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| 05:25.13 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://files.wowace.com/ | http://ace.pastey.net | http://www.lua.org | http://wowace.com/wiki/Optimization | WAU2 beta started http://www.wowace.com/wau2/ | On my screen the topic says "WowAce.com is currently on a trampoline." ... Kaelten is working on it, and I wish him the best of luck - kirkburn |
| 05:26.02 | Arrowmaster | got any xmls of raids with a waitlist getting dkp too? |
| 05:26.49 | Codayus | Hmm, yes. |
| 05:26.50 | Codayus | Lots |
| 05:28.33 | Codayus | Waitlist = manually added people who count as if they were in the raid? |
| 05:28.39 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:29.01 | Wobin | ... |
| 05:29.06 | Wobin | http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7148/thetechnopriestsbooktwoun8.jpg |
| 05:29.09 | Wobin | Totally NSFW |
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| 05:30.37 | Thrae | Wobin: Bah, Thrall/Jaina is a hell of a lot more interesting! |
| 05:30.46 | Nosrac | wth |
| 05:30.51 | Wobin | Only cause you know the characters =P |
| 05:31.06 | Wobin | It makes Ghita look tame =P |
| 05:31.21 | Thrae | Wobin: Well, there's also a lot more at stake, and a lot more in the underbelly. |
| 05:31.23 | ckknight | lol, Wobin |
| 05:32.09 | Wobin | Although, what a great pickup line: "We the grey men, have retractible testicles!" |
| 05:32.45 | Codayus | Pastey is slow...hm |
| 05:34.36 | Codayus | http://pastey.net/70466 |
| 05:34.57 | CIA-22 | 03gamefaq * r43171 10Omen/localization_deDE.lua: Omen: deDE Update |
| 05:35.04 | Codayus | That's what CTRT generates, and it parses fine. Um...it's *really* ugly. |
| 05:37.02 | Arrowmaster | i get 11 attendees when parsing that as a single event |
| 05:38.07 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 05:38.16 | Arrowmaster | i see the PlayerInfos part of the xml only has 10 |
| 05:38.21 | Arrowmaster | did one person never join? |
| 05:38.43 | Codayus | Never in the raid as such. |
| 05:39.18 | Codayus | But it still parses as 11...I'm not 100% sure why. |
| 05:39.53 | Arrowmaster | now to try and see why that parses 11 of 11 but mine parses 25 of 26 |
| 05:40.43 | Codayus | Yeah...the issue is the format is *ugly*. Seems to be a lot of ignored info. |
| 05:41.01 | Arrowmaster | who was the 11th that got dkp but never joined? |
| 05:41.10 | Codayus | Alliee in that one |
| 05:43.48 | Arrowmaster | ok yeah the ctraidtracker xml majorly sucks |
| 05:43.58 | Codayus | Yes |
| 05:44.02 | Arrowmaster | only place Alliee shows up in that is under a join |
| 05:44.11 | Arrowmaster | join 16 |
| 05:44.12 | Codayus | A lot. |
| 05:44.28 | Arrowmaster | but it doesnt have any player info |
| 05:44.36 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174759727&sid=1 <-- my suggestion post for the week. |
| 05:44.40 | Arrowmaster | so im guessing Alliee never really joined |
| 05:44.44 | Codayus | Right |
| 05:45.10 | Arrowmaster | ok fuck this ill just go back to manually doing it |
| 05:45.13 | Codayus | The CTRT handles waitlisting by the "/rt join <name>" command. It then just assumes that person is in the raid from then on. |
| 05:45.18 | Arrowmaster | easyer than this bullshit |
| 05:46.00 | Codayus | And the eqdkp import plugin somehow parses it correctly. Damned if I know why. :-/ |
| 05:46.29 | Arrowmaster | because it thinks the persons in the raid.... |
| 05:47.32 | Codayus | I think a useful project would be to work out a useful XML schema for describing raids, and write an EQDKP plugin to parse it. The CTRT fomat is undocumented and sucks. :-) |
| 05:49.18 | Arrowmaster | heres a dkpmon xml http://pastey.net/70469 |
| 05:49.33 | Arrowmaster | only 10 people though |
| 05:52.25 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r43172 10DrDamage/Data/Druid.lua: |
| 05:52.25 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 05:52.25 | CIA-22 | - Rips can't crit. Added AP coefficient for Maim. |
| 06:04.46 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r43173 10DrDamage/Data/Mage.lua: |
| 06:04.46 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 06:04.46 | CIA-22 | - Somehow the fire power mage talent had dropped out of the talent table. Fixed! |
| 06:06.01 | ckknight | so what's everyone think about Ace3 being renamed Zoo? then we can all start afresh in the most animal-themed way possible |
| 06:06.14 | theoddone33 | then it will show up better on profiles right? |
| 06:06.14 | ckknight | we all knew this day would come, even back when Rowne was around, him being a furry and all |
| 06:06.23 | ckknight | theoddone33: actually it would. |
| 06:06.29 | ckknight | theoddone33: but BigWigs'd get fucked |
| 06:06.42 | theoddone33 | haha PVEers get owned |
| 06:08.24 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 06:08.40 | Nosrac | ckknight well, you're certainly leading the way with you're newest 3 addons ;-P |
| 06:08.42 | ckknight | lol |
| 06:08.54 | ckknight | it was easy, is all |
| 06:09.42 | rophy | is there any documentation for nSideBar? |
| 06:09.53 | Nosrac | I haven't seen any |
| 06:09.57 | Nosrac | anyone know what it does ><? |
| 06:10.05 | Nosrac | based on the name it sounds cool xD |
| 06:10.26 | rophy | it's supposed to be a base bar for placing icons instead of the minimap. |
| 06:10.37 | Nosrac | Ahhhh |
| 06:10.58 | Nosrac | That'd be cool, except... I /visor hide them all xD |
| 06:12.21 | Nosrac | Ckknight, Add Zebra to your next addon making list (It'll be like Visor, except pretty) I need a new version =D |
| 06:12.33 | ckknight | I was actually thinking about that |
| 06:12.37 | Nosrac | seriously? |
| 06:12.41 | Nosrac | =D |
| 06:12.45 | ckknight | well, more of a DiscordArt/eePanels ripoff |
| 06:12.51 | ckknight | with Visor capabilities |
| 06:12.57 | Nosrac | That would be awesome =D |
| 06:13.01 | ckknight | but srsly, I need to get Parrot done first |
| 06:13.02 | Nosrac | lol |
| 06:13.07 | Nosrac | Yeah, do that first |
| 06:13.13 | Nosrac | Visor works for now ;-P |
| 06:13.34 | ScoTTie | hmm |
| 06:13.36 | ckknight | I also want to fix PitBull's auras |
| 06:13.39 | ckknight | once and for all |
| 06:13.45 | Nosrac | ;-D |
| 06:13.50 | ScoTTie | did you play on frostmourne nosrac? |
| 06:13.55 | ckknight | but it's hard :-( |
| 06:14.19 | Nosrac | Nope, I would certainly make a char and play it if you'd like |
| 06:14.22 | ckknight | sometimes I wonder if it's all worth it |
| 06:14.36 | ScoTTie | someone with the name nosrac used to play on their |
| 06:14.39 | Nosrac | It is! |
| 06:14.39 | Nosrac | =D |
| 06:14.45 | Nosrac | ah |
| 06:14.54 | ScoTTie | with the first/last name carson |
| 06:14.55 | Nosrac | Obviously my clown |
| 06:14.57 | Nosrac | shh, don't tell |
| 06:15.02 | Nosrac | <- Last here |
| 06:15.06 | Nosrac | ergh |
| 06:15.09 | Nosrac | Clone* |
| 06:15.10 | Nosrac | not clown |
| 06:15.15 | Nosrac | Typos are awesome =D |
| 06:15.20 | CIA-22 | 03arkayenro * r43174 10ArkInventory/ (. ArkInventory.lua ArkInventory.toc ReadMe.txt): |
| 06:15.20 | CIA-22 | ArkInventory: |
| 06:15.21 | CIA-22 | - v2.04 |
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| 06:18.56 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r43175 10Parrot/ (CombatEvents.lua Display.lua): |
| 06:18.56 | CIA-22 | Parrot - store colors as 6-byte hexstrings instead of tables. |
| 06:18.56 | CIA-22 | - add options to combat events. |
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| 06:22.02 | ckknight | hey old chap |
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| 06:23.17 | Parnic | hey iceroth are you around? |
| 06:24.46 | Gagorian | How long after PLAYER_LOGIN can I anticipate PLAYER_ALIVE? |
| 06:25.16 | ckknight | well, it might not happen |
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| 06:27.10 | Gagorian | Indeed, but after that point talent data would be available (so I'm not relying on the event). |
| 06:27.23 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r43176 10Parrot/CombatEvents.lua: Parrot_CombatEvents - allow changing of sticky setting for notification category |
| 06:27.38 | abyssichate | Is anyone by any chance using a Zyxel 660HW-D1? |
| 06:27.48 | ckknight | Gagorian: I'd just shoot for AceEvent_FullyInitialized, honestly |
| 06:28.11 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43177 10LittleWigs/LittleWigs.toc: LittleWigs: AddonLoader support (zone-based). |
| 06:28.56 | theoddone33 | parrot is new? |
| 06:28.58 | Gagorian | ckknight: Yer, I'm not in a big hurry at login to get the info |
| 06:29.02 | ckknight | theoddone33: yep |
| 06:29.07 | theoddone33 | cool |
| 06:29.19 | ckknight | theoddone33: feel free to test it out |
| 06:29.22 | theoddone33 | will be nice to have an ace thing for that |
| 06:29.26 | theoddone33 | even though sct is ace I guess |
| 06:29.38 | theoddone33 | I've been using the other one though |
| 06:29.42 | theoddone33 | I can give it a shot |
| 06:29.47 | Nosrac | theoddone33 It's a 'SCT'/''BSBT' typa mod |
| 06:29.52 | ckknight | SCT may be ace, but it does not carry the spirit of Ace. |
| 06:29.56 | Nosrac | Oh, you know what it is xD |
| 06:30.09 | theoddone33 | I looked it up, heh |
| 06:30.15 | Nosrac | ahhh, you cheat! |
| 06:30.28 | theoddone33 | yeah :( |
| 06:30.55 | Nosrac | lol |
| 06:31.02 | Thrae | I'm peeved about VoIP being taxed for the USF program. Its the most stupidest interpretation of the law ever. VoIP doesn't have the availability of regular analog lines...OK, maybe that was a bit of hyperbole. |
| 06:31.23 | Nosrac | o.O |
| 06:31.45 | ckknight | theoddone33: basically, it eats your crackers. On a side note, it also acts as a combat text mod. |
| 06:31.54 | theoddone33 | but I want to eat my own crackers |
| 06:32.03 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 06:32.12 | theoddone33 | I guess as long as it stays away from my pizza I can get along with it |
| 06:32.19 | Nosrac | theoddone33 that's unfortunate. |
| 06:32.36 | ckknight | I think the warthog eats pizza, though... |
| 06:32.43 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 06:32.48 | Thrae | PitBulls eat pizza. |
| 06:32.49 | Nosrac | You wait till Warthog - the addon comes out |
| 06:32.58 | Thrae | Cows will drink the soda you're saving. |
| 06:33.07 | theoddone33 | hm |
| 06:33.11 | Nosrac | No, PitBull bites your face off |
| 06:33.20 | Nosrac | What are you thinking, Thrae! |
| 06:33.23 | ckknight | and Cows just graze your lawn. |
| 06:33.25 | Thrae | PitBulls think your face is pizza. |
| 06:33.40 | Thrae | Well, they think MY face is Pizza...damn acne problem! |
| 06:33.47 | Nosrac | You insult ckknight's intelligent addon! |
| 06:34.03 | theoddone33 | I'm so confused |
| 06:34.04 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43178 10LittleWigs/ (5 files in 5 dirs): |
| 06:34.04 | CIA-22 | LittleWigs: |
| 06:34.04 | CIA-22 | - added AddonLoaded support to modules (zone based). |
| 06:34.04 | CIA-22 | - fixed module X-Category. |
| 06:34.06 | Thrae | My old dermotologist -- "Oh, that'll go away when you hit 25 or so." LIAR! |
| 06:34.08 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 06:34.09 | theoddone33 | I have too many addons installed |
| 06:34.22 | Nosrac | You can never have too many addons installed |
| 06:34.28 | Nosrac | It's just what 'they' want you to think |
| 06:34.33 | Iceroth | Parnic, yeah |
| 06:34.45 | theoddone33 | when you install an addon and suddenly 5 things change, you have too many addons installed |
| 06:34.53 | Nosrac | ridiculou! |
| 06:35.12 | Parnic | iceroth: i dropped you some pm's :) |
| 06:35.16 | theoddone33 | see I had deleted prat a while back because I thought I didn't need it |
| 06:35.20 | Iceroth | no you didn't |
| 06:35.28 | theoddone33 | so now I reinstall it and like 10 of my mods start working again |
| 06:35.35 | Nosrac | lo |
| 06:35.47 | Parnic | hmm... |
| 06:36.29 | theoddone33 | and my chat frame is all different and I don't know which of the 10 mods did that, heh |
| 06:36.30 | theoddone33 | probably prat |
| 06:36.37 | Nosrac | lol |
| 06:36.43 | Nosrac | explain different ;-)? |
| 06:37.04 | Parnic | iceroth: you sure? i just sent you another...maybe my bnc is screwing up |
| 06:37.19 | theoddone33 | it resized my general chat box, which is annoying, and I have extra stuff all over "[S] <65:Mchottie>: test" instead of just whatever was there before |
| 06:37.23 | Iceroth | not getting them.. are you registered to freenode? |
| 06:37.31 | theoddone33 | it's nice, I just don't know where to go to configure it, heh |
| 06:37.32 | Parnic | maybe not registered |
| 06:37.36 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43179 10AddonLoader/Conditions.lua: AddonLoader: small bugfix for "always" override. |
| 06:38.09 | Thorgard | The Prince Malchezaar fight is stupid. Whoever designed that encounter needs to be shot. |
| 06:38.16 | kebinusan | Agreed |
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| 06:38.28 | kebinusan | There is too much chance |
| 06:38.35 | Thorgard | Seriously. |
| 06:38.52 | kebinusan | course I feel the same about magtheridon, one person misclicking a cube = wipe basically |
| 06:39.11 | Nosrac | theoddone33 Yeah prat can change the chat *input* box ;-P |
| 06:39.19 | abyssichate | how can you fail at clicking one cube, on the other hand? |
| 06:39.30 | kebinusan | abyssichate, yeah I ask myself that |
| 06:39.31 | Thorgard | kebinusan, yeah, but that's fixable. ;P |
| 06:39.39 | syeren | There is no chance in the Prince Fight. |
| 06:39.39 | kebinusan | Lag, DC's, Idiots |
| 06:39.42 | Thorgard | The Prince is just fuckin' stupid. :( |
| 06:39.48 | syeren | Just stand in the north spots and don;t give a shit about anyine., |
| 06:39.50 | syeren | *anything |
| 06:40.02 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43180 10Omen/Omen.toc: Omen: AddonLoader suppport (instance/not resting). |
| 06:40.44 | Thorgard | 1% and we get boxed in by infernals and served. ;P |
| 06:41.02 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43181 10oRA2/oRA2.toc: oRA2: AddonLoader support (raid/slash command). |
| 06:41.07 | syeren | Told you, just stand in the north posistions. |
| 06:41.15 | syeren | And you can't have anything done to you, and you don't get hit ;p |
| 06:41.32 | Thorgard | Wha? |
| 06:41.32 | kebinusan | you can get hit anywhere in that room |
| 06:41.44 | syeren | No, you cannot. |
| 06:41.58 | syeren | If you go right to the north, you stand next to a certain part next to the wall. |
| 06:42.07 | syeren | While your tank stands the usual 30 yards away. |
| 06:42.14 | syeren | And your whole caster party doesn't have to move once. |
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| 06:42.57 | syeren | If you can give me a screenshot of the map, I'll put the posistions on the map for you ;p |
| 06:43.59 | syeren | Cartographer doesn't have the Prince platform on it :/ |
| 06:51.39 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43182 10ThreatToKTM/ (ThreatToKTM.lua ThreatToKTM.toc): ThreatToKTM: postponed Threat-1.0 loading. |
| 06:55.55 | Codayus | Mmm, I'd heard of the spot, but wasn't sure if it was a joke or not... |
| 06:57.34 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r43183 10Parrot/ (Display.lua Parrot.lua): Parrot - add font options |
| 06:58.23 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r43184 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: |
| 06:58.23 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 06:58.23 | CIA-22 | - Use "AceEvent_FullyInitialized" to load talent data |
| 06:58.48 | Sole | hhmm |
| 06:59.05 | Sole | how do these people afk in AV without using a 3rd party app and being picked up by warden |
| 06:59.43 | Nosrac | Not sure |
| 06:59.56 | theoddone33 | i have a link that explains, if you're really interested |
| 06:59.57 | Nosrac | Might have a way of supressing Warden |
| 07:00.05 | theoddone33 | or I can find it |
| 07:00.11 | Sole | theoddone33: yeah I am quite curious actually |
| 07:00.15 | Nosrac | or maybe there are some crazy people who do it manually |
| 07:00.24 | theoddone33 | gimme a bit to dig it up |
| 07:00.28 | Parnic | "manually afk" ? lol |
| 07:00.29 | Sole | I did 14k manually yesterday :P |
| 07:00.33 | theoddone33 | it's some sig on a forum I read... I just don't remember whose, heh |
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| 07:00.36 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 07:00.50 | Sole | but then I look at this guy next to me..3 kills today..18.6k honor |
| 07:01.03 | Sole | thats an item right there o_O |
| 07:01.04 | Gagorian | Sole: Cats. Im on ur keyburd, clikin ur keys |
| 07:01.06 | theoddone33 | yeah av weekend is insane |
| 07:01.13 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 07:01.15 | theoddone33 | makes me think I should be doing AV now and leveling later |
| 07:01.17 | Sole | lol |
| 07:01.20 | sylvanaar | anyone;'s server just tank? |
| 07:01.30 | Nosrac | Leveling is for Schmucks |
| 07:01.51 | theoddone33 | yeah :( |
| 07:01.58 | theoddone33 | but I have to do it to play in arenas |
| 07:02.41 | Nosrac | rofl has anyone seen someone afking in arenas? |
| 07:03.05 | theoddone33 | Sole: http://edgeofnowhere.cc/viewtopic.php?t=325401&sid=1247e9d3a1d03d7e93129f5e61505bdf |
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| 07:05.20 | Sole | just as I predicted |
| 07:05.22 | Sole | a mouse click program |
| 07:06.07 | Nosrac | Yep |
| 07:06.59 | theoddone33 | blizzard could combat that particular method by making you face a random direction when you zone out of bgs |
| 07:07.24 | Nosrac | Yep, I've suggested that before ;-) |
| 07:07.26 | Sole | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1765328 |
| 07:07.27 | Nosrac | on the forums |
| 07:07.40 | Nosrac | and also have you spawn in a randomish location |
| 07:07.41 | theoddone33 | I think it's indicative that the entire system is broken when doing nothing can get you epics if you do nothing long enough |
| 07:07.55 | Nosrac | Yep |
| 07:08.04 | Codayus | Reminds me of MC... *cough* |
| 07:08.10 | theoddone33 | haw |
| 07:08.17 | Sole | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1711275 LOL |
| 07:08.32 | theoddone33 | mc was really boring for my class |
| 07:08.39 | theoddone33 | but the gear was ok |
| 07:08.47 | Codayus | Which class wasn't it boring for? :-) What was your class, anyhow? |
| 07:08.52 | theoddone33 | rogue |
| 07:08.55 | Codayus | Ah. |
| 07:08.57 | Nosrac | Sole rofl! |
| 07:09.03 | Sole | Nosrac: :D |
| 07:09.07 | theoddone33 | "where do I stand, what do I kill?" |
| 07:09.11 | Sole | yeah MC was very boring for a rogue |
| 07:09.17 | Sole | stab a big fat dog in the ass |
| 07:09.18 | Sole | loot epics |
| 07:09.19 | Codayus | We used to joke that all our rogues spent the entire raid afk on /follow. |
| 07:09.26 | Sole | I did that somethign |
| 07:09.29 | Sole | sometimes* |
| 07:09.35 | theoddone33 | there were some advanced tactics required at times |
| 07:09.37 | abyssichate | I wonder if that automouse clicker is considered as botting |
| 07:09.42 | theoddone33 | like "run away when you get too many DOTs on you |
| 07:09.56 | Sole | abyssichate: it might be |
| 07:10.20 | theoddone33 | I kind of liked that instance though, just because some of the fights in the middle you didn't take any damage on unless you screwed up |
| 07:10.35 | Codayus | And I've got a screenshot somewhere of the healer channel once where in rapid sequence there was: "afk/follow - getting a drink" "ooops, kid crying, on follow" "um guys I think <random priest> has been gone for a while...is anyone till healing?" |
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| 07:10.46 | Codayus | Long pause. "Um, well, I'm doing my homework..." |
| 07:11.11 | Nosrac | wb, Ck |
| 07:11.52 | Codayus | But it was just during trash, and not a boss... :-/ |
| 07:12.12 | theoddone33 | horde side is so dead on my server... can't get a group for anything pre-70 |
| 07:12.14 | Arrowmaster | drunken new years MC raids where you cant even kill golomagg will probably be one of the things ill never forget |
| 07:12.27 | Nosrac | Sole... that movie is hilaroius xD |
| 07:12.36 | theoddone33 | ugh, 2 wipes on sulferon was a regular MC raid for my guild |
| 07:12.40 | Sole | Nosrac: dumb russian girls ftw |
| 07:12.41 | theoddone33 | bad memories, heh |
| 07:12.47 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 07:13.01 | Arrowmaster | the MC drinking game |
| 07:13.11 | Sole | haha the MC drinking game was great |
| 07:13.19 | Codayus | Oh! Once one of our druids showed up for a MC raid...he was kinda quiet, but he's usually quiet. So we clear up to geddon, and he blows the raid up. We finish geddon, rez up, pull some trash...boe epic drops, he ninjas it, and logs. |
| 07:13.32 | Codayus | We looked at combat logs...he hadn't actually healed the entire raid. |
| 07:13.38 | Sole | hahaha |
| 07:13.46 | Codayus | Turned out later it was someone completely different who had found the guys account password. |
| 07:14.05 | Codayus | And logged in...got an invite...and just /followed us up to geddon wondering what the hell this game was about. >< |
| 07:14.09 | Arrowmaster | take 2 drinks when the MT dies, take a drink when a warlock pulls aggro, take a drink when a rogue dies from AoE |
| 07:14.34 | Codayus | And we didn't even notice, and might not have EVER if he hadn't ninjaed. |
| 07:14.35 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 07:14.52 | theoddone33 | that's funny |
| 07:15.09 | theoddone33 | maybe you would have noticed when he died every pull on lava packs heh |
| 07:15.31 | Arrowmaster | i stoped banishing lava packs one day |
| 07:15.41 | Codayus | Anyone notice? :-) |
| 07:15.44 | Arrowmaster | so we started blendering them down with dps warriors |
| 07:16.48 | Arrowmaster | oh i think i stoped because the rogues were being assholes |
| 07:16.57 | Sole | wow |
| 07:17.00 | Sole | blackrock has a queue |
| 07:17.48 | Arrowmaster | little fuckers were all garroting bosses on the pull, using rupture, and synced vanish garroting |
| 07:17.51 | Arrowmaster | all pre garrote buff |
| 07:18.00 | Sole | hahahaa |
| 07:18.28 | Sole | MC was fun - we'd just pull a couple packs at once and AOE them down |
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| 07:18.41 | Sole | that was after we'd cleared it of course :P |
| 07:19.09 | theoddone33 | I need to find some 70s that want to do bwl |
| 07:19.12 | theoddone33 | just so I can see it |
| 07:19.19 | theoddone33 | same with aq40/naxx |
| 07:19.26 | Sole | I liked BWL |
| 07:19.29 | Sole | didnt like AQ40 that much |
| 07:19.32 | Sole | naxx was cool |
| 07:19.37 | Sole | a bit too long though |
| 07:19.45 | Sole | actually way too long |
| 07:19.48 | theoddone33 | plus I need a libram off fankris, heh |
| 07:19.55 | Keias | AQ sucked cause it looks like a bug's asshole |
| 07:20.01 | Sole | yea |
| 07:20.07 | Sole | and amg the place was huge |
| 07:20.10 | Sole | even with the mount |
| 07:20.32 | Arrowmaster | i still dont have an aq40 mount =( |
| 07:20.45 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 07:20.57 | Arrowmaster | everytime i got invited to other guilds aq40 raids they were past the mobs that droped them |
| 07:21.04 | theoddone33 | I went in there one time, just to clear up to skerim |
| 07:21.08 | theoddone33 | and like 5 mounts dropped |
| 07:21.10 | Arrowmaster | the huhu corpse run fucking sucks |
| 07:21.37 | Arrowmaster | we were 3 maning the trash at 60 |
| 07:21.50 | Arrowmaster | i ninja pulled all the destroyers |
| 07:21.59 | Arrowmaster | all 3 i think |
| 07:22.16 | Arrowmaster | still dont have a mount though |
| 07:23.19 | theoddone33 | I wish you could make your own class |
| 07:23.30 | theoddone33 | just pick spells from each |
| 07:23.38 | theoddone33 | I'd get aspect of the cheetah on everything |
| 07:24.27 | Arrowmaster | who wouldnt, purely for the 20-40 grind |
| 07:24.38 | theoddone33 | shamans? |
| 07:25.08 | theoddone33 | best thing about cheetah is you can use it indoors |
| 07:25.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 07:25.10 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43185 10SimpleSelfRebuff/ (FuBarPlugin/FuBarPlugin.lua SimpleSelfRebuff.lua): |
| 07:25.10 | CIA-22 | SimpleSelfRebuff: |
| 07:25.10 | CIA-22 | - lately library loading, |
| 07:25.10 | CIA-22 | - fixed rebuff threshold again (and relating reminder). |
| 07:25.18 | theoddone33 | I'd get teleport too, no question |
| 07:25.22 | Arrowmaster | hunter raid utility, faster wipe recovery |
| 07:25.34 | theoddone33 | maybe both teleport and astral recall |
| 07:25.47 | theoddone33 | my custom class would be really really mobile but that's about it, heh |
| 07:25.53 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 07:27.55 | Codayus | I'd make sure to pick some sort of party buff. |
| 07:28.14 | theoddone33 | my party buff would be crusader aura, hehehe |
| 07:28.16 | Codayus | Blessings, totems, bloodlust, anything. |
| 07:28.24 | Arrowmaster | windfury totem |
| 07:28.28 | Arrowmaster | just the 1 |
| 07:28.44 | Codayus | <--- Priest. And annoyed with the lack of reason to bring more than 1 holy priest. |
| 07:28.57 | theoddone33 | if I was gonna design that |
| 07:29.03 | theoddone33 | I'd make a point system for each class |
| 07:29.06 | theoddone33 | and you get a total amount of points |
| 07:29.09 | Codayus | Holy priest 1 gives you spirit. Holy priest 2 gives you...uh...faster spirit rebuffing after a wipe. |
| 07:29.21 | theoddone33 | then just for fun I'd make it impossible to construct paladins or warlocks with the custom class thing |
| 07:29.29 | Adirelle | anyone have trouble with ratingbuster ? can't gettting working here (frFr client) |
| 07:29.34 | theoddone33 | and then I'd laugh at everyone pointing it out on forums |
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| 07:30.41 | CIA-22 | 03ammo * r43186 10oRA2/oRA2.toc: oRA2: remove crap |
| 07:30.59 | theoddone33 | ratingbuster works fine for me but I'm using an english client |
| 07:31.03 | theoddone33 | I believe I have the latest revision too |
| 07:31.32 | Adirelle | latest rev too |
| 07:31.43 | Adirelle | erm... seems I'll have to check out oRA2 again |
| 07:32.26 | theoddone33 | 40% less crap |
| 07:33.38 | sylvanaar | more than one resto druid? why do you do that? |
| 07:34.26 | Adirelle | [Ammo]: I don't get why you removed that AddonLoader stuff, for most people it doesn't make any difference, and for thoses who use AddonLoader it just postpone loading until you're in raid |
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| 07:34.45 | Codayus | sylvanaar: Same boat as priests really, no? |
| 07:34.51 | Codayus | Holy priests, obviousy. |
| 07:34.56 | sylvanaar | yes i rerolled shadow priest |
| 07:35.13 | [Ammo] | Adirelle: I removed it because I did not ask for it to be added to my .toc, I removed it because it's my addon and it already has LoD stuff. |
| 07:35.15 | Codayus | I *just* respecced shadow this week after...um...years as holy. |
| 07:35.17 | [Ammo] | and it's not coming back |
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| 07:35.48 | sylvanaar | if i can find a guild, i may try to keep playing |
| 07:35.50 | Arrowmaster | stuff with fubar plugins shouldnt be lod'd by default |
| 07:36.01 | Nosrac | welcome back, ck xD |
| 07:36.05 | Arrowmaster | by something other than fubar |
| 07:36.11 | Adirelle | [Ammo] keeping it locally then... was nice to not having it loaded if not in raid tho |
| 07:36.22 | Adirelle | I meant, not even the core |
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| 07:40.17 | cryogen | Adirelle: ssr is neat! :p |
| 07:40.46 | Adirelle | cryogen: oh thx. working fine ? with which classes ? |
| 07:41.10 | cryogen | sort of |
| 07:41.23 | cryogen | works ok on my priest, one slight bug |
| 07:41.45 | cryogen | it keeps trying to re-apply the missing buff |
| 07:42.16 | Adirelle | does it still list it as missing ? |
| 07:42.26 | cryogen | no |
| 07:42.38 | cryogen | admitedly i have no tried since i updated this morning |
| 07:42.54 | Adirelle | I commit a change last minute ago |
| 07:43.01 | Adirelle | s/mit/mitted/ |
| 07:43.10 | cryogen | on my warrior it cant seem to do battle shout |
| 07:43.17 | theoddone33 | oh you're kidding |
| 07:43.17 | cryogen | it knows its missing but doesnt recast it |
| 07:43.22 | theoddone33 | that's an awesome bot functionality |
| 07:43.33 | theoddone33 | s/bot/human/ |
| 07:44.09 | seba | where can i find api documentation ? i'm looking for the function to display in guild chat |
| 07:44.31 | Thelyna | #api SendChatMessage |
| 07:44.32 | ThraeBot | Thelyna: SendChatMessage("msg" [, "chatType" [, "language" ] [, "channel" ]]);( http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendChatMessage ) |
| 07:45.02 | Adirelle | cryogen: even with enough rage ? did you enabled debugging ? |
| 07:45.06 | seba | thanks ! |
| 07:45.31 | Nosrac | did wowace.com just go down ><? |
| 07:45.36 | Nosrac | nvm it's back already ;-D |
| 07:46.00 | cryogen | Adirelle: i will try :) |
| 07:46.05 | Thelyna | seba: what you want is SendChatMessage("insert stuff here", "GUILD"); |
| 07:46.58 | Thelyna | unless you want to peeve people off by talking in Darnassian, Outerspacian (whatever Draenai language is) or the other race-specific languages |
| 07:47.45 | Arrowmaster | you cant do that anymore if your refering to speaking languages you dont know |
| 07:47.55 | Thelyna | not that |
| 07:48.01 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 07:48.11 | Thelyna | just annoying other people in your guild by speaking a race-specific language |
| 07:48.26 | cryogen | Adirelle: ah of course, it cant work in combat can it.. :) |
| 07:48.37 | Thelyna | our dwarves (all three of them) like to speak in dwarven in /g |
| 07:48.40 | Adirelle | cryogen: ofc |
| 07:48.54 | Thelyna | until we made a special "Quiet Time" rank ... they got the hint |
| 07:48.57 | Nosrac | Thelyna I bet that's annoying >< |
| 07:49.15 | Adirelle | cryogen: about reapplying.. I lately changed the way GCD is handled so the binding aren't changed until the GCD ends |
| 07:49.25 | Arrowmaster | Thelyna: thats when you have the gmaster make a new rank called "Dwarf" and dont give it premission to talk in guild chat |
| 07:49.32 | cryogen | that could be it |
| 07:49.50 | Nosrac | rofl |
| 07:49.59 | Thelyna | rename quiet time to dwarf and you have what we did :p |
| 07:50.11 | Adirelle | cryogen: I needed it to prevent the reminder to spam in-combat, because binding and reminder are trigger by the same event |
| 07:50.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah we have Muted |
| 07:50.32 | Arrowmaster | old guild had hazing ranks |
| 07:50.37 | Adirelle | cryogen: if I unbind at start of GCD and rebind at end, reminder will spam at each rebind |
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| 07:50.52 | Arrowmaster | 'ret noob' and 'peon for life' |
| 07:51.24 | Adirelle | cryogen: so now, it is possible that the mousewheel is still bound at exact GCD end, leading to recasting |
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| 07:54.40 | Wobin | hm |
| 07:54.52 | Wobin | is flametongue weapon affected by +firedamage equpment? |
| 07:55.46 | Nosrac | I don't think so, I'll see if I can find out quick |
| 07:55.51 | Wobin | woot |
| 07:56.54 | Nosrac | According to a (posotive rated) WoWHead Comment |
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| 07:56.59 | Nosrac | Yes it does get +spell dmg |
| 07:57.02 | Wobin | hurrah |
| 07:57.04 | Wobin | thank you |
| 07:57.08 | theoddone33 | cool I just got the mystic dawnstone pattern |
| 07:57.08 | Nosrac | Yep |
| 07:57.15 | theoddone33 | I'm not sure anyone had it horde side yet |
| 07:57.19 | Nosrac | fyi "he bonus damage from Flametongue is calculated before Attack speed modifiers. For example, proccing flurry will not decrease it." |
| 07:57.33 | Nosrac | was on another comment. Not sure if that affects anything |
| 07:58.33 | CIA-22 | 03ammo * r43187 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: shuffle ma shizzle |
| 07:58.56 | Wobin | hm, I'm so tempted to twink out my 25 shammy |
| 07:59.00 | Nosrac | lol |
| 07:59.12 | Nosrac | lol |
| 07:59.17 | Nosrac | whoops >< wrong place |
| 07:59.19 | Wobin | I mean, what's wrong with dropping 30g or so on a nice shield =P |
| 07:59.32 | Wobin | that will last a number of levels |
| 07:59.33 | Jagobah | oooo |
| 07:59.38 | Jagobah | is witchhunt fixed? |
| 08:00.16 | Nosrac | lol |
| 08:00.32 | [Ammo] | what do you mean fixed? |
| 08:00.35 | [Ammo] | it was never broken |
| 08:01.56 | CIA-22 | 03ammo * r43188 10LockSmith/LockSmith.lua: LockSmith: move libs to OnEnable |
| 08:02.16 | CIA-22 | 03ammo * r43189 10CrowBar/CrowBar.lua: CrowBar: move libs to OnEnable |
| 08:02.30 | abyssichate | AV AFK Bot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N19iSDpfFh4 |
| 08:03.20 | Nosrac | abyssichate LOL |
| 08:03.43 | jme | ahha nice |
| 08:03.44 | abyssichate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_hJUZ-4Ko8&NR=1 |
| 08:03.48 | abyssichate | there are loads :s |
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| 08:05.26 | Nosrac | abyssichate rofl |
| 08:06.03 | CIA-22 | 03ammo * r43190 10pDebuffList/core.lua: pDebuffList: move aura loading to OnEnable |
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| 08:11.38 | Nosrac | Night everyone |
| 08:13.19 | abyssichate | ckknight_: will you implement something to customize the outgoing/notif/ingoing events spawning fields later on |
| 08:13.21 | abyssichate | +? |
| 08:13.35 | ckknight_ | spawning fields? |
| 08:13.41 | ckknight_ | oh, the scroll areas? |
| 08:13.43 | ckknight_ | yea, of course |
| 08:13.56 | ckknight | you'll be able to make new scroll areas arbitrarily |
| 08:14.03 | ckknight | change the size, position, and animation style |
| 08:14.05 | ckknight | basically |
| 08:15.22 | ckknight | I also plan on making a specialized options system |
| 08:15.33 | ckknight | more similar to MSBT |
| 08:15.42 | abyssichate | awesome |
| 08:15.44 | ckknight | because the AceOptions system is too deep |
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| 08:20.24 | kebinusan | wow over 150 svn commits and no threat/omen change I think thats some kind of record |
| 08:25.20 | ckknight | I think I'm gonna hack in an extra "Inherit" option to SharedMediaLib's :List |
| 08:28.31 | ckknight | I need it for Parrot |
| 08:29.43 | ckknight | hrm |
| 08:29.47 | ckknight | localization is totally fucked, though. |
| 08:29.52 | ckknight | lousy foreigners. |
| 08:30.40 | sylvanaar | inherit what? |
| 08:31.17 | ckknight | sylvanaar: well, Parrot's combat events can specify their own fonts, but default to inheriting the master font |
| 08:32.34 | ckknight | actually, I won't hack SharedMediaLib |
| 08:32.44 | ckknight | I'll just do crazy stuff in Parrot instead |
| 08:32.45 | sylvanaar | hmm..SML does need namepsace context |
| 08:33.25 | ckknight | how do you mean? |
| 08:34.49 | sylvanaar | well, each user of the lib having his own context - in your case you could set the default or override or whatever its called |
| 08:36.22 | ckknight | hrm, I was just gonna hack in a font == "Inherit" bit |
| 08:36.52 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43191 10SimpleSelfRebuff/ (MouseWheelBinding/MouseWheelBinding.lua SimpleSelfRebuff.lua): SimpleSelfRebuff: better handle global cooldown. |
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| 08:37.30 | sylvanaar | meh, just wrap the calls |
| 08:38.11 | Neebler | ..in bacon! |
| 08:38.26 | Adirelle | right |
| 08:38.49 | mitch0 | ckk: I sorta needed that too (only with "Default") but I gave up as it looked too much work :) |
| 08:38.56 | Adirelle | damn you Neebler, I'm hungry now |
| 08:41.53 | sylvanaar | SML is not aware of the caller's context - and as each caller would have his own - it makes sense to keep it in the caller's code - but the implementations are the same - maybe a mixin |
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| 08:43.27 | ckknight | hrm |
| 08:43.34 | ckknight | been thinking recently |
| 08:43.47 | ckknight | about everything wrong with the current way we do things |
| 08:43.49 | ckknight | how it could be better |
| 08:43.57 | ckknight | cruft we rely on |
| 08:44.06 | ckknight | things that could be easier |
| 08:44.17 | ckknight | legacy code we rely on because it's legacy |
| 08:44.18 | ckknight | etc. |
| 08:45.15 | ckknight | but then maybe I'm thinking too big |
