IRC log for #wowace on 20070416

`00:00.35`	`nymbia`	`~comfort kergoth`
`00:00.43`	`purl`	`There, there, kergoth. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
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`00:00.51`	`kergoth`	`~botsnack`
`00:00.51`	`purl`	`aw, gee, kergoth`
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`00:02.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kergoth: ew, that sucks. :( um, drink juice! or.. dont drink juice! whatever it is you're supposed to do. >.>`
`00:02.48`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:02.57`	`kergoth`	`woot, office space on the comedy channel`
`00:03.03`	`kergoth`	`thatll make me feel a little better`
`00:03.04`	`chuckg`	`What the fuck is juice.`
`00:03.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`good deal`
`00:03.08`	`chuckg`	`I want some drink.`
`00:03.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i'm fairly certain alcohol is never the proper treatment for a disease. :P`
`00:03.52`	`chuckg`	`That was a chapelle standup reference :\|`
`00:04.29`	`mjc`	`kergoth: /hug I have a bad tooth infection that is treated by a week's supply of antibiotics and vicodin`
`00:04.30`	`mjc`	`lol`
`00:04.57`	`kergoth`	`ugh, i hate teeth problems. such an annoying sort of pain`
`00:09.06`	`Mikma`	`mjc: now you can eat the vicodins like House does!!!`
`00:10.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"I'm in my dressing gown." "Yes, you are." "There's a strange man in my bedroom." "Yes, there is." "Anything could happen." "... No."`
`00:10.52`	`mjc`	`I have been`
`00:10.54`	`mjc`	`pretty much`
`00:11.15`	`mjc`	`he gave me 30 on friday I'm down to 15`
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`00:13.02`	`sylvanaar`	`god bartender is constantly breaking stuff...every time i get an update something is broken`
`00:14.36`	`chuckg`	`Bongos!`
`00:14.42`	`chuckg`	`Infinibar.`
`00:14.47`	`Eternally777`	`I don't know how to phrase this question, so I'll do it with an example: Why is 'myString:sub(x)' more expensive than 'string.sub(x)'?`
`00:14.51`	`sylvanaar`	`ftw!`
`00:15.12`	`chuckg`	`Eternally777, welcome to my world.`
`00:15.17`	`chuckg`	`That type of stuff is beyond me.`
`00:15.42`	`ckknight`	`Eternally777: mystring:sub(num) is faster than string.sub(mystring, num)`
`00:15.42`	`Eternally777`	`Oh, I found out why.`
`00:15.46`	`ckknight`	`isn't it?`
`00:15.54`	`ckknight`	`due to one table lookup vs. two`
`00:16.09`	`chuckg`	`Do share.`
`00:16.10`	`kergoth`	`it wont be one table lookup for mystring:sub(), since it has to look up the string mt and then index that table`
`00:16.16`	`kergoth`	`afaik anyway`
`00:16.40`	`Eternally777`	`I forgot to redefine my memory and CPU clock variable between benchmarks.`
`00:16.41`	`Eternally777`	`heh`
`00:16.42`	`kergoth`	`"Michael, I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing and it was everything I thought it could be."`
`00:16.47`	`Eternally777`	`no wonder is was double.`
`00:16.57`	`Eternally777`	`The difference isn't noticable; false alarm.`
`00:17.08`	`chuckg`	`Which is faster?`
`00:17.14`	`Eternally777`	`Neither`
`00:17.19`	`Eternally777`	`Apparently.`
`00:17.29`	`chuckg`	`Ah.`
`00:17.31`	`chuckg`	`Same cost.`
`00:17.32`	`chuckg`	`?`
`00:17.47`	`ckknight`	`I think the colon-syntax is cleaner`
`00:17.47`	`Eternally777`	`Close enough.`
`00:17.49`	`kergoth`	`they should both involve one table lookup, just one involves a getmetatable() as well`
`00:17.55`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: agreed`
`00:18.19`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: string.sub is two table lookups`
`00:18.20`	`ckknight`	`one global`
`00:18.24`	`Eternally777`	`The table lookup with 'string.sub' is just calling the 'sub' key out of the table 'string', right?`
`00:18.24`	`chuckg`	`Preference, then.`
`00:18.25`	`ckknight`	`_G.string.sub`
`00:18.44`	`kergoth`	`good point`
`00:18.56`	`Eternally777`	`hehe you said 'G.string'`
`00:18.59`	`Eternally777`	`anyway...`
`00:19.03`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:19.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:19.09`	`sylvanaar`	`but it probably does not do the lookup since it is the standard library`
`00:19.18`	`nymbia`	`sure it does`
`00:19.19`	`kergoth`	`what do you mean?`
`00:19.25`	`ckknight`	`it does, sylvanaar`
`00:19.27`	`sylvanaar`	`not in the same way`
`00:19.28`	`nymbia`	`a global is a global`
`00:19.29`	`Eternally777`	`What if you made a local copy of _G.string.sub? Would it be faster using that local variable rather than calling 'myString:sub()'?`
`00:19.30`	`ckknight`	`lua doesn't work that way`
`00:19.34`	`kergoth`	`it isnt handled specially, its just a table. i can go replace functions in the string table just fine`
`00:20.21`	`sylvanaar`	`that would be stupid, any implmentor would have a fast accesss shortcut for table. string. etc.`
`00:20.45`	`nymbia`	`make it yourself`
`00:20.50`	`nymbia`	`if you want it`
`00:20.50`	`kergoth`	`there is a max # of locals, to prepopulate those wouldnt be a good idea in the general case`
`00:20.53`	`nymbia`	`local string = string`
`00:21.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you mean like strsub?`
`00:21.14`	`Eternally777`	`yeah`
`00:21.24`	`Eternally777`	`Unless that's a global`
`00:21.25`	`Eternally777`	`Then no`
`00:21.36`	`kergoth`	`it is, but itd be one table lookup instead of two`
`00:21.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, but it goes right to the function`
`00:22.01`	`Eternally777`	`so then a 'local strsub' is faster then 'string.sub' and 'strsub'?`
`00:22.27`	`kergoth`	`Eternally777: localizing globals is one of the most common optimization techniques, particularly in critical paths.`
`00:22.37`	`Eternally777`	`Thought so.`
`00:23.23`	`chuckg`	`So you guys are saying, for the dumbies. ..`
`00:23.25`	`chuckg`	`If I do:`
`00:23.30`	`chuckg`	`local string = _G.string`
`00:23.37`	`chuckg`	`That any string.func will be "faster"?`
`00:23.39`	`nymbia`	`dont do that`
`00:23.46`	`Eternally777`	`Yeah, don't do that.`
`00:23.56`	`nymbia`	`do local string_gsub = string.gsub`
`00:24.04`	`nymbia`	`etc`
`00:24.21`	`chuckg`	`But that would be "faster", so to speak?`
`00:24.39`	`kergoth`	`and as always, dont prematurely optimize. dont bother localizing a codepath that isnt using a statistically significant amount of processor time`
`00:24.51`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32749 10Aloft/ (7 files in 4 dirs):`
`00:24.51`	`CIA-11`	`Aloft`
`00:24.51`	`CIA-11`	`- Added Frame options, including Backdrop Color, border style, border color`
`00:24.51`	`CIA-11`	`- Added HealthBar positioning options relative to the frame`
`00:24.51`	`CIA-11`	`- Removed Packing width/height from HealthBar. They are now in the Frame options`
`00:24.52`	`CIA-11`	`- Removed Images directory along with SimpleBorder`
`00:24.53`	`chuckg`	`I wouldn't bother doing that anyway.`
`00:24.58`	`chuckg`	`I'm just curious.`
`00:24.58`	`chuckg`	`:)`
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`00:25.04`	`Eternally777`	`kergoth: but prematurely optimizing is fun :-(`
`00:25.07`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:25.23`	`kergoth`	`Roartindon: you should just keep your irc running 24/7 like the rest of us :)`
`00:25.31`	`Eternally777`	`It means that I never finish a mod because I spent so much time optimizing it that I never really wrote it. Then I just get tired of it.`
`00:25.45`	`kergoth`	`i get tired of it as soon as i figure out how to do it`
`00:25.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`however, if you have 500 unavoidable string.subs in a loop, it would be a good thing to do`
`00:25.52`	`kergoth`	`its the architecture thats intersting, coding is boring`
`00:25.53`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:26.24`	`Roartindon`	`kergoth: I'd stay on IRC more if I used the same computers to code WoW and IRC with :)`
`00:26.25`	`Eternally777`	`heh, I'd agree.`
`00:26.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`screen + irssi = win`
`00:26.52`	`kergoth`	`should set up an irc proxy and just connect to it.. or screen, indeed`
`00:27.10`	`Roartindon`	`yeah, I'd use screen/etc.. except, I like Colloquy too much :)`
`00:27.13`	`Eternally777`	`Another question, why is the '#' operator so much faster than 'string.len'?`
`00:27.32`	`vhaarr`	`# can be used to get string length? I had no idea.`
`00:27.32`	`Roartindon`	`Eternally: # is builtin, string.len requires 2 lookups?`
`00:27.36`	`kergoth`	`you answered your own question, # is an operator`
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`00:27.53`	`Eternally777`	`I guess that means I need to look up what an 'operator' is in programming thne.`
`00:27.53`	`kergoth`	`Eternally777: luac -l -p is your friend`
`00:27.58`	`kergoth`	`look at the lua vm instructions`
`00:28.01`	`Eternally777`	`s/thne./then./`
`00:28.16`	`kergoth`	`easy to see why things are slower than others, see exactly how it did the compilation`
`00:29.07`	`kergoth`	`afaik # will translate to an actual vm opcode, rather than 2 table indexes and a function call, but you'd want to luac -l -p to confirm. could be wrong`
`00:29.13`	`Eternally777`	`WOAH`
`00:29.14`	`Eternally777`	`no way`
`00:29.23`	`kergoth`	`?`
`00:29.24`	`Eternally777`	`o man, that's awesome! Kergoth, I love you.`
`00:29.28`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:29.31`	`kergoth`	`theres an even better one`
`00:29.35`	`kergoth`	`the chunkspy project on luaforge`
`00:29.39`	`Eternally777`	`Srsly. I've just been using SciTE this whole time.`
`00:29.43`	`kergoth`	`can even display the compiled vm instructions inline with the lua code`
`00:30.10`	`Eternally777`	`O man I have no idea what any of this is telling me but it looks really cool.`
`00:30.14`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:30.17`	`Eternally777`	`Let me learn how to use this first. Baby steps.`
`00:30.35`	`kergoth`	`you might want to peruse the lua vm internals pdf out on the lua site.. i'm, not sure if its been updated to 5.1 yet, but the principles are the same`
`00:32.02`	`kergoth`	`seeing the instructions inline with the lua code with chunkspy may make it easier for you to grasp,a actually`
`00:32.03`	`kergoth`	`since you can make a direct association of each line to its corresponding vm instructions`
`00:32.03`	`kergoth`	`rather than going by the whole`
`00:32.03`	`Roartindon`	`Eternally777: http://ace.pastey.net/12697`
`00:32.11`	`Eternally777`	`Lua 5.1.2 was released? I had no idea. Not to get of topic though, I just noticed it on the Lua site.`
`00:32.20`	`kergoth`	`Roartindon: heh, thought so. LEN`
`00:32.22`	`kergoth`	`cool`
`00:32.23`	`ckknight`	`oh, I didn't know either`
`00:32.38`	`Roartindon`	`so #a = 2 ops, string.len(a) = 4 ops`
`00:33.55`	`Eternally777`	`Do I want to know what the numbers in the 4th, 5th, and 6th columns mean?`
`00:33.57`	`Kirkburn`	`5.1.2 came out on April 2nd apparently`
`00:34.01`	`kergoth`	`the latter has an extra GETGLOBAL, an extra GETTABLE, and an extra function call. a 3 op difference. they both do the print()`
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`00:34.13`	`Roartindon`	`kergoth: an extra CALL too`
`00:34.19`	`Roartindon`	`op 11 is for string.len()`
`00:34.30`	`Kirkburn`	`WoW is 5.1.1?`
`00:34.31`	`kergoth`	`didnt i just say that?`
`00:34.37`	`kergoth`	`pretty sure i did`
`00:34.43`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`00:34.43`	`Roartindon`	`Ooops.`
`00:34.46`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:34.47`	`Roartindon`	`sorry, it's two extra ops`
`00:34.59`	`Roartindon`	`both require get global (op 4 and 10)`
`00:35.26`	`kergoth`	`yes, but the latter has the getglobal at 8, the gettable at 9, and the extra call at 11.`
`00:35.34`	`kergoth`	`none of which are in the former`
`00:35.46`	`Eternally777`	`Kirkburn: I thought so, don't know for sure.`
`00:35.47`	`kergoth`	`<3 office space`
`00:36.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, it wouldn't surprise me if Patch 2.2 goes for 5.1.2 unless 2.1 already is`
`00:36.17`	`ckknight`	`where's 5.1.2's changelog?`
`00:36.28`	`Kirkburn`	`On the lua website?`
`00:36.28`	`ckknight`	`Kirkburn: perhaps we could suggest they switch to 5.1.2`
`00:36.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Good question for the UI forums, aye`
`00:36.55`	`Kirkburn`	`It's a bug fix release`
`00:36.57`	`Roartindon`	`kergoth: so it has 3 ops different, 2 extra, as LEN is an op (though almost certainly quicker)`
`00:37.07`	`nymbia`	`wait what changed in 5.1.2?`
`00:37.33`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.lua.org/bugs.html#5.1.1`
`00:37.39`	`Kirkburn`	`That list was fixed`
`00:37.40`	Funkeh`	`ouch /print GetAddOnCPUUsage("KLHThreatMeter") returned 21931558.417 wtf? :P`
`00:37.54`	`Kirkburn`	`9 bugs`
`00:38.13`	`Eternally777`	`I was always suspicious that KLHTM was slowing me down...`
`00:39.30`	`Eternally777`	`Kergoth, do you have a link to the pdf you mentioned above?`
`00:40.33`	`ckknight`	Funkeh`: 21,931 seconds?
`00:40.46`	Funkeh`	`no idea`
`00:40.59`	Funkeh`	`Returns the total time used by the specified AddOn. This returns a cached value calculated by UpdateAddOnCPUUsage().`
`00:41.02`	`ckknight`	`part of me wants to add addon CPU profiling to PerfFu as well`
`00:41.12`	Funkeh`	`please do`
`00:41.36`	`Roartindon`	`Do libraries like Ace mess up the time calculations?`
`00:41.39`	`ckknight`	`yes.`
`00:41.52`	`ckknight`	`it looks like more things come from Ace2 rather than the proper addon`
`00:42.29`	`Roartindon`	`I guess the only way to profile properly then is to enable a single addon with embedded libraries....`
`00:43.14`	`kergoth`	`Roartindon: ah right, good call on the op`
`00:43.40`	`kergoth`	`Eternally777: not offhand, but its on the documenation page on lua.org`
`00:44.01`	`kergoth`	`http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/~lhf/ftp/doc/jucs05.pdf`
`00:44.07`	`kergoth`	`"The implementation of lua 5.0"`
`00:44.11`	`kergoth`	`good doc`
`00:44.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it actually shows things coming from the first addon that uses ace2`
`00:44.37`	Funkeh`	`disembed ftw`
`00:44.58`	`Roartindon`	`hyper: Yeah, I see complaints on the Aloft thread about PlaySoundFile that I'm relatively sure aren't my problems :)`
`00:46.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`which actually gives you a false reading, because the most efficient addon in the world might be the first to load ace and then the most horrible item database mod ever written uses ace after, and the first will display as using like 26MB`
`00:46.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Roartindon: thanks for the "set all" options.`
`00:46.57`	`Roartindon`	`I'm waiting for someone to write a lua compatible interpreter for llvm.. that should produce some interesting results`
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`00:47.09`	`Roartindon`	`with huge potential speed increases too`
`00:48.21`	Funkeh``	ckknight: kick Funkeh` so i can register please
`00:48.39`	`ckknight`	`um, no`
`00:48.42`	`ckknight`	`doesn't work that way.`
`00:48.50`	`ckknight`	just do /msg nickserv gohst funkeh` mypass
`00:48.54`	`nymbia`	`ghost him`
`00:48.54`	`ckknight`	`ghost*`
`00:49.48`	`Eternally777`	`kergoth: 18 pages long ftl... brb, going to read it.`
`00:49.54`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:49.58`	`Scrapy`	`it's possible to use mohealth with ag_unitframes ?`
`00:50.00`	`Eternally777`	`kergoth: thanks for the link btw`
`00:51.42`	`Roartindon`	`Scrapy: aguf has inbuilt support for mobhealth`
`00:51.50`	`sylvanaar`	`yep i posted that bliz needs to can the profiling of memory because its only going to cause confusion since it doesnt have enough detail. but the cpu numbers look accurate`
`00:52.38`	`ckknight`	`Scrapy: PitBull ftw`
`00:53.06`	`sylvanaar`	`its only use is makign forum drama`
`00:53.43`	`Scrapy`	`thanks ckknight & Eternally777`
`00:53.51`	`Scrapy`	`but i see "custom"`
`00:54.04`	`Scrapy`	`it's don't possible to add the function of mobhealth ?`
`00:54.24`	`ckknight`	`Scrapy: it's there by default.`
`00:54.25`	`Scrapy`	`Oups Roartindon*`
`00:54.39`	`ckknight`	`don't worry about it`
`00:54.51`	`ckknight`	`Scrapy: MobHealth3 is supported natively`
`00:55.13`	`Scrapy`	`ckknight, i understend, but it's for AG`
`00:55.29`	`Scrapy`	`okay okay i download PitBull...`
`00:55.52`	`ckknight`	`ag supports it by default, too, afaik`
`00:55.55`	`ckknight`	`could be wrong`
`00:56.12`	`Scrapy`	`not for me. i have test this in duel (sorry for my bad english)`
`00:56.16`	`Scrapy`	`i see % only`
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`00:58.16`	`break19`	`hey, does anyone know if there's a candybar addon that puts a countdown to pvp turning off?`
`01:02.10`	`Scrapy`	`ckknight, i up a jpg.`
`01:02.28`	`Scrapy`	`ckknight, http://pix.nofrag.com/7f/6f/a1935c18d1b90d6e54690dc1cef9.jpg`
`01:02.31`	`ckknight`	`dude, take a look at the damn options.`
`01:02.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Scrapy, have you changed the option?`
`01:02.47`	`Kirkburn`	`lol, that's a yes`
`01:02.52`	`nymbia`	`Scrapy: the default option in mobhealth is to not calculate for players. change it.`
`01:02.53`	`Scrapy`	`ahhh ! what option ?`
`01:03.28`	`Scrapy`	`okay thanks for informations`
`01:04.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Oooh, Pitbull is getting closer and closer to the 300k mark`
`01:05.13`	Bibi`ouF	`this is madness !`
`01:05.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Atm it seems to be mathematically tending to --> 300`
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`01:05.44`	`Kirkburn`	`After many years it'll reach 299.9999999999999999995`
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`01:08.42`	`Amadeo`	`Scrapy: Did you win the duel?`
`01:10.33`	`Scrapy`	`Amadeo, it's just a duel test.`
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`01:12.24`	`poptix`	`I bring you good tidings from the PTR`
`01:12.28`	`poptix`	`http://poptix.net/WoW/multipoly.jpg`
`01:12.45`	`Roartindon_`	`poptix: no way.... :P`
`01:12.55`	`poptix`	`yes way, it's bugged`
`01:12.59`	`poptix`	`funny stuff`
`01:13.09`	`Roartindon_`	`I'm guessing it'll get fixed quickly :)`
`01:13.17`	`Roartindon_`	`That'd make mages the ultimate CC class :)`
`01:13.20`	`poptix`	`=)`
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`01:13.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`lol, if that went live i'd predict a sudden upsurge in ZG runs`
`01:13.49`	`Roartindon_`	`poptix: And... Aloft works on PTR :) lol`
`01:14.02`	`Roartindon_`	`NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, I still need my damn book, lost the roll on it 3 times`
`01:14.08`	`Roartindon_`	`But it'd be 5 mannable quite easilynow`
`01:14.11`	`poptix`	`i wonder if i could solo him`
`01:14.15`	`poptix`	`the book isn't BOP`
`01:14.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Doubtful you could solo him, but yeah, 5 man shouldnt be hard`
`01:14.45`	`Roartindon_`	`New macro: /castsequence Polymorph, Polymorph:Pig, Polymorph:Turtle :)`
`01:14.45`	`poptix`	`i've got a 70 hunter too =P`
`01:15.53`	`Scrapy`	`Sorry, but i dont find the function for activate mobhealth with AG...`
`01:16.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Btw, translators, ClearFont2 needs an frFR, deDE and kr translation`
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`01:16.14`	`ckknight`	`Scrapy: do you even have MobHealth installed?`
`01:16.23`	`Roartindon_`	`more specifically, MobHealth3`
`01:16.26`	`Scrapy`	`Yeap, /mh3 it's operational`
`01:16.52`	`Scrapy`	`ckknight, (last version)`
`01:17.08`	`ckknight`	`dunno then`
`01:17.30`	`Antiarc`	`Do we know what's causing the PlaySoundFile periodic bug? Just updated and my bugsack is going crazy`
`01:17.37`	`Antiarc`	`I'm tracking it down, but I have 190 mods/libs installed :/`
`01:17.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Is there any way to 'request' translations?`
`01:18.15`	`Kirkburn`	`(apart from what I just did, obviously :P)`
`01:18.34`	`vhaarr`	`there's no official way, no`
`01:18.35`	`Scrapy`	`i go install PitBull. it's dont need mobhealth ? it's natively ?`
`01:18.44`	`CIA-11`	`03ckknight * r32750 10FuBar_PerformanceFu/PerformanceFu.lua: FuBar_PerformanceFu - different mechanism for addon memory check, uses table.sort`
`01:18.46`	`ckknight`	`no, Scrapy`
`01:18.48`	`ckknight`	`just no.`
`01:19.02`	`Roartindon_`	`Antiarc: I hope someone figures it out soon, because people are blaming Aloft :)`
`01:19.19`	`Antiarc`	`Well, Aloft doesn't even call PlaySoundFile :P`
`01:19.26`	`vhaarr`	`hrm`
`01:19.28`	`Antiarc`	`Also, kickass job on it. I can bear to keep nameplates on now :D`
`01:19.30`	`vhaarr`	`Antiarc: Error?`
`01:19.32`	`Roartindon_`	`yeah, but the bugsack is reporting Aloft as the source`
`01:19.36`	`vhaarr`	`Antiarc: Paste please.`
`01:19.46`	`Antiarc`	`[2007/04/15 18:10:23-4970-x268]: AceEvent-2.0-32527 (Ace2):430: Usage: PlaySoundFile("soundfile")`
`01:19.48`	`Antiarc`	`That's it.`
`01:19.51`	`Antiarc`	`Happens every 3 sec or so`
`01:19.53`	`vhaarr`	`hm`
`01:20.00`	`Antiarc`	`No stack or anything`
`01:20.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Roartindon: easy fix. Change it to something that starts with a letter further along the alphabet. Like . . .Zoloft!`
`01:20.14`	`Roartindon_`	`from the Aloft thread: 2007/04/14 15:25:48-1574-x128]: AceEvent-2.0-32527 (Aloft):430: Usage: PlaySoundFile("soundfile")`
`01:20.18`	`Kirkburn`	`vhaarr, so my only recourse is just to keep asking and pestering? :P`
`01:20.30`	`vhaarr`	`Kirkburn: yes`
`01:20.38`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`It's just blaming Aloft because it's probably loading/running the first instance of AceEvent.`
`01:20.43`	`Kirkburn`	`I only got my first translation (esES) like two days ago ;)`
`01:20.43`	`Roartindon_`	`Yep`
`01:20.44`	`Antiarc`	`Prat, SCT, or Bigwigs are likely candidates`
`01:20.57`	`Antiarc`	`But nothing there is calling the sounds on a periodic repeating basis`
`01:20.57`	`Roartindon_`	`I know that, but it doesn't stop people complaining on the Aloft thread`
`01:21.09`	`vhaarr`	`Most likely Prat, then, since BigWigs only plays sounds during boss fights.`
`01:21.16`	`Mikma`	`Antiarc: run a grep -r PlaySoundFile *`
`01:21.19`	`vhaarr`	`Or SCT, if it only happens during action.`
`01:21.43`	`Antiarc`	`Mikma: Already did`
`01:21.47`	`Antiarc`	`Looking through candidates now.`
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`01:22.00`	`vhaarr`	`Could be coming from SharedMediaLib as well.`
`01:22.13`	`vhaarr`	`Perhaps it's BugSack.`
`01:22.20`	`vhaarr`	`I didn't test those sound commits very well.`
`01:22.33`	`Antiarc`	`Auctioneer, BigWigs\Plugins\Sound, BugSack, Fubar\QuestsFu, oRA\Participant\Ready.lua, Prat\modules\PopupMessage, Prat/modles/Sounds.lua`
`01:22.38`	`Antiarc`	`sct/sct.lua`
`01:22.39`	`Antiarc`	`That's it`
`01:22.55`	`Antiarc`	`Auctioneer isn't Ace so we can rule it out`
`01:23.11`	`vhaarr`	`well if it happens all the time, then it must be something that repeats`
`01:23.21`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, I'm not seeing anything that's called on a repeating basis`
`01:23.22`	`vhaarr`	`only Prat comes to mind`
`01:23.30`	`vhaarr`	`since chat stuff happens all the time`
`01:23.40`	`Antiarc`	`Something is also eating the hell out of my RAM, and I can't figure out what`
`01:23.49`	`Antiarc`	`In the past 24 hours I've gone from ~30 mb usage to 60-70`
`01:24.25`	`Antiarc`	`This is -super- regular though, vhaarr`
`01:24.30`	`Antiarc`	`It doesn't look like an event response`
`01:24.40`	`vhaarr`	`every 3sec?`
`01:24.56`	`vhaarr`	`well I use all those addons except Prat, and I don't get any errors`
`01:25.10`	`Roartindon_`	`antiarc: if you're getting an error every 3 sec, that could be eating up RAM?`
`01:25.18`	`Antiarc`	`Roartindon_: I'm hoping so`
`01:25.20`	`vhaarr`	`nah, not that much`
`01:25.24`	`Antiarc`	`I'm going to try regressing Prat`
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`01:27.45`	`Antiarc`	`That did it.`
`01:27.50`	`vhaarr`	`:)`
`01:27.53`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: nubcaek`
`01:27.54`	`Antiarc`	`Regressed to 31419`
`01:27.58`	`Antiarc`	`No more periodic errors`
`01:28.02`	`Antiarc`	`Though I still have "[2007/04/15 18:26:39-4971-x1]: Aloft_GuildOnly\Aloft_GuildOnly.lua:29: attempt to index field 'OnMenuRequest' (a nil value)"`
`01:28.36`	`Antiarc`	`RAM usage seems more stable too.`
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`01:28.49`	`Antiarc`	`We'll see once I hit combat.`
`01:29.34`	`sylvanaar`	`what did i do`
`01:29.36`	`Diao`	`Delete Aloft_Guildonly`
`01:29.51`	`Antiarc`	`Is it depricated?`
`01:29.57`	`Diao`	`Yeah`
`01:30.02`	`ckknight`	`deprecated`
`01:30.13`	`Antiarc`	`Alirghty, thanks`
`01:30.23`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32751 10Aloft/Modules/ShortGuildData.lua: Aloft: ShortGuildData - now that empty guilds are nil in GuildData, remove some unnecessary checks, and change string.gsub(value...) to value:gsub(...) to save a lookup`
`01:30.34`	`Antiarc`	`BAH!`
`01:30.39`	`Antiarc`	`False alarm. The sound bug is back.`
`01:30.54`	`Antiarc`	`It seemed like it took some time to start happening though. Interesting.`
`01:31.35`	`CIA-11`	`03fenlis * r32752 10RatingBuster/RatingBuster-Locale-koKR.lua:`
`01:31.35`	`CIA-11`	`RatingBuster:`
`01:31.35`	`CIA-11`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:31.45`	`Roartindon_`	`Antiarc: GuildOnly is deprecated.. the built in Visibility module has GuildOnly and tons more options`
`01:31.59`	`Antiarc`	`Fantastic. Nuked.`
`01:33.57`	`Scrapy`	`realy, i don't find the function :'(`
`01:33.59`	`sylvanaar`	`i run the same mods, and i dont have issues`
`01:34.11`	`Antiarc`	`I wonder if it's an artifact of something else.`
`01:34.20`	`CIA-11`	`03fenlis * r32753 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua:`
`01:34.20`	`CIA-11`	`StatLogicLib:`
`01:34.20`	`CIA-11`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:34.27`	`sylvanaar`	`you think i'd let my system beep every 3 sec`
`01:34.46`	`vhaarr`	`:p`
`01:34.57`	`Antiarc`	`Well, if I track it down, I'll let you know what it was.`
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`01:35.23`	`vhaarr`	`actually it's probably my fault somehow`
`01:35.43`	`vhaarr`	`since I recently touched sound in both bugsack, bigwigs and sharedmedia`
`01:39.35`	`CIA-11`	`03ckknight * r32754 10FuBar_PerformanceFu/ (PerformanceFu.lua PerformanceFuLocale-enUS.lua): FuBar_PerformanceFu - added CPU profiling.`
`01:39.35`	`ckknight`	Funkeh`: ^--
`01:39.46`	Funkeh`	`ckknight: <3`
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`01:40.19`	`CIA-11`	`03ckknight * r32755 10FuBar_PerformanceFu/PerformanceFu.lua: FuBar_PerformanceFu - hide option in WoW 2.0`
`01:40.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Cripes! I actually have a change to make for 2.1`
`01:41.56`	`ckknight`	`how so?`
`01:42.10`	Funkeh`	`'i downloaded and it was on my minimap and i kinda Hid it using the Hide Plugin. How do i make is show again??' i hear this so much for ace mods its funny`
`01:42.12`	`kenlyric`	`lies`
`01:42.40`	`Antiarc`	`Hm. I nuked GuildOnly and the error hasn't come back`
`01:42.43`	`Antiarc`	`FWIW.`
`01:42.45`	`Antiarc`	`shrug`
`01:42.48`	`kenlyric`	Funkeh`: delete all SV. That's the answer.
`01:42.50`	Funkeh`	`maybe make a function in fubarplugin 'ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO HIDE? YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT'`
`01:43.03`	`Kirkburn`	`ckknight, new font added`
`01:43.06`	`Kirkburn`	`ChatFontSmall`
`01:43.09`	`ckknight`	`oh`
`01:43.14`	`ckknight`	`you know what you should do?`
`01:43.16`	`ckknight`	`use SharedMediaLib`
`01:43.17`	`ckknight`	`gah.`
`01:43.48`	`Kirkburn`	`...`
`01:45.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`you hackr`
`01:45.41`	`WobWork`	`oh man`
`01:45.42`	`WobWork`	`frogs`
`01:45.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Now you do stuff? What about all the times I asked you nicely? :/`
`01:46.03`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`01:46.04`	`ckknight`	`actually`
`01:46.09`	`ckknight`	`not sure how to do that`
`01:46.19`	`Kirkburn`	`It already registers the fonts with it`
`01:47.35`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight: You should have called PitBull "AceBaskinRobins"`
`01:47.39`	`Antiarc`	`Because it's 31 flavors of awesome`
`01:47.45`	`Antiarc`	`Just FYI`
`01:47.45`	`ckknight`	`...lol`
`01:47.46`	`Kirkburn`	`ckknight, really though, if you have a mo, the addon override stuff does need looking at`
`01:48.00`	`ckknight`	`I'm gonna play my pally instead`
`01:48.06`	`ckknight`	`haven't done that for a week`
`01:48.51`	`Antiarc`	`For what it's worth: I deleted BigWigs_KLHTMTarget and Aloft_GuildOnly and my errors stopped.`
`01:49.04`	`Antiarc`	`I'd be willing to bet it was BigWigs_KLHTMTarget`
`01:49.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's interesting`
`01:49.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I delete Addons and all my errors go away, too`
`01:49.30`	Funkeh`	`Antiarc the fact its not supposed to work wiht wow2.0 mgiht be the problem`
`01:49.31`	`Antiarc`	`I have 179 left :P`
`01:49.37`	Funkeh`	`and it says onit not supported`
`01:49.46`	`Antiarc`	Funkeh`: Hahah, that might do it.
