| 00:00.24 | kebinusan | get niagra |
| 00:00.25 | kenlyric | stupid party frame, go away! |
| 00:00.42 | kebinusan | *Niagara |
| 00:01.27 | nymbia | Funkeh`: WHAT |
| 00:01.27 | nymbia | Funkeh`: SCREW YOU |
| 00:01.27 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35087 10Quartz/Quartz.lua: |
| 00:01.27 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 00:01.27 | CIA-23 | - Disable instead of hide some options. |
| 00:01.45 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 00:02.09 | Funkeh` | nah its ok |
| 00:02.11 | Funkeh` | it works good |
| 00:02.24 | nymbia | ;) |
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| 00:02.43 | Funkeh` | i don't understand what hide name text does though |
| 00:02.53 | Funkeh` | clicking on/off has no effect |
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| 00:04.11 | nymbia | really? lemme see |
| 00:04.57 | nymbia | wait.. where's that option? |
| 00:05.38 | Funkeh` | in the dewdrop menu |
| 00:05.40 | Funkeh` | :s |
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| 00:06.17 | nymbia | where in the menu? |
| 00:06.48 | nymbia | the buffs one? |
| 00:07.24 | Funkeh` | in the dewdrop menu |
| 00:07.26 | CIA-23 | 03funkydude * r35088 10Incubator/Core.lua: Incubator: fix comma |
| 00:07.30 | Funkeh` | its on the main one |
| 00:07.33 | Funkeh` | no sub-menu |
| 00:07.54 | nymbia | Funkeh`: you on ptrs? |
| 00:08.25 | Funkeh` | nop |
| 00:08.25 | Funkeh` | hold on |
| 00:08.25 | Funkeh` | its gone now |
| 00:08.25 | Funkeh` | wtf |
| 00:08.27 | nymbia | rofl |
| 00:08.37 | nymbia | screenshot it if it comes up again |
| 00:08.48 | Funkeh` | will do |
| 00:08.55 | Megalon | yea, screenshot or it didn't happen!11 |
| 00:09.31 | Funkeh` | ok |
| 00:09.36 | Funkeh` | it was name text position |
| 00:09.39 | Funkeh` | time text position |
| 00:09.42 | Funkeh` | hide time text |
| 00:09.45 | Funkeh` | hide name text |
| 00:09.52 | Funkeh` | now theres no hide name text :p |
| 00:10.05 | nymbia | there never was any hide name text! ;p |
| 00:10.13 | nymbia | except in the buffs module |
| 00:10.19 | Gagorian | Less crack! |
| 00:11.44 | nymbia | i should add one though |
| 00:11.50 | nymbia | and organize those options a bit better |
| 00:12.07 | nymbia | after magtheridon. |
| 00:13.37 | Amadeo | I think game developers should announce release dates way in advance of when they think they'll be done...so instead of delaying things, they can look better and bring them to the market ahead of schedule or even on time |
| 00:14.30 | Bam__ | I don't think marketing department agrees with that :P |
| 00:15.19 | Amadeo | Marketing is dumb! |
| 00:15.29 | Amadeo | Everyone hates a delay! |
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| 00:16.33 | Bam__ | yes... but everybody expects them too :P |
| 00:16.58 | hyperChipmunk | i think they sold more tshirts than games |
| 00:17.10 | Amadeo | Romero's wife ditched him! |
| 00:17.16 | Gagorian | I think nobody played the game for more than an hour |
| 00:17.24 | Gagorian | Torture! |
| 00:17.55 | Amadeo | She bought herself a new body and found herself a new baby daddy, someone who doesn't make cell phone games |
| 00:18.05 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35089 10Quartz/Quartz.lua: |
| 00:18.05 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 00:18.05 | CIA-23 | - Set the font on the time text regardless of if it's shown or not. |
| 00:18.21 | ZealotOnAStick | Romero's wife leaving him wasn't much of a surprise to most people in Dallas in the games industry, though. |
| 00:18.33 | Amadeo | ZealotOnAStick: The soap opera? |
| 00:18.34 | ZealotOnAStick | She's a using golddigging wench. |
| 00:18.51 | ZealotOnAStick | I know one of the guys she dated and lived with, who she dumped to date Romero. |
| 00:19.02 | Amadeo | hah |
| 00:19.04 | Aenslaed | which wife? |
| 00:19.12 | Aenslaed | killcreek or whatever |
| 00:19.13 | Aenslaed | ? |
| 00:19.24 | ZealotOnAStick | The cheerleader who got the nose and boob job. |
| 00:19.29 | Aenslaed | yeah, thats it |
| 00:19.32 | Aenslaed | killcreek |
| 00:19.55 | Amadeo | Isn't Romero working on a new PC game or something? |
| 00:20.36 | Aenslaed | after daikatana... its impossible to view anything from him as more than wait and see |
| 00:20.41 | abyssichate | yeah |
| 00:20.51 | abyssichate | http://www.thecpl.com/severity/ |
| 00:21.03 | abyssichate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwE89BM7Nnw |
| 00:21.16 | Aenslaed | love that website! |
| 00:22.01 | Aenslaed | could he at least look into the camera? -_- |
| 00:22.26 | Amadeo | that's the first time I've seen him talk |
| 00:22.49 | Amadeo | Aenslaed: You'd think they could at least have better letters created :P |
| 00:23.07 | Aenslaed | yeah. |
| 00:23.13 | abyssichate | Hasn't he got some kind of sight defect? |
| 00:23.33 | Aenslaed | If you say he does, I would believe you right now |
| 00:23.51 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 00:23.56 | Amadeo | his vision of Daikatana was fucked |
| 00:24.08 | abyssichate | it was the most overhyped game ever |
| 00:24.13 | Aenslaed | no |
| 00:24.20 | Aenslaed | duke nukem forever is |
| 00:24.20 | Amadeo | Duke Nukem Forever |
| 00:24.21 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 00:24.22 | abyssichate | and when it came out, it turned out to be such a huge smoking piece of crap |
| 00:24.25 | abyssichate | yeah well! |
| 00:24.33 | abyssichate | it was the most overhyped game ever that has ever be released! |
| 00:24.40 | Aenslaed | the premise is also flawed for this new game 'severity' |
| 00:25.19 | Amadeo | I'd like to see Romero get back in the limelight |
| 00:25.23 | Amadeo | make something decent |
| 00:25.35 | Aenslaed | why would you make a game specifically for CPL... It is a huge tangent to what the CPL means.. or used to mean |
| 00:25.55 | Aenslaed | cpl was a tournament to see who was the best at a certain game. |
| 00:26.44 | Aenslaed | now he wants to make a game only to be played for CPL? |
| 00:26.54 | Aenslaed | its like the NBA saying, pssh, basketball sucks. Lets make a new sport |
| 00:27.14 | Amadeo | haha |
| 00:27.24 | Aenslaed | /boggle |
| 00:27.25 | Amadeo | I don't know, but FPS games kind of suck right now |
| 00:27.53 | Aenslaed | kinda, but thats not relevant to what CPL is for. As long as a game is competitive or can be made competitive. |
| 00:28.07 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 00:28.15 | Amadeo | oh here it is, John Romero's making an MMO now..lol |
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| 00:28.50 | abyssichate | latest competitive games were really bad though |
| 00:28.54 | Amadeo | http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/45934/ |
| 00:28.58 | abyssichate | Painkiller and Quake 4 were kind of disappointments |
| 00:29.36 | Amadeo | Painkiller was neat but bad at the same time |
| 00:29.36 | Amadeo | haha |
| 00:29.57 | Aenslaed | abyssichate: true, but you aren't going to attract new people or create marketshare for yourself, by making a niche game... |
| 00:30.31 | abyssichate | why not? All those titles (UT, Quake) are known to be picked by competitive leagues like CPL or WCG anyway |
| 00:30.34 | Chompers | Spore. |
| 00:30.42 | Chompers | why must they push it back to 2008 |
| 00:30.46 | Chompers | WHY |
| 00:30.50 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 00:30.54 | Amadeo | I want all those games remade |
| 00:30.59 | Amadeo | Space Quest, etc |
| 00:31.01 | abyssichate | I wouldn't mind to see a game such Severity out, if it is supposed to be good ofcourse |
| 00:31.11 | Aenslaed | abyssichate: but they aren't niche games. THey are FPS games that are massmarketable in their own right |
| 00:32.15 | abyssichate | I am sure that a lot of FPS players will try it though |
| 00:32.22 | abyssichate | just like warsow, for example |
| 00:32.26 | abyssichate | I don't know if you heard of that one |
| 00:33.04 | abyssichate | *warsaw |
| 00:33.13 | abyssichate | *warsow ffs :| |
| 00:33.18 | abyssichate | I always get confused within the two! |
| 00:34.54 | Amadeo | what's the newest FPS that's still popular online? |
| 00:35.22 | abyssichate | Quake4/CoD2/CS:S |
| 00:35.45 | abyssichate | I am waiting for unreal tournament III but I am pretty sure I'll be disappointed, like I've been for both UT2003 and UT2004 |
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| 00:36.36 | Amadeo | People play Quake 4 online? I tried it out and didn't like it...but then again, my PC doesn't run it very well |
| 00:36.47 | abyssichate | Yes, it ran really crap at the start though |
| 00:36.57 | abyssichate | After the first patches, it got better and closer to quake 3 |
| 00:37.02 | Amadeo | oh yeah? hm |
| 00:37.12 | abyssichate | After 1.3 or so, it became literally a new game |
| 00:37.31 | abyssichate | and started to look more like a game iD-tagged |
| 00:38.01 | abyssichate | http://www.unrealtournament3.com/main.php# - the trailer :E |
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| 00:38.43 | Amadeo | I forgot about UT3 |
| 00:38.58 | abyssichate | if they drop the gay concept of jumps and big maps of ut2004, it'll be a nice |
| 00:39.06 | abyssichate | the first UT (often called UT99) was _AWESOME_ |
| 00:39.28 | Amadeo | I dunno, I liked how they streamlined weapons in later UT |
| 00:39.31 | Aenslaed | instagib coret! |
| 00:39.32 | Amadeo | wasn't as spammy |
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| 00:39.51 | Aenslaed | instagib low grav coret :D |
| 00:39.52 | abyssichate | I don't know, I just don't like the new approaches |
| 00:40.00 | Aenslaed | that was such a fun level. It was the demo level for ctf |
| 00:40.01 | abyssichate | I loved the playstyle of UT (and of q3) |
| 00:40.08 | nymbia | ckknight: any reason not to sort debuffs by dispel type on enemies? |
| 00:40.13 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:40.19 | abyssichate | I hate instagib :x |
| 00:40.19 | Bam__ | hey ck |
| 00:40.19 | ckknight | nymbia: pointlessness, mostly |
| 00:40.38 | ckknight | nymbia: why? |
| 00:40.47 | vhaarr | nymbia: yes, don't sort debuffs. When a priest dispels, he dispels 2 debuffs in order. |
| 00:40.53 | nymbia | ckknight: well, sorting debuffs by dispel type on enemies is the reason i wrote the sorter in the first place, so i'd hardly call it pointless. |
| 00:41.07 | ckknight | nymbia: so care to tell me when it has a point? |
| 00:41.08 | vhaarr | nymbia: if you order them in any way, you'll risk dispelling unstable affliction, for example |
| 00:41.18 | abyssichate | wasn't the dispelling random? |
| 00:41.31 | ckknight | I thought that was true, abyssichate |
| 00:41.35 | cladhaire | vhaarr: are you sure about that? |
| 00:41.41 | cladhaire | i believe its random like abyssichate said |
| 00:41.44 | vhaarr | that's my experience, but maybe it's not |
| 00:41.49 | cladhaire | same as purge, same as spellsteal |
| 00:41.52 | nymbia | vhaarr: currently, it sorts by dispel type on friendlies and not enemies |
| 00:41.52 | Megalon | vharr: stable sorting? |
| 00:42.04 | ckknight | nymbia: debuffs for friends makes sense, debuffs for enemies are things that you (or allies) put on them |
| 00:42.07 | vhaarr | nymbia: okay |
| 00:42.26 | vhaarr | I'll have to test it then |
| 00:43.06 | abyssichate | Spellstealing should be random too |
| 00:43.20 | nymbia | ckknight: when i'm looking at a mob with 35 debuffs on 'em, i want to have all the curses and all the magic effects together. |
| 00:44.16 | nymbia | so i can find things at a glance by color |
| 00:44.16 | vhaarr | if dispelling is random, I agree with nymbia |
| 00:44.16 | ckknight | nymbia: *shrug* fair enough |
| 00:44.30 | nymbia | ckknight: option, imo |
| 00:44.30 | ckknight | nymbia: *shrug* |
| 00:44.30 | ckknight | nymbia: feel free to make an option |
| 00:44.30 | nymbia | ckknight: i'll throw it in later if you don |
| 00:44.30 | nymbia | ok |
| 00:44.30 | ckknight | nymbia: I'm cool with whatever |
| 00:44.41 | nymbia | i'll throw something together after magtheridon |
| 00:45.20 | vhaarr | reactos is really starting to look nice, anyone tried it? |
| 00:45.36 | vhaarr | wonder if they have a livecd thingy |
| 00:45.56 | vhaarr | indeed they do |
| 00:46.56 | sbu | PitBull-r35086\Aura\Aura.lua:811: attempt to index field 'cooldownText' (a nil value) |
| 00:46.58 | sbu | 100000 errors |
| 00:46.59 | sbu | :) |
| 00:48.06 | ckknight | when? |
| 00:48.22 | nymbia | no errors here |
| 00:48.25 | nymbia | make sure you've got current |
| 00:48.26 | abyssichate | I got the same |
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| 00:48.33 | ckknight | once again, when? |
| 00:48.37 | abyssichate | but I was one revision away I think |
| 00:48.41 | ckknight | does it happen right away? |
| 00:48.45 | abyssichate | I didn't notice until I was going to log |
| 00:48.46 | abyssichate | no |
| 00:48.50 | ckknight | or after a certain time? |
| 00:49.10 | abyssichate | I just came out of an arena |
| 00:49.45 | ckknight | any errors before that? |
| 00:49.49 | abyssichate | nop |
| 00:50.00 | abyssichate | I just got that same error 1004 times or so |
| 00:50.11 | abyssichate | I'll try to reproduce it |
| 00:50.18 | Roartindon | ckknight: I had a ton of errors, I figured that the table wasn't being updated properly, so I just put a if frame.cooldownText check first |
| 00:50.30 | Roartindon | But that's obviously fixing the symptom, not the cause |
| 00:50.44 | Roartindon | Just didn't have time to try and figure it out properly mid-raid |
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| 00:51.04 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r35090 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull_Aura - reorder a few lines. |
| 00:51.13 | sbu | hm |
| 00:51.15 | sbu | no errors before |
| 00:51.18 | sbu | just after some time |
| 00:51.22 | sbu | was ok at the beginning |
| 00:51.22 | ckknight | yea, it's basically impossible for it to happen unless there was an error in the works |
| 00:51.28 | sbu | perhaps it happend because of death |
| 00:52.17 | sbu | at least i realized them after i died |
| 00:52.29 | ckknight | well, update |
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| 00:54.25 | abyssichate | I tried it some |
| 00:54.47 | abyssichate | no errors at all in the beginning, then I started targetting a mob, dotted him up and bugsack captured loads of that errors |
| 00:55.11 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r35091 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull_Aura - optimization. Consolidate buffsNeedTextUpdate and debuffsNeedTextUpdate into aurasNeedTextUpdate |
| 00:55.11 | abyssichate | and from when it is started, it keep on catching that error |
| 00:55.20 | abyssichate | is=has |
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| 00:57.29 | abyssichate | Ok, it happens everytime I throw a debuff on a target, if the cooldown text is toggled; as soon as I turn cooldown text off, it stops catching that error |
| 00:57.55 | kergoth | hmm, i should look into making violation receive damagemeters and swstats data, if nobody else is working on it |
| 00:57.57 | ckknight | did you update? |
| 00:58.05 | ckknight | kergoth: *thumbs up* |
| 00:58.20 | abyssichate | Yeah, I did |
| 00:58.27 | kergoth | sick of using those beasts |
| 00:58.36 | abyssichate | that would be awesome, kergoth |
| 00:58.39 | sbu | oh btw, blizzard or pitbull error that my client drops target sometimes? |
| 00:58.47 | ckknight | kergoth: what I would like is for Violation to run without party members having the addon, even in a 5-man instance context. |
| 00:58.53 | abyssichate | they feign death ? :D |
| 00:58.56 | ckknight | sbu: PitBull can't change target. |
| 00:59.15 | ckknight | TargetUnit is protected |
| 00:59.41 | abyssichate | I am using r35086 which is the revision just prior to r35090 |
| 00:59.54 | kergoth | personally i'd be happy with it receiving swstats and damagemeters data, most people run -some- sort of meter |
| 01:00.01 | sbu | abyssichate: no ;) |
| 01:00.06 | ckknight | same here, kergoth |
| 01:00.15 | ckknight | abyssichate: update and test. |
| 01:00.19 | abyssichate | roger |
| 01:00.22 | kergoth | or even recap, i think the new versions have some srot of syncing |
| 01:00.53 | kergoth | i like recap's interface, i wish combat log extending still worked |
| 01:00.56 | kergoth | :| |
| 01:01.15 | vhaarr | ckknight: violation parses party members now |
| 01:01.16 | kebinusan | For raids I just use wow web stats after raids for all those metery things |
| 01:01.27 | ckknight | vhaarr: ah, okay, didn't last time I used it |
| 01:01.47 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 01:01.47 | Gngsk | vhaarr, if you hide the bars, they show back up after reload |
| 01:01.49 | vhaarr | Gngsk: I know, there are other problems with the bars as well |
| 01:01.55 | Gngsk | k |
| 01:01.58 | vhaarr | ammo made them today, so let it bake for a few days |
| 01:02.03 | Gngsk | looks promising though |
| 01:02.08 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 01:02.09 | vhaarr | kergoth: that'd be cool, but I'm going to rework the whole communication scheme though |
| 01:02.24 | vhaarr | kergoth: but just getting the actual parsing done is the big issue |
| 01:02.31 | vhaarr | like what numbers mean what from SWS and DMM |
| 01:02.41 | abyssichate | is any form of data reporting planned for violation? |
| 01:02.48 | vhaarr | abyssichate: meaning? |
| 01:02.49 | nymbia | and not overlapping data |
| 01:02.57 | abyssichate | That you can report the damages and such |
| 01:03.00 | vhaarr | of course |
| 01:03.01 | abyssichate | to some kind of chat |
| 01:03.03 | kergoth | vhaarr: what is going to suck is having to read their code |
| 01:03.05 | vhaarr | I have that done locally |
| 01:03.08 | kergoth | my head hurts just thinking about it |
| 01:03.13 | abyssichate | alright |
| 01:03.18 | vhaarr | kergoth: I've already tried, and yeah, you SHOULD be scared. |
| 01:03.38 | nymbia | hahaha |
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| 01:03.50 | abyssichate | you are too picky! |
| 01:03.55 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:03.58 | vhaarr | :P |
| 01:04.18 | abyssichate | oh, there is a new beta out |
| 01:04.26 | abyssichate | for swstats |
| 01:04.26 | vhaarr | new PTR patch? |
| 01:04.29 | vhaarr | oh |
| 01:05.33 | abyssichate | I wish the new PTR patch was already out, it'd mean that 2.1 was a step closer |
| 01:06.21 | kergoth | <3 2.1 |
| 01:06.37 | abyssichate | yeah, they are fixing everything they implemented with TBC basically |
| 01:06.51 | abyssichate | I am so looking forward to the new pvp trinket for warlocks, particularly |
| 01:07.01 | abyssichate | and the fixes over bosses, here and there |
| 01:07.16 | nymbia | abyssichate: what'd they change in the lock trinket again? |
| 01:07.29 | abyssichate | you can now remove stun and snaring effects |
| 01:07.40 | vhaarr | pft, gnomes <3 |
| 01:07.42 | abyssichate | That's good game against rogues |
| 01:08.01 | ckknight | gnomes kicked my kitten </3 |
| 01:08.08 | abyssichate | oh well, I was forgetting about the pve items buffs |
| 01:08.10 | TecnoBrat | blah, some mod keeps closing my guild pane |
| 01:08.12 | abyssichate | everybody'll like that |
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| 01:08.51 | vhaarr | time to watch spiderman 3, hope it's not as crap as people say |
| 01:09.03 | abyssichate | I hope they'll buff the loot from black temple though, there is such a small difference between Mindblade and the dagger that drops from the first boss of BT now |
| 01:09.06 | ckknight | vhaarr: I enjoyed it |
| 01:09.13 | vhaarr | goody |
| 01:10.58 | ckknight | I have 2 hours to kill |
| 01:11.01 | ckknight | what should I do? |
| 01:11.54 | abyssichate | You can't fix that error in PitBull at least, since it looks it doesn't occur anymore with the r35091 |
| 01:12.04 | Roartindon | ckknight: level up to 70 |
| 01:12.32 | Amadeo | If I'm leveling up with a Priest/Mage team, how should I spec my Priest? |
| 01:12.46 | Galka_ | Shadow, of course |
| 01:12.49 | ckknight | Amadeo: so it's Priest/Priest/Mage? |
| 01:13.32 | ckknight | or just Priest/Mage? |
| 01:13.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadow :P |
| 01:13.32 | Amadeo | hehe, just Priest/Mage |
| 01:13.32 | Bam__ | expect to steal aggro from the mage :P |
| 01:13.32 | ckknight | Shadow. |
| 01:13.32 | Amadeo | I ended up grabbing Spirit Tap, but it's pretty tough to get the kills against all those instas |
| 01:13.32 | Roartindon | Even if it were priest/priest/mage.. it'd still be recommended Shadow for leveling up :) |
| 01:13.32 | Bam__ | though you could do some nice AOE grinding together |
| 01:13.46 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, you can still healbot a single mage well enough as shadow |
| 01:13.55 | Bam__ | yea |
| 01:13.55 | ckknight | hey, are there any good MPQ extractor programs for Mac? |
| 01:14.02 | Galka_ | Or maybe Holyx2 and Mage for srs AEing with Holy Nova + Mage AE lawl |
| 01:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: yes, I use MPQ Extractor, ill try to find the url |
| 01:14.38 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.devklog.net/2007/02/09/mpq-extractor-10/ |
| 01:15.01 | Amadeo | I need a Mac, who's giving me their old one? |
| 01:15.03 | kenlyric | lol, why is decurisve watching my focus window? |
| 01:15.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: i will if you buy me a nice shiny mac pro dual quad core. |
| 01:15.42 | Amadeo | NightHawkTheSane: only if I can make it out of cardboard |
| 01:15.50 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 01:16.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, I -do- have an old g3/266 sitting around i could give you :P |
| 01:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | It uh.. runs.? |
| 01:16.25 | Bam__ | away... |
| 01:16.25 | Amadeo | I think I used that in elementary school |
| 01:16.29 | Amadeo | Apple IIe, right? |
| 01:16.31 | Amadeo | :P |
| 01:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | lol, no, but i used to have one of those too :) |
| 01:16.39 | Amadeo | haha |
| 01:16.43 | Amadeo | Oregon Trail baby! |
| 01:16.48 | NightHawkTheSane | hell yes. |
| 01:17.30 | Amadeo | haha |
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| 01:18.44 | Amadeo | Maybe Apple will put the new GeForce 8 mobile in a laptop, then I might buy it :D |
| 01:19.01 | ckknight | don't they tend to go with ATI? |
| 01:19.27 | Amadeo | No idea, I just need to buy something in the semi-near future, so I'm looking around a bit |
| 01:20.22 | NightHawkTheSane | they used to go with ATI, but the past year or so they've had nvidia cards available as BTO options |
| 01:20.36 | NightHawkTheSane | er, in addition to ATI that is |
| 01:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | in fact, I think the default config for mac pros is a geforce 7300gt |
| 01:23.45 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: that site also has MPQFS, lets you mount an MPQ file as a drive :-) |
| 01:24.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: huh, thats a recent addition looks like, i havnt been there in a while. neat. |
| 01:24.44 | ckknight | uses FUSE |
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| 01:30.59 | CIA-23 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk * r35092 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: (log message trimmed) |
| 01:30.59 | CIA-23 | DewdropLib: |
| 01:30.59 | CIA-23 | - Added a generic FeedTable method, which works similar to FeedAceOptionsTable, |
| 01:30.59 | CIA-23 | but with plain Dewdrop args for table keys instead of AceConsole options. Use a |
| 01:30.59 | CIA-23 | table keyed to 'sub' (similar to AceOptionsTable's 'args') to hold submenu |
| 01:30.59 | CIA-23 | entries. |
| 01:31.01 | CIA-23 | - Using this method imposes no restrictions on your Dewdrop menus, and is ideal for creating dewdrops from tables not intended to be AceConsole options. |
| 01:31.21 | hyperChipmunk | - See http://ace.pastey.net/26330?lang=lua and its follow-up for an example use |
| 01:31.25 | hyperChipmunk | punk trimmed my log |
| 01:31.41 | kergoth | neat |
| 01:32.44 | NightHawkTheSane | iiinteresting |
| 01:35.41 | hyperChipmunk | >8D |
| 01:35.58 | hyperChipmunk | now i can continue with bulkmail |
| 01:37.37 | hyperChipmunk | Nargiddley: might want to consider using that for you ptsets menu in baggins; the whole reason i wrote that was so that i could do itemtype/pt3set selection without needing to put the superset in the submenu, because aceoptions doesn't let you put a function to a "group" type |
| 01:38.31 | Nargiddley | i diddnt write the pt set browser thats in there atm |
| 01:39.09 | Nargiddley | my orig one was using the dewdrop api |
| 01:39.09 | ckknight | brb |
| 01:39.15 | kergoth | hehe, svn ls|wc -l = 255 now taht i'm using standalones |
| 01:39.16 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 01:39.46 | hyperChipmunk | well take a look at mine! it's better! |
| 01:40.07 | hyperChipmunk | the example is the itemType, but i've got a pt3set one in bulkmail too |
| 01:40.14 | vhaarr | think I wrote it, actually |
| 01:40.23 | Nargiddley | vhaarr, yep |
| 01:40.32 | hyperChipmunk | vhaarr blows |
| 01:40.36 | vhaarr | not sure why |
| 01:40.42 | vhaarr | perhaps it was PT2->3 |
| 01:40.49 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 01:41.30 | Nargiddley | don't have a wow sub atm so i couldnt change it if i wanted to heh |
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| 01:42.14 | hyperChipmunk | weaksauce |
| 01:42.57 | kergoth | hyperChipmunk: what addon are you working on, pt3browser? |
| 01:43.27 | kergoth | [2007/05/10 18:32:05-917-x43]: Quartz-0.1\Quartz.lua:1180: attempt to index global 'min' (a function value) |
| 01:44.40 | Funkeh` | omg nymbia an error |
| 01:45.01 | kergoth | just a missing local, was a copy/paste from buffs.lua to quartz.lua and he missed a line :) |
| 01:45.29 | nymbia | my bad ;) |
| 01:45.29 | nymbia | sec |
| 01:45.29 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35093 10Quartz/Quartz.lua: |
| 01:45.29 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 01:45.29 | CIA-23 | - bugfix for crafting times > 1 min |
| 01:45.29 | NightHawkTheSane | man, nymbia sucks, only he'd make such a noob mistkae. |
| 01:45.31 | NightHawkTheSane | er. mistake. |
| 01:45.33 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
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| 01:45.36 | nymbia | seriously what a scrub |
| 01:46.12 | kergoth | hehe. thanks |
| 01:46.22 | kergoth | 5m left on my rings of silver might |
| 01:46.22 | kergoth | <3 |
| 01:46.29 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 01:46.40 | hyperChipmunk | kergoth: BulkMail |
| 01:46.44 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 01:47.05 | nymbia | kergoth: lol nice :) |
| 01:47.28 | hyperChipmunk | http://69.14.77.214/bmasrulesui.png |
| 01:47.51 | kergoth | nymbia: there's an odd little bug |
| 01:47.53 | nymbia | hyperChipmunk: oooh, nice. |
| 01:47.56 | kergoth | nymbia: right when it finishes making one and starts the next |
| 01:48.01 | kergoth | it goes from 4m to like 206.3 |
| 01:48.03 | kergoth | then back to 4m |
| 01:48.04 | kergoth | on the bar |
| 01:48.18 | kergoth | no biggie, just pointing it out :) |
| 01:48.19 | nymbia | kergoth: does it go all the way up to finished? |
| 01:48.39 | kergoth | dont havea normal cast bar, not sure exactly when it happens |
| 01:49.26 | kergoth | but its at the same point my skill goes up, so i presume its when one item finishes and the next starts |
| 01:49.26 | nymbia | i mean |
| 01:49.26 | nymbia | where does it jump to |
| 01:49.26 | hyperChipmunk | i wanted to be able to present an item-type and pt3set dewdrop submenu where you could click on non-leaf entries, but i couldn't do it with an aceoptions table and i didn't want to handcraft a dewdrop |
| 01:49.26 | kergoth | 2m -> 108.5 -> 2m |
| 01:49.26 | kergoth | its not using the fancy format for that period |
| 01:49.42 | kergoth | the bar doesnt change, just the text format |
| 01:49.43 | nymbia | kergoth: oh, the number changes but the bar stays correct? |
| 01:49.45 | kergoth | when the crafting finishes |
| 01:49.59 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:49.59 | nymbia | aha, i know what it is |
| 01:49.59 | nymbia | sec, trash pull |
| 01:50.00 | kergoth | figured it was probably simple |
| 01:50.52 | kergoth | itd be cool to add x[quantity] to the end of the bar text. Ring of Silver Mightx12 or something. another minor thing |
| 01:51.28 | nymbia | kergoth: mmm.. i'll throw that in ;) |
| 01:51.51 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35094 10Quartz/Quartz.lua: |
| 01:51.51 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 01:51.51 | CIA-23 | - Fix display oddness for tradeskill time text. |
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| 01:52.54 | JoshBorke | kergoth: yep |
| 01:53.01 | JoshBorke | kergoth: i'm working on your clickable stuff |
| 01:53.44 | nymbia | JoshBorke: which addon? |
| 01:53.58 | JoshBorke | nymbia: LootTracker |
| 01:54.03 | JoshBorke | don't understand why it's so popular :-P |
| 01:58.45 | kergoth | its awesome |
| 01:59.04 | kergoth | there've been lots of similar addons, but nothing as straightforward and clean, interface wise |
| 01:59.12 | kergoth | and i like the way you did the sets |
| 02:00.35 | JoshBorke | what do you mean? |
| 02:00.48 | JoshBorke | anyway, i just did it the way that seemed most logical to me, for me |
| 02:00.59 | NightHawkTheSane | did the zip file name format change lately? |
| 02:01.13 | NightHawkTheSane | PitBull-r35091.1001.zip <-- 1001?? |
| 02:01.23 | JoshBorke | that's a lot of updated libs! |
| 02:01.41 | nymbia | i think it's so WAU doesnt get confused |
| 02:01.47 | NightHawkTheSane | oh ffs. |
| 02:02.00 | JoshBorke | because obviously 1001 represents 9? |
| 02:02.12 | NightHawkTheSane | It's a fucking 30s change to WAU to make it -not- idiotic. |
| 02:02.32 | JoshBorke | there was a LONG discussion some other time |
| 02:02.32 | JoshBorke | about how it was obviously better to change the server |
| 02:02.35 | JoshBorke | or something |
| 02:02.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Except it's not, because that's stupid. |
| 02:02.47 | JoshBorke | you said it, not me |
| 02:03.07 | kergoth | JoshBorke: thats what i mean, most other farming type addons for watching item counts weren't logical at all, yours is, thats the attraction :) |
| 02:03.38 | JoshBorke | kergoth: the original version was so convoluted. i had the option to change what toons you counted from |
| 02:03.50 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously, it's like 4 lines of code in WAU that make it properly aware of minor version numbers, and it's easier to completely change the server setup and break long-term compatability? >< |
| 02:04.28 | JoshBorke | NightHawkTheSane: i believe the case was something like easier to change the server to fit WAU than to change WAU and force users to update |
| 02:05.18 | JoshBorke | i'm just the relayer, i'm on your side |
| 02:05.25 | JoshBorke | but no one listens to me because i'm full of bad ideas |
| 02:06.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, it doesnt even matter to me, i don't use wau, i'm just annoyed at seeing stupid people get their way. |
| 02:07.09 | JoshBorke | i'm sure they did a much better job at making their case than i have portrayed |
| 02:08.28 | sylvanaar | NightHawkTheSane, go fix WAU, test it, and when its ready for release let us know |
| 02:08.54 | JoshBorke | ok, nn |
| 02:09.01 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: if i cared, and knew enough C# to not make it a three hour job, I would. And fuck testing it, because I can guarantee blind monkeys could drycode a fix that would work perfectly the first time. It's a trivial change. |
| 02:09.54 | NightHawkTheSane | you just split the version string at the dot, do a compare of the major versions, if they're the same, do a compare of the minor versions. done. |
| 02:10.51 | sylvanaar | lol, yeah, in your fantasy world in which thats the only code in the program it would be simple |
| 02:10.54 | nymbia | afaik, the problem is that they get compared alphabetically instead of numerically. |
| 02:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | nymbia: exactly. |
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| 02:11.32 | evulhotdog | O.o |
| 02:11.32 | NightHawkTheSane | nymbia: er, well, not quite. but close. it's 2 comparisons, not one. |
| 02:12.05 | nymbia | i think they already get split |
| 02:12.23 | nymbia | just a guess without looking at the source, though. |
| 02:12.38 | NightHawkTheSane | it wasnt last time i looked at the code. it was just if( remoteRevision > localRevision ) or somesuch. |
| 02:13.21 | NightHawkTheSane | when you can do if( remoteMajorRevision > localMajorRevision or ( remoteMajorRevision==localMajorRevision and remoteMinorRevision > localMinorRevision ) ) |
| 02:13.56 | hyperChipmunk | me: "given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow" |
| 02:14.14 | hyperChipmunk | my gf: I was kind of confused, thinking you were talking about bugs (literally insects) getting vainer as they had...more..eyes... |
| 02:14.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hyperChipmunk: haha |
| 02:14.32 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:14.51 | sylvanaar | i think the challenges in fixing the bug were logistical |
| 02:14.59 | Kemayo | NightHawkTheSane: Fortunately, those of us who have written our addon-updaters smartly aren't bothering to look at the filenames. :D |
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| 02:15.45 | Kemayo | (He says, and then goes to make sure that the version format in latest.xml hasn't changed.) |
| 02:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: hah, true. I also wrote it robust enough so that the only reason I even noticed the latest change to the version format is glancing at changelogs. ;) |
| 02:16.51 | Kemayo | Hmm, it has. Oh well, not like I'm using the ones with externals anyway. |
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| 02:21.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hmmmm |
| 02:21.22 | Gngsk | Tuller, What's the best way to avoid having lag spikes due to a ton of actionbars cooling when you get interrupted when using omnicc? set min duration to max interrupt cooldown plus one? |
| 02:21.29 | Kemayo | I wonder if I can still steal the cross-platform addon updater market by slapping a GUI on mine, or if the Java one has it locked down already... |
| 02:21.40 | Tuller | Gngsk: turn the pulse off :) |
| 02:22.13 | Gngsk | Tuller, but I like the pulse! I just don't want it to happen when there's 10+ things cooling |
| 02:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | setting min duration to max interrupt cooldown would suck for long interrupts |
| 02:22.39 | NightHawkTheSane | isnt CS like 12s now? |
| 02:22.43 | CIA-23 | 03fenlis * r35095 10Aloft/Options/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:22.43 | CIA-23 | Aloft : |
| 02:22.43 | CIA-23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.24 | Tuller | Gngsk: are you running 1.1? |
| 02:24.02 | Gngsk | no |
| 02:24.08 | Gngsk | 1.0, lemme update |
| 02:24.27 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a 1.1? hmm |
| 02:24.55 | Gngsk | wowi version is 1.0 |
| 02:25.02 | Gngsk | guessing 1.1 is on gcode? |
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| 02:25.26 | evulhotdog | how would you check the race or faction(alliance or horde) of the target? |
| 02:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | by going to wowwiki and looking up the appropriate API function. |
| 02:26.24 | sylvanaar | whats a good color to represent libraries? vs. wow's system yellow color |
| 02:26.28 | evulhotdog | ...okay... |
| 02:27.11 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: eh? can you provide some context? |
| 02:27.20 | sylvanaar | Lib: Libname |
| 02:27.30 | sylvanaar | whats a good color for Lib |
| 02:28.33 | Kemayo | Green? |
| 02:28.53 | hyperChipmunk | nymbia: gcd doesn't appear until after a reload in Quartz |
| 02:28.55 | sylvanaar | yeah, but the ace2 tags are green too |
| 02:29.03 | NightHawkTheSane | White |
| 02:29.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Or possibly a light-blue |
| 02:29.21 | Kemayo | I like the pale blue suggestion. |
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| 02:29.38 | NightHawkTheSane | something like 66CCFF |
| 02:30.08 | sylvanaar | that looks like it'd be aqua |
| 02:30.47 | nymbia | hyperChipmunk: after first assigning the spell? |
