| 00:00.08 | Xinhuan | there really isn't anywayaround that other than to write an addon that hooks onto that frame then |
| 00:00.28 | Pkekyo | Xinhuan: which would be Errormonster? |
| 00:00.33 | NightHawkAtWork | yes |
| 00:00.42 | Xinhuan | which doesn't work for you :) |
| 00:00.47 | Pkekyo | indeed |
| 00:00.54 | Kreiger | You guys are all UI fiends, right? |
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| 00:01.01 | NightHawkAtWork | it probably doesn't work because you're doing something wrong, or you have an addon that's grieviously conflicting :P |
| 00:01.12 | NightHawkAtWork | I'm just a fiend in general, you should see my tail. |
| 00:01.16 | Kreiger | hehe |
| 00:01.21 | Pkekyo | NightHawkAtWork: can't see what possibly I could do wrong with errormonster? |
| 00:01.26 | Kreiger | you guys mind taking a look at my ui and letting me know what you think? |
| 00:01.42 | Pkekyo | more linkin' less talkin' |
| 00:01.45 | Kreiger | http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot090507195009zi4.jpg |
| 00:01.49 | NightHawkAtWork | Pkekyo: well, I'm not going to debug it for you, but I |
| 00:01.58 | NightHawkAtWork | I'm always skeptical when people say "it doesn't work for me" |
| 00:02.07 | Kreiger | the empty spaces are for pots/profs |
| 00:02.11 | Kreiger | depending on which empty space |
| 00:02.15 | Pkekyo | meh, that doesn't really have the same ring to it as 'more tanking, less wanking' :< |
| 00:02.20 | NightHawkAtWork | 99.9% of the time, it's because it's something they did wrong, or is messed up and findable/fixable |
| 00:03.07 | Pkekyo | NightHawkAtWork: only thing I've done is to unzip the addon into my addons folder...done it several times, also deleted relevant \WTF\ files and such |
| 00:03.13 | NightHawkAtWork | Kreiger: less minimap buttons. |
| 00:03.24 | Pkekyo | optimally, NO minimap buttons |
| 00:03.31 | Pkekyo | get rid of that fugly night/day icon |
| 00:03.32 | NightHawkAtWork | ^^ |
| 00:03.47 | Mudkips | like you need an icon to tell if its night and day |
| 00:03.50 | Mudkips | redundancy ftw |
| 00:03.51 | Pkekyo | and that battlemap or whatever ought to go |
| 00:03.56 | NightHawkAtWork | Mudkips: like it matters if it's night and day? |
| 00:04.01 | Mudkips | ^ that too |
| 00:04.04 | Kreiger | Pkek, it comes on for me when i'm in Nagrand |
| 00:04.07 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: I need one...but can't be arsed to keep it 'cause it's fugly :p |
| 00:04.09 | Kreiger | i don't mind it. |
| 00:04.13 | Mudkips | maybe Blizz needs to add night and day mechanics to expansion? |
| 00:04.20 | Mudkips | ooo *wink wink* |
| 00:04.23 | NightHawkAtWork | that would be awesome |
| 00:04.28 | Kreiger | The night.day is cause i don't have a clock on any other of my mods |
| 00:04.39 | Pkekyo | I only have seen from top to right below minimap level of your screenie yet :> |
| 00:04.42 | NightHawkAtWork | Kreiger: clockfu |
| 00:04.47 | Mudkips | clockfu !yes |
| 00:04.49 | NightHawkAtWork | orwhatever the fubar clock plugin is called |
| 00:04.50 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: night/day mechanics? |
| 00:05.04 | NightHawkAtWork | Pkekyo: basicaly an actual in-game effect that changes based on time of day |
| 00:05.17 | Mudkips | ya like different mobs? |
| 00:05.19 | Mudkips | look at FFXI |
| 00:05.22 | Pkekyo | I thought lighting changed due to night/day allready? |
| 00:05.23 | Mudkips | you get mean stronger mobs at night |
| 00:05.35 | NightHawkAtWork | Pkekyo: something that influences mechanics :P |
| 00:05.42 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: use the same bar textures on ALL bars |
| 00:05.49 | Pkekyo | ah |
| 00:05.56 | Pkekyo | more hands-on kinda stuff..? |
| 00:05.59 | Saladin | Does anyone know where I can get oChat? |
| 00:06.04 | Kreiger | Pkekyo, i thought i did.. what'd i miss? |
| 00:06.19 | Pkekyo | group health/mana frames |
| 00:06.23 | Kreiger | and if you mention the assessment.. |
| 00:06.34 | Kreiger | You really are anal. jeez |
| 00:06.34 | Kreiger | ok. |
| 00:06.39 | Kreiger | <3 |
| 00:06.59 | Mudkips | I wouldn't call it anal |
| 00:07.02 | Pkekyo | and get rid of the 100% black frames...transparency = win |
| 00:07.14 | NightHawkAtWork | I don't like transparency on my chat frames.. |
| 00:07.19 | Mudkips | I would call it an overall theme :) |
| 00:07.37 | Pkekyo | mine don't have a bgcolor at all :> |
| 00:07.42 | Mudkips | yeah transparency = I can't see shit |
| 00:07.46 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: refering to what? |
| 00:07.52 | Mudkips | or read that is |
| 00:08.16 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: honestly, what the hell do you really need that micromenu for? |
| 00:08.22 | Mudkips | someone said to use the same texture on all bars |
| 00:08.26 | Pkekyo | it's fugly |
| 00:08.29 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: I did :> |
| 00:08.40 | Mudkips | Pkekyo, to report people in AV? olol |
| 00:08.54 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: also: don't run with transparency on -some- of the frames...all or nothing |
| 00:08.54 | Mudkips | I don't remember the last time I used micromenu |
| 00:08.54 | NightHawkAtWork | Mudkips: "/gm" |
| 00:09.06 | Mudkips | no wai... |
| 00:09.08 | Mudkips | really? |
| 00:09.14 | NightHawkAtWork | its part of aceconsole |
| 00:09.14 | Pkekyo | I haven't had my micromenu visible for two years |
| 00:09.19 | Mudkips | oh shit |
| 00:09.20 | vithos | oh. |
| 00:09.36 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: what bar addon are you using? |
| 00:09.38 | NightHawkAtWork | which you have if you have, well, any ace2 mod. |
| 00:10.22 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: I'd also suggest using UIscale |
| 00:10.26 | Garoun|Loupana | bah skinner shifted my first bag up 2 units in BT3 |
| 00:10.36 | Pkekyo | and change the bar texture of Ebb |
| 00:10.59 | Kreiger | bar addon? infinibar |
| 00:11.02 | Pkekyo | now I'm gonna stop bashing your UI and go to sleep :> |
| 00:11.02 | Pkekyo | g'nite all /wavies |
| 00:11.06 | Kreiger | no, wait. |
| 00:11.08 | Kreiger | i'm listening |
| 00:11.09 | Kreiger | haha |
| 00:11.14 | Kreiger | i was fixing the textures |
| 00:11.15 | Mudkips | oh yes, ui-scale pleeease |
| 00:11.24 | Kreiger | ui-scale does what now? |
| 00:11.29 | Mudkips | scales your ui |
| 00:11.37 | Mudkips | so it doesn't look HUEG LIEK XBOX |
| 00:11.38 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: damn you! that was my line! |
| 00:12.02 | Pkekyo | I've been using .64 UI scale 'for ever' |
| 00:12.04 | Mudkips | more screen space to spot them hot elves in shatt |
| 00:12.07 | Kreiger | Actually, i have the camera zoomed in so i can see my toon better. i took the SS for a "show your toon" post |
| 00:12.29 | Kreiger | I usually zoom it out considerably. |
| 00:12.35 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: if so: l2 alt+z |
| 00:12.43 | Kreiger | Also, if i have my chat windows transparent, i can't always read the text |
| 00:12.54 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: change chat colors :p |
| 00:12.56 | Kreiger | Pkekyo, i do that for the Netherwing races. hehe. i forgot to for this |
| 00:13.17 | Mudkips | dude! |
| 00:13.19 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: make yourself a bank/AH alt and only load auctioneer for that_specific_char |
| 00:13.23 | Mudkips | netherwing races drove me crazy |
| 00:13.29 | art3mis | id like to know how exactly an addon that just lets you colour a frame is called skinner |
| 00:13.30 | Mudkips | that last guy was freakin impossible |
| 00:13.42 | Mudkips | took me at leat 15 + tries |
| 00:13.48 | art3mis | stupid useless piece of shit cant even specify a friggin texture |
| 00:14.00 | Mudkips | least* |
| 00:14.01 | Kreiger | why? |
| 00:14.10 | Kreiger | Mudkips, i'm still on mulv |
| 00:14.18 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: why what? |
| 00:14.26 | Kreiger | why only loa auctioneer on the bank alt? |
| 00:14.36 | Kreiger | i like to know the AH prices of items |
| 00:14.36 | Pkekyo | because auctioneer is a memory hog |
| 00:14.47 | Kreiger | Would that affect draw distance, btw? |
| 00:15.02 | Kreiger | cause seeing peons on netherwing ledge piss me the fuck off, cause they never appear |
| 00:15.09 | Pkekyo | your memory is running high compared to the addons I know you've got running |
| 00:15.21 | Mudkips | Kreiger, you'll see |
| 00:15.39 | Saladin | where can I get oChat again? |
| 00:15.39 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: honestly, do you need to remind yourself that you're a tauren warrior all the time? (unitframes) :p |
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| 00:15.50 | Pkekyo | Saladin: files.wowace? |
| 00:15.54 | NightHawkAtWork | Mudkips: the races piss me off because my framerate sucks and it throws me off >< |
| 00:16.19 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: get autobar! |
| 00:16.20 | NightHawkAtWork | Pkekyo: you have no idea how often I forget what level I am on non 70 characters ;) |
| 00:16.26 | Kreiger | Autobar? |
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| 00:16.31 | Saladin | Pkekyo: couldn't find it there |
| 00:16.48 | Pkekyo | NightHawkAtWork: I said race/class, not level :> |
| 00:16.50 | Kreiger | I turned off auctioneer. running at.. 49.9 |
| 00:16.54 | Mudkips | NightHawkAtWork, well as a druid doing the last challenge of the netherwing race |
| 00:16.58 | Mudkips | I would say it is HARD |
| 00:17.03 | Mudkips | even for a cheating druid |
| 00:17.13 | NightHawkAtWork | Mudkips: why is a druid necessarily harder than anyone else? |
| 00:17.15 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: bar that keeps your consumables/usables/mounts etc at the ready without using actionbar buttons |
| 00:17.22 | NightHawkAtWork | or easier, for that matter? |
| 00:17.35 | Mudkips | the races were easier because druids can flight form mid air |
| 00:17.43 | Morghus | Druids can shift back into form. |
| 00:17.46 | NightHawkAtWork | ahh |
| 00:17.49 | NightHawkAtWork | fair enough |
| 00:17.51 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: that would also allow for you to get rid of zeh fugly trinketmenu :> |
| 00:18.00 | Morghus | All but the last one was laughably easy :) |
| 00:18.13 | Pkekyo | also: wtb your shoulders and shield plx |
| 00:18.14 | Mikk | ermwha? autobar can do trinkets? |
| 00:18.27 | Pkekyo | Mikk: yes it can |
| 00:18.28 | Mudkips | I use itemrack |
| 00:18.30 | Kreiger | Pkek. hehe. my shoulders. you can have'em. i want t4. |
| 00:18.35 | Mikk | dho |
| 00:18.36 | Mudkips | that's my gear / trinket mod |
| 00:18.43 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: same, but they're not available for me |
| 00:18.45 | Kreiger | I actually have 2 of of them. |
| 00:18.50 | Kreiger | 2 of these shoulders |
| 00:18.54 | Pkekyo | W T B |
| 00:19.10 | Pkekyo | also: damn you for having enough gold for mongoose ;> |
| 00:19.11 | Kreiger | one with the exalted tanking ench, one with the crit one. |
| 00:19.19 | Kreiger | haha. one sec, lemme show you something |
| 00:19.45 | Pkekyo | if it's another pic, forget it...too long loading times for me atm :< |
| 00:20.49 | Mudkips | my loading times are too long as well |
| 00:21.01 | Mudkips | my bar hits full but it doesn't load for another 20 seconds |
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| 00:21.10 | Pkekyo | I'm downloading 45 days (ETA) worth of torrents :p |
| 00:21.14 | Kreiger | lol |
| 00:21.18 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: we're talking about completely different things :> |
| 00:21.21 | Mudkips | after all that, the models in game doesn't load immediately |
| 00:21.21 | Kreiger | ok, well, i have mongoose on my SE and my KD> |
| 00:21.27 | Mudkips | oh |
| 00:21.38 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: I has both...not a single enchant on them :< |
| 00:21.48 | Kreiger | i'm gonna drop it on a fools bane soon once i get another essence |
| 00:22.09 | Pkekyo | guild is using all the shards for spellsurge enchants for all casters >.< |
| 00:22.16 | Kreiger | you MT? |
| 00:22.33 | Kreiger | autobar is a REPLACEMENT for infinibar? |
| 00:22.43 | Pkekyo | MT, aye |
| 00:22.56 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: not if infinibar are replacements for the default actionbars |
| 00:23.21 | Pkekyo | also, I'd suggest bartender+cycircled for less fuglyness instead of infinibar :> |
| 00:23.51 | Kreiger | I was actually using bartender. |
| 00:24.01 | Kreiger | my GM suggested infinibar or more control. |
| 00:24.09 | art3mis | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2941.1460 |
| 00:24.14 | vithos | more control in what way? |
| 00:24.29 | Pkekyo | more control of what? |
| 00:24.40 | Kreiger | If i hit alt, the top left bar switches to an alternet set of buttons, which ALSO change depending on stance |
| 00:24.54 | Mudkips | bartender can do that |
| 00:24.56 | Kreiger | So my alt buttons for def/fury/battle change as well. that was nice. |
| 00:25.19 | Pkekyo | something tells me you've got more actionbuttons than can possibly be healthy for you |
| 00:25.23 | Kreiger | Never tried cycircled. |
| 00:25.32 | Mudkips | cycircled vol my fave |
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| 00:26.14 | Kreiger | The only things i actually CLICK are consumables/mount/ heavy cooldown things |
| 00:26.19 | Kreiger | Shieldwall, for instance, i click. |
| 00:26.31 | Pkekyo | cycircled is just a skinning mod for bartender |
| 00:26.33 | Mudkips | I love spellbinder |
| 00:26.35 | Pkekyo | - and autobar |
| 00:26.45 | Mudkips | binds for anything |
| 00:27.02 | Kreiger | Yeah. i know.. hmm. lemme try. right now i'm trying to find out where my memory is going. i have 49.9 used without auctioneer |
| 00:27.31 | Kreiger | ENHtooltip is using 11 megs.. wtf is that. |
| 00:27.37 | vithos | auctioneer. |
| 00:27.37 | Mudkips | auctioneer |
| 00:27.39 | Mudkips | lmao |
| 00:27.52 | Kreiger | I turned it off! |
| 00:28.04 | Pkekyo | Kreiger: exactly what addons are you running? |
| 00:28.05 | Mudkips | its on even if auctioneer isn't loaded |
| 00:28.22 | Kreiger | ok. so i need to turn that shit off. |
| 00:28.30 | Diao | your enhtooltip is bugged then |
| 00:28.37 | Diao | mine doesn't even use 500kb |
| 00:28.46 | Xinhuan | enhtooltip generates a lot of garbage on UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED |
| 00:28.53 | Xinhuan | i once prospected 6 stacks of ore |
| 00:29.06 | norgs | Thank god Tem is writing a replacement for it |
| 00:29.08 | Xinhuan | and noted that Enhtooltip generated enough garbage to go through 3 GC cycles |
| 00:29.18 | Kreiger | pkek. i can make a list of the folders. hehe |
| 00:29.25 | Xinhuan | (i.e my memory bounced between 48 to 70 mb, three times) |
| 00:29.26 | Tem|Work | good lord? |
| 00:29.28 | Tem|Work | that much? |
| 00:29.29 | Mudkips | I don't know what that means Xinhuan but it doesn't sound nice |
| 00:29.30 | norgs | The code in it's like 3 years old |
| 00:29.55 | norgs | Yeah, so hurry up! :) <3 |
| 00:30.05 | Pkekyo | sod it, I'm off |
| 00:30.05 | Pkekyo | severely lacking sleep allready... |
| 00:30.05 | Pkekyo | laters |
| 00:30.06 | Stan__ | Tem|Work: you are writing a replacement for enhtooltip? what's it called? |
| 00:30.16 | Tem|Work | um |
| 00:30.20 | Xinhuan | i even tried just splitting stacks of water into smaller stacks, and Enhtooltip generates just as much garbage |
| 00:30.21 | Tem|Work | LibTooltip? |
| 00:30.26 | Xinhuan | its pretty bad |
| 00:30.43 | norgs | sounds good to me Tem :) |
| 00:30.43 | Xinhuan | (water is convenient since i'm a mage) |
| 00:30.55 | Tem|Work | I dunno, the name part is not what I'm worrying about atm... |
| 00:31.19 | Tem|Work | my biggest concern is the stuff happening in every frame because of the bag code |
| 00:31.34 | Xinhuan | which is fixed next patch |
| 00:31.38 | Tem|Work | sort of |
| 00:31.41 | Tem|Work | I think |
| 00:31.50 | Tem|Work | dunno, I haven't gotten to look |
| 00:32.10 | Tem|Work | but anyway, optimization against is incredibly hard in the general case |
| 00:32.45 | Xinhuan | this isn't really about optimization though, its about the garbage generation |
| 00:33.00 | Tem|Work | well I shouldn't be creating garbage at all |
| 00:33.29 | Tem|Work | the only memory growth you should notice over time is it gradually making more money frames and such |
| 00:33.44 | Tem|Work | but those are one time operations so... |
| 00:33.59 | NightHawkAtWork | yipe. i need to head home. >< |
| 00:34.03 | Xinhuan | feel free to split stacks of water into 20 stacks in enhtooltip ;) |
| 00:34.13 | Xinhuan | brb getting foood |
| 00:34.16 | Tem|Work | why would I do that? |
| 00:34.29 | Xinhuan | to show it generates 10 mb of garbage |
| 00:34.29 | Tem|Work | splitting stacks of water has nothing to do with a tooltip addon |
| 00:34.32 | Tem|Work | oh |
| 00:34.36 | Xinhuan | in enhtooltip |
| 00:34.51 | Xinhuan | seemingly unrelated, but yeah |
| 00:35.03 | Tem|Work | that shouldn't be an issue in my version |
| 00:35.13 | Kreiger | to have cycircled_vol do you need cycircled? |
| 00:35.26 | Tem|Work | I would assume so |
| 00:35.32 | Tem|Work | that just seems natural |
| 00:36.13 | Tem|Work | and I'd put money on the existance of some kind of docs that would have told you that ifyou had read them |
| 00:36.32 | Tem|Work | if only in the description on the webpage where you downloaded it |
| 00:36.47 | Mudkips | @_@ http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/ |
| 00:36.50 | Kreiger | pfft |
| 00:36.59 | Kreiger | RTFM is for people without irc |
| 00:36.59 | Mudkips | open source ati drivers yes pls |
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| 00:37.21 | Tem|Work | ATI is for fail |
| 00:37.27 | Kreiger | nvidia is for win. |
| 00:37.34 | Tem|Work | *nod* *nod* |
| 00:37.40 | Chompers | why |
| 00:38.05 | Tem|Work | because I wiped my guild more times than I want to think about on Nef because of shitty ATI issues |
| 00:38.15 | Kreiger | better driver support, especially for linux |
| 00:39.42 | Mudkips | I remember in BWL when my screen used to just blank out |
| 00:39.43 | Kreiger | I bet m4rku5 had ati |
| 00:39.58 | Mudkips | near chromaggus |
| 00:40.04 | Kreiger | why? |
| 00:40.08 | Mudkips | I dont know |
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| 00:40.44 | baer | is there some bigwigs-"package" for battleground-timing? |
| 00:40.47 | Kreiger | Oh, mudkips, uiscale is an addon? |
| 00:40.53 | Mudkips | no |
| 00:40.59 | Kreiger | or do you guys mean the default Ui scale |
| 00:41.02 | Mudkips | yes |
| 00:41.21 | Kreiger | I did that. if i scale it down any further, i can't read the context menus |
| 00:41.33 | baer | Kreiger: Video Opts > Display > Use UI Scale :-} |
| 00:41.56 | Kreiger | baer, yep. if i scale it down more, the fonts get too small when i rightclick my own character. hard to read |
| 00:42.18 | baer | Kreiger: sounds like a familiar problem. |
| 00:42.43 | Kreiger | So i scaled my ui just to the smallest i can read it at, and assembled my ui from there |
| 00:44.48 | Mudkips | lol |
| 00:44.54 | Mudkips | metroid prime 3 outsells bioshock? |
| 00:44.56 | Mudkips | what is this? |
| 00:45.19 | baer | Mudkips: bioshack is drm-protected. |
| 00:45.24 | baer | i won't buy it. |
| 00:45.33 | ckknight | ugh, turns out I have a fever |
| 00:45.34 | Mudkips | I won't even download the demo |
| 00:46.03 | Xinhuan | what class are you Tem? :) |
| 00:47.43 | baer | so anybody knows, if there's a battleground times for bigwigs? |
| 00:48.04 | Xinhuan | battleground times ?_? |
| 00:48.12 | baer | s/times/timers |
| 00:48.21 | Xinhuan | think another addon does that |
| 00:48.24 | baer | like in vendetta |
| 00:48.28 | Xinhuan | forgot the name temporarily |
| 00:48.41 | Corey | yea deadly boss mods do that |
| 00:48.53 | baer | deadly boss mod got it, too. |
| 00:49.01 | Xinhuan | i think its called "Capping" |
| 00:50.12 | baer | is it ace2-based? |
| 00:50.24 | Xinhuan | capping is ace2 i think |
| 00:50.33 | Xinhuan | look for it on http://files.wowace.com/ |
| 00:50.35 | Recluse | is there a way to use a string as a namespace? pseudo-> local foo = "namespace" foo:Func() |
| 00:50.46 | baer | many thanks, i'll have a look at it. |
| 00:51.51 | Xinhuan | capping timers are only accurate to within 5 seconds though, because that is how often the BG servers check for capping status |
| 00:52.14 | baer | 5 secs are ok to me. |
| 00:52.26 | Xinhuan | you will see a node get capped 60-65 seconds after the initial cap |
| 00:52.35 | Xinhuan | never faster and never slower |
| 00:55.01 | Kreiger | Mudkips, i downloaded the demo. good game. |
| 00:55.17 | Kreiger | Dunno if we can talk about cracks here tho.. is there a rule for that? |
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| 00:55.43 | Xinhuan | no idea |
| 00:55.53 | Kreiger | probably better not to. |
| 00:56.24 | Kreiger | Anyway. cycircled is interesting. hehe |
| 00:59.53 | Xinhuan | i just noticed that if addon A lists B as a dependency, and B lists A as a dependency, and A is LoD, both loads properly. |
| 01:01.14 | Xinhuan | why is that? heh |
| 01:06.12 | sylvanaar | because the first one is honored |
| 01:08.16 | sylvanaar | wow knows which addons have all thier dependancies enabled |
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| 01:08.50 | Xinhuan | which one loads first though :) |
| 01:09.02 | sylvanaar | the one that loads first |
| 01:09.12 | sylvanaar | usally the first alphabetically |
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| 01:11.50 | sylvanaar | anyhow try it yourself, dont take my word for it |
| 01:12.55 | Xinhuan | i already have a pair of addons that does that |
| 01:13.33 | Xinhuan | its just weird design |
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| 01:15.21 | Xinhuan | because A is a stub that loads B. B is LoD. but B states A as a dependency and A also states B as a dependency :) |
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| 01:21.43 | Corgan | Is there a way to return a window based on the backdrop texture it uses? |
| 01:22.54 | hyperChipmunk | enumerateframes loop? O_o |
| 01:23.37 | Corgan | I know it seems odd... |
| 01:23.57 | Corgan | I basicly want to find violation windows and remove the backdrop from them |
| 01:24.06 | Corgan | they all have nil names |
| 01:24.06 | Corgan | :\ |
| 01:24.32 | hyperChipmunk | modify your local copy of violation would be much easier |
| 01:24.48 | Corgan | gets annoying to have to do it every time |
| 01:24.50 | Wobwork | but not nearly as roundabout |
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| 01:24.53 | Corgan | that it updates |
| 01:24.58 | Xinhuan | find one of its children that has a name in global namespace, and :GetParent() as many times as needed ;p |
| 01:25.08 | Wobwork | so submit a patch that makes the backdrop an option =) |
| 01:25.20 | Corgan | I tried looking for the names of bars and etc |
| 01:25.23 | Corgan | still nothing |
| 01:25.25 | Wobwork | so submit a patch that makes the backdrop an option =) |
| 01:25.30 | Corgan | and I'm not enough of a code junkie to do that @_@ |
| 01:25.35 | hyperChipmunk | svn update won't clobber local changes |
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| 01:38.50 | MajorPayne_ | quickly |
| 01:39.09 | MajorPayne_ | quickly - I need to know a macro that will ping my location and say something about me when I click it |
| 01:39.11 | MajorPayne_ | something like |
| 01:39.14 | MajorPayne_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.26 | MajorPayne_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.38 | MajorPayne_ | I don't know what to write in the macro but anyone have an idea? |
| 01:39.51 | Wobwork | I don't think you can ping via macro |
| 01:39.59 | hyperChipmunk | you can't ping with a slash command |
| 01:40.03 | MajorPayne_ | ah balls |
| 01:40.34 | hyperChipmunk | besides; where would it ping if your mouse wasn't over the map when you did it |
| 01:42.34 | Tem|Work | Minimap:SendPing(0,0) iirc |
| 01:43.20 | Recluse | hmm |
| 01:45.22 | sylvanaar | is that protected? |
| 01:46.29 | Tem|Work | Minimap:PingLocation(0,0) |
| 01:47.27 | hyperChipmunk | no, you can do it that way |
| 01:47.30 | hyperChipmunk | with a /script |
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| 01:48.25 | hyperChipmunk | but I don't see how you can pick up the mouse position |
| 01:49.03 | hyperChipmunk | hm |
| 01:49.12 | hyperChipmunk | actually, you could probably use api for that too |
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| 01:49.19 | hyperChipmunk | i dunno, i rusty >8P |
| 01:49.30 | Wobwork | kergoth: someone tell hyperchipmunk to poke bm2/bm2inbox for me, i leave the mailbox and the bm2/bm2inbox windows stay open, and wont close :( i have to reloadui every time i leave the mailbox |
| 01:49.56 | hyperChipmunk | maybe kerg should stop sucking |
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| 01:50.26 | hyperChipmunk | cuz it doesn't happen to anyone else |
| 01:51.26 | hyperChipmunk | bm/bmi is perfect |
| 01:51.31 | hyperChipmunk | don't let him tell you otherwise |
| 01:51.37 | Wobwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.37 | Wobwork | (11:49:35 AM) kergoth: /shrug |
| 01:51.42 | hyperChipmunk | and i'm a shining god of a programmer |
| 01:51.59 | hyperChipmunk | where is he saying this? |
| 01:52.09 | hyperChipmunk | i'm in like 3 channels he's in |
| 01:52.09 | Wobwork | #dongle =) |
| 01:52.21 | hyperChipmunk | wtf |
| 01:53.01 | Wobwork | kergoth: i'll respond to that as soon as i finish laughing histerically |
| 01:53.05 | hyperChipmunk | tell him wobin is a tool and he eats his own feces |
| 01:53.25 | Wobwork | It's called recycling =P |
| 01:54.08 | hyperChipmunk | or 'being poor' |
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| 01:55.33 | I440r | can anyone tell me how to get atlasloot to tell me exactly what mobs drop "plans: fellsteel longblade" |
| 01:56.06 | xyu | yell at it, usually works. |
| 01:56.11 | xyu | call it dirty names. |
| 01:56.23 | I440r | ok, can someone with a CLUE tell me? |
| 01:56.40 | hyperChipmunk | it's a world drop |
| 01:56.41 | xyu | i have no idea actually, sorry (-_-?)/~~~~~~~~(T_T) |
| 01:56.56 | I440r | so any outland mob can drop it? |
| 01:57.03 | Wobwork | yes |
| 01:57.13 | I440r | dang |
| 01:57.21 | hyperChipmunk | if they're like level 65+ or something |
| 01:57.33 | hyperChipmunk | the no-drop ones are farmable |
| 01:57.41 | Wobwork | It has resulted in a reverse eugenics development |
| 01:57.42 | xyu | farming world drops are the worst ever |
| 01:57.44 | I440r | guess im going to be killing about 500 million mobs before i ever see it then |
| 01:57.45 | hyperChipmunk | the boe ones are world drop |
| 01:57.57 | xyu | you're better off getting it of the AH |
| 01:57.59 | xyu | IMO |
| 01:58.00 | xyu | TBH |
| 01:58.03 | hyperChipmunk | or trading/buying in the AH |
| 01:58.22 | Wobwork | Those disembodied draenei have realised that their survival rate is higher by not being a Disembodied Protector |
| 01:58.42 | Wobwork | So a shift in the Disembodied draenei work ethics have occurred |
| 01:58.48 | xyu | Same with those ogre Geologists in blades edge. |
| 01:58.53 | xyu | I've been farming that bracer enchant |
| 01:59.04 | xyu | for like 2067208967 hours |
| 01:59.07 | Wobwork | yeah =( |
| 01:59.09 | kenlyric_ | it's fairly impossible to farm for a rare boe, since sticking in one location is rarely fruitful. |
| 01:59.16 | xyu | Oh and they know it because they don't even like to spawn. |
| 01:59.23 | xyu | yeah, your best bet is to level and alt |
| 01:59.24 | Wobwork | However, with the drakefist/blackout/snd I've recorded haste ratings up to 48% =) |
| 01:59.25 | xyu | and hope for the best ^^ |
| 01:59.37 | hyperChipmunk | you can't farm a world drop |
| 01:59.54 | kenlyric_ | your best bet is to just buy it on the AH, and farm for the gold. |
| 01:59.59 | hyperChipmunk | yea |
| 02:00.08 | Antiarc | Wobwork: I hit a 0.47 OH attack speed on Leotheras last week :D |
| 02:00.21 | kenlyric_ | actually, that's your best bet for anything that's not BoP |
| 02:00.22 | Wobwork | Antiarc: It's so pretty! =) |
| 02:00.28 | MajorPayne_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.32 | MajorPayne_ | exactly how I needed |
| 02:00.39 | MajorPayne_ | how do I also in that same macro say something like |
| 02:00.46 | MajorPayne_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.54 | Antiarc | 0.84 MH attack spee |
| 02:00.55 | Mudkips | *facepalm* |
| 02:00.56 | MajorPayne_ | ( %target functionality sort of) |
| 02:00.58 | Antiarc | It was pretty leet. :D |
| 02:00.58 | hyperChipmunk | just like you'd do in chat |
| 02:00.59 | Wobwork | /say GET AWAY FROM MAJORPAYNE |
| 02:01.16 | Wobwork | or /say OMG SHATTER MOVEMOVEMOVE |
| 02:01.22 | hyperChipmunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.34 | hyperChipmunk | if you want your target |
| 02:01.36 | Wobwork | hyperChipmunk: get away from gruul? |
| 02:01.45 | Mudkips | lol gruul |