| 08:45.31 | Thrae | ckknight: I hope you're talking about the Wowace SVN and Ace2 development cycle as a whole? |
| 08:45.48 | ckknight | more the code than the cycle |
| 08:46.00 | ckknight | and I like the wowace svn |
| 08:46.02 | Thrae | Dammit, got my hopes up again! |
| 08:46.13 | ckknight | though I'm not fond of shitty authors posting on the svn |
| 08:46.21 | ckknight | but that's too complex to be helped |
| 08:46.25 | Thrae | You can like something and still want it changed. |
| 08:46.27 | ckknight | Thrae: why, what were your thoughts? |
| 08:47.44 | sylvanaar | incremental change is usually the wisest course |
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| 08:48.49 | ckknight | sylvanaar: potentially, but sometimes revolution is more useful |
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| 08:48.58 | sylvanaar | yes i know |
| 08:49.02 | ckknight | in the revolution vs. evolution debate |
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| 08:49.13 | Thrae | ckknight: I've already said 'em a billion times, but anyway -- the SVN should be seperated out into release, unstable (development), and revisions to release. For SVN standards, this is /tags, /trunk, and /branches respectively. WAU would mainly deal with /tags, not /trunk. People that wish to get the bleeding edge can just use regular SVN. |
| 08:49.24 | Nickenyfiken | Oh what's up with the "removed library optdeps." thing? |
| 08:49.34 | sylvanaar | they arent needed |
| 08:49.41 | Nickenyfiken | Ok so just away they go? |
| 08:49.49 | Nickenyfiken | With no other changes? |
| 08:49.52 | sylvanaar | they havent been needed for months |
| 08:49.56 | Adirelle | Thrae: I second that "release" things, though I'm not sure tags would be the easiest way |
| 08:50.08 | Thrae | ckknight: Additionally, authors should be able to easily lock out all others from their projects, adding people they want on the project manually. This prevents people from screwing up the project and having to revert, or taking over the project without their consent. |
| 08:50.11 | ckknight | Thrae: imho, I do think it'd be nice if there was a better tag/branch system, but I see no reason whatsoever to prevent WAU from using trunk, as sometimes that's what you want |
| 08:50.38 | ckknight | frankly, I disagree with that, as it goes against the spirit of SVN |
| 08:50.47 | ckknight | I haven't had people screw up my addons ... ever |
| 08:50.53 | ckknight | only time might've been a localization issue |
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| 08:51.38 | Adirelle | ckknight, Thrae: dealing with release/unstable could be a WAU option |
| 08:51.42 | sylvanaar | yeah - i tend to agree - i write code - they test and help fix bugs |
| 08:51.43 | ckknight | if people want to commit to my projects, I usually have no issue |
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| 08:51.47 | Nickenyfiken | Should X-Embeds be removed from toc too? |
| 08:51.55 | Thrae | ckknight: Actually, it's the way SVN was designed. Projects were broken up per SVN, not all put onto one SVN. If you mean the spirit of Wowace SVN, then I disagree there too. It won't break the spirit of cooperation, it'll just make people branch out their changes instead of changing the original source. |
| 08:52.01 | Adirelle | Nickenyfiken: not, only optdeps |
| 08:52.12 | Nickenyfiken | Okidoki |
| 08:52.47 | ckknight | frankly, I think branching is too hard for small changes |
| 08:52.51 | CIA-22 | 03ammo * r43192 10Necronomicon2/Core.lua: Necronomicon2: load babble-spell later. |
| 08:52.55 | sylvanaar | branching is a major hassle |
| 08:52.57 | ckknight | which is why I typically won't do it |
| 08:52.59 | Mec | The SVN wiki page is down so as a complete newb in this area how would I go about setting access up? |
| 08:53.03 | ckknight | too little ROI |
| 08:53.08 | Thrae | ckknight: Or, I should clarify, this restriction is for /branches (minor revisions), not for /trunk (ongoing development) |
| 08:53.09 | Adirelle | Nickenyfiken: basically you remove all optdeps but Ace2 and let AceLibrary LoDing the libraries when necessary |
| 08:53.27 | ckknight | Mec: hrm... frankly, I'd say wait a day or two for the wiki page to potentially come back |
| 08:53.45 | sylvanaar | yes, AceLibrary will load at the point of first use rather than when the addon is loaded |
| 08:53.58 | ckknight | Thrae: which restriction? |
| 08:54.21 | abyssichate | Does Necronomicon2 look closely like Necrosis? |
| 08:54.23 | Mec | ckknight: ok, will do |
| 08:54.27 | sylvanaar | the problem is what if you branch a library |
| 08:54.34 | Mec | abyssichate: I just tested them all out, and they're nothing alike |
| 08:54.37 | Nickenyfiken | hmm ok, well if the addon should be loaded on login? (It's just a display info addon) |
| 08:54.48 | ckknight | sylvanaar: yea, everything messes up then |
| 08:54.54 | ckknight | unless you change major version |
| 08:54.57 | sylvanaar | right |
| 08:55.31 | abyssichate | I'll test it, I hope it looks more like ShardAce then |
| 08:55.39 | CIA-22 | 03ammo * r43193 10Necronomicon2/Necronomicon2.toc: Necronomicon2: toc tweak |
| 08:55.39 | Thrae | ckknight: Restricted access to an addon/project in SVN for /branches (main branch) and /tags, but not /trunk. This helps promote stability and uniformity within a project when dealing with collaboration. |
| 08:55.56 | Adirelle | Nickenyfiken: don't worry too much, just remove optdeps on thing like Babble-2.2 and al, the addon itself can be loaded as usual |
| 08:56.11 | ckknight | frankly, I see it as having too low of an ROI |
| 08:56.35 | ckknight | also, I code for myself, I'm not paid for doing this |
| 08:56.38 | Thrae | ckknight: If you wish to make a change to the addon in current development, you are allowed to do so in /trunk. If you wish to make a change to the current stable version (IE, fix a bug), you make your own branch of the latest stable tag. |
| 08:56.45 | ckknight | and most of my users are scabs, to be honest |
| 08:57.08 | sylvanaar | exactly - the user's are there to help test, no free rides |
| 08:57.16 | ckknight | and the way I code my addons, /trunk/ might be the most stable version |
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| 08:57.21 | ckknight | the one with the most bugfixes maybe |
| 08:57.32 | Nickenyfiken | Adirelle: ok |
| 08:57.37 | Thrae | ckknight: So making a tag is just too much of a bother for you? |
| 08:57.41 | ckknight | yes |
| 08:57.49 | ckknight | unless there's some extremely easy automated way |
| 08:57.56 | sylvanaar | wait - branching from a tag |
| 08:58.02 | Thrae | Make a batch script |
| 08:58.29 | Thrae | If you use TortoiseSVN, it just takes a few clicks |
| 08:58.34 | CIA-22 | 03ammo * r43195 10BigWigs/BigWigs.toc: BigWigs: toc tweak |
| 08:58.37 | ckknight | I'd never know when to tag, as well, as I state again, /trunk/ is usually the most stable |
| 08:58.57 | ckknight | I use a mac |
| 08:58.59 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.10 | sylvanaar | it doesnt work to tag just your own addon - you have to tag the libraries which it was using |
| 08:59.15 | Adirelle | it really depends on the author |
| 08:59.20 | ckknight | yea, and there might be a bug in /tags/ that could make it actually less stable |
| 08:59.22 | ckknight | it really depends |
| 08:59.31 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Tag is a copy command, it'll copy the libraries at their current state when the tag was done. |
| 08:59.41 | Thrae | ckknight: Then you update the tag. |
| 08:59.49 | Adirelle | Thrae: unless if they are externals... |
| 08:59.49 | ckknight | and I'm not gonna dick around and commit a bugfix to an older version instead of working on the working copy |
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| 09:00.01 | Thrae | Adirelle: Including externals, they will be copied, not listed as externals |
| 09:00.17 | sylvanaar | almost none of us use externals anymore |
| 09:00.34 | ckknight | why should I support older versions? (even in /tags/) |
| 09:00.38 | ckknight | what do I get out of it? |
| 09:00.41 | Adirelle | sylvanaar: you mean "embedded external" ? |
| 09:00.44 | ckknight | you've never answered that |
| 09:00.45 | sylvanaar | right |
| 09:01.22 | Adirelle | sylvanaar: the problem is that a addon version is stable with associated libraries, be them embedded or not |
| 09:01.43 | Thrae | ckknight: Well, let's say you want to try something which might break the addon until you figure it out. SVN versioning is just for that. Except right now, people just break their addons and leave people to figure out when it was last stable on their own. |
| 09:02.01 | ckknight | I try not to break my addons. |
| 09:02.14 | ckknight | I almost always try to commit working copies |
| 09:02.15 | Thrae | No one is perfect. Bugs happen. |
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| 09:02.27 | sylvanaar | yeah - but maybe addon 1 is stable with lib 5 and addon 2 is stable with lib 5a - tags cant help that |
| 09:02.31 | ckknight | yea, and unless my users test it on /trunk/, the bugs never get tested |
| 09:02.50 | Thrae | ckknight: That's up to the users who want to test |
| 09:02.52 | ckknight | you can't seriously expect me to test every available path in my code before committing. |
| 09:03.03 | ckknight | yea, I don't have that much faith in users. |
| 09:03.04 | Thrae | ckknight: No, quite the opposite. |
| 09:03.23 | ckknight | my users have nothing much to gain out of specifically trying out a branch |
| 09:03.27 | ckknight | it just slows development for me |
| 09:03.28 | ckknight | imho |
| 09:03.52 | Thrae | ckknight: You said it yourself -- you try to only commit working copies. However, that goes against the reason we are using SVN in the first place -- versioning. SVN was built so it could keep a stable version, then go off breaking things in /trunk. |
| 09:03.59 | sylvanaar | yeah - i had that problem developing Prat in a branch, i had about 5 people testing |
| 09:04.15 | ckknight | we don't use SVN like a normal SVN anyway |
| 09:04.24 | ckknight | we use it as a pseudo release mechanism |
| 09:04.27 | ckknight | and sylvanaar's very right |
| 09:04.29 | Thrae | ckknight: For addons, /branches for the use of fixing minor bugs would be used very rarely probably, only for massive addons like BigWigs and the Ace2 library itself |
| 09:04.33 | Adirelle | well... you may want to include a new feature, that could potentially broke your addon. you could want on-the-edge users to test it, but regular user to keep on old version until the new feature is stable |
| 09:04.50 | ckknight | Adirelle: fuck the regular users? |
| 09:04.54 | ckknight | they don't pay me shit. |
| 09:04.59 | Thrae | sylvanaar: That's because you're talking about a different use of /branches then I am. |
| 09:05.02 | ckknight | I don't have to kowtow to them. |
| 09:05.22 | Adirelle | ckknight: erm... don't release any addon then... |
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| 09:05.42 | ckknight | nah, then there's no point, I do this mostly for the power trip |
| 09:05.51 | ckknight | if I do it just for myself, there's no one to gloat to |
| 09:05.52 | sylvanaar | Thrae can you express your use as part of the release system then? |
| 09:05.55 | Thrae | ckknight: Can I quote you on that? |
| 09:06.05 | ckknight | plus, users seem to like my mods |
| 09:06.09 | ckknight | well enough to try em out, at least |
| 09:06.23 | ckknight | Thrae: what? you didn't know this? |
| 09:06.51 | Thrae | ckknight: I'd say something, but I try to say only nice things about people. |
| 09:06.52 | Adirelle | ckknight: they would love you more if you see them which is last stable revision :p |
| 09:06.57 | sylvanaar | i like to write code that people use, thats the fun part of programming |
| 09:06.58 | Adirelle | s/see/tell/ |
| 09:07.11 | sylvanaar | i hate to test |
| 09:07.12 | ckknight | Adirelle: all my addons in trunk are the latest stable. |
| 09:07.30 | ckknight | I mean, I'm not a total dick or anything, I release my mods because people like them, and I feel appreciated when people give their thanks |
| 09:07.34 | Thrae | sylvanaar: It's actually the real SVN standard, not Wowace's design, which just kinda anarchy as it tried to form around all the huge attention it got, that no one expected. |
| 09:07.40 | Adirelle | ckknight: that's not the case of *all* addons as it depends on author |
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| 09:08.01 | Nickenyfiken | Adirelle: SimpleSelfRebuff-r43125\Reminder\Reminder.lua:223: attempt to index global 'MikSBT' (a nil value) |
| 09:08.01 | ckknight | Adirelle: right, and for me, all addons in trunk are latest stable. |
| 09:08.10 | Mec | ckknight: do you upload your current testing version or just keep it local? |
| 09:08.17 | Thrae | sylvanaar: /trunk --> ongoing development, /tags --> tagged releases (non-versioned), /branches --> minor fixes that need to be tested before tagged |
| 09:08.47 | ckknight | Mec: mostly keep it local, but because of the way I develop, I don't make huge changes, I make lots of little incremental changes |
| 09:08.53 | Thrae | sylvanaar: SVN was made for larger undertakings of course, so part of this doesn't really apply to addon making (like /branches would rarely be used) |
| 09:08.54 | sylvanaar | Thrae i know about branch and merge devlopment and version control, but can you define how to map that onto the current release system and take into account libraries |
| 09:09.10 | ckknight | but then once I deem something usable (it might have _unknown_ bugs in it), I'll commit |
| 09:09.13 | ckknight | then do bugfixing |
| 09:09.15 | Adirelle | ckknight: I think an optionnal but working "stable" system could be useful, though I don't really see any way to do it :p |
| 09:09.47 | Adirelle | Nickenyfiken: thanks for the report |
| 09:09.53 | sylvanaar | what are the "stable" library versions, and who decides that |
| 09:09.59 | Thrae | sylvanaar: When you do a /tag, you copy everything as-is, including the contents of an external. |
| 09:10.09 | sylvanaar | righjt |
| 09:10.15 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Ah well, who decides when ckknight can break Ace2? :D |
| 09:10.17 | sylvanaar | but libraries are shared |
| 09:10.33 | sylvanaar | so 2 tags will have different libraries |
| 09:10.35 | ckknight | Thrae: I do, but it typically gets fixed ASAP with minimal collateral damage |
| 09:10.47 | ckknight | Thrae: but really, I should do some of that stuff in branches |
| 09:10.52 | ckknight | or at least do more unit testing |
| 09:11.06 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Digressing, Ace2 isn't really changed -that- often outside of minor bug fixes which do not effect a large population of the addons. |
| 09:11.08 | Adirelle | Nickenyfiken: any other feedback, be it good or bad ? |
| 09:11.45 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Making which tags are considered stable would be up to the Ace2 authors, like ckknight. |
| 09:12.00 | Thrae | It would, of course, be based on user feedback and unit testing. |
| 09:12.21 | theoddone33 | ugh |
| 09:12.26 | ckknight | Thrae: as soon as someone has a trunk addon, though, the library uses that version, though |
| 09:12.28 | theoddone33 | I just thought of the perfect name for a guild |
| 09:12.28 | ckknight | not the tag version. |
| 09:12.32 | ckknight | so your point is moot |
| 09:12.34 | theoddone33 | yet I already have a guild |
| 09:12.37 | ckknight | theoddone33: hrm? |
| 09:12.45 | theoddone33 | <Aggro all bears> |
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| 09:12.59 | theoddone33 | in honor of the "skinning a bear should aggro all bears" post |
| 09:13.08 | Thrae | ckknight: The idea is that people should link to externals in /tag, not /trunk. |
| 09:13.16 | sylvanaar | there is no "side by side" library usage without changing the major version |
| 09:13.20 | ckknight | but then no one would test the trunk ones. |
| 09:13.43 | ckknight | theoddone33: BEST. FRIEND. |
| 09:14.08 | ckknight | theoddone33: actually it's Aggro every bears |
| 09:14.14 | theoddone33 | ah |
| 09:14.15 | theoddone33 | even better |
| 09:14.20 | Thrae | ckknight: If no one uses a new version of a library, why was it made in the first place? |
| 09:14.40 | sylvanaar | thats the deal i think people make here - want to use it, help test it |
| 09:14.42 | ckknight | Thrae: um, because it's better than the last |
| 09:14.46 | Thrae | If people are so concerned about what version of the library an addon is using in /trunk, they can change it |
| 09:14.56 | Thrae | ckknight: That's so not necessarily true. |
| 09:15.19 | Thrae | Anyway, if we're talking about libraries, then let's pick a sane versioning system. |
| 09:15.54 | Adirelle | btw, libraries doesn't change so often either |
| 09:15.56 | ckknight | here's the deal: I believe that users are rather ignorant about the whole addon process, and we have to provide them with the path of least resistance in order to get them to do what we want (use our mods, test them, send bug reports, etc.). |
| 09:16.14 | ckknight | if we make things too hard, then they will find another path of least resistance. |
| 09:16.29 | Thrae | FooLib-Beta == Un-released library. FooLib-1.0 == First release. FooLib-1.1 == Major change which breaks compatibility (such as one to the API). etc. |
| 09:17.06 | sylvanaar | arent they just strings ? |
| 09:17.10 | Mec | ckknight: qft, I've programmed mods before but I'm rusty as hell and I think the ace thing is still confusing, i just use files.wowace.com... I couldnt even imagine what nonprogrammers think |
| 09:17.13 | ckknight | Thrae: in most cases, that causes unnecessary work for authors, but that is the way most things are right now |
| 09:17.16 | Adirelle | Thrae: unless for the "Beta", I think it already work this way |
| 09:17.28 | ckknight | Mec: I just try to think what my sister-in-law thinks |
| 09:17.34 | ckknight | "I like the Fatality sound, it's cute" |
| 09:17.39 | theoddone33 | aw fricking crap |
| 09:17.50 | ckknight | "But I muted it cause it was annoying" |
| 09:17.54 | theoddone33 | there are already 3 guilds on US servers named <Aggro Every Bears> |
| 09:17.56 | theoddone33 | :( |
| 09:17.57 | ckknight | yep, never got a single bug report from her. |
| 09:18.03 | ckknight | theoddone33: lol. |
| 09:18.10 | theoddone33 | I thought of it! not those people |
| 09:18.18 | Thrae | Adirelle, ckknight: Not really, since most libraries are in a state of perpetual development with no clear singular versioning. |
| 09:18.35 | Thrae | ckknight: Didn't you just add a new method to Ace2 yesterday? |
| 09:18.37 | ckknight | well, depends on the library |
| 09:18.47 | ckknight | Thrae: yea, but that doesn't break API |
| 09:18.52 | ckknight | or compat |
| 09:18.59 | sylvanaar | just backward |
| 09:19.01 | Thrae | ckknight: That's a major change, though. |
| 09:19.06 | ckknight | no, it's not |
| 09:19.10 | ckknight | as it doesn't break compat |
| 09:19.13 | ckknight | it just adds extra features |
| 09:19.14 | Thrae | Yes it is! What you did could break the library. |
| 09:19.20 | Adirelle | wait... it depends how you define "major change" |
| 09:19.21 | ckknight | no, it didn't. |
| 09:19.28 | ckknight | major change = backwards incompatible change. |
| 09:19.33 | ckknight | for me |
| 09:19.36 | ckknight | which I didn't do |
| 09:19.45 | Thrae | But it COULD. Hence why Major Revisions are any additions, Minor Revisions are bug fixes. |
| 09:19.47 | Adirelle | that what I read somewhere on the wiki too |
| 09:19.59 | ckknight | no, Thrae |
| 09:19.59 | ckknight | that's not how things are |
| 09:19.59 | ckknight | and you should drop it now |
| 09:20.02 | ckknight | because I won't argue semantics |
| 09:20.04 | ckknight | I refuse to |
| 09:20.16 | Thrae | ckknight: You want to argue the semantics of the SVN standards? |
| 09:20.35 | ckknight | no, because they don't apply to us as our project is much different from other SVN products |
| 09:20.39 | ckknight | SVN-based products* |
| 09:21.02 | theoddone33 | uh |
| 09:21.13 | theoddone33 | subversion has "standards" for project using it? |
| 09:21.15 | theoddone33 | that's ridiculous |
| 09:21.36 | theoddone33 | they're not very good subversives |
| 09:21.37 | Adirelle | Thrae: it's a project-specific convention, if it's stated that any addition implies a new major, let it be, if it's stated the only API incompatibility imples a new major, let it be too |
| 09:21.41 | sylvanaar | i think we make a change that's makes it easier for developers rather than users |
| 09:21.49 | Adirelle | Thrae: for wowace libs, the second point has been stated |
| 09:22.20 | ckknight | wowace definitely places the developer above the user |
| 09:22.26 | ckknight | and from this, a trickle-down effect occurs |
| 09:22.31 | ckknight | where users eventually get better mods |
| 09:22.36 | sylvanaar | maybe we can improve debugging and logging services |
| 09:22.48 | Thrae | The same rules apply. You could make a change for your own purposes, and find it effects something else you didn't realize. Since every addon always uses the latest copy, you'll get easy testing, but it might be broken for hours until people figure out -which- addon/library is causing the problem. |
| 09:22.54 | ckknight | compared to if we were to place the user above the developer, making things harder for the developer, and overall the user suffers |
| 09:23.29 | sylvanaar | Thrae but dont forget those users updated willingly |
| 09:23.40 | Fisker- | weed out the bad influences in the community! |
| 09:23.41 | Fisker- | i.e. me |
| 09:23.54 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Right now, users don't have a choice on getting the latest stable and getting the latest in development. That's exactly what I am talking about. |
| 09:23.55 | ckknight | go back to your studies, Fisker- |
| 09:23.58 | Fisker- | :( |
| 09:24.05 | Fisker- | I got weekend |
| 09:24.08 | Fisker- | and next week is holidays |
| 09:24.15 | ckknight | Thrae: somebody forced a gun to their head and told them "You must update with WAU now!" |
| 09:24.17 | Adirelle | the harder part is too convince people to install an addon "for the good of the guild" and have that addon broken even for a few minutes when the user install it |
| 09:24.18 | ckknight | ...right |
| 09:24.26 | Fisker- | They witness the wheels of my automobile rotating |
| 09:24.28 | Adirelle | then... try to convince them to update |
| 09:25.16 | Thrae | ckknight: How do they know the version on the SVN is broken? They might have just logged in for the first time in 3 months and want to update their addons, as well they should. |
| 09:25.16 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 09:25.16 | ckknight | their choice |
| 09:25.16 | ckknight | most of the time, addons aren't broken |
| 09:25.30 | Thrae | Big addons break more often, and those are the ones who would benefit most from a saner versioning solution. |
| 09:25.33 | theoddone33 | I'm not sure that's true |
| 09:25.43 | theoddone33 | but I'd say ace addons aren't broken any more or less than other addons |
| 09:25.47 | Adirelle | well... dunno for you, but I'm the "addon-guy" of my guild... it's a pain in the ass to convince some people using "better" addons |
| 09:25.49 | Thrae | Little addons are fine right now. |
| 09:26.06 | sylvanaar | Thrae i write WAU i know they want that - but allowing them to pin versions means that you have to deal with the idiots who dont unpin them. |
| 09:26.06 | ckknight | Thrae: when's the last time FuBar was broken? |
| 09:26.09 | ckknight | it's a pretty big addon ;-) |
| 09:26.27 | Thrae | ckknight: Oh, I saw a bug report a few days ago. |
| 09:26.33 | Thrae | But anyway, I digress. |
| 09:26.36 | ckknight | please, one bug = broken? |
| 09:26.37 | ckknight | no. |
| 09:26.40 | ckknight | I disagree |
| 09:26.56 | ckknight | I'm not saying it's bugfree |
| 09:26.57 | sylvanaar | and if too many say "only want stable" all the authors will lable stuff stable |
| 09:27.06 | Adirelle | ace ones are quite good, if not very good, but it would be easier to have "stable-to-stable" updating process that would skip intermediate revisions |
| 09:27.09 | ckknight | but it works, it's stable, and most people don't encounter bugs |
| 09:27.34 | ckknight | Adirelle: but it's so hard to tell if something is buggy or non-buggy until users test. |
| 09:27.43 | Thrae | Alright, at this point in the conversation, I must ask you ckknight... |
| 09:27.49 | ckknight | k? |
| 09:28.02 | sylvanaar | and backing up thier addons is thier job |
| 09:28.02 | Thrae | Why the hell did you ask for feedback if you like everything the way it is now? |
| 09:28.19 | ckknight | I wanted to know what you thought |
| 09:28.48 | Adirelle | ckknight: yes, but you also know when you're going to make big change that breaks thing (and I don't even speak of drycoding :p), so you could tag a revision to be "before breakage revision", aka "latest stable" |
| 09:28.48 | ckknight | and you brought the topic about in a way that was completely different than what I was thinking about |
| 09:28.56 | Thrae | So you like feedback, and you reserve the right to ignore and belittle it? |
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| 09:29.00 | ckknight | I was thinking more about DSLs in AceEvent and such |
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| 09:29.02 | CIA-22 | - Loottables reordered. |
| 09:29.23 | sylvanaar | I had the same thought at one point too Thrae, over time I have realized that its not as easy as it sounds |
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| 09:29.54 | ckknight | Adirelle: but tagging is hard and what if I prematurely tag a revision? or if I never tag it? if I have a separate tag/trunk system, then people may use one or the other, thus having more overall suffering |
| 09:30.01 | ckknight | as there are two separate code paths |
| 09:30.27 | ckknight | Thrae: I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to be a pragmatist |
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| 09:31.17 | Adirelle | hrm... definitively going towards the "optional stable" system |
| 09:31.24 | sylvanaar | i tag stuff i release to addon sites |
| 09:31.32 | Thrae | ckknight: Proper use of tagging should be reserved for relatively huge endevours, or a popular shared resource. All the other authors can just tag willy-nilly. |
| 09:31.56 | Thrae | sylvanaar: I'm talking about using files.wowace.com as a release mechanism. |
| 09:32.02 | sylvanaar | right |
| 09:32.06 | Adirelle | right too |
| 09:32.10 | Adirelle | that what I would like too |
| 09:32.15 | ckknight | but if we have a separate tag/trunk system, many users might use tags and I won't get people testing my latest features/reporting latest bugs |
| 09:32.51 | Thrae | ckknight: You'd have to rely on all the people that love you so much, they'll use the latest version in testing. |
| 09:33.03 | sylvanaar | and if someone mixes embeeded tagged libs with embedded trunk libs there could be issues |
| 09:33.18 | Adirelle | ckknight: not, you will have lambda user uses "working" revisions and have developpers and advanced users test the last revisions |
| 09:33.33 | ckknight | I rely on the people who take the path of least resistance |
| 09:33.41 | Thrae | sylvanaar: There's already lots of things that can go wrong right now. |
| 09:33.51 | sylvanaar | i realize that |
| 09:34.15 | Thrae | sylvanaar: If anything, you could say it's adding at least one thing and removing at least one thing from going wrong. |
| 09:34.51 | sylvanaar | maybe improving the bug report/data collection process would be a better use of our time |
| 09:34.53 | Adirelle | ckknight: they are people that are *not* willing to test, just to use, they won't give any feedback with the current releasing process |
| 09:35.06 | ckknight | and I frankly don't care about them. |
| 09:35.16 | ckknight | so they are out of my mind |
| 09:35.24 | Adirelle | ckknight: well... not all author thinks like you... |
| 09:35.27 | ckknight | and don't apply to the situation as far as I'm concerned |
| 09:35.30 | ckknight | maybe not |
| 09:35.42 | ckknight | and everyone has their own opinion |
| 09:35.43 | sylvanaar | ie, automating that process so we can get good info |
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| 09:35.50 | ckknight | but don't force me into trying to think your way |
| 09:36.37 | ckknight | sylvanaar: I had thought about that, like how AceAddon has the about/donate, it could have bug report/feature request things |
| 09:36.40 | Thrae | ckknight: I never said anyone had to use /tags or /branches, just that the use of /tags, /branches, and /trunk would change. |
| 09:36.40 | Adirelle | I won't... I think we're mostly asking to let author that think this way have some kind of support |
| 09:37.18 | ckknight | Thrae: people are free to use /tags and /branches now |
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| 09:37.36 | sylvanaar | yeah, or just have wau upload addon logs etc |
| 09:37.47 | Thrae | ckknight: If you don't like the change, you can keep yourself in /trunk. If people love your addons so much, they'll just use the proper SVN mechanism to download stuff. |
| 09:37.54 | Adirelle | ckknight: I mean, just admit some peoples think this way and would be happy to have something in wowace.com to handle this |
| 09:38.04 | ckknight | Thrae: nah, users don't use SVN |
| 09:38.06 | ckknight | nor should they |
| 09:38.07 | Thrae | ckknight: Well, the general idea is for WAU to look in /tags first, /trunk second. |
| 09:38.13 | Thrae | ckknight: I thought you said screw the users. |
| 09:38.21 | ckknight | I need the users, though |
| 09:38.22 | mitch0 | well, some of them do |
| 09:38.25 | ckknight | they're just asses. |
| 09:38.29 | ckknight | except you, mitch0 |
| 09:38.32 | ckknight | you're the good one |
| 09:38.32 | mitch0 | :) |
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| 09:38.55 | Thrae | Why do you need the users? If you find a bug while playing WoW (when do you ever have the time to do that anyway?), you can probably more easily fix it since you're the one who found it. |
| 09:38.58 | ckknight | most of the users that report bugs/feature requests to me use WAU/files |
| 09:39.01 | mitch0 | what's the debate about, btw? |
| 09:39.25 | mitch0 | I got bugreports on wowi... |
| 09:39.46 | sylvanaar | unless they are paying money, helping to test, support or document, we dont need to prioritize thier needs |
| 09:39.51 | mitch0 | I think the best would be to use wowi for "stable" releases, and let wau pick those if present |
| 09:39.58 | mitch0 | (dunno if it does that already) |
| 09:40.02 | Thrae | mitch0: That's not up to us, though |
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| 09:40.19 | sylvanaar | well, maybe an automated release to WOWI mechanism |
| 09:40.28 | ckknight | mitch0: I like the way things are wrt files/WAU/SVN, and Thrae thinks that we should go out of my way to manually tag my releases, which I believe has too low of an ROI to be worth it |
| 09:40.36 | ckknight | sylvanaar: that'd be pimp |
| 09:40.50 | sylvanaar | i hate dealilng with those web forms |
| 09:40.52 | ckknight | sylvanaar: I've talked to Cairenn/Dolby about it, and they got back to me 2 and a half months later |
| 09:41.07 | ckknight | so I no longer post to WoWI |
| 09:41.12 | ckknight | instead, the curse guys update my addons for me |
| 09:41.15 | ckknight | it's pretty sweet |
| 09:42.16 | Adirelle | ckknight: and well... what about publising to a new thing like stable.wowace.com from tags and let WAU check stable THEN files ? :D |
| 09:42.19 | mitch0 | well, tagging would be nice |
| 09:42.30 | mitch0 | or if not that, developing on branches would be nice |
| 09:42.39 | mitch0 | that's the sane way to do it |
| 09:42.53 | sylvanaar | if you have a paid testing staff |
| 09:43.02 | mitch0 | you can get away with the way we do stuff here only because there's nothing "important" breaking if you commit some silly stuff |
| 09:43.55 | ckknight | Adirelle: well, that's the whole tagging system we're talking about |
| 09:44.03 | mitch0 | usually I try to do the big changes in branches, but sometimes I can't be arsed either. my bad. but at least I know I do something wrong ;) |
| 09:44.24 | ckknight | Adirelle: basically, if they do that, then everyone will use stable and I will get less bug reports/feature requests/testing of new stuff |
| 09:44.31 | Adirelle | ckknight: right... but with the tag->trunk fallback system every author can choose if he wanted tagged releases or not |
| 09:44.47 | sylvanaar | ok - the users who want the "stable" branch - are the ones who probably wont help test either |
| 09:44.56 | ckknight | sylvanaar's right |
| 09:45.05 | ckknight | and as I said, I don't care about those guys |
| 09:45.05 | Adirelle | I agree with sylvanaar too |
| 09:45.15 | Adirelle | wait |
| 09:45.33 | mitch0 | so, there should be an option in wau to get "bleeding edge" or get "stable". problem solved |
| 09:45.43 | mitch0 | stable being tag based or w/e |
| 09:45.44 | Adirelle | just don't tag your own mods if you don't want too... but please allow other people to do so if they want |
| 09:45.54 | Adirelle | I think we can find something that would allow both |
| 09:46.17 | Thrae | This whole discussion was intended to resolve issues with using files.wowace.com as a release mechanism. The word "release" implies the addon is at least stable candidate, not in a state of perpetual development. At least give the users the choice of stable or bleeding edge. |
| 09:46.18 | Adirelle | basically : just let people choose |
| 09:46.53 | sylvanaar | how about getting the "big3" to sweep tags and release the addons for us from there |
| 09:47.10 | mitch0 | thrae: /agree |
| 09:47.11 | Thrae | sylvanaar: The "big3"? |
| 09:47.21 | sylvanaar | wowi, curse, uiwow |
| 09:47.31 | mitch0 | right now it's kinda commonplace to commit drycoded stuff to trunk |
| 09:47.57 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Well that's fine, as long as the addon's copyright says they can be distributed freely or on those sites. |
| 09:48.04 | sylvanaar | so if you tag, you get the added benefit that it's pushed to the addon sites |
| 09:48.08 | Thrae | mitch0: That's what the SVN is -for-, versioning. |
| 09:48.11 | Adirelle | ckknight: take the thing in the other way: would you mind if a releasing thing is added if it wouldn't change the way YOU release your addons/libs ? |
| 09:48.15 | sylvanaar | just trying to make it sellable |
| 09:48.32 | mitch0 | thrae: yeah, but it's not OK to generate the release .zips out of trunk |
| 09:48.38 | ckknight | *shrug* I'd be fine if it wasn't expected of me to tag anything or change my ways |
| 09:48.47 | Thrae | mitch0: Which is where this whole discussion started from. |
| 09:48.54 | sylvanaar | that also moves the "release only" folks back out to those sites |
| 09:49.00 | mitch0 | thrae: good :) |
| 09:49.23 | mitch0 | I was just trying to throw in my 2c supporting the tag based release system |
| 09:49.25 | Adirelle | ckknight: the point of the "tag->trunk" fallback, e.g. is nothing is tagged, use the trunk, so if you don't want to have "stable" release, just don't tag |
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| 09:49.56 | ckknight | Adirelle: it's still completely fucked wrt libraries, though, so you know |
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| 09:50.01 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Well, right now, someone outside the the Ace community really has no idea what is stable and what isn't. |
| 09:50.08 | Adirelle | "wrt" ? |
| 09:50.13 | ckknight | with regard to |
| 09:50.50 | Adirelle | right... cause of the copy operation |
| 09:51.04 | Thrae | Adirelle: The copy operation is a Good Thing(tm) |
| 09:51.06 | Srosh | well, can't be too sure on the ui sites either; I mean, with addons it's always a bit of a gamble whether it works or not |
| 09:51.23 | sylvanaar | the only way to solve this is by using a side-by-side |
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| 09:51.34 | Thrae | Srosh: Most addon authors do not update their addons nearly as much as a SVN user does. |
| 09:51.38 | sylvanaar | technique like MS does |
| 09:52.01 | Thrae | Srosh: And the "big three" all have a way to put betas on there, seperate from the stable releases... |
| 09:52.11 | Thrae | It's only Wowace SVN, as a release mechanism, which lacks this |
