| 00:00.27 | Chompers | my paladin just hit 70 |
| 00:00.36 | Chompers | really worth it ckk, healings great fun |
| 00:00.47 | ckknight | :-) |
| 00:00.58 | Chompers | and tier 4 looks great on a paladin |
| 00:03.45 | *** join/#wowace Yssaril (n=chatzill@adsl-76-238-7-153.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:04.37 | Yssaril | anyone know of to lock down an editbox (so that it does not accept any input and you cant select it) like you can disable a checkbox? |
| 00:05.49 | Nargiddley` | disable mouse and clear focus is what i do in waterfall from memory |
| 00:07.05 | ckknight | Yssaril: I also turn the text gray and the underline, as well as what Nargiddley` said |
| 00:07.11 | ckknight | alright, cya all later, battery's dying |
| 00:07.40 | Kaelten | if all goes well we'll be ditching trac soon |
| 00:08.05 | ckknight | :-) |
| 00:08.09 | Kaelten | I would like to bring to everyone's attention jira.wowace.com |
| 00:08.12 | Yssaril | k thanks guys that should work |
| 00:08.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: ugh. i loath jira |
| 00:08.22 | Yssaril | ckknight: i figured out my wiered acelib problem |
| 00:08.30 | ckknight | Yssaril: what's that? |
| 00:08.36 | ckknight | I'm at 0% battery |
| 00:08.41 | NightHawkTheSane | we use it at work, and it's just so massively bloated and overcomplex. |
| 00:08.51 | Yssaril | aperantly AceDB didnt lyke me assigning anything to the 0 index of a table |
| 00:08.54 | Kaelten | hrm, I've found it very nice |
| 00:09.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: it may very well be that it's just configured poorly for us, but I've found it a real pain to use. It really overcomplicates things for me. |
| 00:09.27 | Kaelten | suprisingly |
| 00:09.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Also, got a demo user/pass? or should I just sign up normally? :P |
| 00:09.43 | Kaelten | sign up normally |
| 00:09.50 | Kaelten | I'm going to try to get ldap running |
| 00:09.57 | Kaelten | so that we can have everythign sane |
| 00:10.00 | Kaelten | but until then |
| 00:10.54 | Yssaril | Nargiddley`: is this what u used "Frame:EnableMouse(enableFlag) - Set whether this frame will get mouse input. PROTECTED as of 2.0" ?? and if so what does it mean that it is protected |
| 00:11.36 | Shirik | yeah, wowwiki is very wrong about that |
| 00:11.41 | Shirik | I meant to correct that today |
| 00:11.48 | Shirik | it only can't be called in combat |
| 00:11.49 | Nargiddley` | Yssaril, can't be called in combat |
| 00:12.01 | Kaelten | also anyone who wants to check out LibStub please do |
| 00:12.09 | Kaelten | http://jira.wowace.com/browse/LS |
| 00:12.55 | Yssaril | so i can call it whenever and it jsut wont work in combat or do i have to protect myself so that it does not use it in combat? |
| 00:13.07 | Nargiddley` | it silently fails in combat |
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| 00:13.18 | Yssaril | k cool |
| 00:13.24 | Arrowmaster | i doubt its silent |
| 00:13.59 | Nargiddley` | theres an event, but it doesnt error |
| 00:14.39 | Arrowmaster | its still better to check InCombatLockdown() yourself imho and only call it when your allowed |
| 00:14.46 | Nargiddley` | its best to protect against it so you know when its going to fail |
| 00:15.00 | Shirik | it's not silent |
| 00:15.09 | Shirik | and some people will get mad at you (i.e., me) who actually watch those messages |
| 00:15.23 | Shirik | and then remove your addon because it's spamming me with errors |
| 00:15.25 | Yssaril | might i be better of to jsut check if somone is clicking the box and then clear the focus right away? |
| 00:16.07 | Shirik | erm |
| 00:16.12 | Shirik | you can't call ClearFocus() if that's what you mean |
| 00:16.56 | Yssaril | hmmm |
| 00:16.59 | Shirik | you can create a secure frame to run /clearfocus if you want |
| 00:17.24 | Shirik | but that doesn't make you any more able to call EnableMouse in combat |
| 00:17.30 | Shirik | you can do something like /clearfocus [combat] though |
| 00:17.32 | Shirik | as a macro script |
| 00:17.41 | Shirik | which will effectively disable the button while in combat |
| 00:17.48 | Shirik | but it won't click through to something behind it |
| 00:17.57 | sica | hmm... is there a way to autoloot a prospecting/disenchanting window? |
| 00:18.52 | ZealotOnAStick | Antiarc: ping |
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| 00:20.09 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 00:20.38 | ckknight | alright |
| 00:20.40 | ckknight | what was the issue, Yssaril? |
| 00:21.13 | ckknight | oh, if you use a [0] index in AceDB, it tries to deserialize it as an AceOO object |
| 00:21.33 | Yssaril | yep thats what i did :P |
| 00:21.57 | Yssaril | will the same thing happen in joker? |
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| 00:23.46 | ckknight | no banana, Yssaril |
| 00:24.08 | ckknight | no |
| 00:24.10 | Yssaril | wooot freedom for the 0 index woot |
| 00:26.39 | Yssaril | this kinda works to lock down an edit box |
| 00:27.00 | Yssaril | can still "highlight" text in it but not change any |
| 00:27.11 | Yssaril | http://ace.pastey.net/72644 |
| 00:27.41 | ckknight | :EnableMouse(false) |
| 00:28.57 | Kaelten | can someone who doesn't have an account see this? |
| 00:28.58 | Kaelten | http://jira.wowace.com/sr/jira.issueviews:searchrequest-rss/temp/SearchRequest.xml?&pid=10010&resolution=-1&priority=3&sorter/field=issuekey&sorter/order=DESC&tempMax=1000 |
| 00:30.37 | kenlyric | it wants me to add a bookmark |
| 00:30.55 | kenlyric | empty rss feed? |
| 00:30.55 | ckknight | it's an rss feed |
| 00:31.32 | kenlyric | so no, I can't see any articles. |
| 00:31.34 | Kaelten | oh guys check this out. |
| 00:31.37 | Kaelten | fish.wowace.com |
| 00:31.50 | Kaelten | or more specifically |
| 00:31.50 | Kaelten | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce |
| 00:34.45 | kenlyric | dang. |
| 00:35.13 | Kaelten | kenlyric: like? |
| 00:35.22 | kenlyric | that's a lot of traffic |
| 00:35.26 | kenlyric | daily? |
| 00:36.08 | clad|afk | i'm almost tempted to subscribe |
| 00:36.09 | Kreiger | Hey guys. is there an addon that lets you track locations of netherwing eggs you picked up? |
| 00:36.10 | clad|afk | but i know i'd cry |
| 00:36.27 | sb | Kreiger: i think cartorgapher trasure thing does |
| 00:36.31 | ckknight | Kaelten: Subdirectories seems odd |
| 00:36.45 | Kaelten | click hide empty then it makes more sense |
| 00:37.04 | Kreiger | thanks SB. i'll check that out now. |
| 00:38.24 | Kaelten | http://fish.wowace.com/rsscfg/WowAce/ |
| 00:38.32 | Kaelten | that part is awesome |
| 00:38.54 | sb | hmmm |
| 00:39.14 | clad|afk | aye thats nice. |
| 00:39.28 | Antiarc | http://www.ironstaff.net/firework.gif |
| 00:39.31 | Antiarc | I |
| 00:39.35 | Antiarc | cannot stop laughing |
| 00:39.44 | Kaelten | clad|afk: I think I can add google's repos on there |
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| 00:39.49 | clad|afk | nice |
| 00:39.55 | Kaelten | if you want it to track dongle's |
| 00:39.57 | Kaelten | :) |
| 00:42.15 | Funkeh` | Kaelten ... sweet.. |
| 00:44.11 | CIA-14 | 03ulic * r47281 10ClosetGnome_Mount/ClosetGnome_Mount.lua: ClosetGnome_Mount: Added "Flight Form" mount set for druids (coded by dyree) |
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| 00:52.16 | CIA-14 | 03thexod * r47282 10ItemValue/ (BestItems.lua ItemValue.lua): |
| 00:52.16 | CIA-14 | ItemValue: |
| 00:52.16 | CIA-14 | - Fixed BestJewels error, now rounds as correctly |
| 00:52.16 | CIA-14 | - Removed debug messages in BestItems.lua |
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| 00:58.23 | Mecdemort | Could someone help me with this tablet definition: http://ace.pastey.net/72646 The error is at the bottom. |
| 01:01.10 | Nargiddley` | is that as it appears in the file ? |
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| 01:01.29 | Mecdemort | its currently in omnibus for testing |
| 01:02.29 | Mecdemort | i just cant seem to get tablet to work any which way |
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| 01:05.46 | Nargiddley | not sure :/ |
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| 01:07.10 | Mecdemort | well i give up |
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| 01:10.56 | JoshBorke | Mecdemort: what is "children" supposed to be? |
| 01:11.10 | Mecdemort | hell if i know its their definitions |
| 01:11.21 | JoshBorke | what's the table format for tablet? |
| 01:11.42 | Nargiddley | children is the function that defines the contents |
| 01:11.43 | Mecdemort | it doesnt take a table, all the arguments are in key,value,... pairs |
| 01:11.53 | Nargiddley | which he is passing in |
| 01:12.11 | Nargiddley | but seems to be getting lost somewhere |
| 01:14.37 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 01:16.50 | JoshBorke | *thumbs sideways* |
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| 01:29.47 | calvin_ | Hey guys, Ive been in here a time or two trying to figure out why my threat is all messed in raids... http://static.filefront.com/images/personal/d/Daeklaz/32891/twisbhyqth.jpg This shows exactly what they see.. Anyone have any thoughts? Its like my first attack is good then it doesn't send anymore, yet on mine it looks perfect.. Thx for yer time.. |
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| 01:31.41 | calvin_ | f1.8K which is an attack or two |
| 01:31.52 | calvin_ | I open w/ shield slam so it mighta been a crit |
| 01:34.33 | Kreiger | What seems to be the problem? |
| 01:34.39 | Kreiger | Oh |
| 01:34.45 | Kreiger | um.. you use omen or ktm? |
| 01:36.07 | Chompers | that's a really old version |
| 01:36.29 | Chompers | 45044 vs 46673 |
| 01:36.33 | Kreiger | yeah. btw. your first problem is that you are alliance. |
| 01:36.36 | Kreiger | gg |
| 01:36.42 | Chompers | what happens when you update |
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| 01:38.58 | Chompers | hell, it even says "new version avalible" |
| 01:40.03 | calvin_ | We use omwn |
| 01:40.06 | calvin_ | *Omen |
| 01:40.14 | calvin_ | lol Kreiger |
| 01:40.17 | calvin_ | We rerolled to Alli |
| 01:40.22 | calvin_ | I update every day |
| 01:40.39 | calvin_ | Thats a priests, but the entire raid has probs, and mine never does |
| 01:40.41 | Chompers | from files.wowace.com or the updater tool? |
| 01:40.49 | calvin_ | Does that make sense? (Updater tool CHomp) |
| 01:40.56 | Chompers | everyone needs to update, not just you |
| 01:40.59 | calvin_ | This SS is a priest, im a MT |
| 01:41.04 | calvin_ | Would that cause it? |
| 01:41.13 | calvin_ | If i have em all right now update you think that'll fix it? |
| 01:41.30 | Chompers | i'd say so yeah |
| 01:41.41 | ulic | threat is still be developed, I would update AT LEAST once a week. |
| 01:41.47 | ulic | *being |
| 01:41.58 | calvin_ | They're all updating right now, 10 of them |
| 01:42.10 | calvin_ | Thx alot guys, seriously |
| 01:42.36 | Kirkburn | I have well over a month of Ace updates to get when I'm back home :P |
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| 01:51.22 | calvin_ | Ok, its still not working... They're only seeing like my beginning, then I just stop gaining threat, TPS drops as if im just standing there |
| 01:51.32 | calvin_ | A SS is being uploaded now by that same priest |
| 01:51.41 | calvin_ | http://tinyurl.com/3y39kz is that SS |
| 01:51.56 | calvin_ | http://static.filefront.com/images/personal/d/Daeklaz/32891/omrhxqaxjw.jpg is the orginal link |
| 01:52.07 | calvin_ | (non tinyurl'd) |
| 01:52.17 | calvin_ | Notice the mob is almost dead |
| 01:52.28 | calvin_ | and zero TPS |
| 01:53.04 | calvin_ | The hunter believes that the little threat I had was from his misdirect onto me |
| 01:54.12 | calvin_ | I have SS's from various members if that would help (all updated now) |
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| 02:03.27 | calvin_ | A 2nd image to help: http://static.filefront.com/images/personal/d/Daeklaz/32891/auyzroppka.jpg |
| 02:03.57 | Keias | Prince loves me tonight |
| 02:04.04 | calvin_ | Guys, in my opinion Im not sending data to them, this last shot was using violation... Next is to install JUST threatlib and hope for the best... ANy thoughts on how I could not be sending? |
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| 02:15.36 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47283 10Joker/ (9 files in 9 dirs): |
| 02:15.36 | CIA-14 | LibJoker-1.0 - add :GetContractFunctions("namespace", ...) |
| 02:15.36 | CIA-14 | - make all libraries use the contract functions instead of doing it in the normal function itself. |
| 02:15.36 | CIA-14 | - options to disable the contracts from running will be added in a bit. |
| 02:15.49 | ulic | and there it is. |
| 02:16.17 | ckknight | there what is? |
| 02:17.46 | ulic | Contracts :) |
| 02:17.50 | ckknight | yep |
| 02:17.53 | ckknight | they're quite handy |
| 02:18.52 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47284 10Joker/LibJokerConfig-1.0/LibJokerConfig-1.0.lua: LibJokerConfig-1.0 - add contracts. |
| 02:19.11 | ckknight | they'll be even more handy once I add the ability to turn em off for non-devs |
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| 02:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | would they default to off? |
| 02:20.18 | Funkeh` | I presume so |
| 02:20.29 | Mecdemort | zomg baggins died in a fire |
| 02:20.44 | NightHawkTheSane | (what i really meant is of course, they SHOULD default to off :P ) |
| 02:21.21 | Chompers | calvin_: that screen shot you pasted shows an out of date omen but up to date threatlib |
| 02:21.31 | calvin_ | Is there a way fellas that Omen/Violation/etc would not send data but would receive it in such a way that i see (as MT) everything fine but the other 9 NEVER see any damage I do (only misdirects etc)? |
| 02:21.33 | Chompers | calvin_: do you use sw_stats? |
| 02:21.42 | calvin_ | Chompers, yes I do |
| 02:21.51 | Chompers | sw_stats fixlodstrings? |
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| 02:21.56 | Chompers | or someting close to that |
| 02:22.06 | Funkeh` | What do you think is better, 2x GeForce 8600 GT or 1x GeForce 8800 GTX |
| 02:22.06 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: they will default to off, but it'll be easy to turn on |
| 02:22.20 | calvin_ | http://static.filefront.com/images/personal/d/Daeklaz/32891/auyzroppka.jpg should be a proper pic |
| 02:22.26 | calvin_ | Chompers, yessir |
| 02:22.33 | Chompers | calvin_: try disabling sw_stats/anything related to sw_stats |
| 02:22.45 | calvin_ | "SW_FixLogStrings" |
| 02:22.58 | Chompers | that's the one, untick it |
| 02:23.28 | Chompers | and update Omen, it's still out of date |
| 02:23.31 | Funkeh` | calvin_: I heard it can happen when you have a copy of an old acecomm library hanging around |
| 02:23.40 | calvin_ | Chompers, im overly grateful but damn I appreciate the help.. will try that |
| 02:24.06 | Chompers | http://www.wowace.com/wau/publish.htm |
| 02:24.13 | Chompers | use that tool if you don't already |
| 02:24.15 | Funkeh` | It supresses messages from being sent when traffic is high and sends them when traffic is lower |
| 02:24.52 | calvin_ | Chompers, I had everyone of them update in wowace, all 10 of us had updated within minutes |
| 02:25.06 | calvin_ | Chompers, is WAU like not getting the right version? |
| 02:25.25 | Funkeh` | calvin_: try reinstall all addon in WAU |
| 02:25.33 | calvin_ | Funkeh`will do |
| 02:26.14 | Funkeh` | Funkeh`>What do you think is better, 2x GeForce 8600 GT or 1x GeForce 8800 GTX --anyone? :) |
| 02:26.22 | calvin_ | Ill disable EVERY addon I have sans omen and try that... |
| 02:28.41 | JoshBorke | 1x 8800 |
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| 02:29.12 | Funkeh` | really? What exactly is the advantage of SLi? more bandwidth? |
| 02:29.31 | Chompers | not worth it Funkeh` |
| 02:29.38 | JoshBorke | you chose 2x 8600 |
| 02:29.45 | Chompers | remember all those people with dual voodoo2s? |
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| 02:35.37 | ZealotOnAStick | 1x 8800 if you get the larger memory. |
| 02:35.55 | ZealotOnAStick | The cases where SLI ends up being really beneficial are fairly few. |
| 02:38.00 | sylvanaar | is there a special strat for h.slabs for murmur? |
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| 02:40.15 | Megalon | he is not that different on heroic |
| 02:40.49 | Megalon | just a bit more movement needed by everyone |
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| 02:41.47 | Megalon | as anyone who stands outside the 'circle' gets nature with +dmg debuff, so everyone has to move out when he casts and back in after |
| 02:41.57 | clad|afk | !ap 1505 |
| 02:41.58 | ThraeBot | clad|afk: Arena points from a rating of 1505 is, 2v2: 267, 3v3: 305, 5v5: 381 |
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| 02:46.32 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47285 10Joker/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:46.32 | CIA-14 | LibJokerDB-1.0 - make sure things don't fall apart when db.raw is accessed before ADDON_LOADED |
| 02:46.32 | CIA-14 | LibJoker-1.0 - add some checks to the contract system. |
| 02:48.57 | CIA-14 | 03nayala * r47286 10Baggins_ItemRack/ (Baggins_ItemRack.lua Baggins_ItemRack.toc): Baggins_ItemRack: Work around bug for negative suffix ids in ItemRack |
| 02:49.59 | mikma | ckknight: http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h5/jdcronk/darkknight4.jpg <- the third picture from up is a perfect avatar for Joker |
| 02:50.23 | mikma | http://content2.clipmarks.com/image_cache/childsplay/512/60592ACC-E1FD-4773-9EC2-90AD8E86D8FB.jpg |
| 02:50.23 | ckknight | oh Heath Ledger |
| 02:50.49 | mikma | wow you recognized him :D |
| 02:51.11 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:51.11 | ckknight | there's cooler photos of him |
| 02:51.42 | Funkeh` | bbl |
| 02:52.06 | mikma | errrrrr. http://www.rent-a-clown.com/ |
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| 02:54.22 | ckknight | mikma: http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/JokerFinal1.jpg |
| 02:54.56 | mikma | cool |
| 02:55.11 | CC--home | how do i change the font color in witchhunt?? |
| 02:55.49 | mikma | going to be a kickass film that's for sure |
| 02:56.03 | Keias | ckknight: do you plan on changing the name Joker at a later point? |
| 02:56.12 | mikma | the official webpage is kinda.. odd |
| 02:56.19 | ckknight | yes, but that depends on community feedback |
| 02:56.21 | Keias | Sounds much better than Ace3 imo |
| 02:56.22 | Keias | :( |
| 02:56.22 | mikma | http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/ (click the image to see what happens) |
| 02:56.24 | ckknight | i.e. how pissed people will get |
| 02:56.28 | Keias | lol |
| 02:56.36 | ckknight | Keias: the problem is that Ace has its own branding |
| 02:56.50 | ckknight | which is very strong |
| 02:56.55 | Keias | True, true |
| 02:56.58 | ckknight | to just nix the branding would be a bad move |
| 02:57.14 | ckknight | also, there's a direct correlation between the wowace website/community and the framework that way |
| 02:57.47 | CIA-14 | 03kaelten * r47287 10LibStub/ (. LibStub.lua LibStub.toc): |
| 02:57.47 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 02:57.47 | CIA-14 | - Initial Import |
| 02:58.41 | ckknight | LibStub? |
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| 02:59.00 | ckknight | Kaelten: you're supposed to give the description in the first commit |
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| 02:59.14 | Kaelten | check out Jira :) |
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| 03:00.10 | Mecdemort | Nargiddley: with the newest verison of baggins my bag pops up empty and i get 1306 nil index field |
| 03:00.20 | Kaelten | that was also a check to see if I had figured out FishEye/Jira integration |
| 03:00.22 | Kaelten | and it worked |
| 03:00.24 | Kaelten | :) |
| 03:00.33 | ckknight | cool |
| 03:00.39 | ckknight | so is it something real or not? |
| 03:00.42 | Kaelten | yep |
| 03:01.19 | Kaelten | had a long talk with a handful of people earlier today and pulling ideas from a dozen or so places we've came up with a universal stub that everyone should be able to agree |
| 03:01.20 | Kaelten | on |
| 03:01.47 | Kaelten | including Dongle people and really anyone else, its pulling ideas from Ace Dongle and Joker |
| 03:01.59 | ckknight | and why am I not part of this handful? |
| 03:02.05 | Kaelten | you weren't on |
| 03:02.16 | ckknight | dude, I've been on practically all day |
| 03:02.26 | Kaelten | I announced it in here earlier :( |
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| 03:03.01 | Kaelten | and the Jira project has been up for hours. I told people to go look at it :( |
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| 03:03.24 | ckknight | I was there then |
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| 03:05.35 | ckknight | so what's wrong with Joker's way? |
| 03:05.43 | mikma | Kaelten: but it's whining about username and password :( |
| 03:05.51 | Kaelten | mikma then make one :P |
| 03:06.01 | Kaelten | ckknight: its actually pretty close to joker, |
| 03:06.10 | mikma | Kaelten: do i need this feature? :D |
| 03:06.21 | Kaelten | its going to replace trac if all goes well :) |
| 03:06.39 | ckknight | so then what's wrong with Joker's way? |
| 03:06.54 | mikma | Kaelten: nice to see you back in coding stuff |
| 03:07.03 | Kaelten | mikma: thank you :) |
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| 03:12.04 | Kaelten | ckknight: who ever said there was anything wrong with it? Joker is a good prototype/pet project, just like you set it out to be. |
| 03:12.26 | ckknight | I suppose, but it's quite workable now and rather fleshed out |
| 03:14.18 | Kaelten | indeed but the opportunity has come up to bridge some gaps between us and some of the others int he community. And Joker's implementation won't work for anyone but us. This is in no way a slight to you or your work. Please don't take it that way |
| 03:15.02 | ckknight | I truly invite any author to use Joker, I am in no way preventing anyone from using it |
| 03:15.26 | ckknight | if you'd like to rename it to something "neutral", I have no real issue with that |
| 03:15.56 | mikma | ckknight: how about: butterfly |
| 03:15.59 | mikma | that's pretty neutral |
| 03:16.02 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:16.05 | ckknight | in that light, I don't see how it "won't work for anyone but us" |
| 03:16.18 | ckknight | I'd like to keep it as few chars as possible, just for logistic's sake |
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| 03:16.33 | Kaelten | as few chars as possible? |
| 03:16.38 | Kaelten | oh butterfly? |
| 03:16.38 | NightHawkTheSane | (the name) |
| 03:16.43 | ckknight | well, I mean, butterfly's a bit long |
| 03:16.48 | ckknight | <= 6 or so would be fine |
| 03:16.59 | Kaelten | LibStub I think is good |
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| 03:17.07 | Kaelten | its short and to the point |
| 03:17.17 | ckknight | okay... |
| 03:17.21 | mikma | ckknight: sugar |
| 03:17.28 | ckknight | mmm... Sugar |
| 03:17.46 | Kaelten | go on jira and give feedback on the api, its dirt simple and should be flexible enough to handle just about everything. |
| 03:18.04 | mikma | "Add a littlebit of spice to your addons. Sugar." |
| 03:19.09 | NightHawkTheSane | but.. sugar isn't a spice? |
| 03:19.38 | ckknight | Kaelten: you do realize the benefit of having a generally centralized system (where you have one event mechanism, one addon mechanism, one library mechanism, etc.). If you were to make things vendor-neutral instead of standardized, it could lead to wide-spread fissures between code that uses said stub, to such a point where one addon using the stub would in no way be able to easily interoperate with another addon using the stub |
| 03:20.30 | mikma | "Add a littlebit of flavor to your addons. Sugar." |
| 03:20.33 | mikma | better? gn |
| 03:21.01 | NightHawkTheSane | or.."Sweeten up your addons?" |
| 03:21.15 | ckknight | Sugar's really not a bad name |
| 03:21.21 | Kaelten | all this is going to be is the stub |
| 03:21.25 | Kaelten | Ace will still be ace |
| 03:21.38 | NightHawkTheSane | only if you make an addon that uses it named coffee. |
| 03:21.55 | Kaelten | its just going to use a generic stub, there are non core libraries written by others that we could benefit |
| 03:22.04 | Kaelten | just as our libraries could benefit people who don't want to use Ace |
| 03:22.18 | ckknight | but if they use our libraries, then they'd be using Ace |
| 03:22.22 | ckknight | ... |
| 03:23.32 | Kaelten | a lot of the libraries we have are limited to Ace only addons because they rely on Ace specific stuff. |
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| 03:24.13 | ckknight | you mean stuff outside of AceLibrary? |
| 03:24.23 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 03:24.35 | ckknight | "relying on Ace specific stuff" |
| 03:24.51 | Kaelten | AceLibrary and AceOO |
| 03:25.16 | ckknight | how many libraries use stuff besides that? |
| 03:25.32 | Cryect | I can't imagine many besides some AceComm stuff here and there |
| 03:25.39 | ckknight | I mean, I've developed Joker specifically so libraries should only really have to depend on LibJoker-1.0, anything else would be optional or lazily optional |
| 03:25.40 | JoshBorke | i personally don't like using libraries that require other files |
| 03:25.51 | JoshBorke | and what is this jira thing? |
| 03:25.57 | Kaelten | jira.wowace.com |
| 03:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | JoshBorke: its an issue tracker |
| 03:26.02 | Kaelten | go sign up and check it out |
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| 03:26.12 | Kaelten | NightHawkTheSane: any feedback on our config |
| 03:26.14 | Kaelten | ? |
| 03:26.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: better than the one at work ;) |
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| 03:26.28 | Kaelten | :) |
| 03:26.30 | Kaelten | glad to hear it |
| 03:26.44 | NightHawkTheSane | I still think the interface is overly busy and complicated, but a lot of that is a personal bias towards minimalism |
| 03:26.55 | JoshBorke | i hate it already |
| 03:26.57 | Kaelten | ya, some of it could be better done imho |
| 03:27.02 | Kaelten | but its a lot better than trac |
| 03:27.14 | Cryect | Does that mean it won't kill the SVN? |
| 03:27.14 | JoshBorke | i just want a website to give me online diffs :-P |
| 03:27.15 | cladhaire | the custom rss feeds are pwn |
| 03:27.23 | Kaelten | Cryect: ya |
| 03:27.28 | Kaelten | JoshBorke: fish.wowace.com |
| 03:27.36 | Kaelten | thats what you want |
| 03:27.36 | ckknight | thusly: I don't see the issue with the current implementation of LibJoker-1.0 (just the core lib, which is the stub) |
| 03:27.41 | Cryect | Yeah, I think thats all I use trac for is to look real fast at old revisions when people tell me bugs |
| 03:27.46 | JoshBorke | i love you kael |
| 03:27.57 | NightHawkTheSane | One of the best issue trackers i've seen was custom written at a previous job, it was basically just a handful of attributes for the issue, and comments. |
| 03:28.12 | Kaelten | JoshBorke: check out the customized rss feeds in fisheye, they rock |
| 03:28.17 | Cryect | definately will need to remember fisheye next time |
| 03:28.36 | JoshBorke | hate @ non-free software |
| 03:28.39 | Kaelten | once we get our licenses *crosses fingers* I'm going to kill trac |
| 03:28.47 | Kaelten | JoshBorke: they have open source licenses |
| 03:28.52 | Kaelten | which is what I'm working on |
| 03:29.56 | Kaelten | its only costs if you want it for comercial uses or if you want to keep it closed up |
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| 03:33.18 | NightHawkTheSane | "Glowing eyes, cliched behavior, evilness, that kind of thing." |
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| 03:37.18 | CIA-14 | 03nayala * r47288 10Baggins_ClosetGnome/ (Baggins_ClosetGnome.lua Baggins_ClosetGnome.toc): Baggins_ClosetGnome: Allow item id fuzzy matching. |
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| 04:05.09 | Kyahx | Kaelten: Is fisheye's tarball thing suppose to be broken? |
| 04:05.19 | Kyahx | Trying to nab something out of branches seems to fail |
| 04:05.38 | Kaelten | ya I'm not sure why either :S |
| 04:05.44 | Kaelten | I might not have something configed right |
| 04:05.49 | Kyahx | trunk seems ok thou |
| 04:05.56 | Kaelten | hrm weird |
| 04:06.15 | Kyahx | Im impressed so far thou :) if that's any consolation |
| 04:06.20 | Kaelten | :) |
| 04:06.20 | Kyahx | haha |
| 04:08.15 | Kyahx | tags don't want to work either |
| 04:08.23 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 04:08.32 | Kaelten | might be because of some of the crazy stuff I did with regex |
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| 04:28.19 | [Liquidor] | Uhmf |
| 04:28.52 | ckknight | umph! |
| 04:29.02 | [Liquidor] | Why make Interface customization to a game so complicated with bugsites and competing "libraries" ? |
| 04:29.26 | Jaxon | huh? |
| 04:30.08 | [Liquidor] | bah nothing, reading the convo between Kaelten and ckknight in one go makes it look like they're fighting over something. Not sure what tho :) |
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| 04:33.14 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: egos. |
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| 04:38.39 | anholt | what do linux folks use for updating ace addons? |
| 04:39.53 | NightHawkTheSane | anholt: they're smart enough to write their own scripts. |
| 04:40.28 | Kaelten | anholt: WAU or WUU |
| 04:40.48 | Kaelten | at least I think I remember WAU people on linux with wine |
| 04:40.51 | Kaelten | but I can't remember |
| 04:41.08 | anholt | wuu hasn't worked out well for me on either platform, but I haven't figured out any way to run wau under wine ever. |
| 04:41.40 | [Liquidor] | WAU2 |
| 04:42.03 | [Liquidor] | ...java stuff. Works on Linux as well |
| 04:42.25 | anholt | [Liquidor]: that sounds a lot more promising. |
| 04:42.35 | NightHawkTheSane | java is the scourge of.. um.. something |
| 04:42.56 | [Liquidor] | Java and IE7 are both... shit. |
| 04:43.02 | Kaelten | fisheye and jira are both java |
| 04:43.08 | anholt | having worked on a jvm, I solidly agree. but better than .net as far as linux is concerned. |
| 04:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: that totally explains alot. |
| 04:43.39 | Kaelten | lol, and unlike trac they don't bring the server to its knees |
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| 04:54.00 | CIA-14 | 03diablohu * r47290 10AtlasLoot/TableRegister/loottables.cn.lua: |
| 04:54.01 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 04:54.01 | CIA-14 | - zhCN update |
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| 05:10.51 | CIA-14 | 03kaelten * r47291 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 05:10.51 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-4 |
| 05:10.51 | CIA-14 | -Basic self update framework |
| 05:10.51 | CIA-14 | -First draft of NewLibrary |
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| 05:29.27 | Funkeh` | later |
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| 05:42.06 | [Liquidor] | Kaelten, what is LibStub actually going to be? |
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| 05:42.27 | Kaelten | a minimal stub for registering and using libraries |
| 05:42.50 | Kaelten | to be used by us and dongle and anyone else who wants to write and use libraries |
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| 05:45.46 | HarveyDent | so what dominates SW Stats? |
| 05:45.54 | HarveyDent | guild is looking to switch |
| 05:45.55 | ramoz | Recount |
| 05:46.09 | HarveyDent | I;ve heard that and violation |
| 05:46.19 | Shirik|zZz | Conspiracy's BattleRecorder |
| 05:46.21 | [Liquidor] | HarveyDent, go Omen + Violation |
| 05:46.24 | Shirik|zZz | unfortunately it is not yet publicly available |
| 05:46.30 | HarveyDent | yeah we went full Omen last week |
| 05:46.36 | HarveyDent | and fully converted to BigWigs |
| 05:46.43 | HarveyDent | so now we want to ditch SWS |
| 05:46.48 | [Liquidor] | Violation |
| 05:47.11 | HarveyDent | alright. Any weirdness presently with violation? Advantages over SWS? |
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| 05:47.24 | [Liquidor] | Ehm |
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| 05:47.49 | [Liquidor] | Violation works great with Omen, SWS doesn't (Vio shows stats on threat as well) |
| 05:48.27 | [Liquidor] | Vio and Omen uses same threatlib (files) in a way. Well uhm... Violation is ... read the wowace.com site -.- |
| 05:48.37 | Wobwork | Recount? |
| 05:48.46 | HarveyDent | hehe yeah I've done some reading was just looking to get some opinions |
| 05:48.54 | HarveyDent | friendly discussion etc. |
| 05:49.24 | [Liquidor] | Well if you want graphs etc, go recount |
| 05:49.32 | [Liquidor] | look at the images: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Recount |
| 05:49.40 | Wobwork | Recount is very pretty |
| 05:49.46 | Wobwork | and useful for data analysis |
| 05:49.55 | Wobwork | ie what makes a really good player tick |
| 05:50.05 | Wobwork | or what the hell just killed you |
| 05:50.17 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. what makes me tick is a series of intricatly connected legos |
| 05:50.35 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, wait, you said good player, my bad. |
| 05:50.39 | HarveyDent | well we aren't looking for anything terribly flashy |
| 05:50.39 | Wobwork | Yeah, it just means NightHawkTheSane can't actually bend his knees |
| 05:50.53 | HarveyDent | SWS does enough as is, if not more than - we don't actually... "use" meters per say |
| 05:51.07 | HarveyDent | just to monitor DPS and healing levels on our end game fights to make sure we're hitting numbers |
| 05:51.16 | HarveyDent | if we are, raid composition stays |
| 05:51.20 | HarveyDent | if not, we swap people out, etc. |
| 05:51.25 | [Liquidor] | If you want something simple then go Violation, if you want detailed information through the entire fight go Recount |
| 05:51.28 | HarveyDent | nothing like... perf tracking, etc. |
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| 05:53.34 | Wobwork | I like using recount to see where I can improve |
| 05:53.42 | Wobwork | if I'm in a party with another hunter, say |
| 05:53.47 | HarveyDent | how's mem usage? one thing our RL complain about is all the addons and the mem usage |
| 05:54.12 | HarveyDent | my two Hyjal RL's complain about it time to time |
| 05:54.40 | NightHawkTheSane | with data aggregation addons you're always going to have high memory usage. |
| 05:54.48 | HarveyDent | oh yeah definitely |
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| 05:54.51 | HarveyDent | don't get me wrong |
| 05:54.57 | HarveyDent | but you know, any way we can save is nice |
| 05:54.57 | Wobwork | I've learned to stop worrying and love the bomb |
| 05:55.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 05:55.07 | Wobwork | since I got my new computer |
| 05:55.11 | [Liquidor] | Just freaking stop using DART for your uninteresting user interfaces *wink* |
| 05:55.38 | KucJIbIu`_CmbIJI | hallo |
| 05:55.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Really, people need to just learn that memory usage doesn't matter, as long as it's not being consumed inefficiantly |
| 05:55.51 | HarveyDent | yeah but.. |
| 05:55.54 | [Liquidor] | Go default ui with Vio, Omen, BigWigs and a few class mods. The end. Low memory usage. High FPS.What more do you need ? :) |
| 05:55.57 | HarveyDent | thats why we are concerned. |
| 05:56.03 | HarveyDent | soo what's your point? |
| 05:56.19 | HarveyDent | yeah I think I might try it out |
| 05:56.21 | NightHawkTheSane | my point is, worry less about memory usage, and more about increasing rate and cpu usage. |
| 05:56.35 | HarveyDent | ok, well SWS is that and more.. |
| 05:56.37 | HarveyDent | so again |
| 05:56.40 | NightHawkTheSane | modern computers will have ~1gb of ram, probably 1.5gb if you're gaming. you wont use it all wwith a few addons. |
| 05:56.47 | [Liquidor] | That those addons don't interrupt your gaming experience unless you got a 1gh pc as your best pc |
| 05:57.51 | [Liquidor] | ...or 150 addons installed to etiherr A) Make a really weird looking interface that noone but you will be looking at (uness you take screenshots) or B) help you with things you don't really need help for more than once a month :) |
| 05:58.29 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe i don't do the wild an crazy things you guys do, butmy interface hs never gone over 60 mb :P |
| 05:59.24 | [Liquidor] | harl|away, my suggestion to you in this matter is just to give your guild an example of a few mobs they can use and let them mix those addons themselves :) |
| 05:59.33 | [Liquidor] | mods* |
| 05:59.50 | KucJIbIu` | huj |
| 06:00.11 | [Liquidor] | NightHawkTheSane, I once saw a guy in this channel with dual wide screen and ~250 addons installed -.- |
| 06:00.28 | KucJIbIu` | what is your name ? |
| 06:00.36 | [Liquidor] | His minimap was dual-circled with both the original frame and all the minimap buttons :> |
| 06:01.28 | KucJIbIu` | can you hear me ? |
| 06:03.28 | KucJIbIu` | i'm fuckin you |
| 06:03.34 | [Liquidor] | Who are you talking to KucJIbIu`? |
| 06:03.40 | kadrahil | ... |
| 06:03.42 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 06:03.55 | kadrahil | so like |
| 06:04.00 | kadrahil | i got my dark reaver cloak from shade tonight |
| 06:04.02 | kadrahil | \o/ |
| 06:04.16 | kadrahil | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Kadrahil |
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| 06:04.42 | [Liquidor] | Who is KucJIbIu`_CmbIJI ? |
| 06:04.56 | QuantumDelta | He's apparently, russian |
| 06:05.00 | KucJIbIu`_CmbIJI | this is i |
| 06:05.06 | QuantumDelta | much more than that, I cannot say |
| 06:05.21 | [Liquidor] | Hello KucJIbIu`_CmbIJI, are you Russian? |
| 06:05.43 | KucJIbIu`_CmbIJI | yes i'm Russian |
| 06:06.22 | KucJIbIu`_CmbIJI | where are you from ? |
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| 06:07.22 | [Liquidor] | Okay.... |
| 06:07.40 | [Liquidor] | Let's just pretend I didn't say hello in the first place. |
| 06:08.12 | NightHawkTheSane | can we pretend it's saturday, too? |
| 06:10.00 | KucJIbIu` | eh... |
| 06:10.40 | [Liquidor] | NightHawkTheSane, what time is it in US now? Easter, Western, don't care which |
| 06:10.51 | ckknight | 8:10 PM where I'm at |
| 06:10.51 | NightHawkTheSane | 11:15pst |
| 06:11.01 | KucJIbIu` | [Liquidor], who are you ? |
| 06:11.25 | [Liquidor] | ckknight, Ur anus doesn't count |
| 06:11.32 | art3mis | NightHawkTheSane: you mean saturday morning? |
| 06:11.34 | [Liquidor] | Oh did I use a space there? :S *giggle* |
| 06:11.40 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: i mean any time saturday |
| 06:11.50 | art3mis | well if youre pst it's almost sunday |
| 06:11.51 | NightHawkTheSane | cause it'll mean i've already finished work tomorrow ;) |
| 06:11.54 | art3mis | and thats not good |
| 06:12.01 | art3mis | ;) |
| 06:12.11 | NightHawkTheSane | meh |
| 06:12.13 | [Liquidor] | KucJIbIu`, What do you mean with who am I? |
| 06:12.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i could do with sunday, actually |
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| 06:12.22 | NightHawkTheSane | as i'll probably end up working saturday >< |
| 06:12.23 | art3mis | ive got me a semi busy weekend ahead |
| 06:12.33 | art3mis | gotta go run cables friday |
| 06:12.52 | [Liquidor] | What do you name your timezones in the US? |
| 06:13.03 | art3mis | and on sunday i get to import 3 aol email accounts put em into outlook make a pst and then import them into the clients outlook because aol doesnt allow autoforwarding |
| 06:13.03 | KucJIbIu` | [Liquidor], where are you from? |
| 06:13.03 | NightHawkTheSane | man, they need to increase the drop rate on fel glands |
| 06:13.04 | [Liquidor] | I assume it isn't as simple as western and eastern time |
| 06:13.19 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: eastern, central, mountain, pacific, and whatever hawaii is |
| 06:13.20 | art3mis | eastern standard central time and pacific standard |
| 06:13.24 | art3mis | and mountain |
| 06:13.30 | ckknight | [Liquidor]: HST, AKST, PST, MST, CST, EST |
| 06:13.32 | [Liquidor] | mountain? |
| 06:13.33 | NightHawkTheSane | but no one gives a crap about hawaii |
| 06:13.36 | [Liquidor] | mountain? |
| 06:13.36 | art3mis | yeah |
| 06:13.43 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: it's still an important naval base |
| 06:13.44 | [Liquidor] | what the hell? |
| 06:13.48 | ckknight | as well as a tourist center |
| 06:13.49 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: yeah, its the area of the us generally around the rocky mountains |
| 06:13.55 | art3mis | all the states/provinces that border the rockies are in a nebulas zone |
| 06:13.55 | ckknight | granted, outside of that, I don't see much in it |
| 06:14.02 | Diao | hmm |
| 06:14.05 | Diao | armory down for anyone else? |
| 06:14.05 | art3mis | some of them dont observe daylight savings like arizona |
| 06:14.08 | [Liquidor] | NightHawkTheSane, I'd guess but |
| 06:14.14 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: indiana too, i think |
| 06:14.20 | [Liquidor] | You only got mountains in one area of timezone? rofl |
| 06:14.21 | art3mis | really? |