| 02:32.23 | Kemayo | Wow, there's a lot of code in WUU. |
| 02:33.00 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: so uh, more red? 999ccff maybe? *shrug* |
| 02:33.26 | Killmore | With pitbull, my targets portrait is enable (3d) when I mage sheep the target, it dont refresh the portrait, even if I re-select the sheeped target I still see the mob portrait instead of the sheep, any option ?! |
| 02:34.30 | Killmore | sorry, not the "target" frame but the "focus" frame, sorry |
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| 02:35.18 | Kemayo | Persuade Blizzard that they'd like to fire a UNIT_PORTRAIT_UPDATE for focus frames. (I.e., no, probably not much in the way of options. Sorry!) |
| 02:35.40 | Killmore | oh, thats a blizzard limitation |
| 02:35.53 | Kemayo | I assume. I haven't researched. |
| 02:36.14 | nymbia | seems to be the case |
| 02:36.57 | Kemayo | Okay, yeah, Blizzard limitation. |
| 02:37.47 | Kemayo | Might be worth checking if they fire UNIT_MODEL_CHANGED for focus, and having Portrait watch for that as well, I guess. I don't feel like doing the research right now, though. |
| 02:40.48 | Killmore | If i take the addons "FocusFrame" the 2d update is working |
| 02:41.26 | Killmore | hmmm with pitbull the update if working in 2d |
| 02:41.32 | Killmore | I see the target became a sheep |
| 02:41.36 | Killmore | but not in 3d |
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| 02:44.56 | Kemayo | Killmore: It's possible in that case that at the instant UNIT_PORTRAIT_UPDATE fires the model is still the old one. UNIT_MODEL_UPDATE might be a worthwhile investment in that case. Again, I'll look into it when I feel motivated. |
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| 02:58.13 | nymbia | i'll take a quick look right now |
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| 03:01.17 | nymbia | they fire a millisecond apart |
| 03:01.30 | nymbia | and they fire for focus like they should |
| 03:03.19 | hyperChipmunk | nymbia: yea |
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| 03:05.52 | nymbia | oh it's broke for all wacky units looks like |
| 03:07.16 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35097 10PitBull/Portrait/Portrait.lua: |
| 03:07.16 | CIA-23 | PitBull_Portrait: |
| 03:07.17 | CIA-23 | - Wacky units respond to portrait change events properly. |
| 03:09.07 | zoktar | anyone know the / command for infinibar ? |
| 03:09.30 | hyperChipmunk | not sure it has one |
| 03:09.57 | zoktar | dissappeared from fubar and wont enable disable ;P |
| 03:10.00 | hyperChipmunk | gotta use the fubar plugin to bring up the waterfall |
| 03:10.34 | hyperChipmunk | it's not in the "others" menu? |
| 03:10.47 | zoktar | it is |
| 03:10.54 | zoktar | but nonclickable |
| 03:10.59 | zoktar | or nonresponsive |
| 03:11.01 | hyperChipmunk | any error when you click? |
| 03:11.09 | zoktar | nothin in bugsack |
| 03:11.25 | hyperChipmunk | tell it to stop sucking |
| 03:12.07 | zoktar | i will smash it |
| 03:12.09 | zoktar | it will die |
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| 03:13.51 | hyperChipmunk | that's the spirit |
| 03:14.16 | sylvanaar | that blue looks fine, im gonna use it |
| 03:14.16 | zoktar | attatch deucecommander to minimnap worked |
| 03:15.09 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r35098 10ACP/ACP.lua: ACP: Added Sort by Title, and color the Lib: prefix blue |
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| 03:16.18 | NightHawkTheSane | nymbia: hm, quartz is only a castbar for yourself, not target/focus as well? |
| 03:18.43 | nymbia | NightHawkTheSane: just self for now, give it time ;) |
| 03:19.16 | NightHawkTheSane | nymbia: *nod* no worries, just making sure i didn't miss something. |
| 03:19.43 | Kemayo | nymbia: Thanks for fixing up Portrait! |
| 03:19.56 | nymbia | Kemayo: sure "_ |
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| 03:21.19 | Killmore | nymbia: Im just waiting the update on files.wowace.com to tank you :P |
| 03:21.54 | Kemayo | ...anyone know whether LotRO has any sort of ui modding capability? |
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| 03:26.13 | Thorgard | Kemayo, you can.. uh.. change the 'skin' for the UI.. other than that. I dunno. |
| 03:27.03 | vhaarr | Kemayo: very nice job on that python updater, no doubt it's how WAU should work per default. |
| 03:31.05 | Arrowmaster | rofl fucking shadow priest using shadow word death with 34 stacks of blue beam on netherspite |
| 03:31.18 | vhaarr | haha |
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| 03:31.42 | Kemayo | vhaarr: Thanks. :D |
| 03:32.03 | nymbia | lol |
| 03:32.04 | Killmore | Kemayo: thank you ! working fine :P |
| 03:32.14 | Kemayo | Killmore: Thank nymbia! |
| 03:32.23 | Killmore | doh |
| 03:32.34 | Killmore | copy paste wrong name :P |
| 03:32.56 | Killmore | thank you nymbia :P |
| 03:33.04 | nymbia | :) |
| 03:33.07 | Arrowmaster | guild leader kills self first time ever in blue beam on netherspite with 34000 shadow word death |
| 03:34.17 | Arrowmaster | shadow word death does nothing but kill our healing priests when they spec shadow |
| 03:34.47 | zoktar | anyone using infinibars would mind helpin a retard out for 5sek ? =P |
| 03:34.52 | vhaarr | one word; l2p :P |
| 03:34.52 | Arrowmaster | theyve killed themselves on curator |
| 03:34.55 | Arrowmaster | netherspite |
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| 03:34.59 | Arrowmaster | and prince |
| 03:35.44 | Funkeh` | on prince? |
| 03:35.52 | Funkeh` | oh enfeeble |
| 03:36.02 | Funkeh` | done that before |
| 03:36.04 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 03:36.21 | kebinusan | zoktar whats up |
| 03:36.24 | Funkeh` | can't say ive done it anywhere else in kz though |
| 03:36.38 | kebinusan | sw:d would be fun on thaddius |
| 03:37.33 | Arrowmaster | 34000 sw:d on netherspite........ |
| 03:37.58 | vhaarr | kungens 500k revenge beats it tbh |
| 03:38.12 | zoktar | nm just figurd out u have to set the x y for each button |
| 03:38.13 | kebinusan | heh |
| 03:38.22 | kebinusan | mmo champ had a nice funny ss from him |
| 03:38.43 | vhaarr | kebinusan: it's actually just copied from their website; http://www.nihilum.eu/news/53/ |
| 03:39.06 | kebinusan | ah |
| 03:39.29 | kebinusan | it made me chuckle |
| 03:39.49 | kebinusan | though I have to admit that soulstoning an entire raid for an encounter is a bit too hardcore for me |
| 03:40.00 | vhaarr | they didn't do that |
| 03:40.11 | kebinusan | thought they did on Al'ar |
| 03:41.29 | todd` | so I'm attempting to make a really simple addon for the first time, and I noticed GetItemInfo only returns the info if the item is in the local cache, so how can I query the server for the item info |
| 03:42.58 | vhaarr | kebinusan: you thought wrong |
| 03:43.29 | vhaarr | todd`: you can force an update from the server by pushing it into a tooltip |
| 03:43.40 | todd` | ah |
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| 03:44.09 | vhaarr | todd`: but that can disconnect you |
| 03:44.12 | todd` | right |
| 03:44.36 | Kemayo | Only if none of the item in question have been seen on that server since its last restart, right? |
| 03:44.50 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 03:51.11 | Funkeh` | vhaarr you know thats fake yeah |
| 03:51.21 | Funkeh` | hes not called kungen on the ptr |
| 03:51.36 | vhaarr | I know :P |
| 03:51.49 | Roartindon | That dps caster dagger is sick... |
| 03:51.54 | Funkeh` | im talking to a guildie on vent right know who thought it was real |
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| 03:59.44 | kebinusan | Yeah Funkeh`, probably need to explain the whole backgorund of the 500k revenge on their vashj kill and totally screw the joke |
| 04:00.19 | kebinusan | or 50k or w/e people were saying |
| 04:00.55 | Cryect | what is the backgorund? |
| 04:01.19 | Cryect | GMs have that dd10 ability thats almost 500k |
| 04:03.09 | Cryect | <kebinusan> thought they did on Al'ar |
| 04:03.11 | Cryect | that was LR |
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| 04:05.05 | kebinusan | Cryect: Some people were saying in their vashj kill video she went from like 12% to 2% in like one hit or something like that I dunno I tend not read too much |
| 04:05.21 | kebinusan | I havent watched it myself, just general RnD forum trolls |
| 04:05.28 | vhaarr | it was bugged, but it doesn't matter |
| 04:05.28 | Cryect | oh yeah Vashj for nihilum committed suiced |
| 04:05.48 | Funkeh` | she died at 20% and respawned i thought |
| 04:05.51 | Funkeh` | or something |
| 04:05.57 | vhaarr | right, something like that |
| 04:06.01 | vhaarr | if she didn't bug out, they would've killed her 2 hours later |
| 04:06.04 | Cryect | Doesn't matter in the sense that they've not been able to rekill her without her bugging to suicide |
| 04:06.10 | Cryect | vhaarr they didn't rekill her |
| 04:06.12 | kebinusan | same with the Al'ar, just read something after the thing with method soulstoning the raid that nihilum had done somethin similar.. seemed a few guild were mentioned |
| 04:06.20 | Cryect | they said would kill her a second time |
| 04:06.23 | Cryect | never happened |
| 04:06.29 | Roartindon | cryect: They haven't even been trying to kill her since that first kill I didn't think? |
| 04:06.31 | vhaarr | I'm guessing it's not worth the effort |
| 04:06.40 | Funkeh` | you a right |
| 04:06.41 | Cryect | Roartindon: they tried all that night |
| 04:06.42 | Funkeh` | they are not trying |
| 04:06.51 | Roartindon | If you look at method's kill, it's a lot of effort to get the buffs |
| 04:06.52 | Funkeh` | simply ebcause its not worth the wipes for the bugged encounter |
| 04:06.54 | kebinusan | yeah and method kinda cheated too they had tanks on the stalkers |
| 04:06.59 | Roartindon | EVERY single person in the raid had a soulstone |
| 04:07.02 | kebinusan | because of the fear pulse not wiping fear ward |
| 04:07.03 | Roartindon | They all had world buffs |
| 04:07.10 | Roartindon | ony/nef's head, DM, some others |
| 04:07.18 | Cryect | I was surprised they hadn't fixed Fear Ward when I found out method didd use that :-p |
| 04:07.25 | vhaarr | Cryect: fact is, they got the world first, and even if it was bugged, noone cares. |
| 04:07.27 | Cryect | I mean I thought everyone knew about that issue months ago |
| 04:07.28 | vhaarr | except you, it seems |
| 04:07.42 | vhaarr | even method said they wouldn't claim it |
| 04:08.19 | kebinusan | They should definately do something about the soulstoning the raid thing.. at least wipe them on zoning and make it a little harder to do |
| 04:08.25 | Cryect | I don't really care but I mean they didn't kill it actually and there still is an exploit that lets you kill her from 70% still >_> |
| 04:08.36 | Funkeh` | its not an exploit |
| 04:08.38 | Cryect | no one uses it |
| 04:08.39 | Funkeh` | its a bug |
| 04:08.55 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: "an exploit" is when you *exploit* a bug. |
| 04:08.58 | kebinusan | exploit = taking advantage of bug |
| 04:08.59 | vhaarr | so it is "an explot" |
| 04:09.15 | Funkeh` | i mean, her dieing at 20% isn't in your control |
| 04:09.16 | Cryect | yeah its a bug but it won't naturally happen to just kill her the one I know of |
| 04:09.19 | Funkeh` | so no |
| 04:09.22 | Funkeh` | its not an exploit |
| 04:09.29 | Cryect | I wasn't talking about that :-p |
| 04:09.31 | Funkeh` | an exploit is when you controllably force the bug |
| 04:09.45 | Cryect | I'm talking about how they haven't fixed the potential exploit :-p |
| 04:09.50 | kebinusan | But, yeah I dunno I havent been far in content since AQ40 days and I remember how bad the c'thun cockblock was before he was killable, and bwl before that |
| 04:09.53 | Funkeh` | ok |
| 04:10.14 | Funkeh` | lol i remember some guild got banned for using some hack at aq |
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| 04:10.17 | Funkeh` | to skip all the shit |
| 04:10.17 | Cryect | Don't think anyone would use it really though since no one is killing her legit |
| 04:10.29 | Cryect | Overrated and it was replacing some WMO's |
| 04:11.36 | Cryect | Blizzard decides not to really ban for exploiting anymore now just hacking |
| 04:11.54 | Cryect | the conquest fiasco heh was fun stuff |
| 04:11.59 | kebinusan | it wasnt even the trash, c'thun was just stupid, tentacles spawning durning weakenings, tentacles in the stomach, in walls |
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| 04:12.24 | Cryect | when overrated did their stuff, c'thun didn't do any of that |
| 04:12.25 | kebinusan | the there was the fun part even after half of that was fixed where you'd be stuck in combat after the kill and have to walk from the entrance to c'thun |
| 04:12.26 | Roartindon | kebinusan: The final couple of weeks of cthun were really frustrating |
| 04:12.26 | vhaarr | yeah I lost some hair those days |
| 04:12.35 | Cryect | this was long after c'thun was on farm status :-p |
| 04:12.38 | Roartindon | With things that had been working for fine for months went broken again |
| 04:12.45 | kebinusan | oh yeah |
| 04:12.52 | kebinusan | with the everyone in combat thing |
| 04:12.53 | Cryect | just the problem with AQ40 was the only good loot was off like C'thun and Ouro |
| 04:12.55 | kebinusan | that was a fun time too |
| 04:13.11 | Cryect | haha yeah |
| 04:14.04 | Roartindon | The problem with AQ40 was dealing with a lot of the number-fill players we'd had from MC/BWL days |
| 04:14.16 | Roartindon | that had no situational awareness at all |
| 04:14.32 | kebinusan | Well AQ40 was really when they started doing more mobility type fights I guess |
| 04:14.36 | kebinusan | emps, huhu |
| 04:14.44 | kebinusan | ouro c'thun |
| 04:14.50 | kebinusan | alot of people had trouble with that in our guild |
| 04:14.59 | Roartindon | emps was a steep learning curve for healers I think :) |
| 04:15.07 | kebinusan | but you also had the complete lack of foresight on blizzards part and making people go farm mauradon for resist gear |
| 04:15.45 | Roartindon | I hated the gate opening thing |
| 04:15.49 | Roartindon | Our server was one of the last to open |
| 04:15.55 | kebinusan | 200,000 linen bandages! |
| 04:15.56 | Roartindon | We were almost 3 months behind the first servers to open |
| 04:16.32 | kebinusan | My guild and another did contests, trips through mc/bwl looting anything you want for you and 4 friends |
| 04:16.35 | Cryect | the gate opening thing was stupid |
| 04:17.04 | kebinusan | yeah realm crashes abound, the actually 10 hour event was kinda cool, as was the scourge invasion somewhat |
| 04:17.39 | Cryect | the scourge invasion was better done but not as interesting |
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| 04:17.50 | kenlyric | the guild that opened the gates did it at 2 am like 4 days after the collection efforts finished. |
| 04:17.51 | Cryect | the server was at least not constantly crashing |
| 04:19.00 | kebinusan | the war effort part was just lame tho |
| 04:19.10 | kebinusan | all the crap that had to be gathered in turned in |
| 04:19.11 | Cryect | I'm sure the bandages helped them! |
| 04:19.18 | Cryect | and peacebloom |
| 04:19.22 | kenlyric | I did the last turnin for the war effort, I should have gotten a legendary mount. |
| 04:20.06 | kenlyric | do you know how much I had to click through vendor lag? |
| 04:20.35 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: im sure it was absolutely epic |
| 04:21.07 | kenlyric | I lot more work than having the entire horde do my work for me, in the case of the guy who actually got the legendary mount. |
| 04:21.29 | kenlyric | lazy lazy lazy |
| 04:21.40 | kenlyric | oh well, he got banned. |
| 04:21.41 | NightHawkTheSane | he was too busy running around the world taking all the credit and getting phat epix |
| 04:21.53 | kenlyric | wait, so did I. |
| 04:22.58 | kebinusan | I remember when we were deciding who would get the first head from broodlord to start the quest... we let one guy have it cause he seemed the most commited to doing alot of the leg work, but in the end he just stood around CH and deputized people |
| 04:24.10 | NightHawkTheSane | a druid in my friends guild accidentally ninjad their first head, because no one realized it wasn't a multi-loot quest item. "Hey, quest item. Oh, shit, it's bop, isnt it." |
| 04:24.54 | Roartindon | NightHawkTheSane: Same, I looted it without realising |
| 04:25.06 | Roartindon | Was ML, and was about to give it to someone else |
| 04:25.24 | Roartindon | and no warning messages at that time.. it just looted |
| 04:25.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yep |
| 04:25.42 | kenlyric | the guild that eventually did it chose based on dkp. |
| 04:25.45 | lmbo | so uh.. stupid question.. but I'm guessing most people in here develop? |
| 04:26.02 | Roartindon | or bitch about develop stuff :) |
| 04:26.08 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, i sit around making snarky comments |
| 04:26.50 | lmbo | I have a quick question if you folks don't mind :p I'm not sure how related to developing it actually is.. but.. |
| 04:27.05 | Roartindon | Just ask, if someone knows, they'll try and reply :) |
| 04:27.31 | lmbo | I'm trying to use the "Steel" texture from ag_UnitFrames with Pitbull. I see pitbull has the functionality to change statusbar textures (but the only choice in the in-game menu is "Blizzard") and the "Steel" texture is just a .tga file, but I'm not sure where to put it to make this work.. or if this will work in general |
| 04:27.35 | lmbo | any ideas? |
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| 04:28.07 | Roartindon | Get SharedMediaLib installed |
| 04:28.11 | Roartindon | And then SharedMedia |
| 04:28.22 | Roartindon | And you'll get all of the texture options for almost all recently-updated ace2 addon |
| 04:28.24 | Roartindon | addons |
| 04:28.28 | NightHawkTheSane | doesnt aguf and sharedmedia embed sml? |
| 04:29.06 | Roartindon | perhaps, but that doesn't mean it has the sharedmedia itself? |
| 04:29.07 | lmbo | great, I'll give it a try |
| 04:29.47 | Roartindon | Grab it from files.wowace.com |
| 04:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Roartindon: the way i understand it SML is just the framework for registering/retreiving the media. it doesnt have any itself, hence the SharedMedia addon. |
| 04:30.03 | Roartindon | yeah |
| 04:30.15 | Roartindon | Sorry, SharedMediaLib isn't required if you ahve ag_UnitFrames, you're right |
| 04:30.20 | Roartindon | it's embedded into ag_UnitFrames |
| 04:30.27 | Roartindon | I wasn't sure if ag_UnitFrames was still using surfacelib or not |
| 04:30.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, you should be okay just grabbing SharedMedia |
| 04:30.43 | NightHawkTheSane | well, even if it was, surfacelib and sml cross-register |
| 04:31.15 | lmbo | well I only have pitbull installed now.. do I still only need SharedMedia? |
| 04:31.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 04:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | PitBull uses SharedMediaLib too |
| 04:31.52 | Roartindon | Most recently modified ace2 addons use SharedMediaLib.. and SharedMedia provides textures for all of them that use it |
| 04:32.02 | lmbo | ok cool.. and it goes into \Addons or AddOns\PitBull\libs? |
| 04:32.06 | Roartindon | No |
| 04:32.09 | Roartindon | Addons\SharedMedia |
| 04:32.17 | lmbo | ok, thanks |
| 04:32.21 | Roartindon | Treat SharedMedia just like any other addon |
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| 04:34.49 | lmbo | wow, that's a lot of choices, haha.. thanks folks |
| 04:38.39 | ulic | anyone hear any recent speculation about the patch release? |
| 04:39.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I heard someone mention it was pushed to the 21st at earliest, but no idea how true that is. seems likely though |
| 04:39.17 | Roartindon | yeah, tons of speculation from people that would only be guessing :) |
| 04:39.39 | NightHawkTheSane | lol, yeah, more or less |
| 04:40.07 | ulic | figured |
| 04:40.36 | ulic | I just want to respec, but I'm a rogue, and was hoping maybe I'd get to for free with the imp sap change. |
| 04:42.14 | NightHawkTheSane | doubt they'll give a respec for that |
| 04:42.38 | theoddone33 | yeah that's really unlikely I'd bet |
| 04:42.48 | ulic | probably not, either way I want to keep the imp sap, so I'll wait. |
| 04:43.20 | theoddone33 | I'll miss telling people I don't have imp sap so they don't make me sap in 5-mans |
| 04:43.38 | theoddone33 | even though I've only been specced out of it for a week or two |
| 04:43.41 | ulic | hehe |
| 04:44.19 | ulic | in my very small guild, we don't usually have a mage run with us, so I'm a sapping machine :) |
| 04:45.06 | CIA-23 | 03cryect * r35099 10Protractor/ (. Protractor.lua Protractor.toc): Protractor - A graphical profiler, showing usage as well in pie chart form (addon is kinda rough at the moment but up for others to see how it works) |
| 04:46.07 | ulic | just a library for graphing whatever, or something specific? |
| 04:46.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Protractor? I hardly know her! |
| 04:47.00 | Cryect | GraphLib is a library for graphing :-p |
| 04:47.14 | Cryect | externals aren't setup yet if you don't have graphlib installed though |
| 04:52.34 | CIA-23 | 03cryect * r35100 10Protractor/ (. Protractor.toc): Protractor - Dependencies added |
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| 04:56.19 | Cryect | oh and ulic since I didn't answer your question >_> its just a profiling tool here's an old picture (though looks pretty much the same) http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3298/protractorearlytr0.jpg |
| 04:58.57 | Funkeh` | you use non-lod bigwigs :o |
| 04:59.36 | ulic | ah, so a memory profiler, got it. |
| 04:59.57 | NightHawkTheSane | weee... 350 lw |
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| 05:17.05 | vhaarr | Are these from 2.1? http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32228 |
| 05:19.32 | vhaarr | except, it's down |
| 05:19.36 | hyperChipmunk | yes |
| 05:19.56 | Funkeh` | vhaarr its EU did you expect otherwise? :p |
| 05:20.01 | haste | http://forestrain.egloos.com/3341796 << oh wow |
| 05:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | "gadget stan? in taris?" /cry |
| 05:27.25 | CIA-23 | 03funkydude * r35101 10TinyTip/TinyTip.lua: TinyTip: remove startup print |
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| 05:28.16 | hyperChipmunk | oh noz |
| 05:28.27 | hyperChipmunk | how will i know my addons are loaded without startup prints |
| 05:29.04 | Funkeh` | use the ultraleethaxx of startup showing |
| 05:30.13 | CIA-23 | 03roartindon * r35102 10Quartz/Quartz.lua: Quartz: QuartzLatency - shifted embedded mode draw layer to OVERLAY instead of ARTWORK. Seems to stop indeterminate display order. |
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| 05:41.21 | zoktar | anyone know of a way to manually bind say ctrl+mouseweelup/down to a button in infitibar ? |
| 05:43.09 | Gngsk | mmm, the new aura stuff in pitbull is shiney |
| 05:43.50 | CIA-23 | 03adirelle 07Adirelle * r35103 10PT3Bar/PT3Bar/PT3Bar.lua: PT3Bar: working tooltip on main buttons. |
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| 05:46.19 | ckknight | hello, friends |
| 05:48.06 | nymbia | hey ckknight |
| 05:48.40 | Funkeh` | wb |
| 05:48.41 | Gngsk | ckknight, thanks for adding the new aura stuff! it's great. |
| 05:49.19 | Gngsk | something I've been waiting for since the old minigroup days |
| 05:50.46 | ckknight | :-) |
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| 05:55.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: question about the ABF layout, why are some frames (manaText, healthText, a few others) defined in two places, and added to the extraFrames array? |
| 05:56.04 | ckknight | mmm... shouldn't be |
| 05:57.08 | Neebler | holy crap Nymbia you're a beast. revisions 34989 through 35023 on /files/ are mostly updated by you |
| 05:57.54 | sylvanaar | 2.0 all over again |
| 05:58.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, manaText as an example, is defined (very limitedly) on line 217, then again on 1089. ANd on 1071 "ABF.extraFrames.manaText" is defined. Which is vastly confusing to me. |
| 05:58.17 | sylvanaar | ;) |
| 05:58.46 | Roartindon | NightHawkTheSane: manaText/etc are just dogtag strings, not in built code.. I think that's half the answer |
| 05:59.17 | Roartindon | ie. if a layout doesn't use it, they don't show up at all as options |
| 05:59.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Roartindon: this is in a layout file, though. |
| 05:59.53 | Roartindon | yes, eg.. if you have a layout that only needs to show the name |
| 05:59.57 | Roartindon | then you don't need healthtext/manatext |
| 06:00.00 | nymbia | Neebler: it was just some toc updates mostly ;) |
| 06:00.45 | Roartindon | the 217/1089 duplicate looks wrong |
| 06:03.04 | Funkeh` | later |
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| 06:05.22 | Dhraga | Morning all...yaawn |
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| 06:06.17 | ckknight | morning, Dhraga |
| 06:06.29 | ckknight | hey everyone, I fixed Cartographer_InstanceMaps for WoW 2.1! |
| 06:06.30 | ckknight | woo |
| 06:06.33 | ckknight | that was a bitch. |
| 06:06.56 | Dhraga | Yay nice Ck, thanks |
| 06:07.10 | Dhraga | I gotta ask a question about a ui bug thats a bit fussy... *typing a while* |
| 06:07.20 | ckknight | just gotta make sure I didn't break it in 2.0 |
| 06:08.00 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:11.08 | Dhraga | I and the users of my compilation have lately gotten a strange glitch... (No UI error is present in BugSack) but when opening the Guild frame, it can start to auto close the guild frame after a few secs, making guild management a #¤$& . And at the same time the escape key stops working, meaning cant remove targets by escape... The majority of the addons in my compilation is Ace2 basedand... |
| 06:11.10 | Dhraga | ...this strange clitch just started to pop up, perhaps after a WAU update... Have anyone experienced the same problem or have any idea what it can be (aye fussy question) |
| 06:11.16 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r35104 10Cartographer/Cartographer_InstanceMaps/ (Data.lua InstanceMaps.lua Scripts/pack.lua): |
| 06:11.16 | CIA-23 | Cartographer_InstanceMaps - upgraded for WoW 2.1 |
| 06:11.16 | CIA-23 | - currently Data.lua has both the WoW 2.0 and WoW 2.1 versions. |
| 06:11.16 | CIA-23 | - basically, apparently Blizzard now loads textures lazily instead of directly |
| 06:11.16 | CIA-23 | on-the-fly. This means that their height/width is not available until a few |
| 06:11.17 | CIA-23 | frames later. Since Cartographer_InstanceMaps depends on this information, it |
| 06:11.21 | CIA-23 | now does some mad hax to delay itself until the textures are fully loaded. |
| 06:11.52 | ckknight | Dhraga: don't know about that. Doubt it's any of my stuff |
| 06:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | well, I've seen the social-pane-mysteriously-closes-itself thing |
| 06:13.28 | vhaarr | Dhraga: Someone mentioned the same symptoms not long ago. |
| 06:14.00 | vhaarr | both the guild tab closing and the esc key not working |
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| 06:14.54 | Dhraga | The first thing I thought it could be was the TradeskillInfo/TradeskillInfoUI since when this happens the social panel often opens up in the middle of the screen and not on the left side even if it was empty, and I pressume that its TradeskillInfo that makes the craft frame movable when its open (and I dont have any more direct bliz frame oriented alterations) |
| 06:15.28 | Dhraga | So hence i misstook it as the culprit, but I was wrong there =/ |
| 06:16.40 | Dhraga | I have tried to disable any addon that have anything to do with the social frame, but still no luck, and atm I'm clueless |
| 06:18.59 | zoktar | <- gets disabled escape sometimes |
| 06:20.14 | Dhraga | The annoying thing is to try and hunt the problem down as it does not always bugg out, so you disable a bunch of addons and thinks, yay solved and then 5 misn later... it's back :P |
| 06:21.19 | zoktar | <- is hunting in combat lag addon (on hit it seems) |
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| 06:22.56 | Dhraga | Btw, any progress on the Violation addon ? |
| 06:23.38 | vhaarr | yes |
| 06:24.09 | Dhraga | so, about time to start use it then ? |
| 06:24.14 | vhaarr | not yet |
| 06:24.17 | Dhraga | ok |
| 06:25.43 | wobin | hm |
| 06:25.53 | wobin | pitbull seems to be not cleaning up certain frames |
| 06:26.21 | wobin | I get a stretched stealth icon over my target bar |
| 06:27.42 | ckknight | wobin: that's a known bug |
| 06:28.09 | ckknight | no idea what causes it or how to reproduce it, though |
| 06:29.07 | rubik | violation needs a toggle option to NOT spam chat window with whatever it's tracking on reset |
| 06:29.21 | wobin | wtf is wrong with me? |
| 06:29.34 | wobin | I haven't even got Prep on my toolbar |
| 06:29.42 | sedatedChipmunk | you're wobin |
| 06:30.33 | sedatedChipmunk | also, retarded |
| 06:31.13 | sedatedChipmunk | this is you: "daah duuh durr >Xp" |
| 06:32.01 | wobin | That looks much more like your smilies =P |
| 06:32.13 | wobin | It seems someone's projecting =P |
| 06:32.38 | Cyrez | Any word on how big the 2.1 patch will be? |
| 06:32.59 | sedatedChipmunk | Pretty Darn Big |
| 06:33.25 | sedatedChipmunk | at least one and a half bigness |
| 06:33.28 | Cryect | <Funkeh`> you use non-lod bigwigs :o |
| 06:33.34 | Cryect | Heh was having issues with LoD Bigwigs |
| 06:33.36 | Cyrez | Like, 1.12.x > 2.0 big? |
| 06:33.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm going to wager 2.6 metric fucktons. |
| 06:33.54 | sedatedChipmunk | how much is that in imperial units? |
| 06:34.02 | Cryect | Not sure what was wrong and it screwed something up so converted back |
| 06:34.38 | wobin | about 18 feet cubed shitpounds |
| 06:34.52 | sedatedChipmunk | good lord |
| 06:35.43 | sedatedChipmunk | so that's like, what, half a wobin in australia? |
| 06:36.51 | Dhraga | One thing I miss in the WAU is an option to not have the package addons unfolded into the addons folder, it looks a bit to intimidating for my users :P |
| 06:37.16 | Diao | don't you just create an addon.nounpack |
| 06:37.17 | Diao | in the folder |
| 06:37.19 | Diao | to prevent it from unpacking |
| 06:38.14 | Dhraga | <-- have the option *delete folder before extracting* selected and I pressume that it would cause that fix to not work |
| 06:41.37 | Dhraga | Sylvanaar, is the Five Sec bar a creation of the FuBar-RegenFu ? I h ad a user comment that he could not remove it, but I didnt have that FiveSecBar myself /shrug |
| 06:43.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Dhraga: RegenFu does have a 5SR bar, so thats probably it |
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| 06:51.31 | Dhraga | NightHawkTheSane, thanks. I'll get rid of it then |
| 06:52.07 | Dhraga | <--- so enjoys the Spark feature in Pitbull, verry nicely done guys |
| 06:52.27 | sylvanaar | Dhraga, it says on the tablet, that to lock the bar you use a mouseclick+modifier combo |
| 06:53.19 | sylvanaar | It start out in frame positioning mode |
| 06:53.29 | Dhraga | sylvanaar, and locking it will hide it then i pressume but how to make the bar inactive ? |
| 06:54.08 | sylvanaar | Dhraga Addon.nounpack is unaffected by delete before extract |
| 06:54.26 | sylvanaar | since they are different directories |
| 06:55.44 | Dhraga | Sylvanaar omg, that was real nice to hear. I think I missunderstood diao as I understtod it as putting the Addon.nounpack into ex. Cartographer folder |
| 06:56.00 | Cryect | yes those are from 2.1 vhaarr |
| 06:56.08 | Cryect | oh whoops I was scrolled up >_> |
| 06:56.20 | sylvanaar | no Addondir, Addondir.nounpack |
| 06:56.25 | Cryect | that was in reference to the Empyrean Sapphire if you were still wondering |
| 06:57.07 | sylvanaar | 2 directories yeah |
| 06:57.27 | sylvanaar | locking hides it until the 5sr is triggered |
| 06:58.01 | sylvanaar | if you need to disable it you have to enalbe FSRT i thing of rht eoptions to display |
| 07:00.08 | vhaarr | Cryect: right |
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| 07:01.16 | sylvanaar | Cryect what type of frames will graphlib work with |
| 07:01.42 | Dhraga | sylvanaar, many thanks... my users are sure gonna love that |
| 07:02.11 | sylvanaar | i wonder if yocan just hide the files |
| 07:02.20 | todd` | lua patterns are making me sad =( |
| 07:02.22 | todd` | string.find("81:12", "^%d+(:%d+)$") matches |
| 07:02.26 | todd` | string.find("81:12", "^%d+(:%d+)?$") does not |
| 07:03.12 | sylvanaar | they make me sad also |
| 07:03.25 | vhaarr | what would ?$ do? |
| 07:03.42 | todd` | (:%d+)? would match 0 or 1 instance of :%d+ |
| 07:03.48 | todd` | in standard regex |
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| 07:04.03 | Cryect | 1 |
| 07:04.07 | Cryect | + means 1 or more |
| 07:04.12 | Cryect | * means 0 or more |
| 07:04.14 | todd` | right |
| 07:04.17 | todd` | ? means 0 or 1 |
| 07:04.22 | Cryect | o |
| 07:04.25 | Cryect | yeah |
| 07:04.26 | todd` | I wans't really asking anything :P |
| 07:04.36 | Fisker- | has cartographer_herbalism been removed from the svn? |
| 07:04.44 | Cryect | Thats what I do for reading regex half asleep >_> |
| 07:04.51 | Cryect | you confusing me! |
| 07:05.19 | sylvanaar | Dhraga do your users use an ingame addon tool? |
| 07:05.33 | vhaarr | todd`: this is lua patterns |
| 07:05.50 | Dhraga | sylvaanar you mean like deuce commander ? |
| 07:05.52 | vhaarr | not regex :P |
| 07:05.55 | Fisker- | oh my |
| 07:06.00 | Cryect | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.01 | todd` | I know :( |
| 07:06.04 | Fisker- | WAU is thinking on itself |
| 07:06.07 | Cryect | any frames |
| 07:06.09 | sylvanaar | ~ /dump string.find("sting", "pattern") |
| 07:06.35 | todd` | sting |
| 07:06.36 | todd` | :D |
| 07:06.40 | Cryect | you just give it a parent and it creates a child frame to it and you can place it wherever |
| 07:07.15 | vhaarr | todd`: your pattern doesn't make much sense to me |
| 07:07.27 | sylvanaar | Dhraga no, i actually mean have you looke at ACP |
| 07:07.28 | Cryect | I think he wants to be able to have 0 or 1 matches? |
| 07:07.34 | vhaarr | Cryect: orly |
| 07:07.46 | Cryect | and its going to see 0 is valid? so it always escapes on the trivial case |
| 07:07.48 | vhaarr | point is that he would gain nothing from it |
| 07:07.52 | Cryect | yeah |
| 07:07.59 | vhaarr | so what are you discussing then? |
| 07:08.33 | Dhraga | sylvanaar, I'm not using the ACP atm, still have the old FuBarModMenuToFu |
| 07:08.43 | vhaarr | todd`: do you want to match if the string is both "1" and "1:2" ? |
| 07:08.57 | todd` | that and |
| 07:08.59 | todd` | 1:2:3 |
| 07:09.07 | todd` | etc |
| 07:09.08 | todd` | to |
| 07:09.09 | todd` | 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8 |
| 07:09.09 | vhaarr | you need a :gmatch then |
| 07:09.19 | Dhraga | sylvanaar but I can give the ACP a go when I get home from work |
| 07:09.21 | sylvanaar | Dhraga, yes - im mentioning it because it can help resolve many common issues |
| 07:10.12 | vhaarr | for num in str:gmatch("(%d+):?") do ... edn |
| 07:10.12 | Dhraga | sylvanaar, oh sounds nice, any specific issues in mind ? |
| 07:10.14 | vhaarr | end* |
| 07:10.16 | sylvanaar | it fixes dependncy errors when it can |
| 07:10.17 | vhaarr | todd`: ^ |
| 07:10.25 | vhaarr | wouldn't that work? |
| 07:10.26 | Dhraga | nice |
| 07:10.40 | sylvanaar | firs doing a walk when you enable the addon |
| 07:10.59 | Cryect | sylvanaar for some really simple examples of how to create graphs with graphlib check http://acm.jhu.edu/~cryect/GraphLib/GraphLib.html though its kinda old but still all the code shoudl work fine |
| 07:11.03 | sylvanaar | and if it doenst get all of the dependancies right. It read the errors, and corrects |
| 07:12.04 | Dhraga | sylvanaar, sweet.. I'll swap Fubar-modMenuToFu out for the ACP tonight |
| 07:12.51 | sylvanaar | it has no dependancies, but for dependancy error correction you need buggrabber/bugsack. |
| 07:13.54 | Dhraga | Anyone that have any thought's of making a pbLayout addon that will accept users settings to distribute to others ? (pb=Pitbull) |
| 07:14.08 | Dhraga | <-- have always used Bugsack :) |
| 07:14.38 | sylvanaar | i just didnt take the time to make it use buggrabber. |
| 07:17.47 | Arrowmaster | Dhraga: the closing social frame is from an addon doing who requests, probably spamsentry |
