| 00:00.25 | Roartindon | except.. is says ["autolod"] = { |
| 00:00.26 | Roartindon | at line 911? |
| 00:00.35 | sylvanaar | yes, i didnt set that |
| 00:00.40 | sylvanaar | not intentionally |
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| 00:01.40 | Roartindon | I'm assuming not calling Prat_Presets:Sylvaan() works without any problems? |
| 00:01.43 | sylvanaar | in fact the presets code only sets up to line 890 |
| 00:02.02 | Roartindon | then one of your modules |
| 00:02.06 | Roartindon | must not be aquiring a namespace |
| 00:02.13 | Roartindon | or is setting it's .db wrong |
| 00:02.21 | sylvanaar | profiles is Prat |
| 00:03.01 | nymbia | well |
| 00:03.05 | nymbia | something's setting it |
| 00:03.08 | Roartindon | can you get a clean run and do /dump DB.namespaces ? |
| 00:03.08 | nymbia | and it's not acedb |
| 00:03.28 | sylvanaar | why isnt it acedb? |
| 00:03.51 | sylvanaar | everything dumps fine |
| 00:03.56 | sylvanaar | until i try to logout |
| 00:04.18 | sylvanaar | then it starts walking through memory dumping everything |
| 00:04.21 | Roartindon | so before logout, /dump DB.profiles doesn't give you something huge? |
| 00:04.25 | sylvanaar | no |
| 00:05.09 | nymbia | but is that merge only getting called at logout? |
| 00:05.16 | sylvanaar | you want me to dump DB.profiles? it doesnt exist |
| 00:05.28 | sylvanaar | no |
| 00:05.28 | Roartindon | sylvannar |
| 00:05.33 | Roartindon | can you try this: |
| 00:05.43 | sylvanaar | the merge gets called at runtime |
| 00:05.49 | Roartindon | before you call util:tableMerge(v, dsk[k], replace) |
| 00:05.57 | Roartindon | Try putting this line in: dsk[k] = dsk[k] or { } |
| 00:07.13 | Roartindon | No idea if it'll fix things, but that function just looks flawed to me (not sure if I'm reading it wrong.. I haven't slept in ~30 hours) |
| 00:07.15 | sylvanaar | doesnt that get done at the start of the next call though |
| 00:07.21 | Roartindon | slybannar: nope |
| 00:07.29 | Roartindon | I don't think it's applied to the table |
| 00:07.56 | Roartindon | in the case where dst[k] = nil |
| 00:08.04 | Roartindon | then you're passing in v, nil, true |
| 00:08.09 | sylvanaar | yeah maybe |
| 00:08.18 | Roartindon | Then it enters util:tableMerge, and it's creating a new local table |
| 00:08.26 | Roartindon | that never gets applied to dst[k]..... I think |
| 00:08.49 | Roartindon | That doesn't really explain the problems you're seeing tho |
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| 00:09.42 | sylvanaar | i think in the case where dst[k] is nil if there is nothing in the src you still end up with it being nil |
| 00:10.13 | evulhotdog | HEY |
| 00:10.15 | evulhotdog | is this correct |
| 00:10.17 | evulhotdog | if(text:upper():find("LOL") != nil) then |
| 00:10.19 | evulhotdog | ? |
| 00:10.37 | evulhotdog | its says its expecteing parentheses |
| 00:10.40 | evulhotdog | somewhere.. |
| 00:11.54 | vhaarr | if not text:upper():find("LOL") then ... end |
| 00:11.56 | vhaarr | will work just fine |
| 00:12.07 | Roartindon | the lua not equals i ~= |
| 00:12.11 | Roartindon | is* |
| 00:12.18 | Roartindon | sylvannaar: http://ace.pastey.net/24603 |
| 00:12.24 | sylvanaar | bleh, idk, this is entirely to complicated, but there should be no case where you get pairs(src) with a key and a nil value |
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| 00:13.05 | sylvanaar | that makes no sense, how can a key have a nil value |
| 00:13.12 | nymbia | it can't. |
| 00:13.53 | nymbia | the entries in that file that do say why in the comment |
| 00:14.04 | nymbia | ["PageUp"] = nil --[[ skipped inline function ]], |
| 00:14.09 | nymbia | ["handler"] = nil --[[ skipped recursive table ]], |
| 00:14.14 | nymbia | [0] = nil --[[ skipped userdata ]], |
| 00:14.18 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 00:14.25 | CIA-23 | 03gameyuan * r34849 10FuBar_ReagentFu/ (FuBar_ReagentFu.toc ReagentFuLocals-zhTW.lua): |
| 00:14.25 | CIA-23 | FuBar_ReagentFu: |
| 00:14.25 | CIA-23 | -add zhTW locals file |
| 00:14.46 | nymbia | actually those will fail to parse wont they |
| 00:14.54 | Roartindon | nah, it'll parse |
| 00:14.58 | sylvanaar | ok do i |
| 00:15.00 | Roartindon | It'll just not have a key in the end |
| 00:15.11 | nymbia | Roartindon: the comma's after the comment |
| 00:15.18 | nymbia | er |
| 00:15.19 | sylvanaar | will change dst[k] to dst[k] or {} |
| 00:15.23 | Roartindon | it's in a --[[ ]] block tho |
| 00:15.24 | nymbia | box comments right |
| 00:15.25 | vhaarr | nymbia: doesn't matter |
| 00:16.06 | nymbia | yeah |
| 00:16.38 | sylvanaar | right ok i see, what you mean Roartindon |
| 00:16.58 | vhaarr | I've never used it like that, but |if --[[ not foo or ]] bar then| works fine |
| 00:17.20 | Roartindon | Cool, I wasn't explaining it well, but hopefully it makes sense in retrospect :) |
| 00:20.31 | sylvanaar | http://ace.pastey.net/24605 better? |
| 00:20.58 | Roartindon | yep, and line 2 is probably unnecessary then |
| 00:21.26 | Roartindon | heh.. you use if type (v) ~= "table" in line 4, |
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| 00:21.36 | Roartindon | then the more obtuse if not type(dst[k]) == "table" |
| 00:21.46 | Roartindon | which I think line 7 will always be not what you want |
| 00:21.59 | Roartindon | since I think not has a higher precedence than == |
| 00:22.07 | Roartindon | so it becomes if false == "table" |
| 00:22.21 | sylvanaar | i hate lua |
| 00:22.36 | Roartindon | lol |
| 00:23.02 | Roartindon | lua is cake after plowing through tens of thousands of lines of assembler :) |
| 00:23.09 | Megalon | hehe |
| 00:23.31 | Megalon | can't you do if not ( ....) or just if type ~= "table"? :x |
| 00:23.37 | Roartindon | yeah |
| 00:23.49 | Roartindon | I think if type(dst[k]) ~= "table" is the more readable form :) |
| 00:24.19 | sylvanaar | i hate ~=, but the other form looks like its wrong |
| 00:24.25 | Megalon | not should always invert the next best element, else it would get hard to make not only inverting one element instead of the whole statement |
| 00:24.33 | Roartindon | you can use not(type(dst[k]) == "table") |
| 00:24.40 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34850 10FuBar_ExperienceFu/ (8 files): FuBar_ExperienceFu - added a cheap implementation of "mobs till level" |
| 00:24.44 | hyperChipmunk | foo == not bar ? |
| 00:25.02 | sylvanaar | its because im a C programmer, and am not used to leaving off the () |
| 00:25.04 | Roartindon | not is the highest precedence unary operator, tied with unary minus in most languages |
| 00:25.05 | Megalon | well not "table" => false? |
| 00:25.13 | Roartindon | megalon yes |
| 00:25.27 | Megalon | so that also won't work hyperChipmunk :7 |
| 00:25.48 | hyperChipmunk | what i put works, i think |
| 00:26.25 | sylvanaar | in c its illegal to leave out the (), so when i start to write the logic i assume them |
| 00:26.33 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34851 10FuBar_ExperienceFu/ExperienceFu.lua: FuBar_ExperienceFu - err, use math.ceil |
| 00:26.38 | Megalon | if the elements are TRUE / FALSE, not for string comparison |
| 00:26.39 | Roartindon | sylvannar.. same result in C/C++ |
| 00:26.42 | Roartindon | if you had a std:string |
| 00:28.13 | hyperChipmunk | parens and semicolons are evil and must be destroyed! |
| 00:28.14 | Fin | logic is for the weak |
| 00:28.14 | Roartindon | !stringName == b |
| 00:28.14 | Roartindon | the ! takes higher precedence |
| 00:28.14 | Roartindon | than == |
| 00:28.14 | Fin | <plug> http://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/precedence </plug> |
| 00:28.30 | ckknight | Roartindon: what's ! supposed to be? |
| 00:28.35 | ckknight | in C++? |
| 00:28.37 | ckknight | ah. |
| 00:28.38 | Roartindon | ! = not |
| 00:28.45 | ckknight | yea, wondering the language, is all |
| 00:28.49 | Roartindon | So you have !exp, != for comparison, etc. |
| 00:29.02 | ckknight | just didn't know you were talking about it |
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| 00:30.52 | Megalon | purl seems pretty unimpressed |
| 00:31.20 | Fin | such a shame |
| 00:31.26 | Mikma | >>> ckknight knows C++ <- but does C++ know YOU? |
| 00:31.39 | Kirkburn | Btw, the wiki has had some CSS updates (http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#CSS_fixes_and_updates) |
| 00:31.39 | Fin | as I always make my paper aeroplanes with the intention to impress |
| 00:31.49 | Kirkburn | The main one of interest is the <pre> text changes - see http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/8 |
| 00:32.00 | Kirkburn | (of interest to you lot, of course) |
| 00:32.10 | sylvanaar | well, interestingly, it still dumps all of memory, so that wasnt the cause |
| 00:32.25 | Roartindon | yeah, I didn't think it was |
| 00:32.26 | sylvanaar | but, it was a good catch |
| 00:34.05 | Roartindon | autolod being your _G is still really worrying |
| 00:34.14 | Roartindon | I did a grep in my Prat tree (probably not the same as yours) |
| 00:34.20 | Roartindon | And the only place I see it being assigned is AutoLOD:Save(v) |
| 00:34.44 | sylvanaar | see what? |
| 00:34.52 | Roartindon | Where DB.profile.Default.autolod might be being assigned |
| 00:35.06 | Roartindon | In that huge log file you pasted, line 911 stands out |
| 00:35.10 | Roartindon | as you said autolod shouldb e a boolean |
| 00:35.10 | sylvanaar | its in prat.lua |
| 00:35.22 | Roartindon | but it looks like the start of _G |
| 00:35.30 | sylvanaar | register defaults |
| 00:36.04 | undu | Hmmmmmm, Roartindon. I had this weird thing pop up about a week ago or so in Aloft, where the cast bar would start normally, but immediately get out of sync, and usually taking like 2-3 seconds realtime to count down 0.25 seconds on the castbar. I checked the thread, but didn't see any post referring to the same problem, is this a known issue? |
| 00:36.30 | undu | I figured it might be a SV problem, since something might have been changed, but didn't want to delete and redo layout unless it's needed. |
| 00:36.41 | Roartindon | undu: Never heard of it yet |
| 00:36.44 | Roartindon | Any idea how to replicate it? |
| 00:36.44 | sylvanaar | line 646'ish |
| 00:36.53 | undu | Like, it always happens for me now. >< |
| 00:37.00 | undu | A mob with a nameplate starts to cast, and it happens. |
| 00:37.18 | Roartindon | interesting.. I'll have to pay attention |
| 00:37.29 | Roartindon | I tested most of the castbar stuff by standing outside Shadow Labrynth |
| 00:37.36 | Roartindon | err.. Labyrinth |
| 00:37.47 | Roartindon | And watching the lower city healer cast heals there |
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| 00:38.00 | sylvanaar | i think its an acedb bug, i dont set _G ever |
| 00:38.18 | undu | But since I'm the only one experiencing it, I'm thinking it might be a local issue. >< |
| 00:38.29 | Roartindon | The castbar is actually all controlled by the game |
| 00:38.37 | Roartindon | I only mess with the texture, positioning, and adding text onto it |
| 00:39.02 | Mikma | muahahahahaa! PitBull\Aura\Aura.lua:152: attempt to compare two nil values |
| 00:39.02 | Roartindon | undu: Does the castbar still increase steadily when a mob casts? |
| 00:39.44 | undu | Yeah, it increases, and looks "normal" untill the spell actually is finished, but the nameplate castingbar is halfway through. Then it just goes blank and disappears after a few seconds. |
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| 00:40.18 | Roartindon | undu: Very weird... |
| 00:40.39 | undu | Yep, that's what I thought. :) |
| 00:41.40 | undu | I dunno if it might be RapidCast related since that one removes the texture from CBRipoff, but I only recently disabled RapidCast, so I haven't had a chance to see if it's still bugged. |
| 00:42.12 | undu | But I guess rapidcast doesn't mess with mobcasts. |
| 00:42.54 | Kirkburn | Here's a nice summary of the CSS changes made on the wiki, in visual form - http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/8 :P |
| 00:43.09 | Roartindon | RapidCast stopped working with CBRipoff and agUnitFrames with the smooth scroll options that Rabbit implemented.. that I haven't taken the time to modify rapidcast to work with |
| 00:43.25 | Roartindon | RapidCast doesn't mess at all with the casting bar on nameplates tho |
| 00:44.23 | undu | oh, ok. I guess I'll get around to deleting SV's and see if it persists eventually, but don't worry about it I guess since I'm the only one. :) |
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| 00:45.09 | Roartindon | I don't think Aloft's CVs could be affecting that |
| 00:45.22 | Roartindon | There's nothing in Aloft's code at all that does a SetValue() on the castbar, or a SetMinMaxValues |
| 00:45.31 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.31 | Roartindon | Saint-N: Bleh, stupid senators |
| 00:47.47 | Saint-N | poor DoD |
| 00:47.54 | Saint-N | they did so much good in the world |
| 00:47.59 | Megalon | Saint-N: wtf >:< |
| 00:48.13 | Saint-N | and all they got was a bunch of lame sentences for stealing fiuctious amounts of money from capitalists |
| 00:48.19 | Megalon | "an estimated $US50 million ($A60 million), if legal sales were substituted for illegal downloads" |
| 00:48.25 | Megalon | haha, always this... logic |
| 00:48.26 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 00:48.44 | Saint-N | they assume that everyone who leeched it would have purchased it if the download hadnt been an option |
| 00:49.06 | Megalon | that's like the MI |
| 00:49.06 | Saint-N | thats why the mpaa riaa and all software "sales losses due to piracy" are a complete sham |
| 00:49.15 | Megalon | RIAA or what's that american thing is called |
| 00:49.24 | Megalon | a yea mpaa and riaa |
| 00:49.26 | Saint-N | well if they didnt download the movie they would have gone and seen it in the theatre |
| 00:49.31 | Saint-N | no |
| 00:49.40 | Saint-N | we downloaded because theatres SUCK!!! |
| 00:49.42 | vid` | heh |
| 00:49.44 | Hjalte | I buy most of the stuff i download, if i like it. So the companies haven't lost a lot of money on me, even though it could seem like it. |
| 00:49.52 | vid` | half the shit i downoad i deleted 5 mins after looking at it cause it sucks |
| 00:49.58 | Saint-N | hehe yeah |
| 00:50.06 | Megalon | oh man, most films today |
| 00:50.08 | Saint-N | i actually still by the dvds of stuff i like |
| 00:50.10 | vid` | and good stuff i buy anywya |
| 00:50.12 | Megalon | aren't even worth a download |
| 00:50.13 | Megalon | >:< |
| 00:50.26 | Saint-N | but thats because most relaese groups havent the slightest clue how to release good stuff |
| 00:50.34 | Saint-N | i miss centropy and maven |
| 00:50.36 | undu | I mean, sure they lose money. But they also gain money from piracy. |
| 00:50.39 | Saint-N | yup |
| 00:50.51 | Saint-N | piracy does more for word of mouth sales than anything |
| 00:51.14 | Saint-N | notto mention if some kid leeches photoshop hell get good at it and convince whatever company he works at to buy it |
| 00:51.17 | Saint-N | etc etc etc |
| 00:51.25 | Saint-N | as long as you NEVER resell what you download |
| 00:51.34 | Saint-N | there is nothing wrong with treating it like a library to borrow from |
| 00:51.59 | Saint-N | and just because you release it does not mean you're liable for those that DO reselll it |
| 00:51.59 | Fin | what is "it"? |
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| 00:54.50 | Ordog | i really need a HATE list |
| 00:55.02 | Ordog | that alerts me if some of my HATED enemys are around ... |
| 00:55.09 | Ordog | ITS JUST A GAME |
| 00:55.13 | Ordog | AAAAARRRRGH |
| 00:55.40 | Saint-N | thats easy ordog |
| 00:55.40 | wallen | Has anyone else ever had a "Login error" when trying to log in the forums even if the account works everywhere else (account management, in-game)? |
| 00:55.42 | Ordog | <3 pvp server ^^ |
| 00:55.47 | Saint-N | adopt the "i hate you all" theory |
| 00:55.58 | Saint-N | it works good |
| 00:56.07 | Saint-N | kind of hinders your ability to instance sometimes though |
| 00:56.10 | Fin | In BDSM, gunplay is used to refer to the practice of including actual or sometimes simulated firearms into a scene. |
| 00:56.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Saint-N: thats my general philosophy on life. "I hate people" :D |
| 00:56.30 | Saint-N | hehe ask roar how liked i used to be on silvermooon ;P |
| 00:56.49 | Galka | Am I crazy or are Minimalist and Smooth v2 the exact same texture barring a slight brightness increase in the latter? |
| 00:56.55 | Megalon | wallen: that happens pretty often to me on the EU forums |
| 00:57.09 | Saint-N | you're crazy |
| 00:57.17 | Galka | :/ |
| 00:57.19 | Saint-N | im not looking at either im just going with the first obvious choice |
| 00:57.27 | Saint-N | occums razor and all that |
| 00:57.27 | Megalon | i'm not a racist |
| 00:57.31 | Megalon | I HATE EVERYONE! |
| 00:57.40 | Saint-N | that just means you're a misanthropist |
| 00:57.43 | ckknight | especially the blacks? |
| 00:57.48 | Saint-N | well duh |
| 00:57.50 | wallen | Yeah, I am on EU realms as well :/ |
| 00:57.52 | Saint-N | everyone hates the blacks |
| 00:57.58 | Megalon | and the jews! |
| 00:58.03 | Megalon | don't forget the jews |
| 00:58.08 | Saint-N | and the chinks and spics and jews |
| 00:58.10 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.10 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.14 | Fin | well shit |
| 00:58.14 | Saint-N | ya know whats funny |
| 00:58.20 | Saint-N | i live in nyc |
| 00:58.25 | Fin | I turn off /1 myself |
| 00:58.34 | Saint-N | and a couple of months ago some jewish group was getting upset about being called jews |
| 00:58.48 | ckknight | lol, Saint-N |
| 00:58.51 | ckknight | but they are Jews |
| 00:58.55 | Saint-N | and that made me think "well you ARE jews" |
| 00:59.03 | Saint-N | peopletaht convert are "jewish" |
| 00:59.19 | Saint-N | not real jews but behave like they are thus the "ish" suffix |
| 00:59.25 | ckknight | they should've renamed Judea if they didn't want to be called Jews. |
| 00:59.31 | Saint-N | haha yeah |
| 00:59.40 | Saint-N | fin is being niggerty |
| 00:59.42 | Ordog | im german, if i would say i hate jews nobody would get the joke |
| 00:59.47 | Ordog | ^^ |
| 00:59.47 | Saint-N | hahahaha |
| 00:59.58 | Saint-N | Uncle Adolph's Summer Camp for the Less Fortunate |
| 01:00.00 | ckknight | Saint-N: it's niggardly. |
| 01:00.15 | Saint-N | that poster for making something bad seem good in visual arts got me a week off school |
| 01:00.33 | Saint-N | "Lots of outdoor activities" |
| 01:00.37 | Saint-N | "Co-ed Dorms" |
| 01:00.37 | Megalon | hrhrhr |
| 01:00.45 | Saint-N | "Plenty of Showers" |
| 01:00.52 | Saint-N | "On-site Medical Team" |
| 01:00.57 | ckknight | people of all ages welcome |
| 01:01.14 | Saint-N | man if hell exists im so going there |
| 01:01.18 | Saint-N | and you're all coming with me |
| 01:01.24 | ckknight | not me |
| 01:01.28 | ckknight | I'm into reincarnation |
| 01:01.42 | Roartindon | ckknight will come back as a dog |
| 01:01.46 | ckknight | nope |
| 01:01.46 | Roartindon | after all of the addon names recently..... |
| 01:01.51 | ckknight | my beliefs don't work that way, Roartindon |
| 01:01.56 | Saint-N | then you're a heretic and thus impure and therefore going to hell ;) |
| 01:01.59 | ckknight | you choose your own existence |
| 01:02.26 | Saint-N | he lives in a state that thinks SP |
| 01:02.32 | Saint-N | SPAM is a delicacy |
| 01:02.39 | Saint-N | that should explain a lot right there |
| 01:02.40 | Ordog | dunno why somebody sould fear to be reborn as worm, that episode would be pretty short |
| 01:02.54 | Saint-N | hehe |
| 01:02.57 | Fin | are worms technically "born"? |
| 01:03.03 | Saint-N | the whale from THHGTTG |
| 01:03.10 | Ordog | hehe |
| 01:03.45 | Ordog | or the potplant ^^ |
| 01:04.18 | Fin | http://www.happydranch.com/invertebrates/wormbirth.html |
| 01:04.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:04.32 | Fin | Worm Birth (Cocoon Hatching). Worm Cocoon |
| 01:04.49 | Kilroo | ...Hmm...something seems to have gone horribly wrong with Visor scripting. |
| 01:04.55 | sylvanaar | GetNumGuildMembers() is returning 0 |
| 01:05.22 | Roartindon | got gkicked? |
| 01:05.26 | sylvanaar | no |
| 01:05.26 | Megalon | :D |
| 01:05.39 | sylvanaar | IsInGuild() returns 1 |
| 01:05.47 | ckknight | sylvanaar: GuildRoster() |
| 01:05.56 | Fin | sylvanaar: it does for the first couple of seconds after a reload |
| 01:06.15 | Roartindon | are you passint ing GetNumGuildMembers(true) ? |
| 01:06.26 | Roartindon | err.. passing it the 'true' parameter |
| 01:06.32 | sylvanaar | GuildRoster returns nil |
| 01:06.43 | sylvanaar | im doing this liek /dump GuildRoster() |
| 01:06.48 | sylvanaar | interactively |
| 01:06.54 | Roartindon | No, it's GetGuildRosterInfo(index) |
| 01:06.58 | sylvanaar | i know |
| 01:06.59 | Roartindon | And GetNumGuildMembers(true) |
| 01:07.05 | sylvanaar | you can leave out true |
| 01:07.17 | Roartindon | Then you won't get online people |
| 01:07.27 | sylvanaar | at least you could |
| 01:08.17 | sylvanaar | i have had a shitty day |
| 01:09.59 | Fin | aww |
| 01:10.43 | sylvanaar | lol i seriously need to call GuildRoster() myself if i get a count of zero |
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| 01:11.56 | Fin | Now is the time for heroes... Now humanity's greatest chapter can be told |
| 01:12.16 | Roartindon | still 2 more episodes to go right? |
| 01:12.42 | Fin | ahah, no, it's from the human race intro in WoW :) |
| 01:13.09 | Gngsk | 2 episdoes! |
| 01:13.17 | Gngsk | hawt does too |
| 01:13.53 | Tain | Heroes is the best weekly show on TV right now. |
| 01:14.02 | Fin | I always try and resist these well-made American series... they're so enticing, but disappoint you in the end |
| 01:14.23 | Fin | Grays, Lost, Prison Break |
| 01:14.34 | Thorgard | Fin, gotta milk 'em! |
| 01:14.37 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r34852 10Prat/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Prat: Fixes the some of the strange crap |
| 01:14.41 | Fin | but Heroes' bitch |
| 01:14.45 | Thorgard | Screw dignified endings! |
| 01:14.58 | Gngsk | I wanna be like future peter, he's bad ass |
| 01:14.59 | Fin | s/but/but I am/ |
| 01:15.18 | Fin | I'd take just the invisibility |
| 01:15.20 | Thorgard | Gngsk, but he's still a tool. |
| 01:15.26 | Thorgard | Fin, you voyeur. |
| 01:15.28 | Gngsk | of course he is |
| 01:15.40 | Fin | god DAMMIT why doesn't he buy some fucking hairspray and get that stupid quiff out of his face |
| 01:15.43 | Gngsk | a bad ass tool is cool though |
| 01:15.52 | Fin | doesn't he know that "quiff" means something completely different nowadays? |
| 01:16.03 | Ordog | hmmm do you think a project like www.wowheadhunter.com or sth where you can place ingame gold rewards for killing hated players would be against blizzlaw ? |
| 01:16.08 | Fin | Thorgard: I would if I could |
| 01:16.24 | Tain | I made a girl quiff a few times. |
| 01:16.33 | Ordog | send picture with that bastard in the dust and ill send you 10g ! |
| 01:16.34 | Fin | let's not |
| 01:16.35 | Ordog | ^^ |
| 01:17.31 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r34853 10Prat/Prat_Modules/extras/Presets.lua: Prat: Remove eventnames from the preset |
| 01:17.54 | Fin | that's stupid but I do |
| 01:17.59 | Kilroo | Oh. No wonder my visorbuttons don't work with Visor2. |
| 01:18.14 | Kilroo | Visor2 doesn't have buttons. |
| 01:18.18 | Kilroo | It all makes sense now. |
| 01:19.04 | Kilroo | Hmm. |
| 01:19.40 | Fin | Mann, was a paramilitary rank used by several Nazi Party paramilitary organizations between 1925 and 1945. The rank is most often associated with the S.S., and also as a rank of the SA where Mann was the lowest enlisted rank and was the equivalent of a Private. |
| 01:21.31 | Kilroo | Are the old Visor and Ace still usable? It would probably be easier for me to get my old action bars set back up and make Infinibars to match them than it would be to make a new button layout I like from scratch. |
| 01:23.11 | Kilroo | That's lookin' like a no. |
| 01:23.14 | Kilroo | Well, darn. |
| 01:23.15 | Tain | No Kilroo |
| 01:23.40 | Tain | There's a Visor2 with Ace2 but only for frame positioning/layout, not action buttons. |
| 01:24.02 | Tain | Frankly the secure action button stuff was too much of a pain in the asss. |
| 01:24.14 | Kilroo | Meh. |
| 01:24.30 | Thrae | Bartender3 handles Action Buttons pretty well. I like it. |
| 01:24.42 | Kilroo | Well, InfiniBar is a perfectly acceptable replacement from what I've seen so far. |
| 01:24.55 | Tain | Yeah I use Bartender myself. |
| 01:25.26 | sbu | Fin: well... interesting :o |
| 01:25.42 | Kilroo | The problem isn't really not being able to use Visor buttons anymore. It's that without VisorButtons I can't find out what my old layout looked like and duplicate it. Too bad I haven't got an old screenshot lying around. |
| 01:26.07 | Kilroo | Oh wait. |
| 01:26.10 | Kilroo | Yes I do. |
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| 01:27.41 | Kilroo | Rats. My UI isn't in my screenshots. |
| 01:27.43 | Kilroo | Oh well. |
| 01:34.27 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r34854 10Prat/ (Prat_Modules/extras/Presets.lua extras/util.lua): Prat: Make sure hidden modules are not disabled when applying presets. |
| 01:36.18 | kergoth | neat, pitbull says i have 10 energy while dead |
| 01:36.24 | kergoth | i wonder how i managed to have that |
| 01:36.26 | kergoth | :P |
| 01:36.31 | nymbia | call the SPI func |
| 01:36.34 | nymbia | API* |
| 01:36.38 | nymbia | that's what it returns ;) |
| 01:36.51 | Roartindon | just like it says you have 1 HP :) |
| 01:36.52 | Funkeh` | always blame blizz before blaming ace! |
| 01:37.06 | ZealotOnAStick | ~seen Kaelten |
| 01:37.44 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@69.109.103.158> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4h 26m 26s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 01:37.44 | Saint-N | i thought ti was blame ckk regardless of error |
| 01:37.44 | ckknight | don't make me have to skullfuck you |
| 01:37.44 | kergoth | nymbia: huh.. thats odd, considering kEnergy shows it as 0 |
| 01:37.54 | ckknight | kergoth: kEnergy might do a health check first. |
| 01:37.57 | Saint-N | it would only be fair i suppose since thats you're moves fav position ;P |
| 01:38.50 | kergoth | ckknight: it does not, i wrote it :P |
| 01:38.57 | kergoth | me shrugs |
| 01:38.59 | Kilroo | Ok, riddle me this. Is there a way to drag something off a button in an infinibar? And if so, why am I not finding it? |
| 01:39.46 | Kilroo | Current frontrunner for answer #2 is I'm stupid. |
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| 01:41.02 | ulic|Zzz | Kilroo: try holding shift? other AB addons I've used do that. |
| 01:42.57 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r34855 10Prat/Prat_Modules/extras/Presets.lua: Prat: lrn2savechangesbeforecommitting |
| 01:44.46 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34856 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull_Aura - fix buffsort (actually store name) |
| 01:45.41 | Kilroo | Ah, scruit. |
| 01:46.42 | ulic | Kilroo: did you see my message? |
| 01:46.56 | Kilroo | Yep. Tried that before. |
| 01:47.02 | ulic | ok |
| 01:49.13 | Kilroo | Irksome kinda. I like the way Infinibar sets up. Sounds like it's having some kind of issues though. |
| 01:52.59 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102901770&postId=1026930042&sid=1#0 <-- is this suggestion totally without merit? |
| 01:56.20 | Thorgard | Thrae, a little. Not all the servers are at the same datacenter (afaik). But I guess it might work within the same datacenters.. I runno. |
| 01:56.30 | Thorgard | For #1. |
| 01:56.31 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r34857 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/PlayerNames.lua: Prat: Prevent the cache from being marked as loaded until there is valid guild info. |
| 01:56.49 | ckknight | I like #1 |
| 01:56.57 | ckknight | no opinion on #2 |
| 01:57.28 | Amadeo | I like 1 also |
| 01:57.41 | Amadeo | I'd like the practice arenas to give normal honor |
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| 02:13.45 | vhaarr | http://fukung.net/v/119/how-to-catch-script-kiddies.gif lol |
| 02:15.43 | Roartindon | Next on the list: Every IPv6 address ever! |
| 02:16.36 | wallen | rofl |
| 02:17.22 | ckknight | Roartindon: that'd be too big |
| 02:17.29 | Roartindon | of course :) |
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| 02:20.20 | CIA-23 | Aloft : |
| 02:20.20 | CIA-23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.25 | Gngsk | heh |
| 02:20.51 | Gngsk | love the name of the torrent |
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| 02:51.51 | CIA-23 | 03grayhoof * r34859 10sct/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:51.51 | CIA-23 | sct: Initial commit of 2.1 changes. Works on live and PTR. |
| 02:51.52 | CIA-23 | - Added SharedMedia for fonts |
| 02:51.52 | CIA-23 | - Cleaned up Drain/Leech events |
| 02:51.52 | CIA-23 | - Added option to turn off WoW's 2.1 healing |
| 02:51.52 | CIA-23 | - Cleaned up Unit Nameplate code (in previous commit also) |
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| 02:52.07 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 02:52.24 | CIA-23 | 03grayhoof * r34860 10sct_options/ (9 files): |
| 02:52.25 | CIA-23 | sct_options: Initial commit of 2.1 changes. Works on live and PTR. |
| 02:52.25 | CIA-23 | - Added SharedMedia for fonts |
| 02:52.25 | CIA-23 | - Cleaned up Drain/Leech events |
| 02:52.25 | CIA-23 | - Added option to turn off WoW's 2.1 healing |
| 02:52.25 | CIA-23 | - Cleaned up Unit Nameplate code (in previous commit also) |
| 02:52.54 | CIA-23 | 03grayhoof * r34861 10sctd/ (localization.lua localization.tw.lua sctd.lua sctd.toc): |
| 02:52.54 | CIA-23 | sctd: Initial commit of 2.1 changes. Works on live and PTR. |
| 02:52.54 | CIA-23 | - Added SharedMedia for fonts |
| 02:52.54 | CIA-23 | - Cleaned up Drain/Leech events |
| 02:52.55 | CIA-23 | - Added option to turn off WoW's 2.1 healing |
| 02:52.57 | CIA-23 | - Cleaned up Unit Nameplate code (in previous commit also) |
| 02:53.06 | ckknight | nameplate code? |
| 02:53.15 | ckknight | why does SCT handle nameplates? |
| 02:53.16 | CIA-23 | 03grayhoof * r34862 10sctd_options/ (7 files): |
| 02:53.16 | CIA-23 | sctd_options: Initial commit of 2.1 changes. Works on live and PTR. |
| 02:53.16 | CIA-23 | - Added SharedMedia for fonts |
| 02:53.16 | CIA-23 | - Cleaned up Drain/Leech events |
| 02:53.17 | CIA-23 | - Added option to turn off WoW's 2.1 healing |
| 02:53.18 | CIA-23 | - Cleaned up Unit Nameplate code (in previous commit also) |
| 02:55.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: it can put damage over the associated unit's name plate, i believe |
| 02:55.27 | ckknight | ah. |
| 02:55.31 | ckknight | that's cool |
| 02:56.01 | Funkeh` | i never quite understood that |
| 02:56.10 | Funkeh` | if i wanted it over the nameplate i would use blizzard damage |
| 02:56.13 | CIA-23 | 03grayhoof * r34863 10EavesDrop/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 02:56.13 | CIA-23 | EavesDrop: Initial commit of 1.4 changes. |
| 02:56.13 | CIA-23 | - Added Waterfall as optional way to view options. Use Shift+Right Click on tab. |
| 02:56.13 | CIA-23 | - Changed to use SpecialEventsLib for buffs/debuffs |
| 02:56.13 | CIA-23 | - Added new optional Combat Summary when combat stops |
