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`00:00.25`	`shieldb`	`but for now I think it's time to go home and play GoW2 ;)`
`00:06.49`	Funkeh`	ag`_: still here?
`00:06.56`	`*** join/#wowace RaydenUnicyclist (n=bozartmp@bozartmp.student.rose-hulman.edu)`
`00:07.33`	ag`_	Funkeh`: yes
`00:07.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"Is that the last level?" "No, it's the FIRST level." "Are you joking?" "Every other game is the joke. God of War is just the punchline."`
`00:08.06`	Funkeh`	`ag_GroupClass.lua:219 Usage:aUFGroup3Anchor:SetWidth(width)`
`00:08.10`	Funkeh`	`no idea what i jsut did`
`00:08.17`	Funkeh`	`deleted my saved vars and playing in the menu`
`00:09.19`	Funkeh`	ag`_: every time i hover over the scale menu
`00:09.39`	ag`_	Funkeh`: for raid or party?
`00:09.44`	Funkeh`	`solo`
`00:09.50`	Funkeh`	`just configing it atm`
`00:09.57`	ag`_	Funkeh`: yes but for what unit type
`00:10.02`	Funkeh`	`self`
`00:10.07`	ag`_	`player?`
`00:10.10`	Funkeh`	`yep`
`00:10.23`	`*** join/#wowace ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.146)`
`00:10.24`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ`
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`00:12.59`	ag`_	Funkeh`: I am not getting it
`00:13.22`	ag`_	`also seems very unlikely as I do not see how hovering the player menu can make that method execute`
`00:13.30`	`*** join/#wowace Phatrik (n=whatdahe@217-209-42-83-no89.tbcn.telia.com)`
`00:14.07`	Funkeh`	basically ag`_: alt right click my frame, move the cursor to scale, and nothing
`00:14.18`	Funkeh`	`bang error, doesn't expand to prove scale options`
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`00:14.31`	Funkeh`	`provide*`
`00:15.18`	Funkeh`	ag`_: try with no saved vars
`00:15.34`	Funkeh`	`since thats what i just did`
`00:16.38`	ag`_	Funkeh`: hovering frame width could execute that method
`00:16.44`	ag`_	`but not hovering scale`
`00:17.14`	Funkeh`	`my bad`
`00:17.17`	Funkeh`	`its frame width`
`00:17.19`	Funkeh`	`BUT`
`00:17.23`	ag`_	`ah ok`
`00:17.26`	Funkeh`	`scale gives an error also`
`00:18.43`	Funkeh`	`groupclass.lua:255 usage:blabla: SetScale(scale)`
`00:19.13`	ag`_	`nope, totally reset vars`
`00:19.15`	ag`_	`and no other addons`
`00:19.17`	ag`_	`no error for me`
`00:19.52`	Funkeh`	`:/`
`00:20.06`	ag`_	Funkeh`:
`00:20.10`	ag`_	`write for me`
`00:20.26`	ag`_	`./dump aUF.db.profile.units.raid.Width`
`00:21.08`	Funkeh`	`125`
`00:22.31`	ag`_	`that error can't happen then :O`
`00:22.37`	ag`_	`and it doesn't happen for me either :P`
`00:22.51`	Funkeh`	`want me to screenshot you it or something? :P`
`00:23.10`	ag`_	`I believe you`
`00:23.18`	ag`_	`but I think you need to reset something :P`
`00:23.40`	Funkeh`	`gogo works after a relog`
`00:23.46`	Funkeh`	`delete your saved vars`
`00:23.48`	Funkeh`	`log in`
`00:23.52`	Funkeh`	`choose profile character`
`00:23.55`	Funkeh`	`before doing anything`
`00:24.00`	Funkeh`	`then try set scale`
`00:24.04`	Funkeh`	`no relogging etc`
`00:24.11`	ag`_	`yes`
`00:24.17`	ag`_	`don't change the profile`
`00:24.26`	Funkeh`	`i wanna change the p[rofile!`
`00:24.34`	Funkeh`	`profile* O_o`
`00:24.41`	ag`_	`yes, but do /rl after you changed the profile`
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`00:25.32`	Funkeh`	`all fine for me but not eevryone knows that ;)`
`00:26.58`	Funkeh`	`screw it i blame nymbia`
`00:27.15`	ag`_	`lots of addons doesn't work until after you /rl if you change profile`
`00:27.24`	ag`_	`ideally it should, but it's developers being lazy`
`00:27.27`	ag`_	`including me`
`00:27.39`	ag`_	`bartender3 explodes royally too`
`00:27.43`	`nymbia`	me too Funkeh`
`00:27.49`	Funkeh`	`ok i blame ckknight`
`00:28.29`	`ckknight`	it's ag`_'s fault
`00:28.59`	`ckknight`	`but seriously, use :OnProfileEnable`
`00:29.19`	ag`_	`ckknight: yes`
`00:29.24`	ag`_	`I know it is my fault`
`00:30.37`	`ckknight`	`it's okay, let it out.`
`00:30.46`	`ckknight`	`on that note, it feels like time for tacos.`
`00:30.49`	Funkeh`	`on nymbia`
`00:30.52`	Funkeh`	`then fix it!`
`00:32.16`	Funkeh`	`ah crap`
`00:32.22`	Funkeh`	`bandage is 15 yards or 20?`
`00:32.45`	`nymbia`	`seems like 15`
`00:32.48`	Funkeh`	`doesn't exactly say`
`00:32.56`	Funkeh`	`ok`
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`00:35.47`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r30559 10BigWigs_GruulAssist/BigWigs_GruulAssist.toc: BigWigs_GruulAssist: fix description`
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`00:38.01`	`pogotribal`	`Hey.`
`00:38.19`	`abyssichate`	`What does BigWigs_GruulAssist actually do?`
`00:38.21`	`pogotribal`	`Anyone know of a system to track bank items and gives an output of some sort?`
`00:38.44`	`abyssichate`	`Oh, range checker, fine`
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`00:41.02`	ag`_	`ckknight: on profile change`
`00:41.10`	ag`_	`ckknight: what happens to self.db.profile`
`00:41.23`	ag`_	`ah`
`00:41.52`	ag`_	`when I change the profile bad things happen because I have a reference to self.db.profile`
`00:42.07`	ag`_	`which dies on profile change, hrm`
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`00:42.15`	`Ironhand`	`is there an addon that allows me to have multiple tabs on one chat window, even if the "General" window isn't part of this? it appears the default Blizz UI doesn't allow this`
`00:42.19`	`Aens\|Superiority`	ag`_: is there a bug currently with buffs/debuffs showing on target, tot, focus?
`00:42.28`	`nymbia`	`i think OnProfileDisable is before self.db.profile changes, and OnProfileEnable is after`
`00:42.44`	ag`_	`Aens\|Superiority: I haven't had any trouble with it`
`00:43.00`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`weird. Its only showing some buffs/debuffs for me, not all`
`00:43.14`	ag`_	`Aens\|Superiority: disable aura filter?`
`00:43.34`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`oh, thats probably why.`
`00:43.45`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`I haven't touched the settings, just had to resize the scale and such`
`00:44.01`	ag`_	`I think it's off per default at least now it is`
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`00:44.18`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`ok, i think that fixed it. Thanks`
`00:44.38`	`CIA-11`	`03kodewulf * r30560 10Cartographer_Trainers/ (addon.lua import.lua):`
`00:44.38`	`CIA-11`	`Cartographer_Trainers`
`00:44.38`	`CIA-11`	`- Removed chat spam (debug)`
`00:46.11`	`ckknight`	ag`_: just refix the reference at OnProfileEnable
`00:46.20`	`abyssichate`	`Anyway, there is no way of timing the first Ground Slam on Gruul, right?`
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`00:54.36`	Funkeh`	`its _usually_ 40 or so seconds`
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`01:06.13`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r30561 10BigWigs_GruulAssist/BigWigs_GruulAssist.lua: BigWigs_GruulAssist: :format ftw`
`01:07.07`	`Phatrik`	`when Gruul dies, it's when he bugs and doesnt slam :3`
`01:07.39`	Funkeh`	`our kills have been genuine`
`01:08.02`	`Kinkx`	`lots of guilds killed him bugged :/`
`01:08.37`	`Kinkx`	Whats the top DPS in a Gruul fight for you guild, Funkeh`?
`01:08.46`	Funkeh`	`11k`
`01:09.03`	`Kinkx`	`I mean, which classes are top5 etc, sorry :)`
`01:09.08`	Funkeh`	`we ahd that on 1 attempt tonight, didn't have best dps classes in`
`01:09.26`	Funkeh`	`oh, warlock, mage lock rogue me`
`01:09.33`	Funkeh`	`(shadow priest)`
`01:10.27`	`Kinkx`	`Ours are filled with rogue, warlock warrior, rogue, rogue.. our caster DPS sucks, they must be all doing something wrong shrug`
`01:10.43`	Funkeh`	`well they will suck if they die a lot`
`01:11.25`	Funkeh`	`as in they won't get the dps time others do`
`01:11.38`	`Kinkx`	`Nah, our rogues die more, but still they're on top`
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`01:12.03`	Funkeh`	`heh`
`01:12.07`	`Kinkx`	`Yea...`
`01:12.18`	Funkeh`	`you ahve a shadow priest in raid?`
`01:12.39`	`Kinkx`	`Yep, we have a good one, hes always in top10 at least`
`01:12.48`	Funkeh`	`hmm`
`01:12.55`	Funkeh`	`no idea :p`
`01:13.05`	`CIA-11`	`03jncl * r30562 10Skinner/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Skinner: Skinned Bagnon again :)`
`01:13.25`	`Kinkx`	`Yea :)`
`01:15.03`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r30563 10Doodle/Doodle.lua:`
`01:15.03`	`CIA-11`	`Doodle:`
`01:15.03`	`CIA-11`	`- Error more descriptively.`
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`01:15.58`	Funkeh`	`more descriptively nymbia, more descriptively!`
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`01:16.27`	`pdpi`	`good evening`
`01:16.57`	Funkeh`	`hi`
`01:17.23`	`nymbia`	pft Funkeh`
`01:18.55`	`*** part/#wowace JoshBorke (n=Josh@lawn-128-61-122-178.lawn.gatech.edu)`
`01:18.58`	ag`_	`all good guilds use shadow priests these days`
`01:19.10`	ag`_	`Paladins are much better healers anyway`
`01:19.14`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r30564 10BigWigs_GruulAssist/BigWigs_GruulAssist.lua: BigWigs_GruulAssist: add frFR and deDE bandage names`
`01:19.30`	ag`_	`and priest holy talents 21, 31, 41 all suck`
`01:19.34`	Funkeh`	damn right ag`_ !
`01:19.42`	`pdpi`	`Using shadow priests doesn't necessarily preclude you from using holy priests, really`
`01:20.06`	ag`_	`I didn't say so :)`
`01:20.14`	`pdpi`	`My raid group (Kara) uses two of the latter and one of the former`
`01:20.33`	`knarf-`	ag`_ I Like CoH
`01:20.56`	ag`_	`knarf-: I never even bothered to try it out :P`
`01:21.02`	`knarf-`	`its pretty cool`
`01:21.03`	`knarf-`	`:)`
`01:21.23`	ag`_	`it just seems to situational and mana costly to be worth it`
`01:21.26`	`knarf-`	`i'm keeping myself and others alive in arena fights due to that talent :)`
`01:21.37`	`knarf-`	`the mana cost is not that huge anymore imho`
`01:21.50`	`pdpi`	`does any of you know whether it's possible to change the opacity of the "middle frames" in skinner?`
`01:21.50`	ag`_	`how much is it`
`01:21.58`	`pdpi`	`450 mana`
`01:22.06`	`pdpi`	`base at least`
`01:22.07`	`knarf-`	`441 mana for a ~700 heal`
`01:22.36`	`eternally777`	`crits for a little over 1k too`
`01:22.44`	ag`_	`with 5/5 instant spell mana reduction?`
`01:22.55`	ag`_	`do you place a targetting circle or does it hit around your target?`
`01:23.02`	`knarf-`	`I only got 1 point in Mental Agility`
`01:23.05`	ag`_	`ok`
`01:23.07`	`knarf-`	`around my target`
`01:23.10`	ag`_	`ok`
`01:23.17`	ag`_	`and how far around it?`
`01:23.19`	`knarf-`	`its decent for healing melee groups too`
`01:23.36`	`knarf-`	`18 yards around the target`
`01:23.36`	`pdpi`	`Like I said: 450 mana base :)`
`01:24.14`	`knarf-`	`It allows me to PVP in arena atleast now that pom have a 10sec delay :)`
`01:24.25`	`knarf-`	`i'm pve raid healing specced btw :)`
`01:24.42`	`knarf-`	`20/41/0`
`01:24.47`	ag`_	`arena pvp requires that anti crit talent`
`01:24.54`	`knarf-`	`not really :)`
`01:25.06`	ag`_	`if you want to live longer it does :P`
`01:25.10`	`knarf-`	`meh`
`01:25.17`	`knarf-`	`it is not by much tbh`
`01:25.20`	ag`_	`it's only 3 points`
`01:25.23`	`knarf-`	`I had it pre tbc`
`01:25.31`	`knarf-`	`I know but its 3 points of no use to the raid`
`01:25.34`	`knarf-`	`:)`
`01:25.38`	`knarf-`	`pve that is`
`01:25.47`	ag`_	`yeah, in pve it's no use`
`01:25.55`	ag`_	`but I don't care`
`01:26.07`	`knarf-`	`i'd love to have the talent, but it is not crucial imho :)`
`01:26.34`	ag`_	`I just respecced from shadow to holy today`
`01:26.39`	ag`_	`because we needed another healer`
`01:26.48`	ag`_	`I took it so I can do the final arena matches tomorrow`
`01:26.52`	`knarf-`	`I haven't been shadow since ~lvl 40 some year ago :P`
`01:27.01`	ag`_	`I respec around once a week`
`01:27.02`	ag`_	`:P`
`01:27.07`	ag`_	`back and forth`
`01:27.18`	`knarf-`	`I am gonna respec shadow one of theese days to go farm and pvp though`
`01:27.23`	`break19`	`<- too cheap to respec more than a couple of times`
`01:27.32`	`knarf-`	`farming as raid pve heal spec is just sad :<`
`01:27.32`	`break19`	`I'l rather just make an alt. heh`
`01:27.49`	`break19`	`s/i'l/i'd`
`01:28.10`	ag`_	`I'm aiming to be shadow in pve, but sometimes we need an extra healer, so I go respec, also I don't play in my arena team as shadow, as shadow priests kinda suck in arenas`
`01:28.13`	`Tain`	`Respecs are so cheap, it's a shame not to experiment.`
`01:28.20`	`knarf-`	`cheap ?`
`01:28.27`	`break19`	`Tain: not cheap enough.`
`01:28.28`	ag`_	`50g isn't that much in BC`
`01:28.31`	`knarf-`	`50g aint cheap imho :>`
`01:28.39`	`Tain`	`50g is nothing.`
`01:28.44`	`Tain`	`Barely even worth thinking about.`
`01:28.51`	`break19`	ag`_: it is when your highest char is a lvl 61 hunter on a different server you never play on anyway.
`01:28.52`	ag`_	`no, it's not cheap, but it's far less than it was before BC`
`01:29.04`	`knarf-`	`Tain depends on how eaasy you can get it ^^`
`01:29.09`	ag`_	`break19: level 70 :)`
`01:29.13`	`Tain`	`It's fucking cheap at 60, it's barely a drop in TBC.`
`01:29.28`	ag`_	`yes, 50g sucked hard at level 60`
`01:29.30`	`break19`	`I know.. my wife bought her druid an epic flying mount and had 800g left over.. I was like "wtf?`
`01:29.54`	`knarf-`	`I don't even have en epic flying mount yet ^^`
`01:30.04`	`Tain`	`If you can't make 50g in a single night at 60 you're doing things wrong. It goes down exponentially after 60.`
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`01:30.08`	`break19`	`my hunter hasnt even gotten his regular epic mount yet. heh`
`01:30.13`	`break19`	`and I dont play there anyway`
`01:30.26`	ag`_	`everybody pray that my motherboard arrives tomorrow. I bought it on ebay ;P`
`01:30.43`	`break19`	ag`_: thanks.
`01:30.48`	`knarf-`	`Tain requires you to be able to kill stuff to do that ...`
`01:30.53`	`break19`	ag`_: now that damn weird al song is in my head.
`01:31.04`	ag`_	`ahaha that song`
`01:31.10`	ag`_	`I didn't even think of it`
`01:31.18`	`Tain`	`What class can't kill things at 60 (and above it just gets easier to make money)`
`01:31.19`	ag`_	`I almost can't remember how it is`
`01:31.31`	`break19`	`i have it in my itunes collection`
`01:31.33`	`knarf-`	`Tain holy specced priest?`
`01:31.47`	`break19`	`because my baby sister's kids love it`
`01:31.51`	ag`_	`knarf-: time to level a hunter alt`
`01:31.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: resto shammies?`
`01:32.10`	`knarf-`	ag`_ I don't like hunters :)
`01:32.12`	`break19`	`Tain: resto druids?`
`01:32.26`	`knarf-`	ag`_ i'm lvling my rogue now and then but i'd much rather play my priest :)
`01:32.42`	`knarf-`	ag`_ got a mage too , both my rogue and mage is lvl 62 but meh
`01:32.53`	`break19`	`Tain: I'd say holy paladins, but they can kill stuff.. just takes em a while.`
`01:32.54`	`Tain`	`Priest, Shammy maybe. Druid? Never. Not ever. Even completely unspecced with no talent points spent.`
`01:32.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`explains why knarf don't like hunters =)`
`01:32.57`	ag`_	`my highest level alt is 36 :(`
`01:33.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: prot warriors, kind of. About as effective as holy pallies.`
`01:33.16`	ag`_	`I have a priest on level 70 and one at 60, on the same server, don't ask me why.`
`01:33.36`	`knarf-`	ag`_ 1 is shadow the other is holy ?
`01:34.52`	ag`_	`nah, both were shadow up until today`
`01:34.52`	`knarf-`	`Tain don't tell me that a holy pve raid specced priest is enjoyable farming with`
`01:34.52`	`Tain`	`Prot Warriors and (any spec) Paladin can kill anything fine. May be slower than some others, but also a lot less risk of any dying.`
`01:34.52`	`knarf-`	ag`_ freak !
`01:34.52`	`break19`	`I have a 61 bm hunter, 44 arms/fury hybrid warrior, 34 holy priest on 1 server, and a 38 combat/mace rogue on the server I actually play on now.`
`01:34.52`	`Tain`	`Who said annything about enjoyable?`
`01:34.53`	`knarf-`	`sorta implies`
`01:34.53`	`Tain`	`I said possible. Enjoyable is your problem.`
`01:34.53`	`knarf-`	`why do something you don't enjoy`
`01:34.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: that depends on what's being killed. Elementals rip me to shreds on my warriors.`
`01:34.56`	ag`_	`knarf-: spec 31/30 power infusion smite spec, holy dps spec for you :P`
`01:34.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`er, warrior, single.`
`01:35.01`	`chutwig`	`wow i sure don't like nightbane`
`01:35.04`	`*** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Jarentha@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com)`
`01:35.07`	`knarf-`	ag`_ I had a fine holy dps spec
`01:35.10`	`chutwig`	`hey i'm going to fear you in front of me and then cleave`
`01:35.11`	`Tain`	`So why would you fight them, NightHawkTheSane?`
`01:35.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`To get motes?`
`01:35.20`	`knarf-`	ag`_ with spirit tap and deep in holy to have Surge of Light
`01:35.21`	`knarf-`	`its fine`
`01:35.26`	`knarf-`	`I enjoyed farming with that`
`01:35.28`	ag`_	`I have a +40 holy damage cloak`
`01:35.35`	`Tain`	`I don't care about motes.`
`01:35.43`	`knarf-`	`but raid pve healing spec is just making me sad :<`
`01:35.45`	`Tain`	`I was talking about one specific thing.`
`01:35.49`	`Tain`	`Making money.`
`01:36.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`motes are a good way to make money, incidentally`
`01:36.05`	`Tain`	`Any class can do it. If you choose not to or make bad choices that is outside the scope of that.`
`01:36.09`	`break19`	`but I'm gonna answer the call of the pillow`
`01:36.13`	ag`_	`Tain: what's your fastest way to make money? :P`
`01:36.27`	`Tain`	`Yes hC they are, but if you are a class that can't do that easily then it's silly to even bring it up.`
`01:36.28`	`knarf-`	`I want to know that too ^^`
`01:36.29`	`break19`	`it's been screaming "drool on me!" for about 15minutes now.`
`01:37.04`	`break19`	`so g;night`
`01:37.11`	`knarf-`	`break19 g'nite`
`01:37.16`	`Tain`	`I really think people just don't want to spend the time to make money and would rather complain about how hard it is to do instead.`
`01:37.29`	`Tain`	`Anyone can, and without a lot of effort. But it does take effort.`
`01:37.57`	`knarf-`	`Tain farming the entire day, and then raiding the entire night sure, but thats not quite that fun`
`01:38.20`	`Tain`	`I never said anything about fun. I said people could do it.`
`01:38.47`	`Tain`	`Complaining about being broke may be fun, I don't know.`
`01:38.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: I'm not arguing that making money is relatively easy. I'm just saying that inherently linking it to killing mobs is a little silly. If i really wanted to make money on my prot warrior, i wouldnt kill things. I'd herb.`
`01:39.53`	`Tain`	`I'm not linking it to anything. There's a multitude of ways to make money, for all classes.`
`01:40.15`	`Tain`	`I think the peopel who say they can't are simply not willing to do it, however the method.`
`01:40.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Well you said "all classes can kill things", so the implicit assumption was there`
`01:40.27`	`Tain`	`They can.`
`01:40.40`	`knarf-`	`I can kill thins on my priest in dmg gear sure`
`01:40.44`	`Tain`	`That doesn't mean there aren't other ways.`
`01:40.54`	`knarf-`	`things*`
`01:41.19`	`Tain`	`People put FAR too much credit into individual specs.`
`01:41.24`	`knarf-`	`but it is in no way effecient compared to other classes, or beign another spec I choose to be pve raid specced because I like it`
`01:41.31`	`knarf-`	`being*`
`01:41.37`	`Tain`	`What the fuck does efficient have to do with it?`
`01:41.59`	`Tain`	`If you want to be efficient, plot that out from day one and chart the most efficient course.`
`01:42.06`	`Tain`	`For the rest of us it's a sliding scale.`
`01:43.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`shrug for the record, I feel perfectly justified in bitching about the inefficiency of my spec, if other classes dont suffer the same. :P`
`01:43.58`	`knarf-`	`NightHawkTheSane me2`
`01:44.02`	`Tain`	`I really think people put more effort into emo bitching about things than it would take to just do it.`
`01:44.21`	`knarf-`	`Tain do what`
`01:44.44`	`Tain`	`Do what people are complaining about. In this specific case, making gold.`
`01:44.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: I can perfectly well do both quite effectively. :)`
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`01:44.51`	`CIA-11`	`-- 31679:120 Fel Strength`
`01:44.51`	`CIA-11`	`-- 22837:75 Heroic Potion`
`01:44.51`	`CIA-11`	`-- 22828:120 Insane Strength Potion`
`01:45.28`	`Tain`	`You can complain and make money effectively?`
`01:45.35`	`Tain`	`I guess that's... good.`
`01:45.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes.`
`01:46.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I never said I wasn't capable of doing it with some amount of effectiveness, merely that it's not as efficient as other classes and I feel justified in bitching about it. :)`
`01:47.53`	`knarf-`	`classes that have to "sacrifice" in order for other classes to get phat lewt in raids is allowed to bitch imho ^^`
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`01:51.58`	`Tain`	`Justified is.. an interesting view.`
`01:52.16`	`knarf-`	`But anyway, i'm gonna spec shadow next time we have a break in raid schedule and farm after som gold to pay repair costs and whatnot ^^`
`01:52.19`	`TheKarn`	`anyone got a link to that python update script?`
`01:52.24`	`Tain`	`I wouldn't feel justified complaining that I can't heal the warrior next to me as a Rogue.`
`01:52.43`	`Tain`	`But I guess someone else could feel justified that they can't kill something as easily as another class.`
`01:52.47`	`Tain`	`If they were... insane.`
`01:52.56`	`knarf-`	`Tain thats not what we are talking about here`
`01:53.54`	`Tain`	`We were talking about making gold.`
`01:54.09`	`Tain`	`W`
`01:54.16`	`Tain`	`Which any class can do.`
`01:54.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: let me put it this way. a rogue can spec full combat and have excellent dps in raids and while soloing. Prot warriors (or holy priests, resto shammies, whatever) are required for raiding, but are MUCH worse at solo killing.`
`01:54.39`	`knarf-`	`same applies for warlocks and mages`
`01:55.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Well you can substitute a lot of classes in each place, im just making an example`
`01:55.24`	`knarf-`	`if I spec for it, sure I can dps as a holy spec or a disc spec, or a shadow spec, but on my current spec its just retardet trying to farm anything to make gold, compared to the other specs I could have`
`01:55.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: so my point is, why am I forced to sacrifice solo viability for raid viability while other classes aren't?`
`01:56.05`	`knarf-`	`what nighthawk said ^^`
`01:56.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`And that very directly affects my ability to make money.`
`01:56.50`	`knarf-`	`I don't know a lot of warriors who have herbalism either :)`
`01:57.22`	`knarf-`	`but professions aside :)`
`01:57.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Well, I do, which helps, but professions are a moot point really`
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`01:58.56`	`CIA-11`	`Doodle:`
`01:58.56`	`CIA-11`	`- Fix not compressing line data before sending`
`02:00.46`	`knarf-`	`Oh well i'm gonna go to bed now`
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`02:01.53`	`CIA-11`	`Doodle:`
`02:01.53`	`CIA-11`	`- Typo`
`02:02.30`	`Tain`	`I can sum it up by saying.`
`02:02.32`	`Tain`	`WAAAAAAAAAH`
`02:03.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`whatever :P`
`02:03.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`what class(es) do you play, out of curiosity?`
`02:03.17`	`knarf-`	`Tain what class are you again ?`
`02:03.40`	`Tain`	`WAAAAAAAH`
`02:03.48`	`knarf-`	`Mature`
`02:03.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`very`
`02:03.59`	`Tain`	`Shaman, Pally, Rogue, Warrior, Hunter`
`02:04.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`all of them actively?`
`02:04.55`	`Tain`	`Oops forgot about the 60 Mage, but I don't play him.`
`02:05.57`	`pdpi`	`and how many hours per day do you play, on average?`
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`02:06.33`	`Tain`	`None right now.`
`02:07.05`	`pdpi`	`care to answer in a more useful manner?`
`02:07.27`	`Tain`	`Sure, how would you prefer?`
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`02:08.21`	`Tain`	`I'm afraid I don't know sign language or smoke signals. :/`
`02:08.36`	`pdpi`	`Well, by your answer I'll assume you're inactive in-game for the time being. While active, how many hours per day do you play, on average?`
`02:09.08`	`Tain`	`Per day is a meaningless number since I never played every day.`
`02:09.21`	`knarf-`	`"on average"`
`02:09.24`	`Tain`	`However, per week... let me think.`
`02:09.34`	`pdpi`	`do you always dodge questions like that, or is it just for this discussion?`
`02:09.51`	`Tain`	`I'm thinking, not dodging. It isn't my fault you're asking silly questions.`
`02:09.58`	`pdpi`	`...`
`02:10.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`He asked a perfectly valid question. you're dodging it.`
`02:10.08`	`nymbia`	`what's wrong with having multiple characters?`
`02:10.28`	`knarf-`	`nymbia nothing :)`
`02:10.30`	`pdpi`	`Other than the extra investment of time to make sure they're all aptly geared?`
`02:10.35`	`Tain`	`Since I'm a generous person I'll ignore the useless question and answer what you're probably aiming for.`
`02:10.36`	`nymbia`	`most people have played enough time to have a character of every class @ 70`
`02:10.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nymbia: erm, nothing?`
`02:10.53`	`Tain`	`I played between 20-30 hours a week when truly active.`
`02:11.34`	`pdpi`	`so, on average, 3-4 hours per day, give or take. Which would've answered my original question`
`02:12.47`	`Tain`	`I'm assuming you think you have some point relevant to my original statement which is, "Anyone of any class can make money."`
`02:13.23`	`pdpi`	`Well, of course everybody can make money. Considering the amount of semantics you're using for arguing, 10c is money`
`02:14.10`	`pdpi`	`Which doesn't in any way detract from the fact that a Prot warrioror Holy priest has more trouble farming mobs than I do (combat rogue)`
`02:14.12`	`Tain`	`Since we were talking in terms of respeccing it was 50g.`
`02:14.28`	`knarf-`	`100g`
`02:14.42`	`pdpi`	`*warrior or (...)`
`02:14.52`	`pdpi`	`100g plus skills costs if you want to be picky`
`02:15.02`	`pdpi`	`anyway... on with the show`
`02:15.22`	`knarf-`	`well more for the fact that you have to spec back to help the raid :)`
`02:15.34`	`pdpi`	`50g each way, knarf`
`02:15.43`	`Tain`	`So you can't make 100g in a night?`
`02:15.44`	`knarf-`	`More or less, yes :)`
`02:16.03`	`knarf-`	`Tain can you make 100g while raiding ?`
`02:16.10`	`Tain`	`That wasn't what I asked.`
`02:16.31`	`knarf-`	`But that is my answer :)`
`02:16.35`	`pdpi`	`Let's say that a player can make, say, 100g per hour`
`02:16.42`	`pdpi`	`while actively farming`
`02:16.50`	`Tain`	`Oh so I'm avoiding questions. Right-o!`
`02:17.11`	`knarf-`	`Tain Did I ever say that ?`
`02:17.17`	`pdpi`	`by your estimate of your level of activity, that leaves 2-3 hours per day of play time, about enough for an instance run`
`02:17.34`	`Tain`	`You're saying instance run.`
`02:17.35`	`pdpi`	`Or a short raid session`
`02:17.37`	`Tain`	`I'm saying money making.`
`02:17.44`	`Tain`	`How you choose to do that is up to you.`
`02:18.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`This argument is going to go nowhere, so its best to jsut stop`
`02:18.05`	`pdpi`	`What I'm saying is that for money to have meaning, you have to do something with it`
`02:18.21`	`Tain`	`And I don't know what you said, knarf-. I don't pay attention to individuals, nonsense arguments get lumped in all together to me.`
`02:19.18`	`nymbia`	`why do people need 100g a night again? (sorry been doing magtheridon, not paying enough attention)`
`02:19.26`	`knarf-`	`NightHawkTheSane its going somewhere, for sure :>`
`02:19.41`	`knarf-`	`nymbia to respec back and forth every day`
`02:19.41`	`Tain`	`My assertion remains as it was from the beginning. Respecs are cheap compared to the money you can make if you want to spend it on respces.`
`02:19.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`knarf-: if by "somewhere" you mean "around in circles", then yes.`
`02:19.53`	`pdpi`	`to experiment thoroughly with respecs, as Tain seems to believe that the cost of respecing is a drop in the ocean`
`02:20.17`	`nymbia`	`why would you need to respec back and forth every day if you're only on for a raid and an instance run?`
`02:20.22`	`knarf-`	`NightHawkTheSane hehe, maybe :)`
`02:20.52`	`Tain`	`nymbia: some insist that you have to respec back and forth in order to do things outside of raid versus inside of raid.`
`02:21.01`	`pdpi`	`not quite`
`02:21.32`	`Tain`	`I don't really care why someone feels they should respec. I simply maintain that 50g is cheap after 60.`
`02:21.38`	`pdpi`	`they argued that the effectiveness of a prot warrior or holy priest/resto shaman or druid while farming for money is a fair bit lower than that of dps builds of the same classes`
`02:22.09`	`nymbia`	`well if you respec and spend enough time online to actually use that respec, then you can work a bit of farming time in while you wait for your arena queue or whatever you need to do outside your raid`
`02:22.24`	`Tain`	`And as I've said from the beginning of this pdpi, that's irrelevant. Being more or less effective in a specific area means nothing.`
`02:22.36`	`NimbleRabit`	`What are chained macros? Elkano said something about them when I mentioned needing a macro bigger than 255 characters but I was afk.`
`02:23.49`	`pdpi`	`of course it doesn't, Tain. I'm just delusional about it being relevant that the rate of money farming for a tank must at least cover his repair bills, which are hefty, and probably his mats bills for crafting skills, which, again, are hefty for a BS`
`02:24.24`	`pdpi`	`and paint it whatever way you want, a rogue or mage can always gather money faster than a prot warrior or resto shaman`
`02:24.43`	`Tain`	`Which was never my point.`
`02:24.50`	`nymbia`	`my MT makes money faster than i can as a mage :(`
`02:24.54`	`nymbia`	`damn mining`
`02:25.05`	`pdpi`	`well, all else being equal, of course`
`02:25.09`	`Tain`	`That's just it, nymbia. Anyone can make money, in a lot of ways.`
`02:25.35`	`Tain`	`Some are better at doing it in solo combat, some better in instance groups, some better in gathering or tradeskills.`
`02:26.28`	`pdpi`	`Except everybody can potentially become equally good at some of those, but not others, which was the point.`