| 02:01.57 | hyperChipmunk | well, he's asking for some variable |
| 02:02.06 | hyperChipmunk | if it's himself, he'd just type it in |
| 02:02.10 | silentium | /rw %random_person smells ;) |
| 02:02.27 | hyperChipmunk | presumably, that doesn't change very often |
| 02:05.43 | MajorPayne_ | I realize I could do it that way but please |
| 02:05.50 | MajorPayne_ | is there a way to do it the way I need? |
| 02:06.04 | MajorPayne_ | I've got 25 people that we want to have use this |
| 02:06.12 | Tuller | hrm, so I'm wondering if I should have the inventory frame managed and on the left side of the screen |
| 02:06.27 | MajorPayne_ | just a way to macro a say or yell annoucne something with your own name in it |
| 02:06.29 | Tuller | the benefit being that its right next to the bank/merchant |
| 02:06.39 | Tuller | the drawback being that it covers up the party frames |
| 02:06.43 | kenlyric_ | stop trying to raid with dumb people. It will only end in frustration. |
| 02:08.52 | CIA-22 | 03samuelcup * r48305 10WitchHunt/locales/zhCN.lua: WitchHunt: zhCN updated |
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| 02:11.52 | Wobwork | so... you'll end up with 25 people all using the same macro? |
| 02:11.57 | Tuller | hrm, maybe i just need an easier way to feed my pet :P |
| 02:11.58 | Wobwork | and pinging the minimap? |
| 02:12.11 | Wobwork | Tuller: King Of The Jungle works well |
| 02:16.01 | Tuller | Wobwork: thanks :) |
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| 02:18.16 | kenlyric_ | yup. |
| 02:18.29 | kenlyric_ | pop the icon somewhere you can't miss it, and you'll desperately want it to go away. |
| 02:18.37 | kenlyric_ | the mend pet icon is dumb though, disable it. |
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| 02:20.57 | Tuller | well what I've been doing is just dragging food from my inventory and feeding it to my pet |
| 02:21.11 | Tuller | which is not going to be very nice in combuctor since its on the left side |
| 02:21.20 | Tuller | so thus that solves it :) |
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| 02:22.58 | kaiden | Heya, what's the script command that outputs the frames information, it's been so long since i've done it that i can't remember |
| 02:23.16 | kaiden | GetMouseLocation:GetInfo or something along those lines, just can't pull it out :P |
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| 02:23.29 | silentium | MajorPayne_: it's an easy macro with 2 lines: |
| 02:23.29 | silentium | /script Minimap:PingLocation(0,0) |
| 02:23.29 | silentium | /say get away - <I'm too stupid for replacing these bracers with my name> |
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| 02:24.36 | kaiden | i would look it up on wowwiki but for some reason i'm having issues with loading the site right now |
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| 02:26.54 | kaiden | or.. maybe if someone knows the typical frame name of the new eePanels2 created panels |
| 02:29.06 | kaiden | n/m i had to intercept mouse clicks to get it to be recognized by getmousefocus |
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| 02:42.59 | ckknight | brb |
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| 02:55.36 | [Liquidor] | omg ckknight, you missed out so much while you were away |
| 02:55.47 | ckknight | hey |
| 02:55.49 | ckknight | anyone remember Furbies? |
| 02:55.51 | ckknight | how much of a fad they were |
| 02:55.53 | ckknight | and how no one cares now |
| 02:56.05 | [Liquidor] | Not sure what it is |
| 02:56.11 | Thrae | The next WoW expansion pack was released while you were away |
| 02:56.34 | Thrae | This version has a Cosmos-like interface, too! |
| 02:56.36 | [Liquidor] | Rock2 was created while you were away |
| 02:56.46 | *** mode/#wowace [+v WobWork] by ChanServ |
| 02:56.49 | [Liquidor] | And we are currently on Ace17 |
| 02:57.26 | Tuller | Actually, that's in base 36 |
| 02:57.56 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's in base 36 |
| 02:58.37 | Tuller | actually 'your mom' is not in base 36 due to the space |
| 02:58.42 | ckknight | http://www.thepuppetstudio.com/Furby.jpg |
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| 02:59.24 | Tuller | yes, creepy |
| 03:00.43 | Thrae | All your base 36 belong to n77.0 |
| 03:00.53 | JoshBorke | ~lart Thrae |
| 03:00.53 | purl | judo chops Thrae |
| 03:03.30 | Thrae | Tuller says nothing for my mad base 36 skillz |
| 03:03.50 | Tuller | or did I... |
| 03:05.07 | Tuller | lua> tonumber('n77.0', 36) |
| 03:05.07 | cladbot | Tuller: nil, |
| 03:05.15 | JoshBorke | pwned |
| 03:05.39 | Tuller | lua> tonumber('n77', 36) |
| 03:05.40 | cladbot | Tuller: 30067, |
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| 03:21.13 | BankZ | Anyone know what the macro command would be to switch to druid flight form? |
| 03:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ... /cast Flight Form? |
| 03:21.34 | Corgan | I hate gnomes. |
| 03:21.44 | NightHawkTheSane | I love gnomes. |
| 03:21.46 | Corgan | Gnome warriors ftl. |
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| 03:25.42 | ckknight | Corgan: what's so bad about em? |
| 03:26.13 | Corgan | I got charged by 5 of them in a WSG match |
| 03:26.18 | Corgan | they were like |
| 03:26.23 | Corgan | hiding in the bushes |
| 03:26.36 | Corgan | and all of a sudden, i get charged by all of them |
| 03:26.37 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe... "From the flight deck before takeoff: I'm only gonna say this once: You have to turn off your laptop, iPod, Game Boy, CD player, BlackBerry, blueberry, strawberry, cherry, and Halle Berry -- yes, you have to turn her off, too! You have to turn off anything that isn't keeping you alive." |
| 03:26.37 | Corgan | and raped |
| 03:26.48 | NightHawkTheSane | packs of gnomes are dangerous creatures. |
| 03:28.52 | ckknight | they're like piranhas |
| 03:29.07 | Corgan | They are. |
| 03:29.46 | ckknight | coincidentally, I rolled a gnome warrior just a little while ago |
| 03:29.56 | Corgan | lol |
| 03:30.17 | Corgan | I had a gnome mage when I played alliance |
| 03:34.51 | ckknight | the 80's are hilarious. |
| 03:35.06 | ckknight | with their funny hair |
| 03:35.15 | ckknight | and unadulterated euphemisms |
| 03:35.18 | ckknight | and gremlins |
| 03:35.55 | buu | Oh god, gnomes. |
| 03:36.16 | NightHawkTheSane | they were hilarious in the "lets not do that again" kind of way |
| 03:36.28 | buu | Yeah. |
| 03:36.49 | ckknight | oh, definitely |
| 03:36.53 | buu | I'm not sure what exactly is so damn annoying about them. |
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| 03:37.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i kinda had my fill of the 80's the first time around |
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| 03:37.46 | buu | Gad I'm so bored. |
| 03:37.50 | buu | I need l33t raidsz. |
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| 03:47.16 | ckknight | I daresay your mom needs l33t raidsz. |
| 03:47.52 | sylvanaar | i need them too, i want to raid again |
| 03:49.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 03:51.41 | buu | ckknight: Hell yeah she does. |
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| 04:09.40 | ZealotOnAStick | !seen cryect |
| 04:09.40 | Diao | Cryect!n=fefsd@pool-72-95-251-159.pitbpa.east.verizon.net was last seen 3 day 11 hr 16 min 35 s ago on #wowace |
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| 04:23.51 | RaydenUni | good grief |
| 04:23.59 | RaydenUni | my friends and i are running OH at lvl 70 |
| 04:24.08 | ckknight | OH? |
| 04:24.11 | RaydenUni | we're sitting waiting for a pull so i pull it (spriest) |
| 04:24.13 | RaydenUni | hillsbraad |
| 04:24.39 | RaydenUni | it goes poorly and everyone gets upset at me |
| 04:24.48 | RaydenUni | the mobs are lvl 67! |
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| 04:25.43 | RaydenUni | and then proceed to tell me how to heal... |
| 04:26.08 | RaydenUni | yep, i'm a lvl 70 shadow priest and this is the first time i've ever had to heal... |
| 04:32.14 | ckknight | why would they expect a shadow priest to heal? |
| 04:32.41 | Aeyan | My friends do =P |
| 04:33.01 | Aeyan | Granted, we have no dedicated healer and often 3-4 man dungeons we shouldn't |
| 04:33.14 | RaydenUni | our healing feral druid died |
| 04:33.21 | RaydenUni | :D |
| 04:33.27 | RaydenUni | we're just doing KZ attune |
| 04:33.32 | RaydenUni | and we're all 70 so its easy |
| 04:33.32 | Aeyan | Haha, sounds like our team |
| 04:33.42 | Aeyan | All of us are PvP spec'd, essentially |
| 04:33.53 | Aeyan | Fun times, but very rough on the instance runs... |
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| 04:35.14 | kenlyric_ | shadow labyrinth. |
| 04:35.19 | RaydenUni | ? |
| 04:35.28 | kenlyric_ | that's the point where I failed as a shadow priest healer. |
| 04:35.40 | RaydenUni | i stopped at ramparts |
| 04:35.43 | kenlyric_ | in the instance progression. |
| 04:35.53 | RaydenUni | i'm just so mana inefficient |
| 04:35.59 | RaydenUni | it costs me most of my mana in one battle |
| 04:36.01 | kenlyric_ | except the third boss in there. |
| 04:36.20 | kenlyric_ | is that the one that summons the voidwalkers? |
| 04:36.25 | Aeyan | Yeah |
| 04:36.42 | kenlyric_ | yeah, loved him as a shadow priest. Cause I actually got to be shadowform :) |
| 04:37.00 | Aeyan | First time I did Murmur was a massive ego trip for me |
| 04:37.16 | Aeyan | Made the rogue just look sad |
| 04:37.27 | RaydenUni | why does he not do much dmg? |
| 04:37.28 | Aeyan | That was back before they nerfed the cooldown on SW:D though |
| 04:37.32 | RaydenUni | i've never died vs him |
| 04:37.34 | kenlyric_ | heh. it's the only time i've ever dpsed in a group. |
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| 04:37.43 | Aeyan | If someone is in melee, he'll never aggro on ranged |
| 04:37.56 | Aeyan | So you don't have to worry about threat if you have a decent warrior/druid |
| 04:38.03 | kenlyric_ | RaydenUni: the guy I'm talking about? basically, you burn him down as fast as possible and he doesn't do shit. |
| 04:38.11 | RaydenUni | the on eyou kite? |
| 04:38.27 | RaydenUni | i always dps |
| 04:38.31 | kenlyric_ | well, if you burn him down fast enough, you don't have to kite. |
| 04:38.33 | RaydenUni | can't do much else as a spriest |
| 04:39.06 | kenlyric_ | I always heal in groups until it gets too hard. |
| 04:39.16 | kenlyric_ | it was 5 man strat at 60 and shadow lab at 70. |
| 04:39.20 | RaydenUni | its harder to find tanks than healers on my server |
| 04:39.35 | RaydenUni | and i suck at healing |
| 04:39.43 | RaydenUni | !fc us destromath raydenuni |
| 04:39.43 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Raydenuni, Level 70 Priest (13/2/46). 7271 HP; 8145 Mana; +2.3% spell hit; +127 spell crit rating; 524 +shadow. |
| 04:39.44 | kenlyric_ | well, that would make it harder :) |
| 04:39.58 | Aeyan | I play on a pvp, so dedicated healers and tanks are quite hard to find |
| 04:40.06 | Aeyan | Everyone is dps'd to the max, usually |
| 04:40.07 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 04:40.15 | RaydenUni | i'm pvp |
| 04:40.23 | kenlyric_ | !fc us kargath kenlyric |
| 04:40.24 | ThraeBot | kenlyric_: Kenlyric, Level 70 Priest (23/38/0). 6911 HP; 8700 Mana; 336 Spi; +3.41% spell hit; +130 spell crit rating; 641 +dmg. |
| 04:40.30 | Aeyan | I'm a pretty good healer |
| 04:40.34 | kenlyric_ | oh crap |
| 04:40.35 | Aeyan | Skill wise |
| 04:40.38 | kenlyric_ | dps gear ftl |
| 04:40.45 | Aeyan | Just very inefficiently geared and spec'd |
| 04:41.02 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric_: yeah, it sucks when i go to look at my armory profile and forget I logged out in my shitty ele gear. |
| 04:41.07 | kenlyric_ | hmmm... doesn't show healing? |
| 04:41.22 | RaydenUni | oh i can play healer fine |
| 04:41.28 | RaydenUni | but i can't heal much |
| 04:41.29 | kenlyric_ | anyway, my spirit is MUCH HIGHER :) |
| 04:41.42 | NightHawkTheSane | mine is much lower. :P |
| 04:41.57 | Aeyan | Yeah... |
| 04:42.12 | RaydenUni | !c us destromath raydenuni |
| 04:42.14 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Raydenuni, Level 70 Troll Priest (13/2/46). 7271 HP; 8145 Mana; 181 mana regen; 27 mp5; 127 spell crit; 29 spell hit; 435 +spell dmg/heal; 50 frost dmg (485); 89 shadow dmg (524); 5.06% dodge; +3 all resists;[[ TBR: 1200 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yoe69x ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xsogf ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 00:53:47 2007 ]] |
| 04:42.21 | kenlyric_ | I can't be anything else in a group. It's just not any fun for me. I like playing other classes solo, and some pvp, but not an instance. |
| 04:42.35 | Aeyan | Neat tool |
| 04:42.51 | NightHawkTheSane | I like tanking in groups, really |
| 04:43.01 | NightHawkTheSane | but tanking's such a pita. |
| 04:43.04 | Aeyan | !c us maelstrom hisame |
| 04:43.07 | ThraeBot | Aeyan: Hisame, Level 70 Human Priest (14/2/45). 8141 HP; 8385 Mana; 177 mana regen; 58 mp5; 157 spell crit; 39 spell hit; 427 +spell dmg; 473 +heal; 39 shadow dmg (466); 4.98% dodge; 49 resilience;[[ TBR: 864 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2lq8mv ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32v3pe ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 00:54:40 2007 ]] |
| 04:43.14 | kenlyric_ | tanking is like healing with more stress :) |
| 04:43.23 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric_: yeah. |
| 04:43.28 | kenlyric_ | dps is like, no stress at all. |
| 04:43.32 | kenlyric_ | healing is *just right* |
| 04:43.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i don't mind healing too much, at least right now |
| 04:46.11 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 overheard in new york. http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/011584.html |
| 04:47.01 | kenlyric_ | excellent. I approve. |
| 04:47.09 | kenlyric_ | !c us kargath kenlyric |
| 04:47.11 | ThraeBot | kenlyric_: Kenlyric, Level 70 Human Priest (23/38/0). 6751 HP; 9240 Mana; 469 mana regen; 187 mp5; 166 +spell dmg; 1435 +heal; 4.98% dodge;[[ TBR: 879 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2o9aq7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35e5sn ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 00:58:44 2007 ]] |
| 04:47.27 | kenlyric_ | gotta work on my TBR |
| 04:48.35 | ckknight | well, Gremlins was entertaining, to say the least |
| 04:48.46 | kenlyric_ | first time? |
| 04:48.51 | Antiarc | Yay, Al'ar gone done died. |
| 04:49.02 | Thrae | !co us maelstrom hisame us kargath kenlyric |
| 04:49.02 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Hisame vs Kenlyric! Two 70 priests compare their stat differences; 14/2/45 vs 23/38/0; Hisame ++1390 HP; Hisame ++261 +spelldmg; Hisame ++49 resilience; Hisame ++39 shadow dmg; Kenlyric ++962 +healing; Kenlyric ++855 Mana; Kenlyric ++292 mana regen; Hisame ++39 spell hit; Hisame ++157 spell crit; Kenlyric ++1914 Armour; Kenlyric ++129 mp5; Hisame has 20% more stats then Kenlyric. |
| 04:49.35 | RaydenUni | so that shows how much one has over the other? |
| 04:49.41 | RaydenUni | hisame has 1390 more hp? |
| 04:49.56 | Thrae | Hence "stat differences", yes |
| 04:50.07 | RaydenUni | !co us destromath raydenuni us maelstrom hisame |
| 04:50.07 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Raydenuni vs Hisame! Two 70 priests compare their stat differences; 13/2/46 vs 14/2/45; Hisame ++870 HP; Hisame ++473 +healing; Hisame ++427 +spelldmg; Raydenuni ++0.079999999999999% dodge; Hisame ++49 resilience; Hisame ++30 spell crit; Raydenuni ++50 frost dmg; Raydenuni ++50 shadow dmg; Raydenuni ++7 Armour; Hisame ++240 Mana; Raydenuni ++4 mana regen; Hisame ++10 spell hit; Raydenun |
| 04:50.07 | ThraeBot | i ++435 +spelldmg/heal; Raydenuni ++3 All Resists; Hisame ++31 mp5; Hisame has 2% more stats then Raydenuni. |
| 04:50.18 | RaydenUni | i win dodge |
| 04:50.27 | kenlyric_ | night elf? |
| 04:50.31 | RaydenUni | troll |
| 04:50.45 | RaydenUni | Raydenuni ++0.079999999999999% dodge |
| 04:50.53 | kenlyric_ | excellent. |
| 04:51.06 | kenlyric_ | ckknight: first time seeing gremlins? |
| 04:51.20 | ckknight | second, actually, I saw it like 12 years ago |
| 04:52.01 | kenlyric_ | I was a big fan. goofy and scary worked pretty well. |
| 04:52.13 | Aeyan | That's a neat irc tool |
| 04:52.16 | kenlyric_ | I still love the santa chimney story. |
| 04:52.16 | RaydenUni | swstats and recound give way different numbers |
| 04:52.25 | Aeyan | Haha, .079 dodge |
| 04:52.31 | RaydenUni | one of them shows me equal dps with the warlock, the other shows the warlock doing 35 more dps |
| 04:52.31 | kenlyric_ | just excellent delivery. |
| 04:53.08 | ckknight | kenlyric_: definitely. |
| 04:53.15 | Aeyan | It's a shame though, undead make far superior shadow priests than I |
| 04:53.17 | kenlyric_ | gizmo: the original furbee |
| 04:53.39 | RaydenUni | shadowguard is nice |
| 04:53.46 | Xinhuan | RaydenUni: try comparing spell details and see if each spell casted gives the same damage total |
| 04:53.51 | kenlyric_ | i've enver tried a troll priest. |
| 04:54.08 | RaydenUni | the berserk thing is nice for a healing troll |
| 04:54.13 | Aeyan | Desperate prayer is very nice, but plague would help me out more |
| 04:54.19 | RaydenUni | desperate prayer? |
| 04:54.28 | Aeyan | Instant mana-free heal |
| 04:54.36 | kenlyric_ | heh, you don't get to choose between the two :) |
| 04:54.40 | Aeyan | Can't use in shadowform, of course |
| 04:54.56 | Aeyan | No kidding |
| 04:54.58 | kenlyric_ | that's bogus. |
| 04:54.59 | Aeyan | Let's see... |
| 04:55.09 | RaydenUni | it would be nice if they were talents |
| 04:55.18 | RaydenUni | they are getting rid of priest racial spells |
| 04:55.21 | Aeyan | Desperate prayer (can't use in shadowform), feedback (w....t...f...), and perception |
| 04:55.25 | RaydenUni | so huzzah fear ward |
| 04:55.28 | kenlyric_ | RaydenUni: no. |
| 04:55.34 | RaydenUni | ? |
| 04:55.41 | kenlyric_ | they're giving fear ward to every priest. They haven't really locked down anything else. |
| 04:55.46 | Aeyan | WotF and devouring plague... woo! |
| 04:55.48 | Aeyan | ... =( |
| 04:55.49 | kenlyric_ | we could still have racials. |
| 04:56.04 | Aeyan | Haven't heard anything about them messing with racials |
| 04:56.06 | Aeyan | Where'd you hear that? |
| 04:56.08 | kenlyric_ | Aeyan, my priest racial as a human is The Human spirit :) |
| 04:56.08 | RaydenUni | i guess |
| 04:56.28 | Aeyan | Human spirit is awesome for holy, I'll give em that |
| 04:56.29 | RaydenUni | only other one i think i'd want is the undead dot |
| 04:56.38 | Aeyan | And I can't complain about the diplomacy one |
| 04:56.43 | Aeyan | That's rocked out for Outland |
| 04:56.44 | RaydenUni | man, i need a lot of cloth |
| 04:56.56 | Aeyan | Yeah, the undead dot is devouring plague |
| 04:57.19 | RaydenUni | how hard does it tick compared to swp? |
| 04:57.38 | kenlyric_ | nothing beats starshards. |
| 04:58.08 | kenlyric_ | nothing like getting kicked or counterspelled and then wiping out the fleeing rogue or mage with STARSHARDS |
| 04:58.25 | Aeyan | 1216 Shadow damage over 24 sec. Damage caused by the Devouring Plague heals the caster. |
| 04:58.26 | kenlyric_ | of course,that's the single use of that spell. |
| 04:58.32 | Aeyan | Hahaha, yeah |
| 04:58.42 | RaydenUni | aoe? |
| 04:58.49 | Aeyan | Though seriously... feedback is some overpowered shit. |
| 04:58.49 | kenlyric_ | and, it looks really impressive making the killing blow on dragons. |
| 04:58.59 | RaydenUni | so it does the damage of mind flay, but takes twice as long and is chanelled |
| 04:59.00 | kenlyric_ | feedback is so sexy. |
| 04:59.05 | Aeyan | It's a dot |
| 04:59.16 | Aeyan | Instant cast, 3 minute cooldown |
| 04:59.21 | Aeyan | ^ plague |
| 04:59.23 | kenlyric_ | yeah, it's a dot. And mind flay is also channeled :) |
| 04:59.27 | RaydenUni | talking about starshards |
| 04:59.31 | Aeyan | Oh, shards |
| 04:59.32 | kenlyric_ | yes. |
| 04:59.37 | kenlyric_ | but it's not shadow. |
| 04:59.48 | RaydenUni | arcane, so you don't get any bonuses |
| 04:59.52 | kenlyric_ | So as a shadowform priest, it's the only spell you have when you're counterspelled |
| 05:00.24 | kenlyric_ | like I said, it has that one use, and it's very good at it. |
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| 05:00.24 | RaydenUni | humiliation? |
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| 05:00.24 | kenlyric_ | it's also very mana efficient while you don't have much shadow damage gear. |
| 05:00.32 | Aeyan | I think feedback takes the cake for worthless |
| 05:00.43 | kenlyric_ | yes. |
| 05:00.53 | Aeyan | I've used it once. |
| 05:00.54 | kenlyric_ | feedback or that other undead one. |
| 05:00.59 | Aeyan | I wanted to see the graphic |
| 05:01.02 | NightHawkTheSane | touch of weakness |
| 05:01.04 | RaydenUni | isn't feedback the one that drains their mana when you get attacked? |
| 05:01.08 | kenlyric_ | I've never used feedback. |
| 05:01.10 | RaydenUni | hex of weakness? |
| 05:01.12 | RaydenUni | the troll one? |
| 05:01.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hex of weakness is slightly useful for the healing debuff |
| 05:01.27 | Aeyan | Drains mana when a spell hits you |
| 05:01.29 | kenlyric_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/Priest_racial_abilities |
| 05:01.31 | Aeyan | Well, burns mana |
| 05:01.33 | RaydenUni | at lvl 70 it does 35 damage reduction |
| 05:01.40 | RaydenUni | i never use it |
| 05:01.46 | RaydenUni | does it still affect that boss? |
| 05:02.06 | theoddone33 | 35 isn't bad |
| 05:02.13 | theoddone33 | max rank blessing of sanctuary does 80 |
| 05:02.14 | kenlyric_ | no, they fixed that. |
| 05:02.43 | theoddone33 | I assume it's dispellable though |
| 05:02.51 | Aeyan | With feedback, you need to be hit with 5 spells in 15 seconds to even break 1:1 damage to mana efficiency |
| 05:02.58 | theoddone33 | it being hex of weakness |
| 05:03.20 | kenlyric_ | feedback would be fine if it was free like desperate prayer. |
| 05:03.21 | RaydenUni | i guess 35 vs a rogue might not be so bad |
| 05:03.31 | Aeyan | Yeah, kenlyric_ |
| 05:03.36 | theoddone33 | yeah 35 is nice |
| 05:03.38 | Aeyan | Then it MIGHT have a use or two |
| 05:03.38 | theoddone33 | better than nothing |
| 05:03.44 | kenlyric_ | but, yes, blizzard has said that priest racials were a dumb cludge and they want to do something with them. |
| 05:03.58 | theoddone33 | I kind of want them to give every class special racials |
| 05:04.01 | theoddone33 | but that would just be a CF |
| 05:04.03 | kenlyric_ | fear ward to all definitely, who knows what with the rest. |
| 05:04.17 | Aeyan | Fear ward would be nice |
| 05:04.25 | kenlyric_ | they only gave priests racials because undead priests made no sense in the lore. stupid idea. |
| 05:04.29 | RaydenUni | yay undead get to fear counters |
| 05:04.35 | RaydenUni | two* |
| 05:04.45 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 05:04.55 | Aeyan | That's a good argument against it right there |
| 05:04.56 | kenlyric_ | I'd expect something like you can pick one, and maybe respec out of it for increasing cost. |
| 05:05.01 | kenlyric_ | like a second talent tree. |
| 05:05.07 | theoddone33 | maybe they'll make racials no racial |
| 05:05.08 | theoddone33 | yeah |
| 05:05.10 | theoddone33 | non racial |
| 05:05.14 | theoddone33 | where you spec in and out for gold |
| 05:05.43 | Aeyan | Choosing your two would be my favorite, but considering I'm opposite the Horde on my current server.... I think I like the pick one idea better |
| 05:05.59 | kenlyric_ | if symbol of hope goes, there might be riots. |
| 05:06.24 | kenlyric_ | it's the one I'd pick, in a heartbeat. |
| 05:06.27 | theoddone33 | actually I'm fine with racials |
| 05:06.31 | theoddone33 | the way they are now |
| 05:06.33 | theoddone33 | believe it or not |
| 05:06.40 | Aeyan | Bleh |
| 05:06.43 | RaydenUni | how you can't get invited to a raid unless you are a dwarf priest? |
| 05:06.44 | Aeyan | Undead make me angry |
| 05:06.48 | Aeyan | But oh well |
| 05:06.52 | kenlyric_ | uh. |
| 05:06.52 | theoddone33 | well my main is an undead :P |
| 05:07.02 | Aeyan | My first character was an undead rogue |
| 05:07.02 | kenlyric_ | why would anyone invite a dwarf priest? |
| 05:07.02 | RaydenUni | my main is troll |
| 05:07.05 | theoddone33 | but blood elf racials suck enough to make up for it |
| 05:07.06 | kenlyric_ | draenei > dwarf |
| 05:07.13 | RaydenUni | oh i guess draenei have it too now |
| 05:07.21 | Aeyan | Blood elf priest racials are terrible, yes |
| 05:07.25 | kenlyric_ | blood elf racials as a whole suck pretty hard. |
| 05:07.29 | RaydenUni | i don't play alliance so i'm just repeating what i read |
| 05:07.37 | RaydenUni | their silence is pretty nice |
| 05:07.43 | theoddone33 | 2 seconds? |
| 05:07.46 | theoddone33 | it's ok but it's not OP |
| 05:07.53 | theoddone33 | it's more like an interrupt |
| 05:07.54 | RaydenUni | aoe spell interrupt |
| 05:07.55 | kenlyric_ | 2 second silence is ok. |
| 05:08.08 | kenlyric_ | it's the other part that sucks, mana drain turned into mana. |
| 05:08.12 | kenlyric_ | it's great for rogues. |
| 05:08.24 | RaydenUni | i forget to use it on my rogue |
| 05:08.28 | kenlyric_ | uh |
| 05:08.32 | kenlyric_ | it's OP for rogues. |
| 05:08.45 | theoddone33 | yeah I'd think it would be |
| 05:08.47 | Aeyan | Yeah |
| 05:08.51 | theoddone33 | it's only 60 at max? |
| 05:08.53 | theoddone33 | or 40 |
| 05:08.54 | kenlyric_ | it's kinda OK for my hunter since his mana pool is tiny. |
| 05:09.03 | kenlyric_ | but a mage, lol |
| 05:09.22 | Aeyan | 30 energy |
| 05:09.36 | theoddone33 | it'd be nicer if it scaled somehow |
| 05:09.42 | theoddone33 | with int, perhaps |
| 05:09.56 | Aeyan | Meh, that's 30% of a rogue's 'mana' bar =P |
| 05:09.59 | theoddone33 | just scale the mana, not the drain... like lifetap |
| 05:10.01 | RaydenUni | it should scale with spirit |
| 05:10.09 | theoddone33 | but paladins have no spirit |
| 05:10.11 | RaydenUni | yeah but mages don't drain their mana bar in 3 seconds |
| 05:10.36 | kenlyric_ | it's basically one extra ability for a rogue, it should be one extra spell for a mage :) |
| 05:10.48 | RaydenUni | 300 would be a good number |
| 05:11.13 | kenlyric_ | well, it's 483 |
| 05:11.25 | kenlyric_ | for 3 charges. |
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| 05:11.48 | RaydenUni | that's a decent amount |
| 05:11.53 | theoddone33 | one charge is likee, not quite a flash of light |
| 05:11.57 | kenlyric_ | it's not OP for rogues against elites/bosses, but solo it's pretty significant. |
| 05:12.18 | kenlyric_ | of all the classes that should use it all the time against mana users, it's rogues :) |
| 05:12.30 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 05:12.41 | RaydenUni | just never got in the habit on my 29 |
| 05:12.46 | RaydenUni | i probably should |
| 05:13.31 | RaydenUni | need a good 3v3 team name |
| 05:13.42 | kenlyric_ | it's fun on my hunter running in to stop a spellcast with it :) |
| 05:14.02 | kenlyric_ | definitely didn't choose blood elf hunter for the racials... |
| 05:14.18 | RaydenUni | i chose BE because i heard their starting area was fun |
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| 05:14.40 | kenlyric_ | it's a nice emergency mana fund to keep around though, for when you're oom and need to heal your pet or feign death. |
| 05:14.40 | theoddone33 | heh yeah |
| 05:14.45 | theoddone33 | pretty bad racials for hunter |
| 05:14.55 | kenlyric_ | just roll an orc and run there :) |
| 05:15.04 | theoddone33 | can you run 40 yards before they're done casting to interrupt? |
| 05:15.05 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 05:15.06 | RaydenUni | i don't care for rolling an orc... |
| 05:15.12 | kenlyric_ | well, 35 yards. |
| 05:15.17 | kenlyric_ | and i'm rarely that far away. |
| 05:15.46 | kenlyric_ | 15-20 yards is my average. |
| 05:15.55 | kenlyric_ | it's doable on a slow heal. |
| 05:16.23 | kenlyric_ | orcs have awesome racials for pretty much every class they can play. And yet, I have none either :) |
| 05:16.44 | RaydenUni | troll spriest and BE rogue for me |
| 05:17.13 | theoddone33 | I hate orc/troll starting area |
| 05:17.14 | theoddone33 | a lot |
| 05:17.20 | kenlyric_ | I went BE for the humor, undead warlock as the vortex of emo, and tauren druid. |
| 05:17.45 | kenlyric_ | it's a pretty bad starting area. |
| 05:17.55 | kenlyric_ | not just aesthetically. |
| 05:18.02 | theoddone33 | lots of running |
| 05:18.11 | RaydenUni | oh i should ask you guys before i log off |
| 05:18.21 | RaydenUni | my tailoring book shows "..." for all the names |
| 05:18.24 | RaydenUni | of things i can make |
| 05:18.28 | RaydenUni | if i click on it i get info |
| 05:19.02 | RaydenUni | any ideas? |
| 05:21.36 | kaiden | how do you turn on the group indicator for the raid frames in pitbull? |
| 05:23.25 | Gregory- | edit any text field (name for example) to include [raidgroup] tag |