| 07:20.09 | Dhraga | Arrowmaster, Ah... Yes I'm using SpamSentry (I hope to god that I dont have to stop using it, or have anyone a similair anti-gold addon?) And also using Prat, wich I pressume also makes who to get the level and class of the players in the chat |
| 07:20.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont think prat does whos |
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| 07:20.40 | Arrowmaster | just listens when something else does |
| 07:20.53 | Dhraga | Sylvanaar, isn't prat your old baby ? |
| 07:21.11 | Dhraga | Arrowmaster, Ah |
| 07:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, took me like 40 minutes to find a stupid copy/paste bug. |
| 07:21.40 | Arrowmaster | ive heard the randomly closing social frame is a problem for any addon that does lots of who requests |
| 07:22.28 | Dhraga | Hmmm there would not be an option in the SpamSentry to stop it from doing who's ? |
| 07:22.37 | Arrowmaster | not sure |
| 07:23.20 | Dhraga | ~seen Anea |
| 07:24.25 | purl | anea <n=apyss@a62-251-8-41.adsl.xs4all.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9d 13h 46m 41s ago, saying: 'working on a clean install with just opera as irc client, guess i'll have to download something better'. |
| 07:24.25 | Dhraga | I just noticed that there was the SpamMeNot addon also on the files server... anyone tried it ? |
| 07:24.26 | Arrowmaster | i havent |
| 07:24.43 | Arrowmaster | although apparently it does do a lot of hooking of aceevent stuff |
| 07:25.54 | vhaarr | I wouldn't recommend running it |
| 07:26.16 | vhaarr | I only read the initial commit, and not anything done to it after that point, but then it hooked AceEvent:TriggerEvent |
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| 07:30.16 | Dhraga | ok |
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| 07:35.37 | a-stray-cat | which ace mod is it that does the options for icehud? |
| 07:36.31 | ZealotOnAStick | Uhm, IceHUD. |
| 07:36.45 | a-stray-cat | no it has a options frame now |
| 07:36.54 | a-stray-cat | rather than a set of dewdrop menus |
| 07:36.59 | ZealotOnAStick | Oh. |
| 07:37.01 | a-stray-cat | i found it i think |
| 07:37.04 | a-stray-cat | waterfall? |
| 07:37.09 | ZealotOnAStick | Likely Waterfall/Niagara. |
| 07:37.18 | a-stray-cat | thankie |
| 07:37.39 | a-stray-cat | shoulda said ace library, i guess |
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| 07:41.13 | sylvanaar | Dhraga eh? prat? me? |
| 07:41.48 | nymbia | sylvanaar: you prat! |
| 07:42.05 | Dhraga | LOL |
| 07:42.08 | sylvanaar | Prat 2.0 is basically my contribution to it |
| 07:42.16 | Dhraga | Haha I think I must remeber wrong ;) |
| 07:43.03 | sylvanaar | Prat 1.0, well, had issues which made enhancing it a pain |
| 07:43.37 | sylvanaar | i have been working on Prat since november |
| 07:44.40 | sylvanaar | prat does not do who's yeah |
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| 07:45.02 | sylvanaar | SpamMeNot i dont think gets along with Prat. |
| 07:45.28 | Cyrez | But SpamSentry does. <3 |
| 07:45.37 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 07:46.17 | Cyrez | Out of chat-type stuff, I've got SpamSentry, Prat, and Cellular. |
| 07:46.30 | Cyrez | No issues that I can see. |
| 07:47.00 | sylvanaar | i want him to support prat on his cellular frames |
| 07:47.35 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: make prat stop changing my font size when i have the fontsize module disabled |
| 07:48.04 | sylvanaar | it doesnt, and if it did, it doesn now |
| 07:48.18 | Arrowmaster | unless theres some reason it makes it really small when i click chatcopy |
| 07:48.26 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 07:48.53 | sylvanaar | so you can get all of the text that scrolled of the frame |
| 07:48.58 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 07:49.01 | sylvanaar | and it puts it back |
| 07:49.33 | Arrowmaster | well lately when logging on my font size has been smaller than the default size which is what i use |
| 07:50.25 | sylvanaar | well. pastey your sv's |
| 07:51.32 | sylvanaar | Well, you konw that the chatframe font size menu and prat's are linked now |
| 07:53.14 | sylvanaar | Do you use clearfont? |
| 07:53.19 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 07:55.51 | Arrowmaster | lol i think pastey.net got spamed with viagra ads |
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| 07:57.57 | SunTiger | what the hell |
| 07:58.09 | SunTiger | why would people look up random pastey's |
| 07:58.14 | SunTiger | there is nothing interesting |
| 07:58.35 | Arrowmaster | took me a while to get all the savedcharacter info out since it was like 20k entries |
| 07:58.45 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: http://ace.pastey.net/26694 |
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| 08:02.09 | nymbia | i know i spend half my time browsing pastey |
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| 08:03.46 | Cyrez | World of Warcraft 64 hours 1185 hours |
| 08:04.29 | ZealotOnAStick | I think I've got nearly half a year clocked on just my main. |
| 08:04.42 | ZealotOnAStick | That doesn't count alts, betas . . . |
| 08:05.14 | Arrowmaster | wow just wow |
| 08:05.19 | Arrowmaster | http://pastey.net/2798-2mju look at all the replys to that |
| 08:06.19 | Arrowmaster | Cyrez: thats nothing |
| 08:06.47 | Arrowmaster | World of Warcraft 51 hours 6116 hours |
| 08:07.06 | Cyrez | I was speaking more of the first number, lol. |
| 08:07.18 | Cyrez | I've had higher than that. |
| 08:07.42 | Fisker- | US Arrowmaster? |
| 08:07.47 | Cyrez | And I'm actually at the computer so it's not just sitting there. |
| 08:08.13 | Cyrez | I don't sleep much and lack a reasonable concept of time. |
| 08:08.19 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: if your trying to lookup my armory, Arrowmaster isnt my main |
| 08:08.58 | Fisker- | no i'm just trying to find out if you're US or EU |
| 08:09.07 | Arrowmaster | us |
| 08:09.36 | Fisker- | i only got like 180 days played :( |
| 08:09.45 | Fisker- | but i'm EU |
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| 08:10.06 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster - looks fine, the module is off |
| 08:10.48 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: ill have to see if it does it again, had it happen 2-3 times over the last week |
| 08:11.44 | Cyrez | If Xfire was a little older, my roommate would have some insane hours on SWG up until he quit when the NGE went live. |
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| 08:13.34 | Cyrez | He pretty much lived in SWG for a while. If the kitchen wasn't downstairs, you might not have seen him at all. |
| 08:14.41 | Diao | lol |
| 08:14.48 | Diao | http://www.xfire.com/profile/vschiu/ |
| 08:14.53 | Diao | that's mine ;x |
| 08:15.33 | Arrowmaster | http://www.xfire.com/profile/arrowmaster/ |
| 08:15.43 | Diao | hehe |
| 08:15.49 | Diao | i didn't get xfire until like |
| 08:15.50 | Diao | last year |
| 08:15.53 | Arrowmaster | my gaming history on xfire is so messed up |
| 08:16.05 | Diao | or wait |
| 08:16.06 | Diao | couple years ago |
| 08:16.36 | Arrowmaster | since most the time that i played those games it was either before xfire supported them or while i couldnt log on to xfire at places like lan partys |
| 08:16.42 | Diao | lol |
| 08:16.52 | Diao | yeah |
| 08:16.56 | [Ammo] | morning |
| 08:16.56 | Diao | or when i built a new system |
| 08:17.03 | Diao | i never installed xfire until someone reminded me like months later |
| 08:17.06 | Diao | 'mornin |
| 08:17.18 | sylvanaar | i never made it to frys to day, im going in the am |
| 08:18.34 | wobin | Kemayo: yay, new WAup.py |
| 08:19.48 | Arrowmaster | oh thats cool |
| 08:19.56 | wobin | Oh man. Quartz looks very cool |
| 08:20.03 | Arrowmaster | when did xfire add the wow character thingy to the profile page |
| 08:20.44 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35105 10BigWigs/ (bigwigslod.bat bigwigslod.sh): BigWigs: remove obsolete command |
| 08:22.38 | sylvanaar | i want a quad |
| 08:25.14 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=285130975&sid=1 i LOL'D |
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| 08:26.16 | Boubouille | I don't care Fisker-. |
| 08:26.39 | Boubouille | (lol @ break the wall of pants) |
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| 08:28.38 | ZealotOnAStick | Ok. |
| 08:28.42 | evl | How the fuck can they talk about Warhammer as being revolutionary? |
| 08:28.58 | ZealotOnAStick | Now I have something to strike back at the nuts in the guild with their stupid ass exposing honey and macing the bear. |
| 08:28.59 | evl | You can't even gank lowbies questing :( |
| 08:29.03 | Fisker- | warhammer copies WoW! |
| 08:29.12 | Boubouille | but WoW copied warhammer |
| 08:29.25 | evl | Well as stated their "most important PVP feature" is zones identical to Battlegrounds |
| 08:29.27 | Boubouille | anyway, seems we're getting 2.1.0 next week or the week after |
| 08:29.29 | evl | With NPCs |
| 08:29.30 | evl | WOOO |
| 08:29.47 | evl | And even better, since it's a pure PVP game you can quest and gain PVP poins |
| 08:29.49 | evl | I lol'ed |
| 08:30.30 | ZealotOnAStick | Argh. |
| 08:30.42 | ZealotOnAStick | Gantz needs less emo, more black suits big tits and blowing up aliens. |
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| 08:46.26 | sylvanaar | i like the new might and magic game |
| 08:46.54 | SunTiger | new might and magic game ? |
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| 08:47.04 | SunTiger | dark messiah or heroes 5 ? |
| 08:47.14 | Fisker- | Boubouille btw |
| 08:47.21 | sylvanaar | ywH |
| 08:47.28 | Boubouille | Don't highlight Boubouille ! OR HE SHALL HIGHLIGHT YOU ! |
| 08:47.28 | sylvanaar | dark |
| 08:47.41 | Boubouille | huh, I mean, how can I help you Fisker- ? |
| 08:47.48 | sylvanaar | I have LoTRO - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 08:47.51 | evl | HAH! |
| 08:47.56 | Fisker- | do it! |
| 08:47.59 | Boubouille | do what ? |
| 08:48.01 | evl | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23705 |
| 08:48.04 | evl | EPIC TABARD! |
| 08:48.07 | evl | All mine! |
| 08:48.08 | Fisker- | why does kungen do 500k revenge crits? |
| 08:48.16 | Boubouille | evl : http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23709 |
| 08:48.20 | Boubouille | Fisker- : because he's Kungen |
| 08:48.23 | evl | Mostly to annoy my fellow guildies so that when all their gear is epic i still have one more epic |
| 08:48.30 | sylvanaar | fsck yay |
| 08:48.46 | evl | Oh and I eBayed it |
| 08:48.50 | Boubouille | BAN |
| 08:48.53 | evl | making me even less credible |
| 08:48.58 | evl | it was 20$ |
| 08:49.03 | sergio | I want the riding turtle but fuck 100+ dollars |
| 08:49.09 | evl | Nah |
| 08:49.13 | evl | It's the same card! |
| 08:49.41 | evl | Anyway, thanks to Bush the dollar is so low I could wipe my ass with it |
| 08:49.51 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.57 | Mikk | I NEED THAT TABARD! |
| 08:49.57 | evl | That's a lot of spaces |
| 08:49.59 | sergio | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.04 | yacoob | sylvanaar, what are you going to do with that lotro? :) |
| 08:50.08 | evl | The best item you can get from that |
| 08:50.12 | evl | Is a portable EPIC picnic kit |
| 08:50.19 | Mikk | haha |
| 08:50.22 | evl | which creates a picnic cloth with a matching umbrella |
| 08:50.34 | evl | Someone said it's the perfect mobile ganking disguise |
| 08:50.36 | sylvanaar | yacoob idk why? |
| 08:50.42 | evl | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32566 |
| 08:50.44 | Fisker- | i have one |
| 08:50.46 | Fisker- | it's awesome |
| 08:51.05 | evl | Every RP'ers wet dream |
| 08:51.39 | sylvanaar | ok, passing out now will be sleeping then playing MM |
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| 09:07.24 | CIA-23 | 03slake333 * r35106 10Expiration/ (. Expiration.lua Expiration.toc changelog.txt): |
| 09:07.24 | CIA-23 | Expiration: initial commit |
| 09:07.24 | CIA-23 | - A mod to see how your raid dies. |
| 09:07.32 | Mikk | cool |
| 09:07.38 | nymbia | that's a cool idea |
| 09:07.40 | *** part/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:07.41 | Mikk | aye |
| 09:08.34 | Neebler | yarrrr! |
| 09:09.02 | Neebler | now I can uninstall grid/XRS being a non healer. to see only the de |
| 09:09.10 | Neebler | ad |
| 09:09.23 | ZealotOnAStick | it's not like that. |
| 09:09.38 | Mikk | XRS wins |
| 09:09.56 | ZealotOnAStick | Uses parser-lib, pulls details on the last 30 seconds of a character, information on damage they take, their health amount, etc. So you can see what kills people. |
| 09:11.33 | [Ammo] | does not use parserlib |
| 09:11.33 | ZealotOnAStick | doesn't? |
| 09:11.33 | [Ammo] | doesn't |
| 09:11.33 | ZealotOnAStick | Hrm, I thought I read it did on the EJ thread. |
| 09:11.33 | ZealotOnAStick | I could be remembering wrong. |
| 09:11.33 | ZealotOnAStick | I installed it yesterday but entirely forgot to play with it during raid. |
| 09:11.33 | Mikk | which one are we talking about now? >.< |
| 09:11.54 | FtH|Daemona | hmm nice ck implemented the 2.1 style aura timers in pitbull :) |
| 09:11.54 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35107 10Quartz/Quartz.lua: |
| 09:11.54 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 09:11.54 | CIA-23 | - Bugfix for the bar disappearing when spamming channeled spells. |
| 09:11.57 | ZealotOnAStick | Expiration. |
| 09:12.52 | Neebler | don't! |
| 09:12.55 | Neebler | don't! |
| 09:12.57 | Neebler | DON'T! |
| 09:13.21 | nymbia | O.o |
| 09:14.17 | Neebler | more movies need intermission-esque trailers, just like on grindhouse. those were so bitchin' |
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| 09:19.58 | phyber | 1007.14 < CIA-23> - A mod to see how your raid dies. |
| 09:20.12 | phyber | will it print "ONE SHOTTED BY GRUUL" in huge letters after the wipe? ;) |
| 09:20.43 | nymbia | your raid's health was reduced to 0 before the mob's was reduced to 0 |
| 09:20.54 | phyber | hehe. |
| 09:21.02 | CIA-23 | 03fleetfoot * r35108 10LittleTrouble/LittleTrouble.lua: |
| 09:21.02 | CIA-23 | LittleTrouble |
| 09:21.02 | CIA-23 | - Fixed german translation |
| 09:21.09 | phyber | gruul stomped all over us at 1% last night :( |
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| 09:21.43 | evl | l2dps |
| 09:21.59 | nymbia | man |
| 09:22.11 | nymbia | gruul wrecked us a couple weeks ago |
| 09:22.30 | nymbia | wiped like 3 times after having not wiped for weeks |
| 09:23.05 | phyber | evl: perhaps. we had 15 growths when the tank died at 3%, then he got a 16th at 2% and walked around shouting "PEWPEW" |
| 09:23.26 | nymbia | that's harsh. |
| 09:24.05 | Matrix110 | nymbia got usage for a Data.lua from about 3 or 4 Battlegroups? |
| 09:24.17 | Matrix110 | or not possible to integrate it inside yours? |
| 09:24.44 | Fisker- | anyone know if there is an instance with some herbs in the range of ~220 herbalism? |
| 09:24.49 | nymbia | wait.. huh? |
| 09:25.23 | Matrix110 | i mean can you use a data.lua for Tattle with 3 or 4 Battlegroups i mined yesterday:P |
| 09:25.37 | nymbia | oh yes, please |
| 09:25.43 | Matrix110 | DCC ok? |
| 09:25.49 | nymbia | i have no idea. |
| 09:25.50 | nymbia | lol |
| 09:25.54 | nymbia | email! |
| 09:25.58 | nymbia | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.07 | nymbia | if that's ok |
| 09:26.08 | Matrix110 | lets try DCC first easier:P |
| 09:26.25 | FtH|Daemona | any nat router will break the atempt Matrix110 ;) |
| 09:26.26 | snirks | phyber: twice here |
| 09:26.41 | Matrix110 | only if you cant configure it properly! |
| 09:26.48 | nymbia | hrm.. how the hell do i accept the transfer with this client :( |
| 09:27.00 | Matrix110 | i need to press accept:P |
| 09:27.08 | Matrix110 | but ill just send it via mail |
| 09:27.11 | snirks | dcc is out |
| 09:27.57 | nymbia | ooh i got it |
| 09:27.58 | nymbia | i think |
| 09:28.19 | nymbia | yay |
| 09:28.25 | Matrix110 | my superfast upload now! |
| 09:29.28 | FtH|Daemona | Matrix110 tell me tell me :D |
| 09:29.41 | Matrix110 | what? |
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| 09:29.51 | FtH|Daemona | howto make a nat router work for dcc ;) |
| 09:30.04 | a-stray-cat | fleetfoot == nudge author? |
| 09:30.06 | Matrix110 | tunneling:P |
| 09:30.25 | fleetfoot | a-stray-cat: Jep, thats me |
| 09:30.39 | a-stray-cat | hawt, love that little mod. |
| 09:30.53 | Matrix110 | but well mostly not worth the effort to make DCC work as you rarely use it |
| 09:31.08 | a-stray-cat | can i interest you in some feature requests though? :p |
| 09:31.24 | fleetfoot | a-stray-cat: Sure thing, im in the process of rewriting some stuff for it anyway :) |
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| 09:33.47 | Sais | FtH|Daemona: http://www.portforward.com |
| 09:37.41 | FtH|Daemona | Sais i know how portforwarding works, i just never got it to work with dcc |
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| 09:39.11 | Sais | What client are you using? There are basic step-by-step instructions for router/client combinations on that site |
| 09:40.05 | Sais | I have it working, and I know many others who also have ;) |
| 09:42.33 | Sais | And there's also passive DCC - but just moves the setup rewquirements to the other end of the connection ;) |
| 09:42.35 | Mikk | Helps to have a client that you can actually tell what ports to use |
| 09:42.49 | Sais | yep |
| 09:43.03 | FtH|Daemona | well the guide is flawed, but i gues i grabbed the essentials ;) |
| 09:43.04 | Mikk | "Please forward everything from 1024-65535 to your inside host" isn't my idea of firewalling =P |
| 09:43.11 | FtH|Daemona | agreed. |
| 09:43.24 | Sais | lol |
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| 09:43.47 | FtH|Daemona | especially when the guide suggest setting the clients dcc range to 10051-10070 and then you are told to forward ports 1024-5000 |
| 09:43.48 | FtH|Daemona | ... |
| 09:44.04 | Mikk | blurgh |
| 09:44.29 | FtH|Daemona | that sounds somewhat wrong doesnt it? |
| 09:44.40 | Mikk | wrong, and insecure |
| 09:44.48 | wobin | nymbia: Quartz looks nifty |
| 09:44.50 | Matrix110 | Port Forwarding is insecure:P |
| 09:44.51 | FtH|Daemona | or did i misunderstand how the dcc handshake works? |
| 09:45.00 | Mikk | no, you got it right |
| 09:45.06 | Mikk | you negotiate a port number to use in-band |
| 09:45.11 | Sais | Yeah - that's a known issue - it' been s on their forum for ages; I guess they still haven't done anything about it |
| 09:45.16 | wobin | Then you give the secret handshake |
| 09:45.17 | FtH|Daemona | Matrix110 having an internet connection is unsafe for the start ;) |
| 09:45.17 | Mikk | then a connection gets opened from one end to the other on the port in question |
| 09:45.40 | Mikk | hmm... is the IP number also negotiated like with ftp? i don't bloody remember |
| 09:45.44 | nymbia | wobin: thanks :) |
| 09:45.49 | Mikk | cause any NAT will break that unless it rewrites the data stream |
| 09:45.50 | Matrix110 | well ok FtH|Daemona but having all ports stealthed is a bit safer:P |
| 09:46.14 | nymbia | Matrix110: i'll get that data committed up in a few, just got dragged into heroic underbog |
| 09:46.23 | FtH|Daemona | mikk i am asking that myself atm :) wondering if i have to open up that lower ports for the handshake ... guess i go back to what i always use... hand out temp-ftp accounts ;) |
| 09:46.28 | Matrix110 | k nymbia take your time:P |
| 09:46.30 | Mikk | (and fwiw, the main source of problems today is connecting out to bad shit... like.. well.. using internet explorer and surfing popular web sites that have been owned... :P ) |
| 09:47.00 | FtH|Daemona | yeah... should force anyone to install Firefox and noscript -.- |
| 09:47.16 | Matrix110 | IE6 |
| 09:47.19 | phyber | FtH|Daemona: you would have to open 20-21 and then a range somewhere higher for passive connections |
| 09:47.19 | Matrix110 | 7 is a bit better |
| 09:47.32 | Mikk | IE is fundamentally flawed either way |
| 09:47.44 | phyber | actually, you wouldn't need to open 20. active is outgoing ;) |
| 09:47.45 | FtH|Daemona | phyber i got some fth server at a collocation provider :) |
| 09:47.49 | Matrix110 | but FF and noscript is the way to go:) |
| 09:47.50 | FtH|Daemona | ftp -.- |
| 09:47.52 | FtH|Daemona | lawl |
| 09:48.01 | phyber | hehe :) |
| 09:48.03 | Mikk | Aye, 20 is the source port for outgoing connections |
| 09:48.06 | Sais | Mikk: For DCC the sender sends the IP and port to connect to to the receiver. But the nat should take care of that - you just have to send the external ip in the send packet |
| 09:48.20 | Sais | (and a port specific to your machine, of course |
| 09:48.38 | Mikk | Sais: Ah, yeah, true, if you know the external IP of your box, your client could be configured to lie about it |
| 09:49.05 | FtH|Daemona | k, so basically forwarding 5 random ports to my client machine, setting those 5 ports in my irc client and making the irc client aware of my external ip should be sufficient? |
| 09:49.07 | phyber | just use passive DCC and pray that the other side is setup correctly ;) |
| 09:49.14 | Mikk | FtH|Daemona: aye |
| 09:49.48 | Sais | with iptables I think you can re-write the outbound dcc packets, but I never pfound I needed to. |
| 09:50.02 | Mikk | heh |
| 09:50.02 | FtH|Daemona | opening and forwarding ports on starting dcc :X |
| 09:50.07 | Sais | has been suggested before ;D |
| 09:50.07 | Mikk | problem with upnp |
| 09:50.16 | Mikk | is that windows registers its own listening ports with upnp |
| 09:50.20 | Mikk | like 135 |
| 09:50.28 | Mikk | i don't like upnp :> |
| 09:50.55 | FtH|Daemona | well i like my hacked wrt54gs :) i just blacklist ports :X |
| 09:51.19 | Sais | Would that imply that you open up your internal smb stuff to the outside world by default?? |
| 09:51.24 | clad|interview | FtH|Daemona: tomato ftw |
| 09:51.40 | Mikk | Sais: No, but RPC (Remote Procedure Call) |
| 09:51.42 | FtH|Daemona | clad|interview naah i stick to dd-wrt :) |
| 09:51.47 | clad|interview | boo :P |
| 09:52.06 | FtH|Daemona | but i guess i will grab another wrt-style router just to meddle with usb and shit |
| 09:52.09 | Sais | Oh, I thought 135 was smb |
| 09:52.13 | harl|away | hm. trackerfu won't budge |
| 09:52.37 | Mikk | no, 139 is smb |
| 09:52.45 | Mikk | 137 is name resolution (broadcast) |
| 09:52.57 | FtH|Daemona | i generally just block 130-140 :) |
| 09:53.19 | Mikk | ok, do you block 445 too? |
| 09:53.20 | Sais | and 445 ;) |
| 09:53.22 | Fisker- | i usually just block 1-1024 |
| 09:53.25 | phyber | shouldn't you generally just block /everything/ and just poke holes in where you need it? |
| 09:53.29 | phyber | picking random things to block = bad. |
| 09:53.32 | Mikk | phyber: idd |
| 09:55.10 | Mikk | Fisker-: you haven't noticed ports like 1025, 1027, 1028 etc sitting around in listening state on your box then? |
| 09:55.14 | Mikk | Those are RPC applications |
| 09:55.33 | Mikk | And, no, you can't assume they'll always live there. They can get moved around :> |
| 09:56.54 | FtH|Daemona | well usually your nat router blocks anything no mater what. so yes you poke holes generally |
| 09:57.15 | FtH|Daemona | thats why most nat routers are idiot proof unless someone places his machine into the "dmz" |
| 09:57.43 | FtH|Daemona | i like that name on a router with 1 wan and 4 lan ports ... and no dedicated dmz port.. naming it dmz cause all ports get forwarded to that ip |
| 09:57.46 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35109 10Violation/ (Violation.lua Violation.toc libs/): Violation: add SharedMedia support for bar texture |
| 09:59.05 | Mikk | urgh blergh blech |
| 09:59.08 | Mikk | "dmz" |
| 09:59.17 | Mikk | talk about a term that got raped |
| 09:59.25 | clad|interview | lol |
| 10:00.01 | Mikk | started out as "the zone between your outer and inner firewall" |
| 10:00.12 | todd` | wtb prat module to control chat frame positions/sizes |
| 10:00.13 | Mikk | became "separate port on your single firewall", which is still ok, mind |
| 10:00.15 | todd` | would that even be possible? |
| 10:00.17 | FtH|Daemona | nothing but a seperate ethx and subnet associated to it deserves the name dmz port |
| 10:00.34 | Mikk | well err the subnet requirement is ... not =) |
| 10:00.40 | Mikk | but yeah separate broadcast segment |
| 10:01.20 | Mikk | todd`: should be totally possible |
| 10:01.25 | FtH|Daemona | mikk, the eperate subnet makes it just more idiot proof :D |
| 10:01.57 | Mikk | aye, i'm not saying it's a bad idea. it may just be inconvenient when your ISP only gave you like 2 addresses :> |
| 10:02.31 | Mikk | speaking of prat |
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| 10:02.45 | FtH|Daemona | well yeah, then split the 2 addresses to 2 interfaces and seperate the broadcast domains yeah :) |
| 10:02.48 | Mikk | i want a prat module that i can tell about a number of channels that i always want to be in on a number of toons |
| 10:02.53 | Sais | BTW, re uPnP in mIRC: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2pkvjr |
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| 10:08.00 | FtH|Daemona | wow @ Sais 2 years of discussion and no official answer :D |
| 10:08.24 | Mikk | that reminds me of another stupid mod i was meaning to write... something that autoreports afk/not ready people back to raidchat so i don't have to re-type them |
| 10:08.41 | Mikk | 10 lines of lua ftw :> |
| 10:09.29 | FtH|Daemona | i think i asked moonsorrow to add that to xrs some time back including it into the buff-ready-check |
| 10:10.21 | Mikk | i was thinking standalone here so i can slack in parties too :> |
| 10:10.36 | Mikk | (actually, i want xrs to work in parties even >.<) |
| 10:11.11 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35110 10Violation/Violation.lua: Violation: optimize violationUser table for quicker access when gathering data. Also update it upon receiving comm for a certain module from a user. |
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| 10:21.31 | Fisker- | OMFG nymbia |
| 10:21.37 | Fisker- | you fucking rock |
| 10:22.18 | nymbia | O.o |
| 10:22.39 | Fisker- | pretty cool feature with a castingbar extending all queued items :P |
| 10:22.52 | nymbia | hehe :) |
| 10:22.55 | nymbia | kergoth's idea ;) |
| 10:23.51 | Fisker- | could use seconds though :P |
| 10:24.46 | evl | [Ammo]: does violation do now, the same as DamageMeters, more/less? |
| 10:24.48 | nymbia | hrm |
| 10:24.55 | nymbia | i just threw the buff rounding on there |
| 10:25.02 | evl | nymbia: so when i craft something I get a castbar for all queued items? |
| 10:25.26 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 10:26.28 | nymbia | evl: a big castbar for all items together |
| 10:26.33 | Fisker- | http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7943/h4xvi5.jpg |
| 10:26.42 | a-stray-cat | what happens if you do k = x or y |
| 10:26.49 | a-stray-cat | where x = false and y = something? |
| 10:27.05 | a-stray-cat | does k end up y? |
| 10:28.25 | nymbia | yes |
| 10:28.31 | a-stray-cat | thanks |
| 10:31.11 | evl | wish lua had the ternary operator though :) |
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| 10:32.03 | krka | i'm glad it doesn't. lua doesn't need more syntax |
| 10:32.25 | evl | My favorite language is ruby, it has even less |
| 10:32.42 | krka | function tern(c, a, b) if c then return a end return b end |
| 10:32.45 | krka | should be enough |
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| 10:39.44 | evl | Violation only picks up numbers for those who have it installed yes? |
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| 10:40.34 | _icetrain | hmm my damage in the violation GUI (the bar) differs from the tooltip |
| 10:40.47 | [Ammo] | impossible? |
| 10:40.50 | _icetrain | bar is wrong when comparing to damagemeters and tooltips is correct |
| 10:41.06 | [Ammo] | it uses the same data |
| 10:41.21 | _icetrain | just shot some are Dr Boom, missing 400dmg on the bar :) |
| 10:41.25 | _icetrain | at* |
| 10:41.35 | [Ammo] | it uses the same data |
| 10:42.00 | [Ammo] | so it can't differ unless something updated the tooltip, but not the gui |
| 10:42.16 | [Ammo] | and they are both updated in the same updateloop |
| 10:43.02 | _icetrain | sec il show you a screenie :) |
| 10:43.52 | Neebler | I'm surprised the WoW developers havn't made an official damagemeter addon yet |
| 10:44.11 | evl | It's a PITA |
| 10:44.12 | evl | :) |
| 10:45.16 | [Ammo] | icetrain if yuo resize does it add the data? |
| 10:45.26 | a-stray-cat | they have one already for bgs, how hard could it be to have one for pve? |
| 10:45.34 | evl | Does anyone know if UNIT_SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTED is triggered now matter what the interrupt was? I am trying to detect if I successfully abort the spell being cast with kick/gouge/stun/blind/whatever |
| 10:46.04 | _icetrain | [Ammo]: yup, gui probably just missed the last update |
| 10:46.06 | a-stray-cat | im pretty sure you get SPELLCAST_FAILED if it fails |
| 10:46.17 | [Ammo] | _icetrain: yeah there is a small problem with the dirty flag etc |
| 10:46.25 | Mikk | failed isn't the same as interrupted tho |
| 10:46.28 | [Ammo] | or rather it's used for 2 kinda of dirty |
| 10:46.34 | Neebler | perhaps they have too much on their plate right now with 2.1 pretty much being 2.0 over again. They may possibly impliment that BG damagemeter addon they have into PVE, definately forseeable |
| 10:46.36 | Mikk | failed is... out of reags... target died while casting ... |
| 10:46.51 | a-stray-cat | you moved, it was stopped because you were silenced |
| 10:46.54 | evl | wasn't FAILED removed in 2.0? |
| 10:46.58 | a-stray-cat | right? |
| 10:47.00 | _icetrain | [Ammo]: ok :) |
| 10:47.08 | a-stray-cat | really? i may be really behind :P |
| 10:47.09 | Mikk | was it? |
| 10:47.41 | Mikk | "Fired when a spell fails. Will correctly fire for spells failing due to lack of mana as of 1.11. Removed in 2.0" |
| 10:47.43 | Mikk | there we go : |
| 10:47.49 | nymbia | _FAILED is still there |
| 10:47.59 | nymbia | but doesnt fire often |
| 10:48.11 | Mikk | oh wait |
| 10:48.11 | nymbia | just when you smack a button and it doesnt start casting, afaik |
| 10:48.15 | Mikk | "SPELLCAST_FAILED" <- removed |
| 10:48.22 | Mikk | "UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED" <- added |
| 10:48.32 | a-stray-cat | oh, right |
| 10:49.52 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35111 10Violation/Violation.lua: Violation: keep tooltip update in sync with bar update |
| 10:49.59 | [Ammo] | that should fix it icetrain |
| 10:49.59 | CIA-23 | 03bom * r35112 10Depot/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 10:49.59 | CIA-23 | Depot |
| 10:49.59 | CIA-23 | - delete function OnTooltipUpdate |
| 10:49.59 | CIA-23 | - delete Tablet2.0 |
| 10:49.59 | CIA-23 | - corrected tooltip |
| 10:50.18 | a-stray-cat | i thought failed went off whenever you stopped casting early? |
| 10:50.37 | evl | but what's the difference between _FAILED and _INTERUPTED? |
| 10:50.45 | a-stray-cat | interrupted is when you get delays, isn't it? |
| 10:50.47 | a-stray-cat | when you're being hit? |
| 10:50.57 | ven | counterspell maybe? |
| 10:51.01 | nymbia | interrupted is when you stop it by moving |
| 10:51.06 | a-stray-cat | oh |
| 10:51.10 | a-stray-cat | nevermind |
| 10:51.25 | nymbia | i think when you get cspelled it might just fire _STOP |
| 10:51.26 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Spell |
| 10:51.28 | evl | failed is when something or someone purposefully makes your cast stop? |
| 10:51.40 | Mikk | _INTERRUPTED is someone making you stop |
| 10:51.49 | Mikk | _DELAYED is getting hit |
| 10:51.57 | nymbia | evl: failed is when you dont have enough mana to start the cast or something |
| 10:52.06 | evl | aha, thanks, i'll go with interrupted |
| 10:52.11 | a-stray-cat | im guessing failed also goes off when you're out of range |
| 10:52.19 | a-stray-cat | or your target runs out of range, etc. |
| 10:52.31 | Neebler | Is SRA compatable with the itemcheck/readycheck/MTtarget code that CT_RA and oRA2 use? |
| 10:52.53 | Neebler | I'm guessing its a ct_ra type addon from the "sra" name, but the description of it doesn't help :\ |
| 10:53.06 | [Ammo] | the name means nothing |
| 10:53.14 | [Ammo] | and it's not compatible |
| 10:53.17 | _icetrain | [Ammo]: yep, works like a charm now :) |
| 10:53.18 | [Ammo] | CTRA's comm is retarded |
| 10:53.30 | [Ammo] | SRA uses it's own better comm |
| 10:53.39 | Neebler | oh snap. I'm pasting that into #wowi-lounge where Cide chills |
| 10:54.09 | evl | [Ammo]: Violation tracks me and other violation users, yes/no? |
| 10:54.20 | Neebler | yes |
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| 10:54.36 | evl | I'd give my left nut to replace DamageMeters :P |
| 10:54.47 | a-stray-cat | swstats works pretty well |
| 10:54.49 | [Ammo] | evl: it tracks yourself, and other violation users as well as tracks noonusers |
| 10:54.51 | Neebler | just get 1 ranged and 1 melee in your raid to use it |
| 10:54.56 | [Ammo] | but the nonusers are fucked |
| 10:54.57 | evl | oh, neat |
| 10:55.09 | evl | I mainly use it in 5-man |
| 10:55.19 | [Ammo] | comparing violation to sws or damagemeters will not work since violation is far from done |
| 10:55.38 | evl | nice work though :) |
| 10:56.17 | Neebler | but seeing as how it uses parserlib, does it catch and register all damage done? |
| 10:56.40 | Neebler | or is it inconsistant? if not then I'd consider it done |
| 10:57.30 | Neebler | because how much more can a damagemeter type addon do, other than track and add up numbers? |
| 10:57.41 | [Ammo] | the problem is out of range |
| 10:57.43 | [Ammo] | and not getting enough info |
| 10:57.51 | [Ammo] | violation is pretty correct in 5 mans |
| 10:58.00 | [Ammo] | due to everyone being in the vicinity and the same party |
| 10:58.04 | [Ammo] | in raids there are other problems |
| 10:58.09 | [Ammo] | but it's being worked on |
| 10:58.17 | evl | can't you just increase the combat log range? |
| 10:58.25 | [Ammo] | that does not work anymore |
| 10:58.31 | [Ammo] | hence it was removed from bigwigs as well |
| 10:58.44 | evl | It would be so fucking easy for Blizzard to add UNIT_DAMAGE_DONE(from, to, amount) UNIT_DAMAGE_HEALED(from, to, amount) |
| 10:59.47 | a-stray-cat | you should add what with ;P |
| 10:59.54 | a-stray-cat | because people want to know that |
| 11:00.03 | evl | yeah anyway, you get my point |
| 11:00.09 | Neebler | request it on the offical request forum? or perhaps the UI/macro one, that gets visited more by the target dev you'd want to impliment that |
| 11:00.17 | Neebler | I forget his name |
| 11:00.22 | Stephmw | that's a hell of a lot of data to get realtime |
| 11:00.37 | evl | obviously the cloient already gets it |
| 11:00.45 | evl | how else would you display floating numbers over peoples heads |
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| 11:00.51 | nymbia | well there is UNIT_COMBAT but that only works for units you're aware of |
| 11:01.20 | Stephmw | evl: you get those all the way across AV? |
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| 11:01.29 | Stephmw | evl: I think it's sensible to have some range limitation |
| 11:01.50 | evl | Yeah, so the only way is having people running an Addon |
| 11:01.52 | evl | I just realized :) |
| 11:02.47 | [Ammo] | need to get my head around swstats and damagemeters broadcasting code |
| 11:02.48 | evl | [Ammo]: Granted it should work well in kara too since all the encounters force you to be pretty much in one spot |
| 11:02.53 | [Ammo] | evl: no |
| 11:03.00 | [Ammo] | you get less info from party members in another raid group |
| 11:03.06 | evl | Ahhh |
| 11:03.06 | [Ammo] | so it works poorly |
| 11:03.12 | evl | Whatever, I'll have to stick my DPS in one group ;) |
| 11:04.11 | _icetrain | [Ammo]: good luck, seems like swstats changes sync stuff every other version :) |
| 11:04.18 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 11:04.29 | [Ammo] | but it would be nice to make a leecher addon |
| 11:04.34 | [Ammo] | that reads data from both meters |
| 11:04.37 | evl | Leecher module :) |
| 11:04.42 | evl | not a bad idea |
| 11:04.50 | [Ammo] | and feeds it into violation if appropriate |
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| 11:05.12 | _icetrain | yeah would be a nice feature |
| 11:05.17 | evl | if you write the stub I'd be glad to help with figuring out the sync code |
| 11:06.12 | a-stray-cat | how could you make sure that you don't read the same event twice if you read from both ;O |
| 11:07.43 | Neebler | timestamp? |
| 11:07.44 | nymbia | that's the tricky part |