`02:26.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`You want your point Tain? Fine, here's yoour damn point. As a prot warrior. I -cannot- make enough money to cover pots, repair bills, and enchanting/gemming my gear without playing more than I am able to and also actually "play" the game (group, raid, etc). shrug`
`02:26.32`	`Tain`	`But anyone can if they want to.`
`02:26.49`	`NimbleRabit`	`50g is a lot imo`
`02:26.51`	`Tain`	`You're incorrect, NightHawkTheSane.`
`02:26.58`	`Tain`	`You can do it.`
`02:27.04`	`Tain`	`You simply don't do what you need to.`
`02:27.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`...`
`02:27.09`	`pdpi`	`right`
`02:27.21`	`pdpi`	`"what you need to" is simply "play more hours"`
`02:27.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`What I need to do? Which is what? Play more? SEll the herbs I need to make pots?`
`02:27.42`	`Tain`	`That may well be. I don't presume to suggest how everyone should play.`
`02:27.44`	`pdpi`	`in case you didn't notice, 20-30 hours a week is way more than most part time jobs, mate`
`02:28.07`	`pdpi`	`and most people can't put that many hours into the game`
`02:28.08`	`Tain`	`That's why I don't play now, pqplmnopri`
`02:28.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: no, you DO. you presume to suggest everyone should play in such a way that they are able to make money.`
`02:28.26`	`pdpi`	`bingo, tain`
`02:28.32`	`Tain`	`No, NightHawkTheSane.`
`02:28.36`	`Tain`	`I say that everyone can.`
`02:28.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`What if I'm only able to log on for raid times, due to out-of-game commitments? How do I make money that way?`
`02:28.41`	`Tain`	`Not that everyone should.`
`02:29.05`	`Tain`	`See, there's a different between the words, "can" and "should."`
`02:29.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`How are can and should any different in the context of complaining about making moeny?`
`02:29.15`	`pdpi`	`if you're suggesting that everyone can because everyone can potentially log in more time, that's daft beyond comprehension`
`02:29.19`	`Tain`	`Now there's a website, www.dictionary.com.`
`02:30.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`To state that I "can" do somehting to make money after complaining about making money, is to implicitly suggest that's what I "should" do.`
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`02:31.03`	`Tain`	`I didn't suggest anything. I said anyone, of any class, can do it.`
`02:31.16`	`pdpi`	`which is false.`
`02:31.23`	`Tain`	`If you don't want to then there's nothing wrong with that`
`02:31.31`	`Tain`	`AFter all, I choose not to at this point in time.`
`02:31.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`want has -nothing- to do with it`
`02:31.52`	`Tain`	`So if you want to, you're not physically able?`
`02:32.06`	`pdpi`	`like I said`
`02:32.14`	`pdpi`	`"if you're suggesting that everyone can because everyone can potentially log in more time, that's daft beyond comprehension"`
`02:32.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`As I said, in the (in this case, hypothetical) situation that I were only able to log into the game for raid times, then no i would be physically unable to make money.`
`02:32.30`	`Tain`	`So you don't want to.`
`02:32.43`	`Tain`	`And there's nothing wrong with that.`
`02:32.51`	`Tain`	`But blaming other people isn't the solution.`
`02:33.00`	`pdpi`	`lol`
`02:33.06`	`pdpi`	`who's blaming other people here?`
`02:33.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`wait, where did blaming other people come in to this?`
`02:33.18`	`knarf-`	`When he just thought of it`
`02:33.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Also, there's very much a difference bewtween "unable to play more" and "dont want to play more"`
`02:33.27`	`Tain`	`You've said that some classes can do it easier than tohers.`
`02:33.30`	`Tain`	`That sounds like blame.`
`02:33.33`	`pdpi`	`ROFL`
`02:33.54`	`pdpi`	`that's like saying there's some sort of blame assessment in saying that Marion Jones can run 100 metres faster than me`
`02:33.55`	`nymbia`	`i think the miscommunication is in the difference between 'limited by your character's class' and 'limited by your time online'`
`02:34.06`	`Tain`	`And unable is sort of a touchy term. If you are able to play, you're able to decide to play how you want to.`
`02:34.07`	`pdpi`	`no, nymbia`
`02:34.33`	`pdpi`	`Tain seems to be implying that you can make up for the former with the latter`
`02:34.55`	`Tain`	`If you choose to spend all of your available time doing things that don't make you money in game, then that's a choice. Not a limitation of any class.`
`02:35.22`	`pdpi`	`the whole argument started with BUILDS, not CLASSES`
`02:35.35`	`pdpi`	`specifically, builds that are required for instance/raid progression`
`02:35.56`	`Tain`	`IT's ok, you can replace that as you wish. It doesn't change reality any.`
`02:35.56`	`pdpi`	`basically, what you're saying is that everybody can become a chinese gold farmer`
`02:36.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: I'm not blaming any one person because of class differences in farming. I don'nt think its Joe Mage's fault that he can farm fatser than me. I'm -resentful- of the mage class as a whole because of that, but it's not directed towards individual`
`02:36.06`	`Tain`	`Any build of any class can earn money.`
`02:36.12`	`pdpi`	`and that deciding to play the game instead is their own fault`
`02:36.13`	`Tain`	`How you choose to do that is up to you.`
`02:36.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tain: you can tell my guild that I can't MT karazhan for them because I have to make money instead.`
`02:36.33`	`Tain`	`That's irrelevant, NightHawkTheSane.`
`02:36.40`	`pdpi`	`Of course it is`
`02:36.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, its not`
`02:36.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`It's the entire FUCKING POINT`
`02:36.51`	`Tain`	`Not my point.`
`02:36.58`	`pdpi`	`Of course not, Tain`
`02:37.02`	`Tain`	`I'm sorry if you're arguing another point.`
`02:37.04`	`pdpi`	`that'd ruin your whole line of reasoning`
`02:37.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`If i have X ammount of time to farm per week, and I can't farm fast enough to maek the money I need in That time, but another class can, then I'm going to bitch about it.`
`02:37.24`	`Tain`	`You're introducing time into it, no tme.`
`02:37.32`	`pdpi`	`precisely`
`02:37.33`	`Tain`	`I just said you can do it.`
`02:37.39`	`pdpi`	`lol`
`02:37.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`...`
`02:37.54`	`pdpi`	`except some people can't`
`02:38.00`	`Tain`	`NO.`
`02:38.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I apologize for the ad hominim attack taim, But you're an idiot.`
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`02:38.03`	`nymbia`	`i'm confused`
`02:38.04`	`Tain`	`Some people choose not to.`
`02:38.18`	`Tain`	`It's pretty simple.`
`02:38.19`	`pdpi`	`No. Some people can't actually pay the bills if they play more`
`02:38.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`And i think I spelled that wrong`
`02:38.22`	`Tain`	`You canmake money.`
`02:38.24`	`nymbia`	`so i'm just gonna go back to wiping to magtheridon`
`02:38.35`	`knarf-`	`nymbia good plan`
`02:38.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nymbia: good idea :)`
`02:38.39`	`pdpi`	`it's ad hominem, Nighthawk`
`02:38.39`	`Tain`	`It doesn't matter what class and spec you have. You can make money.`
`02:38.46`	`pdpi`	`nymbia, do that, for your own sake`
`02:38.49`	`Tain`	`You can introduce any other guidelines and restrictions you want.`
`02:38.58`	`Tain`	`That doesn't change my initial statement.`
`02:38.58`	`pdpi`	`Tain, out of curiosity`
`02:39.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pdpi: yeah, i thought so, in sethekk halls atm, so ;)`
`02:39.03`	`Tain`	`You CAN do it.`
`02:39.06`	`pdpi`	`you mean revenue, or profit?`
`02:39.21`	`pdpi`	`and if you can't tell the two apart, discussion's over.`
`02:39.31`	`JoshBorke`	`Kaelten: what was the decision on linkview?`
`02:39.59`	`Tain`	`pdpi you tell me. In what context were we talking about making money in the first place?`
`02:40.11`	`JoshBorke`	`hooking`
`02:40.15`	`pdpi`	`the only useful one: profit`
`02:40.29`	`Tain`	`No JoshBorke! We're not talking about spending money hooking!`
`02:40.44`	`pdpi`	`lol`
`02:41.03`	`pdpi`	`I certainly don't tip those blood elf dancers`
`02:41.06`	`JoshBorke`	`just use WhoMod, it does all the thinking for you`
`02:41.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pdpi: not the blood elf ones, but the orc ones? WOO WOO! :P`
`02:41.43`	`Tain`	`Really it's a whole lot of complaining about a very simple concept. Any class of any spec (or lack of spec) can make money.`
`02:41.45`	`pdpi`	`I never saw orc dancers actually`
`02:41.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the orc female ones look like trashed college chicks dancing on a table`
`02:42.03`	`Tain`	`Everything else is extraneous.`
`02:42.15`	`JoshBorke`	`ugly female dwarfs don't do so well...`
`02:42.34`	`knarf-`	`Tain and nowhere time has anything to do with that ?`
`02:42.43`	`pdpi`	`Tain, no they can't. And saying that they can just play more hours is a non-argument.`
`02:43.05`	`JoshBorke`	`really? what class can't make money?`
`02:43.09`	`Tain`	`I already laid down a guideline of hours.`
`02:43.20`	`Tain`	`I asked if you can't make 50g in one night.`
`02:43.31`	`pdpi`	`You did? didn't notice`
`02:43.33`	`pdpi`	`I can`
`02:43.52`	`knarf-`	`I can't`
`02:44.03`	`pdpi`	`and that ends the discussion`
`02:44.11`	`JoshBorke`	`knarf-: why not?`
`02:44.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`While I refuse to be drawn into this asinine argument, depending on the night, I can't either.`
`02:44.46`	`pdpi`	`NightHawk, we're talking on average, of course`
`02:44.56`	`knarf-`	`JoshBorke because I raid at :)`
`02:45.04`	`knarf-`	`night*`
`02:45.06`	`NimbleRabit`	`is it possible to check and see if a target has a raid icon in a macro? I want to make my macro stop halfway through if they do.`
`02:45.11`	`Tain`	`I simply refuse to believe that any class of any spec can't make 50g in one night at level 60 or above.`
`02:45.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pdpi: yeah, I havn't really thought about it on average. I havnt actually played my warrior in a few weeks, and making money while leveling my shammy to 70 is really inflated`
`02:45.29`	`pdpi`	`very much so, yes`
`02:45.29`	`Cryect`	`Umm tain healers sure can't solo really`
`02:45.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Cryect: stop now while you're ahead. please.`
`02:45.49`	`Cryect`	`Oh you said one night :-p`
`02:45.58`	`Cryect`	`I thought he said one hour`
`02:46.07`	`knarf-`	`I can however before raid jump into my dmg gear, kill a mob, drink up again and maybe get ganked while doing it :)`
`02:46.18`	`pdpi`	`and prot warriors might be able to generate the gold, but the revenue doesn't really translate into profit`
`02:46.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`knarf-: sounds like a night of farming for me. ;)`
`02:47.05`	`pdpi`	`Anyway, I've had my fair share of arguing with trolls for a night (Orc myself), and am off to bed`
`02:47.38`	`knarf-`	`sometimes I even end up dieing while trying to farm, thus making it all useless ^^`
`02:48.01`	`Tain`	`Lots of arguing about a silly subject.`
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`02:48.35`	`knarf-`	`Lots of arguing with a silly person :)`
`02:48.40`	`JoshBorke`	`no! i must attest for my small epeen!`
`02:48.57`	`Tain`	`I don't think you're silly, knarf-.`
`02:49.05`	`knarf-`	`Tain Likewise`
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`02:50.29`	`knarf-`	`Tain sure I can 'choose' not to use my 4 hours on raiding and go earn money instead, but what about all the guildmates then? :)`
`02:50.59`	`JoshBorke`	`they gotta farm too`
`02:51.11`	`Cryect`	`we talking about farming to repair?`
`02:51.46`	`knarf-`	`Cryect farming in general as prot warrior / holy priest/ resto shammie / tree druid in general :)`
`02:51.48`	`JoshBorke`	`Cryect: you do any more performance testing with GraphLib?`
`02:52.08`	`NimbleRabit`	`NeoTron, thanks for the comment. I probably will do that so I don't accidentally sacrifice when I meant to consume shadows (I have already done it once lol).`
`02:52.14`	`knarf-`	`Cryect not taking professions into account`
`02:52.18`	`Cryect`	`Hmmm well I could tell you the performance difference bewteen fast mode & slow mode is 300%`
`02:53.00`	`JoshBorke`	`are you sure creating a new table is necessary every slow iteration?`
`02:53.24`	`Cryect`	`the compiler doesn't seem to actually create a new table and I removed that so it doesn't anymore`
`02:53.31`	`Cryect`	`or I think I did`
`02:53.41`	`knarf-`	`But anyway, i'm gonna go to bed now and go to raid tomorrow evening hoping for no wipes so I can earn some gold to pay for other wipes, \o/`
`02:53.48`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, the new table isn't woth it :-D`
`02:53.49`	`Cryect`	`THe memory change was 0 when I checked`
`02:54.18`	`JoshBorke`	`huh, that doesn't quite sound correct as creating a table every OnUpdate does use memory and create garbage`
`02:55.32`	`NimbleRabit`	`Is there an OR conditional for macros? For example, I want to use an ability only if I'm in combat or I'm holding down alt.`
`02:55.33`	`Cryect`	`I didn't really worry about it the mode is just there for the theory of how it supposedly would work without any algorithm chagnes`
`02:55.52`	`Cryect`	`Nope only and`
`02:56.02`	`Cryect`	`heh if we could not our nots there would be`
`02:56.45`	`JoshBorke`	`there are some other tweaks you could implement too`
`02:57.25`	`JoshBorke`	`you're recalculating self.XMin-self.TimeRadius in the loops`
`02:57.35`	`JoshBorke`	`which you don't need to do more than once from what I can read`
`02:57.42`	`Cryect`	`yeah i shouldn't`
`02:57.49`	`Cryect`	`thats just a variable in the wrong place`
`02:58.09`	`JoshBorke`	`and you can localize self.BarHeight so you don't have to do the table lookup`
`03:00.33`	`kergoth`	`bah, its impossible to bind mouse wheel upa nd mouse wheel down with mybindings2, had to disable the addon to do it`
`03:00.34`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`03:01.02`	`JoshBorke`	`oh! and there was one big thing i checked. if you're simply calculating the maximum value in a table, it's better to do simple if statements than to use math.max`
`03:02.37`	`Cryect`	`wtf the compiler doesn't replace math.max with a macro?`
`03:03.32`	`JoshBorke`	`i did a performance test of: local m = 0; for i=1,10000000 do m = math.max(m,i) end; vs local m = 0; for i = 1,10000000 do if (i > m) m = i end end`
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`03:08.22`	`CIA-11`	`03eternally777 * r30569 10GetInLine/ (7 files in 3 dirs):`
`03:08.22`	`CIA-11`	`GetInLine:`
`03:08.22`	`CIA-11`	`* Initial import`
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`03:09.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i swear i end up grouping with the most brain dead tanks ever`
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`03:12.17`	`Symian`	`Hi - does anyone know what the error "'<eof>' expected near 'return'" means?`
`03:14.49`	`JoshBorke`	`means you got too many ends`
`03:14.55`	`Symian`	`Ah - thanks.`
`03:16.13`	`Symian`	`Is there anything else that can cause it? I can't find a superflous end`
`03:16.37`	`JoshBorke`	`pastey your code to ace.pastey.net`
`03:17.18`	`Symian`	`ace.pastey.net/8666`
`03:17.21`	`Symian`	`THanks, btw`
`03:17.44`	`Symian`	`The error is on line...`
`03:17.51`	`Symian`	`128`
`03:17.59`	`Symian`	`function GetPartyValues`
`03:18.53`	`Symian`	`And yes, I know the party code can be factored out... I'm just figuring it out for now.`
`03:20.04`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, that looks fine. dunno`
`03:21.03`	`Symian`	`:-( Thanks.`
`03:21.41`	`Symian`	`Hmm.`
`03:21.47`	`Symian`	`This is the second time this has happened`
`03:21.51`	`Symian`	`time to get a new text editor`
`03:22.08`	`Symian`	`I just fixed it by downloading the source code I just uploaded to pastey`
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`03:22.13`	`Symian`	`and copy/pasting it`
`03:22.23`	`Symian`	`so my text editor is popping in bad values`
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`03:25.31`	`CIA-11`	`GetInLine:`
`03:25.31`	`CIA-11`	`* Set externals`
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`03:42.53`	`NimbleRabit`	`If any warlocks out there are looking for some useful macros (at least I think they are useful) I just created a post with the ones I use. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=85311335&sid=1`
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`03:48.16`	`Austerity`	`Question: what would the action be for a button that onclick just brings up another addon is this possible?`
`03:48.47`	`Austerity`	`or the script is more correct of a question then action`
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`03:56.28`	`Symian`	`Austerity, if you mean, is it possible to make a an addon that enables other addons at the click of a button, it's sort-of possible IF the other addons are programmed with that functionality in mind`
`03:57.14`	`Symian`	`How to do that, well, I have an inkling, but I'm pretty new, so I would ask someone else.`
`04:00.21`	Funkeh`	`later folks`
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`04:10.52`	`Austerity`	`okay thank you, and do you mean like hooking funtions?`
`04:11.10`	`Austerity`	`ie the ace hooking lib`
`04:11.25`	`Austerity`	`lib=api`
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`04:13.30`	`CIA-11`	`aUF_Layouts:`
`04:13.30`	`CIA-11`	`Changed ZephLeft to ZephUF`
`04:13.30`	`CIA-11`	`Added Target frame to ZephUF`
`04:15.30`	`Austerity`	`sorry I am just trying to pick at the bigest brains I see in wow. Just keeps me from utter boardum`
`04:18.35`	`vhaarr`	`Austerity: Frankly, we can't answer your question until you put more effort into asking it.`
`04:18.46`	`Austerity`	`can do`
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`05:00.35`	`Pyrrhus`	`Sup all`
`05:00.58`	`nymbia`	`yo`
`05:01.08`	`Pyrrhus`	`quick question.. :)`
`05:01.20`	`Pyrrhus`	`Anyone here fairly good with auto transmissions?`
`05:02.08`	`nymbia`	`mine blew up one time and i could only use 2nd and 4th gear.`
`05:02.12`	`nymbia`	`other than that, no.`
`05:02.35`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`05:05.26`	`CIA-11`	`03jayrox * r30573 10FuBar_VampwatchFu/ (Core.lua Localization.lua): FuBar_VampwatchFu: Added a couple new options, added more strings to Localization.lua.`
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`05:22.44`	`Pyrrhus`	`So no transmission experts hanging around...?`
`05:23.11`	`Austerity`	`very funny`
`05:23.24`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`05:23.26`	`Pyrrhus`	`>.<`
`05:24.05`	`Austerity`	`I am no expert but I have replaced one or 22`
`05:24.16`	`Austerity`	`2*`
`05:24.29`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r30574 10PeriodicTable-3.0/PeriodicTable-3.0/PeriodicTable-3.0.lua:`
`05:24.29`	`CIA-11`	`PeriodicTable-3.0:`
`05:24.29`	`CIA-11`	`- Protect against internal errors if a bad item string is passed.`
`05:24.58`	`Pyrrhus`	`Well got a simple question for you tha :)`
`05:25.00`	`Pyrrhus`	`n`
`05:25.06`	`Pyrrhus`	`having a slight issue with mine`
`05:25.09`	`Austerity`	`shoot`
`05:25.26`	`Pyrrhus`	`bascially after say a highway ride more than 30 mins and car is all heated up...`
`05:25.39`	`Pyrrhus`	`the clutch/trans is diffrent for example..`
`05:25.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`when pushing in the clutch.. the first 25-50% seems like soft/dead zone`
`05:26.12`	`Austerity`	`sliping`
`05:26.15`	`Pyrrhus`	`and shifting becomes extremly hard.. almost like the clutch isnt push all the way down`
`05:26.19`	`Pyrrhus`	`not slipping at all`
`05:26.36`	`Pyrrhus`	`just like a dead zone`
`05:26.38`	`Austerity`	`like it is missing the gear?`
`05:26.41`	`Pyrrhus`	`nope`
`05:27.10`	`Austerity`	`becomes hard as if there is pressure against you`
`05:27.23`	`Pyrrhus`	`no not on the clutch..`
`05:27.35`	`Pyrrhus`	`the first 25-50% is like air..`
`05:27.42`	`Pyrrhus`	`theres no resistance at all`
`05:27.44`	`Austerity`	`got that`
`05:27.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`and the shifter is touch to say downshift to 4th or 3rd`
`05:28.02`	`Pyrrhus`	`tough`
`05:28.10`	`Pyrrhus`	`like it wont go into the gear at all`
`05:28.47`	`Pyrrhus`	`someone suggested..`
`05:28.51`	`Austerity`	`this is only on the downshift or no matter which way you were to go`
`05:28.58`	`Pyrrhus`	`no matter which way`
`05:29.04`	`Pyrrhus`	`like it comes out of lets say 5th fine..`
`05:29.10`	`Pyrrhus`	`but wont go back into any gear`
`05:29.20`	`Pyrrhus`	`when I press the clutch....`
`05:29.21`	`Austerity`	`but then stuck in nutral`
`05:29.27`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea`
`05:29.48`	`Pyrrhus`	`like I really have to press the clutch hard and work the stick into gear..`
`05:29.57`	`Pyrrhus`	`almost like I have to push the clutch through the floor`
`05:30.21`	`Pyrrhus`	`but this only happens after a longer drive IE 40 min drive to work and such`
`05:30.38`	`Pyrrhus`	`regular city driving I havent noticed it doing this at all`
`05:30.58`	`Pyrrhus`	`\|----------\| full clutch there....`
`05:31.08`	`Pyrrhus`	`\| \|-----\| after a drive lol`
`05:31.16`	`Pyrrhus`	`like the first 50% theres nothing there at all`
`05:31.21`	`Austerity`	`yea because you are constantly in use of it when in city`
`05:31.54`	`Pyrrhus`	`well if thats the case than it should do it first thing in the morning when I start off.. right?`
`05:32.08`	`Austerity`	`no no`
`05:32.18`	`Austerity`	`nutral is not a gear`
`05:32.26`	`Pyrrhus`	`ok`
`05:32.39`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r30575 10PeriodicTable-3.0/PeriodicTable-3.0/PeriodicTable-3.0.lua:`
`05:32.39`	`CIA-11`	`PeriodicTable-3.0:`
`05:32.39`	`CIA-11`	`- Bugfix in :IterateSet()`
`05:32.57`	`Austerity`	`it's only after what sounds like an extended time in a "high" gear`
`05:33.12`	`Pyrrhus`	`its a hydrolic clutch so someone suggested that when the car is fully warmed up that the pressure just isnt there,,,`
`05:33.20`	`Pyrrhus`	`Yea`
`05:33.35`	`Austerity`	`dose the effect stay untill you shut it down for a rest`
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`05:34.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`no lets say I hit a fast food resturant right after getting off the highway... when I come out of the drive through its fine`
`05:34.50`	`Pyrrhus`	`like 5-10 mins after getting off highway its fine`
`05:34.50`	`Austerity`	`I would have to say that is somewhat correct because in effect it is just automatically riding the clutch for you`
`05:34.52`	`Pyrrhus`	`so.. possibly add some fluid to the clutch?`
`05:35.44`	`Austerity`	`you can check those lvls`
`05:36.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`Alright well thx for trying to hel :)`
`05:36.56`	`Pyrrhus`	`any other possibilities?`
`05:37.20`	`Austerity`	`it's not that bifg of a problem it's not time to replace or anything to that nature`
`05:37.42`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea but it sucks on lets say...`
`05:37.46`	`Pyrrhus`	`an uphill exit ramp..`
`05:38.03`	`Pyrrhus`	`goto downshift to say 3rd and its a bitch to get it into 3rd lol`
`05:38.18`	`Pyrrhus`	`excuse my language but its the only way I can put it lol`
`05:38.36`	`Pyrrhus`	`specially with a car behind you.. lol`
`05:38.41`	`Austerity`	`I am trying to think of anything elase that could be holding that clutch from the gears`
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`05:38.52`	`Gagorian`	`Nerf clutch`
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`05:39.23`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`05:54.55`	`Austerity`	`one other suggestion would be at that gear just try a clutch ride for a sec tcompletely let off it and repress b4 gearing down or up just to see if it is triggering wrong`
`05:55.27`	`Austerity`	`sorry really slow brain today`
`05:56.04`	`Austerity`	`got wow functions and such takeing up to much memory I need an upgrade`
`05:56.13`	`Austerity`	`=)`
`05:57.04`	`Pyrrhus`	`Ok need UI suggestions :)`
`05:57.05`	`Pyrrhus`	`http://www.levelsixtynine.com/modules/Forums/files/screen_824.jpg`
`05:57.36`	`Pyrrhus`	`One thing I have noticed...... there is no enemy cast bar on the target frame.... :(`
`05:58.20`	`Austerity`	`that is your target fram above minmap?`
`05:58.43`	`Austerity`	`1st time seeing that`
`05:58.56`	`Pyrrhus`	`Yep`
`05:59.29`	`Pyrrhus`	`now granted.. the camera angle sucks because of the wall right behind me`
`05:59.41`	`Pyrrhus`	`but comments/suggestions?`
`06:00.28`	`Austerity`	`none that wouldn't be simple personal pref but that target frame deserves a clap`
`06:01.12`	`Pyrrhus`	`Yea its fully animated and all :)`
`06:01.19`	`Austerity`	`woot`
`06:01.38`	`Pyrrhus`	`and you can zoom in and out on it.. make it smaller or bigger`
`06:01.51`	`Pyrrhus`	`and the self frame way on the left....`
`06:02.00`	`Pyrrhus`	`the little guy I can spin around lol`
`06:02.21`	`haste`	`I don't really see the overall fuzz about mazzleui`
`06:02.31`	`Pyrrhus`	`its one of the best.. simply put`
`06:02.48`	`haste`	`It's very cluttered imo :p`
`06:02.55`	`Pyrrhus`	`that UI is cluttered?`
`06:02.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`how?`
`06:03.02`	`haste`	`and I dislike the bottom skin`
`06:03.09`	`Pyrrhus`	`well the skin you can change`
`06:03.17`	`Pyrrhus`	`theres several you can pick from`
`06:03.18`	`haste`	`it looks cluttered because the things don't really fit together`
`06:03.46`	`Pyrrhus`	`well the button arrangement is default.... although you could change to whatever you want`
`06:04.09`	`haste`	`I don't like buttons at all also :p`
`06:04.11`	`Pyrrhus`	`like theres a total of like 9 bars or some crap.. when I start tweaking it I plan on like 2 total`
`06:04.23`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea I might use something like trinity circle buttons`
`06:04.29`	`syeren`	`That UI.`
`06:04.31`	`Pyrrhus`	`thats bongos there`
`06:04.31`	`syeren`	`Is EUGH.`
`06:04.36`	`haste`	`I was thinking of buttons in general`
`06:04.38`	`Pyrrhus`	`syeren: lol`
`06:04.46`	`syeren`	`Why the fuck do you need an animated character?`
`06:04.55`	`syeren`	`You don't, Ever.`
`06:05.01`	`Pyrrhus`	`cause ive been playing wow to damn long to look at default`
`06:05.07`	`haste`	`syeren: people like fluff and non-default things`
`06:05.09`	`syeren`	`You don't need portraits ever.`
`06:05.24`	`Pyrrhus`	`its so I dont stare at bars all night`
`06:05.40`	`Pyrrhus`	`to me my UI is all about eye appeal`
`06:05.43`	`Austerity`	`=)`
`06:05.56`	`Pyrrhus`	`if im gonna play a game for uncounted ammout of hours..`
`06:06.03`	`Pyrrhus`	`I dont wanna burn my eyes doing so`
`06:06.06`	`syeren`	`I haven't used action bars for months either Haste ;p`
`06:06.21`	`haste`	`:3`
`06:06.32`	`syeren`	`Just a pointless waste of information.`
`06:06.33`	`Pyrrhus`	`well neither would I but being a mage I have way to many buttons to bind lol`
`06:06.48`	`haste`	`I play a warlock, rogue and a shaman`
`06:06.49`	`syeren`	`You're speaking to a Warlock / Priest player.`
`06:06.54`	`haste`	`without any visual buttons`
`06:06.57`	`syeren`	`Warlocks = More binds than anyone in the game.`
`06:07.01`	`Pyrrhus`	`like what you dont see there is the 3 sets of bars that are hidden for ports and what not`
`06:07.10`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r30576 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (5 files in 5 dirs):`
`06:07.10`	`CIA-11`	`PeriodicTable-3.0:`
`06:07.11`	`CIA-11`	`- Clarify an error in core, fix a bug in the compressor, and populate changes made to data.lua.`
`06:07.19`	`Pyrrhus`	`syeren: true lol`
`06:07.31`	`Austerity`	`so what are you guys doing just having counts for the macros?`
`06:07.32`	`Pyrrhus`	`but I dont ever use any shift/ctrl/alt combos`
`06:07.35`	`Pyrrhus`	`never have`
`06:07.51`	`haste`	`I don't like clicking the buttons with my mouse :(`
`06:08.09`	`Pyrrhus`	`only one I use is shift middle mouse.. that opened one of my bars with all my gems and ports and conjures on it lol`
`06:08.24`	`Austerity`	`or jsut have all in memory`
`06:08.28`	`Pyrrhus`	`only ones I click are like evo... and pots lol`
`06:08.37`	`syeren`	`Austerity, http://fabrikate.org/ui/ui_13307.jpg`
`06:08.37`	`Pyrrhus`	`and buffs`
`06:08.45`	`syeren`	`Although I have updated it quite a bit since then.`
`06:09.06`	`Pyrrhus`	`and you talk about cluttered lol`
`06:09.08`	`Pyrrhus`	`holy crap`
`06:09.09`	`Austerity`	`I seen your video`
`06:09.18`	`Pyrrhus`	`cant even see where your walking`
`06:09.20`	`haste`	`http://www.beverpung.net/images/games/wow/Otravi/ui/04032007.png :3`
`06:09.25`	`syeren`	`I'm a fucking priest.`
`06:09.28`	`syeren`	`I need to see that shit.`
`06:09.33`	`syeren`	`I don't have the fucking simple job that is DPS.`
`06:09.45`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea but... still I have a priest and my priest UI is alot cleaner lol`
`06:10.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`dear god syeren, is that your UI? how do you see anything with all that crap in the middle of your screen?`
`06:10.05`	`Pyrrhus`	`granted only 60 with bwl gear but... wow`
`06:10.22`	`syeren`	`All I need to see is what's in front of me.`
`06:10.32`	`syeren`	`I have vent for any excessive information.`
`06:10.45`	`Austerity`	`am i correct did you release a video at one time ?`
`06:10.54`	`syeren`	`A video of mine got released last week.`
`06:10.58`	`syeren`	`Me and a Rogue I think.`
`06:10.59`	`syeren`	`In PVE.`
`06:11.02`	`syeren`	`Boring shit like usual.`
`06:11.06`	`syeren`	`But hey, it's PVE.`
`06:11.24`	`syeren`	`Only other video I released was on my UD priest ;p`
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`06:11.55`	`Austerity`	`k`
`06:11.58`	`syeren`	`Just a second.`
`06:12.00`	`Pyrrhus`	`brb got a network crashing :)`
`06:12.03`	`syeren`	`http://fabrikate.org/wow/`
`06:12.08`	`syeren`	`You can see my UI in action there.`
`06:12.14`	`syeren`	`And see the immense lag that is WoW EU.`
`06:12.50`	`syeren`	`Basically it may be messy as fuck, but hey, I've been the top priest on every server I've played on.`
`06:12.53`	`syeren`	`So I guess it works ;)`
`06:14.24`	`Austerity`	`what I see of the video I was impressed by the amount of things actualy being done at once`
`06:14.45`	`Austerity`	`and eveything was right there plain as day`