| 09:52.18 | ckknight | side-by-side? |
| 09:52.24 | Adirelle | having a second SVN ? |
| 09:52.47 | ckknight | you know what I'd like? autotagging on every tuesday, which would be dubbed "patch tuesday" :-P |
| 09:52.54 | sylvanaar | yeah side-by-side means running multiple versions of the same lib at the same time |
| 09:53.00 | Adirelle | oh |
| 09:53.19 | sylvanaar | non-shared |
| 09:53.22 | Adirelle | eek |
| 09:53.25 | ckknight | oh yea, sylvanaar, that'd work fine, but be horribly, horribly bloated and remove much of the point of using Ace2 as an efficiency mechanism |
| 09:53.25 | Thrae | sylvanaar: That's the way stub versioning was intended to work, long ago. |
| 09:53.56 | Thrae | ckknight: Those people can use embeds.xml and Ace2 as an Opt Dep. |
| 09:54.12 | ckknight | Thrae: we must mover forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom! |
| 09:54.13 | sylvanaar | im just trying to explain whats involved and why its not so simple as you may think |
| 09:54.15 | Adirelle | ckknight: btw... autotagging could be an option :p |
| 09:54.38 | ckknight | Adirelle: actually what I'd prefer most is autotagging + release to the big 3 |
| 09:54.43 | Thrae | ckknight: I don't get the reference. |
| 09:54.49 | Adirelle | I mean we could use custom svn properties : "tag this every day" |
| 09:54.49 | ckknight | Thrae: simpsons |
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| 09:55.04 | Thrae | Ah, I think I stopped watching at episode 3152. |
| 09:55.23 | ckknight | Thrae: I think it's from S7 or S8 |
| 09:55.45 | Thrae | Adirelle: Uhhh, that would kinda defeat the purpose of tagging |
| 09:55.54 | Adirelle | thrae: yeah :D |
| 09:56.03 | ckknight | basically, the issue with tagging/releasing to sites is that the ROI is so low because the investment is so high. If the investment were to be lowered (this is keeping in mind that time is a resource), then the ROI would be increased. |
| 09:56.38 | Thrae | ckknight: You keep saying that time is an investment, however, last I checked, you're not the one who administrates the SVN? |
| 09:56.51 | Thrae | I believe that is Kaelten and pastamancer? |
| 09:56.52 | ckknight | no, I merely use it |
| 09:57.00 | ckknight | but this isn't an administation issue only |
| 09:57.09 | ckknight | I would have to take time and energy to tag releases |
| 09:57.32 | Thrae | And I'm not saying you have to tag releases |
| 09:57.57 | ckknight | then what's the point of this convo? |
| 09:58.07 | Thrae | You just have to tag releases if you want WAU to show them as "released", or possibly pushed out to the big3 like sylvanaar is talking about. |
| 09:58.15 | Srosh | to get WAU to support tags? |
| 09:58.20 | sylvanaar | no no |
| 09:58.36 | Adirelle | Thrae: or both |
| 09:58.53 | sylvanaar | i think tag->big 3 is the best |
| 09:58.58 | sylvanaar | not wau |
| 09:59.05 | Srosh | I mean, I don't care, I'm bleeding edge user by heart, and I don't have a problem to get cut :P |
| 09:59.35 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Then WAU wouldn't be used for an all-in-one updater for released addons. |
| 09:59.37 | Adirelle | sylvanaar: depends... using wau as a central updated is fine too |
| 09:59.45 | theoddone33 | I'm gonna guess that casual users only update their mods if WoW patches break them |
| 09:59.51 | sylvanaar | right, because we dont want them mixing |
| 09:59.57 | theoddone33 | so one tag every WoW patch would suffice |
| 10:00.04 | mitch0 | wau should have an option for stable/bleeding edge, imho |
| 10:00.16 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Right now, WAU is the only working updater of its kind. If you're asking the big3 to make their own updaters, I think you're asking a little too much. |
| 10:00.34 | theoddone33 | the biggest problem is who decides what is stable |
| 10:00.36 | theoddone33 | and when |
| 10:00.39 | Thrae | I'm talking about what we can do under our own power. |
| 10:00.41 | Thelyna | isn't there another updater out there that goes around the big3? |
| 10:00.51 | Thelyna | or am I blowing smoke into the wind? |
| 10:00.53 | sylvanaar | WUU |
| 10:00.55 | Thrae | Thelyna: Worldofwar has one, but it's buggy |
| 10:01.13 | sylvanaar | yeah and uiwow |
| 10:01.23 | Adirelle | theoddone33: it's the chooce of each author, one would even choose to never tag their work as "stable" |
| 10:01.30 | Adirelle | s/chooce/choice/ |
| 10:01.42 | theoddone33 | then stability is pretty arbitrary |
| 10:01.47 | theoddone33 | and loses its meaning |
| 10:02.00 | sylvanaar | ok - this all has to be about making things easier on the developers |
| 10:02.18 | theoddone33 | I dunno |
| 10:02.21 | Thelyna | I thought it was making things easier for non-tech-savvy end-users? |
| 10:02.26 | theoddone33 | developers don't really need to deal with files.wowace.com |
| 10:02.27 | sylvanaar | so, define it in that context |
| 10:02.28 | theoddone33 | just svn |
| 10:02.43 | Thelyna | i.e. allowing them to spot "stable" versus "development" addons |
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| 10:02.56 | CIA-22 | CraftList2: |
| 10:02.56 | CIA-22 | - potential !craft bugfix |
| 10:03.11 | Thrae | theoddone33: files.wowace.com was made as a quick fix to help reduce bandwidth costs when the Wowace SVN exploded. |
| 10:03.37 | theoddone33 | but it's also an extremely convenient method of updating |
| 10:03.49 | theoddone33 | with the caveat that I think you're noting because I'm only half listening: that you risk getting a broken addon |
| 10:03.51 | sylvanaar | that's how things go - small ideas can develop large followings |
| 10:03.58 | Thrae | s/bandwidth costs/resource usage (including bandwidth)/ |
| 10:04.13 | theoddone33 | purl: thank you, that will be quite enough |
| 10:04.13 | purl | no worries, theoddone33 |
| 10:05.01 | sylvanaar | its extremely easy to release updates to my addons - so i get alot out of the current system |
| 10:05.02 | theoddone33 | so as far as I'm understanding, you're concerned with fixing that caveat? |
| 10:05.18 | theoddone33 | which I'm sure there's a way to do... just haven't figured it out |
| 10:05.52 | Adirelle | I think we're mainly talking about allowing author to indicate "releases" through SVN and having an automated process publishing those version to the big3 |
| 10:05.59 | theoddone33 | first suggestion that comes to mind is making it prop less often |
| 10:06.20 | Adirelle | plus, optionnaly, handle those tagged revision in WAU, allowing people to choose between "released" or "on-the-edge" versions |
| 10:06.23 | theoddone33 | if you break an addon you have a day or number of hours to fix it before non-power users get it |
| 10:06.35 | theoddone33 | that has the downside of reducing the convenience for people like me |
| 10:07.23 | theoddone33 | anyway I'm offering my purely unsolicited opinions in this discussion as a user though one with development experience (not in WoW mods) |
| 10:07.34 | Kuja^ | how to escape an " in lua? |
| 10:07.44 | Adirelle | anyway, gonna play a little :p |
| 10:07.47 | ckknight | Kuja^: "he said \"hey there\"" |
| 10:08.17 | ckknight | you know, it might be an idea to have files propagate only if the addon hasn't been updated in a day or so, or potentially, have WAU only update things that haven't been committed to in a day or so |
| 10:08.18 | ckknight | *shrug* |
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| 10:08.34 | Kuja^ | okay, thank you |
| 10:08.35 | ckknight | or have an option in WAU |
| 10:08.46 | ckknight | Kuja^: also, 'he said "hey there"' |
| 10:08.52 | ckknight | Kuja^: or [[he said "hey there"]] |
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| 10:09.21 | theoddone33 | well just an example |
| 10:09.29 | theoddone33 | ckknight starts a new addon |
| 10:09.29 | ckknight | or maybe not a day, maybe 3 or 6 hours |
| 10:09.30 | ckknight | or something |
| 10:09.33 | theoddone33 | theoddone33 is interested in it |
| 10:09.39 | theoddone33 | but isn't sure if it's "battle ready" yet |
| 10:09.47 | theoddone33 | and has no way to know except by trying it |
| 10:10.00 | theoddone33 | something that "fixed" that situation would be handy |
| 10:10.08 | ckknight | right. |
| 10:10.08 | ckknight | or asking me |
| 10:10.08 | theoddone33 | especially if it was at no extra time cost for developers |
| 10:10.21 | theoddone33 | well your standard of battle ready may be different than mine |
| 10:10.33 | theoddone33 | or I may be a hypothetical user not idling in this channel 24/7 |
| 10:10.36 | theoddone33 | etc etc |
| 10:10.54 | Sirow | and there he goes^^ |
| 10:11.05 | theoddone33 | now I can't ask him if his addon is ready :( |
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| 10:11.30 | sylvanaar | well, there has always been wiki pages or forum threads for most addons |
| 10:11.40 | theoddone33 | sure, but I'm a bad user |
| 10:11.43 | theoddone33 | never visit those |
| 10:12.04 | theoddone33 | but it probably shouldn't be about fixing the problems of bad users :) |
| 10:12.53 | theoddone33 | the only way I see a change to files.wowace working is if there was files2.wowace files3.wowace with different propping rules, but that obviously has a server/space cost |
| 10:13.21 | sylvanaar | and they couldn;t be mixed - itd be like cosmos |
| 10:13.23 | theoddone33 | I define "working" in the possibly poor way of "pleasing everyone" |
| 10:13.37 | sylvanaar | you would get relelase everything or beta everything |
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| 10:14.01 | CIA-22 | - fix zhCN arena bug |
| 10:14.06 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Wait, what are we talking about now, specifically? |
| 10:14.45 | theoddone33 | hot women, I think |
| 10:14.56 | sylvanaar | alternate feeds i imagine |
| 10:15.34 | mitch0 | thrae: is that new? :) |
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| 10:17.02 | theoddone33 | well files.wowace.com and stable.wowace.com wouldn't be bad |
| 10:17.14 | theoddone33 | but then the trick is what I said before, how to decide what is and isn't stable |
| 10:17.33 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Well, for the zip script, it could just zip up /tag along with /trunk like it does now. Then with WAU, it'll search the files.wowace.com tags list first, and put them in the "Tagged Release" catagory. /trunk zips would go in the "Under Development" catagory. |
| 10:17.42 | Sirow | if you want stables, better visit wwwowowinterface.com, this still is just SVN backend |
| 10:17.54 | Sirow | *www.wowinterface.com |
| 10:18.03 | Thrae | Sirow: We're talking about files.wowace.com, not dev.wowace.com |
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| 10:18.20 | theoddone33 | that's a good point though |
| 10:18.37 | theoddone33 | maybe the issue is solved by alternate distribution methods |
| 10:19.35 | sylvanaar | well, addon compilation authors can do that |
| 10:20.09 | Thrae | Why can't files.wowace.com be used as a release mechanism? SVN already has a good system for that through /tags. Also note that you'll need accounts for the "big3" already in existance, which is more people you have to register with. |
| 10:20.26 | Thrae | Sorry, those should have been two separate points of discussion |
| 10:21.12 | Strigoi | ckknight very nice job on Parrot so far ;p is there abbility to change scrolling direction yet? |
| 10:21.25 | theoddone33 | my opinion as an outsider is that files.wowace.com servers a good purpose as it is, and any change to it would probably be better as an additional option than as a replacement |
| 10:21.26 | ckknight | not yet |
| 10:21.27 | ckknight | soon |
| 10:22.15 | Strigoi | oke, sounds great, also wonderring about power gains filter |
| 10:22.31 | Thrae | theoddone33: I don't see how separating files.wowace.com's webpage into "Tagged Releases" and "Development" is really going to confuse people? |
| 10:22.38 | Strigoi | to filter small ammounts of mana\hp gains |
| 10:22.38 | theoddone33 | so instead of "why can't files.wowace.com be used as a release mechanism" with that line of thought I'd answer "because it already has a purpose" and I'd suggest adding something else to be used as a release mechanism as that's needed |
| 10:22.48 | theoddone33 | ok I see what you're saying now |
| 10:22.57 | theoddone33 | not replacing it's current functionality |
| 10:22.59 | sylvanaar | i say we make a logging and data collection system so we can skip the usual 20 questions |
| 10:23.00 | theoddone33 | just adding on |
| 10:23.13 | Thrae | theoddone33: Yes. |
| 10:23.21 | theoddone33 | ok then I'm all for your suggestion! |
| 10:23.27 | theoddone33 | as a user |
| 10:24.03 | Thrae | All I'm asking for is two things. a) files.wowace.com + WAU support for /tags. b) Easier way to lock projects I don't want people messing with. |
| 10:24.15 | art3mis | got i hate taking lunesta |
| 10:24.58 | theoddone33 | art3mis: I remember someone telling me that they did some seriously funny stuff on lunetsa |
| 10:25.08 | theoddone33 | and didn't remember it later |
| 10:25.22 | art3mis | lunesta int that bad actually |
| 10:25.31 | Thrae | art3mis: I use Google SVN just because of that ;) And keep my projects on Wowace SVN locked, only update for releases |
| 10:25.38 | art3mis | it makes you drowsy and you can focus on things long enough for your brain to keep you awake |
| 10:25.46 | cryogen | ~seen Adirelle |
| 10:26.08 | purl | adirelle <n=gperreal@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 18m 24s ago, saying: 'anyway, gonna play a little :p'. |
| 10:26.08 | art3mis | ambein on the other had is as lost of rx crack as you'll find ;P |
| 10:26.08 | art3mis | close |
| 10:26.15 | Thrae | 06:09 < Adirelle> anyway, gonna play a little :p |
| 10:26.23 | sylvanaar | I like other people to add to stuff i write |
| 10:26.24 | Thrae | Damn, I could not outspeed the purl |
| 10:26.32 | art3mis | asa sleep aid lunesta works amazing |
| 10:26.38 | theoddone33 | I hate that it's 3:30am and I'm still 70k from leveling |
| 10:26.44 | art3mis | and its non narcotic/addictive |
| 10:27.08 | Thrae | sylvanaar: That's your perrogative. Choices are nice. |
| 10:27.14 | art3mis | and even if you eat the whole bottle it doesnt actually effect you more than a single pill does |
| 10:27.22 | art3mis | but the taste is god awful |
| 10:27.24 | sylvanaar | i prefer xanax |
| 10:27.40 | art3mis | i like non addicitive medicines ;P |
| 10:27.47 | art3mis | for sleeping anyways |
| 10:27.49 | binder | so I'm in an AV and someone asks how people are not going afk in the cave |
| 10:27.54 | art3mis | demoral for pain though |
| 10:27.56 | binder | and someone says it's a mod |
| 10:27.59 | art3mis | mmmmmmmm i love demoral |
| 10:28.18 | binder | and some other guy is like yea, you can get it from wowace.com |
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| 10:28.57 | art3mis | technically he's right |
| 10:29.02 | art3mis | its a wowace mod |
| 10:29.25 | art3mis | the aprt they dont tell you is that you need a bobber bird to peck at the stand/sit key to keep you active |
| 10:30.04 | art3mis | was playing bladurs gate 2 al night |
| 10:30.13 | art3mis | i had fergotten how fu it actually was |
| 10:30.24 | art3mis | i think i need to get my psp modded again |
| 10:30.47 | Strigoi | ckknight I also wonderring if DogTags work with Parrot yet, for example [IsGreater(500):Ammount] seems to not work right now |
| 10:31.04 | art3mis | of course not |
| 10:31.08 | art3mis | its a parrot |
| 10:31.13 | art3mis | you'd need parrot tags |
| 10:31.21 | ckknight | no, it won't |
| 10:31.23 | ckknight | the tag system is very simplistic |
| 10:31.25 | ckknight | not like DogTag |
| 10:31.36 | art3mis | the only way pitbull and parrot play nice together is the the Pirate addon ;P |
| 10:31.37 | Strigoi | oki hmm |
| 10:31.53 | Thrae | Pirates have PitBulls? |
| 10:32.00 | art3mis | and the supporting libe for Pirate is EyePath and PegLeg |
| 10:32.07 | Thrae | Pirates have NINJA PitBulls. |
| 10:32.09 | art3mis | the good ones do ;P |
| 10:32.19 | sylvanaar | ok so now, to write a dogtag mod for prat, or make libraries out of some of prats functions, or a whobot? cant decide |
| 10:32.36 | art3mis | a whobot? |
| 10:32.36 | Thrae | And Ninja Pirates have Golden Retreivers. |
| 10:33.02 | art3mis | cuz yer first two ideas dont seem nearly as fun for me ;P |
| 10:33.04 | sylvanaar | does a who on everyone in the channel |
| 10:33.20 | CIA-22 | 03vincent * r43204 10WeaponRebuff/ (6 files): |
| 10:33.20 | CIA-22 | WeaponRebuff: |
| 10:33.20 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.21 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Can Prat use more then 50% of DogTag's tags? A lot of them are unit based... |
| 10:33.22 | art3mis | why in gods name would you wanna do that? |
| 10:33.35 | sylvanaar | if you are grouped with them |
| 10:34.09 | Thrae | Yeah, but I can't think of anyone who wants to know what the threat of the person talking is, etc. |
| 10:34.56 | sylvanaar | no, but they might like to know what zone hes in, or if hes dead or alive |
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| 10:35.03 | Thrae | Does Prat still keep all its modules inside the main addon, using a LoD script to make them all separate addons? |
| 10:35.26 | Thrae | True, but I believe in only using a library when you can use at least 80% of its functionality. |
| 10:35.39 | sylvanaar | all the modules are in one LoD addon separate from prat |
| 10:35.57 | Thrae | If you just need a few things, take it out of the library |
| 10:36.04 | art3mis | so prat isnt a huge bloated piece of ckk coding? |
| 10:36.20 | art3mis | with 15 serperate neme in the addon list? |
| 10:36.25 | art3mis | names |
| 10:36.31 | ckknight | no, that's sylvanaar's |
| 10:36.38 | ckknight | it's got like hundreds of modules |
| 10:36.46 | art3mis | hehe read it again ;P |
| 10:36.59 | ckknight | :-P |
| 10:37.07 | art3mis | i'd love "hidden" support addons |
| 10:37.19 | art3mis | like say for cart |
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| 10:37.28 | Thrae | sylvanaar: I've been favouring a "Stage1", "Stage2", "Stag3" approach recently for modules -- Most useful features, Semi-Useful Features, Everything else |
| 10:37.29 | ckknight | ? |
| 10:37.44 | sylvanaar | its got 30+ modules, it uses a pseudo-lod technique |
| 10:37.49 | art3mis | it lists cart and the hoerover shows a little winder of what the "package" comatins |
| 10:37.53 | Thrae | sylvanaar: You can still let people make the modules LoD, but its far, far easier on the user |
| 10:38.14 | art3mis | so that in the startup addons list you dont ahve a slew of cartXXXXXX listings |
| 10:38.25 | Fisker- | :O? |
| 10:38.31 | sylvanaar | Prat has 4 when its split apart |
| 10:38.52 | Thrae | Yeah, I'm saying the default should be to be split apart |
| 10:39.37 | sylvanaar | actually only needs the 2 AutoLoD modules in retrospec i could have left the module lua code in the prat folder |
| 10:39.37 | art3mis | sylvanaar: you should make yer prat menu all pertty n stuff like cirks chat manager ;P |
| 10:40.01 | Thrae | Why do you have -two- AutoLoD modules? |
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| 10:40.10 | art3mis | with ticks and toggles in a window that doesnt vanish if yer fubar moves ;P |
| 10:40.11 | sylvanaar | 2 stage loading |
| 10:40.30 | Fisker- | or else |
| 10:40.35 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Is this magic just for AddonLoader / ACP? |
| 10:40.36 | sylvanaar | might only need 1 |
| 10:41.01 | Thrae | I don't see why you would need 2, unless you're putting logic of what should get loading when in one of them |
| 10:41.03 | Fisker- | if i setup sshd without a listen address will it then listen on every interface? |
| 10:41.06 | art3mis | you do know its gonna bet to the point where there will be like 6 ace addons |
| 10:41.12 | Thrae | Fisker-: Yes |
| 10:41.16 | Fisker- | ok |
| 10:41.21 | art3mis | 1.dmaage meters and dramage type thingy merged with omen |
| 10:41.23 | Fisker- | hope this works this time then |
| 10:41.34 | Thrae | Fisker-: Its also very clearly documented in man sshd |
| 10:41.38 | art3mis | 2. chat that interfaces with unitframes |
| 10:41.59 | Thrae | art3mis: That's not how to hyperbole! |
| 10:42.00 | art3mis | 3. frames for everything that backward modify and display logs |
| 10:42.01 | sylvanaar | it basically nils out the modules you dont use - but you still need to be able to load them |
| 10:42.23 | art3mis | 4. a crafting mod that does ALL crafting stuff of the 15 other addons |
| 10:42.28 | Fisker- | thought mans only covered the commands |
| 10:42.31 | art3mis | 5. a rogue addon |
| 10:42.41 | Thrae | Real hyperbole is this -- "Eventually, all of the Ace addons will become one library, and one addon which uses this library. The addon has only one line, Ace:DoEverything()". |
| 10:42.49 | Fisker- | 6. A GM Ticket addon |
| 10:42.55 | art3mis | 6. a map addon with built in quest runner |
| 10:43.04 | art3mis | thats it |
| 10:43.10 | Thrae | Fisker-: I already made that, albiet for 1.x :D |
| 10:43.15 | Fisker- | :( |
| 10:43.23 | Thrae | It was like 10 lines of code |
| 10:43.49 | sylvanaar | art3mis have you actually tried out the chat/unitframe thing yet? |
| 10:44.05 | Fisker- | 10 lines? :o |
| 10:44.06 | Thrae | sylvanaar: OK, no offense, but that's kinda silly. If the modules are already wrapped up in a function which creates other functions, the overhead is probably be bigger making another module which nils them out. |
| 10:44.13 | art3mis | nope im kind of allergic to the two addons that yer doing it with |
| 10:44.31 | Thrae | Fisker-: It focused -just- on reporting bugs, name violations, and harrasment through a slash command interface |
| 10:44.32 | art3mis | prat and pitbull ;) |
| 10:44.42 | Fisker- | ah |
| 10:44.55 | Fisker- | what i was thinking about was removing the frame itself and replacing it with a fubar plugin |
| 10:45.02 | Fisker- | but not even nymbia wants to do it :( |
| 10:45.13 | art3mis | and im not complainign towards the obessive work you and ckk do |
| 10:45.17 | Fisker- | and we all know how easy nymbia is |
| 10:45.23 | sylvanaar | Thrae i was just giving you the concept not the implementation |
| 10:45.28 | Thrae | sylvanaar: The code is still going to be in memory as the file is still in memory, and the strings are still going to be on the string pool (if initialized). There's no way to get around that. |
| 10:45.34 | art3mis | i just think that at some points its all gonna get merged ito a few sinlge catchalls |
| 10:45.39 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Ah, then I apologize for my misunderstanding. |
| 10:46.22 | sylvanaar | the code gets parsed, but the first line in the file returns so nothing runs |
| 10:46.35 | sylvanaar | you can see the effect in the profiler |
| 10:48.11 | Thrae | sylvanaar: That's basically the same as 1 function creating all the other functions and initializing local space. |
| 10:48.23 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 10:48.40 | ckknight | but the 1 function is destroyed right after |
| 10:48.45 | ckknight | well, garbaged |
| 10:48.48 | sylvanaar | yep |
| 10:48.53 | ckknight | destroyed on GC |
| 10:49.00 | ckknight | which occurs on PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 10:49.29 | sylvanaar | and i make sure to gc anyways just in case |
| 10:49.30 | ckknight | minimally |
| 10:49.41 | Fisker- | DOH |
| 10:49.52 | Fisker- | i just finished installing gentoo |
| 10:49.56 | Fisker- | forgot to setup my network |
| 10:50.03 | Thrae | Yeah, I nil out single-use functions at the end of the function. |
| 10:50.37 | Thrae | Seriously though, that saves a trivial amount of space. |
| 10:51.23 | Kuja^ | hm cool, i just broke the addon with my translation and don't know why.. :/ |
| 10:51.24 | Neebler | ok wow... just... damn. I'm playing my friends warrior who had deep thunder |
| 10:51.34 | Neebler | and now I know what its like to be overpowered/feared |
| 10:51.41 | Neebler | people run from me. mass groups of people |
| 10:51.49 | Thrae | Kuja^: If you updated it to SVN, please revert ^^; |
| 10:51.50 | sylvanaar | i forget i think prats modules use 800k if they are all loaded and prats core is 400k |
| 10:52.25 | Kuja^ | Thrae: i don't have an svn account (yet) |
| 10:52.41 | Thrae | sylvanaar: That's a huge core, does it do anything except decide which modules to load? |
| 10:52.51 | sylvanaar | yes it does |
| 10:53.09 | Thrae | Even a centralized framework for the modules, wow. |
| 10:54.07 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Anyway, even if the -code- for the module is loaded, it shouldn't be initializing anything so I don't see why it should jump up to 800k (k or K?) unless you're talking about when all the modules are loaded into memory through LoD. |
| 10:54.59 | Fisker- | omg |
| 10:55.01 | Fisker- | it started up |
| 10:55.22 | theoddone33 | Fisker-: were you the guy from denmark? |
| 10:55.37 | Thrae | sylvanaar: And are you including the libs in that assessment of how big both of 'em are? |
| 10:55.57 | sylvanaar | No, why should I |
| 10:57.34 | sylvanaar | i run all libraries standalone |
| 10:57.35 | Fisker- | theoddone33 yeah |
| 10:57.50 | theoddone33 | Fisker-: I was just wondering if "opbrud" was a word |
| 10:57.53 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Well, let's say 10 modules use 2 parts of Ace2, and 10 modules use all of Ace2, and 5 modules use + 1 lib, and 5 modules use +3 libs. |
| 10:57.57 | theoddone33 | it was the title of a film I watched last night |
| 10:58.10 | Fisker- | op and brud is |
| 10:58.21 | Fisker- | but never seen it together |
| 10:58.39 | theoddone33 | hm alright |
| 10:58.45 | theoddone33 | play on words maybe? |
| 10:58.49 | Thrae | sylvanaar: For instance, you were thinking of adding DogTag support in the form of a module. But if the user only has your addon which uses DogTag, then roughly, your addon's resource usage overall has been increased by the resource usage of DogTag itself. |
| 10:58.51 | Fisker- | just looked it up |
| 10:59.00 | Fisker- | It's another word for "departure" |
| 10:59.04 | Fisker- | or afgang in danish |
| 10:59.08 | theoddone33 | hm, ok |
| 10:59.38 | sylvanaar | I prolly wont embed it, it'll be optional like Glory-2.0 is |
| 10:59.39 | theoddone33 | the biggest problem with the film was that 80% of it was in languages I didn't understand |
| 11:00.06 | Thrae | Embedded, Standalone, Dependency, its all a factor for your addon's resource usage. Not to mention all libraries, eventually, somehow, have to retain a copy of which addons are using it, so its resource usage increases, if not by a tiny bit. |
| 11:00.24 | Thrae | Prat may not be the best example, I just wanted to make that point. |
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| 11:01.37 | sylvanaar | Most prat modules dont have special dependancies, if they do, it's make sense to place them in their own addon |
| 11:03.55 | Thrae | sylvanaar: With my current design on TinyTip, I've been liking Core (most used features, no database) <-> ModuleCore (Database, Options support w/ built-in slash commands) <- OfficialModulePack, OptionsGUI, Third-Party Modules |
| 11:04.25 | Thrae | Oh, note the Core also uses no Framework. |
| 11:05.06 | Thrae | Actually, I wouldn't call it the Core. I'd call it the BasicModule. |
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| 11:07.14 | sylvanaar | Prat by itself just hooks the chat messages and turns them into aceevents, and provides common services to modules, like pattern matching, hyperling handling, and options menu setup |
| 11:08.07 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Right, I separated that out into Very Basic Non-Magic Module ("TinyTip"), and Magic Module w/ Services ("TinyTipModuleCore"), etc. |
| 11:08.42 | sylvanaar | yeah, i have thought about doing that, but what's the gain? |
| 11:09.41 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Depends on how you code it. It should shave off at least 300K from Prat itself. Some code may be duplicated in functionality, but only a trivial amount. |
| 11:09.59 | CIA-22 | 03benumbed * r43205 10Sphere/ (. embeds.xml): Sphere: - Added DogTag |
| 11:10.41 | theoddone33 | leveling is so painful now that I feel like saying DING every time I finally do it |
| 11:11.02 | Thrae | sylvanaar: The real reason I have it setup this way is because when you do "Magic Things" (like a centralized module framework), you have much bigger and more complex code, meaning more things can go wrong. It's easier on myself and the users splitting it up -- if the ModuleCore goes haywire, they can disable it without losing the key features. |
| 11:11.08 | art3mis | just DING on every mob kill itll make it more fun |
| 11:11.33 | theoddone33 | then run to silvermoon for training and wonder why there are never new spells |
| 11:11.53 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43206 10SimpleSelfRebuff/ (SimpleSelfRebuff.lua SimpleSelfRebuff.toc): SimpleSelfRebuff: now saves per-character buff settings, which makes more sense. |
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| 11:13.22 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Seriously, I think THAT is the real power of LoD and separating out code into separate addons (or "modules"). Using up +300KB of memory or so isn't that big a deal really, if well coded, then that's all just the size of the code and possibly its libraries. |
| 11:13.49 | sylvanaar | Prat's memory footprint is approx the size of its code on disk |
| 11:13.55 | Thrae | It's the KB/s and load time which kills you |
| 11:13.59 | Thrae | Right. |
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| 11:14.55 | Thrae | I'm just saying people shouldn't be concerned how much memory their addon takes up, if that's about how big the code is to start with. But they should be concerned with having a huge addon when most people want 10% of what it offers. |
| 11:15.16 | Thrae | If any of that other 90% breaks, then the users don't even get the 10%. |
| 11:16.51 | sylvanaar | I give them the option of turning of 100% of the modules in-game and those choices can vary per user profile |
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| 11:17.08 | Thrae | Well, I'm talking about the module core itself, "Prat". |
| 11:18.58 | Thrae | Perhaps your users are more varied then mine...I could tell you what I use out of Prat (3 modules). If you did a user poll, you could look at what are the most-needed features from Prat, and take the code from those modules, making them into 1 addon has an opt dep on the module core. |
| 11:19.52 | sylvanaar | yes, you can, or you can just use the autoLoD and get the same result. To you it would look like prat had 3 modules |
| 11:20.44 | Thrae | No, the result would be different. If in the process of loading one of the 30 modules, that module's code has a syntax error, etc., then the entire thing breaks. |
| 11:21.02 | Thrae | s:syntax:syntax/logic: |
| 11:21.58 | sylvanaar | only the module breaks the others work fine |
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| 11:22.20 | Thrae | What happens if the module core and its framework breaks? |
| 11:22.32 | sylvanaar | its a tradeoff |
| 11:23.02 | Thrae | sylvanaar: When initializing modules, do you wrap it up in a pcall? |
| 11:23.09 | sylvanaar | you had Prat v1 which was a maintenance nightmare (well, it was hellish to add features to) |
| 11:23.21 | sylvanaar | it had no core |
| 11:23.25 | Thrae | No, I'm talking about the latest Prat |
| 11:24.05 | sylvanaar | no i dont pcall |
| 11:24.28 | Thrae | So if all 30 modules are in one addon, if one of those 30 modules has a syntax/logic error, then that addon will fail to load, right? |
| 11:24.53 | sylvanaar | no just the module |
| 11:26.03 | Thrae | Perhaps, but it could do nasty things later on, depending on what the problem was. |
| 11:26.30 | Thrae | -Especially- the module framework, since that is very low-level. |
| 11:26.41 | Thrae | But as you said, it's a trade-off. |
| 11:27.32 | sylvanaar | prat modules are very easy to write, and the core has been stable now for a while |
| 11:27.44 | Sirow | When I have the bagnumber and slotnumber of a curtain item (eq. I search an itemname through every bagnumber and every slotnumber), how do i get the slotId of this item? (So I can do GetInventoryItemCooldown("player", slotId)) |
| 11:29.16 | Fisker- | so Thrae know anything about debian? |
| 11:29.16 | Thrae | sylvanaar: Stable is not bugfree. Increased stability without sacrificing performance is a good thing. But as you said, it's a trade-off -- a design trade-off. It'd definately be a pain in the ass for you at this point with Prat, and I'm not saying you should do it. I was just using Prat as an example of a system which might benefit from it, theoretically. |
| 11:30.03 | Thrae | Fisker-: I've made 5 systems w/ Debian, and currently hold 1 Debian Router, 1 Ubuntu (Debian-based) Server, and 1 Ubuntu workstation. Why? |
| 11:30.22 | Fisker- | well i got a rescue system |
| 11:30.25 | Fisker- | i want to know my gateway |
| 11:30.39 | Fisker- | but ifconfig doesn't show it and /etc/network/interfaces is blank |
| 11:30.51 | dodgizzla | route -n? |
| 11:31.05 | dodgizzla | Wait, interfaces is empty, but your on the box via network? |
| 11:31.12 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 11:31.27 | dodgizzla | How did the nic get it's configuration then? :D |
| 11:31.28 | Thrae | Fisker-: You're using a rescue CD? |
| 11:31.37 | Fisker- | dodgizzla i guessed it used dhcp :P |
| 11:31.49 | sylvanaar | the goal with prat was to make it easy to write chat mods - its so easy in fact i wrote a whole lot of em. But i'd say there is alot more code to provide options than there is for anything else |
| 11:31.50 | Fisker- | Thrae i don't know it's an isp-specific rescue mode |
| 11:31.53 | dodgizzla | Hm, I never knew DHCP was a fallback, but funky thing :D |
| 11:32.18 | dodgizzla | Fisker-: Just try route -n as root, it'll show you the routes and the gateways |
| 11:33.10 | Thrae | Fisker-: Do what dodgizzla says |
| 11:33.19 | Fisker- | i did :) |
| 11:33.32 | Fisker- | was putting it my conf |
| 11:33.34 | Thrae | Fisker-: 0.0.0.0 means "all" |
| 11:33.51 | Thrae | IE, anywhere |
| 11:33.51 | Fisker- | but i can see that /var/log has a file called dmesg |
| 11:33.55 | Fisker- | with the kernel starting up |
| 11:34.00 | Fisker- | so now atleast i know my system boots up |
| 11:34.17 | Thrae | Fisker-: dmesg is a script which gives you messages from your syslog |
| 11:34.32 | Thrae | Fisker-: Should be in /bin/dmesg |
| 11:34.44 | Thrae | Wait |
| 11:34.50 | Thrae | I'm wrong, there's also a log file called dmesg |
| 11:35.34 | Fisker- | hope it works now though :P |
| 11:35.39 | Thrae | Right, dmesg is -only- for boot messages, and there's a dmesg program to read the dmesg log file |
| 11:35.42 | Fisker- | Then i can start considering getting raid working |
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| 11:35.59 | Thrae | RAID1 or higher I hope |
| 11:36.05 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 11:36.09 | Thrae | It's really pretty easy |
| 11:36.30 | Thrae | The only hard part is if you have data on the drives |
| 11:36.47 | Fisker- | that's no problem though |
| 11:37.08 | Fisker- | but the guide on the gentoo site isn't really a good step-by-step one :P |
| 11:37.27 | sylvanaar | software raid? |
| 11:37.32 | Fisker- | wasn't until yesterday i found out i had to alter grub to include raidsupport and so on |
| 11:37.35 | Fisker- | yeah sylvanaar |
| 11:38.43 | sylvanaar | well - if you buy a raid card you have the advantage of keeping your data if you change systems, dual boot,etc |
| 11:39.31 | Thrae | sylvanaar: XP has drivers which support Linux software RAID1 read-only to grab data off of it |
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| 11:39.41 | sylvanaar | oh neat |
| 11:40.11 | Thrae | sylvanaar: RAID on Linux is basically a logical volume with magical things happening in the kernel |
| 11:41.07 | Thrae | Linux kernel hackers will probably refute my technical expressions on that |
| 11:41.52 | Thrae | Anyway, a good raid card costs at -least- $100. Anything else IS software raid (IE, "hybrid"), or crap. |
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| 11:42.36 | Thrae | Hybrid cards are not a good idea unless you really, really need one. |
