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| 00:03.48 | Barbanus | wtf was with the oNick names? |
| 00:04.19 | Cartas | It's gone past midnight. |
| 00:04.26 | Cartas | They go insane now. |
| 00:04.51 | Jygga | hmmm the tendency of channels dropping quiet when i post that commercial is really interesting ^^ |
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| 00:11.53 | break19 | what am I doing wrong? svn: PROPFIND of '/trunk/!!StandaloneLibraries': 405 Method Not Allowed (http://svn.wowace.com) |
| 00:12.04 | break19 | attempting to checkout, using svn commandline |
| 00:14.26 | Medlir | One thing I notice is a missing ! in !!!StandaloneLibraries |
| 00:15.14 | break19 | well ok, but I cant checkout any of them. :) |
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| 00:16.43 | Diabolic-Destiny | does ne1 use WowEcon addon? |
| 00:17.00 | break19 | ew |
| 00:17.22 | Diabolic-Destiny | its actually not bad from when i first used it |
| 00:17.27 | Gagorian | break19: ew because of 'ne1' or because of 'WowEcon'? :P |
| 00:17.28 | Diabolic-Destiny | but i can no longer download it |
| 00:17.47 | break19 | Medlir: figured it out.. svn co http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/addonname is the proper way |
| 00:17.50 | Diabolic-Destiny | why do i always need to get harrassed for not using full words? |
| 00:17.51 | break19 | Gagorian: both :P |
| 00:17.57 | Medlir | Hmm. |
| 00:18.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Diabolic-Destiny: because you don't use full words? |
| 00:18.13 | break19 | Diabolic-Destiny: because it violates the toc? :) |
| 00:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | break19: lol. nice. |
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| 00:18.44 | Diabolic-Destiny | If anything it would be the ToS. But Im guessing that was a joke |
| 00:19.14 | Medlir | haha |
| 00:19.21 | Diabolic-Destiny | *cry* GroupCalendar is no longer being developed |
| 00:19.32 | Diabolic-Destiny | n there is no ace replacement :S |
| 00:22.03 | Gngsk | wasn't that a kaitlin mod? |
| 00:22.51 | OverloadUT | If I do a SVN rename does it commit that change right away or not until my next commit? |
| 00:24.03 | kergoth | only a commit commits. |
| 00:25.43 | Gngsk | the zen of svn |
| 00:26.35 | OverloadUT | Well not really, because if I do an "add" it commits as well |
| 00:27.09 | OverloadUT | Wait maybe not |
| 00:27.13 | OverloadUT | Ignore me >.< |
| 00:28.36 | Diabolic-Destiny | no its not a kaitlin mod |
| 00:28.41 | Diabolic-Destiny | at least i dun think so.. |
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| 00:30.00 | xlvii | need a good name for my consumables bank, haha. |
| 00:31.46 | evl | Potwhore |
| 00:32.25 | pastamancer | polpot |
| 00:32.34 | shieldb | xlvii, Potionmans |
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| 00:32.54 | xlvii | i nabbed the name 'Consumables' |
| 00:32.54 | xlvii | hehe |
| 00:32.59 | evl | hirr |
| 00:33.00 | WobWork | Munchies |
| 00:33.03 | WobWork | or Munchkin |
| 00:33.12 | shieldb | I've got a mage I use as my potion bank named Dispenser |
| 00:33.44 | xlvii | that's pimp. |
| 00:36.16 | break19 | xlvii: Pothead |
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| 00:43.39 | OverloadUT | Is it safe to edit my koKR loc file even though Notepad++ is showing a bunch of boxes for the characters? |
| 00:43.59 | trh | OverloadUT: you have to enable "format / utf8" |
| 00:44.08 | trh | then it's 100% safe |
| 00:45.23 | OverloadUT | Cool thanks |
| 00:45.41 | Jygga | Diabolic-Destiny: groupcalendar is great indeed 8/ |
| 00:46.22 | trh | OverloadUT: even though it shouldn't change anything if you don't, but better safe than sorry ;) |
| 00:46.22 | Jygga | well ... lets hope no patch breaks it, havent any problems with it and the features are sufficient what do you think |
| 00:48.08 | Jygga | acutally we are currently introducing our guild members to the GroupCalendar ... |
| 00:49.12 | trh | Jygga: we always used a web-based raid register system.. |
| 00:49.48 | Jygga | ya we got that too :) |
| 00:49.56 | Jygga | but GC is quite comfortable |
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| 01:04.36 | xlvii | any speculations as to what jaggal pearls will / are used for? |
| 01:06.21 | Gngsk | they vendor for 10s |
| 01:06.53 | Gngsk | that's all you need to know! |
| 01:06.57 | Gagorian | Are itemIDs different in another locale? |
| 01:08.05 | Jygga | gagorian: Oo |
| 01:08.14 | Jygga | ofc not :) |
| 01:08.39 | Jygga | you can actually send items from different client locales by mail ^^ |
| 01:08.59 | Gagorian | Well, that's what I thought.. but some french dude is complaining it's not working! |
| 01:09.10 | Gagorian | I detect items through itemIDs |
| 01:09.17 | CIA-18 | 03fleetfoot * r29620 10Fudge/Fudge.lua: |
| 01:09.17 | CIA-18 | Fudge: |
| 01:09.17 | CIA-18 | - Added option to remove text from button. |
| 01:09.23 | Jygga | sometimes they seem to keep the language which was strange but different item ids just dont make sense |
| 01:09.37 | Gagorian | Well it would be retarded, yes. |
| 01:10.11 | OverloadUT | Doing an overhaul of my mod is causing my brain to melt :( |
| 01:10.24 | Gagorian | But it's not impossible that there's some kind of translation... |
| 01:10.28 | Gngsk | sometimes you'd see the foreign farmers linking stuff in chat that just looks like two brackets [], but when you click on it you get the itemlink |
| 01:11.47 | Kaelten | hey guys I'm looking for a full time web designer, has to be talented. Prefer someone in t he San Francisco area. Anyone interested or know someone who is? |
| 01:12.38 | OverloadUT | Interested? Yes. Qualified? No. ;) |
| 01:12.43 | Kaelten | lol |
| 01:12.43 | Gagorian | So.. Basically blizzard could just have another set of itemIDs for the frFR itemlinks and put some linking in between the itemIDs of another locale? |
| 01:13.10 | Kaelten | ya, whoever it is has to be qualified as well. we wouldn't mind having a freelancer on a shorttime contract but they need to be good regardless |
| 01:13.48 | Jygga | Gngsk thats because your clients dont support the znCH symbols :) |
| 01:13.51 | OverloadUT | And you mean designer, not web-code-monkey right? |
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| 01:17.51 | NeoTron | xlvii: I assume they will get a use.. so I'm keeping them |
| 01:19.44 | _neuron_ | anyone got cartographer + herbalism leveled, leveling herbalism on a char atm and I'd love to have those nodes on my map :P |
| 01:20.38 | OverloadUT | Is #table intensive at all? Would a table with a billion entries take longer to return than a table with 10? |
| 01:22.22 | WobWork | The length of a table t is defined to be any integer index n such that t[n] is not nil and t[n+1] is nil; moreover, if t[1] is nil, n may be zero. For a regular array, with non-nil values from 1 to a given n, its length is exactly that n, the index of its last value. If the array has "holes" (that is, nil values between other non-nil values), then #t may be any of the indices that directly precedes a nil value (that is, it may consider a |
| 01:24.14 | Gngsk | woah dude! |
| 01:24.18 | OverloadUT | Yeah I've read that, it sounds like it might actually go through and check each index. So if it had a billion entries it might take a bit |
| 01:24.27 | mjc | who do I poke about PT instance loot ? |
| 01:25.01 | mjc | er sorry, the boss notes and stuff in cart |
| 01:25.02 | mjc | :p |
| 01:27.01 | chutwig | is elkbuffbars safe to use now? |
| 01:27.12 | chutwig | EBB hasn't been updated in a month and all the work seems to be going into EBBs |
| 01:27.49 | Gagorian | Probably best just to try it :) |
| 01:28.13 | WobWork | You could store a local reference to the size, OverloadUT? |
| 01:28.37 | WobWork | I would say that # is fairly much as efficient as you need anyway |
| 01:28.52 | WobWork | What are you doing with a table with a billion entries, anyway? =P |
| 01:29.02 | OverloadUT | It was more curiosity :P |
| 01:29.16 | OverloadUT | I like to code so that if it DID become a billion entries it would still work ;) |
| 01:29.25 | OverloadUT | I'll probably just make a local referense to the size just in case |
| 01:29.34 | OverloadUT | s/referense/reference/ |
| 01:29.43 | WobWork | Actually, since it does return the size of the allocated memory, it's probably not iterating through |
| 01:29.47 | trh | OverloadUT: a usual array isn't destined to have a billion entries |
| 01:30.01 | WobWork | oh wait, no it probably iterates |
| 01:30.06 | WobWork | You should ask on #lua |
| 01:30.12 | trh | OverloadUT: for a billion entries you should use a table and build some stuff around it to safe the #count and stuff |
| 01:30.23 | trh | OverloadUT: or use a sql-style db in the beginning :) |
| 01:30.30 | OverloadUT | Haha |
| 01:30.46 | OverloadUT | My life would be a lot easier if quests had unique ids :P |
| 01:31.19 | OverloadUT | Okay, more like my life at this exact moment would be made easier. I don't think it would actually impact my life as a whole. |
| 01:31.27 | trh | lol |
| 01:31.35 | Kaelten | OverloadUT: ya designer, graphics and templates and what nto |
| 01:31.38 | trh | if it would you'd be seriously screwed up |
| 01:31.47 | OverloadUT | Haha, yeah. |
| 01:31.49 | break19 | i got a question.. exactly how much space does the entire trunk of wowace svn use up? |
| 01:32.14 | trh | break19: not too much i guess... it's just text |
| 01:32.26 | OverloadUT | Resisting... urge... to remind not to do a full checkout... |
| 01:32.46 | trh | OverloadUT: but you'd need to calculate the amount done by changes |
| 01:32.52 | break19 | I think my updating would be much faster, if I either, A) launch separate svn updates into the background, 1 for each addon I use, so they update concurrently, or.. just checkout the whole trunk.. |
| 01:32.58 | trh | OverloadUT: checking out every revision and and then diffing |
| 01:33.11 | OverloadUT | Oh, true |
| 01:33.13 | Hjalte | OverloadUT: Hey, did you try out the new Macrotexter release yet? |
| 01:33.32 | OverloadUT | Hjalte: Is there a new one with more support than just bliz bars? |
| 01:33.46 | Hjalte | Bartender3 support |
| 01:33.59 | OverloadUT | Oooo there is |
| 01:34.04 | OverloadUT | :( I use Bongos |
| 01:34.30 | OverloadUT | Might be enough to make me switch... |
| 01:34.31 | Hjalte | Bartender3 is a nice bar addon :) |
| 01:34.31 | trh | i'm getting new windows tomorrow.. woohoo... err.. not microsoft windows.. those real-life thingies :) |
| 01:34.56 | trh | i never use any bar modifications |
| 01:35.05 | trh | i used to do, then a patch came and my ui was so screwed up |
| 01:35.13 | Kaelten | anyone ever setup a local apache server on macosx? |
| 01:35.20 | WobWork | actually, the svn probably takes up a huge amount of space |
| 01:35.27 | WobWork | since it stores the entire history |
| 01:35.32 | Kaelten | WobWork: its fairly large yes :) |
| 01:35.37 | WobWork | I was suprised at the size of our local svn here at work |
| 01:35.43 | OverloadUT | I installed BT3 and tried it out, but I hate hate hate hate that it doesn't have bar snapping that Bongos has |
| 01:35.44 | Kaelten | not sure of the exact size |
| 01:35.50 | OverloadUT | It's the only thing that's stopping me from using it... |
| 01:35.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: erm, on osx client or server? on client, there's one built in that's pretty easy to use. |
| 01:36.00 | trh | Kaelten: i think theres a 'MAMP' for the fast way to do that |
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| 01:36.11 | Kaelten | nighthawkthesane client I think. |
| 01:36.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: yeah, so you should just be able to go into the sharing control panel and enable web sharing |
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| 01:36.57 | Kaelten | NightHawkTheSane: does it still let me mess with the settings? |
| 01:37.01 | Kaelten | I need to enalbe mod_python on it. |
| 01:37.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, you can change the httpd.conf and such |
| 01:37.55 | Kaelten | hrm I'm trying to find it still |
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| 01:38.52 | break19 | so.. back to my original question.. which way would ya'll recommend I speed up my svn updating? for a for * do svn update -quiet &, (update all addons concurrently) or.. just checkout the whole trunk, and just symlink the ones I want, into my addons dir? :) |
| 01:38.57 | Kaelten | heh, wow that was easy :s |
| 01:39.06 | Kaelten | now where is the config page for it? any idea? |
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| 01:39.52 | OverloadUT | break19: Well, the wiki says very clearly to never do a full trunk checkout |
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| 01:40.34 | trh | and hammering the svn server with connection surely doesn't help too i guess |
| 01:40.42 | Gagorian | There's probably a good reason you aren't using WAU? |
| 01:40.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: the config file for the web server? I think /etc/httpd/httpd.conf |
| 01:40.52 | WobWork | or WUpy |
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| 01:43.41 | break19 | Gagorian: 2 reasons.. remember when I flipped off windows and watched my pretty OS X screens? and the other is.. WAU doesnt do svn checkouts :p |
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| 01:44.47 | WobWork | How many projects are you running at the same time? O.o |
| 01:45.15 | WobWork | and what's wrong with just svnupdating those projects? |
| 01:45.16 | break19 | and WobWork, I prefer the immediate update, rather than waiting 15mins :p |
| 01:45.25 | WobWork | ah |
| 01:45.27 | Medlir | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.34 | Kaelten | NightHawkTheSane: seems that /etc is a hidden folder of some sort |
| 01:45.41 | WobWork | well, that goes back to "Plz don't checkout the trunk, kthxbye" |
| 01:45.44 | break19 | Kaelten: open terminal :p |
| 01:45.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: yes, uh.. open a terminal window? :P |
| 01:46.04 | Kaelten | ya, I that :P |
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| 01:46.16 | WobWork | break19: In that case, you just checkout the addons you have |
| 01:46.17 | Kaelten | is there a command equivilent to updatedb so I can use locate? |
| 01:46.24 | break19 | Kaelten: Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app is your friend.. put it on your dock |
| 01:46.32 | WobWork | and preferably update without externals |
| 01:46.33 | Kaelten | its already there :) |
| 01:46.40 | Kaelten | bsd at least I have some familiarity with |
| 01:47.18 | break19 | WobWork: I know all that, thing is, it takes a few seconds to figure out the latest revs, I'm trying to optimize here.. but cant think of a way to do it that wont swamp the svn server :) |
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| 01:48.12 | WobWork | break19: No easier way, I'm afraid |
| 01:48.17 | break19 | 7 to 8s pause before updating each addon seems like forever when you're used to click/boom stuff :) |
| 01:48.30 | trh | break19: what's the problem with 15minute waiting for files.wowace.com to update? |
| 01:48.39 | WobWork | break19: that's the cost of living on the <15min CUTTING EDGE =) |
| 01:48.59 | Kaelten | I'm trying to find the libexec folder :S |
| 01:49.14 | break19 | trh: the fact I've been chewed for not updating to the latest revision when i tried, and it wasnt there :) |
| 01:49.16 | CIA-18 | 03next96 * r29622 10BigWigs/Karazhan/WizardofOz.lua: |
| 01:49.16 | CIA-18 | BigWigs: |
| 01:49.16 | CIA-18 | - WizardofOz |
| 01:49.16 | CIA-18 | - Update locale koKR |
| 01:49.26 | CIA-18 | 03zuno * r29623 10UnitActionBars/ (5 files): |
| 01:49.27 | CIA-18 | UnitActionBars: |
| 01:49.27 | CIA-18 | - Fixed a problem with empty action set names causing valid action sets to not work on login/ui reload. |
| 01:49.31 | break19 | Kaelten: prolly /Library/WebServer is what you're lookin for |
| 01:49.49 | Kaelten | nope |
| 01:49.54 | Kaelten | I need to install a new .so file |
| 01:49.57 | trh | break19: well you could bug *maintainer of the svn* to change the post-commit script to instantly update addon with the commited changes |
| 01:50.08 | Kaelten | trh: not going to happen |
| 01:50.14 | CIA-18 | 03fryguy * r29624 10BigWigs/Outland/Gruul.lua: BigWigs: Add Silence timer to Gruul |
| 01:50.19 | break19 | yea, that'd be a bad idea. |
| 01:50.31 | Kaelten | Its updated every 20 mins |
| 01:50.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: /usr/libexec/httpd/ |
| 01:50.35 | Kaelten | just be glad its not every 60 :P |
| 01:50.37 | CIA-18 | 03zuno * r29625 10UnitActionBars/UnitActionBars.toc: |
| 01:50.37 | CIA-18 | UnitActionBars: |
| 01:50.37 | CIA-18 | - TOC Revision update |
| 01:50.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: 'locate *.so' is your friend ;) |
| 01:50.49 | Ordog | uhm did somebody manage to deinstall ms visual studio and actually get those 3 GB back it used upon installation? |
| 01:50.51 | break19 | sometimes authors make 2 or 3 commits at once.. and it'd just KILL the server's CPU and IO subsystem :) |
| 01:51.06 | trh | Kaelten: does the update script update every addon or just the once that changed in between those 20minutes? |
| 01:51.14 | trh | ones not once |
| 01:51.42 | break19 | Ordog: best way to remove microsoft software is Start->Run->cmd.exe then type in the window format C: |
| 01:51.44 | Kaelten | NightHawkTheSane: I tried locate but it won't let me because the db doesn't exist :S |
| 01:51.54 | Kaelten | NightHawkTheSane: and I tried udpatedb and it says doesn't exist |
| 01:52.00 | Kaelten | trh: only those needed |
| 01:52.06 | Ordog | thank you break19 |
| 01:52.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: doh. well, -that- i can't help you with :\ |
| 01:52.10 | Ordog | gonna try ... |
| 01:52.12 | Ordog | ^^ |
| 01:52.22 | break19 | Kaelten: /usr/lib-exec |
| 01:53.41 | FryGuy- | kael: dang i thought it was 15 minutes :( |
| 01:53.49 | chutwig | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.11 | chutwig | use mdfind though |
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| 01:54.32 | break19 | Kaelten: and I would recommend typing the following in the terminal then restarting the finder defaults write com.apple.Finder AppleShowAllFiles YES |
| 01:55.18 | break19 | you type that, restart the finder.. and voila, /etc /bin /usr all show in the finder now :) |
| 01:56.02 | NightHawkTheSane | why you need them to is beyond me :P |
| 01:56.13 | Kaelten | if they'll show in locate I'll be happy :) |
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| 01:58.57 | break19 | oh, and the other reason I want to use the SVN, 1 or 2 of my chosen addons arent IN the trunk, but branched, and I like to be able to update them all in 1 fell swoop :) |
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| 02:02.40 | WobWork | break19: You'll have to checkout them individually then |
| 02:02.42 | Kaelten | ok I made my changes and now the damn server doesn't load |
| 02:02.43 | Kaelten | fuck |
| 02:02.45 | Kaelten | fuck |
| 02:02.47 | Kaelten | :S |
| 02:02.51 | WobWork | >< |
| 02:03.04 | JJSheets | what damn server we talkin bout? |
| 02:03.06 | JJSheets | lol |
| 02:03.13 | Kaelten | apache on a mac |
| 02:03.14 | Kaelten | :s |
| 02:03.30 | JJSheets | ugh. get real linux. :p |
| 02:03.48 | Kaelten | na this is a work machine :P |
| 02:03.54 | Kaelten | has to be macc |
| 02:03.56 | Kaelten | er mac |
| 02:04.05 | Kaelten | the 24" monitor is fun though :) |
| 02:04.08 | JJSheets | lol well then, that just sucks don't it. |
| 02:04.14 | Kaelten | rebooting |
| 02:04.18 | Kaelten | be back in a min |
| 02:04.25 | break19 | JJSheets: real bsd > real linux :) |
| 02:04.46 | break19 | and since OS X = a pretty gui on top of a real BSD.. :) |
| 02:05.21 | JJSheets | meh. depends... bsd for serving > linux yes. bsd for desktop > linux seems a personal decision to me. Plus the distro of linux is very important. |
| 02:05.28 | trh | everytime i see macosX i wonder why the Xorg community can't do something like that (gui-wiste) |
| 02:05.29 | trh | -t |
| 02:06.15 | break19 | trh: cuz like it or not, there are a few things a commercial company can do better than open source :) |
| 02:06.16 | CIA-18 | 03rabbit * r29626 10CandyBar/CandyBar-2.0/CandyBar-2.0.lua: .CandyBar-2.0: Fix implementation to match API docs. |
| 02:06.16 | chutwig | i'm going to go with "lots of infighting, poor organization and no direction other than 'fuck microsoft'" |
| 02:06.31 | JJSheets | lol chutwig |
| 02:07.03 | chutwig | how many attempts have there been to replace X |
| 02:07.03 | trh | break19: probably true.. but the linux desktops aren't even close to macos :/ |
| 02:07.06 | chutwig | Y, berlin, what else |
| 02:07.40 | trh | chuckg: :) |
| 02:07.52 | chuckg | Hmm? |
| 02:07.56 | trh | err |
| 02:07.58 | trh | i meant chutwig |
| 02:08.09 | trh | .oO(damn auto-completion) |
| 02:08.42 | chutwig | apple looked at X when developing OS X and decided that the work it would have taken to extend X was so extensive that they just developed quartz around display postscript instead |
| 02:08.43 | break19 | trh: problem is, with sooo many coders out there making desktops to suit themselves, only 2 groups make desktops that really suit the end-user, and they've decided to make theirs look decidely MS-ish. |
| 02:09.06 | chutwig | GNOME is more mac-based, i think |
| 02:09.13 | break19 | blech |
| 02:09.17 | chutwig | GTK and GNOME show a lot of OS X influence |
| 02:09.27 | break19 | gnome is ugly, how the HELL can you say that? lol |
| 02:09.29 | chutwig | and by influence i mean "straight ripoff except with that special linux touch" |
| 02:09.40 | chutwig | the king midas touch of crap |
| 02:10.01 | JJSheets | gnome's better than KDE imho |
| 02:10.02 | trh | break19: i didn't meant the look, it's more the feeling of the desktop.. it feels slow and sluggish |
| 02:10.08 | chutwig | i really dislike KDE |
| 02:10.12 | break19 | kde is much prettier than gnome, but lacks the simplicity of the OS X desktop. |
| 02:10.27 | chutwig | window maker forever \m/_ _\m/ |
| 02:10.56 | NightHawkTheSane | viva la fluxbox? |
| 02:11.07 | JJSheets | however, I run linux for stability, not pretty, also for free not, shell out tons of cash to Apple, just cause they ain't Microsoft... so MacOS is totally unimportant to me. |
| 02:11.18 | OverloadUT | Does anyone know if there is a way to make Bartender3 bars "snap" to each other like Bongos does? It's the only thing stopping me from switching, but for me it's a really big thing. :( |
| 02:11.23 | break19 | trh: well.. nextstep is more closely related to OS X than most people think |
| 02:11.34 | trh | break19: didn't tried nextstep yet |
| 02:11.41 | break19 | JJSheets: I didnt shell out tons of money, my computer came with it. |
| 02:11.46 | NightHawkTheSane | break19: if by "more closely related to" you mean "a direct ancestor of" than yes |
| 02:12.00 | JJSheets | break19, how much did you pay for the comp? |
| 02:12.16 | break19 | JJSheets: $1200 US |
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| 02:12.41 | JJSheets | bah for that I'll custom build and load linux. |
| 02:12.45 | break19 | iBook G4 1.42Ghz, upgraded RAM to 1G |
| 02:12.53 | break19 | custom build me a laptop.. go ahead.. |
| 02:12.56 | break19 | still waiting. :p |
| 02:13.06 | JJSheets | I hate laptops... so... lol |
| 02:13.14 | trh | omg.. ibooks are so f*ing cheap in the usa |
| 02:13.27 | break19 | trh: that was 2 years ago :) |
| 02:13.46 | break19 | I had an in tho :p |
| 02:13.57 | JJSheets | the only thing I like about laptops is repairing the power connector on them... easiest $80 I ever make. |
| 02:13.57 | OverloadUT | break19: You can't buy an Apple computer and claim that you didn't pay for OS X ;) |
| 02:14.01 | trh | break19: ya, but here you wont get a ibook with that stats at that time for less then 1500eur |
| 02:14.15 | break19 | good friends with the owner of the local authorized reseller. :) |
| 02:14.27 | break19 | in fact.. we got 2 for that price buy 1 get 1 free :p |
| 02:14.40 | trh | break19: thats nice |
| 02:14.42 | break19 | he gave us the 2nd as a late wedding gift :) |
| 02:14.58 | trh | very nice =) |
| 02:15.07 | JJSheets | Borat nice. |
| 02:15.21 | break19 | OverloadUT: quite true, however, I didnt spend the money on the OS, I spent it on the hardware.. the OS came with it. |
| 02:15.25 | trh | well.. i'm sticking for now with x86 from amd and a free windows from the msdnaa program :) |
| 02:16.05 | break19 | in fact, as soon as leopard ships, I could quite likely get a copy from him :P |
| 02:16.30 | break19 | altho, I likely wont do that.. just wait a few more years more.. and get a new mac with it preloaded :) |
| 02:17.12 | ckknight | get me a copy :-P |
| 02:17.36 | break19 | ckknight: I'll see what I can do :) |
| 02:17.39 | chutwig | god damn |
| 02:17.43 | chutwig | aran is frickin' impossible without a warlock |
| 02:17.49 | chutwig | lazy warlocks won't log on >:( |
| 02:17.51 | ckknight | it's a ways away, though |
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| 02:18.25 | Gngsk | chutwig, certainly not impossible...order of magnitudes more difficult, yes! |
| 02:18.38 | chutwig | picture perfect to 40% and then raaaaaaped |
| 02:18.57 | chutwig | as the elementals systematically machine gun everyone down |
| 02:19.58 | NightHawkTheSane | chutwig: whats your raid makeup? |
| 02:20.16 | chutwig | two rogues, mage, druid, warrior |
| 02:20.24 | chutwig | all the melee are on him and the mage to kick and counterspell |
| 02:20.29 | chutwig | like i said, everything's perfect to 40% |
| 02:20.37 | NightHawkTheSane | erm, two of each of those? |
| 02:20.40 | chutwig | but two priests isn't enough to fear the elementals and it gets resisted a lot |
| 02:20.43 | chutwig | no, not two of each |
| 02:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, then whos the other 5? :P |
| 02:21.10 | chutwig | then hunter, two priests, and two palawins |
| 02:21.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh. druids feral? |
| 02:21.24 | chutwig | he's the mt |
| 02:21.38 | NightHawkTheSane | .. why are you tanking aran? o_0 |
| 02:21.39 | CIA-18 | 03funkydude * r29627 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs): PeriodicTable-3.0: Loot/Item update |
| 02:21.42 | chutwig | we're not |
| 02:21.56 | chutwig | i'm just indicating he's feral by saying he's normally the MT |
| 02:21.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh, okay :) |
| 02:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | did you try having the druid tank the ele's? or some of them at least? |
| 02:22.26 | chutwig | we try to round them up, but usually it's a trainwreck |
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| 02:25.37 | OverloadUT | GAH! I'm getting an error in AceDB but it doesn't say what mod is causing it and it's breaking everything... |
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| 02:26.47 | Kaelten | NightHawkTheSane: the built in server is apache 1.3 :s and it chokes on my mod_python |
| 02:27.04 | chutwig | some guy publishes apache 2 packages for OS X |
| 02:27.36 | chutwig | entropy.ch, i think |
| 02:27.38 | Kaelten | ya they do |
| 02:27.48 | Kaelten | but I can't seem to get 2.2 to work |
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| 02:28.09 | chutwig | work in what sense |
| 02:28.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: ah, I'm not sure what to say. :\ google i guess? I havn't tried installing additional apache modules |
| 02:29.16 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 02:30.26 | chutwig | because i am an ekthpert OS X admin and maybe i can help you work it out |
| 02:30.43 | chutwig | later, after i'm done getting cornholed by aran |
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| 02:51.51 | OverloadUT | How do you add a comment to a TOC file? Possible? |
| 02:52.54 | nymbia | # |
| 02:53.00 | nymbia | (single) |
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| 02:54.13 | Gagorian | bug reports ftw: "There is a bug with the buff blessing of light somewhere in the mod..." |
| 02:54.23 | Gagorian | Oh yeah, that helps me! |
| 02:56.55 | nymbia | quality bug report. |
| 02:57.34 | OverloadUT | I like this one better that I got: |
| 02:57.46 | break19 | Gagorian: oh cmon.. you mean to tell me you cant see what he's saying? it's a bug! with the buff, man! |
| 02:57.50 | OverloadUT | "In red it seys dependency missing" |
| 02:58.31 | OverloadUT | Although to be fair, I know exactly what the problem is and can tell him how to fix it (he doesn't have Cartographer) but I still find it a retarded bug report. :P |
| 03:01.47 | Arrowmaster | anybody know the respawn time on the karazhan trash after shade of aran to prince? |
| 03:03.23 | snurre- | isnt it about an hour? |
| 03:03.35 | snurre- | can't remember really, but it's 45, 60 or 90min |
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| 03:07.31 | Arrowmaster | were pushing 2 hours without respawn |
| 03:09.43 | snurre- | hm, maybe it was 2h |
| 03:09.50 | snurre- | havent done it in some weeks now, cant remember |
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| 03:17.17 | Sole | hai |
| 03:17.27 | Sole | sweet jesus, why do people like trinity bars? |
| 03:18.55 | Arrowmaster | ok respawns after 2 hours |
| 03:19.54 | NightHawkTheSane | because you touch yourself at night |
| 03:20.29 | Sole | trinity bars has 8k lines of code in 1 file :O |
| 03:20.39 | Sole | talk about difficult to work with |
| 03:21.13 | OverloadUT | Speaking of bar mods, hopefully I can get an answer to my questin ;) |
| 03:21.21 | OverloadUT | Does anyone know if there is a way to make Bartender3 bars "snap" to each other like Bongos does? It's the only thing stopping me from switching, but for me it's a really big thing. :( |
| 03:21.25 | ZealotOnAStick | Because they don't care about the code and have never looked at it. |
| 03:21.38 | ZealotOnAStick | I tried to figure out how to make a cyCircled plugin for Trinity, and it hurt my head. |
| 03:21.54 | ZealotOnAStick | I gave up after about 2 hours and took a naproxen sodium. |
| 03:22.37 | OverloadUT | Okay, new question, what the hell does this mean? "Cannot access key "raw" in db table. You may want to use db.profile["raw"]" |
| 03:22.40 | OverloadUT | It's an AceDB error |
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| 03:23.51 | Sole | lol zealot |
| 03:24.39 | Sole | OverloadUT: I dunno if BT3 has snap, but why do you wanna switch from bongos? |
| 03:25.02 | OverloadUT | Sole: Because Macrotexter supports BT3 and not Bongos :( |
| 03:25.13 | Sole | Macrotexter = ? |
| 03:25.15 | snurre- | not having snap in BT3 is a little annoying, but it's only a one-time occurance, when setting it up |
| 03:25.44 | OverloadUT | I also like that BT3 can make the bars go smaller than Bongos and I really hate having to make one little change on one character and remembering to "load" the preset on every other character in Bongos |
| 03:25.49 | snurre- | not like you have to configure bars all the time, no big problem spending 3 extra secs setting it up without snap the one time you do it |
| 03:26.29 | OverloadUT | snurre-: You'd be surprised how often I want to tweak my interface by moving the bars over a little to the left or right, and stuff |
| 03:26.32 | OverloadUT | :) |
| 03:26.50 | OverloadUT | Sole: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=6909 |
| 03:28.54 | Sole | interesting |
| 03:29.25 | OverloadUT | This AceDB bug is kicking my ass. I have no idea what causes it :( |
| 03:29.31 | OverloadUT | s/bug/error/ |
| 03:48.54 | art3mis | yeah about that... did you ever get the feeling you was only going with girls because you were suppose to? |
| 03:51.18 | OverloadUT | You ever get the feeling that AceDB hates you? T_T |
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| 04:17.42 | OverloadUT | FIGURED IT OUT! Don't have AceDB as a mixin in a module if you are going to use :AcquireDBNamespace()! It makes AceDB crash and burn with a 100% useless error message, which causes ALL of your Ace2 addons to crash and burn with it. Man that was annoying. :P |
| 04:18.12 | pastamancer | OverloadUT: oh, I thought that was documented somewhere |
| 04:18.17 | OverloadUT | It's very possible |
| 04:18.40 | pastamancer | I used BigWigs as an example when I wrote the AceDB handling bits of Grid |
| 04:19.25 | OverloadUT | I was using two mods as an example, but since the mixins vary from mod to mod I didn't even think of giving it as second glance |
| 04:19.50 | OverloadUT | But it's working now yay! :D |
| 04:20.02 | OverloadUT | Now that it actually loads, time to fix the billions of bugs :P |
| 04:20.34 | vhaarr | If you had used BW as an example, you'd have seen that it handles modules that mixes in AceDB-2.0 differently from others. |