`06:16.04`	`Pyrrhus`	`Grrrrrr why does the gamestop network have to crash now lol`
`06:16.23`	`Pyrrhus`	`<< hate work`
`06:18.29`	`Pyrrhus`	`So anyone fight fruul lately? :)`
`06:18.32`	`Pyrrhus`	`Gruul`
`06:18.42`	`syeren`	`No, I hate that faggot.`
`06:18.46`	`syeren`	`Fucking most stupid shit ever.`
`06:19.05`	`syeren`	`"FIRST RAID INSTANCE IN TBC, LET'S MAKE IT ABOUT RAID STACKING AND FUCKING LUCK, OH YEAH!"`
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`06:19.48`	`Silviu-`	And let`s make it all about a lot of pots + flasks
`06:19.51`	`Silviu-`	`:/`
`06:20.00`	`syeren`	`"Raid Stacking."`
`06:20.01`	`syeren`	`;)`
`06:20.07`	`syeren`	`I fucking hate that fight.`
`06:20.21`	`syeren`	`I hate the hours I am in that shit heap instance wiping because someone got knocked in a stupid direction.`
`06:20.40`	`syeren`	`I also hate how it is starting to kill my guild ---`
`06:22.00`	`Austerity`	`=O`
`06:22.11`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yeah, we killed Gruul last night. And we're going to have to do it probably 2 more times.`
`06:22.49`	`syeren`	`Zealot, I already have my guild saying when we kill it we're probably going to only kill it once more until it is tuned for the raid level it is designed for.`
`06:22.53`	`syeren`	`A.K.A. Entry.`
`06:23.20`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`We just want to get the damn quest items done and out of the way for our entire raid force.`
`06:23.37`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`then we'll probably never go back as a guild, unless they rehash old content again by sticking some future quest item on him.`
`06:23.49`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`not like they've ever done anything like that before, or anything.`
`06:24.54`	`syeren`	`I didn't mind that shit on Loatheb, because it was the fucking last 40 man instance and one of the last bosses, and you had no random luck factor which weighed heavily on the outcome.`
`06:25.31`	`syeren`	`But it's the first serious raid instance in TBC, and we spend 2 days a week there wiping on him.`
`06:25.43`	`syeren`	`And our guild members are starting to quit WoW etc out of boredom.`
`06:26.10`	`Austerity`	`man that UI is nutz so much to see I am going into seziures`
`06:26.47`	`Pyrrhus`	`Yea we spent the last 2 nights on him...`
`06:26.52`	`Pyrrhus`	`last night we got him to 8%`
`06:27.21`	`Pyrrhus`	`Ive gone broke trying to kill him`
`06:27.26`	`syeren`	`You watched that video Austerity :P?`
`06:27.30`	`Pyrrhus`	`between crafting gear and pots and shit`
`06:27.37`	`Pyrrhus`	`whats the link again Sye?`
`06:27.40`	`Pyrrhus`	`wanna watch :)`
`06:27.41`	`Austerity`	`I like the minmap having the chat texture backing`
`06:27.55`	`Austerity`	`still watching`
`06:28.07`	`syeren`	`http://fabrikate.org/wow/`
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`06:28.11`	`syeren`	`The only .wmv there.`
`06:28.21`	`syeren`	`It has no sound or editing though, it was uploaded to be used in another video ;p`
`06:28.46`	`Pyrrhus`	`hehe`
`06:29.11`	`Pyrrhus`	`ahh high king :)`
`06:29.17`	`Pyrrhus`	`love that fight`
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`06:29.30`	`syeren`	`As much fun as uploading my Gruul wipe recordings would be, I'd rather not.`
`06:29.37`	`syeren`	`And my Arena recordings are for me and my team only !`
`06:29.45`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`06:29.52`	`Pyrrhus`	`I could upload my gruul wipes :)`
`06:30.23`	`Austerity`	`wow your casting seeems unlimited your mana pool seemed to gain form certin casts that was nutz`
`06:30.47`	`syeren`	`I'm not even PVE spec :p`
`06:30.53`	`syeren`	`I don't have meditation or anything ;p`
`06:31.33`	`syeren`	`Towards the end you see a lot of horrible casting due to the EU Servers.`
`06:31.47`	`syeren`	`I cancel the cast by moving or pressing Caps Lock, and it still goes through.`
`06:31.55`	`syeren`	`So frustrating using 700 mana on nothing :/`
`06:32.29`	`Pyrrhus`	`I hear ya there`
`06:32.34`	`Pyrrhus`	`dont play on EU lol`
`06:32.52`	`Pyrrhus`	`still downloading.. slow ass work network`
`06:33.19`	`syeren`	`And if you're wondering I have 2 caster bars, it's because I only use my HUD one in PVP ;p`
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`06:35.09`	`Pyrrhus`	`haha that whatbitch is funny looking ;)`
`06:41.57`	`boobies4u`	`omfg, i fell asleep last night with a snuff under my upper lip`
`06:42.06`	`boobies4u`	`and woke up 7 hours later on couch with my mouth full of shit`
`06:42.16`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`um`
`06:42.28`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`that's...fascinating?`
`06:42.45`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`wait, no...the other thing`
`06:42.48`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`disgusting`
`06:42.52`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`yea, that's it`
`06:42.56`	`boobies4u`	`you failed sedatedChipmunk`
`06:43.04`	`boobies4u`	`your a geek, you are not supposed to try to be funny`
`06:43.28`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`i have ops; you laugh when i joke, mongrel!`
`06:43.37`	`boobies4u`	`oh noes`
`06:44.34`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`O_o`
`06:44.39`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`night folks >8P`
`06:44.41`	`CIA-11`	`03frrjak * r30577 10VanasKoS/VanasKoS.lua: VanasKoS: - Added new setting ShowWarnFrameTargetLevel`
`06:44.51`	`Pyrrhus`	`boobies4u: you had shit in your mouth because someone shitted in it :)`
`06:45.04`	`boobies4u`	`im not chinese.`
`06:45.07`	`Pyrrhus`	`and syeren that was a horrible king kill lol`
`06:46.20`	`Pyrrhus`	`you have like 5 or 6 people die`
`06:46.21`	`CIA-11`	`03frrjak * r30578 10VanasKoS/modules/ (DataGatherer.lua WarnFrame.lua): VanasKoS: - Implemented option to show the target's level in the warn frame when available. Since the level is not always available, a cache of known levels is kept per-session.`
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`07:03.24`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Grrr.`
`07:03.38`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Fricking HD DVR box we just got this afternoon conked out.`
`07:03.51`	`OverloadUT`	`Brand?`
`07:03.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Comcast is going to get a particularly verbose and nasty piece of my mind tomorrow.`
`07:04.01`	`OverloadUT`	`Hahahahhahaha`
`07:04.17`	`OverloadUT`	`I knew it was Comcast`
`07:04.27`	`OverloadUT`	`Their boxes are pieces of crap`
`07:04.36`	`OverloadUT`	`Even when they work, they suck`
`07:04.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`except they never work. because comcast fucking sucks`
`07:04.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Well, it's really our only choice here.`
`07:05.06`	`OverloadUT`	`I just wish the HD TiVo wasn't $800 or whatever the hell ridiculous price they gave it T_T`
`07:05.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Condo rules won't let us put a dish in anyplace that would be actually useful to, you know, receive a signal.`
`07:05.25`	`OverloadUT`	`You could get hd tivo ;)`
`07:05.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and we don't get Verison FioS here. Like, 4 blocks away . . .`
`07:05.40`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Uh, would still need an HD signal source to start with.`
`07:05.45`	`OverloadUT`	`Well yeah`
`07:05.57`	`OverloadUT`	`Comcast's HD signal works fine for the most part`
`07:06.03`	`OverloadUT`	`It's the software in that box that sucks`
`07:06.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and no, HD Tivos are, as you noted, pretty expensive.`
`07:06.11`	`OverloadUT`	`Yeah`
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`07:06.18`	`OverloadUT`	`That's the only problem :(`
`07:06.47`	`OverloadUT`	`Like not just a little expensive. You're comparing a HD box you can get from Comcast for free basically or a $800 box that you ALSO have to pay a monthly for :(`
`07:06.55`	`boobies4u`	`whats comcast`
`07:06.56`	`OverloadUT`	`Granted the free one sucks, but I mean...`
`07:07.01`	`OverloadUT`	`Cable company`
`07:07.03`	`OverloadUT`	`Cable TV`
`07:07.03`	`boobies4u`	`ah`
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`07:09.36`	`boobies4u`	`do they have adult?`
`07:10.22`	`syeren`	`Pyrrhus, to say our guild is still good would be an overstatement :p`
`07:10.34`	`syeren`	`We have 10-15 good members, and are carrying the rest.`
`07:10.51`	`boobies4u`	`raiding is overrated`
`07:11.02`	`boobies4u`	`casual gamingi with a tad of real life ftw`
`07:11.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`casual gaming and raiding are not mutually exclusive`
`07:12.43`	`boobies4u`	`damn wow geeks automaticly pops into defensive :(`
`07:12.51`	`Fisker-`	`Where can you download your own wiki?`
`07:13.20`	`boobies4u`	`getting a lapdance from a nelf doesent count`
`07:13.33`	`CIA-11`	`03jerry * r30579 10ItemBonusLib/ (ItemBonusLib.toc Libs/): ItemBonusLib: remove reference to CompostLib`
`07:13.38`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`07:13.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it does if you do it in naxx! ;)`
`07:14.13`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea syeren thats the same with alot of guilds out there.. a few really good people that know what they are doing.. the rest are completally gaming illiterate.. :)`
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`07:14.39`	`art3mis`	`wow remind me never to join a guild of eq friends`
`07:14.40`	`Pyrrhus`	`I mean dont get me wrong I have nothing against casual players.. I just ahte stupid people :)`
`07:14.50`	`Pyrrhus`	`art3mis: that bad? lol`
`07:15.07`	`art3mis`	`we were talking about class comparissions and i mentioned what i wish priests would get eventually`
`07:15.13`	`Pyrrhus`	`casual players can be great at the game.. gear does not make the player ya know?`
`07:15.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Pyrrhus: exactly`
`07:15.29`	`art3mis`	`he says "i wish i had a banish moron spell" i say "you do, it's called /quit"`
`07:15.36`	`Pyrrhus`	`LOL`
`07:15.53`	`Pyrrhus`	`I have a stfu macro :)`
`07:15.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`puts people on ignore lmao :)`
`07:16.23`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol /tar player /y STFU /ignore :)`
`07:16.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I stopped putting stupid people on ignore when I realized that it would end up being the entire server.`
`07:16.30`	`Pyrrhus`	`works great`
`07:16.56`	`Pyrrhus`	`well I generically dont leave people on ignore to long.. I generally give people a 2nd chance..`
`07:17.02`	`Pyrrhus`	`which I think is a downfall for me lol`
`07:17.07`	`art3mis`	`gl gives a paragraph saying we dont tell other guild members to quit, i say he he prolyl shouldnt have brought up the banish moron comment, gl says not a good enough response, so i respond with well then tell the little sack of crap that he should keep his mouth shut and not make snarky comments if he's gonna be a baby about the responses`
`07:17.09`	`Pyrrhus`	`hey syeren`
`07:17.10`	`art3mis`	`and gquit`
`07:17.12`	`Pyrrhus`	`still there`
`07:17.13`	`boobies4u`	`how kind of you Pyrrhus, you might get the noble peace price in OSLO next year`
`07:17.15`	`syeren`	`Hmm?`
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`07:17.29`	`art3mis`	`so yeah im guildless again ;P`
`07:17.33`	`Pyrrhus`	`uploading a rar file of one of our attempts on gruul earlier`
`07:17.42`	`Pyrrhus`	`be done in 30 mins or so :)`
`07:17.47`	`syeren`	`As long as it isn't on some shit server.`
`07:17.48`	`syeren`	`I don't care.`
`07:17.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea I was potted out like a mofo`
`07:17.56`	`syeren`	`You can upload it on mine if it makes it quicker.`
`07:18.00`	`Pyrrhus`	`its on my site`
`07:18.03`	`boobies4u`	`the "hardcore" wow raiders tend to make the game sound like you need to be a blody rocket scientist to play`
`07:18.05`	`syeren`	`Good.`
`07:18.07`	`boobies4u`	`its like, ez mode`
`07:18.12`	`Pyrrhus`	`its like 159 meg download`
`07:18.28`	`Pyrrhus`	`well boob heres the thing`
`07:18.37`	`syeren`	`The thing is Pyrrhus, PVE takes no skill.`
`07:18.38`	`Pyrrhus`	`the "hardcore" people only play wow period..`
`07:18.41`	`Pyrrhus`	`nothing else`
`07:18.45`	`syeren`	`So I am sooo fucking confused at why people can be bad at it.`
`07:18.45`	`Pyrrhus`	`syeren: agree`
`07:18.49`	`syeren`	`You do something, and repeat it.`
`07:18.52`	`syeren`	`What is hard about that?`
`07:18.58`	`syeren`	`But yet people FUCK IT UP.`
`07:19.03`	`Pyrrhus`	`well I can honestly say that gruul is fucked`
`07:19.07`	`boobies4u`	`pve can be done by a 9 year old.`
`07:19.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`syeren: that confuses me daily`
`07:19.15`	`boobies4u`	`its just a matter how much time you got on your hands`
`07:19.15`	`Pyrrhus`	`there is nothing about rinse repeat on that fight lol`
`07:19.20`	`syeren`	`Let me rephrase that, PVE Takes no skill on an individual basis.`
`07:19.26`	`Pyrrhus`	`correct`
`07:19.35`	`syeren`	`It takes skill as a raid leader to get the fucking retards to listen.`
`07:19.38`	`Pyrrhus`	`brb 1 sec got a net crashing :)`
`07:19.38`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`07:19.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`That's not entirely true, there are some skill based things in PvE. its just that the skill level is relatively low`
`07:19.57`	`Pyrrhus`	`power outages across the country ftw`
`07:20.05`	`ckknight`	`art3mis: why're you guildless?`
`07:20.20`	`boobies4u`	`yes there is skill, a guy might push a button 2 sec faster then the other`
`07:21.07`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`depends on the class. I dont see rogues or mages having much dependancy on skill`
`07:21.30`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`but MT and healing do require a certain level of skill.`
`07:21.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Yeah, with some classes there's more than others`
`07:21.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`And depending on situation and role there's sometimes more than other times`
`07:21.53`	`syeren`	`After playing DPS in raids, I could never do that shit again.`
`07:21.57`	`syeren`	`Most fucking boring shit ever.`
`07:21.59`	`boobies4u`	`spamming threat building abilitys and taunt it back when aggro lost is damn hard`
`07:22.04`	`boobies4u`	`it requires atleast 10 years at harvard`
`07:22.10`	`syeren`	`Give me a healer where I get to have some responsibility.`
`07:22.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`boobies4u: now I -know- you're just talking out your ass.`
`07:22.48`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`boobies4u: more like having to move and reposition, stance dancing, being able to juggle the GCD between shield block, bash interrupt and maintaining a high threat rotation`
`07:23.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`And many raid mobs cant be taunted to begin with`
`07:23.11`	`syeren`	`Whenever the fucking tank loses aggro while raiding, no one to blame other than your DPS.`
`07:23.16`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`also being able to make accurate judgement calls so you dont blow shield wall/last stand prematurely`
`07:23.18`	`boobies4u`	`ye its so hard Aens\|Superiority`
`07:23.53`	`boobies4u`	`positioning? you actualy have to move your character too?`
`07:23.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`boobies4u: you've clearly never tanked anything of even moderate difficulty if you say that.`
`07:23.58`	`boobies4u`	`wtf, what kinda guild you in`
`07:24.07`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`boobies4u: no, not the warrior, the mob being tanked`
`07:24.22`	`syeren`	`Like the fag boss in Naxx.`
`07:24.24`	`syeren`	`Anub.`
`07:24.25`	`syeren`	`;p`
`07:24.26`	`boobies4u`	`ok, so, you move him without moving your char?`
`07:24.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`boobies4u: shut up. :D`
`07:24.34`	`art3mis`	`a nub ;P`
`07:24.34`	`syeren`	`Still remember when we had a new tank tank him.`
`07:24.36`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`crap that constantly moves around or makes you move.`
`07:24.37`	`syeren`	`Most depressing shit ever.,`
`07:24.37`	`boobies4u`	`you /point in the direction?`
`07:24.48`	`syeren`	`"WHY THE FUCK CAN'T YOU JUST MOVE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOM WHEN WE SHOUT?"`
`07:24.51`	`syeren`	`"IT'S HARD."`
`07:24.58`	`syeren`	`-_-`
`07:25.11`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`nightbane for instance can be a little tricky with repositioning when feared or phase transitions`
`07:25.13`	`xlvii`	`does anyone know if the second and third keyfragments (for kaz attunement) is soloable?`
`07:25.16`	`art3mis`	`"back up" "what" "patrol.." *adds come and play`
`07:25.20`	`xlvii`	`for a rogue, obviously.`
`07:25.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`xlvii: nope`
`07:25.25`	`art3mis`	`no`
`07:25.34`	`xlvii`	`cry`
`07:25.34`	`art3mis`	`they changed all the keys to spawn mobs you need to kill`
`07:25.35`	`xlvii`	`damn it`
`07:25.36`	`syeren`	`Not unless your stacked in gear and have Adrenaline Rush.`
`07:25.49`	`syeren`	`But if you're not Kara attuned, and not in a top arena team, I'll just assume you're not :p`
`07:26.31`	`xlvii`	`i have 9k hp :D`
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`07:26.55`	`syeren`	`Have any of you guys seen Xahl's new video?`
`07:26.56`	`syeren`	`It owns.`
`07:26.58`	`syeren`	`Hahaa.`
`07:27.01`	`xlvii`	`class?`
`07:27.04`	`syeren`	`Hunter in it called JObby gets Skeeted on.`
`07:27.06`	`syeren`	`....`
`07:27.11`	`syeren`	`If you don't know who Xahl is ;p`
`07:27.16`	`syeren`	`Then yeah, you don't watch movies :P`
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`07:27.41`	`syeren`	`He's a Gnome Warrior in Eminence, one of the top arena teams in the world ;p`
`07:27.55`	`syeren`	`And it's an arena video, which makes it the first publically released 5v5 one :p`
`07:27.55`	`xlvii`	`my internet is capped :(`
`07:28.07`	`boobies4u`	`url syeren`
`07:28.17`	`boobies4u`	`i need to watch some killing`
`07:28.20`	`syeren`	`http://warcraftmovies.com`
`07:28.49`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`arena is fun, but its hard to juggle pve and pvp. Too many gear sets and too much time commitment. Just short of top 10 on our battlegroup but that wont get the drake :/`
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`07:29.06`	`syeren`	`Arena is the best thing in WoW.`
`07:29.12`	`syeren`	`Soo amazing.`
`07:29.16`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`wow pvp is fundamentally flawed`
`07:29.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`not if you dont like pvp :P`
`07:29.22`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`so its not really saying much`
`07:29.42`	`Pyrrhus`	`I hate pvp soo boring lol`
`07:29.44`	`syeren`	`It's Flawed, yet all the teams that everyone predicted would do well, are doing well ;p`
`07:29.55`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`wow pve is really really good from a design perspective. The PvP is too dependant on hard counters.`
`07:29.55`	`syeren`	`And PVP isn't boring in comparison to PVE.`
`07:30.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`That's a matter of opinion`
`07:30.15`	`syeren`	`Or people are just daunted by fighting people who actually fight back, instead of standing there killing something with no AI :/`
`07:30.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Personally, I enjoy pve`
`07:30.23`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`nothing about fighting back`
`07:30.24`	`art3mis`	`if the classes were balanced it would be a lot more fun`
`07:30.34`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`i have a problem of getting wrecked because of a hard counter.`
`07:30.34`	`Pyrrhus`	`well if I wanna pvp...`
`07:30.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`art3mis: yeah, that's definitely true`
`07:30.41`	`Pyrrhus`	`I'll play Battlefield 2`
`07:30.45`	`Pyrrhus`	`thats pvp`
`07:30.51`	`art3mis`	`even if they just scaled damage to be ALOT less than against mobs`
`07:30.53`	`Pyrrhus`	`wow pvp is boring as hell lol`
`07:31.00`	`syeren`	`Counter as in Class composistion Aens\|Superiority?`
`07:31.01`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`crap like cloak of shadows vs a caster, or death coil/fear/dot`
`07:31.07`	`syeren`	`Ah, abilities.`
`07:31.16`	`syeren`	`Well technically, a mage skeets all over a warrior.`
`07:31.18`	`boobies4u`	`ok`
`07:31.20`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`syeren: hard counters are abilities that give you a dominating advantage over a specific class`
`07:31.21`	`boobies4u`	`gnomes are hot`
`07:31.21`	`art3mis`	`a 6k crit might be wicked against and needed against a mob with 150k hps but against a 15jk warr it's sort of over powered`
`07:31.26`	`syeren`	`Yet it's the team work that destroys it.`
`07:31.31`	`Pyrrhus`	`no pvp is simple... every class has a class that can beat it..`
`07:31.37`	`syeren`	`But it's 5v5.`
`07:31.39`	`syeren`	`So it isn't 1v1.`
`07:31.39`	`Pyrrhus`	`like equally geared warlock vs mage..`
`07:31.46`	`Pyrrhus`	`warlock wins`
`07:31.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`hands dowb`
`07:31.51`	`Pyrrhus`	`down`
`07:31.55`	`Pyrrhus`	`mage vs rogue..`
`07:31.56`	`Pyrrhus`	`mage wins`
`07:32.04`	`Pyrrhus`	`its to predictible`
`07:32.04`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`uhm... depends.`
`07:32.06`	`syeren`	`1v1 isn't balanced, and by Blizzard's own recognition, "It' isn't PVP."`
`07:32.08`	`Pyrrhus`	`nope`
`07:32.13`	`Pyrrhus`	`equally gear and sklled players`
`07:32.15`	`Pyrrhus`	`in mind`
`07:32.19`	`syeren`	`1v1 isn't balanced, and by Blizzard's own recognition, "It' isn't PVP."`
`07:32.25`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`if the rogue gets the jump, he stands a good chance.`
`07:32.30`	`Pyrrhus`	`against a mage?`
`07:32.32`	`Pyrrhus`	`pfft`
`07:32.35`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`sure.`
`07:32.35`	`Pyrrhus`	`not a good mage lol`
`07:32.47`	`Pyrrhus`	`I have NEVER consistantly lost to a rogue`
`07:32.48`	`Thrae`	`1v1 is balanced for 1v1, group vs group is balanced for group vs group`
`07:32.55`	`art3mis`	`ice block frost nova frostbolt over ;P`
`07:33.03`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol\`
`07:33.06`	`Pyrrhus`	`im 48 fire`
`07:33.10`	`Thrae`	`Not all classes are suppose to have equal chances against each other`
`07:33.12`	`Pyrrhus`	`and I absolutally own rogues`
`07:33.26`	`Pyrrhus`	`dragons breath/blastwave ftw`
`07:33.32`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`07:33.47`	`Dynom`	`gm`
`07:33.51`	`Pyrrhus`	`I mean hell if I pop trinkets I hit fireblasts for 2.5k crits :)`
`07:33.54`	`syeren`	`Fire Mages.`
`07:33.55`	`syeren`	`"lol."`
`07:33.56`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`Thrae: i agree for the most part, but blizzard has kept that balance going by introducing new abilities that crush specific classes`
`07:34.05`	`syeren`	`A fire mage steps in the arena and gets destroyed ;)`
`07:34.05`	`Pyrrhus`	`syeren: whats wrong with fire mages?`
`07:34.11`	`Pyrrhus`	`I agree syeren`
`07:34.16`	`Pyrrhus`	`thats why I dont pvp`
`07:34.17`	`art3mis`	`scale would solve all problems ;P`
`07:34.19`	`syeren`	`Put a fire mage in 5v5 and see how long they're standing.`
`07:34.21`	`syeren`	`About 1-2 seconds.`
`07:34.29`	`Dynom`	`fire mage is dot and fearkite and /dance`
`07:34.29`	`Pyrrhus`	`nah invis ftw lol`
`07:34.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Thrae: how is "not all classes are supposed to have equal chances against each other" even remotely "balanced for 1v1"`
`07:34.34`	`syeren`	`Both my mages re-spec for Arena Pyrrhus :)`
`07:34.34`	`Pyrrhus`	`20 seconds hehe`
`07:34.37`	`syeren`	`As do most Arena mages :p`
`07:34.46`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea I would do a pom build`
`07:34.57`	`Pyrrhus`	`prob 31/0/whatevers left`
`07:35.04`	`Pyrrhus`	`or a pom pyro build`
`07:35.05`	`syeren`	`As long as you have Ice Block and cold snap.`
`07:35.07`	`syeren`	`It doesn't matter.`
`07:35.12`	`Thrae`	`NightHawkTheSane: "Balanced" is defined by Blizzard, not by us. If Blizzard likes it, then it's balanced to them.`
`07:35.12`	`Dynom`	`NightHawkTheSane: tbh, no mmorpg should be 1:1 balanced, as it removes the teamplay`
`07:35.16`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea I used to be elemental`
`07:35.18`	`syeren`	`Elemental burns out their mana too quick :/`
`07:35.20`	`Pyrrhus`	`0/40/21`
`07:35.22`	`syeren`	`In the arena.`
`07:35.30`	`Pyrrhus`	`but recently respeced to 10/48/3`
`07:35.31`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`NightHawkTheSane: he means, that one class isn't meant to beat every other class. There's no one class that wins all.. theoretically.`
`07:35.42`	`Pyrrhus`	`there isnt..`
`07:35.52`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`1v1 warlocks stand a good chance`
`07:35.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that doesnt mean balanced, though`
`07:35.54`	`Pyrrhus`	`but every class has a class that destroys it`
`07:36.07`	`Pyrrhus`	`like mage vs warrior..`
`07:36.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`balanced would mean that in a 1v1, ANY 1v1, no class has an advantage over any other class`
`07:36.12`	`Pyrrhus`	`equal gear/skill`
`07:36.14`	`Pyrrhus`	`mage wins`
`07:36.52`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`NightHawkTheSane: different genre of gaming for balance. imo, mmorpg 'balance' means those that beat it equal those that it beats.`
`07:37.08`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`where as say, fps balance means no advantage.`
`07:37.12`	`Pyrrhus`	`meh again if I wanna pvp... ill play battlefield 2 lol`
`07:37.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Aens\|Superiority: I disagree, just because it's a mmog doesnt mean you cant have "no advantage" kind of balance`
`07:37.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Dynom: i'm not saying it "should" be balanced for 1v1, merely that it's a mistake to even try to claim it is.`
`07:37.59`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`then whats the point of classes?`
`07:39.11`	`Thrae`	`NightHawkTheSane: Like I said, it's up to Blizzard to define what is balanced. It's not just about how advantageous an encounter is -- there are also other factors involved. Like the random pairing of who you fight against. And the techniques you can use in World PvP. etc.`
`07:39.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I think my point is being missed. WoW is not balanced for 1v1. That's fine. But you shouldn't try to claim it is, under any rationalization`
`07:39.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Blizzard has, implicitly if not explicitly, said that they did not balance the game around 1v1 combat`
`07:40.45`	`Dynom`	`NightHawkTheSane: very much so`
`07:40.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`which, for the record, I have no problems with`
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`07:41.21`	`Thrae`	`Well I don't think Arena 1v1 is unfair, nor any PvP fight`
`07:41.23`	`Dynom`	`maybe by balanced they mean the game itself is balanced when it comes to classes vs classes`
`07:41.44`	`Dynom`	`but tbh, I've never won a 10:10 wsg against 10 priests`
`07:41.49`	`Dynom`	`thats horrible -_-`
`07:41.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Dynom: blizzard is walking a real fine line with balance, honestly. They need to keep relative pve power in check, as well as opposing pvp power.`
`07:42.04`	`Thrae`	`Any PvP fight you always have choices, and Arena 1v1 it's all random`
`07:42.13`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`hrm? 10priests vs a normal team wouldn't do particularly well...`
`07:43.15`	`Dynom`	`Aens\|Superiority: lal, you never fought against it then`
`07:43.30`	`Thrae`	`Aens\|Superiority: Shadow Priests eat lots of classes in WSG`
`07:43.38`	`boobies4u`	`Team Facemelt ftw`
`07:43.40`	`Dynom`	`even with a premade doing quite well, against a premade full with priests, is ubbeatable`
`07:43.43`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`thats if you are silly enough to fight them midfield`
`07:43.47`	`boobies4u`	`5 mindflays on you is teh sux`
`07:43.55`	`Dynom`	`you can't outdmg their heals and shadowpriest eat anything with that amount of shadowpoert`
`07:44.14`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`shadow priests also do exceptionally poorly at attacking and defending`
`07:44.16`	`Dynom`	`also 1 war with 2 pallies is a bitch to handle`
`07:44.25`	`Dynom`	`Aens\|Superiority: why, you have 10x instant fear`
`07:44.27`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`grats, they can dot people up in mid field, but thats not what wsg is about`
`07:44.48`	`Dynom`	`just stay in a group of 10 people and defend the flag carrier`
`07:44.59`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`fear is among the easiest cc types to break when it comes to wsg`
`07:45.04`	`Dynom`	`just let the target flag be picked up, and kill the opposing fc when you run back`
`07:45.11`	`Dynom`	`Aens\|Superiority: not when you have 10 of them`
`07:45.16`	`Dynom`	`you can break 2 maybe 3 times`
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`07:45.32`	`Dynom`	`and the shielding`
`07:46.03`	`Dynom`	`oh btw, for those who like comics: http://www.bonecomics.nl/`
`07:46.23`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`a druid could get in and out with the flag solo vs shadow priests no problem. Priests have very little they can do about a full blown flag turtle`
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`07:47.53`	`Dynom`	`Aens\|Superiority: vs 1 maybe, not vs a group`
`07:48.54`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`I've run the flag out of the room with 2 warlocks and a shadow priest defending by myself. The rest is all midfield vs a team with no share or on demand stun.`
`07:58.57`	`Dynom`	`I've soloed a drood many times also`
`07:59.06`	`Dynom`	`so that kinda doesn't say a thing`
`07:59.11`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`if they stuck around to fight, sure`
`07:59.20`	`Dynom`	`just make 'm stay`
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`07:59.37`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`and how would you do that in a wsg setting?`
`07:59.52`	`Dynom`	`I'm an affliction lock, lots of ways`
`07:59.59`	`Fisker-`	`You can be main healer`