| 05:23.43 | kaiden | nono i mean the little grip that appears above each group that says Group # |
| 05:23.53 | RaydenUni | http://onefile.raydenuni.com/one_file/onefile/1/tailoring_bug.jpg |
| 05:23.54 | RaydenUni | the bug i'm getting |
| 05:23.59 | RaydenUni | could this be plugin related? |
| 05:25.51 | theoddone33 | dunno |
| 05:25.53 | ckknight | kaiden: that's not a grip, and it only shows in config mode |
| 05:25.53 | theoddone33 | must be |
| 05:28.04 | kaiden | RaydenUni, no, it's because you have a widescreen monitor |
| 05:28.07 | kaiden | and you are using clearfont |
| 05:28.12 | kaiden | set your font scale to 96% |
| 05:28.23 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 05:28.27 | RaydenUni | interesting |
| 05:28.44 | kaiden | ckknight, hrm, i guess i've seen it in other addons then, could have sworn it was pitbull they were using ;P |
| 05:32.56 | ckknight | possibly agUF |
| 05:35.26 | kaiden | while i have your attention, why the heck do my main tank windows never show ;P |
| 05:35.29 | kaiden | even when they are enabled |
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| 05:41.13 | ckknight | dunno |
| 05:41.19 | ckknight | should show fine |
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| 05:43.11 | kaiden | hrmph, never had it work for me a single time :/ |
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| 05:47.52 | CIA-22 | 03recluse * r48306 10TextSpy/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:47.52 | CIA-22 | TextSpy: feature add |
| 05:47.52 | CIA-22 | - added option to toggle audio per trigger as well as globally |
| 05:52.54 | CIA-22 | 03celellach * r48307 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 05:52.54 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 05:52.54 | CIA-22 | - Added/Fixed BT patterns |
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| 05:54.37 | ckknight | Gremlins 2 is a bit too PG imho |
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| 05:59.31 | ckknight | lol, this is just absurd... |
| 06:01.00 | Wobin_ | Gremlins was pretty creepy for PG |
| 06:01.21 | ckknight | Acid: Do not throw in face |
| 06:01.49 | Wobin_ | I found the mowgli spawning to be remarkably offputing |
| 06:01.57 | Wobin_ | *offputting |
| 06:11.18 | ckknight | how do you mean? |
| 06:11.25 | Recluse | my nephew had nightmares about Gremlins (1) for months |
| 06:16.04 | ckknight | yea, it's a classic |
| 06:18.27 | ckknight | lol, it's like the second one is just a parody of the first |
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| 06:32.15 | orionshock | ugh.. moved character to a new server... wee get to setup all my mods .. again >.> |
| 06:32.42 | ckknight | orionshock: you don't have to |
| 06:32.46 | ckknight | just fix your WTF |
| 06:32.53 | ckknight | change the folder names |
| 06:33.12 | orionshock | meh, too much work.. besides 90% of them are ace :D |
| 06:33.23 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:07.16 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight 07Rock * r48308 10Parrot/Parrot/Code/Triggers.lua: Parrot_Triggers - fix a bug with the new config system. |
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| 07:39.16 | art3mis | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 07:55.29 | ramoz | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472370 |
| 07:55.31 | ramoz | LOL! |
| 07:56.26 | art3mis | hahahahahaha |
| 07:56.44 | art3mis | best bug report evah! |
| 07:57.47 | CIA-22 | 03pb_ee1 * r48309 10Elephant/Core.lua: Elephant: Updating default catching values for events. |
| 07:57.54 | pb_ee1 | Morning. |
| 07:59.05 | pb_ee1 | rofl ramoz |
| 07:59.29 | ramoz | :D |
| 07:59.59 | nevcairiel | why can everyone commit, but i time out when connecting to svn *grumble |
| 08:01.12 | Corgan | rofl that bug report |
| 08:02.15 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/test.png <-- how im skinning wow frames for my hello kitty ui |
| 08:02.52 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
| 08:03.03 | sag_ich_nicht | need more screenshots of that art3mis |
| 08:03.18 | art3mis | heh once its fully skinned i will ;) |
| 08:03.35 | ZealotOnAStick | I have to ask, art3mis, what possessed you to create such a monstrosity? |
| 08:03.42 | art3mis | ill prolly redo the bottom panel too since by the time im done ill be comfortable using gimp |
| 08:04.02 | art3mis | ZealotOnAStick: an offhanded comment about a hello kitty ui in the ui forum |
| 08:04.12 | art3mis | and how it didnt exist ;P |
| 08:04.32 | art3mis | it seemed like a great waste of my time ;P |
| 08:04.38 | ZealotOnAStick | It's provided my guild with entertainment. I informed one of our mages I found the perfect UI for him. |
| 08:04.45 | art3mis | plus it's almost girly enough to get chicks to play ;P |
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| 08:04.57 | art3mis | i almost boxed it up as a paladin ui ;P |
| 08:05.12 | pb_ee1 | lol |
| 08:05.42 | ZealotOnAStick | one of our female priest plauyers in the guild remarked "That's actually the default interface if you roll a Blood Elf Male." |
| 08:05.49 | art3mis | hah |
| 08:07.37 | Grum | art3mis: those colors ... beautiful!! O.o |
| 08:07.39 | Corgan | I have a blood elf mail :( |
| 08:07.40 | Corgan | er |
| 08:07.42 | Corgan | male |
| 08:07.46 | Corgan | wtf...mail... |
| 08:07.50 | Grum | emale! |
| 08:08.05 | Grum | dont go to hotmale.com though =D |
| 08:08.15 | Thiana- | Is there a way of telling who cast a particular renew/etc on you when you have 2 or more of them at once? |
| 08:08.38 | Grum | no |
| 08:09.15 | Grum | well .. mmm i think the hot-ticks themselve have the name in it |
| 08:09.50 | art3mis | whats the commandline to reset yer chatframes? |
| 08:10.05 | Shadowed | You can't specifically link a HoT to a person, you can figure out who cast it on you assuming you aren't at 100% the entire time |
| 08:11.11 | Thiana- | The ticks only tell me after the effect though, I want to know in advance so I can predict overheals so I can do extra lifetaps on my warlock. |
| 08:11.12 | ckknight | lol, ramoz |
| 08:11.24 | art3mis | ckk |
| 08:11.30 | ckknight | yes? |
| 08:11.31 | art3mis | commandline to reset chatframe |
| 08:11.37 | art3mis | ready go! |
| 08:11.37 | ckknight | no idea |
| 08:13.40 | vithos | i think prat has a /clear |
| 08:13.51 | vithos | or.. that's probably not what you mean by reset |
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| 08:34.12 | orionshock | anyone know what debuglib actualy does? |
| 08:36.07 | Punkie` | never heard of it |
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| 08:43.23 | abbat_w | morning guys |
| 08:43.52 | CIA-22 | 03nevcairiel 07Alpha * r48310 10Ace3/ (AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua AceEvent-3.0/AceEvent-3.0.lua): |
| 08:43.52 | CIA-22 | Ace3 - |
| 08:43.52 | CIA-22 | - reworked some parts of AceAddon-3.0 to be more consistent with the other libraries |
| 08:43.52 | CIA-22 | - small optimizations to AceEvent-3.0 |
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| 08:49.08 | sag_ich_nicht | any paladin here that has specced imp. conc. aura? |
| 08:51.23 | Grum | holy ones |
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| 08:59.48 | sag_ich_nicht | need to know what the conc. aura tooltip says after you speced imp |
| 09:01.55 | Grum | cant you just 'inspect' the talent tree? |
| 09:03.30 | Corgan | The blizzard tooltips for buffs and auras don't changed based on talents |
| 09:03.56 | Corgan | They're lazy :) |
| 09:04.09 | Xinhuan | actually they do. |
| 09:04.16 | Xinhuan | the mana cost, casting time, etc changes in the tooltips |
| 09:04.28 | Corgan | I meant on the actually buffs |
| 09:04.45 | Xinhuan | he wants the tooltip on the spell, not the buff ;p |
| 09:04.55 | Corgan | mmhmm |
| 09:05.48 | Corgan | I didn't read it that way |
| 09:06.42 | CIA-22 | 03jerry * r48311 10PitBull_AltAura/update.lua: PitBull_AltAura: some cleanup and debuff size is now affected by the snap option. |
| 09:09.49 | Nickenyfiken | hehe Ace3 devs don't seems to agree on where to have spaces in the code :-) |
| 09:10.08 | Grum | 'where to have spaces' ? |
| 09:10.50 | Nickenyfiken | in argument list for functions for example |
| 09:10.55 | nevcairiel | that happens when multiple devs work on one project.. but i try to keep it clean |
| 09:11.05 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel is our style control |
| 09:11.13 | Grum | well Nickenyfiken based on that information then we can say Ace3 sucks badly ;D |
| 09:11.50 | Xinhuan | you mean like if (abc) then // if abc then // if ( abc ) then ? |
| 09:11.53 | Xinhuan | is that what you mean? |
| 09:11.54 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 09:12.01 | nevcairiel | basicly |
| 09:12.09 | nevcairiel | we try to keep one style |
| 09:12.12 | Nickenyfiken | haha no. I just know how painful it is when you have to 'fix' the code because other devs prefer another style |
| 09:12.30 | [Ammo] | it's a neckbreaking issue |
| 09:12.33 | [Ammo] | we'll fight over it I bet |
| 09:12.51 | Nickenyfiken | I prefer the nevcairiel style hehe |
| 09:12.56 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 09:13.00 | nevcairiel | so do i *shrug |
| 09:13.07 | [Ammo] | I don't |
| 09:13.12 | [Ammo] | but that's just cause i hate germans |
| 09:13.16 | orionshock | ... so i was thinking the other day... it's just a game , why do people have to be so serious about addons n' shit? /WHY THE DRAMA??/ |
| 09:13.19 | Nickenyfiken | rofl |
| 09:13.20 | nevcairiel | a shut up |
| 09:13.33 | rophy | ask the one who started it? |
| 09:13.45 | evl | omg drama! |
| 09:13.52 | nevcairiel | dramallama |
| 09:13.57 | Nickenyfiken | Blizzard should lock the UI so there will be no more addon framework drama |
| 09:14.02 | rophy | because if there is no drama, popcorn sellers cannot make a living |
| 09:14.04 | Nickenyfiken | or threatmeter drama |
| 09:14.42 | Grum | there is no threatmeter drama ... KTM SUCKS and Threat-1.0 rawks! |
| 09:14.43 | rophy | obviously popcorn sellers are the one who hide behind and made all these happen |
| 09:15.14 | krka | it's funny when addon authors try to make frameworks and projects with the same seriousness as real life&death-handling software |
| 09:15.54 | Corgan | hrmm |
| 09:16.11 | Grum | how 'slow' is lua if you put something in a function compared to doing it inline? |
| 09:16.19 | Corgan | I need a good bag addon... |
| 09:16.29 | rophy | I still use baggins |
| 09:16.34 | Nickenyfiken | Corgan: OneBag |
| 09:16.35 | Corgan | baggins is awesome... |
| 09:16.47 | nevcairiel | Grum: depends, if you only use that once, do it inline, if you use it multiple times, go for a local func |
| 09:16.50 | Grum | hmm and accessing tables versus variables |
| 09:16.50 | Corgan | I just need some good catagories |
| 09:16.50 | Xinhuan | the default UI's 5 bag system is good enough for me :) |
| 09:17.15 | rophy | just make some good categories then? |
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| 09:17.23 | Nickenyfiken | hehe if i hade to pick just one addon to use with WoW it would be OneBag i think |
| 09:17.23 | Corgan | takes too long and i'm lazy |
| 09:17.24 | Corgan | :) |
| 09:17.28 | orionshock | if u can't use one bag then you have out of game issues that you need to sort out |
| 09:17.32 | Nickenyfiken | or maybe bartender |
| 09:17.35 | krka | from fast to slow: constants, local variables, upvalues, table fetching |
| 09:17.37 | Punkie` | hehe |
| 09:17.41 | Grum | well atm i use something like: local function vect(a,b) return { a[X]-b[X], a[Y]-b[Y] } end |
| 09:17.46 | Corgan | I wouldn't be able to NOT use bartender |
| 09:17.46 | Punkie` | bartender would be my choice i think :P |
| 09:17.48 | rophy | I dont think there will have any bag addon which have exactly the categorization you want, unless you write one yourself. |
| 09:18.13 | krka | Grum: that's retarded :P |
| 09:18.22 | Grum | not really, makes it really readable tbh :P |
| 09:18.34 | Grum | and X/Y are 1/2 ofc :) |
| 09:18.55 | krka | one table for each vector? |
| 09:18.56 | krka | ouch |
| 09:19.39 | orionshock | table / variable... minor difference iirc |
| 09:19.46 | Xinhuan | err Grum |
| 09:19.54 | krka | what do you mean with variable there orionshock? |
| 09:20.05 | Xinhuan | its better if you tables a[] and b[] have a metatable method for adding/subtracting from each other |
| 09:20.08 | Xinhuan | keeps it cleaner |
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| 09:20.23 | Grum | right .. more overhead and fuzzyness |
| 09:20.25 | orionshock | table has many variables; variables are just single values of one sort or another |
| 09:20.31 | Xinhuan | then you can just write a - b |
| 09:20.37 | Xinhuan | instead of vect(a, b) |
| 09:20.41 | Grum | i dont care for *that* level of neatness |
| 09:20.53 | Xinhuan | remember code is meant to be readable |
| 09:20.57 | krka | i'd personally just do: ax - bx, ay - by |
| 09:21.07 | krka | or: |
| 09:21.10 | Grum | this still is very readable |
| 09:21.29 | krka | function sub(ax, ay, bx, by) return ax - bx, ay - by end |
| 09:21.41 | Nickenyfiken | Is FishEye doing "--[[ $Id: AceAddon-3.0.lua 48310 2007-09-06 08:43:47Z nevcairiel $ ]]"? |
| 09:21.46 | Xinhuan | i would prefer to go the __subtract metamethod and use (a - b) (personal opinion!) |
| 09:22.04 | Grum | i dont because then i have to remember which of the tables are special |
| 09:22.06 | nevcairiel | Nickenyfiken: nah, we're addong that tags to the file, and SVN does that then |
| 09:22.20 | Grum | overloading magic only works if it *really* cleans out the code |
| 09:22.25 | Grum | i use that function like 4 times orso |
| 09:22.38 | Nickenyfiken | nevcairiel: ah ok |
| 09:22.41 | Xinhuan | i don't know how often you use vectors in your code hehe |
| 09:22.53 | krka | i used to store vectors as tables in autotravel... it created garbage like crazy, but it was semi-pretty |
| 09:23.05 | krka | i changed to simple local variables, much much faster |
| 09:23.13 | Grum | hence my question |
| 09:23.18 | krka | and no garbage |
| 09:23.30 | Grum | you still have 'local variable' garbage |
| 09:23.46 | krka | .. |
| 09:23.54 | krka | wtf do you mean by that? |
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| 09:23.55 | Grum | but yes way less than something else ;D |
| 09:24.00 | krka | do you even know how lua works? |
| 09:24.03 | Xinhuan | local variable garbage is on the stack frame and has no garbage |
| 09:24.20 | Grum | why are tables so retardely implemented then? |
| 09:24.26 | krka | they're not |
| 09:24.31 | krka | that's quite nicely implemented |
| 09:24.33 | Grum | out of scope should be collected |
| 09:24.38 | Grum | same with any other locals |
| 09:24.43 | krka | ... |
| 09:24.47 | Xinhuan | tables persist because they are objects |
| 09:24.49 | krka | tables are values, not variables |
| 09:24.54 | Grum | lol O.o |
| 09:25.14 | Grum | do local table = {1,2} end .. and now i have garbage? |
| 09:25.20 | nevcairiel | yup |
| 09:25.21 | krka | yes |
| 09:25.24 | Grum | LOOOLLLL |
| 09:25.28 | Grum | oh that explains something :D |
| 09:25.30 | abbat_w | why lol? |
| 09:25.42 | abbat_w | it's standard way to make gc ;) |
| 09:25.42 | Grum | after end it's out of scope .. so ditch it and collect it |
| 09:25.47 | nevcairiel | local a,b = 1,2 .. clean :P |
| 09:25.51 | krka | it does collect it after a while |
| 09:25.56 | krka | it's a garbage collecting language |
| 09:26.04 | abbat_w | if data doesn't have any reference, data can be collected |
| 09:26.05 | Grum | perl does that a lot better then ;D |
| 09:26.20 | abbat_w | Grum, perl gc work like lua gc |
| 09:26.20 | krka | right |
| 09:26.35 | krka | in soviet russia, garbage creates YOU |
| 09:26.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:26.47 | abbat_w | russian not soviet |
| 09:27.01 | Punkie` | abbat_w: it is a joke btw :) |
| 09:27.03 | Grum | hmm so: do local table = {1,2} end is clean and local storage = {} do local table = {1,2}; storage.table = table end ? |
| 09:27.07 | abbat_w | crap joke btw |
| 09:27.22 | Punkie` | it's more funny if you are not russian :) |
| 09:27.33 | abbat_w | i'm russian, m8 ;) |
| 09:27.39 | Punkie` | I know |
| 09:27.42 | krka | Grum: every time you have {} you create tables that need to be collected at some point |
| 09:28.00 | Grum | the second it goes out of scope without a reference to it i assumed |
| 09:28.09 | Grum | clearly lua believes differently :) |
| 09:28.14 | abbat_w | every time you have a = b you create a something that need to be collected at some point ;) |
| 09:28.15 | krka | lua does not do any compile time checks to optimize for provable short lived tables |
| 09:28.23 | nevcairiel | they are not instantly collected |
| 09:28.28 | nevcairiel | the gc only runs now and then |
| 09:28.38 | krka | abbat_w: not true |
| 09:28.52 | abbat_w | krka, example please |
| 09:28.58 | Grum | perl does neither but something like: while(1){my $t = {} } will not do anything special where in lua that will eat memory till the gc-treshold gets hit |
| 09:29.00 | krka | local b = 1.23 |
| 09:29.01 | krka | local a = b |
| 09:29.05 | orionshock | someone shoot the author of autobar in the foot, ask himt to implemet a better profile system that makes sence |
| 09:29.06 | krka | no garbage created |
| 09:29.29 | abbat_w | sure? |
| 09:29.32 | krka | yes |
| 09:29.36 | krka | 100% |
| 09:29.37 | nevcairiel | local variables are on the stack |
| 09:29.41 | krka | i wrote my own lua VM |
| 09:29.45 | Xinhuan | that's cos that is 2 local variables on the stack frame |
| 09:29.49 | abbat_w | Lua don't create in _G you 'a' and 'b'? |
| 09:29.49 | krka | i have a fairly good grasp of how lua works internally |
| 09:29.51 | Xinhuan | so there is no garbage |
| 09:29.57 | Xinhuan | no abbat |
| 09:30.05 | Xinhuan | they only exist in the function's scope on the stack |
| 09:30.09 | Xinhuan | not in global space |
| 09:30.17 | abbat_w | ah, sorry, i miss 'local' definition |
| 09:31.16 | abbat_w | krka ;) |
| 09:31.17 | Xinhuan | whereas a local a = {} will create a table object in memory on the heap, and a local reference to that table address will be on the stack |
| 09:31.34 | abbat_w | in my lua VM i can realise GM as i want ;) |
| 09:31.40 | abbat_w | it's not an example, sorry ;) |
| 09:31.41 | krka | GM? |
| 09:31.42 | Grum | well .. lua is STUPID then .. |
| 09:31.47 | abbat_w | gm == gc, sorry |
| 09:31.47 | Grum | do refcounting and fix your crap |
| 09:31.58 | Xinhuan | it does do it grum. |
| 09:32.00 | krka | Grum: why is it important to you to clean up immediately? |
| 09:32.06 | krka | no, lua doesn't ref-count |
| 09:32.15 | Xinhuan | the moment the function exits, lua knows that there is no more reference to that table in the heap |
| 09:32.25 | Xinhuan | it just doesn't release that memory immediately, that's all |
| 09:32.26 | Grum | well .. bah |
| 09:32.32 | Grum | now i have to rewrite it completely |
| 09:32.34 | Xinhuan | because its faster to release it all at one go in a single pass |
| 09:32.42 | abbat_w | why lua should realise immediatly? |
| 09:32.49 | Grum | why wouldn't it? |
| 09:32.53 | Xinhuan | because its faster to release it all at one go in a single pass |
| 09:32.55 | krka | i think lua is a very well designed language. i only have a couple of minor complaints with it |
| 09:32.56 | Grum | it has no reference anymore .. so why keep it |
| 09:33.01 | nevcairiel | Grum: reuse tables and save memory :P |
| 09:33.15 | Grum | well table access is also slower than normal access O.o |
| 09:33.23 | krka | Grum: it will delete it, not just instantly afterwords |
| 09:33.24 | abbat_w | =) |
| 09:33.26 | Grum | is that a big hit btw? |
| 09:33.27 | Xinhuan | because its faster to release it all at one go in a single pass - there is memory fragmentation issues if you release it as you go |
| 09:33.35 | abbat_w | You wrote real time app on lua or what? |
| 09:33.48 | krka | that would be very expensive, to ensure memory freeing upon all potential places where a reference may have been lost |
| 09:34.24 | Grum | ah well i'll get a round it |
| 09:34.29 | Grum | wont look pretty :D |
| 09:34.31 | krka | at every return and at every variable assignment, it would have to run a full gc sweep |
| 09:34.36 | krka | great idea Grum |
| 09:34.45 | Grum | whats the cost of doing a table access versus just using variables? |
| 09:35.03 | krka | a table access is much more expensive than using a local variable |
| 09:35.22 | krka | a global variable is approximiately the same as a table lookup |
| 09:35.31 | Xinhuan | difference is a few times more expensive, but keeps code more organised |
| 09:35.50 | Grum | yes but on calculations that have to be fast .. it's not acceptable to take that losses |
| 09:35.59 | Grum | i need to do as many calculations as possible per second O.o |
| 09:36.03 | abbat_w | Grum, don't think about early optimisation ;) |
| 09:36.06 | krka | it's generally accepted to do all calculations in local variables |
| 09:36.10 | Xinhuan | then use pure variables - no tables |
| 09:36.16 | Grum | abbat_w: i am not - it is finished and slow now |
| 09:36.18 | abbat_w | If you have bottleneck at part of you code you can rewrote it later |
| 09:36.20 | Xinhuan | use 100 locals if you need to |
| 09:36.21 | Grum | so now i need to optimize |
| 09:36.27 | Xinhuan | (but there's a 200 locals limit) |
| 09:36.32 | Grum | LOL |
| 09:36.35 | Grum | seriously? O.o |
| 09:36.37 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 09:36.42 | abbat_w | 200 locals? |
| 09:36.45 | krka | Xinhuan: are you sure? |
| 09:36.45 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 09:36.48 | nevcairiel | you get a funny stack overflow error then |
| 09:36.55 | Grum | lol :D |
| 09:36.59 | Xinhuan | LUA only allows you a maximum of 200 locals in a function |
| 09:37.00 | krka | isn't that just for function calls? |
| 09:37.02 | Grum | nice to know but i wont get close to run into that :D |
| 09:37.03 | krka | hm |
| 09:37.07 | abbat_w | wait |
| 09:37.08 | Xinhuan | its a constant defined in LLIMITS.h |
| 09:37.16 | abbat_w | total 200 locals at one scope? |
| 09:37.21 | Xinhuan | yes abbat |
| 09:37.23 | abbat_w | include up lvl locals? |
| 09:37.27 | Xinhuan | not sure about that |
| 09:37.34 | krka | only 60 upvalues per function |
| 09:37.42 | krka | i.e. you're only allowed to reference 60 upvalues |
| 09:37.43 | Xinhuan | but i'm fairly certain we cannot change the 200 locals value in WOW's lua sandbox |
| 09:37.53 | Xinhuan | like i said, 200 is a constant defined in LLIMITS.h |
| 09:37.55 | Grum | hmmm explain 'upvalues' in 1 sentence please .. i can grasp it partly .. ;D |
| 09:38.09 | nevcairiel | local variables defined in a upper scope |
| 09:38.16 | Xinhuan | upvalues is when you access a variable that is defined in an enclosing scope |
| 09:38.30 | krka | local upvalueToF = 1; function f() return upvalueToF end |
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| 09:38.50 | Xinhuan | so in krka's example, upvalueToF is neither a global, nor a local |
| 09:38.51 | krka | Xinhuan: not true, it must be outside the function |
| 09:38.54 | Xinhuan | in the function f() |
| 09:39.01 | krka | Xinhuan: it's local to everything in the same function |
| 09:39.03 | Grum | how expensive are function calls? :) |
| 09:39.07 | krka | and upvalues to inner functions |
| 09:39.20 | krka | not very expensive |
| 09:39.58 | Grum | because it seems i should change: local function vect(a,b) return { a[X]-b[X], a[Y]-b[Y] } to: local dx = se-ex; local dy=sy-ey |
| 09:40.00 | abbat_w | depends |
| 09:40.14 | abbat_w | function with (...) can be more expensive |
| 09:40.19 | Grum | eventhough that will make the code look *completely* horrible O.o |
| 09:40.23 | Xinhuan | functin calls are fairly expensive compared to inline code, since you have to create a stack frame, with a return address. lua also has to adjust the number of return values to match the assignment outside |
| 09:40.33 | krka | function with ... isn't really much more expensive |
| 09:40.37 | krka | using select is expensive |
| 09:40.53 | abbat_w | oh btw! |
| 09:40.55 | abbat_w | wait guys |
| 09:41.15 | abbat_w | Some mods have new() newHash() etc functions for recycle tables |
| 09:41.24 | abbat_w | some of them use select() |
| 09:41.45 | Xinhuan | yah, they are fairly inefficient because they are designed to be for "general use" |
| 09:41.48 | Grum | new() newHash() ? :) |
| 09:41.54 | abbat_w | what have bigger cost, select() using or memory for new tables? |
| 09:41.54 | Xinhuan | compared to specific code for your purpose |
| 09:41.56 | Grum | *googles* |
| 09:42.05 | nevcairiel | if you recycle, create a very specific cache |
| 09:42.07 | krka | basically, every time you reference ... in a function, it has to copy every parameter to local variables |
| 09:42.07 | nevcairiel | dont use that stuff |
| 09:42.25 | krka | yeah, generic recycling is crap |
| 09:42.34 | abbat_w | for example |
| 09:42.35 | abbat_w | do |
| 09:42.35 | abbat_w | local list = setmetatable({}, {__mode='k'}) |
| 09:42.35 | abbat_w | function new(...) |
| 09:42.35 | abbat_w | local t = next(list) |
| 09:42.35 | abbat_w | if t then |
| 09:42.36 | abbat_w | list[t] = nil |
| 09:42.38 | abbat_w | for i = 1, select('#', ...) do |
| 09:42.40 | abbat_w | t[i] = select(i, ...) |
| 09:42.40 | krka | it was crappy before TBC came, and it's even crappier now |
| 09:42.42 | abbat_w | end |
| 09:42.44 | abbat_w | return t |
| 09:42.46 | abbat_w | else |
| 09:42.47 | nevcairiel | meh l2pastey |
| 09:42.48 | abbat_w | return { ... } |
| 09:42.48 | krka | thanks for long code paste |
| 09:42.50 | abbat_w | end |
| 09:42.52 | abbat_w | end |
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| 09:42.56 | Grum | lol |
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| 09:42.58 | nevcairiel | thanks |
| 09:43.00 | abbat_w | sorry ;) |
| 09:43.00 | Grum | just when he finishes |
| 09:43.02 | starlon | ... |
| 09:43.18 | abbat_w | this is an example |
| 09:43.31 | abbat_w | one side - table recycling, other side - efficiently |
| 09:43.34 | abbat_w | what better? |
| 09:43.40 | krka | that was a retarded piece of code, imo |
| 09:43.41 | starlon | Use http://ace.pastey.net for that shit |
| 09:44.00 | abbat_w | krka, look at AceCodeModule-2.0 |
| 09:44.07 | krka | why? |
| 09:44.09 | Xinhuan | abbat_w: it is better to recycle (usually), but create specific code for it |
| 09:44.12 | nevcairiel | AceCodeModule-2.0? never heard of that |
| 09:44.59 | nevcairiel | recycling is good for small tables, where you know the size and all |
| 09:45.07 | nevcairiel | let big tables be eaten by the gc |
| 09:45.21 | Xinhuan | for example, if one of your functions uses a particular table repeatedly say info = {} (for using the default UI's dropdownmenu), then just reuse that one single table |
| 09:45.39 | krka | use custom recycling like this instead: |
| 09:45.40 | krka | http://lua.pastey.net/73476 |
| 09:45.52 | krka | also: i agree with nevcairiel |
| 09:46.45 | Grum | i might start using one of those caches |
| 09:46.53 | Xinhuan | you can usually reuse a table by overwriting the values |
| 09:47.05 | Xinhuan | the old values that is |
| 09:47.23 | Grum | atm i store my data in worldmap X/Y (so [0,1]) but when i need to draw on the minimap in need them in yards O.o |
| 09:47.31 | Grum | doing that calculation every time is costly |
| 09:47.35 | krka | yup, if you manually keep track of its size, you dont even need to clear it |
| 09:47.56 | krka | costly?t |
| 09:47.57 | abbat_w | hmmm |
| 09:48.04 | krka | that's just a multiplication and an addition |
| 09:48.06 | abbat_w | look at IterateModules() function |
| 09:48.17 | abbat_w | this is code what i pase - from function |
| 09:48.20 | abbat_w | ace2 libs btw |
| 09:48.25 | nevcairiel | thats what we do in AceTimer-3.0 now, its a simple table with 5 keys or so, we always use the same keys, so we dont even nil the fields |
| 09:48.33 | Grum | krka: do it *ever* frameupdate .. and it gets costly |
| 09:48.45 | Grum | especially if you have to do it for every single point you have on the map |
| 09:48.47 | krka | i have code that runs every frame update without problem |
| 09:49.01 | abbat_w | AceModuleCore-2.0, function IterateModules() |
| 09:49.04 | Xinhuan | grum, i think you are overly fixated on optimizing the OnUpdate() |
| 09:49.12 | Xinhuan | computers these days aren't THAT slow |
| 09:49.15 | Grum | erm |
| 09:49.20 | Grum | i *HAVE* a performance problem |
| 09:49.28 | Grum | so i have to optimize it :) |
| 09:49.29 | Xinhuan | we're talking about computers that can run wow and do millions of calculations per second |
| 09:49.45 | Grum | yes and still i get wow on his knees with only 200-300 line sections on the worldmap |
| 09:49.51 | krka | make a lookuptable with coordinate grids |
| 09:49.59 | krka | so you only have to look at the points that are nearby |
| 09:50.06 | krka | that'd be the best optimization, imo |
| 09:50.10 | Grum | that will not work tbh |
| 09:50.22 | krka | why not? |
| 09:50.25 | Xinhuan | grum: that would probably not be because of the calculatins, but more because when you draw the lines on screen |