| 04:20.51 | OverloadO | Ah |
| 04:31.36 | Prophy | anyone got a good place to farm motes of water? |
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| 04:36.30 | Medlir | Fish them on the Elemental Plateau in Nagrand. |
| 04:36.48 | Gagorian | Well, that's easy but not fast |
| 04:36.59 | Medlir | faster than killing water elementals. |
| 04:37.00 | Gagorian | Fastest place to farm is at skettis in terokkar |
| 04:37.45 | Gagorian | Well, provided that they're spawned when you go there and only spend the time fishing.. But that will net you ~2-3 primals |
| 04:37.55 | Gagorian | In skettis you can get 8-10 per hour |
| 04:38.03 | Gagorian | At least if you're an imba farming class |
| 04:38.14 | Medlir | Hmm. |
| 04:38.19 | Prophy | nice |
| 04:38.31 | Prophy | how about farming motes of fire |
| 04:38.39 | Gagorian | Blade's edge both forge camps |
| 04:38.46 | Gagorian | Fly between them |
| 04:40.27 | Prophy | looks like just fires and waters are worth farming and selling |
| 04:40.37 | Prophy | need some way of funding an epic mount lol |
| 04:41.00 | Gagorian | Indeed |
| 04:41.13 | Prophy | dunno what else to farm that sells well but motes! |
| 04:41.15 | Gagorian | Combined with alchemy and transmutation mastery primals can make quite nicely cash |
| 04:41.18 | Prophy | any suggestions? |
| 04:41.37 | Gagorian | Farm primal nethers and get a good crafting recipy :] |
| 04:41.38 | Prophy | xmute mastery can only xmute every 2 days =( |
| 04:41.47 | Gagorian | every 24 hours |
| 04:42.00 | Gagorian | And.. If you net 5x Primal Might from the mats of one |
| 04:42.10 | Gagorian | well on my server that's 650-750g |
| 04:42.32 | Prophy | how well are motes of mana selling? useful? |
| 04:43.03 | Gagorian | Yeah they sell and are used for spellcloth/damage enchants etc. |
| 04:43.14 | Prophy | primal mights are about 80g on ours |
| 04:43.17 | Gagorian | They're valued between water and fire on my server |
| 04:43.17 | Arrowmaster | doing prince and our priest just fell over and died... no damage in combat log, just died..... |
| 04:43.35 | Gagorian | Primal might is 125g rush hour up to 150g night |
| 04:43.56 | Gagorian | But it's one of the oldest servers so there's a lot of cash circulating I'd guess |
| 04:44.08 | Prophy | we did prince and we have 10 infernals spawns... |
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| 04:45.41 | nymbia | sounds right ;) |
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| 04:46.06 | Arrowmaster | got him to 7% but now we keep getting the worst luck with spawns |
| 04:46.42 | nymbia | from 50% on down he spawns 'em fast |
| 04:46.45 | nymbia | err 15% |
| 04:47.46 | Funkeh` | we got gruul to 19% today >.> |
| 04:48.10 | Funkeh` | that throw is so unreliable it pisses me off |
| 04:48.37 | Gagorian | The funny thing about Gruul is that he can bug out and don't do throws at all |
| 04:48.41 | Gagorian | just cave in and grow |
| 04:48.42 | Birdemani[FH] | not anymore |
| 04:48.54 | Birdemani[FH] | he works for the most part now |
| 04:48.57 | Gagorian | Did on sunday, when was it patched? |
| 04:49.10 | Birdemani[FH] | odd, hadnt heard of him still doing that |
| 04:49.29 | Gagorian | Well, we did a few dry runs.. Flasked up and buffed to full and he bugged out |
| 04:49.44 | Funkeh` | awww crap |
| 04:49.47 | Funkeh` | that must suck |
| 04:49.58 | Gagorian | Well, at least he died :P |
| 04:50.03 | Jagobah | gah |
| 04:50.08 | Funkeh` | nice |
| 04:50.13 | Jagobah | we had a bugged run and still died |
| 04:50.18 | Jagobah | we're pretty terrible :( |
| 04:50.23 | Funkeh` | well if he don't die this week for us theres something wrong wiht us :p |
| 04:50.28 | Gagorian | Yeah, well our first kill was a proper one |
| 04:50.38 | Fisker- | damn |
| 04:50.39 | Jagobah | best attempt is 31% =\ |
| 04:50.42 | Funkeh` | i went shadow to push every bit of dps we had |
| 04:50.48 | Fisker- | vivendi must me like the biggest n00bs |
| 04:50.55 | Gagorian | I did 1064 dps on him :l |
| 04:51.08 | Gagorian | Too bad I was a CoE gimp :( |
| 04:51.41 | Fisker- | they're also spamming me with mails :( |
| 04:51.57 | Fisker- | reported some goldseller who whispered me and got 2 emails back |
| 04:52.40 | WobWork | I got two CoD scams in the mail last night |
| 04:53.03 | Birdemani[FH] | anyone here watching Heroes |
| 04:53.48 | Jagobah | I already saw it |
| 04:54.02 | Jagobah | Sylar kills Peter, new episode next week |
| 04:54.16 | Birdemani[FH] | actually it was today and he doesnt |
| 04:54.28 | Birdemani[FH] | we got the preview for the april 23rd, he is still alive |
| 04:54.36 | Jagobah | hahaha :) |
| 04:54.52 | Jagobah | well we thought simone was alive from the last preview ! |
| 04:55.02 | Birdemani[FH] | ya |
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| 05:10.13 | Jagobah | 22% |
| 05:10.17 | Jagobah | and we messed up shatters |
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| 05:22.16 | vhaarr | Nargiddley: ping |
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| 05:36.03 | Nargiddley | vhaarr, yeah ? |
| 05:36.38 | vhaarr | Nargiddley: I've made some changes to an option table, most notably done |disabled = "~IsActive",| and the sorts, and it doesn't seem to cooperate with Waterfall. |
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| 05:37.01 | vhaarr | as opposed to |disabled = function() return not self:IsActive() end| |
| 05:37.26 | Nargiddley | vhaarr: hm, it should be able to do that. Dont think i've seen it tested tho. I'll look into it |
| 05:37.44 | vhaarr | Nargiddley: Can you test and fix that now if I commit bigwigs code that reproduces the problem? |
| 05:37.50 | vhaarr | Nargiddley: If not, I'm going to wait with the commit. |
| 05:38.38 | Nargiddley | vhaarr: not sure if i'll be able to get it fixed right now, if its just the ~ thats the prob i'll look into it |
| 05:39.32 | vhaarr | Well, you know what I did before when it worked, and what I'm doing now when it's not working, since I've already outlined that. |
| 05:40.34 | Nargiddley | vhaarr, is it ignoring the disabled, reversing it or getting stuck one way ? |
| 05:40.46 | vhaarr | Right, that I don't know. |
| 05:41.02 | Nargiddley | vhaarr, k i'll look into it |
| 05:41.08 | vhaarr | Let me check if it's just reversede. |
| 05:41.09 | vhaarr | -e |
| 05:41.14 | Jagobah | 10 |
| 05:41.20 | Jagobah | 10% on gruul, last attempt |
| 05:41.21 | vhaarr | Yes, that's it. |
| 05:41.25 | Jagobah | so sad to end it on that |
| 05:41.25 | vhaarr | Nargiddley: It's just reversed. |
| 05:48.07 | Nargiddley | vhaarr, think ive found the prob. Testing now |
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| 05:54.07 | vhaarr | wtf |
| 05:54.15 | vhaarr | Give EU forums. |
| 05:54.27 | haste | Hasn't it been down for like a day now? |
| 05:54.36 | vhaarr | I don't know, I only access them once a year. |
| 05:57.19 | xlvii | i tried to access them at about, 10:30 am my time |
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| 05:57.20 | xlvii | which is 12:30 AM GMT |
| 05:57.20 | vhaarr | haste: Did you have some kind of script to check globals pollution? |
| 05:57.20 | vhaarr | I guess you just save _G and load the addon and compare. |
| 05:57.20 | haste | luac-5.1.1 -l -p file.lua :) |
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| 05:57.21 | Funkeh`` | 'I don't know, I only access them once a year.' |
| 05:57.31 | Funkeh`` | i think that sums up everyone one eu's experience |
| 05:57.48 | xlvii | it's the only thing i can read that's wow related. |
| 05:57.49 | Funkeh`` | i check the us forums more often tbh |
| 05:57.50 | haste | I'm working on a little pipe for it tho', so I can get a little bit better output of the information I want |
| 05:57.53 | xlvii | at school, that is. |
| 05:58.40 | haste | Only site I can't check at school is 4chan :< |
| 05:59.01 | vhaarr | haste: Heh, the luac compiler chokes on those weird kokrean symbols. |
| 05:59.10 | vhaarr |  |
| 05:59.28 | haste | not if you run UTF-8 in your terminals with CJK support |
| 05:59.51 | vhaarr | gah, who the hell does that >< |
| 05:59.58 | haste | I do that |
| 06:00.01 | vhaarr | ;) |
| 06:00.55 | vhaarr | gnome-terminal should be doing that |
| 06:01.16 | haste | what does your locale output? |
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| 06:05.23 | CIA-18 | 03nargiddley * r29628 10Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0/Waterfall-1.0.lua: Waterfall-1.0: disabled = "~Method" is now handled properly by the treeview |
| 06:05.45 | Nargiddley | vhaarr: that was working with disabled ="~IsActive" for me |
| 06:06.33 | Loki|muh | Nargiddley: can you please have a look at: http://www.wowace.com/trac/ticket/442 |
| 06:07.15 | Loki|muh | Nargiddley: I'm wondering if this is a problem with Graduity and German WoW or something with Baggins |
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| 06:08.24 | Nargiddley | Loki|muh, as far as i know its a gratuity bug. happens with some items |
| 06:08.36 | Nargiddley | Loki|muh, wouldnt happen to be a hunter with dragonstalker thats bugged ? |
| 06:08.58 | Loki|muh | yeah |
| 06:09.02 | Loki|muh | this is my problem ;) |
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| 06:11.01 | Loki|muh | is there a maintainer for these libraries? |
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| 06:12.52 | Nargiddley | everyone i've asked has said yes to having dragonstalker, the tooltip for it must be weird somewhere :/ |
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| 06:15.24 | Loki|muh | is it only with german dragonstalker or is it language independent? |
| 06:17.10 | Nargiddley | not sure |
| 06:19.44 | eXemplar | anyone know of a mod that shows recipes/schematics/formulas you're missing ? |
| 06:22.12 | Diabolic-Destiny | i thnk recipe book? |
| 06:22.22 | Diabolic-Destiny | or recpie radar |
| 06:22.36 | Diabolic-Destiny | wait no nvm |
| 06:22.42 | Diabolic-Destiny | u need some sort of DB kinda addon |
| 06:23.05 | eXemplar | tradeskillinfo looks like what I want |
| 06:23.55 | xlvii | http://www.ketchikanunderground.com/thesite/ -- register, i want to see what happens. |
| 06:26.46 | neenee | It doesn't do anything but add you to the conspiracy |
| 06:26.56 | neenee | 'You have been registered for The Site. Check back later for login capabilities.' |
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| 06:28.49 | xlvii | thanks neenee |
| 06:29.12 | CIA-18 | 03rabbit * r29629 10BigWigs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 06:29.12 | CIA-18 | BigWigs: |
| 06:29.12 | CIA-18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.12 | CIA-18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.12 | CIA-18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.13 | neenee | :) |
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| 06:29.15 | CIA-18 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:42.09 | OverloadUT | Is there a better SVN feed than trac? trac doesn't put any carriage returns so it's hard to read the changelogs |
| 06:42.39 | vhaarr | http://wowace.com/trac/log/?verbose=on |
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| 06:49.36 | Tem | aha! |
| 06:49.45 | Tem | I found the cause of the annoying deadspot in my UI |
| 06:49.54 | Tem | it's some agUF group anchors |
| 06:50.36 | vhaarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.49 | vhaarr | *Focus |
| 06:51.12 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.30 | Tem | any ideas on getting them elsewhere? |
| 06:51.32 | vhaarr | anyway I thought that problem was fixed some time ago |
| 06:51.44 | vhaarr | you can show them |
| 06:51.47 | vhaarr | and move them manually |
| 06:51.48 | vhaarr | somehow |
| 06:52.11 | Tem | yeah, I was looking, but I got lost in the forest of dropdowns |
| 06:53.00 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 06:55.20 | Tem | afaikt, it looks like I need to get into a raid group to fix this |
| 06:55.35 | Tem | that's the only way I can figure to make the anchors moveable |
| 06:57.11 | vhaarr | Unit Frames -> Raid -> Raid Groups -> groupX -> Show Group Anchor |
| 06:57.20 | Tem | does nothing |
| 06:57.52 | vhaarr | heh |
| 06:58.11 | vhaarr | there are too many problems with the agUF option menu, I think it needs a redesign |
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| 06:59.55 | Tem | oh well that's a huge lol |
| 07:00.14 | Tem | the aguf group anchors _weren't_ the problem |
| 07:00.38 | Tem | but because there were so many of them in the *exact* spot, I didn't notice the real cause |
| 07:01.04 | vhaarr | :P |
| 07:01.06 | Tem | it was clad's fault |
| 07:01.34 | ZealotOnAStick | Ooh, someone let ck know. ;) |
| 07:02.29 | vhaarr | Anyway, the agUF option table is an abomination, and it has real problems, like the fact that it's not registered in OnInit, but in OnEnable. |
| 07:02.41 | Tem | actually, that's better, imo |
| 07:02.51 | vhaarr | Which means that if you disable agUF and relog, there's no way of getting it back short of a /script command. |
| 07:02.52 | Tem | OnInit is called at a very strange time, imo |
| 07:04.39 | ckknight | OnInit is done at the first time the database is available (ADDON_LOADED) |
| 07:05.57 | Tem | too soon |
| 07:06.03 | Tem | addons shouldn't do anything until after PEW |
| 07:06.07 | vhaarr | It's a reasonable time to call it imo, but it could've been done at VARIABLES_LOADED. |
| 07:06.35 | Tem | vars loaded is better, but possibly still too soon |
| 07:07.41 | vhaarr | reason? |
| 07:08.20 | CIA-18 | 03adirelle * r29630 10CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua README.txt): |
| 07:08.21 | CIA-18 | CastYeller: |
| 07:08.22 | CIA-18 | - fixed another error when custom channel is undefined, |
| 07:08.22 | CIA-18 | - fixed some typos, |
| 07:08.22 | CIA-18 | - minor code cleanup, |
| 07:08.22 | CIA-18 | - updated the README.txt. |
| 07:08.22 | Tem | until pew the player doesn't have control |
| 07:08.39 | Tem | anything possible to shorten this time should be done |
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| 07:09.23 | vhaarr | that sounds reasonable |
| 07:11.48 | vhaarr | but anyway, when oninit is called is not the problem agUF has, it's how it uses oninit vs onenable |
| 07:12.20 | Tem | yeah |
| 07:12.33 | Tem | I'm not really sure what the right road for that issue is |
| 07:12.39 | vhaarr | it's like I said |
| 07:12.47 | vhaarr | you have to register the chat command oninit |
| 07:12.55 | Tem | because really, I don't like OnInit being called when it's disabled either |
| 07:12.57 | vhaarr | if not, people won't be able to re-enable your addon |
| 07:13.09 | Tem | right, I understand the problem |
| 07:13.16 | vhaarr | you don't "like" it? |
| 07:13.23 | vhaarr | what's that supposed to mean |
| 07:13.29 | sylvanaar | disabled = loaded |
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| 07:13.48 | sylvanaar | standby |
| 07:14.20 | Tem | vhaarr, what I mean is that I dislike addons doing things when they're supposed to be in standby (ie not doing anything) |
| 07:14.33 | Tem | *espcially* at a critical time like before PEW |
| 07:14.59 | vhaarr | Tem: 'standby' here is a term defined by Ace2, and it's defined as not having any events registered or any hooks active |
| 07:15.17 | vhaarr | other than that, an addon on standby can do whatever it wants |
| 07:15.26 | Tem | standby is a term that was defined 2 years ago by Ace |
| 07:15.40 | Tem | and it was supposed to mean "The addon is inert" |
| 07:16.13 | vhaarr | obviously you'll need some way to reactivate it |
| 07:16.19 | vhaarr | and the slash command is ideal for that |
| 07:16.24 | vhaarr | I fail to see the problem |
| 07:16.39 | vhaarr | except the early init, which I agree could've been done later |
| 07:17.10 | vhaarr | Tem: I don't see any alternatives. |
| 07:17.22 | Tem | It's a double edged sword |
| 07:17.48 | vhaarr | there's no difference |
| 07:17.56 | Tem | there's basically no difference |
| 07:17.59 | vhaarr | in doing it in the global scope and OnInit |
| 07:18.00 | vhaarr | basically, ye |
| 07:18.10 | Tem | after your main chunk loads is when ADDON_LOADED happens |
| 07:18.13 | sylvanaar | its a "little" better |
| 07:18.18 | Tem | s/loads/runs/ |
| 07:18.19 | vhaarr | Tem: OnInit is needed, I don't see any alternative. |
| 07:18.56 | Tem | vhaarr, What I'm really saying is that "OnInit" is a misnomer |
| 07:19.25 | sylvanaar | no it isnt, it just correlates to the addon's data being init |
| 07:19.35 | vhaarr | the main point of it is that it's run once, and only once, while OnEnable is run whenever your addon is taken out of standby |
| 07:19.41 | vhaarr | what it's called is irrelevant |
| 07:19.47 | Tem | well no |
| 07:20.11 | vhaarr | I'm not confused as to what it's supposed to do, so the name can't be that bad |
| 07:20.33 | Tem | the way I see it, it's purpose is, yes, to be run once and only once. However, what the addon does in there could be highly dependent on whether the addon is enabled or not |
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| 07:20.48 | Tem | ie, it __should not__ do some things if it's not enabled |
| 07:20.54 | sylvanaar | why, cause enable gets calles too |
| 07:20.55 | Tem | registering a menu is fine |
| 07:21.01 | JJSheets | Tem, anything depending on the addon being enabled damn well ought not to be in OnInit |
| 07:21.13 | vhaarr | Tem: yeah, but that's up to the individual addon author to deal with |
| 07:21.21 | vhaarr | Tem: we can't restrict what an addon can do oninit anyway |
| 07:21.27 | JJSheets | lol |
| 07:21.30 | Tem | you guys are missing what I'm saying 100% |
| 07:21.51 | vhaarr | well I am pretty tired :) |
| 07:22.00 | Tem | OnInit would be a place to INITIALIZE things, but you can't for 2 reasons |
| 07:22.08 | JJSheets | and I've been paying about 33% attention... |
| 07:22.09 | sylvanaar | you are saying basically "dont do too much work in your constructor" from OO |
| 07:22.31 | Tem | 1) It's at a critical time where you need to minimize the amount of time spent in script |
| 07:23.10 | Tem | 2) You shouldn't do most of your setup if you're disabled. In fact, the only legittimate thing I can see doing if you're disabled is setting up a slash command |
| 07:23.11 | sylvanaar | if its loaded on demand you dont know how critical the time is |
| 07:23.22 | vhaarr | Tem: indeed |
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| 07:23.54 | Tem | Now, you need a place for the setup stuff that should only be run once |
| 07:23.58 | vhaarr | Tem: Setting up a slash command and the populate the necessary variables so that the menu works as it should. |
| 07:24.09 | vhaarr | Tem: OnEnable is there for that. |
| 07:24.10 | Tem | it can't go in OnEnable because that may happen more than once |
| 07:24.14 | vhaarr | you can |
| 07:24.32 | vhaarr | OnEnables first argument is |true| if it's the first time it has been run. |
| 07:24.33 | Tem | (yes, I'm being overly obtuse with that, but that's besides the point) |
| 07:24.38 | Tem | oh? |
| 07:24.40 | vhaarr | yes |
| 07:24.56 | Tem | okay then |
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| 07:25.11 | Tem | then my only gripe about OnInit is the poor timing |
| 07:25.12 | JJSheets | lol |
| 07:25.17 | JJSheets | bwahahaha |
| 07:25.27 | vhaarr | I admit it seems too soon |
| 07:25.30 | FISKER_Q | Anyone remember what port wow uses? |
| 07:25.34 | krka | Tem: in any case, it should be easy to detect if you've run already or not |
| 07:25.37 | Tem | this is no holy war, JJSheets |
| 07:25.41 | JJSheets | lol |
| 07:25.49 | Tem | krka, that's what I meant by my "overly obtuse" statement |
| 07:25.52 | vhaarr | but I'm not too familiar with the whole thing to say for sure if it has to be done that early or not |
| 07:25.55 | krka | it's a discplined war? |
| 07:26.08 | JJSheets | police action? |
| 07:26.18 | JJSheets | pre-emptive strike? |
| 07:26.36 | vhaarr | LF raid group on magtheridon EU |
| 07:26.44 | ZealotOnAStick | Fisker-: 6112 and a couple others. |
| 07:26.52 | FISKER_Q | 6112 isn't the main one |
| 07:26.53 | Tem | JJSheets, if you want a holy war, you'll have to find someone who is rather pasionate about vim or emacs |
| 07:26.56 | ZealotOnAStick | There should be something on the blizzard site for firewall info that lists them. |
| 07:26.58 | Tem | the rest will do itself |
| 07:27.05 | FISKER_Q | it's 3xxx |
| 07:27.27 | Tem | or, you could attack my friends behind their back as /someone/ came *very* close to doing earlier |
| 07:27.29 | JJSheets | lol tem, I'm partial to SciTE... but I take vim if necessary. :p |
| 07:27.39 | vhaarr | scite is a piece of shit |
| 07:27.42 | JJSheets | rofl |
| 07:27.46 | Tem | I rather like scite |
| 07:27.55 | Tem | but on linux it was fugly |
| 07:27.58 | NightHawkTheSane | viva la emacs! |
| 07:28.51 | nymbia | my text editor could beat up your text editor |
| 07:29.39 | JJSheets | night ya'll. |
| 07:29.53 | pastamancer | NightHawkTheSane: hold your toungue! |
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| 07:31.36 | pastamancer | emacs is a fine editor |
| 07:31.37 | ZealotOnAStick | Real Men code with |
| 07:31.40 | ZealotOnAStick | argh |
| 07:31.47 | ZealotOnAStick | Real Men code with "copy con" |
| 07:35.15 | Barbanus | Real men don't let friends code sober |
| 07:35.30 | pastamancer | "three beer code" |
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| 07:38.05 | art3mis | zealot you fergot "in hex" |
| 07:38.23 | ZealotOnAStick | You've seen the "programmer's keyboard"? |
| 07:39.44 | winkiller | which imo sucks quite |
| 07:40.01 | winkiller | as I find my keys only 5 out of 7 days in average |
| 07:40.15 | winkiller | plus no clue what shift+number weilds |
| 07:40.25 | ZealotOnAStick | No . . . only has 2 keys, 0 and 1 |
| 07:42.42 | vhaarr | FryGuy-: ouch, you destroyed koKR |
| 07:42.46 | vhaarr | FryGuy-: http://wowace.com/trac/changeset/29624 |
| 07:43.11 | nymbia | obviously koKR deserved it |
| 07:44.10 | vhaarr | :P |
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| 07:50.46 | trh | hidiho |
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| 07:56.59 | FISKER_Q | anyone remember the url to the wowace svn? |
| 07:58.02 | Elkano | svn.wowace.com/wowace/ ? |
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| 08:04.02 | nee|work | Good morning one and all ;) |
| 08:05.40 | FISKER_Q | you win the prize Elkano |
| 08:05.51 | nymbia | mornin nee|work |
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| 08:05.59 | FISKER_Q | well actually you don't |
| 08:06.07 | FISKER_Q | or SVN is blocked here |
| 08:06.08 | FISKER_Q | :/ |
| 08:07.59 | Silviu- | FISKER_Q at me works fine |
| 08:08.14 | FISKER_Q | yeah i mean locally |
| 08:08.19 | FISKER_Q | i'm at work :P |
| 08:10.39 | Elkano | so http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/ dosn't work in the web browser for you? |
| 08:10.49 | nee|work | ;) |
| 08:11.04 | nee|work | It works for me :) |
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| 08:16.24 | FISKER_Q | works Elkano but i want to check if the svn protocol is allowed |
| 08:16.46 | Elkano | wtf? you can 'discover' new alchi recipes while simply brewing potions? |
| 08:17.02 | FISKER_Q | yeah |
| 08:17.07 | SunTiger | ayep |
| 08:17.19 | SunTiger | alchemy is the tradeskill with the most love right now |
| 08:17.34 | Gagorian | Tbh, tailoring > all |
| 08:17.39 | SunTiger | not really |
| 08:17.51 | Gagorian | Well, getting 5 items that are better than t5 |
| 08:18.00 | FISKER_Q | hmm |
| 08:18.05 | FISKER_Q | seems to work now |
| 08:18.09 | Gagorian | is a lot better than getting some lousy potions :D |
| 08:18.22 | CIA-18 | 03adirelle * r29631 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: |
| 08:18.22 | CIA-18 | Babble-2.2: |
| 08:18.22 | CIA-18 | - Spell: Snake trap frFR fix. |
| 08:18.27 | ZealotOnAStick | Alchemy needs a nerf. |
| 08:18.28 | Elkano | leatherworking sux... being able to craft items you won't be able to wear for the next 5 levels or so :/ |
| 08:18.29 | SunTiger | people use up potions, people only buy the items once per char. |
| 08:18.41 | vhaarr | Elkano: The problem with it is that it's 100% random. |
| 08:18.53 | vhaarr | So it's pure luck. |
| 08:19.05 | nymbia | course you've got a better chance of getting 2 world drop epics in 2 days than getting a discovery off a couple dozen pots |
| 08:19.14 | vhaarr | right |
| 08:19.14 | SunTiger | yeah |
| 08:19.20 | SunTiger | but its a nice detail |
| 08:19.21 | vhaarr | People can actually farm for tailoring recipes etc. |
| 08:19.25 | vhaarr | Alchemists can't. |
| 08:19.26 | Bibi`ouF | alchemy isn't overpowered, it's fully working as intended. |
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| 08:19.39 | Bibi`ouF | well, ok, alchemy can be overpowered sometimes, but just a bit. http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/flask.jpg |
| 08:19.41 | Elkano | btw: I've gotten my CE pets yesterday :) and noticed that my murloc isn't stored as a pet on wowhead and thus in PT3, yet :( |
| 08:19.47 | Bibi`ouF | (check logs) |
| 08:20.04 | SunTiger | the fact that a single achemist pretty much double all his imporant stats does not make it overpowered |
| 08:20.52 | nee|work | SunTiger: But is it profitable to do so? |
| 08:20.54 | Gagorian | Well, considering I can sell Girdle of Ruination for 300g a pop.. I need to make a hell of a lot potions to come close. |
| 08:20.58 | nymbia | any person can do that, though |
| 08:21.07 | SunTiger | no, self buff pots give no profit |
| 08:21.13 | SunTiger | selling flasks DOES |
| 08:21.22 | vhaarr | If you have the recipes, yeah. |
| 08:21.29 | vhaarr | It's the same deal with other tradeskills. |
| 08:21.30 | nee|work | And the herbs/time to get the herbs |
| 08:22.07 | vhaarr | Except we can't farm for the new recipes, we have to rely on chance to get them. |
| 08:22.53 | vhaarr | I make ~60 pots at least for our raid 2 times every week, and I have got no discoveries yet. |
| 08:23.00 | vhaarr | Others have probably made more and still got nothing. |
| 08:23.07 | ZealotOnAStick | Alchemy is entirely too overpowered. |
| 08:23.26 | SunTiger | zealot, exactly how is that ? |
| 08:23.30 | nymbia | anyone can use alchy pots, the thing that really defines a profession's advantages is the BOP items |
| 08:23.37 | ZealotOnAStick | Alchemy is SO good that raid content designers have to design their content around the assumption of heavy consumanble use, or risk their content being made trivial by it. |
| 08:23.42 | SunTiger | indeed, and we have ONE trinket |
| 08:23.56 | ZealotOnAStick | Thus, it results in the situation in game now that raid content REQUIRES heavy consumable use. |
| 08:24.08 | vhaarr | ZealotOnAStick: You can't hold that against the alchemists anyway. |
| 08:24.22 | ZealotOnAStick | I never said anything about the Alchemists. |
| 08:24.24 | FISKER_Q | vhaarr i heard during beta they only get discovered doing flasks |
| 08:24.31 | ZealotOnAStick | This is Blizzard's fault, not the players' |
| 08:24.37 | vhaarr | FISKER_Q: You heard wrong. |
| 08:24.38 | FISKER_Q | and only old flasks |
| 08:24.41 | FISKER_Q | No i didn't |
| 08:24.44 | vhaarr | You did. |
| 08:24.45 | FISKER_Q | i heard correct |
| 08:24.49 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 08:24.49 | vhaarr | okay |
| 08:24.52 | FISKER_Q | But what i heard might not be correct |
| 08:24.53 | FISKER_Q | :P |
| 08:24.55 | vhaarr | The person who said it was wrong :) |
| 08:25.20 | nymbia | FISKER_Q: any outlands potion |
| 08:25.29 | FISKER_Q | alright |
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| 08:25.46 | ZealotOnAStick | Consumables are too powerful. Full flasked, elixired, potted right now is MORE than the gear benefit from Full T3 vs. Full T5 + other known raid gear in the other slots. |
| 08:25.57 | Bibi`ouF | but it's temporary. |
| 08:26.07 | vhaarr | and expensive as hell |
| 08:26.15 | Bibi`ouF | you don't loose your T5 armor when you die |
| 08:26.18 | vhaarr | If you want to raid with that, go ahead. |
| 08:26.19 | Bibi`ouF | you do loose 90% of the consumables |
| 08:26.21 | NightHawkTheSane | (god is it expensive, just for vials alone. ><) |
| 08:26.24 | ZealotOnAStick | And it's -required- if you want to beat Gruul, or Hydross, or whatnot. |
| 08:26.34 | vhaarr | They're tuning that, though. |
| 08:26.40 | ZealotOnAStick | Hopefully. |
| 08:26.46 | vhaarr | Tseric said so, IIRC. |
| 08:26.50 | Bibi`ouF | but the only real problem with consumables is probably nightmare vines and terocones atm |
| 08:27.02 | FISKER_Q | I really hope they go nerf encounters to more just require stuff like major mana/healing |
| 08:27.04 | ZealotOnAStick | In BWL or Naxx, it wasn't an issue, because as you beat that boss and got gear off it, and off later bosses, your need for the consumables would scale down. |
| 08:27.05 | Bibi`ouF | everything else is fine as long as they don't farm the slave pens and dire maul farming |
| 08:27.06 | FISKER_Q | err super now :P |
| 08:27.11 | ZealotOnAStick | But we can SEE full T4 and T5 now . . . |
| 08:27.23 | ZealotOnAStick | and the upgrades aren't enough to remove the need for the consumables. Not by far. |
| 08:27.38 | Bibi`ouF | i doubt you've got full T4 people |
| 08:27.42 | vhaarr | indeed the upgrades are small |
| 08:27.58 | Bibi`ouF | it would take 25 weeks to get a full raid into T4 gear ^^ |
| 08:28.10 | ZealotOnAStick | Bibi`ouF - go to your scryer or aldor vendor and LOOK at the full T4 and T5 sets on them, right now. |
| 08:28.29 | ZealotOnAStick | Most of my existing gear is on par, or better, than T4 anyway. |
| 08:28.34 | Bibi`ouF | i'm a hunter, i don't look T4 and T5 sets, tears are blinding me |
| 08:28.39 | nee|work | I actually prefer encounters to need things everyone can get with relative ease, to requiring certain items/item-sets. |
| 08:28.52 | ZealotOnAStick | I want 2 pieces of it, only for the set bonus, not the actual stats on the item, and yes, I'm considering the sockets. |
| 08:29.03 | vhaarr | the only encounter that has required stuff up to now has been loatheb |
| 08:29.13 | Bibi`ouF | nee|work you can get consumables with relative ease |
| 08:29.21 | Bibi`ouF | it just takes a stupidly big amount of time |
| 08:29.28 | ZealotOnAStick | Loatheb reduced in time to taking less buffs and consumables, though. |
| 08:29.30 | nee|work | Bibi`ouF: I know, that's what I said, I think? :) |
| 08:29.36 | winkiller | we still wipe on Blackheart in ShadowLabs |
| 08:29.36 | Bibi`ouF | well |
| 08:29.40 | nee|work | Well, it's what I meant at least. |
| 08:29.41 | ZealotOnAStick | As people got their pants, that caster staff, and stuff off of other bosses in Naxx. |
| 08:29.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Bibi`ouF: i dont consider "a stupidly big ammount of time" relative ease |
| 08:29.55 | nee|work | NightHawkTheSane: I do :) |
| 08:30.00 | Bibi`ouF | not the same. :/ |
| 08:30.03 | ZealotOnAStick | Because the gear upgrades over AQ40/BWL were that significant. |
| 08:30.10 | ZealotOnAStick | Not the case with current raid content. |
| 08:30.37 | Bibi`ouF | anyway, if you've got troubles with consumables farming, http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=38 and http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=101 are teh way to go ! ^^ |
| 08:30.41 | vhaarr | The problem is that if the gear had the same progression now, players would do too much damage in pvp. |
| 08:30.46 | Bibi`ouF | but it still takes a lot of time |
| 08:30.56 | nee|work | NightHawkTheSane: Getting herbs takes less time than people spend on getting their reputation up with all the factions |
| 08:31.19 | nuoHep | nee|work, when an encounter -requires- 3-4 diff elixirs + flasks from -everyone- in a raid its not really easy |
| 08:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | nee|work: arguably so. but you only have to do the rep grind once (per char). you keep farming herbs over and over |
| 08:31.32 | ZealotOnAStick | So, if the gear can't progress like that (which, it could, since they're updating Arena gear each season), the only other reasonable option is alter alchemy/consumables. |
| 08:31.51 | Bibi`ouF | they're updating arena gear each season ? o_O |
| 08:32.24 | Aens|Superiority | good, i'm on track to get my 2h in a few weeks. Save up the points for a real pvp set next season |
| 08:32.24 | nee|work | NightHawkTheSane: True, but you can do so without having to depend on others :) |
| 08:32.25 | Bibi`ouF | i didn't know that, well it makes sense but arena is still a lot easier than raiding to me |
| 08:33.11 | Aens|Superiority | imo, raiding isn't for the gear, its for the kill. Couple <20% wipes on gruul tonight just makes me want to kill him even more. |
| 08:33.30 | nee|work | I think it's for the gear, at least for many to most it is. |
| 08:33.47 | Aens|Superiority | once we flask up tomorrow, gruul down! |
| 08:34.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Eh. I do it because of the challenge, and the kill. The gear's the nice benefit from the work |