| 02:56.14 | CIA-23 | - Added new way to scroll text by combat flags. Use ctrl+click or ctrl+mouse wheel |
| 02:56.18 | CIA-23 | - Added buff and debuff names that can be shortened using abbreviation or truncation |
| 02:56.30 | Funkeh` | which is afr superior and sexier, the only reason i use sctd is for bosses that are too big |
| 02:56.43 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yeah, but you wouldnt get sct's other effects, i guess. *shrug* |
| 02:57.06 | Funkeh` | i prefer the blizzard stickyness and stuff |
| 02:57.09 | Tain | Down with SCT. Up with MSBT. |
| 02:57.12 | Kilroo | Wow. |
| 02:57.23 | Kilroo | I only just now noticed that my friends list is...gone. |
| 02:57.25 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* to each their own, I dislike the blizzard FCT. |
| 02:57.36 | Kilroo | What's up with that? |
| 02:57.37 | Funkeh` | im not talking about fct |
| 02:57.41 | Funkeh` | im talking about sctd |
| 02:57.44 | Funkeh` | completely different things |
| 02:57.53 | NightHawkTheSane | er, right, my bad. |
| 02:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | still, blizzard's default doesnt let you do some of the things sctd does, so i guess people might want that. |
| 02:59.13 | Funkeh` | maybe |
| 02:59.19 | Funkeh` | but i still think the blizz one is sexier |
| 02:59.22 | Funkeh` | :p |
| 02:59.26 | Funkeh` | just the way its layed out |
| 02:59.27 | NightHawkTheSane | personal opinion :) |
| 02:59.43 | Funkeh` | and the way it sticky's crits |
| 03:00.32 | Prophh | is there WARMUP mod anymore? |
| 03:00.38 | Funkeh` | if i could display it lower for giant bosses, i would dump sctd |
| 03:00.42 | nymbia | <3 msbt |
| 03:00.48 | Prophh | whats the replacement for WARMUP mod that can tell u what is the memory usage for each mod |
| 03:00.59 | Funkeh` | Prophh: wait for 2.1 |
| 03:01.11 | Prophh | lol 2.1 wont be out for at least another 2 weeks |
| 03:01.13 | Prophh | minimum |
| 03:01.14 | nymbia | waiting a week is hard :( |
| 03:01.21 | sylvanaar | go on the ptr |
| 03:01.22 | Funkeh` | Prophh: it was meant to be this week FYI |
| 03:01.40 | Funkeh` | and yeah, go on the ptr |
| 03:02.01 | CIA-23 | 03ag * r34864 10ag_UnitFrames/ (5 files): ag_UnitFrames: Reduced amounts of registering and unregistering of events, and now works on PTR |
| 03:08.09 | sylvanaar | it should be an interesting show - everyone trying not to be one of the top 3 addons shown on the blizz tool |
| 03:08.09 | Funkeh` | yeah like i said |
| 03:08.09 | Funkeh` | gogo z_ addons! |
| 03:08.09 | sylvanaar | or lots of lod pieces |
| 03:08.10 | sylvanaar | obligatory triggering of gc's |
| 03:08.10 | ckknight | what we should do is hook the functions that check for CPU/memory usage |
| 03:12.57 | ag` | sylvanaar: blizz tool? |
| 03:12.57 | sylvanaar | or just create some countermeasures, addons which exploit the weakness how memory is tracked |
| 03:12.57 | sylvanaar | ag` yeah that sorry little latency meter mouseover |
| 03:12.57 | ag` | does it show addons in 2.1? |
| 03:12.57 | sylvanaar | top 3 |
| 03:12.57 | ag` | I better not be on it |
| 03:12.57 | Fin | by memory usage? |
| 03:12.58 | sylvanaar | gonna mean 3 worst addons to most people |
| 03:12.58 | Funkeh` | ktm, swstats |
| 03:12.58 | Funkeh` | theres your top2 :) |
| 03:12.58 | ag` | I don't use crap like that :P |
| 03:12.58 | Fin | or slowest, most cpu intensive, or what? |
| 03:12.58 | sylvanaar | swstats just got a new beta with a leaner memory footprint |
| 03:12.58 | Roartindon | Aloft is gonna cop it hard :) |
| 03:12.58 | sylvanaar | and a very cool combat log detail tracker |
| 03:12.58 | Roartindon | Being alphabetically "A" |
| 03:12.58 | Roartindon | And incorporating a number of Ace libraries |
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| 03:12.59 | Funkeh` | hehe |
| 03:12.59 | sylvanaar | embedded libraries will run from the first mod to load that embeds them |
| 03:12.59 | Roartindon | yep. |
| 03:13.05 | ag` | so uhm |
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| 03:16.51 | sylvanaar | it falls back to the order which it was seen probably |
| 03:17.14 | Fin | actually I'm really curious about this |
| 03:17.31 | ag` | that meter, does it already work on the ptr? |
| 03:17.34 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 03:17.50 | ag` | do I own it? |
| 03:18.10 | ag` | I want to own xperl so bad |
| 03:18.17 | Fin | what's the line needed in the .toc? ## OptionalDeps: ? |
| 03:18.18 | Fin | yes |
| 03:18.21 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 03:18.25 | Funkeh` | make xperl optdep |
| 03:18.31 | ag` | hehe |
| 03:18.37 | ag` | no that won't matter |
| 03:18.40 | sylvanaar | xperl doesnt embed anything |
| 03:18.45 | Funkeh` | true |
| 03:19.03 | sylvanaar | and its split into 10 addons |
| 03:19.33 | ag` | I think I am going to create an addon per function |
| 03:19.41 | ag` | that way I will be on the bottom |
| 03:19.41 | sylvanaar | lol |
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| 03:20.13 | Funkeh` | rofl |
| 03:20.27 | sylvanaar | i have prat nil out everything thats not used, so i get the memory savings without 30+ lod modules |
| 03:20.29 | Roartindon | ag` Don't worry, with addons like ktm out there, I really doubt you're in much danger of being at the top anyway :) |
| 03:20.35 | Funkeh` | ag_createframe ag_colourframe ag_moveframes |
| 03:21.57 | ag` | Roartindon: yeah, I am not worried, I think aguf is quite light, vharr and I did some optimizations lately |
| 03:22.13 | Fin | well |
| 03:22.13 | Fin | I just got Prat and Prat_AutoLoD to specify each other in the OptionalDeps line |
| 03:22.13 | Fin | didn't make much difference |
| 03:22.42 | Fin | maybe I don't understand |
| 03:22.50 | sylvanaar | what? |
| 03:23.00 | Roartindon | if you create a cyclic optdep, it'll just revert to natural loading order |
| 03:23.13 | Fin | oh now you have an answer |
| 03:23.14 | sylvanaar | you can OptDep youself if you wanted |
| 03:23.29 | Fin | :) |
| 03:23.36 | sylvanaar | its merely a "hint" |
| 03:24.12 | sylvanaar | there is also this loadmanager thing which nobody seems to know much about |
| 03:24.40 | Fin | that makes sense |
| 03:24.44 | Funkeh` | wtb LoD within 1 folder |
| 03:24.52 | Funkeh` | then you could probably make every function lod |
| 03:25.00 | Fin | (someone said "force" which was why I was asking) |
| 03:25.02 | sylvanaar | you can have all your source in one folder |
| 03:25.36 | Fin | it's great |
| 03:25.38 | sylvanaar | its pseudo-LoD |
| 03:25.42 | Fin | and it didn't break :P |
| 03:26.13 | Fin | (switching from the previous setu |
| 03:26.15 | Fin | +p) |
| 03:26.18 | sylvanaar | yep |
| 03:26.26 | ag` | did anyone do a loadmanager yet= |
| 03:26.35 | sylvanaar | nobody really knows what it is |
| 03:27.00 | sylvanaar | except maybe the 2-3 ppl who thought it would be near |
| 03:27.01 | Thrae | sylvanaar: What's wrong with LoadManager? |
| 03:27.04 | Fin | Attleborough is a suburb of the Warwickshire town of Nuneaton in England. It is located towards the northeast of the town. |
| 03:27.05 | sylvanaar | neat |
| 03:27.10 | sylvanaar | splain what it does |
| 03:27.27 | ckknight | Thrae: I never got that to work.. |
| 03:28.46 | Thrae | "LoadManagers" is suppose to do exactly what Iriel describes it to do |
| 03:28.47 | sylvanaar | there wasnt even a full use case on the forum |
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| 03:29.09 | sylvanaar | why was it added |
| 03:29.14 | sylvanaar | what problem does it solve |
| 03:29.24 | Thrae | The addon including "LoadManagers" will become LoadOnDemand only if it can successfully load the addon(s) listed in "LoadManagers" |
| 03:30.40 | Thrae | sylvanaar: That allows you to basically make every addon optionally LoadOnDemand instead of explicitly |
| 03:30.51 | sylvanaar | and why would you need to do that |
| 03:31.35 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: eg. Prat_Modules is optionally LoD if Prat_AutoLOD is around |
| 03:32.16 | Thrae | sylvanaar: IE, Prat itself could be LoD as long as a generic LoD manager exists |
| 03:33.44 | sylvanaar | right, there is no use case for it - someone just thought it would be neat but we dont know why |
| 03:33.54 | ag` | I think it would be pretty nice, I activate and deactivate addons from time to time when I am testing them out, would be good to be able to have an addon load up instantly instead of having to do /rl |
| 03:33.57 | Funkeh` | its neat |
| 03:34.08 | Funkeh` | just not very popular in most addons |
| 03:34.12 | Funkeh` | or useful |
| 03:34.18 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Well, what happens if Prat is made LoD and its LoD manager addon breaks (what everyone worries about with dependencies) |
| 03:34.51 | Thrae | sylvanaar: With LoadManagers, the broken LoD manager can be disabled without disabling Prat |
| 03:35.11 | sylvanaar | Prat isnt a good example because it has 3 LoD children, none of which are optional |
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| 03:36.01 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Prat is an excellent example, actually |
| 03:36.51 | Thrae | sylvanaar: With the new TOC field, instead of Prat requiring 4 addons all dedicated to Prat, it can be made into 1 generic LoD manager and 3 Prat modules |
| 03:37.23 | sylvanaar | Thats sorta what it is now |
| 03:38.00 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Except the LoD is -required-, so if the LoD manager breaks, you have no options |
| 03:39.24 | Thrae | sylvanaar: You have to remember, a lot of coders don't like dependencies due to maintenance issues |
| 03:39.44 | Thrae | This is an OPTIONAL dependency |
| 03:40.04 | sylvanaar | my understanding is that its an optdept that turns into a reqdep if one is found |
| 03:40.40 | Thrae | sylvanaar: No, only if enabled, not just "found" |
| 03:43.04 | Tekkub | it's an optdep that changes the addon's LoD status if present |
| 03:43.13 | Tekkub | manager present, addon is LoD |
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| 03:43.29 | Tekkub | not present, addon loads as a regular addon |
| 03:43.39 | sylvanaar | why would you need that |
| 03:43.41 | Tekkub | so it's just an optional LoD stub |
| 03:43.58 | Tekkub | because people won't use addons that REQUIRE a lod stub |
| 03:44.12 | Tekkub | because everyone's afraid of ReqDeps now |
| 03:45.13 | sylvanaar | ok, so it lets you have something like SupplyandDemand without declaring the addons LoD |
| 03:45.16 | Tekkub | but a shitload of addons could work under LoD terms for those willing to run a stub |
| 03:45.29 | Tekkub | S&D was the exact reason I asked for it |
| 03:45.43 | Tekkub | noone wants to use S&D because the fear the ReqDep |
| 03:46.25 | Tekkub | this makes it so people can code for S7D, make their addons load conditionally, and the end users that are afraid of the dep just get massive load times like usual |
| 03:47.48 | sylvanaar | yeah, i get it, it is geared towards otherwise unrelated addons |
| 03:48.54 | sylvanaar | and generic load managers vs core<->plugin types |
| 03:50.40 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Except you could give Generic LoadManager support on the Core itself |
| 03:50.46 | Tekkub | exactly syl |
| 03:51.02 | Tekkub | like say, making PRaid load in party |
| 03:51.44 | ag` | something that pisses me off about wow |
| 03:51.51 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 03:52.00 | ag` | why does the application have to be unresponsive to windows when it is loading? |
| 03:52.28 | sylvanaar | thats a full screen graphics issue |
| 03:52.30 | Roartindon | heh.. very few games are fully responsive on the initial loading phase |
| 03:52.33 | Thrae | ag`: That's true of most DirectX engines, as DirectX bypasses Windows and communicates directly with hardware |
| 03:52.45 | sylvanaar | run windowed and that doesnt happen |
| 03:52.52 | Roartindon | No, it's not a full screen graphcs issue, it's not a DX issue either. It's just that most games load initial data on the main thread |
| 03:52.57 | chutwig | it does still happen in full-screen windowed |
| 03:53.02 | chutwig | same deal on the mac |
| 03:53.12 | chutwig | you can switch back to the window with expose, at least |
| 03:53.27 | ag` | chutwig: I am fairly certain I can switch away on my mac while loading |
| 03:53.29 | ag` | can't remember |
| 03:53.31 | Thrae | Roartindon: In DX7, you didn't have a choice w/ full-screen. |
| 03:53.38 | chutwig | ag`: mine definitely doesn't |
| 03:53.55 | Roartindon | Thrae: That doesn't mean you couldn't switch away from DX7 games |
| 03:54.00 | sylvanaar | the problem is that the full screen mode switch is handled by the application |
| 03:54.33 | ag` | I don't see why it needs to render my entire system unusable while loading |
| 03:54.33 | Thrae | Roartindon: That's not what ag` said, he asked why Windows says the program is "unresponsive" |
| 03:54.50 | Roartindon | Thrae: It's because it's loading on the main thread, and hence, isn't processing Windows messages |
| 03:55.04 | Thrae | Roartindon: Which is what I was trying to say... |
| 03:55.10 | ag` | WarCraft 3 does it fine |
| 03:55.25 | ag` | -_- |
| 03:55.34 | Thrae | ag`: WC3 doesn't have nearly as much data to load |
| 03:55.46 | Roartindon | So it has nothing to do with full screen graphics |
| 03:55.48 | chutwig | so apparently they didn't burden the main thread with stuff in wc3 |
| 03:55.49 | Roartindon | Or DX specific |
| 03:56.03 | Roartindon | But yeah, glad we agree |
| 03:56.23 | ag` | Thrae: I know, but the problem is not load, because it doesn't use 100% while loading, if it even uses my second core at all |
| 03:56.37 | chutwig | it's purely in blizzard's programming |
| 03:57.01 | ag` | that's what I would think too |
| 03:57.25 | chutwig | isn't it like 6 AM there |
| 03:57.39 | ag` | here? |
| 03:57.42 | Thrae | Roartindon: Are you saying in DX7, you can set the engine to full-screen and still have a seperate thread for Windows messages that is honoured at all times? |
| 03:59.14 | sylvanaar | its probably not so simple, because the graphics subsystem has to run in the primary thread |
| 04:00.57 | chutwig | in denmark? |
| 04:00.57 | ag` | yes |
| 04:00.57 | chutwig | crazy danes |
| 04:00.57 | ag` | I have work today |
| 04:00.57 | Roartindon | The graphics system doesn't ahve to run on the main thread |
| 04:00.57 | sylvanaar | when its full screen i think it does |
| 04:00.57 | Roartindon | Nope :) |
| 04:00.57 | ag` | I am just having trouble understanding why it needs to lock up the system, when WarCraft 3 didn't need to |
| 04:00.57 | Thrae | It's suppose to run on the main thread. |
| 04:01.20 | Roartindon | Back in 97 |
| 04:01.20 | Roartindon | I worked on a D3D game |
| 04:01.20 | Roartindon | D3d v3 or so |
| 04:01.20 | Roartindon | With all of its execute buffer horribleness |
| 04:01.20 | Roartindon | and we were already separating graphics and AI threads |
| 04:01.20 | Roartindon | As long as your syncs are right, it works fine |
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| 04:01.21 | chutwig | when in doubt, just blame tigole |
| 04:01.21 | ag` | yes, it is probably togoles fault |
| 04:01.21 | Roartindon | It's guess that it hasn't been important enough for them to revise that code |
| 04:01.21 | Thrae | It can work, but I haven't heard if it is as efficient as using the main thread for most applications, pre Dual Core. |
| 04:01.21 | chutwig | too busy making weird nerfs |
| 04:01.21 | chutwig | and then reverting them without explanation |
| 04:01.21 | Thrae | Windows XP still isn't THAT good at multitasking. |
| 04:01.36 | ag` | I don't know how vista handles it actually |
| 04:01.37 | chutwig | XP is a lot better than vista by virtue of not being such a resource ho |
| 04:01.38 | chutwig | hog |
| 04:01.50 | sylvanaar | vista runs better than xp |
| 04:01.56 | chutwig | dwm in vista uses the same mechanism as quartz in OS X |
| 04:02.00 | ag` | how bad can vista be if you turn off aero? |
| 04:02.04 | Thrae | chutwig: That has nothing to do with multitasking, but generally, I would agree. |
| 04:02.14 | Roartindon | ag` Apart from the whole signed driver thing? |
| 04:02.17 | chutwig | window contents are an opengl texture and then dwm composes the scene |
| 04:02.21 | Roartindon | Which means I can't work under vista at all? |
| 04:02.22 | Thrae | ag`: Vista includes a ton more crap that XP doesn't |
| 04:02.32 | chutwig | so there's an additional layer of abstraction between the application and the window manager |
| 04:03.49 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Not without specific hardware and compared to OEM XP Pro |
| 04:04.10 | chutwig | vista does have quite shocking resource usage |
| 04:04.11 | sylvanaar | my system ran noticably faster after inplace upgrading from xp |
| 04:04.15 | chutwig | and i have no idea where it goes |
| 04:04.47 | ag` | if you disable aero and the sidebar and all that crap |
| 04:05.02 | ag` | wouldn't vista have a better kernel system than xp? |
| 04:05.04 | ag` | deep down? |
| 04:05.26 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Your configuration of XP was screwed up, or you had programs which don't load properly on Vista, or you have newer hardware. |
| 04:05.31 | chutwig | it's... better, but i dunno |
| 04:05.40 | chutwig | typical overengineered microsoft trainwreck |
| 04:06.21 | Thrae | ag`: Yes, it does. Vista just needs to be more heavily tweaked then XP due to the number and resource usage of its services. |
| 04:06.35 | chutwig | if you have a desktop and can afford to use readyboost on a permanent basis |
| 04:06.38 | chutwig | that speeds it up considerably |
| 04:07.17 | chutwig | but i have to admit i kind of relish watching microsoft go through the same pains that apple did 5 years ago |
| 04:07.18 | ag` | Thrae: hm, what services does it run which XP doesn't? |
| 04:07.25 | chutwig | as they try to figure out how to get dwm to actually run fast |
| 04:07.48 | Thrae | ag`: Tons. |
| 04:08.03 | chutwig | don't forget the DRM thing that polls 70 times a second |
| 04:08.28 | Thrae | chutwig: DWM or Digital Rights Management? |
| 04:08.36 | chutwig | latter |
| 04:08.42 | chutwig | dwm is the window manager |
| 04:08.47 | Thrae | What does DRM have to do with stock Vista? |
| 04:09.05 | ag` | ugh bedtime. |
| 04:09.21 | chutwig | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Media_Path |
| 04:10.08 | chutwig | another let's-get-in-bed-with-the-studios feature from your friends at microsoft |
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| 04:12.22 | Thrae | chutwig: Yeah I knew about that, but I was under the impression Vista only queries when DRM content is actually loaded. |
| 04:13.02 | chutwig | the polling refers to the system continually monitoring what kernel-mode software is loaded |
| 04:15.47 | Thrae | chutwig: So it monitors irregardless of what program is display graphics on the screen? So if you are playing WoW, the DRM monitor will still poll everything continously? |
| 04:16.06 | Thrae | If so, that makes no sense |
| 04:16.57 | chutwig | Thrae: the actual PMP will only trigger if DRM content is being played, but somewhere along the line it has to poll, either to find out what kernel-mode software is loaded or to determine whether DRM content is being played |
| 04:17.43 | chutwig | and in the end it's one of a million little things that eats away at the computer's resources |
| 04:17.51 | Thrae | chutwig: True, but 70 times per second is way over the top if all it's doing is looking for DRM content |
| 04:18.14 | Thrae | "OMG, I got 0.001ms of this DRM song instead of 1s of this DRM song!" |
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| 04:32.23 | Funkeh` | later |
| 04:33.20 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34865 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull_Aura - fix potential bugs in buffsort/debuffsort |
| 04:34.25 | ckknight | Thrae: they can't take any chances. |
| 04:34.32 | ckknight | there are pirates about! |
| 04:36.27 | Thrae | ckknight: I had to scroll up reeeally far to tell wtf you were talking about |
| 04:36.39 | ckknight | um, 8 lines? |
| 04:36.48 | Thrae | Not in irssi w/ split windows, heh |
| 04:36.51 | ckknight | ah. |
| 04:36.58 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 04:37.01 | Thrae | I could have just done /lastlog, silly me |
| 04:38.54 | ckknight | okay |
| 04:38.57 | ckknight | I have a conundrum |
| 04:39.12 | ckknight | you know how blizz has raidFilter now, for buff/debuff filtering |
| 04:39.14 | Thrae | ckknight: You should use LoadManagers w/ PitBull |
| 04:39.21 | ckknight | Thrae: makes no sense. |
| 04:39.33 | ckknight | Thrae: they should just be LoD |
| 04:39.50 | ckknight | how would I reproduce the raidFilter for buffs without using the raidFilter itself? |
| 04:39.56 | ckknight | I want to add extra stuff as well, basically |
| 04:40.16 | Thrae | ckknight: You could just give support for it, since it's optional anyway |
| 04:40.36 | nymbia | for buffs, you'd pretty much need a list for each class of buffs they can cast |
| 04:41.02 | ckknight | not quite, nymbia |
| 04:41.13 | ckknight | for things like Inner Fire |
| 04:41.23 | ckknight | which priests cast but doesn't show up for raidFilter |
| 04:41.44 | ckknight | Thrae: but it makes absolutely no sense. the modules can't work without PitBull, so why not just force a dependency? |
| 04:41.46 | Thrae | What's wrong with UnitBuff's internal filter? |
| 04:42.13 | nymbia | it doesnt show some stuff you can cast |
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| 04:42.29 | nymbia | or some stuff that you can't cure but need to know about anyway |
| 04:42.31 | ckknight | Thrae: there are some extra stuff that's useful |
| 04:42.36 | ckknight | e.g. Silverwing Flag |
| 04:42.42 | Thrae | ckknight: Because a generic load manager can easily be made to be far smaller then PitBull itself |
| 04:42.50 | nymbia | armor spells for mages arent shown |
| 04:43.03 | nymbia | inner fire and weakened soul for priests |
| 04:43.09 | nymbia | forbearance for pallys |
| 04:43.10 | nymbia | etc. |
| 04:43.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lightning/water shield and totem buffs for shammies |
| 04:43.16 | Thrae | Hmmm, that seems like something that should be in 2.1.2 |
| 04:46.10 | ckknight | Thrae: ? |
| 04:46.23 | Thrae | ckknight: The Core |
| 04:46.31 | ckknight | what core? |
| 04:46.50 | Thrae | The Core of PitBull which loads all other PitBull modules |
| 04:47.10 | sylvanaar | what could you replace it with? |
| 04:47.22 | Thrae | A generic loadmanager... |
| 04:47.45 | CIA-23 | 03gagorian * r34866 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: |
| 04:47.45 | CIA-23 | DrDamage: |
| 04:47.46 | CIA-23 | -Light's Grace fix |
| 04:48.07 | ckknight | Thrae: alright... |
| 04:48.59 | sylvanaar | modules are plugins to something |
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| 04:49.24 | sylvanaar | they dont do anything when not plugged in |
| 04:50.18 | Thrae | Adding an optional module onto an existing addon is different then seperating that addon into a core + required modules |
| 04:51.07 | Thrae | The Core's basic function is exactly what a generic loadmanager does -- load the module addons conditionally |
| 04:51.08 | sylvanaar | yes, but the core is a requirement for the modules |
| 04:51.31 | sylvanaar | right |
| 04:51.50 | Thrae | However, all the Cores I have seen do more then just what a generic loadmanager would do, because they are specifically designed for their modules |
| 04:52.06 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 04:52.38 | Thrae | Therefore, if you take the pieces out of the Core which overlap with a generic loadmanager, then you can make what remains of the Core itself also LoD. |
| 04:53.01 | Thrae | Or, better yet, get rid of the Core altogether. |
| 04:53.29 | Thrae | Then the modules would be forced to load unconditionally without the generic loadmanager, but that's OK as it is up to the user. |
| 04:54.19 | Thrae | From this, you gain the ability to load what is left of the Core conditionally. |
| 04:54.38 | Thrae | I can onlu see a gain from doing this. |
| 04:54.46 | sylvanaar | sounds very complex for ??? gain |
| 04:55.27 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Only because you designed Prat before this LoadManagers thing existed. Your design is far more complex then what a LoadManagers could be used for. |
| 04:57.46 | ZealotOnAStick | Hmm. |
| 04:58.21 | ZealotOnAStick | Someone called "nunnali" just entered a "KLHThreatMeterV2" to Curse. Currently no files there . . . no description. Changelog is KTM's changelog. |
| 05:00.19 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r34867 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/PlayerNames.lua: Prat: TasteTheNamebow option was changed to type 'color' for some reason. |
| 05:02.18 | Guillotine | Zealot: link? |
| 05:02.47 | nymbia | probably gonna upload a keylogger or something. heh. |
| 05:03.09 | Guillotine | which is why I'd like a link :) Nip this one in the bud before they upload it |
| 05:03.31 | sylvanaar | i paid at the office - 2 accounts looted - count me out |
| 05:05.27 | Guillotine | zealot: looks like someone already took care of it. it now gives a 404 |
| 05:07.18 | ckknight | Thrae: PitBull's core does far more than load modules |
| 05:09.47 | Thrae | ckknight: Exactly why using a load manager on it would result in savings |
| 05:10.07 | ckknight | I don't see how |
| 05:11.27 | Neebler | I'm just now trying out pitbull today, doing karazhan and I love it. Prefer it much more than AG_UF which I was using for months |
| 05:11.27 | Thrae | ckknight: Say someone only wants to use PitBull when they are in a raid. The entirity of PitBull (including Core) could be made to only load when in a raid. |
| 05:11.27 | ckknight | oh |
| 05:11.27 | ckknight | perhaps |
| 05:11.28 | ZealotOnAStick | sorry, I was afk. And, I just refreshed it, it didn't 404 on me. |
| 05:11.28 | Neebler | <insert ckknight fanboy praise here> |
| 05:12.36 | ZealotOnAStick | I'll get around to use PitBull when I bother to go edit my own version of ABF to move some icons around. |
| 05:12.40 | ZealotOnAStick | Been lazy and haven't gotten to it yet. |
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| 05:22.12 | sylvanaar | load managers only do one thing - and they can only do it once there really arent that many scenerios for them to cover |
| 05:22.44 | ckknight | Neebler: bewbs |
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| 05:27.08 | rubik | hmm.. which PT3 category covers all stat food? is there such a thing? (i.e. for PT3Bar) |
| 05:27.26 | rubik | it's gotta be.. Consumable.Food.Edible.Bonus or Consumable.Food.Edible.Combo |
| 05:28.00 | NightHawkTheSane | the former, i believe, I think the latter is food&water combo food |
| 05:28.17 | rubik | ahh k.. makes sense.. ty |
| 05:29.09 | ckknight | Soup |
| 05:32.02 | Saint-N | Consumable.Food.Soup |
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| 05:40.38 | ckknight | hey. Is there somewhere in the WoW EULA that specifically says that you can't play on private servers? |
| 05:41.31 | Saint-N | why would there be? |
| 05:41.55 | Saint-N | technically the eula only covers connection to thier systems and use there of |
| 05:42.11 | Saint-N | they have no legal way to trackif you play else where with the client |
| 05:43.05 | Arrowmaster | the eula covers all usage of the client |
| 05:43.30 | Saint-N | yes but how can they legally check ;P |
| 05:43.42 | Saint-N | they cant! |
| 05:44.01 | Arrowmaster | but they can still make it against the eula |
| 05:44.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Saint-N: Section 4, part B, paragraph iv. |
| 05:44.06 | Saint-N | because in doing so they would need access to your computer and without authorization of such it's considered "theft of services" ;) |
| 05:44.15 | Saint-N | neat |
| 05:44.20 | Saint-N | that much be new |
| 05:44.26 | Saint-N | wasnt in the original ;) |
| 05:44.30 | Arrowmaster | you dont have to be able to enforce something to be able to not allow it |
| 05:44.57 | Arrowmaster | all single player games come with eula's |
| 05:44.58 | Saint-N | you do if you wanna prove they broke it |
| 05:45.20 | theoddone33 | eula's aren't legally enforceable anyway |
| 05:45.24 | theoddone33 | last I heard |
| 05:45.33 | Saint-N | making salicious claims doesnt really cut it in the case of software misuse |
| 05:45.53 | Saint-N | they are to a degree |
| 05:46.05 | Saint-N | but only in the case of licencing |
| 05:46.10 | theoddone33 | yes |
| 05:46.14 | Saint-N | in that by using a crack you've broken the eula |
| 05:46.19 | theoddone33 | they can legally prevent you from using their services because of it |
| 05:46.23 | Arrowmaster | theyre contracts, contracts are enforceable, now if certain eula's had stuff in them that wasnt enforceable thats different |
| 05:46.26 | theoddone33 | but they can't prosecute you for something, I imagine |
| 05:46.32 | Saint-N | using a program for something other than what it was intended for can be argued on lack of proof |
| 05:46.40 | theoddone33 | they're clicked contracts, that's the difference |
| 05:46.45 | theoddone33 | clicking isn't signing |
| 05:47.01 | Saint-N | it is for online transactions |
| 05:47.32 | Saint-N | but all the same, there is nothing in the law that says you need to agree to use it. |
| 05:47.52 | Saint-N | remember that tool that allows any button click even if its greyed? ;) |
| 05:48.51 | Saint-N | eulas were basically made as a pretend cover against lawsuits against the company for antyhing that could possibly go wrong |
| 05:49.11 | Saint-N | and to justify poor behavior on the companies behalf as far as control |
| 05:49.18 | Saint-N | but even so it harkens back to muds |
| 05:49.29 | Saint-N | the immortals were there and you played at thier leisure |
| 05:50.15 | Saint-N | the only difference with warcraft is that if you and 150k people had thier accounts terminated for no valid reason you "could" feasibly take a lawsuit against them and win despite the companies supposed legitimate breach of contract. |
| 05:50.39 | Saint-N | because you pay them for a service and thier hap hazard termination of the account entitles you to a refund of the unused amount |
| 05:50.40 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:50.44 | Saint-N | yes |
| 05:50.47 | Saint-N | no-one has |
| 05:50.50 | Saint-N | but you could |
| 05:50.50 | Arrowmaster | oh unused amount |
| 05:50.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats normal |
| 05:51.01 | Saint-N | yeh not like millions of dollars or anything ;P |
| 05:51.07 | Saint-N | although that would be hilarious |
| 05:51.15 | Arrowmaster | but they can still terminate the account anytime they wish and never reactivate it |
| 05:51.18 | Saint-N | bring a class action against blizzard cuz they nerfed yer class |
| 05:51.36 | Saint-N | sue for duress and emotional suffering |
| 05:52.00 | Saint-N | oh yeah |
| 05:52.07 | Diao | how can you prove |
| 05:52.08 | Saint-N | blizzard is the immortals |
| 05:52.12 | Diao | that it was for "no valid reason" |
| 05:52.13 | Saint-N | prove what? |
| 05:52.23 | Saint-N | oh things like the linux bannings |
| 05:52.31 | Arrowmaster | can i sue all the other wow subscribers then? for duress and emotional suffering while trying to use the blizzard forums? |
| 05:52.38 | Saint-N | yes |