`01:49.54`	`Antiarc`	`I installed it to try it out and forgot about it`
`01:50.01`	`Antiarc`	`svn del is a good thing >_>`
`01:50.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`why are you using BigWigs_KLHTMTarget?`
`01:50.14`	`vhaarr`	`It stopped working with 2.0.`
`01:50.57`	`Antiarc`	`Well, I installed it just because I wanted to see what it did`
`01:50.59`	`Antiarc`	`Then forgot about it.`
`01:51.00`	`Antiarc`	`:P`
`01:51.13`	`Antiarc`	`But it's solved my PlaySoundFile errors.`
`01:51.25`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Weird.`
`01:51.34`	`Antiarc`	`Not too weird. BigWigs does sound stuff`
`01:52.06`	`Kirkburn`	`ckknight, I hope lots of non-undead/demonic elite ... uh ... sheep go and maul your paladin. They'll be waiting for you back at your inn - you won't escape.`
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`01:57.00`	Funkeh`	`!!!!!`
`01:57.07`	Funkeh`	`screenshots are now saved as jpg?`
`01:57.15`	`mjc`	`yeah well`
`01:57.20`	Funkeh`	`best change!`
`01:57.22`	`mjc`	`if you had a half decent OS it would save them as PNG anyways`
`01:57.28`	`mjc`	`without any special shit`
`01:57.46`	`WobWork`	`I've always heard that macs are half decent`
`01:57.49`	Funkeh`	`i couldn't care about compression i just want a popular format`
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`01:57.59`	`mjc`	`png is popular`
`02:00.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`png is popular and a better format than jpg, unless you need to save bandwidth`
`02:01.07`	`kenlyric`	`screw popular. I want one that opens.`
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`02:01.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`so png?`
`02:02.15`	`mjc`	`png is lossless among other things`
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`02:03.24`	`Amadeo`	`Isn't there some new Microsoft lossless format coming or out?`
`02:03.37`	`Antiarc`	`I want them to save as PNG :/`
`02:03.41`	`Antiarc`	`Lossy jpeg = bleg`
`02:04.36`	`hyperChipmunk`	`png is lossless, open, and supports an alpha channel`
`02:04.43`	`chuckg`	`^`
`02:04.48`	`Amadeo`	`PNG is funky though`
`02:04.50`	`chuckg`	`But doesn't open in windows image viewer.`
`02:04.51`	`chuckg`	`:(`
`02:04.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Amadeo, Windows Media Photo?`
`02:04.53`	`chuckg`	`That's my one gripe!`
`02:05.01`	`Antiarc`	`Amadeo: Lossless microsoft format? You mean BMP? :V`
`02:05.04`	`Amadeo`	`Kirkburn: Yeah, I think that's it, but they renamed it`
`02:05.06`	`Amadeo`	`hehe no`
`02:05.10`	`Kirkburn`	`HD Photo`
`02:05.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's because of the second part =P`
`02:05.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Wikipedia ftw :P`
`02:05.21`	`Amadeo`	`:D`
`02:05.26`	`kenlyric`	`blame microsoft for not putting basic imag formats inside windows.`
`02:05.26`	`Eternally777`	`Mind if I fire off an idea I've been sitting on regarding a particular mod? I've been meaning to talk to the author, but he hasn't been on and I want to know if my ideas are good ones. :)`
`02:05.41`	`Antiarc`	`Honestly, why NOT use png?`
`02:05.45`	`Amadeo`	`Is it me, or does PNG load really funny when you display an image on a website?`
`02:05.48`	`Kirkburn`	`It's not "lossless" as such, but it has better compression than standard jpg`
`02:05.48`	`Antiarc`	`libpng isn't exactly...expensive or something`
`02:05.56`	`Antiarc`	`Amadeo: It will in IE6 if it has an alpha channel`
`02:06.19`	`Amadeo`	`It displays fine, just noticed that it's always funky when it loads for me`
`02:06.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`png is lossless`
`02:06.27`	`Amadeo`	`I use Firefox though`
`02:06.32`	`Kirkburn`	`PNG can be lossless if it wants`
`02:06.43`	`Kirkburn`	`*can be not lossless`
`02:06.45`	`Kirkburn`	`argh`
`02:06.56`	`Kirkburn`	`PNG can compress if it wants :)`
`02:06.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`which it does`
`02:07.38`	`Kirkburn`	`You can save as an 8-bit, 24-bit or 32-bit PNG iirc`
`02:08.13`	`Kirkburn`	`(y'know I really want to rewrite everything I just said)`
`02:08.41`	`Kirkburn`	`(or you can all just ignore it)`
`02:08.45`	`Kirkburn`	`(which is probably best)`
`02:09.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`I simply hope the CVar for choosing screenshot compression format that has been available for the mac client some time now will now be working on windows, too`
`02:09.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`so we can switch back to tga if we like`
`02:09.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`go go CoreImage?`
`02:09.19`	`Kirkburn`	`So anyway, what annoys me is that opening a PNG shortcut won't open it in IE7 :(`
`02:09.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`(anyway, why has the intel jpeg library been sitting in WoW's root folder the last 2.5 years, if they haven't been using it? :D)`
`02:10.09`	`Kirkburn`	`(What I wanted to say earlier is: yes, PNG employs lossless compression, HD Photo can employ both lossy and lossless compression)`
`02:10.44`	`Kirkburn`	`ijl15.dll?`
`02:11.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`indeed`
`02:11.18`	`Kirkburn`	`What's FMOD?`
`02:11.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`just hover over the dll`
`02:11.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`tooltip should show the info (same as with ijl15.dll ^^)`
`02:11.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`if it doesn't, try properties ^^`
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`02:13.04`	`Kirkburn`	`Music and sounds effects system, apparently, from a Google search`
`02:13.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah`
`02:13.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`cross platform audio stuff`
`02:13.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`fmod.org`
`02:13.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
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`02:18.47`	`JJSheets`	`Aloha.`
`02:18.58`	`WobWork`	`mahalo`
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`02:19.58`	`hyperChipmunk`	`JJSheets: errors come back when i run out of grapes in my grapes macro`
`02:20.15`	`WobWork`	`out of grape error`
`02:20.20`	`WobWork`	`reboot universe and restart`
`02:20.21`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`anyone know where the link listing the new 2.1.0 crafted gems was?`
`02:20.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`precisely`
`02:20.30`	`hyperChipmunk`	`whataboutpp.com`
`02:20.59`	`JJSheets`	`okay, hyperChipmunk... pastey me your macro... or list it here if it's small.`
`02:21.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and 1677 just gave me an error too`
`02:21.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`uh, /use [nomodifier:alt] Telaari Grapes /use Purified Draenic Water /cast Shadowmeld`
`02:21.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`icon is ?`
`02:22.02`	`JJSheets`	`nil error at 1677?`
`02:22.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`not sure, but i have that one even with grapes =0`
`02:22.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`sec`
`02:22.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i shall sell my grapes`
`02:22.53`	`Mikma`	`hyperChipmunk: PvP macro ;)`
`02:23.10`	`hyperChipmunk`	`=x`
`02:23.22`	`Mikma`	`yeah, i use the same method in PvP with my nelf priest`
`02:23.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`also useful for FD-flopping in dungeons`
`02:23.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`because i can flop into a bunch of mobs and heal invisibly while FD resets`
`02:24.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`transfers me directly from FD to Shadowmeld`
`02:24.19`	`Amadeo`	`FD flopping!`
`02:24.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, for yoinking chests and such`
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`02:24.52`	`hyperChipmunk`	`sold the grapes`
`02:24.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hax!`
`02:24.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`here come the errors`
`02:25.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`1655 and 1506`
`02:25.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`there's...too many of them!`
`02:26.04`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`02:28.35`	`CIA-11`	`03jjsheets * r32756 10InfiniBar/ (IB_Core.lua IB_Standard.lua): InfiniBar - More Item Macro Bugfix Goodness...`
`02:28.49`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, tell me if that fixes em...`
`02:29.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no idea, i'm using discord now`
`02:29.29`	`JJSheets`	`QQ`
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`02:29.55`	`JJSheets`	`well, if you get around to it then...`
`02:30.01`	`JJSheets`	`I'll be here a while.`
`02:30.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, lemme get to a vendor`
`02:30.13`	`JJSheets`	`np`
`02:30.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no error after selling grapes`
`02:31.17`	`JJSheets`	`no errors at all? and if not, are the highlights decent?`
`02:32.44`	`mjc`	`WTB a set editor in game for PT`
`02:32.47`	`mjc`	`or just pt3bar`
`02:33.10`	`Aenslaed`	`is it possible to change the numbers that appear when you do damage to something in game? Not the font or the size, but the actual numbers`
`02:33.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`highlights?`
`02:33.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh wait`
`02:33.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`here come some errors`
`02:33.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`1423`
`02:33.31`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, range indicators, usable indicator...`
`02:33.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`still doesn't block out my shadowmeld macro when i'm in combat`
`02:34.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`if that's what you mean`
`02:34.14`	`JJSheets`	`yeah, that and range.`
`02:34.35`	`JJSheets`	`by shadowmeld macro, you mean the one you listed above?`
`02:35.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no`
`02:35.19`	`JJSheets`	`list it for me. :p`
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`02:36.39`	`JJSheets`	`brb, doin' the Dew.`
`02:36.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`shadowmeld just the spell darkens`
`02:37.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`my macro is just /cast shadowmeld /stopattack`
`02:37.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`[?] icon`
`02:37.20`	`JJSheets`	`k`
`02:37.33`	`JJSheets`	`I'll roll a nelf soon and figure it out.`
`02:37.41`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh`
`02:37.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and #showtooltip Shadowmeld at the start`
`02:38.06`	`JJSheets`	`k`
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`02:38.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`if you set the icon manually, it works`
`02:38.28`	`JJSheets`	`you mean with the overrides?`
`02:38.30`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh wait`
`02:38.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`now it's working altogether`
`02:38.34`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`02:38.41`	Funkeh`	`i really hope 2.1 doesn't crash as much as it is just now on the ptr when it goes live`
`02:39.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the difference between inactive and active should really be more distinct however`
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`02:39.35`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, I agree to that.`
`02:39.41`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh wait`
`02:39.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's because i forgot to put the macro on a bar`
`02:39.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it was still using just the spell`
`02:39.59`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`02:40.27`	`JJSheets`	`well, the good news is I should be done with the whole current cast conundrum shortly.`
`02:41.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea it doesn't work at all`
`02:41.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`in macro form`
`02:41.39`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you suck`
`02:41.45`	`JJSheets`	`okay... you're playing hunter atm right?`
`02:42.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yes`
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`02:42.34`	`CIA-11`	`03jjsheets * r32757 10InfiniBar/ (IB_Core.lua IB_Standard.lua): InfiniBar - Fixed Current Cast Highlighting, should work with pet spells too.`
`02:42.55`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, test that... I want to know if the pet spells do anything strange. :)`
`02:43.08`	`hyperChipmunk`	`how would i know? you don't have a petbar`
`02:43.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`What's happened to TinyTip - no longer developed?`
`02:43.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`does it need to be further developed?`
`02:43.40`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, you don't put any pet spells in macros?`
`02:44.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hm, i have some on my hidden bar`
`02:44.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`sec`
`02:44.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you take care of the 1423 error?`
`02:44.19`	`JJSheets`	`and yeah, I need to make a pet bar...`
`02:44.24`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, I believe so.`
`02:44.29`	`Eternally777`	`Ok, I'm back with another question: The Lua manual says I can call 'collectgarbage("step", arg)' to do less than a 'collectgarbage("collect")', but still collect garbage. I got that right, right?`
`02:45.11`	`JJSheets`	`damn nelf females look so chunky compared to belf females...`
`02:45.38`	`todd`	`wtb cartographer herbalism/mining option to prevent new nodes from being created`
`02:45.52`	`Eternally777`	`Where 'arg' is the size of the step... There's no way to calculate the optimum step size?`
`02:46.04`	`Kinkx`	`todd, why do you want that?`
`02:46.31`	`todd`	`because I'm using the wowhead database :P`
`02:46.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`JJSheets: doesn't do anything`
`02:47.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`also, for some reason, clicking autoshot doesn't turn it off`
`02:47.51`	`JJSheets`	`doesn't turn autoshot off or the highlight?`
`02:47.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`neither`
`02:48.37`	`JJSheets`	`can you suffer the shadowmeld wierdness for a bit?`
`02:50.08`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`02:50.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i've suffered it since i started using this crappy addon`
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`02:51.23`	`JJSheets`	`heh, if it's so crappy, why are you helping me so much? :)`
`02:51.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`todd: wowhead db doesn't seem entirely complete though... shows a lot of truesilver nodes where there are actually rich thorium veins`
`02:51.40`	`JJSheets`	`mind you, I'm not saying it isn't crappy. :)`
`02:52.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`because i want it to be less crappy`
`02:52.09`	`JJSheets`	`aw`
`02:52.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i did the same for ckknight with fubar`
`02:52.15`	`JJSheets`	`I feel warm and fuzzy`
`02:52.19`	`JJSheets`	`:)`
`02:52.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and look, it's no longer crappy`
`02:52.38`	`JJSheets`	`lol did fubar have this many annoying ass bugs in it in the beginning?`
`02:52.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`more =x`
`02:52.51`	`JJSheets`	`HA HA!`
`02:53.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`mostly because ckknight didn't actually play the game`
`02:53.10`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`02:53.13`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`02:53.14`	`ckknight`	`that was a problem`
`02:53.18`	`ckknight`	`hey, I was coding all the time`
`02:53.19`	`JJSheets`	`I'd imagine so.`
`02:53.20`	`ckknight`	`didn't have time to test`
`02:54.03`	`JJSheets`	`that's about how I feel... my main has a full bar and a half of rest XP...`
`02:54.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hm, your buttons aren't respecting an alpha override with visor`
`02:54.30`	`JJSheets`	`I wouldn't expect them to.`
`02:54.41`	`hyperChipmunk`	`jerk`
`02:54.44`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`02:54.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`now i have to make a whole bar for one button`
`02:54.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hope you're happy`
`02:55.21`	`JJSheets`	`lol I'll program in an override for alpha's per button after the bugs are killed. :p`
`02:55.45`	`JJSheets`	`or my next work week... whichever... :)`
`02:55.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, don't worry`
`02:55.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i can live with it`
`02:57.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`also, bars shouldn't be locked by default`
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`02:57.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the first thing you want to do is move them from that default position way in the corner`
`02:57.49`	`JJSheets`	`yeah... that's an easy enough change...`
`02:58.51`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, you use autoshot as a spell or in a macro?`
`02:59.00`	`hyperChipmunk`	`spell`
`02:59.03`	`JJSheets`	`k`
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`03:01.42`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, test autoshot on a normal button for me...`
`03:01.59`	`JJSheets`	`I just cast it from my spell book and it wouldn't turn off there either.`
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`03:02.34`	`CIA-11`	`03gagorian * r32758 10DrDamage/ (BuffScanning.lua DrDamage.lua):`
`03:02.34`	`CIA-11`	`DrDamage:`
`03:02.34`	`CIA-11`	`-Fixed troll racial Berserking being applied as the BG buff`
`03:02.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`maybe that's just a general bug then`
`03:03.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`explains you why i have /stopattack on my shadowmeld button =)`
`03:03.08`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it's dual purpose`
`03:03.11`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`03:04.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`O_o 100kb/s in combat`
`03:05.01`	`JJSheets`	`I never rely on autoshot tbh... never have touched it... I open with Arcane Shot and autoshot kicks in automatically...`
`03:05.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`not sure that's you, but i bet it is`
`03:05.04`	`JJSheets`	`heh`
`03:05.04`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`03:05.13`	`JJSheets`	`I'll run along and check now...`
`03:05.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, me neither; i only use it for turning off`
`03:05.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and as an indicator to let me know that it's on`
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`03:07.08`	`CIA-11`	`03gagorian * r32759 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua:`
`03:07.08`	`CIA-11`	`DrDamage:`
`03:07.08`	`CIA-11`	`-And one more check for buff textures`
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`03:09.29`	`Megalon`	`gn8 :o`
`03:11.26`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, is this 100kb/s in solo, or grouped combat?`
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`03:13.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`wsg`
`03:13.17`	`JJSheets`	`k`
`03:13.25`	`chuckg`	`Could it be when the battleground minimap was loading?`
`03:13.50`	`JJSheets`	`no I think I'm processing an event when any unit casts a spell not just player and pet.`
`03:14.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it's friggin massive, dude`
`03:14.55`	`CIA-11`	`03jjsheets * r32760 10InfiniBar/IB_Standard.lua: InfiniBar - Now Processing UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT and UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP only for player and pet.`
`03:15.04`	`JJSheets`	`you get a chance, try that out.`
`03:15.10`	`hyperChipmunk`	`on it`
`03:15.36`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's pretty significant, btw =x`
`03:15.42`	`JJSheets`	`yeah...`
`03:16.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`also explains the perpetual kb/s increase`
`03:16.20`	`JJSheets`	`thus the question about solo or grouped... I solo nearly always, so I'd never have noticed... :)`
`03:16.23`	`Diao`	`Hey`
`03:16.28`	`Diao`	`What text editor do you guys use`
`03:16.32`	`JJSheets`	`scite`
`03:16.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea me too`
`03:16.34`	`Diao`	`for localizations`
`03:16.36`	`hyperChipmunk`	`gvim`
`03:16.49`	`Diao`	`cause whenever I use textpad it converts it incorrectly :(`
`03:16.55`	`JJSheets`	`I'm afraid I don't do localizations. :)`
`03:17.30`	`Diao`	`gvim is for 'nix isn't it?`
`03:17.43`	`Thrae`	`Gvim has various ports, including Windows.`
`03:17.47`	`Diao`	`ah`
`03:17.56`	`Thrae`	`It has the best Lua syntax highlighting I have found in any editor.`
`03:18.07`	`Diao`	`I'll go google it then`
`03:18.33`	`Thrae`	`Not to say the others "suck", it's just a few small things Vim/Gvim is more explicit in highlighting which makes it easier to read.`
`03:18.42`	`Roartindon_`	`What's the most basic frame type to create in WoW?`
`03:18.44`	`Thrae`	`Compared to, say, SciTe`
`03:18.49`	`Diao`	`Does it do diffs?`
`03:19.05`	`Roartindon_`	`I want a frame just to position and put borders around`
`03:19.05`	`JJSheets`	`Roartindon_, CreateFrame("Frame")`
`03:19.06`	`Thrae`	`Diao: If you're using SVN, then SVN can do diffs`
`03:19.11`	`JJSheets`	`that's the most basic... :)`
`03:19.12`	`Roartindon_`	`Does that allow SetWidth/SetHeight during combat?`
`03:19.17`	`JJSheets`	`yes`
`03:19.30`	`Diao`	`Ah k`
`03:19.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, gvim's diff mode is one of the reason it rocks so hard`
`03:19.32`	`Roartindon_`	`okay great, that's everything I need :)`
`03:19.33`	`Thrae`	`Roartindon_: Only frames inheriting from Secure templates have combat restrictions`
`03:19.35`	`Diao`	`Thanks`
`03:20.14`	`Thrae`	`Roartindon_: By the way, idle on IRC more -- people have been asking for you ;)`
`03:20.18`	`JJSheets`	`Roartindon_, if you put secured frames as children of that frame, it becomes secured and combat locked as a result... :)`
`03:21.05`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, did that last commit improve things?`
`03:21.22`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32761 10Aloft/CoreModules/ (CastBar.lua Frame.lua HealthBar.lua):`
`03:21.22`	`CIA-11`	`Aloft`
`03:21.22`	`CIA-11`	`- New frame/border method creates an additional frame for backdrop and border purposes`
`03:21.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh wow, next melee stuff worked`
`03:21.47`	`JJSheets`	`:D`
`03:21.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, it's down to 60kb/s`
`03:21.51`	`JJSheets`	`I know :)`
`03:22.10`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's really handy`
`03:22.11`	`JJSheets`	`60? damn... still seems high to me... but hey that's 40 less than last time :p`
`03:22.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`might not be only you`
`03:22.27`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`03:22.43`	`Diao`	`gvim still doesn't show the characters translated`
`03:22.44`	`Diao`	`:(`
`03:22.50`	`JJSheets`	`okay... now to check out the shadowmeld macro of DOOOOOOOOM.`
`03:22.52`	`Diao`	`Notepad does but it doesn't show endlines properly`
`03:23.27`	`Thrae`	`Diao: If Windows doesn't have the correct fonts, then gvim won't be able to use them`
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`03:24.10`	`Kelben`	`hey anyone here?`
`03:24.20`	`JJSheets`	`No, we're all gone. :p`
`03:24.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`nobody here but us chickens`
`03:24.26`	`JJSheets`	`B'CAW!`
`03:24.41`	`Diao`	`well`
`03:24.44`	`Kelben`	`heh - i was wondering if its possible to assign raid symbols to people via a macro or something`
`03:24.57`	`Diao`	`in squeenix for example`
`03:25.04`	`Kelben`	`say i want to assigna star to person b, circle to b, and triangle to c`
`03:25.07`	`Diao`	`it displays as`
`03:25.09`	`Diao`	`["Border style"] = "외곽선"`
`03:25.12`	`Kelben`	`could i do that via a macro?`
`03:25.14`	`Diao`	`which shows the correct korean characters`
`03:25.22`	`break19`	`kelb ya`
`03:25.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Kelben: that should be scriptable`
`03:25.41`	`Diao`	`but in gvim it shows as ascii characters instead`
`03:25.45`	`Kelben`	`how would I do that - i'd like to use it for magth`
`03:25.52`	`Kelben`	`so we can make sure people are at their cubes`
`03:26.12`	`Thrae`	`Diao: That's because the editor you are using has the fonts or knows where the fonts are, and gvim and notepad do not`
`03:27.00`	`Diao`	`er`
`03:27.04`	`Roartindon`	`Does gvim support unicode?`
`03:27.04`	`Diao`	`Notepad is showing it properly`
`03:27.09`	`Diao`	`gvim isn't`
`03:27.29`	`Roartindon`	`Sadly, I use visual studio for editing lua on Windows... use vim on my mac`
`03:27.35`	`Thrae`	`Diao: Then gvim isn't using the correct fonts`
`03:27.44`	`Thrae`	`Roartindon: *nix naturally uses Unicode`
`03:28.05`	`Roartindon`	`Thrae: err.. that's a big generic... most *nix command line tools don't`
`03:28.10`	`Roartindon`	`and only support it via utf-8`
`03:28.18`	`Thrae`	`Diao: Your Windows setup isn't intuitive enough for gvim to know where the Unicode fonts are, so you'll have to install or find them`
`03:28.39`	`Thrae`	`Roartindon: UTF-8 is good enough for me`
`03:28.51`	`Kelben`	`any clue break19 or hyperchipmunk?`
`03:29.03`	`Roartindon`	`Thrae: But it's not good enough if the editor doesn't support UTF8`
`03:29.06`	`Roartindon`	`vim doesn't`
`03:29.09`	`Roartindon`	`so I'm guessing gvim doesn't`
`03:29.48`	`Kelben`	`or anyone else for that matter?`
`03:30.01`	`Thrae`	`Roartindon: Maybe it doesn't with your Mac setup, but my setup's default is UTF8 compatible`
`03:30.36`	`Roartindon`	`Thrae: running it via console`
`03:30.58`	`Thrae`	`Both of 'em, gvim and vim`
`03:32.41`	`break19`	`Kelben: i dont remember, but you can look it up via google`
`03:33.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea, vim handles the korean just fine`
`03:33.51`	`hyperChipmunk`	`in Urxvt, Bitstream Vera Sans Mono`
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`03:34.36`	`Diao`	`Hm`
`03:34.38`	`Diao`	`I'll just use babelpad`
`03:34.44`	`Diao`	`It works out of the box for me :p`
`03:34.47`	`Diao`	`I'm too lazy to configure stuff`
`03:34.48`	`vhaarr`	`Diao: cream.sf.net`
`03:35.19`	`Amadeo`	`Don't go, it's a porn site!`
`03:35.29`	`break19`	`that makes me wanna go`
`03:35.30`	`JJSheets`	`It's a TRAP!`
`03:35.32`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`03:35.33`	`Diao`	`lol`
`03:35.37`	`Diao`	`can't be`
`03:35.39`	`Diao`	`sf.net is sourceforge :o`
`03:35.48`	`Amadeo`	`or single female`
`03:35.51`	`vhaarr`	`Roartindon: vim supports Unicode just fine.`
`03:38.08`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, shouldn't that macro be: #showtooltip Shadowmeld /cast Shadowmeld /stopattack`
`03:38.59`	`JJSheets`	`or is use supposed to also be for spells?`
`03:39.10`	`JJSheets`	`/use I mean...`
`03:39.14`	`ckknight`	`hey, does anyone know if the mars/venus (male/female) symbols are part of the unicode charset?`
`03:39.24`	`Eternally777`	`Are there any tricks I can use to trace variable references so I can tell why my table values aren't getting GC'd like they should?`
`03:39.33`	`JJSheets`	`ckknight, they'd have to be... let me see if I can find em...`
`03:39.43`	`ckknight`	`thanks.`
`03:39.56`	`ckknight`	`kinda want to put it into DogTag ;-)`
`03:40.02`	`JJSheets`	`heh`
`03:41.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`actually, it's /cast [nocombat] shadowmeld /stopattack`
`03:41.22`	`JJSheets`	`k`
`03:41.30`	`JJSheets`	`I'll check that out...`
`03:42.00`	`JJSheets`	`ckknight, mars is Unicode number 0x2642, venus is 0x2640`
`03:42.49`	`break19`	`so, are all BEs gonna get the venus? heh`
`03:42.52`	`CIA-11`	`03next96 * r32762 10Bartender3/locales/Bartender3-koKR.lua:`
`03:42.52`	`CIA-11`	`Bartender3:`
`03:42.52`	`CIA-11`	`- Update locale koKR`
`03:42.55`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`03:43.19`	`JJSheets`	`lol break19 yeah, but only cause the men look and act like females. :p`
`03:43.23`	`break19`	`exactly my point`
`03:43.45`	`nymbia`	`could give dorf females mars, too >.>`
`03:43.52`	`break19`	`i mean, cmon.. one of the male BE jokes is "dont you wish your girlfriend was hot like me"`
`03:43.55`	`JJSheets`	`rofl`
`03:44.02`	`kenlyric`	`the men are more woman than the women could ever hope to be.`
`03:44.19`	`kenlyric`	`mine is still the prettiest.`
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`03:44.24`	`JJSheets`	`the belf women are just skinny little twigs... just my kind. :)`
`03:44.36`	`kenlyric`	`nothing like 13-year-old girls.`
`03:44.46`	`kenlyric`	`to appeal to the asian market.`
`03:44.50`	`break19`	`skinny twigs hell.. more like drugged out crack ho's`
`03:44.52`	`JJSheets`	`lol.`
`03:44.54`	`kenlyric`	`and, perverts like you.`
`03:44.56`	`nymbia`	`haha`
`03:45.13`	`JJSheets`	`well they are addicted to magic crack... so I say it's appropriate.`
`03:45.26`	`JJSheets`	`Belfs... the crack addicts of the WoW lore.`
`03:45.31`	`kenlyric`	`have you seen how the females sit? do you know how many manga whores I've seen sit just like that?`
`03:45.39`	`break19`	`my pinky is bigger around than they are..`
`03:46.02`	`kenlyric`	`they made the females jailbait and the males gay. Interesting choices.`
`03:46.17`	`kenlyric`	`perhaps a future patch will explore how new blood elves are made.`
`03:46.29`	`JJSheets`	`nah, the females are too tall to be jailbait... they're crack ho's.`
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`03:47.13`	`kenlyric`	`they made them taller so it wouldn't be so obvious. But yeah, they're modelled after anime women. And that means 13.`
`03:47.21`	`JJSheets`	`kenlyric, magic. Belf procreation is pure magic baby... immaculate conception, one belf male screws another and a random belf female is impregnated.`
`03:47.38`	`kebinusan`	`heroin chic`
`03:47.45`	`JJSheets`	`yea verily.`
`03:47.52`	`kenlyric`	`so, that's what happened to katie holmes`
`03:47.55`	`break19`	`JJSheets: lol`
`03:48.08`	`JJSheets`	`kenlyric, you catch on swiftly.`
`03:49.04`	`kenlyric`	`I often play my belf naked cause he makes me warm.`
`03:49.19`	`kenlyric`	`well, except for that big sword.`
`03:49.53`	`kenlyric`	`i'm gonna watch d-yikes again.`
`03:50.36`	`kenlyric`	`out of the 10 races though, you gotta admit if you were forced to have sex with one, you'd pick a belf.`
`03:51.12`	`kenlyric`	`well, except for the freaks that would pick the gnomes.`
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`03:51.22`	`JJSheets`	`ah... but for me it must be female... I'd rather screw a tauren female and a dorf female in a bizarre threesome than do any of the males...`
`03:51.24`	`kenlyric`	`d-yikes, the new south park episode.`
`03:51.42`	`kenlyric`	`well, the joke doesn't work if it's females, noob.`
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`03:52.22`	`JJSheets`	`sorry to ruin it for you... but I'll go with the cow and the stocky "little person".`
`03:52.24`	`break19`	`i'd rather have a dwarf fem.`
`03:52.44`	`break19`	`they got the attitude. :)`
`03:52.58`	`JJSheets`	`and the right height. ;)`
`03:53.03`	`break19`	`heh`
`03:53.18`	`break19`	`my wife is damn near a dorf anyway. heh`
`03:53.21`	`Aenslaed`	`is it possible to change the numbers that appear when you do damage to something in game? Not the font or the size, but the actual numbers.`
`03:53.24`	`break19`	`5'3" :p`
`03:53.32`	`kenlyric`	`man, the paladins on the ptrs make me giidy.`
`03:53.41`	`break19`	`Aenslaed: change em to what?`
`03:53.48`	`kenlyric`	`complaining that they can't be raid main healers anymore.`
`03:53.51`	`Aenslaed`	`like actual value x 1.5`
`03:53.57`	`Aenslaed`	`I want to play a little prank`
`03:54.01`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`03:54.02`	`break19`	`heh`
`03:54.56`	`Aenslaed`	`fraps with that mod`
`03:55.19`	`kenlyric`	`we don't call that a "trick" we call that a "fake"`
`03:56.11`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, add a #show Shadowmeld to your macro.`
`03:56.53`	`kenlyric`	`" I don't think the design goal was ever to have paladins heal a single target without ever worrying about reaching 0 mana, only to make them the best single target healers. " - BAH!`
`03:56.58`	`kenlyric`	`DIAFDIAF`
`03:57.25`	`JJSheets`	`DIAFDIAF? wtf is that?`
`03:57.33`	`kenlyric`	`die TWICE in a fire`
`03:57.33`	`Roartindon`	`double DIAF :)`
`03:57.42`	`JJSheets`	`ah.`
`03:57.53`	`kenlyric`	`like, getting battle rezzed on rag.`
`03:58.07`	`JJSheets`	`I was actually liking my pally... guess he'll be mothballed for a bit...`
`03:59.00`	`kenlyric`	`you can be relegated to your proper place.`
`03:59.09`	`kenlyric`	`being laughed at by priests.`
`03:59.17`	`kenlyric`	`it's been very trying to switch roles!`
`03:59.25`	`JJSheets`	`how are 'locks in 2.1?`
`03:59.39`	`kenlyric`	`except, of course, paladins actually also bring useful buffs too.`
`04:00.04`	`JJSheets`	`so pally == durable buff bot now huh...`
`04:00.31`	`kenlyric`	`dunno. They're probably still good main healers, and nothing will change. But I can hope.`
`04:00.47`	`kenlyric`	`though, a buff to priests would have been better than a nerf to pallies.`
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`04:01.04`	`JJSheets`	`heh.... so nobody knows anything about warlocks huh?`
`04:01.13`	`kenlyric`	`heck, screw even buffing priests. Just properly value spirit in itemization and all the troubles of the world would go away.`
`04:01.16`	`Zicon`	`Warlocks are purple.`
`04:01.17`	`kenlyric`	`warlocks always rock.`
`04:01.47`	`Aii\|sleep`	`kenlyric: except, say, the lack of either tankability or escape mechanisms in pvp`
`04:02.06`	`kenlyric`	`Because I care about PVP deeply.`
`04:02.09`	`Aii\|sleep`	`<3`
`04:02.19`	`JJSheets`	`okay... my question is rephrased then... how are locks in 2.1 PvE? :p`
`04:02.37`	`kenlyric`	`One day I'm going to go through all the patches and list every single nerf that happened because of PVP, so we can all know how they've made us suffer.`
`04:02.48`	`JJSheets`	`because I too care deeply about PvP... NOT.`
`04:03.38`	`Garoun`	`does anyone know of a better guild scheduling addon then GEM or GroupCalendar?`
`04:04.25`	`kenlyric`	`JJSheets: seems that pre 2.0, pallies and shammies excelled at buffs and spot healing, druids excelled at HoTs and priests excelled at single target healing. Now pallies excel at spot healing and single target healing and... errrr um... priests have shackle`
`04:05.03`	`JJSheets`	`heh. well... there goes the old pally... a walking healbot I am not...`
`04:06.38`	`kenlyric`	`what else are you? :)`
`04:06.40`	`Aii\|sleep`	`Garoun: http://wowace.com/wiki/Combine`
`04:06.57`	`Aii\|sleep`	`not sure on its development status tho`
`04:07.19`	`Garoun`	`I'll check it out, thank Aii :)`
`04:08.04`	`Garoun`	`all I really need is the scheduling/attendence... GC is getting annoying because it keeps forgetting to send me registrations from other people`
`04:08.16`	`Garoun`	`and GEM has that bug that kicks you out of AFK`
`04:08.39`	`JJSheets`	`I'm leveling a hunter and a warlock... possibly working on a rogue... and will likely be leveling a warrior too. I've always hated healer classes, but was leveling a pally for the fun of it...`
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`04:08.53`	`Garoun`	`I've been missing with shaman lately :)`
`04:08.59`	`JJSheets`	`I can't stand the first ten levels of shaman, and druids piss me off too. :)`
`04:09.03`	`Garoun`	`already did a 60 warrior and got sick of that getting nerfed`
`04:10.35`	`Garoun`	`it seems if you don't want your class nerfed, ask me not to play it :)`
`04:10.35`	`JJSheets`	`Garoun... stop playing WoW!`
`04:10.36`	`Garoun`	`lol`
`04:10.36`	`Garoun`	`it started back in DAOC on my cleric :P`
`04:10.36`	`Garoun`	`I went smite they nerfed smite, I went a weird AE/CC build they nerfed that ;)`
`04:10.36`	`JJSheets`	`go play Guild wars or something, Garoun. Quit nerf herding our game. :p`
`04:10.41`	`Garoun`	`lol`
`04:10.53`	`Garoun`	`I played an orc prot war and they nerfed def/rage/racial`
`04:11.03`	`Garoun`	`moved to tank druid.... well you get the picture`
`04:11.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`JJSheets: having #show Shadowmeld werks`
`04:11.47`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, I know I was using it earlier. :)`
`04:12.02`	`JJSheets`	`just before deleting the lvl 1 nelf.`
`04:12.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`just confirming for ya`
`04:12.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`O_o`
`04:12.12`	`JJSheets`	`heh`
`04:12.16`	`JJSheets`	`thanks for the help :)`
`04:12.22`	`hyperChipmunk`	`sometimes it disappears entirely though`
`04:12.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the one-button bar`
`04:13.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh, i bet that's because you have paging on by default`
`04:13.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yep`
`04:13.38`	`JJSheets`	`heh... yeah... that would make sense.`
`04:14.04`	`JJSheets`	`okay... so unlock new bars by default... Should I make new bars only have one page too?`
`04:14.15`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`04:14.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`or make it more visible than a slider`
`04:14.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`put a [ ] Paged`
`04:14.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and if it's checked, enable the slider`
`04:15.04`	`JJSheets`	`nah... I'll just default it to one page.`
`04:15.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`now the kefbind doesn't work-`
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`04:16.30`	`JJSheets`	`what's it set to?`
`04:16.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`1.0\IB_Standard.lua:1399: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)`
`04:16.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`what happened was, i deleted the last button and replaced it with a one-button bar`
`04:17.32`	`hyperChipmunk`	`then i set the hotkey to the new one, but when i opened the config again, the button 8 was still there on the old bar, also with the hotkey`
`04:17.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you don't seem to be unsetting hotkeys when new ones are set`
`04:18.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and i dunno why it came back =P`
`04:18.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and now that bar disappeared O_o`