| 08:34.10 | nee|work | Gear has a longer show-off life than a kill :) |
| 08:34.13 | ZealotOnAStick | I seriously only want to kill Gruul to get the damn quest item off of him. |
| 08:34.16 | ZealotOnAStick | That is NOT a fun fight. |
| 08:34.19 | ZealotOnAStick | Maulgar's fun. |
| 08:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Though, it irks me that it's basically trivial to pvp for gear |
| 08:34.24 | ZealotOnAStick | Gruul is just a pain in the ass. |
| 08:34.24 | Aens|Superiority | maulgar is boring |
| 08:34.30 | Aens|Superiority | gruul is fun once you've mastered the mechanic |
| 08:34.32 | nee|work | I don't raid at all yet |
| 08:34.55 | Aens|Superiority | only one or two people die to shatter per attempt, we just ran out of dps by the time grow 17 came by |
| 08:34.59 | winkiller | raiding isn't the same anymote |
| 08:35.04 | winkiller | I miss AQ20 and ZG already |
| 08:35.13 | winkiller | no sucky attunement, no rep grind |
| 08:35.19 | ZealotOnAStick | Still, there's nothing off of Gruul, or out of Karazhan, that will remove the requirement to flask up and use lots of consumables for every character in the raid in the near future to kill Gruul. |
| 08:35.22 | winkiller | just gather people and have fun :/ |
| 08:35.41 | nymbia | winkiller: there was no rep grind for aq20 or zg? since when? |
| 08:35.49 | PHL-Chuck | blizz watched the progression of EQ ... rep grind lol |
| 08:36.00 | PHL-Chuck | for the rewards but not to get in I guess? |
| 08:36.01 | ZealotOnAStick | No rep grind to get into the zones, nymbia. |
| 08:36.01 | Aens|Superiority | ZealotOnAStick: so you'd rather have the people who were in naxx for the last half year have all their gear become obsolete instantly? |
| 08:36.14 | Aens|Superiority | gruul has no rep requirements... |
| 08:36.17 | nymbia | there's no rep grind to get into KZ |
| 08:36.23 | nymbia | or gruul or maggy |
| 08:36.27 | PHL-Chuck | just a long key quest |
| 08:36.28 | Aens|Superiority | yeah |
| 08:36.29 | winkiller | but attunements |
| 08:36.40 | Aens|Superiority | only rep requirements so far are tempest keep |
| 08:36.41 | NightHawkTheSane | kara key quest, long? hah, it's stupidly easy |
| 08:36.42 | winkiller | and ShadowLab just sucks imo :P |
| 08:36.47 | nymbia | there's no attunement for gruul or magtheridon. |
| 08:36.56 | ZealotOnAStick | No, but those are all keycheck raids to get into The Eye/Serpentshrine. |
| 08:36.58 | nymbia | kara quest is very short. |
| 08:37.14 | winkiller | both aren't as good raidspots as ZG |
| 08:37.17 | NightHawkTheSane | get 5 not brain dead people and you can attune for kara in an afternoon. it's like 2.3 instance runs |
| 08:37.19 | winkiller | more liky Ony |
| 08:37.19 | nuoHep | Aens|Superiority, blues are already better then t3... so why not make gear from raids much better then blues |
| 08:37.31 | Aens|Superiority | nuoHep: for some classes |
| 08:37.48 | PHL-Chuck | 400 people in my guild, but hard to get 4 people to help do anything |
| 08:37.49 | Aens|Superiority | my t4 is leaps and bounds better than t3/blues |
| 08:37.52 | winkiller | NightHawkTheSane: for some reason many not-braindead people I know struggle in ShadowLab :P |
| 08:38.02 | ZealotOnAStick | Aens|Superiority: My guild was in Naxx since the week it was released, and a good portion of the guild replaced their naxx drops from quest rewards and instance drops leveling to 70. |
| 08:38.04 | nuoHep | well, yeah. maybe. im rogue so |
| 08:38.05 | winkiller | including my own try |
| 08:38.08 | NightHawkTheSane | winkiller: no, those people are brain dead. :P |
| 08:38.18 | Gagorian | Well, my spelldamage has gone up from 700 to 1200.. So gear has improved a lot. |
| 08:38.34 | nymbia | shadow labs non-heroic? that'd be hard to struggle in. |
| 08:38.41 | winkiller | Blackheart |
| 08:38.46 | ZealotOnAStick | DPS casters not as much, but The -only- reason I'm still holding on to 4 pieces of plagueheart is the set bonus. pure Stats/Damage wise, I've got various pieces sitting in bank that add up to more. |
| 08:38.48 | NightHawkTheSane | I could maybe see BM being troublesome with a less than stellar group, but shadow lab is really easy. only time i've ever wiped there is bad luck on Blackheart, and when I fucked up on murmur |
| 08:38.51 | Aens|Superiority | ZealotOnAStick: some classes. There's still quite a few good pieces from naxx that you wont replace cause of no upgrade. Quite frankly, I prefer it this way. |
| 08:38.54 | winkiller | every single try we killed the healer in 1st MC phase |
| 08:39.14 | nymbia | does the healer have like 4000 hp? |
| 08:39.15 | Aens|Superiority | winkiller: tell your healer to put on some sta gear ;p |
| 08:39.29 | winkiller | I blae it on the wrong party setup |
| 08:39.29 | Gagorian | Name one naxx caster loot that can't be replaced? :P |
| 08:39.32 | Codayus | BM is a lot easier than Shadow Labs I think, if you remember the Golden Rule of BM: Bring 3 DPS classes. |
| 08:39.32 | Aens|Superiority | primal mooncloth set is NOT a good set |
| 08:39.41 | winkiller | it was a resto druid... |
| 08:39.52 | winkiller | but 2 rogues killed him |
| 08:39.56 | Aens|Superiority | Gagorian: ghoul skin tunic |
| 08:40.09 | Codayus | :-) |
| 08:40.10 | Gagorian | Well if you use it on a caster... ;) |
| 08:40.24 | ZealotOnAStick | Gagorian: The only thing I've not seen with an equivalent enough upgrade yet is the (he said caster) the held item from Sapphiron. |
| 08:40.27 | Aens|Superiority | oh, caster |
| 08:40.30 | Aens|Superiority | didn't see that part |
| 08:40.36 | nee|work | Isn't http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28051 a good replacement for the Ghoul Skin Tunic? |
| 08:40.39 | Aens|Superiority | that fire ring random drop is pretty good is it not |
| 08:40.49 | PHL-Chuck | bah I hate weekly downtime.. only 2 hrs to go |
| 08:41.03 | nee|work | For some reason, the EU servers didn't go down |
| 08:41.04 | ZealotOnAStick | That ring for fire mages or destro locks . . . still haven't seen a better ring than the C'thun reward one. |
| 08:41.06 | Gagorian | ZealotOnAStick: Umm, what item? |
| 08:41.09 | Aens|Superiority | nee|work: not really. Its a sidegrade. |
| 08:41.11 | nee|work | I think they're doing those rolling restarts again |
| 08:41.20 | ZealotOnAStick | It's one of his claws. I don't remember if it's left or right. |
| 08:41.21 | nee|work | Aens|Superiority: Sidegrade? |
| 08:41.28 | Gagorian | Yeah, still using c'thun ring but kara exalted is worth a switch tbh |
| 08:41.45 | Gagorian | The caster offhand? |
| 08:41.47 | ZealotOnAStick | Over Ring of the Fallen God or whatever? |
| 08:41.50 | Gagorian | Yar |
| 08:41.53 | ZealotOnAStick | Yes, the Caster Offhand from Sapphiron. |
| 08:41.59 | Gagorian | The heroic offhand is better :l |
| 08:42.04 | ZealotOnAStick | which one? |
| 08:42.09 | Gagorian | +49 shadow dam if you're shadow |
| 08:42.15 | nee|work | That chest is moved to a different operating system, disregarding the license? |
| 08:42.19 | Aens|Superiority | nee|work: as in, that bp, is not better, and isn't worse. |
| 08:42.32 | Gagorian | ZealotOnAStick: from the badges |
| 08:42.34 | nee|work | If it's not better and not worse, is it not a good alternative? |
| 08:42.34 | ZealotOnAStick | Yay, +dam, with no crit/hit, which the sapphiron one has both. |
| 08:42.47 | Aens|Superiority | nee|work: thats what i mean by sidegrade |
| 08:42.51 | nee|work | oki |
| 08:43.09 | ZealotOnAStick | The held that drops off of Hydross is the first one I'd consider switching to. |
| 08:43.17 | Gagorian | The dam is a lot more efficient DPS wise than the reduced rating effect from the sapph offhand at level 70 |
| 08:43.17 | sylvanaar | the crit/hit it has tho scaled down as you leveled up |
| 08:43.23 | nee|work | But as that one is much easier to get than the one from Naxxramas, has it not replaced it? |
| 08:43.40 | Aens|Superiority | nee|work: thats not the point of this discussion. |
| 08:43.45 | nee|work | oki |
| 08:43.49 | ZealotOnAStick | not in my opinion, no. |
| 08:44.02 | Gagorian | SM/Ruin definately |
| 08:44.04 | ZealotOnAStick | Where's the +35ish dam +15ish hit/crit with stats caster offhand? |
| 08:44.27 | ZealotOnAStick | That's what would be required to truly replace it, IMO. |
| 08:45.01 | Gagorian | There's a few items with a lot of hit |
| 08:45.30 | Aens|Superiority | imo, even though its called T4 and T5, it shouldn't be that much of an upgrade over T3 simply due to the fact that the ilevels on t3 were very high, and a gear reset doesn't mean making all of the old gear obsolete. |
| 08:45.31 | Gagorian | Don't need that much from most stuff |
| 08:46.04 | Gagorian | Well T4 and even T5 is shit for 'locks |
| 08:46.09 | ZealotOnAStick | T5 should be a notable upgrade. The problem is . . . it's not, really. |
| 08:46.12 | Aens|Superiority | or we are really going to see some +100 all stats gear sooner than later. |
| 08:46.20 | ZealotOnAStick | Compare T2 to T3, and the amount of upgrades involved there. |
| 08:46.24 | Codayus | As a priest, I haven't replaced my last 3 peices of T2 yet. The 20 mp5 set bonus makes it competitive to DS3 in some slots. :-/ |
| 08:46.29 | ZealotOnAStick | That's more than there is between T3 to T5. |
| 08:46.51 | Aens|Superiority | ZealotOnAStick: if you look at tier sets in a total vaccuum, sure |
| 08:47.03 | ZealotOnAStick | But the bigger problem, is that I can drink 4 elixirs, 1 flask, a couple of potions, drink some liquor, and eat some food, and have an even bigger gain in power. |
| 08:47.08 | Codayus | And ZG enchants is pretty nice too, comapred to the spellthread. |
| 08:47.09 | Aens|Superiority | there are disparities at the increases between teirs pre-tbc and post tbc. |
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| 08:48.05 | Aens|Superiority | but I'm pretty sure the devs intended for T3 and T4 to be so similar in benefit, otherwise it'd be a big slap in the face to those people who were in naxx. |
| 08:48.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Frankly, I can only hope the small steps between d3, t4, and t5 are wholly intentional |
| 08:49.28 | Gagorian | Well I have only a few pieces left of old gear. Neltharion's Tear and Ring of the Fallen Gods really. TBC upgrades are huge. |
| 08:49.31 | nee|work | I like it how TBC equalized a lot of players |
| 08:49.36 | Aens|Superiority | I prefer having the difference being solely with the amount of consumables you use. You can farm up all your elixir needs in 20 minutes if you know where to look. |
| 08:49.38 | NightHawkTheSane | nee|work: precisely. |
| 08:50.11 | Aens|Superiority | or you can have your 100% attendance for a year straight and not see the piece of gear that makes or breaks your class |
| 08:50.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Aens|Superiority: Yeah, I agree that's a nice thing. The caveat is that you can't have both that, and raid content that doesn't -require- those |
| 08:50.16 | ZealotOnAStick | Maybe for 1 attempt. But you're never guaranteed dropping a specific boss with one attempt, so you need to bring multiples. |
| 08:50.26 | Gagorian | I did about 700 dps in a single target tank and spank match before the post-tbc patch.. Now I do about 1250-1300 dps sustained. |
| 08:50.26 | ZealotOnAStick | And you're in competition with others on the server for the same mats. |
| 08:50.43 | Aens|Superiority | I've had no problems herbing up the stuff I need to raid. |
| 08:51.11 | ZealotOnAStick | That's the problem . . . it's become a requirement, that's not going away in the foreseeable future with the level of gear out there, which it used to. |
| 08:51.22 | winkiller | I want ZG back. no consumables apart from an agi pot and a health pot =P |
| 08:51.22 | Aens|Superiority | 4 stacks of terocone to make 20 major agils, 20 mastery = 1 hour, lasts for 3 weeks. |
| 08:51.44 | ZealotOnAStick | So you're -always- going to have to continue farming. Sorry, but i don't enjoy spending 20 hours herbing for 4 hours of raiding. |
| 08:51.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ZealotOnAStick: I honestly dont think gear scaling should be the solution to consumables though |
| 08:51.52 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm not saying it should. |
| 08:51.59 | ZealotOnAStick | I said earlier, flat out, alchemy needs to be nerfed. |
| 08:52.07 | ZealotOnAStick | There's a number of viable ways to do it. |
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| 08:52.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Ahh, my apologies, i must have missed that :) |
| 08:52.43 | [Ammo] | morning |
| 08:52.44 | Aens|Superiority | you are bad at herbing if it takes you 20 hours to do it for 4 hours of raiding, unless you are farming all the flasks yourself. In which case your guild sucks. |
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| 08:53.14 | sylvanaar | http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=28412 |
| 08:53.25 | ZealotOnAStick | All 25 people at the raid will need to pop heavy consumables for the serious kill attempts. |
| 08:53.34 | sylvanaar | i thought i remembered that one |
| 08:54.05 | Aens|Superiority | dont pop consumables till you know you can kill the boss? you can get to 13 grows with no pots on the tanks |
| 08:54.34 | Aens|Superiority | make it there a couple times with no deaths and gruul will be dead with pots. |
| 08:54.37 | ZealotOnAStick | that's not even quite a sidegrade to the sapphiron item, sylvanaar. |
| 08:55.18 | sylvanaar | http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=25098 |
| 08:55.26 | ZealotOnAStick | as I said, "serious kill attempts" |
| 08:55.39 | sylvanaar | yes it is, its an aupgrade in almost every stat |
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| 08:57.26 | Aens|Superiority | shouldn't have to do serious kill attempts more than a handful of times before its clear if you need more dry run practice. |
| 08:57.33 | ZealotOnAStick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=79224546&postId=789990400&sid=1#0 |
| 08:57.37 | Aens|Superiority | or the boss falls over and dies |
| 08:58.52 | ZealotOnAStick | Blue response saying they admit consumbles are a problem: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=79221587&pageNo=2&sid=1#38 |
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| 08:59.07 | Aens|Superiority | cause community managers = game devs? |
| 08:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Tigole is not strictly a community manager. |
| 09:00.10 | ZealotOnAStick | You're expecting to get ANY sort of response from anyone else? |
| 09:00.20 | Aens|Superiority | no, none at all. |
| 09:00.30 | NightHawkTheSane | He actually IS a game dev, I believe a raid/dungeon designer, possibly the senior one? |
| 09:01.01 | Aens|Superiority | NightHawkTheSane: yes, but in that post, he doesn't say anything binding. |
| 09:01.15 | NightHawkTheSane | no, and no one ever will. they cant |
| 09:01.41 | sylvanaar | you guys know about the error bigwigs gives at longin? |
| 09:01.47 | nee|work | Ofcourse not :) People just need to hear enough to be satisfied for a while, regardless of getting any real info. |
| 09:01.56 | NightHawkTheSane | unless it's already a done deal, no blue poster will ever say anything with any amount of absoluteness |
| 09:02.16 | nee|work | They just want to know that someone is there, listening to them, noticing them tugging at Blizzards' apron. |
| 09:02.21 | ZealotOnAStick | sylvanaar: not recently, unless something -very- recent borked something. |
| 09:02.32 | ZealotOnAStick | Is it about not being able to define a locale twice? |
| 09:02.55 | Aens|Superiority | like, maulgar for isntance, drops purps and besides a few elixirs on the tank, free purps. Gruul is definitely oneshotable once you have your raid set up. |
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| 09:03.48 | ZealotOnAStick | Gruul is far, far harder and the loot he drops isn't really any better. Some of his loot, for example, is WORSE than Prince Malechezaar's, a far easier and less costly fight. |
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| 09:04.13 | Aens|Superiority | he is harder only cause the devs made him harder after we killed him on beta. |
| 09:04.26 | Aens|Superiority | doubled his HP without re-testing it, but the fight is easy. |
| 09:04.41 | Aens|Superiority | its like what if pwerk evade bugged. |
| 09:04.44 | ZealotOnAStick | No, the fight is stupidly random. |
| 09:05.15 | Aens|Superiority | then your strategy is flawed. Only 1 class can kill another to shatter, and that class is rogue |
| 09:05.16 | ZealotOnAStick | And it becomes a DPS race to drop him before he grows too big, REQUIRING consumables to drop him. |
| 09:06.07 | Aens|Superiority | every other class has ample time to hide on the ground stomps |
| 09:06.09 | Aens|Superiority | ground slams |
| 09:06.44 | Aens|Superiority | the fight really is no different than onyxia deep breath v2 with an 'enrage' timer added on. |
| 09:06.53 | ZealotOnAStick | We got our positioning worked out tonight, finally, after we tried all the idiot's suggestions enough to get them to see that they were stupid ones. |
| 09:07.27 | ZealotOnAStick | It'll still -require- consumables that add far, far more DPS and healing abilities to the raid than even if we had all epic-gemmed T5. |
| 09:08.36 | NightHawkTheSane | You know, I think you two are arguing two different things |
| 09:08.52 | Aens|Superiority | idk, we still flasked on maexina even though we hadn't wiped on the boss for half a year. |
| 09:09.08 | nee|work | Habits are hard to break |
| 09:09.17 | nee|work | 'Hello everyone. |
| 09:09.19 | nee|work | woops |
| 09:09.30 | NightHawkTheSane | hi nee|work ! ;) |
| 09:09.34 | nee|work | :) |
| 09:09.53 | Gngsk | Good news everyone! |
| 09:10.06 | nee|work | 'Hello everyone, my name is Bob and I am a creature of habit'. 'Hello and welcome Bob! Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery'. |
| 09:10.17 | nee|work | Gngsk: Huzzah! |
| 09:10.48 | ZealotOnAStick | The only people we ever had flasking on Maexxna, from the first time we killed her (which was the first night we tried) through all 25 kills of her, was the main tank. |
| 09:10.59 | Aens|Superiority | ZealotOnAStick: yes |
| 09:11.19 | ZealotOnAStick | Now, use of wizard/mana oils, elixirs, etc., were done to varying degrees for a while. |
| 09:11.25 | Aens|Superiority | and we got gruul to 10% with 2 early deaths due to a disconnect with only 2 flasks. |
| 09:11.40 | Aens|Superiority | MT and OT |
| 09:11.55 | ZealotOnAStick | Gruul's not the problem, though. |
| 09:11.59 | ZealotOnAStick | Look at Hydross. |
| 09:12.03 | ZealotOnAStick | FIRST boss in SC. |
| 09:12.38 | ZealotOnAStick | large consumable requirements to -barely- beat him, with every indication that every other fight in the zone will be no different. |
| 09:12.38 | Aens|Superiority | cause you know hydross is balanced and has been throughly reviewed by the devs. |
| 09:12.53 | ZealotOnAStick | Even if they tweak him down . . . |
| 09:13.03 | Aens|Superiority | or tweaked at all? |
| 09:13.19 | ZealotOnAStick | Consumables are still too good not to use, they're 2+ tiers of gear improvement (MORE than 2 TBC tiers). |
| 09:13.29 | ZealotOnAStick | THAT is the problem. |
| 09:13.32 | Aens|Superiority | its the penalty for being in the top percentile of progress. You reach content that isn't ready yet when you play WoW at that level. |
| 09:13.41 | nee|work | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dunemaul&n=Naenee yay, Armory works |
| 09:13.59 | ZealotOnAStick | SC shouldn't be that cutting edge at this stage of the expansion. |
| 09:14.28 | Gagorian | And I love how fast trash respawns in SC |
| 09:14.28 | Aens|Superiority | you are right, and they should have balanced all the classes and fixed all the bugs before the expansion went live, but they didn't. |
| 09:14.42 | Aens|Superiority | and they haven't for many other previous instances. c'thun pre-nerf anyone? ragnaros pre-nerf? |
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| 09:14.47 | ZealotOnAStick | The entire long laborious process of keying and attunment and so forth for the raid instances is just a timesink to buy blizzard time (and is an aside from this conversation, it's got nothing to do with consumables being broken). |
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| 09:15.12 | winkiller | lol |
| 09:15.24 | ZealotOnAStick | The clearest indication that consumables are too powerful is the arena. |
| 09:15.25 | winkiller | I guess you'tr trying to make a point |
| 09:15.26 | winkiller | one point |
| 09:15.28 | ZealotOnAStick | They don't allow them there. |
| 09:15.35 | nee|work | ZealotOnAStick: I'm quite glad for it though, as I even think TBC content is moved through too quickly as it is. |
| 09:16.11 | Gagorian | Well.. I disagree, it should get progressively harder |
| 09:16.12 | nee|work | ZealotOnAStick: Hm. I am not sure that they mean that. I think they just want to put classes against eachother, not whatever backing they have by other players. |
| 09:16.32 | Gagorian | First stuff should be rather easy for the high-end guilds so that others can do it too... |
| 09:16.36 | sbu | wtb heroic instance loot section in cartographer :( |
| 09:16.55 | Aens|Superiority | arena with consumables would be pretty lame and very not fun. |
| 09:17.06 | Gagorian | There's still SC, Tempest Keep, Hyjal then Black Temple in 2.1.0 |
| 09:17.09 | ZealotOnAStick | neenee: how is an alchemist/herbalist using their own creations from stuff they've gathered backed by other players? |
| 09:17.10 | nee|work | Gagorian: Hm. Well, I do agree with that too, as I am a casual player |
| 09:17.23 | Aens|Superiority | seeing arcane bombs tossed around and people fully flasked for their 10 games that week. |
| 09:17.23 | nee|work | ZealotOnAStick: Hm. But not everyone is an Alchemist. |
| 09:17.34 | ZealotOnAStick | and how is it NOT from someone using gear made by another leatherworker, smith, or tailor? |
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| 09:17.52 | nee|work | Well, I'm sure I had a good point somehow :) |
| 09:18.03 | ZealotOnAStick | Aens|Superiority: THANK YOU! That's the very point. |
| 09:18.16 | ZealotOnAStick | it would be lame, and not very fun. |
| 09:18.18 | Aens|Superiority | more like its against the spirit of arena, not about the consumables |
| 09:18.18 | nee|work | Perhaps Blizzard wants to spare arena-goers money by not allowing them to spend their expensive items :) |
| 09:18.20 | ZealotOnAStick | And that's where raiding is right now. |
| 09:18.26 | Aens|Superiority | arena is pvp, not pve to pvp |
| 09:18.31 | Aens|Superiority | battlegrounds is pve to pvp |
| 09:18.37 | winkiller | I'd even favor "default equip sets" |
| 09:18.39 | ZealotOnAStick | No. |
| 09:18.46 | winkiller | ONE equal armor without enchants per class |
| 09:19.00 | winkiller | you can choose type of weapons and that's it |
| 09:19.03 | ZealotOnAStick | The sheer reason consumables aren't allowed in there is because blizzard knows how much of a power difference they'd make. |
| 09:19.07 | winkiller | finally skill decides |
| 09:19.08 | Aens|Superiority | winkiller: that'd be terrible if only for one reason, there's many ways to play each class. |
| 09:19.20 | winkiller | but oh noes, itwould be fair like quake |
| 09:19.24 | Aens|Superiority | ZealotOnAStick: no, its bringing an element other than pvp into a pvp situation |
| 09:19.49 | winkiller | Aens|Superiority: how about an alternate mode? I don't say it's the best bet - but I'd love to have a fair environment |
| 09:19.53 | winkiller | like fps |
| 09:20.02 | Aens|Superiority | winkiller: taking an example of say... a rogue. Some rogues prefer to stack sta in arena, others go all out glass cannon. |
| 09:20.16 | ZealotOnAStick | an element other than PvP? Like gear? |
| 09:20.46 | Aens|Superiority | ZealotOnAStick: standardized gear is a nightmare in game logistics |
| 09:21.00 | Aens|Superiority | I'd be all for being able to pick from a variety of pre-set armor sets |
| 09:21.08 | Aens|Superiority | if they were itemized properly |
| 09:21.54 | Aens|Superiority | it'd make arena even more focused on the player than the time spent. |
| 09:21.59 | winkiller | Aens|Superiority: that's just about what I said - I'm no ass about "1" set |
| 09:22.10 | ZealotOnAStick | If you still don't see that consumables are broken by being too powerful, and doubly so by being a requirement for current endgame raiding with gear progression being much smaller than it used to be, then I give up. |
| 09:22.32 | winkiller | and.. you also decide boundaries with your class alone |
| 09:22.37 | winkiller | weapon choices, etc |
| 09:22.49 | winkiller | why not limit the equip? |
| 09:22.51 | Aens|Superiority | consumables keep the game economy going and prevent people from halfassing content. It promotes a healthy game atmosphere. |
| 09:23.22 | Aens|Superiority | winkiller: it'd be really really hard to do that ;p |
| 09:23.26 | NightHawkTheSane | it's only "halfassing" because the consumables DO exist, and ARE usuable |
| 09:23.33 | winkiller | why? |
| 09:23.42 | PHL-Chuck | ah, think I figured out my loot hic'ing .. if I had skinner activated on auto bar when I'd loot something I'd get little studders, with it off works fine |
| 09:23.48 | winkiller | if it's not balanced, it's equally unfait |
| 09:23.50 | NightHawkTheSane | if consumable requirements in raid zones were the same as in arenas, it wouldn't be "halfassing" it to walk in with no consumables |
| 09:23.52 | winkiller | all I ask :) |
| 09:24.35 | Aens|Superiority | winkiller: since the game is equipment driven, unlike say, UO, removing equipment from the equation is like removing oil from water. |
| 09:24.48 | ZealotOnAStick | It's NOT promoting a healthy game atmosphere, it's causing a horrible, unhealthy game atmosphere for endgame raiding that if not fixed, will slowly but continually driver raiders away to either another game, or to the arenas. |
| 09:25.07 | Aens|Superiority | it'll drive casuals away from raiding |
| 09:25.16 | ZealotOnAStick | No. |
| 09:25.26 | winkiller | Aens|Superiority: it is not strictly equipment driven. otherwise there'd been epics=win in BGs |
| 09:25.38 | Aens|Superiority | winkiller: but it was like that in the BGs pre-tbc |
| 09:25.40 | ZealotOnAStick | It'll drive away anyone who doesn't enjoy an 80% farming/20% raiding schedule, with the play time to support that. |
| 09:26.12 | Aens|Superiority | winkiller: some pve guild in all T3 had a huge advantage over pvp geared players (before the new honor rewards) |
| 09:26.14 | winkiller | Aens|Superiority: depends on the team. gear made a diff. but a near-perfect team crushed every epic-not-so-good tea |
| 09:26.18 | ZealotOnAStick | Aens|Superiority: not entirely. The best PvPers on Blackhand are in a guild called Panic, and most of them didn't have anything more than PvP blues. |
| 09:26.23 | winkiller | advantage != win |
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| 09:26.50 | Aens|Superiority | winkiller: thats player skill, but would you not agree that a mage in frostfire had a huge advantage over a mage in pvp gear or tier .5? |
| 09:26.54 | winkiller | we had AB on farm in pvp blues against all-t2 team |
| 09:26.59 | ZealotOnAStick | because they were all damn good, knew their classes, knew each other, and most importantly, communicated well. |
| 09:27.14 | winkiller | Aens|Superiority: I differentiate between "advanatage" and "gear-driven" |
| 09:27.20 | PHL-Chuck | I need more purple cause I suck at pvp and I wanna win |
| 09:27.31 | winkiller | ofc gear akes a difference, but nor necessarily the cvut |
| 09:27.37 | ZealotOnAStick | You'll always suck, you'll just be a noob in purples. |
| 09:27.40 | ZealotOnAStick | Which there are a lot of. |
| 09:27.47 | PHL-Chuck | lol thanks for the inspiration |
| 09:27.53 | Aens|Superiority | yes, that is player skill, but are you honestly going to say that a might of menethil vs a GM hammer is totally equal footing? |
| 09:27.57 | NightHawkTheSane | <Greens with GM Shoulders> anyone? ;) |
| 09:27.59 | PHL-Chuck | I dont suck btw, other people are just better |
| 09:28.31 | ZealotOnAStick | didn't mean you spefically, hope you know that, was just responding to the concept. |
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| 09:28.42 | PHL-Chuck | hey I know, I'm just kidding |
| 09:28.42 | ZealotOnAStick | err . . . |
| 09:28.49 | mitch0 | erm, is there a questline that take me to CoT, or should I just "make a visit" on my own? |
| 09:28.51 | ZealotOnAStick | s/spefically/specifically/ |
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| 09:28.58 | CIA-18 | Fudge: |
| 09:28.59 | CIA-18 | - Some minor cleanups. |
| 09:29.02 | ZealotOnAStick | I did that wrong again, didn't I? |
| 09:29.04 | NightHawkTheSane | mitch0: there's nothing outside CoT that leads there |
| 09:29.05 | Aens|Superiority | mitch0: no quest line. Go at L66 |
| 09:29.06 | ZealotOnAStick | or is purl just slow? |
| 09:29.13 | nee|work | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28442 :) |
| 09:29.15 | mitch0 | that's lame... |
| 09:29.20 | Aens|Superiority | you can't get in otherwise. |
| 09:29.22 | CIA-18 | 03fleetfoot * r29633 10Nudge/Nudge.lua: |
| 09:29.22 | CIA-18 | Nudge: |
| 09:29.22 | CIA-18 | - Added option to remove text from button. |
| 09:29.25 | mitch0 | how would (my char) know of it? :) |
| 09:29.33 | Aens|Superiority | it wouldn't |
| 09:29.42 | mitch0 | alrighty, thanks |
| 09:29.44 | winkiller | I hate that I don't have BS on my rogue |
| 09:29.46 | Aens|Superiority | another piece of lore that blizz was too lazy to add in |
| 09:29.50 | winkiller | these new recipes are soo nice |
| 09:29.54 | ZealotOnAStick | Uhm. |
| 09:29.58 | PHL-Chuck | anyone having a problem with skinner not skinning the vendor window? |
| 09:30.07 | ZealotOnAStick | I think you'd get sent to it eventually during the Karazhan key quest. |
| 09:30.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ZealotOnAStick: ahh, true. |
| 09:30.23 | mitch0 | ah |
| 09:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | COurse, tat's not until 70, at which point anything in Durnholde isnt an upgrade. |
| 09:30.49 | mitch0 | ok then... although I'm already 69, and I'm still on the nagrand quests, got like 20 to finish there, too... |
| 09:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | that's* |
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| 09:31.15 | mitch0 | always playing with rested xp makes for some funny progression... |
| 09:31.15 | PHL-Chuck | questing in TBC rocks, I really enjoyed it.. thats why I'm leveling another char to 60 so I can do it again lol |
| 09:31.17 | winkiller | that's strange mitch0,did you do BEM |
| 09:31.30 | nee|work | PHL-Chuck: :) |
| 09:31.31 | mitch0 | BEM? |
| 09:31.37 | winkiller | Blade's Edge |
| 09:31.38 | Aens|Superiority | blades edge |
| 09:31.40 | mitch0 | no |
| 09:31.46 | PHL-Chuck | the troll in the ground.. rocks |
| 09:31.51 | mitch0 | hellfire -> zangra -> terokkar -> nagrand |
| 09:31.59 | mitch0 | no farming either, just questing |
| 09:32.01 | Arrowmaster | lol 37549 tranquillien rep gained in a single session now... and exalted! |
| 09:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | lots of instancing/rest xp, mitch0 ? |
| 09:32.23 | mitch0 | not much instancing, just always rested |
| 09:32.32 | winkiller | 60-63 Hellfire, 63-65 Terokkar, 65-68 Nagrand, 68-70 Netherstorm on my rogue |
| 09:32.42 | NightHawkTheSane | mitch0: good deal |
| 09:32.46 | winkiller | , druid hit 66 still in Terokkar |
| 09:33.10 | mitch0 | done all the instances once up till shettek halls (except teh crypts), done mana tombs 2-3 times (and still one more to go, we failed the escort quest) |
| 09:33.19 | winkiller | Arrowmaster: how that`d? |
| 09:33.27 | NightHawkTheSane | god that escort was a pita. |
| 09:33.36 | trh | winkiller: you skipped zanga? |
| 09:33.44 | PHL-Chuck | good idea, zanga sucks |
| 09:33.52 | winkiller | trh: noo. just forgot it |
| 09:33.56 | PHL-Chuck | spend so much time finding stuff |
| 09:33.58 | winkiller | 62-64 zangar |
| 09:34.00 | winkiller | ok |
| 09:34.02 | winkiller | :) sorry |
| 09:34.19 | PHL-Chuck | you dont need it :-) I did terokkar instead |
| 09:34.20 | trh | winkiller: i was curious because i only got to 62.5 in hellfire and i did nearly every quest ;) |
| 09:34.33 | nee|work | I did every quest and only moved to a new camp or area when there was a quest for it. |
| 09:34.39 | mitch0 | actually, I had 2 kinds of groups: the one failed on the final boss, but wouldn't have probs with the escort (if we would've cleared the insta first :) the other had no probs on the final boss but failed on the escort... :( |
| 09:35.06 | PHL-Chuck | there was one quest I missed on my rogue tho, the one where you get the booze to bribe the chick out and turn her into a rat and the cat chases her |