| 06:14.30 | art3mis | [Liquidor]: real mountains yes |
| 06:14.32 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: it's just a name :P |
| 06:14.40 | [Liquidor] | :) |
| 06:14.41 | KucJIbIu` | bay bay |
| 06:14.47 | art3mis | not these bloody foothills of the east ;P |
| 06:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | also, the appalacians (sp) are older, dammit :P |
| 06:15.01 | art3mis | and they're foothills! |
| 06:15.02 | art3mis | heh |
| 06:15.13 | NightHawkTheSane | because they're older :P |
| 06:15.17 | art3mis | so? |
| 06:15.30 | NightHawkTheSane | give it time, the rockies will be just like em ;) |
| 06:15.35 | art3mis | thats like claiming the model t is better than a ferrari because it's older ;P |
| 06:15.39 | art3mis | no way! |
| 06:15.49 | [Liquidor] | So 6 timezones in US? |
| 06:15.51 | art3mis | the rockies are the border of whats gonna fall into the ocean next century |
| 06:15.59 | [Liquidor] | Like... 6 hours from east to west? |
| 06:16.00 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if not, it's only because we'll blow up the world, first. |
| 06:16.11 | art3mis | oh man |
| 06:16.11 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: on the continental US, there's 4 time zones. |
| 06:16.13 | art3mis | spweaking of |
| 06:16.32 | art3mis | discovery channel ahd the BEST documentary of hiroshima and nagasaki ive seen |
| 06:16.40 | art3mis | i think it's called White |
| 06:16.56 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: I think hawaii might be 1-2 hours off from the west-most continental time zone. |
| 06:16.57 | art3mis | basically it talks about the dev and the dropping of the two bombs |
| 06:17.05 | art3mis | and interviews and talks to all the survivors |
| 06:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, its 3 hours, what am I thinking |
| 06:17.30 | [Liquidor] | How long does it take to drive from east to west? |
| 06:17.38 | art3mis | what amazed me most about it is that most of the interviewed seem really happy and childish |
| 06:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | from east coast to west coast? maybe a weekish? |
| 06:17.51 | art3mis | despite the fact they saw nuclear destruction first hand |
| 06:17.58 | NightHawkTheSane | depending on how fast, how long per day, etc. :P |
| 06:17.59 | [Liquidor] | Not sure but like NY to LA? (can't remember if LA is on the west side) |
| 06:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | (yes, it is) |
| 06:18.19 | art3mis | i drove from vancouver to new york in a total of about 40ish hours |
| 06:18.27 | [Liquidor] | Gosh :S |
| 06:18.32 | [Liquidor] | And uhm... |
| 06:18.35 | art3mis | 12 hours from van to calgary and 28 or so from cal to nyc |
| 06:18.37 | NightHawkTheSane | did you, sleep? :P |
| 06:18.43 | art3mis | not the second part nope ;P |
| 06:18.50 | art3mis | i stopped inc algary for about 3 days though |
| 06:18.57 | [Liquidor] | Do you really drive through those deserts like in the movies. Well you know, it'snot like we got that kind of terrain over in EU so curious to know :) |
| 06:19.03 | NightHawkTheSane | most i've driven is north-south, so *shrug* |
| 06:19.09 | art3mis | yeah in the status you do |
| 06:19.22 | art3mis | the worst part of driving across canada is saskatchewan |
| 06:19.28 | art3mis | flat and boring ;P |
| 06:19.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, nevada, parts of california, and that area has some desert |
| 06:19.39 | art3mis | i went in the winter too |
| 06:19.57 | kadrahil | hmm |
| 06:19.58 | art3mis | it was cool when i hit the edge of ontario it was slightly warmer and there was a cieling of fog out |
| 06:20.01 | [Liquidor] | I mean, must be like a vacation for you to even think about going west from east or other way around while here in Denmark it takes 2-3 hours to get from west to east :) |
| 06:20.03 | art3mis | about 12 feet off the ground |
| 06:20.08 | kadrahil | balanced nightseye or solid star of elune for my fiend slayer boots |
| 06:20.20 | kadrahil | already have a bright living ruby |
| 06:20.30 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: yeah, visiting a few states away, or the other side of the country is often a vacation for people here, so :) |
| 06:20.33 | art3mis | [Liquidor]: yeah i got here though and never went home |
| 06:20.46 | art3mis | that used to be my argument on why europe is cooler if you drive |
| 06:20.57 | art3mis | pick a directiona dn in 3 hours you're in at least 1 new country |
| 06:21.11 | [Liquidor] | at least |
| 06:21.21 | art3mis | in north american it gets you about 200 miles from your start but doest garuntee anything enat and new |
| 06:21.27 | NightHawkTheSane | thats probably only a novelty in a country where you can ddrive for days straight and still not leave the country ;) |
| 06:21.28 | art3mis | neat |
| 06:21.40 | [Liquidor] | we drive to other countries for cheaper beer, hardware etc :> |
| 06:22.17 | [Liquidor] | but okay, in Denmark we pay taxes as high as you wouldn't imagine. Don't even think you do that in US? |
| 06:22.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you probably have better governmental services too. |
| 06:22.38 | art3mis | taxes for income are between 29 and 55% of the income |
| 06:22.43 | art3mis | in the us |
| 06:22.52 | art3mis | sales tax though is at most 15% |
| 06:23.06 | [Liquidor] | Was listening to a radio station from US and all the commercials was about medical care and heatlh insurances :> never heard anything like it |
| 06:23.12 | art3mis | in canada its 18-28% for income for the same bracket and 13% sales |
| 06:23.17 | art3mis | yeah |
| 06:23.21 | art3mis | no socialized healthcare |
| 06:23.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah,you have a governmenet smart enough and capable enough to do that for you :) |
| 06:23.33 | [Liquidor] | art3mis, I've watched Sicko |
| 06:23.43 | art3mis | sicko was a biased piece of crap |
| 06:24.01 | [Liquidor] | Well what he says about the EU countries are true tho |
| 06:24.04 | [Liquidor] | Dunno about the US part |
| 06:24.46 | [Liquidor] | I mean, if I get a blister I can just go down to the local doctor, or whatever and I don't have to do anything but show id and then walk home agian with medicin :| |
| 06:25.08 | NightHawkTheSane | (ahh, to live in a civilized country :P ) |
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| 06:26.08 | [Liquidor] | You know what they did last yeah in DK? :S They actually made a country wide bum counting (it's called a bum aight? you know the street walkers or w/e) just to see how they could help all of them :S |
| 06:26.12 | [Liquidor] | year* |
| 06:26.16 | ckknight | it took my grandma 3 months before they would cast her broken leg. Hooray for nationalized health care, eh? (Canada) |
| 06:26.25 | ckknight | it's because she doesn't live in the city |
| 06:26.40 | [Liquidor] | I thought Canada did great with health care? |
| 06:26.41 | ckknight | and thus has only a few doctors in her town, and the ones that are aren't paid well and thus are the bad ones |
| 06:26.46 | ckknight | lol, fuck no, [Liquidor] |
| 06:26.49 | ckknight | in the cities, yes |
| 06:26.51 | ckknight | definitely |
| 06:26.58 | ckknight | but as soon as you're not in a city, you're basically fucked |
| 06:27.03 | art3mis | canada is great for healthcare IF you're canadian |
| 06:27.10 | ckknight | art3mis: she lived in Canada all her life. |
| 06:27.13 | art3mis | and not out of prvince |
| 06:27.17 | art3mis | province |
| 06:27.22 | ckknight | took her 18 months to get her cataracts looked at, even |
| 06:27.34 | art3mis | within province it's decent |
| 06:27.39 | [Liquidor] | It's the same with your education system I've heard :-/ |
| 06:27.50 | [Liquidor] | You pay a lot to go to college or something aight? |
| 06:27.52 | art3mis | but if you're in manitoba and you go to toronto for surgery yer kinna screwed |
| 06:28.03 | art3mis | actually it's alot less than here |
| 06:28.25 | art3mis | my two year EE course was i think 14k at the end of the 90s |
| 06:28.38 | art3mis | and in the states at the same time it was around 45k tuition all said and done |
| 06:28.41 | [Liquidor] | 14.000$ ????? |
| 06:28.47 | art3mis | yup |
| 06:28.55 | [Liquidor] | No fucking way :S |
| 06:28.58 | art3mis | yup |
| 06:29.01 | [Liquidor] | What for? |
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| 06:29.19 | [Liquidor] | But why? |
| 06:29.19 | art3mis | electronic engineer |
| 06:29.26 | NightHawkTheSane | school. :P |
| 06:29.28 | art3mis | 2 ear degree course IEEE certified |
| 06:29.30 | [Liquidor] | I mean.... why is it like that? :S |
| 06:29.45 | art3mis | post secondary, the aprts classes etc |
| 06:29.49 | art3mis | parts |
| 06:30.04 | art3mis | if i wasnt dealign with hardware it wouldnt have cost as much |
| 06:30.13 | [Liquidor] | If you pay for health care, inssurances, education and I don't know what else... who does the money help then? |
| 06:30.26 | NightHawkTheSane | er, what money? |
| 06:30.42 | [Liquidor] | well |
| 06:30.45 | art3mis | in canada it's all from your taxes ;P |
| 06:30.48 | [Liquidor] | the money has to go somewhere? |
| 06:31.04 | art3mis | it pays for schools, roads all that wonder stuff needed to maintain a city |
| 06:31.04 | NightHawkTheSane | what money are you talking about though? |
| 06:31.08 | NightHawkTheSane | tax money? |
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| 06:31.28 | [Liquidor] | money for your education, medicin etc |
| 06:31.56 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, the money paid for that? It goes to the ruthless corporations who run those things here :P |
| 06:31.58 | art3mis | for post secondary(college and uni) it's mainly used to upkeep the buildigns and pay the teachers |
| 06:32.18 | art3mis | and to keep the facilities at least semi close to up to date |
| 06:32.21 | CIA-14 | 03jwensley2 * r47293 10MageAnnounce/ (Locale-enUS.lua MageAnnounce.lua): |
| 06:32.21 | CIA-14 | MageAnnounce: |
| 06:32.21 | CIA-14 | - Removed individual portal messages, 1 message for all cities now |
| 06:32.21 | CIA-14 | - code optimizations |
| 06:32.43 | [Liquidor] | So basicly US lives on the system saying Every man for himself? |
| 06:32.46 | sylvanaar | im in this group now - and violation is not reporting the damage from one memeber |
| 06:32.51 | sylvanaar | anyone seen that |
| 06:32.52 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: more or less |
| 06:32.55 | art3mis | im talking about canada btw |
| 06:32.57 | Arrowmaster | and it sucks |
| 06:32.58 | art3mis | but yes |
| 06:33.02 | art3mis | thats the joys of capitalism |
| 06:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | it's the so called "free market" and it's idiotic :) |
| 06:33.17 | sylvanaar | they appear in the DPS module, but not the damage module |
| 06:33.28 | NightHawkTheSane | it really just serves to stratify thepopulation into the super-mega-rich, and everyone else. |
| 06:33.38 | Arrowmaster | capitalism means if your not at the top your fucked for the rest of your life and you have almost no chance of changing that fact |
| 06:33.51 | ckknight | wrong, Arrowmaster |
| 06:33.53 | [Liquidor] | well we pay 30-55% taxes (only rich ppl pays 55-60% while the poor or middle waged ppl pays 30-40%) and we get everything without charge |
| 06:34.19 | ckknight | upward and downward mobility is more viable in capitalism than in other forms of economy |
| 06:34.26 | [Liquidor] | Like.. if we don't take an education the government forces you to kinda |
| 06:34.52 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: yeah,that's more or less how things ought to work |
| 06:35.03 | [Liquidor] | I get paid to be educated |
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| 06:35.21 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: but the rich here have this stupid idea of fiscal conservitivism, which does not work in practice at all. |
| 06:35.48 | [Liquidor] | if I live at my parrents I get around 300$ a month (things are cheaper here btw) and if I live by myself I get double up... altho if I'm educating |
| 06:35.52 | ckknight | I don't believe in positive rights, only negative rights (if you think that sounds weird, actually look it up) |
| 06:35.55 | Xinhuan | wow EnhTooltip is so so so so bad. I prospected 6 stacks of ore, and it generated enough garbage for the GC to run 3 times. |
| 06:36.11 | Diao | :\ |
| 06:36.16 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan, I got a better one... |
| 06:36.25 | [Liquidor] | Try mail your alt an item |
| 06:36.27 | Xinhuan | 260 kb/sec LOL |
| 06:36.30 | [Liquidor] | Then hover your mouse over that item |
| 06:36.33 | [Liquidor] | !! |
| 06:36.39 | Xinhuan | i thought that one has been fixed liq |
| 06:36.43 | [Liquidor] | Nope |
| 06:36.50 | [Liquidor] | My FPS drops to 5 -.- |
| 06:36.52 | [Liquidor] | from 70 ! |
| 06:36.55 | sylvanaar | oh, bug in violation, if swstats sync spy is on, but there is only 1 person with swstats, that person doesnt show up in the damage done list |
| 06:36.56 | Xinhuan | you know why? |
| 06:37.03 | [Liquidor] | no clue and cba to find out |
| 06:37.13 | [Liquidor] | I just use Postal for auto-looting the mailbox |
| 06:37.14 | Xinhuan | that's because there's a piece of code in EnhTooltip that is looking and looping |
| 06:37.17 | Xinhuan | through your code |
| 06:37.20 | Xinhuan | your local cache |
| 06:37.23 | Xinhuan | from 1 to 40000 |
| 06:37.28 | Xinhuan | to find a matching item |
| 06:37.32 | Xinhuan | to add the tooltip |
| 06:37.45 | Xinhuan | and that code runs on every OnUpdate |
| 06:37.50 | Wobwork | one short phrase at a time? |
| 06:37.53 | Xinhuan | so you lag when you open your mail |
| 06:38.02 | Xinhuan | and hover your mouse on the item in the mailbox |
| 06:38.09 | [Liquidor] | I don't open my mail |
| 06:38.33 | [Liquidor] | It's on any icon in the mailbox. Be it in a mail or not |
| 06:38.36 | Xinhuan | it isn't opening mail - its simply hovering the mouse over the item icon in the mailbox |
| 06:38.51 | Xinhuan | that triggers EnhTooltip to run a certain piece of code that loops 1-40000 |
| 06:39.00 | [Liquidor] | ye but I could give a fuck really, I just need it for Ench.trix etc |
| 06:39.07 | art3mis | anyone know of a good xml reader that will display in regular text? |
| 06:39.10 | Xinhuan | disable EnhTooltip and you'll see the issue is gone |
| 06:39.19 | [Liquidor] | art3mis, IE? |
| 06:39.25 | Xinhuan | art3mis: Firefox |
| 06:39.27 | [Liquidor] | oh regular |
| 06:39.29 | Wobwork | XMLSpy? |
| 06:39.58 | [Liquidor] | "WORDPAD MFC-Program" ? |
| 06:40.16 | [Liquidor] | It's in all Win installations |
| 06:41.00 | [Liquidor] | I just use Notepad++ but it's syntaxed tho |
| 06:43.24 | art3mis | yeah i'd like to get rid of the encoding like %20's n stuff |
| 06:44.20 | Arrowmaster | wouldnt that break it? |
| 06:45.37 | Arrowmaster | and %20 is regular text, the feed put it in that way on purpose |
| 06:46.43 | Xinhuan | %20 actually is a space (" ") |
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| 06:47.08 | Xinhuan | its usually used in a URL because URLs cannot contain spaces or other special characters |
| 06:47.30 | Xinhuan | such as for files with the space character in it |
| 06:48.37 | Arrowmaster | and if you change it to a space then the url doesnt work anymore |
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| 06:49.01 | Wobwork | not all the time |
| 06:49.09 | Xinhuan | %20 is actually just the 2 digit Hex number, its ASCII character is 32 (space) |
| 06:49.10 | Wobwork | some browsers will accept it and autoconvert it |
| 06:49.27 | Xinhuan | yeah but the fact is the browser has to convert it anyway |
| 06:49.51 | Wobwork | true |
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| 06:50.13 | Wobwork | but since it's fairly normal practice to do so, it doesn't necessarily 'break' the url |
| 06:50.40 | Xinhuan | it breaks the URL if it isn't enclosed in a " " in a html file ;p |
| 06:51.05 | Arrowmaster | well it will break it if you run the source though something that automaticly turns it into a hyperlink or something |
| 06:51.31 | Xinhuan | will break on almost all forums that do that |
| 06:51.34 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 06:51.49 | Arrowmaster | and email clients |
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| 06:57.26 | Xinhuan | hmm if you create a large object using /script - would it attribute the memory used to any addon? |
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| 06:57.47 | kadrahil | heh we took down illhoof in like 5.5 minutes tonight |
| 06:57.55 | kadrahil | i think our fastest time ever |
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| 06:58.43 | cncfanatics | yo all |
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| 06:58.57 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: probably some chat addon your using |
| 06:59.12 | Xinhuan | using the default one |
| 06:59.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: try and see? |
| 06:59.44 | cncfanatics | anywhere to download today's patch ? |
| 06:59.49 | Arrowmaster | well i think preformancefu shows your current memmory usage and the current memmory useage of all addons added up |
| 06:59.51 | cncfanatics | my client crashes when it tries to download it |
| 06:59.54 | Xinhuan | i dunno, i haven't thought up a way to make a large object yet ;p |
| 07:00.42 | Arrowmaster | make a table with a for loop and use math.random or whatever as your table values |
| 07:01.02 | cncfanatics | someone, where to download today's patch ?? |
| 07:01.10 | cncfanatics | its probably only a few megs, but its crashing me |
| 07:01.44 | Diao | hm |
| 07:02.04 | Xinhuan | there is a patch today? |
| 07:02.14 | Xinhuan | i just started wow 20 min ago, didn't see any patch |
| 07:02.16 | Diao | anyone have any ideas on how i can improve my dps on prince |
| 07:02.22 | Xinhuan | what class diao? |
| 07:02.25 | Diao | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Diaox |
| 07:02.36 | cncfanatics | EU side it seems to want to download something |
| 07:02.43 | cncfanatics | client crashes after I login on "Downloading" |
| 07:03.43 | Xinhuan | try running Repair.exe? |
| 07:03.51 | art3mis | was a warden update earlier todaythe mini (installing new crap for the launcher) thing |
| 07:04.07 | Diao | argh |
| 07:04.09 | Diao | wtf is wrong with armory today |
| 07:04.22 | Xinhuan | try launching from the launcher too, if you skip that normally |
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| 07:05.42 | Diao | is anyone else getting errors left and right from armory >>> |
| 07:05.47 | Diao | or is it just me |
| 07:06.02 | Xinhuan | just you |
| 07:06.18 | Xinhuan | you can use Thraebot to prove that there's nothing wrong ;p |
| 07:06.36 | Diao | it keeps telling me i've encountered an error :\ |
| 07:07.05 | Xinhuan | you probably tried to access something that doesn't exist? |
| 07:07.19 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 07:07.31 | art3mis | hrm i think i need some cheese |
| 07:07.39 | cncfanatics | FFS |
| 07:07.49 | cncfanatics | WoW still crashes while logging in |
| 07:07.52 | cncfanatics | fucking crap shit |
| 07:08.06 | Xinhuan | tried the launcher or repair.exe stuff yet? |
| 07:08.23 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 11487 HP; 6003 Mana; 99 mana regen; 18 mp5; 15268 Armour; 83.6 Melee DPS; 5.17% melee crit; 29 spell crit; 335 +spell dmg/heal; 43 holy dmg (378); 224 defense; 14.38% dodge; 17.93% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1467 ][ Link: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=khadgar&n=evolve ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36eekt ]] |
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| 07:09.32 | Diao | !c us blackrock diaox |
| 07:09.59 | cncfanatics | launcher downloaded stuff |
| 07:10.02 | cncfanatics | but wow tries to dl stuff too it seems |
| 07:10.09 | cncfanatics | crashes on "Downloading" |
| 07:10.17 | cncfanatics | meaning it aint stuff to fix with repair.exe in the first place either |
| 07:10.22 | Xinhuan | what version is your wow.exe? |
| 07:10.22 | art3mis | wow |
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| 07:10.37 | art3mis | i cant believe that cnn is actually advertising "most stories per hour" |
| 07:10.48 | cncfanatics | 2.1 ofc :p |
| 07:10.56 | cncfanatics | i'm running it with wine on linux though |
| 07:10.59 | cncfanatics | but I never had crashes like that |
| 07:11.33 | Diao | so |
| 07:11.37 | Diao | i think armory is having problems :P |
| 07:12.19 | ThraeBot | Diao: Diaox, Level 70 Orc Warrior (33/25/3). 10794 HP; 8244 Armour; 1388 AP; 222.5 Melee DPS; 24.62% melee crit; 87 melee hit; 6.65% dodge; 5% block; 189 resilience;[[ TBR: 981 ][ Link: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=blackrock&n=diaox ][ Talents: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=blackrock&n=diaox ]] |
| 07:12.38 | art3mis | GASP! |
| 07:12.51 | Diao | 3 minute delay |
| 07:12.52 | dreamss2 | art are u watching toon? |
| 07:12.53 | Xinhuan | !c us blackrock Xinhuan |
| 07:12.56 | art3mis | but wine+linux is a non blizz supported platform! |
| 07:12.57 | dreamss2 | hehe i just saw that |
| 07:13.01 | art3mis | yeah |
| 07:13.10 | cncfanatics | art3mis, dont care its not supported, it worked till today |
| 07:13.13 | dreamss2 | cncfanatics there is an article on wowwiki under linux/wine on how to fix that |
| 07:13.24 | art3mis | for soem reason i find that icnredibly funny that a news channel is actually trying to say it has the most news |
| 07:13.31 | cncfanatics | dreamss2, thanks |
| 07:13.33 | art3mis | cncfanatics: im teasing ;P |
| 07:13.51 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: welcome to america. quantity over quality. |
| 07:13.52 | cncfanatics | don't tease me when my stuff doesnt work :p |
| 07:13.56 | ThraeBot | Xinhuan: Xinhuan, Level 70 Gnome Mage (48/13/0). 7303 HP; 10616 Mana; 179 mana regen; 27 mp5; 389 spell crit; 111 spell hit; 893 +spell dmg/heal; 144 frost dmg (1037); 144 arcane dmg (1037); 144 fire dmg (1037); 5.86% dodge; 68 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 733 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ys7kff ][ Talents: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=blackrock&n=Xinhuan ]] |
| 07:13.57 | dreamss2 | thats what blizz said about this problem on the forums |
| 07:13.57 | art3mis | wow actually runs better on my laptop than under xp |
| 07:14.08 | cncfanatics | NightHawkTheSane, that sounds like a perfect moto for Mc Donalds |
| 07:14.20 | art3mis | NightHawkTheSane: thanks, where's my gun and watered down beer? |
| 07:14.22 | Xinhuan | hmm that took only 1 minute lol |
| 07:14.29 | cncfanatics | art3mis, on wine WoW can run without all the crap xp has |
| 07:14.30 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: anywhere below the mason dixon |
| 07:14.43 | Xinhuan | by the way, what does the TBR: 733 mean? |
| 07:14.47 | art3mis | heh |
| 07:15.00 | Arrowmaster | ~tbr |
| 07:15.01 | purl | tbr is, like, ThraeBot Ratings, an invention of Thrae for his ThraeBot. It works on a weighted logarithmic algorithm partially dependant on build type that, when used to compare two characters, tries to take into account which classes are fighting each other. or "to be released" |
| 07:15.01 | art3mis | total bullshit rating ;P |
| 07:15.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 07:15.18 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 07:15.28 | Xinhuan | so my TBR is 733, because i'm arcane spec? :P |
| 07:15.52 | cncfanatics | found it, thanks dreamss |
| 07:16.01 | Diao | it's very uh |
| 07:16.01 | Xinhuan | i can't even reduce my spellhit, i have 111, and i only need 76 to max out |
| 07:16.05 | Diao | biased towards melee |
| 07:16.05 | art3mis | !vs us echo isles rozalyn us blackrock xinhuan |
| 07:16.06 | Diao | for some reason |
| 07:16.20 | Xinhuan | i do have 389 crit though |
| 07:16.32 | ThraeBot | art3mis: Rozalyn vs Xinhuan! A L70 priest and a L70 mage square off!; 9/0/52 vs 48/13/0; Rozalyn wins by 22 TBRs! |
| 07:16.38 | art3mis | take that! |
| 07:16.41 | Diao | lol |
| 07:16.52 | art3mis | Fatality! |
| 07:16.54 | art3mis | YOU LOSE! |
| 07:17.07 | Xinhuan | Total Bullshit Rating :D |
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| 07:17.13 | art3mis | heh yup |
| 07:17.34 | Xinhuan | can't compare a priest to a mage anyway! |
| 07:18.04 | art3mis | yeah i know thats like comparing a pitbull to a sock puppet |
| 07:18.08 | art3mis | ;) |
| 07:18.09 | ckknight | priest = mage+x |
| 07:18.11 | Aenslaed | ugh, how quick or likely is blizzard to suspend on the forums for trolling? |
| 07:18.14 | cncfanatics | !vs eu khadgar evolve us echo isles rozalyn |
| 07:18.17 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve vs Rozalyn! A L70 paladin and a L70 priest square off!; 0/49/12 vs 9/0/52; Rozalyn wins by 570 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 07:18.17 | ckknight | solve for x. |
| 07:18.23 | Aenslaed | art3mis: how high is rozalyn now? |
| 07:18.23 | art3mis | ;) |
| 07:18.24 | cncfanatics | :o heh |
| 07:18.35 | art3mis | umm i think im 29 at rpesent |
| 07:18.36 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 07:18.40 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 11487 HP; 6003 Mana; 99 mana regen; 18 mp5; 15268 Armour; 83.6 Melee DPS; 5.17% melee crit; 29 spell crit; 335 +spell dmg/heal; 43 holy dmg (378); 224 defense; 14.38% dodge; 17.93% block; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1467 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bl7uf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36eekt ]] |
| 07:18.41 | cncfanatics | !c us echo isles rozalyn |
| 07:18.48 | art3mis | havent had a chance all week to login thanks to remote work |
| 07:19.06 | Aenslaed | !vs us kel'thuzad superiority us echo isles rozalyn |
| 07:19.12 | art3mis | but see the TBR is biased |
| 07:19.13 | Aenslaed | !vs us kelthuzad superiority us echo isles rozalyn |
| 07:19.19 | Aenslaed | help~ |
| 07:19.23 | dreamss2 | cncfanatics funny thing im talking to the official wine/wow 2.2 guy telling him wine is stupid :P |
| 07:19.23 | art3mis | since your holydin could outheal most of my mana |
| 07:19.28 | art3mis | and beat me to death with a shovel |
| 07:19.40 | Aenslaed | !vs us kel thuzad superiority us echo isles rozalyn |
| 07:19.44 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Rozalyn, Level 70 Undead Priest (9/0/52). 7861 HP; 8880 Mana; 161 mana regen; 5 mp5; 97 spell crit; 14 spell hit; 601 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (780); 241 shadow dmg (842); 5.62% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 shadow);[[ TBR: 745 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ycyeo ][ Talents: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=echo%20isles&n=rozalyn ]] |
| 07:19.46 | ThraeBot | Aenslaed: Superiority vs Rozalyn! A L70 druid and a L70 priest square off!; 0/47/14 vs 9/0/52; Rozalyn wins by 552 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 07:19.46 | ThraeBot | Sorry Aenslaed, you must wait 1 seconds before making another request. |
| 07:19.49 | ThraeBot | Aenslaed: Armory parse error. You must have screwed up the command. You suck. |
| 07:19.57 | Aenslaed | oh man, am I lagged or what |
| 07:20.03 | art3mis | nah the website is |
| 07:20.11 | art3mis | about a 45-1.5 lag |
| 07:20.15 | Diao | 3 min for me :\ |
| 07:20.36 | Aenslaed | oh man, that vs is so wrong ;p |
| 07:20.41 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r47294 10ClosetGnome/locales/koKR.lua: |
| 07:20.41 | CIA-14 | ClosetGnome: |
| 07:20.41 | CIA-14 | - Updated localization koKR(by papertiger) |
| 07:21.07 | Aenslaed | !vs us kel'thuzad aenslaed us echo isles rozalyn |
| 07:21.07 | ThraeBot | Aenslaed: aenslaed vs rozalyn! It's a showdown! ...But wait, what's this?! rozalyn always haxs, so wins automatically. |
| 07:21.18 | Aenslaed | disappointing |
| 07:21.20 | art3mis | haha |
| 07:21.39 | art3mis | Aenslaed: yer a hunter |
| 07:21.44 | art3mis | hunters are priest food ;P |
| 07:21.51 | Aenslaed | depends |
| 07:22.03 | art3mis | why i have at least a stack or so of them in my bags |
| 07:22.04 | Aenslaed | viper sting + scorpid poison |
| 07:22.22 | Aenslaed | makes for some very fun bug exploiting |
| 07:22.35 | art3mis | heh |
| 07:22.52 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r47295 10ClosetGnome_Mount/ClosetGnome_Mount.lua: |
| 07:22.52 | CIA-14 | ClosetGnome_Mount: |
| 07:22.52 | CIA-14 | - Updated localization koKR(by papertiger) |
| 07:23.02 | art3mis | im actually setting up my laptop right now so i can play at work and get roz a bit higher too |
| 07:23.38 | Aenslaed | Trying to get my hunter alt into our last ever SSC raid next week |
| 07:23.47 | Aenslaed | oh god I hope it happens |
| 07:23.54 | Arrowmaster | last ever ssc raid? |
| 07:24.15 | Aenslaed | yeah, won't step foot in there ever again as a 25 man raid worth dkp |
| 07:24.19 | art3mis | last ever? |
| 07:24.29 | art3mis | boooo |
| 07:25.11 | Aenslaed | Tempest Keep is close on the list as well. Its just that its so fast to clear that makes it ok. The 4 tank requirement on al'ar though is a real pita though. |
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| 07:25.58 | Aenslaed | till someone shows us a trick with how to deal with phase 2 embers with 1 tank that is |
| 07:26.03 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r47296 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/Locale-koKR.lua: ClosetGnome_Switcher: Updated localization koKR(by papertiger) |
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| 07:27.25 | art3mis | well then your guild has TONS of time to pwoer level me ;) |
| 07:27.36 | art3mis | cuz dear god i hate leveling myself pre 60 |
| 07:28.07 | Aenslaed | if you were on during the day, there is a crop of 3 or 4 people levelling alts right now in the 20's range right now |
| 07:28.14 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r47297 10ClosetGnome_Zone/ClosetGnome_ZoneLocale-koKR.lua: ClosetGnome_Zone : Updated localization koKR(by papertiger) |
| 07:28.18 | art3mis | ooo |
| 07:28.27 | art3mis | what time zone is that again? |
| 07:28.38 | Aenslaed | server is in MST |
| 07:28.56 | Aenslaed | PST -1 |
| 07:29.12 | sica | Aenslaed: but you do have 4 tanks? 3 on al'ar himself, and one tank preferably a druid tanks both embers :) |
| 07:29.30 | Aenslaed | sica: 2 tanks on alar, 2 druids on embers |
| 07:29.35 | art3mis | ahh okies thatll work |
| 07:29.47 | art3mis | once i get my laptop happy ill be on during the day more often |
| 07:30.38 | Aenslaed | sica: i haven't learned the trick to tanking both embers in phase 2. How do you get both of them to come to you? Really hard to dps the embers when you are split tanking |
| 07:31.05 | Aenslaed | I even lose aggro when i'm tanking one cause I get zero rage from them. |
| 07:31.29 | Arrowmaster | we have a prot warrior that tanks like 10 embers at a time |
| 07:31.38 | Aenslaed | Arrowmaster: in phase 1, sure, thats easy |
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| 07:32.26 | art3mis | im still not sure why harvey birmand is so funny |
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| 07:32.32 | cncfanatics | meh, prot pally can prolly tank all embers easy |
| 07:32.35 | art3mis | birdman |
| 07:33.14 | pb_ee1 | Morning |
| 07:33.17 | sica | Aenslaed: well, I don't know what our druid does exactly, but I think it's something like taunt one+(feral charge) mangle the other - and he's wearing damage gear and usually gets enough rage from his own hits |
| 07:33.17 | Arrowmaster | no i ment in phase2 |
| 07:33.48 | Aenslaed | why would you tank them in phase 2? Killing them nets more total damage on al'ar. |
| 07:34.00 | Arrowmaster | because my raids retarded |
| 07:34.15 | Arrowmaster | hench why my accounts canceled |
| 07:34.16 | Aenslaed | 3% per ember killed, embers have ~1.8% of al'ar's total hp |
| 07:34.17 | Gngsk | best thing to do, is tank them during phase 1 |
| 07:34.21 | Gngsk | get them real low |
| 07:34.26 | Gngsk | then when phase 2 pops, kill 'em all |
| 07:34.31 | Gngsk | boom 50% alar |
| 07:34.47 | Aenslaed | heh, we dont kill any and its only 8 or 9 embers saved up :/ |
| 07:35.05 | Arrowmaster | how much hp do the embers have? |
| 07:35.10 | Aenslaed | 40k |
| 07:35.13 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 07:35.25 | Arrowmaster | people kept telling me it was 70-75k |
| 07:35.38 | Arrowmaster | which makes them equal to killing alar |
| 07:35.39 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47298 10FlexBar2/Layout/Layout.lua: |
| 07:35.39 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 07:35.39 | CIA-14 | Layout.lua |
| 07:35.39 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.41 | Aenslaed | might be a bit more, but they die in less than 10 seconds of assisting |
| 07:37.55 | Aenslaed | whoa, did someone break the wow us forums? |
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| 07:38.08 | Aenslaed | nm, that was weird |
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| 07:39.45 | cncfanatics | you are weird Aenslaed |
| 07:40.23 | Aenslaed | I got a firefox error that said the URL would never resolve and it was sid=0 repeating over and over as the url |
| 07:42.17 | Pkekyo | Anyone here using Opera's IRC client atm? |
| 07:43.29 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 07:43.31 | cncfanatics | cewl |
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| 07:59.12 | cncfanatics | WHY is my SetAllPoints on a a texture just ignored by blizz ... |
| 07:59.40 | Gngsk | texture not a frame? |
| 08:00.02 | cncfanatics | well, if I do it on the frame the texture itself aint resizing with it |
| 08:00.07 | Gngsk | SetTexCoords? |
| 08:00.21 | cncfanatics | is there a setallpoints kinda of thing for textures ? |
| 08:01.39 | cncfanatics | either way, SetAllPoints shld exist for textures too |
| 08:01.58 | ckknight | it does. |
| 08:03.21 | cncfanatics | i'm having a bit of a problems with my frame though |
| 08:04.18 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I think I better just recode my frame -.- |
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| 08:05.09 | Nickenyfiken | Isn't all Frame methods inherited? |
| 08:05.27 | cncfanatics | yea, from different objects though |
| 08:05.38 | cncfanatics | Texture doesnt have anything from the Frame , but it does have all from Region I think |
| 08:05.45 | ckknight | so what do people all think of Joker? |
| 08:05.47 | [Liquidor] | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/768869/the_werewolf_skit_retard_edition/ |
| 08:05.52 | [Liquidor] | ownage ! |
| 08:05.56 | cncfanatics | I've been reading some code ckk, looking neat so far |
| 08:06.02 | cncfanatics | I havent looked into it in detail though, no time |
| 08:06.10 | ckknight | alright |
| 08:06.11 | Nickenyfiken | ckknight: i read the wiki and it sounds very good (if all in wiki is true that is) |
| 08:06.29 | ckknight | that's fine |
| 08:06.29 | ckknight | Nickenyfiken: I don't think I lied anywhere :-P |
| 08:06.44 | Nickenyfiken | :-) |
| 08:06.50 | ckknight | I dunno, a little birdie told me that people were unhappy with it, it's just that they don't seem to want to say it themselves, apparently |
| 08:06.51 | Nickenyfiken | So what about LibStub? |
| 08:06.55 | [Liquidor] | Nickenyfiken, don't believe in him |
| 08:07.07 | ckknight | either way, if anybody wants to comment on it or give advice, you're free to |
| 08:07.11 | ckknight | either on IRC or on the wiki |
| 08:07.25 | cncfanatics | I should take time to look into it in detail tbh |
| 08:07.29 | cncfanatics | but first I need to fix this frame shit |
| 08:07.40 | [Liquidor] | Can I insult your work without arguements? Cause that would be so cool ckknight ! |
| 08:07.48 | ckknight | no, [Liquidor] |
| 08:07.54 | ckknight | there must be rhyme and reason |
| 08:07.58 | [Liquidor] | Aww :(( |
| 08:08.05 | [Liquidor] | But I want to be like others ! |
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| 08:08.15 | [Liquidor] | I don't want to be like these: ownage ! |
| 08:08.21 | [Liquidor] | uhm |
| 08:08.24 | [Liquidor] | ownage = http://www.metacafe.com/watch/768869/the_werewolf_skit_retard_edition/ * |
| 08:08.48 | cncfanatics | gah, someone tell me why Frame:GetNormalTexture():SetAllPoints(Frame); will make the normal texture only about half as big as the frame |
| 08:09.08 | ckknight | simple, because the texture itself has a strange coord inside |
| 08:09.14 | ckknight | so you may need to :SetTexCoord on the texture |
| 08:09.40 | cncfanatics | what exactly would I do ? |
| 08:09.55 | ckknight | first, show me your code |
| 08:09.56 | cncfanatics | I'm using ("Interface\\Buttons\\UI-Quickslot2"); as normal texture, and I suck with frames :p |
| 08:10.01 | ckknight | hrm |
| 08:10.37 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72655 |
| 08:11.06 | cncfanatics | I used to set the width & height of the texture to twice as much as the frame and anchor it to the center, but thats a dirty hack and causes the normal texture to ignore scaling completely |
| 08:11.29 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72655?lang=lua |
| 08:11.55 | ckknight | tex:SetTexCoord(0, 0.5, 0, 0.5) |
| 08:12.00 | ckknight | :-P |
| 08:12.07 | cncfanatics | that'll do it ? |
| 08:12.09 | cncfanatics | lemme try |
| 08:13.23 | cncfanatics | self.Frame:SetNormalTexture("Interface\\Buttons\\UI-Quickslot2"); |
| 08:13.23 | cncfanatics | local NormalTexture = self.Frame:GetNormalTexture(); |
| 08:13.23 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.23 | cncfanatics | NormalTexture:SetAllPoints(Frame); |
| 08:13.43 | cncfanatics | attempt to call method 'SetTexCoords' (a nil value) |
| 08:14.15 | [Liquidor] | SetTexCoord without s |
| 08:14.23 | [Liquidor] | I guess -.- |
| 08:14.36 | [Liquidor] | Never used coords for textures before |
| 08:16.01 | cncfanatics | meh damn spelling |
| 08:16.50 | ckknight | btw, for paths, I tend to use [[]], since the backslashes show up raw |
| 08:16.51 | cncfanatics | ckknight, now the texture is still half as big, but it starts at the center :p |
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| 08:16.59 | ckknight | [[Interface\Buttons\UI-Quickslot2]] |
| 08:17.11 | ckknight | cncfanatics: then tex:SetTexCoord(0.25, 0.75, 0.25, 0.75) |
| 08:17.42 | cncfanatics | will that actualy change the size at all ? -.- |
| 08:17.47 | cncfanatics | if its only setting coords it shouldnt ? |
| 08:17.53 | cncfanatics | or am I misunderstanding the function ? |
| 08:18.26 | cncfanatics | now only the very border of the texture shows up, seems the rest is out of the texture aero |
| 08:18.32 | cncfanatics | s/aero/area/ |
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| 08:20.49 | ckknight | on a lighter note, http://www.metacafe.com/watch/661025/super_obese_kid_940_lbs/ |
| 08:21.51 | evl | http://www.booncontrol.com/forum/showthread.php?p=71227 |
| 08:21.53 | evl | epic model bug :D |
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| 08:23.30 | cncfanatic1 | ckk |
| 08:23.34 | cncfanatic1 | ur damn link made my pc crash |
| 08:23.37 | ckknight | lol |
| 08:23.45 | ckknight | he's so fat, he made your comp crash |
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| 08:24.50 | cncfanatics | on another note, what exactly does SetTexCoord do ? |
| 08:24.55 | cncfanatics | seems like a weird function to me |
| 08:25.22 | [Liquidor] | how many kgs is 940 lbs? |
| 08:25.29 | [Liquidor] | kgs = kilos * |
| 08:25.45 | CIA-14 | 03sayclub * r47299 10ClosetGnome/locales/koKR.lua: |
| 08:25.45 | CIA-14 | ClosetGnome: |
| 08:25.45 | CIA-14 | - Fixed localization koKR |
| 08:26.20 | ckknight | ~940/2.2 |
| 08:26.21 | purl | 427.272727272727 |
| 08:26.24 | ckknight | that many |
| 08:26.28 | ckknight | give or take |
| 08:26.41 | cncfanatics | 427.27kg |
| 08:26.47 | ckknight | cncfanatics: changes the coordinates shown in a texture. |
| 08:26.52 | ckknight | check wowwiki for more details |
| 08:27.03 | cncfanatics | well, atm its half working |
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| 08:27.14 | cncfanatics | the top and left side show up fine |
| 08:27.18 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.19 | cncfanatics | but bottom & right dont show up at all |
| 08:27.27 | cncfanatics | (0.20, 0.70, 0.20, 0.70); is what i'm using at |
| 08:27.29 | cncfanatics | atm* |
| 08:27.44 | cncfanatics | cuz with 0.25, 0.75, 0.25, 0.75 nothing was showing at all except a small line at the top |
| 08:27.52 | Xinhuan | you can always open up your MPQ and extract out that particular BLP file |
| 08:27.55 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.14 | cncfanatics | why waste space though ? |
| 08:28.21 | cncfanatics | when one line of code can fix it if you mess enough with it |
| 08:28.23 | Xinhuan | the 0.25 and 0.75 are simply the % numbers indicating the left, right, top, bottom |
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| 08:28.39 | Xinhuan | extracting out the file and opening it in a graphic program |
| 08:28.47 | orionshock | hey ckknight is that version of cowtip on the /branches area have all the externals set? // wondering if it's functional yet? |
| 08:28.48 | Xinhuan | will let you see exactly you are setting |
| 08:29.03 | ckknight | it's functional, and I fixed all the externals |
| 08:29.25 | orionshock | humm... going to go check it out and see how it glows |
| 08:29.38 | ckknight | should be basically the same as the Ace2 version, except running on Joker |
| 08:29.57 | Xinhuan | (0, 1, 0, 1) will mean to take the whole texture, (0, 0.5, 0, 1) will mean to take the left half only |
