| 00:00.28 | hyperChipmunk | so locals inside stay inside |
| 00:01.08 | ag` | aha |
| 00:01.09 | hyperChipmunk | not sure why you'd want to do that with a local function though |
| 00:01.34 | CIA-23 | 03fenlis * r35380 10Quartz/locale/Quartz-koKR.lua: |
| 00:01.34 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 00:01.34 | CIA-23 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 00:01.34 | a-stray-cat | it is? :X |
| 00:01.34 | nymbia | ag`: i do that to force their scope to be just there, so i can't accidentally call it somewhere else or something |
| 00:01.35 | Nargiddley | it'll be local to the do .. end block |
| 00:01.43 | hyperChipmunk | but just for a block of code, it creates a scope for locals |
| 00:01.51 | ag` | yeah |
| 00:01.56 | Jagobah | Quartz..... crystal :D |
| 00:01.56 | ag` | I get it now |
| 00:02.06 | nymbia | Jagobah: lol |
| 00:02.35 | Jagobah | it is the popular addon everyone is updating! |
| 00:03.44 | Amadeo | Is there a way that Mages can increase the chance that Impact procs? |
| 00:03.55 | a-stray-cat | i sure hope not. |
| 00:03.56 | Amadeo | There's this Mage I kept fighting that would have at least 6 procs a fight |
| 00:04.07 | a-stray-cat | bad luck? :< |
| 00:04.14 | nymbia | Amadeo: if you're meleeing them, you'll have molten armor proccing it on you |
| 00:04.17 | NightHawkTheSane | or good luck, depending on your pov |
| 00:04.25 | Amadeo | nymbia: It wasn't even from me hitting him |
| 00:04.27 | hyperChipmunk | anyone have a bag slot iterator handy? |
| 00:04.29 | Amadeo | I could never catch up because I was always stunned |
| 00:04.33 | nymbia | Amadeo: luck, then |
| 00:04.36 | Amadeo | lol |
| 00:04.46 | NightHawkTheSane | as an aside, molten armor is so bullshit |
| 00:04.49 | a-stray-cat | armory him and look for suspicious things! |
| 00:04.59 | a-stray-cat | its awesome if you're a hunter :P |
| 00:05.05 | Amadeo | All of Mage armor is bullshit :P |
| 00:05.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: nah, 'Mage Armor' i'm cool with |
| 00:05.25 | [dRaCo] | purge and you're done. |
| 00:05.37 | NightHawkTheSane | rogues and warriors cant purge. :P |
| 00:05.39 | Amadeo | I keep pressing my Purge button but it says I have no Rage |
| 00:06.35 | Seerah_ | I believe the highest chance to proc you can get for Impact is 10% |
| 00:06.50 | Seerah_ | but that doesn't necessarily mean it will only proc one out of ten times |
| 00:07.07 | Seerah_ | it could proc 6 out of 10 |
| 00:07.07 | Amadeo | yeah, I have no idea |
| 00:07.20 | Amadeo | out of 3 fights, his Impact would proc so much that I'd reach DR each time |
| 00:07.27 | NightHawkTheSane | it means that when it chain procs and stunlock you, mages can just whine and say 'but it's only a 10% chance!' |
| 00:07.56 | Seerah_ | oh, but what's the rogue's excuse? :P |
| 00:08.03 | kebinusan | cloak of skill |
| 00:08.13 | Amadeo | Worst thing about melee is lag |
| 00:08.24 | Amadeo | 99% of the time when you're on top of someone, your attacks still don't work |
| 00:08.35 | *** join/#wowace vodrin (i=vodrin@cpc2-stre3-0-0-cust970.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 00:08.38 | Amadeo | I can be on top of someone on my screen and use Piercing Howl, and it won't even hit them |
| 00:08.39 | kebinusan | wish the rogues I fight had that problem |
| 00:09.27 | kebinusan | but hey, blizzard cant even do a simple thing like collision on player models, its so fun having spells interrupted as someone just clips through your player model to interrupt los |
| 00:09.31 | Amadeo | As much as I prefer melee, I think I'm done choosing melee classes in games just due to the lag issues |
| 00:09.47 | Amadeo | haha, I hate that too |
| 00:09.57 | Amadeo | what was it in DAoC? /face? |
| 00:10.28 | NightHawkTheSane | kebinusan: non-clipping models is not something blizzard 'cant' do, its something they intentionally chose not to do. |
| 00:10.28 | kebinusan | I never played daoc but yeah I think so |
| 00:10.49 | Amadeo | It's probably better that Blizzard did it this way |
| 00:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | it is. |
| 00:10.57 | Amadeo | I can only imagine how kids would act |
| 00:10.59 | Amadeo | blocking you in AV, etc |
| 00:11.11 | Jagobah | I am going to download and try out the Quartz addon in the world of warcraft |
| 00:11.12 | Amadeo | unless they allowed you to jump over each other :) |
| 00:11.28 | kebinusan | not for a caster, there are a number of things they could have done such as allowing spells with cast times to track the opponent |
| 00:11.45 | Amadeo | kebinusan: Yeah, and they should have |
| 00:11.53 | Seerah_ | <3 AM |
| 00:11.59 | kebinusan | the fact that they chose not to is just sorta lame, melee classes have a number of abilities that allow for spell interurpts, they dont need more by dancing through player models |
| 00:12.23 | Amadeo | kebinusan: Melee might not ever win otherwise :P |
| 00:12.24 | NightHawkTheSane | kebinusan: oh, i'm not arguing that that's not an issue, merely saying that implementing model collision isnt some panancea |
| 00:13.16 | a-stray-cat | i never understood why spells with cast timers don't track your opponent on caster classes |
| 00:13.20 | *** join/#wowace Roartindon (n=jtlim@ppp45-123.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 00:13.23 | a-stray-cat | both aimed shot and steady shot track your opponent :X |
| 00:13.42 | a-stray-cat | but then again, if your target's close enough to dance through you, you've other problems. |
| 00:14.09 | Amadeo | Don't worry, with the Warrior nerfs coming for 2.1, you won't have to worry about us getting close anymore :P |
| 00:14.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine non-tracking spells was also a design decision. not that I know why, but *shrug* |
| 00:14.31 | kebinusan | Channeled spells track, non channeled dont |
| 00:14.34 | a-stray-cat | oh please, warriors will still be plenty strong in 2.1 :P |
| 00:14.35 | Diao | if spells could track |
| 00:14.40 | Diao | then melee would need to hit twice as hard as spells |
| 00:14.40 | Amadeo | a-stray-cat: Maybe in arena |
| 00:14.45 | a-stray-cat | as long as they have MS they'll be wanted in arena :X |
| 00:14.45 | Diao | to make up for it |
| 00:14.46 | NightHawkTheSane | kebinusan: which is why i say it was a design decision :P |
| 00:14.47 | kebinusan | diao no |
| 00:14.59 | kebinusan | you'd need to maybe use interrupts instead of los cheese |
| 00:15.08 | Diao | right |
| 00:15.11 | Diao | my 4 second interrupt |
| 00:15.12 | Diao | every 10 seconds |
| 00:15.20 | kebinusan | fact is melee already have the advantage against caster classes with spell pushpacks from each attack you do |
| 00:15.28 | kebinusan | yeah, what class? rogue? |
| 00:15.31 | Diao | 3.8s cast |
| 00:15.35 | Diao | er |
| 00:15.37 | Diao | swing timer |
| 00:15.39 | Diao | warrior |
| 00:15.41 | a-stray-cat | better than my 3 second interrupt every 20 seconds diao ;P |
| 00:15.41 | NightHawkTheSane | kebinusan: pushbacks dont apply to all classes equally :P |
| 00:15.48 | Amadeo | kebinusan: but casters have the advantage against melee classes because they can escape so easily |
| 00:16.04 | vodrin | warlocks can escape easy? ;-o |
| 00:16.11 | a-stray-cat | prot warriors should get a charge that knocks a pvp opponent back like 10 yards, that'd be awesome |
| 00:16.13 | kebinusan | really? yeah cause melee classes dont have ways to close the distance on casters |
| 00:16.26 | kebinusan | charge, intercept, sprint, blind, deadly throw |
| 00:16.26 | Diao | you've never played melee have you |
| 00:16.42 | kebinusan | clos |
| 00:16.44 | Amadeo | Charge is out of combat, and if you let someone Charge you, you're either not paying attention or doing something wrong :P |
| 00:16.45 | NightHawkTheSane | meh |
| 00:16.46 | Diao | and btw |
| 00:16.49 | Diao | 1.5s cast |
| 00:16.52 | Diao | is near impossible to pummel |
| 00:16.52 | Diao | with lag |
| 00:16.54 | Amadeo | Intercept has a cooldown, so once they blow that, you can escape |
| 00:16.57 | NightHawkTheSane | this discussion is now just whining and braggartry |
| 00:17.07 | vodrin | braggartry.. pro |
| 00:17.15 | a-stray-cat | they'll do like 2k damage in that 3 second stun though, half the time |
| 00:17.19 | Diao | it's happened multiple times where i've pummeled, my combat log says "you interrupt mage's sheep" |
| 00:17.22 | Diao | and i still get sheeped |
| 00:17.28 | kebinusan | umm, yeah cause every warrior doesnt keep their opponent hamstrung |
| 00:17.33 | Amadeo | a-stray-cat: 2k damage out of 7000-10000 HP isn't too bad :) |
| 00:17.42 | a-stray-cat | but if you're at 4k |
| 00:17.44 | Amadeo | kebinusan: You're a Warlock, right? |
| 00:17.44 | a-stray-cat | and they do 2k |
| 00:17.48 | a-stray-cat | they execute you for the rest :P |
| 00:17.50 | kebinusan | fact is that melee classes have enough advantages in this game without the need to be dancing through player models |
| 00:17.54 | kebinusan | Amadeo: as a main yes |
| 00:17.57 | *** join/#wowace JoshBorke (n=Josh@r54h77.res.gatech.edu) |
| 00:18.01 | Amadeo | Unless they're Undead, Warriors can't break Seduce |
| 00:18.03 | Diao | no they don't |
| 00:18.04 | Diao | lol |
| 00:18.06 | Morghus | Theoretically, if a warlock should desire to flee, deathcoil + Fear, or equivalents should be more than enough. |
| 00:18.13 | Diao | this whole game is about ranged |
| 00:18.20 | a-stray-cat | i have 11k hp :< yesterday a warrior intercepted me through my frost trap when i was at 5k |
| 00:18.28 | vodrin | arena is totally dominated by plate in europe |
| 00:18.28 | a-stray-cat | got executed before intercept wore off |
| 00:18.35 | vodrin | and physical damage |
| 00:18.41 | kebinusan | Morghus: yeah, you have any idea how unreliable fear is? and how its getting even more so? not to mention warriors are almost impossible to fear in pvp |
| 00:18.56 | Amadeo | You can't fear Warriors, but that's ok, don't waste time trying |
| 00:18.59 | Amadeo | just use other stuff :) |
| 00:19.03 | a-stray-cat | granted i was stupid to even let the warrior intercept me, but still :P |
| 00:19.04 | vodrin | like? |
| 00:19.17 | a-stray-cat | i wat like half health and just fell over |
| 00:19.18 | CAL|Smeltn | anyone getting errors on Gemlist |
| 00:19.25 | Morghus | kebinusan: If you intend to flee, Fear is as reliable as anything. If you intend to dagger them to death instead... |
| 00:19.30 | vodrin | we have fear, coex, seduce |
| 00:19.37 | vodrin | fear and coex is useless vs a warrior |
| 00:19.39 | Amadeo | Make them waste Intercept, DC, CoEx and kite, or Seduce and nuke, etc |
| 00:19.46 | vodrin | seduce, with a dispeller anywhere near is also uselss |
| 00:19.48 | kebinusan | and seduce depends on us having the right pet out and that it hasnt died from the first whirlwind/cleave |
| 00:19.56 | CAL|Smeltn | like gemlist is not populating |
| 00:20.07 | vodrin | when they intercept they always hamstring |
| 00:20.28 | Diao | you shouldn't blow deathcoil before the intercept :P |
| 00:20.31 | Diao | that's when warriors get you |
| 00:20.33 | Seerah_ | CAL|Smeltn: I don't use it, sorry |
| 00:20.34 | Amadeo | yep |
| 00:20.35 | Morghus | Sounds like you're confusing "to flee" with "to disable and kill" |
| 00:20.45 | a-stray-cat | i've more trouble with that shout that snares you at midrange |
| 00:20.45 | kebinusan | I really dont care about those pvp counters as much as it bugs me that when I am trying to do something with a warrior on me, half the time I cant because of dancing through player frames |
| 00:20.54 | a-stray-cat | trinketting out of intercept to get hit by that sucks |
| 00:21.06 | Diao | PH is buggy |
| 00:21.13 | Diao | sometimes it hits people that are on the edge of your screen |
| 00:21.16 | Diao | other times it won't hit people you're on top of |
| 00:21.19 | Amadeo | Diao: It's just lag |
| 00:21.22 | Amadeo | happens to me a lot |
| 00:21.31 | Diao | yeah but it's really weird lag |
| 00:21.45 | Amadeo | well, lag is a general term...your point on the screen isn't your actual point on the server |
| 00:21.47 | vodrin | its just crappy chr positioning lag |
| 00:22.02 | kebinusan | coex is a pretty pathetic snare compared to deadly throw, hamstring, and crippling poison too |
| 00:22.08 | vodrin | like rogues meleeing from 10+ yards away |
| 00:22.16 | a-stray-cat | does deadly throw have a cooldown? |
| 00:22.23 | vodrin | no, combo points |
| 00:22.25 | kebinusan | which btw people have to spec for coex |
| 00:22.28 | a-stray-cat | how interesting :/ |
| 00:22.32 | kebinusan | requires the rogue have combo points on you |
| 00:22.42 | vodrin | interesting with interrupt bonus indeed |
| 00:22.51 | kebinusan | so if you dc before they use a finisher on you then boom |
| 00:22.52 | a-stray-cat | i dont understand that |
| 00:23.06 | kebinusan | And the interrupt bonus on pvp gloves is ugh. |
| 00:23.22 | a-stray-cat | hunters have to spend 41 points for a way to stop casters from casting at range |
| 00:23.29 | a-stray-cat | and rogues get an interrupt from a set bonus |
| 00:23.44 | a-stray-cat | on a skill with no cooldown no less ;P |
| 00:23.54 | a-stray-cat | that seems to always proc that extra point |
| 00:23.56 | Bruners | is there any trash loot in maggys lair? |
| 00:24.03 | vodrin | nope |
| 00:24.07 | kebinusan | siliencing shot, intimidation, or for hunters its just backing up that works quite well seeing as you have longer range |
| 00:24.15 | a-stray-cat | oh please |
| 00:24.15 | kebinusan | boar charge or w/e too |
| 00:24.18 | a-stray-cat | we've 5 yards |
| 00:24.37 | a-stray-cat | intimidation and silencing shot are mutually exclusive |
| 00:24.51 | kebinusan | but two different specs have different ways of handing lit |
| 00:25.04 | a-stray-cat | intimidation is a 3 second stun on a 1 minute cooldown |
| 00:25.13 | a-stray-cat | it's not going to save us |
| 00:25.17 | a-stray-cat | BM is all about big red hunter |
| 00:25.37 | a-stray-cat | intimidation is just an extra perk you throw out once a minute |
| 00:25.37 | vodrin | thats like saying death coil is shit its not going to save you |
| 00:25.50 | a-stray-cat | initimidation doesn't save you against most people |
| 00:25.50 | vodrin | 3s of opponent doing nothing is good! |
| 00:26.11 | Amadeo | You don't even need it |
| 00:26.16 | Amadeo | just use a nice Boar and spec Marks or something :P |
| 00:26.16 | a-stray-cat | we don't have a followup fear for intimidation though |
| 00:26.19 | Morghus | Death Coil is used offensively, and offensively alone. Can't call it an escape skill anymore, though that was the original point of it :p |
| 00:26.20 | a-stray-cat | like death coil does :P |
| 00:26.36 | a-stray-cat | intimidation -> we're done |
| 00:26.42 | a-stray-cat | all we have is big red, and traps after that |
| 00:26.45 | Diao | lol |
| 00:26.49 | a-stray-cat | marks at least has scatter shot + silencing shot ;P |
| 00:26.50 | Amadeo | and Cheetah kiting :P |
| 00:26.51 | *** join/#wowace ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 00:26.55 | a-stray-cat | who are we going to kite |
| 00:27.03 | Diao | scatter + imp wing clip |
| 00:27.06 | a-stray-cat | rogues and warriors? no caster is going to let you kite them :P |
| 00:27.07 | Diao | and spam rank 1 wingclip |
| 00:27.08 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 00:27.09 | vodrin | just go melee :D |
| 00:27.11 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:27.14 | Amadeo | I think I'd rather be Marks as a Hunter |
| 00:27.14 | a-stray-cat | rogues have deadly throw now |
| 00:27.16 | Amadeo | hey ckknight |
| 00:27.18 | Morghus | Hey ckknight |
| 00:27.25 | ckknight | apparently my power brick died for my laptop |
| 00:27.27 | vodrin | just raptor strike a clothie in the face |
| 00:27.29 | a-stray-cat | rogues and warriors are easily dealt with though in arena |
| 00:27.31 | ckknight | dropped it too many times, I guess |
| 00:27.34 | Amadeo | ckknight: The Mac? |
| 00:27.37 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:27.40 | ckknight | I'm not kind to it. |
| 00:27.40 | a-stray-cat | all you have to do is Use the Magic of LOS(tm). |
| 00:27.43 | Amadeo | wow, that sucks |
| 00:27.45 | ckknight | I've let it overheat more than once. |
| 00:27.53 | Seerah_ | tsk tsk ;) |
| 00:27.55 | Morghus | Mac > Floor turned to Floor > Mac? Oo |
| 00:27.55 | ckknight | Amadeo: no biggie, went down to the store and got a free one |
| 00:27.58 | Amadeo | did you have something on top of it? why else would it overheat? |
| 00:28.07 | ckknight | Amadeo: on my bed, with the covers over it. |
| 00:28.10 | Amadeo | hah |
| 00:28.18 | Seerah_ | hiding it? o.O |
| 00:28.23 | Amadeo | From his mom! |
| 00:28.24 | vodrin | porn in bed? |
| 00:28.34 | ckknight | vodrin: duh? |
| 00:28.37 | Seerah_ | making a new movie? |
| 00:28.38 | Amadeo | crackers in bed |
| 00:28.40 | ckknight | Seerah_: no, not hiding it |
| 00:28.44 | ckknight | I'm on my bed now |
| 00:28.46 | ckknight | using my laptop |
| 00:28.52 | ckknight | it's comfy |
| 00:28.53 | Amadeo | what are you wearing? |
| 00:28.57 | vodrin | haha |
| 00:28.58 | Seerah_ | LOL |
| 00:29.05 | Bruners | i bet i make even better addons in bed |
| 00:29.13 | Amadeo | called children? :P |
| 00:29.14 | ckknight | jeans, shirt, rolled-up overshirt |
| 00:29.39 | Amadeo | unbutton, but do it slowly! |
| 00:30.21 | Amadeo | So yeah, I think I'd be Marksman if I had a Hunter :) |
| 00:30.36 | Amadeo | Mainly for the extra range |
| 00:30.52 | Bruners | i have been MM since level 32 |
| 00:31.01 | Amadeo | What are you now? 33? |
| 00:31.15 | Bruners | haha |
| 00:31.18 | Bruners | 70 |
| 00:31.28 | a-stray-cat | armadeo |
| 00:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | I should level up a hunter for farming or something |
| 00:31.33 | a-stray-cat | extra range is in the survival tree |
| 00:31.34 | a-stray-cat | ;p |
| 00:31.37 | Amadeo | I think I have a 20-something Hunter on a server |
| 00:31.41 | Amadeo | a-stray-cat: They moved it? |
| 00:31.48 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, couple patches ago |
| 00:31.49 | a-stray-cat | since' 2.0 ;P |
| 00:31.51 | NightHawkTheSane | but it's like tier 1 |
| 00:31.55 | Amadeo | that's lame! blame NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:31.56 | NightHawkTheSane | so any idiot can pick it up |
| 00:31.58 | *** join/#wowace gerber^azazoth|h (n=schlort@cpe-70-115-165-126.rgv.res.rr.com) |
| 00:32.09 | a-stray-cat | im bm/survival for 2v2 arena ;P |
| 00:32.14 | a-stray-cat | 41/0/20 woo |
| 00:32.30 | Amadeo | Anyone spec high survival anymore? |
| 00:32.44 | hyperChipmunk | i'm 11/0/50 |
| 00:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | I once saw a hunter with 31 in survival. |
| 00:32.56 | Amadeo | hyperChipmunk: You don't count though, you just bark commands! |
| 00:33.00 | a-stray-cat | high survival sucks :/ |
| 00:33.02 | hyperChipmunk | i do arena |
| 00:33.08 | hyperChipmunk | i'm a friggin beast |
| 00:33.12 | hyperChipmunk | my damage sux, but that's okay |
| 00:33.22 | hyperChipmunk | it takes 10 minutes to kill me |
| 00:33.22 | Amadeo | what happens after the Entrapment nerf? |
| 00:33.36 | a-stray-cat | i dont see why you'd go above 21 in survival |
| 00:33.48 | Amadeo | a-stray-cat: He has like 15,000 HP :P |
| 00:34.02 | a-stray-cat | i've the same with 41/0/20 ;P |
| 00:34.23 | CIA-23 | 03fenlis * r35381 10Chronometer/Core/Chronometer-Locale.lua: |
| 00:34.23 | CIA-23 | Chronometer: |
| 00:34.23 | CIA-23 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 00:35.02 | hyperChipmunk | i have 15000 hp and am impossible to hit |
| 00:35.08 | hyperChipmunk | that's the diff |
| 00:35.27 | Industrial | Tips for new anime's welcome :D! koen.it/~tom/anime |
| 00:35.30 | a-stray-cat | what do you have that makes you impossible to kill |
| 00:35.32 | hyperChipmunk | high survival can make you disgustingly unhittable |
| 00:35.41 | a-stray-cat | LR? |
| 00:36.01 | hyperChipmunk | LR and deterrence with readiness |
| 00:36.20 | a-stray-cat | but BM hunters have deterrence with big red |
| 00:36.32 | a-stray-cat | +dodge skills |
| 00:36.40 | a-stray-cat | i assume you don't get the extra parry for arena? |
| 00:36.45 | CIA-23 | 03funkydude * r35382 10Cartographer/Cartographer_InstanceMaps/Data.lua: Cartographer_InstanceMaps: Rotate Hyjal Map |
| 00:37.00 | hyperChipmunk | that's what the 11 in BM get me |
| 00:37.12 | a-stray-cat | you can get 3% more at the top :X |
| 00:37.24 | hyperChipmunk | yea, but not worth all that other stuff |
| 00:37.32 | a-stray-cat | not worth big red? :O |
| 00:37.59 | hyperChipmunk | that's teh dumbest skill ever |
| 00:38.11 | a-stray-cat | in 2v2 its teh win ;P |
| 00:38.25 | hyperChipmunk | i've never had trouble with bm hunters |
| 00:38.45 | hyperChipmunk | you just fd and shadowmeld |
| 00:38.50 | Amadeo | You two should fight it out on PTR |
| 00:38.55 | a-stray-cat | lol lets go! |
| 00:38.57 | a-stray-cat | im bored to hell |
| 00:39.10 | hyperChipmunk | and by the time they pick you up, it's already over |
| 00:39.16 | a-stray-cat | i'd have to see mr. mcweaksauce first though |
| 00:39.19 | a-stray-cat | for money :< |
| 00:39.23 | Industrial | and link me the actual builds so i know whats being talked about |
| 00:39.25 | Industrial | :P |
| 00:39.54 | ckknight | imho, there should be more relations between servers. We have cross-server battlegrounds, why can't we have cross-server instances? |
| 00:40.18 | Amadeo | ckknight: That would be interesting actually |
| 00:40.27 | Amadeo | Instead of using LFG, just zone into an instance |
| 00:40.28 | Seerah_ | You know what's needed? [Booster Seat] http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/Seerah/Elemaphant1.jpg |
| 00:40.29 | Stephmw | the loot becomes a bit of a contentious issue |
| 00:40.31 | Amadeo | get put into a group queue and it makes it up |
| 00:40.31 | Industrial | how about.. everything on one server =D wouldnt dare enter IF/ORG lol |
| 00:40.47 | hyperChipmunk | yea, loot would be interesting |
| 00:40.48 | Amadeo | that would rock actually :) |
| 00:40.53 | ckknight | and being able to enter duels against specific other people |
| 00:40.54 | hyperChipmunk | would end the concept of Server First |
| 00:40.55 | ckknight | that'd be cool |
| 00:41.01 | hyperChipmunk | which may or may not be desirable |
| 00:41.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: no, it wouldn't. the existing system is -terrible- for forming good groups |
| 00:41.07 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.16 | a-stray-cat | heh, that'd be hot |
| 00:41.21 | Industrial | well I like the system that runescape uses. accounts are not tied to servers. you can log in until the server is full and then you pick another. anyone can go anywhere. |
| 00:41.29 | ckknight | then it transports you to an arena |
| 00:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Cross-server instances would be neat, but to hell with auto-grouping |
| 00:41.41 | Amadeo | NightHawkTheSane: They could tweak it a bit, maybe let someone define the classes they want and level range, and it would automatically form a group |
| 00:41.51 | ckknight | Industrial: what about characters, they tied to servers? |
| 00:41.55 | a-stray-cat | bm vs. other hunter spec in arena is lopsided |
| 00:42.01 | a-stray-cat | since bm can do better at the magic of LOS |
| 00:42.13 | Industrial | ckknight: no |
| 00:42.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: its more or less much better to let a user define what they want to do, and let groups pick from there, really |
| 00:42.21 | ckknight | Industrial: I like that. |
| 00:42.24 | Industrial | ckknight: me too |
| 00:42.38 | Amadeo | NightHawkTheSane: I really dislike the current LFG system, I find that it's much harder to get a good group going than just using the old channel |
| 00:42.52 | Amadeo | and if they had cross-server grouping for normal instances, that would be sweet |
| 00:43.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: well, yeah, but the existing LFG system is very limited, and rather poor |
| 00:43.12 | *** part/#wowace Wogroipl_ (n=Wogroipl@c529c7a0e.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 00:43.23 | Amadeo | in fact |
| 00:43.26 | NightHawkTheSane | YOu can only define 3 instances you want to do. As opposed to unlimited or "Whatever works, i just want a group to do something" |
| 00:43.35 | Amadeo | most times if I form a PUG group, the PUG can't do the instance anyway, so I can't see how it could get any worse :P |
| 00:43.40 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: that is lame. |
| 00:43.52 | Amadeo | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, it sucks |
| 00:44.05 | NightHawkTheSane | And, as noted, their auto-group forming system is -terrible- |
| 00:44.07 | Amadeo | Don't they also limit which LFG channels you can be in based on your level? |
| 00:44.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: yes |
| 00:44.24 | Amadeo | that also sucks |
| 00:44.41 | Bruners | its totally crap |
| 00:44.49 | NightHawkTheSane | They also limit who can be summoned with the meeting stones. So it's a pain in the ass to run people through low level instancesc |
| 00:45.35 | *** join/#wowace nadas (n=nadas@160.153.72.80.cirque.dk) |
| 00:45.51 | Industrial | even sharing of xp in groups wins :P |
| 00:46.05 | Roartindon | on my server, a group of people all join lfg channel, to simulate the old looking for group |
| 00:46.18 | Industrial | in my server they spam trade |
| 00:46.19 | Roartindon | And they use that, in preference to the in-game group finding sstem |
| 00:46.25 | Roartindon | trade only works in cities tho |
| 00:46.25 | kergoth | would be nice if the lfg system accounted for talent spec, not just class |
| 00:46.40 | Bruners | kergoth: you can add comments |
| 00:47.04 | Amadeo | I just imagine something like this...an ungrouped player zones into a normal non-raid instance and a window pops up asking what parameters the player wants to set for the group...choose the classes desired and level range, and then it would search the others in queue and form a cross-server group based on it |
| 00:47.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Bruners: that doesn't influence the auto-join system though |
| 00:47.50 | Bruners | true |
| 00:48.10 | Bruners | but i allways uncheck the autojoin thingie |
| 00:48.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Auto-join also dosen't account for any CC capability. It'll happily form a warrior/shaman/shaman/priest/druid group :P |
| 00:48.30 | NightHawkTheSane | me too |
| 00:49.01 | Amadeo | Cross-server instancing could also solve server population issues |
| 00:49.23 | Bruners | but think about the loot drama |
| 00:49.28 | Bruners | and the lagg |
| 00:49.43 | Amadeo | The lag should be ok, they already do it for Arenas/BGs |
| 00:49.59 | Amadeo | I doubt any loot drama for normal instances |
| 00:50.02 | Bruners | its just 5 server or so? |
| 00:50.42 | Bruners | i guess it could work |
| 00:52.06 | NightHawkTheSane | The only difficult part about it is forming the groups, everything else is no more logistically difficult than battlegrounds |
| 00:52.36 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35383 10Quartz/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:52.36 | CIA-23 | Quartz: Mirror: |
| 00:52.36 | CIA-23 | - Added a bar for arena/bg start. |
| 00:53.42 | Amadeo | yeah, forming of groups could use some thought |
| 00:54.09 | Amadeo | all I described was a leader idea, so what about people who just want to join a group? |
| 00:55.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, i dont like the idea of forcing a user to zone in to access the interface. I want to queue up for an instance from where i'm grinding three zones away :P It'd be as simple as checking a box flagging you as LFG, then you can add restrictions on what you want to do (which instances, quests, whatever) |
| 00:57.13 | Bruners | are they fixing that netherwing dragonquest in this patch? |
| 00:57.22 | Bruners | ie making it easyer to speak to him |
| 00:57.25 | NightHawkTheSane | "fixing"? |
| 00:57.31 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, lol, its not that hard |
| 00:57.48 | Bruners | for people that dont know how to do it, it is |
| 00:58.04 | CIA-23 | 03morgalm * r35384 10MorgBid/MorgBid.lua: |
| 00:58.04 | CIA-23 | MorgBid: |
| 00:58.04 | CIA-23 | - test commit |
| 00:58.11 | Bruners | and with epic flyer its not easy to adjust |
| 00:58.15 | Lyfe | does anyone know offhand if the directions for using Ace2 to create some sort of gui are the same as the ones on the wiki (whihc appears to be out of date to my newbie eyes) |
| 00:58.36 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i never had a problem *shrug* the harder part was freaking finding him :P |
| 00:58.38 | CIA-23 | 03morgalm * r35385 10MorgDKP/MorgDKP.lua: |
| 00:58.38 | CIA-23 | MorgDKP: |
| 00:58.38 | CIA-23 | - test commit |
| 00:59.07 | hyperChipmunk | Lyfe: look at tablet, dewdrop, and waterfall |
| 00:59.18 | Lyfe | ok, thanks. |
| 01:04.09 | NightHawkTheSane | hyperChipmunk: you're a hunter, right? is there any change to pet attack speeds next patch? |
| 01:04.27 | Amadeo | I wish they left pet uniquity in, that's what made me want to try a Hunter...but now it's blah :( |
| 01:04.53 | Bruners | i wish they made hunter pets like warlock pets |
| 01:05.22 | hyperChipmunk | NightHawkTheSane: cobra rexlexes goin' in |
| 01:05.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh, okay. |
| 01:05.41 | Amadeo | Bruners: I don't think you'd like that |
| 01:05.53 | Funkeh` | nymbia: - Added a bar for arena/bg start, isn't that taking it a bit too far? |
| 01:06.07 | Amadeo | Maybe the Felguard, but not the others |
| 01:06.22 | Bruners | Amadeo: thinking the way of having all your pets with you |
| 01:06.38 | Bruners | Amadeo: and "summon" them instead of using that stupid stable master |
| 01:06.47 | Amadeo | I guess it's nice for when you have time to plan it |
| 01:07.18 | Stephmw | Bruners: but that would mean hunters would need to give up bagspace that could be used for loot |
| 01:07.55 | Megalon | [Portable stable] |
| 01:07.56 | Megalon | :x |
| 01:08.17 | Megalon | or an infaltable one :P |
| 01:08.23 | Bruners | Stephmw: 3 bag slots is not that bad |
| 01:08.23 | a-stray-cat | that'd be hot |
| 01:08.37 | a-stray-cat | i always end up in karazhan with my pvp pet |
| 01:08.37 | nymbia | Funkeh`: /shrug. it's one extra quick-and-tiny event handler, i can see people wanting that but not wanting a full-on pvp timers addon |
| 01:08.39 | Bruners | i could just remove some of my minions |
| 01:08.40 | *** join/#wowace Unrealii (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 01:08.41 | Stephmw | Bruners: that's 3 blues/epics that poor hunter can't carry away |
| 01:08.45 | sylvanaar | anyone see anything wrong with doing this: http://ace.pastey.net/29429 |
| 01:08.55 | Stephmw | Bruners: think of the children! |
| 01:09.01 | Bruners | Stephmw: i allways tend to have 20 slots free anyway :) |
| 01:09.12 | a-stray-cat | steph: you underestimate hunters. |
| 01:09.19 | a-stray-cat | if it comes to that, they'll destroy all their arrows |
| 01:09.23 | a-stray-cat | and throw an empty bag in teh quiver slot! |
| 01:09.26 | Amadeo | Steph is my ex's name |
| 01:09.28 | Funkeh` | nymbia: its highly doubtfull people would want something like that and choose quartz over capping, imo a bit of a waste |
| 01:09.33 | theoddone33 | heh, I just read that every US team that made the regionals got disqualified except for 2 teams |
| 01:09.39 | theoddone33 | arena teams |
| 01:09.45 | Amadeo | why? |
| 01:09.46 | Funkeh` | nymbia: its nice to have little things like rez timers etc but don't take it too far :/ |
| 01:09.48 | a-stray-cat | Amadeo: :x |
| 01:10.00 | Amadeo | a-stray-cat: haha |
| 01:10.04 | Stephmw | Amadeo: let's not talk about old times - or I'll have to bring out the micrometer and show everyone how you measure up |
| 01:10.05 | theoddone33 | because if the name on your account doesn't match your real name for a plane ticket they disqualified you |
| 01:10.33 | Bruners | Stephmw: that was a good idea really, having an empty bag |
| 01:10.37 | Amadeo | Stephmw: That's ok, I'm pretty confident in that regard :) |
| 01:10.56 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: ... it doesn't set arg1,2,3,4 etc globals back before calling self.hooks ? |
| 01:11.05 | a-stray-cat | theoddone33: what if it's your parents account? :X |
| 01:11.10 | theoddone33 | dunno |
| 01:11.22 | Amadeo | theoddone33: That makes no sense |
| 01:11.31 | Bruners | i hope they add bigger and better quivers really |
| 01:11.31 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: hmm.. not that it needs to I guess |
| 01:11.34 | theoddone33 | just what I heard |
| 01:11.42 | theoddone33 | from some guys in the regionals |
| 01:11.54 | Funkeh` | nymbia: just going wiht the kiss rythim there |
| 01:12.10 | Amadeo | My ex and I played WoW, I put it on her card and paid her for it |
| 01:12.15 | Amadeo | so I'd be disqualified I guess :P |
| 01:12.31 | a-stray-cat | my sisters account is under my name |
| 01:12.43 | Gngsk | is there a neutral inn in shattrath where I can set my hearth? other than scryer/aldor |
| 01:12.43 | a-stray-cat | which reminds me i need to collect fees from her >:o |
| 01:12.45 | nymbia | Funkeh`: huhwha? |
| 01:12.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Gngsk: no |
| 01:13.12 | Funkeh` | nymbia: keep it simple stupid! |
| 01:13.27 | Amadeo | a-stray-cat: Me too ;) |
| 01:13.30 | Gngsk | how unfortunate |
| 01:13.54 | nymbia | Funkeh`: okay, timers for everything in the game inc |
| 01:14.06 | Amadeo | haha |
| 01:14.12 | Funkeh` | nymbia: >> |
| 01:14.19 | a-stray-cat | i was trying to do that, for my mod :X |
| 01:14.22 | Amadeo | brb |
| 01:14.24 | *** part/#wowace Amadeo (n=amadeo@c-68-50-168-95.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 01:14.40 | Funkeh` | nymbia: its a nice mod, im just saying don't bloat it, or make that shit external |
| 01:14.47 | Funkeh` | borg mods ftl |
| 01:15.15 | nymbia | Funkeh`: i'm planning on doing LoD splitting |
| 01:16.04 | nymbia | Funkeh`: and i suppose i should make those esoteric timers in mirror optional ;) |
| 01:16.37 | *** join/#wowace Unrealii (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 01:16.57 | Funkeh` | well as long as its not loading i don't care, just add the lod stuff sonner than later :p |
| 01:17.07 | nymbia | ;) |
| 01:20.12 | *** join/#wowace abyssichate (n=aby@81-174-21-35.f5.ngi.it) |
| 01:22.42 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r35386 10DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0.lua: DogTag-1.0 - for Status, fix Soulstone. Add Feigned Death capability. |
| 01:27.24 | harldephin | it would be great if Fence_AutoFill could save data based upon servers |
| 01:28.11 | sylvanaar | Roartindon you are rignt it doesnt, but the event itself uses locals, so i figured that was enough |
| 01:29.28 | Roartindon | Q for magtheridon guilds: Do you get warlocks to dps down the first channeler asap, or dot up all of them? |
| 01:30.12 | Bruners | think our warlocks just mostly handle with the infernals |
| 01:30.21 | Roartindon | yeah, but before the first ones spawn? |
| 01:30.35 | Bruners | they do some dmg on the first yes |
| 01:30.35 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, is there a way to set strata for Baggins bags? |
| 01:30.56 | Bruners | why shouldnt they ?:) |
| 01:31.07 | Roartindon | Bruners: Well, do they dot up 5, or do they dps one? |
| 01:31.16 | Bruners | dps one |
| 01:31.46 | Bruners | but im not 100% sure |
| 01:32.43 | chutwig | Roartindon: we dps in between watching infernals |
| 01:32.52 | chutwig | you have to have the locks dps or you won't meet the dps targets |
| 01:33.01 | Roartindon | chutwig: Yeah, we met the dps targets fine |
| 01:33.04 | Roartindon | 4 dead before he released |
| 01:33.10 | Roartindon | Just trying to figure out if we can get closer to 5 dead :) |
| 01:33.15 | Aenslaed | Roartindon: we have warlocks on infernal duty full time. |
| 01:33.32 | Aenslaed | Roartindon: they aren't expected to contribute any dps at all for phase 1 mag |
| 01:33.38 | Bruners | its kinda hard being a warlock on that fight :) |
| 01:33.47 | Roartindon | Our warlocks single target dpssed the first add until infernals came along |
| 01:33.52 | Roartindon | Then they went onto cc duty |
| 01:34.06 | Aenslaed | Roartindon: yeah, our locks just play zone d |
| 01:34.19 | Aenslaed | but if you are having problems with the adds, you might need to bring a shaman or two |
| 01:34.26 | Aenslaed | err, the 5 channelers |
| 01:34.39 | Roartindon | We have more problems with our guild's overall connection stability |
| 01:34.50 | Roartindon | Out of 25 people, I don't think more than 15 stayed connected for the entire night without some problem |
| 01:34.50 | Aenslaed | pop heroism on the 2nd channeller. Have the tanks bring them to you |
| 01:35.15 | Aenslaed | the dps should not have to move more than 20 yards for the first 4 channelers |
| 01:35.17 | Roartindon | We're going fine.. then bam.. someone doesn't click teh box because they're DCed |
| 01:35.31 | Roartindon | and then we get blast novaed to death |
| 01:37.30 | Roartindon | oh well, we'll try again next week |
| 01:37.37 | Roartindon | We spent a few hours in there yesterday |
| 01:37.50 | Roartindon | then decided to just whack kazzak and call it a night |
| 01:38.02 | NimbleRabit | Hey roartindon, can you help me get Aloft to work with mobhealth to show health |
| 01:38.30 | Roartindon | NimbleRabit: What is there to help with? Install MobHealth from wowace, then select health text options in aloft........ |
| 01:43.27 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r35387 10PratPlugin-1.0/PratPlugin-1.0/PratPlugin-1.0.lua: PratPlugin-1.0: Updated to support the .CHATTYPE field. I left another copy in its old location for now. |
| 01:43.48 | *** join/#wowace Thrae (i=generalm@c-68-49-121-236.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 01:44.40 | sylvanaar | <- failed to click the box |
| 01:47.23 | sylvanaar | this wont be a tail call right: return ("(%s) %s <|cffc0c0ff%s|r>:|cffa0a0a0[%06d]|r"):format( self.debugstr, self.pratstr, tostring(self), (GetTime() - timestart)) |
| 01:47.46 | sylvanaar | because of GetTime()-timestart |
| 01:47.59 | Bruners | what is the "normal" shadow dmg on warlocks now? |
| 01:48.01 | Bruners | around 1000 ? |
| 01:48.19 | Roartindon | it's a tailcall sylv |
| 01:48.42 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: http://ace.pastey.net/29454 |
| 01:50.20 | kergoth | sylvanaar: the GetTime() - timestart is processed -before the call to format, not after, so it doesnt prevent a tailcall. |
| 01:51.28 | Roartindon | bruners: most of our guild warlocks are pushing 1200+ shadow damage |
| 01:52.32 | CIA-23 | 03nymbia * r35388 10Quartz/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 01:52.32 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 01:52.32 | CIA-23 | - Add options to disable the different groups of timers. |
| 01:52.53 | sylvanaar | yeah, ok, i got it |
| 01:53.10 | Gokie | for Mag, what we do is have most of the warlocks DPS the channelers 1 by 1 along with the rest of the raid until infernals appear |
| 01:53.28 | Gokie | and one (usually me, since I don't trust most others to do it) be on making sure all the channelers are CoTed at all times |
| 01:54.03 | Funkeh` | sylvanaar: fyi, the preferences menu in WAU is sitll listed as WinAceUpdater :p |
| 01:54.11 | sylvanaar | Roartindon is that just luac? |
| 01:54.19 | Roartindon | sylvanaar: yeah |
| 01:54.19 | Roartindon | luac -l -p |
| 01:55.55 | chutwig | i hate taking new people to aran |
| 01:56.07 | chutwig | at least it gives me an excuse to play the aran chant over vent when they inevitably fuck up |
| 01:56.50 | sylvanaar | Funkeh` 1.7 was end-of-lifecycle even when i started it, because PProvost had 2.0 in the works. I was just trying to enhance it so it'd work better, i doubt i'll make any more changes to it. |
| 01:57.03 | Funkeh` | alright |
| 02:00.49 | Roartindon | how many growths do most guilds get gruul in nowadays? |
| 02:01.01 | Aenslaed | Ours in about 11 |
| 02:01.03 | Roartindon | assuming he's not bugged :) |
| 02:01.39 | Aenslaed | Its kinda sad how maulgar is harder than gruul now |
| 02:02.07 | Roartindon | Aenslaed: We never tried gruul until after he was nerfed, and got him on 3rd pull |
| 02:02.16 | Aenslaed | heh |
| 02:02.20 | Roartindon | But we've consistently one-shot both of them every week since, two shot at worst |
| 02:02.28 | Roartindon | The first gruul pull was funny |
| 02:02.34 | Roartindon | The first shatter, half the raid died |
| 02:02.38 | Aenslaed | we bashed our heads vs him and killed him two weeks before nerf |
| 02:02.48 | Aenslaed | wow that was not fun |
| 02:02.57 | *** join/#wowace Heri1 (n=Kevin@ekm-s-217-31.resnet.CSUChico.EDU) |
| 02:03.03 | Roartindon | Aenslaed: Kudos to you, that would have been tough |
| 02:03.14 | Heri1 | "assert" a LUA function? :O |
| 02:03.36 | Aenslaed | not a matter of tough, its about how retarded it was |
| 02:03.36 | Roartindon | Heri1: yes |
| 02:03.58 | Aenslaed | Roartindon: getting hit by another person 20 yards away from you still resulted in hitting each other for 4k |
| 02:04.08 | Aenslaed | which would hit for about 1k now |
| 02:04.22 | Roartindon | Aenslaed: I think it's too easy now |
| 02:04.24 | Roartindon | Somewhere in between probably would be right |
| 02:04.25 | Aenslaed | naw, its totally fine |
| 02:04.33 | Aenslaed | its easier than onyxia, but who cares~ |
| 02:04.47 | Roartindon | Gruul is easier than illhoof for us :) |
| 02:05.04 | Heri1 | illhoof is a noob and his trash is gear |
| 02:05.04 | Heri1 | err |
| 02:05.14 | Roartindon | Heri1: All of our druids still want his staff |
| 02:05.16 | NimbleRabit | it's not supposed to be way harder than karazahn |
| 02:05.18 | NimbleRabit | just to require more people |
| 02:05.19 | Heri1 | s/trash is gear/gear is trash/ |
| 02:05.19 | Roartindon | Just because it looks badass : ) |
| 02:05.28 | CIA-23 | 03fenlis * r35389 10Quartz/locale/Quartz-koKR.lua: |
| 02:05.28 | CIA-23 | Quartz: |
| 02:05.28 | CIA-23 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 02:05.37 | Aenslaed | Roartindon: its only t4 legs so there's no big deal if alot of guilds can kill it. If anything, its better that way. |
| 02:05.41 | Heri1 | Roartindon: that's pretty much all there is to get =/ |
| 02:06.16 | Roartindon | Heri1: I haven't looked at his loot table 2.1... I should check it out |
| 02:06.16 | Heri1 | the lightening thing is nice FOR illhoof |
| 02:06.17 | Heri1 | I haven't either =/ |
| 02:06.26 | Heri1 | but I know the cloth belt is still trash compared to ruination=/ |
| 02:06.30 | Roartindon | do most guilds take 25 people, or 40 to kill kazzak/outdoor world bosses? |
| 02:06.41 | Aenslaed | Its a little better. THe capacitor got buffed. Its still worse than it was pre-nerf though |
| 02:06.56 | Aenslaed | 40 |
| 02:06.58 | vodrin | 25-30 is what we have on |
| 02:06.58 | Aenslaed | no reason not to really |
| 02:07.09 | vodrin | basically what we have priests/druids to cover |
| 02:07.27 | Herio | I don't think we can field that many people for a schuled raid much less an impromtu one |
| 02:07.27 | Aenslaed | kazzak is still the same kazzak. DPS fight all the way through. Doomwalker is just do you have 10 tanks |
| 02:07.52 | Roartindon | heh, I couldn't believe we survived 2nd enrage last night |
| 02:07.52 | Roartindon | with 2 priests in the raid |
| 02:07.52 | vodrin | lol |
| 02:07.57 | Aenslaed | we just have a mutual thing going with another guild on our server. Loot is randomed for. |
| 02:10.20 | Roartindon | sad that crafted epics like Spellstrike and Girdle of Ruination still are better in most cases than kara loot |
| 02:10.29 | ckknight | ipx |
| 02:10.34 | ckknight | epix* |
| 02:10.40 | kenlyric | why is that sad? |
| 02:10.52 | Roartindon | the whole effort vs reward thing |
| 02:11.01 | Roartindon | It's so easy to get spellstrike crafted |