| 09:50.33 | Xinhuan | the UI has to figure out which frame is on top of each other |
| 09:50.46 | Xinhuan | and the more frames you have, it gets exponential |
| 09:50.47 | krka | depends on how naive the calculations are |
| 09:50.52 | Grum | krka: 'nearby' has no value if you need to do intersection math |
| 09:51.10 | Grum | unless you are intersecting with a circle |
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| 09:51.16 | krka | first ensure that every line is at most one grid-length long |
| 09:51.21 | Xinhuan | if you time your OnUpdates, you'll probably find your calculations take nearly no time, and its the drawing on screen by the UI that is taking the hit |
| 09:51.25 | krka | then only check in grids at are nearby the player for points |
| 09:51.31 | krka | works for me |
| 09:51.53 | Grum | so what about a point that is on the complete left edge and one on the complete right one |
| 09:51.59 | Grum | it still intersects my 'area of intrest' |
| 09:52.05 | Xinhuan | for example, when you drag frames over one another, sometimes the UI freezes - have you experienced this? |
| 09:52.09 | Grum | and those points are at the complete edges |
| 09:52.13 | Xinhuan | freezes for a while |
| 09:52.16 | Grum | nope |
| 09:52.28 | Grum | just my framerate drops from 120->~8 |
| 09:52.28 | krka | Grum: like i said, split lines into smaller lines |
| 09:52.33 | Grum | lol |
| 09:52.37 | Grum | you know how painful that is? |
| 09:52.42 | krka | or... you can even assign lines to grids |
| 09:52.45 | krka | it's easy |
| 09:52.47 | Grum | that even requires *more* math |
| 09:52.54 | Grum | and more iteration :( |
| 09:52.58 | krka | for each line, add a reference to it for each grid it belongs to |
| 09:52.59 | Xinhuan | xperl raid frames used to lag on EVERY person zoning in and out of an instance - because the raid frames included "toplevel=true" |
| 09:53.05 | Xinhuan | removing them removed the issue completely |
| 09:53.09 | abbat_w | i think using grid to represent model of frames good thing |
| 09:53.11 | krka | that's a one time calculation |
| 09:53.13 | Xinhuan | because of the UI drawing capabilities |
| 09:53.14 | Corgan | hrmm |
| 09:53.22 | Corgan | I just made catagories for each equipment slot |
| 09:53.25 | Corgan | @_@ |
| 09:53.34 | krka | more math - but it's only run once per added line |
| 09:53.36 | Grum | krka: that is true |
| 09:53.53 | krka | everything you can remove from the tight loops is a win |
| 09:53.59 | Xinhuan | i am fairly certain the calculations take negligible time |
| 09:54.05 | Xinhuan | its the drawing that brings FPS to a crawl |
| 09:54.06 | Grum | but it will exponentially increase the amount of iterations needed to be done |
| 09:54.28 | Pkekyo|zZz | G'MORNIN ALL :> |
| 09:54.29 | Grum | Xinhuan: the drawing is only 'moving' of frames and sizing them and putting up a new texture i think |
| 09:54.29 | krka | Xinhuan: i have an unoptimized thing now, that just does calculations on a lot of points, without any output what so ever |
| 09:54.34 | krka | it gets slow after a few thousand points |
| 09:54.41 | krka | even though each individual calculation is fairly simple |
| 09:54.50 | Xinhuan | why do you have so many points anyway T_T |
| 09:54.56 | krka | autotravel :P |
| 09:54.58 | Grum | because i have useinput |
| 09:55.00 | Grum | *user |
| 09:56.40 | Grum | and i'm so not going to tell my user: well you have 250 points .. sorry .. you cant add another one |
| 09:57.09 | Xinhuan | alright, how about this, show me a working copy of your code and i'll take a look at it and see if i can make it faster :) |
| 09:58.56 | abbat_w | Guys, can we discuss some more about table recycling? :) Main idea is keep reference to table. This is good for fixed-size tables |
| 09:59.03 | syeren | Does anyone work on Violation here >_>? |
| 09:59.14 | [Ammo] | I try to avoid it lately syeren |
| 09:59.20 | Xinhuan | you got it abbat :) |
| 09:59.22 | abbat_w | But what 'good choice' for x-dimension tables if we don't know something about size? |
| 09:59.26 | syeren | I can't recollor the table header [Ammo] :/ |
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| 09:59.30 | [Ammo] | too many damn users wanting featurecreep X and Y |
| 09:59.32 | syeren | I set it to black and it just resets itself. |
| 09:59.39 | [Ammo] | should be able to |
| 09:59.52 | [Ammo] | probably set it to inherit from default |
| 09:59.56 | [Ammo] | or inherit from module |
| 09:59.59 | [Ammo] | or whatever |
| 10:00.29 | Xinhuan | abbat, you can still easily make a cleartable(t) function that nils every value in the table, then use that table again |
| 10:01.00 | syeren | [Ammo]. http://www.fabrikate.org/store/WoWScrnShot_090607_105201.jpg |
| 10:01.06 | syeren | That's my result from setting it to black >_> |
| 10:01.28 | abbat_w | Xinhuan, but if i don't know table size? After 5-10 min my table can have about 100 keys (for example) |
| 10:01.45 | Xinhuan | abbat: how would that matter |
| 10:01.54 | Punkie` | syeren: tip |
| 10:01.56 | [Ammo] | syeren: what settings? |
| 10:01.57 | abbat_w | empty key doesn't take any memory? |
| 10:01.59 | Punkie` | set it to seethrough |
| 10:02.27 | Xinhuan | if you need to use a new table, you can just make a loop that nils every key-value pair, then do a t[true] = true; t[true] = nil; |
| 10:02.30 | nevcairiel | I have to admit, running the FireFox 3.0 Alpha, the armory is much more fun to browse |
| 10:02.32 | Xinhuan | that will resize the table |
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| 10:02.33 | [Ammo] | syeren: as in does it say: use module color |
| 10:02.37 | nevcairiel | yay for ajax improvements |
| 10:02.54 | syeren | No, I disable it then set it to black. |
| 10:03.00 | [Ammo] | dunno |
| 10:03.03 | syeren | It then ignore what I use, and I can't uncheck the tip >_> |
| 10:03.10 | [Ammo] | probably bugged |
| 10:03.12 | [Ammo] | shrug |
| 10:03.23 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.25 | Corgan | yeah same syeren |
| 10:03.35 | Corgan | though, I'd rather make it transparent |
| 10:03.39 | Xinhuan | grum: depends on size of table |
| 10:03.40 | syeren | I also can't take a screenshot when I'm in the color picker for some reason. |
| 10:03.43 | abbat_w | overhed? why? |
| 10:03.43 | Xinhuan | its good for small tables |
| 10:03.44 | syeren | So would I Corgen ;p |
| 10:03.49 | Corgan | well, I know how to make it transparent |
| 10:03.54 | Xinhuan | small being < 128 keys or so |
| 10:03.56 | abbat_w | Xinhuan, which table is small? |
| 10:03.58 | Corgan | but I would have to redo the edit every time it gets updated |
| 10:04.01 | abbat_w | ah, 128 keys ;) |
| 10:04.04 | abbat_w | hahah ;) |
| 10:04.07 | Corgan | which sucks |
| 10:04.08 | abbat_w | it's big for me ;) |
| 10:04.18 | Xinhuan | you haven't seen huge tables then hehe |
| 10:04.24 | Xinhuan | _G is a huge one |
| 10:04.27 | abbat_w | babble tables |
| 10:04.46 | Corgan | if you're wondering how to make the whole thing transparent, search for f:SetBackdrop(windowBackdrop) and change it to f:SetBackdrop(nil) |
| 10:04.46 | Corgan | @_@ |
| 10:05.04 | syeren | I can change the color of the header via Fubar, but I can't change the background... |
| 10:05.16 | syeren | So I have a light grey background just sticking out >_> |
| 10:05.21 | abbat_w | ok, if i create something like t = { a = 1, tmp = {}} and put into tmp something. it's good to make tmp{} recycled? |
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| 10:05.49 | Grum | nope |
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| 10:06.05 | Grum | according to what i just explained the 'table object' will still exists and that will just overwrite the reference to it |
| 10:06.09 | syeren | I can't log out to edit the file Corgan, my Inner Focus has been bugged for the last 5 hours \o/ |
| 10:06.16 | Corgan | lol |
| 10:06.17 | Grum | LOL |
| 10:06.29 | Grum | you have IC for 5hrs? |
| 10:06.31 | abbat_w | :) |
| 10:06.45 | abbat_w | looks like pom bug ;) |
| 10:06.54 | Corgan | I wish the windows were given names |
| 10:06.56 | syeren | I've had a 93% crit rate and 100% reduction in mana cost on my spells :p |
| 10:07.02 | abbat_w | bah, you got unlimited presence of mind ;) |
| 10:07.06 | Corgan | rofl |
| 10:07.09 | abbat_w | sure no one log out ;) |
| 10:07.18 | abbat_w | fun to run at bg with this ;) |
| 10:07.40 | Corgan | If violation windows were given names, I could make it transparent on login |
| 10:07.52 | syeren | Probably gets removed when I Zone abbat_w ;p |
| 10:08.04 | Corgan | like i do with the text underneath omen |
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| 10:08.46 | Zekiel | Got a quick Q about secure frame limitations before I start coding a SmartAssist successor. |
| 10:09.01 | Comxx | [Antiarc] are you up ? |
| 10:09.40 | Zekiel | WHat are the limitations about clicking on an addon's frame to target during combat? |
| 10:10.23 | syeren | If the frame is made in combat, it isn't secure. |
| 10:10.28 | syeren | I think ;p |
| 10:10.32 | Xinhuan | what do you mean zek? |
| 10:10.45 | abbat_w | ah, btw guys. it's lag or buff/debuff icon at target have some delay after ability (or something else used) and icon be shows? |
| 10:10.49 | syeren | Or that's what my arena frames experiences have lead me to believe ;p |
| 10:10.53 | Zekiel | In short I want to figure out a way to restor a list of all the mobs during a fight and know if they are targetting me or not (tank). Clicking on them would select that mob so i can taunt and get back aggro |
| 10:10.58 | Nickenyfiken | You have to define who it's going to target before combat |
| 10:11.13 | Xinhuan | don't think you can do that |
| 10:11.18 | Nickenyfiken | Nope not possible |
| 10:11.26 | Zekiel | Ok nicke (hejsan) So what if I crfeate the frames using raid icons before combat? |
| 10:11.28 | abbat_w | for example, i hit target with frostbolt, but debuff icon on target shows not immediatly but after some short time |
| 10:11.36 | Xinhuan | you can only define secure frames on defined "unitIDs" |
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| 10:12.21 | Zekiel | Is a raid target a valid UnitID? |
| 10:12.22 | Hjalte | I know this is OT, but if you've read 1984 by Geroge Orwell and is interested in the political situation of USA.. This website is great http://www.studentsfororwell.org/ |
| 10:12.29 | abbat_w | Zekiel, yes |
| 10:12.35 | Xinhuan | yes, raid35target is a valid unitID |
| 10:12.39 | Xinhuan | as an example |
| 10:12.48 | Xinhuan | but only if raid35 exists |
| 10:12.50 | abbat_w | mob name not a valid unitID? |
| 10:12.55 | Xinhuan | nope abbat |
| 10:13.00 | abbat_w | Hmm... |
| 10:13.07 | abbat_w | but player name valid |
| 10:13.08 | Zekiel | So I could have a prephase that grabs all the expected targets, create frames for all of them, and them monitor thos targets for what they are hitting? |
| 10:13.33 | abbat_w | Zekiel, yes |
| 10:13.40 | Zekiel | Then click on any of the frames to target? |
| 10:13.43 | abbat_w | You can look at Proximo |
| 10:13.46 | Xinhuan | if you have 25 raid members, then you would have to create 25 raidxxtarget unitframes |
| 10:13.55 | Xinhuan | proximo isn't a unitframe |
| 10:13.55 | Nickenyfiken | I think someone in the party/raid have to have the unit targeted |
| 10:14.03 | Zekiel | oh... |
| 10:14.05 | Xinhuan | proximo is just a button with type=macro |
| 10:14.15 | abbat_w | This is addon for areana. Before you enter combat, you can define spells which you can cast by click on enemy frame |
| 10:14.19 | Xinhuan | and the actual macroaction = "/tar playername" |
| 10:14.33 | Xinhuan | since you cannot modify the macroaction in combat on a securebutton |
| 10:14.57 | Xinhuan | you can't use that button to click on a person that you see after you enter combat |
| 10:14.57 | krka | Xinhuan: interesting... how does that force a resize? |
| 10:15.09 | abbat_w | Xinhuan, yes |
| 10:15.15 | Xinhuan | you can resize just before entering combat |
| 10:15.17 | Xinhuan | but not in combat |
| 10:15.18 | Zekiel | So if nobody is targetting the mob during combat, there is no way to get info on it? even if I tagetted it before and added a raid icon? |
| 10:15.25 | Xinhuan | ya zek that is correct |
| 10:15.34 | Xinhuan | someone must target the mob to get info on it |
| 10:15.39 | abbat_w | Xinhuan, you can't use if macro not defined. But macros for buttons defined before you enter combat |
| 10:15.41 | Zekiel | crap, thank you... Just miss my SmartAssist still |
| 10:15.45 | abbat_w | Each button have they own name |
| 10:15.52 | abbat_w | they own macro |
| 10:16.13 | Xinhuan | you can change the text and stuff on the button in combat, change how it looks/reads, etc, but you can't change what the CLICK action does on it abbat |
| 10:16.22 | Xinhuan | so after you enter combat, you can still change the text |
| 10:16.25 | Zekiel | The click would always just select it |
| 10:16.29 | Xinhuan | but you can't change the click-action on it |
| 10:16.31 | Zekiel | then I taunt myself |
| 10:16.32 | Xinhuan | until you exit combat |
| 10:16.52 | abbat_w | It's not hard do define button for every mob? |
| 10:17.31 | abbat_w | Hmm... |
| 10:17.48 | Xinhuan | zek, don't make xperl too complex :) |
| 10:18.06 | syeren | xpearl ewwwwwwwww |
| 10:18.07 | Zekiel | Still sounds possible to crate pre-buttons for all the raid icon tragets and monitor these slots IF anyone has them selected to make sure they are hitting a tank... |
| 10:18.08 | syeren | >_< |
| 10:18.34 | Xinhuan | yes that's possible, with those limitations as above |
| 10:18.42 | krka | Xinhuan: how do you force a rehash of a table? |
| 10:18.46 | Zekiel | In short I just need to know if a mob is NOT hitton me and the ability to select it |
| 10:18.53 | Xinhuan | rehash? |
| 10:19.08 | Zekiel | So you would think it's a possible addon? |
| 10:19.23 | abbat_w | in first part maybe not |
| 10:19.32 | krka | <Xinhuan> if you need to use a new table, you can just make a loop that nils every key-value pair, then do a t[true] = true; t[true] = nil; |
| 10:19.55 | Xinhuan | on that - i'm not actually certain if it actually resizes it |
| 10:20.26 | krka | from what i understand, i think lua keeps a "current pointer" in a table, to know where to insert new nodes. and it only resizes when it reaches the end of it |
| 10:20.27 | Xinhuan | ckknight claims it did, and he's usually right |
| 10:20.52 | abbat_w | krka, look at Parrot.lua |
| 10:21.05 | abbat_w | ckknight make some functions to recycle tables |
| 10:21.08 | krka | abbat_w: why? does it include some proof of it? |
| 10:21.33 | Xinhuan | i think there's some evidence that resizing occurs on numerically indexed tables, but not hashed ones |
| 10:21.41 | Xinhuan | when you index a __newindex |
| 10:22.21 | krka | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2002-03/msg00068.html |
| 10:22.29 | krka | i think that is more trustworty |
| 10:23.25 | krka | you'd have to add colliding elements until the counter reaches 0, then it would be rehashed |
| 10:23.30 | cryogen | wowace.com down for anyone else? |
| 10:23.49 | abbat_w | works fine for me |
| 10:23.51 | Xinhuan | basically, its pretty complex and you don't need all that detail rofl |
| 10:23.53 | krka | personally i dont really see the need to rehash the table immediately |
| 10:24.08 | abbat_w | yeah |
| 10:24.16 | krka | it will happen automatically after the table have had enough collisions of new insertions |
| 10:24.25 | abbat_w | message from lua geek filled with technical detail ;) |
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| 10:27.23 | cryogen | hmm yup |
| 10:27.38 | cryogen | my traffic to wowace.com(and some other sites) seems to be disappearing inside telia's network |
| 10:27.41 | cryogen | yay for telia |
| 10:28.15 | abbat_w | nevcairiel, some times ago you told about table recycling in ace3timer |
| 10:28.32 | abbat_w | it is possible to see how you realise this? |
| 10:29.11 | Nickenyfiken | Look at the code? |
| 10:31.07 | abbat_w | where i can find it? |
| 10:31.38 | [Ammo] | that is very specific recycling |
| 10:31.47 | [Ammo] | it's in branches/ace3/alpha |
| 10:32.07 | Corgan | hrmm |
| 10:32.14 | Corgan | that's awesome XD |
| 10:32.21 | Corgan | I logged in on my moonkin |
| 10:32.34 | Corgan | and suddenly, I have staff of infinite mysteries |
| 10:32.48 | Corgan | (my friend must have done kara on my account earlier) @_@ |
| 10:33.02 | abbat_w | And if someone have good tutorial about metatables, maybe 'cookbook' or something else... |
| 10:34.02 | Nickenyfiken | http://www.lua.org/pil/ ? |
| 10:34.12 | Corgan | how odd... |
| 10:34.43 | Xinhuan | i'm happy to try and help optimize code for speed :) |
| 10:34.48 | Nickenyfiken | Corgan: what a surprise |
| 10:34.53 | Corgan | seriously... |
| 10:35.00 | Corgan | lol |
| 10:35.06 | Corgan | Wouldn't you find that odd? |
| 10:35.08 | Corgan | to login to your account |
| 10:35.14 | Corgan | and find a brand new epic |
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| 10:35.15 | Xinhuan | but just keep in mind that in code, speed always comes with a price - memory usage |
| 10:35.18 | abbat_w | Nickenyfiken, huh, never see this url (/pil/). Thank you very much |
| 10:35.45 | Corgan | I'm up to 926 arcane damage unbuffed now tho |
| 10:35.55 | Nickenyfiken | It's like the lua online bible i think |
| 10:35.57 | phyber | Corgan: shouldn't you expect that if you give out your password to people? |
| 10:36.09 | phyber | you should give them your bank details, just to be safe. perhaps they'll win the lottery for you. |
| 10:36.10 | Nickenyfiken | for n00bs like moa |
| 10:36.20 | Corgan | all I know is that I logged in |
| 10:36.22 | Corgan | 6 or so |
| 10:36.23 | Corgan | hours ago |
| 10:36.24 | Nickenyfiken | phyber: lol |
| 10:36.26 | abbat_w | Nickenyfiken, yeah. Looks like. Should also help me too ;) |
| 10:36.36 | Corgan | and didn't have this sexy epic |
| 10:36.57 | Nickenyfiken | ~metatable |
| 10:37.00 | Corgan | Now I do :D |
| 10:37.23 | Xinhuan | what epic is it? |
| 10:37.33 | Corgan | staff of infinite mysteries |
| 10:37.40 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 10:37.58 | abbat_w | you can get arena s2 staff |
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| 10:38.14 | Corgan | bleh |
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| 10:49.59 | CIA-22 | 03ominous * r48312 10Tattle/ (38 files in 38 dirs): Tattle: daily run of the dataminer |
| 10:54.17 | CIA-22 | 03ammo 07Alpha * r48313 10Ace3/ (AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua AceEvent-3.0/AceEvent-3.0.lua): |
| 10:54.17 | CIA-22 | Ace3: ACE-13 |
| 10:54.17 | CIA-22 | - Give AceAddon and AceEvent more elaborative error messages as outlined in jira issue ACE-13 |
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| 10:56.54 | orionshock | this jira thing seems to be making ace3 rather .. cohesive tbh |
| 10:57.58 | CIA-22 | 03nevcairiel 07Alpha * r48314 10Ace3/AceTimer-3.0/AceTimer-3.0.lua: Ace3 - small fixes to AceTimer |
| 10:58.52 | abbat_w | =) |
| 10:59.05 | abbat_w | nevc fix these recycle functions! ;) |
| 10:59.12 | nevcairiel | hm? |
| 10:59.15 | nevcairiel | they are working just fine |
| 11:03.34 | CIA-22 | 03nevcairiel 07Alpha * r48315 10Ace3/AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: Ace3 - typo fix |
| 11:04.58 | CIA-22 | 03durash * r48316 10cht/ (. cht.lua cht.toc gemchat_plugin.lua): |
| 11:04.58 | CIA-22 | cht: |
| 11:04.58 | CIA-22 | - ChannelJoinEvent for GemChatPlugin fixed. |
| 11:04.58 | CIA-22 | - optional dependencies changed to "must have" |
| 11:06.55 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight |
| 11:07.12 | sag_ich_nicht | ~punch ckknight |
| 11:07.13 | purl | ACTION hits ckknight like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
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| 11:09.12 | sag_ich_nicht | you were going to make a purposal or something last night to the other devs |
| 11:09.16 | sag_ich_nicht | then you got a disconnect |
| 11:09.22 | sag_ich_nicht | and never finished what you were going to say |
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| 11:12.20 | sag_ich_nicht | [22:53] <@ckknight> I have a proposition: |
| 11:12.22 | sag_ich_nicht | to quote you |
| 11:12.25 | sag_ich_nicht | then you didn't say anything |
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| 11:14.56 | orionshock | ~seen ckknight |
| 11:14.58 | purl | ckknight is currently on #wowi-lounge (8h 19m 44s) #norganna (8h 19m 44s) #wowace (8h 19m 44s). Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 3h 3m 21s, last said: 'no idea'. |
| 11:15.49 | Xinhuan | ~seen xinhuan |
| 11:15.50 | purl | xinhuan is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace #wowwiki. Has said a total of 617 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen xinhuan'. |
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| 11:19.06 | Nickenyfiken | Isn't it still bedtime in US? |
| 11:19.20 | JoshBorke | no |
| 11:19.29 | JoshBorke | on the eastern coast it is 7:20 |
| 11:19.31 | orionshock | ya it is |
| 11:19.35 | orionshock | .. |
| 11:19.43 | orionshock | im in AZ - it's 4am here |
| 11:22.13 | Pkekyo|zZz | how to do a onmouseover macro? (for shackle) |
| 11:22.48 | Xinhuan | /cast [target=mouseover] Shackle Undead |
| 11:22.56 | Pkekyo|zZz | cheers |
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| 11:27.04 | CIA-22 | 03nevcairiel 07Alpha * r48317 10Ace3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Ace3 - added error messages to AceTimer and AceBucket, see ACE-13 |
| 11:27.55 | orionshock | question : is this viable http://ace.pastey.net/73479 |
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| 11:28.17 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
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| 11:29.06 | nevcairiel | i cant reach pastey for some weird reason |
| 11:29.10 | nevcairiel | so i dont know :P |
| 11:29.12 | Pkekyo | I've forgotten my nickserv pw...any way to recover it? |
| 11:30.55 | CIA-22 | 03nevcairiel 07Alpha * r48318 10Ace3/AceBucket-3.0/AceBucket-3.0.lua: Ace3 - text tuning |
| 11:31.28 | orionshock | im trying to create a table space inside of self.db.profile - what's the best way to do that? |
| 11:32.08 | sag_ich_nicht | ~stab ckknight |
| 11:32.08 | purl | ACTION runs at ckknight with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 11:32.18 | nevcairiel | self.db.profile.mytable = { store, stuff, here } ? |
| 11:33.31 | orionshock | ... ok never mind doing it wrong... |
| 11:33.42 | [Ammo] | cure... BUT IT'S WRONG |
| 11:33.48 | orionshock | Receiving value = Existing value |
| 11:34.05 | Nickenyfiken | orionshock: uiType = WSW.db.profile.wsAU[iTime][i].uiType ? |
| 11:34.15 | Nickenyfiken | swap them? |
| 11:34.18 | orionshock | yes, and it should be reversed |
| 11:34.21 | orionshock | ya just relized that |
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| 11:37.19 | abbat_w | .az |
| 11:37.23 | Nickenyfiken | you can do local tempDBblablabla= WSW.db.profile.wsAU[iTime][i]; |
| 11:37.30 | Nickenyfiken | then tempDBblablabla.uiType = uiType and so on |
| 11:37.30 | abbat_w | where is it, .az? |
| 11:38.31 | phyber | Azerbaijan |
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| 11:39.06 | orionshock | Arizona, it's in the southwest US |
| 11:39.23 | nevcairiel | ~lart orionshock |
| 11:39.23 | purl | puts orionshock through a wood chipper |
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| 11:39.32 | abbat_w | phyber, possible Azerbaijan doesn't have any internet ;) |
| 11:39.34 | orionshock | nooooo |
| 11:39.41 | Disco69 | lol |
| 11:39.52 | nevcairiel | every country got their TLD |
| 11:39.59 | orionshock | ~stab nevcairiel |
| 11:40.00 | purl | ACTION runs at nevcairiel with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 11:40.01 | abbat_w | tld yes |
| 11:40.01 | nevcairiel | doesnt matter if they actually have any internet |
| 11:40.14 | abbat_w | but orionshock on irc ;) |
| 11:41.14 | orionshock | irc implies you have interweb access, google it :P |
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| 11:41.57 | abbat_w | ahah ;) |
| 11:42.23 | orionshock | what am i doing wrong :\ |
| 11:42.55 | phyber | orionshock: it's Azerbaijan, not Arizona :p |
| 11:42.57 | abbat_w | i know what |
| 11:43.09 | abbat_w | you not sleep at 4 am |
| 11:43.12 | abbat_w | this is wrong |
| 11:43.13 | phyber | unless there was speak about AZ before .az ;) |
| 11:43.16 | Nickenyfiken | orionshock: i would do http://ace.pastey.net/73481 i think |
| 11:43.18 | phyber | :o |
| 11:43.45 | nevcairiel | wtf is wrong with my internet access, i cannot reach pastey at all.. /me blames transatlantic cables |
| 11:44.01 | abbat_w | azerbaijan internet filters! |
| 11:44.18 | orionshock | why does that make more sense? |
| 11:44.24 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel: on telia? |
| 11:44.28 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 11:44.56 | Nickenyfiken | WSW.db.profile.wsAU = {} is needed too |
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| 11:45.13 | Nickenyfiken | and WSW.db.profile.wsAU[iTime] = {} |
| 11:45.13 | orionshock | .. but but... |
| 11:45.17 | orionshock | isn't that implied? |
| 11:45.27 | phyber | nevcairiel: interwebs is very broken today, it seems. here we have random sites timing out all over the show, and it's not the ISP. :o |
| 11:45.27 | mitch0 | nev: I can't reach irc.freenode.net either |
| 11:45.36 | phyber | I can't reach wowace.com and freshmeat.net, for example :( |
| 11:45.41 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 11:45.46 | Xinhuan | no such thing as "implied" in code :) |
| 11:45.47 | nevcairiel | good to know that its not only me |
| 11:45.58 | abbat_w | nevcairiel, not only you |
| 11:46.06 | sylvanaar | how tacky - this is linked off the wowace.com wau wiki page: http://www.warp13.co.uk/wowaceupdater |
| 11:46.13 | abbat_w | someone told about problems in telia. can't reach wowace.com |
| 11:46.41 | phyber | nevcairiel: I can reach pastey.net though, if only that's the site I wanted to be at :p |
| 11:46.48 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:46.53 | cryogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.56 | nevcairiel | wowace.com randomly times out for me |
| 11:46.57 | cryogen | ^^ telia problems |
| 11:47.23 | sylvanaar | "modified version of WowAceUpdater without adverts" |
| 11:47.34 | nevcairiel | wonder if i get routed through some telia hub on my way over to US |
| 11:48.00 | sylvanaar | ive just deleted the link |
| 11:48.25 | abbat_w | =) |
| 11:48.35 | orionshock | hey Nickenyfiken it dosn't like that } on line 29... wth |
| 11:48.42 | abbat_w | i try to disable wau access to advert google site |
| 11:48.46 | Nickenyfiken | sylvanaar: who put the link there? |
| 11:48.51 | abbat_w | but wau won't load mods index then ;) |
| 11:49.12 | Nickenyfiken | orionshock: one comma too much in the table. remove last one |
| 11:49.26 | Nickenyfiken | i think |
| 11:49.29 | sylvanaar | i dont know, its in the log |
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| 11:49.44 | orionshock | ..oh yeah , lua complile =/= wow ui reload |
| 11:49.49 | sylvanaar | Cporter |
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| 11:50.53 | orionshock | Nickenyfiken: :29: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) .... wth? |
| 11:51.21 | Nickenyfiken | http://ace.pastey.net/73483 should work |
| 11:52.36 | orionshock | ok so declare the table before we use it ... >.> |
| 11:52.54 | JoshBorke | orionshock: have you read PiL? |
| 11:53.00 | abbat_w | =) |
| 11:53.02 | orionshock | ah some of it |
| 11:53.14 | orionshock | programing never made sense to me.. |
| 11:53.15 | abbat_w | <- reading now |
| 11:53.49 | sylvanaar | If they are going to fork WAU they need to take WowAce off the name |
| 11:53.53 | orionshock | and i have read some of pil, it lacks design and a good search engine |
| 11:54.34 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: the zlib license doesnt require that, if thats what you released it under as well |
| 11:54.38 | krka | ... what? |
| 11:54.39 | krka | design? |
| 11:54.46 | krka | search engine in a book? |
| 11:55.00 | orionshock | why yes, why the hell not :P |
| 11:55.12 | nevcairiel | go buy a hardcopy |
| 11:55.14 | nevcairiel | :P |
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| 11:55.38 | krka | pil is a well written programming book, imo |
| 11:55.45 | abbat_w | yes |
| 11:56.15 | Nickenyfiken | orionshock: use WSW:RegisterDefaults('profile', { wsAU = {} }) after RegisterDB() |
| 11:56.22 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: Yeah, that zlib liscense is a pos. I'm ditching it. |
| 11:58.07 | cryogen | the license has nothing to do with the name |
| 11:58.19 | cryogen | the name is a trademark, of sorts |
| 11:58.23 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 11:58.27 | sylvanaar | my thoughts too |
| 11:58.29 | CIA-22 | 03anxarces * r48319 10ProfessionsBook/ (Locale-koKR.lua ProfessionsBook.toc README.txt): |
| 11:58.29 | CIA-22 | ProfessionsBook: |