`04:18.56`	`JJSheets`	`do a /rl`
`04:19.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea i just did`
`04:19.38`	`JJSheets`	`work or no work?`
`04:19.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but that isn't a real solution, nitwit`
`04:19.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`04:20.00`	`JJSheets`	`I know it ain't a solution, that was a band-aid so you'd quit crying. :p`
`04:20.08`	`hyperChipmunk`	`={`
`04:20.21`	`JJSheets`	`Well, I know what bug to fix next! :D`
`04:21.35`	`JJSheets`	`what did you do to make the bar disappear? :)`
`04:22.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like when i re-deleted button 8 after it came back`
`04:22.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i think`
`04:22.09`	`JJSheets`	`ah.`
`04:22.15`	`JJSheets`	`I'll try that out...`
`04:22.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i don't keep them very opaque`
`04:22.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so i didn't actually see when it flipped off`
`04:23.08`	`JJSheets`	`8 was the last button on the bar?`
`04:23.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`04:27.02`	`JJSheets`	`dos 2.1.0 have a way to delete frames? or would that be too damned logical?`
`04:28.15`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32763 10Aloft/CoreModules/ (Frame.lua HealthBar.lua):`
`04:28.15`	`CIA-11`	`Aloft`
`04:28.15`	`CIA-11`	`- Small tidy up of Frame code, slight modifications to HealthBar (no real functional changes)`
`04:32.37`	`CIA-11`	`03jjsheets * r32764 10InfiniBar/ (IB_Core.lua IB_Standard.lua):`
`04:32.37`	`CIA-11`	`InfiniBar - New Bars now have only one Actionbar page and are unlocked for`
`04:32.37`	`CIA-11`	`movement by default. Bars should no no longer hide when a button on them is`
`04:32.37`	`CIA-11`	`deleted. Also, keybinds should be properly removed from deleted buttons.`
`04:33.30`	`hyperChipmunk`	`good deal`
`04:33.37`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, working?`
`04:33.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`let's see how many new errors you've programmed in`
`04:33.45`	`JJSheets`	`roflmao`
`04:34.00`	`JJSheets`	`I thought that was too fast for a download and a reloadui...`
`04:37.39`	`hyperChipmunk`	`there's no background when you're in Zoomed style; hard to see empty buttons =x`
`04:37.53`	`JJSheets`	`but no errors?`
`04:37.57`	`JJSheets`	`heh`
`04:38.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`(just an observation)`
`04:38.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`still testing`
`04:40.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`looks good; only thing is you still allow a hotkey to be assigned to two different buttons, but it only works on one of them`
`04:41.03`	`JJSheets`	`k... I'll have to code something up to track that... shouldn't be difficult... I'm also working on the zoomed style...`
`04:41.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`if you can simply switch to default style when there's something on the cursor, that'd be an excellent solution`
`04:42.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and then when the button is dropped, it switches back to your custom one`
`04:43.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`switching styles doesn't seem to be too hard on the resources when i do it manually`
`04:43.34`	`JJSheets`	`I could do that... but then again, I could just add a background to the Zoomed style...`
`04:44.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i'd rather you didn't`
`04:44.33`	`JJSheets`	`but... I already have... :p`
`04:44.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i like the no-background`
`04:44.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but that's just me`
`04:44.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the only time i'd care to see it is when i'm dropping an icon`
`04:44.58`	`hyperChipmunk`	`besides that, being hidden is a good thing`
`04:45.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`obviously, either is acceptable =)`
`04:45.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`since i don't leave any buttons blank anyway`
`04:45.52`	`hyperChipmunk`	`just something i noticed when i was adding the new button to delete it`
`04:46.06`	`JJSheets`	`okay... I'll see if I can't program that in... but I need sleep. What I'll do is keep the zoomed background change, but also add a hide when empty except when dragging an action feature.`
`04:46.34`	`JJSheets`	`it goes on the list, along with the keybind bug, and gets worked on tomorrow.`
`04:46.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`nah, pick one or the other`
`04:47.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`get the bugs squashed before you add more options =x`
`04:47.28`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`04:48.18`	`JJSheets`	`bugs are always top of my list. :)`
`04:48.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i mean eliminating, not creating`
`04:48.42`	`art3mis`	`if i wanted to start a code project what would be a good way to host the svn that wouldnt be on my machine?`
`04:48.52`	`JJSheets`	`hyperChipmunk, hardy fucking har har. :p`
`04:48.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`>8D`
`04:49.00`	`JJSheets`	`art3mis, google code.`
`04:49.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`googlecode?`
`04:49.06`	`Thrae`	`art3mis: svn.wowace.com or code.google.com`
`04:49.33`	`JJSheets`	`yeah, google code... it's google`
`04:49.47`	`JJSheets`	`google's answer to sourceforge I mean...`
`04:49.51`	`JJSheets`	`damn enter key...`
`04:50.36`	`JJSheets`	`okay... I'm going to sleep now... ya'll have fun...`
`04:53.14`	`art3mis`	`well elts assume the project wouldnt be beneficial for wowace to host`
`04:53.16`	`art3mis`	`lets`
`04:54.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`thus, teh googlecode suggestions`
`04:54.06`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`04:54.08`	`art3mis`	`yeah`
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`05:12.08`	`CIA-11`	`03whitetooth * r32765 10RatingBuster/:`
`05:12.08`	`CIA-11`	`RatingBuster:`
`05:12.08`	`CIA-11`	`- Added Babble-Class-2.2 as external`
`05:12.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Things I need to do before I die, #776: http://xkcd.com/c249.html`
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`05:13.57`	`CIA-11`	`03sayclub * r32766 10FreeRefills/Core.lua: FreeRefills: Korean Typo fix`
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`06:21.54`	`PHL-Chuck`	`Is there a text based cooldown alert addon for ace2 that puts messages on SCT?`
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`06:34.32`	Funkeh`	`later`
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`06:43.36`	`CIA-11`	`03athou * r32767 10Taggle/ (Taggle.lua localization.lua):`
`06:43.36`	`CIA-11`	`Taggle:`
`06:43.36`	`CIA-11`	`- Some filters added`
`06:43.38`	`CIA-11`	`- New option to check the /say channel too`
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`07:01.42`	`ckknight`	`I still don't get how there's no way to delete frames.`
`07:01.57`	`ckknight`	`doesn't seem to be all that complicated`
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`07:02.10`	`ckknight`	`even if it was done through some internal recycling system`
`07:02.55`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`07:03.11`	`Fisker-`	`yarr nymbia`
`07:03.18`	`nymbia`	`~flee`
`07:03.21`	`purl`	`ACTION runs away screaming`
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`07:08.41`	`CIA-11`	`03athou * r32768 10Taggle/Taggle.lua:`
`07:08.42`	`CIA-11`	`Taggle:`
`07:08.42`	`CIA-11`	`- oops I forgot something`
`07:10.53`	`Cryect`	`ckknight: because Blizzard wants us all to learn proper reusing of frames and textures :-p`
`07:11.08`	`Cryect`	`so much more fun to keep track of them ourselves instead of deleting!`
`07:11.10`	`ckknight`	`no, that's not a real reason`
`07:11.21`	`Cryect`	`Yes, I know thats not a real reason`
`07:11.25`	`Cryect`	`hence the :-p`
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`07:12.20`	`Cryect`	`I mean it must support some sort of deleting of frames, otherwise what happens when you logout?`
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`07:12.49`	`Cryect`	`Though it might not delete the frames when we logout`
`07:14.13`	`Cryect`	`but its sure annoying having to rewrite(or copy and paste) frame management code if I'm doing something that only uses them for a short period of time`
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`07:23.29`	`CIA-11`	`BugSack:`
`07:23.29`	`CIA-11`	`- updated zhTW locale`
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`07:25.29`	`CIA-11`	`Bartender3:`
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`07:26.24`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32771 10Aloft/ (6 files in 2 dirs):`
`07:26.24`	`CIA-11`	`Aloft`
`07:26.24`	`CIA-11`	`- Removed Overlay and CastBarOverlay options`
`07:26.25`	`CIA-11`	`- Added backdrop color to CastBar and HealthBar options`
`07:26.27`	`CIA-11`	`- SetAll will no longer set fonts if the new size is the same as the previous one (stops all font sizes being set just by hovering over the dewdrop menu item)`
`07:26.33`	`CIA-11`	`- CastBarText now responds to set all font size option properly`
`07:27.38`	`Hjalte`	`How well does the increase combatlog settings work? Even when increasing the creature log range to something like 60 and standign 40 yard away, I'll still often miss bars from that boss`
`07:27.42`	`Hjalte`	`In bigwigs`
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`07:40.54`	`dotted`	`Hjalte not sure it can be changed any longer, or i just understood the author of NECB wrong`
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`07:49.33`	`Hjalte`	`I wish i were able to convince more people to use bigwigs instead of deadly bossmods :(`
`07:52.45`	`CIA-11`	`03cryect * r32772 10GraphLib/Graph-1.0/Graph-1.0.lua:`
`07:52.45`	`CIA-11`	`GraphLib`
`07:52.45`	`CIA-11`	`-Added highlighting to pie chart sections`
`07:52.45`	`CIA-11`	`-Fixed lines in between sections on pie charts`
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`08:05.54`	`evl`	`ckknight: PitBull getting quite stable now <3`
`08:05.54`	`ckknight`	`yep.`
`08:06.20`	`evl`	`ckknight: Small request, Show 5-man raid as party should imho count the compressed raid and not just the first group since most arena teams have benchers on team 2`
`08:06.40`	`ckknight`	`benchers?`
`08:06.43`	`ckknight`	`oh.`
`08:06.52`	`ckknight`	`people not playing, but on the team?`
`08:06.55`	`ckknight`	`or what?`
`08:07.07`	`evl`	`yeah`
`08:07.30`	`evl`	`But I guess that goes both ways, hmm :D`
`08:07.40`	`ckknight`	`I don't know how you'd check for that...`
`08:08.25`	`evl`	`Yeah I just realized`
`08:08.30`	`dotted`	`Hjalte whats mos to use whould always be the users choice - i hate guild leaders forcing you to use addons you dont want`
`08:08.49`	`evl`	`ckknight: there's also no way of setting ComboText to be [combo:hidezero] without modifying ComboPoints.lua`
`08:10.29`	`evl`	`ckknight: and lastly, i presume the name of a spell is sent as the spell starts casting thus no icon is shown for a player in mid cast?`
`08:10.47`	`ckknight`	`not sure`
`08:10.52`	`ckknight`	`didn't write that one`
`08:11.44`	`evl`	`other than those two it's working pretty good now, feels a lot lighter than agUF atleast`
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`08:19.36`	`Cryect`	`evl it doesn't matter when you first can actually see the unit, the icon information is always available via UnitCastingInfo so sounds like an implementation issue`
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`08:35.17`	`[Ammo]`	`mornng`
`08:35.34`	`Bruners`	`morning`
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`08:41.31`	`CIA-11`	`03nevcairiel * r32773 10Bartender3/Bartender3.toc: Bartender3: updated .toc`
`08:45.15`	`FISKER_Q`	`y helo thar nevcairiel`
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`08:48.43`	`[Ammo]`	`evl: it should show the icon midcast, since we use UnitCastingInfo`
`08:48.47`	`[Ammo]`	`even on the wacky frames`
`08:49.18`	`evl`	`[Ammo]: I tested it quite a lot yesterday, if I target myself then use my HS i get an icon, if i then detarget and retarget myself the icon is gone`
`08:49.32`	`[Ammo]`	`hrmf`
`08:49.53`	`[Ammo]`	`at least it's specific info :)`
`08:50.40`	`[Ammo]`	`should still work`
`08:50.41`	`[Ammo]`	`meh`
`08:51.18`	`[Ammo]`	`unless the icon is not returned`
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`08:52.26`	`evl`	`[Ammo]: I have no idea, it just doesn`
`08:52.28`	`evl`	`'t work :D`
`08:52.33`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Hmm i have seen missing icon too`
`08:53.17`	`FISKER_Q`	`http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/210/icons/icons_tier4.jpg <-wtf they finally figured out making icons for gear`
`08:53.26`	`FISKER_Q`	`about fucking time`
`08:53.30`	`Cryect`	`wow nice icons`
`08:53.36`	`Cryect`	`they actually look like the gear`
`08:53.55`	`trh`	`... and they always forget hunters... ALWAYS!`
`08:53.59`	`FISKER_Q`	`http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/210/icons/icons_weapons.jpg <-the glaive is probably azzinoth :o`
`08:54.11`	`FISKER_Q`	`hunters deserve being forgotten`
`08:54.12`	`FISKER_Q`	`;D`
`08:54.22`	Punkie`	`what's a hunter?`
`08:54.34`	`Cryect`	`I think that class you bring for misdirection`
`08:54.42`	`Cryect`	`and tranq shot before the expansion`
`08:54.43`	`[Ammo]`	`evl: well when you untarget target then I call UNIT_SPELLCASTIN_START properly, and it should just show the icon aagain`
`08:54.48`	`trh`	`FISKER_Q: if they had before that huge nerf after like 3 days ptr, i'd be happy`
`08:54.54`	Punkie`	`oh that ! :o`
`08:56.21`	`Bruners`	`will those icons be replaced in the next patch ?`
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`08:57.16`	`evl`	`FISKER_Q: i refuse to believe that getting Azzinoth would be any easier than getting Atiesh`
`08:58.08`	`trh`	`does that use of atiesh (port to karazhan) actually work?`
`08:58.15`	`trh`	`or does no one has that thing? ;)`
`08:58.21`	`evl`	`It works :)`
`08:58.51`	`FISKER_Q`	`of course`
`08:58.54`	`trh`	`nice.... would be a reason to get it even with 70... to avoid getting ganked while porting`
`08:58.56`	`FISKER_Q`	`it even worked before 2.0`
`08:59.09`	`FISKER_Q`	`well you just get ported outside the instance`
`08:59.19`	`trh`	`has it a cooldown?`
`08:59.24`	`FISKER_Q`	`dunno`
`08:59.30`	`Cryect`	`short cooldown`
`08:59.43`	`Cryect`	`I think its just a minute you can check thott or somthing`
`09:00.01`	`Cryect`	`yeah 1 minute`
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`09:00.04`	`Cryect`	`[04:48] <[Ammo]> e`
`09:00.06`	`Cryect`	`whoops`
`09:00.09`	`Cryect`	`http://thottbot.com/?sp=28148`
`09:01.24`	`trh`	`nice`
`09:02.08`	`evl`	`The new headpieces are pretty damn insane`
`09:02.15`	`evl`	`for PVE then are superior to T4`
`09:02.20`	`trh`	`the ones for 60 badges?`
`09:02.21`	`evl`	`just below T5`
`09:02.22`	`evl`	`Yeah`
`09:02.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`got a link?`
`09:02.31`	`evl`	`I feel a bit cheated since I just crafter Cobrascale Hood :(`
`09:02.32`	`trh`	`but 60 (!) badges ;)`
`09:02.37`	`renchap`	`~seen kaelten`
`09:03.06`	`purl`	`kaelten <n=chatzill@c-68-63-37-246.hsd1.al.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8d 3h 51m 45s ago, saying: 'thanks :)'.`
`09:03.06`	`evl`	`http://www.thottbot.com/test/i32087`
`09:03.06`	`evl`	`rogue one`
`09:03.06`	`evl`	`60 badges is so fast :P`
`09:03.07`	`Sparhawke`	`wait what? those headpiece are not that great`
`09:03.07`	`evl`	`I have all items I can get and still 24 badges in bank I can't use for shit`
`09:03.22`	`FISKER_Q`	`Is there a paladin healing headpiece?`
`09:04.22`	`trh`	`evl: you can get 2 primal nethers for them ;)`
`09:04.50`	`evl`	`nethers?`
`09:05.06`	`evl`	`2 druids + 2 rogues = stealth run AC, takes 15 mins :)`
`09:05.44`	`evl`	`I have Jewelcrafting and 6 Nehters in bank that I yet have zero use for, feel a bit cheated that there isn't any Epic craftable JC items, the Nightseye Panther is utter shit.`
`09:05.59`	`FISKER_Q`	`ckknight rawr`
`09:06.07`	`ckknight`	`anti-rawr`
`09:06.37`	`Cryect`	`AC = what instance? was doing Sethikk Halls but thats being fixed in 2.1`
`09:06.38`	`FISKER_Q`	`QQ`
`09:06.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`auchenai crypts i assume`
`09:06.50`	`Cryect`	`Oh crypts`
`09:06.53`	`FISKER_Q`	`How does stuff like click2cast work? :P`
`09:07.11`	`FISKER_Q`	`Would be cool if you could bind stuff to specific frames`
`09:07.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`FISKER_Q: Magic.`
`09:07.18`	`FISKER_Q`	`oh`
`09:07.24`	`Diao`	`Why do you have nethers if you don't need them for JC O_o`
`09:07.39`	`FISKER_Q`	`Then it should be no problem to use some magic to let it be able to differientate against frames`
`09:08.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, magic cant do that. you need to sacrifice more chinese farmerse.`
`09:08.16`	`FISKER_Q`	`I sacrifice 2-3 a day`
`09:08.32`	`ckknight`	`FISKER_Q: you could theoretically make it do different things for different frames.`
`09:09.15`	`FISKER_Q`	`then i just need you or ag to make it happen :P`
`09:09.22`	`Laricwork`	`FISKER_Q making a usable interface for that would be an nightmare i guess :P`
`09:09.31`	`FISKER_Q`	`Just that i'd like that my right click action not to apply to my playerframe`
`09:09.37`	`Laricwork`	`FISKER_Q have you looked at clique?`
`09:09.37`	`FISKER_Q`	`since that is used for the menu`
`09:09.42`	`FISKER_Q`	`nah`
`09:09.52`	`FISKER_Q`	`just installed click2cast yesterday because we were on magtheridon trash`
`09:09.58`	`FISKER_Q`	`motherfuckers :P`
`09:10.03`	`CIA-11`	`03helium * r32774 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2.lua:`
`09:10.03`	`CIA-11`	`Babble-2.2:`
`09:10.04`	`CIA-11`	`- Babble-Zone: updated and checked for zhTW locale`
`09:10.47`	`[Ammo]`	`FISKER_Q: clique might be able to do what you want`
`09:10.51`	`FISKER_Q`	`awesome`
`09:10.53`	`[Ammo]`	`otherwise, patch click2cast :p`
`09:10.58`	`FISKER_Q`	`wtf lol`
`09:11.13`	`FISKER_Q`	`The burning legion breached the dark portal defenses`
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`09:11.25`	`FISKER_Q`	`But then they went out of combat and back again`
`09:11.26`	`FISKER_Q`	`pussies`
`09:12.50`	`FISKER_Q`	`clique is on wowi i guess right?`
`09:12.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes.`
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`09:13.25`	`trh`	`FISKER_Q: i once kitet the pit commander to the guards, and they were so busy fighting him 3 of the felguards ran through the portal`
`09:13.32`	`trh`	`FISKER_Q: but they jsut despawned there.. lame`
`09:13.52`	`FISKER_Q`	`:o`
`09:14.17`	`FISKER_Q`	`Suddenly, on the other side, 3 challengers appeared`
`09:14.31`	`trh`	`no, i went on the other side to look ;)`
`09:15.00`	`FISKER_Q`	`would be lmao if WoW supported cross-instance mobs`
`09:15.08`	`trh`	`kazzak ;)`
`09:15.21`	`FISKER_Q`	`There was some game where mobs would follow you through levels`
`09:15.52`	`trh`	`hehe.. would certainly stop the out of the instance running if you got add and are about to die`
`09:17.27`	`FISKER_Q`	`probably wouldn't be so enjoyable for randoms standing outside`
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`09:21.26`	`FISKER_Q`	`clique looks awesome`
`09:21.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it is rather nice`
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`09:42.01`	`FISKER_Q`	`can you solo prince malchezzar?`
`09:42.01`	`FISKER_Q`	`:D`
`09:42.22`	Bibi`ouF	`[10:53:53] <FISKER_Q> http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/210/icons/icons_weapons.jpg <-the glaive is probably azzinoth :o`
`09:42.27`	Bibi`ouF	`i don't think it is`
`09:42.35`	Bibi`ouF	`i'm not even sure that azzinoth will be a glaive`
`09:42.38`	Bibi`ouF	`:/`
`09:43.00`	`FISKER_Q`	`why wouldn't it?`
`09:43.18`	Bibi`ouF	`Item Set: The Twin Blades of Azzinoth`
`09:43.19`	Bibi`ouF	`The set gives these bonuses as more pieces are worn:`
`09:43.19`	Bibi`ouF	`2: Increases attack power by 200 when fighting Demons.`
`09:43.19`	Bibi`ouF	`2: Your melee attacks have a chance to increase your haste rating by 450 for 10 sec.`
`09:43.44`	Bibi`ouF	`will probably post something about it later`
`09:44.05`	`FISKER_Q`	`yeah?`
`09:44.26`	`FISKER_Q`	`Thw Twin Blades of Azzinoth = the 2 glaive's he has had equipped for years`
`09:44.33`	`FISKER_Q`	`although now they don't have a bunny on them anymore`
`09:44.34`	`FISKER_Q`	`:/`
`09:45.19`	Bibi`ouF	`or maybe Blizzard is just stupid and will use the two same icons and the two same models for each one`
`09:45.22`	Bibi`ouF	`in this case, it sucks.`
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`09:45.44`	`FISKER_Q`	`Can't see why they wouldn't`
`09:45.55`	`FISKER_Q`	`Lorewise i would be pissed if they didn't`
`09:46.10`	Bibi`ouF	`dunno, i'm probably expecting too much from blizzard ^^`
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`09:47.08`	Bibi`ouF	`(and i haven't been sleeping a lot lately. thanks blizz !)`
`09:48.22`	`FISKER_Q`	`tsk`
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`09:48.42`	`FISKER_Q`	`I got malchezzar down to 99%`
`09:48.43`	`FISKER_Q`	`!!!`
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`09:50.35`	Bibi`ouF	`damn, the priest set make a lot of races look like the emperor in star wars`
`09:52.12`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`09:52.28`	`nevcairiel`	`i still havent seen a screenshot of the full druid set`
`09:52.30`	`nevcairiel`	`only the cover`
`09:52.42`	Bibi`ouF	`got one on my screenshot post somewhere`
`09:53.12`	Bibi`ouF	`should be named www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/210/druid_final.jpg`
`09:53.12`	Bibi`ouF	`yeah, me wins !`
`09:53.22`	`Megalon`	`looks like an indian`
`09:53.23`	`Megalon`	`or something`
`09:53.33`	`nevcairiel`	`mm`
`09:53.41`	`nevcairiel`	`why cant they give druid robes again?`
`09:54.29`	`Megalon`	`because they intend every specc to be shifted?`
`09:54.29`	Bibi`ouF	`i'll put up screenshots of the tier 6 later in the day actually`
`09:54.29`	`Megalon`	`;D`
`09:54.30`	Bibi`ouF	`i worked on it before sleeping and finishing it right now`
`09:55.14`	`FISKER_Q`	`How do you get the shields and stuff skinned?`
`09:55.21`	`FISKER_Q`	`WoWModelViewer shows them as white`
`09:55.30`	`FISKER_Q`	`and my warcraft studio just plain out sucks in displaying them`
`09:55.54`	Bibi`ouF	`someone gave me the screenshots`
`09:56.00`	Bibi`ouF	`wait`
`09:56.05`	Bibi`ouF	`i'm talking about the northrend shield`
`09:56.22`	Bibi`ouF	`otherwise most of the skins are fixed by adding the localized MPQ from the wowtest data directory`
`09:56.28`	Bibi`ouF	`(the enGB/enUS/etc... ones)`
`09:56.44`	`FISKER_Q`	`oh`
`09:56.52`	`sylvanaar`	`ckknight are you sure about the performancefu numbers? if you are around. its showing 26000s for ace2 after 5 min running`
`09:57.15`	`ckknight`	`the library situation is fucked`
`09:57.25`	`ckknight`	`now if you think the numbers are wrong, you are right`
`09:57.28`	`ckknight`	`there's no way to fix it`
`09:58.21`	`sylvanaar`	`ah, the namsepace numbers seem ok`
`09:58.51`	`sylvanaar`	`its the per-addon numbers cpu and memory that is messed up`
`09:59.54`	`sylvanaar`	`i believe it, code profiling is not that easy`
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`10:03.35`	`sylvanaar`	`im thinking im going to localize more of my functions so they cant be profiled`
`10:04.52`	`trh`	`sylvanaar: got some profiling addon for 2.1.0. ready? =)`
`10:04.54`	`chuckg`	`False positive.`
`10:06.34`	`sylvanaar`	`no not really, i just added some code to prat so you could see profiling information on the same menus, i posted about making it a generic mixin perhaps, but it needs more thought`
`10:08.49`	`sylvanaar`	`i have been using ckk's tools performancefu and debugfu`
`10:09.21`	`trh`	`ya, i use performancefu too, guess it'd be nice to add a option to select a specific addon to watch`
`10:09.29`	`ckknight`	`a solution like debugfu seems much more viable, especially since we have our whole library mess`
`10:09.34`	`trh`	`maybe whining to ckk to implement it helps ;)`
`10:10.19`	`ckknight`	`but clearly, we should somehow hook Discord/CT/Cosmos and make it seem like it's taking up all the CPU usage`
`10:10.23`	`sylvanaar`	`i think the cpu time is off by 2 orders of magnitude`
`10:10.37`	`ckknight`	`sylvanaar: that could be true.`
`10:10.44`	`ckknight`	`care to run some tests?`
`10:10.56`	`sylvanaar`	`test just crashed`
`10:10.57`	`ckknight`	`you just do a sleep or something like it`
`10:11.28`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, ill try a hard loop`
`10:11.51`	`ckknight`	`that was what I was thinking`
`10:11.57`	`ckknight`	`make it sleep for 0.1 seconds`
`10:12.09`	`ckknight`	`100 times or something`
`10:12.20`	`ckknight`	`and then check if it takes 10 s or 1000 s :-P`
`10:12.53`	`sylvanaar`	`there is a post about it in the 'consice list' thread at the end`
`10:15.06`	`CIA-11`	`03helium * r32775 10FuBar_PerformanceFu/PerformanceFuLocale-zhTW.lua:`
`10:15.06`	`CIA-11`	`FuBar_PerformanceFu:`
`10:15.06`	`CIA-11`	`- updated zhTW locale`
`10:17.45`	`FISKER_Q`	`ckknight i was suggesting donngle`
`10:17.47`	`FISKER_Q`	`dongle*`
`10:19.11`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Well, aside from the obvious PR problems it'd cause when someone poke in the code and posted it "exposing" the Ace community for their evil ways . . .`
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`10:19.49`	`nevcairiel`	`you can easily blame memory usage on other addons`
`10:19.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`You'd ideally want to do some sort of scan to see which other libraries/structures are present, and then BlameHook something actually running on a user's system.`
`10:20.03`	`nevcairiel`	`i somehow managed to blame alot of bt3 mem usage onto waterfall :P`
`10:20.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Either randomly or by an arbitrary priority.`
`10:20.10`	`nevcairiel`	`and all other stuff ends up on Ace2`
`10:20.19`	`nevcairiel`	`because of AceOO usage`
`10:20.32`	`ckknight`	`...`
`10:20.39`	`ckknight`	`AceOO is quite efficient, actually`
`10:20.43`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah`
`10:20.54`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Ace2 getting the load of blame surprises me very little.`
`10:20.55`	`nevcairiel`	`but using it causes the mem usage to end up on Ace2 :p`
`10:21.14`	`ckknight`	`actually AceEvent is what's causing most of the pain`
`10:22.13`	`nevcairiel`	`i still wonder how i blamed Waterfall`
`10:22.24`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Also: Dammit, the GenCon forums are STILL fricking down.`
`10:22.26`	`nevcairiel`	`i placed a memory hog loop below the waterfall:Register() call`
`10:22.30`	`nevcairiel`	`and it got the blame :P`
`10:22.34`	`nevcairiel`	`just because i called it before`
`10:23.56`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I did kinda like Cryect's pie-chart memory usage thing, though.`
`10:29.09`	`CIA-11`	`03trh * r32776 10VanasKoS/ (9 files in 3 dirs):`
`10:29.09`	`CIA-11`	`VanasKoS:`
`10:29.10`	`CIA-11`	`- internal changes to the sorting options`
`10:29.10`	`CIA-11`	`- added owner search`
`10:29.10`	`CIA-11`	`- added filtering/searching in pvpstat list`
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`10:29.23`	`sylvanaar`	`UG) Prat 2.0 -Ace2-:[05:23:54.538] initial 9999.0110944453,0,17437.29760512`
`10:29.27`	`sylvanaar`	`oops`
`10:29.58`	`Daemona`	`me like fubar_performancefu cpu profiling`
`10:30.01`	`Daemona`	`me happy`
`10:30.02`	`Daemona`	`:D`
`10:32.05`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`10:32.09`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`10:32.21`	`nevcairiel`	`me going to lunch, me back later`
`10:32.23`	`sylvanaar`	`ok function, addon, script api call times`
`10:32.27`	`sylvanaar`	`05:30:20 (DEBUG) Prat 2.0 -Ace2-:[05:30:20.435] initial F:0, A:0, S:601`
`10:32.48`	`sylvanaar`	`10 sec hard loop`
`10:32.50`	`sylvanaar`	`05:30:30 (DEBUG) Prat 2.0 -Ace2-:[05:30:30.440] final F:9999, A:12274608, S:601`
`10:33.23`	`sylvanaar`	`clearly wrong`
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`10:36.30`	`trh`	`can't we hook the profiling functions to display lower numbers for ace2? ;)`
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`10:38.06`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r32777 10ClosetGnome_Tooltip/: ClosetGnome_Tooltip: create dir explanation in next commit.`
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`10:40.13`	`Daemona`	`sylvanaar just had a quick look at it on PTR but i need it badly on live to figure out what really slows me down in raids ;)`
`10:41.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Someone at Blizzard needs to fix the procedural texture for Acid Geyser.`
`10:41.14`	`Silviu-`	`Daemona i think u have to wait ..`
`10:41.25`	`Silviu-`	`Till 2.1 goes live`
`10:41.30`	`Daemona`	`(smurf voice) i hate waiting`
`10:41.41`	`sylvanaar`	`it doesnt work well lol`
`10:41.45`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I've got a pretty damn fast machine with dual 7800 GTXs in SLI, and that thing makes it so I can barely move. Half the guild -can't- move when they're hit with it.`
`10:42.12`	`Daemona`	`hit with what?`
`10:42.17`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r32778 10ClosetGnome_Tooltip/ (ClosetGnome_Tooltip.lua ClosetGnome_Tooltip.toc):`
`10:42.17`	`CIA-11`	`ClosetGnome_Tooltip: add set names to the gametooltip when hovering over inventory or paperdoll.`
`10:42.17`	`CIA-11`	`I keep forgetting what items are used in what set on my alts :)`
`10:42.26`	`sylvanaar`	`i dont think that UpdateAddOnCPUUsage() works`
`10:42.51`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Acid Geyser. It's an attack that some of the Collossussi (sp?) in Serpentshrine Cavern use.`
`10:42.58`	`sylvanaar`	`need to find the table its keeping`
`10:43.02`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Cone AoE nature DoT.`
`10:43.04`	`FISKER_Q`	`ah`
`10:43.06`	`Daemona`	`aaah yeah now i get it`
`10:43.17`	`Daemona`	`not my problem, i am not allowed to melee anyway on those mobs :(`
`10:43.24`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hrm. It'd be Collossi?`
`10:43.26`	`Daemona`	`so i just alt-tab and read forums`
`10:43.30`	`FISKER_Q`	`The bubbles in coilfang is pretty fucked also if you use fullscreen glow`
`10:43.34`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Melee isn't a concern.`
`10:44.00`	`Daemona`	`dunno, if the raidleader tells me to stay behind casters on max range, i do so ^^`
`10:44.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`They pick either highest ranged aggro, or RSTS, not sure which, and nail someone with it. Unless it's the tank, that generally means the entire raid is hit.`
`10:44.13`	`Daemona`	`told several times that you can force aggro to prevent the acid on the raid but well`
`10:44.43`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm reasonably certain it's highest ranged aggro, because it's usually a paladin or our shadow priest.`
`10:44.49`	`CIA-11`	`03helium * r32779 10ACP/localization-zhTW.lua: ACP: updated zhTW locale`
`10:45.01`	`Daemona`	`well it got 30 y target range`
`10:45.05`	`clad\|work`	`sylvanaar: That table is stored on the C side, and isn't exposed to Lua at all. If you have concerns about the numbers, let me know and I can pass any messages onto Slouke n`
`10:45.09`	`Daemona`	`so i guess you can outrange it easily`
`10:45.23`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`That's not the point.`
`10:45.39`	`clad\|work`	`The memory usage is working correctly tho, we did some testing on that the other day, and it seems satisfactory`
`10:45.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`even if it's not hitting you, if it's your field of view, the procedural texture is such a massive graphics lag spike . . .`
`10:45.57`	`Daemona`	`yeah`
`10:46.11`	`Daemona`	`its like phase shift on thaddius with bad connection -.-`
`10:46.20`	`Daemona`	`or the razorgore zone`
`10:46.21`	`Daemona`	`...`
`10:46.28`	`Daemona`	`eeek a wet clad`
`10:46.39`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Phase shift was nowhere near this bad.`
`10:46.53`	`Stephmw`	`hmmm... clad at work in shower?`
`10:46.56`	`Daemona`	`not mentioning i got bad fps all over SSC`
`10:47.31`	`Daemona`	`perhaps he is a pool attendant?`
`10:47.39`	`Morgh\|Sleep`	`haha`
`10:48.39`	`sylvanaar`	`there is my concern right there the per addon number is corrupt`
`10:49.13`	`sylvanaar`	`and larger than the number for the scripting system as a whole`
`10:50.39`	`sylvanaar`	`clad\|work if GetScriptCPUUsage() < GetAddOnCPUUsage("name") then Fix(Bug) end`
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`10:55.14`	`CIA-11`	`03shiftos * r32780 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: esES updated in Zone`
`10:55.25`	`FISKER_Q`	`WTB mainbag upgrades`
`10:55.35`	`FISKER_Q`	`i want 100 slots in my inv`
`10:55.39`	`CIA-11`	`03shiftos * r32781 10Bartender3/locales/Bartender3-esES.lua: Bartender3: esES updated`
`10:55.56`	`trh`	`FISKER_Q: hehe.. at least you don't have to have a quiver that's smaller then your usual bags :(`
`10:56.09`	`CIA-11`	`03shiftos * r32782 10FuBar_PerformanceFu/PerformanceFuLocale-esES.lua: FuBar_PerformanceFu: esES updated`
`10:57.04`	`nevcairiel`	`trh: get a bigger one?`
`10:57.20`	`trh`	`nevcairiel: 18 slots maximum, there are no bigger quivers`
`10:57.25`	`trh`	`nevcairiel: and i got 20slot bags`
`10:57.57`	`nevcairiel`	`sucks to be a hunter then :)`
`10:58.02`	`trh`	`true :(`
`10:58.17`	`[Ammo]`	`well they also boost your attack speed`
`10:58.25`	`[Ammo]`	`so you get 15% attack speed for 2 slots`
`10:58.32`	`trh`	`ammo: yes, thats the reason why i have to use one ;)`
`10:58.38`	`nevcairiel`	`i know, thats why i didnt recomment getting another 20slot :p`
`10:58.47`	`nevcairiel`	`hmm`
`10:59.05`	`trh`	`oh.. they disabled smartbuff/casting through mousewheel actions by addons`
`10:59.07`	`nevcairiel`	`i drycoded some changes to bt3, but i am at work and cant test .. but my fingers are itching to commit`
`10:59.10`	`trh`	`(in 2.1.)`
`10:59.18`	`clad\|work`	`sylvanaar: Okay, have you posted that anywhere?`
`10:59.23`	`sylvanaar`	`clad\|work im not even sure what the memory usage number is telling me, and I am a technical person. what is it meant to show? does it include the "code" size also?`
`10:59.46`	`clad\|work`	`it includes all memory that has been allocated, and is currently still resident in memory for the given addon.`
`11:00.03`	`nevcairiel`	`too bad it doesnt really work with ace2 :(`
`11:00.14`	`clad\|work`	`nevcairiel: what doesn't work about it?`
`11:00.21`	`nevcairiel`	`all mem gets blamed on ace2`
`11:00.24`	`nevcairiel`	`and not my addon`
`11:00.33`	`FISKER_Q`	`i can test for you nevcairiel`
`11:00.43`	`clad\|work`	`that wasn't what we got in our testing in the lounge the other day`
`11:01.17`	`sylvanaar`	`clad\|work someone posted that hey thought the number was microseconds but i cant really relate it back to anything, did you see my example after a 10 sec hard loop`
`11:01.29`	`clad\|work`	`sylvanaar: no, i got d/c last night`
`11:01.32`	`nevcairiel`	`I am using standalone libraries, using AceOO, and i added like a gazillion table creations to one function, and Ace2 moved up to 50mb :P`
`11:01.48`	`sylvanaar`	`05:30:20 (DEBUG) Prat 2.0 -Ace2-:[05:30:20.435] initial F:0, A:0, S:601`
`11:01.56`	`clad\|work`	`nevcairiel: If the table constructor was in Ace2, then that's why its being blame`
`11:01.57`	`sylvanaar`	`05:30:30 (DEBUG) Prat 2.0 -Ace2-:[05:30:30.440] final F:9999, A:12274608, S:601`
`11:02.06`	`clad\|work`	`no profiling system for wow will be able to fix that.`
`11:02.14`	`nevcairiel`	`clad\|work: maybe its only an issue if you use AceOO, tho .. not sure.`
`11:02.40`	`clad\|work`	`shrug its a tool, and its far from perfect, especially given the way Ace works`
`11:02.41`	`clad\|work`	`shrug`
`11:02.57`	`nevcairiel`	`PTR crashed then and i couldnt test anymore`
`11:03.02`	`clad\|work`	`hehe`
`11:03.04`	`clad\|work`	`pTR sux for that`
`11:03.06`	`clad\|work`	`imo :P`
`11:03.12`	`nevcairiel`	`gimme alternatives :P`
`11:03.18`	`clad\|work`	`working on my ff quest was painful`
`11:03.25`	`nevcairiel`	`gimme gold :(`
`11:03.27`	`trh`	`there should be a ptr exclusive for addon testers.. never crashing and stuff ;)`
`11:03.34`	`clad\|work`	`either way`
`11:03.49`	`clad\|work`	`sylvanaar and nevcairiel: if you have tests, please email me them to me, and I'll do what I can to address them with Slouken`
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`11:04.08`	`clad\|work`	`he's put a lot of work into the profiling and memory usage systems, and he'd like them to be as correct as possible, within reason`
`11:04.17`	`evl`	`http://www.ropetown.com/shared/void-dead.jpg`
`11:04.17`	`nevcairiel`	`Oh one thing that was weird`
`11:04.18`	`evl`	`lol`
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`11:04.22`	`evl`	`creative raiders ftw!`
`11:04.42`	`nevcairiel`	`I placed some memory usage after a simple call to waterfall:Register() . and it blamed waterfall for the memory`
`11:04.48`	`nevcairiel`	`i could try to setup a test case later`
`11:05.21`	`clad\|work`	`if you're interested in getting it fixed, doing that and letting me know would be a good step towards getting it fixed`
`11:05.24`	`clad\|work`	`he can still tweak 2.1`
`11:05.54`	`nevcairiel`	`will try to reproduce it when i get back home`
`11:06.02`	`nevcairiel`	`stupid work laptop wont run wow :P`
`11:06.10`	`clad\|work`	`base tests with Ace2 and Dongle, and CT_Mod's libraries seemed to come across okay, with the first addon getting blamed for the library usage, but subsequent stuff being blamed on the consuming addon, as expected.`
`11:06.24`	`clad\|work`	`gotta go run the dog out, brb`
`11:08.37`	`nevcairiel`	`sounds good tho`
`11:08.41`	`Daemona`	`ropetown just copied http://www.nihilum.co.uk/news/43/ i guess ;)`
`11:08.51`	`Daemona`	`@ evl`
`11:09.09`	`evl`	`pretty funny still :D`
`11:09.53`	`sylvanaar`	`clad\|work someone already posted a test case http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=63167579&sid=1&pageNo=17`
`11:10.02`	`nuoHep`	`Daemona, ropetowns void reaver kill was before nihilum's alar kill`
`11:10.14`	`Daemona`	`was just a guess ;)`
`11:10.19`	`kovi`	`the white cum tauren is best`
`11:10.21`	`kovi`	`:D`
`11:11.25`	`clad\|work`	`sylvanaar: I figured Veni would be on that one =_)`
`11:11.30`	`FISKER_Q`	`i will fight in the shade nevcairiel`
`11:11.31`	`clad\|work`	`the memory one still needs to be addressed tho`
`11:11.51`	`FISKER_Q`	`Why haven't anyone reported them Daemona?`
`11:11.51`	`nevcairiel`	`FISKER_Q: what? :D`
`11:12.02`	`FISKER_Q`	`You wanted to commit something with bartender`
`11:12.06`	`FISKER_Q`	`and i'm liek whoa`
`11:12.12`	`FISKER_Q`	`commit!`
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`11:12.50`	`nevcairiel`	`nah, too much stuff to find and fix bugs remotely`
