel`	`yours`
`14:34.05`	`nevcairiel`	`if that would be everything`
`14:34.06`	`nevcairiel`	`:;D`
`14:34.06`	`CIA-17`	`03nevcairiel * r24664 10Bartender3/ (Bartender3_BarStates.lua Defaults.lua Options.lua): Bartender3: use the shapeshift form textures to identify the forms, should allow people with a missing stance to have shifting right without user change. please report if it works for all of you :P`
`14:34.30`	`Grine`	`I know what I'm deselecting in WAU today ;)`
`14:34.39`	`Tekkub`	`like people read commit notes`
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`14:34.53`	`nevcairiel`	`at least i feel better`
`14:35.06`	`Tekkub`	`nevvy... can you convert over the Bart2_n52 module for me pweeze?`
`14:35.09`	`Tekkub`	`it's small )`
`14:35.12`	`Tekkub`	`:)`
`14:35.40`	`Grine`	`<--would report`
`14:35.42`	`nevcairiel`	`whats it do?`
`14:36.00`	`Tekkub`	`layes out Bar1's buttons in a special weird pattern`
`14:36.08`	`Tekkub`	`1 - 2 - 3`
`14:36.10`	`\|Kev\|`	`nevcairiel: does that fix that the keybindings get stuck on the bear bar, after shifting to caster, (using default bindings) or something else`
`14:36.11`	`Tekkub`	`4 5 6 7 8`
`14:36.19`	`Tekkub`	`9 10 11 12`
`14:37.06`	`nevcairiel`	`\|Kev\|: use bartender3 bindings`
`14:37.14`	`kenlyric\|work`	`bogus.`
`14:37.23`	`nevcairiel`	`hrm`
`14:37.27`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so silly.`
`14:37.28`	`nevcairiel`	`i guess i could convert it`
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`14:37.58`	`\|Kev\|`	`nevcairiel: the only reason I'm loathe to do that is that every patch day, or whatever reason I have bartender disabled, I lose all my bindings`
`14:38.03`	`Tekkub`	`well the 4x3 layout is fucking me up`
`14:38.09`	`Tekkub`	`I'm so used to my key layout`
`14:38.15`	`\|Kev\|`	`but I'll give it a whirl`
`14:38.17`	`nevcairiel`	`\|Kev\|: well then keep playing with missing bindings in bear form :P�`
`14:38.19`	`Tekkub`	`been using it for only a year and ahalf now...`
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`14:40.11`	`nevcairiel`	`3 - 5 - 4 buttons?`
`14:40.14`	`nevcairiel`	`thats a weird layout`
`14:40.14`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`14:40.23`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I never liked that about discord either. Bar 1 should default to using blizz built in keybindings, even if you switch bar 1 to another bar.It's functionality of the default UI, so people kind of expect it a mod to at least honor it.`
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`14:41.01`	`nevcairiel`	`thats what you think`
`14:41.06`	`Tekkub`	`yea nev, with two spaces in the 3`
`14:41.26`	`Tekkub`	`the pad is 5,5,4.... but I use 2 as ESC and 4 as SHIFT`
`14:41.36`	`Kanly`	`except what if bar 1 has less than 12 buttons on it?`
`14:41.39`	`Tekkub`	`so that I get 12 buttons :)`
`14:41.49`	`Tekkub`	`bar1 doesn't...`
`14:41.59`	`nevcairiel`	`bar1 has 12 buttons`
`14:42.00`	`Kanly`	`just saying in reference to the discord bitch above`
`14:42.02`	`nevcairiel`	`if it has less`
`14:42.08`	`Tekkub`	`oh fuck discord`
`14:42.12`	`nevcairiel`	`the bindings for the last is simply not used`
`14:42.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`and of course, when the mod breaks and you have to disable it, your keybinding are no longer correct for the default UI.`
`14:42.21`	`nevcairiel`	`in bt3 you cannot recycle unused buttons :P`
`14:42.29`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Kanly: Then bar 1 has less than 12 buttons on it.`
`14:42.42`	`nevcairiel`	`hrm`
`14:42.48`	`nevcairiel`	`if i can get the transition right`
`14:42.51`	`nevcairiel`	`i might do it`
`14:43.10`	`Kanly`	`you're missing the point, if you use a UI that utlizies all 120 buttons, but has less than 12 buttons on bar 1... how do you stay consistent with the blizzard ui default keybindings?`
`14:43.15`	`Kanly`	`answer - you don't`
`14:43.20`	`Emex`	`nevcairiel; this is the message I get after I use any spell with CD: Any pro know what this is; Interface\FrameXML\Cooldown.lua:4: attempt to call method 'SetCooldown' (a nil value)`
`14:43.37`	`nevcairiel`	`ive had that too`
`14:43.41`	`nevcairiel`	`but it went away`
`14:43.45`	`nevcairiel`	`after updating some stuff`
`14:43.51`	`kagaro`	`nevcairiel: does bartender do a bar swap for shadowform?`
`14:43.52`	`nevcairiel`	`dunno what it was`
`14:44.04`	`nevcairiel`	`kagaro: well it should, i dont have a shadow priest`
`14:44.06`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so bar 1 has only six buttons. 1-6 would still work on that bar, and 7 would do something else.`
`14:44.26`	`kenlyric\|work`	`kagaro: yes, it goes to bar 6.`
`14:44.38`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`sct is it updated to the last patch?`
`14:44.49`	`kagaro`	`kenlyric: thanks`
`14:44.59`	`Emex`	`nevcairel, did you update many of just some addons then?`
`14:45.06`	`Thorgard`	`Emex, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64627159&sid=1`
`14:45.11`	`nevcairiel`	`Emex: all my ace addons`
`14:45.32`	`Thorgard`	`"The cooldown frame changed type from Model to Cooldown"`
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`14:48.22`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24665 10FuBar/ (FuBar.lua FuBar_Panel.lua):`
`14:48.22`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar:`
`14:48.22`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:48.22`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:48.50`	`Emex`	`Thanks thorgard`
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`14:52.49`	Funkeh`	`heya`
`14:52.55`	`sylvanaar`	`=(`
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`14:53.46`	`nee-lap`	Hi Funkeh`
`14:54.01`	`Srosh`	`greetings`
`14:54.15`	`CIA-17`	`03nevcairiel * r24666 10Bartender3/ (Bartender3_ButtonClass.lua Bindings.xml Core.lua): Bartender3: use the default bindings for Bar1, and only Bar1 using overrides. All other Bars have to be bound using the Bartender3 section down in the bindings UI`
`14:54.18`	`Matrix110`	`i forgot how long it takes to install WoW...`
`14:54.19`	`Fritti`	`would ckknight mind if I added Lord Valthalak to Babble-Boss-2.2 ?`
`14:54.31`	`nevcairiel`	`nah just do it`
`14:54.43`	`vhaarr`	`Fritti: Make sure to add it to all the locales.`
`14:55.25`	`vhaarr`	`Not necessarily translated, mind you.`
`14:55.25`	`Srosh`	`lol, Matrix110`
`14:55.25`	`Srosh`	`why're you reinstalling?`
`14:55.25`	`Matrix110`	`because i cant install TBC on my beta client:P`
`14:55.39`	`nevcairiel`	`dont you even have any live version installed? :D`
`14:55.48`	`Srosh`	`not enough balls to try and see if an edited realmlist.wtf will suffice? :p`
`14:55.53`	`Matrix110`	`iam using the Closed Beta Client:P`
`14:55.55`	`sylvanaar`	`i was showing this earlier - the function call parts dont work obvously, what what about adding this to acedebug http://ace.pastey.net/4890`
`14:56.18`	`Fritti`	`vhaarr: =true ok?`
`14:56.18`	`Matrix110`	`and enGB client+deDE TBC wont work-.-`
`14:56.23`	`Srosh`	`that's true`
`14:56.27`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: Yeah, I've been thinking about that.`
`14:56.33`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: Do you know log4j ?`
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`14:56.47`	`vhaarr`	`Fritti: No, they should be added as comments to the other languages.`
`14:56.49`	`Matrix110`	`And Blizzard is to stupid to release TBC on DVD with all lanuages..`
`14:56.49`	`sylvanaar`	`vhaarr: yeah, its like log4j sorta`
`14:56.51`	`Nappy`	`what does happen with GMail an what is its alternative?`
`14:56.56`	`Fritti`	`vhaarr: ok`
`14:56.56`	`Srosh`	`tho' after Blizz finally got their language packs working in an acceptable way (after two years...), it's not so bad`
`14:57.02`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: I believe log4j has 6 levels.`
`14:57.06`	`Matrix110`	`because everyone that plays WoW hasnt got a DVD-ROM`
`14:57.09`	`sylvanaar`	`i have used many logging system log4j is nice`
`14:57.18`	`sylvanaar`	`im not a fan of levels`
`14:57.23`	`nee-lap`	`You mean, *not everyone`
`14:57.26`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: There might be room for AceLog.`
`14:57.28`	`zirah`	`Srosh: did they?`
`14:57.33`	`Srosh`	`Nappy, GMail is dead and Postal is its successor`
`14:57.34`	`sylvanaar`	`i like subsystems`
`14:57.40`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: indeed`
`14:57.42`	`Nappy`	`thanks`
`14:58.00`	`Nappy`	`and... oCB ?`
`14:58.05`	`Srosh`	`zirah, yeah, it now only installs the needed extra data files and doesn't mirror the whole installation like previously`
`14:58.09`	`Nappy`	`ag_UF ?`
`14:58.13`	`Srosh`	`nadas, www.fuxsake.net`
`14:58.16`	`Nappy`	`replaces it?`
`14:58.21`	`zirah`	`If i switched my ELP back to german i got english item names (< 2.0.3)`
`14:58.22`	`Srosh`	`ag_UF is alive and kicking`
`14:58.28`	`sylvanaar`	`i put in the mappings to other acedebug meanings but they really arent necessary just was a thought`
`14:58.53`	`Matrix110`	`zirah then you need to delete WoW/data/enGB so there is only deDE`
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`14:59.03`	`sylvanaar`	`AceLog would own`
`14:59.26`	`zirah`	`Matrix110: i switched to German because i wanted to test my mod :-P`
`14:59.49`	`sylvanaar`	`some kind of 'binary' log format for compactness`
`14:59.49`	`zirah`	`i play in english`
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`14:59.53`	`Matrix110`	`i would tell germans to cry me a river if the mod wouldnt work seriously they should get the enGB client...`
`14:59.58`	`Matrix110`	`and iam german:P`
`15:00.05`	`Nappy`	`yes i know, but does ag_Uf replaces oCB or why its not available?`
`15:00.18`	`nevcairiel`	`i havent had any problems with the language packs`
`15:00.22`	`nevcairiel`	`its working fine since 2.0`
`15:00.24`	`zirah`	`but i think this is a bug.`
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`15:01.20`	`beerke`	`Hmmm IF under attack bu Kruul`
`15:01.24`	`Matrix110`	`lol`
`15:01.31`	`Matrix110`	`Magni can tank Kruul good`
`15:01.35`	`Matrix110`	`so bring him to Magni!`
`15:01.39`	`Srosh`	`Nappy, ag_UF has nothing to do with oCB - former is an unit frames addon and the latter is a replacement for the Blizz casting bar`
`15:01.41`	`zirah`	`hehe`
`15:01.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`all he does is wander EPL on our server.`
`15:02.13`	`kenlyric\|work`	`he's like an afk clearer for LHC`
`15:03.41`	`beerke`	`magni got pwned`
`15:03.56`	`beerke`	`they wanted to pull him to bg npc's ...`
`15:04.15`	`Kanly`	`He was out in front of Undercity on one of the new servers last night`
`15:04.15`	`CIA-17`	`03fritti * r24668 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2.lua:`
`15:04.15`	`CIA-17`	`Babble-2.2:`
`15:04.15`	`CIA-17`	`- Add Lord Valthalak`
`15:04.23`	`Kanly`	`highest level on the server is 40ish`
`15:04.28`	`Matrix110`	`lol`
`15:04.34`	`Tekkub`	`aside from Kruul and the tabard is there any other bits to this "event"/`
`15:04.36`	`Tekkub`	`?`
`15:04.48`	`Matrix110`	`nope`
`15:04.51`	`Kanly`	`people kept trying to pull him to the guards to get him distracted`
`15:04.52`	`sergio`	`no it's retarded`
`15:04.52`	`Tekkub`	`psh`
`15:04.54`	`nevcairiel`	`what abard?`
`15:05.01`	`nevcairiel`	`*tabard`
`15:05.26`	`Kanly`	`the guards refuse to engage`
`15:05.26`	`sergio`	`there's a tabard quest at the dark portal`
`15:05.26`	`Tekkub`	`why must WoW evnts suck so much`
`15:05.26`	`Matrix110`	`Tabard= argent dawn tabard with a Use:`
`15:05.27`	`Kanly`	`they'd sit and eat shadowbolts`
`15:05.27`	`Tekkub`	`in FFXI they changed a bit every year`
`15:05.27`	`sergio`	`kill 6 felguards that invard`
`15:05.27`	`sergio`	`invade`
`15:05.27`	`Tekkub`	`it wasn't the exact same content 3 xmases in a row :P`
`15:05.37`	`Kanly`	`what's the Use: on the tabard? anything useful?`
`15:05.38`	`Tekkub`	`no sergio, tag 6`
`15:05.41`	`Tekkub`	`not kill :)`
`15:05.56`	`Matrix110`	`Kanly no its just a HOly Nova animation and a flex animation at the same time doing nothing:P`
`15:05.58`	`Tekkub`	`yes, Use: look totally gay, 5 min cooldown`
`15:06.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it's not even a new design. It's the argent dawn tabard.`
`15:06.05`	`Kanly`	`ah`
`15:06.18`	`sergio`	`actually I wanted an argent dawn tabard so it worked out`
`15:06.25`	`sergio`	`aside from the useless Use:`
`15:06.29`	`sergio`	`HEHEHEHE`
`15:06.34`	`Tekkub`	`yea the tabard is neat looking, but use is bupkiss`
`15:06.45`	`Matrix110`	`Tekkub i still remember BLizzard saying in beta times: We have LIVE GMs that change the world everyday with little or big events!`
`15:06.58`	`Tekkub`	`yea bullshit`
`15:07.07`	`beerke`	`does ace have a table.copy function somewhere ?`
`15:07.14`	`Tekkub`	`seee in FFXI events got you stupid essentially useless items too`
`15:07.15`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, I"m sure they did in beta.`
`15:07.17`	`sergio`	`considering i've seen the other side's event`
`15:07.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`how many realms were in beta?`
`15:07.22`	`Tekkub`	`but every year the event was different`
`15:07.26`	`sergio`	`the whole dark portal shit is pretty lame`
`15:07.33`	`beerke`	`or do i need to make my own table copy func`
`15:07.33`	`Tekkub`	`it wasn't the same stupid reindeer quest`
`15:07.34`	`sergio`	`i thought we had to open it ourselves`
`15:07.48`	`Matrix110`	`sergio ye many thought that`
`15:07.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it's not open yet.`
`15:07.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`If it was open we could go through it ;)`
`15:08.04`	`nevcairiel`	`you have to open it for yourself`
`15:08.05`	`Tekkub`	`they learned with AQ that opening was bad, especially for paid for content`
`15:08.08`	`nee-lap`	`I agree the event at the portal isn't very good.. And you become a Hero for killing 6 mobs, a quest of a few minutes? :\|`
`15:08.08`	`nevcairiel`	`buy the box :P`
`15:08.09`	`sergio`	`it basicly says you need BC to go through it`
`15:08.17`	`sergio`	`so yes it's open imo`
`15:08.18`	`Matrix110`	`i wouldve liked to see 60 warlocks channeling a spell on Dark Portal that it opens:-(`
`15:08.21`	`Tekkub`	`people would not be happy if they couldn't zone right in after paying for it`
`15:08.30`	`kenlyric\|work`	`sergio, it's said that since 2.0.1 patch.`
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`15:08.45`	`nevcairiel`	`specially with BC, i would hate not being able to go there :P`
`15:08.47`	`CIA-17`	`03fritti * r24669 10BugSack/BugSack.toc:`
`15:08.47`	`CIA-17`	`BugSack:`
`15:08.47`	`CIA-17`	`- Rabbit has been keeping this up, I am MIA`
`15:09.00`	`CIA-17`	`03fritti * r24670 10!BugGrabber/!BugGrabber.toc:`
`15:09.00`	`CIA-17`	`!BugGrabber:`
`15:09.00`	`CIA-17`	`- Rabbit has been keeping this up, I am MIA`
`15:09.04`	`sergio`	`blizzard is pretty clear when you need something else to open a gate`
`15:09.07`	`Tain`	`Especially since people are going to be logging in at 12:01 AM on the 16th`
`15:09.08`	`sergio`	`i.e. AQ`
`15:09.31`	`Tekkub`	`I honestly wish they'd sell fucking keys online`
`15:09.38`	`Matrix110`	`Tain thats not sure yet nobody knows if the Beta client will work ornot`
`15:09.39`	`Tekkub`	`I don't need a goddamn box/disc`
`15:09.50`	`Amadeo`	`Tekkub: ditto`
`15:09.51`	`Tekkub`	`but I'm sure WalMart would sue their asses for that`
`15:09.52`	`[Ammo]`	`the beta client won't work.`
`15:09.52`	`sergio`	`there's a place that's doing it but they seem so/so`
`15:09.52`	`Matrix110`	`ye i would like to Download the Client bymyself aswell`
`15:09.59`	`Tain`	`EBs will be open at midnight to sell the game.`
`15:10.09`	`Tain`	`So maybe 12:05am you can log in`
`15:10.10`	`\|Kev\|`	`blizz were originally saying that there would be an event to open it, in advance of the release`
`15:10.12`	`nee-lap`	`I like a box and disk. I ordered the Collectors' Edition :)`
`15:10.13`	`Amadeo`	`[Ammo]: No big deal, we can download it anywhere :)`
`15:10.18`	`\|Kev\|`	`that hasn't happened, so I guess they scrapped it`
`15:10.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Tekkub: Vivendi would never allow it.`
`15:10.33`	`nee-lap`	`There is an event Kev, it's just nothing grand.`
`15:10.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`the get kickbacks going retail.`
`15:10.36`	`Grine`	`\|Kev\|, hte "event" is started, only it's really small so far`
`15:10.50`	`Tain`	`Yeah it is the publisher that makes retail money.`
`15:10.52`	`\|Kev\|`	`well, the event, at least so far, doesn't seem to involve opening it`
`15:11.03`	`Grine`	`nah, that's true`
`15:11.03`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Rolling restarts on monday morning tell me there will be something we will need to do on Monday.`
`15:11.07`	`\|Kev\|`	`since it's already open for the demons to come through :)`
`15:11.10`	`Grine`	`since kazaak already did so ;)`
`15:11.10`	`[Ammo]`	`blizzard has hinted in the past needing warlocks to open the portal`
`15:11.23`	`[Ammo]`	`but guess that plan got scrapped in favor of a few million :p`
`15:11.31`	`nee-lap`	`True, but that's because the Burning Legion are breaking through. I doubt Azerothians wanted it to open, but now hty`
`15:11.37`	`notMusic`	`I dont think they would do an event`
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`15:11.44`	`Grine`	`nothing will be required of players to open the portal`
`15:11.44`	`nee-lap`	`*But now they're forced to defend and are taking the fight to the legion`
`15:11.49`	`notMusic`	`Not after they saw all the griefing with AQ`
`15:11.50`	`Kanly`	`who cares if the portal is open at midnight, as long as I can make my blood elf`
`15:11.54`	`bla`	`hi folks :)`
`15:11.54`	`snurre-`	`hm, not possible save bag positions in baggins?`
`15:12.38`	`snurre-`	`oh, nvm`
`15:12.53`	`Matrix110`	`The funny thing is in asia they sell keys and you can DL the client...`
`15:13.04`	`Peri`	`Different publishing laws`
`15:13.06`	`Matrix110`	`but US/europe=Vivendi needs money`
`15:13.12`	`Peri`	`and different distribution`
`15:13.28`	`sergio`	`asia also got to keep their beta characters`
`15:13.33`	`sergio`	`way back when`
`15:13.36`	`Matrix110`	`but well chWoW has like as much customers as eu/Us together aswell^^`
`15:13.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Matrix110: if we downloaded everything here, it wouldn't be an issue. But vivendi gets money from chains, and they also drive collateral sales of their own products.`
`15:13.46`	`bla`	`got a question, a few weeks ago, i had have a "ocb" Version with a enemy casting bar too, but now i dont find it on http://www.wowace.com/files ??? any ideas ?`
`15:14.02`	`Matrix110`	`bla it wasnt by hase someone modified it`
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`15:14.05`	`Matrix110`	`*haste`
`15:14.11`	`Peri`	`enemy castbar is built into ag_UF now`
`15:14.18`	`bla`	`but this version was great ^^`
`15:14.27`	`abbat_w`	`you can try antagonist`
`15:14.35`	`abbat_w`	`this is enemy casting bar`
`15:14.37`	`Matrix110`	`and Haste decided to put oCB off the SVN because he wants to drop Ace2 Support for most of his mods`
`15:14.38`	`kenlyric\|work`	`burn`
`15:14.39`	`bla`	`i use antagonist and i use ag_uf`
`15:15.02`	`bla`	`is there a alternate location für haste´s mods ?`
`15:15.03`	`vhaarr`	`bla: CBRipoff`
`15:15.03`	`kenlyric\|work`	`he should have fun with that.`
`15:15.12`	`Matrix110`	`fuxsake.net`
`15:15.22`	`abbat_w`	`antagonist, aguf and ocb for castong bar (i think ocb is most better cast bar) :)`
`15:15.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I don't see what the use is. If it's not Ace2, it doesn't exactly offer any other features apart from eCB`
`15:16.00`	`abbat_w`	`and sure, all bars uses charcoal texture... looks nice ;)`
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`15:16.15`	`Pkekyo`	`wth, why won't Bartender frickin let me enable/disable bars as I please?! -_-`
`15:16.18`	`bla`	`thx a lot :)`
`15:16.19`	`Matrix110`	`kenlyric\|work it uses 10x less memory:P`
`15:16.21`	`snurre-`	`why remove ace2 support? o.O`
`15:16.28`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Matrix110: sure... now ;)`
`15:16.48`	`Matrix110`	`using ace2 doesnt mean you use less memory in general`
`15:17.00`	`Tekkub`	`nope, never did`
`15:17.01`	`abbat_w`	`right`
`15:17.13`	`bla`	`btw: why do some of the long time Ace Coders now stop using it (Cladhaire too) ???`
`15:17.16`	`Tekkub`	`but a good chunk of Ace's community is losing sight of that`
`15:17.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`yes, but it uses a little thing I like to call "default profile"`
`15:17.56`	`dotted`	`Matrix110 it nonetheless helps :)`
`15:17.58`	`Matrix110`	`bla if you dont need Ace2 why should u use it?`
`15:18.19`	`Matrix110`	`and if you need just 1 part of Ace2 carrying around the whole libs is not much use aswell`
`15:18.21`	`snurre-`	`everything needs ace2!!oneone!`
`15:18.27`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, if there is any duplicated code in the mod, then wouldn't using ace2 be useful?`
`15:18.29`	`abbat_w`	`;)`
`15:18.40`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I mean, it has to have profiles and setting, which is handled in Ace, correct?`
`15:18.46`	`abbat_w`	`if you use reusable code from libs why not`
`15:18.47`	`Iceroth`	`because reinventing the wheel is fun`
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`15:18.50`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, profiles seem to be, at least.`
`15:18.54`	`abbat_w`	`but if you don't use?`
`15:18.55`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`what libraries should i have? am browsing through the addons list and i saw alot of libz, what are those anyway?`
`15:19.08`	`Tekkub`	`Dongle has profiles :P`
`15:19.09`	`snurre-`	`i would run ace2'd windows if i could`
`15:19.16`	`bla`	`because with the profiles, all the libs and the whole community its a great advantage over beeing a lonely wolf ^^`
`15:19.17`	`abbat_w`	`SeRaPhiCa, download !!!standalonelibs`
`15:19.22`	`Tekkub`	`snurre-, linux`
`15:19.29`	`Tain`	`No SeRaPhiCa do not download !!!standalonelibs`
`15:19.32`	`snurre-`	`Tekkub: lies`
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`15:19.36`	`Tain`	`You do not need any libraries separately.`
`15:19.37`	`abbat_w`	`why?`
`15:19.38`	`kenlyric\|work`	`the fact that SCT doesn't use the default profile bugs me to no end. I can't even seem to force it to use the default profile.`
`15:19.41`	`Tain`	`They are all included in the addons you use.`
`15:19.50`	`abbat_w`	`tain ;)`
`15:19.53`	`Tain`	`Download an addon, it will include all of the libs you need inside of it.`
`15:19.53`	`Sincerity`	`not all tain`
`15:19.59`	`abbat_w`	`Sometimes you can have a problem with you scheme`
`15:20.04`	`Tain`	`Downloading other libs is just a good way to screw yourself.`
`15:20.18`	`abbat_w`	`If different mods uses same libs but different versions`
`15:20.22`	`Peri`	`the libs you need are in the addons you grab, the point is, the functions and libraries use the same names so they're only loaded once`
`15:20.25`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`:)`
`15:20.30`	`Eternally777`	`SeRaPhiCa: The end user should not have to worry about libraries. If the user experiences issues with addons missing libraries, that's the authors fault, and should be reported to him/her.`
`15:20.40`	`abbat_w`	`Yes, loaded once etc...`
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`15:21.02`	`*** part/#wowace stadi (n=stadi@87.86.14.3)`
`15:21.07`	`Tekkub`	`however if the user has missing libraries and is pulling betas for the Ace server, they can't complain`
`15:21.11`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`oh i get it now`
`15:21.18`	`bla`	`ah now that i´am here ... where is the !!!Libs thingy, because i dont like that Standalone Libaries and to have all the Libraries in the Addons Directory ? :D`
`15:21.19`	`abbat_w`	`But imagine what happend if ora2 (for example) uses SurfaceLib v1 (included) and BigWigs uses SurfaceLib v1.0.1 (included)`
`15:21.29`	`abbat_w`	`which one be loaded first?`
`15:21.36`	`grzesieq`	`I want an iPhone :(`
`15:21.44`	`Eternally777`	`abbat_w: it would depend which mod was loaded first.`
`15:21.48`	`abbat_w`	`Yep`
`15:21.50`	`Tekkub`	`abb, doesn't matter`
`15:21.54`	`dotted`	`bla its gone :(`
`15:22.00`	`abbat_w`	`And sometimes you can have problems`
`15:22.02`	`bla`	`:( cry`
`15:22.04`	`Eternally777`	`The libraries are structured so that if an older version is loaded and a new version exists, the old version is replaced by the new one.`
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`15:22.13`	`abbat_w`	`Because one mod use one lib but old version`
`15:22.17`	`Tain`	`The highest level one will stay loaded.`
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`15:22.27`	`abbat_w`	`Ok`
`15:22.33`	`Tekkub`	`no Et, the old version doesn't load if the new one is loaded...`
`15:22.39`	`Eternally777`	`Well`
`15:22.40`	`Eternally777`	`Yeah`
`15:22.48`	`Eternally777`	`Depending if the old one is loaded after the new one or not`
`15:22.53`	`abbat_w`	`Are WoW have mechanism to make loading order?`
`15:23.01`	`Tekkub`	`anways... point is, users don't worry about libs :P`
`15:23.04`	`Matrix110`	`wow WoW installing is finished`
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`15:23.17`	`Tain`	`No, abbat_w. Not really.`
`15:23.20`	`Matrix110`	`only needed 30mins!`
`15:23.23`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`tekkub THANK YOU :) thats my answer :)`
`15:23.38`	`abbat_w`	`Sometimes i have problems because some mods uses same libs but different version`
`15:23.54`	`bla`	`so guys, enough talking, later ^^. btw: thx to Tekkub and the others giving us stupid non Coders such great Addons :D`
`15:23.56`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Matrix110: ah yes, but when wow installing is finished, it isn't really finished :)`
`15:24.01`	`abbat_w`	`And old one loaded first and second mod address method which didn't exist in old version lid`
`15:24.04`	`abbat_w`	`lib even`
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`15:24.18`	`Matrix110`	`kenlyric\|work i know now comes updating to 1.12 and then 2.0.1 then 2.0.3 -.-`
`15:24.19`	`abbat_w`	`Or author change syntax or something else`
`15:24.26`	`Tekkub`	`ha ha I get all the credit`
`15:24.31`	`Eternally777`	`-.-`
`15:24.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`therer's no 2.0.1 full install?`
`15:24.34`	`Eternally777`	`:-P`
`15:24.40`	`Matrix110`	`nope`
`15:24.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, i mean patch from retail.`
`15:24.47`	`Tain`	`Authors doing things to break libraries is the addon author's problem, not the library.`
`15:24.48`	`nevcairiel`	`nop`
`15:24.49`	`kenlyric\|work`	`that's kinda silly.`
`15:24.51`	`nevcairiel`	`you need 1.12 first`
`15:24.52`	`Tekkub`	`there never was a 2.0.1 on live was there...`
`15:24.54`	`Matrix110`	`me aswell:P but there isnt`
`15:25.00`	`abbat_w`	`Tain, yep ;)`
`15:25.04`	`Tekkub`	`or was it 2.0.2 that didn't happen?`
`15:25.08`	`abbat_w`	`But what about user? :)`
`15:25.08`	`kenlyric\|work`	`uh, 2.0.1 was the big major upgrade.`
`15:25.09`	`Matrix110`	`there was Tekkub until Wednesday Oo`
`15:25.13`	`Fraak`	`hello everyone, I dont have any real bissnes here but just wanted to thank all authors for there great add-ons. I can not play the game without you guys!`
`15:25.14`	`Matrix110`	`yes 2.2 didnt happen:P`
`15:25.15`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe there will be a 2.0 full patch on the BC discs`
`15:25.15`	`kenlyric\|work`	`2.0.2 never happened.`
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`15:25.23`	`abbat_w`	`They need to find old lib and replace it with new version`
`15:25.33`	`Tain`	`No, users should never need to do that.`
`15:25.33`	`kenlyric\|work`	`woo, I"m up to durability_fu`
`15:25.36`	`abbat_w`	`For me better if i d/l mods w/o externals`
`15:25.37`	`FtH\|Secret`	`.`
`15:25.41`	`Eternally777`	`abbat_w: Or they need to wait for an update.`
`15:25.42`	`Tekkub`	`okey yea, it was 2.0.2 on TBC until 2.0.1 went out, then it majickally became 2.0.3`
`15:25.50`	`FtH\|Secret`	`Cant update with wowaceupdater 8(`
`15:25.57`	`odt`	`anyone checked if it's already possible to connect with the beta client to the live realms?`
`15:26.07`	`nevcairiel`	`you cant`
`15:26.08`	`kenlyric\|work`	`odt: blizzard said no.`
`15:26.10`	`Matrix110`	`abbat_w if the libary got more than BugFixes mean API changes etc. the Major Version is changed and the libary gets loaded 2 times`
`15:26.18`	`odt`	`mkay`
`15:26.19`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`is there an ace add-on similar to druidbar??`
`15:26.21`	`Eternally777`	`odt: With the current client you can`
`15:26.25`	`Matrix110`	`the "old" version and the "new" version`
`15:26.32`	`nee-lap`	`Not that I know SeRaPhiCa`
`15:26.37`	`nee-lap`	`At least not an Aced one`
`15:26.44`	`Eternally777`	`Just replace the realmlist.wtf file. But you can't zone into Outlands because it's not considered 'the expansion'.`
`15:26.58`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`nee-lap so i guess have to use that one...`
`15:27.01`	`Matrix110`	`Eternally777 you need your account upgraded to TBC anyway`
`15:27.21`	`Eternally777`	`I know, but he asked if it was possible :-P`
`15:27.27`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`it would be nice if there was an add-on like druid bar attached to ag-uf`
`15:27.33`	`nee-lap`	`SeRaPhiCa: Yup, if you need it and it works`
`15:27.34`	`odt`	`Eternally777: that's what i maent`
`15:27.41`	`nee-lap`	`SeRaPhiCa: Agreed.`
`15:27.52`	`abbat_w`	`Matrix110, 1 month ago i have an error because BigWigs have new version lib and other mod have old version. Other mod produces some errors because new version of lib have changed syntax of some methods`
`15:28.01`	`odt`	`i don't have enough hdd space to hold both beta/live client anymore`
`15:28.12`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`nee-lap where can i post such request?`
`15:28.15`	`abbat_w`	`It's not a problem if you have some expirience but i have a panic at this time ;)`
`15:28.16`	`Matrix110`	`then the lib authors dont use the Major Version system as atleast Ace2 does`
`15:28.26`	`krka`	`duplicated code isn't really _that_ bad, code data gets compiled pretty efficiently to small bytecode`
`15:28.57`	`kenlyric\|work`	`krka: sure, for one or two mods. I have... many more ;)`
`15:29.12`	`abbat_w`	`no it's not bad.`
`15:29.21`	`nevcairiel`	`its only a memory issue, not a performance thing`
`15:29.27`	`nee-lap`	`SeRaPhiCa: In there somwhere I think`
`15:29.29`	`nevcairiel`	`memory isnt really considerd crucial`
`15:29.30`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`15:29.30`	`abbat_w`	`but sometimes this situation can confuse user ;)`
`15:29.40`	`Matrix110`	`ok i agree`
`15:29.41`	`Tekkub`	`shared code has it's advantages and disadvantages`
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`15:29.57`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nevcairiel: yeah, you use enough memory with your mods, and it impact performance.`
`15:30.11`	`nevcairiel`	`if it starts the swapping process`
`15:30.11`	Nazgul``	`hi`
`15:30.12`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah :P`
`15:30.18`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nothing like going through a GC at 110mb dur sartura.`
`15:30.18`	`abbat_w`	`Pff... performance ;)`
`15:30.20`	`Tekkub`	`define "use" though`
`15:30.23`	`kenlyric\|work`	`*during`
`15:30.25`	`nee-lap`	`SeRaPhiCa: Or on the forums when they're up, in the ag_UnitFrames thread`
`15:30.35`	`nevcairiel`	`well`
`15:30.39`	`nevcairiel`	`we talk about one-time use`
`15:30.46`	`Tekkub`	`there's a distict difference between using a lot of memory and creating a lot of garbage`
`15:31.03`	`nevcairiel`	`a contant memory use isnt that bad`
`15:31.06`	`Tekkub`	`using a lot of memory doesn't impact performance unless you're paging off to VM`
`15:31.09`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`nee-lap i will post there, as if anyone will lsn :)`
`15:31.16`	`Tekkub`	`which means the user needs to buy more fucking ram`
`15:31.17`	`nevcairiel`	`*constant`
`15:31.20`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, mods that use a lot of memory seem to create a lot of garbage.`
`15:31.33`	`nee-lap`	`Someone should. I think others are interested as well.`
`15:31.36`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Tekkub: or get better fucking coded mods.`
`15:31.41`	`abbat_w`	`Yep, Tekkub is expirienced with garbage collection. I read his message at forum ;)`
`15:31.43`	`kenlyric\|work`	`which is what I did.`
`15:31.54`	`Matrix110`	`a good example for alot of garbage is SWStats:)`
`15:32.02`	`abbat_w`	`;)`
`15:32.06`	`abbat_w`	`try necb ;)`
`15:32.18`	`nevcairiel`	`a base memory usage is not bad. a high fluctuation is.`
`15:32.18`	`Matrix110`	`i stopped using necb with 2.0.1`
`15:32.20`	`Tekkub`	`trust me, You can make a mod that uses a shitton of memory, but never makes any garbage coughPTcough`
`15:32.38`	`Tekkub`	`well that's not true, PT can make garbage`
`15:32.41`	`abbat_w`	`this mod have an button 'gc call' and read.me told you something like 'use this button before you have important fight' ;)`
`15:32.45`	`Tekkub`	`but it tries not to`
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`15:33.23`	`nevcairiel`	`look at all the Babble* libs`
`15:33.31`	`nevcairiel`	`they use some memory without any garbage, i hope`
`15:33.57`	`nevcairiel`	`and it will never impact your performance, unless you really run out of ram`
`15:34.04`	`abbat_w`	`maybe Babble just contain some string constant which never changes ;)`
`15:34.06`	`nevcairiel`	`(which shouldnt happen in any case for a game)`
`15:34.07`	`Tekkub`	`only garbage babble makes is from upgrades`
`15:34.30`	`Tekkub`	`abbat_w, that's the point we're trying to make`
`15:34.41`	`Tekkub`	`"use memory" and "make garbage" are totally different things`
`15:34.46`	`abbat_w`	`sure`
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`15:35.02`	`nevcairiel`	`lua needs a malloc and free :P`
`15:35.18`	`Tain`	`Ack no.`
`15:35.46`	`nevcairiel`	`or it should instantly recycle vars when they go out of scope`
`15:35.47`	`kenlyric\|work`	`but even "use memory" can impact performance if its unnecessary. at 768mb of ram, using 100mb of memory for mods means paging can happen a lot more frequently than it does at 30mb.`
`15:35.51`	`Tekkub`	`considering the quality of the majority of addons out there...`
`15:36.22`	`Tekkub`	`kenlyric\|work, and in that case the user needs more RAM`
`15:36.30`	`nevcairiel`	`kenlyric\|work: you can actually play with 768mb of ram?`
`15:36.40`	`Tekkub`	`if addons push a user into VM space that's a damn pitiful amount of RAM the user has`
`15:36.43`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Tekkub: or better coded mods.`
`15:36.44`	`nevcairiel`	`my wow is claiming 498 right now, without doing anything`
`15:36.56`	`kenlyric\|work`	`My wow is claiming 300mb.`
`15:36.58`	`Matrix110`	`playing with 768 would actually work without mods`
`15:37.10`	`kenlyric\|work`	`It used to push 500mb.`
`15:37.14`	`Tekkub`	`default UI takes about 10MiB`
`15:37.20`	`nevcairiel`	`(and my ui usage is 26mb)`
`15:37.24`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Matrix110: it works fine now that my mods use a lot less memory.`
`15:37.25`	`Tekkub`	`worst I've seen, with Auc loaded, was about 70MiB`
`15:37.39`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oh god, auctioneer.`
`15:37.44`	`abbat_w`	`My is about 300mb, i have about 23mb for mods initial and about 0.3-0.4kib increase mem`
`15:37.45`	`Tekkub`	`that's AUC with a LOT of data`
`15:37.50`	`Matrix110`	`Auctioneer is really a memory eater same for Lootlink`
`15:37.51`	`nevcairiel`	`kenlyric\|work: there is often a choice how to store data, faster lookup, or less memory, which would you prefer then?`
`15:37.52`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I once had auctioneer loaded in a fight and I think I hit GC at around 130mb.`
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`15:38.04`	`abbat_w`	`Tekkub, try to install EnchTooltip and Informant ;)`
`15:38.07`	`Matrix110`	`Lootlink uses 20MB+ with all items inside`
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`15:38.35`	`abbat_w`	`After 5 min of pvping you have about 50Mb ram and increase rate about 150-200kib`
`15:38.46`	`Vanish`	`Anyone know if there is a working Ace2 mod similar to IDCard, which is not working?`
`15:38.53`	`abbat_w`	`And gc calls every 15-30 sec`
`15:38.57`	`Tekkub`	`and yes, my WoW varies from like 250MiB to god knows how much, depending on where I am`
`15:39.09`	`Tekkub`	`Darny, lowest memory evar`
`15:39.11`	`kagaro`	`I never hit VM memory, then again ive got 4G of ram in my machine and while in wow usually sitting on 2G free`
`15:39.14`	`Tekkub`	`IF....`
`15:39.16`	`Tekkub`	`cry`
`15:39.21`	`kenlyric\|work`	`the point of my statements was refuting the idea that mod memory usage doesn't matter. Converting to ace mods was a hell of lot cheaper than buying more ram.`
`15:39.21`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`15:39.36`	`Tekkub`	`WoW will page out in IF if you run 1GB and do other shit`
`15:39.43`	`Tekkub`	`(leave WoW in background)`
`15:39.47`	`Tekkub`	`it doesn't with 2GB`
`15:39.50`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I also run windowed and do a lot of other stuff too.`
`15:39.59`	`abbat_w`	`lol ;)`
`15:39.59`	`Tekkub`	`I just upgraded to 2GiB for xmas :)`
`15:40.04`	`nevcairiel`	`i am running on 2GB as well`
`15:40.07`	`nevcairiel`	`its perfectly fine`
`15:40.10`	`kenlyric\|work`	`yeah, I need 2gb. But getting work to buy me more ram so I can improve my wow experience doesn't seem likely.`
`15:40.28`	`Matrix110`	`Ram is quite cheap atm`
`15:40.28`	`nevcairiel`	`get work for getting food, then? :D`
`15:40.28`	`krka`	`imo, if it's just utility functions, there's no need for libraries. libraries biggest advantage is sharing data in a safe and convenient way between addons`
`15:41.01`	`Tekkub`	`depends krka, look at Gratuity`
`15:41.05`	`abbat_w`	`If you have 768mb and try to enter central place at IF (between autction and bank) you always drop into ditch while wow make paging ;)`
`15:41.13`	`nevcairiel`	`yup`
`15:41.15`	`krka`	`also, using a lot of memory is almost as bad as creating a lot of garbage`
`15:41.16`	`nevcairiel`	`i had that on my laptop`
`15:41.20`	`nevcairiel`	`until i upgraded it`
`15:41.23`	`Tekkub`	`do we need every addon that scans tooltips making a new tooltip (or god forbit using GameTooltip)?`
`15:41.28`	`krka`	`because using a lot of memory would slow down GC for all other addons that do create garbage`
`15:41.50`	`nevcairiel`	`that still depends on the definition of "alot"`
`15:42.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`abbat_w no, not really.`
`15:42.30`	`kenlyric\|work`	`since 2.0.1 and my ace conversion my IF experience is greatly improved.`
`15:42.32`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`Bye Bye Everyone, home sweet home.... thanx for the help. i'll be back :)`
`15:42.41`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Though, trying to run through smoke in San Andreas still craps my machine out.`
`15:42.54`	`Tekkub`	`I'm honestly ready for TBC for one HUGE reason....`
`15:42.57`	`Tekkub`	`Shattrath :)`
`15:43.00`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`15:43.03`	`Tekkub`	`hello empty IF`
`15:43.08`	`nevcairiel`	`I wonder how crowded it will be`
`15:43.13`	`Tekkub`	`also hello easy ports to darny`
`15:43.24`	`Tekkub`	`(I code in darny, it's peaceful there)`
`15:43.38`	`nevcairiel`	`i usually code in moonglade`
`15:43.41`	`kenlyric\|work`	`yes, like the waiting room in hell.`
`15:43.41`	`nevcairiel`	`being a druid an all`
`15:43.53`	`Tekkub`	`I'll tele to Tanaris too sometimes`
`15:43.59`	`Tekkub`	`go stand on a hill and code`
`15:44.32`	`Srosh`	`like a true hermit!`
`15:44.35`	`xlvii`	`what the name of the quest for uh.. the tabard and 5g?`
`15:44.39`	`xlvii`	`for the dark portal?`
`15:44.40`	`odt`	`hmm, WoW-2.0.3.6282-to-2.0.3.6299-enGB-patch.exe on the beta client fails for me`
`15:44.44`	`nevcairiel`	`i always wanted to code in winterspring and get assrapped by an GM just for being there and not moving, but i guess druids wont get their farmbot attention :P`
`15:44.46`	`odt`	`and repais says it's not for that version`
`15:44.53`	`Tekkub`	`"Tag 6 felguard at the portal"`
`15:45.00`	`abbat_w`	`Ahha ;)`
`15:45.01`	`nevcairiel`	`that quest was great`
`15:45.03`	`abbat_w`	`nev ;)`
`15:45.05`	`nevcairiel`	`did it in 5 minutes`
`15:45.10`	`abbat_w`	`in 5 min?`
`15:45.14`	`odt`	`easy with a hunter`
`15:45.15`	`Matrix110`	`nevcairiel code in Azshara you get banned then!`
`15:45.18`	`abbat_w`	`heh, i try about 30 minutes ;)`
`15:45.21`	`odt`	`i just explosive trapped`
`15:45.29`	`nevcairiel`	`i just moonfire-spammed-flagged them`
`15:45.31`	`odt`	`and tapped all 6 in 2 minutes or so`
`15:45.34`	`nevcairiel`	`and some other guys killed them`
`15:45.49`	`Matrix110`	`nevcairiel one of our members got banned because she was 5hours with her guildless lvl 60 Hunter in azshara to grind money/herbs..`
`15:45.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`holy nova rank 1, baby.`
`15:45.53`	`abbat_w`	`first 25 min i was killed by opposit franction and 5 min for doing quest`
`15:46.03`	`Tekkub`	`the NPCs will take em down, you jsut need to tag em before someone else`
`15:46.20`	`nevcairiel`	`Matrix110: usually some guy will come to her and try to talk to here, if she doesnt answer then, she might be in trouble yeah :D`
`15:46.20`	`Matrix110`	`after like 10emails and the whole guild spamming Blizzard with mails she got unbanned`
`15:46.22`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Matrix110: lol... their banning investigations go a bit deeper than that. Trust me.`
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`15:46.54`	`kenlyric\|work`	`trick number 1: stop attacking the disappearing mob ;)`
`15:47.01`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`15:47.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`actually, report the disappearing mob.`
`15:47.11`	`CIA-17`	`03beerke * r24672 10KingOfTheJungle/ (3 files):`
`15:47.11`	`CIA-17`	`KingOfTheJungle :`
`15:47.11`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed food and diet table problems.`
`15:47.11`	`CIA-17`	`- Added auto db upgrade functionality for future possible db changes`
`15:47.12`	`nevcairiel`	`dont attack a big turtle named "targetme"`
`15:47.20`	`Mikma`	`:)`
`15:47.22`	`abbat_w`	`trick number 2: let NPC kill tagged by you mobs ;)`
`15:47.36`	`RaydenUni`	`what is wrong with grinding in azshara?`
`15:47.41`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nevcairiel: don't recall ever seeing one of those.`
`15:47.48`	`kenlyric\|work`	`RaydenUni: that's where all the bots go.`
`15:47.48`	`Matrix110`	`kenlyric\|work it was 4month ago and she just got logged out and couldnt login suddenly`
`15:47.51`	`RaydenUni`	`oh`
`15:47.57`	`abbat_w`	`RaydenUni, apriori all ppl in Azhara is bots ;)`
`15:48.05`	`nevcairiel`	`not all people`
`15:48.08`	`nevcairiel`	`all hunter and rogues`
`15:48.09`	`RaydenUni`	`well, all unresponsive people`
`15:48.14`	`Tekkub`	`yea I don't think anyone levels there`
`15:48.14`	`RaydenUni`	`those are easiest to bot?`
`15:48.14`	`Matrix110`	`then 10mins later email by blizzard banned for 3rd party program usesage`
`15:48.14`	`abbat_w`	`If you are hunter and you guildless you are 99.99% bot ;)`
`15:48.17`	`Tekkub`	`it's like BFA`
`15:48.19`	`zirah`	`abbat_w: hunters have a class quest in ashara ;-P`
`15:48.31`	`kenlyric\|work`	`most classes do.`
`15:48.33`	`zirah`	`so please at level 60 to that`
`15:48.46`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe she actually was using a 3rd party tool :P`
`15:48.49`	`Tekkub`	`"a quest" ~= "level in"`
`15:48.53`	`RaydenUni`	`what's so great about azshara for botting?`
`15:49.05`	`Tekkub`	`what's so great? nooone levels there`
`15:49.06`	`Matrix110`	`nope if you would know her you would know that she isnt able to use 3rd party tools.P`
`15:49.08`	`nevcairiel`	`the bloodelfs and demons`
`15:49.10`	`nevcairiel`	`dunno why`
`15:49.11`	`abbat_w`	`yeah`
`15:49.15`	`kenlyric\|work`	`RaydenUni: some very good money making routes, and no quests there.`
`15:49.20`	`abbat_w`	`elves, demons and blue dragons`