| 02:11.01 | Herio | most of the crafted gear is easy enough to get, too |
| 02:11.16 | Bruners | kara is like UBRS |
| 02:11.29 | poptix | is there any way to regain the functionality of TargetByName() with the exactmatch bit set? |
| 02:11.31 | kenlyric | dunno, I have more epics than our crafters. |
| 02:11.31 | Herio | not that karazhan isn't a push over for any competant raid with a capable schedule |
| 02:11.57 | Herio | well your epics are SHITE |
| 02:12.25 | sylvanaar | does anyone know of an addon you can set for ##LoadsWith: that would make something always load |
| 02:12.26 | Herio | ! |
| 02:12.48 | Jagobah | HEY SUPER |
| 02:12.55 | Jagobah | AKA Aenslaed |
| 02:14.43 | Aenslaed | ? |
| 02:15.32 | Jagobah | DId you try out the Quartz mod yet |
| 02:15.43 | Aenslaed | yes |
| 02:15.49 | Jagobah | what are your thoughts! |
| 02:15.55 | Herio | perl, Quartz is AMAZING! |
| 02:16.16 | Jagobah | It is so amazing it shall from now on be bolded as such |
| 02:16.58 | Xuerian | sylvanaar: 0_o.. What are you trying to do, make a LoD addon that loads without demand? :p |
| 02:21.43 | CIA-23 | 03funkydude * r35390 10BigWigs/TheEye/Kaelthas.lua: |
| 02:21.43 | CIA-23 | BigWigs: TheEye/Kaelthas: |
| 02:21.43 | CIA-23 | - attempt at fixing gaze on 4 wackyness |
| 02:21.43 | CIA-23 | - make icon optional |
| 02:23.14 | sylvanaar | Xuerian yes |
| 02:23.51 | NightHawkTheSane | It's lod, but not -your- demand! |
| 02:23.58 | sylvanaar | Xuerian there is a big difference between a LoD addon and a non LoD addon |
| 02:25.04 | sylvanaar | that would eliminate the big difference |
| 02:25.07 | sylvanaar | you could still disable it |
| 02:25.07 | sylvanaar | but if you wanted to load it, you just enable/load in game no reload-ui |
| 02:25.07 | Xuerian | sylvanaar: Isn't that something of a oxymoron, though? >.> |
| 02:25.08 | sylvanaar | please think through the problem |
| 02:25.08 | Xuerian | Oh, I wasn't addressing the problem. Just the words :D |
| 02:25.08 | *** part/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@ekm-s-217-31.resnet.CSUChico.EDU) |
| 02:25.34 | Xuerian | Anyway. How are you supposed to load it in game anyway? |
| 02:25.43 | sylvanaar | enableaddon, loadaddon |
| 02:25.46 | sylvanaar | it loads |
| 02:26.05 | Xuerian | So, if you're only going to enable it on demand via those functions, why does it have to loadwith something? 0.o |
| 02:26.05 | sylvanaar | only if its labeled LoD |
| 02:26.15 | harldephin | what.. like "load without demand" equaling "not loading on demand".. that's not the same |
| 02:26.43 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: I'm still confused about what problem you're trying to solve |
| 02:26.46 | cladhaire | to say the least |
| 02:27.32 | sylvanaar | issue: standard addons cannot be loaded if they were disabled without a reload ui |
| 02:28.05 | cladhaire | you cannot EnableAddOn() then LoadAddOn()? |
| 02:28.21 | poptix | nope |
| 02:28.21 | sylvanaar | no |
| 02:28.22 | sylvanaar | only LoFD |
| 02:28.22 | cladhaire | why not ask slouken to fix that issue rather than design elaborate schemes to solve the problem? |
| 02:28.25 | cladhaire | oh |
| 02:28.26 | cladhaire | well |
| 02:28.28 | cladhaire | that makes sense. |
| 02:28.29 | cladhaire | by design |
| 02:28.43 | sylvanaar | right |
| 02:28.47 | cladhaire | so why is that an issue? |
| 02:28.48 | poptix | cladhaire: because not all addons expect to be loading outside of a reloadui |
| 02:29.06 | cladhaire | yes, that's why I'm asking why its an issue |
| 02:29.15 | NimbleRabit | tomtom is the best addon evar! |
| 02:29.15 | poptix | i haven't figured out what his problem is yet =P |
| 02:29.24 | sylvanaar | because the only thing that not being LoD does for me is get me loaded |
| 02:30.15 | sylvanaar | I want to be able to be enabled/loaded without reloadui |
| 02:30.15 | CIA-23 | 03funkydude * r35391 10BigWigs/TheEye/Kaelthas.lua: BigWigs: TheEye/Kaelthas: add 1:35 adds revival bar & warning |
| 02:30.33 | cladhaire | then you need a LoD addon. |
| 02:30.33 | sylvanaar | but i want the be loaded at startup if enabled |
| 02:30.35 | cladhaire | whats your issue using them? |
| 02:30.44 | cladhaire | then use a stub? |
| 02:30.48 | Xuerian | Stub |
| 02:30.49 | sylvanaar | NO |
| 02:30.56 | cladhaire | or ask slouken to add some level of stateful ness to the system |
| 02:30.56 | cladhaire | why not? |
| 02:31.29 | sylvanaar | because stubs are really unnecessary |
| 02:31.29 | cladhaire | ... |
| 02:31.29 | cladhaire | except a.) they solve your problem and b.) they already exist |
| 02:31.29 | cladhaire | so i call bullshit :P |
| 02:31.29 | Xuerian | Necessity, in your case, is solving your problem :P |
| 02:31.32 | cladhaire | so again |
| 02:31.36 | cladhaire | i ask, whats your problem statement? |
| 02:31.54 | cladhaire | i'm really trying to understand, so I can think about it when I'm going to bed/at work |
| 02:32.19 | sylvanaar | I want my addon manager ACP to be able to be enabled if it was disabled without a reload ui |
| 02:32.35 | sylvanaar | but, it has to load by itself with NO OTHER ADDONS |
| 02:32.35 | sylvanaar | someimtes |
| 02:32.49 | cladhaire | how about peopel don't disable it. |
| 02:33.11 | cladhaire | considering its an addon manager, that doesn't seem unreasonable. |
| 02:33.20 | sylvanaar | it happens |
| 02:33.20 | NimbleRabit | But it's also not a solution |
| 02:33.41 | cladhaire | well, the hacks I've seen are even worse than what we have now. |
| 02:33.46 | cladhaire | to be completely hoenst |
| 02:33.51 | cladhaire | and not the way to go about solving the problem. |
| 02:34.11 | cladhaire | an addon that is not LoD cannot be loaded except at reload |
| 02:34.13 | cladhaire | that's not going to change |
| 02:34.22 | cladhaire | so whats the next step? |
| 02:34.43 | sylvanaar | gimme a LoadsWith: Client |
| 02:34.50 | poptix | sylvanaar: you can't protect idiots from their own stupidity |
| 02:34.54 | cladhaire | .... |
| 02:34.56 | cladhaire | what he said. |
| 02:35.01 | poptix | they'll have to log out to char select and click the little checkbox. |
| 02:35.08 | sylvanaar | no, it could have been purposeful |
| 02:35.26 | poptix | make your addon manager unable to disable itself =P |
| 02:35.31 | sylvanaar | it already is |
| 02:35.31 | Kaydeethree | each time we engineer idiot-proof solutions, the universe keeps tossing bigger idiots at us |
| 02:35.43 | NimbleRabit | So we keep trying |
| 02:35.43 | cladhaire | seriously, you're trying to solve a humanity problem with code |
| 02:35.48 | sylvanaar | no |
| 02:35.49 | poptix | sylvanaar: stop making the universe make bigger idiots |
| 02:35.57 | poptix | we have enough already |
| 02:35.59 | poptix | thanks |
| 02:36.01 | sylvanaar | this is a very useful thing |
| 02:36.08 | poptix | no it's not |
| 02:36.13 | cladhaire | i'm not convinced of that in the least |
| 02:36.26 | cladhaire | its no more useful than having it LoadsWith the talent ui and telling users to open the talent ui. |
| 02:36.28 | poptix | do you realize that if it's disabled on the AddOns screen, it can't be LoD either? |
| 02:36.44 | sylvanaar | it makes any addon able to be Enable/Loaded without reload ui, yet behave normally |
| 02:36.56 | cladhaire | sylvanaar: no it doesn't. |
| 02:36.59 | sylvanaar | poptix wrong |
| 02:37.07 | cladhaire | it makes a specific case work |
| 02:37.10 | poptix | booze > idiots |
| 02:37.37 | todd` | are there any bag mods that sort with filters other than ark and baggins |
| 02:37.51 | NimbleRabit | sanity |
| 02:37.55 | cladhaire | night all |
| 02:38.16 | sylvanaar | cladhaire yes it does |
| 02:39.28 | *** join/#wowace sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@205-196-182-22.static.cmts1.phonoscope.net) |
| 02:39.33 | *** join/#wowace MentalPower (i=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 02:40.37 | sylvanaar | anyhow, LoD = ability to be loaded at any time without reload ui |
| 02:41.16 | sylvanaar | separate concept from if you want it delay loaded or not |
| 02:41.16 | *** join/#wowace MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 02:41.58 | sylvanaar | if you think of the 2 concepts as 1 you will be confused |
| 02:45.19 | *** join/#wowace sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@205-196-182-22.static.cmts1.phonoscope.net) |
| 02:45.58 | *** join/#wowace Xuerian (n=core@wireless-216-222-129-181.citizip.com) |
| 02:46.50 | *** join/#wowace WobWork (n=WobWork@202-129-81-206.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 02:47.04 | WobWork | anyone around that can give me a hand in testing some webpage? |
| 02:48.45 | sylvanaar | did we just have a split, or what ? |
| 02:49.13 | todd` | [22:47:56] * sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@205-196-182-22.static.cmts1.phonoscope.net) Quit |
| 02:49.43 | todd` | why doesn't arkinventory use pt3 |
| 02:49.58 | Xuerian | WobWork: What help do you need? |
| 02:50.12 | WobWork | s'all good =) nm =) |
| 02:50.24 | Xuerian | Ok o.0 |
| 02:51.20 | sylvanaar | before that |
| 02:52.04 | todd` | [22:41:53] * sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@205-196-182-22.static.cmts1.phonoscope.net) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:52.34 | sylvanaar | yeah, thats what i figured |
| 02:53.22 | sylvanaar | portscanned |
| 02:59.33 | WobWork | ... Was Sparhawk taken? |
| 02:59.41 | WobWork | /who sparhawk |
| 02:59.45 | WobWork | bah, damn gaim |
| 02:59.58 | Xuerian | That's wow :p |
| 03:00.02 | Xuerian | */whois :D |
| 03:00.04 | WobWork | >< |
| 03:00.14 | WobWork | It's been a long day =) |
| 03:00.23 | Xuerian | :P |
| 03:00.23 | WobWork | ah |
| 03:00.28 | WobWork | so there is a sparhawk |
| 03:00.31 | WobWork | =( |
| 03:02.11 | *** join/#wowace ag` (n=ag`@0x535f749b.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 03:02.42 | sylvanaar | interesting, i didnt know that the blizzard downloaded worked with UPnP now |
| 03:02.52 | WobWork | about time =P |
| 03:03.03 | WobWork | welcome to bittorrent, Blizzard =P |
| 03:08.41 | *** join/#wowace Killmore (i=task@modemcable031.191-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 03:13.06 | chutwig | i love transmission because it works with upnp and nat-pmp |
| 03:17.10 | *** join/#wowace a-stray-cat (n=a-stray-@adsl-75-26-183-121.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:24.36 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r35392 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull_Aura - for buff/debuff sorting, show your own class's buffs/debuffs first. |
| 03:25.14 | chutwig | there's a bit of a problem with barfader |
| 03:25.34 | *** join/#wowace Guillotine (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 03:25.41 | chutwig | i enabled it for party and raid frames and immediately thereafter bugsack started filling up with errors about trying to index PowerBar |
| 03:26.11 | *** join/#wowace KarlThePagan (n=andross@66.225.8.145) |
| 03:31.31 | *** join/#wowace nymbia (n=nymbia@71-218-137-239.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 03:31.37 | *** join/#wowace Thrae_pam (n=spamrece@000-001-483.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 03:32.18 | WobWork | sigh |
| 03:32.23 | WobWork | I don't know what monitor I should get |
| 03:32.40 | WobWork | The rest is already $2,000 |
| 03:33.01 | hyperChipmunk | samsung 244t |
| 03:33.07 | WobWork | http://www.eyo.com.au/trolley.php?wishlist=7083 |
| 03:33.58 | WobWork | >, |
| 03:34.15 | NightHawkTheSane | --> http://tinyurl.com/yq2cd6 |
| 03:36.08 | a-stray-cat | does anyone know how to set your window to an arbitrary resolution? |
| 03:36.13 | a-stray-cat | is there a way using the console? |
| 03:36.21 | WobWork | hyperChipmunk: As shiny and pretty as that is |
| 03:36.24 | WobWork | I can't afford it =) |
| 03:36.30 | WobWork | at 1.5k alone =) |
| 03:37.36 | WobWork | and a 30" screen would... fall off my computer desk =) |
| 03:37.52 | WobWork | Thank you for the suggestion though, NightHawk =) |
| 03:38.09 | NightHawkTheSane | wobin: well, the base isn't 30" ;) |
| 03:38.33 | WobWork | It'll be like sitting in the front row at the movies =P |
| 03:38.40 | hyperChipmunk | it only cost me like 750 |
| 03:38.52 | hyperChipmunk | like 6mo ago |
| 03:39.03 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: exactly! Think how awesome movies would look on that! :D |
| 03:39.06 | NightHawkTheSane | let alone wow. |
| 03:39.16 | WobWork | My arms aren't long enough =( |
| 03:39.19 | Xuerian | WobWork: Look through newegg at 19" lcd's, find a good combination of good performance/cost, and get two of them (from that weird green site :P) |
| 03:39.28 | WobWork | hyperChipmunk: hm, could be just the price over here |
| 03:39.46 | WobWork | yeah, I already have ... a 19" I think it is |
| 03:39.46 | Xuerian | Dual monitors are ftw :\ |
| 03:39.51 | WobWork | but I totally agree |
| 03:39.55 | WobWork | dual monitors ftw |
| 03:40.07 | WobWork | hopefully we can get them in at work before the boss comes back =) |
| 03:40.15 | Gokie | a 24" 1920x1200 LCD is probably the sweet spot in terms of size/price |
| 03:40.18 | WobWork | cause omg, so cool |
| 03:40.27 | Xuerian | What do they run, Gokie? |
| 03:40.34 | Gokie | and yeah, once you get used to dual monitors, you can't go back |
| 03:40.46 | Thrae_pam | My main workstation is a dual monitor, my gaming system is 24" 1920x1200 |
| 03:40.54 | Gokie | uh, around $900-1000 depending on promotions, I think |
| 03:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | I dunno, i've switched on and off from dual monitors, to 2x cpus *shrug* |
| 03:41.08 | Thrae_pam | The only problem with Dual Monitors is that you'd need to disable SLI if you use that. |
| 03:41.09 | Gokie | Dell has deals on them fairly often |
| 03:41.21 | Xuerian | WobWork: If price is really a constraint, look for another nice 19" or 21" and just go dual |
| 03:41.22 | Thrae_pam | Dell is the best bet for greater then 19" monitors. |
| 03:41.26 | Xuerian | Thrae_pam: Or get a pci card |
| 03:41.34 | WobWork | hm, the difference in price between a 22 and a 24 is... half |
| 03:41.36 | WobWork | or more |
| 03:41.38 | Xuerian | Since odds are you won't be gaming on both :P |
| 03:41.49 | Gokie | well, the diff is more than just size along |
| 03:42.01 | Gokie | almost all the 22" are 1680x1080 resolution |
| 03:42.06 | Gokie | whereas 24" are 1920x1200 |
| 03:42.13 | Thrae_pam | Xuerian: That can confuse DirectX, and disables DRI in X.org |
| 03:42.26 | Xuerian | Thrae_pam: owch, that hurts |
| 03:43.07 | Xuerian | Then again, if he isn't using sli, it isn't a problem in the first place |
| 03:43.39 | Thrae_pam | Yeah, but it could still effect his FPS unless he -wants- to use two montiors (one for the game, one for the UI) |
| 03:44.09 | Thrae_pam | World of Warcraft has built-in dual monitor support, which may decrease FPS if enabled |
| 03:44.13 | Xuerian | WobWork: I hve one question, why the SD33P2? |
| 03:44.18 | Xuerian | er 37P2 |
| 03:44.58 | WobWork | It was recommended |
| 03:45.02 | Xuerian | seems you should be able to get a nice mobo around 300, and a top psu for 80... What's with the 700 on that, or am I missing something? |
| 03:45.10 | WobWork | cause I want a small box |
| 03:45.27 | Xuerian | Special form-factor mobo? |
| 03:45.30 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:45.36 | Xuerian | ew. v.v |
| 03:45.38 | WobWork | well the shuttle comes with the mobo |
| 03:46.13 | Thrae_pam | You're making a shuttle gaming machine? |
| 03:46.16 | *** join/#wowace Cartas (n=Cartas@host86-132-228-136.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 03:46.21 | WobWork | I could probably be convinced to go to a larger box, but there's not too much room =) |
| 03:46.31 | Xuerian | Room is for the weak |
| 03:46.36 | WobWork | Thrae_pam: There's an attempt at least =) |
| 03:47.10 | Thrae_pam | WobWork: Come on, I bet you can fit in a mid-tower. |
| 03:47.25 | WobWork | Probably |
| 03:47.28 | WobWork | any suggestions? |
| 03:47.28 | Xuerian | Yeah, at least a mid =| |
| 03:47.40 | WobWork | I've gone for so long without a desktop machine, I've lost all knowledge =) |
| 03:47.42 | Thrae_pam | Antec makes good mid-towers |
| 03:47.52 | Gokie | wow, I was way off... Dell's 2407 LCD is less than $600 now |
| 03:48.07 | Gokie | I see a new monitor in my near future ^^ |
| 03:48.20 | Thrae_pam | Heh, my 24" cost $1500 about 2 years ago |
| 03:48.44 | Thrae_pam | Dell had 'em for $200 cheaper at the time |
| 03:48.50 | Gokie | yeah, I have a 20" from Dell, was like $700 a year and a half ago |
| 03:49.19 | Xuerian | 19" CRT @ 700~ six years ago. ftw. |
| 03:49.50 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r35393 10DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0/DogTag-1.0.lua: DogTag-1.0 - remove the syntax [Tag?!Other], use [~Tag?Other] instead. Also, [Tag?Other!] won't work, just use [Tag?Other] |
| 03:50.13 | *** join/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@ekm-s-217-31.resnet.CSUChico.EDU) |
| 03:50.19 | Xuerian | WobWork: Shiny is good: http://www.eyo.com.au/prod_G-P180_proddesc_Antec_P180_Performance_One_Silver_ATX_Mid_Tower_-_NO_PSU_11_Drive_Bays_up_to_5_Configurable_Fans.html |
| 03:51.27 | Thrae_pam | WobWork: Are you EU or US? |
| 03:51.31 | WobWork | truly, that is shiny |
| 03:51.32 | WobWork | AU |
| 03:51.39 | Thrae_pam | Ahh, hence the .au website. |
| 03:51.42 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 03:51.50 | Gokie | the P180 is a really nice tower |
| 03:52.05 | WobWork | Hm, if I go that route, I'll need a mobo =) |
| 03:52.14 | Gokie | it's the first non-CoolerMaster non-SilverStone case I've considered in like 5 years =D |
| 03:52.37 | Thrae_pam | WobWork: http://www.ars-technica.com |
| 03:52.44 | Thrae_pam | They have system building guides there |
| 03:52.59 | WobWork | Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.ars-technica.com |
| 03:53.01 | WobWork | =( |
| 03:53.04 | Xuerian | http://arstechnica.com/index.ars |
| 03:53.08 | Xuerian | nuu dash. |
| 03:53.18 | WobWork | aha |
| 03:53.35 | Thrae_pam | www.ars-technica.com redirects to arstechnica.com, but anyway |
| 03:53.49 | Thrae_pam | Sounds like your AU DNS servers are being screwy |
| 03:54.00 | Xuerian | Didn't work for me, either |
| 03:54.17 | Thrae_pam | You silly non-US dezidens! |
| 03:54.31 | Xuerian | I'm a Verginian, dam yah |
| 03:54.46 | Thrae_pam | Oh, then you live about 30 minutes away from me. |
| 03:54.50 | Xuerian | :P |
| 03:57.45 | WobWork | Thrae obviously has a pipeline out the window and direct to the servers =) |
| 03:58.50 | Xuerian | WobWork: Another reason to not get a small case, your 8600GTS comes overclocked and runs hot |
| 03:59.01 | Xuerian | Whatever you get, make sure it has air circulation |
| 03:59.06 | sylvanaar | hrm, i cant build luac with NDEBUG - oh well who cares |
| 03:59.08 | Xuerian | lots thereof o.0 |
| 03:59.15 | Thrae_pam | Hence why shuttle PCs are not so good for gaming |
| 03:59.30 | *** join/#wowace vid`` (i=user@c-68-36-197-141.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 03:59.39 | WobWork | Hm |
| 03:59.54 | Xuerian | Add to that, the case comes with a economy psu |
| 04:00.08 | Xuerian | need to research what your card needs to run stable ontop of your other equipment :) |
| 04:00.08 | WobWork | 400W? |
| 04:01.23 | Xuerian | Haven't you heard, 700W is the new 400W? ... On a serious note, it isn't just the wattage, but voltage control and other nice little things that prevent Bad Things (tm) from happening. I'd imagine Ars covers that kind of stuff in more detail :D |
| 04:02.35 | sylvanaar | seriously watts are nothing without volts |
| 04:02.55 | Herio | VOLTS AREN'T ANYTHING WITHOUT AMPS! |
| 04:03.07 | Herio | nuff said |
| 04:03.24 | sylvanaar | missed one |
| 04:04.12 | Thrae_pam | Antec cases come with quality PSUs, which is why I like them. Coolmaster is good for big cases. |
| 04:04.34 | Herio | lian li imo |
| 04:07.52 | a-stray-cat | anyone here know about deformat? |
| 04:09.10 | Xuerian | a-stray-cat: What about it? |
| 04:09.26 | a-stray-cat | for its format strings |
| 04:09.42 | a-stray-cat | is it like string.format? or can you use regular expressions too? |
| 04:10.06 | Xuerian | If you want to match strings, use string.match or string.find. Only use deformat when you have a format string you need to apply to a string to get data out of, like blizzard constants (for combat, loot, etc) |
| 04:10.16 | a-stray-cat | right |
| 04:10.19 | WobWork | Herio: Nah, it's "Wo xihuan lian li" =) |
| 04:10.46 | a-stray-cat | can you use it to do what gsub does though? |
| 04:10.47 | Xuerian | It follows string.format's strings exactly, i believe, since the point is to reverse it |
| 04:10.57 | a-stray-cat | k |
| 04:11.33 | Xuerian | If you're replacing stuff in strings, use gsub |
| 04:11.36 | Xuerian | 0.o |
| 04:12.34 | a-stray-cat | errr |
| 04:12.39 | a-stray-cat | gfind |
| 04:12.40 | a-stray-cat | sorry |
| 04:12.46 | a-stray-cat | gmatch now? |
| 04:12.48 | Cryect | Hmmm, so I thought if you assign a table to a new variable it doesn't actually copy the variable but makes a reference? So why when I changed the reference do the changes not get reflected or am I misunderstanding something with references in Lua? |
| 04:12.59 | WobWork | what's a good brand name to fall behind in motherboards? |
| 04:13.13 | a-stray-cat | my gigabyte mobo is working pretty well |
| 04:13.16 | Roartindon | cryect: pastey example code |
| 04:13.23 | a-stray-cat | i tend to use asus/abit/gigabyte ;o |
| 04:13.34 | Gokie | Asus/Abit are good |
| 04:13.46 | Gokie | if you go for the new nVidia chipset boards |
| 04:14.04 | Gokie | then it doesn't really matter what brand |
| 04:14.06 | Xuerian | a-stray-cat: Yeah, it's gmatch, but if you're trying to do what it does, use it 0.o |
| 04:14.29 | WobWork | Gokie: How so? |
| 04:15.01 | CIA-23 | 03norova * r35394 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/ChatTabs.lua: Prat: update zhTW (ChatTabs.lua) |
| 04:15.02 | Gokie | they're almost all reference designs, and those are basically rebranded |
| 04:15.06 | Gokie | kinda like videocards |
| 04:15.06 | Cryect | Roartindon: http://ace.pastey.net/29533 (part of the function but enough of it since that part doesn't get set in the data either) |
| 04:15.11 | Thrae_pam | Asus is good for Intel or Nvidia-chipsets + Nvidia video card, MSI is good for AMD+ATI Video card |
| 04:15.29 | WobWork | I'd be going intel/nvidia |
| 04:15.40 | WobWork | since ATI + linux equals blergh |
| 04:15.55 | CIA-23 | 03funkydude * r35395 10PeriodicTable-3.0/ (6 files in 6 dirs): PeriodicTable-3.0: Item/Loot update |
| 04:15.56 | Funkeh` | later all |
| 04:15.59 | Xuerian | And those are the happy stories |
| 04:16.01 | Roartindon | Cryect: Will have a look.. this output tho is clarification of table stuff: http://ace.pastey.net/29536 |
| 04:16.01 | Xuerian | cya Funkeh` |
| 04:16.46 | sylvanaar | haha how do i pass stdin to luac? this makes no sense what im reading |
| 04:16.47 | Cryect | Roartindon: Yeah, thats what I'm expecting to happen but thats not what I'm seeing :-/ |
| 04:17.47 | Roartindon | umm.. |
| 04:17.49 | Roartindon | your problem is this |
| 04:17.53 | Roartindon | if type(sourceData.Attacks[ability])~="table" then |
| 04:17.54 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.14 | Roartindon | I'm guessing it is a table, so it's never updating |
| 04:19.01 | Roartindon | And if it isn't a table, the lines after it make no sense until a table is created |
| 04:19.03 | Cryect | heh its not a table or its not being saved |
| 04:19.13 | Cryect | its like it actually copied it |
| 04:19.16 | Cryect | instead of referenced it |
| 04:19.25 | Cryect | the variables it creates all work fine |
| 04:19.28 | sylvanaar | luac -o - -- - |
| 04:19.30 | sylvanaar | hahahahaha |
| 04:19.36 | Cryect | but the changes never get reflected in the original table :-/ |
| 04:19.44 | Xuerian | sylvanaar: What the fuu |
| 04:20.13 | sylvanaar | someone thought that was a good idea |
| 04:20.14 | Roartindon | Cryect: I think the mistake is if line 17 is true, then line 18 should throw an error |
| 04:20.22 | Roartindon | So if line 18 isn't throwing an error, line 17 must be false |
| 04:20.37 | Roartindon | which means that type(sourceData.Attacks[ability]) is "table" |
| 04:20.59 | Xuerian | And if it isn't a table, you can't set keys on it |
| 04:21.03 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 04:21.09 | Cryect | yeah I just added some debug code |
| 04:21.10 | Roartindon | Same logic for lines 24/25 |
| 04:21.16 | *** part/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@ekm-s-217-31.resnet.CSUChico.EDU) |
| 04:21.19 | Cryect | and every time I melee it keeps not finding it in the table :-p |
| 04:21.40 | Cryect | Oh I see whats wrong >_> |
| 04:21.48 | Cryect | sourceData.Attacks[ability]={} is missing |
| 04:21.52 | Roartindon | yes |
| 04:22.02 | Cryect | forgot to actually make it a table heh |
| 04:22.13 | Cryect | strange how it doesn't throw errors though |
| 04:22.19 | Roartindon | I'm surprised the lines didn't throw errors.. since you're setting keys on a non-table |
| 04:22.36 | Cryect | oh wait now it is sicne I added couple debug messages wtf |
| 04:22.41 | WobWork | it probably never hit that code |
| 04:23.02 | Roartindon | Or maybe bugsack was in ignore-bug mode for a bit :) |
| 04:23.07 | Cryect | Prolly |
| 04:23.24 | Cryect | Often what happens when I don't know something is triggering errors |
| 04:23.48 | *** join/#wowace _art3mis (n=art3mis@ool-18b9f13e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:24.52 | Cryect | alright works now, thanks for looking :) |
| 04:25.17 | Roartindon | np :) |
| 04:26.10 | Roartindon | recount is another damage meter addon? |
| 04:26.39 | Cryect | Yarr, since fed up with fixing recap and dislike the rest out there (lack of detailed information) |
| 04:26.55 | Roartindon | Cryect: Ahh... hopefully it'll be what I'm looking for :) |
| 04:27.01 | Roartindon | I haven't found one I'm happy with |
| 04:27.24 | Cryect | Basically going for something like Recap except even more data tracking and better analysis tools |
| 04:27.36 | Roartindon | Was very tempted to start one of my own because of it |
| 04:27.57 | Cryect | added a bunch of stuff to my own version of recap except I kept running into bugs from the version of recap I forked from |
| 04:28.05 | Roartindon | I want something that has minimal onscreen display most of the time.. violation/DMM style.. but detailed information if I want to know it |
| 04:28.10 | CIA-23 | 03norova * r35396 10SilverDragon/ (Defaults.zhTW.lua Locale.zhTW.lua SilverDragon.toc): SilverDragon: add zhTW |
| 04:28.30 | Cryect | And a lot of code really needed to be replaced so figure better to start over |
| 04:28.54 | Roartindon | oh, can I recommend you use some 'local' variables? |
| 04:29.01 | Cryect | haha |
| 04:29.01 | Roartindon | eg. line 11 should be local sourceData = ..... |
| 04:29.07 | Cryect | yeah it was local |
| 04:29.09 | Cryect | before |
| 04:29.16 | Cryect | then I changed it to global when trying to fix it :-p |
| 04:29.21 | Roartindon | okay :) |
| 04:29.26 | Cryect | thanks for reminding me forgot I did that |
| 04:32.14 | Roartindon | Cryect: using Parser-1.1, Parser-3.0, or something else? |
| 04:33.20 | Cryect | 1.1 I dislike 3.0 :-/ |
| 04:33.26 | Cryect | 3.0 doesn't track enough stuff |
| 04:33.45 | Roartindon | I was going to use 1.1 myself too |
| 04:34.06 | Roartindon | I couldn't figure out how to track simple stuff like player deaths in 3.0 |
| 04:34.13 | Cryect | I prefer the 1.1 implementations |
| 04:34.45 | Cryect | Yeah you can't track stuff like that you would think you should be able to |
| 04:35.05 | Cryect | what good is a parser library if it only parses half the stuff you need |
| 04:36.37 | Thrae_pam | Parser 3.0 isn't 100% rophy's project, it's an Ace2 implementation |
| 04:36.51 | Thrae_pam | Rophy still tries to improve 1.1 |
| 04:36.56 | Cryect | yep |
| 04:41.15 | Xuerian | Parser 3.0 is more ck's baby than rophy's |
| 04:47.02 | *** join/#wowace Kaelten (n=kaelten@c-69-181-47-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:47.04 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 05:00.58 | *** join/#wowace Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub) |
| 05:00.58 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 05:04.34 | *** join/#wowace Heri2 (n=Kevin@ekm-s-216-160.resnet.CSUChico.EDU) |
| 05:04.55 | Heri2 | \msg NickServ HI! |
| 05:04.58 | Heri2 | crap |
| 05:05.12 | sylvanaar | i cant access wowwikki, googlecache is so slow |
| 05:05.16 | TheKarn | next time use a \msg to auth. |
| 05:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | goddamn IE! |
| 05:06.46 | a-stray-cat | oof, running 3 clients at a time seems to have hit my cpu |
| 05:06.48 | a-stray-cat | 's limit :< |
| 05:08.19 | *** join/#wowace nuoHep (n=nuoHep@outer.test.e-larek.ru) |
| 05:09.26 | *** join/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@ekm-s-216-160.resnet.CSUChico.EDU) |
| 05:09.35 | Herio | yay |
| 05:09.52 | Herio | I now know how to recover and realease my nick with nickserv! =) |
| 05:09.54 | *** join/#wowace Azurewrath (i=Azurewra@i577BC158.versanet.de) |
| 05:11.01 | WobWork | http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1849765/1/ |
| 05:11.09 | WobWork | LotR/Discworld crossover fanfic |
| 05:11.14 | WobWork | It's surprisingly quite good =) |
| 05:11.20 | TheKarn | herio, /msg Nickserv GHOST <nick> <password> |
| 05:11.48 | *** part/#wowace WobWork (n=WobWork@202-129-81-206.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 05:11.56 | Herio | wait... what's that do? |
| 05:12.07 | Herio | what is a "ghosted nickname"? |
| 05:12.17 | Xuerian | What you leave behind if you're d/c'd |
| 05:12.24 | Herio | oic |
| 05:12.27 | Xuerian | Works about the same as release/recover |
| 05:12.30 | NightHawkTheSane | the ghost command basically just kills the nick, if you provide the p/w |
| 05:12.55 | Herio | ah |
| 05:13.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Technically, the nick doesnt have to be a true ghost i dont think. You could ghost an active nick if you had the password, I think |
| 05:13.17 | Herio | so rather then recovering and releasing you can kill it if it's a ghost =) |
| 05:13.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yep |
| 05:13.33 | NightHawkTheSane | If you're just going to /nick over to that anyway, its faster. |
| 05:13.35 | Herio | so it just compounds the two steps |
| 05:13.39 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 05:13.40 | NightHawkTheSane | well, not quite |
| 05:14.03 | NightHawkTheSane | the subtle difference is that recover will kill the nick, and lock that nickname, so no one can use it until you release it |
| 05:14.05 | Xuerian | wb, ck. |
| 05:14.08 | Herio | wait does using GHOST change your nick? |
| 05:14.14 | NightHawkTheSane | nope |
| 05:14.17 | Herio | oic |
| 05:14.24 | Herio | I get it now |
| 05:14.25 | Herio | cleaver |
| 05:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | you could ghost your nick, and someone could swiftly /nick over to that name if they wanted. probably wouldn't be smart, but they could. |
| 05:15.20 | Herio | if I inlined the commands they couldn't >.> |
| 05:15.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, probably. |
| 05:15.39 | TheKarn | if someone else did though you can just run the command again |
| 05:15.45 | NightHawkTheSane | exactly |
| 05:15.56 | ckknight | The main problem with Parser-3.0 is that I made it as a standalone project, not as a library for a real project of mine. |
| 05:15.58 | TheKarn | i wonder ... can you kill yourself? |
| 05:16.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yep |
| 05:16.19 | Herio | they could do the same if you were releasing it |
| 05:16.19 | TheKarn | [06:15] -NickServ- You cannot GHOST yourself. |
| 05:16.20 | TheKarn | shame |
| 05:16.25 | ckknight | I may write a floating combat frame thing as my next project, potentially |
| 05:16.25 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: okay, i guess not ;) |
| 05:16.49 | Xuerian | one "fcf" is enough curse upon the ui XD |
| 05:16.50 | thekarn2 | someone steal my nick |
| 05:16.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Herio: yeah, but its obvious when a nick is ghosted, there's a kill message from nickserv, there's no such notification when a nick is released, so presumably only you'd know |
| 05:17.05 | ckknight | thekarn2: I don't want you to kick me |
| 05:17.05 | NightHawkTheSane | no. :P |
| 05:17.16 | thekarn2 | but but ... you know you enjoy it ck |
| 05:17.35 | ckknight | sorry, no |
| 05:17.38 | ckknight | I like dealing punishment |
| 05:17.38 | ckknight | not taking it |
| 05:17.42 | Herio | ah |
| 05:17.42 | ckknight | I'm also a good healer. |
| 05:17.43 | thekarn2 | :( |
| 05:17.44 | Xuerian | kinky |
| 05:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, you could probably set nickserv to auto-boot anyone who uses your nick without id'ing in 30s |
| 05:17.52 | thekarn2 | ~emulate ckknight |
| 05:18.01 | purl | ACTION quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 05:18.19 | ckknight | yea, I had bad connection issues before. |
| 05:18.21 | Herio | ~emulate herio |
| 05:18.33 | Herio | =( |
| 05:18.37 | ckknight | I have a lot |
| 05:18.37 | Xuerian | ~xuerian |
| 05:18.41 | purl | ACTION lets out a Scrat-like scream and stabs something at random. |
| 05:18.41 | ckknight | ~emulate ckknight |
| 05:18.43 | purl | file a bug. |
| 05:18.43 | ckknight | ~ckknight |
| 05:18.46 | purl | pimpness. |
| 05:18.49 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:18.51 | ckknight | pimpness. |
| 05:18.59 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 05:20.43 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. Anyone happen to know a good method of displaying a php-generated image without using a separate file to generate/save it, and without using a data uri, because IE is lame and can't implement ten year old standards? |
| 05:20.49 | TheKarn | ~emulate thekarn |
| 05:20.51 | purl | i think i followed through... |
| 05:20.52 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 05:20.54 | purl | THE DIB! HE'S MISSING! THEY'VE TAKEN HIM AND DRAINED HIM OF HIS _sweet sweet blood candies_ |
| 05:21.37 | Herio | NightHawk: I don't think IE supports the internet... |
| 05:21.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Herio: IE barely supports running. |
| 05:22.04 | TheKarn | NightHawkTheSane, just have a php file that echoes it out (with the right header ofc) and call it with a timestamp in the query (or something random at least) |
| 05:22.24 | ckknight | has anyone actually tried IE7 with tabs? why does it run so goddamn slow? |
| 05:22.35 | TheKarn | so <img src='image.php?1235734684' /> |
| 05:22.36 | Xuerian | IE7 runs faster than FF for me |
| 05:22.46 | TheKarn | as long as the query changes, IE wont cache it |
| 05:22.50 | Xuerian | Granted, no yummy extensions and horrible standards rendering... |
| 05:22.52 | Herio | CKK: because you want a drop down menu bar, and that isn't built in |
| 05:23.03 | Herio | AND IT DOES NOT GO ON THE TOP LINE |
| 05:23.10 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 05:23.22 | purl | It'll be a good chance to get away from the evil monkey that lives in my closet." |
| 05:23.22 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: erm, you misunderstood, probably becuase I wasn't clear. I don't mind client-side cashing, I just dont want to have to use a separate "image.php". :P |
| 05:23.22 | CIA-23 | 03grayhoof * r35397 10EavesDrop/localization-koKR.lua: EavesDrop: Korean localization update by next96 |
| 05:23.34 | TheKarn | oh |
| 05:23.40 | TheKarn | hrm ... you could render it as a table |
| 05:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | I -really- want to do somehting like a data uri, where i can just dump the base64 encoded image into the img tag inline, but IE doesn't support that. |
| 05:23.52 | TheKarn | depends on the size of the image |
| 05:24.00 | TheKarn | as it can be very heavy on bandwith |
| 05:24.03 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: a: use mod_rewrite |
| 05:24.18 | Xuerian | b: image.php?q=whatever&file=out.gif ? o.0 |
| 05:24.37 | Xuerian | If you can use mod_rewrite, it's totally made of solid win |
| 05:24.48 | NightHawkTheSane | except mod_rewrite wont solve anything :P |
| 05:24.54 | *** join/#wowace nuoHep (n=nuoHep@outer.test.e-larek.ru) |
| 05:25.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ill probably just have eto go with an image.php or something, thats just a pain in the ass, though. |
| 05:25.24 | Xuerian | .. |
| 05:25.28 | TheKarn | NightHawkTheSane, basically what you want (a way of encoding an image into the HTML source of a page generated by server-side scripting such as PHP) isnt possible. |
| 05:25.52 | Xuerian | Ouuh. |
| 05:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: yeah, im kinda figuring that out. sadly. >< bleh |
| 05:26.01 | Xuerian | Nupe :p |
| 05:26.06 | TheKarn | unless you can load it via javascript |
| 05:26.53 | Herio | oh yeah, is it intended that Buu's healthbar height seems non-adjustable? |
| 05:26.54 | TheKarn | LoD legacy layout handler and versioning numbers? |
| 05:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: that sentence just barely made no sense. "deprecated" huhwha? |
| 05:27.01 | ckknight | typo |
| 05:27.03 | ckknight | deprecate. |
| 05:27.09 | NightHawkTheSane | oh okay |
| 05:27.10 | ckknight | I has an idea! |
| 05:27.34 | ckknight | let's examine the Seerah layout, for instance |
| 05:27.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: i'm in ur memes! usin' ur catch phases! |
| 05:27.55 | ckknight | the only _real_ change is that the name text is above the frame on the topleft and the class text above the frame on the topright |
| 05:27.55 | Xuerian | XD |
| 05:28.22 | ckknight | why not allow fontstrings to be placed in assorted locations, essentially arbitrarily? |
| 05:28.32 | Xuerian | More features. ADD IT |
| 05:28.42 | ckknight | I have no real issue with more features |
| 05:28.45 | ckknight | as long as it's in scope |
| 05:28.49 | ckknight | and scope is what I say it is |
| 05:28.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: i'd like something like that. |
| 05:29.01 | Xuerian | So why ask us, or was that a internal question? :p |
| 05:29.12 | ckknight | I like to see people's responses. |
| 05:29.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: most of what my layout is is more or less just moving the name/class text frames, and adding another mana/healthtext frame |
| 05:29.22 | ckknight | so that I don't make a huge mistake |
| 05:29.49 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: wonder if I can have an arbitrary "new fontstring" option... |
| 05:30.04 | ckknight | pants. |
| 05:30.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: if you could pull that off, i'd be a bit impressed, it seems like a real pain trying to deal with content/positioning purely in-game |
| 05:30.33 | kebinusan | How about the option to change the number of rows of auras and such |
| 05:30.48 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: dewdrop with just a list of positions. |
| 05:30.53 | ckknight | "Left side health bar" |
| 05:31.00 | ckknight | "Center health bar" |
| 05:31.02 | sylvanaar | man |
| 05:31.05 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r35398 10Prat/ (40 files in 4 dirs): |
| 05:31.05 | CIA-23 | Prat: Many changes. Top level event handler installed, all chat related event |
| 05:31.05 | CIA-23 | now pass the event as a parameter and no longer read the global event. Event |
| 05:31.05 | CIA-23 | ID's are assigned to each event to track identity, and are scoped only for the |
| 05:31.05 | CIA-23 | processing of that event. Global utility tables made local and imported by each |
| 05:31.05 | ckknight | "Right side health bar" |
| 05:31.06 | CIA-23 | module. Sounds module changed to play sound only on the first time an event |
| 05:31.10 | CIA-23 | produces output on a chatframe. Other changes i forgot... |
| 05:31.23 | ckknight | pants, sylvanaar |
| 05:31.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: yeah, i guess, just seems like there's a lot more positions that people might want than any one person can think of :P |
| 05:31.47 | ckknight | I'll add em as I feel like :-P |
| 05:32.22 | sylvanaar | fun part about being the author |
| 05:32.34 | kebinusan | sylvanaar: telling users to piss off? |
| 05:32.40 | sylvanaar | no |
| 05:33.00 | sylvanaar | getting the features you want |
| 05:33.04 | kebinusan | oh hehe |
| 05:33.11 | kebinusan | that works too |
| 05:33.11 | ckknight | yea, that's nice |
| 05:33.16 | *** join/#wowace Ani| (i=Ani@86.56.51.7) |
| 05:33.33 | ckknight | I also don't like to implement features that I see aren't useful or that I just would never use |
| 05:33.40 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 05:33.47 | kebinusan | I should learn a bit more lua or something |
| 05:33.51 | Fisker- | Btw have you corrected the modulenames? |
| 05:34.30 | sylvanaar | i do occasionally, but, then i get mad when i have to fix a bug in that feature |
| 05:34.30 | ckknight | what addons are the Ace community missing? |
| 05:34.41 | kebinusan | ckk, cosmos! |
| 05:35.07 | Diao | threatmeter! |
| 05:35.16 | ckknight | Diao: was thinking that. |
| 05:35.16 | kebinusan | a damage meter that works |
| 05:35.52 | kebinusan | Be nice to have a feature rich raid tracking mod too |
| 05:36.00 | *** join/#wowace Roartindon_ (n=jtlim@ppp11-127.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 05:36.01 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 05:36.03 | ckknight | problem with that is that I don't raid |
| 05:36.05 | ckknight | don't have a 60+ |
| 05:36.10 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 05:36.17 | ckknight | anyone wanna play my pally? |
| 05:36.20 | ckknight | :-P |
| 05:36.21 | *** join/#wowace Ani| (n=Ani@86.56.51.7) |
| 05:36.22 | ckknight | lvl 32 now |
| 05:36.25 | Diao | lol |
| 05:36.37 | Fisker- | blood elf? |
| 05:36.41 | ckknight | Draenei |
| 05:36.43 | Diao | is there an ace addon that tracks procs? |
| 05:36.43 | Fisker- | :( |
| 05:36.57 | Diao | there's like 700 addons to look through now :( |
| 05:36.57 | ckknight | I left Horde because of 12-year-old Belves. |
| 05:37.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: if you're willing to brave KLHTM's code, just steal their data, and you shouldn't have to raid. |
| 05:37.04 | hyperChipmunk | lol |
| 05:37.07 | Diao | proc rate that is |
| 05:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: yeah, cause 12-year-old Nelves are better ;) |
| 05:37.14 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: you know that's totally what I'd do. |
| 05:38.12 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: actually haven't run into any, especially with my guild |
| 05:38.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: there's immaturity on both sides, really *shrug* :\ |
| 05:38.12 | hyperChipmunk | ckknight: if you're serious, I'm still not entirely pleased with any bar mods |
| 05:38.16 | NightHawkTheSane | bongos ftw. |
| 05:38.18 | kebinusan | Anyone know a good mod for like group templates in raids, like try to arrange groups so that there are 3 rogues a shaman and a warrior in a group and other silly stuff like that |
| 05:38.22 | hyperChipmunk | infinibar comes close, but it's not complete and jjsheets has seemed to have dropped off the face of the earth |
| 05:38.36 | kebinusan | it'd be nice to have raid templates maybe per boss and stuff so I could click a button and organize groups |
| 05:38.39 | Gokie | hyperChipmunk: completely agreed |
| 05:38.52 | kebinusan | infini bar is nice, if the lag issues ever get fixed |
| 05:39.01 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk: frankly, Bartender3 does it for me |
| 05:39.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Bongos! ftw! |
| 05:39.09 | ckknight | I don't use bars much |
| 05:39.16 | ckknight | I click-cast most of my things |
| 05:39.19 | Gokie | yeah... Discord, bloated as it was, really set the standard for customizability in an actionbar mod |