| 09:35.14 | PHL-Chuck | did it with my priest but somehow missed it |
| 09:35.24 | trh | PHL-Chuck: that one is nice :) |
| 09:35.28 | NightHawkTheSane | that quest was great ) |
| 09:35.30 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 09:35.34 | mitch0 | is that a horde only quest? |
| 09:35.39 | mitch0 | sounds fun :) |
| 09:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | as was the one from the troll head in BEM |
| 09:35.41 | PHL-Chuck | falcon watch |
| 09:35.41 | NightHawkTheSane | mitch0: yeah |
| 09:35.45 | trh | i loved the one with the felhound where you had to seek through his poop... it was funny :) |
| 09:36.05 | NightHawkTheSane | trh: yeah,what's with all the poop diving quests in TBC >< |
| 09:36.06 | trh | although i think someone at blizzard has a fetish for poop |
| 09:36.20 | trh | NightHawkTheSane: fetish of a blizzard workdrone ;) |
| 09:36.26 | NightHawkTheSane | clearly/ |
| 09:36.29 | PHL-Chuck | yeah the one in zangar they call it something else... undigested something |
| 09:36.35 | PHL-Chuck | clearly, its poop |
| 09:36.37 | trh | in nagrand |
| 09:36.40 | Loki|muh | lol |
| 09:36.47 | PHL-Chuck | from the elementals |
| 09:36.57 | ZealotOnAStick | Didn't you ever do the one in Azshara where you had to follow the giants around collecting their poop? |
| 09:36.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, there's the fel hunter one, the boglord one, and the "nagrand cherry" one |
| 09:37.11 | trh | the boglord one i missed |
| 09:37.14 | PHL-Chuck | lol no |
| 09:37.20 | NightHawkTheSane | the latter being the single best quest ever, because you dig through poop, then get a reward that you eat |
| 09:37.42 | PHL-Chuck | yeah stink cherries that make you hold your breath for 30 minutes |
| 09:37.48 | trh | ya.. although i wish they'd made it repeatable to get those nice cherrys |
| 09:37.50 | ZealotOnAStick | *sigh* |
| 09:38.08 | ZealotOnAStick | Druid in the guild just got A'dal killed again. |
| 09:38.09 | PHL-Chuck | undead don't need to stinky cherries :/ |
| 09:38.22 | trh | <- orc... they really do |
| 09:38.32 | winkiller | ZealotOnAStick: how? |
| 09:38.37 | Loki|muh | engineers warlocks druids shamas don't need them, too ;) |
| 09:38.41 | ZealotOnAStick | He keeps that shit up, he's going to get another ban. |
| 09:38.45 | PHL-Chuck | yeah I rolled an orc warlock for some reason.. I guess cause my 2 70's are already undead |
| 09:38.46 | ZealotOnAStick | Trained mobs in. |
| 09:39.03 | trh | PHL-Chuck: warlocks dont need that cherry anyway =) |
| 09:39.08 | ZealotOnAStick | A'dal has like 500 hps, drops fast. |
| 09:39.31 | ZealotOnAStick | He was training demons from the dark portal to Thrallmar the other day. |
| 09:39.46 | ZealotOnAStick | I told him I wasn't impressed, that I would be if he got the Pit Commander there. |
| 09:40.42 | trh | ya.. training mobs is nothing new since kazzak owned stormwind |
| 09:40.58 | winkiller | would be an achievement nowadays |
| 09:41.05 | winkiller | get hi through the portal and such :) |
| 09:41.14 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, thrall owning thunderaan was a bit more impressive, i thought |
| 09:41.36 | nee|work | Teremus the Devourer to Stormwind is good |
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| 09:42.19 | trh | nee|work: those dragons that guard the world boss in ashenvale were nearly trained every month at least once to orgri |
| 09:43.13 | nee|work | trh: nice :) |
| 09:45.31 | Arrowmaster | every month? |
| 09:45.43 | trh | Arrowmaster: ya.. pretty often |
| 09:45.52 | Arrowmaster | theres an asshat hunter on our server that does that every other day |
| 09:46.13 | trh | Arrowmaster: hehe.. report him |
| 09:46.25 | trh | he'll get a warning and if he doesnt stop ban |
| 09:46.29 | mitch0 | hm. seems like slashdot fell off teh internet |
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| 09:47.32 | dafire | hi all |
| 09:47.43 | trh | slashdot probably got slashdotted ;) |
| 09:47.53 | Arrowmaster | working fine for me |
| 09:47.55 | mitch0 | trh: it's address is missing from our NS somehow |
| 09:48.04 | mitch0 | could someone provide an IP then? :) |
| 09:48.08 | trh | mitch0: wait |
| 09:48.19 | nee|work | Hi dafire |
| 09:48.24 | trh | 66.35.250.151 |
| 09:48.26 | mitch0 | thanks |
| 09:48.57 | mitch0 | btw, any fubar devs around? |
| 09:49.02 | dafire | hmm... can i get the health percentage of a unit under my cursor ? .9 |
| 09:49.45 | mitch0 | dafire: guess you can check in in ON_UPDATE_MOUSEOVER or whatsitsname |
| 09:49.55 | mitch0 | dafire: I do range-checking there |
| 09:50.11 | NightHawkTheSane | dafire: UnitHealth("mouseover")? |
| 09:50.12 | dafire | yeah.. but how do i get the health value |
| 09:51.13 | dafire | is mouseover a valid unitid ? |
| 09:51.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 09:51.29 | dafire | ah ok .. thanks |
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| 09:54.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh, i forgot how good sg:a was |
| 09:54.46 | NightHawkTheSane | is |
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| 10:07.11 | CIA-18 | 03Tristan * r29634 10RaidHelper/RaidHelper.toc: |
| 10:07.11 | CIA-18 | RaidHelper: |
| 10:07.11 | CIA-18 | - Trying to correct the .toc data for wiki page |
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| 10:11.23 | jjb_ | good morning internet |
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| 10:13.17 | nee|work | morning |
| 10:13.42 | Tovort | good morning |
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| 10:22.02 | nahkiss | hmm, is bartender3 profile changing working? |
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| 10:23.08 | nee|work | Are you having problems with it? |
| 10:23.27 | nahkiss | I got 2 characters, both on diffrent realm and I've set both of theirs profile to other and type diffrent name for each and they still use the same profile |
| 10:23.39 | nee|work | Then it seems it's not working. |
| 10:24.00 | nee|work | :P |
| 10:24.09 | nahkiss | rocket science :P |
| 10:24.17 | nahkiss | was just wondering that if it's supposed to work |
| 10:24.43 | nee|work | I think it is supposed to work, as it has a menu option for it :) |
| 10:25.32 | Cartas | Profiling = Yucky :( |
| 10:25.50 | nee|work | Cartas: How would you setup different layouts for different characters? |
| 10:26.06 | Cartas | I wouldn't, as I've always had problems with it. |
| 10:26.22 | nee|work | ok |
| 10:26.24 | Cartas | Or, I just copy the SavedVariables in the WTF manually. |
| 10:26.37 | Cartas | That's how I mostly do it. |
| 10:27.04 | nahkiss | ah crap, okay the profiling works >.< the profile menu was just so badly designed |
| 10:27.28 | nee|work | Ah. |
| 10:27.34 | nahkiss | I had to choose the per character from choose menu and then type profline name on the 'other' menu |
| 10:27.55 | nahkiss | instead of having 'choose' set on defaul and trying to type something on 'other' :P |
| 10:28.54 | nevcairiel | If you choose char, you wouldnt have to typen anything on other. |
| 10:29.02 | nevcairiel | -n |
| 10:29.49 | nahkiss | well I still decided to do so since the 'other' isn't working if default profile is set |
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| 10:38.39 | CIA-18 | 03grayson * r29635 10FuBar_MonkeyQuestFu/ (7 files): |
| 10:38.39 | CIA-18 | FuBar_MonkeyQuestFu: initial commit |
| 10:38.39 | CIA-18 | - v1.1.1 added to SVN |
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| 10:52.10 | xyu | what time is it PST? :D |
| 10:52.22 | PHL-Chuck | time to patch |
| 10:52.25 | PHL-Chuck | 6am |
| 10:52.26 | xyu | i know :( |
| 10:52.28 | xyu | so 1 hour? |
| 10:52.32 | PHL-Chuck | now |
| 10:52.39 | xyu | bah |
| 10:54.12 | xyu | guess i'll use this time to figure out why i can't get topscoresfu to filter monsters. i just want dmg vs players. if i filter monsters it only shows heals. no damage. |
| 10:54.15 | xyu | Anyone know if this is intended?' |
| 10:55.26 | Gagorian | 2.0.10 coming this week? |
| 10:56.55 | nee|work | Gagorian: nope |
| 10:57.17 | nee|work | at least, Europe did not have a patch today |
| 10:59.08 | nymbia | i thought eu patchday was wednesdays? |
| 10:59.14 | xyu | does eu patch same day? |
| 10:59.16 | Gagorian | yeah it'll come today if it will |
| 11:00.40 | evl | when people talk about damage range they mean (min damage + max damage) / 2 right? |
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| 11:03.29 | Gagorian | that would be average damage |
| 11:03.36 | Gagorian | damage range would be mindamage - maxdamage |
| 11:03.43 | Gagorian | :c |
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| 11:14.45 | CIA-18 | 03grayson * r29636 10FuBar_MonkeyQuestFu/ (. readme.txt): |
| 11:14.45 | CIA-18 | FuBar_MonkeyQuestFu: |
| 11:14.45 | CIA-18 | - added readme.txt |
| 11:15.28 | Hjalte | pastamancer: Hey, is there any other way to find out if I have a renew on a person with Grid, than using GridStatusHots (.. which gives me errors)? |
| 11:15.33 | nee|work | There's no patch for EU |
| 11:15.56 | nee|work | It would have patched this morning for me if there was. |
| 11:16.29 | Hjalte | nee|work: It's only tuesday. Maintanence is tonight. |
| 11:16.36 | nymbia | nee|work: i was under the impression that eu patches were applied wednesday? |
| 11:16.46 | nee|work | Oh woops |
| 11:16.49 | nee|work | I thought it was wednesday |
| 11:16.57 | nee|work | :) |
| 11:16.59 | nee|work | Never mind me |
| 11:17.04 | echos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:17.14 | Hjalte | We are having extended maintanence, but they havent said anything about the patch. |
| 11:17.28 | echos | well is test realm still up? |
| 11:17.31 | xyu | i didn't see anything about an extended maintanence |
| 11:17.55 | nee|work | Indeed. There was an extended maintenance notice, but nothing about a patch. Then again, patches aren't always mentioned |
| 11:18.53 | nevcairiel | yeah EU has an announced extended maint .. good chance for the patch. |
| 11:19.02 | nevcairiel | but guess we will know when US gets up again. |
| 11:19.52 | Hjalte | Did US have ext maintenance? |
| 11:20.06 | echos | yes |
| 11:20.15 | echos | servers went down 2 hrs early |
| 11:20.20 | sylvanaar | patch |
| 11:20.33 | xyu | not on my screen. it said 3PST - 11PST . which is quite normal i believe. |
| 11:20.47 | sylvanaar | its a patch |
| 11:20.55 | xyu | are there patch notes ? |
| 11:20.58 | sylvanaar | 2.0.10 |
| 11:20.58 | nymbia | normally they go down at 5 PST |
| 11:21.05 | echos | yeah maintence is usally 5-11 |
| 11:21.16 | xyu | ah you're right now that i think about it. |
| 11:21.17 | sylvanaar | im dowloading it now |
| 11:21.22 | nymbia | yeah i'm downloading it right now, it's up |
| 11:21.33 | nevcairiel | good to know. |
| 11:21.37 | nee|work | huzzah |
| 11:21.52 | xyu | is this the patch that forbearance decreases all damage by 15% ? |
| 11:21.54 | nevcairiel | and good to know that we got enought arena rating this week for getting the first weapons :) |
| 11:22.07 | nymbia | xyu: they took that out |
| 11:22.18 | xyu | oh oki |
| 11:22.27 | sylvanaar | the final notes were on curse earlier |
| 11:22.55 | nymbia | nevcairiel: curse you!! i woulda had the points if it'd given 'em to me before the servers went down :( |
| 11:22.57 | nevcairiel | if you are downloading it now .. feel free to pastey the final notes :P |
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| 11:23.13 | echos | will do |
| 11:23.19 | nevcairiel | nymbia: for the "old" weapon prices eh? |
| 11:23.30 | nymbia | nevcairiel: yeah |
| 11:23.32 | xyu | weapon prices are going up? |
| 11:23.35 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 11:23.38 | xyu | how much? |
| 11:23.40 | nevcairiel | mh weapons +800 or so |
| 11:23.44 | xyu | they were 3700 something right? |
| 11:23.45 | xyu | ok |
| 11:23.45 | nevcairiel | oh weapons -800 |
| 11:23.49 | sylvanaar | http://ace.pastey.net/7770 |
| 11:23.51 | nevcairiel | nah only the 1h change |
| 11:23.54 | nevcairiel | 2h stay the same |
| 11:24.05 | nymbia | i'm gonna skip the dagger and get the staff i think |
| 11:24.29 | nevcairiel | i am going for the set right now |
| 11:24.49 | nymbia | its only a 600 point difference now |
| 11:25.12 | nevcairiel | but a rogue friend of mine is getting the dagger tomorrow, which is claimed to be the best dagger in the game right now, not counting possible raid drops from serpentshire or tk :P |
| 11:25.34 | nee|work | The effectiveness of "Fade:Rank 7" has been increased by |
| 11:25.34 | nee|work | 95 approximately 25%. |
| 11:25.36 | nee|work | yay |
| 11:25.50 | PHL-Chuck | oh cool PoM is 10 sec CD now |
| 11:25.57 | PHL-Chuck | thought it was gonna be 20 |
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| 11:26.00 | nee|work | :) |
| 11:26.10 | PHL-Chuck | thats not too bad I guess |
| 11:26.15 | nevcairiel | yeah they adjusted it on PTR again |
| 11:26.27 | PHL-Chuck | higher or lower |
| 11:26.44 | PHL-Chuck | < was reading that patch note thing |
| 11:26.50 | CIA-18 | 03kagaro * r29637 10Cartographer_Mining/addon.lua: Cartographer_Mining: added some db conversion checks |
| 11:27.36 | FISKER_Q | adjusted what? |
| 11:28.45 | FISKER_Q | anyone got a us realm and character name? |
| 11:28.45 | nevcairiel | i love the changes to arcatraz, slower respawn ftw |
| 11:28.55 | FISKER_Q | Too lazy to go look it up on armory :P |
| 11:30.07 | sylvanaar | z test server is up still |
| 11:30.10 | CIA-18 | 03kagaro * r29638 10Cartographer_Noteshare/Cartographer_Noteshare.lua: Cartographer_Noteshare: typo fix for trainerfu support |
| 11:30.16 | nee|work | oh. I was hoping this was 2.1.0 : |
| 11:30.26 | abbat_w | guys |
| 11:30.33 | abbat_w | anyone play by rogue? |
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| 11:31.30 | Gngsk | I play rog |
| 11:32.05 | abbat_w | can you tell me about fleet footed talent |
| 11:32.14 | Gngsk | never used it |
| 11:32.20 | abbat_w | ah ;( |
| 11:32.24 | Gngsk | it's a pvp talent |
| 11:32.27 | Gngsk | I don't really pvp much |
| 11:32.38 | abbat_w | ergh... my question is about pvp ;) |
| 11:33.00 | Gngsk | plus, I'm a gnome so escape artist ftw :P |
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| 11:34.16 | nee|work | abbat_w: What is your question? I am not a rogue, but I think it's always better to just ask. |
| 11:34.20 | Punkie` | what do you want to know about it? @{ |
| 11:34.24 | Punkie` | :P even! |
| 11:34.27 | abbat_w | Ok |
| 11:34.55 | abbat_w | I play by mage and sometimes rogues resist my nova / frostbite |
| 11:35.04 | Punkie` | so |
| 11:35.11 | abbat_w | Are my hit rating affect this talent? |
| 11:35.16 | evl | no |
| 11:35.23 | evl | it's a talent |
| 11:35.45 | evl | Fleet Footed: 2 Increases your chance to resist movement impairing effects by 10% and increases your movement speed by 8%. This does not stack with other movement speed increasing effects. |
| 11:35.57 | Punkie` | put it this way: |
| 11:35.58 | abbat_w | But rogue can have about 25% chance to resist nova effect for example |
| 11:36.10 | abbat_w | And no way to reduce this 25%? |
| 11:36.15 | evl | nope |
| 11:36.17 | nee|work | Yup, the freeze effect, but not the damage, at least not with Fleet Footed |
| 11:36.43 | Punkie` | nee|work - that isnt the way the game mechanics work |
| 11:36.50 | nee|work | Punkie`: It isn't? |
| 11:36.53 | Punkie` | nope |
| 11:37.09 | nee|work | Punkie`: You resist both the damage and the movement impairing effect or neither? |
| 11:37.14 | Punkie` | yes |
| 11:37.17 | Gngsk | it's binary |
| 11:37.18 | abbat_w | Damn. Looks like fire resist w/o penetration ;) |
| 11:37.19 | Punkie` | not on bosses though |
| 11:37.20 | nee|work | Hm. I thought they were separate |
| 11:37.20 | Gngsk | so all or nothing |
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| 11:37.37 | nee|work | abbat_w: Where does the 25% come from? |
| 11:37.43 | evl | penetration isn't the same as hit afaik |
| 11:37.44 | abbat_w | talents, enchants |
| 11:37.54 | nee|work | ah. |
| 11:37.55 | dafire | is there a event fired if you change your focus target ? |
| 11:37.57 | Gngsk | metagems too |
| 11:37.58 | Punkie` | penetration decreases spell resistance |
| 11:38.10 | Punkie` | hit decreases resist rate |
| 11:38.10 | abbat_w | evl, sure. penetration affect 'resist based' resists |
| 11:38.19 | evl | It can only be 15% afaik |
| 11:38.27 | evl | 10% from fleet footed + 5% meta gem |
| 11:38.28 | abbat_w | +5% by enchant |
| 11:38.33 | abbat_w | +5% meta gem |
| 11:38.46 | evl | where's the last 5? :) |
| 11:38.49 | abbat_w | 20% |
| 11:38.57 | winkiller | rogues are too weak atm imo |
| 11:39.11 | Punkie` | I dont find that winkiller :) |
| 11:39.16 | evl | Me neither |
| 11:39.18 | dafire | poor rogues |
| 11:39.19 | evl | I eat casters for breakfast |
| 11:39.20 | eXemplar | CloS = OP |
| 11:39.22 | abbat_w | evl then i was wrong as saying '25%' ;) |
| 11:39.25 | abbat_w | pff ;) |
| 11:39.27 | evl | and then i kite warriors for lunch |
| 11:39.35 | abbat_w | i eat rogues for breakfast ;) |
| 11:39.39 | winkiller | my druid seems to easily pocket my rogue, though only 66 |
| 11:39.52 | evl | mages aren't that hard |
| 11:39.54 | winkiller | better dps, survivability, can offtanbk and heal |
| 11:39.56 | evl | burst ftw |
| 11:39.56 | abbat_w | ;) |
| 11:39.59 | abbat_w | evl maybe |
| 11:40.03 | abbat_w | but i have ice block |
| 11:40.08 | Punkie` | well, last night in karazhan our warlock was shocked to see that over 2 bosses the bear did 1mill points of damage while tanking :D |
| 11:40.55 | evl | 3k ambush, 5cp cb evisc = 6.5k + white damage |
| 11:40.55 | abbat_w | and as a tailor i use nets |
| 11:40.55 | winkiller | I am combat atm |
| 11:40.55 | Punkie` | abbat_w: frost mages = no match for gnome rogues :) |
| 11:40.56 | evl | abbat_w: gnome :) |
| 11:40.56 | winkiller | maybe assass is the way to go again at 70 |
| 11:40.56 | abbat_w | doesn't matter |
| 11:40.56 | Gngsk | druids get the nerf stick today |
| 11:40.56 | abbat_w | i'm not ice lance spammer ;) |
| 11:40.56 | abbat_w | nova is just for break distance |
| 11:41.02 | evl | i just use deadly throw silence when they nova |
| 11:41.04 | winkiller | or combat sucks for me.. a 21/0/40 rogue made more dps than me qith 13/41/7 |
| 11:41.14 | Punkie` | evl: yeah, gloves are insane :) |
| 11:41.16 | abbat_w | evl deadl throw don't silence |
| 11:41.22 | evl | abbat_w: oh no? |
| 11:41.23 | Gngsk | interrupt with gloves |
| 11:41.28 | abbat_w | deadly throw can counterspell |
| 11:41.33 | abbat_w | but not silence |
| 11:41.39 | Punkie` | abbat_w it has airtime |
| 11:41.45 | abbat_w | sure |
| 11:41.54 | Punkie` | so usually if you throw it when nova'd you can interrupt without a problem |
| 11:42.02 | Punkie` | as they dont even need to be casting at the time of a throw |
| 11:42.11 | evl | It's purely situational |
| 11:42.20 | evl | mages eat dust in >1 situation |
| 11:42.29 | abbat_w | With my elemental build i have +50% crit on frozen target |
| 11:42.29 | evl | but are superior in 1v1v |
| 11:42.40 | abbat_w | Usually i use fireblast after nova |
| 11:42.55 | abbat_w | It's about 75% chance to crit |
| 11:43.30 | abbat_w | But anyway, to sad what spellhit don't used for fleet footed ;) |
| 11:44.13 | Punkie` | abbat_w i think the effect from the talent takes effect after the check to see if a spell is going to hit or not |
| 11:44.23 | evl | haha, our resident R14 mage is gonna sell his account when the nova nerf comes :D |
| 11:44.34 | Punkie` | haha /pat |
| 11:44.38 | abbat_w | elv why? they like to spam ice lance? |
| 11:44.44 | abbat_w | evl, sorry |
| 11:44.48 | evl | probably, dunno |
| 11:44.55 | abbat_w | Punkie, yes. Looks like you right |
| 11:45.29 | abbat_w | Punkie, but if after spell land then penetration must work ;) |
| 11:45.29 | PHL-Chuck | wow you can look anyone up by name on this armory thing.. even your enemies lol |
| 11:45.51 | dafire | who cares ;) |
| 11:45.56 | Gngsk | so what exactly is the FN nerf? breaks on any damage? |
| 11:46.03 | abbat_w | not any |
| 11:46.03 | Punkie` | breaks on crit |
| 11:46.08 | abbat_w | any crit |
| 11:46.13 | Gigaknight | OH WTF LAME |
| 11:46.16 | Gigaknight | arGHhh |
| 11:46.22 | abbat_w | so, no more nova + skill lance spam ;) |
| 11:46.24 | dafire | patch notes dont say any but the chance was raised |
| 11:46.39 | abbat_w | Tserik say what nova breaks after crit |
| 11:46.43 | abbat_w | Always breaks |
| 11:46.48 | Stephmw | dafire: except PTR testing showed it breaks on any |
| 11:46.51 | Stephmw | ah well |
| 11:47.02 | abbat_w | I don't sure dev realise this because molten armor can crit also ;) |
| 11:47.37 | nevcairiel | so it opens again |
| 11:47.38 | dafire | blue post today says raised.. but maybe it's raised to 99% ;) |
| 11:47.39 | nevcairiel | too bad :P |
| 11:47.46 | abbat_w | =))))) |
| 11:47.50 | Stephmw | aye... I've gotten plenty of ignites off molten armor |
| 11:47.59 | abbat_w | yep ;) |
| 11:48.03 | abbat_w | same for me |
| 11:48.06 | Stephmw | damn nuisance with sheep |
| 11:48.13 | Gigaknight | yet another reason not to play my mage :( |
| 11:48.13 | abbat_w | maybe ignite now is useless for pvp |
| 11:48.33 | nevcairiel | ignite off molten armor is teh suck in pvp |
| 11:48.40 | nevcairiel | in arenas anyway |
| 11:48.52 | nevcairiel | try sheeping a guy, he hits you, and pooof a dot |
| 11:48.53 | nevcairiel | fun |
| 11:49.01 | abbat_w | I use ice armor in pvp. Don't like 3k+ rogues crits ;) |
| 11:49.20 | Gigaknight | ice armour is good when you're frost |
| 11:49.23 | Stephmw | yeah, it's more in PVE I find MA+ignite causes a nuisance |
| 11:49.31 | abbat_w | I'm fire/frost |
| 11:49.32 | Gigaknight | i love the extra crit from MA |
| 11:49.33 | Stephmw | the underbog was a nightmare on sunday |
| 11:49.41 | dafire | i was in an 5vs5 arena yesterday against 3 mages and 2 druids... |
| 11:49.55 | Stephmw | dafire: quick fight then? |
| 11:50.08 | dafire | for me yes.. i was their first target ;) |
| 11:50.16 | abbat_w | Ahah, 2 druids use cyclone, 3 mages ap+pom+trinket+pyro ;) |
| 11:50.22 | dafire | 3x 4k frostbolt crits |
| 11:50.23 | abbat_w | something like this? |
| 11:50.41 | CIA-18 | 03nickenyfiken 07Nickenyfiken * r29639 10FuBar_TrainerFu/ (7 files): |
| 11:50.41 | CIA-18 | FuBar_TrainerFu (branch): |
| 11:50.41 | CIA-18 | * Rewritten and restructured a lot of code |
| 11:50.41 | CIA-18 | * Trainer/skills is now saved per account instead of character, which means the information is available to all characters as soon as any character have visit a Trainer. |
| 11:50.42 | CIA-18 | * Added scanning of known Spells in Spell book and Crafting/Tradeskill frames to use for filtering what spells/skills a character know already. Still failing to filter some skills. |
| 11:50.42 | abbat_w | ahah ;) |
| 11:50.46 | dafire | 2 sheeps |
| 11:50.46 | CIA-18 | * Changes to config menu and tooltip. Still many things left to do here. |
| 11:50.48 | CIA-18 | * Spell/Skill info tooltip not working yet. |
| 11:51.39 | dafire | so 2.0.10 is coming ? just saw 05/03/07 Weekly Maintenance - extended |
| 11:51.59 | abbat_w | at us? |
| 11:52.06 | dafire | eu |
| 11:52.09 | nevcairiel | US has the patch already |
| 11:52.12 | nevcairiel | so yeah its coming |
| 11:52.23 | abbat_w | ah, then eu come too |
| 11:52.26 | paranoidi | "Boss creatures have received additional tuning and polish." .. anyone else thinking cathod lights and leds? |
| 11:52.31 | PHL-Chuck | eww downloading patch |
| 11:52.46 | PHL-Chuck | 2.75mb but alot of changes |
| 11:52.47 | Punkie` | shrug, im just waiting for the engineering changes :( |
| 11:53.03 | abbat_w | =) |
| 11:53.11 | abbat_w | new icon for adamantite grenade |
| 11:53.19 | dafire | great! |
| 11:53.27 | Punkie` | I have a problem atm though, engineering needs stilts |
| 11:53.45 | dafire | i have 334 engineering i think |
| 11:53.45 | Punkie` | there are a lot of places in Nagrad where I can't fish because I'm so short I start swimming :( |
| 11:54.07 | evl | patchnotes plz |
| 11:54.35 | abbat_w | to pastey please ;) |
| 11:54.47 | PHL-Chuck | someone posted this above. |
| 11:54.49 | PHL-Chuck | http://ace.pastey.net/7770 |
| 11:55.07 | grzesieq | jesus, the new worldofraids.com layout sucks even more than the v2 one. |
| 11:55.18 | abbat_w | thanks |
| 11:56.11 | abbat_w | ghm... |
| 11:56.15 | abbat_w | nothing about mages |
| 11:56.17 | grzesieq | Increased the chance Frozen effects are broken when the target is critically struck by a spell. + icelance... |
| 11:56.19 | abbat_w | and nova |
| 11:56.28 | Punkie` | I think the thunderclap in defensive stance is one of the single biggest warrior buffs in a long time |
| 11:56.37 | grzesieq | yep |
| 11:56.57 | eXemplar | I'M MAD AS HELL |
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| 11:57.11 | abbat_w | grzesieq, i read this on forums but patchnotes didn't have this info |
| 11:57.15 | evl | eXemplar: because? :P |
| 11:57.21 | grzesieq | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=79628006&sid=1 is what i'm reading atm |
| 11:57.34 | abbat_w | grzesieq: http://ace.pastey.net/7770 |
| 11:57.41 | grzesieq | hm, locks haven't been nerfed |
| 11:57.42 | abbat_w | this is from us patch i think |
| 11:57.48 | eXemplar | evl, missed most of the priest qq ? =P |
| 11:57.54 | grzesieq | kinda sucky patch then |
| 11:57.59 | abbat_w | are locks need nerf? |
| 11:58.03 | dafire | grzesieq: locks have been nerfed |
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| 11:58.10 | grzesieq | oh please |
| 11:58.17 | grzesieq | who would spec demo anyway |
| 11:58.22 | evl | eXemplar: priests? care :) |
| 11:58.32 | eXemplar | /cry |
| 11:58.45 | grzesieq | The cost of sockets in high end items has been adjusted slightly, |
| 11:58.45 | grzesieq | 141 the result is that most high end epic items should see an increase |
| 11:58.46 | grzesieq | 142 in stats. |
| 11:58.48 | nee|work | I'm a priest |
| 11:58.52 | grzesieq | can anyone give me an example? :P |
| 11:59.32 | dafire | i checked my epic helmet from romulo and the handcuffs from maiden and didn't noticed any stats changes on test |
| 11:59.32 | abbat_w | sure |
| 11:59.46 | nee|work | dafire: I think they're not high-end then |
| 11:59.55 | grzesieq | Reduced the chance of a Cabal Assassin ambush. :< |
| 11:59.58 | abbat_w | at worldofraids.com exists thread with info about changed items stats |
| 11:59.58 | dafire | well.. they are epics with sockets |
| 12:00.01 | nee|work | Or they do not fall into the 'most'category |
| 12:01.22 | grzesieq | wohooo |
| 12:01.40 | grzesieq | can iceblock and clos from flame wreath |
| 12:01.48 | grzesieq | no more rogues blowing people up |
| 12:03.35 | grzesieq | I hope they won't nerf frozen shadoweave. |
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| 12:10.23 | Gngsk | no worries |
| 12:10.28 | Gngsk | anytime you think about nerfs, just watch |
| 12:10.28 | Gngsk | http://youtube.com/watch?v=_BpY3dpuznM |
| 12:12.45 | CIA-18 | 03sylvanaar * r29640 10ACP/ACP.lua: ACP: Added a view which shows LOD/non-LOD/Blizz as separate categories. |
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| 12:21.02 | Daemona | hmmm did us get a patch today? |
| 12:21.37 | Daemona | eu has extended maintenance on wednesday but no word about the patch |
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| 12:23.07 | Punkie` | yes, there will be a patch |
| 12:23.09 | Punkie` | US have it |
| 12:23.17 | wobin | oh man, early shutdown? =\ |
| 12:23.48 | wobin | alas |
| 12:24.06 | yacoob | yes, wobin, we're shutting you down. |
| 12:24.12 | yacoob | hand over your badge and gun. |
| 12:24.22 | wobin | =\ |
| 12:24.30 | wobin | Two more years and I would have made it =\ |
| 12:24.40 | yacoob | golden watch? :) |
| 12:24.40 | wobin | But I'll find the truth! |
| 12:24.53 | Wogroipl | wobin: are you the author of paintball? |
| 12:24.57 | wobin | I just saw Ghostrider. |
| 12:24.59 | wobin | Wogroipl: yes |
| 12:25.07 | wobin | It reached all expectations |
| 12:25.07 | yacoob | Golden Watch - organization of golden retrievers, tracking Jewish conspiracy |
| 12:25.11 | wobin | ie: none. |
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| 12:25.58 | Wogroipl | it puts a raidtarget on a mob on mouseover it says, but how do you control which icin it uses? |
| 12:26.06 | wobin | abysmal doesn't even cover it |
| 12:26.12 | wobin | Wogroipl: I'm surprised it still works |
| 12:26.15 | Wogroipl | Icon even |
| 12:26.22 | Wogroipl | haven't tried it yet :P |
| 12:26.28 | wobin | You don't, nominally. |
| 12:26.39 | wobin | It cycles through the icons |
| 12:26.46 | wobin | unless you've assigned the skull to a boss |
| 12:26.56 | wobin | hurro 2.0.10 |
| 12:27.07 | Wogroipl | okay, was trying to find an alternative for keybindings, since I can never remember which one is what |
| 12:27.22 | Punkie` | Weird question, does UI-StatusBar have different colouring options than, for example, BantoBar? |
| 12:27.37 | wobin | Wogroipl: I don't think it's worked since 2.0 due to the targetting changes |
| 12:27.47 | Punkie` | I replaced the lines in the XML for damagemeters and I can't get class colours anymore :/ |
| 12:27.52 | Wogroipl | right, I won't bother then ;) |
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| 12:37.02 | FISKER_Q | Hey i haven't served it yet! |
| 12:40.45 | wobin | oh sorry |
| 12:43.17 | FISKER_Q | now you can roast with the sex mwuhahahah |
| 12:43.24 | nymbia | kinky |
| 12:43.36 | mitch0 | did 2.0.10 go live in the US? |
| 12:43.47 | nymbia | my oven has a lock |
| 12:43.50 | nymbia | yeah mitch0 |
| 12:44.07 | mitch0 | kkthxby |
| 12:44.10 | mitch0 | :) |
| 12:44.25 | evl | live in EU soon? |
| 12:44.35 | mitch0 | tomorrow most probably |
| 12:47.56 | Adirelle|work | how long to deliciously cook a wobin ? |
| 12:48.33 | FISKER_Q | btw mitch0 |
| 12:48.44 | mitch0 | hm? |
| 12:48.47 | FISKER_Q | My server has been running for more than a day now :P |
| 12:48.47 | Industrial | 20 minutes in a pre-heated (rediculous word) oven. |
| 12:48.52 | Industrial | Adirelle|work: --^ |
| 12:49.03 | FISKER_Q | For some reason it stopped crashing when i started doing some additional logging |
| 12:49.05 | CIA-18 | 03next96 * r29641 10BigWigs/Outland/Gruul.lua: |
| 12:49.05 | CIA-18 | BigWigs: |
| 12:49.05 | CIA-18 | - Gruul |
| 12:49.05 | CIA-18 | - Update locale koKR |
| 12:49.08 | mitch0 | Fisker-: the debug log issue? |
| 12:49.15 | FISKER_Q | yeah |
| 12:49.17 | mitch0 | hehe, that's a know phenomenon |
| 12:49.20 | mitch0 | (spelling?) |
| 12:49.38 | mitch0 | usually happens with multithreaded apps though |
| 12:50.16 | Adirelle|work | ~seen Antiarc |
| 12:50.42 | purl | antiarc <n=Chris@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9d 11h 15m 5s ago, saying: 'face, even.'. |
| 12:51.06 | nymbia | ~seen Antiar1 |
| 12:51.09 | purl | antiar1 is currently on #wowi-lounge (9h 28m 3s) #wowace (9h 28m 3s), last said: 'Will do.'. |
| 12:51.19 | Adirelle|work | thx |
| 12:51.34 | nymbia | :) |
| 12:51.55 | Adirelle|work | well, he's afk anyway |
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| 12:58.04 | FISKER_Q | Has anyone tested if blizzard has been stupid enough to include all items into item-tooltip.xml on their armory page? |
| 12:58.34 | dafire | i think it's nice that you can get the guildlist in plain xml ;) |
| 12:59.04 | xyu | are there population numbers on the armory? |
| 12:59.10 | xyu | or horde:ally ratios? ^^ |
| 12:59.11 | dafire | of course not |
| 12:59.16 | xyu | :( |
| 12:59.43 | xyu | DAoC did it w/ no problems. So i dont' think "of course not" is warrented! |
| 12:59.53 | xyu | EQ as well i believe. |
| 13:00.20 | dafire | i'd see it as a trade secret ;9 |
| 13:01.11 | yacoob | xyu, O |
| 13:01.27 | yacoob | i rather see it as 'of course they haven't thought about that' |
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| 13:02.09 | xyu | cynic! :D |
| 13:02.23 | Adirelle|work | guildlist doesn't work with EU servers |
| 13:02.27 | xyu | i'm surprised it's up actually |
| 13:02.45 | xyu | w/ the servers being down and all |
| 13:02.53 | yacoob | xyu, I'm being only realistic :) |
| 13:03.18 | mitch0 | I want help with fubar and/or fubar_skillsplus! |
| 13:04.01 | mitch0 | (not really serious, no need to get all upset and stuff) |
| 13:07.57 | xyu | i wish maintanence was on any other day but tuesday. i have so much spare time today and very little on the other weekdays >< |
| 13:08.34 | mitch0 | self.life:reorganize(); |
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| 13:09.20 | mitch0 | xyu: but if you're really bored, you could write a MapNotes -> Carto importer for me :) |
| 13:10.22 | xyu | I couldn't write my way out of a paper room.....or something |
| 13:10.36 | mitch0 | :) |
| 13:11.14 | xyu | but i'd like a metamap -> carto importer while you're at it. they have some pretty accurate databases emerging |