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| 11:42.51 | Fisker- | Jul 8 11:36:30 server rc-scripts: network interface eth0 does not exist <-crap |
| 11:42.59 | Fisker- | have to recompile :P |
| 11:43.14 | Thrae | Fisker-: What are you compiling? |
| 11:43.14 | Fisker- | close though |
| 11:43.15 | Fisker- | the kernel |
| 11:43.22 | Fisker- | forgot the ethernet driver |
| 11:43.27 | Thrae | Why are you compiling the kernel? I thought you were using Debian. |
| 11:43.39 | sylvanaar | vhaarr said that noone compiles kernels anymore |
| 11:44.01 | Fisker- | Thrae as a rescue system to install gentoo :P |
| 11:44.07 | Thrae | Debian is a package-based distro. I had a huge number of pre-compiled kernels. |
| 11:44.35 | Thrae | Fisker-: Why not just install Knoppix then? That's what Knoppix is built for -- Rescue CDs |
| 11:44.44 | Thrae | Or, Linux-On-A-CD |
| 11:45.07 | Fisker- | i don't have physical access to the machine |
| 11:45.41 | Thrae | You don't have to inst--wait, how are you ssh'ing into it if it doesn't have an OS? |
| 11:45.52 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 11:45.56 | sylvanaar | im curious too |
| 11:46.07 | Fisker- | the place i have it hosted apparently have some system to netboot it into a rescue image they have on the network |
| 11:46.10 | Fisker- | i.e. i have no idea |
| 11:46.11 | Fisker- | but they do |
| 11:46.19 | sylvanaar | oh it have a boot rom? |
| 11:46.25 | Fisker- | something like that |
| 11:46.29 | Fisker- | it's german i have no idea :P |
| 11:46.33 | Thrae | OK, so Knoppix doesn't have to be installed from a CD |
| 11:47.06 | Thrae | But Knoppix is based around having lots of rescue tools and stuff people might want. |
| 11:47.17 | Fisker- | i like running into a wall |
| 11:47.18 | Thrae | s:stuff:such stuff: |
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| 11:47.37 | Fisker- | it's / :o |
| 11:47.49 | Thrae | Fisker-: I noticed that when you said "I'm installing Gentoo" |
| 11:47.58 | Thrae | Fisker-: What? |
| 11:48.03 | Fisker- | s/ |
| 11:48.04 | Fisker- | :P |
| 11:48.09 | Thrae | Fisker-: man sed |
| 11:48.28 | Thrae | sed can use any delimiter inbetween declarations |
| 11:48.34 | Thrae | is just arbitrary |
| 11:48.40 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.42 | Fisker- | yeah but purl doesn't do : |
| 11:48.52 | Thrae | I know, I didn't want the extra spam |
| 11:48.56 | Fisker- | ah |
| 11:49.04 | Fisker- | but it's cool toying with purl |
| 11:49.21 | Thrae | purl: Stop the spam! |
| 11:49.22 | purl | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops the spam! |
| 11:49.50 | Fisker- | btw know of any utility to test the memory i have on my server? |
| 11:49.55 | Fisker- | not test it but show how much i have |
| 11:50.03 | Thrae | Fisker-: mem |
| 11:50.19 | Thrae | Wait, that's DOS |
| 11:50.26 | Thrae | Top can show it |
| 11:50.35 | CIA-22 | 03adirelle * r43207 10SimpleSelfRebuff/SimpleSelfRebuff.lua: |
| 11:50.35 | CIA-22 | SimpleSelfRebuff: |
| 11:50.35 | CIA-22 | - early initialization of category content, |
| 11:50.35 | CIA-22 | - brought Waterfall option back. |
| 11:50.38 | Thrae | Oh, now I remember |
| 11:50.41 | Thrae | Fisker-: free |
| 11:50.54 | Fisker- | a shame |
| 11:51.16 | Fisker- | i have a better cpu than i'm supposed to have |
| 11:51.37 | Thrae | free is the actual command just for memory, like df is for disks |
| 11:52.07 | Thrae | Maybe you've accidentially hacked into someone else's server! |
| 11:52.11 | Fisker- | yeah!§ |
| 11:52.22 | dodgizzla | Fisker-: Remote checking of ram is kinda troublesome.. there is some tool that could do it, but don't remember the name and don't have it installed atm :D |
| 11:52.23 | Fisker- | gonna be pissed when they see i took down their server |
| 11:52.35 | Fisker- | dodgizzla it was only the size :P |
| 11:52.36 | dodgizzla | Just curious, what's your iso? |
| 11:52.41 | dodgizzla | Fisker-: cat /proc/meminfo :P |
| 11:52.42 | Fisker- | iso? :O |
| 11:52.47 | dodgizzla | erp |
| 11:52.50 | dodgizzla | isp I meant |
| 11:52.58 | Fisker- | hetzner.de |
| 11:53.01 | Thrae | dodgizzla: What do you mean? Memtest86 has a Linux bin |
| 11:53.04 | dodgizzla | w00t I'm there too |
| 11:53.18 | Fisker- | that's a shame |
| 11:53.26 | dodgizzla | Thrae: Yeah but you probably need to boot into memtest and that could be troublesome remotely :D |
| 11:53.35 | Thrae | I don't think so -- lemme check |
| 11:54.00 | dodgizzla | How else could you write arbitrary stuff into RAM and read it back without touching where your OS puts stuff? :D |
| 11:54.07 | Fisker- | brb |
| 11:54.24 | Thrae | dodgizzla: Uhh, it could just not touch that part? Anyway, you're right as far as Debian packages go |
| 11:54.47 | binder | did they change it so BC enchants can only be used on level 35+ items instead of ilevel 35 items? |
| 11:55.45 | dodgizzla | Thrae: Yeah that's what I meant; there is a command line tool that would just write into memory where applications could write. But that way you cannot test all of your memory |
| 11:56.00 | dodgizzla | binder: Yep |
| 11:56.12 | binder | I guess I missed that in one of the patch notes |
| 11:56.38 | dodgizzla | There was a big uproar because some enchants did not work anymore on items below that level and people already spent a fortune to get them :o |
| 11:56.43 | Fisker- | e1000 133056 0 |
| 11:56.44 | Fisker- | arcnet 15704 0 |
| 11:56.50 | Fisker- | e1000 is my ethernet right_ |
| 11:56.51 | Fisker- | ? |
| 11:57.07 | binder | oh really |
| 11:57.33 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 11:57.35 | Tornhoof | yes fisker |
| 11:57.37 | binder | what about lv29's that had that leather chestpiece from STV? |
| 11:57.39 | Tornhoof | e1000 is your eternet |
| 11:57.44 | binder | and quest items |
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| 11:58.04 | binder | must use ilevel for quest items |
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| 11:58.23 | Thrae | Fisker-: e1000 is an Intel brand ethernet adapter |
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| 11:58.48 | Fisker- | that's kind of a problem then |
| 11:59.00 | Fisker- | cause it was compiled with intel pro/1000 ethernet support |
| 11:59.08 | Thrae | binder: boo-hoo to the twinks |
| 11:59.18 | Thrae | Fisker-: e1000 is Pro/1000 |
| 11:59.53 | binder | yea that's fine |
| 12:00.03 | binder | I'm just curious if the enchants like showed up in red or something |
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| 12:00.27 | Fisker- | Jul 8 11:36:30 server rc-scripts: network interface eth0 does not exist |
| 12:00.27 | Fisker- | Jul 8 11:36:30 server rc-scripts: Please verify hardware or kernel module (driver) |
| 12:00.32 | Fisker- | :o |
| 12:00.41 | binder | insmod eepro |
| 12:00.43 | binder | lol |
| 12:00.51 | Tornhoof | modprobe e1000 |
| 12:01.01 | Tornhoof | eepro was the old afaik bidner |
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| 12:02.08 | Fisker- | i think i screwed something up :O |
| 12:03.07 | Tornhoof | didn't expect less from you fisk ;) |
| 12:03.17 | Fisker- | :( |
| 12:03.31 | Fisker- | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18.5/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 12:03.46 | Fisker- | but my structure is 2.6.20-gentoo-r8 |
| 12:03.50 | Fisker- | not 2.6.18.5 |
| 12:03.57 | CIA-22 | 03borlox * r43208 10FuBar_ReagentFu/ReagentFuLocals-deDE.lua: |
| 12:03.57 | CIA-22 | FuBar_ReagentFu: |
| 12:03.57 | CIA-22 | -updated deDE locale |
| 12:03.59 | Tornhoof | you didn't install the proper kernel i guess |
| 12:04.12 | Mikk | Nuts. Abug more or less singlehandedly restored all of the wiki pages. |
| 12:04.12 | Tornhoof | copied bzImage or similar correctly? |
| 12:04.18 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 12:04.21 | charon | Fisker-: perhaps you're still running a different kernel? or installed the wrong modules? what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 12:04.30 | Fisker- | ah |
| 12:04.42 | Fisker- | Linux rescue 2.6.18.5 #3 |
| 12:04.47 | Fisker- | so it's because i'm chrooted? |
| 12:04.51 | Tornhoof | no |
| 12:04.55 | Fisker- | :o |
| 12:05.17 | Tornhoof | chroot does not change the kernel |
| 12:05.36 | Tornhoof | check grub config and stuff to see if you actually load the correct kernel at all |
| 12:05.56 | Fisker- | it does |
| 12:05.57 | Fisker- | and it boots |
| 12:06.13 | charon | Fisker-: i think uname should mention the kernel that your system is _running_, so that would seem wrong... or right, depending on your POV |
| 12:06.35 | Tornhoof | did you actually compile 2.6.20 |
| 12:06.38 | Tornhoof | or just emerge it? |
| 12:06.40 | charon | from where to where did you chroot? |
| 12:06.42 | Fisker- | compile it |
| 12:06.47 | Tornhoof | did you actually replace your /usr/src/linux link? |
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| 12:07.32 | Fisker- | well i followed the guide as it was, of course taking into effect the different structures and such |
| 12:07.40 | Tornhoof | go to /usr/src |
| 12:07.42 | Tornhoof | ln -al |
| 12:07.46 | Tornhoof | and check the linux link |
| 12:08.01 | charon | Tornhoof: ls -al :) |
| 12:08.07 | Tornhoof | yeah |
| 12:08.15 | Fisker- | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Jul 8 09:56 linux -> linux-2.6.20-gentoo-r8 |
| 12:08.15 | Fisker- | drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 1296 Jul 8 11:57 linux-2.6.20-gentoo-r8 |
| 12:08.21 | Tornhoof | tat's fine |
| 12:08.28 | Tornhoof | +h |
| 12:08.43 | charon | Fisker-: you need to find out why your system boots into a 2.6.18.5 kernel. grub config? what do you mean by chrooted? |
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| 12:09.00 | Tornhoof | did you compile it with make bzImage modules modules_install or something? |
| 12:09.23 | Fisker- | make && make modules_install |
| 12:09.26 | Fisker- | was what i did |
| 12:09.37 | charon | speaking of linux, is anyone here running WoW on linux (wine/cedega)? on an ati radeon mobility, at a sane framerate? |
| 12:09.40 | Fisker- | and then copied bzimage to /boot/kernel-2.6.20-gentoo-r8 |
| 12:09.50 | Fisker- | bzImage of course |
| 12:09.54 | Tornhoof | and changed the grub config? |
| 12:10.11 | Fisker- | yup |
| 12:10.21 | Tornhoof | and you rebooted? |
| 12:10.41 | Fisker- | yes but it doesn't start up with net support |
| 12:10.47 | Fisker- | because it can't find my ethernet |
| 12:11.02 | Tornhoof | and then you rebooted again? |
| 12:11.10 | Tornhoof | to your rescue kernel? |
| 12:11.11 | Mikk | Can some oper perhaps stick http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Rebuilding in the topic? |
| 12:11.16 | Fisker- | Tornhoof not the gentoo one |
| 12:11.23 | Tornhoof | nm, fisk |
| 12:11.24 | Fisker- | i don't have any access to the machine |
| 12:11.31 | Fisker- | other than ssh |
| 12:11.34 | Tornhoof | guess so |
| 12:11.44 | Fisker- | and to get that without net support i have to boot into the isp's rescue mode |
| 12:11.46 | Fisker- | a debian kernel |
| 12:11.48 | Tornhoof | did you add the e1000 driver for module |
| 12:11.51 | Fisker- | or system :o |
| 12:12.03 | Tornhoof | as a module or hard compiled into the kernel? |
| 12:12.13 | Fisker- | hard compiled into the kernel |
| 12:12.23 | Tornhoof | the e1000? |
| 12:12.32 | Fisker- | if it's right that e1000 -> intel pro/1000 |
| 12:12.37 | Tornhoof | ye |
| 12:13.15 | Tornhoof | go to /usr/src/linux and do grep E1000 .config |
| 12:13.51 | Fisker- | CONFIG_E1000=y |
| 12:13.51 | Fisker- | # CONFIG_E1000_NAPI is not set |
| 12:13.51 | Fisker- | # CONFIG_E1000_DISABLE_PACKET_SPLIT is not set |
| 12:14.08 | Tornhoof | hmm i enabled the NAPI extension here |
| 12:14.14 | Tornhoof | for the e1000 |
| 12:15.12 | Tornhoof | but i don't think that makes the driver unusable ;) |
| 12:15.28 | Tornhoof | other idea |
| 12:15.44 | Tornhoof | what does syour /etc/conf.d/net.eth0 say |
| 12:15.46 | Fisker- | so i have to recompile after modifying .config? |
| 12:16.01 | Tornhoof | and did you do rc-update add net.eth0 ? |
| 12:16.04 | Tornhoof | yes fisker |
| 12:16.21 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 12:16.28 | Fisker- | but i only have /etc/conf.d/net |
| 12:16.30 | Fisker- | no net.eth0 |
| 12:16.34 | Tornhoof | yah that's fine |
| 12:16.39 | Tornhoof | different baselayout |
| 12:16.45 | Fisker- | config_eth0=( "88.198.60.19 netmask 255.255.255.224 brd 88.198.60.31" ) |
| 12:16.45 | Fisker- | routes_eth0=( "default via 80.198.60.1" ) |
| 12:17.03 | Tornhoof | hmm |
| 12:17.09 | Tornhoof | i added a modules("ifconfig") to it |
| 12:17.46 | binder | what dist are you using? |
| 12:17.49 | Fisker- | gentoo |
| 12:17.55 | binder | ahh haven't run that one |
| 12:17.59 | Tornhoof | but it should work anyway fisk |
| 12:18.02 | binder | I used to run slackware |
| 12:18.25 | Fisker- | well should i just recompile the kernel then and hope the new config works? |
| 12:18.53 | Tornhoof | ifconfig works in chroot right? |
| 12:19.17 | Fisker- | yup |
| 12:19.37 | Tornhoof | try adding modules("ifconfig") at the top of your /conf.d/net file |
| 12:19.40 | Tornhoof | and recompile |
| 12:19.51 | Tornhoof | i once had the problem that ip-utils didn't do the trick properly |
| 12:19.55 | Tornhoof | and both were installed |
| 12:20.06 | Tornhoof | that's why i have modules("ifconfig") in it |
| 12:20.13 | Tornhoof | so it uses ifconfig instead of ip-utils |
| 12:20.20 | Fisker- | gonna go to grocery store in a moment so bbl |
| 12:20.27 | Fisker- | gonna see if it works when i get back |
| 12:20.31 | Fisker- | thanks for your help :P |
| 12:21.32 | Fisker- | is the second build supposed only to use a couple of minutes? |
| 12:21.55 | Tornhoof | yeh if the time diff() isn't that large |
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| 12:22.02 | Fisker- | nice |
| 12:22.04 | Tornhoof | it should only recompile the necessary new files |
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| 12:34.47 | Saroz | Pitbull_Prat sounds nice |
| 12:34.52 | Saroz | anyone using it? |
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| 12:36.59 | CIA-22 | 03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r43209 10Prat/Refactor/: Prat: Branch to experiment with breaking out some core code |
| 12:37.30 | Fisker- | what is it Saroz? |
| 12:37.57 | Saroz | speech bubbles attached to unit frames |
| 12:38.13 | Fisker- | lol |
| 12:38.15 | sylvanaar | http://derey.home.mindspring.com/wowscrnshot_070707_054023.jpg |
| 12:38.36 | sylvanaar | i did it for fun |
| 12:38.54 | Fisker- | for the lulz imo |
| 12:39.01 | Fisker- | btw how did your imp say that? |
| 12:39.35 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 12:40.36 | sylvanaar | there are certain classes which spend alot of time looking at unit frames |
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| 12:41.20 | Fisker- | that's actually true |
| 12:41.33 | Fisker- | didn't think of it like that :P |
| 12:41.48 | yacoob | that's also wonderful way of clobbering the display for those classess, unless you have a code that puts the chat bubble in the free space |
| 12:41.55 | yacoob | (free space? what's that? I'm playing priest... :) |
| 12:41.57 | Fisker- | Jul 8 12:25:15 server rc-scripts: Configuration not set for eth0 - assuming DHCP |
| 12:41.59 | Fisker- | lol |
| 12:42.08 | Fisker- | gonna go to the grocerystore and bitch about gentoo on the way down |
| 12:42.09 | Fisker- | bbl |
| 12:42.24 | yacoob | Fisker-, well, that's what you get for using gentoo :P |
| 12:43.14 | sylvanaar | its not supposed to be a finished addon, just a prototype to explore the concept |
| 12:44.16 | yacoob | sylvanaar, it's fun idea, yeah. But I shudder thinking about Grid_Prat module :D |
| 12:44.41 | sylvanaar | right, but thats why i made it for pitbull |
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| 12:47.30 | Matrix110 | Could be quite funny if somebody says |
| 12:47.32 | Matrix110 | I need PWF |
| 12:47.58 | Matrix110 | orwell not funny usefull |
| 12:48.17 | sylvanaar | you can turn off the bubbles, there is a hilight that will flash on the portrait also |
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| 12:50.41 | Sirow | sylvanaar: I like that idea :> |
| 12:51.23 | sylvanaar | try it out in a group see how it works for you |
| 12:57.02 | Droolio | is there a stable release of the Ace2 libraries at all? |
| 12:59.58 | Punkie` | are you having stability problems? |
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| 13:00.34 | Droolio | no i'm getting a nice error with the latest AceComm: [2007/07/08 13:53:54-1857-x1]: AceComm-2.0-42001 (Nauticus):2900: SendChatMessage(): Invalid escape code in chat message |
| 13:00.50 | Droolio | i've been testing comms with whispers so far and it's been working sweet |
| 13:01.09 | Droolio | now i'm switching it to custom channel |
| 13:01.47 | Droolio | thing is, the error is intermittend - as my data changes |
| 13:02.30 | Punkie` | then your data could be a problem? |
| 13:03.07 | Spiffy2 | hi, I just attempted to make my addon work with Ace2 libraries and I can't seem to get it to actually load. I followed the WelcomeHome guide, but I don't get a "loaded" message in my chat log.. and the slash commands are not accessible. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 13:03.28 | Droolio | could be! hang on, i'll paste a copy of a table that seems to trigger the bug quite reliably... |
| 13:03.39 | CIA-22 | 03sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r43210 10Prat/Refactor/ (Chat-1.0.lua Debug-1.0.lua Prat.lua): Prat: Pulled out the core's chat mod utility code, and the subsystem debug code |
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| 13:05.22 | sylvanaar | dont you need your data to be encoded properly |
| 13:05.41 | Droolio | http://ace.pastey.net/70477 <- seems to reproduce the bug consistently |
| 13:05.56 | Droolio | and all the strings are memoised |
| 13:06.44 | Droolio | it works perfectly in whispers |
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| 13:07.33 | Punkie` | hmm, i'm not really sure - best to ask ckknight if he is alive right now |
| 13:10.21 | trh | yep.. ckknight is a good choice for acecomm problems =) |
| 13:10.23 | trh | ~seen ckknight |
| 13:10.51 | purl | ckknight is currently on #wowi-lounge (2h 59m 45s) #norganna (2h 59m 45s) #wowace (2h 59m 45s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 2h 21m 21s, last said: 'minimally'. |
| 13:10.53 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Anyone having issues with classtimer? |
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| 13:13.39 | Mikk | Droolio: nice catch! |
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| 13:13.47 | Mikk | and, yeah, you really do want ckknight for that |
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| 13:14.39 | Mikk | Err... is "tell" a valid destination? o.O |
| 13:14.56 | nevcairiel | no its WHISPER |
| 13:15.16 | Gngsk | NiGhTsPiRiT, yeah I had to revert 2 commits because nothing would show up, think something broke in the DB |
| 13:15.43 | Droolio | "tell" is my command string which is memoised :) |
| 13:15.45 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Same problem here. All the buff/debuffs can be cliked, but won't be saved |
| 13:16.24 | Gngsk | what class? |
| 13:16.32 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Warlock |
| 13:16.36 | Mikk | Droolio: ahh |
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| 13:17.21 | Droolio | also the 'since' numbers change depending on when u send the data and i think that's the culprit. coz sometimes it will send ok and sometime not. sometime the receiver will get nil data |
| 13:17.57 | Droolio | but they are simply numbers which i try to round to three decimal places (but lua seems incapable of doing it reliably) |
| 13:18.18 | Mikk | it's IEEE floats that are to blame |
| 13:18.34 | Droolio | ya |
| 13:18.45 | Mikk | 534416.190 for example does not have an exact representation |
| 13:18.53 | Mikk | as you can tell =) |
| 13:18.53 | Droolio | i guess i *could* send the data as a full integer tho hrmm |
| 13:19.06 | Droolio | would AceComm compact it more as an integer? |
| 13:19.13 | Mikk | probably |
| 13:19.44 | Mikk | there's an awful lot of significant bits in 534416.1899999999 |
| 13:19.44 | Droolio | think i'll try that |
| 13:20.23 | Droolio | yea, they're based off GetTime() so only need to be three decimal places |
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| 13:20.45 | Mikk | gogo *1000 and floor |
| 13:21.02 | trh | but still acecomm shouldn't throw the error anyway =) |
| 13:21.19 | Mikk | ofc |
| 13:21.30 | Droolio | i'll see if it does with integers now... |
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| 13:24.31 | Droolio | ok this time - same data - *1000 and floored doesn't generate the error on sender side but receiver is getting a nil table |
| 13:24.59 | Mikk | ebbeh |
| 13:25.14 | Mikk | well.. it's the middle of the bloody night in hawaii |
| 13:25.23 | Mikk | it'll be a while before ckk is alive again |
| 13:25.36 | Droolio | heh, k |
| 13:25.46 | Mikk | (half past three in the morning atm) |
| 13:25.58 | trh | seen a documentary about "hawaii - the lost paradise" on TV last night |
| 13:25.58 | dodgizzla | ckk lives in hawaii? |
| 13:25.58 | trh | looked very nice |
| 13:26.07 | trh | dodgizzla: studys there |
| 13:26.09 | dodgizzla | I see |
| 13:26.18 | dodgizzla | Makes me wonder why I did not go to study there |
| 13:26.39 | trh | i know what kept me from it... *looks at my money bag* ;) |
| 13:26.55 | dodgizzla | People teaching you science stuff with those flower necklaces around their neck |
| 13:27.12 | dodgizzla | trh: Ah you made me remember.. |
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| 13:28.50 | trh | but studying in south germany is pretty nice too :) |
| 13:29.15 | trh | i admit... the weather and beach could be closer.. but we got nice mountains ;) |
| 13:29.27 | trh | and beer... =) |
| 13:30.37 | dodgizzla | Meh, lived in south germany for 25 years now |
| 13:30.58 | dodgizzla | I could use some variety :P |
| 13:31.05 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Gngsk, what is the latest working version? |
| 13:31.25 | trh | dodgizzla: hehe.. i was born/lived until studying in north germany =) |
| 13:31.35 | trh | dodgizzla: in lübeck if you know it :) |
| 13:32.05 | nevcairiel | imho north > south |
| 13:32.06 | dodgizzla | I'm a geographically challenged person :D That is somewhere above Stuttgart, no? :D |
| 13:32.20 | dodgizzla | nevcairiel: Teh lies! |
| 13:32.23 | Chompers | i'm using recount, are there any other stat-meter addons? |
| 13:32.26 | nevcairiel | <- hamburg |
| 13:32.27 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:32.27 | Chompers | besides violaion |
| 13:32.37 | Chompers | *Violation |
| 13:32.37 | trh | dodgizzla: it's where the tasty marzipan comes from ;) |
| 13:32.56 | dodgizzla | Uuuh I don't like marzipan. Anything else I should know? :D |
| 13:33.21 | trh | dodgizzla: err.. uhm... not really ;) |
| 13:33.25 | trh | dodgizzla: it's close to hamburg ;) |
| 13:33.32 | nevcairiel | way north :p |
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| 13:33.49 | trh | nevcairiel: lübeck is east of hamburg =) |
| 13:33.58 | trh | 60km or sth |
| 13:34.12 | nevcairiel | i meant way north of his stuttgart guess :D |
| 13:34.20 | trh | hehe.. ok.. accepting that ;) |
| 13:34.42 | trh | hamburg is nice too... although too big ;) |
| 13:35.12 | nevcairiel | i live somewhat outside .. you dont notice the big city stuff here |
| 13:35.45 | trh | nevcairiel: ah... that's nicer then :) |
| 13:35.48 | dodgizzla | I've been to Berlin a couple of times and Dortmund |
| 13:35.57 | dodgizzla | But not any much further north :> |
| 13:36.11 | trh | dodgizzla: scared of the wikingers? ;) |
| 13:36.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:36.20 | dodgizzla | I was in Idaho in America for some weeks like 8 years ago or so :D |
| 13:36.37 | dodgizzla | trh: I heard there are pirates somewhere even further north :> |
| 13:36.39 | dodgizzla | Sweden or so :D |
| 13:37.05 | trh | dodgizzla: i heard they got a 'bay' and even made a website about it :P |
| 13:37.13 | dodgizzla | Nowai! |
| 13:37.23 | NiGhTsPiRiT | hahaha |
| 13:37.33 | dodgizzla | Amazing what one can do nowadays |
| 13:37.45 | dodgizzla | Wikingers in Germany, Pirates with websites |
| 13:37.48 | dodgizzla | What comes next? |
| 13:37.57 | dodgizzla | Efficient threat meters? |
| 13:38.05 | trh | btw: the honey vine from the vikings is really delicious |
| 13:38.05 | nevcairiel | nah, thats already here |
| 13:38.15 | trh | 'wir saufen den met, bis keiner mehr steht!' ,) |
| 13:38.28 | dodgizzla | nevcairiel: Insanity I tells you! :o |
| 13:38.41 | dodgizzla | trh: Never tried that.. we stick to basic beer here :D |
| 13:38.53 | trh | dodgizzla: you should.. very very tasty stuff :) |
| 13:39.10 | dodgizzla | And sometimes Ouzo, but I'll try to keep my hands off that stuff .o |
| 13:39.22 | NiGhTsPiRiT | hmm, ClassTimer-r43004 doesn't work either? |
| 13:39.31 | Ominous | dosent work? |
| 13:39.37 | Fisker- | ok now it's just getting annoying |
| 13:39.44 | trh | good ice cold ouzo after a visit at the greek restaurant is a must-have |
| 13:39.45 | Fisker- | Jul 8 13:32:45 server r8169: eth0: link up |
| 13:39.46 | NiGhTsPiRiT | doesn't for me |
| 13:40.01 | NiGhTsPiRiT | I would try ClassTimer-r42313, but it's so much back |
| 13:40.11 | dodgizzla | trh: I could get greek food everyday, but I am too lazy to cook :> |
| 13:40.18 | Punkie` | NiGhTsPiRiT: If you are happy to edit your current classtimer.lua I can tell you how to fix it |
| 13:40.28 | trh | dodgizzla: hehe.. you are greek? =) |
| 13:40.37 | NiGhTsPiRiT | hang on *going back to 43007* |
| 13:40.37 | dodgizzla | Indeed, how did you know? :D |
| 13:40.43 | trh | dodgizzla: lucky guess ;) |
| 13:40.56 | Punkie` | :( |
| 13:41.01 | Fisker- | must have more sacrifices for the gentoo gods |
| 13:41.19 | Punkie` | Ominous: are you still here? |
| 13:41.24 | NiGhTsPiRiT | hmm, now I need a real editor instead of notepad ^^ |
| 13:41.34 | trh | NiGhTsPiRiT: notepad++ |
| 13:41.37 | Ominous | Punkie: yea i forgot i know why its not wrking |
| 13:41.39 | Fisker- | vi! |
| 13:41.53 | Punkie` | your revision number hasn't updated |
| 13:41.57 | NiGhTsPiRiT | already on my way there, but ty trh :) |
| 13:42.00 | trh | vi = no support for multiple tabs, therefore not usable as a editor for programming :) |
| 13:42.48 | CIA-22 | 03ominous * r43211 10ClassTimer/ClassTimer.lua: ClassTimer: oops now timers are on by default |
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| 13:43.14 | dodgizzla | Bow lets see how 2 priests do in 2on2 :o |
| 13:43.19 | Punkie` | Ominous: that is a fix to half of the problem |
| 13:43.20 | sylvanaar | ok mikk how's progress on that chat mod you were going to write? /jab |
| 13:43.25 | trh | dodgizzla: shadow? |
| 13:43.25 | dodgizzla | Man.. my typing sucks today |
| 13:43.29 | dodgizzla | trh: Shadow and Discipline :D |
| 13:43.38 | trh | dodgizzla: uh.. face melting |
| 13:43.58 | CIA-22 | 03ominous * r43212 10ClassTimer/ClassTimer.lua: ClassTimer: oops, now it will enable them all again for people who still have them disabled |
| 13:44.02 | Punkie` | Ominous: your revision number isn't updated in the core, therefore when you have done your check to see if you should reset the database it will, because the core shows an old lua |
| 13:44.05 | Fisker- | lets see if gentoo works now that i have sacrificed Punkie` |
| 13:44.10 | Punkie` | revision number** |
| 13:44.13 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Punkie`: classtimer.lua open in Notepad++ |
| 13:44.39 | Ominous | Punkie: it does update |
| 13:44.45 | Punkie` | it damn well doesn't! |
| 13:44.46 | trh | Fisker-: you need to sacrifice a sheep too |
| 13:44.58 | Punkie` | my classtimer.lua said I had an ancient revision number |
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| 13:45.14 | Ominous | :S, odd, mine deffinatly updates |
| 13:45.18 | Fisker- | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1183901713543.jpg |
| 13:45.22 | Fisker- | DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU |
| 13:45.29 | Punkie` | local revision = tonumber(string.match('$Rev: 43007 $', '%d+')) |
| 13:45.40 | Punkie` | using the latest revision before those 2 updates |
| 13:45.40 | Fisker- | what about you trh? |
| 13:46.02 | NiGhTsPiRiT | same here: local revision = tonumber(string.match('$Rev: 43007 $', '%d+')) |
| 13:46.10 | trh | Fisker-: what the hell is that? =) |
| 13:46.40 | Fisker- | nigras an desu |
| 13:46.42 | Fisker- | and* |
| 13:47.34 | Mikk | sylvanaar: sidetracked into baggins and oRA2 hacking :S |
| 13:47.38 | Mikk | (and now wiki restoration >.<) |
| 13:47.58 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Punkie`: how can I fix it? |
| 13:48.28 | Punkie` | go to line 252 |
| 13:48.41 | NiGhTsPiRiT | if not ClassTimerDB.version or ClassTimerDB.version < 42104 then |
| 13:49.03 | Ominous | Punkie: that shouldnt be the newest revision |
| 13:49.22 | Punkie` | delete the lines from 'if not ClassTimerDB.version or ClassTimerDB.version < 42104 then ' to before 'self.Menu.args.BarSettings.args.sticky.args.addSticky = {' |
| 13:49.26 | sylvanaar | Mikk im teasing - but seriously im going to try to pull out all the chatmod code into a lib, but first I have either add to acedebug, or make an acedebug extenstion library |
| 13:49.44 | Fisker- | gentoo is awesome! |
| 13:49.45 | Fisker- | Jul 8 13:45:11 server r8169: eth0: link up |
| 13:49.45 | Fisker- | Jul 8 13:45:14 server sshd[4512]: Server listening on 88.198.60.19 port 22. |
| 13:49.46 | Punkie` | Ominous: the problem is, that check that you are using just decides to delete everything anyway |
| 13:49.50 | Fisker- | And it still doesn't work! |
| 13:49.57 | Punkie` | Fisker-: firewall? |
| 13:50.10 | Fisker- | dunno can't even ping it :o |
| 13:50.18 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Punkie`: 258 become 252? |
| 13:50.21 | trh | Fisker-: physical network connection or firewall |
| 13:50.24 | Ominous | Punkie: no as it updates ClassTimerDB.version to be the current rev so after its run once then it should run again |
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| 13:50.35 | Punkie` | Ominous: in theory yes |
| 13:50.54 | Punkie` | but, even after enabling all my crap, relogging, it just decided to wipe my things again |
| 13:51.34 | Ixan | gah! something happend to prat just now? It killed all my configs |
| 13:51.53 | Punkie` | NiGhTsPiRiT: delete lines 252 to 257 |
| 13:52.03 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Punkie`: done, testing it now |
| 13:52.05 | Punkie` | NiGhTsPiRiT: but anyway, if you update, they will get replaced |
| 13:52.16 | sylvanaar | Mikk can you make ace2 commits? |
| 13:52.39 | NiGhTsPiRiT | I know, but I can fix it now myself untill the update is ok |
| 13:53.24 | Punkie` | Ominous: It still needs CandyBar support ;) |
| 13:53.33 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Punkie`: it works now, ty |
| 13:53.37 | Ominous | its never going to happen |
| 13:53.56 | Punkie` | but your bars don't get recycled |
| 13:54.05 | Gnarfoz | ouch |
| 13:54.11 | Gnarfoz | my face fucking hurts :| |
| 13:54.20 | Ominous | Punkie: they do |
| 13:54.32 | Punkie` | they do?! |
| 13:54.35 | Ominous | yes... |
| 13:54.49 | Punkie` | since the beginning? |
| 13:54.53 | Ominous | yes... |
| 13:55.01 | Punkie` | oh, i must have missed that |
| 13:55.09 | Punkie` | but give the option to turn off the spark :P |
| 13:55.26 | Ominous | 108-141 |
| 13:56.02 | Dhraga | Question regarding dropdown clickable tooltips from the FuBar... I have several Ace addons (about 102 I think) All is keept updated daily but I still have a slight problem with the clickable tooltip, ex. Ora2 Maintank menus, GuildFu & FriendsFu... Often the click is not registered, and sometimes a spammable clicking on the tooltips can work, ex setting main tanks in ora2, but most of the... |
| 13:56.04 | Dhraga | ...time they wont register the click, but no error messages either.... any clues ? |
| 13:56.47 | Punkie` | buy a new mouse? :P |
| 13:57.18 | Dhraga | punkie`: oh a verry nice tip, but totally wrong also :P |
| 13:57.26 | Punkie` | hehe |
| 13:57.29 | Punkie` | well it works for me |
| 13:57.54 | JoshBorke | Dhraga: do you get any errors? |
| 13:58.08 | Dhraga | JoshBorke, No |
| 13:58.33 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Punkie`: it didn't fix my sticky ^^ |
| 13:58.52 | Dhraga | joshborke, the only error I ever get is the KCIFu that tries to call a nil (due to change in the commands of Kci i reccon) |
| 13:59.28 | Mikk | sylvanaar: not really |
| 13:59.39 | Mikk | sylvanaar: i could go and give myself rights on the box, but that ain't right :P |
| 13:59.59 | sylvanaar | Mikk hrm, nah, i guess i'll have to make more libs |
| 14:00.03 | Dhraga | Ill try without the KciFu since it's useless atm anyway.... But the not recognizable tooltip clicks happens even if the kcifu havent provided an error |
| 14:00.15 | Punkie` | NiGhTsPiRiT: I /think/ it works for me, but Ominous just made a commit - he could have fixed things |
| 14:00.24 | Mikk | sylvanaar: what are you thinking of? |
| 14:00.26 | JoshBorke | WE REQUIRE MORE LIBS! |
| 14:00.31 | NiGhTsPiRiT | ok, let's see if it updates now |
| 14:00.35 | Ominous | whats wrong with sticky? |
| 14:00.58 | NiGhTsPiRiT | doesn't show up |
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| 14:01.11 | NiGhTsPiRiT | when I used one of the spells I enable in sticky |
| 14:01.31 | Ominous | sigh odd |
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| 14:01.42 | sylvanaar | Mikk: well, ill just pastey |
| 14:02.15 | dodgizzla | Sticky was also buggy the last time I used it. After some fights it threw an error at me (which I already posted twice) and then all bars stopped working :( |
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| 14:02.42 | NiGhTsPiRiT | All the bars stopped working now without an error, but that should be fixed now :p |
| 14:03.19 | Sirow | pfff, people never lern, there are no bugs, just unknown features. :) |
| 14:04.11 | NiGhTsPiRiT | I want less hidden features then |
| 14:04.14 | sylvanaar | Mikk http://ace.pastey.net/70479 its per-subsystem debugging |
| 14:04.21 | Fin | Ominous: TS? :) |
| 14:04.28 | Ominous | Fin: oki |
| 14:05.40 | NiGhTsPiRiT | 43212 installed |
| 14:06.55 | Mikk | sylvanaar: kinda interesting... otoh i'm thinking that perhaps there should be per-module debugging by more or less default? |
| 14:07.14 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Ominous, sticky is still screwed |
| 14:07.38 | sylvanaar | yeah, there is, but i needed a scope which i could assign arbirtrarily |
| 14:08.44 | Droolio | wooh, i managed to reproduce that AceComm error with no fancy table or of my code - /script Nauticus:SendCommMessage("CUSTOM", "Nauticus", 37877649) |
| 14:08.50 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Ominous: It works for Siphon life, but not for Howl of terror (tested a little) |
| 14:08.50 | sylvanaar | Mikk works by defining stuff like local function DBG_PATTERN(...) DBG:Debug("PATTERN", ...) end |
| 14:08.51 | Droolio | anyone able to test that? |
| 14:09.00 | Droolio | it doesn't like the number |
| 14:09.37 | Mikk | that's a bloody random number to error out on |
| 14:10.05 | trh | the serialization function is probably borked :( |
| 14:10.13 | Mikk | ya |
| 14:10.19 | Droolio | if i change the number to 378776495, it works |
| 14:10.22 | Ominous | NiGhTsPiRiT, you have to target the mob first |
| 14:10.38 | NiGhTsPiRiT | Ominous, nevermind my crap... and set up a VERY BIG noob alert on me plz |
| 14:10.40 | Mikk | Droolio: you're getting errors senderside with that? |
| 14:10.44 | Droolio | if i change it to 378776.495, it generates an nil value on the receiving end |
| 14:10.51 | Droolio | it depends on the number :) |
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| 14:11.15 | Droolio | but 37877649 gives Invalid espape code error on sender |
| 14:11.34 | Mikk | yoiks |
| 14:12.00 | CIA-22 | 03andalia * r43213 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: |
| 14:12.00 | CIA-22 | Babble-2.2 (Spell) |
| 14:12.00 | CIA-22 | Fixed 2 Spellicons: |
| 14:12.00 | CIA-22 | "Spell_Holy_PainSuppression" -> "Spell_Holy_PainSupression" |
| 14:12.00 | CIA-22 | "Spell_Holy_PrayerOfMending" -> "Spell_Holy_PrayerOfMendingtga" |
| 14:12.01 | CIA-22 | lol @ blizz -.- |