| 05:39.23 | ckknight | and use keyboard for everything else. |
| 05:39.33 | ckknight | Gokie: very true |
| 05:39.33 | hyperChipmunk | and setup is nothing close to polished |
| 05:39.43 | kebinusan | hc, yeah I hate having to lock each button |
| 05:40.01 | hyperChipmunk | kebinusan: we worked out both that and the lag |
| 05:40.09 | kebinusan | honestly the one little feature I liked most was being able to define bars visible based on events |
| 05:40.09 | hyperChipmunk | you're like 50 revs behind |
| 05:40.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Honestly, i just checked, and i think the only major non-ace mods I use are unit frames, action bars, and klhtm |
| 05:40.13 | kebinusan | oh? I'll have to enable it again |
| 05:40.24 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: but PitBull... |
| 05:40.47 | Xuerian | PitBull ish nice |
| 05:40.49 | kebinusan | I got kinda used to having a bar say where my pet bar is taht has all my pet summons on it when I dont have a pet out, but isnt there when I have a pet |
| 05:40.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: yeah, i know. been meaning to use it full time. its just i -really- like PCUF. |
| 05:40.52 | Xuerian | But bongos is still king |
| 05:41.00 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: tell me what features you need. |
| 05:41.04 | hyperChipmunk | ckknight: clickcast is only viable for healing classes |
| 05:41.11 | Xuerian | Bull 0_o |
| 05:41.12 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk: yea, I heal. |
| 05:41.19 | kebinusan | hyperChipmunk: I tried it a few days ago I think and was still getting a serious fps sink with inifnibar enabled in a raid in combat |
| 05:41.22 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk: I can't stand DPSing :-P |
| 05:41.22 | Kaydeethree | meh. it's a matter of inertia for me. pcuf does everything I need it to do, so no need to change |
| 05:41.25 | Xuerian | My warlock has no hostile spells slotted on any buttons |
| 05:41.35 | hyperChipmunk | you asked what the community needs |
| 05:41.37 | hyperChipmunk | >8p |
| 05:41.38 | Xuerian | Only clicks >:) |
| 05:41.40 | hyperChipmunk | not you~! |
| 05:41.52 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk: I'm not willing to make something I won't use |
| 05:42.01 | ckknight | those addons never work. |
| 05:42.01 | Gokie | the problem I have with BT and Bongos was how limited the paging/stancing options are |
| 05:42.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: it's two things, really. One is the "combat display" module, which is nothing more than a player/target unit frame with only health/power in it, positioned center-screen |
| 05:42.07 | hyperChipmunk | make it well and maybe you will |
| 05:42.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: the other thing is that I really like PCUF's frame layout |
| 05:42.19 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: screen? |
| 05:42.22 | *** join/#wowace Kinkx (i=bleh@70.80-203-37.nextgentel.com) |
| 05:42.24 | ckknight | for both things, honestly. |
| 05:42.24 | hyperChipmunk | that's why infinibar is a great starting point |
| 05:42.26 | NightHawkTheSane | uh, yeah, sec. |
| 05:42.31 | kebinusan | hc yeah, the last svn commit on infini bar was 4-25 and Im still having serious fps issues with it enabled in raids |
| 05:42.43 | hyperChipmunk | because it's all clientside |
| 05:42.58 | hyperChipmunk | so you do have complete control |
| 05:43.07 | hyperChipmunk | kebinusan: ah, i don't raid |
| 05:43.08 | TheKarn | NightHawkTheSane, http://www.bennherrera.com/EmbeddedImage/ |
| 05:43.17 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Three windows: ftp, firefox, and devphp :P |
| 05:43.52 | kebinusan | hyperChipmunk: Yeah I posted a profiler thing, but I seriously go to single digit fps with infinibar enabled during combat situations in a raid :-( |
| 05:43.54 | Gokie | even soloing, if you switch back and forth between infinibar and another bar addon, you'll notice there's more lag |
| 05:43.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: lol. I have safari, textwrangler, console (error logs), and about 4 finder windows open |
| 05:44.27 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: interesting, it doesnt appear to work in Safari, though, so that's a no-go too |
| 05:44.38 | Gokie | play a melee class with instant specials and it becomes pretty noticable |
| 05:44.44 | hyperChipmunk | infinibar's benefits make it too good to just leave abandoned |
| 05:44.49 | TheKarn | argh |
| 05:44.55 | TheKarn | i tried |
| 05:44.58 | hyperChipmunk | it's got massive potential |
| 05:45.13 | Gokie | oh, definitely... if the performance issue was fixed, I'd switch to IB completely, in an instant |
| 05:45.15 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Ah. Mac. Special circumstances :p |
| 05:45.25 | kebinusan | Gokie: same, thats pretty much whats keeping me on bt3 atm |
| 05:45.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: lol. |
| 05:45.29 | hyperChipmunk | it just needs huge efficiency overhaul |
| 05:45.53 | hyperChipmunk | the concept is right, but i think it needs to be implemented smarter from the ground up |
| 05:46.29 | hyperChipmunk | it's turned to spaghetti because of all the stuff the server would normally handle has to be accounted for |
| 05:46.56 | Kaydeethree | ckk: here's a screencap of pcuf's combat display: http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8213/wowscrnshot042907213230ee3.jpg |
| 05:46.59 | hyperChipmunk | and he didn't realize all those things until after the code structure was in place, and it had to be caked on |
| 05:47.26 | Kaydeethree | the two frames just above the word "* * * Infernal * * *" alert |
| 05:47.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: http://www.asylumsw.com/misc/pcuf.jpeg |
| 05:47.39 | NimbleRabit | only non ace things I use are all of Cladhaire's stuff (and it might even be ace for all I know, but it's not from the wowace site), DoTimer, klhthreatmeter, and OmniCC |
| 05:47.47 | hyperChipmunk | which is precisely what ckk does well, which is why i suggested it |
| 05:47.58 | NightHawkTheSane | player/target/tot are at the bottom, in the center is the 'combat display' frames, player on bottom, target on top |
| 05:48.17 | NimbleRabit | Oh and WIM |
| 05:48.52 | ckknight | I like making modular frameworks and libraries. |
| 05:48.54 | hyperChipmunk | infinibar with proper ground-level modularity would be wicked |
| 05:49.06 | ckknight | structure is extremely important. |
| 05:49.08 | Gokie | SpellWatch strikes me as having great potential... but the inability to easily group/seperate targets means I can't replace DoTimer with it =( |
| 05:49.13 | ckknight | without good structure, a project is unhackable |
| 05:49.29 | Herio | maggie sure looks a lot like broodlord in that screenie |
| 05:49.30 | kebinusan | ckk a meter thing would be a good project, modules for damage, healing, threat, all that jazz mayhaps :-) |
| 05:49.31 | ckknight | which defeats the purpose of it being on SVN |
| 05:49.38 | ckknight | kebinusan: was thinking that |
| 05:49.54 | NightHawkTheSane | there's violation :P |
| 05:50.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Really, you could probably just make a violation module for threat, i bet. |
| 05:50.37 | kebinusan | anyone play with the swstats 2.1 beta |
| 05:51.35 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: that's what I was thinking :-P |
| 05:52.24 | kebinusan | does violation parse other damage meter events? |
| 05:52.49 | sedatedChipmunk | ckknight: i will never respect you until you make a buttonbar addon! |
| 05:52.49 | NightHawkTheSane | kebinusan: er, you mean will it sync with other damage meter mods? |
| 05:53.03 | ckknight | sedatedChipmunk: antipants. |
| 05:53.18 | kebinusan | yeah basically I guess, just curious no other meter does that but I heard it mentioned in here a couple times |
| 05:53.22 | sedatedChipmunk | thpbbbt >8p~ |
| 05:53.40 | kergoth | kebinusan: it does not, yet |
| 05:54.50 | Herio | ~seen Tekkub |
| 05:55.52 | purl | tekkub is currently on #wowace (54m 54s) #wowwiki (54m 54s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 28m 4s, last said: ' /dancedancedance'. |
| 05:56.24 | sedatedChipmunk | Tekkub: i ripped off your bagiter code; i hope you don't mind |
| 05:56.28 | TheKarn | NightHawkTheSane, hacky thought here ... if you're rendering to IE, create an iframe and populate it using javascript. (iframe.document.open("mime/type"); iframe.document.write('data') or something similar) |
| 05:56.37 | sedatedChipmunk | and if you do mind, then tough cookies; i don't care what you think |
| 05:56.40 | kebinusan | I think ctrt, getdkp, raidbidder, duckie banks, and swstats are the only addons I use not from the svn |
| 05:56.59 | TheKarn | duckie banks? |
| 05:57.22 | kebinusan | Duckie bank is this really cool guild bank addon, lemme find a link |
| 05:57.23 | NimbleRabit | ctrt? ct raid tracker? |
| 05:57.25 | NimbleRabit | what does it do |
| 05:57.28 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: meh, it's a lot of jumping through hoops, using a php file specifically for drawing/outputing the image will work, I was just hoping for a fairly easy alternative, because it's basically going to be a nearly-empty file. :P |
| 05:57.38 | *** join/#wowace [ND] (n=andy@62.40.167.62) |
| 05:57.47 | kebinusan | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7022-DuckieBank.html |
| 05:57.53 | TheKarn | nearly empty files are good! |
| 05:58.00 | TheKarn | easy to maintain |
| 05:58.17 | kebinusan | it syncs the guild bank contents with other people running the mod, allowing you to see the contents w/o logging on the bank, submit requests for items, etc |
| 05:58.37 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: true that. it'll probably be about 10 lines. |
| 05:58.57 | sylvanaar | gah, acelibrary may need to provide a function to get a library instance if possible, or return nil without an error |
| 05:59.02 | kebinusan | NimbleRabit: yeah, tracks attendance, item drops, all that stuff for import to a dkp site like eqdkp |
| 05:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | <? $map = new Map($id); $map->render(); $map->draw(); ?> ;) |
| 05:59.28 | kebinusan | theres some dkp stuff on the svn, but all seems to require people to run some sort of client mod |
| 05:59.32 | *** join/#wowace dotted (n=me@194.182.114.197) |
| 05:59.36 | NightHawkTheSane | (more or less) |
| 05:59.59 | TheKarn | NightHawkTheSane, make $map->render() return $this |
| 06:00.02 | NimbleRabit | kebinusan, dkpmon doesn't I don't think |
| 06:00.07 | sylvanaar | because all the AceLibrary:HasInstance() stuff may not be valid |
| 06:00.18 | TheKarn | then you can <? new Map($id)->render()->draw(); ?> |
| 06:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: hahaha. |
| 06:00.35 | kebinusan | last time I looked the bidding module seemed to require a client to place bids and such |
| 06:01.07 | TheKarn | well you can do similar things in most OO languages ... havent tried that in PHP |
| 06:01.10 | TheKarn | should work though |
| 06:01.15 | NightHawkTheSane | It might. |
| 06:01.27 | TheKarn | you'd still need to require(map_source); though |
| 06:01.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. |
| 06:02.07 | TheKarn | still 2 statements is better then 4. |
| 06:02.11 | NightHawkTheSane | the actual file will have a require_once that pulls in common.php, which then does all that setup stuff |
| 06:03.11 | TheKarn | heh i only just realised i've been on this clean build of XP without PHP/Apache for 3 weeks now. |
| 06:03.25 | NimbleRabit | kebinusan, oh it may. I never actually used it but when I was browsing and contemplating using it I got the impression that the client bidder module was optional to make it easier |
| 06:03.28 | TheKarn | which is strange as i use to use PHP for small scripting (where bat files failed) |
| 06:03.37 | TheKarn | then again i have python installed for that now. |
| 06:03.38 | TheKarn | :) |
| 06:03.45 | NightHawkTheSane | I really ought to learn python. |
| 06:03.58 | TheKarn | there isnt really learning python |
| 06:04.01 | TheKarn | its intuitative |
| 06:04.01 | NightHawkTheSane | I use php for most of my shell scripting, perl for the rest. I don't like php for shell scripting though |
| 06:04.16 | kebinusan | NimbleRabit: yeah the bidding mod is super simple, but I may take another look at dkpmon after reading the wiki |
| 06:05.23 | Arrowmaster` | my guild uses DKPmon and Bidder, and everybody loves Bidder |
| 06:05.36 | NimbleRabit | kebinusan, meh I think I was wrong after looking more closely now. It seems the users do need Bidder, but on the same not it looks really nice. |
| 06:05.44 | NimbleRabit | note* |
| 06:06.31 | kebinusan | yeah, right now I just run a mod to do open auctions in raid chat, where users whisper me their bid, their points are accessed from getdkp and whatnot but Im checking out these modules to poke at it a bit |
| 06:07.34 | ckknight | sylvanaar: how do you mean? |
| 06:07.48 | ckknight | what's wrong with :HasInstance()? |
| 06:12.47 | *** join/#wowace Tupsi (n=lumpi@217.7.101.202) |
| 06:20.03 | *** join/#wowace Galka___ (n=Galka@pool-71-172-148-89.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 06:26.31 | *** join/#wowace Elkano (i=Elkano@client00105.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 06:40.05 | *** join/#wowace Unrealii (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 06:41.12 | sylvanaar | ckknight nevermind i wasnt thinking straight |
| 06:42.09 | sylvanaar | HasInstance already tries to load the library, i was thinking it didnt |
| 06:42.46 | Elkano | sylvanaar, your change to Prat's tab code a few days ago is causing an error wrt locals on deDE. unfotunatly I don't have the error he since I'm using enGB |
| 06:44.19 | sylvanaar | missing xlation maybe? |
| 06:45.34 | sylvanaar | there are 4 strings that need to be localized, the localizers have told me not to mess with them in the past |
| 06:46.37 | sylvanaar | its really , the key that changed not the translation |
| 06:48.04 | *** join/#wowace Next96 (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 06:48.07 | *** join/#wowace Unrealii (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 06:48.31 | NightHawkTheSane | TheKarn: just for the record, I can do $map->render()->draw(); and that works. But new Map($id)->render() throws an error |
| 06:50.00 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r35399 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/ChatTabs.lua: Prat: Fix the locale key for 2 strings, 2 others still need translations |
| 06:50.57 | Elkano | sylvanaar, yeah it was something like "unknown key, check spelling" |
| 06:51.22 | Jagobah | (09:43:59PM) <dodgizzla> Jagobah: MultiTips or Links |
| 06:51.26 | Jagobah | paging Aenslaed |
| 06:51.27 | Jagobah | :o |
| 06:52.43 | *** join/#wowace Next96 (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 06:52.45 | *** join/#wowace Unrealii (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 06:53.17 | Jagobah | http://aenslaed.mizery.net/newui.jpg are these unitframes Pitbull? |
| 06:53.28 | Jagobah | If they are... does it support ToToT? |
| 06:53.31 | Elkano | oh man, sometimes I just wanna slap a bunch of people on the wow forums... 5 threads for RatingBuster right under eachother :/ |
| 06:54.09 | sylvanaar | man where did my subsystem debugging menu go, it just gone |
| 06:54.23 | Elkano | vacation maybe? |
| 06:54.28 | Herio | jagobah: looks like ABF something (likely pitbull) and aloft |
| 06:54.44 | Herio | and yes it does |
| 06:54.48 | Jagobah | oooh what is ABF ! |
| 06:55.32 | Fisker- | it's a layout for pitbull |
| 06:55.33 | Herio | a theme using in aG and pitbull |
| 06:55.34 | Fisker- | the default one |
| 06:55.48 | Jagobah | wow !! |
| 06:56.04 | Jagobah | I currently use perl and I'm looking for alternatives |
| 06:56.13 | Herio | ELEVEN!!!ONE!!!TILDE! |
| 06:56.17 | Roartindon_ | And yes, it supports ToToT |
| 06:56.18 | NightHawkTheSane | <3s pcuf |
| 06:56.20 | Roartindon_ | (Pitbull that is) |
| 06:56.38 | Jagobah | good stuff |
| 06:56.44 | Herio | you could even do ToToToToToToToToToT if that floats your boat >.> |
| 06:56.57 | Jagobah | :o |
| 06:57.02 | dotted | i want ToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToT |
| 06:57.14 | dotted | ToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToToTo |
| 06:57.20 | sylvanaar | its a passing group, hmmm |
| 06:57.20 | Jagobah | and I bet that casting bar is Quartz |
| 06:57.21 | Herio | that one is usually snowy rabbit |
| 06:57.22 | Roartindon_ | It's definitely pitbull in that screenshot, the pitbull icon is in the fubar :) |
| 06:57.30 | Herio | it sure looks like it |
| 06:58.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I wonder how many ToTs it would take to get from one end of a continent to another |
| 06:58.36 | *** join/#wowace Galka___ (n=Galka@pool-71-172-148-89.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 06:58.50 | _art3mis | quite a few |
| 06:58.54 | Arrowmaster | not possible |
| 06:58.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirkburn|afk: which continent, and lengthwise or width-wise? |
| 06:59.00 | _art3mis | i mc'd gamon to gadget once |
| 06:59.15 | _art3mis | had snap shots of his trip ;P |
| 06:59.23 | Jagobah | Only reason I need ToToT is to make sure a tank has an aura (and I usually target a boss) |
| 06:59.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Uh ... EK, top to bottom ^^ |
| 06:59.37 | Jagobah | :) |
| 06:59.38 | _art3mis | thats what focus is for ;P |
| 06:59.46 | Jagobah | I bet healers would like it too |
| 06:59.52 | Arrowmaster | you wont see ToT if the unit is out of your own visable range |
| 07:00.07 | Jagobah | I've heard about focus but could never enable it |
| 07:00.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirkburn|afk: lol, um, lots :) |
| 07:00.12 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r35400 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: Restore subsystem debug menu |
| 07:00.12 | Elkano | what I wonder: this person uses Quartz but an old EBB :/ |
| 07:00.24 | Herio | EBB? |
| 07:00.29 | Arrowmaster | i use quartz and an old EBB |
| 07:00.51 | Herio | oh |
| 07:00.59 | Herio | Elkano's buff bars |
| 07:01.06 | Arrowmaster | although i was using oCB just the other day |
| 07:01.16 | Herio | why not call EEBs EEB2? |
| 07:01.17 | ckknight | Jagobah: PitBull supports target, tot, and totot. |
| 07:01.17 | sylvanaar | Will you get ToT if you use mindcontrol? |
| 07:01.20 | Arrowmaster | then finally switched to CBripoff |
| 07:01.27 | Arrowmaster | and then to quartz |
| 07:01.43 | *** join/#wowace dRiN (n=kvirc@212.178.199.2) |
| 07:01.49 | *** join/#wowace Unrealii (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 07:02.04 | *** join/#wowace Next96 (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 07:02.04 | Jagobah | ckknight, what about buff/debuff display on ToToT? |
| 07:02.05 | ckknight | no problems there. |
| 07:02.05 | sylvanaar | hold up |
| 07:02.08 | ckknight | it's just another frame. |
| 07:02.35 | Jagobah | hmmmmm |
| 07:02.48 | Jagobah | Okay I have a few newbie questions left to go |
| 07:03.02 | Herio | get out of here |
| 07:03.06 | Jagobah | :) |
| 07:03.08 | ckknight | just ask quickly |
| 07:03.09 | sylvanaar | yeah, you have to MC first, then you can get ToT |
| 07:03.16 | Herio | we don't take kindly to your kind here |
| 07:04.13 | sylvanaar | we need more people coming to write code for us |
| 07:04.38 | Jagobah | forums are answering most already |
| 07:05.04 | Jagobah | I guess the one thing I haven't found easily is a category listing of addons on WoWace |
| 07:05.24 | Jagobah | Like if I wanted to find all auction mods or pvp mods it's a little unintuitive |
| 07:05.43 | *** join/#wowace Megalon (i=starfox@85-124-129-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 07:05.43 | Roartindon_ | probably easiest to just do a text search on files.wowace.com for "pvp" or "auction" |
| 07:05.46 | *** join/#wowace evl (n=fuckoff@gw.apt.no) |
| 07:06.35 | *** join/#wowace Antiarc (n=Chris@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 07:09.25 | *** join/#wowace Unrealii (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 07:09.48 | *** join/#wowace |MoX|Padwa| (n=abrakada@mail.emural.ru) |
| 07:10.27 | ckknight | well, 45 minutes till Family Guy downloads |
| 07:10.34 | ckknight | guess I can use this time to code. |
| 07:11.37 | Jagobah | are otravi's mods not on wowace anymore? |
| 07:12.10 | kebinusan | nope havent been for some time |
| 07:12.16 | Fisker- | fuxsake.net |
| 07:12.21 | Fisker- | or wowinterface.com |
| 07:13.49 | ckknight | woo, pants: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102916180&postId=1027398640&sid=1#7 |
| 07:14.51 | Kinkx | It's so strange that DPS meters are all reporting different DPS, Recap and SW_Stats are the same, but Violation, CombatStats, KombatStats and EavesDrop are all reporting different things |
| 07:15.20 | Kinkx | Kind of don't know who to trust, but i'm going with Recap and SW_Stats I guess |
| 07:15.24 | kebinusan | Kinkx alot of it has to do with how time in combat is calcuated |
| 07:15.38 | kebinusan | Id imagine anyway |
| 07:16.02 | evl | ckknight: I still get some wierdness with the castbaricon, didn't someone commit a patch to fix that? |
| 07:16.03 | Kinkx | Yea, it has to be, they all get the damage done right.. just the time is all different |
| 07:16.17 | Roartindon_ | evl: I fixed it, someone brok eit again |
| 07:16.17 | ckknight | evl: no idea |
| 07:16.18 | Arrowmaster | some like damagemeters count from when anybody in the party goes in combat to when everybody in the party is out of combat i think |
| 07:17.04 | Roartindon_ | My commit message for r31817 in Pitbull describes the problem and the fix |
| 07:17.36 | Roartindon_ | oops.. not that one.. hmm.. wher eis it |
| 07:17.43 | Roartindon_ | I've fixed it locally on my copy in CastBar.lua |
| 07:18.11 | Kinkx | I'm just testing them out by myself, and they're all giving different numbers except SW_Stats and Recap, I guess they're using the same code or something |
| 07:18.23 | Kinkx | I mean, same way to calculate the time |
| 07:18.55 | *** part/#wowace a-stray-cat (n=a-stray-@adsl-75-26-183-121.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:20.01 | *** join/#wowace syeren (i=syeren@cpc3-oldh5-0-0-cust762.manc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 07:20.31 | evl | Roartindon_: commit :D |
| 07:21.27 | evl | ckknight: And I can gladly report that all the funky black voodoo boxes are now gone |
| 07:21.35 | ckknight | pants. |
| 07:21.44 | Elkano | pantsu? |
| 07:21.49 | evl | hai! |
| 07:21.55 | ckknight | Gojira! |
| 07:22.24 | Elkano | I'm with stupid... and I feel comfortable ;) |
| 07:22.46 | TheKarn | wahoo ... exam in 1 hour |
| 07:22.58 | TheKarn | CSP and JCSP ... boring as hell but easy. |
| 07:22.59 | Elkano | better luck next time :) |
| 07:23.18 | Elkano | anyone of you playing DotA? |
| 07:23.24 | evl | Yeah |
| 07:23.29 | evl | on #dotapickup.euro |
| 07:23.39 | evl | quakenet that is :) |
| 07:23.51 | Elkano | looked at the hero suggestions for the feary dragon? |
| 07:24.03 | evl | Nah; i don't troll those forums much |
| 07:24.47 | Elkano | some of the suggestions seem so overpowered... and that are the ones with most votes... |
| 07:25.30 | ckknight | dota's lame |
| 07:25.36 | ckknight | imho |
| 07:25.39 | ckknight | could never get into it |
| 07:26.01 | Elkano | it can be lots of fun if played with the right people... eg ru no gu ;) |
| 07:26.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i like it, i just suck at it |
| 07:28.08 | Arrowmaster | i need a new computer |
| 07:28.08 | Arrowmaster | getting video lag when watching a 1280x720 h264 video sucks |
| 07:28.09 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: I like my mac |
| 07:28.30 | Arrowmaster | i dont buy computers anymore, i build them |
| 07:28.44 | Aenslaed | yeah, Dota can be alot of fun if you are playing with friends |
| 07:31.38 | *** join/#wowace KarlThePagan (n=andross@66.225.8.145) |
| 07:31.41 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: I wish OS X were available on non-macs... |
| 07:31.46 | ckknight | *sigh* |
| 07:32.06 | ckknight | actually, honestly, I wish Linux has ISV and IHV support equivalent to that of what Windows has now. |
| 07:32.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah wouldnt mind having os x around to play with sometimes |
| 07:32.30 | *** join/#wowace yacoob (i=yacoob@hell.pl) |
| 07:32.45 | Arrowmaster | ive actually considered getting a mac book pro |
| 07:32.50 | ckknight | I'd totally use Linux if I could play without any hassle. |
| 07:33.14 | ckknight | play WoW* |
| 07:33.28 | ckknight | and to those who want so say otherwise, using Cedega or wine is a hassle. |
| 07:34.31 | kebinusan | wine isnt a big hassle at all honestly |
| 07:34.36 | ckknight | sorry, it is |
| 07:34.45 | ckknight | it's not supported by blizzard |
| 07:34.47 | ckknight | thus, hassle |
| 07:34.56 | ckknight | there's the possibility that it'll break on patch day |
| 07:34.58 | ckknight | or not work correctly |
| 07:35.05 | ckknight | and there's the whole graphics driver thing |
| 07:35.17 | ckknight | or getting Vent to work properly |
| 07:35.48 | kebinusan | Ive never had a problem, and vent wasnt too bad though I run some another app with vent to trap the push to talk key |
| 07:35.50 | ckknight | and being able to watch all the videos available |
| 07:36.19 | ckknight | I don't want to dick around and not be able to watch some media because of codec asshattery |
| 07:37.14 | Arrowmaster | generally the only things you run into codec asshatery with are things you run into codec asshattery on windows with because to get the codec they want you to download and use their special player |
| 07:37.24 | Arrowmaster | fucking real player diaf |
| 07:37.27 | kebinusan | Have you tried Ubuntu, just selecting a few packages pretty much resolves any codec issues you'd have with videos, granted a little more setup is involved especially if you want to use beryl and such but its its one of those things that once you get it working you dont typically mess with it again |
| 07:37.35 | SunTiger | Arrowmaster, ever heard of WMV |
| 07:37.36 | SunTiger | yeah |
| 07:37.47 | kebinusan | I can watch wmv stuff just fine on linux |
| 07:37.57 | Arrowmaster | afaik wmv's have been working on linux just fine for quite some time now |
| 07:37.58 | SunTiger | have fun getting that to work "out of the box" |
| 07:38.02 | ckknight | I really wish that the state of Linux computing were better |
| 07:38.07 | ckknight | I really do |
| 07:38.25 | ckknight | and that's mostly issues based around ISV and IHV support. |
| 07:38.25 | kebinusan | I run vent and wow on linux, have for a bout a year |
| 07:38.34 | Arrowmaster | nothing works 'out of the box' in linux since 'out of the box' is a barebone install with nothing on it |
| 07:38.55 | Fisker- | man if only i had a US account |
| 07:39.10 | ckknight | kebinusan: I've used Ubuntu since Warty. |
| 07:39.10 | ckknight | Fisker-: hrm? |
| 07:39.43 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102916180&postId=1027398640&sid=1#1 <-omg you admitted to exploiting!1 |
| 07:39.56 | ckknight | no, Fisker- |
| 07:40.04 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:40.04 | ckknight | you can just copy-paste into a normal lua file |
| 07:40.10 | Fisker- | oh |
| 07:40.16 | ckknight | it fucks up the taint system |
| 07:40.20 | ckknight | but good for testing, |
| 07:41.19 | *** join/#wowace Berkz (n=Berkz@campus-112.bifrost.is) |
| 07:41.21 | Fisker- | pretty nice they managed to write "roll" instead of "role" |
| 07:41.37 | ckknight | pretty nice that they never actually tested. |
| 07:41.49 | yacoob | they have 9 mln users for that purpose |
| 07:41.55 | ckknight | this has happened twice now. |
| 07:42.00 | Fisker- | compile until it works |
| 07:42.06 | ckknight | same file |
| 07:42.15 | Berkz | Hey, have I found the right spot to ask newbish addon relating questions ? |
| 07:42.36 | *** join/#wowace Galka___ (n=Galka@pool-71-172-148-89.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 07:43.20 | Berkz | Was wondering about the definition of "events" in wow. Like when the player changes a target is that an event ? |
| 07:43.41 | Fisker- | i believe it is |
| 07:43.54 | Fisker- | but you have to register for it or something like that |
| 07:43.57 | kebinusan | Edgy and Feisty have been pretty decent, I thought linux had support for the virtualization stuff |
| 07:43.58 | *** join/#wowace sunset (n=sun@ARouen-152-1-22-123.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:43.59 | SunTiger | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 |
| 07:44.00 | ckknight | yes, Berkz, PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED |
| 07:44.01 | SunTiger | have fun with that |
| 07:44.28 | ckknight | kebinusan: I've used Edgy. Got my mac before Fiesty |
| 07:44.32 | Berkz | aight I got some code I can't get to work |
| 07:44.39 | ckknight | Berkz: ace.pastey.net |
| 07:44.46 | Berkz | ya ok |
| 07:45.32 | kebinusan | http://www.crn.com/software/199001358 looks like Feisty released with virtualization stuff |
| 07:45.55 | ckknight | yea |
| 07:46.35 | kebinusan | But anyway yeah running wow under wine hasnt really presented me with too many issues, since the wow engine supports opengl, if it were dx only I suppose it'd be more annoying |
| 07:46.44 | Berkz | http://ace.pastey.net/29661 |
| 07:47.25 | Berkz | I'm just putting um text there "target changed" just to see that it works so I can continue... |
| 07:47.30 | Berkz | but it's not showing |
| 07:47.36 | *** join/#wowace Unrealii (i=NEXT96@121.129.140.61) |
| 07:48.01 | Roartindon_ | you're putting the text there, but you're not showing UIErrorsFrame |
| 07:48.10 | Roartindon_ | You're probablyt better off using AceConsole mixin |
| 07:48.17 | Roartindon_ | And just using self:Print("TARGET CHANGED") |
| 07:48.38 | Roartindon_ | Or event DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("TARGET CHANGED"), or ChatFrame#:AddMessage(.....) |
| 07:48.54 | Roartindon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.56 | Berkz | does that mean I just have to add aceconsole in the library list ?to use self:Print("TARGET CHANGED") |
| 07:49.04 | ckknight | yes |
| 07:49.11 | Berkz | aight thx I'll try that |
| 07:49.19 | Roartindon_ | AceConsole-2.0 |
| 07:49.22 | Roartindon_ | To the library list |
| 07:49.35 | ckknight | Berkz: you should check out the WelcomeHome tutorial |
| 07:49.49 | Berkz | I did |
| 07:49.55 | Berkz | the code is partly from there |
| 07:50.13 | ckknight | well see how they do printing |
| 07:50.35 | Berkz | will do |
| 07:51.35 | Fisker- | When i use up a necklace's charges do i then lose the necklace or only the charges? |
| 07:51.41 | ckknight | just charges |
| 07:51.45 | Fisker- | alright :P |
| 07:52.42 | yacoob | kebinusan, just out of curiosity what gfx card and driver you're using wine+wow with? |
| 07:55.16 | *** join/#wowace nahkiss (n=Nahkiss@dsl-hkigw7-fed8dc00-135.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 07:55.17 | *** join/#wowace Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 07:57.11 | Berkz | do I need to add :new("AceConsole-2.0") on the topmost line in my .lua or is it enough to have it in the .toc file ? |
| 07:57.23 | Roartindon_ | Berkz: read through http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace2_Addon#Saying_Hello |
| 07:57.34 | *** join/#wowace Elkano (i=Elkano@pool020.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 07:57.53 | Roartindon_ | short answer, you need AceConsole-2.0 in your lua file and in your .toc to be correct |
| 07:58.07 | Berkz | thx :) like short answers :) |
| 07:58.18 | Berkz | but you are right i have to read it through |
| 08:03.21 | Berkz | lol it works :) |
| 08:04.47 | syeren | Any planned features on Pitbull Ckk? |
| 08:04.54 | syeren | And don't direct me to the Wishlist! |
| 08:05.07 | ckknight | first two points in the wishlist I added |
| 08:12.36 | *** part/#wowace ggilbert (n=ggilbert@tinman.treke.net) |
| 08:12.41 | *** join/#wowace ggilbert (n=ggilbert@tinman.treke.net) |
| 08:12.45 | *** part/#wowace ggilbert (n=ggilbert@tinman.treke.net) |
| 08:12.48 | *** join/#wowace ggilbert (n=ggilbert@tinman.treke.net) |
| 08:14.57 | kebinusan | wishlist on the wiki or forums |
| 08:15.09 | ckknight | wiki |
| 08:19.40 | ckknight | there are some things in the wishlist that I'll likely never do |
| 08:19.59 | [Ammo] | it's 'jumpy' |
| 08:21.30 | *** join/#wowace theoddone33 (n=jimbob@pool-71-109-118-101.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 08:30.58 | SunTiger | nothing worse then jumpy faders. |
| 08:31.04 | SunTiger | kinda defeats the point |
| 08:31.08 | SunTiger | also, good morning [ammo |
| 08:33.08 | [Ammo] | morning |
| 08:33.12 | CIA-23 | 03herio * r35401 10FuBar_CorkFu/Core.lua: FuBar_CorkFu: Fixed class filter issue for blessing and possibly others |
| 08:33.18 | [Ammo] | well it happens mainly when you get hit again before the fade is done |
| 08:33.28 | [Ammo] | it jumps from a big value to the correct value and starts fading agaain |
| 08:33.32 | [Ammo] | annoys the crap out of me :p |
| 08:33.36 | *** part/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@ekm-s-216-160.resnet.CSUChico.EDU) |
| 08:33.54 | *** join/#wowace Galka___ (n=Galka@pool-71-172-148-89.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 08:35.06 | SunTiger | and getting hit again while fading is not something that only happens every hour or something. |
| 08:35.16 | [Ammo] | it happens all the bloody time |
| 08:35.30 | SunTiger | hehe |
| 08:35.41 | SunTiger | i'm a rogue, i fuck up your fader in pvp |
| 08:35.44 | *** join/#wowace FtH|Daemona (i=koaschte@i577A13E7.versanet.de) |
| 08:35.48 | SunTiger | :P |
| 08:35.48 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 08:36.29 | *** join/#wowace laughlorien (n=laughlor@146.86.161.65) |
| 08:41.26 | Fisker- | damn that was funny |
| 08:41.40 | Fisker- | a gm came and started messing with su |
| 08:41.41 | Fisker- | us |
| 08:49.16 | *** join/#wowace Tovort (n=Miranda@viola.iai.uni-bonn.de) |
| 08:49.56 | *** join/#wowace Gandharva (n=Miranda@dslb-084-057-042-096.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:50.36 | Fisker- | http://www.developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/ilold.jpg |
| 08:52.37 | vhaarr | morning |
| 08:53.50 | *** join/#wowace chuckg_ (i=chuckg@66-238-4-197.starstream.net) |
| 08:54.22 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r35402 10Prat/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Prat: Made the waterfall use the console menu as its source. Chatbutton module using the core onupdate wrapper. |
| 08:59.14 | Cyrez | Suicide Slurpee for the pwn. |
| 08:59.34 | Neebler | you UI is oogly fisker! |
| 08:59.56 | Neebler | and 73mb? omg |
| 09:00.59 | Cyrez | No, look at how much gold he has. |
| 09:01.15 | Neebler | uhhhhhh |
| 09:01.44 | Neebler | how in the hell |
| 09:01.57 | Neebler | I'm looking up your armory and your professions! |
| 09:02.17 | Cryect | hehe |
| 09:02.18 | evl | what the fuck |
| 09:02.20 | evl | 153k? |
| 09:02.24 | Cryect | he showed that this morning |
| 09:02.31 | Nargiddley | we went over this earlier :P |
| 09:02.34 | Nargiddley | 15 quest |
| 09:02.38 | Nargiddley | heh |
| 09:02.40 | evl | haha :D |
| 09:02.47 | Cryect | still the amount of ram his UI uses is crazy |
| 09:02.54 | Cryect | auctioneer is my only guess :-p |
| 09:02.59 | evl | Taht UI makes me cry a bit |
| 09:03.02 | evl | so much wasted space! |
| 09:03.10 | evl | http://www.internetfriendsforever.com/screenshots/blend_ui.jpg |
| 09:03.11 | evl | less is more! |
| 09:03.18 | Neebler | he's enchanting/tailoring |
| 09:03.42 | evl | well 3550 isn't that much |
| 09:03.46 | Fisker- | indeed Cryect |
| 09:03.47 | evl | I cut gems for about 200-300g a day |
| 09:03.52 | Cryect | I dislike both those UI's but I also happen to hate the charcoal background so that might be a big part in my hating :-p |
| 09:04.10 | Fisker- | it usually runs around 40-50MB without auctioneer loaded |
| 09:04.18 | Fisker- | and i can handle it |
| 09:04.22 | Fisker- | got 4GB RAM |
| 09:04.35 | Cryect | well yeah it should handle it fine even if you had like 1GB ram :-p |
| 09:05.15 | Neebler | fisker, where does the bulk of your money come from? |
| 09:05.23 | Cryect | but I'm curious what you have using that much Omniscience? |
| 09:05.23 | Fisker- | ram is cheap now |
| 09:05.35 | evl | *cough*eBay*cough* |
| 09:06.08 | Cryect | ram is dirt cheap |
| 09:06.20 | Cyrez | Yeah, but with 1280MB RAM or more you could run two MMO's at once, lol. |
| 09:06.30 | Fisker- | yeah i ebayed 200$ on ebay for 200$ |
| 09:08.08 | vhaarr | Boubouille: new design looks good |
| 09:08.08 | Cryect | I've got 3GB's of RAM and no reason not to not have that much or so |
| 09:08.08 | Boubouille | vhaarr : thanks ^^ |
| 09:08.08 | vhaarr | Boubouille: unlike *cough* other raid news sites |
| 09:08.08 | Fisker- | green aint my style :( |
| 09:08.08 | Boubouille | you mean realmhistory.net vhaarr ? |
| 09:08.08 | Boubouille | *cough* |
| 09:08.09 | Cryect | Especially when my programs I'm working with have bad memory leaks :-p |
| 09:08.09 | vhaarr | *ahem* |
| 09:08.10 | vhaarr | "yes" |
| 09:08.10 | Boubouille | sucks that I have to put more adds tho :/ |
| 09:08.10 | *** join/#wowace duaiwe (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 09:08.10 | Fisker- | WRYYYYYYYY? |
| 09:08.11 | vhaarr | Boubouille: doesn't matter, I don't see any of them. |
| 09:08.11 | Boubouille | ahah |
| 09:08.12 | vhaarr | :P |
| 09:08.12 | Fisker- | haha |
| 09:08.12 | Fisker- | oh snap |
| 09:08.12 | Fisker- | just tried disabling my ad filter |
| 09:08.22 | vhaarr | lol |
| 09:08.29 | Fisker- | I was wondering "Why don't use that huge empty spot in your banner?" |
| 09:08.52 | Fisker- | Do you get money per clicks or per views or what? |
| 09:08.58 | Boubouille | mixed |
| 09:09.09 | Fisker- | i'll leave them unfiltered for you then :) |
| 09:09.25 | Boubouille | Don't bother tbh, it's not like you'll make the difference :p |
| 09:09.32 | Boubouille | they start paying for 1k views |
| 09:10.12 | Fisker- | i don't mind looking at ads as long they're not intrusive |
| 09:10.31 | Fisker- | There was this site who had so many ads that it could barely load for people |
| 09:10.38 | vhaarr | right |
| 09:10.41 | vhaarr | google adsense ftw |
| 09:10.42 | Boubouille | allakhazam is fun. |
| 09:10.49 | Boubouille | vhaarr : google adsense ftl |
| 09:11.36 | renchap | google adsense is bad for wow related websites |
| 09:11.42 | renchap | too many ads for gold farmers |
| 09:12.04 | vhaarr | who cares if you get gold ads, sheesh |
| 09:12.21 | ckknight | honestly, I don't blame the sellers. |
| 09:12.22 | Cryect | enough addon people that curse decided to change how they do? |
| 09:12.23 | renchap | blizzard :/ |
| 09:12.25 | ckknight | I blame gold buyers. |
| 09:12.30 | Cryect | do adds* |
| 09:12.38 | Cryect | ads* >_> |
| 09:13.16 | Boubouille | Cryect : tbh, adsense payout really sucks for most of the site |
| 09:13.20 | ckknight | <(ºvº)> |
| 09:13.46 | renchap | blizzard dont like sites with gold ads |
| 09:13.58 | Boubouille | it's not like Blizzard will like my site anyway |
| 09:14.02 | renchap | :) |
| 09:14.04 | Boubouille | I datamined 80% of their patch |
| 09:14.11 | Cryect | Boubouille: Heh I've got no idea I prefer using my free host from college |
| 09:14.22 | Fisker- | renchap hypocracy ftw :P |
| 09:14.34 | Fisker- | considered that Allakhazam and Thottbot are infact owned by gold sites anyways |
| 09:15.01 | *** join/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:15.16 | Boubouille | allakhazam ? |
| 09:15.18 | Fisker- | And infact ads costs them money, and they only generate revenue if anyone is interrested in it, and if they are they would find it without the need for ads |
| 09:15.24 | Fisker- | wow.allakhazam.com |
| 09:15.26 | Boubouille | EBGames owns allakhazam no ? |
| 09:15.30 | Boubouille | ... yeah I know the site |
| 09:15.34 | Boubouille | thanks. |
| 09:15.48 | Fisker- | Unless they changed owner then they were bought of a subsidiary of the goldselling industry |
| 09:15.56 | Fisker- | it's the same deal with www.wowinterface.com |
| 09:16.13 | Fisker- | can't remember if it's the same company though |
| 09:18.40 | Boubouille | nobody offered to buy my site. :( |
| 09:19.36 | omega_ | what is your site? |
| 09:19.46 | Cryect | your site has barely been around |
| 09:19.51 | Boubouille | www.mmo-champion.com ! (yeah ! advertising !) |
| 09:20.10 | Boubouille | Cryect : actually, I already had an offer from gold sellers for a partnership, they're fast :p |
| 09:20.27 | Cryect | hah |
| 09:20.47 | Fisker- | why didn't you accept?! |
| 09:20.54 | Boubouille | I didn't even answer. :/ |
| 09:21.03 | Boubouille | "Hey we've got an adsense banner on your site" |
| 09:21.08 | Boubouille | I removed adsense 1 month earlier |
| 09:21.14 | Fisker- | eheh |
| 09:24.57 | *** join/#wowace Leialyn (n=unknown@p54B4E995.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:27.30 | *** join/#wowace Vangual (n=bah@84-72-114-69.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 09:27.38 | CIA-23 | 03jerry * r35403 10Talented/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Talented: bugfixes, code review |
| 09:28.23 | Fisker- | http://www.developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/ilold1.jpg to 10 btw |
| 09:28.29 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 09:34.16 | *** join/#wowace Dekuna_ (n=Dek@rrcs-24-173-17-197.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 09:34.58 | *** join/#wowace nekoh (n=nekoh@pD9E00A70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:36.07 | CIA-23 | 03phyber * r35404 10XPBarNone/ (Core.lua XPBarNoneLocale-enUS.lua): |
| 09:36.07 | CIA-23 | XPBarNone: |
| 09:36.07 | CIA-23 | - Made various functions local, added two new strings to the locale. |
| 09:48.37 | *** join/#wowace dotted (n=me@194.182.114.197) |
| 09:49.17 | *** join/#wowace SunTiger (n=MoonWolf@a82-92-149-38.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 09:49.17 | *** mode/#wowace [+o SunTiger] by ChanServ |
| 09:52.56 | *** join/#wowace Athou (n=ask@42.5-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 09:54.49 | CIA-23 | 03jerry * r35405 10Talented/encode.lua: Talented: fix wowhead encoding |
| 09:55.30 | *** join/#wowace Hjalte (n=chatzill@bw1.svend-es.dk) |
| 09:55.36 | CIA-23 | 03athou * r35406 10Taggle/Taggle.lua: |
| 09:55.36 | CIA-23 | Taggle: |
| 09:55.36 | CIA-23 | - Bugfixing and rearranging order of filtering rules, hopefully fixing some major problems |
| 09:56.59 | Hjalte | Can anyone tell me how good the new functions in wow 2.1 are for telling me how efficient an addon is? I mean, what addons are bad and what addons are good. |
| 09:57.38 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35407 10BigWigs_Debugger/Debugger.lua: BigWigs_Debugger: add casting event tracking for hostile targets as requested by Funkeh |
| 09:58.17 | CIA-23 | 03jerry * r35408 10Talented_Data/Talented_Data_deDE.lua: Talented_Data: update |
| 09:58.39 | sylvanaar | Hjalte can it answer that question? no |
| 09:58.47 | *** join/#wowace Galka___ (n=Galka@pool-71-172-148-89.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 09:59.21 | [Ammo] | Hjalte: the profiling stuff is pretty good, but it does not give an indication of how good an addon is |
| 09:59.34 | [Ammo] | an addon can be CPU heavy because it does lots of things often |
| 09:59.40 | [Ammo] | that does not make it a bad addon |
| 09:59.40 | CIA-23 | 03rabbit * r35409 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_Options.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Consolidate two options. |
| 09:59.59 | nevcairiel | i like to think bartender3 is good enough, altho it uses some cpu. |