| 13:12.07 | xyu | i had blood elf 1-54 quests noted, w/ most herbs but i lost all my data...wahh i was so sad. |
| 13:13.13 | xyu | i'm having troubles sharing my data w/ people. i seem to get other people's data but if i share w/ guild it instantly says "sharing complete" and they get none of my uber herb spawns |
| 13:13.40 | mitch0 | ;) |
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| 13:24.07 | abyssichate | Did USA get 2.10 today? |
| 13:24.19 | xyu | yes |
| 13:24.29 | Silviu- | 2.0.10 ;) |
| 13:24.32 | nevcairiel | 2.0.10, not to confuse with 2.1.0 |
| 13:24.33 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:24.48 | abyssichate | Yes, I just ignored the .0. :s |
| 13:24.58 | abyssichate | I can't buy the spellblade for that cheap price then :/ |
| 13:25.15 | xyu | how much was it before? |
| 13:25.33 | xyu | o |
| 13:25.37 | xyu | mistype |
| 13:25.42 | xyu | damn enter button |
| 13:25.51 | xyu | what weapon should i get on my pally o_O |
| 13:26.01 | nevcairiel | none. |
| 13:26.10 | xyu | just punch people |
| 13:26.29 | kenlyric|wor1 | the only weapon you need is in your bags. |
| 13:26.32 | nevcairiel | its no difference in damage. |
| 13:26.35 | abyssichate | 1850->3150 |
| 13:26.55 | xyu | my hearthstone can't be used in arenas |
| 13:26.55 | kenlyric | if you should lose your only weapon, visit any innkeeper |
| 13:27.17 | kenlyric | curses, you saw through my web of lies. |
| 13:27.47 | xyu | I don't know anything about paladins even though i have a level 62 pally |
| 13:27.47 | nevcairiel | get a good healing weapon from outside arenas |
| 13:27.56 | kenlyric | on my pallies I like quick 2-h weapons. Other people like polearms |
| 13:28.35 | kenlyric | I find really slow 2-h weapons are very unforgiving on misses with regards to keeping judgements up. But that's from a levelling perspective, not arena. |
| 13:28.48 | Gngsk | kenlyric, what happened to live maintenance? :( |
| 13:28.52 | xyu | yeah leveling i don't really care. |
| 13:28.55 | xyu | i pull 3 million mobs |
| 13:29.00 | xyu | and have my out of group healbot keep me up |
| 13:29.00 | mitch0 | so much crying over this Frost Nova / IL nerf thingy... |
| 13:29.04 | xyu | while reckoning takes care of the rest |
| 13:29.17 | xyu | IL ? |
| 13:29.21 | CIA-18 | 03sylvanaar * r29642 10ACP/ACP.lua: ACP: Auto-group by "namespace" addon_* using the 'group by name' view. Sorta half-ass, but works. |
| 13:29.21 | nevcairiel | ice lance |
| 13:29.23 | xyu | oh |
| 13:29.28 | xyu | what was the nerf? |
| 13:29.33 | nevcairiel | its not really an ice lance nerf |
| 13:29.37 | nevcairiel | only frost nova |
| 13:29.45 | Gngsk | it is an ice lance nerf though |
| 13:29.45 | xyu | frost nova breaks easier on IL? |
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| 13:29.47 | nevcairiel | frost nova breaks on every crit |
| 13:29.49 | mitch0 | FN will break on any crit (alternatively: FN will break on hits over 1500) |
| 13:29.57 | mitch0 | nobody's really sure :) |
| 13:30.04 | xyu | oh ok |
| 13:30.07 | nevcairiel | according to tseric, its every crit. |
| 13:30.08 | mitch0 | but in any case, everyone is crying a river about it |
| 13:30.13 | xyu | well my main is a mage and even i agree |
| 13:30.15 | xyu | its kind of rediculous |
| 13:30.21 | xyu | sp! |
| 13:30.27 | mitch0 | s/red/rid/ |
| 13:30.32 | xyu | thx |
| 13:30.42 | nymbia | i'm fine with nova breaking earlier, it was lasting too long for sure |
| 13:30.43 | xyu | i was too lazy to correct myself |
| 13:30.48 | nevcairiel | being able to do chain 2k crits with icelance was too overpowered. |
| 13:30.52 | mitch0 | in a year or two rediculous will be correct english, too, I guess |
| 13:30.52 | kenlyric | Gngsk: wrong channel. I only explode in #kargath : |
| 13:30.56 | nymbia | but fear needs the same treatment |
| 13:31.12 | mitch0 | nymbia: yep, that would be nice |
| 13:31.15 | Gngsk | kenlyric, is that why you're absent? |
| 13:31.31 | mitch0 | running around in fear getting dotted and shadowbolted to death in no time is not fun |
| 13:31.49 | nymbia | not a fan of taking 7600 damage before the first fear breaks |
| 13:32.05 | nymbia | yay it broke at 14 of 15 seconds! |
| 13:32.16 | mitch0 | me thinks this FN nerf will not be that game breaking (frost mage, btw) |
| 13:32.19 | xyu | Yay i lasted 14 seconds |
| 13:32.21 | xyu | is what i would be saying |
| 13:32.22 | nevcairiel | they plan to nerf fear in pvp tho |
| 13:32.34 | nevcairiel | actually, to nerf all CCs |
| 13:32.35 | mitch0 | according to tests we can still do FN/FB/IL combo for nice dmg |
| 13:32.46 | oKarn | the should buff PsyScream |
| 13:32.51 | nymbia | meh, i wreck warlocks if they dont land fear |
| 13:32.52 | mitch0 | nevcairiel: how on earth can they nerf poly even more? |
| 13:33.02 | mitch0 | insta heal and lasts for 1 sec only? :) |
| 13:33.05 | xyu | nerf freeze trap imo! :P |
| 13:33.05 | nymbia | well, bad warlocks. which most are |
| 13:33.10 | xyu | nerf beastmaster hunterse too :( |
| 13:33.18 | nevcairiel | i havent noticed poly breaking so early. |
| 13:33.20 | oKarn | PsyScream doesnt even last long enough for a single smite normally |
| 13:33.20 | xyu | nerf everyone but me |
| 13:33.23 | nevcairiel | it lasts quite long in our arenas. |
| 13:33.30 | SunTiger | add breaking based on closeness of players |
| 13:33.36 | nymbia | poly's been working ok for me |
| 13:33.38 | oKarn | and if it does its normally bugged so they run out of range before you get to hit them |
| 13:33.40 | xyu | poly is fine for me |
| 13:33.57 | xyu | i usually double poly anyway unless it's a warrior or something w/o trinket |
| 13:34.04 | nevcairiel | check for enemy pally or priests who dispell :P |
| 13:34.12 | xyu | my objective in arenas isn't even to do damage as a mage. |
| 13:34.16 | mitch0 | xyu: yeah, it's fine, but I can't imagine how it could be nerfed more in pvp |
| 13:34.20 | xyu | it's to paint a big ass target saying SHOOT me. |
| 13:34.32 | mitch0 | (someone above stated that "they" are gonna nerf all CC in pvp) |
| 13:34.55 | nymbia | well, today in one arena match it broke 1 second in 3 times even after the pally blew his trink/shield and i waited for the DR timer |
| 13:34.57 | xyu | i thought they had. if they nerf it more |
| 13:35.04 | xyu | warriors are just going to pwn the arenas |
| 13:35.27 | xyu | warlock priest duo is pretty serious business too >< |
| 13:35.29 | xyu | i can't beat them |
| 13:35.49 | abyssichate | Why do both Sorren's Timer and Chronometer can't handle more than one instance of the same dot on one target without cancelling my timer bar if the other dot expires first? I really don't want to switch to Dotimer :/ |
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| 13:36.07 | eXemplar | (23:34:23) (xyu) it's to paint a big ass target saying SHOOT me. <- isn't that the priest's job ? |
| 13:36.18 | sylvanaar | so are there any changes to framexml anyone looked? |
| 13:36.27 | xyu | yeah but priests usually die. so if i can be a bigger target than them. i've done my job |
| 13:36.45 | xyu | i have a bit more survivability imo. |
| 13:36.58 | xyu | between my pets freeze nova, my nova, and 2 ice blocks. |
| 13:37.15 | nevcairiel | stupid frostmages |
| 13:37.19 | mitch0 | hehe |
| 13:37.22 | mitch0 | frost owns |
| 13:37.27 | mitch0 | I like it very much |
| 13:37.27 | nevcairiel | we have a arcane/fire mage in our 5v5 team |
| 13:37.32 | nevcairiel | she owns. |
| 13:37.45 | mitch0 | yeah, that could be sick, too |
| 13:37.49 | mitch0 | for the first target |
| 13:37.52 | xyu | yeah , i'm a fire mage at heart |
| 13:37.54 | xyu | but i do frost for arena |
| 13:38.14 | mitch0 | btw, have you seen the 5-boxing arena video? :) |
| 13:38.15 | xyu | i love all these mages who come out APwered and PoMed up from the start of the fight |
| 13:38.22 | xyu | oh how i love it when their shit gets abosrbed |
| 13:38.26 | nevcairiel | its so sick, with a good hit, and the rogue doing some dmg on the same target as well, you already won the arena. |
| 13:38.28 | xyu | and then they blink and run around fireblasting |
| 13:38.34 | nevcairiel | if they have one less you always win generally. |
| 13:38.57 | Silviu- | mitch0 nop, link ? ;) |
| 13:39.00 | mitch0 | sec |
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| 13:39.12 | xyu | can we spellsteal soul link? :D |
| 13:39.21 | nevcairiel | without a pet? |
| 13:39.24 | nevcairiel | i dont think so :p |
| 13:39.28 | xyu | water elemental |
| 13:39.32 | mitch0 | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=31760 |
| 13:39.48 | nevcairiel | nah prolly wont owrk |
| 13:39.58 | xyu | probably not. |
| 13:39.59 | nevcairiel | i love the stupid shamans in arenas |
| 13:40.00 | mitch0 | xyu: you can only steal SL from teh pet |
| 13:40.02 | Silviu- | Your Place in line: 417 out of 418 |
| 13:40.04 | Silviu- | :) |
| 13:40.04 | nevcairiel | always purging me to death |
| 13:40.05 | mitch0 | and that's not very useful |
| 13:40.20 | xyu | nah it wouldn't be, you're right |
| 13:40.24 | nevcairiel | shaman purges me, i get healed for 1500 |
| 13:40.27 | nevcairiel | thats so great |
| 13:40.32 | mitch0 | (at least that's what I've read, I'm only lvl 69) |
| 13:40.39 | xyu | i like to use spell steal though |
| 13:40.42 | xyu | its' fun to play with |
| 13:40.54 | xyu | except when i get a warlocks clearcasting |
| 13:40.57 | xyu | instead of felwarmor |
| 13:40.58 | nevcairiel | too many intensive for being a serious thread |
| 13:41.01 | xyu | fel armor* |
| 13:41.13 | nevcairiel | s/many/mana/ |
| 13:41.27 | mitch0 | s/thread/?/ |
| 13:41.32 | nevcairiel | threat |
| 13:41.32 | Gngsk | threat? |
| 13:41.33 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 13:41.35 | nevcairiel | but whatever :P |
| 13:41.38 | mitch0 | :) |
| 13:41.58 | sylvanaar | DUNGEON_DIFFICULTY3 = "Epic"; |
| 13:42.03 | mitch0 | I'll be very sucky at arenas at first... |
| 13:42.10 | nevcairiel | I wonder when shamans learn, that purging a druid is not a good idea. |
| 13:43.01 | mitch0 | my pvp skillz are very much rusty right now |
| 13:43.02 | nevcairiel | I hope never. |
| 13:43.02 | xyu | nevcairiel: what gives you that 1500? |
| 13:43.02 | nevcairiel | oh lifebloom |
| 13:43.02 | xyu | ohhh |
| 13:43.02 | mitch0 | last sunday I tried to compete in the fishing thing... I was ganked so hard, I didn't know what hit me :) |
| 13:43.02 | nevcairiel | heals me when it expires or is dispelled |
| 13:43.02 | xyu | yep |
| 13:43.02 | xyu | can i spellsteal that? :P |
| 13:43.02 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 13:43.04 | nevcairiel | but its a 7 second hot |
| 13:43.10 | nevcairiel | not really worth it, if you cannot recast yourself |
| 13:43.17 | xyu | kk |
| 13:43.27 | nevcairiel | (plus it costs me 170 mana, and spellsteal like 600?) |
| 13:44.21 | xyu | i very rarely run out of mana. only time i have is when i had mana shield on extensively while kiting a catform druid around. |
| 13:44.23 | xyu | ate it right up |
| 13:44.28 | abbat_w | yep, ~ 600 |
| 13:45.04 | abbat_w | but steal HoT from druid it's not a bad idea |
| 13:45.17 | abbat_w | even for 600 mana cost |
| 13:45.35 | nevcairiel | in pvp i cannot heal mana efficient, so i run out of mana pretty quick, but usually it lasts long enough for victory |
| 13:45.54 | xyu | are you resto? |
| 13:45.59 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 13:46.17 | sylvanaar | better to purge the lifebloom off than let it tick imo |
| 13:46.19 | xyu | i think druids are so underrated in arena pvp. |
| 13:46.32 | abbat_w | no no |
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| 13:46.47 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: nah, i can recast it and the default shaman purges again, thats 1500 heal every 1.5seconds |
| 13:46.47 | abbat_w | cyclone now best cc |
| 13:47.12 | xyu | yeah, no iceblock etc. |
| 13:47.13 | xyu | pretty sick |
| 13:47.25 | abbat_w | damn yes. no ice block ;( |
| 13:47.34 | nevcairiel | but you can only control anyone for 10s |
| 13:47.36 | nevcairiel | 6s on first cast |
| 13:47.39 | nevcairiel | 3 on second |
| 13:47.40 | nevcairiel | 1 on last |
| 13:47.41 | sylvanaar | yeah, but they are also earth shoking and meleeing you for 2k+ |
| 13:47.42 | nevcairiel | then immune |
| 13:47.42 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:47.46 | abbat_w | i don't why blizz make block don't working on cyclone ;( |
| 13:47.54 | abbat_w | yeah, diminishing return |
| 13:47.57 | Pneu | does Tristan hang around here? |
| 13:48.02 | sylvanaar | DR on npc's |
| 13:48.07 | dafire | uhmm.. how do i use a variable in an object name in lua ? i create a frame ("MyFrame"..i) how do i check if it exists ? :9 |
| 13:48.08 | sylvanaar | how lame is that |
| 13:48.22 | abbat_w | are npc has dr? |
| 13:48.38 | nevcairiel | only cyclone has DR on npcs |
| 13:48.39 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 13:48.44 | abbat_w | ahahha ;) |
| 13:48.45 | abbat_w | lol |
| 13:48.48 | sylvanaar | yeah, cyclone does |
| 13:49.16 | abbat_w | so, this is balance ;) if cyclon can't be removed with block then it have DR on npc ;) |
| 13:49.32 | sylvanaar | no, its stupid |
| 13:50.14 | abbat_w | sure |
| 13:50.21 | xyu | yeah says "immune" :( |
| 13:50.27 | abbat_w | should be changed btw |
| 13:50.55 | nevcairiel | who cares if npcs get DR anway. |
| 13:51.05 | nevcairiel | they dont cry on the forums :P |
| 13:51.14 | nevcairiel | so remove it :) |
| 13:51.57 | xyu | i just wish it had a longer cast time. it's so hard to CS that when i have a 900 asian ping :P |
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| 13:52.26 | xyu | hmm someone write a client side no lag hack. thx. |
| 13:52.48 | Cartas | Done! |
| 13:52.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:52.51 | xyu | so even if my spell hasn't cast server side, i can at least be queueing up another one client side |
| 13:53.09 | xyu | :D:D |
| 13:53.49 | xyu | ./timenudge |
| 13:54.51 | sylvanaar | they made it lame like warlock enslave demon |
| 13:55.03 | mitch0 | xyu: the 1-slot-spell queue idea has been around for a while. nobody seems to care though :( |
| 13:55.19 | xyu | yeah i know. i care though, i'd love it. |
| 13:55.22 | sylvanaar | at least you can wait out the DR tiomer |
| 13:56.46 | xyu | but i'm not important enough to matter. :D |
| 13:56.47 | xyu | DAoC had one. UO had client side no lag options |
| 13:56.47 | xyu | though it went screwy sometimes |
| 13:56.47 | xyu | rubberbanding etc. |
| 13:56.47 | mitch0 | a proper client/server side solution would be nice |
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| 13:56.52 | mitch0 | will never happen though :( |
| 13:57.12 | mitch0 | but at least my ping times are getting better :) |
| 13:57.16 | xyu | oh well i'm moving back to the states May 13th |
| 13:57.24 | xyu | where i had a 17ms ping to my server |
| 13:57.59 | xyu | It sure sucks playing a mage w/ 800 ping |
| 13:58.14 | Adirelle|work | it sucks playing any class w/ 800 ping :s |
| 13:58.20 | xyu | oh and naxx was a joke. i'd die to that poison floor 9 times out of 10. unless i was running like INTO The poison |
| 13:58.28 | xyu | before the one behind me came up |
| 13:58.32 | sylvanaar | DDR |
| 13:58.36 | xyu | DDR wow yep |
| 13:58.43 | Adirelle|work | "DDR" ? |
| 13:58.45 | xyu | but this is like DDR w/ sticky arrows |
| 13:58.51 | xyu | from some kid spilling beer on it |
| 13:59.07 | xyu | dance dance revolution |
| 13:59.23 | sylvanaar | i die 100% of the time on that sort of crap |
| 13:59.52 | xyu | i was ok on thadius though. the huge ace thadius arrows helped w/ that :) |
| 14:00.11 | sylvanaar | oh no - i couldnt make it past the practice runs |
| 14:00.49 | xyu | i hate lag. sigh. i rogue can get like 3 shots off before my blink goes off....and i'm usually gouged at the end of my blink. |
| 14:00.53 | xyu | or even blinded |
| 14:02.38 | nymbia | ;) |
| 14:02.45 | sylvanaar | i have been trying to play my warlock, but im used to being able to heal myself more |
| 14:03.03 | xyu | first aid! |
| 14:03.30 | xyu | warlocks get hit? |
| 14:03.59 | evl | Anyone soloed/dualed fragments in Arcatraz/Steamvaults after the key guardians were added? |
| 14:04.07 | sylvanaar | yeah, because even with cor/cos cycling they tend to run off |
| 14:04.24 | Silviu- | evl me |
| 14:04.54 | evl | class? |
| 14:05.00 | Silviu- | warlock :P |
| 14:05.17 | evl | invisiblity pot? |
| 14:05.27 | xyu | Silviu sounds like a priestly name to me |
| 14:05.30 | xyu | that was my guess |
| 14:05.31 | Silviu- | No, rest of party was afk when i looted that |
| 14:05.38 | Adirelle|work | Blizzard is trying to hyperlink forum character and guild name to the armory... but it seems they forgot to put the site name in the URL... |
| 14:05.39 | Silviu- | ^^ |
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| 14:05.56 | evl | aha, so it's perfectly doable by druid+rogue combo |
| 14:06.05 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 14:06.08 | Silviu- | Yeah |
| 14:06.15 | Adirelle|work | the talent is worlking tho |
| 14:06.20 | Silviu- | He is easy ... and .. i was lucky for some big crits :) |
| 14:07.22 | sylvanaar | i have never seen him but my groups dont die so must be easy since they tend to do that when i walk to get a drink |
| 14:07.38 | nymbia | usz: i'll get those added, thanks :) |
| 14:08.08 | usz | 12«11nymbia12» cheers |
| 14:08.12 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 14:08.14 | usz | bah colors... |
| 14:09.01 | Gngsk | anyone know what mod is in this screenshot above the castbar? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full7146.jpg |
| 14:09.03 | sylvanaar | have you noticed lifebloom doesnt get the tree of life bonus if you are solo? |
| 14:10.06 | Pneu | Gngsk: i'm assuming it's some kind of Focus Frame but i've got no idea which :) |
| 14:10.16 | sylvanaar | i should try it on test |
| 14:10.34 | Adirelle|work | I'm cursed, why does guild-info.xml fail just for my guild ? |
| 14:10.41 | Gngsk | it looks like a healing estimator, the red area showing incoming heal with overhealing |
| 14:11.01 | kenlyric | that is what it looks like. |
| 14:11.21 | kenlyric | never seen the mod before, though. |
| 14:11.27 | Gngsk | yeah, which is why I'd like to know what it is :D |
| 14:12.08 | Gngsk | could it be |
| 14:12.08 | Gngsk | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5831-HealingEstimator.html |
| 14:12.10 | Gngsk | ... |
| 14:12.30 | kenlyric | dunno. I never found much use in those, so I never tried any out. |
| 14:13.32 | kenlyric | I played briefly with mouseover healing last night... it did not go well. |
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| 14:21.35 | sylvanaar | wow, bsod |
| 14:21.58 | jkw | Anyone know if there exist any addon to toggle chatframes? |
| 14:22.19 | sylvanaar | the client is gonna keep showing them |
| 14:22.42 | evl | jkw: toggle? |
| 14:22.51 | evl | jkw: /script ChatFrame1:Hide() lol? |
| 14:23.03 | sylvanaar | lol it will reappear on its own |
| 14:23.17 | evl | nevar! |
| 14:23.41 | sylvanaar | you can do ScheduleRepeatingEvent or something and keep hiding it |
| 14:23.54 | sylvanaar | or hook and schedule from there |
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| 14:24.41 | nevcairiel | hook the Show() |
| 14:24.42 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:26.10 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.23 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 14:27.28 | phyber | stick a post it over that part of the monitor. |
| 14:27.34 | Industrial | ChatFrame.1=function()end |
| 14:27.36 | Industrial | :D |
| 14:27.40 | Industrial | er |
| 14:27.47 | Industrial | ChatFrame1.Show=function()end |
| 14:28.06 | [Ammo] | or just hook it and return without calling the hook |
| 14:28.15 | Industrial | < sylvanaar> the client is gonna keep showing them |
| 14:28.15 | Industrial | why |
| 14:28.15 | [Ammo] | that way you could disable it on the fly as well |
| 14:28.19 | Industrial | its so annoying |
| 14:28.32 | sylvanaar | ask blizzard |
| 14:28.32 | Industrial | I always get my combatlog back when i delete it. shitframe i dont want it >:( |
| 14:28.47 | sylvanaar | bitch at them its thier code |
| 14:29.18 | Industrial | lets make our own full interface, replacing everything blizzard made |
| 14:29.24 | Industrial | chat, everything |
| 14:29.25 | Industrial | :P |
| 14:29.33 | Industrial | (and then nil out all that blizzard loads) |
| 14:29.45 | [Ammo] | don't nil out |
| 14:29.52 | [Ammo] | make a transparant API to your own stuff |
| 14:30.01 | Industrial | unhook, empty, etc |
| 14:30.02 | [Ammo] | so other addons still work as expected, but with your stuff :) |
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| 14:30.16 | sylvanaar | its the only secure execution space so you cant just get rid of it |
| 14:30.30 | Industrial | blah |
| 14:31.19 | nevcairiel | before 2.0 that wouldve worked better :p |
| 14:31.38 | sylvanaar | im not sure if you can hook chatframe1 like that to keep it hidden without tainting everything that tries to pass through |
| 14:31.55 | sylvanaar | you might be able to |
| 14:32.16 | art3mis | booo patch today |
| 14:32.35 | art3mis | bye bye ve crits hello pom cooldown! |
| 14:32.55 | art3mis | and let's hear it for increased mindflay threat |
| 14:33.06 | art3mis | and decreased druid bear threat |
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| 14:33.33 | sylvanaar | lest pew pew more q q and mew mew |
| 14:33.54 | art3mis | heh |
| 14:34.08 | art3mis | i dont see the ve crit thing as a big hit though |
| 14:34.13 | art3mis | we're still awesome |
| 14:34.21 | art3mis | the pom cooldown is kind of ass though |
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| 14:36.01 | jkw | art3mis: pom? |
| 14:36.08 | art3mis | prayer of mending |
| 14:36.11 | jkw | ah |
| 14:36.24 | jkw | i was thinking "wtf priests got precense of mind now?!" |
| 14:36.26 | art3mis | the spazzy jump around free spam heal ;) |
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| 14:36.48 | nevcairiel | no spam anymore tho |
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| 14:36.55 | art3mis | and the dropped the amount ve heals from 15% to 20% |
| 14:37.03 | art3mis | they |
| 14:37.09 | art3mis | err from 20 to 15 |
| 14:37.18 | art3mis | oh well just means i need more +spell ;P |
| 14:37.37 | sylvanaar | that pom spam was retarded |
| 14:37.44 | art3mis | heh it was funny though |
| 14:37.50 | sylvanaar | and noisy |
| 14:37.52 | art3mis | mine always seemed to end up on locks |
| 14:38.05 | art3mis | just sitting there wasting away |
| 14:38.22 | art3mis | ooo circle of healing is 25% cheaper now |
| 14:38.26 | art3mis | thats good |
| 14:38.57 | sylvanaar | tell me something about why you like that spell and its worth getting |
| 14:39.04 | art3mis | laugh and imp power-shield is increased to 20% |
| 14:39.06 | art3mis | oooo |
| 14:39.18 | art3mis | so instead of 160 it's now 200! |
| 14:39.23 | art3mis | thanks blizz! |
| 14:39.42 | sylvanaar | yeah, they failed to scale it correctly |
| 14:39.43 | dafire | please join #whine |
| 14:39.45 | dafire | :) |
| 14:39.52 | art3mis | hehe im not actually whining |
| 14:39.56 | art3mis | i love my shadow priest |
| 14:40.00 | FISKER_Q | goodbye cruel world! |
| 14:40.01 | art3mis | and we're still the best class |
| 14:40.30 | art3mis | there is a reason that priest and mage were the last 2 to get the first round of changes and STILL kicked ass after the class redeaux ;) |
| 14:41.19 | sylvanaar | priest class is simply more in line with the game concept, all the abilities make sense pretty much (i think) |
| 14:41.22 | FISKER_Q | I said: Goodbye cruel world! |
| 14:41.32 | FISKER_Q | QQ |
| 14:41.50 | Industrial | FISKER_QQ |
| 14:42.48 | art3mis | i only want 4 things for my priest now.. 1. vt to have a larger percentage if solo 2. pw:shield to actually absorb hunter arrows(dots) 3. some form of self res 4. a useful form of CC |
| 14:42.51 | art3mis | thats it |
| 14:42.57 | art3mis | past that im good ;P |
| 14:43.36 | art3mis | that always bugged me about pw:shield |
| 14:44.06 | art3mis | if its supposed o absorb physical damage how the hell can a hunter dot effect me since it's sent by a friggin arrow which is prety physical |
| 14:44.11 | sylvanaar | it absorbs poision damage usually |
| 14:44.16 | Industrial | how is psychic scream and mind control not useful? |
| 14:44.24 | art3mis | that and appearantly falling from great heights is no longer conside physical damage ;P |
| 14:44.33 | kenlyric | mind control is usually just a good way to screw yourself. |
| 14:44.48 | kenlyric | cast/break cast/break |
| 14:44.56 | Industrial | hm |
| 14:44.58 | sylvanaar | they changed fall damage a long time ago |
| 14:44.58 | art3mis | well fear diminishes and gets resisted ALOT and in pvp there's a trinket to break it and abilities to stop it |
| 14:44.58 | dafire | get some +hit ;9 |
| 14:45.19 | art3mis | and mc isnt all that good if you've got more than one mob ;P |
| 14:45.21 | Industrial | wow needs more mezzing |
| 14:45.28 | art3mis | take sheep for instance |
| 14:45.38 | art3mis | or hell even roots/ice nova |
| 14:45.59 | art3mis | something along those lines would be great since we really have no way to stop things from running to us |
| 14:46.10 | kenlyric | mind control was an ability I used exactly once successfully, while levelling in stonetalon I was fighting high up on this construction with goblins. I got to the named, mind controlled his friend off the cliff, then killed him. |
| 14:46.16 | art3mis | unless you hang out in strat or scholo all day ;P |
| 14:46.19 | kenlyric | It was never successfully useful again. |
| 14:46.27 | kenlyric | (though it killed me plenty of times) |
| 14:46.29 | art3mis | laugh i ALWAYS use mc |
| 14:46.50 | art3mis | love that ability its just not good solo cuz one damage hit and poof spell gone |
| 14:46.53 | sylvanaar | you are playijng your class as a hybrid so your will have less flexible forms abilities that cross over |
| 14:47.00 | sylvanaar | i rolled a priest for mc - so much fun |
| 14:47.08 | art3mis | shadow isnt a hybrid though |
| 14:47.13 | art3mis | its a direction |
| 14:47.16 | dafire | shadow is crap ;) |
| 14:47.29 | art3mis | thats almost like saying a fury warr is a hybrid |
| 14:47.46 | art3mis | im not complaining about the amount of damage i do or the healing i can do ;P |
| 14:47.48 | kenlyric | art3mis: when it breaks in a party, all it gives me is a very pissed off monster with unshakeable aggro. |
| 14:47.57 | art3mis | haha yeah ken |
| 14:48.01 | art3mis | thats the awesome part |
| 14:48.09 | kenlyric | it always, without fzail, breaks at the worst possible time. |
| 14:48.12 | sylvanaar | then you fear and MC again |
| 14:48.15 | art3mis | shield recast |
| 14:48.17 | kenlyric | yeah, fear in an instance. |
| 14:48.20 | kenlyric | that always works |
| 14:48.27 | art3mis | ** hope to god someone gets it |
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| 14:48.40 | dafire | get an ice trap in front of the priest e.g. |
| 14:48.44 | art3mis | yup |
| 14:48.55 | sylvanaar | yeah, it works alot more in tbc, the instances are roomier |
| 14:48.56 | kenlyric | I imagine /focus makes mind controlling a lot easier now. |
| 14:48.59 | art3mis | ya know what the best part of mc is? |
| 14:49.00 | nevcairiel | warrior intervene and taunt |
| 14:49.00 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:49.08 | art3mis | it lets people drink and eat |
| 14:49.13 | JoshBorke | best part of MC is teh stewards in botanica! |
| 14:49.17 | dafire | you can use fear in most cases if you pull mobs back and don't fight near the next group of mobs |
| 14:49.18 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:49.19 | art3mis | cept th priest but then he can be bandaided |
| 14:49.20 | nevcairiel | the dmg buff |
| 14:49.22 | sylvanaar | yeah, when i bear tanked, the priests never had problems with thier mobs |
| 14:49.35 | art3mis | dafire i have bad fear experience |
| 14:49.41 | JoshBorke | screw the damage buff, there's nothing like watching 2 mobs go down in 5 seconds flat |
| 14:49.45 | kenlyric | I have bad MC experience :) |
| 14:49.50 | art3mis | without fail no matter where i am a fear mob will always bring back a friend |
| 14:50.15 | art3mis | JoshBorke: get the gladiator orcs in shattered and use enrage |
| 14:50.18 | kenlyric | 99% hit, and it couldn't last more than 5 seconds on the Instructor. |
| 14:50.21 | dafire | then you need to pull mobs more back |
| 14:50.23 | art3mis | THOSE are strong mofo's |
| 14:51.09 | dafire | i think in botanica you can mc a mob and buff 350 spelldamage for 30 minutes |
| 14:51.25 | sylvanaar | yeah, see, priests that dont like mc are like warlocks who dont like enslaving demons...just a different playstyle |
| 14:51.47 | dafire | most demons in instances are immune to enslave :( |
| 14:52.06 | JoshBorke | oooo, the gladiators? woot! |
| 14:52.17 | sylvanaar | yeah, enslave demon issues were the reason i quit playing my warlock |
| 14:52.26 | JoshBorke | i had a shadow priest tell me that MC was useless |
| 14:52.38 | JoshBorke | and then we proceeded to wipe on the gene-splicer pulls in bot until i tried MC'ing one |
| 14:52.54 | kenlyric | sylvanaar: I'm a priest who doesn't like enslave demon. |
| 14:53.08 | kenlyric | Fucker ALWAYS breaks and murders the warlock. Always. |
| 14:53.14 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 14:53.15 | JoshBorke | seriously though, MC is a great form of CC |
| 14:53.21 | JoshBorke | when you have no other CC |
| 14:53.24 | art3mis | heh oh and the acolytes in shadow labs have a 2200 shadow buff |
| 14:53.37 | art3mis | right before the mad ogre |
| 14:53.40 | kenlyric | except things don't go very far when your healer isn't healing. |
| 14:53.58 | JoshBorke | i run with a resto druid |
| 14:54.14 | art3mis | heh i had a druid whine about the nerfs last night on guild |
| 14:54.43 | art3mis | my only response was "aww little hybrid healer cant tank as good? better take away your leather armour and custom weapons then" |
| 14:54.44 | sylvanaar | im just going to put my druid on follow and hotkey rejuv lb |
| 14:55.03 | xyu | that's what i do w/ my priest |
| 14:55.05 | yacoob | hybrid healer |
| 14:55.14 | yacoob | half-healer, half-fish, half-lepper gnome |
| 14:55.19 | art3mis | hahaha |
| 14:55.21 | Industrial | lol |
| 14:55.29 | art3mis | thats a mutant healer ;P |
| 14:55.37 | art3mis | but i'd still group with one of those |
| 14:55.56 | yacoob | ...half-ladybug |
| 14:56.21 | sylvanaar | yeah, i like grouping with a SP cause it makes up for some of my classes weaker areas without impacting dps as much |
| 14:57.55 | JoshBorke | unless it's a crappy shadow priest :-/ |
| 14:58.42 | sylvanaar | i was having fun tho enslaving all the demons in hellfire yesterday it was amusing |
| 14:59.11 | xyu | i like to pull that whole entire line of unyielding warriors along that ledge near honor point |
| 14:59.15 | xyu | on my pally |
| 14:59.59 | xyu | then try and get that spell off that hits all undead around me. |
| 15:00.07 | xyu | i've had it cast for like 55 seconds once |
| 15:00.11 | xyu | :D:D |
| 15:00.29 | xyu | or it just finally said interrupted or something |
| 15:03.59 | art3mis | heh |
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| 15:09.06 | xyu | 5. Re: You know you prot grind too much when.. |
| 15:09.07 | xyu | ...when soloing mobs, you think "god I wish a patrol would wander by." |
| 15:09.10 | xyu | rofl that made me laugh |
| 15:09.16 | xyu | cuz its true |
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| 15:10.42 | CIA-18 | 03archarodim * r29643 10Decursive/ (Readme.txt WhatsNew.txt lisez-moi.txt): |
| 15:10.42 | CIA-18 | Decursive: |
| 15:10.42 | CIA-18 | - Readme.txt: The lines are now shorter for a better readability (as Sylvin did in lisez-moi.txt). |
| 15:10.42 | CIA-18 | - lisez-moi.txt: Fixed some typos and tabulations problems. |
| 15:10.42 | CIA-18 | - WhatsNew.txt: Fixed a typo. |
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| 15:19.59 | Saroz | Any mass mailing mod for ace? |
| 15:20.01 | Saroz | hurry! :p |
| 15:20.11 | JoshBorke | Saroz: i use Postal and alt-click |
| 15:20.18 | JoshBorke | but there's another one |
| 15:20.28 | Saroz | Postal, kk |
| 15:21.14 | Gngsk | BulkMail |
| 15:22.11 | Saroz | whats the diff? |
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| 15:26.39 | Saroz | wut, bulkmail is awesome |
| 15:27.15 | deltron | bulkmail is <3 |
| 15:28.36 | JoshBorke | bulkmail is probably more of what you want |
| 15:28.48 | ilifin | spamclicking alt to send stuff really works alot better for me |
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| 15:29.57 | Gngsk | having both enabled at the same time doesn't work very well though |
| 15:31.10 | deltron | bulkmail is the one with the list right? |
| 15:32.48 | Gngsk | yeah |
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| 15:39.06 | xyu | "list" ? |