`11:13.04`	`sylvanaar`	`almost looks like they are reading their c table with the wrong struct member alignment lol`
`11:13.10`	`nevcairiel`	`its nothing new anyway`
`11:13.16`	`nevcairiel`	`just cleaning and whatnot`
`11:16.25`	`nevcairiel`	`Hm`
`11:16.38`	`nevcairiel`	`I need to create a 2.1.0 branch`
`11:16.48`	`FISKER_Q`	`put in some new features`
`11:17.10`	`nevcairiel`	`hm not yet, only trying to clean stance stuff with the new stack feature`
`11:18.10`	`nevcairiel`	`whoever came up with the state stack idea`
`11:18.17`	`nevcairiel`	`a good man :D`
`11:21.24`	`FISKER_Q`	`what's that about?`
`11:21.43`	`nevcairiel`	`you can push and pop states in transition rules, so save them for later usage`
`11:24.38`	`nevcairiel`	`CHAT_RESTRICTED = "A trial account may only send whispers to characters that have you on their friends list.";`
`11:24.41`	`nevcairiel`	`interesting`
`11:24.51`	`vhaarr`	`that's not new in 2.1`
`11:25.20`	`nevcairiel`	`the string is new in 2.1 globalstrings`
`11:25.31`	`nevcairiel`	`and, i could whisper anyone from my trial account 2 weeks ago`
`11:25.36`	`FISKER_Q`	`^^`
`11:25.40`	`vhaarr`	`hm`
`11:25.52`	`FISKER_Q`	`Anyways won't solve anything unless they restrict the number of friends you can add each time`
`11:25.55`	`vhaarr`	`I was sure I had seen that in 2.0.12`
`11:25.56`	`vhaarr`	`oh well`
`11:26.13`	`nevcairiel`	`FISKER_Q: it says your target must have you on friendlist`
`11:26.23`	`FISKER_Q`	`doh`
`11:26.24`	`FISKER_Q`	`yeah`
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`11:26.27`	`FISKER_Q`	`just realized`
`11:27.01`	`nevcairiel`	`kinda sucks tho, how am i going to ask the person to add me then ? :P`
`11:27.18`	`nevcairiel`	`I hope i dont need a trial account for chatting again soon`
`11:27.29`	`vhaarr`	`since you gave him the account, you obviously have a means of communicating outsite wow`
`11:27.39`	`vhaarr`	`outside*`
`11:28.20`	`FISKER_Q`	`you can give them a say`
`11:28.21`	`nevcairiel`	`nah, my account had a 3 day ban, and i created a trial to be able to chat with my ingame friends`
`11:29.31`	`Megalon`	`nevcairiel: bad boy!`
`11:29.34`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`what'd you get a stage 2 ban for?`
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`11:30.08`	`nevcairiel`	`I reported to a GM that my account was hacked ( i still dont know how - oh well ), because i lost 3 stacks of primals`
`11:30.18`	`Elkano`	`hmm... that new buff/debuff stuff for other units looks cool, I think I'll hack it into EBB ^^`
`11:30.26`	`nevcairiel`	`the GM confirmed that the primals where send with mail at a time when i was at university`
`11:30.48`	`nevcairiel`	`a day later i got banned for account sharing`
`11:31.07`	`Megalon`	`hrhr`
`11:31.12`	`nevcairiel`	`and that on a friday, so my ban expired until some guy from the account admin answered on monday`
`11:33.40`	`nevcairiel`	`I answered a survey once, where they asked if i would use a usb-drive-password-thing`
`11:33.45`	`nevcairiel`	`i would get one right now :P`
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`11:37.39`	`FISKER_Q`	`permanently banned nevcairiel?`
`11:37.55`	`nevcairiel`	`nah`
`11:37.57`	`nevcairiel`	`only 3 day`
`11:38.08`	`nevcairiel`	`from friday to monday`
`11:38.11`	`nevcairiel`	`sucked, really :P`
`11:38.35`	`Megalon`	`also got a 3d ban over a weekend once`
`11:38.43`	`Megalon`	`it was like, wtf boringness prevails`
`11:38.44`	`Megalon`	`>:<`
`11:38.55`	`nevcairiel`	`i wouldnt actually mind it during the week`
`11:38.56`	`FISKER_Q`	`a friend of mine got permanently banned for account sharing`
`11:39.01`	`FISKER_Q`	`then he was like "dude wtf gtfo"`
`11:39.04`	`nevcairiel`	`i work and study most of the time anyway`
`11:39.05`	`FISKER_Q`	`and they made it a warning instead`
`11:39.27`	`Elkano`	`wrt: name, rank, icon, count, duration, timeLeft = UnitBuff("target", i) <- duration and timeleft are returned as what? seconds? and duration is the maxtime for that buff?`
`11:39.31`	`nevcairiel`	`perma ban for first offense is hard`
`11:39.52`	`nevcairiel`	`Elkano: log on PTR and /dump it :p`
`11:40.08`	`FISKER_Q`	`wasn't really first offense :P`
`11:40.11`	`FISKER_Q`	`first time he got caught though`
`11:40.19`	`FISKER_Q`	`he shared with like 10 of his friends`
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`11:40.30`	`nevcairiel`	`Elkano: probably seconds`
`11:42.21`	`Elkano`	`didn't install PTR... my hd is to small ^^'`
`11:42.48`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`11:42.53`	`Megalon`	`hm`
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`11:43.10`	`nevcairiel`	`but yeah, probably duration = maxtime and timeleft .. well whats left :P`
`11:43.14`	`sbu`	`The duration and timeleft are set if they are buffs/debuffs that you cast. The return values are now sorted so your buffs and debuffs are returned in the first indices. (e.g. yours, yours, others, ...)`
`11:43.15`	`sbu`	`this is nice`
`11:43.16`	`nevcairiel`	`only works for your own debuffs iirc`
`11:43.26`	`nevcairiel`	`oh`
`11:43.28`	`nevcairiel`	`that reminds me`
`11:43.49`	`nevcairiel`	`i finally can detect if my deadly poisons are at 5 stacks, or if thats another rogue`
`11:44.03`	`Elkano`	`could someone ask for a timemax return value for buffs/debuffs on the player? <3`
`11:44.16`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`11:44.29`	`sbu`	`timemax? :o`
`11:44.43`	`nevcairiel`	`i wouldnt be surprised if it actually worked on buffs on you`
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`11:45.46`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway, time to quit work and go to university, laters`
`11:46.09`	`Elkano`	`hmm... I could hack up the current EBB and someone could test it for me... anyone steps ahead?`
`11:47.17`	`Megalon`	`Elkano: it returns seconds`
`11:47.30`	`sbu`	`Elkano: you want to hack up target-buff display?`
`11:47.42`	`Elkano`	`sbu, that's already in ^^`
`11:47.58`	`sbu`	`yeah but highlighting of YOUR buffs on that target`
`11:48.10`	`Elkano`	`but 2.1.0's additional return values aren't yet`
`11:48.28`	`Elkano`	`sbu, do you have PTR installed?`
`11:48.30`	`sbu`	`yep`
`11:48.34`	`sbu`	`uhon`
`11:48.40`	`sbu`	`uhoh :)`
`11:49.22`	`CIA-11`	`03elkano * r32783 10ElkBuffBars/ElkBuffBars.lua:`
`11:49.22`	`CIA-11`	`ElkBuffBars`
`11:49.22`	`CIA-11`	`- added support for 2.1.0's additional target buff time return values`
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`11:50.17`	`Elkano`	`mind testing it? create an additional bargroup, set it's target to target and select yourself. then try mixing your own and other players buffs on yourself`
`11:52.53`	`CIA-11`	`03elkano * r32784 10ElkBuffBars/ElkBuffBars.lua: ElkBuffBars - bugfix`
`11:58.03`	`CIA-11`	`03elkano * r32785 10ElkBuffBars/ElkBuffBars.lua: ElkBuffBars - bugfix`
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`12:05.47`	`CIA-11`	`03elkano * r32786 10ElkBuffBars/ElkBuffBars.lua: ElkBuffBars - bugfix`
`12:06.56`	`Megalon`	`bugfix rampage? :D`
`12:07.28`	`Saroz_`	`l2svncomment`
`12:07.43`	`Megalon`	`;c`
`12:08.57`	`Elkano`	`lol... someone look at the dodge chance of Levelten from US Stormrage server :/ level 10 char with 120% dodge :/`
`12:09.13`	`Industrial`	`o_O`
`12:09.16`	`Industrial`	`WHAT?`
`12:10.15`	`Industrial`	`I dont see him on the armory Elkano`
`12:10.32`	`Elkano`	`id, did you check us or eu armory?`
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`12:10.40`	`Industrial`	`eu`
`12:10.43`	`Industrial`	`oh`
`12:10.45`	`Industrial`	`lol :P`
`12:11.22`	`kenlyric`	`hax`
`12:11.34`	`kenlyric`	`bug with that item being boe or something?`
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`12:11.54`	`Industrial`	`thats sick`
`12:12.00`	`Megalon`	`hrhr`
`12:12.27`	`Megalon`	`the cloak: +12 dodge rating gives him 26% dodge alone from that item :D`
`12:13.01`	`kenlyric`	`no, I mean the trinkets`
`12:13.15`	`Megalon`	`oh`
`12:13.16`	`Industrial`	`yeh`
`12:13.19`	`Megalon`	`two arena masters`
`12:13.20`	`Megalon`	`:x`
`12:13.40`	`Industrial`	`so thats like... nothing can hit her?`
`12:13.42`	`Industrial`	`ever?`
`12:13.46`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`No.`
`12:14.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`It'll still cap at an effective max dodge rating.`
`12:14.08`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I forget if it's 95% or 98%.`
`12:14.08`	`kenlyric`	`75%?`
`12:14.11`	`Industrial`	`at that point, you > wow.`
`12:14.22`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Also . . . spells ftw.`
`12:16.00`	`kenlyric`	`all the defenses are capped at 75%`
`12:16.56`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Ah.`
`12:16.58`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Well, there you go.`
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`12:19.02`	`kenlyric`	`that's just a guess, btw.`
`12:19.09`	`undu`	`Well, I think the combat tables are a bit complicated to be honest. But noone will know for sure untill it's made public knowledge.`
`12:19.17`	`kenlyric`	`but armor mitigation and resists are both capped at 75%, so it stands to reason.\`
`12:19.29`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I know AC is capped at 75%.`
`12:19.51`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`No . . . . resists can be binary (all/none) or increments of 25% - including full (no damage)`
`12:20.19`	`Gamefaq`	`nevcairiel around?`
`12:20.54`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I dunno on the whole dodge thing. I know the game -reports- 80%+ resist rates for rogues with evasion.`
`12:21.01`	`kenlyric`	`effective total resist rate is capped at 75%`
`12:21.04`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`err, dodge rates.`
`12:21.09`	`kenlyric`	`individuall resists can be whole, of course.`
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`12:29.32`	`Fisker-`	`WTF`
`12:29.50`	Bibi`ouF	`http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=107.0`
`12:29.56`	`Fisker-`	`1 Primal Fire for a major fire protection`
`12:29.57`	Bibi`ouF	`I've got too much free time, way too much.`
`12:29.58`	`Fisker-`	`lolololol`
`12:30.22`	`Fisker-`	`Btw how does that helm effect for warlocks work?`
`12:30.25`	`vhaarr`	`Fisker-: In 2.1 it will create 5 pots from 1, afaik.`
`12:30.28`	`Fisker-`	`Pretty useless if it's only on equip`
`12:30.34`	`Fisker-`	`i fucking hope so vhaarr :P`
`12:30.36`	Bibi`ouF	`probably only on equip yeah`
`12:30.37`	`sbu`	`UD priest looks hot`
`12:30.40`	`sbu`	`(male)`
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`12:31.34`	Bibi`ouF	`if it's not only on equip, it's gonna be retarded in a few months when we'll have hundreds of warlocks running in Shattrath with wings which are 3 times their size`
`12:32.29`	Punkie`	`watch this and you can see what it looks like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5cGEqSDz6I`
`12:34.36`	Bibi`ouF	`yeah i've got the video somewhere in a previous news`
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`12:34.39`	`FISKER_Q`	`It's gonna be retarded if it doesn't show up other than on equip though`
`12:34.47`	`FISKER_Q`	`Hopefully it'll be like a proc in combat`
`12:35.27`	Punkie`	`would be an awesome killing blow animation tbh`
`12:35.40`	Bibi`ouF	`it would sucks in battlegrounds tho`
`12:35.52`	Bibi`ouF	`"LOOK I M KILLING PEOPLE ! SHOOT AT THE DANGEROUS GUY WITH GIANT WINGS !"`
`12:36.01`	Bibi`ouF	`spell reflect anyone ? ^^`
`12:36.32`	Punkie`	`it's like anything`
`12:36.45`	Punkie`	`like when hand of rag used to be the 'OMFG KIEL ME' weapon`
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`12:38.22`	`beerke`	`anyone noticed that you can't set keybindings for bartender on PTR ?`
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`12:42.03`	`kenlyric`	Punkie`: benediction
`12:42.14`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r32787 10!SurfaceControl/SurfaceControl.lua: !SurfaceControl: Bugfix when only SharedMedia is available.`
`12:43.48`	Punkie`	`hehe`
`12:44.00`	`FISKER_Q`	`omg`
`12:44.02`	`FISKER_Q`	`prat broke it`
`12:44.15`	`FISKER_Q`	`Did sylvanaar add friend highlighting or something?`
`12:44.27`	Punkie`	`And damn, what's up with the new wave of 'The most sex woman in the world' threads on the forums again :(`
`12:44.27`	`[Ammo]`	`anyone know if you can feed IsItemInRange an itemid instead of an english name?`
`12:44.31`	`[Ammo]`	`(probably can but hey)`
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`12:46.57`	`sbu`	`most sex? woman where?`
`12:48.32`	`renchap`	`Who made the Buu layout in pitbull ?`
`12:48.32`	`CIA-11`	`03sayclub * r32788 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2.lua:`
`12:48.32`	`CIA-11`	`Babble-2.2:`
`12:48.33`	`CIA-11`	`- Babble-Zone-2.2.lua : Updated localization koKR`
`12:49.14`	Punkie`	`sbu, i'd link it but the link inside leads to a keylogger so i better not :P`
`12:49.56`	`sbu`	`oh`
`12:49.56`	`sbu`	`so the hot chicks play wow? :/`
`12:50.04`	`sbu`	`or want to play but dont have an account`
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`12:55.39`	`knarf-`	`sbu usually the hot chicks get they bf to get them account ^^`
`12:55.44`	`knarf-`	`their*`
`12:55.55`	`sbu`	`hm :/`
`12:56.06`	`knarf-`	`an account*`
`12:56.49`	`sbu`	`hmmmm`
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`12:56.58`	`sbu`	`320gb for 90eur`
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`12:58.56`	`CIA-11`	`03nickenyfiken 07Nickenyfiken * r32789 10FuBar_TrainerFu/TrainerFu.lua: FuBar_TrainerFu: Added more known skill filtering.`
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`13:06.37`	Bibi`ouF	`http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=108.0 someone reached exalted with netherwing :p`
`13:07.40`	`kenlyric`	`illidan smacked them.`
`13:07.49`	`kenlyric`	`well, threatened to smack.`
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`13:07.56`	`Mikma`	`what's up with the face on that orc`
`13:08.07`	Bibi`ouF	`it's a disguise`
`13:08.12`	`kenlyric`	`there's a bug, also`
`13:08.19`	`kenlyric`	`you can get the mount without getting exalted.`
`13:08.49`	`CIA-11`	`03jerry * r32790 10Talented_Data/Talented_Data_enUS.lua: Talented_Data: update enUS`
`13:08.50`	`Stephmw`	`there is?`
`13:09.43`	`JoshBork1`	`i like how there's Private Thod: BLizzard Entertainment standing there`
`13:09.53`	`winkiller`	`anyone bothered getting an equip comparison from armory with itemids, etc?`
`13:10.08`	`Fisker-`	`kenlyric no the shifting to an orc/netherdrake just bugs sometimes`
`13:10.33`	`kenlyric`	`Fisker-: ah, I never noticed what the people riding them were like.`
`13:10.50`	`Fisker-`	`They lose the orc disguise but keep the mount i believe`
`13:11.12`	`CIA-11`	`03shiftos * r32791 10ClosetGnome/locales/esES.lua: ClosetGnome: esES updated`
`13:11.57`	`CIA-11`	`03shiftos * r32792 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/Locale-esES.lua: ClosetGnome_Switcher: esES updated`
`13:12.16`	`Fisker-`	`probably gonna take a month or so for the quick people`
`13:12.23`	`Fisker-`	`i hate daily quests`
`13:15.07`	`the_squid`	`might I ask`
`13:15.12`	`the_squid`	`are the cloth turn-in quests daily now?`
`13:15.28`	`Fisker-`	`dunno`
`13:15.35`	`the_squid`	`I fkn hope not :P`
`13:15.37`	`Killmore`	`I dont know if im in a good place to ask this question but, anyone know an addon to know which addons take what ressource ?`
`13:17.10`	`kenlyric`	`cloth turn what?`
`13:17.11`	`Fisker-`	OH WOW Bibi`ouF
`13:17.15`	`kenlyric`	`nobody does those, right?`
`13:17.23`	`Fisker-`	`"I am unable to comment on the mechanics of any chat filters we have in place in game, for obvious security reasons. However, we prefer for players not to post any URLs in chat, as we are unable to actively monitor the content of any such sites linked. "`
`13:17.26`	`Fisker-`	`lolololololol`
`13:17.32`	`the_squid`	`i get a choice of runecloth or do AV quests.`
`13:17.38`	Bibi`ouF	`Fisker- : link ?`
`13:17.42`	`the_squid`	`I pick whichever is the lesser of the two evils at the time :P`
`13:17.46`	`kenlyric`	`uh, you've done all the quests for that faction?`
`13:17.46`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=277777823&sid=1`
`13:17.58`	`Fisker-`	`Tried to get your site unblocked :P`
`13:18.15`	`the_squid`	`I'm too lazy to do level 10 quests :P`
`13:18.25`	`kenlyric`	`but it's so much faster. Takes a couple hours.`
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`13:18.31`	Bibi`ouF	`people don't link that much in game tbh Fisker-`
`13:18.38`	`kenlyric`	`it took me 4 hours to get from revered to exalted with darnassus at level 49.`
`13:18.49`	`kenlyric`	`just running back to teldrassil.`
`13:19.12`	`Fisker-`	`i do :O`
`13:19.53`	`the_squid`	`maybe i should`
`13:21.01`	`kenlyric`	`unless you're going for a gnome mount.`
`13:21.11`	`Mikma`	`Fisker-: what site is blocked?`
`13:21.18`	`kenlyric`	`there's not enough quests to get you to exalted.`
`13:21.33`	`the_squid`	`i'm halfway through revered`
`13:21.39`	`the_squid`	`for IF`
`13:21.49`	`Mikma`	`return cloth`
`13:23.42`	`Stephmw`	`and the bonus is... if you still have some cloth left afterwards, you can sell it :)`
`13:25.28`	`the_squid`	`let me do a quick calculation`
`13:25.30`	`the_squid`	`that's...`
`13:26.16`	`Stephmw`	`... a lot of cloth.`
`13:26.38`	`the_squid`	`close to 3000!`
`13:26.39`	`kenlyric`	`if you haven't done any of the goober quests for IF, then at least do those first.`
`13:26.53`	`kenlyric`	`that'll take you maybe 45 minutes, tops.`
`13:27.24`	`kenlyric`	`(goober = 1-5 quest area)`
`13:29.11`	`CIA-11`	`03trh * r32793 10VanasKoS/ (7 files in 3 dirs): VanasKoS: bugfix, file merging`
`13:32.21`	`the_squid`	`aww thanks kenlyric`
`13:34.17`	`kenlyric`	`http://ctscreens.net/2389`
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`13:37.53`	`the_squid`	`kenlyric, my partner beat you, gnome oh a horse at level.... 47 i think`
`13:38.13`	`kenlyric`	`I'd have gotten it earlier if it had been an option earlier.`
`13:38.41`	`the_squid`	`does darn get a proper repeatable quest?`
`13:38.51`	`kenlyric`	`darnassus rep is a little rougher than stormwind, so I had to do a bunch of feralas quests.`
`13:39.08`	`the_squid`	`thats annoying`
`13:39.16`	`kenlyric`	`plus, I didn't discover the repg gain with grey quests thing until that week.`
`13:39.30`	`kenlyric`	`darnassus has marrowgrain quest if you need to round out some corners.`
`13:39.43`	`kenlyric`	`but it sucks, runecloth is better.`
`13:39.58`	`the_squid`	`if you have the money`
`13:40.02`	`the_squid`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:40.22`	`kenlyric`	`stormwind faction is the easiest alliance faction to get.`
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`13:40.39`	`the_squid`	`really?`
`13:41.00`	`the_squid`	`arent there mroe darn/IF questgivers at 1-40 though?`
`13:41.04`	`kenlyric`	`well, maybe ironforge.`
`13:41.09`	`kenlyric`	`no, not darn.`
`13:41.46`	`kenlyric`	`I got ironforge exalted without doing the 6-10 quest area on ironforge, so I imagine they're the easiest.`
`13:42.00`	`kenlyric`	`though I have gone to azuremist yet.`
`13:42.04`	`kenlyric`	`*haven't`
`13:48.11`	`JoshBork1`	`i wasn't able to hit exalted with SW`
`13:48.19`	`JoshBork1`	`even though i did every quest`
`13:49.01`	`JoshBork1`	`course, i did this before you got full rep no matter the level you did the quest`
`13:49.38`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, and then the quests gave less rep anyway.`
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`13:50.02`	`JoshBork1`	`yep`
`13:50.31`	`kenlyric`	`my hunter is 25, is revered with darn, exodar, and stormwind, and honored with gnomer and ironforge.`
`13:50.35`	`kenlyric`	`err, 35.`
`13:50.48`	`kenlyric`	`my old priest never even got honored with gnomer :)`
`13:51.20`	`the_squid`	`wwwlol`
`13:51.22`	`the_squid`	`www?`
`13:51.24`	`the_squid`	`lol i mean`
`13:51.24`	`the_squid`	`nice`
`13:51.39`	`kenlyric`	`if you don't do the gnomergan instance, you cut out a good chunk of gnome rep.`
`13:52.17`	`kenlyric`	`even now, on my current priest, I couldn't make it exalted... though I could do the IF 6-10 quests and see how close I get.`
`13:52.25`	`kenlyric`	`but meh... can't ride the mount anyway.`
`13:54.14`	`the_squid`	`that sucks`
`13:54.18`	`Industrial`	`How do I raise a Texture?`
`13:54.21`	`the_squid`	`everyone should be allowed mechanostriders :P`
`13:54.55`	`trh`	`if build by a gnome or goblin they'd break if a tauren gets on it`
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`13:55.07`	`Industrial`	`for*`
`13:55.30`	`kenlyric`	`what's the point of cobra reflexes?`
`13:55.39`	`Industrial`	`http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/1971/wowscrnshot041607155423kg5.jpg`
`13:55.39`	`kenlyric`	`caster interruption?`
`13:55.48`	`trh`	`and it does additional damage`
`13:56.03`	`trh`	`its 30% attack speed, but only ~15% dmg reduction`
`13:56.06`	`Industrial`	`i cant get my player frame texture on top of the bars :(`
`13:56.32`	`kenlyric`	`hmmm... that's nice... plus talents to crit more and flurry of of crits would benefit from more hits.\`
`13:57.23`	`trh`	`i'd be happy if they fix the base agi => crit/dodge rating`
`13:57.48`	`trh`	`when they changed the lwsser agi to more crit rating thing they forgot about the base agi`
`13:58.16`	`kenlyric`	`I need to look up the hardcore math for hunters. I know agility -> is 1 to 1, but agility gives you crit too, so I think I'm undervaluing it.`
`13:58.34`	`kenlyric`	`errrr, agility -> AP`
`13:58.44`	`trh`	`kenlyric: ya, they changed it from ~52 agi = 1% crit to ~33agi = 1% crit (at level 60)`
`13:58.57`	`trh`	`kenlyric: but the base agi still calculates with the old 52 agi formula`
`13:59.04`	`trh`	`kenlyric: the agi from equipment with the new one`
`13:59.11`	`kenlyric`	`eek.`
`13:59.17`	`trh`	`kenlyric: so hunters miss ~1.5% crit and a few percent dodge because of that`
`13:59.31`	`kenlyric`	`lots of the old levelling gear still has 1agi=2ap,`
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`14:00.27`	`kenlyric`	`crits don't seem that important to me while levelling, since I don't have any talents that proc off my crits, and no damage bonus to crits.`
`14:00.27`	`trh`	`kenlyric: try HunterAEP for evaluating your gear =)`
`14:00.31`	`trh`	`kenlyric: it's pretty good ;)`
`14:00.34`	Funkeh`	`hi`
`14:01.15`	`kenlyric`	`speaking of crits being useless, I found out this weekend that our shadow priest is hardcore stacking crit gear.`
`14:01.19`	`trh`	`kenlyric: don't underestimate crit if you're BM and specced gftt in MM`
`14:01.40`	`kenlyric`	`once I get that high, yeah, I'll think about crit more.`
`14:01.52`	`*** join/#wowace Phatrik (n=whatdahe@217-209-42-83-no89.tbcn.telia.com)`
`14:02.08`	`kenlyric`	`there's a BM talent that procs of crits that I'm getting in a few levels.`
`14:02.22`	`kenlyric`	`As it stands, AP gear is pretty rare, so I'm stacked high in agility anyway.`
`14:02.31`	`*** join/#wowace sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@205-196-182-22.static.cmts1.phonoscope.net)`
`14:02.31`	`trh`	`kenlyric: ah.. yeah.. ferocious inspiration.. it's nice, but not that important, it's only 3% damage when maxed`
`14:02.33`	`*** join/#wowace Vegeta]BT[ (n=Vegeta-G@xdslea053.osnanet.de)`
`14:03.02`	`trh`	`kenlyric: equipment doesnt matter until 50, just go BM ;)`
`14:03.16`	`trh`	`kenlyric: you can even level with resurrection sickness as bm`
`14:03.25`	`kenlyric`	`heh, yeah.`
`14:03.39`	`Stephmw`	`kenlyric: later on there's also the AP enchants`
`14:03.50`	`kenlyric`	`I was fighting an orange-level mob yesterday, trying to figure out what was taking so long when I realized he was elite.`
`14:03.59`	`Stephmw`	`lol`
`14:04.31`	`kenlyric`	`http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Kargath&n=Brizza`
`14:04.38`	`trh`	`kenlyric: with 46 you can get elixir of the mongoose, doesnt cost much if you're a herbalist with your main, and it gives you alot of damage :)`
`14:04.42`	`kenlyric`	`anyway, shadow priest stacking crit gear... is there any reason that's not dumb?`
`14:05.02`	`trh`	`maybe mind blast for arena pvp?`
`14:05.25`	`kenlyric`	`nope, raiding, and didn't take shadow powewr which gives 15 more crit to that spell.`
`14:05.43`	`Mikma`	`kenlyric: i'm stacking +dmg and +crit on my shadowpriest`
`14:05.58`	`trh`	`Mikma: do the dots crit?`
`14:05.59`	`Stephmw`	`+dmg I can understand, but +crit makes it unpredictable`
`14:06.14`	`Mikma`	`trh: don't know actually`
`14:06.28`	`trh`	`Mikma: with warlocks they don't, so +spellcrit is wasted on them`
`14:06.28`	`Mikma`	`mindblast and shadow word: death crit quite alot`
`14:06.33`	`kenlyric`	`consider: stacking his crit rate only gives him 15%... 5 talent points gives him 15 more.`
`14:06.34`	`trh`	`at least if affliction specced`
`14:06.48`	`kenlyric`	`Mikma: but you get no value from crits.`
`14:06.57`	`Mikma`	`trh: that's the reason why i usualy look +dmg more than critvalue`
`14:07.05`	`vhaarr`	`Mikma: DoT's can't crit. You should be stacking +dmg and regen.`
`14:07.06`	`kenlyric`	`it's a straight 150% damage. No talents proc off of them.`
`14:07.15`	`vhaarr`	`Crit is a total waste on shadow priests.`
`14:07.26`	`kenlyric`	`crit is never worth it if you're getting the base 150% damage and no specials.`
`14:07.36`	`Mikma`	`vhaarr: yeah, my mind has been saying that +dmg is the only good thing for shadowpriest for some reason :D`
`14:07.42`	`kenlyric`	`even less so if you're using abilities that don't crit at all.`
`14:07.49`	`Mikma`	`didn't even know that dot's can't crit and such, but anything that raises the damage of spells is good`
`14:08.20`	`kenlyric`	`I just wanted some reassurance before i approached him about his choices in gear :)`
`14:08.24`	`trh`	`on hunters crit is very very handy because a crit does 230% damage =)`
`14:08.33`	`trh`	`(at least if you spec the points in MM)`
`14:09.02`	Funkeh`	`crit isn't a total waste, its useful, although debatable with the new swd changes, but the real thing is it should be low prio, +dmg is no1, never sacrifice anything for crit`
`14:09.23`	`kenlyric`	`heck, holy priests want crit more than shadow priests.`
`14:09.34`	`kenlyric`	`we at least have one ability that procs from crits`
`14:09.58`	`trh`	`kenlyric: isn't aggro a problem with high crits as a holy priest?`
`14:10.14`	`kenlyric`	`yes. That was kinda my point :)`
`14:10.20`	`kenlyric`	`it's still a low priority for us :)`
`14:10.26`	`trh`	`lol =)`
`14:10.49`	`kenlyric`	`honestly, if there was a better place to spend points than in the 5% crit and inspiration, I would.`
`14:10.57`	`vhaarr`	`Critting is not a problem for priests.`
`14:11.06`	`Mikma`	`kenlyric: and btw. the reason with +crit is that they usually are in the same package, +dmg and +crit :/`
`14:11.25`	`kenlyric`	`Mikma: nah, our other shadow priest has about 250 more damage, and much, much less crit.`
`14:11.36`	`kenlyric`	`then again, he has frozen shadowweave...`
`14:11.39`	`Mikma`	`kenlyric: crit is bad when playing with others`
`14:11.42`	`vhaarr`	`You never gain more aggro than the amount of healing done, so whether or not you crit is irrelevant.`
`14:11.45`	`Mikma`	`it usually steals aggro from mobs`
`14:11.58`	`Mikma`	`i don't like it that much, i'll rather just dot the mob and wand them or so :D`
`14:12.01`	`kenlyric`	`vhaarr: this is true.`
`14:12.23`	`kenlyric`	`I dislike the overhealing of crit, not the aggro.`
`14:12.45`	`trh`	`vhaarr: but aren't 2 "small heals" without crit over 6 seconds better than 1 crit heal in 3 seconds, for the tank to hold aggro?`
`14:12.51`	`kenlyric`	`but, inspiriation is a nice tradeoff for the overhealing.`
`14:12.54`	`vhaarr`	`trh: obviously`
`14:13.10`	`vhaarr`	`In 5-mans you can usually time GHeals so that there's room for a crit anyway.`
`14:13.12`	`kenlyric`	`prayer of mending > * for the tank to hold aggro :)`
`14:13.15`	`trh`	`vhaarr: usually it shouldn't be a problem if the tank can actually tank`
`14:13.51`	`Mikma`	`oh YEAH! http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21859 i made those yesterday for myself`
`14:13.55`	`kenlyric`	`tank can't do much if a pally starts laying into him with healing during the pull.`
`14:13.55`	`Mikma`	`there aren't +crit in them :D`
`14:14.33`	`kenlyric`	`PANTS`
`14:14.59`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, I wish I had the timing luxury in karazhan.`
`14:15.02`	`Industrial`	`pantsu pantsu pantsu!`
`14:15.05`	`trh`	`kenlyric: but the hunter can save the day by using misdirection ;)`
`14:15.19`	`kenlyric`	`hunter? wassat?`
`14:15.34`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: ping`
`14:15.50`	`kenlyric`	`I think we had one of those last week.`
`14:15.51`	`trh`	`kenlyric: the class you see in winterspring farming yetis, often named Faseaf`
`14:16.02`	`kenlyric`	`with a boar named boar`
`14:16.12`	`trh`	`ya, or a bear named bear, or a cat named cat`
`14:16.17`	`trh`	`damn, they are creative :)`
`14:16.20`	`Mikma`	`wtf. did anyone look at the items in this: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21859`
`14:16.25`	`Mikma`	`look, theres 2 chests listed :D`
`14:16.34`	`Mikma`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21861 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21862`
`14:16.35`	`Mikma`	`hehe`
`14:16.55`	`kenlyric`	`which is why the set bonus only requires three.`
`14:17.05`	`kenlyric`	`because you can only wear one of them.`
`14:17.23`	`*** join/#wowace evl (n=fuckoff@c85-196-101-98.static.sdsl.no)`
`14:17.24`	`kenlyric`	`all the dress chess pieces which are crafted should give you that option of robe or vest.`
`14:17.27`	`Mikma`	`yeap :) but never seen anything like that before, kinda cool that you can choose one`
`14:17.31`	`kenlyric`	`*chest`
`14:17.33`	`trh`	`i wish i had a two-headed ogre that could wear 2 headpiece`
`14:17.34`	`trh`	`s`
`14:17.44`	`art3mis`	`http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4025/kekuj9.jpg <-- This morning's wtf?`
`14:17.47`	`kenlyric`	`Runecloth robe/tunic let you choose.`
`14:17.49`	`Mikma`	`trh: like the april fools back then`
`14:18.04`	`trh`	`Mikma: ya, it'd be awesome to play one :)`
`14:18.19`	`Mikma`	`trh: with friend... "This way no that way!"`
`14:18.30`	`trh`	`Mikma: would be AWESOME :)`
`14:18.32`	`art3mis`	`with the help of his fridn and ape named ape`
`14:18.43`	`CIA-11`	`03jjsheets * r32794 10InfiniBar/ (IB_Core.lua IB_Standard.lua): InfiniBar - Added a Background to the Zoomed Button Style. Temporary fix for weird binding bug. Bug fixes including not allowing a scale of 0.`
`14:18.46`	`trh`	`Mikma: at least if you can chose the person you want to play it with ;)`
`14:18.53`	`art3mis`	`with george george george of the jungle`
`14:18.59`	`Mikma`	`trh: hehe yeah.`
`14:19.09`	`Mikma`	`let's see if i can find the image`
`14:19.16`	`trh`	`Mikma: imagine a two-headed ogre from the classes warrior and warlock, you'd be fucked!`
`14:19.37`	`kenlyric`	`no... hunter and warrior.`
`14:19.47`	`kenlyric`	`a warlock can actually do damage in melee range :)`
`14:19.50`	`Mikma`	`trh: btw, ever watched those 2 headed ogres while they're not in combat?`
`14:19.51`	`JJSheets`	`art3mis, pass the Eye-Bleach, I just looked at that pic...`
`14:20.05`	`art3mis`	`i did sorta warn ya ;P`
`14:20.09`	`Stephmw`	`trh: nah, brains aren't additive, they're multiplicative... 0.5brains * 0.5brains = 0.25brains...`
`14:20.11`	`Mikma`	`the ogre punches the other head in the face every now and then :D`
`14:20.12`	`trh`	`kenlyric: then you still got the deadzone.. ok.. you could charge.. but also nice ;)`
`14:20.19`	`trh`	`Stephmw: hrhr`
`14:20.20`	`JJSheets`	`where the hell do you find these strange wtf's?`
`14:20.28`	`art3mis`	`and i bet yer first though was , perv shes underage! followed directly by, is taht a penis?`
`14:20.32`	`trh`	`JJSheets: i think he has some kind of fetish`
`14:20.41`	`Mikma`	`JJSheets: noob`
`14:20.47`	`kenlyric`	`art3mis: precisely the order of events.`
`14:20.48`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`14:20.54`	`Mikma`	`the pic was cool, you're just not used to it`
`14:21.09`	`art3mis`	`mik dates a boy named sue ;P`
`14:21.18`	`CIA-11`	`03jjsheets * r32795 10Expo/Expo.lua: Expo - Removed the child_wrap2 from the categories, it was clipping way too much.`
`14:21.44`	`Mikma`	`art3mis: bad mikk :(`
`14:21.45`	`kenlyric`	`hmmm.`
`14:22.08`	`kenlyric`	`that update strangely coincides with chat...`
`14:22.22`	`JJSheets`	`roflmao`
`14:22.39`	`JJSheets`	`completely unintentional I guarantee it.`
`14:22.41`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`14:23.39`	`Mikma`	`trh: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/races/two-headed-ogre.shtml`
`14:24.25`	`art3mis`	`hah`
`14:25.15`	`Mikma`	`The classes available to Two-headed Ogres are: Mage, Warrior, Priest, Druid, and Warlock.`
`14:25.34`	`trh`	`no hunter ogres..... so unfair!`
`14:25.46`	`nevcairiel`	`druid ogres`
`14:25.47`	`nevcairiel`	`yay`
`14:25.58`	`Mikma`	`HAHAHAHAHAH http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/races/images/ogres/ss02.jpg`
`14:26.01`	`trh`	`i wonder how shapeshifting would work if druids in a ogre ;)`
`14:28.23`	`*** join/#wowace Cynea (n=Cynea@ip-62-241-71-44.evc.net)`
`14:28.56`	`JJSheets`	`trh, was that a two headed dire bear or am I just on some good shrooms?`
`14:29.40`	`kenlyric`	`who can find errors in that screenshot?`
`14:29.56`	`evl`	`Damnit!`
`14:30.05`	`evl`	`Anyone know why sometimes status bars like castbars start to stutter?`
`14:30.14`	`evl`	`The bar lags behind the spark really choppy`
`14:30.43`	`CIA-11`	`03nevcairiel * r32796 10Bartender3/ (6 files): Bartender3: more cleaning and fixing`
`14:31.49`	`Mikma`	`kenlyric: i can see atleast 4 errors ;)`
`14:32.08`	`Mikma`	`sorry, 5 or more`
`14:32.12`	`nevcairiel`	`Gamefaq: 2.1.0 will fix the bug with the cooldown model on faded buttons.`
`14:32.44`	`JJSheets`	`kenlyric, lvl 17 main body, no talent config button... that's all I got really...`
`14:32.52`	`kenlyric`	`which ones did you get? I got that there's no stance bar for the warrior, no talent button.`
`14:33.06`	`Mikma`	`ok i'll tell my findings`
`14:33.12`	`kenlyric`	`and the map is wrong.`
`14:33.15`	`JJSheets`	`lmao pet bar for the second head.`
`14:33.32`	`Gngsk`	`there's chat for the body, but no frame for it`
`14:34.06`	`Mikma`	`Old IF, no talent button, 990g, lvl n+1 items in inventory, being on top of place where you can't be ;)`
`14:34.09`	`Gngsk`	`uh, nvm`
`14:34.31`	`kenlyric`	`what's wrong with 990g`
`14:34.43`	`kenlyric`	`what's level n+1?`
`14:35.04`	`JJSheets`	`coulda been a twinked out two headed ogre. :p`
`14:35.14`	`kenlyric`	`or a bank toon.`
`14:35.30`	`kenlyric`	`lots of us idiots used to keep gold on bank toons :)`
`14:35.46`	`Mikma`	`propably not since blizz doesn't show pictures of twinks / bankchars :)`
`14:35.52`	`nevcairiel`	`i do that, so i am not temptes so spend it`
`14:35.55`	`Mikma`	`they usually show a lvl70 with 3 spells in actionbar`
`14:35.57`	`nevcairiel`	`*tempted`
`14:36.01`	`CIA-11`	`03nevcairiel * r32797 10Bartender3/Options.lua: Bartender3: fixed some quirks with the menu`
`14:36.12`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r32798 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua:`
`14:36.12`	`CIA-11`	`.FuBarPlugin-2.0: You can now set addon.overrideTooltip to make Tablet-2.0`
`14:36.12`	`CIA-11`	`optional. addon:OnEnter and :OnLeave are now also provided while attached to the`
`14:36.12`	`CIA-11`	`minimap - use these to show/hide your own custom tooltip if desired.`
`14:36.12`	`CIA-11`	`:CloseTooltip will be invoked when FBP-2.0 thinks the tooltip should be hidden,`
`14:36.13`	`CIA-11`	`like when the menu opens.`
`14:36.17`	`CIA-11`	`All this is subject to change.`
`14:37.50`	`nevcairiel`	`why is bugsack not playing the fatality sound anymore?`
`14:37.53`	`nevcairiel`	`vhaarr fix it!`
`14:38.01`	`kenlyric`	`nevcairiel: bad idea.`
`14:38.03`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: hrm, check the new sound option`
`14:38.10`	`nevcairiel`	`its erroring`
`14:38.12`	`kenlyric`	`since blizzard sorta refuses to do restors on very low level characters.`
`14:38.13`	`vhaarr`	`..`
`14:38.14`	`nevcairiel`	`something with playsoundfile`
`14:38.18`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: give me the error then?`
`14:38.18`	`vhaarr`	`wtf`
`14:39.57`	`CIA-11`	`03nevcairiel * r32799 10Bartender3/Options.lua: Bartender3: since bugsack forgot to spit the fatality sound at me, here is the real fix :P`
`14:40.21`	`vhaarr`	`:<`
`14:40.27`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: Give me the error or fix it yourself :P`
`14:40.33`	`nevcairiel`	`I changed it to sound -> none and back to the fatality and it works`
`14:40.34`	`nevcairiel`	`i think`
`14:40.39`	`vhaarr`	`hrm`
`14:40.43`	`kenlyric`	`lol`
`14:40.46`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`14:40.54`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe only fails on on-load-errors`
`14:41.13`	`winkiller`	`anyone bothered getting an equip comparison from armory with itemids, etc? i.e. I get itemid 12345 from Armory, how can I get the actual data?`
`14:41.29`	`nevcairiel`	`yup`
`14:42.01`	`nevcairiel`	`vhaarr: http://ace.pastey.net/12914 happening with on load errors`
`14:43.08`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r32800 10BigWigs/ (BigWigs.toc Libs/ Options.lua Plugins/Version.lua): BigWigs: No longer depends on Tablet-2.0.`
`14:44.33`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r32801 10BugSack/BugSack.lua: BugSack: Possible bugfix.`
`14:44.39`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: I'm guessing media:Fetch fails`
`14:44.44`	`vhaarr`	`so try this instead`
`14:46.42`	`nevcairiel`	`works`
`14:47.09`	`CIA-11`	`03whitetooth * r32802 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua:`
`14:47.09`	`CIA-11`	`StatLogicLib:`
`14:47.09`	`CIA-11`	`- Updated Taiwan localizations`
`14:47.09`	`CIA-11`	`- Correctly parses [Drape of the Righteous] ID:30642`
`14:47.09`	`CIA-11`	`- Clean transition to 2.1.0 for Ardent Defender, Survival Instincts, Pain Suppression changes`
`14:47.09`	`CIA-11`	`- Clean transition to 2.1.0 for Spell Haste Rating changes`
`14:49.15`	`CIA-11`	`03whitetooth * r32803 10RatingBuster/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)`
`14:49.15`	`CIA-11`	`RatingBuster: 1.1.1`
`14:49.16`	`CIA-11`	`- Option to Show stat summary only for highest level armor type and items you can use with uncommon quality and up`
`14:49.16`	`CIA-11`	`- Option to Hide stat summary for equipped items`
`14:49.16`	`CIA-11`	`- Option to Add a blank line before stat summary for readability`
`14:49.17`	`CIA-11`	`- Mage, Warlock, Shaman now shows spellcrit as default summary instead of crit`
`14:49.21`	`CIA-11`	`- Updated Taiwan localizations`
`14:50.57`	`CIA-11`	`03whitetooth * r32804 10TankPoints/ (3 files):`
`14:50.57`	`CIA-11`	`TankPoints: 2.5.7`
`14:50.57`	`CIA-11`	`- Fixed incorrect tooltip values`
`14:50.57`	`CIA-11`	`- Fixed calculater rounding errors`
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`14:53.22`	`nevcairiel`	`vhaarr: so with the FBP change, if i set that, it will simply disable the detached tooltip and function without tablet?`
`14:53.50`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`14:53.56`	`vhaarr`	`and "lock tooltip"`
`14:54.39`	`vhaarr`	nevcairiel: After seeing some screenshots Funkeh` provided with the Tablet-2.0 CPU time, I could no longer justify its use in BigWigs.