`15:49.28`	`nee-lap`	`Hm. My Bartender3 Petbar Icons seem to be broken, they shift to other textures often`
`15:49.29`	`steev64`	`and purple horseshoes`
`15:49.41`	`nevcairiel`	`the ogres in deadwind pass are common too`
`15:49.41`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Grinding on the demons is just awesome... Felcloth and runecloth and green drops OH MY`
`15:49.46`	`nevcairiel`	`you generally meet at least 2 bots there`
`15:49.52`	`RaydenUni`	`what's bad about quests? don't want to run into people?`
`15:49.56`	`*** join/#wowace Andune (n=andune@h-192-93.A148.cust.bahnhof.se)`
`15:50.01`	`steev64`	`the demons in azshara drop felcloth?`
`15:50.04`	`Matrix110`	`and in the end Blizzard unbanned her because they didnt have any evidence for her 3rd party program usesage after we spammed the support`
`15:50.05`	`nevcairiel`	`yea`
`15:50.06`	`abbat_w`	`yes`
`15:50.07`	`kenlyric\|work`	`RaydenUni: right. People can easily spot bots :)`
`15:50.09`	`Emex`	`The dropdown menu for Ag_unitframes are gone :((`
`15:50.10`	`zirah`	`steev64: yes`
`15:50.16`	`steev64`	`wow, i have horrible luck`
`15:50.31`	`RaydenUni`	`huh emex?`
`15:50.48`	`nevcairiel`	`Emex: fubar plugin`
`15:51.02`	`Hjalte`	`Emex: Tried with ctrl + alt?`
`15:51.10`	`RaydenUni`	`i feel kind of silly. i got back to school at lvl 46. then i bought some devout armor :P`
`15:51.18`	`Vanish`	`Azshara has a series of Mage quests there`
`15:51.18`	`RaydenUni`	`alt right click on ag_UF to get the men`
`15:51.22`	`Emex`	`What you mean? I never used fubar but I got a dropdown menu before I updated it. /afuf config Im pretty sure It was`
`15:51.28`	`RaydenUni`	`that also`
`15:51.40`	`RaydenUni`	`also there is a fubar icon for aguf`
`15:51.42`	`Emex`	`Hjalte!! ty!`
`15:51.59`	`Emex`	`Ctrl + alt works hehe :)`
`15:52.09`	`abbat_w`	`;)`
`15:52.24`	`Matrix110`	`oh Kaelten is back we get php back i think!`
`15:52.41`	`*** join/#wowace evl (n=fuckoff@c85-196-101-98.static.sdsl.no)`
`15:52.42`	`kenlyric\|work`	`lol`
`15:52.51`	`kenlyric\|work`	`probably not.`
`15:52.56`	`abbat_w`	`depends on traffic ;)`
`15:53.14`	`kenlyric\|work`	`considering I"m just now on Friends_Fu after an hour, I'm guessing not.`
`15:53.16`	`steev64`	`here's something funny for ya`
`15:53.20`	`steev64`	`we lost 2 guild members last night over the dog whistle in SM`
`15:53.28`	`steev64`	`why 2 level 60s were fighting over something that either could easily solo... i have no idea`
`15:53.31`	`*** join/#wowace Wogroipl (n=chatzill@c529d069b.cable.wanadoo.nl)`
`15:53.34`	`RaydenUni`	`lol`
`15:53.42`	`RaydenUni`	`they quit over it?`
`15:53.48`	`kenlyric\|work`	`wait, what dog whislte?`
`15:53.48`	`Tekkub`	`wow, your guild sucks`
`15:53.49`	`RaydenUni`	`this why i pretty much only play with friends`
`15:53.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`this sounds like a pet!`
`15:54.01`	`steev64`	`apparently it was on ffa, and the mage took it`
`15:54.06`	`steev64`	`and the paladin got pissed`
`15:54.13`	`steev64`	`and they started swearing at each other`
`15:54.13`	`syeren`	`I want to update my addons so badly.`
`15:54.14`	`RaydenUni`	`there is some dog you can summon. unfortunately he sort of roams around and aggros stuff :P`
`15:54.17`	`Hjalte`	`That dog whistle is like.. Bad..`
`15:54.19`	Nazgul``	`hi everyone`
`15:54.19`	`steev64`	`and both quit`
`15:54.22`	`syeren`	`But can't because the server is so slow :(`
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`15:54.30`	`abbat_w`	`ahhah, lol ;)`
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`15:54.41`	`Thorgard`	`steev64, that's hilarious. ;P`
`15:54.42`	`syeren`	`Kael, you need to do something so those of us who donate have special access :p`
`15:54.43`	`zirah`	`and the dog is ugly`
`15:54.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`uh... FFA + autoloot is a bad idea unless you don't care where stuff goes.`
`15:54.44`	`Matrix110`	`Dog_Whistle drops like every 2nd time you do him`
`15:54.46`	`snirks`	`tuller, are you here?`
`15:54.48`	`abbat_w`	`gquit because don't get useless 3 charge whistle ;)`
`15:54.52`	`kenlyric\|work`	`can't really blame somebody for taking something on FFA.`
`15:54.52`	`Hjalte`	`syeren: just update any addons with problems.. Or open your wowaceuodater and go have fun with your girlfriend or something ;)`
`15:55.10`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oh, it only has 3 charges? meh. Not a pet.`
`15:55.16`	`steev64`	`i dunno, i normally just play with my girlfriend, its ffa and she does all the looting`
`15:55.16`	`snirks`	`Is Tuller working alone on sage uf, or is anyone else working on it?`
`15:55.22`	`RaydenUni`	`i have a chicken`
`15:55.27`	`*** join/#wowace Arjor (n=asnast@bzq-179-108-188.cablep.bezeqint.net)`
`15:55.30`	Nazgul``	`can anyone suggest me any UI mod for a beginner? I have never used any ui before...besides the default wow ui....and i want something different now...after seeing all various screenshots`
`15:55.32`	`snirks`	`!seen tuller`
`15:55.37`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I collect pets when I can.`
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`15:55.49`	`RaydenUni`	Nazgul`` Bartender3 will let you rearrage your icon bars
`15:55.52`	`Hjalte`	`Try doing your own with ag_unitframes and bartender3`
`15:55.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`had a ton on my last priest, but hey, I got the spider on this one.`
`15:55.57`	`Pixlolz`	`hi .`
`15:55.57`	`zirah`	`my mage has the Spirit of Summer (and some other pets on bank)`
`15:56.00`	`RaydenUni`	`ag_UnitFrames will replace the unit images`
`15:56.07`	`steev64`	`i still have my ticking present`
`15:56.14`	`Matrix110`	`Nazgul i would suggest starting with a UI compilation`
`15:56.17`	`RaydenUni`	`oh, the website is down`
`15:56.18`	`zirah`	`but the Spirit is nice for a mage`
`15:56.21`	`abbat_w`	`Anyone have Oozling pet?`
`15:56.24`	`Srosh`	`ffs, I don't care if GM tickets are unavailable atm! <<`
`15:56.30`	`zirah`	`abbat_w: no :-(`
`15:56.41`	`Vanish`	`Speaking of which, I wish ag was here. I still can't get ag_UF to display Auras DOWN instead of RIGHT/LEFT`
`15:56.45`	`Arjor`	`guys anyone using Antagonist. I have a small problem. How can i hide the Anchor titles ?`
`15:56.46`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I had 13 on my old priest.`
`15:56.48`	`Arjor`	`anyone has an idea?`
`15:56.55`	`abbat_w`	`I try to farm it, loot ~ 20 bags and still don't get ;(`
`15:57.02`	`Matrix110`	`Arjor got Fubar?`
`15:57.15`	`abbat_w`	`Arjor: just remove titles from menu`
`15:57.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`abbat_w... loot about 200 bags and you might get closer to it.`
`15:57.20`	`zirah`	`abbat_w: same for me`
`15:57.25`	`nee-lap`	`Hm. How would I make a er.. hm.. area at the bottom of my screen, which doesn't have rendered WoW? I'm not sure what to call it, but I have seen it in various screenshots. Oh, wait, I think it has something to do with a customized viewport, but how I would do that is a mystery to me for now.`
`15:57.26`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it's a .1% drop rate, I think?`
`15:57.30`	`RaydenUni`	`what is?`
`15:57.31`	`nee-lap`	`*an area`
`15:57.32`	`Matrix110`	`get DeuceCommander then you can do it via dewdrop menu`
`15:57.52`	`abbat_w`	`Arjor: just remove text in textboxes and you have no titles`
`15:57.53`	`Arjor`	`Matrix110 ye`
`15:57.58`	`Jens`	`<kenlyric\|work> it's a .1% drop rate, I think? <-- What is?`
`15:58.00`	`RaydenUni`	`why is the wowace.com site down? too much bandwidth?`
`15:58.07`	`kenlyric\|work`	`the disgusting oozling.`
`15:58.13`	`Jens`	`Oh that.`
`15:58.17`	`RaydenUni`	`what's it do? a pet?`
`15:58.18`	`Arjor`	`how do you remove the text abbat_w`
`15:58.20`	`Matrix110`	`Disgusting Oozeling owns`
`15:58.22`	`Matrix110`	`i got it<3`
`15:58.22`	`Arjor`	`what's the command ?`
`15:58.27`	Nazgul``	`i was looking at this screenshot...and i like those little round action buttons..`
`15:58.28`	Nazgul``	`http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9345/smellyuiee3.jpg`
`15:58.33`	`Jens`	`The pet I hate the most is that mechanical robot that engineers make.`
`15:58.36`	`abbat_w`	`Arjor: i use deuce commander with fubar`
`15:58.42`	`Arjor`	`me 2`
`15:58.47`	`Jens`	`It's noisy, and someone from my guild always has it out during raids.`
`15:58.50`	`Wogroipl`	`nee-lap: Skinner has an option to make a viewport`
`15:58.54`	`abbat_w`	`Arjor: but antagonist have command line interface to setup empty titles`
`15:58.58`	`Mikma`	Nazgul``: cyCircled
`15:58.59`	`Vanish`	`Nazgul: CyCircled`
`15:59.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Jens: doesn't it cause a debuff?`
`15:59.06`	`evl`	`Why do all Fubar options come up twice when attached to minimap?`
`15:59.14`	`RaydenUni`	Nazgul`` i think Bartender3 can do the circles
`15:59.15`	`Vanish`	`evl: They don't?`
`15:59.16`	`Matrix110`	`they dont evl Oo`
`15:59.17`	`Jens`	`It's come to a point where I feel like haxxing around the data files and replacing its sound with null.wav`
`15:59.21`	`Arjor`	`oh oh`
`15:59.23`	`Arjor`	`got it`
`15:59.35`	`Jens`	`kenlyric\|work: No, but the oozeling does.`
`15:59.42`	`abbat_w`	`Arjor: just set empty titles. And you don't need anything else ;)`
`15:59.43`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Jens: so you're one of those people I can annoy with inner focus?`
`15:59.55`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Jens: that's what I"m talking about... doesn't he oozling give people around them a debufff?`
`16:00.00`	`Jens`	`Yes... though I can annoy others with it too :)`
`16:00.01`	`evl`	`They do?`
`16:00.05`	Nazgul``	`ok...so i just download bertender3, ag_unitframes...and work up from there?`
`16:00.06`	`evl`	`Position, enabled, attach come up twice.`
`16:00.07`	`Jens`	`kenlyric\|work: Only owner.`
`16:00.07`	`Matrix110`	`Oozeling gives his owner a debuff`
`16:00.12`	`*** part/#wowace Eternally777 (n=Eternall@pool-71-254-223-40.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net)`
`16:00.14`	`RaydenUni`	Nazgul`` also get Fubar
`16:00.16`	`abbat_w`	`Only yo owner`
`16:00.23`	`RaydenUni`	`its a bar for all the other fubar plugins to sit in`
`16:00.27`	`abbat_w`	`Make you some green and lower you stats`
`16:00.27`	`kenlyric\|work`	`awww, the crowd at the dark portal is gone.`
`16:00.29`	`RaydenUni`	`but yeah those are the big ones`
`16:00.31`	Nazgul``	`ok`
`16:00.50`	Nazgul``	`and i can find all these on http://www.wowace.com/files/..right?`
`16:01.00`	`Matrix110`	`yes`
`16:01.06`	`abbat_w`	`yes`
`16:01.12`	`abbat_w`	`also try oCB ;)`
`16:01.15`	Nazgul``	`thank you....i appreciate all the help`
`16:01.20`	`abbat_w`	`this is replace for casting bar ;)`
`16:01.20`	`nee-lap`	`Wogroipl: Thanks, I'll check it out`
`16:01.26`	`abbat_w`	`looks very nice`
`16:01.33`	`RaydenUni`	`Use: Right Click to summon and dismiss your disgusting oozeling. Your oozeling has a disgusting aura about him and will significantly reduce your defenses while he is around.`
`16:01.36`	`RaydenUni`	`very nice`
`16:01.44`	`*** join/#wowace Anias (n=Anias@ip2-32.gables-pin-oak-green.hou.ygnition.net)`
`16:01.46`	`RaydenUni`	Nazgul`` get the AceUpdater. use it to download the plugins
`16:02.32`	`abbat_w`	`rare pet btw ;)`
`16:02.38`	`kenlyric\|work`	`did that change?`
`16:02.42`	`abbat_w`	`on my server i never see it`
`16:02.52`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Maybe I'm stroking out, but I remember the tooltip differently.`
`16:03.04`	`RaydenUni`	`that's from thottbot`
`16:03.06`	`Wogroipl`	`how is the server doing today? should I try to update now or is it better to wait a couple of days?`
`16:03.06`	Nazgul``	`ohh..just get aceupdater..and it will download all the plugins i want?`
`16:03.13`	`RaydenUni`	Nazgul`` yes.
`16:03.19`	Nazgul``	`cool`
`16:03.25`	`RaydenUni`	`it is`
`16:03.48`	`abbat_w`	`Nazgul, and you can make update of all you plugins with just 2 mouse hit...`
`16:03.57`	`*** join/#wowace trollomat (n=troll@p54BE20ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`16:04.10`	`abbat_w`	`all you aced plugins which on svn ;)`
`16:04.12`	Nazgul``	`do you guys have screenshots of your UI? i'd like to see some`
`16:04.33`	`RaydenUni`	`http://onefile.raydenuni.com/one_file/onefile/1/QirajiBattleTank_UI.jpg`
`16:04.36`	`RaydenUni`	`mine`
`16:04.42`	`RaydenUni`	`a little outdated, but mostly the same`
`16:04.58`	`RaydenUni`	`i moved the fubar on the bottom to the top`
`16:05.01`	`trollomat`	`agufFu has become redundant, that right?`
`16:05.02`	`abbat_w`	`http://cow.efnet.org/~abbat/WoWScrnShot_120706_185503.jpg`
`16:05.03`	`abbat_w`	`;)`
`16:05.08`	`RaydenUni`	`the popups keps getting in the way of my skills`
`16:05.17`	`*** join/#wowace Simple (i=Simple@c-69-180-251-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)`
`16:05.18`	`RaydenUni`	`a problem when your tank is dying and the popup comes over the healing spells`
`16:05.22`	`abbat_w`	`this is mine. not new but with bt3 and aguf and fubar`
`16:05.40`	`RaydenUni`	`how did you move the minimap?`
`16:05.54`	`abbat_w`	`squeenix`
`16:06.09`	`abbat_w`	`make minimap square and move it around screen`
`16:06.17`	`RaydenUni`	`nice`
`16:06.19`	Nazgul``	`i like that...squaremap`
`16:06.26`	`Wogroipl`	Nazgul``: my UI outside raid http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/Luqu/WogUI.jpg and in raid http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/Luqu/RaidUI.jpg
`16:06.42`	`Wogroipl`	`I changed the raidframes for Grid now tho`
`16:06.48`	`*** join/#wowace Elkano (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-184.handshake.de)`
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`16:07.40`	Nazgul``	`thats a pretty fancy ui... Wogroipl...`
`16:07.47`	`Wogroipl`	`thanks :)`
`16:07.51`	`snirks`	`may i suggest using lowest UI scale before you start with the addons`
`16:08.09`	`snirks`	`unless you're gonna skin everything`
`16:08.14`	`RaydenUni`	`hey what is the plugin that shows all the dps in your party?`
`16:08.15`	`snirks`	`or whatever`
`16:08.21`	`Iceroth`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, who broke BT3 >.<`
`16:08.26`	`snirks`	`damage meters or sw stats`
`16:08.28`	`Vanish`	`trollmat: Yes`
`16:08.30`	`Iceroth`	`stance bars gone from my druid`
`16:08.32`	Funkeh`	`~seen totalpackage`
`16:08.55`	`purl`	i haven't seen 'totalpackage', Funkeh`
`16:08.55`	`kenlyric\|work`	`except maybe aguf.. I swear aguf windows must be pretty small on 100% UI scale, because they're are TINY at small UI scale.`
`16:08.55`	`Wogroipl`	`RaydenUni: did you mean on my screen?`
`16:08.55`	`RaydenUni`	`yes`
`16:08.57`	`DrZoot`	`does oneview / onestorage work?`
`16:08.57`	`RaydenUni`	`KTM or something`
`16:09.01`	`Wogroipl`	`that's SWStats`
`16:09.07`	`snirks`	`~seen tuller`
`16:09.12`	`purl`	`tuller <n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 11h 51m 1s ago, saying: 'that one required an alt+f4 :)'.`
`16:09.13`	`Wogroipl`	`and Fubar SWStats`
`16:09.31`	Nazgul``	`i run the game on 1600x1200...i want small ui buttons/bars..so i get more screen realestate`
`16:09.42`	`KarlThePagan`	`i don't like swstats addon channel spam during combat`
`16:09.47`	`Wogroipl`	`most addons let`
`16:09.49`	`RaydenUni`	`is swstats ace? i dont see it in the updater`
`16:09.50`	`snirks`	`nazgul nice choice`
`16:09.54`	`Prophy`	`what battlechat mod do?`
`16:09.56`	`KarlThePagan`	`too many people leave it on all the time`
`16:10.01`	`syeren`	`Sigh.`
`16:10.01`	`Wogroipl`	`it's not an Ace2 mod`
`16:10.05`	`syeren`	`I want to fucking update my addons.`
`16:10.08`	`syeren`	`---`
`16:10.08`	`RaydenUni`	Nazgul`` bartender lets you change the scale of everything
`16:10.09`	`snirks`	`nazgul, if you really wanna go all out performance, use cr_viewport for changing viewport`
`16:10.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh ct_viewport is the only ct i still use`
`16:10.54`	`snirks`	`also, and this may only be me, but bt3 (with 1GB ram) greates a small millisecond of lag when a bar has its pages changed`
`16:10.55`	`Tain`	`Apeture`
`16:11.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`apeture?`
`16:11.03`	`snirks`	`bongos does not have this problem (for me)`
`16:11.08`	`Tain`	`Instead of CT_Viewport`
`16:11.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`k thx lol`
`16:11.25`	Nazgul``	`i got 2gb system ram...dont think i should have a problem with that`
`16:11.28`	`nee-lap`	`Um`
`16:11.35`	`nee-lap`	`Some addon is breaking icons in my interface`
`16:11.40`	`nee-lap`	`Now my buff icons are messed up`
`16:11.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`what's your vid card naz?`
`16:11.58`	Nazgul``	`nvidia quadro 4000`
`16:11.58`	`snirks`	`KarlThePagan: cr_viewport takes ct_viewports' 300+ lines of xml and lua and makes it "a measly 7 lines of lua code". you hardcode the value of the viewport into the lua file, and then check with /console reloadui`
`16:12.00`	`Tain`	`Having tons of RAM doesn't make any difference after a certain point.`
`16:12.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`snirks, well i kinda like his ui`
`16:12.29`	`Tain`	`In WoW, I mean.`
`16:12.31`	`Tain`	`Not in general.`
`16:12.31`	`RaydenUni`	`change viewport?`
`16:12.33`	`AniasRB`	`#Agreed Karl, I wish slouken would steal the swstats and internalize it - it'd save quite a bit of traffic on the clients.`
`16:12.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`i'll try apeture`
`16:12.39`	`nevcairiel`	`you can start to stuff wow onto a ramdrive :P`
`16:13.00`	`syeren`	`Kael.`
`16:13.07`	`syeren`	`Restart the server!`
`16:13.10`	`syeren`	`So I can get my addons :p`
`16:13.14`	`*** join/#wowace Lockarn (n=spank@ti511210a080-11436.bb.online.no)`
`16:13.16`	`Lockarn`	`yo`
`16:13.23`	`Boobies4u`	`i need aid`
`16:13.34`	`abbat_w`	`;)`
`16:13.40`	`RaydenUni`	`i wish the updater had a search`
`16:13.43`	`snirks`	`im just saying that bongos does not produce the hacking effect for me when changing pages that bt3 does`
`16:13.52`	`nee-lap`	`Is squeenix an alternative to Simpleminimap or should they be used in conjunction if you wish to hide zoom/location bits`
`16:14.00`	`snirks`	`and if bt3 didn't either, i'd change to bt3 in an instant due to win ace updater`
`16:14.05`	`syeren`	`All the addons are downloading at 0KB /s for me.`
`16:14.06`	`snirks`	`nee-lap: it is`
`16:14.09`	`abbat_w`	`nee-lap, alternative`
`16:14.12`	`syeren`	`Yet the page renders rather quickly.`
`16:14.13`	`syeren`	`:(`
`16:14.25`	`abbat_w`	`nee-lap, you can zoomin/out with squeenix`
`16:14.27`	`RaydenUni`	`i just got 3 plugins just now`
`16:14.27`	Nazgul``	`i was thinking of trying out this full package...mazzleui`
`16:14.29`	Nazgul``	`http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mazzleui100106partyzu1.jpg`
`16:14.34`	`Boobies4u`	`Ace2: Your pet bar has been tained, enable the "lock the pet bar" in the chatframe module or /rl the ui`
`16:14.35`	`Boobies4u`	`guys`
`16:14.41`	`nee-lap`	`oki, thanks`
`16:14.43`	`RaydenUni`	`wow`
`16:14.44`	`Boobies4u`	`how do i enable the lock the pet bar thing`
`16:14.47`	`snirks`	`nevcairiel: you are the bt3 dev?`
`16:15.03`	`syeren`	`Kaelten-Laptop, the server is rather messed :P`
`16:15.07`	`xlvii`	nazgul``, that would use so many system resources it's not funny.
`16:15.09`	`nee-lap`	`I'll try making a bar at the bottom then, to see if I like it`
`16:15.21`	`RaydenUni`	`that's cool`
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`16:15.29`	`RaydenUni`	`need a high res screen though`
`16:15.31`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`syeren: hrm?`
`16:15.43`	`RaydenUni`	`i want`
`16:15.57`	`snirks`	`nevcairiel: no, you are the perfectraid dude. thats right. gw :)`
`16:15.58`	`DrZoot`	Nazgul``, the problem with those ui packs is that they are designed by someone else, what YOU need is a ui that complements YOUR play style. That screen shot looks ok but who knows how it works? and even if it does work ok who says its going to work with you?
`16:16.01`	`Hjalte`	`what script to kick people?`
`16:16.02`	`Boobies4u`	`anyone who can help me?`
`16:16.06`	`Hjalte`	`quick please, sorry to be rude :(`
`16:16.08`	`syeren`	`A download will start at 21KB.`
`16:16.11`	`Boobies4u`	`how do i access the "ChatFrame" module in Ace2?`
`16:16.11`	`syeren`	`And then die to 0KB.`
`16:16.16`	`Boobies4u`	`to enable "lock the pet bar"`
`16:16.17`	Nazgul``	`problem is...its not working with 2.03 yet`
`16:16.24`	`syeren`	`All the pages are rendering extremly quick and then just dying mid way through :(`
`16:16.29`	`Boobies4u`	`Pet action bar`
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`16:16.41`	`Boobies4u`	`ace2 is saying my pet bar is tainted everytime i login with my warlock`
`16:16.55`	`DrZoot`	Nazgul``, diy is a little bit harder but what you will come up with is a ui that is perfect for you
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`16:17.11`	`Boobies4u`	`ckknight? can you aid me?`
`16:17.14`	`steev64`	`i do like that those unitframes from that screenshot`
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`16:17.28`	`Vanish`	`Boobies4U: I get the same tin gon my Warlock`
`16:17.35`	`syeren`	`Cladhaire is a faggot.`
`16:17.35`	Nazgul``	`this is a link to the mazzleui`
`16:17.36`	Nazgul``	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=49626497&sid=1`
`16:17.41`	`_neuron_`	`dont suppose there's a mirror for the wowace wiki? /me needs documentation.`
`16:17.43`	`Boobies4u`	`Vanish, how do i fix it?`
`16:17.45`	`syeren`	`If he just left his fucking Praid as an Ace2 addon.`
`16:17.45`	Nazgul``	`the dev has a full rightup on it`
`16:17.49`	`DrZoot`	`Boobies4u, ignore it, its been doing it for me all day with my warlock but it hasnt stopped me from doing anything that I normally do`
`16:17.50`	Nazgul``	`write up`
`16:17.52`	`syeren`	`We would know doubt have a fully working version by now :/`
`16:17.54`	`haste`	`_neuron_: google and cache`
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`16:18.00`	`_neuron_`	`hm yeah, good idea, thanks`
`16:18.14`	`[nd]`	`need localization-update of babble-lib/babble-boss`
`16:18.16`	`Boobies4u`	`DrZoot, but sometimes the icons on the pet bar changes`
`16:18.17`	`[nd]`	`12/16 20:28:20.796 Baron Totenschwur schreit: Eindringlinge! Zweifellos mehr...`
`16:18.17`	`[nd]`	`so in deDE -> ["Baron Rivendare"] = "Baron Totenschwur",`
`16:18.21`	`Vanish`	`syeren: Clad has his reasons`
`16:18.28`	`Boobies4u`	`like the attack pet button becomes like the resurection button for priests`
`16:18.30`	`DrZoot`	`Boobies4u, the icons change?`
`16:18.33`	`Boobies4u`	`yes`
`16:18.35`	`Boobies4u`	`the look of them`
`16:18.40`	`syeren`	`My broken Praid also backs them up Vanish.`
`16:18.50`	`Boobies4u`	`they all work tho, but visualy they sometime change`
`16:19.03`	`haste`	`syeren: even with or without ace2, it would still be the same`
`16:19.14`	`DrZoot`	`Boobies4u, ok well I have no idea, ace has been complaining to me all day about a tainted pet bar but ive just ignored it and its done nothing weird`
`16:19.17`	`syeren`	`More developers would help if it was in this community though Sure ly :p`
`16:19.41`	`Mikma`	`syeren: there happens to be a working version of PerfectRaid`
`16:19.43`	`haste`	`syeren: He doesn't want any help on it at this point either :)`
`16:19.49`	`Boobies4u`	`DrZoot, it says to enable the "lock the pet action bar" in the ChatFrame module`
`16:19.51`	`Boobies4u`	`how do i do that?`
`16:19.55`	`syeren`	`Which one is that Milkma?`
`16:20.07`	`DrZoot`	`Boobies4u, are u running prat?`
`16:20.12`	`syeren`	`Considering while I BG Hop with my current version (the latest,) it retains the old raid group and build ;p`
`16:20.13`	`Boobies4u`	`yes`
`16:20.15`	`Iceroth`	`nevcairiel, you around? got bt3 stance bar bug`
`16:20.28`	`nevcairiel`	`Iceroth: what bug?`
`16:20.36`	`nee-lap`	`Has anyone else encountered the problem that their petbar and buff icons have been messed up in the sense that they are not showing the right textures? My Mark of the Wild for instance shows the icon for Shadow Word: Pain`
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`16:20.47`	`Iceroth`	`my druid stances are gone`
`16:20.48`	`DrZoot`	`Boobies4u, goto the prat module settings, its in there`
`16:20.52`	`evl`	`Anyone have a torrent with the TBC client? :P`
`16:21.02`	`nevcairiel`	`Iceroth: client language?`
`16:21.05`	`*** part/#wowace Sykgaffel (n=sykgaffe@062016179178.customer.alfanett.no)`
`16:21.08`	`Iceroth`	`enUS`
`16:21.10`	`DrZoot`	`Boobies4u, or you could tell it to stop checking and then at least it wont whinge at you`
`16:21.14`	`Mikma`	`syeren: http://www.wowinterface.com`
`16:21.19`	`nevcairiel`	`weird, works for me on enGB just fine`
`16:21.19`	`syeren`	`Milkma.`
`16:21.22`	`syeren`	`I have that version.`
`16:21.26`	`syeren`	`Go jump in between BGs.,`
`16:21.27`	`Wogroipl`	`nee-lap: that seems to be a Blizzard ot Graphics card bug`
`16:21.31`	`syeren`	`And your old raid group stays there.`
`16:21.34`	`Iceroth`	`well ok, engb i guess.. english anyway`
`16:21.42`	`syeren`	`And seems as Fubar is messed up, I can't actually get the error -_-`
`16:21.52`	`Wogroipl`	`nee-lap: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/01/11/players-deal-with-even-more-patch-bugs/`
`16:21.52`	`syeren`	`And seems as I can't download the latest rev of Fubar....`
`16:22.40`	`nee-lap`	`Wogroipl: Hm.Well, it must be a blizzard bug then`
`16:22.40`	`Vanish`	`24611 of FuBar works perfectly`
`16:22.40`	`Pinus`	`Does anyone know why neither oCD nor oCB can be found in the download list?`
`16:22.41`	`nevcairiel`	`Iceroth: can you try to set the options again?`
`16:22.41`	`syeren`	`Vanish.`
`16:22.41`	`steev64`	`no they can't`
`16:22.41`	`syeren`	`If I could download it.`
`16:22.41`	`steev64`	`haste moved them`
`16:22.41`	`Vanish`	`Pinus: Yes. haste does`
`16:22.41`	`syeren`	`I'm sure I would use it.`
`16:22.41`	`steev64`	`fuxsake.net`
`16:22.41`	`Iceroth`	`stances don't appear in the menu`
`16:22.47`	`vhaarr`	`Pinus: CBRipoff.`
`16:23.14`	`Hjalte`	`Guys, is there a script to kick players from a raid?`
`16:23.23`	`Iceroth`	`i just managed to revert to the "updated toc to 20003" version which works flawlessly`
`16:23.26`	`Iceroth`	`svn is teh slow`
`16:23.45`	`nevcairiel`	`Iceroth: hrm, ive had that issue as well at one point, but it disappeard, will look into it i guess`
`16:23.45`	`nee-lap`	`Hjalte: Can't you just use the blizzard raid frame? or right-click their frame and uninvite?`
`16:23.46`	`Vanish`	`Pinus: I prefer CBRipoff over oCB and CoolDownTimers2 over oCD`
`16:24.01`	`Pinus`	`mh ok I'll try them`
`16:24.03`	`Pinus`	`thank you`
`16:24.04`	`Hjalte`	`nee-lap: It's not me with a problem, it's our raid leaders :)`
`16:24.22`	`odt`	`http://odt.planet.ee/wow/patch_fails.png`
`16:24.33`	`Mikma`	`syeren: it's Mikma not Milkma`
`16:24.37`	`nee-lap`	`Hjalte: They do not know how to uninvite people?`
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`16:24.39`	`odt`	`anyone got a working repair.exe from a fully upgraded beta?`
`16:24.44`	`nuOHEP`	`syeren, http://www.wowace.com/files/FuBar/FuBar-r24611.zip`
`16:24.52`	`Vanish`	`Mikma: but Milkma sounds so much more... Dairy fresh`
`16:24.54`	`Hjalte`	`nee-lap: it is bugged with the recent patch`
`16:24.59`	`syeren`	`Times out after I download 13kb of it.`
`16:25.04`	`nee-lap`	`Hjalte: Ah.`
`16:25.23`	`syeren`	`Mikma, I give a damn :)`
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`16:25.46`	`syeren`	`Actually, Fubar timed out after I downloaded 2kb of it.`
`16:26.12`	`Nayon`	`Wow, I had no Idea opera web browser could do IRC.. that makes me happy`
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`16:27.52`	`Wogroipl`	`Hjalte: target them and type /kick doesn't work either?`
`16:27.57`	`Nayon`	`So how hard is Wowace getting pounded?`
`16:28.00`	`jaeger`	`anyone know what would cause ag_UnitFrames to stop displaying my combo points?`
`16:28.29`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: get that link?`
`16:28.46`	`syeren`	`The Fubar one I just had linked to me?`
`16:28.50`	`Hjalte`	`Wogroipl: I'm not sure. They dont seem like the brightest of people these guys - It's a joined guild kill of the world bosses.`
`16:28.51`	`syeren`	`I told you, timed out after 2kb.`
`16:28.59`	`Vanish`	`jaeger: Turn on the casting bar`
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`16:29.12`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: I just sent you a PM with a link not on wowace`
`16:29.25`	`Vanish`	`Crap. I bet you didn't get it. I'm using irc@work, so I'm not authed`
`16:29.28`	`jaeger`	`Vanish: is it required?`
`16:29.36`	`AniasRB`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:29.40`	`Vanish`	`jaeger: right now it is for Combo Points`
`16:29.43`	`Wogroipl`	`Hjalte: it has worked for our raidleaders, even when they were only joking and thouth it would do an emote :P`
`16:29.45`	`jaeger`	`roger. thanks for the info`
`16:29.51`	`Vanish`	`np`
`16:29.52`	`Wogroipl`	`thought*`
`16:29.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`Grouper querries work... zomg hot`
`16:29.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`hehe`
`16:30.00`	`Hjalte`	`Wogroipl: Hehe, i'll pass it on`
`16:30.13`	`Teazle`	`amazing how blizzard cant patch something without breaking it all :p`
`16:30.35`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: You have 5 minutes before I remove it: http://www.dreamscapevisionery.com/FuBar-r24665.zip`
`16:30.40`	`Jens`	`aguf ate my casting bar :(`
`16:31.03`	`Vanish`	`Jens: ask Arrowmaster how to get it back`
`16:31.08`	`shieldb`	`Jens: that's the opposite of what I got with one of the builds of aguf last night - it wouldn't let me get rid of my casting bar :P`
`16:31.09`	`AniasRB`	`In other news, if anyone is on skywall, kruul is currently eating stormwind. We now return you to your normally scheduled chatter.`
`16:31.16`	`Thorgard`	`Jens, you should be thankful.. the Blizzard one is butt-ugly. ;P`
`16:31.25`	`Mikma`	`syeren: i do, and if you answer me with wrong name that means i won't answer since i don't regocnize other names`
`16:31.29`	`Jens`	`I can disable it in aguf, but that doesn't get me the old bar back.`
`16:31.32`	`syeren`	`Got it thanks :p`
`16:31.46`	`Vanish`	`np`
`16:31.49`	`syeren`	`What A shame, sure I'm missing out.`
`16:32.34`	`Vanish`	`syeren: considering Mikma is intelligent, friendly, and good Ace mod dev, you are`
`16:33.33`	`Thorgard`	`Jens, /script aUF.db.profile.BlizzCastbar = true`
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`16:33.55`	`Jens`	`Thanks.`
`16:34.32`	`Jens`	`Doesn't work :/`
`16:34.45`	`nee-lap`	`Hm. Skinner can't use a gradient for the viewport?`
`16:34.48`	`Mikma`	`Jens: /script CastingBarFrame:Show() ?`
`16:35.09`	`Wogroipl`	`I'll just wait with updating until 5 am this morning, I'm sure the server will be less busy ;)`
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`16:35.11`	`Mikma`	`well, what Thorgard said might work after /rl`
`16:35.12`	`jaeger`	`man, hellscream is unhappy`
`16:35.14`	`Thorgard`	`jens, do aUF:ShowBlizzCast()`
`16:35.26`	`Vanish`	`Mikma: You're on the right track, but the command is omsething like BlizzCastBarShow()`
`16:35.38`	`Mikma`	`since i think ag has unregistered the events for original castbar`
`16:36.02`	`Vanish`	`Arrowmaster figured it out last night with ag`
`16:36.17`	`Vanish`	`Thorgard might have it`
`16:36.21`	`Thorgard`	`Yeah, I was reading the backlog.`
`16:36.30`	`Thorgard`	`aUF:ShowBlizzCast() seemed to do it for Arrowmaster`
`16:36.31`	`Jens`	`Success.`
`16:36.39`	`shieldb`	`nee-lap, yeah skinner can do that`
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`16:36.45`	`kovi`	`wtb option to show the casting bar above the unitframe instead of below without having to edit the layout myself :/`
`16:36.53`	`shieldb`	`it doesn't 'skin' viewport though, you turn on topframe and bottomframe and size them appropriately`
`16:37.06`	`syeren`	`Anyone here work with Photoshop / Illustrator?`
`16:37.17`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: I do`
`16:37.24`	`zirah`	`syeren: Photoshop and Inkscape`
`16:37.38`	`Mikma`	`just as i expected`
`16:37.44`	`Mikma`	`ag unregisters the events`
`16:37.44`	`syeren`	`Well I was busy making a logo type in photoshop, and I used multiple layers on the shapes in order to finish off the Logotype.`
`16:37.53`	`syeren`	`Is there anyway I can merge those layers now?`
`16:37.56`	`*** join/#wowace Lodin (n=Lodin@65.205.125.50)`
`16:38.01`	`syeren`	`Or do I have to get hold of Illustrator to do that?`
`16:38.09`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: Merge Down`
`16:38.19`	`syeren`	`But that rasterizes the shape.`
`16:38.20`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: CTRL-E`
`16:38.21`	`syeren`	`Surely.`
`16:38.22`	`nee-lap`	`shieldb: oh, I'll search for the option then`
`16:38.24`	`syeren`	`Which I don't want to do.`
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`16:38.36`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: No, Merge Down only flattens layers together`
`16:38.36`	Funkeh`	`where is teh join channel notifier under prat?`
`16:38.46`	Funkeh`	`i can't find it :p`
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`16:39.10`	`Thorgard`	Funkeh`, ChatWho
`16:39.14`	`Thorgard`	`Err, Who, anyway.`
`16:39.24`	`syeren`	`Well CS2 is just complete ignoring my current cntrl + e.`
`16:39.24`	`syeren`	`;p`
`16:39.33`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: Sorry, misread your statement. Yes that will rasterize`
`16:39.37`	`DrZoot`	`thats odd, im on a pvp server and I now have the option to flag myself for pvp`
`16:39.47`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: Win or Mac?`
`16:39.54`	`DrZoot`	`I thought I was sort of auto flagged because .... im the enemy`
`16:39.58`	`Thorgard`	`DrZoot, that's not that odd.`
`16:40.06`	`Thorgard`	`DrZoot, not in friendly territory.`
`16:40.15`	`DrZoot`	`Thorgard, ive never noticed it before`
`16:40.17`	`shieldb`	`nevcairiel, you around?`
`16:40.25`	`DrZoot`	`Thorgard, then again ive never really looked`
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`16:40.39`	`evl`	`lol :)`
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`16:40.42`	Funkeh`	`ty :D`
`16:40.44`	`Thorgard`	`DrZoot, yeah, you're safe in 'friendly' zones, like the starting zones and capital cities, unless you turn your flag on.`
`16:40.55`	`evl`	`Hemlock sort of... fucks all my inventory/spell icons over :D`
`16:41.06`	`evl`	`they turn black, which is cool cause that's elite right?`
`16:41.16`	`Thorgard`	`evl, it's very Goth..`
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`16:41.22`	`Vanish`	`DrZoot: In friendly areas, you are automatically set to PvP off so the enemy can't randomly attack lowbies. You have to turn your flag on in those zones.. or attack an enemy`
`16:41.37`	`Lodin`	`there an Ace equivalent to CT RaidTracker out there?`
`16:41.37`	`Thorgard`	`evl, I'm pretty sure it's being renamed Gothlock.`
`16:41.44`	`shieldb`	`Vanish: or be a sucker and accept a duel from the opposite faction :P`
`16:41.53`	`shieldb`	`gotten many a lowbie that way when I'm bored`
`16:41.53`	`syeren`	`Windows :P`
`16:41.58`	`syeren`	`Adobe Photoshop CS2.`
`16:42.06`	`zirah`	`has somebody a list of changed textures (gold has a new texture but it is not in the patchnotes)`
`16:42.14`	`evl`	`did they change GetItemInfo(GetMerchantItemLink(i)) ?`
`16:42.17`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: If you're trying to get a flattened image out of Photoshop, go to File->Web Export. That leaves your layers intact, but outputs a flattened image`
`16:43.00`	`Vanish`	`shieldb: Yeah I've seen idiot lowbies accept those`
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`16:43.45`	`shieldb`	`always fun to do that - duel someone, when they accept you forefit the duel immediately and they take a swing at you and flag themselves :)`
`16:44.02`	`snirks`	`pve realm humor`
`16:44.09`	`syeren`	`Vanish, I'm trying to flatten the shape in order to duplicate the whole of the combind shapes to reverse it.`
`16:44.14`	`syeren`	`In order to finish the wings.`
`16:44.15`	`syeren`	`:P`
`16:44.16`	`kenlyric\|work`	`zirah: oh, so I wasn't crazy that gold looks different.`
`16:44.29`	`zirah`	`kenlyric\|work: gold ore`
`16:44.35`	`snirks`	`I want Tuller here =(`
`16:44.35`	`zirah`	`it's more yellow`
`16:44.39`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`grrr`
`16:44.46`	`kenlyric\|work`	`yeah, I saw. Thought I was going crazy.`
`16:44.47`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`bartender isn't switching bars when I go into stealth now`
`16:44.50`	`snirks`	`and i want a praid with mouseover highlighting`
`16:45.00`	`zirah`	`kenlyric\|work: you don't ;-P`
`16:45.09`	`Nayon`	`Is there a working version of Praid?`
`16:45.16`	`snirks`	`i believe there is`
`16:45.17`	`Srosh`	`beta, ye`
`16:45.19`	`Laric`	`yes on wowi`
`16:45.29`	`zirah`	`kenlyric\|work: but it is nothing in the patchnotes about it :-(`
`16:45.34`	`Nayon`	`Awsome`
`16:45.49`	`kenlyric\|work`	`zirah: that's usual. Unless the graphic radically changes, they don't usually mention it.`
`16:45.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`They tweak icons all the time.`
`16:46.10`	`kenlyric\|work`	`hell, they somehow forgot to mention riding skill going down 300g.`
`16:46.15`	`Laric`	`they didnt mention that they wrecked the look on netherwind shoulders in 2.01 either`
`16:46.35`	`zirah`	`kenlyric\|work: means work for me because i use circled icons in my mod :-(`
`16:46.36`	`Laric`	`they only mention like 10% in the patch notes`
`16:47.10`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oh, you edit each graphic and make it a circle?`
`16:47.10`	`zirah`	`undocumented changes grmpf`
`16:47.18`	`zirah`	`yeah`
`16:47.24`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I think you would be used to undocumented changed by now ;)`
`16:47.25`	`zirah`	`wrote a little php script ;-P`
`16:47.44`	`zirah`	`kenlyric\|work: i will never`
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`16:48.56`	`berdan`	`Is it just me or are the gryphons making sounds now when you're in flight? Didn't see anything about that either in the notes.`
`16:49.20`	`kovi`	`jup it does :O`
`16:49.26`	`evl`	`cause it's horny`
`16:49.31`	`evl`	`take it to another gryphon`
`16:49.40`	`evl`	`and back away from the computer`
`16:49.44`	`berdan`	`Ah, gryphon pr0n :)`
`16:49.46`	`haste`	`then small gyphons will pop out!`
`16:49.54`	`haste`	`s/g/gr/`
`16:49.57`	`Vanish`	`Syeren: Only way to do that and keep the layers is to put them in a layer Set, duplicate te set, then transform the set`
`16:50.12`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, did mages get another new mage armor icon?`
`16:50.42`	`zirah`	`Barbanus: g THAT was in the patch notes`
`16:50.49`	`durcyn`	`aura textures have been acting flaky since patch`
`16:51.14`	`deltron`	`this is one buggy ass patch`
`16:51.14`	`durcyn`	`i had unstable affliction icon for paranoia for a while yesterday, you might try blowing away your cache`
`16:51.27`	`snirks`	`wtb a working sage uf`
`16:51.45`	`kovi`	`icons are pretty fucked up anyway`
`16:51.49`	`fuddite`	`I miss sage too`
`16:51.50`	`Barbanus`	`zirah, haha`
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`16:52.07`	`kovi`	`if you tab out during the initial loading they are all either not there or show wrong icons`
`16:52.09`	`kovi`	`;<`
`16:52.18`	`kenlyric\|work`	`deltron: lol. I DEFY any patch to beat 1.9 and 1.10. I dare them.`
`16:52.18`	`Tekkub`	`I love the Duh Morough music`
`16:52.24`	`Tekkub`	`it's so peaceful`
`16:52.29`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`wtf`
`16:52.35`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`every time I alt tab my icons go crazy`
`16:52.42`	`KarlThePagan`	`hey does anyone here have an employee discount on server hardware?`
`16:52.45`	`durcyn`	`kenlyric\|work: remind me, was one of those the 51 talent point warrior fuckup?`
`16:52.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`I've got an ok Dell discount`
`16:52.51`	`durcyn`	`er 52, even`
`16:52.51`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`first thick leather was showing up as meat, now stealth is showing up as slice and dice :(`
`16:53.07`	`kenlyric\|work`	`durcyn: uh, 51 point talents weren't until 2.0`
`16:53.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`there was a 52 point war talent day`
`16:53.25`	`durcyn`	`kenlyric\|work: nono, where they could spec 31/21 and own people.`
`16:53.30`	`durcyn`	`not the 41 point trees`
`16:53.32`	`kenlyric\|work`	`awesome.`
`16:53.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`then everyone had to respec lol`
`16:53.40`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, which one of those was the one that the game was unplayable for 24 hours until they released another patch?`
`16:53.50`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Barbanus: both.`
`16:54.04`	`Barbanus`	`They both had a patch within 24 hours? haha`
`16:54.05`	`shieldb`	`the rampage bug was pretty awesome while it was around for a week and a half`
`16:54.10`	`Barbanus`	`wow, I have a short memory :P`
`16:54.14`	`Barbanus`	`I thought it was only 1`
`16:54.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Barbanus, no, but they were both unplayable.`
`16:54.17`	`shieldb`	`especially since it had been reported on the test realm and in beta like a month and a half prior`
`16:54.23`	`Barbanus`	`ahhh`
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`16:54.41`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, if you raided they were unplayable.`
`16:54.44`	`Barbanus`	`there was one that had a patch 24 hours later (like 200k patch), cause everything was so fucked up`
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`16:54.49`	`kenlyric\|work`	`every patch breaks bosses, but those were epic.`
`16:55.09`	`Barbanus`	`Remember when warriors could have 52 talents?`
`16:55.11`	`Tain`	`My favorite patch screwup was from EverQuest. For almost a full day one of my weapons procs was changed to be the fire breath AE attack of a raid dragon.`
`16:55.20`	`Ordog`	`sombody else got problems with fubar not showing up?`
`16:55.26`	`Ordog`	`does*`
`16:55.31`	`shieldb`	`the one early on into velious (I think) was pretty hot, too`
`16:55.32`	`AniasRB`	`Shield, the rampage bug was actually a bug with every item that stacked like that - you could abuse jom gabbar in the same manner, although it was much slower to get to ridiculous levels. It was live for a long time.`
`16:55.55`	`Barbanus`	`AniasRB, recklessness anyone?`
`16:55.57`	`shieldb`	`there was a spider in a lowbie area (level 8 or so) that instead of procing poison on you sometimes would proc a level 54 water elemental for you`
`16:56.06`	`AniasRB`	`I miss reck`
`16:56.11`	`shieldb`	`so you'd go around and destroy everything until you logged out`
`16:56.14`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I remember when onyxia actually did deep breath more. That was fun.`
`16:56.22`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, yea, that was fun`
`16:56.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`16:56.25`	`AniasRB`	`Machine-gun DB was good times.`
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`16:56.28`	`Barbanus`	`it was obvious it was more...`
`16:56.34`	`Barbanus`	`it was like every 2 secs`
`16:56.37`	`KarlThePagan`	`"we'll look into that"`
`16:56.40`	`Saladin`	`Any particular reason bar3 won�t page to stealth?`
`16:56.59`	`Barbanus`	`phase 2, ... 2 secs .. DEEP BREATH ... DEEP BREATH ... DEEP BREATH .. WTF??!?`
`16:57.00`	`AniasRB`	`The infinite gold bug was also fairly amusing.`
`16:57.12`	`Barbanus`	`AniasRB, I never heard how that one actually worked`
`16:57.29`	`AniasRB`	`Mail gold to alt - alt gets gold, character mailing it doesn't lose any`
`16:57.36`	`AniasRB`	`Repeat ad nauseum`
`16:57.41`	`snirks`	`tain: lol, remember when rangers had that bug that made their bow delay only limited by how fast the user could click?`
`16:57.43`	`AniasRB`	`They had some fairly massive rollbacks`
`16:57.45`	`Barbanus`	`haha, okay thats not the one I heard of`
`16:57.52`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Then there was 1.11 I think, which made vael cleave from across the room.`
`16:58.01`	`Barbanus`	`I thought you were talking about the one that involved zoning`
`16:58.08`	`AniasRB`	`The best vael bug was resetting to 100%`
`16:58.30`	`Barbanus`	`AniasRB, agreed, lol`
`16:58.30`	`Saladin`	nevcairiel: bar3 won't let me select stealth as a paging for my bar, any idea`?