| 10:00.19 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: I'll agree with you when I've read through it |
| 10:00.23 | Hjalte | When i'm talking about good and bad, i mean memory and cpu wise. An example is my friend, who thinks all addons make his computer slow. Will it be easier to convince him that this is a "good" addon in 2.1= |
| 10:00.25 | Hjalte | ? |
| 10:00.37 | evl | Patch tuesday? Yes nO+ |
| 10:00.37 | SunTiger | easier yes |
| 10:00.47 | SunTiger | but its hard to convince people who have already made up their mind. |
| 10:00.48 | vhaarr | Hjalte: if he things all addons make his computer slow, nothing can save him |
| 10:00.54 | vhaarr | exactly |
| 10:01.10 | sylvanaar | he shouldnt even be shown how to turn on profiling |
| 10:01.34 | [Ammo] | at least the profiling stuff confirmed my suspicions on KTM :p |
| 10:01.40 | sylvanaar | because, the act of measuring slows things down |
| 10:01.44 | [Ammo] | even idling it's a CPU hog :) |
| 10:02.10 | sylvanaar | a good example is Tablet-2.0 |
| 10:02.13 | Cryect | yeah KTM is awwful |
| 10:02.19 | *** join/#wowace kamel (n=geforz@p54A780F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:02.20 | [Ammo] | tablet is pretty bad too, but meh |
| 10:02.33 | sylvanaar | while your looking at it, to measure it |
| 10:02.35 | vhaarr | Tablet only uses CPU power if it's visible, though. |
| 10:02.38 | [Ammo] | true |
| 10:02.40 | Cryect | I mean why with no combatlog events running is it almost 50% of my CPU Time for addons |
| 10:02.46 | sylvanaar | righyt |
| 10:03.03 | sylvanaar | so you staring intently at it, makes it use more resources |
| 10:03.07 | vhaarr | And the amount of CPU it consumes depends on the complexity of the tablet. |
| 10:03.14 | vhaarr | sylvanaar: indeed |
| 10:03.20 | vhaarr | so it's not that bad, really. |
| 10:03.39 | nevcairiel | unless you play with a detached tablet all the time |
| 10:03.41 | nevcairiel | for some reason |
| 10:04.09 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel: questfu :p |
| 10:04.13 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 10:04.21 | nevcairiel | is the questtracker a tablet? |
| 10:04.26 | vhaarr | yes |
| 10:04.29 | nevcairiel | meh |
| 10:04.31 | sylvanaar | its just a good example of how the act of measuring can influence performance |
| 10:04.34 | [Ammo] | I usually play with a detached tooltip for questfu |
| 10:04.37 | [Ammo] | when I'm questing |
| 10:04.40 | vhaarr | as do I |
| 10:04.44 | nevcairiel | i only use the tracker |
| 10:04.46 | vhaarr | doesn't matter, tablet's not that bad |
| 10:04.48 | [Ammo] | the tracker sucks balls |
| 10:05.40 | nevcairiel | i am using a custom double pane quest log for reading the texts .. and the questsfu tracker, i love the group features for questing :) |
| 10:06.25 | *** join/#wowace Angry_Dwarf (i=Angry_Dw@c-71-197-77-228.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 10:06.41 | [Ammo] | the group feature is great |
| 10:06.45 | [Ammo] | but the tracker is just soooo wrong |
| 10:07.03 | CIA-23 | 03sylvanaar * r35410 10Prat/Prat_AutoLoD/autolod.lua: Prat: Call EnableAddOn() before LoadAddOn() |
| 10:07.07 | vhaarr | tracker works fine for me |
| 10:07.21 | [Ammo] | the autotracking features never work |
| 10:07.28 | [Ammo] | or not consistently |
| 10:07.35 | vhaarr | I don't use those anyway |
| 10:07.38 | zoktar | theres no real working "profile" for xart is there? |
| 10:07.54 | nevcairiel | the auto tracking based on zone text is so weird |
| 10:08.00 | [Ammo] | what would be nice is just to show all quests for a specific zone like: Zangermarsh, Blade's Edge Mountains |
| 10:08.03 | [Ammo] | not the subzones and crap |
| 10:08.06 | Hjalte | [Ammo], tracker works fine here.The questsfu tracker that is. |
| 10:08.06 | [Ammo] | just the main top zone |
| 10:08.07 | *** join/#wowace Wogroipl_ (n=Wogroipl@c529c7a0e.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 10:08.17 | *** join/#wowace Ordog (i=ordog@port-87-234-85-114.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 10:08.29 | [Ammo] | the reason I have the detacehd tooltip is so I can click open the zone I'm in for quest tracking |
| 10:08.47 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 10:09.23 | [Ammo] | maybe I should just hack that in the tracker |
| 10:09.50 | *** join/#wowace Galka___ (n=Galka@pool-71-172-148-89.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 10:10.00 | Dekuna_ | having an option to show only non-group quests or something like that would be nice for the autotracker |
| 10:10.08 | nevcairiel | meh i am starving, and still way too long till lunch break :( |
| 10:10.58 | *** join/#wowace kovi (i=kov@p5081ceed.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:12.44 | *** join/#wowace Vegeta]BT[ (n=Vegeta-G@xdslw188.osnanet.de) |
| 10:12.50 | Cryect | Haha well this is amusing |
| 10:13.15 | Cryect | so the reason KTM is such a CPU Hog is because of its performance tracking which is built in |
| 10:13.27 | Dekuna_ | lol |
| 10:13.41 | Hjalte | Cryect, is there a way to disable that? |
| 10:13.44 | Cryect | even though who knows why any end user would use this feature with KTM |
| 10:15.27 | Vangual | snailmail kenco some asbestos vest in preparation of 2.1 then? :) |
| 10:15.54 | CIA-23 | 03jerry * r35411 10lern2count/Core.lua: lern2count: bugfixes, code review |
| 10:16.00 | *** join/#wowace dlemckert[Lurk-m (n=u0034a2@s1.defcert.nl) |
| 10:16.39 | Cryect | Hjalte: not really sure if there is because the builtin profiler is also the onupdate scheduler it seems for KTM |
| 10:16.54 | zoktar | anyone know a way to have several "xart"s and choose wich one to load on each char ? |
| 10:17.03 | zoktar | change the name of the addon somewherE ? |
| 10:17.40 | *** join/#wowace abyssichate (n=aby@81-174-22-136.f5.ngi.it) |
| 10:20.57 | *** join/#wowace Galka___ (n=Galka@pool-71-172-148-89.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 10:23.13 | *** join/#wowace Telrin (n=test@shandalar.xs4all.nl) |
| 10:30.17 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35412 10Necronomicon2/Prototype.lua: Necronomicon2: Zoom textures to fit better with my UI layout |
| 10:31.25 | CIA-23 | 03jerry * r35413 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: Add Concussive Barrage in deDE and Stun in frFR. Thanks Throndorin and Dutorien |
| 10:33.10 | *** join/#wowace Galka___ (n=Galka@pool-71-172-148-89.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 10:33.36 | vhaarr | It's on. |
| 10:33.37 | vhaarr | http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/ |
| 10:34.11 | vhaarr | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070513234519615 |
| 10:34.37 | ckknight | please |
| 10:34.37 | vhaarr | Dubbed "Patent Wars 2.0" by some, saying "1.0" was the SCO/Unisys thing. |
| 10:34.39 | ckknight | it's not on |
| 10:34.41 | vhaarr | :P |
| 10:34.51 | ckknight | not until Microsoft says _which_ patents |
| 10:34.55 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 10:35.03 | vhaarr | hopefully they will soon |
| 10:35.08 | ckknight | until then, it's too up in the air and Microsoft will have the power |
| 10:35.14 | vhaarr | or perhaps it's just another FUD-campaign. |
| 10:35.19 | ckknight | once they reveal which patents, they've lost their edge |
| 10:35.24 | ckknight | so I declare FUD |
| 10:35.35 | vhaarr | fun nevertheless |
| 10:36.10 | Wogroipl_ | hoq come agUF only shows my current health, and not my max health anymore? |
| 10:36.14 | Wogroipl_ | how* |
| 10:36.21 | vhaarr | Wogroipl_: it's a scaling issue |
| 10:36.31 | vhaarr | Wogroipl_: if you turn down the scale on the frames, it should show both |
| 10:36.39 | vhaarr | bug ag about it when he's here |
| 10:36.44 | Wogroipl_ | I'll try it, thanks |
| 10:36.55 | Wogroipl_ | especially the bugging part :P |
| 10:36.59 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 10:37.21 | vhaarr | "The leader of that faction is Richard Matthew Stallman, a computer visionary with the look and the intransigence of an Old Testament prophet." |
| 10:37.22 | vhaarr | rofl |
| 10:37.35 | vhaarr | CNN certainly picked the right images for their article |
| 10:37.38 | ckknight | dude |
| 10:37.43 | ckknight | Richard Michael Stallman |
| 10:37.47 | ckknight | I thought |
| 10:37.54 | ckknight | is it Michael or Matthew? |
| 10:38.02 | vhaarr | matthew |
| 10:38.17 | ckknight | hrm |
| 10:38.19 | ckknight | guess so |
| 10:38.23 | ckknight | totally thought it was Michael |
| 10:38.25 | ckknight | nvm then |
| 10:38.28 | vhaarr | could've been |
| 10:38.43 | ckknight | wikipedia says Matthew |
| 10:38.49 | vhaarr | yeah it's matthew |
| 10:38.55 | vhaarr | I'm just saying Michael was a good guess |
| 10:38.56 | vhaarr | :P |
| 10:39.23 | ckknight | whatever |
| 10:39.25 | ckknight | he's just rms |
| 10:39.57 | vhaarr | "E-mail programs infringe 15" |
| 10:40.04 | vhaarr | I wonder which ones. |
| 10:40.25 | vhaarr | perhaps they think they own the e-mail RFCs |
| 10:40.46 | ckknight | vhaarr: notice how Ballmer looks thinner? |
| 10:40.50 | ckknight | and not in a good way |
| 10:40.51 | ckknight | in a sickly way |
| 10:41.08 | vhaarr | hah, yeah |
| 10:41.37 | vhaarr | "The free world appears to be uncowed by Microsoft's claims." |
| 10:43.14 | *** join/#wowace beerke (n=beerke@5353E179.cable.casema.nl) |
| 10:44.11 | sylvanaar | do any of you guys get why i wanted a ##LoadsWith: Client, or some other way to tell the game to load a LoD addon at startup? |
| 10:45.00 | *** join/#wowace sbu (n=sb@dslb-084-056-169-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 10:45.11 | sbu | morning |
| 10:45.13 | [Ammo] | if you want to load it at startup why use LoD? |
| 10:45.27 | sbu | I can confirm that this is actually true at the minute - If a master looter does not have the required profession when a BoP recipe drops, then that item will be unlootable. |
| 10:45.29 | sbu | haha :/ |
| 10:45.56 | sylvanaar | good question, answer is that LoD is 2 concepts: 1) Delay Loading 2) Ability to be loaded anytime |
| 10:46.15 | [Ammo] | but if you get that flag it'll always be loaded won't it |
| 10:46.18 | evl | sbu: Ouch |
| 10:46.19 | sylvanaar | however i just want #2 |
| 10:46.21 | [Ammo] | so that flag in itself is useless |
| 10:46.42 | sylvanaar | not if its disabled |
| 10:46.51 | clad|sleep | if the addon is disabled, there's no reason the user shouldn't have to log to enable it.. they disabled it explicitly |
| 10:47.09 | [Ammo] | if it's disabled it'll never be loaded anyway |
| 10:47.15 | sylvanaar | yes it will |
| 10:47.20 | sylvanaar | if its load on demand |
| 10:47.23 | nevcairiel | i dont like the idea of AceLibrary touching my disabled libs, not that we are on that topic :P |
| 10:47.27 | sylvanaar | it can be loaded in game |
| 10:47.30 | sylvanaar | delete them |
| 10:47.52 | nevcairiel | i disable some to see which addons actually still use them so i can maybe get rid of some again .. and now AL enables them again :p |
| 10:48.06 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: what? |
| 10:48.10 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel: was that changed recently? |
| 10:48.10 | vhaarr | AL doesn't enable any libraries. |
| 10:48.17 | sylvanaar | yes it doe |
| 10:48.24 | vhaarr | since when? |
| 10:48.25 | *** join/#wowace Mikk (n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 10:48.26 | sylvanaar | does, we put it in yesterday |
| 10:48.26 | [Ammo] | it did not do that before |
| 10:48.30 | [Ammo] | why? |
| 10:48.41 | sylvanaar | stops all the retarded load errors |
| 10:48.49 | sylvanaar | which are pointless |
| 10:48.56 | nevcairiel | people who use standalones should know what they do |
| 10:49.02 | [Ammo] | yeah they should |
| 10:49.03 | nevcairiel | externals for the masses |
| 10:49.03 | nevcairiel | imho. |
| 10:49.15 | [Ammo] | someone revert that change. |
| 10:49.19 | sylvanaar | seriously, thats dumb |
| 10:49.29 | evl | Why does BigWigs contain Waterfall by default? Isn't Waterfall a fancy version of Dewdrop at 110k filesize? |
| 10:49.42 | nevcairiel | implemented libs is good for like 95% of the users |
| 10:49.51 | vhaarr | evl: yeah, but it's nice, and it doesn't produce any CPU time unless it's open. |
| 10:50.07 | evl | vhaarr: arguably it produces some overhead when loading |
| 10:50.13 | vhaarr | not much |
| 10:50.16 | vhaarr | evl: but of course |
| 10:50.27 | vhaarr | evl: you can remove it, though, BW works fine without it. |
| 10:50.27 | evl | It's the only addon I have that has it bundled by default |
| 10:50.35 | evl | 40 ace addons :P |
| 10:50.38 | vhaarr | just remove it |
| 10:50.46 | evl | Will doo |
| 10:50.58 | vhaarr | "Gutierrez refuses to identify specific patents or explain how they're being infringed, lest FOSS advocates start filing challenges to them." |
| 10:51.01 | vhaarr | ckknight: ^ |
| 10:51.19 | ckknight | right |
| 10:51.22 | clad|work | sylvanaar: What I don't understand is, if the addon is Disabled... and you LoadAddOn() it won't enable it, correct? |
| 10:51.28 | sylvanaar | it stops your addon from failing to load because the user didnt enable the right libraries, and since your addon itself isnt load on demand, lol you have to reload ui |
| 10:51.34 | sylvanaar | clad|work it will |
| 10:51.39 | sylvanaar | wait |
| 10:51.42 | clad|work | I would classify that as a bug, then. |
| 10:51.57 | clad|work | a disabled addon should never be allowed to be loaded without an EXPLICIT EnableAddOn() |
| 10:51.59 | vhaarr | you should have to EnableAddOn |
| 10:52.00 | nevcairiel | again, stand alone libs should simply not be used if the user does now know what he is doing with his libs. |
| 10:52.01 | sylvanaar | you can EnableAddOn() then LoadAddOn() |
| 10:52.02 | ckknight | vhaarr: I like how they are using the term "the free world". Clever marketing, if you ask me |
| 10:52.06 | sylvanaar | sorry |
| 10:52.22 | [Ammo] | acelibrary seems to do EnableAddOn and then LoadAddOn now |
| 10:52.22 | clad|work | okay |
| 10:52.34 | clad|work | This is for ACP, no? |
| 10:52.34 | sylvanaar | but you cant unless you are flagged LoadOnDemand=1 |
| 10:52.34 | vhaarr | ckknight: at first it seemed like CNN was on MS's side here, but I'm not sure. |
| 10:52.35 | [Ammo] | which is sucky for reasons nevcairiel posted above |
| 10:52.51 | ckknight | vhaarr: I figure that CNN took a rather neutral approach to it all. |
| 10:52.55 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 10:52.56 | nevcairiel | only because WAU makes it "easy" for users to use stand alones, it still is not designed for every stupid user out there. |
| 10:52.58 | sylvanaar | no, its for everything, almost any mod could benefit |
| 10:53.03 | [Ammo] | if I disable some lib I want it disabled, not enabled by acelibrary again |
| 10:53.08 | ckknight | used RMS' and Moglen's words instead of their own. |
| 10:53.18 | clad|work | sylvanaar: again, i'm not convinced of that. |
| 10:53.38 | sylvanaar | you like reloadui? |
| 10:53.48 | clad|work | well, the entire UI is built around it |
| 10:53.48 | clad|work | so yeah |
| 10:53.50 | clad|work | i do |
| 10:53.50 | vhaarr | anyway, groklaw has a good list of reasons why people shouldn't worry. |
| 10:53.55 | sylvanaar | this makes it obsolete |
| 10:53.59 | clad|work | no it doesn't. |
| 10:54.03 | sylvanaar | yes it does |
| 10:54.06 | clad|work | it make it obsolete for SPECIFIC casdes |
| 10:54.06 | vhaarr | "The Pentagon uses FOSS. Is Microsoft going to sue the Pentagon? If it did, would it win? Even SCO knew better than to follow through with its threats to the Pentagon, and they are dumb as rocks." |
| 10:54.08 | clad|work | which aren't currently coded for |
| 10:54.09 | ckknight | no it doesn't |
| 10:54.09 | sylvanaar | no |
| 10:54.10 | dodgizzla | Rabbit season! |
| 10:54.42 | *** join/#wowace _DvdKhl_ (i=DvdKhl@p508A626E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:54.51 | dodgizzla | Actually I wanted to point out how this reads atm and not that I wanted to hunt vhaarr :> |
| 10:54.59 | clad|work | sylvanaar: No matter how much you THINK this solves a problem for all addons, addons would have to be specifically written to take advantage of this. |
| 10:55.00 | sylvanaar | what specific cases, if you can get LoadOnDemand = 1, and still get the client to load you at startup if you are enabled |
| 10:55.01 | clad|work | period. |
| 10:55.19 | clad|work | when does LoadsWith: Client load it? |
| 10:55.23 | clad|work | at what point in the load order? |
| 10:55.31 | sylvanaar | The normal one |
| 10:55.52 | nevcairiel | Client loads first, then your Addon. |
| 10:56.01 | clad|work | so they'd all be first |
| 10:56.03 | clad|work | which isn't normal |
| 10:56.05 | sylvanaar | no |
| 10:56.06 | clad|work | or they'd all be last |
| 10:56.19 | clad|work | or you just want it to be considered a "normal" addon, at which point .. you should make it a normal addon. |
| 10:56.41 | nevcairiel | Once it reaches Client, it will load all Deps and OptDeps of Client, then Client itself, then all addons "LoadWith: Client" |
| 10:56.47 | sylvanaar | no, i want the ability to load it without reload ui |
| 10:57.11 | clad|work | I know what you want |
| 10:57.26 | clad|work | I just don't think it matters |
| 10:57.36 | nevcairiel | users install an addon. they enable it, and they are happy with it. a normal user does not tinker with his addons all day. they are just happy when it works and they can play |
| 10:57.49 | clad|work | a user that does |
| 10:57.51 | clad|work | deals with teh consequences |
| 10:58.04 | clad|work | you can only code against self-inflicted problems to a point |
| 10:58.25 | sylvanaar | its not a 'problem' |
| 10:58.26 | clad|work | wouldn't the simpler solution be to ask slouken to do the Enable/.Disable scan before the Addon list scan? |
| 10:58.33 | clad|work | i mean |
| 10:58.39 | clad|work | why invent a scheme around it |
| 10:58.42 | clad|work | when thats the issue. |
| 10:59.07 | clad|work | hrm |
| 10:59.10 | clad|work | strike that |
| 10:59.16 | clad|work | software patents are silly |
| 10:59.43 | ckknight | you're a silly goose |
| 11:00.21 | clad|work | i've been told that before :P |
| 11:00.29 | clad|work | sylvanaar: I guess I'm just not convinced its a problem. |
| 11:00.34 | clad|work | and I'm not sure slouken will be either |
| 11:00.38 | clad|work | but asking is the only way to know.l |
| 11:01.00 | clad|work | you need to be absolutely and 100% crystal clear when presenting your case.. he doesn't really come back for clarification very often =) |
| 11:01.16 | sylvanaar | Ill give you an example of how its useful. Say I have auctioneer disabled. But now, i want to use it. You are saying that you dont see how being able to load it without reload ui wouldnt be useful? |
| 11:01.27 | clad|work | i know how its useful. |
| 11:01.29 | clad|work | but you know what |
| 11:01.32 | clad|work | they already solve that with Stubby |
| 11:01.37 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:01.47 | nevcairiel | stubby owns you. |
| 11:01.52 | sylvanaar | stubby wasnt enabled either |
| 11:01.58 | clad|work | then the use deals with it |
| 11:02.00 | clad|work | and freaking logs. |
| 11:02.01 | sylvanaar | because i am a typical user |
| 11:02.05 | clad|work | no you're not |
| 11:02.09 | clad|work | get that out of your head right now. |
| 11:02.15 | nevcairiel | a typical user does not disable any addons. |
| 11:02.16 | evl | Greee |
| 11:02.22 | evl | WTB name of new blizzard project |
| 11:02.26 | clad|work | you're coming from a false pretense. |
| 11:02.30 | evl | The suspense is agonizing |
| 11:02.42 | nevcairiel | a name would make you happy? |
| 11:02.52 | evl | infact, yes |
| 11:02.52 | clad|work | the name reveals a reasonable amount |
| 11:02.54 | clad|work | in theory :P |
| 11:03.16 | *** part/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:03.18 | Sais | "bob"? |
| 11:03.29 | nevcairiel | The Bob Game! |
| 11:03.29 | clad|work | sylvanaar: basically, why dont you always enable Load out of Date Addons |
| 11:03.33 | sylvanaar | ok, step 1 for blizzard tech support "disable all 3rd party addons" |
| 11:03.39 | clad|work | since the users you're considering a.) don't exist, and b.) are absolute idiots. |
| 11:03.46 | clad|work | they don't ask you to disable |
| 11:03.53 | clad|work | they ask you to remove any custom interfaces |
| 11:03.56 | clad|work | in most cases :P |
| 11:03.59 | nevcairiel | heh yeah |
| 11:04.02 | sylvanaar | no, its quite clear |
| 11:04.04 | clad|work | if they say disable, then the user knows exactly how to enable them. |
| 11:04.08 | Leialyn | ckknight: At PittBull: Can you clear the castbar Icon when switching units? atm when you switch target and your old target was casting something, you still have the castbar icon on your new target if it doesn't cast. |
| 11:04.12 | clad|work | by clicking the magic "enable all" button next to "disable all" |
| 11:04.34 | *** join/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:04.36 | nevcairiel | Leialyn: i saw a fix for that yesterday, are you sure thats still happening? |
| 11:05.10 | *** part/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:05.20 | Leialyn | nevcairiel: I'm at latest revision and still have it now |
| 11:05.47 | nevcairiel | guess the fix didnt work :) |
| 11:06.02 | nevcairiel | i noticed that issue too, but didnt play since then |
| 11:06.07 | Leialyn | ^^ |
| 11:06.17 | *** join/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:06.37 | Leialyn | you gonna look into it nev? |
| 11:06.53 | nevcairiel | i can throw rocks at ckknight until he fixed it |
| 11:07.27 | sylvanaar | I dont see why you would find this not useful. less of a case was made for the loadmanagers, in fact hardly any |
| 11:07.55 | TheKarn | Antiarc, you around? |
| 11:08.00 | TheKarn | that goes for Antiarc|Wor1 aswell |
| 11:08.18 | clad|shower | sylvanaar: then ask? |
| 11:08.19 | clad|shower | stop asking here |
| 11:08.22 | clad|shower | O.o |
| 11:08.40 | *** part/#wowace Mikk (n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 11:08.50 | sylvanaar | i asked here twice |
| 11:09.00 | clad|shower | and each was an extensive conversation |
| 11:09.05 | clad|shower | this mornign you asked again for validation |
| 11:09.10 | clad|shower | slouken has been posting on the forums for the past two days |
| 11:09.13 | clad|shower | he could have answered you already |
| 11:09.17 | clad|shower | I'm just saying |
| 11:09.32 | clad|shower | you seem convinced that the world needs this, and nothing will sway your thoughts on that |
| 11:10.02 | clad|shower | clad|shower: is that clad-show-er or clad-shower |
| 11:10.04 | clad|shower | WEIRDO |
| 11:10.19 | clad|shower | ooh new link to RTFM at people: http://lua-users.org/files/wiki_insecure/users/thomasl/luarefv51.pdf |
| 11:10.23 | sylvanaar | and this of course incites you to argue with me i suppose |
| 11:10.38 | clad|shower | I'm not arguing with you |
| 11:10.41 | clad|shower | Im' being argumentative |
| 11:10.48 | clad|shower | so when you're asked to explain why its important |
| 11:10.49 | clad|shower | you have answers |
| 11:11.02 | clad|shower | I said that from the start of the conversation last night |
| 11:11.08 | nevcairiel | hey thats a great mini-reference |
| 11:11.11 | TheKarn | why is what important? |
| 11:11.19 | clad|shower | lol |
| 11:11.21 | clad|shower | i'm off to the shower |
| 11:11.27 | TheKarn | good choice |
| 11:11.34 | clad|shower | sylvanaar: seriously.. if you think its that important, post a concise reasoning for it, and request it |
| 11:11.40 | clad|shower | the worst that happens is slouken says no. |
| 11:12.11 | clad|shower | I personally don't see much use in it, because its trying to solve a human issue with code, imho |
| 11:12.11 | CIA-23 | 03darchon * r35414 10sRaidFrames/ (4 files): sRaidFrames: Added localization strings for GroupFilter |
| 11:12.18 | clad|shower | hopefully slouken sees the use in it. |
| 11:12.57 | sylvanaar | i dont know, the need to reloadui is artificial, whats the point in preserving it |
| 11:13.32 | nevcairiel | reloadui is good for everyone, keeps the garbage away :) |
| 11:13.37 | [Ammo] | a reloadUI loads things in the correct order as well |
| 11:13.41 | [Ammo] | which helps testing a bit better |
| 11:13.57 | sylvanaar | thats what i want the flag to do |
| 11:14.10 | sylvanaar | if i am enabled, load me at my normal time |
| 11:14.28 | sylvanaar | if not, dont, but let me load later |
| 11:14.44 | TheKarn | I have a flag :) [->|<-] |
| 11:14.55 | nevcairiel | thats a good one |
| 11:15.21 | TheKarn | tyvm:) took me a min or so to work out how to do the union jack :( |
| 11:15.33 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 11:16.39 | TheKarn | [--|--] England :) |
| 11:16.52 | Angry_Dwarf | can someone point me to the pitbull thread? |
| 11:17.04 | Angry_Dwarf | lol |
| 11:17.14 | [Ammo] | it's quite clear in the unitframes subforum |
| 11:17.15 | TheKarn | ~nevcairiel |
| 11:17.28 | purl | [nevcairiel] awesome. |
| 11:17.28 | Fisker- | Is there any criteria for when the wowace wiki suddenly decides to put a <code> box around stuff? |
| 11:17.36 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5848.0 |
| 11:17.50 | nevcairiel | interesting, who put that in there |
| 11:18.26 | Angry_Dwarf | thanks |
| 11:18.27 | TheKarn | ~literal nevairiel |
| 11:18.32 | TheKarn | ~literal nevcairiel |
| 11:18.34 | purl | "nevcairiel" is "awesome." |
| 11:18.51 | TheKarn | i love that |
| 11:18.55 | TheKarn | "awesome." |
| 11:19.14 | TheKarn | purl, no nevcairiel is 'awesome' |
| 11:19.16 | purl | TheKarn: okay |
| 11:19.17 | CIA-23 | 03phyber * r35415 10XPBarNone/Core.lua: |
| 11:19.17 | CIA-23 | XPBarNone: |
| 11:19.17 | CIA-23 | - Check for FACTION update a little earlier in self:COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE() |
| 11:19.23 | TheKarn | needs the quotes imo |
| 11:19.30 | TheKarn | ~wtf nevcairiel |
| 11:19.42 | Industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 11:19.44 | purl | Mikma says I CBA, guess hes right. |
| 11:19.44 | *** join/#wowace JoshBorke (n=Josh@r54h77.res.gatech.edu) |
| 11:19.46 | TheKarn | ~nevcairiel |
| 11:19.47 | purl | hmm... nevcairiel is 'awesome' |
| 11:19.58 | nevcairiel | now you broke it |
| 11:20.05 | TheKarn | nah |
| 11:20.14 | TheKarn | you are not awesome, you are "awesome" |
| 11:20.31 | TheKarn | ~thekarn |
| 11:20.34 | purl | I'm a banana! |
| 11:20.38 | TheKarn | wtf? |
| 11:20.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:20.57 | TheKarn | ~emulate thekarn |
| 11:20.59 | purl | i think i followed through... |
| 11:21.03 | TheKarn | ... |
| 11:21.09 | TheKarn | someone's been messing :( |
| 11:21.24 | TheKarn | no pun intended |
| 11:28.32 | *** join/#wowace ag` (n=ag`@0x535f749b.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 11:29.03 | SunTiger | Industrial, i need your help. |
| 11:29.09 | Fisker- | btw sylvanaar |
| 11:29.50 | Industrial | SunTiger: to the batmobiel! |
| 11:29.58 | Industrial | =D sup? |
| 11:30.02 | Wogroipl_ | ag`: if I scale agUF to 140%, my max health isn't shown anymore :( |
| 11:30.15 | SunTiger | I need an anime to watch. |
| 11:30.32 | *** join/#wowace josh|ma (n=chatzill@Tc9df.t.pppool.de) |
| 11:30.35 | SunTiger | Wogroipl_, try another theme. |
| 11:31.02 | Industrial | http://koen.it/~tom/anime |
| 11:31.03 | Industrial | =D |
| 11:31.13 | Wogroipl_ | I scaled down to 135% and it was ok , but I'd like them to be at 140% |
| 11:31.27 | SunTiger | ah |
| 11:31.28 | Industrial | ^mobile suit gundam .+$ |
| 11:31.28 | *** join/#wowace rophy (n=Miranda@220-132-204-186.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 11:31.30 | SunTiger | wonderfull. |
| 11:32.30 | SunTiger | Neon Genesis Evangelion (OH MY GOD IM COMING INSIDE A GIANT ROBOT ITS DIVINE!!) |
| 11:32.34 | SunTiger | best review ever! |
| 11:33.27 | Industrial | Bleach (look at my level two sword (??) its a triangle!) |
| 11:33.36 | SunTiger | lol |
| 11:34.01 | evl | He's reviwing anime and hasn't watched Rurouni Kenshin OVA yet, good fucking game :D |
| 11:34.22 | SunTiger | hey, i like bleach, better then naruto anyway. |
| 11:35.35 | Industrial | evl: is that the school fighting whee tits + panty * 200? |
| 11:35.50 | evl | No, it's the anime where absolutely everyoen dies |
| 11:35.52 | evl | but it's still okay |
| 11:35.54 | Elkano | he also didn't watch "Jungle wa itsumo hale nochi Guu" :/ |
| 11:36.02 | evl | and he never gets the girl cause he accidentially kills her too |
| 11:36.11 | Industrial | lal |
| 11:36.17 | evl | before he kills his arch enemy who also kills him |
| 11:36.35 | SunTiger | evl, everyone dies: you mean elven leid ? |
| 11:36.41 | evl | can we stop talking about anime now, I just get flashbacks to Ming's dueling video which was a 11 out of 10 on my emo scale |
| 11:36.51 | SunTiger | elfen* |
| 11:36.56 | evl | "To the rogue community, I will always protect you" |
| 11:36.56 | Elkano | reminds me I wanted to watch Basilisk |
| 11:36.59 | evl | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 11:37.26 | Elkano | oh, Elfen Lied ^^ |
| 11:38.04 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.10 | Industrial | slice slice |
| 11:38.11 | SunTiger | first minute, limbs getting torn off, deflecting bullets, people die. |
| 11:38.16 | SunTiger | sets the tone nicely for the rest. |
| 11:38.26 | Industrial | yeah but then it sucks |
| 11:38.28 | Industrial | :( |
| 11:38.36 | *** join/#wowace Chompers (n=Chomp@cpc1-cove7-0-0-cust955.brhm.cable.ntl.com) |
| 11:38.44 | Tekkub | yea I deleted that show after the first minute |
| 11:38.49 | Elkano | btw, I don't know if you should watch the other .hack series before //root, haven't seen thatone, yet |
| 11:39.05 | Industrial | yes im waiting with that one |
| 11:39.06 | Tekkub | which, dusk? |
| 11:39.24 | JoshBorke | i liked Elfen leid, it gets better |
| 11:39.28 | Elkano | dusk, sign, liminality, gift, ... |
| 11:39.37 | Tekkub | gift? |
| 11:39.45 | Elkano | only 1 episode ^^ |
| 11:40.01 | Elkano | and there was another special, too... something with o |
| 11:40.09 | Tekkub | oh yea the omake |
| 11:41.06 | TheKarn | anyone know of a lightweight text editor that supports syntax highlighting and code folding for PHP, Python and LUA? |
| 11:41.35 | Industrial | vim \o/ |
| 11:41.36 | Elkano | ScyTe? |
| 11:41.42 | *** join/#wowace Dekuna (n=Dek@rrcs-24-173-17-197.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 11:41.43 | SunTiger | Industrial, he said light weight |
| 11:41.48 | Tekkub | scite |
| 11:41.52 | Industrial | vims pretty light |
| 11:41.53 | SunTiger | he did not say, more features then i can possible ever concieve |
| 11:41.59 | TheKarn | lol |
| 11:42.00 | Industrial | thats emacs. |
| 11:42.04 | Industrial | ZING |
| 11:42.04 | TheKarn | oooh |
| 11:42.06 | Industrial | =D |
| 11:42.10 | Tekkub | six, /barf |
| 11:42.13 | SunTiger | nonono, emacs isn't a text editor |
| 11:42.18 | SunTiger | its an OS. |
| 11:42.26 | Elkano | ~emacs |
| 11:42.48 | purl | emacs is, like, as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it |
| 11:42.48 | krka | actually it isn't |
| 11:42.48 | Industrial | emacs can bake you a pie |
| 11:42.48 | SunTiger | YET |
| 11:42.49 | Elkano | emacs is turning complete |
| 11:42.49 | krka | it lacks many of the functions that an OS is supposed to do |
| 11:42.50 | Industrial | but emacs can bake you a pie |
| 11:42.52 | Tekkub | name one! |
| 11:42.53 | Elkano | s /turning/turing/ |
| 11:43.22 | krka | An operating system (OS) is a set of computer programs that manage the hardware and software resources of a computer. An operating system processes raw system and user input and responds by allocating and managing tasks and internal system resources as a service to users and programs of the system. At the foundation of all system software, an operating system performs basic tasks such as controlling and allocating memory, prioritizing system |
| 11:43.28 | krka | emacs doesn't really do those things |
| 11:43.30 | krka | (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system ) |
| 11:43.33 | sylvanaar | Fisker- were you saying something |
| 11:43.39 | Elkano | krka, it may lack it by default but that doesn't mean it can't handle it. turing complete is turing complete ;) |
| 11:43.40 | SunTiger | krka, sarcasm ? |
| 11:43.50 | Tekkub | "An operating system processes raw system and user input and responds by allocating and managing tasks..." sounds like emacs to me |
| 11:44.11 | TheKarn | in the Red corner ... weighing in at 19.5MB is emacs, and in the Blue corner ... weighing in at 8.05MB is VIM |
| 11:44.57 | Elkano | you could put some TB of Win vista in the ring, too ;) |
| 11:44.57 | TheKarn | lol |
| 11:46.08 | Fisker- | Yeah just wanted to let you that i put up a sandbox for the prat docs |
| 11:46.08 | Fisker- | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Prat/Integrated_Modules/Sandbox |
| 11:46.28 | Industrial | ed |
| 11:46.33 | Industrial | lightweight :D |
| 11:48.13 | Stephmw | TheKarn: butbut, you're comparing apples and oranges |
| 11:48.31 | Stephmw | TheKarn: Emacs is clearly an OS, Vim is just some pesky editor |
| 11:48.56 | SunTiger | and the super lightweight section |
| 11:49.07 | SunTiger | Context, coming in at 1.59MB |
| 11:49.38 | Stephmw | TheKarn: oh, you already went through all this :D |
| 11:49.52 | Tekkub | Scite is 474 KiB |
| 11:49.58 | SunTiger | hmmm |
| 11:50.16 | SunTiger | hard to argue with that. |
| 11:50.53 | Tekkub | oh and that's the single standalone version there :) |
| 11:50.54 | TheKarn | lol |
| 11:50.56 | *** join/#wowace Gnarfoz (i=smallbra@unaffiliated/gnarfoz) |
| 11:51.01 | TheKarn | SunTiger, no code folding support :P |
| 11:51.03 | Tekkub | no install or dlls or anything to deal with |
| 11:51.07 | SunTiger | i know |
| 11:51.11 | SunTiger | but its my editor of choice |
| 11:51.14 | Tekkub | scite flods :) |
| 11:51.16 | SunTiger | code folding is over rated. |
| 11:51.21 | Elkano | <3 Explosm |
| 11:51.25 | Tekkub | folds even |
| 11:51.43 | SunTiger | i'm not sure what flodding is, but I am intrigued. |
| 11:51.48 | TheKarn | lol |
| 11:51.57 | TheKarn | yeah i might go to Scite again |
| 11:52.29 | Industrial | once you go vim.. |
| 11:52.39 | Gnarfoz | you go crazy |
| 11:52.46 | TheKarn | lol i just installed vim |
| 11:52.48 | Industrial | there is no turning back :D |
| 11:52.58 | TheKarn | personally i prefer using vim when i have to use a console |
| 11:53.00 | SunTiger | once you go VIM the negative karma really starts pooring in. |
| 11:53.15 | sylvanaar | Fisker- cool, that looks great! |
| 11:53.22 | Elkano | well, I'll be hadding to my japanese lessons... l8ers guys'n'girls |
| 11:53.44 | Gnarfoz | try heading to english, on the way ;) |
| 11:53.57 | SunTiger | who needs to know japanese as long as we have subbing groups. |
| 11:54.07 | Industrial | ;p |
| 11:54.15 | Industrial | go live in japan |
| 11:54.17 | Industrial | :D |
| 11:54.25 | sylvanaar | now i remember why I hate posting on the bliz forum, by the time i have typed my message, it logs me out, andwhen i enter my pass, it deletes all the message text i typed |
| 11:54.33 | Elkano | typos are only small presents for you Gnarfoz ;) |
| 11:54.41 | SunTiger | Only if i can have a subbing group implanted in my head to subtitle all the people living there. |
| 11:54.42 | Gnarfoz | Elkano: ;-p |
| 11:54.48 | krka | you write posts directly online? |
| 11:54.55 | krka | i didn't think anyone did that for long posts |
| 11:54.58 | Gnarfoz | madness! |
| 11:55.28 | sylvanaar | i do yeah |
| 11:55.36 | sylvanaar | i use preview alot oo |
| 11:55.40 | *** join/#wowace Josh_Borke (n=jk275@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 11:55.51 | *** join/#wowace duaiwe (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 11:59.17 | evl | http://www.ampedesports.com/news/3511/Blizzard-Strikes-Again-Top-Teams-DQed/ |
| 12:02.29 | Industrial | meh |
| 12:08.18 | *** join/#wowace Hjalte (i=Hjalte@0x57346a3a.svgnxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 12:09.05 | Tekkub | found me a wallpaper for the laptop |
| 12:09.05 | Tekkub | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/55289032/ |
| 12:09.06 | Tekkub | :) |
| 12:09.18 | Dynom | I need a gut wallpaper also |
| 12:09.25 | Dynom | but my desktop is kinda big for most |
| 12:10.13 | Fisker- | about time evl |
| 12:10.28 | evl | Sucks to be them but really |
| 12:10.37 | evl | I understand blizz, zero tolerance against ebayers is the only way to go |
| 12:11.02 | nevcairiel | yup |
| 12:11.53 | nevcairiel | anyway, going home, bbl |
| 12:11.58 | Dynom | bb |
| 12:11.59 | Fisker- | There are(or were) also cheating teams that made it |
| 12:13.31 | krka | heh, people expect a mmorpg to become an esport? |
| 12:13.32 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 12:13.39 | *** join/#wowace kenlyric (n=kenlyric@iu-itpo-vreris.itpo.iu.edu) |
| 12:14.42 | Fisker- | doh |
| 12:14.48 | Fisker- | "What's the macro for the equip command" |
| 12:14.50 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 12:15.08 | sylvanaar | evl they are silently tolerant of ebayers |
| 12:16.16 | evl | well it's a difference there, they on one side have no means to reveal ALL of them because of the amount of people not having correct account information |
| 12:16.44 | evl | on the other side this is a public showcase of the WoW game and Blizzard, they can't let anyone with < 100% correct account information participate |
| 12:17.29 | sbu | evl: ack |
| 12:18.04 | sylvanaar | yeah, physical presence |
| 12:18.21 | evl | And by doing it this way they send a much clearer signal |
| 12:18.47 | evl | "sure we don't have the capacity to take out all gold farmers, ebayers etc. but IF you want to play in the top league you better have your shit in order" |
| 12:18.57 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 12:19.11 | *** join/#wowace Jens (i=Jens@pdpc/supporter/active/Jens) |
| 12:19.19 | evl | which creates a wonderful ripple effect for blizzard ofc :) |
| 12:21.09 | sylvanaar | you think its positive or youare bein sarcastic? |
| 12:22.18 | sylvanaar | that article is wrong tho - you can update the address, email, phone, just not the name |
| 12:22.32 | evl | If blizzard wanted people to freely trade accounts they would enable you to change the account information but they don't want it's their game so no, i'm not being sarcastic I think it's good that they're dealing with the growing problem with a bit more psychological approach |
| 12:25.08 | *** join/#wowace duaiwe (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 12:26.40 | Tekkub | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/38991589/ |
| 12:26.52 | Tekkub | too bad I don't run 4:3 on both monitors anymore |
| 12:30.34 | sbu | lol |
| 12:32.30 | *** join/#wowace UnType (n=cool@host-85-27-88-173.brutele.be) |
| 12:33.40 | Angry_Dwarf | so when you disable pitbull the minimap button goes away.. how do you re-enable it? =p |
| 12:33.59 | [Ammo] | Angry_Dwarf: type: /pit |
| 12:33.59 | [Ammo] | afaik |
| 12:34.26 | Angry_Dwarf | not recognized |
| 12:36.29 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 12:36.59 | wobin | hm |
| 12:37.17 | wobin | I guess the only auctioneer style thing aced is KcI? |
| 12:37.42 | kenlyric | yes. |
| 12:38.18 | wobin | still Ace1? =) |
| 12:38.45 | kenlyric | yes |
| 12:38.49 | wobin | Angry_Dwarf: /ace enable pitbull |
| 12:38.54 | kenlyric | kci2 is in the svn, i guess. |
| 12:39.07 | Angry_Dwarf | pitbull is already enabled =p |
| 12:39.32 | kenlyric | I dunno if /pit is the command. I know /pb is |
| 12:39.57 | Angry_Dwarf | yeah I tried everything I can think of /pitbull /pit /pb /pbull |
| 12:39.59 | Angry_Dwarf | won't recognize |
| 12:40.24 | kenlyric | guess it didn't load then :) |
| 12:40.24 | Angry_Dwarf | strange will try restarting client |
| 12:40.46 | *** join/#wowace art3mis (n=art3mis@ool-18b9f13e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 12:43.14 | Angry_Dwarf | yeah I dunno, it's enabled according to ace and addons menu, but no minimap icon and no slash commands recognized |
| 12:43.24 | Angry_Dwarf | I think maybe the disable option works too well haha |
| 12:43.54 | vhaarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.40 | Angry_Dwarf | that did it |
| 12:44.44 | Angry_Dwarf | thanks mate |
| 12:51.48 | *** join/#wowace knarf- (n=knarf@87.239.71.35) |
| 12:58.18 | *** join/#wowace Dekuna (n=Dek@rrcs-24-173-17-197.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 13:00.04 | SunTiger | vhaarr, that was a bit hackey |
| 13:00.51 | ag` | hay vhaarr, ping |
| 13:01.08 | vhaarr | SunTiger: blame ckknight for not removing the "Enabled" option in his dewdrop. |
| 13:01.17 | vhaarr | which he should do if he doesn't provide a slash command in OnInit |
| 13:01.19 | vhaarr | ag`: pong |
| 13:01.26 | SunTiger | following your own api! |
| 13:01.35 | vhaarr | my api? |
| 13:01.36 | *** join/#wowace duaiwe (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 13:02.02 | ag` | vhaarr: the string problem with stuff getting cut off, it's not an aguf bug. It's a general bug, probably by blizzard, happens with putbull too |
| 13:02.13 | ag` | and it seems related to scale |
| 13:02.19 | ag` | and right aligned strings |
| 13:02.22 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5975.new#new |
| 13:02.23 | Industrial | i dont understand the fuss |
| 13:02.24 | Industrial | when you have 20+ libraries why on earth try to manage them when blizz can do it with LOD and deps? |
| 13:03.11 | vhaarr | ag`: crap |
| 13:03.26 | Industrial | dependancies and lod addons in the tocs are there for a reason, whoever said dependancies is bad should be stabbed |
| 13:03.41 | ag` | vhaarr: feel free to report it the appropriate place, I don't know who needs to know about it |
| 13:03.54 | ag` | vhaarr: also, I'd like to know if you still have any problems |
| 13:04.03 | ag` | vhaarr: as I think I fixed them yesterday |
| 13:04.11 | sylvanaar | Industrial until you can work embedded libs into your argument you wont make alot of headway |
| 13:04.54 | Industrial | sylvanaar: why embed |
| 13:04.58 | Industrial | thats my argument |
| 13:05.26 | vhaarr | ag`: haven't tested it yet, but judging from the commit messages it should fix my issues |
| 13:06.01 | SunTiger | why would you WANT to manage all those addons, get the updater |
| 13:06.07 | Industrial | care less about how the Addons/ dir looks. Care more about simplicity. |
| 13:06.14 | SunTiger | download all addons without externals |
| 13:06.15 | sylvanaar | Industrial i know, but thats not an option, it has to be supported. |
| 13:06.17 | Industrial | well why cant the update manage dependancies? |
| 13:06.22 | SunTiger | grab whatever its calle dwith all the libs |
| 13:06.23 | SunTiger | done. |
| 13:07.15 | vhaarr | Industrial: indeed. |
| 13:07.25 | vhaarr | WAU should work like Kemayo's python script by default. |
| 13:07.32 | Industrial | sylvanaar: it doesnt have to be, honestly. its only a little teeny weeny more complicated for users to grasp |
| 13:07.50 | Industrial | sylvanaar: and saves alot of thinking and coding and code:P |
| 13:08.46 | *** join/#wowace dotted (n=me@0x555157c7.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 13:09.27 | [Ammo] | I hate the AceLibrary change |
| 13:09.35 | [Ammo] | now I can't disable rosterlib to test the nonrosterlib code |
| 13:09.41 | [Ammo] | I have to rename teh folder or delete it |
| 13:09.42 | [Ammo] | sigh |
| 13:09.52 | haste | :3 |
| 13:09.57 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: switch back to rogue or not? *ponder* |
| 13:10.13 | sylvanaar | patch it out on your local copy |
| 13:10.31 | [Ammo] | it should have never made it into Ace2 |
| 13:10.55 | sylvanaar | it stops every ace library related loading error |
| 13:11.07 | Industrial | lets fork Ace2 and not include the option to embed, name all libs LibName and be merry =D |
| 13:11.22 | vhaarr | I have't really seen these user errors. |
| 13:11.36 | [Ammo] | me neither |
| 13:11.40 | vhaarr | I'm going to back it out again. |
| 13:11.47 | sylvanaar | go for it |
| 13:11.53 | vhaarr | later |
| 13:11.56 | [Ammo] | if someone decides to disable a library they do so on purpose |