| 05:52.39 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 05:52.49 | Saint-N | its america you can sue for anything at anytime |
| 05:53.04 | Arrowmaster | so true |
| 05:53.05 | Saint-N | see the "no valid reason" for example as a lawsuit |
| 05:53.09 | Arrowmaster | i hate my country |
| 05:53.17 | ckknight | this guy is trying to tell me that "millions" use private servers. |
| 05:53.25 | Saint-N | brought up against blizzard would REQUIRE blizzard, not you, to prove that it was right in its justification |
| 05:53.28 | ckknight | um... no |
| 05:53.30 | Arrowmaster | they dont |
| 05:53.40 | ckknight | tens of thousands would be a highball number, imho |
| 05:53.51 | theoddone33 | I heard private servers kind of suck because the game rules are all screwy |
| 05:53.54 | Saint-N | i'd say a good 40k people across the world play privates |
| 05:53.57 | Saint-N | easy |
| 05:53.58 | theoddone33 | never tried it though |
| 05:54.06 | Saint-N | depends |
| 05:54.17 | Saint-N | mangos/espireemu behave roughly the same |
| 05:54.26 | Arrowmaster | i started on a private server while waiting to my friends to get me a guest pass |
| 05:54.28 | Saint-N | the major downside to privates is no real warden, and 14yo gms |
| 05:54.39 | Saint-N | so everything is fuxored |
| 05:54.47 | Saint-N | and haxored to hell because you can |
| 05:55.02 | Arrowmaster | private servers are perty empty |
| 05:55.03 | Saint-N | to have a blizz like server requires a lot of effort on the part of the operator |
| 05:55.06 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 05:55.08 | Diao | the only reason to play private is to try out epics and stuff |
| 05:55.16 | Diao | or to make shiny pictures :P |
| 05:55.23 | Saint-N | the biggst privs ive seen are 80 at any given time |
| 05:55.30 | Saint-N | well 80-150ish |
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| 05:55.49 | Arrowmaster | the ones i tried would lockup every 15 minutes or so while saving the game info |
| 05:55.56 | Saint-N | under wowemu because of how it was made it had issues handling that amount of data because most of the game rules were handled by tcl scripts |
| 05:56.10 | Saint-N | and even then the tcl scripting was dll injection into it and wasnt meant to support it |
| 05:56.28 | Saint-N | so it had a horrid mem leak and bottleneck issues |
| 05:56.42 | Saint-N | and those pr4oblems too arrow |
| 05:56.49 | Saint-N | the newer ones like mangos use mysql |
| 05:57.02 | Saint-N | so while it might behave a bit better they arent doing it as cleanly as they should be |
| 05:57.14 | Saint-N | (well espires is but not the general public mangos releases) |
| 05:57.41 | Saint-N | ya know that pause you get when you hit an area with lots of gameobjects and mobs? |
| 05:57.48 | Saint-N | as they suddenly pop into view |
| 05:58.06 | Saint-N | imagine that for everything and everyone in the entire realm all the time hitting a mysql server |
| 05:58.27 | Saint-N | throw oracle back there and no probs |
| 05:58.28 | ckknight | lol. |
| 05:58.29 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what kinda database blizzard uses |
| 05:58.32 | Saint-N | but mysql cant handle it |
| 05:58.36 | Saint-N | oracle |
| 05:58.39 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: Oracle |
| 05:58.53 | Saint-N | the other main difference is that wowemus are in c# |
| 05:59.03 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 05:59.05 | Saint-N | im pretty sure that wow isnt |
| 05:59.12 | Saint-N | the server side i mean |
| 05:59.12 | ckknight | WoW's Java I believe. |
| 05:59.17 | Saint-N | hahaha |
| 05:59.18 | ckknight | not sure on that, though. |
| 05:59.24 | Saint-N | no its not java |
| 05:59.26 | Arrowmaster | c# didnt exist afaik back when i first used one |
| 05:59.30 | Saint-N | although that would be great |
| 05:59.34 | ckknight | Java's not bad for server-side stuff, Saint-N |
| 05:59.56 | Saint-N | the original wowemu was borland c |
| 06:00.06 | Saint-N | the newer ones are c# |
| 06:00.22 | Saint-N | really ckk? |
| 06:00.29 | Saint-N | java makes my skin crawl |
| 06:00.31 | Arrowmaster | ah, well last time i used one was around wow patch 1.6 |
| 06:00.38 | Saint-N | yeah that was wowemu |
| 06:01.06 | Saint-N | he stopped making it around that time cuz oldone cracked his encryption and started giving it out to everyone for free ;P |
| 06:01.21 | Saint-N | WAD was charging people for his buggy wowemu server up to theat point |
| 06:01.23 | Saint-N | that |
| 06:01.43 | Saint-N | it got to 1.8.2 i believe |
| 06:02.08 | Saint-N | and all updates past that were client hacks to make it appear like it was 1.8.2 despite it having the content and crap from higher versions |
| 06:02.26 | Saint-N | oh and serverside tcls |
| 06:02.30 | Saint-N | with custom addons |
| 06:02.48 | Saint-N | ive still got my archive somewhere of all the old shit when it was getting good |
| 06:03.10 | Saint-N | right before mangos cam out |
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| 06:12.42 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.46 | Fin | -space |
| 06:13.07 | Fin | juicy |
| 06:13.16 | Fin | good morning! |
| 06:13.38 | NightHawkTheSane | s/good// |
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| 06:13.57 | Fin | what's the name for words that sound like they *should* sound? like onomatopeia but it doesn't actually sound like anything |
| 06:14.17 | Fin | whatever it is, "blearly" is one of those words |
| 06:14.47 | Fin | "Fin waved a blearly good morning to the people he woke up with that day" |
| 06:16.17 | Fin | The AEG C.VIII was a prototype two-seat reconnaissance aircraft of World War I. Two examples were built, based on the successful AEG C.IV design, one of biplane configuration, the other a triplane (the latter sometimes referred to as the C.VIII.Dr). Neither version offered enough of an improvement on the C.IV to make mass production worthwhile. |
| 06:19.58 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34869 10RollCall-1.0/RollCall-1.0/RollCall-1.0.lua: RollCall-1.0 - make the /seen command much better for casing. |
| 06:21.03 | ckknight | thank you for that |
| 06:21.06 | ckknight | whatever that was |
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| 06:41.05 | Silviu- | Elkano could u add http://www.fontfiles.com/Fonts/Detailed/100.html Black Chancery to sharedmedia ( font ) ;) |
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| 06:42.04 | theoddone33 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A maybe old, I dunno |
| 06:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | well i saw it last week, so yeah, thats old. |
| 06:44.57 | Elkano | Silviu-, I don't like font pages without info about licences :/ |
| 06:45.09 | Silviu- | :( |
| 06:45.33 | Elkano | also it lacks a good preview of the chars in the font |
| 06:46.22 | Silviu- | Wait a sec i`ll try find another page :) |
| 06:48.49 | Silviu- | http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Black_Chancery.htm |
| 06:48.57 | Silviu- | Here, is a more detailed page |
| 06:49.27 | Fisker-- | Boubouille |
| 06:49.43 | ckknight | lol, the_squid |
| 06:49.46 | ckknight | theoddone33* |
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| 06:49.51 | the_squid | lol. |
| 06:49.57 | theoddone33 | stuck in my head, that thing is |
| 06:50.09 | Elkano | Silviu-, much better :) |
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| 06:52.07 | Silviu- | Oh i saw that movie 1 month ago i think |
| 06:52.09 | Silviu- | funny ^^ |
| 06:54.50 | CIA-23 | 03elkano * r34870 10SharedMedia/ (SharedMedia.lua fonts/BlackChancery.ttf): SharedMedia: added font: BlackChancery |
| 06:55.04 | Silviu- | <3 Elkano |
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| 06:59.36 | CIA-23 | 03jerry * r34871 10Talented_Data/Talented_Data_enUS.lua: Talented_Data: update |
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| 07:00.03 | sylvanaar | oh Elkano im noticing ppl coming up with various namespacing formats in SML, perhaps SML should just provide one |
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| 07:01.05 | Elkano | sylvanaar, hmm? |
| 07:02.37 | sylvanaar | theres SCT_* and Bugsack: |
| 07:04.42 | sylvanaar | thought it might be good to have it standardized from the start |
| 07:05.34 | ckknight | why can't we force sterility on all the stupid people? |
| 07:06.08 | Elkano | why isn't there a way to punch people in the face over standard TCP/IP :/ |
| 07:06.51 | ckknight | referring to me, Elkano? |
| 07:10.33 | Elkano | well, more to what you said |
| 07:10.34 | Elkano | and grayhoof maybe |
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| 07:10.34 | Elkano | sylvanaar: fonts should go by the name in the ttf :/ |
| 07:10.35 | ckknight | what's wrong with trying to curb overpopulation by getting rid of the unwashed masses? |
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| 07:14.13 | ckknight | it's not as if the average level of intelligence/genetic worth is a constant. As time progresses, there poses the possibility that said average level will grow steadily closer to the lower levels of worth. |
| 07:15.58 | ckknight | and no, this isn't a race-based issue |
| 07:16.04 | |Pixel| | and that's supposing intelligence was a pure genetic-based factor :) |
| 07:16.17 | ckknight | it's not pure genetic-based |
| 07:16.29 | ckknight | but genetics is related |
| 07:16.30 | Arrowmaster | i still support taking the warning labels off everything |
| 07:16.34 | ckknight | and I'm not just saying intelligence |
| 07:16.42 | ckknight | other attributes are important, too |
| 07:16.55 | ckknight | strength, level of sickness, overall drive |
| 07:17.02 | ckknight | etc. |
| 07:17.41 | |Pixel| | I'd say just one word: "Gattaca" |
| 07:18.18 | Elkano | sylvanaar: updated wiki with some conventions |
| 07:18.36 | ckknight | |Pixel|: that a problem? |
| 07:18.53 | ckknight | also, we may want to mix a little Logan's Run in there. |
| 07:21.03 | Elkano | someone should forec grayhoof and some others to IRC :/ |
| 07:22.22 | Arrowmaster | i noticed he added an option to sct to disable the new blizzard healing display thingy in 2.1 |
| 07:23.11 | Arrowmaster | wouldnt the logical thing to do be to remove the nameplate healing from sct since its kinda a hacky feature to begin with |
| 07:23.31 | kergoth | healing display? |
| 07:23.58 | Arrowmaster | in 2.1 heal values will display over the targets head like damage does |
| 07:24.05 | kergoth | ah |
| 07:24.32 | Arrowmaster | which is kinda funny on ptr with warlock t5 |
| 07:25.17 | Arrowmaster | everytime somebody healed me, i would heal my pet standing next to me even if it had full hp |
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| 07:28.44 | Elkano | ckknight, you can't have individual transperency settings per fubar plugin, can you? |
| 07:28.52 | ckknight | no |
| 07:29.38 | Elkano | for the attached tooltip I mean. someone requested it for GuildFu :/ |
| 07:33.38 | ckknight | oh |
| 07:33.42 | ckknight | if you detach |
| 07:33.45 | ckknight | otherwise, no |
| 07:37.37 | ckknight | one day in 5th grade or so, I asked my teacher what she wanted to be when she grew up |
| 07:38.15 | theoddone33 | did she start crying because she didn't know? |
| 07:38.31 | ckknight | no, I forget her reaction |
| 07:46.30 | CIA-23 | 03jerry * r34872 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib: simplify event handling |
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| 08:21.37 | Sole | hai ho |
| 08:21.54 | Elkano | ni hao |
| 08:22.01 | Sole | leveling is poos |
| 08:22.10 | Sole | I like 60-70 |
| 08:22.20 | Sole | but 1-60 is such a drag the second time round :( |
| 08:22.22 | Silviu- | I hate 1-60 |
| 08:22.24 | Silviu- | ;p |
| 08:22.33 | Sole | 60-70 is hella cool though |
| 08:22.36 | Sole | and fast |
| 08:22.54 | Silviu- | I`m leveling a dudu now |
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| 08:22.58 | Sole | dudu? |
| 08:23.00 | Silviu- | 42 atm :) |
| 08:23.04 | Silviu- | Druid |
| 08:23.04 | Sole | druid? |
| 08:23.08 | Sole | haha |
| 08:23.14 | Sole | Im leveling a shammy :) |
| 08:23.29 | Sole | because elemental/resto is quite to my playstyle |
| 08:23.39 | Silviu- | I like feral :) |
| 08:23.45 | Sole | and rogues are hella bad for 5v5 which is my main focus |
| 08:23.56 | Silviu- | And i`m a little bored of my warlock |
| 08:24.04 | Sole | locks are boring for me |
| 08:24.08 | Sole | just dot shit up, pewpew |
| 08:24.15 | Silviu- | Yeah:) |
| 08:24.18 | Sole | fear , spell lock, meh |
| 08:24.25 | Silviu- | lolcoil |
| 08:24.26 | Sole | rogue is interesting to play, for sure |
| 08:24.26 | Silviu- | :) |
| 08:24.34 | Silviu- | I have one 61 |
| 08:24.39 | Sole | have to get my combos down right |
| 08:24.45 | Sole | and timing is everything |
| 08:24.56 | Sole | Ive hung onto my rogue since WoW launch |
| 08:25.01 | Sole | but I play in 250-500 ping |
| 08:25.07 | Silviu- | Bad :P |
| 08:25.16 | Sole | so its been frustrating at times |
| 08:25.25 | Sole | shaman is less ping dependant |
| 08:25.26 | Silviu- | I started with a rogue too, but i deleted him and made my warlock :) |
| 08:25.31 | Sole | lol |
| 08:25.39 | Sole | Id still play my rogue |
| 08:25.53 | Sole | I enjoy the class, but damn they need some help in group peeveepee |
| 08:26.33 | Sole | theyre viable but not anything like a warrior or a hunter would do |
| 08:26.47 | Silviu- | Damn i hate patching PTR, i already downloded 5 patches |
| 08:26.54 | Silviu- | Btw, what is the latest build ? |
| 08:26.56 | Sole | unless its maybe a 4 DPS, 1 healer team |
| 08:26.58 | Sole | no idea |
| 08:27.09 | Elkano | Inflight vs ToFu vs FlightMap -> discuss :/ |
| 08:27.09 | Silviu- | So i know if i have to download more after this |
| 08:27.10 | Silviu- | :P |
| 08:27.24 | Silviu- | Elkano all do same thing |
| 08:27.27 | Sole | in a 4 dps set up, a rogue is decent because we have a huge burst potential on a focus fired target |
| 08:27.29 | Silviu- | As i remember |
| 08:27.29 | Silviu- | ;) |
| 08:27.36 | Sole | but if that guy doesnt go down in 30 seconds, rogue just fizzles out |
| 08:27.48 | Elkano | Silviu-, that could be the reason why I asked ;) |
| 08:28.17 | Silviu- | Well, FlightMap is not ace`d |
| 08:28.25 | Silviu- | So remains Inflight vs ToFu |
| 08:28.54 | Fisker-- | Boubouille you there? |
| 08:29.02 | Silviu- | Omg 6`th patch inc |
| 08:29.08 | Silviu- | I`m getting bored of this |
| 08:29.18 | Boubouille | Fisker- : no |
| 08:29.40 | Boubouille | how may i not help you ? |
| 08:29.55 | Fisker-- | You may not |
| 08:30.07 | Fisker-- | Has hand of eternity changed on ptr? |
| 08:30.14 | Boubouille | nop. |
| 08:30.23 | Boubouille | Read the comments on the news imo § |
| 08:30.27 | Fisker-- | then you suck ;( |
| 08:30.28 | Punkie` | Fisker- |
| 08:30.33 | CIA-23 | 03bam 07dataminer * r34873 10ItemPrice-1.0/items.csv: |
| 08:30.33 | CIA-23 | ItemPrice-1.0: |
| 08:30.33 | CIA-23 | - Price updates |
| 08:30.36 | Fisker-- | site doesn't load properly for me |
| 08:30.37 | Silviu- | Elkano i found InFlight a little more eye friendly, but i decided i don`t need it anymore when i got my epic bird :) |
| 08:30.40 | Punkie` | Search for what you want on wowhead |
| 08:30.45 | Punkie` | they've updated all the stats |
| 08:30.46 | Fisker-- | Punkie`! |
| 08:30.50 | Fisker-- | fuck them then |
| 08:30.55 | Punkie` | :o |
| 08:30.59 | Fisker-- | if you know what i mean |
| 08:31.02 | CIA-23 | 03bam * r34874 10ItemPrice-1.0/ItemPrice-1.0/ItemPrice-1.0.lua: |
| 08:31.02 | CIA-23 | ItemPrice-1.0: |
| 08:31.02 | CIA-23 | - Price updates |
| 08:31.10 | Punkie` | You mean in a good way, amirite? |
| 08:31.31 | Fisker-- | no i mean in a "Stop overwriting live data with test data you idiots"-way |
| 08:32.17 | Punkie` | shrug, use oldskool thotty and compare |
| 08:32.50 | Fisker-- | never |
| 08:34.04 | Fisker-- | i'm gonna sleep on some high voltage powerlines |
| 08:34.08 | Fisker-- | ttyl |
| 08:34.45 | CIA-23 | 03fenlis * r34875 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: |
| 08:34.45 | CIA-23 | ItemBonusLib : |
| 08:34.45 | CIA-23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.53 | Boubouille | [10:30:35] <Punkie`> they've updated all the stats |
| 08:34.56 | Boubouille | nop |
| 08:35.09 | Boubouille | and there is no way to check the build version |
| 08:35.59 | Fisker-- | ? |
| 08:37.40 | Boubouille | well, they didn't have all the upgrades, and you can't tell if the stats are from live or PTR |
| 08:37.48 | Boubouille | dont. |
| 08:37.49 | Boubouille | :/ |
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| 08:40.46 | CIA-23 | 03fenlis * r34876 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 08:40.46 | CIA-23 | StatLogicLib: |
| 08:40.46 | CIA-23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.19 | Fisker-- | You can check variables for build number |
| 08:42.04 | nymbia | its on the login screen too |
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| 08:42.15 | doktoreas | hi to all |
| 08:42.59 | doktoreas | hope not to be OT, i'd like to hear your opinion about a discussion with me and some other guild memeber |
| 08:43.24 | doktoreas | do you think it's "normal" that paladin have got an overhealing double of priest? |
| 08:43.57 | nymbia | no |
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| 08:47.25 | phyber | the priest should always have more overhealing. by the time a priests casting is finished, every other healer in the raid landed a heal and you may as well have not casted ;) |
| 08:47.38 | Diao | o_O |
| 08:48.03 | phyber | * Above statement may not contain actual facts. |
| 08:49.03 | phyber | I just got that glowing healy mace for my priest from the Ring of Blood. looks cool :) |
| 08:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Mogor's Anointing club? |
| 08:49.56 | phyber | that's the one. |
| 08:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | its a good mace |
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| 08:50.57 | Silviu- | Anyone still uses Buffalo ? ;) |
| 08:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Silviu-: yep |
| 08:51.17 | nymbia | yeah |
| 08:51.21 | phyber | I need something to replace my Robes of the Exalted soon. +68 healing from Baron Rivendare seems to be quite imba compared to stuff so far though ;) |
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| 08:51.47 | Silviu- | And can fix it on ptr ? ;) |
| 08:52.02 | NightHawkTheSane | um.. no. :( |
| 08:52.05 | Silviu- | ^^ |
| 08:52.41 | Silviu- | Just in case, http://ace.pastey.net/24783 |
| 08:53.17 | nymbia | oh yeah i meant to fix that |
| 08:53.43 | nymbia | seemed minor when i was poking around with it. |
| 08:55.22 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34877 10Quartz/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 08:55.22 | CIA-23 | Quartz: initial import. |
| 08:55.22 | CIA-23 | - Modular cast bar. |
| 08:55.22 | CIA-23 | - Latency and Global Cooldown modules are done, also going to have integrated debuff timers using the new API in 2.1. |
| 08:56.41 | Silviu- | Nice |
| 08:56.42 | Silviu- | ;) |
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| 08:57.19 | phyber | more cast bars! |
| 08:57.32 | nymbia | hell yeah |
| 08:57.43 | nymbia | most of the others arent maintained :( |
| 08:58.06 | Sais | modular even....and hot pluggable? ;P |
| 08:59.16 | phyber | can you make a module where we can clone the cast bar, so I can have one in each corner of the screen. also at many different angles so I can have them diagonal, etc. perhaps a square cast bar that I can hang around the minimap as a decoration and mini square casting bars that are on the button on the action bar for the spell that you just used. then a casting bar so you know when your real casting bar is about to popup. |
| 08:59.24 | phyber | casting bar! |
| 09:00.33 | NightHawkTheSane | casting bar? I 'ardly know 'er! |
| 09:01.04 | ckknight | saw that xkcd comic, did you? |
| 09:01.19 | NightHawkTheSane | couple hours ago, yeah |
| 09:01.25 | nymbia | ow, my eyes |
| 09:01.29 | NightHawkTheSane | what's great is that i do that in real life normally :D |
| 09:02.33 | phyber | http://www.xkcd.com/c221.html |
| 09:02.42 | phyber | still superior, and the basis of the wow loot system. |
| 09:02.58 | phyber | ;) |
| 09:03.29 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 09:05.23 | ckknight | some days I wonder |
| 09:06.58 | [Ammo] | morning girls |
| 09:08.04 | phyber | morning :) |
| 09:10.14 | ckknight | not now, of course |
| 09:12.00 | NightHawkTheSane | still in your skirt, then? :P |
| 09:13.15 | [Ammo] | coding night, probably his diaper |
| 09:13.45 | Punkie` | Ammo go to expo and buy me a beer hat kthx |
| 09:14.03 | [Ammo] | got your ticket to the BBQ yet? |
| 09:14.27 | Punkie` | no, why would i book now ? :P |
| 09:15.24 | Silviu- | ckknight any problems with Cartographer on PTR ? is not opening at all :) |
| 09:15.26 | [Ammo] | because then I'd be willing to go out of my way for you, right now you're just another grub |
| 09:15.42 | Punkie` | a what? :P |
| 09:16.11 | ckknight | Silviu-: no, it works for me, everything but instance maps |
| 09:16.44 | [Ammo] | a slimey little maggot |
| 09:16.53 | Silviu- | Odd |
| 09:17.19 | Punkie` | Ammo, you seem to be much nicer on IRC when you are horny :P |
| 09:17.35 | [Ammo] | I am |
| 09:17.38 | [Ammo] | it's a fact |
| 09:17.43 | [Ammo] | now get back under my desk |
| 09:17.47 | Punkie` | now you are mean :( |
| 09:18.38 | [Ammo] | I might need you later tonight punk :p |
| 09:18.52 | Punkie` | what for? |
| 09:19.14 | [Ammo] | some violent debugging |
| 09:19.27 | [Ammo] | getting complaints violation counts synced + unsynced data |
| 09:19.30 | [Ammo] | while it should not |
| 09:19.55 | Punkie` | k |
| 09:20.23 | Punkie` | after that can you work on making it look usuable? :> |
| 09:20.32 | Punkie` | usable** |
| 09:21.15 | [Ammo] | almost done with that, just not happy with the implementation :p |
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| 09:25.28 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34878 10Quartz/ (. Quartz-enUS.lua Quartz.lua Quartz.toc libs/): |
| 09:25.28 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 09:25.28 | CIA-23 | - Knew I was forgetting something; fix (finish implementing) spark. |
| 09:25.28 | CIA-23 | - Set some properties an such. |
| 09:28.39 | harldephin | wuff |
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| 09:34.19 | ckknight | well I guess we're acquainted, then |
| 09:34.27 | ckknight | interesting: http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1561/lol1rl.jpg |
| 09:34.37 | ckknight | it's Joana's dealy |
| 09:34.46 | Sole | nymbia: whats quartz? |
| 09:34.54 | Sole | nymbia: Toc description: Something or other. |
| 09:34.59 | Sole | tells me everything |
| 09:35.39 | Sole | ckknight: I was actually thinking of creating an addon like that |
| 09:35.57 | ckknight | seems interesting. |
| 09:36.20 | ckknight | I have both the Alliance and Horde guides, btw |
| 09:36.20 | ckknight | if you "need data" |
| 09:36.21 | ckknight | hint hint |
| 09:36.37 | Sole | I know |
| 09:36.41 | Sole | you sent me the horde one :) |
| 09:37.06 | NelsonM | hey, is there a standard for how an ace2 library (not addon) should package custom textures? |
| 09:37.10 | Sole | but why would I do that if it seems like someone has already done it? :P |
| 09:37.17 | nymbia | Sole: LOL i meant to change that |
| 09:37.21 | nymbia | Sole: it's a cast bar |
| 09:37.22 | harldephin | ew... window mode |
| 09:37.29 | harldephin | ckknight: guess so. |
| 09:38.16 | NelsonM | I'm using GraphLib and right now it requires you install the library like a separate addon. but the only wrinkle is texture paths |
| 09:38.32 | ckknight | NelsonM: SharedMediaLib? |
| 09:38.39 | ckknight | NelsonM: oh, um. |
| 09:38.50 | ckknight | NelsonM: just stick em in the folder, then use debugstack() to figure out your location. |
| 09:39.01 | ckknight | NelsonM: it's recommended to try to use Blizzard stuff if you can, though |
| 09:39.12 | NelsonM | ah, ok, so you can avoid hardcoding the texture path by doing introspection via debugstack? |
| 09:39.21 | ckknight | right. |
| 09:39.22 | ckknight | but it may not always work |
| 09:39.27 | nymbia | well for graphlib i can see needing some external textures |
| 09:39.34 | NelsonM | yeah, but graphlib isn't mine; I'm just a user. just trying to give the guy some advice. |
| 09:39.42 | NelsonM | the textures are really simple things, pieces to drawn lines and pie wedges out of |
| 09:40.17 | NelsonM | I'm new to Ace2, btw. It's freakin amazing! Nice work. |
| 09:42.06 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34879 10Quartz/Quartz.toc: |
| 09:42.06 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 09:42.06 | CIA-23 | - An actual toc description (a bad one) |
| 09:42.36 | ckknight | with long paths |
| 09:43.14 | ckknight | you're welcome, NelsonM |
| 09:43.27 | ckknight | let's see how I can hack GraphLib... |
| 09:43.43 | ckknight | is it in branches? |
| 09:43.51 | nymbia | trunk i think |
| 09:44.12 | ckknight | so it is |
| 09:44.41 | NelsonM | this is how it currently loads textures: T:SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\GraphLib\\textures\\line"); |
| 09:45.00 | NelsonM | I have no clue how to manage paths in the WoW client, but that looks a bit too hardcoded to me :-) |
| 09:45.23 | nymbia | indeed it is |
| 09:45.37 | nymbia | from an embedded library standpoint, anyway |
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| 09:45.56 | NelsonM | yeah. graphlib's pretty good, btw. fairly easy to get a pretty graph up and going |
| 09:46.02 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 09:46.09 | ckknight | will Cryect mind me dissecting his mod? |
| 09:46.53 | NelsonM | I dunno. I would be surprised if I were him. But Cryect has been helpful when I've emailed him. |
| 09:47.07 | NelsonM | I was just going to make a small mod to graphlib to make the textures embeddable, then submit the patch to him |
| 09:47.14 | NelsonM | and came here to ask if Ace2 had a standard way to do that |
| 09:47.30 | ckknight | yea, basically, move all the textures into the folder with the lua file. |
| 09:47.45 | ckknight | rename the Pie\1-128.tga to Pie1-128.tga, I'd say |
| 09:47.55 | NelsonM | and then how do you reference them to load them? |
| 09:48.29 | NelsonM | via the stack hack? |
| 09:48.45 | ckknight | then in the lua file, you want to do local path = debugstack():match("[O%.][n%.][s%.]\\(.+)\\Graph%-1%.0%.lua") |
| 09:48.51 | ckknight | which should work. |
| 09:48.54 | NelsonM | ok, thanks! |
| 09:49.08 | ckknight | then you should basically do: |
| 09:49.24 | ckknight | local line_path = "Interface\\AddOns\\" .. path .. "\\line" |
| 09:49.32 | ckknight | and theoretically, it'll work. |
| 09:49.42 | NelsonM | seems like that "find myself" function should be in some ace2 core library |
| 09:49.59 | ckknight | nah. |
| 09:50.01 | ckknight | use the hack |
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| 09:50.19 | ckknight | it's too crazy for most people |
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| 09:50.35 | NelsonM | while I'm here, my next task is to figure out how to create a proper window with some buttons, text, etc. I was going to use AceGui but I gather that's not Ace2? Did I miss some simple tutorial? |
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| 09:51.14 | nymbia | depends what you're wanting to do |
| 09:51.27 | NelsonM | pop up a window with a graph in it. but a nicely decorated window. |
| 09:51.32 | ckknight | lol, nymbia |
| 09:51.37 | ckknight | re: forum post |
| 09:51.41 | nymbia | ckknight: ;) |
| 09:51.46 | ckknight | nymbia: responded |
| 09:51.52 | ckknight | NelsonM: AceGUI is dead |
| 09:52.00 | nymbia | NelsonM: you'll want to just make the frames |
| 09:52.08 | nymbia | the 'raw' way |
| 09:52.08 | NelsonM | using stock blizzard api? |
| 09:52.19 | nymbia | yup |
| 09:52.35 | NelsonM | ok, that sets me in the right direction then |
| 09:52.42 | NelsonM | thank you :-) |
| 09:53.00 | NelsonM | (I'm writing a mod to graph how long it takes you to level up, and compare that to averages. silly thing, but I like tracking stats) |
| 09:53.20 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 09:53.23 | ckknight | math is fun! |
| 09:54.10 | Daemona | reminds me of a t-shirt my math prof wears from time to time |
| 09:54.19 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 09:54.43 | ckknight | it seems like my WoW time should run out soon |
| 09:54.51 | ckknight | if that happens, I will have to set up an ultimatum fund... |
| 09:55.02 | Saint-N | or start selling gold ;P |
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| 09:55.14 | ckknight | Saint-N: nah, I don't have gold |
| 09:55.27 | Saint-N | do the deal in copper |
| 09:55.33 | Saint-N | itll sound super impressive ;P |
| 09:55.41 | Daemona | i wonder why Next96 and Unrealii needs to be here with 2 clients from the same ip. |
| 09:58.33 | ckknight | ugh, yea, I have a week left |
| 09:58.47 | ckknight | I suppose I could push PitBull to wowinterface |
| 09:59.11 | ckknight | if anybody's figured out my pattern yet, I release my mods every 2 months when my game time's run out |
| 09:59.24 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34880 10Buffalo/Buffalo.lua: |
| 09:59.24 | CIA-23 | Buffalo: |
| 09:59.24 | CIA-23 | - Fix for 2.1 |
| 09:59.26 | nymbia | rofl |
| 09:59.44 | ckknight | this time'll be no different. |
| 10:00.20 | Elkano | at least you're getting some donations I expect :/ |
| 10:00.21 | Stephmw | so, when is it running out this time? |
| 10:00.40 | ckknight | May 14 |
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| 10:03.40 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34881 10StatStain/StatStain.lua: |
| 10:03.40 | CIA-23 | StatStain: |
| 10:03.40 | CIA-23 | - Don't mixin AceDebug (where did that come from?) |
| 10:10.20 | Neebler | just watched this awesome japanese movie called "battle royale" |
| 10:10.32 | Daemona | you pay your gametime by creating addons and pushing them to public pages with paypal buttons? sounds like a plan |
| 10:11.58 | nymbia | indeed |
| 10:12.05 | nymbia | better than a wow visa card, at least |
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| 10:12.10 | nymbia | ;) |
| 10:12.18 | Neebler | http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/868503/Battle_Royale_Xvid_DVDRip_English_Sub_EP |
| 10:12.23 | Neebler | I recommend it! |
| 10:14.18 | dRiN | me to, not to share illegal torrents in this room? :D |
| 10:18.59 | Fisker-- | nymbia! |
| 10:19.03 | Fisker-- | what's quartz? |
| 10:20.03 | ckknight | Daemona: yea, that's basically the plan |
| 10:20.10 | ckknight | Daemona: I also make a wowace topic about it |
| 10:20.16 | nymbia | Fisker--: cast bar |
| 10:20.25 | ckknight | usually someone comes around and sends me $30 |
| 10:20.50 | Daemona | i should share some of my addon idea's with you and ask for 10% ;) |
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| 10:23.03 | ckknight | ideas mean nothing, code is everything |
| 10:23.35 | ckknight | i.e. you can wish in one hand and shit in another and watch which one fills up first |
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| 10:28.00 | Hellis | attempt to index local 'text' (a string value)... would someone mind converting that to english? |
| 10:28.19 | Silviu- | nymbia Quart is working on live ? |
| 10:28.22 | Fisker-- | Well Blizzard doesn't comment on suggestions so they can't be accused of stealing ideas :P |
| 10:29.07 | nymbia | Hellis: something trying to treat a string as a table |