`08:00.02`	`Fisker-`	`and i'm like huh`
`08:00.10`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`you have deathcoil and only death coil. The fear will get trinketed out of.`
`08:00.19`	`Cryect`	`You can trinket out of multiple fears?`
`08:00.25`	`Fisker-`	`they got 3 trinkets?`
`08:00.26`	`Fisker-`	`:O`
`08:00.26`	`Dynom`	`Cryect: he can appearantly`
`08:00.29`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`only need to trinket out of 1 fear`
`08:00.46`	`Fisker-`	`Yeah if you're not putting it up more than once you are right`
`08:00.48`	`Dynom`	`Aens\|Superiority: trust me, there are ways to do it ;)`
`08:00.48`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`cause if the druid is worth a damn, you'd take advantage of the los of the flag room`
`08:00.56`	`Dynom`	`Does anyone know a good webirc`
`08:01.28`	`Pyrrhus`	`whew ok im back :)`
`08:01.29`	`Dynom`	`no cgi ones`
`08:01.57`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`grab flag, feral charge to one of the exits, wait for the death coil, at which point your choice of exit may have changed. run for it, get feared, trinket the fear when you are at the exit of choice, sprint.`
`08:03.10`	`Pyrrhus`	`syeren: still there? :)`
`08:03.28`	`Dynom`	`Aens\|Superiority: affliction locks have an instant fear as well as a regular one, you know that right ?`
`08:03.37`	`Dynom`	`Aens\|Superiority: also CoExhaustion and a spellock`
`08:03.39`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`howl of terror, that involves me being near you`
`08:03.45`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`coe is gotten rid of by shifting once`
`08:03.54`	`Dynom`	`it's an instant cast`
`08:04.01`	`Dynom`	`both hot and coex`
`08:04.03`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`so what? shifting is instant cast`
`08:04.07`	`syeren`	`Yes.`
`08:04.10`	`syeren`	`Just talking to Vhell ;p`
`08:04.15`	`syeren`	`And AFK in AV :p`
`08:04.15`	`Dynom`	`I don't see you sprinting while shifting Aens`
`08:04.29`	`Pyrrhus`	`ok www.levelsixtynine.com/movies/gruul3.rar`
`08:04.37`	`Pyrrhus`	`addy should work..`
`08:04.40`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`you dont sprint till you are sure you have the distance to make use of it.`
`08:04.46`	`syeren`	`Downloading :p`
`08:04.48`	`Pyrrhus`	`btw first time trying to make a movie so lemme know..`
`08:04.56`	`Pyrrhus`	`compressesed via remote desktop from work lol`
`08:05.04`	`Pyrrhus`	`and merged the files and such.. :)`
`08:05.27`	`Aens\|Superiority`	`Dynom: and also you dont sprint till you are sure you have 3-4 seconds out of los.`
`08:05.28`	`Dynom`	`Aens\|Superiority: well ok, I can't do this tactic on you I see. Well thats one on a lot, I think I'll live`
`08:05.56`	`Dynom`	`no webIRC anyone? java/flash all good, just on CGI ones`
`08:06.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`google?`
`08:07.03`	`Fisker-`	`There's CGI:IRC but that's actually using the webservers host`
`08:07.08`	`Dynom`	`I know how to find them, I'm looking for one with good reference`
`08:07.14`	`Fisker-`	`so they're usually banned and/or locked to specific networks/channels`
`08:07.26`	`Dynom`	`well you can get I lines with quakenet`
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`08:14.21`	`vhaarr`	`Dynom: wtf, that comic isn't funny at all.`
`08:15.10`	`Fisker-`	`you can be main healer vhaarr`
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`08:19.32`	`Dynom`	`vhaarr: Hmm, it's well made imo. But I guess it's more fun when you know the people in it`
`08:20.31`	`echos`	`so yeah what is cart_makefilelist_wau.bat suppost to be used for?`
`08:21.37`	`sylvanaar`	`You know i think that my aceoptions tables need to call InjectAceOptionsTable, but i really am not sure how to use this properly`
`08:22.03`	`boobies4u`	`read the manual`
`08:23.07`	`sylvanaar`	`<-- ?`
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`08:24.38`	`sylvanaar`	`write one`
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`08:33.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`is anyone else download the gruul3.avi?`
`08:34.16`	`Fisker-`	`sec`
`08:34.19`	`Pyrrhus`	`because im getting extremely slow d/l speeds from my own server lol`
`08:34.52`	`Fisker-`	`Yeah i can get it`
`08:34.58`	`Fisker-`	`and it's somewhat slow yeah`
`08:35.07`	`Fisker-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:35.08`	`Pyrrhus`	`just wondering how many people are getting it lol`
`08:35.18`	`Pyrrhus`	`offt im only at 8.8k`
`08:35.37`	`Pyrrhus`	`wondering if its my office speed here at work`
`08:35.56`	`Pyrrhus`	`155meg d/l right?`
`08:36.03`	`Fisker-`	`yes`
`08:36.06`	`Pyrrhus`	`~seen syeren`
`08:36.46`	`purl`	`syeren is currently on #wowace (1d 4h 13m 14s). Has said a total of 124 messages. Is idling for 32m 1s, last said: 'Downloading :p'.`
`08:36.47`	`Pyrrhus`	`k`
`08:36.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`lemme knowe how it came out`
`08:37.18`	`Pyrrhus`	`first movie for me ;) compressed and merged via remote desktop from work so... lol`
`08:37.31`	`Fisker-`	`only tested your speed :P`
`08:37.46`	`Fisker-`	`can't watch movies in console`
`08:38.07`	`CIA-11`	`03sylvanaar * r30583 10Prat/extras/PratFu.lua: Prat: Remove a kludge that was left in`
`08:38.34`	`Fisker-`	`so i heard you like mudkips sylvanaar`
`08:39.01`	`sylvanaar`	`what`
`08:39.16`	`Fisker-`	`you don't? :(`
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`08:39.56`	`syeren`	`Your server has a shit download speed to me Pyrrhus :p`
`08:40.04`	`syeren`	`54 KB.`
`08:41.45`	`nee\|work`	`There. Ordered a duo-core, new mobo, new ram, new gfx-card.. Just to properly run things with Vista.. Well, and to play Warhammer: Mark of Chaos properly ;)`
`08:42.33`	`sylvanaar`	`what are mudkips`
`08:42.39`	`sylvanaar`	`~mudkips`
`08:42.43`	`syeren`	`Pokemon.`
`08:42.47`	`mitch0`	`nee\|work: why did you "upgrade" to vista in the first place? :)`
`08:42.56`	`sylvanaar`	`masochism?`
`08:43.00`	`Fisker-`	`VI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`08:43.01`	`Fisker-`	`YOU SUCK`
`08:43.15`	`mitch0`	`Fisker-: ?`
`08:43.26`	`Fisker-`	`it lags :(`
`08:43.39`	`mitch0`	`don't edit 30meg files with it :)`
`08:43.48`	`Fisker-`	`it's not 30meg`
`08:43.50`	`mitch0`	`use joe for that kind of stuff. joe handles big files a lot nicer`
`08:43.53`	`Fisker-`	`IT'S 300MEG`
`08:44.08`	`Fisker-`	`laugh or cry?`
`08:44.09`	`nee\|work`	`Because I wanted something new. I was a gentoo user once, where I used ~x86, but I ended up with debian unstable, but still.. I like to use new operating systems, even if I agree it does feel more like coping than just using sometimes.`
`08:44.35`	`mitch0`	`nee\|work: try freebsd, it's at least nice`
`08:44.41`	`mitch0`	`too bad it doesn't run wow`
`08:45.00`	`nee\|work`	`mitch0: Nah, I think that if I went back to some form of *nix, I'd go back to debian as I still know it.`
`08:45.02`	`mitch0`	`and doesn't have decent video drivers (at least not ati)`
`08:45.48`	`Fisker-`	`You can use regular expression to change out words in vi right?`
`08:45.48`	`mitch0`	`there ain't so much difference between unix and unix`
`08:45.48`	`nee\|work`	`But never mind, to each their own :)`
`08:45.48`	`mitch0`	`Fisker-: sure`
`08:45.48`	`mitch0`	`but use sed for such a big file`
`08:45.52`	`Fisker-`	`FUCK`
`08:45.53`	`mitch0`	`you'll be a lot happier panda`
`08:45.55`	`Fisker-`	`i'm a retard`
`08:46.14`	`nee\|work`	`mitch0: I know, it all comes down to what the user does with it. The basic building blocks are very similar, if not the same across bsd/linux distributions.`
`08:46.15`	`mitch0`	`cough :)`
`08:46.21`	`Fisker-`	`Forgot to backup the sql file first :(`
`08:46.25`	`Pyrrhus`	`syeren: think theres a few people hitting it lol`
`08:46.31`	`Pyrrhus`	`its on a dedicated T1 so... :)`
`08:46.49`	`mitch0`	`Fisker-: don't you have autobackup? (filname~) ?`
`08:46.53`	`Fisker-`	`T1 = 1,5Mbit`
`08:46.58`	`Fisker-`	`nope :P`
`08:47.06`	`mitch0`	`bummer`
`08:47.09`	`Pyrrhus`	`only other thing I have running on it right now is a text based MUD thats not active this time of the morning`
`08:47.15`	`syeren`	`Oki.`
`08:47.22`	`syeren`	`I'm watching this Leothras the Blind video.`
`08:47.23`	`Fisker-`	`It's more that i have to download that 300MB file again`
`08:47.29`	`syeren`	`So basically, he whirlwinds.`
`08:47.33`	`Pyrrhus`	`so few people must be hitting it.. im only catching 8k/sec from work.. usually get around 150 or so`
`08:47.36`	`Fisker-`	`so autobackup is some kind of program then?`
`08:47.36`	`syeren`	`Goes into a demon where melee DPS can't do shit.`
`08:47.41`	`syeren`	`And people have kill demons.`
`08:47.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`bring lots fo mages/warlock/spriests lol`
`08:48.01`	`Pyrrhus`	`of`
`08:48.03`	`mitch0`	`Fisker-: no, vim's default backup file creation`
`08:48.20`	`mitch0`	`could be turned off of course. and could be you're using some retard old vi, not vim`
`08:48.22`	`Fisker-`	`I said vi not vim :P`
`08:48.35`	`Fisker-`	`I figured it was the same`
`08:48.40`	`mitch0`	`well, you dug the hole for yourself then :)`
`08:48.53`	`Fisker-`	`We have lots of backups though`
`08:48.58`	`Fisker-`	`but 300MB on a 256k upload`
`08:48.59`	`Fisker-`	`QQ`
`08:49.06`	`mitch0`	`but in any case, vi(m) is not very vell suited for 300MB files`
`08:49.06`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`08:49.18`	`Pyrrhus`	`oh hell no its not.. lol`
`08:49.40`	`chuckg`	`This is neat: http://chuckg.org/dump/2007/arena_incentive.jpg`
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`08:50.33`	`Pyrrhus`	`whats so neat about it?`
`08:50.41`	`Pyrrhus`	`1 team got their ass kicked..`
`08:50.44`	`Pyrrhus`	`other team won`
`08:50.46`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`08:50.46`	`evl`	`Any new patchnotes?`
`08:50.55`	`Pyrrhus`	`not that I know of evl`
`08:51.20`	`mitch0`	`btw, is there an ETA on 2.1.x (lua-wise)`
`08:51.40`	`syeren`	`http://chuckg.org/dump/2007/arena_incentive.jpg`
`08:51.46`	`syeren`	`What's cool about that screenshot?`
`08:51.56`	`chuckg`	`Uhh.`
`08:51.59`	`chuckg`	`Look at the rating change.`
`08:51.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`thats what I said syeren`
`08:52.03`	`syeren`	`And?`
`08:52.08`	`chuckg`	`0 rating change, in a rated game.`
`08:52.10`	`syeren`	`It's been like that for ever.`
`08:52.11`	`syeren`	`And?`
`08:52.12`	`chuckg`	`Why is it making matches like that?`
`08:52.17`	`chuckg`	`What if we'd lost?`
`08:52.20`	`chuckg`	`Or had someone d/c?`
`08:52.21`	`mitch0`	`syeren: I like the gradients`
`08:52.26`	`syeren`	`Power Trip don't get any rating off any team below 2nd.`
`08:52.27`	`mitch0`	`:)`
`08:52.41`	`Fisker-`	`are you hacking chuckg?`
`08:52.55`	`syeren`	`What gradiants mitch0 :P?`
`08:52.56`	`chuckg`	`Huh...`
`08:52.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`lmao`
`08:53.00`	`chuckg`	`Why would I be hacking?`
`08:53.15`	`mitch0`	`syeren: on the screenshot`
`08:53.30`	`mitch0`	`nevermind. I haven't slept much...`
`08:53.35`	`Pyrrhus`	`lmfao`
`08:53.44`	`mitch0`	`been killing ogres for a frigging enchanting recipe all night`
`08:53.54`	`mitch0`	`no luck though of course`
`08:54.01`	`Pyrrhus`	`go kill them in gruuls lair all night... than come talk lol`
`08:54.07`	`Pyrrhus`	`;)`
`08:54.20`	`Pyrrhus`	`they dont drop crap btw lol`
`08:54.33`	`Pyrrhus`	`killed ohh 500 of them... not a single blue drop lmao`
`08:54.41`	`Pyrrhus`	`few greens though heh`
`08:54.52`	`Pyrrhus`	`j/k btw ........`
`08:54.56`	`mitch0`	`they don't drop the recipe`
`08:54.59`	`mitch0`	`:)`
`08:55.01`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`08:55.08`	`Pyrrhus`	`which recipe you trying for?`
`08:55.13`	`mitch0`	`not that these dropped it, though...`
`08:55.39`	`mitch0`	`and you have to kill something like 10 "bad" mob for 1 "good" mob :(`
`08:56.06`	`mitch0`	`then of course this druid drops from the sky and tags the "good" one when it spawns at last...`
`08:56.45`	`mitch0`	`I had to resort to ice-lance tagging while killing off the prev pull`
`08:56.50`	`syeren`	`Game sounds Pyrrhus :/`
`08:57.13`	`syeren`	`I would have to put up with my character's fucking bad American Scottish wannabe accent :/`
`08:58.16`	`Fisker-`	`mitch0 you know mysql?`
`08:58.16`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
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`08:58.27`	`Fisker-`	`Need to figure out to view all tables in a database`
`08:58.37`	`Fisker-`	`and i don't want to install all that webadmin crap right now`
`08:59.26`	`mitch0`	`select * from user_tables; :)`
`08:59.36`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm curious which recipe as well . . . I don't recall any recipe dropping specifically from ogres.`
`08:59.44`	`Pyrrhus`	`syeren: dont like the sounds?`
`08:59.48`	`mitch0`	`(that's oracle, but I bet there is something like that for mysql as well)`
`09:00.02`	`mitch0`	`it's the +dmg enchant on gloves`
`09:00.11`	`mitch0`	`dropping from Bloodmaul Geomancers`
`09:00.13`	`Pyrrhus`	`I think next time I record ill have fraps not record sound`
`09:00.16`	`mitch0`	`(supposedly)`
`09:00.27`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`There's 4 I'm going to go have to camp for to get . . . and a bunch of random world drop ones that I'll have to get phenomenal luck on.`
`09:00.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and then several instance drops. :(`
`09:00.46`	`CIA-11`	`03toadkiller * r30584 10AutoBarConfig/ (3 files): (log message trimmed)`
`09:00.46`	`CIA-11`	`AutoBarConfig:`
`09:00.47`	`CIA-11`	`-- New bag scan code, integrated, likely some issues left`
`09:00.47`	`CIA-11`	`-- 30360 Murky pet`
`09:00.47`	`CIA-11`	`-- 28102:60 Onslaught Elixer`
`09:00.47`	`CIA-11`	`-- 22927:2500 Ironshield Potion`
`09:00.49`	`CIA-11`	`-- 28103 Adept's Elixir`
`09:00.52`	`syeren`	`I can't stand game sounds whatsoever.`
`09:01.02`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`09:01.05`	`syeren`	`And it doesn't help the fact that I have some shitty poorly done accent on my character.`
`09:01.09`	`Pyrrhus`	`I usually have the relatively low....`
`09:01.18`	`Pyrrhus`	`but turn them up for boss fights.. for warnings and such`
`09:01.35`	`Pyrrhus`	`how did the vid come out?`
`09:01.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`I dont even remember how far we got him on that attempt lol`
`09:02.15`	`CIA-11`	`03toadkiller * r30585 10AutoBar/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)`
`09:02.15`	`CIA-11`	`AutoBar:`
`09:02.15`	`CIA-11`	`-- New bag scan code, integrated, likely some issues left`
`09:02.15`	`CIA-11`	`-- 30360 Murky pet`
`09:02.15`	`CIA-11`	`-- 28102:60 Onslaught Elixer`
`09:02.16`	`CIA-11`	`-- 22927:2500 Ironshield Potion`
`09:02.18`	`CIA-11`	`-- 28103 Adept's Elixir`
`09:02.44`	`Pyrrhus`	`ahh sweet.. :) can have adept on my autobar now heh`
`09:03.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and onslaught. woo :)`
`09:03.56`	`Fisker-`	`That was a lot better mitch0 :O`
`09:04.18`	`CIA-11`	`03fenlis * r30586 10Prat/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Prat: Updated localization koKR`
`09:04.35`	`Fisker-`	`Why did he commit twice? :O`
`09:05.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`note the path he committed to`
`09:05.20`	`Silviu-`	`Fisker- he did AutoBarConfig and AutoBar`
`09:05.21`	`Silviu-`	`;p`
`09:05.25`	`Fisker-`	`oh`
`09:05.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Also: God I swear all the mail quest rewards in the game freaking suck.`
`09:06.05`	`nee\|work`	`I liked the Winter Veil Snowman Kit mail reward :)`
`09:06.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`How is it that ilvl 94 bracers manage to be better than ANY of the 4 ilvl 115 bracers from this quest?`
`09:07.20`	`syeren`	`Vid was an amazing encorde / compression though Pyrrhus :p`
`09:07.45`	`Pyrrhus`	`really? :)`
`09:07.46`	`Pyrrhus`	`sweet`
`09:08.04`	`Pyrrhus`	`how was the quality relative to the size?`
`09:08.36`	`Pyrrhus`	`I mean was the quality worth the size of the download... for future refrence lol`
`09:09.21`	`[Ammo]`	`morning`
`09:09.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`[Ammo]: Sup :)`
`09:10.04`	`syeren`	`No idea what the size is :p`
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`09:10.20`	`syeren`	`Ammo sucks, he makes the best SpellAlert addon out but won't add a minor feature :(`
`09:10.33`	`[Ammo]`	`screw your minor features :p`
`09:10.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`what feature des he want.... auto couteract the spell?? lol`
`09:11.05`	`Pyrrhus`	`or... auto play the game for me...`
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`09:11.24`	`[Ammo]`	`you know syeren`
`09:11.26`	`[Ammo]`	`it's already in`
`09:11.28`	`Pyrrhus`	`I mean thats what everyone wants right.. addons that play the game for you?? lol`
`09:11.34`	`[Ammo]`	`unless msbt changed his things`
`09:11.36`	`nee\|work`	`Or some feature which does somethign which has nothing to do with alerting the user about spells`
`09:11.38`	`[Ammo]`	`the msbtArea selection`
`09:11.42`	`syeren`	`No Pyrrhus, I'm trying to make WitchHunter appear in a custom frame in MSBT.`
`09:11.43`	`nee\|work`	`*something`
`09:11.45`	`syeren`	`And I can't do it :(`
`09:11.48`	`[Ammo]`	`syeren: you can`
`09:11.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`msbt?`
`09:11.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you can`
`09:11.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I did it today`
`09:11.57`	`[Ammo]`	`type: /wh msbtarea <my area of pwn>`
`09:11.57`	`Pyrrhus`	`msbt????`
`09:11.57`	`syeren`	`MSBT the new SCT :p`
`09:11.59`	`Dynom`	`the more you love CSS and DOM, the more you hate IE #@$#%$, Time for MORE coffeee, MORE MORE MORE`
`09:12.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you might have to relog/reload after you create the custom area, though.`
`09:12.12`	`Pyrrhus`	`Ok question for you ammo`
`09:12.22`	`Pyrrhus`	`I grabbed the mazzleui and it has wh in it.....`
`09:12.25`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`09:12.32`	`Pyrrhus`	`is that the text that appears in diffrent colors top of my screen/`
`09:12.35`	`[Ammo]`	`yup`
`09:12.37`	`Pyrrhus`	`kind of big text.?`
`09:12.39`	`Pyrrhus`	`ok`
`09:12.40`	`[Ammo]`	`you can change it`
`09:12.42`	`[Ammo]`	`type: /wh`
`09:12.46`	`[Ammo]`	`and fiddle withthe options`
`09:12.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea I was wondering WTF it was`
`09:12.53`	`Pyrrhus`	`was getting annoying lol`
`09:12.56`	`[Ammo]`	`it's witchhunt :)`
`09:13.06`	`Pyrrhus`	`like the mazzle setup I just stared useing last week`
`09:13.12`	`Pyrrhus`	`so ... it was really big and shit`
`09:13.18`	`Pyrrhus`	`kk`
`09:13.28`	`Pyrrhus`	`no..`
`09:13.29`	`Pyrrhus`	`now`
`09:13.35`	`Pyrrhus`	`is there anyways to make it like a cast bar?`
`09:13.42`	`Pyrrhus`	`cause I dont like eenemycast`
`09:14.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, its not a cast bar addon :P`
`09:14.07`	`Pyrrhus`	`becasue right now my UI does not have an enemy cast bar ... ufortunatly`
`09:14.18`	`nee\|work`	`Get Antagonist or such.`
`09:14.20`	`Pyrrhus`	`any other enemy cast bar mods?`
`09:14.28`	`Pyrrhus`	`think I have that as well lol`
`09:14.31`	`Pyrrhus`	`gonna have to look`
`09:14.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I like eCastingBar myself`
`09:14.42`	`mitch0`	`I use blizzard's default :)`
`09:14.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`though that's a full on self/mirror/target/focus cast bar`
`09:14.44`	`syeren`	`NightHawk, I think you're right.`
`09:14.46`	`Pyrrhus`	`that mazzleui has alot of mods that I dont know what they are`
`09:14.48`	`nee\|work`	`And I think there's a default BlizzardUI Enemy Casting bar`
`09:14.51`	`syeren`	`It's got my incoming heals box as an option.`
`09:14.55`	`syeren`	`So I'll try /rl.`
`09:15.22`	`Pyrrhus`	`nee\|work: the default ui cast bar doesnt work when you have custom unit frames lol`
`09:15.27`	`Pyrrhus`	`well take that back.. some do`
`09:15.31`	`Pyrrhus`	`like ag`
`09:15.33`	`[Ammo]`	`agUF has casting bar options`
`09:15.37`	`[Ammo]`	`works just fine`
`09:15.40`	`Pyrrhus`	`but discord doesnt seem to`
`09:15.43`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea seen it`
`09:15.45`	`[Ammo]`	`then don't use discord`
`09:15.48`	`[Ammo]`	`problem solved :)`
`09:15.54`	`Pyrrhus`	`but discord matches my UI lol`
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`09:15.58`	`syeren`	`Yup, you have to /rl for it to recognise the frame [Ammo] :p`
`09:16.01`	`Pyrrhus`	`1 sec ill get screenie`
`09:16.02`	`syeren`	`My bad for hassling you :p`
`09:16.19`	`[Ammo]`	`syeren: I think I can fix that`
`09:16.29`	`Pyrrhus`	`[Ammo]: http://www.levelsixtynine.com/modules/Forums/files/screen_824.jpg`
`09:16.44`	`Pyrrhus`	`theres really no place to put an enemy castbar lol`
`09:16.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`no place that would "flow" with the UI`
`09:17.35`	`nee\|work`	`There is`
`09:17.46`	`nee\|work`	`Just put it on top of those buffs you have, it's a mess in that corner anyway`
`09:18.02`	`Pyrrhus`	`how is that a mess? lol`
`09:18.54`	`Pyrrhus`	`chat window.. player frame and buff lol`
`09:18.54`	`nee\|work`	`It's crowded with all the colors and icons, a bar more or less won't hurt`
`09:18.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`lol`
`09:18.55`	Punkie`	`mazzleUI ftl :p`
`09:18.55`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`09:18.55`	`Pyrrhus`	`I love this UI`
`09:18.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I dont like precompiled uis`
`09:18.55`	`nee\|work`	`Hm.. You have some ugliness there, like the 'Looking at' beneath your target, the 'g' is cut off at the bottom`
`09:18.57`	`Pyrrhus`	`only people that hate it have a 256meg ram maching that cant run it lmao`
`09:19.18`	`nee\|work`	`And the chat-tabs are through/beneath the border texture`
`09:19.18`	`Pyrrhus`	`omg a CUT g lmao`
`09:19.28`	Punkie`	`i have 2gig ram and i hate it`
`09:19.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there's no place in that UI to put all the spells i'd use anyway. :P`
`09:19.45`	`Pyrrhus`	`the chat tabs dont normally show up unless you hover over them lol`
`09:20.04`	`Pyrrhus`	`most are on hidden context bars`
`09:20.05`	`Pyrrhus`	`:P`
`09:20.07`	`nee\|work`	`And the group names - Group 1, Group 2, etc - are difficult to read on top of the 'rock' texture`
`09:20.19`	`Pyrrhus`	`not supposed to read them`
`09:20.34`	`Pyrrhus`	`supposed I should turn off grp names anyways`
`09:20.47`	`nee\|work`	`Indeed. You should.`
`09:21.11`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Pyrrhus: I've got a beast of a machine with 2GB of ram, and I dislike the MazzleUI, and pretty much all pre-comps. I prefer to fashion things myself. I understand the appeal of "out of the box" solutions for people who just want something that works . . .`
`09:21.25`	`nee\|work`	`Well, I don't like cut off g's. It's as if the user is not paying attention to detail..`
`09:21.38`	`Pyrrhus`	`well Ive done the whole build my own.... I just never get anything good lol`
`09:21.38`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`but I want to know what every bit of anything I use does, and I won't use it if I don't really need it.`
`09:21.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`this is the first pre compiled ive used`
`09:22.04`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I look at some of the compilations and other folks screenshots for ideas for layouts . . .`
`09:22.17`	`Pyrrhus`	`Yea I grabbed mazzleUI.. and went through it.. removed about half of the addons that came with it`
`09:22.18`	`syeren`	`First pre-compiled I use was Photek, and within a few hours of me using it I thought it was fucking excessive, so looked into the addons individually.`
`09:22.20`	`Pyrrhus`	`like the HUD and shit`
`09:22.22`	`syeren`	`And well the rest is history!`
`09:22.28`	`nee\|work`	`Why does MazzleUI show its name in the UI? That's ugly too :\|`
`09:22.34`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`but I've really only had 2 primary looks for UIs in over 2 years.`
`09:22.48`	Punkie`	`a better question nee\|work: why does it use comicsans? :P`
`09:22.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I want Splut dammit so I can rid myself of some bars.`
`09:22.51`	`Pyrrhus`	`nee\|work: thats just a texture... ill eventually put my own textures in`
`09:23.01`	`Pyrrhus`	`I chose comic sans`
`09:23.06`	`Pyrrhus`	`I like comic sans..`
`09:23.07`	`nee\|work`	Punkie`: Indeed. That's an interesting choice as well
`09:23.34`	`nee\|work`	`Pyrrhus: Why is there a black rectangle interrupting the texture at the bottom of the minimap?`
`09:23.42`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`The overall layout of Mazzle isn't bad, but I think many of the textures are horrid.`
`09:23.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`that shows coords outside of instances`
`09:24.01`	`nee\|work`	`Ah`
`09:24.08`	`Pyrrhus`	`works great for questing ;)`
`09:24.48`	`nee\|work`	`I suppose, if you prefer to look up where to go instead of use the info in your quest-log.`
`09:24.48`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I am sorta curious, which 3d model mod is that? Model Citizen, or something else?`
`09:24.59`	`Pyrrhus`	`yea my first out of box working UI... and I actually like it for the most part`
`09:25.07`	`Pyrrhus`	`nope its umm`
`09:25.15`	`Pyrrhus`	`shit starts with an A`
`09:25.25`	`Pyrrhus`	`cant remember lemme look`
`09:26.43`	`Pyrrhus`	`damn not sure which lol`
`09:31.09`	Punkie`	`"`
`09:31.09`	Punkie`	`The art and the layout is hard coded into the mazzleui as well as the 3D toons. There is no way to run them individually. Sorry..."`
`09:32.53`	`mitch0`	`nee\|work: I usually work with the text in questlog and not thottbot and such, and quite regularly I mix up north and west and spend half an hour trying to find the quest spot :)`
`09:32.53`	`Pyrrhus`	`the art is not..`
`09:32.53`	`Pyrrhus`	`the art is Discord Art.. and you can use it seperatly :)`
`09:32.54`	`Pyrrhus`	`not sure bout the 3d shit though`
`09:33.12`	`ckknight`	`anyone know when Warhammer Online is coming out?`
`09:33.33`	Punkie`	`I looked the other day, all I read was 2007`
`09:33.33`	`Pyrrhus`	`not soon enough`
`09:33.39`	`Pyrrhus`	`waiting for Crysis`
`09:33.40`	`Pyrrhus`	`;P`
`09:33.54`	`Pyrrhus`	`you wont see me in wow anymore once crysis hits lol`
`09:34.05`	`ckknight`	`haven't heard of it`
`09:34.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hmm, reminds me. Ineed to e-mail my guy there and remind him about my beta account.`
`09:34.13`	`Cyrez`	`ckknight: Some say Q3 2007, some say Q4 2007.`
`09:34.22`	`Cyrez`	`Nothing exact so far.`
`09:34.49`	`Pyrrhus`	`google crysis its the new FPS thats supposed to bring the latest and greatest video cars to their knees :)`
`09:35.36`	`ckknight`	`ah`
`09:35.38`	`Elkano`	`and it comes from Germany :)`
`09:35.41`	`ckknight`	`I have a mac`
`09:35.48`	`Elkano`	`it's the successor of Far Cry`
`09:35.52`	`mitch0`	`fps...`
`09:37.20`	`nee\|work`	`mitch0: oki`
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`09:38.13`	`Fisker-`	`lol that's rich`
`09:38.19`	`mitch0`	`nee\|work: nevermind me actually, I'm half zombie`
`09:38.23`	`Fisker-`	`Our transmute masters asking us to use their transmutes`
`09:38.44`	`Pyrrhus`	`lmao`
`09:39.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`er. and?`
`09:39.26`	`Fisker-`	`They want to keep the excess transmutes`
`09:39.30`	`nee\|work`	`mitch0: :)`
`09:39.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Fisker-: ... and?`
`09:39.47`	`nee\|work`	`Pyrrhus: even a 64k demo can do that`
`09:39.50`	`Fisker-`	`Primal Might's are cheaper than the respective mats for it`
`09:39.54`	`Fisker-`	`atleast here`
`09:40.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Fisker-: well, thats an entirely separate issue, and yeah. It's because stupid people charge too little for them`
`09:40.41`	`Fisker-`	`supply and demand`
`09:40.54`	`Fisker-`	`Infact they're charging too much`
`09:41.03`	`nee\|work`	`People are undercutting eachother until they make no profit.`
`09:41.05`	`Fisker-`	`Unless it's not a 100% chance to gain more than 1`
`09:41.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`It's not.`
`09:41.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Ot`
`09:41.35`	`Fisker-`	`How much is the chance to get more than one aproximately?`
`09:41.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`No one really knows, but the best guesses I've seen say ~10-15% chance?`
`09:42.32`	`Fisker-`	`Then the market price is around correct`
`09:42.46`	`Fisker-`	`Given that they of course all the time only gain an additional primal might`
`09:43.00`	`Fisker-`	`So it should be lower than it is now given that at some point someone will get more than one`
`09:43.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Well, sometimes you can proc more than one extra, up to 5`
`09:43.07`	`Fisker-`	`^^`
`09:43.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`But.. its random. shrug`
`09:43.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`And frankly, if people were smart, they'd keep the price above the cost of mats.`
`09:43.41`	`Fisker-`	`Best-case scenario price should be around 75G, worse-case = 100g`
`09:43.47`	`Fisker-`	`105*`
`09:44.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`By undercutting that base case, primal mights are only profitable if you're an xmute master AND proc it.`
`09:44.19`	`Fisker-`	`of course`
`09:44.27`	`Fisker-`	`you have to look at the bigger picture`
`09:44.36`	`Fisker-`	`And when someone does that you others are screwed`
`09:44.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Well myself, I'm screwed normally. :) but shrug`
`09:46.09`	`Fisker-`	`But my point remains i'm not paying 20g to let some lucky transmuter gain up to 400g`
`09:47.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`No, you're paying 20g to turn your mats into 1 primal might. Services paid, services rendered. Anything above and beyond that is basically the property of the alchy`
`09:47.12`	`mitch0`	`Fisker-: eh...`
`09:47.27`	`Fisker-`	`I don't mean as in a fee`
`09:47.40`	`Fisker-`	`The mats themselves are more expensive than a primal might`
`09:47.52`	`Fisker-`	`I'm not paying extra in mats when i can just surf the AH for primal mights`
`09:48.00`	`mitch0`	`ah, I understand now`
`09:48.08`	Punkie`	`tbh, on my server transmute specced alchemists transmute for free :p`
`09:48.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Oh, well if you mean purchasing mats for your guildies to do xmutes, then yeah`
`09:48.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	Punkie`: those poor alchies.