| 13:12.08 | kebinusan | me either, but Ive had guildmates have problems when I package up bigwigs and they ahve some outdated libraries somewhere |
| 13:12.09 | sylvanaar | thats the most user unfriendly move you could make |
| 13:12.30 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 13:13.25 | Stephmw | why not just make this behaviour configurable? |
| 13:13.37 | Industrial | oh well afk |
| 13:13.38 | Stephmw | or stick it into another addon |
| 13:13.45 | Vangual | there's no central place where one could store an acelibrary preference for this behaviour is there? |
| 13:13.56 | [Ammo] | not really |
| 13:13.59 | sylvanaar | it cant be another addon, it has to be AceLibrary |
| 13:15.11 | sylvanaar | every load failure that has "Could not find library instance of XXX" is fixed by that change |
| 13:15.31 | Stephmw | I don't understand why it can't be another addon, if it's present/enabled, autoload deps, if it isn't, don't |
| 13:15.49 | Stephmw | just bundle it in the same zip |
| 13:15.50 | sylvanaar | because the code flow is broken due to the error |
| 13:15.59 | Stephmw | load it first? |
| 13:16.32 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: those errors only occur when someone has disabled the libraries in their addon setting |
| 13:16.43 | [Ammo] | _why_ would someone do that, unless they specifically want to do that |
| 13:17.00 | sylvanaar | which happens, they disable all - then dont enable all |
| 13:17.02 | *** join/#wowace moonsorrow (n=moonsorr@HSI-KBW-085-216-057-070.hsi.kabelbw.de) |
| 13:17.10 | [Ammo] | and why does acelibrary enable them when I specifically set them to disable |
| 13:17.19 | sylvanaar | because it can |
| 13:17.22 | [Ammo] | it shouldn't |
| 13:17.27 | Stephmw | I'm also curious... how do you address mismatching addon profiles across characters? |
| 13:17.31 | [Ammo] | I told it to be disabled |
| 13:17.35 | sylvanaar | it shouldnt prevent the addon from loading |
| 13:17.39 | sylvanaar | you didnt tell it do to that |
| 13:17.46 | [Ammo] | if I untick RosterLib |
| 13:17.49 | [Ammo] | I don't want it loaded |
| 13:18.01 | sylvanaar | but you have ora2 ticked? |
| 13:18.15 | [Ammo] | no |
| 13:18.43 | sylvanaar | the change is this: libraries < addons |
| 13:18.44 | [Ammo] | I unticked a lib, I don't want it, if that causes errors, then 1. I either did something wrong 2. I'm looking for those errors specifically |
| 13:18.52 | sylvanaar | addons have precedence |
| 13:18.55 | *** join/#wowace Ani| (n=Ani@86.56.51.7) |
| 13:19.12 | sylvanaar | users enable addons |
| 13:19.22 | sylvanaar | addons use libraries |
| 13:19.31 | Stephmw | I disable libraries as that's the fastest way to disable a group of addons |
| 13:19.41 | sylvanaar | yes, but thats not what they are for |
| 13:19.45 | [Ammo] | users that use disembedded libraries should know what they're doing |
| 13:19.50 | [Ammo] | you try and make assumptions for users |
| 13:26.36 | sylvanaar | lets see - we just had industrial who was advocation all disembedded libs, vhaarr saying that a tool should handle it, and you saying that its the realm of experts |
| 13:27.01 | Stephmw | not being particularly knowledgeable about this... can AceLibrary popup to ask? |
| 13:27.15 | sylvanaar | no, that causes a load failure |
| 13:27.15 | vhaarr | it's not going to popup. |
| 13:27.38 | *** join/#wowace duaiwe (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 13:27.57 | sylvanaar | it wont popup to ask, it will just say, sorry, wont load it, /reloadui once you enable it |
| 13:28.35 | [Ammo] | my main issue with this change is that AceLibrary suddenly decides to enable my libraries regardless of what boxes I ticked in the addon list |
| 13:28.49 | sylvanaar | no, not your addons, your libraries |
| 13:29.04 | [Ammo] | read my sentence |
| 13:29.46 | [Ammo] | if I untick a library from the addon listing I clearly don't want it enabled |
| 13:30.32 | sylvanaar | 99% of the time you dont care though |
| 13:30.49 | [Ammo] | I care 100% of the time |
| 13:31.17 | [Ammo] | otherwise I would not ask for removal of this 'feature' |
| 13:31.34 | Stephmw | sylvanaar: case in point, one user already doesn't like an addon loading that he disabled: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6004.0 |
| 13:32.26 | sylvanaar | fine - take it out |
| 13:32.26 | sylvanaar | 1) ammo is never happy with anything 2) neither are users |
| 13:32.26 | Gnarfoz | since when are user's concerns valid here? ;D |
| 13:32.26 | vhaarr | Stephmw: That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. |
| 13:32.26 | wobin | hm |
| 13:32.29 | wobin | I can't seem to delete my old auction scans |
| 13:32.32 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: that I am never happy is not true |
| 13:32.44 | Stephmw | vhaarr: the behaviour is the same, even if the root cause isn't |
| 13:32.52 | [Ammo] | I manage my addons and libraries quite dilligently(sp?) and this behaviour affects me badly |
| 13:32.59 | [Ammo] | since it removes control over my addons |
| 13:33.07 | [Ammo] | s/addons/lbiraries/ |
| 13:33.10 | sylvanaar | no, you are an expert user, it does not |
| 13:33.45 | sylvanaar | you know how to control them, its just not as easy to do |
| 13:34.32 | sylvanaar | because they prefer success to failure |
| 13:35.01 | [Ammo] | the code makes an invalid assumption that it should enable regardless of user settings |
| 13:35.38 | sylvanaar | the user setting in question is the one made on the addon which causes the library to load |
| 13:36.05 | sylvanaar | that is the one that is being used vs the one on the library |
| 13:36.14 | [Ammo] | I ahve several addons with optional libs |
| 13:36.32 | [Ammo] | that only use the lib if it's available |
| 13:36.45 | [Ammo] | this change makes them available regardless |
| 13:37.22 | vhaarr | :HasInstance(name, false) won't load it. |
| 13:37.32 | vhaarr | neither will :GetInstance(name, false) |
| 13:37.44 | vhaarr | just like it has always been |
| 13:37.50 | vhaarr | "always" |
| 13:37.52 | vhaarr | but anyway |
| 13:38.39 | vhaarr | I want to fix it like this; have the behavior be the default (i.e. enable disabled libraries if needed) unless the user is checking out directly from the SVN, or even dev.wowace.com, in which case it won't do anything. |
| 13:38.45 | vhaarr | not sure that's possible, though. |
| 13:39.13 | [Ammo] | some SVN keyword that could be used? |
| 13:39.30 | vhaarr | problem is that we can't read that from lua |
| 13:39.48 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 13:39.51 | Gnarfoz | can you check for existance of files? like a .svn dir inside the addon dir? |
| 13:39.52 | sylvanaar | well, you can just have a dummy toc entry and they can put a local lua file with some global |
| 13:40.01 | vhaarr | no, that doesn't work either |
| 13:40.23 | vhaarr | sylvanaar: I know |
| 13:40.28 | vhaarr | that doesn't solve it automagically |
| 13:40.54 | sylvanaar | an external reference to dev? |
| 13:41.07 | sylvanaar | would that work? |
| 13:41.11 | [Ammo] | that would probably cause the zipscript to barf |
| 13:45.38 | omega_ | how about adding a little logic to the zip-scripts to enable/disable something, and then svn checkouts wouldn't do that |
| 13:45.58 | omega_ | granted, that has a disadvantage of not working if someone packages dists themselves to upload elsewhere |
| 13:46.56 | vhaarr | I'll just make it a setting |
| 13:47.09 | vhaarr | SVN users can toggle it without getting it overwritten anyway |
| 13:47.22 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 13:47.40 | [Ammo] | I can live with that |
| 13:50.00 | CIA-23 | 03rabbit * r35416 10Ace2/AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua: .AceLibrary: Set DONT_ENABLE_LIBRARIES at the top of AceLibrary.lua to disable automatic enabling of loadondemand libraries for :HasInstance and :GetInstance. |
| 13:51.00 | sylvanaar | options are good for keeping everyone happy |
| 13:51.05 | [Ammo] | yup |
| 13:51.08 | [Ammo] | it works |
| 13:51.51 | Tekkub | http://www.furryartpile.com/view/7125/ |
| 13:51.55 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 13:52.17 | Tekkub | it's hilarious, don't fear the word "furry" you're not gonna see wang |
| 13:52.34 | sylvanaar | rofl |
| 13:52.54 | *** join/#wowace Nightdew_ (n=Nightdew@68.143.218.130.nw.nuvox.net) |
| 13:53.03 | *** part/#wowace Nightdew_ (n=Nightdew@68.143.218.130.nw.nuvox.net) |
| 13:53.37 | *** join/#wowace duaiwe (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 13:53.40 | sylvanaar | you know i wondered why you equated furry and wang |
| 13:53.44 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.07 | Tekkub | well because everyone things all furry art is porn |
| 13:54.15 | Angry_Dwarf | it's not? |
| 13:54.18 | Tekkub | but they got some damn good comics |
| 13:54.36 | Tekkub | VGcats is furry comic, even tho the artist isn't a furry :) |
| 13:54.49 | sylvanaar | you are refering to the website as "furry" |
| 13:55.34 | sylvanaar | i have no clue what furry is other than the obvious |
| 13:56.06 | [Ammo] | ~wtf furry |
| 13:56.14 | kenlyric | should be pretty obvious :) |
| 13:56.16 | [Ammo] | purl doesn't either :) |
| 13:56.43 | kenlyric | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom |
| 13:57.16 | kebinusan | http://www.shutupandpull.com/images/avatars/51441251446482dab05509.gif |
| 13:57.52 | Tekkub | my only response is: Diabeetus |
| 13:58.05 | *** join/#wowace Chompers (n=Chomp@cpc1-cove7-0-0-cust955.brhm.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:58.17 | kebinusan | ~yiff |
| 13:58.22 | purl | somebody said yiff was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiff |
| 13:58.39 | kebinusan | purl knows somethin about it |
| 14:05.37 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 14:05.55 | *** join/#wowace Cartas (n=Cartas@host86-132-228-136.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:10.13 | CIA-23 | 03rabbit * r35417 10BigWigs_Debugger/Debugger.lua: BigWigs_Debugger: Some cleanup. |
| 14:13.30 | *** join/#wowace Necrathex (n=necra@82-171-43-202.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl) |
| 14:14.05 | *** join/#wowace Shyva (n=n0time@sd511586e.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 14:14.57 | *** join/#wowace Matrix110 (i=bla@pD957F8AD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:16.21 | vhaarr | ag`: but with the width settings you had earlier, it worked? |
| 14:16.23 | *** join/#wowace duaiwe (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 14:16.34 | vhaarr | ag`: and it's not possible to work around it in some way and still get them sized automatically? |
| 14:16.42 | vhaarr | I mean, you mentioned they had to be aligned to the right |
| 14:16.53 | vhaarr | perhaps it would be possible to wrap it in some other frame or whatever |
| 14:18.55 | ag` | vhaarr: let me think |
| 14:19.08 | vhaarr | good, because I don't know the first thing about these frames :P |
| 14:19.20 | ag` | I am not sure if it is possible to fix actually |
| 14:19.33 | vhaarr | ag`: perhaps you could explain the issue to cairenn or clad |
| 14:19.42 | vhaarr | and they can forward it to the US community |
| 14:19.46 | ag` | wrapping it in some other frame wouldn't help I think |
| 14:19.47 | ag` | yeah |
| 14:20.39 | *** join/#wowace chutwig (n=chutwig@wg-206-hill012.rutgers.edu) |
| 14:20.58 | *** join/#wowace chutwig (n=chutwig@wg-206-hill012.rutgers.edu) |
| 14:20.58 | vhaarr | ag`: anyway |
| 14:21.01 | *** join/#wowace Morgh (i=changeme@221.82-134-68.bkkb.no) |
| 14:21.01 | vhaarr | I think agUF needs a workaround |
| 14:21.07 | ag` | for what? |
| 14:21.21 | *** join/#wowace Andalia (i=xx@p54ACA69B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:21.44 | vhaarr | ag`: what's the problem, is it that some auto-width thing doesn't expand enough to make room for all the text? |
| 14:21.48 | *** join/#wowace evl (n=fuckoff@c85-196-101-98.static.sdsl.no) |
| 14:22.02 | ag` | yes, I think that is it |
| 14:22.07 | vhaarr | ag`: well |
| 14:22.09 | ag` | cause the width is not defined for the string |
| 14:22.26 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Jarentha@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 14:22.28 | vhaarr | if it's possible to get the computed width, it would be possible to multiply it by the scale |
| 14:22.29 | ag` | so it should auto set the correct width |
| 14:22.32 | vhaarr | and set it manually |
| 14:22.44 | vhaarr | perhaps that would work |
| 14:22.49 | ag` | there's a way to get string width |
| 14:23.06 | ag` | but I don't know if it gives the correct width when it is bugged |
| 14:23.12 | vhaarr | yeah, and multiply it by :GetEffectiveScale or whatever |
| 14:23.17 | ag` | maybe it will only give the shortened width |
| 14:23.32 | *** join/#wowace Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-5-133.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:24.00 | ag` | for example |
| 14:24.16 | ag` | lets say you have a string, which you limit to 100 width |
| 14:24.28 | ag` | and the string inside should be like 130 |
| 14:24.37 | ag` | it will get shortened to 100 |
| 14:24.54 | ag` | but if you then do GetStringWidth (or whatever it is called) it doesn't return 130, it returns 100 |
| 14:25.01 | vhaarr | sure? |
| 14:25.28 | ag` | pretty sure, I tried out some time to set the width of the strings manually |
| 14:25.39 | vhaarr | but anyway, "100" is autoset by WoW |
| 14:25.44 | vhaarr | because that's the width it thinks is needed |
| 14:25.52 | vhaarr | perhaps the bug is simply that it doesn't account for scale |
| 14:26.02 | vhaarr | so get the computed width, multiply by scale and apply manually |
| 14:26.47 | vhaarr | makes sense here, I have it scaled to 200%, and it only shows 50% of the content |
| 14:27.01 | vhaarr | so multiplying the computed width by scale would fix it for me |
| 14:27.18 | ag` | could be |
| 14:27.36 | [Ammo] | if you use getstringwidth you need to multiply by the scale |
| 14:27.38 | [Ammo] | or it won't work |
| 14:27.45 | [Ammo] | at least you won't get the 'real' value |
| 14:28.00 | ag` | but vhaarr, the problem is |
| 14:28.07 | vhaarr | [Ammo]: yeah that's not the problem here |
| 14:28.11 | ag` | if I set the width manually to the string |
| 14:28.23 | ag` | next time it wants to be longer, it won't be able to expand |
| 14:28.43 | vhaarr | ag`: you'll have to do it on every string update |
| 14:28.58 | ag` | how expensive is it? |
| 14:29.01 | vhaarr | I don't know |
| 14:29.15 | ag` | this could really use a fix |
| 14:29.37 | ag` | [Ammo]: have you seen it? |
| 14:29.50 | vhaarr | [Ammo] needs to read everything we've said before he comments |
| 14:30.28 | ag` | if he wants to confirm it, it happens for both pitbull or aguf, whatever he got installed |
| 14:30.31 | vhaarr | ag`: but I don't get this problem in pitbull |
| 14:30.49 | vhaarr | I'll have to check again |
| 14:30.58 | ag` | really? I could easily reproduce it the same way, by changing my scale up and down |
| 14:31.13 | vhaarr | okay, it's probably present there as well then, I just haven't noticed it |
| 14:31.54 | ag` | it's only something you see for specific scales, different for each screen resolution |
| 14:32.56 | [Ammo] | I haven't seen the problem in pitbull |
| 14:33.04 | [Ammo] | I run at 0.64 UIscale with 100% pitbull scale |
| 14:33.36 | ag` | it happens for specific scales, so to find the problem you would probably have to change the scale up and down |
| 14:33.42 | ag` | until it happens |
| 14:34.22 | ag` | ckknight would probably hate this bug too |
| 14:34.54 | undu | ~seen Sole |
| 14:36.07 | purl | sole <n=chatzill@203.109.211.96> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 10h 37m 53s ago, saying: 'im hearing children of bodom'. |
| 14:36.07 | *** join/#wowace QQngsk (n=gngsk@c-69-138-213-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 14:36.07 | *** join/#wowace Amadeo (n=amadeo@c-68-50-168-95.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 14:36.48 | Amadeo | What did Tseric do that pissed everyone off? |
| 14:37.02 | Arrowmaster | his job |
| 14:37.05 | Amadeo | haha |
| 14:37.08 | Amadeo | something recently though |
| 14:37.14 | Reality | he was kind of a dick to people who deserved it |
| 14:37.23 | Amadeo | There's a million Tseric posts |
| 14:37.26 | Reality | therefore people screaming for his resignation, zomg |
| 14:37.39 | Amadeo | He's always been a dick to everyone, it's nothing new |
| 14:38.06 | Reality | he locked a lot of threads trolling for his attention and told a few idiots to get off the internets |
| 14:38.18 | Reality | that's pretty much it |
| 14:38.21 | wobin | I reckon it's mostly the entitlement bitches that are calling for blood |
| 14:39.12 | Amadeo | I don't really agree with his forum behavior, but I know he's doing it to be popular with the kids who enjoy it |
| 14:39.12 | Fisker- | it was the CM Feedback thread |
| 14:39.40 | Fisker- | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/102816485.htm |
| 14:39.51 | Reality | honestly amadeo, the only times i've seen him be short with people is when they are specifically trolling or doing something else retarded |
| 14:40.15 | Reality | in a case like that him slapping someone down isn't that big a deal, imo |
| 14:40.31 | Amadeo | Reality: Perhaps, but even so, it's not like he's working on a hobby, this is his business |
| 14:40.40 | Reality | true |
| 14:41.00 | Reality | i don't htink i could do his job though, i'd snap at someone worse than he did and get fired instantly |
| 14:41.13 | Amadeo | He only gets away with it because it's online, if this were a face to face thing, he'd be fired or sued |
| 14:41.29 | wobin | Cause you know, the customer is always right |
| 14:41.35 | ag` | I agree trolling sucks, but seriously though, the way blizzard handles their community is so lame |
| 14:41.42 | wobin | And they pay good money to abuse the staff |
| 14:41.48 | Amadeo | haha |
| 14:41.53 | Amadeo | wobin: Yeah! :P |
| 14:41.53 | Reality | today has been rediculous though, one guy necro'd about fifty blue threads |
| 14:41.58 | ag` | they excuse discussing issues with the saying that "they do not have information to share at the moment" |
| 14:42.07 | kenlyric | I fail to see where he snaps at customers. |
| 14:42.15 | ag` | doh, then get a real dev on the board? |
| 14:42.22 | kenlyric | he snaps at trolls. They probably log into their friends accounts. |
| 14:42.40 | Amadeo | The funny thing is, people think writing to wowcmfeedback does anything |
| 14:42.40 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 14:42.47 | Reality | i agree ag that they don't seem to ever want to tell us much, but that's probably because there are a few fun examples of them actually saying stuff and then having to eat their words later |
| 14:42.53 | kenlyric | ag`: right, because you find most game companies let thier devs spout off information ahead of marketing. |
| 14:42.56 | Reality | i.e. no fear in BC |
| 14:43.06 | kenlyric | lols, nearly every time that happens, it goes badly when the content isnt' delivered. |
| 14:43.16 | Reality | after gaffes like that, no wonder they keep tightlipped about stuff |
| 14:43.18 | ag` | kenlyric: plenty of companies does it, and some doesn't |
| 14:43.29 | wobin | Doing it like that is just a hack |
| 14:43.33 | wobin | And that's never good =) |
| 14:43.52 | Amadeo | My biggest concern is the lack of community feedback from Blizzard representatives who actually understand what they're talking about...I really don't care for someone to come to the boards and try to explain something when they don't even know how the game works |
| 14:44.26 | Amadeo | I honestly see Nethaera as a troll, for example |
| 14:44.33 | Amadeo | That's like her job, to troll :P |
| 14:44.53 | wobin | That'd be a cool business card |
| 14:44.57 | kenlyric | see, this is just the right attitude http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/102816474.htm |
| 14:45.13 | kebinusan | Amadeo: I find it funny that after like 2 years there is a stratics irc discussion, I think its the first one Ive seen bliz do |
| 14:45.40 | Amadeo | kebinusan: I think Blizzard will be doing a lot of things that will be surprising lately...since a lot of new games are coming out |
| 14:45.46 | kebinusan | But sometimes, people need to be trolled honestly. Its amazing how many posts are : 'Hi Im rock, nerf paper. Scissors is fine. |
| 14:46.34 | Amadeo | I can't wait to see how Blizzard changes when other MMOs start coming out in 2008 |
| 14:46.35 | ag` | I don't mind attitude against trolls which targets CMs. But I can see why people are trolling, because how they run their community, there's no dialogue between REAL devs and players, at least nothing the players can see, and that causes a lot of frustration |
| 14:46.59 | undu | Amadeo: "16:39:12) Amadeo: He only gets away with it because it's online, if this were a face to face thing, he'd be fired or sued" If it was a face to face thing, we wouldn't have the retarded trolls. |
| 14:47.24 | wobin | That's true too |
| 14:47.36 | kenlyric | it's not like the devs can say anything more. |
| 14:48.08 | Amadeo | Yeah, the difference is, in the face-to-face scenario Blizzard would have half the customers it does now :P |
| 14:48.24 | kenlyric | and i don't get the impression that US CMs make this shit up. When they said that fear wouldn't be a major factor in TBC, that was many many months before the release. It's possible that the devs had that lofty goal then. |
| 14:48.35 | kebinusan | Well, yeah there was a post on each class forum outlining 2.1 changes and soliciting ptr concerns |
| 14:48.45 | kebinusan | but neth never responded to any class but priests |
| 14:48.57 | chutwig | and historically they do a wonderful job of not actually providing any feedback on that |
| 14:49.04 | Amadeo | kebinusan: Neth doesn't do anything anyway |
| 14:49.05 | chutwig | so nobody ever knows if they actually listened |
| 14:49.08 | undu | They don't need to respond to make note of the suggestions and forward them to devs. Ofc it makes it hard to know what they really do. |
| 14:49.10 | ag` | kebinusan: and that response was probably useless too right? |
| 14:49.31 | Amadeo | undu: They don't need to respond to do that, but they need to respond to let the community know what's going on |
| 14:49.48 | undu | Sure, but obviously they don't feel that way. :) |
| 14:49.57 | kenlyric | except when they do respond, and the devs have to change something back. |
| 14:50.01 | Amadeo | They will when the new games start coming out...watch :) |
| 14:50.06 | ag` | it would be nice to see developers like, once a month, respond to some of the issues forwarded to them |
| 14:50.30 | kenlyric | ag`: i've seen such responsed from CMs. |
| 14:50.45 | ag` | it happens rarely |
| 14:51.01 | Amadeo | it happens rarely, and only for one or two classes or other concerns |
| 14:51.13 | kebinusan | Honestly the class forums are pretty devoid of blue to the point of being stale |
| 14:51.13 | kenlyric | I imagine becaujse the devs rarely do anyting based on customer issues. |
| 14:51.17 | Amadeo | But they do |
| 14:51.21 | kebinusan | I imagine its because no matter what they say people pick it apart and cry |
| 14:51.21 | Fisker- | developers or CM's doesn't make much difference to me |
| 14:51.25 | kenlyric | Amadeo: but rarely. |
| 14:51.29 | Amadeo | You can tell based on the "QQ" changes they make :P |
| 14:51.32 | kebinusan | so they choose to say nothing |
| 14:51.33 | Fisker- | they're both just as incompetent at the game they're developing |
| 14:51.34 | Amadeo | They nerf something, everyone cries, they change it back |
| 14:51.42 | kenlyric | there are hundreds and hundreds of changes in 2.1 |
| 14:51.50 | ag` | For example priest racials have sucked forever, how hard would it be to give a clear answer, "we think they are fine", or "they could use tweaking" |
| 14:51.52 | kebinusan | Amadeo: some things certainly show a big wtf |
| 14:51.53 | kenlyric | Amadeo: really? tell that to priests, please. |
| 14:52.00 | kebinusan | take for example the spell haste changes |
| 14:52.01 | kenlyric | we've been QQing since 1.10 |
| 14:52.05 | kebinusan | the last patch buffed spell haste |
| 14:52.09 | kebinusan | now this patch is nerfing it again |
| 14:52.21 | Matrix110 | the last patch buffe dit Oo? |
| 14:52.23 | Matrix110 | huh |
| 14:52.23 | Arrowmaster | last patch buffed all haste |
| 14:52.25 | Matrix110 | where? |
| 14:52.26 | undu | Well, it's more of a change than a nerf? or did I miss something. |
| 14:52.32 | kebinusan | its a nerf |
| 14:52.36 | Arrowmaster | or not last patch but a previous patch |
| 14:52.37 | Megalon | the balancing in wow is more like binary search |
| 14:52.37 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Maybe it's just me, but I didn't think a 7% damage nerf was pretty bad when other classes received a 30%-something damage nerf :P |
| 14:52.40 | kebinusan | its being nerfed like 50% |
| 14:52.41 | undu | I mean, overall what you get is a change. If you factor in the buff and the nerf. |
| 14:52.42 | CIA-23 | 03gamefaq * r35418 10sRaidFrames/localization.deDE.lua: sRaidFrames: deDE Update |
| 14:53.07 | kenlyric | Amadeo: lol, across every patch since 2.0, shadow priests have been nerfed out hte ass and sideways. |
| 14:53.08 | undu | Since you get channeling spells with haste etc. |
| 14:53.09 | Matrix110 | well Spellhaste is nerfed but works for channeling spells aswell now(which is quite good for SPriests) |
| 14:53.19 | *** join/#wowace ulic (n=ulic@adsl-gte-la-216-86-214-215.mminternet.com) |
| 14:53.19 | undu | lol |
| 14:53.25 | undu | Annoying highlight? |
| 14:53.28 | Xuerian | Is there a changelog for this patch, or is that the whole point of the bitching at the CMs? |
| 14:53.29 | oHaste | mm :( |
| 14:53.33 | kenlyric | Amadeo: of course, they were buffed beyond reason in 2.0, so it stands to reasson :) |
| 14:53.43 | Matrix110 | Xuerian yes PTR patchnotes |
| 14:53.55 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35419 10Violation/modules/ (Healing.lua HealingTaken.lua): Violation: record effective healing only. overhealing etc will go in another module |
| 14:53.57 | Amadeo | kenlyric: haha, I don't follow Priests that much anymore...when I quit mine ages ago, they were the most powerful class in the game |
| 14:53.58 | kebinusan | And honestly my biggest complaint has been how they overnerf things... theres a problem with W, so they change x, y, and z which affect W as well as r, s, and t instead of addressing w directly |
| 14:54.38 | Matrix110 | uh nice [Ammo] |
| 14:54.56 | ag` | like changing shadow weaving and shadow word death on the same time |
| 14:55.06 | ag` | and that's after nerfing vampiric embrace |
| 14:55.26 | undu | Well, most of the times they can't really nerf something directly without making it really bad, so they just make several minor nerfs while sticking to their "vision" I believe. |
| 14:55.29 | Amadeo | The Shadow tree is a pain, they make you spend too many talent points in it |
| 14:55.35 | kebinusan | or the nerf to improved firebolt and damage scaling instead of fixing the problem of demonic knowledge affecting pets |
| 14:55.48 | *** join/#wowace duaiwe (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 14:55.51 | kenlyric | Amadeo: ? |
| 14:55.54 | ag` | Haha, it's so lame. In the 2.0 patch we got improved vampiric embrace, which added 10% for two points, and now they nerf the base talent with 10%. So in the end we get the same, for two more talent points. |
| 14:56.00 | kenlyric | you can spend 41 points in it quite well. |
| 14:56.09 | ag` | they should just remove improved VE now |
| 14:56.11 | Amadeo | kenlyric: It's just a point hog to get to high Shadow and get the things that are nice |
| 14:56.27 | kebinusan | Or look at a history of all the changes to Fear |
| 14:56.33 | kenlyric | Amadeo: that's really true of any tree where you want to get everything nice. |
| 14:56.39 | kebinusan | I dont think its gone two patches since release without being changed in some fashion |
| 14:56.40 | kenlyric | just be happy there are so many nice things :) |
| 14:56.47 | ag` | I can see why fear was changed because of the amount warlocks can spam it |
| 14:56.47 | Matrix110 | Well Shadow Priests cant have insane utility and high dps at the same time so they need a nerf, even the Shadow Priests agree to it |
| 14:56.51 | ag` | but seriously, priests can use it so rarely |
| 14:56.53 | Thorgard | Hmm.. what happened to the leatherworking specialization stuff? I don't see any leatherworking patterns that require specialization anymore. :o |
| 14:57.06 | kebinusan | ag`: so give us a form of cc thats more effective |
| 14:57.07 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Well generally classes have crappy talents that you can skip, but most of the talents in Shadow are good :P |
| 14:57.14 | kebinusan | imo they should take fear and seduce off the same DR now |
| 14:57.38 | [Ammo] | didn't they already? |
| 14:57.41 | [Ammo] | in 2.1 |
| 14:57.49 | kenlyric | seduce used to be like mind control, now it's not. |
| 14:57.54 | ag` | they should just give priest fear a 3 second horror effect. Fixed. |
| 14:58.01 | kenlyric | so you can seduce heroic humanoids. |
| 14:58.01 | Amadeo | that would be ridiculous |
| 14:58.09 | Amadeo | Fear, Fear, Seduce, Seduce, Seduce |
| 14:58.51 | kenlyric | ug. That's the number one problem with people expect them to balance this game. |
| 14:59.01 | kenlyric | people judge everyting on a 1vs1 basis. |
| 14:59.08 | Amadeo | Doesn't matter if it's 10vs1 |
| 14:59.09 | kenlyric | "warlock fear is overpowered!" meh, dispel it. |
| 14:59.14 | Amadeo | Who else has that kind of CC? |
| 14:59.26 | evl | ag`: can I patch the Violation icons and include a black background? Now they are transparent which looks sort of wierd :) |
| 14:59.28 | kenlyric | because this isn't a fucking pvp game |
| 14:59.30 | kebinusan | kenlyric: actually UA is overpowered since it essentially protects a dot stack and fear |
| 14:59.41 | kenlyric | and my fucking pve shouldn't be harassed by your inability to work in a group. |
| 14:59.51 | Amadeo | kenlyric: But it is, if it weren't, they shouldn't have included it at all :) |
| 15:00.07 | Amadeo | So you shouldn't have this "cake and eat it too" mentality about PVE :P |
| 15:00.08 | kenlyric | Amadeo: or, things should just work differently in PVP without affecting pve. |
| 15:00.14 | Amadeo | Yeah, I agree, but they're not gonna do that |
| 15:00.17 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35420 10Violation/modules/HPS.lua: Violation: use effective healing for hps as well |
| 15:00.20 | kenlyric | but they have. |
| 15:00.51 | Xuerian | PVP stole my precious noggenfogger =O |
| 15:00.51 | kenlyric | diminishing returns, shorter CC times. |
| 15:00.51 | kebinusan | you know I honestly hoped that pvp would be somewhat fixed by larger health pools in tbc |
| 15:00.51 | kebinusan | but they actually scaled up damage about the same as the stam increase |
| 15:00.51 | vhaarr | evl: No, you can not. |
| 15:00.51 | *** join/#wowace Phatrik (n=whatdahe@217-209-42-83-no89.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 15:00.52 | kebinusan | still making it a two shot fest |
| 15:00.52 | evl | [Ammo]: If you hide the Violation bars window, reset and then show it again the bars are still there |
| 15:00.53 | [Ammo] | evl: they are trasnparent because that looks good on fubar |
| 15:00.57 | kenlyric | diminishing returns should be a LOT higher in pvp. |
| 15:00.59 | Amadeo | kenlyric: It needs to be much more, like damage also |
| 15:01.00 | kenlyric | like, you get one chance. |
| 15:01.05 | [Ammo] | evl: oh hmm |
| 15:01.20 | kenlyric | especially on a spell with no cooldown. |
| 15:01.24 | kebinusan | kenlyric: then make them reliable |
| 15:01.52 | kenlyric | kebinusan: DR based on spell effect time would be great. |
| 15:01.56 | Amadeo | or just remove CC in PvP altogether :P |
| 15:02.06 | kebinusan | including stuns I approve |
| 15:02.11 | kenlyric | Any CC that lasts long than some time, maybe six seconds, can't be reapplied. |
| 15:02.29 | evl | [Ammo]: Can one supply a different icon for use on minimap? |
| 15:02.38 | kebinusan | They should let you use taunt in pvp |
| 15:02.44 | kebinusan | to change a players target |
| 15:03.02 | Amadeo | kebinusan: I don't even think stuns are a big issue anymore, and you should have a lot less trouble in 2.1 |
| 15:03.03 | kenlyric | and Fade! |
| 15:03.18 | kenlyric | I still randomly hit fade in pvp. |
| 15:03.22 | kebinusan | Amadeo: yeah Im looking forward to the pvp trinket changes, its a step in the right direction |
| 15:03.26 | kebinusan | and long overdue |
| 15:03.29 | kenlyric | I gain aggro, it's just habit. |
| 15:03.33 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35421 10Violation/Violation.lua: Violation: update the bars when showing them again |
| 15:03.34 | Amadeo | It's Cloak of Skill that bugs me :P |
| 15:03.44 | kebinusan | see |
| 15:03.49 | kebinusan | clos is a spell that is very useful pve |
| 15:03.54 | kebinusan | and is abused to piss in pvp |
| 15:04.14 | Amadeo | the 1 minute cooldown is kind of silly |
| 15:04.22 | vhaarr | evl: No, you can not. |
| 15:04.35 | kebinusan | yeah, it is, as is the fact that it doesnt count as a dispel |
| 15:04.36 | kenlyric | I think anything that makes you *immune* to shit is just dumb in pvp. |
| 15:04.36 | vhaarr | although I could add that to fbp-2.0 |
| 15:04.50 | Amadeo | they should revamp Rogues so they don't have to use tons of 1-5minute cooldowns to beat people, though |
| 15:04.55 | evl | vhaarr: Pretty much a default black background behind any icon present would be nice |
| 15:05.20 | kebinusan | Amadeo: they dont have to, least the ones that are good |
| 15:05.20 | evl | vhaarr: I don't know much about how FBP is built but maybe you could have a layer behind the actual icon |
| 15:05.24 | Amadeo | kenlyric: I smile whenever Warlocks are wasting time to Fear my Warrior when I'm immune :P |
| 15:05.27 | kebinusan | clos is like rogue training wheels |
| 15:05.42 | Amadeo | kebinusan: You'd be surprised, they generally do...assuming both classes are skilled and have equal gear |
| 15:05.44 | Kilroo | You know, it just happened to strike me as funny that it seems as if most people either REALLY want combo points shown as a graphic or REALLY want them shown as a number. |
| 15:05.53 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@65-102-142-192.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 15:06.16 | undu | Well |
| 15:06.29 | kenlyric | well, it's whatever you are used to, you really want it that way. |
| 15:06.29 | Kilroo | Then it occurred to me that the reason it seems that way is because the people who bother to comment on which is possible are going to be the ones to whom it's important. |
| 15:06.31 | kebinusan | just like deathcoil honestly at the time the horrify was added most of the warlocks I knew were like wtf overpowered |
| 15:06.34 | undu | I feel it's pointless to have text and graphics. |
| 15:06.39 | undu | >< |
| 15:06.41 | undu | Give text! |
| 15:06.42 | kebinusan | but now its kinda needed to buy a few seconds |
| 15:06.53 | Amadeo | kebinusan: Death Coil is needed, Warlocks just die when it's on CD |
| 15:07.20 | Kilroo | undu: What I meant was that you never really seem to hear anything from people who don't care which way it's displayed. Which makes sense, because they...uh...don't care. |
| 15:07.23 | kebinusan | well, it sucks as a warlock the only way to get survability is to spec deep demonology |
| 15:07.27 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 15:07.40 | Amadeo | but deep Demo and great gear means you practically can't die :P |
| 15:07.42 | [Ammo] | which in turn makes you a 0 dps HP monster |
| 15:07.46 | kebinusan | they should give all locks soul link as a damage reduction, and then make the 31pt demo talent some improved soul link that adds damage or something |
| 15:07.55 | *** join/#wowace nuoHep (i=nuoHep@85.192.55.242) |
| 15:07.56 | Arrowmaster | with deathcoil and instant howl i still get stunlocked to death before i can use them |
| 15:07.58 | kebinusan | Yeah, thats all I do in arenas |
| 15:08.02 | kenlyric | everyone should be naked and have no talent points in pvp. |
| 15:08.10 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 15:08.11 | Matrix110 | Maybe Warlocks should get a <GOD> Tag and deathtouch? |
| 15:08.15 | kebinusan | sit there with 15k hp and soak damage as everyone tries to gang bang the warlock |
| 15:08.17 | Kilroo | It also sucks as a warlock that some of the most effective stuff you can do confuses me and breaks my stunlocks. |
| 15:08.42 | Kilroo | Well, actually, that only sucks when you're grouped with me and the tank can't hold aggro. |
| 15:09.18 | kebinusan | waste 1500 mana applying dots to a rogue who just closes out of the only damage you could get off between kicks and stuns and the deadly throw pvp proc |
| 15:09.58 | [Ammo] | my best pvp macro = /laugh ; /dance |
| 15:09.59 | vhaarr | clos should be a dispel effect, so that UA procs. |
| 15:10.08 | kebinusan | vhaarr: amen |
| 15:10.14 | [Ammo] | yarr |
| 15:10.16 | [Ammo] | BOOM |
| 15:10.20 | undu | As a prot warr for over 1 year now I don't really understand the gripes most people have with PvP, as most classes own me anyways. |
| 15:10.31 | undu | Just avoid it like the plague and everything works out alright. |
| 15:10.37 | kebinusan | ugh prot warriors are rough, so many stuns and interrupts |
| 15:10.40 | kebinusan | and a ton of hp |
| 15:10.45 | undu | vs what class? |
| 15:10.53 | kenlyric | undu: I just love people who celebrate nerfs that directly affect their own raiding. |
| 15:11.49 | vhaarr | undu: you need more experience, then. |
| 15:11.49 | kebinusan | I celebrate how far warlocks have come since release |
| 15:11.56 | vhaarr | a prot warrior can kill lots of stuff. |
| 15:12.04 | kebinusan | though I miss vulnerability bonuses, they are alot less broken now |
| 15:12.21 | Matrix110 | kenlyric if you celebrate a shadow priest nerf as a mage it means mages might be able to get raiding spots:P |
| 15:12.31 | undu | vharr I never disputed that. :) |
| 15:12.45 | kenlyric | Matrix110: well, yeah, that's a different kind of celebration :) |
| 15:12.52 | kenlyric | like, when I dance on the graves of paladins. |
| 15:13.17 | kebinusan | Eh, the spriest nerf isnt a big deal since as a class with no active threat reduction you are more limited by threat than dps anyway |
| 15:13.26 | evl | [Ammo]: same when I track damge and it's visibible in tooltip, if i show bars they aren't updated |
| 15:13.36 | Kilroo | Eh. |
| 15:13.46 | Kilroo | I don't pvp if I can help it, generally. |
| 15:13.51 | [Ammo] | evl: they should be updated now |
| 15:14.06 | Kilroo | What I like is offbeat stuff like my old buddy who played a tanking mage. |
| 15:14.08 | [Ammo] | or.. hmm |
| 15:14.13 | Kinkx | 1 on 1, Prot warriors aint that bad, but in a regular pvp situation you're pretty useless as being Prot |
| 15:14.14 | kebinusan | they shoudl bring back queue as group for av |
| 15:14.27 | Matrix110 | kebinusan thats not the point, a Shadow Priest has INSANE utlitly(he supplies 4 healers with almost unlimted mana, has Misery/Shodowweaving) AND has high dps |
| 15:14.40 | [Ammo] | evl: they should be updated. |
| 15:14.50 | Matrix110 | that just cant be if a class that has shit utility get soutdpsed by such a class |
| 15:14.50 | evl | [Ammo]: as soon as someone does more damage they all refresh though |
| 15:14.51 | kenlyric | kebinusan: what do yo mean by active threat reduction? |
| 15:14.52 | Kilroo | They should bring back the old LFG system that halfway worked. |
| 15:14.59 | Kilroo | Where is was like |
| 15:15.00 | kenlyric | what other caster class has as much threat reduction as a shadow priest? |
| 15:15.01 | [Ammo] | evl: I just committed a fix |
| 15:15.01 | kebinusan | Matrix110: except that a shadowpriest is wasted on good healers who have decent regen |
| 15:15.02 | Kilroo | a channel. |
| 15:15.10 | [Ammo] | when you toggle the bars they are updated |
| 15:15.13 | undu | But vhaarr: We're not really talking about the same thing. "a prot war can kill lots of stuff" in arenas we're utterly useless, duels, who cares about duels. BG's are quite useless since arenas and then all that remains is ganking. |
| 15:15.40 | Matrix110 | kebinusan i for example switch around healers and all our healers get the effect of unlimted mana:P |
| 15:15.49 | Matrix110 | even dps when all healers are fine |
| 15:16.06 | Kilroo | Or at the very least, they should fix the current LFG system so that somebody can't scoop up auto-joiners on LFM by changing what dungeon the group is queued for, and wind up with five people who think they're going four different places. |
| 15:16.09 | kebinusan | What I mean is that what seperates pretty much every dps class from hybrid dps classes is the threat dump |
| 15:16.15 | Arrowmaster | we've been raiding with more shadow priests than holy priests lately |
| 15:16.26 | kebinusan | mages have invis, warlocks have soulshatter (when its not resisted), hunters fd, and rogues vanish/fient |
| 15:16.34 | evl | [Ammo]: nice, thanks |
| 15:16.46 | Arrowmaster | soulshatter is broken |
| 15:16.50 | kebinusan | fade doesnt really count as a threat reduction since its a temporary thing and the amount of reduction is pretty pathetic |
| 15:16.53 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: oh? |
| 15:16.56 | [Ammo] | it works fine for me |
| 15:17.09 | kebinusan | works fine for me till I see RESIST |
| 15:17.17 | Arrowmaster | i use it, check combat log and its not resisted and still have aggro |
| 15:17.39 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: That doesn't mean it doesn't work. |
| 15:17.46 | vhaarr | It just means you overaggroed by more than 20%. |
| 15:17.47 | Kilroo | Hmm. |
| 15:17.54 | kebinusan | especially with multiple mobs |
| 15:18.19 | Matrix110 | if you overaggro that far either the tank died or it was directly in the start.. |
| 15:18.20 | Arrowmaster | on single targets where everybody has ktm, ill drop down to last on ktm and still have aggro |
| 15:18.32 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: KTM is wrong, then. |
| 15:18.45 | Arrowmaster | and this is like a few minutes into the fight |
| 15:18.53 | Kinkx | What kind of mob? |
| 15:19.05 | Arrowmaster | its happened on lots of mobs for me |
| 15:19.06 | Matrix110 | orwell aggro reducing effects exist aswell:P |
| 15:19.12 | *** join/#wowace [dRaCo] (n=drc@p5485bdbf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:19.35 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: KTM assumes a certain aggrodump for soulshatter |
| 15:19.46 | [Ammo] | the real value is kinda unknown |
| 15:19.47 | CIA-23 | 03bom * r35422 10Depot/ (Depot.lua locales/Depot-deDE.lua locales/Depot-enUS.lua): |
| 15:19.47 | CIA-23 | Depot |
| 15:19.47 | CIA-23 | - adding option gradient |
| 15:19.54 | Arrowmaster | the real value is 50% |
| 15:19.55 | vhaarr | [Ammo]: 50%? |
| 15:19.56 | [Ammo] | and it wuoldn't surprise me if it can be partially resisted |
| 15:20.36 | [Ammo] | partial resists sound most likely to me |
| 15:20.52 | Iceroth | is it possible to create a macro that would turn attack on to current target but wouldn't turn it off i'd be already attacking and hit it again? |
| 15:20.53 | chutwig | soulshatter always either resists completely or not at all for me |
| 15:21.01 | undu | I dunno tbh. I'd say it's binary. Sounds unlikely to have a hidden partial. |
| 15:21.02 | [Ammo] | I've noticed soulshatter would give aggro back to the tank, and then 2 casts later I'm it again |
| 15:21.05 | Arrowmaster | Iceroth: /startattack |
| 15:21.09 | CIA-23 | 03jncl * r35423 10Skinner/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:21.09 | CIA-23 | Skinner: Skinned FrierGeist_InstanceTime |
| 15:21.09 | CIA-23 | - Changed the CastingBarFlashTexture to the selected Status Bar one |
| 15:21.10 | CIA-23 | - Allow the Backdrop settings to be changed |
| 15:21.16 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: Point is that if you get aggro, you're already at 130% of the tank aggro -- so if you're at 150%, Soulshatter won't do shit. |