| 10:29.16 | nymbia | Silviu-: as far as i know |
| 10:29.21 | Hellis | how could i prevent that? |
| 10:29.26 | Silviu- | Oh, gonna try it then |
| 10:29.29 | nymbia | Hellis: fix it |
| 10:29.57 | Hellis | how? this is the line that comes up with that error: if not (text:find("LOL")) then |
| 10:30.20 | nymbia | that doesnt make sense |
| 10:30.43 | nymbia | running an old version of wow or something? |
| 10:30.45 | Hellis | someone told me that's how i did it but i didn't think so |
| 10:30.49 | Hellis | i am |
| 10:30.57 | Silviu- | Hmm my server is still down o.O |
| 10:30.58 | nymbia | that explains it |
| 10:31.38 | ckknight | Hellis: you're running on lua 5.0 |
| 10:31.39 | nymbia | use string.find(text, 'LOL') |
| 10:31.53 | ckknight | Hellis: because you're using a private server that's running 1.12 |
| 10:32.04 | Hellis | what about the rest of the if statment? |
| 10:32.14 | Hellis | i thought it might be ~=nil |
| 10:32.15 | nymbia | i'm suprised private servers arent on 2.0 yet. |
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| 10:32.20 | ckknight | same |
| 10:32.22 | Hellis | many are |
| 10:32.36 | ckknight | why not you? |
| 10:32.48 | ckknight | and why be on a private server at all? |
| 10:32.52 | ckknight | seems like too much hassle |
| 10:33.17 | Hellis | i just want to check out addon programming and i didn't want to go to blizzard and pay just to make an addon lol |
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| 10:33.58 | ckknight | but why? |
| 10:34.36 | Hellis | i don't play wow, i just want to learn to program addons... my friend has made an addon and i just want to see how difficult it is |
| 10:34.46 | Sole | then use his account |
| 10:34.50 | Sole | for testing |
| 10:35.02 | Sole | you cant replicate reliable conditions on a private server |
| 10:35.04 | Sole | theyre too buggy |
| 10:35.07 | Hellis | lol |
| 10:35.16 | nymbia | well, client-side conditions should be decent |
| 10:35.20 | nymbia | but events might be.. off. |
| 10:35.22 | Sole | unless its an official one like the tournament servers for the 3v3 tourny |
| 10:35.42 | Sole | I played on private servers for a few hours |
| 10:35.43 | Hellis | most of the events work so far without a problem |
| 10:35.45 | Sole | the popular ones |
| 10:35.50 | Sole | they were all shit |
| 10:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe this is a silly question, but if you dont want to play the game, whats the point of trying to write a mod for it? |
| 10:36.44 | Sole | Neebler: how good is battle royale? |
| 10:36.56 | Sole | Neebler: whats it about? |
| 10:36.59 | Sole | nymbia: I need halp |
| 10:37.12 | Sole | nymbia: Ive been slacking on coding gladiator |
| 10:37.18 | Sole | nymbia: should finiish it up and push for a release |
| 10:37.21 | Hellis | still getting the attempt to index local 'text' (a string value) |
| 10:37.26 | Sole | but Im too busy leveling a sham |
| 10:38.02 | Sole | nymbia: Im onto adding the feature to predict an opposing team based on the rating/rank of the first person you see |
| 10:38.09 | Sole | nymbia: Ive written the function |
| 10:38.14 | Sole | nymbia: I just dunno how to present it |
| 10:39.05 | Hellis | there we go... someone gave me the wrong code to convert a string to uppercase |
| 10:39.23 | nymbia | Sole: hrm.. maybe on the last line, just a list of classes of their other members |
| 10:39.41 | nymbia | Hellis: i'm sure it was right for 2.0 clients |
| 10:39.52 | Hellis | yea probably was |
| 10:40.13 | Hellis | works kinda sorta lol |
| 10:40.52 | Hellis | so does this code convert a variable called text to all uppercase? string.upper(text) |
| 10:41.08 | Sole | nymbia: thats a nice idea |
| 10:41.35 | Sole | nymbia: I was thinking of a new frame, but that would be too much info and too much overhead |
| 10:42.06 | nymbia | yeah. i'm worried enough about the overhead of that iteration, heh ;) |
| 10:42.25 | Sole | hehe |
| 10:42.30 | Sole | good thing its optional ^_^ |
| 10:42.35 | nymbia | Sole: oh by the way, does it recieve ArenaMaster comm messages at the momet? |
| 10:42.37 | Elkano | request: addon replying the boss status on whispers for bigwigs |
| 10:42.42 | nymbia | s/momet/moment/ |
| 10:42.53 | Sole | nymbia: yap |
| 10:43.11 | Sole | nymbia: and AddUnit messages from a few other arena addons |
| 10:43.19 | Sole | nymbia: no health messages though |
| 10:43.30 | Sole | nymbia: no need really, Gladiator scans partyNtarget units |
| 10:44.08 | Daemona | Elkano as you are at it, add auto-dnd with boss name on entering combat with the boss ;) |
| 10:44.13 | nymbia | Sole: it wasn't displaying the units sometimes when ArenaMaster was (when i was invisible) |
| 10:44.21 | Sole | purl: hmmrf |
| 10:44.33 | Sole | nymbia: well SHIT |
| 10:44.41 | nymbia | hehe |
| 10:44.50 | nymbia | i can do some debugging on it |
| 10:44.51 | Sole | seems to work fine for me atm |
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| 10:44.55 | Sole | yeah would be nice |
| 10:44.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Elkano: I'd rater have an addon telling people to "Fuck off, I'm trying to kill a boss". ;) |
| 10:45.01 | Sole | I give permission to clean up my code too |
| 10:45.08 | Sole | Im trying to improve my coding techniques |
| 10:45.12 | nymbia | okie :) |
| 10:45.15 | Sole | Im still learning :) |
| 10:45.34 | nymbia | i've got too much alcohol in me right now to be cleaning up anything |
| 10:45.37 | Daemona | Sole, the day you stopped learning, you died. :X |
| 10:45.41 | nymbia | but i'll take a look :) |
| 10:46.17 | Sole | lol |
| 10:47.17 | Elkano | well, it's in "deadly boss mods" and someone asked me if bigwigs has the same |
| 10:48.23 | Daemona | i dont mind, i would popup my W.I.M. even the though incombat hide is active once i reply i guess... would bother me more than a blinking fubar icon |
| 10:48.39 | [Ammo] | functionality like that will not be in the bigwigs core |
| 10:48.50 | Hellis | nymbia, is this how i convert a variable to all uppercase? string.upper(text); |
| 10:48.51 | [Ammo] | it's easy as pie to makea standalone 'STFU I'm fightinga boss' dadon |
| 10:49.12 | Daemona | thats why Elkano mentioned "addon to bigwigs" like bigwigs_leavemealone |
| 10:49.21 | nymbia | Hellis: yup. text:upper() is valid in current wow, but not 1.12 |
| 10:49.42 | krka | Hellis: no, that's how you create a new string, with its content being the upper case form of another strings |
| 10:52.46 | Hellis | hey guys, thanks so much, i really appreciate it |
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| 11:21.55 | Fisker-- | 8,10:D13,3:D14,8:D0,15:D11,4:D15,16:D0,14:D16,14:D12,13:D7,0:D7,1:D4,12:D13,14:D8,5:D16,16:D13,12:D6,3:D8,14:D9,6:D12,4:D5,16:D |
| 11:21.57 | Fisker-- | fuck |
| 11:22.03 | Fisker-- | sorry :O |
| 11:22.26 | nymbia | TERRIBLE Fisker- |
| 11:22.31 | Fisker-- | i know :( |
| 11:22.43 | Fisker-- | meant to refresh a site and i didn't notice i was in mirc |
| 11:22.50 | Fisker-- | and apparently i bound a script to F5 |
| 11:22.52 | Fisker-- | :( |
| 11:23.40 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.55 | Fisker-- | it's just /F5 in mirc :P |
| 11:23.59 | Saint-N | heh |
| 11:24.14 | Saint-N | oh then f5 is already defined for ya if yer in mirc ;P |
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| 11:25.43 | Sais | /alias F5 <stuff> | ;; actually ;D |
| 11:25.54 | Sais | (from the command line) |
| 11:26.04 | Fisker-- | yeah |
| 11:26.12 | Fisker-- | mirc has alias.ini or so though |
| 11:26.22 | Sais | true |
| 11:26.35 | Sais | I seldom use that, except through the /alias command |
| 11:26.55 | Sais | everything else goes in remote files. |
| 11:27.00 | Sais | but anyway... |
| 11:27.03 | Sais | *lunch* |
| 11:27.10 | Fisker-- | bye!1 |
| 11:27.43 | Sole | night |
| 11:29.00 | Saint-N | and just as he suspected, someone slipped him the trick spoon with the concave side reversed. |
| 11:30.59 | Saint-N | http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/31827/Your_Mother.html |
| 11:31.11 | Saint-N | http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/35132/Girlfriend.html |
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| 11:39.35 | [Ammo] | the basics work yay: http://connected.dnd.utwente.nl/~wouter/violation.jpg |
| 11:40.10 | Fisker-- | netherlands? |
| 11:40.13 | Fisker-- | you disappoint me |
| 11:40.19 | Fisker-- | nice btw |
| 11:40.48 | Mikma | u sux |
| 11:41.31 | Fisker-- | yeah [Ammo] (that wasn't directed at me omg i can't hear you lalalla) |
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| 11:48.04 | Daemona | goddamn... whats all that about with the orange titlebar? |
| 11:49.08 | phyber | the not-colour-blind designers are on holiday. |
| 11:51.43 | phyber | so, is it difficult and/or time consuming to make a PitBull layout? I was thinking of making PerfectRaid and sRaidFrames layouts. |
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| 11:55.58 | Silviu- | [Ammo] this is how Violation looks now? |
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| 12:01.34 | Punkie` | Silviu-: I think it's how it will look soon |
| 12:02.03 | Punkie` | Me and Ammo will be testing it tonight probably |
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| 12:10.31 | ag` | Punkie`: have you put any development into a module that allows tracking of other party members health, if they do not use violation? |
| 12:10.58 | ag` | It is possible through parser3.0 (though I am not sure if it correctly handles all damage events) |
| 12:11.59 | [Ammo] | ag`: i did that |
| 12:12.52 | [Ammo] | and it showed same values as swstats |
| 12:13.04 | [Ammo] | ag`: I reworked all modules |
| 12:13.07 | [Ammo] | update your violation :p |
| 12:13.28 | [Ammo] | working on a bar gui atm, and need to figure out why it would add nonsync and sync data |
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| 12:20.49 | ag` | [Ammo]: very cool, thanks |
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| 12:21.05 | ag` | [Ammo]: and you didn't have to add any new events to parser? |
| 12:21.10 | [Ammo] | nope |
| 12:21.25 | [Ammo] | I just had to do some semiintelligent stuff for HPS and DPS |
| 12:21.33 | ag` | [Ammo]: I added some, had trouble with spell damage from party members not working |
| 12:21.55 | ag` | what about pet damage though |
| 12:21.56 | [Ammo] | well I tested and it showed the same data as swsstats for over 400k damage done |
| 12:22.01 | [Ammo] | pet damage works as well |
| 12:22.12 | ag` | it goes to the owners damage count? |
| 12:22.16 | [Ammo] | no |
| 12:22.26 | [Ammo] | goes into it's own little bar atm |
| 12:22.37 | ag` | ok |
| 12:22.46 | [Ammo] | I need to add toggles to each module still |
| 12:22.53 | [Ammo] | 'use only sync'd data' |
| 12:23.26 | ag` | how did you add damage from other party members, in the damage module or as a seperate module? |
| 12:23.33 | [Ammo] | it's in every module |
| 12:24.16 | [Ammo] | also all modules are now defaulting to 'tracking on' |
| 12:24.32 | [Ammo] | so you can actually get some data from other violation users even though they don't show the data themselves |
| 12:24.44 | ag` | yeah |
| 12:24.46 | [Ammo] | can still toggle em off |
| 12:24.48 | [Ammo] | ofcourse |
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| 12:25.20 | ag` | vharr wanted party tracking to be in seperate modules |
| 12:25.30 | [Ammo] | I know |
| 12:25.35 | [Ammo] | I ignored him and built it this way |
| 12:25.47 | [Ammo] | just need to add that 'sync only' toggle |
| 12:25.51 | [Ammo] | and he's happy :p |
| 12:26.29 | ag` | yeah, started out doing a separate module, which worked some, but the core needed some changes |
| 12:26.42 | ag` | so I pulled it again because I never got started |
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| 12:26.59 | [Ammo] | well this seems to work atm |
| 12:27.07 | [Ammo] | apart from the sync + nonsync bug |
| 12:27.47 | ag` | yeah, the reason I am asking is because I remember me experiencing some melee damage not getting tracked |
| 12:27.57 | [Ammo] | hmm |
| 12:28.10 | ag` | I thought it was parsers fault perhaps |
| 12:28.13 | ag` | was in a KZ raid |
| 12:28.25 | [Ammo] | might be |
| 12:28.36 | ag` | I should try it out again |
| 12:28.56 | ag` | it was just pretty wierd, all meleers had pretty low damage done |
| 12:29.07 | [Ammo] | if it's missing some data then we should fix parser up |
| 12:29.16 | [Ammo] | parser needs 'begins to cast' etc tracking too |
| 12:29.25 | ag` | yeah |
| 12:29.30 | [Ammo] | need to convert witchhunt to it |
| 12:29.34 | ag` | problem with parser3 is how it registers everything |
| 12:29.36 | [Ammo] | since the parser filtering system is excellent |
| 12:29.48 | ag` | I think |
| 12:30.07 | ag` | I should go turn on my worky |
| 12:30.25 | [Ammo] | I have a meeting with a customer |
| 12:30.30 | [Ammo] | so ~ |
| 12:31.03 | ag` | anyway I'll go check out violation and do some testing too :) |
| 12:31.22 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 12:31.32 | [Ammo] | maybe you can figure out why sync'd people get some nonsync'd data added too |
| 12:32.18 | ag` | what's nonsynced data? |
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| 12:34.56 | [Ammo] | data that is collected from parser and not from a broadcast |
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| 12:35.25 | [Ammo] | somehow the UserViolation table is sometimes incorrect somewhere mid fight |
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| 12:36.37 | [Ammo] | so you get data from parser added and after that someone sends their own data via a broadcast so that person shows more damage done than they actually did |
| 12:36.49 | [Ammo] | anyway, I gotta run |
| 12:36.55 | Chompers | you been working on Violation Ag ? |
| 12:39.39 | ag` | not that much, I did some of the base structure, but vharr did most |
| 12:39.48 | ag` | made some fixed to parser3 |
| 12:40.05 | yacoob | raaaargh. |
| 12:40.19 | yacoob | ...thank you, that was my helpful comment about the day here. |
| 12:41.51 | chutwig | gurrrrrrg |
| 12:42.00 | chutwig | would also have been an acceptable analysis |
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| 12:45.33 | yacoob | chutwig, but! I'm having section meeting ahead of me! Blood will be spilt! Bodies will rot under walls of the meeting room! |
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| 12:45.50 | yacoob | I just need to make sure I'll be at the proper side of the sword. |
| 12:45.57 | chutwig | yacoob: songs will be sung about this day |
| 12:46.14 | yacoob | "Brave, brave Sir Robin, he was not afraid to die..." |
| 12:46.16 | yacoob | ...ahem |
| 12:46.31 | yacoob | come to think of it, I have a foam sword here at my workplace. Time to use it. |
| 12:47.19 | Elkano | "What's your favourite colour?" |
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| 12:57.04 | doktoreas | is there an addon that will update the heal points of a target based on what other player are casting to him? |
| 12:59.01 | sbu | huh? |
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| 13:00.40 | doktoreas | somthing that update the life points based on what other player are casting |
| 13:01.44 | todd` | ora has heal tracking, I don't think it can update the HP |
| 13:02.14 | todd` | and I think there's an addon for pitbull that estimates the HP after the heal |
| 13:02.25 | todd` | but only for local heals |
| 13:03.48 | doktoreas | todd what do you mean by "healing tracking" sorry |
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| 13:09.02 | todd` | I mean exactly what you are asking for |
| 13:10.04 | doktoreas | todd`: thank you |
| 13:10.04 | doktoreas | i'll check it out |
| 13:11.33 | todd` | I don't think it shows the amount healed, but who somebody is already healing |
| 13:11.40 | todd` | and I don't know if specific raid frames are required |
| 13:11.56 | todd` | mages don't heal too often :P |
| 13:13.51 | kenlyric | http://files.wowace.com/PitBull_InteractLines/ |
| 13:13.56 | kenlyric | that might provide what you want. |
| 13:14.28 | kenlyric | I haven't been brave enough to test pitbull to seee how it works... and I don't use normal unit frames during a raid, so it wouldn't be much use there anyway. |
| 13:16.47 | chutwig | there's no addon that will communicate with other healers' addons to determine who's healing who at any given time, though |
| 13:17.23 | chutwig | i think what he wants is something that would send a notification that says "[healer] has begun [heal] on [target]" and then it would be indicated on the frames somewhere |
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| 13:26.48 | Funkeh` | hey |
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| 13:28.06 | Roartindon | chutwig: Yes, there is.. Grid does it |
| 13:28.23 | chutwig | Roartindon: k |
| 13:28.44 | Roartindon | And it has a CastCommLib that communicates heal informatino |
| 13:30.27 | kenlyric | gird doesn't do it. |
| 13:30.32 | kenlyric | it just shows heal incoming. |
| 13:30.38 | kenlyric | not by whom or what. |
| 13:30.50 | Roartindon | but it's communicating the information |
| 13:30.56 | kenlyric | not well. |
| 13:31.15 | kenlyric | it's better than nothing, but connecting lines would be awesome. |
| 13:31.27 | Roartindon | yeah, it's not displaying as much infomration as it's dealing with internally |
| 13:31.33 | kenlyric | or even an inc heal counter, so i kno if 1 person is healing him or 5 |
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| 13:34.49 | Funkeh` | hey vhaarr |
| 13:35.35 | Stephmw | kenlyric: how about expanding on the idea: hollow LineCastBar between caster and target that fills up along with the casting time? |
| 13:36.25 | Stephmw | kenlyric: how you'd arrange the raid frames to make that easy to understand with multiple healers is left as an exercise in UI design.. |
| 13:36.29 | kenlyric | somebody suggested to me that such a mod, while workable, would probably be a horrid mess in a large raid. |
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| 13:37.17 | Stephmw | I agree with the assessment - an automatic laying out would blow |
| 13:37.45 | Stephmw | but I could see it working in a limited number of raid setups |
| 13:37.52 | Loki|muh | there is always one line per healer (if you don't count hots) |
| 13:38.16 | Loki|muh | so I guess there would only be 7 lines in the ui |
| 13:38.26 | Loki|muh | (maybe little more, according to your lineup) |
| 13:38.31 | Stephmw | Loki|muh: nah, you can add proximity info and have chain heal |
| 13:38.40 | Roartindon | and PoH |
| 13:38.49 | Loki|muh | uh okay |
| 13:39.06 | Roartindon | And more than one unit frame can reference the same unit |
| 13:39.16 | Roartindon | ie. your target could be the same as party2 could be the same as raid4target |
| 13:39.40 | Stephmw | Roartindon: yeah, I'd keep it strictly to root frames, rather than targets |
| 13:40.00 | Stephmw | Roartindon: it's enough of a mess with interaction lines in pitbull ;) |
| 13:40.10 | Roartindon | heh.. I tried interaction lines briefly |
| 13:40.29 | Roartindon | Then removed it because it was making lines go everywhere with party targets and party pets :) |
| 13:40.49 | kenlyric | oh dear god |
| 13:40.57 | Stephmw | yes? |
| 13:40.57 | kenlyric | my brain just shut down thinking of it ;) |
| 13:42.10 | Stephmw | kenlyric: a simplified version could work: list of [healer] ==== [target], with the line being a castbar |
| 13:42.23 | Stephmw | kenlyric: strictly 1:1 |
| 13:46.19 | todd` | but then before deciding to heal someone you have to spend about a second looking through the list seeing if they're being healed, maybe by whom and which spell, right? |
| 13:47.57 | Stephmw | yeah. I guess we'd need some usecases to sort out what would work ;-) |
| 13:48.27 | kenlyric | mods really should initialize all their variables. |
| 13:48.45 | kenlyric | so that when the dev changes a default option, that it doesn't change for everyone. |
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| 13:54.53 | sylvanaar | kenlyric then there no purpose for defaults, they are used to save memory by not writing default data over and over. I had to change the meaning of the variable in prat which decides if a module is on or off. that was a pita |
| 13:55.55 | kenlyric | I thought the purpose of defaults was so that I didn't have to change settings when the most obvious one should already be chosen :) |
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| 13:59.50 | sylvanaar | yes, so they optimized on that, and only store settings you actually make |
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| 14:00.57 | Elkano | sylvanaar, PratPlugin requires Prat, doesn't it? |
| 14:01.15 | sylvanaar | in order to do anything yes |
| 14:01.23 | Elkano | thought so :/ |
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| 14:02.53 | Elkano | I was thinking about writing an addon that would reply boss status to whispers while in a fight but that would require me to hook chat stuff. :/ so I'll most likely have to hook myself... |
| 14:03.25 | vhaarr | just hook ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler? |
| 14:04.33 | Silviu- | vhaarr any ideeas why SCM adds an number after each message i send ? on PTR i mean :) |
| 14:04.44 | vhaarr | Silviu-: are you sure that's SCM? |
| 14:04.48 | vhaarr | I've seen it as well |
| 14:04.54 | vhaarr | thought it was some blizzard thing |
| 14:05.09 | Silviu- | Oh don`t know did not try to disable it |
| 14:05.11 | Silviu- | ;) |
| 14:05.20 | Silviu- | I thought is SCM :) |
| 14:06.38 | Kilroo | Shadowcraft Mage? |
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| 14:07.09 | Elkano | simple chat mods? |
| 14:07.12 | Silviu- | Yep |
| 14:08.22 | CIA-23 | 03rabbit * r34882 10XRS/ (4 files): XRS: Cleanup, still *lots* of stuff to do, someone please dive in. |
| 14:08.35 | sylvanaar | Elkano it requires prat - but not its modules. |
| 14:10.12 | moonsorrow | oh you finally uploaded it vhaarr :) |
| 14:10.19 | CIA-23 | 03rabbit * r34883 10XRS/XRS.lua: XRS: Remove debug code. |
| 14:10.19 | vhaarr | meh |
| 14:10.28 | vhaarr | moonsorrow: I probably broke tons of stuff |
| 14:10.38 | vhaarr | and it's not done, the code really, really needs work |
| 14:10.55 | moonsorrow | sure :) |
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| 14:11.17 | Saroz_ | wtf is XRS again |
| 14:11.20 | Saroz_ | raid status? |
| 14:11.23 | Mikk | yes |
| 14:11.25 | Saroz_ | k |
| 14:11.30 | Saroz_ | abandoned? |
| 14:11.37 | Funkeh` | no? |
| 14:11.44 | Saroz_ | since vhaarr is digging in |
| 14:11.51 | vhaarr | pretty much |
| 14:11.52 | Funkeh` | been using it ages |
| 14:11.56 | vhaarr | moonsorrow hasn't touched it in ages |
| 14:11.59 | Saroz_ | ah |
| 14:12.23 | moonsorrow | yeah, because I started on a complete new version, but is far from ready yet |
| 14:12.31 | Daemona | ^^ |
| 14:12.47 | Mikk | why? :S |
| 14:13.31 | Mikk | On an unrelated note: There are many many software projects where devs have decided to rebuild from scratch because the old one got "patchy". It's almost never the right idea :> |
| 14:14.36 | moonsorrow | to rebuild from scratch? |
| 14:14.38 | Megalon | well, the first idea of implementation is not always the best |
| 14:14.42 | Mikk | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html <-- good line of argumentation |
| 14:14.46 | sylvanaar | rewriting from scratch generally isnt |
| 14:15.30 | Daemona | dunno what you might want to improve for XRS? |
| 14:15.31 | Ordog | actually if you start seeing old versions as prototypes, starting from scratch can save a lot of time |
| 14:15.42 | moonsorrow | the current xrs version on the svn is already a complete rewrite |
| 14:15.52 | Kilroo | Rewriting from scratch isn't necessarily a good idea, but in a lot of cases, rewriting from "Well, we started out this way, but what we were really trying to do works better like this" often is. |
| 14:15.53 | moonsorrow | there was a first one which was totally different |
| 14:16.09 | vhaarr | joel, heh |
| 14:16.14 | vhaarr | that guy says lots of things |
| 14:17.00 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr: did you include my UnitAFK() branch in the cleanup? |
| 14:17.05 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: no |
| 14:17.59 | sylvanaar | refactoring vs rewriting |
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| 14:18.38 | Kilroo | Dammit, I can't gind my butt. |
| 14:18.41 | Kilroo | Oh. |
| 14:18.47 | Kilroo | Never mind, I was sitting on it. |
| 14:19.40 | Kilroo | Hey, are any of you people from the ZOMG Infinibar roxx0rz contingent? |
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| 14:24.31 | Ordog | The old mantra build one to throw away is dangerous when applied to large scale commercial applications. <- agreed |
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| 14:27.11 | sylvanaar | but people arent here to support software, they are here to write it mostly - and as a recreational activity |
| 14:27.28 | Ordog | if you look at the work you actually do when "starting from scratch" theres a lot of copy paste of base functions into a new architecture (at least thats it for me) right? |
| 14:27.42 | Mikk | ~SCM |
| 14:28.26 | Mikk | Meh =P |
| 14:28.40 | Kilroo | Ordog: Not in the case where I was doing it. Either time. |
| 14:28.49 | vhaarr | purl, scm is SimpleChatMods, a suite of crappy chat addons bundled as one, available on wowace.com |
| 14:28.52 | purl | vhaarr: okay |
| 14:28.57 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 14:29.00 | Ordog | well im lazy ;P |
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| 14:29.55 | Stephmw | purl, kancho is <action> teleports silently behind <target>, crouches and yells 'A thousand years of pain!' |
| 14:29.57 | purl | Stephmw: i already had it that way |
| 14:30.11 | vhaarr | ~sparta |
| 14:30.15 | purl | 3D real-time opengl physical modeling package with free source. URL: http://www.cse.psu.edu/~mdl/sparta/ |
| 14:30.40 | vhaarr | bah |
| 14:30.40 | Ordog | ~madness |
| 14:30.43 | purl | Madness screams in the eyes of the lord. |
| 14:30.43 | Stephmw | ~kancho kenlyric |
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| 14:30.46 | Kilroo | The first time we were going from the standard method to generating web pages on the fly, the second time we were going from a confusing and inefficient way of doing that to a much better one. |
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| 14:31.27 | Mikk | Aight.. I'll bring this up again in case someone's around that's interested this time: I've started building a minimalistic "ChatHookLib" to have somewhere where addons can hook in to suppress/modify messages, and where chatframes can register for seeing the results rather than registering for chat events on their own. |
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| 14:31.51 | Mikk | Suppressing mods would be e.g. SpamSentry, CraftList ... |
| 14:31.59 | vhaarr | Mikk: it seems CTL doesn't type-check incoming 'target' arguments |
| 14:32.25 | vhaarr | someone posted an error on the forums where CTL was trying to concat the argument as a string, but someone had passed in a table |
| 14:32.40 | Mikk | Chatframes would include stuff such as WhisperFu, Cellular ... |
| 14:32.40 | vhaarr | not sure if you should type-check or not, after all it's the other addons fault |
| 14:33.30 | Mikk | mmm good question vhaarr... it'd result in an error either way |
| 14:33.38 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 14:33.46 | Mikk | one thing I've been wondering though is if I should check the length of the string passed in |
| 14:33.55 | Mikk | since pushing in too long strings results in disconnect |
| 14:34.03 | Mikk | and then CTL gets blamed for not throttling enough |
| 14:34.35 | Mikk | meh. i'll do both. |
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| 14:35.28 | CIA-23 | 03rabbit * r34884 10FuBar/FuBar.lua: FuBar: Removed some old Ace1 code. |
| 14:36.37 | vhaarr | ~seen Magtheridon |
| 14:37.03 | purl | vhaarr: i haven't seen 'magtheridon' |
| 14:37.03 | vhaarr | my server is down >< |
| 14:37.03 | kebinusan | antidepressants might help |
| 14:38.14 | evl | vhaarr: european? |
| 14:38.20 | vhaarr | evl: yes |
| 14:38.24 | evl | vhaarr: ally? |
| 14:38.27 | vhaarr | yes |
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| 14:38.45 | evl | we're a pretty large group of norwegians and danes going to migrate there soon |
| 14:38.50 | kebinusan | One thing I wish XRS could do is filter out specific people, I hate seeing healer mana down 25% cause our shadow priest doesnt know how to drink between pulls |
| 14:38.52 | vhaarr | Niflheim? |
| 14:39.00 | evl | no, from Lightning's Blade |
| 14:39.04 | vhaarr | okay |
| 14:39.10 | vhaarr | evl: How many? |
| 14:39.14 | evl | around 6-7 |
| 14:39.18 | vhaarr | sweet |
| 14:39.21 | evl | very skilled, experience since US beta |
| 14:39.22 | vhaarr | evl: Raiding experience? |
| 14:39.24 | Mikk | kebinusan: and feral druids that don't care as long as they have enough mana to switch forms |
| 14:39.25 | vhaarr | aha |
| 14:39.33 | kebinusan | yeah mikk exactly |
| 14:39.39 | vhaarr | evl: Well, our guild is looking for ~10 members to fill our ranks so we can start doing 25man content. |
| 14:39.44 | sylvanaar | Mikk you should try to avoid the frames altogether, and just be a chat event proxy |
| 14:39.50 | evl | vhaarr: I'll get back to you :D |
| 14:39.59 | vhaarr | evl: We have all been playing since retail release and we cleared Karazhan before the big guilds on our server. |
| 14:40.07 | evl | so have we + gruul |
| 14:40.12 | vhaarr | evl: We haven't done *any* 25man though, since we don't have people. |
| 14:40.16 | Mikk | sylvanaar: erm.. correct. that's what i'm doing.. except i do need to have a framehandle to register events to |
| 14:40.24 | kenlyric | vhaarr: sigh... us too. |
| 14:40.30 | vhaarr | :/ |
| 14:40.38 | kenlyric | nearly every recruit turns out to be a dud, too. |
| 14:40.39 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 14:40.42 | sylvanaar | just a generic frame though |
| 14:40.47 | vhaarr | We only recruit people with pre-TBC raiding experience. |
| 14:40.59 | Mikk | sylvanaar: aye, it only needs to be something that can accept events |
| 14:41.00 | kenlyric | now we're suffering through skilling up and gear up warrior alts just so we ahve the tanks for karazhan. |
| 14:41.19 | kenlyric | vhaarr: yeah, those people are duds :) |
| 14:41.23 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 14:41.24 | evl | vhaarr: off the top of my head: Rogue (yours truly), Feral, Mage, Warrior, Warlock, Tree, Holy pala, Hunter |
| 14:41.35 | vhaarr | evl: that's excellent |
| 14:41.38 | Gngsk | tree! |
| 14:41.42 | Mikk | sylvanaar: function ChatHookLib:RegisterListener(frame, event, func) |
| 14:41.44 | evl | it sucks though :D |
| 14:41.47 | evl | tree i mean |
| 14:41.52 | evl | atleast on prince, utter failure without big heals |
| 14:41.56 | Gngsk | walking totem |
| 14:42.06 | sylvanaar | but whats the frame |
| 14:42.15 | Mikk | any frame |
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| 14:42.29 | sylvanaar | you should just have your own no? |
| 14:42.36 | Mikk | in an embeddable lib? o.O |
| 14:42.58 | sylvanaar | why not? |
| 14:43.25 | evl | vhaarr: We're probably waiting a bit thought since most peeps have vacation/exams/beer in the park but I'll definetly get back to us, our biggest concern so far has been finding a guild with mature players without any l2p issues that can just get the fuck at it and do some god damn content |