`14:55.06`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: http://wowace.com/trac/browser/trunk/BigWigs/Options.lua?rev=32800#L217`
`14:55.14`	`vhaarr`	`Uses a normal GameTooltip instead.`
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`14:57.08`	Funkeh`	`bartender3 is pretty high as well`
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`14:57.14`	Funkeh`	`i think it was 2nd, tablet being 3rd`
`14:57.30`	`[Ammo]`	Funkeh`: I've made BigWigs_GruulAssist obsolete :p
`14:57.36`	`[Ammo]`	`and improved upon it as well`
`14:58.35`	`vhaarr`	`I want to use Tablet-2.0, though, so if ckknight optimizes it a bit, I'll revert the BigWigs changes.`
`14:58.55`	Funkeh`	`[Ammo] how could you!`
`14:58.57`	`vhaarr`	`It looks nicer and allows for interactive tooltips easily.`
`14:58.57`	`[Ammo]`	`haha`
`14:59.05`	`[Ammo]`	`I'm working on some stuff`
`14:59.08`	`[Ammo]`	`commit should be in soon :)`
`14:59.11`	Funkeh`	`cool :p`
`14:59.13`	`nevcairiel`	`doesnt dewdrop use tablet for the context menu?`
`14:59.27`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: What context menu?`
`14:59.36`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: The FuBarPlugin right-click menu?`
`14:59.38`	`nevcairiel`	`right-clicking bigwigs icon`
`14:59.39`	`nevcairiel`	`yea`
`14:59.42`	`vhaarr`	`no`
`14:59.57`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: Just update BigWigs and take a look.`
`14:59.58`	`nevcairiel`	`i always thought it does, oh well, nvm :)`
`15:00.00`	`vhaarr`	`Everything works fine.`
`15:00.02`	`nevcairiel`	`i did`
`15:00.22`	`vhaarr`	`You can no longer click individual running modules to reset/disable.`
`15:00.30`	`vhaarr`	`And the Version plugin doesn't work unless you have Tablet.`
`15:00.36`	`vhaarr`	`But other than that, it works like before.`
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`15:01.15`	`vhaarr`	`Actually, Version and Test should probably be moved to Extras anyway.`
`15:01.32`	`vhaarr`	`meh`
`15:01.42`	`[Ammo]`	`easily done :p`
`15:01.45`	`[Ammo]`	`mod.external = true`
`15:01.53`	`vhaarr`	`I know, I wrote the freaking API docs`
`15:01.55`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`15:01.56`	`[Ammo]`	`haha`
`15:01.59`	`[Ammo]`	`ohwell`
`15:02.00`	`[Ammo]`	`incoming commit`
`15:02.06`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: i has a chat wiht ckknight and he said it has been tested and its as efficient as it can be :<`
`15:02.21`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: okay, guess it's byebye to Tablet, then
`15:02.31`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`15:02.33`	Funkeh`	`yeah`
`15:02.52`	`vhaarr`	`Or make a Tablet-3.0 that uses a table instead of the continous function calling.`
`15:04.31`	Funkeh`	`well its eith bt3 or tablet thats giving my my 10bkps idle in shatt with 80~ spikes, my bet is tablet`
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`15:06.55`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r32805 10BigWigs/ (4 files in 3 dirs):`
`15:06.55`	`CIA-11`	`BigWigs: add extra proximity module.`
`15:06.55`	`CIA-11`	`modules can use it with: module.proximityCheck = function(unit) <check distance to unit> end,`
`15:06.55`	`CIA-11`	`module.proximitySilent is checked to see if it should play sound.`
`15:06.55`	`CIA-11`	`Gruul updated for this proximity check using bandage itemids, only plays sound during grasp phase via use of proximitySilent.`
`15:07.16`	`[Ammo]`	Funkeh`: ^----
`15:07.28`	`kenlyric`	`wow. Did hell freeze?`
`15:09.30`	`[Ammo]`	`the proximity check for gruul is language independant too`
`15:09.40`	`[Ammo]`	`and anyone can get first aid at level 1 and use a linen bandage :p`
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`15:10.34`	`Cynea`	`bye bye here`
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`15:12.00`	Funkeh`	`hmm [Ammo] thought you were making something external :p`
`15:12.08`	`[Ammo]`	`haha`
`15:12.14`	`[Ammo]`	`it's in the extras folder :p`
`15:12.26`	`nadas`	`soo, that "replaces" BigWigs_GruulAssist?`
`15:12.40`	`[Ammo]`	`I can default it to off`
`15:12.53`	`nadas`	`nah, i'll just tell my guild to remove gruulassist :)`
`15:13.05`	`[Ammo]`	`I haven't tested it on Gruul atm`
`15:13.13`	`phyber`	`hmm. so, what's that proximity check for? I haven't had the (mis)fortune of going to gruul yet.`
`15:13.13`	`[Ammo]`	`but it should work just fine`
`15:13.27`	`[Ammo]`	`oh you'll know the first time you go there :)`
`15:13.30`	`[Ammo]`	`KABOOM`
`15:13.46`	`nadas`	`=)`
`15:13.50`	Funkeh`	`nah`
`15:13.55`	Funkeh`	`no point defaulting it to off`
`15:13.59`	`Matrix110`	`anyone on EU-PVE ptr atm?`
`15:14.02`	`nadas`	`it's not so "kaboom" anymore though =/`
`15:14.07`	Funkeh`	`what is it? just a tablet like gruul assist?`
`15:14.11`	`[Ammo]`	`no tablet`
`15:14.12`	`[Ammo]`	`purtier`
`15:14.18`	`[Ammo]`	`just enable the gruul module and you'll see`
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`15:15.49`	`[Ammo]`	Funkeh`: but the basics are the same
`15:15.58`	`[Ammo]`	`it uses rosterlib if available`
`15:16.05`	`[Ammo]`	`if not it uses regular stuff`
`15:17.10`	`[Ammo]`	`could extend it to have an custom range check for itself`
`15:17.21`	`[Ammo]`	`so you can just type an itemid or a spell to check range`
`15:17.45`	`kenlyric`	`hmmm.`
`15:17.52`	`kenlyric`	`is that as sexy as it sounds?`
`15:19.14`	`[Ammo]`	`but that's something for another day`
`15:20.42`	`Matrix110`	`omg the mt/ma frames form Blizzard-.-`
`15:20.48`	`Matrix110`	`*from`
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`15:22.36`	`Matrix110`	`http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6674/mtmaframesyg8.jpg`
`15:22.55`	Funkeh`	`you can actually sue them now?`
`15:22.57`	Funkeh`	`woohoo`
`15:23.13`	Funkeh`	`give us item checks and cooldown monitors and goodbye raid assist`
`15:23.15`	`Matrix110`	`wondering what this green field between target and targettarget is`
`15:23.37`	`Matrix110`	`Funkey they implemented cooldown monitor kinda`
`15:23.45`	`Matrix110`	`you can get the exact time on cooldowns from raid members`
`15:23.50`	`sbu`	`you can?`
`15:23.51`	`sbu`	`how?`
`15:23.53`	Funkeh`	`?`
`15:23.55`	Funkeh`	`really?`
`15:23.58`	`Matrix110`	`lemme paste it`
`15:24.31`	`sbu`	`and then: for every spell / consumable / ability? THAT would be nice ;o`
`15:25.08`	Funkeh`	`oh`
`15:25.11`	Funkeh`	`forgot, res monitor`
`15:25.16`	Funkeh`	`need that to abandon it`
`15:25.21`	Funkeh`	`most imprtant thing tbh :p`
`15:26.21`	`sbu`	`and i dont like blizz MT target style ;o`
`15:26.39`	`sbu`	`hm WTB ora like mt targets for pitbull (using blizz unit data) ;o`
`15:26.52`	`Matrix110`	`oh nvm i missread it`
`15:26.55`	`Matrix110`	`was smth else but similiar`
`15:27.02`	Funkeh`	`maybe oRA should switch to using blizz ones [Ammo] ?`
`15:27.11`	`[Ammo]`	`oRA2 probably never will`
`15:27.21`	`[Ammo]`	`unless someone else makes the options`
`15:27.27`	`[Ammo]`	`but there is only ONE MT for blizzard and one MA`
`15:27.31`	`[Ammo]`	`which is just too little`
`15:27.38`	Funkeh`	`theres more in 2.1`
`15:27.41`	`[Ammo]`	`oh nice`
`15:27.43`	Funkeh`	`well there is in that screenshot`
`15:27.45`	`[Ammo]`	`then I'll switch to them for 2.1`
`15:27.54`	`[Ammo]`	`otherwise it's just not worth it`
`15:28.02`	`sbu`	`SRA will? :p`
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`15:28.40`	`Industrial`	`http://tinyurl.com/3d3997`
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`15:29.04`	`sbu`	`thats many shadowbolts`
`15:29.06`	`Matrix110`	`what should this screenshot show Oo?`
`15:29.14`	`Industrial`	`the unitframes :P`
`15:29.54`	`Industrial`	`no more portraits \o/`
`15:30.00`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`15:30.16`	Funkeh`	`[Ammo]: well tbh ctra should switch also`
`15:30.22`	Funkeh`	`kinda pointless not to`
`15:30.25`	`[Ammo]`	`I don't care for CTRA atm`
`15:30.58`	Funkeh`	`good ^^`
`15:31.03`	`Matrix110`	`but Ammo is right 2 mt targets is to little`
`15:31.09`	`Matrix110`	`atleast normally`
`15:31.11`	`[Ammo]`	Funkeh`: did you check the Proximity thing?
`15:31.12`	`nadas`	`no one in their right minds use ctra anyway`
`15:31.15`	Funkeh`	`its restricted to 2?`
`15:31.19`	`Matrix110`	`yes`
`15:31.21`	Funkeh`	`ffs`
`15:31.22`	`Matrix110`	`you can assign 1 Main Tank`
`15:31.25`	`Matrix110`	`1 Main assist`
`15:31.27`	`[Ammo]`	`1 MT, 1 MA`
`15:31.27`	`Matrix110`	`atleast atm`
`15:31.30`	`[Ammo]`	`rtarded!`
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`15:31.34`	`Matrix110`	`didnt check on PTR yet i hate inviting randoms`
`15:31.55`	Funkeh`	`[Ammo] in heroic mechanar will /rl when i get a second`
`15:31.55`	`Matrix110`	`was good i found one^^`
`15:31.55`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe`
`15:32.42`	`kenlyric`	`grid needs a layout which lets you specify watched players.`
`15:33.06`	`Matrix110`	`grid is perfect besides the missing integrated GridAlert!`
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`15:33.24`	`kenlyric`	`well, it has a layout for healers that pulls tanks out, but it just pulls warriors out.`
`15:34.02`	`CIA-11`	`03fleetfoot * r32806 10DarkCandy/DarkCandy.lua:`
`15:34.02`	`CIA-11`	`DarkCandy:`
`15:34.02`	`CIA-11`	`- Work, work, tweaking is a never ending job.`
`15:34.19`	`vhaarr`	`hrm, I broke stuff`
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`15:36.17`	`Fisker-`	`hate this shit`
`15:36.18`	`vhaarr`	`bah`
`15:36.31`	`Fisker-`	`learn2Dieselgenerator`
`15:36.35`	Funkeh`	`why doesn't alt dragging frames work when frame lock is on in pitbull anymore! :(`
`15:36.47`	`Fisker-`	`n00b isp can't get my internet going because electricity is missing at the central`
`15:36.49`	`Fisker-`	`waah waah`
`15:36.56`	`Matrix110`	`lol Oo`
`15:37.46`	`Matrix110`	`<3 UPS`
`15:38.17`	`Matrix110`	`the generator here is fast enough that not even my PC shutsdown`
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`15:40.24`	`JJSheets`	`okay... time for me to get stuff done arund the house... adios.`
`15:42.46`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r32807 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua:`
`15:42.46`	`CIA-11`	`.FuBarPlugin-2.0:`
`15:42.46`	`CIA-11`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:42.46`	`CIA-11`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:44.16`	Funkeh`	`holy fuck [Ammo]`
`15:44.25`	Funkeh`	`thats sick hot`
`15:45.23`	`vhaarr`	`suuure but me getting rid of the top CPU consumer from bigwigs is not hot. no no, nobody cares about that`
`15:45.31`	`[Ammo]`	`hahahaha`
`15:45.33`	Funkeh`	`aww`
`15:45.37`	`[Ammo]`	Funkeh`: check out the gruul module as well
`15:45.43`	`[Ammo]`	`I improved upon your bandage check :p`
`15:45.45`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
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`15:46.28`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: did you update the wiki API docs?`
`15:46.34`	`[Ammo]`	`noet yet`
`15:46.36`	`[Ammo]`	`not yet`
`15:46.43`	`[Ammo]`	`dunno if I'm satisfied`
`15:46.46`	`[Ammo]`	`I think I am`
`15:46.53`	`vhaarr`	`I'm taking a look now`
`15:46.57`	`vhaarr`	`I'm probably not satisfied`
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`15:47.29`	`[Ammo]`	`haha`
`15:47.31`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: i prefer bw with no tablet`
`15:47.38`	`vhaarr`	`yeah me too`
`15:47.48`	`vhaarr`	`except the version query doesn't "work" now`
`15:47.52`	`vhaarr`	`unless the user has tablet`
`15:47.57`	Funkeh`	`simply because i have fubar so close to my party UF, i would accidentaly turn it on sometimes cause the menu didn't disapear fast enough, no menu now!`
`15:48.04`	`[Ammo]`	`hey you know me vhaarr I code a concept so you can clean it up :p`
`15:48.10`	`vhaarr`	`lol`
`15:48.17`	`moonsorrow`	`[Ammo]: going to gruul now, anything I have to activate for your new option? :P`
`15:48.21`	`[Ammo]`	`nothing`
`15:48.25`	`moonsorrow`	`perfect`
`15:48.27`	`[Ammo]`	`it'll work out of the box`
`15:48.29`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: is the plan to have the version query fall-back to the chat box if tablet isn't available?`
`15:48.31`	`[Ammo]`	`(or it should)`
`15:48.53`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: yeah`
`15:48.58`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: but someone has to implement that`
`15:49.06`	`sbu`	`hmm`
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`15:49.18`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: why not just use the tooltip for the version query?`
`15:49.19`	`sbu`	`[Ammo]: BW/Extra/Proximity is replacement for gruulassist?`
`15:49.20`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: not it!`
`15:49.31`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: a bit like versionquery/spygnome`
`15:49.36`	`[Ammo]`	`sbu: something like that yeah`
`15:49.49`	`[Ammo]`	`actually exactly like that :)`
`15:49.50`	`sbu`	`well its proximity monitor for bandage range`
`15:49.57`	`[Ammo]`	`no its not`
`15:50.01`	`sbu`	`no?`
`15:50.06`	`[Ammo]`	`it's a generic proximity monitor that in the case of Gruul works with bandages`
`15:50.14`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: it what? :P`
`15:50.23`	`moonsorrow`	`[Ammo]: looks nice`
`15:50.29`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: what tooltip?
`15:50.30`	`[Ammo]`	`for Cthun I could do : Cthun.proximityCheck = function( unit ) return CheckInteractDistance(unit, 3) end`
`15:50.37`	`[Ammo]`	`and it'll work on cthun`
`15:50.48`	`[Ammo]`	`then some intelligent setting of proximitySilent = true when you enter phase 2`
`15:50.50`	`[Ammo]`	`and done.`
`15:51.15`	`sbu`	`hmhm ok`
`15:51.32`	Funkeh`	`the fubar one vhaarr`
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`15:51.40`	Funkeh`	`when mousing over the fubar icon`
`15:51.40`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: that's what it does now?
`15:51.43`	`vhaarr`	`err`
`15:51.50`	`[Ammo]`	`anyway, time for pizza, beer and then 300 in the cinema`
`15:52.02`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: well sure, whatever
`15:52.03`	`moonsorrow`	`[Ammo]: when people are in the list, it means they are too near?`
`15:52.04`	`vhaarr`	`I'm not fixing it`
`15:52.07`	`[Ammo]`	`moonsorrow: yeah`
`15:52.17`	`[Ammo]`	`that's why it says: Proximity abov eit`
`15:52.24`	`[Ammo]`	`Nobody = safe :p`
`15:52.29`	`moonsorrow`	`[Ammo]: ok, but people are listed who are way out of range`
`15:52.35`	`[Ammo]`	`oh?`
`15:52.36`	`moonsorrow`	`even grid shows them as out of range`
`15:52.40`	`[Ammo]`	`wtf`
`15:52.53`	`[Ammo]`	`maybe I typod something :)`
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`15:53.19`	`moonsorrow`	`I stand hier alone for myself, 5 people listed :D`
`15:53.19`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: not better to just use that for version query and completely abandon tablet?`
`15:53.29`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: yeah sure
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`15:54.11`	`[Ammo]`	`moonsorrow: could be ItemInRange doesn't like numbers`
`15:54.11`	`[Ammo]`	`meh`
`15:54.38`	`[Ammo]`	`I'll change it to the old check from gruulassist`
`15:54.39`	`[Ammo]`	`meh`
`15:55.14`	Funkeh`	`ItemInRange doesn't take ItemID's?`
`15:55.14`	`nadas`	`vhaarr: tested the gruul proximity thingy and it kept showing people in the window regardless of if they were in range or not`
`15:55.18`	`nadas`	`eugh`
`15:55.20`	`nadas`	`[Ammo]:`
`15:56.15`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r32808 10BigWigs/Outland/Gruul.lua: BigWigs: use only "Heavy Netherweave Bandage" , IsItemInRange doesn't eat itemid's apparantly`
`15:56.16`	`[Ammo]`	`try that`
`15:56.24`	`nadas`	`hehe ok`
`15:56.37`	`*** join/#wowace Herio (n=kvermil@tiglon.ecst.csuchico.edu)`
`15:56.41`	Funkeh`	`thats sucky tbh`
`15:56.46`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`15:56.46`	`[Ammo]`	`it is`
`15:56.47`	Funkeh`	`was a good way to avoid translations`
`15:56.50`	`[Ammo]`	`yup`
`15:56.52`	Funkeh`	`never thoguht of it`
`15:57.34`	`[Ammo]`	`seems I judged too soon`
`15:57.57`	`mok_`	`andreasG somwhere around?`
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`15:58.43`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r32809 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua: .FuBarPlugin-2.0: Bugfix.`
`16:00.09`	`[Ammo]`	`oh hmm 0 = true right?`
`16:00.14`	`vhaarr`	`no`
`16:00.16`	`Cryect`	`no`
`16:00.18`	`[Ammo]`	`k`
`16:00.26`	`[Ammo]`	`IsItemInRange might accept itemid's`
`16:00.34`	`[Ammo]`	`I'm just not checking the return value correct or something`
`16:00.35`	`[Ammo]`	`ohwell`
`16:00.47`	`[Ammo]`	`it should work now`
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`16:02.07`	`*** join/#wowace Chosi (n=chosirc@p54B4878A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`16:02.13`	`Chosi`	`woot my baggins stopped working -.-`
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`16:02.41`	`Herio`	`so... that's a good thing?`
`16:02.49`	`Chosi`	`not really`
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`16:03.02`	`Chosi`	`micromenufu is doing weird stuff aswell`
`16:03.04`	`Chosi`	`:(`
`16:03.24`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r32810 10BigWigs/Outland/Gruul.lua: BigWigs: Gruul - update proximityCheck, work damnit`
`16:03.35`	`Herio`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5700.0`
`16:03.42`	`Herio`	`anyone else find this strange?`
`16:04.32`	`Matrix110`	`not strange but unneeded:P`
`16:05.03`	`Herio`	`no, read my two posts =P`
`16:05.32`	`[Ammo]`	`k proximiyCheck works now but only for heavy netherweave`
`16:05.49`	`knarf-`	`What race should a warlock on hordeside be starting from fresh? >:`
`16:06.09`	`Matrix110`	`hmm yes this is indeed weird Herio :P`
`16:06.29`	`Herio`	`hmm`
`16:06.37`	`Herio`	`knarf: that's a tough one...`
`16:06.54`	`Matrix110`	`orc for sure`
`16:07.06`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r32811 10BigWigs/Outland/Gruul.lua: BigWigs: Gruul - back to Itemid's yay! thanks moonsorrow`
`16:07.09`	`nadas`	`[Ammo]: yup, works :)`
`16:07.10`	`Herio`	`matrix110: for the pet racial?`
`16:07.10`	`knarf-`	`I had a lvl 12 undead one, but I deleted it well for shit 'n giggles :P`
`16:07.14`	`nadas`	`ooh`
`16:07.30`	`Matrix110`	`no but orcs are underpresented`
`16:07.43`	`Matrix110`	`everyone choose "ZOMG IAM THE UNDEAD ROGU"`
`16:07.58`	`Chosi`	`anyone else experiencing problems with baggins and micromenu since the last ace2 update or whatever?`
`16:08.03`	`knarf-`	`just about all my chars are undead :>`
`16:09.14`	`Matrix110`	`i would choose Troll but trolls cant get warlock`
`16:09.22`	`[Ammo]`	Funkeh`: fixed it, we're back to itemid's
`16:09.34`	`Matrix110`	`Belf is so overused atm`
`16:09.34`	`nadas`	`and it works \o/`
`16:09.35`	`[Ammo]`	`had to specifically check for == 1`
`16:10.11`	`Herio`	`i'm going to say troll`
`16:10.14`	`Herio`	`well...`
`16:10.17`	`Herio`	`errr`
`16:10.18`	`Herio`	`*orc`
`16:10.38`	`[Ammo]`	`orc warlocks look the best after gnomes ofcourse :)`
`16:10.43`	`Herio`	`it's basically 15% stun resist vs WotF + cannibalize`
`16:10.44`	`knarf-`	`I don't really care for whats overused or not, I just want what is most effecient in the long run :)`
`16:10.58`	`Herio`	`do you plan to PVP much? =P`
`16:11.08`	`[Ammo]`	`anyway, erally time for pizza and beer now`
`16:11.23`	`nadas`	`hmm, does IsItemInRange() work even if you don't have the item?`
`16:11.26`	`[Ammo]`	`no`
`16:11.30`	`nadas`	`strange`
`16:11.31`	`Fisker-`	`IsItemInRange?`
`16:11.32`	`Fisker-`	`Wtf`
`16:11.37`	`Azurewrath`	`Pizza and Beer sounds good.. do you deliver it? ;p`
`16:11.39`	`nadas`	`tossed my bandages and it still updates correctly`
`16:11.41`	`knarf-`	`Herio maybe, mainly I guess its an alternative grinding char :>`
`16:11.42`	`Fisker-`	`what does that do? :o`
`16:12.02`	`[Ammo]`	`nadas: nice`
`16:12.05`	`Matrix110`	`checks if you can bandage the person you target i guess:P`
`16:12.12`	`Herio`	`i'm going to say undead, cannabalize should help a bunch with downtime....`
`16:12.20`	`Matrix110`	`warlocks have no downtime`
`16:12.27`	`Herio`	`depends on spec`
`16:12.33`	`[Ammo]`	`anyway, later :)`
`16:12.35`	`Herio`	`blanket statement ftl`
`16:12.42`	`Killmore`	`anyone know an addon to know which addons take how much ressource ?`
`16:12.44`	`Matrix110`	`warlocks still have no downtime:P`
`16:13.07`	`knarf-`	`Killmore wait for 2.1.0 :P`
`16:13.08`	`Herio`	`i play a lock, pretty much exclusively`
`16:13.13`	`Herio`	`we have downtime`
`16:13.34`	`Killmore`	`knarf-: but there is no addon how did the same job ?`
`16:13.47`	Funkeh`	`[Ammo] rofl`
`16:13.50`	Funkeh`	`nice one`
`16:13.59`	`_neuron_`	`Herio, affliction and you wont have downtime..`
`16:14.04`	`knarf-`	`Killmore uhm not that I know of :)`
`16:14.34`	`Herio`	`_neuron_: i'm not going to spec affliction or demonology`
`16:14.57`	`_neuron_`	`yes, as a destro lock you would have downtime, but there's very little reason to be destruction :P`
`16:15.25`	`Herio`	`more fun`
`16:15.35`	`kebinusan`	`gnome warlocks look like cockroaches`
`16:15.45`	`kebinusan`	`in t6`
`16:15.52`	`Azurewrath`	`[Ammo]: do the latest BigWigs commits mean that i can delete the standalone BigWigs_GruulAssist?`
`16:15.54`	`kebinusan`	`destro is fine imo`
`16:15.58`	`knarf-`	`atleast they can't hide in the bushes if they have T6 due to giant demon wings!`
`16:16.03`	`_neuron_`	`I have a mage as well though, which is why I have absolutely no reason to spec destro :P`
`16:16.13`	`kebinusan`	`everyone keeps talking about this downtime, but meh, stuff dies in 3 hits, not really alot of downtime`
`16:16.27`	`Herio`	`i don't see how destro is gimp`
`16:16.34`	`_neuron_`	`kebinusan, downtime is something you have between mobs, not during mobs :P`
`16:16.50`	`*** join/#wowace pub^^ (n=pub@cdubray.csbnet.se)`
`16:16.57`	`kebinusan`	`exactly, incin, immo, incin, conflag tap on the way to the next mob`
`16:17.00`	`_neuron_`	`Herio, well, pve : affliction > all, just a fact, 2vs2/3vs3 arena : demonology, 5vs5 arena : either demonology or affliction`
`16:17.04`	`Herio`	`pretty much all i do is raid, and right now, i'm on par with or locks =P`
`16:17.07`	`_neuron_`	`kebinusan, and then your out of mana`
`16:17.12`	`kebinusan`	`umm no`
`16:17.14`	`knarf-`	`so Herio its a choice between undead or orc ? :>`
`16:17.22`	`_neuron_`	`well if you can keep up on bossfights Herio your affliction locks are slacking a heck of a lot :P`
`16:17.24`	Funkeh`	`Azurewrath: you can keep BigWIgs_GruulAssist as a momento`
`16:17.27`	`kebinusan`	`destro is pretty mana efficient`
`16:17.32`	`Herio`	`blood elf racials aren't too appealing`
`16:17.50`	`_neuron_`	`kebinusan, well for raiding you'd be comparing with affliction, and you really can't compete there`
`16:18.09`	`Azurewrath`	Funkeh`: momento? I'm no native speaker :)
`16:18.09`	`knarf-`	`i'm kinda wanting to make a orc because I just deleted my undead, wich had a soulpouch :P`
`16:18.22`	`Herio`	`_neuron_ do you raid as a lock? :O`
`16:18.24`	`kebinusan`	`soul leech is a pretty decent talent for raiding though, you get a decent amount of health gains to cover the life taps`
`16:18.28`	`_neuron_`	`Herio, yes`
`16:18.38`	`Herio`	`kebinausan: NO`
`16:18.46`	`Herio`	`healers do their job :O`
`16:18.53`	`knarf-`	`Lightwell`
`16:18.55`	`knarf-`	`^^`
`16:18.56`	`_neuron_`	`Herio, their job isn't wasting mana on you :P`
`16:18.58`	`knarf-`	`And renew`
`16:18.59`	`knarf-`	`:)`
`16:19.19`	`knarf-`	`not too hard to overcome except when chain casting gheal on the mt :P`
`16:19.21`	`Herio`	`_neuron_ if your healers have mana problems your DPS AND healers are shite`
`16:19.22`	`kebinusan`	`yes and those pretty healthstones`
`16:19.41`	`CIA-11`	`03shieldb * r32812 10Incubator/ (. Incubator.toc Locale-deDE.lua): Incubator: updated externals, toc updates, deDE fixes`
`16:19.44`	`knarf-`	`Herio lies, its the dps thats the problem !`
`16:19.50`	`knarf-`	`clearly not killing stuff fast enough`
`16:20.03`	`knarf-`	`shadowfriend, innervate should be suffecient :P`
`16:20.12`	`Herio`	`shadowfriend?`
`16:20.18`	`kebinusan`	`destro sustained dps in raids is just fine actually, another lock in the guild who is 42/0/19 beats me, but she also has all the tailoring gear and is a tailor`
`16:20.30`	`knarf-`	`Thats what I call it anyway Herio, shadowfiend :P`
`16:20.37`	`kebinusan`	`not to mention burst dps potential is nice for some fights`
`16:20.41`	`Herio`	`yeah`
`16:20.42`	`_neuron_`	`sure, destro can substain dps in a raid, but affliction can substain more`
`16:21.10`	`Herio`	`affliction is worse is some types of fights, affliction is better for others`
`16:21.15`	`Herio`	`errr`
`16:21.17`	`Herio`	`destro`
`16:21.26`	`kebinusan`	`indeed`
`16:21.26`	`knarf-`	`So this pvp stuff how good is the orcy racial actually, and what if I switch around in specs ?`
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`16:21.32`	Funkeh`	`Azurewrath: a treasure of sort, to remember`
`16:21.33`	`Herio`	`s\affliction is\destro is\`
`16:21.47`	`kebinusan`	`an affliction lock is going to do better on gruul, but be pretty close to worthless on dealing with curator adds in a timely manner`
`16:21.56`	`Azurewrath`	Funkeh`: ah ok.. thx :)
`16:21.57`	`Herio`	`yep`
`16:22.01`	`kebinusan`	`but in the end stuff still dies so who cares`
`16:22.01`	`shieldb`	`I really like it when nether protection unsustains all our dps instanly during flame wreath on shade ;)`
`16:22.11`	`_neuron_`	`kebinusan, an affliction lock should have bane, so dealing with adds really isn't a problem`
`16:22.20`	`Herio`	`affliction will rock netherspite, too, if you're running out, that is`
`16:22.35`	`Herio`	`there's problem and not as good`
`16:22.42`	`kebinusan`	`_neuron_: sure they can spam nukes, but not like immo, incin, conflag`
`16:22.44`	`Herio`	`they aren't the same thing`
`16:22.58`	`_neuron_`	`kebinusan, well we dont even bother dps'ing the adds, we let the melee take care of most of em`
`16:23.00`	Funkeh`	`shieldb: does ctrl+cliking bars work for you?`
`16:23.05`	`kebinusan`	`eww`
`16:23.10`	`kebinusan`	`we leave melee on curator`
`16:23.23`	`Herio`	`melee?`
`16:23.32`	Bibi`ouF	`http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/210/ogrila/depleted_epic.jpg`
`16:23.34`	Bibi`ouF	`hunter item.`
`16:23.37`	`Herio`	`you mean a warrior in dps gear and a rogue?`
`16:23.49`	`kebinusan`	`rogues mostly`
`16:23.52`	`kebinusan`	`for us anyway`
`16:24.02`	`_neuron_`	`Herio, any combination of rogue/warrior/feral druid really`
`16:24.13`	`shieldb`	Funkeh`, I finally got it working last night but I don't want to comit it quite yet because it was acting weird
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`16:25.22`	Funkeh`	`shieldb: jsut commit it :P`
`16:25.32`	`shieldb`	`haha`
`16:25.33`	`Chosi`	`apexis shards?`
`16:25.34`	`Chosi`	`wtf :>`
`16:25.38`	`Chosi`	`anyways`
`16:25.45`	`Chosi`	`my baggins is dead!`
`16:25.46`	`Chosi`	`:P`
`16:25.51`	`Herio`	`OMG!`
`16:25.53`	`Chosi`	`did i mention baggins does not work anymore?`
`16:25.56`	`Chosi`	`FOR ME?`
`16:25.57`	`Chosi`	`:>`
`16:25.58`	`Herio`	`user error imo`
`16:26.02`	`shieldb`	`I really need to sort the output from /inc list as well`
`16:26.11`	`Chosi`	`haven't changed anything`
`16:26.17`	`Chosi`	`updated and now it's gone`
`16:26.22`	`vhaarr`	`"does not work", I just love that description.`
`16:26.30`	`vhaarr`	`It's SO HELPFUL.`
`16:26.31`	`Chosi`	`it's not in fubar`
`16:26.41`	`vhaarr`	`Update FuBarPlugin-2.0 again.`
`16:27.55`	`Herio`	`are you using embedded libs? or standalone?`
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`16:28.22`	`Chosi`	`standalone`
`16:28.27`	`Chosi`	`the one coming with the libs`
`16:28.27`	`knarf-`	`Herio so, what would you say is most viable if I for some odd reason start to pvp/pve raid with my lock ?`
`16:28.59`	`_neuron_`	`knarf-, an affliction/destro spec is best in 95% of the fights`
`16:29.05`	`_neuron_`	`destro is better on the curator`
`16:29.12`	`knarf-`	`_neuron_ talking class here :P`
`16:29.15`	`knarf-`	`ehh race`
`16:29.15`	`knarf-`	`:P`
`16:29.17`	`Herio`	`it depends on your play style and what you like`
`16:29.19`	`_neuron_`	`orc`
`16:29.22`	`_neuron_`	`without a doubt, extra trinket`
`16:29.27`	`Herio`	`yeah, stun resist`
`16:29.38`	`knarf-`	`I know the stun resist annoys my rogue :>`
`16:29.43`	`Herio`	`i don't know the specifics for blood lust, so.... i'm gon gonna plug it`
`16:29.47`	`knarf-`	`when I play vs orcs`
`16:29.50`	`_neuron_`	`+143 spell dmg -50% healing`
`16:29.56`	`_neuron_`	`and you can pop it with a trinket`
`16:30.07`	`Herio`	`@70?`
`16:30.09`	`kebinusan`	`eh, affliction only wins out if you actually reapply everything precisely at the right times`
`16:30.10`	`knarf-`	`hmm orc it is, since I deleted my undead before :P`
`16:30.10`	`_neuron_`	`yeah`
`16:30.11`	`kebinusan`	`most people dont`
`16:30.32`	`knarf-`	`oh well I gtg now gotta help my dad moving some dirt :<`
`16:30.40`	`Herio`	`lol`
`16:30.43`	`_neuron_`	`kebinusan, optimizing destro means optimizing immo/conflag rotations while standing still and nuking, which is a lot harder to pull off :P`
`16:30.47`	`Herio`	`reminds me of this guy we had in our guild`
`16:30.57`	`kebinusan`	`actually conflag in raids isnt efficient dps`
`16:31.06`	`kebinusan`	`you're better off casting another incinerate`
`16:31.09`	`Herio`	`his mom would always have him out back digging holes`
`16:32.16`	`Herio`	`he was joking though =P`
`16:32.16`	`Chosi`	`vhaarr: didn't work`
`16:32.16`	`Chosi`	`i'm only getting 2 errors in my bugsack`
`16:32.16`	`Chosi`	`one from the parser of ratingbuster (i guess)`
`16:32.16`	`Chosi`	`and another one from the micromenu`
`16:32.16`	`Chosi`	`no baggins at all`
`16:32.17`	`Chosi`	`[2007/04/16 18:30:45-331-x1]: FuBar_MicroMenuFu-2.0.31019\MicroMenuFu.lua:207: attempt to call method 'CreatePluginChildFrame' (a nil value)`
`16:32.17`	`Chosi`	`[2007/04/16 18:30:13-331-x1]: Parser-3.0-31346:75: AceLocale(Parser-3.0): Cannot provide the same locale more than once. "enUS" provided twice.`
`16:32.21`	`Herio`	`ehh`
`16:32.27`	`Herio`	`i wouldn't say that conflag is inefficient`
`16:32.40`	`Herio`	`you'd need a lot of + damage`
`16:32.43`	`Herio`	`a whole lot`
`16:33.43`	`Herio`	`considering it's instant and low mana cost it's pretty appealing :O`
`16:33.44`	`Chosi`	`:\|`
`16:34.20`	`Stephmw`	`anyone playing horde on EU-Kilrogg by any chance?`
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`16:47.30`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r32813 10/tags/BigWigs_GruulAssist/: BigWigs_GruulAssist: tagging 'cause [Ammo] is cold and dead inside`