| 08:30.14 | cncfanatics | well, I want to take the whole texture |
| 08:30.20 | cncfanatics | but I need it to be positioned well |
| 08:30.28 | Xinhuan | then you want to use 0, 1, 0, 1 |
| 08:30.34 | cncfanatics | its positioned in the center with half the size of the rest with default settings |
| 08:30.50 | cncfanatics | I want it to have the same size as the rest heh |
| 08:30.54 | Xinhuan | then use SetWidth and SetHeight |
| 08:31.00 | Xinhuan | to half the size |
| 08:31.18 | cncfanatics | my SetAllPoints will just override that wont it ? |
| 08:31.23 | Xinhuan | no |
| 08:31.27 | ckknight | yes. |
| 08:31.28 | ckknight | afaik |
| 08:31.35 | Xinhuan | wait i think yes |
| 08:31.58 | Xinhuan | not sure if SetNormalTexture will set the parent of that texture properly |
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| 08:32.19 | Xinhuan | you may want to just CreateTexture, apply your settings to it, then just use SetNormalTexture on that texture |
| 08:32.25 | cncfanatics | setwidth & setheight are ignored |
| 08:32.42 | cncfanatics | then the normal texture wont ever fade for the highlight one |
| 08:32.46 | cncfanatics | or for the checked one |
| 08:32.54 | [Liquidor] | so ehm |
| 08:33.08 | Xinhuan | well if you setallpoints, it gives it a fixed width and height |
| 08:33.18 | [Liquidor] | you got a frame and its properties... you want a texture to cover the frame... what's the big deal? *evil* |
| 08:33.26 | Xinhuan | and if you want the whole texture, you use (0, 1, 0, 1) |
| 08:33.39 | Xinhuan | you can't scale it since you have fixed size and fiex coords already |
| 08:33.43 | Xinhuan | fixed* |
| 08:33.53 | cncfanatics | thats silly ... |
| 08:33.55 | cncfanatics | wait |
| 08:33.58 | cncfanatics | i'll paste my code |
| 08:35.03 | orionshock | AHH, where did wau just install to :( |
| 08:35.17 | orionshock | ... wtb start menu item :\ |
| 08:35.21 | Xinhuan | probably the same folder your zip is |
| 08:35.30 | orionshock | nope |
| 08:35.35 | orionshock | >.< |
| 08:35.51 | cryogen | 1.9 or 2? |
| 08:35.56 | cryogen | cause 1.9 puts itself in the start menu |
| 08:36.06 | orionshock | 1.9.43.595 |
| 08:36.10 | cncfanatics | i'll send a screenshot of what i'm getting and the code, sec |
| 08:36.17 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 08:36.52 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72656 will give http://cncfanatic.free.fr/Screenshot.png |
| 08:36.59 | cncfanatics | the normal texture is clearly half the size of the rest |
| 08:37.18 | cncfanatics | I also have one button set with a scale of 2 instead of 1, which makes it even more obvious :p |
| 08:37.35 | orionshock | :\ it did thx :D |
| 08:38.21 | cncfanatics | any idea on how to fix it Xinhuan, ckknight ? |
| 08:39.29 | Xinhuan | looking |
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| 08:41.14 | Xinhuan | your Frame which inherits from SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 08:41.18 | Xinhuan | doesn't have a size |
| 08:41.29 | cncfanatics | I do SetAllPoints on it at the end |
| 08:41.31 | Xinhuan | give it a width and height of 32 |
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| 08:41.52 | Xinhuan | dont' do that |
| 08:42.14 | cncfanatics | how am I suposed to make it move with its dragger and have it be perfectly under the dragger then ? |
| 08:42.24 | cncfanatics | the dragger is basicly the green overlay you can see |
| 08:42.28 | Xinhuan | your dragger's width/height is 23? |
| 08:42.33 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 08:42.39 | Xinhuan | try changing it to 32 |
| 08:43.02 | cncfanatics | still same effect |
| 08:43.07 | cncfanatics | except the buttons are a bit larger now |
| 08:43.16 | cncfanatics | but the normal texture is still half the size |
| 08:43.35 | cncfanatics | what I used to do to fix it is this: |
| 08:43.47 | cncfanatics | set its width to 60 |
| 08:43.52 | cncfanatics | and anchor it to CENTER -1, 1 |
| 08:44.02 | cncfanatics | but that causes it to ignore scale settings which sucks |
| 08:44.25 | Xinhuan | gonna open up some files to see the image, brb |
| 08:45.56 | Xinhuan | i think i have an idea of why that happens now |
| 08:45.58 | Xinhuan | brb |
| 08:46.44 | cncfanatics | replacing SetAllPoints by this fixed it, but causes it to totaly ignore its parent's scaling, so all scaled buttons are bugged |
| 08:46.44 | cncfanatics | NormalTexture:SetWidth(60); |
| 08:46.44 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.44 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.44 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.16 | Xinhuan | ok the problem is that the image of the quickslot2 is designed small in the BLP |
| 08:47.16 | cncfanatics | (and anyone with a weirdly scaled UI will also bug I supose) |
| 08:47.31 | Xinhuan | look inside ActionButtonTemplate.xml for blizzard's button |
| 08:47.42 | Xinhuan | you'll see that blizzard's button is 36x36 |
| 08:47.54 | Xinhuan | but the quickslot2 normaltexture is 66x66 |
| 08:48.05 | Xinhuan | and its anchor point is CENTER, 0, -1 |
| 08:48.18 | cncfanatics | that causes it to ignore scaling though |
| 08:48.28 | cncfanatics | blizz's buttons are not scaled so np |
| 08:48.35 | cncfanatics | but mine can be scaled by the user, so I cant do that :/ |
| 08:48.46 | Xinhuan | well if you change UISCALE |
| 08:48.54 | Xinhuan | like UIParent:SetScale() |
| 08:48.58 | Xinhuan | everything scales properly |
| 08:49.06 | Xinhuan | so i dont see whats the problem |
| 08:49.07 | cncfanatics | if you change the button's scale it doesnt |
| 08:49.12 | cncfanatics | like Frame.Dragger:SetScale() |
| 08:49.18 | cncfanatics | that'll make everything resize, except the normaltexture |
| 08:49.50 | Xinhuan | then add code to manually change the scale of the texture too |
| 08:49.55 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 08:50.03 | cncfanatics | or I could just extract the file and double its size |
| 08:50.20 | cncfanatics | with the code I just pasted (SetHeight(60) and so on) |
| 08:50.26 | cncfanatics | one of my testers has probs |
| 08:50.54 | cncfanatics | http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/coolblood2/WoWScrnShot_082307_220439.jpg |
| 08:50.57 | cncfanatics | this is what he gets |
| 08:51.11 | Xinhuan | meaning, when you change the scale of your buttons, you are probably going to have to change the width/height of your normal texture accordingly (multiply it) |
| 08:52.20 | cncfanatics | hmmm, NormalTexture:SetScale(2*ScaleOfTheRest); |
| 08:52.56 | Xinhuan | i don't know what the problem is |
| 08:52.59 | Xinhuan | because when i type |
| 08:53.05 | Xinhuan | /script ActionButton2:SetScale(0.5) |
| 08:53.10 | Xinhuan | which is blizzard's bar |
| 08:53.13 | Xinhuan | 2nd button |
| 08:53.17 | Xinhuan | the button scales nicely |
| 08:53.20 | cncfanatics | weird |
| 08:53.22 | cncfanatics | why doesnt mine then ? |
| 08:53.44 | Xinhuan | you can run that /script ActionButton2:SetScale(0.5) |
| 08:53.45 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 08:54.02 | Xinhuan | don't setallpoints the normaltexture |
| 08:54.20 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 08:54.24 | cncfanatics | ur SetScale(0.5); |
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| 08:54.28 | cncfanatics | the normal texture didnt move |
| 08:54.43 | cncfanatics | its still with default its previous width |
| 08:54.45 | cncfanatics | watch closely |
| 08:55.04 | Xinhuan | are you talking about the background? |
| 08:55.11 | cncfanatics | the background and the border |
| 08:55.17 | cncfanatics | u can see the border around the background |
| 08:55.21 | Xinhuan | the background isn't defined in the button |
| 08:55.30 | Xinhuan | its defined in MainMenuBar |
| 08:55.53 | cncfanatics | ok I just zoomed in instead of out, the border is there ur right |
| 08:56.00 | Xinhuan | its actually just a 256x40 or so sized background |
| 08:56.06 | Xinhuan | that covers 6 buttons at a go |
| 08:56.22 | cncfanatics | ok then im really wondering why it doesnt work for me |
| 08:56.27 | cncfanatics | I supose its partly because |
| 08:56.31 | cncfanatics | I'm using a dragger frame |
| 08:56.36 | Xinhuan | remove your setallpoints on your normal texture, and just give it a width and height of 66 |
| 08:56.44 | Xinhuan | and your dragger a width and height of 32 |
| 08:56.47 | Xinhuan | you can scale your dragger later |
| 08:57.01 | Xinhuan | i mean 36 not 32 |
| 08:57.34 | Xinhuan | or even better, just inherit actionbuttontemplate and securebuttontemplate at the same time |
| 08:57.58 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 08:58.14 | cncfanatics | if my dragger is of width 36 the rest of the button is larger then the normaltexture |
| 08:58.39 | cncfanatics | with 23 on the dragger the sizes match |
| 08:58.48 | cncfanatics | which is plain weird |
| 08:59.00 | Xinhuan | so 66 matches 23? |
| 08:59.02 | Xinhuan | keep it that way |
| 08:59.21 | Xinhuan | either that, or inherit from both actionbuttontemplate and securebuttontemplate at the same time |
| 08:59.26 | Xinhuan | and you won't have to worry about it |
| 08:59.54 | Xinhuan | there are no scripts in actionbuttontemplate, so its ok to inherit it |
| 09:00.16 | cncfanatics | it does mean buttons are set up totaly differently then currently though |
| 09:00.28 | cncfanatics | cant access the texture anymore from lua |
| 09:00.33 | Xinhuan | you can |
| 09:00.35 | cncfanatics | Frame.Icon is texture currently |
| 09:00.46 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.53 | Xinhuan | you just need stuff like Frame.Icon = _G[blahblah] |
| 09:01.00 | cncfanatics | thats dirty hacks |
| 09:01.05 | cncfanatics | would this work ? |
| 09:01.07 | Xinhuan | but its still a reference |
| 09:01.08 | cncfanatics | extract the texture |
| 09:01.12 | cncfanatics | resize is to twice its size |
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| 09:01.20 | cncfanatics | and use SetAllPoints on the resized texture |
| 09:01.28 | Xinhuan | dunno |
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| 09:01.58 | cncfanatics | either way |
| 09:02.33 | cncfanatics | just tweaked stuff a bit |
| 09:02.33 | cncfanatics | width of the normal texture is 60 |
| 09:02.33 | Xinhuan | Frame.Icon = _G[blahblah] is not really a dirty hack |
| 09:02.33 | cncfanatics | same for its hight |
| 09:02.36 | cncfanatics | 23 on the dragger |
| 09:02.36 | Xinhuan | you're still storing a direct reference to the texture object |
| 09:02.44 | cncfanatics | looks fine, but when i'm rescaling the buttons |
| 09:02.51 | cncfanatics | the normal texture refuses to scale with it |
| 09:02.54 | Xinhuan | which is the same as GetNormalTexture() |
| 09:03.17 | cncfanatics | Frame.Icon is not == GetNormalTexture(); :p |
| 09:03.18 | Xinhuan | its just that the texture you created had no global, while the one from inheriting has a global name |
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| 09:03.38 | cncfanatics | Frame.Icon is the texture that contains the texture of the item/spell currently on the button |
| 09:03.44 | cncfanatics | but its not like that matters |
| 09:04.25 | ckknight | orionshock: no, seeing as mod and _G.SomeAddon are reference equal, any changes to mod mean changes to _G.SomeAddon |
| 09:05.31 | orionshock | :D ok so that particular method is just used so they don't have to type out the full title of the namespace each time |
| 09:06.21 | cncfanatics | thats what locals are most used for |
| 09:07.19 | cncfanatics | hmmm ok, fixed, kinda |
| 09:07.47 | cncfanatics | I now use http://cnc.pastey.net/72658 to set the scale |
| 09:08.50 | Punkie` | is it cool to have your own pastey subdomain now? |
| 09:09.01 | cncfanatics | does it even matter ? |
| 09:09.08 | Punkie` | just wondering |
| 09:09.49 | cncfanatics | hmmm, how would I extract a texture out of an mpq ? |
| 09:09.51 | cncfanatics | i'm going to try something |
| 09:10.09 | Xinhuan | you can either use WinMPQ |
| 09:10.14 | Xinhuan | or MyWarcraftStudio |
| 09:10.18 | Xinhuan | to open MPQ files |
| 09:10.22 | cncfanatics | i'm not on windows |
| 09:10.37 | Xinhuan | then you'll have to find something else lol |
| 09:10.48 | cncfanatics | what file would I have to open btw |
| 09:10.50 | cncfanatics | what MPQ that is |
| 09:11.19 | Xinhuan | Data\EnUS\locale-enUS.MPQ |
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| 09:11.59 | Xinhuan | note that any files with the same name in Data\EnUS\patch-enUS.MPQ and patch-enUS-2.MPQ |
| 09:12.01 | Xinhuan | will override |
| 09:12.31 | Xinhuan | the patchers usually throw new/updated files in those patch mpqs |
| 09:12.38 | Xinhuan | and sometimes don't delete the old ones |
| 09:12.42 | Xinhuan | from the original mpqs |
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| 09:13.15 | cncfanatics | can emulate em with wine, great |
| 09:13.22 | Xinhuan | so if you were to extract out the FRAMEXML files yourself, you would have to extract from locale, then patch, then patch2 in that order and overwrite files |
| 09:14.33 | cncfanatics | how silly heh |
| 09:14.42 | cncfanatics | I just need a texture, doubt it matters what file its out |
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| 09:14.49 | baer_ | moin. |
| 09:15.12 | baer_ | cncfanatics: what do i read about wine? :) |
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| 09:16.32 | art3mis | wierd |
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| 09:16.57 | art3mis | if i strat wow in wine with -opengl or gxapi "opengl" it cant load the 3d accelerator |
| 09:17.00 | art3mis | start |
| 09:17.09 | art3mis | if i leave both those options off it runs and laods fie |
| 09:17.11 | art3mis | fine |
| 09:17.28 | cncfanatics | art3mis, 3d accelerator being ? |
| 09:17.41 | Jaxon | That'll be the error WoW gives him. |
| 09:17.48 | art3mis | err 3d hardware acceleration |
| 09:18.34 | cncfanatics | opengl mode works fine here |
| 09:18.46 | cncfanatics | d3d doesnt work decently heh, i'm on linux |
| 09:18.58 | art3mis | thats why im saying wierd |
| 09:19.02 | art3mis | ive got ful desktop effects |
| 09:19.10 | art3mis | and compiz fusion is working perfectly |
| 09:19.28 | art3mis | but magically 3d doesnt work for wine through wow with the opengl tags |
| 09:20.18 | cncfanatics | weird |
| 09:20.23 | cncfanatics | I think I had that problem too earlyer |
| 09:20.29 | baer_ | cncfanatics: usin' wine i guess? |
| 09:20.32 | cncfanatics | got an ati or nvidia ? |
| 09:20.37 | cncfanatics | baer_; ofc :) |
| 09:20.48 | baer_ | cncfanatics: are you using an nvidia or ati gpu? |
| 09:20.53 | cncfanatics | ati, but they suck hard |
| 09:21.03 | cncfanatics | how would one edit an blp file btw ? |
| 09:21.04 | baer_ | what kinda revision? |
| 09:21.26 | baer_ | or better "what model?" |
| 09:21.34 | cncfanatics | radeon 9600 |
| 09:21.41 | cncfanatics | old shit imo :p |
| 09:21.42 | baer_ | ok, skip it :-p |
| 09:22.01 | art3mis | ati |
| 09:22.07 | cncfanatics | I average on 20 fps with addons loaded |
| 09:22.14 | art3mis | xpress 110 (200m) |
| 09:22.14 | baer_ | yup. |
| 09:22.18 | cncfanatics | fglrxconfig |
| 09:22.20 | cncfanatics | do that |
| 09:22.21 | cncfanatics | in a console |
| 09:22.25 | baer_ | ati drivers DO suck in linux. |
| 09:22.34 | cncfanatics | I mean fglrxinfo |
| 09:22.41 | cncfanatics | baer_, no shit sherlock :) |
| 09:23.00 | baer_ | honestly i'm playing with a radeon x1300 |
| 09:23.07 | baer_ | and even there i don't get > 33 fps |
| 09:23.18 | cncfanatics | next time I buy a PC its with a radeon |
| 09:23.30 | cncfanatics | art3mis, what output u get in a console with fglrxinfo ? |
| 09:24.01 | CIA-14 | 03chuanhsing * r47303 10Tankalyze/ (Localization.zhTW.lua Tankalyze.toc): |
| 09:24.02 | CIA-14 | Tankalyze: |
| 09:24.02 | CIA-14 | - add zhTW locale |
| 09:24.09 | baer_ | next time do not buy a pc with a ati gpu at all :-p |
| 09:24.50 | cncfanatics | I mean not with a radeon |
| 09:24.51 | cncfanatics | meh |
| 09:24.59 | cncfanatics | how would I resize a blp image btw ? |
| 09:25.04 | cncfanatics | I have this image, I want to resize it to twice its size |
| 09:25.55 | Pheredhel | cncfanatics: use a blp to tga converter, resize the tga, use a tga to blp converter |
| 09:26.31 | cncfanatics | meh, wish the gimp supported blp |
| 09:26.53 | cncfanatics | Pheredhel, where to get such a converter ? -.- cant find any on curse |
| 09:27.09 | Gngsk | cncfanatics, write support for it |
| 09:27.10 | Pheredhel | uhm, dunno, lets see |
| 09:27.54 | cncfanatics | Gngsk, I only know lua & php :p |
| 09:28.15 | Pheredhel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.BLP there are some links to converters |
| 09:28.27 | Gngsk | C is easy! |
| 09:28.36 | cncfanatics | I understand C & C++ pretty much |
| 09:28.41 | cncfanatics | but probably couldnt write in them |
| 09:28.41 | Gngsk | do it up then |
| 09:28.52 | baer_ | cncfanatics: http://www.wc3sear.ch/?p=Tools&ID=5 <-- is a pretty good converter. |
| 09:29.11 | baer_ | it translates .blp <-> .tga |
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| 09:29.51 | orionshock | ? about AceDB : ok the wiki says 7 types of data and im assuming its in the classic form of self.db.char/.class/.relm/.ect -- now can i use any value there or do i have to use one of those 7? |
| 09:30.08 | baer_ | narf, i'm slow today :-p |
| 09:30.23 | cncfanatics | Hello visitor of wc3sear.ch. This site has exceeded it's quota and Darky is not here to help us. Therefore we are working on importing the resources on to another website which will be the new home of wc3sear.ch. |
| 09:30.26 | cncfanatics | baer_ |
| 09:30.35 | baer_ | oO |
| 09:31.55 | art3mis | baer_: everyone complains about ati but ive never had much issue with em |
| 09:32.03 | orionshock | eek , cable being btchie... |
| 09:32.13 | cncfanatics | art3mis, their linux drivers are hard to install and slow |
| 09:32.16 | art3mis | and i refuse to purchase nvidia shittastic cards having seen MANY die for no reason and have massive issues |
| 09:32.24 | baer_ | art3mis: depends on the gpu model you are using. |
| 09:32.28 | art3mis | nope it doesnt |
| 09:32.31 | cncfanatics | art3mis, what does fglrxinfo output for you btw ? |
| 09:32.36 | art3mis | to me ati is better than nvidia |
| 09:32.48 | art3mis | cncfanatics: mucking with something one sec |
| 09:34.30 | Jaxon | I had no luck running OpenGL games while Compiz was running or with the composite extension of xorg enabled. |
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| 09:35.06 | baer_ | EPA! EPA!!! |
| 09:35.16 | art3mis | actually ive had luck with it in every distro ive used and played with |
| 09:35.25 | cncfanatics | what distro u on now ? |
| 09:35.29 | cncfanatics | its usualy doable |
| 09:35.34 | cncfanatics | just needs some meddling :) |
| 09:35.37 | art3mis | using ubuntu right now |
| 09:35.50 | art3mis | it plays the nicest with compiz |
| 09:36.00 | cncfanatics | what is compiz anyway ? |
| 09:36.01 | art3mis | freespire likes crossover the best though |
| 09:36.07 | art3mis | the good version of beryl ;P |
| 09:36.13 | cncfanatics | whats beryl ? -.- |
| 09:36.17 | art3mis | 3d desktop |
| 09:36.20 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 09:36.22 | art3mis | the spinny cube thingy |
| 09:36.24 | cncfanatics | i'm currently just using gnome |
| 09:36.31 | cncfanatics | any actual advantages using it ? |
| 09:36.31 | art3mis | oh its still gnome |
| 09:36.36 | art3mis | nope its eyecandy |
| 09:36.37 | art3mis | one sec |
| 09:36.39 | Jaxon | cncfanatics: fancy OpenGL desktop. Just pretty eyecandy. |
| 09:37.05 | Arrowmaster | mostly pretty eyecandy |
| 09:37.05 | cncfanatics | just use extra memory eh ? |
| 09:37.15 | cncfanatics | well, pretty eyecandy can have handy functions too |
| 09:37.16 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7QraljRfM |
| 09:37.22 | art3mis | thats what beryl looks like |
| 09:37.22 | cncfanatics | hmmm, youtube crashes me lately |
| 09:37.32 | cncfanatics | if I crash, its youtube |
| 09:37.46 | Arrowmaster | although i think it may have some features that will make me want to use it when i switch my desktop over to linux and have dual monitors |
| 09:38.02 | art3mis | i just like the spinny cube and wobbly winders |
| 09:38.10 | art3mis | other than that it can suck a dick ;P |
| 09:38.20 | cncfanatics | youtube is slow : |
| 09:38.25 | art3mis | whats the glxgears command? |
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| 09:38.32 | art3mis | err switches |
| 09:38.37 | Arrowmaster | well since it can show more than one workspace at a time i think i could make use of it for dual monitor setup |
| 09:38.50 | cncfanatics | art3mis, what does fglrxinfo give as output ? :p |
| 09:38.55 | art3mis | Arrowmaster: yup the flat panning is nice too |
| 09:39.02 | cncfanatics | show more then one workspace at the time ? |
| 09:39.04 | cncfanatics | how ? |
| 09:39.05 | art3mis | tells me my card and stuff |
| 09:39.13 | art3mis | with compiz |
| 09:39.21 | art3mis | uits a layout that lets you flatpanel all vdesks |
| 09:39.26 | cncfanatics | OpenGL renderer string: |
| 09:39.32 | cncfanatics | whats next to that line art3mis ? |
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| 09:39.59 | art3mis | raedon xpress series |
| 09:39.59 | baer_ | art3mis: i'm not sure, but doesn't it reduce your wine-fps, if you run compiz or similiar composite extension? |
| 09:40.12 | art3mis | depends on the server |
| 09:40.16 | art3mis | in xorg hells yes |
| 09:40.25 | art3mis | in xgl or aigl not so much |
| 09:40.34 | art3mis | since it's more or less running that to maintain the desktop |
| 09:40.46 | art3mis | i might be wrong but thats what ive noticed |
| 09:40.58 | art3mis | i hate xorg |
| 09:41.01 | art3mis | oh so very much |
| 09:41.10 | cncfanatics | meh |
| 09:41.12 | cncfanatics | u hate all good stuff |
| 09:41.16 | art3mis | xorg is the reason that most people have issues with ati drivers on thier nix machines |
| 09:41.19 | cncfanatics | switch back to the old stuff then |
| 09:41.28 | cncfanatics | art3mis, proof ? |
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| 09:41.41 | art3mis | xorg 6.9 supported the bleeding edge ati drivers and cards |
| 09:41.44 | art3mis | 7.1 didnt |
| 09:41.49 | art3mis | 7.2 didnt |
| 09:41.54 | Jaxon | I'm pretty sure ATi drivers are the reason that most people have issues with ATi cards on their *nix machines... |
| 09:41.56 | art3mis | and no effort was being made to do so |
| 09:41.58 | cncfanatics | then switch back to 6.9 |
| 09:42.02 | cncfanatics | I do wonder why though |
| 09:42.05 | cncfanatics | why arent they supported ? |
| 09:42.14 | art3mis | tree hugging hippies ;P |
| 09:42.15 | Arrowmaster | my vision for a multi monitor setup is one that i can switch my 2nd display to having my main workspace on when i want to do something like a fullscreen game or video on my main desktop, cant really think of a way to do that without beryl/compiz |
| 09:42.19 | art3mis | oh arrow |
| 09:42.23 | cncfanatics | art3mis, dont come with bullshit arguments :p |
| 09:42.26 | Jaxon | Because ATi doesn't update their drivers nearly as often as xorg releases. |
| 09:42.27 | art3mis | i found the most awesome gadget the other day |
| 09:42.40 | Xinhuan | just use Win XP ~_~ |
| 09:42.41 | art3mis | jaxon: right so it should still support the old releases ;P |
| 09:42.47 | Xinhuan | least problems usually |
| 09:42.56 | cncfanatics | oh, can someone write a small shellscript for me ? |
| 09:42.59 | cncfanatics | I suck with them |
| 09:43.08 | art3mis | jaxon: not to mention that certain drivers like 8.35 for example work in 6.9 but dont in the 7.x series |
| 09:43.18 | Jaxon | art3mis: ATi drivers would be written for specific xorg versions, not the other way around. A good question to ask, why is ATi writing their newest drivers for old xorg versions? |
| 09:43.24 | art3mis | Arrowmaster: its a usb montior dongle |
| 09:43.30 | art3mis | plug in and get another desktop |
| 09:43.40 | Arrowmaster | thats why you get an nvidia card if you use linux |
| 09:43.41 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 09:43.43 | Arrowmaster | where |
| 09:43.46 | Arrowmaster | i want to see this |
| 09:43.47 | art3mis | tigerdirect |
| 09:43.54 | art3mis | was in their mailer |
| 09:44.07 | cncfanatics | if I do "./script.sh blabla" I need the script to call randomprogram blabla |
| 09:44.15 | cncfanatics | how wld I do that simple shit heh ? |
| 09:44.17 | art3mis | http://www.usbgear.com/USB-Video-Card.html |
| 09:44.43 | cncfanatics | art3mis, you should blame Ati for their latest drivers to work with old versions only, not the reverse |
| 09:44.51 | Pheredhel | cncfanatics: depends on the shell you're using |
| 09:45.02 | cncfanatics | Pheredhel, bash |
| 09:45.05 | Arrowmaster | hes probably using sh |
| 09:45.06 | art3mis | jaxon: umm no... they wrote the drivers for the current version of xorg, then xorg changd shit that almsot looks like it purposely refused backward compatible support |
| 09:45.40 | Jaxon | art3mis: breaking backwards compatibility is why xorg was forked from XF86, as well as licensing issues. |
| 09:45.53 | art3mis | which is why i despise xorg |
| 09:45.55 | art3mis | ;) |
| 09:45.57 | cncfanatics | art3mis, going from 6.X to 7.X is almost saying that it has no backwards support with version numbers only |
| 09:46.15 | Pheredhel | cncfanatics: randomprogram $1 |
| 09:46.29 | Pheredhel | as $1 is the first parameter to a bash script |
| 09:46.33 | art3mis | lets also note that they support every nvidia card... but not ati cards and have almost stated as such that they are more concerned with nvidia |
| 09:46.37 | cncfanatics | what would all parameters be ? |
| 09:46.42 | art3mis | which leads me to believe thier just jerks |
| 09:46.43 | art3mis | ;) |
| 09:46.46 | cncfanatics | art3mis |
| 09:46.47 | Pheredhel | $1 $2 $3 ... ;) |
| 09:46.48 | cncfanatics | ur a jerk there |
| 09:46.56 | Jaxon | nVidia is much more helpful to the open source community. |
| 09:46.59 | art3mis | how so? because i like my ati cards? |
| 09:47.11 | art3mis | i went through this with amd too |
| 09:47.11 | cncfanatics | art3mis, ati should support xorg, not the other way aroun |
| 09:47.14 | cncfanatics | around* |
| 09:47.23 | art3mis | and i STILL suport amd over intel |
| 09:47.23 | cncfanatics | ati doesnt do shit to help them |
| 09:47.25 | Pheredhel | oh an $@ is all at once |
| 09:47.28 | Pheredhel | just forgot |
| 09:48.27 | cncfanatics | hmmm, the start line in a shell script is always #! right ? |
| 09:48.31 | cncfanatics | #!/bin/sh ? |
| 09:49.02 | Pheredhel | the shebang (#!) line just says what program to use to run the script |
| 09:49.05 | art3mis | yup |
| 09:49.13 | art3mis | or usr/bin/bash |
| 09:49.20 | Pheredhel | so if you want to use bash : #!/bin/bash whould help |
| 09:49.23 | Pheredhel | bash sh |
| 09:49.37 | art3mis | #!/bin/adventuresh |
| 09:49.39 | art3mis | ;) |
| 09:49.47 | cncfanatics | does it even matter what I use for such a simple stuff lol ? |
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| 09:49.49 | Pheredhel | #!/bin/false |
| 09:50.01 | art3mis | cnc not really |
| 09:50.07 | art3mis | bin/sh is fine |
| 09:50.34 | art3mis | bash just has different variable support and if you're using bash as your shell vars may not function correctly in sh |
| 09:50.58 | cncfanatics | ok, works :) thanks |
| 09:50.59 | Pheredhel | and some shells have different names for the parameters ;) |
| 09:51.21 | cncfanatics | The file UI-Quickslot2.blp is not a valid BLP file |
| 09:51.23 | cncfanatics | great ... |
| 09:53.05 | art3mis | hrm i need some good and pretty gl screen savers |
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| 09:53.25 | Crag_Hack | !c bloodfeather baesj |
| 09:53.40 | Crag_Hack | !c eu bloodfeather baesj |
| 09:53.57 | ThraeBot | Crag_Hack: Baesj, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/5/48). 14841 HP; 14618 Armour; 718 AP; 133.4 Melee DPS; 10.96% melee crit; 45 melee hit; 12 +spell dmg/heal; 305 defense; 19.95% dodge; 26.57% block; 4 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 1293 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2479ww ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qpbe8 ]] |
| 09:54.19 | Pheredhel | !c eu frostmourne Pheredhel |
| 09:54.36 | ThraeBot | Pheredhel: Pheredhel, Level 70 Night Elf Priest (28/33/0). 6701 HP; 10230 Mana; 311 mana regen; 84 mp5; 4 spell crit; 17 spell hit; 62 +spell dmg; 1390 +heal; 6.78% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 737 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/22thme ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2s8j9k ]] |
| 09:55.14 | cncfanatics | http://cncfanatic.free.fr/UI-Quickslot2.blp could someone convert this to tga for me ? |
| 09:55.58 | Jaxon | Google says http://toogam.bespin.org/wow/psptut.htm ? |
| 09:57.46 | Xinhuan | cncfanatics: why don't you just inherit the normal action template and save the pain :P |
| 09:58.09 | Xinhuan | its not like it uses anymore or less memory |
| 09:58.21 | Crag_Hack | !c eu genjuros cragghack |
| 09:58.37 | ThraeBot | Crag_Hack: Cragghack, Level 70 Undead Rogue (17/44/0). 8554 HP; 1424 AP; 312.2 Melee DPS; 22.27% melee crit; 159 melee hit; 27.53% dodge; 17 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1063 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2ccojh ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2u2a64 ]] |
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| 09:59.09 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47304 10FuBar_QuestsFu/ (24 files in 11 dirs): |
| 09:59.09 | CIA-14 | FuBar_QuestsFu: |
| 09:59.09 | CIA-14 | - added/updated zhTW localization |
| 10:02.06 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, cuz then I cant have lots of custom stuff in it |
| 10:02.10 | cncfanatics | and my dragger wont work |
| 10:02.22 | Xinhuan | i don't see why it wouldn't work |
| 10:02.23 | cncfanatics | how do u plan on implementing my dragger with the ActionButtonTemplate ? |
| 10:02.33 | cncfanatics | the dragger is what is messing the texture in the first place |
| 10:02.35 | cncfanatics | without it it works |
| 10:02.43 | cncfanatics | so if I inherit of the template and then add the dragger |
| 10:02.46 | cncfanatics | why would it work ? |
| 10:03.03 | Xinhuan | you just need to set the parents and child properly or something |
| 10:03.31 | cncfanatics | tell me how to then :p |
| 10:03.33 | Xinhuan | you can always call StartMoving() on a different object from the one you are actually clicking on |
| 10:03.46 | cncfanatics | hmmm true |
| 10:03.50 | cncfanatics | might do it that way |
| 10:03.57 | Xinhuan | many addons allow you to move the blizard UI |
| 10:04.09 | Xinhuan | because they set up a transparent frame on top of the blizzard frame |
| 10:04.18 | cncfanatics | I could I supose put a dragger over it and anchor the dragger to the frame instead of the reverse |
| 10:04.24 | Xinhuan | and when you drag the transparent frame, it mvoes the parent frame (the blizzard frame) it is parented to |
| 10:04.26 | cncfanatics | currently anchoring frame to dragger |
| 10:04.33 | Xinhuan | and the transparent frame would then move with the parent |
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| 10:09.35 | Gngsk | so who thinks the new dustwallow quests will involve the end of missing diplomat chain? |
| 10:10.27 | mort|work | would be too nice |
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| 10:12.07 | Nickenyfiken | Gngsk: haven't they already said that chain will not be continued? |
| 10:12.21 | Gngsk | I dunno, if you can find the thread you're a better man than I |
| 10:12.26 | Nickenyfiken | Also it's a alliance side chain, what would they do for Horde? |
| 10:12.47 | Gngsk | sure they're is gonna be plenty for both factions |
| 10:13.10 | Ordog | http://www.moanmyip.com/ <- besonders am arbeitsplatz mit boxen sehr gut! |
| 10:15.24 | Punkie` | it's almost as if you didn't change your name just to say that |
| 10:17.59 | Nickenyfiken | haha |
| 10:25.10 | art3mis | http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/24/could-the-gphone-be-nigh/ |
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| 10:29.05 | CIA-14 | FuBar_GarbageFu: |
| 10:29.05 | CIA-14 | - change "DoubleClick to toggle bag" to "Click to toggle bag", make it same as BagFu |
| 10:34.28 | art3mis | http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=82002 |
| 10:39.44 | mitch0-zZ | eh, this one is funny :) http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-1.02.html |
| 10:40.57 | orionshock | question bout ace db |
| 10:41.13 | orionshock | the wiki says 7 types of data and im assuming its in the classic form of self.db.char/.class/.relm/.ect -- now can i use any value there or do i have to use one of those 7? |
| 10:43.02 | Nargiddley | has to be those 7 |
| 10:43.15 | orionshock | ok |
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| 10:46.27 | CIA-14 | AuldLangSyne: |
| 10:46.27 | CIA-14 | - Update locale koKR |
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| 10:50.43 | art3mis | k that battle minimap is awesome |
| 10:51.08 | art3mis | hrm i should have gone to bed a while ago |
| 10:51.14 | art3mis | oh well guess ill just stay up |
| 10:54.58 | cncfanatics | art3mis, I hate you, go away :) |
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| 11:00.37 | art3mis | laugh why for now? |
| 11:01.26 | art3mis | the amazing johnathan rules btw |
| 11:01.53 | cncfanatics | I just hate you without any particulat reason, as it should be |
| 11:02.08 | art3mis | well thats good |
| 11:02.14 | art3mis | at least its completely un based ;P |
| 11:02.47 | art3mis | if you hate indescriminately and randomly you can never be accused of racism ;P |
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| 11:06.33 | cncfanatics | hmm, SetVertexColor on :GetCheckedTexture(); makes it look very ugly imo |
| 11:09.48 | cncfanatics | http://cncfanatic.free.fr/highlight.png which one looks better ? the blue or the regular one ? (not the color, I mean how its glowing) |
| 11:10.20 | cncfanatics | someone plx answer :p |
| 11:10.52 | Jaxon | The blue is less intrusive but won't work well on darker backgrounds. |
| 11:11.38 | cncfanatics | well, the only thing I changed is the VertexColor, i'm actualy wondering why they dont look the same |
| 11:11.55 | cncfanatics | any idea ? |
| 11:12.47 | art3mis | cuz of the colour choice |
| 11:13.00 | art3mis | the blue should show like the yellow does if the background was lighter |
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| 11:13.46 | cncfanatics | green one shows fine, blue not, thats weird -.- |
| 11:14.01 | cncfanatics | lemme get a white background |
| 11:16.12 | cncfanatics | you're right |
| 11:16.30 | cncfanatics | meh, would taking a lighter blue solve it ? |
| 11:16.40 | art3mis | uyp try cyan |
| 11:17.08 | cncfanatics | lighter blue makes it worse |
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| 11:18.52 | cncfanatics | hmmm, purple is already used |
| 11:18.54 | cncfanatics | for channeling |
| 11:19.37 | cncfanatics | what would a good color be for equiped items that should show up right and is not green, red, orange, purple, white |
| 11:20.38 | art3mis | the colour of thier rarity? |
| 11:20.54 | cncfanatics | hmmmz, its for equiped items |
| 11:21.00 | cncfanatics | that could do |
| 11:21.09 | cncfanatics | purple doesnt glow well though |
| 11:21.18 | cncfanatics | and it'd be confusing for greens as buffs are green too |
| 11:21.23 | cncfanatics | and blue doesnt show well either -.- |
| 11:21.35 | [dRaCo] | yellow? |
| 11:22.12 | cncfanatics | lemme try |
| 11:23.13 | cncfanatics | telklow looks damn fine |
| 11:23.15 | cncfanatics | yellow* |
| 11:24.58 | [dRaCo] | =) |
| 11:25.05 | cncfanatics | all hail draco :p |
| 11:27.34 | Jaxon | One bit of lag, miss a click during Simon and get yourself killed. Yay |
| 11:28.15 | art3mis | yay |
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| 11:28.22 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 11:28.22 | CIA-14 | Action.lua |
| 11:28.22 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.22 | CIA-14 | Layout.lua |
| 11:28.22 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.24 | CIA-14 | Highlighting.lua: |
| 11:28.28 | art3mis | thats one of my fav quests to do over and over |
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| 11:28.37 | CIA-14 | ClosetGnome_Mount: |
| 11:28.37 | CIA-14 | - Fixed localization koKR |
| 11:28.54 | orionshock | wtb [help] |
| 11:29.23 | orionshock | anyone know where i can look up how to build a regex? |
| 11:29.45 | [Ammo] | what kind of regexp |
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| 11:30.12 | orionshock | it's late for me, try again... |
| 11:30.27 | orionshock | something say type ie: string, number mixed? |
| 11:30.40 | [dRaCo] | regex to do what? lua pattern? php regex? perl regex? |
| 11:30.45 | orionshock | lua |
| 11:31.49 | [dRaCo] | http://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html |
| 11:32.07 | cncfanatics | if u want something to say the type, just do isstring, isnumber, etc ? |
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| 11:32.23 | cncfanatics | if its a string, you could do tonumber(string) to see if it matches a number |
| 11:32.53 | orionshock | well ... parsing a addon message |
| 11:33.26 | orionshock | some thing to the effect of 5 fields seperated by commas |
| 11:33.28 | [dRaCo] | check the link. |
| 11:33.34 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: if type(foo) == "string" then ... |
| 11:33.39 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.44 | orionshock | tyvm |
| 11:34.32 | cncfanatics | [Ammo], ah yea, confusing with php where its isstring me |
| 11:34.37 | cncfanatics | s/me/meh/ |
| 11:37.24 | orionshock | ok now for the reality check on that regex idea |
| 11:37.37 | orionshock | :D |
| 11:38.17 | orionshock | " Owner, ItemID, Value, Ammount, YYYYMMDD-2400 " -- is the expected layout of the string |
| 11:38.52 | Jaxon | With the spaces at the beginning and end? |
| 11:38.53 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.13 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.27 | Jaxon | You need to use brackets to determine what you want to capture. |
| 11:39.33 | Jaxon | Are there spaces after the commas? |
| 11:40.06 | orionshock | no |
| 11:40.11 | orionshock | << half asleep |
| 11:40.19 | orionshock | should there be? |
| 11:40.37 | orionshock | im taking that as a yes the regex should explictly match the layout |
| 11:41.18 | cncfanatics | you could allow both |
| 11:41.19 | cncfanatics | easyest |
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| 11:41.36 | Arrowmaster | "([^,]+),([^,]+),([^,]+),([^,]+),(%d%d%d%d)(%d%d)(%d%d)-2400" |
| 11:41.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah im a shitty bastard |
| 11:41.54 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: that looks compricated |
| 11:41.56 | Jaxon | What if there was a comma in the item name? |
| 11:42.08 | orionshock | no no comma in item name... |
| 11:42.09 | Jaxon | Or the date |
| 11:42.41 | orionshock | no, date has format of YYYYMMDD and a 24hr format seperated by a dash or something |
| 11:42.50 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 11:43.10 | Arrowmaster | "([^,]+),([^,]+),([^,]+),([^,]+),(%d%d%d%d)(%d%d)(%d%d)-(%d%d)(%d%d)" |
| 11:43.17 | orionshock | btw ItemID is just the riped out Item ID, nothing special |
| 11:43.31 | Arrowmaster | would give you owner, itemid, value, ammount, year, month, day, hour, minute |
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| 11:44.01 | orionshock | im suddenly not caring about the hour or minut |
| 11:44.09 | Arrowmaster | unless im tired and did it wrong, which may be true since ive been up alnight |
| 11:45.28 | Arrowmaster | well the () mark captures so just changing the (%d%d)(%d%d) to %d%d%d%d would make it still require them to be 4 numbers for the entire pattern to match but wouldnt return them |
| 11:45.53 | Jaxon | And %d%d%d%d can be replaced with %d{4} |
| 11:46.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah probably |
| 11:46.18 | orionshock | suddenly i don't care about including the time.. feels complicated.. |
| 11:46.18 | Arrowmaster | actually no |
| 11:46.32 | Jaxon | Lua's regexp doesn't suport curly brackets? |
| 11:46.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont think lua includes {} in its patterns |
| 11:46.44 | Arrowmaster | Some characters, called magic characters, have special meanings when used in a pattern. The magic characters are |
| 11:46.50 | Arrowmaster | ( ) . % + - * ? [ ^ $ |
| 11:46.57 | Jaxon | Thats silly. |
| 11:47.08 | orionshock | in the context that im using it in the time dosn't matter anymore, tho in a differnt one it will |
| 11:47.21 | Jaxon | + ? * are the only quantifiers, wtf |
| 11:47.29 | Arrowmaster | - is too |
| 11:48.01 | Jaxon | Oh, nongreedy |
| 11:48.03 | cncfanatics | date is actualy the most easy thing |
| 11:48.09 | orionshock | :D ok was there something simple that came out of this or is Arrowmaster's really long one the best? |
| 11:48.15 | cncfanatics | just some %d between brackers meh |
| 11:48.28 | Jaxon | Arrowmaster's is quite simple and willw ork |
| 11:48.32 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 11:48.41 | Arrowmaster | orionshock: are there any spaces in the string? |
| 11:48.56 | Arrowmaster | pasting 1 example would be best |
| 11:49.01 | orionshock | not quite sure yet.. one sec let me look back on it |
| 11:50.26 | orionshock | message = "Atradies, 6948, 0, 1, 20070824" |