| 14:43.38 | vhaarr | evl: good |
| 14:43.52 | evl | vhaarr: most are 25 years + |
| 14:44.14 | vhaarr | evl: well, you're welcome to join us |
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| 14:44.44 | kenlyric | evl: you mean a place where the dps go on and on and on about the damage they're doing during a boss fight? |
| 14:45.38 | Mikk | sylvanaar: well.. it might work also.. there's one (slight) downside to it though, and that's statting time consumed in addons |
| 14:45.40 | kenlyric | just want to find people who don't treat raiding like the thing they'll come and do when they absolutely nothing else to do. |
| 14:45.46 | evl | let me give you a more concrete example: last prince try we have 3 healers, 1 knows how to play, our tank dies in phase 2 when last stand + nightmare seed is up, he has fucking 21k hp and goes 100% -> 0% without a single heal |
| 14:46.06 | evl | that makes me emo, i don't have the heart for that kind of l2p bullshit in my old age :P |
| 14:46.07 | Mikk | suddenly, the one unfortunate addon that loaded chathooklib first will be blamed for everything that happens in all chat addons |
| 14:46.36 | kenlyric | evl: the only time that's happened to us, the tank had 13k health and we were trying to get away from a bad infernal drop. |
| 14:46.43 | Silviu- | ~seen nymbia |
| 14:47.05 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@71-218-137-239.hlrn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3h 24m 39s ago, saying: 'TERRIBLE Fisker-'. |
| 14:47.06 | evl | we had no infernal in sight |
| 14:47.06 | kenlyric | dear lord |
| 14:47.06 | kenlyric | were they asleep? |
| 14:47.06 | evl | I have no idea, I'm DPS |
| 14:47.06 | evl | so I just vented in vent :P |
| 14:47.10 | kenlyric | I burn through everything I have in phase 2. |
| 14:47.25 | kenlyric | I better be oom if I'm not healing :) |
| 14:47.59 | Gngsk | yes, because a priest who isn't oom or spamming gheal doesn't know how to play |
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| 14:48.35 | evl | I don't get new priests who have ebeyed |
| 14:48.40 | evl | bayed, it's so simple to see |
| 14:48.44 | sylvanaar | yes, i think that in the case of a proxy it should have a clear identity (not coincidentally this is why i have kept prat as a freestanding addon) |
| 14:48.53 | evl | just keep a greater heal running constantly, no matter hwat |
| 14:49.03 | evl | it's the simplest thing since Slice 'n Dice for rogues |
| 14:50.42 | kebinusan | Actually I cant stand priests who stack + healing to insane amounts and have like 250 spirit |
| 14:51.04 | evl | same as I can't stand rogues with 1800+ AP and 56 hit |
| 14:51.20 | kebinusan | evl yeah |
| 14:51.58 | kebinusan | we have a rogue in our guild with 300 hit rating |
| 14:52.12 | kebinusan | he's a bit crazy |
| 14:52.14 | kenlyric | Gngsk: lol |
| 14:52.37 | evl | kebinusan: i have 262 and 1600 AP |
| 14:52.38 | kenlyric | but yeah, during prince phase 2, i very rarely come of my heal... can't really afford to. |
| 14:52.49 | kenlyric | what % is 262? |
| 14:52.59 | evl | 17% or zso |
| 14:53.45 | evl | speaking of rogue, time to complete my pitbull combo points patch v2! |
| 14:53.55 | Stephmw | likewise with mages and no stamina... wtf is 12k mana if you can't survive a stray hit? |
| 14:54.04 | undu | evl: What does it include? |
| 14:54.04 | evl | haha, yeah,m i love that |
| 14:54.06 | kenlyric | kebinusan: is +heal some sort of tstat? |
| 14:54.13 | evl | priests with 5000 hp in heroics |
| 14:54.26 | evl | they get 100% crafted gear and no other stamina |
| 14:55.09 | kenlyric | no way. |
| 14:55.12 | Stephmw | evl: I'm trying to work up my sta/int at the same time |
| 14:55.15 | kebinusan | actually, POM mages that open with a POM pyro kinda make me /boggle |
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| 14:55.18 | sylvanaar | Mikk but you may have another idea, i am envisioning a OnEvent hook with some sort of dispatcher and maybe a managed queue |
| 14:55.32 | evl | WoW was never meant so that you could focus on one stat only |
| 14:55.42 | kenlyric | I have 7300 health without even caring about stam. |
| 14:55.50 | Stephmw | evl: http://armory.wow-europe.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Fragilist |
| 14:56.02 | evl | I don't have a priest, I have no clue :D |
| 14:56.02 | kebinusan | but but min/max |
| 14:56.22 | kenlyric | yeah, it's dumb to go overboard. I have a joke spirit set that gives me like 4k health and 5k mana :) |
| 14:56.28 | kenlyric | but, 810 spirit ;) |
| 14:56.36 | Stephmw | I need to get more spirit and better gems ;) |
| 14:56.44 | sylvanaar | my priest has 10k hp |
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| 14:56.49 | evl | For rogues it's very simply |
| 14:57.01 | kenlyric | sylvanaar: shadow and/or pvp? |
| 14:57.04 | evl | get best epics/blues crafted and chock in +4 hit +4 agi in everything :P |
| 14:57.10 | sylvanaar | shadow / pve |
| 14:57.31 | kenlyric | yeah, damage gear is much more likely to have stam on it than healing gear. |
| 14:57.37 | Gagorian | Stephmw: Horrible +dam :> |
| 14:57.48 | sylvanaar | i cant find enough +dmg |
| 14:58.04 | Stephmw | Gagorian: yeah, still gearing up for kara |
| 14:58.08 | kenlyric | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Kargath&n=Kenlyric |
| 14:58.33 | Stephmw | Gagorian: not sure how much I should stop at though |
| 14:58.41 | Gagorian | Never! |
| 14:58.52 | Stephmw | meh ;-) |
| 14:58.58 | Gagorian | I got 1240 on my lock on PTR |
| 14:59.01 | Gagorian | 1200 on liv |
| 14:59.02 | Gagorian | *e |
| 14:59.10 | sylvanaar | i need to figure out how to get from 500 to 1000 |
| 14:59.21 | Stephmw | can I check out your profile for eq? |
| 14:59.26 | Daemona | shadowdmg sylvanaar? |
| 14:59.30 | yacoob | messages.2:Apr 22 01:48:37 polppce05 savecore: [ID 570001 auth.error] reboot after panic: BAD TRAP: type=34 rp=2a10008b650 addr=deadbeefdeadbef7 mmu_fsr=0 |
| 14:59.36 | yacoob | Dead beef. |
| 14:59.46 | Daemona | thats easy, pick up tailoring ;) |
| 14:59.47 | Gagorian | Stephmw: Sure |
| 14:59.59 | kenlyric | here's a shadow priest who I know is pretty good http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Kargath&n=Dovoso |
| 15:00.14 | Gagorian | Stephmw: http://armory.wow-europe.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Al%27Akir&n=Gagorian |
| 15:00.23 | evl | vhaarr: LB is up., check yours :) |
| 15:00.35 | vhaarr | evl: indeed |
| 15:00.40 | Daemona | http://armory.wow-europe.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Destromath&n=Ramondras -> 1214 shadow ;) |
| 15:01.07 | Gagorian | Hmm, weird.. Gloves are bugged, but it's the mag ones |
| 15:01.08 | evl | undu: combo points text will be moved from the module to the layout so you can disable the graphical module |
| 15:01.14 | bigstar | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Nitrovama my holy priest |
| 15:01.19 | Stephmw | Gagorian: ok, I need to get myself some epics ;-) |
| 15:01.26 | Stephmw | Gagorian: you'll note I'm only in blues |
| 15:02.01 | Gagorian | Daemona: you're flasked, kek |
| 15:03.29 | vhaarr | "Sun Microsystems has announced the release of an open-source version of its Java Development Kit for Java Platform Standard Edition." |
| 15:03.30 | vhaarr | finally |
| 15:04.21 | Stephmw | vhaarr: note also Sun's plea for help for the bits it couldn't release as source ;-) |
| 15:04.22 | kenlyric | it's so amazing how many noobs passed on karazhan gear. I should send them gift baskets. |
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| 15:04.31 | vhaarr | Stephmw: right |
| 15:05.25 | Stephmw | vhaarr: those are already being replaced, http://kennke.org/blog/2007/05/09/color-encumbrance-fixed/ |
| 15:06.16 | vhaarr | Stephmw: yeah, I'm familiar with gnu classpath |
| 15:06.45 | Stephmw | vhaarr: also a java developer, or just interest? |
| 15:07.21 | Stephmw | Gagorian: your spirit blows though... as a mage, that would gimp my evocate |
| 15:07.25 | vhaarr | Stephmw: I worked with java development for 5 years, but not any more |
| 15:08.12 | kenlyric | lol |
| 15:08.30 | kenlyric | my spirit eats babies |
| 15:08.58 | Gagorian | Well I so hard for warlocks it's nearly funny- |
| 15:09.08 | Gagorian | WELL THAT CAME OUT WRONG |
| 15:09.12 | Stephmw | bwahaha |
| 15:09.22 | Gagorian | I started changing the sentence and accidentally pressed enter |
| 15:10.09 | pastamancer | paging Dr. Freud |
| 15:10.09 | Gagorian | What I tried to say I think spirit sucks so hard for warlocks it's nearly funny. |
| 15:10.20 | Gagorian | I'd rather take agi for dodge |
| 15:10.38 | kenlyric | indeed |
| 15:11.02 | Stephmw | just trying to see what tasty equipment I could 'lift' :) |
| 15:11.42 | Gagorian | kenlyric: http://www.educ.umu.se/~dumper/grimguzzlers/e107_files/public/148_totallytotallybugged.jpg |
| 15:11.44 | Gagorian | Beat that :l |
| 15:12.00 | Arrowmaster | they should buff health regen from spirit for warlocks |
| 15:12.10 | kenlyric | looks totally bugged |
| 15:12.20 | vhaarr | Gagorian: lol |
| 15:12.45 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 15:12.54 | Fisker- | damn |
| 15:12.59 | Fisker- | i once had 2800 mana regen |
| 15:13.02 | Fisker- | that was while casting though :) |
| 15:13.04 | Arrowmaster | is that on ptr? |
| 15:14.16 | kenlyric | wtf |
| 15:14.24 | kenlyric | peddlefeet is in the temple of the moon? |
| 15:14.58 | Arrowmaster | ?? |
| 15:15.04 | kenlyric | lol, darnassus must have won. |
| 15:15.11 | Arrowmaster | is it a real npc or one of the mini pets? |
| 15:15.32 | kenlyric | the real npc. |
| 15:15.43 | kenlyric | i'm guessing this is the reward for winning the holiday event. |
| 15:15.45 | Arrowmaster | that should have gone away a few months ago |
| 15:15.49 | kenlyric | I've just never seen it before. |
| 15:15.56 | Arrowmaster | go /kiss him |
| 15:16.07 | kenlyric | i did :) |
| 15:17.13 | kenlyric | speaking of stats, agility vs AP in lower level gear sucks. |
| 15:17.14 | kenlyric | I get gear that has 15 agility or 30 AP :/ |
| 15:17.45 | Arrowmaster | thats because 2ap is worth the same as 1agi in making items |
| 15:17.56 | kenlyric | well it was |
| 15:18.04 | Arrowmaster | still is |
| 15:18.19 | kenlyric | they changed it in 2.0 so now it only gives 1ap |
| 15:18.31 | kenlyric | but they didn't change the item value? brilliant |
| 15:18.50 | Arrowmaster | welcome to the world of rogues |
| 15:18.58 | Arrowmaster | been that way since release |
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| 15:19.50 | kenlyric | yeah, but rogues actually need the agility for dodge |
| 15:19.55 | Arrowmaster | why do you think mongoose proc gives 120 agi, and the crusader proc got nerfed down to 60str for lvl 70s |
| 15:20.09 | Arrowmaster | my rogue friend has less agi now than he did at 60 |
| 15:20.19 | Arrowmaster | but his AP is over 1600 |
| 15:20.39 | kenlyric | the extra crit will be useful when I start going down the MM tree. |
| 15:21.05 | Arrowmaster | your probably better off with the well balanced items that give ap and crit rating |
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| 15:22.21 | Fisker- | any druids on ptr? |
| 15:22.35 | Arrowmaster | friend is |
| 15:23.46 | kenlyric | actually, my problem right now is mana... I either need more int, or more mana regen. |
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| 15:24.01 | Punkie` | more mana regen > more int |
| 15:25.25 | kenlyric | mine is 74mp5 while not casting. |
| 15:25.32 | kenlyric | I want to donate some from my priest :) |
| 15:25.43 | Arrowmaster | wow thats less than my warlock |
| 15:25.43 | Fisker- | got 78mp5 while casting right now |
| 15:25.58 | kenlyric | Arrowmaster: the hunter is only level 46 :) |
| 15:26.25 | Arrowmaster | kenlyric: get 10 more and youll have my 70 warlock beat |
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| 15:27.38 | kenlyric | i'm thinking about this chestpiece with 16 agility and 5 spirit, replacing a 30ap one that's six item levels lower. |
| 15:27.47 | Arrowmaster | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Tokrim |
| 15:27.59 | Punkie` | Arrowmaster: but you have lifetap and drainlife ;) |
| 15:28.01 | Fisker- | isn't it a bit silly that [target=unitid] is case sensitive? :o |
| 15:28.03 | Arrowmaster | sorry guess i was wrong |
| 15:28.10 | Arrowmaster | i have 116mp/5 while not casting |
| 15:28.49 | Arrowmaster | Punkie`: and dark pact |
| 15:28.58 | kenlyric | there ahs been very little hunter mail quest rewards from 40-46. |
| 15:28.58 | Punkie` | yup |
| 15:28.59 | Fisker- | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fiskerdin |
| 15:29.02 | Arrowmaster | well i better get heading to class |
| 15:29.46 | Bruners | kenlyric: you dont need good gear from 1-60 |
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| 15:30.02 | Arrowmaster | what is it with pallys and tailoring |
| 15:30.10 | Gngsk | nets ftw |
| 15:30.17 | Arrowmaster | oh lol |
| 15:30.35 | kenlyric | I know I don't need it. |
| 15:30.47 | kenlyric | but sometimes when my pet is fighting three mobs I have to help. and i"d rather not. |
| 15:31.08 | Gngsk | kenlyric, try being a horde pally from 21-60 |
| 15:31.27 | Arrowmaster | warrior with mana! |
| 15:31.27 | Gngsk | once I hit outlands I got like 4 upgrades straight away though |
| 15:31.51 | Arrowmaster | ok this time im really heading to class |
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| 15:41.15 | Fisker- | so kaelten was working on some upgrades for WAU? |
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| 15:42.07 | CIA-23 | 03evl * r34885 10PitBull/ (ComboPoints/ComboPoints.lua Layouts/ABF.lua): |
| 15:42.07 | CIA-23 | PitBull |
| 15:42.07 | CIA-23 | - Moved the combo points text display into ABF layout as has been done with health and mana, ComboPoints now only contains the actual graphical display and can be disabled if you plan on only using text display. |
| 15:42.31 | evl | hope ckk doesn't wake up and rape me now! |
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| 15:44.39 | Mikk | Can someone _not_ logged into WoWWiki please attempt to access http://www.wowwiki.com/Hellfire_Peninsula ? |
| 15:45.24 | Bam__ | database error |
| 15:45.25 | Mikk | nvm.. i hadn't logged in with IE.. i can test it from there |
| 15:45.27 | Mikma | ofc not |
| 15:45.57 | Silviu- | A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: |
| 15:45.58 | Silviu- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.31 | CIA-23 | 03evl * r34886 10PitBull/ (CastBar/CastBar.lua CombatText/CombatText.lua): |
| 15:47.31 | CIA-23 | PitBull |
| 15:47.31 | CIA-23 | - Lowercase "bar" and "text" in menu name to conform with the other modules. |
| 15:47.31 | CIA-23 | - Slightly improved CastBar menu description. |
| 15:48.02 | CIA-23 | 03bam 07dataminer * r34887 10ItemPrice-1.0/compress.lua: |
| 15:48.02 | CIA-23 | ItemPrice-1.0: |
| 15:48.03 | CIA-23 | - Small optimization... just for the heck of it :) |
| 15:49.32 | sylvanaar | i wonder if Kaeltn's developers are trying to rewrite WAU |
| 15:49.37 | CIA-23 | 03bam * r34888 10ItemPrice-1.0/ItemPrice-1.0/ItemPrice-1.0.lua: |
| 15:49.37 | CIA-23 | ItemPrice-1.0: |
| 15:49.37 | CIA-23 | - Small optimization... just for the heck of it :) |
| 15:49.37 | CIA-23 | - Added :GetPriceById() |
| 15:49.43 | Azurewrath | mhm... anyone running a WSUS 3.0? :) |
| 15:49.49 | vhaarr | sylvanaar: They were talking about rewriting it in Java. |
| 15:49.57 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 15:50.02 | evl | no fucking way |
| 15:50.06 | evl | people use java? |
| 15:50.15 | sylvanaar | java is for noobs |
| 15:50.15 | Azurewrath | not if they're not forced to. |
| 15:50.16 | vhaarr | I think it's a mistake, too. |
| 15:50.44 | Bam__ | if they get a good program, they will :) |
| 15:50.45 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 15:50.45 | Fisker- | :P |
| 15:50.46 | evl | why not just keep it in C#? |
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| 15:51.02 | Fisker- | I'll be toying around with the WAU code in C# though |
| 15:51.09 | Fisker- | See if i can figure stuff out and work on it |
| 15:52.00 | Mikk | Butbut! With Java(tm) you could run the updater on ANY operating system! Like... like... Solaris .. or Ultrix .. !! |
| 15:52.06 | sylvanaar | i tried to offer yesterday, but i dont think he responded |
| 15:52.13 | Bam__ | Mac! |
| 15:52.21 | Mikk | What, WoW doesn't run on those operating systems? Stop being logical... |
| 15:52.25 | sylvanaar | write once, test everywhere |
| 15:52.29 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 15:52.51 | Bam__ | yea well... still better than write twice :) |
| 15:52.55 | Mikk | Bam__: Doesn't it already run on mac? |
| 15:53.03 | Mikma | yes it does |
| 15:53.12 | Mikk | That's what I thought |
| 15:53.23 | Bam__ | umm... which one of them? |
| 15:53.27 | Mikk | WAU |
| 15:53.30 | Bam__ | the one in C#? |
| 15:53.32 | Mikk | yes |
| 15:53.50 | Bam__ | no idea.. not getting anything C# on my Mac :P |
| 15:53.53 | sylvanaar | i mean - besides philosophical ones, what reasons are there not to just adapt the server format so that wau will run |
| 15:53.58 | Mikk | Yes, it's actually possible to write portable C# applications.. If you know what not to use from the winbloze specific guff =P |
| 15:54.19 | sylvanaar | its the only one using those files anyways |
| 15:54.43 | Mikk | (Sneaky bastards.. They tried to taint Java and failed.. So then they had to make their own pre-tainted language...) |
| 15:54.43 | sylvanaar | why cant they zero pad the .NNN version |
| 15:54.48 | Bam__ | do people need a fancy GUI? Give them a script and a file to edit :P |
| 15:55.23 | sylvanaar | why is it offlimits to have them use NNNNN.005 instead of NNNNN.5 |
| 15:55.36 | Mikk | Bam__: Create config on web page. Download as dumb script. Win. =) |
| 15:55.48 | pastamancer | what happens to NNNNN.10000? |
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| 15:56.02 | sylvanaar | you shoot yourself |
| 15:56.03 | Bam__ | Mikk: not a bad idea! |
| 15:56.21 | sylvanaar | cause you been around too long |
| 15:56.21 | Mikk | Well.. it's sorta bad.. cause the web page wouldn't know what you have installed :S |
| 15:56.34 | Mikk | Unless. unless.. YES! YOU PUT A SIGNED JAVA APPLET ON THE SERVER PAGE THAT CAN LOOK IN YOUR WOW DIR!!!!!!! |
| 15:56.37 | Mikk | Umm. wait.. |
| 15:56.47 | pastamancer | zero-padding the decimal revision isn't the right way to solve it |
| 15:56.56 | Megalon | unless you upload your whole hd to the server! |
| 15:56.57 | Bam__ | gives Mikk a CAPS-LOCK key :P |
| 15:57.02 | sylvanaar | its the "pragmatic" way |
| 15:57.26 | Mikk | Megalon: Windows update! \o/ |
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| 15:57.49 | sylvanaar | it avoids the whole software distribution aspect of pushing out a new updater |
| 15:58.09 | Mikk | aye.. signed java applets are certainly ncie that way |
| 15:58.22 | Bam__ | WebStart instead |
| 15:58.27 | Mikk | WebWhat? |
| 15:58.30 | Bam__ | applets suck |
| 15:58.34 | Fisker- | Core2 actually supports 64-bit os right? |
| 15:58.38 | Bam__ | Java WebStart |
| 15:59.07 | Mikk | Ah.. Java Applets outside the browser kinda =P |
| 15:59.25 | Bam__ | well same idea as an applet... but running as an application |
| 15:59.27 | sylvanaar | I realize its not ideal pastamancer but its a couple hours max vs 10x that or mor |
| 16:00.00 | sylvanaar | Fisker- does it? |
| 16:00.11 | pastamancer | files has been working like this for months |
| 16:00.28 | sylvanaar | pastamancer but noone is working on WAU |
| 16:00.43 | pastamancer | maybe people shouldn't use WAU until a new version is released |
| 16:00.53 | sylvanaar | thats unrealistic |
| 16:01.03 | kenlyric | wau works for me. |
| 16:01.09 | sylvanaar | me too |
| 16:01.20 | pastamancer | I really don't like hacking more and more shit into the files script just for WAU |
| 16:01.23 | kenlyric | don't be a noob by running with embeds and its fine. |
| 16:01.25 | sylvanaar | its the people with externals that this applies to |
| 16:01.49 | sylvanaar | WAU is your primary client, and the only one which uses those files anymore probably |
| 16:02.27 | Bam__ | it defaults to not using externals... perhaps that's the problem for some? |
| 16:02.50 | Bam__ | we know people don't RTFM :) |
| 16:02.59 | pastamancer | fiddling with the latest.txt and the descript.ion don't affect other updaters |
| 16:03.00 | kenlyric | it defaults to using externals until you instal !!!SAL |
| 16:03.09 | Bam__ | ah |
| 16:03.15 | pastamancer | screwing with how revisions are named does affect other updaters |
| 16:03.30 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: any idea on what paladin skill is available at level 68 that works under 20% health? oO |
| 16:03.34 | sylvanaar | im asking for the former |
| 16:03.45 | sylvanaar | i think |
| 16:04.06 | sylvanaar | no, ok |
| 16:04.08 | pastamancer | I'd rather keep WAU using the non-decimal zips but the AceEvent breakage |
| 16:04.09 | Josh_Borke | Gnarfoz: there's a protection talent that does that |
| 16:04.17 | Gnarfoz | nah, that's passive |
| 16:04.27 | Gnarfoz | because SCT keeps displaying "Finish it!" (the 5 CP message for rogues) when my target gets below 20% |
| 16:04.39 | Gnarfoz | instead of just "Hammer of Wrath now!" |
| 16:04.41 | sylvanaar | in what instance would zero padding break anything |
| 16:04.54 | renchap | Fisker-: i run gentoo 64 bit on my core2 |
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| 16:05.14 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 16:06.07 | sylvanaar | there are 2 ways to view the number AAAAA.BBB, or AAAAA.B if you treat BBB as a separate number 001 = 1 |
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| 16:06.28 | pastamancer | I don't know how other updaters are comparing the version numbers |
| 16:06.29 | sylvanaar | if you treat it as a decimal .001 != .1 |
| 16:06.55 | pastamancer | but fixing it in WAU should be 4-5 lines of code |
| 16:06.59 | Josh_Borke | Kemayo: ping |
| 16:07.14 | sylvanaar | but .001 is the same in both representations |
| 16:07.58 | [Ammo] | treating it as a separate number seems reasonable |
| 16:08.05 | [Ammo] | .1 equals .00001 then |
| 16:08.07 | Bam__ | heh.. I fear 3 decimals wont be enough for ckknight :P |
| 16:08.38 | [Ammo] | it's also how the current script treats it |
| 16:08.42 | [Ammo] | separate number |
| 16:09.11 | sylvanaar | yeah, i think that if you have the option to represent the number in a format which works with both methods you should prefer it |
| 16:09.41 | sylvanaar | rather than the representation which only works with one |
| 16:09.55 | pastamancer | and I'm philosophically opposed to solving the wrong problem |
| 16:10.25 | pastamancer | where is the version checking code in WAU? |
| 16:10.34 | sylvanaar | well, there ya go. its everywhere |
| 16:10.49 | sylvanaar | it was patched in at the last minute |
| 16:12.05 | sylvanaar | its always easier to change the server, that to redeploy software into the field |
| 16:12.38 | Josh_Borke | except when changes to the server break software in the field? |
| 16:12.41 | sylvanaar | and there are problems with not zero padding which extend beyond wau |
| 16:13.07 | sylvanaar | thats what they did josh, its how we got to where we are now |
| 16:13.42 | [Ammo] | WAU took the wrong assumption I think |
| 16:13.47 | sylvanaar | no, it didnt |
| 16:13.50 | pastamancer | I'll just go back to leaving out the decimal revisions from the latest.txt and WAU users can just grab the Ace2 standalone |
| 16:13.55 | [Ammo] | if it treated it as a separate number 0 padding doesn't matter |
| 16:13.59 | [Ammo] | it's completely irrelevant |
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| 16:14.18 | [Ammo] | while the server software handles it as a separate number |
| 16:14.31 | [Ammo] | and has done so frmo the start |
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| 16:15.01 | sylvanaar | the start was after wau 1.7 was completed |
| 16:15.13 | [Ammo] | and an argument to patch the server is easier than patching WAU is silly when WAU is wrong |
| 16:15.33 | [Ammo] | does WAU have a new version check yet? |
| 16:15.40 | [Ammo] | that prompts users to update their WAU? |
| 16:15.45 | [Ammo] | I remember talk about that on this channel |
| 16:15.58 | [Ammo] | if so the whole thing is even easier |
| 16:16.05 | [Ammo] | just patch WAU, push a new version and be done |
| 16:16.21 | sylvanaar | you test it ammo |
| 16:16.23 | [Ammo] | patching the server because one client can't handle it is silly |
| 16:16.26 | Gnarfoz | srsly, this sounds like a kindergarten fight right here - "you do it" - "NO U" :\ |
| 16:16.39 | [Ammo] | because there are 4 clients |
| 16:16.41 | [Ammo] | not just one |
| 16:16.46 | sylvanaar | we could solve the problem in under an hour |
| 16:16.48 | [Ammo] | this is not a kindergarten fight |
| 16:16.54 | [Ammo] | this is a principle thing |
| 16:17.09 | sylvanaar | or it will take 20+ to get wau patched |
| 16:17.10 | [Ammo] | and I agree that testing the software sucks ass |
| 16:17.29 | [Ammo] | patching the server will probably break other clients |
| 16:17.30 | kenlyric | I find most principle things are kindergarten fights because the principles don't actually matter. |
| 16:17.34 | evl | What would be the easiest way of testing if your interrupt spell actually successfully interrupted? |
| 16:17.36 | sylvanaar | and to boot your zip files will sort naturally |
| 16:17.36 | [Ammo] | where one client was wrong |
| 16:17.40 | sylvanaar | if you zero pad |
| 16:17.54 | kenlyric | evl: the spell stops casting? |
| 16:18.02 | [Ammo] | zeropadding would help I agree, and it accidently solves the WAU issue |
| 16:18.05 | [Ammo] | but WAU should be patched as well |
| 16:18.12 | [Ammo] | to treat it as a different number |
| 16:18.17 | evl | kenlyric: code wise :) |
| 16:18.38 | Bam__ | evl: parsing combat log? |
| 16:18.56 | [Ammo] | you probably think I'm very anti-WAU or something, but I'm a negative type of guy, no is usually my first answer, after that I start to consider the options |
| 16:19.50 | Mikk | not a very productive way of learning new things, mind. open questions ftw =) |
| 16:20.03 | Mikk | <- training himself to do it.. not always succeeding |
| 16:20.03 | [Ammo] | you misunderstood |
| 16:20.15 | Mikk | that was a "no" again =P |
| 16:20.21 | [Ammo] | immidiate answer: no |
| 16:20.22 | Bam__ | I think it's called conservative :P |
| 16:20.24 | [Ammo] | action: check |
| 16:20.50 | [Ammo] | in this case, changing the server can potentially break 3 other updaters |
| 16:21.02 | [Ammo] | so immediate answer: no |
| 16:21.05 | Mikk | yeah ammo i absolutely see where you're coming from. problem is, that "no" will scare away people that aren't as mule headed as.. well.. Fisker |
| 16:21.16 | Bam__ | any clues how many use each of them? |
| 16:21.24 | [Ammo] | fisker is a troll anything he says can be disregarded as bullshit |
| 16:21.26 | sylvanaar | see, zero pad is unlikely to break other addons |
| 16:21.31 | sylvanaar | updaters |
| 16:21.36 | Mikk | [Ammo]: That remains undisputed =) |
| 16:21.58 | sylvanaar | because it has the same meaning if the number is separate or decimal |
| 16:23.02 | [Ammo] | could be |
| 16:23.06 | [Ammo] | but did you investigate that? |
| 16:23.17 | [Ammo] | what I'm saying is, you only have control over your own software |
| 16:23.23 | Mikk | .. unless the updater uses a number parser that autodetects base.. which could turn "010" into "8".. |
| 16:23.29 | Mikk | not TOO bloody likely but.. i've seen it happen |
| 16:24.04 | pastamancer | since WAU can't handle the sub-revisions, I'm removing them from the latest.txt files |
| 16:24.15 | pastamancer | this will not affext any other clients |
| 16:24.17 | pastamancer | but |
| 16:24.34 | pastamancer | WAU users will potentialy suffer from the AceEvent breakage |
| 16:24.42 | sylvanaar | shrug, then they suffer |
| 16:24.42 | pastamancer | unless they have Ace2 standalone |
| 16:24.44 | [Ammo] | why not just patch WAU? |
| 16:24.55 | [Ammo] | and add a version check in it as well |
| 16:25.00 | [Ammo] | so people are prompted to update their WAU |
| 16:25.02 | Mikk | because wau doesn't upgrade itself and joe user won't know to upgrade it |
| 16:25.04 | sylvanaar | right, and 10 other things as well |
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| 16:25.09 | [Ammo] | so? |
| 16:25.11 | pastamancer | WAU can use the latest.xml when it decides to support sub-revisions |
| 16:25.30 | [Ammo] | patching the server for one updater is shortsighted |
| 16:26.01 | [Ammo] | have you checked if other updaters use the latest.txt and the subrevisions? |
| 16:26.04 | sylvanaar | why is that my job |
| 16:26.14 | Gnarfoz | because you want it changed |
| 16:26.17 | Bam__ | make a new dummy folder at the top named !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU MUST UPDATE TO VERSION 1.8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:26.19 | Gnarfoz | (easy answer?) |
| 16:26.21 | [Ammo] | why is it your job to change the server just because your updater doesn't work? |
| 16:26.30 | pastamancer | [Ammo]: they shouldn't. really, nothing should be using latest.txt |
| 16:26.35 | sylvanaar | no, i dont give a shit...the users are getting fucked |
| 16:26.43 | Gnarfoz | figures |
| 16:26.49 | [Ammo] | no, your users are getting fucked because you refuse to update your code |
| 16:27.03 | Mikk | ... |
| 16:27.14 | Mikk | users are getting fucked because they're running software that's been readily available for a long time |
| 16:27.17 | sylvanaar | they arent mine, i updated WAU to help the community |
| 16:27.17 | Mikk | users do not update |
| 16:27.29 | Fisker- | 60000 msec is 60 seconds right? |
| 16:27.31 | sylvanaar | i didnt agree to maintain it forever |
| 16:27.39 | Josh_Borke | Fisker-: sounds about right |
| 16:27.40 | Fisker- | i can't really figure out if 60 * 1000 is 60000 :P |
| 16:27.47 | [Ammo] | but you do advocate changes to the server to make sure you don't have to maintain it? |
| 16:28.00 | sylvanaar | im not going to either way |
| 16:28.15 | Mikk | Grats ammo. You have made your point, and users continue to be fucked. |
| 16:28.17 | sylvanaar | im advocating it because its a fix that will work |
| 16:28.17 | pastamancer | When I agreed to add the sub-revisions to the latest.txt during the AceEvent breakage, it was with the understanding that WAU would handle it just fine. |
| 16:28.33 | [Ammo] | anyway, I won't suffer from this |
| 16:28.34 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: take the 6*10, do 1000 * 10 (which just adds one 0 to the 1000, giving 10.000) and then do 10.000*6 ^^ |
| 16:28.39 | sylvanaar | it had a bug, shit happpen |
| 16:28.51 | [Ammo] | I'm just trying to get a point across that the whole thing doesn't evolve about WAU |
| 16:28.53 | pastamancer | and so I've just reverted that change |
| 16:28.55 | [Ammo] | there are at least 3 otehr updaters |
| 16:29.07 | [Ammo] | which might use it |
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| 16:29.15 | sylvanaar | you guys should have let me know during WAU 1.7's 2 month beta you were changing the server |
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| 16:29.33 | [Ammo] | do whatever you want, I've said what I wanted basically :) |
| 16:29.58 | Heri0 | hmm |
| 16:30.01 | Heri0 | strange |
| 16:30.13 | pastamancer | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=4002.0 does this ring a bell? |
| 16:30.22 | Heri0 | wowhead only seems to show 200 results in the "disenchanted from" tab =/ |