| 11:08.11 | a-stray-cat | do swstats and damagemeters timestamp? |
| 11:09.03 | evl | problem with damagemeters is that it's one file with 7.500 lines :P |
| 11:09.10 | a-stray-cat | ooh fun. |
| 11:10.51 | evl | DamageMeters.lua:7044:DamageMeters_ParseSyncMessage() |
| 11:10.51 | [Ammo] | the hard part will be deciding what data to inject into violation or not |
| 11:10.51 | evl | is probably something to look at |
| 11:12.55 | yacoob | clad|work, where were you interviewed? :) |
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| 11:14.56 | clad|work | in my home, on the phone =) |
| 11:15.27 | Fisker- | for who? |
| 11:15.45 | clad|work | a company, lol :P |
| 11:15.51 | clad|work | sekrets and lies. |
| 11:15.52 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 11:19.21 | Fisker- | btw |
| 11:19.25 | Fisker- | did US start preloading 2.1? |
| 11:19.39 | clad|work | its possible, i can check my loader |
| 11:19.54 | Fisker- | cool |
| 11:21.47 | nymbia | someone on vent mentioned today that they did |
| 11:21.56 | nymbia | but i didnt see mine fire up |
| 11:22.55 | clad|work | i dont see anything |
| 11:22.58 | evl | patches are usually up on http://www.patchitbaby.com/ right after they are available |
| 11:23.04 | Fisker- | alright |
| 11:24.10 | clad|work | evl: even pre-loads? |
| 11:24.24 | evl | pretty much |
| 11:24.28 | evl | I've dl'ed every patch from there |
| 11:24.31 | evl | nice mirrors |
| 11:24.46 | clad|work | but pre-loads aren't patches |
| 11:24.51 | a-stray-cat | if i have x = {}; y = x; does that create a new table? or does y point to x? |
| 11:24.59 | clad|work | a-stray-cat: it points to x |
| 11:25.03 | a-stray-cat | thankie |
| 11:25.57 | Health_ | ~ugt |
| 11:26.10 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 11:26.13 | Fisker- | next patch is gonna be sweet though |
| 11:26.55 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 11:27.01 | Fisker- | 0. my laptop only has a dvd drive | 11/05/2007 12:59:09 CEST |
| 11:27.06 | Fisker- | hi i have world of warcraft and the expansion, i look on the wow cd and it says compact disk data storage meaning its not a dvd or dvd rom how can i resolve this issue. please help is there any software i can download to help this issue |
| 11:27.08 | Fisker- | ;D |
| 11:27.50 | Mikk | well... he's absolutely right |
| 11:28.13 | Mikk | he just hasn't grokked the fact that dvd readers can read cds =) |
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| 11:28.48 | Fisker- | To be honest it looks like his drive is bugged in vista :P |
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| 11:31.34 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35114 10Tattle/ (29 files in 15 dirs): Tattle: Update EU data courtesy of Matrix110. |
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| 11:41.49 | a-stray-cat | :O |
| 11:45.01 | Neebler | well regarding our damage meter chat a little bit earlier. I just made an official post on the UI/Macro forum asking Slouken if they plan on implimented an offical DM type addon |
| 11:45.08 | Neebler | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102784334&postId=1027863845&sid=1#1 |
| 11:45.13 | JoshBorke | why? |
| 11:45.19 | Neebler | why not |
| 11:45.38 | Neebler | because its the last of the most widely used addons that aren't implimented into the game yet |
| 11:45.40 | Neebler | SCT was added |
| 11:45.51 | Neebler | Enemey Castbar was added |
| 11:46.25 | Neebler | and it's inconsistant and a memory hog |
| 11:46.36 | Neebler | both SW_Stats and DamageMeters |
| 11:47.03 | nymbia | the API would be nice |
| 11:47.13 | [Ammo] | memory is not the biggest issue |
| 11:47.14 | nymbia | i mean, it tracks damage / healing done in BGs |
| 11:47.16 | JoshBorke | meh, whatever |
| 11:47.31 | [Ammo] | anything that tracks statistics will use memory |
| 11:47.32 | nymbia | its not like the technology isnt there |
| 11:47.37 | evl | My biggest isssue is that they both look like crap :D |
| 11:48.32 | dotted | So if you don't respond, I'm making a guess right here and now that an official PVE damage meter type addon will be implemented in an upcoming patch ( I don't see why not ). |
| 11:48.33 | dotted | ahahahahahahah |
| 11:48.43 | nymbia | lol |
| 11:51.12 | dotted | WTB US Account to bitchslap him |
| 11:51.44 | Neebler | meeee? *gasp* |
| 11:52.14 | Neebler | what was wrong with the post |
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| 11:52.37 | dotted | [13:48:20] [dotted]: So if you don't respond, I'm making a guess right here and now that an official PVE damage meter type addon will be implemented in an upcoming patch ( I don't see why not ). |
| 11:52.39 | dotted | that |
| 11:52.50 | dotted | if you dont say anything, i assume you are making it |
| 11:52.51 | dotted | -.- |
| 11:53.24 | a-stray-cat | thats a dirty trick, imo. |
| 11:53.25 | Neebler | well if you think about it, an official damage meter would be the focus point of a patch |
| 11:53.27 | JoshBorke | just because it has been done before for other mods, doesn't mean it should be done now, in this instance |
| 11:53.35 | Neebler | and people would be stoked to have one |
| 11:53.46 | nymbia | not like they need to do all the work |
| 11:53.57 | nymbia | they just need to make the numbers available to us |
| 11:54.13 | Neebler | well then reply to my thread saying that :P |
| 11:54.19 | nymbia | k |
| 11:57.48 | a-stray-cat | can you declare constants in lua? |
| 11:58.03 | JoshBorke | constants? |
| 11:58.07 | JoshBorke | make it a string, those can't be changed |
| 11:58.17 | JoshBorke | but the variable values can be |
| 11:58.26 | a-stray-cat | k |
| 11:58.27 | JoshBorke | in wow at least |
| 11:59.17 | krka | make it a number, those can't be changed |
| 12:00.14 | evl | The whole band is clearly epic geared: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx7GqfQCZeg |
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| 12:01.26 | Neebler | why hello there computer freezing-for-15-seconds patch |
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| 12:03.30 | Ordog | when does PT3 use its getpage(...) ? |
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| 12:08.55 | zoktar | anyone got disapearing teksupport (not loading |
| 12:08.57 | zoktar | `? |
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| 12:11.52 | zoktar | nm found on forum ;P |
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| 12:14.08 | CIA-23 | UnitActionBars: |
| 12:14.08 | CIA-23 | - Added option to enable/disable warning when default frame group is used when registering a unit frame. |
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| 12:15.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, someone want to reply to this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102914447&sid=1 ... it's RatingBuster |
| 12:15.59 | CIA-23 | 03zuno * r35117 10uab_PitBullFrames/uab_PitBullFrames.lua: |
| 12:15.59 | CIA-23 | uab_PitBullFrames: |
| 12:15.59 | CIA-23 | - If standard retrieval of unit for the unit frame fails (nul) then try the GetUnit method. Reduces likelihood of using default framegroup. |
| 12:16.56 | CIA-23 | 03zuno * r35118 10UnitActionBars/UnitActionBars.toc: |
| 12:16.56 | CIA-23 | UnitActionBars: |
| 12:16.56 | CIA-23 | - Revision change |
| 12:19.29 | CIA-23 | 03zuno * r35119 10UnitActionBars/framegroup/uab_BlizzFrames.lua: |
| 12:19.29 | CIA-23 | UnitActionBars: |
| 12:19.29 | CIA-23 | - Start of Blizz raid frame support (commented) |
| 12:21.03 | JoshBorke | Kirkburn|afk: <3 |
| 12:21.17 | CIA-23 | 03zuno * r35120 10UnitActionBars/ (4 files): |
| 12:21.17 | CIA-23 | UnitActionBars: |
| 12:21.17 | CIA-23 | - Changing frame level to attempt to force frames to always show on top of unit frames (temp code) |
| 12:21.44 | a-stray-cat | interesting way to reply ;p |
| 12:22.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, lol |
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| 12:25.15 | beerke | RatingBuster, on occasion, seems to calcualte some values incorrectly |
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| 12:27.01 | JoshBorke | your mind, on occasion, seems to calculate some values incorrectly! |
| 12:27.12 | beerke | O.o |
| 12:27.36 | nymbia | burn. |
| 12:27.38 | beerke | Though not on this occasion |
| 12:27.40 | JoshBorke | i'm training to be more like ckknight |
| 12:27.46 | JoshBorke | i'm obviously not doing a very good job at it |
| 12:28.08 | evl | you mean training to become a tyrant nazi overlord? |
| 12:28.13 | nymbia | needs more 'that's what your mom said last night' |
| 12:28.22 | evl | or 'in my pants |
| 12:28.44 | nymbia | ~emulate ckknight |
| 12:29.03 | purl | You know why? Because you touch yourself at night |
| 12:29.45 | Neebler | purl got abused by the tyrant nazi overlord last night, and was hesitant to respond |
| 12:31.24 | nymbia | purl, you suck |
| 12:31.43 | purl | and very well I might add |
| 12:31.43 | Fisker- | NO U |
| 12:31.43 | Fisker- | bbl |
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| 12:38.43 | koaschten | ~emulate Daemona |
| 12:38.55 | purl | is that goatse.cx ? |
| 12:38.55 | koaschten | hmmm |
| 12:39.03 | nymbia | lol |
| 12:39.51 | koaschten | ~emulate nymbia |
| 12:40.55 | purl | your users smell |
| 12:40.55 | koaschten | purl is funny :/ |
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| 12:41.23 | nymbia | purl is slow! |
| 12:41.50 | Megalon | brainlag! |
| 12:41.51 | CIA-23 | 03pettigrow * r35121 10BigWigs/ (Core.lua Karazhan/Malchezaar.lua Outland/Magtheridon.lua): BigWigs: frFR Update |
| 12:42.09 | chutwig | vwee hee hee hee |
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| 12:46.06 | sbu | morning |
| 12:46.42 | chutwig | when i was seventeen |
| 12:46.46 | chutwig | i had a very good beer |
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| 12:48.30 | wobin | Kemayo: You about? |
| 12:48.42 | wobin | ~seen Kemayo |
| 12:51.33 | purl | kemayo is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 9h 6m 57s, last said: 'Only if none of the item in question have been seen on that server since its last restart, right?'. |
| 12:51.50 | wobin | Kemayo: Added in an issue on googlecode |
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| 12:54.24 | wobin | Angry_Dwarf somehow rings a bell as a nick |
| 12:54.27 | wobin | But I just can't place it |
| 12:55.03 | Angry_Dwarf | not sure, I don't hang out in here much =p |
| 12:55.28 | wobin | Nah, it must have been from years ago |
| 12:55.28 | kenlyric | there's a Ben Folds song. |
| 12:55.53 | Angry_Dwarf | I post as this nick on FoH occasionally if you read those boards |
| 12:56.28 | wobin | Probably not =) |
| 12:56.50 | Amadeo | I wonder how much cheating FoH does, with Furor working at Blizzard |
| 12:57.25 | Angry_Dwarf | my guess would be none.. because it would be pretty obvious what was going on if they did try something |
| 12:57.50 | Amadeo | I dunno, they cheated in EQ all the time and nobody really said anything |
| 12:58.36 | Amadeo | Was a weird relationship |
| 12:58.37 | Angry_Dwarf | right.. |
| 12:58.54 | Amadeo | Furor was banned a few times, but was buddies with McQuaid I guess |
| 12:59.09 | Amadeo | haha, did you play EQ? |
| 12:59.15 | CIA-23 | 03gagorian * r35122 10DrDamage/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:59.15 | CIA-23 | DrDamage: |
| 12:59.15 | CIA-23 | -Added AceLocale onto strings |
| 12:59.15 | CIA-23 | -Added Locales folder for foreign Locales. Added koKR |
| 12:59.15 | CIA-23 | -WTB more localizations (deDE, frFR at least) |
| 12:59.21 | Angry_Dwarf | yeah.. you're getting confused I think |
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| 13:00.00 | Angry_Dwarf | Pardo was in Legacy of Steel and used his industry connections w/ McQuaid to transfer a soulbound item |
| 13:00.12 | Angry_Dwarf | like.. back when plane of hate was all the rage |
| 13:00.46 | Angry_Dwarf | I don't think the dev staff were friends with FoH.. considering how much trash they talked about the state of the raid game |
| 13:00.50 | Amadeo | I'm not confused, Furor was the guild leader of Fires of Heaven |
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| 13:01.33 | Angry_Dwarf | right.. but FoH never had the batphone power.. that was LoS =p |
| 13:01.51 | Amadeo | LoS didn't even exist initially, FoH started in beta |
| 13:02.10 | Angry_Dwarf | and I guess everone accused afterlife of getting into the expansion betas for infoz |
| 13:03.21 | Angry_Dwarf | but.. shrug.. I didn't play on any of those servers |
| 13:03.29 | Angry_Dwarf | so I just got to read about all the drama on the boards =] |
| 13:03.58 | Amadeo | http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/24457-more-exclusives-foh.html |
| 13:03.59 | Amadeo | see? |
| 13:04.04 | Amadeo | Aradune = Brad McQuaid |
| 13:04.11 | Tuikku | yup |
| 13:04.31 | Angry_Dwarf | yeah.. he posts on their boards.. because he was trying to get publicity for his horrible new game |
| 13:04.44 | Amadeo | His relationship with FoH started far before Vanguard |
| 13:04.57 | Amadeo | that's why he's posting there in the first place |
| 13:05.02 | Angry_Dwarf | it's true, Nino works for Sigil now |
| 13:05.09 | Angry_Dwarf | who is a former FoHer |
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| 13:05.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Here's a completely random idea for Cartographer ... link the waypoints module to flight points! So it gives you a distance as you're flying :) |
| 13:05.23 | CIA-23 | 03gagorian * r35123 10DrDamage/ (DrDamage-enUS.lua Locales/Localization-koKR.lua Readme.txt): |
| 13:05.23 | CIA-23 | DrDamage: |
| 13:05.23 | CIA-23 | -Removed duplicate localization entry |
| 13:05.23 | Amadeo | I honestly don't understand the concept behind hiring raiders to help you make a game |
| 13:05.34 | Angry_Dwarf | worked for blizzard, look at Tigs =) |
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| 13:06.04 | wobin | Kirkburn|afk: unfortunately, flightpaths are hardly ever in a straight line |
| 13:06.14 | wobin | especially over a few points |
| 13:06.22 | Amadeo | The CM Drokthul locks threads if people talk about forming a server sit-in because they're unhappy about the state of the game, yet Tigole did this in EQ, and Blizzard hired him..so what kind of message is that to the community? :) |
| 13:06.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Would still be cool though :P I do it manually |
| 13:08.52 | Angry_Dwarf | he did? |
| 13:08.52 | Amadeo | yep |
| 13:08.52 | Angry_Dwarf | I dunno about that, I remember warriors and monks doing it to try and crash servers |
| 13:08.53 | Stephmw | Amadeo: message is: Don't mess with our infrastructure. |
| 13:09.41 | wobin | hm, thousands of level one gnomes in IF? =P |
| 13:09.42 | Amadeo | Stephmw: Or else we'll hire you? |
| 13:10.07 | Angry_Dwarf | But I mean Tigole's frontpages are still archived on LoS I think |
| 13:10.15 | Angry_Dwarf | complete with off the wall profanity |
| 13:10.23 | Stephmw | wobin: ever taken part in a Running Of The Bulls? |
| 13:10.49 | Amadeo | Angry_Dwarf: Yeah, it's strange to me...I mean, maybe they're good at designing a game, I dunno, but I'd think twice before hiring someone with a past like that |
| 13:10.53 | Stephmw | wobin: level 1 tauren race from TB around SV and back to Org :) |
| 13:11.18 | Angry_Dwarf | Just because someone has done something not PC in the past isn't a reason to doubt their ability to perform a job |
| 13:11.29 | Amadeo | Also, you can tell how WoW is really starting to head towards EQ in the raiding department lately |
| 13:11.32 | kenlyric | fucking right. |
| 13:11.33 | Angry_Dwarf | he has been professional since he was hired on |
| 13:11.53 | kenlyric | Amadeo: straight into the shitter? |
| 13:12.01 | Amadeo | Professional meaning not talking anymore :P |
| 13:12.32 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Just the mundane attunement/keying |
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| 13:12.35 | Angry_Dwarf | it's true they made him and furor stop posting on FoH/EJ =/ but he still occasionally posts on the official forums |
| 13:13.05 | kenlyric | Amadeo: I stand by my phrasing of what you just said. |
| 13:13.16 | Amadeo | I saw someone post an IM chat with Furor on the forums once, he was talking like he was 18 |
| 13:13.21 | Amadeo | kenlyric: haha |
| 13:13.27 | Angry_Dwarf | lol.. the Xi log.. |
| 13:13.29 | wobin | Stephmw: See, though, that's classy |
| 13:13.40 | Amadeo | So I challenge the professionalism :) |
| 13:13.44 | sdouble | the attunement and keying would make it so there is more to do. Otherwise people would have finished everything again in about a week and then wait another 4 years for the next expansion. |
| 13:13.48 | Health_ | Everyone! krka is famous! |
| 13:13.56 | krka | stfu |
| 13:14.01 | sdouble | this way it took about 2-3 weeks |
| 13:14.02 | Health_ | :D |
| 13:14.02 | kenlyric | lol |
| 13:14.16 | Amadeo | sdouble: Yeah, time-sinks are for money |
| 13:14.28 | kenlyric | gear progression works just fine to slow people up, without absolutely requiring them to go through a set number of hoops. |
| 13:14.39 | Amadeo | it's funny though, people bashed EQ because of how long it took to do things...yet WoW is closing in on that |
| 13:14.42 | kenlyric | The whole attunement fiasco is going to only get worse as the game ages. |
| 13:14.50 | Tuikku | keys/attunement gives also time to blizzard to finish content |
| 13:14.55 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Yeah, imagine a new player picking up WoW a year from now |
| 13:14.58 | kenlyric | Imagine if every guild doing naxx were forced to run people through MC, BWL, and AQ40 just to get them in? |
| 13:15.03 | Stephmw | wobin: http://youtube.com/watch?v=rCNYw34T1EI |
| 13:15.05 | Angry_Dwarf | then you'd have PoP! |
| 13:15.08 | evl | Oh yeah |
| 13:15.15 | evl | Rather than putting everyone directly into T6 |
| 13:15.21 | evl | and crafted gear > anything |
| 13:15.22 | CIA-23 | 03slake333 * r35124 10Expiration/ (. Expiration.lua changelog.txt): |
| 13:15.22 | CIA-23 | Expiration: 1.1.1 |
| 13:15.22 | CIA-23 | - Now when the death option is on the next 5 events after the player's death will be tracked |
| 13:15.22 | CIA-23 | - The report command is no longer case-sensitive |
| 13:15.22 | CIA-23 | - Reports should return fewer false positives |
| 13:15.23 | CIA-23 | - Removed many events that contributed nothing (or too much) to the reports. |
| 13:15.27 | Tuikku | im still waiting to see boss droping cloth caps 8) |
| 13:15.32 | evl | and you won't bother with any of the "old" content because you don't need anything from it |
| 13:15.44 | evl | You sound like like WoW is a race to the finish |
| 13:15.50 | Angry_Dwarf | next patch should have some fixes.. upgraded raid loot, alchemy nerfs |
| 13:15.56 | sdouble | that's how people treat it |
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| 13:16.09 | evl | I don't, all the people I know who do go emo and reroll 123456 times |
| 13:16.16 | Amadeo | WoW had a lot of accessability when it began |
| 13:16.23 | evl | Yes, but that doesn't apply |
| 13:16.24 | sdouble | then they just stand around in town wearing their gear on their mounts |
| 13:16.29 | Amadeo | everyone could pretty much do anything |
| 13:16.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Amadeo, yes, they are |
| 13:16.34 | Kirkburn|afk | oops |
| 13:16.34 | kenlyric | that's because they realize that the finish line keeps getting moved :) |
| 13:16.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Sorry ignore my comment |
| 13:16.43 | Amadeo | No! |
| 13:16.46 | Amadeo | haha |
| 13:16.53 | evl | Oh? there was no attunement to Onyxia? BWL? Naxx? |
| 13:17.05 | Health_ | MC! |
| 13:17.06 | Amadeo | evl: before all that :) |
| 13:17.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Teach me to forget I was scrolled up :P I was responding to "<Amadeo> sdouble: Yeah, time-sinks are for money" |
| 13:17.11 | kenlyric | evl, none of those build on progressive keying. |
| 13:17.21 | kenlyric | you needed to do one thing to get keyed for each. |
| 13:17.35 | wobin | BWL? |
| 13:17.48 | wobin | You technically needed to 'key' ubrs =) |
| 13:17.50 | Angry_Dwarf | You had to do UBRS, man that was tough |
| 13:17.51 | evl | wobin: branding of the hand |
| 13:18.01 | kenlyric | wobin: ah, but only one person had to do that :) |
| 13:18.09 | evl | Oh? Isn't that identical do "Oh you had to do Nightbane, man that was tough" |
| 13:18.14 | evl | to* |
| 13:18.20 | kenlyric | right now, to get into hyjal, think of all the things you have to do. Sure, you're doing it naturally. |
| 13:18.28 | Amadeo | uh...Funcom hasn't even finished Age of Conan, and they just announced a new MMO...lol |
| 13:18.39 | evl | I have an idea for FunCom |
| 13:18.44 | evl | make some fucking money :D |
| 13:18.47 | Fisker- | gtfo? |
| 13:18.49 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:18.59 | evl | Like their investors can handle another flop |
| 13:19.00 | evl | I doubt it |
| 13:19.03 | Amadeo | http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/46909 |
| 13:19.07 | Angry_Dwarf | Cry Gaia |
| 13:19.09 | Angry_Dwarf | looks sick! |
| 13:19.17 | Angry_Dwarf | horror themed, mature MMO |
| 13:19.20 | evl | Warhammer also has a flashy intro |
| 13:19.27 | evl | And cool concept screens |
| 13:19.39 | Amadeo | Warhammer will be good though, I trust in Mythic :) |
| 13:19.40 | evl | Sadly one of it's main features are those retarded capture and hold world objectives |
| 13:19.44 | Garoun | I have faith in Mythic to give actually GOOD pvp |
| 13:19.46 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 13:19.48 | evl | "Hey, PVP is really about that Hellfire thingY" |
| 13:19.54 | wobin | Mature MMO? =P |
| 13:19.54 | Amadeo | Warhammer's the only upcoming MMO that has any kind of promise |
| 13:19.55 | evl | "Capture some shit and sit there" |
| 13:20.05 | evl | no wait, there's something grander |
| 13:20.09 | evl | this thing called "Campaigns" |
| 13:20.12 | evl | which really is just AV |
| 13:20.19 | wobin | Capture some shit, and get other people to sit there |
| 13:20.22 | evl | yeah |
| 13:20.27 | evl | OH, another thing too |
| 13:20.29 | Garoun | Capture shit andsit there, have you watched the stuff on the pvp? |
| 13:20.29 | Amadeo | evl: I take it you didn't play DAoC :) |
| 13:20.33 | Kirkburn|afk | What is it about MMOs that people start gnashing and wailing because everything isn't perfect for them? |
| 13:20.45 | evl | You can do PVE quests and thus get a ton of PVP points |
| 13:20.48 | evl | that is innovative |
| 13:21.01 | Garoun | at least in warhammer if you capture something and then the other team captures it, it actually takes the points away from you |
| 13:21.11 | Garoun | and pve isonly about 10% of the entire thing |
| 13:21.17 | evl | Everyone to The Heap quickly, we need some Zaxxis Insignias to get Gladiator gear! |
| 13:21.27 | Amadeo | Kirkburn|afk: It's not that, it's the fact that MMOs seem to start going downhill after a year or two, usually due to developers losing sight of the game or getting lazy |
| 13:21.57 | evl | I'll try Warhammer but everyone was all "OMG Guildwars looks like the best game ever, pure skill based PVP omgomg" |
| 13:22.06 | evl | But then again Guildwars was repetitive boring shit |
| 13:22.14 | Garoun | GW is skill based pvp :P |
| 13:22.14 | sdouble | I still want to see a shadowrun MMO |
| 13:22.16 | Angry_Dwarf | concept art for new funcom MMO - http://www1.vg.no/bildespesial/show/spesial.php?id=5346&o=0&katId=41 |
| 13:22.26 | Amadeo | evl: Who said that about Guild Wars? rofl |
| 13:22.32 | evl | Lots of people did |
| 13:22.37 | Amadeo | Guild Wars isn't even an MMO |
| 13:22.38 | evl | "no need to grind gear" |
| 13:22.43 | Garoun | the pve aspect is super boring, but you'dbe surprised |
| 13:22.45 | Amadeo | you can't compare the games |
| 13:22.51 | evl | So WoW isn't an MMO the second you zone into AV? |
| 13:22.55 | evl | since it's instanced? |
| 13:23.01 | Amadeo | MMO is a persistent world |
| 13:23.15 | evl | AV isn't persistent |
| 13:23.23 | Amadeo | AV is one aspect of the game, it's not the entire game |
| 13:23.25 | Amadeo | all of GW is instanced |
| 13:23.32 | Amadeo | even towns |
| 13:23.35 | kenlyric | you guys might need to look up these words again. |
| 13:23.43 | Garoun | the towns are persistant ama |
| 13:23.45 | Amadeo | GW towns = Battle.net |
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| 13:23.48 | Amadeo | that's how I compare them |
| 13:24.01 | Garoun | but they are more like UO shards than instances |
| 13:24.01 | Amadeo | it's like a graphical battle.net :P |
| 13:24.33 | evl | Anyway, I'd hate to break it but I feel people need to understand that the expectations Mythic has will require slightly more effort than DAoC |
| 13:24.49 | Amadeo | I think everyone already understands that |
| 13:24.53 | Amadeo | because it's 2007 :) |
| 13:25.03 | evl | but still people answer every nerf thread with "omg fuck wow, warhammer roxxxxx" |
| 13:25.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, Guild Wars 2 will be like a normal MMO, but still free |
| 13:25.29 | Amadeo | evl: I think that's understandable, because WoW took like 75% of DAoC's ideas :) |
| 13:25.41 | evl | It worked didn't it? :) |
| 13:26.12 | Stephmw | wobin: btw, did you notice the added spice? all pvp flagged :D |
| 13:26.13 | evl | and DAoC took half the ideas from EQ and EQ took half their ideas from UO and UO took 100% of their ideas from various text bases MUDS |
| 13:26.14 | Garoun | all except the world pvp aspect |
| 13:26.17 | Amadeo | Yeah! It worked well for DAoC initially too, which is why I still have faith in Mythic to learn from their mistakes in DAoC and make a great game |
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| 13:26.43 | Garoun | blizz completely dropped the ball for the world pvp concept daoc had |
| 13:26.48 | Amadeo | I don't think you can really compare DAoC and EQ...EQ was all raiding, DAoC didn't have much raiding |
| 13:26.52 | Stephmw | wobin: I think it should be tried in outland, personally |
| 13:27.02 | wobin | hehe can you imagine the aggro radius |
| 13:27.04 | evl | How will you aquire gear in Warhammer when all you can do is hit other players over and over again, how will the game determine that I am the better player and not the better honor farmer? How will the avoid the fact that people playing 24/7 will ultimately make the casuals unable to compete? |
| 13:27.28 | ilifin | how does pvp players acquire better gear |
| 13:27.30 | Amadeo | evl: I don't think you can watch one video that explains how the RvR works and judge the entire game, thinking there's nothing else you can do in it |
| 13:27.31 | Garoun | you acquire gear via pve drops and killing other pvp players |
| 13:27.49 | Garoun | in Warhammer everything you kill drops loot/gear |
| 13:27.55 | Garoun | including other players |
| 13:27.56 | chutwig | battle priest! |
| 13:27.57 | Amadeo | Warhammer could be horrible, but I don't expect it to be |
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| 13:28.07 | evl | Garoun: rare drops or tokens? |
| 13:28.14 | evl | Are we talking farm 10000 mobs and get 1 drop? |
| 13:28.15 | Garoun | gear as in REAL gear |
| 13:28.23 | Garoun | like helms, bracers, ect |
| 13:28.27 | Garoun | none of that token crap |
| 13:28.42 | Amadeo | Garoun: is that true? I didn't know about that |
| 13:28.51 | evl | okay so if I get 55 backpacks filled with helms I can't use |
| 13:28.54 | evl | How do I get better stuff |
| 13:29.04 | Garoun | they said it in one of the phone things Paul does |
| 13:29.18 | Amadeo | evl: Stop picking up helms? :P |
| 13:29.33 | Garoun | same way you'd do it in any mmo :) keep killing things till the item you want drops |
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| 13:29.49 | Amadeo | nerf backpacks |
| 13:29.56 | evl | Isn't that the good thing about WoW? A collective effort is more efficient than grinding for a world drop epic? |
| 13:30.20 | evl | You can get gear by doing instances, raiding, heroics, rep, crafting |
| 13:30.48 | Amadeo | Is that stuff not in Warhammer? |
| 13:31.00 | evl | And how will crafting work if all the materials are going to be rare drops? |
| 13:31.04 | Garoun | yes, but until BC Raiding was the only way to get uber gear |
| 13:32.04 | Garoun | either way, I gotta get to wor, have fun! |
| 13:32.22 | Garoun | wor/work |
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| 13:34.37 | CIA-23 | 03whitetooth * r35125 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 13:34.37 | CIA-23 | StatLogicLib: |
| 13:34.37 | CIA-23 | - Fixed line 6285 strfind error (thanks to everyone that helped) |
| 13:34.37 | CIA-23 | - Fixed lines with "and" counting stats twice |
| 13:34.50 | Fisker- | why would they make heling power a battle elixir? :/ |
| 13:35.59 | Megalon | because they hate you Fisker- |
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| 13:36.13 | Megalon | :< |
| 13:37.26 | Fisker- | i knew it |
| 13:41.05 | Amadeo | Fisker- |
| 13:44.14 | CIA-23 | 03wobin * r35126 10FuBar_FuXPFu/ (FuBar_FuXPFu.lua iconrest.tga): FuBar_FuXPFu: Added in rest icon when resting. |
| 13:45.32 | Iceroth | guuyyyss, what addon is filling my chat window with item stats when i hover over an item with mouse? |
| 13:46.06 | Amadeo | chat window? weird |
| 13:46.37 | Iceroth | 1644 [Parachute Cloak] |
| 13:46.37 | Iceroth | 1644 PreScan: 30 Armor, ARMOR=30 |
| 13:46.37 | Iceroth | 1644 SinglePlus: +8 Agility, AGI=8 |
| 13:46.44 | Megalon | its |
| 13:46.48 | Megalon | StatLogicLib |
| 13:46.54 | Megalon | with DEBUG = true |
| 13:47.25 | Megalon | omg |
| 13:47.31 | nymbia | haha |
| 13:48.08 | Iceroth | ok, how do i kill it?) |
| 13:48.22 | Megalon | Iceroth: Edit AddOns\StatLogicLib\StatLogic-1.0\StatLogic-1.0.lua |
| 13:48.31 | Megalon | line 46: |
| 13:48.41 | Megalon | change it to: local DEBUG = false |
| 13:49.08 | Megalon | nymbia: can you change it on svn? |
| 13:49.19 | Megalon | or is whitetooth on irc? |
| 13:49.35 | nymbia | sure, i'll change it |
| 13:50.14 | Megalon | think he forgot it after testing the bugfixes :> |
| 13:51.04 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35127 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 13:51.04 | CIA-23 | StatLogicLib: |
| 13:51.04 | CIA-23 | - Disable debug mode |
| 13:51.08 | nymbia | wow |
| 13:51.13 | nymbia | why's it 7000 lines? |
| 13:51.27 | Gagorian | 7000 lines? That's sickly long :D |
| 13:51.54 | krka | 7000 lines means you did something wrong |
| 13:52.45 | Megalon | nymbia: it's not only 7000 lines |
| 13:52.52 | Megalon | the only variable name used is 'text' |
| 13:52.55 | Megalon | :X |
| 13:53.02 | nymbia | ow |
| 13:53.06 | Fisker- | obviously he made a switch-case on the itemlinks |
| 13:53.30 | nymbia | tons of single-entry tables |
| 13:53.48 | nymbia | and by tons |
| 13:53.50 | nymbia | i mean tons. |
| 13:54.10 | Megalon | i think it can be optimized by a lot |
| 13:54.18 | Megalon | but the first time i opened the file |
| 13:54.32 | Megalon | i had no clue what 'text' conatins now at which point of the code |
| 13:54.37 | Megalon | contains* |
| 13:54.48 | nymbia | ugh |
| 13:54.51 | Megalon | as it's a string, 5 lines after it's a table, then again a string |
| 13:54.58 | Megalon | then it gets splitted |
| 13:55.20 | Megalon | iterrated over _,text = pairs(text) |
| 13:55.24 | Megalon | and so on |
| 13:55.24 | nymbia | he caches every call of GetItemInfo in its own permanent table |
| 13:55.28 | Megalon | very confusing :< |
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| 13:56.38 | nymbia | ow. |
| 13:56.47 | nymbia | i mean, obviously a ton of work went into this thing |
| 13:57.08 | nymbia | but the implementation is a bit.. odd. |
| 13:58.25 | Stephmw | nymbia: I've seen that kind of hackery in other languages from grad students |
| 13:58.26 | Megalon | the only lua files bigger than this, are the data-containing lua's of babble, cartographer and pt3 :D |
| 13:59.00 | ZealotOnAStick | Trinity Bars. |
| 13:59.01 | Stephmw | nymbia: sometimes they miss the lecture on looping, so everything is rolled out, etc |
| 13:59.15 | ZealotOnAStick | Trinity's like 8k lines of code in a single file. |
| 13:59.33 | nymbia | Stephmw: lol |
| 13:59.55 | Megalon | oh, don't have trinity bars installed :> |
| 14:00.37 | wobin | >< |
| 14:00.44 | wobin | Isn't GII incredibly fast and efficient? |
| 14:00.48 | wobin | Why cache the response? |
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| 14:03.35 | Leialyn | Kemayo, can you help me with another PitBull issue? >:) |
| 14:04.11 | Megalon | Is there a gain in caching all that? |
| 14:05.33 | nymbia | wobin: it's not super-fast, but it's not slow enough to justify caching the return in a table... at all. |
| 14:07.56 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35128 10Quartz/ (Buffs.lua GCD.lua Quartz-enUS.lua Quartz.lua): |
| 14:07.56 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 14:07.56 | CIA-23 | - Add a number of requested options. |
| 14:07.56 | CIA-23 | - Tweak buff positioning behavior with regards to overlapping icons. |
| 14:07.56 | CIA-23 | - Re-work some options menu behavior and layout, add descriptions to most options. Still needs a bit of tweaking to look good in Dewdrop. |
| 14:07.57 | CIA-23 | - Re-organize localization file. |
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| 14:14.39 | a-stray-cat | can parser lib tell you when someone around you dies? |
| 14:15.41 | chutwig | so |
| 14:16.15 | wobin | A needle pulling thread |
| 14:16.45 | Kilroo | I should go to an off-topic forum and start a needle-pulling thread. |
| 14:17.20 | CIA-23 | 03whitetooth * r35129 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 14:17.20 | CIA-23 | StatLogicLib: |
| 14:17.20 | CIA-23 | - Added support for Gnome +5% INT |
| 14:17.20 | CIA-23 | - Added support for Human +5% SPI |
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| 14:21.45 | CIA-23 | 03whitetooth * r35130 10RatingBuster/ (About RatingBuster.txt RatingBuster.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-23 | RatingBuster: |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-23 | - StatSummary: "Mana Regen while Not casting" now shows the correct value |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-23 | - StatSummary: "Health Regen while Out of Combat" now shows the correct value |
| 14:21.45 | CIA-23 | - StatSummary: fixed lines with "and" counting stats twice |
| 14:21.46 | CIA-23 | - Added support for Gnome +5% Intellect Racial |
| 14:21.50 | CIA-23 | - Added support for Human +5% Spirit Racial |
| 14:21.55 | Kilroo | Anyone around with large quantities of knowledge about Infinibar? |
| 14:21.56 | Killmore | oh nice ! |
| 14:25.52 | [dRaCo] | whitetooth: the human spirit bonus is 10% |
| 14:26.30 | Stephmw | _Whitetooth_: btw, did you see nymbia's edit to turn debug off in StatsLogic? |
| 14:26.52 | _Whitetooth_ | yep, I always for get that :p |
| 14:27.15 | Stephmw | great :) |
| 14:27.33 | [dRaCo] | I want 10% on my stamina :> |
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| 14:28.30 | Kilroo | I want Infinibar to let me drag things from one button to another. |
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| 14:28.47 | Gngsk | tough luck! |
| 14:29.39 | _Whitetooth_ | oh oops, thats just an error in the log, the code is 10% |
| 14:29.41 | Kilroo | :-P |
| 14:34.13 | Stephmw | Oh dear... somebody just added this image to their email about an upcoming deadline... http://despair.com/ambition.html |
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| 14:35.08 | Gnarfoz | despair.com ftw |
| 14:36.36 | Saroz | SVN is having problems today? |
| 14:36.58 | evl | it's a bit choppy |
| 14:42.05 | Kilroo | Hmm...there are references to "content locked..." |
| 14:43.07 | Kilroo | Oh. By the way. How do I make WAU ignore one specific addon and not try to update it? I think I saw instructions for that and now I can't find them. I don't want to keep accidentally overwriting the Ace2 KC_Items. |
| 14:47.06 | Gnarfoz | did someone clean up /files/ and removed NRT? |
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| 14:58.20 | josh_ma | hello |
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| 15:01.05 | CIA-23 | 03gagorian * r35131 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: |
| 15:01.05 | CIA-23 | DrDamage: |
| 15:01.06 | CIA-23 | -Now uses SecureButton_GetModifiedAttribute() to get the correctly stance modified actionID for CogsBar buttons |
| 15:03.35 | Saint-N | so have all the ace addons started to optimize with the new "load balancers" |
| 15:03.39 | Saint-N | or isthat only ptr for now? |
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| 15:16.05 | wobin | ptr |