`16:48.43`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r32814 10BigWigs_GruulAssist/: BigWigs_GruulAssist: removed, see tags`
`16:49.33`	`CIA-11`	`03nickenyfiken 07Nickenyfiken * r32815 10FuBar_TrainerFu/TrainerFu.lua: FuBar_TrainerFu: More fixes to skill filtering.`
`16:50.45`	`*** join/#wowace Fisker- (i=ballmer@85.24.17.250.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk)`
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`16:51.44`	`Saroz_`	`ok who is fucking up gruulassist`
`16:51.47`	`Saroz_`	`Im scared of updating`
`16:52.05`	`_neuron_`	`it's in bigwigs now afaik`
`16:52.09`	`_neuron_`	`you dont need _gruulassist`
`16:52.13`	`Saroz_`	`ohhhhh`
`16:52.25`	`Saroz_`	`sweet jesus`
`16:52.53`	`art3mis`	`forthe slow kids 20 dead so far at virginia tech shooting`
`16:53.04`	`kebinusan`	`Chosi: yeah same error`
`16:53.05`	`Saroz_`	`so nice`
`16:53.18`	`kebinusan`	`good aim`
`16:53.23`	`kebinusan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:53.38`	`art3mis`	`nah thats bad aim`
`16:53.43`	`art3mis`	`unless they only had 20 bullets`
`16:54.04`	`kebinusan`	`probably just got tired of getting AWPed through double doors`
`16:54.08`	`art3mis`	`if you cant open a class fire blindly into it and hit at least 5 people per class you shouldnt be breathing`
`16:54.12`	`kenlyric`	`meh, irc is where I get away from the news. Had to watch that shit for lunch.`
`16:54.25`	`kenlyric`	`well, one building was a dorm, and it was 7am.`
`16:54.30`	`kenlyric`	`don't need a good shot for sleeping people`
`16:54.37`	`art3mis`	`thats true and yet still a low count`
`16:54.54`	`art3mis`	`the only good shooting sof ar was those sharp shooter kids in texas that pulled the alarm`
`16:54.59`	`Fisker-`	`ckknight`
`16:55.01`	`art3mis`	`htey took 12 shots hit 8`
`16:55.05`	`Fisker-`	`or wait`
`16:55.06`	`kenlyric`	`at lunch we speculated that since one building was an engineering building, it was a linux war gone horribly wrong.`
`16:55.12`	`Saroz_`	`someone killed ckknight_`
`16:55.13`	`art3mis`	`hahahahah`
`16:55.14`	`Fisker-`	`What's the command for getting the current frame printed?`
`16:55.21`	`Saroz_`	`wonder if blizz will make a monument for him in wow`
`16:55.21`	`Fisker-`	`by mouseovering`
`16:55.22`	`art3mis`	`man thats bad`
`16:55.23`	`Saroz_`	`would be pwn`
`16:55.26`	`kenlyric`	`they boot gentoo booth next to ubuntu.`
`16:55.39`	`kenlyric`	`boot?`
`16:55.44`	`kenlyric`	`I typed put. I know I did.`
`16:55.57`	`CIA-11`	`03jerry * r32816 10/branches/BlameGenerator/: Created folder remotely`
`16:56.12`	`Saroz_`	`now this looks interesting`
`16:56.14`	`art3mis`	`ooo thats a must have addon`
`16:56.20`	`CIA-11`	`03jerry 072.1 * r32817 10BlameGenerator/: Created folder remotely`
`16:56.23`	`kenlyric`	`I will always be thankful they didn't have videos when I was 11 and I thought this was cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nv6ul_1gzc&mode=related&search=`
`16:56.27`	`Saroz_`	`I do /rr the blame`
`16:56.38`	`art3mis`	`if (party_member(class) == 'hunter') point_finger;`
`16:56.38`	`CIA-11`	`03jerry 072.1 * r32818 10BlameGenerator/BlameGenerator/: Created folder remotely`
`16:56.48`	`kebinusan`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSjLaRgM6sE`
`16:56.50`	`kenlyric`	`I blame warriors.`
`16:57.02`	`Fisker-`	`ckknight i wish to discuss with you!`
`16:57.26`	`trh`	`Fisker-: you wish for an audience?`
`16:57.28`	`art3mis`	`hunters, rouges, warr's, shaman, paladins, locks, mages, druids, priests`
`16:57.32`	`art3mis`	`^^ order of blame`
`16:57.46`	`kenlyric`	`art3mis: agreed.`
`16:57.52`	`trh`	`art3mis: you forgot the hunter pet ;)`
`16:57.56`	`kebinusan`	`Id put priests after paladins`
`16:57.58`	`kenlyric`	`hunters don't use pets anymore.`
`16:57.59`	`art3mis`	`convienently thats also the reverse of my prefered classes ;P`
`16:58.02`	`CIA-11`	`03iceroth * r32819 10IceHUD/ (18 files in 4 dirs):`
`16:58.02`	`CIA-11`	`IceHUD: Version 0.9`
`16:58.03`	`CIA-11`	`- New round bar texture`
`16:58.03`	`CIA-11`	`- Standalone druid mana bar`
`16:58.03`	`CIA-11`	`- Lots of stuff I can't remember`
`16:58.18`	`kenlyric`	`they have to pay food for free dps.`
`16:58.25`	`kenlyric`	`apparently that's too much work.`
`16:58.26`	`evl`	`Anyone done Black Morass on Heroic here?`
`16:58.30`	`Fisker-`	`indeed trh`
`16:58.34`	`kebinusan`	`we wiped on nightbane last night cause the tank didnt get any heals.. apparently the healers all decided to go afk and not say anything at the same time`
`16:58.41`	`Saroz_`	`anyone know if ckknight lives in Virginia?`
`16:58.48`	`art3mis`	`no that was a silent protest`
`16:58.48`	`kenlyric`	`that video rocks.`
`16:58.50`	`Fisker-`	`he lives on hawaii`
`16:58.51`	`Fisker-`	`or something`
`16:58.53`	`Saroz_`	`lucker`
`16:58.55`	`art3mis`	`for the "fucking heal me you bastards!"`
`16:58.59`	`CIA-11`	`03jerry 072.1 * r32820 10BlameGenerator/BlameGenerator/ (BlameGenerator.toc core.lua): BlameGenerator: initial commit`
`16:59.05`	`kenlyric`	`kebinusan: did you pull without a ready check?`
`16:59.27`	`kebinusan`	`ahem`
`16:59.29`	`kenlyric`	`or, with the tank backing up and saying "lol there's amob there"`
`16:59.37`	`kenlyric`	`that was my friday night run.`
`17:00.03`	`kenlyric`	`yeah fucker. There are mobs all over the place. Put down the bong and play.`
`17:00.05`	`art3mis`	`i actually made a macro for when i find hidden mobs`
`17:00.14`	`art3mis`	`"awww i found a friend, kill it"`
`17:00.27`	`kenlyric`	`these weren't hidden though...`
`17:00.29`	`art3mis`	`<--- good at finding friends`
`17:00.32`	`Saroz_`	`uhm give back tablet ammo`
`17:00.43`	`art3mis`	`i say hidden in a purely fecitious manner`
`17:00.43`	`kenlyric`	`I like finding friends in the last part of shattered halls.`
`17:00.48`	`Saroz_`	`looks shit with GameTooltip`
`17:01.18`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r32821 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua: .FuBarPlugin-2.0: Bugfix.`
`17:01.18`	`art3mis`	`oh my fav so far was in slab`
`17:01.29`	`art3mis`	`"hey can you mc pull that last group before the boss?"`
`17:01.38`	`art3mis`	`"no"`
`17:01.44`	`Fisker-`	`clad\|work you here?`
`17:01.45`	`art3mis`	`"what about the first guy there?"`
`17:01.57`	`art3mis`	`"nope thier level will pull the rest of the room"`
`17:02.06`	`art3mis`	`other priest "It will not watch"`
`17:02.21`	`art3mis`	`so we pulled the entire room before incitor ;P`
`17:02.21`	`kenlyric`	`hahaha.`
`17:02.31`	`art3mis`	`god that was pure funny`
`17:02.35`	`kenlyric`	`I love when people ask me to MC pull. it's hard for me not leave group right then.`
`17:02.43`	`art3mis`	`i love mc pulling`
`17:02.50`	`*** join/#wowace Eternally777 (i=eternall@pool-72-95-3-27.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net)`
`17:02.53`	`kenlyric`	`if I want to wipe, sure.`
`17:02.55`	`art3mis`	`as long as they ralize ive done it lots and if i say no i know what im talking about ;P`
`17:03.29`	`kenlyric`	`you also said "other priest"`
`17:03.29`	`art3mis`	`heh yeah`
`17:03.29`	`kenlyric`	`when you're the only person in the group with a healing spell... not so bright.`
`17:03.29`	`art3mis`	`the shadow priest doing the healing cuz he had 400spekll and i have 800`
`17:03.51`	`kenlyric`	`plus, MC always breaks early for me... it's annoying.`
`17:03.59`	`kenlyric`	`I'd like to see that spell last the full time, once, during combat.`
`17:04.00`	`art3mis`	`i was about 80k up on his healing with just ve at the end of the run`
`17:04.11`	`art3mis`	`well it depends on who yer with`
`17:04.30`	`art3mis`	`the main issue ive had that ive trained our guild with is that you dont fight anywhere close to me`
`17:04.33`	`kenlyric`	`it should at least last long enough for the MC mob to die.`
`17:04.44`	`kenlyric`	`it doesn't break because I take damage.`
`17:04.49`	`art3mis`	`oh then you suck`
`17:04.55`	`art3mis`	`cuz they fixed that`
`17:05.02`	`kenlyric`	`I can't control the numbers that blizzard rolls.`
`17:05.09`	`*** join/#wowace Gnarfoz (i=smallbra@unaffiliated/gnarfoz)`
`17:05.09`	`kenlyric`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:05.12`	`art3mis`	`about a month or so ago it used to check every tick at about 70% to break`
`17:05.25`	`art3mis`	`about a week after they reverted`
`17:05.28`	`kenlyric`	`oh, I probably haven't tried it since then.`
`17:05.29`	`art3mis`	`so its not as retarded`
`17:05.51`	`CIA-11`	`03iceroth * r32822 10IceHUD/IceCore.lua: IceHUD: Liiitle fix`
`17:05.55`	`art3mis`	`the only ones you "should" have issues with are casters who get a slightly better resist`
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`17:06.01`	`art3mis`	`but not less than 10 seconds`
`17:06.05`	`kenlyric`	`now that I think of it, I did an MC in BRD and the mob actually died.`
`17:06.27`	`art3mis`	`hehe the slab run was rfunny too cuz they kept trying to kill my mc'd shadow priests`
`17:06.31`	`kenlyric`	`and that was only a couple weeks ago.`
`17:06.37`	`Saroz_`	`Ammo, you fucked up bigwigs with removing tablet, it looks like SHIT`
`17:06.40`	`art3mis`	`despie me saying dont do that thier dot does 500 and thier mf does 900 for 3 seconds`
`17:06.55`	`copystring`	`any ace addon wich is compareable to eliteplayerframe?`
`17:07.05`	`art3mis`	`"but he heals" "no thats the acolyte, the priests glow black, do you see me healing when i glow black?"`
`17:07.17`	`art3mis`	`"oh"`
`17:07.24`	`kenlyric`	`lol.`
`17:07.26`	`kenlyric`	`sure, VE :)`
`17:07.30`	`art3mis`	`laugh`
`17:07.35`	`art3mis`	`oh the best aprt about mcing those rpeists`
`17:07.42`	`art3mis`	`once everythings dead you spam sahdowform`
`17:07.48`	`art3mis`	`and chew through all thier mana`
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`17:10.51`	`trh`	`lol http://www.darklegacycomics.com/index.html`
`17:10.58`	`*** join/#wowace Gagorian (i=rw3@GMMMCCXLVII.dsl.saunalahti.fi)`
`17:11.03`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`art3mis: just like a real priest!`
`17:12.42`	`CIA-11`	`03nickenyfiken 07Nickenyfiken * r32823 10FuBar_TrainerFu/TrainerFu.lua: FuBar_TrainerFu: Even more fixes to skill filtering.`
`17:13.46`	`*** join/#wowace Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-63-222.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`17:14.16`	`kenlyric`	`yet even more fixes.`
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`17:16.15`	`kenlyric`	`one of these days, I'm gonna learn how to mouse turn.`
`17:16.33`	`snurre`	`hm, i wonder if i should name my new guild Goat Happens`
`17:16.34`	`kenlyric`	`I do it in FPS all the time.`
`17:16.44`	`*** join/#wowace dotted (n=me@0x555157c7.adsl.cybercity.dk)`
`17:16.51`	`Stephmw`	`it's not rocket science :)`
`17:18.01`	`*** join/#wowace FISKER_Q (i=ballmer@85.24.17.250.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk)`
`17:18.36`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Fuck TrainerFu! Anyone want to adopt it? :-P`
`17:18.43`	`*** join/#wowace Josh_Borke (n=Josh@early.stl.gtri.gatech.edu)`
`17:19.06`	`FISKER_Q`	`nymbia !`
`17:19.08`	`FISKER_Q`	`!!!1`
`17:19.24`	`pastamancer`	`snurre: In Goat We Trust?`
`17:20.02`	`snurre`	`:p`
`17:20.10`	`snurre`	`well, it's Crit Happens and Hi Goat merging`
`17:20.20`	`snurre`	`so Goat Happens seems to be a good name :p`
`17:21.13`	`kenlyric`	`don't take away my trainer fu!`
`17:22.21`	`Saroz_`	`ehh`
`17:22.26`	`Saroz_`	`gruulassist isnt built in`
`17:22.26`	`*** part/#wowace Eternally777 (i=eternall@pool-72-95-3-27.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net)`
`17:22.37`	`FISKER_Q`	`i'm wondering something nymbia`
`17:22.41`	`FISKER_Q`	`unfortunately i don't know what`
`17:22.52`	`nymbia`	`lol`
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`17:24.03`	`CIA-11`	`03lordrhys * r32824 10FuBar_FactionItemsFu/FactionItemsFuLocals.lua: FuBar_FactionItemsFu: corrected Mag'har faction name in one table to 'The Mag'har', corrected mispaelling of an item name`
`17:24.29`	`nymbia`	`item name?`
`17:24.36`	`nymbia`	`who uses item names these days?`
`17:24.37`	`FISKER_Q`	`you're safe for now!`
`17:24.44`	`FISKER_Q`	`Dunno`
`17:24.55`	`FISKER_Q`	`Perhaps he's creating his own tooltips?`
`17:25.05`	`nymbia`	`pft`
`17:25.23`	`nymbia`	`speaking of i loaded up AtlasLoot on test server just for laughs`
`17:25.29`	`nymbia`	`3.5 megs`
`17:25.37`	`Kirkburn`	`...`
`17:25.39`	`Kirkburn`	`ouch`
`17:25.48`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`17:25.51`	`art3mis`	`www.wowecon.com`
`17:25.58`	`art3mis`	`^^ groovier than auctioneer`
`17:26.04`	`nymbia`	`but it makes sense, have you seen his data storage mechanism?`
`17:26.24`	`Chompers`	`is it bad?`
`17:26.50`	`art3mis`	`corrected mispaelling of an item name <-- thats too perfect`
`17:26.50`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`17:26.55`	`nymbia`	`Chompers: very`
`17:27.05`	`Chompers`	`inefficent i guess?`
`17:27.16`	`JJSheets`	`Who broke Aloft?`
`17:27.26`	`nymbia`	`well each item has like 3 tables`
`17:27.27`	`nymbia`	`so yes`
`17:28.30`	`FISKER_Q`	`how is the addon itself art3mis?`
`17:28.41`	`FISKER_Q`	`Fucking awesome`
`17:28.44`	`FISKER_Q`	`I love these guys`
`17:29.17`	`FISKER_Q`	`Some dude: Are you gay Fiskerdin? (Lots of spaces) [1. General] [Fiskerdin]: Of course i am!`
`17:29.26`	`FISKER_Q`	`[1. General] [Fiskerdin]: Reported`
`17:29.29`	`FISKER_Q`	`some dude logs off`
`17:29.46`	`FISKER_Q`	`Last time someone called me a dick he got banned for 3 days`
`17:29.50`	`JJSheets`	`heh`
`17:30.00`	`JJSheets`	`FISKER_Q, you're a dick. :p`
`17:30.11`	`nymbia`	`burn`
`17:30.14`	`FISKER_Q`	`yeah`
`17:30.22`	`CIA-11`	`03jerry 072.1 * r32825 10BlameGenerator/BlameGenerator/ (BlameGenerator.toc core.lua): BlameGenerator: remove remaining traces of previous name. fix TOC version.`
`17:30.32`	`kenlyric`	`what's [1. General]?`
`17:30.33`	`Nickenyfiken`	`BlameGenerator?`
`17:31.07`	`kenlyric`	`oh right, that's the thing I read on the test realm since I can't fight mobs or do anything else.`
`17:33.07`	`Chompers`	`nymbia`
`17:33.11`	`*** join/#wowace Fisker- (i=ballmer@85.24.17.250.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk)`
`17:33.13`	`Chompers`	`why would someone use 3 tables per item :S`
`17:33.29`	`Chompers`	`thats so stupid, espically for such a widely used addon`
`17:33.39`	`Fisker-`	`so`
`17:33.48`	`Fisker-`	`is wowecon worth shit art3mis?`
`17:34.21`	`nevcairiel`	`wtf is blamegenerator?`
`17:34.22`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`http://www.darklegacycomics.com/69.jpg =x`
`17:34.24`	`shieldb`	`who's jerry?`
`17:34.38`	`Fisker-`	`nevcairiel 2.1 + blame probably some profiling shit`
`17:34.45`	`shieldb`	`or rather, is jerry in the channel :)`
`17:36.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Breaking news - "At least 22 people have been killed and 21 more injured after a gunman went on the rampage at the campus of Virginia Tech university in Virginia, US." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6560685.stm`
`17:36.19`	`JJSheets`	`sedatedChipmunk, ahhahahhahahhaa`
`17:36.34`	`*** join/#wowace Tupsi (n=Miranda@p54B21940.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`17:36.37`	`Fisker-`	`ouch`
`17:37.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Main story on the BBC atm`
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`17:37.46`	`nymbia`	`Chompers: well it's more like 4 tables per instance, a few tables per boss, and a needlessly big table for each item, but you get the idea`
`17:38.16`	`nymbia`	`there's a ton of empty tables in the data sets too`
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`17:38.45`	`nymbia`	`like 5 repetitions of { 0,"","","" }, in each boss's table`
`17:38.51`	`Herio`	`anyone have a favorite spot for grinding scryer rep?`
`17:38.52`	`fritz`	`hi there`
`17:39.39`	`fritz`	`im searching for a plugin wich spams my quest improvement/progress`
`17:39.46`	`Nickenyfiken`	`I am happy i don't study at a university in US :-/`
`17:39.47`	`shieldb`	`Herio, pre-honored or no?`
`17:39.55`	`Herio`	`revered`
`17:40.00`	`Herio`	`working toward exalted`
`17:40.01`	`art3mis`	`Fisker-: well the normal one works sorta like how mobmap does`
`17:40.03`	`Herio`	`http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/16/us/16cnd-shooting.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin?`
`17:40.09`	`art3mis`	`the exe exists just to update data`
`17:40.25`	`art3mis`	`the addon is free.. the premium the advertise on the site gives you maps and graphs for trends etc`
`17:40.49`	`art3mis`	`its smaller than auctioneer/bottomfeeder and the output in the tooltip kicks the crap out of enchantrix`
`17:41.04`	`Herio`	`wow econ?`
`17:41.16`	`shieldb`	`Herio, I was sort of partial to the area around manaforge b'naar or whatever in SW netherstorm`
`17:41.26`	`shieldb`	`outside of area52`
`17:41.41`	`Herio`	`I'll check it oot`
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`17:43.39`	`fritz`	`wei� wer woran das liegt wenn nauticus keien updates austauscht?`
`17:43.57`	`fritz`	`ups sry`
`17:44.22`	`fritz`	`anyone has an idea why nauticus does not exchange information?`
`17:45.08`	`fritz`	`and i search a plugin wich informs my partymember about my queststatus (killed X/Y monster of type Z etc.)`
`17:45.22`	`snurre`	`questfu does that?`
`17:45.48`	`Scre3m`	`it'd be interesting in an addon like that that doesnt interact witht he questlog window`
`17:45.53`	`Scre3m`	`a standalone`
`17:45.56`	`Scre3m`	`interested*`
`17:45.56`	`fritz`	`does it need to to be installed on both sides?`
`17:46.14`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`you can set it to say in partychat`
`17:46.17`	`Scre3m`	`questfu and extended quest log don't play nice together`
`17:46.25`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`if the other person doesn't have it`
`17:46.45`	`fritz`	`ok thank you ill try questfu now`
`17:48.58`	`fritz`	`<Scre3m> it'd be interesting in an addon like that that doesnt interact witht he questlog window <<< what did you mean by that? did not understand well`
`17:49.06`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r32826 10Tattle/ (. data.lua dataminer.lua):`
`17:49.06`	`CIA-11`	`Tattle: initial import`
`17:49.06`	`CIA-11`	`- Will show data on the spec and arena rating/ranking of any character in your battlegroup.`
`17:49.06`	`CIA-11`	`- At the moment, it's just a dataminer and a half-complete data file (if someone in europe wants to finish the datamining, go for it, wow-europe is slow for me)`
`17:49.42`	`fritz`	`ok hwo to use questfu?`
`17:51.54`	`sbu`	`hmmm nymbia`
`17:51.58`	`Fisker-`	`so let me get this straight art3mis :O`
`17:52.06`	`Fisker-`	`you need the premium version to scan stuff?`
`17:52.15`	`Fisker-`	`nymbia`
`17:52.23`	`Fisker-`	`If you show me how to use the shit in windows`
`17:52.25`	`Fisker-`	`i will do it for you`
`17:53.34`	`sbu`	`same here`
`17:54.41`	`Fisker-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:55.50`	`sbu`	`hmm wtb socket.http`
`17:55.53`	`CIA-11`	`03nickenyfiken 07Nickenyfiken * r32827 10FuBar_TrainerFu/TrainerFu.lua: FuBar_TrainerFu: Filtering fixes again! If someone actually use this piece of crap and it tells you can learn something you already have learned please tell me.`
`17:56.04`	`Fisker-`	`How did you even get lua installed?`
`17:57.30`	`fritz`	`(how) can i use questfu to tell my currect progress?`
`17:57.37`	`*** join/#wowace Saladin (i=Saladin@084202229117.customer.alfanett.no)`
`17:57.46`	`fritz`	`it seems only to output if somethings changes`
`17:58.47`	`sbu`	`k got it`
`18:00.10`	`TecnoBrat`	`hahaha "If someone actually use this piece of crap"`
`18:00.39`	`fritz`	`aah got it`
`18:00.52`	`Fisker-`	`nooooo sbu`
`18:00.56`	`Fisker-`	`i want to know how you dooooo`
`18:01.02`	`sbu`	`hehe`
`18:01.02`	`sbu`	`:)`
`18:03.39`	`kenlyric`	`poor nick...`
`18:03.46`	`kenlyric`	`I use that piece of crap, and it never lies to me.`
`18:09.05`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r32828 10BigWigs/Extras/Proximity.lua: BigWigs: Extras/Proximity: tweaks`
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`18:12.29`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ`
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`18:16.47`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Bah whats up with Aloft? :-(`
`18:18.03`	`Fisker-`	`<snappy response> your mother`
`18:18.25`	`Herio`	`http://files.filefront.com/UEv2_teasertrailer_HD_xvidavi/;7240341;/fileinfo.html`
`18:18.27`	`Herio`	`wowwie`
`18:18.48`	`sbu`	`nymbia! :o`
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`18:20.27`	`nymbia`	`sbu!`
`18:20.29`	`nymbia`	`OH`
`18:20.34`	`nymbia`	`yeah it takes a while`
`18:20.40`	`nymbia`	`thanks though :)`
`18:20.50`	`sbu`	`err 1 moment :)`
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`18:20.53`	`Fisker-`	`I learned lua just for you!`
`18:21.06`	`Fisker-`	`(Now i can finally run the wowhead dataminer HAHAHAHAHA)`
`18:21.14`	`Fisker-`	`Blood Guard Porung will not evade my wrath again`
`18:21.29`	`nymbia`	`LOL`
`18:21.31`	`sbu`	`nymbia: you cant respond to queries?`
`18:21.36`	`sbu`	`:)`
`18:21.45`	`nymbia`	`sbu: not id'd at the moment ;)`
`18:21.57`	`sbu`	`uhm but you can read? :o`
`18:22.02`	`sbu`	`so i can post you some idea? :o`
`18:22.14`	`Mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/owl.jpg`
`18:22.20`	`nymbia`	`yeah i can read`
`18:22.21`	`Fisker-`	`You can whisper to non-id'ed users i think`
`18:22.24`	`Fisker-`	`can't`
`18:22.24`	`Fisker-`	`oh`
`18:22.27`	`Fisker-`	`well`
`18:22.28`	`Fisker-`	`as i wrote`
`18:22.29`	`Fisker-`	`you can`
`18:22.38`	`nymbia`	`i just dont hear em cuz they dont beep as loud`
`18:22.40`	`Fisker-`	`saved by the typo`
`18:23.05`	`sbu`	`nymbia: have a look please ;o`
`18:23.34`	`kenlyric`	`should that make sense to me?`
`18:23.42`	`sbu`	`nope`
`18:23.59`	`kenlyric`	`herio's link, I mean`
`18:24.19`	`nymbia`	`sbu: hmm... well i'm not sure about saving all that data. but the data there is is enough to display all the members of a team once you've seen one person`
`18:24.30`	`shieldb`	`kenlyric, I'm guessing not, at the end of the video it says "Still No Point" "Still no Plot"`
`18:24.35`	`shieldb`	`but I've got no sound at work here`
`18:24.40`	`Herio`	`huh?`
`18:24.44`	`sbu`	`nymbia: it is? you dont have team names?`
`18:25.09`	`nymbia`	`sbu: but we have ranking`
`18:25.43`	`Herio`	`http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=37245`
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`18:25.55`	`Herio`	`all it really is is a bunch of amazing editing ;O`
`18:27.56`	`kenlyric`	`shi If you hate trance and the using of effects, this movie might not be for you.`
`18:28.08`	`kenlyric`	`oh, you mean 97% of all wow movies?`
`18:28.26`	`knarf-`	`Herio your playing on TH? >:`
`18:29.37`	`kenlyric`	`best wow video paired with the most fitting song evah! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ryNJVreiY`
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`18:31.17`	`sbu`	`nymbia: again... :p`
`18:31.48`	`nymbia`	`sbu: ah i get it`
`18:32.02`	`Fisker-`	`sow what BG you at sbu ?`
`18:32.08`	`fritz`	`re`
`18:32.14`	`Fisker-`	`You know what would be cool?`
`18:32.24`	`Fisker-`	`Ingame database of all professions`
`18:32.28`	`sbu`	`nymbia: because it really sucks if you can see 2 / 5 players`
`18:32.48`	`sbu`	`yesterday we had 1 pally, 1 hunter, 2 druid, 1 rogue`
`18:32.56`	`Fisker-`	`It would be so cool nymbia`
`18:32.58`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`18:32.59`	`Fisker-`	`shakes fist`
`18:33.09`	`kenlyric`	`it's better when you see one.`
`18:33.13`	`kenlyric`	`and that one is a priest.`
`18:33.27`	`sbu`	`hehe`
`18:33.32`	`kenlyric`	`though obviously, in an arena, you know they have friends.`
`18:33.40`	`sbu`	`with 51/0/0? :p`
`18:33.41`	`Herio`	`knarf- TH?`
`18:33.44`	`kenlyric`	`I love playing squishy target in BGs.`
`18:33.58`	`knarf-`	`Herio just the movie you linked, from twilight's hammer :)`
`18:34.07`	`kenlyric`	`yes, please continue to hit me while my shadow priest and mage friend murder you.`
`18:34.20`	`Herio`	`no`
`18:34.26`	`Herio`	`I play on gorg`
`18:34.39`	`Herio`	`I be rockin' g-nash`
`18:34.40`	`sbu`	`Fisker-: Verderbnis (DE)`
`18:34.48`	`sbu`	`oh... DE servers are not EU? wtf`
`18:35.01`	`Fisker-`	`should be?`
`18:35.06`	`sbu`	`hm no`
`18:35.09`	`Fisker-`	`yes?`
`18:35.41`	`Fisker-`	`english realms aren't paired with german, french or spanish realms though`
`18:35.43`	`Fisker-`	`i believe`
`18:35.52`	`sbu`	`http://armory.wow-europe.com/battlegroups.xml`
`18:35.53`	`sbu`	`yep :o`
`18:35.59`	`sbu`	`orr no`
`18:36.09`	`sbu`	`there are frensh in`
`18:36.16`	`kenlyric`	`a bg like that would be fun :)`
`18:36.20`	`sbu`	`french :/`
`18:36.37`	`nymbia`	`are there more battlegroups that arent on there?`
`18:37.22`	`sbu`	`hmm yep http://www.wowwiki.com/Battlegroup`
`18:37.43`	`kenlyric`	`notify spam`
`18:37.53`	`kenlyric`	`hmmm, this isn't my terminal window.`
`18:38.43`	`Fisker-`	`Curse you nymbia`
`18:39.00`	`Fisker-`	`lua5.1: dataminer.lua:665: attempt to index local 'itemstring' (a nil value)`
`18:39.02`	`Fisker-`	`My plan failed`
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`18:40.05`	`Fisker-`	`But nymbia`
`18:40.09`	`Fisker-`	`my plan is brilliant`
`18:40.33`	`Fisker-`	`Make some kind of dataminer for people's profession`
`18:40.48`	`Fisker-`	`make a database over it, per server/faction`
`18:40.51`	`Fisker-`	`And make it searchable`
`18:40.53`	`sbu`	`hmm well - its not that interesting since you cant see the receipes`
`18:41.05`	`Fisker-`	`Well it'll help a bit`
`18:41.38`	`Fisker-`	`problem would be keeping data updated though`
`18:41.48`	`Fisker-`	`For reliabillity you'd want to keep it updated each day`
`18:42.49`	`nymbia`	`i almost added that kind of stuff to the tattle miner. gear too. but that needed one more page request so i left it out for now`
`18:43.06`	`Fisker-`	`Page requests are our friend`
`18:43.19`	`Fisker-`	`Rename it TattleTale and make it a fullfeatured armory spy`
`18:43.32`	`Fisker-`	`fucking awesome amirite?`
`18:43.43`	`kenlyric`	`indeedy.`
`18:44.23`	`kenlyric`	`I can think all sorts of useful tie-ins to the game... an inspect feature for cross faction that shows their armory items.`
`18:47.23`	`Fisker-`	`I fucking love this shit`
`18:47.46`	`Fisker-`	`Blizzard finally admitting that EU is basically second rate when it comes to betatests`
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`18:50.50`	`kenlyric`	`I like how blizzard finally admited that they balance raid encounters around all 40 (25) members being buffed as much as humanly possible. Though honestly, is it much of a confession if everybody knew that already?`
`18:51.05`	`nymbia`	`ow my spleen`
`18:52.46`	`kebinusan`	`I just really hate how they nerf alchemy to 'fix' the problem, just continue to balance encounters around consumables and increase the drops from herbing`
`18:53.09`	`Fisker-`	`awesome`
`18:53.23`	`nymbia`	`the fel lotus increase isnt gonna be enough`
`18:53.34`	`Fisker-`	`In my opinion Alchemy and enchanting has always been amongst the best crafting business`
`18:53.35`	`Herio`	`yawn`
`18:53.50`	`Fisker-`	`As long as you get the recipes of course`
`18:54.03`	`kenlyric`	`in the end though, they all go towards 0.`
`18:54.09`	`nymbia`	`triple the number of lotuses and boost the droprate from 1.5% to 1.8%.... good job.`
`18:54.10`	`kenlyric`	`people won't pay more than mats costs for most of it.`
`18:54.23`	`kebinusan`	`but hey, now only a handful of herbs are useful since most elixirs have been rendered useless`
`18:54.25`	`nymbia`	`s/lotuses/lotuses required/`
`18:54.25`	`Herio`	`they balance the learning of the encounter on being stacked on consumables, but once you get it down and increase your gear level you should be fine, amirite?`
`18:54.40`	`kenlyric`	`nybia how does it triple the number of lotuses required?`
`18:54.49`	`nymbia`	`its still 1 per flask`
`18:55.07`	`nymbia`	`whereas the other flask mats have been dropped to 30% of what they were`
`18:55.16`	`kenlyric`	`o.O`
`18:55.19`	`kenlyric`	`that's fuzzy logic.`
`18:55.24`	`sbu`	`meeh`
`18:55.26`	`kenlyric`	`you can still only take one every two hours :)`
`18:55.29`	`sbu`	`server is slower than dialup conn`
`18:55.30`	`Herio`	`demand doesn't change`
`18:55.33`	`sbu`	`testing another one`
`18:55.34`	`kebinusan`	`so nice oto completely trivialize a proff after to 2.5 years`
`18:55.40`	`nymbia`	`course flasks are far less useful on the whole now`
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`18:55.56`	`kenlyric`	`flasks are for when you will die, elixirs are for when you will not.`
`18:56.00`	`kenlyric`	`simple!`
`18:56.01`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`18:56.04`	`Herio`	`you need the same number of flasks, or less, but the mats are more abundant... ?`
`18:56.05`	`kenlyric`	`fisher price my first MMO!`
`18:56.28`	`shieldb`	`kebinusan, I'd rather have alchemy become less useful then engineering is currently if it means that there isn't mandatory farming to be able to raid effectively`
`18:56.52`	`shieldb`	`or do it like arenas - remove all buffs on zonein and only allow class buffs and maybe potions`
`18:57.08`	`kebinusan`	`shieldb: see Id rather they just increase the drops of herbs from notes say, no more 1 herb nodes, max of 5, and/or allowing multiple picks of the same plant`
`18:57.35`	`kebinusan`	`you can incresae the drop of herbs, thus reducing the cost, and satisfy the reduced farming w/o completely changing alchemy`
`18:57.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`can castsequence be used to create a buff macro?`
`18:58.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'm tired of buffing myself and my leveling friend with BoW all the time ;D`
`18:58.14`	`the_squid`	`Gnarfoz, how do you mean?`
`18:58.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:58.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`(which does not work, just to get an idea of what I'm asking)`
`18:58.55`	`shieldb`	`kebinusan, that doesn't really solve the issue, though`
`18:59.03`	`kebinusan`	`of course it does`
`18:59.18`	`kebinusan`	`it reduces the amount of time needed to farm`
`18:59.30`	`shieldb`	`that's not really any different from increasing the skinning droprates like they're doing on high level stuff and requiring that you have X craftable item from leatherworkers to be attempting encounters as they're tuned`
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`18:59.52`	`kebinusan`	`why dont we just nerf all enchants since clearly encounters are balanced around people enchanting their gear too while we are at it`