| 16:30.43 | [Ammo] | pastamancer: updates should use the xml yeah |
| 16:30.43 | Gnarfoz | didn't pastamancer just say, nothing should use latest.txt anyway? how makes protecting the "3 other updaters that might do" any sense then? |
| 16:30.53 | Bam__ | wowhead only shows 200 maxmimum |
| 16:30.56 | [Ammo] | why not delete latest.txt if noone use use it |
| 16:31.00 | [Ammo] | would bring a nice error in WAU |
| 16:31.01 | Bam__ | refine your search :P |
| 16:31.03 | [Ammo] | would force peopel to update |
| 16:31.03 | [Ammo] | done |
| 16:31.04 | sylvanaar | i wasnt involved in any of that |
| 16:31.40 | sylvanaar | that was PProvost, and it was for WAU 2.0 |
| 16:32.06 | Fisker- | :D |
| 16:32.13 | Fisker- | I made auto-updater for WAU |
| 16:32.14 | Mikk | [Ammo]: Do you work for a commercial software company? If so, please tell me which so I know who to not buy software from =P |
| 16:32.16 | sylvanaar | all i did was take 1.6 and fix shit that needed fixign |
| 16:32.16 | Fisker- | it sucks like hell |
| 16:32.19 | pastamancer | what happened to pprovost? |
| 16:32.23 | Fisker- | but it took me like 5 minutes |
| 16:33.00 | [Ammo] | Mikk: I do, but we have proper prompts for updating where needed |
| 16:33.14 | [Ammo] | Mikk: and in our business we can push remote updates to clients |
| 16:33.55 | Bam__ | do the other updaters work fine? |
| 16:34.04 | [Ammo] | SVN works best |
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| 16:34.10 | sylvanaar | Dont you understant that its compiled code, and 'work fine' is not enough |
| 16:34.11 | evl | SVN works best |
| 16:34.12 | evl | :) |
| 16:34.15 | pastamancer | most of the other updaters are still scraping the index.html |
| 16:34.19 | pastamancer | that's bad too |
| 16:35.14 | Bam__ | subversion server could come under too much pressure if all users used it.... I think |
| 16:35.22 | Mikk | mm |
| 16:35.25 | [Ammo] | it has multiple mirrors |
| 16:35.33 | vhaarr | the SVN can handle it. |
| 16:35.41 | [Ammo] | svn.wowace.com is mapped to multiple things |
| 16:35.46 | [Ammo] | so should be no problem |
| 16:35.46 | Bam__ | ok |
| 16:36.02 | [Ammo] | updaters are just there for retard users |
| 16:36.12 | Mikk | aye. we should only make mods for developers. |
| 16:36.15 | Mikk | much easier. |
| 16:36.25 | sylvanaar | there you go - copy paste that onto the wowace.com front page |
| 16:36.26 | Bam__ | no they demand too much :P |
| 16:36.29 | evl | why not just write people a small bat script that parses a config file and does normal SVN commands |
| 16:36.37 | renchap | [Ammo]: there is only one mirror atm :) |
| 16:36.49 | [Ammo] | doh |
| 16:36.50 | sylvanaar | BAT script? are you insane |
| 16:37.09 | Punkie` | I use a bat script for updating :p |
| 16:37.19 | Mikk | You're not joe user |
| 16:37.25 | sylvanaar | let me get my keyloggers out of quarantine |
| 16:37.26 | Fisker- | i use bats for updating my addons as well |
| 16:37.30 | Bam__ | some other scripting language perhaps... with an easy to install interpreter |
| 16:37.36 | Bam__ | Lua :) |
| 16:37.40 | Gnarfoz | erm |
| 16:37.44 | Gnarfoz | why add overhad |
| 16:37.47 | Gnarfoz | *overhead |
| 16:37.49 | Gnarfoz | batch files are fine |
| 16:37.55 | Mikk | right.. you go code that one and see which updater gets used |
| 16:38.03 | renchap | batch files works for windows |
| 16:38.10 | sylvanaar | 90% |
| 16:38.20 | sylvanaar | or more |
| 16:38.21 | Gnarfoz | renchap: indeed, so? it's not like linux is WAU's target audience, is it |
| 16:38.27 | renchap | Gnarfoz: and mac ? |
| 16:38.34 | Gnarfoz | WAU doesn't work on macs at all |
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| 16:38.48 | Mikk | er exsqueeze me? |
| 16:38.58 | Bam__ | ah dont worry about us MAc user.. we are used to doing it ourselves :P |
| 16:39.08 | Gnarfoz | and mac users can just use the brilliant linux guy's scripts: os x is a unix, too |
| 16:39.18 | Gnarfoz | World Server is down >_< |
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| 16:39.39 | Mikk | And there's plenty of elevators not going to the top floor it seems |
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| 16:40.09 | sylvanaar | this is what i hear - "go spend 20-40 hours of your time, because i dont want to make a change on prinipal" |
| 16:40.21 | sylvanaar | thats how i interpret it |
| 16:40.29 | vhaarr | I just hear |
| 16:40.29 | vhaarr | whine |
| 16:40.34 | vhaarr | -> #wau |
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| 16:40.36 | Gnarfoz | floodkick vhaar pls |
| 16:40.36 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 16:41.05 | sylvanaar | discussion is over no need |
| 16:41.06 | KarlThePagan | it's not to say that wau discussion is always bad here, but technical / impl / protocol discussions would help us out in #wau |
| 16:41.35 | [Ammo] | I have one point: don't change the server because one updater can't handle it |
| 16:41.58 | kenlyric | isn't that how wau was borked in the first place, by changing the server? |
| 16:42.08 | Gnarfoz | it'd still be a change to something only one updater uses, but I digress :> |
| 16:42.32 | [Ammo] | Gnarfoz: did you check that? |
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| 16:42.37 | kenlyric | and seriously, find me another updater that isn't a steaming pile of garbage, and you've have a case for not adapting wau. |
| 16:42.39 | Kaelten | the server needed to be changed. And more changes are possible to follow. And eventually I will remove the latest.txts completely |
| 16:42.51 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 16:43.13 | [Ammo] | Kaelten: which would mean all updaters need updating anyway |
| 16:43.19 | [Ammo] | good. |
| 16:43.23 | kenlyric | Kaelten: true, it's also dumb to expect the software to never change. |
| 16:43.24 | Kaelten | thats true |
| 16:43.24 | Gnarfoz | no, the ones simply parsing the index.html won't |
| 16:43.47 | Kaelten | gnarfoz they'll have to be updated if I start to enhance the index.html |
| 16:43.48 | evl | I still think a wrapper around libsvn would be the pwn |
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| 16:43.58 | kenlyric | zomg, no wildhammer rep :( |
| 16:43.58 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: they will then, of course :) |
| 16:43.59 | sylvanaar | but will they be |
| 16:44.03 | Kaelten | evl server load would kill svn.wowace.com |
| 16:44.09 | Funkeh` | hey all |
| 16:44.20 | Gnarfoz | heh, so much for "SVN can handle it" |
| 16:44.29 | trh | what about a additonal index.xml at files.wowace.com with proper tags for revision/stuff? =) |
| 16:44.34 | Kaelten | gnarfoz we serve more than 350k addons a day |
| 16:44.36 | [Ammo] | Kaelten: what happened to the 7? mirrors? |
| 16:44.38 | vhaarr | without externals it should be fine? |
| 16:44.50 | Fisker- | btw Kaelten what's the minimum you want us to wait before updating? |
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| 16:44.52 | Kaelten | [ammo] sync issues made it unfeasible. |
| 16:44.58 | [Ammo] | damn |
| 16:44.59 | renchap | Kaelten: i think the load is due to apache |
| 16:45.00 | kenlyric | so, if the server people have are making changes specifically to ease the load that updaters cause, why don't they just write one? ;) |
| 16:45.05 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: I know, vhaar just said the SVN could - I kind of doubted that without having any statistics at hand ;) |
| 16:45.09 | Kaelten | Fisker-: <shrugs> |
| 16:45.13 | renchap | i realy want a mod_svn for lighttpd |
| 16:45.21 | Kaelten | renchap: possibily but they use mod_dav |
| 16:45.22 | pastamancer | renchap: amen |
| 16:45.34 | Jagobah | This is probably very newbie but what is the mod that lets you have more than one item window open at a time |
| 16:45.35 | vhaarr | evl: got names/profiles of your chaps? |
| 16:45.40 | renchap | and what about using the svn:// protocol ? |
| 16:45.44 | Kaelten | gnarfoz: dreamhost nearly shut down the svn when we didn't have the files |
| 16:46.01 | Gnarfoz | figures |
| 16:46.12 | Kaelten | renchap that'd be lighterweight, but you loose functionality. |
| 16:46.23 | Kaelten | I don't want to have to check out a mod just to read its source code. |
| 16:46.47 | renchap | we can setup both :) |
| 16:46.59 | kenlyric | Jagobah: links |
| 16:47.07 | renchap | svn://svn1.wowace.com/wowace should work |
| 16:47.18 | Kaelten | kenlyric: I'm actually working towards a new version of wau that will take advantage of the new interface |
| 16:47.24 | evl | vhaarr: all of them are in pvp gear on armory so I'lll get back to you latert :) |
| 16:47.35 | vhaarr | evl: alright |
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| 16:49.03 | vhaarr | evl: gear doesn't really matter though, reputation matters more |
| 16:49.15 | evl | oh, most are repped exalted with everything |
| 16:49.19 | evl | i'm even with consortium |
| 16:49.53 | sylvanaar | Kaelten a java version? |
| 16:50.07 | vhaarr | evl: I mean pre-tbc factions |
| 16:50.15 | vhaarr | evl: to get an idea of raiding experience |
| 16:50.49 | evl | i'll get back to that but what about people who rerolled for tbc? :P |
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| 16:51.35 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 16:51.47 | evl | most have cleared AQ40 and some naxx |
| 16:51.51 | vhaarr | alright |
| 16:51.55 | Kaelten | sylvanaar thats an option we're looking into. |
| 16:52.02 | vhaarr | evl: that's fine, let me know when you transfer |
| 16:52.15 | KarlThePagan | java 5 or 6 |
| 16:52.16 | evl | although people are adults and have lives |
| 16:52.17 | KarlThePagan | imo |
| 16:52.18 | NeoTron_ | if you make an updater for ace, what would be the best method? |
| 16:52.23 | evl | so no 13:00 -> 00:00 raiding on saturdays :P |
| 16:52.27 | KarlThePagan | latest.xml |
| 16:52.29 | NeoTron_ | ok |
| 16:52.52 | NeoTron_ | ah it's basically an rss feed |
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| 16:55.18 | wallen | does anyone have some suggestions about where to upload wow movies apart filefront? |
| 16:55.49 | NeoTron | is there a universay Ace way that each addon has its latest version displayed in? |
| 16:56.23 | vhaarr | NeoTron: in-game? |
| 16:56.31 | vhaarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.33 | NeoTron | no, auto-updater-wise |
| 16:56.45 | vhaarr | latest.xml |
| 16:56.53 | NeoTron | I mean once I've downloaded an addon |
| 16:57.01 | trh | wallen: rapidshare (if < 100mb) |
| 16:57.01 | NeoTron | to know whether or not it should be retrieved |
| 16:57.13 | vhaarr | if you got it from files.wowace.com, there's a file with the revision in it |
| 16:57.15 | NeoTron | or should I just cache it |
| 16:57.19 | pastamancer | the autoupdater should keep track of it |
| 16:57.49 | NeoTron | fair enough |
| 16:57.55 | Gnarfoz | yay for breakage if someone fiddles with files manually then :> |
| 16:58.07 | pastamancer | Gnarfoz: that's their fault |
| 16:58.07 | Gnarfoz | (could be compensated for by also caching mtime of files ^^) |
| 16:58.18 | Gnarfoz | pastamancer: yeah, and preventing it is called "user friendlyness" |
| 16:58.27 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: well that's not a major concern |
| 16:58.32 | Gnarfoz | sure, here, it never is |
| 16:58.33 | Gnarfoz | :) |
| 16:58.38 | NeoTron | if you use an auto-updated you should expect it to break things you've changed locally |
| 16:58.46 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: the other way around |
| 16:58.52 | kenlyric | the first day of CGF class should be "name your pet" |
| 16:59.04 | NeoTron | kenlyric: my boar is named Cat |
| 16:59.08 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 16:59.19 | NeoTron | I just got a carrion bird. Considered naming it Boar |
| 16:59.25 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: would be nice if you could check in your AFK changes to XRS to the trunk |
| 16:59.29 | Gnarfoz | name it Tallstrider :> |
| 16:59.31 | kenlyric | I'm like 97% less suspicious of bots when their pet is named. |
| 16:59.37 | trh | NeoTron: retarded as hell ;) |
| 16:59.46 | NeoTron | yep! |
| 16:59.49 | pastamancer | if someone is making local modifications, even an updater that looks for the changelog will still overwrite everything |
| 17:00.08 | NeoTron | I found cat especailly suitable since it's so high on "killed by" list |
| 17:00.46 | kenlyric | well that's just because names are only cosmetic. |
| 17:00.59 | kenlyric | I wonder if broken tooth still tops the killed list. |
| 17:02.02 | kenlyric | man, not even on the top 20 :/ |
| 17:03.54 | vhaarr | "The ATI marketing guy on stage (Henri Richard) at the Red Hat Summit just committed to fixing the ATI problems with open source." |
| 17:03.54 | vhaarr | finally |
| 17:03.54 | vhaarr | maybe I can buy ATI next time |
| 17:03.54 | kenlyric | never. |
| 17:03.54 | trh | vhaarr: don't they tell that for years? |
| 17:03.54 | vhaarr | trh: I don't think it has been promised in this fashion before |
| 17:04.05 | kenlyric | can they fix ATI's problem with being ATI? probably not. |
| 17:04.08 | trh | vhaarr: well... i'll wait loooong before buying ati again |
| 17:04.15 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 17:04.21 | kenlyric | nvidia would probably have to explode. |
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| 17:07.29 | Fisker- | Elkano |
| 17:07.29 | Fisker- | ! |
| 17:08.20 | sylvanaar | they did, its AMD |
| 17:08.39 | kenlyric | uh, amd bought ATI. |
| 17:08.49 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 17:09.09 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.16 | kenlyric | ah, ok. |
| 17:09.27 | kenlyric | so you're right, they might actually get better. ;) |
| 17:09.32 | sylvanaar | lol no |
| 17:09.44 | sylvanaar | they just arent ATI lol |
| 17:11.25 | sylvanaar | i own an nvidia as of last week |
| 17:11.57 | trh | only bad thing about nvidia is that it's more expensive then ati |
| 17:11.59 | kenlyric | I've never had anything but bad luck with ATI, and never anything but no kind of work at all with nvidia. |
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| 17:12.29 | kenlyric | I haven't even payed attentiont to ATI number or progress in th elast four years. |
| 17:12.45 | sylvanaar | i have owned 4-5 ati cards, and they have had many problems |
| 17:13.15 | kenlyric | there are a lot of people doingg karazhan |
| 17:13.32 | sylvanaar | yeah, i want to take my old ati card and make a media center pc |
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| 17:14.02 | kenlyric | it kinda shocks me that voidwalker is number 1. |
| 17:14.06 | KarlThePagan | only thing I would recommend ATI cards for is for laptops if you're concerned about operating temperature |
| 17:14.21 | KarlThePagan | but I don't have the latest nvidia in that dept |
| 17:14.29 | KarlThePagan | so maybe I just need an upgrade :P |
| 17:14.41 | kenlyric | do many warlocks pvp with voidwalker? |
| 17:14.57 | KarlThePagan | smart warlocks summon & sac before arena matches |
| 17:15.08 | KarlThePagan | and then bring out a better pet |
| 17:15.29 | kenlyric | but those voidies don't kill other people. |
| 17:15.33 | KarlThePagan | never |
| 17:15.35 | kenlyric | unless killing themselves counts. |
| 17:15.42 | sylvanaar | can you do ritual of doom in arena |
| 17:15.42 | kenlyric | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/toplist/index.html?en,killedby |
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| 17:15.58 | Bam__ | ~seen Jerry |
| 17:16.29 | purl | jerry <n=jerry@p508BE3C3.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 113d 14h 56m 55s ago, saying: 'abrotman: please part.'. |
| 17:16.29 | KarlThePagan | hehe yea that's all exploding KZ voidwalkers |
| 17:16.29 | kenlyric | 3x vw over #2 |
| 17:16.29 | Bam__ | hmm wrong syntax? |
| 17:16.29 | NeoTron | I don't get how VW can be so damn high |
| 17:16.32 | kenlyric | no, I think those VW have real names. |
| 17:16.48 | KarlThePagan | not sure ;) |
| 17:16.50 | kenlyric | dunno though, will have to check. |
| 17:17.50 | NeoTron | I still love hof pillagers are up there |
| 17:17.53 | NeoTron | such nastu mobs |
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| 17:18.55 | abraxas^ | ahoy.. could someone gimme a little hand with ag_UnitFrames? |
| 17:19.03 | abraxas^ | and oRA2 maybe :V |
| 17:19.49 | vhaarr | just ask |
| 17:20.05 | Kemayo | Josh_Borke: Pong? |
| 17:20.06 | kenlyric | LOL http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/toplist/index.html?en,unitloot |
| 17:20.17 | abraxas^ | well I have it set for raids to display the auras and buffs below people |
| 17:20.19 | kenlyric | #3, Elemental fragment... grinding primals, much? ;) |
| 17:20.22 | abraxas^ | but they overlap with the next person in the group |
| 17:20.30 | abraxas^ | is there a way to set some kind of spacing between group members or something? |
| 17:20.48 | abraxas^ | also, this is kind of retarded probably, but how do I move the maintank and cooldown counter thing from oRA around? |
| 17:21.30 | vhaarr | abraxas^: options -> Raid -> Group Setup |
| 17:21.41 | vhaarr | abraxas^: to move them, hold down Alt and drag |
| 17:22.32 | abraxas^ | oh duh |
| 17:22.51 | vhaarr | hm Raid -> Raid Groups -> group1 -> Growth Distance |
| 17:22.55 | vhaarr | for aguf raid group spacing |
| 17:23.35 | abraxas^ | thanks a bunch, now I just need to figure out a setting that doesn't make the first group take up the whole left side of my screen |
| 17:29.17 | Saroz_ | Cryect, add interupts to bigbrother, so I can see which rogue kicks the channels and successfully interupts |
| 17:29.19 | Saroz_ | plx plx |
| 17:29.38 | Josh_Borke | Cryect: release your performance monitor thing :-D |
| 17:29.58 | Josh_Borke | Kemayo: wondered if it would be ok by you if i 'borrowed' the WC sounds from QuestFu |
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| 17:30.41 | Bam__ | ohh are those statistics pages something new? |
| 17:30.43 | snurre | finally! 2 weeks without inet, now with new isp <3 |
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| 17:31.50 | Kemayo | Josh_Borke: Go for it. Only the peasant "work done!" sound is actually included in the mod -- the rest are included in WoW. |
| 17:31.53 | NeoTron | kenlyric: world of mat farming craft |
| 17:32.31 | kenlyric | I like the peasant More Work? and the orc Work Complete! |
| 17:32.44 | NeoTron | speaking of which, I'm 2 primal mights and 7 spellcloths away from being "done" with tailoring for now |
| 17:32.55 | Josh_Borke | Kemayo: cool, thanks |
| 17:32.57 | kenlyric | NeoTron: what was that in response to? |
| 17:33.04 | Bam__ | can we get a Gnomish "Work Done"? :D |
| 17:33.09 | kenlyric | ah, primal :) |
| 17:33.34 | kenlyric | NeoTron: then you can drop tailoring and get something useful. |
| 17:33.42 | kenlyric | oh wait, no you can't because your set bonuses are tied to it. whoopsie ;) |
| 17:33.53 | Kemayo | Bam__: Maybe -- it'll depend on whether or not I can find the sound. |
| 17:34.17 | Bam__ | hehe just change the pitch on one of the others? |
| 17:34.51 | NeoTron | kenlyric: the most gathered loot |
| 17:35.05 | NeoTron | looking at the top list you see cloth, leather and primal-farming residue |
| 17:39.34 | Ordog | can some of you that is residing in the US please check if www.pandora.com still has techincal problems? |
| 17:42.28 | Gngsk | they blocked all non US ips |
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| 17:44.35 | Sais | I had no problems using it today...and I'm in the UK... |
| 17:44.40 | NeoTron | kenlyric: set bonuses plus it'd be nice to, you know, be able to put on resist gear for example |
| 17:44.47 | NeoTron | if I drop tailoring I can't wear shadoweave |
| 17:45.10 | kenlyric | ? |
| 17:45.13 | kenlyric | which gear is that? |
| 17:45.22 | Gngsk | sais, you're a hacker then -> http://blog.pandora.com/faq/#79 |
| 17:45.46 | NeoTron | Frozen Shadoweave "Requires: Shadoweave Tailoring" |
| 17:45.58 | kenlyric | you said resist gear. |
| 17:46.01 | Sais | They sent me an email saying "here, look at what we've changed", so I clicked the link fully expecting it to fail, but it worked. |
| 17:46.01 | NeoTron | yeah |
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| 17:46.07 | NeoTron | i can't take my shadoweave off to put on resist gear |
| 17:46.14 | kenlyric | ah. |
| 17:46.16 | Sais | So not my problem :D |
| 17:46.21 | kenlyric | I've heard that's not actually true. |
| 17:46.30 | kenlyric | those requirements aren't actually working. |
| 17:46.30 | NeoTron | and I dunno fi blizzard automatically takes gear you don't qualify off |
| 17:46.46 | NeoTron | nah not dropping tailoring, not dropping JC (too much invested) |
| 17:46.51 | kenlyric | from what I understand, you can switch specialties in PTR and still wear it. |
| 17:46.54 | kenlyric | you just don't get the set bonus. |
| 17:47.01 | NeoTron | my only hope for getting a gathering profession is to get my hunter up another 48 levels |
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| 17:47.37 | kenlyric | I dropped tailoring when I made truefaith vestments, way back at level 51 on a previous toon :) |
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| 17:50.07 | NeoTron | I think this shadoweave requirement is to avoid ppl doing just that |
| 17:50.19 | NeoTron | and profession specific set bonuses |
| 17:50.46 | Fisker- | Elkano btw |
| 17:59.27 | Kilroo | Any of the ZOMG Infinibar r0xx0rs contingent around? |
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| 18:03.07 | Amadeo | hell yeah, GeForce 8 series mobile |
| 18:06.11 | Sais | Hmmph. I'm getting a 'Cannot find module "Coordinates"' from Cartographer_Hotspot. I assume that's cos it's not installed...but shouldn't IsModuleActive("Coordinates") be checking that (and not erroring)? |
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| 18:07.19 | Sais | (Or - since it's LOD - loading it on demand? :) |
| 18:07.40 | vhaarr | :HasModule checks if a module exists or not. |
| 18:08.21 | Sais | The only places that Coordinates is checked for in _Hotspot are in IsModuleActive()s |
| 18:08.30 | Amadeo | I love this Yahoo TV ad - http://youtube.com/watch?v=y7_5O0oLvcQ |
| 18:09.01 | Sais | (afai can tell) |
| 18:09.44 | Fisker- | lolwut Amadeo |
| 18:10.36 | Amadeo | :D |
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| 18:11.22 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 18:12.03 | Fisker- | ok i gotta brush up on this |
| 18:12.16 | Fisker- | but how do i initialize DateTime to so i can output the value? |
| 18:12.19 | Fisker- | to now* |
| 18:13.02 | Killmore | anyone here try lurker below ? |
| 18:13.06 | Iceroth_ | is there some addon similar to Personal Sentry but wouldn't consume 30 mb memory in few hours? |
| 18:14.26 | Divax | Is Antiarc here? |
| 18:15.17 | CIA-23 | 03gameyuan * r34889 10FuBar_AceWardrobeFu/FuBar_AceWardrobeFu.toc: |
| 18:15.18 | CIA-23 | FuBar_AceWardrobeFu: |
| 18:15.18 | CIA-23 | -Change Libs\AceHook-2.0\ To Libs\AceHook-2.1\ |
| 18:15.18 | CIA-23 | -Not Work for TBC,Only for SVN Update |
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| 18:16.05 | Divax | Has anyone be able to get antiarc's armory site to work on their own guild site? |
| 18:16.23 | CIA-23 | 03gameyuan * r34890 10FuBar_ReagentFu/FuBar_ReagentFu.toc: |
| 18:16.23 | CIA-23 | FuBar_ReagentFu: |
| 18:16.23 | CIA-23 | -Add Notes-zhTW |
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| 18:17.47 | vhaarr | ~seen gameyuan |
| 18:18.32 | purl | vhaarr: i haven't seen 'gameyuan' |
| 18:18.32 | Kilroo | Two questions. First, I know they're screwing up gold spam report thingies, but until they do, what's the best gold seller report addon thingy doohicky? Second, I don't suppose it's possible to turn autoloot on or off as part of a macro? |
| 18:18.33 | vhaarr | Kaelten: in the e-mail you ship out with the SVN account information, do you include IRC information? |
| 18:18.37 | Kaelten | vhaarr: hrm I think so. |
| 18:18.46 | vhaarr | Kaelten: alright, good |
| 18:18.52 | Kaelten | let me double check though |
| 18:19.00 | kenlyric | Kilroo, I use spamsentry and just turn off the notification stuff. |
| 18:19.00 | vhaarr | Kilroo: spamsentry and SetCVar |
| 18:19.09 | kenlyric | it's completely silent and does what it's suppose to. |
| 18:19.27 | Kaelten | hrm no actually it doesn't |
| 18:19.29 | Kaelten | I should add that |
| 18:19.32 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 18:19.53 | vhaarr | Kaelten: do you save all the e-mails associated with a SVN account? |
| 18:20.03 | Kaelten | yes |
| 18:20.06 | vhaarr | sweet |
| 18:20.07 | Kilroo | thank you. |
| 18:20.20 | Tornhoof | gameyuan sounds like some chinese gold farmer to me tbh ;) |
| 18:20.20 | Kaelten | its n my gmail account and also the google group |
| 18:20.24 | vhaarr | Kaelten: we should get a precommit hook that checks for IRC presence some time soon |
| 18:20.46 | pastamancer | vhaarr: haha |
| 18:20.55 | Kaelten | vhaarr: ya, its on my todo list of impossible longess +5 |
| 18:20.55 | vhaarr | pastamancer: well, with exceptions, of course. |
| 18:21.11 | Kilroo | Spamsentry is a unit frame? |
| 18:21.20 | Divax | Has anyone worked with the page the pulls info from the armory page? |
| 18:21.36 | pastamancer | vhaarr: sounds like you need to start writing a bot |
| 18:21.39 | Divax | I'm having some issues with the php. |
| 18:21.42 | Tornhoof | ask antiarc ;) |
| 18:21.43 | Kaelten | I actually have the basis of a irc bot that we'll end up running karn helped me set it up a while back, just got a lot more to do in the inbetween |
| 18:21.50 | Divax | ya, but i dont think he's online :( |
| 18:22.02 | vhaarr | pastamancer: writing a bot is pretty simple, but I don't think we need to |
| 18:22.08 | vhaarr | just write a module for mozbot or something |
| 18:22.34 | Fisker- | pastamancer |
| 18:22.37 | Fisker- | i had an insane idea |
| 18:22.40 | Divax | I'm still new at this, how can a bot help the website? |
| 18:22.51 | Kaelten | vhaarr the one I have is based off of a python one. |
| 18:23.11 | vhaarr | Kaelten: alright, I've just used the mozilla irc bot for many years, and it works |
| 18:23.13 | vhaarr | but yeah |
| 18:23.20 | vhaarr | we also wrote a java-based one for work, it wasn't hard |
| 18:23.26 | Killmore | anyone here already tried lurker ? My guild is using DBM, we are thinking to use bigwigs instead of DBM, anyone know if the spout timer on lurker is beter on bigwigs ? |
| 18:23.32 | Kaelten | ya, all in all they're fairly simple. |
| 18:23.37 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 18:23.40 | Fisker- | but BigWigs > DBM |
| 18:23.52 | vhaarr | Killmore: you'll have to ask Funkeh`, I think there are some problems with the lurker encounter in general |
| 18:23.53 | kenlyric | zomg, DBM has... um.. |
| 18:23.57 | kenlyric | whisper notification! |
| 18:24.00 | vhaarr | Killmore: apparently it will be fixed in 2.1 |
| 18:24.01 | kenlyric | and umm.. errrr. |
| 18:24.03 | kenlyric | nothing else. |
| 18:24.04 | Divax | Has anyone seen this error "ERROR: Unable to get node attributes; this likely means that we were unable to retrieve data for the entered realm/guild from the Armory."? |
| 18:24.23 | Tornhoof | happens with eu-armory sometimes |
| 18:24.23 | Fisker- | apparently it's because the EU armory sucks |
| 18:24.27 | Tornhoof | yeh |
| 18:24.35 | Tornhoof | it returns improper formated xml sometimes |
| 18:24.41 | Divax | I use US |
| 18:24.41 | Tornhoof | i noticed it with my parser |
| 18:24.43 | Fisker- | Although i must say i've never gotten it to work with Antiarc's :( |
| 18:24.50 | Divax | PLUS, antiarc's site works. |
| 18:24.53 | Tornhoof | might be some problem there too |
| 18:24.56 | Divax | just not on mine. |
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| 18:25.01 | Funkeh` | kenlyric: whisper notification that gets stuck in loops |
| 18:25.23 | Divax | I think I'm just missing some configurations in the php. |
| 18:25.23 | pastamancer | Fisker-: I'm not surprised |
| 18:25.32 | Chompers | Fisker- |
| 18:25.36 | Divax | or... could it be a permission issue? |
| 18:25.37 | Funkeh` | the lurker below encounter is bugged to shit as it is, im hoping 2.1 will resolve some issues, untill then im not touching the bigwigs module |
| 18:25.52 | Killmore | ok |
| 18:25.59 | Chompers | in the middle of a raid someone mentioned they use DBM, Vent went silent |
| 18:26.16 | Fisker- | heh |
| 18:26.18 | Chompers | who would use dbm over bigwigs :/ its crazy |
| 18:26.22 | Kilroo | Is "showLootSpam" the autoloot? Doesn't seem right... |
| 18:26.24 | kenlyric | lots of folks use DBM because they had proximity notifications. |
| 18:26.28 | Kaelten | whats dbm? |
| 18:26.33 | Killmore | we finaly beat him after a couple of try but.. spout/whirl at the same time.. kick ass ! |
| 18:26.38 | Fisker- | pastamancer what about making a small like 1/4 or 1/5 size of the grid frame that indicates mana? |
| 18:26.40 | vhaarr | Kaelten: Rival bossmodule suite. |
| 18:26.40 | Divax | Has anyone implantmented Antiarc's site into theirs? |
| 18:26.51 | Kaelten | hrm weird |
| 18:27.01 | Kaelten | I don't raid so I wouldn't know. |
| 18:27.02 | kenlyric | half my guild switched over to dbm for curator, only to render it useless by not actually ranging from other people :) |
| 18:27.16 | Funkeh` | kenlyric: bigwigs has proximity alrets |
| 18:27.21 | kenlyric | Funkeh`: it does now |
| 18:27.26 | pastamancer | Fisker-: I'm separating the health bar color from the bar value, you could tint that |
| 18:27.28 | Funkeh` | :) |
| 18:27.40 | kenlyric | back then it was "we won't ever implement strategy into bigwigs" :) |
| 18:27.42 | Fisker- | :o? |
| 18:27.48 | Arrowmaster | and bigwigs has some structure in the code and doesnt look like it was writen by a retarded monkey |
| 18:27.51 | vhaarr | kenlyric: I said that, and I never did either |
| 18:27.56 | vhaarr | kenlyric: blame ammo for that abomination |
| 18:28.19 | vhaarr | although I have fixed it up |
| 18:28.23 | vhaarr | bah, I'm guilty :( |
| 18:28.31 | kenlyric | vhaarr: a nice idea, but people were fleeing bigwigs because of it. |
| 18:28.37 | vhaarr | people suck |
| 18:28.40 | kenlyric | right. |
| 18:28.42 | vhaarr | I know you agree |
| 18:29.11 | kenlyric | I haven't been in a fight where proximity mattered much, but I've heard it does later on, maybe on grull? |
| 18:29.20 | vhaarr | apparently |
| 18:29.25 | vhaarr | I don't know either :P |
| 18:29.30 | kenlyric | though I tend to stay away from other people on curator, and do use it there. |
| 18:29.42 | Kilroo | Oh wait, there's a SetAutoLootDefault apparently. |
| 18:29.43 | Fisker- | http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1/zomgen2.jpg |
| 18:29.46 | Fisker- | you see pastamancer? |
| 18:30.06 | kenlyric | bigwigs now has dropdown timer bars, so it's > * |
| 18:30.12 | Arrowmaster | on gruul though you have like 5 seconds to move, i tend to just look at the people around me rather than the proximity display since it doesnt say where they are around me |
| 18:30.25 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: yeah, that's what I did for c'thun as well. |
| 18:30.30 | vhaarr | I suspect it will be like that on gruul |
| 18:30.36 | vhaarr | when we get around to killing him |
| 18:30.43 | Fisker- | i just hide behind a rock |
| 18:30.45 | Amadeo | vhaarr: What's your PitBull setup look like? |
| 18:30.50 | Fisker- | then i don't get punted and people can't find me |
| 18:30.51 | vhaarr | Amadeo: I use agUF |
| 18:30.57 | Amadeo | omg! |