| 15:16.15 | wobin | how do they work anyhow? |
| 15:17.24 | josh_ma | Hello, can anyone help me with this error?: Addon\Libraries\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:490: Cannot register library "FrameLib-1.0". It is part of the global table in _G["FrameLib"]. |
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| 15:18.36 | josh_ma | sorry, forgot to say the magic word: "please" |
| 15:19.11 | Elkano | josh_ma, is FrameLib your own lib? |
| 15:19.35 | josh_ma | yes |
| 15:19.45 | Elkano | could you pasty it? |
| 15:19.57 | Elkano | http://ace.pastey.net |
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| 15:21.12 | Bam__ | hello :P |
| 15:21.21 | josh_ma | yeah, sure here it is: http://ace.pastey.net/27033 |
| 15:21.29 | Bam__ | EU login server down? |
| 15:23.22 | m4rku5 | Bam__, seems so |
| 15:23.38 | Bam__ | yea :(( |
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| 15:25.27 | aztecs|Awaa | i just restarted client :/ |
| 15:26.32 | Daemona | yea |
| 15:26.39 | nuoHep | josh_ma, FrameLib must be local afaik |
| 15:27.25 | josh_ma | yes, that was it! thank you |
| 15:29.27 | Elkano | ups sorry, forgot about you while coding :( |
| 15:29.46 | josh_ma | np |
| 15:30.32 | Josh_Borke | another josh?! |
| 15:30.34 | Josh_Borke | :-( |
| 15:31.51 | josh_ma | yes, sorry =) |
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| 15:35.10 | Daemona | login up again |
| 15:35.28 | Bam__ | :D |
| 15:38.02 | Awaa | Unable to connect still for me. |
| 15:38.19 | Awaa | Oh, there we =) |
| 15:39.22 | Kirkburn|afk | ~surprise |
| 15:39.24 | purl | BUTTSECKS! |
| 15:39.34 | harldephin | uhm. all servers down anyway |
| 15:39.55 | Kirkburn|afk | no they ain't |
| 15:40.01 | Elkano | nope... at least some are running |
| 15:40.27 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm watching people log in to mine atm, been playing on Stormrage for the past few hours :P |
| 15:41.20 | harldephin | well, at least they are all marked as being down on the page. and i can't login to check if they really are |
| 15:41.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Josh_ .... argh ... it's bad enough with JoshBorke and Josh_Borke. Now my tab complete will NEVER work :/ |
| 15:41.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Weird |
| 15:42.48 | josh_ma | should I change my name to josh|ma ? |
| 15:43.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Nah :P |
| 15:43.43 | Mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbvP7dT3Dx0 |
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| 15:52.23 | wobin | eugch |
| 15:52.33 | wobin | there's some horrible buff texture abuses on pitbull =\ |
| 15:52.42 | Elkano | explain |
| 15:53.03 | Saroz | fucking SVN is teh broken |
| 15:53.12 | Saroz | at least svn.wowace.com |
| 15:53.28 | renchap | what is broken ? |
| 15:53.32 | kebinusan | must be the mirror you are getting saroz |
| 15:53.40 | renchap | there is only one mirror |
| 15:53.44 | renchap | works here |
| 15:53.48 | Saroz | it breaks on update |
| 15:53.51 | Saroz | dev is fine, svn is fubar |
| 15:54.04 | renchap | what is the error ? |
| 15:54.44 | Saroz | i'll post when it fucks up again |
| 15:54.51 | Saroz | it's like it's missing random folders on the mirror |
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| 15:56.33 | wobin | Elkano: I get horrible stretched textures all over my target window |
| 15:56.42 | wobin | mostly from previous buffs |
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| 15:57.03 | Elkano | well, don't blame me :/ |
| 15:57.04 | renchap | Saroz: pm me if you have errors |
| 15:57.12 | Saroz | k |
| 15:57.13 | shieldb | hmm... anyone have a thought as to why instancenotes would be broken in cartographer? |
| 15:57.35 | shieldb | the module shows up on /ace list but I can't find any way to access it and it isn't coming up on maps at all |
| 15:59.01 | Elkano | shieldb, Incubation behaved strange when I set it to growup. instead of anchoring abouve the anchor bar the still anchored somewhere below blocking the anchor from being movable :/ |
| 15:59.15 | shieldb | "oops" |
| 15:59.20 | shieldb | I'll take a look at that when I'm home |
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| 16:00.28 | kenlyric | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/darthpug-stormy.jpg |
| 16:04.02 | josh_ma | btw, "kkbk" in the svn is broken because it is requesting the external "http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/RosterLib-2.0" which doesn't exist |
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| 16:06.48 | kebinusan | Thats not an svn problem |
| 16:06.55 | kebinusan | thats someone defining the wrong external |
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| 16:08.02 | Bam__ | this piece of code cannot be recommended: CreateFrame("Cooldown") :D |
| 16:08.12 | Bam__ | crashes the client |
| 16:08.40 | josh_ma | oh, okay ty |
| 16:12.53 | CIA-23 | 03renchap * r35132 10FuBar_PoisonFu/ (FuBar_PoisonFu.toc Libs/): FuBar_PoisonFu : Fixed externals |
| 16:15.57 | CIA-23 | 03renchap * r35133 10BananaBar2/ (BananaBar2.toc libs/): BananaBar2 : Fixed externals |
| 16:15.59 | Fisker- | didn't here Bam__ |
| 16:16.07 | Bam__ | hmm |
| 16:16.40 | Bam__ | there seem to be more crashes with the Mac client when using unexpected Lua code |
| 16:17.21 | Bam__ | I accidentally used setfenv(0, {}) once... that caused crash too |
| 16:18.29 | Fisker- | typically mac behaviour ;D |
| 16:18.31 | Bam__ | funny thing is that I get a crash report window... but the game keeps running :P |
| 16:19.10 | Bam__ | though I've always restarted in those cases... don't trust that it hasn't broken something critical |
| 16:19.50 | Bam__ | hehe... I'm guessing the Mac client simply hasn't been tested quite as much |
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| 16:20.47 | Bam__ | grrr... now I cannot connect.... AGAIN! :/ |
| 16:22.30 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 16:22.52 | Bam__ | go Blizzard Europe! |
| 16:22.56 | josh_ma | how can I check if "FrameLib:BuildFrame(def)" returns my expected frame object? |
| 16:23.20 | josh_ma | is there a function isObject() ? |
| 16:23.32 | Bam__ | FrameLib? something new? |
| 16:23.36 | josh_ma | yes |
| 16:23.52 | Megalon | josh_ma: you could use /dump FrameLib:BuildFrame(def) ingame |
| 16:23.53 | josh_ma | it my own lib |
| 16:24.10 | Megalon | and see if it generates what it should |
| 16:24.18 | josh_ma | ok i'll try ty |
| 16:24.41 | Megalon | or do you need a inline check? |
| 16:25.19 | Megalon | don't know if you can do it with type(...) |
| 16:26.04 | CIA-23 | 03shieldb * r35134 10Incubator/ (Core.lua Incubator.toc): Incubator: Optimize boss death handler |
| 16:26.23 | Bam__ | something like assert(type(f) = "table" and type(f.GetObjectType) == "function" and f:GetObjectType() == "Frame") |
| 16:26.35 | Bam__ | depending on how paranoid you are :P |
| 16:27.04 | josh_ma | f:GetObjectType() == "Frame" is very nice thanks =) |
| 16:27.48 | Bam__ | or f:IsObjectType("Frame") |
| 16:28.00 | Bam__ | if you just need to know that it's some kind of frame |
| 16:28.02 | Kilroo | ok, apparently Infinibar CAN do what I want. I just missed the Content Locked setting. Unfortunately it looks as if that has to be enabled and disabled for each button individually... |
| 16:29.25 | Bam__ | for even more paranoia you could do assert(type(f[0] == "userdata") |
| 16:30.07 | Bam__ | insert missing parentheses :P |
| 16:30.24 | josh_ma | lol, thanks but all what I wanted was this, to be sure that a frame is returned by my function: DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(f:GetObjectType()) thanks I got it |
| 16:30.46 | Bam__ | ok... :D |
| 16:33.23 | yacoob | Gohhhh.... |
| 16:33.32 | yacoob | who hired guys from Lost to do Heroes?! |
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| 16:33.53 | yacoob | just watched 1x20, it turned from crappy to so-crappy-that-it-gets-funny |
| 16:34.10 | Mikk | huh? Heroes rocks |
| 16:34.12 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 16:34.20 | Kaelten | g'morning guys |
| 16:34.26 | Mikk | morning K |
| 16:34.48 | CIA-23 | 03bam * r35135 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:34.48 | CIA-23 | ItemPrice-1.0: |
| 16:34.48 | CIA-23 | - Price updates |
| 16:35.17 | yacoob | Mikk, it's getting more and more stupid, and now I have this sick desire to see how dumb and low it can get |
| 16:35.18 | Kilroo | Morning K |
| 16:35.55 | Kilroo | Hey, is there a master database for KCI-Ace2? |
| 16:36.12 | CIA-23 | 03gamefaq * r35136 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: |
| 16:36.12 | CIA-23 | Babble-2.2: |
| 16:36.12 | CIA-23 | - Babble-Spell deDE Update |
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| 16:36.45 | josh_ma | huh? morning? it's evening!! |
| 16:36.45 | ulic | it's morning somewhere :) |
| 16:36.45 | Bam__ | ~ugt |
| 16:36.48 | purl | [ugt] Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 16:37.06 | josh_ma | just kiddin, i'm not so dumb |
| 16:37.12 | Bam__ | ^^ purl knows :) |
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| 16:39.50 | ulic | ok, who broke curse? :) |
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| 16:45.38 | renchap | i have a weird issue with wow and linux |
| 16:45.42 | renchap | i cant disable addons |
| 16:46.17 | [dRaCo] | no rights to change your addons.txt? |
| 16:47.15 | Kemayo | wobin: Thanks for the bug report -- I've fixed it and am just releasing a new version. |
| 16:47.49 | chutwig | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32590 wtb |
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| 16:54.08 | wobin | Kemayo: np |
| 16:54.24 | Kilroo | ~seen JJSheets |
| 16:55.13 | purl | jjsheets <n=jjsheets@74-136-100-20.dhcp.insightbb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6d 16h 2m 34s ago, saying: 'bluntmaster. sounds like a funny name for a pot smoking dope fiend. :)'. |
| 16:55.13 | Kilroo | I did that wrong, didn't I? |
| 16:55.18 | Stephmw | not necessarily... purl is slow |
| 16:56.03 | Kilroo | Ah. Yes, I knew that, I just thought I'd remembered wrong whether it was a tilde. |
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| 16:59.02 | zoktar | is those "Addon has been blocked blabla" lib related ? |
| 16:59.33 | josh_ma | hey guys, I don't know what I made wrong, but normally there should be a frame shown with this function call: http://ace.pastey.net/27113 with the new version of FrameLib: http://ace.pastey.net/27110-2pj0 |
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| 16:59.57 | Bam__ | zoktar: not sure what you mean.. but the wrong addon is often reported as the culprit |
| 17:00.15 | Antiarc|Work | 2.1 is downloading via the updater. |
| 17:00.22 | Antiarc|Work | So it looks like we may get it this Tuesday |
| 17:00.22 | Bam__ | ohhh |
| 17:01.20 | Bam__ | Wednesday for some of us :P |
| 17:01.52 | zoktar | Bam__ well for me its like Ace2 has been blocked blabla, disable and reload ui blabla, next time its antagonist, and next time its another |
| 17:02.03 | Bam__ | zoktar: yup... not terribly useful info :/ |
| 17:02.08 | kenlyric | I think it coould still be another week, with the amount of testing that the instances need. |
| 17:02.22 | kenlyric | but who knows. |
| 17:02.30 | zoktar | basicly it blocks all ace2 addons... |
| 17:02.41 | zoktar | must be lib related ye ? |
| 17:02.43 | kenlyric | It's a good sign that they're at least done with the content itself. |
| 17:02.51 | ulic | Antiarc|Work: oh really? |
| 17:02.59 | Antiarc|Work | Yes indeedy. |
| 17:03.00 | Bam__ | it's most likely just one Ace addon causes trouble |
| 17:03.25 | Bam__ | so time to disable them all and enable them one by one :P |
| 17:03.33 | rubik | i couldn't get my downloader to pick up anything new |
| 17:03.37 | ulic | what's the name of the downloader process? I don't think it is for me. |
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| 17:04.18 | Pneu | anyone know why AuldLangSyne has started spamming with "xxx is already your friend" when i log in? |
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| 17:05.01 | Funkeh` | hi all |
| 17:05.10 | wobin | It felt you were feeling insecure and wanted to reassure you? |
| 17:05.16 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
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| 17:05.40 | Pneu | proably |
| 17:05.46 | wobin | night all |
| 17:06.01 | Pneu | the annoying thing is, it says 3 of the players cannot be found, but i dont know which :< |
| 17:06.52 | wobin | time to /who everyone =) |
| 17:07.56 | josh_ma_ | sorry my connection has been cut, how can I relog with my old username, because I'm logged in two time now, 1time with "josh_ma" and one time with "josh_ma_" ? |
| 17:07.56 | stavmar | Got a question about pitbul, one of my guildies said the following: "When people are moved in groups, it leaves their name where they were before, but moved their health bar to their new position...so clicking on them selects someone else and I can't tell whose health is going down" Anyone heard of this before? |
| 17:09.04 | Pneu | seems my SV for ALS has a load of old friends in which i supposedly deleted from my friends lists |
| 17:09.06 | CIA-23 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk * r35137 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Gas-2.2/Babble-Gas-2.2.lua: |
| 17:09.06 | CIA-23 | Babble-2.2: Babble-Gas-2.2 |
| 17:09.06 | CIA-23 | - Added deDE translations provided by Hendrik |
| 17:09.53 | Bam__ | SetOverrideBindingClick(owner, isPriority, "KEY", "ButtoName"[,"mouseButton"]) <--- what role does owner play here? |
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| 17:17.47 | rubik | someone got a torrent for the 2.1 patch? |
| 17:17.59 | rubik | (those of you that got the downloader starting to download) |
| 17:19.44 | kergoth | Cpu usage.. Lib: Ace2 - 58% .. yeah, that's useful |
| 17:23.08 | Megalon | rubik, you can extract the torrent from the downloader.exe |
| 17:23.40 | rubik | yeah, i know.. sorry, i meant my downloader is not picking up the update.. so there is no 2.1 downloader.exe file |
| 17:23.50 | rubik | or i'd extract it myself, you're right |
| 17:23.55 | Megalon | oh |
| 17:24.18 | Ominous | what does setmetatable({}, {__mode='k'}) actually do? |
| 17:24.20 | Megalon | do you have the enGB locale? |
| 17:24.30 | kergoth | Ominous: makes it a weak keyed table. |
| 17:25.06 | kergoth | anything stored as the -key- (not the value) will not be a strong reference, so it being as the key in that table wont prevent it from being gc'd |
| 17:25.20 | rubik | my client is enUS if that was for me.. heh |
| 17:25.22 | kergoth | see the lua reference manual or PiL |
| 17:25.22 | wobin | It's all very myffic |
| 17:25.29 | Saint-N | 2.1 for ptr or for live? |
| 17:25.34 | Ominous | kk |
| 17:25.57 | Megalon | rubik: i only have the files for enGB :< |
| 17:26.00 | rubik | some people reported that (parts of, of course) 2.1 are being background downloaded since yesterday-ish |
| 17:26.11 | Megalon | oh, live? |
| 17:26.17 | rubik | yes |
| 17:26.18 | Silviu- | Oh ? |
| 17:26.21 | Silviu- | Works ? |
| 17:26.21 | Silviu- | :D |
| 17:26.33 | Megalon | my background downloader says nothing there :< |
| 17:26.47 | Silviu- | Mine neighter |
| 17:26.55 | *** join/#wowace josh|ma (n=chatzill@Tfb58.t.pppool.de) |
| 17:27.00 | rubik | right.. mine too.. but some people's background downloaders have started pulling 2.1 data apparently.. |
| 17:27.02 | Silviu- | Not even data for next patch is not avaible |
| 17:27.05 | rubik | anyway.. not a big deal |
| 17:28.06 | hyperChipmunk | the launcher says "Data for the next patch is available." |
| 17:28.18 | Megalon | mhm! |
| 17:28.36 | Tornhoof | not here |
| 17:29.06 | Saint-N | leeching right now |
| 17:29.08 | rubik | what version in the titlebar of launcher? |
| 17:29.12 | rubik | 2.0.12.6546 here |
| 17:29.24 | Megalon | rubik: the same here |
| 17:29.37 | Saint-N | 247mb at 8k/s from blizz |
| 17:29.40 | Saint-N | wheeeeee |
| 17:29.48 | Megalon | pah |
| 17:29.55 | rubik | Saint-N: enUS? extract the torrent for us? heh |
| 17:29.56 | Saint-N | that shouldnt take too long ;P |
| 17:30.11 | Saint-N | hehe ill do ya one better and up it somewhere once it's done |
| 17:30.16 | wobin | yay |
| 17:33.07 | Saint-N | peerid is http://12.129.224.129/WoW-2.0.12.6546-x86-Win-enUS-BKGND is that matters |
| 17:35.20 | undu | ~seen nymbia |
| 17:35.54 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@71-218-137-239.hlrn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3h 30m 21s ago, saying: 'wobin: it's not super-fast, but it's not slow enough to justify caching the return in a table... at all.'. |
| 17:35.54 | Saint-N | http://us.tracker.worldofwarcraft.com:3724/announce |
| 17:36.41 | Josh_Borke | what was wobin trying to do? |
| 17:36.56 | Megalon | the discussed about |
| 17:37.03 | Megalon | StatLogicLib |
| 17:37.11 | *** join/#wowace shieldb (n=shieldb@tachikoma.scf.oregonstate.edu) |
| 17:37.21 | Josh_Borke | oh, ok...guess i missed the whole thing |
| 17:38.34 | *** join/#wowace NeoTron (n=neotron@c-67-183-58-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 17:38.48 | wobin | GetItemInfo |
| 17:39.35 | *** part/#wowace Ozzwald (n=Ozzwald@unreachable.vpi.net) |
| 17:39.43 | Fisker- | eu begun preloading? |
| 17:40.46 | Saint-N | shut em down shut em shut em shut em down |
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| 17:43.07 | ulic | ? |
| 17:43.35 | Josh_Borke | wobin: GetItemInfo is the devel |
| 17:43.39 | Josh_Borke | s/devel/devil/ |
| 17:43.50 | Josh_Borke | wobin: but i wrote a little meta table that cached the results :-D |
| 17:44.14 | Josh_Borke | using function closures and upvalues |
| 17:44.20 | Josh_Borke | it's neat, but eats 5MB of memory |
| 17:45.52 | Ominous | local rogue = { option1 = true } local class = "rogue" how can i access the table rogue with the class variable? |
| 17:46.05 | Elkano | Josh_Borke, you know my ItemDB ;) |
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| 17:48.24 | wobin | local classes = {rogue = { option1 = true} } |
| 17:48.32 | wobin | classes[class] |
| 17:49.09 | Josh_Borke | Elkano: nuh uh, haven't looked at it |
| 17:49.27 | Ominous | bah ok i was wondering if there was a way without creating another table |
| 17:49.30 | Elkano | well, crwals ids 1-40k via GetItemInfo |
| 17:50.09 | hyperChipmunk | interesting; there's a backgrounddownload.torrent in my Cache dir |
| 17:50.29 | hyperChipmunk | i thought they didn't write the torrent files themselves |
| 17:50.46 | Elkano | they started with 2.x I think |
| 17:50.55 | rubik | yeah |
| 17:51.24 | wobin | send me the torrent, hyper? |
| 17:52.06 | Gnarfoz | they do since a while back |
| 17:52.11 | Gnarfoz | can use wowtorrentex anyway |
| 17:52.39 | hyperChipmunk | http://69.14.77.214/WoW-2.0.12-to-2.1.0-enUS-Win-patch17-wow-partial-1.MPQ.torrent |
| 17:54.50 | wobin | '/tmp/WoW-2.0.12-to-2.1.0-enUS-Win-patch17-wow-partial-1.MPQ-1.torrent' could not be opened: |
| 17:54.50 | wobin | IO Error: BDecoder::getByteArrayFromStream: truncated |
| 17:54.54 | wobin | =\ |
| 17:54.59 | ulic | I got an error too |
| 17:55.03 | hyperChipmunk | same |
| 17:55.08 | hyperChipmunk | fiends! |
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| 18:00.42 | chutwig | BRONK |
| 18:01.00 | chutwig | it's secretly a trojan and keylogger and all sorts of other nefarious things all in one |
| 18:02.08 | wobin | IT's a hack |
| 18:02.11 | wobin | And that's never good |
| 18:03.31 | Gnarfoz | hackers are evul |
| 18:03.34 | Gnarfoz | ! |
| 18:03.40 | wobin | 11! |
| 18:03.48 | Gnarfoz | and video games make teenagers violent! |
| 18:03.56 | Gnarfoz | and... dunno of more prejudices right now :> |
| 18:04.15 | Sais | If you're not from round 'ere I don't like you. |
| 18:04.20 | Sais | or something |
| 18:04.25 | wobin | Yeah, if you turn up to a school looking like the Terminator, it's a clear sign you've played too many violent computer games |
| 18:04.30 | Chompers | what are you talking about? |
| 18:04.41 | wobin | Not anything like, you know... maybe having seen the movie... |
| 18:04.42 | Chompers | one of cks projects right? ;) |
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| 18:05.11 | wobin | nah, attempting to get the torrent of the patch |
| 18:05.59 | Gnarfoz | my launcher doesn't even load the torrent |
| 18:06.03 | Gnarfoz | is it not supposed to? |
| 18:06.26 | *** join/#wowace moonsorrow (n=moonsorr@HSI-KBW-085-216-057-070.hsi.kabelbw.de) |
| 18:07.29 | Fisker- | can't get it either :( |
| 18:07.31 | Fisker- | Btw Gnarfoz |
| 18:07.41 | Gnarfoz | y helo thar |
| 18:07.42 | Fisker- | The guy finally started reading the advice |
| 18:07.49 | Fisker- | he's getting a 8800 GTX: P |
| 18:07.57 | Gnarfoz | floating in cash? ;> |
| 18:08.07 | Fisker- | apparently :P |
| 18:08.15 | Gnarfoz | heh, damn good card tho, anywy |
| 18:08.18 | Gnarfoz | *anyway |
| 18:08.23 | chutwig | raaar |
| 18:08.30 | chutwig | my 7600GT is already feeling a little slow |
| 18:08.34 | chutwig | it doesn't get along with aran too well |
| 18:09.41 | Gnarfoz | I'm pondering wether to upgrade my cpu (and thus: mainboard (amd->intel) and thus also my ram (ddr -> ddr2) and ALSO my psu (350w enermax -> 620w corsair) but keeping my x850xt |
| 18:10.07 | chutwig | once upon a time i liked the idea of building my own computer but now the mere thought turns my stomach |
| 18:10.19 | Gnarfoz | why? :) |
| 18:10.26 | chutwig | after 2 blown power supplies and about a pint of blood lost |
| 18:10.31 | Gnarfoz | I work in a damn computer shop, so it's not like I couldn't get my fingers on a nicely priced 8800GTS 640 whenever ^^ |
| 18:10.50 | Gnarfoz | don't blow up PSUs they don't like that :< |
| 18:10.52 | chutwig | if you want a nicely priced video card order it from the US because we don't pay absurd VAT on everything :3 |
| 18:11.06 | Sais | Hmm. £300 for the cheapest here...ouch. |
| 18:11.25 | chutwig | plus the exchange rate crazy favors europe right now |
| 18:11.44 | Sais | And h/w in the US seems to cost about $1 for each £1 you spend here. |
| 18:11.51 | chutwig | pretty much |
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| 18:12.13 | chutwig | cheapest 8800GTS on newegg right now is $380 |
| 18:12.19 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 18:12.25 | Gnarfoz | I could get one for 330 eur ^^ |
| 18:12.43 | chutwig | except you work in the shop so you're getting it at cost or with an employee discount on top of that |
| 18:12.50 | Gnarfoz | nah |
| 18:13.02 | knarf^_^ | Any decent proc per minute addons around ? |
| 18:13.02 | Gnarfoz | hm, wait, let me update my brain-stored prices quicly |
| 18:13.20 | chutwig | according to current exchange rates €330 is $446 |
| 18:13.37 | Gnarfoz | hrm |
| 18:14.15 | chutwig | sieg für amerika und billige computerscheisse |
| 18:14.16 | Gnarfoz | 309 eur for a normal 8800GTS w/ 640mb |
| 18:14.22 | Saint-N | http://12.129.232.127/background/WoW-2.0.12.6546-x86-Win-enUS-BKGND.torrent |
| 18:14.30 | *** part/#wowace Ozzwald (n=Ozzwald@unreachable.vpi.net) |
| 18:14.32 | Saint-N | for everyone who has a real torrent client |
| 18:14.33 | Gnarfoz | ;D @ chutwig's German antics |
| 18:15.00 | rubik | nice.. thanks Saint-N |
| 18:15.26 | Gnarfoz | need that one for enGB |
| 18:15.27 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 18:15.28 | chutwig | Gnarfoz: do germans use scheisse the same way english speakers use "shit" as a synonym for "stuff"? |
| 18:15.51 | Gnarfoz | chutwig: it would be valid, but it's not so common |
| 18:15.57 | chutwig | boring language |
| 18:16.11 | CIA-23 | 03ryuji * r35138 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2:updated and fixed localization zhTW |
| 18:16.15 | Gnarfoz | most often it would be the case when you're frustrated with the 'shit' in question ;) |
| 18:16.32 | rubik | lol @ all the non 'BLZ' clients popping up in peer list for that torrent in the last minute |
| 18:16.45 | Gnarfoz | rubik: what did you expect ;> |
| 18:16.53 | chutwig | i find myself linguistically impoverished when i can't use "shit" in every sentence |
| 18:16.55 | Saint-N | gnar do an iplookup on us.tracker.worldofwarcraft.com for me |
| 18:16.57 | rubik | that'll speed it up |
| 18:16.59 | rubik | :P |
| 18:17.01 | Saint-N | tell me if its the same ip as above |
| 18:17.13 | chutwig | .125 |
| 18:17.17 | Gnarfoz | Saint-N: got a different one |
| 18:17.19 | chutwig | instead of .127, but the rest is the same |
| 18:17.22 | Gnarfoz | same as chutwig |
| 18:17.26 | rubik | who's the brazillian dude in here? |
| 18:17.27 | Gnarfoz | most likely DNS RR |
| 18:17.38 | Saint-N | gnar do an iplookup on gb.tracker.worldofwarcraft.com for me |
| 18:17.40 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 18:17.48 | chutwig | nicht gefunden! |
| 18:17.55 | Gnarfoz | indeed, that doesn't exist |
| 18:18.04 | Saint-N | eu? |
| 18:18.07 | Saint-N | sorry not gb |
| 18:18.09 | Gnarfoz | [DNS] Canonical: eu.tracker.worldofwarcraft.com Numerical: 80.239.178.125 |
| 18:18.23 | Saint-N | replace that |
| 18:18.27 | Gnarfoz | file name guessing? :D |
| 18:18.29 | Saint-N | and chagne the enUS to whatever yers is |
| 18:18.30 | Gnarfoz | should work |
| 18:18.31 | Saint-N | yup |
| 18:18.33 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 18:18.50 | Gnarfoz | http://eu.tracker.worldofwarcraft.com/WoW-2.0.12.6546-x86-Win-enGB-BKGND.torrent |
| 18:18.52 | Gnarfoz | doesn't :< |
| 18:18.55 | Gnarfoz | or wait |
| 18:19.03 | Gnarfoz | trying the IP ^^ |
| 18:19.16 | Gnarfoz | not working either |
| 18:19.19 | kergoth | hmm, does Quartz do any truncation of long spell names? i see that it wraps long ones at word boundaries, it seems |
| 18:19.28 | Matrix110 | it doesnt |
| 18:19.30 | Saint-N | try up or down 1 or 2 on the last number |
| 18:20.00 | Saint-N | ustracker is the announce url and its 125 but the torrent itself is 127 |
| 18:20.17 | Gnarfoz | hrm |
| 18:20.23 | Gnarfoz | 127 has a webserver |
| 18:20.27 | Gnarfoz | but doesn't know the file |
| 18:20.47 | Saint-N | might be a version thing |
| 18:20.58 | Saint-N | you guys are on 2.0.12.6546 too right? |
| 18:21.12 | chutwig | yase |
| 18:21.14 | Gnarfoz | yup we are |
| 18:21.18 | Saint-N | hrm |
| 18:21.29 | Saint-N | well that "should" be the right one when they roll it out then |
| 18:21.31 | Gnarfoz | I'm gonna try deDE ;D although I despise it |
| 18:21.35 | Saint-N | heh |
| 18:21.40 | Saint-N | its bound to exist somewheres |
| 18:22.02 | Saint-N | haha blizz torrent 12k/s azerus 48k/s |
| 18:22.08 | Saint-N | suck it blizz |
| 18:22.16 | chutwig | i am trying to induce my mac to start the background torrent |
| 18:22.17 | rubik | utorrent at 120K/s |
| 18:22.18 | chutwig | but it doesn't want to go |
| 18:22.36 | Gnarfoz | chutwig: same here, bgdownloader says no new content |
| 18:22.36 | chutwig | there it goes |
| 18:22.46 | chutwig | i just re-ran the launcher and it updated |
| 18:22.50 | shieldb | rubik, I'm at 350 atm, but all blizzard peers :| |
| 18:22.52 | *** join/#wowace Ominous_ (i=HydraIRC@81-178-219-78.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 18:23.14 | Gnarfoz | wait |
| 18:23.22 | *** join/#wowace Guillotine (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 18:23.22 | Gnarfoz | maybe I still have those registry entries from back then |
| 18:23.27 | Gnarfoz | that disable the bg downloader |
| 18:23.28 | chutwig | but the background downloader doesn't have a torrent file in the bundle anywhere >: |
| 18:23.30 | chutwig | >:o |
| 18:23.35 | Gnarfoz | it should be in \wdb\ |
| 18:23.40 | Gnarfoz | or \cache\ or wherever |
| 18:23.43 | shieldb | \cache\ |
| 18:23.58 | chutwig | oho |
| 18:24.01 | chutwig | time to turn that over to transmission |
| 18:24.18 | Gnarfoz | gimme enGB torrent :< |
| 18:24.55 | chutwig | should've ordered a freedom-loving american copy instead of a socialist big brother commie-loving UK copy |
| 18:25.07 | chutwig | WHOSE FAULT IS THAT, MISTER |
| 18:25.24 | Gnarfoz | blizzard's |
| 18:25.29 | Fisker- | lolwut? |
| 18:25.35 | Gnarfoz | they could have opted out of localization >_< |
| 18:25.38 | chutwig | freeeeeeeeeeeeedom |
| 18:25.48 | Gnarfoz | enUS doesn't even work for eu, does it |
| 18:26.13 | chutwig | don't have an EU account, couldn't tell you |
| 18:26.33 | Sais | It's not like they spell armour correctly in the enGB version... |
| 18:26.34 | chutwig | i know people connect to US servers with the chinese or korean clients |
| 18:26.48 | chutwig | or at least used to be able to |
| 18:26.51 | rubik | hah.. a utorrent peer from server2.mac.org |
| 18:26.56 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 18:27.23 | chutwig | there we go |
| 18:27.29 | chutwig | transmission is now cheerily chugging along |
| 18:27.33 | chutwig | i am really glad to be rid of azureus |
| 18:27.41 | Gnarfoz | rtorrent on a 100mbit box ftw |
| 18:28.19 | chutwig | transmission is nice now that they've fixed it and it doesn't misreport to trackers any more |
| 18:29.04 | Gnarfoz | question regarding the topic before: is newegg a good place to look for average prices for hardware in the US/ |
| 18:29.06 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 18:29.14 | rubik | yeah |
| 18:29.17 | chutwig | newegg is pretty much the de facto standard |
| 18:29.38 | Matrix110 | we got cheaper hardware than you do i bet! |
| 18:29.46 | Matrix110 | german hardware prices<3 |
| 18:29.52 | rubik | it wouldn't show *average* prices.. lowish-to-best more like it |
| 18:30.06 | chutwig | Matrix110: unwahrscheinlich |
| 18:30.06 | Matrix110 | and we got cheapest Windows! |
| 18:30.17 | Matrix110 | 140€ for Ultimate<3 |
| 18:30.37 | rubik | ewww.. vista |
| 18:30.39 | rubik | heh |
| 18:30.53 | chutwig | 140€ for a do-it-yourself BDSM kit |
| 18:31.01 | Gnarfoz | rubbish vista crap GO AWAY |
| 18:31.17 | chutwig | i have no patience for windows any more |
| 18:31.33 | Megalon | Matrix110: germany and cheap hardware??? |
| 18:31.36 | Gnarfoz | 389.99$ -> 288EUR, which actually is a tad bit lower than the cheapest german price I could find right now |
| 18:31.41 | Megalon | you never bought your stuff in switzerland |
| 18:31.45 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: sure, just see the example right here :> |
| 18:32.05 | chutwig | i dunno, i have a problem reconciling the words "europe" and "cheap" |
| 18:32.06 | Matrix110 | Gnarfoz for what? |
| 18:32.14 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 18:32.16 | Gnarfoz | 8800gts 640 |
| 18:32.47 | chutwig | i did want to go to germany this summer, though |
| 18:32.54 | chutwig | had a nice trip planned out but then the exchange rates somehow got even worse |
| 18:32.58 | Matrix110 | 279€ here |
| 18:33.06 | Matrix110 | but get the 320 |
| 18:33.09 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 18:33.10 | Matrix110 | not much diffrence tbh |
| 18:33.14 | Gnarfoz | there is |
| 18:33.29 | Gnarfoz | no fun with AA at high resolutions with the 320 ^^ |
| 18:33.40 | Matrix110 | oh ok |
| 18:33.48 | chutwig | unnecessary! |
| 18:33.50 | Matrix110 | 2560x2xxx might be bad with 320MB:P |
| 18:33.52 | Gnarfoz | which is... kind of the only difference |
| 18:34.16 | chutwig | i just buy laptops these days, i prefer mobility over the performance loss |
| 18:34.23 | Gnarfoz | even 1600x1200 at 8x or with texture-SSAA will be slower |
| 18:34.31 | Matrix110 | ill get a HD2900XT i think if the prices are as expected |
| 18:34.39 | Gnarfoz | chutwig: if you're only playing wow, that will of course also be fine :> |
| 18:34.57 | chutwig | Gnarfoz: my toddly macbook doesn't really do too well with WoW but i didn't buy it for playing games, and it's manageable |
| 18:35.00 | Tornhoof | no ati ever |
| 18:35.13 | chutwig | i'll probably buy an MBP next time around, though |
| 18:35.22 | Ominous | can you do CreateFrame('Texture', nil, UIParent) or do you have to create a frame then do frame:CreateTexture |
| 18:36.10 | Gnarfoz | blergh |
| 18:36.18 | Gnarfoz | filefront's routing to here sucks |
| 18:36.29 | chutwig | filefront [...] sucks |
| 18:36.41 | Matrix110 | no filefront <3 |
| 18:36.46 | *** join/#wowace Pneu (i=WiN@gandalf.g33k0r.org) |
| 18:36.53 | chutwig | filefront is very pyckling |
| 18:37.24 | kergoth | i'm curious, what happens if you setpoint frame A's right to frame B's left, and also setpoint frame B's left to frame A's right? |
| 18:37.45 | chutwig | universe implodes |
| 18:37.47 | Ominous | you get a game crash |
| 18:38.27 | *** join/#wowace weab (n=asdf@66.89.174.138.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 18:39.01 | Megalon | perhaps, you could build a 'Klein bottle' that way >:P |
| 18:39.09 | Tornhoof | you'll see the data behind the image, matrix style |
| 18:39.24 | Sais | lol |
| 18:39.44 | chutwig | then a holographic image of erwin schrödinger will appear and say CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE SOLVED THE PARADOX |
| 18:39.50 | chutwig | then you wake up |
| 18:39.54 | Matrix110 | its the same question as asking what happens when the Unstoppable Force hits the Immovable object:P |
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| 18:40.30 | Sais | Matrix110: Quantum mechanics takes over? |
| 18:40.33 | Megalon | or some guy will come up and say "but why are my chances winning higher when i switch the door???" |
| 18:40.34 | Megalon | :< |
| 18:40.44 | Saint-N | there's a big loud FFFFWUMP |
| 18:41.43 | ag` | I'll buy an MBP if they put a decent graphics chip in it next time. Else there's no point in upgrading from my Powerbook G4... |
| 18:41.54 | Saroz | LET ME UPDATE MY FREAKING MODS |
| 18:41.57 | Saroz | :((( |
| 18:42.11 | renchap | hmm |
| 18:42.14 | Saint-N | hehe i like the math behind why yer odds of picking the rightdoor pon the second pick are better than 50/50 if you open up 1 of 3 doors |
| 18:42.15 | chutwig | except for the part where the MBP is about 3 times faster in every other regard, i guess |
| 18:42.35 | Saint-N | 3 doors 2 goats one car, 33% chance of car when you open one of the 3 |
| 18:42.39 | renchap | Saroz: sould work |
| 18:42.46 | renchap | *should |
| 18:42.51 | ag` | chutwig: yeah, it is, but it does not matter that much for webbrowsing |
| 18:42.51 | Saint-N | 66% youll pick right on the second shot instead of 50/50 |
| 18:43.06 | Megalon | Saint-N: it's just conditional probability |
| 18:43.07 | Pneu | hmm, i wish wowhead let you compare 2 items |
| 18:43.10 | Saint-N | hehe yeah |
| 18:43.11 | rubik | torrent done.. hmm.. 247mb took 26 mins |
| 18:43.13 | Megalon | but, Bayes > common people |
| 18:43.14 | Megalon | :x |
| 18:43.17 | Saint-N | its still funny to watch people puzzle it |
| 18:43.21 | Megalon | yay |
| 18:43.30 | Saroz | renchap, trying again |
| 18:43.31 | CIA-23 | 03whitetooth * r35139 10TankPoints/ (About TankPoints 2.0.txt TankPoints.lua): |
| 18:43.31 | CIA-23 | TankPoints: 2.6.0 |
| 18:43.31 | CIA-23 | - Calculator: Fixed MobLevel calculations |
| 18:43.31 | CIA-23 | - Better Talant and Buff support |
| 18:43.31 | CIA-23 | - Improved Block Value calculation |
| 18:43.32 | Saint-N | like the deal or no deal |
| 18:43.40 | Saint-N | "you'vegot a 70% chance!!!" |
| 18:43.41 | Saint-N | no |
| 18:44.02 | Saint-N | you still have the same chance as when you first picked the case 1 in 24 ;) |
| 18:44.22 | Saint-N | its just visually more in yer favour now |
| 18:45.15 | *** join/#wowace MadMonk (n=Nuno_Alv@bl4-37-133.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 18:46.00 | Saint-N | wheeeeee |
| 18:46.06 | Saint-N | leeching at 140kB/s |
| 18:46.11 | Saint-N | sharing at 5kb ;) |
| 18:46.15 | Megalon | pft |
| 18:46.17 | chutwig | get off my internet |
| 18:46.29 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 18:46.40 | Saint-N | 1/3 down |
| 18:46.43 | Saint-N | time for a smork |
| 18:46.57 | chutwig | this afternoon's project will be learning about GPT disks and how this mysterious thing starts up |
| 18:48.06 | Megalon | EU still no background download? |
| 18:48.14 | Megalon | the tubes block my internets! |
| 18:48.36 | vhaarr | ag`: ping |
| 18:48.52 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: :< |
| 18:48.56 | Gnarfoz | GET /background/WoW-2.0.12.6546-x86-Win-enGB-BKGND.torrent HTTP/1.1 -- 404 |
| 18:49.14 | chutwig | that's your own fault for supporting communism |
| 18:49.18 | Gnarfoz | interesting way for the bg downloader to check if there's new stuff... it simply knows the name of the next patch and checks if it can get it ;D |
| 18:49.42 | Gnarfoz | chutwig: shut up, you far-away-relative of europeans! :F |
| 18:49.49 | Megalon | Gnarfoz: 2.0.12.... isn't that the live version? |
| 18:49.56 | rubik | sniff where the euro launcher.exe connects to on start-up? |
| 18:50.06 | chutwig | heh |