`09:48.35`	`mitch0`	Punkie`: but the point is, it's still more xpensive then buying the finished product off the AH
`09:48.50`	Punkie`	`probably :)`
`09:48.59`	Punkie`	`i've only ever needed one, for my riding crop`
`09:49.11`	`mitch0`	`riding crop is nice. gotta get one`
`09:49.12`	Punkie`	`and i just used the mats that i gained from levelling anyway :p`
`09:49.18`	`Fisker-`	`Also they're not really keen on giving up their up to 400g`
`09:49.21`	`mitch0`	`the "normal" flying mount is like slo-mo`
`09:49.26`	Punkie`	`ya`
`09:49.36`	`Fisker-`	`so they want me to spend extra money but they don't really want to cough up something themselves`
`09:49.39`	Punkie`	`i also traded some motes for the water ones i fished up`
`09:49.42`	`nee\|work`	`I didn't get any mana motes while levelling I think`
`09:49.58`	`mitch0`	`Fisker-: and can't you explain the situation to them?`
`09:50.01`	Punkie`	`~200 motes of water in an hour from fishing if you are lucky :)`
`09:50.06`	`purl`	that's too long, Punkie`
`09:50.08`	`mitch0`	`even I got it and I'm braindead now`
`09:50.10`	`Fisker-`	`They don't get it either :)`
`09:50.34`	Punkie`	`purl owned me :(`
`09:50.46`	`mitch0`	`but it's so simple :) cost of stuff: x. cost of product: 0.8x`
`09:50.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	Punkie`: lol, totally.
`09:51.17`	`mitch0`	Punkie`: so is it worth leveling up fishing then?
`09:51.28`	`mitch0`	`been thinking about it, but it's such a pain`
`09:51.38`	Punkie`	`ofc? :p`
`09:51.48`	`mitch0`	`how accurate is that ~20primal water /hour?`
`09:52.19`	Punkie`	`it's something like 100 - 200 depending on the spawns of pure water`
`09:52.40`	Punkie`	`maximum i've had was 250 in an hour, but i was really lucky :P`
`09:52.46`	Punkie`	`pure water was spawning at my feet i tells ya`
`09:53.12`	`mitch0`	`lol`
`09:53.14`	Punkie`	`i wanted to go to bed, but the game wouldn't let me :[`
`09:53.25`	`mitch0`	`I've only seen one pure water spawn (in nagrand)`
`09:53.39`	`mitch0`	`where are there in greater density?`
`09:53.52`	Punkie`	`Nagrand :p`
`09:53.59`	`mitch0`	`s/incomprehesible gibberish/sane sentence/`
`09:54.03`	`mitch0`	`hm`
`09:54.10`	`mitch0`	`"they" must be farming them then`
`09:54.17`	Punkie`	`hehe /pat`
`09:54.26`	`Fisker-`	`WHAT THE FUCK`
`09:54.36`	`Fisker-`	`Another non-alchemist got it`
`09:54.39`	`mitch0`	`it's your capslock fisker`
`09:54.43`	`Fisker-`	`:O`
`09:54.50`	`Fisker-`	`It's cruise control for awesome`
`09:55.08`	`mitch0`	`I got mine "retired"`
`09:55.14`	`mitch0`	`(the caps lock)`
`09:55.14`	`Fisker-`	`:(`
`09:55.29`	`mitch0`	`a new "control" emerged in its place`
`09:55.39`	`mitch0`	`as god intended`
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`09:57.33`	`Fisker-`	`:(`
`10:01.08`	`ckknight`	`okay, so I have acquired a cowboy hat`
`10:01.16`	`ckknight`	`now, I need aviator sunglasses`
`10:02.29`	`Fisker-`	`What'ca highjacking?`
`10:03.20`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`10:03.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`he's hijacking the island of Maui. he's going to drive it out to the Philippines for a drive-by`
`10:03.31`	`Fisker-`	`awesome`
`10:03.39`	`Pyrrhus`	`Fisker-: lol`
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`10:05.15`	`Pyrrhus`	`so wheres the hotspot to fish in nagrand?? up on the platau?`
`10:06.04`	`Pyrrhus`	`fastest way for a mage with heb/tailoring to obtain 5000g?? anyone? :)`
`10:06.08`	`Pyrrhus`	`herb`
`10:06.37`	`wobin`	`sell your body?`
`10:06.46`	Punkie`	`fastest way to grind money is :`
`10:06.49`	`Stephmw`	`wobin: that body's been around, not worth 10g`
`10:06.51`	Punkie`	`a) quest`
`10:06.57`	Punkie`	`b) stop asking here`
`10:07.10`	`wobin`	`Stephmw: Well, you could always go for an installment plan`
`10:07.16`	`echos`	`c) Solicit yourself`
`10:07.26`	`wobin`	`d) ...`
`10:07.27`	`Stephmw`	`d) solicit someone else`
`10:07.29`	`*** join/#wowace Royal (n=m@cp291458-b.landg1.lb.home.nl)`
`10:07.30`	`wobin`	`e) PROFIT!`
`10:07.30`	`Dynom`	`e) ebay`
`10:07.32`	`nee\|work`	`Bah. The Hardware I ordered won't arrive until late this week or next week :\|`
`10:07.51`	`nee\|work`	`Stupid sites and their inaccurate 'Is this product in stock' features`
`10:08.00`	`Dynom`	`:P`
`10:10.02`	`Fisker-`	`denmark*`
`10:10.10`	`echos`	`1) Steal underpats`
`10:10.14`	`Fisker-`	`I can get any product returned within 6 months`
`10:10.18`	`echos`	`2)?`
`10:10.23`	`Fisker-`	`Unless the company explicit can prove that i broke it`
`10:10.24`	`Fisker-`	`:D`
`10:10.31`	`CIA-11`	`03trh * r30587 10VanasKoS/ (4 files in 2 dirs): VanasKoS: added a deDE translation for a string, don't notify in shattrath`
`10:10.42`	`Fisker-`	`You could go take a piss in your computer, deliver it at the manufactorer and get it back`
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`10:14.47`	`nee\|work`	`hm.. I just read that I might need to buy vista again if I replace my mainboard.`
`10:14.59`	`nee\|work`	`Sounds fun.`
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`10:16.34`	`wobin`	`3) Profit!`
`10:16.56`	`wobin`	`nee\|work: Your first mistake was buying Vista =P`
`10:17.50`	Punkie`	`vista isn't so bad!`
`10:17.59`	`wobin`	`It's not so good either`
`10:18.12`	`wobin`	`Perhaps I should clarify`
`10:18.14`	Punkie`	`well i have it here at work, not really any problems with it`
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`10:18.21`	`wobin`	`nee\|work: Your first mistake was buying Vista within the first year of release`
`10:18.27`	Punkie`	`hehe =)`
`10:18.29`	`nee\|work`	`I don't really care what other people think about any OS I'm using :)`
`10:18.40`	`Fisker-`	`Dreamscape is pretty cool`
`10:18.47`	`wobin`	`Oh, neither do I, it's more a practicality issue`
`10:18.57`	`wobin`	`ie any MS product before the first Service pack`
`10:19.22`	`Fisker-`	`and i liek that they use the graphics card for the desktop`
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`10:19.53`	`clad\|sleep`	`heyas chuckg`
`10:19.59`	`chuckg`	`Hi.`
`10:20.08`	Punkie`	`wobin: i would agree if it was my home computer, but i got it free at work =)`
`10:20.20`	`wobin`	`^^`
`10:20.23`	`wobin`	`free is always good`
`10:20.59`	`Fisker-`	`I got it "free" too`
`10:21.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i dunno. free isn't "always" good.`
`10:21.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I mean, I could give you a horrible disease, for "free"`
`10:21.31`	`wobin`	`well I'd get what I paid for`
`10:21.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`which, strangely, is not unlike vista.`
`10:21.33`	`Fisker-`	`awesome`
`10:21.43`	`wobin`	`nah`
`10:21.45`	`wobin`	`free is good`
`10:21.59`	`wobin`	`you just release all rights to complain about whatever was gotten free`
`10:22.21`	`wobin`	`unless it's from NightHawkTheSane`
`10:22.40`	`Fisker-`	`I disagree`
`10:22.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... Well, no free hookers for wobin`
`10:22.57`	`wobin`	`Then you have to make sure that if "It's not on, it's not on" =)`
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`10:42.52`	`CIA-11`	`03toadkiller * r30588 10PeriodicTable-3.0/data.lua:`
`10:42.52`	`CIA-11`	`PeriodicTable-3.0`
`10:42.52`	`CIA-11`	`-- Sort weapon poisons`
`10:42.52`	`CIA-11`	`-- Remove deprecated "Alterac Valley" potions. Use PvP potions instead.`
`10:42.52`	`CIA-11`	`-- Reinstated Anesthetic poison category. It is like instant but has no extra aggro & is cheaper apparently.`
`10:42.52`	`CIA-11`	`-- 18045:12 Tender Wolf Steak`
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`10:44.17`	`Fisker-`	`oh oh`
`10:44.33`	`Fisker-`	`~flee`
`10:44.36`	`purl`	`ACTION runs away screaming`
`10:44.57`	`Pyrrhus`	`~hide`
`10:44.58`	`purl`	`ACTION runs away to shelter.`
`10:45.10`	`Fisker-`	`~masturbate`
`10:45.17`	`Pyrrhus`	`Fisker-: lol`
`10:45.24`	`Fisker-`	`doesn't work :(`
`10:45.25`	`Fisker-`	`~fap`
`10:45.26`	`purl`	`[fap] good`
`10:45.32`	`Fisker-`	`that sucked`
`10:45.46`	`Pyrrhus`	`~scream`
`10:45.46`	`purl`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!`
`10:45.50`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`10:45.53`	`Fisker-`	`~ballmer`
`10:45.57`	`purl`	`methinks ballmer is Darth Maul to Gates' Palpatine, or fat`
`10:46.02`	`Fisker-`	`QQ`
`10:46.04`	`Fisker-`	`~developers`
`10:46.06`	`Pyrrhus`	`~fisker`
`10:46.07`	`purl`	`rumour has it, fisker is hardware, software, all the same, I have no idea`
`10:46.15`	`Fisker-`	`~ballmer`
`10:46.16`	`purl`	`from memory, ballmer is Darth Maul to Gates' Palpatine, or fat`
`10:46.22`	`Pyrrhus`	`~Pyrrhus`
`10:46.24`	`Fisker-`	`~emulate ballmer`
`10:46.37`	`Pyrrhus`	`~pyrrhus`
`10:46.47`	Punkie`	`~slap Fisker-`
`10:46.55`	Punkie`	`he's broke =(`
`10:47.00`	`Fisker-`	`awesome`
`10:47.08`	`Fisker-`	`Probably from emulating ballmer`
`10:47.21`	Punkie`	`haha`
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`11:00.54`	`Fisker-`	`purl, you suck`
`11:00.57`	`purl`	`no, you suck!`
`11:01.03`	`Fisker-`	`y helo thar`
`11:01.07`	`Fisker-`	`~emulate ballmer`
`11:01.17`	`Fisker-`	`QQ`
`11:03.14`	`wobin`	`~ballmer`
`11:03.15`	`purl`	`from memory, ballmer is Darth Maul to Gates' Palpatine, or fat`
`11:03.22`	`wobin`	`~steveballmer`
`11:03.23`	`purl`	`ACTION throws an AL at wobin screaming, COMPETITIONCOMPETITIONCOMPETITON!!`
`11:03.31`	`wobin`	`~steveballmer fisker`
`11:03.44`	`wobin`	`~steveballmer`
`11:03.46`	`purl`	`ACTION roars "I'll f*cking KILL wobin!"`
`11:04.18`	`Fisker-`	`~steveballmer`
`11:04.19`	`purl`	`ACTION throws a chair at fisker-`
`11:04.26`	`Fisker-`	`oww`
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`11:06.04`	Punkie`	`purl needs a ~mudkip :(`
`11:06.46`	`Fisker-`	`purl literal steveballmer`
`11:06.47`	`purl`	`"steveballmer" is "<action> ( throws a chair at $nick \| bounces on $nick screaming, "DEVELOPERSDEVELOPERSDEVELOPERS!!"\| dances on $nick while screaming, "I. LOVE. THIS. COMPANY!!"\| throws an AL at $nick screaming, COMPETITIONCOMPETITIONCOMPETITON!! \| roars "I'll f*cking KILL $nick!" \| dances like a monkey ontop of $nick)"`
`11:07.13`	`Fisker-`	`purl mudkip is <reply> So, $nick i heard you liek mudkips`
`11:07.14`	`purl`	`Fisker-: okay`
`11:07.16`	`Fisker-`	`~mudkip`
`11:07.17`	`purl`	`So, fisker- i heard you liek mudkips`
`11:07.26`	Punkie`	`<3`
`11:07.30`	`Fisker-`	~mudkip Punkie`
`11:07.32`	`vhaarr`	`Should I get Mongoose on both my alts weapons, or only on MH?`
`11:07.39`	`Fisker-`	`damn`
`11:07.40`	`vhaarr`	`And like .. +15 agi on OH?`
`11:07.49`	`Fisker-`	`purl literal whaleslap`
`11:07.50`	`purl`	`"whaleslap" is "<action> slaps <target> with a whale."`
`11:08.04`	`Fisker-`	`purl, no mudkip is <reply> So, <target> i heard you liek mudkips`
`11:08.05`	`purl`	`Fisker-: okay`
`11:08.10`	`Fisker-`	~mudkip Punkie`
`11:08.20`	`Fisker-`	`:o?`
`11:08.25`	`Fisker-`	`~mudkip`
`11:08.26`	`purl`	`So, <target> i heard you liek mudkips`
`11:08.30`	`Fisker-`	`O_o`
`11:08.49`	`Fisker-`	`purl, no mudkip is <reply> So, $nick i herd you liek mudkips`
`11:08.50`	`purl`	`okay, Fisker-`
`11:10.56`	Punkie`	`purl, no mudkip is <action> So, $target i herd u liek mudkips`
`11:10.57`	`purl`	okay, Punkie`
`11:11.06`	Punkie`	`~mudkip Fisker-`
`11:11.11`	Punkie`	`:(`
`11:11.31`	`vhaarr`	`purl, literal whalecrit`
`11:11.50`	`Fisker-`	`~mudkip`
`11:11.50`	`purl`	`ACTION So, $target i herd u liek mudkips`
`11:11.54`	`Fisker-`	`lawl :o`
`11:11.57`	`vhaarr`	`~whalecrit Fisker-`
`11:12.00`	`Fisker-`	`fu punkie`
`11:12.03`	`vhaarr`	`wtf`
`11:12.03`	`Fisker-`	`you broek it`
`11:12.06`	`Fisker-`	`purl, no mudkip is <reply> So, $nick i herd you liek mudkips`
`11:12.07`	`purl`	`okay, Fisker-`
`11:12.18`	`vhaarr`	`~literal whalestab`
`11:12.25`	`vhaarr`	`~literal whalefu`
`11:12.26`	`purl`	`"whalefu" is "<reply> Whalefu is an ancient irc fighting style of unknown origin that was mastered and extended by Neronix"`
`11:12.30`	`vhaarr`	`..`
`11:12.40`	Punkie`	`~mudkip Fisker-`
`11:12.46`	Punkie`	`~mudkip`
`11:12.47`	`purl`	So, punkie` i herd you liek mudkips
`11:13.10`	Punkie`	`i hate him he is so smrt =(`
`11:13.14`	`vhaarr`	`~literal slap`
`11:13.24`	Punkie`	`purl, i hate you`
`11:13.25`	`purl`	`but i love you!`
`11:13.29`	Punkie`	`=(`
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`11:15.08`	`vhaarr`	`purl, whalecrit is <action> crits <who> with a mathematically challenged whale named Oscar for #NaN`
`11:15.09`	`purl`	`okay, vhaarr`
`11:15.13`	`vhaarr`	`ffs`
`11:15.17`	`vhaarr`	`someone had removed them`
`11:15.20`	`vhaarr`	`~whalecrit Fisker-`
`11:15.40`	`vhaarr`	`grr`
`11:16.29`	`wobin`	`=(`
`11:16.39`	Punkie`	`purl, get out`
`11:16.55`	`wobin`	`so..`
`11:16.57`	`Fisker-`	`It seems like the <who> and <target> variables doesn't work`
`11:16.59`	`wobin`	`what are mudkips?`
`11:17.23`	Punkie`	`can purl google?`
`11:17.27`	Punkie`	`~google mudkip`
`11:17.52`	Punkie`	`purl, url: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q= shorthand google`
`11:18.00`	`wobin`	`...`
`11:18.04`	`wobin`	`the pokemon?`
`11:18.13`	Punkie`	`yes =)`
`11:18.27`	`vhaarr`	`purl, get bent`
`11:18.35`	`wobin`	`oh`
`11:18.35`	`Fisker-`	`Anyone know some phpbb stuff?`
`11:18.37`	`wobin`	`4chan`
`11:19.03`	`wobin`	`thank you urbandictionary for educating me =P`
`11:19.09`	Punkie`	`purl, phpbb sucks`
`11:19.15`	`Fisker-`	`qq`
`11:19.27`	Punkie`	`whats the problem with it Fisker-?`
`11:20.34`	`Fisker-`	`Well i got the forum on another site right now`
`11:20.41`	`Fisker-`	`And i want to migrate it to another domain`
`11:20.52`	`Fisker-`	`But it seems to inherit the the old site settings`
`11:20.59`	`Fisker-`	`so everything is forwarded to the old site`
`11:21.07`	Punkie`	`edit the mysql database`
`11:21.10`	Punkie`	`the config table`
`11:21.20`	Punkie`	`you should see a URL entry in there somehwere`
`11:21.40`	`Fisker-`	`i can't find one, atleast not without domain it :/`
`11:21.52`	`Fisker-`	`could work better if i typed in the correct url though`
`11:22.24`	Punkie`	`:o`
`11:22.29`	`Fisker-`	`this is gonna take some time though`
`11:22.42`	`Fisker-`	`200000 posts i'm sure our domain is mentioned more than once :)`
`11:22.58`	Punkie`	`eh`
`11:23.17`	Punkie`	`if you change the configuration then it should be ok`
`11:23.21`	Punkie`	`unless someone made a post like`
`11:23.46`	Punkie`	`zomg, check out this thread: http://fiskerisanabb.com/forum/thread.php?23897123`
`11:23.52`	`Fisker-`	`QQ`
`11:23.57`	Punkie`	`=)`
`11:24.22`	`Fisker-`	`might as well start over`
`11:24.45`	`Fisker-`	`Or i should import into my sql server on my laptop`
`11:25.01`	`Fisker-`	`since that is 1 BILLLION times easier`
`11:25.30`	Punkie`	`what forum is it anyhows?`
`11:25.44`	`Fisker-`	`phpbb2`
`11:26.03`	Punkie`	`you made me aware of that like, 6 minutes ago`
`11:26.07`	Punkie`	`whats it about? :p`
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`11:26.12`	`Fisker-`	`i know`
`11:26.14`	`Fisker-`	`i'm a COCK TEASE`
`11:26.18`	`Fisker-`	`It's our guildforum`
`11:26.19`	`haste`	`mongler?`
`11:26.24`	`Fisker-`	`also that`
`11:26.40`	`Fisker-`	`i'm likely to perform fellatio on you`
`11:26.42`	`wobin`	`alas`
`11:26.45`	`wobin`	`server not found`
`11:27.26`	`haste`	`np: UNDER17 - Kujibiki Unbalance`
`11:27.29`	`haste`	`that song is so imbalanced`
`11:27.47`	`wobin`	`The name could be a possilble hint`
`11:28.01`	`haste`	`it hints more towards the vocals voice :p`
`11:28.47`	`haste`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dkkQwezCOc << another song, but still!`
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`11:39.17`	`Fisker-`	`anyone know how to use patch files? :O`
`11:40.00`	`odt`	`patch -p0 < file.patch`
`11:40.47`	`Fisker-`	`command not found zomg`
`11:40.55`	`odt`	`linux?`
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`11:41.33`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`11:41.37`	`Fisker-`	`ubuntu 6.06`
`11:41.47`	`odt`	`strange, diffutils should be pretty basic`
`11:42.02`	`odt`	`but probably you don't have em then`
`11:42.24`	`[dRaCo]`	`that's what packet managers are for :�`
`11:42.29`	`abbat-w`	`can someone help me to modify ag_Uf_rangecheck to make transparent only "focus frame", not party/self/target frames`
`11:42.33`	`abbat-w`	`i use aUF_RangeCheck_M`
`11:43.19`	`Fisker-`	`so what should i be getting? :P`
`11:43.46`	`Fisker-`	`Isn't any diffutils it seems`
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`11:45.44`	`abbat-w`	`i think easyest way if change this function`
`11:45.45`	`abbat-w`	`function aUFR.UpdateRange(frame)`
`11:45.57`	`abbat-w`	`if frame is not focus then return`
`11:46.35`	`abbat-w`	`but how i can check this? are frame is focus frame or not`
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`11:51.30`	`abbat-w`	`~seen miles`
`11:51.57`	`purl`	`miles <i=Miles@174-228.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 60d 10h 41m 13s ago, saying: 'is it just me, or is ark inventory really, really slow when you put stuff in the bank (with 148 slots)'.`
`11:52.17`	`abbat-w`	`oh`
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`11:57.57`	Punkie`	`~mudkip`
`11:58.00`	`purl`	So, punkie` i herd you liek mudkips
`11:58.06`	Punkie`	`i do!`
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`12:03.46`	`Fisker-`	`http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1174392198551.jpg <-nsfw`
`12:04.25`	`nevcairiel`	`oh my`
`12:05.35`	`nevcairiel`	`for whatever reason youtube is always crapping out on me .. too slow to play a vid in realtime, always hanging .. whats up with that :o`
`12:06.08`	`Fisker-`	`same here`
`12:06.30`	`nevcairiel`	`myspace works fine`
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`12:11.12`	`odt`	`never used myspace`
`12:11.45`	`odt`	`youtube links all the way :)`
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`12:21.05`	`abyssichate`	`Is autobar broken for anyone else with the latest version push?`
`12:22.57`	`abbat_w`	`guys, can someone explain me how often WoW call OnUpdate() for focus frame for example?`
`12:23.13`	`clad\|sleep`	`OnUpdate is called every frame.`
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`12:23.42`	`abbat_w`	`How often?`
`12:24.00`	`clad\|work`	`every frame`
`12:24.02`	`clad\|work`	`...`
`12:24.15`	`clad\|work`	`every single redraw of the screen`
`12:24.16`	`abbat_w`	`Hmm.. maybe i missunderstand`
`12:24.21`	`kenlyric`	`so, between 5 and 100 times per second, depending on your framerate?`
`12:24.24`	`clad\|work`	`everytime the screen is repainted, OnUpdate is called`
`12:24.25`	`clad\|work`	`yes.`
`12:24.32`	`abbat_w`	`Ok, thanks`
`12:24.38`	`abbat_w`	`Thats all what i need to know`
`12:24.40`	`clad\|work`	`and there is no focus frame by default`
`12:24.46`	`abbat_w`	`i know ;)`
`12:24.49`	`clad\|work`	`and you really shouldn't need to OnUpdate it.`
`12:24.52`	`clad\|work`	`for any reason`
`12:24.58`	`abbat_w`	`i just want to modify range check for ag_UF`
`12:25.06`	`kenlyric`	`focus is fast, I know that... seemingly much faster than raid frames.`
`12:25.06`	`abbat_w`	`I need range check only for focus frame`
`12:25.26`	`clad\|work`	`kenlyric: that makes no sense.`
`12:25.31`	`abbat_w`	`It's for pvp macros like cs on focus and sheep on focus`
`12:25.33`	`xlvii`	`does anyone know of any decent fixed price dkp systems, with most pieces from tbc already implemented? i have no idea how to gauge the cost of them.`
`12:25.43`	`clad\|work`	`abbat_w: well thats how often OnUpdate runs`
`12:25.44`	`AKX`	`Hah! http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806&start=43`
`12:25.48`	`abbat_w`	`So, i need to know are my focus in range or not`
`12:25.51`	`clad\|work`	`xlvii: just don't use DKP for Kharazan, problem solved.`
`12:26.03`	`clad\|work`	`=)`
`12:26.13`	`kenlyric`	`clad\|work: I know. yet, still true.`
`12:26.33`	`xlvii`	`clad\|work, but we need to -.-`
`12:26.36`	`clad\|work`	`Seriously, work on getting prices set for Tier 1/2 and just random Khara loot, or use priority if you need to get someone geared up.`
`12:26.37`	`ilifin`	`karazahn shouldn't be necessary to use dkp in, as you don't want to do karazhan with people who can't figure out on their own how to best benefit the raid looting wise`
`12:26.40`	`kenlyric`	`grid health numbers always seem a fraction of a second slower to update than target, player, focus`
`12:26.57`	`clad\|work`	`kenlyric: then that's an issue with grid.. they all should process the events at the same time`