`16:58.31`	`AniasRB`	`Ok guys, run back....um.`
`16:58.33`	`kenlyric\|work`	`vael at 100% would be a fun level 70 boss.`
`16:58.36`	`AniasRB`	`Hrm`
`16:58.44`	`AniasRB`	`Everyone out, wait 30 minutes.`
`16:58.52`	`AniasRB`	`Do some praying.`
`16:58.52`	`Tain`	`There have been some great bugs.`
`16:58.55`	`Kanly`	`Vael is the primary reason why i never expect BWL to be 5 manned`
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`16:59.00`	`Barbanus`	`Tain, what was your favorite?`
`16:59.20`	`AniasRB`	`Depends on how silly rogue gear gets kanly`
`16:59.21`	`snirks`	`Tain: what server in EQ did you play on?`
`16:59.28`	`Tain`	`There was a nice one that was live for a long time that you could stack different regen effects.`
`16:59.30`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Kanly: well, now that we know that resists won't really decrease at level 70, I don't see much of it being easycakes.`
`16:59.47`	`Tain`	`Made for awesome grinding, especially for my friend and his Necro who just stayed in Lich form all the time without losing life.`
`17:00.04`	`Tain`	`I played on Veeshan from live launch, then transferred to Saryrn.`
`17:00.09`	`snirks`	`ok`
`17:00.16`	`Barbanus`	`the kruul attack on SW last night was epic`
`17:00.21`	`snirks`	`prexus -> antonius bayle`
`17:00.30`	`Barbanus`	`I kept taunting him into the middle of SW`
`17:00.33`	`AniasRB`	`It's ongoing on skywall right now barb`
`17:00.34`	`Barbanus`	`I was naked of course`
`17:00.41`	`AniasRB`	`If you want to run a level 1 alt over and watch again`
`17:00.42`	`Barbanus`	`he would enrage`
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`17:00.45`	`Barbanus`	`Kill everyone`
`17:00.52`	`Barbanus`	`reset`
`17:00.53`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24673 10Prat/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Prat: imlplemented a core pattern match registry, which does ordered pattern matching to prevent collision between patterns in multiple modules`
`17:00.55`	`Barbanus`	`repeat`
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`17:01.10`	`Barbanus`	`people started crying about 20g repairs, while I laughed, and kited him into SW more`
`17:01.14`	`Tain`	`I got to watch (and be steamrolled by) FoH grow from their EQ beginnings (they really started in UO of course.)`
`17:01.23`	`abyssichate`	`Is it possible to add the timestamp to the combat log (SCL in my case) using Prat ? I don't seem to be successful in it`
`17:01.34`	`snirks`	`nice`
`17:01.43`	`Barbanus`	`AniasRB, nah I'm all Kruul'd out :P`
`17:01.43`	`snirks`	`i remember jumping in somewhere between original and kunark`
`17:01.48`	`snirks`	`quickly found my way to furor's updates`
`17:01.51`	`snirks`	`man they were epic`
`17:01.53`	`snirks`	`and i miss his whining`
`17:02.15`	`snirks`	`that mostly goes for PoP i think`
`17:02.33`	`Barbanus`	`tigole sure gets defensive now eh? :P`
`17:03.04`	`snirks`	`it feels as if all the recent druid buffs are Furor's works`
`17:03.19`	`snirks`	`i like to blame him anyway, when a bear outtanks + outdps me`
`17:03.40`	`sylvanaar`	`abyssichate: thats been fixed for a while`
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`17:03.57`	`abyssichate`	`I see`
`17:04.01`	`Barbanus`	`snirks, haha`
`17:04.04`	`AniasRB`	`It feels as if the druid class lead is chosen by spin the bottle each week, then blindfolded, spun in circles, and led to the wall of improbable design decisions. There he tosses darts, and those decisions are implemented post haste.`
`17:04.11`	`sylvanaar`	`abyssichate: so yes`
`17:04.20`	`abyssichate`	`I'll try again then, thanks`
`17:04.28`	`Barbanus`	`snirks, would that make tigole the one responsible for the warriors? :P`
`17:04.30`	`snirks`	`AniasRB: rofl`
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`17:04.44`	`snirks`	`Barbanus: its logical`
`17:04.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`do bears have a snap aggro ability?`
`17:04.51`	`snirks`	`yes.`
`17:04.54`	`snirks`	`they snap with their paw`
`17:04.56`	`snirks`	`and they have agro`
`17:05.01`	`AniasRB`	`Yes. However they're massively worse tanks for hard content than warriors, so don't worry.`
`17:05.01`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, taunt you mean?`
`17:05.02`	`snirks`	`im almost not shitting you`
`17:05.02`	`Tekkub`	`oh snap`
`17:05.16`	`[Liq]`	`Is the name "Suicide Bomb" or is it any other kind of word for this thing?`
`17:05.17`	`sylvanaar`	`they have oh snap cheeta form`
`17:05.27`	`Barbanus`	`sylvanaar, rofl`
`17:05.36`	`snirks`	`they'll get Blink too. just wait`
`17:05.37`	`AniasRB`	`They have growl, which is exactly the same as taunt, but with a different icon.`
`17:05.41`	`sylvanaar`	`i loved genesis' set bonuses`
`17:05.44`	`Tekkub`	`who's getting TBC CE?`
`17:05.44`	`Barbanus`	`I'm still amazed that they gave paladins a taun`
`17:05.48`	`Barbanus`	`taunt*`
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`17:05.57`	`AniasRB`	`Snirks, don't worry about druids, blizzard can't stay on target long enough to make it a problem.`
`17:06.01`	`Ordog`	`WAU mirror still lagged=?`
`17:06.10`	`sylvanaar`	`it was linke oh your a tough, your a tank, oh ooops no you're not`
`17:06.14`	`clad\|work`	`syeren: Do you have something to say to me?`
`17:06.21`	`snirks`	`AniasRB: but will they keep them as is and buff warriors, or nerf druids (and buff warriors)? you think?`
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`17:06.37`	`AniasRB`	`They honestly should buff both, but I'm not holding my breath`
`17:06.38`	`Barbanus`	`Blizz has already stated, warriors will always be the best single target tanks .. if that ever wasnt the case, they would fix it.`
`17:06.50`	`snirks`	`yeah i read that`
`17:06.51`	`AniasRB`	`Non-scaling threat for druids/warriors while paladin threat and raid dps scales is bad.`
`17:06.55`	`sylvanaar`	`clad\|work: i do, i <3 clique`
`17:07.04`	`clad\|work`	`sylvanaar: That's great`
`17:07.19`	`AniasRB`	`I believe he said you smell of elderberries clad, but I'd have to read up to be sure. How's work today?`
`17:07.21`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, I 2nd the <3 clique statement.`
`17:07.25`	`shieldb`	`AniasRB, I see that as sort of a tradeoff - if tank threat scales with the raid that's one less way to increase difficulty in an encounter`
`17:07.28`	`Matrix110`	`i agree sylvanaar!`
`17:07.30`	`Christoph-`	`Hi`
`17:07.36`	`snirks`	`i wish i was a healer so i could use clique`
`17:07.46`	`snirks`	`but then i suddenly regret saying it`
`17:07.50`	`clad\|work`	`But I believe I was called a "faggot" and syeren in his ultimate wisdom claimed that "If he just left his fucking Praid as an Ace2 addon. We would know (sic) doubt have a fully working version by now"`
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`17:07.57`	`AniasRB`	`Tank threat scaling with core abilities (str/agi et al) is much better than scaling it with set bonuses.`
`17:08.07`	`clad\|work`	`thats a direct quote`
`17:08.11`	`sylvanaar`	`you should see me in av - i am usually 10x healing done of the #2 healer`
`17:08.24`	`snirks`	`sylvanaar: all thanks to clique i bet`
`17:08.25`	`clad\|work`	`sylvanaar: Yeah, i love healing in av`
`17:08.27`	`Barbanus`	`Clique made it possible for me to not go crazy on Chromagg`
`17:08.49`	`Barbanus`	`However, it does feel like I am playing wack-a-mole`
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`17:09.00`	`sylvanaar`	`snirks: yeah - i have beeen click casting for more than a year, and i cant live without it`
`17:09.02`	`Matrix110`	`Clique isnt as good as Decursive/Detox for me as a mage but it made decursing easier^^`
`17:09.28`	`clad\|work`	`a little bit, yeah on CChromagg in particular`
`17:09.28`	`snirks`	`the alternative is that people die :p Barbanus`
`17:09.28`	`durcyn`	`Barbanus: whack-a-mole still wins over emergency monitor tunnel vision, imnsho`
`17:09.28`	`AniasRB`	`My logitech g5 loathes clique, it's completely the mouses fault, but I'm too attached to adapt.`
`17:09.28`	`snirks`	`i played shaman for over a year. dont miss it`
`17:09.28`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, yea.`
`17:09.29`	`clad\|work`	`Barbanus: Healing, I feel like I'm making a plan, knowing where I'm going..`
`17:09.29`	`sylvanaar`	`snirks: i let ppl die in av so i can look the turnins`
`17:09.32`	`Christoph-`	`Does anyone know whether there are group target frames for ag_unitframes?`
`17:09.37`	`snirks`	`lol`
`17:09.42`	`durcyn`	`Christoph-: tot/tott only atm`
`17:09.56`	`Christoph-`	`ok, thank you :)`
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`17:10.07`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, agreed on that one ... Clique + sRaidFrames + OOR people being faded = best ever for pvp.`
`17:10.08`	`Christoph-`	`is there an alternative mod supporting grp targets? ^^`
`17:10.14`	`snirks`	`what i dont get is why this patch creates so much traffic on the famous UI sites`
`17:10.21`	`snirks`	`out of 48 addons, 1 of mine was borked`
`17:10.30`	`clad\|work`	`snirks: stuff brokek with this one too, and more people are coming back for expansion`
`17:10.30`	`Matrix110`	`snirks people forgot about the "Load out of Date" Check!`
`17:10.32`	`shieldb`	`snirks, "Load out of date addons" is a tough concept for most`
`17:10.38`	`snirks`	`lol`
`17:10.39`	`kenlyric\|work`	`snirks: you know how to load out of date addons.`
`17:10.39`	`shieldb`	`I'm not kidding, either`
`17:10.40`	`durcyn`	`snirks: happens every time blizzard bumps the toc version`
`17:10.40`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`cuz the toc changed and people would rather download a new version then have to click load out of date :)`
`17:10.49`	`clad\|work`	`syeren: PING`
`17:10.49`	`kenlyric\|work`	`damn, I was only the 4th person to say that this time.`
`17:10.49`	`sylvanaar`	`though i still dont know how to make a NS+heal macro that works with clique, im sure its pretty easy`
`17:10.55`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I need to type faster.`
`17:11.06`	`shieldb`	`I had to walk two of our healers how to go in and turn on load out of date so they could get their healing mods to run for loatheb last night`
`17:11.16`	`clad\|work`	`sylvanaar: /cast Nature's Swiftness next line /cast [target=mouseover] Healing Touch`
`17:11.21`	`zirah`	`that together with some little changes in tooltip and quest handling`
`17:11.24`	`Barbanus`	`sylvanaar, click custom macro, /cast ... DAMMIT`
`17:11.30`	`Barbanus`	`Type slower clad\|work!`
`17:11.34`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, i ready that on your wowi thread`
`17:11.35`	`shieldb`	`clad\|work, won't you need a /stopspellcasting in the middle of that?`
`17:11.37`	`Matrix110`	`i always remember Load out of Date when i see the Blizzard standard font in my chat window when i login!`
`17:11.39`	`clad\|work`	`ah yes`
`17:11.41`	`clad\|work`	`i'm sorry =)`
`17:11.42`	`shieldb`	`err, /stopcasting`
`17:11.54`	`clad\|work`	`aye`
`17:12.00`	`snirks`	`the #showtooltip you can put on macros, i put it on my /dismout /charge macro, but it doesnt show any charge tooltip whatsoever`
`17:12.01`	`shieldb`	`I keep on wanting to combine /script SpellStopCasting() with the new /stopcasting`
`17:12.06`	`sylvanaar`	`if you are over a frame its considered mouseoverunit?`
`17:12.10`	`snirks`	`anyone know why?`
`17:12.21`	`shieldb`	`sylvanaar, so long as the frame is using the secure templates`
`17:12.33`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Matrix110: by then its too late!`
`17:12.35`	`sylvanaar`	`cool thx`
`17:12.45`	`clad\|work`	`sylvanaar: I asked Slouken for that, and he gave me presents =)`
`17:12.53`	`sylvanaar`	`hehe`
`17:13.01`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, hehe`
`17:13.07`	`Vanish`	`Hiya Clad`
`17:13.10`	`Barbanus`	`mouseover is awesome.`
`17:13.22`	`AniasRB`	`<3 target=mouseover`
`17:13.30`	`AniasRB`	`Ouijia board decursing.`
`17:13.32`	`sylvanaar`	`i want to try the cast on up down key some time`
`17:13.42`	`Barbanus`	`<3 the whole new macro system, actually.`
`17:13.45`	`dracula`	`quite impressive how wowace site is pretty responsive, but all downloads come to full stop when they are at 15% :s`
`17:13.54`	`Christoph-`	`does anyone know if there is an addon to add group target frames or bars?`
`17:13.55`	`*** kick/#wowace [syeren!n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-58-241-33.twcny.res.rr.com] by clad\|work (A.) wake the fuck up, B.) Don't talk shit about someone, talk shit to them. If you have criticism, give it to them not hide behind the walls of IRC C.) Switching from Ace to Dongle had absolutely nothign to do with the time its taken to do PerfectRaid.. and if you had a fuckign clue, you're realize that.)`
`17:14.01`	`snirks`	`but you're fucked if you mouseover wrong unit? or do you need to click to cast it?`
`17:14.21`	`clad\|work`	`snirks: no, basically the way it works now`
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`17:14.33`	`clad\|work`	`is you could ALWAYS use [targe=mouseover] in the 3D world`
`17:14.38`	`clad\|work`	`unfortunatley it didn't work for unit frames`
`17:14.50`	`clad\|work`	`so i asked slouken to make unit frames "count" as a mouseover unit, if they havea "unit" attribute`
`17:14.55`	`Barbanus`	`My "pissed off meter" is going off when I place it over clad\|work, anyone know why? :P`
`17:15.00`	`snirks`	`clad\|work: ahh`
`17:15.01`	`clad\|work`	`so he did that, and it works great`
`17:15.18`	`clad\|work`	`Barbanus: Did you read the shit he was saying? I wont' stand for that shit about anyone, let alone me =)`
`17:15.20`	`snirks`	`clad\|work: btw quick question, will you make perfraid look like the pre-2.0 version? with the nice highlighting on mouseover and stuff?`
`17:15.29`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, yea, I did :)`
`17:15.36`	`clad\|work`	`snirks: the mouseover highlighting you can get, its just commented out`
`17:15.42`	`snirks`	`ok`
`17:15.43`	`clad\|work`	`snirks: The debuff highlighting however, isnt.`
`17:15.44`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, and yea, I wouldn't either.`
`17:15.44`	`snirks`	`ill look for it then`
`17:15.46`	`durcyn`	`is that in the wowi faq thread, clad?`
`17:15.49`	`clad\|work`	`it will be soon`
`17:15.54`	`durcyn`	`thanks`
`17:16.00`	`clad\|work`	`durcyn: No, i've been at a doctors' appt.`
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`17:16.12`	`clad\|work`	`i'll be trying to hit that when i get to work`
`17:16.20`	`tekkub1`	`he had to get his weeks prostate exam`
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`17:16.31`	`tekkub1`	`*weekly`
`17:16.33`	`clad\|work`	`i had to go to this doctor, where they put electrodes on my face, and then tried to make me dizzy`
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`17:16.39`	`clad\|work`	`and it worked.. it was miserable.`
`17:16.46`	`Barbanus`	`wtf? why?`
`17:16.51`	`clad\|work`	`inner ear issues`
`17:16.51`	`Vanish`	`EEG?`
`17:16.55`	`Barbanus`	`ahhhhhh`
`17:16.58`	`clad\|work`	`ENT i think is what it was called`
`17:17.01`	`Barbanus`	`been there, done that ...`
`17:17.06`	`Vanish`	`Ahhhh`
`17:17.16`	`durcyn`	`ent is the doctor.. ear/nose/throat specialist`
`17:17.17`	`tekkub1`	`so if we get you to turn your head fast enough you'll fall over?`
`17:17.19`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, thats no fun.`
`17:17.19`	`tekkub1`	`sweet!`
`17:17.23`	`clad\|work`	`no, it was an ENT test oo`
`17:17.27`	`clad\|work`	`i know what an ENT is =)`
`17:17.30`	`tekkub1`	`clad\|work, OMG LOOK OVER THER!`
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`17:17.46`	`Mikma`	`omg omg fainted`
`17:17.47`	`AniasRB`	`Hey look at me clad! OVER HERE`
`17:17.51`	`Saroz`	`wha`
`17:18.00`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ`
`17:18.00`	`MoonWolf`	`I don't get why people are making such a problem out of dongle, its an extreemly minimal framework, its nothing more, why do they have to make the same drama about it as cosmos - ace a year ago.`
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`17:18.26`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, mainly balance issues, or hearing issues too?`
`17:18.29`	`lumpi`	`because they are scared of such things`
`17:18.37`	`durcyn`	`MoonWolf: when you spend 168 hours a week playing a video game, you have to get your drama somewhere.`
`17:18.40`	`Tekkub`	`MoonWolf, because the people making the drama are the ones that think Ace2 is what makes addons efficient`
`17:18.45`	`snirks`	`Barbanus: some issues with complainers too i think`
`17:18.53`	`Brutus`	`So...I hate to just come in and ask for help right away, but does anyone have an (preferbaly recent) archive of the page that instructed one on how to properly set up ace addons for the first time without externals and all that jazz?`
`17:19.06`	`MoonWolf`	`Can't we simply kill those people ?`
`17:19.10`	`Mikma`	`hah.`
`17:19.10`	`Barbanus`	`snirks, I was actually referring to his inner ear problems ... but that works too lol...`
`17:19.11`	`AniasRB`	`The cold dark has existed for millenia, and man is still scared of it.`
`17:19.17`	`Vanish`	`MoonWolf: LOL`
`17:19.19`	`lumpi`	`wouldnt help, they regrown moon!`
`17:19.22`	`Tekkub`	`said people also don't realize that the dongle'd mods (sory clad) end up even smaller then the Ace2 versions....`
`17:19.22`	`Matrix110`	`Brutus its quite easy`
`17:19.31`	`snirks`	`Barbanus: i know you were. it was my failing attempt at being funny`
`17:19.42`	`Tekkub`	`I mean, when all I need is an event handler why do I need 8 ace embeds? :P`
`17:19.43`	`Barbanus`	`snirks, hehe`
`17:19.46`	`Mikma`	`Tekkub: lies!`
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`17:19.48`	`MoonWolf`	`you don't.`
`17:20.02`	`Tekkub`	`I know, I only need like 4, but still`
`17:20.06`	`MoonWolf`	`I should drop this before i get all worked up again.`
`17:20.15`	`Mikma`	`MoonWolf: UranusBear`
`17:20.23`	`Brutus`	`Matrix110, I recall it being something along the lines of creating a set of library directories in the addons folder leaving them empty and then instructing the ace updater to fill them up, however I don't remember which libraries those were and wether or not there was anytihng else I had to do.`
`17:20.24`	`Matrix110`	`Brutus get WoWAceUpdater if you dont have it already download !!!StandaloneLibaries from wowace.com/files extract the Folders inside it into Interface/Addons and let WoWAceUpdater update all mods WITHOUT externals and enable in the options DeleteBeforeExtracting`
`17:20.26`	`MoonWolf`	`Mikma, ?`
`17:20.30`	`Mikma`	`:D`
`17:20.35`	`Tekkub`	`not tryin to get ya worked up :P`
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`17:20.42`	`Mikma`	`MoonWolf: i distracted you from the topic`
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`17:20.43`	`MoonWolf`	`no, i'm working myself up.`
`17:20.44`	`Brutus`	`Matrix110, Ah I see, thank you very much! :)`
`17:20.47`	`MoonWolf`	`dinner`
`17:20.51`	`tophoffi`	`hello`
`17:20.57`	`Matrix110`	`np Brutus`
`17:21.04`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, the problem is that people think that what they use it the best solution for the job, every time. you can have the same discussion about programming languages... 1 language isnt always best for every project`
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`17:21.09`	`tophoffi`	`can anyone help me with detox pls`
`17:21.22`	`pr0ph3t-`	`does anyone have that win ace updater? a link to it, cant find it anywhere :I`
`17:21.26`	`Brutus`	`On a side note, haven't been on freenode for over 3 years and people are still helpful, good to see that :)`
`17:21.28`	`Tekkub`	`exactly Barbanus`
`17:21.29`	`durcyn`	`pr0ph3t-: wowaceupdater.sf.net?`
`17:21.32`	`Matrix110`	`wowaceupdater.sourceforge.net`
`17:21.37`	`pr0ph3t-`	`thanks`
`17:21.37`	`Tekkub`	`dongle is tiny, Ace2 isn't`
`17:21.49`	`Mikma`	`Tekkub: is your dongle tiny?`
`17:21.57`	`Tekkub`	`I'm not saying Ace2 sucks, I'm just saying it's not really small anymore`
`17:21.59`	`snirks`	`lol`
`17:22.02`	`Saroz`	`lol`
`17:22.16`	`CIA-17`	`03pettigrow * r24674 10Babble-2.2/ (3 files in 3 dirs):`
`17:22.16`	`CIA-17`	`Babble-2.2:`
`17:22.16`	`CIA-17`	`- Babble-Fish-2.2.lua: Added frFR translations`
`17:22.17`	`CIA-17`	`- Babble-Herbs-2.2.lua: Added frFR translations`
`17:22.17`	`CIA-17`	`- Babble-Ore-2.2.lua: Added frFR translations`
`17:22.24`	`dracula`	`I tought this was the Ace channel? shouldnt you be pro-Ace? :)`
`17:22.28`	`tophoffi`	`i need help with detox, how i can set the keys for dispell ?`
`17:22.36`	`Matrix110`	`Tophoffi you cant`
`17:22.39`	`Barbanus`	`dracula, I'm pro-whatever is best for the project.`
`17:22.41`	`Tekkub`	`I'm pro small mods`
`17:22.47`	`Mikma`	`true that`
`17:22.51`	`tophoffi`	`and how it works then ?`
`17:22.57`	`AniasRB`	`Technically you can mik, but it's not very efficient.`
`17:22.59`	`Mikma`	`tekkub is good with mods that actually make the difference`
`17:23.02`	`durcyn`	`with massive amounts of physical memory and un-crapy garbage collection, are people seriously worried aboutmemory usage anymore?`
`17:23.07`	`durcyn`	`i mean, if it's leaking that's one thing`
`17:23.09`	`snirks`	`my favourite addon right now kind of is cr_viewport`
`17:23.17`	`Matrix110`	`Detox is fucked with 2.0.X and is just a Live List/Sound Notifcication if someone in range got a curse/magic/Disease`
`17:23.24`	`Matrix110`	`you cant dispell with it anymore`
`17:23.28`	`kergoth`	`Tekkub: it all started with the fact that the libs (aceevent, etc) are aceoo Mixin objects. which has benefits, being true parts of the object model, but obviously adds more into the dependency chain. that said, you could easily embed acelibrary+aceoo into the other libs, the way dongle shovels all of its bits into one or two libs`
`17:23.38`	`tophoffi`	`ok ty`
`17:23.38`	`Matrix110`	`you need to do it manually or with RaidFrames+Clique/Click2Cast`
`17:23.43`	`lassizci`	`hmm.. anyone have mirror to oRA2?`
`17:23.46`	`dracula`	`I get worried when chanops in #wowace turn against ace2 ;)`
`17:23.51`	`Vanish`	`I can't get Detox to even disaply or sound when a curse hits...`
`17:23.55`	`durcyn`	`lassizci: grid.13th-floor.org/wowace`
`17:24.00`	`lassizci`	`ty`
`17:24.04`	`Barbanus`	`dracula, I really don't think that is the case here :P`
`17:24.05`	`Tekkub`	`mmm yes, the whole OO thing`
`17:24.10`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`17:24.15`	`dracula`	`oh phew :)`
`17:24.23`	`kergoth`	`OO is nice, and has benefits, but is my no means light, in any incarnation, imo`
`17:24.25`	`Barbanus`	`dracula, I think he is saying that you don't always need to use Ace.`
`17:24.39`	`kergoth`	`i should trim down aceoo and make it available as a donglestub lib for dongle users`
`17:24.42`	`Tekkub`	`yup, and OO is core to Ace2's design`
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`17:24.52`	`Tekkub`	`so the un-lightness is kinda unavoidable`
`17:24.57`	`dracula`	`aah yes, sometimes Ace2 is overkill for an addon`
`17:25.17`	`zirah`	`oo speed up the development of complex stuff, and improves the reuse and handling`
`17:25.25`	`Vanish`	`Ace2 is overkill for most of Tek's addons. Dongle makes sense for those`
`17:25.33`	`Barbanus`	`We had a developer here that decided that Java was the best solution for every project ... couldn't break him on that. He refused to write code in anything else. He was building projects that Java was totally NOT the right choice.`
`17:25.33`	`lumpi`	`do you guys get a lot of "i need to replace addon x with x-aced because my life depends on it"-dudes in here or are they usualy to dumb to find this place?`
`17:25.34`	`Tekkub`	`it's funny how people think that the whole dongle think is people turning against ace`
`17:25.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`but you don't need polymorphic inheritance for every project...`
`17:25.39`	`Tekkub`	`but they need their drama`
`17:25.47`	`Mikma`	`dramaus.com`
`17:25.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`especially when that polymorphism costs real bytes and cycles in lua`
`17:25.57`	`dracula`	`never heard of Dongle, but it seems to be nice :)`
`17:26.00`	`durcyn`	`lumpi: even idiots can figure out how to use some lame windows irc-client`
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`17:26.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`if it were a real OO language it would be free, but it's not so we deal with it ;)`
`17:26.13`	`Tekkub`	`I look at it this way personally... Dongle is Ace1, cleaned up, embeddable`
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`17:26.25`	`Tekkub`	`Ace2 is full blown powerful framework`
`17:26.28`	`kergoth`	`Tekkub: thats silly. most of those using dongle are switching to it due to the direction ace2 has come in no longer being a perfect fit for them, not being there's anything really inherently wrong with it`
`17:26.33`	`Ordog`	`my fubar is just not showing up`
`17:26.34`	`Ordog`	`Oo`
`17:26.34`	`Tekkub`	`Dongle is simple minimalistic framework`
`17:26.48`	`durcyn`	`Tekkub: i think most people just want to be able to see things on the ace updater. it's about laziness more than anything.`
`17:26.49`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, exactly.`
`17:26.50`	`Tain`	`Strike Ace down and it will become more powerful than you could ever imagine.`
`17:27.04`	`AniasRB`	`Probably true durcyn`
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`17:27.15`	`Tekkub`	`yes, I'm using dongle cause I like the ultra tiny "just works" no config no savedvars mods over anything else`
`17:27.23`	`Tekkub`	`:)`
`17:27.23`	`snirks`	`i second that`
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`17:27.24`	`Barbanus`	`durcyn, thats more about creating a real mod community .. and less about actually what framework you are using.`
`17:27.29`	`snirks`	`i'd use bt3 instead of bongos if i didnt have any reason to use bongos`
`17:27.32`	`snirks`	`but i do`
`17:27.33`	`Tekkub`	`WAU will handle SVN and WoWI soon enough`
`17:27.37`	`Tekkub`	`have patience`
`17:27.38`	`kergoth`	`on another note, recruiters are dumbasses`
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`17:27.54`	`Tekkub`	`kergoth, make a pass at them`
`17:28.00`	`Skew`	`i asked yesterday, but was just replied with shitty comments: can anyone link me the latest/working XArt?`
`17:28.00`	`kergoth`	`sending me a damn senior perl dev position when i didnt list a single perl job or open source project on my resume`
`17:28.03`	`Tekkub`	`that's how I got rid of my army recruiter`
`17:28.04`	`nee-lap`	`There are ignorant people in any branch.`
`17:28.07`	`kergoth`	`i say i know the language, which i do, and thats all`
`17:28.09`	`kergoth`	`Tekkub: hahah`
`17:28.15`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, yea, I'd like to see a more central place to get mods, where we have WAU, etc.`
`17:28.16`	`symb`	`wowace.com needs a serverfarm`
`17:28.17`	`Ordog`	`isnt vbagnon a wowace project? Oo`
`17:28.28`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: nope, it's just Tuller`
`17:28.29`	`kergoth`	`vbagnon doesnt use ace`
`17:28.37`	`Ordog`	`hmk`
`17:28.39`	`Vanish`	`I'd like to see WAU cross-platform`
`17:28.40`	`AniasRB`	`Symb, That cost's money - how much are you interested in donating?`
`17:28.44`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, even a SVN for wowi :)`
`17:28.44`	`Tekkub`	`the key problem I see in Ace/WAU/SVN is that people have gotten lazy`
`17:28.54`	`Tekkub`	`they use Ace's SVn as a distrobution point`
`17:28.57`	`Ordog`	`and what could prevent fubar from showing up?`
`17:29.05`	`Tekkub`	`many have forgotten all about WoWI`
`17:29.13`	`Tekkub`	`and many MANY addons never get past "beta"`
`17:29.21`	`Ordog`	`are there any commandline tricks i could try?`
`17:29.24`	`AniasRB`	`costs* even, ugh.`
`17:29.27`	`Barbanus`	`Being totally honest here ... I find is really impossible to find anything on wowi.`
`17:29.28`	`snirks`	`whatever code Bongos use for pageswapping is better for me (on my computer) than bt3`
`17:29.30`	`Iceroth`	`hah, guilty \o.`
`17:29.31`	`Laric`	`Antiarc are you here?`
`17:29.36`	`Tekkub`	`and I totally admit I've been lazy`
`17:29.36`	`Ordog`	`/script FuBarShow() or sth?`
`17:29.36`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: but that's the whole point, Tuller writes amazingly clean code. Anyone who takes issue with him using Infield instead of AceGUI to draw his frames is being petty.`
`17:29.39`	`Barbanus`	`The search is bad`
`17:29.49`	`\|Kev\|`	`ok, utter noob, possibly, but what's wowi?`
`17:29.55`	`AniasRB`	`WowInterface.`
`17:29.56`	`durcyn`	`\|Kev\|: wowinterface dot com`
`17:29.59`	`Tekkub`	`that's part of the reason I'm moving my non-Ace mods off to my own SVN, to force myself into a better release cycle`
`17:29.59`	`Matrix110`	`i agree Barbanus i dont like the WoWI page`
`17:30.01`	`Vanish`	`Tek: Part of the problem is releases to WoWI don't even being to keep up with the SVN and sometimes a serious bug is fixed in SVn but not released for 2 weeks. Devs who do that drive people to make SVN a distro point`
`17:30.03`	`\|Kev\|`	`durcyn: ah :)`
`17:30.09`	`Iceroth`	`but then again, i get even now more feedback/requests/questions/whatever than i'm really willing to handle, wowi would make my life even more miserable`
`17:30.10`	`\|Kev\|`	`ty :)`
`17:30.14`	`Tekkub`	`you know, test shit and package it onte WoWI when it works well`
`17:30.17`	`Ordog`	`well vbagnon is bugged with 2.0.3 and im searching for a fix ^^`
`17:30.22`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: is not.`
`17:30.30`	`snirks`	`wowhead and some UI site should cooperate`
`17:30.30`	`Tekkub`	`yea Vanish, agreed`
`17:30.32`	`Ordog`	`my version is`
`17:30.32`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, yea, thats what I do. However, I would like a better way to release them.`
`17:30.33`	`kergoth`	`vbagnon works fine in 2.0.3 for me`
`17:30.35`	`snirks`	`that would be nice`
`17:30.38`	`Ordog`	`bank window not updating`
`17:30.55`	`AniasRB`	`I'm not a fan of their layout at all, but I'm also completely unwilling to do a better job, so I'm happy someone is trying.`
`17:31.09`	`Ordog`	`closing the bankwindow doesnt end the actual "beeing at bank" event i have to run away to open the window again and see the changes`
`17:31.10`	`\|Kev\|`	`hrmm, is there any reason I couldn't scrape wowi as well as/instead of /files/?`
`17:31.22`	`Tekkub`	`decent use of an SVN should allow for "critical" fixes to be made and pushed out super fast, without destroying the unreleased code`
`17:31.23`	`\|Kev\|`	`inmau`
`17:31.26`	`\|Kev\|`	`*in mau`
`17:31.30`	`*** join/#wowace symb (i=symb@p57A72423.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`17:31.32`	`kergoth`	`that reminds me, i need to release current svn of kenergy again. stupid thing`
`17:31.33`	`Matrix110`	`And using SVN is for the devs is easier then uploading it all the time to the Interface Sites aswell:P`
`17:31.37`	`Barbanus`	`I'd love to see a central way to release mods, seeing as wowace, curse, and wowi are pretty closely linked :)`
`17:31.41`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: vBagnon61213.zip worksforme`
`17:32.01`	`Tekkub`	`curse and Ace are linked?`
`17:32.02`	`andremar`	`\|Kev\|: not really, it was on the drawing board in my addon-updater`
`17:32.07`	`kergoth`	`Matrix110: it really isnt that hard to upload to wowi and tag the version in svn.`
`17:32.10`	`Tekkub`	`besides that cough one point...`
`17:32.11`	`Vanish`	`It'd be nice if (Clad, look away) the SVN would auto-release tags to WoWI, as an SVN should properly do`
`17:32.14`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Tekkub: tags could do that`
`17:32.15`	`\|Kev\|`	`andremar: oh, why not?`
`17:32.16`	`kergoth`	`if you really felt up to it, you could write a python script to do it for you`
`17:32.16`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, not physically, but through contacts.`
`17:32.20`	`AniasRB`	`Thematicly tekkub.`
`17:32.27`	`durcyn`	`hmm, there was that WUU project someone posted on wowace forums a while back`
`17:32.29`	`Iceroth`	`i can't find shit from wowi generally... the search is somehow weird and i'm too lazy to browse the subcategories`
`17:32.40`	`Matrix110`	`if you as a author want as much as possible users you atm need to upload it to atleast 3 pages Curse gaming, ui.worldofwar and WoWinterface which is quite annoying`
`17:32.44`	`kergoth`	`Vanish: thats not a good idea. tags arent always releases. people often tag old versions before starting development work, for example`
`17:32.45`	`clad\|work`	`Vanish: That would involve people tagging their work =)`
`17:32.50`	`durcyn`	`but it was something weird like python/wxwidgets, and sucked at anything other than wowace downloads`
`17:32.53`	`kergoth`	`Vanish: having a script available to do so manually would be a Good Thing(tm)`
`17:32.58`	`Tekkub`	`the funny thing is, the "early" ace crew started on Curse and migrated away due to hatred of that user base :)`
`17:32.59`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, exactly! :)`
`17:33.00`	`Brutus`	`Matrix110, as simple as this may be, it appears it would be much easier if I were to attempt this in the middle of the night, rather than downloading several dozens of addons in what is almost prime time, heh.`
`17:33.42`	`symb`	`AniasRB: i wasn�t whining about the performance or time outs - if i could deliver a solution i would have already for such a great community project`
`17:33.42`	`Vanish`	`kerg: that's an improper use of Tags, though. (Well, ok, it's an opinion but one shared by most devs i know)`
`17:33.42`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: you should probably be aware that the 20061213 version of said vBagnon still has toc version 20000.`
`17:33.49`	`Tekkub`	`tag everything you release`
`17:33.51`	`Ordog`	`dont care if it works :)`
`17:33.54`	`Tekkub`	`:)`
`17:33.58`	`Vanish`	`Clad: I know. But if it did that automatically for them, I bet more would.`
`17:34.09`	`Tekkub`	`release == upload somewhere`
`17:34.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`kergoth: just create a trres like tag/ADDON/release/VER/ADDON/`
`17:34.11`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: i know, but there's that whole "how to click a checkbox" thing`
`17:34.15`	`Ordog`	`can i somehow force the fubar to show up? or the config tooltip maybe?`
`17:34.28`	`kergoth`	`Vanish: afraid not. in svn, for example, merge points are not properly tracked. if you dont tag the points where you branch to and from, you'll have to poke around trying to find the revisions manually.`
`17:34.28`	`Ordog`	`omg durcyn thank you for your motherly feelings`
`17:34.46`	`kergoth`	`Vanish: I've acted as the configuration manager and scm policy person for a number of projects, fyi.`
`17:34.47`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: you wouldn't be the first =P\`
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`17:34.59`	`snirks`	`i have an idea`
`17:35.11`	`Ordog`	`everyone take cover!`
`17:35.15`	`AniasRB`	`Symb: My point was that while it's very easy to identify what doesn't work for this type of project, it's a bit harder to quantify what does. I've done a fair bit of web-developement, and it's very hard to get useful feedback on what is usable/isn't usable. It's one of the reason's apple does so well - good visual/usable design is valuable.`
`17:35.17`	`Ordog`	`snirks got an idea!`
`17:35.38`	`snirks`	`remove "join us on #wowace" on the low bandwith version of wowace.com, then put url to a server with high bandwith for the people that knows how to reach this channel`
`17:35.42`	`CIA-17`	`03nevcairiel * r24675 10Bartender3/Core.lua: Bartender3: refresh stances on OnEnable, should fix problems after login`
`17:35.47`	`Vanish`	`kergoth: Same here. There are other options, like cold-branching old versions, etc.`
`17:35.48`	`add\\Leialyn`	`Toadkiller from autobar here?`
`17:35.55`	`kergoth`	`~seen toadkiller`
`17:35.58`	`purl`	`toadkiller <n=dbester@adsl-75-18-178-60.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 37m 8s ago, saying: 'Frim: WHat is better about CooldownTimers?'.`
`17:35.58`	`snirks`	`so that people that know of this channel, gets superfast download speeds at blistering speeds`
`17:36.03`	`symb`	`AniasRB: well it happens to be that i�m in web business myself - not as a coder - more like design, layouts and planing`
`17:36.08`	`Tekkub`	`some sort of integrated SVN to mod site release tool has been on our wishlist for a long time`
`17:36.09`	`add\\Leialyn`	`kk^^`
`17:36.10`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`17:36.11`	`Tovort`	`best 2.0.3 bug so far for my: the adds don't stop spawning in the Razorgore fight in phase 2`
`17:36.11`	`Skyboat`	`can you remove the default borders on the pet bar on Bartender3?`
`17:36.26`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, I would love that`
`17:36.30`	`symb`	`AniasRB: so i know what you mean and i know how hard it is to keep such a big project running`
`17:36.35`	`Tekkub`	`because we're lazy and don't like editing 3 sites`
`17:36.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Tekkub, I could wrote that :D`
`17:36.47`	`AniasRB`	`Symb: It's not the size, so much as finding a very grokkable presentation method that scales well.`
`17:36.49`	`kergoth`	`lots of us -could- write that.. we're just too lazy to`
`17:36.58`	`Vanish`	`kergoth: LOL`
`17:36.58`	`Adirelle\|work`	`that's the point :)`
`17:36.59`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`17:37.01`	`Barbanus`	`http://wow.tecnobrat.com/wowace <= updated every 1/2 hour`
`17:37.13`	`Vanish`	`nevcairiel: you around?`
`17:37.33`	`andremar`	`http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emilyspearmethodofsylvawv8.jpg`
`17:37.46`	`CIA-17`	`03miles * r24676 10aUF_BarFader/ (aUF_BarFader.lua aUF_BarFader.toc): aUF_BarFader - Interface -> 20003, Targettarget blinking manabar fix.`
`17:37.49`	`Ordog`	`can someone please tell me a way to debug an invisible fubar?`
`17:37.57`	`Barbanus`	`andremar, interesting`
`17:37.58`	`snirks`	`is it the 10th today?`
`17:38.03`	`Matrix110`	`11th`
`17:38.08`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: does it work when you move the savedvars out?`
`17:38.08`	`snirks`	`ok`
`17:38.08`	`Vanish`	`Ordog: delete the saved variables for it`
`17:38.11`	`Klazar\|work`	`Barbanus: nice, a mirror, thnx`
`17:38.15`	`symb`	`AniasRB: yeah well, you can take off a lot of the serverload just by changing the sites design, chains, etc`
`17:38.26`	`renchap`	`http://svn1.wowace.com/files/ <= mirror of wowace.com/files if you want :)`
`17:38.29`	`Ordog`	`hm is it using global vars?`
`17:38.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`well, in fact, I could get interesting to do so.. but it would require a global account on theses sites, and maintenance each time they change something`
`17:38.58`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: by default, yes`
`17:40.24`	`Tekkub`	`just for cald (because it's more enjoyable in a packed channel)....`
`17:40.25`	`Tekkub`	`"Together we make a mighty faggot!"`
`17:40.27`	`Vanish`	`snirks: that really depends on where you live... ;)`
`17:40.27`	`*** join/#wowace Alinsa (n=alinsa@65.113.45.241)`
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`17:40.31`	`Tekkub`	`8clad even`
`17:40.35`	`Ordog`	`hm`
`17:40.35`	`Tekkub`	`.... clad`
`17:40.45`	`Tekkub`	`lemme ping clad one last time just for fun`
`17:40.52`	`Alinsa`	`Wow there's a lot of people on this channel. ;)`
`17:40.56`	`Vanish`	`pinging clad is fun`
`17:41.12`	`Barbanus`	`why would you ping clad?`
`17:41.17`	`clad\|work`	`perfectraid dongle clique cladhaire clad`
`17:41.22`	`clad\|work`	`i have a few other triggers`
`17:41.26`	`clad\|work`	`i just dont remember what they are`
`17:41.27`	`Vanish`	`Hehe`
`17:41.34`	`Matrix110`	`Hmmm weird....`
`17:41.36`	`Tekkub`	`clad, add "mighty faggot" to your triggers`
`17:41.39`	`snirks`	`Vanish: but generally`
`17:41.59`	`Vanish`	`snirks: Generally half the world is on the 11ht, the other half is on the 12th`
`17:42.01`	`nevcairiel`	`Vanish: whats up?`
`17:42.08`	`Matrix110`	`my working enGB clients enGB folder is 615MB the folder of my "i need it to install TBC" german patched up Language Packed Clients enGB folder is 500MB`
`17:42.13`	`AniasRB`	`Symb: Certainly, but it's not the load that I think is the barrier - it's the design of the site itself. The WinAceUpdater has identified what the average user seems to want (update my stuff, kthx) but it's hard to do that in a pure web-based format without an out of browser app (if it's even possible for non-IE browsers in a painless way). Ideally you'd have a slick single interface, similiar to google's entry point, that yo`
`17:42.13`	`AniasRB`	`"addon of your choice" and a script keeping track of what you grabbed so the next time you came back you'd have an option to "update everything I already have kthx" as a side note to the simple search. Obviously all of this is easy to say, and hard to code. (Which is why I haven't bothered to make AniasAddons.com or whatever)`
`17:42.16`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... I could add all my addons to ping list`
`17:42.22`	`Tekkub`	`or just append tek to them all`
`17:42.29`	`Vanish`	`nevcairiel: have you changed the default behavior of the buttons on AnyDown instead of AnyUp?`
`17:42.29`	`Tekkub`	`that'd be easier`
`17:42.51`	`nevcairiel`	`Vanish: no`
`17:42.53`	`Mikma`	`tek tek tek tek ping`
`17:42.58`	`dracula`	`does that wowaceupdater actually complete the downloads?`
`17:43.02`	`Barbanus`	`AniasRB, tldr :P`
`17:43.04`	`Matrix110`	`yes dracula`
`17:43.07`	`Vanish`	`nevcairiel: Any plans to? I hate having to edit every update. ;P`
`17:43.12`	`dracula`	`tried opera and IE, but both timeout`
`17:43.12`	`\|Kev\|`	`AniasRB: well, if the problem seems best solved in an app rather than a web page, why not take advantage of the apps rather than worrying about a web page for it?`