| 18:50.10 | Gnarfoz | Megalon: sure, it's the "from" part of the patch numbering |
| 18:50.13 | chutwig | i just did a strings on the blizzard downloader binary |
| 18:50.14 | Gnarfoz | rubik: that's where I got that line |
| 18:50.18 | Saint-N | its the update from that version to 2.1 |
| 18:50.19 | Megalon | ah |
| 18:50.31 | chutwig | "closing cuz i'm a seed and so is this guy" was one error message that i'm going to guess it won't actually display |
| 18:50.38 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 18:50.54 | rubik | Gnarfoz: ohh. the GET was attempted by the launcher? that's pretty cool |
| 18:51.06 | Gnarfoz | rubik: it's pretty low-tech, that's for sure ;D |
| 18:51.11 | Saint-N | it leches the .torrent file so that it can get the file list |
| 18:51.12 | Megalon | it works |
| 18:51.13 | rubik | hah.. that it is |
| 18:51.14 | Megalon | :P |
| 18:51.19 | Gnarfoz | but simple is sometimes the best, so whatever |
| 18:51.23 | Saint-N | but it doesnt connect on port 80 |
| 18:51.25 | *** join/#wowace Amadeo (n=amadeo@c-68-50-168-95.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:51.32 | Saint-N | hence the 404 ;P |
| 18:51.40 | Megalon | well, there will be 'serveral' connects, so they should keep it simple |
| 18:51.48 | Saint-N | at least i dont think it does |
| 18:51.52 | Gnarfoz | Saint-N: hum? |
| 18:51.52 | Saint-N | i might be on glue though |
| 18:52.01 | Gnarfoz | the bg downloader connects on port 80 to check for the .torrent |
| 18:52.05 | Saint-N | ignore me and the alst 5 thigns ive said ;P |
| 18:52.20 | Saint-N | i think i shoved the pencil too far into my brain |
| 18:52.40 | Gnarfoz | happens |
| 18:57.49 | Amadeo | I love it when someone spits on you, thinking they're about to kill you..then you turn the fight around and they die |
| 18:58.17 | Saint-N | heh yeah |
| 18:58.33 | Saint-N | flagged hunter pissed that im beating him to mob tag/kills |
| 18:58.42 | Saint-N | himand his mage friend 6 levels below me flag |
| 18:58.50 | Saint-N | i laugh flag and kill them |
| 18:58.53 | Amadeo | haha |
| 18:58.55 | Saint-N | they don't comeback |
| 18:59.21 | Amadeo | I was in Un'goro on my 49 Rogue, ended up dying to some gorillas, and when I come back, I see this 54 Rogue camping me in stealth |
| 18:59.49 | *** join/#wowace gerber^azazoth|h (n=schlort@cpe-70-115-165-126.rgv.res.rr.com) |
| 18:59.50 | Amadeo | she killed me once, since I couldn't really escape from inside the cave, but I came back and killed her a few times, and one time she used all her cooldowns, spit on me, then I had a huge crit and killed her |
| 19:00.50 | chutwig | some paladin attacked my mage earlier |
| 19:01.01 | chutwig | and my mage is frost so it's pretty lopsided at level 54, but i still made him use LoH ;3 |
| 19:01.12 | vhaarr | I had just barely escaped being killed by some NPCs on my rogue alt, and some horde rogue ambushed me - I was at 3%. |
| 19:01.18 | vhaarr | So I ressed and killed him 6 times in a row. |
| 19:01.21 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 19:01.23 | vhaarr | what a nub |
| 19:01.43 | Amadeo | It pisses me off when people don't give me a fair fight when I'm already 6+ levels under them |
| 19:01.49 | chutwig | last night outside kara i was summoning people and was attacked |
| 19:01.56 | chutwig | and for a while it was a 1v5 |
| 19:02.13 | shieldb | Amadeo, why should they give you a fair fight? at a six level difference you're basically quick honor |
| 19:02.23 | chutwig | as the brave warlock steadfastly held back a druid, paladin, holy priest, mage, and another warlock |
| 19:02.30 | chutwig | for about 2 minutes before they finally killed me :( |
| 19:02.52 | Amadeo | shieldb: Because I can win, it's not level 70 or anything :) |
| 19:02.58 | shieldb | If I wanted a competitive enviroment where it was supposed to be a challenge of skill, I'd be in the arena |
| 19:03.24 | chutwig | the amount of skill necessary in anything below 5v5 is somewhat questionable |
| 19:03.32 | shieldb | If we're talking world pvp I'd rather wait until they're occupied with a mob to give me more of an advantage |
| 19:03.43 | shieldb | it isn't like I get bonus honor and a fair fight award |
| 19:03.47 | chutwig | unless you win a fight where the odds are undeniably against you |
| 19:03.48 | shieldb | if I do it otherwise |
| 19:04.35 | Amadeo | I can beat most people assuming gear doesn't skew things too far one way |
| 19:04.40 | Amadeo | even if they're a bit higher |
| 19:04.58 | Matrix110 | i once got killed by a lvl 15 mage at lvl 70:-( |
| 19:05.00 | chutwig | i 2v2 with a shadow priest and our worst fights are ones where it's a rogue + something else that isn't a rogue |
| 19:05.11 | chutwig | rogue + paladin or rogue + shaman, forget about it |
| 19:05.29 | Matrix110 | i was duelling and the lvl 15 horde mage killed me with 1HP:-( |
| 19:05.48 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:05.49 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:06.22 | Amadeo | My girlfriend was dueling on PTR with a premade Mage...used Frost Nova and it hit a boar in Durotar...she lost the duel and the boar killed her |
| 19:06.43 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:07.14 | Amadeo | I tried not to laugh but I couldn't hide it :P |
| 19:07.21 | chutwig | no sex for you for a week |
| 19:07.22 | Amadeo | she was already pissed from losing |
| 19:07.51 | Amadeo | chutwig: Wasn't my fault, it was the boars! |
| 19:08.45 | Megalon | it's always your fault, in her mind :P |
| 19:09.05 | Amadeo | That's true |
| 19:09.19 | Amadeo | They can never do any wrong :P |
| 19:10.19 | Amadeo | "I was healing you the whole time!" "Combat log says you weren't.." "Well I was!" |
| 19:10.23 | Megalon | and if, it's also your fault :p |
| 19:10.29 | Amadeo | lots of those :P |
| 19:10.46 | Amadeo | Oh I know, it's always my fault |
| 19:10.50 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:11.01 | Megalon | "That heal was out!!111" |
| 19:11.08 | *** join/#wowace neko (n=neko@193.net73.skekraft.net) |
| 19:11.12 | neko | Yo... |
| 19:11.25 | Amadeo | Rocky Balboa? |
| 19:11.53 | neko | no :( but who do I contact if I want to mirror the svn? |
| 19:12.01 | sbu | mh patchwork is hard with lvl 70 :o |
| 19:12.03 | sbu | 30 ppl |
| 19:12.48 | Matrix110 | neko kaelten or pastamancer iirc |
| 19:13.09 | Kaelten | we aren't accepting svn mirrors atm |
| 19:13.37 | Josh_Borke | mirroring svn sucks |
| 19:13.49 | neko | Kaelten: kk :( |
| 19:14.00 | Kaelten | ya its a big pain in the ass |
| 19:14.01 | Kaelten | trust me |
| 19:14.03 | neko | what about just the files? |
| 19:14.46 | Josh_Borke | redo files! generate on tag only! |
| 19:14.46 | neko | well |
| 19:14.46 | neko | not everytime they are changed :P |
| 19:14.46 | neko | maybe once a week |
| 19:15.26 | kergoth | it wouldve been nice if dev.wowace and svn.wowace had the same uuid, so you could svn switch between them |
| 19:15.27 | Matrix110 | once a week is quite useless i think:P |
| 19:15.37 | kergoth | now to fix it you'd have to force all the devs or all the users to re-checkout |
| 19:15.51 | Josh_Borke | force the devs imo |
| 19:16.00 | neko | Matrix110: well i'd stil like a "local" copy, I don't need bleeding edge... |
| 19:16.28 | Amadeo | but files is generally comprised of addons in progress |
| 19:16.33 | neko | true |
| 19:17.11 | neko | any stable trees available? |
| 19:17.15 | neko | or "stable"... |
| 19:17.27 | pastamancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.49 | chutwig | oh fuck mother's day is sunday |
| 19:18.07 | Josh_Borke | chutwig: at least that gives you 2 days |
| 19:18.10 | neko | mhm |
| 19:18.14 | chutwig | dilemma! |
| 19:18.35 | Bam__ | flowers not enough? :P |
| 19:18.50 | CIA-23 | 03whitetooth * r35140 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: |
| 19:18.50 | CIA-23 | StatLogicLib: |
| 19:18.50 | CIA-23 | - In 2.1.0: The amount of parry rating needed to get 1% parry has been reduced by 25%. |
| 19:18.57 | Amadeo | I got your mom a gift |
| 19:19.08 | Antiarc|Work | I still only know of one BC item with +parry on it |
| 19:19.13 | Josh_Borke | Amadeo: was it cookies? |
| 19:20.30 | ckknight | hey everybody! |
| 19:20.30 | Antiarc|Work | And that'd be the leather boots out of the Mana Tombs |
| 19:20.30 | ckknight | pants! |
| 19:20.30 | chutwig | delicious cookies |
| 19:20.30 | Bam__ | Amadeo: a WoW subscription? |
| 19:20.30 | Amadeo | Josh_Borke: No, but it has to do with flowers |
| 19:20.31 | chutwig | i see what you did there |
| 19:20.31 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:20.31 | Josh_Borke | i don't get it... |
| 19:20.31 | Bam__ | we got an entire family playing in my guild actually :P |
| 19:20.31 | Amadeo | Josh_Borke: Removal of flowers? |
| 19:20.34 | chutwig | goddammit why didn't you heal me! you're grounded! |
| 19:20.34 | Josh_Borke | you're still a virgin? i'm sorry |
| 19:20.35 | chutwig | BUT MOMMMMMMM |
| 19:20.40 | Bam__ | hehe |
| 19:20.51 | Josh_Borke | i guess we all make our own choices |
| 19:20.56 | Bam__ | dad has been poor from the start because his kids beg for money all the time :P |
| 19:20.57 | Josh_Borke | waiting for the right woman amadeo? |
| 19:21.03 | chutwig | in my old guild last year we had a priest who was in his 50s |
| 19:21.04 | Amadeo | I found her ;) |
| 19:21.12 | Amadeo | that's the story I'm telling you! |
| 19:21.17 | chutwig | he was funny because he was from tennessee and had a really thick southern accent |
| 19:21.21 | chutwig | i used to call him monster truck |
| 19:21.56 | chutwig | his son played as well but none of us ever talked to him |
| 19:22.00 | pastamancer | heh, /files is 15GB |
| 19:22.28 | Cryect | just get your mothers this at walmart it seems http://www.dtguilds.com/images/mothersday.jpg |
| 19:22.35 | chutwig | i hate walmart |
| 19:22.40 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 19:22.42 | Cryect | haha |
| 19:22.46 | Amadeo | that's the gift! |
| 19:22.48 | Cryect | well just look at the image :-p |
| 19:22.53 | chutwig | it's loading, slowly |
| 19:22.59 | Josh_Borke | Cryect: gief wicked cool performance graphs! |
| 19:23.01 | Bam__ | :O |
| 19:23.03 | chutwig | hah |
| 19:23.05 | Cryect | Josh_Borke: its up |
| 19:23.06 | Josh_Borke | (i'm your own personal motivation) |
| 19:23.09 | Josh_Borke | oh, ok, where? |
| 19:23.19 | Cryect | that protractor addon on the svn |
| 19:23.34 | Josh_Borke | kk, thanks |
| 19:23.53 | CIA-23 | 03whitetooth * r35141 10TankPoints/About TankPoints 2.0.txt: |
| 19:23.53 | CIA-23 | TankPoints: |
| 19:23.53 | CIA-23 | - Code for smooth transition to 2.1.0 |
| 19:23.58 | Cryect | Dont' expect much from it at the moment :-p but it basically works |
| 19:24.35 | kergoth | i tried it on the ptr and saw no pie chart |
| 19:24.39 | kergoth | the data on the right was fine though |
| 19:24.39 | Saroz | anyone else having problems with SVN? |
| 19:24.41 | kergoth | no errors from it |
| 19:24.57 | Cryect | hmmm I better test the release I didn't make sure the externals actually worked correctly |
| 19:25.09 | Cryect | prolly an issue with the images |
| 19:25.31 | Cryect | It should be figuring out the correct texture directory but might not be |
| 19:25.32 | renchap | Saroz: i have no errors in my logs |
| 19:25.41 | renchap | maybe its due to the proxy |
| 19:25.59 | Josh_Borke | Cryect: you have problems with GraphLib looking in the GraphLib directory for the textures, last i looked |
| 19:26.46 | Cryect | Josh_Borke: Latest update of graphlib was supposed to fix that |
| 19:26.51 | Cryect | which was like 2 days ago |
| 19:27.09 | Josh_Borke | ok, i haven't looked at graphlib in like, a month :-) |
| 19:27.23 | Cryect | yeah I figured |
| 19:28.22 | Josh_Borke | :-( |
| 19:28.43 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Jarentha@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 19:31.08 | Cryect | damn heh my function to figure out the texture directory I see is screwing up in this case |
| 19:32.13 | CIA-23 | 03ag * r35142 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_Options.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua): ag_UnitFrames: fixed menu option to hide party in raid, fixed hide party in raid event |
| 19:32.30 | kenlyric | hurrah! |
| 19:34.54 | Cryect | strange debugstack trims the front of the line |
| 19:36.42 | CIA-23 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk * r35143 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: |
| 19:36.43 | CIA-23 | DewdropLib: FeedTable() |
| 19:36.43 | CIA-23 | - fixed dumb error that made FeedTable not work |
| 19:36.43 | CIA-23 | - tolerance for first-level entries being direct keys of the passed table, instead of requiring a redundant subtable |
| 19:38.26 | hyperChipmunk | i need a better key than 'sub' to designate the table holding the submenu entries for a line; any suggestions? |
| 19:38.34 | hyperChipmunk | entries? |
| 19:39.05 | hyperChipmunk | i can't think of anything small that really would make natural sense |
| 19:39.08 | Matrix110 | "mud" |
| 19:39.21 | hyperChipmunk | it's basically like the 'args' of AceOptionsTable |
| 19:39.27 | hyperChipmunk | in function |
| 19:40.00 | Matrix110 | or 'dsub' |
| 19:40.19 | hyperChipmunk | wobin: gimme a suggestion |
| 19:40.26 | hyperChipmunk | i know you have one |
| 19:40.28 | Josh_Borke | ymmud |
| 19:41.08 | hyperChipmunk | mud? |
| 19:41.08 | hyperChipmunk | why mud? |
| 19:41.08 | hyperChipmunk | hm |
| 19:41.13 | hyperChipmunk | nextlevel? |
| 19:41.18 | CIA-23 | 03cryect * r35144 10GraphLib/Graph-1.0/Graph-1.0.lua: GraphLib - Fixed an issue with the texture directory being determined incorrectly for addons in a folder of any decent string length |
| 19:41.21 | Josh_Borke | downboy |
| 19:41.23 | Megalon | 'idontknowanynameforthisvariablesoitookthisoneforgodssake' |
| 19:41.27 | Megalon | how is that one? |
| 19:41.33 | Matrix110 | dunno mud was the first short word that came into my mind:P |
| 19:41.35 | Josh_Borke | i think it could be a little longer |
| 19:41.37 | yacoob | (not having Internet access for few hours)-- |
| 19:41.44 | Amadeo | muds |
| 19:41.51 | hyperChipmunk | you'll have to type it as the key for all your submenus |
| 19:41.52 | Josh_Borke | oh you were gone yacoob? ;-D |
| 19:42.02 | Josh_Borke | downOne |
| 19:42.06 | Cryect | heh so any better suggestion on how to do this now that I've implemented as such local TextureDirectory="Interface\\AddOns\\"..string.match(debugstack(1,1,0),"AddOns\\(.+)Graph%-1%.0\\").."GraphTextures\\" |
| 19:42.07 | hyperChipmunk | so i'm steering away from that, Megalon |
| 19:42.45 | vhaarr | hyperChipmunk: "submenu", "menu", "subdrop" ? |
| 19:43.07 | hyperChipmunk | actually, menu ... |
| 19:43.07 | hyperChipmunk | hm |
| 19:43.11 | hyperChipmunk | lemme think |
| 19:43.15 | hyperChipmunk | that's probably it |
| 19:43.37 | hyperChipmunk | if you have an entry called foo, and it opens to bar and baz |
| 19:43.40 | Matrix110 | take 'smdsm' |
| 19:43.47 | Matrix110 | super mega dewdrop sub menu |
| 19:43.48 | Matrix110 | ! |
| 19:44.03 | *** join/#wowace _Saint-N (n=art3mis@pool-70-18-198-82.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 19:44.08 | hyperChipmunk | you'd call the table of bar and baz, in foo ...what? foo's menu |
| 19:44.24 | hyperChipmunk | hm |
| 19:44.36 | hyperChipmunk | foo's submenu, but that's 7 letters |
| 19:45.20 | hyperChipmunk | foo's entries? foo's...grargh |
| 19:45.24 | hyperChipmunk | i know there's a word |
| 19:45.35 | Saroz | ok, since I got home from work at 1600, I havnt been able to get a full SVN update |
| 19:45.36 | Saroz | wtf |
| 19:46.16 | _Saint-N | woo patch downloaded |
| 19:46.33 | Matrix110 | you are doing smth wrong Saroz |
| 19:46.52 | Matrix110 | or do you meana FULL svn update? |
| 19:46.56 | Matrix110 | aka everything |
| 19:46.58 | Matrix110 | or just your mods? |
| 19:47.02 | Saroz | my mods ofc |
| 19:47.07 | Matrix110 | without externals? |
| 19:47.14 | Saroz | it's the externals that fail |
| 19:47.16 | Saroz | svn.wowace.com |
| 19:47.17 | Saroz | dev is file |
| 19:47.18 | Saroz | fine |
| 19:47.20 | hyperChipmunk | foo.next? |
| 19:47.43 | Matrix110 | Saroz dont use externals with SVN it makes it super slow |
| 19:47.46 | hyperChipmunk | foo.items |
| 19:47.50 | Matrix110 | just Omit externals and get the libs |
| 19:47.51 | Saroz | I need my externals |
| 19:47.56 | Saroz | meh |
| 19:48.01 | hyperChipmunk | >8\ |
| 19:48.05 | Cryect | why wouldn't you just get the libs? |
| 19:48.13 | Saroz | cause then I would get libs I dont need |
| 19:48.17 | hyperChipmunk | if i left it as foo.sub, would anyone find that confusing? |
| 19:48.23 | CIA-23 | 03ag * r35145 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: removed debug message |
| 19:48.25 | Cryect | WAU should be smart and tell you what libs you need |
| 19:48.38 | Saroz | I dont use WAU |
| 19:48.46 | Saroz | I use dev.wowace.com |
| 19:49.10 | Matrix110 | with SVN you can just get the libs you want Oo |
| 19:49.23 | Matrix110 | its just a bit more complicated than with WAU |
| 19:49.24 | Cryect | need a script that checks the externals of all the addons you use then gets those libs :) |
| 19:49.36 | Matrix110 | there is no real reason as a non dev to not use WAU anyway... |
| 19:49.53 | Saroz | but.. hold on now |
| 19:49.55 | Saroz | I am a dev |
| 19:49.58 | Cryect | Well yeah but he doesn't know the libraries I'm guessing |
| 19:50.05 | Matrix110 | oh:P |
| 19:50.08 | Saroz | I'm not getting 20 libs ffs |
| 19:50.16 | Matrix110 | well then use WAU for all but your own mods:P |
| 19:50.23 | Cryect | Thats what I do |
| 19:50.27 | Saroz | no, I need to be able to ninjahack other mods |
| 19:50.36 | Cryect | sure not going to svn everyone elses |
| 19:50.51 | Matrix110 | then let skip these mods by WAU:P |
| 19:53.13 | Kemayo | Cryect: I recommend mine! http://code.google.com/p/wowacepy/ :D |
| 19:53.21 | Saroz | ANYWAY, my SVN has worked fine for months now |
| 19:53.23 | Saroz | today it's fucked |
| 19:53.56 | Josh_Borke | i admit |
| 19:53.58 | Josh_Borke | it was my doing saroz |
| 19:54.01 | Josh_Borke | do with me what you will |
| 19:54.03 | Kemayo | Cryect: It auto-fulfills dependencies. |
| 19:54.21 | Saroz | watch it Josh_Borke, you might say something you regret |
| 19:54.49 | Saroz | Error: PROPFIND request failed on '/wowace/trunk/Ace2/AceHook-2.1' |
| 19:54.51 | Saroz | Error: PROPFIND of '/wowace/trunk/Ace2/AceHook-2.1': could not connect to server (http://svn.wowace.com) |
| 19:55.04 | _Saint-N | so that data it was downloading was just the patch file for tuesday? |
| 19:55.28 | Josh_Borke | try my server? |
| 19:55.28 | Saroz | IP? |
| 19:55.28 | Josh_Borke | erm |
| 19:55.28 | kergoth | damnit, poisonreminderfu is still failing to pick up me changing poisons |
| 19:55.32 | kergoth | it wants to apply instant to my oh even though i just had deadly on it |
| 19:55.39 | kergoth | annoying as hell |
| 19:55.41 | Saroz | reroll |
| 19:55.41 | Josh_Borke | not sure if it's setup anymore, one sec saroz |
| 19:56.07 | CIA-23 | 03cryect * r35146 10Protractor/ (. Protractor.lua Protractor.toc): Protractor - Added a few missing externals |
| 19:56.31 | Josh_Borke | huh, nvm, i won't be able to check for another hour :-( |
| 19:56.33 | Cryect | Kemayo: Ah nice! |
| 20:01.52 | renchap | Saroz: i have no log for your checkouts |
| 20:02.03 | renchap | i think that is due to the proxy or the isp |
| 20:02.49 | josh|ma | hello, could anyone help me a bit out, please? If I use the function FrameLib:BuildFrame(def):Show() as seen here: http://ace.pastey.net/27113-232n with the lib here: http://ace.pastey.net/27110-2pj0 there should be shown a frame, but there isn't! |
| 20:03.40 | Josh_Borke | that hurts my eyes :-( |
| 20:03.57 | josh|ma | I'm a beginner! |
| 20:04.02 | Cryect | heh you don't like the big if elseif case switch :-p |
| 20:04.07 | Killmore | the patch will the next tuesday ? |
| 20:04.11 | Josh_Borke | josh|ma: where do you return the frame? |
| 20:04.18 | josh|ma | I didn't found swith in lua |
| 20:04.21 | Josh_Borke | Cryect: lua has case switch? |
| 20:04.24 | Cryect | he doesn't |
| 20:04.32 | Cryect | Josh_Borke: No it doesn't :( |
| 20:04.36 | Josh_Borke | josh|ma: return the frame, maybe it'll work mo' betta |
| 20:04.50 | josh|ma | sure it returns the frame on line 71 return object |
| 20:04.56 | Cryect | Josh_Borke: though i think what he is doing would be better implemented as a function table |
| 20:05.11 | Cryect | instead of one megafunction |
| 20:05.57 | Cryect | Did you ever set any points for the frame? |
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| 20:06.08 | Cryect | I don't see any |
| 20:06.23 | josh|ma | humm, I'll try... |
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| 20:06.43 | Cryect | just throw in a quick theFrame:ClearAllPoints() |
| 20:06.43 | Cryect | theFrame:SetPoint("CENTER",UIParent) |
| 20:07.02 | Josh_Borke | Cryect: agreed. |
| 20:08.08 | Cryect | I can't remember what the default points it gives to frames via CreateFrame but I seem to recall it wasn't visible or something |
| 20:08.10 | CIA-23 | 03roartindon * r35147 10Aloft/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 20:08.10 | CIA-23 | Aloft |
| 20:08.10 | CIA-23 | - New ShackleUndead module. Shows shackle undead timers underneath units. |
| 20:09.46 | Cryect | btw curious at what point at during loadup am I allowed to call :Print from AceConsole-2.0 and it will actually show the addon name? |
| 20:10.10 | kergoth | load spam ftl |
| 20:10.25 | Cryect | heh |
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| 20:10.30 | Josh_Borke | kergoth: FTW! |
| 20:10.34 | kergoth | BOO |
| 20:10.42 | kergoth | god i hate pugs |
| 20:10.43 | Josh_Borke | kergoth: i'm gonna put it in LootTracker just for you |
| 20:10.56 | josh|ma | No, sorry it wasn't successfull, I tried: |
| 20:10.56 | josh|ma | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.58 | Josh_Borke | kergoth: btw, this spiffy tooltip i'm making for you is gonna be a configurable option |
| 20:10.58 | josh|ma | t:ClearAllPoints() |
| 20:11.00 | josh|ma | t:SetPoint("CENTER",UIParent) |
| 20:11.01 | josh|ma | t:Show() |
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| 20:11.09 | Cryect | kergoth: I know you run with warmup for more |
| 20:11.11 | Josh_Borke | josh|ma: you don't return the frame in BuildFrame |
| 20:11.19 | Cryect | yeah he did |
| 20:11.25 | kergoth | i run with StopTheSpam to shut them all up |
| 20:11.29 | Cryect | line 71 |
| 20:11.35 | Josh_Borke | oh |
| 20:11.35 | kergoth | Josh_Borke: neat |
| 20:11.49 | Josh_Borke | kergoth: meaning by default it'll be off and it'll be the current one |
| 20:12.20 | Josh_Borke | but this spiffy one i'm making will allow you to click the set line to show/hide it. hover over the items to display which toons they are on (like the config panel) |
| 20:12.46 | Josh_Borke | and i can't think of anything else to add to it |
| 20:12.48 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:13.06 | hyperChipmunk | wiki info on my new dewdrop function: http://wowace.com/wiki/Dewdrop-2.0#:FeedTable.28menutable.2C_.5B.2C_difference.5D.29 |
| 20:13.25 | kergoth | hunter question, its impossible to have a macro to use a trinket, then arcane shot, without stopping the autoshot, right? (cause of /stopcasting) |
| 20:13.56 | hyperChipmunk | stopcasting doesn't stop autoshot |
| 20:14.09 | Josh_Borke | why not call it subMenu? |
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| 20:14.15 | Josh_Borke | since that's what it represents, right? |
| 20:14.34 | Cryect | Hmm whats the default backdrop color? I don't think I've ever set a backdrop without setting the color as well (pretty sure it was visible can't remember) |
| 20:14.37 | hyperChipmunk | wtf, i asked like 15 mins ago and nobody gave me anything helpful |
| 20:14.47 | hyperChipmunk | /rude |
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| 20:14.50 | Josh_Borke | hyperChipmunk: <3 |
| 20:14.55 | Cryect | haha |
| 20:15.04 | josh|ma | Good, I'll revise my code but it's unfortunately a bit strange that nothing happens...back in 10 mins |
| 20:15.09 | Josh_Borke | (03:42:35 PM) vhaarr: hyperChipmunk: "submenu", "menu", "subdrop" ? |
| 20:15.28 | Josh_Borke | *cough* owned *cough* |
| 20:15.29 | hyperChipmunk | yea, but nobody really gave me a good consensus on anything |
| 20:15.39 | Josh_Borke | you didn't explain it very well |
| 20:15.45 | hyperChipmunk | =\ |
| 20:15.57 | Josh_Borke | you fail |
| 20:16.00 | Josh_Borke | </3 |
| 20:16.05 | hyperChipmunk | any objections to subMenu? |
| 20:17.09 | Josh_Borke | no |
| 20:17.55 | CIA-23 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk * r35148 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: |
| 20:17.55 | CIA-23 | DewdropLib: |
| 20:17.55 | CIA-23 | - key for submenu table now called 'subMenu' |
| 20:18.06 | Josh_Borke | ZOMG YOU BROKE API! |
| 20:18.10 | Josh_Borke | ~burn hyperChipmunk |
| 20:18.22 | purl | ACTION pours gasoline all over hyperChipmunk, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 20:18.22 | _Saint-N | well thts disappointing a big ol download for 2.1 and its only a partial download |
| 20:18.22 | hyperChipmunk | =\ |
| 20:18.32 | hyperChipmunk | >8( |
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| 20:18.35 | Josh_Borke | ~witch hyperChipmunk |
| 20:18.37 | _Saint-N | mmm chipmunkmellows |
| 20:18.40 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 20:19.02 | _Saint-N | BURN! |
| 20:19.07 | _Saint-N | you are the BURN MASTER! |
| 20:19.37 | hyperChipmunk | next time i'm hoarding all my spiffycool ideas for myself |
| 20:19.44 | hyperChipmunk | screw you guys |
| 20:20.04 | Josh_Borke | ~lart hyperChipmunk |
| 20:20.04 | purl | rm -rf's hyperChipmunk |
| 20:22.01 | Josh_Borke | ~doublelart hyperChipmunk |
| 20:26.28 | kergoth | does violation have a pet dps module, and an option to split my dps from the pet dps or combine it? |
| 20:26.31 | kergoth | (yet) |
| 20:26.32 | Amadeo | A slime appears! |
| 20:27.35 | chutwig | > EAT SLIME |
| 20:28.04 | Amadeo | Your stomach starts to rumble, you feel sick. |
| 20:28.14 | chutwig | > RUN TO TOILET |
| 20:28.21 | Amadeo | haha |
| 20:29.30 | vhaarr | kergoth: no |
| 20:31.42 | kergoth | k |
| 20:31.46 | sbu | bg downloader running? |
| 20:32.03 | _Saint-N | hahah irc choose your own adventure |
| 20:32.06 | Cryect | yeah for the stuff that isn't changing |
| 20:32.36 | Mikma | http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Mikma/Mikma.lua <3 |
| 20:33.45 | _Saint-N | this:EnableKeyboard(false) |
| 20:33.56 | _Saint-N | just make an addon whos sole purpose is THAT |
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| 20:35.04 | Roartindon | hmm.. bg downloader isn't firing up for me |
| 20:35.12 | Roartindon | I'll have to try on my windows machine |
| 20:35.21 | Matrix110 | did you disable it? |
| 20:35.24 | Matrix110 | then it wont start:P |
| 20:35.37 | Roartindon | no, it's definitely enabled :) |
| 20:35.42 | Matrix110 | kk |
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| 20:36.26 | Josh_Borke | Mikma: what's your mmoIcons look like? |
| 20:36.45 | Mikma | Josh_Borke: ummh, i'll convert a pic for you |
| 20:41.08 | josh|ma | hi mates, hopes this code is better, but still no frame and no error that comes up - function call: http://ace.pastey.net/27313-36n8 - Lib(better code I hope):http://ace.pastey.net/27312-2d3r |
| 20:41.58 | vhaarr | josh|ma: There's already uiQuery for frame manipulation |
| 20:42.53 | Josh_Borke | but it doesn't start with Lib! |
| 20:43.12 | Cryect | what type of library doesn't have lib in it! |
| 20:43.17 | Saint-N | roar you mean for torrent download? |
| 20:43.24 | Saint-N | or for actual updating? |
| 20:44.01 | kergoth | hmm whats a small addon to let you monitor the addon channel(s)? |
| 20:44.22 | josh|ma | Yes, I tried it but it didn't fit for me, I tried aceGUI-2.0 aswell but I didn't managed to get it started. I really don't want only to offend you by requesting help but if anyone has time for that It's really appreciated :) |
| 20:44.32 | Cryect | Addon channel is pretty boring :-p |
| 20:44.53 | Josh_Borke | josh|ma: what doesn't fit for uiQuery? |
| 20:45.12 | Cryect | Someone made it sound like there was a ton of spam in it and I checked and it was avging like 2 or 3 messages a second >_> |
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| 20:47.03 | josh|ma | I don't know anymore, have to look, there was anything, I'm back in amin |
| 20:49.04 | josh|ma | It was the Create function, that didn't work |
| 20:50.27 | Josh_Borke | josh|ma: well, why don'ty ou work with the developer on it? i know he's more than happy to take outside opinions |
| 20:51.52 | josh|ma | Josh_Borke: how do you mean it? Do you mean I could modify the code from the uiQuery Lib? |
| 20:52.10 | Josh_Borke | josh|ma: talk to Kaelten about it, perhaps write a patch to the code |
| 20:52.15 | Josh_Borke | i've never looked at it |
| 20:52.19 | Josh_Borke | so i don't know anything about it |
| 20:52.49 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 20:52.55 | josh|ma | I think my skills are not good enough, I took alook on that code and it's not simple to understand all |
| 20:56.31 | CIA-23 | 03caldar * r35149 10TinyTipExtras/TinyTipIcons.lua: |
| 20:56.31 | CIA-23 | TinyTipExtras - |
| 20:56.31 | CIA-23 | Added missing comma to correct debuff display |
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| 20:59.12 | josh|ma | Kaelten: I pretend that there is anything wrong with the example that is provided at the botton of that site: http://wowace.com/wiki/UiQuery |
| 20:59.14 | josh|ma | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.41 | Roartindon | .. setfont returns the object?! |
| 21:00.04 | Kaelten | SetFont returns a value |
| 21:00.05 | Roartindon | split it into two lines |
| 21:00.07 | Kaelten | so it messes up |
| 21:00.12 | Roartindon | frame.Title:SetFont("Fonts\\FRIZQT__.TTF", 13) |
| 21:00.22 | Roartindon | frame.Title:SetText(title or "") |
| 21:00.37 | Kaelten | I think I discovered that after I wrote that example |
| 21:00.45 | Kaelten | uiquery is something that I want to develop more. |
| 21:01.03 | Kaelten | really I just wrote it because it was a fun exersise |
| 21:01.20 | josh|ma | But, it's quite nice! |
| 21:01.28 | Kaelten | :) |
| 21:01.30 | Chompers | wow, Violation is really coming along |
| 21:01.43 | Kaelten | I wonder how many if any addons use uiquery |
| 21:01.54 | Chompers | cant wait to see what else is planned for it |
| 21:02.25 | Kaelten | I have stuff planned for it onebag3 and kci1 |
| 21:03.06 | Kaelten | plus I have a new website in the works, and I'm overseeing the development on wau |
| 21:03.16 | Cryect | is Violation setup to be modular? |
| 21:03.33 | Kaelten | so I've got to figure out how to remove my sleep |
| 21:03.42 | Kaelten | kergoth: I wish we could get reliable server time :s |
| 21:03.53 | vhaarr | Cryect: of course |
| 21:03.54 | a-stray-cat | can parser-3.0 tell you when someone dies? |
| 21:03.59 | vhaarr | a-stray-cat: yes |
| 21:04.07 | a-stray-cat | where is it :X |
| 21:04.28 | Amadeo | So, everyone knows the famous PvE servers...but what about famous PvP servers? Are there any? |
| 21:04.44 | Cryect | what famous PvE servers? |
| 21:04.46 | Josh_Borke | Stormreaver! |
| 21:04.52 | Josh_Borke | impervious is there |
| 21:05.00 | Cryect | I wouldn't called Stormreaver famous |
| 21:05.05 | Josh_Borke | i know |
| 21:05.07 | Josh_Borke | we aren't |
| 21:05.10 | Josh_Borke | and i like it that way |
| 21:05.12 | josh|ma | Kaelten: It's lots of stuff that you planned, how do you get managed so much? Do you have much time? |
| 21:05.20 | Cryect | Besides Impervious there is nothing of note |
| 21:05.25 | Amadeo | Josh_Borke: Who?! |
| 21:05.36 | Cryect | heh I wish there was some horde to fool around with on world bosses |
| 21:05.48 | Josh_Borke | Cryect: exactly! |
| 21:05.55 | Kaelten | josh|ma| nope, I don't know what time is |
| 21:05.59 | Josh_Borke | Amadeo: just some n00bs that have made it on to websites |
| 21:06.02 | hyperChipmunk | my realm is dubiously famous for some rather incriminating screenshots =x |
| 21:06.05 | Josh_Borke | Kaelten: don't forget your wife |
| 21:06.09 | Amadeo | Josh_Borke: What class is he? |
| 21:06.12 | Amadeo | or is it a guild? |
| 21:06.15 | Kaelten | I work full time, have a family, and just moved cross country |
| 21:06.15 | Josh_Borke | it's a guild |
| 21:06.18 | Amadeo | ah ok |
| 21:06.19 | Tain | Wife? Is that a mixin or a lib? |
| 21:06.31 | Kaelten | :s |
| 21:06.32 | Amadeo | I dunno, but I heard it's bloated |
| 21:06.35 | josh|ma | Tain: lol |
| 21:06.35 | Seerah_ | is it a dependency? :) |
| 21:06.42 | Kaelten | I'm avoiding some of the bad jokes there |
| 21:06.45 | Tain | hahah it is a dependnency. |
| 21:06.48 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 21:06.56 | Josh_Borke | purl, Tain++ |
| 21:06.56 | Seerah_ | <3 Kaelten |
| 21:07.08 | sdouble | shhhhh... (she's right behind him) |
| 21:07.12 | Cryect | Amadeo: so what are these supposed famous PvE servers? |
| 21:07.13 | Kaelten | Seerah_: what'd I do this time? |
| 21:07.17 | Josh_Borke | Korgath! |
| 21:07.27 | Amadeo | Cryect: Oh, I just mean PvE servers with guilds that are ahead on progression |
| 21:07.28 | Cryect | else than its a PvP server :-p |
| 21:07.32 | Amadeo | I don't even know em all |
| 21:07.43 | Seerah_ | Kaelten: just apologizing for picking on ya :) |
| 21:07.45 | Amadeo | Yeah, well I used the PvE term loosely! |
| 21:07.46 | Josh_Borke | all the really good PvE guilds are on PvP servers |
| 21:07.46 | Amadeo | :) |
| 21:07.49 | Kaelten | :P |
| 21:07.53 | Kaelten | ;) |
| 21:08.00 | Cryect | If you were talking PvP as in PvP itself then Tich |
| 21:08.07 | Cryect | but thats kinda went down |
| 21:08.12 | Amadeo | http://download.microsoft.com/download/C/4/0/C403218A-347E-4AA1-A675-9A0AF090B575/H3_MrJukes-Betalicious.wmv |
| 21:08.16 | Amadeo | Halo 3 beta video, if anyone cares |
| 21:08.22 | Cryect | But for a while Tich was the place to be for PvP |
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| 21:08.42 | Amadeo | Cryect: Didn't it die out, or was that another server? |
| 21:08.46 | Tain | Oh I had Halo 3 beta signup thingy from buying Crackdown. Never bothered to look at when that was supposed to be. |
| 21:09.10 | Tain | I was never much of a Halo fan. |
| 21:09.11 | Cryect | basically Beta |
| 21:09.16 | Cryect | killed the PvP stuff :-p |
| 21:09.29 | Cryect | since like TAO went to beta and so did the other PvP guilds |
| 21:09.32 | Amadeo | I didn't like Halo either |
| 21:10.08 | Tain | The Shadowrun game looks to actually be pretty fun. If it weren't for the fact that they have blasphemed by calling it Shadowrun and it has nothing to do with that universe. |
| 21:10.27 | Amadeo | I admit that this beta looks really smooth though |
| 21:10.47 | Cryect | But I would say Notorious has been doing quite well (or I guess the ones doing quite well are now called Pandemic) |
| 21:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowrun game? o_0 |
| 21:11.16 | Cryect | yes its CS |
| 21:11.21 | Cryect | but with the Shadowrun name |
| 21:11.25 | Cryect | and having no RPG element at all |
| 21:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, so uh, crap. |
| 21:11.37 | Cryect | Its supposed to be pretty good actually but some issues |
| 21:11.47 | Cryect | 9 maps, no single player, requires Vista for the PC |
| 21:11.50 | Cryect | $60 :-p |
| 21:12.02 | Cryect | oh and releasing it during the Halo 3 Beta |
| 21:12.38 | Cryect | after this Fasa will be dead prolly :( |
| 21:12.45 | Seerah_ | so i was going through my Seerah layout for PitBull again earlier, and I still can't figure out what's wrong with it... :( Funny thing is, is that my ToT and Party Target/Pet frames are ABF layout and they get messed up, too |
| 21:12.48 | Tain | I played through the beta for a few months of Shadowrun. If you like CS type games it is fun, it adds a bunch of other elements of "spells" and powers plus guns. |
| 21:13.01 | Tain | But it has nothing to do with Shadowrun at all and should not have the name anywhere associated with it. |
| 21:13.46 | Cryect | I mean come on didn't everyone play Shadowrun for all the native american stuff :-p who cares about shadowrunning! |
| 21:13.51 | Amadeo | I don't have much faith in PC games that are also released on consoles |
| 21:14.16 | Cryect | oh yeah and if you get the PC version and want to play against XBox players you have to pay $10 for Live Gold |
| 21:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, shadowrun would make a great Fallout-style game. |
| 21:14.40 | CIA-23 | 03caldar * r35150 10eePanels/ (core.lua localization.enUS.lua localization.esES.lua): |