| 15:39.09 | xyu | like the old gmail mod? |
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| 15:40.05 | deltron | I have too many mods |
| 15:40.50 | art3mis | http://damncoolpics.blogspot.com/2007/02/girl-with-two-heads.html |
| 15:41.15 | Gngsk | I'd totally tap that |
| 15:43.04 | art3mis | teabag and head at the same time! |
| 15:43.18 | art3mis | read the 4rd comment down |
| 15:43.19 | Gngsk | 1 pair of ovaries! |
| 15:43.27 | art3mis | it's totally good reading |
| 15:43.47 | krka | two hearts... totally kickass system |
| 15:43.51 | art3mis | yup |
| 15:43.51 | art3mis | 3.5 lungs |
| 15:44.05 | art3mis | so one head could get cancer and they'd still be fine |
| 15:44.19 | art3mis | s/head/heart/g |
| 15:44.23 | CIA-18 | 03ammo * r29644 10BigWigs/Core.lua: BigWigs: quick fix for cmdtable = nil error in loadondemand. Rabbit can sort out the mess he made later :p |
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| 15:45.04 | krka | i wonder what it's like to share bodily functions with someone else |
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| 15:46.02 | Gngsk | I told you not to eat so much cheese, now we're constipated! |
| 15:46.55 | krka | they have different stomachs though :) |
| 15:46.56 | Gngsk | only 1 exit! |
| 15:46.56 | Loki|muh | i wonder if they ever have sex because every time one of both wants the other wants not *g* |
| 15:47.55 | dafire | can anybody help me with secure template stuff ? i got macro on left click working but i want to do another macro on rightclick.. i highlighted the line in question ;) |
| 15:47.57 | dafire | http://ace.pastey.net/7787 |
| 15:49.28 | krka | do they have an arm for themselves, or do they share those? |
| 15:49.33 | krka | and what about legs? |
| 15:49.35 | krka | who walks? |
| 15:49.40 | krka | do they both walk one leg? |
| 15:49.41 | JoshBorke | dafire: what isn't it macrotext2 ? |
| 15:50.07 | Saroz | anyone know why mrplow isnt running latest periodictable? |
| 15:50.26 | Saroz | ah it is |
| 15:50.27 | Saroz | nm |
| 15:50.28 | nevcairiel | because no one update it? |
| 15:50.30 | nevcairiel | oh :P |
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| 15:51.02 | dafire | JoshBorke: hmm... yes now it works with numbers... thought i tried it |
| 15:54.22 | dafire | hmm.. /focus name don't work :( |
| 15:54.52 | nevcairiel | not? |
| 15:55.00 | nevcairiel | try targetting the person |
| 15:55.02 | nevcairiel | and /focus |
| 15:55.03 | nevcairiel | then |
| 15:55.06 | hugo | hi |
| 15:55.06 | pastamancer | what about /target name ; /focus ; /targetlasttarget ? |
| 15:55.17 | hugo | can some help me with macro pls :D |
| 15:55.38 | abbat_w | /cast [target=name] xxx won't work too? |
| 15:55.38 | dafire | that probably will work but i didn't want to switch targets :) |
| 15:56.04 | pastamancer | abbat_w: nope, it's target=unitid |
| 15:56.05 | hugo | im forgeting to use trinket on my mage alt, can i make macro like, to add the trinket use on my frosbolt, to use the trinket when it's ready and cast frosbolt, and if trinket on cd to just cast frostbolt |
| 15:56.25 | abbat_w | sure |
| 15:56.46 | abbat_w | just add /use 13 (or another slot) before /cast frostbolt |
| 15:57.20 | phyber | if you can life with constant "that's not ready yet. I can't use that yet. I've tried it again even though I can't use it, lolz. ZOMG STILL NOT USABLE" |
| 15:57.23 | phyber | s/life/live/ |
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| 15:58.13 | hugo | abbat_w yeah but it trys use the trinket all times i press the button |
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| 15:58.27 | hugo | can i doit to use only when rdy |
| 15:58.28 | phyber | with the bullshit solution being "turn off error speech". which is lame, because it's still useful for some things. but nooooo, slouken won't add a [noerrors] tag or anything :( |
| 15:58.35 | abbat_w | hugo nope |
| 15:59.27 | hugo | i see |
| 15:59.33 | hugo | so its not goodie to use this |
| 15:59.35 | JoshBorke | you could by adding/removing the macro code between combat events |
| 16:00.35 | phyber | it's useful in combat though. for example, when getting counterspelled and loosing a school of magic. |
| 16:00.56 | abbat_w | i use error monster ;) |
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| 16:02.54 | phyber | hmm, I'll check that out :) |
| 16:03.29 | phyber | actually, looks like that's just for messages. |
| 16:03.39 | phyber | I don't care about those, they're silent :) |
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| 16:21.23 | phyber | the zipscript seems to be zipping things with stupid permissions |
| 16:21.35 | phyber | upon unzipping on linux, the changelogs are chmod 0. |
| 16:22.02 | phyber | no, it's not my umask. |
| 16:22.17 | CIA-18 | 03archarodim * r29645 10Decursive/Dcr_utils.lua: |
| 16:22.17 | CIA-18 | Decursive: |
| 16:22.17 | CIA-18 | - Added error reporting to the function Dcr:tcopy() in Dcr_utils.lua (someone reported a strange bug involving this function...) |
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| 16:25.03 | Adirelle|work | Antiarc|Work: I beg you to release craftbot somewhere (branches/ ?), even in a non-working, pre-alpha state |
| 16:25.32 | Antiarc|Work | Hahahah, is the guy that did EnchantList not expanding his to be comprehensive yet? |
| 16:25.54 | Adirelle|work | now that I managed some of our jewelers and enchanters to try GemList and EnchantList, I'm about to trying to write a more generic version |
| 16:25.55 | Antiarc|Work | I have kinda put the mod scene on hold lately due to being stupidly busy with a billion things |
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| 16:26.21 | Antiarc|Work | I'll put my code up if you like. It mostly works except for a pair of blockers that I just haven't tracked down. |
| 16:26.26 | Adirelle|work | the only thing refraining me is that I know you've already worked on such thing |
| 16:26.41 | Antiarc|Work | One screws up your tradeskill windows for some reason, and the other occassionally causes whispers to just stop being received. |
| 16:26.45 | Antiarc|Work | Both of which are VELLY BAD. |
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| 16:27.00 | Antiarc|Work | My unit tests work as expected though |
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| 16:27.14 | Adirelle|work | you wrote test units ? |
| 16:27.31 | Adirelle|work | s/test units/unit tests/ |
| 16:27.45 | Antiarc|Work | Well, informal ones, yes. |
| 16:27.51 | Adirelle|work | ah |
| 16:27.55 | Antiarc|Work | I tend to write one-liner unit tests that I run on my code via the console |
| 16:28.05 | Antiarc|Work | Which is bad practice, as I should be writing them in the code itself :D |
| 16:28.12 | Antiarc|Work | But it's faster and tends to speed my hackerish development faster |
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| 16:28.18 | Antiarc|Work | I still have some bad dev habits :x |
| 16:28.36 | Adirelle|work | an little unit test framework could have been neat |
| 16:29.21 | Adirelle|work | but I'm not sure some WoW state can be reset |
| 16:30.09 | Antiarc|Work | You'd have to really work to do a true unit testing framework. |
| 16:30.35 | Adirelle|work | clearly |
| 16:30.36 | Antiarc|Work | Especially with dynamic frame creation |
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| 16:31.01 | Adirelle|work | i'm not sure it would worth the effort |
| 16:31.07 | Antiarc|Work | Nah. |
| 16:31.17 | Antiarc|Work | Hm. |
| 16:31.22 | Antiarc|Work | I'm trying to remember... |
| 16:31.36 | Antiarc|Work | I hope I didn't nuke my craftbot dev stuff when I was cleaning out my addons directory. |
| 16:31.40 | Antiarc|Work | That would be bad. |
| 16:31.46 | Antiarc|Work | But I have the distinct impression taht I did. |
| 16:31.49 | Antiarc|Work | But, it wasn't a lot of code. |
| 16:31.53 | Antiarc|Work | So it wouldn't be hard to replicate. |
| 16:32.18 | Adirelle|work | you split off from enchantlist ? |
| 16:32.33 | Antiarc|Work | No, I wrote it from scratch |
| 16:33.50 | Antiarc|Work | Basically, it goes like this: |
| 16:33.56 | Antiarc|Work | Scan tradeskills when the window is opened. |
| 16:34.13 | Antiarc|Work | Hook whispers, look for certain syntax, if syntax is hit, pass off to the specific tradeskill handler. |
| 16:34.29 | Antiarc|Work | Tradeskill handler creates a stringlist, passes it back, whisper handler replies to whisperer. |
| 16:35.12 | Antiarc|Work | No, wait, I didn't nuke craftbot. |
| 16:35.18 | Antiarc|Work | That was another I was working on that wasn't working out. |
| 16:36.08 | CIA-18 | 03nickenyfiken 07Nickenyfiken * r29646 10FuBar_TrainerFu/ (4 files): |
| 16:36.08 | CIA-18 | FuBar_TrainerFu (branch): |
| 16:36.09 | CIA-18 | *Restructured and flattened config menu |
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| 16:37.20 | CIA-18 | 03gagorian * r29647 10DrDamage/ (BuffScanning.lua DrDamage.lua ItemSets.lua): |
| 16:37.20 | CIA-18 | DrDamage: |
| 16:37.20 | CIA-18 | -Single spell update buffs/debuffs should now work properly in localized clients. Added idols and a missing libram and moved them into ItemSets.lua. |
| 16:37.20 | CIA-18 | -Corrected error associated with deleting buffscanning.lua |
| 16:37.25 | CIA-18 | 03nickenyfiken 07Nickenyfiken * r29648 10FuBar_TrainerFu/modules/Trainer.lua: FuBar_TrainerFu: Deleting old file. |
| 16:38.21 | Adirelle|work | do you store the craft list somewhere ? |
| 16:38.32 | Adirelle|work | I mean in SV |
| 16:39.07 | Adirelle|work | (btw, can't manage to get the XML output of armory with curl/wget, is there a trick ?) |
| 16:40.00 | Antiarc|Work | Yes, send a Firefox\2.0 user agent |
| 16:40.14 | Antiarc|Work | Or any user agent that can be recognized as capable of interpreting XML/XSLT |
| 16:40.54 | Adirelle|work | thx |
| 16:41.52 | Adirelle|work | that thing tox |
| 16:41.55 | Adirelle|work | s/tox/rox/ |
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| 16:42.11 | mjc | http://i6.tinypic.com/2hpod9j.jpg |
| 16:42.31 | Adirelle|work | mjc: nice shot |
| 16:42.50 | mjc | its the devil! |
| 16:45.32 | Adirelle|work | crap |
| 16:45.33 | Adirelle|work | <page globalSearch="0" lang="en_gb" requestUrl="/guild-info.xml"> |
| 16:45.33 | Adirelle|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.33 | Adirelle|work | </page> |
| 16:45.38 | Adirelle|work | :( |
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| 16:46.04 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 16:46.47 | CIA-18 | 03fenlis * r29649 10BigWigs/Outland/Gruul.lua: BigWigs: Updated localization koKR |
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| 16:51.37 | Amadeo | hola |
| 16:52.33 | Amadeo | Anyone have issues with Jostle? |
| 16:52.48 | Amadeo | My buffs always seem to stop getting pushed down at various times |
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| 16:54.08 | Rot | hi |
| 16:54.12 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:54.58 | Rot | anyone knows if there's a raid info function in ORa2? something wich shows me all raids mana health and such? |
| 16:55.18 | CIA-18 | 03jerry * r29650 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib: changed pattern "+<number> <string>" in generic pattern so that the starting '+' char is optional. |
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| 16:56.57 | cncfanatics | JJSheets, you're here ? |
| 16:57.05 | cncfanatics | ~seen JJSheets |
| 16:57.30 | purl | jjsheets <n=jjsheets@74-136-100-20.dhcp.insightbb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9h 27m 51s ago, saying: 'night ya'll.'. |
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| 16:59.27 | Nickenyfiken | Have anyone used Tablet onEnterFunc? |
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| 16:59.59 | Nickenyfiken | Tablet-2.0/AddLine to be more specific |
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| 17:05.31 | Elkano | Nickenyfiken, InstanceLoot uses it |
| 17:06.05 | Nickenyfiken | oh ill have a look in there |
| 17:07.04 | Elkano | basicaly, that's what it was added for, the onEnter stuff ^^ |
| 17:09.02 | Nickenyfiken | i thought it could be use in the same way as 'func' but it happens on hover instead of click but i can't get it to work |
| 17:09.03 | Nickenyfiken | weird |
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| 17:09.36 | Elkano | it should work that way... |
| 17:11.10 | Nickenyfiken | oh found out why it wasnt working |
| 17:11.19 | Nickenyfiken | it only works if you have a func too |
| 17:11.27 | Nickenyfiken | is that intended? |
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| 17:12.08 | Elkano | don't think so though the tooltip must be set to clickable in order to not hide |
| 17:12.36 | Nickenyfiken | it is clickable |
| 17:12.51 | Elkano | well, blame ck ;) |
| 17:13.41 | Nickenyfiken | yeah well i intend to have a func too so i guess it doesnt matter for me... i just had it commented out |
| 17:14.08 | Elkano | TrainerFu²? ;) |
| 17:14.51 | CIA-18 | 03fenlis * r29651 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib : Updated locales for koKR |
| 17:14.57 | Nickenyfiken | yup |
| 17:15.39 | Nickenyfiken | i always wanted a tooltip to whow up with info on hoover but when i first made TrainerFu that was not available |
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| 17:16.51 | CIA-18 | 03kagaro * r29652 10Cartographer_Mining/addon.lua: Cartographer_Mining: typo fix |
| 17:16.53 | Elkano | make sure to do a better database structure this time |
| 17:18.03 | Elkano | eg not having the different trainers for the same trade skill seperated by their knowledge level |
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| 17:20.45 | OverloadUT | Is there a merit to having a "reverse lookup" table for your database? For example, I might store every quest in tables by the zone name and quest name, but then what if I wanted to find all quests with "Tools" in the objective name? I would have to iterate through every quest and check each one, unless I had a second table that just listed every objective name and pointed to the quest it was a part of... |
| 17:21.10 | Nickenyfiken | Elkano: yup |
| 17:21.40 | Nickenyfiken | all info is also stored under accound so if one character have ever visited a trainer that info is available to all characters |
| 17:22.02 | Tornhoof | faster lookup overloadut, more overhead for updates |
| 17:22.45 | Elkano | eg: store skills in account, trainers in faction und player data in char |
| 17:23.30 | OverloadUT | I'm thinking that's what I should do then. But it's hard to figure out when using more memory for faster lookup is a problem... |
| 17:24.48 | Tornhoof | hmm overloadut, how do you lookup it currently (quests["zone"])["name"]) style? |
| 17:26.53 | Tornhoof | dunno how good a lookup table works for such a jagged array, can't image it works well |
| 17:27.23 | OverloadUT | Well, I'm overhauling the database, but right now yeah it's db["zone"]["lvl-name"] = {lots of stuff} - which is great if I know the zone and name of the quest I'm looking up. But one problem is I have to store the zone name again in the table as a value, so that's wasted space. I was thinking about having a table that assigns a unique id to each quest name and zone name, so then I can cut memory usage by using that table |
| 17:27.39 | OverloadUT | Then each quest name and zone name only has to be in memory once |
| 17:27.48 | OverloadUT | That's just one dictionary table I'd be doing |
| 17:28.05 | Tornhoof | not much wasted space afaik |
| 17:28.07 | OverloadUT | I'll have to experiment |
| 17:28.12 | Tornhoof | afaik is each string in lua only once in memory |
| 17:28.25 | Tornhoof | i guess you should wait for 2.1 or something |
| 17:28.32 | Tornhoof | when the new memory management stuff is in |
| 17:28.46 | OverloadUT | Well if you do a = "foo";b = "foo" I'm pretty sure "foo" is in memory twice |
| 17:29.01 | Tornhoof | afaik it's just a mem location |
| 17:29.04 | xyu | damn foos |
| 17:29.09 | Tornhoof | lemme give you link |
| 17:29.45 | OverloadUT | So every time you assign a string it checks to see if taht string is already used andshares the ref? Then if you ever modify it, it has to find every other string that points to the same ref and splits them out? |
| 17:29.49 | OverloadUT | Seems like a lot of overhead |
| 17:30.00 | OverloadUT | But then again I always always always underestimate how fast computers are :P |
| 17:30.23 | Elkano | well, if they use some sort of hashing it can get pretty fast |
| 17:30.26 | xyu | speak for yourself! |
| 17:31.29 | Fisker- | I want to rape blizzard so does anyone know if anyone has made some open source signature generators and/or phpbb implementation of wow armory based profiles? |
| 17:31.58 | Tornhoof | http://www.wowwiki.com/Memory_Usage |
| 17:32.05 | Tornhoof | that's where they write strings are immutable |
| 17:32.30 | Tornhoof | so technically all you loose is some memory pointer |
| 17:34.27 | cncfanatics | Xuerian around ? |
| 17:35.00 | nevcairiel | X wont be around for a while |
| 17:35.03 | nevcairiel | read the XLoot thread. |
| 17:35.32 | cncfanatics | :o, just found a bug :p |
| 17:35.45 | Fisker- | he was my favorite raep subject right after sylvanaar |
| 17:35.46 | OverloadUT | Tornhoof: Thanks! That helps a lot |
| 17:35.52 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: fix it then |
| 17:35.53 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 17:36.15 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, dont feel like it |
| 17:36.21 | Fisker- | lazy |
| 17:36.51 | Ironhand | I've started using SimpleCombatLog and I just noticed that messages related to the user him/herself crafting items are not shown even when all options are switched on (all filters & events) |
| 17:37.07 | Ironhand | (for example: "You create Heavy Netherweave Bandage") |
| 17:37.30 | nevcairiel | yeah SCL is kinda weird imho |
| 17:37.45 | Ironhand | shame because I otherwise like what it does |
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| 17:38.52 | neenee | Hello |
| 17:38.54 | neenee | installed vista |
| 17:39.02 | neenee | so far it has degraded performance |
| 17:39.15 | xyu | what version? |
| 17:39.17 | neenee | But I'm getting beta nvidia drivers now |
| 17:39.18 | neenee | ultimate |
| 17:39.24 | Elkano | you did expect anything else? Oo |
| 17:39.32 | xyu | good luck. hope you don't get the "stopped responding and has recovered" error |
| 17:39.37 | nevcairiel | the latest final nvidia drivers are good too |
| 17:39.39 | neenee | Nope, but I did not expect a drastic decrease :) |
| 17:39.49 | neenee | xyu: No such problem yet |
| 17:39.52 | xyu | i didn't get a drastic decrease |
| 17:40.01 | xyu | neenee: you won't get it until you run a few d3d programs |
| 17:40.02 | xyu | at the same time |
| 17:40.10 | neenee | ah |
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| 17:40.13 | neenee | I doubt I'll be doing that |
| 17:40.17 | nevcairiel | 100.65 final are good drivers. |
| 17:40.28 | neenee | I'm trying 101.41 or such |
| 17:40.34 | xyu | The new 101.41 is just out i'd try those |
| 17:40.38 | xyu | tons of bug fixes in there |
| 17:40.41 | xyu | plus SLI support :) |
| 17:41.02 | neenee | I think I need to reinstall WoW though, to have the Creative Alchemy (X-Fi thing) see it though :| |
| 17:41.18 | xyu | neat, how is that? |
| 17:41.19 | nevcairiel | at least you have an X-Fi |
| 17:41.25 | nevcairiel | i have a audigy 4 |
| 17:41.29 | nevcairiel | no alchemy support what so ever |
| 17:41.40 | xyu | i'm using onboard audigy 24bit and i do have to say it's terrible ^^ |
| 17:41.50 | neenee | xyu: Not a clue, I need to reinstall WoW first. |
| 17:42.08 | neenee | rebooting now for nvidia drivers and services configuration |
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| 17:45.26 | neenee | okay, rebooted. Reinstalling WoW :| |
| 17:45.45 | xyu | hopefully you have the dvd :D |
| 17:45.59 | neenee | nope |
| 17:46.27 | xyu | it's 2 USD in taiwan at any local 7-11. |
| 17:46.33 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:46.34 | neenee | :) |
| 17:46.51 | xyu | and there are about 4 billion 7-11s per city |
| 17:47.17 | NeoTron | Bizarre |
| 17:47.22 | xyu | i can be standing in a 7-11 and see another one out of the window |
| 17:47.25 | NeoTron | the return of the Commodore brand gaming computers |
| 17:47.27 | neenee | I disabled the transparency stuff on my desktop, I hope that helps performance |
| 17:47.35 | NeoTron | except I'm sure it's just a generic alienware type system |
| 17:47.43 | NeoTron | but I guess it remains to be seen |
| 17:47.51 | Loki|muh | what is a 7-11? |
| 17:47.58 | xyu | a convenient store |
| 17:47.59 | Elkano | anyone having an idea how to make a status bar fill from right to left? |
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| 17:51.43 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://www.wowace.com/files | http://ace.pastey.net | http://www.lua.org | WAU 1.7-final http://sf.net/projects/wowaceupdater. | You gotta break some lions to make an omlet |
| 17:52.01 | OverloadUT | neenee: Do you watch the Simpsons? |
| 17:52.08 | OverloadUT | wait wrong person |
| 17:52.10 | neenee | OverloadUT: When it's on, yes |
| 17:52.17 | neenee | OverloadUT: And I downloaded all seasons so far |
| 17:52.19 | neenee | :D |
| 17:52.58 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:53.06 | OverloadUT | Well for anyone who doesn't know 7-11: The kwik-e-mart in the Simpsons is a parody of 7-11 - Apu sells "Squishies" which is a parody of 7-11's well known "Slurpees" |
| 17:53.09 | nevcairiel | i have all seasons on my harddrive as well :p |
| 17:53.21 | neenee | ah :) |
| 17:53.40 | neenee | woo, cd2 |
| 17:55.09 | neenee | wow. Even moving around windows is laggy |
| 17:56.06 | Industrial | <apu-voice>please come again</apu-voice> |
| 17:56.19 | neenee | Hi everybody! |
| 17:56.20 | neenee | :) |
| 17:56.52 | neenee | I'm probably not using a lot of tweaks out there *googles* |
| 17:57.02 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 17:57.31 | nevcairiel | somehow that Hi everybody! rang a bell, but i cant put my finger on it now. |
| 17:57.32 | nevcairiel | ah i got it |
| 17:57.34 | nevcairiel | dr nick. |
| 17:57.36 | neenee | :) |
| 17:57.37 | neenee | Yea |
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| 17:57.53 | neenee | Great guy, unless you're actually his patient |
| 18:01.17 | Ordog | what is 7-11 ? |
| 18:01.31 | Ordog | some us only sitcom? |
| 18:01.35 | neenee | egh. |
| 18:01.38 | neenee | Scroll up :) |
| 18:01.45 | neenee | OverloadUT explained it. |
| 18:01.59 | neenee | The term originates from shops which used to be open from 7am to 11pm |
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| 18:02.12 | Ordog | ah ok ^^ |
| 18:02.18 | Industrial | we need that here, 24h shops. |
| 18:02.19 | neenee | Nowadays they're mostly open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and are multi-purpouse. |
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| 18:02.28 | Industrial | like lazy right next to my house. |
| 18:02.30 | neenee | You can buy food and hammers, things like that. |
| 18:02.50 | sdouble | rope and duct tape. |
| 18:02.54 | sdouble | But no shovels. =/ |
| 18:02.55 | OverloadUT | I don't actually know of any 7-11s in my city |
| 18:03.01 | Industrial | ha sdouble |
| 18:03.07 | Ordog | its prohibed for regular shops to open between 8pm and 7am ... |
| 18:03.21 | neenee | woo. almost on cd3 |
| 18:03.32 | Ordog | here* |
| 18:03.49 | Ordog | we got gas stations as last resort |
| 18:03.57 | sdouble | ah, the 2.0.10 patch warriors have been waiting for |
| 18:04.12 | Ordog | dudus nerfed in this patch? |
| 18:04.23 | neenee | dudus? |
| 18:04.26 | Ordog | druids |
| 18:04.37 | neenee | a little bit |
| 18:04.55 | kergoth | meh, i need to write another few vim plugins |
| 18:04.55 | neenee | Enough others complained already, so no need for anyone else to do so :) |
| 18:04.57 | sdouble | not sure, just saw postings on the wow forum about the 2.0.10 patch being beneficial to warriors. officially said |
| 18:05.49 | neenee | I wonder - Do I need to patch WoW to apply TBC> |
| 18:05.50 | neenee | *? |
| 18:06.03 | ZealotOnAStick | no |
| 18:06.12 | sdouble | you're going to have to patch to hell after TBC |
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| 18:06.28 | ZealotOnAStick | TBC will take you to . . . 2.0.1 level or so, then you'll have a couple of patches after the expansion install. |
| 18:06.31 | sdouble | so I hope you didn't delete all of your patches from the wow directory |
| 18:06.33 | Elkano | 2.0.0 -> 2.0.8/10 |
| 18:06.58 | kergoth | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=4134 lkooks neat, somebody convert it to cartographer instead of using notesuneed |
| 18:07.02 | neenee | okay, I renamed my working installation, so I'll copy over all the patch files |
| 18:07.14 | sdouble | if not, they'll install immediately. if you did, however, you'll have to download some of the big 259 MB patches again |
| 18:07.40 | Ominous | what is the proper way to revert a folder on svn to a previous revision |
| 18:08.46 | kergoth | Ominous: that depends on what you mean by 'revert' |
| 18:08.57 | kergoth | ditch local modifications, or undo what a revision did? |
| 18:09.35 | Ominous | no, revert to a previous commited revision |
| 18:09.48 | Ominous | so say at rev 10 at the moment and you want to revert to rev 8 |
| 18:11.47 | kergoth | are you planning on checking this reversion in? |
| 18:11.50 | kergoth | or is it local only? |
| 18:11.56 | kergoth | checkout and update can accept a revision argument. |
| 18:12.54 | Ominous | no commiting it |
| 18:13.07 | Industrial | kergoth: |
| 18:13.11 | Industrial | we so need that for cartographer |
| 18:13.19 | Industrial | but its alot of work |
| 18:13.36 | neenee | installing tbc |
| 18:13.49 | Industrial | even if you have the guide, adding all the NPC locs and shit |
| 18:13.57 | Industrial | (for a questing guide) |
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| 18:14.03 | kergoth | Industrial: aye, what sucks is that the guides arent in a form thats programmatically parsable (easily), so you'd have to pull out any coords and such manually |
| 18:14.11 | kergoth | time consuming |
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| 18:14.25 | Industrial | yeah |
| 18:14.40 | Industrial | well you can check wowhead programmatically |
| 18:14.43 | Industrial | probably |
| 18:14.50 | Industrial | for coords |
| 18:14.57 | Kelben | hmmm - vharr's rabbit? |
| 18:15.07 | Industrial | yes |
| 18:15.18 | kergoth | hmm, true, for simple quests where there's only one place you need to go anyway |
| 18:15.47 | Industrial | yes |
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| 18:16.42 | Kelben | vhaarr - we ended up doing netherspite last night and I had to use Deadly Boss mods for the banish timer, am I just using an older version of BW or was that timer not added? |
| 18:17.01 | Ominous | Kergoth: any ideas? |
| 18:17.51 | kergoth | again, if the changes ar elocal only, just svn up -r8 |
| 18:18.07 | kergoth | if you really want to revert, not just check out taht revision, use svn merge |
| 18:18.07 | yacoob | gah |
| 18:18.13 | Ominous | ok |
| 18:18.15 | kergoth | cd foo; svn merge -rHEAD:8 . |
| 18:18.16 | yacoob | someone slashed the tires of 14 cars around here |
| 18:18.20 | kergoth | or so |
| 18:18.22 | kergoth | yacoob: damn |
| 18:18.26 | yacoob | curiously, only those cars which were parked incorrectly 8) |
| 18:18.31 | kergoth | hahah |
| 18:18.41 | yacoob | this is what I call mixed feeling |
| 18:19.15 | yacoob | because the problem with some folks parking like dumb fucks has been around here for some time. Apparently someone got tired of asking. |
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| 18:28.18 | CIA-18 | 03ominous * r29653 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (12 files in 4 dirs): FuBar_RogueTimerFu, reverted properly. should fix locale problem |
| 18:29.15 | Fisker- | I want to rape blizzard so does anyone know if anyone has made some open source signature generators and/or phpbb implementation of wow armory based profiles? |
| 18:31.08 | Fisker- | mitch0 |
| 18:31.11 | Fisker- | You there? |
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| 18:40.35 | neenee | updating to 2.0.3 |
| 18:43.59 | deltron | whee! nerf bats all around |
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| 18:44.10 | deltron | Fisker-: rpgoutfitter |
| 18:44.25 | Fisker- | does that rape blizzard? |
| 18:44.31 | deltron | umm |
| 18:44.34 | deltron | no |
| 18:44.43 | Fisker- | then do not want :) |
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| 18:52.35 | neenee | okay, performance is okay-ish now |
| 18:53.08 | Ironhand | I'm sorry to say that despite the other week's supposed fix, Detox is still unreliable |
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| 19:04.15 | sylvanaar | have you been working on it? |
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| 19:09.33 | CIA-18 | 03rabbit * r29654 10BigWigs/Core.lua: BigWigs: Core: Possible bugfix. |
| 19:13.53 | sylvanaar | whatcha mean rape blizzard? |
| 19:14.10 | NeoTron | so I think I'm going to drop mining and pick up tailoring |
| 19:14.18 | NeoTron | the crafted sets are so dang good |
| 19:14.46 | NeoTron | expensive, but good |
| 19:20.23 | sylvanaar | i guess i need to herb |
| 19:20.51 | sylvanaar | i dropped LW i dont want to relevel it |
| 19:22.12 | pastamancer | the "heal me" thread is awesome |
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| 19:23.05 | KarlThePagan | the crafted healing set is godly for a priest |
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| 19:23.52 | KarlThePagan | not as good as old T2 but quite nice |
| 19:24.28 | deltron | much more int/stam |
| 19:24.34 | deltron | that's all that matters nowadays |
| 19:25.41 | Feldia | umm |
| 19:25.45 | Feldia | do you mean the primal mooncltoh set? |
| 19:25.47 | Feldia | that shit is garbage |
| 19:25.53 | Feldia | have fun getting raped with 5500 hp |
| 19:29.12 | deltron | what's the fixation with rape in here today? |
| 19:29.29 | NeoTron | primal mooncloth is 3 items |
| 19:29.36 | evl | Rape is no laughing matter unless you're raping a clown. |
| 19:29.38 | NeoTron | it can be combined with other items that have more stamina |
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| 19:30.25 | sylvanaar | in which case its perverse and perversion is funny which brings us back to rape |
| 19:30.56 | deltron | vicious circle |
| 19:31.24 | stavmar | evl: lmao |
| 19:31.25 | sylvanaar | how you balance out sta v mana is situational |
| 19:31.29 | kenlyric | meh, rape is a good word. It's too bound up in sexual assualt, but it' s a good, descriptive word. |
| 19:33.15 | NeoTron | unless you've been the victim of it |
| 19:33.18 | NeoTron | then it's proably not so good |
| 19:33.34 | sylvanaar | loading up on int is good for fights approx 2min or less |
| 19:34.38 | Fisker- | Anyone know how i can remove files with wildcard masks in linux? |
| 19:34.55 | NeoTron | use 'fil#' |
| 19:35.01 | NeoTron | '' prevents expansion |
| 19:35.02 | pastamancer | kenlyric: well, if you use a manafiend... |
| 19:35.23 | kenlyric | shadowfiend on curator = rape |
| 19:36.30 | pastamancer | so I hear |
| 19:36.34 | sylvanaar | all those fights - arcane missles straight in my face |
| 19:36.46 | sylvanaar | if not missles then explosions |
| 19:37.59 | sylvanaar | and...the arcane only corrupts.. |
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| 19:40.58 | neenee | ;) |
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| 19:53.08 | deltron | i'm hoping we can clear to curator tonight :P |
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| 19:54.03 | Colbychee | Hello =) |
| 19:54.24 | grzesieq | Uhm, do you guys need Aran logs for bigwigs? |
| 19:54.36 | Colbychee | how can I get my addon list to update? I click View > Reload index, but nothing comes in the bottom pane |
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| 19:54.44 | Colbychee | should i try a different source? |
| 19:55.36 | Colbychee | hrm they show in the top pane.. wth ;/ heh |
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| 19:57.04 | Colbychee | any rogues in here? |
| 19:57.12 | deltron | sup |
| 19:57.23 | deltron | not my main, but got one |
| 19:57.52 | Ominous | yes |
| 19:58.11 | Ominous | colbychee: what do you need? |
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| 19:59.36 | Colbychee | Curious of some useful ace mods for rogues. which ones you use (think every rogue should have) |
| 19:59.54 | [dRaCo] | kenergy is pretty useful |
| 20:00.27 | Ominous | heh... FuBar_RogueTimerFu, ItemEnchantApplication, FuBar_PoisonReminderFu, and an energy ticker that i dont use |
| 20:00.33 | Colbychee | whats that do [dRaCo] ? |
| 20:00.41 | Ominous | its an energy ticker |