`12:27.04`	`clad\|work`	`unless grid is using buckets, or delaying the update`
`12:27.05`	`xlvii`	`i suppose`
`12:27.07`	`xlvii`	`good point really.`
`12:27.08`	`xlvii`	`:O`
`12:27.14`	`clad\|work`	`all event dispatch handlers are called before the game resumes`
`12:27.19`	`xlvii`	`but uh.`
`12:28.23`	`kenlyric`	`meh, we still use our old dkp system so we can track kills and lootz on our website. We just don't charge dkp or earn dkp.`
`12:29.32`	`xlvii`	`kenlyric, what system is that?`
`12:29.38`	`kenlyric`	`the nice thing about smaller raid sizes is you don't need to pander to the loot whores anymore.`
`12:29.56`	`clad\|work`	`thats why i say in 10 man raids`
`12:29.59`	`clad\|work`	`dkp is WAY overkill`
`12:30.14`	`kenlyric`	`i dunnoo ndkp, eqdkp, I don't pay attention.`
`12:30.22`	`kenlyric`	`the one with smaller values for items.`
`12:30.30`	`clad\|work`	`xlvii: http://www.webdkp.com`
`12:30.48`	`clad\|work`	`http://code.google.com/p/epgp/`
`12:31.25`	`kenlyric`	`i was all worried about attrition and stuff with 10-man raids... it's great. The whiners and the selfish folks and the loot whores are leaving in droves.`
`12:31.42`	`clad\|work`	`in a 10 man raid`
`12:31.45`	`clad\|work`	`you'll have 2-3 healers`
`12:31.49`	`clad\|work`	`2-3 tanks`
`12:31.56`	`clad\|work`	`i.e. tank spec tanks`
`12:31.59`	`kenlyric`	`2?`
`12:32.01`	`clad\|work`	`and a bunch'o'dps`
`12:32.15`	`clad\|work`	`that in itself provides enough spread on the loot to make it a non-issue`
`12:32.15`	`kenlyric`	`lol, if you have 3 prot tanks in karazhan, something is broken.`
`12:32.24`	`kenlyric`	`well, I guess maybe on rotation.`
`12:32.25`	`clad\|work`	`I didn't say prot tanks.`
`12:32.32`	`clad\|work`	`I said 2-3 tank spec'd tanks.`
`12:32.43`	`xlvii`	`yeah, i know the class set up and stuff`
`12:32.46`	`xlvii`	`just trying to work out a system`
`12:32.50`	`kenlyric`	`yes, those awesome fury tanks...`
`12:32.51`	`clad\|work`	`druids run in khara more than warriors as backups`
`12:32.52`	`xlvii`	`i have a fairly good idea though`
`12:33.00`	`kenlyric`	`oh, right.`
`12:33.04`	`clad\|work`	`a fury warrior isn't a tank spec'd tank`
`12:33.06`	`clad\|work`	`nub`
`12:33.10`	`clad\|work`	`i chose my words carefully`
`12:33.11`	`kenlyric`	`isn't it sad when you're in karazhan and the druid is easier to keep alive than the warrior?`
`12:33.14`	`xlvii`	`http://www.webdkp.com`
`12:33.16`	`xlvii`	`MT`
`12:33.21`	`clad\|work`	`MT your FACE`
`12:34.21`	`mitch0`	`dkp sux`
`12:34.23`	`kenlyric`	`so you guys only use 3 healers in raids?`
`12:34.29`	`kenlyric`	`(karazhan)`
`12:34.33`	`clad\|work`	`3 is too many`
`12:34.41`	`clad\|work`	`2 and a backup`
`12:35.27`	`vhaarr`	`indeed, 2 + backup`
`12:35.59`	`clad\|work`	`that's why i spec'd weird, i'm 1/41/19, but I took the +healing/str talent in Feral and one other to ensure I have sweet ass healing =)`
`12:36.02`	`clad\|work`	`and i do :P`
`12:36.08`	`clad\|work`	`okay, i'm off to work`
`12:36.11`	`clad\|work`	`ptfo`
`12:36.32`	`Prophh`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=rfilLgPB5Sk`
`12:36.38`	`CIA-11`	`03mysterix * r30589 10FuBar_WindFuryFu/WindFuryFu.lua:`
`12:36.38`	`CIA-11`	`FuBar_WindFuryFu:`
`12:36.38`	`CIA-11`	`- Fix for 'Level' var Bug which caused a error in QuestlogFrame.lua in line 600`
`12:36.38`	`CIA-11`	`- Fix for startup error which caused a nil value`
`12:36.44`	`kenlyric`	`I suppose once we get the boss fights down pat, but I can't picture two healers on some of those.`
`12:37.17`	`kenlyric`	`hell, I can't picture three healers on some of those, and I've been there to see it.`
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`12:39.34`	`clad\|work`	`kenlyric: you need the DPS more.. you can't outheal a lot of these fights.`
`12:39.43`	`clad\|work`	`as much as you'd want to =)`
`12:39.53`	`kenlyric`	`we definitely need better dps.`
`12:40.41`	`mitch0`	`you need more uber frostmages like me :)`
`12:40.53`	`kenlyric`	`it's funny that when we have 4 healers and when we have 3 healers on curator, the adds die just as fast. It's like the dps gets distracted when their health gets low.`
`12:43.23`	`kenlyric`	`I just had a thought... what kind of gear are your healers carrying into karazhan?`
`12:47.27`	`odt`	`bags of consumables`
`12:49.43`	`SunTiger`	`kenlyric, the lower your hp, the more carefull you get when dps, you can take less hits if you do pull agro.`
`12:50.15`	`SunTiger`	`also, when there are less healers you have the more controlled you fight, meaning less dps.`
`12:51.03`	`kenlyric`	`it's not really an issue of healing output...it's an issue of having casting times :)`
`12:52.08`	`kenlyric`	`if the tank can die in the time it takes to flash heal a rogue, it becomes very difficult to care about that rogue.`
`12:53.36`	`wobin`	`I know I get somewhat distracted when I'm almost dead.`
`12:53.43`	`wobin`	`It's like my whole life flashes before my eyes.`
`12:53.49`	`mitch0`	`:)`
`12:53.51`	`Stephmw`	`SunTiger: I'm finding that as a mage with 5k hp, the problem is indeed the casting time for heals onto me`
`12:53.51`	`wobin`	`And I'm like: "... That's it?"`
`12:54.04`	`mitch0`	`I just linger my finger over ice block :)`
`12:54.08`	`kenlyric`	`5khp? what are you in, t3?`
`12:54.24`	`Stephmw`	`SunTiger: when bosses hit me for 3k a hit... there's no way a priest can keep up ;)`
`12:54.30`	`SunTiger`	`true`
`12:54.31`	`Stephmw`	`kenlyric: no, I sacrificed int for sta`
`12:54.43`	`SunTiger`	`but when bosses hit for 3k a hit the rogue is going to be VERY CAREFULL`
`12:54.47`	`SunTiger`	`therefor do less dps.`
`12:54.54`	`Stephmw`	`kenlyric: I'm more geared like a warlock`
`12:55.16`	`Stephmw`	`kenlyric: precisely because I want the extra hp :)`
`12:55.38`	`kenlyric`	`Stephmw: you just said you only had 5k hp.`
`12:55.43`	`kenlyric`	`that's hardly geared like a warlock.`
`12:55.56`	`kenlyric`	`I have 6200 hp just self buffed, and I actively ignore stamina as a stat.`
`12:55.56`	`Stephmw`	`.. compared to your typical mage, it is`
`12:56.03`	`kenlyric`	`lol.`
`12:56.24`	`Stephmw`	`kenlyric: http://armory.wow-europe.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Aerie+Peak&n=Fragilist`
`12:57.49`	`Stephmw`	`mostly unbuffed, only have AI on that sheet`
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`12:58.05`	`kenlyric`	`shoot, that's almost 6k, and without even a fort.`
`12:58.39`	`kenlyric`	`you still got a ways to go for warlock stamina :)`
`12:58.47`	`Stephmw`	`true enough :)`
`12:59.08`	`Stephmw`	`one thing I'm finding is that mage gear rarely has +sta on it atm... it's worrying`
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`12:59.31`	`kenlyric`	`really, I'm finding it equally hard to find gear that doesn't have stamina.`
`12:59.41`	`Stephmw`	`but low on int?`
`12:59.43`	`abbat_w`	`pfff...`
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`12:59.47`	`abbat_w`	`spellfire set ;)`
`12:59.50`	`abbat_w`	`for example`
`13:00.10`	`kenlyric`	`lol, you're only 67.`
`13:00.26`	`kenlyric`	`you really do have quite a lot of stamina`
`13:01.14`	`kenlyric`	`prayer of mending is such an awesome spell in a 2-man group.`
`13:01.55`	`Stephmw`	`aye, I'm still a lowbie... went for my first old hillsbrad run on sunday ;)`
`13:02.15`	`Stephmw`	`... not had a priest in my group for quite a while... we do ok atm with a druid+shammy`
`13:02.36`	`kenlyric`	`I miss druids.`
`13:03.07`	`kenlyric`	`that's the other issue with having only two healers. Pallies really are only 1/2 a healer anyway.`
`13:03.22`	`Health`	`Paladins are the best healers.`
`13:04.07`	`[dRaCo]`	`rogues are even better. first aid ftw!`
`13:04.11`	`Stephmw`	`not many 70 BE pallies on my server yet, so can't comment`
`13:04.13`	`kenlyric`	`sorry, took me long to reply because I was laughing so hard.`
`13:05.10`	`Health`	`So.. what do you raid kenlyric?`
`13:05.20`	`chutwig`	`very little, apparently`
`13:06.34`	`Fisker-`	`I FAP`
`13:06.35`	`kenlyric`	`karazhan`
`13:06.39`	`mitch0`	`raid and 5-mans in the same sentence is kinda funny :)`
`13:07.02`	`kenlyric`	`and I'd pay good money to see two paladins keep up the tank on some of those fights.`
`13:07.21`	`chutwig`	`considering for my guild two paladins usually do, get your money ready`
`13:07.34`	`kenlyric`	`so perhaps what you mean is "good paladins are the best healers"`
`13:07.35`	`ilifin`	`not a hard feat that`
`13:07.44`	`ilifin`	`one spamming holy light another topping off with flash`
`13:08.08`	`kenlyric`	`on 10 people?`
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`13:08.26`	`abbat_w`	`yep`
`13:08.37`	`chutwig`	`you act like healing karazhan is really hard`
`13:08.37`	`abbat_w`	`and this 2 paladins never have oom`
`13:08.55`	`chutwig`	`the only fight that i think is actually a challenge to heal is nightbane during stage 2`
`13:10.33`	`kenlyric`	`yes, I consider any fight where the tank can die from full health in under three seconds "hard". Especially when you have other people taking significant damage too.`
`13:10.58`	`Stephmw`	`mitch0: I look at it from an organisation perspective. Our 5-mans are very organised.`
`13:11.14`	`chutwig`	`that's not a "hard" fight`
`13:11.17`	`chutwig`	`that's just a fight`
`13:11.27`	`Health`	`kenlyric: How much hp does your tank have?`
`13:11.28`	`Stephmw`	`mitch0: numbers-wise... I guess you start calling it a raid when you need more than one group?`
`13:11.45`	`kenlyric`	`the good one, 13-14k,... the usual one, 11-12k`
`13:12.17`	`Stephmw`	`kenlyric: level 70, right? how much should they have at 67?`
`13:12.37`	`Health`	`It al depends on gear`
`13:12.42`	`Health`	`all too`
`13:12.52`	`kenlyric`	`and how good they are as a tank.`
`13:13.37`	`kenlyric`	`healing in an optimal environment where the tank keeps aggro as much as humanly possible and dps takes as little damage as humanly possible, I'd buy two paladins handling it all.`
`13:14.41`	`chutwig`	`so how far are you in karazhan`
`13:14.45`	`kenlyric`	`but then again, if you're in that kind of perfect world, you're probably in or very close to serpentshrine cavern.`
`13:14.51`	`chutwig`	`with your fisher price my first raid`
`13:15.41`	`kenlyric`	`aran, and, not my first raid.`
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`13:17.08`	`Health`	`giggle!`
`13:18.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`google`
`13:19.19`	`Stephmw`	`boggle`
`13:19.50`	`kenlyric`	`so yeah, maybe what I need to see is better paladins :)`
`13:20.23`	`chutwig`	`maybe`
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`13:53.52`	`art3mis`	`woo penn and teller's bullshit is back!`
`13:54.37`	`Fisker-`	`BULLSHIT`
`13:58.36`	`art3mis`	`http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-exploits/14269-cammand-make-millions-gold.html`
`13:58.42`	`art3mis`	`hehe thats just amusing`
`13:59.01`	`art3mis`	`specially if you can find someone not paying attention thats run the script and you buy something from trade for 50c ;P`
`13:59.28`	`wobin`	`rofl`
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`14:01.27`	`Fisker-`	`awesome`
`14:01.39`	`Fisker-`	`Can someon put that into ora?`
`14:01.40`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`14:02.17`	`Fisker-`	`I'm seriously gonna type that command each time i take a screenshot`
`14:03.17`	Punkie`	`haha`
`14:05.02`	`kenlyric`	`the screenshot will say "you have been banned from world of warcraft. Please buy another copy and reroll soon!"`
`14:05.09`	Punkie`	`OMG THIS GUY IS ON TO SOMETHING PPL:`
`14:05.11`	Punkie`	`http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-scams/14295-tricky-scam.html`
`14:05.24`	`kenlyric`	`what's the /command that makes you disconnect?`
`14:05.31`	`kenlyric`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:05.33`	Punkie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:05.57`	`kenlyric`	`It's always nice to think of that whenever I get the mistaken impression that blizzard is a professional game company.`
`14:06.58`	`deltron`	`lol`
`14:08.38`	`Fisker-`	`what do you mean by that kenlyric?`
`14:10.59`	`kenlyric`	`that having an innocent command disconnect you is a bad but funny idea.`
`14:11.18`	`JoshBorke`	`why does /camp disconnect you?`
`14:11.20`	`JoshBorke`	`it logs me out`
`14:11.25`	Punkie`	`yeah it logs you out`
`14:11.40`	Punkie`	`its used in other games, just not WoW kenlyric :p`
`14:11.52`	Punkie`	`in fact, back to the days of MUDs :p`
`14:12.01`	`wobin`	`er`
`14:12.06`	`wobin`	`isn't that the point of /camp?`
`14:12.32`	`Fisker-`	`^^`
`14:12.35`	`art3mis`	`back when you hd to setup camp to elave and actually go to an inn and "rent" store yer gear to keep it`
`14:12.40`	`kenlyric`	`JoshBorke: same thing`
`14:12.43`	`Fisker-`	`it's the same as /logout`
`14:13.06`	`kenlyric`	`but you don't really expect /camp to log you out.`
`14:13.18`	`JoshBorke`	`well i did...`
`14:13.25`	`kenlyric`	`art3mis: well, that makes sense`
`14:13.25`	`JoshBorke`	`i guess i'm just weird though`
`14:13.28`	`art3mis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:13.30`	`Fisker-`	`same here`
`14:13.30`	`JoshBorke`	`wow being my first mmorpg`
`14:13.34`	`art3mis`	`thas my fav command`
`14:13.38`	`art3mis`	`err question to ask`
`14:13.42`	`Fisker-`	`I knew that /camp was used back in swg`
`14:13.45`	`kenlyric`	`well, i did because I saw people saying to do it in general chat. And I never trust anything in general chat.`
`14:13.48`	`art3mis`	`since most people will type /2 /gquit`
`14:14.08`	`Fisker-`	`you have to confirm anyways don't you?`
`14:14.14`	`art3mis`	`nope`
`14:14.19`	`art3mis`	`it just removes you`
`14:15.19`	`art3mis`	`http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070320/ap_on_re_us/lost_data;_ylt=AiPL1BrknGBKq3B9V3mVscvMWM0F`
`14:20.38`	`deltron`	`LOL`
`14:20.46`	`deltron`	`they didn't have multiple backups?`
`14:23.39`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=263786632&postId=2636429991&sid=1#0`
`14:23.40`	`Fisker-`	`QQ`
`14:24.58`	`Fisker-`	`They did`
`14:25.00`	`Fisker-`	`they all failed deltron`
`14:25.07`	`*** join/#wowace Adirelle\|work (n=gperreal@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net)`
`14:25.14`	`*** join/#wowace Jens (i=Jens@pdpc/supporter/active/Jens)`
`14:25.16`	`Adirelle\|work`	`hi`
`14:25.21`	`Fisker-`	`I like how you "accidently format the backup drive"`
`14:25.34`	`deltron`	`i bet it was on a separate partition`
`14:25.40`	`wobin`	`I mean, "format c:"`
`14:25.46`	`wobin`	`the keys are like, right next to each other`
`14:25.58`	`evl`	`Fisker-: wtf? :D`
`14:27.37`	`deltron`	`Fisker-: that's kinda like the economy on my server`
`14:28.27`	`haste`	`Fisker-: you forgot to edit the bid you can place`
`14:28.43`	`haste`	`oh wait`
`14:28.55`	`Fisker-`	`nah`
`14:29.05`	`Fisker-`	`had to do that so bid/buyout was greyed out`
`14:29.26`	`deltron`	`also lol @ over nine thousand`
`14:29.26`	`Fisker-`	`for some reason auditorfu doesn't record the money change`
`14:31.15`	Punkie`	`you should make another screenshot of the crazy prices on light leather =)`
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`14:33.19`	`Fisker-`	`ah crap`
`14:33.28`	`Fisker-`	`forgot that it shows money in the lower left corner of the auction frame`
`14:33.36`	`deltron`	`lol`
`14:35.08`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`14:35.29`	`JoshBorke`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:35.39`	`deltron`	`bussssssssssted`
`14:36.50`	Punkie`	`just edit it, people will only really be looking at the AH prices :>`
`14:37.10`	`Fisker-`	`Fubar can't be fooled!`
`14:38.06`	Punkie`	`~fubar`
`14:38.07`	`purl`	`fubar is f*cked up beyond any recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included)`
`14:38.14`	Punkie`	`=)`
`14:39.03`	`Stephmw`	`*wishes...`
`14:39.06`	`Stephmw`	`ok, time for more coffee`
`14:40.08`	`Dynom`	`fubar's R is also used for other words, like Repair or Reason`
`14:40.32`	`evl`	`deltron: you kidding right? :P`
`14:41.52`	`kenlyric`	`oddly enough, I learned foobar way before fubar.`
`14:41.53`	`wobin`	`such is the life of a coder =P`
`14:41.53`	`wobin`	`anyway, night all =)`
`14:41.58`	Punkie`	`g'night wobin`
`14:41.59`	`kenlyric`	`$foo and $bar`
`14:42.19`	`deltron`	`evl: nay, should be frozen very shortly`
`14:43.02`	`deltron`	`not going to reboot the box till I'm back home I think :)`
`14:43.16`	Punkie`	`http://www.tallage.co.uk/upload/piratesvsgm.jpg`
`14:43.19`	Punkie`	`:D`
`14:44.25`	`Dynom`	`I started with hello world and raboof`
`14:45.08`	`Dynom`	`$world="hello"; $fubar = $world; print "the $world";`
`14:45.14`	`Dynom`	`note the irony`
`14:45.22`	`Fisker-`	`HEY PUNKIE`
`14:45.29`	`Fisker-`	`"It would not be wise to spit on a GM"`
`14:45.40`	`kenlyric`	`every C book i've ever seen uses foo and bar`
`14:45.43`	Punkie`	`:D`
`14:45.50`	`Fisker-`	`shut the fuck up faggot gm`
`14:46.03`	`Fisker-`	`if you don't want to be spat on then get the fucking emote removed`
`14:46.09`	Punkie`	`I love the 'I spit where I please'`
`14:46.10`	Punkie`	`hehe`
`14:47.18`	`Fisker-`	`Still pretty retarded given blizzard's refusal to remove the emote`
`14:47.55`	`Tornhoof`	`it's clearly role playing after all :D`
`14:49.11`	Punkie`	`I'm going to download the pirate speak mod to annoy people in my guild =)`
`14:50.05`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=263786632&postId=2636430132&sid=1#10`
`14:50.06`	`Fisker-`	`GOGOG`
`14:50.16`	`Fisker-`	`They'll never expect it's my alt`
`14:51.26`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`14:51.42`	`Fisker-`	`anyone remember that command again? :/`
`14:51.44`	`Fisker-`	`forgot it`
`14:51.44`	`nevcairiel`	`i should post an explain it.`
`14:52.04`	`Fisker-`	`nono`
`14:52.29`	`Fisker-`	`is my post reported btw?`
`14:52.38`	Punkie`	`nah`
`14:52.41`	`Fisker-`	`you can see if the nuke logo on my original post is grey`
`14:52.41`	`Fisker-`	`yay`
`14:52.49`	Punkie`	`and Highlander is confused!`
`14:53.39`	`nevcairiel`	`haha someone caught you`
`14:53.51`	`Fisker-`	`already been caught twice :(`
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`14:55.15`	Punkie`	`how many pages do yo uthink you will get? :p`
`14:55.21`	`Tornhoof`	`well you're pink Bloodelf pala after all`
`14:55.27`	`Tornhoof`	`i'm sure ppl will believe ya ;)`
`14:56.20`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=263786632&postId=2636430168&sid=1#14 <-worst explanation ever`
`14:56.24`	`Fisker-`	`I wonder who will bite`
`14:57.18`	Punkie`	`ah man, awesome reply`
`14:57.20`	Punkie`	`I knew it, FuBar must be bugged and you definitely have well over 32 million gold.`
`14:57.45`	`nevcairiel`	`no single person prolly can even have that much money, so hey :D`
`14:57.59`	`Tornhoof`	`ah i see punkie, send me some 5k over please, need some epic flying thingie`
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`14:58.17`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm.. anyone got a link to ktm 19.13? The 'beta' section of ktm on curse gives me a 404`
`14:58.42`	`deltron`	`hmm what changed with .13?`
`14:58.46`	`Fisker-`	`it's bugged anyways`
`14:58.47`	`Fisker-`	`don't get it`
`14:59.00`	`nevcairiel`	`people who play with ktm dont deserve being talked to anyway :D`
`14:59.19`	`Fisker-`	`It disables itself as soon someone starts in combat because of a lot of errors`
`14:59.19`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm, 19.12 then? I just checked and i still got 18.11 or something.. i pop it up so rarely..`
`14:59.28`	`Fisker-`	`Hey i'm only using it because my guild wants to nevcairiel`
`14:59.37`	`Azurewrath`	`it helps when you don't know the tank nev :)`
`14:59.48`	`Fisker-`	`I'm not gonna get aggro on any usual aggro-based encounters anyways`
`15:00.22`	`Adirelle\|work`	`anyone know about an addon that shows a big warning when you are whispered a given text ? (e.g. "ping")`
`15:00.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`~seen Antiarc\|Work`
`15:01.03`	`purl`	`antiarc\|work is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 85 messages. Is idling for 18h 41m 52s, last said: 'So you mash the button and get what you want :)'.`
`15:01.03`	`Azurewrath`	`prat should've a module for that Adirelle`
`15:01.03`	`Fisker-`	`damn`
`15:01.11`	Punkie`	`~mudkip`
`15:01.13`	`purl`	So, punkie` i herd you liek mudkips
`15:01.45`	`Fisker-`	am i reported yet btw Punkie`?