| 21:14.40 | CIA-23 | eePanels - |
| 21:14.40 | CIA-23 | Added option to Advanced settings to allow a panel to block mouse click through |
| 21:14.42 | Cryect | Shadowrun would make a great MMO :-p |
| 21:14.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Cryect: that too. |
| 21:15.08 | Cryect | else than SciFi MMO's don't seem to do that well though hasn't been too many |
| 21:15.08 | Tain | Cryect I was talking with some people about that. |
| 21:15.26 | Tain | Shadowrun could be great because it could actually be an MMO that plays differently. |
| 21:15.32 | Cryect | yeah |
| 21:15.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Cryect: yeah, i noticed that. kind of a shame. :\ |
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| 21:16.05 | Tain | You could have a group but not have to have your group doing a dungeon crawl all together. One person decking in to get you in to the building is going to be crucial to you, but wouldn't be walking along with you. |
| 21:16.13 | Cryect | yeah |
| 21:16.24 | Cryect | well unless they need to hardwire in :-p |
| 21:16.31 | Amadeo | I would have liked a Morrowind/Oblivion MMO...of course, with lots of work :P |
| 21:16.34 | Cryect | but the latest rules have so much wireless stuff |
| 21:17.13 | Matrix110 | wtb MMORPG with a really changing world |
| 21:17.23 | Amadeo | Sorry, but Spore is coming in 2008 :) |
| 21:17.25 | Cryect | really changing? |
| 21:17.32 | Cryect | by that what do you mean? |
| 21:17.42 | Tain | I don't know about really changing, but player controlled didn't work out to well for Shadowbane. |
| 21:17.51 | Cryect | I mean AC1 changed every month from dev stuff |
| 21:18.02 | Amadeo | Tain: it could have, but Shadowbane was coded horribly |
| 21:18.05 | NightHawkTheSane | I just want a mmo with a truely persistent world, where named mobs stay dead |
| 21:18.09 | Matrix110 | Such as mass quests similiar to AQ Gate that change the whole world |
| 21:18.16 | Cryect | Conan looks to be good |
| 21:18.57 | Amadeo | Conan is Funcom, so it's dead already :P |
| 21:18.57 | Cryect | haha :-p |
| 21:18.57 | NeoTron | I think the world should get a Battletech / Mech Warrior MMO |
| 21:18.58 | Matrix110 | lol |
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| 21:18.58 | NightHawkTheSane | that'd be awesome. |
| 21:18.58 | Amadeo | hahaa |
| 21:18.58 | NeoTron | nothing like clomping around in a big metal machine of fiery destruction |
| 21:19.00 | Cryect | Anarchy Online didn't do that horribly :-p |
| 21:19.01 | Amadeo | I used to love Mech Warrior |
| 21:19.01 | NeoTron | computers today can handle making it good enough |
| 21:19.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Nothing like spending a week straight building your mech. |
| 21:19.04 | Tain | Ah Funcom has had great ideas, they just needed to convince the beancounters to let them perculate for a little longer. |
| 21:19.08 | Cryect | There was a Mechwarrior MMO |
| 21:19.19 | Tain | Anarchy Online failed because of its launch. |
| 21:19.21 | Tain | Oh sure it is still around. |
| 21:19.23 | Cryect | It looks like they are getting that wiht Conan |
| 21:19.29 | Amadeo | Cryect: They've already announced a new MMO, during production of Age of Conan |
| 21:19.45 | Tain | But AO *could* have taken over big time. People simply wouldn't go back after the miserable launch. |
| 21:19.55 | Amadeo | Launch? I quit during beta :P |
| 21:20.17 | Cryect | The Mechwarrior MMO, I forget the name but it was canceled in beta |
| 21:20.32 | Tain | Hell the same goes for Asheron's Call. It had players, but if AC had launched six months later with more fleshed out content it would have been positioned to crush EQ since Kunark wasn't out yet and people were horribly bored. |
| 21:20.50 | Tain | People rushed to market and damaged themselves for years because of it. |
| 21:20.50 | Cryect | was basically a bunch of Mechwarrior games fighting over for a map of the InnerSphere before the clan |
| 21:20.51 | Amadeo | AC needed better balance as well |
| 21:21.02 | Amadeo | the archer thing was ridiculous |
| 21:21.39 | Tain | That's what time would have bought. |
| 21:21.39 | Tain | But AC got pushed out for the holiday season. |
| 21:21.39 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 21:21.39 | Tain | In its defense it had almost a flawless launch. |
| 21:21.42 | Cryect | Same thing happened with AC2 except even worst |
| 21:21.43 | Tain | And almost a content-less launch. |
| 21:21.48 | Amadeo | Kunark rocked, I almost wish I played EQ2 so I could play it again in November :P |
| 21:22.02 | Matrix110 | EQ2 is just weird... |
| 21:22.07 | Cryect | AC2 like 8 months after the launch as almost playable too bad they had lost all their customers months beforehand :-p |
| 21:22.19 | Amadeo | AC2 was totally flawed |
| 21:22.21 | Amadeo | great graphics though |
| 21:22.41 | Tain | See I think Kunark was one of the worst things that happened to the *game* of EverQuest because of the way they handled itemization. It was MUDflation at it's absolute worst. |
| 21:22.56 | Amadeo | Tain: Whatcha mean? |
| 21:23.14 | Cryect | AC2 was like a precursor to WoW the way it played >_> and wasn't at all like AC1 which it should have been to stay unique |
| 21:23.20 | Tain | Instead of offering incremental upgrades to gear they simply gave you trash dropping weapons that were 2-5 TIMES as powerful as the best you could get before Kunark. |
| 21:23.45 | Amadeo | Sounds like BC :P |
| 21:24.00 | Amadeo | I think it was poor execution |
| 21:24.06 | Amadeo | but as a whole, I really enjoyed Kunark's content |
| 21:24.08 | Tain | TBC did it too, but not to the same level. |
| 21:24.09 | Amadeo | I liked Velious also |
| 21:24.13 | Amadeo | quit after that :P |
| 21:24.14 | Tain | I loved Kunark's content. |
| 21:24.30 | Tain | Those first few days were the most fun I had playing EQ since it launched. |
| 21:24.55 | Tain | I also liked Velious. I played a little longer than that but not seriously. |
| 21:25.00 | Amadeo | I still remember my very first EQ moments |
| 21:25.02 | Tain | Actually my last real times playing were North Temple of Veeshan. |
| 21:25.10 | CIA-23 | 03cryect * r35151 10Protractor/Protractor.lua: Protractor - Scrolling through the lists added |
| 21:25.17 | Amadeo | I started in phase 4 beta, made a Dark Elf Necromancer |
| 21:25.23 | Amadeo | tried to kill a spider, died |
| 21:25.40 | Amadeo | was pissed at the game, hated it..thought it was stupid that the screen was tiny in the center... |
| 21:25.45 | Amadeo | quit for a bit |
| 21:25.52 | Amadeo | later found out that you can hit a key and get full screen view... :P |
| 21:26.05 | Tain | I bought it the week of retail release. Played it, thought it sucked, shelfed it. :) |
| 21:26.11 | Amadeo | Some people were talking about doing a skeleton raid, and I was like, damn! Can I go?? |
| 21:26.13 | Amadeo | But I was level 1 :( |
| 21:26.17 | Matrix110 | i played EQ in the german beta and deinstalled it after 30sec as i got eye cancer(it was out in US for like 4 or 5 years back then...) |
| 21:26.21 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 21:26.31 | Tain | Played about two weeks later and got hooked. |
| 21:26.43 | Amadeo | As mundane as EQ was, it still had the deepest immersion factor of any MMO I've played yet |
| 21:26.45 | Tain | Release was March 98 I think? |
| 21:26.53 | Amadeo | I don't even remember anymore |
| 21:27.00 | Tain | It was March something. |
| 21:27.02 | Matrix110 | lets ask Wikipedia |
| 21:27.14 | Matrix110 | 16 march 1999 |
| 21:27.20 | Amadeo | I remember thinking McQuaid was a dick |
| 21:27.22 | Amadeo | :P |
| 21:27.27 | Tain | Tain the Shaman was born April 1 and I played him exclusively with just a couple of alts ever since. |
| 21:27.31 | Amadeo | he thought he knew everything |
| 21:27.41 | Amadeo | I laugh at him and Vanguard! Hah! |
| 21:27.51 | Tain | Bidde the Rogue was the first one I started but I didn't like how easily I died, so a couple weeks later it was the Shaman. |
| 21:28.00 | Amadeo | Did you ever "lifetap" to death? |
| 21:28.06 | a-stray-cat | anyone here know a lot about parser? |
| 21:28.11 | Tain | Nah, but I had a manastone. |
| 21:28.16 | Amadeo | haha |
| 21:28.42 | Tain | And full Hate gear. :) |
| 21:28.55 | Amadeo | Did you ever know what it was like to die outside of Blackburrow and have to walk through EverFrost and the BB tunnel to get your corpse? :P |
| 21:29.01 | Amadeo | with a race that had no night vision? |
| 21:29.05 | Tain | Yeah, I was a Barbarian. |
| 21:29.07 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 21:29.17 | Amadeo | run into walls for 10 minutes |
| 21:29.25 | Amadeo | turn up your monitor brightness and pray you can see shadows |
| 21:29.26 | pastamancer | learn2 firebeetle eye |
| 21:29.30 | Tain | Thank god as a Shaman I got a night vision sspell eventually. |
| 21:29.31 | Tain | haha pastamancer |
| 21:29.38 | Amadeo | not in EverFrost! |
| 21:29.49 | Tain | I still have my original EverQuest cloth map. |
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| 21:30.29 | Amadeo | hahaha I think I do too somewhere |
| 21:30.39 | Amadeo | Did you beta test Luclin? |
| 21:30.41 | sdouble | wow, patch today? |
| 21:30.50 | Amadeo | sdouble: It's Friday |
| 21:30.59 | Tain | I stopped beta testing games I wanted to play. |
| 21:31.03 | Tain | It always ruined it for me. |
| 21:31.14 | pastamancer | oh god luclin |
| 21:31.16 | Amadeo | Tain: Good plan...early on they had problems with zone loading times...15 minute zones |
| 21:31.28 | Tain | I refused to accept beta invites from my friends for WoW. I held out until release. |
| 21:31.28 | pastamancer | worst expansion launch ever |
| 21:31.29 | Amadeo | once Sony took over completely, I was done |
| 21:31.54 | Tain | But I didn't mind beta testing LOTOR because I didn't think I'd buy it. |
| 21:32.01 | Tain | (I was right.) |
| 21:32.28 | Amadeo | haha |
| 21:32.34 | Amadeo | Yeah...I gave up on that pretty quickly also |
| 21:32.47 | Tain | I think it's a fine game, just nothing really new to draw me in. |
| 21:33.02 | Amadeo | I actually never even killed anything within Vanguard either |
| 21:33.09 | Cryect | the only people left playing it from the sounds of it are LOTRO lore junkies |
| 21:33.12 | Amadeo | game just froze up every 10 seconds, kept waiting for a patch to fix it |
| 21:33.13 | Amadeo | never did |
| 21:33.27 | Amadeo | Cryect: I agree |
| 21:33.27 | Tain | I'm actually playing a little City of Heroes again because to me that is the most pure *fun* MMOG out there. |
| 21:34.41 | Amadeo | Never played that one |
| 21:34.50 | Amadeo | I've never been into the whole superhero/comic thing |
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| 21:46.14 | nymbia | Ominous: not id'd :( |
| 21:46.20 | Ominous | ohh k |
| 21:47.03 | Ominous | pls can i use the bases of your metatable setup, frames and on update script for my class timer? |
| 21:47.14 | nymbia | sure :D |
| 21:47.30 | Ominous | pheu, was working on it for 3 hours earlier when you wernt onjm |
| 21:47.37 | nymbia | hehe |
| 21:47.40 | Ominous | s/jm/ |
| 21:47.42 | nymbia | in that case |
| 21:47.44 | Cryect | should have made him beg for it! |
| 21:47.45 | Ominous | rofl |
| 21:47.46 | nymbia | no way in hell! |
| 21:47.56 | nymbia | ;) |
| 21:48.15 | Ominous | ~thank nymbia |
| 21:48.15 | purl | Ominous: de nada |
| 21:48.22 | Ominous | wt |
| 21:48.24 | Ominous | wtf* |
| 21:48.29 | nymbia | purl, you suck |
| 21:48.51 | purl | and very well I might add |
| 21:48.51 | Cryect | purl needs to be restarted or something |
| 21:48.55 | NightHawkTheSane | purl > ominous |
| 21:48.58 | purl | somebody said ominous was the bomb. |
| 21:48.58 | Cryect | oh wait it worked fine this time :-p |
| 21:49.16 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 21:49.20 | Ominous | wtf |
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| 21:49.31 | Ominous | purl < Ominous |
| 21:49.44 | Chosi | oh noez i'm getting spammed by 10 pitbull error messages each second :S |
| 21:49.48 | Chosi | about some cooldown stuff |
| 21:49.53 | Chosi | what's wrong with this :S |
| 21:50.22 | nymbia | Chosi: ace.pastey.net |
| 21:50.34 | Amadeo | NightHawkTheSane: Play Baldur's Gate II instead |
| 21:50.36 | Chosi | just a sec. trying to repoduce |
| 21:51.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: That's a good idea. Shame it's a pain in the ass to play on osx. |
| 21:51.14 | Amadeo | :( |
| 21:52.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, actually, maybe bg2 does play well and it's bg1 that sucked. I can't remember. I don't even know if i have throne of bhaal though. |
| 21:52.45 | Amadeo | no need |
| 21:52.49 | Amadeo | You'll be playing BG2 forever anyway |
| 21:53.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, I -do- have throne of bhaal, apparently... uh... two copies of it. >.> |
| 21:53.19 | Amadeo | Though I haven't played all RPGs, I think BG2 was my favorite :) |
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| 21:57.05 | Tain | BG2 is my favorite, but Planescape: Torment is even a better game to me. |
| 21:57.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that game was great. i'm a little pissed they never made a mac verseion |
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| 22:00.05 | CIA-23 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk * r35152 10DewdropLib/Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: |
| 22:00.05 | CIA-23 | DewdropLib: FeedTable() |
| 22:00.06 | CIA-23 | - use t.subMenu as a check for a submenu instead of t.hasArrow |
| 22:00.06 | CIA-23 | - I had used t.hasArrow to facilitate autogenerating tables (making empty subMenu tables essentially ignored), but it's used for other things (such as editBox entries), so gotta use that |
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| 22:05.50 | Ominous | i hate this fucking laptop ARGH!! |
| 22:06.12 | Cyrez | ckknight: Ya there? Found a little cosmetic bug in ExperienceFu. |
| 22:06.18 | ckknight | no, busy |
| 22:06.33 | Cyrez | K, I'll hold the thought. |
| 22:08.34 | ckknight | gimme... 3 hours |
| 22:09.26 | hyperChipmunk | man i friggin love the new dewdrop FeedTable function; whoever wrote that is a genius |
| 22:09.26 | Ominous | what does it do? |
| 22:09.26 | yacoob | Firefly is good. |
| 22:09.28 | hyperChipmunk | give that dude a friggin medal |
| 22:09.55 | hyperChipmunk | Ominous: http://wowace.com/wiki/Dewdrop-2.0#:FeedTable.28menutable.2C_.5B.2C_difference.5D.29 |
| 22:09.58 | hyperChipmunk | =) |
| 22:10.40 | NightHawkTheSane | hyperChipmunk: do you want a cookie, or something? :P |
| 22:10.48 | abyssichate | http://www.curse-guild.org/priv/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=27435#p27435 First pictures of Archimonde |
| 22:11.17 | JoshBorke | hyperChipmunk: don't hurt yourself patting your own back ;-P |
| 22:11.32 | hyperChipmunk | NightHawkTheSane: no, i was actually saying that because i'm writing for it right now and i love it ;D |
| 22:12.21 | hyperChipmunk | it's just coincidence that i happened to write it >8p |
| 22:12.33 | hyperChipmunk | but i'm still really impressed! |
| 22:12.51 | hyperChipmunk | actually, moreso BECAUSE i wrote it |
| 22:12.56 | hyperChipmunk | usually i write crap >8P |
| 22:13.02 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, BG2 is out because I really dont feel like figuring out how to install it for an hour. |
| 22:14.37 | hyperChipmunk | i just made a pt3 browser in like 12 lines with it |
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| 22:17.33 | NightHawkTheSane | gah. or i can just not be an idiot, and do a Repair Permissions before trying to install it. >< |
| 22:17.51 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- moron |
| 22:18.04 | Amadeo | NightHawkTheSane: What kind of Mac do you have again? |
| 22:18.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: G5, running 10.4 |
| 22:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | The installer kept giving me "Acess denied" errors. I spent like 30 minutes googling for answers, then thought, "hey lets try repairing permissions" |
| 22:19.02 | Amadeo | Just curious :) |
| 22:21.18 | Antiarc|Work | http://www.curse-guild.org/hyjal/archimonde4.jpg |
| 22:21.20 | Antiarc|Work | Dear god. |
| 22:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | so do we know what the premise of cot-hyjal is then? |
| 22:22.37 | Kilroo | Ugh. |
| 22:22.55 | Kilroo | I think that was a total of four complete system crashes trying to do Uldaman. |
| 22:24.24 | Megalon | hm |
| 22:24.48 | Amadeo | how many key quests do you have to do in order to fight him? :P |
| 22:24.51 | abyssichate | Nice DoT there |
| 22:24.52 | Megalon | GemList isn't adding new gems |
| 22:24.58 | Megalon | even after /gemlist scan |
| 22:25.12 | abyssichate | You need to defeat KT and Vashj, you'll then be attuned to BoMH |
| 22:25.21 | Boubouille | well, it's a Curse |
| 22:25.21 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- some kind of total idiot. >< |
| 22:25.22 | Boubouille | I guess you can dispell it |
| 22:25.24 | Amadeo | lol |
| 22:25.34 | Amadeo | That's why EQ was more accessable than WoW is :) |
| 22:26.01 | Antiarc|Work | WoW is extremely accessable. The uber-high-end stuff isn't necessarily so, but WoW in general is far more accessable than most any other MMO |
| 22:26.34 | abyssichate | well, they are nerfing every single boss out of there in 2.1, so even high-end content will be at least more accessable than as it is now |
| 22:26.49 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: But in WoW, unless you want to spend tons of time on it, you have no chance of doing any uber-high-end stuff |
| 22:27.14 | abyssichate | that's the whole point of MMORPGs I think |
| 22:27.16 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: Eh. It's tiered. |
| 22:27.22 | Antiarc|Work | Take pre-TBC |
| 22:27.26 | Antiarc|Work | You didn't ding 60 and go to Naxx |
| 22:27.33 | Antiarc|Work | You spent time raiding to gear up to survive in Naxx |
| 22:28.23 | Amadeo | Yeah, but a year from now when you want to do some high end stuff, guilds will have to be willing to go back and carry you through al the raids |
| 22:28.47 | Amadeo | You have to have been in that uber raiding guild for quite a while to get anywhere |
| 22:29.02 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: There's been talk from Tigole about backflagging. |
| 22:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | more or less, if you're not already near the cusp of raiding, you're chances of -getting- there are slim |
| 22:29.20 | Amadeo | I'd never tell anyone to start playing WoW at this point if they've never played before |
| 22:29.24 | Antiarc|Work | Also, at that point, it's trivial to attent a KT and Vashj kill to get keyed. |
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| 22:29.35 | Antiarc|Work | I mean, think about getting Ony keyed |
| 22:29.43 | Antiarc|Work | Who complains about having to kill Drakk to get the blood? |
| 22:29.51 | Antiarc|Work | I mean, what raiding guild is going to run UBRS to key people? |
| 22:29.58 | Antiarc|Work | But it happens. |
| 22:30.02 | Antiarc|Work | Or did, anyhow. |
| 22:30.15 | nymbia | drakk is hard. |
| 22:30.21 | Amadeo | That's a bit easier since you can do it with much less people now days |
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| 22:30.45 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: And why wouldn't that be the case once raid progression has happened for a year? |
| 22:30.58 | Antiarc|Work | I dunno. The limitations don't bother me. |
| 22:31.02 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Well, I think someone said it took them 40 people to kill Patchwork at 70 |
| 22:31.11 | nymbia | how's it goin Bam__ |
| 22:31.22 | harl|WoW | does Sanity Inventory profit from having Sanity Item Cache enabled in any way ? |
| 22:31.27 | Antiarc|Work | That's because of Patchwerk's mechanics in combination with the boss level modifiers. |
| 22:31.39 | Antiarc|Work | harl|WoW: If you have the new version of Sanity, then it's required. |
| 22:31.43 | Antiarc|Work | It's the backend for it, as it were. |
| 22:31.46 | Bam__ | good good thanks.... except my muscles hurt because I started doing physical excersizes yesterday lol |
| 22:32.21 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: But what's to say that's not the same for the rest of them a year from now? I would have expected a level 60 raid instance to become easier at 70 with significantly better gear |
| 22:32.29 | Antiarc|Work | Patchwerk is designed to hit your tanks for almost their total health, regardless of level, due to the boss scaling. |
| 22:32.36 | nymbia | Amadeo: heh, there're pug naxx runs on my server, wreck the place with 30 (half of whom have never seen the place) |
| 22:32.56 | Antiarc|Work | Patches will be rather trivial with 1 year's worth of BC raid gear under your belt. |
| 22:33.13 | Amadeo | which you can't get unless you're in the uber raiding guilds :) |
| 22:33.23 | Antiarc|Work | ...why would you care otherwise? |
| 22:33.31 | Amadeo | We're talking about accessability! |
| 22:33.33 | Antiarc|Work | And you don't have to be in an uberguild. Just a guild that raids. |
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| 22:33.39 | Antiarc|Work | Why would you care about Naxx if you're not a raider? |
| 22:33.43 | harl|WoW | Antiarc|Work: i'm using Sanity2 rev 33714 which is the latest available from files.wowace.com - is there a revision newer than that ? |
| 22:34.01 | Antiarc|Work | harl|WoW: Yeah, there's a branch for use with SanityItemCache |
| 22:34.04 | Antiarc|Work | Lemme dig it up |
| 22:34.12 | Antiarc|Work | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Sanity2/SplitCache/ |
| 22:34.17 | Antiarc|Work | That one - I posted a zip in the wowace forums |
| 22:34.19 | Antiarc|Work | Lemme see |
| 22:34.29 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: That's the point, because it's too difficult to get ready to raid things |
| 22:34.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: I think what Amadeo's trying to say is that if a person just starts playing wow right now, it'd be very difficult for them to actually get into a high-end raiding guild under normal circumstances. |
| 22:34.41 | Antiarc|Work | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5805.msg98036#msg98036 |
| 22:34.53 | Bam__ | is there an Ace library providing easy access to the spell book? Those I found seemed a bit outdated |
| 22:34.58 | Antiarc|Work | NightHawkTheSane: I'd disagree, based on my experiences over the past couple of years :) |
| 22:35.10 | Antiarc|Work | New players have the advantage of not taking anywhere nearly as long to gear up due to loot saturation. |
| 22:35.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: well, I agree with Amadeo, based on my own experience, so. :P |
| 22:35.26 | Amadeo | but that loot only takes you so far |
| 22:35.59 | Amadeo | you're talking mediocre blues and stuff, for someone wanting to join a raiding guild in all epics |
| 22:36.28 | Antiarc|Work | You're not going to join Fires of Heaven in all purples, but there are groups beyond the hardest of the hardcore that raid. |
| 22:36.42 | Antiarc|Work | err, s/all purples/all blues/ |
| 22:36.57 | Amadeo | Probably couldn't join in all purples either, so right either way on that part :) |
| 22:37.20 | Antiarc|Work | Hehe, fair enough |
| 22:37.30 | Antiarc|Work | There are lots of groups that will take people in blues to raid, because they just need people. |
| 22:37.32 | Amadeo | That's all I'm saying, if they're far along enough that you want to join them and catch up...they have to support you |
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| 22:37.44 | Antiarc|Work | And with Karazhan, it's pretty easy to get rather decent gear. |
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| 22:38.12 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: Sure, but that's the case with anyone that isn't on the bleeding edge of their progression, be it a new app, or an alt, or whatever |
| 22:38.15 | Amadeo | "Ok, we're going to do x_instance tonight because Amadeo's gear sucks, then the next couple weeks we'll have to do these next two to get him keys...then we have to do it for NightHawkTheSane..." |
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| 22:38.29 | Antiarc|Work | Or you just consolidate and do your keyings together! :P |
| 22:38.39 | Amadeo | I just don't like the whole keying thing |
| 22:38.42 | Antiarc|Work | There aren't a lot of guilds that completely abandon raid content as soon as they've cleared it. |
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| 22:38.49 | Antiarc|Work | But that's where backflagging comes into play. |
| 22:39.21 | Amadeo | I remember having to get Trakanon teeth for Sleeper's Tomb :P |
| 22:39.21 | Antiarc|Work | I dunno. I just see the keying as a formalization of the constraints that already existed. |
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| 22:39.46 | Amadeo | I see it as being a time sink to make money by keeping people playing :P |
| 22:40.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: well it's obviously that :P |
| 22:40.15 | Antiarc|Work | We, as a raid group, wouldn't take people to Naxx until they'd been through BWL a good 10 times or so, and had the gear and approval necessary from their class leader, simply because we didn't want undergeared/underexperienced people breaking new ground with us, because they tend to hold the group back if they can't perform to par for whatever reason |
| 22:40.26 | Antiarc|Work | But we still ran BWL weekly, and MC bi-weekly, though mostly with alts. |
| 22:40.37 | Amadeo | And you invite outsiders? |
| 22:41.10 | Antiarc|Work | We occassionally recruited, but for the most part, it was people bringing their friends into the guild. |
| 22:41.24 | Amadeo | and how did you handle loot in those circumstances? |
| 22:41.26 | Aenslaed | towards the last couple weeks before BC, my guild brought alot of out of guild people, over casuals and socials |
| 22:41.53 | Aenslaed | gave them tier3 cause nobody left wanted it heh |
| 22:41.58 | Antiarc|Work | Just straight DKP, split by class armor/other to prevent problems with class imbalance. |
| 22:42.14 | Amadeo | So those friends had no chance |
| 22:42.18 | Antiarc|Work | Loot saturation means that new folks get geared really quickly, because they get stuff for free or near-free since nobody else needs it |
| 22:42.38 | Antiarc|Work | On the contrary, new people got geared orders of magnitude faster than the vets. |
| 22:42.46 | Amadeo | vets being the alts? |
| 22:42.56 | Amadeo | or were the alts gearing up there also? |
| 22:43.08 | Antiarc|Work | Alts were geared up too, and DKP is assigned to the character, not the player. |
| 22:43.10 | Aenslaed | a well designed DKP system also plays a factor |
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| 22:43.26 | Antiarc|Work | We designed our system to be fair to time invested while not locking out the new folks. It's worked well for us. |
| 22:43.53 | Aenslaed | In my current guild, I could theoretically take a tier5 piece after 2 weeks of raiding |
| 22:44.16 | Aenslaed | err, not take a tier5 piece, take a first guild drop tier5 |
| 22:44.29 | Amadeo | how often do you raid? |
| 22:44.51 | Aenslaed | mon-thurs, sunday |
| 22:44.51 | Amadeo | how many hours a night? |
| 22:44.51 | Aenslaed | 4 hours scheduled each day |
| 22:45.06 | Amadeo | 40 hours for one piece of loot is rough |
| 22:45.13 | Aenslaed | not really |
| 22:45.28 | Aenslaed | I said, guild first tier5 |
| 22:45.31 | Antiarc|Work | You raid for the fun of it, not the loot. If you're in it for the loot and not having fun, something's wrong :P |
| 22:45.38 | Aenslaed | you can get full tier4 after a week now |
| 22:45.54 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Except you have to gear up to move forward, that's all |
| 22:46.01 | Antiarc|Work | Move forward to where? More raiding? |
| 22:46.05 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 22:46.09 | Amadeo | well |
| 22:46.10 | Amadeo | anything really |
| 22:46.24 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: We go by a blind bidding system. |
| 22:46.24 | Antiarc|Work | Why would you move forward to more raiding if you hate raiding? :P |
| 22:46.24 | Amadeo | pretty soon raid loot will dwarf everything |
| 22:46.25 | Bibi`ouF | Antiarc|Work : 3 letters, ego. |
| 22:46.26 | Amadeo | just like old WoW |
| 22:46.30 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: doubt it |
| 22:46.36 | Aenslaed | tier look blows for pvp |
| 22:46.37 | nymbia | arena gear :) |
| 22:46.40 | Aenslaed | tier loot |
| 22:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Arena gear is the only thing that'll keep up |
| 22:46.51 | Antiarc|Work | Arena gear is exceptionally good stuff. |
| 22:46.51 | Amadeo | They haven't even ended the arena season yet |
| 22:46.59 | Amadeo | and they buffed all raid loot |
| 22:47.13 | Aenslaed | so what? tier5 has no stamina in general |
| 22:47.14 | Antiarc|Work | I believe I remember hearing that arena gear is getting a buff for the next season, too |
| 22:47.14 | nymbia | arena seasons are 3 months |
| 22:47.20 | Antiarc|Work | And current raid loot is severly underpowered |
| 22:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Heroic and non-arena pvp gear will (and in some cases is) outstrippped by raid gear. |
| 22:47.28 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Yeah, there's going to be a new set I believe |
| 22:47.31 | Amadeo | but who knows when |
| 22:47.37 | Amadeo | CMs say they have no time frame |
| 22:47.49 | Aenslaed | arena gear is all about survival. Guess what, top arena teams play attrition not dps fights |
| 22:47.54 | Antiarc|Work | Yup. |
| 22:48.08 | Aenslaed | walk in with full tier5 and you are free points |
| 22:48.26 | Amadeo | how about full tier 6? |
| 22:48.32 | Amadeo | what if they don't end the arena season for another 4 months? :P |
| 22:48.32 | Aenslaed | we dont know what next season arena gear is |
| 22:48.37 | Antiarc|Work | My main's a rogue. In the arena, I stack stamina and resilience, lose about 180 AP, over 4% crit, and about 9% hit. But I do pretty decently because I don't crumple at the first crit MS I eat. |
| 22:48.50 | Antiarc|Work | I wouldn't dream of arenaing in my raid gear. |
| 22:48.54 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: and even at that, tier6 unless it has resilence, is terrible |
| 22:48.59 | Antiarc|Work | Yup. |
| 22:49.07 | Antiarc|Work | Resilience is king in PVP, especially arenas. |
| 22:49.10 | Amadeo | How much is resilience buying you? like 5% less to be crit? |
| 22:49.23 | Antiarc|Work | And 10% less damage on crits. :) |
| 22:49.25 | Aenslaed | 5%, 10% less crit damage |
| 22:49.25 | NightHawkTheSane | its more about reducing the damage when you are, inevitably crit. |
| 22:49.37 | Aenslaed | much less spiking, not only that, but arena gear gives you around 10k unbuffed HP |
| 22:49.49 | Amadeo | so instead of 4000 damage, you take 3600 :P |
| 22:49.55 | Antiarc|Work | Yes, but that's important. |
| 22:50.05 | Aenslaed | yes, 3600 out of 10k |
| 22:50.10 | Antiarc|Work | You lose peopel to burst |
| 22:50.11 | Aenslaed | so only 1/3rd |
| 22:50.23 | Amadeo | but the difference is 400 damage |
| 22:50.24 | Aenslaed | more like, low rank teams lose people to burst |
| 22:50.29 | Aenslaed | high rank teams you cannot burst down |
| 22:50.32 | Antiarc|Work | Yup. |
| 22:50.41 | Antiarc|Work | It makes a huge difference. |
| 22:50.56 | Antiarc|Work | You can't mitigate damage in PVP, but you can mitigate burst. |
| 22:51.03 | Antiarc|Work | You just have to mitigate it long enough for healers to compensate. |
| 22:51.08 | Aenslaed | yup |
| 22:51.14 | Antiarc|Work | As long as your burst mitigation keeps your healers ahead of their DPS, you win. |
| 22:51.43 | Amadeo | I just don't expect Blizzard to be so quick to put in the new gear and such |
| 22:51.48 | Amadeo | they'll have to test it first, so it's not coming any time soon |
| 22:51.59 | Amadeo | but the raid stuff is being buffed now |
| 22:52.02 | Antiarc|Work | Why would they need to test new gear? |
| 22:52.08 | Aenslaed | doesn't matter. pve tier loot sucks for arena. Not even the same focus. |
| 22:52.10 | Antiarc|Work | It's not like it's functionally complex. |
| 22:52.19 | Antiarc|Work | And yeah. I wouldn't dare wear my raid gear in the arena. |
| 22:52.25 | Aenslaed | and arena gear is awful for pve |
| 22:52.27 | Cryect | They aren't testing new gear its going in shortly >_> |
| 22:52.27 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: They have enough problems with gear unbalancing classes :P |
| 22:52.41 | Antiarc|Work | I would lose 1500 HP and all my resilience. I'll hit a bit harder, but I'll fall apart a ton faster. |
| 22:52.48 | Cryect | If the gear unbalances the class then the class is the problme |
| 22:52.50 | Antiarc|Work | 15% more damage output is useless when I'm dead :P |
| 22:52.57 | Amadeo | Cryect: I don't believe in that |
| 22:53.04 | Aenslaed | no |
| 22:53.09 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: They have item budgets and the like, which things are itemized around. |
| 22:53.10 | Aenslaed | Cryect is totally correct |
| 22:53.15 | Cryect | Amadeo: Yeah well thats what the developers decided with Paladins |
| 22:53.16 | Aenslaed | scaling is a profound issue |
| 22:53.26 | Amadeo | So punish 90% of players for the 10% that are overpowered? |
| 22:53.29 | Antiarc|Work | That tends to keep things in check. When an item of ilevel 120 gives a disproportionate benefit to one class over another, the class is the problem. |
| 22:53.35 | Aenslaed | scaling kills classes |
| 22:53.42 | Cryect | all gear should be somewhat optimal |
| 22:53.50 | Cryect | not a bunch of crappy gear with some optimal |
| 22:54.20 | Antiarc|Work | Honestly, the current raid gear that is getting reitemized needed it, not because it needed to be buffed to make it better than arena gear, but because compared to 5-man blues, most of it was sidegrades, or even downgrades. |
| 22:54.21 | Cryect | Otherwise you have posts on the forums going |
| 22:54.28 | Cryect | why isn't my gear optimized correctly |
| 22:54.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: er, to play devil's advocate, blizzard has shown they're not always perfect at properly utilizing/designing around item level and item budgets. |
| 22:54.42 | Amadeo | I don't raid on my Warrior, so my gear isn't the best, but I don't think I should be losing so much damage over the nerf that was meant for geared out Warriors |
| 22:54.43 | Cryect | They will show how you could make their gear so they could do 50% more DPS etc :-p |
| 22:54.59 | Antiarc|Work | NightHawkTheSane: I know, but the current raid item reitemization shows that they're correcting that. |
| 22:55.05 | Amadeo | So while those geared out Warriors are toned back in line, I'm severely nerfed |
| 22:55.08 | Cryect | what nerf are you talking about? rage normalization or something? |
| 22:55.19 | Amadeo | Cryect: Death Wish and Enrage no longer stack, Flurry nerfed |
| 22:55.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: yeah, i know, I'm just saying, you can't say "they have item budgets!" and claim that makes all the itemization perfect. :P |
| 22:55.27 | Antiarc|Work | Warriors are pretty stupidly powerful in both PVE and PVP right now :P |
| 22:55.31 | Cryect | That was nerfing in line with incoming buffs |
| 22:55.40 | Amadeo | what buffs? |
| 22:55.47 | Cryect | Melee DPS is crazy on PTR |
| 22:55.49 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: you don't understand what Cryect is saying. If one stat point of this, gives more netbenefit than that same stat point to another class, there exists an incongruency that is magnified as gear has more stats |
| 22:55.57 | Antiarc|Work | NightHawkTheSane: I was more saying that "you don't need to test gear on the PTR" due to item levels |
| 22:56.06 | Amadeo | Aenslaed: Well I don't have that gear, so why am I suffering for it? :P |
| 22:56.21 | Aenslaed | but he wasn't saying nerf the gear |
| 22:56.24 | Aenslaed | he was saying fix the class |
| 22:56.30 | Cryect | Amadeo: Ideally you show be competitive with people at your gear level |
| 22:56.36 | Aenslaed | often times, the source is the class and not the equipment. |
| 22:56.36 | Amadeo | I thought he was saying nerf the class |
| 22:56.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: well, yeah, but my point is that sometimes you do, as blizzard can, and has, itemized badly, regardless of ilvls and such :) |
| 22:56.48 | Antiarc|Work | NightHawkTheSane: No argument :P |