`17:43.16`	`Tekkub`	`and noone got my joke anyway`
`17:43.22`	`snirks`	`Vanish: ok, but its nowhere near 10th :)`
`17:43.25`	`Tekkub`	`that means I need to drink more`
`17:43.27`	`Tekkub`	`or go to bed`
`17:43.31`	`Tekkub`	`which should I do...`
`17:43.32`	`AniasRB`	`Then there's the other side - addon dev work, where it seems the svn/scripted file generation method is a better submition format.`
`17:43.38`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, I got it :P`
`17:43.45`	`Vanish`	`or your joke wasn't funny, Tek? ;D`
`17:43.46`	`nevcairiel`	`Vanish: the problem is that spells fire when you try to drag them out of the bar, and thats annoying as hell for very long cooldowns or potions`
`17:44.04`	`Tekkub`	`us mrghty faggots find it funny`
`17:44.09`	`Enalung`	`Good morning!`
`17:44.10`	`AniasRB`	`Kev, because the average user is very afraid of applications, and less so of web pages. Plus web pages are a better distribution method for the "shopping for something new" information side.`
`17:44.16`	`Vanish`	`nevcairiel: Is THAT why that's happeneing`
`17:44.34`	`Alinsa`	`So is anyone around that's familiar with the recent changes to AceDB (I think) and how it handles default profile selection? I saw several updates there last week including one "fix" but I'm not convinced that it's actually fixed and working.`
`17:44.35`	`\|Kev\|`	`AniasRB: I agree with point 1, I think I disagree with point 2 though`
`17:44.37`	`nevcairiel`	`Vanish: yes, and thats why i dont use on down`
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`17:44.48`	`Tekkub`	`average users are afraid of apps cause they get viruses every time they look for porn`
`17:44.50`	`Vanish`	`Damn. Now I have to choose between responsive buttons and not irritating the piss out of myself when moving buttons around`
`17:44.59`	`\|Kev\|`	`I actually find shopping for new addons /much/ easier in mau than on ui.wow, or whereever`
`17:45.01`	`Adirelle\|work`	`i agree with Tekkub :p`
`17:45.08`	`Ordog`	`didnt work -.-`
`17:45.23`	`Adirelle\|work`	`with \|Kev\| too`
`17:45.25`	`\|Kev\|`	`I just type what I'm interested in into the search bar, the list gets filtered, and I can check the info and choose one`
`17:45.26`	`Ordog`	`is there SOME commandline way to alter fubar settings?`
`17:45.27`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: /ace list ace2 shows fubar loaded?`
`17:45.29`	`Vanish`	`mau?`
`17:45.34`	`Tekkub`	`then they pester the nerdy guy at work to fix their computer`
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`17:45.36`	`\|Kev\|`	`mac ace updater`
`17:45.42`	`snirks`	`ag_uf no longer works for me`
`17:45.44`	`Adirelle\|work`	`wowace has a moderated number of addon`
`17:45.47`	`Vanish`	`There's a Mac version?!?`
`17:45.50`	`Adirelle\|work`	`that's easier to shop from`
`17:45.50`	`Tekkub`	`then they eventually give up and just ask the nerd to get them porn`
`17:45.51`	`AniasRB`	`Perhaps kev.`
`17:45.51`	`\|Kev\|`	`there is`
`17:45.54`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, are you sending me viruses in your addons!?!?`
`17:45.59`	`Vanish`	`Link please?`
`17:46.02`	`clad\|work`	`once WAU supports non-ace sites, i'll work on a mac version imo`
`17:46.03`	`\|Kev\|`	`http://code.google.com/p/macaceupdater/`
`17:46.14`	`Ordog`	`hm!`
`17:46.15`	`Tekkub`	`virus? no, can't replicate to other players`
`17:46.19`	`Ordog`	`actually not`
`17:46.23`	`snirks`	`Just to confirm; is there a known bug with ag_uf not working even tho it's downloaded, activated and not producing any error messages?`
`17:46.26`	`Tekkub`	`but I can stil be malicious if you fucking piss me off`
`17:46.29`	`clad\|work`	`well there you go`
`17:46.29`	`clad\|work`	`lol`
`17:46.30`	`Ordog`	`but its enabled in addons menu`
`17:46.34`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, hahaha`
`17:46.47`	Funkeh`	`man i hate devs that don't use irc :p`
`17:46.49`	`durcyn`	`Tekkub: i bet you could spread something malicious through addonmessage, just as LV can sync updates, etc`
`17:47.00`	`durcyn`	`Tekkub: assuming they were all running the stub addon, that is`
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`17:47.15`	`Tain`	`Seeing as I haven't paid a bit of attention to it, who's coding WAU anyway?`
`17:47.23`	`Tekkub`	`well yea, but virus implies doing it against the user's will`
`17:47.24`	`Adirelle\|work`	`durcyn "LV can sync updates" ?`
`17:47.25`	`Enalung`	`Viruses for the most part are about beign smart and knowing to keep away from the obvious sources.`
`17:47.26`	`\|Kev\|`	`tain: pprovost is wau`
`17:47.31`	`\|Kev\|`	`Tain: kev is mau`
`17:47.34`	`AniasRB`	`Durcyn: I bet you could get an entire school to blow up, assuming they were all wearing dynamite.`
`17:47.36`	`Vanish`	`YOu gave ME a virus though, Tek... I really missed MountMe so I had to allow Dongle cockpit on my machine...`
`17:47.38`	`Tekkub`	`user still needs the addon to support the transfer`
`17:47.41`	`Vanish`	`(I tink it was cockpit)`
`17:47.42`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, I still say that you should code in an addonmessage that checks to see if the use is a leader of the guild, and if they are, it gives leader to a random person`
`17:47.45`	`symb`	`AniasRB: i agree :)`
`17:47.47`	`Barbanus`	`That would be malicious and funny :P`
`17:47.53`	`clad\|work`	`that just sounds dirty`
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`17:47.58`	`durcyn`	`Adirelle\|work: minor revisions (at least used to) have the ability to send boss mod changes to others in raid`
`17:48.04`	`Barbanus`	`clad\|work, oh, it totally is!`
`17:48.07`	`Enalung`	`Ah, I see lol!`
`17:48.09`	`Tekkub`	`oh Barbanus I got a great story for you`
`17:48.18`	`Adirelle\|work`	`oh, that's smart`
`17:48.29`	`Tekkub`	`my old old OLD guild... <Kharma Trolls>, the alla user guild...`
`17:48.42`	`durcyn`	`Adirelle\|work: so the SVs wuld oerride the addon code until you updated`
`17:48.52`	`Wretch`	`I'm getting a error saying FuBar is trying to do an action reserved for the Blizzard UI when I try to use any macro :<`
`17:48.53`	`Tekkub`	`had this kid, total tard, kicked him out. one of the member's brothers or some shit`
`17:49.02`	`Ordog`	so what could cause fubar not beeing loaded even though its enabled in the addons menu`?
`17:49.08`	`durcyn`	`Ordog: standyb?`
`17:49.11`	`Tekkub`	`didn't get why we kicked him, still wanted to be in the guild`
`17:49.16`	`durcyn`	`standby...`
`17:49.26`	`Tekkub`	`so he start <Karma Trolls>, well after the guild had died`
`17:49.27`	`Wretch`	`Anybody know how to solve this?`
`17:49.34`	`Barbanus`	`lol one of those in every guild ..`
`17:49.42`	`Ordog`	`can you tell me how to resume it from standby without using fubar_modfu ?`
`17:49.56`	`clad\|work`	`Kev: I'll take a look at that tonight, thanks.`
`17:50.02`	`Ordog`	`since thats loaded onto fubar ... -.-`
`17:50.05`	`Tekkub`	`then one day he wants to transfer leader to his main, but he's paranoid that whoever he gives it to to do the xfer will turn on him`
`17:50.13`	`Tekkub`	`cause the whole old guild hated him...`
`17:50.43`	`Tekkub`	`so he gets this one kid, the guy we all picked on... he'd "quit" every other week, this time for good...`
`17:50.43`	`\|Kev\|`	`clad\|work: it's not a port of wau, it's native cocoa/obj-c and it works slightly differently to wau - it should work quite well though, as long as you don't try to break it`
`17:50.52`	`clad\|work`	`no thats cool`
`17:50.54`	`\|Kev\|`	`clad\|work: if you want to help code... :)`
`17:50.55`	`clad\|work`	`doesn't need to be the same app`
`17:50.57`	`Tekkub`	`he trusts the guy, so he transfers leadership`
`17:50.58`	`clad\|work`	`i may =)`
`17:51.00`	`clad\|work`	`once we get to that point`
`17:51.07`	`clad\|work`	`PTFO all`
`17:51.20`	`Tekkub`	`and the guy very dramatically kicks everyone from the guild, one at a time`
`17:51.30`	`AniasRB`	`Nicely done.`
`17:51.31`	`\|Kev\|`	`ptfo?`
`17:51.35`	`Tekkub`	`make a bit ol scene out of it`
`17:51.37`	`Vanish`	`Kev: is te source available anywhere? I might throw my hat in for help too, if I get the time`
`17:51.55`	`\|Kev\|`	`Vanish: at the same url, it's all in svn`
`17:52.01`	`Tekkub`	`then invites someone alt from the old guild and they "hide" leadership of the guild there so it won't come back`
`17:52.01`	`Barbanus`	`lol Tekkub`
`17:52.03`	`Vanish`	`Cool`
`17:52.28`	`Tekkub`	`oh and he SS'd the shole thing and posted it to the guild forums, which were still active even though the guild had split up`
`17:52.36`	`\|Kev\|`	`it's my first obj-c/cocoa, so don't judge my coding on what you see, learning language/framework/ide and producing mau took about 3 evenings of a couple of hours each - it will improve ;)`
`17:53.13`	`AniasRB`	`Kev I am so tempted to go look now`
`17:53.18`	`Tekkub`	`I demand you renam mau to Maou`
`17:53.18`	`Vanish`	`Kev: I'm just learning too`
`17:53.19`	`AniasRB`	`Just for grins`
`17:53.32`	`Barbanus`	`Tekkub, thats awesome :P`
`17:53.38`	`Tekkub`	`or full name, Kyou Kara Maou`
`17:54.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`doh... my screensaver just started... having standing still in front of my screen for at least 5 minutes`
`17:54.27`	`Adirelle\|work`	`time go home i guess`
`17:54.27`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cya`
`17:54.28`	`\|Kev\|`	`Tekkub: how terribly odd ;)`
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`17:54.34`	`Vanish`	`maou: Mac Ace Online Updater...`
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`17:54.42`	`snirks`	`Just to confirm; is there a known bug with ag_uf not working even tho it's downloaded, activated and not producing any error messages?`
`17:54.47`	`cncfanatics`	`yo all !`
`17:54.51`	`AniasRB`	`Well done vanish.`
`17:54.55`	`Barbanus`	`hey cncfanatics`
`17:54.56`	`Vanish`	`snirks: ag_UF works fine for me`
`17:54.58`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: protecting that table is a nightmare`
`17:55.03`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm back on my own computer !`
`17:55.10`	`AniasRB`	`Hey wait, what happened to dinner moon?`
`17:55.14`	`MoonWolf`	`grr stupid away status`
`17:55.19`	`Tekkub`	`MoonWolf...`
`17:55.23`	`AniasRB`	`IRC stole your dinner.`
`17:55.28`	`snirks`	`Vanish: aye i deleted all savar's now, and its working. however fubar_aguffu spit out some error shit`
`17:55.28`	`MoonWolf`	`my dinner was fine.`
`17:55.37`	`Tekkub`	`lets all ping MoonWolf now`
`17:55.38`	`\|Kev\|`	`AniasRB: that happens to me all the time :(`
`17:55.44`	`kergoth`	`dont bother with irc away status imo, its not very useful, most dont see it unless they /whois or message you. better off /nick'ing tos how the state`
`17:55.45`	`Mikma`	`MoonWolf: ping`
`17:55.46`	`Brutus`	`What used to be gmail is now "Postal", correct?`
`17:56.01`	`kergoth`	`Brutus: yep`
`17:56.01`	`Brutus`	`kergoth, thanks :)`
`17:56.02`	`kergoth`	`postal seems quite nice`
`17:56.05`	`\|Kev\|`	`is postal ready for use now?`
`17:56.13`	`kergoth`	`its on trunk, that has to be a good sign`
`17:56.15`	Funkeh`	`its still in beta afaik`
`17:56.17`	`kergoth`	`it wasnt in thie past`
`17:56.30`	`durcyn`	`Brutus: Postal and AltClickToAddItems, yes.`
`17:56.41`	`\|Kev\|`	`half of google's still in beta, that doesn't mean much on its own ;)`
`17:56.54`	`Matrix110`	`Gmail is still Beta isnt it?`
`17:56.59`	`AniasRB`	`The better half in some cases kev`
`17:57.05`	`durcyn`	`though ACTAI doesn't open trade like the old CT_Mail/GMail did, and Postal doesn't have its two libs split out into externals and is missing OptDeps`
`17:57.09`	Funkeh`	`thats called abusing the word tbh`
`17:57.11`	Funkeh`	`:p`
`17:57.12`	`durcyn`	`the addon itself works though`
`17:57.24`	`Tekkub`	`uh, everything except the "search appliance" and adsense are beta :)`
`17:57.34`	`Barbanus`	Funkeh`, thats their way of passing blame
`17:57.34`	`Tekkub`	`proof that google makes plenty of money`
`17:57.38`	`Barbanus`	`"Oh its still beta"`
`17:57.40`	`Barbanus`	`Blah`
`17:57.49`	`\|Kev\|`	`well`
`17:58.01`	`snirks`	`postal does not have massmail?`
`17:58.02`	`lassizci`	`err`
`17:58.03`	`\|Kev\|`	`I think it's reasonable to call something beta right up until you're happy with it`
`17:58.07`	`Tekkub`	`were was that coder's new year's resolution thing...`
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`17:58.24`	`lassizci`	`bt3 isn't able to show 12 buttons in 2 rows anymore?`
`17:58.24`	`SoLoR`	`sm`
`17:58.25`	`durcyn`	`snirks: grennon hasn't written the bulkmail tabyet. the workarouns is that if you put in a name, then alt click items into it, they'll all go to the same person`
`17:58.27`	`Tekkub`	`"I won't use the term 'alpha' when I really mean bad untested icky code"`
`17:58.30`	`\|Kev\|`	`I've got a project which I took over a year and a half ago, and was running 3 years before that which still isn't 1.0 yet`
`17:58.44`	`durcyn`	`snirks: so instead of queueing, it just remembers the recipient and autosends`
`17:58.59`	`Barbanus`	`\|Kev\|, I have to disagree when its the most popular webmail client on the internet, almost used by more users than any other`
`17:59.01`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone here good at making UIs that'd be intrested making one for my addon ? (a config GUI)`
`17:59.03`	`Brutus`	`Hm....where'd oCB go?`
`17:59.05`	`snirks`	`durcyn: ok thanks :-)`
`17:59.08`	`durcyn`	`Brutus: fuxsake.net`
`17:59.20`	`\|Kev\|`	`it gets hundreds and hundreds of thousand downloads a year, but I'm not happy to say "this is ready", so it's still 0.11 atm`
`17:59.20`	`Tekkub`	`someone needs to beat down hC and get BulkMail back`
`17:59.25`	`snirks`	`another thing. Fence, why doesnt alt+click auction it now? it just puts it in the auction box`
`17:59.28`	`Vanish`	`Brutus: It's CBRipoff now. ;)`
`17:59.42`	`kergoth`	`Tekkub: no doubt`
`17:59.46`	`durcyn`	`snirks: was working for me as of yesterday, did you set a price for the item id yet?`
`17:59.47`	`add\\Leialyn`	`is there some kind of mass auction addon ?`
`17:59.53`	`\|Kev\|`	`auctioneer`
`18:00.00`	`\|Kev\|`	`oh, depends what you mean`
`18:00.01`	Funkeh`	`who needs ocb or cbripoff when you got a casting bar in aguf tbh :p`
`18:00.06`	`add\\Leialyn`	`like mass mail kev`
`18:00.08`	`lassizci`	`hmh.. I can't make it show 12 even in one or 12 rows :F`
`18:00.23`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I can imagine`
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`18:00.25`	`\|Kev\|`	`auctioneer will do any number of auctions for a single item type, but not multiple types with one click`
`18:00.25`	`Vanish`	`Funkeh: an non-ugly Mirrorbar?`
`18:00.30`	`snirks`	`durcyn: ill do some more research on it`
`18:00.30`	`add\\Leialyn`	`where you can alt+click all items into a window and then set a price one time and create all auctions`
`18:00.31`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: got any working code?`
`18:00.32`	`Brutus`	Funkeh`, does aguf have proper buff/debuff handling yet?
`18:00.36`	Funkeh`	`pretty enough for me`
`18:00.39`	`snirks`	`durcyn: but thanks for answers`
`18:00.40`	`\|Kev\|`	`you used to be able to just alt-click on one of the frames and it'd auction with defaults though`
`18:00.44`	Funkeh`	`Brutus: excuse me?`
`18:00.46`	`\|Kev\|`	`which is proetty close to mass mail`
`18:00.55`	`Vanish`	`Funkeh: ag_UF doesn't do mirrorbar`
`18:00.57`	`add\\Leialyn`	`hm k gonna check it out`
`18:00.59`	`Barbanus`	`\|Kev\|, I'd have to question whether that is really beta, or simply it doesnt have all of the features you would want, and should be 1.0, and 2.0 is when it really shines. Beta really is supposed to mean some form of instability in my mind.`
`18:01.11`	`Brutus`	Funkeh`, well, in aguf from what I could figure out, I could either get it to show 1 line of buffs and 1 line of debuffs, or 0 lines of buffs and 2 lines of debuffs :/
`18:01.11`	`\|Kev\|`	`beta means unfinished`
`18:01.31`	`AniasRB`	`That's alpha to me barb. Beta means features still being implemented, but alpha is the land of "this may break and kill something unexpectedly"`
`18:01.33`	`CIA-17`	`03eternally777 * r24678 10SacredBuff/ (SacredBuff.lua UI.lua):`
`18:01.33`	`CIA-17`	`SacredBuff:`
`18:01.33`	`CIA-17`	`- Removed most frame names.`
`18:01.34`	`CIA-17`	`* Split the button creation function into two separate functions for future plans.`
`18:01.34`	`CIA-17`	`* Group buff buttons will no longer be created if the player doesn't know the spell.`
`18:01.34`	`CIA-17`	`* Minor scoping optimizations.`
`18:01.37`	`Brutus`	`Or something similar to that situation anyway, it was more complicated than that but I haven't used it in about a month so I don't quite remember, all I know is that as a healer in a raiding situation it was quite irritating.`
`18:01.37`	`\|Kev\|`	`alpha usually means unstable`
`18:01.40`	Funkeh`	`Brutus: that was changed ages ago`
`18:01.41`	`Tekkub`	`the nature of computers means _ALL_ software is unfinished`
`18:01.48`	`cncfanatics`	`kergoth, u around ?`
`18:01.50`	Funkeh`	`Brutus: the aura positioning is quite customizable now`
`18:02.15`	`Brutus`	Funkeh`, not so much positioning, but say a target for some reason has 16 buffs AND 16 debuffs, can I get it to show all at the same time?
`18:02.21`	`Alinsa`	`/stats p`
`18:02.24`	`Alinsa`	`Oops.`
`18:02.26`	`Alinsa`	`Heh.`
`18:02.31`	`Wogroipl`	`Heh, just killed Kruul on our server ;)`
`18:02.38`	Funkeh`	`Brutus: not that ive seen that happen, but it can handle buffs and debuffs`
`18:02.48`	Funkeh`	`Brutus: all the way upto 48 slots`
`18:02.48`	`AniasRB`	`Did you get fel-infused leggings too wog?`
`18:02.57`	`Wogroipl`	`nope`
`18:03.09`	`Wogroipl`	`mail head and a staff`
`18:03.09`	`Vanish`	`Brutus: Yes, but not in sperate elements`
`18:03.22`	`Barbanus`	`Beta to me is a test version of software, which has all of the features ready for launch, might be buggy .. but once bugs are fixed, its going to be released. Alpha is in development, does not have all of the features, and is guaranteed to be unstable.`
`18:03.31`	`Brutus`	`Vanish, elements?`
`18:03.38`	Funkeh`	`Brutus: rows`
`18:03.43`	`Brutus`	`Oh.`
`18:03.43`	`Eternally777`	`LOL @ http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/diagram.jpg`
`18:03.46`	`\|Kev\|`	`what you describe as beta is a release candidate to me`
`18:03.56`	`Brutus`	`Yeah that's okay, as long as they're actually shown somewhere :P`
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`18:04.05`	`Vanish`	`Brutus: It gourps buffs together and debufss together, but as part of the same row/column scheme. They aren't separate... yet`
`18:04.07`	`AniasRB`	`That diagram makes it far more complicated than it has to be eternal. You do most of that naturally.`
`18:04.07`	`\|Kev\|`	`beta to me is some sort of preview`
`18:04.18`	`Eternally777`	`That's a graph representing the quest chains to be attuned to TBC raids.`
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`18:04.21`	`\|Kev\|`	`and we agree on alpha :)`
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`18:04.26`	Funkeh`	`Vanish: it separates them..`
`18:04.31`	`Brutus`	`I'm the kind of person that likes seeing everything it can possibly tell me on my screen at once, I run witchhunt with no filters, you never want to miss a vital piece of information :)`
`18:04.36`	Funkeh`	`Vanish: untill the element becomes too full`
`18:04.37`	`Eternally777`	`AniasRB: Yeah, but it still makes things look daunting.`
`18:04.40`	`AniasRB`	`It's also horribly laid out.`
`18:05.14`	Funkeh`	`Vanish: if you had a boss with 1 buff and 20 debuffs it would show 2 rows of debuffs and a 3rd with a buff`
`18:05.22`	Funkeh`	`unless it had like 40 debuffs`
`18:05.30`	`Vanish`	`Funkeh: yeah, but that 'until condition proves non-literal separation. Just didn't want anyone to think there was a real separation of the lements there`
`18:05.33`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: well, as you discovered, it seems that table.insert() bypasses metatables. it must be using rawset. so a proxy is out of the question -- itll insert into the proxy table instead of the one being proxied, so that element would be shadowed`
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`18:05.42`	Funkeh`	`k`
`18:05.47`	`cncfanatics`	`kergoth, cld I talk u a sec ? :p`
`18:06.05`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: what, table.insert bypasses metatable?!`
`18:06.05`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: also, if you use a table proxy, the #t will return 0, not the correct number`
`18:06.05`	`kergoth`	`it seems so`
`18:06.08`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I'm using rawset now.`
`18:06.14`	`vhaarr`	`in Surface-1.0`
`18:06.14`	Funkeh`	`well the elements aren't separate but it does its best to separate buffs/debuffs`
`18:06.26`	Funkeh`	`usually noticable`
`18:06.31`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: one workaround i found caused other problems`
`18:06.37`	`kergoth`	`you can programmatically create userdata with newproxy()`
`18:06.43`	`kergoth`	`and userdata's __len works`
`18:06.52`	`Brutus`	`Oh one more thing, this is something I've somewhat gotten used to since switching away from aguf, is there a setting to enable a casting bar for the target, aswell as unselected party members? that is I'd like to know when the guy in my party is throwing a grenade, even if I don't have him targetted.`
`18:07.03`	`kergoth`	`and table.insert(t, "foo") will fail.. but due it not expecting a non-table as its first argument`
`18:07.11`	`kergoth`	`so the error is misleading, but itd do the job`
`18:07.35`	`kergoth`	`the problem is that aceoptions users check the type() of the validate "table", so the userdata proxy isnt suitable there :\|`
`18:07.38`	`vhaarr`	`just pcall it and silence the error?`
`18:07.42`	`vhaarr`	`ah`
`18:07.55`	`kergoth`	`well, you cant pcall the users table.insert()`
`18:07.59`	`Vanish`	`Brutus: Not sure, but I think the new casting bar is for all unit frames`
`18:08.00`	`kergoth`	`itd be in their code`
`18:08.08`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: only Surface should table.insert`
`18:08.14`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: users should have a read-only table`
`18:08.18`	`kergoth`	`i know`
`18:08.23`	`Brutus`	`Vanish, alright, I'll try it out and hopefully it'll work the way I want it to, thanks!`
`18:08.24`	`kergoth`	`i'm talking about what happens if hte user does try to modify it`
`18:08.27`	`vhaarr`	`ah`
`18:08.27`	`kergoth`	`they'll get a misleading error`
`18:08.31`	`vhaarr`	`right`
`18:08.39`	`MoonWolf`	`the worst kind`
`18:08.44`	`kergoth`	`for surface, we can just access the real table, poking underneith the proxy`
`18:08.52`	Funkeh`	`sylvanaar: forget debugging on in prat?`
`18:08.58`	`kergoth`	`MoonWolf: well, a misleading error when they're doing something they shouldnt be doing in the first place isnt -that- terrible`
`18:09.03`	`kergoth`	`but its unsuitable anyway due to aceoptions type checking`
`18:09.07`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: whether or not users get a strange error doesn't bother me, really, as long as they can't modify the table`
`18:09.11`	`kergoth`	`yea`
`18:09.15`	`Enalung`	`Can't stop laughting...`
`18:09.19`	`Enalung`	`http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2243176`
`18:09.21`	`vhaarr`	`but yeah, type() has to work`
`18:09.35`	`MoonWolf`	`true, but i prefer a generic error over a misleading one, it makes debuggin that much harder since you are looking at the wrong thing.`
`18:10.14`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: Okay, so should we just trust consumers to not modify the table?`
`18:10.40`	`Enalung`	`Alright, it's about time I stoped reading forums and started coding and eating again.`
`18:11.07`	`clad\|work`	`Enalung: hahahahahaha`
`18:11.30`	`stavmar`	`So do you think ag_UF will actually add the time of the cast with the already awesome casting bar under the unit frame?`
`18:11.35`	`jjb_`	`hmm, seems button:SetAttribute("unit", unit) is only working if unit is in range?`
`18:11.42`	`packetlss`	`anyone know the site which has RSS for the CIA bot?`
`18:11.46`	`jjb_`	`since 2.0.3`
`18:12.04`	`steev64`	`packetlss: cia.navi.cx?`
`18:12.09`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: i have one possibility to suggest`
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`18:12.17`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v PProvost] by ChanServ`
`18:12.26`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I'm listening.`
`18:12.28`	`kergoth`	`not perfect, but..`
`18:12.37`	`kergoth`	`have a proxy table, and just clear it out on each Surface:Register()`
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`18:12.53`	`kergoth`	`in case the user shoveled shit in there, so it wont shadow elements in the real table`
`18:12.58`	`packetlss`	`steev64: thx`
`18:13.03`	`snirks`	`how do i truncate names in aguf?`
`18:13.05`	`AniasRB`	`Ena: Wow.`
`18:13.15`	`snirks`	`whats the custom for it`
`18:13.19`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: hm, sure, we could actually re-build the table as we please.`
`18:13.36`	`PProvost`	`stavmar, I heard you are getting "weird" WAU errors?`
`18:13.47`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I just realised, what's stopping people from modifying the self.vars table directly?`
`18:13.49`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: Nothing.`
`18:13.52`	`stavmar`	`PProvost, yes i have been`
`18:14.02`	`PProvost`	`To be honest... we all have.`
`18:14.11`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: It should be made local as well.`
`18:14.17`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: And copied in activate().`
`18:14.21`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: true, you cant protect against hte truly malicious, but in this case its a table returned by an api function, a supported api functoin, and whose behavior was different in the past`
`18:14.22`	`PProvost`	`If you are getting "The operation has timed out" then it is because the wowace server is slammed.`
`18:14.28`	`kergoth`	`thats a good idea`
`18:14.28`	`stavmar`	`agreed, i just wanted to make sure that it was nothing related on my end`
`18:14.34`	`PProvost`	`I should probably have a nicer error message, but I can't do anything about it.`
`18:14.40`	`stavmar`	`PProvost,thank you for the information`
`18:14.47`	`PProvost`	`No prob`
`18:15.01`	`PProvost`	`kergoth, thanks for pointing me to Buffalo yesterday. That is exactly what I wanted.`
`18:15.05`	`kergoth`	`no problem`
`18:15.30`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: i have an idea. we could make validate support being userdata. itd treat it like a table that it cant use the table.* methods on, but can still # and index`
`18:15.34`	`PProvost`	`BTW, I also found HealthPoints through you and found it to be oddly inconsistent. Do you find it useful?`
`18:15.46`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I'm fine with that.`
`18:16.06`	`kergoth`	`will bounce it off of ck`
`18:16.14`	`Tekkub`	`PProvost, these bishies demand the new WAU like, now`
`18:16.16`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`18:16.32`	`PProvost`	`lol`
`18:16.43`	`AniasRB`	`PProvost - WAU is trying each file thrice. Lucky day.`
`18:17.03`	`PProvost`	`What I have now might be appropriate for a few of you, but it is very VERY raw right now, so I'm not ready to publish it yet.`
`18:17.18`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I started wau with version check off. That was a big mistake.`
`18:17.21`	`CIA-17`	`03eternally777 * r24680 10SacredBuff/SacredBuff.toc:`
`18:17.21`	`CIA-17`	`SacredBuff:`
`18:17.21`	`CIA-17`	`* Version bump.`
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`18:17.31`	`AniasRB`	`Yes ken, that was.`
`18:17.45`	`PProvost`	`I had to run WAU 5 times yesterday before it finally completed w/out any timeouts.`
`18:18.08`	`PProvost`	`And Europe is in primetime right now, aren't they? That doesn't help.`
`18:18.30`	`cncfanatics`	`7:20pm in europe`
`18:18.33`	`Xelar`	`its primetime here`
`18:18.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I stopped it and changed it back :). I turn off version check every few weeks in case any mods have been built with new embeds (which I guess doesn't bump the version number)`
`18:18.34`	`Xelar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:18.38`	`cncfanatics`	`with a 2 hour difference depending on where u are`
`18:18.48`	`Xelar`	`but the WAU is going okey today doh :)`
`18:18.58`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, if I have to choose between EU primetime and US primetime, I'll choose EU :)`
`18:19.14`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oh boy, almost done with fubar mods!`
`18:19.17`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: downside to a userdata proxy is that ipairs/pairs expect a table. ipairs is easily simulated, but you'd need a custom iterator for pairs`
`18:19.21`	`kergoth`	`probably not worth the bother`
`18:19.27`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so what does "Has no public versions" mean?`
`18:19.31`	`kergoth`	`though i still like the idea of an __pairs metamethod`
`18:19.32`	`cncfanatics`	`mhmm, with AceOO, using Mixins, ain't there a way to just pass all methods instead of specifying what ones ?`
`18:19.35`	`renchap`	`use http://svn1.wowace.com/files/ in wowace preferences if you want a fast mirror ^^`
`18:19.42`	`Brutus`	`It's not normal for prat to spam the chatbox with something regarding " "RegisterPattern", "PratUrlCopy", is it?`
`18:19.42`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: How would AceConsole list the table entries?`
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`18:20.06`	`kergoth`	`a validate table is numerically indexed, no? thats easily done. start at 1 and continue incrementing until you hit nil`
`18:20.11`	`Vanish`	`Brutus: No`
`18:20.15`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: alright`
`18:20.30`	`kergoth`	`still not sure if its worth the trouble though, i dunno`
`18:20.34`	`PProvost`	`kenlyric\|work, that means the latest.txt file isn't there for some reason. Just sync it again`
`18:20.42`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: Probably not.`
`18:20.43`	`Elkano`	`why is even devwowace.com so damn slow? :/ same server as wiki/forums?`
`18:21.02`	`kenlyric\|work`	`probably a timeout error. I was guessing that it didn't mean the mod was gone, since it wouldn't even show up on the list if it was gone.`
`18:21.22`	`Vanish`	`Elkano: how is that new Buff Bars coming along?`
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`18:21.51`	`Goeb`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:21.51`	`AniasRB`	`I love you renchamp`
`18:22.15`	`deltron`	`oh god`
`18:22.18`	`Goeb`	`elk- I mean in the new one... or should I start hacking it into the old one :)`
`18:22.20`	`deltron`	`that SA thread is total gold`
`18:22.35`	`AniasRB`	`It's the Bee's Knees`
`18:23.37`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: http://covenant.kergoth.com/projects/misc/browser/trunk/luabits/proxy.lua - heh, from when i first found out about newproxy`
`18:23.53`	`CIA-17`	`03nevcairiel * r24682 10Bartender3/ (Bartender3_BarClass.lua Bartender3_BarStates.lua Core.lua): Bartender3: more stance fixes, i hope i didnt break it again now :P`
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`18:24.13`	`Roodie`	`hey there`
`18:24.17`	`inph`	`evening`
`18:24.21`	`Elkano`	`well, buffs by totems are treated by wowapi the same like normal buffs iirc...`
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`18:25.11`	`Goeb`	`elk- they're colored different, what's that based on ?`
`18:25.18`	`Roodie`	`anyone has a quick fix for Gratuity Lib?`
`18:25.19`	`Elkano`	`hey are?`
`18:25.33`	`kergoth`	`fix?`
`18:25.34`	`Goeb`	`elk- yeah, more specifically, they're colorless`
`18:25.42`	`Elkano`	`Oo`
`18:25.51`	`Elkano`	`screenshot or it didn't happen`
`18:25.53`	`Goeb`	`elk- which I like... but I'd love to group them together ;)`
`18:25.55`	`Goeb`	`bah`
`18:26.00`	`vhaarr`	`Roodie: It's broken?`
`18:26.10`	`Roodie`	`Or some solution, in raid I am getting Gratuity erros from oRA2, oCD and AmmoFu`
`18:26.16`	`Elkano`	`or do you mean 'coloroless' like eg mountbuff?`
`18:26.24`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: that looks like more code than I'm willing to put in to protect a table.`
`18:26.36`	`kergoth`	`yeah.. and requires that the user call the special iterators`
`18:26.40`	`nee-lap`	`Hm. My bartender shapeshift bars are broken?`
`18:26.46`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I want to make the self.vars table local and copy it in activate(), and then just re-build the textures table at Register`
`18:26.51`	`Goeb`	`elk- ah, yes, after looking at it, they're the same color, they just have no duration`
`18:27.01`	`kergoth`	`sounds good, and just trust the user (gasp)`
`18:27.12`	`vhaarr`	`!`
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`18:27.14`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`18:27.15`	`Elkano`	`see... so they are normal buffs`
`18:27.31`	`Goeb`	`elk- yeah, ok that sucks ;)`
`18:27.31`	`dudevon-away`	`how often is svn1.wowace.com updated?`
`18:27.31`	`Feldia`	`can anyone recommend a barmod (aced preferably) that can swap pages based on hostile / friendly targets`
`18:27.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, I need an opinion... should I make a Babble-LFG or modify Babble-Zone`
`18:27.45`	`Goeb`	`elk- so I'd need a table of totems to match against and... bleh...`
`18:27.48`	`PProvost`	`kenlyric\|work, yeah, just a timeout on the latest.txt file`
`18:28.07`	`renchap`	`dudevon-away: 20 minutes`
`18:28.15`	`Goeb`	`elk- maybe... just group all the durationless buffs together... that sounds easier..`
`18:28.37`	`KarlThePagan`	`blizzard gives us things like "Heroic Dungeon", "Dungeon", "Raid" and instance nicknames which don't match the instances... all need localization`
`18:29.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`or vhaarr ... everyone's all over elk today heh`
`18:29.09`	`vhaarr`	`what?`
`18:29.16`	`vhaarr`	`o_O`
`18:29.19`	`Vanish`	`While I'm thinking about it: do the instance maps in Cartographer work for anybody? They haven't worked for me for some time`
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`18:29.37`	`Tekkub`	`blue needs offical dungeon nicks in the LFG pane`
`18:29.48`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Tekkub: or UBRS`
`18:29.52`	`Herio`	`LFG pane needs users`
`18:30.02`	`Tekkub`	`"Hellfire Citadel: BloodFurnace (HFCBF)"`
`18:30.16`	`Tekkub`	`or even HFBF`
`18:30.20`	`Elkano`	`goeb, simply sort by eg timeleft, then they are ontop of the others`
`18:30.27`	`kenlyric\|work`	`speaking of UBRS... I couldn't find a map of LBRS in cartographer.`
`18:30.32`	`kergoth`	`Vanish: by "work" you mean what?`
`18:30.38`	`Goeb`	`elk- yeah, that'd do`
`18:30.39`	`nevcairiel`	`i would even drop the hellfire`
`18:30.41`	`nee-lap`	`Has any change to Bartender3 been made to break bar changes on shapeshifting?`
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`18:30.46`	`Tekkub`	`the "problem" with LFG seems to be that it thinks hybrids can take any role`
`18:30.48`	`Elkano`	`/ebb sort timeleft`
`18:30.52`	`nevcairiel`	`nee-lap: update again`
`18:30.55`	`nee-lap`	`okay`
`18:30.56`	`Tekkub`	`which wasn't an issue in beta, cause respecs were 1c`
`18:31.04`	`Tekkub`	`and frankly, it was damn fun`
`18:31.06`	`Goeb`	`nice, I was hoping I wouldn't have to change it, seeing as you're working on a new one`
`18:31.11`	`Herio`	`TBH auto forming groups is a horrible idea`
`18:31.17`	`Tekkub`	`you get a druid, need a tank, they respec real quick`
`18:31.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Takkub, lfg auto matching is stupid. I turn that stuff off.`
`18:31.19`	`AniasRB`	`I wish respecs were free indefinitely, but heaven forfend.`
`18:31.39`	`AniasRB`	`That + meeting stone summon was really wonderful for pugging 5 mans.`
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`18:31.49`	`Tekkub`	`on beta autoforming worked wonderfully`
`18:31.54`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah`
`18:31.58`	`nevcairiel`	`beta was great for that`
`18:32.06`	`Tekkub`	`but the environment is a bit more ideal on beta`
`18:32.07`	`Chinku`	`mh, is it a blizz bug that the sound of entering the BG queue keeps donging all the time?`
`18:32.10`	`nevcairiel`	`even i tanked once or twice with my druid, would never do that on live :P`
`18:32.12`	`Vanish`	`kergoth: I mean you can select them in the menu and the map displays`
`18:32.16`	`Herio`	`beta is generally full of knowledgable and mature players`
`18:32.17`	`nevcairiel`	`Chinku: yea`
`18:32.21`	`kergoth`	`ah, in that case yes it works here`
`18:32.25`	`AniasRB`	`That is a filthy lie herio`
`18:32.26`	`Tekkub`	`on Live you're much less likly to get a competent group really`
`18:32.28`	`AniasRB`	`Take that back`
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`18:32.42`	`Chinku`	`nevcairiel: thx; no need to bother anyone with bug reports, then.`
`18:32.51`	`kaiden`	`Is it just me or is wowace.com horribly slow right now?`
`18:32.59`	`AniasRB`	`It's just you kaiden`
`18:33.02`	`Herio`	`server is getting hammered`
`18:33.04`	`Tekkub`	`I think blizzy's "random" invites were more inclined to serious raiders`
`18:33.12`	`Alinsa`	`It's not horribly slow. It's wonderfully slow! :)`
`18:33.15`	ag`work	`Doesn't there exist some addon to prevent that BG sound from happening?`
`18:33.15`	`Herio`	`they were`
`18:33.22`	`Tekkub`	`I saw a lot more T2/T3 gear on beta than I do on my live server`
`18:33.23`	`Herio`	`serious raiders and previous testers`
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`18:33.31`	`Vanish`	`ag! Hiya!`
`18:33.36`	`Herio`	`and devs`
`18:33.55`	`Tekkub`	`devs only towards the end :)`
`18:34.00`	`Herio`	`=P`
`18:34.00`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe yeah`
`18:34.00`	`Tekkub`	`well, en masse`
`18:34.05`	`*** part/#wowace nickola2 (n=crash@host-84-222-33-47.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`18:34.13`	`AniasRB`	`Well most of the people willing to play alpha/beta seriously tended to be more devoted than the avg player.`
`18:34.18`	`Tekkub`	`some fuckers like clad and cair were there since the start`
`18:34.29`	`Tekkub`	`but cair is sleeping with slow ken so she got in easy`
`18:34.32`	`Vanish`	`ag: I still can't get the Auras to grow down or up. I changed my layout so if LEFT or RIGHT are chosen, growth = "down", but it still grows to the right`
`18:34.33`	`Herio`	`i'm thinking of/trying to make a replacement for blizzard's color picker frame`
`18:34.52`	`AniasRB`	`Did tem ever manage to max out a character? I know it was a running joke for a while.`
`18:34.53`	`Herio`	`anyone have any words of advice/does this sound like a horrible idea?`
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`18:35.05`	`lumpi`	`hmm, if bugsack shows me two pathes to files, in which is the acutal error located?`
`18:35.07`	`Tekkub`	`it sounds lie crap`
`18:35.10`	`kergoth`	`Herio: there's EnhancedColorPicker in the svn`
`18:35.10`	`Tekkub`	`and now I go to bed`
`18:35.13`	`Vanish`	`Herio: There already s one that's very nice. Might look at it for inspiration`
`18:35.19`	`Herio`	`YARG`
`18:35.20`	`Herio`	`yes!`
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`18:35.33`	`kergoth`	`it lets you copy/paste the color selection to another picker and such`
`18:35.34`	`kergoth`	`iirc`
`18:35.37`	`kergoth`	`quite useful`
`18:35.40`	`Herio`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:35.46`	`Vanish`	`Yeah`
`18:35.52`	`Elkano`	`AniasRB, who cares, he wouldn't be the only one... hides`
`18:36.06`	`Herio`	`does it have edit boxes for the channels/html code?`
`18:36.21`	`Herio`	`or a combobox for favorites and predifined colors? =)`
`18:36.24`	`kergoth`	`i know it does for the channels, not sure on the other`
`18:36.29`	`Herio`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:36.46`	`AniasRB`	`Elk: You missed kara then, enjoy it on live, it's amazing.`
`18:36.58`	`Herio`	`i really hate the blizzard color picker =P`
`18:37.29`	`Vanish`	`It's called EnhancedColourPicker`
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`18:37.38`	`lumpi`	`[2007/01/11 19:30:06-294-x1]: BugSack-2.1.1\BugSack.lua:273: attempt to call field 'RegisterAddonActionEvents' (a nil value)`
`18:37.38`	`Herio`	`i'm about to pull it down from /files`
`18:37.39`	`lumpi`	`<in C code>: ?`
`18:37.39`	`lumpi`	AceEvent-2.0-23383 (FuBar):251: in function `TriggerEvent'
`18:37.39`	`lumpi`	`AceEvent-2.0-23383 (FuBar):962: in function <...face\AddOns\FuBar\libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:955>`
`18:37.39`	`lumpi`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:37.41`	`lumpi`	`ups, sorry`
`18:37.53`	`Herio`	`OMG LOUD NOISES`
`18:38.13`	`Herio`	`i'm pretty bummed, i'm gonna miss the first 5 days of expack goodness =(`
`18:38.20`	`AniasRB`	`I really wish tigole had paid attention to our suggestion to remove conflag from aran, but aside from that karazhan + halaa is enough reason for me to buy the burning crusade.`
`18:38.23`	`lumpi`	`herio: we too!`
`18:38.25`	`Goeb`	`I'm gonna miss 10...`
`18:38.28`	`Herio`	`and my raid groups likely own c'thun kill`
`18:38.37`	`lumpi`	`or do you realy think the servers will be stable?`
`18:38.46`	`Herio`	`not to mention i have enough DKP to take two drops without competition =(`
`18:38.54`	`AniasRB`	`Herio: I'll sum it up for you. "Server shutdown in 15" "Server is full, you are place 5234 in queue". "Disconnected from Server"`
`18:38.54`	`lumpi`	`who is halaa?`
`18:39.07`	`lumpi`	`anias: YESSS`
`18:39.07`	`Herio`	`i'm afraid i'll be behind when i get back =(`
`18:39.14`	`AniasRB`	`Holy god, I made it to the outlands "Disconnected from server"`
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`18:39.22`	`AniasRB`	`Why am I in the air in duskwallow?`