| 15:21.20 | chutwig | soulshatter is a pretty stupid mechanism |
| 15:21.33 | undu | [Ammo] At what stage and what mobs? If you do it early, it's no suprise. |
| 15:21.44 | Iceroth | Arrowmaster, lol thanks, simpler than i thought |
| 15:22.02 | Arrowmaster | honestly i think its the stupid dot ticks making me keep aggro |
| 15:22.02 | [Ammo] | late stages in fights etc |
| 15:22.05 | [Ammo] | doesn't really matter |
| 15:22.18 | kenlyric | Arrowmaster: people don't bring holy priests. |
| 15:22.27 | kenlyric | they bring improved divine spirit priests. |
| 15:22.34 | [Ammo] | and vhaarr if you're at 150% then you drop to 75% of tank aggro |
| 15:22.40 | [Ammo] | since your total threat is reduced by 50% |
| 15:22.44 | vhaarr | ah, right |
| 15:22.47 | kenlyric | and only because a fifth pally buff is unnecessary. |
| 15:22.57 | [Ammo] | I really think they have partial resists on it |
| 15:23.03 | kebinusan | or at least thats how it should work yeah |
| 15:23.11 | kebinusan | ammo, kinda makes sense to me |
| 15:23.16 | [Ammo] | most of the time it works perfectly for me though |
| 15:23.21 | Arrowmaster | i think theyre just assholes and make it 0-50% random chance |
| 15:23.22 | [Ammo] | or perfect enough not to notice problems |
| 15:23.56 | [Ammo] | there is also the proximity problems ofcourse |
| 15:24.08 | [Ammo] | if you're within melee range you don't get 10% reduction in threat |
| 15:24.20 | undu | But, if a warlock goes to 130-140% and drops down to 65%-70% and goes full throttle from there because he thinks "I just dumped 50% threat, no worries" he'll be aggroing again really soon no matter what. Because warlock threat output (ofc depending on specc) is vastly greater than the warriors. |
| 15:25.42 | kebinusan | Well you also have to consider that if you steal aggro and the mob moves out of melee range of the tank then it may not just snap back to him from a soulshatter due to someone with higher threat being in melee range now |
| 15:25.47 | undu | And I'm not sure where the 20 yard range threat reduction counts from, if it's model center or hitbox edge. |
| 15:25.48 | Arrowmaster | ill use soulshatter as soon as somethings starts walking towards me and stop casting and still have things kill me |
| 15:26.34 | kebinusan | I actually have soulshatter macroed with a /stopcasting at the start so I can mash it as soon as his target changes to me |
| 15:26.41 | [Ammo] | me too |
| 15:26.55 | Arrowmaster | i should do that, if i had free macro slots |
| 15:27.21 | kebinusan | I died quite a few times before I did that from being mid cast on something |
| 15:27.52 | Arrowmaster | bah time to goto class |
| 15:29.40 | CIA-23 | 03bom * r35424 10Depot/Depot.lua: |
| 15:29.40 | CIA-23 | Depot |
| 15:29.40 | CIA-23 | - new sort in menu |
| 15:29.40 | kebinusan | yarr I spose I should go be productive |
| 15:30.27 | *** join/#wowace Gandharva (n=Miranda@dslb-084-057-037-004.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:30.58 | FrostByghte | just curious, does anyone know what methods sites like throt etc use to get all that item data? |
| 15:31.15 | FrostByghte | is it all user stuff or do they have some tools they use? |
| 15:31.28 | *** join/#wowace Antiar1 (n=Chris@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 15:31.32 | vhaarr | FrostByghte: They datamine the patches and people use addons that record data and submit to the site. |
| 15:31.34 | Antiarc | Morning folks. |
| 15:31.38 | *** join/#wowace KarlThePagan (n=andross@66.225.8.145) |
| 15:31.44 | vhaarr | ugt |
| 15:32.10 | FrostByghte | vhaarr: how do they datamine the patches? are there utils that do that? |
| 15:32.13 | *** join/#wowace Shyva (n=n0time@sd511586e.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker- | mpq readers and some other external utilities |
| 15:33.03 | Fisker- | most items are not stored in MPQ's though |
| 15:33.14 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: :[ |
| 15:33.14 | Fisker- | itemmodels and sets are though |
| 15:33.19 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz : |
| 15:33.20 | Fisker- | :( |
| 15:33.36 | Gnarfoz | I just finished gathering all the mats for Fireguard for my paladin |
| 15:33.41 | Fisker- | For live data they use the files in the WDB folder |
| 15:33.47 | Fisker- | and addons as well |
| 15:33.56 | Fisker- | yarr Gnarfoz? |
| 15:34.19 | FrostByghte | any particular addons to look for or just search around a bit? |
| 15:34.21 | TheKarn | thanks python, i now hate PHP |
| 15:34.29 | Gnarfoz | currently 69.4 or something, but I'm pondering wether to just skip the part where I can still tank shit (5man instances, maybe karazhan) and go right to holy/healing when I hit 70 |
| 15:34.37 | Fisker- | heh |
| 15:34.47 | undu | FrostByghte: What is it specifially you want to check/find out? |
| 15:34.56 | TheKarn | i want to do $obj->getArray()[key] |
| 15:34.56 | Fisker- | reminds me of a screenshot i once saw TheKarn |
| 15:35.01 | Fisker- | I was Retribution until i was done |
| 15:35.07 | Gnarfoz | which on the other hand, frees up those mats... in the case I actually don't enjoy healing as much as I enjoyed DPSing on my rogue... I'm considering switching back to my rogue... again |
| 15:35.12 | Fisker- | with all the quests and all thatt |
| 15:35.21 | zoktar | Gnarfoz u can go for the paly def set, but be ready for some 14 yo's talkin down to u ;P |
| 15:35.24 | Fisker- | so i wasn't limited by some stupid prequests and all that later on |
| 15:35.26 | TheKarn | or even more useful $obj->getChildObject($id)->method() |
| 15:35.45 | Gnarfoz | zoktar: I'm a master at flaming stuff (or people) to pieces, that shouldn't be the problem |
| 15:36.04 | FrostByghte | undu: essentially I was curious how sites like that are setup and get off the ground |
| 15:36.11 | zoktar | iv been crushing 5mans with my def paly |
| 15:36.11 | Gnarfoz | but last I read, after 10ppl instances, it's just not really viable |
| 15:36.26 | zoktar | iv just started heroic |
| 15:36.26 | Gnarfoz | *ponder* -.- |
| 15:36.31 | zoktar | and with def set i kidna get crushed |
| 15:36.47 | vhaarr | paladins can tank heroics |
| 15:36.50 | vhaarr | your healer just needs to l2p |
| 15:37.01 | undu | Well, for example all the percentages and drop locations are gathered via programs that scan your WDB files etc. |
| 15:37.02 | FrostByghte | we have a small database site for eve online, and I thought...what the hell, maybe if it isn't too major an undertaking we could cover some wow data too |
| 15:37.06 | zoktar | 2k hits with sheild up, 9k hp ;P |
| 15:37.07 | vhaarr | I'd rather have a warrior as tank, but paladins work. |
| 15:37.30 | zoktar | wtb more stam for pala def set |
| 15:37.33 | *** join/#wowace Shyva (n=n0time@sd511586e.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 15:37.34 | Megalon | paladins can also tank kara, incl. nightbane if your alliance |
| 15:37.36 | vhaarr | zoktar: 2k hits is to be expected, but 9k hp is a bit bad |
| 15:37.51 | zoktar | our set lacks hp |
| 15:38.03 | Megalon | but you got int!!11 |
| 15:38.08 | Fisker- | just remove the mana loom for gods sake |
| 15:38.10 | zoktar | i mean i got 7,9 or something, with 4/5 |
| 15:38.17 | Fisker- | what purpose does it serve other than slap me in the face? :( |
| 15:38.25 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: be pretty? |
| 15:38.48 | Fisker- | :( |
| 15:38.54 | zoktar | they say i should dump the def set and go for the fel set |
| 15:39.12 | zoktar | wtf i just spent like 1 month getting the set and i should dump it right after ? =P |
| 15:39.16 | *** join/#wowace vodrin (i=vodrin@cpc2-stre3-0-0-cust970.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 15:39.52 | Gnarfoz | getting enough spelldmg, enough int, enough def, block(rating) and also stamina at the same time seems a bit complicated |
| 15:40.33 | zoktar | well im still gonna try n make a good paly tank with the set |
| 15:40.36 | zoktar | and tank heroics |
| 15:40.44 | zoktar | if nothing else complain to blizz ;P |
| 15:40.47 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 15:41.03 | Gnarfoz | rather complain to myself for not sticking to my rogue after I hit 70 |
| 15:41.20 | Gnarfoz | 2.1 makes things right again :) |
| 15:41.29 | zoktar | any link for changes? |
| 15:41.40 | undu | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 15:41.47 | zoktar | ty |
| 15:41.48 | undu | Dunno if it's the latest. But contains alot of changes. |
| 15:42.21 | Gnarfoz | looks up to date |
| 15:42.26 | *** join/#wowace bindi (i=indigo@d54C68DEA.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:44.16 | undu | Oh yeah, it is. Missed the updated info earlier. They only did release an additional changelog for 1 patch after the initial changelog anyways..... |
| 15:44.28 | undu | I hate that. |
| 15:44.34 | undu | Undocumented changes. >< |
| 15:44.49 | kebinusan | Surprise features! |
| 15:44.52 | zoktar | cool changes! |
| 15:45.00 | undu | Yep. |
| 15:45.00 | Gnarfoz | with THAT many documented changes, betcha there are at least as many undocumented ones |
| 15:45.01 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 15:45.12 | undu | 2.1 is what 2.0 should have been at release. |
| 15:45.16 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 15:45.34 | kebinusan | 2.1.1 Retuned retuned raid encounters |
| 15:45.54 | Gnarfoz | I think I'm gonna find out just how much money I'd have to spend to ditch herbalism on my rogue and pick up blacksmithing instead and push it to 350 -.- |
| 15:46.12 | undu | Blacksmithing is kinda slow I heard. |
| 15:46.15 | ilifin | 2.1.1 world of starcraft, protoss arrives and bombs black temple from orbit |
| 15:46.15 | Gnarfoz | I know |
| 15:46.17 | Gnarfoz | my paladin has 360 |
| 15:46.30 | Gnarfoz | but if I don't make him a tank, I don't actually need any of the stuff I can craft |
| 15:46.35 | Megalon | ilifin: :D |
| 15:47.09 | kebinusan | My life for Aiur! |
| 15:47.09 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 15:47.09 | zoktar | nice ill just chill till patch day and start tanking again |
| 15:47.09 | ilifin | they leave the message behind that "illidan sux, l2p" |
| 15:47.09 | Fisker- | it's possible to find out if you're flying or not in the game? |
| 15:47.15 | ilifin | clearly outplayed |
| 15:47.22 | kebinusan | Fisker-: in 2.1 |
| 15:47.26 | kebinusan | I think |
| 15:47.29 | Fisker- | weird |
| 15:47.34 | undu | I dunno if you can find that out. |
| 15:47.34 | kebinusan | I guess right now you could scan your buffs |
| 15:47.35 | ilifin | [flying] afaik works now? |
| 15:47.52 | undu | I think that only checks if it's a fly-zone or a nofly-zone. |
| 15:47.54 | undu | or? |
| 15:47.55 | kebinusan | ilifin: does it? I thought it was next patch |
| 15:47.58 | Fisker- | it's just that i do dismount on my flying mount if i'm on land (2.0.12) and not when flying |
| 15:48.08 | Fisker- | if i get the "You are mounted" message |
| 15:49.28 | sbu | undocumented changes? |
| 15:49.30 | sbu | where? :) |
| 15:49.37 | undu | Nowhere. |
| 15:49.38 | undu | :< |
| 15:49.46 | Matrix110 | there are on wowwiki |
| 15:50.13 | Matrix110 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.1.0_(Undocumented_Changes) |
| 15:50.37 | Matrix110 | but quite outdated i think |
| 15:51.08 | undu | The /who function will now display up to 50 matches and the total possible matches (for example, /who 70 shows "90 matches (50 displayed)"). <---- I didn't see that on PTR's. |
| 15:51.25 | undu | Still capped at 49 for me, and didn't show anything about total matches found. |
| 15:58.23 | *** join/#wowace Matrix110| (i=bla@pD957FC25.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:59.11 | *** join/#wowace yacoob (i=yacoob@hell.pl) |
| 15:59.39 | *** join/#wowace tekcub (n=tekkub@c-67-166-39-47.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 16:01.19 | Angry_Dwarf | any way to disable health recoloring in pitbull? |
| 16:01.31 | Angry_Dwarf | seems counterintuitive to color health by class then have it recolor by amount >< |
| 16:01.43 | Angry_Dwarf | global settings have options to change the color, but nothing to disable |
| 16:02.30 | *** join/#wowace chutwig (n=chutwig@wg-206-hill012.rutgers.edu) |
| 16:02.49 | CIA-23 | 03shieldb * r35425 10Incubator/ (Core.lua Incubator.toc): Incubator:Lurker now resets Shatterer and Priestess timers |
| 16:04.49 | *** join/#wowace ven (i=ven@i59F57027.versanet.de) |
| 16:06.57 | *** join/#wowace Srosh (n=Srosh@c209179.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 16:09.18 | *** join/#wowace theoddone33 (n=jimbob@pool-71-109-118-101.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 16:10.13 | *** join/#wowace Elkano (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-191.handshake.de) |
| 16:11.52 | *** join/#wowace Kaelten (n=kaelten@69.109.103.158) |
| 16:12.41 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 16:23.14 | Gnarfoz | yay, Blacksmithing 60/75 already -.- |
| 16:24.09 | Amadeo | I'm closing in on 50,000 honor, but I'm not sure if anything is worth getting |
| 16:24.17 | Amadeo | granted, my gear sucks enough that for me it probably is :P |
| 16:26.44 | *** join/#wowace Funkeh` (n=funkydud@host81-129-20-41.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:27.21 | Funkeh` | hi all |
| 16:28.55 | *** join/#wowace sbu_ (n=sb@dslb-084-056-145-167.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:29.33 | vhaarr | heyho |
| 16:29.57 | vhaarr | Funkeh`: you owe me a raid group! |
| 16:30.26 | Funkeh` | vhaarr: im trying to make it break! it worked fine last night :/ makes me think it could be and out of date issue |
| 16:32.43 | vhaarr | keke |
| 16:34.50 | *** join/#wowace InterCeptor (n=intercep@p509159AA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:35.57 | Fisker- | i'm annoyed that they changed the foot bubble |
| 16:37.10 | Fisker- | lol |
| 16:37.11 | Fisker- | The ## Interface: number in AddOn .toc files is now ## Interface: 20100. |
| 16:37.20 | Fisker- | why didn't they write that in the patch notes oh noez |
| 16:37.40 | *** join/#wowace Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 16:39.05 | Funkeh` | what patch notes |
| 16:39.05 | Funkeh` | oh you mean the rough notes? |
| 16:40.24 | Fisker- | the undocumented ones on the wiki |
| 16:41.11 | *** join/#wowace CAL|Smeltn (n=smeltn@adsl-219-245-64.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:41.59 | evl | I'm trying to detect when the players trinket(s) get cooldowns, I've looked at UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED and BAG_UPDATE_COOLDOWN but they both seem very spammy, any other ways of doing this? |
| 16:43.07 | pastamancer | sylvanaar: I hate you so hard right now |
| 16:43.20 | pastamancer | sylvanaar: WAU can't download foo.10010 |
| 16:43.31 | pastamancer | sylvanaar: because it's trying to get foo.1001 |
| 16:43.35 | Megalon | evl: one of the aurachange events, if those trinkets give buffs |
| 16:44.02 | Fisker- | oh noes then i'll die if i sting you! |
| 16:44.37 | Fisker- | oh hi |
| 16:45.20 | pastamancer | Fisker-: nuh uh, I'll keep it in mind if there's ever a Grid2 |
| 16:47.23 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:47.31 | Fisker- | Grid2 is today |
| 16:47.33 | Fisker- | ! |
| 16:48.24 | pastamancer | Fisker-: haha, want to know what my consulting rates are? ;) |
| 16:49.23 | *** join/#wowace chutwig (n=chutwig@wg-206-hill012.rutgers.edu) |
| 16:49.38 | pastamancer | I already have a bunch of neat ideas for Grid2, but I don't have any free time at all |
| 16:51.04 | Fisker- | a shame :( |
| 16:51.42 | *** join/#wowace Killmore (i=task@modemcable031.191-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 16:54.54 | *** join/#wowace kovi (n=nnscript@wrzb-590cf112.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 16:56.48 | *** join/#wowace Ominous (i=HydraIRC@81-178-99-240.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 16:57.56 | Mikma | http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Mikma/Mikma.lua :) |
| 16:58.00 | Mikma | FCT love <3 |
| 16:58.50 | Fisker- | what is it? |
| 16:58.57 | sbu | uber mikma-ui |
| 16:59.23 | sbu | Mikma: you have blizzard unit frames? |
| 16:59.23 | Mikma | something like that ;) I'm always adding things in there what i like to see |
| 16:59.29 | Mikma | sbu: yeap |
| 16:59.34 | sbu | oh... why? :) |
| 16:59.59 | Mikma | they are nice, and i use PerfectRaid with Party |
| 17:01.19 | *** join/#wowace nahkiss (i=nahkiss@dsl-hkigw7-fed8dc00-135.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 17:04.24 | sbu | <3 pitbull ;o |
| 17:07.22 | Gagorian | Is there any other way to open the game menu than esc? |
| 17:08.05 | ulic | Gagorian: the micro-buttons |
| 17:08.15 | Kilroo | I'm getting tired of Pitbull throwing its error when I log in |
| 17:08.22 | Kilroo | but I do like it the rest of the time. |
| 17:09.04 | Gagorian | ulic: Hmm yeah, if they were visible |
| 17:09.10 | Gagorian | A command would be cool |
| 17:09.46 | ulic | you can't get to the addon that's hiding them? |
| 17:12.43 | *** join/#wowace harldephin (i=harl@dslb-088-076-059-194.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:15.12 | *** join/#wowace Ominous (i=HydraIRC@85-210-59-67.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 17:18.25 | CIA-23 | 03alx * r35426 10WhoLib/ (WhoLib.toc libs/): |
| 17:18.25 | CIA-23 | WhoLib: |
| 17:18.25 | CIA-23 | - embedded libs |
| 17:18.25 | CIA-23 | - updated toc |
| 17:19.30 | *** join/#wowace chutwig (n=chutwig@URDAV3.rutgers.edu) |
| 17:21.34 | *** join/#wowace alx_ (n=alexkazi@i577B9113.versanet.de) |
| 17:21.35 | Gagorian | ulic: I could but just looking for the command, if such exists. |
| 17:21.51 | *** part/#wowace alx_ (n=alexkazi@i577B9113.versanet.de) |
| 17:22.30 | *** join/#wowace akazik (n=alexkazi@i577B9113.versanet.de) |
| 17:25.02 | CIA-23 | 03pastamancer * r35427 10Grid/Grid.toc: Grid: Update toc for 2.1 |
| 17:25.21 | KarlThePagan | pastamancer, ping |
| 17:25.39 | pastamancer | KarlThePagan: yo |
| 17:25.57 | *** join/#wowace ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 17:25.58 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 17:26.00 | KarlThePagan | hey I understand the server-side update scripts are yours |
| 17:26.11 | pastamancer | they are |
| 17:26.38 | KarlThePagan | wanna take this to #wau? |
| 17:27.08 | *** join/#wowace Skew (n=christia@cpe.atm2-0-1091183.0x50a49886.kd4nxx11.customer.tele.dk) |
| 17:27.09 | *** join/#wowace Tupsi (n=Miranda@p54B20FFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:27.26 | Skew | does anyone know an addon that allows you to move the minimap icons? |
| 17:28.17 | *** join/#wowace onuris` (n=aen@cpe-65-25-19-175.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 17:28.21 | Funkeh` | patch is today? |
| 17:28.38 | onuris` | i have a question with agunitframes, can anyone help? |
| 17:29.02 | Funkeh` | pastamancer: patch is today? |
| 17:29.08 | ulic | Funkeh`: tomorrow probably |
| 17:29.19 | *** join/#wowace dotted (n=me@0x555157c7.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 17:29.29 | Funkeh` | 'probably' ? |
| 17:29.35 | Funkeh` | are the americans getting aptched? |
| 17:30.05 | pastamancer | Funkeh`: no idea |
| 17:30.07 | Angry_Dwarf | euros would get it first |
| 17:30.14 | Angry_Dwarf | it's 10am monday in america =p |
| 17:30.32 | *** join/#wowace Keita (n=chatzill@200.14.239.210) |
| 17:30.48 | Keita | hello |
| 17:31.32 | *** join/#wowace Tuller (n=chatzill@c-76-27-166-119.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 17:31.46 | ulic | Funkeh`: well we have the MPQ file, but not the rest of it, so one would assume that it's tomorrow, but you know what happens when people assume :) |
| 17:32.33 | sbu | well - PTR still up? |
| 17:33.09 | Skew | no-one knows of an addon that allows you to move the minimap icons? |
| 17:33.29 | sedatedChipmunk | visor >8p |
| 17:33.31 | kenlyric | 1.12 ptr stayed up for a day after the patch :) |
| 17:33.41 | onuris` | how do you anchor the entire unitframe using agUnitFrames? i want to position windows much like discord did, with pos=BOTTOM, x=0, y=200 |
| 17:33.46 | onuris` | or something of that nature |
| 17:33.55 | Funkeh` | so |
| 17:34.00 | Funkeh` | american servers are not down yet? |
| 17:34.14 | kenlyric | it's only monday! |
| 17:34.17 | ulic | it's only monday morning here, usually happens tuesday morning |
| 17:34.20 | Keita | Skew: i know thre is 1, but cant remember the exact name |
| 17:34.32 | Kaydeethree | skew; minimap button bag? movable minimap buttons? |
| 17:35.14 | Skew | minimap button bag? i'm not sure what that is.. |
| 17:35.36 | kenlyric | servers typically go down at 10:00 UTC on Tuesdays. |
| 17:35.38 | Kaydeethree | it collapes all of the minimap buttons in to one location on the screen |
| 17:35.43 | kenlyric | errr, on patch days. |
| 17:35.48 | kenlyric | non patch days, it's 12:00 |
| 17:36.04 | *** join/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@ekm-s-216-160.resnet.CSUChico.EDU) |
| 17:36.07 | kenlyric | except in the winter, it's 11:00 and 13:00 |
| 17:37.22 | *** join/#wowace Mind-X (n=mind@89.155.214.125) |
| 17:40.32 | *** join/#wowace trh (n=hmmm@85.179.48.0) |
| 17:41.59 | [Ammo] | hmm CIA gone? |
| 17:42.01 | [Ammo] | or just slow |
| 17:42.13 | trh | CIA-23 is in the channel |
| 17:44.48 | [Ammo] | I just added scrollwheel support to the violation bars view |
| 17:44.55 | kergoth | woot |
| 17:44.56 | [Ammo] | so if you have 10 people shown on the bars you can scroll down |
| 17:44.57 | kergoth | very nice |
| 17:44.59 | [Ammo] | and see the rest :) |
| 17:45.14 | [Ammo] | probably some kinks still when resetting etc but shrug |
| 17:46.30 | moonsorrow | is it planned to substract overheal from the healing module? or maybe with an option? |
| 17:46.40 | kergoth | ammo did that already |
| 17:46.46 | kergoth | see the svn log :P |
| 17:46.46 | [Ammo] | moonsorrow: it already does that since this afternoon |
| 17:46.53 | moonsorrow | oh |
| 17:47.06 | moonsorrow | sry kergoth, I don't read every svn log :P |
| 17:47.20 | [Ammo] | for healing, healing taken and hps |
| 17:47.27 | [Ammo] | effective healing only |
| 17:47.43 | Fisker- | oh [Ammo] you already win then |
| 17:47.55 | kergoth | i had one violation question.. i noticed it only lets group leaders do a group reset.. it'd be nice to be able to do a vote on it, if none of the leaders/assistants are running violation.. swstats has that feature, it's quite useful |
| 17:47.57 | Fisker- | Design > Functionality |
| 17:48.09 | Fisker- | well atleast sometimes :P |
| 17:49.00 | vhaarr | kergoth: yeah, there's a TODO in Violation.lua, feel free to add stuff. |
| 17:49.06 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 17:49.06 | vhaarr | although it's not updated |
| 17:49.28 | *** join/#wowace Cheads (i=chead@0x535b9a8c.virnxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 17:49.36 | [Ammo] | the scrollwheel support is sexy :) |
| 17:51.23 | [Ammo] | thanks for the suggestion Punkie :p |
| 17:51.24 | kenlyric | so, why do all quest mods kill the timer? |
| 17:51.52 | Lyfe | anyone here really familiar with the event system, or more specifically, some stuff related to speed with it? |
| 17:52.33 | Herio | speed? |
| 17:52.53 | dotted | vhaarr wont violation clients be able to reset on their own? |
| 17:53.08 | [Ammo] | yes they can |
| 17:53.12 | ulic | Herio: maybe look at the speedFu code |
| 17:53.14 | Lyfe | i'm curious about the idea of replacing the registration of a particular event with one a little more broad, but i worry about the speed implications since i only want a little bit more data than what i'm getting. |
| 17:53.32 | ulic | oh, that speed :) |
| 17:53.59 | vhaarr | dotted: yes |
| 17:54.06 | QQngsk | kenlyric, questfu doesn't kill the timer |
| 17:54.24 | kenlyric | does it make it invisible? |
| 17:54.27 | dotted | phew |
| 17:54.29 | Gngsk | no |
| 17:54.36 | Gngsk | have you moved your minimap cluster? |
| 17:54.42 | kenlyric | yeah |
| 17:54.47 | Gngsk | it's anchored below that |
| 17:54.54 | Gngsk | so if you have it on the bottom of the screen you won't see it |
| 17:54.57 | kenlyric | ah. |
| 17:55.11 | Gngsk | be nice if quest mods did replace the timer though |
| 17:56.00 | kergoth | itd be nice if people who use incomprehensible variable names in code would actually comment |
| 17:56.05 | kergoth | commenting ftw |
| 17:56.18 | kenlyric | $z |
| 17:56.33 | Herio | $z? what is this? perl?! |
| 17:57.11 | vhaarr | kergoth: something I did? |
| 17:57.17 | Megalon | $HOWTOOBFUSCATE, $H0WTOOBFUCSATE, $HOWT0OBFUSCATE, $H0WT0OBFUCSATE |
| 17:57.18 | Megalon | :> |
| 17:57.20 | onuris` | can anyone help? how do you anchor the entire unitframe using agUnitFrames? i want to position windows much like discord did, with pos=BOTTOM, x=0, y=200 |
| 17:57.21 | *** join/#wowace KarlThePagan (n=andross@lanip-170-65.go180.net) |
| 17:57.22 | kergoth | no, violation is clean, i'm reading swstats code again |
| 17:57.24 | kergoth | :P |
| 17:57.30 | vhaarr | haha |
| 17:57.31 | Kilroo | I can't decide whether I want to stop using my ebon scimitar of the monkey in favor of the Vanquisher's Sword... |
| 17:57.37 | kergoth | the only comments are useless shit like "i added this in version 2.0 beta 6" |
| 17:57.40 | kergoth | who the fuck cares |
| 17:57.43 | vhaarr | great |
| 17:57.54 | kergoth | source control exists for a reason, people! |
| 17:57.57 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 17:57.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:57.59 | vhaarr | :D |
| 17:58.00 | moonsorrow | does violation records others healing/dmg? |
| 17:58.07 | vhaarr | moonsorrow: now, yes |
| 17:58.19 | [Ammo] | yes, but due to parser3.0 lacking some patterns and events it's not 100% |
| 17:58.31 | vhaarr | so everyone |
| 17:58.31 | Kilroo | it would drop my dodge and parry a bit, and my crit chance which bothers me more, but increase my DPS with both hands... |
| 17:58.34 | vhaarr | push ckk to fix it |
| 17:58.49 | moonsorrow | ok, wondered why there is some data from others |
| 17:58.52 | phyber | any of you know the name of the /g 47 |
| 17:58.55 | phyber | bah |
| 17:59.02 | kenlyric | heh |
| 17:59.09 | kenlyric | 47 what? ;) |
| 17:59.12 | phyber | WELL, DO YOU?! |
| 17:59.18 | phyber | ;) |
| 17:59.21 | moonsorrow | and is this intended that the bars are only updated when my own data is updated? |
| 17:59.25 | kenlyric | I'm a member of the /g 42 |
| 17:59.35 | phyber | I was goign to ask the name of that "At War" icon, but stopped asking that when I found it some 15 mins ago. |
| 17:59.46 | phyber | apparently I left it there until I tried to change windows just now >_< |
| 18:01.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.13 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.14 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.21 | kergoth | that's smart |
| 18:01.33 | sbu | does violation suppory syncing? |
| 18:01.44 | sbu | last time i checked it didnt ;p |
| 18:01.44 | kergoth | just dump my settings due to a _possible_ needed change |
| 18:01.48 | kergoth | that makes a lot of fucking sense |
| 18:02.03 | moonsorrow | haha |
| 18:02.27 | kergoth | sbu: it broadcasts -your- data, as that's the only thing that is authoritative for you. it wont broadcasts data you have about other people |
| 18:02.30 | sbu | hmhm |
| 18:02.45 | kergoth | keeps the protocol simple |
| 18:02.56 | Gngsk | is there some sort of scenario with dots where you won't be able to log some of your own data? |
| 18:03.10 | sbu | kergoth: ok so other violation users get _my_ data - so they have at least correct data for theirselves and me? |
| 18:03.23 | kergoth | exactly |
| 18:03.26 | sbu | kk |
| 18:03.30 | sbu | sounds ok ;o |
| 18:03.56 | Ominous | anyone use ClassTimer and have any tips ont he menu for me here? |
| 18:04.32 | ulic | Ominous: no, but I did notice that you have all the II, III, for rogue poisons, except Crippling Poison II |
| 18:04.39 | *** join/#wowace _art3mis (n=art3mis@ool-18b9f13e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:05.03 | Ominous | ulic: thats because the debuff name is the same? |
| 18:05.25 | *** join/#wowace sergio_ (i=sp@unaffiliated/sergio) |
| 18:05.33 | ulic | Ominous: didn't verify that one :) Just looked at the list in the lua :) |
| 18:05.37 | sbu | well... unless you want _all_ data, thats ~impossible if everyone in raid has violation installed? |
| 18:05.37 | [Ammo] | moonsorrow: that update of the bars is kinda shit still |
| 18:05.37 | [Ammo] | I'll change that |
| 18:05.40 | Saroz | uhm |
| 18:05.40 | Ominous | as i really need to know which menu options should be per group and which should geneal |
| 18:05.43 | Saroz | is 2.1 confirmed? |
| 18:06.01 | Gngsk | for tommorow? |
| 18:06.04 | Saroz | since Grid changed TOC |
| 18:06.05 | Saroz | yes |
| 18:06.10 | sbu | dont think so |
| 18:06.20 | moonsorrow | [Ammo]: ok |
| 18:06.25 | Saroz | hrm |
| 18:06.46 | sbu | mh violation externals are broken? |
| 18:07.07 | sbu | at least with Tortoise is get some error that ChatThrottleLib refers to a file, not a directory |
| 18:07.34 | ulic | Saroz: I have a 2.0.12-to-2.1.0 MPQ file sitting in my Patches folder, whatever that means :) |
| 18:07.43 | Saroz | yaya |
| 18:07.44 | Saroz | everyone does |
| 18:07.55 | vhaarr | sbu: fixed now |
| 18:08.08 | sbu | thank you |
| 18:08.26 | vhaarr | or when the commit goes trough |
| 18:09.32 | Saroz | why did Grid change TOC then? |
| 18:09.36 | Saroz | pastamancer has inside secrets! |
| 18:10.36 | ulic | guess folks are assuming :) |
| 18:11.16 | *** join/#wowace laughlorien (n=laughlor@146.86.161.65) |
| 18:15.32 | sbu | hm vhaarr, Violation-1.0.35429\Violation.lua:442: attempt to call method 'WhisperDataToPlayer' (a nil value) |
| 18:15.37 | *** part/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@ekm-s-216-160.resnet.CSUChico.EDU) |
| 18:16.50 | *** join/#wowace josh|ma (n=chatzill@Tc9df.t.pppool.de) |
| 18:17.00 | vhaarr | sbu: when you use the new options? |
| 18:17.01 | vhaarr | I know |
| 18:17.03 | vhaarr | don't use them |
| 18:17.09 | sbu | uhm dont know about know options ;) |
| 18:17.14 | sbu | whisper -> player |
| 18:17.18 | sbu | if this is new - ok :o |
| 18:17.23 | vhaarr | none of those options work |
| 18:17.27 | vhaarr | so have fun |
| 18:17.39 | sbu | meh ok |
| 18:22.09 | *** join/#wowace cynyr (n=cynyr@ppp-70-224-205-49.dsl.applwi.ameritech.net) |
| 18:23.27 | nevcairiel | [Ammo]: i want to second my request for syncing who does broadcast to the raid. |
| 18:24.07 | Gngsk | you can't second your own request! |
| 18:24.13 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: read the new TODO item I added |
| 18:24.23 | vhaarr | I'm going to rewrite the whole comm handling |
| 18:24.30 | nevcairiel | that being included? |
| 18:24.33 | nevcairiel | thats good enough for me :D |
| 18:24.40 | vhaarr | READ IT |
| 18:24.43 | vhaarr | ITS ON |
| 18:24.46 | vhaarr | :< |
| 18:24.58 | *** join/#wowace josh|ma_ (n=chatzill@Tcae6.t.pppool.de) |
| 18:25.48 | nevcairiel | on hydross right now, chatting is the only thing i can do :P |
| 18:25.54 | Chompers | ooh, i'd really like to see a list of people who are using violation while in a raid |
| 18:26.11 | Chompers | so i can moan at people to get it |
| 18:26.19 | vhaarr | Chompers: you'll get that |
| 18:26.21 | vhaarr | read the todo |
| 18:26.54 | vhaarr | the new data gathering+broadcasting is going to rock, if it works properly |
| 18:27.03 | Chompers | looking now: |
| 18:27.26 | kergoth | are you gonna do what nymbia suggested, the distribution of parsing load of users without it amongst those with it, or something else? |
| 18:27.32 | vhaarr | yes |
| 18:27.39 | *** join/#wowace josh|ma__ (n=chatzill@Tccb1.t.pppool.de) |
| 18:27.42 | vhaarr | kergoth: read the TODO item I added |
| 18:27.42 | *** join/#wowace Cheads (i=chead@0x535b9a8c.virnxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 18:27.47 | dodgizzla | I'd like more data options in Violation.. e.g. decurse count and all that crap :D |
| 18:27.58 | vhaarr | dodgizzla: those are a long way off |
| 18:28.05 | vhaarr | but it's certainly possible, and fucking easy |
| 18:28.05 | kergoth | k |
| 18:28.06 | vhaarr | to add |
| 18:28.20 | *** join/#wowace RaydenUni (i=bozartmp@137.112.248.143) |
| 18:28.27 | dodgizzla | vhaarr: I ain't complaining, merely suggesting :DD |
| 18:28.35 | vhaarr | dodgizzla: yes so add them to the TODO |
| 18:28.37 | dodgizzla | Take your time :> |
| 18:28.38 | vhaarr | I won't remember it |
| 18:28.52 | dodgizzla | vhaarr: Forum? I don't see a wiki page for Violation |
| 18:28.57 | vhaarr | SVN |
| 18:29.11 | dodgizzla | No access :D |
| 18:29.19 | vhaarr | why have the TODO on the wiki when you can have it in the code |
| 18:29.29 | kergoth | i wish blizz hadnt nerfed combat log range setting :( |
| 18:29.30 | dodgizzla | Or is it read/write for everybody now? |
| 18:29.33 | moonsorrow | what I like about sws is the easy way to change the views, maybe add something similar to violation? so you don't have to access the menu |
| 18:29.35 | vhaarr | dodgizzla: it's not |
| 18:29.43 | dodgizzla | vhaarr: Better that way. Still, no access :D |
| 18:29.45 | kergoth | dodgizzla: anyone can anonymous check out of svn |
| 18:29.51 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 18:29.54 | vhaarr | but he can't add to the todo |
| 18:29.59 | kergoth | oh, right :) |
| 18:30.02 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 18:30.12 | vhaarr | moonsorrow: how does sws do it? |
| 18:30.26 | kergoth | sws has a lame way of doing it imo, they hardcode 5 "views" with buttons like tabs on the window |
| 18:30.30 | moonsorrow | you can define round buttons below the main window |
| 18:30.30 | kergoth | arbitrary limitations ftl |
| 18:30.38 | vhaarr | meh |
| 18:30.46 | moonsorrow | uhm, you can use more then 5 |
| 18:30.47 | vhaarr | the bar GUI will get a rightclick menu |
| 18:30.50 | moonsorrow | or use less |
| 18:30.50 | [Ammo] | I was going to add a rightclick menu |
| 18:30.50 | vhaarr | like DMM |
| 18:31.04 | Chompers | right click is good |
| 18:31.18 | moonsorrow | but maybe not fast enough, provide a direct way to change the display |
| 18:31.20 | [Ammo] | redoing some module code now |
| 18:31.21 | kergoth | i was thinking itd be cool to let you select multiple items in the dewdrop for being displayed in the menu, then just have <> left right arrows on the titlebar of the window to cycle between the items selected for display in it |
| 18:31.25 | [Ammo] | so display updates go better |
| 18:31.39 | vhaarr | kergoth: that might work |
| 18:31.43 | vhaarr | kergoth: todo note please |
| 18:31.45 | moonsorrow | that would rock |
| 18:31.54 | kergoth | it would be more clicks than you need to in swstats, but itd be easier to do |
| 18:32.22 | moonsorrow | or a specific popup menu by right-clicking the arrows to access the next views directly |
| 18:32.29 | moonsorrow | as an alternative |
| 18:32.37 | dodgizzla | kergoth: Actually you can add a rightclick menu to directly select your current view |
| 18:32.49 | dodgizzla | I mean, you could :D |
| 18:32.51 | [Ammo] | I intend to do that shortyly |
| 18:32.58 | [Ammo] | just working on some other stuff atm |
| 18:35.26 | Punkie` | Does anyone know which addon occasionally opens up an invisible window similar to the '/who' window, which causes the escape key to bug out and character window to move to the right? |
| 18:35.53 | dodgizzla | Punkie`: actually that sounds like your trying to open your spellbook while in combat |
| 18:36.02 | dodgizzla | that does all kind of weird things over here |
| 18:36.19 | Punkie` | no, no |
| 18:36.24 | Punkie` | i know what you mean |
| 18:36.32 | *** join/#wowace onuris` (n=aen@cpe-65-25-19-175.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 18:36.46 | vhaarr | my guess is spamsentry |
| 18:36.49 | Fisker- | damn the bigwigs timer for maiden seems way off now |
| 18:36.54 | Punkie` | yeah, I think it could be that vhaarr |
| 18:36.54 | *** join/#wowace Daemona (i=koaschte@i577A13E7.versanet.de) |
| 18:37.06 | Punkie` | I dont really know why i use it, it's annoying |
| 18:37.07 | Punkie` | :P |
| 18:37.08 | *** join/#wowace Adys2010 (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-70-62.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:37.30 | *** join/#wowace RaydenUnicyclist (i=bozartmp@137.112.248.143) |
| 18:37.57 | *** join/#wowace Proph (n=bbchucks@204.153.88.3) |
| 18:38.09 | Punkie` | vhaarr: any reason it does that? don't tell me it's scanning for random level 1's to block :P |
| 18:38.27 | Punkie` | and fisker, it's a cooldown, durrrr |
| 18:38.30 | nevcairiel | has anyone been using the new SWS in raids yet? |
| 18:38.35 | nevcairiel | i think its syncing is way off |
| 18:38.46 | nevcairiel | totally different results |
| 18:39.18 | chutwig | what version? |
| 18:39.24 | nevcairiel | 2.1.0 |
| 18:39.31 | chutwig | didn't even know it was out |
| 18:39.36 | chutwig | i just upgraded to 2.0.4 like a week ago |
| 18:39.59 | vhaarr | Punkie`: no idea :P |
| 18:39.59 | kergoth | it's beta |
| 18:40.44 | phyber | do the 'iconCoord' settings for 'icon' in Dewdrop not work if you're trying to use a 'checkIcon' at the same time? |
| 18:40.52 | Kilroo | As a rogue, should I prefer +12 str over +5 spirit? |
| 18:40.59 | Kilroo | Hmm. |
| 18:40.59 | Gnarfoz | yes? |
| 18:41.08 | Gnarfoz | spirit does nothing for you -.- |
| 18:41.28 | Kilroo | Thought it affected energy regen rate. They change that? |
| 18:41.32 | Gnarfoz | never did |
| 18:41.43 | ulic | just posted, but not suprising, US realms down from 5am-11am PDT tomorrow. As seen on my login screen. |
| 18:41.53 | Kilroo | Odd. Wonder why it seems slower with less then. |
| 18:41.54 | *** join/#wowace xlvii (n=Tim@CPE-144-136-157-109.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 18:42.03 | Gnarfoz | superstition? imagination? :> |
| 18:42.29 | Gnarfoz | it increases mana and health regen rates out of combat |
| 18:43.32 | chutwig | ulic: if it's actually patch day they should just fess up and say 5am-4pm PDT |
| 18:43.36 | chutwig | because that's what it always is |
| 18:43.47 | nevcairiel | kergoth: 2.1.0 was released as final today |
| 18:43.59 | Amadeo | so Tuesday? |
| 18:44.09 | chutwig | actually more like 5am-4pm PDT plus random spaz-out attacks for the next 8 hours |
| 18:44.14 | chutwig | until they do rolling restarts again |
| 18:44.15 | Amadeo | chutwig: Correct |
| 18:44.29 | kenlyric | ulic: that means it's not patch day. |
| 18:44.42 | kenlyric | server goes down at 3am PDT on patch day. |
| 18:44.46 | chutwig | not necessarily |
| 18:44.53 | kenlyric | since the beginning of time. |
| 18:44.58 | ulic | I'm just reporting what I see :) |
| 18:45.05 | kenlyric | well, since I started playing wow, around 1.7 |
| 18:45.06 | Fisker- | Punkie` i said "way off" not "off" |
| 18:45.08 | chutwig | but i don't think it's landing tomorrow anyway |
| 18:45.09 | Amadeo | Server comes back up at 8-10 PM EST on Patch day :P |
| 18:45.18 | Fisker- | I got repentance when there was like 10 seconds left on her cooldown |
| 18:45.26 | chutwig | though if it does it means i can respec 41/8/12 straight away |
| 18:45.59 | chutwig | since i won't need master summoner any more to stop myself from going insane every time i fly somewhere and have to resummon the pet |
| 18:46.16 | *** join/#wowace onuris1 (n=aen@cpe-65-25-19-175.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 18:46.29 | kenlyric | lol |
| 18:46.53 | chutwig | it's a really friggin' long 10 seconds, let me tell you |
| 18:47.01 | Fisker- | ah [Ammo] |
| 18:47.10 | kenlyric | I know, I have a lock, and against my better judgement I'm levelling affliction |
| 18:47.14 | Fisker- | it's a shame you have to use the fubarplugin to change display modes on the violation thingy |
| 18:48.04 | knarf- | So why is it that the pary leader needs to be in the first frame in pitbull? :> |
| 18:48.28 | kenlyric | blizzard |
| 18:49.02 | [Ammo] | Fisker-: as was said above, that's going to change soon |
| 18:49.41 | sbu | uhm - so really patch tomorrow? |
| 18:49.42 | Kilroo | And unfortunately for me, I also forgot that buyback lists reset when you zone. |
| 18:49.42 | chutwig | why would affliction be against your better judgement |
| 18:49.45 | chutwig | it's the best way to level |
| 18:49.58 | sbu | arrr nevcairiel |
| 18:50.11 | sbu | swstats, now wow, right? :p |
| 18:50.12 | kergoth | nevcairiel: ah, cool |
| 18:51.10 | Kilroo | OH. |
| 18:51.27 | *** join/#wowace Andalia_ (i=xx@p54AC80C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:51.42 | kenlyric | chutwig: so they say. |
| 18:51.49 | kenlyric | but I miss my insta pet resummon. |
| 18:52.09 | chutwig | demonology is not a good way to level until 60> |
| 18:52.13 | kenlyric | oh, and a pet that can hold aggro :) But that's just the hunter in me. The shadow priest in me knows affliction is better. |
| 18:52.19 | chutwig | the felguard is poor until then anyway |
| 18:52.54 | *** join/#wowace MadMonk (n=Nuno_Alv@81.193.1.142) |
| 18:53.40 | *** join/#wowace sun\ (n=sun@ARouen-152-1-22-123.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:54.23 | chutwig | but between 60-70 you will destroy casters of all levels with the felguard |
| 18:54.32 | chutwig | it's ridiculous on a whole new level |
| 18:54.48 | kenlyric | what happens at 60? |
| 18:55.59 | Thorgard | Moo.. |
| 18:56.26 | chutwig | he learns avoidance |
| 18:56.31 | Thorgard | Any way to get Violation only to track player/party stats and exclude the hostiles? |
| 18:56.43 | chutwig | which means mages = cannon fodder |
| 18:57.06 | [Ammo] | Thorgard: it is not tracking hostiles atm |
| 18:57.16 | *** join/#wowace Xuerian (n=core@wireless-216-222-129-181.citizip.com) |
| 18:57.32 | [Ammo] | or should not |
| 18:57.58 | chutwig | between intercept and avoidance the felguard eats cloth wearers alive |
| 18:58.33 | Thorgard | [Ammo], keeps showing me the mobs I'm fighting in the list. And it's splitting the total damage with them so I'm never at 100% of the total damage when soloing, for example. |
| 18:59.09 | Keita | Is Violation a DamgaeMeters alternative? |
| 18:59.41 | vhaarr | not yet |
| 18:59.44 | vhaarr | it will be |
| 19:00.16 | kergoth | its more like a recap alternative now, though without the detailed views (as in, the syncing is minimal) |
| 19:01.15 | Kaydeethree | thought so... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102917765&postId=1026803721&sid=1 |
| 19:01.20 | Kaydeethree | 2.1's next week at the earliest |
| 19:01.32 | *** join/#wowace ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 19:01.33 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 19:02.09 | ckknight | anyone know a good place to download audio books? |
| 19:02.20 | Thorgard | Newsgroups? |
| 19:02.24 | Thorgard | Dunno. |
| 19:02.25 | [Ammo] | Thorgard: what class? what skill? |
| 19:03.04 | Thorgard | [Ammo], Draenei Shaman, any attacks/skills from a mob puts them on the list. |
| 19:03.08 | [Ammo] | oh? |
| 19:03.12 | Thorgard | Yeah. |
| 19:03.16 | [Ammo] | doesn't do that for me |
| 19:03.19 | Chompers | newsgroups are your best bet |
| 19:03.22 | Thorgard | Right now it's 1. Me, 2. Ridge Stalker and 3. Starving Buzzard |
| 19:03.31 | [Ammo] | but I'll try my low level shaman |
| 19:03.41 | [Ammo] | might be parser-3.0 acting up |
| 19:03.55 | [Ammo] | it is currently very incomplete |
| 19:04.04 | onuris1 | can anyone help? how do you anchor the entire unitframe using agUnitFrames? i want to position windows much like discord did, with pos=BOTTOM, x=0, y=200 |
| 19:04.24 | Azurewrath | mhm... what was the time after that you're being logged out again? AFK was 5mins or something.. |
| 19:04.32 | *** join/#wowace Xuerian (n=core@wireless-216-222-129-181.citizip.com) |
| 19:04.35 | *** join/#wowace karpadnik (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-73fb742f79fc1238) |
| 19:04.38 | Thorgard | Azurewrath, 20-30 minutes? |
| 19:04.42 | *** join/#wowace rubik (n=rubik@cpe-76-167-55-89.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 19:04.48 | Thorgard | 30, probably. |
| 19:04.50 | *** join/#wowace Garns (n=blub@muedsl-82-207-195-113.citykom.de) |
| 19:04.59 | Mikma | i have a problem. i keep hearing WoW ingame voices and i don't know what makes them :D |