| 11:50.53 | orionshock | useing spaces just feels natural but i guess i can omit them as it's going to be parsed into a DB anywase kinda dosn't matter |
| 11:51.15 | Jaxon | If there are spaces in the original string it matters what regexp you use to parse it. |
| 11:51.15 | Arrowmaster | "([^,]+), ([^,]+), ([^,]+) ,([^,]+), (%d%d%d%d)(%d%d)(%d%d)" |
| 11:51.42 | orionshock | and that one will match the one i gave? |
| 11:51.42 | Arrowmaster | do you just want the date or do you want the date seperated out into year month day |
| 11:52.10 | orionshock | ?don't know |
| 11:52.52 | orionshock | 20070824 > 20070925 so i guess i just want the glob as is |
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| 11:53.04 | Arrowmaster | "([^,]+), ([^,]+), ([^,]+) ,([^,]+), (%d%d%d%d%d%d%d%d)" |
| 11:53.09 | orionshock | 20070824 < 20070925 so i guess i just want the glob as is |
| 11:53.40 | orionshock | cant i use (%d+) instead? |
| 11:53.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 11:55.04 | orionshock | >.< |
| 11:55.07 | orionshock | (%a+), (%d+), (%d+), (%d+), (%d+) |
| 11:55.25 | orionshock | why does that feel easier? |
| 11:55.34 | orionshock | any real differance? |
| 11:55.57 | Jaxon | In my experience, its been better to be a specific as possible with your regular expressions. |
| 11:56.05 | orionshock | good point |
| 11:56.16 | Arrowmaster | i dont know, like i mentioned earlyer right after i first said it with the ([^,]+), im a bastard |
| 11:56.51 | orionshock | what exactly does ([^,]+) match? |
| 11:56.59 | Arrowmaster | everything but , |
| 11:57.00 | Jaxon | It reads as |
| 11:57.14 | Arrowmaster | use yours |
| 11:57.16 | Jaxon | "capture one or more characters that isn't a comma" |
| 11:57.44 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47309 10FlexBar2/FlexBar2.toc: FlexBar2: Updated OptionalDeps |
| 11:58.11 | orionshock | ok, i'll keep that regex arround and use it if shit blows up |
| 11:58.19 | Gngsk | poop |
| 11:58.28 | Nargiddley | you'll want to match negative itemid's as well |
| 11:59.11 | Arrowmaster | hes probably only checking the actuall itemid and not the full itemid |
| 11:59.12 | orionshock | ah the - wouldn't be grabed |
| 11:59.31 | Nargiddley | hm yeah the -ve is for the extra bits |
| 11:59.52 | Nargiddley | too used to hitting that prob when getting id from links |
| 11:59.53 | orionshock | it's just the pain ItemID, nothing special.. don't care much bout enchants and gems... tho.. suffix might be worthwile |
| 12:00.42 | orionshock | but suffix isn't negitive tho |
| 12:00.51 | orionshock | i think |
| 12:00.55 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 12:00.57 | Arrowmaster | or can be |
| 12:01.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah all the tbc stuff is negative |
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| 12:02.09 | orionshock | um..no |
| 12:02.24 | orionshock | provided that "http://www.wowwiki.com/SuffixId" is up to date |
| 12:02.33 | orionshock | there are no negitive listed ID's |
| 12:02.51 | Arrowmaster | perty sure the tbc suffixes such as of the bandit are negative |
| 12:03.30 | orionshock | ah well Reading FTW... |
| 12:03.35 | orionshock | yes they can be |
| 12:04.20 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemRandomSuffix |
| 12:04.27 | orionshock | ya just saw that |
| 12:05.31 | orionshock | ok so the layout becomes more to the effect of: [Owner,ItemID,suffixID,Value,amount,YYYYMMDD] |
| 12:05.48 | pb_ee1 | Is one of the devs of WAU around here? |
| 12:06.01 | Arrowmaster | if your storing suffix you should store uniqid too |
| 12:06.14 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47310 10LibStub/ (. LibStub.lua): |
| 12:06.14 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-4 |
| 12:06.14 | CIA-14 | - We can return from NewLibrary aswell, if we call with the same minor |
| 12:06.19 | orionshock | don't really care bout Unique ID |
| 12:06.26 | orionshock | could care less who made it |
| 12:07.00 | Arrowmaster | uniqueid is used with negative suffixes to determine their value |
| 12:08.05 | orionshock | ? not according to the wiki |
| 12:08.38 | mitch0-zZ | what's this LibStub thing? |
| 12:08.59 | orionshock | ZOmg WTF was blizzard smoking when they did that |
| 12:09.00 | Arrowmaster | that suffixfactor is calculated from the uniqueid |
| 12:09.02 | orionshock | >.> |
| 12:09.24 | orionshock | if ur going to smoke pot, share |
| 12:11.49 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.50 | cncfanatics | loool |
| 12:13.49 | mitch0-zZ | nevcariel: what's the point of LibStub? |
| 12:13.52 | orionshock | as for AceDB conserns what's better to use "Owner.ItemID.suffix.uniqueID" or "Owner.ItemID:suffix:uniqueID" ? |
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| 12:14.11 | orionshock | or is the 2nd one not allowed? |
| 12:14.20 | cncfanatics | syntaxicly not allowed |
| 12:14.23 | cncfanatics | : is for functions |
| 12:14.47 | orionshock | well first method it is... |
| 12:14.51 | cncfanatics | and you do mean [Owner][ItemID][suffix][uniqueID] |
| 12:14.52 | orionshock | ugly but doable |
| 12:15.17 | orionshock | cncfanatics: isn't that in the end the same key referance? |
| 12:16.25 | orionshock | given the format of "Owner,ItemID:suffixID:UniqueID,Value,amount,YYYYMMDD" |
| 12:16.41 | orionshock | and the String of ""atradies,6948:0:0,0,1,20070824"" |
| 12:16.44 | Arrowmaster | no Owner.ItemID.suffix.uniqueID and ["Owner"]["ItemID"]["suffix"]["uniqueID"] are the same |
| 12:17.29 | Arrowmaster | if your talking about storing this in a string then it doesnt really matter how you divide it up |
| 12:17.56 | orionshock | the final call would be : self.db.account.guildBank.idb.Atradies.69448.0.0 |
| 12:18.15 | Arrowmaster | ok then yeah you cant use : |
| 12:18.33 | orionshock | arn't the [...] used to specify db keys in a search type method? |
| 12:18.52 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.58 | Arrowmaster | [] is used when your using a variable |
| 12:19.02 | orionshock | ya |
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| 12:19.58 | Arrowmaster | which you would use since i doubt your hardcoding names and itemids into your addon |
| 12:20.10 | orionshock | nope |
| 12:21.08 | orionshock | so correct me if im wrong.. |
| 12:21.17 | orionshock | given string = regex |
| 12:21.23 | orionshock | owner,itemID:suffixID:uniqueID,value,amount,YYYYMMDD = (%a+),(%d+):(%d):(%d+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+) |
| 12:21.25 | orionshock | ya? |
| 12:22.52 | cncfanatics | AceAddon:IsFullyInitialized, when is that false and when true ? |
| 12:22.57 | cncfanatics | after OnEnable its true ? |
| 12:23.00 | cncfanatics | or after OnInitialize ? |
| 12:23.33 | orionshock | & good night newYork, ttly |
| 12:23.43 | Arrowmaster | its false during both |
| 12:24.04 | Arrowmaster | becomes true later after youve joined all chat channels i think |
| 12:24.59 | Arrowmaster | "(%a+),(%d+):([%d-]+):([%d-]+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+)" |
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| 12:25.43 | Arrowmaster | wait |
| 12:26.03 | Arrowmaster | "(%a+),(%d+):(-?%d+):(-?%d+),(%d+),(%d+),(%d+)" |
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| 12:31.43 | cncfanatics | meh, dont feel like coding my text subs engine |
| 12:31.45 | cncfanatics | pattern matching FTL |
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| 12:34.43 | cncfanatics | who's the cycircle author ? |
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| 12:37.02 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47311 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 12:37.02 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-7 |
| 12:37.02 | CIA-14 | - Initial version of GetInstance |
| 12:38.17 | cncfanatics | whats LibStub nevcairiel ? |
| 12:38.24 | [Ammo] | generic library stub |
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| 12:38.38 | cncfanatics | clarify ? :p |
| 12:38.55 | [Ammo] | basically something we intend to use for the next Ace |
| 12:39.05 | [Ammo] | and which can be used by others as well |
| 12:39.41 | [Ammo] | writing it in cooperation with dongle and some other addon authors (or at least trying to get their attention for it and see if we can have it adopted) |
| 12:39.52 | cncfanatics | what is it ? |
| 12:39.58 | [Ammo] | it's a stub |
| 12:40.13 | cncfanatics | I managed to get that far by my own thank you, stub for libraries ? |
| 12:40.16 | kenlyric | who's on first? |
| 12:40.24 | kenlyric | stub's on second. |
| 12:40.33 | [Ammo] | think AceLibrary, but smaller than small |
| 12:40.41 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 12:40.42 | [Ammo] | without any Ace relation |
| 12:40.55 | cncfanatics | what exactly would it be used for ? |
| 12:40.56 | [Ammo] | or dependancies |
| 12:40.58 | kenlyric | it's like a steak, only it tastes like an orange. |
| 12:41.01 | [Ammo] | every lib |
| 12:41.06 | cncfanatics | have all libraries LoD ? and this loads the needed ones ? |
| 12:41.14 | [Ammo] | you don't understand |
| 12:41.19 | [Ammo] | AceLibrary is a stub as well |
| 12:41.22 | cncfanatics | indeed, so explain :p |
| 12:41.24 | [Ammo] | this just replaces that |
| 12:41.33 | [Ammo] | or rather it can't replace it atm |
| 12:41.39 | [Ammo] | but it can be used for more than just ace libs |
| 12:41.46 | kenlyric | wow! |
| 12:41.52 | kenlyric | 3 of my emails emerged a winnder! |
| 12:42.13 | kenlyric | no, that's not a typo. i've winnd |
| 12:44.41 | art3mis | yay! |
| 12:45.01 | art3mis | but why did they be winnders? |
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| 12:46.14 | Pkekyo | anyone know if it's possible to route via port 1863 (local firewall) thrugh port 6667 on an external computer? |
| 12:46.25 | kenlyric | i've winnd some sort of lottery in africa. 3 times! |
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| 12:49.31 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, I can do that with my router |
| 12:50.15 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: the twist of this situation is: I'm attempting to do so to screw over my network admin ;> |
| 12:50.43 | Arrowmaster | do you have access to the firewall/router? |
| 12:51.22 | Pkekyo | no |
| 12:51.31 | art3mis | then yer screwed |
| 12:51.33 | Pkekyo | if I had, I'd just open port 6667 |
| 12:51.39 | Arrowmaster | do you have a computer on the outside |
| 12:51.46 | Pkekyo | several if needed |
| 12:51.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm, shld be possible to configure a program to contant a certain port using another port |
| 12:51.53 | art3mis | actually you just need a bounce? |
| 12:51.59 | Pkekyo | probably |
| 12:52.03 | cncfanatics | indeed heh |
| 12:52.17 | art3mis | get bncirc |
| 12:52.28 | Arrowmaster | i just used ssh tunnels back in highschool |
| 12:52.30 | Pkekyo | the dickwad of an admin at school shut down the IRC port....I am not amused! :> |
| 12:52.30 | art3mis | set it up on the outside on port 1863 |
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| 12:52.41 | art3mis | and itll bounce and relay you |
| 12:52.47 | Arrowmaster | most irc servers listen to more than one port |
| 12:52.56 | art3mis | you could also try 6668 6669 and 9000 ;P |
| 12:53.04 | Arrowmaster | 7000 too |
| 12:53.08 | art3mis | yup |
| 12:53.15 | Pkekyo | art3mis: only open ports on my school's firewall are 1863 and 80 |
| 12:53.21 | art3mis | or run realvnc at home and just connect via a predefined port |
| 12:53.40 | Arrowmaster | my guess is if hes enough of a dick to block irc then hes probably an idiot and only blocked 6667 |
| 12:53.45 | art3mis | www.ircatschool.com ;P |
| 12:54.20 | art3mis | bouncing back to your hopme amchine is by far the easiest way to do it though |
| 12:54.23 | art3mis | home |
| 12:54.31 | art3mis | specially if you do it on port 80 |
| 12:54.43 | art3mis | why is 1863 open btw? |
| 12:54.44 | Arrowmaster | pff i did it all trough ssh |
| 12:54.44 | cncfanatics | heh, I had everything blocked at my old work |
| 12:54.51 | mitch0-zZ | 1863 is the microsoft messneger thing? |
| 12:54.55 | Pkekyo | art3mis: don't have a clue, he's a fucktard |
| 12:55.06 | art3mis | wait he wont allow irc but msn is fine? |
| 12:55.19 | art3mis | or did you mean the internal messenger |
| 12:55.23 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, be happy u didnt work where I did, only way I could get on irc was ircatschool or ircatwork, there was no damn way to get through the firewall |
| 12:55.30 | art3mis | for making popups that say 'come see me at once!" |
| 12:55.31 | Pkekyo | art3mis: yes, msn is fine. used for internal purposes |
| 12:55.53 | Arrowmaster | work or school? |
| 12:55.59 | mitch0-zZ | http://www.seifried.org/security/ports/1000/1863.html |
| 12:56.15 | Arrowmaster | if its work then wow serious fail for using msn |
| 12:56.17 | mitch0-zZ | kinda stupid to open that but close irc... |
| 12:56.35 | cncfanatics | any open port can allow you to do anything anyway |
| 12:56.47 | cncfanatics | as long as you bounce |
| 12:56.49 | kenlyric | irc is pretty nasty. |
| 12:56.56 | Pkekyo | Arrowmaster: school |
| 12:56.59 | kenlyric | especially inbound. |
| 12:57.02 | mitch0-zZ | kenlyric: while MSN is not? :) |
| 12:57.11 | art3mis | yeah thats yer options... setup a bouncer to irc on your home pc, use ircatschool.com or just realvnc to your home on 1863 |
| 12:57.14 | kenlyric | nearly all bot networks have IRC C&Cs |
| 12:57.36 | Arrowmaster | Pkekyo: what irc network are you trying to connect to? |
| 12:57.53 | kenlyric | msn's only nasty to idiots who click on links when they winnd the lottary |
| 12:58.04 | Pkekyo | Arrowmaster: mainly freenode europe :> |
| 12:58.05 | mitch0-zZ | but anyway, port 443 is almost sure to be open, so if all else fails you can tunnel out ssh thru it |
| 12:58.14 | art3mis | and nasty for various blast multilpe window exploits that msn has ;P |
| 12:58.14 | kenlyric | but those people are screwed no matter what they use. |
| 12:58.22 | Arrowmaster | Pkekyo: freenode has an ssl server iic |
| 12:58.29 | Pkekyo | mitch0-zZ: ONLY open ports are 1863 and 80 |
| 12:58.34 | kenlyric | oh, you mean the msn application? |
| 12:58.36 | kenlyric | yeah, yuck. |
| 12:58.38 | Pkekyo | ssl? |
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| 12:58.48 | mitch0-zZ | pkekyo: so you can't view https:// sites? |
| 12:58.59 | art3mis | whats the ip ;) |
| 12:59.01 | mitch0-zZ | that's some weird setup then indeed... |
| 12:59.06 | art3mis | we can just do a quick portscan ;P |
| 12:59.15 | kenlyric | that's crazy. |
| 12:59.21 | Pkekyo | mitch0-zZ: yes, we even use them ourselves |
| 12:59.22 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, why not just use ircatwork ? |
| 12:59.59 | kenlyric | no network can function without 22 and 443 open. At least, not function usefully. |
| 13:00.18 | mitch0-zZ | pkekyo: ugh, you lost me there. what do you mean by "we even use them ourselves"? |
| 13:00.32 | Pkekyo | mitch0-zZ: https// sites |
| 13:00.43 | Pkekyo | they might be hosted internally though, not sure |
| 13:00.53 | Pkekyo | because I want to use my own client....if I wanted something jimmyrigged I'd just use logmein.com and this comp |
| 13:01.03 | mitch0-zZ | pkekyo: well, if you can can connect to some outside https:// site, I'm pretty sure port 443 is open, too |
| 13:01.19 | mitch0-zZ | might go thru some proxy though, but that doesn't matter |
| 13:02.09 | mitch0-zZ | but seriously, allowing ONLY msn is teh most retarded thing I've heard in a while |
| 13:02.38 | kenlyric | what school is this? |
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| 13:02.57 | kenlyric | we will want to point and laugh if we see them at conferences. |
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| 13:03.15 | CIA-14 | 03cladhaire * r47312 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 13:03.15 | CIA-14 | LibStub: |
| 13:03.15 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.15 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.18 | Pkekyo | mitch0-zZ: well, our admin IS retarded |
| 13:03.18 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: small norwegian piece of crap...you won't see them anywhere |
| 13:03.33 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, just bounce ? |
| 13:03.39 | cncfanatics | you can use my comp for that if u want |
| 13:03.41 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: if I only knew how :> |
| 13:03.49 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 13:03.51 | cncfanatics | ur at work right now ? |
| 13:04.06 | art3mis | bouncing is simple ;P |
| 13:04.11 | Pkekyo | nah, just got home |
| 13:04.21 | cncfanatics | setup a bouncer at home :) |
| 13:04.22 | Pkekyo | if not I wouldn't be able to sit on irc :< |
| 13:05.00 | cncfanatics | u might be using crappy ircatwork.com client |
| 13:05.23 | cncfanatics | http://www.ircproxy.night-light.net/ |
| 13:06.11 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r47313 10Baggins/ (Baggins-Options.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Fix Sections re-sorting when items removed in some cases |
| 13:07.45 | Pkekyo | never even heard of ircatwork before |
| 13:08.14 | Pkekyo | cheers cncfanatics, I'll look into it |
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| 13:09.07 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47314 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 13:09.07 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 13:09.07 | CIA-14 | - Store _minor so version upgrading will actually work |
| 13:09.07 | CIA-14 | - Don't clear the LS Object when not upgrading |
| 13:09.25 | cncfanatics | u should be able to set that up |
| 13:09.33 | cncfanatics | I suggest letting someone test it to make sure it works |
| 13:09.35 | Pkekyo | btw, is Windows a UNIX compatible system? |
| 13:09.42 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 13:09.51 | art3mis | oh it totally is ;P |
| 13:09.52 | cncfanatics | no but there is a windows version |
| 13:10.00 | art3mis | if by compatible you mean not at all |
| 13:10.20 | art3mis | well technically itll work "with" unix |
| 13:10.20 | Pkekyo | yeah, that's what I though....where can I get the windows version? :> |
| 13:10.27 | cncfanatics | hit download |
| 13:10.28 | art3mis | just not ON unix |
| 13:10.35 | cncfanatics | and click the fancy .exe file |
| 13:10.41 | cncfanatics | u can browse a website cant ya ? :p |
| 13:10.44 | art3mis | fancy schmancy |
| 13:11.34 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: never tried tbh |
| 13:12.10 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 13:13.11 | Pkekyo | I just started reading...didn't even realize there was a menu on the side :> |
| 13:13.37 | cncfanatics | nice |
| 13:13.43 | cncfanatics | are you mentally challenged ? |
| 13:13.55 | Pkekyo | no |
| 13:15.18 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47315 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 13:15.18 | CIA-14 | LibStub: |
| 13:15.18 | CIA-14 | - added a check for an early return if our version is older |
| 13:15.18 | CIA-14 | - moved the upgrade code around a bit |
| 13:17.12 | CIA-14 | 03borlox * r47316 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: |
| 13:17.12 | CIA-14 | Babble-2.2: |
| 13:17.12 | CIA-14 | Babble-Spell-2.2: |
| 13:17.12 | CIA-14 | - Updated deDE localization |
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| 13:31.51 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47317 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 13:31.51 | CIA-14 | LibStub: |
| 13:31.51 | CIA-14 | - LIBSTUB_MINOR is now a manually increased number, no revision string anymore |
| 13:31.51 | CIA-14 | - added metatable for LibStub("Library-1.0") support |
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| 13:36.04 | mikma | LibNub! |
| 13:36.32 | cncfanatics | NubLib > LibNub |
| 13:37.59 | mikma | so whos gonna make "Mother of all Libs, MotherLib" |
| 13:38.06 | cncfanatics | mikma can make that |
| 13:38.18 | MoonWolf | can i make daddylib ? |
| 13:38.33 | mikma | MoonWolf: only if you get a slogan "Who's your daddy? DaddyLib!" |
| 13:38.46 | MoonWolf | yay |
| 13:38.59 | cncfanatics | go commit them ! |
| 13:39.19 | Pkekyo | any way I can find my school's external IP without actually being there? |
| 13:40.11 | MoonWolf | get someone from inside there to tell you or get a connection from the inside to go to you. |
| 13:40.49 | mikma | nslookup yourschool.edu |
| 13:41.01 | cncfanatics | depends if the server is hosted at ur school or not |
| 13:41.01 | Fisker- | :;( |
| 13:41.14 | Pkekyo | myschool.edu does not exist |
| 13:41.26 | mikma | :( |
| 13:41.30 | mikma | then your out of luck |
| 13:41.48 | Pkekyo | meh, guess I'll have to sort it monday |
| 13:41.54 | cncfanatics | your crappy school has to have a website ? |
| 13:42.05 | Pkekyo | yes they do |
| 13:42.19 | Pkekyo | although it's not ONLY for that exact school |
| 13:42.29 | Fisker- | -Scrin Mothership will now take 8 seconds to deploy over the Scrin Signal Transmitter, where it will be unselectable by user but can be attacked by opponent. Scrin Mothership speed has been increased by 33%. Weapon chain reaction delay increased by 1 sec. |
| 13:42.30 | Fisker- | nooooo |
| 13:42.34 | Pkekyo | it has its share of a larger website |
| 13:42.39 | Fisker- | they nerfed my mothership-blitzkrieg |
| 13:42.52 | Pkekyo | Fisker-: say wha? |
| 13:43.01 | cncfanatics | yay, they finaly nerfed those crappy scrin shit |
| 13:43.16 | cncfanatics | hate em |
| 13:43.22 | Fisker- | I used a tactic in C&C3 where you take over an enemy building, put a signal transmitter and immediately launch a mothership |
| 13:43.33 | Fisker- | pulled of correctly you can kill the base before reinforcements arrive |
| 13:43.58 | MoonWolf | Fisker-, NERFBAT! |
| 13:44.02 | cncfanatics | those motherships were fucking way too uber |
| 13:44.12 | cncfanatics | had to fill my base with air defense cuz of em |
| 13:44.16 | Fisker- | i think in SC this would be called good micro |
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| 13:46.16 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47318 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 13:46.16 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-4 |
| 13:46.16 | CIA-14 | - raise error on level 2 ( so we blame the faulty lib, not us ) |
| 13:48.37 | CC--home | how do i change the font color in witchhunt?? |
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| 13:50.18 | [Ammo] | CC--home: you don't |
| 13:50.19 | CIA-14 | 03ammo * r47319 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 13:50.19 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 13:50.19 | CIA-14 | - Store new _minor when upgrading |
| 13:50.22 | [Ammo] | not yet at least |
| 13:51.20 | cncfanatics | damn |
| 13:51.27 | cncfanatics | can't say LibStub aint under active development :p |
| 13:51.42 | nevcairiel | you know how it is |
| 13:51.59 | [Ammo] | put a few pigeons together and some shitting will occur |
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| 13:53.22 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, anyone ever used flexbar1 ? |
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| 13:53.31 | cncfanatics | I need an oppinion on something I'm gonna make for fb2 |
| 13:53.35 | [Ammo] | for 5 minutes |
| 13:53.42 | cncfanatics | heh, know how textsubs work ? |
| 13:53.42 | [Ammo] | then I dumped it again |
| 13:53.58 | [Ammo] | no, I decided it was just not what I needed |
| 13:54.15 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r47320 10AtlasLoot/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 13:54.16 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot: |
| 13:54.16 | CIA-14 | - Started the BoE World Epic loot page |
| 13:54.21 | cncfanatics | lemme try to explain, I have 5 textsub fields, TOPLEFT, TOPRIGHT, BOTTOMLEFT, BOTTOMRIGHT and CENTER |
| 13:54.24 | cncfanatics | u can set subs for em |
| 13:54.34 | [Ammo] | oh those |
| 13:54.36 | [Ammo] | with keybind |
| 13:54.41 | [Ammo] | and reagentcount |
| 13:54.41 | [Ammo] | etc |
| 13:54.45 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47321 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: |
| 13:54.45 | CIA-14 | Babble-2.2: |
| 13:54.45 | CIA-14 | - revert borlox's change, this is the second time. please use an editor that support UTF-8 |
| 13:54.45 | cncfanatics | $(itemcount) for example would be replaced by the binding |
| 13:54.45 | [Ammo] | or just count |
| 13:54.47 | cncfanatics | yea etc |
| 13:54.49 | CIA-14 | 03celellach * r47322 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/sets.en.lua: |
| 13:54.49 | CIA-14 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 13:54.49 | CIA-14 | - Added the BoE World Epic items |
| 13:54.59 | cncfanatics | think its needed to implent support for more then one text sub per field ? |
| 13:55.21 | [Ammo] | your choice |
| 13:55.28 | [Ammo] | giving people all those options -> you bloat your addon |
| 13:55.37 | cncfanatics | FlexBar is all about options |
| 13:55.42 | [Ammo] | I code addons for myself and my featureset |
| 13:55.46 | nevcairiel | BloatBar? |
| 13:55.47 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:55.51 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, die :) |
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| 13:56.03 | [Ammo] | even BT3 is overkill for me |
| 13:56.10 | [Ammo] | but I'm correcting that with a 100 liner :p |
| 13:56.19 | nevcairiel | the sad thing |
| 13:56.22 | cncfanatics | well, if u code ur own actionars completely |
| 13:56.27 | [Ammo] | not completely |
| 13:56.28 | cncfanatics | I could do with about 200 lines prolly |
| 13:56.29 | nevcairiel | i agree with you about bt3 |
| 13:56.31 | [Ammo] | I just reposition the blizazrd ones |
| 13:56.33 | nevcairiel | but i got carried away |
| 13:56.34 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:56.49 | [Ammo] | remove artwork, zoom buttons, remove spacing |
| 13:56.50 | cncfanatics | heh, I think fb2 is pretty bloatfree atm, as in, useless code |
| 13:56.52 | [Ammo] | and make em all horizontal |
| 13:56.59 | [Ammo] | nono, features create bloat as well |
| 13:56.59 | Arrowmaster | zoom buttons? |
| 13:57.06 | [Ammo] | zoomed texture |
| 13:57.09 | Arrowmaster | but the rest look like shit |
| 13:57.10 | [Ammo] | so the ugly rounded borders go poof |
| 13:57.10 | nevcairiel | "Zoomed" skin in BT3 |
| 13:57.11 | cncfanatics | depends if they're useless or not [Ammo] |
| 13:57.30 | Arrowmaster | why would you remove zoomed |
| 13:57.35 | cncfanatics | I personaly use most features that ake cpu cycles in fb |
| 13:58.19 | cncfanatics | s/ake/take/ |
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| 13:59.37 | cncfanatics | I do have lots of code that will jsut take useless memory most of the time though |
| 13:59.40 | cncfanatics | (config GUI ...) |
| 13:59.43 | cncfanatics | should make that LoD really |
| 13:59.59 | [Ammo] | what I'm doing is basically one script |
| 14:00.09 | [Ammo] | that slams the blizzard bars into submission |
| 14:00.26 | cncfanatics | easy enough |
| 14:00.27 | [Ammo] | which is all I need :) |
| 14:00.34 | Fisker- | i slam you into submission |
| 14:00.43 | [Ammo] | I doubt that fisker- |
| 14:00.43 | cncfanatics | hmmm, my Core.lua file is actualy bloted |
| 14:00.45 | cncfanatics | bloated* |
| 14:00.50 | [Ammo] | bloatbar! |
| 14:01.00 | cncfanatics | 940 lines ouch, for a file that basicly does nothing on its own |
| 14:01.04 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:01.06 | cncfanatics | 350 lines GUI -.- |
| 14:01.08 | nevcairiel | purl, flexbar is alow known as BloatBar |
| 14:01.09 | purl | ...but flexbar is already something else... |
| 14:01.14 | nevcairiel | purl, flexbar is also known as BloatBar |
| 14:01.14 | purl | okay, nevcairiel |
| 14:01.21 | [Ammo] | geh |
| 14:01.28 | Arrowmaster | ~flexbar |
| 14:01.29 | purl | i heard flexbar is A button manipulation addon currently in beta, find the latest info at http://wowace.com/wiki/FlexBar2, or known as BloatBar |
| 14:01.48 | cncfanatics | purl, Bartender is also known as ShitBars |
| 14:01.48 | purl | cncfanatics: please, watch your language. |
| 14:01.53 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 14:01.53 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 14:01.55 | cncfanatics | damn at censors :o |
| 14:01.59 | Fisker- | ~purl fuck you |
| 14:02.00 | purl | I've heard better pick up lines from a goat with Aspergers. |
| 14:02.00 | mitch0-zZ | :) |
| 14:02.10 | Fisker- | purl, gtfo |
| 14:02.11 | purl | Sorry sir, I won't bother you anymore. |
| 14:02.17 | Fisker- | ~botslap |
| 14:02.18 | purl | Hey what was that for, fisker-? |
| 14:02.23 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, now be as nice to remove that :) |
| 14:02.26 | nevcairiel | purl, flexbar is not known as BloatBar |
| 14:02.26 | purl | ...but flexbar is already something else... |
| 14:02.29 | nevcairiel | hmm |
| 14:02.36 | nevcairiel | purl, forget flexbar |
| 14:02.36 | purl | i forgot flexbar, nevcairiel |
| 14:02.45 | Arrowmaster | ~flexbar |
| 14:02.47 | nevcairiel | purl, flexbar is A button manipulation addon currently in beta, find the latest info at http://wowace.com/wiki/FlexBar2 |
| 14:02.48 | purl | okay, nevcairiel |
| 14:02.59 | cncfanatics | purl, nevcairiel sucks |
| 14:03.05 | Arrowmaster | ~bloatbar |
| 14:03.12 | Fisker- | ~nevcairiel |
| 14:03.12 | purl | rumour has it, nevcairiel is 'awesome' |
| 14:03.24 | Fisker- | purl no nevcairiel isn't awesome |
| 14:03.32 | [Ammo] | ~fisker |
| 14:03.33 | purl | DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. Please take everything he says with a grain of salt. We think he's just here to try and get more CP. - END DISCLAIMER |
| 14:03.37 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:03.37 | cncfanatics | purl, no, nevcairiel is the lose |
| 14:03.38 | purl | okay, cncfanatics |
| 14:03.42 | cncfanatics | ~nevcairiel |
| 14:03.42 | purl | somebody said nevcairiel was the lose |
| 14:04.09 | Fisker- | I disagree [Ammo] :/ |
| 14:05.21 | kadrahil | [Ammoo]: haha |
| 14:06.14 | CIA-14 | 03mitchell 07ShowMaxRangeOnly * r47323 10RangeDisplay/: RangeDisplay: Starting work on ShowMaxRangeOnly |
| 14:06.31 | cncfanatics | purl, forget nevcairiel |
| 14:06.31 | purl | cannot alter locked factoids, cncfanatics |
| 14:06.36 | cncfanatics | locked :o |
| 14:06.39 | kadrahil | owned |
| 14:06.45 | cncfanatics | ~nevcairiel |
| 14:06.45 | purl | i heard nevcairiel is 'awesome' |
| 14:06.59 | cncfanatics | was gonna set it back, guess someone already did :p |
| 14:07.05 | nevcairiel | i did, and locked it :P |
| 14:07.13 | cncfanatics | pussy |
| 14:07.23 | Megalon | those quotes around awesome, nice :P |
| 14:07.33 | nevcairiel | i dunno who set that |
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| 14:08.11 | cncfanatics | btw nevcairiel, mind having a look at BloatBar and tell me how I could remove some bloat ? |
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| 14:08.22 | Fisker- | i can help you cncfanatics |
| 14:08.33 | Fisker- | what text editor do you use btw? |
| 14:08.36 | cncfanatics | vim |
| 14:08.41 | Fisker- | ok |
| 14:08.52 | Fisker- | rm -rf /path/to/your/mod/ |
| 14:08.56 | kadrahil | cncfanatics: vim++ |
| 14:09.10 | cncfanatics | kadrahil, cream actualy, thats just a set of macro's for vim though |
| 14:09.17 | kadrahil | i use textmate for coding |
| 14:09.25 | kadrahil | vim for any quick editing :) |
| 14:09.31 | Fisker- | Was this information useful? |
| 14:09.35 | cncfanatics | vim with the inkpot theme rocks |
| 14:09.36 | kadrahil | Fisker-: yes |
| 14:09.43 | Fisker- | nice |
| 14:09.46 | cncfanatics | while I think about it |
| 14:09.56 | cncfanatics | I should set this irc window's color scheme to black |
| 14:09.59 | Fisker- | NO |
| 14:10.00 | cncfanatics | hate white for my eyes |
| 14:10.04 | kadrahil | yes |
| 14:10.08 | kadrahil | white on black wins |
| 14:10.18 | cncfanatics | doesnt hurt the eyes :) |
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| 14:10.35 | kadrahil | then you can /ignore Fisker-, that will save your eyes even more |
| 14:10.37 | kadrahil | :D |
| 14:10.51 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 14:10.54 | cncfanatics | where to set themes in pidgin |
| 14:12.36 | kadrahil | lol @ my guild forums |
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| 14:12.50 | kadrahil | we have a quote pyramid 8 responses deep |
| 14:13.13 | Megalon | impressive |
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| 14:13.24 | Fisker- | not even a smile! |
| 14:13.45 | art3mis | http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/flego |
| 14:15.05 | cncfanatics | meh, someone, how to theme pidgin ? :p |
| 14:15.27 | art3mis | you cant |
| 14:15.36 | cncfanatics | meh, I want white on black :p |
| 14:15.46 | art3mis | oh thats just text settings |
| 14:16.00 | cncfanatics | and where are they ? -.- |
| 14:16.09 | art3mis | tools preferences |
| 14:16.17 | cncfanatics | then ? |
| 14:16.19 | art3mis | and i believe it's covered under conversations |
| 14:16.31 | art3mis | thers two sets one for foreground and one for background |
| 14:16.36 | art3mis | muck with those ;P |
| 14:16.42 | cncfanatics | hmmm, cant find that |
| 14:16.50 | cncfanatics | I can set fonts though and default formatting stuff |
| 14:16.53 | cncfanatics | but cant find color stuff |
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| 14:17.16 | art3mis | see the button that says AB on it? |
| 14:17.25 | cncfanatics | says A, but I get ur point |
| 14:17.32 | cncfanatics | aah there |
| 14:17.36 | cncfanatics | foreground background color stuff |
| 14:17.37 | art3mis | its the 2 buttons to the left of the paintbrush |
| 14:17.42 | art3mis | nods |
| 14:18.02 | cncfanatics | set, chat didnt change though, guess i'll rejoin |
| 14:18.17 | cncfanatics | oh meh, thats MY outgoing text |
| 14:18.19 | cncfanatics | not the ingoing |
| 14:18.55 | art3mis | yeah its not big on eye candy |
| 14:19.01 | art3mis | you in nix right now right? |
| 14:19.05 | cncfanatics | ya |
| 14:19.14 | art3mis | you "could" use the new gaim |
| 14:19.25 | cncfanatics | meh, I just let apt update my stuff |
| 14:19.35 | cncfanatics | the gaim package contains pidgin atm, which works fine tbh |
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| 14:25.19 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I'm REALLY gonna need to add some table recycling stuff soonish |
| 14:25.51 | cncfanatics | oh, and while I remember it |
| 14:25.53 | cncfanatics | ping, ckknight_ |
| 14:26.20 | charon | ehm... now i'm confused. i had /castsequence macros for trinkets and MF spam for a while now and they always worked fine |
| 14:26.43 | charon | now i've made a shaman and want to /castsequence through the most used totems so i can spam a button to set up for combat |
| 14:26.53 | mikma | oh? i haven't got castsequence work with trinkets :P |
| 14:27.04 | mikma | i've always had to do /use TrinketName /cast Spell |
| 14:27.08 | charon | but when i hit the associated button, it says Ace2 is not allowed to do such and such and asks if i want to disable |
| 14:27.28 | charon | however when i make a test macro that does just /cast with a _single_ totem, no problem there |
| 14:27.30 | charon | wtf. |
| 14:27.36 | cncfanatics | cewl |
| 14:27.41 | cncfanatics | probably some taint somewhere |
| 14:27.46 | cncfanatics | ur other castsequence works u say ? |
| 14:27.50 | mikma | charon: /castsequence totem, totem2, totem3 ? |
| 14:28.02 | charon | mikma: never had a problem with that, i just put /castsequence [reset=trinket1cd] trinket1, trinket2 |
| 14:28.19 | charon | cncfanatics: i'll go and log on my druid and try, but yes, yesterday tanking in SSC it did |
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| 14:28.38 | charon | gah i see the mistake |
| 14:28.40 | mikma | hmm interesting |
| 14:28.42 | charon | ./facepalm |
| 14:29.22 | charon | no i don't. i'll log to the druid, will take a minute or so |
| 14:30.18 | charon | btw, Antiarc: ping? |
| 14:31.01 | charon | mikma: no brackets above, sorry |
| 14:31.08 | charon | i've had this for a while now: /castsequence reset=120 Badge of Tenacity, Moroes' Lucky Pocket Watch |
| 14:31.12 | charon | works like a charm |
| 14:31.27 | charon | if i'm about to die, spam that button and i get both effects up real fast |
| 14:31.56 | cncfanatics | bah, I need to do more testing with FUCKING lua patterns |
| 14:32.01 | cncfanatics | oh I so fucking hate those shit things |
| 14:34.05 | charon | i also use this macro: /castsequence reset=5/target Moonfire(Rank 12), Moonfire(Rank 11) |
| 14:34.14 | charon | (etc) |
| 14:34.24 | charon | that works too. i've just tested it. |
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| 14:34.54 | cncfanatics | but the totem one doesnt ? |
| 14:34.57 | cncfanatics | thats just plain weird |
| 14:35.03 | cncfanatics | try putting it in the default blizz bars |
| 14:35.05 | cncfanatics | to see if it works there |
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| 14:36.07 | mitch0-zZ | will fontString:SetText(text) b0rk on me if text is a number, not a string? |
| 14:36.09 | charon | you mean, some specific bar, or disable bartender altogether for testing? |
| 14:36.25 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47324 10LibStub/: |
| 14:36.25 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 14:36.25 | CIA-14 | - update logtemplate so that us tortoise users dont forget to set the LS- thingy |
| 14:36.45 | mitch0-zZ | what is the LS thingy? |
| 14:37.02 | deltron | ~libstub |
| 14:37.13 | nevcairiel | it adds the submits to the right category in our new project tracker |
| 14:37.35 | deltron | totems are a pain |
| 14:37.46 | mitch0-zZ | hm. |
| 14:37.53 | cncfanatics | charon, keep bartender enabled |
| 14:37.57 | cncfanatics | but use the default blizz bars |
| 14:38.04 | mitch0-zZ | btw, are all current ace libs expected to move to this LibStub thing? |
| 14:38.11 | cncfanatics | the ones between the fancydragons and stuff, though u prolly hid them |
| 14:38.24 | nevcairiel | mitch0-zZ: nah |
| 14:38.37 | cncfanatics | I wouldnt spit on an unified library stub tbh |
| 14:38.39 | charon | gah now i'm all confused |
| 14:38.54 | cncfanatics | charon, just disable bartender and try on the bars from the default UI then |
| 14:38.55 | charon | logged in again and the problem has disappeared |
| 14:38.59 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 14:39.02 | charon | ... |
| 14:39.03 | cncfanatics | be happy |
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| 14:39.14 | mitch0-zZ | nevcairiel: is there a forum post or something about all this LibStub thing? I'm kinda lost |
| 14:39.17 | charon | so i put the brackets back and it appears again, stating Prat as the broken addon |
| 14:39.44 | nevcairiel | mitch0-zZ: just ignore it for a while :P |
| 14:39.54 | charon | just seems to be a weird error path for broken macro syntax |
| 14:40.43 | CIA-14 | 03ammo * r47325 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 14:40.43 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-5 |
| 14:40.43 | CIA-14 | - First implementation of FinalizeLibrary |
| 14:40.43 | CIA-14 | - Upgrading embeds is still in the todo |
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| 14:41.20 | Funkeh` | loes |
| 14:41.39 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 14:41.48 | Kyahx | Needs a new name :P |
| 14:41.52 | Kyahx | LibStub is booooring |
| 14:42.00 | Funkeh` | sounds universal |
| 14:42.03 | Funkeh` | good enough! |
| 14:42.08 | cladhaire | thats the point |
| 14:42.15 | Kyahx | awww |
| 14:42.44 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72667 could someone tell me how I could find out the actual start & end position ? (the one currently returned by string.find wont be correct will they ?) |
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| 14:45.12 | cncfanatics | someone ? |
| 14:45.18 | Kyahx | It looks right to me |
| 14:45.25 | cncfanatics | it is, but the start & end position |
| 14:45.31 | cncfanatics | they will be relative to the match returned by gmatch |
| 14:45.34 | cncfanatics | not to the actual string |
| 14:45.37 | cncfanatics | which is not what I need |
| 14:45.41 | Sais | You want the offsets of the gmatch, and add to them, no? |
| 14:45.52 | cncfanatics | does gmatch return an offset ? |
| 14:46.09 | Sais | not sure. I would hope so |
| 14:46.13 | cncfanatics | !api gmatch |
| 14:46.15 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_gmatch |
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| 14:46.49 | cncfanatics | cant find API, so lets try |
| 14:46.54 | mitch0-zZ | kyahx: LibIdo? :) |
| 14:47.20 | Kyahx | Well, maybe not that cryptic :P |
| 14:47.30 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72668 should do it |
| 14:47.54 | cncfanatics | hmmm, arg2, arg3 & arg4 are nil |
| 14:47.57 | Kyahx | cncfanatics: gmatch is not wow api, its generic lua : http://lua-users.org/wiki/StringLibraryTutorial |
| 14:47.58 | cncfanatics | afaik, it doesnt return an offset |
| 14:48.16 | cncfanatics | well, doesnt seem to return an offset |
| 14:48.17 | Kyahx | looks like gmatch only returns a crap ton of words -- no offests |
| 14:48.27 | art3mis | http://whyfirefoxisblocked.com/index1.php |
| 14:48.28 | cncfanatics | how to get it then hmmm |
| 14:48.32 | art3mis | wow this guy is hilarious |
| 14:48.47 | Kyahx | cncfanatics: do you have a human-readable example of what your trying to rip apart? |
| 14:48.54 | Kyahx | regex makes my head hurt :P |