| 14:12.29 | trh | i guess we should develop some intensive unit tests for the "core" libraries :/ |
| 14:12.31 | sylvanaar | allright anyone have debug and or utility code that needs a home? looks like im going to make 2 new libraries |
| 14:12.52 | sylvanaar | + the one im actually making |
| 14:13.07 | Mikk | sylvanaar: tbh, branch AceDebug and work it in there? |
| 14:13.33 | Trancer | anyone knows an equivalent of fubar_moneyfu that doesn't require fubar? |
| 14:13.56 | Mikk | erm. where would you want the info to be displayed? |
| 14:13.56 | sylvanaar | no fubar plugin actually requires fubar |
| 14:14.16 | Trancer | Mikk: just .. somewhere, if needed after /moneytotal |
| 14:14.22 | Mikk | sylvanaar: actually there's a whole bunch that has Dependencies: Fubar |
| 14:14.32 | sylvanaar | thats so they get loaded |
| 14:14.37 | Trancer | lets check moneyfu then |
| 14:14.39 | sylvanaar | you can just take that out |
| 14:14.55 | NiGhTsPiRiT | ## OptionalDeps: Ace2, FuBar |
| 14:15.13 | Mikk | sylvanaar: well yeah, but from user's points of view, that means "requires fubar" |
| 14:15.15 | sylvanaar | fubar used to check for a dependancy on itself + LOD |
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| 14:15.23 | Mikk | yeah still does |
| 14:15.40 | sylvanaar | it does something new |
| 14:15.56 | Mikk | and now it also checks for X-Fubar-Dependency:1 so it can work with LoadManagers: Fubar |
| 14:15.56 | sylvanaar | theres another field you can use i think |
| 14:16.06 | Mikk | (don't quote me on the exact spelling tho) |
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| 14:16.28 | Mikk | It's a bit silly that we can't look at the LoadManagers field tho if you ask me :S |
| 14:16.32 | Trancer | indeed, moneyfu just works from the tooltip, nice |
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| 14:17.25 | sylvanaar | I got the beatdown from Iriel for my critcisms of the LoadManagers field dont get me started lol |
| 14:17.56 | Mikk | i still think you got the wrong idea of how to use loadmanagers >:< |
| 14:18.03 | Mikk | just LoadManagers: AddonLoader & win |
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| 14:19.41 | sylvanaar | Prat doesnt need conditional loading - manual is just fine, so in that case lm:ace2 lw:ace2 makes more sense |
| 14:20.35 | Trancer | it's confusing stuff like that is called Fubar_MoneyFU |
| 14:21.43 | sylvanaar | Mikk what you really need is something in ace2 where you can set LoadManagers as "the" load manager |
| 14:22.46 | CIA-22 | 03roartindon * r43214 10Assessment/ (Extras/BigWigs.lua Modules/Damage.lua): |
| 14:22.46 | CIA-22 | Assessment |
| 14:22.46 | CIA-22 | - Boss kills record date/time |
| 14:22.46 | CIA-22 | - Damage - removed a tag component that always evaluated to empty |
| 14:24.10 | Mikk | sylvanaar: except prat would benefit just fine from delayed loading in addonloader imo |
| 14:24.25 | Mikk | faster startup and all that |
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| 14:25.21 | Zicon | Faster startup FTW. |
| 14:25.33 | Gnarfoz | [Ammo]: http://ace.pastey.net/70481 :| |
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| 14:25.55 | kaiden | morning folks |
| 14:26.14 | Fin | morning kaiden |
| 14:26.19 | sylvanaar | Mikk not arguing with that just think it makes sense to have ace2 in the LoadManagers toc field |
| 14:26.30 | CIA-22 | 03andalia * r43215 10BattleChat/ (BattleChat.lua BattleChat.toc embeds.xml libs/): |
| 14:26.30 | CIA-22 | BattleChat: |
| 14:26.30 | CIA-22 | - toc update |
| 14:26.30 | CIA-22 | - use embeds.xml |
| 14:26.30 | CIA-22 | - some minor stuff |
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| 14:30.18 | sylvanaar | Mikk it could load the real load manager if it was there, else, it could provide a minimal stub that way its consistant |
| 14:31.06 | sylvanaar | Mikk the actual loadmanager is ##LoadWith |
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| 14:34.23 | Mikk | but having "LoadManagers:AddonLoader,Ace2" and "LoadWith:Ace2" means that AddonLoader is useless |
| 14:34.28 | Mikk | it'll always load |
| 14:34.58 | sylvanaar | you have to use LoadWith:Ace2 because there is no minimal stub |
| 14:36.30 | Mikk | well.. i'll just agree to disagree i think. i see your point that "ace2 is always there". i just don't think the core libraries should be a loadmanager. if nothing else since so many run embedded. |
| 14:38.14 | sylvanaar | Mikk like i said - they could delegate the actual addon loading work to another addon |
| 14:38.40 | Mikk | but then ace2 needs to know about the other load managers |
| 14:39.22 | sylvanaar | Mikk yeah - thats not a bad thing really |
| 14:39.58 | Mikk | smells like a layer violation to me :S |
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| 14:40.22 | Mikk | also keep in mind that said other loadmanager doesn't even have to be ace |
| 14:41.18 | Droolio | just did some more tests - looks like whisper and raid distribution methods work just fine. it's only the custom channel where number serialisation seems to be b0rked... will be prodding ck when he wakes up :) |
| 14:41.30 | sylvanaar | Mikk its an abstraction layer |
| 14:42.10 | Mikk | to make ace2+somethingelse work as load managers, you need |
| 14:42.16 | Mikk | 1. a loader stub in ace2 |
| 14:42.30 | Mikk | 2. this stub needs to know about lots of other load managers |
| 14:42.37 | Mikk | 3. it needs to scan toc fields for traces of those load managers |
| 14:42.57 | Mikk | 4. it needs to check the in-game environment for if those load managers are actually loaded |
| 14:43.07 | trh | Droolio: makes sense in some way, whisper/raid distribution work via sendaddonmessage, custom doesnt |
| 14:43.14 | Mikk | 5. how do we even know that said load manager isn't LoD itself and gets pulled in at some later point? |
| 14:43.20 | Droolio | aye |
| 14:43.21 | Moltarain | maybe time to try to get others to follow a line? so you get a mainstream way to do loadmanaging |
| 14:43.39 | Mikk | ^ that's shitloads of logic + demands on keeping up to date that at least I don't feel belong in a core library |
| 14:44.12 | sylvanaar | thats all stuff that goes on in there anyways |
| 14:44.43 | Mikk | keeping a list of toc fields used by N other load manager addons? i think not |
| 14:45.34 | sylvanaar | no, they would just need to have a field ## x-ace2-loadmanger-plugin |
| 14:46.27 | Mikk | takiing three steps back in the discussion though |
| 14:46.31 | Mikk | what's the benefit? |
| 14:47.38 | sylvanaar | every ace addon could do LoadManagers: Ace2 and not worry if there was a load manager installed or not |
| 14:48.11 | Mikk | every ace addon can do LoadManagers: AddonLoader and not worry also |
| 14:48.34 | Mikk | and get the benefit of allowing users that want to to tweak when stuff gets loaded |
| 14:49.40 | Mikk | + it works with embedded libs, which the majority of our users have |
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| 14:54.24 | CIA-22 | BattleChat_Buffs: |
| 14:54.24 | CIA-22 | - toc update |
| 14:54.24 | CIA-22 | - use embeds.xml |
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| 14:55.00 | Mikk | <3 opera and dragging out tabs to the taskbar |
| 14:55.08 | Mikk | ftbloodywin |
| 14:58.20 | Fin | Mikk: such a nice feature, eh |
| 14:58.34 | Fin | I've been using Mozilla / Firefox at work lately, I really miss some of the features in Opera |
| 14:58.53 | trh | Fin: you can almost add anything with addons |
| 14:58.56 | sylvanaar | Mikk the one thing that ace2 could do is load all the loadmanagers which had that toc field which would allow for mutiple loadmanagers handling thier own sets of addons. plus it would eliminate ReloadUI for everyone |
| 14:59.37 | Fin | three things particularly - ctrl+z to reopen the last closed window, shift+z (my custom binding) to duplicate the current window, and the ability to just close the browser and restart in a minute with all the currently loaded windows |
| 15:00.16 | Fin | trh: I use Thunderbird atm, and it's been a nightmare with keeping addons up to date and stuff, some of them keep breaking - so yes, it's possible, it's just nicer and neater (in my humble opinion) with Opera |
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| 15:00.30 | Fin | that was a badly worded comparison |
| 15:00.33 | Fin | I hope you know what I mean |
| 15:00.42 | Mikk | sylvanaar: but that only accomplishes what we already can do |
| 15:00.51 | Mikk | in a much more involved way |
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| 15:01.32 | Mikk | what you're suggesting is basically taking the LoadManagers: interface and reinventing it inside Ace2 for no gain whatsoever |
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| 15:02.09 | Mikk | yes, everyone would need to LoadManagers: AddonLoader or something else before ReloadUI is gone for everyone. But the same is true for LoadManagers: Ace2. |
| 15:02.49 | Fin | godammit I wish people who wrote CAPTCHA libraries would 1) make them case-insensitive and 2) remove all ambiguous characters like I and O from possibly being displayed |
| 15:03.09 | dodgizzla | DogTag question.. Should [Level:ShortClassification] work? because it only returns the level atm :\ |
| 15:03.12 | Mikk | Fin: no shit |
| 15:04.16 | CIA-22 | 03bayi * r43218 10beql/ (beql.toc extra/Changelog.old.txt extra/Changelog.txt): |
| 15:04.16 | CIA-22 | beql: |
| 15:04.16 | CIA-22 | - Changed directory structure |
| 15:04.16 | CIA-22 | - Moved locales to locales/ directory |
| 15:04.17 | CIA-22 | - Changed .toc file |
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| 15:06.42 | sylvanaar | yeah, but make AddonLoader "the" addon loader is going to be harder than getting people to change OptionalDeps: Ace2 to LoadManagers: Ace2 ... im just being pragmatic |
| 15:07.17 | Mikk | that's a flawed assumption |
| 15:07.29 | Mikk | i think the whole discussion has proven that noone wants to LoadManagers: Ace2 |
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| 15:09.07 | sylvanaar | all LoadManagers: ace2 does is toggle the LOD flag on |
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| 15:09.32 | Mikk | _IF_ people run embedded. And you're still ignoring the point that most people don't. |
| 15:09.33 | nevcairiel | but why would we want that ? :P |
| 15:09.33 | voln | Anyone here use BigWigs during the Gruul fight? |
| 15:09.37 | Mikk | err unembedded |
| 15:09.38 | hypetech | i do |
| 15:09.49 | voln | hypetech: have you done Gruul with Bigwigs since the last patch? |
| 15:10.08 | Margus | yeah I use'd it this ID why? |
| 15:10.11 | CIA-22 | 03ammo * r43219 10LockSmith/LockSmith.lua: LockSmith: bugfix |
| 15:10.20 | voln | Any insane UI lag during shatter? |
| 15:10.20 | hypetech | voln: did it Friday |
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| 15:10.38 | sylvanaar | if you run embedded then it would have no effect, and it would use AddonLoader directly |
| 15:10.39 | Mikk | voln: we had someone else in here complaining about that also |
| 15:10.41 | Margus | voln: no I didn't had any problems |
| 15:10.43 | voln | myself and like 10 other people are trying to trace down an issue....When Gruul doesn his Ground Slam + Shatter, my FPS goes from 80 to 5 |
| 15:10.58 | [Ammo] | I haven't had that issue |
| 15:10.59 | hypetech | voln: why is that a bigwigs issue? :p |
| 15:11.01 | voln | Margus: ok good to know |
| 15:11.04 | voln | not saying its a bigwigs issue |
| 15:11.19 | voln | going one addon at a time ;] |
| 15:11.29 | Margus | bit hard to check which addon it is ^^ |
| 15:11.39 | voln | its hard to do as your guild certainly doesnt want you testing things during Gruul |
| 15:11.41 | voln | yeah |
| 15:11.52 | voln | I already eliminated graphics issues |
| 15:11.57 | Margus | wtb [noob raid which wipes on gruul] |
| 15:11.58 | voln | I turned my resolution down to 640x480 |
| 15:12.01 | voln | everything else on low |
| 15:12.05 | voln | still get the horrid lag |
| 15:12.14 | hypetech | what mods do you have enabled in raid? |
| 15:12.15 | Mikk | Random idea: Disable your combat log entirely. |
| 15:12.22 | voln | nikk: done |
| 15:12.33 | voln | sct disabled / ora2 / combatlog / violation / omen |
| 15:12.41 | voln | naturEnemyCastBar |
| 15:12.43 | hypetech | hmm. you do know that you can't move at full speed before shatter right? :p |
| 15:12.48 | voln | yes |
| 15:12.52 | voln | but when your screen freezes |
| 15:12.56 | Mikk | hypetech: he specifically said 5fps |
| 15:13.00 | voln | the speed debuff cant be that bad ;] |
| 15:13.10 | Droolio | have u done Gruul without BigWigs or any addon at all? |
| 15:13.12 | voln | there are a few threads on this issue in the wow tech forums |
| 15:13.22 | voln | Droolio: only thing I havent done yet, will probably do that after the reset |
| 15:13.25 | Droolio | coz i'm willing to bet you'll get the lag effect without anything |
| 15:13.32 | voln | really? |
| 15:13.43 | voln | I already turned my graphics to the absolute minimum |
| 15:13.46 | Droolio | had similar prob during Thaddius and i could only put it down to the hidden addon spam |
| 15:13.47 | voln | it made no difference |
| 15:13.51 | voln | ahhh... |
| 15:14.01 | Mikk | actually, there's one source of CPU crunching that shouldn't be ignored: raid frames |
| 15:14.09 | Droolio | coz u can't stop the incoming messages even if u don't have an addon |
| 15:14.12 | voln | I dont use raid frames so thats not the issue |
| 15:14.19 | voln | I use XRS but I disabled that too |
| 15:14.25 | Mikk | okay |
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| 15:14.39 | voln | I was considering that maybe it was addon channel spam |
| 15:14.41 | Margus | any buff mods? EBB or Buffalo? |
| 15:14.44 | voln | I guess I will find out our next attempt |
| 15:14.49 | voln | yes I use Buffalo, it was NOT disabled |
| 15:14.49 | Josh_Borke | disable all mods? |
| 15:14.53 | Margus | hmm |
| 15:14.56 | voln | Josh_Borke: next run I will turn it all off |
| 15:15.03 | Margus | i got some weird problems with buffalo last time i tried it |
| 15:15.05 | voln | If I get the lag though still I am going to end up wiping the raid |
| 15:15.07 | Mikk | Droolio: but incoming addon messages really don't cause much CPU load when they'er not being delivered anywhere |
| 15:15.17 | voln | I relied on bigwigs timers so I could get in position before Ground Slam |
| 15:15.19 | Margus | my memory usage went from 22 idle to 32 in a few secs |
| 15:15.20 | hypetech | Buffalo does all kinds of weird shit for me |
| 15:15.24 | voln | as when GS + shatter happens, I cant move |
| 15:15.28 | [Ammo] | BigWigs does no addon messages during GS + shatter |
| 15:15.32 | Droolio | there's still a huge amount being transferred to the client during those damage-intensive moments |
| 15:15.35 | [Ammo] | in fact it uses no addon messages at all during Gruul |
| 15:15.36 | voln | [Ammo]: good to know thank you |
| 15:15.37 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:15.48 | Wobin | I can't believe I healed that instance by SWD:Pong |
| 15:15.55 | Trancer | Wobin: any chance you'll implement a "Hide Plugin" feature? |
| 15:15.57 | Wobin | It was kinda entertaining |
| 15:16.00 | Trancer | Wobin: to hide Mr. Plow from the Minimap |
| 15:16.06 | Trancer | (in mr. plow that is, sorry) |
| 15:16.15 | Wobin | Trancer: Probably =) |
| 15:16.29 | Trancer | Great, I could take a look at it.. but my lua knowledge eq nil :-) |
| 15:16.39 | Margus | hmm, i like the plow on my bar :D |
| 15:16.41 | Wobin | It'll be changing anyway |
| 15:16.54 | Wobin | once I figure out this final glitch in the rewrite |
| 15:17.28 | Trancer | Ah |
| 15:17.40 | Trancer | Also would be nice if Plow takes along profession bags |
| 15:17.41 | Trancer | it doesn't atm |
| 15:17.41 | voln | This is a bit much to ask so I dont expect you guys to do this for me....but if those of you that use addons at all and have done Gruul's ok with no lag, I would be interested in seeing your addon list |
| 15:17.50 | Trancer | it treats them as a seperate bag system or so |
| 15:17.51 | voln | its alot easier to find the problem when you have a known-good list of addons |
| 15:17.56 | voln | then trying to disable them and go from there |
| 15:18.01 | Margus | voln: I'll make one |
| 15:18.20 | erb | voln: make prince drop sunfury |
| 15:18.21 | erb | thanks |
| 15:18.24 | voln | Thanks alot I appreciate it |
| 15:18.25 | voln | erb: nay |
| 15:18.29 | erb | boo |
| 15:18.34 | Trancer | voln: people reported such trouble with Omen or KTM, but that was quite some time ago |
| 15:18.49 | voln | well I stopped using KTM entirely |
| 15:18.54 | voln | and I turned omen off during one run |
| 15:18.56 | voln | still got it |
| 15:19.18 | Margus | voln: got any weird changes on memory usage during the tries? |
| 15:19.29 | Droolio | i tested a similar prob by swapping out the Interfaces dir with a blank one and ninja-restarting WoW without addons for an attempt |
| 15:19.46 | erb | is there an ace equivalant of ICU |
| 15:19.48 | Droolio | i defo think you'll get some kinda lag without anything |
| 15:19.52 | erb | something where i can click dots on my tracking mini map |
| 15:19.56 | erb | and pull up the target |
| 15:19.57 | voln | Margus: not that I saw, no |
| 15:20.07 | Margus | voln: hmm |
| 15:20.13 | voln | Droolio: well I am going to try that this week |
| 15:20.18 | xb95 | voln: I've done Gruul's a bunch of times with addons... |
| 15:20.22 | erb | when is the next gruul's voln? |
| 15:20.32 | voln | sometime this week /shrug |
| 15:20.58 | hypetech | voln: http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/hypetech/?action=view¤t=untitled.jpg |
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| 15:21.16 | voln | thank you so much |
| 15:21.18 | Margus | voln: sorry for asking, dunno if it's already done, did you tried to check the addon channel for any unnormal spam? |
| 15:21.23 | voln | Just a screenshot like that is very helpful |
| 15:21.24 | Droolio | i don't raid anymore so i'm not sure of Gruul but i really did have similar hassles with Thaddius and could only put it down to a pecularity with my system (perhaps networking) and *possibly* the increased b/w of hidden addon messages |
| 15:21.40 | voln | Margus: I dont know how to do that, is there an addon that shows you whats going across the addon channel? |
| 15:21.52 | Droolio | i wrote an addon to show all the hidden addon spam and it seemed a lot more intensive |
| 15:21.55 | Margus | voln: afaik there was one |
| 15:22.01 | Droolio | heh |
| 15:22.12 | dodgizzla | Prat can do that |
| 15:22.32 | voln | dodgizzla: its in the prat options somewhere? |
| 15:22.32 | dodgizzla | If you ask yourself "blablabla Chat blabla" then the answer most probably is "Prat can" |
| 15:22.34 | voln | I run prat so I can look |
| 15:22.46 | Margus | ViewAddonMessage |
| 15:22.51 | voln | hypetech: thanks again, I use alot of these addons so this will help |
| 15:22.53 | Margus | or prat ^^ |
| 15:23.02 | xb95 | voln: my addons if you care - http://pics.livejournal.com/xb95/pic/0026chhx |
| 15:23.03 | hypetech | voln: no problem |
| 15:23.07 | dodgizzla | voln: I think it's called AddonMsgs in the Prat options |
| 15:23.07 | voln | I do care, thank you |
| 15:23.15 | Margus | btw here's my addon list, some of the addons are just for my twinks like my Priest |
| 15:23.16 | Margus | http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3240/addonlistgb5.jpg |
| 15:23.34 | voln | thank you all for these screenshots this is really a big help |
| 15:23.55 | Margus | no problem! |
| 15:24.00 | xb95 | good luck :) |
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| 15:24.06 | voln | yeah thanks ;] |
| 15:24.16 | Margus | wtb [Overpower Alert for Parrot] |
| 15:24.42 | voln | those of you that gave me screenshots, do you mind if I link them in a wow technical forum post myself and some others have been following? |
| 15:24.45 | voln | if not thats fine |
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| 15:25.00 | xb95 | Go for it. |
| 15:25.01 | hypetech | I don't care as far as mine goes |
| 15:25.02 | Margus | voln: feel free to use 'em |
| 15:25.05 | voln | ok thanks |
| 15:27.54 | erb | completely unreleated to anything. anyone know if your arena points will carry over even if you switch realms before the reset peroid? |
| 15:28.17 | voln | incase your curious |
| 15:28.21 | voln | this is the thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174628283&sid=1 |
| 15:28.25 | hypetech | erb: iirc, they do not |
| 15:28.43 | erb | didn't think so |
| 15:28.45 | erb | thanks though |
| 15:30.00 | Margus | voln: could you make a list of your addons too? |
| 15:30.06 | voln | sure |
| 15:30.24 | erb | geezist i still cant pull my self up on the DI armory |
| 15:30.30 | erb | that thing reset on tuesday too? |
| 15:31.01 | sedatedChipmunk | well, that doesn't include archive.org |
| 15:31.01 | sedatedChipmunk | mis |
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| 15:31.06 | Margus | voln: oh and do you use any macros (dunno if the castsequence problem still exists) while/before GS? |
| 15:31.16 | voln | nope no macros |
| 15:31.45 | Margus | voln: thx just another random guess ^^ |
| 15:31.58 | voln | thanks any comments at all are appreciated |
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| 15:33.21 | hypetech | I read something about just having some macros set up, not even using them, was causing low fps for a lot of users |
| 15:33.34 | evl | speaking of macros |
| 15:33.36 | Margus | voln: do you and sparc, which also seemed to have the same problem, got any special apps running in the background which may used your gfx cards? |
| 15:33.39 | voln | I do have macros setup that arent being used |
| 15:33.47 | voln | Margus: I personally dont |
| 15:33.48 | evl | pretty hillarious seeing quarter finals 3v3 in WSVG and the entire team are only mouseclicking |
| 15:33.56 | voln | nothing like "activex desktop" or anything funky |
| 15:34.09 | charon | um, i'd read the wiki page but it's sorta overloaded... what need does quartz fill? (i see you've got it in your addon lists and i haven't tried it) |
| 15:34.44 | Margus | voln: got some weird fps glitches last time I've opened the armory and had YouTube open while playing WoW |
| 15:34.59 | dodgizzla | charon: Quartz is a casting bar addon |
| 15:35.09 | voln | Margus: ahhh ok, yeah nothing like that |
| 15:35.14 | Margus | okay :D |
| 15:35.15 | dodgizzla | voln: Do you have any macros in your action bars? |
| 15:35.42 | voln | yes I do actually, in action bars that are hidden |
| 15:35.44 | charon | dodgizzla: and what are the 3 unique features that Ace addons always have? ;) |
| 15:35.45 | voln | I have a focus banish macro |
| 15:35.49 | voln | and a focus fear macro |
| 15:35.53 | dodgizzla | There is an issue with macros currently |
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| 15:36.09 | voln | You think just having them there could cause a problem? |
| 15:36.10 | dodgizzla | voln: Try add "#show none" as first line in all macros that don't already have #show or #showtooltip |
| 15:36.26 | dodgizzla | charon: It does a gazillion other things besides being a cast bar :D |
| 15:36.47 | Margus | voln: there was an issue with /castsequence macros with just having some of them |
| 15:36.51 | ZealotOnAStick | also, if you have any conditionals, like [target= or castsequence or so forth, make sure those lines end with a ; |
| 15:36.52 | voln | this is all i got right now |
| 15:36.54 | voln | MACRO 5 "DEVOUR" Spell_ChargePositive |
| 15:36.54 | voln | END |
| 15:36.54 | voln | MACRO 2 "FBANISH" Spell_Shadow_Cripple |
| 15:36.59 | voln | END |
| 15:37.01 | voln | MACRO 1 "FFEAR" Spell_Shadow_ShadowEmbrace |
| 15:37.03 | voln | blah |
| 15:37.05 | voln | let me put it on pastebin sorry |
| 15:37.12 | Margus | ^^ |
| 15:37.14 | dodgizzla | voln: http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=12504 this is a thread about FPS issues with macros |
| 15:37.19 | Knaledge | Is there any page for: Cartographer, FuBar, etc. that is a changelog like this one ( http://www.wowace.com/trac/log/trunk/oRA2 ) ? |
| 15:37.36 | Knaledge | I cant seem to find one for those |
| 15:37.57 | voln | dodgizzla: thanks |
| 15:39.11 | Knaledge | I try to use that same path and it just comes up with a "500 Internal Server Error" (been that way for the past week or more) |
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| 15:39.31 | kaiden | dodgizzla, that's really interesting |
| 15:40.03 | voln | is there another pastebin besides www.pastebin.com |
| 15:40.08 | voln | pastebin.com is slow today |
| 15:40.16 | Knaledge | pastey ? |
| 15:40.26 | voln | ahhh |
| 15:40.30 | voln | had to scroll over on the topic ;] |
| 15:40.32 | voln | thanks |
| 15:40.46 | dodgizzla | kaiden: IIRC slouken is doing some heavy refinement on the macro thingie which will speed things up a bit |
| 15:40.51 | dodgizzla | But not until 2.2 hits live :\ |
| 15:41.00 | dodgizzla | And we all know Blizz.. it could take months :D |
| 15:41.09 | dodgizzla | Since they want VoIP in that patch, too |
| 15:41.09 | voln | oh wow |
| 15:41.13 | Knaledge | @hyperChipmunk: anything I might be able to look at thats a trac/changelog like this one (http://www.wowace.com/trac/log/trunk/oRA2) but for FuBar, Cartographer, etc. ? |
| 15:41.13 | voln | i do have some disgusting macros |
| 15:42.07 | erb | wow |
| 15:42.11 | erb | i knew would have pegged it on macros |
| 15:42.12 | dodgizzla | Knaledge: http://www.wowace.com/trac/log/trunk/Cartographer works fine here |
| 15:42.24 | erb | knew/never |
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| 15:42.33 | erb | my brain isn't working yet apparently |
| 15:42.41 | Knaledge | @dogzilla: if I try FuBar it gives me a 500 Internal Server Error |
| 15:42.44 | voln | ok heres the macros I have |
| 15:42.48 | voln | not all are even on my hotbar |
| 15:42.50 | voln | http://ace.pastey.net/70484 |
| 15:42.50 | Knaledge | is that just because they don't use that? |
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| 15:43.07 | voln | any of those look nasty due to this 2.1 macro problem? |
| 15:43.30 | voln | I know one of them prob doesnt even work |
| 15:43.38 | voln | one of the shadowbolt ones is pre 2.0 |
| 15:43.51 | voln | prob the line 9 one |
| 15:45.05 | erb | hah |
| 15:45.09 | sylvanaar | sb2 |
| 15:45.11 | erb | u have a friggen macro to fear pets? |
| 15:45.12 | erb | u bastard |
| 15:45.18 | dodgizzla | Knaledge: No it should work with everything in the SVN |
| 15:45.36 | voln | erb: ha |
| 15:45.42 | Knaledge | hrm thats weird... the cartographer log and _treasure, etc. don't have the latest builds listed in the revision history |
| 15:45.51 | voln | the only ones i use erb are the 3 at the bottom |
| 15:45.53 | dodgizzla | Knaledge: You see that line where it says "root / trunk / .." click on trunk to see the whole SVN and browse from there |
| 15:45.55 | Knaledge | they all stop at July 7th, 2007 |
| 15:45.56 | voln | simple 1-line macros |
| 15:45.59 | voln | going to kill the others |
| 15:46.07 | erb | wow this is alot of good info |
| 15:46.10 | Knaledge | k |
| 15:46.15 | erb | thanks everyone |
| 15:46.25 | erb | now voln can't have any excuse when i whoop his ass in DPS |
| 15:46.30 | erb | i mean. now u can help us all! |
| 15:46.56 | hypetech | lol |
| 15:47.07 | Knaledge | I should look at trunk and not branch right? |
| 15:47.10 | voln | imo blizz needs a test server where you can login to any raid instance and you have infinite HP |
| 15:47.12 | voln | so u can test things |
| 15:47.30 | erb | premades on the PTR |
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| 15:47.39 | CIA-22 | 03bayi * r43221 10beql/ (beql.lua beql.toc extra/beqlfu.lua extra/beqltitan.lua): beql: - Exported fubar plugin to extra/beqlfu.lua and fixed the slash in .toc |
| 15:47.42 | erb | they dont do that anymore though |
| 15:47.58 | erb | well i haven't seen one since priest patch i think |
| 15:47.59 | Knaledge | hrm yeah that works - but some of this stuff is outdated. like FuBar, the last revision posted in the history is on 6-21-2007 |
| 15:48.00 | erb | 1.10 maybe |
| 15:48.41 | Knaledge | but the latest build, according to files.wowace.com shows it as being updated on July 8th, 2007 |
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| 15:49.51 | sylvanaar | voln put #show ahead of /script in your macros too, idk if /script will report that its secure or not |
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| 15:50.05 | voln | ok |
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| 15:58.54 | BankZ | FYI guys, Violation_EffectiveHealing doesnt work |
| 15:59.05 | BankZ | it only records OOC data |
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| 15:59.24 | BankZ | not in combat |
| 16:01.22 | Cryect | sounds like someone has a wrong not :-p |
| 16:06.49 | voln | anyone here a vim guru by chance? |
| 16:07.05 | voln | or vi |
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| 16:07.42 | BankZ | I know VI |
| 16:08.02 | BankZ | thats what I learned and what I use :/ |
| 16:08.05 | voln | wondering if you know the syntax that would do this: Find a word in a line and if that word exists, delete the line |
| 16:08.23 | voln | the word in particular is "Disabled" |
| 16:08.26 | BankZ | I forget how to find |
| 16:08.29 | voln | ah |
| 16:08.31 | BankZ | "dd" |
| 16:08.34 | BankZ | to delete a line |
| 16:09.21 | dodgizzla | To search just do / and type in the search term |
| 16:10.13 | Punkie` | BankZ: are you able to test a change if I make one? |
| 16:10.31 | Fin | woo, autobuff is back |
| 16:11.46 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.57 | Fin | mmh? |
| 16:12.13 | Wobin | :g/Disabled/ s/$^// |
| 16:12.20 | Wobin | That should do it |
| 16:12.36 | Wobin | that might leave blank lines though |
| 16:12.42 | Wobin | so throw in a |
| 16:12.45 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.56 | Wobin | in that pattern to remove the blank lines |
| 16:13.04 | Wobin | that's for voln, btw |
| 16:13.18 | voln | thanks alot man |
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| 16:13.27 | Wobin | actually |
| 16:13.29 | CIA-22 | 03strange * r43222 10FuriousRaid/ (4 files): |
| 16:13.29 | CIA-22 | FuriousRaid: |
| 16:13.29 | CIA-22 | - add the ability to "print" points to any channel or whisper them. |
| 16:13.29 | CIA-22 | - corrected the raid/class filter |
| 16:13.29 | CIA-22 | - updated the AttendanceSet. Please note the attendance data format has changed and you will have to delete your previous data. |
| 16:13.34 | Wobin | :g/Disabled/ d |
| 16:13.38 | Wobin | much easier =) |
| 16:13.42 | voln | alright ;] |
| 16:13.59 | Wobin | hm, no, use 'dd' |
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| 16:14.11 | Wobin | feh, just use the pattern =P I'm fairly sure it'll work =P |
| 16:14.19 | Wobin | everything else is just guesswork atm =P |
| 16:15.15 | Wobin | http://www.geocities.com/volontir/ |
| 16:15.17 | Wobin | is a good page |
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| 16:15.37 | Kaelten | ok I have svn/svn_dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Yata/Yata.toc and I want to pull the addon name out of the string using a command line util |
| 16:15.40 | Kaelten | any advice? |
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| 16:16.00 | Wobin | sed/awk? |
| 16:16.01 | Fin | Kaelten: I don't quite understand |
| 16:16.05 | Wobin | it's been years since I used sed |
| 16:16.08 | Trancer | svn/svn_dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Yata/Yata.toc is the input string? |
| 16:16.09 | Fin | you have the string "svn/svn_dev..."? |
| 16:16.10 | Kaelten | I have that string |
| 16:16.16 | Kaelten | right |
| 16:16.20 | Trancer | always same format? |
| 16:16.20 | dodgizzla | Kaelten: echo $FOO | rev | cut -d/ -f2 | rev | cut -d/ -f1 |
| 16:16.22 | dodgizzla | or something like that |
| 16:16.28 | Kaelten | at least I'm assuing its a string. |
| 16:16.36 | Fin | addon=$(basename "svn/svn_dev....") |
| 16:16.55 | Fin | addon=$(basename "svn/svn_dev...." | cut -f1 -d.) |
| 16:16.57 | Fin | sorry |
| 16:17.02 | Trancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.11 | Roslin | Anyone possible make some suggestions (setting in Pitbull, etc thats in general buggy) but for the life of me i cant get any version of PB's raid frames to work without crashing my client -- tried several times with various versions in the past 6 weeks -- all seem to do it sooner or later and its usually sooner (a few minutes if not seconds into raid)... |
| 16:17.27 | Roslin | or is it just buggy in raid still? |
| 16:18.58 | Strange | it's a blizzard bug -- supposedly fix in the next patch |
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| 16:21.18 | Roslin | Strange thanks for the info -- damn this 2.1 crap -- never ever ever had issues like post 2.1 before sadly :( |
| 16:21.45 | Fin | sylvanaar: as part of your loadmanagering, would be nice to add add some step debuggery for loading addons :) |
| 16:22.24 | Fin | takes ages clicking everything off in the addon listing |
| 16:22.25 | Fin | also! |
| 16:22.34 | sylvanaar | use acp |
| 16:22.54 | Fin | blizzard should be add a way to disable all addons per-character |
| 16:22.56 | Fin | OK, I'll try it |
| 16:23.14 | dodgizzla | Fin: Uhm.. Select character, disable all addons, profit? |
| 16:23.17 | Fin | I had problems with it auto-disabling stuff for me before |
| 16:23.17 | sylvanaar | set it to sort by name |
| 16:23.20 | dodgizzla | Thy fixed that 1 or 2 patches ago |
| 16:23.23 | Fin | dodgizzla: that disables all addons for all characters |
| 16:23.37 | Fin | dodgizzla: oh, that wasn't intended behaviour? |
| 16:23.43 | dodgizzla | Seems not so |
| 16:23.58 | sylvanaar | click the lock icon next to buggrabber and bugsack and ace2 |
| 16:24.01 | Fin | I was too scared to ever try it again after having to reset the list of addons for each character... I think all my 10 chars use different sets of addons |
| 16:24.08 | Fin | sylvanaar: will do |
| 16:24.08 | sylvanaar | then disable all addons |
| 16:24.15 | Fin | sylvanaar: nice! |
| 16:24.25 | dodgizzla | Fin: Backup often :D |
| 16:24.39 | Fin | dodgizzla: oh, I do :) |
| 16:24.42 | hypetech | fin: you can disable all addons per character 0.o |
| 16:24.48 | Fin | hypetech: scrollback |
| 16:25.09 | Fin | sylvanaar: should I uninstall MCPFu? |
| 16:25.10 | hypetech | ah |
| 16:25.33 | sylvanaar | Fin thats a different program |
| 16:26.27 | Fin | yes, I know, just wondering if it plays nice with ACP |
| 16:26.28 | Kinkx | In CowTip is it possible to add the realzone to the tooltip? |
| 16:26.38 | sylvanaar | they arent related |
| 16:26.58 | Fin | sylvanaar: they're both addons for managing your installed addons, no? |
| 16:27.03 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 16:27.03 | Roslin | Kinkx: I assume u can do anything u want using dogtags... |
| 16:27.32 | Fin | sylvanaar: I know they're not related code wise, just in terms of functionality |
| 16:27.34 | Kinkx | Yea, I'm wondering if there is a dogtag for the realzone |
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| 16:27.59 | Knaledge | Is there an Ace 2.0 based addon that very simply tells me what an item sells for at a vendor? |
| 16:28.06 | Knaledge | and uses as little memory as possible? |
| 16:28.15 | Knaledge | I just want that info displayed in a tooltip |
| 16:28.23 | Roslin | Kinkx: Check the Pitbull Wiki -- i think it has the tags listed |
| 16:28.48 | sylvanaar | acp has no dependencies, i havent used mcpfu alot |
| 16:29.03 | Kinkx | The Wiki is outdated, it's from May or something :( |
| 16:29.25 | Fin | Kinkx: apparently there was a crash |
| 16:29.32 | Fin | ~wiki death |
| 16:29.32 | kenlyric | Knaledge: itempricetooltip |
| 16:29.33 | voln | some in here had asked what addons I use when I get the Gruul ground slam + shatter lag |
| 16:29.42 | voln | I put them in the last post on: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174628283&sid=1 |
| 16:29.50 | Roslin | I dont know suppose anyone knows of any alternate raid frames that support the 5man party as raid option in Pitbull -- why i want to actually use the PB raid-frames over anything else (was using Perfect Raid) but as I stated i cant get any version of PB raid frames to actually run stable |
| 16:29.50 | Fin | heheh |
| 16:29.57 | Fin | ~wikideath |
| 16:30.20 | Roslin | Voln: =P |
| 16:30.29 | Roslin | Voln: I cant test it again for a week |