| 11:58.29 | CIA-22 | - Fixed Korean translation (thanks to Eerien) |
| 11:58.58 | orionshock | ok.. so i reloaded my UI ... and now i think i phooked it >.> |
| 11:59.47 | sylvanaar | nevertheless i have learned my lesson (though i didnt pick the liscense) - |
| 11:59.52 | sb | mhh - is there still some ingame (sharable with others) notepad? |
| 12:00.17 | sb | where you can e.g. write setups / macros and share them with other players |
| 12:00.30 | sb | (so they can edit them as well and send it back) |
| 12:00.30 | Nickenyfiken | Omnibus? |
| 12:00.41 | sb | Omnibus |
| 12:00.50 | sb | errr no, this is not google search :p |
| 12:01.06 | orionshock | hey Nickenyfiken so i .. reloaded my ui after collecting some of the data::... hehe |
| 12:01.07 | sb | is there sync in? |
| 12:01.44 | orionshock | and i got a nice ugly error that crashed half my ace addons "AceDB-2.0-46764 (Ace2):1787: Cannot access key "raw" in db table. You may want to use db.profile["raw"]" |
| 12:01.55 | orionshock | eh well reload again all normal :D |
| 12:02.28 | Nickenyfiken | ok |
| 12:02.33 | Nickenyfiken | When is UPDATE_WORLD_STATES fired? |
| 12:02.52 | orionshock | in WSG & AB when u cap a flag or resources change |
| 12:03.01 | orionshock | in World PVP when anything changes |
| 12:03.14 | orionshock | in BM when shit happens |
| 12:03.21 | Nickenyfiken | ah |
| 12:03.28 | orionshock | it fires when ever the World State Always Up frame changes |
| 12:04.22 | sb | hmhh wowi also down? :p |
| 12:04.25 | sb | *sigh* |
| 12:04.33 | Nickenyfiken | Nothing is down :-P |
| 12:04.40 | abbat_w | sb, nope |
| 12:04.44 | sb | no? hm |
| 12:04.49 | abbat_w | you are in AZ btw? :) |
| 12:05.00 | orionshock | well nn everyone... thanks for putting up with my noobness :D |
| 12:05.02 | sb | cant connect to wowace + wowi :o |
| 12:05.06 | orionshock | im sorry |
| 12:05.24 | evl | http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1398/ptrmillion070902we7.jpg |
| 12:05.26 | evl | how the hell |
| 12:05.35 | sb | abbat_w: uhm - no? :o |
| 12:05.37 | abbat_w | sb, possible you have telia in route to wowace |
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| 12:05.44 | sb | hmhm |
| 12:05.48 | ScoTTie_ | you can change the value of gold |
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| 12:06.00 | sb | yup, telia :o |
| 12:06.01 | abbat_w | yeah |
| 12:06.05 | orionshock | evil .. me thinks that a * got mixed up with a + |
| 12:06.08 | sb | thats bad, right? :p |
| 12:06.19 | ScoTTie_ | you can make 1g look like 1 million g |
| 12:06.28 | ScoTTie_ | but everything else scales with it |
| 12:06.32 | abbat_w | sb, don't think |
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| 12:07.08 | orionshock | evil - PTR player |
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| 12:08.38 | Pkekyo | sweet, ATI gfx drivers are going open source :) |
| 12:08.43 | sb | abbat_w: meh telia seems to cause some problems :o |
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| 12:09.07 | abbat_w | sb: http://www.nordu.net/ticket.php?number=2014 |
| 12:09.17 | sb | ah :) |
| 12:10.25 | Tinyboom | Pkekyo: link to news? ^^ |
| 12:10.34 | sb | meh - blacklist that "partner", i want to get some addons :p |
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| 12:22.19 | sb | is omnibus message comm already implemented? |
| 12:23.31 | sylvanaar | i finally ran trillian astra - its ok, seems the same |
| 12:23.34 | Pkekyo | Tinyboom: wouldn't help you much...it's in norwegian |
| 12:24.55 | RogueShadow | isn't that the test server |
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| 12:29.39 | [Ammo] | evl: you can set gold per copper etc and increase money shown |
| 12:29.49 | [Ammo] | it's a global in WoW |
| 12:29.59 | evl | :) |
| 12:30.02 | evl | I figured it out now |
| 12:30.03 | evl | I feel stupid |
| 12:30.07 | evl | but not as stupid as you |
| 12:30.09 | evl | HAHA! |
| 12:30.30 | pb_ee1 | How Gronn reproduce: http://adys.stools.net/random/howgronnreproduce.jpg |
| 12:31.03 | Adys|sleep | zzzzeeemm? |
| 12:31.08 | kenlyric | exactly like my dreams |
| 12:31.16 | Adys|sleep | mmmrmrm |
| 12:31.17 | pb_ee1 | Adys|sleep! You're here! :P |
| 12:31.30 | pb_ee1 | doh, sorry about this :( |
| 12:31.56 | Adys|sleep | np :P |
| 12:32.11 | Adys|sleep | Im not actually sleeping, Im lying dead more or less |
| 12:32.14 | Adys|sleep | bb |
| 12:32.20 | pb_ee1 | try to sleep a bit ;) |
| 12:32.32 | Adys|sleep | :P |
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| 12:35.34 | Kirkburn | Btw, for any frenchies out there, WikiWoW has joined Wikia and is now at - http://fr.wowwiki.com/ |
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| 12:39.09 | |Pixel| | whee |
| 12:41.02 | kenlyric | man, I wish there was a way to tell the difference between parts of a mod package and addons to the mod package. |
| 12:50.45 | kenlyric | http://www.wowace.com/stats/july.html is scary... ammofu is too high on that list. |
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| 12:53.46 | Mecdemort | oo nice |
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| 12:58.27 | Mecdemort | hmm if an addon starts in standby, then is enabled, why isn't OnEnable called with first set to true? |
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| 13:05.01 | CIA-22 | 03jerry 07jerry * r48320 10Grid/Grid/ (GridStatus.lua GridStatusHealth.lua GridStatusName.lua): Grid (branch): Reworked Feign Death detection, as unit that Feign death are not considered dead anymore. |
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| 13:07.59 | cryogen | seems telia sorted their mess out |
| 13:08.06 | cryogen | if anyone else was having the same problems i was |
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| 13:11.05 | ramoz | really? |
| 13:11.10 | ramoz | i've been having routing problems |
| 13:11.30 | Olison | anyone else has problems getting the addonlist with WowAceUpdater? |
| 13:11.34 | Gandharva | http://www.wowace.com/ down? |
| 13:12.11 | |Stan| | yeah |
| 13:12.17 | Olison | no the page works fine for me |
| 13:12.36 | |Stan| | nothing of it works for me |
| 13:12.41 | cryogen | ramoz: well they sorted their mess out in my route at least :) |
| 13:13.10 | Gandharva | The connection has timed out... |
| 13:13.34 | dabujo | its down for me too ;( |
| 13:14.23 | cryogen | well according to the ticket i posted earlier, one or more of telia's peers kinda crashed their router(s) by spamming them with too many prefixes |
| 13:14.36 | cryogen | so do a traceroute to the wowace server and see if you go via telia |
| 13:15.04 | nevcairiel | i am still having issues |
| 13:16.12 | kenlyric | bah, this dumb macro doesn't update the icon anymore when I switch trinkets. |
| 13:17.38 | abbat_w | kenlyric, refixed at ptr |
| 13:17.49 | kenlyric | oh, so it's a known thing? |
| 13:17.54 | nevcairiel | yup |
| 13:17.57 | Gandharva | cryogen: you are right. it fucks up at telia |
| 13:18.27 | cryogen | one hop after the named telia routers? |
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| 13:19.09 | Gandharva | 10 105 ms 106 ms 121 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.251.96] -> this is the last one that works |
| 13:20.03 | cryogen | you have a different route to me |
| 13:20.08 | cryogen | presumably one that's still broken :) |
| 13:20.20 | nevcairiel | i jump london -> nyk and it ends after that |
| 13:20.31 | cryogen | yeah |
| 13:20.34 | cryogen | it's the same problem as before |
| 13:21.01 | cryogen | works for me though now |
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| 13:28.34 | kenlyric | isn't there a way in bartender that I can shift-scroll and make one bar become another bar? |
| 13:28.41 | kenlyric | seems like i've done it accidentally. |
| 13:28.42 | ramoz | http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1384/omguijg0.jpg <- anyone know what this can be? |
| 13:29.26 | CIA-22 | 03mecdemort * r48321 10TimeToDie/Core.lua: TimeToDie: - Fixed error when starting with addon in standby then enabling. |
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| 13:29.45 | Mecdemort | looks like bliz's target frame |
| 13:30.37 | ramoz | yes |
| 13:30.39 | ramoz | but can you hite it? |
| 13:30.41 | ramoz | die* |
| 13:30.43 | ramoz | hide* |
| 13:30.43 | ramoz | ff |
| 13:30.44 | ramoz | s |
| 13:30.50 | nevcairiel | kenlyric: of course, its listening to the default shift-scroll actionbar bindings |
| 13:31.25 | kenlyric | ahhhh, I bet I unbound that back when simpleselfrebuff was sorta broken. |
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| 13:36.11 | Nickenyfiken | Anyone know if there is a freeware program like Ghost? |
| 13:36.18 | Nickenyfiken | to backup drives or partitions |
| 13:37.07 | abbat_w | why you search freeware? |
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| 13:37.41 | dreamss | dd |
| 13:37.44 | dreamss | is open source |
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| 13:38.11 | Nickenyfiken | abbat_w: because i prefer free / open source |
| 13:38.13 | Nickenyfiken | dd? |
| 13:38.14 | dreamss | dd of=/dev/hda1 if=/backup/drive.img ? :P |
| 13:38.20 | Nickenyfiken | rofl |
| 13:38.26 | Nickenyfiken | yeah yeah |
| 13:38.34 | dreamss | i alwlays get if and of confused tho |
| 13:38.43 | dreamss | might be dumping on the drive there :P |
| 13:38.47 | cryogen | that would be a pretty bad command to run :) |
| 13:38.59 | Nickenyfiken | Well for Windoze |
| 13:39.00 | abbat_w | hmm.... |
| 13:39.09 | cryogen | hint: i is input o is output |
| 13:39.10 | abbat_w | i prefer commercial soft;) |
| 13:39.17 | abbat_w | called 'warez' |
| 13:39.25 | dreamss | word |
| 13:39.32 | cryogen | and even if you did get that the right way around, that would take up a hell of a lot of disk space :) |
| 13:39.34 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather iampretty |
| 13:39.37 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Iampretty, Level 30 Undead Priest (5/0/16). 982 HP; 2137 Mana; 122 mana regen; 7 +spell dmg; 27 +heal; 22 shadow dmg (29); 5.33% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 236 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/25qjpy ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2rxssp ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 09:51:13 2007 ]] |
| 13:39.50 | Nickenyfiken | well well |
| 13:40.05 | Nickenyfiken | !vs eu outland trollfager eu outland unkbunk |
| 13:40.07 | ThraeBot | Nickenyfiken: Trollfager vs Unkbunk! A L70 shaman and a L70 hunter square off!; 0/42/19 vs 7/20/34; Unkbunk wins by 504 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 13:41.14 | Pkekyo | !vs eu bloodfeather baesj eu dragonblight baesj |
| 13:41.16 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: I failed on the second listed character. You half-fail. |
| 13:41.27 | Pkekyo | u sux |
| 13:41.27 | ramoz | !vs eu vek'nilash venefica eu vek'nilash doompony |
| 13:41.29 | ThraeBot | ramoz: Venefica vs Doompony! Two 70 warlocks square off!; Venefica wins by 1 TBRs! |
| 13:41.35 | ramoz | ! |
| 13:42.05 | Nickenyfiken | !c eu outland unkbunk |
| 13:42.07 | ThraeBot | Nickenyfiken: Unkbunk, Level 70 Tauren Hunter (7/20/34). 7355 HP; 5968 Mana; 107 mana regen; 27 mp5; 5415 Armour; 1676 AP; 250.2 Melee DPS; 23.89% melee crit; 89 melee hit; 1614 RAP; 286.3 Ranged DPS; 28.89% ranged crit; 89 ranged hit; 24.55% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1069 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yoh67n ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/38y5gd ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 09:51:45 2007 ]] |
| 13:46.04 | Tinyboom | Pkekyo: it wouldn't? ^^ take a guess to where I am from:p gief link plix ;) or nvm if it's from hw.no |
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| 13:54.35 | Chompers | !vs eu Kul Tiras Chomps eu kul tiras Jenoz |
| 13:54.36 | ThraeBot | Chompers: Chomps vs Jenoz! Two 70 warriors square off!; 33/28/0 vs 36/23/2; Chomps wins by 353 TBRs! |
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| 13:55.45 | Chompers | can i wisp Thraebot instead of spamming a channel? |
| 13:56.41 | cryogen | yes |
| 13:56.41 | CIA-22 | 03pb_ee1 * r48322 10Elephant/ (Core.lua Event-Handle.lua): |
| 13:56.41 | CIA-22 | Elephant: [DRYCODED] |
| 13:56.41 | CIA-22 | - Re-enabling "party loot method changed" message. |
| 13:56.41 | CIA-22 | - Changing color of "loot method changed" message. |
| 13:56.41 | CIA-22 | - Optimizing message handling. |
| 13:56.46 | cryogen | just take off the ! when you /msg im |
| 13:56.51 | cryogen | s/im/him/ |
| 13:57.01 | Grum | wts baby gnomes |
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| 13:59.40 | CIA-22 | 03wiebbe * r48323 10BossWhisperer/BossWhisperer.lua: |
| 13:59.40 | CIA-22 | BossWhisperer: |
| 13:59.40 | CIA-22 | - Added frFR translations. |
| 13:59.40 | CIA-22 | - Updated other translations. |
| 14:02.46 | Grum | see, everyone hates gnomes! |
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| 14:06.05 | grzesieq | !c eu tarren mill grzesiek |
| 14:06.08 | ThraeBot | grzesieq: Grzesiek, Level 70 Human Warlock (0/21/40). 9558 HP; 8755 Mana; 110 mana regen; 272 spell crit; 122 spell hit; 977 +spell dmg/heal; 51 shadow dmg (1028); 4.36% dodge;[[ TBR: 1495 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yov6sk ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3ycp32 ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 10:17:45 2007 ]] |
| 14:07.12 | baer_ | anyone here tried playing an affiliction warlock? |
| 14:07.21 | sb | yup :o |
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| 14:07.49 | baer_ | sb: great, may i ask for your DoT sequence and how to go against trash mobs in normal instances? |
| 14:07.56 | baer_ | !c eu Todeswache Gingles |
| 14:08.00 | ThraeBot | baer_: Gingles, Level 70 Gnome Warlock (42/1/18). 7450 HP; 8245 Mana; 118 mana regen; 147 spell crit; 127 spell hit; 1055 +spell dmg; 51 shadow dmg (1106); 4.47% dodge; 13 resilience; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1127 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cn87q ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/34f7sl ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 10:19:36 2007 ]] |
| 14:08.16 | baer_ | ^- talking about this cute lil warlock :) |
| 14:08.18 | sb | baer_: uhm... you said 'tried' :p |
| 14:08.35 | baer_ | um :) |
| 14:08.36 | sb | i just pressed random keys :o |
| 14:08.50 | baer_ | ok, lemme correct my question :-} |
| 14:08.54 | dreamss | locks are easy |
| 14:09.03 | sb | i could tell you my sequence for 38/2/21 :o |
| 14:09.13 | dreamss | immolate corr |
| 14:09.15 | baer_ | does anyone "sucessfully play" dotlock in PvE? |
| 14:09.18 | sb | but with that unstable affliction stuff.. meh :o |
| 14:09.21 | dreamss | and curse dending on grp |
| 14:09.31 | dreamss | depending |
| 14:09.50 | dreamss | only way to fuck up is too dot a CC mob |
| 14:09.51 | dreamss | :P |
| 14:10.14 | RogueShadow | that wouldn't be good. :( |
| 14:10.27 | baer_ | dreamss: i'm a bit confused. |
| 14:10.33 | dreamss | ? |
| 14:10.44 | baer_ | when i'm done setting my DoTs, the group is already done with the mob |
| 14:10.56 | ramoz | baer_: yeah - in raids |
| 14:11.09 | ramoz | we have two locks - malediction and shadow embrace = awesome |
| 14:11.19 | dreamss | locks aint much dps on trash unless its aoe |
| 14:11.30 | baer_ | ramoz: malediction? |
| 14:11.31 | ramoz | true dat |
| 14:11.37 | dreamss | like u said, dots dont even finish |
| 14:11.47 | ramoz | +5% on CoE/CoS |
| 14:11.52 | ramoz | err |
| 14:11.53 | dreamss | i would just cos/coe depending on class |
| 14:11.54 | ramoz | 3% |
| 14:11.55 | dreamss | on trash |
| 14:12.04 | ramoz | you have on lock in the raid? :O |
| 14:12.09 | ramoz | also |
| 14:12.28 | ramoz | on long figths dotlocks own cause of mana usage = 0 |
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| 14:12.47 | baer_ | actually it's 1-2 in karazhan and 3-4 in 25 player content, i guess. |
| 14:13.52 | Hjalte | For some reason the text in my tooltips look like they are in bold or so. I'm using cowtip and clearfont. Any advice? |
| 14:14.04 | Hjalte | Oh.. Seems i fixed it myself. |
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| 14:15.05 | baer_ | oh, that one. :) |
| 14:15.08 | Eggi | bear_: if your mobs don't have enough hp for dots ... use shadowbolt |
| 14:15.12 | baer_ | sorry, have to translate it to german first :) |
| 14:15.29 | Eggi | it is your main damage source also as with affl. spec |
| 14:15.34 | baer_ | Eggi: so what is enough hp? > 20k? |
| 14:15.38 | Eggi | -as |
| 14:15.57 | dreamss | wont corr and drainlife do more dmg |
| 14:15.59 | Eggi | depens on your group |
| 14:16.01 | Gagorian | Locks ain't much dps on trash? That's just bullshit |
| 14:16.04 | dreamss | and have a chance to proc shadowfall? |
| 14:16.31 | baer_ | dreamss: yes, i guess most dotlocks skill that one. |
| 14:17.07 | dreamss | if u have loads of mages/priest coe/cos prolly will net more damage |
| 14:17.14 | dreamss | in short burst |
| 14:17.15 | Gagorian | Shadow bolt > drain life, always except when you need healing |
| 14:17.33 | Eggi | and if the mob has <20k then it is normaly some kind of aoe group... |
| 14:17.45 | baer_ | but i'm still interested in a good DoT-rotation :) |
| 14:18.02 | baer_ | and do you set SL at all? |
| 14:18.17 | Gagorian | Just put up all dots that have time to inflict most of their damage before the mob dies, and keep refreshed until so |
| 14:18.22 | dreamss | immolate->corr->coa/cod |
| 14:18.42 | Gagorian | Immolate, siphon, corr and coa are all perfectly fine damage per seconds casted compared to shadow bolt |
| 14:18.50 | Gagorian | I usually start with corr to proc the exalted BT trinket |
| 14:18.53 | Eggi | dreamss: not with affl. spec |
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| 14:19.04 | dreamss | whats the proc gag |
| 14:19.23 | dreamss | in short burst i would just try and proc shadowfall and dot |
| 14:19.24 | Gagorian | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32493 |
| 14:19.31 | baer_ | actually immo is a destruction spell |
| 14:19.42 | Gagorian | Immolate is worth it even in affliction spec |
| 14:19.42 | dreamss | u can switch mob after the one u were on dies |
| 14:19.48 | dreamss | and keep the insta cast :P |
| 14:19.56 | baer_ | Gagorian: we are starting with SSC right now, only kara/gruul/magt-loot :) |
| 14:20.19 | dreamss | we did ssc for the first time last week |
| 14:20.21 | Gagorian | basically dot everything that's being tanked |
| 14:20.24 | dreamss | i got 2 loots :P |
| 14:20.33 | Gagorian | then nuke a target with most shadow damage debuffs/tank threat |
| 14:20.35 | Gagorian | keep dots up |
| 14:21.13 | Gagorian | Doesn't really matter in what order you cast them, but if mobs die fast it might be worth casting the ones with longer duration first (as long as they will stay up for most of the time, otherwise only use short ones) |
| 14:21.26 | dreamss | playstyle for shaman and locks is pretty similar imo |
| 14:22.13 | kadrahil | i can't wait for mind flay on my priest |
| 14:22.29 | Eggi | btw... ua should do more dmg then immolate... |
| 14:22.43 | Gagorian | Of course, but it doesn't prevent you using both |
| 14:22.54 | kadrahil | hrm |
| 14:23.15 | ergh99 | morning all, i'm having a problem with the blizz raid ui and the trace says Ace2 is attempting to call protected functions. i'm wondering how i can track down the root cause of this |
| 14:23.19 | dreamss | talents should be used first/all the time |
| 14:23.22 | dreamss | :P |
| 14:23.24 | Eggi | yes but shadowbolt > immolate |
| 14:23.25 | dreamss | common rule |
| 14:23.32 | ergh99 | it happens when i try to set MA or MT in the blizz raid ui |
| 14:23.33 | Gagorian | Eggi: Not true |
| 14:23.46 | dreamss | affliction sb is about shadowfall |
| 14:23.47 | dreamss | imo |
| 14:23.52 | Gagorian | Not true either |
| 14:24.11 | Gagorian | I do around 50% of my damage as 40/0/21 with sbolt |
| 14:24.19 | baer_ | btw, according to drdmg immo > sb in affi |
| 14:24.24 | dreamss | if ur affl/0/dest prolly not a bad idea tos pam sb tho |
| 14:24.35 | kadrahil | so at 20 i get mind flay... but i have 5 in disc for wand spec so i may respec just to get it :/ |
| 14:24.47 | RogueShadow | you have to do something onceyou finish dotting? |
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| 14:24.50 | Eggi | with affli. spec it is better to cast a shadowbolt instead of immolate |
| 14:24.56 | Gagorian | It's not |
| 14:25.12 | baer_ | concerning 1055 +fire & 1136 +shadow it is 1844 dmg for immo and 1676 for sb |
| 14:25.37 | dreamss | u should do both |
| 14:25.39 | Gagorian | Trust me, I've done the math for immo.. Unless debuff slots are constantly full, immo > sb |
| 14:25.44 | Gagorian | Just keep it up and then spam SB |
| 14:25.45 | dreamss | sb while immo dots |
| 14:25.47 | baer_ | dreamss: i will do both :) |
| 14:26.03 | kadrahil | haha our new lock was trying to aoe trash in kara last night and kept wondering why he was dying so much |
| 14:26.04 | baer_ | the idea was leaving immo out. |
| 14:26.15 | Gagorian | (Of course, you won't be SPAMMING immo.. If anyone thought that was the case) |
| 14:26.15 | dreamss | bad healers |
| 14:26.19 | dreamss | thats why kad |
| 14:26.21 | sb | bad tanks |
| 14:26.23 | kadrahil | pfft heh |
| 14:26.25 | Eggi | shadowbolt can crit which gives your raid 20% more dmg |
| 14:26.28 | kadrahil | maybe |
| 14:26.37 | kadrahil | we one shot all the bosses now at least |
| 14:26.39 | dreamss | seeds WILL pull agro |
| 14:26.43 | dreamss | there no way around that |
| 14:26.45 | kadrahil | and one or two shot hkm now |
| 14:26.46 | kadrahil | yeah |
| 14:26.49 | dreamss | unless war pops hos aoe taunt |
| 14:27.00 | kadrahil | one a seed went through a wall and he pulled another room in and wiped us :O |
| 14:27.09 | kadrahil | at least that's what we think happened |
| 14:27.10 | dreamss | lock should have 2 healers and ES/priest shield ready |
| 14:27.20 | dreamss | and call out when seed is procin |
| 14:27.30 | kadrahil | yep, i'll make sure of that tonight |
| 14:27.38 | Gagorian | Eggi: Listen. It is better to keep immolate up than use that 1.5s every 15s for shadow bolt. The rest of spare time (when not refreshing dots), is of course shadow bolt. |
| 14:27.40 | dreamss | oh yeah seed can pull extra mobs |
| 14:27.40 | kadrahil | but i don't remember any aoe trash between curator and nightbane really |
| 14:28.06 | dreamss | nightbane has no trash |
| 14:28.11 | kadrahil | i know |
| 14:28.17 | dreamss | u mean spite |
| 14:28.27 | kadrahil | i mean any trash from curator to the end. |
| 14:28.37 | baer_ | most of 'em are immune to magic dmg. |
| 14:28.44 | sb | hmm there is |
| 14:28.59 | sb | illhoof/aran ghosts |
| 14:29.03 | baer_ | concerning the trash between curator & aran at least |
| 14:29.17 | kadrahil | sb: yeah, that's true |
| 14:29.20 | sb | spell shades |
| 14:29.24 | sb | NOT sorc. shades ;)( |
| 14:29.26 | dreamss | imps/eels inmune to magic |
| 14:29.32 | dreamss | shades are not aoe |
| 14:29.36 | sb | they are :p |
| 14:29.44 | dreamss | we cc them |
| 14:29.47 | dreamss | they rape |
| 14:30.29 | dreamss | i love KZ |
| 14:30.36 | dreamss | very lorish/cool istance |
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| 14:33.22 | sylvanaar | whats up with shadow priests not using VE now |
| 14:33.25 | Funkeh` | hey |
| 14:33.41 | sb | syl: threat |
| 14:33.47 | sylvanaar | yeah i know why |
| 14:33.51 | sylvanaar | but why |
| 14:33.59 | sb | huh? :) |
| 14:34.04 | sylvanaar | why do they think their job is now DPS only |
| 14:34.08 | sb | hmm |
| 14:34.27 | Eggi | mana regen comes from vt which is more important |
| 14:34.28 | sb | because of damage meters "haha, shadow priest, you suck, moer dps plz!!!1" |
| 14:34.36 | Funkeh` | sylvanaar: they should spec off imp ve and use it |
| 14:34.40 | sb | and yes, more dmg -> more mana reg (VT) ;o |
| 14:35.15 | sylvanaar | dont get me started - that wasnt it |
| 14:35.39 | sylvanaar | because VT lowered his DPS also |
| 14:35.47 | Eggi | will help you more if you spend the 2 points from imp ve into mindblast |
| 14:35.56 | kadrahil | oh man |
| 14:36.14 | kadrahil | ok, so parking on campus is a nightmare. i can't find a freakin parking spot anywhere in the commuter lots. |
| 14:36.32 | kadrahil | so the sports people decide to rope off half the major commuter lot today for a football tailgate party tonight |
| 14:36.35 | kadrahil | IDIOTS. |
| 14:36.38 | Xinhuan | argh, why is phase 3 kaelthas so hard T_T |
| 14:36.42 | sylvanaar | im going to have to start screening spriests now - do you have VE, do you use it... |
| 14:36.58 | sb | Xinhuan: because its after phase 1 and 2? :P |
| 14:37.08 | Xinhuan | QQ |
| 14:37.16 | Funkeh` | kadrahil: Its like that at my college also |
| 14:37.27 | Funkeh` | kadrahil: fuckign nightmare, ended up parking on a street next to it |
| 14:37.51 | kadrahil | Funkeh`: yeah, they just announced that the street next to it is going to be closed off also |
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| 14:37.59 | Funkeh` | hahaha |
| 14:38.04 | kadrahil | i think they don't realize how bad parking really is |
| 14:38.12 | sb | sylvanaar: our SP uses VE depending on boss (no imp. VE specced) - tidewalker: NO!, karathress: yes, leotheras: no (!), lurker is okay - etc. |
| 14:38.16 | kadrahil | man... people are going to complain and heads are going to roll |
| 14:38.30 | nevcairiel | sb: l2fade and you can VE everywhere |
| 14:38.35 | Funkeh` | Why not leotheras? |
| 14:38.40 | Funkeh` | tidewalker never |
| 14:38.42 | kadrahil | wtb ssc guild |
| 14:38.50 | nevcairiel | our spriests just fade when murlocs spawn |
| 14:38.50 | kadrahil | getting really bored with kara and gruul |
| 14:38.53 | sb | Funkeh`: aggro dump after whirlwind :p |
| 14:38.54 | nevcairiel | and they VE just fine |
| 14:39.02 | sb | and SP keeps dying there ;p |
| 14:39.03 | kadrahil | and we haven't even downed gruul yet |
| 14:39.05 | Funkeh` | sb: lol? |
| 14:39.06 | Eggi | leo is not worth it |
| 14:39.09 | dreamss | we tried tidewalker first] |
| 14:39.13 | Funkeh` | sb: then they need to learn to play |
| 14:39.13 | dreamss | was that a bad idea? |
| 14:39.32 | kadrahil | ah well |
| 14:39.39 | kadrahil | people you enjoy playing the game with > loot |
| 14:39.41 | Funkeh` | sb: When my guild did leo I was imp VE speced and used it all the time |
| 14:39.47 | sylvanaar | sb yeah, i was in a 5 man with a mage spriest and warlock, and even with 3 ppl dead he still didnt put up ve, but would stop to cast a heal |
| 14:39.58 | Eggi | as a shadow priest... use fade |
| 14:40.00 | sica | I always use VE on Tidewalker, when I see the Murlocs coming I fade and the Prot Pala grabs Aggro |
| 14:40.06 | sb | sylvanaar: okay thats pretty dumb then :p |
| 14:40.08 | Funkeh` | sb: Leotheras is about timing your agro, not trying to reduce it |
| 14:40.10 | Eggi | when leo starts with whirl/demon |
| 14:40.32 | sb | Funkeh`: i know - i'm holypriest - same here ;p |
| 14:41.11 | sylvanaar | how much of a dps increase can you get with imp fade i wonder |
| 14:41.27 | Eggi | nothing |
| 14:41.31 | sica | sylvanaar: nothing |
| 14:41.33 | Eggi | because fade gives you the aggro back |
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| 14:42.01 | sb | Funkeh`: well - plus he doesnt use any threat meter |
| 14:42.24 | sb | sica: doesnt work if you do tidewalker w/o pala aggro :) |
| 14:42.39 | sb | (we dont have prot pallys and our holy pallys are too dumb) |
| 14:42.46 | sb | (horde pallys! :p) |
| 14:43.17 | sica | sb: well, it should work with holy palas as well, righteous fury, no bos and heal like hell |
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| 14:43.37 | sb | sica: i know - in theory :p |
| 14:43.44 | sica | sb: hehe |
| 14:43.55 | sylvanaar | ok - hrm, i thought it had a fixed component |
| 14:44.17 | sica | sylvanaar: it has, but you regain the aggro after the effect faded |
| 14:44.26 | Eggi | lock that taps life should help the paly to have enough heal aggro |
| 14:44.37 | sica | slug3: http://www.wowwiki.com/Fade |
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| 14:44.47 | sica | er, sorry |
| 14:44.50 | sica | sylvanaar: http://www.wowwiki.com/Fade |
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| 14:45.00 | sylvanaar | yeah, i read about it ages ago when people still were fighting |
| 14:47.27 | kenlyric | actually, you don't gain it back again until you cause more threat. |
| 14:47.41 | sylvanaar | you could have an swp dot |
| 14:48.07 | sylvanaar | seems lame |
| 14:48.51 | sylvanaar | good right at the start when 10% is a small number |
| 14:49.00 | sylvanaar | then totally pointless |
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| 14:51.55 | Grum | fade is so useless :( |
| 14:52.40 | kenlyric | except where it's the opposite of useless. |
| 14:52.47 | sica | not in fights with aggroresets, I keep VT and SWP up in all fights and fade on all transitions. It usually gives the tank enough time to grab aggro |
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| 14:55.28 | cryogen | fade is excellent for aggro wipes |