| 14:49.00 | cncfanatics | $(test arg1) text $(testtwo arg2) |
| 14:49.05 | cncfanatics | that would be an example of a valid text sub |
| 14:49.16 | cncfanatics | $(test arg1) has to be replaced |
| 14:49.20 | Kyahx | and you want to rip out 'test arg1' and 'testtwo arg1' |
| 14:49.21 | cncfanatics | as well as $(testtwo arg2) |
| 14:49.29 | cncfanatics | the $() too |
| 14:49.35 | cncfanatics | I need to replace them |
| 14:49.38 | Kyahx | just handle the $() in your replaceing bit |
| 14:49.38 | cncfanatics | by a function returned value |
| 14:49.54 | cncfanatics | doesnt rly matter with or without $() |
| 14:50.03 | cncfanatics | need to be able to replace them with function's return |
| 14:50.20 | mitch0-zZ | art3mis: eh, I can block content in opera with a simple click, without any addons :) but don't tell them! |
| 14:50.33 | art3mis | http://www.populartechnology.net/2005/01/firefox-new-religion.html <-- best xp ad evah |
| 14:50.44 | cncfanatics | Kyahx, any ideas ? |
| 14:50.52 | Kyahx | yep, one sec |
| 14:51.19 | Kyahx | wait I lied, I don't |
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| 14:51.34 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 14:51.36 | cncfanatics | I could use gsub |
| 14:51.37 | Kyahx | are you trying to build a new giant string with the proper blanks filled in? |
| 14:51.42 | cncfanatics | yes |
| 14:51.48 | cncfanatics | gsub is crap though |
| 14:51.53 | art3mis | http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/chinese-man-has-surgery-on-the-worlds-biggest-hand-1297.html |
| 14:51.54 | cncfanatics | as I rather only parse once to get the positions |
| 14:52.00 | cncfanatics | then parse every time I have to update the string |
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| 14:52.05 | mitch0-zZ | art3mis: nice chick. dunno what she has to do with xp though... |
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| 14:52.20 | art3mis | mitch0-zZ: yeah its awesome aint it? |
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| 14:52.26 | Kyahx | you could spit the string into a table, then replace what you need, then rebuild the string -- allthou that sounds really inefficient |
| 14:52.27 | Sais | cncfanatics: loop through with string.find(str,regexp,N) ? |
| 14:52.40 | cncfanatics | hmmm, can you loop with string.find ? |
| 14:52.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm, with N |
| 14:52.49 | Shirik|zZz | you can do it with string.gsub |
| 14:52.51 | Shamino | anyone know Grennon? author of AltClickToAddItem ? |
| 14:52.53 | Shirik|zZz | it's far easier |
| 14:52.54 | cncfanatics | returns the N'th match doesnt it ? |
| 14:53.13 | cncfanatics | Shirik|zZz, with gsub i'd have to parse the damn string each time I have to replace |
| 14:53.27 | Sais | Is it the Nth mathc, or start from pos N? |
| 14:53.28 | cncfanatics | if I get the positions, I can remove just replace that specific part of the string |
| 14:53.43 | Kyahx | why not use gmatch to replace what's inside of the $(), then just use gsub to nuke all of the $() bits? |
| 14:53.44 | Shirik | so you just want the Nth match? |
| 14:53.52 | Sais | I work with too many different languages...and certainly not too familiar with lua |
| 14:54.07 | cncfanatics | I want the start & end position of every match |
| 14:54.15 | Shirik | ah |
| 14:54.19 | cncfanatics | which is not possible with gmatch |
| 14:54.20 | cncfanatics | or gsub |
| 14:54.25 | cncfanatics | because they dont return positions |
| 14:54.27 | Shirik | see this is why I shouldn't join in the middle of a conversation |
| 14:54.36 | Shirik | yes, string.find is your answer then |
| 14:54.46 | Shirik | I saw "loop with string.find" and went on a tangent :P |
| 14:54.53 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:54.55 | cncfanatics | string.find only works with the first match |
| 14:55.01 | Kyahx | so loop! |
| 14:55.03 | cncfanatics | and the third argument is the start position |
| 14:55.14 | cncfanatics | hmm , guess I could grab the end position of the last one |
| 14:55.17 | Shirik | right |
| 14:55.23 | cncfanatics | and just start at that + 1 |
| 14:55.24 | Shirik | that's exactly what you need to do |
| 14:55.26 | Shirik | no |
| 14:55.32 | Fisker- | fucking awesome art3mis |
| 14:55.34 | Shirik | well, yeah |
| 14:55.36 | Shirik | you can do that if you want |
| 14:55.41 | cncfanatics | how would you do it ? |
| 14:55.49 | kadrahil | ok, so i think sw_stats and violation are conflicting |
| 14:56.03 | cncfanatics | kadrahil, swstats messes with the combatlog strings |
| 14:56.12 | cncfanatics | which basicly means u cant have anything but that running |
| 14:56.13 | kadrahil | i use violation, and it's reporting about 40k damage less for the shadow priest than two other people with sw_stats |
| 14:56.14 | Shirik | in your case, that's what you want. I never said no, you didn't see that :P |
| 14:56.21 | kadrahil | cncfanatics: i know that |
| 14:56.31 | cncfanatics | Shirik, right |
| 14:56.31 | Shirik | Kyahx: string.gmatch would be a bad idea in this case |
| 14:56.39 | Shirik | it'll either generate a closure or a table, or both |
| 14:56.39 | Kyahx | yea |
| 14:56.41 | Kyahx | I realize that now |
| 14:56.46 | Shirik | which will suck for memory usage |
| 14:57.01 | cncfanatics | basicly what i'm generating is a closure table, kinda |
| 14:57.11 | cncfanatics | i'm storing the positions so I can replace em afterwards with what I need |
| 14:57.33 | Shirik | why don't you just replace them as you go along? |
| 14:57.45 | Shirik | instead of going back and replacing them? |
| 14:57.47 | cncfanatics | extra memory usage, they're replaced multiple times |
| 14:57.57 | Shirik | no they wouldn't be |
| 14:58.04 | Shirik | oh |
| 14:58.06 | Shirik | you mean they need to be? |
| 14:58.11 | cncfanatics | its for text subs, an $(itemcount) text sub can be replaced each time the inventory changes |
| 14:58.18 | Shirik | ok |
| 14:58.19 | Shirik | I get it |
| 14:58.20 | cncfanatics | so doing gsub each time would SUCK for cpu |
| 14:58.36 | Shirik | eh, it's not /that/ bad |
| 14:58.41 | Shirik | but you're right it can be better |
| 14:58.48 | Shirik | but that might be preemptive optimization |
| 14:59.15 | mitch0-zZ | cncfanatics: woudln't it be better to do it like TagCompiler / DogTag ? |
| 14:59.24 | mitch0-zZ | s/badspelling/goodspelling/ |
| 14:59.47 | cncfanatics | Shirik, there's also a cooldown sub, which would update every 0.3 secs most likely |
| 14:59.54 | cncfanatics | doing gsub every 0.3 secs would hurt |
| 15:00.08 | cncfanatics | mitch0-zZ, how does TagCompiler / DogTag do it ? |
| 15:00.14 | Shirik | you severely underestimate gsub |
| 15:00.32 | cncfanatics | Shirik; Supose, the user has cooldown shown for global cooldown |
| 15:00.40 | cncfanatics | there are lets say, 50 buttons |
| 15:00.41 | Shirik | your problem is not going to be there, it's going to be when you try to split the strings |
| 15:00.49 | mitch0-zZ | cnc: take a look at DogTag. it's scary :) |
| 15:00.53 | Shirik | because strings are interned, you're going to be generating a ton more than usual |
| 15:01.06 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 15:01.06 | Shirik | just because you have the offsets does not make it much easier at all |
| 15:01.30 | cncfanatics | hmmm, seems i'm overestimating lua then, cant replace something by offset ? |
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| 15:01.35 | Shirik | nope |
| 15:01.38 | mitch0-zZ | cnc: basically, DogTag compiles a function that returns a string based on some tags |
| 15:01.39 | Shirik | It'll have to generate an entirely new string |
| 15:01.53 | Shirik | of course, it does this behind the scenes |
| 15:01.54 | cncfanatics | cant really get around that at all can I ? |
| 15:01.57 | Shirik | nope |
| 15:02.06 | Shirik | its how strings work, plain and simple |
| 15:02.19 | cncfanatics | either way, can you "replace" something knowing its start & end ? |
| 15:02.22 | Shirik | this is the same reason why you can have the same string (like "FRAME") in five million places |
| 15:02.26 | Shirik | and it will take the same amount of memory as one place |
| 15:02.38 | Shirik | cncfanatics: /you/ can, yes |
| 15:02.56 | cncfanatics | guess that'll take slightly less mem then gsub |
| 15:02.58 | cncfanatics | ? |
| 15:03.03 | Shirik | Lua does some other stuff behind the scene which essentially makes it not replacing that part, but rather generating a new string |
| 15:03.10 | Shirik | but for what you care about, yes you can |
| 15:03.20 | cncfanatics | less cpu/mem then gsub ? |
| 15:03.24 | cncfanatics | if its the same its not worth it anyway |
| 15:03.36 | Shirik | it's negligable, because in /both/ cases you're going to have to do the same thing |
| 15:03.46 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 15:03.50 | Shirik | the time with gsub is not what you're going to notice. It's the replacements you will |
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| 15:04.11 | cncfanatics | well, the string generated will only be small |
| 15:04.15 | cncfanatics | its mostly counts and keybindings |
| 15:04.18 | cncfanatics | which are one letter |
| 15:04.36 | cncfanatics | keybinding is a single letter, two or three at most |
| 15:04.41 | cncfanatics | a count is one to three letters too |
| 15:05.03 | Shirik | doesn't change the fact that for every replacement, Lua has to generate an entirely new string |
| 15:05.08 | cncfanatics | it does ? |
| 15:05.09 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 15:05.18 | cncfanatics | if I only support a single replacement per sub |
| 15:05.22 | Shirik | Strings are immutable |
| 15:05.30 | cncfanatics | as in subs have to be of the $(...) format |
| 15:05.34 | cncfanatics | generate a closure |
| 15:05.39 | Shirik | The operations you perform are simulated by creating a new, modified string |
| 15:05.40 | cncfanatics | and not replace but just call the function ? |
| 15:05.43 | Shirik | and returning that reference |
| 15:05.48 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 15:05.55 | cncfanatics | so I need to "get around" that by not doing a replacement dont I ? |
| 15:06.05 | Shirik | if possible, but I don't know if that's possible in your case |
| 15:06.05 | cncfanatics | think I found a way |
| 15:06.15 | CIA-14 | 03cladhaire * r47326 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 15:06.15 | CIA-14 | LibStub: |
| 15:06.15 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.15 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.15 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.15 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.19 | cncfanatics | if I only support one single $() per field I can |
| 15:06.23 | cncfanatics | I'd generate a closure table |
| 15:06.42 | cncfanatics | call the function and just SetText(WhateverTheFunctionReturned); |
| 15:06.46 | cncfanatics | poof, no replacements :p |
| 15:07.00 | Shirik | but you're reducing your feature set |
| 15:07.04 | cncfanatics | true |
| 15:07.12 | Shirik | I think you shouldn't optimize at this point |
| 15:07.21 | Shirik | Do it the way you wanted to do, then go back later if it needs to be optimized |
| 15:07.24 | cncfanatics | just a plain string.gsub when it needs updating ? |
| 15:07.27 | Shirik | Preemptive optimization is the root of all evils |
| 15:07.34 | Shirik | Is that what you originally thought of? |
| 15:07.39 | Shirik | Or were you going to do it with string.find |
| 15:07.47 | Shirik | Both are nearly equal |
| 15:07.59 | cncfanatics | that was already optimization, generate a closure table with string.find and replace by position |
| 15:08.06 | Shirik | ok so do that |
| 15:08.15 | cncfanatics | its the easyest way heh |
| 15:08.26 | CIA-14 | 03ulic * r47327 10ClosetGnome/locales/deDE.lua: ClosetGnome: deDE updates from Flup, Pusikas, and Striper |
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| 15:08.33 | cncfanatics | I would like to see how effective gsub is though |
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| 15:08.53 | cncfanatics | especialy as its probably done on 60ish buttons, 5 time per button every 0.3 seconds |
| 15:09.30 | Shirik | I think you're really going to have trouble no matter how you do it if that's what you need |
| 15:09.39 | cncfanatics | well, it is only for cooldowns |
| 15:09.49 | cncfanatics | worst case, all 5 fields on a button contain the $(cd) sub |
| 15:09.54 | cncfanatics | which is unlikely, its most probably one |
| 15:10.19 | cncfanatics | I cant see any reasons to support more then one sub per field |
| 15:10.27 | cncfanatics | think i'll just limit it to one and spare any replacements |
| 15:10.27 | Shirik | ah |
| 15:10.32 | Shirik | that's how you should do it, yes |
| 15:10.33 | Shirik | ok |
| 15:10.40 | Shirik | you should only do the replacement once, ever |
| 15:10.51 | Shirik | $(cd) should become %f |
| 15:11.04 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 15:11.04 | Shirik | From then on you can use string.format to insert the values you need |
| 15:11.08 | cncfanatics | string.format |
| 15:11.10 | cncfanatics | now THATS an idea |
| 15:11.23 | cncfanatics | doesnt that have the same effect as generating a new string though ? its also a replacement |
| 15:11.34 | Shirik | you merely need to keep track of what you need to throw it |
| 15:11.44 | cncfanatics | how come string.format > string.gsub ? |
| 15:11.45 | Shirik | cncfanatics: As I said before, strings are immutable, so yes, it does |
| 15:11.46 | Shirik | but |
| 15:11.51 | CIA-14 | 03ammo * r47328 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 15:11.51 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 15:11.51 | CIA-14 | - Fix error message for exports |
| 15:11.52 | CIA-14 | - Actually check for unregister of callback |
| 15:11.54 | CIA-14 | 03kunda * r47329 10Capping/locals/localization-deDE.lua: Capping: added deDE summon text patterns for Ivus and Lokholar |
| 15:12.10 | Shirik | You're looking at (1) doing a lot more C work instead of Lua work, which is always faster, and (2) Only doing a single operation with strings, rather than a bunch |
| 15:12.19 | Megalon | cncfanatics: something like Tags not suitable for flexbar? |
| 15:12.21 | Shirik | You're also cutting out the pattern matching, which is also expensive |
| 15:12.36 | cncfanatics | Megalon, I dont know how DogTags stuff work, wouldnt mind if you explained |
| 15:12.54 | cncfanatics | I guess its some kind of similar substitution system |
| 15:13.01 | kadrahil | don't, it's a trap |
| 15:13.10 | cncfanatics | explaaain :p |
| 15:13.20 | kadrahil | cnc noooooooo |
| 15:13.23 | kadrahil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.45 | cncfanatics | dont mourn the living damnit |
| 15:14.00 | kadrahil | i'm mourning your eminent death! |
| 15:14.11 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47330 10FlexBar2/ (Core.lua ItemCache/ ItemCache/ItemCache.lua): |
| 15:14.11 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 15:14.11 | CIA-14 | Added the ItemCache module |
| 15:14.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: the error with omen not showing aggro is apparently local to omen, others can see my aggro fine, but i can't see my own aggro |
| 15:14.56 | Shamino | trying to suggest a change to Grennon, author of AltClickToAddItem, to support alt clicking for the Post Auction frame with Auctioneer installed. however he has been unresponsive. and the mod has not been updated since 38000 revision series. any ideas here ? |
| 15:14.56 | kadrahil | purl: flexbar2? |
| 15:14.57 | purl | hmm... flexbar2 is A button manipulation addon currently in beta, find the latest info at http://wowace.com/wiki/FlexBar2, or a failure :D |
| 15:15.24 | cncfanatics | who set that |
| 15:15.26 | Fisker- | 1+1 ) 2_ |
| 15:15.27 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, idiot |
| 15:15.28 | Fisker- | :( |
| 15:15.37 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 15:15.39 | cncfanatics | or you |
| 15:15.42 | cncfanatics | remove it :) |
| 15:15.45 | kadrahil | hehe ok |
| 15:15.47 | Shirik | ~factinfo flexbar2 |
| 15:15.47 | purl | flexbar2 -- created by cncfanatics <n=evolve@206.76-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be> at Sun Aug 12 13:07:29 2007 (12 days); last modified 56s ago by kadrahil!i=webfreak@fallingsnow.net; it has been requested 3 times, last by kadrahil, 50s ago. |
| 15:15.48 | Fisker- | purl lock Fisker |
| 15:15.58 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: i didnt set that |
| 15:16.06 | Fisker- | fuck you purl |
| 15:16.06 | cncfanatics | kadrahil, idiot :) |
| 15:16.13 | cncfanatics | purl lock Fisker- |
| 15:16.44 | Funkeh` | you need a comma, noobs |
| 15:16.46 | cncfanatics | the stuff in Dogtags seems nice |
| 15:17.10 | Shirik | DogTag definitely does not have enough comments |
| 15:17.12 | Shirik | I have yet to find it |
| 15:17.23 | kadrahil | cncfanatics: :P |
| 15:17.35 | cncfanatics | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/DogTag-1.0 |
| 15:17.42 | cncfanatics | I do wonder how its implemented & stuff though |
| 15:17.42 | Shirik | no kidding -_- |
| 15:17.44 | cncfanatics | ckknight_, ping :p |
| 15:17.49 | Megalon | cncfanatics: roartindon implemented it in aloft, else ckk :> |
| 15:17.55 | Shirik | I'm looking at the code fool |
| 15:17.58 | Fisker- | 40 minutes until i can play Bioshock :( |
| 15:18.15 | CIA-14 | 03cladhaire * r47331 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 15:18.15 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-2 |
| 15:18.15 | CIA-14 | * Added an initial implementation of :Embed(). |
| 15:18.15 | CIA-14 | * Added :HasInstance() so we can check without erroring. |
| 15:18.50 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 15:18.53 | Kyahx | Fisker-: takes that long to drive to the store and back eh ;) |
| 15:18.53 | *** part/#wowace ins- (n=ins@83.101.15.15) |
| 15:18.54 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47332 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 15:18.55 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 15:18.55 | CIA-14 | - pass-through the first return value in safecall() |
| 15:18.55 | cncfanatics | seems its only for unit stuff ? |
| 15:19.01 | cncfanatics | could I use it for actionbuttons ? |
| 15:19.11 | Shirik | no |
| 15:19.31 | Shirik | well, it takes an interesting approach |
| 15:19.38 | Shirik | It's vaguely similar to what I just told you actually |
| 15:19.48 | Shirik | parse once, use string.format afterwards |
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| 15:19.57 | cncfanatics | bit silly to not have a library to implent it in general |
| 15:20.02 | CIA-14 | 03mitchell 07ShowMaxRangeOnly * r47333 10RangeDisplay/RangeDisplay.lua: RangeDisplay: added MaxRangeOnly option |
| 15:20.11 | Shirik | Must there really be a library for EVERYTHING |
| 15:20.28 | Kyahx | Libraries mean I don't have to know how my mod works! |
| 15:20.35 | Funkeh` | exactly |
| 15:20.41 | Funkeh` | and we all want that |
| 15:20.43 | Shirik | also, ckknight_ that is some ugly code >< |
| 15:20.53 | Shirik | your entire compile function doesn't have a single comment |
| 15:21.08 | cncfanatics | Shirik, my whole addon doesnt have commenting :/ |
| 15:21.13 | kadrahil | cncfanatics: fail |
| 15:21.13 | Shirik | You need to fix that |
| 15:21.16 | Shirik | seriously |
| 15:21.34 | mitch0-zZ | laterz |
| 15:21.38 | Shirik | If not for everyone else, you're going to be very mad at yourself in a month when you come back to something going "what the hell does this mean" |
| 15:21.44 | Megalon | cncfanatics: TagCompiler-1.0 ? |
| 15:21.46 | cncfanatics | never happened before |
| 15:22.10 | cncfanatics | aaah thanks Megalon |
| 15:22.17 | cncfanatics | I do agree though Shirik, I need to comment |
| 15:22.21 | cncfanatics | but i'll first implement this feature :) |
| 15:22.27 | Kyahx | but comments would mean other people would understand how it works, instead of just being forced to use that lib :) |
| 15:22.33 | cncfanatics | and it actualy never happened I forgot what something does |
| 15:22.48 | Shirik | It doesn't have to be anything absolutely massive |
| 15:22.53 | Shirik | don't get me wrong, I've written 100-line comments before |
| 15:22.58 | Shirik | but something as simple as this will work as well: |
| 15:23.04 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/72669 |
| 15:23.11 | Shirik | It just reminds you exactly what you're supposed to be doing |
| 15:23.27 | Kyahx | I tend to sit down and write in all comments first |
| 15:23.33 | Kyahx | figure out what I want to do in english, then add code |
| 15:23.38 | cncfanatics | might take some time to comment, I totaly neglected it |
| 15:23.48 | cncfanatics | 2k+ lines to comment though, ouch |
| 15:23.49 | Qaarh | hrm.. Some time ago I had an addon that would pulse a heart-beat when my health gets low, and increase in frequency as it drops even lower.. anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 15:23.50 | kadrahil | ssc guild recruiting a hunter |
| 15:23.51 | kadrahil | zomg |
| 15:24.03 | Kyahx | Qaarh: I remember it, but don't recall the name |
| 15:24.06 | Shirik | Qaarh: Definitely not the code I just linked :P |
| 15:24.09 | Qaarh | Kyahx: yargh |
| 15:24.17 | Shirik | And if you didn't look at the code, then it's very ironic that you just asked that |
| 15:24.24 | cncfanatics | I mean my whole addon |
| 15:24.36 | Kyahx | cncfanatics: that's why you comment as you go |
| 15:24.38 | cncfanatics | not only that part I have to comment ;) |
| 15:24.42 | Qaarh | interesting... |
| 15:24.49 | Qaarh | Shirik: didn't look at it :/ |
| 15:24.50 | cncfanatics | Kyakx, I used to, but lost that good habit :) |
| 15:24.57 | Shirik | Qaarh: That's amusing actually then |
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| 15:25.08 | Qaarh | Shirik: hehe |
| 15:25.12 | Shirik | Since I just linked a function named Beat() |
| 15:25.13 | Kyahx | Im still in school :P my professor likes to take off points for lack of comments >.< |
| 15:25.17 | Kyahx | so Im still in the habbit |
| 15:25.41 | cncfanatics | Kyahx, I suggest checking out FB2 then and count how hard in minus i'd be for ur professor |
| 15:25.51 | cncfanatics | no comment in 2k+ lines total over all files :p |
| 15:25.57 | Kyahx | fail |
| 15:26.01 | Shirik | Kyahx: I love your professor |
| 15:26.07 | Shirik | I wish more would do that |
| 15:26.16 | Shirik | cncfanatics: You really should comment as you go |
| 15:26.24 | Qaarh | Kyahx: I know VitalWatch can do it, but.. it's so much extra stuff, I just want the heartbeat :P Guess I should make it myself.. |
| 15:26.32 | Qaarh | Though I'm fairly sure there's one already.. |
| 15:26.34 | Kyahx | "I don't understand how this works -- MINUS 10 POINTS" *nazi* |
| 15:26.45 | Kyahx | :( |
| 15:26.48 | Funkeh` | I prefer to comment as I code, so I don't have to do it later |
| 15:26.59 | Shirik | it's really how everyone should do it |
| 15:27.05 | Shirik | too many people are focused on the end product, though |
| 15:27.25 | Shirik | but like I said, it doesn't have to be much |
| 15:27.28 | Kyahx | Yea, but communisim is good in theory too :P |
| 15:27.31 | cncfanatics | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/TagCompiler-1.0 has very few documentation hmmm |
| 15:27.31 | Shirik | that code I linked has 3 comments in the body? 4? |
| 15:27.35 | Funkeh` | I code in titbits so end product isn't my big goal, make small bits, they add up to the big bit. |
| 15:27.37 | Kyahx | sometimes good ideas don't pan out as planned, hehe |
| 15:27.45 | Shirik | But it's enough to know exactly what's going on and why |
| 15:27.47 | cncfanatics | can somebody work out how I should use TagCompiler for my purpose heh ? |
| 15:27.50 | kadrahil | ok this hunter has 1900+ RAP and like 33% crit, surv/mm, but he has a 36 hit rating |
| 15:27.53 | kadrahil | fail |
| 15:27.57 | Shirik | cncfanatics: And THAT'S exactly why comments are needed |
| 15:28.08 | Kyahx | cncfanatics: you should understand how it works, then implement a solution tailored to your needs |
| 15:28.09 | Kyahx | :) |
| 15:28.12 | Shirik | every single function in conspiracy has a comment header |
| 15:28.20 | Shirik | which specifies exactly what it does and how to use it |
| 15:28.32 | kenlyric | Shirik: fail |
| 15:28.47 | Shirik | I believe I am definitely the antithesis of fail at the moment |
| 15:28.54 | kenlyric | commented code and good code are inversely related. |
| 15:28.59 | Shirik | ... |
| 15:29.25 | Shirik | this should be amusing to divulge into |
| 15:29.33 | cncfanatics | first, while ckk gets back from afk i'm gonna start commenting some |
| 15:29.35 | Saroz | I need a new mod! |
| 15:29.40 | Shirik | "Adding more comments means the compiler must sift through more crap before getting to the actual code" |
| 15:29.41 | Liandra | Code without comments is the best. Here's a prime example of code which is completely obvious: http://sai.sente.nl/tmp/bot.php.txt |
| 15:29.43 | kenlyric | you spend all your time commenting your code, or you spend all your time making it work well. |
| 15:29.44 | Shirik | "Meaning it takes longer to compile" |
| 15:29.47 | Qaarh | Saroz: a new mod to make, or a new mod to use? |
| 15:29.50 | Saroz | to use |
| 15:29.58 | cncfanatics | kenlyric, then code written without comments and commented later on is made of pure win ? |
| 15:30.07 | Qaarh | Saroz: damn, almost thought I found someone to write me my mod :P |
| 15:30.13 | Saroz | what mod? |
| 15:30.26 | cncfanatics | Liandra, OMG |
| 15:30.30 | Shirik | Liandra: I have better |
| 15:30.32 | cncfanatics | I never EVER want to read that -.- |
| 15:30.44 | kenlyric | maybe you don't need to. |
| 15:30.47 | kenlyric | maybe it's perfect. |
| 15:30.54 | cncfanatics | at least I nicely tab & indent my code |
| 15:31.06 | Liandra | ladies and gentlement, meet kenlyric, who's bored and trolling :P |
| 15:31.10 | durcyn | Saroz: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-JooJanta200Super-ChromaticPerilSensitiveSunglasses.html |
| 15:31.14 | kenlyric | The most perfect coders don't use carriage returns, of course. Unless the language requires it. |
| 15:31.22 | cncfanatics | hmmm, someone ping me when ckk starts talking |
| 15:31.24 | Liandra | cncfanatics: yeah, this code is.. not very good ;) |
| 15:31.29 | Ordog | lawl Liandra great piece of code, cant believe it really does anything ^^ |
| 15:31.34 | cncfanatics | I'll go comment mine asap after I saw that :po |
| 15:31.40 | kenlyric | Liandra: only partially. I do tend to find that really good programmers tend to comment less than the mediocre ones. |
| 15:32.02 | CIA-14 | 03bayi * r47334 10beql/ (beql.lua tracker.lua): |
| 15:32.02 | CIA-14 | beql: |
| 15:32.02 | CIA-14 | - Tooltip: Fixed possible wow freeze on Rightclicking on the tracker (!) |
| 15:32.02 | CIA-14 | - Tracker: Fixed storing Quest Tracker list between sessions |
| 15:32.02 | CIA-14 | - Tracker: Fixed Header Quest Counter if Completed Quests are removed from tracker |
| 15:32.30 | Fisker- | rofl |
| 15:32.32 | Ordog | kenlyric comments != documentation, comments like #here we cut the string into pieces are not documentation ^^ |
| 15:32.56 | Liandra | kenlyric: my opinion is that comments that explain _why_ your code does something are essential. For example, why you made an exception for the case where $something = 15. |
| 15:33.03 | Fisker- | http://steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=package&SubId=310&cc=DK |
| 15:33.07 | Tornhoof | #here be magic |
| 15:33.07 | Fisker- | You save $-15.00! |
| 15:33.09 | Fisker- | !!!! |
| 15:33.13 | Fisker- | what a great offer |
| 15:33.32 | kadrahil | piece of crap |
| 15:33.41 | kadrahil | this could be my chance to land a spot in a high end guild in SSC |
| 15:33.47 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 15:33.55 | cncfanatics | WTB guilds recruiting pala tanks tbh |
| 15:34.05 | Fisker- | high end guild in ssc? |
| 15:34.08 | kadrahil | but i don't want to leave all my ingame friends in my current guild |
| 15:34.09 | Liandra | i've got a pala tank, it's useful |
| 15:34.11 | kadrahil | Fisker-: :/ |
| 15:34.11 | Fisker- | you mean low/mid-end? |
| 15:34.14 | kadrahil | Fisker-: yes |
| 15:34.42 | cladhaire | Liandra: My general rule is, if I had to think about what I was going to name my variables, or what I'm checking in a block of code, I comment on it. If I had to think about it once, then most likely someone else will have the exact same question. |
| 15:34.51 | Liandra | too bad he's a few thousand health below our prot warriors :< |
| 15:35.18 | cncfanatics | Liandra, armory ? |
| 15:35.20 | cncfanatics | mine is |
| 15:35.23 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 15:35.23 | Liandra | awesome on Morogrim though. and Hydross. |
| 15:35.35 | cncfanatics | i'm quite decently geared imo |
| 15:35.49 | kadrahil | vithos: around? |
| 15:35.52 | cncfanatics | heh, damn armory |
| 15:35.53 | vithos | kadrahil: sup |
| 15:36.03 | Liandra | oh by "i've" i meant that he's in my guild, not my own character :) |
| 15:36.04 | kadrahil | vithos: is having > 136 hit rating a bad thing? |
| 15:36.06 | kenlyric | cladhaire: but as you continue on, your questions will naturally decrease. Someone looking at the code freshly won't have that. |
| 15:36.24 | cladhaire | the same general rule works tho |
| 15:36.24 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Armory probably timed out (after 60s). Try again in a couple of minutes to an hour. |
| 15:36.28 | kadrahil | vithos: got my dark reaver cloak from shade last night and i'm at 150 now |
| 15:36.31 | Fisker- | haha |
| 15:36.33 | cladhaire | i can't explain how i decide what to comment.. bt it seems to work :P |
| 15:36.33 | Fisker- | ThraeBot fails |
| 15:36.36 | Fisker- | you fail Thrae |
| 15:36.42 | cladhaire | I've been told my code is easy to read |
| 15:36.44 | kadrahil | Fisker-: haha |
| 15:36.44 | vithos | kadrahil: yes, but there's actually some new research that's putting the cap at 9% rather than 8.60% potentially |
| 15:36.57 | kadrahil | vithos: huh.. interesting |
| 15:37.02 | Liandra | cncfanatics: aw the armory shows his healing gear :< |
| 15:37.16 | *** join/#wowace Drooly (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 15:37.53 | *** join/#wowace pub^ (n=pub@cdubray.csbnet.se) |
| 15:37.56 | kadrahil | vithos: well if i ever get legacy, my HR will drop back to 124.. using the spear now |
| 15:37.58 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 15:38.08 | Shirik | So I'm reading through the obfuscated C code contest, trying to find something |
| 15:38.08 | cncfanatics | Liandra, check mine then and compare me at least :):p |
| 15:38.18 | Shirik | and I find this gem, the world's smallest self-reproducing program: |
| 15:38.23 | CIA-14 | 03ammo * r47335 10LibStub/LibStub.toc: |
| 15:38.23 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 15:38.23 | CIA-14 | - .toc corrections |
| 15:38.31 | Shirik | http://www.ioccc.org/1994/smr.c |
| 15:38.36 | cncfanatics | heh, i'm in retri gear |
| 15:38.37 | cncfanatics | nvm |
| 15:38.45 | Shirik | here are the judges' comments: http://www.ioccc.org/1994/smr.hint |
| 15:38.48 | Shirik | (p.s. he was a winner) |
| 15:39.23 | kadrahil | vithos: i could've done without the 34ap/16hr helm enchant i guess, too late for that though |
| 15:39.26 | Liandra | cncfanatics: hard to compare his healing gear to your "dps" gear :P |
| 15:39.44 | Fisker- | 20 minutes until general steam crash :O |
| 15:39.45 | kadrahil | loldps? |
| 15:39.54 | kenlyric | why? |
| 15:40.02 | Fisker- | Bioshock gets released in EU |
| 15:40.27 | kenlyric | do you happen to know if you have the same two installs only limit on steam? |
| 15:40.33 | vithos | kadrahil: eh, what other enchant would you have gotten? |
| 15:40.45 | Fisker- | it can be installed on 5 different machines 5 times |
| 15:40.45 | kadrahil | vithos: nature resistance, duh! :P |
| 15:40.47 | Funkeh` | bioschock is on steam? |
| 15:41.09 | kenlyric | but that count can't ever be reset? |
| 15:41.10 | Fisker- | yes |
| 15:41.13 | vithos | kadrahil: having more hit than the cap doesn't lower your dps, it's just not doing anything, so your item budget is going to waste |
| 15:41.13 | Fisker- | and don't buy it btw |
| 15:41.16 | kenlyric | fucking goddammit dumb. |
| 15:41.23 | Fisker- | kenlyric apparently it works on the steam version |
| 15:41.27 | Fisker- | but i'm not going to try it |
| 15:41.29 | kadrahil | vithos: ahh, that's all i was wondering |
| 15:41.37 | Fisker- | the retail version still doesn't work |
| 15:42.04 | kenlyric | I'm always forgetting to deauthorize my computer for itunes when i reinstall. That's enough hassle for one lifetime. |
| 15:42.31 | vithos | kadrahil: also, as far as i can tell, it's not really worth trying to hit cap anyway. other stats tend to do more for the price |
| 15:42.41 | Fisker- | we must sue |
| 15:42.46 | Fisker- | especially apple |
| 15:42.48 | Fisker- | i hate those guys |
| 15:42.48 | kadrahil | vithos: heh |
| 15:43.03 | kadrahil | vithos: it made me wonder when i see hunters with t4/t5 and a 30-40 hit rating |
| 15:43.22 | cncfanatics | aint ranged hit bugged ? |
| 15:43.27 | cncfanatics | seems u need a stupidly low amount to not miss |
| 15:43.37 | vithos | 8.6% |
| 15:43.40 | vithos | or 9% |
| 15:43.47 | kenlyric | Fisker-: are you saying steam works in that it doesn't have that restriction? or something else? |
| 15:44.24 | Megalon | 5.6 for styles, 8.6 for auto-attack 2h, 24.6 for dw |
| 15:44.25 | Fisker- | It can be activated on 5 different machines 5 times |
| 15:44.28 | Megalon | vs lvl73 bosses |
| 15:45.01 | Megalon | i don't know if they changed it, but hunter autoshot was/is considered a style, not auto-attack |
| 15:45.13 | *** join/#wowace copystring (n=copystri@p548A2F70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:45.17 | Chompers | bioschlong? |
| 15:45.19 | Megalon | so they only need the 5.6% hit for cap |
| 15:45.43 | kenlyric | so, is that 25 times? |
| 15:46.20 | kenlyric | I'm pretty sure it's just five times, because most apps are too dumb to realize you're on the same computer if you're not on the same install of windows. |
| 15:46.40 | Fisker- | I JUST HAD A CORRUPTION OF LOL |
| 15:46.48 | Chompers | lul? |
| 15:46.48 | kadrahil | ohnoes |
| 15:46.51 | Fisker- | like yesterday some girl claimed she had been raped |
| 15:46.51 | cncfanatics | lol this is silly, i'm thinking "how did this work again ?" so I can comment it :p |
| 15:47.04 | kenlyric | wow, that is funny! |
| 15:47.10 | Fisker- | and because there were so many false reported rapes lately the police chief said that the story wasn't fake as it was very coherent |
| 15:47.11 | kenlyric | wait, what? |
| 15:47.16 | Fisker- | today: she admitted it was a fake |
| 15:47.17 | Fisker- | hahaa |
| 15:47.38 | kenlyric | fake rape reports seem like a bad idea to me. |
| 15:47.39 | vithos | Megalon: Cheeky's sheet shows the hit change being the same for auto, steady, and multi |
| 15:47.47 | *** join/#wowace ScoTTie (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) |
| 15:47.52 | Fisker- | kenlyric unfortunately how police force is a bunch of clueless retards |
| 15:48.00 | Fisker- | "Oh, it's a fake? Well have a nice day then" |
| 15:48.12 | Fisker- | Whereas my ideal method would be |
| 15:48.26 | Fisker- | "Oh it's a fake? Could you just close the door for a minute?" *gunshot* |
| 15:48.28 | kenlyric | bah! why does bmi still fail on gold email. |
| 15:48.38 | kenlyric | wow, really? |
| 15:48.48 | kenlyric | I'm pretty sure they rape you here. |
| 15:48.55 | Fisker- | :P |
| 15:49.07 | Fisker- | They only press charges against the girls if they actually imprisoned anyone for it |
| 15:49.14 | CIA-14 | 03ammo * r47336 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 15:49.14 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 15:49.14 | CIA-14 | - Add API comments |
| 15:49.16 | Fisker- | fucking retarded if you ask me |
| 15:49.22 | kenlyric | what's the motivation for the girls to do this? |
| 15:49.27 | kenlyric | and what's the motivation for them to back out? |
| 15:49.34 | Fisker- | Attention whores? |
| 15:49.37 | Fisker- | They get found out |
| 15:49.40 | kenlyric | fun sorority prank? |
| 15:49.46 | cncfanatics | ~seen ckknight |
| 15:49.49 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 45m 24s ago, saying: 'orionshock: no, seeing as mod and _G.SomeAddon are reference equal, any changes to mod mean changes to _G.SomeAddon'. |
| 15:49.50 | cncfanatics | ~seen ckknight_ |
| 15:49.51 | purl | ckknight_ is currently on #wowi-lounge (6h 2s) #norganna (6h 2s) #wowace (6h 2s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2d 16h 11m 52s, last said: 'hey all'. |
| 15:50.17 | Fisker- | People called in, explained why it was a fake, police confronted her, she QQ'ed |
| 15:50.32 | Fisker- | "But i just wanted the ATTN: Whore" |
| 15:50.53 | kenlyric | that's pretty fucked up right there. |
| 15:51.00 | vithos | here's the information about the hit cap being 9% rather than 8.6% http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t11885-rogue_warrior_weapon_skill_adjustment_discussion/p16/#post456667 |
| 15:51.40 | kadrahil | of course it would be elitist jerks :P |
| 15:51.47 | snurre | 10 mins left! :( |
| 15:51.53 | kadrahil | snurre: to enrage? |
| 15:52.00 | kenlyric | well, it certainly wouldn't be the wow forums. |
| 15:52.06 | kadrahil | hah |
| 15:52.07 | snurre | nah, till bioshock is available on steam |
| 15:52.10 | snurre | and WiC beta is launched |
| 15:52.12 | vithos | i wouldn't touch blizzard's forums with a 10 foot pole |
| 15:52.24 | Fisker- | yeah kenlyric i really hate how people can pretty much just be called rapists and pedophiles and you are usually still branded with that for the future |
| 15:52.34 | kenlyric | yup. |
| 15:52.53 | kenlyric | which is why in most places you get some pretty solid jail time for making such claims falsely. |
| 15:53.51 | kadrahil | vithos: interesting indeed |
| 15:54.07 | kadrahil | how would you conduct a test like that? write some addon that records your hits/misses? |
| 15:54.39 | vithos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.50 | kadrahil | heh yeah |
| 15:54.50 | vithos | writes the log to the file |
| 15:55.40 | Fisker- | 5 minutes omg |
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| 15:56.24 | Fisker- | OH NOES |
| 15:56.28 | Fisker- | i didn't install the new drivers |
| 15:56.47 | Fisker- | actually i did :O |
| 15:56.55 | Fisker- | 4 minutes then :O |
| 15:56.59 | Chompers | hmm |
| 15:57.04 | Chompers | i might buy bioshock |
| 15:57.13 | Fisker- | DONT |
| 15:57.25 | Chompers | i need something to play! |
| 15:57.26 | Fisker- | do not let them win |
| 15:57.31 | Fisker- | you musn't! |
| 15:57.33 | cncfanatics | download it |
| 15:57.35 | cncfanatics | and hack it |
| 15:57.38 | cncfanatics | but fuck dont buy that crap :p |
| 15:58.00 | Chompers | with my awesome hacking skills :/ |
| 15:58.09 | cncfanatics | gamecopyworld.com > hacking skills |
| 15:58.21 | Fisker- | not been cracked yet though |
| 15:58.40 | kenlyric | it was up on usenet yesterday. |
| 15:58.45 | Chompers | yeah |
| 15:58.55 | Chompers | one's a fake the other is just a clone |
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| 15:59.14 | Fisker- | 1 minute! |
| 15:59.25 | Chompers | you make me a sad panda fisker |
| 15:59.29 | Chompers | :< |
| 15:59.33 | kenlyric | ahh, I see that. |
| 15:59.40 | Fisker- | haha Chompers |
| 15:59.42 | Fisker- | you make me one too |
| 16:00.18 | Fisker- | RELEASE DAMNIT |
| 16:00.28 | cncfanatics | hmmmz |
| 16:00.33 | cncfanatics | I finished commenting a 120 line file |
| 16:00.38 | cncfanatics | now up to the 800 line file |
| 16:00.40 | cncfanatics | *scared* |
| 16:00.44 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 16:01.15 | CIA-14 | 03helium * r47337 10FuBar_GarbageFu/GarbageFu.lua: |
| 16:01.15 | CIA-14 | FuBar_GarbageFu: |
| 16:01.15 | CIA-14 | - Support OneBag in "click to open bag" |
| 16:01.22 | Fisker- | don't they have like some automatic release thingy running? :/ |
| 16:01.28 | vithos | how do people have so few buttons. and no petbar. and no pet unitframe :( makes me jealous http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4245/wowscrnshot082207215033lh9.jpg |
| 16:01.55 | Fisker- | by removing them? |
| 16:01.57 | cncfanatics | vithos, most people now their actions by heart |
| 16:02.06 | cncfanatics | no need to have non cooldown stuff shown on ur bar |
| 16:02.46 | deltron | kergoth: midnight downed archimonde |
| 16:03.19 | Fisker- | btw that is a mage vithos |
| 16:03.25 | vithos | meh, i guess. i would like to take the time to make some better binds than just numbers and shift+numbers |
| 16:03.33 | Chompers | i spam slam over and over, i don't need buttons |
| 16:03.37 | [Ammo] | I have numbers, altnumbers, shiftnumbers |
| 16:03.41 | [Ammo] | but I like to see all my buttons |
| 16:03.44 | kadrahil | vithos: i use all the keys around WASD |
| 16:03.45 | [Ammo] | because I rearrange em often |
| 16:04.02 | vithos | i know :P that's what i meant. hunters have too many buttons |
| 16:04.12 | deltron | esdf is what I want to start using instead of wasd |
| 16:04.25 | kadrahil | vithos: q = CS, shift+q = rapid fire, e/shift+e = stings, r+shift-r=arcane/multi, f=steady, shift+f=freezing trap... |
| 16:04.25 | Fisker- | Der verdammte spiel, START IT |
| 16:05.08 | kadrahil | vithos: alt-f=FD, t=aimed shot, 4/5 = TBW/intimidation, alt+2=raptor, alt+3 = KC, shift+w = WC |
| 16:05.09 | Fisker- | gonna have a corruption of lol soon |
| 16:05.11 | kadrahil | :D |