| 16:30.31 | Chompers | baltar > roslin |
| 16:30.34 | voln | same |
| 16:30.48 | Knaledge | @ kenlyric: Is that addon kept up to date often? |
| 16:30.52 | Roslin | Chompers: LOLS - Baltar does kick ass |
| 16:31.00 | kenlyric | yes. |
| 16:31.34 | Knaledge | ok cool - I am looking to remove Auctioneer, et. all from my primary profile and move it all to my bank |
| 16:31.43 | Fin | sylvanaar: is there an ACPFu? |
| 16:31.48 | sylvanaar | fin, no |
| 16:31.51 | Fin | k |
| 16:31.59 | kenlyric | i haven't run across anything it hasn't known the price of, yet. |
| 16:32.11 | kenlyric | yeah, I was able to replace informant with it. |
| 16:32.12 | Roslin | I saw somthing that does that but cant recall what... |
| 16:32.25 | Knaledge | th only thing I'd miss would be the auction based "it might sell for this" stuff... but otherwise I'd just want to have a line item added to the default tooltip telling me how much it would sell for at vendor. |
| 16:32.30 | Fin | kenlyric: may I ask how many characters on how many factions you have? |
| 16:32.42 | Roslin | I'd love to remove auctioneer myself but i dont know of anything that scans like it does and will allow u to post based on % to undercut competition |
| 16:32.59 | Knaledge | I want to keep auctioneer |
| 16:33.02 | Fin | Roslin: I think that's because there aren't any, public at least |
| 16:33.07 | Knaledge | just cut back on my mem usage on my main |
| 16:33.11 | Roslin | Fin: I know i've looked :) |
| 16:33.14 | kenlyric | kci2 is still in beta :) |
| 16:33.23 | Fin | ... still... :) |
| 16:33.29 | kenlyric | our friendly neighborhood "K" has been busy :) |
| 16:33.34 | Kaelten | ya and this server issues isn't helping it get out of beta either :s |
| 16:33.43 | Knaledge | I mean... my auctioneer alone uses 11MB of UI memory |
| 16:33.54 | Kaelten | Knaledge: KCI2 uses some 700k |
| 16:33.56 | Kaelten | :) |
| 16:33.57 | Knaledge | I've kept it in my addons and updated it each build since launch |
| 16:34.04 | Fin | oh yeah, well keep Auctioneer LoD and just reload after visiting the AH |
| 16:34.09 | Knaledge | really? even with a near 2 year old database? |
| 16:34.29 | Roslin | Voln: I will keep that thread updated -- what i initially thought it was -- was my macros using #showtooltip, etc conditional stuff |
| 16:34.30 | Kaelten | Knaledge: ya it would, KCI2 works on the basis that data is invalidated as a function of time. |
| 16:34.33 | Knaledge | like I have auction price trends from near 2 years ago on some items |
| 16:34.41 | Fin | kenlyric: I'll take that as a "no", fair enough :) just wondering how comprehensive itempricetooltip is |
| 16:34.43 | Roslin | Voln: but i removed that stuff and it was still laggy as hell on groundslam |
| 16:34.48 | voln | Roslin: ugh ;X |
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| 16:34.58 | voln | Roslin: we will get to the bottom of it! |
| 16:34.59 | Kaelten | also I use a more compact storage method. |
| 16:35.10 | voln | I am already telling my guild I need to do some testing on our next fight |
| 16:35.13 | Roslin | Voln: Well unless someone here knows if u need to do a client reload on the macro problem atm |
| 16:35.16 | voln | I am covering the repair bills |
| 16:35.17 | Knaledge | so you mean that it would truncate data after it is X days/months/years old? |
| 16:35.18 | Kaelten | and just the actual amount of data is different |
| 16:35.25 | Roslin | Voln: I actually did not reload my client just deleted all the macros |
| 16:35.31 | hypetech | voln: the raid repair bills? |
| 16:35.36 | voln | hypetech: yeah |
| 16:35.38 | hypetech | LOL |
| 16:35.44 | Kaelten | Knaledge well kidna, I work on a form of weighted averages/bellcurves that decays overtime |
| 16:35.48 | voln | not their whole repair bills tho |
| 16:35.51 | voln | only a portion |
| 16:35.52 | hypetech | ah |
| 16:35.55 | Knaledge | ah ok |
| 16:36.00 | voln | the portions where my testing results in a wipe, if that happens ;] |
| 16:36.19 | Knaledge | WEll I will give it a shot when you have something on the table to test |
| 16:36.21 | voln | I am going to start the test with no addons and no macros |
| 16:36.27 | Kaelten | Knaledge: I'd recommend installing it along side do a KCI scan and an auctioneer scan and see what the results say, I'd be interested to see how close they are. |
| 16:36.31 | Knaledge | I've used Auctioneer now for near 2 years and I'm into it big time |
| 16:36.42 | hypetech | KCI is usable now? |
| 16:36.43 | Kaelten | ya I'm not as feature rich yet |
| 16:36.52 | voln | hypetech: i think so, I been using it just fine |
| 16:36.59 | Kaelten | but KCI2 is usable in a basic sense with more getting added as time goes. |
| 16:37.00 | voln | the tooltips are a bit big for my liking but I get used to it |
| 16:37.17 | Kaelten | voln: and I'll be turning my attention to them after I get sellvalues where I want them |
| 16:37.17 | hypetech | the tooltips can't be bigger than auctioneer's version :p |
| 16:37.29 | Knaledge | I just really like the integration level of norg stuff |
| 16:37.30 | voln | Kaelten: sounds good ;] |
| 16:37.31 | Kaelten | hypetech: right now they're wider but not as tall |
| 16:37.33 | voln | I love KCI2 |
| 16:37.35 | hypetech | ah |
| 16:37.36 | Knaledge | like auctioneer + enchantrix is SICK. |
| 16:37.41 | voln | yah I would rather have them tall than wide |
| 16:37.54 | hypetech | voln: that's what she said |
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| 16:37.56 | Roslin | So... nobody knows of any other raid frames outside of the crashing Pitbull ones that support raid of 5 is shows as party? :( |
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| 16:37.58 | hypetech | sorry...I just couldn't resist |
| 16:38.02 | voln | yah i know ;] |
| 16:38.07 | voln | I was just reinforcing |
| 16:38.12 | Knaledge | try oRA2 |
| 16:38.16 | voln | glad I could get rid of auctioneer finally |
| 16:38.19 | Knaledge | or sRaidFrames |
| 16:38.22 | Roslin | ORA2 has no frames |
| 16:38.31 | Kaelten | voln: what I'm thinking of is having a slide that you can set and instead of displaying the range like it currently does I can disply that part of the range |
| 16:38.35 | Knaledge | doesn't ti flip it over if you have CTRaid running? |
| 16:38.43 | voln | Kaelten: sounds good to me |
| 16:38.44 | Funkeh` | hi all |
| 16:38.58 | Kaelten | so if you set your scale to "low end" it'll show the prices from the low end of the range |
| 16:39.06 | voln | yah i like that idea |
| 16:39.09 | hypetech | so is KC_Items listed in the WAU the right version? |
| 16:39.18 | Kaelten | hypetech: yes |
| 16:39.30 | Knaledge | Well what about this itempricetooltip ? |
| 16:39.43 | Knaledge | does this update its pricing based on last sale like informant? |
| 16:39.58 | Knaledge | thats why I stopped using ItemValue |
| 16:40.00 | kenlyric | Knaledge: if it needs to, probably. |
| 16:40.04 | kenlyric | it's not like prices change that often. |
| 16:40.06 | Dotted | Kaelten is there a KCI2 vs Auc page somewhere? |
| 16:40.15 | Fin | aha |
| 16:40.20 | Kaelten | if you set it to "low end -5%" (or something) it'll show the low end with a discount |
| 16:40.22 | Fin | it's ClearFont2 that was crashing the game :( weird |
| 16:40.28 | Kaelten | Dotted: nope |
| 16:40.29 | Knaledge | I can get auctioneer to scan at 10.8x listings per second |
| 16:40.40 | Dotted | :/ |
| 16:40.42 | Kaelten | Knaledge: thats a function of the server |
| 16:40.49 | Kaelten | it has little to do with the addon scanningit |
| 16:40.55 | Knaledge | oh ok |
| 16:41.07 | Kaelten | blizz puts lag into our ability to search. so we don't kill the AH |
| 16:41.14 | Knaledge | would there be a comparitive method otherwise, then? |
| 16:41.25 | Kaelten | comparitive of what? |
| 16:41.29 | Knaledge | Auct vs KCI2 ? |
| 16:41.33 | Knaledge | like speed, performance |
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| 16:41.43 | kenlyric | try them both, see which you like? |
| 16:41.51 | Kaelten | hrm, right now its hard to say as KCI2 is still growing a lot more and auctioneer is rather stable. |
| 16:41.54 | Knaledge | or is it generally accepted that Auct is functioning at its prime, etc. |
| 16:42.21 | Kaelten | in general KCI has lower memory usage. |
| 16:42.22 | kenlyric | want us to start dressing you, too? |
| 16:42.30 | Kaelten | ~lart kenlyric |
| 16:42.30 | purl | turns kenlyric into a lifesized tux doll |
| 16:42.30 | Knaledge | Honestly I just wish there were a way to make auctioneer much more modular in that... |
| 16:42.32 | Roslin | Kaelten: LOL Quartz AH BAR perhaps? :) |
| 16:42.38 | Roslin | see the latency =p |
| 16:42.40 | Roslin | hehe |
| 16:42.44 | Kaelten | Roslin: lol |
| 16:42.47 | Knaledge | I want to run auctioneer on my bank but on my main, just see in a tooltip the auc sell value and item value |
| 16:42.57 | Trancer | Knaledge: they are rewriting auctioneer atm |
| 16:43.00 | Knaledge | like some sort of... data import |
| 16:43.01 | Trancer | Knaledge: to do just that |
| 16:43.07 | Knaledge | really? |
| 16:43.08 | Kaelten | Knaledge: ah, ya unfortunately that'd still have the issues with memory usage. |
| 16:43.18 | Kaelten | Trancer: really? again? |
| 16:43.28 | Kaelten | lol can't say much KCI hasgone through 4 or 5 rewrites |
| 16:43.32 | Trancer | yeah, let me find the blog post |
| 16:43.39 | Knaledge | that's pretty cool tbh |
| 16:43.39 | Kaelten | woot added back 700 pages to the wiki |
| 16:43.44 | Kaelten | (TOC Data) |
| 16:43.51 | Knaledge | because I love auctioneer and all but it ses 11MB of mem right no |
| 16:44.07 | Kaelten | right now I'm working on the sellvalues display for KCI |
| 16:44.34 | kenlyric | couldn't you use the itemprice lib? |
| 16:44.51 | Knaledge | whetehr thats a tradeoff given all the accumulated data or not I cant say... but I just want to have my bank running full blown auctioneer, then on my main have like.. super mini-lightweight auctioneer running (probably including informant) and it just using that data from my bank to simply display a tooltip with the auc value and vendor item value. |
| 16:45.00 | Kaelten | kenlyric: I could but two problems, it doesn't auto update like I want, it doesn't have the info about how much vendors sell items for. |
| 16:45.26 | Kaelten | Knaledge: you'd probably see a similar memory usage though |
| 16:45.35 | kenlyric | Kaelten: am i missing something? isn't that the purpose of the mod? |
| 16:45.38 | Kaelten | a large chunk of auctioneer's mem usage is in the form of data stored |
| 16:45.46 | Knaledge | because its loading that "file of values" into memory even still? |
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| 16:45.52 | kenlyric | to know how much vendors buy and sell items for. |
| 16:46.13 | Kaelten | kenlyric: item pricelib uses a static lib of how much vendors buy stuff for |
| 16:46.22 | kenlyric | yes. |
| 16:46.23 | Kaelten | its updated from wowhead regularly |
| 16:46.36 | Trancer | http://norganna.blog.greatdarkplanet.org/2007/03/16/auctioneer-50-advanced-statistics-engine/ |
| 16:46.36 | Kaelten | but it doesn't auto correct with new prices |
| 16:46.52 | Knaledge | Ah yes, Trancer |
| 16:46.59 | Knaledge | I've read that - good call.. |
| 16:47.12 | Trancer | Kaelten: all KCI needs is a mass poster |
| 16:47.21 | Trancer | Kaelten: I am stuck to auctioneer because KCI doesn\'t have it |
| 16:47.23 | Fisker- | lol |
| 16:47.29 | kenlyric | Kaelten: really? it does for me once I visit a vendor on an item it doesn't know. |
| 16:47.31 | Fisker- | pct cooldown 1 month now |
| 16:47.36 | Trancer | mass poster as in.. 1 x 20 for X/Y gold |
| 16:47.40 | hypetech | wait, you can't mass post? |
| 16:47.42 | hypetech | bleh |
| 16:48.09 | kenlyric | I may be remembering informant, though. |
| 16:48.21 | hypetech | Fisker-: pct? |
| 16:48.22 | Trancer | (i typically post 100 arcane dusts for a price opposed to stack posting) |
| 16:48.30 | kenlyric | still, information about the vendor cost of items is useful to many mods, and really should be a lib (imo) |
| 16:48.42 | Knaledge | so then what would be the very best, most efficient, "updates on its own at vendors" addon that simply, very simply, shows me how much an item sells for at a vendor, in the default tooltip on mouseover? |
| 16:49.08 | Trancer | itempricetooltip |
| 16:49.11 | Knaledge | I mean I could just use informant I suppose |
| 16:49.16 | Kaelten | kenlyric: no it doesn't update automatically and if it is its probably a function of the mod using the lib not the lib itself |
| 16:49.19 | Trancer | colalight is a bit heavy |
| 16:49.25 | Knaledge | is that better than informant as far as mem usage, etc.? |
| 16:49.34 | Trancer | yeah, it's light |
| 16:49.37 | kenlyric | well, the lib itself doesn't update. |
| 16:49.53 | kenlyric | but neither does informant or anything else, unless you force a dataminer on everyone using kci |
| 16:50.14 | Knaledge | well I do notice ifnormant will update like... |
| 16:50.22 | Knaledge | if I go to stormwind and a item sells for 1g |
| 16:50.31 | Knaledge | but I go to Ironforge and it sells for 90s |
| 16:50.37 | Knaledge | it'll tell me 90s |
| 16:51.36 | Kaelten | ya thats because its remember the last price atm |
| 16:52.03 | kenlyric | how in the world can that ever happen |
| 16:52.05 | kenlyric | ? |
| 16:52.21 | Knaledge | hellfire peninsula vs stormwind |
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| 16:52.34 | Knaledge | like selling something at honor hold yields less than selling it at stormwind, etc. |
| 16:52.38 | kenlyric | do you want to to remember the lowest sale price? or the highest? |
| 16:52.45 | kenlyric | I thought all things vendored for the same price no matter the vendor. |
| 16:53.01 | kenlyric | that's just idiot programming otherwise. |
| 16:53.20 | Knaledge | likewise I was under the impression it would sell for less at a vendor in a neutral city vs faction specific |
| 16:53.57 | Kaelten | kenlyric: reputation discounts |
| 16:54.41 | kenlyric | reputation discounts apply to selling items? |
| 16:54.53 | Knaledge | my NE rogue is exalted with SW and Darn so I've only always been used to those prices |
| 16:55.44 | hypetech | oh ya, whoever said that tooltip is too much for them was right. The KCI tooltip could be scaled down about 50% imo |
| 16:55.45 | hypetech | :p |
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| 16:56.03 | Kaelten | kenlyric: ya |
| 16:56.11 | Muqatil | Hello everyone |
| 16:56.18 | Kaelten | hypetech: :P "BETA" :P |
| 16:56.19 | Knaledge | hello |
| 16:56.40 | Knaledge | so ok... so then itempricetooltip doesn't function like informant does then? |
| 16:57.02 | Knaledge | so would my best bet be to just disable auctioneer et all on my main but keep informant on?/ |
| 16:57.18 | kenlyric | I would want itemprice to remember the actual cost of an item, not a vendor discount cost. |
| 16:57.22 | hypetech | Kaelten: http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/hypetech/?action=view¤t=kci.jpg |
| 16:57.23 | Knaledge | informant + enhtooltip that is |
| 16:57.31 | Muqatil | Can someone tell me where can i find documentation of "HOWTO make Addons?" I'd like to try to make one but i wont harass anyone.. |
| 16:57.37 | kenlyric | but it still seems crazy the vendor price is based on faction discount. |
| 16:57.46 | hypetech | Kaelten: only seems to do it over Netherweave Cloth |
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| 16:58.02 | Knaledge | @ kenlyric: it gives minor incentive to become heavily installed with specific factions |
| 16:58.27 | Kaelten | hypetech: ya I'm not sure what causes that to be honest part of the reason I'm ditching that type of tooltips. |
| 16:58.47 | hypetech | hehe |
| 16:58.54 | kenlyric | so then you wouldn't want an item price lib to update based on faction. |
| 16:59.17 | Kaelten | the tri column tooltips are a pita |
| 16:59.20 | Knaledge | it should very simply allow the user to choose whether the highest sale price is recorded/updated if found, ever |
| 16:59.23 | Knaledge | or the lowest |
| 16:59.24 | Knaledge | thats all |
| 16:59.49 | hypetech | Kaelten: but to be honest, this is enough information for my purposes, so I think I'll try to ween off of Auctioneer for a bit and give it a shot |
| 16:59.54 | Knaledge | so if the existing database that comes with itempricetooltip lists Item A as selling for 1g |
| 16:59.57 | Kaelten | :) |
| 17:00.03 | Knaledge | but I find it sells elsewhere for 1.5g it updates to that |
| 17:00.15 | Kaelten | I havn't used itempricetooltip |
| 17:00.31 | Kaelten | KCI has its own sellvaues and buyvalus in the tooltip |
| 17:00.41 | kenlyric | *sigh* |
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| 17:01.41 | Muqatil | Maybe i'll be annoying but.. |
| 17:01.44 | Muqatil | Can someone tell me where can i find documentation of "HOWTO make Addons?" I'd like to try to make one but i wont harass anyone.. |
| 17:02.23 | Knaledge | go to barnes and noble and buy the book "Hacking World of Warcraft" |
| 17:02.25 | kenlyric | databases of information take up space. It's extremely silly to keep duplicating these values. And unlike character information in prat/aloft, item sell value is something that can be pulled from a consistent place. |
| 17:02.50 | hypetech | what happened to the tutorial wiki page? 0.o |
| 17:02.51 | kenlyric | You can have KCI update sell values however you wish and still use itemprice as a base for the 95% of things that will not change. |
| 17:02.51 | Knaledge | it's written in part by Dan Gilbert (maker of Atlas) and he goes over quite briefly the very basics of addon creation and where to find more info abot "How To" |
| 17:02.53 | Kaelten | Muqatil: check out Welcome home on wowace's wiki |
| 17:02.55 | hypetech | nothing there now more or less |
| 17:02.59 | hypetech | Kaelten: it's not there |
| 17:03.11 | Kaelten | hypetech its back its just the categories are messed up |
| 17:03.19 | Muqatil | Knaledge ^_^ i'll try that but before that i'll buy some gold.. |
| 17:03.36 | Kaelten | Muqatil: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace2_Addon |
| 17:03.44 | Muqatil | Knaledge thank you |
| 17:04.00 | hyperChipmunk | that's the one clad co-authored, no? |
| 17:04.01 | Knaledge | no problem - just a suggestion for bathroom reading is all |
| 17:04.13 | Kaelten | hyperChipmunk: ya |
| 17:04.14 | Knaledge | not sure |
| 17:04.23 | Knaledge | but it's pretty interesting read |
| 17:04.35 | Muqatil | i couldn't find that my bad. |
| 17:04.38 | Knaledge | it doesnt tell you HOW so much as Why and what for |
| 17:04.43 | Knaledge | try amazon.com then |
| 17:04.44 | Kaelten | Muqatil: the wiki is in peices still. |
| 17:04.48 | Knaledge | it's definitely there |
| 17:04.56 | hyperChipmunk | ~stab clad|away |
| 17:04.57 | purl | ACTION runs at clad|away with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 17:05.03 | clad|away | BOO |
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| 17:05.11 | clad|away | i hate paper cuts |
| 17:05.17 | hyperChipmunk | owned, imo |
| 17:05.20 | Kaelten | ~lart hyperChipmunk |
| 17:05.20 | purl | slams hyperChipmunk against a large cement Tux |
| 17:06.01 | Thrae | hyperChipmunk: What, you want clad to remake a wiki page on how to make Ace2 addons? ^^;; |
| 17:06.25 | clad|away | how bout i write a book about how to write addons, period. |
| 17:06.38 | clad|away | k k |
| 17:06.38 | hyperChipmunk | hey, good idea |
| 17:06.44 | clad|away | k.. i'll start tuesday |
| 17:06.51 | kenlyric | shouldn't we get someone good to do that? ;) |
| 17:06.57 | hyperChipmunk | hoho |
| 17:07.09 | Kaelten | clad|away: I'll help |
| 17:07.09 | clad|away | yes, clearly my addons suck =) |
| 17:07.17 | clad|away | Kaelten: No thanks, I think we're good :P |
| 17:07.27 | Kaelten | :( |
| 17:07.34 | Kaelten | ~cry |
| 17:07.34 | purl | ACTION cries and sobs until he nearly drowns in his own tears |
| 17:07.36 | clad|away | I have so much writing to do |
| 17:07.41 | sbu | leotheras is easy? |
| 17:07.43 | clad|away | I quit my job early to write the damn book |
| 17:07.50 | clad|away | and now I have to wait until Tuesday to get my laptop back =/ |
| 17:08.03 | Knaledge | thats the machien you're talking about on your posts? |
| 17:08.08 | Kaelten | hehe, at least you don't have a wiki to restore from google caches |
| 17:08.08 | Knaledge | *machine |
| 17:08.17 | sbu | wtf |
| 17:08.20 | sbu | Kaelten :o |
| 17:08.28 | Thrae | clad|away: As long as the book promotes a single framework which does 30% of the work for most addons, with the purposes of ease of coding, smaller footprint, and ease of maintenance! |
| 17:08.36 | Kaelten | ~stab Kaelten |
| 17:08.37 | purl | ACTION runs at Kaelten with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 17:08.55 | kaiden | clad|away, why so violent?! |
| 17:08.57 | Kaelten | ~lart Thrae |
| 17:08.57 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Thrae |
| 17:09.04 | Thrae | Kaelten: I -told- you I wanted to download the Wiki many times...wait, no, I just thought that |
| 17:09.07 | Kaelten | owe desk hit back |
| 17:09.14 | Kirkburn|sleep | Btw, WowAce is missing a logo :P |
| 17:09.17 | yacoob | ...on unrelated note, anyone has hiren's boot cd somewhere up? |
| 17:09.26 | kenlyric | I just checked on my mage, who is friendly with stormwind, and honored with ironforge, and everything he has vendors for the same price no matter the vendor. |
| 17:09.44 | Thrae | yacoob: Yeah, I was trying to show it to a customer, and noticed it's not easy to find on google right now. |
| 17:09.54 | Kaelten | Thrae why do you antagonize me so! |
| 17:10.08 | Thrae | Kaelten: Because...I love you. |
| 17:10.22 | Kaelten | eck clad|away save me! |
| 17:10.32 | yacoob | that's a bit problematic, I need hiren's X_x |
| 17:10.41 | Thrae | I don't think clad is a good person to run to for this type of problem, Kaelten! |
| 17:10.58 | Thrae | yacoob: isohunt.com |
| 17:11.13 | Kaelten | eck Cairenn save me! |
| 17:11.21 | Knaledge | @ kenlyric: thats because exalted is the only time you see the difference |
| 17:11.38 | Cairenn | ? |
| 17:11.43 | Knaledge | friendly/honored/revered are all the same vendor-wise |
| 17:11.49 | yacoob | Thrae, that's the problem, not really in reach of bittorrent client... :/ |
| 17:11.55 | kenlyric | there's a vendorprice change at exalted? shouldn't that be documented somewhere? |
| 17:12.04 | Thrae | yacoob: Hmmmm |
| 17:12.05 | kenlyric | does vendor price go down, or up? |
| 17:12.05 | Kaelten | kenlyric: theres one at honored I believe |
| 17:12.17 | Zicon | I don't believe this until I get proof. |
| 17:12.22 | kenlyric | Kaelten: no, that's buy price, not sell price. |
| 17:12.29 | Kaelten | ah right |
| 17:12.55 | kaiden | btw, never listen to your coworkers when they say bring donuts to work.. 2 dozen donuts sitting on my desk and it's almost noon and nobody has touched them |
| 17:13.04 | kenlyric | bring better donuts. |
| 17:13.07 | kaiden | i'm going to make a donut fort |
| 17:13.16 | kaiden | they are great donuts.. :) |
| 17:13.24 | yacoob | durable, yet light? :)) |
| 17:13.25 | kenlyric | people bring crappy grocery store or krispy kreme donuts to our work and they just sit there. |
| 17:13.26 | Kirkburn|sleep | Why are the SVNBot's uploads for beql? |
| 17:13.30 | kaiden | yacoob, because the world keeps turning when weekday warriors are off work :P |
| 17:13.42 | kaiden | kenlyric, these are WesternCo Donuts |
| 17:13.51 | yacoob | impossible! *suffocates from sudden gasp* :) |
| 17:13.55 | kaiden | The only donut shops around the microsoft campus area |
| 17:14.07 | Kaelten | Kirkburn|sleep: ? |
| 17:14.14 | Kirkburn|sleep | Lol, every single SVNbot upload has beql data |
| 17:14.34 | Kirkburn|sleep | >_> |
| 17:14.35 | kaiden | i bet if i laced the donuts with crack these people would be all over them |
| 17:14.39 | kaiden | *idea* |
| 17:14.40 | Kaelten | beq1? |
| 17:14.51 | Kirkburn|sleep | Bayi's Extended Questlog |
| 17:15.02 | Kirkburn|sleep | All the TOC Data is for that addon ... somehow |
| 17:15.07 | Kaelten | :S |
| 17:15.15 | Kaelten | I must have fubared my command |
| 17:15.25 | kenlyric | just checked on my priest who is revered with lower city and exalted with aldor. Same thing. Vendor sell price remains the same. |
| 17:15.26 | Kaelten | { for x in svn/svn_dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/*/*.toc; do addon=$(basename $x | cut -f1 -d.); cat $x > /tmp/tmp.toc; gawk -v ADDON=$addon -f autotoc.gwk ; done } |
| 17:15.31 | Kaelten | what did I do wrong? |
| 17:15.41 | Kirkburn|sleep | It did beql before the rest |
| 17:15.56 | Kirkburn|sleep | I guess it didn't actually change for each one |
| 17:16.21 | kaiden | Kaelten, i know what will fix your day right up |
| 17:16.33 | Kirkburn|sleep | Huh, it's been doing beql even before today |
| 17:16.43 | Kaelten | :S |
| 17:16.55 | Kaelten | kaiden: a million dollars ? |
| 17:17.19 | dodgizzla | No |
| 17:17.20 | kaiden | sorry, got message flooded |
| 17:17.23 | dodgizzla | TWO million dollars. |
| 17:17.31 | haste | a million JPY! |
| 17:17.33 | kaiden | Kaelten, a speed laced donut |
| 17:17.39 | Kirkburn|sleep | Now going back to 1st July, still beql |
| 17:17.40 | kaiden | sure to get you pumpin ;p |
| 17:17.56 | Kaelten | wtf |
| 17:18.03 | Kirkburn|sleep | Ah, nvm that was due to something else |
| 17:18.08 | Kirkburn|sleep | Histories are confusing |
| 17:18.16 | Kirkburn|sleep | I think it's just today's run that messed up |
| 17:18.32 | Kaelten | :s |
| 17:18.49 | Kirkburn|sleep | (I looked at the list of contribs from a while back, forgetting that it overwrote them today) |
| 17:19.48 | Kaelten | wtf |
| 17:20.15 | Kirkburn|sleep | 13:11 8 July 2007, WindFuryFu, okay ... then it does 3 beql updates (I guess it got updated today) two hours later |
| 17:20.21 | kenlyric | I really detest places that don't sell bullets or arrows. |
| 17:20.29 | Kirkburn|sleep | One hour later, you started the full run, and everything turned beql |
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| 17:20.37 | Kaelten | wtf |
| 17:20.39 | Kaelten | wtf |
| 17:20.45 | Kirkburn|sleep | :D |
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| 17:21.36 | Knaledge | if this server is run on windows you could check out a shadow copy mandatorily imaged by policy if its SQL based |
| 17:22.17 | Strigoi | ckknight_ i'm not sure if it was reported already, but i'm getting some wired behaving of PitBull, it's been there for quite a while, i mean it's not latest revision or smth, check this screenie: http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5618/wowscrnshot070807205546dr2.jpg |
| 17:22.28 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r43223 10DrDamage/ (Caster.lua Data/Druid.lua DrDamage.lua Melee.lua): |
| 17:22.28 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 17:22.28 | CIA-22 | - Update relic slot always for hybrids |
| 17:22.28 | CIA-22 | - Pounce can't crit |
| 17:22.33 | Kaelten | ok I just ran it on just yata's toc and its still doing it |
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| 17:23.42 | kaiden | Strigoi, and what's the problem? if you mean the big frame hovering over everything at the bottom that looks more like an eePanel panel |
| 17:23.47 | kaiden | than pitbull, but i could be wrong |
| 17:24.06 | CIA-22 | 03cryect * r43224 10Recount/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Recount - Adds custom scrollbar textures |
| 17:24.30 | Kaelten | ahah found the bug |
| 17:24.33 | Kaelten | rerunning |
| 17:24.44 | CIA-22 | 03cryect * r43225 10Recount/GUI_Config.lua: Recount - Forgot to disable test code for the new config screen |
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| 17:25.37 | Saroz | What's battlechat? |
| 17:25.38 | kaiden | So is it just me or is it kinda funny that wowhead removed the information about them selling to Affinity Media? |
| 17:26.03 | kaiden | Saroz, think simplecombatlog but smaller scale, less info shown |
| 17:26.08 | Strigoi | kaiden it's PiBull issue for sure ;p |
| 17:26.47 | Strigoi | i tried few times, if i for example move party frames to different Y position |
| 17:26.54 | kaiden | Strigoi, Then I would check your settings and make sure you aren't causing it in some way as I have ran PitBull flawlessly since it's first public release with no problems that ever resembled that :P |
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| 17:27.36 | kaiden | try a different layout on your party frames if it follows your party frames then and see if that fixes it then just redo the custom layout |
| 17:28.49 | Strigoi | kaiden i'm not the only one who's getting it :> |
| 17:28.53 | Kirkburn|sleep | Kaelten, much better :) |
| 17:28.57 | Strigoi | gimme 1 moment |
| 17:29.12 | Kirkburn|sleep | What happened to it, Kael? |
| 17:30.48 | BankZZ | Any recommendations on driver settings for ATI and WOW for best proformace? |
| 17:31.04 | Kirkburn|sleep | depends on the card |
| 17:31.08 | kaiden | BankZZ, yup, store.nvidia.com |
| 17:31.08 | kaiden | ;p |
| 17:31.11 | kaiden | sorry hehe |
| 17:31.13 | Kirkburn|sleep | lol |
| 17:31.15 | Sirow | *gg* |
| 17:31.28 | Kaelten | Kirkburn|sleep: I was cating to tmp/tmp.toc and I needed to be catting to /tmp/temp.toc |
| 17:31.47 | BankZZ | Kirkburn: its a older card, 9700 mobile |
| 17:31.47 | Kirkburn|sleep | Personally I wouldn't touch the driver settings, use the in-game options ... and make sure you're up to date |
| 17:32.07 | Kaelten | Kirkburn|sleep: WAKEUP |
| 17:32.11 | Kaelten | ~coffee Kirkburn|sleep |
| 17:32.12 | purl | ACTION steals some of thekip_'s special coffee and gives it to Kirkburn|sleep on a silver platter. |
| 17:32.13 | Kirkburn|sleep | no u |
| 17:32.28 | Kirkburn | *Head rush* |
| 17:32.36 | Kaelten | :) |
| 17:32.50 | Kirkburn|sleep | *snore* |
| 17:32.52 | CIA-22 | 03ominous * r43226 10ClassTimer/ClassTimer.lua: ClassTimer: Saving now works properly! |
| 17:32.54 | Kaelten | ~coffee Kirkburn|sleep |
| 17:32.55 | purl | ACTION steals some of theoddone33's special coffee and gives it to Kirkburn|sleep on a silver platter. |
| 17:33.05 | Kaelten | ~coffee Kirkburn|sleep |
| 17:33.06 | purl | ACTION steals some of Kinkx's special coffee and gives it to Kirkburn|sleep on a silver platter. |
| 17:33.10 | Kaelten | damn purl and his throttlying |
| 17:33.37 | Kaelten | arg I don't know awk scripting |
| 17:33.44 | Kaelten | Mikk: eck save me! |
| 17:33.45 | Thrae | Kaelten: I think you overdosed him on the caffiene ^^;;; |
| 17:33.53 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:35.01 | Fisker- | WTF |
| 17:35.06 | Fisker- | was playing ghost recon |
| 17:35.11 | Fisker- | and i was heading for an extraction point |
| 17:35.21 | Fisker- | and i saw this soldier come running |
| 17:35.27 | Fisker- | i thought it was one of my own heading for the extraction |
| 17:35.30 | Fisker- | then it was an enemy? |
| 17:35.33 | Fisker- | He went right by |
| 17:35.34 | Fisker- | me |
| 17:35.35 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 17:35.38 | Fisker- | gg ai |
| 17:36.05 | Kaelten | ~resurrect Kirkburn|dead |
| 17:36.05 | purl | ACTION gathers all his magical powers (and some prayin'!) and resurrects Kirkburn|dead from the dead. |
| 17:36.17 | Kaelten | :) |
| 17:36.22 | Kirkburn | woot. |
| 17:36.28 | Kaelten | purl is powerful |
| 17:36.55 | Kaelten | ok now I just need to redo this awk script so I can push stuff |
| 17:36.57 | wereHamster | purl as powerful as god? |
| 17:37.12 | Kirkburn | ~god |
| 17:37.13 | purl | i heard god is a llama, or real unless declared integer |
| 17:37.36 | wereHamster | ~llama |
| 17:37.36 | purl | hmm... llama is the incarnation of god on earth, or http://images2.jokaroo.net/flash/llamasong.swf |
| 17:37.51 | wereHamster | oh.. interesting |
| 17:38.06 | Sirow | lol |
| 17:39.28 | Kaelten | ~wereHamster |
| 17:39.28 | purl | i guess werehamster is not scary, but Shaggy |
| 17:39.53 | wereHamster | only very few understand that :) |
| 17:39.58 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:40.05 | Kaelten | ~gods |
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| 17:42.15 | wereHamster | ~Kaelten |
| 17:42.16 | purl | it has been said that kaelten is spilling be champien |
| 17:42.29 | Kaelten | ~lart purl |
| 17:42.29 | purl | puts kaelten through a wood chipper |
| 17:42.34 | Kaelten | :S |
| 17:45.41 | Gandharva | Is there an addon that allows disabling this annoying messages like: "Not enough Rage"? |
| 17:46.14 | charon | ErrorMonster |
| 17:46.22 | MoonWolf | more then a few |
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| 17:48.48 | Gandharva | charon: danke |
| 17:52.46 | charon | Gandharva: bitte |
| 17:57.10 | kenlyric | just turn off that sound option. |
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| 17:57.38 | charon | kenlyric: that's a different thing, though i'm not sure if i answered the right question |
| 17:57.49 | charon | errormonster eaths the red messages that normally appear at the top |
| 17:57.52 | charon | *eats |
| 17:58.01 | charon | it can reroute them to SCT and the like, or just drop them |
| 17:58.06 | kenlyric | right, the red messages appear still, but you don't have to hear them. |
| 17:58.29 | charon | i'm more annoyed by the red stuff because it blocks my view. YMMV |
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| 17:58.43 | kenlyric | zoom out :) |
| 17:58.48 | kenlyric | but yeah, the mod would work for you |
| 17:59.24 | Kaelten | Mikk: content=$(cat temp.html) |
| 17:59.26 | Kaelten | er |
| 17:59.28 | Kaelten | anyone |
| 17:59.32 | Kaelten | why does that not work? |
| 17:59.44 | charon | you problably want to quote it |
| 17:59.49 | charon | argh, i can't type any more |
| 17:59.57 | charon | try this: content="$(cat temp.html)" |
| 18:00.12 | charon | otherwise if say temp.html contains "foo bar" |
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| 18:00.17 | charon | the line expands to content=foo bar |
| 18:00.22 | charon | which is not what you want |
| 18:01.00 | Kaelten | I do a $content and I get : command not found |
| 18:01.10 | Kaelten | duh forgot to echo |
| 18:02.41 | Kaelten | damn t working ehe |
| 18:02.54 | Kaelten | not working either |
| 18:02.58 | charon | but er... are you sure a shell script is the right solution to your problem? i mean you can do a lot of stuff in bash but you might be better off with python/perl |
| 18:03.11 | Sirow | Anybody knows what "sourcePvP" is for in Parser-3.0 |
| 18:03.11 | Sirow | Is it about the "source" player being in PVP mode or does it mean, that only stuff that was done player to player is recognized? |
| 18:03.42 | Kaelten | what it is is that I have a gawk script that I'm wanting to adapt to pushing a cat of a file to a part of the wiki |
| 18:03.55 | sergio | is there a new chronometer fork or something that works |
| 18:04.00 | sergio | i get a parser lib error |
| 18:04.25 | Thrae | Kaelten: Kaso's KasoBot can do that as an IRC Bot w/ wowwiki, should be directly applicable to wowace' |
| 18:04.26 | Kaelten | what I'd like to be able to do is gawk -v PAGE=pagename -f push.awk temp.html |
| 18:04.40 | Kaelten | Thrae I don't need a bot |
| 18:04.49 | Kaelten | I need something to run right now as part of the restoration efforts |
| 18:05.04 | Thrae | Kaelten: It's a Lua script, you're a Lua coder, you can take out the code and run it command line ^^;; |
| 18:05.05 | tsigo | Does the TOC data template work for the Wiki yet? I can't remember what its name was |
| 18:05.29 | Kaelten | Trhae its not really a lua script |
| 18:05.36 | Kaelten | tsigo: not yet |
| 18:05.46 | Thrae | Kaelten: I'm talking about KasoBot |
| 18:05.49 | Kaelten | Thrae the lua script just fed some stuff into this awk script |
| 18:07.37 | Saroz | is anyone having problems with tablet, you have to spamclick an item several times for the click to take effect? |
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| 18:09.53 | GoldPush| | ehm this is weird i ran WUA2 beta, now i have a dialogframe ontop of my character that has no data on it and cant be moved |
| 18:10.22 | Fin | Kaelten: content=$(<temp.html) |
| 18:10.49 | GoldPush| | and /dump GetMouseFocus():GetName() returns nil |
| 18:10.50 | GoldPush| | wtf |
| 18:11.57 | GoldPush| | ah |
| 18:12.00 | GoldPush| | it's recount gone ot hell |
| 18:13.10 | MoonWolf | WoWRadio is currently hosting an interview with 4 end game guild having a discussion about end game, find out more on http://www.wcradio.com/ |
| 18:14.15 | sylvanaar | is the end game fun? |