| 18:31.11 | Amadeo | stick it to the man! |
| 18:31.14 | Amadeo | haha |
| 18:31.16 | pastamancer | Fisker-: oh, I actually implemented that to play around with the idea but never committed it because it was hard to see and made the corner indicators on that side hard to notice |
| 18:31.29 | vhaarr | my computer is not state of the art, so I'll wait for pitbull to be a bit more optimized |
| 18:31.32 | Kilroo | My Pitbull setup is mostly resized from the ABF settings with portraits shown. |
| 18:31.43 | vhaarr | Fisker-: zomg your tooltips are liek crazy |
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| 18:32.10 | Funkeh` | what does proximity have to do with tactics |
| 18:32.15 | Funkeh` | its displays information |
| 18:32.18 | Funkeh` | people sitll die wiht it |
| 18:32.18 | Fisker- | well the pre-req is pretty much you don't use those side indicators there |
| 18:32.20 | Fisker- | which i don't :D |
| 18:32.23 | Funkeh` | you need a brain to understand it |
| 18:32.25 | Fisker- | thanks vhaarr ! |
| 18:32.49 | Divax | Fisher, what mods are you using? |
| 18:32.56 | Divax | fisker* |
| 18:33.03 | Kilroo | My Infinibars setup was looking pretty nice until I gave up on it |
| 18:33.13 | Fisker- | sooo many |
| 18:33.20 | Kilroo | I may go switch back to it now |
| 18:33.23 | Tornhoof | yah arrowmaster, we had that discussion before for cthun, to see if there is any reasonable way to get you an idea where the others actually are (like some radar) |
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| 18:33.34 | Divax | I'm interested in the player bars |
| 18:33.45 | Kilroo | the only problem with it is if I ever want to change it, I apparently can't drag things off the buttons... |
| 18:33.49 | Divax | I'm using x-perl right now, considering of chaning |
| 18:33.49 | vhaarr | Tornhoof: There was, but not any more. |
| 18:33.57 | Tornhoof | there still is |
| 18:34.00 | Tornhoof | but not reasonable |
| 18:34.01 | Divax | changing* |
| 18:34.09 | vhaarr | Tornhoof: explain |
| 18:34.28 | Amadeo | I'm just looking for a fancy PitBull setup, mine is so blah |
| 18:34.42 | evl_ | mine is best! |
| 18:34.50 | Tornhoof | if you update each player against each other player with range information (for the range values we know exactly) |
| 18:34.51 | evl_ | vhaarr |
| 18:34.56 | evl_ | oops, wrong paste! |
| 18:34.57 | evl_ | http://www.internetfriendsforever.com/screenshots/blend_ui.jpg |
| 18:34.58 | Kilroo | Mine looks mostly like Fisker's Player frame. |
| 18:35.00 | evl_ | imbaimbaimbaimbaimbaimba |
| 18:35.01 | vhaarr | :O |
| 18:35.06 | Fisker- | Divax those are pitbull |
| 18:35.08 | Tornhoof | you can calculate the positions of other ppl relative to yours |
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| 18:35.17 | Josh_Borke | i see no buttons |
| 18:35.26 | Tornhoof | but it's too much work from the computational point of view |
| 18:35.34 | vhaarr | Tornhoof: how? |
| 18:35.45 | [Merc]Balstor | standard triangulation code, always thought it would be cool in a WSG map so you could track alliance around |
| 18:35.54 | vhaarr | Fine, but it doesn't work in instances. |
| 18:35.58 | Tornhoof | it does |
| 18:36.03 | vhaarr | explain, then |
| 18:36.03 | Tornhoof | if you use the exact values |
| 18:36.17 | Tornhoof | let's say trading distance (11yr or something) |
| 18:36.30 | pastamancer | Tornhoof: you can't get an exact range on someone in an instance, only 10, 11, 20, 30, 40 yards |
| 18:36.33 | Tornhoof | now you update everytime everyone else is entering/leaving this range |
| 18:36.34 | [Merc]Balstor | If you want to get really fancy pick up and primer book on GPS and it gives you the filters to make it work with missing data |
| 18:36.38 | Amadeo | What do you guys think about Java going open-source? |
| 18:36.41 | Fisker- | http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2928/iwinat5.jpg <-moar winnage |
| 18:36.46 | vhaarr | pastamancer: Range is fine, he's saying he can somehow get direction. |
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| 18:37.03 | pastamancer | vhaarr: ah |
| 18:37.07 | NeoTron | you get direction by getting range from multiple viewpoints though |
| 18:37.17 | Tornhoof | the idea is simple |
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| 18:37.32 | [Merc]Balstor | also some skills used for getting diastance only work in the front arc |
| 18:37.32 | pastamancer | vhaarr: I guess you'd have to assume the direction of one point to orient everything around you |
| 18:37.33 | Tornhoof | basically you have 25 ppl each having 25 circles around each other |
| 18:37.50 | ulic | Kilroo: lemme know how the changing the loot works out for you. |
| 18:37.52 | Arrowmaster | would take a lot of cpu time to do though |
| 18:37.55 | Kaelten | I'm getting a kick out of refactoring python code. |
| 18:37.57 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: And comm. |
| 18:38.01 | Tornhoof | yeh |
| 18:38.08 | Kilroo | ulic: Will do. |
| 18:38.13 | Tornhoof | comm aien't the problem tbh |
| 18:38.14 | Tornhoof | just cpu |
| 18:38.33 | vhaarr | Tornhoof: it would be nice to see a proof of concept; I'm sure some people would use it despite the CPU usage |
| 18:38.43 | Tornhoof | optimizing/solvling 25 non linear equations for each second |
| 18:38.51 | Killmore | http://www.invictuswow.com/pics/killmore_ui.jpg |
| 18:38.52 | Tornhoof | well it's not possible in realtime |
| 18:39.00 | Tornhoof | atleast my original c++ version wasn't |
| 18:39.08 | NeoTron | anyone else seriously annoyed that for jewelcrafting prospecting autoloot seems to break after the first prospect? |
| 18:39.21 | Tornhoof | it works fairly well if you knwo the position of two players |
| 18:39.45 | Tornhoof | your party positions can be partially deduced from the minimap |
| 18:39.56 | Tornhoof | so this would be enough for calibration |
| 18:40.14 | vhaarr | I didn't think the minimap blips were accessible. |
| 18:40.26 | Tornhoof | not automatically |
| 18:40.29 | Tornhoof | just manually |
| 18:40.39 | vhaarr | how? |
| 18:40.50 | Tornhoof | you tlel your buddy to move like 10m this way |
| 18:40.56 | Tornhoof | until you form let's say a triangle |
| 18:41.01 | Divax | what mods do you guys to heal in raids? |
| 18:41.03 | vhaarr | actually |
| 18:41.12 | Killmore | perfectraid |
| 18:41.20 | Mikk | ^ |
| 18:41.29 | vhaarr | I think I just found a way to check the relative position of a nearby raid/party member without intensive CPU usage |
| 18:41.44 | Divax | awhile back i used emergancy monitor, but blizzard took that away |
| 18:41.47 | Tornhoof | hmm? |
| 18:41.55 | vhaarr | I'll have to try it out |
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| 18:42.32 | Tornhoof | the idea was for cthun back then, to actually guess/know positions of other players behind the eye |
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| 18:43.17 | kenlyric | Grid |
| 18:43.17 | Divax | What can perfectraid give that ct_raid can not? |
| 18:43.32 | Mikk | Less screen clutter and less cpu crunching |
| 18:43.32 | Arrowmaster | displaying shamans/paladins? |
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| 18:44.16 | Divax | oh |
| 18:44.29 | Arrowmaster | go read the grid wiki or try it |
| 18:44.36 | Tornhoof | vhaar, simply spoken, if you know your buddy is 10m exactly right of you, and the 3rd person is hitting the 10m range indicator for both you and your buddy at the same time, he can only be at two positions |
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| 18:45.00 | Tornhoof | the real math behind is is some instable atom system |
| 18:46.09 | vhaarr | yeah, but you don't know that in instances |
| 18:46.14 | Tornhoof | you do |
| 18:46.17 | Tornhoof | if you calibrate |
| 18:46.56 | Mikk | You need to keep testing different range tests for everyone in the raid all the time though |
| 18:47.01 | Tornhoof | yeh |
| 18:47.07 | Mikk | Like.. "can trade", "can bandage" ... |
| 18:47.09 | Tornhoof | and discard old values |
| 18:47.16 | Tornhoof | and accept time differences |
| 18:47.28 | Tornhoof | it's a mathematically messy |
| 18:47.32 | Tornhoof | but works in theory |
| 18:47.43 | Mikk | Aye, I've been toying with a collaborative system of working out when everyone is too |
| 18:47.49 | Tornhoof | but results get worse with every second |
| 18:47.50 | Mikk | Was back when we were getting wtfpwnd by ragnaros |
| 18:48.05 | Mikk | Then we l2pd and I forgot all about it :> |
| 18:48.14 | Tornhoof | yah |
| 18:48.18 | Tornhoof | similar here with cthun |
| 18:48.30 | Josh_Borke | someone write a table synchronizer for me |
| 18:49.48 | Tornhoof | the area of two intersecting circle segments is easy to calculate basically, you technically just need to do that for up to 24 values for each person, the more current data you get the smaller the intersectnig area for one person is |
| 18:50.08 | Josh_Borke | now why is this useful btw? |
| 18:50.51 | Tornhoof | knowing where everyone is? |
| 18:50.56 | Tornhoof | including possible enemies? |
| 18:51.01 | Tornhoof | nice to know ;) |
| 18:51.14 | kenlyric | information is power. |
| 18:52.28 | kenlyric | information is power, but power does not make victory. |
| 18:52.40 | ag` | If you want to check if a table exists, why is it better to do "if type(table) == "table" then" than just doing "if table then"? |
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| 18:53.00 | Ominous | i wld have thought if table but may be wrong |
| 18:53.09 | KarlThePagan | might not be a table |
| 18:53.16 | yacoob | anyone plays l2 here? |
| 18:53.24 | Josh_Borke | ag`: because it may not be a table? |
| 18:53.25 | KarlThePagan | otherwise if table is fine right? |
| 18:53.30 | ag` | if it is only yourself using it, why would it not be a table? |
| 18:53.38 | ag` | if you're certain it's table |
| 18:53.40 | Josh_Borke | mistakes happen |
| 18:53.46 | Josh_Borke | if you're certain, then if table then is fine |
| 18:53.58 | ag` | ok |
| 18:54.00 | vhaarr | ag`: for example with saved variables, you can never be certain |
| 18:54.28 | ag` | Yeah, for savedvars you never know |
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| 18:58.03 | nevyn1 | got a newb question |
| 18:58.12 | nevyn1 | I've installed cartographer, cart herb/mining, and dropped the note files in my savedvariables folder, but no herb/mine nodes are showing on my map |
| 18:58.22 | nevyn1 | anyone know what might fix this? |
| 18:58.23 | __Champ__ | where can i downlaod WoW Enus client? |
| 18:58.56 | hyperChipmunk | don't you do it with cartographer_import? |
| 18:58.56 | kergoth | nevyn1: do you actually have those professions? those modules wont load by default if you dont |
| 18:59.13 | nevyn1 | yes, i do have the proffesions |
| 18:59.21 | __Champ__ | where can i downlaod WoW Enus client? |
| 18:59.27 | __Champ__ | ops =/ |
| 18:59.31 | __Champ__ | srry |
| 18:59.38 | Fisker- | worldofwarcraft.com/account |
| 18:59.38 | Fisker- | :P |
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| 18:59.49 | Fisker- | bye then |
| 18:59.53 | kergoth | nevyn1: was your wow exited when you replaced the savedvars? :P |
| 18:59.56 | nevyn1 | as far as i know, chartographer_import is for importing gatherer data |
| 18:59.59 | Fisker- | so [Ammo] |
| 19:00.23 | Fisker- | Was Violation doing all that nifty stuff or was that WIP? |
| 19:00.24 | nevyn1 | yes, i was exited :) |
| 19:00.40 | nevyn1 | i think >.> |
| 19:01.15 | nevyn1 | hmm, what if I wasn't? exit, delete, and recopy? |
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| 19:13.44 | Kilroo | ulic: You there? |
| 19:15.52 | Kilroo | Guess not. |
| 19:15.52 | Kilroo | I'll look back in. |
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| 19:16.31 | ckknight | hey all |
| 19:16.36 | Cryect | hey |
| 19:16.53 | NeoTron | last night was my guilds first 1 night clear of Karazhan (4 hrs almost to the minute) |
| 19:16.56 | NeoTron | pretty cool |
| 19:17.25 | kergoth | NeoTron: grats |
| 19:17.30 | Ominous | right, what wld be the best grp system for my timer, DOTs, stuns, heals, blessings etc or Hostile, friendly |
| 19:24.12 | ckknight | I have an idea! |
| 19:24.23 | ckknight | where's stylpe or PProvost... |
| 19:24.57 | Josh_Borke | Cryect: gief your performance monitor with pretty graphs |
| 19:25.38 | kergoth | where'd fubar_classtimerfu go? |
| 19:26.23 | Cryect | >_> |
| 19:26.25 | Cryect | <_< |
| 19:26.36 | Cryect | heh Josh I was going to polish it up to release the other day and servers were down :-p |
| 19:26.38 | kenlyric | it's classtimers |
| 19:26.46 | kenlyric | since it is neither Fubar nor Fu. |
| 19:27.00 | Cryect | 2.1 was delayed to 22nd btw :( for those interested |
| 19:27.01 | Ominous | kergoth, ClassTimer now |
| 19:27.39 | Matrix110 | official? |
| 19:27.51 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:27.52 | Chompers | NeoTron |
| 19:27.53 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:28.06 | Cryect | you won't find it poste anywhere officially no, just from sources is all |
| 19:28.11 | Chompers | full clear...everything, even nightbane ? |
| 19:28.38 | kergoth | Cryect: :( |
| 19:28.53 | Cryect | They never officially post aimed released dates of patches also ;) |
| 19:29.04 | Matrix110 | thats why i asked:P |
| 19:29.52 | Josh_Borke | Cryect: hurry up and have it ready by 2.1 :-P |
| 19:30.46 | kergoth | so what available addons are there for viewing addon performance data in 2.1 atm? i remember hearing about some fubar plugin |
| 19:30.56 | Cryect | Josh_Borke: Hehe been lacking on bursts of inspiration to code addons then when I get it damn server is down :( |
| 19:31.00 | Ominous | kergoth: expo |
| 19:31.17 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:31.22 | CIA-23 | 03arrowmaster * r34891 10GoldenRun/GoldenRun.lua: |
| 19:31.22 | CIA-23 | GoldenRun: |
| 19:31.22 | CIA-23 | -can now select what types of instances to work in |
| 19:31.22 | CIA-23 | -commented out everything related to keybindings since it doesn't work yet |
| 19:31.36 | kergoth | Ominous: thanks |
| 19:31.46 | Josh_Borke | fubar performance |
| 19:32.06 | Fisker- | rawr Arrowmaster wats dat? |
| 19:32.29 | Arrowmaster | ever use Rowne's GoldenRun addon back in the day? |
| 19:33.01 | Cryect | On side note found out some things I need to redo in GraphLib from feedback (due to every command immediately forces a graph redraw instead of waiting 1 frame its possible that some orders of graph commands result in really slow performance took a while to figure that one out) |
| 19:33.01 | Fisker- | never Arrowmaster |
| 19:33.06 | Matrix110 | hmm Prat changes my FontSize suddenly when i logon to 13pt although the module is disabled |
| 19:33.06 | Ominous | kergoth: if you are using ClassTimer on test i will be very intereted how much memory it uses as i havent had time to check it yet |
| 19:33.07 | Matrix110 | weird |
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| 19:34.21 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: well the original let you double tap forward to enable autorun and double leftclick while holding down the right mouse button to enable autorun, ive got the double leftclicking while holding down right mouse working again in 2.0 |
| 19:35.27 | Fisker- | oh |
| 19:35.29 | Fisker- | thought it was some kind of instance addon :P |
| 19:35.35 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: really? |
| 19:35.37 | ckknight | awesome |
| 19:36.25 | Arrowmaster | still need to figure out the best way to hook the moveforward key |
| 19:38.01 | Arrowmaster | had some issues with doing SetOverrideBinding() at the wrong time before the keyup causing wow to think your always holding down moveforward |
| 19:39.24 | hyperChipmunk | http://69.14.77.214/ddoops.jpg O_o |
| 19:40.17 | ckknight | doesn't seem quite right, hyperChipmunk |
| 19:40.18 | Cryect | intersing armor |
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| 19:40.34 | ScriptNinja0 | Rats... |
| 19:41.08 | hyperChipmunk | ckknight: hehe, you noticed that too =) |
| 19:42.19 | Aenslaed | Does anyone know a good alternative to chronometer |
| 19:42.33 | hyperChipmunk | hm, looks like i need to update dogtags too |
| 19:43.01 | Kilroo | I've got maybe one more thing to try, but unless somehow I can set a temporary OnEvent (which I doubt) I don't think this is going to work... |
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| 19:45.01 | Ominous | Aenslaed: next patch ClassTiemr |
| 19:45.13 | Ominous | s/Tiemr/Timer/ |
| 19:45.26 | Arrowmaster | Kilroo: you still trying to do autoloot pickpocketing? |
| 19:46.28 | Kilroo | Arrowmaster: Yep...and it almost works. Sort of. The problem is apparently that if the macro both turns on autoloot and then turns it off again, there's no way to make the pickpocketing happen in between. Autoloot is back off by the time the loot comes up. |
| 19:46.59 | Arrowmaster | Kilroo: theres an addon on the svn called cutup, try it out |
| 19:47.13 | Kilroo | um...ok. |
| 19:48.02 | Kilroo | Oh sweet. Thanks. |
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| 19:59.19 | Saroz_ | Cryect, add interupts to bigbrother, so I can see which rogue kicks the channels and successfully interupts |
| 19:59.20 | Cryect | http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=11464 |
| 19:59.20 | Iceroth_ | getting the interrupt info (at least in pvp) is sucky |
| 19:59.20 | Saroz_ | so disable it |
| 19:59.20 | Iceroth_ | your client thinks you interrupted something but the server doesn't agree |
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| 20:09.52 | evl_ | ckknight: :( was it that bad |
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| 20:10.28 | ckknight | evl_: no, you're fine |
| 20:10.41 | evl_ | phew, my virgin asshole survives YET another commit |
| 20:10.53 | Megalon | you commited your asshole? |
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| 20:10.55 | Megalon | hm |
| 20:11.02 | Megalon | or tried another one |
| 20:11.07 | Megalon | to commit to your asshole? :P |
| 20:11.25 | [Ammo] | is it normal you can do the opera event multiple times now |
| 20:11.36 | [Ammo] | and do you get loot the second time? :) |
| 20:11.37 | evl_ | no :P |
| 20:11.40 | [Ammo] | ok |
| 20:11.43 | [Ammo] | because we can |
| 20:11.45 | [Ammo] | the curtain is down again |
| 20:11.51 | [Ammo] | door on other side is open |
| 20:11.52 | Ominous | Ammo: ur name looks odd with your new fangled @ :) |
| 20:11.55 | evl_ | ckknight: I'm trying to figure out why one doesn't get an icon when you target something that's in the middle of being casted |
| 20:11.57 | [Ammo] | and the announcer is there |
| 20:12.11 | Saroz_ | hax |
| 20:12.16 | Saroz_ | fixed in 2.1 IIRC |
| 20:12.53 | evl_ | Saroz_: who did you reply to just there? |
| 20:12.54 | [Ammo] | ok so it's broken? |
| 20:12.55 | hyperChipmunk | wtf put a @ next to ammo |
| 20:12.59 | Saroz_ | ofc Ammo |
| 20:13.03 | [Ammo] | cool |
| 20:13.06 | [Ammo] | because we had R&J |
| 20:13.08 | [Ammo] | wiped |
| 20:13.11 | [Ammo] | got Wolf |
| 20:13.16 | [Ammo] | it's silly |
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| 20:13.18 | Saroz_ | you wiped on R&J? |
| 20:13.25 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 20:13.27 | [Ammo] | moron healers |
| 20:13.30 | [Ammo] | lets heal 1 tank |
| 20:13.31 | [Ammo] | not 2 |
| 20:13.32 | Saroz_ | man, I tanked J, and I'm a pala, we had 2 priests |
| 20:13.35 | Saroz_ | thats all |
| 20:13.46 | [Ammo] | then we got wolf |
| 20:13.47 | [Ammo] | killed him |
| 20:14.05 | Kilroo | Awesome. |
| 20:14.05 | [Ammo] | and we can have him again |
| 20:14.06 | Saroz_ | hate wolf |
| 20:14.06 | Saroz_ | hate hate |
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| 20:14.07 | Kilroo | Now all I need is to be able to use my hearthstone from FuBar. |
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| 20:14.38 | hyperChipmunk | transporterfu used to do that |
| 20:15.08 | Matrix110 | Kilroo just type /use Hearthstone :P its not like you use the HS that often |
| 20:15.19 | Matrix110 | orwell atleast i dont as iam a mage:P |
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| 20:16.04 | Kilroo | I don't exactly use it -often-, no, but not being able to -use- it from the same place I look to remember where it's set...irks me. |
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| 20:16.43 | Matrix110 | ah |
| 20:17.01 | Silviu- | nymbia ! |
| 20:17.08 | nymbia | Silviu- ! |
| 20:17.15 | Silviu- | Your castbar is awsome :) |
| 20:17.16 | Kilroo | From what I was told the FuBar API makes it difficult to click on something to perform an action now. Frankly I'd be just as happy if I could trigger it from the context menu, but I don't know whether that's any easier. |
| 20:17.24 | Matrix110 | nymbia tell me how to leech data from armory i need my EU data:-( |
| 20:17.32 | Silviu- | Wtb option to disable icon :P |
| 20:17.39 | nymbia | Silviu-: thanks |
| 20:17.42 | nymbia | Silviu-: ok |
| 20:17.42 | Chompers | haw haw |
| 20:17.52 | Chompers | someones stolent Saroz' name |
| 20:17.52 | Matrix110 | tried to run the .lua with Lua 5.1 but it didnt work^^ |
| 20:17.57 | Kilroo | I think I might get rid of Visor though. |
| 20:18.08 | Silviu- | nymbia thank u :) |
| 20:18.46 | kebinusan | Matrix110: you need the lua sockets crap installed too I believe |
| 20:18.50 | nymbia | Matrix110: get luasocket from http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~diego/professional/luasocket/ |
| 20:18.59 | kebinusan | thar ye be |
| 20:19.01 | Matrix110 | ah thanks:) |
| 20:19.29 | Kilroo | I hadn't really noticed this before, but I think possibly -everything- I was doing with Visor--except moving a few minimap icons--either was using VisorButtons, which no longer exist, or was doing something that is handled by most of the available replacements for my VisorButtons. |
| 20:20.04 | vhaarr | ag`: ping |
| 20:20.58 | Kilroo | Ulic: If you're paying attention...scripting AutoLoot on and off didn't work because it would turn it back off before the loot window popped up, but if you don't want to hold down shift either, CutUp auto-autoloots when you pickpocket, so that combined with the standard pickpocket/stopcasting/opener macros works great. |
| 20:23.43 | Silviu- | nymbia can i ask for a few more tweaks to Quartz, like ... option to place GCD bar on top, and make the text from lagpart a little more vissible ? :) |
| 20:23.57 | nymbia | ok |
| 20:24.36 | Silviu- | And question, what did u ment by debuff filter in 2.1 ? |
| 20:24.42 | Silviu- | Something like antagonist ? |
| 20:24.52 | Silviu- | Or, Chronometer |
| 20:25.01 | nymbia | yeah chronometer-ish |
| 20:25.12 | nymbia | but using the new debuff display stuff |
| 20:25.21 | Silviu- | Okay :) |
| 20:25.23 | nymbia | so it'll be like.. accurate |
| 20:26.01 | CIA-23 | 03evl * r34892 10PitBull/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:26.01 | CIA-23 | PitBull |
| 20:26.02 | CIA-23 | - Fixed issue where cast bar icon was hidden when layout was applied and thus not showing the spell icon when a new target was selected in the middle of a spell cast. |
| 20:26.20 | evl_ | woot i'm on a roll today |
| 20:28.33 | CIA-23 | 03ag * r34893 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_UnitClass.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua): ag_UnitFrames: Rewrote event system |
| 20:28.51 | Silviu- | nymbia i think the casttime + interuppt time u can move it more in middle then the lagtime is more vissible |
| 20:31.20 | nymbia | Silviu-: hrm.. i should probably do some options for the text positions. |
| 20:31.26 | Silviu- | Yep or so |
| 20:31.27 | Silviu- | :) |
| 20:32.33 | Saroz_ | Chompers? |
| 20:32.47 | Saroz_ | nymbia, is that a castbar you are making btw? like ocb? |
| 20:33.50 | nymbia | Saroz_: yeah |
| 20:33.50 | Saroz | sweet |
| 20:33.50 | Saroz | does it work? |
| 20:33.52 | nymbia | as far as i know ;) |
| 20:33.58 | Saroz | and why is there an FPS module? |
| 20:34.06 | nymbia | O.o |
| 20:34.27 | Saroz | ok guess not, GCD module for sure |
| 20:35.10 | nymbia | heh |
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| 20:35.23 | nymbia | i think i'm gonna change how the GCD works by the way |
| 20:35.35 | Saroz | havnt downloaded it yet, so wouldnt know |
| 20:36.10 | CIA-23 | 03ominous * r34894 10OminousCastingBar/: OminousCastingBar: deleting as it dosent work and i dont have the time to make it work |
| 20:36.17 | CIA-23 | 03ag * r34895 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: drycoding is cool: error fix |
| 20:36.26 | nymbia | right now it just displays a 1.5 sec timer after UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT, which is fine most of the time, but when those spells fail to cast because of something the client doesnt know about (los), the timer fires anyway |
| 20:36.36 | Mikma | ag` gives agUF love |
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| 20:37.58 | nymbia | i'll probably require the user to enter a spell that they have that lives on the GCD and build the timer offa that |
| 20:38.54 | Arrowmaster | nymbia: global cooldown can be less than 1.5 seconds due to haste effects |
| 20:39.11 | nymbia | yeah |
| 20:39.52 | nymbia | it'll grab the cooldown info directly off the spell, duration included, so it should be dead-on |
| 20:40.04 | nymbia | while right now it's just a bad guess |
| 20:40.13 | Arrowmaster | but if you use a spell to check the gcd, if that spells school gets locked out then it will be off wont it |
| 20:40.18 | nymbia | drawback is that it requires configuration before it'll work |
| 20:40.55 | nymbia | Arrowmaster: i'll suggest using a 'special' spell like herb tracking |
| 20:42.21 | Kemayo | There isn't an easy way to return a random item from a table with non-numeric keys, is there? |
| 20:42.37 | Funkeh` | nymbia: isn't there a unit_spellcast_failed/interupted sent? |
| 20:43.26 | nymbia | Funkeh`: yeah, that's what it's using now, but there's no reliable way to determine if the spell actually triggered the GCD |
| 20:43.39 | Funkeh` | i see |
| 20:43.44 | vhaarr | ag`: ping |
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| 20:45.56 | [dRaCo] | a new castbar in town? |
| 20:45.59 | Matrix110 | hmmm how am i running the .lua file i think iam doing smth wrong... it just gives me weird errors |
| 20:46.43 | [dRaCo] | is your castbar fully usable yet, nymbia? |
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| 20:49.11 | CIA-23 | 03ag * r34896 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: bugfix |
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| 20:51.21 | pastamancer | nymbia: can you use UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED instead of UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT to start the GCD timer? |
| 20:52.29 | kebinusan | Im curious since spell haste affects channeled spells in 2.1, anyone know if it affects dot durations as well? |
| 20:53.46 | CIA-23 | 03kemayo * r34897 10FuBar_QuestsFu/Sound/Sound.lua: |
| 20:53.46 | CIA-23 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 20:53.46 | CIA-23 | -Sound: Drycodedly allow selection of sounds on a per-event basis. |
| 20:55.51 | nymbia | [dRaCo]: mostly |
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| 20:57.07 | nymbia | pastamancer: i'm gonna use ACTIONBAR_UPDATE_COOLDOWN and make the user input a spell or two to poll |
| 20:57.18 | [dRaCo] | capable of replacing my old cbripoff? ;) |
| 20:57.49 | nymbia | [dRaCo]: i dunno, try it out ;) it's not done, but what there is works pretty well |
| 20:58.02 | [dRaCo] | aight, got a name for me? |
| 20:58.03 | Ominous | nymbia: whats its name? |
| 20:58.07 | nymbia | Quartz |
| 20:59.18 | [dRaCo] | gotta love svn |
| 21:00.46 | m4rku5 | btw: what the heck does drycoding mean ? |
| 21:00.53 | Ominous | un tested |
| 21:01.07 | nymbia | push buttons and commit without seeing if it actually works |
| 21:01.40 | [dRaCo] | mostly happens when code at work ;) |
| 21:02.06 | [dRaCo] | s/when/when people/ |
| 21:02.45 | hyperChipmunk | it's when you're coding someplace other than the bathtub |
| 21:02.51 | m4rku5 | ah ok thanks ;) |
| 21:04.33 | CIA-23 | 03gagorian * r34898 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: |
| 21:04.33 | CIA-23 | DrDamage: |
| 21:04.33 | CIA-23 | -Added CogsBar support |
| 21:05.34 | [dRaCo] | uh, no way to disable the spell icon? :/ |
| 21:07.06 | [dRaCo] | and, may I suggest a little feature? |
| 21:11.27 | nymbia | [dRaCo]: there is in my local copy. ;) what feature? |
| 21:12.21 | [dRaCo] | something to move the castbar to the center of the screen |
| 21:12.35 | [dRaCo] | like, a button or maybe a scroll thingy |
| 21:12.54 | nymbia | i dont understand :( |
| 21:13.38 | [dRaCo] | I like my castbar totally centered |
| 21:13.58 | nymbia | oh so a button to just move it to dead center? |
| 21:14.25 | [dRaCo] | maybe one for vertical and one for horizontal center, but yeah |
| 21:14.47 | nymbia | ok |
| 21:16.18 | [dRaCo] | the rest looks great, btw |
| 21:17.03 | nymbia | thanks :) |
| 21:17.45 | ckknight | so I was thinking about PitBull layouts |
| 21:17.55 | ckknight | specifically portrait position |
| 21:18.00 | ckknight | and the Buu layout |
| 21:18.13 | ckknight | why not have the ABF layout allow the user to place the portrait at the top/bottom? |
| 21:18.37 | nymbia | that'd be doable for sure |
| 21:19.20 | [dRaCo] | *starts testing quartz* |
| 21:19.51 | nymbia | the gcd module is gonna be getting revamped by the way |
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| 21:23.21 | Funkeh` | its made by nymbia |
| 21:23.24 | Funkeh` | it must be good |
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| 21:24.47 | Saroz | Is it just me, or cant you disable Ace mods from the addon menu |
| 21:24.53 | Saroz | it wont save my "disabled" state |
| 21:24.53 | ckknight | you can |
| 21:24.58 | [dRaCo] | works fine for me |
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| 21:25.07 | nymbia | unless something's re-enabling them |
| 21:25.10 | Saroz | I enter the game, the addon is enabled, I exit and look at the addon menu, and it's checked again |
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| 21:25.20 | Saroz | yes but what, it's just my crappy "CooldownSpam" mod |
| 21:25.21 | ckknight | Saroz: there's something fucked up in the text file |
| 21:25.27 | Saroz | ohh |
| 21:25.27 | ckknight | could say : disabled |
| 21:25.29 | ckknight | or soemthing |
| 21:25.40 | [dRaCo] | my hearthstone triggers the gdc timer thingy :/ |
| 21:26.08 | Matrix110 | iam getting crazy with trying to running this dataminer bla-.- |
| 21:26.37 | Saroz | deleting addons.txt and trying again then |
| 21:26.40 | ulic | ckknight: just a suggestion, changed the pitbull RaidTarget module name to TargetIcon or some such, RaidTarget made me think it was something raid specific, but I did figure it out :) |
| 21:27.15 | ckknight | that's what blizzard calls it |
| 21:27.35 | ulic | crazy blizzard :) |
| 21:28.01 | art3mis | ive decided that im going to make "ltgmwaf" a common acronym |
| 21:28.26 | art3mis | like totally gag me with a fork |
| 21:28.35 | art3mis | and i shall use it any time someone says omg |
| 21:28.44 | pastamancer | shouldn't that be 'spoon'? |
| 21:28.49 | art3mis | no |
| 21:29.03 | art3mis | forks are better for gagging ;P |
| 21:29.05 | pastamancer | granted, I'm not fluent in valley |
| 21:29.12 | art3mis | fmswacs |
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| 21:29.20 | art3mis | fuck me softly with a chainsaw |
| 21:29.32 | art3mis | one of the great lines from Heathers. |