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| 16:05.47 | Fisker- | YES |
| 16:06.02 | Fisker- | for only 20$ i can let some random dude i never heard about borrow my steam account to play it |
| 16:06.08 | Fisker- | that's gonna happen |
| 16:06.17 | Fisker- | especially since i have like 40 games on it |
| 16:06.21 | kadrahil | Fisker-: lool |
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| 16:07.55 | vithos | kadrahil: but what with the displaced binds? strafing, assisting, chat reply |
| 16:08.14 | kadrahil | vithos: a and d are strafing |
| 16:08.50 | kadrahil | vithos: assisting, i just click the mt assist frame.. chat reply is enter, or i just type /r |
| 16:08.54 | sylvanaar | my german is soo bad, i look like those people who dont speak english and post on the forums - you know which ones i mean |
| 16:08.55 | Fisker- | Pre-load the game now, play in ... |
| 16:08.55 | Fisker- | It is finally here! |
| 16:09.01 | Fisker- | NO U Steam :( |
| 16:09.22 | kadrahil | good point on the assist though. i should make that a macro |
| 16:10.50 | Funkeh` | Fisker-: won't let me preload |
| 16:10.55 | Funkeh` | I click and nothing happens!!! |
| 16:10.58 | kadrahil | instead of /assist someplayer, is there a way to just /assist the MT or MT#2 or whatever? |
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| 16:11.04 | Funkeh` | aaa!!! |
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| 16:11.32 | CIA-14 | 03bayi * r47338 10beql/beql.toc: beql: - Toc: Added OptionalDeps and X-Embeds tags to .toc file |
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| 16:12.40 | vithos | kadrahil: not sure |
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| 16:13.20 | deltron | preload what? |
| 16:13.22 | cncfanatics | kadrahil, u could dynamicaly make a macro when the MT's change |
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| 16:13.31 | cncfanatics | but u cant actualy do /assist MT1 |
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| 16:13.46 | kadrahil | cncfanatics: hmm |
| 16:14.12 | kadrahil | could i keep the MT on focus and do /assist [target=focus]? |
| 16:14.17 | cncfanatics | ofc |
| 16:14.42 | cncfanatics | but then u cant possibly assist MT1, and then assist MT2 when MT1's target is dead |
| 16:15.36 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 16:15.44 | cncfanatics | does OnInitialize exist for modules ? |
| 16:15.45 | cncfanatics | I guess it does ? |
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| 16:16.47 | kadrahil | vithos: i've got so used to using R for arcane and F for steady that i use R and F for my primary/secondary attacks for all my characters |
| 16:17.04 | kadrahil | vithos: like my mage's fireball is R, fireblast is shift+R, f is frostbolt, shift+F is frostnova.. :/ |
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| 16:18.59 | vithos | i'll see if i can get used to it |
| 16:19.15 | Qaarh | I remapped R to chain heal rank 1, but.. I hit R to reply when people whisper me so... heh |
| 16:19.29 | kadrahil | hehe |
| 16:20.44 | deltron | lol |
| 16:20.47 | deltron | yeah |
| 16:20.54 | deltron | I was thinking about that |
| 16:21.02 | Qaarh | so I remapped reply to T |
| 16:21.25 | Qaarh | worked well until I remapped T to a spell an an alt.. Nowadays I just type /w <name> |
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| 16:24.24 | CIA-14 | 03kunda * r47339 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: .Babble-Spell-2.2: UTF-8 (r47259) and updated r47316 deDE translations |
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| 16:25.12 | *** mode/#wowace [+v PProvost] by ChanServ |
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| 16:26.17 | Fisker- | YES |
| 16:26.21 | Fisker- | failed to contact key server |
| 16:26.21 | Fisker- | woooo |
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| 16:27.39 | kadrahil | Qaarh: i use /r for reply |
| 16:27.45 | kadrahil | Qaarh: enter for quick reply |
| 16:28.29 | Qaarh | kadrahil: enter for quick reply? that's interesting.. |
| 16:28.32 | CIA-14 | 03durcyn * r47340 10Expiration/ (Expiration.toc embeds.xml): Expiration: use embeds.xml already, gosh. |
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| 16:28.48 | Punkie` | Fisker-: |
| 16:28.50 | Punkie` | you here? |
| 16:28.54 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47341 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 16:28.54 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 16:28.54 | CIA-14 | - use .minor for storing the version, at least consistent throughout the stub now |
| 16:29.14 | Fisker- | Punkie` OF COURSE |
| 16:29.23 | Punkie` | you installed a rootkit on your pc |
| 16:29.24 | Punkie` | ownt |
| 16:29.29 | Fisker- | old |
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| 16:30.08 | Punkie` | im not the one with the rootkit |
| 16:30.11 | Punkie` | still ownt |
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| 16:30.23 | Fisker- | technically i don't have it |
| 16:30.28 | mjc | arenahistory needs AceOO |
| 16:30.37 | Fisker- | as Bioshock isn't working on steam yet |
| 16:30.39 | Punkie` | why, the demo has it too |
| 16:30.42 | Fisker- | no |
| 16:30.46 | Punkie` | yep |
| 16:30.48 | Fisker- | no |
| 16:30.50 | Fisker- | i checked it myself |
| 16:30.55 | cncfanatics | ckknight_, ping :( |
| 16:31.00 | Fisker- | it has the securom shit, but it doesn't install a rootkit |
| 16:31.25 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 16:31.36 | CIA-14 | 03durcyn * r47342 10Rep2/ (Rep2.toc embeds.xml): Rep2: bump toc interface version, use embeds.xml |
| 16:31.38 | CIA-14 | 03bayi * r47343 10beql/tracker.lua: beql: - Tracker: Fixed compatibility with MobMap |
| 16:31.50 | Punkie` | Fisker-: We need macs |
| 16:31.56 | Fisker- | no |
| 16:31.58 | kadrahil | [quote="Stis"][quote="BeanMr"][quote="Trippz"][quote="Miroar"][quote="Stis"][quote="Miroar"][quote="Kadrahil"][quote="BeanMr"][quote="Kadrahil"][quote="Trippz"][quote="Stis"][quote="Miroar"][quote="Kadrahil"][quote="Stis"][quote="Ivar"] |
| 16:32.02 | kadrahil | longest quote pyramid ever |
| 16:32.11 | mjc | heh |
| 16:32.18 | Fisker- | we need giant big cocks and transportation |
| 16:32.36 | dreamss2 | we need software companies that stop using the so called protection |
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| 16:33.01 | Punkie` | Fisker-: you should run http://gf.wiretarget.com/pt/unsecurom.zip ! |
| 16:33.06 | Punkie` | just incase :o |
| 16:33.08 | Fisker- | you should run your mother |
| 16:33.13 | kadrahil | OH BURN |
| 16:33.15 | Punkie` | man |
| 16:33.23 | Punkie` | Fisker- is especially harsh today |
| 16:33.27 | Punkie` | because he has a rootkit |
| 16:33.31 | Tornhoof | bioshock is short |
| 16:33.32 | Tornhoof | too short |
| 16:33.37 | Bibi | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=745.0 |
| 16:33.39 | Bibi | Haye sunwell. |
| 16:33.41 | Fisker- | old Bibi |
| 16:33.44 | Punkie` | Tornhoof: you have a rootkit on your pc :o |
| 16:33.45 | Bibi | fu Fisker- |
| 16:33.49 | dreamss2 | they need to make space for rootkit |
| 16:33.51 | Fisker- | btw Punkie` the demo still doesn't have the rootkit |
| 16:34.00 | dreamss2 | u sure? |
| 16:34.04 | dreamss2 | i heard it does |
| 16:34.06 | Tornhoof | punkie, en contraire to you i actually know how it works ;) |
| 16:34.10 | TecnoBrat | hmmm, is there a mod that can tell you who in your raid is using mana pots, and who isn't? |
| 16:34.16 | Punkie` | Fisker-: http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5993 |
| 16:34.19 | Fisker- | yes dreamss i'm sure |
| 16:34.21 | kadrahil | Bibi stop spamming links to your site :D |
| 16:34.26 | kadrahil | j/k |
| 16:34.27 | Fisker- | Punkie` THIS IS NOT MY FIRST BARBEQUE |
| 16:34.29 | Bibi | kadrahil : fu. |
| 16:34.29 | Fisker- | I KNOW HOW TO SHOT WEB |
| 16:34.32 | Punkie` | nice :D |
| 16:34.38 | kadrahil | Bibi: <3 |
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| 16:34.48 | Fisker- | The persons think the demo has it because any Securom title will install the rootkit |
| 16:34.56 | CIA-14 | 03durcyn * r47344 10SpellBinder/ (SpellBinder.toc embeds.xml): SpellBinder: oh hai i fixed yer embeds.xml |
| 16:34.57 | Fisker- | they already had it before they bought bioshock or tried the demo |
| 16:35.23 | Fisker- | I tested it on a securom rootkit clean machine |
| 16:35.25 | Fisker- | installed the demo |
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| 16:35.30 | Fisker- | run the rootkit revealer and nothing |
| 16:35.56 | kadrahil | keep thinking that. |
| 16:36.08 | kadrahil | Bibi: any speculation on gear drops yet? |
| 16:36.17 | CIA-14 | 03Tristan * r47345 10Enhancer/ (5 files): |
| 16:36.17 | CIA-14 | Enhancer: |
| 16:36.17 | CIA-14 | - Lowered the default value for Haste in Equivalence Points as per the upcoming changes in next patch |
| 16:36.17 | CIA-14 | - Fixed a bug with totems that have different life/ttl depending on rank. |
| 16:36.21 | Bibi | nop |
| 16:36.38 | dreamss2 | whats Enhancer? |
| 16:37.01 | Punkie` | Fisker-: the m$/sysinternals one? |
| 16:37.03 | durcyn | kadrahil: why, tier 7 of course |
| 16:37.08 | Fisker- | of course Punkie` |
| 16:37.22 | ulic | dreamss2: shammy addon, does several things. |
| 16:37.25 | Fisker- | i can just already now see that sunwell will probably be like naxx :( |
| 16:37.32 | Punkie` | naxx was awesome |
| 16:37.34 | kadrahil | durcyn: well, yeah, but i thought T6 gear was split between BT/hyjal |
| 16:37.37 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 16:37.38 | dreamss2 | sysinternals owns, pskill ftw |
| 16:37.57 | durcyn | kadrahil: oh, right. you're expected to raid sunwell naked, of course. |
| 16:38.01 | mjc | gladiator needs babble-zone-2.2 external |
| 16:38.05 | kadrahil | durcyn: haha |
| 16:38.36 | kadrahil | durcyn: i pvp naked sometimes |
| 16:38.42 | kadrahil | er, ingame |
| 16:39.01 | durcyn | of course. |
| 16:39.03 | NeoTron | so why would they add a 25-man raid "just before wotfk"? |
| 16:39.05 | kadrahil | :o |
| 16:39.16 | durcyn | i killed archimonde in my underwear on tuesday, so i can't really say anything |
| 16:39.34 | kadrahil | durcyn: heh |
| 16:39.55 | Fisker- | i killed lurker a week ago with the hand around something else than my mouse |
| 16:40.13 | kadrahil | durcyn: i like running through stormwind wearing nothing but my helm and cloak |
| 16:40.22 | kadrahil | durcyn: (i'm horde) |
| 16:42.00 | dreamss2 | so why the cot strat mobs go lower level |
| 16:42.08 | Fisker- | Gonna launch my internet hate machine soon |
| 16:42.10 | dreamss2 | undead strat is lvl 55 mobs |
| 16:42.15 | dreamss2 | past mobs are 80? |
| 16:42.48 | Chompers | they got lazy over time |
| 16:43.19 | Fisker- | might just be a level up zone |
| 16:43.28 | Fisker- | which i think it'll be |
| 16:43.33 | Fisker- | like 72-74 |
| 16:43.57 | dreamss2 | still, mobs are higher level before :P |
| 16:44.12 | Fisker- | well they weren't undead back then |
| 16:44.28 | Fisker- | they had to level on rats as level 1 undeads |
| 16:44.41 | dreamss2 | HAHAHA |
| 16:44.56 | durcyn | Fisker-: it'll be a level 80 instance |
| 16:45.03 | Fisker- | why? |
| 16:45.14 | kadrahil | i am going to grind 70-80 on elementals at the elemental plateau |
| 16:45.23 | durcyn | there was a quote somewhere "we don't expect people will go back to caverns of time until 80" |
| 16:45.26 | kadrahil | then do all the quests |
| 16:45.36 | dreamss2 | for rep? |
| 16:45.44 | Fisker- | Gonna 70-80 on Punkie`'s mother |
| 16:45.51 | kadrahil | lolol |
| 16:45.55 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 16:46.08 | Fisker- | http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=battlegrounds.jpg :P |
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| 16:47.44 | kadrahil | Fisker-: hehe |
| 16:48.36 | cncfanatics | Shirik, cant believe ur making me do this :p |
| 16:48.51 | dreamss2 | HAHAHAHAHAHA fisker |
| 16:50.12 | ckknight_ | cncfanatics: I was asleep |
| 16:51.32 | cncfanatics | ckknight, would it be usefull to use TagCompiler for text subs in FB2 ? |
| 16:51.42 | ckknight | I'm really not sure |
| 16:51.58 | ckknight | when I was contemplating using TagCompiler for Parrot, I decided it was not worth it |
| 16:52.34 | Fisker- | You must construct additional activation servers |
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| 16:52.54 | cncfanatics | what I basicly need is a system to set subs, something for cooldowns, itemcount, keybinding, etc |
| 16:52.57 | cncfanatics | think its worth it ? |
| 16:54.46 | cncfanatics | http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=battlegrounds.jpg is made of pure win |
| 16:56.16 | Qaarh | what the... my music player queued up beethoven's ode to joy, and my kitten started attacking my foot when it started playing... |
| 16:57.30 | cncfanatics | ckknight, what u think ? |
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| 16:57.47 | ckknight | look into it |
| 16:57.52 | ckknight | see if it's worthwhile for you |
| 16:57.55 | ckknight | I can't tell you |
| 16:58.31 | cncfanatics | hmm, lemme check its code |
| 16:59.10 | dreamss2 | qarh, dont be fooled its a raid trying to get ur loots! |
| 16:59.18 | dreamss2 | watch the palllies |
| 16:59.20 | Azurewrath | mhm... could it be that the dps calculation of Violation is broken? NanoStats2 was reporting about 490dps, Violation about 900.. i calculated it manually and NS2 was right |
| 17:00.35 | Mounick | Azurewrath: Violation is not working like total dmg done divided by time in combat |
| 17:01.02 | Azurewrath | mhm.. and what other way is there to calculate the dps? ;) |
| 17:01.19 | Mounick | if your stopping dpsing the "timer" stop to |
| 17:01.48 | Mounick | like how WWS work |
| 17:01.53 | Azurewrath | mhm... that would explain the behaviour.. but i find it rather irritating |
| 17:01.54 | *** join/#wowace Leachim (n=Necroman@p508A01EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:02.43 | Mounick | its like, if your doing nothing (according to the combat log) for more than 4 or 5sec, the timer stop.. so your not losing dps during this time |
| 17:02.46 | kebinusan | mmm I love the interweb, Someone posted torrents of the first two season 2 episodes of dexter |
| 17:03.16 | kebinusan | Cant wait for that to start |
| 17:04.08 | Azurewrath | Mounick: yup i got it.. it just makes no sense from my pov.. since i care about my total dps in a bossfight, not about the burst when actually doing dmg at that very moment :) |
| 17:04.22 | Azurewrath | kebinusan: Dexters Laboratory? |
| 17:04.41 | kebinusan | No, Dexter is a series on showtime |
| 17:04.52 | Azurewrath | ah ok ;) |
| 17:05.03 | kebinusan | its a bit of a weird show about a serial killer and such |
| 17:05.47 | cncfanatics | ckknight, TagCompiler has too much features for me it seems :) |
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| 17:06.23 | dreamss2 | http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=polymorph.jpg |
| 17:06.24 | dreamss2 | hehe |
| 17:07.44 | ckknight | http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=shippingerrors.jpg |
| 17:08.30 | dreamss2 | lol |
| 17:08.47 | Qaarh | Haha |
| 17:08.50 | Qaarh | damn good |
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| 17:11.36 | dreamss2 | http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=somethingnew2.jpg |
| 17:11.42 | ckknight | http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=tovictory.jpg |
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| 17:13.45 | cncfanatics | stop spamming those damnit, I need to code :p |
| 17:13.51 | cncfanatics | how to do a simple text replacement again ? gsub ? |
| 17:13.56 | cncfanatics | just, replace this by that |
| 17:14.22 | Qaarh | hahhahhh.. |
| 17:14.45 | dreamss2 | this comic is awesome |
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| 17:15.52 | Nickenyfiken | bah |
| 17:16.06 | Amadeo | WoW porn |
| 17:16.10 | Nickenyfiken | #132 error when enabling a addon in ACP then doing a reload ui |
| 17:16.21 | NightHawkAtWork | God I hate sales people |
| 17:16.38 | dreamss2 | http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=traitorous.jpg |
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| 17:25.09 | NightHawkAtWork | oh man, xkcd is so awesome |
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| 17:26.06 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Antiarc] by ChanServ |
| 17:27.56 | CC--home | whats xkcd |
| 17:28.30 | Fisker- | a comic |
| 17:28.32 | Amadeo | Razer came out with a 4000 dpi mouse? damn |
| 17:28.34 | Fisker- | i hate mirc 6.3 btw |
| 17:29.06 | CIA-14 | 03Tristan * r47346 10Enhancer/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:29.06 | CIA-14 | Enhancer: |
| 17:29.06 | CIA-14 | - Bugfix: Combat log parser now catches totems that has rank as well. |
| 17:29.14 | kadrahil | Fisker-: windows nub |
| 17:30.17 | Amadeo | I like mIRC in Windows, it's nice and lightweight |
| 17:30.28 | kadrahil | Amadeo: windows nub |
| 17:30.47 | NightHawkAtWork | Heh, the commentary on this is great. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/august#fri-24-sunw_java |
| 17:31.19 | Fisker- | they totally screwed it up |
| 17:31.28 | Fisker- | if you use the nicklist it comes like a focus window |
| 17:31.45 | Fisker- | so if you want to write anything it'll think i want to sort in the nicklist |
| 17:31.47 | Fisker- | fuck them :/ |
| 17:32.07 | kadrahil | irssi 4 lyfe |
| 17:32.18 | NightHawkAtWork | xchat ftw :) |
| 17:32.34 | Amadeo | irssi sucks in Windows and xchat is too funky |
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| 17:32.53 | NightHawkAtWork | I'm using xchat in windows right now, I like it just fine |
| 17:32.54 | kadrahil | the obvious solution here is to ditch windows |
| 17:33.06 | NightHawkAtWork | kadrahil: indeed. |
| 17:33.06 | cog|work | Anyone know of an addon like FarmerFu that gives you status bars for the items you're tracking? |
| 17:33.17 | Amadeo | Ditch Windows and live with losing 20-30 fps in WoW? No thanks :P |
| 17:33.46 | Amadeo | if I didn't play games, I'd ditch Windows for good |
| 17:33.53 | kadrahil | get a mac, lose 0 fps :D |
| 17:34.02 | NightHawkAtWork | lol |
| 17:34.03 | Amadeo | kadrahil: I don't believe that |
| 17:34.03 | kadrahil | unless it sucks |
| 17:34.08 | kadrahil | Amadeo: do eeeet |
| 17:34.20 | NightHawkAtWork | you can always boot into windows on a mac for games |
| 17:34.22 | Amadeo | OpenGL in WoW seems to be slower, at least for me |
| 17:34.22 | kadrahil | Amadeo: i play at 40-50 fps on a macbook pro, heh |
| 17:34.37 | Amadeo | NightHawkAtWork: Yeah, but that's not ditching Windows! |
| 17:35.01 | NightHawkAtWork | Yeah, well :P |
| 17:35.09 | NightHawkAtWork | games and ditching windows, unfortunately, dont go well together. |
| 17:35.28 | Amadeo | kadrahil: I'd be interested in seeing you do a comparison, boot into XP and use the same Config.wtf but remove the OpenGL lines, and make sure you run Full Screen |
| 17:35.53 | Amadeo | NightHawkAtWork: Yeah, that's what sucks :( |
| 17:35.55 | kadrahil | Amadeo: my xp partition is full with vanguard |
| 17:36.03 | Amadeo | There's your problem |
| 17:36.11 | kadrahil | which i played like 3 times |
| 17:36.22 | Amadeo | I was in the beta, played it twice |
| 17:36.26 | Amadeo | it was just too horrible |
| 17:36.32 | FryGuy- | i like hydrairc on windows :p |
| 17:36.38 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47347 10LibStub/ (. LibStub.lua): |
| 17:36.38 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-7 |
| 17:36.38 | CIA-14 | - Added optional "silent" flag to GetInstance to turn off the error msg when the requested library was not found and return nil |
| 17:36.38 | CIA-14 | - removed HasInstance |
| 17:36.38 | CIA-14 | - removed Embed() and the exports parameter from FinalizeLibrary |
| 17:36.47 | Amadeo | FryGuy-: too much advertising in it |
| 17:36.50 | kadrahil | slow gameplay... items that weigh you down? give me a break |
| 17:36.59 | FryGuy- | huh |
| 17:37.03 | FryGuy- | there's no advertising |
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| 17:37.17 | kadrahil | uh yeah, i didn't see any advertising |
| 17:37.20 | FryGuy- | well, the quit message |
| 17:37.24 | Amadeo | all of the quit messages are advertisements |
| 17:37.38 | Amadeo | and by default, there's all kinds of users added to your userlist |
| 17:37.41 | FryGuy- | and the 'default' favourites include #hydrairc |
| 17:37.45 | Amadeo | special privledges and shit |
| 17:37.57 | FryGuy- | but.. so does internet explorer and firefox |
| 17:38.03 | kadrahil | wait what |
| 17:38.08 | kadrahil | i thought we were talking about vanguard |
| 17:38.15 | Amadeo | No, HydraIRC |
| 17:38.16 | Amadeo | haha |
| 17:38.21 | NightHawkAtWork | kadrahil: lol, keep up, eh? :P |
| 17:38.26 | Amadeo | I was talking about Vanguard also at one point :) |
| 17:38.33 | kadrahil | NightHawkAtWork: seriously |
| 17:38.53 | FryGuy- | but i never see the quit messages, so I don't really care :p |
| 17:39.04 | Amadeo | Brad McQuaid was lucky with EverQuest, but he's not a good game designer |
| 17:39.10 | FryGuy- | it's a lot cleaner than mirc, and <3 channel monitor |
| 17:39.41 | Amadeo | He was a know it all during EQ days |
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| 17:39.47 | kadrahil | fisker-: i must find a way to rickroll all of wowace again |
| 17:40.11 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 17:41.18 | Amadeo | How far did you get in Vanguard? |
| 17:41.24 | kadrahil | level 5 or 6 |
| 17:41.28 | Amadeo | hah |
| 17:41.44 | kadrahil | it was annoying with the 30 sec mob respawns |
| 17:42.09 | Amadeo | the only thing I liked about Vanguard was that they were going with a non-instanced design |
| 17:42.15 | Amadeo | I know most people don't like that anymore |
| 17:42.29 | Amadeo | but I think it adds to the whole "Massively" part of the type of game :P |
| 17:43.27 | Amadeo | It would have been nice to roll up to the Lower Guk FBSS camp in EQ and kill everyone there :P |
| 17:45.06 | *** part/#wowace Wogroipl (n=Wogroipl@c529c7a0e.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 17:48.58 | kadrahil | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1230554228&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 17:49.03 | kadrahil | top post |
| 17:49.04 | kadrahil | owned |
| 17:50.30 | CIA-14 | 03nevcairiel * r47348 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 17:50.30 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS-1 |
| 17:50.30 | CIA-14 | - some comment and indentation changes |
| 17:50.57 | deltron | kadrahil: ouch |
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| 17:53.40 | Amadeo | They're right though, old world is horrible |
| 17:54.29 | deltron | yeah |
| 17:54.40 | Amadeo | There's no gear progression as you level |
| 17:54.42 | deltron | I have 3 toons to level |
| 17:54.44 | deltron | I hate |
| 17:54.45 | deltron | it |
| 17:54.50 | Amadeo | You end up being level 35 with level 12 items |
| 17:55.10 | deltron | I spend too much gold at AH usually on my alts |
| 17:55.37 | kadrahil | "must have the best gear to pvp at my level" |
| 17:56.37 | deltron | my 51 shadowpriest still is using the carrot on the stick equipped |
| 17:56.45 | deltron | because he can't find another trinket for that slot |
| 17:56.54 | kadrahil | so |
| 17:57.00 | deltron | heh |
| 17:57.05 | kadrahil | how would i go about convincing my guild master to have everyone switch to omen and bigwigs |
| 17:57.14 | kadrahil | they still use DBM and KTM :/ |
| 17:57.50 | [Ammo] | simple: don't |
| 17:57.57 | deltron | yep |
| 17:58.00 | deltron | run them yourself |
| 17:58.12 | [Ammo] | it won't work well for bigwigs though |
| 17:58.16 | [Ammo] | some abilities are rangebased |
| 17:58.20 | [Ammo] | and bigwigs sync's those |
| 17:58.22 | Fisker- | just remind them how retarded they are when they get problems with DBM and KTM :P |
| 17:58.31 | kadrahil | :/ |
| 17:58.33 | kadrahil | heh |
| 17:59.02 | Fisker- | OMG |
| 17:59.04 | Fisker- | bioshock works |
| 17:59.08 | deltron | I do like the DBM report when you get a whisper |
| 17:59.22 | kadrahil | deltron: when the RL whispers me automatically liek that |
| 17:59.23 | kadrahil | like* |
| 17:59.28 | kadrahil | deltron: i always respond with "ORLY???" |
| 17:59.32 | deltron | no |
| 17:59.37 | deltron | like the status report |
| 17:59.37 | kadrahil | :( |
| 17:59.39 | kadrahil | oh |
| 17:59.40 | deltron | of whatever boss |
| 17:59.41 | [Ammo] | blargh |
| 17:59.44 | [Ammo] | BossWhisperer |
| 17:59.45 | deltron | is what i meant |
| 17:59.45 | [Ammo] | done |
| 17:59.48 | deltron | oic |
| 17:59.49 | [Ammo] | separate addon |
| 17:59.58 | [Ammo] | no need to put it in a bossmod addon |
| 18:00.04 | [Ammo] | same with silly people asking pvp timers in bigwigs |
| 18:00.05 | kadrahil | i forgot what the debuff that prince gives you is called that drops you to 1 hp |
| 18:00.06 | deltron | solution: approved |
| 18:00.09 | [Ammo] | -> download Capping |
| 18:00.13 | [Ammo] | Shadow Something |
| 18:00.18 | deltron | capping is great |
| 18:00.19 | kadrahil | shadow nova? |
| 18:00.23 | [Ammo] | no |
| 18:00.26 | [Ammo] | that's his aoe |
| 18:00.30 | kadrahil | yeah.. hrm |
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| 18:00.44 | deltron | enfeeble |
| 18:00.48 | kadrahil | yeah. |
| 18:00.49 | [Ammo] | Enfeble |
| 18:00.50 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 18:01.00 | kadrahil | RL whispers me with "You are enfeebled!" and i reply with "ORLY?!??" |
| 18:01.16 | deltron | i redid my UI last night |
| 18:01.23 | deltron | went from 90MB used to 60 |
| 18:01.31 | kadrahil | holy crap dude, i have 30mb used |
| 18:01.43 | kadrahil | let me find a screenshot |
| 18:01.56 | deltron | what class are you though? |
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| 18:02.01 | kadrahil | hunter. |
| 18:02.04 | [Ammo] | I use 25mb or so |
| 18:02.06 | [Ammo] | in a raid |
| 18:02.20 | deltron | that's why :P |
| 18:02.33 | deltron | shaman here |
| 18:02.37 | [Ammo] | so? |
| 18:02.49 | [Ammo] | the reason is probably data collection addons |
| 18:02.56 | nevcairiel | i use like 25-30 too |
| 18:02.58 | deltron | that's true |
| 18:03.05 | deltron | i do run the wowhead addon |
| 18:03.07 | [Ammo] | has nothign to do with your class |
| 18:03.09 | deltron | and auctioneer |
| 18:03.27 | deltron | ok i'll shut up then |
| 18:03.31 | nevcairiel | when i turn auctioneer on for shopping i jump to 40 or so |
| 18:03.43 | kadrahil | deltron: http://i13.tinypic.com/4vhiu8i |
| 18:03.43 | [Ammo] | I do manual shopping |
| 18:03.44 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 18:03.46 | deltron | maybe I need to re-evaluate |
| 18:03.47 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 18:04.19 | deltron | I did see a jump in memory from ag_uf to pitbull |
| 18:04.23 | kadrahil | deltron: i do that like every other night when i'm bored |
| 18:04.34 | kadrahil | (go to the stormwind AH) |
| 18:04.53 | deltron | lol |
| 18:05.01 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47349 10FlexBar2/ (3 files in 3 dirs): FlexBar2: Loads of code commenting and some very small performance tweaks |
| 18:06.15 | deltron | my coworker has his druid in booty bay bandits |
| 18:06.18 | deltron | but it's alliance heh |
| 18:06.37 | kadrahil | deltron: :( |
| 18:06.57 | kadrahil | ours was created day 1 |
| 18:07.26 | deltron | your server a launch server? |
| 18:07.29 | kadrahil | yeah |
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| 18:07.40 | kadrahil | i didn't roll on it until january though |
| 18:07.43 | Amadeo | kadrahil: You didn't even begin day 1! |
| 18:07.45 | Amadeo | haha |
| 18:07.46 | kadrahil | joined the guild in june or something |
| 18:07.48 | kadrahil | Amadeo: SHUSH |
| 18:08.02 | Amadeo | Should have had Windows! |
| 18:08.09 | kadrahil | deltron: home of the first character to level 60 worldwide |
| 18:08.14 | kadrahil | deltron: a troll rogue :o |
| 18:08.18 | deltron | heh |
| 18:08.25 | deltron | my server is a launch server also, suramar |
| 18:08.31 | kadrahil | ah |
| 18:09.33 | kadrahil | heh when i type in the armory search box in safari, the text is white so doesn't show up |
| 18:09.52 | Amadeo | I don't really notice much of an improvement in the "new" Armory |
| 18:11.48 | deltron | it's broken |
| 18:11.52 | deltron | search for a guild |
| 18:11.56 | kadrahil | or a character |
| 18:12.37 | deltron | it's a bit slow atm |
| 18:12.51 | kadrahil | the searchresult columns are all screwed up |
| 18:12.51 | Dynom | was it ever fast? |
| 18:12.58 | kadrahil | no |
| 18:13.02 | Amadeo | Yes, before it existed! |
| 18:13.15 | deltron | when it was called rpgoutfitter.com :) |
| 18:13.35 | Dynom | works fine in firefox btw |
| 18:15.43 | kadrahil | looks like all they did was make a pretty error page |
| 18:15.49 | kadrahil | and screw the site up so you see that page all the time |
| 18:16.13 | cncfanatics | !c eu khadgar evolve |
| 18:16.18 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Evolve, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 7977 HP; 5943 Mana; 98 mana regen; 16 mp5; 7881 Armour; 1162 AP; 197 Melee DPS; 10.22% melee crit; 20 melee hit; 15 spell crit; 152 +spell dmg/heal; 7.01% dodge; 5.8% block; 20 resilience;[[ TBR: 817 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2bl7uf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36eekt ]] |
| 18:16.26 | cncfanatics | meh, crap gear i'm wearing |
| 18:18.42 | kadrahil | dude |
| 18:18.56 | kadrahil | hunter with 13.7k hp buffed, 2500 rap, 30% crit, 370 resilience |
| 18:22.05 | Amadeo | Who was the Hunter in that MoB Gaming team that won the BlizzCon tournament? |
| 18:22.06 | CIA-14 | 03pettigrow * r47350 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Illidan.lua: BigWigs: Illidan: frFR fixes |
| 18:22.22 | kadrahil | i don't remember |
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| 18:26.52 | CIA-14 | 03pettigrow * r47351 10LittleWigs/ (4 files in 4 dirs): LittleWigs: frFR Update |
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| 18:32.14 | CIA-14 | 03yssaril * r47352 10YssGuildShop/ (8 files): |
| 18:32.14 | CIA-14 | YssGuildShop: |
| 18:32.14 | CIA-14 | - if guild rank is set to bank status the names belonging to that name will no longer appear in the Guild Data window. This is in preparation of the next step to created the Bank Data window. |
| 18:32.14 | CIA-14 | - optimized some code to use less memory |
| 18:32.23 | JoshBorke | wtb HasInstance for LibStub |
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| 18:37.59 | CIA-14 | 03curney * r47353 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Font.lua: Prat: Font.lua - removed "toggle shadow/outline", replaced it with "set outline mode". added "toggle monochrome" option. |
| 18:38.37 | Kreiger_ | Would any of you know why, when flying on my epic mount, mobs sometimes don't zone in properly until i stand still for a few seconds? |
| 18:38.56 | Shadowed| | JoshBorke, looks like GetInstance does that =p |
| 18:39.17 | Shadowed| | just have to pass GetInstance("FooBar-1.0", true) |
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| 18:40.11 | JoshBorke | oh, ok |
| 18:40.17 | nevcairiel | we think you only call HasInstance when you call GetInstance afterwards anyway |
| 18:40.27 | nevcairiel | so that flag should take care of that |
| 18:40.29 | JoshBorke | it's true |
| 18:41.34 | CIA-14 | 03shamino * r47354 10AltClickToAddItem/AltClickToAddItem.lua: |
| 18:41.35 | CIA-14 | AltClickToAddItem: |
| 18:41.35 | CIA-14 | - added on behalf of Grennon. Adds support for posting item into Auctioneer AuctionPost frame, when its available. |
| 18:42.13 | Shadowed| | nevcairiel is it actually at a point it can be played with even if beta, or is it still missing things? |
| 18:42.51 | nevcairiel | the functions are all there |
| 18:42.56 | nevcairiel | needs testing et al |
| 18:45.29 | Shadowed| | mmmm |
| 18:45.35 | JoshBorke | needs more argchecking imo |
| 18:46.34 | Shadowed| | well this is rather interesting code to sort through |
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| 18:48.09 | HarveyDent | Is there a way to filter classes in Violation? |
| 18:48.25 | HarveyDent | Everything is perfect so far except I need my class leads to be able to just see their own reports |
| 18:48.34 | Grum | WTB undo button on Omnibus :( |
| 18:49.12 | nevcairiel | Shadowed|: define interesting, its meant to be simple basicly |
| 18:49.32 | Shadowed| | just figuring out how it works |
| 18:50.01 | HarveyDent | Anyone know? |
| 18:50.29 | HarveyDent | I am looking for a way to filter classes in Violation |
| 18:50.31 | HarveyDent | is this possible? |
| 18:50.36 | HarveyDent | can't find i |
| 18:50.38 | HarveyDent | *it |
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| 18:54.14 | Saroz | Is there a fubar mod that shows your transmute cooldown? |
| 18:54.14 | Gnarfoz | <Kreiger_> Would any of you know why, when flying on my epic mount, mobs sometimes don't zone in properly until i stand still for a few seconds? <-- your "area of interest" (the 100y or so radius around you) is moving too fast for your server/client connection to keep up. |
| 18:55.15 | Kreiger_ | So, it's a ping thing? |
| 18:55.19 | durcyn | Saroz: tcgTradeskills |
| 18:55.26 | JoshBorke | ckknight: new name for Joker: WoWLulz |
| 18:55.40 | Kreiger_ | Gnarfoz |
| 18:55.49 | HarveyDent | JoshBorke: Are you familiar with Violation? |
| 18:56.11 | JoshBorke | yes, it's usually against thel aw |
| 18:56.19 | HarveyDent | indeed. |
| 18:56.27 | Saroz | CraftTimersFu :p |
| 18:56.28 | JoshBorke | as far as the mod, nope |
| 18:56.42 | Gnarfoz | Kreiger_: yes and no, the maximum rate is also limited server-side, I'd guess. but yes, I think with a bad latency, you'll experience this more often than with a good one |
| 18:57.07 | Amadeo | It really seems to depend on the server also |
| 18:57.13 | Amadeo | and how populated a zone is |
| 18:57.32 | Kreiger_ | Well, netherwing ledge on a high-pop server like blackrock.. |
| 18:57.35 | Kreiger_ | probably pretty bad |
| 18:57.52 | Amadeo | I've gotten used to scouting areas from out of PvP range |
| 18:57.56 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I'd guess so. |
| 18:58.06 | Kreiger_ | Would the amount of mobs affect it too? |
| 18:58.08 | Kreiger_ | in an area? |
| 18:58.28 | HarveyDent | I wouldn't think so |
| 18:58.31 | Gnarfoz | dunno, they're not hard to communicate, as longs as they're mostly the same (which, in WoW, they always are) |
| 18:58.34 | HarveyDent | unless it's your computer |
| 18:58.51 | HarveyDent | for example, low amount of ram plus a slow/thrashing hard drive might equal poor LoD |
| 18:59.30 | Amadeo | I've always wondered about view distance, there are options to lower it, but do any affect how far you might see players? |
| 18:59.47 | Gnarfoz | I think it's really a throttling issue (i.e. if the server could keep up, Blizzard could make it react faster), because even at 20ms latency to my server, I still get this a lot |
| 19:00.06 | Kreiger_ | I have 180-300 lat. which isn't BAD but it's meh. |
| 19:00.16 | Amadeo | I range between 30ms and 200+ms |
| 19:00.23 | Amadeo | depends on time of day :( |
| 19:00.25 | Kreiger_ | I have 2 gigs of ram and a decent hard-drive (could probably empty it and optimize it a little) |
| 19:00.37 | Amadeo | I don't think it's your PC, Kreiger_ |
| 19:00.59 | Gnarfoz | it's sad... our instance servers seem crowded. when I zone from Deadwind Pass into Karazhan, I gain 100ms >_< |
| 19:01.03 | Kreiger | That's what i'm worried about. i even took an SS of my vid settings to see if it would help if i throttled back some. |
| 19:01.12 | Kreiger | 'You guys wanna see that SS? |
| 19:01.32 | Amadeo | Kreiger: I don't think it's important, but if you want to...I think we all experience the same type of issue |
| 19:01.37 | Gnarfoz | sure, why not |
| 19:01.41 | Amadeo | I notice that as WoW has progressed, it's gotten worse |
| 19:01.53 | Amadeo | I don't remember this type of stuff two years ago |
| 19:02.03 | Amadeo | maybe a little bit, but not like it is now |
| 19:02.04 | Kreiger | Gnarfoz, http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9866/wowscrnshot082407143308hc2.jpg |
| 19:02.14 | Gnarfoz | you couldn't move as fast back then, Amadeo. it might have just gotten more obvious |
| 19:02.41 | Amadeo | Gnarfoz: I get the same issues on normal epic ground mounts and stuff |
| 19:03.25 | kenlyric | anyone here know what engine WoW uses, or is it internally developed? |
| 19:03.29 | Kreiger | I don't get it on them unless i have a paladin with CA and i have my mount speed trinkets on |
| 19:03.51 | HarveyDent | Does anyone know if Violation can filter per class? Like if I want to show only rogues or only mages in the Damage Per Second frame, can I do that? |
| 19:04.08 | Amadeo | kenlyric: Good question...not sure, I'd probably guess internal |
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| 19:04.20 | HarveyDent | kenlyric: check some of the older WoW hacks that hook the display engine |
| 19:04.21 | kenlyric | I can't seem to find any information on it at all. |
| 19:04.27 | kenlyric | their sound engine was externally developed. |
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| 19:04.48 | Amadeo | if Blizzard developed the WoW engine, it's their first decent engine yet :P |
| 19:05.05 | HarveyDent | there was one in particular that hooked the minimap and 3d environ to display waypoints and mob arrows ,etc. |
| 19:05.09 | Amadeo | Actually, isn't it based off the Warcraft III engine? |
| 19:05.17 | kenlyric | i've heard rumors that it was based on war3 engine. |
| 19:05.24 | kenlyric | but can't find any info on that being true. |
| 19:05.30 | kenlyric | or if war3 engine was an internal development. |
| 19:05.44 | Gnarfoz | I'd guess both are internally developed |
| 19:06.04 | sylvanaar | blizzard is just a brand owned by vivendi now arent they |
| 19:06.05 | Gnarfoz | in both genres, how many engine-developing companies are there? |
| 19:06.05 | kenlyric | bah! guessing! |
| 19:06.16 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: technically, I guess that's right |
| 19:06.23 | sylvanaar | thier core left |
| 19:06.25 | Gnarfoz | kenlyric: beat me with knowledge :D |
| 19:06.33 | HarveyDent | if by "just a brand" you mean one of the most successful development studios ever, then yes |
| 19:06.43 | HarveyDent | Vivendi is just their brick and mortar publisher |
| 19:06.44 | HarveyDent | nothing more. |
| 19:06.46 | sylvanaar | yes, but the people are gone |
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| 19:06.49 | Gnarfoz | some are |
| 19:06.51 | Gnarfoz | some aren't |
| 19:06.53 | HarveyDent | not all of them |
| 19:06.55 | kenlyric | some of the people are gone. |
| 19:06.59 | sylvanaar | their core creative team |
| 19:07.07 | Amadeo | I don't think that team ever worked on WoW |
| 19:07.10 | Amadeo | just older games |
| 19:07.11 | HarveyDent | EA Mythic has some and Red5 has others. |
| 19:07.12 | Amadeo | like Diablo |
| 19:07.14 | HarveyDent | that's about it |
| 19:07.57 | Amadeo | They're at Arena.net and Flagship Studios now |
| 19:08.00 | kenlyric | what does that really mean? what does it matter if people leave? |
| 19:08.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's not like they all work on one thing, hence it's likely not everyone (if anyone at all) worked on WoW in the first place |
| 19:08.07 | kenlyric | people leave companies all the time. Every day. |
| 19:08.10 | sylvanaar | its fairly typical for the developers to leave when a small co. gets bought out like that |
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| 19:08.28 | HarveyDent | not entirely but.. |
| 19:08.29 | Amadeo | Bill Roper said he left because Vivendi was being too controlling |
| 19:08.32 | HarveyDent | it can happen. |
| 19:08.33 | sylvanaar | they were all stakeholders and got rich |
| 19:08.34 | Amadeo | he's Blizzard's big loss |
| 19:09.03 | sylvanaar | so they start another small co, so they can be creative again |
| 19:09.26 | HarveyDent | EA publishes for Valve. |
| 19:09.26 | Amadeo | unfortunately, they usually end up making crappy games :P |
| 19:09.34 | HarveyDent | and Valve still makes amazing titles |
| 19:09.50 | HarveyDent | so... the arguement is defnitely not as black and white as you make it out to be |
| 19:10.11 | kenlyric | I just don't see what practical application it has to say they're not a company anymore. it's not like they're going to start making Simpsons games because they're owned by vivendi. |
| 19:10.32 | HarveyDent | hey that simpsons game is good ;) |
| 19:10.43 | HarveyDent | (about time they make a good one) |
| 19:10.49 | kenlyric | so when I say internally developed, I mean, at blizzard. |
| 19:10.55 | kenlyric | yeah, 1 out of 1000 is a good record. |
| 19:11.01 | kenlyric | let's hope this next one is good. |
| 19:11.09 | HarveyDent | simpsons games? |
| 19:11.14 | Gnarfoz | until wow somehow turns into total crap (which doesn't seem likely, at the current course) and also one of these offshoots by the ex-blizzard guys makes some new thing that gains at least some popularity, I fail to see how their leaving Blizzard affects anything]\ |
| 19:11.16 | kenlyric | I wanna kill matt groening. |
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| 19:11.46 | HarveyDent | Hellgate and Warhammer stand the only chance of bringing away subscribers |
| 19:11.51 | kenlyric | but wow is total crap. That's why it has so many players. Like madden football. |
| 19:11.53 | deltron | mmm warhammer |
| 19:11.55 | kenlyric | hellgate. teehee |
| 19:11.55 | Amadeo | Hellgate isn't going to go anywhere |