`19:00.07`	`sbu`	`i dont get it - dialup still faster :/`
`19:00.09`	`shieldb`	`ahh, but enchants are a one time and you're done thing`
`19:00.27`	`Herio`	`they should just nerf everything`
`19:00.39`	`Herio`	`then we call all go play bingo for our gear`
`19:00.49`	`Herio`	`b 26!`
`19:00.53`	`shieldb`	`you don't need to re-farm a mongoose enchant every few days for your sword or whatever`
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`19:00.55`	`Herio`	`g32!`
`19:01.11`	`kebinusan`	`you could have just made elixirs last through death too`
`19:01.22`	`Fisker-`	`Nerf your mother ll`
`19:01.23`	`Fisker-`	`opl`
`19:01.23`	`kebinusan`	`instead of completely screwing over an established trade skill`
`19:01.24`	`Fisker-`	`ol`
`19:01.26`	`kebinusan`	`its a joke now`
`19:01.39`	`Herio`	`what's a joke?`
`19:01.40`	`kebinusan`	`wow flasks add a whole 500hp`
`19:01.59`	`kebinusan`	`most elixirs are worthless since you cant have more than one at a time`
`19:02.10`	`kebinusan`	`who is going to use adepts when firepower is more potent, etc`
`19:02.23`	`Fisker-`	`i was`
`19:02.28`	`Fisker-`	`But they nerfed paladins`
`19:02.32`	`Fisker-`	`so i'm gonna use mageblood instead`
`19:02.34`	`Bruners`	`just nerf firepower then`
`19:02.42`	`kebinusan`	`yeah amazing solution`
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`19:02.44`	`Hjalte`	`kebinusan, well, you're not always fighting hard bosses. cheaper pots are fine for 5mans and so on`
`19:02.50`	`Chompers`	`have the mats for mongoose changed?`
`19:02.55`	`sbu`	`nymbia: do you want me to commit finished battlegroups?`
`19:03.02`	`kebinusan`	`who the hell uses pots in 5 mans`
`19:03.04`	`CIA-11`	`03jncl * r32829 10Skinner/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Skinner: Skinned Sanity2; Updated HoloFriends & SuperMacro; Fixed KnowledgeBase bug; Fixed Inverted Gradient bug`
`19:03.07`	`Fisker-`	`Isn't firepower the cheapest of the 2?`
`19:03.09`	`Fisker-`	`:D`
`19:03.19`	`kenlyric`	`kebinusan: I'll use adepts probably.`
`19:03.21`	`Fisker-`	`Firepowr is some level 40 recipe or something`
`19:03.32`	`kenlyric`	`or mastery.`
`19:03.41`	`kebinusan`	`besides, if they really wanted to reduce farming, they could increase the drops per herb node and make lichen drop outside of instances`
`19:03.50`	`Bruners`	`firepower needs firebloom iirc ?`
`19:03.55`	`kenlyric`	`eh, you can farm slave pens solo for lichen`
`19:04.27`	`kebinusan`	`I just honestly dont see how completely screwing over alchemy benefits anyone`
`19:05.13`	`kenlyric`	`see, they see it as "making it not absolutely essential"`
`19:05.23`	`kenlyric`	`a unique position alchemy has enjoyed among all the other professions.`
`19:06.13`	`kebinusan`	`and unlike other professions alchemy has zero personal benefit, well aside from the crappy trinket`
`19:06.31`	`kebinusan`	`at least enchanters get self only enchants, other professions can make their own gear`
`19:06.31`	`mikebro`	`It could be worse, you could be an engineer`
`19:06.39`	`Herio`	`kebi: zero exclusively personal benefit`
`19:07.01`	`Fisker-`	`Before TBC no profession had any of that shit`
`19:07.22`	`kenlyric`	`oh, come on now, tailoring had 1 bop pattern for each cloth class.`
`19:07.49`	`sbu`	`engineer ftl :/`
`19:08.10`	`sbu`	`well... i want to see that powerheal 4000 goggles`
`19:08.14`	`Fisker-`	`1 profession had some crappy bop patterns alright`
`19:08.19`	`sbu`	`need something with 80heal and >10mp5`
`19:08.21`	`sbu`	`would be nice then`
`19:08.32`	`kenlyric`	`80mp5`
`19:08.36`	`sbu`	`!`
`19:08.37`	`kenlyric`	`fuck the heal`
`19:08.44`	`kenlyric`	`healing is for durids`
`19:09.21`	`kenlyric`	`kebinusan: it's pretty common practice in WoW... fix something by nerfing something else.`
`19:09.40`	`kebinusan`	`whats common in wow is fix something by nerfing 10 unrelated things`
`19:09.52`	`kebinusan`	`frankly after 2.5 years Ive just grown quite annoyed with it`
`19:09.54`	`kenlyric`	`Fix encounter imbalance by nerfing alchemy. Fix priests by nerfing paladins. Fix warriors by nerfing druids. etc.`
`19:10.14`	`kenlyric`	`fix PVP by nerfing pve, which always the most awesome kind of change.`
`19:10.15`	`kebinusan`	`there was no encounter imbalance, the problem was people qqing about having to farm too much for consumables`
`19:10.25`	`kenlyric`	`that's encounter imbalance.`
`19:10.28`	`kebinusan`	`so instead of making farming easier they make the tradeskill worthless`
`19:10.46`	`kebinusan`	`no encounters were balanced just fine if your guild was run halfway decent`
`19:10.53`	`kenlyric`	`encounters shouldn't require anything besides the gear you take into them.`
`19:10.55`	`shieldb`	`kebinusan, are you kidding? The SSC/TK25/initial gruul encounters were tuned around flasking 25 people`
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`19:11.03`	`kenlyric`	`they should just be made less difficult by consumables.`
`19:11.22`	`kebinusan`	`our guild provides all consumables for encounters, taking donations from herbs and using mastery people to increase the consumables we get`
`19:11.28`	`kenlyric`	`shieldb: EVERY RAID encounter since BWL has been attuned around flasking AND full elixirs on the entire raid.`
`19:11.34`	`kebinusan`	`worked just fine to meet our weekly raiding needs`
`19:11.53`	`kenlyric`	`AQ40 and Naxx were both attuned around Decursive.`
`19:12.04`	`kebinusan`	`you never needed decursive for naxx`
`19:12.07`	`kebinusan`	`or aq40`
`19:12.10`	`kenlyric`	`dispel abilities received a nerf because of decursive, but those have not been restored now that decursive is gone...`
`19:12.25`	`shieldb`	`naxx was always very doable without decursive`
`19:12.33`	`Matrix110`	`no raid till NAxx was designed around flasks besides on tank Oo`
`19:12.49`	`Fisker-`	`kenlyric you mean the raid encounters or dispel?`
`19:12.58`	`kenlyric`	`kebinusan: you can honestly tell me that your guild weekly farmed flasks for 40 people and elixirs for 40 people and that didn't take a significant portion of your week? :)`
`19:13.01`	`Matrix110`	`we did everything included cthun without flasks on the whole raid or elixirs on the whole raid`
`19:13.10`	`Fisker-`	`Cause the dispel change was because you could easily dispel something that cost like 1000 mana for 100 mana`
`19:13.13`	`Herio`	`c'thun needed everyone to have consumables :O`
`19:13.16`	`Fisker-`	`which was imba`
`19:13.19`	`Matrix110`	`no Oo`
`19:13.20`	`Fisker-`	`so they nerfed it`
`19:13.25`	`kebinusan`	`yes, we only flask tanks everything else was just elixirs and maybe some mp5 flasks`
`19:13.32`	`Matrix110`	`cthun didnt need any consumable`
`19:13.35`	`Fisker-`	`Besides the "raids designed for decursive"-statement was retarded`
`19:13.45`	`kebinusan`	`and pre tbc it was easily farmed by donations, or running bwl/aq40 for gold`
`19:13.46`	`Matrix110`	`just mana oil for mages/locks maybe`
`19:13.46`	`Fisker-`	`Decursive was made because of the dispel intensive MC`
`19:13.53`	`trh`	`kebinusan: the ring enchants for enchanters are pretty imbalanced`
`19:13.55`	`kebinusan`	`now, we mostly just rely on donations from guildmates`
`19:14.00`	`Herio`	`mana... oil... for mages... and locks...`
`19:14.01`	`Herio`	`okay`
`19:14.26`	`Matrix110`	`yes mana oil`
`19:14.34`	`kebinusan`	`farming for consumables is not time consuming`
`19:14.51`	`kebinusan`	`you go in, flask tank, make attempts.. got the basics down start with consumables`
`19:15.04`	`sbu`	`nymbia? :o`
`19:15.09`	`nymbia`	`?`
`19:15.21`	`kebinusan`	`fact is that even balancing encounters around flasks wasnt a problem if you increased the ability to get herbs`
`19:15.39`	`kebinusan`	`what was a problem in tbc was balancing encounters around flasks you cannot get because of the retarded discovery system`
`19:15.50`	`sbu`	`1. do you want me to commit completed battlegroups (mining) 2. is my idea somehow realizable?`
`19:15.53`	`Matrix110`	`there was no encounter based on flasks besides on tank before naxx...`
`19:16.03`	`kebinusan`	`nef?`
`19:16.06`	`kebinusan`	`chromaggus?`
`19:16.10`	`kenlyric`	`a buff should give you an advantage, not be the base at which to work from.`
`19:16.15`	`trh`	`kebinusan: flask = elixirs`
`19:16.19`	`trh`	`kebinusan: err !=`
`19:16.19`	`mikebro`	`twin emps`
`19:16.23`	`kebinusan`	`twins`
`19:16.26`	`kenlyric`	`why would you use a flask on chrom?`
`19:16.27`	`kebinusan`	`huhu`
`19:16.31`	`Herio`	`keb: no, those were easily learned without flasks, or even consumables`
`19:16.34`	`Fisker-`	`Ruin (EU) - 5v5: getting team 154 of about 300. page requests: 2935. elapsed:59m`
`19:16.34`	`Fisker-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:16.35`	`Herio`	`keb...`
`19:16.35`	`kebinusan`	`when you were first learning it in mc gear`
`19:16.35`	`Fisker-`	`:o`
`19:16.38`	`kenlyric`	`I'm in a guild that's not all that good and even we didn't need that :)`
`19:16.43`	`kebinusan`	`you flasked for chromaggus`
`19:16.45`	`Herio`	`WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU FLASK DPS ON HUHU?`
`19:16.55`	`trh`	`kebinusan: you still didn't needed to flask for bwl`
`19:16.57`	`kenlyric`	`you gotta clear BWL awfully quick to get to chrom in MC gear...`
`19:17.00`	`trh`	`kebinusan: except for the tank`
`19:17.17`	`nymbia`	`sbu: no rush on the commits, just do em whenever. and yes it's doable ;)`
`19:17.19`	`kebinusan`	`and thats what he said, <Matrix110> there was no encounter based on flasks besides on tank before naxx...`
`19:17.20`	`Chompers`	`bah`
`19:17.27`	`Herio`	`we cleared BWL in 3 weeks and didn't need to flask dps`
`19:17.32`	`Chompers`	`aran to 26%`
`19:17.36`	`Chompers`	`bastard fight`
`19:17.40`	`kebinusan`	`I was responding to Matrix110's comment`
`19:17.42`	`Herio`	`I was topping the meters and I didn't even use consumables :O`
`19:17.44`	`kebinusan`	`sorry for the confusion`
`19:17.50`	`kenlyric`	`Chompers: MORE FLASKS!`
`19:17.51`	`kebinusan`	`and read it wrong`
`19:17.54`	`nuoHep`	`we started to use flasks on emps (only on tanks). first time ever. but after that...`
`19:17.55`	`trh`	`Chompers: aran fight is cheap... only everyone has to do everything right... and 2 warlocks are very nice to have`
`19:18.08`	`Chompers`	`thats the problem`
`19:18.27`	`kenlyric`	`trh: that's essentially true of most fights.`
`19:18.30`	`Chompers`	`and coming up with a plan for stopping the flame/frost attacks`
`19:18.31`	`sbu`	`nymbia: first battlegroup almost complete ;)`
`19:18.35`	`kebinusan`	`Chompers: we just make our prot warrior put on some frost resist and tank two of em, while a lock takes the other two`
`19:18.36`	`kenlyric`	`the problem is... getting 10 people capable of doing everything right...`
`19:18.42`	`nevcairiel`	`aran is one of the most fun fights in kara imho, finally something challenging :)`
`19:18.55`	`trh`	`kenlyric: no.. i think aran is beside nightbane and netherspite one of the hardest fights in kara`
`19:18.57`	`kebinusan`	`nevcairiel: I love all the voice acting in the at fight`
`19:19.01`	`nuoHep`	`kenlyric, not really. there is no way to beat hydross wout flaking. just not gonna happen`
`19:19.05`	`trh`	`kenlyric: the other ones are mostly tank and nuke nuke nuke`
`19:19.20`	`kenlyric`	`trh: so, we're not alone in thinking shade is hard?`
`19:19.22`	`kebinusan`	`nuoHep: except that the tanking hydross at 250% isnt going to be viable`
`19:19.32`	`Chompers`	`someone keeps interuping his arcane missles`
`19:19.38`	`kebinusan`	`so a sooner transition sort of negates the need to have 490 def`
`19:19.39`	`trh`	`kenlyric: yes, aran is hard, but if everyone does the right thing he is easy =)`
`19:19.40`	`kenlyric`	`Chompers, that person needs to die.`
`19:19.41`	`nuoHep`	`we never tanked him to 250`
`19:19.47`	`trh`	`kenlyric: but hard compared to other encounters`
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`19:20.19`	`Chompers`	`had a hunter that didnt know what a castbar was :P`
`19:20.20`	`nuoHep`	`if a warrior gets 250% its a 90% wipe for us`
`19:20.40`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, we a rogue and warrior who had no idea.`
`19:20.40`	`trh`	`Chompers: uh? the castbar doesnt matter for a hunter anyway on aran`
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`19:20.55`	`trh`	`Chompers: except for when flame wreath is cast ;)`
`19:20.58`	`Herio`	`aran is a hard learning curve, but once you learn it it becomes trivial`
`19:21.00`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`19:21.01`	`Chompers`	`exactly`
`19:21.10`	`Chompers`	`"why did i kill everynody?"`
`19:21.13`	`Chompers`	`*body`
`19:21.15`	`Herio`	`prince, on the other hand is basically a crap whoot with the infernal drops :O`
`19:21.16`	`trh`	`Chompers: lol :)`
`19:21.26`	`kenlyric`	`man, prince is so easy.`
`19:21.34`	`kenlyric`	`I can't believe epople actually had to cheat and use the doorway.`
`19:21.42`	`trh`	`Chompers: we usually only die if we got someone there who wasn't there yet, or on the elementals`
`19:21.49`	`kenlyric`	`I hope that screws over some guilds on my server, so I can laugh at them.`
`19:21.55`	`Fisker-`	`http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1176750980814.jpg <-i saw what he did there`
`19:22.01`	`Chompers`	`we just had flame wreath + elementals this time`
`19:22.03`	`Chompers`	`sucked`
`19:22.24`	`kebinusan`	`my big problem with prince is that the fight is too random`
`19:22.29`	`Herio`	`chompers, what's your compo?`
`19:22.40`	`kenlyric`	`kebinusan: it's the one fight where you kinda want a priest.`
`19:22.51`	`kenlyric`	`maybe that's why I like it.`
`19:22.51`	`trh`	`kenlyric: well... were doing it the cheap way, but we probably still can do it the hard way =)`
`19:23.00`	`kenlyric`	`trh: hackers. BANNED`
`19:23.11`	`trh`	`kenlyric: no, it's no exploit :)`
`19:23.12`	`Herio`	`frisker- myspace = lose`
`19:23.18`	`Fisker-`	`NOT MINE`
`19:23.21`	`Fisker-`	`and i'm not frisker :IO`
`19:23.27`	`kenlyric`	`trh: yeah, so they said... it's not an actionable exploit :)`
`19:23.34`	`kenlyric`	`but they still added a door....`
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`19:23.43`	`kenlyric`	`and everyone knew it was dirty.`
`19:23.44`	`trh`	`kenlyric: ya.. it's extensive usage of game mechanics ;)`
`19:23.58`	`kenlyric`	`just like running out on netherspite. Everyone knew it was dirty.`
`19:24.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`i hate running out on netherspite`
`19:24.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`i always die`
`19:24.27`	`kenlyric`	`I guess it's nice of them to be less harsh and actually fix the exploit.`
`19:24.32`	`trh`	`kenlyric: any idea where they are gonna add the door? up or down?`
`19:24.32`	`Herio`	`I thought running out was part of the encounter...`
`19:24.47`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, our only times on netherspite, I disliked the running out method more, so we weren't going to attempt it anymore.`
`19:25.01`	`nymbia`	`the only difficult part about staying in is the aggro transition`
`19:25.02`	`kenlyric`	`why would running out be part of the encounter?`
`19:25.15`	`trh`	`kenlyric: err? you're kidding`
`19:25.24`	`trh`	`kenlyric: there were many bwl encounters were running out of LOS`
`19:25.30`	`trh`	`kenlyric: was clearly the ONLY tactic to work`
`19:25.42`	`kebinusan`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=96002580&sid=1`
`19:26.01`	`kenlyric`	`why would running out be part of that encounter :)`
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`19:26.12`	`kebinusan`	`I just hate how in netherspite sometimes the beams decide not to spawn for a good 30 seconds into a phase`
`19:26.37`	`kenlyric`	`or, how the graphics are just screwed up and the beam just randomly decides not to be stopped by your body.`
`19:26.42`	`kebinusan`	`yeah`
`19:26.51`	`kebinusan`	`its a cool idea, but somewhat poorly implemented`
`19:26.54`	`kenlyric`	`A game with such a loose understanding of objects in space should not relay on mechanics so fine.`
`19:27.11`	`kebinusan`	`illhoof not sacrificing the main tank will be nice`
`19:27.13`	`Chompers`	`ARGHHHH`
`19:27.25`	`Chompers`	`a mage is interupting his arcane attack`
`19:27.27`	`kenlyric`	`that never happened to us.`
`19:27.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`does anybody know if its possible to have multiple arena teams in a battlegroup but different brackets with the same name?`
`19:27.29`	`Chompers`	`i know it`
`19:27.34`	`kenlyric`	`he sometimes liked to get me three times a fight...`
`19:28.03`	`kenlyric`	`depending on your strat, interrupting arcane is fine... as long as you leave something else alone :)`
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`19:28.05`	`trh`	`kebinusan: but illhoof isn't a real problem even with sacrificing the MT`
`19:28.23`	`kebinusan`	`it just makes the fight annoying`
`19:28.30`	`kebinusan`	`well more so`
`19:28.34`	`trh`	`kenlyric: we usually do the interrupt as much as possible tactic and have 2 warlocks care about the elementals ;)`
`19:28.38`	`Codayus`	`You can interupt all three schools and leave a tank in there.`
`19:28.53`	`Codayus`	`I'm not saying you SHOULD, but it does work.`
`19:28.56`	`kenlyric`	`our problem is that we dps too fast, but not fast enough.`
`19:29.07`	`kenlyric`	`so, invariably, the elementals pop up while he is drinking.`
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`19:29.43`	`trh`	`kenlyric: ... of course when we don't have to warlocks we dps slowly and drain mana alot, so the elementals don't spawn when we're sheeped`
`19:29.50`	`kenlyric`	`so really, at 50%, anything to make his mana drop.`
`19:29.51`	`trh`	`to = two`
`19:31.14`	`kenlyric`	`though I guess they've always intended you to kill some of those adds?`
`19:31.14`	`kenlyric`	`I can't think of any other reason to drop their HP.`
`19:31.15`	`trh`	`btw: is 3 tries to down maulgar at the first visit there ok? :)`
`19:31.16`	`snurre`	`never bothered killing them, we just CC them while dps'ing him down`
`19:31.16`	`snurre`	`47% mana left last time :p`
`19:31.16`	`Codayus`	`kenlyric: Yeah, that's how I read the patch notes.`
`19:31.16`	`kenlyric`	`snurre... you > us`
`19:31.21`	`mikebro`	`if you were dpsing too much he wouldnt drink at all ;)`
`19:31.21`	`kebinusan`	`kenlyric: about 80% of Maulgar is getting the pull right`
`19:31.23`	`Herio`	`with two locks we just fear 2 and banish 2`
`19:31.28`	`snurre`	`exactly`
`19:31.31`	`trh`	`ya.. with 2 warlocks aran is easy`
`19:31.34`	`trh`	`without.. he sucks`
`19:31.41`	`kebinusan`	`eh`
`19:31.42`	`Herio`	`psychic scream and the other one help too`
`19:31.50`	`kenlyric`	`we always have like 3 warlocks wanting to go to karazhan except on night 2 when we're doing shade...`
`19:31.57`	`kebinusan`	`jsut take your prot warrior whose dps sucks anyway, make him wear some frost resist and tank the elementals`
`19:32.03`	`kenlyric`	`psychic scream is how I die on shade.`
`19:32.09`	`shieldb`	`trh, if you have a warrior around they can pull threat on the elementals and get healed through the waterbolts pretty easily`
`19:32.21`	`kenlyric`	`because then I have a friendly elemental that wants to make me his bitch. Sometimes two!`
`19:32.44`	`trh`	`actually the pull on maulgar went all 3 tries we did very fine :)`
`19:32.48`	`kenlyric`	`we've found that the tank in frost resist gear is the easiest method.`
`19:32.58`	`trh`	`we died only because the mage tanking hadn't enough HP`
`19:33.07`	`kenlyric`	`but that's because our warlocks suck at the whole 2 CC thing.`
`19:33.12`	`trh`	`(until we put a warlock + tank in the mages group)`
`19:33.32`	`kenlyric`	`wtb new guild, pst.`
`19:33.42`	`trh`	`kenlyric: we got awesome warlocks ^^`
`19:33.48`	`Codayus`	`WTB Warlocks PST`
`19:33.51`	`trh`	`kenlyric: actually all players in our guild are pretty good`
`19:33.54`	`kenlyric`	`we have awesome healers, which is the only reason we've gotten this far.`
`19:34.01`	`kenlyric`	`and one awesome tank.`
`19:34.04`	`trh`	`at least when i compare them to what i see in other guilds and in pug's`
`19:34.07`	`Codayus`	`We've got...1 raiding warlock, and 1 lock who just got attuned since our last Kara raid. ><`
`19:34.14`	`winkiller`	`how does maulgar compare to Kara?`
`19:34.18`	`kenlyric`	`dps is just... not focused. And I... want to stab.`
`19:34.22`	`trh`	`winkiller: IMO alot easier than aran`
`19:34.37`	`Codayus`	`Maulgar is hm...harder than anything up to and including Curator. Easier than Aran or Prince?`
`19:34.42`	`trh`	`winkiller: but it's mostly about the pull and having people equipped good enough for tanking`
`19:35.06`	`winkiller`	`I hate Moroes atm`
`19:35.08`	`Codayus`	`Maulgar = organize the pull right, have 1 good mage with lots of HP, have 1-2 good MTs. Collect loot.`
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`19:35.20`	`winkiller`	`but I think 25 is better than 10..`
`19:35.24`	`kenlyric`	`I mean, I cannot fathom taking the curator down during the second evocate.`
`19:35.41`	`trh`	`Codayus: our mage had only 9.5k hp, but it worked :)`
`19:35.50`	`Codayus`	`Yeah, that's enough.`
`19:35.54`	`kenlyric`	`that should give you an idea about the dps quality i'm dealing with.`
`19:35.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`on good runs we send the curator directly form the end of second evocate to enrage`
`19:36.04`	`trh`	`Codayus: the guides tell something about 12k and more`
`19:36.05`	`Codayus`	`If you've got less, you can always flask him with titans. :-p`
`19:36.20`	`kenlyric`	`Arrowmaster: on good runs same, except it's the third evocate.`
`19:36.27`	`Matrix110`	`Mage tank just needs a good healer`
`19:36.30`	`kenlyric`	`and I've heard lots of stories of it happeninga fter the first evocate.`
`19:36.33`	`trh`	`Codayus: we only flasked the tank there... (druid bear with close to 18k hp :)`
`19:36.36`	`Codayus`	`12k makes healing retardedly easy. 9.5k needs...good healing. <shrug>`
`19:36.36`	`Matrix110`	`aeverything about 9k raid buffed works`
`19:36.39`	`kenlyric`	`<---- mage tank healer for maulgar :)`
`19:36.51`	`Matrix110`	`<--mage tank:P`
`19:36.52`	`kenlyric`	`finally, something a priest is good at!`
`19:36.57`	`Codayus`	`We don't flask anyone there...`
`19:36.57`	`Herio`	`on Friday, we killed aran during the poly`
`19:37.01`	`Herio`	`it was fucking bollocks`
`19:37.12`	`trh`	`and of course we had our AWESOME hunters (me and one other) to misdirect pull 2 adds and get our shaman`
`19:37.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`we got our first mulgar kill last week on wednesday, first gruul kill on saturday`
`19:37.22`	`trh`	`and had 230 nature resistance to tank the shaman =)`
`19:37.40`	`Codayus`	`trh...nature resist for the shaman? Meh, we don't bother.`
`19:37.54`	`trh`	`Codayus: got a meelee tank on him?`
`19:38.00`	`Codayus`	`No, 2 hunters, 1 healer`
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`19:38.07`	`Codayus`	`They don't take that much damage, really.`
`19:38.16`	`Codayus`	`I think one has like, 60 NR? The other 0.`
`19:38.19`	`trh`	`Codayus: well.. with 230 nr it's near to nothing :)`
`19:38.26`	`Codayus`	`Hmmm, I bet.`
`19:38.28`	`Matrix110`	`if you got hunters with huhuran NR gear its pretty nice with healing they need a renew now and then^^`
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`19:38.50`	`Codayus`	`Naa, we were a Nef guild before TBC. No NR gear at all.`
`19:38.59`	`trh`	`Matrix110: ya.. most of my NR gear was from that, i got some leather stamina + nr gear and had the +20 nr cloak made`
`19:39.14`	`trh`	`Matrix110: buffed with aura = 233 nr`
`19:39.23`	`Matrix110`	`i still got my NR gear(iam a mage) got 320NR rofl^^`
`19:39.28`	`trh`	`lol`
`19:39.38`	`Matrix110`	`tanked in AQ20 always the hunter boiss then`
`19:39.52`	`Codayus`	`Maulgar is, frankly, a really fun fight I think.`
`19:40.02`	`Matrix110`	`Maulgar is fun and not really hard`
`19:40.07`	`Matrix110`	`just complicated to setup`
`19:40.08`	`Codayus`	`Now if we just had like, TWICE the DPS...we could down Gruul. :-/`
`19:40.22`	`trh`	`Matrix110: hehe.. we always did that boss without any NR - had a mage in full pvp rank 13 set tanking him first`
`19:40.23`	`Matrix110`	`Gruul isnt that hard aswell after the nerf`
`19:40.25`	`Codayus`	`Yeah. I like that kind of fight. Fast, not hard, but need you to be kinda on the ball.`
`19:40.29`	`trh`	`Matrix110: let him die, battle ressed him`
`19:40.44`	`trh`	`Matrix110: then that thing came down ^^`
`19:40.45`	`Matrix110`	`i was healable with 50stacks`
`19:40.48`	`Matrix110`	`of the NR crap`
`19:40.54`	`Matrix110`	`we didnt dps him to test it^^`
`19:41.02`	`Codayus`	`Matrix110: Gruul is impossible if you lack DPS...`
`19:41.14`	`Codayus`	`The shatter doesn't get us, it's the 50 zillion growth stacks. :-/`
`19:41.40`	`Matrix110`	`get mages to get craftable gear ->900+ spelldmg same for warlocks`
`19:41.41`	`trh`	`we only tried gruul once, got him to 85% on the first try but had no time left`
`19:41.41`	`JoshBorke`	`you made it to 50 zillion growths?! wow, impressive`
`19:41.48`	`Codayus`	`Slight exageration. :-)`
`19:41.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`we were having problems with the tank dying at around 10 growths with gruul at like 30%`
`19:42.27`	`Matrix110`	`if you want to boost your mages dps btw get them a shadow priest+ele shaman its so insane`
`19:42.44`	`Matrix110`	`i could outdps a lock by 50k and hes normally like 50k infront of me^^`
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`19:43.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`we had like 3 shadow priests with i think 2 stacked caster groups and 1 stacked healer group`
`19:43.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`i got stuck in the tank group =(`
`19:43.45`	`trh`	`i'm happy if i'm in the tank group.. because our feral druid tanks and i get 5% crit :)`
`19:44.02`	`Matrix110`	`Swift Skyfire Diamond togehter with Quagmirrans Eye is so nice for a mage`
`19:44.12`	`Matrix110`	`then heroism is just lol casting time`
`19:44.35`	`kenlyric`	`what would a shadow priest be able to add to a mage?`
`19:44.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`even though i was in the tank group i still got 1st in damage done though, with no consumables expect for bluefish`
`19:44.41`	`kenlyric`	`(in the group)`
`19:44.42`	`Matrix110`	`kenlyric mana:P`
`19:44.44`	`trh`	`someone got links to the new darkmoon faire cards?`
`19:44.52`	`kenlyric`	`ah.`
`19:45.01`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`they're on mmo-champion.com`
`19:45.18`	Bibi`	`omg someone said mmo-champion !`
`19:45.19`	`Matrix110`	`even with mana stone+pot/evo you are oom @gruul at like 20% HP-.-`
`19:45.23`	Bibi`	`http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=106.0`
`19:45.25`	`Chompers`	`baaah`
`19:45.35`	`Chompers`	`and i cause flame wreath trying to grab an elemental`
`19:45.37`	`Chompers`	`go me`
`19:46.05`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`always happy to pimp a community member's site =)`
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`19:47.18`	`winkiller`	`I am still searching for a good setup for Moroes`
`19:48.35`	`kenlyric`	`Chompers... flame wreath > elemental`
`19:48.55`	`kenlyric`	`winkiller: bring two priests for easysauce.`
`19:48.59`	`Herio`	`Each time one of your direct damage attacks does not critically strike, you gain 17 critical strike rating and 17 spell critical strike rating for the next 10 sec. This effect is consumed when you deal a critical strike. (Stacks up to 20 times)`
`19:49.01`	`Herio`	`on use?`
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`19:49.16`	`winkiller`	`we had no chance without 2 priests, and still not down even with 2`
`19:49.20`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`cards are on equip, aren't they?`
`19:49.26`	`Herio`	`Each time one of your direct damage attacks does not critically strike, you gain 17 critical strike rating and 17 spell critical strike rating for the next 10 sec. This effect is consumed when you deal a critical strike. (Stacks up to 20 times)`
`19:49.32`	`Herio`	`is imba then`
`19:49.40`	`kenlyric`	`have two priests and two pallies helps :)`
`19:49.41`	`winkiller`	`but I can't find the mistake :/ Attumen is 25min already, but no chance on Moroes`
`19:49.45`	`winkiller`	`no pally`
`19:49.48`	`winkiller`	`Horde :P`
`19:49.50`	`Tornhoof`	`the critstrike thing is kinda useless for melee`
`19:49.53`	`winkiller`	`only 70 not attuned`
`19:49.59`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`it's basically a crit regulator`
`19:50.05`	`Tornhoof`	`especially if your gear is good`
`19:50.08`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`good for like fury warriors`
`19:50.19`	`Tornhoof`	`nah fury warriors already have enough crit afaik`
`19:50.22`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`people who get things triggered by crit`
`19:50.39`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`it evens out bad RNG luck`
`19:50.49`	`Tornhoof`	`yeh`
`19:52.30`	`trh`	`oh.. the new wrath card sounds nice`
`19:52.38`	`trh`	`Each time one of your direct damage attacks does not critically strike, you gain 17 critical strike rating and 17 spell critical strike rating for the next 10 sec. This effect is consumed when you deal a critical strike. (Stacks up to 20 times)`
`19:53.13`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`good, too, for hunter's expose weakness`
`19:53.14`	`kenlyric`	`can we please have someone else link that card's description?`
`19:53.16`	`skylah`	`Anyone knows if there is any addon what would increase my buff space so I could see more buffs ?`
`19:53.21`	`kenlyric`	`I haven't seen it in 30 seconds!`
`19:53.50`	`trh`	`kenlyric: oh.. lol.. i was reading it and didn't noticed herio ;)`
`19:53.51`	`kenlyric`	`and while you're at it, link the card that is useful for healers.`
`19:54.05`	`kenlyric`	`ow, my side hurts from laughing at my own silliness.`
`19:54.20`	`Scre3m`	`skylah, try buffalo`
`19:55.07`	`ckknight`	`Saroz_: why would you think I lived in Virginia`
`19:55.30`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`there was a university shooting there`
`19:55.44`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`knew you were in school`
`19:56.04`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`probably just makin' sure his addons wouldn't be without maintenance =)`
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`19:56.33`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`that they weren't end-of-lifed, so to speak`