`15:01.55`	`Dynom`	`Fisker-: reported.`
`15:02.03`	`Fisker-`	`QQ`
`15:02.07`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`15:02.30`	`Azurewrath`	`haha :)`
`15:03.23`	Punkie`	`nah, you aren't reported =)`
`15:03.43`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=263786632&sid=1&pageNo=2`
`15:03.45`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`15:03.51`	Punkie`	`"he could be using hacks to edit the model in game to make it look like that"`
`15:04.35`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`15:04.38`	`*** join/#wowace faCe\| (n=face@pd955dcbe.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`15:04.44`	`nevcairiel`	`thats prolly it`
`15:05.15`	`nevcairiel`	`haha`
`15:05.16`	`nevcairiel`	`As a level 12 warrior with crap gear so if I get attacked by more than one mob in the barrens, I get powned I totally understand the importance vendor epics.`
`15:05.42`	`Silviu-`	`Azurewrath wait till new release .13 is bugged :)`
`15:06.17`	`Azurewrath`	`i can't access .13 atm anyway.. guess i'll get .12 :)`
`15:06.27`	`Silviu-`	`Yes better ideea :)`
`15:07.02`	Punkie`	`Fisker-: to make the thread complete you need to post a link to a picture of some ASCII art`
`15:07.09`	`Silviu-`	`http://media5.curse-gaming.com/download/8472c11df59c7e4eea7b4f4fe36a42977ed5d2fd/1174403202/47/29957/`
`15:07.12`	Punkie`	`that will be an EPIC FORUM MANOUVER`
`15:07.15`	`Fisker-`	`NO NO`
`15:07.17`	`Silviu-`	`I guess this is .13 Azurewrath`
`15:07.27`	`Fisker-`	`gonna get raped`
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`15:11.57`	`Ironhand`	`is there a way in Cartographer to add a note at the current player location without having to type its coordinates?`
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`15:13.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`has anyone gotten errors with cart_mining and small thorium nodes? mine says babble-ore has no translation for 'small thorium'`
`15:16.46`	`deltron`	`i've not mined thorium in ages`
`15:17.28`	`JoshBorke`	`Ironhand: ctrl-rightclick on your person inside the big map?`
`15:17.50`	`evl`	`I just started a priest alt, any "must-have" priest addons? :P`
`15:18.09`	`evl`	`I would really like something similar to kEnergy that ticks to show the global cooldown on spells`
`15:18.57`	`deltron`	`you don't really need any till you're 45+`
`15:19.04`	`deltron`	`just a good casting bar addon`
`15:19.28`	`art3mis`	`benecast`
`15:19.29`	`chutwig`	`chron has a really bad habit of mysteriously losing my dots`
`15:19.31`	`chutwig`	`it drives me craaaaazy`
`15:19.34`	`art3mis`	`chronometer`
`15:19.43`	`art3mis`	`a brain`
`15:19.45`	`art3mis`	`;)`
`15:19.53`	`art3mis`	`thats about it`
`15:20.06`	`art3mis`	`oh and smartbuff/debuff or grid if you like click casting`
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`15:21.01`	`deltron`	`ugh h8 sql`
`15:21.09`	`chutwig`	`sql is love`
`15:21.13`	`deltron`	`3 mins till this dist-upgrade is done`
`15:22.19`	`art3mis`	`hehe if you hate sql you'll kill yourself using oracle ;P`
`15:22.29`	`chutwig`	`oh, i hate oracle`
`15:22.31`	`chutwig`	`i learned on postgres`
`15:22.47`	`chutwig`	`so by law i am required to make the occasional disparaging comment about mysql`
`15:22.55`	`art3mis`	`hah`
`15:22.55`	`evl`	`I figured maybe the global cooldown isn't really an issue as you get used to it`
`15:22.59`	`art3mis`	`it's part of the charter`
`15:23.01`	`evl`	`this is my first caster char so :P`
`15:23.07`	`art3mis`	`kind of like qmail vs sendmail ;P`
`15:23.17`	`deltron`	`yeah i'm using oracle`
`15:23.22`	`deltron`	`I hate it so much`
`15:23.33`	`art3mis`	`oracle is uber powerful and amazing for high loads`
`15:23.49`	`art3mis`	`but dear god, back end access is the spawn of satan`
`15:23.51`	`chutwig`	`but has the worst tools in existence`
`15:23.52`	`Fisker-`	`btw`
`15:24.03`	`deltron`	`I'm using SQuirreL SQL Client`
`15:24.07`	`deltron`	`which is pretty <3`
`15:24.46`	`chutwig`	`i got turned off to GUI tools after sql server 2000`
`15:24.56`	`Dynom`	`sql client?`
`15:25.00`	`art3mis`	`squirrel is pretty`
`15:25.13`	`chutwig`	`i wanted to kill whoever decided to use ms sans serif as the font you wrote queries in`
`15:25.28`	`deltron`	`they weren't using a fixed width font?`
`15:25.31`	`chutwig`	`nope`
`15:25.33`	`deltron`	`wtf`
`15:25.38`	`chutwig`	`i wrote my queries in notepad and pasted them in`
`15:25.48`	`deltron`	`give squirrel a wihrl`
`15:25.51`	`deltron`	`whirl*`
`15:25.54`	`chutwig`	`eh, i don't need it now`
`15:25.56`	`chutwig`	`that was 2 years ago`
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`15:27.06`	`NimbleRabit`	`Hi`
`15:27.27`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`greetings!`
`15:27.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`mornin' folks`
`15:28.06`	`chutwig`	`does sorrentimers time dots?`
`15:28.40`	`Stephmw`	`deltron: shouldn't that be: "give your squirrel a whirl"? and is that like sqinging a cat?`
`15:28.43`	`Stephmw`	`*swinging`
`15:28.50`	`chutwig`	`eh i'll give it a shot when realms come back up`
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`15:29.34`	`NimbleRabit`	`chutwig, If sorrentimers isn't working you could try DoTimer. That's what I use.`
`15:29.45`	`deltron`	`lol`
`15:29.58`	`chutwig`	`NimbleRabit: chron has a bad habit of losing my dots so i want to try something else but ace options are pretty slim`
`15:30.15`	`chutwig`	`i hate seeing corruption just mysteriously fade out with 9 seconds left to go and i can still clearly see it on the boss`
`15:31.06`	`eclipse\|hm`	`chutwig, I'm pretty happy with dotimer.`
`15:31.19`	`NimbleRabit`	`dotimer isn't aced but it's a great mod nonetheless`
`15:31.35`	`eclipse\|hm`	`indeed`
`15:31.46`	`shieldb`	`does DoTimer handle rogue poisons, too?`
`15:32.39`	`chutwig`	`i'd be happier if chron were fixed`
`15:32.48`	`chutwig`	`oh well`
`15:33.51`	`eclipse\|hm`	`shieldb, only spells.`
`15:33.58`	`art3mis`	`http://cioinsight-ziffdavis-info.com/lrd0_AAav2AAA.7wB free ms and comptia study guides`
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`15:38.46`	`Health`	`In what way is chron broken?`
`15:38.52`	`NimbleRabit`	`shieldb, you mean like deadly poision? Probably although I'm not sure`
`15:39.04`	`NimbleRabit`	`shieldb, actually no it doesn't now that I think about it`
`15:39.45`	`art3mis`	`chron has a nasty habit of "missing" timers`
`15:39.46`	`shieldb`	`NimbleRabit, it'd be nice to see time left on deadly poison or any of the others that persist (wound poison, mind numbing poison, etc) so I know when to refresh the stack :)`
`15:40.00`	`art3mis`	`doesnt seem to have a target refresh option either`
`15:40.14`	`art3mis`	`and sometimes if you kill things fast the timers remain until the mob it's on is dead`
`15:40.36`	`art3mis`	`err the buff times out`
`15:40.54`	`NimbleRabit`	`shieldb, Dotimer comes with a sister mod named Notifications. You can set it up to make timers based on a notification such as "Is affected by wound poision". Slightly less accurate which is probably why it isn't done by default.`
`15:41.20`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I just noticed Aeus uses Ace addons :)`
`15:41.34`	`Health`	`Chorn gets really fucked up with 2 shadow priests in raid..`
`15:42.00`	`NimbleRabit`	`shieldb, I finally got all my macros working =D. Made a post here, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=85311335&sid=1`
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`15:44.33`	`Stephmw`	`Health: or I guess with multiple sheepers in the raid`
`15:45.20`	`Health`	`Yeah, any multiple stuff!`
`15:54.25`	`Dynom`	`pwned: http://www.uberg33k.com/albums/Funny/wtfnews.jpg`
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`15:57.02`	`GrajGza`	`hi pls where download addon skinner?`
`15:57.10`	`NimbleRabit`	`http://files.wowace.com`
`15:57.23`	`stavmar`	`NimbleRabit: hello`
`15:57.23`	`shieldb`	`GrajGza, http://files.wowace.com/Skinner/Skinner.zip I'd imagine`
`15:57.39`	`NimbleRabit`	`stavmar, Heya`
`15:58.05`	`stavmar`	`NimbleRabit: how did you solve the issue regarding the length of the Warlock macro you designed?`
`15:58.19`	`GrajGza`	`thx`
`15:58.26`	`art3mis`	`dumb question but whats the purpose of skinner?`
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`15:58.43`	`NimbleRabit`	`stavmar, some people told me to make a simple addon but I didn't really know how. I made a post in the UI forums and am waiting for a reply`
`15:58.43`	`shieldb`	`change the look of a lot of the default interface`
`15:58.49`	`NimbleRabit`	`and screw up your cartographer skin a lot`
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`15:58.55`	`shieldb`	`art3mis, additionally it can do the same sort of stuff as viewport`
`15:59.21`	`art3mis`	`oh THAT kind of skinning`
`15:59.33`	`art3mis`	`hehe i was thinking how stupid do you have to be to need a mod for the prof`
`15:59.42`	`shieldb`	`NimbleRabit, it screwed up your cartographer? are you loading the cart. skin?`
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`16:00.20`	`NimbleRabit`	`shieldb, I don't know. I just downloaded skinner, activated it, and then when I got in the game cartrographer looked odd. Parts of it were missing or something, can't remember exactly.`
`16:00.34`	`shieldb`	`yeah sounds like you didn't get it loaded right`
`16:00.36`	`art3mis`	`In 2.0.12 we will be tentatively testing 'Monk Form'. Monk Form drastically changes the priest play style, adding a real sense of 'Discipline' to the priest class. Specializing to 41 will allow the priest to focus his energies through either open-handed or staff combat, adding additional dimensions to a real World of Warcraft favorite. This is in line with the archtype, and should provide new means of survivability and offense; focusing th`
`16:00.42`	`art3mis`	`bow down to the might of the priest`
`16:00.57`	`evl`	`bow down to the might of fake patch notes!`
`16:01.01`	`art3mis`	`;)`
`16:01.18`	`shieldb`	`in skinner there's a couple folders called AddonSkins and SkinMe`
`16:01.37`	`NimbleRabit`	`shieldb, I actually didn't likw how skinner looked anyways. The gradient seemed...cheesy?`
`16:01.40`	`stavmar`	`have they released the patch notes yet for 2.0.12?`
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`16:01.55`	`shieldb`	`you basically go into the addonskins folder and move the files for addons you're running into the skinme folder (where they're actually loaded) so it properly skins stuff outside of the blizzard interface`
`16:02.09`	`shieldb`	`NimbleRabit, yeah if you don't like it, it's kind of a moot point :)`
`16:02.30`	`Fisker-`	`ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOMGGGGGGGGGGG`
`16:02.36`	`Fisker-`	`almost got 375 enchanting now`
`16:02.55`	`kenlyric`	`art3mis: is that from the onion? ;)`
`16:03.07`	`kenlyric`	`that wasn't in my fake patch notes.`
`16:04.34`	`art3mis`	`wow general forum "rumored patch notes"`
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`16:07.53`	Punkie`	`Fisker-, you almost rule now, but not quite :<`
`16:08.41`	`Fisker-`	`:(`
`16:09.26`	Punkie`	`i'm bored :(`
`16:09.50`	`Fisker-`	`yarr`
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`16:13.13`	Punkie`	`Fisker-, go make a thread called 'WoW 2.1.0 Patch Notes!' then write, 'Snape killed Dumbledore' in it`
`16:13.16`	Punkie`	`then i will be less bored`
`16:13.58`	`nevcairiel`	`rofl`
`16:14.22`	`Fisker-`	`nah`
`16:14.34`	`Fisker-`	`that would be distributing real life information or threatening people`
`16:15.03`	Punkie`	`:(`
`16:15.08`	Punkie`	`im disappointed :<`
`16:16.20`	`Fisker-`	`i don't want to be BANNED again`
`16:17.16`	`Barbanus`	`does anyone know if the healing from VE is actually holy? (like the actual heal ...)`
`16:17.29`	`Barbanus`	`SOmeone said yesterday that silent resolve effects the VE heal aggro`
`16:17.35`	`Barbanus`	`not sure if thats right or not`
`16:17.40`	`shieldb`	`that seems iffy`
`16:17.56`	`shieldb`	`afaik the spell has a school, and the spell has various effects`
`16:18.17`	`shieldb`	`you don't have a spell with a school and several effects that are different schools`
`16:18.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyone watched nihilum's Leotheras kill vid?`
`16:20.02`	`Silviu-`	`nop`
`16:21.11`	`Silviu-`	`link`
`16:21.12`	`Silviu-`	`?`
`16:23.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`err`
`16:24.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/nihilum_vs_leotheras_the_blind-v2.wmv`
`16:24.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`mirror'd`
`16:24.53`	Punkie`	`OMG: http://hollywoodforces.com/pe149.html - only 200 BUX`
`16:25.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`I was just going to ask if someone else noticed weird sound quality on it... I was constantly fiddling with my headset because I thought it was broken or something oO`
`16:25.50`	Punkie`	`I didn't know 2 LEDs and a hat costed 200 bux :o`
`16:26.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`it doesn't come with the hat, doe sit`
`16:26.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`oh, the hat is labeled with the name, so I guess it does`
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`16:28.04`	`Rainrulez`	`ULTIMATE GLITCHES`
`16:28.05`	`Rainrulez`	`http://world4.knightfight.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=96000883`
`16:28.07`	`Rainrulez`	`WOWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`16:28.51`	`Rainrulez`	`ITS ONLINE BOT :o`
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`16:31.00`	`Rainrulez`	`http://world4.knightfight.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=96000883`
`16:31.01`	`Rainrulez`	`http://world4.knightfight.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=96000883http://world4.knightfight.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=96000883`
`16:31.01`	`Rainrulez`	`http://world4.knightfight.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=96000883`
`16:31.05`	`Rainrulez`	`http://world4.knightfight.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=96000883`
`16:31.07`	`Rainrulez`	`http://world4.knightfight.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=96000883`
`16:31.13`	`Rainrulez`	`http://world4.knightfight.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=96000883`
`16:31.15`	`Rainrulez`	`http://world4.knightfight.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=96000883`
`16:31.21`	`Rainrulez`	`OWN`
`16:31.27`	`*** kick/#wowace [Rainrulez!n=kaelten@c-68-63-37-246.hsd1.al.comcast.net] by Kaelten (out)`
`16:31.41`	`Barbanus`	`thank you :P`
`16:31.44`	`Barbanus`	`wtf was that?`
`16:31.45`	`Stephmw`	`I guess it did give us 30s warning...`
`16:31.46`	`Kaelten`	`that was anoying`
`16:32.41`	`chutwig\|work`	`what a scalawag`
`16:33.17`	`Barbanus`	`is it talk like a pirate day?`
`16:34.00`	`Stephmw`	`can't be that again so soon`
`16:34.02`	Punkie`	`did anyone even click it?`
`16:34.10`	`Stephmw`	`nope`
`16:34.57`	Punkie`	`as soon as I saw knightfight I thought it was one of those 'You have been recruited to <gimp>'s army!' crap`
`16:37.12`	`Lucifear`	`moose666`
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`16:45.52`	`NimbleRabit`	`You should be able to have macros with modifiers on things already bound to other modifiers`
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`16:56.42`	`art3mis`	`Stephmw: it's always talk like a pirate day`
`16:56.54`	`art3mis`	`anyone that says otherwise is a dirty communist`
`16:57.09`	`kenlyric`	`"a dirty 'lubber"`
`16:57.27`	`art3mis`	`futurama reference ;)`
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`16:58.56`	`kenlyric`	`but it fails.`
`16:59.03`	`kenlyric`	`no communists in pirate days`
`16:59.18`	`kenlyric`	`in all things, futurama, family guy, and simpsons quotes must have context :)`
`16:59.35`	`kenlyric`	`or it dilutes their greatness.`
`17:00.29`	`art3mis`	`no`
`17:00.31`	`Elkano`	`~seen Nargiddley`
`17:01.11`	`purl`	`nargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 8h 42m 56s ago, saying: 'and having a tiny footprint'.`
`17:01.12`	`art3mis`	`thier grweatnwess is inherent`
`17:01.12`	`art3mis`	`context is for the weak`
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`17:02.22`	`art3mis`	`http://www.metacafe.com/watch/479979/get_a_new_daddy/`
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`17:03.19`	`wereHamster`	`o.O cubicool here?`
`17:03.23`	`cubicool`	`rar!`
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`17:33.15`	Punkie`	`~seen toadkiller`
`17:33.53`	`purl`	`toadkiller <n=dbester@adsl-75-35-104-19.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 31d 18h 3s ago, saying: 'original matrix?'.`
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`17:38.11`	`cncfanatics`	`yo all`
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`17:41.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://www.darklegacycomics.com/84.jpg < lol >_<`
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`17:43.37`	`NimbleRabit`	`is it possible to make a macro ignore a certain section if holding down a modifier key?`
`17:43.42`	`NimbleRabit`	`this particular section is at the top`
`17:44.09`	`shieldb`	`NimbleRabit, [nomodifier:alt] ?`
`17:44.18`	`shieldb`	`or whatever key`
`17:44.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`move it to the bottom and use [nomodifier:whatever] and /stopmacro? or something along thoselines`
`17:44.46`	`NimbleRabit`	`can't be at the bottom, but nomodifier should work thanks shield`
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`17:45.15`	`NimbleRabit`	`just to be clear`
`17:45.16`	`NimbleRabit`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:45.21`	`NimbleRabit`	`won't do anything if Alt is pressed`
`17:46.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`I guess so? :D try it ^^`
`17:47.01`	`shieldb`	`you'd need to do /focus [modifier:shift, nomodifier:alt]; [target=focus, noexists, nomodifier:alt]; [target=focus,dead,nomodifier:alt] to do it that way`
`17:47.14`	`sylvanaar`	`rofl`
`17:47.58`	`NimbleRabit`	`you sure shield?`
`17:48.00`	`shieldb`	`holding down alt would match with the third and fourth sets of conditionals in your line`
`17:48.04`	`NimbleRabit`	`wouldn't it stop after the first condition failed`
`17:48.16`	`NimbleRabit`	`no, I guess it wouldn't`
`17:48.21`	`shieldb`	`it'll keep checking conditionals until it hits the end of the line or matches one`
`17:49.00`	`NimbleRabit`	`allright thanks`
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`17:49.44`	`shieldb`	`alternatively you could have some sort of a dummy condition at the beginning to match if you're holding down alt that essentially does nothing`
`17:49.53`	`NimbleRabit`	`huh?`
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`17:50.22`	`shieldb`	`i.e. /focus [modifier:alt, target=focus]; rest of your stuff etc`
`17:50.35`	`shieldb`	`so if you're holding down alt it'll set your focus to your current focus and not change it`
`17:50.42`	`shieldb`	`that's a little easier on length`
`17:50.50`	`NimbleRabit`	`hehe your a smart one =P`
`17:52.01`	`Gagorian`	`why would you want to focus your focus? :O`
`17:52.09`	`Gagorian`	`:V`
`17:52.12`	`shieldb`	`Gagorian, the idea is that it essentially escapes that line`
`17:52.16`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=263956666&sid=1 <-i like when ommra lies`
`17:52.19`	`shieldb`	`but allows the rest of the macro to continue`
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`17:52.46`	`NimbleRabit`	`hey wait, is that [target=focus, noexists] line doing what I thought it did? I thought it would mean if my current focus didn't exist it would focus on my current target`
`17:53.20`	`sylvanaar`	`no`
`17:53.32`	`Fisker-`	`The wizard of oz event is hard?`
`17:53.38`	`shieldb`	`oz is the easiest one`
`17:53.40`	`shieldb`	`imo`
`17:54.08`	`NimbleRabit`	`sylvanaar, how do I put in something that would do that then?`
`17:54.37`	`sylvanaar`	`use the /focus commons`
`17:54.42`	`sylvanaar`	`command`
`17:54.44`	`shieldb`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=17535 has how I have my group do it fisker`
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`17:58.46`	`sylvanaar`	`i think that does /focus focus instead of /focus target, i could be wrong, just add 'target' after the condition`
`18:00.11`	`shieldb`	`NimbleRabit, just have another dummy condition that sets your focus to your focus if it exists before you set it to your target`
`18:01.28`	`sylvanaar`	`what about /focus [target=focus, noexists] target`
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`18:05.31`	`sylvanaar`	`why cant you use "/focus [target=focus, noexists] target" instead of the dummy condition? does it work`
`18:05.55`	`shieldb`	`sylvanaar, if that works, awesome`
`18:05.59`	`shieldb`	`I'm not at home so I can't check`
`18:06.06`	`kenlyric`	`I just have a button that does /focus`
`18:06.15`	`shieldb`	`but to me that sounds like the condition could never match because you can't set the target and have it not exist at the same time ;)`
`18:06.25`	`kenlyric`	`cause, if I already have a focus, why would i not want it to set a new focus?`
`18:06.41`	`NimbleRabit`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:06.50`	`NimbleRabit`	`that sounds like it would work`
`18:06.54`	`sylvanaar`	`target = sets the assumed target unit when none is specified`
`18:07.59`	`shieldb`	`so does target=focus pass the current target if no focus exists, or pass 'no unit' ?`
`18:08.10`	`kenlyric`	`no unit.`
`18:08.10`	`shieldb`	`I mean if you have no focus target set`
`18:08.14`	`sylvanaar`	`no unit`
`18:09.47`	`shieldb`	`I think [target=focus, noexists] target would work, then`
`18:10.00`	`shieldb`	`I need wow installed at work so I can test this stuff during lunch ;P`
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`18:10.07`	`sylvanaar`	`by default target=target if you note they are 2 different concepts, they should have different names like cmd_target=target`
`18:10.17`	`kenlyric`	`I guess I could scroll up and see what you are trying to do, but I'm lazy.`
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`18:10.21`	Funkeh`	`hi`
`18:10.29`	`kenlyric`	`i did write a rather extensive shackle undead macro using focus.`
`18:10.58`	`kenlyric`	`sylvanaar: they should have two char names... like FC and TA HM`
`18:11.06`	`kenlyric`	`255 char limit ftl.`
`18:12.36`	`shieldb`	`sylvanaar, although using [target=focus,exists]target is still longer then the dummy condition, so I guess it depends on if having it so you can accidentally set your focus to a friendly or not matters`
`18:13.09`	`shieldb`	`it's shorter then the dummy condition + the [harm] target part`
`18:13.39`	`NimbleRabit`	`Well I plan on somebody eventually teaching me how to get around 255 char limit`
`18:13.54`	`NimbleRabit`	`so having the most functionality possible in the macro is best, so I'm going with [harm] target`
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`18:17.11`	`kenlyric`	`i use [target=target] mostly for aesthetics, so i remember exactly what that part does.`
`18:17.55`	`kenlyric`	`but... macro logic is not human logic.`
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`18:19.15`	`kergoth`	`someday i'll comprehend half of that fancy macro stuff`
`18:19.37`	`kenlyric`	`[help,dead,nocombat] Resurrection;Renew`
`18:19.42`	`kenlyric`	`<3`
`18:19.49`	`Dynom`	`tbh, the new syntax is much more clear`
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`18:20.03`	`kenlyric`	`Kinda not hard to tell exactly what that does`
`18:20.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Dynom: yea, but i'd really like to see some sort of header or reference doc for it`
`18:20.30`	`kergoth`	`its clear, i just need a macro syntax quick reference or something`
`18:20.38`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, like knowing when "exists" is required.`
`18:20.39`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`18:20.41`	`hyperChipmunk`	`bingo kergoth`
`18:20.48`	`Kaelten`	`http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=54374`
`18:20.49`	`kenlyric`	`will my macro fail if I don't have a focus?, etc.`
`18:20.53`	`Kaelten`	`if anyone wants to join and contribute`
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`18:21.00`	`shieldb`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Macro ?`
`18:21.11`	`kenlyric`	`that's pretty basic stuff though.`
`18:21.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's mined`
`18:21.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i'd like to see something official`
`18:21.37`	`kergoth`	`i always forget the rules about spellcasting in macros... you can only cast one spell in a single button press that triggers the global cooldown right?`
`18:21.50`	`shieldb`	`right`
`18:22.08`	`hyperChipmunk`	`seems everytime I see a new macro-listing, there's a keyword i've never seen anywhere else`
`18:22.14`	`shieldb`	`and if you have a spell that fails to fire off but it would have triggered the global cooldown if it had worked, then the macro stops there`
`18:22.28`	`kergoth`	`ah interesting`
`18:22.59`	`shieldb`	`so you can't 'brute force' macro stuff anymore like the old rogue riposte / sinister strike macro`
`18:23.23`	`shieldb`	`though if you have two abilities like that where either one is fine to use you can always get around it with /castrandom riposte, sinister strike ;)`
`18:23.27`	`shieldb`	`and just spam the key`
`18:23.54`	`kergoth`	`<3 http://techcheatsheets.com/ .. someone should add a wow macro one to that site`
`18:24.23`	`kergoth`	`pfft, button mashing rogues ftl. the only time i mash is a split second before i expect the energy tick i need, to ensure there's no wasted time`
`18:24.25`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`18:24.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`not to mention /castsequences for their entire combat sequence`
`18:24.57`	`shieldb`	`hyperChipmunk, that isn't so viable because castsequence moves on to the next one as long as the ability fired off AOK`
`18:25.30`	`shieldb`	`so if I wanted to have a /castsequence sinister strike, sinister strike, sinister strike, sinister strike, sinister strike, evicerate it wouldn't do what I wanted it to if one was blocked, dodged, parried, or a miss`
`18:25.33`	`sanari_`	`i have a nice food macro i'd like to add for grinding`
`18:25.35`	`sanari_`	`really simple`
`18:25.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`you need macros for eating? :D`
`18:25.51`	`sanari_`	`hehe`
`18:25.54`	`NeoTron`	`shieldb: and that is really annoying when spells resist etc in my dot macro`
`18:25.58`	`sanari_`	`i'm lazy and i combine everything in macros`
`18:25.59`	`shieldb`	`yeah`
`18:26.00`	`kergoth`	`you know whatd be cool`
`18:26.11`	`kergoth`	`a code snippets webapp used to hold wow macros, with tagging`
`18:26.19`	`shieldb`	`cast sequence can be great, but you still have to be paying attention to react to stuff if it doesn't work ;)`
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`18:26.41`	`sanari_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:26.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`/use [nomodifier:alt] Telaari Grapes`
`18:26.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`/use Purified Draenic Water`
`18:26.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`/cast Shadowmeld`
`18:26.59`	`kenlyric`	`[target=focus, harm, nodead] Shackle Undead; <-- i've always wondered if nodead was necessary in this one.`
`18:27.03`	`sanari_`	`and i just add different of levels of food to each line, so it uses highest first`
`18:27.17`	`nymbia`	`kenlyric: it is`
`18:27.33`	`shieldb`	`kenlyric, nodead isn't needed - the spell will fail to fire if the unit is dead (as long as you don't mind the macro stopping there, anyways)`
`18:27.34`	`pastamancer`	`yeah, you can focus a corpse`
`18:27.39`	`kenlyric`	`but oddly enough, "exists" is not required.`
`18:27.56`	`kenlyric`	`if I don't have a focus at all, it'll still continue.`
`18:28.15`	`shieldb`	`ahh yeah if you wanted to use that as an omni-shackle then`
`18:28.20`	`nymbia`	`shieldb: but it'll still try to fire against the corpse, which is probably not the desired effect in a conditional macro`
`18:28.35`	`kenlyric`	`it is my omni shackle.`
`18:28.36`	`kergoth`	`on my hunter, i love a little macro that does a /petattack [target=mouseover] /focus [target=mouseover], so i can respond to an add with the pet without interrupting my attacks on the target`
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`18:28.44`	`kenlyric`	`Though, still trying to make it more omni`
`18:28.56`	`pastamancer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:29.14`	`shieldb`	`nymbia, depends on if you have a 'shackle my focus target' macro apart from your regular shackle - playstyle makes a huge difference in if a macro works or not ;)`
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`18:30.26`	`Dynom`	`the combo PriceTag and EQDKP is sweet`
`18:30.38`	`shieldb`	`I really enjoy macroing pick pocket with my cheapshot though, I don't have to farm for health pots anymore ;)`
`18:30.38`	`kergoth`	`shieldb: yes, that macro kicks ass`
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`18:30.46`	`shieldb`	`or blind powder`
`18:30.50`	`kergoth`	`have blinding powder coming out my ears too`
`18:30.52`	`kergoth`	`heh :)`
`18:31.05`	`kenlyric`	`I have an omni shackle macro, that I want to work in every single possible circumstance :)`
`18:31.07`	`pastamancer`	`http://ace.pastey.net/8737 is the shackle macro I use`
`18:31.27`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r30590 10Violation/Violation.toc:`
`18:31.27`	`CIA-11`	`Violation:`
`18:31.27`	`CIA-11`	`- Add AceLocale-2.2 to toc.`
`18:32.09`	`pastamancer`	`I have a similar macro for mind control`
`18:32.09`	`kenlyric`	`hmmm.`
`18:32.39`	`kenlyric`	`what's that do if you have a friendly as focus, or a non-undead?`
`18:32.39`	`pastamancer`	`hold down shift to reset your focus if your focus isn't dead yet, otherwise shackle your focus`
`18:32.50`	`pastamancer`	`it'll focus them`
`18:32.59`	`NeoTron`	`I need to sit down to make some nice fear/banish/seduction/spell lock/etc macros`
`18:33.00`	`pastamancer`	`if your focus isn't set`
`18:33.26`	`pastamancer`	`I usually /focus my shackle target before the pull`
`18:33.39`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, so do I.`
`18:33.46`	`pastamancer`	`and then target the kill target`
`18:34.14`	`kenlyric`	`my target changes a lot during combat. Need more mouse buttons.`
`18:34.46`	`kenlyric`	`so if you target another harm, it won't shackle that one.`
`18:34.53`	`NeoTron`	`I am considering setting up all these macros etc on the G-keys on my G15`
`18:34.58`	`NeoTron`	`just to get them out of the way`
`18:35.01`	`pastamancer`	`as long as you have a focus set, yes`
`18:35.05`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Man, 300 has done a lot for our guild turnover rate.`
`18:35.09`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`* Erle has joined the guild.`
`18:35.11`	`pastamancer`	`and as long as you don't have shift held down`
`18:35.16`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`[Guild] [Cinara] THIS IS SPARTA!`
`18:35.24`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`* Erle has been kicked out of the guild by Cinara.`
`18:36.06`	`ckknight`	`lol, Antiarc\|Work`
`18:37.48`	`kenlyric`	`http://ace.pastey.net/8738 this is mine, but I like your implementation better.`
`18:38.47`	`pastamancer`	`yeah, I had a pretty ugly macro before I found out about /clearfocus`
`18:39.07`	`kenlyric`	`that would keep me from having to set my focus before the fight anyway.`
`18:39.40`	`kenlyric`	`my biggest problem was where my add would die, and then for whatever reason I'd want to shackle something else.`
`18:39.42`	`pastamancer`	`to be honest, I usually just hit my shackle button while out of range to set the focus before pulls and then go target somethign else`
`18:39.51`	`kenlyric`	`that's why the mouseover condition is in there.`
`18:40.08`	`kenlyric`	`and I also wanted it to work for solo when I didn't really need to set a focus`
`18:40.24`	`kenlyric`	`or, if I'm in a group where I don't ever want my focus to change, like those rare occasions when I care about a pet.`
`18:40.42`	`pastamancer`	`oh, holy priest then?`
`18:40.51`	`kenlyric`	`yeah.`
`18:41.10`	`pastamancer`	`ah, my focus is always whatever I'm CCing`
`18:41.37`	`pastamancer`	`and my target is whatever needs to die`
`18:41.38`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, mine too... I'm trying to predict all possible uses of shackle :)`
`18:41.43`	`kenlyric`	`omni shackle.`
`18:41.54`	`CIA-11`	`03ominous * r30591 10OminousCastingBar/Core.lua: OminousCastingBar: drycoded fix for timing problems`
`18:42.07`	`kenlyric`	`of course, have [target=luckycharm] would eas the process quite a bit.`
`18:42.10`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r30592 10Manufac/ (9 files):`
`18:42.10`	`CIA-11`	`Manufac:`
`18:42.10`	`CIA-11`	`- Bugfix.`
`18:42.10`	`CIA-11`	`- More module support in the core.`
`18:42.10`	`CIA-11`	`- A bit of misc cleanup in the core.`
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`18:42.21`	`boobies4u`	`just a rolling restart maintainance today on EU realms?`
`18:42.23`	`boobies4u`	`anyone know?`
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`18:42.52`	`hyperChipmunk`	`wasn't on US`