`18:39.32`	`AniasRB`	`Ok, dead now, wtf westfall?`
`18:39.32`	`Herio`	`god`
`18:39.32`	`xankrk`	`hi there, is ace mirrored ATM? cos I can't d/l anything cos of load..`
`18:39.35`	`AniasRB`	`Spirit ressing.`
`18:39.37`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, ping`
`18:39.41`	`AniasRB`	`"Disconnected from server"`
`18:39.44`	`AniasRB`	`repeat`
`18:39.50`	`lumpi`	`xank: just be patient`
`18:39.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`AniasRB: all world terrain errors end in westfall.`
`18:39.57`	`lumpi`	`its slow, but steady...`
`18:39.58`	`kenlyric\|work`	`It's the asshole of Azeroth.`
`18:40.02`	`Herio`	`i remember when my BWL raid got DC'd and we all ended up dead 50 miles below southshore`
`18:40.03`	`AniasRB`	`For the alliance`
`18:40.06`	`Herio`	`SR = lose =(`
`18:40.08`	`AniasRB`	`The horde end in the barrens`
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`18:40.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`no, horde or alliance, they end up in westfall.`
`18:40.20`	`cncfanatics`	`cya all, time to eat`
`18:40.20`	`xankrk`	`ok, i though someone provided some. thanks anyway :]`
`18:40.43`	`lumpi`	`on a more serious note, can anybody help me with that error up there? its in my bugsack the last view days, but doesnt seem to do anything actualy`
`18:40.43`	`AniasRB`	`As for halaa - It's the most amazing world pvp in wow.`
`18:40.54`	`Tornhoof`	`ya i know that kenlyric, i once ended like 3 miles below alterac mountains`
`18:41.00`	`Herio`	`i've heard of people being dumped into both 1k, and hillsbrad/trisfal after a subserver crash`
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`18:41.29`	`AniasRB`	`There was a patch in alpha where the world simply ended unfortunately in several places`
`18:41.42`	`AniasRB`	`If you fell, you ended up midair somewhere in azeroth when you died.`
`18:42.04`	`Vanish`	`I do't suppose anyone has a mirror of the API docs on the wiki? ;D`
`18:42.25`	`Herio`	`i remember ending up in westfall 3 times after dieing in the south hive in silithus`
`18:42.28`	`Herio`	`i ran back all 3 times`
`18:42.37`	`Tain`	`That reminds me, I had thought before I wanted to make a copy of all of those for offline viewing, Vanish. And I never did.`
`18:42.52`	`vhaarr`	`Vanish: Google cache.`
`18:42.59`	`Vanish`	`Tain: Same here`
`18:43.04`	`Vanish`	`oo, good Idea Rabbit`
`18:43.22`	`xankrk`	`maybe.. if anybody has some updated versions of addons for 2.0.3 could upload them to rapidshare or similar service?`
`18:43.33`	`xankrk`	`I mean ace 2 ones ofk`
`18:43.37`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24683 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: ConsoleDebugDump now only dumps when debug is on - should prevent future problems with dump statements being left in`
`18:43.53`	`Matrix110`	`xankrk almost ALL mods still work...`
`18:44.27`	`xankrk`	`lol I just realised I forgot about "load outdated addons" cos of 2.0 :]`
`18:44.37`	`Matrix110`	`like 95% of the wow players did..`
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`18:44.58`	`Matrix110`	`thats why addon pages are down`
`18:44.58`	`xankrk`	`yeah`
`18:45.03`	`Aileen_`	`I really wish they didn't disable them like that`
`18:45.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I wish they didn't turn off that checkbox.`
`18:45.26`	`Aileen_`	`Or... that`
`18:45.47`	`Xelar`	`one quick question in the new versjon of ag_unitframes , any way to get como point showed on targets ?`
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`18:47.34`	`sylvanaar`	`how many of you are using pasta's WAU mirror?`
`18:47.55`	`sylvanaar`	`or files mirror for WAU`
`18:48.04`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24684 10SurfaceLib/Surface-1.0/Surface-1.0.lua:`
`18:48.04`	`CIA-17`	`.Surface-1.0:`
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`18:48.05`	`sylvanaar`	`to be more exact`
`18:48.12`	`kenlyric\|work`	`mirror?`
`18:48.17`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah`
`18:48.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I want mirror!`
`18:48.36`	`kenlyric\|work`	`how do you keep a mirror updated if the host site is slammed?`
`18:48.38`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: http://groups.google.com/group/wowace/browse_frm/thread/9a35d28f41b3c626/ec4d66af8f9c7984#ec4d66af8f9c7984`
`18:48.45`	`Herio`	`you slam it more`
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`18:49.01`	`renchap`	`http://svn1.wowace.com/files/ working mirror here`
`18:49.20`	`sylvanaar`	`i have been using it for a month`
`18:49.24`	`Azurewrath`	`svn1 is ~5 revisions behind atm :/`
`18:49.25`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, I'm less worried about working than I am about updated.`
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`18:49.40`	`renchap`	`Azurewrath: thats due to the master load`
`18:49.51`	`Azurewrath`	`i know, still a pity :)`
`18:50.26`	`sylvanaar`	`its updated hourly`
`18:50.37`	`stavmar`	`does anyone know who the author of acolyte is?`
`18:51.21`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: looks good overall.. the rrebuilding the list that often is crappy, but what can ya do? either we try to mitigate any possible damage, or we trust the user /completely/, or we say fuck it and just return a new table on each :List() like before, and force the user to handle the registration event`
`18:51.52`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I think this is cleaner, the user doesn't have to think about that event.`
`18:52.07`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: but we could rebuild it less often, yeah .. does it really matter?`
`18:52.09`	`Chinku`	`meh, realm and character specific addon selection via the standard dialog is a pita...`
`18:53.07`	`kergoth`	`"To get back my youth I would do anything in the world, except take exercise, get up early, or be respectable."`
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`18:53.44`	`Elkano`	`So you don't want to be old? Suicide maybe?`
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`18:55.08`	`Barbanus`	`http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/65106557.htm?posts=1`
`18:55.16`	`Barbanus`	`Looks like we are getting a patch`
`18:55.19`	`Barbanus`	`in like an hour`
`18:55.33`	`Elkano`	`oh, my explorer (desktop, taskbar, ...) died without me noticing ^^`
`18:55.38`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Chinku: I just use all mods on all toons.`
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`18:56.39`	`Valour`	`haste why doesn't anyone including u integrate Weakaned Soul into cooldown bars ?`
`18:56.53`	`Chinku`	`kenlyric\|work: well, I have a load of 60 MB addon memory on my main, and most of the twinks do login notably faster with most unneeded addons deactivated...`
`18:57.05`	mth`Twilight	`hey gusy im searching for a god recompl`
`18:57.08`	mth`Twilight	`recompilation`
`18:57.18`	mth`Twilight	`can some1 give me some hints?^^`
`18:57.43`	`zirah`	`can i get the mana needed by a spell without scanning the tooltip?`
`18:57.44`	`Vanish`	`Twilight: I'm not sure it's a good idea to recompile God`
`18:57.49`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Chinku: yeah, I used to have that. Now I'm down to 35, so it's not a huge difference.`
`18:57.58`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Though I"m not looking forward to the day a raid makes me load CTRA.`
`18:58.21`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, oRA2, they wont know you aren't using CTRA :P`
`18:58.32`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Vanish: God is a scripted deity.`
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`18:58.50`	`MoonWolf`	`<RivanLord> The point is, how do you know the Canada Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's SPY money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.`
`18:59.00`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Barbanus: oh really? I've always wondered if I could use oRA2 since like every other player on my server uses CTRA`
`18:59.18`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, it reports to CTRA as being CTRA the latest version`
`18:59.30`	`kenlyric\|work`	`awesome.`
`18:59.33`	`kenlyric\|work`	`<3`
`18:59.33`	`Barbanus`	`So they do a version check, and it shows as you having the latest CTRA`
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`19:01.08`	`Feldia`	`sylvanaar: is there anyway to change prat timestamps to 12h time?`
`19:01.09`	`Herio`	`the only thing i don't like about oRA2, is that i don't like the MT frames`
`19:01.11`	`Herio`	`=(`
`19:01.23`	`Barbanus`	`Herio, I love them`
`19:01.30`	`Barbanus`	`I am using the compact ones`
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`19:01.47`	`RaydenUni`	`ora2?`
`19:01.57`	`RaydenUni`	`CTRA?`
`19:01.58`	`Barbanus`	`RaydenUni, CTRA replacement`
`19:01.59`	`Herio`	`i like CTRA's MT frames =(`
`19:02.08`	`Herio`	`nice and big`
`19:02.09`	`Barbanus`	`CTRA = CT Raid Assist`
`19:02.15`	`RaydenUni`	`ah`
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`19:02.29`	`RaydenUni`	`is CTRA no tace?`
`19:02.34`	`Herio`	`uhm`
`19:02.34`	`Barbanus`	`Herio, then turn off compact (its default I believe)`
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`19:02.42`	`RaydenUni`	`not ace`
`19:02.49`	`Herio`	`i'll give it a whirl when i do AQ40 tommarow =)`
`19:02.56`	`Barbanus`	`no, CTRA is not ace`
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`19:03.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`heh.`
`19:03.07`	`Herio`	`i've converted most of my guild to ace mods >.>`
`19:03.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`that's like sigworthy.`
`19:03.12`	`RaydenUni`	`http://ctmod.net/ <-- ah`
`19:03.30`	`RaydenUni`	`what does CT stand for?`
`19:03.36`	`Herio`	`cide and ts`
`19:03.38`	`Herio`	`the authors`
`19:04.00`	`ZOAS\|zzz`	`I was amused with the update 12 note about CTRA shouldn't prevent the target frame from showing in combat any longer.`
`19:04.06`	`Herio`	`my guildmates always complain about such and such mod being buggy or bogging them down, so i always point them to the alternative =P`
`19:04.24`	`Kilabie`	`any1 know if there is a ace-addon like autobuff? = Casts buffs when you roll your scrollwheel forward or backward`
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`19:04.34`	`Barbanus`	`ZOAS\|zzz, heh, they must of been tainting it?`
`19:04.46`	`Herio`	`i don't think that is possible post 2.0, kilabie`
`19:04.54`	`Herio`	`is there a working version of such a mod currently?`
`19:05.13`	`Kilabie`	`autobuff is not working but smartbuff can do it`
`19:05.13`	`ZOAS\|zzz`	`oh, hrm.`
`19:05.22`	`Herio`	`do what?`
`19:05.29`	`kenlyric\|work`	`no ace mod that can do what autobuff did, yet.`
`19:05.41`	`kenlyric\|work`	`but smartbuff is a good alternative, if a bit... feature-rich.`
`19:05.53`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`probably never be another mod that did what autobuff did. Not -really-.`
`19:06.13`	`Herio`	`what did it do exactly?`
`19:06.14`	`Kilabie`	`Herio: when you scroll on the mouse, then you can buff yourself.`
`19:06.25`	`Herio`	`so it selects a buff and a target and casts the spell?`
`19:06.31`	`Kilabie`	`I used it for innerfire`
`19:06.38`	`Herio`	`oh o.O`
`19:06.44`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`no, the original autobuff would . . . automatically cast buffs and other conditionally applied spells by using movement commands as the hardware interrupt.`
`19:07.08`	`Herio`	`yes, but that is no longer possible =)`
`19:07.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`then that got killed (largely due to the "autorun me someplace" mod I forget the name of . . .`
`19:07.18`	`Valour`	`anyone know of a Necrosis for a priest ?`
`19:07.20`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and then it was changed to work on the scroll wheel, which was . . . less useful.`
`19:07.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Serenity.`
`19:07.30`	`Barbanus`	`I believe the mouse scroll is simply a keybinding...`
`19:07.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`that's exacly what smartbuff does.`
`19:08.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Might also try Henge, I dunno how much, if any, priest support it has yet.`
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`19:08.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I personally despise the Necrosis model of mods.`
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`19:08.15`	`Herio`	`yes, but blizzard restricted functions which allow addons to cast spells inteligently, no?`
`19:08.16`	`Barbanus`	`Henge seems ... discontinued`
`19:08.23`	`kenlyric\|work`	`and I'm constantly zooming in and out, so its perfect for me.`
`19:08.27`	`kergoth`	`ZealotOnAStick: autotravel is probably what you were thinking of`
`19:08.28`	`kergoth`	`i miss it.`
`19:08.29`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Herio: in combat.`
`19:08.33`	`Herio`	`indeed`
`19:08.43`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so, if you enable smartbuff to work in combat, it won't listen to any of your conditions.`
`19:08.45`	`Valour`	`i tryed sacred buff but it has so little options`
`19:08.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I learned that on my warrior casting battle shout :)`
`19:09.01`	`fuddite`	`Herio: More specifically they restricted intelligent spell casting mods in-combat`
`19:09.11`	`Herio`	`that's what i thought =)`
`19:09.33`	`Herio`	`i remember reading that pre 2.0, but post 2.0 i remember hearing the contrary >.>`
`19:09.39`	`RaydenUni`	`smartbuff's wheel isnt' bad`
`19:09.40`	`fuddite`	`So you can do most out of combat stuff still, although there are some exceptions there too`
`19:09.55`	`Saroz`	`lol`
`19:10.11`	`Saroz`	`noteshare throwing errors about mining if you dont have _mining installed`
`19:10.12`	`Saroz`	`gg`
`19:10.30`	`kenlyric\|work`	`smartbuff is the only non-ace mod I have (well, I don't count wowhead/census+ mods)`
`19:11.02`	`fuddite`	`wowhead database is really slick, initial impression : sweet`
`19:11.17`	`RaydenUni`	`i have MobInfo2`
`19:11.24`	`RaydenUni`	`and atlas`
`19:11.46`	`RaydenUni`	`SW_stats`
`19:11.50`	`RaydenUni`	`Squeenix`
`19:12.03`	`kenlyric\|work`	`you know, I find I don't miss mobinfo as long as I have mobhealth.`
`19:12.29`	`RaydenUni`	`i like to know what they drop and how much gold you make off them`
`19:12.36`	`RaydenUni`	`also nice to see their class`
`19:12.36`	`kenlyric\|work`	`and cartagrapher is my hero. :)`
`19:12.51`	`kenlyric\|work`	`get class from tinytip.`
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`19:13.05`	cnc`eating	`anyone mind helping me a sec ? can methods be added to a mixin after it has been declared ?`
`19:13.17`	`Enalung`	`I'm browsing the event list right now on wowwiki and I fail to see an event for when macros are created / updated / deleted`
`19:13.25`	`Enalung`	`Is there any?`
`19:13.32`	`sylvanaar`	`Feldia: they are standard LUA / C timestamps so sure`
`19:13.33`	`RaydenUni`	`cartographer?`
`19:13.46`	`RaydenUni`	`http://www.ctscreens.net <-- this is nice`
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`19:14.03`	`Barbanus`	`Saroz, did you ever figure out why the "position" option in sRF's fubar plugin disapeared?`
`19:14.10`	`Saroz`	`no`
`19:14.13`	`Saroz`	`didnt look into it`
`19:14.15`	`Saroz`	`odd`
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`19:14.44`	`Feldia`	`sylvanaar: I meant via the ingame menus`
`19:14.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`RaydenUni: Cartographer has instance maps, a ton of other map options, including gathering tracking like mining/herbalism/etc, and is very module.`
`19:15.27`	`RaydenUni`	`does it do anything besides herbalism/mining stuff that atlas doesn't do?`
`19:15.31`	`kenlyric\|work`	`modular.`
`19:15.35`	`nevcairiel`	`is there any way to get OnEnter / OnLeave on a frame, without it intercepting the mouse clicks?`
`19:15.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, atlas is just instance maps. It replaces what gatherer does.`
`19:15.46`	`Herio`	`it doesn't do square minimapage`
`19:15.49`	`RaydenUni`	`ooh`
`19:15.50`	`Herio`	`which bugs me`
`19:15.51`	`Enalung`	`Ah, there we go, the UPDATE_MACROS in the system category. Dosen't have a description though`
`19:15.56`	`RaydenUni`	`it has trainer locations and stuff`
`19:16.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Herio: why should it?`
`19:16.09`	`sylvanaar`	`Feldia: you just set the format`
`19:16.15`	`Enalung`	`Time to dig the blizzard files to see what it does`
`19:16.32`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Herio: it's not a minimap mod. It's a map mod. SimpleMiniMap does square minimap (plus coords on the minimap)`
`19:16.37`	`RaydenUni`	`what does Gatherer do?`
`19:16.41`	`Herio`	`it has a minimap icon`
`19:16.50`	`kenlyric\|work`	`RaydenUni: It can learn trainer locations,w ith the correct module.`
`19:16.51`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`So, uhm . . . the latest BugGrabber commit . . . does it actually change anything, or is it just a commit note from fritti for whatever random reason?`
`19:16.53`	`Herio`	`it should allow me to put it on the edge of my square minimap`
`19:17.16`	`symb`	`kenlyric\|work: there isn�t a way to import metamap mapnotes or is there?`
`19:17.22`	`sylvanaar`	`Feldia: i made it easy for you: http://ace.pastey.net/4909?lang=null`
`19:17.35`	`kenlyric\|work`	`symb: there's an import for gatherer I know that.. not sure bout the rest.`
`19:18.05`	`Srosh`	`<+ZealotOnAStick> then that got killed (largely due to the "autorun me someplace" mod I forget the name of . . . <--- not exactly, it was the other way around`
`19:18.20`	`symb`	`kenlyric\|work: yeah gatherer-import works with the right method. i guess the import for metamap will show up sometime - cause i really like cartographer myself`
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`19:18.43`	`Srosh`	`because of that autorun mod movement required hardware events and thus the buff mods hooked them`
`19:18.45`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I was happier starting with fresh data anyway.`
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`19:19.08`	`Dhraga`	`evening all`
`19:19.10`	`symb`	`kenlyric\|work: yeah - but i like to have my notes i collected since wow alpha 0.x :)`
`19:19.29`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it was 1.10 which broke that functionality, in case you wondered :). Couldn't queue up crafting items either.`
`19:19.49`	`Dekuna`	`Herio: every mod ever has a minimap icon, how does that make them all minimap mods`
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`19:20.15`	`RaydenUni`	`is aceupdater still really slow?`
`19:20.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`damn, lots of bigwigs modules... which to choose, which to choose.`
`19:20.36`	`kenlyric\|work`	`7 of them seem to be for naxx bosses... lol.`
`19:20.52`	`Dekuna`	`kenlyric\|work: none of them are going to be all that useful anymore`
`19:21.01`	`kenlyric\|work`	`?`
`19:21.10`	`Barbanus`	`no one is gonna do naxx :P`
`19:21.16`	`Dekuna`	`unless you plan to moonlight killing 60s bosses while leveling`
`19:21.26`	`Dekuna`	`xpac is in less than a week`
`19:21.28`	`kenlyric\|work`	`lots of guilds I know are planning on it.`
`19:21.34`	`shieldb`	`I think our guild is still going to run naxx from time to time just for the fun of it`
`19:21.40`	`RaydenUni`	`naxx?`
`19:21.44`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, do you run mara for fun? how about ST?`
`19:21.56`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, heck, how about UBRS?`
`19:21.56`	`Dekuna`	`that seems very odd to me, but meh. the loot won't be useful at all at 70`
`19:22.20`	`Dekuna`	`it's exactly like running ST or mara at 60, except harder to organize and more of a pain in the ass`
`19:22.30`	`Barbanus`	`we dont even run MC for fun....`
`19:22.32`	`Chinku`	`the instances could be closed as well`
`19:22.32`	`kenlyric\|work`	`The loot is going to be quite useful at 70. But I guess if you run instances for loot, you would think about it that way.`
`19:22.36`	`Barbanus`	`we dont run it at all`
`19:22.42`	`Dekuna`	`Chinku: it won't be closed`
`19:22.51`	`Chinku`	`Dekuna: of course not`
`19:22.51`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, do you still run MC?`
`19:22.52`	`shieldb`	`are there superior shoulder enchants to the sapphiron ones yet?`
`19:23.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Barbanus, you won't run Naxx at 70, but it'll be something to do as a raiding guild while you're levelling.`
`19:23.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`vhaarr or ckknight ... any @, http://ace.pastey.net/4910 -- should this live in Babble-Zone or somewhere else?`
`19:23.44`	`shieldb`	`it also depends on if your guild's mentality is to raid for gear or whether you raid for fun and to experience the content`
`19:23.45`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, nah, there are a crapload of 5 mans while leveling, I'm much more interested in those :)`
`19:23.54`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Have we seen loot in beta yet that surpasses most of Sapphiron's loot?`
`19:23.55`	`Dekuna`	`seems like raider's time might be better invested keying up instead of spending a lot of time in naxx. the key requirements are really, really hardcore`
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`19:24.07`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Tourist?`
`19:24.08`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I mean, where's the sweet blue helds that beat Sapph's eyes?`
`19:24.17`	`Barbanus`	`Dekuna, yea, you need to do a ton of 5 mans`
`19:24.21`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Barbanus, raid once a week would be a nice diversion. All I know is that several guilds are planning on it. If it will happen is another thing entirely.`
`19:24.29`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: It needs a mapping to the real zone names as well.`
`19:24.31`	`kagaro`	`KarlThePagain: I thought someone was gona do a Babble-Instances for those wings`
`19:24.32`	`PogoTribal`	`Weapons from MC/BWL/Naxx/AQ40 will be useful for several levels and help with leveling.`
`19:24.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`The key requirements won't be that bad if you're in a raiding guild. You'll get there doing the things you're going to do anyway.`
`19:24.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`vhaarr, yeah that's what I'm gonna put in Tourist`
`19:24.41`	`kenlyric\|work`	`The key requirements are for the most part after you hit 70.`
`19:24.43`	mth`Twilight	`searching a good compilation some1 has a good one?`
`19:24.44`	`Chompers`	`yeah, but i dont think i have the gear for it`
`19:24.45`	`Dekuna`	`i'd be surprised if you could generate enough interest for a 40-man after the xpac`
`19:24.47`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Ah.`
`19:24.51`	`Chompers`	`oops, wrong chan :P`
`19:24.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`so... BZ and Tourist then`
`19:24.54`	`Barbanus`	`a lot of the key requirements are rep`
`19:24.56`	`nevcairiel`	`(20:14:02) (Barbanus) Saroz, did you ever figure out why the "position" option in sRF's fubar plugin disapeared? <-- it does that, because saroz re-defines his own "position" key to the table.`
`19:24.56`	`kenlyric\|work`	`all the heroic mode dungeons require level 70.`
`19:24.57`	`Barbanus`	`which you get in 5 mans`
`19:25.00`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: I'm not sure it belongs in Babble-Zone.`
`19:25.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea me neither... so I'm asking :)`
`19:25.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I don't remember saying anyone would skip 5 mans to do naxx.`
`19:25.20`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: It's a bastard child of BZ.`
`19:25.24`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: shove it in BZ`
`19:25.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`yup`
`19:25.27`	`shieldb`	`the real thing that seems like it would be an obstacle to running naxx in the expansion is the number of people who will be going to non-raiding specs for leveling`
`19:25.28`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Call it Babble-FuckingBlizzardNubZones.`
`19:25.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok ck`
`19:25.31`	`RaydenUni`	`is the plugin server down?`
`19:25.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`hah`
`19:25.32`	`ckknight`	`imho`
`19:25.33`	`Dekuna`	`nevcairiel: I have a small bar3 bug report for you.`
`19:25.36`	`RaydenUni`	`aceupdater isn't downloading anything it seems`
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`19:25.39`	`nevcairiel`	`whats it today?`
`19:25.40`	`vhaarr`	`but yeah, it can be shoved in BZ`
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`19:25.45`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Just mark it clearly.`
`19:25.45`	`KarlThePagan`	`Babble-NoobLFGBlizzardSuxKTHXBAI`
`19:25.58`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Separate it from the main chunk of names like I separated Outlands.`
`19:26.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok`
`19:26.03`	`vhaarr`	`hrm`
`19:26.12`	`vhaarr`	`I don't really want it there, but what the hell.`
`19:26.21`	`Dekuna`	`nevcairiel: the last bag in the bagbar (the one on the bottom) "slips" upwards a little bit if the bags are arranged vertically`
`19:26.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea... so freakin torn`
`19:27.06`	`Barbanus`	`ZealotOnAStick: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=16411`
`19:27.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'm also torn about the dungeon wing thing ... I need to read more tourist code... last time I tried making instnaces of instances and that made an infinite loop`
`19:27.18`	`Barbanus`	`ZealotOnAStick, compare to http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53953`
`19:27.20`	`Dekuna`	`changing the row/column settings fixes it temporarily, but zoning or reloading puts it back to brokens`
`19:27.26`	`KarlThePagan`	`so I'll figure something out`
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`19:27.49`	`nevcairiel`	`Dekuna: looks good for me`
`19:27.53`	`nevcairiel`	`Dekuna: keyring enabled?`
`19:27.57`	`Dekuna`	`no`
`19:28.10`	`Dekuna`	`also i'm using CyCircled, not sure if that would do anything to it`
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`19:28.16`	`Borsch`	`hi there.. can anyone give me a hint how to use cartographer_import?`
`19:28.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`this is now the hardest problem in Grouper... profiles done, auto-lfging done`
`19:28.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`filtering on taxi/in/out of group... done`
`19:28.28`	`nevcairiel`	`i am running cyCircled as well`
`19:28.36`	`Dekuna`	`hmm`
`19:28.38`	`nevcairiel`	`and i dont get any weirdness`
`19:28.49`	`nevcairiel`	`perfectly aligned`
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`19:29.01`	`Dekuna`	`it may only be fugged on first load and not a reload, let me test`
`19:29.23`	`nevcairiel`	`i hate _those_ bugs`
`19:29.24`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`19:29.43`	`ilifin`	`~seen Ominous`
`19:30.07`	`purl`	`ominous <i=HydraIRC@88-111-86-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 20h 24m 2s ago, saying: 'CrisCrOss: I do'.`
`19:30.07`	`Borsch`	`can anyone give me a hint how to use cartographer_import?`
`19:30.08`	`mute^`	`Hm, i hope this update fixes my ag_UF, i feel naked without it`
`19:30.08`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ok. Now show me equivalents of the cape, the trinket, etc.`
`19:30.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`:P`
`19:30.12`	`mute^`	`the new castbar is the bee's knees`
`19:30.12`	`Barbanus`	`ZealotOnAStick: and http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53944 vs http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=16079 (more mp5, more stats, just less +healing)`
`19:30.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`3 cheers for dev.wowace`
`19:30.34`	`Barbanus`	`ZealotOnAStick, most t3 is basically level 70 blues :)`
`19:30.37`	`Dekuna`	`nevcairiel: still doing it, i'll take a screenie`
`19:30.48`	`ilifin`	`castbar thing for ag_UF is awesome`
`19:30.56`	`kenlyric\|work`	`without the set bonuses.`
`19:31.30`	`RaydenUni`	`castbar for aguf?`
`19:31.41`	`mute^`	`yeah it now has a built in castbar for all frames`
`19:31.46`	`RaydenUni`	`new version?`
`19:31.48`	`Herio`	`miles enemy cast bar?`
`19:31.51`	`RaydenUni`	`i can't seem to download anything right now`
`19:31.55`	`mute^`	`although I updated late last night, and now when I log in i am missing all unit frames despite having the new fubar plugin`
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`19:32.22`	`lapalapa`	`.ьщев`
`19:32.23`	`Dekuna`	`RaydenUni: that's because everyone in the world is spam-updating every second`
`19:32.33`	`RaydenUni`	`everyone else STOP`
`19:32.44`	`Dekuna`	`lol`
`19:32.50`	`kagaro`	`Borsch: did you yougrade your gatherere to the gamma? if so the import will fail, otherwise if you have an old version of gatherer change it .toc to 20003 and enable Cartographer_import to get it to load up`
`19:34.28`	`Wretch`	`I'm getting an error saying FuBar has attempted to perform an action restricted to the Blizzard UI when i try to use _any_ macro ingame`
`19:34.34`	`Wretch`	`Anybody know what may be wrong?`
`19:34.41`	`Boobies4u`	`Dekuna lol hi`
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`19:35.26`	`Velkyn`	`I am getting an interesting bug - was wondering if anyone had any ideas:`
`19:35.32`	`AniasRB`	`Did musicstream break?`
`19:36.11`	`Velkyn`	`While in combat, when I retarget a mob, or target a new mob... the "portrait+health+mana" or target unit fram does not appear`
`19:36.23`	`Velkyn`	`And I cant get it back until I leave combat, and then target something.`
`19:36.31`	`Borsch`	`Kagaro: ok will try.. thx`
`19:36.46`	`Velkyn`	`Sounds to me like my unit_frame mod (adapt) was calling an illegal function in combat, so I disabled it.`
`19:36.56`	`Velkyn`	`However that didnt fix the problem, anyone have any ideas?`
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`19:37.05`	`Velkyn`	`What other mods it might be? Or if its something else... ?`
`19:37.28`	`Hajitorus`	`do you have buggrabber/bugsack?`
`19:37.38`	`Perry__`	`oh em gee is this channel good for troubleshooting because quite frankly i'm a bit lost`
`19:37.41`	`durcyn`	`i wasn't aware of a 2.0 compatible version of ADAPT, has it been fixed?`
`19:37.42`	`Dekuna`	`nevcairiel: here's the link http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/masanbol/wow/bags.jpg`
`19:38.08`	`Velkyn`	`Haji - I can add them if the information would be helpfull.`
`19:38.17`	`Brutus`	`Hey, recommended addon for numerical cooldowns of abilities/items?`
`19:38.23`	`Hajitorus`	`Velkyn: I would suggest you read /topic.`
`19:39.19`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`AniasRB: Blizzard removed the ability for WoW to play dynamic streaming music with the PlayMusic() function, and has stated flat out that they're absolutely not going to re-enable it.`
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`19:39.33`	`Perry__`	`what addon would make the battleground window (you know with the rankings) have the FrameXML/worldstateframe.lua throw an error on line 420 complaining about coords? could this have been an ace addon because if not i will have to disable addons and enable them again and all the while remain in a warsong or basically afk an alterac`
`19:39.33`	`Velkyn`	`Durcyn - Yeah someone posted a post 12-5 update to wowinterface.com`
`19:39.37`	`RaydenUni`	`any ideas why my bar3 and bar5 in bartender have the same icons in them?`
`19:39.41`	`RaydenUni`	`if i remove one it removes on the other`
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`19:40.12`	`Natsume-chan`	`Hi everyone`
`19:40.23`	`ilifin`	`Perry__, try installing bugsack and !!BugGrabber and get a full error report, should say which mod there`
`19:40.29`	`Perry__`	`thank you`
`19:40.31`	`Perry__`	`will do`
`19:40.53`	`stavmar`	`AS a warlock why should i use FuBar_WarlockTimerFu over chronometer?`
`19:40.59`	`stavmar`	`or should I`
`19:41.06`	`ilifin`	`chronometer is overally better imo`
`19:41.24`	`add\\Leialyn`	`is there a bugfix addon for the standard targetframe not showing in combat?`
`19:41.29`	`durcyn`	`the only thing chron doesn't do for me as a warlock, is soulstone timers`
`19:41.34`	`durcyn`	`and for that there's always Snafu or checkstone`
`19:41.56`	`stavmar`	`yeah that does bother me which brings me to the next question any good ace mods to replace Snafu?`
`19:41.57`	`Velkyn`	`As a Warlock I use Necrosis - as it has all the Lock timers built in, as well as other Lock friendly features (like nice buttons to summons pets and stones, which can clear up many hotkey buttons)`
`19:42.03`	`stavmar`	`Snafu is not made anymore is it`
`19:42.21`	`stavmar`	`YEah but Necorsis takes way too much memory for my taste`
`19:42.22`	`durcyn`	`stavmar: snafu is ace. and updated for 2.0. you might want to bump its TOC for Roster-2.1`
`19:42.28`	`Velkyn`	`Leialyn: I am having the same problem, getting the bug adds to try to track it down.`
`19:43.07`	`add\\Leialyn`	`humn ok ... guess its something with that secure stuff`
`19:43.13`	`Natsume-chan`	`Does anyone know if there is a way to fix ag_unitframes to show combo points with the casting car being disabled?`
`19:43.17`	`durcyn`	`that said, snafu is bloaty. it still tries to do pet spellcasts and timer syncs across addonmessage`
`19:43.27`	`stavmar`	`durcyn, I do not see snafu on the http://svn1.wowace.com/files/ site am i missing it?`
`19:43.57`	`durcyn`	`stavmar: the SVN version still has a 11200 toc, check wowinterface`
`19:44.06`	`Velkyn`	`Stavmar: How are you seeing the mem that each addon is using?`
`19:44.27`	`stavmar`	`aah OK I was under the impression that many of its features were not allowed under the new API`
`19:45.13`	`durcyn`	`stavmar: the pet cast support is the only thing broken. and, as i said, you'll want to update its libraries from a known-good current copy of ace and roster-2.1. being as it's not on the subversion, its exernals are out of date. the timer porion works flawlessly in 2.0, though.`
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`19:46.00`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24685 10Click2Cast/ (Click2Cast.lua Click2Cast.toc Click2CastMenu.lua): Click2Cast: Use a per-char database. This will "wipe" your click bindings, but I don't care. If you want, you can open your savedvariables and copy them to the char section.`
`19:46.27`	`kenlyric\|work`	`heh.`
`19:46.54`	`shieldb`	`good to see that rabbit isn't one to beat around the bush`
`19:47.02`	`kenlyric\|work`	`can't imagine click-to-cast working with anything but a per-char profile.`
`19:47.12`	`stavmar`	`durcyn, do i have to update the libraries i f I hjust use teh Ace 2 and Roster-2.1 form the SVN, the latest version of those? OR do i need to update some code within the lua of the snafu itself`
`19:47.48`	`stavmar`	`sorry for the typing BTW`
`19:47.49`	`shieldb`	`wow, vista is fun. I can't recall ever seeing a dialog like this: "You must restart your computer or Windows will stop working. [Close]"`
`19:48.11`	`Barbanus`	`shieldb, thats awesome`
`19:48.19`	`durcyn`	`stavmar: if you're using standalone libs, no. but you will have to chnage the toc from RosterLib-2.0 to Roster-2.1 as well as the library instantiation in the lua, around line 6.`
`19:48.20`	`shieldb`	`I guess uhh.. I'm going to restart`
`19:48.47`	`Barbanus`	`rabbit = vhaarr?`
`19:48.52`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`19:49.03`	`Dekuna`	`shieldb: but it's pretty!!!!`
`19:49.41`	`stavmar`	`durcyn, I am using standalone libs so I will try and change the other references in teh TOC file and the lua file, thanks`
`19:50.54`	`steev64`	`is there a download link for the updater? since the wiki is still down`
`19:51.14`	`Daemona`	`look for wowaceupdater @ scourforge`
`19:51.21`	`Daemona`	`scourceforge`
`19:51.22`	`Daemona`	`goddamn`
`19:51.25`	`syeren`	`There is, but the updater is useless right now ;p`
`19:51.25`	`Daemona`	`google it`
`19:51.27`	`Daemona`	`^^`
`19:51.33`	`Wretch`	`syeren: Why is that?`
`19:51.46`	`Natsume-chan`	`Takes like 15 mins to download one mod.`
`19:51.51`	`steev64`	`scourforge?`
`19:51.51`	`syeren`	`Server has around 2000 concurrent connections.`
`19:51.53`	`steev64`	`sourceforge?`
`19:52.04`	`syeren`	`Which means your addons take 15 minutes each like Natsume said ;p`
`19:52.30`	`Barbanus`	`~wowaceupdater`
`19:52.32`	`purl`	`from memory, wowaceupdater is http://sourceforge.net/projects/wowaceupdater`
`19:52.50`	`renchap`	`set the url in preferences to http://svn1.wowace.com/files/`
`19:52.54`	`steev64`	`yeah`
`19:52.56`	`steev64`	`got it`
`19:53.00`	`\|Kev\|`	`ooh, can I teach purl about mau?`
`19:53.06`	`steev64`	`renchap: actually i use a different one`
`19:53.14`	`steev64`	`some mirror that is updated every hour`
`19:53.27`	`Barbanus`	`grid*?`
`19:53.30`	`Barbanus`	`that one`
`19:53.31`	`Barbanus`	`?`
`19:53.54`	`Wretch`	`Hm`
`19:53.59`	`Klazar\|work`	`http://grid.13th-floor.org/wowace/`
`19:53.59`	`Wretch`	`Buggrabber is indeed genious`
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`19:54.55`	`Klazar\|work`	`whomever wrote the JavaUpdater for the Mac users put that as the default`
`19:55.14`	`\|Kev\|`	`it's the default in both the java updater and the mac updater`
`19:55.33`	`lumpi`	`some aguf boys here?`
`19:55.34`	`Wretch`	`Prat is making my macros go nuts :<`
`19:55.34`	`steev64`	`might be that one`
`19:55.42`	`steev64`	`im not sure honestly`
`19:55.47`	`\|Kev\|`	`it's typically much faster than wowace.com`
`19:55.57`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it's ungodly fast. Don't tell anyone about it.`
`19:56.14`	`Klazar\|work`	`lol`
`19:56.15`	`odt`	`what's a good alternative to oneview?`
`19:56.20`	`steev64`	`i just use wowace.com when im here at work, because, well, im not about to dirty up my work machine with java :)`
`19:56.29`	`\|Kev\|`	`steev64: mac?`
`19:56.30`	`odt`	`to browse your alt's inventory/bank`
`19:56.36`	`ckknight`	`lol, steev64`
`19:56.36`	`steev64`	`Linux equilibrium 2.6.18-gentoo-r6 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 10 12:40:36 CST 2007 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux`
`19:56.42`	`\|Kev\|`	`odt: sanity is different, but works very well`
`19:56.51`	`Klazar\|work`	`I running the javaupdater on my windoze platform, no .net that way`
`19:56.53`	`\|Kev\|`	`steev64: you could probably run wowaceupdater then, with wine ;)`
`19:56.57`	`durcyn`	`hm, doesn't baggins keep a cache?`
`19:57.01`	`steev64`	`i thought about tryin that`
`19:57.06`	`odt`	`\|Kev\|: thanks, gonna try it`
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`19:57.14`	`steev64`	`but, i like the manual comparison of versioning`
`19:57.27`	`steev64`	`or i could simplify it even further and just svn co the stuff i use`
`19:57.55`	`\|Kev\|`	`that's a bigger server hit though :/`
`19:58.17`	`steev64`	`i'd be willing to mirror it`
`19:58.22`	`steev64`	`we have a rather fat pipe`
`19:58.43`	`\|Kev\|`	`righty, training time, bbl`
`19:58.52`	`steev64`	`we serve around 60 million hits per day, and i still download at 1MB/s`
`19:59.18`	`Velkyn`	`Is there some mod that tracks the individual memory usage for all running mods?`
`19:59.39`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: tekSupport will show you which functions and tables eat memory, it's not necessarily per addon, though`
`19:59.54`	`Barbanus`	`steev, you have all of your servers in-house?`
`20:00.05`	`steev64`	`Barbanus: yeah`
`20:00.12`	`Velkyn`	`So outside of just, manually disabling them one-at-a-time there is no way to see?`
`20:00.30`	`steev64`	`lots of loadbalancing`
`20:00.54`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: if you're having memory problems, check out tekSupport first. it is LOD and off by default, so /ace load tekSupport and check it out. if something eats a lot of memory over time, teksupport will show you.`
`20:00.54`	`Barbanus`	`we rent a cage, like 200+ boxes :P`
`20:01.05`	`steev64`	`ouch`
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`20:01.16`	`Velkyn`	`Thank you very much.`
`20:01.20`	`steev64`	`we only have around that back in our server room, but we are getting ready to install 4 more racks`
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`20:01.36`	`steev64`	`speaking of which, i should go check on the server im buildings`
`20:01.38`	`steev64`	`-s`
`20:01.41`	`Dhraga`	`~seen hshh`
`20:01.58`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'hshh', Dhraga`
`20:01.58`	`Barbanus`	`heh`
`20:02.04`	`benjdr`	`hey chaps, whats the mod that is doing what cyArt previously did in this screenshot? http://content.imagesocket.com/images/uiwip24b.jpg`
`20:02.05`	`djspark`	`Barbanus: what DC are you guys in?`
`20:02.06`	`Velkyn`	`Durcyn: Is 110MiB, and around there a lot for mem use?`
`20:02.39`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: it's ungodly huge.`
`20:03.20`	`Thorgard`	`benjdr, what did cyArt previously do?`
`20:03.20`	`Dhraga`	`Have anyone heard anything from hshh ? I'm r e a l l y missing his PartyQuestComm addon`
`20:03.24`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: sounds like something isn't releasing tables correctly. what's it at after a UI reload?`
`20:03.44`	`Velkyn`	`Durcyn: How can I force a UI reload?`
`20:03.47`	`durcyn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:03.59`	`PogoTribal`	ag` you here?