| 18:14.38 | MoonWolf | never did endgame, don't know |
| 18:14.48 | MoonWolf | apparently, all those people we make agro mods for play in it. |
| 18:16.12 | Saroz | haha |
| 18:16.19 | Fin | sylvanaar: yes |
| 18:16.42 | sylvanaar | i was in the first end game - but my last guild were a bunch of assholes so it sucked |
| 18:17.04 | Fin | if your guild are arseholes, the game's going to suck |
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| 18:17.23 | Fin | endgame is all about playing with other people |
| 18:17.41 | Fin | hello Adys |
| 18:18.18 | sylvanaar | my friend who was in the guild with me wants me to keep playing, and find a new guild with him, i just wonder is it worth it or not |
| 18:19.05 | Fin | I'd say give it a go |
| 18:19.16 | Fin | a good guild makes the game good |
| 18:20.11 | Fin | the "trial" period should be for both sides of someone joining a guild I reckon |
| 18:20.25 | Fin | s/of/for/ |
| 18:21.11 | Fisker- | die MoonWolf |
| 18:21.24 | Fin | das Blinkenlights |
| 18:21.30 | MoonWolf | eeeuh , why ? |
| 18:21.38 | MoonWolf | when did i start pissing people off ? |
| 18:22.00 | Fisker- | 8 minutes ago :I |
| 18:22.09 | Bibi | is there a mod that let you recast buffs by clicking the buff bar ? |
| 18:22.21 | Bibi | right click cancel the buff, and left click recast it |
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| 18:22.41 | Gagorian | #api UnitDamage |
| 18:22.42 | Fisker- | http://cgi.4chan.org/f/src/wryyyy%205.swf |
| 18:22.42 | ThraeBot | Gagorian: lowDmg, hiDmg, offlowDmg, offhiDmg, posBuff, negBuff, percentmod = UnitDamage("unit");( http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitDamage ) |
| 18:22.42 | Fisker- | hahaha |
| 18:23.00 | Gagorian | #api UnitRangedDamage |
| 18:23.01 | ThraeBot | Gagorian: speed, lowDmg, hiDmg, posBuff, negBuff, percent = UnitRangedDamage("player");( http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitRangedDamage ) |
| 18:23.06 | MoonWolf | Fisker-, what so bad about telling you people about the radio station i work for and what we are talking about , just once ? |
| 18:23.30 | Fin | Thrae: you should ask ThraeBot to add -- before the ( http://... |
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| 18:23.36 | Fisker- | nothing MoonWolf |
| 18:23.37 | Thrae | Fin: I know, I know |
| 18:23.40 | Fisker- | i'm just a wierd person |
| 18:23.41 | Fin | kk :) |
| 18:24.03 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r43227 10DrDamage/Melee.lua: |
| 18:24.03 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 18:24.03 | CIA-22 | - Update on select(2,UnitRangedDamage("player")) changes to pickup ammo change |
| 18:24.13 | Fin | MoonWolf: keep it up, I like hearing about WCRadio "broadcasts" :) |
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| 18:25.18 | Thrae | #api UnitDamage |
| 18:25.19 | ThraeBot | Thrae: lowDmg, hiDmg, offlowDmg, offhiDmg, posBuff, negBuff, percentmod = UnitDamage("unit");-- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitDamage |
| 18:25.25 | Fin | spiff |
| 18:26.02 | Thrae | #api UnitDamage |
| 18:26.02 | ThraeBot | Thrae: lowDmg, hiDmg, offlowDmg, offhiDmg, posBuff, negBuff, percentmod = UnitDamage("unit"); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitDamage |
| 18:26.03 | Fisker- | lua>print("lolwut") |
| 18:26.09 | harldephin | Sh.. SharedMedia-what? .. *confused* |
| 18:26.14 | Thrae | Fin: cladbot's not here |
| 18:26.19 | Fisker- | hah |
| 18:26.23 | Fisker- | you're doing it wrong Thrae |
| 18:26.23 | Fin | Thrae: ? |
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| 18:26.37 | Fin | oh |
| 18:26.39 | Fin | I see |
| 18:26.44 | Thrae | Fin: Eh? |
| 18:26.45 | Fin | Fi<tab> :) |
| 18:26.47 | Thrae | Fisker-: Eh? |
| 18:26.57 | Fin | [20:26:34] < Fisker-> lua>print("lolwut") |
| 18:26.58 | Fin | [20:26:45] < Thrae> Fin: cladbot's not here |
| 18:26.58 | Thrae | Oh |
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| 18:27.08 | Thrae | Fin: Your fault for having a small nickname |
| 18:27.10 | Fisker- | thought it was yours though :( |
| 18:27.42 | Fin | MoonWolf: I hope they re-announce who the interview's with |
| 18:27.47 | Fin | MoonWolf: are you on-air? |
| 18:28.01 | MoonWolf | no, no no, you really do NOT want to hear me talking. |
| 18:28.02 | Fin | Thrae: pfff |
| 18:29.00 | Fin | MoonWolf: you know there's a horrible inbalance between the people online :) one of the people speaking is way too loud, I turned it down and couldn't hear the others properly |
| 18:29.24 | MoonWolf | complain to totalbiscuit. TheMurloc@gmail.com |
| 18:29.28 | Fisker- | btw Thrae the weirdest thing evar :< |
| 18:29.31 | Fin | k |
| 18:29.32 | Fisker- | i got it working |
| 18:29.34 | MoonWolf | he did the interview and edited it. |
| 18:29.49 | Fisker- | But whenever i try to connect to it in any way i just get connection timed out |
| 18:29.57 | Fisker- | logs say that both eth0 and sshd was running |
| 18:30.02 | Fisker- | ping isn't even working :( |
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| 18:31.09 | Gandharva | [2007/07/08 20:29:31-28-x5]: Violation-1.0.42869\Violation.lua:1872: table index is nil |
| 18:31.10 | Thrae | Fisker-: Sounds like a firewall is blocking you |
| 18:31.21 | Fin | gah! this guy speaking now |
| 18:31.23 | Thrae | Maybe gentoo has a default iptables ruleset |
| 18:31.27 | Fin | eet hurts my eeeears |
| 18:31.37 | Thrae | Fin: Goddamn radio talks shows and people ruining them by talking |
| 18:31.50 | Fin | Thrae: ears! my ears! |
| 18:32.11 | Fin | they bleed |
| 18:32.11 | Thrae | Fisker-: You need to get better sound equipment. Check if your audio drivers have "Normalize". |
| 18:32.22 | Fisker- | O_o? |
| 18:32.48 | Thrae | ckknight: Or whatever you're using to play the stream (Winamp has normalize). |
| 18:32.57 | Fin | Thrae: I think it's actually the quality of my headphones, I've recently started using some a Sennheiser set |
| 18:33.09 | Thrae | Kaelten: Yeah, headphones can be a bitch. |
| 18:33.21 | Fisker- | what the hell is going on? |
| 18:33.21 | Fin | s/some a/a nice/ |
| 18:33.30 | Fisker- | ckknight and Kaelten are talking? :P |
| 18:33.42 | Thrae | I'm making fun of when Fin corrected me earlier ;) |
| 18:33.50 | Fin | heheh |
| 18:34.05 | Fisker- | man |
| 18:34.09 | Fisker- | you confused me :( |
| 18:34.13 | Fin | who? |
| 18:34.39 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174759727&sid=1 <-- please people, save the orphaned hispanic African-born quadriplegic children! |
| 18:35.52 | Fisker- | well no iptables installed :o |
| 18:36.11 | Thrae | Fisker-: Lemme check something |
| 18:36.25 | Thrae | Wait, how are you getting what's installed if you can't ssh in? |
| 18:36.29 | sbu | warg |
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| 18:36.41 | sbu | Kaelten: parser-3.0 api doc gone? :o |
| 18:36.59 | Fisker- | Thrae reboot into rescue + chroot :P |
| 18:37.32 | Thrae | Fisker-: Are you using PuTTY? |
| 18:37.33 | Shirik | he's trying to install sshd over ssh :) |
| 18:37.39 | Fin | PieTTY ftw! |
| 18:37.47 | Shirik | I had someone trying to do something similar once,m calling me asking why he can't get in |
| 18:37.48 | Fisker- | yeah Thrae |
| 18:38.05 | Shirik | PuTTY is nice |
| 18:38.18 | Fin | PieTTY is PuTTY++ |
| 18:38.24 | Shirik | Fin-- |
| 18:38.30 | Fin | Shirik-- |
| 18:38.32 | Thrae | Fisker-: Well if you can check stuff, go into /etc/ssh/sshd_config and check to see if the ListenAddress is set. If it is, make sure it's NOT set to the LAN. |
| 18:38.34 | Shirik | Fin-- |
| 18:38.34 | Fin | have you tried PieTTY? |
| 18:38.37 | Fin | Shirik-- |
| 18:38.38 | Shirik | nope |
| 18:38.42 | Fin | case closed |
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| 18:38.48 | Shirik | ~karma Fin |
| 18:38.48 | purl | fin has karma of -1 |
| 18:38.48 | Fisker- | it is Thrae |
| 18:38.49 | Fin | sec |
| 18:38.53 | Shirik | hrm |
| 18:38.56 | Fin | lemme give you a URL |
| 18:38.59 | Fisker- | Jul 8 14:25:05 server r8169: eth0: link up |
| 18:38.59 | Fisker- | Jul 8 14:25:08 server sshd[4561]: Server listening on 88.198.60.19 port 22. |
| 18:39.13 | Biagi | http://biagi.miniville.fr/sec |
| 18:39.24 | Fin | http://ntu.csie.org/~piaip/pietty/stable/pietty0327.exe |
| 18:39.26 | Fin | just try it |
| 18:39.29 | Shirik | don't matter I can't really use it atm |
| 18:39.30 | Thrae | Fisker-: No, that's different from the ListenAddress setting |
| 18:39.40 | Thrae | Fin: That looks like it's in Japanese |
| 18:40.01 | sbu | oh hm |
| 18:40.08 | Thrae | Fisker-: If the ListenAddress is set, make sure it's 0.0.0.0 or commented out |
| 18:40.22 | Fin | I can't read japanese myself |
| 18:40.25 | Fin | being English |
| 18:40.28 | Fisker- | Port 22 |
| 18:40.28 | Fisker- | Protocol 2 |
| 18:40.28 | Fisker- | #AddressFamily any |
| 18:40.28 | Fisker- | ListenAddress 88.198.60.19 |
| 18:40.28 | Fisker- | #ListenAddress :: |
| 18:40.41 | Thrae | Fisker-: Comment out that line |
| 18:40.46 | Thrae | ListenAddress |
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| 18:41.15 | sbu | Fin: integrated keylogger? :/ |
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| 18:41.31 | Fisker- | ListenAddress 88.198.60.19? |
| 18:41.38 | Thrae | Yes |
| 18:42.10 | Thrae | Of course, reload the settings for sshd afterwards |
| 18:43.19 | CIA-22 | 03Leialyn * r43228 10BigWigs/ (BlackTemple/Gurtogg.lua Hyjal/Anetheron.lua): BigWigs: BlackTemple/Hyjal: Anetheron and Gurthogg deDE |
| 18:43.42 | Fisker- | so just go out of the chroot and restart? |
| 18:44.33 | Fin | sbu: oh yeah, sure, I'm well known for recommending applications with integrated keyloggers that I've been using for months :) |
| 18:44.45 | sbu | hah! :P |
| 18:45.04 | sbu | but hm |
| 18:45.09 | sbu | whats > putty? |
| 18:45.15 | Fin | features I use in PieTTY are the ability to save your window placement |
| 18:45.19 | sbu | alphablend and href support rocks, yes |
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| 18:45.33 | Fin | the menu bar, for easier in-session config changing |
| 18:45.44 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.54 | Fin | the alphablend and "glass window" options are nice, I use those for logwatcher sessions |
| 18:46.02 | Fin | the href support I use all the time |
| 18:46.09 | Fin | I hate it now when I can't click URLs in PuTTY |
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| 18:46.26 | dreamss | fyi |
| 18:46.27 | Fin | and the multi-charset support, it's actually useful for me |
| 18:46.30 | dreamss | fuck putty |
| 18:46.34 | dreamss | is all about scrt |
| 18:46.40 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.50 | Fin | I used to use SCRT |
| 18:47.04 | Fin | too bloated for my tastes, the fact that you don't have to install PuTTY spoiled me |
| 18:47.23 | dreamss | i put it on a pgp drive |
| 18:47.25 | Mikk | I like scrt. I hate that it costs shitloads of money. |
| 18:47.29 | dreamss | mount it and i have all my apps |
| 18:47.34 | Thrae | Fin: ? I use UTF-8 w/ PuTTY |
| 18:47.35 | Fin | even from a public terminal in an internet cafe, you can just run it straight from the web page rather than even having to save it somewhere |
| 18:47.46 | dreamss | netstat -l -n -p|grep sshd |
| 18:47.49 | dreamss | fyi |
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| 18:48.10 | dreamss | and could try /etc/rc.d/inet.d/sshd |
| 18:48.14 | Fin | Thrae: I just found some of the other options in PieTTY useful, cos I have to work with a bunch of differently set up servers |
| 18:48.37 | dreamss | im a fan of using keys and not passwords |
| 18:49.01 | trh | ~seen adirelle |
| 18:49.24 | purl | adirelle <n=gperreal@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8h 41m 40s ago, saying: 'anyway, gonna play a little :p'. |
| 18:50.18 | Fin | dreamss: me too |
| 18:50.39 | dreamss | easier to keep track with scrt after u have a alot of servers |
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| 18:50.51 | dreamss | and dont have to memorize 10 passwords |
| 18:50.52 | dreamss | :P |
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| 18:51.15 | stavmar | so i keep getting disconnected in AV, what should i test regarding mods? |
| 18:52.01 | dreamss | when u disc? |
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| 18:54.53 | Cryect | Don't have like 400 combatants in Recount with profiling on I can say in AV but doubt you are doing that (heh found that was causing it to freeze up in AV on leaving combat, turning off profiling it worked fine though) |
| 18:55.41 | sbu | baaah need parser-3.0 api doc |
| 18:55.49 | Nosrac | lol |
| 18:57.08 | ckknight | sbu: yea, if I were to redo it manually, it'd take me a few hours |
| 18:57.11 | aen` | can someone hook me up with a good pally leveling build? |
| 18:57.18 | ckknight | so I'm not doing it right now |
| 18:58.06 | ckknight | sbu: what do you need to know, though? |
| 18:58.42 | sbu | well i think i figured out now... but... its "abilityName" for eventType="Aura" right? |
| 18:58.59 | sbu | (name of the gained buff) |
| 18:59.19 | ckknight | yep |
| 18:59.27 | ckknight | isBuff = true |
| 18:59.34 | ckknight | as well |
| 18:59.43 | sbu | and gain/fade? |
| 18:59.53 | stavmar | dreamss: it seems to be random |
| 19:01.59 | kenlyric | meh, wow doesn't like vista. |
| 19:02.08 | kenlyric | keeps raping my cpu up to 100% |
| 19:02.20 | Nosrac | >< |
| 19:02.28 | sbu | mhmhhm ckknight - how to check if it is buff gain or buff loss? |
| 19:02.49 | sbu | applications 0 or 1? no idea... :o |
| 19:02.50 | ckknight | Aura is a gain |
| 19:02.55 | sbu | ah okay |
| 19:03.03 | Margus | hi ck ^^ |
| 19:03.03 | ckknight | there's Fade or Dispel for loss |
| 19:03.07 | sbu | okay thanks |
| 19:03.07 | ckknight | hey Margus |
| 19:03.16 | Margus | got my message? |
| 19:03.46 | ckknight | nope |
| 19:03.50 | ckknight | oh, that one |
| 19:03.50 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:03.52 | Margus | ^^ |
| 19:03.58 | ckknight | working oni t |
| 19:04.00 | ckknight | it* |
| 19:04.22 | trh | ckknight: maybe it was already told to you: <Droolio> wooh, i managed to reproduce that AceComm error with no fancy table or of my code - /script Nauticus:SendCommMessage("CUSTOM", "Nauticus", 37877649) |
| 19:04.43 | ckknight | hrm |
| 19:04.44 | trh | ckknight: error is something with a non escapable char |
| 19:04.52 | ckknight | lameness |
| 19:04.55 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:05.21 | trh | ckknight: and if you use float numbers sometimes you only get nil on the receivers side.. at least that's what he told |
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| 19:06.14 | sbu | ckknight: okay works with nice sticky clearcasting event for parrot... but hm |
| 19:06.36 | sbu | ofc it still shows up as (+clearcasting) (-clearcasting) aura |
| 19:08.52 | Margus | ckknight: btw. ck, Parrot makes me panties wet! |
| 19:09.05 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:09.12 | sbu | heh yep, its damn sexy ;o |
| 19:09.17 | Keias | How far along is Parrot now? |
| 19:09.52 | sbu | well already using it instead of sct/msbt... :o |
| 19:10.07 | Keias | Hrm, I should give it a shot then |
| 19:10.12 | ckknight | Keias:I still call it alpha |
| 19:10.15 | ckknight | but yes, it's usable |
| 19:10.18 | Keias | awesome |
| 19:10.24 | sbu | oh ckknight, normal font outline = thin looks much better |
| 19:11.11 | Thrae | ~thrae |
| 19:11.12 | purl | it has been said that thrae is awesome. |
| 19:11.23 | ckknight | sbu: well, I want to change the default font to something else |
| 19:11.25 | Thrae | ~pastamancer |
| 19:11.25 | purl | it has been said that pastamancer is one of the authors of grid. |
| 19:11.31 | ckknight | sbu: if you have any ideas, I'd like to hear em |
| 19:11.33 | Thrae | ~Kaelten |
| 19:11.34 | purl | well, kaelten is More RAM is coming..... KAELTEN AWAYYYYYYYY!!! |
| 19:11.40 | Thrae | ~ckknight |
| 19:11.40 | purl | 05:02 <@ckknight> what do I get out of it? |
| 19:11.46 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r43229 10Parrot/ (CombatEvents.lua Display.lua): Parrot - can now edit custom fonts/sizes/outlines for specific events. |
| 19:11.55 | sbu | ckknight: uhm - i really like default settings except outline thing |
| 19:12.05 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:12.09 | CIA-22 | 03funkydude * r43230 10BigWigs/Hyjal/Anetheron.lua: BigWigs: Hyjal/Anetheron: warn who inferno is being cast on |
| 19:12.24 | ckknight | gotta eat |
| 19:12.28 | sbu | ckknight: you need to push registered aura events off the general aura type somehow... |
| 19:12.38 | sbu | for 'clearcasting' and stuff... |
| 19:12.45 | Gnarfoz | argh we fail on gruul |
| 19:12.57 | sbu | Gnarfoz: haha!? :o |
| 19:13.25 | Gnarfoz | sucks :P |
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| 19:18.02 | Ominous | ckknight: is it possible to make parrot show mutulate as one move like msbt as it is 2 hits |
| 19:18.13 | Margus | Gnarfoz: got any FPS problems at gruul when he does GS/Shatter? |
| 19:22.15 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: you know what would be good, a option to actually turn off receiving of KTM data. |
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| 19:23.47 | Gandharva | Antiarc: [2007/07/08 21:19:13-28-x1]: ...s\Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\ThreatMobNameTranslation.lua:149: Conflicting translation for Enchanted Elemental in deDE: old is "Verzauberter Elementar", new is "Unbekannt". Please report to Antiarc.: |
| 19:24.20 | sbu | mhh "Unbekannt" is strange :) |
| 19:24.25 | Margus | ^^ |
| 19:24.58 | syeren | Everyone should just play with the client in English, problem solved ;p |
| 19:25.08 | Kinkx | BigWigs Mind Control warning on Kael'thas doesn't work, says "*** Mind Control: ***" |
| 19:25.09 | CIA-22 | 03hshh * r43231 10PlayerMenu/ (5 files): PlayerMenu: Add extend menu for target, focus and cast spell. |
| 19:27.48 | Margus | deDE client sucks so hard |
| 19:28.04 | Margus | the translations hurt my eyes |
| 19:28.11 | Margus | Ironforge = Eisenschmiede |
| 19:28.13 | Margus | GG |
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| 19:29.22 | Droolio | or Marschen von Dustwallow |
| 19:29.23 | Gnarfoz | Margus: no |
| 19:29.24 | kenlyric | bah. |
| 19:29.26 | kenlyric | just play in english. |
| 19:29.45 | durcyn | foreign languages are for yurpans, we don't need their kind here |
| 19:29.56 | Margus | Gnarfoz: voln just reported some problems to day so I wanted to ask someone else if he also got some problems |
| 19:30.02 | kenlyric | meh, they all know english anyway. |
| 19:30.13 | ckknight | Ominous: how does it show now? |
| 19:30.23 | ckknight | 2 mutilates in a row? |
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| 19:30.45 | voln | ;] |
| 19:30.59 | durcyn | ckknight: hm, is there any way to filter healing in the notification area in parrot? frozen shadoweave procs are insanely spammy |
| 19:31.10 | durcyn | i.e. non-self-only |
| 19:31.30 | Fisker- | man |
| 19:31.34 | Fisker- | that guy sure is stubborn |
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| 19:31.51 | Fisker- | So he has like 5 people posting how wrong he is, and how it really is posting links to several blogs and msdn sites |
| 19:31.54 | ckknight | durcyn: those are HoTs, right? |
| 19:31.59 | ckknight | or what? |
| 19:32.00 | Fisker- | "lolol u be spreading crap kthxbai" |
| 19:32.30 | Ominous | ckknight: yes |
| 19:33.10 | ckknight | Ominous: is it considered a DoT? |
| 19:33.18 | ckknight | or an extra attack thing? |
| 19:33.32 | Ominous | ckknight: no mutulate is just a move which uses both weapons |
| 19:33.40 | Ominous | so appears int he combat log as 2 hits |
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| 19:35.03 | durcyn | ckknight: just a proc |
| 19:35.31 | durcyn | Shadowmend |
| 19:35.42 | durcyn | source is player, though |
| 19:35.47 | Punkie` | Fisker-: which guy? |
| 19:36.11 | sbu | durcyn: mhh not filter, just stack 3-4 heals together |
| 19:36.26 | durcyn | it shows on outbound and notification areas both, is the thing |
| 19:36.43 | durcyn | er, left side, is that in or out? |
| 19:37.01 | Fisker- | Punkie` some guy on the daemon tools forums |
| 19:37.26 | Fisker- | Some guy was talking about why he could only see 2,75GB memory in Windows XP when he had 4GB |
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| 19:37.31 | Kjellviz | hi there |
| 19:37.40 | Fisker- | i told him it was because of the address space used by other devices |
| 19:37.43 | Kjellviz | im looking for a solution to my tracking problems |
| 19:37.48 | Kjellviz | im a druid with mining |
| 19:38.16 | Fisker- | And some guy come and talking about the /3GB switch, and telling us how we're posting crap and bullshit :P |
| 19:38.27 | Kjellviz | anyone know if theres a addon that will make swapping from find minerals to track humanoids when i enter cat, and back when i get out of cat ? |
| 19:38.53 | Fisker- | Then 3-4 other persons post in the thread and tell him he's talking about something different, and we're citing sources and everything |
| 19:39.06 | Fisker- | all he musters is pretty much "You're posting crap, i have no reason to post here anymore" |
| 19:39.13 | Fisker- | so i lol'd |
| 19:39.20 | Roslin | Fisker: There may be item_rack events for that |
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| 19:39.33 | Roslin | Fisker: Or atleast it has the ability to do that... |
| 19:39.54 | Fisker- | Roslin you're talking to Kjellviz :P |
| 19:40.02 | Roslin | Fisker: Oh lol your right :) |
| 19:40.57 | Chompers | it's Fisker |
| 19:40.59 | Chompers | OMGHAI |
| 19:41.06 | Fisker- | oh hai Chompers |
| 19:41.17 | Fisker- | wanna destroy all humans? |
| 19:41.24 | Chompers | perhaps tomorrow |
| 19:41.24 | Kjellviz | rosl |
| 19:41.35 | Kjellviz | Roslin: any idea if outfitter has anything similar ? |
| 19:41.46 | Roslin | Kjellviz: Sorry no idea i've only used Itemrack and Closetgnome |
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| 19:41.52 | Kjellviz | ok |
| 19:42.03 | ckknight | Ominous: hrm... I'll check it out |
| 19:42.21 | Ominous | ckknight: thanks alot |
| 19:42.40 | Droolio | ckknight: dunno if u saw, i'm having some issues with AceComm's number serialisation through custom channels. whisper and raid distributions work fine but custom seems to be borked... |
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| 19:42.41 | Ominous | ckknight: need screenshots of clog / Parrot atm? |
| 19:42.53 | Kjellviz | question about macros, how can i make it skip a step if its not valid ? (like trying to enable track humanoids in casterform) |
| 19:42.56 | ckknight | Droolio: okay, how do I reproduce? |
| 19:43.04 | ckknight | Ominous: nah |
| 19:43.12 | Kjellviz | im trying this macro: /castsequence [nocombat] find minerals, track humanoids |
| 19:43.28 | Droolio | something like: /script Nauticus:SendCommMessage("CUSTOM", "Nauticus", 378776495) |
| 19:43.37 | Kjellviz | and its working fine except if i ever enter casterform with next action being track humanoids |
| 19:43.46 | Kjellviz | then it just gives the error "must be in catform" |
| 19:44.03 | Droolio | it depends on the number tho. 378776495 works fine. 37877649 generates a AceComm-2.0-42001 (Nauticus):2900: SendChatMessage(): Invalid escape code in chat message error |
| 19:44.24 | Droolio | sometimes the receiver will get bad fractional value |
| 19:44.36 | Droolio | like if i use 378776.495 |
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| 19:46.33 | ckknight | Droolio: I can get Nauticus on the svn? |
| 19:46.52 | ckknight | ...nope |
| 19:46.53 | Droolio | nope, it's not yet an Ace addon :) |
| 19:46.59 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:47.03 | ckknight | send me your code |
| 19:47.34 | Droolio | k, sec |
| 19:47.46 | Sirow | ckk: what are the attributes "vulnerableAmount" and "effectName" for in Parser-3.0 |
| 19:48.28 | ckknight | effectName is nothing, never heard of it |
| 19:48.47 | ckknight | vulnerableAmount is how much was added because you're vulnerable to something, e.g. shadow |
| 19:49.52 | Sirow | ckk: effectName is in the last example on http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Parser-3.0 , the one about Notification |
| 19:50.10 | Sirow | (probabl just a typo) |
| 19:50.16 | ckknight | Sirow: that page is very out of date, the wiki crashed and it's 2 months old |
| 19:50.22 | ckknight | Notification no longer exists |
| 19:50.33 | Sirow | ah ok, thx :) |
| 19:51.43 | Azurewrath | bah.. i hate Vashj... |
| 19:52.02 | Margus | Hate Tidewalker ^^ |
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| 19:54.17 | ckknight | Droolio: /script Nauticus:SendCommMessage("CUSTOM", "Nauticus", 378776495) produces no error for me. |
| 19:54.24 | ckknight | Droolio: what version of AceComm do you have? |
| 19:54.28 | ckknight | oh, 42001 |
| 19:54.29 | ckknight | hrm |
| 19:54.31 | Droolio | try |
| 19:54.39 | Droolio | using 37877649 as the value |
| 19:54.59 | Droolio | i've been testing my addon via whisper so far and that working perfectly |
| 19:55.10 | ckknight | okay, Droolio, reproduced |
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| 19:55.19 | Droolio | and tested raid and that seems fine also. but custom is defo borked here |
| 19:55.21 | Droolio | cool |
| 19:55.27 | RaydenUni | hey |
| 19:55.33 | RaydenUni | any idea why cbripoff stopped displaying? |
| 19:55.33 | Kjellviz | can changing of tracking be scripted using some "if" catform or stance = then change to the correct tracking ? |
| 19:55.41 | RaydenUni | i can't access it through deucecommander to fiddle with it |
| 19:55.41 | Droolio | sometimes the receiver will get weird values too |
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| 19:57.10 | trh | http://static.iftk.com.br/mt/2007/07/kwikemart_simpsons_supermarket.html <- awesome ;) |
| 19:57.21 | ckknight | ugh, Droolio, I see the issue |
| 19:57.30 | Droolio | o/ |
| 19:57.52 | ckknight | | got into the stream |
| 19:57.54 | ckknight | and it's protected |
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| 19:59.38 | RaydenUni | the latest WAU crash a lot for anyone else? |
| 19:59.48 | RaydenUni | nearly every time i start it, it crashes the first time i try to update |
| 20:00.07 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 20:00.10 | kenlyric | trh: where is that? |
| 20:00.37 | kenlyric | a jolly rancher is not a sprinkle! |
| 20:00.46 | ckknight | lol |
| 20:00.59 | Fisker- | btw RaydenUni what version you got? |
| 20:01.00 | hyperChipmunk | looks like they took a 7-11 and overhauled it as a promotion for the movie |
| 20:01.07 | kenlyric | yeah, but where? |
| 20:01.10 | RaydenUni | 1.9.18.412 |
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| 20:01.24 | trh | kenlyric: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287578,00.html |
| 20:01.28 | Fisker- | there's 1.9.21 now |
| 20:01.38 | Fisker- | just found out myself :P |
| 20:01.48 | kenlyric | oh god, fox news! |
| 20:01.51 | kenlyric | it touched my computer! |
| 20:02.07 | RaydenUni | odd |
| 20:02.17 | RaydenUni | it was telling me i should update before |
| 20:02.21 | RaydenUni | it's not now |
| 20:03.01 | trh | kenlyric: hehe.. just ignore the url ;) |
| 20:03.08 | Fisker- | yeah but the update is manually made |
| 20:03.15 | Fisker- | so sylvanaar has to do it each time he updates it |
| 20:03.21 | trh | kenlyric: the article isn't bashing the liberal media ;) |
| 20:04.09 | kenlyric | trh: just because I can't get crabs from touching a hooker's arm doesn't mean I want to. |
| 20:04.28 | kenlyric | you know the conspiracy theory right? |
| 20:04.38 | kenlyric | fox network exists so fox news always has something to report on? |
| 20:05.29 | hyperChipmunk | seriously, dude, grow a brain |
| 20:05.56 | trh | kenlyric: hehe |
| 20:06.18 | trh | kenlyric: i though it was that fox airs liberal stuff to get money to fund the republican party :P |
| 20:06.37 | kenlyric | NRA4EVER |
| 20:06.56 | trh | it's said that NRA == KKK |
| 20:07.11 | trh | at least parts of the nra |
| 20:07.18 | kenlyric | that's just one of the many radical right wing messages you'll find every week on The Simpsons |
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| 20:08.15 | trh | nra4ever? couldn't remember to see that every week |
| 20:08.47 | ckknight | it shows up for a split second at the cash register at the beginning |
| 20:08.48 | kenlyric | you obviously aren't much of a fan. |
| 20:08.59 | ckknight | but the premise fails in that subliminal messages are bullshit, kenlyric |
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| 20:09.22 | [FH]Birdemani | player menu is broken with last update |
| 20:09.24 | kenlyric | you do know the cash register doesn't actually say that, right? |
| 20:09.38 | trh | kenlyric: the cash register usually says a value |
| 20:09.45 | hyperChipmunk | it says ERROR or a random value |
| 20:09.46 | trh | kenlyric: i frame grabbed it in some episodes |
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| 20:10.08 | trh | kenlyric: they say in one of those background episodes it shows nra4ever, but it doesnt =) |
| 20:10.10 | kenlyric | i wasn't aware that they ever changed the number. |
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| 20:10.28 | ckknight | trh: the 138th episode spectacular |
| 20:10.52 | Mystiq | what was that IDE someone told me about in here a few days ago? |
| 20:11.43 | hyperChipmunk | ckknight's mom said so |
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| 20:13.45 | Strigoi|LR | ckknight can you check this link please: http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=14085 there is some wierd issue with auras in Pitbull party frames sometimes |
| 20:14.00 | ckknight | no, I won't |
| 20:14.03 | ckknight | you people need to get off my fucking back |
| 20:14.41 | kenlyric | you think people would learn to stop asking him questions. |
| 20:14.49 | kenlyric | I've trained all my users to never ask me anything. |
| 20:14.58 | ckknight | I don't like 10 questions in a 30 minute period |
| 20:15.05 | ckknight | especially when most of it is the same stuff over and over |
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| 20:15.19 | hyperChipmunk | maybe you should stop sucking |
| 20:15.33 | hyperChipmunk | be like kenco; his code is perfect |
| 20:15.40 | Margus | ! |
| 20:15.50 | hyperChipmunk | if you don't believe me, just ask him |
| 20:17.20 | ckknight | I don't get paid for putting up with this shit, so I can choose not to put up with it any time I please |
| 20:17.46 | hyperChipmunk | ~console ckknight |
| 20:17.51 | purl | ACTION gives ckknight the consolation moose |
| 20:19.00 | Fisker- | Strigoi|LR that isn't even pitbull related? |
| 20:19.15 | kenlyric | I get paid, but not to put up with idiots, so I abuse them until they stop coming to me. |
| 20:19.24 | Margus | ^^ |
| 20:19.39 | [FH]Birdemani | http://pastey.net/70496 <<<PlayerMenu is generating these three errors with the newest update |
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| 20:25.58 | ckknight | and I still think the wiki dying is 100% complete bullshit |
| 20:26.05 | ckknight | why the fuck wouldn't there be a backup? |
| 20:26.14 | ckknight | I sure as fuck won't be manually redoing everything |
| 20:26.18 | ckknight | I have better things to do with my time |
| 20:26.39 | hyperChipmunk | are you volunteering to host th wiki? |
| 20:27.33 | ckknight | no, I never said that. If I had known that a situation like this would've happened, I wouldn't've used wowace to host my wiki documents |
| 20:27.37 | ckknight | I'd've likely used wowwiki |
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| 20:28.00 | ckknight | or at least kept backups of my pages |
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| 20:28.11 | ckknight | but no, I thought that we had a proper backup system |
| 20:28.18 | hyperChipmunk | yea, I always keep my wiki pages locally |
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| 20:28.45 | hyperChipmunk | holdover from writing forum posts locally |
| 20:28.45 | Nosrac | Ckknight I assume you'll do that from now on? |
| 20:29.04 | hyperChipmunk | because something ALWAYS happens when you write a long forum post |
| 20:29.09 | ckknight | Nosrac: I'm seriously contemplating moving my docs to wowwiki now |
| 20:29.14 | ckknight | but one bullshit thing: I'd have to redo everything |
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| 20:29.30 | ckknight | which will take an ungodly amount of time |
| 20:29.34 | ckknight | since I write a lot of documentation |
| 20:29.42 | Antiarc | Afternoon all |
| 20:29.46 | hyperChipmunk | well, I'm pretty sure you can bet that mistake won't be made again |
| 20:29.48 | ckknight | hey Antiarc |
| 20:29.57 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk: how can I be seriously guaranteed that? |
| 20:30.02 | Gagorian | Good evenin' Antiarc |
| 20:30.12 | Nosrac | ckknight If you'd like you could do that and I would weekly (or on any big update) update the wowace wiki |
| 20:30.20 | ckknight | we've had DB problems in the past, and backup problems, and I thought it would be fixed then. |
| 20:30.23 | Gagorian | Well, most API documentation pages can be found either in google cache or wayback |
| 20:30.27 | Antiarc | solution: document on wowace or wowwiki and then replicate the page on the other wiki. |
| 20:30.28 | hyperChipmunk | either way, you ought to keep stuff locally |
| 20:30.34 | Antiarc | That way you have two copies out there. |
| 20:30.51 | ckknight | Gagorian: most of the Ace2 docs aren't there or are seriously out of date, even Parser-3.0 is 2 months old and therefore is only 1/4 the size it should be |
| 20:31.04 | Antiarc | I have to redocument Threat, which will be a pain |
| 20:31.06 | Antiarc | However -- |
| 20:31.10 | Nosrac | Gagorian it's not like that for a lot of them as Ckknight just said beating me to it =( |
| 20:31.13 | kenlyric | you assume that wowwiki has a proper backup system. |
| 20:31.17 | Antiarc | I'm kinda considering writing an autodocumentation generator |
| 20:31.27 | hyperChipmunk | how do you have guarantee anywhere else? |
| 20:31.28 | kenlyric | most places assume they have a proper backup system until they need it. |
| 20:31.34 | Antiarc | Shove in a lua file, it shoves out a template in wikicode that you can amend |
| 20:32.01 | ckknight | Antiarc: that'd be interesting |
| 20:32.03 | Cryect | wowwiki is using wikia now |
| 20:32.15 | Cryect | which I would hope for how much they have has a proper backup system |
| 20:33.38 | ckknight | I am seriously pissed off about the wiki situation |
| 20:34.00 | Antiarc | I'd be more pissed off if I hadn't been burned by my own failures to keep backups in the past myself |
| 20:34.00 | ckknight | it means hours upon hours of my time have been utterly wasted |
| 20:34.07 | Antiarc | I don't have any room to criticize. :P |
| 20:34.13 | hyperChipmunk | that never improves anything |
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| 20:34.25 | RogueShadow | I know... And trust me I notice the time you put in ckknight. :) |
| 20:34.34 | Antiarc | I'm frustrated at it too, but hyperChipmunk is right. Being angry won't help anything. |
| 20:34.37 | RogueShadow | And I barely use it |
| 20:34.39 | RogueShadow | lol |
| 20:34.44 | kenlyric | I keep so many copies of stuff it's not funny. |
| 20:34.59 | durcyn | sometimes venting frustration can be very cathartic |
| 20:35.00 | hyperChipmunk | yea, I'm paranoid |
| 20:35.48 | hyperChipmunk | I work hard on something, you can bet it exists in 6 different places =P |
| 20:36.05 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:36.57 | Mystiq | are there any IDEs that can help with creating frames? |
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| 20:40.08 | dodgizzla | Don't mean to bitch around, but how come you don't do a daily dump of the database and ftp it somewhere offsite? :D |
| 20:42.14 | CIA-22 | 03benumbed * r43232 10Sphere/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Sphere: - Added Buttons back, not fully working still tho. |
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| 20:44.31 | kaiden | I don't mean to bitch around either but come on guys, shit happens :) |
| 20:45.18 | kaiden | I had a tech just the other day working in one of my colo facilities in california who i asked to take a patch cable from 1 port on a switch to another port on a switch right above it.. he unplugged everything in both switches |
| 20:45.22 | kaiden | lol |