| 19:05.15 | Mikma | so lowlow voice just said moment ago something about playing records backwards |
| 19:05.23 | *** join/#wowace Vegeta]BT[AFK (n=Vegeta-G@xdslo035.osnanet.de) |
| 19:05.25 | Thorgard | Aerr.. |
| 19:05.37 | Mikma | and no, i'm not using any VOIP |
| 19:05.40 | *** join/#wowace josh|ma (n=chatzill@Tccb1.t.pppool.de) |
| 19:05.47 | Mikma | i still have no idea what makes the voices :D |
| 19:05.49 | Azurewrath | mhm.. 30mins.. hrm |
| 19:05.51 | Xuerian | Mikma: Where are you? |
| 19:06.01 | Mikma | Xuerian: infront of kara |
| 19:06.10 | Xuerian | ptr? |
| 19:06.12 | [Ammo] | Thorgard: it's working fine here, might be damageshields or semthing? |
| 19:06.17 | Mikma | Xuerian: no, live |
| 19:06.18 | [Ammo] | are you using a lightningshield or something? |
| 19:06.21 | kenlyric | Mikma: lol, that's the felguard. |
| 19:06.22 | Xuerian | Weird |
| 19:06.25 | Xuerian | XD |
| 19:06.25 | Thorgard | [Ammo], nope. |
| 19:06.33 | Mikma | the felguard? omg he's funny |
| 19:06.36 | Thorgard | [Ammo], any way to debug it on my side? |
| 19:06.38 | kenlyric | I play all my records backwards! |
| 19:06.38 | Xuerian | Oh, haha, mocking the whole "rock played backwards is the devil" spield |
| 19:06.41 | Xuerian | spiel* XD |
| 19:07.01 | ag` | did anyone benchmark Parser3.0/Violation vs SWStats? |
| 19:07.02 | Mikma | he really said something about playing record backwards and then was like iip ap op ep epep oooop |
| 19:07.19 | [Ammo] | Thorgard: no idea, it just works fine here |
| 19:07.26 | [Ammo] | and has worked fine for some time |
| 19:07.37 | kenlyric | yeah, warlock pets have talked for a while now. |
| 19:07.42 | Thorgard | Let's see.. rev. 35350, think that's the newest. |
| 19:07.55 | kenlyric | when we first went to karazhan I thought that was the prince or something :) |
| 19:08.21 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Jarentha@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 19:08.40 | vhaarr | ag`: yes, violation kicks everything |
| 19:08.48 | vhaarr | ag`: but of course, it's not done yet |
| 19:09.00 | ag` | yes, there's no kitchensink yet |
| 19:09.03 | Kilroo | Well, curse my idiocy. ^_^ |
| 19:09.05 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 19:09.39 | ag` | I saw we go for the one in stainless steel! |
| 19:09.43 | ag` | It's very efficient |
| 19:10.04 | vhaarr | sweet |
| 19:10.10 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 19:12.06 | Chompers | vhaarr, Violation WILL kick ass, but not right at the moment |
| 19:12.13 | Chompers | its busy doing something |
| 19:13.41 | ag` | So will Duke Nukem |
| 19:14.05 | Chompers | that does not exist |
| 19:14.59 | Xuerian | Haha. |
| 19:15.03 | Xuerian | How apt, ag`. |
| 19:17.06 | Fisker- | so Xuerian you're back into the modding business? |
| 19:17.08 | onuris1 | ag` can you offer some assistance with your mod? |
| 19:17.36 | Xuerian | Fisker-: I made the mistake of setting foot in here, so yeah, it seems like I am. Not having a active account is only a small technicality ;P |
| 19:17.46 | Fisker- | hehe |
| 19:18.19 | Fisker- | beginners mistake imo ;D |
| 19:18.19 | *** join/#wowace Ani| (n=Ani@86.56.51.7) |
| 19:18.19 | Xuerian | I know, I suck :p |
| 19:18.47 | Saroz | welcome back Xuerian |
| 19:20.05 | Aenslaed | quartz needs a fubar plugin -_- |
| 19:20.07 | *** join/#wowace Kalman (n=delay@dhcp-groundworks18.public.dc.umich.edu) |
| 19:20.37 | Xuerian | Aenslaed: Vs ModMenuFu/Deucecommander/Niagra? |
| 19:20.47 | Aenslaed | not a fan of waterfall at all. |
| 19:20.51 | Aenslaed | hrm? |
| 19:20.57 | Xuerian | Aenslaed: Neither am I, but it's fair to mention |
| 19:21.11 | Aenslaed | Xuerian: i dont know what mod that is |
| 19:21.24 | Xuerian | Aenslaed: If you haven't tried it, get DeuceCommanderFu |
| 19:21.33 | Xuerian | I think... that's... the name |
| 19:21.51 | Aenslaed | just deucecommander |
| 19:22.07 | Xuerian | That's what matters ;) |
| 19:24.06 | *** join/#wowace NightHawkTheSane (n=duaiwe@65-102-190-237.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 19:24.08 | Xuerian | Aenslaed: I suggest the overall fubar config plugins because as a author, I've had requests for FuBar pugins - But like ck, they're something I can't see using beyond five minutes of initial configuration. Something like PitBull, where there's tons of stuff to change, have a little more reason |
| 19:25.24 | Xuerian | Ooh, smell the irony in that one... |
| 19:25.35 | Fisker- | i'm swarmed by enough fubar plugins already |
| 19:25.36 | Fisker- | no more! |
| 19:26.00 | Aenslaed | Xuerian: thats true. Quartz keeps getting new stuff though so I kinda want it for that |
| 19:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | "hide plugin" wins. :P |
| 19:26.08 | Cyrez | Just get it to work with Niagara. |
| 19:31.45 | onuris1 | anyone have a link to pitbull? |
| 19:33.24 | sbu | oh Xuerian - you are back? :o |
| 19:33.44 | Xuerian | sbu: Apparently so. Hide the children and the cheese! |
| 19:33.50 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. cheese |
| 19:34.08 | Ominous | type /quartzdd |
| 19:34.13 | Ominous | and you get it as a dewdrop |
| 19:38.05 | Amadeo | Who plays a Warrior? |
| 19:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | uh, i kind of do? As in i havn't played it in a couple months.. >.> |
| 19:39.17 | Amadeo | Good gear? |
| 19:39.36 | sbu | meh, wtb 2.1 :o |
| 19:40.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: define 'good' ;) I have good pre-raid gear. |
| 19:40.06 | Amadeo | hehe |
| 19:40.11 | Amadeo | I don't! |
| 19:40.18 | sbu | The Test realms will be brought down today at 1:00 p.m. PDT for a patch and maintenance. The expected down time is 3 hours and the realms should be available at 4:00 p.m. PDT. |
| 19:40.19 | Amadeo | I have "good" greens :P |
| 19:40.30 | sbu | so no patch this week i guess? :/ |
| 19:40.34 | Aenslaed | Amadeo: I used to, pre-AQ |
| 19:40.59 | Amadeo | sbu: I'm guessing not, maybe next! |
| 19:41.06 | ulic | that seems to indicate not :( |
| 19:41.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Amadeo: lol, well, if you're interested (which I can only assume because you asked) here's the armory profile: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hakkar&n=Annia |
| 19:41.10 | Keita | ne wowace.com people here??? |
| 19:41.51 | Amadeo | NightHawk's a girl! |
| 19:42.01 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 19:42.02 | Gngsk | insane. |
| 19:42.08 | kenlyric | sbu: US realms are coming down at 5am pdt, so likely not. |
| 19:42.28 | sbu | kenlyric: + possible new ptr patch |
| 19:42.48 | Kaydeethree | s/possible/confirmed/ |
| 19:42.51 | kenlyric | the downtime really is the nail in the coffin :) |
| 19:42.53 | Kaydeethree | in about 5 hours or so |
| 19:43.25 | Ominous | can you do var1 and random_function() or do you have to do if var1 then ... end |
| 19:43.58 | sedatedChipmunk | you can do foo = var1 and random_function() |
| 19:44.18 | sedatedChipmunk | but you can't just stick it out there all by its lonesome |
| 19:44.32 | NightHawkTheSane | lvalues are for losers! |
| 19:46.30 | Amadeo | So AMD/ATI finally announced the 2000 series |
| 19:47.20 | kenlyric | uh? |
| 19:47.32 | kenlyric | 2000 was like, seven years ago. |
| 19:47.35 | kenlyric | they should upgrade. |
| 19:47.37 | *** join/#wowace RaydenUni (n=bozartmp@bozartmp.student.rose-hulman.edu) |
| 19:47.40 | chutwig | and the x2900 still manages to be worse than the 8800 |
| 19:47.44 | Amadeo | HD 2900, etc |
| 19:47.45 | undu | Well, isn't general availability expexted in like..... late june? |
| 19:48.02 | Amadeo | no idea, I haven't kept up |
| 19:48.10 | Amadeo | I like that AMD announced they'd be doing better Linux drivers |
| 19:48.19 | onuris1 | can someone post pics of pitbull pls |
| 19:48.20 | Amadeo | or any at all |
| 19:48.20 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:48.28 | Kaydeethree | let's see if they ever follow through on that |
| 19:48.30 | Amadeo | onuris1: Have you seen ag_UnitFrames? |
| 19:48.36 | chutwig | they probably know they're way behind nvidia and they want to try to get a leg up on them there |
| 19:48.37 | Xuerian | It doesn't make sense for them to be streaming 2.1 now |
| 19:48.41 | Xuerian | If they're not rolling it out yet :P |
| 19:48.42 | onuris1 | yes |
| 19:48.44 | undu | Why not Xuerian? |
| 19:48.44 | chutwig | it's just art assets |
| 19:48.45 | Kaydeethree | at least my nvidia card's not panicing the kernel |
| 19:48.47 | Amadeo | onuris1: That's what PitBull looks like :P |
| 19:48.49 | Aenslaed | http://aenslaed.mizery.net/newui.jpg |
| 19:48.51 | undu | They pre-load as much as they can as early as they can. |
| 19:48.53 | onuris1 | im using ag now, but i cant anchor the windows where i want |
| 19:48.57 | undu | That's the best way to do it. |
| 19:49.05 | Xuerian | undu: You're suggesting they'll just add another patch mpq to 2.1? |
| 19:49.05 | Kalman | Xuerian: they stream the data for stuff like the daily quest areas now, since that's not likely to change much if at all. |
| 19:49.06 | undu | Relieves the load on patchday. |
| 19:49.07 | Aenslaed | pitbull are the unitframes |
| 19:49.11 | kenlyric | Xuerian: uh, you mean how they did 2.0 and 1.12 at least two weeks before it was released? |
| 19:49.12 | Xuerian | I guess that makes sense |
| 19:49.21 | chutwig | Xuerian: the current pre-stream stuff is art/sound assets |
| 19:49.28 | onuris1 | in pitbull, can you anchor windows based on X/Y and rel pos? like bottom= x=0, y=50 |
| 19:49.29 | chutwig | because that gets finalized a lot earlier |
| 19:49.32 | Xuerian | kenlyric: I wasn't as intimately aware of it then, I was on dialup at that point, I'm on broadband now :P |
| 19:49.34 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 19:49.35 | chutwig | better than a 500 meg elekk of a patch coming out on patch day |
| 19:49.35 | kenlyric | hell, we had 2.0 *forever* |
| 19:49.37 | Xuerian | wb, ck |
| 19:49.38 | ckknight | onuris1: you just drag. |
| 19:49.51 | Xuerian | chutwig: Yeah, I didn't really think about it ;P |
| 19:49.52 | onuris1 | yeah but dragging isnt perfect center :( |
| 19:50.03 | ckknight | so use your eyes. |
| 19:50.10 | undu | lol |
| 19:50.16 | onuris1 | i fail at that :P |
| 19:50.17 | undu | Get a ruler and get measuring boy! |
| 19:50.29 | ckknight | deal. |
| 19:50.46 | Fisker- | what does the scroll at illhoof do? |
| 19:50.47 | Amadeo | Elekk's are so ugly |
| 19:50.50 | onuris1 | discord let you anchor based on pos |
| 19:50.55 | knarf- | ckknight Why is it that the order of partymembers gets switched when you change leader ? :> |
| 19:50.59 | undu | Unarmored Elekk's are fugly, yes. |
| 19:51.08 | undu | The armored ones are kinda cool imo. |
| 19:51.13 | Amadeo | bleh |
| 19:51.17 | chutwig | i named my elekk dumbo |
| 19:51.18 | Xuerian | onuris1: I know it's surprising, but PitBull isn't Discord ;P |
| 19:51.19 | Amadeo | Elekk's are the Undead of Alliance |
| 19:51.19 | onuris1 | ck: does pitbull use otravi texture? |
| 19:51.21 | chutwig | elekk + slow fall = lulz |
| 19:51.21 | ckknight | knarf-: Because Blizzard's wacky. |
| 19:51.22 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:51.32 | ckknight | onuris1: it uses Cilo, very close to Otravi |
| 19:51.51 | ckknight | onuris1: you can choose whatever texture you want, though. |
| 19:51.58 | knarf- | ckknight some retard in my group switched leder right before I started healing a tank, guess who I did not heal :P |
| 19:52.05 | knarf- | leader* |
| 19:52.13 | chutwig | somebody was moving people around during combat and pitbull went kind of wonky |
| 19:52.13 | onuris1 | pitbull use less memory than ag? |
| 19:52.14 | kenlyric | I don't know what the fuck you people are talking about. |
| 19:52.18 | kenlyric | elekk's are awesome. |
| 19:52.25 | Amadeo | Ugliest mount in game! |
| 19:52.28 | ckknight | knarf-: yea, blame Blizzard. |
| 19:52.35 | knarf- | ckknight I will :P |
| 19:52.40 | chutwig | taaaaint |
| 19:53.02 | kenlyric | Amadeo: except for talbuks, rams, chickens, horses, mechanical chickens, an possibly dogs. |
| 19:53.03 | knarf- | any eta on patch 2.1 btw? |
| 19:53.07 | chutwig | no |
| 19:53.09 | ckknight | knarf-: 8 days |
| 19:53.10 | kenlyric | when it's fucking ready |
| 19:53.14 | ckknight | my guess |
| 19:53.40 | knarf- | kenlyric no shit sherlock :P |
| 19:53.46 | Amadeo | kenlyric: I think the worst are in this order: Elekk, Mechanostrider, Hawkstrider, Kodo, and the rest I don't care about |
| 19:54.09 | kenlyric | Amadeo: you are clearly completely fucked in the head. |
| 19:54.18 | kenlyric | which is strange, because all your other choices are correct. |
| 19:54.21 | *** join/#wowace Adirelle (n=gperreal@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:54.23 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:54.29 | Amadeo | I love wolves actually |
| 19:54.33 | Amadeo | They have a great animation |
| 19:54.46 | kenlyric | elekks have one of the most fluid movement animations of any mount in game. |
| 19:55.02 | kenlyric | and, they're purple |
| 19:55.05 | kenlyric | Purple is always awesome. |
| 19:55.12 | ckknight | true |
| 19:55.21 | onuris1 | ck: pitbull use less memory than ag? |
| 19:55.21 | Amadeo | that first one was an oxymoron! |
| 19:55.22 | kenlyric | and my oh my, how they scream when you jump them off a cliff. |
| 19:55.27 | sergio | ckknight: p.s. the class filters seem to me working great for me but I haven't tried it in a 25 man raid yet. I don't know if there's any performance hits |
| 19:55.42 | ckknight | sergio: performance hits how? |
| 19:55.53 | sergio | just expecting some |
| 19:55.55 | kenlyric | Amadeo: if you don't find beauty and fluidity in the running of an elephant, I can't really help you. ;) |
| 19:55.59 | sergio | i said i don't know if there are |
| 19:56.00 | Amadeo | My favorite mount in game used to be the Ram, until everyone got the AV Ram |
| 19:56.05 | ckknight | onuris1: if you take out all the features that agUF doesn't have, they'll be very close. |
| 19:56.17 | kenlyric | Amadeo: oh, thanks for resting my case about being fucked in the head. |
| 19:56.19 | kenlyric | Ram. |
| 19:56.20 | Amadeo | Talbuk's are almost cool, but they have a crappy stick-up-the-ass animation |
| 19:56.20 | kenlyric | You die now |
| 19:56.24 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 19:56.27 | sergio | I assume filtering all the junk buffs takes some processing |
| 19:56.33 | sergio | i just hope it doesn't lag |
| 19:56.40 | kenlyric | Talbuks are like the sick offspring of a horse and a ram. |
| 19:56.57 | Amadeo | I've never been one for bandwagons, and Elekk/Kodo are like the Alliance bandwagon mount :P |
| 19:56.58 | ckknight | sergio: ah, that. That's actually pretty cheap cause it does most of the computation on startup |
| 19:57.01 | kenlyric | the most boring and ugliest mounts in game, respectively. |
| 19:57.03 | Amadeo | er |
| 19:57.05 | Amadeo | Alliance/Horde |
| 19:57.18 | kenlyric | Amadeo: kitty has and always will be the alliance bandwagon mount :) |
| 19:57.22 | Saroz | Cryect, ktm is really sucking so much cpu? |
| 19:57.36 | NeoTron | anyone know of a good dkp tracking/awarding adon? basically hope to do most of what eqdkp does in-game (so instead of using eqdkp as a source of inforamtion it's used as a "log" of sorts) |
| 19:57.37 | Amadeo | kenlyric: I don't think anyone wants it...I have one on my NE, but I want another...just don't want to put the grind effort |
| 19:57.51 | Arrowmaster | ktm will always be a cpu hog the way its writen i think |
| 19:58.01 | Arrowmaster | although the author thinks his parser is the best ever |
| 19:58.08 | onuris1 | ck: w here can i find a list of features? |
| 19:58.11 | sergio | ckknight: I was just speculatign |
| 19:58.32 | ckknight | onuris1: just try it out. |
| 19:59.04 | dodgizzla | Winterspring Saber > all other mounts :P |
| 19:59.05 | sergio | have you had any complaints about missing hunter buffs? |
| 19:59.10 | sergio | I can't think of any i missed |
| 19:59.19 | kenlyric | Amadeo: there's no grind involved now. |
| 19:59.29 | Amadeo | dodgizzla: I hate the WS Saber, I like the old unarmored mounts the best |
| 19:59.32 | ckknight | sergio: people were complaining about buffs in general not showing up, but I don't know about that. |
| 19:59.38 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Why not? |
| 19:59.41 | dodgizzla | Amadeo: the WS Sabre is unarmored :> |
| 19:59.42 | Keita | Fenix mount FTW! |
| 19:59.46 | Amadeo | dodgizzla: I know, but it's ugly |
| 19:59.49 | kenlyric | Amadeo: you can hit exalted in darnassus, ironforge, and stormwind just doing quests. |
| 19:59.56 | dodgizzla | But I wanted the black unarmored sabre, just did not have enough money back then |
| 19:59.58 | Amadeo | kenlyric: That takes effort! I"m already 70 :P |
| 20:00.06 | kenlyric | Amadeo: yes, but it's not a grind. |
| 20:00.07 | dodgizzla | I dunno, I like mine, wouldn't use any other :D |
| 20:00.16 | Amadeo | I like the rare white Raptors that you never see |
| 20:00.18 | kenlyric | and seriously, even at 48 doing the starter quests for NE took like three hours. |
| 20:00.22 | Keita | Alli gets to exalted faster than horde with theit factions |
| 20:00.34 | kenlyric | Keita: all the factions are easier now. |
| 20:00.39 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Hm, maybe I'll do it then...first I have to decide what mount I want :) |
| 20:00.39 | kenlyric | except undead, which just get fucked. |
| 20:00.58 | sergio | ckknight: maybe they meant trinket buffs and such |
| 20:01.02 | sergio | or a weapon proc |
| 20:01.21 | Amadeo | kenlyric: I should get an Elekk just so I hate my Warrior more and play another class :P |
| 20:01.23 | sbu | ckknight: yeah, buffs not showing up :) |
| 20:01.41 | ckknight | sbu: so fix it. |
| 20:01.42 | sbu | on _some_ party frames |
| 20:01.55 | ckknight | that hasn't occurred with me |
| 20:02.00 | ckknight | and I don't see how it could happen |
| 20:02.05 | ckknight | so *shrug* |
| 20:02.09 | kenlyric | I haven't yet tried to hit exalted with exodar. |
| 20:02.33 | kenlyric | you can't hit exalted with gnomer just from quests, but I can't ride that mount anyway. |
| 20:02.48 | Keita | i got to revered with my druis like at 60, my bro has a 20 something draenei which is allready revered with all theirs |
| 20:03.00 | Keita | only with TB that is |
| 20:03.05 | Amadeo | kenlyric: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/mounts/rams/ss5.jpg |
| 20:03.10 | Amadeo | Don't drool too much |
| 20:03.11 | sbu | ckknight: filtered + prayer of spirit, and it always affects the feral druid :o |
| 20:03.23 | kenlyric | so ugly |
| 20:03.26 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 20:03.46 | Fisker- | ok i didn't know illhoof could sacrifice the maintank :/ |
| 20:04.14 | kenlyric | Fisker-: I didn't know he couldn't. |
| 20:04.22 | kenlyric | Never actually fought him where he didn't do that. |
| 20:04.24 | Kalman | ckknight: I have the buff/debuffs not showing up on frames issue. |
| 20:04.32 | kenlyric | just, you can live if he does it near the end of the fight. |
| 20:04.44 | Xuerian | I'm with Amadeo on rams |
| 20:04.46 | CIA-23 | 03ckknight * r35435 10PitBull/Aura/Aura.lua: PitBull_Aura - tweakings |
| 20:04.52 | Amadeo | Xuerian: Yeah! |
| 20:04.57 | ckknight | Kalman, sbu: test that. |
| 20:04.58 | Xuerian | er |
| 20:04.59 | Xuerian | no wait |
| 20:05.01 | Xuerian | I'm with kenlyric. |
| 20:05.02 | Xuerian | Sorry. |
| 20:05.04 | Xuerian | :) |
| 20:05.05 | Keita | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHZGeDqQi0 |
| 20:05.06 | Amadeo | Die! |
| 20:05.07 | kenlyric | aura filters are always screwed up. I've heard that's with blizzard's fault. |
| 20:05.30 | kenlyric | like, wtf is up with not showing weakened soul? |
| 20:05.33 | Amadeo | I don't like the phoenix mount either |
| 20:05.34 | Cryect | <Saroz> Cryect, ktm is really sucking so much cpu? |
| 20:05.35 | Cryect | yes |
| 20:05.46 | Xuerian | Oohh, Phoenix. Shiny |
| 20:05.46 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: pitbull uses a custom aura filter, not blizz's |
| 20:05.50 | Cryect | <Arrowmaster> although the author thinks his parser is the best ever |
| 20:05.58 | Cryect | yeah parsers that do who know what every single frame are great! |
| 20:06.04 | kenlyric | and when pitbull makes beta phase, I'm going to try it out :) |
| 20:06.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd probably call it beta-worthy at this point, but *shrug* |
| 20:07.02 | Amadeo | They should make a new Battleground that allows flying mounts, just put a duration on the BG so people can't make them last forever by not fighting |
| 20:07.30 | Cryect | its disturbing to think running 165 addons sitting somewhere afk doing nothing for 15 minutes and KTM is using 40% of the CPU usage by addons (heh Ace 2 is also using 40% but hey I had like 120 ace addons running or so) |
| 20:07.35 | kenlyric | NightHawkTheSane: I tend to think of beta phase as when it can go more than two days without an update :) |
| 20:07.56 | Amadeo | kenlyric: This is a ckknight addon, that will be never :P |
| 20:08.15 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: lol, well there's a distinct difference between bugfix updates and feature updates, the latter simply means its in active development :p |
| 20:08.17 | *** join/#wowace Reality_ (n=Dek@rrcs-24-173-17-197.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 20:08.19 | kenlyric | s/update/bugfix/ |
| 20:08.25 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 20:08.33 | ckknight | Amadeo: that's not true. FuBar and Cartographer are out of beta. |
| 20:08.41 | Amadeo | ckknight: Not beta, but they get updated all the time |
| 20:08.42 | Xuerian | Not spiritually |
| 20:08.44 | Xuerian | They're like children |
| 20:08.44 | ckknight | Amadeo: PitBull will be out of beta once I start my next beta. |
| 20:08.45 | vhaarr | Cryect: :P |
| 20:08.48 | kenlyric | I don't care about them being out of beta. |
| 20:08.49 | ckknight | Amadeo: not really. |
| 20:08.49 | Xuerian | "You'll always be my alpha!" |
| 20:08.55 | ckknight | Amadeo: not FuBar, at least |
| 20:09.00 | Xuerian | "No matter how many people download you..." |
| 20:09.04 | Amadeo | ckknight: ok fine! |
| 20:09.04 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, FuBar hardly ever gets updates |
| 20:09.12 | Amadeo | but in my mind it does |
| 20:09.15 | kenlyric | I just don't want to use something while it's in primary production, when lots of things are bound to change. |
| 20:09.19 | ckknight | and Cartographer only really gets updates for patch days. |
| 20:09.23 | kenlyric | except quartz, because it's awesome. |
| 20:09.36 | ckknight | kenlyric: and PitBull isn't awesome? |
| 20:09.39 | Cryect | Cartographer get the instance maps fixed yet? |
| 20:09.39 | Fisker- | quartz is awesome! |
| 20:09.46 | ckknight | Cryect: yep. |
| 20:09.52 | ckknight | Cryect: crazy bug. |
| 20:09.52 | kenlyric | ckknight: I have not yet found a reason to use it over my current unit frames, no. |
| 20:09.59 | ckknight | kenlyric: antipants. |
| 20:10.11 | Cryect | ckknight: Heh, I can imagine |
| 20:10.14 | NightHawkTheSane | The buff filtering alone is reason enough, imo. |
| 20:10.23 | ckknight | Cryect: issue on blizzard's end |
| 20:10.26 | kenlyric | NightHawkTheSane: maybe, when it's done :) |
| 20:10.33 | Amadeo | kenlyric uses a modified Discord layout with Ram graphics on each side of the screen |
| 20:10.41 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: hey, that's being worked on |
| 20:10.45 | kenlyric | lol |
| 20:11.07 | kenlyric | like spooky vision on south park? |
| 20:11.12 | Amadeo | haha |
| 20:11.30 | kenlyric | I us ag's very fine product. |
| 20:11.49 | ckknight | meh, PitBull is a reactionary addon to agUF |
| 20:11.50 | NightHawkTheSane | er, i meant pitbull's buff filtering is reason enough to use it over other UF's, to be sure. :P |
| 20:12.02 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: oh. yea, definitely. |
| 20:12.14 | Cryect | yeah I assume PitBull is to take care of all the bugs that keep popping up in agUF everytime something gets changed :-p |
| 20:12.46 | Matrix110 | I dont use Pitbull either just because iam used to my own layout and dont want to make it for Pitbull |
| 20:13.01 | ckknight | Matrix110: lamer. |
| 20:13.12 | Matrix110 | iam just lazy:P |
| 20:13.31 | Matrix110 | and i like the things integrated in nurfed iam using |
| 20:13.31 | ckknight | Cryect: PitBull was actually made because I was angry that agUF didn't show all the raid groups in AB |
| 20:13.42 | ckknight | Matrix110: such as? |
| 20:13.56 | Matrix110 | well there are replacement addons for everything |
| 20:13.59 | sbu | ckknight: i will |
| 20:14.08 | Amadeo | I had two problems with agUF...one was I couldn't move buffs/debuffs around, and the other was the lag I had in raid groups when people joined/left |
| 20:14.10 | ckknight | Cryect: and I tried to hack it, and it was too unwieldy and poorly structured |
| 20:14.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ZealotOnAStick: lol, i always hate importing into mysql, one little mistake in the file and something borks. >< |
| 20:14.29 | Matrix110 | but mainly its just because i dont want to spent some days to make my layout work properly:P |
| 20:14.42 | *** join/#wowace zweetzak (n=bla@c529cfab7.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:14.43 | ckknight | Amadeo: does PitBull have that lag? I haven't noticed it |
| 20:14.49 | kenlyric | ckknight: heh, you used a unitframe addon for raids? sick bastard. |
| 20:14.49 | Amadeo | ckknight: I haven't noticed it either |
| 20:14.57 | ckknight | kenlyric: it was AB |
| 20:15.11 | *** part/#wowace zweetzak (n=bla@c529cfab7.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:15.15 | kenlyric | ok. It's still a raid :) |
| 20:15.16 | ckknight | kenlyric: now I use PitBull with a flat list sorted by class |
| 20:15.30 | ZealotOnAStick | Mainly, I keep getting an error when I try to do it via command line that the mysql server can't be connected to via socket. |
| 20:15.37 | Amadeo | ckknight: Only slightly initially if I join a BG early before the raid forms, and my group frames disappear, that's all I've noticed |
| 20:15.48 | kenlyric | does it hide people when I can't dispel their goddomn fears so shut up and stop asking me? |
| 20:15.58 | *** join/#wowace JoshBorke (n=Josh@r54h77.res.gatech.edu) |
| 20:16.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ZealotOnAStick: that's a larger problem than a borked import. Something's up with the sql server ten |
| 20:16.04 | *** join/#wowace Elkano (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-191.handshake.de) |
| 20:16.07 | NightHawkTheSane | s/ten/then |
| 20:16.09 | ckknight | kenlyric: it doesn't show their fears if you can't dispel them. |
| 20:16.18 | kenlyric | ckknight: if they're out of range? |
| 20:16.37 | kenlyric | i want people who are out of range to disappear from my world entirely :) |
| 20:16.37 | ckknight | kenlyric: it'll make them slightly transparent (with PitBull_RangeCheck) |
| 20:16.50 | kenlyric | and possibly not be able to talk to me at all. |
| 20:17.06 | *** join/#wowace Ominous (i=HydraIRC@85-210-59-67.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 20:17.10 | knarf- | Is there any bg queue managers around theese days thats updated? |
| 20:17.22 | Fisker- | someone bugged some acecomm |
| 20:17.27 | Fisker- | i'm getting spammed with afk :/ |
| 20:17.40 | *** join/#wowace zweetzak (n=bla@c529cfab7.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:17.49 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:17.50 | Matrix110 | ShutUp or what it was called mod does wonder |
| 20:18.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: ping |
| 20:18.03 | ckknight | Fisker-: ah, that's fixed in WoW 2.1, so I'm just not gonna worry about it. |
| 20:18.08 | Matrix110 | StopTheSpam was it |
| 20:18.09 | Fisker- | heh |
| 20:18.33 | kenlyric | spamsentry turned into failsentry today. |
| 20:18.37 | Amadeo | Remember when this channel was quiet most of the time? :) |
| 20:18.48 | NightHawkTheSane | quiet is lame |
| 20:18.49 | Fisker- | how so? |
| 20:18.57 | Matrix110 | i dunno tbh why the changed so much @SpamSentry if it gets useless sooon |
| 20:19.07 | kergoth | useless? how so? |
| 20:19.11 | Pucmel | it wont |
| 20:19.12 | sbu | not useless |
| 20:19.15 | zweetzak | hey, wondering if anybody could help me a lil with making a dropdwn menu |
| 20:19.17 | sbu | just the reporting function |
| 20:19.18 | Pucmel | blizzards way .. screwed way .. mostly |
| 20:19.30 | kenlyric | it doesn't actually seem to sentry anymore. |
| 20:19.36 | Matrix110 | And well tbh |
| 20:19.38 | sbu | hm |
| 20:19.43 | Kalman | kenlyric: How so? |
| 20:19.49 | kenlyric | or it went from 100% success rate to 100% fail rate because the spammers got smart. |
| 20:19.55 | *** join/#wowace mexicaan (n=asd@c529c9a5f.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:19.59 | Matrix110 | getting a 2line message from SpamSentry or the actually goldmessage isnt that much diffrence |
| 20:20.00 | kenlyric | Kalman: it lets every single spam message through now. |
| 20:20.02 | Kalman | I haven't had it miss any yet. |
| 20:20.10 | kenlyric | Matrix110: I turn off all reporting functions. |
| 20:20.28 | kenlyric | I just have it silently filter out the spam, and it stopped doing it this morning. |
| 20:20.34 | kenlyric | I should probably make sure it isn't throwing some sort of error on load :) |
| 20:20.44 | zweetzak | can anybody help me with a dropdown menu? |
| 20:20.54 | ckknight | zweetzak: Blizzard or Dewdrop? |
| 20:21.03 | zweetzak | blizz |
| 20:21.15 | ckknight | zweetzak: use Dewdrop. |
| 20:21.24 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 20:21.27 | ckknight | Blizzard's is a pain in the ass |
| 20:21.28 | Keita | dewdrop = ez |
| 20:21.35 | Kaydeethree | get updates to spamsentry, one was released on the 12th |
| 20:21.35 | Kaydeethree | just like any anti-annoyance software, it's gotta be updated to catch all of the crap |
| 20:21.43 | Kaydeethree | oh wow, lag |
| 20:21.58 | onuris1 | so theres no way to edit a lua file to position the windows by coords? |
| 20:21.59 | kenlyric | yeah, I update daily, pretty much. |
| 20:22.14 | ckknight | onuris1: you could mess with the SV. |
| 20:22.58 | kergoth | spamsentry works just fine here |
| 20:23.35 | kergoth | blocked 12 people this morning so far |
| 20:23.50 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.59 | Fisker- | someone linked youtube and it triggered |
| 20:24.08 | Keita | uh |
| 20:24.12 | Keita | dont scare me |
| 20:24.42 | CIA-23 | 03seerah * r35436 10SharedMedia/ (SharedMedia.lua statusbar/Lyfe.tga): |
| 20:24.42 | CIA-23 | SharedMedia |
| 20:24.42 | CIA-23 | - added Lyfe's bar texture |
| 20:24.47 | mexicaan | hi, how do i escape aspecialn charater in string.format() functiuon ? |
| 20:25.30 | CIA-23 | 03phyber * r35437 10XPBarNone/Core.lua: |
| 20:25.30 | CIA-23 | XPBarNone: |
| 20:25.31 | CIA-23 | - Made some more functions local. Probably other stuff too. |
| 20:25.59 | ckknight | mexicaan: http://www.lua.org/pil |
| 20:26.31 | onuris1 | ck: nice work, i like the extra features than AG |
| 20:26.43 | onuris1 | i havent played wow in 6 odd months so i have to rebuild my UI from scratch |
| 20:26.52 | mexicaan | String.format("%d%", x) someone tell me the expression how to escape the 2nd % |
| 20:27.50 | ckknight | onuris1: be sure to get the extra addons that go along with it, e.g. PitBull_EstimatedHeals, PitBull_Banzai, etc. |
| 20:27.50 | ckknight | mexicaan: %% |
| 20:27.50 | *** part/#wowace zweetzak (n=bla@c529cfab7.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:28.40 | *** part/#wowace mexicaan (n=asd@c529c9a5f.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:28.51 | Angry_Dwarf | is there a way to disable the healthbar recoloring in pitbull? |
| 20:28.56 | Angry_Dwarf | i see options to change colors |
| 20:29.17 | evl | Hmms, someone borked the CastbarIcon fix! :() |
| 20:31.04 | onuris` | what are some good action bar mods now? |
| 20:31.06 | onuris` | bongos? |
| 20:31.57 | ckknight | Angry_Dwarf: there are many options to change colors. |
| 20:32.06 | Angry_Dwarf | right but I want to disable the gradient |
| 20:32.23 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Jarentha@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 20:32.32 | Angry_Dwarf | coloring my healthbars by class seems counterintuitive if they are gonna change colors based on amount |
| 20:32.36 | Angry_Dwarf | =p |
| 20:32.46 | ckknight | Angry_Dwarf: they don't. |
| 20:33.22 | ckknight | it only colors as a gradient if it's not coloring by class or hostility |
| 20:34.16 | Angry_Dwarf | ah ok |
| 20:40.23 | CIA-23 | 03bom * r35438 10Depot/ (Depot.lua locales/Depot-deDE.lua locales/Depot-enUS.lua): |
| 20:40.23 | CIA-23 | Depot: |
| 20:40.23 | CIA-23 | - added color and alpha change |
| 20:40.32 | Xuerian | onuris`: I use Bongos, but Bartender3 is another. |
| 20:40.38 | Funkeh` | shieldb: kill mechanic on void reaver death |
| 20:40.50 | Saroz | Bongos ftw tbh |
| 20:42.19 | *** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Jarentha@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 20:43.16 | Funkeh` | i think bt3's recent performance changes can put it ahead |
| 20:43.52 | *** join/#wowace Kaelten (n=kaelten@69.109.103.158) |
| 20:46.51 | Bruners | what is the news on the patch? |
| 20:47.06 | Bruners | is it comming this week? |
| 20:47.22 | Xuerian | The speculation is that since the PTR is going down and scheduled to come back online, it's next week |
| 20:48.18 | Funkeh` | ptr is down amt? |
| 20:48.21 | Funkeh` | atm* |
| 20:48.30 | Funkeh` | they need to implement the anti-spam stuff |
| 20:48.31 | *** join/#wowace Hjalte (i=Hjalte@0x573374aa.svgnxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 20:48.41 | Funkeh` | so cahnces of it being this week are slim to nul |
| 20:50.34 | Chompers | and the rest of the epic changes |
| 20:51.05 | Necrathex | is there any alternative to sw_stats that is easier on resources? |
| 20:51.39 | Funkeh` | violation is in early development |
| 20:51.48 | Funkeh` | soon it will compete |
| 20:52.26 | Megalon | the same you could say for duke nukem forever :P |
| 20:52.42 | *** join/#wowace sunset (n=sun@ARouen-152-1-87-194.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:52.47 | Funkeh` | not really |
| 20:54.15 | kenlyric | there's a playable demo of violation |
| 20:54.21 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: zing! |
| 20:54.23 | kenlyric | it just lacks features. |
| 20:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | (as opposed to DNF, that is) |
| 20:56.10 | kergoth | Elkano: is there a way to scale up the icon size in elkbuffbars? have a group with the statusbar and text hidden, but the icons are tiny :) |
| 20:56.21 | kenlyric | DNF lacks the feature of existing. |
| 20:56.31 | Elkano | increase the height |
| 20:56.43 | CIA-23 | 03saroz * r35439 10FuBar_CombatTimeFu/ (FuBar_CombatTimeFu.lua FuBar_CombatTimeFu.toc libs/): FuBar_CombatTimeFu: Metrognome is so last week |
| 20:56.43 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:56.45 | kergoth | right then, thanks |
| 20:56.53 | kergoth | <3 elkbuffbars btw, been using buffalo, but this is sexy |
| 20:56.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:57.54 | Punkie` | !seen nymbia |
| 20:57.54 | Diao | nymbia!n=nymbia@71-218-137-239.hlrn.qwest.net was last seen 15 hr 46 min 35 s ago on #wowace |
| 20:58.00 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:58.15 | NightHawkTheSane | suppose i should give ebbs i shot,. |
| 20:58.18 | vhaarr | well, he beats purl. |
| 20:58.19 | CIA-23 | 03ominous * r35440 10ClassTimer/ (Bars/Rogue.lua Locales/enUS.lua RuleSet.lua): ClassTimer: added All in one grp, unteasted |
| 20:58.20 | kergoth | Elkano: i set it to 40 via the text box, hit enter, close the menu and go back in, and its 20 again :| |
| 20:59.09 | Fisker- | o hi i just upgraded your ram |
| 20:59.31 | CIA-23 | 03funkydude * r35441 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: Spell: add deDE |
| 21:00.50 | evl | http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb193/sp4ce_otto_7/11463367968047qu.jpg |
| 21:00.52 | evl | i lol'ed! |
| 21:01.19 | Funkeh` | thats so lame i might cry |
| 21:01.32 | evl | I cried a bit |
| 21:02.03 | Daemona | its plain stupid |
| 21:02.23 | Daemona | is EBBs usable beta? |
| 21:02.35 | Daemona | or do i have to stick with EBB a bit longer? |
| 21:02.45 | Funkeh` | im using it fine Daemona |
| 21:02.55 | Megalon | me too |
| 21:03.03 | Berkz | how can I find out spell query name for Shadow Word: pain ? |
| 21:03.49 | Saint-N | So this baby seal walks into a club.... |
| 21:04.04 | Elkano | kergoth, bug in dewdrop? |
| 21:04.08 | kebinusan | bleh @ new ptr patch today |
| 21:04.14 | kebinusan | means no 2.1 tomorrow |
| 21:04.28 | Saint-N | did they add 40% more gay? |
| 21:04.37 | evl | Yes, but only on spell crit |
| 21:04.50 | Saint-N | that ewpic druid flight form kind of pisses me off |
| 21:04.53 | Saint-N | epic |
| 21:04.58 | evl | because? |
| 21:05.05 | Saint-N | well cuz i have to pay 5k for mine |
| 21:05.14 | Saint-N | and druids can farm shitloads better than most classes |
| 21:05.16 | Cryect | and they have to pay for it as well |
| 21:05.20 | evl | maybe you need to stop reading stuff upside down! |
| 21:05.20 | Saint-N | oh they do? |
| 21:05.22 | evl | they have to pay 5k |
| 21:05.24 | Cryect | epic flight form isn't free |
| 21:05.27 | Kaydeethree | druids have to have 300 mount skill before they can even get the quest |
| 21:05.33 | Saint-N | oh see thats where i was misled |
| 21:05.34 | evl | only the actual mount is free, so 200g saved! |
| 21:05.49 | kenlyric | I sneezed once and 200g came out. |
| 21:05.50 | Saint-N | okay that doesnt piss me off anymore |
| 21:05.51 | evl | and if you can afford 5k you can certainly afford another 200 :P |
| 21:06.14 | Saint-N | 15k health 40000000 armor does though ;P |
| 21:06.22 | Cryect | yeah and the time it takes to do the questline you could get 200G or so its not like the lvl 40 warlock/paladin mount quests :-p |
| 21:06.29 | kenlyric | Saint-N: just crush them. |
| 21:06.38 | kenlyric | repeatedly, very quickly. |
| 21:06.40 | evl | I just expose armor them, rupture and watch them turn into steatk |
| 21:06.41 | Saint-N | hehe |
| 21:06.49 | kenlyric | oh, and throw infernals at their healers :) |
| 21:07.02 | Saint-N | whats that little druid you're coming out of bear form to heal??? *silence* yeah thats what i thought.. mb sw:D |
| 21:07.22 | evl | but feral druids are <3 |
| 21:07.28 | Saint-N | heh |
| 21:07.28 | evl | for me! rogue! |
| 21:07.34 | Saint-N | for my bday wifey got me a ! hat |
| 21:07.45 | Xuerian | Damn straight, you love our auras. |
| 21:07.45 | Saint-N | and a t-shirt that reads "will fix computers for braaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnsssssssss" |
| 21:07.53 | Kaydeethree | ahaha |
| 21:07.53 | evl | Xuerian: I love the mangle buff more |
| 21:07.58 | Xuerian | :p |
| 21:08.00 | Kaydeethree | I need to get me a shirt that says that |
| 21:08.07 | Saint-N | i do computer consulting |
| 21:08.09 | kebinusan | I wish lod modules were set as externals or something so once they are unpacked I dont need to download them from the svn when I update again |
| 21:08.19 | Saint-N | to small to medium businesses and wear it fequently ;P |
| 21:08.43 | Saint-N | today was my evil dead the musical t-shirt day |
| 21:09.11 | Saint-N | when i went to the lacuna coil show saturday all the bartenders and waitresses worked or had friends work on evil dead the musical when it was in nyc |
| 21:09.20 | Saint-N | so i paid for 1 whole drink the eholw night |
| 21:09.23 | Saint-N | whole |
| 21:09.33 | Saint-N | "cuz you went and saw it and have an awesome shirt" |
| 21:10.23 | Ominous | will gem work next patch? |
| 21:10.37 | Ominous | as it uses chat loads |
| 21:10.41 | Saint-N | only if the holograms come |
| 21:11.03 | Ominous | wont the chat throtteling affect its messaging? |
| 21:11.31 | Berkz | Any1 know of a method to determin the query name of an ad-hoc debuff other than the one posted here .. http://www.wowwiki.com/Check_Hunter_Mark ? |
| 21:12.21 | Berkz | the method there is not working out for me |
| 21:14.47 | *** join/#wowace MoonWolf (i=MoonWolf@89.98.118.158) |
| 21:14.47 | *** mode/#wowace [+o MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 21:17.18 | *** join/#wowace dotted (n=me@0x555157c7.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 21:18.00 | Fisker- | dotted |
| 21:18.04 | Fisker- | 5 days, and... |
| 21:18.06 | Fisker- | THE LOST VIKINGS |
| 21:18.17 | Fisker- | would be the GREATEST plottwist of all times |
| 21:19.07 | Kaydeethree | yup |
| 21:19.11 | abyssichate | the lost vikings II |
| 21:19.15 | abyssichate | or was there already a 2 ? |
| 21:19.46 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 21:20.04 | Fisker- | you should be beheaded for those sinful remarks? |
| 21:20.05 | Fisker- | :P |
| 21:20.09 | dotted | no fucking way |
| 21:20.21 | Fisker- | YES WAY |
| 21:20.23 | dotted | starcraft an you know it |
| 21:20.24 | abyssichate | Oh yes, it's the 2 that I played |
| 21:20.36 | Fisker- | I would seriously lol if they decided to make a new franchise |
| 21:20.49 | abyssichate | no wait, it was the 1 :(. |
| 21:20.51 | Fisker- | although it's somewhat obvious they've been working on D3 and SC2 for a while |
| 21:20.58 | Cryect | There was already a 2 :-p |
| 21:21.00 | abyssichate | D3? I wouldn't say so |
| 21:21.05 | Cryect | so Lost vikings 3! |
| 21:21.31 | Cryect | its SC2 they are announcing but yes D3 has been in development as well for a while |
| 21:21.35 | Fisker- | They've been looking for RPG based jobs for a while |
| 21:21.45 | abyssichate | that's true |
| 21:21.55 | abyssichate | well, I wish it was Diablo 3 or something like "world of diablo" |
| 21:22.13 | Cryect | They've started up a new project hence recently looking for new people |
| 21:22.14 | Fisker- | well the early rumors were Good vs evil MMO-like |
| 21:22.36 | Cryect | that project has lots of NDA's I hear on it |
| 21:22.57 | Fisker- | The new project is a MMO |
| 21:22.59 | Cryect | makes me sad since hard to hear much about it |
| 21:23.00 | Cryect | right |
| 21:23.32 | *** join/#wowace Galka___ (n=Galka@pool-72-88-163-164.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:23.35 | abyssichate | anyway, I reckon that SC2 is likely to be the proper pick of them all |
| 21:23.36 | Xuerian | Didn't they say this current project *isn't* starcraft, though they're going to do something starcraft in the future? |
| 21:23.48 | Cryect | No |
| 21:23.58 | Xuerian | Coulda sworn I saw a quote to that effect |
| 21:24.20 | Cryect | they have multiple development teams & projects going on at once |
| 21:24.31 | Xuerian | That's why I said "this current" |
| 21:24.35 | Amadeo | especially with all that cash they have now :P |
| 21:25.03 | abyssichate | www.starcraft2.com |
| 21:25.06 | *** join/#wowace Guillotine (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 21:25.17 | Cryect | Having a domain name unfortunately means little |
| 21:25.27 | abyssichate | yeah |
| 21:25.36 | Xuerian | Means good planning, not necessarily next game :p |
| 21:25.38 | Cryect | I think its going to be Rock and Roll Racing 2 |
| 21:25.47 | Xuerian | Now don't get me wrong, I would love http://capricasix.com/blizz_.jpg to see that |
| 21:27.09 | Cryect | I'm more interested to see if they are going to announce some of the other backend stuff they've been working on or not yet |
| 21:30.14 | Cryect | The era of free online gaming is almost over it seems lets say :( Kinda interesting things started off being paid for things like Kali then went to free and now things seem to be head back to pay for |
| 21:31.28 | Xuerian | I wouldn't mind PTP games as much if they used CCP/EVE's take on things |
| 21:31.45 | Thorgard | Muwah |
| 21:32.10 | *** join/#wowace Thrae (i=generalm@c-68-49-121-236.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:32.21 | Cryect | what do you mean by that? Free Expansions? |