| 22:56.51 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 22:56.51 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: nerf, buff, as long as balance is preserved |
| 22:56.59 | Cryect | I said fix the class so you aren't purposely giving them shitty gear at high levels to keep their DPS low |
| 22:57.12 | Aenslaed | lol, shadow priest gear haha |
| 22:57.16 | Aenslaed | spell crit! |
| 22:57.26 | Amadeo | Well I was thinking more along the lines of fixing all the gear for classes that are deemed as overpowered, not just for one particular class |
| 22:57.32 | Cryect | Druids, have it done to them its annoying :-p Like all our gear is designed with our talents in mind |
| 22:57.34 | Amadeo | I mean, why would you nerf something like Enrage+DW? It's been in game forever |
| 22:57.35 | Aenslaed | why oh why do they put spell crit on s.priest gear I dont know |
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| 22:57.46 | Aenslaed | Cryect: good god, yes. I fucking hate loot with my druid. |
| 22:58.00 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: That's not a very good argument. When normalization first went in, it had been in the game "forever" too :P |
| 22:58.09 | Cryect | Hey we better take off 10% of your weapon damage so that talent for +10% melee damage isn't too powerful |
| 22:58.12 | Antiarc|Work | Obviously Enrage + DW was producing more damage than they wanted it to. |
| 22:58.18 | Aenslaed | Cryect: its so retarded most of the time. It takes 1000 Feral AP to equal an 80dps 1h -_- |
| 22:58.36 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Again, Normilization was put in for the geared out Warriors |
| 22:58.36 | Antiarc|Work | Druids have a base attack damage, don't forget. |
| 22:58.38 | Cryect | or hey lets give all your arena gear 20% less stam because you have a talent for +20% stam in bearform |
| 22:58.47 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Undergeared Warriors were hit very hard until they finally tweaked it enough |
| 22:58.49 | Aenslaed | Antiarc|Work: it is that base attack damage that is the problem |
| 22:58.53 | Cryect | ignore that you prolly aren't always in bearform :-p |
| 22:58.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Blizzard -has- to itemize for worst-case min-maxing situations, though |
| 22:59.00 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: Normalization was put in for the warriors with a crafted blue weapon adn the rogues with a solo-farmable blue weapon :P |
| 22:59.11 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: What? |
| 22:59.31 | Antiarc|Work | Normalization was put in specifically in response to the Arcanite Reaper and the Barman Shanker. |
| 22:59.32 | nymbia | arcanite reaper |
| 22:59.36 | nymbia | barman shanker |
| 22:59.40 | nymbia | yeah ;) |
| 22:59.41 | Antiarc|Work | They were used over many epics because they were so much slower. |
| 22:59.43 | Megalon | Aenslaed: yea that's right, 80dps ~ 1000AP |
| 22:59.44 | Aenslaed | I played a warrior before normalization. I'm sorry, but when i can get half a rage bar off a white crit with my pwerk axe, there is something wrong |
| 22:59.48 | Amadeo | Oh, you're talking about a different one |
| 22:59.54 | Amadeo | I'm speaking of RAGE normalization |
| 22:59.55 | Megalon | but i never so a dps warrior in raid with: 5000AP and 40% crit |
| 22:59.55 | Megalon | : |
| 22:59.56 | Megalon | < |
| 23:00.00 | Antiarc|Work | I'm talking about the original weapon normalization. |
| 23:00.04 | Amadeo | I see |
| 23:00.13 | Amadeo | that was multi-class normalization though |
| 23:00.29 | Amadeo | the Rage Normalization was because of uber geared Warriors |
| 23:00.33 | Antiarc|Work | Rage scaling was out of control pre-nerf. |
| 23:00.35 | Antiarc|Work | Yes, it was. |
| 23:00.45 | Amadeo | Screw everyone else :) |
| 23:00.50 | Antiarc|Work | They nerfed it across the board, but it was too hard, so they adjusted it |
| 23:00.52 | Cryect | It barely touched eveyrone else |
| 23:00.53 | Aenslaed | Megalon: oh, best I managed was 4k ap and 45% crit no flask. Its fun, but its so disappointing how little my dps went up |
| 23:00.54 | Antiarc|Work | It's a lot more even now. |
| 23:00.56 | Megalon | charge, melee crit, hi@70rage |
| 23:01.01 | Amadeo | Cryect: In PvP it did |
| 23:01.03 | Cryect | if you were what they consider undergeared |
| 23:01.17 | Aenslaed | Megalon: on my feral druid |
| 23:01.18 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Yeah, they adjusted it a few times...after BC release |
| 23:01.23 | Bibi`ouF | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/may/archi11.jpg |
| 23:01.24 | Bibi`ouF | ^^ |
| 23:01.26 | Amadeo | it's ok now, but my gear is a bit better than it was |
| 23:01.29 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: My fury warrior is pretty well aware of that :P |
| 23:01.34 | Bibi`ouF | *oops, aggroes* |
| 23:01.38 | Aenslaed | well, deathwish + enrage is getting nerfed for pvp reasons I think |
| 23:01.39 | Antiarc|Work | But I have no range problems, and I'm in greens and a couple of blues. |
| 23:01.44 | Amadeo | but originally, my Warrior was worthless, I didn't even want to play him anymore |
| 23:01.47 | Antiarc|Work | Err, rage |
| 23:01.54 | Cryect | Well deathwish + enrage is sure not getting nerfed for PvE since that doesn't happen :-p |
| 23:01.59 | Aenslaed | yeah |
| 23:02.01 | Cryect | or well shouldn't |
| 23:02.09 | Megalon | Aenslaed: only got a screen of ssc from a friend druid >:< |
| 23:02.17 | Megalon | 5.4k AP, 41% crit |
| 23:02.21 | Amadeo | I'm not really sure why DW+Enrage is being nerfed anyway |
| 23:02.22 | Megalon | epeenscreenie :x |
| 23:02.30 | Aenslaed | Megalon: hehe. |
| 23:02.36 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: cause its the exception to the rule in arena |
| 23:02.39 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo, you're talking to someone with a rogue main who got outdamaged by locks and mages, took 100x the damage/healing they do, had no desirable crowd control, and was generally considered a liability for quite a while after BC's release :P |
| 23:02.50 | Amadeo | Aenslaed: How? |
| 23:02.56 | Aenslaed | Antiarc|Work: rogues are fine now with better gear though (pve) |
| 23:03.04 | Cryect | Amadeo: they don't want people's burst that high its quite simple kinda like they want to nerf Ret Paladin burst DPS |
| 23:03.05 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Yeah, but at least you still had PvP ;) |
| 23:03.12 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: Warriors destroy rogues in PVP. |
| 23:03.15 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: they deal as much damage as ever vs arena gear, but still rock 11k hp |
| 23:03.17 | Antiarc|Work | No contest. None whatsoever. |
| 23:03.20 | Amadeo | So what about PoM/Pyro or AP/PoM/Pyro? |
| 23:03.29 | Aenslaed | thats only once a fight |
| 23:03.30 | Cryect | Amadeo: Uh Rogues are worhtless in PvP well at least 5v5 arena |
| 23:03.32 | Amadeo | 3500 damage is overpowered, but 9000 damage isn't? :P |
| 23:03.36 | Antiarc|Work | Warrior + paladin is the most powerful PVP combo out there. |
| 23:03.38 | Antiarc|Work | No question. |
| 23:03.42 | Aenslaed | hrm |
| 23:03.43 | Aenslaed | no |
| 23:03.45 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: It's easily countered |
| 23:03.48 | Aenslaed | 2v2 is rock paper scissors right now |
| 23:03.51 | Antiarc|Work | Now, exactly? |
| 23:03.58 | Antiarc|Work | Not 2v2, so much |
| 23:04.01 | Cryect | 3500 damage uh warriors were doing way mmore than that |
| 23:04.06 | Aenslaed | spriest/warlock, warrior/pally, rogue/holypriest |
| 23:04.08 | Antiarc|Work | But warrior/paladin as the base of your team, be it 2, 3, or 5. |
| 23:04.10 | Amadeo | Cryect: Way more? Maybe with Berserker buff |
| 23:04.12 | Aenslaed | those are the 3 combos and they all beat each other |
| 23:04.19 | Cryect | and you aren't worthless after Enrage + DW fell off |
| 23:04.33 | Cryect | AP/Pyro mages sucked once AP was gone |
| 23:04.36 | Antiarc|Work | Warrior + paladin is, empirically, the most successful arena combo for any bracket. The numbers are there in the armory :) |
| 23:04.48 | Amadeo | DW is on a cooldown, just like AP and PoM is |
| 23:04.56 | Aenslaed | Antiarc|Work: rogue/holypriest beats that though |
| 23:05.06 | Aenslaed | err, not rogue holypriest |
| 23:05.07 | Antiarc|Work | How, exactly? |
| 23:05.08 | Cryect | Yes and once DW is on cooldown do you turn into a class that can be completely ignored? |
| 23:05.11 | Aenslaed | warlock.spriest beats that |
| 23:05.16 | Cryect | err person |
| 23:05.20 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: I don't think a lot of people know you can dispel Blessing of Freedom |
| 23:05.29 | shieldb | shhh |
| 23:05.30 | Amadeo | then just CC the Warrior |
| 23:05.31 | shieldb | that's secret |
| 23:05.40 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: And then the paladin cleanses |
| 23:05.44 | Antiarc|Work | And the warrior MSes your face :P |
| 23:05.56 | Antiarc|Work | You can't CC the paladin, thanks to Sacrifice |
| 23:06.04 | Aenslaed | naw, spriest mana burns the pally dry, warlock has soullink |
| 23:06.14 | Aenslaed | double dot, survive |
| 23:06.30 | Antiarc|Work | Warrior can pummel the shadow priest and he's shut down without any recourse. |
| 23:06.35 | Antiarc|Work | Fear? lolzerkerrage. |
| 23:06.38 | Aenslaed | thats fine, then the warlock is free |
| 23:06.53 | Diao | mage+pally > warr+pally |
| 23:06.54 | Antiarc|Work | All you have is death coil, and then once that breaks, intercept, MS, execute, dead priest. :/ |
| 23:06.54 | Diao | by far |
| 23:06.56 | Amadeo | Shadow Priest can mitigate so much damage that he's ok for an hour :P |
| 23:07.09 | Antiarc|Work | Mages fall over too easily. |
| 23:07.13 | Aenslaed | Antiarc|Work: not the point. the pally cannot keep a warrior up, and himself up vs double dots on those classes |
| 23:07.18 | Diao | maybe if they suck |
| 23:07.29 | _neuron_ | 2vs2 will never be balanced, when your mixing the class that hurts the most from kiting with blessing of freedom it will work. |
| 23:07.44 | _neuron_ | and warriors in 5vs5, yeah, they are powerfull, but you can't bring too many of em anyway, cuz they are useless when kited |
| 23:07.53 | Antiarc|Work | Aenslaed: With a MS war's burst vs a team with no heavy healing, the paladin can bubble out of danger, maintain the warrior, and the warrior chews through one enemy. |
| 23:07.57 | Antiarc|Work | Once one is down, it's basically over. |
| 23:07.59 | Amadeo | and the new trinket = more kiting |
| 23:08.05 | Aenslaed | _neuron_: thats what double pally teams are for 5v5. 2 warriors, 2 pallies, elemental shaman |
| 23:08.15 | Antiarc|Work | An MS warrior vs cloth/leather is a holy terror. |
| 23:08.32 | _neuron_ | Aenslaed, yeah... my pet windfury totem didn't show up today... /wrist |
| 23:08.37 | _neuron_ | best...totem...ever... |
| 23:08.40 | Aenslaed | heh |
| 23:08.50 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: I dunno, I hit Shadow Priests all day and by the time I break their bubble, they put a new one up |
| 23:09.08 | Cryect | You should break the bubble in one hit >_> |
| 23:09.14 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 23:09.16 | Amadeo | No, that's geared out Warriors |
| 23:09.22 | Diao | You need to get a tier 2 blacksmithing weapon |
| 23:09.22 | Antiarc|Work | You can only do 1400 damage in 15 seconds? |
| 23:09.22 | Diao | :P |
| 23:09.25 | Amadeo | So after the patch, I'll never break it :P |
| 23:09.38 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Well, no rage to do any attacks :P |
| 23:09.39 | Aenslaed | yeah... 1400 in 15 seconds, are you using a shield? |
| 23:09.52 | Amadeo | Shadowform mitigation, pretty decent armor mitigation |
| 23:09.52 | Diao | heavy frost mage + holy pally |
| 23:09.58 | Amadeo | and white swings |
| 23:10.04 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: i'm sorry, but shadow priests do not have armor mitigation |
| 23:10.08 | Cyrez | nymbia: Busy? Got a tiny PT3Bar request for ya. |
| 23:10.10 | Amadeo | Aenslaed: For cloth |
| 23:10.11 | Diao | is a nightmare for MS warr+pally |
| 23:10.19 | Antiarc|Work | Shadow priests have better AC than rogues :P |
| 23:10.28 | Aenslaed | Antiarc|Work: that isn't saying much |
| 23:10.38 | Aenslaed | and rogues deal with it with evasion vanish clos |
| 23:10.41 | Antiarc|Work | I know, but I'll still emo at being out-mitigated by a cloth class :P |
| 23:10.42 | nymbia | Cyrez: hit me |
| 23:10.47 | Antiarc|Work | Evasion doesn't do crap when you're stunned :/ |
| 23:10.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc|Work: by -every- cloth class ;) |
| 23:10.56 | Amadeo | and pummeling Mind Flay doesn't do anything but interrupt it for some reason |
| 23:10.57 | Antiarc|Work | Intercept, MS, white crit, WW, oh hay dead :V |
| 23:10.59 | Cyrez | Could it hide the item count if the count is = 1? |
| 23:11.09 | Aenslaed | Antiarc|Work: rogues are not the bottom of the heap in 5v5 so w/e. |
| 23:11.25 | Antiarc|Work | Nah, not the bottom by a long shot. |
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| 23:11.27 | Cyrez | I noticed that when I managed to get my Hearthstone on it. |
| 23:11.36 | nymbia | Cyrez: sure |
| 23:11.40 | Cyrez | <3 |
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| 23:11.51 | Amadeo | I think it's funny how Warlocks really don't get any major nerfs ever |
| 23:12.06 | Antiarc|Work | You mean like their across-the-board DOT scaling nerf? |
| 23:12.09 | Cryect | they do |
| 23:12.09 | _neuron_ | Amadeo, ... fear is nerfed atleast every second class |
| 23:12.10 | Cryect | yep |
| 23:12.12 | nymbia | Cyrez: how bout if the max stack size is 1? |
| 23:12.20 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: What do you mean? |
| 23:12.21 | _neuron_ | class = patch :P |
| 23:12.25 | Antiarc|Work | Warlocks are powerful, but they got WAY toned down in BC. |
| 23:12.25 | Amadeo | Fear nerf didn't do anything |
| 23:12.29 | nymbia | Cyrez: so people don't get confused when their potions got no numbers |
| 23:12.30 | Aenslaed | well |
| 23:12.37 | Cryect | Amadeo: DOTs used to get a lot more increase from +dmg |
| 23:12.38 | Antiarc|Work | Remember 2.0, pre-TBC, warlocks in battlegrounds? |
| 23:12.39 | Aenslaed | they are talking about making resilence work vs dots |
| 23:12.40 | _neuron_ | Amadeo, fear is a spell breaker now, that's about it |
| 23:12.41 | Cyrez | Good idea. |
| 23:12.49 | Aenslaed | and thats gonna hurt alot |
| 23:12.51 | Antiarc|Work | Their DOT multiplier was WAY up there, so they could DOT and run and you were dead, period, paragraph. |
| 23:12.55 | _neuron_ | Aenslaed, who is? never seen that |
| 23:13.11 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Oh, but that was made up for by insane spelldamage anyway |
| 23:13.25 | Antiarc|Work | Not really, because spelldamage is countered with stamina. |
| 23:13.26 | Cyrez | I don't get confused cuz I use AutoBar and it hides the number if it's 1 and if the max stack size is 1. |
| 23:13.32 | Aenslaed | _neuron_: idk. Maybe not blizz, but alot of the top 5v5 teams all have the shared opinion that it is gonna get changed soon |
| 23:13.44 | Antiarc|Work | Warlocks were far more dangerous, relatively, after 2.0 and before BC than they are now. |
| 23:13.47 | Antiarc|Work | Far, far, far more dangerous. |
| 23:14.06 | Aenslaed | but warlocks also suffer from the lack of escapes in group vs group fights |
| 23:14.10 | Cryect | Ugh warlocks sucked on Beta (which of course was the patch they put live till TBC came out) |
| 23:14.12 | Antiarc|Work | Yup. |
| 23:14.17 | Aenslaed | they still are all about sitting there and taking the hits |
| 23:14.23 | _neuron_ | with the changes they are making it's gonna be world of oneshotcraft once again though |
| 23:14.28 | Kilroo | I used to think my buddy's mage-tank was pretty funny. |
| 23:14.34 | _neuron_ | "BC, where battles will be long and skill based", right.. |
| 23:14.37 | Antiarc|Work | _neuron_: Resilience changes that rather effectively. |
| 23:14.39 | Aenslaed | _neuron_: impossible in arena gear i'm sorry |
| 23:14.40 | _neuron_ | 8k pyro, gg :p |
| 23:14.48 | Aenslaed | does not happen in arena gear i'm sorry |
| 23:14.50 | Antiarc|Work | High stamina + resilience = no more one-shotting |
| 23:14.53 | Amadeo | I'm looking at Tiz's profile...11680 HP, 615 spell damage without self buffs |
| 23:15.02 | Cryect | if you play WoW I hope you aren't playing for PvP since its not that great really >_> |
| 23:15.06 | _neuron_ | resilience isn't as effective as it should be imo, and yeah, stamina on arena gear for example does help, but the pve gear is getting a massive buff |
| 23:15.08 | Antiarc|Work | Raid gear + arena = hey guys I just one-shot that guy. :) |
| 23:15.14 | Antiarc|Work | (where the raid geared guy is the one dying) |
| 23:15.32 | _neuron_ | I have been hit for about 7.5k pyro in arena, that + fireblast hurts, a lot |
| 23:15.36 | Amadeo | except Warlocks don't need those crits |
| 23:15.42 | Kilroo | Eh. |
| 23:15.43 | Cryect | It doesn't hurt if you wear arena gear |
| 23:15.43 | _neuron_ | (berserker stance, but nothing else debuffing me) |
| 23:15.44 | Aenslaed | _neuron_: please dont exaggerate |
| 23:15.52 | Cryect | it hurts if you wear raid gear though :-p |
| 23:16.02 | Kilroo | To me the whole game is about 5-main questing and instance runs anyhow. |
| 23:16.05 | Antiarc|Work | That's an extra 10% to the pyto, though. That's significant. |
| 23:16.07 | _neuron_ | Aenslaed, go look at warrior forums atm, you'll find plenty of 8k+ pics as well |
| 23:16.07 | Kilroo | er |
| 23:16.11 | Kilroo | 5-man/ |
| 23:16.13 | _neuron_ | Antiarc|Work, I know |
| 23:16.21 | Aenslaed | _neuron_: grats, people pvping in arena with non arena gear |
| 23:16.38 | _neuron_ | Aenslaed, yeah, and that's exactly what I'm saying, with the buffs pve gear is getting it will be world of oneshotcraft again. |
| 23:16.41 | Aenslaed | i can produce a screenshot of me mangling someone for 12k too |
| 23:16.42 | Cryect | So anyone know whats with violation dropping my framerate to about 1 FPS |
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| 23:16.43 | Antiarc|Work | Stance switch would have turned that into a 6k pyro, which is really not too bad given warrior stamina, especially in the arena. |
| 23:17.00 | Antiarc|Work | That's, what, half the health pool, and the mage's ace is spent. |
| 23:17.12 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: So Tiz has 11680 HP and 745 spell damage with self buffs..not much of a trade off :P I don't know how his gear compares to anyone elses, so he could be average, but he is on a 1st place 5v5 team |
| 23:17.17 | ckknight | hey, anyone know the definition of a "poison bit"? |
| 23:17.18 | _neuron_ | Antiarc|Work, yeah but I'm not gonna run around in battlestance in arena, and 7.5k + instant fireblast = not that far off instant kill |
| 23:17.22 | Cryect | plus Spell REflect is off GCD |
| 23:17.24 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35154 10PT3Bar/PT3Bar.lua: |
| 23:17.24 | CIA-23 | PT3Bar: |
| 23:17.24 | CIA-23 | - Hide quantity text for items with a stack size and current count of 1 |
| 23:17.25 | _neuron_ | especially in 2vs2 with low amount of buffs |
| 23:17.41 | Kilroo | ckknight: sounds like severe cruelty to a horse. |
| 23:17.49 | Antiarc|Work | Why wouldn't you start in defensive stance? Seems like you'd want to mitigate the initial burst and then open up. |
| 23:17.50 | ckknight | nah, has to do with memory |
| 23:18.01 | _neuron_ | Antiarc|Work, because changing stances eats my rage |
| 23:18.08 | nymbia | ckknight: poison bit... uh.. a 2? |
| 23:18.14 | Antiarc|Work | _neuron_: ...you shouldn't have much rage to lose at the beginning of the match |
| 23:18.19 | vhaarr | Cryect: it shouldn't do that |
| 23:18.57 | _neuron_ | Antiarc|Work, you do :P, anger management and put yourself in combat |
| 23:18.58 | Amadeo | that bug is being fixed :P |
| 23:18.58 | nymbia | Amadeo: tiz smells funny. |
| 23:18.58 | _neuron_ | yeah :p |
| 23:18.58 | Antiarc|Work | That's a bug, though |
| 23:19.05 | Amadeo | nymbia: His spec is weird |
| 23:19.10 | KarlThePagan | ckknight, a poison object in programming is a special marker object used to signify the termination of some subroutine which consumes those objects |
| 23:20.47 | _neuron_ | my favorite pvp movie so far, warrior jumps off a ledge after a paladin (pally bubbles and jumps), has 43hp when he hits the ground, and abuses commanding shout until the pally is dead |
| 23:20.47 | KarlThePagan | so a poison bit may be something similar |
| 23:20.47 | Diao | isn't it |
| 23:20.47 | Diao | for instruction prediction |
| 23:20.47 | KarlThePagan | oh? sexy |
| 23:20.47 | Diao | so you can parallel process stuff |
| 23:20.47 | Diao | i think |
| 23:20.47 | nymbia | Amadeo: all i know is he kicked my ass a couple times when we were leveling... but then again, i'm a mage. |
| 23:20.47 | Antiarc|Work | That's also being fixed :P |
| 23:20.47 | Amadeo | nymbia: hehe |
| 23:20.47 | Gnarfoz | _neuron_: link? ;D |
| 23:20.47 | Amadeo | I don't think Commanding Shout should heal |
| 23:20.47 | Diao | they're not fixing the rage generation in combat from anger management thing |
| 23:20.48 | shieldb | ckknight, http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~plusquel/611/slides/chap4_7.html |
| 23:20.48 | Diao | they changed the tooltip |
| 23:20.48 | Awaa | What addon is it for, PT3Bar? |
| 23:20.48 | shieldb | do a search on the page for poison |
| 23:20.48 | Antiarc|Work | CS won't heal as of 2.1, I believe |
| 23:20.48 | _neuron_ | Gnarfoz, it's in garthd's third movie or something |
| 23:20.53 | _neuron_ | Antiarc|Work, yeah it's fixed |
| 23:20.53 | Megalon | CS doesn't even heal on live |
| 23:20.56 | _neuron_ | and lol at warriors going "they are nerfing commanding shout" :P |
| 23:21.02 | nymbia | haha |
| 23:21.02 | Diao | it does if you're below 1.3k hp |
| 23:21.09 | _neuron_ | pretty friggin obvius bug :P |
| 23:21.34 | Amadeo | Cyclone needs nerfed |
| 23:21.49 | _neuron_ | I do find it hilarius though, had a duel with a pally friend of mine where I let him dps me to 20% before I started slapping him, and abused commanding shout until he died. I should have friggin recorded him on ventrilo :P |
| 23:22.03 | Cryect | If Cyclone was nerfed it would have to be made into a real CC which they don't want to give druids |
| 23:22.16 | Amadeo | so for now it's just uber CC :P |
| 23:22.29 | Aenslaed | uhh |
| 23:22.32 | Antiarc|Work | I like cyclone where's it's at. High opportunity cost, but a counter for bubble and sacrifice. |
| 23:22.35 | Cryect | its not very uber in the sense it lasts 6 seconds for 1.5 second cast w/ Diminishing Returns |
| 23:22.36 | ckknight | thanks, shieldb |
| 23:22.43 | shieldb | <3 |
| 23:22.45 | Diao | it's the ultimate cc while it lasts |
| 23:22.51 | Diao | but it doesn't last very long |
| 23:22.54 | Aenslaed | its needed though |
| 23:22.58 | Antiarc|Work | Diao: It also puts the caster at a lot of risk |
| 23:22.59 | Aenslaed | what else does a resto or balance druid have |
| 23:23.05 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: No, it's a Druid :P |
| 23:23.10 | Diao | it's fine as is |
| 23:23.10 | Diao | imo |
| 23:23.14 | Cryect | vhaarr: seems it was just some library conflicts of older versions (just updated all the libs I had on PTR) |
| 23:23.34 | Cyrez | nymbia: It works but it spit out "[2007/05/11 16:19:16-671-x1]: PT3Bar-1.0\PT3Bar.lua:604: attempt to compare nil with number" and I see these three buttons with hammers on them that don't do anything. |
| 23:23.55 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: When a druid pops out of a high-AC form to cast cyclone, I take that as an invitation to mess 'em up :P |
| 23:24.03 | vhaarr | Cryect: alright |
| 23:24.08 | Cyrez | I had done a UI reload first, but then I exited out and went back in and it did the same thing. |
| 23:24.11 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Hopefully they've run away first :) |
| 23:24.14 | nymbia | Cyrez: that's what i get for drycoding, sec |
| 23:24.22 | Antiarc|Work | You can't run while casting though! |
| 23:24.38 | Aenslaed | Antiarc|Work: no kidding. Barkskin change is going to help though |
| 23:25.08 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: You can start Stealthed in cat, stay away from everyone, next thing you know, someone is Cycloned...or run away in Cheetah until people stop chasing you since it's futile, then do it again :P |
| 23:25.21 | Antiarc|Work | Hehe, indeed |
| 23:25.33 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35155 10PT3Bar/PT3Bar.lua: |
| 23:25.33 | CIA-23 | PT3Bar: |
| 23:25.33 | CIA-23 | - Maybe fix bug |
| 23:25.36 | Amadeo | there was a video I watched, 2v2 team..Warlock and Druid |
| 23:25.42 | Amadeo | Druid just spammed Cyclone the whole time, really |
| 23:25.50 | Amadeo | ran away, healed a bit, spam Cyclone |
| 23:25.56 | Cryect | vhaarr: does violation track specific details on damage/healing done or is just one sum number for each value tracked? |
| 23:25.59 | Amadeo | back and forth, wait for DR timer to run out, spam more |
| 23:26.08 | vhaarr | Cryect: Not yet. |
| 23:26.28 | Diao | what if they maim you |
| 23:26.35 | Diao | and then cyclone someone else |
| 23:26.45 | KarlThePagan | ckknight, this paper seems to cover the topic in better detail - http://support.inf.uth.gr/courses/CE536/Instruction_level_parallelism.pdf |
| 23:26.45 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: that tactic works in 2v2 and maybe 3v3, but not 5v5. You can't afford your druid running around in travel form for any period of time |
| 23:26.54 | Cryect | vhaarr: heh, boo wanting something to really replace recap with which has a bunch of old bugs in it |
| 23:26.57 | Amadeo | Aenslaed: Yeah, I'll agree with that..unless you have more than one! :) |
| 23:27.07 | Aenslaed | Diao: feral druids who cyclone really haven't done the math very well -_- Unless its defensive cyclone to save a healer. |
| 23:27.18 | ckknight | KarlThePagan: nah, I'm good. |
| 23:27.22 | ckknight | thanks, though |
| 23:27.36 | Amadeo | Once one person is immune to Cyclone, you can just switch to the other until the first persons DR timer has reset |
| 23:27.38 | Cyrez | Booya, that did it! <3 |
| 23:27.45 | Cyrez | TY ^^ |
| 23:27.51 | nymbia | :) |
| 23:27.55 | Diao | maim is a class ability though |
| 23:27.59 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: i'm sorry, but when counting the class make up of the top 5 teams of every BG that made it into the qualifiers, only 3% were druids. Two druids is not the recipe to success. |
| 23:28.00 | Diao | all they have to do is pounce, maim |
| 23:28.06 | Cryect | So Amadeo you are suggesting the druid should occupy 100% of his time to remove one person on the other team! |
| 23:28.08 | Diao | giving them enough time to do it |
| 23:28.19 | Amadeo | if it's 2v2, yeah :) |
| 23:28.22 | Aenslaed | Diao: maim is a class ability, but it is also a finisher |
| 23:28.26 | vhaarr | Cryect: hehe |
| 23:28.30 | Cyrez | I'm gonna toss AutoBar when I finish configuring PT3Bar to my liking. |
| 23:28.33 | vhaarr | Cryect: it's getting there, but it's not ready yet |
| 23:28.34 | Cryect | If that happens then its a 1v1 fight exciting! |
| 23:28.34 | nymbia | if your other player is a soul link warlock |
| 23:28.41 | nymbia | then hell yeah, make it a 1v1 |
| 23:28.50 | Aenslaed | Diao: its like, i'm gonna throw a kidney shot on a random target go! |
| 23:29.14 | Diao | or say |
| 23:29.18 | Diao | against a team without offensive dispel |
| 23:29.21 | Diao | MC! |
| 23:29.33 | Garoun | god @#$@#$, everytime I log off and log back on even though I change dungeon difficulty to normal... it ALWAYS switches to heroic |
| 23:29.36 | Antiarc|Work | Aenslaed: I run around envenoming targets for 5k. I just envenom, tab, envenom, tab, envenom, and they're all dead! \o/ |
| 23:29.47 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: Nerf! |
| 23:29.54 | Antiarc|Work | Obviously! |
| 23:29.55 | Cryect | Antiarc|Work: Sounds good! |
| 23:30.11 | Cryect | I love tab 5 combo point Finishing moves |
| 23:30.16 | Antiarc|Work | I need the ability to mix poisons together in PVP :( |
| 23:30.28 | Cryect | You got it :-p its called dual wield :-p |
| 23:30.32 | Antiarc|Work | Or I need to be able to quad-wield. |
| 23:30.35 | Amadeo | haha |
| 23:30.37 | Antiarc|Work | I want to use crippling, mind numbing, wounding, and deadly all at once! |
| 23:30.38 | Cryect | Grow more arms! |
| 23:30.58 | Antiarc|Work | Oh, I have the perfect solution |
| 23:31.01 | Amadeo | if you were Draenai, you could use your tail |
| 23:31.04 | Antiarc|Work | You know how hunters get snake trap? |
| 23:31.06 | Antiarc|Work | SNAKES ON A ROGUE |
| 23:31.07 | Antiarc|Work | I'm a rogue |
| 23:31.10 | Antiarc|Work | With poisons |
| 23:31.11 | Antiarc|Work | And snakes |
| 23:31.14 | Antiarc|Work | And the snakes have poisons. |
| 23:31.22 | Gnarfoz | that's just... weird |
| 23:31.25 | Amadeo | snakes should shoot out of your blades |
| 23:31.28 | Antiarc|Work | That would be amazing. |
| 23:31.36 | NightHawkTheSane | and the dogs, with bees in their mouths, so hwhen they bite you the bees shoot out and sting you! |
| 23:31.44 | Antiarc|Work | When at full hearts, I could shoot snakes at my enemies! |
| 23:31.48 | Antiarc|Work | Pew pew. |
| 23:32.00 | Antiarc|Work | Ok, it's definitely 4:30 on a Friday. |
| 23:32.31 | nymbia | lol |
| 23:33.27 | Gnarfoz | 4:30 |
| 23:33.31 | Gnarfoz | where's that? :D |
| 23:33.32 | Amadeo | Ask your boss if you can use EST for today |
| 23:33.36 | Antiarc|Work | Phoenix, AZ |
| 23:33.37 | NightHawkTheSane | PST |
| 23:34.04 | kergoth | nymbia: i wonder how to make quartz truncate the spell text so it doesn't overlap the time text... without hardcoding a time text width. i guess you could look at the spell cast time, and figure out the longest that text could possibly be given your text formatting function, shove that into a similar fontstring and do a GetStringWidth(), and use that.. |
| 23:35.06 | nymbia | kergoth: yeah. |
| 23:35.36 | undu | Nymbia: Dunno if someone brought it up yet or not, but when crafting multiple items, the cast text goes: 1:10 > 1:9 instead of 1:09 |
| 23:36.09 | nymbia | undu: ok, thanks |
| 23:36.27 | undu | timer text* |
| 23:36.39 | nymbia | yeah |
| 23:36.43 | nymbia | i know what the problem is ;) |
| 23:38.47 | vhaarr | nymbia: that tradeskill castbar fucking rocks |
| 23:38.55 | nymbia | vhaarr: thanks :) |
| 23:39.04 | vhaarr | I didn't know about it until today |
| 23:39.07 | nymbia | vhaarr: kergoth's idea ;) |
| 23:39.09 | vhaarr | when I was going to make 80 bandages |
| 23:39.17 | nymbia | lol |
| 23:39.20 | vhaarr | ~hail kergoth |
| 23:39.39 | purl | ACTION bows down to kergoth and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 23:39.39 | Morghus | Oooh. What's it do? |
| 23:40.02 | Morghus | Pack the cast-time for 80 bandages into one? |
| 23:40.12 | vhaarr | nymbia: would it be an idea to make the GCD-bar display the time per item, though? |
| 23:40.16 | vhaarr | Morghus: yes |
| 23:40.50 | nymbia | vhaarr: ooh, that'd be cool. |
| 23:40.53 | Morghus | That. Is. Cool. and practical. Let's me know how long I should go AFK next time I'm smelting 100+ stuff |
| 23:41.10 | vhaarr | Morghus: exactly! |
| 23:41.40 | shieldb | Morghus, if you afk long enough to get flagged as afk and sit down it stops it there, though :| |
| 23:42.10 | Morghus | nymbia: Possible to add an "Alert-timer" to it, so you can come back and flip a switch to dodge the AFK? ;D |
| 23:43.01 | Morghus | I suppose it's the kind of functionality that can be considered over the top, but right now it'd be a fun addition. |
| 23:43.20 | Morghus | I only got to test it briefly, and your addon looks hawt nymbia, once again congratulations :) |
| 23:43.58 | nymbia | Morghus: :) |
| 23:45.09 | Morghus | By the way, the cast-bars latency-indicator works wonders with the /stopcasting -line- /cast fireball macro. I bet I managed to squeeze another % dps out of it <3 |
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| 23:45.52 | nymbia | yeah |
| 23:46.09 | nymbia | i'd like to make it a little more consistent |
| 23:46.31 | nymbia | sometimes there's a lag spike at the start of the cast that's gone by the end of it, so the bar's bigger than it should be |
| 23:46.36 | NimbleRabit | Hey guys if you use the "hide non-mana" option for raid frames in Pitbull, is there a way to make the frame get smaller instead of just have health fill where the mana bar would have been? |
| 23:47.48 | Morghus | nymbia: How would you go about fixing that? Dynamic latency-meter instead of a fixed one? |
| 23:47.55 | Morghus | *latency-indicator |
| 23:48.16 | Morghus | ( If I understood you correctly ) |
| 23:48.30 | NimbleRabit | ckknight, You there? |
| 23:48.36 | ckknight | no |
| 23:48.37 | ckknight | busy |
| 23:48.44 | nymbia | Morghus: maybe average the measured lag from the last 10 casts |
| 23:48.48 | ckknight | and no, the frame can't get smaller. |
| 23:49.01 | NimbleRabit | what is the point then, the text is still the same so it just looks silly |
| 23:49.28 | NimbleRabit | with tiny text meant to fit in a smaller space pushed to the middle of a big frame |
| 23:49.31 | kergoth | nymbia: thats basically what kEnergy does for the tick times, it maintains a running average & running stddev |
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| 23:49.52 | kergoth | maybe try the same thing |
| 23:51.00 | Morghus | kergoth: I was about to say that "It's not consistent though", but realized that's me lagging and not the addon being wrong. |
| 23:51.22 | nymbia | kergoth: yeah, that sounds good. |
| 23:51.25 | kergoth | yeah, an average can only do so much, you still have lag spikes |
| 23:51.30 | kergoth | but its better than nothing |
| 23:52.21 | Morghus | I've found kEnergy to be surprisingly accurate. Isn't it possible to just have the addon read off the numbers from the latency meter? |
| 23:53.30 | Roartindon | nymbia: re: lag, the castbar shouldn't be adjusted if the lag changed midcast |
| 23:54.12 | nymbia | Roartindon: naw, i dont think i'll ever use the API's ping number, just measured ones |
| 23:54.24 | Roartindon | nymbia: The thing is, we record when we send the message |
| 23:54.33 | Roartindon | Then the castbar finishes that recorded time + spellcast time later |
| 23:54.36 | Roartindon | + jitter padding |
| 23:54.58 | Roartindon | If the latency changes midway, it doesn't change the fact that we want to start the next fireball at 3 seconds later than we started the last one |
| 23:55.20 | Roartindon | that we want to send the command to start the next fireball 3 seconds later than we sent the command to start the last one * |
| 23:55.24 | nymbia | hrm.. that's true. |
| 23:55.57 | Roartindon | it's not that if we send a fireball, and have a lagspike of 1 second then |
| 23:56.09 | Roartindon | that we suddenly adjust the castbar down half a second if the lag drops 500ms midcast |
| 23:56.32 | *** join/#wowace Andalia (i=xx@p54ac9a20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:56.42 | Roartindon | it's all just trying to make sure we can send a new fireball start cast message every 3 sec. or 3.1 sec if you have a 100ms safety margin |
| 23:56.59 | Roartindon | Back when the servers were going SUPER during our bwl runs |
| 23:57.05 | Roartindon | like latency spikes of 5+ seconds |
| 23:57.13 | nymbia | those were good times. |
| 23:57.14 | nymbia | lol |
| 23:57.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:57.21 | Roartindon | we could still cast faster than the lag time, |
| 23:57.30 | Roartindon | by pressing /stopcasting /cast Fireball every 3.5 sec |
| 23:57.32 | Roartindon | and it'd chain cast |
| 23:57.33 | Megalon | when the whole razorgore room just stood there, all mobs :x |
| 23:58.05 | Morghus | "Uh guys... why're the mobs... oh :(" |
| 23:58.16 | Roartindon | bwl is sutpidly easy nowadays |
| 23:58.20 | Roartindon | went in with a PUG 20 |
| 23:58.24 | Roartindon | and did razorgore |
| 23:58.47 | Roartindon | tried vael, and with 22 people, including a number of awful players, we got him to 7% before first tank blew up |
| 23:59.15 | Megalon | wow, tell me more of that story :P |
| 23:59.36 | hyperChipmunk | well razorgore would be easy, since it's a lot of non-boss stuff that'd be totally impotent with the level difference |
| 23:59.58 | *** join/#wowace stavmar (n=chatzill@cpe-97-99-113-207.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 23:59.59 | Roartindon | Then on the dragon packs after vael, our tank decided to tank 4 of them at once |