| 20:00.44 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 20:00.47 | deltron | i just use ag_uf on my rogue and that one that does the weapon buffs |
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| 20:06.48 | Funkeh` | hey all |
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| 20:09.59 | deltron | yo |
| 20:11.02 | Antiarc|Work | I'm writing my first armory app :D |
| 20:11.20 | deltron | Antiarc|Work: sweet :D |
| 20:11.22 | Antiarc|Work | It goes through all the battlegroups/team sizes and finds which classes/specs are in the top 5 teams, and aggregates 'em all. |
| 20:11.34 | Antiarc|Work | So in a moment I'll be able to tell you what the most overpowered class in the arena is. |
| 20:11.36 | deltron | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/03/06/number-breakdown-on-classes-in-5v5-arenas/ |
| 20:11.44 | Antiarc|Work | Heh |
| 20:12.17 | Amadeo | Warrior is no surprise |
| 20:12.20 | Antiarc|Work | That's really surprising, actually. |
| 20:12.27 | Antiarc|Work | Lock/shadowpriest has topped all the teams I've seen. |
| 20:12.31 | Amadeo | Warriors with the best gear are always unstoppable, it's just that nobody has the best gear |
| 20:12.37 | Amadeo | well...I shouldn't say nobody :) |
| 20:12.38 | Antiarc|Work | Crazy heals + crazy HP + crazy damage + crazy CC |
| 20:13.06 | Amadeo | I think that's the best 2v2 combo |
| 20:13.10 | Amadeo | Mage/Priest works well also |
| 20:13.18 | neenee | Hm.. I think I disabled too many services. Control Panel shows nothing now and auto-closed after 8-or-so seconds :P |
| 20:13.26 | Antiarc|Work | I should run separate reports on 2v2/3v3/5v5 |
| 20:13.31 | Antiarc|Work | Actually, I am. Doh. |
| 20:13.39 | deltron | a pvp group I used to roll with used to have one of their warriors defend the LM flag |
| 20:14.01 | deltron | granted he was in full naxx gear heh |
| 20:14.26 | Amadeo | My gear sucks, but I still kick ass in BGs...in Arenas I depend so much on my teammates, so it depends |
| 20:14.49 | deltron | i've not tried arenas yet |
| 20:15.17 | Amadeo | I haven't on a team |
| 20:16.30 | Antiarc|Work | 2v2: 34 priests, 28 locks, 19 rogues, 18 mages, 11 warriors, 6 druids, 5 hunters, 5 shaman |
| 20:16.30 | cncfanatics | omg, whats wrong with wowwiki ? |
| 20:16.59 | Antiarc|Work | 3v3: 3 hunters, 18 rogues, 6 druids, 16 mages, 9 shaman, 25 paladins, 19 warlocks, 28 priests |
| 20:17.19 | Antiarc|Work | Oh, and 16 warriors |
| 20:17.42 | Antiarc|Work | 5v5: 5 hunters, 29 warriors, 11 rogues, 8 druids, 14 shaman, 29 paladins, 17 mages, 9 warlocks, 18 priests |
| 20:17.48 | kenlyric | any healers use grid here find it difficult to gauge how much health a person is down? |
| 20:18.23 | neenee | Ah. I needed Software Licensing enabled. |
| 20:18.32 | neenee | kenlyric: I use grid but have no problem |
| 20:19.06 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc|Work: how are you getting those numbers |
| 20:19.21 | Amadeo | so does this patch have the stuff in it that allows you to see the resources your addons are using? |
| 20:19.24 | Antiarc|Work | Arrowmaster: Sucking down data from the Armory |
| 20:19.44 | Antiarc|Work | that's the class distribution in the top 5 teams in each bracket across all battlegroups |
| 20:20.10 | Arrowmaster | you pulling down the xml before the xslt gets added? |
| 20:20.23 | CIA-18 | 03ominous * r29655 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (10 files in 4 dirs): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: Removed AceModuleCore |
| 20:20.24 | Antiarc|Work | Of course |
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| 20:20.54 | Arrowmaster | every time i try to do that i still end up with a formated page |
| 20:21.05 | Antiarc|Work | Send a Firefox user agent |
| 20:21.16 | Antiarc|Work | It sends HTML if it thinks you're using an agent that can't interpret XSLT |
| 20:21.16 | kagaro | sup |
| 20:21.21 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 20:21.25 | Arrowmaster | im using seamonkey |
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| 20:22.37 | kagaro | anyone seeing node dissapear in cart mining? |
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| 20:23.29 | Uhuru | Hi there |
| 20:23.39 | CIA-18 | 03derkyle * r29656 10BagSync/BagSync.lua: |
| 20:23.40 | CIA-18 | BagSync: |
| 20:23.40 | CIA-18 | - Update: Fixed the bag checks for bank and made them priority for checking rather then to put on queue. So that items put in bank aren't scanned after a user closes the bank window. |
| 20:24.13 | Uhuru | cg_mount don't save the sets choose in mount and dismount options after a relog |
| 20:24.42 | Uhuru | I tried to reset my profile but problem is the same |
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| 20:25.41 | Amadeo | kergoth: I can't seem to drag kEnergy all the way to the left of my screen |
| 20:25.55 | Amadeo | it stops about a half an inch from the edge |
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| 20:26.56 | JoshBorke | did you try again after stopping the half inch? |
| 20:27.03 | JoshBorke | perhaps dragging right then dragging left? |
| 20:27.34 | Amadeo | yeah,it just stops there, I think it's the code that stops it at the edge |
| 20:27.40 | Amadeo | but not making it to the edge |
| 20:27.56 | Amadeo | right side is fine |
| 20:28.00 | kergoth | hmm, thats really odd |
| 20:28.30 | Amadeo | I run 1280x960 |
| 20:29.09 | kergoth | its clamped to screen, maybe thats acting up.. are other addons that clamp to screen able to go farther than that? |
| 20:29.18 | kergoth | it should be able to get within a few pixels of it |
| 20:29.37 | JoshBorke | it looks like he's saving the GetLeft/GetTop values. perhaps it has something to do with that? |
| 20:29.42 | Antiarc|Work | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/results.html |
| 20:29.43 | Antiarc|Work | Tada! |
| 20:30.00 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: did you ever work on healwatch more? |
| 20:30.06 | Antiarc|Work | Nope. |
| 20:30.11 | kergoth | wait, i bet i know what it is... |
| 20:30.13 | JoshBorke | erm, healcap i mean |
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| 20:30.23 | Amadeo | kergoth: If Sage uses it, it's working ok :) |
| 20:30.34 | Ironhand | vhaarr: to get back on the issue from the other week, Detox still appears to be unreliable for me... |
| 20:30.44 | pastamancer | Amadeo: that sounds consistent with clamped to screen addons |
| 20:30.46 | Chompers | has anyone else besides me lost all their cartographer mining data? |
| 20:31.09 | kergoth | Amadeo: its the icon. the kenergy frame is setallpoints'd to the candybar, but candybar can have an icon.. maybe i'm setallpoints'ing to the wrong candybar frame |
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| 20:31.15 | kergoth | s/its the/it may be the/ |
| 20:31.21 | kergoth | i cant think of anything else |
| 20:31.28 | Amadeo | ah interesting! |
| 20:31.40 | Amadeo | no big deal, I just noticed it since I just started my Rogue |
| 20:31.46 | kagaro | Chompers: did you check you saved variables fiel and see if the data is there |
| 20:31.47 | kergoth | i'll fix it tonight when i get home from work |
| 20:31.58 | Chompers | ill go check now kagaro |
| 20:32.06 | Amadeo | I bet that's it |
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| 20:32.27 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: btw, what is that results.html? |
| 20:32.28 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 20:32.29 | nevcairiel | i wonder |
| 20:32.37 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: don't, you could hurt yourself |
| 20:32.42 | nevcairiel | does anyone know the sw stats protocol? |
| 20:32.46 | Antiarc|Work | That's the current class breakdown of the top 5 arena teams across all battlegroups |
| 20:32.52 | nevcairiel | i was thinking about a simple addon, to screw the stats :P |
| 20:32.55 | Antiarc|Work | With each class broken down into specs |
| 20:32.59 | Chompers | its completly empty :O |
| 20:33.14 | Chompers | what on earth happened, i had nodes for every area :< |
| 20:33.29 | kagaro | did you copy someone elses saved variables file? |
| 20:33.39 | Antiarc|Work | I love how all the top mages are frost/arcane |
| 20:33.43 | Chompers | i have not changed it for a few weeks |
| 20:33.51 | Chompers | its since i updated today |
| 20:34.13 | kagaro | when you entered the game did you get a message saying "Error converting data?" |
| 20:34.16 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: why? |
| 20:34.19 | kergoth | Antiarc|Work: what spec are the top rogues? |
| 20:34.29 | Chompers | no error as far as i know |
| 20:34.34 | Antiarc|Work | 2v2, Combat/Assassination |
| 20:34.40 | Antiarc|Work | Surprisingly |
| 20:34.43 | Antiarc|Work | I'd expect mutilate |
| 20:34.46 | Chompers | my herb data and quest data are fine |
| 20:34.48 | kagaro | let me see if it does it to me |
| 20:34.55 | Antiarc|Work | Sub/Assassination for 3v3 |
| 20:34.58 | Antiarc|Work | (Hemo) |
| 20:35.09 | Antiarc|Work | Assassination/Combat for 5v5 (Mutilate) |
| 20:35.12 | nevcairiel | JoshBorke: because too many people just play for stats. |
| 20:35.24 | kergoth | huh, thats interesting |
| 20:35.26 | Antiarc|Work | The 2v2 combat disparity might just be Adrenaline Rush |
| 20:35.33 | Antiarc|Work | Pop that and just blow someone over. |
| 20:35.42 | yacoob | hyperactive warrior? |
| 20:35.50 | yacoob | "omg! omg! look at me, I'm slashing!" |
| 20:35.52 | Antiarc|Work | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/results.html if you want to see for yourself |
| 20:36.01 | Antiarc|Work | I'm gonna resort it, but that'll do for now |
| 20:36.16 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: skewing the stats won't fix it, just make them look for another mod. other people use SW Stats and the like constructively |
| 20:36.43 | cncfanatics | ~seen JJSheets |
| 20:37.10 | purl | jjsheets <n=jjsheets@74-136-100-20.dhcp.insightbb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 13h 7m 31s ago, saying: 'night ya'll.'. |
| 20:37.10 | OverloadUT|Work | ~seen cncfanatics |
| 20:37.12 | purl | cncfanatics is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 29s, last said: '~seen JJSheets'. |
| 20:37.12 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 20:37.17 | nevcairiel | JoshBorke: it doesnt matter which mod. any damage meter will make them want to be on the top. |
| 20:37.42 | JoshBorke | hell, during a botanica run the shadow priest we had did just slightly more DPS than me (about 20k), i spent half my time doing DPS, the other half helping heal and MC'ing. that shows me the shadow priest isn't so great |
| 20:38.09 | kergoth | i use meters to judge my performance based on my previous performance, rather than as a rank amongst the raid.. but thats probably not the common case |
| 20:38.13 | nevcairiel | i dont care about 5mans :p |
| 20:38.38 | JoshBorke | but the effective result is the same |
| 20:38.49 | JoshBorke | meters of any type are going to be misused |
| 20:38.49 | kagaro | wtf |
| 20:39.07 | OverloadUT|Work | I rmemeber when DamageMeters first came out years ago, I thought it made raids less fun :( |
| 20:39.11 | shieldb | meters can be very useful under some conditions but you have to understand the limitations and applications of them whenever you do use them :) |
| 20:39.16 | kagaro | ok Chompes it just nuked mine too, copy your backup file off while i figure out wha tthe deal is |
| 20:39.26 | Chompers | it wiped my backup too :< |
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| 20:39.38 | OverloadUT|Work | Especially as a warlock. I'll have mages brag about being on the top of the damage meters when I spent the whole time putting Curse of Elements on mobs to increase their dps :rolleyes: |
| 20:39.44 | JoshBorke | exactly as shieldb says. good guilds and good players know the role of meters. crappy people don't and it should be on the fellow guild members to educate them |
| 20:40.16 | shieldb | it's fun how many of the new karazhan encounters / trash screw with meters :) |
| 20:40.19 | Codayus | One of the many cool things about PoM - it makes healing meters very innacurate. :-) |
| 20:40.34 | Chompers | kagaro, sorry to hear that |
| 20:40.35 | shieldb | like trying to gauge dps or healing on netherspite, or gauging dps on the arcane anomalies |
| 20:40.39 | Ordog | we got people in the guild that claim especially threatmeters to be lame and taking away a big chunk of gameplay |
| 20:40.44 | Chompers | but at least its not me just being crazy |
| 20:40.45 | kagaro | there is a thread on the cart forums will all the mining nodes in it |
| 20:40.49 | Codayus | So much so, in fact, that there's really no point in priests looking at them any more... |
| 20:41.12 | Ordog | thats true but what can you do else to educate the not that skilled ^^ |
| 20:41.42 | nevcairiel | JoshBorke: some people just cant be educated. i wish i could, but its impossible with some mages. |
| 20:41.46 | ckknight | aw, damn |
| 20:41.50 | ckknight | WoW update |
| 20:41.51 | shieldb | Ordog, decent players use threatmeters as a tool, bad players use it as a crutch, retarded players refuse to consider using it :) |
| 20:41.56 | ckknight | crappy slow connection |
| 20:42.03 | yacoob | thing is, with UI broken by default as Blizz provides that, it's something a middle point between scripting everything and as much as you can (bringing you down to button-massher) and do-it-all-by-yourself, turning you into human computer |
| 20:42.27 | yacoob | neither is fun |
| 20:42.44 | neenee | Often meters/displays are used to brag too though, not just as 'tools for only good players' :) |
| 20:42.58 | kenlyric | my guild leader wants a change to the way that damage is reported. Any damage you do that's caused by someone else's buff, gets credited to them :) |
| 20:43.17 | yacoob | kenlyric, lemme guess, he's an accountant? :) |
| 20:43.23 | kenlyric | worse. |
| 20:43.25 | kenlyric | shadow priest |
| 20:44.13 | ckknight | what buffs are that? Retribution Aura, Thorns? |
| 20:44.23 | shieldb | misery and shadow weaving I'd imagine |
| 20:44.29 | yacoob | ckknight, MotW |
| 20:44.38 | kenlyric | shadow vuln, misery, CoE, CoS, imp spirit etc etc etc. |
| 20:44.38 | yacoob | it buffs you so you deal more dmg 8) |
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| 20:44.52 | ckknight | lol |
| 20:45.05 | ckknight | Blessing of Might would do that, too |
| 20:45.10 | yacoob | in fact, it's even more complicated |
| 20:45.15 | kenlyric | Battle shout |
| 20:45.23 | yacoob | when you heal someone, you're basically extending his poor life, so he deals more dmg |
| 20:45.35 | yacoob | also, dmg done by your opponents should be counted |
| 20:45.36 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:45.39 | yacoob | if you're not killing them |
| 20:45.43 | yacoob | see? it's complicated issue. |
| 20:46.28 | kenlyric | with one priest, one pally, and one druid in karazhan, a healing meter is pretty worthless. The only healing meter that matters is "who died, and why" |
| 20:46.28 | neenee | Only as complicated as you want it to be :) |
| 20:46.54 | yacoob | neenee, you cannot just play the game, you know? Everything must be counted, logged and categorized. |
| 20:47.12 | yacoob | only by keeping systematic log, one can achieve perfection. |
| 20:47.26 | neenee | yacoob: It all depends on ones' definition of perfection :) |
| 20:48.28 | yacoob | I'm a lumber^W^Wan accountant and I'm ok! |
| 20:48.35 | neenee | Though, what about resurrecting someone? Should all damage done after resurrecting someone be counted as damage done by the one resurrecting? |
| 20:48.50 | Chompers | kagaro: its happened again |
| 20:48.58 | Chompers | when i log out, i loose all the data |
| 20:49.07 | Chompers | i guess its not just a one off bug thing |
| 20:49.12 | kagaro | im working on the problem right now |
| 20:49.23 | Chompers | that was fast :D |
| 20:49.47 | kagaro | found the problem i think |
| 20:49.55 | yacoob | "- Can you... oh! thanks!" |
| 20:50.00 | Chompers | oh yeah? what was causing it |
| 20:50.10 | kagaro | a check I put in for bad data |
| 20:50.30 | ckknight | yacoob: you should really fix that whole ^W thing, nowadays you can actually use this thing called "backspace" to _actually_ get rid of a word |
| 20:51.16 | yacoob | too late |
| 20:51.23 | yacoob | the shortcuts are hardcoded in my hardware |
| 20:52.44 | CIA-18 | 03kagaro * r29657 10Cartographer_Mining/addon.lua: Cartographer_Mining: fixed a bug causing data to be nuked. If you lost data go see the thread on the forums for mining data |
| 20:53.07 | Amadeo | Wow, Female BE Rogues have the best Stealth position when they're standing still, that's awesome |
| 20:53.30 | kergoth | female be rogues look awesome in general |
| 20:53.38 | yacoob | is their head slanted as well? |
| 20:53.49 | kagaro | Chompers: can you test the change out? it works for me now |
| 20:54.00 | Chompers | sure |
| 20:54.04 | JoshBorke | Kaelten: ping |
| 20:54.13 | Kaelten | sup? |
| 20:54.23 | JoshBorke | Kaelten: is there a status file on KCI2? |
| 20:54.26 | Chompers | just gotta wait for the update to appear on the server |
| 20:54.29 | Kaelten | status file? |
| 20:54.39 | JoshBorke | like, how usable it is and what features it has/doesn't have |
| 20:54.47 | Kaelten | oh no |
| 20:55.05 | JoshBorke | :-/ |
| 20:55.09 | kagaro | Chompers: gran the svn copy |
| 20:55.13 | JoshBorke | i didn't want to bug you with questions |
| 20:55.19 | Amadeo | yacoob: Slanted, yes...think Giada from FoodTV :P |
| 20:55.26 | JoshBorke | it's got linkview right? |
| 20:55.34 | Kaelten | no linkview is missing still |
| 20:55.38 | Kaelten | it has limited tooltip abilit |
| 20:55.39 | JoshBorke | :'( |
| 20:55.39 | Kaelten | y |
| 20:55.42 | Kaelten | everything else is there |
| 20:55.57 | yacoob | it's amazing what amount of magical forces BE can apply to their spines to be able to function properly, despite this slanteness... :) |
| 20:56.06 | Chompers | kagaro: sure, how would i go about doing that ? :P |
| 20:56.23 | kenlyric | still the prettiest |
| 20:56.25 | kagaro | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Cartographer_Mining |
| 20:56.31 | kagaro | just replace your addon.lua file |
| 20:57.01 | JoshBorke | Kaelten: anything I can help with? |
| 20:57.28 | Chompers | testing now: |
| 20:58.49 | Chompers | data is there, however |
| 20:59.26 | Chompers | every node is a '?' and i get an error: 'attempt to index_global 'Bo' (a nil value)' |
| 20:59.39 | Chompers | in addon.lua line 277: one count |
| 21:00.41 | Antiarc|Work | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/results.html - now the top 10, and sorted. |
| 21:01.40 | shieldb | Antiarc|Work, what constitutes "unknown" for a particular build? |
| 21:01.56 | Antiarc|Work | shieldb: "Character needs a refresh" when I tried to pull their character sheet |
| 21:02.00 | Antiarc|Work | So I couldn't get talent data. |
| 21:02.05 | shieldb | ahh |
| 21:02.11 | Kaelten | JoshBorke: maybe, let me finish this letter I'm working on and then we can talk about it |
| 21:02.38 | Groll | hoho hannibal rising was goood :D |
| 21:02.54 | kenlyric | damn Antiarc|Work... have you parsed any other data? :) |
| 21:02.59 | Antiarc|Work | No, not yet. |
| 21:03.02 | Antiarc|Work | But it's trivial to do so. |
| 21:03.10 | kenlyric | damn, that looks like fun. |
| 21:03.17 | Antiarc|Work | One sec, I'll post the script. |
| 21:03.21 | kenlyric | Instantly see how many 70 priests have circle of healing. |
| 21:03.34 | Antiarc|Work | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/getArenaRankings.rb |
| 21:04.12 | Groll | thank good i havent updated cartographer today :P |
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| 21:04.36 | Chompers | grrr |
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| 21:13.31 | kagaro | Chompers: K |
| 21:14.19 | CIA-18 | 03kagaro * r29658 10Cartographer_Mining/addon.lua: Cartographer_Mining: typo fixed |
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| 21:15.07 | Chompers | ill try it again for you |
| 21:15.22 | kagaro | im on an english client so I never his the translation stuff |
| 21:15.56 | Groll | hmm is there any other simple mp3 player addon other than the one from ace? |
| 21:16.52 | Chompers | aah, fantastic |
| 21:16.56 | Chompers | all working again |
| 21:17.12 | deltron | I just need to set global keys that will control my fubar hehe |
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| 21:18.44 | CIA-18 | 03pastamancer * r29659 10Grid/Grid.toc: Grid: Converted Notes-zhCN line to UTF8. |
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| 21:29.15 | Industrial | I have talked with kergoth about adding a module to cartographer. |
| 21:29.35 | Fisker- | This thread is relevant to my interrests |
| 21:30.09 | yacoob | This thread is irrelevant. |
| 21:30.15 | yacoob | And will be assimilated. |
| 21:30.17 | Chompers | what type of module you thinking of adding? |
| 21:30.22 | kergoth | Industrial: hmm, didnt wobin do some work for chained waypoints? one to the next to the next? thatd be useful for what we're talking about |
| 21:30.32 | kergoth | Chompers: in game leveling guides and such using cart notes & waypoints |
| 21:30.35 | Industrial | dunno |
| 21:30.56 | Fisker- | i hate you yacoob |
| 21:31.05 | Industrial | yeah so I think im going to make a forum post asking for people to convert guides to a lua readable format |
| 21:31.12 | Industrial | but we need a good format first |
| 21:31.18 | Industrial | what i came up with was |
| 21:31.31 | kergoth | sounds like a good bet, the coding of the addon isnt the hard/grueling part |
| 21:31.42 | Industrial | ['number.number.number']={action,x,y,description,note,note} |
| 21:32.14 | deltron | that's a great freaking idea |
| 21:32.15 | Industrial | where number is the step or sub-step to take, action is take/do/turnin, and multiple notes can be added to every step |
| 21:32.38 | Industrial | deltron: think automatic waypoint setting accompanied by text saying what to do :p |
| 21:32.52 | deltron | yeah, but it does take a lot of fun out of it |
| 21:32.58 | Pneu | and do the quests for you |
| 21:33.00 | Industrial | for you maybe *cough* |
| 21:33.01 | kagaro | shadow priest leveling 43 - 47 .. isle of dread nagas |
| 21:33.03 | Pneu | and get you chicks |
| 21:33.04 | pastamancer | the .toc wiki bot is working again |
| 21:33.05 | deltron | though I do it all already, just not automated lol |
| 21:33.09 | kergoth | theres an addon on ui.worldofwar.net kinda for this, but it uses notesuneed, and doesnt seem to format the guide in a more programmatically useful fashion |
| 21:33.21 | kergoth | deltron: well, this isnt something for first time players, more to level alts fast and stuff, i'd think |
| 21:33.51 | Industrial | the question is however, is the format i gave (wich is lua) good for saving all that data |
| 21:34.12 | Industrial | given in total 1-60 guides would only be a few hundred lines - its still good to optimize :P |
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| 21:34.42 | pastamancer | I'm not sure I like storing the key that way |
| 21:35.51 | Industrial | me neither ^^ |
| 21:36.37 | Industrial | {'key',action,x,y,description,note,note} |
| 21:36.37 | Industrial | hmm |
| 21:36.42 | pastamancer | it's static data, so I think we could just do it like aceoptions tables and have a { type = "group", { type = "do something", name = "step 1", stuff }, { type = "do somethign", name = "step 2", stuff }, { type = "group", name = "step 3", { type = "quest", name = "step 3.1" } } |
| 21:37.37 | pastamancer | then you do a depth-first traversal to get the steps in order, or a breadth-first to get the overview |
| 21:37.57 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 21:38.33 | vhaarr | the data could be LoD'ed by level range, zone, or similar |
| 21:38.39 | Industrial | yeah |
| 21:38.45 | ckknight | very cool idea |
| 21:39.37 | ckknight | here's an idea, by the way |
| 21:39.47 | ckknight | you know how quests sometimes are called the same thing in a chain? |
| 21:39.55 | Industrial | hmm |
| 21:40.00 | ckknight | why not md5 the description and use that as a comparison? |
| 21:40.06 | kergoth | note that not all steps will have specific coordinates, they may be a range, like wowkb used to be for the area mobs are in... i wonder if itd be useful to facilitate that, describe a zone of the map for a step instead of a point |
| 21:40.10 | ckknight | to show uniqueness of a quest |
| 21:40.35 | ckknight | kergoth: do you have an idea with how to show area in Cart? |
| 21:40.41 | pastamancer | ckknight: interesting idea. do we already have a md5 function? |
| 21:40.48 | vhaarr | yes |
| 21:40.50 | ckknight | pastamancer: yea |
| 21:40.51 | kergoth | not offhand.. i guess it depends on what sort of shapes we want to support |
| 21:40.51 | vhaarr | there is a md5lib |
| 21:40.55 | pastamancer | oh, easy |
| 21:40.59 | Industrial | well let me just say that there are more talented programmers in here then me so i dont think ill be actually making the addon. I just wanted to get the idea out. thats what i like doing. coming up with stuff :D |
| 21:41.00 | kergoth | wowkb was just a rect, which was too limited |
| 21:41.11 | ckknight | right. |
| 21:41.18 | JoshBorke | alpha overlay on the map, possible using a round texture and SetTexCoord? |
| 21:41.29 | ckknight | my idea was an elipsis that could be rotated |
| 21:41.37 | pastamancer | also, here's a present for whoever's going to work on the guide thing: http://ace.pastey.net/7803 a depth-first search function that passes the current path for x-path type searches |
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| 21:41.50 | kergoth | nice |
| 21:41.57 | kergoth | i need to learn graph theory, its one of my weak points |
| 21:42.02 | Industrial | tip: most if not all coordinate data can be pulled off of wowhead.com |
| 21:42.12 | nevcairiel | graph theory is fun |
| 21:42.21 | Industrial | as well as other quest data for that matter |
| 21:42.22 | ckknight | it is fun |
| 21:42.23 | JoshBorke | so's poking your eye with a dull knife |
| 21:42.30 | ckknight | Industrial: quite true |
| 21:42.39 | ckknight | perhaps if we firstly made a database of quest information |
| 21:42.44 | Industrial | yeah |
| 21:42.52 | Industrial | but. isnt that heeeuuuge? |
| 21:42.58 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 21:43.03 | ckknight | yes, which is why it's split up by level and/or zone |
| 21:43.04 | kergoth | well, this shouldnt be limited to quests only either, a jewelcrafting guide in game would be useful too |
| 21:43.09 | Amadeo | Bartender3 doesn't change bars on stealth? |
| 21:43.13 | nevcairiel | sure it does |
| 21:43.19 | nevcairiel | check if you are actually playing a rogue. |
| 21:43.24 | Industrial | ha |
| 21:43.29 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: lol |
| 21:43.29 | Amadeo | I am |
| 21:43.33 | Amadeo | it's not |
| 21:43.44 | Proph_ | whats a good place to farm for motes of fire |
| 21:44.02 | nevcairiel | check the configuration of Bar1 then |
| 21:44.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ore nodes |
| 21:44.13 | nevcairiel | if it has a bar change for stealth configured |
| 21:44.31 | Industrial | Proph_: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22574 :D? |
| 21:45.05 | ckknight | quests don't have a UID in-game, do they? |
| 21:45.09 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:45.10 | pastamancer | nope |
| 21:45.18 | ckknight | lameness |
| 21:45.25 | Industrial | Proph_: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=17870 |
| 21:45.25 | pastamancer | yeah :( |
| 21:45.29 | Industrial | Proph_: so southwest netherstorm. |
| 21:45.38 | Amadeo | nevcairiel: It's enabled, only lists modifier or stance, stance is empty |
| 21:45.49 | nevcairiel | did you just create that rogue? |
| 21:45.56 | nevcairiel | and get to lvl2? |
| 21:46.00 | nevcairiel | then /reloadui |
| 21:46.05 | nevcairiel | it does not pick up new stances |
| 21:46.10 | nevcairiel | i need to fix that tho :D |
| 21:46.29 | Amadeo | I just created and I'm level 6 now :) |
| 21:46.43 | nevcairiel | it should be working after a reloadui |
| 21:47.06 | Amadeo | reload worked |
| 21:47.07 | Amadeo | thanks |
| 21:47.43 | Proph_ | looks like those motes of fire dudes only spawn when u create spellcloth |
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| 21:48.15 | kagaro | ck: if only interactible world objects had id's then minig/fishing/herbs and such would be soo muich easier |
| 21:48.22 | Industrial | Proph_: *shrug* i dont evern know what it os. |
| 21:48.26 | Industrial | s/os/is/ |
| 21:48.44 | ckknight | kagaro: yea... |
| 21:49.42 | kagaro | wonder how many priests in my guild are gona reroll ... |
| 21:49.43 | ckknight | so someone tell me how bad priests got nerfed |
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| 21:49.49 | deltron | ckknight: i think they have to use more mana now |
| 21:49.51 | NeoTron | not bad at all |
| 21:49.56 | deltron | vampiric embrace got nerfed though |
| 21:50.00 | NeoTron | <mind control>you want to play a priest </mind control> |
| 21:50.08 | kagaro | its not all that bad ... |
| 21:50.11 | NeoTron | deltron: easily fixed with a shaman + paladin >:-) |
| 21:50.55 | kagaro | though im built up as a raiding shadow priest right now |
| 21:50.55 | kagaro | the silent resolve nerf hurts a bit |
| 21:50.55 | kagaro | but can be worked around |
| 21:50.57 | deltron | NeoTron: i'm a shammy! |
| 21:50.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: the only significant nerfs are PoM on a 10s CD, and Silent Resolve not affecting shadow spells |
| 21:50.57 | pastamancer | any idea if silent resolve effects healing from VE? |
| 21:51.05 | kagaro | just gota wait a little bit more before starting up |
| 21:51.05 | kagaro | pastamancer : noppe |
| 21:51.07 | wobin | which one is SR? |
| 21:51.14 | NeoTron | -threat |
| 21:51.17 | pastamancer | KarlThePagan: shit, time to respec out of it |
| 21:51.18 | NightHawkTheSane | discipline tree -threat talent |
| 21:51.23 | NeoTron | for dmg /healing |
| 21:51.26 | NeoTron | now excluding shadow.. |
| 21:51.33 | pastamancer | s/KarlThePagan/kagaro/ |
| 21:51.39 | NightHawkTheSane | doesnt shadow have its own -threat talent? |
| 21:51.52 | NeoTron | yes |
| 21:51.52 | kagaro | nighthawkthesane: yes |
| 21:51.56 | NeoTron | but before they stacked |
| 21:52.05 | wobin | O.O |
| 21:52.07 | NeoTron | shadow priests potentially generate a lot of thrat since they both heal and dps |
| 21:52.11 | wobin | I'm glad I'd respecced =P |
| 21:52.14 | kagaro | they still didnt fix the bug of VT causing threat |
| 21:52.24 | NeoTron | for the same damage, with VE up they generate 50% more threat natively |
| 21:52.38 | wobin | kagaro: They included the mana gains as threat? |
| 21:52.41 | NeoTron | although I would hope overhealing doesn't cause heal threat |
| 21:52.43 | kagaro | its a "bug" |
| 21:52.47 | wobin | >< |
| 21:52.51 | kagaro | overheal doesnt cause threat |
| 21:52.53 | wobin | I'm glad I respecced =P |
| 21:53.14 | NeoTron | in our last raid your rather suboptimally equipped shadow priest did 10% of all healing |
| 21:53.17 | NeoTron | effective healing |
| 21:53.18 | kagaro | ill listen in on the karazan raid tonight and see how it goes |
| 21:53.33 | Antiarc|Work | Shadow priests are pretty insane right now. |
| 21:53.53 | wobin | k off to work |
| 21:54.08 | kagaro | Antiarc: if they wear all off peices and stack +dam items |
| 21:54.18 | kagaro | the priest nuker set makes me sad |
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| 21:54.32 | Antiarc|Work | kagaro: Granted, but they're still insane. |
| 21:54.46 | Antiarc|Work | The shadow priest/warlock combo in a group blows away everything else without so much as breaking a sweat |
| 21:54.48 | kagaro | a lock in the same gear would destroy |
| 21:54.54 | NeoTron | with my new spec (and change of the demo-talent to be 5 crit) I have some 20% crit chance. with a shadow priest that makes for almost constat 2x20% bonus to shadow dmg on the mob |
| 21:54.55 | Antiarc|Work | And it contributes massive mana/healing to the group |
| 21:55.27 | pastamancer | I'm only about 650 +dmg unbuffed and I was having no trouble pulling aggro in BM if I tried. |
| 21:55.28 | NeoTron | a priest adds to my DPS |
| 21:55.35 | kagaro | i wonder how well a smite sol build would work .. SoL gona get nerfed too next patch me thinks |
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| 21:55.51 | NeoTron | smite builds have major issues with longevity do they not? |
| 21:56.04 | NeoTron | shadow is much more viable with VT and shadowfiend |
| 21:56.20 | kagaro | Neo: you hope for lots of SoL procs ? |
| 21:56.59 | kagaro | i re-rolled for BC alliance side, so im re-leveling my priest back up |
| 21:57.07 | deltron | I love having a shadow priest with us in kara |