`19:58.10`	`kenlyric`	`maybe one time you said the word virginia.`
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`20:02.17`	`Eternally777`	`ckknight: Is there a way to calculate the optimium second argument when calling 'collectgarbage("step", arg2)'?`
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`20:03.05`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz_: Ammo didn't do that, I did.`
`20:03.14`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz_: I'm going to make it a bit nicer shortly.`
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`20:08.28`	`Chompers`	`wiping sucks :<`
`20:09.24`	`kenlyric`	`wiping when it's your fault sucks even worse, right? :)`
`20:09.34`	`Chompers`	`nice`
`20:10.03`	`kenlyric`	`the trick to wiping the raid with flame wreath is to NEVER do it AGAIN.`
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`20:11.23`	`kenlyric`	`my first time in there, I discovered the maximum limit of things I could simultaneously do. And flame wreath was last on the list. So i just gave it higher priority so that could NEVER happen AGAIN`
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`20:12.02`	`Chompers`	`i've only ever wiped a raid with flame wreath once!`
`20:13.19`	`kenlyric`	`right. just NEVER do it AGAIN`
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`20:15.24`	`kenlyric`	`I think my favorite spam reports are the ones that come from mailing lists.`
`20:15.32`	`kenlyric`	`Just unsubscribe, moron.`
`20:16.13`	`sbu`	`hmm nymbia - that file is going to be hueg :/`
`20:16.34`	`sbu`	`2nd battlegroup and already 1.5mb`
`20:16.51`	`nymbia`	`yeah it'll be in the range of 3 megs`
`20:17.03`	`sbu`	`3mb / battlegroup? :p`
`20:17.05`	`Fisker-`	`choose your next words wisely nymbia`
`20:17.07`	`nymbia`	`nah total`
`20:17.29`	`sbu`	`ah - us is complete?`
`20:17.33`	`Fisker-`	`how far are you in glutsturm?`
`20:17.44`	`kenlyric`	`what is it he's doing?`
`20:17.46`	`sbu`	`2v2 / 271`
`20:17.51`	`nymbia`	`i havent decided between making lod modules for each different battlegroup or just nilling all the data that isnt used on load`
`20:17.53`	`Fisker-`	`hoho`
`20:17.56`	`Fisker-`	`i'm owning you`
`20:17.58`	`sbu`	`:/`
`20:18.01`	`Fisker-`	`3v3 her`
`20:18.01`	`Fisker-`	`e`
`20:18.06`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`20:18.08`	`sbu`	`meh`
`20:18.20`	`Fisker-`	`still nymbia`
`20:18.22`	`Fisker-`	`full-featured armory clone ingame`
`20:18.23`	`Fisker-`	`gogo`
`20:18.51`	`nymbia`	`well there's no good way to get data for every character, just the ones on arena teams`
`20:19.02`	`nymbia`	`but this is only the top 300 teams per bracket`
`20:19.10`	`sbu`	`oh...`
`20:19.10`	`nymbia`	`it'd be too much data with many more`
`20:19.14`	`sbu`	`hm yep`
`20:19.51`	`Fisker-`	`Choose your next words wisely persian`
`20:19.54`	`nymbia`	`easy enough to switch it to 500 or 1000 teams`
`20:20.33`	`Fisker-`	`then you'll have to start multithreading on your updates`
`20:20.39`	`sbu`	`hmm yep`
`20:20.40`	`Fisker-`	`or they'll be updated before you're done :P`
`20:21.03`	`Fisker-`	`aproximately 1 hour per battlegroup`
`20:21.08`	`sbu`	`nymbia: lod + different files for each battlegroup would be best`
`20:21.08`	`Fisker-`	`with 300 teams`
`20:21.17`	`sbu`	`so you can easily share updated battlegroup info`
`20:21.36`	`sbu`	`and it would ne no problem to extend it to 500/1k teams`
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`20:21.46`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`20:21.59`	`Fisker-`	`Choose your next words wisely ckknight`
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`20:22.11`	`ckknight`	`pants.`
`20:22.14`	`nymbia`	`'your mother'`
`20:22.21`	`Chompers`	`dongs.`
`20:22.30`	`Fisker-`	`thongs`
`20:22.33`	`Fisker-`	`ckknight !`
`20:22.40`	`Fisker-`	`I have inqiuries to make`
`20:22.40`	`ckknight`	`yes?`
`20:22.54`	`Fisker-`	`I dunno if this is clique or pitbull`
`20:23.09`	`Fisker-`	`But currently you rightclick your playerframe(no modifications) it opens the player menu`
`20:23.14`	`Fisker-`	`ctrl+right click for pitbull menu`
`20:23.28`	`Fisker-`	`I want clique to do something on rightclick, except the pitbull playerframe`
`20:23.39`	`Fisker-`	`But for some reason it shows the ctrl+rightclick menu`
`20:23.45`	`Fisker-`	`and not the player menu`
`20:24.29`	`Saroz_`	`vhaarr, make the tooltip hide on rightclick`
`20:26.58`	`Chompers`	`schlongs?`
`20:27.02`	`Chompers`	`uhm, nm`
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`20:29.20`	`Fisker-`	`Gonna sleep`
`20:29.35`	`Fisker-`	`Expecting ckknight to come over here in person and explain me the conoundrum`
`20:29.45`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`weakling`
`20:29.57`	`sedatedChipmunk`	`er`
`20:29.58`	`ckknight`	`um`
`20:30.01`	`Fisker-`	`Choose your next words wisely, Chipmunk..`
`20:30.03`	`ckknight`	`dunno.`
`20:30.05`	`hyperChipmunk`	`weakling`
`20:30.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`>8)`
`20:30.58`	`Fisker-`	`I will go to bed and choose my next question wisely then`
`20:38.32`	`Bruners`	`i really hate the paladin way of giving buffs`
`20:38.49`	`Ominous`	`has there been no commits or is CIA-11 slacking?`
`20:39.14`	`kenlyric`	`Bruners: it's kinda dumb in a 10 man.`
`20:39.17`	`Bruners`	`what is the point of only having 5/15 min buffs?`
`20:39.58`	`kenlyric`	`Bruners: so they can cost less... so you can change them more frequently?`
`20:40.04`	`kenlyric`	`I dunno, I can't make sense of it either.`
`20:40.46`	`Bruners`	`and you cant give 15min buffs to people outside your party`
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`20:42.50`	`kenlyric`	`like most things that don't make sense in wow, I'm sure it's either a DnD or everquest thing.`
`20:43.09`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`20:43.48`	`kenlyric`	`like, why does buffing take mana at all?`
`20:44.11`	`Bruners`	`its a benfir spell`
`20:44.30`	`kenlyric`	`translation?`
`20:44.38`	`nevcairiel`	`every spell out of combat should be free`
`20:44.39`	`nevcairiel`	`imho`
`20:44.40`	`nevcairiel`	`^^`
`20:44.57`	`kenlyric`	`it's not like casting a buff in combat is OP.`
`20:45.02`	`Matrix110`	`dont complain about buffin in WoW...`
`20:45.06`	`Matrix110`	`its piss easy already`
`20:45.24`	`JJSheets`	`Free spells? Bah, next you damn hippies will ask cats and dogs to get along in perfect harmony...`
`20:45.38`	`kenlyric`	`yes, but what's the logic behind a buff taking 3600 mana?`
`20:45.41`	`Matrix110`	`the mmorpg i played before had like 8buffs and all 3mins or less to rebuff with no timers`
`20:45.50`	`kenlyric`	`to stimulate the economy through more water usage?`
`20:47.01`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r32830 10Tattle/dataminer.lua:`
`20:47.01`	`CIA-11`	`Tattle:`
`20:47.02`	`CIA-11`	`- drycoded (do not get this update if you're running the miner) start to splitting data into LoD files.`
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`20:48.46`	`shieldb`	`kenlyric, I think it's to assign a 'cost' to the spell to require preping before fights`
`20:49.09`	`kenlyric`	`yes, I know what it does. I want to know why.`
`20:49.34`	`kenlyric`	`I don't mind reagent costs, I completely understand those (fucking warlocks)`
`20:49.46`	`shieldb`	`battlerez -> fully rebuffed would be pretty trivial with no buff costs`
`20:49.49`	`shieldb`	`mana costs, that is`
`20:49.52`	`sbu`	`<3 nymbia`
`20:50.08`	`kenlyric`	`shieldb: ok, that's sensible. So, make it so they're free OOC only.`
`20:50.25`	`shieldb`	`that'd be pretty sensible, too`
`20:50.44`	`kenlyric`	`or, just take out battle rez.`
`20:50.59`	`kenlyric`	`that'd be blizzard's solution :) Fix something by nerfing something else.`
`20:51.03`	`shieldb`	`haha yeah`
`20:51.53`	`nymbia`	`sbu: i just tested that commit, looks like it's safe to use, but commit the data you have before updating, just to be sure`
`20:55.33`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r32831 10BigWigs/Options.lua: BigWigs: Options: Hide the tooltip when the menu is opened and make it a bit nicer.`
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`20:56.16`	`sbu`	`Fisker-: do it ;o`
`20:56.17`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz_: try that`
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`21:10.18`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32832 10Aloft/CoreModules/Overlay.lua: Aloft: Overlay, fixed disabling`
`21:15.47`	`Elkano`	`hmm... none of the people in here is from Virginia, or is there anyone?`
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`21:17.23`	`Roartindon`	`IS SetFrameLevel locked down during combat?`
`21:17.57`	`JJSheets`	`On a secure button, possibly... shouldn't be for non-secure buttons.`
`21:18.10`	`JJSheets`	`which reminds me... I`
`21:18.20`	`Elkano`	`most likely yes since it wuld allow you to bring a button ontop`
`21:18.23`	`JJSheets`	`I'm getting Aloft text frames behind the bars.`
`21:18.34`	`Roartindon`	`JJSheets: Yep, that's what I'm looking for`
`21:18.35`	`JJSheets`	`not always, but occasionally.`
`21:18.47`	`Roartindon`	`Bug introduced yesterday when I added a SetFrameLevel to the top Nameplate frame`
`21:18.55`	`Roartindon`	`And that frame is definitely locked down to some degree`
`21:19.11`	`Roartindon`	`Because I can't call in-combat SetWidth/SetHeight`
`21:19.19`	`JJSheets`	`btw, even with that little bug... Aloft is kickass.`
`21:19.43`	`JJSheets`	`I also see weirdness from castbars...`
`21:19.57`	`JJSheets`	`but i don't really care about them :)`
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`21:20.52`	`Roartindon`	`JJSheets: Do you have borders enabled?`
`21:20.57`	`JJSheets`	`yes`
`21:21.27`	`sbu`	`nymbia: hm ok, 2 battlegroups complete`
`21:21.46`	`JJSheets`	`Standard borders.`
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`21:22.25`	`nymbia`	`sbu: nice`
`21:22.29`	`sbu`	`commit`
`21:22.38`	`sbu`	`can you split them up and re-commit?`
`21:22.51`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`21:23.34`	`nymbia`	`go ahead and commit what you have, i'll split em on my end to make sure the auto-convert works`
`21:24.34`	Funkeh`	`morogrim down`
`21:24.36`	Funkeh`	`karathress down`
`21:24.40`	Funkeh`	`2 in 1 night ftw`
`21:24.43`	`nymbia`	`cheats`
`21:24.47`	Funkeh`	`^^`
`21:25.29`	`CIA-11`	`03sbu * r32833 10Tattle/data.lua: Tattle: EU Ruin + EU Glutsturm`
`21:25.31`	`ckknight`	`what's the antonym of humble?`
`21:25.34`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r32834 10BigWigs/SC/Karathress.lua: BigWigs: SC/Karathress: fix heal message`
`21:25.41`	`JJSheets`	`ckknight, Proud`
`21:25.52`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`21:26.30`	`Health`	`I'm hungry`
`21:31.26`	`sbu`	`nymbia: updateonly not working?`
`21:31.40`	`nymbia`	`sbu: about to commit it working ;)`
`21:31.46`	`sbu`	`ah :o`
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`21:35.06`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r32835 10Tattle/ (data.lua dataminer.lua):`
`21:35.06`	`CIA-11`	`Tattle:`
`21:35.06`	`CIA-11`	`- Auto-split old data into chunks easily grabbed out for mini-files`
`21:35.06`	`CIA-11`	`(dataminer now handles this automatically)`
`21:35.06`	`CIA-11`	`- Some better support for updating only one battlegroup`
`21:35.07`	`CIA-11`	`- Will only ditch old data when new data is about to be mined (in the`
`21:35.09`	`CIA-11`	`case of starting a new mining sequence)`
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`21:36.59`	Punkie`	`wtf :o http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=277707802&sid=1&pageNo=1`
`21:37.02`	Punkie`	`haha`
`21:39.43`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r32836 10Tattle/dataminer.lua:`
`21:39.43`	`CIA-11`	`Tattle:`
`21:39.43`	`CIA-11`	`- Protect against writing the same team data to a character's data`
`21:39.43`	`CIA-11`	`string twice.`
`21:40.08`	Punkie`	`Fisker-!`
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`21:41.32`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32837 10Aloft/CoreModules/Frame.lua:`
`21:41.32`	`CIA-11`	`Aloft: Frames are now set to FrameLevel 2 every time they are shown, instead of`
`21:41.32`	`CIA-11`	`just on frame setup. This will avoid some of the problems with text appearing`
`21:41.32`	`CIA-11`	`behind frames, but will still cause problems initially if the nameplate was`
`21:41.32`	`CIA-11`	`captured during combat.`
`21:44.36`	`TecnoBrat`	`What's Tattle?`
`21:44.56`	`Elkano`	Punkie`: ZOMG ^^
`21:44.59`	`nymbia`	`just a dataminer at the momenyt`
`21:45.16`	`TecnoBrat`	`to datamine for what?`
`21:46.00`	`nymbia`	`character specs and arena team data`
`21:46.04`	Punkie`	`Elkano: lolol :D`
`21:46.06`	`TecnoBrat`	`Ahh cool`
`21:46.30`	`Elkano`	Punkie`: funniest thing was pedobear ^^
`21:46.47`	Punkie`	`yeah :D`
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`21:48.11`	`nymbia`	Funkeh`: stop breaking it
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`21:48.15`	`nymbia`	Funkeh`: axesmith?
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`21:48.30`	Funkeh`	`maybe, no idea :p`
`21:48.37`	Funkeh`	`that was the last one it displayed`
`21:48.45`	`nymbia`	`bleh, they changed the page format`
`21:48.49`	Funkeh`	`pwnd!`
`21:48.55`	`nymbia`	`seriously`
`21:50.46`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r32838 10PeriodicTable-3.0/dataminer.lua:`
`21:50.47`	`CIA-11`	`PeriodicTable-3.0:`
`21:50.47`	`CIA-11`	`- Maybe fix Tradeskill.Mat page parsing.`
`21:50.48`	`nymbia`	`try that`
`21:52.03`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32839 10Aloft/CoreModules/ (CastBar.lua Frame.lua HealthBar.lua):`
`21:52.03`	`CIA-11`	`Aloft`
`21:52.03`	`CIA-11`	`- SetFrameLevel stuff all moved to Frame.lua.`
`21:52.04`	`CIA-11`	`- Only tries to adjust frame levels if options require borders or backdrops`
`21:54.55`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32840 10Aloft/CoreModules/Frame.lua: Aloft: Frame - oops. Didn't rename SetFrameSize in one place to the newer OnNameplateShow`
`21:55.31`	`ckknight`	`alright, time to go off to school`
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`22:00.30`	Funkeh`	`shieldb: could you please change all the SSC spawns to 2 hours`
`22:03.41`	`Aiiane`	`i guess kaelten must be busy or something, still no svn access :S`
`22:05.25`	`clad\|cooking`	`he's extremely busy`
`22:05.30`	`clad\|cooking`	`moving cross country and getting married`
`22:05.34`	`clad\|cooking`	`so he has a good excuse =)`
`22:06.15`	`Aiiane`	`ah, ic :)`
`22:06.28`	`Aiiane`	`grats to him then... even if it means I have to wait :P`
`22:06.44`	`clad\|cooking`	`=)`
`22:08.10`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32841 10Aloft/CoreModules/Frame.lua: Aloft: Packing Width/Height are now back in, and not just implicitly part of Frame Width/Height`
`22:09.01`	Funkeh`	`nymbia: same error`
`22:09.16`	`Stephmw`	`hrmph. can't get the char migration pages working in FF/Ubuntu`
`22:10.24`	`CIA-11`	`03nymbia * r32842 10PeriodicTable-3.0/dataminer.lua:`
`22:10.24`	`CIA-11`	`PeriodicTable-3.0:`
`22:10.24`	`CIA-11`	`- really fix it this time. maybe.`
`22:10.34`	`nymbia`	Funkeh`: ^ ;)
`22:10.37`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r32843 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2.lua: .Babble-Boss-2.2: Added some Black Temple bosses/entities.`
`22:10.50`	Funkeh`	`nymbia: you slack so bad`
`22:12.50`	`nymbia`	Funkeh`: ;)
`22:14.30`	`Eternally777`	`So over the past few days I've been incredible obsessed with making Ludwig more efficient than it is. I don't know why, but I can't stop looking at the code thinking that there's gotta be a way to do it...`
`22:15.00`	`Eternally777`	`It's tearing me apart on the inside :-(`
`22:15.01`	`chutwig`	`current pitbull working with PTR or no?`
`22:15.19`	`chutwig`	`saw earlier that it wasn't working, wondered if anyone knew if that's changed in the past few days`
`22:15.22`	`vhaarr`	`no unit frame addons work on the PTR`
`22:15.26`	`chutwig`	`m-kay`
`22:18.12`	`Phatrik`	`orly`
`22:18.16`	`Phatrik`	`PitBull works for me on PTR`
`22:18.24`	`chutwig`	`aww`
`22:18.37`	`chutwig`	`i logged out to copy my interface folder and now the pve server is on the fritz :(`
`22:19.02`	`chutwig`	`i wanted to futz about with all this lovely healing gear they've given me`
`22:19.11`	`Phatrik`	`free tier 5 and epics tends to do things`
`22:20.06`	`nevcairiel`	`is the epix vendor available yet?`
`22:20.06`	`chutwig`	`hmm they've changed blessing animations again`
`22:20.12`	`chutwig`	`yeah, if you can click on him`
`22:20.14`	`chutwig`	`everyone's dogpiled`
`22:20.41`	`Eternally777`	`They're allowing premades?`
`22:20.44`	`nevcairiel`	`nameplates on and there we go`
`22:20.46`	`nevcairiel`	`no`
`22:20.50`	`nevcairiel`	`but you can buy epix :)`
`22:21.01`	`chutwig`	`phat purpz, if you will`
`22:21.07`	`Eternally777`	`Off of who?`
`22:21.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`lol`
`22:21.17`	`Phatrik`	`no premades`
`22:21.27`	`Phatrik`	`but you can buy a box for your class next to A'dal in Shattrath`
`22:21.33`	`Phatrik`	`tier 5 tokens + weapons, rings, etc`
`22:21.48`	`Aiiane`	`for how much o.o`
`22:21.53`	`Phatrik`	`free ofc`
`22:21.55`	`Aiiane`	`"gogo 5k g"`
`22:21.57`	`Aiiane`	`kidding`
`22:22.01`	`nevcairiel`	`its test`
`22:22.03`	`Aiiane`	`i know`
`22:22.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its the ptr`
`22:22.08`	`Aiiane`	`hence the "kidding" bit`
`22:22.11`	`nevcairiel`	`so you can actually go to black temple`
`22:22.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`course, 95% of the people dogpiling said vendor arnt even going to think about black temple. They're just going to duel outside IF/Org`
`22:23.19`	`chutwig`	`15.1k armor in the premade paladin healing gear with devo aura up`
`22:23.19`	`chutwig`	`wow`
`22:23.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`Roartindon: lots of commits back there, so I guess there's a good chance some of this is fixed, but still I'd like to report these oddities: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/aloft/`
`22:23.58`	`Aiiane`	`and yeah`
`22:23.59`	`chutwig`	`and 29% chance for crit on HL`
`22:24.07`	`chutwig`	`wonder if there's an enchant/gems vendor about`
`22:24.07`	`Aiiane`	`nameplates are a godsend for dogpiles >.>`
`22:24.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`(and a feature suggestion, the 2 shots not labeled "bug")`
`22:26.09`	`Mikma`	`http://pastey.net/13086 <- can anyone tell me what's the correct way of using the lines 2 and 3? i don't know and can't find examples`
`22:26.34`	`Herio`	`I can't for the life of me find the aura position setting for my target frame in pit bull`
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`22:31.18`	`Aiiane`	`Mikma: font = a font object, check out http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/Fonts.xml (Fonts.xml out of the FrameXML) for a lot of the default ones`
`22:31.24`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`22:32.16`	`Aiiane`	`hi again, ckknight-at-school`
`22:32.23`	`ckknight`	`yep`
`22:32.25`	`ckknight`	`in the library now`
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`22:41.02`	`SkorcherX`	`hello`
`22:41.23`	`SkorcherX`	`what is an ace2 addon which is equivelent to auctioneer? or some sort of AH price gathering addons?`
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`22:46.49`	`Mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/tt.jpg`
`22:52.51`	`CIA-11`	`03kemayo * r32844 10FuBar_QuestsFu/QuestsFu.lua:`
`22:52.51`	`CIA-11`	`FuBar_QuestsFu:`
`22:52.51`	`CIA-11`	`- Fix typo causing weird color gradients. (g and b were transposed.)`
`22:52.51`	`CIA-11`	`- Optimize gradient function. (About 20% faster than it was for common cases; about 10% faster for complex cases.)`
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`23:04.57`	`shieldb`	Funkeh`, is that effective immediately or 2.1?
`23:05.00`	`shieldb`	`err, duh`
`23:05.09`	`shieldb`	`spawn timers are immediate, the linking I think is 2.1`
`23:05.38`	Funkeh`	`shieldb: it was hotfixed`
`23:05.49`	`shieldb`	`yeah, I answered my own question partway through it :)`
`23:06.47`	`CIA-11`	`03funkydude * r32845 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs): PeriodicTable-3.0: Item/Loot update`
`23:08.14`	`CIA-11`	`03shieldb * r32846 10Incubator/Core.lua: Incubator: Update SSC respawns to two hours as per the hotfix.`
`23:08.20`	`shieldb`	Funkeh`, done and done sir
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`23:10.19`	`*** join/#wowace Sole (n=chatzill@203-118-186-231.bliink.ihug.co.nz)`
`23:10.29`	`Sole`	`hi friends :)`
`23:10.32`	`art3mis`	`yeah this wowecon is a great addon`
`23:10.42`	`*** join/#wowace Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-63-222.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`23:10.44`	`Sole`	`whats it do?`
`23:10.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`o_0 wait, the tank gear they give warriors in the t5 box is the heroic badge shield? lame.`
`23:11.06`	`art3mis`	`its more or less like auctioneer cept its webbased like mobmap for its data so a larger data pool`
`23:11.18`	`Sole`	`ooh interesting`
`23:11.36`	`mok__`	`how do i make changes to an addon of another author public without being to intrusive? i cant get contact to andreasG`
`23:11.44`	`Cryect`	`fork the addon`
`23:11.50`	`art3mis`	`thier premium gives you tracking stuff from the website, trends and what not, as well as custom lsits you specify the price and item you want and itll tell you if its listed`
`23:12.04`	`art3mis`	`its like 3.33 a month or something`
`23:12.10`	`art3mis`	`not that you need it`
`23:12.31`	`mok__`	`cryect how do i do that on svn the "proper" way?`
`23:12.37`	`art3mis`	`it also tooltips % change of item to de to gives you the rpcie you'd get if you DE'd and sold, sold to vendor or just auctioned it`
`23:13.34`	`Sole`	`whoa`
`23:13.42`	`Sole`	`that mustve taken a while to code all that`
`23:13.50`	`art3mis`	`its pretty neat`
`23:14.08`	`art3mis`	`the basic addon itself without the tracking and custom serches is free www.wowecom.com`
`23:14.21`	`art3mis`	`way less of a footprint than auctioneer`
`23:15.31`	`Sole`	`taking ideas for an arena addon, all welcome`
`23:15.47`	`art3mis`	`easy win button ;P`
`23:15.49`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`23:16.08`	`Sole`	`currently it'l look similiar to ArenaMaster, except neater, with healthbar behind the name, class icon to the left of the name, casting bar to the right/left`
`23:16.24`	`Sole`	`oh and health status will be broadcast between the party`
`23:16.48`	`Sole`	`anything else?`
`23:17.26`	`CIA-11`	`03mok * r32847 10GemList/GemList.lua:`
`23:17.26`	`CIA-11`	`GemList:`
`23:17.26`	`CIA-11`	`- added /gem show to output results to local chat window`
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`23:25.30`	`Mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/dementia1.jpg`
`23:26.59`	`Sole`	`o_O`
`23:27.03`	`Sole`	`O_o`
`23:29.52`	`Sole`	`wow, ArenaMaster uses a 0.1second repeating function to refresh the frame when youre in an arena`
`23:29.57`	`kebinusan`	`sole, hmm steal talent profiles and stuff from the armory, better healthbars and such`
`23:30.24`	`Sole`	`well essentially Im combining ArenaLiveFrames, ArenaMaster and a cast bar togehter`
`23:30.35`	`kebinusan`	`sounds nice`
`23:30.43`	`Sole`	`and you now I cant look at the armory :(`
`23:31.28`	`kebinusan`	`well theres an addon that does supposedly`
`23:31.47`	`kebinusan`	`just a java app that downloads the crap and stores it in a lua file, so it would be an out of game update`
`23:32.03`	`kebinusan`	`called arena talent something something`
`23:32.10`	`nymbia`	`bad imo`
`23:32.12`	`kebinusan`	`I forget, I played with it for about an hour before I got bored`
`23:32.25`	`nymbia`	`./point tattle, but it's just a dataminer at the moment`
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`23:33.25`	`kebinusan`	`sole, add some real basic enemy timers for blind, divine shield, etc if you wanted to get fancy I guess`
`23:33.44`	`kebinusan`	`I hate necb and refuse to run it`
`23:33.51`	`Sole`	`see the thing is, Ive written a whole freaking addon to replace necb`
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`23:33.58`	`shieldb`	`anyone know if they fixed the awesome shiv "side effect" in 2.1?`
`23:34.07`	`Sole`	`whats the shiv bug?`
`23:34.23`	`shieldb`	`so shiv has a 100% chance to proc poison`
`23:34.27`	`Sole`	`nymbia: whats tattle?`
`23:34.38`	`Sole`	`yeah its meant to do that`
`23:34.41`	`shieldb`	`but it also confers that 100% to "resist dispelling"`
`23:34.50`	`Sole`	`lol nice`
`23:34.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`never going to happen i bet`
`23:35.00`	`shieldb`	`I was testing it with a shaman friend yesterday`
`23:35.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh the dispell resist is fixed`
`23:35.27`	`shieldb`	`shiv crippling poison on while he has a poison cleansing totem down and spamming cure poison, and he just has to wait for it to tick off`
`23:35.32`	`nymbia`	`Sole: i was thinking of doing something to display spec and rating of players on the opposing team, but all i've done so far is the dataminer, you could integrate it somehow i'm sure`
`23:35.38`	`shieldb`	`Arrowmaster, is it fixed in general or fixed for shiv, or both?`
`23:35.46`	`shieldb`	`there are two dispelling resist issues with poison atm`
`23:35.53`	`shieldb`	`one is shiv's 100% deal`
`23:35.56`	`Sole`	`nymbia: I'd be very interested to see this`
`23:36.09`	`shieldb`	`the other is that poisons are being applied with the ilvl of the weapon as their level instead of the character level`
`23:36.11`	`Sole`	`so youve got a program in the background running to look up stuff from armory?`
`23:36.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`the shiv one i didnt know about but theres stuff in the patch notes about now using the rogues level to calc dispell resist rather than the weapons item level`
`23:36.40`	`shieldb`	`yeah I've seen that note`
`23:36.42`	`Sole`	`yeah thats better Arrowmaster`
`23:36.52`	`Sole`	`rogues level is lower than the ilevel of my weps ^^`
`23:37.03`	`nymbia`	`Sole: it's just a lua script that grabs the teams from all the battlegroups. the idea is to have data on players in your battlegroup loaded on demand, then looked up on the fly`
`23:37.04`	`shieldb`	`so I'd apply crippling poison as a level 70 debuff instead of a level 115 debuff`
`23:37.19`	`Sole`	`ahh`
`23:37.20`	`shieldb`	`but I'm not sure if that also fixes the 100% shiv thing, hence the question ;)`
`23:37.49`	`Sole`	`nymbia: could I have a play with it to see how I could integrate it?`
`23:37.56`	`Sole`	`nymbia: that is, unless you want to do it yourself`
`23:38.17`	`kebinusan`	`http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/7159/arena-enemy-talents/`
`23:38.21`	`kebinusan`	`thats the mod I was talking about`
`23:39.28`	`Sole`	`kebinusan: I'll have a look, thanks`
`23:39.39`	`nymbia`	`Sole: go for it :) i was planning on doing something horribly simplistic as far as an in-game interface, it'd be much nicer integrated with what you're doing`
`23:40.03`	`Sole`	`nymbia: where can I get it? I cant find it on wowace.com/files`
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`23:40.29`	`nymbia`	`Sole: it's in trunk, it just doesnt get a zip generated because it hasnt got a .toc`
`23:40.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`\`
`23:40.42`	`Sole`	`alrighty`
`23:41.08`	Bibi`ouF	`http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=111.0`
`23:41.13`	Bibi`ouF	`added the new gems and a few things`
`23:44.35`	`Sole`	`nymbia: wow`
`23:44.42`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32848 10Aloft/ (17 files in 3 dirs):`
`23:44.42`	`CIA-11`	`Aloft`
`23:44.42`	`CIA-11`	`- To work around the border/background level problems, Aloft now uses a different approach`
`23:44.42`	`CIA-11`	`- 1. If no border/backdrop is required, it doesn't do anything`
`23:44.42`	`CIA-11`	`- 2. If it is required, a border frame is created, and a UIFrame is created. UIFrame then adopts all regions and children of frame`
`23:45.11`	`nymbia`	`Sole: heh. lotsa data eh?`
`23:45.20`	`Sole`	`nymbia: you could say that`
`23:45.53`	`kebinusan`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7081-GemCounter0.1.0.html this addon is cool`
`23:52.26`	`chuckg`	`Haha holy shit.`
`23:52.29`	`chuckg`	`That was my idea.`
`23:52.49`	`JJSheets`	`shouldn't that be ho-ho-holy shit?`
`23:53.21`	`Cryect`	`chuckg, heh weren't you going to do that like over a month ago`
`23:53.31`	`chuckg`	`I wrote all the gem code, yea.`
`23:53.34`	`chuckg`	`Then didn't bother finishing.`
`23:53.50`	`chuckg`	`Lost interest.`
`23:54.04`	`chuckg`	`It's missing one feature though.`
`23:54.17`	`chuckg`	`Detect current meta and tell the user if you've matched the requirements.`
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`23:55.40`	`CIA-11`	`03roartindon * r32849 10Aloft/ (Aloft.lua CoreModules/Frame.lua): Aloft: Now honors packing variables when backdrop/border are turned off`
`23:55.50`	`JJSheets`	`lol "More Pew Pew, less QQ" - The Sarge's Bullet`
`23:56.24`	`Morgh\|Sleep`	`hahaha`
`23:56.28`	`TecnoBrat`	`My favorite quote (not wow related) still has to be "I wouldn't waste the poop it would take to shit on this" - Penny Arcade`
`23:56.38`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`23:57.01`	`Sole`	`nymbia: how would I turn Sole = "2:1i7.4y;16.0.j.6", into a talent spec? :P`
`23:57.15`	`TecnoBrat`	`I've used that on plenty of people who have App'd to our guild`
`23:57.20`	`JJSheets`	`Sole, Carefully.`
`23:57.43`	`Sole`	`JJSheets: :P`
`23:58.03`	`nymbia`	`Sole: ok. the 2:117:47 part is your arena team size (2), the 117 is your rating (tonumber(117, 36))`
`23:58.10`	`nymbia`	`and the 4y is your ranking`
`23:58.35`	`JJSheets`	`nymbia, are those base 36?`
`23:58.43`	`TecnoBrat`	`What mod now shows "Stat Summary"?`
`23:58.48`	`Sole`	`nymbia: k`
`23:58.48`	`nymbia`	`16 is your points in the first tree, 0 is second tree, j is third tree (again, tonumber(a,36))`
`23:58.57`	`Garoun`	`RAtingBuster most likely Techno`
`23:58.57`	`nymbia`	`Sole: and the last number is your class`
`23:59.09`	`Sole`	`hokay`
`23:59.09`	`TecnoBrat`	`Gagorian, hmmm yea that would make sense`
`23:59.28`	`Sole`	`nymbia: so do you have data on EVERYONE in the arena ladder on the us realms?`
`23:59.33`	`Sole`	`sure seems like it`
`23:59.54`	`nymbia`	`Sole: currently, top 300 teams in each bracket`

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