| 20:45.34 | kenlyric | work in disaster recover for a while. You'll be amazed at the number of people who think they have a backup system in place. |
| 20:45.50 | Nosrac | heh |
| 20:46.02 | kenlyric | and they are, indeed, backing up. |
| 20:46.51 | Chompers | onto the same server? |
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| 20:47.28 | Tornhoof | i had one of those once, he was very proud of backuping his one xen domU to another domU on the same physical machine ;) |
| 20:47.39 | Mystiq | man, im tryin to learn how to use Ace and its a bummer with the website being foobared >< |
| 20:47.41 | kaiden | lol |
| 20:47.54 | kaiden | Mystiq, patience is a virtue |
| 20:48.10 | Mystiq | im mostly just pissed at the ui xml implementation, i HATE xml with a dirty passion |
| 20:48.16 | CIA-22 | 03bayi * r43233 10beql/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 20:48.16 | CIA-22 | beql: |
| 20:48.16 | CIA-22 | - Version 0.86 |
| 20:48.16 | CIA-22 | - Fixed tooltip overlap issue, now tooltips are only displayed if Tracker is the Top frame |
| 20:48.16 | CIA-22 | - Added check for rightclick on Quest remove from tracker, now it doesnt work for Middle, Mouse4, etc. click |
| 20:48.16 | CIA-22 | - Hide Zone names in the tracker if completed all quests in that zone |
| 20:48.18 | CIA-22 | - Added [Y] for Heroic and [H] for Heroic questTag |
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| 20:52.16 | kenlyric | Chompers: no, doing all the right things. |
| 20:52.25 | kenlyric | but, never testing to see if they could properly restore from backup :) |
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| 20:55.37 | Drool | saw some stats on tape backups and that a significant amount fail without warning/error and yup restores rarely are ever tested |
| 20:56.46 | Drool | i use a natty little system called dirvish - does snapshot backups over the internet quite well indeed, even large amounts of data |
| 20:58.05 | kaiden | i'm a confusing person.. i dont find a need to back up :P |
| 20:58.14 | kenlyric | usb flash, usb hdd, home hdd, work hdd, work server, internet server, email account. That's where I backup to. |
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| 20:58.27 | kaiden | then again, i have multiple levels of redundancy so that i shouldn't have the need |
| 20:58.39 | kaiden | parity restoration FTW |
| 20:59.32 | Drool | i've seen raid 5 three-drive systems suddenly develop failures in two drives at the time so never say never ;) |
| 20:59.45 | sylvanaar | house burns down |
| 20:59.57 | Drool | and ofc it don't stop you deleting your own stuff :/ |
| 21:00.21 | kaiden | Did i mention i'm a hermit i have nothing i need to keep |
| 21:00.44 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHdWgES-Uw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgisburne%2Ecom%2Fngcrazy%2Ephp%3Fvid%3D0180 |
| 21:00.47 | kaiden | all of my password lists are stored in my head, so short of having brain damage (again) :P i'm good |
| 21:00.48 | kaiden | hehe |
| 21:01.37 | sylvanaar | Fisker- have you run the latest wau build - or RaydenUni? does it fix the crashes you were getting? |
| 21:01.43 | kenlyric | you have more than 3 passwords? neat. |
| 21:02.08 | sylvanaar | mine are double blind - i dont even know them |
| 21:02.30 | kenlyric | ok, this isn't funny |
| 21:02.33 | kaiden | kenlyric, uhm.. i use many different ones for work and play |
| 21:02.39 | kenlyric | kaiden: sounds like work. |
| 21:02.55 | kenlyric | I use one for work, one for play, and one for crappy places that only allow 8 characters. |
| 21:03.04 | kenlyric | like it's 1973 or something. |
| 21:03.05 | kaiden | i was blessed with that odd ability of remembering those sorts of things easily |
| 21:03.40 | sylvanaar | i use a generator which never lets me see it, just pastes it in for me |
| 21:03.43 | kaiden | i think i have my keycodes for my entire msdn library memorized on top of the 20 or so passwords i use :P |
| 21:03.55 | dodgizzla | Man |
| 21:04.01 | Cryect | what sylvanaar doesn't know it sets his passwords all to 123 |
| 21:04.02 | dodgizzla | I can't believe that crappy loot random generator |
| 21:04.16 | dodgizzla | We downed Gruul and he dropped Pally, Rogue, Shammy.. twice |
| 21:04.19 | kaiden | dodgizzla, computers cannot generate random numbers, no matter how random they seem |
| 21:04.24 | kaiden | :) |
| 21:04.28 | sylvanaar | hehe |
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| 21:04.33 | dodgizzla | Now we downed Void Reaver and what drops? |
| 21:04.42 | dodgizzla | Quelle surprise! Pally Rogue Shammy |
| 21:04.43 | kenlyric | i'm convinced humans don't generate very good random numbers, either. |
| 21:04.44 | dodgizzla | AGAIN twice |
| 21:04.51 | Pkekyo | http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5580/opendx6.jpg <---- can anyone name me the gfx addons on this screenie? |
| 21:04.51 | [dRaCo] | 17! |
| 21:04.55 | haste | 4! |
| 21:04.56 | dodgizzla | ffs just drop one pair of priest shoulders ffs! |
| 21:05.04 | dodgizzla | kaiden: Yes I know, but that's just retarded |
| 21:05.04 | Pkekyo | skinner...whatmore? |
| 21:05.08 | Cryect | computers can generate random numbers if they are sampling something though you of course could argue its not random but more random than an algorithm at least |
| 21:05.13 | kaiden | kenlyric, when a human thinks of a number he thinks of 1 number, a computer thinks of every single one in between |
| 21:05.15 | haste | http://xkcd.com/c221.html |
| 21:05.20 | kaiden | and chooses one with a seed to help it along |
| 21:05.44 | kenlyric | humans also tend to avoid certain numbers. |
| 21:05.48 | kaiden | true |
| 21:05.51 | kenlyric | they avoid multiples of 10 *frequently* |
| 21:05.53 | [dRaCo] | Pkekyo: something like simpleMiniMap |
| 21:06.13 | sylvanaar | zOC1FF%UpH%% thats an example |
| 21:06.14 | Cryect | humans are awful random number generators and they are awful at determining how random a sequence of numbers is |
| 21:06.23 | kaiden | kenlyric, ever seen david copperfield and actually done his little pick a random card or number tricks |
| 21:06.31 | kaiden | that's how "magic" is performed |
| 21:06.33 | Cryect | and love to make conclussions based on really small sample sizes |
| 21:06.39 | Pkekyo | dRaCo: I mean the graphical pieces...the borders etc! |
| 21:06.56 | kenlyric | it's from years of training on multiple choice tests. |
| 21:07.09 | kenlyric | "I've had 4 Bs in a row. It can't be B" |
| 21:07.23 | [dRaCo] | besides skinner? none, I'd guess |
| 21:07.56 | Cryect | They look like the graphical pieces are just gradients |
| 21:08.27 | Pkekyo | I'm specially curious about those borders...I'd like some! |
| 21:09.18 | sylvanaar | it looks like a solid backdrop edge with an alpha mask |
| 21:09.57 | Pkekyo | which in layman's terms translates into? :> |
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| 21:10.24 | Pkekyo | and how to achieve such a result? |
| 21:10.25 | sylvanaar | and another thing notice the gap |
| 21:10.35 | syeren | http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5580/opendx6.jpg |
| 21:10.39 | syeren | That is fucking ugly and stupid. |
| 21:10.42 | syeren | I mean really, eugh. |
| 21:11.27 | kaiden | Pkekyo, it's eePanels using multiple gradients |
| 21:11.29 | Pkekyo | I believe it could look good if_done_properly tbh... |
| 21:11.49 | Pkekyo | eePanels?damnit, gotta learn something new then |
| 21:12.11 | sylvanaar | the borders are backdrop edges |
| 21:12.31 | sylvanaar | the middle is just the scrollingmessageframe |
| 21:12.52 | [gk]Hotphoenix | whats the bagmod? |
| 21:13.02 | Pkekyo | I'd guess all in one inventory |
| 21:13.16 | Pkekyo | no it's not |
| 21:13.31 | [dRaCo] | baggins or sanitybags |
| 21:13.48 | Pkekyo | I just want borders like those on the chatframes... |
| 21:14.29 | sylvanaar | lol, just delete the chatframe background |
| 21:14.39 | Pkekyo | huh? |
| 21:14.41 | sylvanaar | er backdrop |
| 21:15.01 | Pkekyo | ok, now you got me even more confused than I was to begin with |
| 21:15.02 | sylvanaar | the backdrop background texture - delete it |
| 21:15.04 | CIA-22 | 03funkydude * r43234 10LittleWigs/ (6 files in 6 dirs): LittleWigs: revert adirelle's breakage, the addon is LoD and works fine, don't touch it |
| 21:15.33 | Pkekyo | what backdrop background texture? <--- that's why I'm confused |
| 21:15.59 | sylvanaar | oh you are going to have to do some reading first |
| 21:16.13 | kaiden | haha sylv |
| 21:16.14 | kaiden | :) |
| 21:16.26 | kaiden | Pkekyo, play around with it for a few hours you'll get it :) |
| 21:16.36 | Pkekyo | play around with what?! I just want nice looking white borders around my chatframes >_< |
| 21:16.39 | kaiden | just from screwing around you'll learn what all the settings do and figure out how that design was made |
| 21:16.42 | kaiden | eePanels |
| 21:16.59 | kaiden | if you want ANYTHING to do with frames or borders, do them with eePanels |
| 21:17.02 | kaiden | it's really easy to use |
| 21:17.05 | Pkekyo | eePanels ~ DiscordArt? |
| 21:17.17 | sylvanaar | i have never used eepanels, what is it? |
| 21:17.25 | kaiden | considering Lozareth is a slacker and just uses people who visit his site to make him money off his ad system |
| 21:17.28 | sylvanaar | i just use xmlspy |
| 21:17.32 | kaiden | yes.. eePanels is better than DiscordArt |
| 21:17.44 | kaiden | and i apologize if that offended anyone |
| 21:18.37 | kaiden | sylvanaar, eePanels just lets you make frames and customize them |
| 21:18.50 | kaiden | ie, change the border color, and the background color, their strata, width, placement etc |
| 21:19.12 | kaiden | http://www.ohnoes.cc/screenshots/Denarik_01.jpg if you want to see it in action |
| 21:19.22 | sylvanaar | that would be nice - i have been doing it all by hand |
| 21:19.34 | kaiden | those frames at the bottom are created with eePanels |
| 21:19.46 | Pkekyo | kaiden: their strata? |
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| 21:21.34 | Pkekyo | kaiden: what parts of that UI are eePanels? |
| 21:21.36 | sylvanaar | does it only do background? |
| 21:22.06 | kaiden | sylvanaar, for strata? i think if you go into advanced mode you can set it to all the strata |
| 21:22.10 | kaiden | then 10 levels within that strata |
| 21:22.39 | kaiden | Pkekyo, that ui, the pink green and blue and then the grye panels inside them are the panels created with eePanels |
| 21:22.48 | sylvanaar | i need a little help sizing my chat bubbles, maybe this will help |
| 21:22.49 | kaiden | eePanels the name says it all... it creates custom "panels" |
| 21:23.10 | Saroz | Funkeh`, need warning for fucking Fire Quel on Al'ar |
| 21:23.17 | Saroz | except it's nowhere in the combat log :p |
| 21:23.29 | Funkeh` | indeed |
| 21:23.30 | Pkekyo | haha, just got a whisper from some totally unknown guy... "can u plz inv me to ur guild im not a noob anymore" |
| 21:24.02 | kaiden | Pkekyo, ultimate donkey punch him.. |
| 21:24.13 | kaiden | invite him to the guild then dont invite him to any raids |
| 21:24.22 | kaiden | actually i'm not that mean :P |
| 21:25.12 | sylvanaar | kaiden yeah it looks useful, im fooling with it now |
| 21:25.46 | kaiden | i wish it had a better interface and more options |
| 21:26.07 | kaiden | i've been begging someone to create a square border that is kinda like those pink / blue borders that we can change the color of for it |
| 21:26.08 | RaydenUni | <sylvanaar> Fisker- have you run the latest wau build - or RaydenUni? does it fix the crashes you were getting? <-- it seemed to fix it |
| 21:26.11 | Pkekyo | I'm not an officer, sadly >_< |
| 21:26.13 | kaiden | but evil elvis quit the game and wont do it |
| 21:27.32 | sbu | dodgizzla: haha :p |
| 21:27.50 | dodgizzla | sbu: Die a painful death :P |
| 21:27.53 | kaiden | that was random... |
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| 21:28.47 | sbu | dodgizzla: well its priest/druid/warrior x2 evert time on gruul, maulgar and magtheridon ;p |
| 21:28.55 | dodgizzla | BTW, why isn't there ANY addon (besides NECB) that tracks what spells I cast, regardless if I target/focus something first? |
| 21:29.14 | CIA-22 | 03benumbed * r43235 10Sphere/ (Buttons/ Buttons/Buttons.lua SubButtons/SubButtons.lua): Sphere: - Would help if I commited the right file =x |
| 21:29.27 | Keias | dodgizzla, doesn't chronometer do that? |
| 21:29.32 | dodgizzla | Quartz and ClassTimers already track those, but only for your target/focus and that sucks balls kinda |
| 21:29.41 | dodgizzla | Keias: I thought Chronometer was bugged since 2.1? |
| 21:29.41 | sbu | dodgizzla: last time we didnt even loot 2nd token... |
| 21:29.52 | dodgizzla | Never tried it, since I also don't like the looks :D |
| 21:30.01 | dodgizzla | sbu: Die a painful death in a fire! :P |
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| 21:31.11 | dodgizzla | sbu: You don't happen to know when exactly the Darkmoon Faire opens in EU? |
| 21:31.32 | Elkano | should be marked on the EU page... |
| 21:31.46 | dodgizzla | I know it opens July 9th |
| 21:31.51 | dodgizzla | Which is in about 30 minutes :D |
| 21:31.56 | dodgizzla | I just don't know the time |
| 21:31.59 | trh | dodgizzla: 4am servertime |
| 21:32.04 | dodgizzla | And I needs my Darkmoon Card: Crusade bad |
| 21:32.10 | dodgizzla | Urks.. |
| 21:32.19 | trh | me want crusade and lunacy too |
| 21:32.26 | trh | but me wait till tmw |
| 21:33.05 | [dRaCo] | I want that madness thingy, too |
| 21:33.36 | kaiden | and here i just want a good time |
| 21:33.40 | kaiden | madness and lunacy included |
| 21:35.27 | xyu | How does wowjutsu work? what if you down a boss and don't equip the loot you get, does it still keep track of it? |
| 21:35.58 | sylvanaar | i cant get it to draw a backdrop properly |
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| 21:37.34 | CIA-22 | 03benumbed * r43236 10Sphere/ (10 files in 7 dirs): Sphere: - Added Keywords back |
| 21:38.33 | Prophh | is there a / command i can type to talk to an NPC? |
| 21:38.40 | Prophh | or join battle |
| 21:41.43 | durcyn | Prophh: only to join battle. see LightQueue in the svn |
| 21:43.28 | Saroz | ckknight, ping |
| 21:43.55 | ckknight | Saroz: pong |
| 21:44.26 | Saroz | ckknight, in cowtip, why cant tooltips anchor to the frame/actionbar you are hoving over? |
| 21:44.46 | ckknight | they could, theoretically |
| 21:44.57 | Saroz | you can only select screen" |
| 21:45.02 | Saroz | you can only select "screen" and "cursor" |
| 21:46.05 | sylvanaar | lotta work getting them not to overlap something else no doubt |
| 21:46.07 | Saroz | cant make it feel like tinytip otherwise :| |
| 21:47.31 | sylvanaar | hrm i dont think eepanels does backdrops correctly or something, i set the edge, and it uses it for background instead |
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| 21:49.51 | CIA-22 | 03benumbed * r43237 10Sphere/SubButtons/SubButtons.lua: Sphere: -Fixed Color from db bug |
| 21:50.54 | sylvanaar | ok, i need to reread how to size frames when you create them - mine dont size correctly until the second time they are shown -need to figure out why |
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| 21:53.34 | Kirkburn | Mikk, question! |
| 21:54.00 | Kirkburn | Any idea where the WoWWiki logo came from? Angela from Wikia is asking about it on your user page |
| 21:54.19 | AnduinLothar | donated and voted on, neh? |
| 21:54.48 | Benumbed | ckknight, parrot do boss events yet? |
| 21:55.13 | Kirkburn | Al? |
| 21:55.41 | AnduinLothar | wasn't there a vote on what logo to use back int he day? |
| 21:55.47 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 21:55.55 | Kirkburn | Been looking through the votes, can't find a source :/ |
| 21:56.11 | AnduinLothar | check the image and look at revision history |
| 21:56.20 | Kirkburn | It has one (1) revision :P |
| 21:56.29 | Kirkburn | By Mikk, where he fixed the bg |
| 22:00.58 | CIA-22 | 03benumbed * r43238 10Sphere/ (Buttons/Buttons.lua SubButtons/SubButtons.lua): Sphere: - Yet another try at fixing the colors |
| 22:01.31 | sbu | Benumbed: boss events? |
| 22:01.35 | sbu | in combat text? |
| 22:02.24 | Benumbed | yea |
| 22:02.37 | Benumbed | raid warnings or w/e window they went to |
| 22:02.53 | Benumbed | think thats what sct used, didnt use msbt or w/e its called |
| 22:03.08 | Arrowmaster | would need an option for parrot added to bigwigs |
| 22:03.19 | Prophh | is there a / command i can type to talk to an NPC? to join battle or |
| 22:03.30 | Benumbed | ahh, didnt know how it worked |
| 22:03.53 | Benumbed | thought it just read raid warning and sct or w/e hooked into it to put into sct message frame |
| 22:07.26 | Mikk | Kirkburn: the wowwiki icon you mean? i think it's silverwhatshisnames |
| 22:07.56 | Mikk | from the very first round of icons |
| 22:08.00 | Mikk | waaaaaaaaaaay back in the day |
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| 22:09.04 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 22:15.56 | abug | I didn't restore everything o.o |
| 22:16.07 | abug | I just retagged what old stuff I could find |
| 22:17.55 | Arrowmaster | grr so much trouble with lurker, damn guardians teleporting around |
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| 22:19.05 | ckknight | Benumbed: boss events? |
| 22:19.49 | Benumbed | raid warnings |
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| 22:22.02 | Benumbed | arrow answered it, bigwigs does it...not sct |
| 22:23.11 | nevcairiel | whats the recommended mod for customized bag/bank display? with categories et al |
| 22:23.16 | nevcairiel | i dont want to test like 5 :P |
| 22:23.26 | AnduinLothar | Baggins or ArkInventory |
| 22:23.28 | Benumbed | arkinventory i think |
| 22:23.30 | sbu | using arkinventory |
| 22:23.50 | AnduinLothar | ArkInventory's easier to set up. Baggins has more options |
| 22:24.49 | CIA-22 | 03nekromant * r43239 10beql/locales/localization-es.lua: beql: - Updated spanish localization |
| 22:25.15 | sylvanaar | wowwiki always seems to go down right when i am looking something up |
| 22:25.44 | theoddone33 | is it possible to make a mod that puts a message in the center of your screen every time mineral tracking spots a new node? |
| 22:26.00 | nevcairiel | no |
| 22:26.06 | theoddone33 | k |
| 22:26.36 | Benumbed | thought there was, or that change in secure code? |
| 22:26.57 | sylvanaar | there may be, but it would require constant polling |
| 22:27.01 | Benumbed | thought there was one that would list all the ppl's names that hunters could see on map |
| 22:27.01 | Ominous | lua socket for lua5.0 dosent work with 5.1 does it? |
| 22:27.27 | sylvanaar | when you mouse over them? |
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| 22:27.44 | Benumbed | no it would instantly fill list with the names in a box |
| 22:27.59 | Benumbed | but saw this months ago, probably before secure code |
| 22:28.19 | theoddone33 | that'd be pretty cool |
| 22:28.30 | theoddone33 | but I'd go one step further and put interact lines from the name to the dot :P |
| 22:29.21 | theoddone33 | it could update every 5 seconds or so |
| 22:29.47 | sylvanaar | i think one way it was done was making it extremely small and placing it under the cursor or something which you had to be moving |
| 22:30.35 | theoddone33 | oh man |
| 22:30.38 | theoddone33 | if you could do that |
| 22:30.53 | theoddone33 | what would be awesome is getting the direction you're facing + minimap zoom |
| 22:31.03 | theoddone33 | and then put tracked stuff in like a HUD type display with the distance |
| 22:31.20 | theoddone33 | like a circle, and as you turn it'd update |
| 22:31.30 | theoddone33 | all very cpu intensive I know, but that'd be awesome |
| 22:33.24 | theoddone33 | hm I wonder if I can solo MC attunement at 66 |
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| 22:34.28 | Gagorian | Can any enchancement shaman run a command for me? |
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| 22:36.37 | Pkekyo | ok, I've got two questions...I want this art: http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/megabigmic/WoWScrnShot_070307_105455.jpg howto? |
| 22:36.38 | Pkekyo | http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5983/uhohsv8.jpg <--- those things over player's head (class, name etc...) what is it? |
| 22:37.13 | clad|away | Pkekyo: Likely aloft, if not, aloft can do it. |
| 22:37.16 | clad|away | for the second one. |
| 22:37.31 | clad|away | I've not seen that art before tho, its nice.. I like it =) |
| 22:38.28 | sylvanaar | yeah, pretty |
| 22:41.14 | sylvanaar | clad|away do you know offhand how to size a frame so it expands to fit a single fontstring. mine size correctly only after being shown once - which means i forgot somethign |
| 22:41.47 | clad|away | sylvanaar: Hrm... so you have a frame, with a fontstring in one of the layers? |
| 22:41.52 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 22:42.23 | clad|away | I think you need to manually resize it after you change the text, I'm not sure you can do it with anchors |
| 22:42.26 | clad|away | If you find another way, lemme know =) |
| 22:42.32 | roknir | does anyone know anything about inflight? |
| 22:42.37 | sylvanaar | http://derey.home.mindspring.com/wowscrnshot_070707_054023.jpg |
| 22:43.09 | clad|away | heheh hawt |
| 22:43.27 | clad|away | well is that a texture? |
| 22:43.32 | clad|away | why not have a frame with no visuals |
| 22:43.37 | clad|away | that contains a texture and a fontstring. |
| 22:43.38 | sylvanaar | yeah the text doesnt seem to change the frame size until after you show the text once or something (i remember there being a rule like that) |
| 22:43.47 | clad|away | anchor the fontstring to the center of the frame, and anchor the textures to the fontstring |
| 22:44.04 | clad|away | that's the easiest way i know how to get around it, or set things up |
| 22:47.00 | Gagorian | Does anyone know what GetWeaponEnchantInfo() returns for weapons with windfury? |
| 22:47.08 | Gagorian | #GetWeaponEnchantInfo |
| 22:47.15 | Gagorian | #api GetWeaponEnchantInfo |
| 22:47.16 | ThraeBot | Gagorian: hasMainHandEnchant = 1(true) or nil -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetWeaponEnchantInfo |
| 22:47.49 | nevcairiel | will prolly return the same stuff as for poisons |
| 22:47.49 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 22:48.50 | nevcairiel | anyway, off for the night, laters |
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| 22:52.15 | Gagorian | It's pretty useless. Is there any other API calls to get weapon enchants? |
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| 22:53.24 | ckknight | Gagorian: no, Parrot has to do it through tooltips |
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| 22:53.50 | Gagorian | On what event do you scan tooltips? |
| 22:54.27 | Pkekyo | I want this art: http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c346/megabigmic/WoWScrnShot_070307_105455.jpg howto? |
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| 22:55.51 | durcyn | Pkekyo: you have to locate the textures |
| 22:56.02 | durcyn | Pkekyo: was that linked from anywhere specific? |
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| 22:57.26 | Pkekyo | err...wowforums rate my UI thread |
| 22:58.17 | Gagorian | Parrot_CombatEvents:ScheduleRepeatingEvent("Parrot_CombatEvents:ItemBuffCheck", Parrot_CombatEvents.ItemBuffCheck, 0.2, Parrot_CombatEvents) |
| 22:58.19 | Gagorian | kek :f |
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| 22:58.56 | Mystiq | #wowi and #wowwiki are both dead, anyone here up for helping a newb? |
| 22:59.01 | Mystiq | http://wowi.pastey.net/70502 |
| 22:59.52 | ckknight | what's the issue? |
| 23:00.11 | Nosrac | Am I correct in thinking that '\\' should be '\' in the files :-? |
| 23:00.12 | Mystiq | nothing shows up, its supposed to give me a raid frame with one unit in it |
| 23:00.18 | roknir | Parrot_CombatEvents.ItemBuffCheck should be Parrot_CombatEvents:ItemBuffCheck maybe? |
| 23:00.20 | ckknight | Mystiq: you have to do :SetBackdrop, not .backdrop = |
| 23:00.34 | Mystiq | i copied that right out of PerfectRaid, figures |
| 23:00.41 | Nosrac | lol |
| 23:00.48 | cladhaire | Mystiq: You're using the template incorrectly, you shouldn't be making the button right there |
| 23:00.52 | ckknight | roknir: no, actually |
| 23:01.04 | cladhaire | And that code is correct for what I use it for, |
| 23:01.12 | cladhaire | when taken out of context, its silly, of course =) |
| 23:01.21 | Mystiq | i just want something to show up, whether its incorrect or i dont care atm, i just want to see something |
| 23:01.33 | cladhaire | then don't make a SecureRaidGroupTemplate, just make a basic Frame |
| 23:01.36 | cladhaire | get it how you want it to look |
| 23:01.42 | cladhaire | then move it into a template when you fully understand how they work |
| 23:01.57 | Gagorian | roknir: Nah, I just answered my own question |
| 23:01.57 | cladhaire | Once you get to that point, plugging frames into the template is a bit easier. |
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| 23:02.28 | Gagorian | ckknight: Do you know if any event triggers when an item buff is applied? |
| 23:02.37 | ckknight | none do |
| 23:02.53 | cladhaire | i think tekkub asked for some, but Slouken said it still wasn't possible or probable |
| 23:02.56 | ckknight | I checked |
| 23:03.09 | Gagorian | Well, that's just shit on blizzard's part |
| 23:03.42 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 23:03.52 | Nosrac | sure is >< |
| 23:04.57 | dylanm | Pkekyo: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6712-FairyTaleStyleusingXArt.html |
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| 23:08.17 | Nosrac | dylamm thats pretty cool looking |
| 23:08.23 | Nosrac | dylanm* |
| 23:08.31 | Nosrac | Dang it he left >< |
| 23:08.54 | CIA-22 | 03sayclub * r43240 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/NPCModules/BlackTemple/Bloodboil.lua: Threat-1.0: Updated koKR |
| 23:09.23 | tsigo | really? SimpleCombatLog has an item buff entry, wonder where that's coming from |
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| 23:10.02 | sylvanaar | gah, i need to add an onshow handler i think |
| 23:11.06 | CIA-22 | 03sayclub * r43241 10Grid/GridLocale-koKR.lua: Grid: koKR Update |
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| 23:13.25 | Pkekyo | dylan: thanks, lifesaver! now I just gotta figure out how to work it |
| 23:15.19 | Spiffy | is the WoWAce API reference down atm? there doesnt appear to be anything on the AceEvent page |
| 23:15.22 | kaiden | Pkekyo, fair warning.. those textures while pretty are very .. tough to use :P |
| 23:15.30 | kaiden | lots of screen real estate gone due to them |
| 23:15.42 | kaiden | #api AceEvent |
| 23:15.43 | ThraeBot | Could not find anything relevant, kaiden |
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| 23:16.16 | kaiden | Spiffy, i'm sure they are still rebuilding it |
| 23:16.21 | kaiden | after it being destroyed this past week |
| 23:16.24 | Spiffy | ah ok |
| 23:16.25 | kaiden | if you look on the main page it's explained |
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| 23:16.58 | CIA-22 | 03sayclub * r43242 10Proximo/localization-koKR.lua: |
| 23:16.58 | CIA-22 | Proximo : |
| 23:16.58 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.43 | theoddone33 | leveling mining is painful |
| 23:17.51 | theoddone33 | I'm finding more rich thorium veins than small ones |
| 23:17.52 | kaiden | it gets easy at 295 |
| 23:18.02 | theoddone33 | oh yeah, absolutely |
| 23:18.20 | theoddone33 | at 270 I'm gonna find someone to chain run dm east with me I Think |
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| 23:19.07 | kaiden | uhm.. just get +5 mining and go start getting your rich thoriums |
| 23:19.08 | kaiden | :P |
| 23:19.27 | theoddone33 | a dm east run is 15 minutes and 3 guaranteed skill points |
| 23:19.37 | theoddone33 | but yeah maybe that's not as efficient |
| 23:19.39 | Pkekyo | kaiden: what do you mean? like... hard to set up? |
| 23:20.18 | kaiden | Pkekyo, uhm.. lol.. i said exactly what i meant :) it's very... bleh to use due to how much room it takes up for the rest of your ui items that you need |
| 23:20.22 | kaiden | or most people need at least |
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| 23:24.09 | Pkekyo | aso basicly....alot of 'lost' space? |
| 23:24.39 | Pkekyo | don't think that'll be much of a problem for me, as I have a HUGE wide-open space clear from addons (except hud and SCT) around my char |
| 23:24.56 | Pkekyo | and buttloads of addons around :> won't be much of a change, methinks |
| 23:27.56 | Pkekyo | kaiden still around? |
| 23:29.40 | kaiden | no, i'm afk |
| 23:29.59 | Prophh | is there a / command i can type to talk to an NPC?h |
| 23:30.23 | Mikk | no |
| 23:30.39 | Pkekyo | "ability not ready yet, you are too far away, not enough rage" <--- anyone know a way to get rid of that spam? |
| 23:30.39 | Pkekyo | kaiden: know how to install this texture thingie? |
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| 23:31.57 | Mikk | Pkekyo: errormonster |
| 23:33.20 | Pkekyo | thought it was possible to just write some /-command? |
| 23:34.06 | Thorgard | Meh.. Blizzard must've messed up the servers during the 'restart' this morning. :/ |
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| 23:34.24 | Thorgard | Having 'Open Beta'-style loot lag and all kinds of crap. |
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| 23:36.09 | CIA-22 | 03antiarc * r43243 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0.lua: Threat-1.0: Added stuff for autodoc parsing. Mostly committing this as a reference for others. |
| 23:36.21 | break19 | its not a bliz problem |
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| 23:36.36 | roknir | does anyone know anything about InFlight? |
| 23:36.52 | break19 | its a isp problem |
| 23:36.52 | kaiden | what's there to know |
| 23:36.56 | kaiden | it makes a bar when you fly |
| 23:37.03 | break19 | run a traceroute to em. |
| 23:37.04 | roknir | ok heres what im talking about more specifically |
| 23:37.12 | roknir | im using inflight and quartz |
| 23:37.40 | Pkekyo | rumors has it a new legendary dropped on our server... |
| 23:37.50 | Pkekyo | [Swift White War Sheep] |
| 23:38.10 | roknir | and quartz ties into inflight and makes its own nice looking bar that is incorporated into quartz... but the inflight bar still shows and it is ignorant to have both of those bars showing... how do i hide the inflight bar but not disable the inflight addon? |
| 23:38.10 | Antiarc | screens of GetItemInfo or it didn't happen |
| 23:38.49 | kaiden | has blizzard ever releasing info of any world legendary drops |
| 23:38.59 | kaiden | that are just so unbelievably rare that there will most likely only ever be 1 drop |
| 23:40.13 | theoddone33 | heh yeah |
| 23:40.22 | theoddone33 | item number please |
| 23:40.36 | kaiden | releasing = released :P |
| 23:41.03 | Pkekyo | holy shit...76MiB mem usage >_< |
| 23:41.37 | theoddone33 | I need someone to get another atiesh so I can start linking andionisus again or whatever it was |
| 23:41.40 | aen` | whats a good leveling build |
| 23:41.52 | Pkekyo | aen: for what class? |
| 23:41.54 | kaiden | aen`, ... |
| 23:42.03 | kaiden | you honestly dont expect people to be psychic do ya? |
| 23:42.11 | Pkekyo | - I do! |
| 23:42.12 | Nosrac | for what class ;-P? |
| 23:42.13 | Nosrac | lol |
| 23:42.25 | starlon | pew pew spec |
| 23:42.29 | theoddone33 | it doesn't matter, good leveling build is the one that kills stuff quickest |
| 23:42.30 | Aiiane | roknir: not sure if inflight has that option |
| 23:42.43 | Pkekyo | 20/19/20 is a safe and awesome specc whatever the class! |
| 23:42.51 | Nosrac | You could manually make it hidden by default ;-P |
| 23:43.03 | Nosrac | Ehhh I disagree Pkekyo |
| 23:43.09 | roknir | how would i go about that? |
| 23:43.09 | Aiiane | Pkekyo: priests beg to disagree ;) |
| 23:43.15 | Nosrac | I prefer 21/21/17 |
| 23:43.39 | break19 | rogue = 0/45/16 :p |
| 23:43.44 | kaiden | pfft.. screw that.. use a private server and just give yourself the talent points to get them all! |
| 23:43.46 | kaiden | lol |
| 23:43.52 | theoddone33 | oh man |
| 23:43.54 | break19 | ghostly strike :) |
| 23:43.54 | Thorgard | break19, it's a Blizz problem. ;P |
| 23:43.56 | theoddone33 | that'd be so much fun |
| 23:44.00 | Nosrac | That's the belief of a true gamer! |
| 23:44.51 | Thorgard | "We are currently aware of the latency affecting the mailing and looting systems on specific realms within the Nightfall battlegroup, and are actively working to resolve this issue as soon as possible. " Dun dun dun |
| 23:45.06 | theoddone33 | premed cheapshot cold blood eviscerate adrenaline rush blade fury |
| 23:46.17 | break19 | but thor - it doesnt mean its THEIR problem... otherwise they'd take the server down.. they're prolly chewin out their provider :p |
| 23:46.43 | break19 | i mean, cuz im also having problems with a vent server in the same geographical area |
| 23:46.53 | Nosrac | Hmm! |
| 23:46.56 | aen` | oops |
| 23:46.58 | aen` | for paladin |
| 23:47.03 | aen` | paladin leveling build |
| 23:47.11 | aen` | made an alt :o |
| 23:47.12 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 23:47.16 | theoddone33 | I respecced every 10 levels |
| 23:47.29 | theoddone33 | retribution til 35 though |
| 23:47.30 | break19 | whatever the problem is, I hope its fixed soon.. my wife is driving me crazy with all the bitching she's doing about it |
| 23:47.33 | theoddone33 | then you have choices |
| 23:47.34 | Thorgard | " As an update, our Database Administrators have been contacted regarding the latency issues currently being experienced by the Nightfall Battlegroup; while no updates are yet available regarding the progress of their research, we shall keep you apprised of any developments. For now, folks, I'd like to thank you for exhibiting such continued patience and understanding while our investigation is underway." ;P |
| 23:47.38 | kaiden | the absolute best a paladin build is feral druid |
| 23:48.01 | kaiden | :) |
| 23:48.22 | break19 | aen: i honestly prefer prot pally.. hard to kill, take on multis just fine |
| 23:48.30 | theoddone33 | yeah |
| 23:48.33 | theoddone33 | after 35 though |
| 23:48.38 | break19 | bah. |
| 23:48.39 | kaiden | i was being honest too |
| 23:48.44 | kaiden | i leveled my paladin with my feral druid |
| 23:48.45 | kaiden | was cake |
| 23:48.53 | aen` | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=qZZEfct |
| 23:48.56 | aen` | this is what i have so far |
| 23:49.03 | theoddone33 | I did prot for most of 30-60 |
| 23:49.08 | break19 | i got a 19 prot pally love it |
| 23:49.25 | Thorgard | What's a nice Rogue leveling build? Combat Swords? |
| 23:49.27 | aen` | i have my priest as a healbot out of party |
| 23:49.31 | aen` | so i just want dps, pew pew |
| 23:49.58 | theoddone33 | retribution is the best straight dps at lower levels |
| 23:49.59 | break19 | thorg: mine was |
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| 23:50.13 | theoddone33 | protection is the best dps if you fight 3+ mobs at once |
| 23:50.15 | theoddone33 | which is a lot of fun |
| 23:50.24 | theoddone33 | so it turns out to be more fun to level asp rot |
| 23:50.33 | break19 | Thorgard: actually. I was combat mace+riposte for levelling |
| 23:51.03 | break19 | then went thru every build imaginable before settling on swords just recently.. i might do it again, but it'll cost me 30g to respec if I do :p |
| 23:51.27 | theoddone33 | I hear 2h reckoning builds are pretty good too though |
| 23:51.34 | theoddone33 | I did that for about 8 levels |
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| 23:52.10 | theoddone33 | now I'm 66 and doing 2h holy |
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| 23:54.39 | Pkekyo | awesome...I managed to crash explorer.exe, and weren't able to terminate the process >_< |
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| 23:54.45 | RogueShadow | I think I finally decided on swords. |
| 23:54.51 | RogueShadow | becuase I keep getting good swords... |
| 23:54.52 | Pkekyo | or task or wtf it is in english* |
| 23:58.14 | break19 | its process :p |
| 23:58.22 | break19 | OR task |
| 23:58.24 | break19 | heh |
| 23:58.32 | break19 | process is a better word for it tho |
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