| 19:12.03 | Amadeo | they ruined it with the subscription model |
| 19:12.10 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.14 | kenlyric | warhammer won't pull away the bulk of wow subscribers. Maybe the hardcores. |
| 19:12.18 | Gnarfoz | kenlyric: far from it, and you know that ;) |
| 19:12.26 | HarveyDent | I don't feel either one will ruin anything |
| 19:12.33 | Amadeo | Hellgate: London is the game developed by Bill Roper's team at Flagship Studios |
| 19:12.38 | HarveyDent | I think that BOTH will present a very viable option for WoW players to also try out |
| 19:12.57 | HarveyDent | and from personal experience Hellgate is going places |
| 19:13.00 | Amadeo | Hellgate: London isn't an MMORPG |
| 19:13.04 | HarveyDent | same with Warhammer. |
| 19:13.07 | HarveyDent | so? |
| 19:13.10 | HarveyDent | Diablo isn't either. |
| 19:13.12 | HarveyDent | point? |
| 19:13.13 | Amadeo | So why would WoW players ditch WoW for Hellgate? |
| 19:13.17 | Amadeo | it's a different game |
| 19:13.20 | HarveyDent | Exactly. |
| 19:13.25 | HarveyDent | it's different. |
| 19:13.43 | HarveyDent | you put words in my mouth saying that they would leave |
| 19:13.48 | HarveyDent | I just suggested it's another game to play |
| 19:13.54 | Amadeo | <HarveyDent> Hellgate and Warhammer stand the only chance of bringing away subscribers |
| 19:13.54 | sylvanaar | wow can rest on its laurels |
| 19:13.59 | Amadeo | You said it |
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| 19:14.03 | HarveyDent | we all know WoW is easy to quit but not easy to give up |
| 19:14.11 | HarveyDent | right |
| 19:14.13 | HarveyDent | I did |
| 19:14.22 | HarveyDent | and I, unlike you, have firsthand experience with each of those titles. |
| 19:14.24 | HarveyDent | extensively. |
| 19:14.38 | HarveyDent | They aren't flash in the pan games. |
| 19:14.50 | Amadeo | Who said they were? |
| 19:14.59 | Amadeo | I said it's not going to go anywhere because of the subscription model |
| 19:15.01 | Amadeo | It's terrible |
| 19:15.24 | Amadeo | They even expect players to pay for a few months just to get features they claimed would ship with the game |
| 19:15.31 | Amadeo | and it's not even an MMO |
| 19:15.33 | kenlyric | any game with pvp as the focus is going to have a hard time pulling any significant amount of subscribers away from WoW |
| 19:16.02 | Amadeo | I think Warhammer will do a good job, but it won't put a huge dent into it |
| 19:16.04 | HarveyDent | WoW is a juggernaut, but definitely has some power left in it. there's plenty of gaming to go around |
| 19:16.15 | HarveyDent | Anyother game to look for is Tabula Rasa |
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| 19:16.29 | HarveyDent | it won't be huge, I think, but it's definitely got a major selling point |
| 19:16.32 | HarveyDent | FPS + MMO |
| 19:16.39 | sylvanaar | wow lacks compelling content now - people play it because there is nothing better - but many wish there was |
| 19:16.39 | Amadeo | You'll probably see about 2 million players subscribe to Warhammer while they still have their WoW accounts active, and most will probably go back to WoW due to familiarity |
| 19:17.09 | kenlyric | most MMOs fail to make casual gamers happy, which affects how much money they have to develop raid content, which is is always a carrot even for the most casual gamer. |
| 19:17.11 | Amadeo | PlayNC games never go anywhere |
| 19:17.22 | Amadeo | er, NCSoft, whatever they are |
| 19:17.34 | sylvanaar | the only thing which sounds interesting is the siege machine stuff |
| 19:17.41 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: huh? says who...? not all 9 million+ subscribers have done everything possible in game, rather the opposite |
| 19:17.45 | Amadeo | NCSoft is kinda like SOE, just pile on MMORPGs and try to make some money |
| 19:18.20 | Grum | meh why is calculating line-intersections with a random shape so hard =D |
| 19:18.32 | sylvanaar | im starting to wonder where all 9 million are |
| 19:18.38 | kenlyric | It's not like warhammer will be this things where everything is new and groundbreaking. |
| 19:18.40 | kenlyric | China |
| 19:18.43 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 19:18.46 | [Liquidor] | Can someone explain this to me?: |
| 19:18.46 | [Liquidor] | local L = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(self, key) return key end}) |
| 19:18.51 | sylvanaar | on chinese servers |
| 19:18.56 | Amadeo | Yeah, the majority of WoW subscribers aren't from the US |
| 19:18.59 | HarveyDent | warhammer will be a decent game I feel |
| 19:19.00 | kenlyric | there will be a lot of the same old stuff we've done for a decade. |
| 19:19.04 | [Ammo] | [Liquidor]: it's a locale faker |
| 19:19.19 | [Ammo] | if you want to localize your addon some time |
| 19:19.21 | [Ammo] | but not right now |
| 19:19.23 | HarveyDent | and hellgate is like diablo on crack |
| 19:19.23 | [Liquidor] | [Ammo], used for? I mean, what does it do? |
| 19:19.23 | [Ammo] | put it at the top |
| 19:19.27 | HarveyDent | and people STILL play D2 |
| 19:19.36 | kenlyric | but not a lot of people. |
| 19:19.38 | Grum | [Liquidor]: did you read the documentation on metatables? |
| 19:19.38 | [Ammo] | and then you can use L["Zomg this string needs translating"] |
| 19:19.41 | HarveyDent | uh |
| 19:19.44 | HarveyDent | alot of people still do |
| 19:19.45 | Amadeo | Blizzard carries a huge following in its name |
| 19:19.48 | kenlyric | reallyh? |
| 19:19.50 | kenlyric | 9 million? |
| 19:19.50 | HarveyDent | in fact, roughly 3 million |
| 19:19.55 | [Ammo] | after that you grep for the L[*] stuff and add it to a locale table |
| 19:19.58 | sylvanaar | yeah, its a brand |
| 19:19.58 | [Liquidor] | Grum, last year and still don't get metatables, that's why I'm asking. |
| 19:20.04 | Grum | it basically says: whenever you access index 'X' in this meta-table just return 'X' :) |
| 19:20.06 | Amadeo | sylvanaar: Yep! |
| 19:20.10 | kenlyric | 3 million unique people? lies. |
| 19:20.19 | HarveyDent | sylvanaar: you can't keep equating a title to it's popularity |
| 19:20.25 | Grum | s/access/request/ |
| 19:20.32 | HarveyDent | Eve Online is one of the most successful titles on the market |
| 19:20.37 | HarveyDent | how many subscribers? |
| 19:20.39 | Amadeo | what? |
| 19:20.41 | Amadeo | no it's not |
| 19:20.41 | HarveyDent | 78k |
| 19:20.44 | HarveyDent | yes, it is. |
| 19:20.45 | [Liquidor] | Grum, oh instead of its value? |
| 19:20.50 | Amadeo | 78k is successful? |
| 19:20.50 | HarveyDent | it's been paid for over and over and over. |
| 19:20.59 | HarveyDent | When it pays for the game ten times over, yes. |
| 19:21.09 | sylvanaar | HarveyDent what am i equating again? |
| 19:21.12 | Amadeo | I really doubt that, they come out with new content all the time |
| 19:21.14 | HarveyDent | It allows (and is allowing) that developer to focus on content and creation |
| 19:21.15 | Grum | yes, you overwrite the 'index' accessor (when you get the value for the index you give normally) but in this case - you will just return the index |
| 19:21.17 | Amadeo | new content doesn't mean it's paid for |
| 19:21.19 | Gnarfoz | I'd guess that also counts for both D2 and WoW. what's your point? |
| 19:21.21 | Amadeo | it means they're putting money into it |
| 19:21.33 | kenlyric | I believe the argument was about other MMOs killing WoW. If warhammer pulls away a good chunk of hardcore players, so what? thatere's another few milliion casuals that have no reason to leave. |
| 19:21.34 | Grum | which is basicly what a normal AceLocale would do if it has no translation except the default one |
| 19:21.41 | HarveyDent | either way this is definitely something that requires experience to seriously discuss |
| 19:21.48 | HarveyDent | everything else said is just opinion |
| 19:21.57 | Amadeo | Let me guess, you have extensive experience again? :) |
| 19:21.58 | [Liquidor] | so metatables are tables with different properties than default? |
| 19:22.03 | Grum | yup |
| 19:22.06 | [Liquidor] | woot |
| 19:22.08 | HarveyDent | Yes in fact, I do. |
| 19:22.12 | Amadeo | Of course! |
| 19:22.12 | [Liquidor] | now I finally get what metatables are :S |
| 19:22.17 | Grum | and that makes it very powerfull AND scary |
| 19:22.22 | HarveyDent | How many AAA titles have you shipped? |
| 19:22.25 | sylvanaar | i really dont care about the 8.9 million casuals |
| 19:22.25 | HarveyDent | I'm up to 7 |
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| 19:22.34 | Amadeo | Oh? Which titles? |
| 19:22.39 | [Ammo] | if you're scared by software, shut down your PC now |
| 19:22.43 | kenlyric | sylvanaar: fine, but that wasn't our discussion. |
| 19:22.50 | Grum | * has quit irc. |
| 19:23.22 | HarveyDent | Madden, NCAA, System Shock 1/2, Deus Ex, Half Life |
| 19:23.26 | Grum | [Ammo]: not so much scared of pcs, just implementing some math is crappy .. i can do it on paper but not in code O.o |
| 19:23.27 | sylvanaar | [24 14:21] <kenlyric> I believe the argument was about other MMOs killing WoW. If warhammer pulls away a good chunk of hardcore players, so what? thatere's another few milliion casuals that have no reason to leave. |
| 19:23.29 | HarveyDent | Tiger |
| 19:23.33 | HarveyDent | and NASCAR |
| 19:24.00 | HarveyDent | Which titles have you worked on? |
| 19:24.05 | Grum | well .. allmost do it on paper - i cant 'prove' some situations i need to be able to reproduce in code ... sigh |
| 19:24.22 | Amadeo | HarveyDent: So I should find you in the credits of all those games? |
| 19:24.36 | Gnarfoz | wtf is an AAA title |
| 19:24.41 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 19:24.51 | kenlyric | how the fuck do you work on all those titles? |
| 19:24.58 | HarveyDent | outsourced art |
| 19:24.59 | [Liquidor] | But what else can you do with metatables other than changing the return to return key instead of value? |
| 19:25.10 | kenlyric | oh, lol |
| 19:25.12 | Amadeo | HarveyDent: Show me some of your artwork |
| 19:25.12 | Gnarfoz | apprently absolutely amazing titles, I guess |
| 19:25.15 | kenlyric | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.16 | Grum | [Liquidor]: now you should read the documentation |
| 19:25.22 | [Liquidor] | Grum, think I'll do |
| 19:25.26 | [Liquidor] | might understand it this time |
| 19:25.33 | HarveyDent | you can search for my stuff on polycount |
| 19:25.37 | Grum | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.8 |
| 19:25.55 | Grum | it can do way to much for us 'just to explain' |
| 19:26.05 | Grum | you can overload most of the operators for example |
| 19:26.36 | Amadeo | er, who designed this website? |
| 19:26.51 | Grum | lua.org? |
| 19:26.56 | HarveyDent | brb |
| 19:26.58 | Amadeo | no |
| 19:26.59 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:26.59 | Grum | dunno - prolly just generated from the sourcecode :) |
| 19:27.04 | Amadeo | polycount |
| 19:27.18 | Grum | you still havent said an url |
| 19:27.29 | Amadeo | polycount.com |
| 19:27.31 | Amadeo | lol |
| 19:27.36 | Gnarfoz | yeah anyway: "outsourced art" vs. market numbers vs. popularity vs. subsribers/players vs. profit - this doesn't seem to fit |
| 19:28.19 | Grum | auch .. hurt .. eyes .. burning corneas .. *cry* |
| 19:28.40 | kenlyric | most MMOs are financially successful. Even the ones that really suck. |
| 19:28.46 | Grum | but it is prolly Web2.0 .. yay! .. *sob* |
| 19:28.54 | kenlyric | you don't really need that many subscribers to run one server. :) |
| 19:29.05 | Gnarfoz | polycount was ugly back when I played Quake. amazing to see it still is :D |
| 19:29.05 | Grum | right |
| 19:29.07 | Grum | you do kenlyric |
| 19:29.10 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 19:29.19 | Grum | Gnarfoz: it looked better back then tbh |
| 19:29.30 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it had working links and *gasp* content |
| 19:29.37 | Grum | and a community :) |
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| 19:29.41 | Gnarfoz | oh, food |
| 19:29.42 | Gnarfoz | bbl |
| 19:29.46 | Arrowmaster | anarchy online is still going and they let you play the basic game without expansions for free |
| 19:30.04 | Grum | kenlyric: just hosting a server setup which allows 500+ concurrent players will cost much per month |
| 19:30.30 | Grum | i think one wow-server is about 20+ server orso |
| 19:30.39 | Grum | and they only host about 2-3k people at the same time orso |
| 19:31.00 | Arrowmaster | wow servers are clusters at different locations |
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| 19:31.07 | Grum | not really |
| 19:31.14 | kenlyric | well, I was being extreme. Obviously there's a point you need to hit where the cost ratio is worth it. |
| 19:31.15 | Arrowmaster | many servers for one realm |
| 19:31.17 | Grum | they are all in frankfurt (the EU/en ones) at least) |
| 19:31.19 | kenlyric | but it's certainly not in the millions. |
| 19:31.29 | Arrowmaster | but those many servers are also for the entire battlegroup |
| 19:31.55 | Grum | and blizzard doesnt want em hosted anywhere else :) |
| 19:32.13 | Arrowmaster | its probably cheapest |
| 19:32.14 | Grum | my previous company offered 2-4 full racks with 10gb for free |
| 19:32.22 | kenlyric | the issue with wow killing the market that came before it is that the market was tiny then. The market is huge now. No single game will be able to pull enough people away to make it no longer cost effective to develop new content for it. |
| 19:32.37 | Grum | ah well they love 'being in control' and who can blame them tbh |
| 19:32.38 | kenlyric | Eventually, with many games, maybe. |
| 19:32.54 | [Liquidor] | Grum, you evil bastard..now I don't understand metatables again :(( |
| 19:33.06 | Grum | [Liquidor]: seriously they are really simple |
| 19:33.16 | Arrowmaster | companies can be real cheapasses when it comes to bandwidth costs |
| 19:33.27 | Grum | but please dont abuse them |
| 19:33.35 | Grum | you hardly need em and over complicate code very fast |
| 19:33.54 | [Liquidor] | I don't think I'm even able to use them so that wont be a prob :) |
| 19:34.07 | Grum | you will be using them - you just wont know it;) |
| 19:34.10 | [Liquidor] | Grum, well I read the manual however.... |
| 19:34.26 | Grum | AceDB heavily relies on it for example :) |
| 19:35.03 | [Liquidor] | Why make a function for let's say __add which first checks for numbers (usual debug) and then tries to use normal '+' however if not numbers it goes with __add :S |
| 19:35.09 | [Liquidor] | So confusing -.- |
| 19:35.17 | Arrowmaster | i know a guy that owns a major server farm host in irvine cali and he lost the bid to host valves steam system by like less than $1 per gb of transfer or something |
| 19:35.38 | Grum | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 19:35.41 | Grum | that is sad |
| 19:35.43 | [Liquidor] | Dinner ready, cya |
| 19:35.51 | Grum | those companies should take quality over quantity |
| 19:36.09 | Kirkburn | Quick note for those interested in BioShock, I have a BioShock wiki up and running at bioshock.wikia.com |
| 19:36.15 | Grum | ah well if you are big enough you cant care less .. look at MS with their pre-alpha OS'es |
| 19:36.21 | Arrowmaster | i have no doubt that if he would have hosted steam it wouldnt of had the early bandwidth problems |
| 19:36.35 | kenlyric | yeah, does it have a mailing list I can join for when it's safe to buy that useless pile of shit? |
| 19:36.37 | Arrowmaster | hes got some serious fucking awesome equipment |
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| 19:37.02 | Grum | that says nothing Arrowmaster :) |
| 19:37.42 | Grum | it has to be working .. and tbh having 'the top of the line' mostly boils down to: 'being the first to discover bugs' |
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| 19:38.13 | Grum | seen that so many times before - companies pushing hardware - it falling over on a stupid bug and then running production on 'debug firmware' :/ |
| 19:38.19 | kenlyric | I didn't have any issues when HL2 came out. |
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| 19:38.34 | Grum | afaik HL2 wasn't downloadable at that time |
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| 19:38.56 | Grum | or was that one of the earlier games which they offered for download? |
| 19:39.03 | Arrowmaster | there was issues when everything switched to steam for CS |
| 19:39.08 | kenlyric | I remember getting steam a few months before HL2. but I never got anything from them. |
| 19:39.11 | Arrowmaster | most of it got worked out before HL2 |
| 19:39.17 | kenlyric | ah. |
| 19:39.21 | Grum | i dont understand why they didn't just used the akamai network |
| 19:39.25 | Grum | even MS does that =D |
| 19:39.29 | kenlyric | I thought HL2 was the reason for steam. |
| 19:39.37 | Grum | yeah |
| 19:39.46 | Grum | and then steam was like really nice to distribute crap over |
| 19:39.50 | Arrowmaster | they still switched the old stuff to steam before hl2 |
| 19:39.54 | kenlyric | though I do remember them moving the multiplayer servers to that structure. |
| 19:40.03 | Grum | and now you have 'yet another crap closed source implementation' :) |
| 19:40.21 | Arrowmaster | i really like arenanets distribution system |
| 19:40.58 | kenlyric | I don't care how it happens, just make it online so I don't ahve to shop in a shitty store and get a shitty CD that scratches. |
| 19:41.20 | Grum | ah well there is hardly anything you cant get online =D |
| 19:41.26 | kenlyric | legally. |
| 19:41.32 | Grum | what is that swearword? |
| 19:41.36 | kenlyric | well, electronic distribution. |
| 19:41.41 | Ordog | Arrowmaster is that friend of yours interested in gamers as customers? atm we are searching for a sponsor for our wc3 dedicated hosting technology |
| 19:41.43 | Ordog | :> |
| 19:41.50 | kenlyric | of course you can buy the crap CD/DVD media online |
| 19:41.59 | Grum | i rather download it ;) |
| 19:42.04 | Grum | daemontools ftw |
| 19:42.13 | Arrowmaster | Ordog: well he is a boardmember of www.gamesurge.net |
| 19:42.18 | kenlyric | I actually like paying for stuff I use. |
| 19:42.40 | kenlyric | not that it won't stop me from playing a cracked bioshock. Fuck those guys. |
| 19:42.47 | Grum | hahaha |
| 19:42.48 | Ordog | hum how can i contact him? |
| 19:43.03 | Grum | kenlyric: i pay gladly for games like wow |
| 19:43.14 | Grum | i cba to pay for games that i might just enjoy for 2 hrs |
| 19:43.44 | Grum | but i have to say - some games are getting rather large .. just downloaded 20gb for 1 game O.o |
| 19:43.48 | kenlyric | I usually just don't play games like that. |
| 19:44.33 | Grum | well you have to try before you can decide ;) |
| 19:44.47 | kenlyric | well, that's different. |
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| 19:44.59 | kenlyric | I'm a big consumer of demos-by-bittorent ;) |
| 19:45.15 | kenlyric | because games don't actually make demos anymore. |
| 19:45.39 | Grum | hehe .. bet the feds are huge fan of saving all your data you send out in those torrent swarms ;) |
| 19:46.11 | Grum | gah why is it so hard to do line-square intersections |
| 19:46.18 | Ordog | may i pm you Arrowmaster ? |
| 19:46.21 | kenlyric | torrents, usenet, whatever. |
| 19:46.26 | Grum | i dont get it - it seems so bloody trivial :) |
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| 19:54.44 | kebinusan | Most of my torrent downloads are fansub anime |
| 19:54.53 | Superfly_ | does anybody use "puppet"? |
| 19:55.28 | kebinusan | nope no clue what it is |
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| 19:58.50 | CIA-14 | ItemValue: |
| 19:58.50 | CIA-14 | - Class specific categories for BestItems |
| 19:58.50 | CIA-14 | - BestItems now only displays usable items |
| 19:58.50 | CIA-14 | - BestItems now scans rare, epic and legendary items |
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| 20:01.51 | art3mis | purl, 1+1 |
| 20:01.51 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 |
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| 20:02.05 | art3mis | purl, 13912 / 3 |
| 20:02.05 | purl | 4637.333333333333 |
| 20:02.20 | art3mis | purl, 13912 / 24 / 365 |
| 20:02.20 | purl | 1.588127853881 |
| 20:04.01 | kebinusan | purl, 42/0 |
| 20:04.12 | kebinusan | :-( |
| 20:04.33 | Superfly_ | meanie :) |
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| 20:04.35 | kebinusan | ~kick purl |
| 20:04.36 | purl | ACTION kicks purl |
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| 20:08.57 | Punkie` | ~botsnack |
| 20:08.57 | purl | :), Punkie` |
| 20:12.34 | dodga | ~lick purl |
| 20:12.34 | purl | ACTION licks purl *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 20:13.19 | Punkie` | dont do that! |
| 20:13.24 | Punkie` | ~botsnack |
| 20:13.24 | purl | :), Punkie` |
| 20:14.15 | Trancer | cladhaire: any chance rangecheck will be 'fixed' for warriors in perfectraid? |
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| 20:15.43 | cladhaire | there's no spell you can put in? |
| 20:15.58 | cladhaire | not for a few weeks or so.. i could try to hack together code for you if you email me |
| 20:16.11 | cladhaire | but as far as a proper update, the new book has most of my time and attentio n |
| 20:16.39 | kadrahil | ~lick herself |
| 20:16.40 | purl | ACTION licks herself *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 20:17.14 | durcyn | kadrahil: easily entertained, i see. |
| 20:17.23 | kadrahil | durcyn: :( |
| 20:17.32 | kadrahil | durcyn: incredibly bored at work waiting for vmware server to download. |
| 20:17.50 | kadrahil | durcyn: and pissed that i'll be making 2.5 fewer part-time hours this semester. |
| 20:17.57 | kadrahil | working |
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| 20:18.32 | kadrahil | i gave them my schedule and the possibility of working 17 hours, and they gave me 12.5 |
| 20:23.13 | kadrahil | well |
| 20:23.31 | kadrahil | i guess they didn't see the point of me coming back in for less than two hours on tues/thurs |
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| 20:46.05 | Fisker- | FUCKING AWESOME |
| 20:46.32 | mjc | ? |
| 20:46.50 | Fisker- | Bioshock >P |
| 20:46.55 | Fisker- | it wins |
| 20:47.15 | Fisker- | you can research enemies |
| 20:47.21 | Amadeo | on google? |
| 20:47.47 | Fisker- | no |
| 20:47.49 | Fisker- | in bioshock |
| 20:47.57 | Fisker- | get some cool perks btw :P |
| 20:48.25 | Fisker- | pretty exploitive though :P |
| 20:48.36 | Fisker- | You can freeze enemies |
| 20:48.49 | Fisker- | then just walk up close and get the best photo you can get :P |
| 20:49.38 | Fisker- | gonna get some sleep after this awesomeness |
| 20:49.41 | Amadeo | you take pictures in BioShock? |
| 20:49.43 | Fisker- | i'm all awe'd out |
| 20:49.46 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 20:49.47 | Amadeo | It sounds like Pokemon |
| 20:49.51 | Fisker- | it is! |
| 20:50.09 | Fisker- | it's kinda like beyond good & evil if i remember correctly |
| 20:50.18 | Fisker- | you take photos of your enemies and in the end you get an upgrade |
| 20:50.57 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 20:51.01 | Fisker- | no u |
| 20:51.06 | Fisker- | gonna get some sleep |
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| 20:54.22 | kergoth | hmm, is farming scryers/aldor stuffs and ah'ing it profitable at all, or better off sticking to primals? |
| 20:54.58 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 20:55.12 | Shadowed| | daily quests are better i'd imagine |
| 20:55.23 | kergoth | true, but beyond that |
| 20:55.44 | Shadowed| | have you done all of the dailies? =p |
| 20:55.52 | NightHawkAtWork | kergoth: yeesh. someone's slow :P |
| 20:56.17 | Shadowed| | epic flyers are overrated |
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| 20:56.23 | Shadowed| | I just bought 3 DMF cards instead |
| 20:56.43 | kergoth | NightHawkAtWork, quite.. i keep buying jc recipes on the ah instead |
| 20:56.46 | NightHawkAtWork | I'd rather get where I'm going sometime this year, but that's me. :P |
| 20:56.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:56.57 | Grum | rha! finally solved it! |
| 20:57.05 | kergoth | my hunter could use it, he's my farmer.. rogue (main) i dont really care as much |
| 20:57.38 | genetik- | kergoth: depends on your server, really. if there are a lot of people with alts needing aldor/scryers faction, they're more likely to buy the rep than farm it. |
| 20:58.15 | Grum | prices for repitems have been low as hell since people started botting that crap - i do see the coilfang armaments reaching a new high though :) |
| 20:58.18 | Grum | ~20g |
| 20:58.19 | NightHawkAtWork | I'd guess mining/herbing if you have either would be more worth the time than farming rep items |
| 20:58.42 | kergoth | i have both, one on each char, but not having the epic flyer makes it slow going :) |
| 20:59.15 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, but not impossible. :P |
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| 21:00.10 | NightHawkAtWork | I think if I can do it on a prot specced warrior, anyone can manage. ;) |
| 21:01.18 | Grum | easiest is still buying wowmoney :) |
| 21:01.51 | Grum | if you actually do the comparison how much it would cost per hour ... you'd be surprised how cheapass the gold is .. which is both sad and good together :) |
| 21:02.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:02.16 | kergoth | thats not suprising |
| 21:02.21 | ckknight | well, so people know, Joker's very close to being actually useable by the masses. After a long conversation with Kaelten last night about the future of Joker et al, I've gained renewed vigor on working on it. There are just a few more tiny details to work out (which should only take a day to work out) before people can use it legitimately. |
| 21:02.27 | kergoth | i'm certain my time is worth more than the poor saps doing the farming for those gold farming places |
| 21:02.45 | Grum | ckknight: grats btw :) |
| 21:03.03 | Grum | has anything real been decided? |
| 21:03.07 | Grum | aka: will Joker be 'teh next ace' ? |
| 21:03.17 | ckknight | that's not been decided, yet |
| 21:03.35 | ckknight | I still have hopes, though |
| 21:03.41 | TNSe | whats joker >_< |
| 21:03.41 | durcyn | just release "wowjokerupdater" and people will use it |
| 21:03.47 | ckknight | lol, durcyn |
| 21:03.49 | ckknight | you're right |
| 21:04.11 | ckknight | TNSe: it's a new addon framework, like Ace2, but better |
| 21:04.19 | TNSe | whats the improvements |
| 21:04.20 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Joker <-- for details |
| 21:04.20 | TNSe | not technical |
| 21:04.24 | TNSe | just what ooh kay :p |
| 21:04.31 | ckknight | better algorithms, mostly |
| 21:04.37 | ckknight | so things'll be faster/lower memory |
| 21:04.42 | ckknight | from the user's POV |
| 21:04.51 | ckknight | for developers, it's easier to code against compared to Ace2 |
| 21:05.01 | ckknight | mostly because things are more consistent |
| 21:05.04 | Grum | hehe Ace2 has some unfriendlyness ;) |
| 21:05.07 | TNSe | ah |
| 21:05.12 | Grum | what did Kaelten say btw? and howcome you didn't had vigor left? |
| 21:05.42 | TNSe | thats usually a problem with 'first' version interfaces |
| 21:05.42 | Grum | had some nastiness communitywise again? |
| 21:05.42 | TNSe | they are inconsistant |
| 21:05.43 | ckknight | very true, TNSe |
| 21:05.45 | TNSe | as things expand, and things get tricky to implement |
| 21:05.46 | Grum | and god i feel so stupid that i didn't solve my problem easier |
| 21:05.54 | TNSe | you often end up with a shitload of deprecated functions |
| 21:05.57 | Grum | i just found 'the way' to do it .. and it seems so BLOODY obvious |
| 21:06.18 | TNSe | I might have to start programming for wow soon enough >_< |
| 21:06.20 | ckknight | very, very true, TNSe |
| 21:06.27 | ckknight | hehe |
| 21:06.36 | Grum | TNSe: it's not that bad tbh |
| 21:06.45 | Grum | most of my coding stuff i've done is algorithms to do crap O.o |
| 21:08.04 | durcyn | so we now have Ace2, Dongle, Joker, LibStub, and "refactored" Ace2, eh? |
| 21:08.51 | ZealotOnAStick | ckknight: How will Joker work with regards to existing libraries built on the Ace2 library model? Will it work with them, or would they have to be rewritten for usability with Joker? |
| 21:09.37 | ckknight | well, they're distinct, but you can technically use both in the same addon without problems |
| 21:09.51 | ckknight | and LibJokerEvent-1.0 receives AceEvent-2.0's events |
| 21:09.56 | ckknight | so that makes things easier |
| 21:10.41 | ZealotOnAStick | Well, say for example, things like Glory, PT3 - will Joker play nice with those, and someone can write a Joker-frameworked addon with those libs? |
| 21:10.57 | fireglow | anyone knows if theres a addon that makes, for example, the eots tower cap bar moveable?, maybe even something nicer looking? |
| 21:10.59 | Arrowmaster | so really when using a non-mixin library theres no reason it has to be converted to joker and should just stay as ace2 until it gets truely rewriten rather than a speed conversion |
| 21:11.21 | Arrowmaster | fireglow: i think simpleminimap should |
| 21:11.57 | TNSe | ckknight, what other things did you make beyond joker again, name seems familiar :P |
| 21:12.31 | ckknight | most of Ace2, FuBar, Cartographer, CowTip, Parrot, PitBull, lots of libraries |
| 21:12.53 | Arrowmaster | lots of fubar plugins he wont take responsibity for anymore |
| 21:12.54 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: actually for mixin libraries, they can be used as well |
| 21:13.02 | TNSe | heh |
| 21:13.05 | ckknight | e.g. AceLibrary("FuBarPlugin-2.0"):embed(MyJokerAddon) |
| 21:13.14 | ckknight | tada |
| 21:13.27 | ckknight | you have a joker addon using FuBarPlugin-2.0 as a mixin |
| 21:13.40 | ckknight | though it may not be _perfect_ |
| 21:13.40 | Arrowmaster | what if that mixin uses other parts of ace2 |
| 21:13.50 | ckknight | if you have those other parts of Ace2, you're fine |
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| 21:14.09 | ckknight | otherwise, if you don't want to rely on Ace2, it'll need to be upgraded to Joker |
| 21:14.13 | Arrowmaster | doesnt sound like a _perfect_ solution but its workable |
| 21:14.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:14.44 | Arrowmaster | but i still hate the idea of stuff getting speed converted for the hell of it |
| 21:14.47 | ckknight | my general plan is to upgrade my addons to Joker, in the process upgrading the libraries they use |
| 21:15.12 | ckknight | by the end of that, quite a few libraries will be done and a good infrastructure will have been laid for others |
| 21:15.42 | Arrowmaster | should start a post on the forums about babble, imho the next version needs some work to make it better |
| 21:15.56 | ckknight | you should or I should? |
| 21:16.04 | Arrowmaster | somebody should |
| 21:16.07 | ckknight | btw, what are your thoughts about that? what could make it better? |
| 21:16.22 | Neebler | boobs. |
| 21:16.24 | Arrowmaster | well i know for somethings it can get screwy |
| 21:17.04 | Arrowmaster | mainly refering to stuff like icons when theres multiple things with the same name |
| 21:17.11 | Arrowmaster | and reverse translations |
| 21:17.30 | ckknight | hrm |
| 21:17.40 | TNSe | ckknight, I know a lot of software works with backwards compatibility issues |
| 21:17.48 | TNSe | I see that making Joker is an advantage P |
| 21:17.48 | TNSe | :P |
| 21:18.04 | ckknight | TNSe: one of the big reasons of making Joker was that backwards compatibility was being more of a burden than it's worth |
| 21:18.07 | TNSe | have it done before wow 3.0 |
| 21:18.13 | ckknight | brb |
| 21:18.13 | TNSe | imo. |
| 21:18.46 | TNSe | all mods will probably need rewrites for wow 3.0 |
| 21:18.56 | TNSe | and that gives you a nice time to get it done :P |
| 21:19.19 | NightHawkAtWork | only if they really change the underlying API, really |
| 21:19.32 | NightHawkAtWork | hmm, too many really's in that sentence. |
| 21:20.02 | TNSe | heh |
| 21:20.05 | TNSe | oh relaly :D |
| 21:20.09 | TNSe | they will |
| 21:20.13 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: for example i know that theres a druid talent that has the same name in deDE and frFR as Revenge so when doing a reverse translation on it you get "Revenge" instead of the real name and have to code around that |
| 21:20.14 | TNSe | they hate some mods |
| 21:20.33 | Grum | ideally in this case there should be made a 'forward compatibility layer' but that is extremely hard to do without creating too much overhead |
| 21:20.39 | NightHawkAtWork | I honestly don't think we'll see an API change on the same order of magnitude as the 2.0 one |
| 21:20.45 | NightHawkAtWork | at least not as soon as 3.0 |
| 21:21.07 | cncfanatics | ckknight, status on Joker ? |
| 21:21.23 | NightHawkAtWork | cncfanatics: jesus, read up the last two pagse. :P |
| 21:21.28 | cncfanatics | just got back from kara |
| 21:21.43 | art3mis | and boy are your arms tired? |
| 21:21.54 | NightHawkAtWork | lol |
| 21:22.00 | Grum | cncfanatics: fullcleared it? :) |
| 21:22.10 | cncfanatics | na |
| 21:22.16 | cncfanatics | weared grp without an offtank and without any dispellers |
| 21:22.20 | cncfanatics | and without shackles |
| 21:22.28 | cncfanatics | weared = weird |
| 21:22.38 | art3mis | without shackles? |
| 21:22.44 | art3mis | what was it a 10 hunter run? |
| 21:22.47 | cncfanatics | na |
| 21:23.07 | cncfanatics | managed to do attumen (easy), moroes (no shackles & no offtanks, EEK) and maiden (no dispellers, roflmao) |
| 21:23.15 | art3mis | X hunter runs are funny to watch fraps of |
| 21:23.20 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 21:23.25 | art3mis | all the pets swarm in |
| 21:23.27 | art3mis | thing dies |
| 21:23.28 | cncfanatics | 10 hunters is 20 men rly |
| 21:23.32 | art3mis | all the pets swarm out |
| 21:23.46 | art3mis | not really |
| 21:23.49 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: an idea would be to seperate things out more, maybe make it similar to pt3, have everything stored as stuff like class.tree.spell or class.tree.talent and use something similar to reverse translation when all you have is a translated word even if its in english |
| 21:23.50 | art3mis | it's still only 10 men |
| 21:23.56 | art3mis | and thier hunters ;P |
| 21:24.01 | Lyfe | no rez'ers of the players? eww. |
| 21:24.11 | art3mis | hutners dont die |
| 21:24.16 | art3mis | they feign death ;P |
| 21:24.40 | Lyfe | yeah.... right.. |
| 21:24.41 | art3mis | infact lets just start refering to them as possums from now on |
| 21:24.45 | Amadeo | a Hunter really tricked me yesterday with FD |
| 21:24.55 | art3mis | in pvp? |
| 21:24.56 | Amadeo | I swore I killed him, he must have barely escaped death when he FD |
| 21:24.57 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 21:25.01 | Amadeo | he had like NO HP left |
| 21:25.04 | art3mis | you need to go sell your account |
| 21:25.06 | Lyfe | i play a priest, hunters sure do die, and they're usually the ones that refuse to run back when the group wipes. |
| 21:25.07 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: its really something that probably needs a lot of work and community input on to figure out the limitations on the current system, what could really be useful changed, and what just might be nice changed |
| 21:25.11 | art3mis | and take up basketball or something ;P |
| 21:25.15 | Qaarh | Anyone know if there is a layouting mode for Grid? I wanna see how things look when I have x number of people in the raid... |
| 21:25.19 | Amadeo | art3mis: He had like 10 HP left |
| 21:25.33 | Amadeo | literally |
| 21:25.34 | art3mis | you keep hacking at the corpse til it doesnt have a nametag above it ;P |
| 21:25.45 | Amadeo | not when you're fighting 1v3 |
| 21:25.55 | shieldb | Qaarh, yep. The layouting mode is called "Alterac Valley" :| |
| 21:25.59 | art3mis | you didnt win did you ;) |
| 21:26.01 | Amadeo | I did |
| 21:26.04 | Qaarh | Ouch, that sucks.. |
| 21:26.09 | art3mis | how the hunter was still alive ;P |
| 21:26.20 | shieldb | I just queue into AV if I need to test a filled raid at any poinnt |
| 21:26.22 | art3mis | heh |
| 21:26.28 | Amadeo | I got him a second later, but I didn't realize he feigned because my last hit should have killed him |
| 21:26.40 | Amadeo | I didn't run away or something, lol |
| 21:26.54 | Amadeo | I just starting attacking someone else, then I'm like...oh shit, he's not dead -kill- |
| 21:26.55 | Amadeo | haha |
| 21:27.13 | shieldb | just run to frostwolf village or under the bridge and mess with all your settings there - as long as you aren't in the tunnel people should leave you alone ;) |
| 21:27.21 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: well, I'm fully willing to hear the community's comments and advice |
| 21:27.27 | kadrahil | Amadeo: i was chasing a hunter away in AV once when he FD'd with like 3% left |
| 21:27.39 | kadrahil | Amadeo: i'm like um, no, i'm not stupid, so i popped him another arcane shot |
| 21:27.54 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: i really noticed this issue looking at drdamages code |
| 21:28.01 | art3mis | okay i think im drunk |
| 21:28.05 | Arrowmaster | --IGNORE BELOW: Only added due to translation issues, BabbleSpell will translate Incineration into Combustion due to identical names in German clients. |
| 21:28.10 | art3mis | i just got an email about slayer playing a web concert |
| 21:28.13 | Amadeo | kadrahil: haha, I've never seen a Hunter cut it this close before |
| 21:28.14 | art3mis | wtf |
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| 21:28.39 | cncfanatics | sorry if it got asked before, but, how much weeks, aprox, till we get a Joker beta ? |
| 21:28.49 | Amadeo | brb |
| 21:28.51 | NightHawkAtWork | cncfanatics: read. up. |
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| 21:30.16 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: hrm. perhaps it could return an iterator for reverse translations... |
| 21:30.25 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: Yeah. That was annoying as hell :D |
| 21:30.56 | Qaarh | ckknight: rewrite Ace into LoLcode? http://lolcode.com |
| 21:31.08 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:31.12 | ckknight | can has bukkit? |
| 21:31.17 | CIA-14 | 03ckknight 07ckknight * r47359 10Joker/LibJokerComm-1.0/LibJokerComm-1.0.lua: LibJokerComm-1.0 - fix documentation example for :SendPrioritizedCommMessage |
| 21:31.19 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: i guess what im really saying is a way to fine tune the matching when youve got extra info available like say your working with the players talents so you know what classes talents your looking for |
| 21:31.22 | art3mis | i knew it! |
| 21:31.29 | art3mis | nighthack is a monkey! |
| 21:31.33 | art3mis | and nighthawk too |
| 21:31.36 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: but sometimes you don't... |
| 21:31.46 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: yeah i know |
| 21:31.48 | NightHawkAtWork | art3mis: no, you were right the first time. |
| 21:31.53 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: though I agree, categorization could be a damn good idea |
| 21:31.57 | art3mis | ~rimshot |
| 21:31.58 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 21:32.06 | cncfanatics | HAI CAN HAS STDIO? VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!" KTHXBYE |
| 21:32.08 | cncfanatics | ROFL |
| 21:32.23 | Arrowmaster | theres also some things like shadow vulnribility in babble spell that theres 2 debuffs with the same english name but different icons |
| 21:32.33 | ckknight | cncfanatics: Joker's coming along quite well, all in all |
| 21:32.36 | ckknight | it's nearly "done" |
| 21:33.16 | art3mis | ckknight: start calling your lib TSMB for short ;P |
| 21:33.34 | Arrowmaster | was thinking maybe switch away from using the english name as the unique index and use a truely unique index |
| 21:34.06 | Arrowmaster | but thats only my idea, dont know how others would like that or what inpact that would have on the speed of getting a translation |
| 21:34.08 | art3mis | Arrowmaster: random letters derived from rolling a d20 for consonants and a d6 for vowels? |
| 21:34.10 | cncfanatics | ckknight, soon a release candidate ? :p |
| 21:34.33 | NightHawkAtWork | art3mis: that would be an awesome way to generate random names... >.> |
| 21:35.12 | ckknight | art3mis: TSMB? |
| 21:35.35 | CIA-14 | 03kaelten * r47360 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 21:35.35 | CIA-14 | LibStub: |
| 21:35.35 | CIA-14 | - Fixed short cutting so that it can be inserted at the top of the file for libs. |
| 21:35.55 | ckknight | cncfanatics: well, that's the general idea |
| 21:36.39 | ckknight | current on the big todo list: Add a config for the Joker core, allowing you turn turn on/off contracts and on/off unit tests. |
| 21:36.57 | ckknight | I'd also be able to add other stuff there, if need be |
| 21:37.13 | cncfanatics | hmm, we'll need lots of docu on the wiki and some tutorials before getting going |
| 21:37.20 | ckknight | oh, definitely |
| 21:37.21 | art3mis | ckknight: the steve miller band ;P |
| 21:37.24 | ckknight | well, the API is all documented |
| 21:37.29 | ckknight | but I will have extensive tutorials |
| 21:37.29 | CC--home | how do u change the Font Color for WitchHunt?? |
| 21:37.34 | ckknight | similar to how I did the Ace2 tutorials |
| 21:37.49 | ckknight | I'm still wondering about changing the name of Joker |
| 21:38.09 | cncfanatics | JokerLib does sound silly :p |