| 14:55.31 | cryogen | useless anywhere else |
| 14:56.55 | kenlyric | in perfection, sure. |
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| 14:58.39 | Grum | you do not aggrowipe with fade |
| 14:58.41 | Grum | that is the problem |
| 14:59.19 | kenlyric | anytime a tank fails to get proper aggro on a secondary mob, fade is there. |
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| 14:59.27 | Grum | oh well it's nice that it's on a low cooldown at least and mostly useful to get 'aggro' to someone else :) |
| 14:59.33 | Grum | yeah |
| 14:59.49 | Grum | i'm pondering if a Power Infusion spec would be doable for a priest |
| 14:59.54 | Mikk | Don't you do less threat while faded tho? |
| 14:59.57 | kenlyric | it can be well used to keep a mob in motion, and not damaging, for 5 or six seconds. |
| 15:00.23 | Mikk | Or am I dreaming here |
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| 15:00.25 | kenlyric | no, but it gives the tank a chance to put more threat on the mob he forgot about. |
| 15:00.29 | dreamss | the new pain supresion is gonna own in pve |
| 15:00.38 | cryogen | Mikk: i wish |
| 15:00.46 | Mikk | Hehe ok |
| 15:01.08 | Grum | i think they should change the aggro mechanics for shadoom priests though |
| 15:01.09 | sylvanaar | oh yeah AND the group had a paladin tank....!!!!! |
| 15:01.19 | sica | Mikk: fade dumps your aggro by 1500 points for 10s and after this 10s on your next threat-generating action you gain the threat of this action+1500 |
| 15:01.22 | Grum | in fights like voidreaver the only way to 'reset' aggr is by dying ;D |
| 15:01.23 | cryogen | yes fade is also semi useful on pulls |
| 15:01.31 | cryogen | if you are using VE |
| 15:01.46 | Eggi | PI for healing for damage, Grum? |
| 15:01.52 | Eggi | for = or |
| 15:02.00 | kenlyric | generally you slow up during a fade though. |
| 15:02.01 | Grum | oh just having PI .. likely for dps |
| 15:02.05 | Grum | for healing it's crap |
| 15:02.12 | kenlyric | which gives the tank opportunity to push well ahead of you. |
| 15:02.18 | Grum | who cares about +400 healing for 15 seconds |
| 15:02.39 | sylvanaar | they already changed spriest aggro |
| 15:02.43 | kenlyric | or go back and wipe that rogue who feinted. |
| 15:02.59 | Grum | i think aoe-heals should not get the 50% aggro of what they do but even less .. 30 or 40% orso |
| 15:03.09 | cryogen | oh one more useful thing about fade |
| 15:03.12 | Grum | so shadoompriests dont go completely ballistic with their VE/VT |
| 15:03.17 | cryogen | its fun to use it when you are wiping |
| 15:03.20 | kenlyric | just use holy nova grum. |
| 15:03.20 | Eggi | a holy renew priest cares |
| 15:03.28 | cryogen | and the boss heads for you, you fade and it heads for a warlock instead |
| 15:03.36 | Grum | yeah ;D |
| 15:03.43 | sylvanaar | then he soulshatters |
| 15:03.44 | Grum | and gives you enough time to bail out the instance =D |
| 15:03.48 | cryogen | indeed |
| 15:03.54 | Eggi | as a holy priest you are normaly alone... so you have to spec imp. spirit |
| 15:03.54 | kenlyric | fade is an uh oh button. If you play without uh ohs, then I'm happy for you. |
| 15:03.54 | cryogen | sylvanaar: a good warlock will have it on cooldown :) |
| 15:03.56 | sylvanaar | and it goes for the druid |
| 15:04.06 | Grum | Eggi: i hate impspi |
| 15:04.14 | Eggi | and then PI is not so far away |
| 15:04.21 | kenlyric | Eggi: uh. what does imp spirit have to do with renew? |
| 15:04.22 | Grum | on a raid it's nice .. but unless you spec deeper into disipline (to get PI for example) it's not that usefull |
| 15:04.23 | Eggi | so take it and use it with renew |
| 15:04.37 | Eggi | imp spi = deep in the disc tree |
| 15:04.40 | Eggi | and PI is also there |
| 15:04.43 | Grum | 22 pts |
| 15:04.45 | kenlyric | PI is very far away from imp spirit. |
| 15:04.45 | cryogen | yes, its reactive not proactive |
| 15:04.48 | cryogen | thats the point im trying to make |
| 15:04.53 | Eggi | 23 imho |
| 15:04.53 | Grum | 23 even |
| 15:05.10 | kenlyric | 8 points at that level in the holy tree are very useful. |
| 15:05.22 | Eggi | so you don't get imp. greater heal/fheal |
| 15:05.23 | Grum | yes that's the problem |
| 15:05.25 | kenlyric | way, way more useful than PI. |
| 15:05.34 | kenlyric | Eggi: what does that have to do with renew? |
| 15:05.46 | Eggi | renew gets 100% +heal |
| 15:05.53 | Eggi | so it is the best spell to use with PI |
| 15:05.53 | kenlyric | "a holy renew pirest scares me" |
| 15:06.35 | Eggi | holy = renew spam + inspiration on the tank |
| 15:07.00 | sb | D/H = FH spam :p |
| 15:07.26 | sica | holy = renew on the shadows who spam SW:D \o/ |
| 15:08.00 | Grum | i think something like: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxGhzhxtbzZfxtzc0aV looks somewhat viable |
| 15:08.18 | kenlyric | oh lord |
| 15:08.21 | kenlyric | you got holy nova. |
| 15:08.33 | Grum | no, i could put that point in inspiration :) |
| 15:08.35 | kenlyric | and not 3/3 inspiration. get out. |
| 15:08.45 | Grum | just fiddling around with 'how a PI spec could look like' |
| 15:09.09 | kenlyric | oh lord! |
| 15:09.12 | kenlyric | stop now! |
| 15:09.28 | Grum | i know .. it's horrid ;) |
| 15:09.37 | Grum | eventhough i have to say Holy Nova is the bomb |
| 15:09.46 | sica | :(( |
| 15:09.54 | sica | holy nova makes the little jesus cry |
| 15:10.02 | Eggi | our PI priest... http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Wrathbringer&n=Avips |
| 15:10.37 | Hjalte | Absolution > Imp shield imo |
| 15:10.50 | kenlyric | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxT0dhxtbzZfLxcc0aV improved |
| 15:11.00 | kenlyric | anything > imp shield |
| 15:11.23 | Eggi | it helps in phase 1 RoS |
| 15:11.25 | kenlyric | I'm pretty sure the priest guild feeds you to murlocs for taking imp shield. |
| 15:11.38 | Grum | gawk .. 2150+healing .. unbuffed |
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| 15:11.52 | kenlyric | and an empty socket |
| 15:12.00 | Eggi | shield is the only "heal" that works there |
| 15:12.16 | kenlyric | he clearly needs more spirit. |
| 15:12.32 | Grum | his 'while casting' is kinda lowish |
| 15:12.37 | Grum | but still around ~250 buffed |
| 15:12.48 | kenlyric | his whle not casting is kinda lowish too. |
| 15:13.33 | Grum | tbh spirit is a bit too much overrated |
| 15:13.42 | kenlyric | yes I know. |
| 15:13.54 | kenlyric | I always say "needs more spirit". |
| 15:13.55 | Grum | with the fights and my healing style i have atm i need 6spi for every mp5 i have to get 'equal' |
| 15:14.02 | kenlyric | it's like "needs more cowbell" |
| 15:14.07 | Grum | ;) |
| 15:14.09 | sica | aren't there rumors that spirit gets a buff in a upcoming patch? |
| 15:14.14 | Grum | where to find cowbells? |
| 15:14.17 | kenlyric | don't toy with me |
| 15:14.20 | Grum | sica: dunno but if that happens .. |
| 15:14.23 | Hjalte | sica, yeah, heard that too. |
| 15:14.24 | kenlyric | I'm a reformed spirit whore. |
| 15:14.31 | Grum | mp5 ftw |
| 15:14.38 | kenlyric | I'm at a lowly 515 self buffed. |
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| 15:15.11 | Grum | lol how much while casting do you hav kenlyric ? |
| 15:15.18 | kenlyric | 187 |
| 15:15.25 | kenlyric | t4 level gear |
| 15:15.35 | kenlyric | 465 while not casting. |
| 15:15.38 | Grum | geivprofile |
| 15:15.41 | Hjalte | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Hjalte - I've got a lot of mp5 but almost no spirit. I'm not raiding anymore though. |
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| 15:16.15 | Grum | Hjalte: you sacrificed all for mp5 .. you have completely no stats whatsoever :) |
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| 15:16.28 | Grum | 5800hp is scary-low ;D |
| 15:16.43 | kenlyric | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Kargath&n=Kenlyric |
| 15:16.45 | sylvaan | mp5 is overrated |
| 15:16.46 | Hjalte | Yeah, but I usually survive anyhow |
| 15:16.57 | Grum | sylvaan: depends on your fsr |
| 15:17.08 | Eggi | the empty socket is btw an armory bug <.< |
| 15:17.32 | Hjalte | kenlyric, heavenly inspiration is kind of cute.. :P |
| 15:17.37 | Eggi | armory does not have hyjal/bt sockets |
| 15:18.07 | sylvaan | only thing mp5 is for is fights longer than 2-3 min |
| 15:18.09 | kenlyric | in order to match blizzard's valuation of spirit as an item value, *with* every spirit talent in the holy/disc trees. you need to be out of 5sr at least 40% of the time. |
| 15:18.14 | sica | Eggi: it does, but not all of them -.- +15sta and 12spelldamage seem to display fine |
| 15:18.16 | Grum | sylvaan: every bossfight :) |
| 15:18.27 | kenlyric | Hjalte: welcome to a world with no trinkets. |
| 15:18.29 | sylvaan | yeah, bossfights |
| 15:18.39 | Grum | i use full t4 on trash |
| 15:18.42 | sylvaan | that all you do? |
| 15:18.44 | Hjalte | kenlyric, go farm onyxia nub :) |
| 15:18.44 | kenlyric | uh, bossfights are the only thing you gear/spec for. Trash is trivial. |
| 15:18.52 | Grum | and get upto ~9.5k hp |
| 15:18.56 | kenlyric | uh, onyxia never dropped that trinket. |
| 15:19.02 | kenlyric | neither did the 3 dragons in BWL. |
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| 15:19.34 | Grum | kenlyric: yeah that is what i calculated |
| 15:19.35 | sylvaan | then again i innervate myself |
| 15:19.52 | Grum | when i am in FSR 60% then it's a 4spi for 1mp5 |
| 15:19.55 | Grum | and that is doable gearwise |
| 15:20.06 | kenlyric | heavenly inspiriation is better than the trinkets I had on my old priest. |
| 15:20.08 | Grum | but i am around 70-75% .. which is 6spi for 1mp5 .. and that isn't :) |
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| 15:20.25 | kenlyric | blizzard values spirit at around 2.5 for 1mp5. |
| 15:20.33 | sylvaan | yeah, blizzard overprices it |
| 15:20.47 | kenlyric | it needs the same value as stamina, not int. |
| 15:21.13 | dreamss | spi should be mp5 "rating" and add resists |
| 15:21.15 | sylvaan | however - if you have evocate or innervate spirit is crazy good |
| 15:21.25 | kenlyric | blizzard gives a 4spirit for 1mp5 value on vendor gems. |
| 15:21.39 | kenlyric | epic gemms are 2.5 spirit for 1mp5 |
| 15:21.47 | Grum | i use the [Alchemist's Stone] and [Bangle of Endless Blessings] as trinkets still |
| 15:21.51 | kenlyric | they are bad at math. |
| 15:21.54 | sylvaan | i use the bangle |
| 15:21.59 | kenlyric | bangle would be nice. |
| 15:22.06 | sylvaan | and recently i have been using blue dragon again |
| 15:22.20 | sylvaan | when it procs i hit the bangle |
| 15:22.30 | Grum | and got about ~290-300 mp5 while casting on bossfights |
| 15:22.36 | Grum | and have a hard time going oom =D |
| 15:22.43 | dreamss | blue dragon ? |
| 15:22.53 | sylvaan | beasts deck |
| 15:23.06 | Grum | Equip: 2% chance on successful spellcast to allow 100% of your Mana regeneration to continue while casting for 15 sec. |
| 15:23.16 | dreamss | i use the one from shade |
| 15:23.20 | kenlyric | getting blue dragon to proc during a bossfight would be epic. |
| 15:23.25 | sylvaan | click bangle when i procs |
| 15:23.32 | sylvaan | i cast hots |
| 15:23.35 | Grum | sylvaan: yeah that is the coolest part :p |
| 15:23.41 | dreamss | and totem that reduces mana on hw by 24 |
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| 15:23.47 | dreamss | makes my rank 1 zero mana |
| 15:24.04 | sylvaan | yeah, but it still starts the 5sr |
| 15:24.13 | Grum | hots as well dont they? |
| 15:24.16 | dreamss | nope |
| 15:24.19 | Grum | mmm |
| 15:24.24 | Grum | you 100% sure? |
| 15:24.33 | sylvaan | i tried it on my druid, with the lowercity book |
| 15:24.37 | dreamss | i was talking about rank 1 hw |
| 15:25.02 | Grum | well from what i know only 'free' spells dont get you into FSR |
| 15:25.05 | kenlyric | i'm almost tempted to go get the lowercity book. |
| 15:25.06 | sylvaan | maybe i forgot the outcome then |
| 15:25.21 | dreamss | FSR? |
| 15:25.27 | kenlyric | but I value the mana regen more than the healing. |
| 15:25.34 | Grum | i find it *so* funny when people start boasting about 'i have ~2000 +healing' .. and end up with 2 of those prayerbook :D |
| 15:25.41 | Grum | FiveSecondRule |
| 15:25.48 | sylvaan | i think that the mana cost for fsr purposes is checked before any mana recudcing buffs |
| 15:25.48 | kenlyric | but really, would it have been so hard for either one of the trinkets to drop in karazhan? |
| 15:25.55 | kenlyric | trinkets and I just don't mix. |
| 15:26.03 | Grum | not it's not syl |
| 15:26.22 | Grum | when you use Inner Focus you will not get into FSR |
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| 15:26.29 | sylvaan | well, it dont work with the prayer book |
| 15:26.35 | sylvaan | yeah, i know innerfocus |
| 15:26.41 | Grum | no matter what heal you cast (reduces manacost to 0 +75% crit orso) |
| 15:26.47 | Grum | 25 even |
| 15:27.01 | sylvaan | but that reduces its base cost |
| 15:27.11 | dreamss | sec |
| 15:27.16 | sylvaan | i think that applies at a differnt time |
| 15:27.16 | Grum | best i can do is wait for a bangle proc - then proc the trinket - then use inner focus after 5 seconds of non-casting and dont cast for 5 more seconds |
| 15:27.34 | Grum | then i have full spirit for 15s .. and that is about .. meuh .. 1200-1400 mana orso |
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| 15:28.07 | Grum | or just drink a pot and get 4k mana back ^^ |
| 15:28.14 | kenlyric | or do both |
| 15:28.16 | sylvaan | dreamless sleep |
| 15:28.23 | sylvaan | and have it dispelled |
| 15:28.24 | kenlyric | dispell |
| 15:28.37 | Grum | if you dispell it dont you loose the effect? |
| 15:28.45 | sylvaan | no joke |
| 15:28.50 | kenlyric | well, you can't dispel it. |
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| 15:28.54 | Grum | you can |
| 15:28.55 | kenlyric | idiots paladins, usuall. |
| 15:28.56 | kenlyric | y |
| 15:28.59 | sylvaan | paladins |
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| 15:29.14 | sylvaan | you can dispell it tho |
| 15:29.19 | Grum | ah well ... FelMana pots FTW in this case |
| 15:29.21 | kenlyric | i guess you can remove the debuff. |
| 15:29.31 | kenlyric | really? |
| 15:29.50 | sylvaan | they have a separate timer or something |
| 15:29.55 | kenlyric | no. |
| 15:30.09 | Grum | Fel Mana pots give me back 4480 mana .. guaranteed :) |
| 15:30.17 | kenlyric | fel mana pots confuse me. |
| 15:30.26 | sylvaan | me too |
| 15:30.27 | kenlyric | hmmm, alch stone probably would make the healing loss worth it. |
| 15:30.38 | sica | not only guaranteed but you can use it much earlier in the fight because they return the mana over time |
| 15:30.39 | Grum | it's like shadowfiend but then better because it cant die |
| 15:30.42 | kenlyric | fel mana pot = hunter pot. |
| 15:30.54 | CIA-22 | 03pettigrow * r48326 10BigWigs/ (7 files in 4 dirs): BigWigs: frFR Update |
| 15:30.56 | CIA-22 | 03eternally777 * r48327 10DrugTest/RaidTable.lua: |
| 15:30.56 | CIA-22 | DrugTest: |
| 15:30.56 | CIA-22 | * Detect flasks purchased with Marks of the Illidari. |
| 15:31.12 | Grum | sica: i dont really like that but yeah you could |
| 15:31.28 | nevcairiel | doesnt BigBrother already do drug testing? |
| 15:31.34 | Grum | i usually do 100->70 and then do the bangleproc+innerfocus |
| 15:31.43 | Grum | and then -> 60 and manapot |
| 15:31.44 | dreamss | http://thottbot.com/i28727 http://thottbot.com/i30023 = mucho mana |
| 15:31.52 | Grum | erm -> 60 and manamonster :P |
| 15:31.57 | Grum | then manapot :D |
| 15:32.25 | sylvaan | they tic 4 times? |
| 15:32.30 | Grum | Pendant of the Violet Eye is crap |
| 15:32.33 | kenlyric | dreamss: yeah, stop rubbing it in. |
| 15:32.46 | Grum | Use: Each spell cast within 20 seconds will grant a stacking bonus of 21 mana regen per 5 sec. Expires after 20 seconds. Abilities with no mana cost will not trigger this trinket. |
| 15:33.00 | CIA-22 | 03funkydude * r48328 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Souls.lua: BigWigs: BlackTemple/Souls: bugfix |
| 15:33.04 | sylvaan | so you get how much mana tops |
| 15:33.06 | kenlyric | would you say it's better than heavenly inspiration? |
| 15:33.08 | sylvaan | 400 |
| 15:33.11 | cryogen | heh i love that trinket |
| 15:33.15 | dreamss | Grum my free rank1 hw dosent break the rule and procs it |
| 15:33.15 | cryogen | i use it for the int though |
| 15:33.17 | dreamss | aka win |
| 15:33.19 | Grum | so you cast 13 flashheals |
| 15:33.47 | Grum | and you get 0-260mp5 over 20s |
| 15:34.03 | Grum | so 130mp5 for 20s .. so 4x130mana back |
| 15:34.12 | Grum | provided you cast 13 times |
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| 15:34.29 | sylvaan | so was i close with 400, or is it 800 |
| 15:34.41 | kenlyric | 3 minute cooldown? |
| 15:34.44 | sylvaan | 2 |
| 15:34.44 | Grum | oh i used 20 instead of 21 |
| 15:34.45 | kenlyric | oh, 2min |
| 15:34.56 | kenlyric | dunno, sounds better than heavenly inspiration. |
| 15:34.57 | kadrahil | hum de dum |
| 15:35.13 | sylvaan | 440 mana |
| 15:35.16 | sylvaan | every 2 min |
| 15:35.17 | Grum | 546 mana |
| 15:35.23 | Grum | if you cast 13 times ;) |
| 15:35.24 | dreamss | shamans is the only class that can effectivly downrank |
| 15:35.26 | dreamss | hehe |
| 15:35.29 | dreamss | i like to be op |
| 15:35.42 | Grum | not true |
| 15:35.45 | Grum | i downrank as well |
| 15:35.45 | sylvaan | what does maril's eye give |
| 15:35.56 | Grum | just 1 rank .. but still |
| 15:35.58 | kenlyric | sylvaan: it works out to 10mp5 |
| 15:36.05 | dreamss | healing way gives ur spells 100% of ur +healing |
| 15:36.06 | kenlyric | that's what my old priest had. |
| 15:36.08 | dreamss | even if u downrank |
| 15:36.34 | Grum | not if you downrank more than 6 levels when you learned the spell |
| 15:36.44 | kenlyric | so, heavenly inspiriation > old trinkets but < anything you get at 70. |
| 15:36.49 | Eggi | you also get the proc from the illidan mace if you use chain heal rank 1 |
| 15:36.52 | sylvaan | marils eye gives 360 mana every 3 min, and you dont have to cast |
| 15:37.10 | Silviu- | Funkeh` wtb black temple map ;p |
| 15:37.16 | Grum | and next to that you only get 3/3.5*100% of the +healing |
| 15:37.19 | Silviu- | Funkeh` pls pls ;) |
| 15:37.34 | dreamss | rthere is one |
| 15:37.36 | dreamss | in ggle |
| 15:38.10 | Silviu- | dreamss in cartographer ;) |
| 15:38.31 | sylvaan | seems like crap, nice int |
| 15:38.49 | dreamss | i dint knew bt was a huge labyrint |
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| 15:38.56 | dreamss | must be crazy to make a map |
| 15:39.30 | Grum | dreamss: i dont get why you say healing wave downranked still gets full +healing if it doesnt do that from the start ;D |
| 15:39.44 | dreamss | healing way |
| 15:39.49 | dreamss | its bugged ish |
| 15:39.52 | dreamss | got insane buffed |
| 15:40.03 | dreamss | r1 healing wave goes from 40 heals to 300 |
| 15:40.22 | dreamss | talent from resto tree, has to be stacked 3 times |
| 15:40.47 | Grum | that's normal dreamss :) |
| 15:41.02 | dreamss | so if i have that up all the timei save abuttload of mana |
| 15:41.07 | dreamss | 200mana 2k heals |
| 15:41.08 | dreamss | heh |
| 15:43.13 | Grum | hmm i've got 2.5s casted 259 mana 1975 avg hitting heals |
| 15:43.21 | Grum | basically: 'Heal Rank 4' :D |
| 15:44.01 | dreamss | 228 mana for 2008 heals |
| 15:44.16 | dreamss | 160 for 1668 |
| 15:44.18 | dreamss | :P |
| 15:44.28 | Grum | that avg or crit? |
| 15:44.34 | dreamss | hit |
| 15:44.42 | dreamss | 3k 395 mana |
| 15:44.47 | Grum | max hit? |
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| 15:45.16 | Grum | ah well i downgraded some of my heals because the healing per mana is more efficient with 1 rank less on my flash/greater |
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| 15:45.24 | Grum | and i dont really notice the difference in 'healing put out' |
| 15:45.44 | Grum | where i do notice the -70 mana per cast i have :) |
| 15:46.12 | dreamss | yeah |
| 15:46.15 | dreamss | i have ns |
| 15:46.22 | dreamss | so max rank has its uses |
| 15:46.40 | Grum | i heal with 5 buttons O.o |
| 15:46.42 | sb | hmm drugtest, so i can dump bigbrother and use ccbreaker+drugtest, right? :p |
| 15:46.46 | Grum | oh 6 |
| 15:47.08 | Grum | flash/greater/shield/renew/pom/coh :p |
| 15:47.39 | dreamss | Your Healing Wave spells have a {33/66/100}% chance to increase the effect of subsequent Healing Wave spells on that target by 6%. This effect will stack up to 3 times |
| 15:47.52 | Grum | lame ;D |
| 15:47.57 | Grum | op class! |
| 15:48.01 | Grum | anyhow .. 2hometime! |
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| 15:49.26 | dreamss | imo shamans are the best healers atm |
| 15:49.28 | dreamss | :P |
| 15:50.12 | sica | nah, a mixture of shamans and paladins rocks |
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| 15:56.35 | the-golem | hrrmmm |
| 15:57.00 | the-golem | is anyone else having WOW connection problems |
| 15:57.02 | the-golem | ? |
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| 16:01.28 | Fisker- | that's impossible Grum |
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| 16:04.27 | ie|Stiffe | does threat-1.0 handle resisting soulshatters? |
| 16:04.39 | ie|Stiffe | + properly |
| 16:05.56 | ie|Stiffe | noticed that i resisted it yesterday and still dropped down on omen |
| 16:06.25 | Pkekyo | HAI GUISE!!!!!1111 |
| 16:06.39 | charon | ie|Stiffe: by the looks of the source, it should |
| 16:06.40 | Pkekyo | <--- bored, obviously... |
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| 16:07.31 | RaydenUni | HAI PKEKYO!!! |
| 16:07.33 | ie|Stiffe | okey, just wanted to report it, got latest threat-1.0 etc |
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| 16:08.07 | charon | ie|Stiffe: well if you think it's broken you should speak to Antiarc, though he's not around very often |
| 16:08.15 | cryogen | can you resist SS on one target but not others? |
| 16:08.32 | ie|Stiffe | think so cryogen |
| 16:08.40 | ie|Stiffe | but it was on bloodboil so |
| 16:08.43 | ie|Stiffe | only 1 npc there :) |
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| 16:09.06 | Pkekyo | hai RaydenUni |
| 16:09.06 | Pkekyo | done any more work on that world zone design theory yet? |
| 16:09.13 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 16:09.19 | RaydenUni | some discussion with some people in another channel |
| 16:09.26 | RaydenUni | oh wait |
| 16:09.30 | RaydenUni | no, that was a different topic |
| 16:09.31 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 16:09.35 | RaydenUni | a more interesting one i would say |
| 16:09.41 | RaydenUni | but no, not much about zone design |
| 16:09.55 | RaydenUni | my ideas weren't really anything new, just more focus on a certain aspect |
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| 16:11.19 | Pkekyo | maybe not new, but better than blizzard's current ones |
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| 16:12.05 | RaydenUni | i think blizzard is doing what i talk about |
| 16:12.11 | RaydenUni | its just not as clear to the users as i would like it to be |
| 16:13.21 | RaydenUni | interested in a more difficult problem? |
| 16:13.23 | RaydenUni | not related to wow though |
| 16:13.32 | RaydenUni | http://wiki.raydenuni.com/index.php?title=UnevenTeams |
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| 16:30.21 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: what's that all about? |
| 16:32.07 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: have you tried the Half-Life mod Natural Selection? |
| 16:32.20 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo yes |
| 16:32.28 | RaydenUni | that's where most of my discussion has been, in #naturalselection |
| 16:32.38 | RaydenUni | :) |
| 16:33.17 | RaydenUni | come join us if you want: irc.gamesurge.net |
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| 16:33.31 | Killmore | I love NS ! |
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| 16:33.56 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 16:35.05 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: done |
| 16:35.12 | Mudkips | team fortress 2 is gonna own |
| 16:35.15 | Pkekyo | also: NS is great :> |
| 16:35.18 | Mudkips | can't wait |
| 16:35.27 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: agreed...I fell in love with the concept art |
| 16:35.50 | Pkekyo | all of last autumn at my school was wasted by us playing Natural Selection :> |
| 16:36.21 | Mudkips | we played yahoo games in cisco networking |
| 16:37.03 | Pkekyo | damnit...just got KOTOR as my kara raid is about to start :< |
| 16:37.33 | RaydenUni | the NS2 site went live about a week again |
| 16:38.11 | Mudkips | start? |
| 16:38.12 | Pkekyo | really? |
| 16:38.14 | Pkekyo | got linkage? |
| 16:38.14 | Mudkips | are you in EU? |
| 16:38.22 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: correctemundo |
| 16:38.53 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: I have to agree with your theory about team balances...the last two small paragraphs makes alot of sense |
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| 16:39.21 | Pkekyo | Mudkips: howso? |
| 16:39.32 | RaydenUni | i'm adding some stuff now Pkekyo. mostly flushing out the AI ideas |
| 16:39.53 | Pkekyo | the idea in itself is good |
| 16:40.00 | Pkekyo | but it's hard to put to life a decent AI to support the idea |
| 16:40.53 | Pkekyo | christ, GM is bringing his green/blue geared mother to kara again >.< |
| 16:41.00 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather cowslip |
| 16:41.03 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Cowslip, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (19/42/0). 5994 HP; 6025 Mana; 112 mana regen; 13 mp5; 4363 Armour; 703 AP; 123.1 Melee DPS; 22.64% melee crit; 68 melee hit; 26 +spell dmg/heal; 23.48% dodge; 5% block; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 532 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2cp4dm ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2uenx9 ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 12:52:40 2007 ]] |
| 16:41.06 | Pkekyo | she's ninjaing all my dps gear |
| 16:41.10 | |Stan| | Pkekyo: lool |
| 16:41.39 | Pkekyo | |Stan|: it makes me wanna go /wrist |
| 16:41.41 | kaiden | *cries* the hello kitty cycircled addon DOESNT work!! |
| 16:41.41 | kaiden | :p |
| 16:42.02 | |Stan| | Pkekyo: welll he got other problems when his mum is playing WoW...so..be nice :P |
| 16:42.23 | Pkekyo | whilst there's four really_damn_good DPSers in que for the raid |
| 16:42.42 | Pkekyo | |Stan|: she's holding the whole fucking raid back, causing us to lose an hour or so progress |
| 16:42.58 | |Stan| | omg |
| 16:43.07 | Pkekyo | and that guy just had a rant on the forums about people sponging off other's hard efforts in pve... it's a fucking joke |
| 16:43.13 | |Stan| | team up with the other members |
| 16:43.17 | NeoTron | 2nd Solarian kill. got my (warlock) trinket |
| 16:43.17 | |Stan| | and make a new guild |
| 16:43.20 | Pkekyo | she haven't even done a single fucking heroic |
| 16:43.28 | Pkekyo | |Stan|: not gonna happen |
| 16:43.34 | NeoTron | it's amazing how much better the felguard handles AoE with 220 to 280 resistance |
| 16:43.48 | |Stan| | Pkekyo: why? |
| 16:44.27 | Pkekyo | |Stan|: this guild is a result of such an action...too small and tight guild...can't pull it off |
| 16:44.44 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, get an active server ? |
| 16:44.50 | Pkekyo | christ, the chick is using a +22 int mainhand when she's enhancement |
| 16:44.56 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: can't afford a transfer |
| 16:45.01 | cncfanatics | reroll :) |
| 16:45.24 | NeoTron | since wowace really isn't it, is there a good irc place (or forum other than blizz) to recruit btw? |
| 16:45.33 | NeoTron | we'rel ooking for some druids and elemental shammies |
| 16:45.34 | kenlyric | there are active servers? lies |
| 16:45.46 | Pkekyo | worst thing is, if we down illhoof tonight and the DPS mace drops, she will get the mace no_matter_what >.< |
| 16:45.58 | kenlyric | no matter what? how? stab . |
| 16:46.28 | Pkekyo | she has less fucking AP than me in my tankinggear |
| 16:46.35 | NeoTron | our ench shammy got the onehanded mace from Al'ar last night |
| 16:46.36 | Pkekyo | I'm almost 300 AP above her |
| 16:46.43 | kenlyric | so she needs gear? :) |
| 16:46.52 | kenlyric | neotron, you need priests, amirite? |
| 16:46.59 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: she needs to play her way through normal instances and heroics like the rest of us did |
| 16:47.04 | NeoTron | kenlyric: not heavily. shadow priest possibly |
| 16:47.08 | kenlyric | bah! |
| 16:47.28 | Fisker- | bah |
| 16:47.35 | Fisker- | can't play HL2 and WoW at the same time |
| 16:47.38 | NeoTron | basically we lost our balance druid, mostly lost our feral dps/ot druid and lost our elemental shaman |
| 16:47.41 | NeoTron | all in about one week |
| 16:47.46 | kenlyric | I got incredibly lucky going through normal instances, some folks don't. |
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| 16:48.11 | sylvanaar | omg i just got ina group with the SAME shadow priest |