`18:43.21`	`Daemona`	`hrm is there a way to find out which addon created a certain table?`
`18:43.34`	`Archarodim`	`Hi can someone help me with texture:SetTexture() ?`
`18:44.22`	`shieldb`	`http://ace.pastey.net/8740 is the CC macro I kicked out for some of our folks`
`18:44.24`	`Archarodim`	`it won't work with some textures (the one I've made of course) and I don't understand why....`
`18:44.55`	`Archarodim`	`I'm becomming crazy`
`18:45.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`who messed up my Gas Extraction code in talismonger for deDE? it doesn't work in english anymore`
`18:46.26`	`kenlyric`	`I don't get what [harm] target does in that macro.`
`18:46.48`	`[dRaCo]`	`it doesn't focus friendly targets`
`18:46.52`	`kenlyric`	`and doesn't the first part set a focus only if you have a focus set?`
`18:46.56`	`shieldb`	`prevents you from setting your focus to a friendly target for CC in the event that you don't have a focus`
`18:47.08`	`shieldb`	`kenlyric, yep`
`18:47.09`	`kenlyric`	`maybe I don't understand what ";" is for :)`
`18:47.21`	`shieldb`	`the idea is that if you have a focus set, it bypasses that line`
`18:47.31`	`shieldb`	`if you don't have a focus set it only sets it if you have a hostile target`
`18:47.38`	`shieldb`	`then the rest of the macro targets the focus unit`
`18:48.07`	`shieldb`	`so that would only really work for you if you always wanted to have the focus target as your CC target`
`18:48.42`	`kenlyric`	`ow, my brain`
`18:49.23`	`kenlyric`	`so, I'm guessing I just completely misunderstand what ";" is for.`
`18:49.36`	`shieldb`	`a semicolon allows you to have another set of conditionals`
`18:50.16`	`shieldb`	`so you can have /cast [condition1] SpellIfCondition1; [condition2] SpellIfCondition2; SpellIfNot1or2`
`18:50.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`OR`
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`18:50.56`	`kenlyric`	`ok, brain waorking again.`
`18:51.06`	`kenlyric`	`fingers are now broken, though.`
`18:51.23`	`hyperChipmunk`	`just replace ';' with 'or' and you're pretty much set`
`18:51.53`	`kenlyric`	`though in most cases, i want the icon set before I shackle :)`
`18:51.54`	`shieldb`	`hyperChipmunk, isn't 'esleif" a better analogy?`
`18:52.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`well, in the lua sense`
`18:52.35`	`cncfanatics`	`Fisker-, ping`
`18:52.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's /caste condition1 and SpellIfCondition1 or condition2 and SpellIfCondition2 or SpellIfNot1or2`
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`18:53.30`	`Dynom`	`well, actually the '; [conditionX]' is the or`
`18:53.36`	`Dynom`	`so yes, it's more an else if`
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`18:54.13`	`Dynom`	`but then again, they don't exclude eachother or do they`
`18:54.26`	`Vaxum`	`@Antiarc, very nice use of the Armory`
`18:54.29`	`kenlyric`	`is there a check smarter than nogroup?`
`18:54.38`	`Cryect`	`whats antiarc come up with now?`
`18:54.57`	`Fisker-`	`cncfanatics pong`
`18:55.13`	`Fisker-`	`hohoho`
`18:55.20`	`Vaxum`	`The reputation & guildstats export-to-html were good, but the "who's keyed for what" page is pure brilliance`
`18:55.25`	`Fisker-`	`nice name for a casting bar addon Ominous`
`18:55.43`	`Ominous`	`Fisker: :)`
`18:56.00`	`kenlyric`	`ooh! I want a who's keyed for what page!`
`18:56.06`	`Cryect`	`Oh did he do one also I like the The Pals For Life one`
`18:56.19`	`Vaxum`	`e.g. see http://wow.tachyonsix.com/armory/heroics_out/spirestone-void-70.html`
`18:56.30`	`cncfanatics`	`Fisker-, started using rtorrent, anything special to do to make it go faster ?`
`18:56.33`	`Cryect`	`I think I prefer the pals of life one :-p`
`18:56.37`	`Vaxum`	`I had a question for him though - is "Violet Eye" who is keyed for Karazan?`
`18:56.39`	`Cryect`	`example http://www.thepalsforlife.com/ftp/ArmoryParse/default.aspx?server=Stormreaver&guild=Impervious`
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`18:57.32`	`Cryect`	`His does look nicer but just doesn't have that ring to it of the Pals for Life one`
`18:57.32`	`Fisker-`	`dunno cncfanatics :P`
`18:57.52`	`Dynom`	`so basically even more stress on the armory`
`18:57.52`	`kenlyric`	`i believe there's a finite amount of rep you can get with violet eye before you enter karazhan`
`18:57.52`	`Cryect`	`correct`
`18:57.59`	`Cryect`	`to get keyed for violet eye you have to have at least a certain amoun tof rep`
`18:58.05`	`Vaxum`	`Lol @ Pals4Life's way of saying "Not Keyed"`
`18:58.06`	`Cryect`	`and you can only get that rep doing the questline`
`18:58.15`	`Vaxum`	`Gives me a "Server Error in '/ftp/ArmoryParse' Application." :(`
`18:58.35`	`cncfanatics`	`Fisker-, I must say, its already going quite fast, but :p`
`18:58.37`	`cncfanatics`	`always room for more`
`18:59.15`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Vaxum: Glad you like it`
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`20:52.29`	`*** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com \| http://www.wowace.com/files \| http://ace.pastey.net \| http://www.lua.org \| WAU 1.7-final http://sf.net/projects/wowaceupdater. \| You gotta break some lions to make an omlet`
`20:54.34`	`nymbia`	Funkeh`: its more 'making him realize he can't code' than 'giving advice' ;)
`20:54.51`	Funkeh`	`but we already know that! :p`
`20:55.04`	`Industrial`	`Ominous: I'm going to make a thread about it`
`20:55.48`	`Fisker-`	`hmm`
`20:55.53`	`Fisker-`	`~seen gragorian`
`20:56.25`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'gragorian', Fisker-`
`20:56.25`	`nymbia`	Funkeh`: well his users dont ;)
`20:56.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`~seen Gagorian`
`20:56.58`	`purl`	`gagorian is currently on #wowace, last said: ':V'.`
`20:56.58`	`Fisker-`	`ah yes`
`20:59.51`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r30599 10Stitch-1.1/ (Stitch-1.0/ Stitch-1.0.toc Stitch-1.1/ Stitch-1.1.toc):`
`20:59.51`	`CIA-11`	`Stitch-1.1:`
`20:59.51`	`CIA-11`	`- Rename stuff`
`21:01.21`	`Industrial`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5330.new#new`
`21:01.21`	`Industrial`	`</rant>`
`21:01.30`	`Industrial`	`'kin sliders :\|`
`21:01.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Slider? I hardly know her..`
`21:02.28`	`nymbia`	`rofl`
`21:03.08`	`nymbia`	`Industrial: it'd likely be kinda arduous to change in dewdrop, but probably pretty easily doable in waterfal`
`21:03.19`	`Industrial`	`yeah thats what im hoping for nymbia`
`21:03.20`	`nymbia`	`s/waterfal/waterfall/`
`21:03.24`	`Fisker-`	`Gagorian :o`
`21:03.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`rofl that was awesome, i had Curse of Shadows AND Curse of Agony up on Blackheart the Inciter`
`21:03.56`	`Industrial`	`i still wanted to get my feelings out there so i just posted it with the lasted bit :>`
`21:04.00`	`Industrial`	`last..`
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`21:12.58`	`Fisker-`	`I was _MAIN HEALER_ on gruul`
`21:13.00`	`Fisker-`	`err`
`21:13.02`	`Fisker-`	`maulgar`
`21:13.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`You're the man now.`
`21:15.25`	`Fisker-`	`yes`
`21:16.22`	`ckknight`	`dogg`
`21:17.36`	`sbu`	`uhm and... wipe?`
`21:17.50`	`Fisker-`	`ckknight`
`21:18.05`	`ckknight`	`Fisker-`
`21:18.11`	`Fisker-`	`you know why i keep joining some "acecomezonexxxx" channel?`
`21:19.10`	`ckknight`	`because some addon is registering with it`
`21:19.13`	`nymbia`	~blame Funkeh`
`21:19.20`	`purl`	ACTION blames Funkeh` (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
`21:19.36`	Funkeh`	`bad gnome`
`21:19.52`	`nymbia`	`:(`
`21:20.15`	`nymbia`	`score`
`21:20.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`s/a c/a a c/`
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`21:35.26`	`chuckg`	`http://chuckg.org/wow/fraps/hydross.php`
`21:35.31`	`chuckg`	`Watch the chronometer bars disappear.`
`21:35.38`	`chuckg`	`Even though the dots remain on the target.`
`21:35.47`	`Fisker-`	`so nothing to do other than QQ ckknight?`
`21:36.20`	`ckknight`	`Fisker-: find the addon that uses it.`
`21:36.49`	`ckknight`	`you know, perhaps an /acecomm slash command could be useful`
`21:36.58`	`ckknight`	`to check what's currently registered and how much bandwidth`
`21:37.29`	`knarf-`	`chuckg whats the thing on your right with the icons and numbers?`
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`21:37.42`	`chuckg`	`EavesDrop.`
`21:38.35`	`knarf-`	`hmm I shoulder check that :P`
`21:38.46`	`knarf-`	`is your raid frames grid?`
`21:38.50`	`chuckg`	`Yes.`
`21:38.55`	`knarf-`	`custom layout?`
`21:38.59`	`chuckg`	`I just don't understand why chronometer is dropping stuff.`
`21:39.05`	`chuckg`	`Not really, just highly customized.`
`21:40.09`	`pastamancer`	`oh, that's an intersting setup for grid. I assume you have it locked so you can click-through the blank spaces?`
`21:40.33`	`knarf-`	`at first glance`
`21:40.38`	`knarf-`	`I liked it too`
`21:40.58`	`knarf-`	`dn o if I can use it on my priest trhough :p`
`21:41.00`	`knarf-`	`though*`
`21:41.02`	`chuckg`	`Yes Pasta.`
`21:41.13`	`chuckg`	`I wouldn't use that setup on my healer.`
`21:41.17`	`CIA-11`	`03trh * r30600 10VanasKoS/modules/Synchronizer.lua: VanasKoS: removed some debugging stuff`
`21:41.18`	`chuckg`	`It's perfect for dps though.`
`21:42.31`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/armory/sig.php?realm=Cenarion+Circle&char=Adrine&bgcolor1=000066&bgcolor2=333399`
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`21:42.32`	`knarf-`	`chuckg what would you use on your healer then ? :D`
`21:42.32`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`grin`
`21:42.42`	`sbu`	`meeeeeh`
`21:42.44`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Again, please don't spread that link around yet.`
`21:42.47`	`sbu`	`sethekk heroic is annoying`
`21:43.08`	`chuckg`	`A different setup.`
`21:43.10`	`chuckg`	`Of the same thing.`
`21:43.11`	`chuckg`	`=D`
`21:43.16`	`chuckg`	`But..`
`21:43.20`	`chuckg`	`Any ideas about chronometer? :(`
`21:43.27`	`chuckg`	`I assume it's the code that watches dot ticks.`
`21:43.29`	`chuckg`	`But I don't know.`
`21:43.51`	`CIA-11`	`03ominous * r30601 10FuBar_WarlockTimerFu/ (Bars/Misc.lua Core.lua): FuBar_WarlockTimerFu: Fixed seduction`
`21:44.08`	`chuckg`	`Ominous, are you on?`
`21:44.19`	`Ominous`	`on what?`
`21:44.22`	`chuckg`	`Here :)`
`21:44.26`	`Ominous`	`yea`
`21:44.30`	`chuckg`	`Do you know why corruption has a 30 second timer?`
`21:44.53`	`MoonWolf`	`because it lasts 30 seconds ?`
`21:44.57`	`chuckg`	`...it doesn't.`
`21:45.16`	`chuckg`	`It's 18 seconds, or 21 if you have 4pc tier4.`
`21:46.16`	`Ominous`	`no, the code is there to stop it`
`21:46.40`	`chuckg`	`?`
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`21:47.11`	`Ominous`	`i dont know why it is going over 18 secs`
`21:48.38`	`Ominous`	`could you do some debugging for me?`
`21:49.42`	`CIA-11`	`03ag * r30602 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_GroupClass.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua): ag_UnitFrames: Fix errors on profile change`
`21:50.31`	`ckknight`	`I still need a name for a UF...`
`21:50.41`	`chuckg`	`In a few minutes.`
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`21:50.47`	`chuckg`	`I'm doing arena, when I'm out I'd be happy to.`
`21:50.50`	`chuckg`	`Will you be around a while?`
`21:50.54`	`Ominous`	`yea`
`21:51.01`	`Ominous`	`give me a shout when you can`
`21:51.14`	`knarf-`	`chuckg happen to have a setup of grid laying around I could check out for healing? :P`
`21:51.40`	`chuckg`	`Nope.`
`21:51.41`	`chuckg`	`:)`
`21:51.45`	`knarf-`	`Darn it`
`21:51.47`	`knarf-`	`:P`
`21:52.52`	`CIA-11`	`03kemayo * r30603 10FuBar_SpeedFu/SpeedFu.lua: FuBar_SpeedFu: Add missing rate for Exodar.`
`21:53.49`	`stavmar`	`Ominous: I can help debug if you wnat, I just don't know how helpful i can be?`
`21:54.36`	`Ominous`	`change line 191 to self:Print("1"..tostring(record.ma) .. "/"..duration) if record.ma and duration > record.ma then self:Print("2"..record.ma) duration = record.ma self:Print("3"..duration) end and then tell me what the results are when you cast corruption`
`21:54.43`	`Ominous`	`in Ruleset.lua`
`21:56.40`	`Bruners`	`Nightbane is a pane in the ass`
`21:57.28`	`Phatrik`	`Nightbane is easymode after the hotfixes`
`21:57.33`	`CIA-11`	`03ag * r30604 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_UnitFrames.lua ag_Variables.lua): ag_UnitFrames: Use RAID_CLASS_COLOR table instead`
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`22:01.36`	`stavmar`	`chuckg: in your UI what casting bar mod are you using?`
`22:01.42`	`chuckg`	`ocb.`
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`22:03.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`you ever notice how chronometer will display the imp shadowbolt debuff timer when a shadow priest starts stacking on shadow weaving`
`22:03.22`	*** part/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com)
`22:05.05`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r30605 10BigWigs/Outland/Magtheridon.lua:`
`22:05.05`	`CIA-11`	`BigWigs: Outland/Magtheridon:`
`22:05.05`	`CIA-11`	`- update deDE`
`22:05.05`	`CIA-11`	`- add first blast nova bar`
`22:05.33`	`chuckg`	`Yes, it's because the debuff is the same name.`
`22:05.39`	`chuckg`	`I just really need to figure out why it's dropping timers.`
`22:05.50`	`vhaarr`	`Could someone please insult this guy further: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1622.msg89394#msg89394`
`22:05.51`	`chuckg`	`Or have someone smarter than me figure it out.`
`22:09.22`	vid`	`ruh roh autobar errors`
`22:09.41`	`TecnoBrat`	`vhaarr, done`
`22:09.49`	`vhaarr`	`lol`
`22:10.17`	`TecnoBrat`	`I'm surprised you didnt think of that one actually`
`22:10.32`	`shieldb`	`anyone know about how fast gruul swings for his normal melee?`
`22:10.53`	`vhaarr`	`ye, I'm kind of sleepy atm`
`22:11.05`	vid`	`OMG yes`
`22:11.11`	vid`	`the squares around autobar icons aer gone`
`22:11.13`	vid`	`with cycircled`
`22:11.16`	vid`	`finally after 2 months`
`22:11.20`	vid`	`lol`
`22:11.20`	`TecnoBrat`	`LOL`
`22:11.23`	vid`	`happy happy`
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`22:18.29`	`Gothtar`	`GRAR! I still cant set textures in eePanels!`
`22:18.36`	`Ominous`	`chuckg:ping`
`22:18.50`	`chuckg`	`What's up?`
`22:19.10`	vid`	`hmm`
`22:19.10`	vid`	`lol`
`22:19.12`	`Ominous`	`what version of WTF hve u got`
`22:19.16`	vid`	`all my names are missing in aguf!`
`22:19.17`	vid`	`noo`
`22:19.18`	vid`	`:(`
`22:19.26`	`chuckg`	`I haven't used it since it started doing 30s timers.`
`22:19.35`	`Ominous`	`well atm it is working`
`22:19.44`	`chuckg`	`But nothing has changed programmatically, or did, when it started doing so.`
`22:19.51`	`chuckg`	`I'll tel when I'm done w/ arena! :)`
`22:19.57`	`chuckg`	`Test..`
`22:20.14`	`Ominous`	`what client are you on`
`22:20.21`	`chuckg`	`enUS.`
`22:22.15`	vid`	`[2007/03/20 18:17:47-506-x1]: ag_UnitFrames-05-01-07.30604\ag_WatchdogTags.lua:8: attempt to index field 'RaidColors' (a nil value)`
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`22:23.38`	vid`	`man cant see any names`
`22:23.39`	vid`	`lol`
`22:23.41`	vid`	`im gettin owned`
`22:24.23`	vid`	`goin back a ver ^_^`
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`22:29.44`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Could I have you all give http://wow.tachyonsix.com/armory/create_sig.php a go?`
`22:29.52`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`The image links are Coralized, so you MAY use them! :)`
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`22:30.47`	`sbu`	`us only?`
`22:30.51`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Oh, right`
`22:30.55`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Lemme add an EU switch`
`22:32.40`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`There you go, give it a go.`
`22:32.54`	`nymbia`	`Antiarc\|Work: nice`
`22:33.15`	`nymbia`	`Antiarc\|Work: ice damage and ice crit dont work. but other than that.. nice :D`
`22:33.28`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Oh, lemme check those`
`22:33.37`	`vhaarr`	`Antiarc\|Work: sweet`
`22:33.41`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Fixed.`
`22:33.45`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`I was using "ice" rather than "frost" >_>`
`22:34.01`	`stavmar`	`Antiarc\|Work: it i snot reflecting my true shadow damage but only my spell damage per the armory page`
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`22:35.07`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`What's the difference?`
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`22:35.09`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`(I play melee)`
`22:35.15`	`CIA-11`	`03toadkiller * r30606 10AutoBar/AutoBarSearch.lua:`
`22:35.15`	`CIA-11`	`AutoBar:`
`22:35.15`	`CIA-11`	`-Apply Xiatre's fix for crash in bad category.`
`22:35.17`	`krunk-`	`anyone here use roguetimerfu?`
`22:36.38`	`stavmar`	`Antiarc\|Work: for a warlock we carry gear that might only add to shadow damage over spell damage, your list does not indicate spell damage as a choice but does indicate shadow damage`
`22:36.50`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`So it should be spell + shadow damage?`
`22:36.53`	`krunk-`	`it's been broken for me for quite a while...was wondering if anyone knew of a good stun timer`
`22:36.57`	`stavmar`	`correct`
`22:37.01`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Ok, lemme look that up.`
`22:37.05`	`rubik`	`Antiarc\|Work: Fatal error: Call to undefined function logReferer() in /var/www/html/tachyonsix/public_html/wow/armory/create_sig.php on line 12`
`22:37.46`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Oops! Fixed.`
`22:38.28`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`stavmar: What's your realm/character name, and expected shadow and total damage?`
`22:38.32`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`(Need to look this up in the armory)`
`22:38.59`	`stavmar`	`feel free the only stavmar in teh game at the moment`
`22:39.05`	`sbu`	`Antiarc\|Work: WTB battlegroup names for EU :o`
`22:39.45`	`chuckg`	`Should be one battlegroup: Worldfirst.`
`22:40.05`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`22:40.07`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`sbu: They're different for EU? I never checked.`
`22:41.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Antiarc\|Work: for Defense, you only seem to list "base" defense, not any bonuses from gear.`
`22:41.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`eg for: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hakkar&n=Annia note that I have 485 defense, but your script only grabs the base 362`
`22:41.52`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, I noticed it doing something like that. I need to correct for it.`
`22:43.38`	ag`	Funkeh`: I fixed your profile thing.
`22:43.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc\|Work: i dont see spell hit on that list`
`22:45.08`	Funkeh`	ag`: gogo! :P
`22:45.35`	`ckknight`	`I thought of a name`
`22:45.38`	`ckknight`	`SoulUF`
`22:45.44`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Arrowmaster: Thanks, I'll include it.`
`22:45.50`	`ckknight`	`or just Soul`
`22:45.51`	`ckknight`	`or something`
`22:45.59`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`NightHawkTheSane: Defense fixed.`
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`22:46.36`	`ckknight`	`or Identity`
`22:46.36`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Spell hit added.`
`22:46.40`	`sbu`	`hmmmmmmm wonder if it is possible (well, when blizzard managed to fix their armory arena display) to extend ArenaMastere to use gathered armory data`
`22:46.41`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Shadow and Holy damage numbers fixed.`
`22:46.54`	`sbu`	`so you see 1 team member -> displays possible other members + weaknesses`
`22:46.56`	`sbu`	`;o`
`22:47.24`	`sbu`	`(warri spec, pala spec, priest spec, max HP, ...)`
`22:47.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc\|Work: shadow damage is showing the correct number but shadow crit is showing 0`
`22:47.55`	`Klazar`	`just updated my addon folder and AutoBar not working. getting 2007/03/20 18:44:40-471-x1]: AutoBar-2.00.00.31 beta\AutoBarSearch.lua:188: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)`
`22:48.50`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Hm, ok. Path's right, lemme figure out what's up.`
`22:48.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc\|Work: and why does spell pen have a "." after it while the others dont`
`22:49.21`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Because it's abbreviated.`
`22:49.27`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Missing a slash in the paths - spell crits work now.`
`22:49.42`	`CIA-11`	`03ckknight * r30607 10TabletLib/Tablet-2.0/Tablet-2.0.lua: .Tablet-2.0 - make sure that getTestWidth works`
`22:49.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`crit is abbreviated isnt it?`
`22:49.59`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Eh, I guess so. "Crit" is common usage though`
`22:50.15`	`Klazar`	`wow an update already that was fast...`
`22:50.31`	`Klazar`	`let me reload the UI see what happens`
`22:50.32`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r30608 10BigWigs/Karazhan/ (Maiden.lua Netherspite.lua): BigWigs: Karazhan: frFR update`
`22:51.04`	`stavmar`	`Antiarc\|Work: what about a selection for just spell damage as a whole.`
`22:52.08`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Hm. Guess I could do that. It'd take so doing though, since there isn't just a spell damage in the XML - it'd just be the lowest of all your spell damages.`
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`22:52.18`	`Klazar`	`kewl fixed it nj`
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`22:56.17`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Spell damage is in.`
`22:58.07`	`CIA-11`	`03athou * r30609 10ArenaMaster/Core.lua:`
`22:58.07`	`CIA-11`	`ArenaMaster:`
`22:58.07`	`CIA-11`	`- The size of the frame is now always 5, no more in-combat detection problem`
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`23:00.28`	`Klazar`	`getting a ton of errors in unit frames will in BG`
`23:00.36`	`abyssichate`	`Me too`
`23:00.48`	`abyssichate`	`I think ag_uf broke with r30604 :s`
`23:01.07`	`Gothtar`	`seems to be working for me`
`23:02.30`	`Gothtar`	`of course, im sitting at the in in goldshire with a level 6 tearing my hair out just trying to get eePanels to work`
`23:04.22`	`abyssichate`	`http://ace.pastey.net/8751 - that is what I am getting with ag_unitframes at the moment`
`23:06.04`	`CIA-11`	`03ag * r30610 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_WatchdogTags.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Use RAID_CLASS_COLOR table instead (part II)`
`23:07.09`	`CIA-11`	`03arrowmaster * r30611 10ImprovedRWF/Core.lua: ImprovedRWF: quick fix for new nonglobal BigWigsBossBlock`
`23:12.23`	`Klazar`	`sorry announced and left wa in WG yea that report from CIA is what i was getting`
`23:14.14`	`Klazar`	`how longs it take to migrate to teh files folder`
`23:14.15`	`nymbia`	`20 mins tops`
`23:14.15`	`Klazar`	`kkk thnx`
`23:21.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	ag`: you busted aguf
`23:22.17`	`nevcairiel`	`again?`
`23:22.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`[2007/03/20 19:21:18-1631-x1]: ag_UnitFrames-05-01-07.30604\ag_UnitFrames.lua:542: bad argument #6 to 'format' (string expected, got table)`
`23:23.37`	`ckknight`	`you know what'd be a funny addon name?`
`23:23.41`	`ckknight`	`BodyBag`
`23:23.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ehe`
`23:23.48`	`ckknight`	`perhaps I'll use that as my UF name`
`23:23.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i was gonna do FuBar_ChewManFu`
`23:24.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`for eating/drinking`
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`23:26.29`	`RaydenUni`	`so what's with aguf throwing errors everytime i get aggro or try to change a setting?`
`23:27.46`	`*** join/#wowace Chompers (n=Chomp@cpc1-cove7-0-0-cust955.brhm.cable.ntl.com)`
`23:27.52`	`ckknight`	`also, my aguf is fucked for raid frames`
`23:28.02`	`ckknight`	`only showing group 2`
`23:28.06`	`ckknight`	`I'm not even in group 2`
`23:28.24`	`Nickenyfiken`	`anyone know what "Internal mail database error" means?`
`23:28.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`lol`
`23:28.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`It means there was an error with the internal mail database.`
`23:28.41`	`Chompers`	`do you prefer aguf over s_rf for raid frames ck?`
`23:28.55`	`ckknight`	`Chompers: I want to make my own UF`
`23:28.59`	`ckknight`	`BodyBag!`
`23:28.59`	`Nickenyfiken`	`yeah but more specific? Did i lose some mail or what?`
`23:29.06`	`Nickenyfiken`	`ckknight: do it! :-)`
`23:29.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Nickenyfiken: probably not`
`23:29.10`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no`
`23:29.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`just send it again`
`23:29.21`	`ckknight`	`Nickenyfiken: that's the plan, sometime today, once the BGs become less frequent`
`23:29.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Nickenyfiken: as far as I've seen that only occurs if you attempt to loot things from your mailbox too rapidly, and the sever gets confused`
`23:29.26`	`Nickenyfiken`	`i got the error when a mail was returned from an alt`
`23:29.46`	`Nickenyfiken`	`NightHawkTheSane: ok i see`
`23:29.49`	`Nickenyfiken`	`ckknight: ok :-)`
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`23:30.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`That's just my observations though, so`
`23:31.43`	`shieldb`	`woo`
`23:31.50`	`shieldb`	`castlevania: sotn on xbla tonight`
`23:32.10`	`RaydenUni`	`yep aguf is screwed up right now`
`23:32.12`	`RaydenUni`	`too bad`
`23:32.13`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`xbla?`
`23:32.15`	`RaydenUni`	`makes it hard to do anything`
`23:32.16`	`CIA-11`	`03archarodim * r30612 10Decursive/ (16 files):`
`23:32.16`	`CIA-11`	`Decursive:`
`23:32.16`	`CIA-11`	`- Added basic integration in FuBar (will be developed later)`
`23:32.16`	`CIA-11`	`- Some code clean-up and comments`
`23:32.34`	`shieldb`	`NightHawkTheSane, xbox live arcade`
`23:32.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ah...`
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`23:32.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I'll pretend I know what that is. :D`
`23:33.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`On a related note, damn, I should play sotn again.`
`23:33.22`	`CIA-11`	`03fenlis * r30613 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: Added tailoring subtype`
`23:34.09`	`shieldb`	`NightHawkTheSane, basically if you have a 360 you can pay to download games (they're usually on the order of $5-8 for a game) and sotn is becoming available tonight`
`23:34.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ah. neat`
`23:34.24`	`OverloadUT`	`Whoa whathakjthksdfisudhfdslkihfisduohf`
`23:34.25`	`OverloadUT`	`What?`
`23:34.31`	`OverloadUT`	`Did someone say sotn is available tonight? :P`
`23:34.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`lol`
`23:34.41`	`shieldb`	`that's the word on the street`
`23:34.44`	`shieldb`	`midnight tonight, yeah`
`23:34.50`	`shieldb`	`I keep weird hours so it sounds good to me ;)`
`23:34.52`	`OverloadUT`	`Zugga wugga maybe I won't stay at work late after all`
`23:35.04`	`OverloadUT`	`Oh, midnight. No sex for me tonight then.,`
`23:35.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`psh. it's sotn. thats a fair price to pay`
`23:35.27`	`OverloadUT`	`I've never played it. Or any castlevania game...`
`23:35.35`	`Gothtar`	`is Fubar screwing up for anyone else? I get one click in, then I can't click it until I reload, this happening for anyone else?`
`23:35.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`sotn was SO well done.`
`23:35.57`	`OverloadUT`	`But lately I've been feeling like I am a horrible gamer for not playing them. And people told me that sotn would be a fantastic one to start with so I've been waiting for it to hit XBL`
`23:36.14`	`ckknight`	`Gothtar: no`
`23:36.35`	`Gothtar`	`well, I guess it's just me then, Ill have to disable some addons`
`23:36.38`	`break19`	`Kaelten: ping`
`23:38.18`	`break19`	`http://ace.pastey.net/8752 <- KCI2 or EQCompare causing this?`
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`23:46.42`	`toko123`	`please hone my request vote for Ellen Reavey http://www.wvia.org/education/AoW06-07/index.shtml`
`23:47.01`	`Ordog`	`is there a wy to enable bigwigs modules manually`
`23:47.02`	`Ordog`	`?`
`23:47.07`	`Ordog`	`maiden mod didnt enable`
`23:47.10`	`toko123`	`losts at district level as soph top 4 in state as sr.`
`23:47.30`	`toko123`	`proud father requests your help vote plaease`
`23:48.59`	`Arilaw`	`...`
`23:49.24`	`Bleeter`	`all you've prolly done is managed to agitate some geeks into voting against /shrug`
`23:50.04`	`Arilaw`	`Bothering random strangers to vote on that kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?`
`23:50.07`	`*** kick/#wowace [toko123!n=staharaj@d14-69-214-77.try.wideopenwest.com] by hyperChipmunk (thank you, but no soliciting)`
`23:51.14`	`Arilaw`	`Some people just don't need to breed.`
`23:51.32`	`Gothtar`	`no thats a little mean`
`23:51.36`	`yacoob`	`but still, they can!`
`23:51.46`	`CIA-11`	`03ag * r30614 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_UnitFrames.lua ag_WatchdogTags.lua): ag_UnitFrames: Error fix`
`23:51.48`	`Gothtar`	`I'm sure he means well, he just isn't in the right room`
`23:51.54`	`CIA-11`	`03chinkuwaila * r30615 10BigWigs/Karazhan/Nightbane.lua:`
`23:51.54`	`CIA-11`	`BigWigs:`
`23:51.54`	`CIA-11`	`Karazhan/Nightbane.lua - updated deDE locals`
`23:52.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`23:52.16`	`yacoob`	`...wait, was it o or e? :))`
`23:52.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's why i did the /kick nicely before someone like ckknight got to him =x`
`23:52.28`	`yacoob`	`Oh, btw, Backus is dead.`
`23:52.35`	`ckknight`	`hrm?`
`23:52.35`	`kergoth`	`i was itching to /kb`
`23:52.44`	`ckknight`	`yacoob: but EBNF lives on!`
`23:52.48`	`RaydenUni`	`why doesn't WAU see the latest revision?`
`23:52.55`	`RaydenUni`	`its stuck on 30610 for aguf`
`23:53.04`	ag`	`because WAU isn't SVN`
`23:53.18`	`RaydenUni`	`i thought it grabbed from the svn`
`23:53.19`	`stavmar`	`why is after everything i craft, food, or bandage, there is a slight pause before going t the next item?`
`23:53.41`	ag`	`WAU grabs zip files created by a script`
`23:53.42`	`RaydenUni`	`where does WAU grab from then?`
`23:53.44`	`RaydenUni`	`oh`
`23:53.45`	ag`	`that script reads from the SVN`
`23:53.55`	`RaydenUni`	`how often does script run?`
`23:53.55`	ag`	`but if the script didn't run yet`
`23:54.14`	`ckknight`	`20 minutes`
`23:55.06`	`RaydenUni`	`well that's a problem`
`23:55.13`	`RaydenUni`	`aguf is unusable in its current state`
`23:55.25`	ag`	`use an earlier zip? I am working on it atm`
`23:55.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	ag`: stfu and make it go faster, hoser
`23:55.56`	ag`	`there's all the earlier ones at files.wowace.com`
`23:56.03`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`23:56.05`	ag`	`hyperChipmunk: hoser? :D`
`23:56.16`	`NeoTron`	`RaydenUni: using files directly from wowace or SVN is equivalent to using alpha software`
`23:56.17`	`Amadeo`	`RaydenUni: SVN isn't expected to be stable`
`23:56.28`	`RaydenUni`	`i know this`
`23:56.47`	`TecnoBrat`	`ag, is that error fix the one that makes all of my settings reset? (just curious)`
`23:56.48`	`RaydenUni`	`oh, didn't know there were earlier zips set up`
`23:56.48`	`NeoTron`	`then manually get an earlier revision that worked >:-)`
`23:57.10`	ag`	`I stir up the boards and IRC once every month or so`
`23:57.16`	`Sparhawke`	`lol`
`23:57.17`	ag`	`when I commit stuff that breaks`
`23:57.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`lol`
`23:57.24`	`NeoTron`	`http://files.wowace.com/ag_UnitFrames/`
`23:57.38`	`TecnoBrat`	`lol ag`
`23:57.44`	`NeoTron`	`the index doesn't include a link to the directory - that might be a feature improvement`
`23:57.59`	ag`	`maybe I should just move my working copy to branches`
`23:58.00`	`TecnoBrat`	`Yea .. I'm patient enough to wait .. I'm just making sure the problem I am having is the one that is fixed :)`
`23:58.08`	`RaydenUni`	ag` people like using it and most of the updates add cool stuff
`23:58.37`	`RaydenUni`	`i've never had a bug this annoying before using ace stuff`
`23:58.46`	`RaydenUni`	`usually its cartographer complaining about something when i frst start up`
`23:58.58`	`RaydenUni`	`its expected and i just wait for the next revision to fix it`
`23:59.26`	`TecnoBrat`	`RaydenUni, do you have bugsack installed?`
`23:59.30`	`hyperChipmunk`	`not to be harsh, but we're not getting paid for this; everything is as-is`
`23:59.33`	`RaydenUni`	`no, what is that?`
`23:59.33`	`TecnoBrat`	`if you do .. you wont see any of those errors :P`
`23:59.41`	`RaydenUni`	`oh. interesting`
`23:59.46`	`TecnoBrat`	`it takes the errors, and sticks em in a bag`
`23:59.53`	`RaydenUni`	`bag?`

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