| 21:38.17 | art3mis | NightHawkAtWork: i used to sue that to make my d&d npcs.. Kwelix Ivon was one of the names ;P you flip a coin to see its a voewl or cons. |
| 21:38.19 | ckknight | I'm not sure Ace3 would be kosher, all things considered, and Joker gives off that flair of "I want to watch the world burn" |
| 21:39.01 | NightHawkAtWork | art3mis: yeah, i figured something like a d2 for vowel/consenant. you'd get some strange names i'm sure, but it'd be neat. |
| 21:39.08 | kadrahil | http://www.babydollscloset.com/media/can_has.jpg |
| 21:39.08 | art3mis | hehe it is |
| 21:39.15 | cncfanatics | 5 vowers after eachother anyone ? |
| 21:39.18 | ckknight | lol, kadrahil |
| 21:39.21 | cncfanatics | s/vowers/vowels/ |
| 21:39.23 | NightHawkAtWork | could totally write that into a simple script, too |
| 21:39.28 | kadrahil | ckknight: someone's forum avatar on my guild's forums :) |
| 21:39.36 | kadrahil | ckknight: <booty bay bandits> |
| 21:39.40 | art3mis | cncfanatics: that would just make it paskistani ;P |
| 21:39.56 | art3mis | and pakistani too |
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| 21:40.51 | ckknight | hehe |
| 21:41.05 | ckknight | kadrahil: mine is "Hay be nice. Emokitteh is sensitive" and it shows a crying cat |
| 21:41.23 | kadrahil | ckknight: hehe |
| 21:41.32 | kadrahil | freaking quicksilver and its random crashes |
| 21:41.59 | art3mis | jokerlib shall now be know as Ckknights Redundant Array of Code blocKs |
| 21:42.01 | zac | Yeah, hopefully going open-source will help fix that. If that ever happens. QS crashing like crazy made me switch to LaunchBar. |
| 21:42.17 | art3mis | that way everyone can come in and ask for help with crack |
| 21:42.24 | ckknight | ... |
| 21:42.27 | art3mis | and can complain they have a problem with crack |
| 21:42.41 | art3mis | and there will always be new crack each day for everyone |
| 21:42.48 | cncfanatics | rofl |
| 21:42.54 | cncfanatics | I love you art3mis (randomly, yes) |
| 21:43.08 | ckknight | kadrahil: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=2243;type=avatar |
| 21:43.26 | kadrahil | ckknight: :O |
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| 21:44.06 | NightHawkAtWork | kadrahil: I've yet to have QS crash on me.. o_0 |
| 21:44.23 | NightHawkAtWork | although, I've heard great things about the latest launchbar, i don't think i could ever switch away from QS >< |
| 21:44.44 | Fanagon | hello :) is somebody here who can help me with an addon problem? |
| 21:44.52 | zac | I didn't really use anything in QS other than opening apps/calculator and stuff. LB does it pretty well, and I've had a license since forever ago, so switching over wasn't too bad. It's pretty snappy. |
| 21:45.11 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, i used to use LB |
| 21:45.19 | CIA-14 | 03kaelten * r47361 10LibStub/LibStub.lua: |
| 21:45.19 | CIA-14 | LibStub: |
| 21:45.19 | CIA-14 | - Line count reduction |
| 21:45.27 | art3mis | http://knd.kandoo.free.fr/you-re-gay.JPG |
| 21:45.41 | NightHawkAtWork | I've been getting into the more advanced features of QS though, proxy objects, triggers, and such. |
| 21:46.21 | art3mis | whats qs? |
| 21:46.24 | zac | Which're the proxy objects? |
| 21:46.35 | Fanagon | I got some ace2 addons, and now my normal WoW-quest-tracking at the right border is disabled, instead i have a questtracking in the top left corner and I almost see anything there.. does sb know which addon this is? |
| 21:46.41 | kadrahil | art3mis: quicksilver, a replacement for finder for OSX |
| 21:46.47 | ckknight | kadrahil: I use that |
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| 21:46.50 | art3mis | nea |
| 21:46.51 | art3mis | t |
| 21:46.54 | ckknight | it crashes on me every now and again |
| 21:46.56 | ckknight | hey Funkeh` |
| 21:46.58 | art3mis | ya know what i'd love on my winders box |
| 21:47.00 | NightHawkAtWork | kadrahil: it's hardly a replacement for finder, but a very nice addon |
| 21:47.05 | kadrahil | NightHawkAtWork: true |
| 21:47.06 | art3mis | thats scroller rolling menu thingy from osx |
| 21:47.12 | kadrahil | i don't use it to its fullest potential |
| 21:47.29 | NightHawkAtWork | me either, but i doubt anyone does. :P |
| 21:47.33 | NightHawkAtWork | it's stupidly powerful |
| 21:47.39 | Funkeh` | heya |
| 21:47.42 | zac | And sadly unmaintained as of late |
| 21:47.52 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, I've been noticing that too. >< |
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| 21:48.45 | NightHawkAtWork | Random question, anyone know how to get a window back on screen if the top half of it is completely off the screen, in Windows? |
| 21:49.01 | zac | ctrl+space+m and use down arrows to move it down |
| 21:49.11 | Fanagon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.21 | Fanagon | does nobody know a solution to my problem? :( |
| 21:49.39 | NightHawkAtWork | zac: not working for me so much... |
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| 21:50.15 | cncfanatics | Fanagon, not really no |
| 21:50.34 | zac | NightHawkAtWork: is it an app that overrides the window significantly (something like trillian, for example) |
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| 21:50.52 | NightHawkAtWork | zac: probably, it's my Pidgin buddy list. |
| 21:51.03 | NightHawkAtWork | which uses GTK for windowing |
| 21:51.10 | zac | That may very well do it or something |
| 21:52.18 | art3mis | nighthawk |
| 21:52.20 | kadrahil | piece of crap slow server |
| 21:52.23 | art3mis | just click on the border |
| 21:52.25 | kadrahil | slow kernel compile |
| 21:52.28 | NightHawkAtWork | zac: actually, you had it wrong, it's alt-space m :P |
| 21:52.32 | art3mis | and do the winder move thingy |
| 21:52.41 | zac | oh, sorry, I haven't used windows in uh.. a long time ;) |
| 21:53.47 | zac | I rarely used a mouse when I used windows, now I can barely think of doing half the things (moving windows, resizing them, etc) without one. |
| 21:55.03 | cncfanatics | mouses, meh |
| 21:55.09 | cncfanatics | tab, ctrl + alt + arrow ftw |
| 21:55.24 | cncfanatics | I only mouse in wow or in my text editor pretty much :p |
| 21:57.33 | Grum | you should learn vim .. no mouse needed :) |
| 21:57.50 | art3mis | nano > * |
| 21:58.11 | Grum | lol |
| 21:58.13 | durcyn | you seriously enjoy using the pine composer |
| 21:58.16 | Fanagon | I got some ace2 addons, and now my normal WoW-quest-tracking at the right border is disabled, instead i have a questtracking in the top left corner and I almost see nothing there.. does sb know which addon this is? (sorry 4 multiple question but i cant figure it out and its very annoying) |
| 21:58.19 | durcyn | kill yourself, artemis |
| 21:58.23 | art3mis | ive decided that vim 6 and emacs are only used by nerds who want to seem cool |
| 21:58.38 | ckknight | Fanagon: get any quest-related addons? |
| 21:58.57 | ckknight | art3mis: nano's pretty alright for some stuff |
| 21:59.10 | Grum | art3mis: nah vim is definately a speedup while writing code :) |
| 21:59.13 | art3mis | 6 == vi btw ;P |
| 21:59.14 | NightHawkAtWork | art3mis: you just described about 80% of the people in this channel |
| 21:59.34 | Grum | and we are cool |
| 21:59.36 | NightHawkAtWork | (the other 20% being mouthbreathing idiots..) |
| 21:59.42 | art3mis | NightHawkAtWork: and if we took a poll on fav editors in nix what do you think would be the top 3 ;) |
| 21:59.51 | durcyn | NightHawkAtWork: channelling Industrial, are we? |
| 21:59.55 | Fanagon | ckknight: with /ace2 list ace2 i cant find anything related to quests |
| 22:00.03 | art3mis | joe gedit and edlin? |
| 22:00.04 | ckknight | hrm, dunno then |
| 22:00.05 | NightHawkAtWork | durcyn: no, I'm always this big of a jerk. ;) |
| 22:00.15 | CIA-14 | 03thexod * r47362 10ItemValue/BestItems.lua: |
| 22:00.15 | CIA-14 | ItemValue: |
| 22:00.15 | CIA-14 | - BestItems now scans Robes, again |
| 22:00.15 | CIA-14 | - Fixed 2H weapons not working with BestItems |
| 22:00.24 | Fanagon | thats the weird thing and why i'm here :) |
| 22:00.28 | kergoth | hmm, wonder if http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31328 are worth buying |
| 22:00.40 | Grum | art3mis: lol .. emacs/vim/someothercrap |
| 22:00.58 | art3mis | heh |
| 22:01.08 | Grum | kergoth: NO it complete sucks and should not be ingame |
| 22:01.15 | art3mis | emacs is fine as an os, but really there are better simple text editors ;P |
| 22:01.21 | kergoth | how so? |
| 22:01.54 | NightHawkAtWork | art3mis: also: emacs, vi/m, and textmate, in that order. ;) |
| 22:02.04 | Grum | kergoth: because it sucks :) (or so the hunters in my guild say :D) |
| 22:02.30 | art3mis | oh i saw the funniest graphitti in calgary about 8 years ago |
| 22:02.31 | Grum | NightHawkAtWork: i dont like emacs because i dont like ((((L)I)S)P) :) |
| 22:02.44 | art3mis | someone wrote "pico" in big red letters on this construction wall |
| 22:02.49 | Grum | lol |
| 22:02.53 | NightHawkAtWork | Grum: you should stab yourself for not liking lisp ;) |
| 22:03.05 | art3mis | the next day walking home i look over and it's got a circle and a line through it and emacs written udnerneath |
| 22:03.06 | Grum | i can stab myself with those )('s :) |
| 22:03.09 | kergoth | well, those got buffed in 2.2, just curious about whether its enough to make it worth getting or not.. would lose a fair bit of rap in favor of the pet |
| 22:03.42 | Grum | your pet might be 10-30% of your dmg - depending on your spec |
| 22:03.43 | ckknight | (((((()())(()()))((()())(()())))(((()())(()()))((()())(()()))))((((()())(()()))((()())(()())))(((()())(()()))((()())(()()))))) |
| 22:03.46 | ckknight | lisp is fun! |
| 22:03.51 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:03.58 | art3mis | http://knd.kandoo.free.fr/you-re-gay.JPG |
| 22:04.00 | ckknight | alright, I'm heading out for a little while |
| 22:04.00 | Grum | but as it is - it's hard to keep it alive - hardly any healer addons support pets |
| 22:04.04 | art3mis | ;) |
| 22:04.16 | NightHawkAtWork | http://xkcd.com/224/ |
| 22:04.20 | art3mis | thatws because epts are a waste of mana |
| 22:04.21 | Grum | ckknight: imbalanced @ char 42 |
| 22:04.26 | art3mis | pets |
| 22:04.32 | NightHawkAtWork | http://xkcd.com/297/ |
| 22:04.33 | art3mis | kind of like mages who pull aggro |
| 22:04.45 | ckknight | Grum: it should be fine, actually |
| 22:04.48 | NightHawkAtWork | art3mis: s/who pull agro// |
| 22:04.53 | kergoth | Grum, with avoidance rank 2, a pet isnt that hard to keep up |
| 22:04.57 | art3mis | heh |
| 22:05.05 | art3mis | yeah i added the aggro part as an afterthought |
| 22:05.12 | NightHawkAtWork | it's really rather redundant. ;) |
| 22:05.14 | art3mis | cuz i've healed a mage once or twice on accident |
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| 22:05.21 | Grum | ckknight: just messing you .. didn't you see the magic number? ;D |
| 22:05.27 | ckknight | oh |
| 22:05.28 | ckknight | lol. |
| 22:05.34 | ckknight | alright, be back in a bit |
| 22:05.40 | NightHawkAtWork | "oh, i thought you were a shaman, you're both kinda blueish on my unitframes, my bad" |
| 22:05.42 | Grum | same here |
| 22:05.46 | Grum | i'm not gettign any work done |
| 22:06.35 | art3mis | hehe funny enough thats what i said ;P |
| 22:06.40 | art3mis | and todays xkcd is great |
| 22:06.55 | Grum | meh you make me look again |
| 22:07.47 | Grum | http://xkcd.com/208/ !!! ;D |
| 22:08.18 | Grum | gotto love that comic =D |
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| 22:10.03 | Funkeh` | God I missed steam. |
| 22:10.08 | Funkeh` | Fuck WoW. |
| 22:10.31 | Grum | *bye* |
| 22:10.33 | Hjalte | Anyone else having problems with latest Baggins? |
| 22:10.54 | Grum | it might help if you would describe what kind of problems you are having |
| 22:11.14 | Qaarh | Hjalte: I've had problems related to the duplicates setting |
| 22:11.30 | Grum | so people can immediately say: 'yes i have similar problems now' instead of going into a 'problem comparing discussion' :D |
| 22:11.40 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, i just found te problem with hide duplicates set to bag |
| 22:12.08 | Hjalte | Nargiddley and Qaarh, yeah, disabling hide dublicates solved the problem. I had it set to bag. |
| 22:12.11 | Kirkburn | Funkeh`, BioShock? |
| 22:12.37 | Kirkburn | For fear of becoming reptititititive, bioshock.wikia.com ;) |
| 22:12.47 | Funkeh` | lol Kirk |
| 22:12.47 | Qaarh | Nargiddley: I wish I could still use "bag" though, it was what I liked.. Now I've switched to the all-in-one layout and solved it that way.. but I liked my separate bags |
| 22:12.55 | Funkeh` | I could have guessed that would exist |
| 22:13.15 | Grum | Kirkburn: if you spam - atleast make it clickable |
| 22:13.16 | charon | Antiarc: ping? |
| 22:13.21 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r47363 10Baggins/ (Baggins-Options.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Remove optimization that broke Hide duplicates set to 'bag' |
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| 22:13.46 | Nargiddley | just have to figure out a way of optimizing it that doesnt break that setting :/ |
| 22:13.47 | Kirkburn | Grum, get a better client :P |
| 22:13.59 | Kirkburn | http://bioshock.wikia.com ... happy now? |
| 22:14.25 | Kirkburn | It's my lovechild |
| 22:14.36 | Kirkburn | A match made in ... Rapture |
| 22:14.47 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, will it be possible at some point to switch between the types of layout (seperate bags, all-in-one and so on) without deleting all your customization? |
| 22:15.01 | Grum | dude - linking your sexual escapades on a page and calling it a bioshock wiki ... that is .. mental |
| 22:15.11 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, not really |
| 22:15.25 | Nargiddley | since all they are is a set of bag/section configs |
| 22:16.01 | cncfanatics | meh, what is this bioshock shit about anyway ? |
| 22:16.03 | cncfanatics | never heard of it |
| 22:16.08 | cncfanatics | except on this chan |
| 22:16.17 | Hjalte | Hmm. I see. It just makes it impossible to try out other layouts :P |
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| 22:16.34 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, save your current setup |
| 22:16.43 | Grum | humz |
| 22:16.46 | art3mis | its a homo erotic online game |
| 22:16.49 | Nargiddley | I added user defined profiles that act exactly like the 3 built in |
| 22:17.28 | Grum | kk Kirkburn you got me downloading it now .. happy? |
| 22:17.38 | Nargiddley | and you can copy single bag setups from other profiles |
| 22:17.54 | Nargiddley | using the copy from button on the bag editor |
| 22:19.42 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, that sounds awfully complicated. But I'll try it out some day :) |
| 22:20.20 | NightHawkAtWork | Interesting... http://www.cnbc.com/id/20426036 |
| 22:20.35 | Kirkburn | Grum, yay |
| 22:20.49 | Kirkburn | I can't play BioShock, yet I'm in charge of the wiki, what fun |
| 22:21.06 | Kirkburn | cncfanatics, seriously? |
| 22:21.19 | Kirkburn | It's pretty much Game of the Year /everywhere/ |
| 22:21.32 | Kirkburn | The metacritic review was something like 9.5 last time I looked |
| 22:21.52 | Kirkburn | Pseudo-sequel to System Shock 2 |
| 22:22.33 | Kirkburn | Metacritic: PC - 96% average ... Xbox 360 - 97% average |
| 22:22.40 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, its not that complicated heh |
| 22:22.50 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, Save Profile, New, give it a name |
| 22:23.01 | Hjalte | I just found the profile buttons. Never noticed them before :) |
| 22:24.01 | cncfanatics | Kirkburn, yea |
| 22:24.02 | Nargiddley | I've just got my normal setup in there, since i have to try all sorts of things to test heh |
| 22:24.10 | cncfanatics | might download it then heh |
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| 22:25.23 | CIA-14 | LibStub |
| 22:25.23 | CIA-14 | - Small Fix |
| 22:25.23 | CIA-14 | - Readability Improvements |
| 22:26.41 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, I bet you know how enginventory looked back when it worked. Categories was kind of grouped in squares, but in a all-in-one manner. Would it be possible to add this to Baggins, for example with a setting deciding how many items before the line should break and go to a new line of items, if you understand me? |
| 22:26.52 | Grum | Kirkburn: you cant play it? |
| 22:26.58 | Grum | just download burn play? :( |
| 22:27.17 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, never used that one but i know the style of layout |
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| 22:27.55 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, the layouts always been my weakest point tho |
| 22:29.06 | Kirkburn | Grum, not got my own PC |
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| 22:29.16 | Kirkburn | Plus I'm at work |
| 22:29.34 | Hjalte | nargiddley, i would love to have the all-in-one sorted bag, but with the almost-square categories of the default baggins bag. It would make it much easier finding eg potions, because you would know they are always in the lower left corner or so. |
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| 22:31.32 | ckknight | woo |
| 22:31.34 | ckknight | successful wardriving attempt! |
| 22:31.36 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:32.13 | Hjalte | nargiddley, sort of like on this picture. You see how potions are in the corner. http://media5.curse-gaming.com/media/resized_images/750x500/7712.jpg :) |
| 22:32.53 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, i've just got no idea where to start getting a layout like that working :/ |
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| 22:33.41 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, well, neither do i :( |
| 22:37.00 | charon | meh... just got my 5th T4 piece... which would be great except i now have two helmets and no chest. ;) |
| 22:37.42 | Hjalte | nargiddley, what about using the default baggins layout as base, and then adding like a large square around all the bags, and then assigning the bags to places in this square, and in the end you fade out the bags, not the items, and you will have something like that layout >.< |
| 22:38.54 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, i was thinking something more like allowing bags to be 2 columns wide and then being able to set which column each section is in |
| 22:39.31 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, I don't think you should do what I said at least, it sounds confusing even to me. |
| 22:39.35 | Nargiddley | maybe even columns/rows |
| 22:39.58 | Nargiddley | would be a pain to config unless i got an edit mode working tho :/ |
| 22:40.20 | NightHawkAtWork | Nargiddley: that sounds a lot like the way ArkInventory and EngBags work |
| 22:40.21 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, your idea could work. It would certainly improve some of the "Gosh, where the heck are my potions?!" trouble I'm having :) |
| 22:40.39 | NightHawkAtWork | where your bag is just a "grid" of places for item categoreis to go |
| 22:41.07 | Nargiddley | NightHawkAtWork, yeah but they've got some resizing going on |
| 22:41.22 | NightHawkAtWork | Hjalte: maybe a more direct solution for you, I found that creating an entire bag in Baggins just for consumables helped that a lot, plus using AutoRack for potions is really hawt. :) |
| 22:41.39 | NightHawkAtWork | Nargiddley: Yeah. And, to be sure, I'm not really a fan of that layout method. |
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| 22:42.51 | Hjalte | NightHawkAtWork, I tried using autobar, but never really got used to it. I was still opening my bag just to find potions. Creating a seperate bag wouldnt help much, as I already have quite a structure on my bags. But it irritates me that my potions move around, depending on the amount of items i have in my bags. |
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| 22:43.24 | Xinhuan | auto sorting bags are annoying ;p |
| 22:43.41 | Xinhuan | i would rather stuff stay where i last put them ;p |
| 22:43.51 | NightHawkAtWork | Hjalte: I think you should try making a separate bag in baggins for consumables. :) Bags don't move around the way sections do. |
| 22:44.22 | NightHawkAtWork | Unless you're carrying around half your inventory in consumables, they'll probably always be in the same spot on your screen when you pop open your bags, if you do it right. |
| 22:45.10 | NightHawkAtWork | Xinhuan: I don't want to have to go through the work of putting them anywhere, so i like auto-sorting bags for that reason ;) |
| 22:45.14 | Yssaril | which one is better in your guyses opinion baggins or arkinventory? |
| 22:45.28 | NightHawkAtWork | I prefer baggins, personally. |
| 22:45.31 | Xinhuan | well that's both the advantage and the disadvantage |
| 22:45.36 | Hjalte | NightHawkAtWork, I do have a bag for consumables, and it does move around :( if I'm not having a lot of quest items eg, it will be in the upper right hand side of the screen, but if some of my other virtual bags are full, it might move to the lower middle part of the screen because of the layout bounds i've set |
| 22:45.36 | Xinhuan | you can't have one without the other - usually |
| 22:45.53 | Hjalte | Yssaril, I also prefer Baggins. |
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| 22:46.00 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS |
| 22:46.00 | CIA-14 | - Fixed documentation |
| 22:46.06 | NightHawkAtWork | Hjalte: o_0 what res do you run at? or what kind of wacky layout do you have? :P |
| 22:46.11 | Yssaril | alright what makes baggins better than ark in your guyses opinion? |
| 22:46.34 | Hjalte | NightHawkAtWork, Umm, are you always able to stack all your bags on top of each other? |
| 22:46.46 | NightHawkAtWork | Yssaril: vasltly more powerful tools for classifying items. |
| 22:46.49 | Hjalte | Yssaril, better configuration options, but its been a while since i tried ark. |
| 22:47.26 | Yssaril | how fast does it respond to change? ark lagges up a bit when i have the bags open and add/remove stuff |
| 22:47.31 | NightHawkAtWork | Hjalte: no, but my baggins setup only has 3 separate bags, and even with my inventory full and all of them open, they don't take up that much of my screen, and pretty much are always in the same spot |
| 22:48.02 | NightHawkAtWork | (with some vertical shifting, obviously, but nothing major) |
| 22:48.02 | Nargiddley | Yssaril, I dont notice lag at all using it |
| 22:48.23 | Yssaril | guess its time for me to try baggins :) |
| 22:48.33 | NightHawkAtWork | Yeah, I don't realy notice any lag |
| 22:48.36 | kergoth | Hjalte, tried arkinventory? it's knida like enginventory in layout |
| 22:48.46 | Hjalte | NightHawkAtWork, I have 5 bags, and sometimes 4 can be on the right part of the screen and 1 next to them, and sometimes 3 on the right part and 2 next to them, if you understand. |
| 22:49.02 | Hjalte | Kergoth, I'm in love with my baggins_closetgnome :( |
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| 22:49.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:49.24 | Nargiddley | ark uses so much memory for no good reason |
| 22:49.42 | NightHawkAtWork | Hjalte: yeah, I think I do. *shrug* don't know what to say. You could try moving your consumable bag so it's always the "bottom right" one, or whatever, depending on your setup and does't move around as much? |
| 22:50.09 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, baggins_<insert various accesory addons here> are neat. |
| 22:50.35 | Yssaril | does baggins give your the ability to view your alts stuff? |
| 22:50.39 | Hjalte | If I moved it to that location, I guess you're right in that it wouldnt shift around, but it's not *just* a problem with potions really .) |
| 22:50.42 | Hjalte | :)* |
| 22:51.00 | Nargiddley | Yssaril, theres Baggins_AnywhereBags. Its not a view in bags like ark tho |
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| 22:51.06 | NightHawkAtWork | Hjalte: well, *shrug* :) |
| 22:51.10 | kergoth | Nargiddley, the current version uses like 2.3 megs.. not much more than baggins |
| 22:51.22 | Yssaril | kk |
| 22:51.33 | Nargiddley | kergoth, last time i looked some of the code was cringe worthy for wasting memory |
| 22:51.34 | NightHawkAtWork | Yssaril: I personally use Sanity2 for viewing alt/bank stuff |
| 22:51.51 | kergoth | sanity2 is nice indeed.. though it dislikes me lately |
| 22:51.55 | Hjalte | My baggins uses 573 kb, without libs |
| 22:52.10 | NightHawkAtWork | kergoth: well it's not alone..er. i mean.. uh... ;) |
| 22:52.17 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, a lib is taking the mem hit then |
| 22:52.17 | Yssaril | so sanity2 + baggins seams to be a good combination? |
| 22:52.32 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, 2-3mb would be normal for Baggins, and Ark at startup |
| 22:52.33 | NightHawkAtWork | Yeah, its nice. |
| 22:52.41 | Nargiddley | Ark grows tho |
| 22:52.46 | NightHawkAtWork | ALthough, some nice integration between sanity2's tags and baggins sections would be sex. |
| 22:53.04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:53.22 | NightHawkAtWork | hm.. yeah, thinking about that, that'd be so totally hot. |
| 22:53.29 | Hjalte | I've got Sanity2 installed, but only for the nice feature of being able to see who of my chars have what items in the tooltip. |
| 22:53.32 | NightHawkAtWork | Nargiddley: .. request! :D |
| 22:56.57 | Nargiddley | yep he still has a helper function to access options that takes a table as an argument created on every call |
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| 22:57.20 | kergoth | Hjalte, yeah thats a great feature |
| 22:57.24 | Nargiddley | thats the kind of thing causing it to use way too much memory over time |
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| 22:58.23 | CIA-14 | LibStub: LS |
| 22:58.23 | CIA-14 | - Changed GetInstance to GetLibrary |
| 22:58.23 | CIA-14 | - Tweaks |
| 22:59.24 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, Is there any way that i can just "add" categories to the all-in-one bag from my other layout, instead of at the same time deleting all the existing one? |
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| 22:59.45 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, not atm |
| 23:00.10 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, I was thinking of that when you mentioned moving to all in one |
| 23:01.10 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, yeah, because right now, it doesnt look like i can copy my layout then, seeing as it consists of 5 bags and i delete everything each time i copy one. |
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| 23:06.39 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, working on it now |
| 23:08.35 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 23:08.40 | cncfanatics | how would I get a macro's cooldown ? |
| 23:08.44 | cncfanatics | any function for that ? |
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| 23:10.28 | Xinhuan | don't think so |
| 23:10.33 | Xinhuan | you'll have to parse the macrotext |
| 23:10.41 | Xinhuan | to find out the spell/item |
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| 23:11.10 | cncfanatics | sigh, blizzard does it internally, in C |
| 23:11.10 | cncfanatics | sucks |
| 23:11.17 | cncfanatics | WTB access to the C function that does it |
| 23:11.26 | Xinhuan | you can request an API |
| 23:11.30 | ckknight | there we go |
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| 23:11.32 | cncfanatics | cant post on US forums :p |
| 23:11.37 | cncfanatics | welcome back ckknight |
| 23:11.42 | CIA-14 | 03nargiddley * r47367 10Baggins/ (Baggins-Options.lua Baggins-enUS.lua): Baggins: Add Import Sections From to Bag editor |
| 23:11.45 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, mind requesting that for meh if ur US ? :p |
| 23:11.45 | Nargiddley | Hjalte, try that :D |
| 23:11.50 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 23:11.57 | Xinhuan | write something i can copy/paste repost then |
| 23:12.00 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, I'll try it out :) |
| 23:12.41 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I actualy have plenty of stuff to tell to slouken |
| 23:12.42 | cncfanatics | let me get it all |
| 23:13.03 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 23:13.10 | Xinhuan | bet he wont' read past 1 suggestion per post |
| 23:14.23 | cncfanatics | lol |
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| 23:14.30 | cncfanatics | its a reply on one of his replies |
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| 23:16.33 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/72702 think its clear enough Xinhuan ? he tends to be picky about understanding stuff |
| 23:16.43 | cncfanatics | and my english aint the best |
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| 23:16.59 | Xinhuan | i'll read it after i do this instance |
| 23:17.09 | Hjalte | Nargiddley, that worked great. Thanks :) |
| 23:20.06 | NeoTron | so as it turns out, Karathress gets a mini-enrage if he goes below 80% health while an add is up |
| 23:20.20 | NeoTron | explains our suddent "omfg what's happening to the raid" experience this week |
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| 23:22.03 | cncfanatics | NeoTron, its actualy worse if more then an add is up |
| 23:22.12 | cncfanatics | probably multiplied by the amount of adds currently up |
| 23:22.12 | ckknight___ | :-P |
| 23:22.31 | cncfanatics | ckknight, is it fun dc'ing ? |
| 23:22.38 | ckknight___ | cncfanatics: wardriving |
| 23:23.12 | ckknight | it's interesting |
| 23:23.30 | NeoTron | was it always like that? cause I know of guilds that didn't kill the priest add at all |
| 23:23.34 | NeoTron | at least claimed not to |
| 23:23.47 | NeoTron | no boss guides seems to mention it |
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| 23:25.38 | NeoTron | so blizzard are adding two raid instances and a 5-man to BE lands, deep in horde territory |
| 23:25.45 | NeoTron | fun to travel there for alliance |
| 23:26.13 | ckknight | ugh, true |
| 23:28.12 | cncfanatics | not really |
| 23:28.13 | Hjalte | Raids are for losers... And guilded people :( |
| 23:28.15 | Arrowmaster | 2 raids and a 5man? wheres this info from? |
| 23:28.21 | cncfanatics | "deep into horde territory" its just above wpl come on |
| 23:28.34 | cncfanatics | seriously, there's 2 horde zones there, both lowbie |
| 23:29.45 | NeoTron | ok so not only is the blue dragonflight going to combat mortal races - the red dragonflight is going to help the mortal races against the blue dragonflight |
| 23:29.48 | NeoTron | lollore ftw |
| 23:30.14 | NeoTron | cncfanatics: both a pain to get to |
| 23:30.22 | nevcairiel | alexstraza fighting malygos? |
| 23:30.24 | Gnarfoz | lol, the first unlocked iPhone is at $25 mil. already (on ebay) -.- |
| 23:30.25 | NeoTron | horde just fricking teleport from the already close undercity |
| 23:30.27 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: no more a pain than strath i'd imagine. |
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| 23:30.43 | NeoTron | "Dalaran travels to Northrend to combat the Blue Flight, and the Red Dragonflight - keeping Alexstrasza's promise to Rhonin after the events of Day of the Dragon - has stepped up to defend the mortals from their cousins' crusade against spellcasters." |
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| 23:30.54 | Kaelten | http://jira.wowace.com/browse/LS-9 |
| 23:31.01 | Kaelten | feedback wanted |
| 23:31.03 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: kind of like all of BRM was a short hop from IF? it's gone both ways in the past. |
| 23:31.04 | calvin_ | is there anything that would cause my threatlib to not send data yet receive it fine? |
| 23:31.11 | Culation | NeoTron, quote from where? |
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| 23:31.31 | NeoTron | WoW Lore Panel, from Chris Metzen |
| 23:31.37 | NeoTron | quoted on wow wiki |
| 23:32.40 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 23:32.54 | calvin_ | Tanks not registering on Omen ha a few posts in the "Omen - Bug Reports and Suggestions" thread |
| 23:32.59 | calvin_ | exact same symptoms as mine |
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| 23:33.25 | CIA-14 | BigWigs: (Maiden) |
| 23:33.25 | CIA-14 | - frFR typo fix "suceptible" => "susceptible" |
| 23:33.25 | CIA-14 | - Change repentance_message in frFR so it's more obvious that 33 seconds is the _minimum_ time between two consecutive 'Repentance'. |
| 23:33.49 | calvin_ | "I remmeber reading in the old KTM docs that it couldn't detect threat from macros well" ny truth to that? |
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| 23:34.04 | calvin_ | I'm guessing it shouldnt affect it... |
| 23:34.14 | ulic | calvin_: that doesn't make sense to me. |
| 23:34.25 | Kody- | For those curious, I posted some details of our interview with Tigole today in Leipzig: http://news.curse.com/details/2840/ video coming soon with the entire interview :) |
| 23:34.40 | Shirik | calvin_: That's a pile of crap |
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| 23:34.55 | calvin_ | ulic, Im just trying to figure out why I dont show threat to the other sin my raids |
| 23:35.03 | calvin_ | Shirik, rgr that |
| 23:35.27 | Shirik | calvin_: Are you (and they) using a recent version of KTM? |
| 23:35.29 | calvin_ | This thread (http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6419.600) has 4-5 posts from people with same issue if it helps |
| 23:35.30 | Shirik | ( /ktm v q) |
| 23:35.40 | kenlyric | if "leveling curse" is a typo, I like it anyway :) |
| 23:35.51 | calvin_ | Basically as MT If they MD to me that shows, but none of my abilities show up... 0 TPS |
| 23:35.51 | cncfanatics | I REALLY wrote too much comments today |
| 23:35.52 | CIA-14 | 03cncfanatics * r47369 10FlexBar2/ (7 files in 7 dirs): |
| 23:35.52 | CIA-14 | FlexBar2: |
| 23:35.52 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.52 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.52 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.14 | calvin_ | Shirik, none are, all 100% updated |
| 23:36.25 | kergoth | ckknight, why does parrot say "Survival Tree ready!" when my talent tree dosent have cooldowns? :P |
| 23:36.32 | calvin_ | Ive tried ONLY threatlib, violation, and Omen... all the same |
| 23:36.32 | Shirik | You're all using the exact same version, yet you're the only one who can't track threat? |
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| 23:36.41 | calvin_ | I see threat fine, none in the raid see me |
| 23:36.42 | NightHawkAtWork | kergoth: it's telling you to spec survival, obviously |
| 23:36.44 | cncfanatics | g'night, now all my code is commented i'm out |
| 23:36.54 | Shirik | It sounds like an addon is messing with SendAddonMessage to me |
| 23:36.56 | cncfanatics | neeed sleeeep |
| 23:37.00 | NightHawkAtWork | it's like "I'm ready! I'm lonely! no hunters spec me! pleeeeease!?!" |
| 23:37.04 | calvin_ | Shirik, any advice Im all ears |
| 23:37.04 | Shirik | hooking it, destroying it, something |
| 23:37.05 | *** part/#wowace cncfanatics (i=evolve@99.16-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 23:37.10 | ckknight_ | sleep is for the weak, cncfanatics |
| 23:37.13 | Shirik | I would recommend disabling other addons |
| 23:37.14 | Shirik | (not KTM) |
| 23:37.20 | Shirik | in fact, disable all of them except KTM |
| 23:37.21 | Shirik | and try |
| 23:37.24 | calvin_ | Shirik, tonight Im ONLY running omen and bartender, to see what happens |
| 23:37.31 | Shirik | or omen |
| 23:37.42 | calvin_ | will do |
| 23:37.56 | Shirik | given that you have the same problem across multiple addons, it only makes sense that some other addon is being a moron and destroying SendAddonMessage or something similar |
| 23:38.04 | *** join/#wowace JoshBork2 (n=Joshua@adsl-219-66-157.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:38.13 | calvin_ | Shirik, Ive used all my kungfu on this prob my friend |
| 23:38.18 | calvin_ | I appreciate the help |
| 23:38.31 | Shirik | no problem |
| 23:38.47 | calvin_ | Any way to predict which it could be? |
| 23:38.51 | calvin_ | Or to test/check? |
| 23:39.16 | *** join/#wowace yoshimo (n=attumen@p5B0C0667.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:39.19 | Shirik | not easily |
| 23:39.22 | calvin_ | Ok |
| 23:39.29 | Shirik | you... might get some kind of advice by doing this |
| 23:39.37 | Shirik | try /print issecurevariable("SendAddonMessage") |
| 23:39.42 | Shirik | tell me all returns |
| 23:41.09 | calvin_ | "Ash_Core" |
| 23:41.27 | calvin_ | "nil, Ash_Core" |
| 23:41.29 | Shirik | that's preceeded by nil |
| 23:41.30 | Shirik | ya |
| 23:41.34 | Shirik | that may be some advice |
| 23:41.39 | Shirik | do you have an addon named Ash_Core? |
| 23:41.45 | calvin_ | Dotimer, yes |
| 23:41.47 | Shirik | (or a package which includes it) |
| 23:41.51 | Shirik | that is your likely culprit |
| 23:41.57 | calvin_ | Ill try disabling it |
| 23:42.04 | Shirik | we know for sure that that addon is hooking SendAddonMessage |
| 23:42.12 | Shirik | if it does it incorrectly, it could break it |
| 23:42.17 | Shirik | meaning you ain't gonna be sending any messages |
| 23:42.23 | Shirik | by the way... WHY THE HELL would you hook that |
| 23:42.32 | Shirik | I want to beat someone over the head with a stick now |
| 23:43.18 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 23:43.30 | yoshimo | i use viewaddonmessages and wonder which addon uses the [2]identifier, does somebody know it, or how i get it? |
| 23:43.42 | JoshBork2 | no |
| 23:43.51 | JoshBork2 | you can't control what mods are sending things to you |
| 23:43.57 | Shirik | JoshBork2: Why the jack are there so many of you |
| 23:44.03 | JoshBork2 | shirik: shitty DSL |
| 23:44.05 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:44.10 | calvin_ | "1, nil" now |
| 23:44.15 | Shirik | calvin_: That's a good sign |
| 23:44.18 | *** join/#wowace resker (n=fefsd@pool-72-95-150-26.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:44.30 | Arrowmaster | yoshimo: its pobably cartographer guildpositions |
| 23:44.31 | Shirik | it means no addons are hooking it; it is exactly as it has been supplied by Blizzard |
| 23:44.37 | calvin_ | Shirik, rgr and thx again... I'll update you bud if it works |
| 23:44.44 | calvin_ | Shirik, roger |
| 23:44.44 | Shirik | no problem |
| 23:44.52 | JoshBork2 | shirik: i've gotten up to 4 or 5 once |
| 23:45.03 | Shirik | too much yellow text T_T |
| 23:45.10 | NightHawkAtWork | Shirik: woo! |
| 23:45.13 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 23:45.14 | pastamancer | Shirik Shirik Shirik |
| 23:45.16 | Shirik | I hate you all |
| 23:45.21 | NightHawkAtWork | Shirik: thats okay, we love you. |
| 23:45.23 | JoshBork2 | purl, repeat after me |
| 23:45.27 | JoshBork2 | shirik |
| 23:45.27 | Shirik | why the hell is my phone ringing now |
| 23:45.33 | ckknight | hey Shirik |
| 23:45.38 | pastamancer | the call is coming from inside the house! |
| 23:45.42 | ckknight | I got a question, Shirik |
| 23:45.47 | JoshBork2 | me too shirik |
| 23:45.48 | ckknight | how's the name Shirik treating you? |
| 23:47.01 | NightHawkAtWork | Shirik|QQing: fun fact, with tab complete, you really only need to type the first two to three letterse of a name to ping it. :) |
| 23:47.25 | ckknight | NightHawkAtWork's right, Shirik|QQing |
| 23:49.58 | *** join/#wowace resker (n=fefsd@pool-72-95-150-26.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:52.20 | Shirik|QQing | oh I shall get you all back |
| 23:52.57 | NeoTron | hmm what's all this Shirik stuff all about? |
| 23:52.57 | Shirik | ~lart NeoTron |
| 23:52.57 | purl | flings poo at NeoTron |
| 23:53.06 | kenlyric | don't forget those annoying fuckers with cracy chars in front of their names, just because they're whores and want to be at the top of the name list. |
| 23:53.07 | NeoTron | wow speedy |
| 23:53.14 | NeoTron | ~fishslap Shirik |
| 23:53.15 | purl | ACTION slaps Shirik up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:53.15 | Shirik | ~lart NeoTron |
| 23:53.15 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, NeoTron!" and lops off NeoTron's head |
| 23:53.28 | Shirik | I feel better now |
| 23:53.37 | NeoTron | lol autoresponder ay Shirik ? |
| 23:53.37 | Shirik | ~lart NeoTron |
| 23:53.37 | purl | beats NeoTron to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 23:53.47 | Fanagon | I got some ace2 addons, and now my normal WoW-quest-tracking at the right border is disabled, instead i have a questtracking in the top left corner and I almost see anything there.. does sb know which addon this is? |
| 23:54.13 | NeoTron|Shirik | Shirik: does this trigger on purl now? |
| 23:54.13 | Shirik | ~lart NeoTron|Shirik |
| 23:54.13 | purl | gives NeoTron|Shirik a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 23:54.16 | charon | Fanagon: FuBar_QuestsFu? |
| 23:54.26 | Shirik | hm, interesting |
| 23:54.31 | Shirik | I would have thought it did |
| 23:54.35 | Shirik | oh right, I know why |
| 23:54.40 | Shirik | because that's not chat |
| 23:55.35 | Fanagon | charon: i don't have any of these common ace addons running :) i only have ora2, violation and such things, and with /ace2 list ace2 i cant find any addon with "quest" in its name.. |
| 23:55.41 | Shirik | purl, say Hi Shirik |
| 23:55.42 | purl | Hi Shirik |
| 23:55.45 | Shirik | there we go |
| 23:59.01 | alb- | might be simpleminimap Fanagon |