| 16:48.18 | NeoTron | !c us Kilrogg Adailise |
| 16:48.21 | ThraeBot | NeoTron: Adailise, Level 70 Human Paladin (45/16/0). 6747 HP; 7788 Mana; 183 mana regen; 58 mp5; 10853 Armour; 76.5 Melee DPS; 4.66% melee crit; 66 spell crit; 279 +spell dmg; 1004 +heal; 3.73% dodge; 5% block;[[ TBR: 833 ][ Link: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kilrogg&n=Adailise ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2todaw ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 12:59:59 2007 ]] |
| 16:48.25 | kaiden | kenlyric, that's an untrue statement.. |
| 16:48.27 | kenlyric | NeoTron, i'll just stand outside and cheer and buy candles for the other priests. |
| 16:48.30 | NeoTron | I healed karazhan with that pally |
| 16:48.32 | kaiden | SOME should be MOST |
| 16:48.34 | kaiden | :P |
| 16:48.40 | NeoTron | and the sad part is, on aran I did 40% of the healing |
| 16:48.50 | kenlyric | I did one run where I got all four drops. |
| 16:48.53 | vithos | we have a green/blue wearing enh shaman tagging along to ssc/tk raids to get keyed. is windfury really going to make up for him being outdpsed by my pet in bt? |
| 16:48.59 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: well, she haven't tried even..she's never online, but gets into kara raids with crap gear since she's related to the gm |
| 16:49.08 | kenlyric | Pkekyo: oh, suck. |
| 16:49.17 | NeoTron | vithos: probably not? :) |
| 16:49.23 | kenlyric | heck, I got half my 70 gear just getting attuned for kara :) |
| 16:49.26 | Pkekyo | NOONE but her would be alllowed to join a kara raid at her gear level |
| 16:49.28 | NeoTron | but maybe he will get some good gear |
| 16:50.00 | NeoTron | Pkekyo: look at my pallies gear level. should I be allowed in kara with that? |
| 16:50.07 | kaiden | Pkekyo, the worse thing is we just invited some priest named Samiee to our guild that currently does Mag/Gruul/TK and she goes on all the runs.. she's got some nice gear but i popped on recount last night to figure out why she was always dying and out of mana |
| 16:50.18 | kaiden | she never shielded herself a single time, she ONLY used flash heal |
| 16:50.30 | cncfanatics | kara is a crap place that can be finished in full blue ? why bitch about it ? |
| 16:50.32 | NeoTron | kaiden: ah. we've had a couple of solely-flash-heal priests |
| 16:50.33 | cncfanatics | heck, even pugs finish it |
| 16:51.04 | NeoTron | when I healed 40% on aran, we had a better equipped holy priest and a better equipped resto shammy in the raid |
| 16:51.07 | NeoTron | so it's really all relative |
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| 16:51.24 | Pkekyo | NeoTron: I probably would bring you along, but that would depend on teh gear level of the rest of the raid... |
| 16:51.25 | NeoTron | skill > class/gear a lot of the time |
| 16:51.29 | kaiden | NeoTron, yeah it's based on whether they actually know how to play their class |
| 16:51.29 | kaiden | ;p |
| 16:51.37 | NeoTron | mind you |
| 16:51.41 | Pkekyo | as it is now, the shammy is losing us an hour or so of possible progress in kara |
| 16:51.44 | kaiden | i personally stick to greater heals & PoM's |
| 16:51.49 | NeoTron | my lack of gear was helped by having two shadow priests |
| 16:51.54 | NeoTron | and on priest, we had two resto shamans |
| 16:51.59 | NeoTron | so I really couldn't run out of mana |
| 16:52.01 | kaiden | it gives me extra mana regen time & PoM just rocks for mana usage |
| 16:52.18 | NeoTron | PoM rocks primarily due to threat generation |
| 16:52.26 | kaiden | a lot of the priests i talk to say dude use renew |
| 16:52.28 | NeoTron | there's a huge difference btween PoM healed tank and non-PoM healed |
| 16:52.37 | kaiden | << finds renew to be useless in most situations |
| 16:52.39 | NeoTron | esp on single-target encounters like prince and nightbane |
| 16:52.54 | NeoTron | we have one priest that essentially keeps renew up on the entire raid |
| 16:52.56 | NeoTron | he's pretty suck |
| 16:52.58 | kaiden | renews good when it's just a one shot aoe dmg whoops the rogue took 1400 dmg |
| 16:52.59 | NeoTron | sick |
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| 16:53.04 | Pkekyo | NeoTron: to give you a better idea of her gear level... I'm the guild's main tank, 48 deep in prot...on the last kara raid she attended I outdamaged her by 5-6% ! |
| 16:53.05 | CIA-22 | 03ascalia * r48330 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 16:53.05 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 16:53.05 | CIA-22 | - Hyjal Summit Designs added |
| 16:53.09 | NeoTron | basically there's room for different kind of players |
| 16:53.18 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo too strange for you in there? :D |
| 16:53.23 | NeoTron | Pkekyo: probably a combo of gear/skill |
| 16:53.37 | NeoTron | does she at least use windfury for the melee dps? |
| 16:53.42 | kenlyric | NeoTron: you need to recruit me now. |
| 16:53.43 | Pkekyo | RaydenUni: can't really be arsed to idle there when I've got nothing to contribute :p |
| 16:53.47 | kenlyric | so I can punch that priest. |
| 16:53.55 | Pkekyo | NeoTron: look at her specc...she can't specc for shit! and no, no windfury |
| 16:54.37 | NeoTron | so she sucks |
| 16:54.37 | Pkekyo | yeah |
| 16:54.37 | Pkekyo | and her gear sucks |
| 16:54.37 | NeoTron | if she was good, gear would be ok |
| 16:54.37 | NeoTron | but she has bad gear AND sucks |
| 16:54.37 | Pkekyo | she hardly ever play, and won't improve her gear |
| 16:54.37 | Pkekyo | but her son keeps approving her for kara |
| 16:54.37 | NeoTron | kenlyric: I'll pull up a WWS for you |
| 16:54.37 | kenlyric | those things are frequently related. |
| 16:54.37 | Pkekyo | and giving her my dps loot |
| 16:54.42 | CIA-22 | 03ascalia * r48331 10AtlasLoot/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:54.42 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 16:54.42 | CIA-22 | - Hyjal Summit Desgins added |
| 16:54.42 | CIA-22 | - corrected German Karazhan issue |
| 16:54.46 | NeoTron | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=eyfb4h5rgn1dy |
| 16:54.51 | NeoTron | Check healing meters for last night |
| 16:54.53 | kenlyric | despite what people say, people who suck have a harder time getting gear. |
| 16:54.55 | NeoTron | Farah is the priest to look for |
| 16:55.16 | kenlyric | do your pallies live near power lines? |
| 16:55.22 | kenlyric | did they eat paint chips as a kid? |
| 16:55.26 | Pkekyo | she didn't even know wether to replace her healing trinket or her dps trinket when she ninjaed a dps trinket off me! |
| 16:55.47 | NeoTron | kenlyric: not afaik |
| 16:56.25 | Pkekyo | kenlyric: maybe they do, but then: A - they've got themselves to blame, and B - still shouldn't be allowed to raid when they're a complete liafuckingbility |
| 16:57.10 | NeoTron | in fact tervor is the best paladin I've played with and halstrom is a really good "focused" healer (he sucks at raid heals, but do really good on MT healing |
| 16:57.15 | Pkekyo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_tV7Tk6Xag ftw |
| 16:57.59 | cncfanatics | NeoTron, palas suck at raid heals cuz they're palas |
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| 16:58.14 | Fisker- | bah |
| 16:58.15 | NeoTron | they are great at MT healing so that's primarily what they do |
| 16:58.19 | Fisker- | HL2 just crashed |
| 16:58.25 | NeoTron | they are not good at "aoe heal" which is where preists/shammies rule |
| 16:58.44 | Pkekyo | Fisker-: retail or pirate? :> |
| 16:58.47 | kenlyric | that priest is pretty good. you clearly need another like her. |
| 16:59.06 | NeoTron | healing meters are in general rather useless too |
| 16:59.13 | NeoTron | since different ppl have different assignments |
| 16:59.24 | Pkekyo | overhealing meaters say alot more :> |
| 16:59.24 | kenlyric | though, 3/5 mental strength over 3/5 emp healing for someone that does 54% gheal makes me dizzy. |
| 16:59.38 | NeoTron | I think azuka is the best healer we have right now in terms of ppl on his watch not dying |
| 16:59.46 | kenlyric | overheal meters should just say "shadow priest" |
| 16:59.48 | NeoTron | well azuka and tervor |
| 17:00.13 | kenlyric | wait, you assign healing. god that would be so wonderful. |
| 17:00.19 | NeoTron | I think farah did a lot more gheal than usual due to healing me and the other AR tank on solarian |
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| 17:00.53 | NeoTron | I think we had 5-6 healers on the two of us in the end |
| 17:01.01 | NeoTron | and we both died once each |
| 17:01.30 | NeoTron | http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=eyfb4h5rgn1dy&s=8669-9114&a=66 |
| 17:01.44 | NeoTron | I like that list |
| 17:01.50 | dreamss | hehe 400 mp5 lolol |
| 17:01.57 | kenlyric | hmmm, and you're on a pve server. |
| 17:02.10 | kaiden | Kirkburn, evil i tell you |
| 17:02.21 | kaiden | Kirkburn, clearfont is repeatedly crashing my wow with 132 errors :P |
| 17:02.26 | Kirkburn | >_> |
| 17:02.42 | NeoTron | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=30449 <3 |
| 17:02.47 | kaiden | Kirkburn, when using Niagara to change font size it borks it up |
| 17:02.49 | kenlyric | i will just come over and fish up tasty food buffs. |
| 17:02.57 | Aeyan | Shh, he lurks. |
| 17:03.03 | dreamss | felguards are insane |
| 17:03.19 | kenlyric | 375 fishing is what I'll bring to your raids. |
| 17:03.22 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r48332 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: |
| 17:03.22 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 17:03.22 | CIA-22 | - Cleaned up tooltip display options code |
| 17:03.26 | dreamss | but they cant solo a doomguard from cod |
| 17:03.30 | NeoTron | 2xT5, trinket, shadow priest |
| 17:03.44 | NeoTron | during the entire night, my felguard died 3 times |
| 17:03.55 | NeoTron | mind you he only did trash, al'ar, FL and Leo |
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| 17:04.49 | kaiden | i can't fix it :( |
| 17:04.51 | NeoTron | I was about 0.5 second away from killing a boss with CoD the other night |
| 17:05.01 | dreamss | HAHA |
| 17:05.01 | Aeyan | My warlock friend has been a little disillusioned with his felguard since he hit 70 |
| 17:05.12 | Aeyan | Thinks it's entirely too fragile in most of the higher end stuff |
| 17:05.18 | NeoTron | Aeyan: he is if he tanks |
| 17:05.22 | dreamss | its not for raids |
| 17:05.28 | [Ammo] | that's why they're called felnubs |
| 17:05.34 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 17:05.34 | dreamss | they for pvp |
| 17:05.42 | NeoTron | they work really well in raids if you have the gear to support them |
| 17:05.48 | Skyboat | I managed to spawn a Doomguard from a Hellfire Channeler on Magtheridon once, that was fun |
| 17:05.55 | dreamss | xx/10/xx is more a raid spec |
| 17:06.04 | NeoTron | atm my felguard has, with imp, almost 10k HP, he has 220 resist all, 280 resist if I have a +70 aura... |
| 17:06.07 | Gagorian | I wouldn't spec FG for pvp though |
| 17:06.08 | NeoTron | he doesn't die |
| 17:06.18 | Gagorian | Felhunter is a much better asset in arenas |
| 17:06.35 | Aeyan | Arenas are a little different than world pvp though |
| 17:06.43 | dreamss | i dunno |
| 17:06.47 | NeoTron | the felguard was staying in for spore quake on the bog lords and took about 4k dmg total |
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| 17:07.10 | dreamss | felguard is a good pet for melee and cloths |
| 17:07.14 | dreamss | in pvp |
| 17:07.15 | Gagorian | World PvP is just ridiculously easy with full PvP gear anyway |
| 17:07.27 | NeoTron | not saying it's the best spec. it is however extremely viable |
| 17:07.32 | NeoTron | much like BM hunter is viable |
| 17:07.41 | dreamss | all u need sta and ur op |
| 17:07.43 | dreamss | :P |
| 17:07.56 | NeoTron | http://www.wowmb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17405 |
| 17:08.15 | NeoTron | experiences raiding SSC, TK, Hyjal and BT with a felguard |
| 17:08.23 | NeoTron | (without the resist trinket) |
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| 17:10.30 | dreamss | Reached nice spelldamage spike (without destruction potion) 1937 shadow damage. |
| 17:10.31 | dreamss | lol |
| 17:11.58 | NeoTron | heh |
| 17:12.19 | NeoTron | in karazhan when you have that library trash "debuff" I once had a trinket + two equipment procs happen at the same time |
| 17:12.22 | NeoTron | that was pretty insane |
| 17:12.27 | NeoTron | wasn't demo spec at the time though |
| 17:12.37 | dreamss | with 2k spell dmg u give ur felguard like 600ap? |
| 17:13.28 | Pkekyo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D6h3br8N8A&mode=related&search= <--- now THIS would be fun |
| 17:15.23 | NeoTron | dunno honestly |
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| 17:16.47 | dreamss | but yeah i knew that about the felguard |
| 17:16.48 | dreamss | heh |
| 17:18.46 | NeoTron | warlocks are "unbalanced" they say. I think we're simply "balanced" |
| 17:18.54 | NeoTron | all three trees are viable for raiding which is pretty unique |
| 17:19.47 | kenlyric | that would make you balanced against yourselves. |
| 17:20.16 | charon_ | is there a way to trigger a garbage collection? slash command or similiar |
| 17:20.24 | Mudkips | what not? |
| 17:20.34 | cncfanatics | charon_, there is a script command somewhere, but can't remember it |
| 17:20.59 | Mudkips | nvm |
| 17:20.59 | Fisker- | does cancellation still work? |
| 17:21.36 | [Ammo] | charon_: /script colletgarbage() |
| 17:21.40 | [Ammo] | collect even |
| 17:22.06 | Fisker- | oh hi |
| 17:22.31 | charon_ | [Ammo]: thanks |
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| 17:32.29 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo there was some discusson of controlling a Zerg swarm sort of like how you control a pet in wow |
| 17:32.33 | RaydenUni | offensive/defensive etc |
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| 17:53.08 | |TheKarn| | anyone got a nice simple pitbull layout? |
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| 18:00.18 | Nickenyfiken | Pkekyo: norwegians... |
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| 18:05.21 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:05.36 | Fisker- | oh hi |
| 18:07.06 | Nickenyfiken | hey hey |
| 18:07.16 | |TheKarn| | hey hey ck |
| 18:07.32 | |TheKarn| | you got any simple pitbull layouts kicking around by any chance? |
| 18:07.37 | Nickenyfiken | |TheKarn|: have you checked the forum thread with layouts? |
| 18:07.39 | ckknight | check the forum |
| 18:08.09 | |TheKarn| | ~pitbull |
| 18:08.10 | purl | i guess pitbull is a unitframe designed to be as efficient as possible while still having a lot of customization, and it being made by ckknight and others. (layouts: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6878.0 thread: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6823.0) |
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| 18:11.34 | cncfanatics | yo ckk, how's rock getting allong ? |
| 18:11.57 | ckknight | I don't like the drama associated with ti |
| 18:11.59 | ckknight | it* |
| 18:12.27 | cncfanatics | same |
| 18:12.34 | cncfanatics | politics and coding should be unrelated, sigh |
| 18:13.03 | Chompers | if only |
| 18:13.23 | ckknight | yea... |
| 18:13.29 | cncfanatics | fuck politics, seriously |
| 18:13.36 | cncfanatics | framework wars are the last thing we need |
| 18:13.56 | NightHawkTheSane | cncfanatics: as much as I agree with you, politics is related to -everything-. |
| 18:14.11 | cncfanatics | I know |
| 18:14.14 | ckknight | but as soon as someone even tries to compare the two, it becomes political, someone might get defensive, and it all just gets worse |
| 18:14.21 | cncfanatics | as long as there's people there's politics |
| 18:14.36 | cncfanatics | ckknight, I plan to actualy try to benchwork both Ace3 & Rock & Dongle, neutraly |
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| 18:15.06 | CIA-22 | 03pb_ee1 * r48333 10Elephant/Event-Handle.lua: Elephant: Fixing "trying to index msg (a nil value)" when joining a party. |
| 18:15.15 | clad|away | cncfanatics: whats the point? |
| 18:15.25 | clad|away | Why can't we get back to a point where people care about the addons, not the framework |
| 18:15.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 18:15.39 | cncfanatics | agree with that too |
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| 18:15.55 | clad|away | furthering the inter-framework comparisons just serves to set up even further back |
| 18:16.09 | cncfanatics | stopping putting - Ace2 - and shit and devs losing their bad habbit of advertising a mod as Ace2 - Dongle or whatever would be a good star |
| 18:16.14 | cncfanatics | s/star/start/ |
| 18:16.30 | clad|away | mod authors have never advertised a mod as a "Dongle" addon, or I'd have found them and beat them |
| 18:16.35 | clad|away | I've been adamant about that since the start |
| 18:16.43 | cncfanatics | Ace2 then |
| 18:16.44 | NightHawkTheSane | it's mostly just an ace2 thing. |
| 18:16.54 | clad|away | All that matters is the user experience, and the feature set of an addon |
| 18:16.56 | cncfanatics | frameworks shouldnt be speaken off |
| 18:17.04 | NightHawkTheSane | which probably started back in ace, when you couldn't embed the library so it had to be "you need ace for this" |
| 18:17.07 | cncfanatics | at least not end-user wise |
| 18:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | and then it all just got out of hand from there. |
| 18:17.40 | clad|away | Each framework we have now serves a specific purpose, illustrate those to the authors, and code with what makes you happy |
| 18:17.45 | cncfanatics | "I love this mod, but it would be soooooo magicly much better if you added Ace2 = AceLibrary(...) in front of it !!!" |
| 18:17.46 | kenlyric | first they came for the frameworks, and I said nothing. |
| 18:17.59 | ckknight | lol, kenlyric |
| 18:18.18 | clad|away | although, I'm personally not going to push Dongle in the least, I still don't give one damn if anyone else uses it. |
| 18:18.40 | cncfanatics | clad|away, frameworks are getting heavy |
| 18:18.53 | cncfanatics | what I need from Ace2 could be written in say, 500ish lines or less (except for waterfall) |
| 18:18.57 | krka | ckknight: did you do the t[true] = true; t[true] = nil for recycling tables? |
| 18:19.02 | Tuller | cncfanatics: replace frameworks with Ace2 :P |
| 18:19.03 | clad|away | then don't specify "frameworks" plural. |
| 18:19.10 | krka | if so, what's it meant to accomplish, and how does it work? |
| 18:19.12 | Punkie` | cncfanatics: you should rephrase with "some" |
| 18:19.13 | clad|away | not to be a dick =) |
| 18:19.29 | krka | cncfanatics: many lines of code = quality |
| 18:19.54 | cncfanatics | ok, Ace2 is getting heavy |
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| 18:20.06 | cncfanatics | i'm using hmmmm, 3k+ lines of code ? thats 2.5k I don't need |
| 18:20.10 | cncfanatics | (just random numbers there) |
| 18:20.11 | Tuller | cncfanatics: now replace getting with, "has been for a long time" :P |
| 18:20.38 | clad|away | okay, Ace2 bashing isn't helping anyone |
| 18:20.48 | clad|away | point being, all four frameworks have a purpose they fill |
| 18:20.50 | cncfanatics | not really bashing, barely stating |
| 18:20.52 | Tuller | but....we're establishing a problem :) |
| 18:20.54 | |TheKarn| | hmm ck it seems enabling the "sort by name" option in grouping messes up the config mode |
| 18:20.59 | |TheKarn| | in pitbull ofc |
| 18:21.06 | clad|away | Tuller: that's fully established by the authors that need to know about it =) |
| 18:21.09 | cncfanatics | little question |
| 18:21.13 | cncfanatics | is there any standalone config GUI lib ? |
| 18:21.29 | Tuller | clad|away: true |
| 18:22.02 | clad|away | I don't think this channel can handle any more mindless rehashing =) |
| 18:22.07 | cncfanatics | :p |
| 18:22.18 | cncfanatics | ckknight, is RockConfig loadable standalone ? |
| 18:22.44 | Tuller | I would assume it requires rock |
| 18:23.39 | Tuller | lets play: look at code |
| 18:23.46 | cncfanatics | can't atm, or I would |
| 18:24.11 | Tuller | yeah, I just noticed that |
| 18:24.18 | Tuller | or did I |
| 18:24.32 | Tuller | if not Rock then error(MAJOR_VERSION .. " requires LibRock-1.0") end |
| 18:24.35 | Tuller | so yes, requires rock |
| 18:25.13 | Tuller | though rock + rock config is probably less junk than the equivalent for ace2 + niagara |
| 18:25.30 | Tuller | if all you want is just the niagara style config |
| 18:25.47 | cncfanatics | still lots of "junk" if all you want is easy GUIs |
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| 18:26.03 | Punkie` | cncfanatics: generally to make things easier requires said "junk" :) |
| 18:26.05 | Tuller | easy, and bad looking :) |
| 18:26.10 | Tuller | hrm |
| 18:26.15 | Pkekyo | http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/299/wowscrnshot090607202248gy4.jpg <--- comments? |
| 18:26.31 | Tuller | I know auctioneeer advanced now has some sort of gui thingy |
| 18:26.33 | Punkie` | Pkekyo: Your UI is growing hair |
| 18:26.53 | Pkekyo | Punkie`: LIES!!!!!!111 the evidence was planted by the prosecution! |
| 18:26.57 | rophy | there is HouseAuthority for configuration UI, although it's not quite finished yet. |
| 18:27.03 | Pkekyo | ...or something like that... |
| 18:27.10 | Tuller | hide hotkeys! |
| 18:27.20 | Punkie` | Pkekyo: It's almost as if you are playing your game with a constant Emo fringe ;) |
| 18:27.22 | Pkekyo | Tuller: which ones? |
| 18:27.27 | Tuller | all of them! |
| 18:27.35 | Pkekyo | Punkie`: err? |
| 18:27.39 | Pkekyo | Tuller: won't happen :< |
| 18:27.51 | Tuller | do it :P |
| 18:27.54 | Pkekyo | noes |
| 18:28.04 | Punkie` | Pkekyo: hiding your keys is quite nice actually :) |
| 18:28.20 | Punkie` | more screen real estate and lets you look at your game more |
| 18:28.27 | Punkie` | rather than looking at your action bars :) |
| 18:28.59 | Tuller | its just something you have to break yourself into doing |
| 18:29.07 | Punkie` | indeed |
| 18:29.28 | NightHawkTheSane | my problem is that for less-used spells, i forget precisely what hotkey i had for them. :P |
| 18:29.29 | Tuller | aka it was hard the first time I got rid of the menubar and bag buttons, too :P |
| 18:29.38 | NightHawkTheSane | or, alternately, i use the action buttons to monitor cooldowns |
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| 18:29.45 | Tuller | NightHawkTheSane: I 'solved' that by clicking on less used spells :) |
| 18:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Tuller: i hate clicking spells. :D |
| 18:30.05 | Punkie` | Tuller: like wise :) |
| 18:30.32 | Tuller | ok, then someone write a modal hotkey system |
| 18:30.46 | Punkie` | I levelled my first character to 60 by on-screen clicking :D |
| 18:30.51 | Punkie` | Just uh, don't tell Ammo :P |
| 18:30.55 | Tuller | haha |
| 18:31.28 | Tuller | I honestly solved the problem by implementing better paging stuff into bongos |
| 18:31.53 | Tuller | so my mainbar does a lot of stuff, and i don't have to remember hotkeys past say 1-6 |
| 18:32.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Tuller: hmm, explain further? |
| 18:32.26 | Tuller | NightHawkTheSane: well, tuller's a hybrid class |
| 18:32.42 | Tuller | NightHawkTheSane: so I implemented friendly/enemy paging early on to go along with my playstyle |
| 18:32.52 | Tuller | NightHawkTheSane: so 1 is rejuv and moonfire |
| 18:32.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh, I see. |
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| 18:33.27 | NightHawkTheSane | I use click casting for my shaman, so I don't really do that |
| 18:33.37 | NightHawkTheSane | well, for healing spells at least |
| 18:35.08 | Tuller | I just do a mix of click and hotkeys |
| 18:37.47 | Aeyan | I refuse to have more than about two rows of hotkeys on my screen |
| 18:38.00 | Aeyan | Mostly I just use them for cooldown/mana/rage reminders |
| 18:38.06 | Shadowed | rophy lies, HA is 500% finished |
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| 18:38.11 | Aeyan | Prefer binding stuff |
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| 18:39.07 | ckknight | cncfanatics: you need LibRock-1.0, is all |
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| 18:39.31 | Tuller | is precondition'd unitest'd |
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| 18:40.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Aeyan: yeah, same. Although on my shaman that doesn't work. Fuck totems. :P |
| 18:40.16 | Aeyan | Numpad works for mine |
| 18:40.25 | Aeyan | But then it's only 40ish |
| 18:40.26 | Tuller | I use a mouse! |
| 18:40.32 | Aeyan | Pfft to mice |
| 18:40.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Tuller: same. :P |
| 18:40.55 | Aeyan | I use mouse for those more when I started messing with yata/numen |
| 18:41.01 | Aeyan | Haven't played the shammy for a while though |
| 18:41.21 | NightHawkTheSane | well, actually i use Shift-F1 -> shift-F4, and just move the buttons into those hot keyed slots as needed |
| 18:41.31 | Aeyan | Hehe, same idea |
| 18:41.49 | Shadowed | cncfanatics, late but. Theres no such thing as really "small and clean" GUI creater, HA is still around 1,000 lines, and can't really be compressed anymore. |
| 18:41.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, more orless, i just didn't like any other totem bar solutions |
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| 18:43.14 | kadrahil | hmm |
| 18:43.22 | kadrahil | Tortheldrin realm doesn't sound familliar |
| 18:43.24 | kadrahil | -l |
| 18:43.26 | Aeyan | My current work-in-progress on my warrior alt -> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/Aeyan/Warcraft/ui0907-clean.jpg |
| 18:43.31 | Aeyan | Wish I had a better monitor |
| 18:43.34 | Cidan | I have a level 20 horde on Tortheldrin |
| 18:43.35 | Cidan | :D |
| 18:43.40 | Aeyan | 1280x1024 is starting to chafe |
| 18:43.54 | kadrahil | it's all of a sudden "recommended" |
| 18:44.49 | Aeyan | Never heard of it |
| 18:45.47 | Tuller | that's actually not a bad layout, but I have no idea what buffs you have :) |
| 18:46.07 | Aeyan | No buffs in that pic |
| 18:46.28 | Cidan | I like that layout |
| 18:46.34 | Aeyan | They're in the upper right corner in icon form |
| 18:46.36 | Cidan | What are those chat boxes? |
| 18:46.51 | Aeyan | blizzard ones |
| 18:46.53 | Aeyan | With mumble |
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| 18:47.19 | Cidan | is that autobar on the right? |
| 18:47.27 | Aeyan | No, just a bongos bar |
| 18:47.54 | Cidan | Very nice, better than mine. |
| 18:48.12 | Aeyan | Thanks =) |
| 18:48.27 | NightHawkTheSane | that is quite nice |
| 18:48.38 | Cidan | Now I totally need to redo my UI, it feels like junk now. :P |
| 18:48.43 | Aeyan | Aw, sorry |
| 18:48.46 | Aeyan | Haha |
| 18:48.57 | Aeyan | Actually I'm not sorry - pimp me some more please. |
| 18:49.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Aeyan: whats that to the left/right of your action bars? |
| 18:49.11 | Aeyan | Itemrack buttons |
| 18:49.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, thought so |
| 18:49.21 | Aeyan | I really only wanted the trinket ones (on the right) |
| 18:49.47 | Aeyan | But I'm obsessive about symmetry, so I put my weapons on the right |
| 18:49.53 | Aeyan | Right click them for swaps |
| 18:50.08 | |TheKarn| | what does the layout actually store in pitbull? it doesnt seem to do anything with height/width/scale/auras/borders |
| 18:51.04 | NightHawkTheSane | and, because i like pestering people, what is it that gives you the borders/backgrounds? eepanels? |
| 18:51.22 | Cidan | How did you outline everything with the black borders, or are those just frames you made? |
| 18:51.30 | Aeyan | eepanels |
| 18:51.34 | Aeyan | First time I've used them |
| 18:51.36 | ckknight | the general issue is that Rock provides extra features to libraries which are very useful. Also, Rock allows libraries to be mixins in a standard way. I'm honestly not sure if an agnostic standard will show up, but it might, and at that time, I might adhere to it. As far as the extra features, they could theoretically be handled by an external addon since it's devs only. For table recycling, though, that can't be, that has to be embe |
| 18:51.39 | ckknight | So that's mostly logistical complications. Also, I can't afford to wait around for things to happen, which is generally why I took things into my own hands wrt Rock and the libraries which depend on it. |
| 18:51.59 | kenlyric | monthsbehind. |
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| 18:53.29 | ckknight | that's as to why some libraries depend on Rock, btw, instead of being independent |
| 18:53.29 | sylvanaar | ok, end of the run i healed 1.2million, the spriest healed 100k |
| 18:53.43 | ckknight | sylvanaar: what class/spec are you? |
| 18:53.43 | Aeyan | Haha |
| 18:54.01 | sylvanaar | resto druid healing 3 melee in heroic mech |