`20:04.06`	`PogoTribal`	`mmm, guess not`
`20:04.11`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`benjdr: quite possibly eePanels`
`20:04.14`	`djspark`	`it's /consolte reloadui`
`20:04.21`	`djspark`	`lol`
`20:04.27`	`djspark`	`instead /console reloadui`
`20:04.30`	`PogoTribal`	`Velkyn: you can do /reloadui as well`
`20:04.42`	`Daemona`	`or alt+click on mcpfu`
`20:04.44`	`djspark`	`PogoTribal: didn't they disable that after 2.0?`
`20:04.53`	`PogoTribal`	`Also, there's a FuBar plugin that will do it on a mouse click.`
`20:05.02`	`PogoTribal`	`djspark: Nope, still works.`
`20:05.06`	`durcyn`	`the /console is the builtin command. AceConsole provides /reloadui and /rl`
`20:05.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`just do /rl`
`20:05.16`	`djspark`	`ahh, ace provides it`
`20:05.25`	`PogoTribal`	`Ahh ok, didn't realize Ace was what was providing it`
`20:05.38`	`Illuminati`	`musicstream was updated yesturday.. but has anyone actually gotten it to start streaming music within wow? I've tried enabliing/disabling music in game..`
`20:05.43`	`djspark`	`because I remember reading in patch notes somewhere that no longer could you load the console window ingame`
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`20:05.58`	`PogoTribal`	`I didn' tstart using Ace until 2.0 since everything else was pretty much not ready for 2.0 as quickly as Ace was.`
`20:06.07`	`PogoTribal`	`Big props to you guys for being on top of shit with 2.0`
`20:06.26`	`Velkyn`	`Okay Mem Usuage is sitting at ...well right after reload it was 81, now its 72`
`20:06.39`	`PogoTribal`	`Velkyn are you using PerformanceFu?`
`20:06.46`	`Velkyn`	`Yes.`
`20:06.47`	`Thorgard`	`Velkyn, wow.`
`20:07.00`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: that's to be expected, especially with embeds. 72 is still way high, though. how many addons are you loading?`
`20:07.03`	`stavmar`	`Velkyn, I am telling you Necrosis is a big part of that`
`20:07.08`	`Thorgard`	`Your mods are using 72-81 megs?`
`20:07.15`	`PogoTribal`	`You must be using some sketchy mods.`
`20:07.21`	`Velkyn`	`lol - I am not even on my warlock Stavmar :)`
`20:07.26`	`PogoTribal`	`I have a lot of Ace2 mods and I'm only at 30mb`
`20:07.48`	`Velkyn`	`So the #1 killer would be anything using a database?`
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`20:08.03`	`Hjalte`	`Velkyn: I'm using 70-75 ace addons and around 5 non-ace addons and i'm at 27 mb normal and 30-40 mb in raids`
`20:08.07`	`Velkyn`	`IE: Anything like lootlink, atlasloot, mobinfo, etc?`
`20:08.09`	`PogoTribal`	`Even in a 40-man raid with all my mods going on at once I don't top 50mb`
`20:08.21`	`nymbia`	`Velkyn: an item database wont get that big, i'd guess a damage meter?`
`20:08.37`	`Velkyn`	`lol - I have that as well :(`
`20:08.44`	`PogoTribal`	`SWStats is a good damage meter with a small footprint.`
`20:08.47`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: it's not so much database that's the big deal, it's leaks. things that allocate and don't free, like WIM. it eats 10 KiB at every roster update and never lets it go.`
`20:08.49`	`Hjalte`	`Velkyn: You're using swstats?`
`20:08.57`	`Velkyn`	`Yeah`
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`20:09.05`	`Velkyn`	`But I also have damagemeters.`
`20:09.10`	`Feldia`	`lol`
`20:09.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Jesus Velkyn, what the hell all are you running?`
`20:09.12`	`Velkyn`	`I think I just need to start tossing some mods.`
`20:09.12`	`Thorgard`	`;P`
`20:09.14`	`nymbia`	`heh`
`20:09.15`	`PogoTribal`	`That's redundant.`
`20:09.21`	`PogoTribal`	`Velkyn give us a screenshot!`
`20:09.23`	`Hjalte`	`Velkyn: Have you reset sw_stats lately? Try and do that...`
`20:09.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`When was the last time you nuked your SWS?`
`20:09.35`	`Velkyn`	`Well swstats wont show per-fight dps.`
`20:09.51`	`PogoTribal`	`If he hasn't gotten a Nuke warning from SWStats then it's probably fine.`
`20:10.04`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: get properties on your WTF directory real quick please, i'm curious how large it is`
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`20:10.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yeah, seriously, what all are you running? 70+ megs of mem usage now is massive.`
`20:10.14`	`steev64`	`i hate damagemeters`
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`20:10.26`	`Velkyn`	`Zealot it was 110 a minute ago.`
`20:10.30`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`DM 5.5.5 is also sorta borked after this patch.`
`20:10.38`	`PogoTribal`	`You must be doing GC a tone.`
`20:10.48`	`PogoTribal`	`Whats your script mem set at?`
`20:10.53`	`Velkyn`	`128`
`20:10.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Get us a dir listing or screenshot, we can probably make some suggestions.`
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`20:11.37`	`-FISKER_Q\	`dir /b > file.txt`
`20:11.38`	`-FISKER_Q\	`wins`
`20:11.43`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`Hi can you help me with something so stupis but its driving me crazy?`
`20:11.50`	`Velkyn`	`The entire WTF folder is 753kb`
`20:12.00`	`ckknight`	`gah, so stupis!`
`20:12.07`	`PogoTribal`	`I'm in here to help other noobs SeRa, what do you need?`
`20:12.12`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`stupid`
`20:12.28`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`:S not noob /cry`
`20:12.30`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`:)`
`20:12.37`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`am using bartender`
`20:12.46`	`PogoTribal`	`Ok I'll make tha tcall after I see the "stupid" part`
`20:12.47`	`Velkyn`	`Zealot: When you say dir listing, you mean of /addons and when you say Screenshot a screenshot of what exactly?`
`20:12.50`	`PogoTribal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:12.58`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: of the addons dir.`
`20:12.59`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`but for some reason its not hiding the bottom am not using`
`20:13.01`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`a`
`20:13.12`	`teh_cone`	`Pogo or anyone else: is there a way to have aceupdater use one of the mirror sites?`
`20:13.14`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`all are showing even so i choose to hide them`
`20:13.19`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`wat to do :'(`
`20:13.27`	`Thorgard`	`teh_cone, yes, tell it to in the preferences?`
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`20:13.29`	`PogoTribal`	`You mean you're still seeing the default blizzard bars?`
`20:13.30`	`durcyn`	`teh_cone: edit\|preferences`
`20:13.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`of addons. Either run a dos box (start - open - cmd) and go to that dir and do dir /b > addons.txt`
`20:13.41`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`no not that`
`20:13.49`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`or just take a screenshot of list view of your /addons dir`
`20:13.58`	`PogoTribal`	`teh_cone: I'm still a Ace2 noob, I don't program, I'm in here cus I love Ace mods :)`
`20:13.59`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`i still see the empty ones in bartender`
`20:14.14`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`and i want to hide them, when their empty`
`20:14.16`	`PogoTribal`	`You're seeing the bars that you're no tusing?`
`20:14.27`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`they're**`
`20:14.42`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`yes`
`20:14.47`	`PogoTribal`	`Ok, when you unlock the mod so that you can see the bars, the ones that show up should be green, and the ones that you want hidden should be red, do you see that?`
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`20:14.58`	`PogoTribal`	`If you click on the green bars once, they will turn red and therefore be hidden.`
`20:15.17`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`that way it hide the whole bar`
`20:15.21`	`VIceBox`	`SeRaPhiCa: did you turned off the "show grid" function?`
`20:15.29`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`yes`
`20:15.39`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`but even so`
`20:15.45`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`its still showing`
`20:15.47`	`PogoTribal`	`For bars that you do not want to use, click on them and make them red, did you do that?`
`20:15.52`	`Thorgard`	`Yeah, the 'show grid' thing isn't working for BT3 right now, it seems.`
`20:16.03`	`Thorgard`	`You can't hide the empty buttons, or, at least, I can't.`
`20:16.11`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`i cant too`
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`20:16.23`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`its not only me then`
`20:16.40`	`VIceBox`	`already tried changing the theme and then reloadui'd?`
`20:16.40`	`PogoTribal`	`Might need an update then. I'm gonna see if I can test the same thing.`
`20:17.11`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`yeah`
`20:17.25`	`VIceBox`	`which rev do you got?`
`20:17.39`	`Velkyn`	`Okay here is a SS of the Addons Dir: http://imagesocket.com/view/addons_dirf5d.JPG`
`20:17.39`	`CIA-17`	`03kameril * r24686 10BarAnnounce3/BarAnnounce3.toc: BarAnnounce3:-toc update`
`20:17.52`	`Borsch`	`�hm.. is there any way to find out which of my addons slows down my pc the most?`
`20:18.09`	`CIA-17`	`03kameril * r24687 10BA3_SpellAbilities/BA3_SpellAbilities.toc: BA3_SpellAbilities: -toc update`
`20:18.13`	`Velkyn`	`Now I dont have everything in there enabled... basically from CT all I am using is MailMod, Pearl is enitrely diabled.`
`20:18.25`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`i update with ace updater. so i guess the latest`
`20:18.45`	`Kilabie`	`Borsch: Try teksupport (aceaddon)`
`20:18.45`	`steev64`	`http://www.wengerna.com/browse/product.jsp?prod_id=1260&cat_id=1&cat_name=Knives&sub_cat_id=23 thats what im talkin about`
`20:18.53`	`VIceBox`	`gonna take a look if i got the same prob`
`20:19.43`	`teh_cone`	`hmm looks like aceupdater can't get addons directly from the SVN. is there any other mirrors of wowace.com/files/ ?`
`20:19.48`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Redundancy: why have atlas and atlasloot AND Cartographer?`
`20:20.12`	`Thorgard`	`teh_cone, http://svn1.wowace.com/files/ is working fine for me.`
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`20:20.38`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Delete the CT Mods that you don't actually use on any char (which if yer smart, is all of 'em except maybe mailmod and CTRA if it's absolutely required, but you can do better with oRA2)`
`20:20.58`	`VIceBox`	`offtopic: yay, highlord kruul in IF`
`20:21.01`	`PogoTribal`	`Holy shit!`
`20:21.07`	`PogoTribal`	`That's a lot of fucking mods.`
`20:21.09`	`Panye`	`just like to say converted 5 people from my guild to Ace after CTRA sucks`
`20:21.09`	`Saladin`	`and ctprofiles ;)`
`20:21.11`	`PogoTribal`	`excuse my language`
`20:21.17`	`PogoTribal`	`SeRaphica: I can't recreate your bug.`
`20:21.18`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`You use ALL those Fu plugins? Why both MiniPerfsFu and PerformanceFu, for example?`
`20:21.33`	`PogoTribal`	`My revision is from last night, so I don't see how it could be a version problem.`
`20:21.38`	`Velkyn`	`One sec Zealot - let me mark out what I am not using atm.`
`20:21.59`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`PogoTribal bare with me a sec.. what does that mean??`
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`20:22.11`	`kenlyric\|work`	`WOW`
`20:22.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Enchantrix or GFW Disenchant Predictor - pick one or the other. More redundancy.`
`20:22.15`	`Thorgard`	`PogoTribal, are you talking about BT3?`
`20:22.22`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: Replace CT_Mailmod with Postal. ditch all the CT crap, replace Trinity with Bongos or Bartender3, remove Necrosis entirely, remove LootLink in favor of Ludwig or Linkerator`
`20:22.27`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I thought I had a lot of mobs. I tip my hat to you.`
`20:22.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`InFlight AND ToFu: why?`
`20:22.46`	`steev64`	`i have a lot of mods :(`
`20:22.48`	`steev64`	`98`
`20:22.49`	`CIA-17`	`03nimbal 07Nimbal * r24688 10Buffalo/Buffalo/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Buffalo (Branch): Just uploading for backup. Let's get rid of layouts and say "Hello!" to single containers.`
`20:22.49`	`durcyn`	`Auctioneer, ugh >_<`
`20:23.03`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Why do you have a seperate install of ItemBonusLib? If you're using embeds, as it appears you are, it's included in ItemBonusesFu`
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`20:23.08`	`steev64`	`-13 from blizard`
`20:23.09`	`kergoth`	`i'm back up to 226 in mine, ram usage at login is 28 megs :\|`
`20:23.12`	`PogoTribal`	`Thorgard: yes.`
`20:23.12`	`steev64`	`so, 85`
`20:23.15`	`-FISKER_Q\	`Anyone got a copy of prat somewhere?`
`20:23.23`	`-FISKER_Q\	`My last update didn't go so well`
`20:23.23`	`Panye`	`I use 86`
`20:23.25`	`Thorgard`	`PogoTribal, well, if you update you'll have the problem.`
`20:23.28`	`Brutus`	`Any idea why aguf wouldn't be showing party pets?`
`20:23.38`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: I'd also ditch the Monkey* shyte for QuestsFu`
`20:23.44`	`PogoTribal`	`SeRaPhiCa: Ok, wait for an update or use an old revision.`
`20:23.45`	`Thorgard`	`PogoTribal, check the changelog.. ;P lots of "I hope this doesn't break something" stuff. ;)`
`20:23.49`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I have 100, including the blizz ones.`
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`20:23.50`	`Panye`	`but I dont think I need half of them`
`20:23.50`	`SkorcherX`	`i prolly have about 50`
`20:23.52`	`steev64`	`sorry, but monkey* > QuestsFu`
`20:23.53`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`so any answers on bt3??`
`20:23.56`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: and replace SuperInspect with Voyeur`
`20:23.58`	`SkorcherX`	`including fu plugins`
`20:24.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`LootLink is probably sucking a good 5 or more megs itself. TooltipExhange or Ludwig would be more efficient alternatives.`
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`20:24.08`	`Thorgard`	`SeRaPhiCa, yes, revert to an earlier version or wait for a fix.`
`20:24.21`	`durcyn`	`ZealotOnAStick: he also has Linkerator loaded, which is more compact than either of those, even.`
`20:24.25`	`kenlyric\|work`	`heh, fu mods are half of my mods. I want everything in a fu :)`
`20:24.34`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Ahh, ok. Not familiar with Linkerator.`
`20:24.34`	`durcyn`	`steev64: personal preference then =P`
`20:24.38`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`aah ok then. thank you guys ur the best :)`
`20:24.56`	`durcyn`	`jesus. MobHealth AND MobInfo?`
`20:24.57`	`kergoth`	`monkeyquestlog kicks ass`
`20:25.03`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`why both PetInFu and PetInfoFu?`
`20:25.05`	`Thorgard`	`kergoth, word.`
`20:25.11`	`SeRaPhiCa`	`TheKarn PogoTribal ty. lates dudes`
`20:25.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`oh, ANd PetFu`
`20:25.24`	`teh_cone`	`Thanks Thorgard :)`
`20:25.27`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: dude, delete the whole damn thing and start over. that's a colossal effing mess.`
`20:25.33`	`Velkyn`	`lol`
`20:25.36`	`kergoth`	`thats a good idea`
`20:25.41`	`kergoth`	`i wiped my set and started from scratch a while ago`
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`20:25.44`	`kergoth`	`its a pain, but worth it`
`20:25.46`	`steev64`	`http://dev.gentoo.org/~steev/files/screenshots/addons.png`
`20:25.50`	`Velkyn`	`Let me load up what I AM using.`
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`20:26.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`You don't need a seperate Stitch-1.0 lib. It's embedded in StitchUI`
`20:26.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Perference, but TinyTip >>> TipBuddy`
`20:26.51`	`SkorcherX`	`what clas you play steev64?`
`20:26.51`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`redundancy: Quickloot AND Fruityloots`
`20:26.51`	`Panye`	`noob question is Ace2 needed or is that just used by devs`
`20:26.54`	`Vanish`	`If only TinyTipFu would remember where I put it on the minimap between sessions`
`20:26.54`	`kenlyric\|work`	`yeah, build it all out from wau :)`
`20:26.54`	`Velkyn`	`http://imagesocket.com/view/addons_dir5a5.JPG`
`20:26.57`	`kergoth`	`http://covenant.kergoth.com/svn/kergwow/trunk/AddOns/ is mine atm`
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`20:27.06`	`kenlyric\|work`	`2.0 was a good time to start from scratch.`
`20:27.13`	`steev64`	`SkorcherX: rogue, warrior, mage, rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue, warlock`
`20:27.17`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ScoreSort: part of default UI now in 2.0.3`
`20:27.21`	`Velkyn`	`I dont have everything in there loaded - some of the redundancy stuff was me looking at different "options"`
`20:27.26`	`kenlyric\|work`	`and, well, ace mods got updated a lot faster than anyone else, so that's why I went ace ;)`
`20:27.54`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Why both SphereLoader ANd Venantes? Or is that part of Venantes? Why Venantes if you only have Necrosis, and not any of the other Necrosis-like mods?`
`20:28.15`	`Grtar_`	`Quick question (which I am sure has been answered lots before).. anyone else getting a ton of Gratuity lib errors?`
`20:28.15`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Basically: If you're not actually -using- any of that on any chars, delete the folders.`
`20:28.23`	`Velkyn`	`K`
`20:28.30`	`Velkyn`	`NEcro is warlock, Vena is Hunter.`
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`20:28.44`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Then once you've rid your addons dir of all the unused crap, post another shot.`
`20:28.51`	`Velkyn`	`K`
`20:28.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Oh. I thought Venantes was the "pick which necrosis-clone" deal. My bad.`
`20:29.27`	`Velkyn`	`I saw that Ace had a Hedge, or something like that but I couldnt get info on it from the wiki... so I didnt try it.`
`20:29.40`	`durcyn`	`Henge. and it's not complete for all classes by any means yet.`
`20:29.57`	`durcyn`	`you should look at Acolyte in the mean tmie`
`20:30.07`	`Velkyn`	`The biggest thing about Necrosis is the SS timer.`
`20:30.17`	`VIceBox`	`Anyone knows about an AutoBar error in combination with cyCircled? :>`
`20:30.38`	`Velkyn`	`I did read and copy out what someone was saying about making SnaFu work though.`
`20:30.39`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Personally I use DoTimer and ShardAce.`
`20:30.47`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I really miss Sprocket a ton, though.`
`20:30.58`	`steev64`	`SkorcherX: i mainly play 2 different rogues (60 NE 22/2/27) (38 H 4/33/0)`
`20:31.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`DoTimer or Chronometer (personal preference) and many other lock mods will consume way less than necrosis.`
`20:31.15`	`SkorcherX`	`38 H>?`
`20:31.17`	`steev64`	`i think are the stats on the 38`
`20:31.18`	`steev64`	`human`
`20:31.21`	`SkorcherX`	`ahhhh`
`20:31.26`	`steev64`	`sword spec`
`20:31.29`	`SkorcherX`	`i wanted to assume horde...`
`20:31.34`	`SkorcherX`	`but.. not very precise`
`20:31.50`	`steev64`	`the NE is imp sap and whatnot`
`20:32.14`	`steev64`	`and since they made it 100% return to stealth now`
`20:32.21`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24689 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_Options.lua ag_UnitClass.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua):`
`20:32.21`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`20:32.21`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:32.21`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:32.34`	`SkorcherX`	`ahhh... yeah i had a NE rogue.. once upon a time... back at release, then played a NE priest to 60, then went horde and now have a 60 warrior, which used to raid.`
`20:32.53`	`Thorgard`	`Yay.`
`20:33.02`	`*** join/#wowace FelixTeCat (n=Miranda@dsl7-p113.intrstar.net)`
`20:33.03`	`steev64`	`yeah, i have a 30 warrior on horde side`
`20:33.06`	`steev64`	`i suck at warrior`
`20:33.10`	`steev64`	`i am very good at rogue`
`20:33.26`	`Panye`	`could someone please check my addon's to see if im using some which aren't needed.. http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6355/addonsbi4.gif`
`20:33.40`	`SkorcherX`	`yeah... the rogue is alot of timing... the warrior is alot of math.`
`20:33.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`There's Acolyte, ShardAce, the (IMO) horrid ShardTracker3G . . .`
`20:33.54`	`SkorcherX`	`and reaction time`
`20:34.05`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I think Necronomicon died off.`
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`20:34.24`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`how big is cartographer?`
`20:34.24`	`steev64`	`my girlfriend plays a mage on horde, and um, sadly, she does most of the tanking`
`20:34.32`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`its taking a long time to start downloading`
`20:34.33`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`lol`
`20:34.39`	`*** join/#wowace ravagernl (n=chatzill@85.148.20.110)`
`20:34.43`	ag`	`there's like instancemaps in it`
`20:34.46`	`steev64`	`is cartographer a replacement for atlas? thats one thing im currently missing`
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`20:34.52`	`ravagernl`	`bleeehhhh... I got wireless`
`20:34.53`	`ne0-`	`hi guys`
`20:34.57`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Cartographer itself is about 2.1 megs right now.`
`20:35.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ckknight hasn't been able to remove the map images for every instance yet.`
`20:35.12`	`ravagernl`	ag`, I have a new statusbar texture, wanna see it?
`20:35.23`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`i do`
`20:35.24`	`Thorgard`	`ravagernl, I want to see it. Show me.`
`20:35.31`	ag`	`ravagernl, feel free to add it to surfaces`
`20:35.33`	`stavmar`	`acolyte is not very exciting, as a lock i just dont like the drop dopwn menus shardace is the best replacement right now lots of features and customization`
`20:35.35`	`ne0-`	`is there a fix for the twins teleport? we are wiping alot atm ;(`
`20:35.40`	`ckknight`	`ZealotOnAStick: yea, some images in there can be taken out already.`
`20:35.57`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ne0: what revision of BigWigs do you have?`
`20:35.59`	`ravagernl`	would like to ag`but dont have svn acces and dont think its needed to get one for such a small change
`20:36.07`	`vhaarr`	`Panye: You're missing BanzaiLib. ClearFont2_FontPack_1, I'm not sure that's needed. FuBar_agufFu can be deleted, so can probably FuBar_oRA2CooldownFu, FuBar_UIReloadFu (BugSack Shift+Click), oCB (get CBRipoff from the SVN), PerfectRaid (doesn't work yet anyway).`
`20:36.17`	ag`	`Kaelten-Laptop, dude, is the server still getting hammered?`
`20:36.21`	ag`	`:P`
`20:36.26`	`Chinku`	`hm. whenever I receive a map note via the guild channel, cart_noteshare complains about database "mining" not being registered... someone else here getting this bug, too?`
`20:36.31`	ag`	`"dude"... I rock`
`20:36.36`	`Kirkburn`	`"ClearFont2_FontPack_1, I'm not sure that's needed" <-- true`
`20:36.39`	`durcyn`	`vhaarr: praid is updated, fyi`
`20:36.43`	`vhaarr`	`aha`
`20:36.44`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	ag` yep
`20:36.47`	`Panye`	`vhaarr thanks`
`20:36.56`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`as for Ora2CooldownFu - I prefer that over the build in oRA2 cooldown monitor, personally.`
`20:37.02`	`Thorgard`	`ravagernl, share the texture or your life is forfeit!`
`20:37.12`	`ravagernl`	`lmao`
`20:37.17`	ag`	`Kaelten-Laptop, damn, I need the forums... Starts ripping out hair`
`20:37.20`	`ravagernl`	`Im the steel texture author by the way`
`20:37.36`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`:P`
`20:37.41`	`ravagernl`	`Im trying to search a place for uploading`
`20:37.44`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`What's the load still at?`
`20:37.45`	ag`	`ravagernl, ok then, upload it somewhere and send me the link`
`20:37.45`	`ravagernl`	`hold on`
`20:37.46`	`ne0-`	`ZealotOnAStick -r24635`
`20:37.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ne0-: Hrm. I wonder if they changed it again.`
`20:38.03`	`ne0-`	`yes`
`20:38.06`	`Thorgard`	`ravagernl, http://www.supload.com/ ?`
`20:38.18`	`ne0-`	`they doesnt drop the target`
`20:38.20`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Get and run Transcriptor along with a combat log.`
`20:38.32`	`ne0-`	`they have a priest targeted at teleport`
`20:38.41`	`ravagernl`	`thorgard, trying to upload a tga image :P`
`20:38.54`	`vhaarr`	`ne0-: What?! They changed Twins again?`
`20:38.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`They may have made it pretty well undetectable now . . . but without detailed info, ammo/rabbit/funky/whoever can't really say.`
`20:39.08`	`vhaarr`	`grrr`
`20:39.14`	`Thorgard`	`ravagernl, are you saying supload don't know that .tga is an image type? ;P Blasphemy!`
`20:39.17`	`ne0-`	`i cant sy it`
`20:39.25`	`stavmar`	`Kirkburn,using the CF with ace do i still need to add the extra folder in the WoW directory to change the startup screen and such? And If i change fonts in game using the FuBar menu will my addons change their font as well`
`20:39.31`	`ravagernl`	`:o`
`20:39.37`	`ravagernl`	`i can upload tga there too`
`20:39.46`	`ne0-`	`sometimes it works (twins have no target for 0,5sek)`
`20:39.49`	`Kirkburn`	`stavmar, yes if you want to change the login screen`
`20:39.57`	`Brutus`	`Any idea why aguf wouldn't be showing party pets?`
`20:40.02`	`Kirkburn`	`Addons _should_ change`
`20:40.04`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`its turned off?`
`20:40.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`My other question is, of course "why the hell do they have a priest targetted?"`
`20:40.14`	`stavmar`	`Kirkburn,ok thanks`
`20:40.16`	`Brutus`	`RaydenUnicyclist, heh, no :)`
`20:40.21`	`Kirkburn`	`np`
`20:40.22`	`Velkyn`	`Zealot & Durcyn: http://imagesocket.com/view/addons_dir713.JPG`
`20:40.26`	`Thorgard`	`Brutus, 'cause it's not working/supposed to at the moment? ;P`
`20:40.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyone spot the problem with this news post? http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/10/burning-crusade-burning-up-ebay/`
`20:40.31`	`*** join/#wowace Knorst (n=Knorst@89.100.185.3)`
`20:40.35`	`Brutus`	`Thorgard, :(`
`20:40.36`	`Velkyn`	`Thats the cleaned up, just what I am using SS.`
`20:40.59`	`ne0-`	`ZealotOnAStick sometimes a offtank or so :/`
`20:41.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`what strategy are you using for the twins?`
`20:41.15`	`Thorgard`	Brutus, aim those sad amileys at ag` or one of the other people updating agUF! ;P
`20:41.20`	`ravagernl`	`http://s2.supload.com/image.php?get=Pill.png`
`20:41.20`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`2 warriors, or 2 wars/2 locks, or what?`
`20:41.26`	`Thorgard`	`Give 'em those puppy-dog eyes.`
`20:41.27`	`Kirkburn`	`See, I'm wondering how anyone can auction a product on eBay ... when no-one HAS the product :/`
`20:41.31`	`ne0-`	`ZealotOnAStick 2 warriors, with a warlock pull`
`20:41.36`	`PogoTribal`	ag` the party units are showing a frozen castbar across the whole frame
`20:41.43`	`ravagernl`	`thats the png, it errored at me when trying to upload tga`
`20:41.46`	`Panye`	`kirkburn: so to change the fonts on the startup screen do you need to have the font folder in the wow directiory??`
`20:41.47`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ok, that's what we do.`
`20:41.48`	`Thorgard`	`ravagernl, what have you named this creation? ;P`
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`20:41.53`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: that's not the whle directory`
`20:41.55`	`ravagernl`	`Pill :)`
`20:41.57`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`If things go right, they shouldn't ever be targetting anyone but the warriors.`
`20:42.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Panye, yes`
`20:42.05`	`SkorcherX`	`wait ag' has spellalert support now?!`
`20:42.11`	`Thorgard`	`ravagernl, that's disturbing. ;P`
`20:42.14`	`Thorgard`	`SkorcherX, yes.`
`20:42.14`	`SkorcherX`	`for hte stock spell alert?`
`20:42.16`	`durcyn`	`SkorcherX: castbars, yes. for a few days.`
`20:42.21`	`SkorcherX`	`hell ya!`
`20:42.26`	`ne0-`	`ZealotOnAStick is there a way to manually pull the warnings on?`
`20:42.30`	`SkorcherX`	`few days? until TBC?`
`20:42.32`	`Panye`	`kirkburn: just a simple copy and paste or renaming of fonts`
`20:42.41`	`Thorgard`	`SkorcherX, he means it's had it for a few days.`
`20:42.44`	`ravagernl`	`lol, /tmp/phpbyPe7L - Could not process as image or zip file`
`20:42.45`	`Pkekyo`	`anyone here know why I have problems using different profiles with Bartender on different char? it's screwing everything up, gotta reconfig everything when I change char -_-`
`20:42.46`	`Thorgard`	`SkorcherX, it'll continue to have it.`
`20:42.47`	`SkorcherX`	`oh oh oh`
`20:42.48`	`durcyn`	`SkorcherX: no, since a few days ago`
`20:43.04`	`Kirkburn`	`Panye, you'll have to copy and rename fonts, should be on the readme which comes with ClearFont2`
`20:43.08`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Velkyn: delete Swatter. Buggrabber/bugsack will do the same job, and better.`
`20:43.12`	`ravagernl`	`Yup, doesnt support tga images.`
`20:43.26`	`PogoTribal`	`He has Bugsack too.`
`20:43.33`	`PogoTribal`	`Christ Velkyn, do you enable all these?`
`20:43.35`	`SkorcherX`	`gotcha. i have been using ag' for a while now... and was dissapointed they didnt support the new stock spellalerts.. but now... oh man.. the ultimate unitframes`
`20:43.39`	`Panye`	`many thanks kirkburn, legend!!`
`20:43.40`	`stavmar`	`Kirkburn,what font do you use and at what size do you have it at?`
`20:43.53`	`stavmar`	`i want to be just like you Kirkburn`
`20:43.54`	`ravagernl`	`pkekyo: you have to first set a different profile, like a char specific profile, then you can change the settings`
`20:43.57`	`Kirkburn`	`Calibri, I have UI scale off`
`20:44.08`	`PogoTribal`	`Enabling/disabling castbars on the party frames bugs the frames.`
`20:44.10`	`Kirkburn`	`(and at scale 100%)`
`20:44.24`	`Kirkburn`	`stavmar, aww that's both cute and disturbing :)`
`20:44.27`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`A lot of your Fizzwidget stuff (GFW) replicates Auctioneer Pack's functionality. Tooltip cost and informant. Disenchant Predictor and Enchantrix.`
`20:44.38`	`Kirkburn`	`Panye, glad to help`
`20:44.44`	`Pkekyo`	`I've both made a profile by the name of my hunter, and chose the hunter and warrior profiles on both chars, but it keeps screwing up`
`20:44.51`	`stavmar`	`Kirkburn,thanks i must have my UI too tine to appreciate the fonts i guess, i just never get what i see in some of the screen shots out there`
`20:44.59`	`Kirkburn`	`I've only just got back to Uni, so I should have more of a chance to look at ClearFont now`
`20:45.03`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ExperienceFu and FuXPFu is sort of redundant.`
`20:45.12`	`Kirkburn`	`stavmar, scale it up then :)`
`20:45.21`	`stavmar`	`lol`
`20:45.24`	`Thorgard`	`/msg stavmar So when do you want us to kidnap Kirkburn so you can do the face-transplant operation?`
`20:45.26`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`err, reagent cost, not tooltip cost.`
`20:45.26`	`Thorgard`	`oops`
`20:45.35`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`20:45.37`	`PogoTribal`	`Pkekyo: Try reloading your UI after changing the profile.`
`20:45.49`	`steev64`	`feh`
`20:45.53`	`Pkekyo`	`PogoTribal: doesn't change anything`
`20:45.56`	`Kirkburn`	`I managed to overhaul the ClearFont2 website whilst bored though :P`
`20:45.58`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`mobhealth and mobinfo2 are redundant, more or less.`
`20:46.00`	`steev64`	`after this latest patch WoW won't quit properly for me in cedega`
`20:46.16`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`What is itembonuslib loaded for?`
`20:46.17`	`Velkyn`	`But mobhealth wont track drops, right?`
`20:46.22`	`PogoTribal`	`Pkekyo: it sounds like you may have setup your bars on a different profile, perhaps default, and then reconfigured certain other profiles, try a clean slate.`
`20:46.26`	`ravagernl`	ag`: http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=50887
`20:46.30`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`mobinfo has mobhealth as a dependency`
`20:46.31`	`SkorcherX`	`mobinof tracks drops`
`20:46.34`	`SkorcherX`	`info**`
`20:46.45`	`PogoTribal`	`Pkekyo: A goo dway to set it up is to set up the default bars in a way you like, and then switch to another profile and copy settings from Default`
`20:46.54`	`Velkyn`	`Zealot: Scan Itembonuses`
`20:47.12`	`Pkekyo`	`PogoTribal: that's how I did it in the first place`
`20:47.12`	`stavmar`	`Thorgard,i have the anesthesia equipment and the drug so whe you have the time,lol`
`20:47.18`	`PogoTribal`	`Pkekyo: Unless this is a recent bug that I'm not having problems with because BT didn't need an update.`
`20:47.20`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`yes . . . but that's just a lib. by itself, it does nothing. What addon is using it, and does that addon not have it embedded?`
`20:47.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`same with stitch-1.0 and rosterlib.`
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`20:47.50`	`PogoTribal`	`Scan Itembonuses is useless now, you realize?`
`20:47.56`	`PogoTribal`	`Character screen shows your bonus healing?`
`20:47.58`	`Pkekyo`	`well, guess it doesn't matter...Kalimdor have been offline since the patch release on my realm anyways...`
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`20:48.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Single biggest suck I see there though is all that lootlink stuff.`
`20:48.16`	`vhaarr`	`Panye: Oh, and you need ErrorMonster.`
`20:48.24`	`PogoTribal`	`I'm guessing Velkyn is one of these people that saves things that they never use through their life, but they don't throw it away because "Oh maybe I'll use it someday."`
`20:48.29`	`Thorgard`	`Wow.. Attumen the Huntsman drops his horse.`
`20:48.38`	`Velkyn`	`Zealot: Itembonus, is for BonusScanner I believe.`
`20:49.04`	`Velkyn`	`Zealot: Ok lootlink gone, its buggy as hell and no one seems to be surpporting it atm.`
`20:49.07`	`PogoTribal`	`ItemBonusLib is for the scanner, it's required.`
`20:49.18`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`And you've got like 3 or 4 different things that duplicate "adding crap to tooltips" functionality. GFW reagent, informant, mendeleev . . .`
`20:49.36`	`PogoTribal`	`What's a good "adding crap to tooltips" Ace2 mod?`
`20:49.52`	`Velkyn`	`Zealot: Yeah its basically they dont all do the same things :(`
`20:50.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`PogoTribal: for which scanner? I don't see one specifically listed there, and if he has an ace2 mod that scans those, it should be embedded.`
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`20:50.29`	`ravagernl`	`Is there anyway I can get chatzilla to notify me when the svn bot posts something in this channel?`
`20:50.32`	`PogoTribal`	`ItemBonusLib is for BonusScanner I think.`
`20:51.10`	`PogoTribal`	`ravagernl: I think some clients let you specify a reaction to text, which in this case would be any line written by CIA`
`20:51.19`	`Pkekyo`	`anyone here have a char on Bloodfeather EU?`
`20:51.22`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`xchat does that`
`20:51.24`	`PogoTribal`	`I know some people setup their IRC so that the window blinks if their name is said.`
`20:51.31`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Do you use all of those closetgnome plugins (not that they're much, CG is tinyish)`
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`20:51.40`	`PogoTribal`	`I use BersIRC though I dunno Chatzilla.`
`20:52.02`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`no, BonusScanner is what ItemBonusLib was written to replace.`
`20:52.11`	`Velkyn`	`Everything but Bigwiggs - which is dissabled actually.`
`20:52.14`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`what do all these itembonus plugins do?`
`20:52.30`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`TitanItemBonuses/ItemBonusFu are the things that actually use one of those (or a few other things, like maybe SuperInspect or so forth)`
`20:52.55`	`Velkyn`	`I believe SuperInspect using Bonus Scanner, which uses ItemBonusLib`
`20:53.11`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`what do these plugins do exactly?`
`20:53.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:53.27`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`the item bonus ones`
`20:53.34`	`Velkyn`	`When I inspect another player, it scans through their gear, lists up all their bonuses and displays them int he inspect window`
`20:53.43`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`oh`
`20:53.59`	`Velkyn`	`So... I inspect another Warlock for instance, it tells me how much spelldmg, int, etc... he is getting from gear.`
`20:54.16`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`that's nice`
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`20:54.35`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: incorrect`
`20:54.56`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: BonusScanner is self-only, SuperInspect never has depended on it, as it uses its own calculations for target inspect bonuses`
`20:55.03`	`Velkyn`	`Okay.`
`20:55.14`	`durcyn`	`Which are, it should be noted, heinously incorrect`
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`20:55.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and BonusScanner is the original "lib" sort of addon that other addons got info from.`
`20:55.29`	`abyssichate`	`There is nothing Ace like SuperInspect isn't htere?`
`20:55.37`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Which ItemBonusesLib was intended to replace.`
`20:55.46`	`Velkyn`	`So what should I ditch?`
`20:55.50`	`durcyn`	`only thing that comes close is Voyeur, and it's more along the lines of Goodinspect. just adds guild rank and such.`
`20:56.02`	`abyssichate`	`okay`
`20:56.07`	`Velkyn`	`Also - on the topic of tooltip info, what one mod can I get to give me the most info?`
`20:56.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`abyssichate: not really, no. Voyeur is a very basic inspect improvement, but doesn't do all the fanciness of SuperInspect.`
`20:56.19`	`ravagernl`	`If you want superinspect, just get superinspect`
`20:56.22`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: BonusScanner -was- used by FuBar_ItemBonusesFu, which now uses IBL. Old Theorycraft used it too, but you can probably safely get rid of it.`
`20:56.32`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Velkyn: try disabling both, and see if anything bitches.`
`20:56.43`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'd wager that nothing will, and you can delete them both, but find out first.`
`20:56.50`	`Velkyn`	`K.`
`20:56.55`	`Illuminati`	`I use tinytip and tinytip extras.. all I care about is name class guild and target of target`
`20:57.18`	`ne0-`	`ZealotOnAStick down =)`
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`20:57.40`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Cool. Anything decent, or the same mail belt of questionable use?`