| 21:32.24 | Thorgard | So nobody knows why Violation's tracking mob damage and adding them to the list for 'damage done'? |
| 21:32.24 | Xuerian | Steady monthly rate, 5$ extra for the initial month. Expansions free, updates regular |
| 21:32.57 | vhaarr | Thorgard: it'll be fixed shortly |
| 21:32.59 | Xuerian | There's really no point in requiring the "Buy the game in the store" step, it annoys me |
| 21:33.03 | Arrowmaster | Thorgard: mindcontrol, enslave demon? |
| 21:33.04 | Amadeo | Xuerian: I really like EVE's subscription model |
| 21:33.07 | Thorgard | vhaarr, ah, a'right. |
| 21:33.20 | Daemona | ptr patch is seeded |
| 21:33.23 | Xuerian | Amadeo: Amen. |
| 21:33.35 | Cryect | Blizzard from what I what I'm understanding going more to a Sony All Access pass type model |
| 21:33.52 | Xuerian | How's that? |
| 21:33.53 | Amadeo | the only problem I'd have with that from a business perspective, what about users who pick up the game 3 years on? they get everything for nearly free |
| 21:33.57 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 21:34.31 | Cryect | You will pay one fee for online Diablo 3, SC2, WoW, and what other games they come out with |
| 21:34.40 | Cryect | And a box fee for the ability to use it |
| 21:34.44 | Xuerian | I wouldn't mind that, so long as it's not over 20$ |
| 21:34.47 | Amadeo | I won't pay to play Diablo, unless it's an MMOG |
| 21:34.55 | Xuerian | Well |
| 21:34.56 | Amadeo | nor SC2 if it's just an RTS :P |
| 21:34.57 | Cryect | well it would be one fee |
| 21:35.05 | Xuerian | No, scratch that, if they're *MMO* I wouldn't mind |
| 21:35.05 | Amadeo | yeah but the fee would increase |
| 21:35.09 | Amadeo | to like $25/month |
| 21:35.10 | Amadeo | haha |
| 21:35.18 | kenlyric | I hate MMOs |
| 21:35.27 | kenlyric | I don't want all my games turning into MMO. |
| 21:35.31 | ckknight | you know what I think blizz should do? |
| 21:35.47 | ckknight | if you have a subscription to more than one Blizz game, have the second be cheaper |
| 21:35.49 | kenlyric | and I refuse to rent a game that isn't providing continual service. |
| 21:36.01 | ckknight | WoW + SC2 together could be cheaper than separate |
| 21:36.17 | Cryect | Anyways we will have to wait for details unless someone knows some stuff from a marketting person :-p |
| 21:36.17 | Xuerian | Yeah, I'm not saying they should go mmo, It just hadn't clicked in my head that they might actually conceive charging for matchmaking services |
| 21:36.35 | Amadeo | I don't think they will |
| 21:36.40 | ckknight | imho, I have no real issue if they charge for Battle.net, as long as the fee isn't exorbitant |
| 21:36.48 | Xuerian | For battle.net? 5$/mo |
| 21:36.51 | Amadeo | because if Blizzard starts charging for an RTS like SC2, people like Flagship won't for their games |
| 21:37.04 | Xuerian | Battle.net, all games. Not per game |
| 21:37.12 | *** join/#wowace Josh_Borke (n=jk275@antimatter.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 21:37.16 | ckknight | Xuerian: yea, that'd be cool. |
| 21:37.25 | Amadeo | but they'd have charges on top of it |
| 21:37.26 | Amadeo | so it would be |
| 21:37.28 | ckknight | Xuerian: or even $15/month if WoW were included. |
| 21:37.33 | Amadeo | $5 for Bnet, and $10 for WoW :P |
| 21:37.39 | Xuerian | ckknight: Yes, I can see that |
| 21:37.41 | ckknight | yea, that'd be cool, imho |
| 21:37.50 | Cryect | basically it would be all games with the idea you aren't using a service if you are using another service with the same account |
| 21:37.52 | ckknight | I mean, I understand they have server fees |
| 21:37.54 | Xuerian | So long as they include direct connect/lan games still |
| 21:37.55 | ckknight | and need to make a profit |
| 21:38.04 | *** join/#wowace |Kev|_ (i=kismith@81.168.22.42) |
| 21:38.09 | Xuerian | But the thing is, RTS games have been free online play for ages |
| 21:38.12 | Xuerian | And it obviously worked |
| 21:38.15 | ckknight | Cryect: right |
| 21:38.15 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 21:38.19 | Amadeo | bah brb |
| 21:38.20 | ckknight | Xuerian: true |
| 21:38.25 | Xuerian | Unless *THEY* intend to host *ALL* the games |
| 21:38.42 | ckknight | well, battle.net does that. |
| 21:38.45 | Cryect | How many free online servers have been up for years besides lbattle.net |
| 21:38.58 | Xuerian | ckknight: For the official matches, yes |
| 21:39.05 | Xuerian | But they also have in-game advertising and sponsors |
| 21:39.10 | Xuerian | well, in-lobby |
| 21:39.19 | ckknight | yea, I'm not too fond of that, if I've already paid. |
| 21:39.27 | Xuerian | Cryect: Tribes2 |
| 21:39.28 | Xuerian | NWN |
| 21:39.47 | Cryect | They have official NWN and Tribes 2 servers up? |
| 21:39.59 | Cryect | I thought that stuff was all player run servers |
| 21:40.01 | Xuerian | No, but the official matchmaking servers are still online |
| 21:40.08 | Cryect | oh okay |
| 21:40.14 | Cryect | thats cool |
| 21:40.25 | Cryect | Heh they still have the tribes matchmaking services up? :-p |
| 21:40.28 | Cryect | I never liked tribes 2 |
| 21:40.30 | Xuerian | ... |
| 21:40.40 | Xuerian | If you only played Base mod, you can be excused |
| 21:40.48 | Xuerian | If you played Meltdown 2 or similar, you must die. |
| 21:40.51 | Cryect | yeah I only played base |
| 21:40.56 | Cryect | I didn't really like the physics |
| 21:40.56 | Xuerian | Well then that's excusable :P |
| 21:41.06 | Cryect | THe physics were like completely different |
| 21:41.15 | Xuerian | it was a air-based game :P |
| 21:41.24 | *** join/#wowace Nightdew_ (n=Nightdew@24.30.120.48) |
| 21:41.33 | *** part/#wowace Nightdew_ (n=Nightdew@24.30.120.48) |
| 21:41.35 | Cryect | It was like the change in physics from Quake 1 to Quake 2 type change :-p |
| 21:41.39 | Xuerian | heheh |
| 21:41.53 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=100340669&sid=1&pageNo=1 <-made of win |
| 21:44.11 | Kemayo | NightHawkTheSane: Pong? |
| 21:44.11 | *** join/#wowace snirks (n=snorks@18.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:44.13 | *** join/#wowace Laric (i=Laric@217-13-2-126.dd.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:45.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: was perusing wowace.py, and noticed you specify the path for OSX as /Applications, but I keep it in ~/Applications, so you may want to try and account for that? |
| 21:45.41 | Laric | is 2.1 going live this week? |
| 21:45.45 | Cryect | no |
| 21:45.46 | Cryect | 22nd |
| 21:45.51 | Laric | oki |
| 21:45.53 | Cryect | as has been said for a while :-p |
| 21:46.01 | Cryect | they just put a new patch on PTR |
| 21:46.15 | Laric | oki havent seen that it was going next week :P |
| 21:46.30 | abyssichate | they upgraded arena items as well as outdoor bosses with the latest PTR patch |
| 21:46.44 | abyssichate | there should be nothing left now I think |
| 21:47.04 | Kaydeethree | have they? I've not been able to leech the build yet |
| 21:47.05 | Cryect | Well there was lots of boss changes & bug fixes that needed to go in as well |
| 21:47.13 | abyssichate | Yeah, they have |
| 21:47.32 | CIA-23 | 03funkydude * r35442 10BigWigs/TheEye/Solarian.lua: BigWigs: TheEye/Solarian: better way to disable proximity |
| 21:49.11 | Kemayo | NightHawkTheSane: Good point -- I'll add something. |
| 21:49.11 | *** part/#wowace Punkie` (n=~@host86-130-2-120.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:49.12 | Kemayo | NightHawkTheSane: I was mainly guessing -- I don't have a mac capable of playing WoW. :) |
| 21:50.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: *nod* yeah, well the guess wasnt bad, just that the user's own APp directory is a pretty common place as well |
| 21:51.29 | *** join/#wowace Thrae (i=generalm@c-68-49-121-236.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:53.18 | *** join/#wowace Parak (i=PROFI@user-387hhso.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 21:53.20 | sedatedChipmunk | hm |
| 21:53.22 | Saroz | http://sourceforge.net/projects/wowaceupdater is the correct updater? |
| 21:53.24 | Saroz | right? |
| 21:53.25 | Thrae | http://tinyurl.com/ylk6x8 |
| 21:53.32 | Saroz | need to teach nubs in guild how to update mods |
| 21:53.43 | Xuerian | wowaceupdater.sf.net |
| 21:53.47 | Xuerian | That's shorter than yours :D |
| 21:53.48 | Chompers | hehe |
| 21:53.58 | Chompers | everyone has old version of bigwigs in my guild |
| 21:54.03 | pastamancer | make them use WUU, it will keep their KTM and SWStats up to date too |
| 21:54.05 | hyperChipmunk | anyone know offhand if foo = bar or baz or return will work as expected? |
| 21:54.17 | pastamancer | hyperChipmunk: no |
| 21:54.19 | Saroz | link to WUU?= |
| 21:54.23 | Chompers | why cant they update :S |
| 21:54.25 | hyperChipmunk | phooey =) |
| 21:54.38 | pastamancer | http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ |
| 21:54.39 | Xuerian | <3 monster inline logic statements |
| 21:54.41 | Daemona | http://www.koaschten.de/wow/ptr/WoW-0.1.0.6655-to-0.1.0.6678-enGB-patch.exe |
| 21:54.44 | Daemona | -.- fc |
| 21:54.56 | hyperChipmunk | >8D |
| 21:55.04 | hyperChipmunk | Xuerian: you know it |
| 21:55.06 | nevcairiel | 6678 |
| 21:55.07 | nevcairiel | oh nice |
| 21:55.07 | undu | Well, as with everything here in life most people are convinced it's more of a hassle than it really is and don't bother learning how it works and how easy it is. |
| 21:57.23 | *** join/#wowace Thrae (i=generalm@c-68-49-121-236.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:58.31 | hyperChipmunk | i was going for: local itemID = type(item) == 'number' and item or string.match(item, "item:(%d+)") or return |
| 21:58.40 | hyperChipmunk | and it was on a triple expression score |
| 21:58.44 | Xuerian | local layout = (db.qualitytext and isitem) and 'full' or (not isitem and 'coin' or (db.infotext and 'info' or '')) |
| 21:59.47 | Laric | anyone happens to have a link to blue watch handy? |
| 21:59.55 | Xuerian | It was more fun without parenthesis :( |
| 22:00.16 | Xuerian | http://blue.cardplace.com/ |
| 22:00.21 | Laric | thanks |
| 22:02.38 | sbu | ckknight: http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4519/pitbullaura1ns5.png <-- no spirit shown on druid, rogue + warri - or intended not to be shown on non-mana classes w/ filtering enabled? |
| 22:02.51 | *** join/#wowace zoktar (i=zoktar@c83-249-21-206.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 22:03.12 | ckknight | sbu: no, it doesn't check their class or power type |
| 22:04.16 | *** join/#wowace a-stray-cat (n=stray@adsl-75-26-166-193.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:07.19 | ckknight | sbu: one idea is that they have >16 buffs and it's not showing yours for some reason |
| 22:07.49 | ckknight | sbu: or it might be 8. Is that possible? |
| 22:08.16 | Amadeo | Anyone have some really different looking PitBull frames? I want to see some new stuff besides the agUF look :) |
| 22:08.43 | vhaarr | ckknight: [2007/05/15 00:07:29-3600-x1]: PitBull-r35435\PitBull.lua:940: AceHook-2.1: Attempt to hook a non-existant function "SecurePartyHeader_Update" |
| 22:08.47 | vhaarr | on PTR, on login. |
| 22:08.54 | ckknight | was there a patch? |
| 22:08.56 | vhaarr | yes |
| 22:09.00 | ckknight | that'll do it |
| 22:09.04 | ckknight | somebody get me a framexml diff! |
| 22:09.05 | sbu | ckknight: see buffs on target (top right of the screen) |
| 22:09.12 | vhaarr | Saroz: [2007/05/15 00:07:28-3600-x1]: sRaidFrames\sRaidFrames.lua:185: AceHook-2.1: Attempt to hook a non-existant function "SecureRaidGroupHeader_Update" |
| 22:09.16 | vhaarr | Saroz: sRaidFrames |
| 22:09.18 | sbu | rogue has only 8 buffs |
| 22:09.25 | vhaarr | ag`: [2007/05/15 00:07:32-3600-x1]: ag_UnitFrames-05-01-07\ag_UnitFrames.lua:59: AceHook-2.1: Attempt to hook a non-existant function "SecurePartyHeader_Update" |
| 22:09.45 | ckknight | vhaarr: would you be a doll and diff 6655 with the new patch? |
| 22:10.02 | ckknight | -ru |
| 22:10.04 | *** join/#wowace F0x0r (i=starfox@85-124-129-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 22:10.49 | vhaarr | ckknight: actually I've never extracted any MPQ data, so I don't know how. |
| 22:10.55 | ckknight | ~framexml |
| 22:11.06 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p |
| 22:11.07 | CIA-23 | 03ammo * r35443 10MountMe/Core.lua: MountMe: Stop telling people riding crop doesn't stack with blah blah, they should know by now. |
| 22:11.07 | ckknight | vhaarr: don't worry about it, since you don't have the last one. |
| 22:11.15 | vhaarr | right |
| 22:11.35 | Kaydeethree | mpqedit's saying 17.lua files and 10 .xml files are included in the latest patch |
| 22:11.39 | Saroz | vhaarr? |
| 22:11.53 | vhaarr | Saroz: latest PTR patch, sRaidFrames error |
| 22:11.56 | Saroz | vhaarr, meh they remove the function, pssh |
| 22:11.59 | Saroz | removed* |
| 22:12.09 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 22:12.10 | ckknight | Saroz: I'll figure out a solution as soon as I get a framexml diff |
| 22:12.15 | vhaarr | but it should've been replaced by something |
| 22:12.15 | Saroz | :p |
| 22:12.30 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.32 | ckknight | vhaarr: my guess is they joined the party, raid, and raidpet ones. |
| 22:12.38 | vhaarr | ckknight: sounds reasonable |
| 22:12.39 | Saroz | vhaarr, this changed on the latest build? |
| 22:12.47 | vhaarr | Saroz: yes |
| 22:12.51 | Saroz | brrr |
| 22:12.52 | vhaarr | just logged in 2min ago |
| 22:12.55 | Saroz | k |
| 22:13.05 | *** join/#wowace Scre3m (n=max@24-107-70-71.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 22:13.05 | ckknight | new patch, 6678 |
| 22:13.07 | *** join/#wowace Roartindon (n=jtlim@ppp11-127.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 22:13.32 | Ominous | anyone using ClassTimer on ptr as i havent really had time to test it fully |
| 22:14.03 | ulic | Ominous: trying too, if I ever finish all the little patches I'm behind on :) |
| 22:16.15 | Kaelten | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6062.0 |
| 22:16.21 | Kaelten | in regards to updaters^ |
| 22:16.47 | abyssichate | nice, they nerfed shadow weaving even more |
| 22:16.49 | abyssichate | fuck them. |
| 22:16.55 | yacoob | purl, fuck them! |
| 22:16.59 | zoktar | anyone knoe a addon u can check what ur other char can craft while ur playing an alt or so ? |
| 22:17.06 | dodgizzla | abyssichate: Whaddaya mean, even more? |
| 22:17.12 | yacoob | purl fuck them is <reply>Fuck them yourself! |
| 22:17.13 | purl | yacoob: please, watch your language. |
| 22:17.16 | *** join/#wowace Eej (n=crapwalk@bas7-toronto63-1177551937.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 22:17.19 | abyssichate | you get +1% shadow damage per debuff now |
| 22:17.24 | dodgizzla | WTF |
| 22:17.25 | yacoob | bah, she's not listening to me :) |
| 22:17.50 | Arrowmaster | per debuff? |
| 22:18.52 | Adirelle | abyssichate: I'm maybe dumb, but I don't get the point |
| 22:19.28 | Arrowmaster | per debuff of what? |
| 22:19.38 | abyssichate | The point is that shadow weaving stacked up to five times, with a +2% increase on shadow damage per 'rank', right? |
| 22:20.20 | Adirelle | oh, you meant "you get ONLY +1% shddow damage per application" ? |
| 22:20.25 | abyssichate | yes |
| 22:20.25 | Arrowmaster | no i think it was +2% per each time it stacked |
| 22:20.28 | dodgizzla | pre-2.1.0 it was 3% per application |
| 22:20.33 | dodgizzla | Then they made it 2% per application |
| 22:20.40 | dodgizzla | And now it's down to 1% per? |
| 22:20.44 | Arrowmaster | theres no way it was 3% |
| 22:20.45 | dodgizzla | They GOT to be kidding |
| 22:20.45 | abyssichate | then they made it 1% per application (with the current patch on PTR) |
| 22:20.47 | abyssichate | exactly |
| 22:20.54 | dodgizzla | Arrowmaster: It is on live |
| 22:20.58 | abyssichate | It is 3% on live |
| 22:21.14 | abyssichate | in fact you get a total of +15% to shadow damage once all five applications are up |
| 22:21.14 | *** join/#wowace art3mis (n=art3mis@ool-18b9f13e.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:21.25 | Arrowmaster | wait i thought it was +20% |
| 22:21.43 | abyssichate | you are probably counting Misery which gives +5% to all magic damages |
| 22:21.46 | dodgizzla | nope, +3% per application, totaling to +15% with 5 apps |
| 22:21.57 | Arrowmaster | swear it was +20% total back before 2.0 |
| 22:22.15 | dodgizzla | Ah dunno, before 2.0 I was healbotting my way through raids :> |
| 22:22.24 | abyssichate | It's always been 15% |
| 22:22.34 | abyssichate | I am pretty sure :s |
| 22:23.16 | dodgizzla | Maybe we get a new icon instead... |
| 22:24.00 | Arrowmaster | ok so then on 2.1 ptr it was 2%? now your saying its 1% |
| 22:24.05 | Arrowmaster | where are you getting this info |
| 22:24.09 | kebinusan | Where you seeing this 1% shadow weaving note at? dont see anything on test realm forums |
| 22:24.15 | dodgizzla | Arrowmaster: He's talking about the newest patch |
| 22:24.19 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 22:24.23 | Arrowmaster | im on ptr right now |
| 22:25.12 | dodgizzla | Hm just got on there too |
| 22:25.18 | dodgizzla | Tooltip in the talent window says 2% |
| 22:25.49 | Arrowmaster | im thinking he looked at the patch notes and saw the "reduced by 1% per rank" thing again |
| 22:25.58 | kergoth | ckknight: in elkbuffbars, on a slider that goes from 0-100, it doesnt let me go higher than 20. |
| 22:26.28 | ckknight | odd... |
| 22:27.04 | ckknight | I didn't know EBB used Dewdrop |
| 22:27.09 | kergoth | yeah, i thought so too. when i drag it above 20, it jumps back down |
| 22:27.12 | *** join/#wowace Killmore (i=task@modemcable031.191-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 22:27.16 | kergoth | its its fubar plugin |
| 22:27.16 | dodgizzla | It's still +2% per application |
| 22:27.19 | kergoth | the right click menu |
| 22:27.20 | dodgizzla | just tested it, phew |
| 22:27.48 | dodgizzla | hm I could test classtimer now |
| 22:29.03 | Adirelle | is 6678 really the latest patch ? I'm reinstalling the test client for EU realms and it is downloading it... |
| 22:29.09 | CIA-23 | 03bom * r35444 10Depot/Depot.toc: |
| 22:29.09 | CIA-23 | Depot: |
| 22:29.09 | CIA-23 | - delete version in toc |
| 22:29.17 | vhaarr | Adirelle: yes |
| 22:29.23 | dodgizzla | WoW-0.1.0.6655-to-0.1.0.6678-enGB-patch.exe is what I just installed |
| 22:29.53 | Adirelle | oki, didn't know they deployed them in the same time on both side of atlantic |
| 22:30.13 | vhaarr | they always did, afaik |
| 22:30.16 | vhaarr | for test realms |
| 22:32.18 | Daemona | Adirelle |
| 22:32.18 | Daemona | eu realms are us-hosted |
| 22:32.18 | Daemona | ptr that is |
| 22:32.31 | Adirelle | this may explain that |
| 22:32.31 | Daemona | and if you need ptr patches i just uploaded the europe enGB ones to www.koaschten.de/wow/ptr |
| 22:32.50 | ag` | Hey, does OnInitialize fire before all addons have been loaded? |
| 22:33.11 | Adirelle | I need the frFR ones :p |
| 22:33.17 | vhaarr | ag`: it fires on ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:33.30 | vhaarr | ag`: and I'm 95% certain that the API docs state that |
| 22:33.36 | dodgizzla | Hm, ClassTimer does not work for my priest on Test :\ |
| 22:33.37 | Cryect | it does |
| 22:33.51 | Cryect | I was reading OnInitialize API doc yesterday :-p |
| 22:34.26 | ag` | yeah, I've read that it says ADDON_LOADED... But do they fire for each addon while they load, or after all addons are available? |
| 22:34.38 | Arrowmaster | each |
| 22:34.43 | Arrowmaster | with the addon name as an arg |
| 22:34.50 | ag` | ok |
| 22:34.54 | vhaarr | it's fired at addon_loaded for that addon. |
| 22:34.58 | ckknight | framexml diff: http://ace.pastey.net/30296 |
| 22:35.03 | vhaarr | if the API docs are not clear on that, you can modify it |
| 22:35.21 | ulic | dodgizzla: Just seeing the basic menu options? Nothing Buff/Debuff/Bars specific? That's what I see. |
| 22:35.23 | Adirelle | ~translate en fr humps |
| 22:35.36 | Adirelle | purl is useless |
| 22:35.57 | Cryect | yeah its full of too much garbage :-p |
| 22:36.04 | Amadeo | and not enough humps |
| 22:37.10 | kergoth | ~emulate fry |
| 22:37.12 | purl | People said I was dumb, but I proved them. |
| 22:37.59 | *** join/#wowace Bibi`ouF (n=bibi@AVelizy-151-1-63-148.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:39.33 | dodgizzla | ulic: Yeah I only have the button on the minimap but nothing in there just "Enabled, Profile, About, Hide" |
| 22:39.39 | dodgizzla | Also no bars show up |
| 22:39.58 | dodgizzla | But I got an error regarding SharedMedia; probably something gone wrong while fetching it from SVN |
| 22:40.43 | ckknight | well, PitBull is currently broken on SVN |
| 22:40.47 | ckknight | err, PTR |
| 22:40.52 | ckknight | I'll fix it today |
| 22:41.02 | Chompers | you get zerg rushed by errors |
| 22:41.16 | ckknight | Chompers: they changed how group headers work |
| 22:41.28 | Chompers | im not saying its bad ck |
| 22:41.41 | ckknight | just telling people now |
| 22:41.47 | ckknight | so they don't bite my head off later |
| 22:41.55 | Chompers | oh right :) |
| 22:42.23 | sylvanaar | i read on the forum today that there was going to be a change in playerlinks anyone got the 2.1 framexml? sounds like it could break every chatmod there is if not done right |
| 22:42.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you know new people will come in and bite your head off anyway |
| 22:42.41 | CIA-23 | 03bom * r35445 10Depot/Depot.toc: |
| 22:42.41 | CIA-23 | Depot: |
| 22:42.41 | CIA-23 | - correct notes in toc |
| 22:42.52 | Chompers | OMG FIX PITBOOL PLIX |
| 22:42.53 | Chompers | etc |
| 22:43.11 | ckknight | moneys? |
| 22:43.22 | Adirelle | right answer |
| 22:43.23 | ckknight | sylvanaar: I just pasteyed it |
| 22:43.24 | NightHawkTheSane | I like monkeys. |
| 22:43.34 | Thrae | That's the problem with files.wowace.com -- people put working addons on there and just leave 'em there, and WAU has no way to go back to a previously working version. |
| 22:43.39 | Adirelle | sylvanaar: they added player links for emote |
| 22:43.40 | sylvanaar | i just woke up |
| 22:43.57 | ckknight | sylvanaar: http://ace.pastey.net/30296 |
| 22:44.08 | ckknight | and yes, it definitely changes things. |
| 22:44.36 | ckknight | wait |
| 22:44.38 | Arrowmaster | fubar only loads up LoD addons that have fubar set as a reqdep right? |
| 22:44.39 | ckknight | no, not too much. |
| 22:44.46 | ckknight | yes, Arrowmaster |
| 22:45.00 | ckknight | okay, time to do more painting. |
| 22:45.15 | Thrae | Maybe the new standard for big, popular projects like PitBull should be to use /branches/unstable/ckknight/Addon. |
| 22:45.18 | Arrowmaster | you might want to adjust that then for LoadManagers: |
| 22:45.24 | Chompers | e-paint? |
| 22:45.36 | ckknight | Thrae: why? |
| 22:46.06 | Ominous | Thrae: files.wowace.com is for BETA addons so it will have bugs |
| 22:46.37 | sylvanaar | Adirelle i think prat was already making playerlinks for emotes just not bracketing them |
| 22:46.39 | vhaarr | sylvanaar: UnitIsSameServer, new? |
| 22:46.43 | ckknight | Thrae: PitBull's been fine. I don't see what the issue is. |
| 22:46.46 | sylvanaar | ywa |
| 22:46.50 | vhaarr | lol |
| 22:46.53 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 22:46.54 | Arrowmaster | UnitIsSameServer has been around since 2.0 afaik |
| 22:47.05 | sylvanaar | never seen it |
| 22:47.08 | vhaarr | okay, neither have I |
| 22:47.13 | Arrowmaster | i saw it when poking at the exe with a hex editor |
| 22:47.16 | Stephmw | pitbull's been treating me fine |
| 22:47.21 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster is right |
| 22:47.25 | vhaarr | it has been around |
| 22:47.28 | dodgizzla | I likes my PitBull |
| 22:47.30 | vhaarr | well, new to us |
| 22:47.44 | sylvanaar | time for IDA |
| 22:47.45 | Chompers | even the keylogger works great |
| 22:48.40 | Kilroo | Pitbull works fine for me except for that one error when the UI loads. |
| 22:49.08 | Kilroo | About whatever it is that's supposed to be a string, or something. |
| 22:50.10 | *** join/#wowace Bam__ (n=pervel@0x573c050d.boanqu2.broadband.tele.dk) |
| 22:50.38 | *** join/#wowace Kalman (n=delay@adsl-75-45-223-117.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:50.56 | Kilroo | I should probably try to figure out what's causing the error I get when item windows or lightheaded notes close though. |
| 22:51.00 | Industrial | http://koen.it/~tom/wow/screenshots/interface/WoWScrnShot_051407_004648.jpg |
| 22:51.08 | Bam__ | is the US getting patch tomorrow? |
| 22:51.16 | ckknight | bbl |
| 22:51.17 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:51.19 | Kalman | Unlikely. |
| 22:51.20 | ckknight | Bam__: no |
| 22:51.23 | Bam__ | ok |
| 22:51.26 | Arrowmaster | new ptr patch today |
| 22:51.35 | Arrowmaster | no way in hell there would be a live patch tomorrow |
| 22:51.47 | Bam__ | my downloader finished fetching over 300 Mb today |
| 22:51.55 | Kalman | Pre-load of art assets. |
| 22:52.03 | Arrowmaster | preloads come in waves |
| 22:52.12 | Bam__ | so just the things they know for sure will be included? |
| 22:52.20 | Arrowmaster | aka art |
| 22:52.25 | Arrowmaster | for hyjal and bt |
| 22:52.30 | Bam__ | ok |
| 22:52.59 | Arrowmaster | and the wait their system works they could change the art and overwrite it in another preload i think |
| 22:53.21 | Bam__ | heh what a waste of bandwidth if they do |
| 22:53.43 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.48 | Daemona | customer bandwith Bam__ |
| 22:53.50 | Kaydeethree | got a diff of 6655 and 6678 |
| 22:53.56 | Bam__ | yea :P |
| 22:53.59 | Kaydeethree | if I could post the damn thing |
| 22:54.25 | yacoob | This. Is. Evil. |
| 22:54.27 | Bam__ | ah well there is a hope the final patch will be easier to download I guess |
| 22:54.27 | yacoob | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esp_game |
| 22:54.42 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: ive found a problem with fubar on the ptr but its not really a fubar problem, PT3Browser has FuBar set as a LoadManager in the toc, but it doesnt seem like its possible right now to get what an addon has set as its loadmanagers ingame |
| 22:54.59 | Arrowmaster | guess somebody needs to /poke slouken about that |
| 22:55.01 | *** join/#wowace ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 22:55.02 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight_] by ChanServ |
| 22:55.22 | Arrowmaster | ckknight_: damn you and your shitty connection |
| 22:55.26 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: ive found a problem with fubar on the ptr but its not really a fubar problem, PT3Browser has FuBar set as a LoadManager in the toc, but it doesnt seem like its possible right now to get what an addon has set as its loadmanagers ingame |
| 22:55.28 | Arrowmaster | guess somebody needs to /poke slouken about that |
| 22:55.32 | vhaarr | Arrowmaster: GetAddOnMetadata? |
| 22:55.39 | sbu | Kaydeethree: then... give plz? :) |
| 22:55.43 | ckknight_ | Arrowmaster: did I not say bbl, you fuck? |
| 22:55.45 | Kaydeethree | http://ace.pastey.net/30311?lang=diff |
| 22:55.55 | Kalman | yacoob: Porn sites have been doing something similar for a while, bribing customers with free porn to enter a captcha they snagged from elsewhere in order to abuse captcha-protected services. |
| 22:56.09 | Arrowmaster | tried GetAddOnMetaData with LoadManagers as the metadata to get, didnt work |
| 22:56.19 | vhaarr | heh |
| 22:56.34 | *** join/#wowace kenlyric (n=kenlyric@adsl-76-214-134-98.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:56.47 | yacoob | Kalman, I know |
| 22:56.59 | yacoob | Kalman, if you have 51 minutes of free time, check out the google talk video, it's pretty nice. |
| 22:57.18 | Thrae | Damn buggy away script, there |
| 22:57.21 | yacoob | but the evilness of http://images.google.com/imagelabeler/ is... is... ultimate! |
| 22:57.23 | Industrial | yacoob: url? |
| 22:57.44 | yacoob | Industrial, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8246463980976635143 |
| 22:57.48 | *** join/#wowace Vegeta]BT[AFK (n=Vegeta-G@xdslet068.osnanet.de) |
| 22:57.52 | yacoob | (this guy talks fast) |
| 22:58.07 | *** join/#wowace Vegeta]BT[AFK (n=Vegeta-G@xdslet068.osnanet.de) |
| 22:58.57 | Industrial | and im not natively english speaking - eep |
| 22:59.20 | sbu | oh |
| 22:59.25 | sbu | arena weapon changes |
| 22:59.40 | sbu | ohnoes |
| 22:59.43 | sbu | why... WHY :/ |
| 22:59.50 | Arrowmaster | sbu: whats the +dmg on the spellblade now? |
| 22:59.58 | *** join/#wowace Vegeta (n=Vegeta-G@xdslet068.osnanet.de) |
| 23:00.00 | sbu | 199... |
| 23:00.26 | Arrowmaster | oh there only item level 123 right? |
| 23:00.33 | sbu | i dont understand why the change arena stuff, pve should be > pvp (esp. when it is THAT easy to get items) |
| 23:00.36 | *** join/#wowace Garns (n=blub@muedsl-82-207-195-113.citykom.de) |
| 23:00.51 | Arrowmaster | pve is > pvp |
| 23:00.56 | kebinusan | sbu, cause bliz needs to cater to casuals, show up and suck and get free loots |
| 23:01.09 | sbu | MEH... |
| 23:01.15 | Bam__ | that would be the first time... |
| 23:01.22 | sbu | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/may/arena_weapons.jpg |
| 23:01.31 | Bibi`ouF | i'd be surprised if it worked. :p |
| 23:01.42 | Bibi`ouF | server is happily dying as we speak ! |
| 23:02.02 | sbu | i dont care, but i have to kill prince to get some nice weapon (2h axe, spellblade) - and 4 weeks with 10 games / week arena (~1h) is enough to get the same stuff? |
| 23:03.00 | xlvii | is it safe to delete the wdb file in cache? |
| 23:03.07 | KarlThePagan | zomg <3 new arena weapons |
| 23:03.08 | sbu | yep |
| 23:03.17 | sbu | you can remove the wdb directory |
| 23:03.18 | Arrowmaster | GetAddOnEnableState that looks new |
| 23:03.28 | *** join/#wowace Ominous (i=HydraIRC@85-210-59-67.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 23:03.46 | sbu | (sometimes you HAVE to :o e.g. when wow tries to allocate 1.8gb on startup and fails :o) |
| 23:04.01 | xlvii | lol. |
| 23:04.03 | sbu | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/may/doomwalker_loots.jpg <3 doomwalker legs |
| 23:04.06 | Chompers | does doing 3 wins to 7 losses = same points as 30 wins 70 losses? |
| 23:04.06 | xlvii | i'm just cleaning up everything |
| 23:04.10 | Arrowmaster | LaunchAddOnURL() wtf? |
| 23:04.17 | KarlThePagan | and wtf ... priests finally have a weapon superior to mages? |
| 23:04.19 | xlvii | trying to make it run faser. |
| 23:04.20 | sbu | Chompers: depends on enemy ranking |
| 23:04.23 | xlvii | but i'm failing |
| 23:04.24 | xlvii | :P |
| 23:04.28 | KarlThePagan | there will be too much QQing the world will asplode |
| 23:04.36 | xlvii | it takes me like 2 minutes to load wow |
| 23:04.58 | sbu | hmmm defrag your hdd? |
| 23:05.08 | KarlThePagan | Chompers, depends who you play |
| 23:05.10 | kenlyric | library wholib does not exist? |
| 23:05.16 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 23:05.26 | Ominous | its not in SAL you need to download it manually |
| 23:05.27 | KarlThePagan | I've played teams, won against them, then immediately lost to them and went up 5 points total |
| 23:05.31 | kenlyric | fucked in the head. |
| 23:05.36 | xlvii | does anyone know what i should delete, etc.? it takes me just over 2 minutes to load wow, and when i actually get in it takes another minute just to load all the other characters around me.. |
| 23:05.43 | xlvii | sbu, i've done that |
| 23:05.51 | Bam__ | reinstall wow |
| 23:05.53 | kenlyric | guess now I know why spamsentry doesn't work at all. |
| 23:05.55 | winkiller | lately I have problems with wowaceupdater. sct - Has no public versions - Skipping |
| 23:05.56 | KarlThePagan | reinstall windozzze |
| 23:06.02 | kenlyric | just defrag. |
| 23:06.03 | Bam__ | that too |
| 23:06.07 | xlvii | i don't have the original discs ;p |
| 23:06.08 | KarlThePagan | ;) |
| 23:06.11 | xlvii | not here at the moment anyway |
| 23:06.24 | sbu | wow discs? download trial from blizz |
| 23:06.26 | xlvii | i'll do it next month, when i can *cough* buy *cough* them. |
| 23:06.31 | xlvii | i have wow discs. |
| 23:06.32 | KarlThePagan | heh |
| 23:06.34 | xlvii | not windows discs |
| 23:06.35 | xlvii | ;p |
| 23:06.43 | Kaydeethree | http://ace.pastey.net/30316 <- cleaner .diff of 6655-6678 |
| 23:07.15 | Ominous | whats the change that is breaking everything this patch |
| 23:07.52 | Arrowmaster | stuff is breaking? |
| 23:08.14 | xlvii | can someone explain what the uh.. '<Alt Left Click for Feedback>' is exactly? i've seen it all over ptr screenshots. |
| 23:08.18 | Ominous | sraidframes adn pitbull i thought |
| 23:08.23 | kenlyric | chat throttling... will that break some mods? |
| 23:08.30 | Kaydeethree | xivii: it's part of the blizzard_feedback ui for bug reporting |
| 23:08.32 | Arrowmaster | xlvii: something you dont need to worry about if your not on the ptr |
| 23:08.32 | *** join/#wowace Gngsk (n=gngsk@c-69-138-213-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:08.47 | Arrowmaster | yes chat throttling will |
| 23:08.50 | Ominous | kenlyric: i mean this list patch |
| 23:09.07 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 23:09.08 | Kaydeethree | most likely not. it's mainly for whispers |
| 23:09.12 | Kaydeethree | as much as I want it to, I doubt it'll break DM reports |
| 23:09.17 | xlvii | chat throttling? |
| 23:09.32 | Arrowmaster | youd be supprised how many stupid addons use whispers for comms |
| 23:10.35 | Ominous | GEM :S |
| 23:10.57 | Antiarc|Work | EnchantList and similar will likely break |
| 23:11.23 | Arrowmaster | i cant wait to find some silly mods that use CHAT_MSG_ADDON but dont check explicitly where it comes from |
| 23:12.14 | Amadeo | I just read that Blizzard is going to add VOIP to WoW |
| 23:12.28 | Kaydeethree | it's on the todo list, probably not coming any time soon |
| 23:12.34 | Arrowmaster | or ever |
| 23:12.39 | Kalman | Hopefully never. |
| 23:12.43 | Amadeo | I also just read that Team Fortress 2 will have no grenades -- so the game is already dead to me :( |
| 23:12.46 | Arrowmaster | would increase the bandwidth usage way too much |
| 23:12.56 | Arrowmaster | Amadeo: heard that too =( |
| 23:13.12 | Arrowmaster | was soo looking forward to tf2 until i heard that |
| 23:13.14 | Amadeo | That's a huge disappointment |
| 23:13.16 | Antiarc|Work | Eh. I don't think it'd be a big deal. They'd basically just route voip through its own server, similar to chat. |
| 23:13.19 | Amadeo | What's TF without grenades? |
| 23:13.21 | Kalman | I don't care about the bandwidth, I just find built-in voip mostly leads to the vocal equivalent of barrens chat. |
| 23:13.23 | CIA-23 | 03bam * r35446 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:13.23 | CIA-23 | ItemPrice-1.0: |
| 23:13.24 | CIA-23 | - Corrected SVN field in library header |
| 23:13.24 | CIA-23 | - Price updates |
| 23:13.36 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: I'm just worried about WoW turning into how CS:S is |
| 23:13.43 | Arrowmaster | Bam__: dont do that |
| 23:13.50 | Arrowmaster | 1 commit per addon |
| 23:13.53 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: I'd assume it'd be channel-controlled, similar to guild chat and the like. |
| 23:13.58 | Antiarc|Work | There's more social structure in WoW than CS. |
| 23:14.05 | Bam__ | it is |
| 23:14.08 | Daemona | kenlyric no, as its not throttling the addon channels, only /1 -/4 |
| 23:14.13 | Daemona | and whispers |
| 23:14.29 | Amadeo | Antiarc|Work: I just mean the type of stuff you'll hear and such...I mean, it totally removes immersion from an MMOG to hear 12 year olds whine about stuff :P |
| 23:14.41 | Bam__ | just one part is in branches so as not to take up space in files |
| 23:14.50 | Antiarc|Work | Amadeo: Heh, I can understand that. I use Vent for raids and PVP, so I guess it doesn't bother me so much. |
| 23:15.24 | Amadeo | They need like vocal filters, to make people sound like Dwarves and stuff :P |
| 23:15.37 | Arrowmaster | Bam__: should still do it with 2 commits |
| 23:15.57 | CIA-23 | 03seerah * r35447 10MyMedia/ (9 files in 7 dirs): |
| 23:15.57 | CIA-23 | MyMedia: initial commit |
| 23:15.57 | CIA-23 | - easy way to use custom textures, etc. without having to edit your sharedmedia files |
| 23:16.08 | Bam__ | but they are related... both are essentially the same change for the same lib |
| 23:16.36 | xlvii | shit |
| 23:16.40 | xlvii | i just heard a shotgun |
| 23:16.46 | xlvii | mm.. wtf. |
| 23:16.47 | xlvii | >_> |
| 23:16.48 | Bam__ | :O |
| 23:16.50 | xlvii | i'm scared. |
| 23:16.54 | xlvii | no guns in this house anymore. |
| 23:17.59 | vhaarr | ~seen seerah |
| 23:18.29 | purl | seerah <n=chatzill@adsl-226-113-140.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 12d 3h 58m 29s ago, saying: 'duh, found it again :P WTF\Config.wtf'. |
| 23:18.30 | xlvii | oh |
| 23:18.30 | xlvii | it's just the toss over the back shooting at birds. |
| 23:18.45 | xlvii | he'd never aim at a person, he's too pussy. |
| 23:18.46 | xlvii | well |
| 23:18.52 | xlvii | he's not pussy, he just doesn't want to go to jail |
| 23:18.57 | xlvii | he's already been there like 3 times |
| 23:18.59 | xlvii | ;p |
| 23:19.04 | *** join/#wowace Meiun| (n=xface@h24n2fls31o883.telia.com) |
| 23:19.16 | Bam__ | doesnt sound like a guy I'd feel safe being around |
| 23:19.32 | xlvii | well, he's not always at home |
| 23:19.41 | xlvii | his parents house is next door |
| 23:19.45 | xlvii | and he often goes back to greece |
| 23:20.01 | xlvii | this is like the first time i've seen him in months. |
| 23:20.27 | xlvii | he has such a riceburner for a car too |
| 23:20.49 | xlvii | a honda civic with a freakin' trolley bar, and a 7 inch exhaust. |
| 23:20.57 | xlvii | no engine mods, except for a crappy little turbo |
| 23:21.11 | xlvii | and he has a crappy stereo syste |
| 23:22.35 | vhaarr | anyone doing arenas at the moment? |
| 23:23.36 | CIA-23 | 03seerah * r35448 10MyMedia/: |
| 23:23.36 | CIA-23 | MyMedia: |
| 23:23.36 | CIA-23 | - set externals |
| 23:24.12 | *** join/#wowace Thrae (i=generalm@c-68-49-121-236.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:24.24 | Daemona | hrm curse-gaming down.... and i need a non-ace addon thats hosted there |
| 23:27.34 | Ominous | can anyone see a niceer way of doing this ? http://ace.pastey.net/30331 |
| 23:27.34 | Bibi`ouF | Daemona : works for me |
| 23:27.34 | Bibi`ouF | what do you need ? |
| 23:27.47 | vhaarr | Ominous: don't str:find first, just gsub right away |
| 23:28.46 | Ominous | wld it be better to do a local gsub = gusb and then gsub(str, ...) |
| 23:29.03 | *** join/#wowace [full_hide] (i=Nara_Shi@ppp85-141-117-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 23:29.12 | *** part/#wowace [full_hide] (i=Nara_Shi@ppp85-141-117-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 23:29.57 | vhaarr | yes, but if you don't do it often, there's no point |
| 23:30.03 | Bam__ | a matter of taste I'd say.... I prefer to grab a local copy always |
| 23:30.07 | Ominous | its very often |
| 23:30.58 | ag` | I want a way to add stuff to the defaults, after RegisterDefaults -_- |
| 23:31.06 | vhaarr | omega_: and cache it |
| 23:31.08 | vhaarr | mt |
| 23:31.11 | vhaarr | Ominous: and cache it |
| 23:31.25 | Chompers | kinda weird, !stop the spam is using up many rimes more cpu time than anything else |
| 23:31.39 | Chompers | does it really need all that processing power :/ |
| 23:31.46 | Ominous | vhaarr: what do u mean |
| 23:31.55 | vhaarr | Ominous: http://wowace.com/trac/browser/trunk/BanzaiLib/Banzai-1.1/Banzai-1.1.lua?order=name#L140 |
| 23:32.29 | vhaarr | so basically, add a table "fixedSpells" |
| 23:32.31 | vhaarr | and then |
| 23:32.43 | vhaarr | if fixedSpells[spell] then return fixedSpells[spell] end |
| 23:32.55 | vhaarr | err |
| 23:33.00 | vhaarr | just return fixedSpells[spell] |
| 23:33.06 | vhaarr | and put the string code into the metatable |
| 23:33.44 | Ominous | it would only partly work as the GetUnitName part changes but ok |
| 23:34.15 | vhaarr | ah |
| 23:34.17 | vhaarr | well okay then |
| 23:34.25 | Ominous | but for the first 3 parts i can do it |
| 23:36.51 | onuris` | whats a good bar mod? |
| 23:36.55 | onuris` | bongos or bartender? |
| 23:36.58 | Antiarc|Work | I use Bartender |
| 23:37.08 | Antiarc|Work | I've used Bongos as well, and like them both |
| 23:37.10 | vhaarr | both are good |
| 23:37.16 | vhaarr | I use BT3 since it's on the svn |
| 23:37.16 | Amadeo | I think I favor Bongos |
| 23:37.26 | vhaarr | and since I can bitch at nevcairiel more often than Tuller |
| 23:37.29 | onuris` | both use low memory? |
| 23:38.08 | vhaarr | bt3 uses 270kib here, so you be the judge |
| 23:38.23 | sbu | vhaarr: nono its Mikma :o |
| 23:38.37 | Mikma | die bitches |
| 23:38.47 | Bam__ | bar addons tend to be more heavy on the CPU I think... for natural reasons.. they got a lot to manage |
| 23:39.01 | vhaarr | yes they do |
| 23:39.30 | Bam__ | but I suppose the same can be said about Blizzard's default bars really |
| 23:39.36 | Xuerian | Bongos is a very well-coded addon, even though it doesn't use Ace2. BT3 is a well-coded one that does use Ace2. You pick what you like best :P |
| 23:39.53 | Industrial | my own |
| 23:39.54 | Industrial | o/ |
| 23:40.11 | Amadeo | omg, Industrial |
| 23:40.15 | Amadeo | what happened to your other arm? |
| 23:40.16 | Industrial | liekhai |
| 23:40.22 | hyperChipmunk | woooooHOO! |
| 23:40.28 | Industrial | a velociraptor ate it. |
| 23:40.34 | Amadeo | ! |
| 23:40.39 | hyperChipmunk | bulkmail back in business with a fresh new look |
| 23:40.51 | Ominous | vhaarr: should i do it in 3 metatables or 1 |
| 23:41.05 | vhaarr | Ominous: I don't know, it's your code :P |
| 23:41.11 | Gngsk | hyperChipmunk, you mean you're gonna commit something that doesn't say it doesn't work in all caps? |
| 23:41.12 | Josh_Borke | Ominous: 7 |
| 23:41.14 | hyperChipmunk | 8 hour block of coding, and only a few minor typos |
| 23:41.24 | hyperChipmunk | Gngsk: after i do a little more testing, yea |
| 23:41.58 | hyperChipmunk | next one will say that it "works", but with lots of disclaimer =) |
| 23:42.23 | *** join/#wowace Legorol (i=Legorol@zr205.trin.cam.ac.uk) |
| 23:43.37 | onuris` | i wish there was a new autobuff, i dont like smartbuff very much |
| 23:44.36 | shieldb | hyperChipmunk, does the new version have an 'open all' button? ;) |
| 23:45.03 | *** join/#wowace Roartindon (n=jtlim@ppp11-127.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 23:47.31 | hyperChipmunk | don't make me beat your face |
| 23:49.09 | shieldb | I think bulkmail not having "open all" currently is all that's keeping me from dumping postal |
| 23:53.15 | *** join/#wowace ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 23:53.16 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 23:54.02 | CIA-23 | 03fenlis * r35449 10Skinner/Localisations.lua: |
| 23:54.02 | CIA-23 | Skinner: |
| 23:54.02 | CIA-23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.04 | NightHawkTheSane | god FUCKING dammit |
| 23:54.06 | ckknight | hey all. |
| 23:54.08 | ckknight | back |
| 23:54.17 | Gngsk | welcome back |
| 23:54.26 | ckknight | I'm painting boards outside |
| 23:54.33 | ckknight | gotta let it dry for an hour |
| 23:54.44 | Gngsk | what for? |
| 23:54.46 | Amadeo | ckknight = Karate Kid |
| 23:54.51 | Amadeo | for Mr. Miyagi |
| 23:55.07 | ckknight | Gngsk: my dad does Home Repairs |
| 23:55.09 | ckknight | it's the summer |
| 23:55.12 | ckknight | so I help out |
| 23:55.29 | Amadeo | as a business, or your home? |
| 23:55.41 | Gngsk | ahh |
| 23:55.55 | ckknight | Amadeo: business |
| 23:56.12 | ckknight | so I've been listening to Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged while painting |
| 23:56.38 | Amadeo | You gotta get him to use Cartographer |
| 23:56.48 | Amadeo | or her |
| 23:57.05 | ckknight | ... |
| 23:57.09 | Megalon | cgcrafty to automate things |
| 23:57.09 | Megalon | ! |
| 23:57.21 | Kaydeethree | I, uh... |
| 23:57.23 | Xuerian | Use her? Good idea |