| 21:29.43 | nymbia | purl: ltgmwaf is <reply> like totally gag me with a ... spork |
| 21:29.45 | purl | nymbia: okay |
| 21:29.49 | nymbia | ~ltgmwaf |
| 21:29.51 | purl | like totally gag me with a ... spork |
| 21:29.56 | art3mis | hahah |
| 21:29.58 | art3mis | thanks! |
| 21:30.10 | art3mis | valley talk shall return on the intratubes! |
| 21:30.10 | nymbia | ;) |
| 21:30.25 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34899 10DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0.lua: DogTag-1.0 - fix the unit display when a unit doesn't exist |
| 21:30.39 | ZealotOnAStick | nymbia: tell me something about Quartz more than the toc desc has? |
| 21:30.40 | Matrix110 | nymbia how do i run the dataminer with the Standalone interpreter+luasocket i cant get it to work iam to noob for it looking on lua.org how to "run" a .lua file didnt really help me -.- |
| 21:30.41 | art3mis | i think i need to blow out my cat5 too, its all clogged with dust or something |
| 21:30.56 | art3mis | or dead packets |
| 21:31.02 | art3mis | if you leave them in there they rot |
| 21:31.08 | art3mis | and slow yer internet |
| 21:31.19 | NightHawkTheSane | well, taht happens if you let the tubes get clogged |
| 21:31.33 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: its got cast bar with modules for gcd and lag and (soon to be) debuff timers |
| 21:31.36 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34900 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull_Aura - only create fontstrings when they're needed. |
| 21:31.42 | NeoTron | does anyone know of a good guild roster export addon that includes notes, rank etc? |
| 21:31.58 | NeoTron | want to get something I can import into the guild website (for forum ranks and such) |
| 21:32.11 | ckknight | NeoTron: no, but it could very easily made using RollCall-1.0 |
| 21:33.15 | art3mis | anyone remember the site to get that wow phpbb template? |
| 21:33.16 | NeoTron | I'll check it |
| 21:33.22 | ZealotOnAStick | Is this something new in function, or is it an alternative to ecb/cbripoff/etc? |
| 21:34.06 | Matrix110 | NeoTron export armory data and replace the Rank 1, etc. with the actual rank name |
| 21:35.05 | NeoTron | Matrix110: I didn't know armory data had rank data at all |
| 21:35.11 | Matrix110 | it does |
| 21:35.14 | NeoTron | oh cool |
| 21:35.21 | Matrix110 | atleast last time i checked |
| 21:35.22 | NeoTron | I'll look at that |
| 21:35.35 | ulic | NeoTron: http://ace.pastey.net/25164 that's about 90% of what I use myself, edit as needed, although armory export would work fine too. |
| 21:36.10 | Matrix110 | armory page sucks-.- |
| 21:36.21 | Matrix110 | slow and hating my browser and make it crash |
| 21:36.21 | ulic | armory has rank numbers, but no names, you'd have to convert that. |
| 21:36.23 | NeoTron | I already have armory data integrated to a degree |
| 21:36.38 | NeoTron | yeah but that I can figure out in about 10 seconds :P |
| 21:37.03 | NeoTron | seems like 0 = GM and then go down from there |
| 21:37.07 | Matrix110 | Replace All: Rank 1 -> Officer Rank 2 -> Member |
| 21:37.12 | Matrix110 | etc. |
| 21:37.43 | Galka | Does anyone know of an auctioning addon that simply does the following: I have 17x Awesomely Useless Item. Because they aren't a nice 20stack, I sell them individually on the AH. Having to put in the min price and buyout price on all 17, one by one, is numbing. Is there an addon that remembers the price you've set for identical items during a session that springs to mind? |
| 21:37.46 | ulic | NeoTron: yep exactly |
| 21:38.00 | Matrix110 | Auctioneer Galka |
| 21:38.16 | Matrix110 | it even splits them up for you:P |
| 21:38.20 | ckknight | Galka: Auctioneer, maybe Fence |
| 21:38.35 | Matrix110 | but set Auctioneer to /auc load Auction House |
| 21:38.52 | NightHawkTheSane | fence does |
| 21:39.00 | NightHawkTheSane | fence will remember your prices across sessions, as will auctioneer, to be sure |
| 21:39.36 | Galka | Thank you for your replies. |
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| 21:44.17 | Funkeh` | shieldb: kill, collosus, tidecaller, witch, shatterer, on morogrim death |
| 21:50.19 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34901 10Quartz/ (Quartz-enUS.lua Quartz.lua): |
| 21:50.19 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 21:50.19 | CIA-23 | - Add options: hide icon, hide time text, icon position, name text position, time text position, time font size, lag text color/alpha. |
| 21:54.40 | Hjalte | Nymbia, does your castbar have anything fancy with it? :) |
| 21:55.16 | nymbia | at the moment there's a lag meter and gcd meter, there's gonna be target debuff timers too |
| 21:56.07 | vhaarr | nymbia: bah, should've told me you were making a casting bar, then I wouldn't have spent time fixing cbripoff :P |
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| 21:57.03 | ZealotOnAStick | Is this something new in function, or is it an alternative to ecb/cbripoff/etc? |
| 21:57.31 | nymbia | vhaarr: damn, sorry :( |
| 21:57.38 | vhaarr | :P |
| 21:57.48 | nymbia | vhaarr: it was a spur of the moment thing last night ;) |
| 21:58.21 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 21:59.18 | ulic | vhaarr: what exactly is cutup supposed to be doing with the ticktoxin? I don't see any bars. |
| 21:59.35 | kergoth | works fine here for wound or deadly |
| 21:59.49 | vhaarr | ulic: it's not my addon |
| 22:00.14 | ulic | oh, says rabbit in the about |
| 22:00.18 | ulic | oh that's credits my bad |
| 22:00.30 | CIA-23 | 03arrowmaster * r34902 10GoldenRun/GoldenRun.lua: GoldenRun: typo |
| 22:00.36 | kergoth | ulic: look at the forum thread, perhaps. |
| 22:01.30 | ulic | kergoth: I think I was just expecting it for crippling too, and it wasn't coming up, worked for wound |
| 22:01.31 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34903 10Quartz/ (Quartz-enUS.lua Quartz.lua): |
| 22:01.31 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 22:01.31 | CIA-23 | - Add snap to center option, which sticks the bar dead center along whichever axis. |
| 22:01.37 | nymbia | [dRaCo]: ^ |
| 22:02.29 | kergoth | ulic: ah, i think it uses the charge application event to do the timer |
| 22:02.51 | ulic | looks like there is code for Crippling |
| 22:03.01 | ulic | I'll have to dig around |
| 22:06.49 | [dRaCo] | great, thx nymbia |
| 22:07.40 | nymbia | sure |
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| 22:13.55 | [dRaCo] | nymbia: the snap to center stuff doesn't center the bar when the spell icon is hidden |
| 22:14.06 | [dRaCo] | like 10px to the right |
| 22:14.38 | nymbia | that's weird, i didnt think i included it in the width |
| 22:15.06 | nymbia | maybe scale's screwing it up, i'll check it out |
| 22:15.23 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34904 10DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0.lua: |
| 22:15.23 | CIA-23 | DogTag-1.0 - bugfix in :UpdateAllForUnit("unit") |
| 22:15.24 | CIA-23 | - added tag IsUnit(unit), which returns true if the units are equal or UnitIsUnit resolves. |
| 22:15.26 | [dRaCo] | if you need me to test anything, just submit it ;) |
| 22:15.52 | nymbia | [dRaCo]: try re-showing the icon then hit snap again, see if it moves |
| 22:16.06 | Kilroo | Ulic, did you get the bit about the autolooting before? |
| 22:16.24 | NeoTron | ah phpbb ranks from armory ranks completetd |
| 22:16.30 | [dRaCo] | aight |
| 22:16.46 | ulic | Kilroo: I saw someone mention cuter, installed it, works great with the loot feature. |
| 22:17.01 | Kilroo | ok, good. |
| 22:17.25 | ulic | did you check it out? |
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| 22:18.28 | Kilroo | Yeah I've been using it since right after it was mentioned, hehe. My macro-method doesn't work because no matter how I make the macro, apparently, if I enable and then disable autoloot, those both happen before the loot window comes up. |
| 22:18.45 | ulic | NeoTron: mind sending my a pastey or something of your code for that? |
| 22:18.55 | Kilroo | But Cutup does quite nicely. And I'm probably up to like 75 addons now. |
| 22:18.57 | Bam__ | ckknight: does Cartographer attempt to move the Minimap? |
| 22:19.03 | ckknight | no |
| 22:19.06 | Kilroo | dinnertime. Bai. |
| 22:19.18 | Bam__ | it moves upwards when I close the map :/ |
| 22:19.21 | ulic | Kilroo: yea, it's got an event delay in there to toggle it back on after a second or so. |
| 22:19.40 | kergoth | anyone done an addon to disable autoloot in instances and enable it outside instances? |
| 22:19.51 | kergoth | or just disable it in groups perhaps, but instances would be better |
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| 22:20.58 | [dRaCo] | nymbia: tested again, but I keep getting that 10px to the right thingy |
| 22:21.27 | Bam__ | ckknight: it's Jostle that does it |
| 22:21.34 | ckknight | right. |
| 22:21.54 | Bam__ | though I've told FuBar not to auto-adjust |
| 22:21.54 | [dRaCo] | castbar is @ 200x18, if that's of any interest |
| 22:22.01 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 22:22.28 | wallen | Is there anyone that's slightly experienced with Sony Vegas around? |
| 22:22.39 | Bam__ | have now fooled it by doing Minimap.SetPoint = function()end :) |
| 22:22.49 | Bam__ | MinimapCluster that is |
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| 22:25.25 | nymbia | [dRaCo]: hrm, odd. |
| 22:26.13 | [dRaCo] | can u reproduce that behaviour or is it just me? |
| 22:26.23 | nymbia | i can't :( |
| 22:27.18 | nymbia | it may be related to the width measurement i used not being quite dead-on with the scale |
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| 22:30.12 | [dRaCo] | seems trivial, but shouldn't something like (ScreenX / 2) - (Barwidth / 2) as left anchor work? |
| 22:31.18 | nymbia | yeah that's what it does |
| 22:31.40 | ag` | yay, I am going to get raped when 2.1 comes out |
| 22:31.55 | [dRaCo] | weird... I'm using ui scale 1, so that shouldn't cause problems |
| 22:31.55 | ckknight | ag`: ? |
| 22:32.23 | ag` | ckknight: all ace stuff is dumped on the first addon in the new blizzard meter |
| 22:32.33 | ckknight | ah |
| 22:32.34 | ckknight | ...yea |
| 22:32.49 | ckknight | hook GetAddonCPUUsage :-P |
| 22:32.54 | nymbia | rofl |
| 22:32.55 | ulic | time for a new name :) |
| 22:33.07 | ag` | nah, I will just rename and dump the turd on someone else! |
| 22:33.22 | Megalon | dump it on ktm! |
| 22:33.24 | [dRaCo] | grmpf, spamsentry's lists break clockfu o0 |
| 22:33.31 | Megalon | noone will notice :P |
| 22:33.33 | ag` | kergoth: standalone didn't fix it for me |
| 22:33.44 | kergoth | ah, that sucks |
| 22:33.54 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34905 10DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0.lua: DogTag-1.0 - assorted bugfixes to mouseoverisms. |
| 22:33.59 | ag` | ah, forgot to delete libs inside |
| 22:34.29 | ckknight | [dRaCo]: works for me |
| 22:34.46 | ckknight | ag`: why don't standalones fix it for you? |
| 22:34.52 | ag` | one sec |
| 22:35.12 | ag` | forgot to strip |
| 22:35.48 | [dRaCo] | o0 |
| 22:36.01 | [dRaCo] | spamsentry's gui is also broken |
| 22:36.15 | [dRaCo] | guess I'll just delete it and start over again |
| 22:36.29 | kergoth | spamsentry has annoying thing.. you cant report just one person on the list, if you click them, then click report, it reports all. annoying, if you want the full message for blizz |
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| 22:40.54 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34906 10DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0.lua: DogTag-1.0 - optimization for mouseover unhover |
| 22:43.12 | ulic | kergoth: I just report when I get a message, and if I get more before the GM clears it, just toss em an wait for the next, but I agree with you. |
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| 22:43.54 | Gnarfoz | so nihilum killed the first 2 BT bosses on PTR oO |
| 22:44.30 | ag` | 508kb |
| 22:44.30 | vhaarr | (without GM help) |
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| 22:45.11 | Megalon | haha, that caster dagger |
| 22:45.13 | Megalon | one-hand |
| 22:45.26 | kergoth | man that netherwing grind to exalted is gonna take ages |
| 22:45.28 | Gnarfoz | no reason to say anything about it if it had been DT oO |
| 22:45.30 | Megalon | didn't they recently patch all weapons with spelldamage to Mainhand only? |
| 22:47.29 | [dRaCo] | they are going to with 2.10, afaik |
| 22:47.40 | [dRaCo] | no more dw-ing healing daggers :/ |
| 22:48.06 | kaiden | am i the only one with a broken QuestFu? |
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| 22:48.25 | Gnarfoz | nope, only one with QuestFu at all |
| 22:48.32 | kaiden | lol |
| 22:48.36 | kaiden | what's better? :) |
| 22:48.43 | kergoth | damn nymbia, Quartz is hot |
| 22:48.46 | kergoth | nice job |
| 22:48.48 | ckknight | I use QuestsFu |
| 22:48.54 | Chompers | questfu is great |
| 22:49.10 | nymbia | kergoth: thanks :) |
| 22:49.21 | kaiden | i guess it's because i use the externals instead of having them as seperate mods |
| 22:51.55 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34907 10Quartz/ (GCD.lua Quartz-enUS.lua Quartz.lua): |
| 22:51.55 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 22:51.55 | CIA-23 | - Revamped GCD module. |
| 22:51.55 | CIA-23 | - PROS: actually accurate. |
| 22:51.55 | CIA-23 | - CONS: requires user input of spell(s) to check for the GCD. |
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| 22:52.48 | Megalon | [dRaCo]: yea, but i just so http://www.nihilum.eu/image/2121/ one-hand on the ptr :x |
| 22:52.57 | Megalon | saw |
| 22:53.22 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34908 10Quartz/GCD.lua: |
| 22:53.22 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 22:53.22 | CIA-23 | - Make sure spell settings are applied. |
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| 22:53.51 | Bam__ | nymbia: ManufacSnoop has PeriodicTable-3.0 as non-optional dependency... is that on purpose? |
| 22:54.29 | nymbia | Bam__: nope, thanks for letting me know |
| 22:54.58 | Bam__ | np |
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| 22:55.27 | kergoth | manufacsnoop? |
| 22:55.35 | stavmar | sorry if this was asked, is something wrong with WAU updater in indexing the files? |
| 22:56.19 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34909 10ManufacSnoop/ManufacSnoop.toc: |
| 22:56.19 | CIA-23 | ManufacSnoop: |
| 22:56.19 | CIA-23 | - toc corrections, thanks Bam! |
| 22:56.45 | Bam__ | my mage is stuck on level 63.. everytime I go to play... I start messing with addons lol |
| 22:56.45 | nymbia | kergoth: it basically just uses pt to show the craftables for professions you don't have in the manufac menu |
| 22:56.57 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34910 10PitBull/ (Experience/Experience.lua Layouts/ABF.lua PitBull.lua): |
| 22:56.57 | CIA-23 | PitBull - update Dewdrop after a layout update is complete |
| 22:56.57 | CIA-23 | PitBull_Experience - remove experience text |
| 22:56.58 | CIA-23 | PitBull_Layouts/ABF - add experience text |
| 22:59.04 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:59.07 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 22:59.20 | nymbia | i need to finish it, heh |
| 22:59.51 | nymbia | gonna make it show the items you can't make from your current professions, too |
| 23:00.09 | Bam__ | ah so it's not recommended to use yet? |
| 23:00.35 | nymbia | it works fine for what it can do |
| 23:00.46 | nymbia | it's just not feature-complete yet |
| 23:00.46 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34911 10PitBull/Layouts/ABF.lua: PitBull_Layouts/ABF - tweak |
| 23:00.46 | Bam__ | ok |
| 23:00.54 | nymbia | oh and there's some data that needs to be built in PT, too |
| 23:01.02 | nymbia | for uh.. poisons and smelting |
| 23:01.07 | ulic | is the XP text now a toggle? or editable? |
| 23:01.11 | nymbia | those're missing at the moment |
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| 23:02.51 | ckknight | ulic: yea, it has options now |
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| 23:04.20 | kaiden | ugh dunno what was updated but i'm having random stuff throwing Dewdrop-2.0 errors all of a sudden for (args.Sound.args.progress.args.toggle: "type" must be a string |
| 23:04.53 | nymbia | questsfu if i had to guess |
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| 23:10.38 | Bam__ | nymbia: an option to set frame scale for Quartz would be nice if it's possible :) |
| 23:11.19 | nymbia | Bam__: sure |
| 23:11.26 | Bam__ | :P |
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| 23:14.30 | Kilroo | I wound up going with nQuestLog over QuestsFu after all. Got used to it quicker. |
| 23:15.13 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34912 10PitBull/ (Layouts/ABF.lua Reputation/Reputation.lua): PitBull_Reputation - move text into Layouts/ABF. |
| 23:15.20 | Bam__ | if you are a lazy quester like me, give qComment a try too :P |
| 23:15.49 | Kilroo | dunno what that is. I'm getting good use out of LightHeaded though. |
| 23:16.06 | Bam__ | I dunno that that is lol |
| 23:16.23 | cladhaire | same thing as qcomment |
| 23:16.29 | Bam__ | ah |
| 23:16.32 | cladhaire | but more up to date and imho better |
| 23:16.42 | Kilroo | Heh |
| 23:16.46 | Bam__ | and works with nQuestLog? |
| 23:16.50 | cladhaire | yes |
| 23:16.52 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 23:16.53 | ckknight | you're just saying that cause you wrote it :-P |
| 23:17.04 | Bam__ | cool will give it a try... im such a lazy quester :P |
| 23:17.11 | cladhaire | ckknight: I'm saying it cause I used it :P |
| 23:17.13 | ckknight | I use LightHeaded, it's pretty nice |
| 23:17.13 | Bam__ | im just not into riddles :P |
| 23:17.16 | cladhaire | and wrote it for my needs specifically |
| 23:17.20 | nymbia | well if it was written for the purpose of being better.. then it's probably better ;) |
| 23:17.20 | cladhaire | the parser was LOTS of fun :P |
| 23:17.34 | cladhaire | wowhead went all xhtml compliant in a prior update |
| 23:17.35 | ckknight | cladhaire: can I make a suggestion? |
| 23:17.38 | cladhaire | had to update most of the conditions. |
| 23:17.51 | cladhaire | sure |
| 23:18.02 | ckknight | cladhaire: information on the exp gain from the quest would be nice |
| 23:18.07 | cladhaire | aye |
| 23:18.09 | cladhaire | i have everything |
| 23:18.13 | cladhaire | literally.. all details of each quest :P |
| 23:18.18 | cladhaire | just a matter of choosing what to bring in -game |
| 23:18.26 | cladhaire | wish we have unique qids tho |
| 23:18.27 | cladhaire | thats the main problem |
| 23:18.28 | ckknight | hrm... and it's in LightHeaded now? |
| 23:18.33 | ckknight | ah, yea |
| 23:18.46 | cladhaire | no, i have a lua table containing all quest information |
| 23:18.53 | nymbia | cladhaire: when did they do that? |
| 23:19.06 | cladhaire | requirements, rewards, textures for rewards, faction, exp, gold |
| 23:19.07 | cladhaire | full text |
| 23:19.10 | cladhaire | neat stuff :P |
| 23:19.14 | cladhaire | nymbia: a few weeks ago |
| 23:19.34 | nymbia | they probably broke the pt3 dataminer too, then.. damn. |
| 23:19.49 | Bam__ | they still use lots of JavaScript... isn't that what you parse mostly, nymbia? |
| 23:20.12 | cladhaire | it wasn't all over the place |
| 23:20.13 | nymbia | yeah |
| 23:20.15 | cladhaire | just in select locations |
| 23:20.19 | cladhaire | and not in the jscript at all |
| 23:20.22 | cladhaire | that's still formed the same |
| 23:20.59 | nymbia | phew |
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| 23:22.40 | CIA-23 | 03kemayo * r34913 10FuBar_QuestsFu/Sound/Sound.lua: |
| 23:22.41 | CIA-23 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 23:22.41 | CIA-23 | -Sound: Let us remember that "type" is a reserved key in aceoptions. |
| 23:23.07 | Kemayo | kaiden: That should fix your complaint. |
| 23:25.01 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r34914 10Quartz/ (GCD.lua Quartz-enUS.lua Quartz.lua): |
| 23:25.01 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 23:25.01 | CIA-23 | - Add an option for scaling. |
| 23:25.01 | CIA-23 | - Clamp the parent frame to the screen. |
| 23:25.02 | nymbia | Bam__: ^ |
| 23:25.08 | Bam__ | yea? |
| 23:25.15 | Bam__ | ohhh thanks :) |
| 23:25.21 | nymbia | :) |
| 23:26.13 | Kemayo | ckknight: Is there any reason for Dewdrop to hold "type" as a reserved key of group.args? |
| 23:26.25 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r34915 10PitBull/Spark/Spark.lua: PitBull_Spark - don't freak out when the manaBar is disabled |
| 23:26.40 | ckknight | Kemayo: it's not |
| 23:26.57 | ckknight | Kemayo: if you look at his error: args.Sound.args.progress.args.toggle: "type" must be a string |
| 23:27.13 | ckknight | it shows that it's not referencing args, but args.toggle |
| 23:27.37 | beerke | What would be the easies way to make a timed loop in a macro ? |
| 23:28.22 | Kemayo | ckknight: Pesky reality. |
| 23:28.25 | CIA-23 | 03kemayo * r34916 10FuBar_QuestsFu/Sound/Sound.lua: |
| 23:28.25 | CIA-23 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 23:28.25 | CIA-23 | -Sound: If I have to read the error messages then the terrorists have won. |
| 23:28.44 | chutwig | it's true |
| 23:28.52 | evulhotdog | how do you play sounds? |
| 23:28.59 | ckknight | PlaySound(file) |
| 23:29.09 | evulhotdog | how would i play it on my computer tho? |
| 23:29.30 | Kemayo | And PlaySoundFile(file). Though I can't remember what the difference is off the top of my head. |
| 23:30.12 | Bam__ | you just place an mp3 file in a folder below Interface, right? |
| 23:30.58 | Kemayo | Yup. It has to be there before the game launches, too. |
| 23:31.54 | ckknight | ah, PlaySound("CONSTANT") |
| 23:31.58 | ckknight | and PlaySoundFile("file") |
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| 23:33.18 | Bam__ | I noticed on wowhead's todo-list that they plan to make a Developer API |
| 23:33.33 | Bam__ | maybe they are getting tired of all us screen scrapers lol |
| 23:33.57 | cladhaire | heh |
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| 23:34.47 | nymbia | that's been on there since wowhead went up :( |
| 23:34.53 | Bam__ | oh |
| 23:35.58 | Bam__ | just give us direct access to their database and we won't steel their web-bandwidth :D |
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| 23:36.21 | nymbia | haha yeah |
| 23:36.48 | cladhaire | i'm a good parser |
| 23:36.51 | cladhaire | only pull about 7k pages |
| 23:36.59 | pastamancer | the everquest item database I run provides nightly dumps |
| 23:37.02 | cladhaire | and parse offline completely |
| 23:37.29 | pastamancer | sadly SoE broke the packet sniffer recently |
| 23:38.07 | Bam__ | lol |
| 23:38.22 | sylvanaar | good morning folks |
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| 23:38.34 | Bam__ | you sniffed the net communication between the client and the server? |
| 23:38.56 | pastamancer | yeah |
| 23:39.07 | pastamancer | it was either that or scan the memory |
| 23:39.16 | Mikk | :O |
| 23:39.22 | sylvanaar | for what? |
| 23:39.23 | Mikk | no way to get info out of eq? |
| 23:39.24 | Bam__ | dont they have a strict EULA like WoW does? :P |
| 23:39.33 | pastamancer | of course it's against the EULA |
| 23:39.38 | Mikk | Bam__: And? All item db sites violate it =P |
| 23:39.38 | Bam__ | :P |
| 23:39.43 | pastamancer | but packet sniffers aren't detectable |
| 23:39.54 | Bam__ | Mikk: really? |
| 23:40.03 | pastamancer | really really |
| 23:40.10 | Mikk | Aye, they all scan through the mpq files to get some of the info they have |
| 23:40.32 | Bam__ | ahh like that ... hmm is that strictly a violation? |
| 23:41.58 | Bam__ | I assume it was because of those sites too that they implemented the disconnect when looking up an item not yet seen by the server |
| 23:42.11 | pastamancer | quite so |
| 23:42.27 | pastamancer | everquest got around item link mining by adding a hash to item links |
| 23:42.28 | cladhaire | well |
| 23:42.38 | cladhaire | the person that does the parsing is violating the ToU |
| 23:42.41 | cladhaire | not the EULA |
| 23:43.02 | Bam__ | any differense really? |
| 23:43.05 | cladhaire | if they don't play the game, that doesn't matter |
| 23:43.14 | Bam__ | yea ok |
| 23:43.17 | cladhaire | yes, because the person who copies the .wdb files to anothe rperson is violating copyright |
| 23:43.48 | Bam__ | well once files are out, there isn't much Blizzard can do to prevent such stuff |
| 23:43.51 | cladhaire | those files fall under game data, and you as the user have no rights via copyright law, or relaxations in that law via the eula to make non-fair use copies. |
| 23:43.56 | cladhaire | no, that's why they don't |
| 23:44.03 | cladhaire | doesn't mean its not in violation |
| 23:44.05 | cladhaire | =) |
| 23:44.10 | cladhaire | ahh what a tangled web :P |
| 23:44.20 | Bam__ | besides those sites most likely help Blizzard anyway :P |
| 23:45.24 | sylvanaar | sounds like reprinting a magazine article without permission, or a movie |
| 23:45.33 | cladhaire | it is |
| 23:45.37 | cladhaire | standard copyright law |
| 23:45.56 | Bam__ | but it's also free advertising for Blizzard... so I doubt they mind too much |
| 23:46.05 | _art3mis | are we talking about emulators and eula again? |
| 23:46.10 | cladhaire | no |
| 23:46.13 | cladhaire | we're talking about copyright law |
| 23:46.22 | cladhaire | and copying of cache files, actually |
| 23:46.44 | sylvanaar | and most software has a no reverse engineering type clause in the liscense |
| 23:47.04 | cladhaire | RE is a different thing entirely =) |
| 23:47.14 | _art3mis | you mean that subjective law that varieds from country to country and if you didnt take steps to ensure the copyright in a country you hold no jusidicition not to mention should the item be used in those same said countries they can get diseminated without your consent because you don't technically own them o a local scale? |
| 23:47.34 | cladhaire | _art3mis: We're clearly talking about the US copyright laws |
| 23:47.36 | cladhaire | so stop please. |
| 23:47.41 | Bam__ | :O |
| 23:47.43 | cladhaire | If you're in Germany, you can do whatever the hell you want |
| 23:47.43 | _art3mis | you're also talking about wow and wdbs |
| 23:47.46 | cladhaire | Yes, |
| 23:47.48 | cladhaire | and I'm in the US |
| 23:47.53 | cladhaire | so I'm speaking from my context |
| 23:47.57 | cladhaire | which isn't grey, its black and white. |
| 23:47.59 | _art3mis | which primarily started in romania as support for wowemu ;P |
| 23:48.05 | _art3mis | so nyah! |
| 23:48.07 | Bam__ | I think I need to read that sentence a few times lol |
| 23:48.14 | cladhaire | well, i'm not talking about that so *shrug* |
| 23:48.15 | cladhaire | heh |
| 23:48.19 | sylvanaar | lol wowemu |
| 23:48.21 | cladhaire | clearly you have ... zeal. |
| 23:48.22 | art3mis | try to read it with the mispelt words done correctly ;) |
| 23:48.35 | art3mis | itll make more sense |
| 23:48.46 | art3mis | pirate at heart baby |
| 23:48.49 | art3mis | pirate at heart |
| 23:49.19 | Bam__ | ah well... I no longer feel bad about mining from those sites now :P |
| 23:49.21 | art3mis | so since ive derailed it a good amount |
| 23:49.31 | art3mis | what was the orignal thing? |
| 23:49.32 | cladhaire | heh |
| 23:49.42 | Bam__ | I forgot lol |
| 23:49.42 | sylvanaar | i find it amazing that the wow client isnt even packed |
| 23:50.01 | art3mis | it does crcs though |
| 23:50.06 | art3mis | evil evil crcs |
| 23:50.13 | Mikk | you mean wow.exe? |
| 23:50.13 | Gnarfoz | overhead, it's already starting slow enough ;> |
| 23:50.16 | Bam__ | oh yea we talked about wowhead saying they will implement a Developer API |
| 23:50.16 | pastamancer | it's not so bad |
| 23:50.18 | art3mis | granted the scheme was hacked |
| 23:50.23 | art3mis | but still |
| 23:50.27 | Bam__ | but apparently they said that for a loooong time |
| 23:50.31 | sylvanaar | oh that litte worm/viruse hybrid it brings down ^.^ |
| 23:50.34 | Mikk | well.. wow.exe size compared to the data files = lol? who cares =P |
| 23:50.55 | art3mis | the wowex vs the amount of entries in the dbase files |
| 23:51.04 | art3mis | as well as character count yadda yadda yadda |
| 23:51.20 | art3mis | get mpq editor and change one letter |
| 23:51.20 | Gnarfoz | Mikk: same people that care about addon file numbers or size compared to the size of the client in total or even the size of hard disks today |
| 23:51.27 | art3mis | i bet yer wow wont start ;P |
| 23:51.57 | Mikk | Gnarfoz: But addon size does count since Lua loads slowly :> |
| 23:52.10 | Gnarfoz | -___- |
| 23:52.17 | art3mis | imagine how different it would be if it was tcl ;P |
| 23:52.22 | Mikk | (But yeah.. that's a speed issue, not a size one) |
| 23:52.25 | sylvanaar | its just the way they coded thier loader for addons |
| 23:52.29 | Gnarfoz | indeed it is :) |
| 23:52.39 | Bam__ | would it be much better if wow allowed precompiled Lua files? |
| 23:52.41 | Gnarfoz | which they improved for 2.1, right? :) |
| 23:52.45 | Mikk | Bam__: nop |
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| 23:53.08 | sylvanaar | they are spamming as many overlapped reads as they system will let them from what i can tell |
| 23:53.23 | Mikk | .... err ok |
| 23:53.28 | Mikk | that's.... an interesting approach |
| 23:53.44 | Gnarfoz | NCQ/TCQ ftw |
| 23:53.47 | sylvanaar | while loading the mpq file data |
| 23:53.53 | Bam__ | so now when you start wow, you can forget doing anything else? :D |
| 23:53.57 | Gnarfoz | let the hard drives sort it all out :D |
| 23:54.12 | sylvanaar | they are enumerating every single file in the wow folder |
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| 23:54.53 | sylvanaar | then going through and marking off tocs |
| 23:55.12 | sylvanaar | (this takes another pass for some reason) |
| 23:55.13 | Mikk | Bam__: well, ok, precompiled lua does help a bit.. but it also depends on what you're loading.. if you're loading something that creates lots of tables etc, the memory manager overhead easily becomes the major source of time spent |
| 23:55.24 | Bam__ | yea |
| 23:55.25 | Mikk | Feel free to toy around with command line Lua |
| 23:55.42 | Bam__ | I do... but never with performance in mind :P |
| 23:56.02 | Mikk | Well, I had to worry about it a bit with WoWBench |
| 23:56.38 | Mikk | What it does is takes .xml data, translates to .lua, and then precompiles everything |
| 23:56.42 | Mikk | So loading FrameXML is really only one single load of a precompiled lua |
| 23:56.59 | Mikk | Should be "fast"... but all the nested data structures means lots of mem crunching |
| 23:57.07 | Bam__ | in WoWBench you mean? |
| 23:57.09 | Mikk | yes |
| 23:57.47 | Mikk | A saner approach would have been having the xml handler in a C backend (looking much more like WoW) ... but that defeated the purpose of being easily hackable by addon devs, who know Lua |
| 23:58.39 | Bam__ | so are you going to update it? :P |
| 23:58.42 | Mikk | Besides, at the time I got the idea, I just got one of those "oh man this is so fucked up I just gotta test if it works" flashes :> |
| 23:58.46 | Mikk | Arf |
| 23:58.53 | Mikk | I really should, shouldn't I? >.< |
| 23:58.57 | Bam__ | yup |
| 23:59.07 | Bam__ | it's a pain to test things in WoW :P |
| 23:59.12 | Mikk | mhm |
| 23:59.28 | Bam__ | especially if you need to be in combat :/ |
| 23:59.33 | Mikk | ugh bleh |
| 23:59.49 | Bam__ | so I'd like to see all the new attributes implemented :P |