`20:58.05`	`Velkyn`	`So what is in there, that I can replace with Ace mods?`
`20:58.10`	`ravagernl`	`you can get rabbit's fizzle to colour the items by rarity`
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`20:58.18`	`ne0-`	`oum plate belt with 35heal :O`
`20:58.26`	`Velkyn`	`Thats atleast roughly going to give me the same fuctionality.`
`20:58.53`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Well, since KCI2 is still a ways off, nothing really replaces everything the auctioneer pack does. Just make damn sure you have it set to load at AH only.`
`20:59.02`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`or just restrict it to a specific ah mule char.`
`20:59.06`	`ravagernl`	`Fence ftw :P`
`20:59.16`	`kenlyric\|work`	`KCI still works fine.`
`20:59.16`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Fence replaces some of the auctioning functionality, but not all.`
`20:59.32`	`Matrix110`	`or just dont use those things atall:P`
`20:59.33`	`kenlyric\|work`	`if all you do with auctioneer is scan and then have it set auction prices for you, KCI more than does that.`
`20:59.40`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`bunch of folks will tell you to use CBRipoff, but I prefer eCB myself as well.`
`20:59.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`if you play the AH with bidbroker, etc, then yeah, you'll need auctioneer for a while longer.`
`21:00.01`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24690 10Prat/modules/UrlCopy.lua: Prat: Removed the chatlink filter from the url pattern list, the purpose it served there is no longer needed`
`21:00.03`	`kenlyric\|work`	`meh, use aguf instead :)`
`21:00.08`	`Velkyn`	`Yeah I make LOTS of money with auctioneer...`
`21:00.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Bar mods are very much a personal taste thing, but either Bongos (not Ace2, but still good) or Bartender3 would both be much less memory intensive than Trinity.`
`21:00.19`	`Velkyn`	`Sell an item or DE it and sell that... etc.`
`21:00.23`	`ravagernl`	`I don't use oCB or eCB, using the castbar of ICEhud :D`
`21:00.31`	`kenlyric\|work`	`bongos is nice. Fisher price bar bod.`
`21:00.40`	`kenlyric\|work`	`even keybinding is easy, which I understand is a sin for bar mods.`
`21:00.47`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`What does SphereLoader do again?`
`21:01.07`	`Velkyn`	`Checks class of character, to determine if Necro or Vena should load.`
`21:01.18`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Velkyn: if you don't use bidbroker, then you don't need auctioneer.`
`21:01.19`	`Velkyn`	`Or nothing at all.`
`21:01.22`	`Matrix110`	`Quite some Unitframes have a castingbar functionality now integrated you can aswell use them to replace your castingbar`
`21:01.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Velkyn: disable rosterlib and stitch-1.0. If you're using embedded libs, you shouldn't need either of those.`
`21:01.37`	`Velkyn`	`Did that Z.`
`21:01.45`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Velkyn: why? Enable venantes for your hunter at addon screen, and necrosis for your lock . . .`
`21:01.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`sort of a silly mod since there are character-specific addon configs.`
`21:02.18`	`ravagernl`	`DOnt even need to disable those librarys, as the _should_ be LOD`
`21:02.23`	`ravagernl`	`they*`
`21:02.27`	`Velkyn`	`I can try to remove it - see if it pisses either or the others off.`
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`21:03.00`	`Velkyn`	`Cart - atm isnt listing loot from instances, is it?`
`21:03.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ravagernl: if they're already embedded, they're redundant anyway.`
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`21:03.12`	`PogoTribal`	`When you guys are rewriting your mods, do you keep reloading WoW client or is there some other way for you to test your code in real time?`
`21:03.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`it is, but I believe only bosses, not trash.`
`21:03.20`	`ravagernl`	`hmm yeah`
`21:03.25`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`you click on one of the boss skull icons and it'll list their loot table.`
`21:03.25`	`andremar`	`PogoTribal: real coders never make mistakes`
`21:03.48`	`Velkyn`	`I will check that out when I get back in game, and if looks like it can replace atlasloot I will ditch it.`
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`21:04.27`	`durcyn`	`Velkyn: InstanceLoot is functioning in Cartographer.`
`21:04.30`	`PogoTribal`	`andremar: Then real coders don't exist.`
`21:04.32`	`Panye`	`hmmm an error, fu_bar durtek need gratuity???`
`21:04.34`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`PogoTribal: there's a lua with wow functions added in that Cogwheel has posted on WoWInterface, which is useful for some stuff. It'll catch syntax errors and all that.`
`21:04.36`	`vhaarr`	`PogoTribal: Personally I tend to write it all and then load up WoW and test it, and usually there are a few things that have to be corrected right away. But there's something called WoWBench. I'm not sure how complete it is though.`
`21:04.40`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`but some stuff you just have to test with a live client.`
`21:04.47`	`stavmar`	`Velkyn, i tiried to make it replace atlasloot enhanced but I cant ALE is just too much good information to pass up more importantly it is very organized`
`21:04.54`	`andremar`	`PogoTribal: hehe :p`
`21:05.32`	`Daemona`	`yeah now i know how TBC feels, fun BWL run as horde and vael drops dual paladin belt ;)`
`21:05.34`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`andremar: I think it's "Real coders never make mistakes, just unintended features"`
`21:05.35`	`Velkyn`	`Okay, how about Mobinfo... anything Ace to replace it with?`
`21:05.48`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Depends.`
`21:05.57`	`Spamn`	`there was a server restart a few minutes ago and my entire UI died on me`
`21:05.58`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`If you just want the mob hp info, Mobhealth3`
`21:06.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`If you want the browser and their loot drops, and all that other DB stuff. No.`
`21:06.13`	`stavmar`	`Velkyn, I use cartographer everyday but i also use atlassloot, the issue is that when he releases the next major version to atlasloot you will need to have atlas as far as I can tell; that is how his beta is currently wokring, and then we get back to memory usage again.`
`21:06.15`	`Velkyn`	`I like - health, exp, to level, and "item drop" info thats what I use MobInfo for.`
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`21:06.46`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Oh.`
`21:06.47`	`Velkyn`	`Yeah I love Cart its very sexy.`
`21:06.52`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Why both EQL3 and the MonkeyQuest stuff?`
`21:06.56`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`those seem redundant.`
`21:07.07`	`durcyn`	`stavmar: new atlas is using in-game hashes to pull textures for maps anyway, so that's moot`
`21:07.13`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r24691 10CBRipoff/ (CBRipoff.toc locale/deDE.lua): CBRipoff: Added deDE Translation`
`21:07.14`	`Velkyn`	`Monkey Quest is on screen, EQL is an upgrade to the quest window itself.`
`21:07.26`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and monkeyquestlog?`
`21:07.30`	`Velkyn`	`Though I can burn monkeyspeed and clock.`
`21:07.48`	`stavmar`	`durcyn,so i should have no issues having atlas and cartographer in game not affecting my performance at all`
`21:07.50`	`Velkyn`	`Prolly trash that as well - its just quick way to see quest write up`
`21:08.33`	`stavmar`	`Extended quest log is much cleaner over monkey quest but i am not sure if they updated it after this last 2.0.3 patch`
`21:08.33`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`stavmar: that's not something I'd want to try to say/predict.`
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`21:08.34`	`Matrix110`	`standard questlog ftw`
`21:08.34`	`Matrix110`	`!`
`21:08.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I wonder if the updated UberQuest works right now.`
`21:08.43`	`Velkyn`	`Its not, and the thing I love about MonkeyQuest is the onscreen up all the time.`
`21:08.45`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`If not, I should look at hacking it up before Tuesday.`
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`21:09.39`	`durcyn`	`stavmar: i wouldn't say "at all", but they're both headed towards not using external textures`
`21:09.46`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I was reasonably impressed with QuestFu, myself.`
`21:09.56`	`Panye`	`hmmm where can I find gratuity??`
`21:09.57`	`Barbanus`	`Who is "Rislyn" on the UI forums?`
`21:10.06`	`Barbanus`	`never seen him before today`
`21:10.19`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`panye: if it's not included, it should be on www.wowace.com/files`
`21:10.23`	`Matrix110`	`Panye wowace.com/files`
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`21:10.32`	`Velkyn`	`Guys thank you so much for the help`
`21:10.55`	`Panye`	`oh I use wowupdater`
`21:10.57`	`djspark`	`maybe a suggestion for Fubar, would it be possible to introduce a timer on hover over before it actives the mouseover popups... same as the chat windows`
`21:11.13`	`djspark`	`so that hwen you are reaching for your bag you dont have factonfu cover up everything`
`21:11.19`	`Velkyn`	`Thats a good suggest djspark.`
`21:11.28`	`djspark`	`could that be done at the fubar level, or would each component need it?`
`21:11.49`	`Matrix110`	`just query ckknight :P`
`21:11.54`	`djspark`	`where a user could configure how many ms before it is activated`
`21:12.11`	`frollo`	`what is uberquest`
`21:12.16`	`frollo`	`and what does questfu do`
`21:12.17`	`PogoTribal`	`That's a damn goo didea djspark.`
`21:12.18`	`frollo`	`i think i have questfu`
`21:12.20`	`frollo`	`but i can't remember`
`21:12.42`	`ckknight`	`djspark: hrm, complex.`
`21:12.45`	`PogoTribal`	`my money counter fills up my minimap if I slide my mouse too far, and then I can't click on my minimap.`
`21:12.48`	`Vanish`	ag`: Ping
`21:13.05`	`Panye`	`dont listen to me, it was in wowaceupdater... << nub :)`
`21:13.05`	`djspark`	`I'd imagine it'd change the api for all the fubar modules`
`21:13.32`	`ckknight`	`djspark: no, it won't`
`21:14.18`	`kilo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:14.27`	`Vanish`	`ckknight: I'd like to secod that request`
`21:14.37`	`Vanish`	`s/secod/second`
`21:14.51`	`ckknight`	`I seconded your mom's request last night.`
`21:14.51`	`Eternally777`	`s/secod/second/`
`21:15.01`	`ckknight`	`bam!`
`21:15.12`	`Barbanus`	`ckknight, ouch`
`21:15.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`QuestFu is sort of a fubar enabled monkey-quest, with the quest tracker stuf fin the tooltip (which can be detached), and also does some other stuff that modifying tooltips of mobs and items that are required for quests.`
`21:15.16`	`Vanish`	`Yeah, she said the seconds were REALLY sloppy last night. Shoulda known it was you`
`21:15.19`	`djspark`	`ckknight: would it be something like each plugin would not be called on until the fubar was marked active, and would sit in inactive until the mouse reached the configured amount of hovertime`
`21:15.30`	`Kaelten`	`kilo: hrm?`
`21:15.38`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`So you kill QuestMobB and it's tooltip will tell you you've killed QuestMobB (2/10) or whatever.`
`21:15.39`	`Daemona`	`what i like most is the tooltip modifying:)`
`21:15.41`	`ckknight`	`djspark: it'd be handled in FuBarPlugin-2.0`
`21:15.58`	`kilo`	`Kaeltn: entirely possible that I dunno how to use my irc client :)`
`21:16.05`	`djspark`	`hehe obviously :-L`
`21:16.06`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: -1`
`21:16.10`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`21:16.16`	`ckknight`	`vhaarr: hrm?`
`21:16.24`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: -1 for the hover delay`
`21:16.33`	`ckknight`	`meh`
`21:16.38`	`ckknight`	`I'm busy now anyway`
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`21:17.02`	`kilo`	`Kaelten: wanted to suggest that you look at coral to redirect wowace.com/files. It's and automatic transparent proxy that could cut the server load by a ton. Check your gmail for a note on it.`
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`21:17.23`	`Kaelten`	`kilo: k, we're looking at options :)`
`21:17.27`	mth`Twilight	`some1 got a link to tooltipbuddy?`
`21:17.37`	`kilo`	`Understood you're busy :)`
`21:17.41`	`Vanish`	`ZealotOnAStick: why not? As long as it can be turned off...`
`21:17.59`	`kilo`	`but check it out, quick redirect of that one URL and you should (in theory) fix a lot of problems. http://www.coralcdn.org/.`
`21:18.01`	`Vanish`	`Twilight: TinyTip is your beter friend`
`21:18.32`	`djspark`	`ckknight: I'll order you a pizza delivered for it ;-)`
`21:18.37`	`CIA-17`	`03pprovost * r24692 10FuBar_PoisonFu/FuBar_PoisonFu.toc: FuBar_PoisonFu - Updated TOC`
`21:18.37`	mth`Twilight	`okay vanish`
`21:18.49`	`ckknight`	`djspark: lol`
`21:19.17`	`djspark`	`of course, all opensource devs accept pizza as a form of payment`
`21:19.19`	`Vanish`	`Twilight: Seriously, though. TinyTip gives you the same thing as TipBuddy (looks only very slightly different) for a LOT less overhead`
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`21:19.29`	`CIA-17`	`03pprovost * r24693 10LitheTooltipDoctor/LitheTooltipDoctor.toc: LitheTooltipDoctor - Updated TOC`
`21:20.55`	`bigzero`	`can i call a local function from a global one? They're in the same file...`
`21:21.11`	`vhaarr`	`bigzero: As long as the local function is declared before you call it.`
`21:21.24`	`ae`	`hey guys, is there an ace2 addon thats support click healing?`
`21:21.31`	`vhaarr`	`Click2Cast.`
`21:21.34`	`bigzero`	`vhaarr, ah, thanks`
`21:21.37`	`ae`	`ah great, thnx :p`
`21:21.46`	`LLoydBates`	`hm... since wiki is down, where can i see if a 'feature i like to see' (tm) is already on the ToDo list for Cartographer_Herbalism?`
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`21:22.26`	`PogoTribal`	`click healing?`
`21:22.39`	mth`Twilight	`damn i downloaded tinytooltip and i got an error`
`21:22.53`	`LLoydBates`	`PogoTribal: like ctrl+shift+left for a spell on a target unitframe`
`21:22.57`	`Vanish`	`LLoydBates: Query Kergoth`
`21:22.58`	`LLoydBates`	`nice for decursing`
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`21:23.04`	`LLoydBates`	`Vanish: thx`
`21:23.09`	`LLoydBates`	`kergoth: ping`
`21:23.10`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24694 10ClosetGnome_Mount/ClosetGnome_Mount.lua: ClosetGnome_Mount: Attempt to fix battlegrounds.`
`21:23.18`	mth`Twilight	doesn`t it work with the new patch?
`21:23.27`	`PogoTribal`	`That sounds like type-healing to me.`
`21:23.30`	`Vanish`	`Twilight: it works fine. Did you grab all three files?`
`21:23.56`	`PogoTribal`	`[target=mouseover] is the only way to decurse anymore`
`21:24.11`	`ckknight`	`djspark: I also have a paypal account ;-)`
`21:24.22`	`kergoth`	`LLoydBates: pong`
`21:24.32`	`Wogroipl`	`PogoTribal: or a click healing addon ;)`
`21:24.40`	`LLoydBates`	`PogoTribal: i do shift+left click on any sraidframe :)`
`21:24.49`	`djspark`	`ckknight: hehe I have an e-gold account :-)`
`21:25.02`	`CIA-17`	`03pprovost * r24695 10LitheTooltipDoctor/LitheTooltipDoctor.toc: LitheTooltipDoctor - Updated author field in TOC`
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`21:25.23`	`LLoydBates`	`kergoth: Featurerequest for Cartographer_Herbalism (don't know if it should be in there) . showing needed skilllelvel for picking the herb in tooltip`
`21:25.56`	`PogoTribal`	`Hmm... I see what you mean now.`
`21:26.00`	`LLoydBates`	`like 'Black Lotus (295)'`
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`21:26.37`	`LLoydBates`	`[ ] Possible [ ] Won't do [ ] Go away :)`
`21:26.50`	`Vanish`	`LOL`
`21:26.52`	`steev64`	`[X] Fund my development ;)`
`21:26.52`	`Mikma`	`LLoydBates: X`
`21:26.54`	`Klazar\|work`	`LLoydBates: thats a good idea... chased an herb i could'nt pick last night`
`21:27.08`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r24696 10CBRipoff/core/cbripoff.lua: CBRipoff: Added /cbr command to toggle options`
`21:27.11`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24697 10AutoBarConfig/AutoBarConfig.lua:`
`21:27.12`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBarConfig:`
`21:27.12`	`CIA-17`	`- Don't barf out at old SVs.`
`21:27.30`	`djspark`	`Uh oh, look what I started`
`21:27.31`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`LLoydBates, yeah I had a similar idea. Colouring the tooltip when you mouse over the herbs according to difficulty. So Grey/Green/Yellow/Orange/Red`
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`21:27.35`	`djspark`	`it's already out of control!`
`21:27.59`	`RaydenUni`	`are there any graph plugins for wow?`
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`21:28.09`	`RaydenUni`	`maybe graphs your dps over time, or xp over time, or gold over time`
`21:29.05`	`Vanish`	`Hmm. Cool idea, Rayden. If it would graph XP over time with a record of where XP was gained it would help a lot with powerlevelling`
`21:29.15`	`Klazar\|work`	`Autobar all set with the new patch now?`
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`21:29.55`	`CIA-17`	`03moonsorrow * r24699 10XRS/XRS.toc:`
`21:29.55`	`CIA-17`	`XRS:`
`21:29.55`	`CIA-17`	`- updated toc to 20003`
`21:30.29`	`durcyn`	`Klazar\|work: works for me, yes.`
`21:30.35`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`Vanish, that kind of thing would work for tracking AH prices too.`
`21:30.35`	`durcyn`	`until 2.0.4 anyway`
`21:30.37`	`ckknight`	`RaydenUni: it could be made.`
`21:30.43`	`RaydenUni`	`yeah, more to xp/hr than how much xp you get from each guy`
`21:30.44`	mth`Twilight	`Vanish: yes i got all 3 files`
`21:30.46`	`RaydenUni`	`but no one has done it?`
`21:30.51`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`Vanish, so say you wanted to keep an eye on Runecloth..`
`21:30.59`	`Klazar\|work`	`durcyn: thnx`
`21:31.00`	`RaydenUni`	`but you'd have to check the AH all the time`
`21:31.04`	`RaydenUni`	`you can't get prices remotely can you?`
`21:31.11`	`ckknight`	`nope`
`21:31.17`	`RaydenUni`	`hmm`
`21:31.18`	`Vanish`	`Twilight: Hmm.. What error are you getting?`
`21:31.20`	`Barbanus`	`Graphing library for lua, hmmmmmm`
`21:31.22`	`RaydenUni`	`i wish i knew how to make plugins`
`21:31.27`	`Barbanus`	`that would be cool`
`21:31.37`	`ckknight`	`RaydenUni: there's lots of documentation...`
`21:31.39`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`RaydenUni, no but the mod that implemented it could communitcate with other players on the addon channel`
`21:31.49`	`RaydenUni`	`ooh`
`21:31.52`	mth`Twilight	`i didnt load yet but in the char selection i get a incompatible tag for all 3`
`21:31.59`	`RaydenUni`	`so anytime anyone checked the AH it would show up?`
`21:32.00`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`RaydenUni, you know, like notesharing or whatever does`
`21:32.08`	`RaydenUni`	`i haven't played with any of those actually`
`21:32.12`	`RaydenUni`	`i should make this`
`21:32.14`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`RaydenUni, well I expect you'd have to cap it.`
`21:32.18`	`RaydenUni`	`too bad i have so much else to do`
`21:32.24`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`RaydenUni, too much data is bad :P`
`21:32.35`	`Vanish`	`Twilight: On the AddOns screen? Just select the Load Out of Date Addons button. The toc might not be updated yet, but it works fine`
`21:32.44`	mth`Twilight	`okay thanks`
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`21:32.49`	mth`Twilight	`i was a lil bit confused`
`21:32.54`	`RaydenUni`	`well`
`21:32.58`	`RaydenUni`	`when i have more time i may look into it`
`21:32.59`	`Vanish`	`Twilight: np`
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`21:33.06`	`RaydenUni`	`its just all LUA?`
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`21:33.41`	`Vanish`	`Raydenuni: Might need some xml too, but that's easy to pick up`
`21:34.01`	`ravagernl`	`What is moonsorrows irc name, does anyone know`
`21:34.28`	`durcyn`	`~seen Moonsorrow`
`21:34.50`	`purl`	`moonsorrow <~root@ns.tts.ro> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 806d 13h 47m 10s ago, saying: 'hello... i'm having a problem with calls from h323 side to SIP side... it segfaults my asterisk and i found almost no solution on google and newsgroups... any ideas ?'.`
`21:34.51`	`RaydenUni`	`let's say we just do xp. everytime you kill something you need to record the time, the xp`
`21:34.51`	`RaydenUni`	`that's all the info i guess`
`21:34.51`	`vhaarr`	`durcyn: FtH\|eagle`
`21:34.52`	`RaydenUni`	`mob, level, location would be nice`
`21:34.53`	`ravagernl`	`I have a problem with the scaling of Xart`
`21:35.00`	`Vanish`	`RaydenUni: I'd want time, amount, and zone`
`21:35.10`	`RaydenUni`	`you need the time Vanish if you want to graph it`
`21:35.14`	`RaydenUni`	`oh, nevermind`
`21:35.27`	`Vanish`	`;D`
`21:35.34`	`Nayon`	`Are there any major changes to the UI slated for the Day of Release?`
`21:35.45`	`nymbia`	`nope`
`21:35.49`	`durcyn`	`Nayon: most of the BC ui breakages have already been ported in to live`
`21:35.51`	`RaydenUni`	`do plugins that record stuff like Mobinfo just store to a file?`
`21:36.12`	`PogoTribal`	`I have no idea how nRaidtracker works`
`21:36.12`	`shieldb`	`durcyn, actually the closed beta and the live build are both 2.0.3.6299`
`21:36.15`	`durcyn`	`RaydenUni: addons don't have direct filesystem access, just to saved variables that are written on client exit`
`21:36.26`	`PogoTribal`	`I can't see any output files or some way to see the information it tracks`
`21:36.33`	`FtH\|eagle`	`ravagernl: scaling?`
`21:36.47`	`durcyn`	`shieldb: oh, interesting. was hoping they'd finally fix the rest of the protected functions, like i dunno, disenchanting. sigh.`
`21:36.57`	`ravagernl`	`yeah, if you turn on The ui scaling checkbox, the bottomtexture gets smaller`
`21:36.59`	`RaydenUni`	`what are the capabilities for graphics in wow?`
`21:37.02`	`ravagernl`	`in Xart`
`21:37.14`	`RaydenUni`	`i know you can do bars, but draw pixels or lines in 2d?`
`21:37.21`	`ravagernl`	`and its not the correct scale on some resolutions`
`21:37.27`	`FtH\|eagle`	`yeah it does ravagernl, try reloading the ui`
`21:37.28`	`shieldb`	`hopefully they'll have their minor patch to fix a bunch of the 2.0.3 issues by the time bc comes out`
`21:37.32`	`FtH\|eagle`	`then it should scale itself`
`21:37.36`	`shieldb`	`like the targeting lookup`
`21:37.53`	`ravagernl`	`It does not have the right scale when I login`
`21:38.19`	`durcyn`	`shieldb: to say nothing of that hilariously stupid Alterac Valley bug`
`21:38.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`that one is due this week`
`21:38.38`	`shieldb`	`arathi basin is pretty fun, too`
`21:38.48`	`shieldb`	`nothing like taking the blacksmith flag from INSIDE the blacksmith building >.>`
`21:38.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`hopefully tomorrow, I don't think they'll dare patch on the weekend`
`21:40.06`	`CIA-17`	`03uruloke * r24700 10ArcHUD2/ (Core.lua Rings/TargetHealth.lua):`
`21:40.06`	`CIA-17`	`ArcHUD2:`
`21:40.06`	`CIA-17`	`* Fixed bug with TargetHealth ring not swapping to grey when target gets tapped`
`21:40.06`	`CIA-17`	`* Fixed bug with combo points display not resetting on zoning`
`21:40.12`	`PProvost`	`durcyn, what AV bug?`
`21:40.23`	`FtH\|eagle`	`ravagernl: make a screenshot`
`21:40.38`	`shieldb`	`PProvost, being able to capture battleground flags from significantly further away then melee range`
`21:40.40`	`durcyn`	`PProvost: the range check on horde touching PVP objectives`
`21:40.58`	`PProvost`	`Ah right. We got the RH capped on us yesterday while standing there. Sucked.`
`21:41.15`	`PProvost`	`Didn't know what was going on`
`21:41.17`	`PProvost`	`:(`
`21:41.19`	`PProvost`	`Now I do`
`21:41.25`	`PProvost`	`Is it only for Horde?`
`21:41.34`	`ravagernl`	`RH?`
`21:41.36`	`steev64`	`yes`
`21:41.37`	`steev64`	`relief hut`
`21:41.39`	`shieldb`	`not sure if it's only for horde or not for the range bug`
`21:41.39`	`PProvost`	`So that's how they're gonna let horde win AV`
`21:41.46`	`steev64`	`it is`
`21:42.03`	`ravagernl`	`I dont play AV much :P dont have a 60 on pvp realm`
`21:42.03`	`shieldb`	`I know that I've been seeing paladins able to jump the gate in AB before it's open`
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`21:42.15`	`PProvost`	`Don't have to be on a PvP realm...`
`21:42.16`	`PProvost`	`I'm not`
`21:42.21`	`PProvost`	`And I play AV every day`
`21:42.28`	`shieldb`	`not sure how they're doing that but it makes it kinda tough to start the game with four bases already flagged alliance :P`
`21:42.33`	`ravagernl`	`pprovost: Can WAU show the online revision number and the local version number of mods?`
`21:42.50`	`RaydenUni`	`i do'nt see any wow API functions for drawing`
`21:42.57`	`PProvost`	`ravagernl, not right now. Waiting for a better data feed from the wowace web team`
`21:43.04`	`steev64`	`they are probably taking advantage of that logout bug`
`21:43.14`	`ravagernl`	`hmm yeah`
`21:43.19`	`durcyn`	`what's realm type have to do with it? i farmed full exalted with all 3 pvp factions on a pve realm`
`21:43.21`	`Vanish`	`Yeah PvP players get ticked when PvE players join in AB. Nothing worse than seeing an ally waving at the horde instead of beating them silly because "We're nice to Horde on my server"`
`21:43.33`	`durcyn`	`Vanish: you're thinking of RP fags.`
`21:43.39`	`PProvost`	`Cmoe on... thatr doesn't really happen`
`21:43.49`	`steev64`	`i blow kisses to them myself`
`21:43.52`	`ae`	`hey again, how can i turn click2cast back on once disabled?`
`21:43.54`	`ravagernl`	`It might be a good idea to let the user sort by installed addons, and then revision`
`21:43.58`	`steev64`	`but then i kill them`
`21:44.10`	`Vanish`	`durcyn: I wish. We got flooded in AB last weekend with PvE people that didn't get it`
`21:44.33`	`ilifin`	`wait, pve people are "nice" to the horde?`
`21:44.37`	`shieldb`	`I especially enjoy as a rogue that anyone who I jump while they have no target never gets to see a target frame for me >.>`
`21:44.42`	`shieldb`	`hooray ui errors`
`21:44.43`	`Wogroipl`	`ae: do you use Fubar?`
`21:45.04`	mth`Twilight	how can i adjust tinytooltip?`
`21:45.08`	mth`Twilight	`whats the / command?`
`21:45.10`	`ravagernl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.13`	mth`Twilight	`thx`
`21:45.32`	`ravagernl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.33`	`shieldb`	`ilifin, it depends on the server. I've got a couple friends on different pve servers and some of them the general trend is to be nice and wave and such and others the trend is to try to screw them over (train mobs on them, etc)`
`21:45.37`	mth`Twilight	`thats not right^^`
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`21:45.50`	`ae`	`wogroipl: no`
`21:46.03`	`ravagernl`	`I like doing belinda with 2 mages :P`
`21:46.18`	`steev64`	`i had some hunter trying to train mobs onto me at jadefire run the other night`
`21:46.19`	`Wogroipl`	`ae: I can't help you then sorry :( don't know hte / command`
`21:46.20`	`ravagernl`	`shes such a dork`
`21:46.23`	`steev64`	`i just giggled as he would die`
`21:46.37`	`ae`	`ah k`
`21:46.52`	`ravagernl`	`ae: /ace enable click2cast`
`21:46.52`	`ravagernl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:46.52`	`Vanish`	`ckknight: Say I wanted to "fix" a FuBar plugin and make it remember where it was positioned on the minimap between sessions. What woud I be looking for?`
`21:47.25`	`Vanish`	`Twilight: it shuld either be /ttip or /tinytip`
`21:47.45`	`shieldb`	`Vanish, I have that issue with screenswitchfu`
`21:47.46`	mth`Twilight	`yeah but it doesnt work for me^^`
`21:47.56`	`ae`	`ravagernl: thnx`
`21:47.58`	`Tain`	`If it doesn't work then TinyTip isn't actually loaded.`
`21:48.17`	`Vanish`	`shieldb: I have it with TinyTipFU`
`21:48.18`	`ravagernl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:48.44`	`shieldb`	`I finally just settled for putting it on fubar in a location where I didn't mind it so much`
`21:48.46`	`Tain`	`Oh you need TinyTipOptions for slash commands? I guess that's possible.`
`21:49.05`	`durcyn`	`shieldb: "Hide Plugin" ?`
`21:49.06`	`ravagernl`	`ttipoptions is needed for the dewdrop menu`
`21:49.23`	`shieldb`	`durcyn, won't help for this one - you need to be able to see it to use it`
`21:49.29`	`ravagernl`	`it cannot be configured through a slash command`
`21:49.39`	`shieldb`	`screenswitchfu just gives you a clickable deal that changes you from fullscreen to windowed mode`
`21:49.50`	`durcyn`	`shieldb: not necessarily true, that's what DeuceCommander is for`
`21:50.05`	`ravagernl`	`check out switcherfu shielddb`
`21:50.07`	`shieldb`	`yeah deuce is good stuff`
`21:50.10`	mth`Twilight	`how to load tinytip manually?`
`21:50.21`	`Vanish`	`durcyn: Having to use DeuceCommander for ScreenSwitcher would defeat the purpose of making it easy`
`21:50.38`	`shieldb`	`ravagernl, I'll check that out, thanks :)`
`21:50.55`	`shieldb`	`wasn't aware that there was another one that did the same thing, but also not surprising`
`21:52.17`	`beerke`	`Full raid for Kruul, and then he despawns lol`
`21:52.20`	`Vanish`	`ckknight: ping`
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`21:54.20`	`shieldb`	`beerke, "It is not my time."`
`21:54.22`	`shieldb`	`:P`
`21:54.24`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`hmm`
`21:54.29`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`just loaded yata`
`21:54.34`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`I have no totem bar`
`21:54.42`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`is it hidden by default or somthing?`
`21:55.37`	`Tornhoof`	`are you lvl 60?`
`21:56.29`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`no`
`21:56.34`	`Tornhoof`	`see`
`21:56.38`	`Tornhoof`	`then you know whats wrong`
`21:56.44`	`Tornhoof`	`come back when you're lvl 60`
`21:56.53`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`:(`
`21:56.56`	`PogoTribal`	`That's kind of mean...`
`21:57.10`	`Tornhoof`	`it should work after like lvl 30 or something`
`21:57.14`	`beerke`	`shieldb, well had a 25man try to 40%`
`21:57.20`	`beerke`	`then he disappeared`
`21:57.25`	`beerke`	`and is unfindable`
`21:57.26`	`Tornhoof`	`dunno when yuo get all the elements ;)`
`21:57.40`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`Tornhoof, ok I understand. I only have Earth and Fire atm.`
`21:58.10`	`Tornhoof`	`yes`
`21:58.18`	`Tornhoof`	`it's not supposed to work without all the elements`
`21:58.28`	`kagaro`	`KarlThePagan: ping`
`21:58.33`	`ravagernl`	`tornhoof: cycircled support :) ?`
`21:58.36`	`durcyn`	`beerke: which is just silly on blizzard's part, the guy is kazzak with some extra self-heal and the same drops =/`
`21:58.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`kagaro, pong`
`21:59.04`	`Tornhoof`	`no never ravagernl`
`21:59.12`	`kagaro`	`KarlThePagan: while you in babble doing th ezone thing, check out Babble-Ore .. I added a big comment on the bottom take a look at it`
`21:59.12`	`ravagernl`	`:( bleh`
`21:59.15`	`Tornhoof`	`don't use it,never used it, write some plugin for it ;)`
`21:59.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`cool`
`21:59.30`	`Tornhoof`	`i think you need a plugin for it anyway`
`21:59.30`	`ravagernl`	`latest cycirlced is bugging on me by the way`
`21:59.58`	`kagaro`	`KarlThePagan: let me know what you think, i havent decided wether to add whats in the comment or not`
`22:00.00`	`ravagernl`	`hmm ill check out how its written, but I possible need the frame names`
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`22:00.21`	`kagaro`	`back in a few hours time to drive home`
`22:00.40`	`beerke`	`durcyn, well loot is pointless, but from guild perspective we just want him dead`
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`22:00.57`	`durcyn`	`beerke: pointless? he still owes me some leggings!`
`22:01.08`	`beerke`	`Fel Infused ?`
`22:01.13`	`durcyn`	`aye.`
`22:01.25`	`beerke`	`pff gave up on those after 20 times outrolled :)`
`22:01.50`	`ravagernl`	`~seen nevcariel`
`22:02.20`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'nevcariel', ravagernl`
`22:02.20`	`nee-lap`	`Hm.. was the AV queue script broken with this patch?`
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`22:02.26`	`Azurewrath`	`they removed it, yes. But it's still possible by using the addon`
`22:02.26`	`durcyn`	`the last pair i saw was ninja'd by my ex-guildmaster a week before he transferred to join a guild two bosses ahead in naxx. i want them just on principle now :o`
`22:02.33`	`ravagernl`	`hmm`
`22:04.18`	`Vanish`	`wb Clad`
`22:04.51`	`cladhaire`	`zomg thanks!`
`22:04.55`	`shieldb`	`beerke, yeah - if you ever had a raid try to kill anachronos outside the caverns of time he despawns at 20% saying "It is not my time." was the reference I was making`
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`22:05.54`	`Krysstof`	`hello wowace god people (and all the others) :)`
`22:07.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`RAY! when someone asks you if you're a god... you say "YES"`
`22:07.32`	`Vanish`	`LOL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sychowolf7/124428076/`
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`22:07.53`	`Krysstof`	`anyway I donated during the downtime last time, I can't really spare more right now, but good luck for the new server`
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`22:09.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`yay`
`22:09.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`I decided to finally kick in ;)`
`22:09.47`	`snirks`	`so`
`22:09.51`	`snirks`	`i 5 sundered a bear in my guild`
`22:09.57`	`snirks`	`he went down to 15.8k armor`
`22:10.04`	`snirks`	`i was hitting for 50-60`
`22:10.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`lolol`
`22:10.08`	`snirks`	`with a hw quickblade`
`22:10.16`	`snirks`	`and generating around 3 rage on each hit`
`22:10.27`	`snirks`	`god damn it is so unbalanced`
`22:10.32`	`snirks`	`nothing has ever been more unbalanced`
`22:10.33`	`renchap`	`reroll mage ^^`
`22:10.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`or warlock`
`22:10.46`	`KarlThePagan`	`or ... druid`
`22:10.47`	`renchap`	`or paladin`
`22:10.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`paladins got nerfbat`
`22:11.10`	`Vanish`	`Nerfbat in a bubble`
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`22:11.40`	`Krysstof`	`kind of liked the rogue semi"up"... I like combat spec, sue me :)`
`22:11.58`	`Vanish`	`~seen nevcairiel`
`22:12.20`	`purl`	`nevcairiel is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 177 messages. Is idling for 1h 35m 14s, last said: 'Tuller: tell me about it'.`
`22:12.51`	`Vanish`	`There you go, Ravagernl`
`22:13.04`	`Tuller`	`bah :P`
`22:13.26`	`sylvanaar`	`~sylvanaar`
`22:13.30`	`purl`	`ERROR: stack overflow.`
`22:13.37`	`Vanish`	`LOL`
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`22:14.21`	`ravagernl`	`nevcariel: Xart has a problem, and my modified addon too, that its scale is bugged when you change the ui scale`
`22:15.28`	`ravagernl`	`ermm... sorry, messing up wrong people`
`22:15.33`	`Vanish`	`~seen ckknight`
`22:15.41`	`purl`	`ckknight is currently on #wowi-lounge (3h 14m 10s) #norganna (3h 14m 10s) #wowace (3h 14m 10s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 44m 4s, last said: 'RaydenUni: there's lots of documentation...'.`
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`22:16.06`	`Vanish`	`Hmmm. ck has been ignoring me for 44 minutes now... :P`
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`22:16.11`	`kergoth`	`okay, i'm writing an svn pre commit hook thatll prevent you from checking in if you're about to give the file inconsistent line endings`
`22:16.14`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`22:16.16`	`ravagernl`	`nevcariel: tnvm what I said last, wasnt aimed at you, I just wondered if you culd make a cycircled plugin for yata`
`22:16.27`	`Vanish`	`kergoth: ROFL`
`22:16.31`	`renchap`	`lol`
`22:17.19`	`Chinku`	`hm, could anyone tell me offhand, who the author of cartographer_quests is?`
`22:17.22`	`Vanish`	`kergoth: Can you write another one to prevent if you used spaces instead of tabs?`
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`22:17.33`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v vhaarr] by ChanServ`
`22:18.23`	`ravagernl`	`chinku: codewulf`
`22:18.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`Vanish: lol that would stop so many people from uploading`
`22:18.23`	`Chinku`	`ravagernl: thx.`
`22:18.23`	`Vanish`	`:D :D :D`
`22:18.24`	`ravagernl`	`I mean kodewulf`
`22:18.30`	`Chinku`	`ravagernl: ever seen him on irc? ;-)`
`22:18.38`	`kergoth`	`Vanish: thats easily done, but people use differing indentation styles`
`22:18.43`	`ravagernl`	`~seen kodewulf`
`22:18.48`	`purl`	`kodewulf <n=kodewulf@220-253-62-19.VIC.netspace.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 12h 2m 55s ago, saying: 'Mimesis: i'll see your soul and raise you a soul and fluffy bunny slippers... :) '.`
`22:18.57`	`kergoth`	`Vanish: the more challenging one would be to analyze the current file indentation style and detect a change in indentation caused by the impending commit.`
`22:19.02`	`ravagernl`	`there you go chinku`
`22:19.03`	`Vanish`	`kergoth: Yes, but those who use psaces are simply wrong. ;p`
`22:19.03`	`Chinku`	`gnarf, could've tried that myself, thx ;-)`
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`22:19.07`	`kergoth`	`catch the inconsistencies`
`22:19.17`	`kergoth`	`no, both spaces and tabs have flaws`
`22:19.34`	`Vanish`	`kergoth; SSSHHH!!! DO NOT! ;D`
`22:19.35`	`ravagernl`	`tabs > spaces`
`22:19.43`	`kergoth`	`using tabs for alignment is completely wrong period, across the board. tabs vs spaces for _indentation_ is something else entirely`
`22:19.45`	`sylvanaar`	`i hate spaces vs tabs`
`22:20.24`	`sylvanaar`	`the discussion of it, rather`
`22:20.30`	`steev64`	`ok, i've asked this before and not seen an answer`
`22:20.38`	`steev64`	`FiveSec Bar`
`22:20.45`	`steev64`	`wtf is it, and how do i get rid of it`
`22:20.47`	`ravagernl`	`~seen sairen`
`22:20.53`	`purl`	`sairen is currently on #wowi-lounge (7h 29m 7s) #wowace (7h 29m 7s), last said: '^^'.`
`22:20.54`	`sylvanaar`	`regenfu`
`22:20.55`	`Vanish`	`ummmm.. if you're doing DTP and NOT using tabs for alignment, you're crazy...`
`22:21.00`	`kergoth`	`http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/branches/1.4.x/contrib/hook-scripts/commit-block-joke.py is funny as hell`
`22:21.04`	`ravagernl`	`:o`
`22:21.08`	`kergoth`	`We're sorry, but we just couldn't allow you to have the`
`22:21.08`	`kergoth`	`revision {REVISION} commit.`
`22:21.09`	`kergoth`	`-- Love, Your Administrator(s).`
`22:21.17`	`Vanish`	`LOL`
`22:21.28`	`steev64`	`http://dev.gentoo.org/~steev/files/screenshots/fivesecbar.png`
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`22:21.48`	`sylvanaar`	`theres another one that someone wrote`
`22:21.56`	`kergoth`	`steev64: regenfu has a fivesecbar, and obviously nabufivesec is one`
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`22:22.11`	`steev64`	`i don't use that naboo, so its gotta be regenfu`
`22:22.16`	`steev64`	`thought i looked at em`
`22:22.16`	`sylvanaar`	`regenfu has 2`
`22:22.18`	`ravagernl`	`steev64, gimme your screen :P`
`22:22.46`	`shieldb`	`steev64, I'm guessing fivesecbar is for counting the five seconds from when you kill all pvp targets and when you actually go out of combat`
`22:22.54`	`steev64`	`weird`
`22:22.59`	`djspark`	`ewww gnome`
`22:23.02`	`steev64`	`its never gone off for me before but`
`22:23.06`	`sylvanaar`	`5 seconds from your last spell cast`