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| 21:57.47 | deltron | http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/walmart/leaks-walmart-powerpoint-on-3-customer-plan-241939.php |
| 21:57.50 | kagaro | probally should have leveled the priest first instead of getting my rogue to 70 first |
| 21:58.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i wish i could convince one of the priests in my guild to go shadow. |
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| 22:00.32 | deltron | you should, it's worth it now |
| 22:00.33 | deltron | :D |
| 22:00.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i tried! they dont want to! it confuses me >< |
| 22:01.22 | deltron | wtf! |
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| 22:01.27 | deltron | that's just strange |
| 22:03.16 | Amadeo | I hate when Firefox does stupid things |
| 22:03.55 | KarlThePagan | pastamancer, yea silent resolve is crap for shadow priests in 2.0.10 :( ... incidently I'm 19/42/0 now |
| 22:03.57 | Amadeo | It was just rendering a .wmv file in data, which locked the browser up |
| 22:04.03 | KarlThePagan | ;) |
| 22:04.15 | KarlThePagan | and clearing Kara (up to Aran so far) |
| 22:04.33 | Medlir | You don't think that's your fault for not having the wma mime type associatedproperly? |
| 22:04.56 | Amadeo | No, because it is |
| 22:05.02 | KarlThePagan | sounds like it isn't |
| 22:05.17 | Medlir | WMAs don't load as data here. |
| 22:05.20 | KarlThePagan | I would presonally reinstall the sucker |
| 22:05.31 | Medlir | Or just go into Tools, Content, File Types |
| 22:05.32 | KarlThePagan | or it could be the server's fault |
| 22:05.33 | Amadeo | "Opens with Windows Media Player" |
| 22:05.33 | kergoth | either it isnt or the webserver isnt reporting the correct type. |
| 22:05.38 | KarlThePagan | yea |
| 22:05.56 | KarlThePagan | x-something/wma |
| 22:06.07 | pastamancer | damn, nothing low in disc is really worth picking up |
| 22:06.18 | pastamancer | I guess I'll probably keep silent resolve for when I have to heal |
| 22:06.19 | JoshBorke | PI ftw |
| 22:06.58 | Medlir | I just got done debugging a page that failed to work, all because Google Analytics was unable to be accessed, which causes the entire page to be inoperable. |
| 22:07.22 | Medlir | Hooray for silent failures and no error-checking in code! |
| 22:07.49 | pastamancer | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxg0khZbZxGMuMtRhtVo is my current spec |
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| 22:09.24 | Antiarc|Work | http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=32345 |
| 22:09.26 | Antiarc|Work | O_O |
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| 22:09.50 | NeoTron | anyone playing or raiding with a moonkin? |
| 22:10.02 | KarlThePagan | pastamancer, pvp shadow? |
| 22:10.07 | pastamancer | raid shadow |
| 22:10.25 | floH | anyone have Questobjectives?! I've got a error :/ |
| 22:10.28 | KarlThePagan | how much +hit from gear? |
| 22:10.56 | pastamancer | not enough, I should put some points into shadow focus |
| 22:11.38 | KarlThePagan | try this imo - http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxG0uhzZbZxGTzMuRhtVo |
| 22:11.56 | KarlThePagan | if you're not pvping very much 3/5 weaving is enough for bosses |
| 22:12.01 | KarlThePagan | and trash dies too fast anyways |
| 22:12.30 | pastamancer | mind blast is an important part of my dps cycle |
| 22:12.33 | KarlThePagan | k |
| 22:12.57 | KarlThePagan | I found it ate more mana than it was worth, but I never dps'd on heroic instances |
| 22:13.08 | KarlThePagan | I can see how it might help there |
| 22:13.11 | floH | Cant anyone Help me with ACE Questobjecticves |
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| 22:13.21 | pastamancer | I'm only doing karazhan 2-3 nights a week, so I'm spending most of my time in 5-mans |
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| 22:13.30 | KarlThePagan | nice |
| 22:13.40 | KarlThePagan | floH, haven't heard of that... I use QuestFu |
| 22:14.12 | KarlThePagan | floH, in fact I don't see that mod in the SVN repository where did you download it from? |
| 22:14.17 | KarlThePagan | ... |
| 22:14.26 | pastamancer | I think he means the Carto quest objectives module |
| 22:14.35 | KarlThePagan | ah |
| 22:15.00 | KarlThePagan | where are you up to in kara? |
| 22:15.31 | pastamancer | killed attumen, moroes, maiden, wolf, working on curator. this is our first week in there |
| 22:15.38 | KarlThePagan | oh nice |
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| 22:15.53 | KarlThePagan | we just got curator down this week, finished crone and wolf too |
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| 22:16.11 | pastamancer | how much arcane resist do you use for curator? |
| 22:16.21 | KarlThePagan | 3rd week or so... had some quitters / drama lol |
| 22:16.35 | nevcairiel | we use none :) |
| 22:16.39 | KarlThePagan | I don't use any... and I don't think our MT did ... |
| 22:16.53 | nevcairiel | just get all range dps on the adds |
| 22:16.55 | KarlThePagan | but our druid OT tries to keep aggro on the sparks... and he has a bit |
| 22:17.14 | nevcairiel | and do dps on curator while he is regging |
| 22:17.15 | KarlThePagan | and we have a demonology lock try to hold aggro on the sparks too IIRC |
| 22:17.28 | pastamancer | oh, the drama is just starting for us, due to slackers, we have a group and a half of people keyed and that half + a bunch of the slackers are upset they didn't get their hands held |
| 22:17.45 | nevcairiel | oh weve had that too |
| 22:17.49 | nevcairiel | now we are at 2 groups |
| 22:17.53 | pastamancer | we've only had 3 attempts on the curator but it seems like the adds aren't really controlable |
| 22:18.03 | KarlThePagan | I've run shadow lab a zillion times to get people keyed |
| 22:18.06 | nevcairiel | just kill them fast, then its easy :) |
| 22:18.21 | nevcairiel | i hate shadowlabs now. |
| 22:18.25 | nevcairiel | after doing it heroic once. |
| 22:18.27 | pastamancer | haha |
| 22:18.34 | KarlThePagan | <-- dwarf priest |
| 22:18.38 | KarlThePagan | shadow labs is a cakewalk lol |
| 22:18.41 | nevcairiel | heh. |
| 22:18.55 | KarlThePagan | the sparks aren't totally controllable, but they do come eat healer face if dps is slacking |
| 22:18.56 | nevcairiel | we took a dwarf priest when we did it heroic |
| 22:19.10 | nevcairiel | always better to have 2 healers |
| 22:19.10 | pastamancer | are you spreading out on curator to minimize the AE damagE? |
| 22:19.21 | KarlThePagan | yes absolutely spread out |
| 22:19.47 | nevcairiel | we stand in like a half circle, from the door, to the wall across the room |
| 22:19.48 | KarlThePagan | or have a few high-threat people wear NR |
| 22:19.59 | pastamancer | that's probably part of our problem. we were trying to have one person pick up the adds as they ran at the healers |
| 22:20.04 | [DiE]Celeb | it's arcane not nature :) |
| 22:20.09 | pastamancer | NR? don't you mean arcane? |
| 22:20.17 | KarlThePagan | err... yea arcane :P |
| 22:20.25 | KarlThePagan | i didn't have to wear it so...lol |
| 22:20.34 | nevcairiel | i dont even have any :D |
| 22:20.43 | nevcairiel | except that trinket you get for killing the prince. |
| 22:21.01 | pastamancer | I guess I'll work some mspaint magic to show people where to stand then |
| 22:21.18 | KarlThePagan | pastamancer, yea we had 2 hunters, warlock, 2 druids, rogue, warrior, priest, paladin, mage for our curator down |
| 22:21.45 | KarlThePagan | lots of steadyshots to fire at the sparks |
| 22:22.01 | KarlThePagan | and QQing about arcane immunity? |
| 22:22.02 | KarlThePagan | i forget |
| 22:22.13 | KarlThePagan | I just remember OMG everyone's dying |
| 22:22.16 | pastamancer | our group has been warrior, bear, priest x2, shadowpriest, mage, lock, hunter, rogue, shaman |
| 22:22.36 | KarlThePagan | healing shaman? |
| 22:22.42 | pastamancer | elemental I think |
| 22:22.48 | KarlThePagan | ok cool |
| 22:22.49 | nevcairiel | paint magic? just show them in the room :) |
| 22:22.58 | Groll | nooo the dev of outfitter wont update it any more :/ |
| 22:23.08 | KarlThePagan | orly |
| 22:23.30 | Groll | :( |
| 22:23.40 | nevcairiel | ClosetGnome ftw |
| 22:23.53 | vhaarr | :) |
| 22:23.57 | KarlThePagan | LFM to work on my closetgnome ideas ;) |
| 22:23.58 | Groll | closetgnome cant add sets by stats etc automaticly |
| 22:24.14 | KarlThePagan | yea stuff like set builders and toggle sets |
| 22:24.23 | Groll | yep.. me neeed those |
| 22:24.28 | pastamancer | http://kyle.13th-floor.org/images/wow/Karazhan_Maiden.png really got the point across better than telling people where to go |
| 22:24.28 | KarlThePagan | have some crap sketched out but i've been totally consumed at work and by karaz |
| 22:25.02 | KarlThePagan | pastamancer, does that holyfire tanking stuff really work? |
| 22:25.05 | pastamancer | yeah |
| 22:25.07 | Groll | KarlThePagan i'll make u cookies if u improve closetgnome with autostuff and such :D |
| 22:25.08 | KarlThePagan | nice |
| 22:25.23 | pastamancer | our bear MTs the maiden and the warrior sits on his thumb and mashes spell reflect |
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| 22:25.24 | KarlThePagan | Groll, will you clean my dishes... I really hate cleaning dishes |
| 22:25.32 | Groll | i'll even provide milk and bugtesting :P |
| 22:25.39 | Groll | erm.. u wanna see my sink? :P |
| 22:25.50 | KarlThePagan | Groll, hahaaha |
| 22:26.09 | KarlThePagan | pastamancer, nice... we just healed thru it... you use the shaman to break repentance on the healers? |
| 22:26.11 | Groll | atleast it doesnt smell :D |
| 22:26.36 | pastamancer | nope, we just keep maximum hots up on the tank |
| 22:26.47 | pastamancer | how do shaman break repentance? |
| 22:26.49 | NightHawkTheSane | how can a shaman break repentence on healers? |
| 22:26.56 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:26.58 | KarlThePagan | doesn't tremor totem do it? |
| 22:26.59 | Groll | earthshock i guess :P |
| 22:27.02 | pastamancer | nope |
| 22:27.05 | KarlThePagan | oh lame! |
| 22:27.07 | Tornhoof | tremor does zit |
| 22:27.08 | pastamancer | I don't think they can |
| 22:27.09 | KarlThePagan | we used a paladin |
| 22:27.11 | NightHawkTheSane | nope, tremor is sleep/charm/fear only, not disorient |
| 22:27.17 | nevcairiel | can pallys still do it with their weird buff? |
| 22:27.23 | KarlThePagan | paladin blessing of sacrifice FTW |
| 22:27.23 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yes, blessing of sacrifice |
| 22:27.30 | nevcairiel | i bet thats going to be nerfed away soon too |
| 22:27.30 | Groll | ah well erm.. not even gonna comment on tremor totem.. working as intended is a joke when it comes to that totem :P |
| 22:27.30 | KarlThePagan | made it totally ezmode |
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| 22:27.36 | pastamancer | seriously |
| 22:27.48 | pastamancer | we had to have the bear tank because he has 2k more hp than our warrior |
| 22:27.55 | KarlThePagan | hah |
| 22:27.56 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:27.56 | KarlThePagan | yea |
| 22:28.05 | KarlThePagan | we have 2 of those... 16k hp monsters |
| 22:28.39 | Groll | i just wish my darn guild wasnt such a casuall guild!!! then i might be in kara!!! |
| 22:28.43 | nevcairiel | last time on Gruul, our bear tank for the hurtful strikes hit the 20k hp mark |
| 22:29.15 | Kaelten | JoshBorke: so whats up? |
| 22:29.30 | KarlThePagan | yea here's our "strat" http://www.nightelfcollective.com/library/MaidenOfVirtue |
| 22:29.30 | Tornhoof | our gruul hurtful tank had 18k |
| 22:29.35 | KarlThePagan | we obviously didn't follow that |
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| 22:29.50 | Groll | woo new sg-1 episode downed :D |
| 22:29.53 | KarlThePagan | Groll, my guild is a casual guild |
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| 22:30.05 | pastamancer | yeah, my guild is pretty casual |
| 22:30.05 | KarlThePagan | that's why we're not in Gruul's lair :) |
| 22:30.08 | Groll | KarlThePagan ok then i guess my guild is pure lazyness then :P |
| 22:30.12 | KarlThePagan | hehe |
| 22:30.19 | pastamancer | we just hit karazhan this week and only have 15 people keyed |
| 22:30.21 | Groll | svea ulvar ftw :P |
| 22:30.38 | Groll | well we got maybe 30ppl keyed or darn close but only one group going :( |
| 22:30.59 | Groll | the rest is on and off so irregular we cant form a second group |
| 22:31.16 | pastamancer | KarlThePagan: ah, we put the priests next to each other so they can dispell each other |
| 22:31.23 | Groll | oh well sg-1 time |
| 22:31.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i wish more of my guild would get off their asses and finish getting keyed |
| 22:31.51 | KarlThePagan | yea we had one priest dedicated dispel / renew and the other one MT heal |
| 22:32.20 | pastamancer | ah, I dispel in shadow |
| 22:32.28 | pastamancer | and keep dots up |
| 22:32.32 | KarlThePagan | I think there's a few things wrong with our strat... if they nerf blessing of sac we'll have to reevaluate |
| 22:33.01 | pastamancer | the holy fire really is predictable though if you position right |
| 22:33.25 | pastamancer | if people or the maiden are moving, that'll scre things up thouth |
| 22:33.49 | KarlThePagan | yea |
| 22:34.02 | KarlThePagan | we're your typical alliance... dps zerg bunch :) |
| 22:34.04 | pastamancer | holy wrath on the otherhand is completely random |
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| 22:34.53 | pastamancer | hmm, I'm not seeing how a priest would use SW:death to break repentance, it's instant |
| 22:34.59 | KarlThePagan | yea that's what I said... |
| 22:35.05 | KarlThePagan | I should just edit the page and remove it |
| 22:35.56 | pastamancer | and as long as your tank has enough HP, you don't need to have a healer active during repentance |
| 22:36.05 | KarlThePagan | lol there |
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| 22:36.08 | knarf^ | hots |
| 22:36.11 | knarf^ | and hots |
| 22:36.17 | knarf^ | pom is cute too ^^ |
| 22:36.37 | KarlThePagan | too bad pom doesn't stack |
| 22:36.52 | pastamancer | yeah, I was kinda upset when I found out PoM doesn't stack |
| 22:37.01 | KarlThePagan | and it uses your target's +healing |
| 22:37.01 | knarf^ | it says that :) |
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| 22:37.16 | KarlThePagan | it's a crazy spell |
| 22:37.19 | knarf^ | well the part where it uses your targets +healing sucks |
| 22:37.34 | KarlThePagan | knarf^, how much +healing does your tank have? |
| 22:37.42 | KarlThePagan | ;) |
| 22:37.43 | knarf^ | haha, 0 I guess :P |
| 22:38.01 | knarf^ | but pom is nice due to the aoe :) |
| 22:38.06 | KarlThePagan | actually it's pretty nice on a paladin tank |
| 22:38.07 | knarf^ | so it bounces around the melee :) |
| 22:38.26 | KarlThePagan | they actually have +dmg/healing and it helps them get more aggro, because holy threat is holy threat |
| 22:38.44 | KarlThePagan | or at least that's what my paladins are telling me |
| 22:38.47 | ckknight | as a lvl 21 pally, I seem to be tanking much better than this lvl 23 warrior |
| 22:38.50 | knarf^ | haven't used palas for tanks as far as I know |
| 22:38.52 | ckknight | granted, neither is specced prot |
| 22:39.13 | KarlThePagan | knarf^, we did an onyxia pally MT |
| 22:39.19 | knarf^ | :P |
| 22:39.31 | KarlThePagan | PoM spam locked down the aggro issue really nicely |
| 22:39.58 | NeoTron | paladin tanks rock |
| 22:40.03 | knarf^ | SW:D is a cute spell :) |
| 22:40.17 | KarlThePagan | cute when you have 9k hp |
| 22:40.21 | NeoTron | knarf^: especially when it crits on the curator during evocations |
| 22:40.24 | pastamancer | SW:D is amazing on 2 minute-ish fights |
| 22:40.27 | NeoTron | and hit for like 8k |
| 22:40.31 | pastamancer | NeoTron: lol |
| 22:40.39 | KarlThePagan | NeoTron, LOL HEAL PLX? |
| 22:40.42 | pastamancer | I'll have to remember that so I don't kill myself |
| 22:40.47 | knarf^ | haha |
| 22:40.48 | knarf^ | true |
| 22:40.49 | knarf^ | :P |
| 22:40.51 | knarf^ | brb |
| 22:40.57 | NeoTron | yeah never use SW:D on the curator or any fight where the damage is multiplied somehow |
| 22:40.59 | KarlThePagan | just immagine BWL with SWD |
| 22:41.01 | NeoTron | way too dangerous |
| 22:41.13 | KarlThePagan | all those shadow vulnerable mobs... your shadow priests would die |
| 22:41.22 | NeoTron | that'd be bad yes |
| 22:41.43 | KarlThePagan | it's too bad about BWL... |
| 22:41.53 | KarlThePagan | when nef gear gets replaced by lv 68 greens... QQ |
| 22:41.57 | ckknight | I am liking tanking as a pally... |
| 22:42.08 | knarf^ | NeoTron unless you can take it :P |
| 22:42.10 | KarlThePagan | neltharion's tear is probably the only thing I could think of that's worth it |
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| 22:47.42 | ckknight | it's fun to run instances in the school library |
| 22:47.50 | ckknight | half the battle is not revealing what you're doing |
| 22:48.03 | Herio | wow haha |
| 22:48.20 | CIA-18 | 03nymbia * r29660 10StatStain/StatStain.lua: |
| 22:48.20 | CIA-18 | StatStain: |
| 22:48.20 | CIA-18 | - bugfix |
| 22:48.43 | KarlThePagan | pastamancer, does imp SWP help you terribly? |
| 22:49.01 | CIA-18 | 03nymbia * r29661 10StatStain/StatStain.lua: |
| 22:49.01 | CIA-18 | StatStain: |
| 22:49.01 | CIA-18 | - Debug prints is bad. |
| 22:49.05 | Herio | anyone know what the turn around is for the emails requesting SVN write access? I'm not sure if my email was received... maybe I'm just being antsy |
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| 22:49.21 | pastamancer | KarlThePagan: it's a must-have |
| 22:49.48 | nymbia | Herio: a day or three |
| 22:49.48 | pastamancer | I forget the math, but it's a huge gain in efficiency |
| 22:49.56 | Herio | okie ^_^ |
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| 22:50.41 | pastamancer | add to that how well sw:p scales with +dmg |
| 22:51.23 | Herio | I hate how talents like imp sw:p are phrased |
| 22:51.36 | Herio | because if they did what they said, they'd make the spell do less DPS |
| 22:51.41 | Herio | same damage over longer period |
| 22:51.52 | KarlThePagan | true... so why mindblast so much? doesn't that reduce your efficiency? |
| 22:52.08 | KarlThePagan | but again... 5mans |
| 22:52.14 | KarlThePagan | it's a balance i suppose |
| 22:52.15 | pastamancer | I use it as mana allows, and all the time in 5-mans |
| 22:52.18 | KarlThePagan | yea |
| 22:52.52 | KarlThePagan | well damn |
| 22:52.54 | pastamancer | in black morass, with a good tank, I can keep a nearly optimal dps cycle with mind blast and sw:death |
| 22:53.04 | pastamancer | my only limiting factor there is aggro |
| 22:53.11 | KarlThePagan | now I want to make an outfit creator for ClosetGnome |
| 22:53.11 | pastamancer | since it's a series of 2-3 minute fights |
| 22:53.51 | KarlThePagan | mb, swd, flay, mb, swd? |
| 22:54.02 | pastamancer | basically |
| 22:54.15 | pastamancer | tossing up VT and SW:p when they wear off |
| 22:54.25 | KarlThePagan | sucks about the VE changes :( I really liked those crits |
| 22:54.46 | pastamancer | hopefully it'll mean I can dps more :) |
| 22:55.06 | PHL-Chuck | yeah I dont see why having that crit was such a big deal.. was it more for pvp or pve adjustment |
| 22:55.08 | Herio | VE is a lot of agro |
| 22:55.11 | KarlThePagan | the aggro nerf means you'll have to VE less |
| 22:55.12 | KarlThePagan | yea |
| 22:55.40 | Herio | wait, they are upping VE agro? |
| 22:55.50 | pastamancer | no, they're reducing the amount healed |
| 22:55.51 | KarlThePagan | upping all aggro |
| 22:56.03 | Herio | for who...? |
| 22:56.04 | KarlThePagan | silent resolve won't affect any shadow spell |
| 22:56.12 | KarlThePagan | shadow priests |
| 22:56.17 | Herio | shadow affinity? |
| 22:56.21 | PHL-Chuck | I never had SR as a SP |
| 22:56.29 | PHL-Chuck | there is a talent for sp |
| 22:56.30 | KarlThePagan | that's 3/5 of your threat reduction |
| 22:56.39 | Herio | our SP dropped SR for SA |
| 22:56.43 | KarlThePagan | ... /picardfacepalm |
| 22:56.56 | KarlThePagan | why didn't he have both? |
| 22:57.12 | Herio | don't know, couldn't spare the points? =P |
| 22:57.30 | KarlThePagan | clearly doesn't understand pve dps |
| 22:57.36 | KarlThePagan | or isn't a raid shadowpriest |
| 22:57.36 | Herio | you only need to much threat reduction =P |
| 22:57.44 | KarlThePagan | no... |
| 22:57.50 | KarlThePagan | you need all the threat reduction you can get |
| 22:57.51 | Herio | he raided, but his gear wasn't that great |
| 22:57.59 | KarlThePagan | well that's the problem then ;) |
| 22:58.20 | Herio | you only need enough so that you don't pull agro when you're not being dumb =) |
| 22:58.28 | KarlThePagan | I had 550 +dmg before TBC so... I needed the 45% threat reduction |
| 22:58.37 | Herio | you had a bad tank |
| 22:58.38 | Herio | eos |
| 22:58.49 | KarlThePagan | such a fail statement |
| 22:58.54 | Herio | hehe |
| 22:59.13 | KarlThePagan | I could pull aggro off any tank except our thunderfury tnak |
| 22:59.24 | Herio | anyone can |
| 22:59.36 | nevcairiel | i cant |
| 22:59.37 | Herio | all you have to do is wait for the tank to air ball and start shooting |
| 22:59.59 | KarlThePagan | talk in the general case... not asinine corner-cases |
| 23:00.13 | Herio | you're only generating too much threat if you pull agro later |
| 23:00.28 | KarlThePagan | and that's what I'm talking about |
| 23:00.37 | Herio | what bosses? |
| 23:00.45 | KarlThePagan | pick one... really |
| 23:00.51 | Herio | golemagg |
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| 23:00.55 | Herio | past 80% |
| 23:00.58 | KarlThePagan | any boss in any instance up to underbog which is when i respec'd |
| 23:01.08 | KarlThePagan | ... so azeroth man |
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| 23:01.16 | KarlThePagan | I was disc/holy until TBC |
| 23:01.22 | Funkeh` | i hate gruul |
| 23:01.25 | Funkeh` | 2x 1% wipe |
| 23:01.28 | KarlThePagan | ouch |
| 23:01.28 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:01.32 | nevcairiel | that sucks |
| 23:01.33 | Herio | dang |
| 23:01.47 | nevcairiel | i wish we would get that far tho :P |
| 23:01.51 | nevcairiel | our best was 30% |
| 23:01.52 | nevcairiel | we lack dmg. |
| 23:02.01 | Herio | we lack people =( |
| 23:02.05 | KarlThePagan | 30% is our magic Aran number ;) |
| 23:02.06 | Herio | we only have 1 karazhan raid going |
| 23:02.13 | Funkeh` | we lack luck |
| 23:02.19 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 23:02.21 | NeoTron | 36^ our first night |
| 23:02.29 | Herio | the other raid won't show cause they don't like the raid leader... word on the street |
| 23:02.32 | NeoTron | on aran that is |
| 23:02.36 | KarlThePagan | heh we've only had one aran night so far ;) |
| 23:02.41 | NeoTron | same :) |
| 23:02.50 | Funkeh` | heh, we cleared kz so we need this for sc attu |
| 23:02.50 | NeoTron | been in kara less than 30 hrs so far |
| 23:02.54 | Herio | aran is a steep individual learning curve compared to the rest of the bosses |
| 23:02.59 | Funkeh` | trying so hard to do it before reset |
| 23:03.04 | KarlThePagan | deff |
| 23:03.07 | NeoTron | it's definitely a "can't mess up" fight |
| 23:03.11 | Herio | yeah |
| 23:03.21 | NeoTron | what's the reset timer on Gruul? |
| 23:03.24 | nevcairiel | a week |
| 23:03.29 | nevcairiel | like all raids |
| 23:03.29 | KarlThePagan | you think malchezzar first then aran? |
| 23:03.29 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 23:03.34 | KarlThePagan | if possible? |
| 23:03.34 | Herio | the rest of the fights are about general strat rather then individual competence =P |
| 23:03.40 | nevcairiel | malchezzar is easier, imho |
| 23:03.42 | NeoTron | KarlThePagan: it's possible but ... all that trash |
| 23:03.49 | Herio | I'd say aran, cause the trash is a bitch and a half |
| 23:03.52 | KarlThePagan | yea... trash sucks |
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| 23:04.04 | NeoTron | and eventually you'll want aran down anyway >:) |
| 23:04.08 | Herio | malchezzar only took us a like 3 hours of wipes... aran was way more |
| 23:04.10 | KarlThePagan | for nightbane yea |
| 23:04.15 | NeoTron | of course for me the prince is basically the only one that has upgrades to my gear |
| 23:04.33 | Herio | the prince will bug if you have cowards, though =( |
| 23:04.34 | KarlThePagan | I gotta get in an arena team and start collecting mah epix |
| 23:04.54 | Herio | I'm dissapointed in the warlock itemization in terms of arena gear =( |
| 23:04.54 | KarlThePagan | so I have a chance at dmg gear again ;) |
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| 23:05.12 | jayrox | hey guys |
| 23:05.29 | KarlThePagan | yar |
| 23:05.38 | jayrox | on deDE clients is "SAY", "PARTY", "RAID", "GUILD" localized for SendChatMessage ? |
| 23:06.04 | KarlThePagan | I think no |
| 23:06.09 | nevcairiel | no |
| 23:06.11 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 23:06.15 | Funkeh` | say? |
| 23:06.22 | jayrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.25 | jayrox | the white text |
| 23:06.31 | Funkeh` | don't think you can use that |
| 23:06.33 | jayrox | (default) |
| 23:06.38 | nevcairiel | you can |
| 23:06.41 | Funkeh` | :o |
| 23:06.49 | nevcairiel | why shouldnt you? |
| 23:07.18 | jayrox | say is useful for talking with people only close by, not always in your group, but maybe not a good idea to send to the whole group |
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| 23:08.33 | jayrox | thanks for the info, i am having a guy localize my strings, but got an error with SendChatMessage |
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| 23:18.12 | vithos | sylvanaar: here? |
| 23:18.18 | OverloadUT|Work | Do NOT go to digg.com if you watch Battlestar Galactica and haven't seen the latest episode. :( |
| 23:18.36 | deltron | lol |
| 23:18.40 | deltron | spoilers! |
| 23:18.53 | OverloadUT|Work | Big fat stupid spoiler right in the title of a story. :( |
| 23:19.03 | deltron | hmm i want some coffee |
| 23:19.26 | deltron | omg |
| 23:19.32 | deltron | the comments are freaking GOLDEN |
| 23:20.11 | vithos | oh heh. things prat won't alias includes: prat |
| 23:20.11 | shieldb | OverloadUT|Work, Snape kills Dumbledore? |
| 23:20.15 | vithos | that's why it won't work then. |
| 23:20.34 | deltron | I think every single spoiler is going on in the comments |
| 23:20.41 | vithos | wtb /alias /copy /prat PratCopyChat copy |
| 23:21.22 | deltron | PS I'm digging that article up |
| 23:21.25 | deltron | to keep it from being buried |
| 23:21.27 | deltron | :D |
| 23:21.32 | OverloadUT|Work | lmao |
| 23:21.37 | OverloadUT|Work | I don't care, too late for me :P |
| 23:21.52 | OverloadUT|Work | I watch them a season late on DVD, so annoying to get spoilers every once in a while |
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| 23:22.30 | deltron | I haven't seen it yet :( |
| 23:22.58 | OverloadUT|Work | It's really quite good, I recommend it |
| 23:23.49 | OverloadUT|Work | Now that a guy on the Internet that you don't know has told you to watch it, how can you resist? |
| 23:23.59 | Herio | I watch them when I have time during the week after they air |
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| 23:24.07 | Herio | I raid during the initial airing =/ |
| 23:24.17 | OverloadUT|Work | Hehe, exactly why I stopped rading... |
| 23:24.44 | OverloadUT|Work | Well, not BSG, but the idea that I'm ever forced to play a game instead of something I'd rather be doing :P |
| 23:24.56 | Herio | I'd rather raid |
| 23:25.01 | Herio | cause I can do it later =P |
| 23:25.15 | Herio | torrents ftw >.> |
| 23:25.37 | CIA-18 | 03rophy * r29662 10SimpleCombatLog/core.lua: |
| 23:25.37 | CIA-18 | SimpleCombatLog |
| 23:25.37 | CIA-18 | - Remoevd CHAT_MSG_SPELL_TRADESKILLS from suppressed event list. |
| 23:27.33 | Medlir | [18.13.38] <TechLee> WoW pickup line: What's the drop rate on those pants? |
| 23:27.52 | Medlir | [18.14.38] <ewicher1> just avoid the "world drops" |
| 23:27.52 | Medlir | [18.14.41] <ewicher1> you don't know where they've been |
| 23:29.02 | Herio | uh |
| 23:29.18 | OverloadUT|Work | Question: foo['a'] = {somebigtable}; bar['z'] = foo['a']; foo['a'] = nil; Would bar['z'] get set to nil from that last command or no? |
| 23:29.21 | Herio | "Those pants must be from Molten Core, cause your ass is epic!" |
| 23:30.09 | Kelben | vhaarr - still around? |
| 23:30.18 | vhaarr | Kelben: pong |
| 23:31.08 | Kelben | Just curious about Bigwigs and netherspite - had to grab deadly bosses mod (la vandetta) last night to get a timer on his banish stage |
| 23:31.32 | Kelben | I realize its not a big deal but its still a nice feature - am I missing this on bigwigs? |
| 23:31.44 | vhaarr | hm it worked fine for me last week |
| 23:32.07 | shieldb | Kelben, did netherspite last night and it worked fine for me with bigwigs |
| 23:32.24 | vhaarr | Kelben: did you get the other timers? |
| 23:32.28 | vhaarr | if there are any |
| 23:32.30 | vhaarr | I don't remember |
| 23:32.35 | vhaarr | for other bosses? |
| 23:32.42 | Kelben | yeah I found it strange, bigwigs would announce the phases |
| 23:32.54 | Kelben | and yeah bw worked fine for everything else |
| 23:33.00 | vhaarr | okay that's just weird |
| 23:33.09 | vhaarr | Kelben: have you updated any mods since that happened? |
| 23:33.16 | vhaarr | more specifically, CandyBar-2.0 |
| 23:33.38 | Kelben | I usually run aceupdate once a day before raids |
| 23:33.44 | vhaarr | Kelben: have you updated any mods since that happened? |
| 23:34.00 | Kelben | ^ |
| 23:34.12 | Kelben | update the mods constantly |
| 23:34.12 | vhaarr | That doesn't answer my question. |
| 23:35.16 | Kelben | I'll test it out this week again I just wanted to make sure the feature was there |
| 23:35.34 | vhaarr | you just have to answer my question, please |
| 23:35.39 | vhaarr | Have you updated since that happened? |
| 23:36.03 | Kelben | I run winaceupdate on a daily basis - thats pretty much the only mod updating i do |
| 23:36.28 | vhaarr | I'm not asking if you updated *before* that raid, but have you updated *after* ? |
| 23:36.42 | Kelben | i have updated since the raid last night |
| 23:36.48 | vhaarr | okay |
| 23:36.55 | vhaarr | Do you remember if CandyBar-2.0 was updated then? |
| 23:37.10 | Kelben | isn't candybar a library? |
| 23:37.23 | vhaarr | yes, it is, my question still stands. |
| 23:37.47 | Kelben | I don't know anything about libraries nor do I touch them :S |
| 23:38.00 | vhaarr | Indeed, but WAU gives you a log of things it has updated. |
| 23:38.09 | vhaarr | So I'm asking, do you remember if it was updated or not? |
| 23:38.14 | Kelben | no i don't sorry |
| 23:38.16 | vhaarr | okay |
| 23:38.33 | Kelben | i really don't read the log, just f4 f12 |
| 23:38.44 | vhaarr | yeah no problem |
| 23:39.18 | knarf^ | hmm that waterfall menu is pretty cool |
| 23:39.52 | snurre | meh, ominouscastbar is broken |
| 23:40.08 | vhaarr | Kelben: You may find that, unlike other people, programmers actually know what they want when they ask you a question, so don't try to interpret what I'm asking, and just answer. |
| 23:40.11 | Kelben | oh did that feature for closetgnome oh noes ever make it to the add list (on aggro de-equip weapons) |
| 23:40.12 | vhaarr | Kelben: Makes it a lot easier. |
| 23:41.03 | WobWork | on aggro?! |
| 23:41.06 | WobWork | O.O |
| 23:41.11 | Kelben | for squishies |
| 23:41.21 | WobWork | Just like Zaphod's sunglasses =P |
| 23:41.24 | Kelben | I don't really care about you tank types :) |
| 23:41.41 | WobWork | would make grinding fun =P |
| 23:41.52 | Kelben | but when squishes get aggro it usually results in a 10k + hit |
| 23:41.58 | WobWork | "I need to one shot this mob, so I can take advantage of my weapon's stats" |
| 23:42.23 | Funkeh` | GRUUUUL DOOOWN!! |
| 23:42.29 | WobWork | cheer! |
| 23:42.30 | vhaarr | GZ NUB |
| 23:42.34 | Kelben | fine add in some line that says - only do this if in parties or raids |
| 23:42.36 | Funkeh` | <3 vhaarr |
| 23:42.43 | WobWork | "Good Z..."? |
| 23:42.48 | WobWork | oh gratz |
| 23:42.54 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 23:42.57 | WobWork | >< |
| 23:43.08 | WobWork | worst abuse of abbreviation ever =P |
| 23:43.48 | vhaarr | yeah I didn't invent it |
| 23:47.09 | knarf^ | Is there an EasyUnlock addon that works? :) |
| 23:47.10 | sylvanaar | z is at the endz of lotz of wordz nowz |
| 23:48.11 | pastamancer | for realz |
| 23:48.22 | sylvanaar | zomg for shurz |
| 23:53.18 | OverloadUT|Work | Whoa, patch |
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| 23:59.08 | shieldb | Funkeh`, you guys have a crew attuned for sc now? |
| 23:59.29 | Funkeh` | near enough |
| 23:59.38 | Funkeh` | we do quick kz tomorow and good to go |
| 23:59.44 | Funkeh` | we have about 15 attuned atm |
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