`22:23.10`	`Thorgard`	`Hmmm.. How playable is WoW under wine?`
`22:23.14`	`steev64`	`i had to enable the addon and then disable it again`
`22:23.20`	`steev64`	`eh, i get about 10fps`
`22:23.22`	`Vanish`	`Thorgard: not very`
`22:23.37`	`sylvanaar`	`steev64 what version`
`22:23.39`	`steev64`	`Vanish: on a shitty system maybe`
`22:23.54`	`kergoth`	`shieldb: no, its the 5 second rule. you dont get mana from spirit until 5 seconds after your last spellcast`
`22:24.13`	`sylvanaar`	`you only need it if you use mana`
`22:24.17`	`sylvanaar`	`and`
`22:24.28`	`Matrix110`	`wasnt in 4sec?`
`22:24.31`	`Matrix110`	`*it`
`22:24.31`	`shieldb`	`kergoth, ahh, that would make sense, too`
`22:24.33`	`Thorgard`	`Wine's the only option to try and get WoW going on Linux?`
`22:24.37`	`durcyn`	`five second rule? that's the 5 seconds it akes me to life tap, then go back to nuking, right?`
`22:24.39`	`FtH\|eagle`	`aaah wow under linux, want that too, but ati has something against it :/`
`22:25.13`	`Tornhoof`	`hehe`
`22:26.13`	`djspark`	`lol, yeah ati + wine = vomit`
`22:26.18`	`Sparhawke`	`is there any place I can get bigwigs :(`
`22:26.28`	`djspark`	`nvidia + anything = secxy`
`22:26.41`	`shieldb`	`Sparhawke, http://www.wowace.com/files/BigWigs/BigWigs.zip ?`
`22:26.44`	`Tornhoof`	`* + power consumption = vomit`
`22:26.45`	`Thorgard`	`Anyone in here actually running WoW under Linux with decent speed?`
`22:27.14`	`Krysstof`	`sparhawk : like shielbd said, but with a lot of patience`
`22:27.46`	`Krysstof`	`(cartographer 20%, started 35min ago)`
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`22:28.17`	`Matrix110`	`dunno what you are doing updating all my addons takes like 5mins max`
`22:28.35`	`Thorgard`	`Krysstof, switch to a mirror. ;P`
`22:28.44`	`Sparhawke`	`Ive been trying for about 5 hours now`
`22:29.05`	`Sparhawke`	`I just cant get it downloaded`
`22:29.20`	`Matrix110`	`should i download it and dcc it to you?^^`
`22:29.20`	`Thorgard`	`Sparhawke, grab it from a mirror?`
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`22:29.58`	`Jygga`	`is there a resource for nice Xart plugable grafix ?`
`22:29.58`	`Sparhawke`	`yea where are the mirrors`
`22:30.03`	`Thorgard`	`http://svn1.wowace.com/files/`
`22:30.13`	`Thorgard`	`http://grid.13th-floor.org/wowace/`
`22:30.23`	`Sparhawke`	`thank you very much`
`22:30.33`	`Sparhawke`	`how often are those mirrors updated?`
`22:31.25`	`Thorgard`	`The second one's every hour.`
`22:31.29`	`CIA-17`	`03kaelten * r24701 10cgProfiler/npcs/npcs.lua: cgProfiler - batch info changed around.`
`22:31.32`	`Thorgard`	`First one, I imagine, much more often.`
`22:31.47`	`kergoth`	`Kaelten: ping`
`22:31.49`	`renchap`	`20 minutes atm`
`22:31.56`	`renchap`	`for svn1`
`22:32.25`	`Sparhawke`	`nice`
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`22:33.53`	`Sparhawke`	`If I point my WinAceUpdater to a mirror, will it update properly?`
`22:33.59`	`renchap`	`yup`
`22:35.26`	`sylvanaar`	`Sparhawke: it does for me`
`22:35.32`	`Krysstof`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:36.14`	`sylvanaar`	`can someone host a mirror list?`
`22:36.32`	`sylvanaar`	`only 1 i know of`
`22:36.57`	`Wogroipl`	`will those mirrors be up all the time?`
`22:36.59`	`Krysstof`	`OMG, I was hoping to finish my guild addon pack for tomorrow, now I can finish it now`
`22:37.02`	`Wogroipl`	`or only now?`
`22:37.20`	`sylvanaar`	`pasta's is always up`
`22:37.37`	`Kaelten`	`attention authors: curse-gaming.com is back up`
`22:37.38`	`Thorgard`	`Pasta's the grid one.`
`22:37.43`	`sylvanaar`	`i have been using it since 2.0`
`22:37.45`	`CIA-17`	`03adirelle * r24703 10Baggins/Baggins.lua:`
`22:37.45`	`CIA-17`	`Baggins:`
`22:37.45`	`CIA-17`	`- fixed the built-in 'all-in-one sorted' profile,`
`22:37.45`	`CIA-17`	`- rewrote the "optimized section layout" code to be smarter,`
`22:37.45`	`CIA-17`	`- multiple calls to layout update method are now collected and exectued once at next refresh.`
`22:37.57`	`sylvanaar`	`to update via wau`
`22:38.15`	`renchap`	`sylvanaar: http://svn1.wowace.com/mirrors.txt`
`22:39.36`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24704 10BuffProtectorGnome/ (BuffProtectorGnome.lua BuffProtectorGnome.toc gpl.txt libs/): BuffProtectorGnome: Set some svn properties and add gpl.txt.`
`22:39.45`	`Ordog`	`does somebody know a ressource for xart plugable grafics ?`
`22:39.54`	`Ordog`	`can i use discord art files?`
`22:39.54`	`vhaarr`	`Funny that it doesn't list the initial BuffProtectorGnome commit.`
`22:39.56`	`Fisker-`	`PProvost you there?`
`22:39.57`	`Adirelle`	`an update to wau so that it can use that mirror list (randomly pick a mirror) would be fine`
`22:40.01`	`PProvost`	`yes`
`22:40.08`	`PProvost`	`What's up Fisker-`
`22:40.14`	`Adirelle`	`evl: ping`
`22:40.20`	`Fisker-`	`Are you planning some sort of autoupdate in wowace?`
`22:40.57`	`Matrix110`	`autoupdate aka create much more traffic and server load for needless updating?`
`22:41.19`	`Fisker-`	`not needless`
`22:41.26`	`Thorgard`	`Moooo..`
`22:41.28`	`Fisker-`	`you could just force it to something like one check a day`
`22:41.33`	`vhaarr`	`BuffProtectorGnome - Never lose your Flask again!`
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`22:41.46`	`PProvost`	`Fisker-, you mean for WAU to find new releases of itself or of mods?`
`22:41.59`	`Fisker-`	`That could infact reduce traffice since people might be less spamming "update mods" all the time`
`22:42.06`	`Fisker-`	`PProvost mods`
`22:42.23`	`Matrix110`	`Fisker then it would need to run in the background if not done by scheduler`
`22:42.23`	`PProvost`	`Explain what you mean.`
`22:42.24`	`Adirelle`	`is any Baggins fan willing to test last rev ?`
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`22:42.37`	`Makk`	`Adirelle: what's that? :)`
`22:42.44`	`Fisker-`	`just do a update addons check for all addons at a set interval`
`22:42.51`	`Matrix110`	`PProvost he means that like a Virus Scanner it updates all mods everyday at XX.XX`
`22:42.56`	`PProvost`	`I will say this... v2 will come with a command-line client, so you could just schedule it.`
`22:43.16`	`Adirelle`	`makk : bag addon by Nargiddley, inspired from AdvancedBagPlus, i'm also working on it`
`22:43.17`	`Fisker-`	`cool`
`22:43.19`	`Makk`	`PProvost: of winaceupdater?`
`22:43.22`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, can you wait for a bit on more changes`
`22:43.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`vhaarr: ooh, what's that do?`
`22:43.24`	`PProvost`	`I don't have any plans to do what you are describing. I don't think it is worth doing.`
`22:43.26`	`PProvost`	`Makk, yes.`
`22:43.32`	`Nargiddley`	`i'm about to do a big cleanup`
`22:43.33`	`Makk`	`nice nice.`
`22:43.35`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: BuffProtectorGnome - Never lose your Flask again! Say no more!`
`22:43.38`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: whot, didn't saw you`
`22:43.41`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: np`
`22:43.51`	`Tornhoof`	`pprovost, what about a replacement for good old !!!Libs? i mean like StandardLibs but placing it in one subdirectory and creating the toc file on the fly?`
`22:43.59`	`odt`	`in all honesty, i'm quite certain that you guys can relax for the coming 24 months. there won't be a peak like this in the traffic until the next expansion`
`22:44.02`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`confirmation for flask usage? Or preventing clicking it off?`
`22:44.08`	`odt`	`so no need to overkill on stuff`
`22:44.13`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: For all buffs, really.`
`22:44.14`	`odt`	`it will calm down by itself`
`22:44.19`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: Confirmation, yes.`
`22:44.36`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: You have to add the protected buffs manually, there's no default set.`
`22:44.39`	`PProvost`	`Tornhoof, unlikely.`
`22:44.43`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I still smart a bit from accidentally using a supreme power on a level 8 warrior mule when I was trying to mail it.`
`22:44.45`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: btw, I just commited one, sry`
`22:44.50`	`Fisker-`	`reminds me that i gotta donate some money for your new servers`
`22:45.00`	`Fisker-`	`when are you upgrading Kaelten ?`
`22:45.01`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, yeah I diddnt notice you here either hehe`
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`22:45.07`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: I want to add confirmation before you use stuff as well, but that's not possible now, I think.`
`22:45.09`	`Tornhoof`	`pprovost go add some plugin support :)`
`22:45.11`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: It will taint.`
`22:45.24`	`Matrix110`	`i hate firefox-- or rather the mod sites`
`22:45.31`	`Fisker-`	`I hate mozilla`
`22:45.40`	`Thorgard`	`Fisker-, whay?`
`22:45.42`	`PProvost`	`That is what 2.0 is. A shell for plugins.`
`22:45.48`	`tale_`	`that level 8 warrior musta pwned for the next two hours`
`22:45.53`	`PProvost`	`I have a prototype command line working now.`
`22:45.55`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, seems to be working so far for me`
`22:46.03`	`PProvost`	`Works against WowI, Ace and SVN`
`22:46.06`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`sadly, no, as 150 spell damage on a warrior doesn't really help much.`
`22:46.07`	`Tornhoof`	`a great pprovost, then I'm gonna add that standardlibs to !!!libs thingie myselgf`
`22:46.09`	`PProvost`	`I'm getting there`
`22:46.15`	`PProvost`	`You do that. :)`
`22:46.17`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`now, if it'd been titans or something . . .`
`22:46.17`	`Fisker-`	`because of their bullshit zealotry Thorgard`
`22:46.19`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: that's fine, I tested here too, but well, more testing is better`
`22:46.19`	`tale_`	`there is that`
`22:46.37`	`Thorgard`	`Fisker-, whut? Do explain.`
`22:46.44`	`Matrix110`	`i want to to open the .zips directly from curse-gaming/wowinterface but that only works partly somehow and i never check the option to always do that for this filetype...`
`22:46.52`	`vhaarr`	`Fisker-: You're on crack, man.`
`22:46.58`	`Fisker-`	`Encouraging people to "convert" others`
`22:47.04`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: the new optimized layout algorithm is a bit more time consuming, that's why I added the "ScheduleRefresh" thing`
`22:47.12`	`Fisker-`	`they make fine products, but that part is just bs`
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`22:47.20`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, kk`
`22:47.21`	`vhaarr`	`Fisker-: Of course they are, how else would they take over the world?`
`22:47.22`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I should really check on that, actually.`
`22:47.26`	`renchap`	`PProvost: updating from svn with wau ? sure it will descrease load !`
`22:47.32`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`A lot of potions have level requirements for use. Do flasks not?`
`22:47.33`	`renchap`	`*decrease`
`22:47.36`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: so that refreshing only occurs once and in the right order, even if requested multiple times`
`22:47.41`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: probably`
`22:47.47`	`Thorgard`	`Fisker-, I must be jaded, I've no problem with them doing that. :/`
`22:47.56`	`Makk`	`ZealotOnAStick: lvl 50`
`22:47.57`	`Makk`	`i thnk`
`22:47.59`	`vhaarr`	`Thorgard: Noone does, only Fisker-.`
`22:48.12`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, i'm planning an overhaul of the layout. To get it ready for different layouts and change the behaviour slightly`
`22:48.17`	`Thorgard`	`vhaarr, you obviously work for MS!`
`22:48.25`	`Thorgard`	`Get 'im, boys!`
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`22:48.31`	`vhaarr`	`Thorgard: err, or obviously not?`
`22:48.49`	`Matrix110`	`ZealotOnAStick Flasks have a level requirement`
`22:48.56`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, goal is when an item dissapears from a category. the button dissapears but doesnt force a full layout`
`22:49.09`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, so when selling items etc they arent jumping around`
`22:49.17`	`Matrix110`	`i wanted to use Titans on the guildmule to lvl to lvl 5 easier but you cant:-(`
`22:49.18`	`Thorgard`	`vhaarr, don't try and fool me with your logical thinking.. it won't work.`
`22:49.25`	`ravagernl`	`lmao, some hunter here has kited lord kruul into IF :P`
`22:49.25`	`vhaarr`	`:(`
`22:49.30`	`ravagernl`	`the king is dead`
`22:49.35`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: seems to be a good idea`
`22:49.45`	`RaydenUni`	`the last Bloodsail Buccaneers quest is evil`
`22:49.51`	`Thorgard`	`ravagernl, he's not very original. ;P I think everyone's doing that since 2.0.3.. or is it 0.4?`
`22:49.54`	`RaydenUni`	`50 million pirates who respawn every 30 seconds`
`22:50.06`	`PProvost`	`renchap, people want to be able to pull from svn. if I don't write the plugin someone else will`
`22:50.07`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: I think you can also add a upper bound item count limit`
`22:50.21`	`PProvost`	`I personally wouldn't use it for wowace svn, but i might for things in gcodfe`
`22:50.24`	`PProvost`	`gcode`
`22:50.25`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: damn that sentence is so crappy`
`22:50.44`	`sylvanaar`	`i have totally forgotten what i was doing`
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`22:50.48`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ`
`22:50.49`	`PProvost`	`haha`
`22:50.49`	`Matrix110`	`RaydenUni take it positive you might get Parrot Cage (Hyacinth Macaw) which is worth ~200g!`
`22:50.51`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, limit on how many items per section ?`
`22:51.01`	`RaydenUni`	`what?`
`22:51.04`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: well, no, I try to formulate it in english :s`
`22:51.12`	`renchap`	`http downloads causes high charge, while svn is easily mirrored and low traffic`
`22:51.15`	`Nargiddley`	`for the counts on buttons ?`
`22:51.18`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: a "full update" limit`
`22:51.19`	`Thorgard`	`sylvanaar, you were sending me all your money, clearly.`
`22:51.21`	`Matrix110`	`its a 0.01% drop from Bloodsail Bucaneers`
`22:51.26`	`Nargiddley`	`ahh`
`22:51.26`	`RaydenUni`	`ah`
`22:51.33`	`RaydenUni`	`thottbot says 0.0% :P`
`22:51.36`	`sylvanaar`	`clearly`
`22:51.44`	`Matrix110`	`well then >0.01 :P`
`22:51.47`	`RaydenUni`	`ooh disenchants into Moonberry Juice`
`22:51.48`	`Matrix110`	`< i mean`
`22:51.58`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: for example, if you have a section that's 6 columns large with 15 items in it, you can put 3 more items before refreshing`
`22:52.21`	`*** topic/#wowace by Kaelten -> http://www.wowace.com \| http://www.wowace.com/files \| http://ace.pastey.net \| http://www.lua.org \| http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Coding_Tips \| Yes the sites borked, yes it will get better, no its not better yet.`
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`22:52.24`	`PProvost`	`renchap, http is easier to mirror than svn`
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`22:52.36`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, ah i see. not sure how necessary that will be though`
`22:52.37`	`PProvost`	`But that is all irrelevant`
`22:52.37`	`sylvanaar`	`wtf svn uses http`
`22:52.42`	`PProvost`	`I know`
`22:52.49`	`PProvost`	`He meant http files`
`22:52.53`	`PProvost`	`whatever`
`22:52.57`	`sylvanaar`	`i know you know`
`22:52.57`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: well... it's for the "don't giggle like that" thing :)`
`22:53.02`	`PProvost`	`The point is that WAU2 is pluggable`
`22:53.07`	`Kaelten`	`well we are goint to have /files mirrors soon`
`22:53.09`	`PProvost`	`I will be writing a few plugins out of thebox`
`22:53.12`	`PProvost`	`others will write more`
`22:53.19`	`Kaelten`	`about the same time we have a new server setup and live`
`22:53.25`	`PProvost`	`whee!`
`22:53.32`	`Adirelle`	`PProvost : wau will still be Win only ?`
`22:53.33`	`Klazar`	`eek what happen to my unitframes? they disapeared?`
`22:53.38`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`PProvost: main thing I want is a "run these commands/files after update"`
`22:53.46`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle that could also get messy with the optimized layout. there might be another section in the free space`
`22:53.49`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`So I can have it automatically run bigwigslod.bat and so forth.`
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`22:53.59`	`Matrix110`	`ZealotOnAStick i agree for BigWigs/ora2 .bats`
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`22:54.06`	Funkeh`	`yeah i suggested that :p`
`22:54.16`	Funkeh`	`auto running of ora and bw bat files would rock`
`22:54.21`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: well, in fact, in optimized layout, section are still included into rectangle`
`22:54.39`	`sylvanaar`	`ZealotOnAStick: i was adding that then i realized what a security hole it is`
`22:54.39`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, well anyway i want the layouts to be able to react to single item changes. What they do is up to them :D`
`22:54.42`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: when there is only one row, I have no choice than refresh the layout`
`22:54.44`	`Matrix110`	`or we just beg Blizzard to change the LoD system!`
`22:54.45`	Funkeh`	`then you could just give it to your noob guildies and it does it all for them`
`22:54.45`	`PProvost`	`I know ZOAS`
`22:54.56`	`PProvost`	`And yes Adirelle. I work on Windows.`
`22:55.13`	`PProvost`	`When/if someone else wants to work on a port, they are more thant welcome and I will help as much as I can`
`22:55.29`	`PProvost`	`Mono is a possibility, but nobody has stepped up to own it`
`22:55.37`	`Adirelle`	`pprovost: I meant, you don't use some portable language, like java ?`
`22:55.42`	`PProvost`	`There is a java one and a native mac one.`
`22:55.48`	`PProvost`	`I use .NET`
`22:55.51`	`Adirelle`	`oki`
`22:55.57`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: oki, fine`
`22:55.57`	`PProvost`	`There is a java one`
`22:56.18`	`GoogleSearch`	`Boo`
`22:56.34`	`Matrix110`	`thats a long response time for a bot`
`22:56.43`	`Ordog`	`uhm which addon draw that curved health/mana bars for you on the left and the enemy on the right?`
`22:56.53`	`Stinkfot`	`has yata been turned into gotwood now?`
`22:56.55`	`sylvanaar`	`i was adding a packer/unpacker to wau earlier today that could do the stuff for LoD modules`
`22:56.56`	`Matrix110`	`Ordog thats a HUD`
`22:57.04`	`Ordog`	`uhm ok ^^`
`22:57.05`	`cynyr`	`Ordog: icehud maybe`
`22:57.07`	`Matrix110`	`there are many Addons doing that`
`22:57.07`	`Krysstof`	`Ordog : ArcHud2`
`22:57.09`	`GoogleSearch`	`Matrix110 just said: GoogleSearch is an amazing bot!`
`22:57.10`	`Ordog`	`sounds reasonable`
`22:57.18`	`Ordog`	`any reccomendations?`
`22:57.33`	`Matrix110`	`Oo it isnt a Bot!`
`22:57.43`	`sylvanaar`	`but autoexecuting script = trojans and keyloggers`
`22:57.44`	`GoogleSearch`	`Just type !google <query>`
`22:57.47`	`GoogleSearch`	`And you'll see ;)`
`22:57.59`	`Ordog`	`im also searching for grafics plugable with xArt`
`22:58.00`	`cynyr`	`!google wowace`
`22:58.00`	`Matrix110`	`then i would be a WoW Bot aswell:-(`
`22:58.04`	`Krysstof`	`!google Sexy girl playing wow`
`22:58.21`	`GoogleSearch`	`See?`
`22:58.23`	`Krysstof`	`woaw, cool`
`22:58.30`	`GoogleSearch`	`~GoogleSearch`
`22:58.31`	`purl`	`rumour has it, googlesearch is a Google Search Bot. Type !googlehelp to display commands.`
`22:58.42`	`Matrix110`	`!googlehelp`
`22:59.16`	`Adirelle`	`~Matrix110`
`22:59.35`	`Matrix110`	`i only work ingame as a Enchant Mat provider and a itemsearch bot!`
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`23:08.29`	`Adirelle`	`is there any addon that answers to people asking components for a recipe ?`
`23:09.26`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle: i would settle for one that would list them for any craftable item myself`
`23:09.41`	`cynyr`	`even if i had to relink them to the person`
`23:09.59`	`bigzero`	`advanced trade skill window`
`23:10.00`	`shieldb`	`Adirelle, manufac can do that`
`23:10.11`	`shieldb`	`it has an option to kick out required mats to any channel`
`23:10.23`	`Adirelle`	`bigzero, that's for cynyr ? I know it does that`
`23:10.37`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`tried ATSW, was kinda buggy for me`
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`23:11.30`	`bigzero`	`, you want it to be automated?`
`23:11.31`	`Stinkfot`	`anyone got the latest ag update and can dcc it to me?`
`23:11.54`	`Maxemus`	`waits to be flamed, but, wheres the tasty perl script to convert GathererDB's to the sexy new Cartographer :P`
`23:11.55`	`bigzero`	`, like used send you a tell "~mats so and so" and the addon answers with mats?`
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`23:12.07`	`Klazar`	`ag has fanished on my UI wit the latest update`
`23:12.13`	`Stinkfot`	`Maxemus not needed`
`23:12.19`	`bigzero`	`OvrLrd-Q, they fixed the bugs i believe`
`23:12.23`	`Klazar`	`errrr s/fanished/vanished/`
`23:12.40`	`Stinkfot`	`just get the carto module and gatherer and run both addons at the same time.. voila done`
`23:12.50`	`Maxemus`	`ah sweet ty`
`23:13.11`	`kergoth`	`http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/01/oops.html`
`23:13.15`	`shieldb`	`nymbia, you around? Had a couple manufac questions`
`23:13.21`	`bigzero`	`shieldb, manufac is ace addon?`
`23:13.25`	`nymbia`	`shieldb: yeah`
`23:13.25`	`shieldb`	`yeah`
`23:13.52`	`shieldb`	`I've been having terrible luck actually getting it to retain the list of what I can craft (or pull one up at all)`
`23:14.25`	`shieldb`	`I'm not sure if it's supposed to require a refresh every load or not, but half the time it doesn't think I can make any poisons or do any enchants no matter how many refreshes I do`
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`23:15.15`	`nymbia`	`well the patch wiped WDBs so that's probable half of the problem. but yeah, i think i need to tweak the delays somewhere along the line, because i've been needing to refresh two or three times to get everything to populate, too.`
`23:15.31`	`abyssichate`	`OT: Is anyone using Foobar2000 as music player ?`
`23:15.48`	`shieldb`	`is it supposed to require a refresh every load or is it supposed to save a per character list?`
`23:16.25`	`Klazar`	`ok so i dropped back to version ag_Unitframes-r24332 and they show back up... is there an issue with r24689 ?`
`23:16.54`	`Maxemus`	`newer libs maybe?`
`23:17.05`	`Maxemus`	`or externals i mean`
`23:17.18`	`nymbia`	`shieldb: it needs a refresh.. but honestly, the 'click to refresh' is more to make sure the profession is 'open' so that stuff in it can be crafted, since you cant make stuff in a profession if the default ui doesnt think it's open.`
`23:17.33`	`Klazar`	`hmmmm ok my updater is set to omit externals`
`23:18.28`	`Maxemus`	`which updater u using?`
`23:18.51`	`Maxemus`	`or my question should be, is there more than wowaceupdater`
`23:19.17`	`shieldb`	`nymbia, yeah, having to hit refresh isn't really an issue except in cases where it just doesn't want to pull up the list of stuff I can craft`
`23:19.41`	`Klazar`	`lol im using the JavaUpdater and I use a couple of them 13thfloor`
`23:19.54`	`Klazar`	`and sv1`
`23:20.18`	`Maxemus`	`javaupdate do u have a link :P`
`23:20.24`	`Maxemus`	`updater*`
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`23:20.46`	`Klazar`	`it was on the wowace site`
`23:20.54`	`Perry__`	`hello again`
`23:20.56`	`nymbia`	`shieldb: yeah, i know the feeling. i'm planning on giving manufac some update loving soon, so hopefully i can get that a little more smooth.`
`23:21.02`	`Maxemus`	`thought that was a bit dead atm :)`
`23:21.04`	`Perry__`	`some four hours or so ago i asked about the worldstatusframe.lua bug`
`23:21.11`	`Perry__`	`i found out that everyone on the german client has this bug`
`23:21.18`	`Klazar`	`yea otherwise i would post the link`
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`23:21.35`	`Perry__`	`oh em gee it's nymbia`
`23:21.46`	`shieldb`	`impossible!`
`23:21.49`	`nymbia_`	`where?!`
`23:21.51`	`nymbia_`	`~flee`
`23:21.55`	`purl`	`ACTION runs away screaming`
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`23:25.15`	`Bruners`	`is there any questlogaddon based on wow?`
`23:25.17`	`Bruners`	`like EQL`
`23:25.25`	`Maxemus`	`or monkeyquest`
`23:25.31`	`Navv`	`hmm, is the svn checkout somehow borkken?`
`23:25.32`	`Maxemus`	`question hijack ftw`
`23:25.40`	`PProvost`	`questfu`
`23:26.34`	`Navv`	`"svn: PROPFIND of '/trunk/!BugGrabber': 405 Method Not Allowed", sounds like the checkout is not allowed atm?`
`23:27.00`	`renchap`	`Navv: which server do you use ?`
`23:27.09`	`Navv`	`just svn.wowace.com`
`23:27.24`	`Bruners`	`i dont like questFu`
`23:27.47`	`renchap`	`try svn1 or svn2`
`23:28.18`	`Navv`	`no go`
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`23:30.45`	`Navv`	`oh, and did someone claim there's some sort of osx-usable winacdeupdater somewhere, or a similiar script/software`
`23:30.56`	`\|Kev\|`	`http://code.google.com/p/macaceupdater/`
`23:30.59`	`renchap`	`macuceudater`
`23:31.23`	`yacoob`	`this is actually funny`
`23:31.25`	`Navv`	`well this is nice`
`23:31.33`	`yacoob`	`'mac' in Polish stands for 'grope'`
`23:31.37`	`yacoob`	`:)`
`23:31.40`	`Navv`	`thanks for whoever did this!`
`23:31.41`	`\|Kev\|`	`haha`
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`23:31.47`	`\|Kev\|`	`Navv: that's me, I'm afraid`
`23:32.02`	`Navv`	`i was gonna hack a ruby script fast, but looks like i dont have to now`
`23:32.35`	`\|Kev\|`	`well, that's not ruby, it's objective-c and cocoa`
`23:32.39`	`Navv`	`yes`
`23:32.45`	`Navv`	`even better!`
`23:32.47`	`\|Kev\|`	`http://doomsong.co.uk/tmp/wau-4.png`
`23:33.21`	`\|Kev\|`	`I've been told it's not very mac-ish`
`23:33.29`	`\|Kev\|`	`so I'll try and fix that at some point`
`23:33.37`	`Navv`	`its fine`
`23:33.37`	`\|Kev\|`	`but it works`
`23:33.50`	`Navv`	`personally, i'd just want a binary or something to run from a terminal :)`
`23:33.52`	`GoogleSearch`	`It isn't important if it works ;)`
`23:34.09`	`Navv`	`oh durr how do i select installed plugins?`
`23:34.13`	`Navv`	`or well addons`
`23:34.30`	`\|Kev\|`	`to upgrade?`
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`23:34.34`	`Navv`	`ya`
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`23:34.36`	`\|Kev\|`	`hit 'select outdated addons'`
`23:34.42`	`Navv`	`ohh ok`
`23:34.55`	`Navv`	`might want to change that to "Select installed addons"`
`23:35.01`	`\|Kev\|`	`that's not what it does :)`
`23:35.04`	`Navv`	`i know`
`23:35.44`	`Navv`	`how excellent, it worked fine`
`23:35.47`	`Wogroipl`	ag`:ping
`23:35.54`	`\|Kev\|`	`what is the reason for prefering selecting all addons?`
`23:35.57`	`\|Kev\|`	`+installed`
`23:36.12`	`Navv`	`well it reads select outdated plugins atm`
`23:36.26`	`\|Kev\|`	`that's what it does`
`23:36.37`	`\|Kev\|`	`it only selects those plugins which have been outdated`
`23:36.37`	`Maxemus`	`can any post / send me a different updater wowaceupdater seems to be having some issues :)`
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`23:36.48`	`Navv`	`yeah, so i guess it gets the versions from the site before showing hte list`
`23:36.56`	`\|Kev\|`	`it does, yeah`
`23:37.12`	`cynyr`	`Maxemus: mm that would be bacause the SVN server is very overloaded right now...`
`23:37.13`	`stavmar`	`rwhat was the replacement of GMail for Ace`
`23:37.14`	`Navv`	`well its fine, just interface conditioning from the wowaceupdater :)`
`23:37.21`	`cynyr`	`stavmar: postal`
`23:37.25`	`\|Kev\|`	`yeah, it's not how wau does it`
`23:37.29`	`\|Kev\|`	`but this isn't really a port of wau`
`23:37.32`	`stavmar`	`thanks`
`23:37.44`	`GoogleSearch`	`cynyr: GMail isn't update anymore?`
`23:37.45`	`Maxemus`	`cynyr> ind why i was looking for a alternative :)`
`23:37.49`	`\|Kev\|`	`I was only roughly aware of what wau did, and wrote something which achieved the same thing`
`23:37.54`	`GoogleSearch`	`updated*`
`23:37.57`	`Navv`	`yeah, this is more than sufficient`
`23:37.59`	`Navv`	`thanks for that`
`23:38.01`	`\|Kev\|`	`GoogleSearch: postal`
`23:38.08`	`\|Kev\|`	`I think that's the replacement's name`
`23:38.18`	`Fin`	`\|Kev\|: how difficult would it be to port to win32?`
`23:38.19`	`\|Kev\|`	`Navv: you're very welcome - there's an issue tracker there :)`
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`23:38.28`	`cynyr`	`Maxemus: you could just us the zip on www.wowace.com/files`
`23:38.33`	`Navv`	`there's no issues! :)`
`23:38.44`	`GoogleSearch`	`\|Kev\|: Thanks ;)`
`23:38.46`	`Navv`	`it worked about 10x faster than wau and did what its supposed to, heh`
`23:38.55`	`stavmar`	`postal is on teh svn, same author as GMAIL i believe`
`23:38.59`	`Maxemus`	`cynyr> currently using getright browser to grab them :)`
`23:39.07`	`\|Kev\|`	`Navv: if you select up to date addons and tell it to install, it will backup the old one, and reinstall`
`23:39.17`	`\|Kev\|`	`so I don't want to have people doing that unecessarily`
`23:39.17`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r24705 10BigWigs/BWL/ (Ebonroc.lua Firemaw.lua Flamegor.lua):`
`23:39.17`	`CIA-17`	`BigWigs: BWL: Ebonroc-Flamegor-Firemaw:`
`23:39.17`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:39.18`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:39.18`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:39.24`	`cynyr`	`Maxemus: afaik mostthings were not broken this last patch...`
`23:39.28`	`\|Kev\|`	`but it's useful for if something gets corrupt`
`23:39.31`	`Nomad`	`hey guys any good addon out there that can replace gathershare?`
`23:39.36`	`Navv`	`backups are good`
`23:39.43`	`Maxemus`	`nomad> its built in i think to carto`
`23:39.49`	`\|Kev\|`	`it attempts to backup everything before replacing it`
`23:39.55`	`stavmar`	`so is there an Ace addon to organize your bags like placing all your runecloth in stacks of 20 and such.`
`23:39.55`	`Nomad`	`im getting carto as we speak`
`23:40.05`	`Navv`	`where are the backups going`
`23:40.05`	`\|Kev\|`	`so feasibly I could write a function to restore your mods as of any time/date`
`23:40.07`	`Maxemus`	`cynyr> okies ty`
`23:40.07`	`Nomad`	`mr.plow stavmar`
`23:40.11`	`vhaarr`	ag`: ping
`23:40.13`	`stavmar`	`thanks nomad`
`23:40.14`	`\|Kev\|`	`AddOns/_addonbackups or similar`
`23:40.17`	`vhaarr`	ag`_
`23:40.18`	`CIA-17`	`03toadkiller * r24706 10AutoBar/ (12 files):`
`23:40.18`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBar:`
`23:40.18`	`CIA-17`	`-- Chinese New Year prep: Fireworks added.`
`23:40.18`	`CIA-17`	`-- Dragging items from bag or character sheet now supported.`
`23:40.18`	`CIA-17`	`-- Can now drag items directly to the edit slots on the Slots Tab; category slots on the slot edit view;`
`23:40.37`	`Navv`	`most excellent yes`
`23:40.38`	`\|Kev\|`	`yes, _downloads currently retains the zips, and _addonBackups the replaced mods`
`23:40.47`	`Navv`	`might want to make it configurable though?`
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`23:40.53`	`\|Kev\|`	`I'll add a feature to purge those some day :)`
`23:40.54`	`\|Kev\|`	`yeah`
`23:40.55`	`Navv`	`the location`
`23:41.03`	`\|Kev\|`	`this is 0.2`
`23:41.06`	`\|Kev\|`	`0.1 didn't even run :)`
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`23:41.08`	`Navv`	`do you remove the directory`
`23:41.09`	`hargibi`	`yo`
`23:41.13`	`Navv`	`before unpacking`
`23:41.19`	`\|Kev\|`	`yep`
`23:41.22`	`\|Kev\|`	`I get the zip`
`23:41.29`	`\|Kev\|`	`if that gets ok, I move the dir to backups`
`23:41.32`	`\|Kev\|`	`then I unzip`
`23:41.39`	`Navv`	`that's something also one might want to configure`
`23:41.40`	`hargibi`	`so.. anyone figured out a way to make bartender3 work without cooldown error?`
`23:41.49`	`Navv`	`overwrite or delete + unpack`
`23:42.01`	`\|Kev\|`	`these are issues`
`23:42.07`	`Navv`	`well minor ones`
`23:42.09`	`\|Kev\|`	`go post, and I shall endeavour to fix them :)`
`23:42.25`	`\|Kev\|`	`so far I've fixed 9 of the 18 issues that've been posted, I think`
`23:42.43`	`\|Kev\|`	`someone wanted to be able to uninstall mods as well, so that'll be in the next version, etc etc`
`23:43.00`	`hargibi`	`kev. u got bartender3 to work? :P`
`23:43.11`	`hargibi`	`well they work.. but i get cooldown.lua error`
`23:43.18`	`\|Kev\|`	`I'm not getting any errors`
`23:43.27`	`hargibi`	`hmm`
`23:43.44`	`Nomad`	`when are you getting the error?`
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`23:43.50`	`hargibi`	`when i use a skill :P`
`23:44.02`	`renchap`	`Eye of the storm week end`
`23:44.04`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`working fine for me, just gotta figure out this stupid icon problem :(`
`23:44.04`	`renchap`	`happy pvp !`
`23:44.10`	`Nomad`	`all skills that have a cooldown give error?`
`23:44.15`	`hargibi`	`ye`
`23:44.23`	`hargibi`	`yep. noma`
`23:44.24`	`hargibi`	`d`
`23:45.12`	`hargibi`	`im running without externals and have all libs in the addons folder...`
`23:45.19`	`hargibi`	`well i update without externals`
`23:45.28`	`Panye`	`kirkburn: I've created a fonts folder in the wow directory and copied a font I wish to use into there, renamed them, but to no avail, any tips?`
`23:46.09`	`hargibi`	`Might it be anything in my wtf folder or so nomad?`
`23:46.16`	`Kirkburn`	`4 copies, with the names listed in the readme?`
`23:46.20`	`Nomad`	`did you delete the bartende3.lua from wtf?`
`23:46.24`	`hargibi`	`nope`
`23:46.29`	`hargibi`	`ill try that`
`23:46.31`	`Panye`	`kirkburn: yeah`
`23:46.38`	`Nomad`	`k`
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`23:46.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Dunno then :/`
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`23:47.06`	`Panye`	`eg - ARIALN.ttf`
`23:47.13`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, thems the ones`
`23:47.19`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`Toadkiller: want a screenie of the problem?`
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`23:47.29`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24708 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: Baggins: Code clean up`
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`23:47.45`	`Maxemus`	`nn guys`
`23:47.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Panye, I can only say it _should_ work :/`
`23:47.56`	`Panye`	`just need those 4 fonts in that folder, I only have CF2 installed`
`23:48.04`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, k thats done. Hopefully will make it easier to find things in that file heh`
`23:48.09`	`hargibi`	`Nomad still getting that error.. :O`
`23:48.12`	`ravagernl`	~seen ag`
`23:48.39`	`purl`	ag` is currently on #wowace (3h 14m 21s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 3h 10m 54s, last said: 'ravagernl, ok then, upload it somewhere and send me the link'.
`23:48.39`	`Navv`	`oh btw do you play on mac kev?`
`23:48.39`	`\|Kev\|`	`both`
`23:48.39`	`\|Kev\|`	`mac these days`
`23:48.39`	`Navv`	`i keep getting this error`
`23:48.39`	`\|Kev\|`	`since I got a shiny new imac`
`23:48.40`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley: i'll update to see`
`23:48.40`	`Navv`	`something about !lua_registered`
`23:48.40`	`Nomad`	`after deleting the bartender3.lua from wtf,exit game and relog?`
`23:48.46`	`hargibi`	`yep`
`23:48.47`	`Ansi`	`Isn't all 20003 Addons supposedly compatible, even with The Burning Crusade installed?`
`23:49.13`	`Nomad`	`thats really strange, i use bartender3 on my rogue and trinity on my warlock`
`23:49.17`	`ravagernl`	ag` and ag`_ did you get the link? also can you implement this border: ["1px"] = {["texture"] = "",["size"] = 0,["insets"] = 1},
`23:49.19`	`Nomad`	`didnt get any cooldown errors`
`23:49.25`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle: what ever you did to baggins fix it /hug`
`23:49.25`	`\|Kev\|`	`the only error I'm getting on my mac is sanity complaining`
`23:49.31`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`no exit game, then delete bartender3.lua or it'll just get created again when you logout`
`23:49.32`	`cynyr`	`s/fix/fixxed/`
`23:49.36`	`hargibi`	`maby i should just redo my ui with wtf folder and new updated addons?`
`23:49.49`	`hargibi`	`well`
`23:49.54`	`hargibi`	`atleast the wtf folder :P`
`23:49.56`	`Adirelle`	`cynyr : I rewrote the whole thing`
`23:49.59`	`Nomad`	`if you are up to it hehe`
`23:50.07`	`Adirelle`	`cynyr : it now counts in pixels`
`23:50.19`	`Adirelle`	`instead of "cell", that helps a lot`
`23:50.33`	`Navv`	`ahwell`
`23:51.41`	`cynyr`	`Adirelle: wow, okay then, /thank, very nice work`
`23:52.08`	`Panye`	`Kirkburn: all sorted, noob mistake at this end, had the .ttf extension still added :(`
`23:52.09`	`hargibi`	`w00t.. now i dont get errors.. now i can blank buttons`
`23:52.10`	`hargibi`	`... =(`
`23:52.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Panye, was gonna suggest that =)`
`23:52.41`	`hargibi`	`nm. still errors :p`
`23:53.14`	`Panye`	`great minds think alike Kirkburn, and thank you for an awesome mod :P`
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`23:53.53`	`Proph`	`how do u set up stances with bartender.. need stealth`
`23:53.54`	`Kirkburn`	`My WAU can't reach /files, though I can see it perfectly in IE7`
`23:54.00`	`trh`	`cynyr: learn it =)`
`23:54.20`	`cynyr`	`trh: yea.. i need some spare time, or down time at work, and something to write`
`23:54.39`	`funnyghost`	`any news on a working ag_uf?`
`23:55.05`	`Tiberian`	`Hi, any1 knows how can i get my chat-box over the chat frame ? cuz i cant see what i write :P`
`23:55.08`	`cynyr`	`trh: although i'm thinking about doing slicer/energy tick/combo point hud/bar thingy`
`23:55.19`	`hargibi`	`Tiberian Prat is a very good mod :p`
`23:55.22`	`trh`	`cynyr: you should start with alot simpler stuff :)`
`23:55.29`	`cynyr`	`trh: like?`
`23:55.48`	`trh`	`cynyr: simple stuff like chat/text based for starters`
`23:56.06`	`Tiberian`	`hargibi: i think i get "conflict" (if i spelled it ok) with some other Addon(s) ?`
`23:56.08`	`trh`	`cynyr: or extensions to blizzard menus`
`23:56.24`	`hargibi`	`Tiberian: You shuldnt. :)`
`23:56.25`	`Tiberian`	`Not sure, but it seems i cant save my chat framne settings`
`23:56.33`	`Tiberian`	`frame*`
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`23:57.05`	`cynyr`	`trh: extensions to bliz menus?`
`23:57.07`	`Darkwytch`	`hello`
`23:57.35`	`Tiberian`	`The problem is, i set the font-size and after an event (dunno what event tbh) the chat-frame settings go back to default`
`23:57.36`	`Darkwytch`	`I was wondering if someone could tell me how MusicStream works because its not playin any music =[[`
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`23:57.50`	`trh`	`cynyr: like adding symbols in a menu to do something... or minimap buttons`
`23:58.09`	`Proph`	`so how do u setup Stances with BT3?`
`23:58.14`	`cynyr`	`trh: like a moveable mail button?`
`23:58.30`	`trh`	`cynyr: whatever you think is useful :)`
`23:58.55`	`cynyr`	`trh: well i would like to be able to move that one..`
`23:58.59`	`trh`	`cynyr: but start with not so complicated stuff, because you will get stuck with complicated things and that is very demotivating`
`23:59.19`	`cynyr`	`trh: i still have no idea where to start`
`23:59.20`	`Vanish`	`\|Kev\|: Ping`
`23:59.26`	`\|Kev\|`	`pong`
`23:59.27`	`Tiberian`	`Proph: unlock the "frames" and be sure the stance set its green :P`
`23:59.36`	`cynyr`	`trh: know of a good lua guide?`
`23:59.39`	`trh`	`cynyr: 1. get the blizzard addon kit to extract the blizzard ui stuff`
`23:59.59`	`Vanish`	`\|Kev\|: When I make new icons for mau (which I WUB btw), how do you want me to get them to you?`

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