| 18:54.35 | kenlyric | how much did the shadowpriest overheal, though. |
| 18:54.51 | sylvanaar | lol overheal? |
| 18:56.30 | sylvanaar | i dont know, clearly the meter is wrong it says he overhealed for his effective heal |
| 18:57.18 | sylvanaar | 9% of total healing |
| 18:57.48 | cncfanatics | sylvanaar, it could be he has 50% overhealing |
| 18:57.54 | sylvanaar | no |
| 18:57.56 | cncfanatics | which mean he'd effective heal == overheal |
| 18:58.13 | sylvanaar | total heal is 20k more than effective |
| 18:58.28 | cncfanatics | ok then its wrong |
| 18:58.30 | sylvanaar | the meter is wrong |
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| 19:00.19 | sylvanaar | his overheal is more than his total heal |
| 19:00.24 | sylvanaar | that is retarded |
| 19:01.15 | Arrowmaster | so you guys know that widescreen issue in bioshock that everybodys bitching about so badly where 4:3 shows more than 16:9 |
| 19:01.18 | krka | ckknight: did you do the t[true] = true; t[true] = nil for recycling tables? |
| 19:01.28 | Arrowmaster | i found an imho even worse widescreen issue |
| 19:01.42 | ckknight | yes, krka |
| 19:01.53 | ckknight | why? |
| 19:02.09 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: oh? |
| 19:02.44 | Arrowmaster | bioshock on 360 connected to 4:3 lcd monitor via vga cable with res set to either 1024x768 or 1280x1024 |
| 19:03.06 | cncfanatics | meh |
| 19:03.08 | Arrowmaster | and i cant get it to display fullscreen |
| 19:03.13 | cncfanatics | I cant stand anything lower then 1600x1200 anymore |
| 19:03.14 | Arrowmaster | its letterboxed |
| 19:04.06 | Arrowmaster | 360 vga is limited to certain resolutions, 1280x1024 is highest i can go since my monitor isnt widescreen and doesnt support 1920x1080 |
| 19:04.57 | Arrowmaster | but yeah ive played almost the entire game with stupid letterboxing |
| 19:05.01 | Mudkips | I have my lcd set at 1680x1050 and my friend asks me how I can read the small text >_> |
| 19:05.05 | krka | what's it meant to accomplish, and how does it work? |
| 19:05.15 | Mudkips | he probably uses 1024x768 |
| 19:05.23 | krka | can you really force a rehash by that? |
| 19:05.54 | Arrowmaster | although now i know why they decided to make widescreen show less than fullscreen instead of making it show more on the sides |
| 19:06.03 | ckknight | krka: yep, it makes the size 40 bytes instead of what it was before |
| 19:06.13 | ckknight | since it refixes the size on setting a key |
| 19:06.39 | krka | how can you be sure it refixes the size? |
| 19:06.48 | krka | i thought that only happened when the free-counter reached 0 |
| 19:07.05 | |TheKarn| | i just play bioshock on my pc |
| 19:07.06 | ckknight | by looking at collectgarbage('count') |
| 19:07.12 | Arrowmaster | minor spoiler but near the end you put on a big daddy helmet and the view changes to be looking out of a big circle front of the helmet, on widescreen the top and bottem are cut off so im guessing they show on fullscreen |
| 19:08.14 | krka | ckknight: but how do you guarantee that it rehashes? |
| 19:08.23 | krka | i dont see anything in the lua source that explains it |
| 19:08.36 | Arrowmaster | i think they would of had to change it to be an oval instead of a circle or something to make it work well with widescreen and fullscreen if widescreen had shown more on the sides than fullscreen |
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| 19:12.12 | CIA-22 | 03cwdg * r48334 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Class-2.2/Babble-Class-2.2.lua: |
| 19:12.12 | CIA-22 | Babble-2.2: |
| 19:12.12 | CIA-22 | -update zhCN for Class |
| 19:12.42 | krka | ckknight: does it work for all tables, or just tables with an empty hash part? |
| 19:13.22 | CIA-22 | 03Tristan * r48335 10Enhancer/ (11 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:13.22 | CIA-22 | Enhancer: |
| 19:13.22 | CIA-22 | - Changes to the localization to make it easier to translate |
| 19:16.51 | sylvanaar | you think i should get essence of the martyr? |
| 19:18.52 | kenlyric | to replace? |
| 19:19.05 | sylvanaar | idk i have like 10 trinkets |
| 19:19.13 | sylvanaar | lowercity pb |
| 19:19.15 | kenlyric | I hate you |
| 19:19.24 | sylvanaar | prolly replace that |
| 19:19.33 | kenlyric | failry easily, yes. |
| 19:19.41 | sylvanaar | i have been using beast deck + bangle though |
| 19:19.49 | kenlyric | unless in that 10 you're counting luffa. |
| 19:19.56 | sylvanaar | no |
| 19:20.01 | kenlyric | uh, save your badges then. |
| 19:20.14 | kenlyric | ok, then i refer back to hating you for all your trinkets. |
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| 19:23.09 | sylvanaar | i have just enough to get it, or i can save for the naruu headpiece |
| 19:23.27 | sylvanaar | which is more likely to be replaced |
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| 19:26.52 | kaiden | looks like eePanels2 is confusing it's own frame #'s :P |
| 19:27.10 | kaiden | THIS on the luascripts thingies in it is getting converted to the next panel # instead of the one you are editing |
| 19:27.28 | kaiden | or sorry, that's incorrect, it's taking on the right number but modifying the wrong frame |
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| 19:29.37 | ag` | So we have this stupid dkp system in the guild I am currently in... You have to respond to a message on random times to be on standby. Much stupid stuff in it, not sure I feel like staying tbh, but I'll give it a shot, but I could use an addon that auto responds to certain things |
| 19:30.01 | ag` | Does someone know of a tiny addon for that? |
| 19:30.19 | ag` | just wanted to know if something like it already existed before I started coding one |
| 19:31.11 | sb | lol |
| 19:31.51 | cncfanatics | ag' thats actualy not a bad system ? |
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| 19:33.07 | ag` | cncfanatics, I think it's best just to have people say if if they want to join the raid, if there's not room for them, they go on the standby list, and provide a way to contact them (vt, alt char or something) |
| 19:33.19 | ag` | if they are needed and do not respond, just give minus dkp |
| 19:33.49 | sb | i think its better to trust them |
| 19:33.56 | ag` | yes exactly |
| 19:34.10 | cncfanatics | true |
| 19:34.11 | ag` | there's no reason to treat people like idiots from the getgo |
| 19:34.29 | ag` | the dkp punishment if you do not respond if you're needed should be enough |
| 19:34.31 | sb | and if someone you need (who said "yes, i will be there" (and receives dkp for waiting)) isnt there -> raidkick |
| 19:34.38 | sb | or -9000 dkp |
| 19:35.25 | ag` | so I just need an addon that auto responds for me, that would be neat |
| 19:35.53 | ag` | the thing is I am actually sitting by the computer, but I still miss the fucking message sometimes |
| 19:36.15 | Fisker- | oh hi ag` |
| 19:36.20 | ag` | Fisker-, hi |
| 19:36.23 | cncfanatics | sb, sometimes people get RL stuff in the way |
| 19:36.30 | cncfanatics | thats silly, except if it happens on regular base |
| 19:36.31 | Fisker- | no u |
| 19:37.06 | alext | maybe instead of an addon that replies |
| 19:37.13 | alext | an addon that makes an obnoxious noise? |
| 19:37.22 | alext | when that msg comes in |
| 19:37.42 | sb | cncfanatics: well yes so they can say "i sorry, RL stuff - i dont want the standby dkp"!? |
| 19:38.45 | ag` | alext, that would work too |
| 19:38.51 | Cidan | I need some nice clean unit frames |
| 19:38.54 | Cidan | suggestions? |
| 19:39.11 | ag` | how much crap do you want them to be able to do Cidan |
| 19:39.12 | kenlyric | any of them? |
| 19:39.35 | Cidan | just HP, MP, clean textures |
| 19:39.42 | kenlyric | every single unit frame I've ever used can be turned into a single block of HP. |
| 19:39.44 | Cidan | square edges everywhere |
| 19:40.27 | ag` | imo aguf is pretty light compared to a lot of the alternatives, but I wrote it, so go figure |
| 19:40.44 | Cidan | any screenies? |
| 19:41.52 | ag` | guess the ss that used to be on the wiki is gone |
| 19:42.07 | cncfanatics | sb, ah, if they go standby then I supose they shouldnt standby ofc |
| 19:42.17 | ag` | but it looks pretty simple Cidan |
| 19:42.26 | Cidan | hmm |
| 19:42.46 | ag` | and it has square edges too |
| 19:43.32 | Cidan | let me try it out, hold |
| 19:44.42 | Cidan | Oh yes. |
| 19:44.43 | Cidan | I like |
| 19:44.50 | cncfanatics | ag` I cant live without some pitbull goodies, I might try when I feel like it though |
| 19:45.07 | Cidan | er, why aren't blizzard unit frames being disabled? |
| 19:45.21 | ag` | you probably have a conflicting addon |
| 19:45.26 | ag` | cause aguf does try to hide them |
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| 19:46.17 | ag` | cncfanatics, I am working on making aguf easier to extend, but aguf will never include all that stuff pitbull does |
| 19:47.09 | cncfanatics | ag` ofc, I do like the modular approach pitbull took though |
| 19:47.22 | cncfanatics | I also love the full OO approach aguf took; so i'm combining both in FB :) |
| 19:48.21 | ag` | I actually learned a bit throughout the years of wow, and I found out that I can probably do all the OO stuff in aguf fine without using a lib for it |
| 19:48.33 | cncfanatics | ag` same for FB, which is prolly what i'm gonna do soon |
| 19:48.47 | cncfanatics | i'm actualy considering moving away from libs overall, as they bring WAY more features then I need |
| 19:48.52 | ag` | I don't use all the fancy stuff that AceOO does |
| 19:49.33 | ag` | I don't think I'll stop using frameworks ever |
| 19:49.44 | Cidan | hmm, wtf is making them not hide |
| 19:50.27 | ag` | aguf tries to hide them, so I am pretty sure you have some other addon which shows them again |
| 19:50.55 | cncfanatics | ag` except for the fact that its real easy, I lose more then I gain with libs |
| 19:50.58 | Cidan | RDX doesn't, nor do any of the other ACE addons |
| 19:51.06 | cncfanatics | only one I really fancy is SpecialEvents-Buffs |
| 19:51.07 | Cidan | ah, my HUD does |
| 19:51.39 | ag` | cncfanatics, I don't feel like coding all the basics like db mangement |
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| 19:51.55 | ag` | and to use most libraries you had to use Ace too |
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| 19:52.09 | ag` | that's the way it is atm, though that's changing with LibStub I guess |
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| 19:55.44 | Saint-N | sylvanaar: ping |
| 19:55.58 | sylvanaar | yes |
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| 19:56.15 | Saint-N | oh wait a sec wrong person |
| 19:56.23 | Saint-N | confused prat with cart for a second there |
| 19:56.29 | sylvanaar | kk |
| 19:56.31 | Saint-N | but hello! |
| 19:56.40 | Saint-N | ckknight: poke ping |
| 19:57.20 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 19:57.25 | ckknight | Saint-N: hiya |
| 19:57.36 | Saint-N | see pm ;) |
| 19:57.45 | ckknight | Cidan: Jesus Christ, Ace is not an acronym |
| 19:57.56 | Cidan | ACE isn't? |
| 19:57.58 | Cidan | Really? |
| 19:57.59 | Cidan | ACE? |
| 19:58.01 | Cidan | :D |
| 19:58.05 | Saint-N | it doesnt have periods ;) |
| 19:58.14 | Cidan | I'm just kidding. |
| 19:58.40 | kaiden | i have hello kitty skins for my cyCircled buttons now! |
| 19:58.45 | kaiden | heh |
| 19:58.48 | kaiden | how did i survive without this before |
| 19:58.49 | Saint-N | yer welcome ;P |
| 19:59.00 | ckknight | krka: it works for all tables, technically. |
| 19:59.05 | kaiden | Saint-N, ah did you put them up? |
| 19:59.12 | Saint-N | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/test.png |
| 19:59.21 | Saint-N | umm if you have them then yes ;) |
| 19:59.32 | Saint-N | saint-n == art3mis |
| 19:59.59 | kaiden | well the version up on the svn/files.wowace.com was broken |
| 20:00.08 | kaiden | had to just use the images and redo the Onyx skin base to fit the images |
| 20:00.19 | Saint-N | yeah thrae mucked with it |
| 20:00.35 | Saint-N | the wowi one should work fine if you change the path in the addskin.lua |
| 20:00.47 | Saint-N | i fergot to upload the correction this morning |
| 20:00.54 | cncfanatics | if someone knowing cycircled well could write an FB2 module i'd be gratefull :p didn't manage |
| 20:00.57 | kaiden | i'm really surprised there aren't more button skins out there |
| 20:01.03 | cncfanatics | U can help ofc |
| 20:01.26 | Saint-N | cncfanatics: just check how it's done for bartender |
| 20:01.28 | Saint-N | and mimic ;P |
| 20:01.55 | Saint-N | the above link btw is how im skinning the entire blizz frames ;) |
| 20:02.36 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, aint the same |
| 20:02.40 | cncfanatics | bartender has a fixed amount of buttons |
| 20:02.47 | cncfanatics | the amount and names of buttons in FB can change |
| 20:02.48 | Saint-N | so? |
| 20:03.05 | Saint-N | you can still expand onthe gneral idea |
| 20:03.08 | Saint-N | general |
| 20:03.38 | cncfanatics | yea, if only I knew how to trigger updates & stuff |
| 20:03.39 | cncfanatics | it'd be easy |
| 20:03.40 | cncfanatics | I don't |
| 20:06.04 | kaiden | Saint-N, very interesting :P |
| 20:06.16 | kaiden | not that i really even know what hellow kitty is.. i just like change |
| 20:06.16 | kaiden | haha |
| 20:06.23 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, who wrote cycircled anyway ? |
| 20:06.57 | kaiden | Sairen |
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| 20:07.18 | kaiden | originally at least i dont think (s)he's working on it anymore |
| 20:07.47 | cncfanatics | indeed, didnt see him since, eh, very long |
| 20:08.01 | cncfanatics | anyone with enough experience with it that cld help me ? |
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| 20:09.34 | kaiden | cncfanatics, just go look in the plugins directory of cyCircled at how each of those are done |
| 20:09.43 | kaiden | it's very simple and pertains strictly to the name of your frames |
| 20:09.48 | kaiden | all you do is change frame names etc |
| 20:13.34 | kaiden | Saint-N, do you plan on adding flash and gloss versions of the textures to that? |
| 20:13.53 | cncfanatics | kaiden, let me spell it for you |
| 20:14.28 | cncfanatics | t h e r e i s n o m o d u l e t h a t m a k e s t h e b u t t o n s r e s k i n o n t h e f l y |
| 20:14.45 | kaiden | well being a dickhead isn't going to get anyone to help you |
| 20:14.48 | sb | what reskinning buttons on the fly? how? |
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| 20:15.12 | kenlyric | I can't spell. |
| 20:15.29 | cncfanatics | sb, fb creates buttons on the fly |
| 20:15.41 | kaiden | yes and so does infinibar |
| 20:15.44 | kaiden | and it's skinned just fine |
| 20:15.46 | kaiden | you just have to reload the ui |
| 20:16.00 | cncfanatics | *just* |
| 20:16.14 | Pkekyo | what's the best tanking enchant for 1h weapon? |
| 20:16.52 | sb | mongoose? |
| 20:17.11 | kaiden | cncfanatics, well for properly coded addons and normal people that's not such a problem :) since you only have to do it AFTER creating the bars the first time and never again |
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| 20:17.15 | Pkekyo | that's what I thought |
| 20:18.24 | cncfanatics | kaiden, still bad coding imo though |
| 20:18.33 | cncfanatics | nothing shld require deleting the UI except deleting frames |
| 20:19.18 | kaiden | deleting the ui? |
| 20:20.19 | kaiden | wtf are you going on about.. it's RELOADING.. /rl aka /script ReloadUI a 10 second process.. and the only reason that is done is because as you said.. it's created on the fly so if the buttons were just created cyCircled doesn't know what they are to reskin them since their names are created upon the bars/buttons being created |
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| 20:23.10 | kaiden | Saint-N, btw, if you change the base width / height in the lua to 40/40 they look far less stretched, and natural |
| 20:23.51 | |TheKarn| | anyone know the name of the edit box frame? i've lost mine |
| 20:24.00 | cncfanatics | kaiden, then cycircled should have a way so we can "tell" him to skin new buttons |
| 20:24.05 | cncfanatics | and not require a damn reload, thats silly |
| 20:24.15 | cncfanatics | and I mean reloading the UI ofc, not deleting |
| 20:24.46 | Pkekyo | ~seen ominous |
| 20:24.48 | purl | ominous is currently on #wowi-lounge (3h 17m 46s) #wowace (3h 17m 46s), last said: 'kenlyric_: well maybe if you report a bug i can fix it'. |
| 20:25.34 | kaiden | cncfanatics, if you can do it better then do it :) i dont think the addon has been actively developed by sairen in 3 months |
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| 20:25.49 | kaiden | and is currently being updated by durcyn/silviu and a few other people |
| 20:25.50 | Pkekyo | omnious: ping? |
| 20:25.53 | Ominous | Pkekyo: ponh |
| 20:26.01 | Ominous | s/ponh/pong/ |
| 20:27.12 | Saint-N | cncfanatics: it does that when you enable previously hidden bartender bars too |
| 20:27.32 | kaiden | Saint-N, also if you change the width/height of the icon to 25/24 it'll take away the small part of the icons that are sticking out |
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| 20:27.43 | cncfanatics | Saint-N, thats silly imo, should be able to have it to autoupdate with some event triggering in those cases |
| 20:28.04 | Saint-N | kaiden: heh on my screen i didnt notice that, ill correct when i get home, can you message me the two things you just said? |
| 20:28.06 | kaiden | cncfanatics, contact slouken and request a new event :P |
| 20:28.08 | Saint-N | err msg art3mis |
| 20:28.09 | nevcairiel | i simply hook the bartender update func from within my cy plugin |
| 20:28.12 | nevcairiel | be creative damnit |
| 20:28.15 | cncfanatics | kaiden, I ment Ace events |
| 20:28.26 | cncfanatics | bar mods can trigger an event when new buttons are created |
| 20:28.29 | kaiden | Saint-N, sure |
| 20:28.40 | cncfanatics | and the cycircled modules can react on that event and tell cyrcircled to reskin |
| 20:28.41 | nevcairiel | so register for that event inside cy |
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| 20:28.48 | nevcairiel | whats the problem? |
| 20:29.01 | cncfanatics | can't find how to tell cycircled to reskin |
| 20:29.08 | cncfanatics | documented code ftw |
| 20:29.40 | nevcairiel | l2learnfromcode :P |
| 20:30.26 | cncfanatics | going to bed |
| 20:30.27 | cncfanatics | nn |
| 20:30.49 | Pkekyo | Ominious, you did classtimers, no? |
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| 20:32.09 | Ominous | Pkekyo: ya |
| 20:32.46 | Pkekyo | got a little suggestion for you |
| 20:32.54 | Saint-N | "make it not suck" ? |
| 20:32.56 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 20:33.02 | Pkekyo | have Devastate (warrior ability) refresh the sunder armor bar |
| 20:33.10 | Ominous | blaim blizzard |
| 20:33.19 | Pkekyo | howso? |
| 20:33.50 | krka | ckknight: would it be hard to explain how/why it works? the table rehash thing |
| 20:33.54 | Megalon | of you were not the one how applied the first sunder |
| 20:34.02 | Megalon | you won't get a timer from the game for sunder :( |
| 20:34.15 | ckknight | krka: tables are rehashed on __newindex |
| 20:34.17 | Pkekyo | Megalon: it's ofcourse your own sunders |
| 20:34.27 | Pkekyo | atleast in my situation |
| 20:34.31 | Fisker- | does cancellation still work btw? :O |
| 20:34.38 | krka | i see... so it has to have a metatable with __newindex set? |
| 20:34.40 | Ominous | Pkekyo: i use their api for times |
| 20:34.48 | ckknight | no, this is the lua backend I'm talking about |
| 20:35.38 | krka | me too... i think |
| 20:36.45 | ckknight | so no metatable is necessary |
| 20:36.50 | Punkie` | Has anyone here seen the movie 'Sunshine'? :p |
| 20:36.51 | ckknight | it just does it on __newindex |
| 20:36.53 | krka | as far as i can see, table rehash is only called from newkey |
| 20:36.53 | Pkekyo | Ominous: no workaround possible like 'if spell: devastate = hit, then refresh bar: sunder armor" or such?(don't know lua/api for shit) |
| 20:36.55 | ckknight | I did, Punkie` |
| 20:37.01 | Punkie` | It's terrible! |
| 20:37.01 | ckknight | thought it was kinda silly |
| 20:37.04 | krka | and only when it can not find a new place to insert a new key |
| 20:37.14 | krka | for lua 5.1 anyway |
| 20:37.24 | Ominous | Pkekyo: noep |
| 20:37.37 | bindi | Antiarc, does omen calculate in set bonus like 2set t6 from druids? |
| 20:37.38 | ckknight | Punkie`: also true. |
| 20:37.45 | Antiarc | Yes. |
| 20:37.48 | bindi | thanks |
| 20:37.56 | krka | ckknight: where did you learn about this __newindex thing? |
| 20:38.10 | Pkekyo | blizzard sucks :< |
| 20:38.14 | ckknight | #lua |
| 20:38.33 | Pkekyo | Ominous: and it wouldn't be possible to add a bar for devastate either, as it don't have a duration..? |
| 20:38.47 | krka | hm, i see |
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| 20:39.11 | krka | because i frankly cant see anything in the source that can explain this behavioir |
| 20:39.15 | Ominous | Pkekyo: if its a buff/debuff then ofc |
| 20:39.15 | krka | *behaviour |
| 20:39.28 | |TheKarn| | whats the frame name for the chat edit box? |
| 20:39.34 | Pkekyo | Ominous: sadly, it's not, it just refreshes the sunder armor debuff |
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| 20:39.46 | Ominous | nope then |
| 20:39.55 | Pkekyo | blizzard sucks frozen donkeyballs |
| 20:40.05 | Ominous | ok... |
| 20:40.54 | krka | ckknight: do you remember any useful search terms so i can search my #lua log? |
| 20:41.01 | ckknight | no |
| 20:42.01 | ckknight | do some tests on your own to see the size change, imho |
| 20:42.46 | nevcairiel | Funkeh`: wtb kaz'rogal module for timing stupid mana leech debuff |
| 20:43.39 | Punkie` | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=612165211&sid=1 <--- interesting read |
| 20:44.35 | evl | www.punkiesmothersleepswitransvestitegoats.com <- interesting read |
| 20:44.42 | Punkie` | also true |
| 20:45.34 | |TheKarn| | what is the name of the chat input box frame? |
| 20:45.43 | krka | ckknight: yeah, i might do that. but it would also be interesting to know _why_ it works, not just that it works. |
| 20:47.12 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather xolar |
| 20:47.15 | ThraeBot | Pkekyo: Xolar, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 7727 HP; 6543 Mana; 124 mana regen; 37 mp5; 7438 Armour; 692 AP; 142.7 Melee DPS; 5.67% melee crit; 14 melee hit; 34 spell crit; 12 spell hit; 315 +spell dmg/heal; 141 defense; 6.97% dodge; 8.16% block; 11 resilience;[[ TBR: 1221 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xkzgm ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/36hd7x ][ Updated: Thu Sep 6 16:58:54 2007 ]] |
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| 20:48.17 | charon | anyone tried a feral tank on tidalvess (karathress shaman add)? does it work better than a warrior? |
| 20:48.34 | charon | our warrior just got WF pwnt for about 23k in under 3 seconds |
| 20:50.11 | |TheKarn| | does nobody know the name of the edit box for chat? I've tried googling but all i get is links to download prat. it's prat that's lost my editbox! |
| 20:50.37 | sica | charon: well, depends on your feral tank :) |
| 20:51.32 | sylvanaar | |TheKarn| uncheck AutoLoD then look again |
| 20:51.46 | kenlyric | hmmm.. armor or hp on hunter pet? since mend pet doesn't scale, I'd think taking less damage per hit would be better than having more HP. |
| 20:52.12 | |TheKarn| | no sylvanaar the edit box is off the screen |
| 20:52.48 | sylvanaar | do like /resetchat or something its a blizzard command |
| 20:53.39 | |TheKarn| | nooo that means setting up my chat windows and filters again :( |
| 20:53.39 | |TheKarn| | i just want to do a :ClearAllPoints and :SetPoint on the edit box |
| 20:53.39 | Nickenyfiken | !vs eu outland trollfager eu outland packer |
| 20:53.39 | ThraeBot | Nickenyfiken: Trollfager vs Packer! A L70 shaman and a L70 warrior square off!; 0/42/19 vs 33/28/0; Packer wins by 496 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 20:53.52 | |TheKarn| | !vs eu daggerspine karnicus eu daggerspine doclove |
| 20:53.55 | ThraeBot | |TheKarn|: Karnicus vs Doclove! A L70 priest and a L70 hunter square off!; 14/0/47 vs 41/20/0; Doclove wins by 173 TBRs! |
| 20:54.04 | Nickenyfiken | ~tbr |
| 20:54.05 | purl | [tbr] ThraeBot Ratings, an invention of Thrae for his ThraeBot. It works on a PvP-oriented weighted logarithmic algorithm partially dependant on build type that and mostly dependant on what stats the Armoury currently has for you, that when used to compare two characters, tries to take into account which classes are fighting each other. or "to be released" |
| 20:54.06 | sylvanaar | then move /dump ChatFrameEditBox |
| 20:54.38 | kenlyric | !vs us kargath dovoso us kargath kenlyric |
| 20:54.39 | ThraeBot | kenlyric: Dovoso vs Kenlyric! Two 70 priests square off!; 17/0/44 vs 23/38/0; Dovoso wins by 963 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 20:54.55 | kenlyric | clearly, it hates healers. |
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| 20:55.08 | charon | sica: roughly same gear level as warrior |
| 20:55.08 | |TheKarn| | !vs eu daggerspine karnicus us kargath kenlyric |
| 20:55.08 | ThraeBot | |TheKarn|: Karnicus vs Kenlyric! Two 70 priests square off!; 14/0/47 vs 23/38/0; Karnicus wins by 543 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 20:55.13 | |TheKarn| | lol |
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| 20:55.32 | kenlyric | thrae must cache that data. |
| 20:55.43 | kenlyric | since I respecced hours ago to 20/41 |
| 20:56.12 | sica | charon: well, if your feral tank has enough armor, it should work a bit better |
| 20:56.15 | kenlyric | and if that's so, I'm probably in my *laugh* dps gear. |
| 20:56.47 | sica | charon: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmourne&n=Keana is our feral tank, she tanks tidalvess without andy problems |
| 20:58.23 | charon | ah so you do have the practical experience i was looking for ;) i figured ferals should be better in theory but that wasn't enough to convince the warriors |
| 20:58.47 | charon | very nice gear there, mine is a bit worse, wtb that chestplate |
| 20:59.04 | orionshock | charon: skill > all |
| 20:59.16 | charon | orionshock: WF procs > skill |
| 20:59.25 | orionshock | um... sure... |
| 20:59.31 | charon | . |
| 20:59.32 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.26 | sica | charon: yeah, our healers like the feral better on tidalvess, they say it's more to heal, but the damage is more "constant" |
| 21:00.28 | charon | orionshock: as stated above, the warrior got WF procced for 23k in under 3 seconds. you can blame a lot on the healers but i think in that case you're just screwed no matter how much skill and all |
| 21:02.14 | orionshock | WF is unpredictable thus is bad |
| 21:02.31 | orionshock | the ONLY person it is GOOD for is the MT |
| 21:02.46 | charon | huh? |
| 21:02.49 | orionshock | everyone else it's just a repair bill waiting to happen |
| 21:02.52 | NeoTron | what makes that ezmode is druid + 2 shammies |
| 21:02.53 | charon | that doesn't relate to my original question, does it |
| 21:02.58 | NeoTron | druid + GoA + grounding totem |
| 21:03.14 | orionshock | no but i didn't hear your origional question ; sorry |
| 21:03.15 | TecnoBrat | charon, we use a warrior |
| 21:03.18 | TecnoBrat | he does fine |
| 21:03.19 | NeoTron | WF alone is never bad for a druid at least, but when you add in a frost shock it can instagib you |
| 21:03.26 | TecnoBrat | we've killed him 5 times now |
| 21:03.42 | Pkekyo | how to get to Curator without doing Opera? |
| 21:03.43 | TecnoBrat | NeoTron, its the same for a warrior really |
| 21:03.52 | [KzM]Fatalis | has anyone else had a graphics problem with squeenix when you set mapscale? |
| 21:03.57 | orionshock | Pkekyo: back door? |
| 21:04.20 | Pkekyo | orionshock: locked |
| 21:04.30 | [KzM]Fatalis | i just set squeenix's mapscale to 75 then back to 100 and the screen kept blinking and all of the ui spazzing out |
| 21:04.32 | orionshock | you need a key |
| 21:04.43 | TecnoBrat | no .. |
| 21:04.48 | TecnoBrat | you can't do it Pkekyo |
| 21:04.51 | TecnoBrat | you have to do opera |
| 21:05.07 | TecnoBrat | opera opens the door |
| 21:05.14 | Pkekyo | damnit |
| 21:05.22 | Pkekyo | got wizard of oz and we don't have a lock :< |
| 21:05.30 | orionshock | meh, don't listne to me :P |
| 21:05.35 | TecnoBrat | lock for fear? |
| 21:05.42 | sica | Pkekyo: just tank roar |
| 21:06.06 | Pkekyo | sica: he tends to oneshot people :< |
| 21:06.47 | charon | TecnoBrat, NeoTron: thanks for your input :) |
| 21:06.57 | Pkekyo | where does the stairway at the blacksmith lead? |
| 21:07.06 | Punkie` | nowhere |
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| 21:08.36 | Pkekyo | there's quite alot of mobs in 'nowhere' O.o |
| 21:08.56 | Punkie` | the blacksmith, as in the person after the horse? |
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| 21:09.07 | Punkie` | who you can repair at? |
| 21:09.19 | Pkekyo | Punkie`: correctemundo |
| 21:09.25 | Punkie` | it leads nowhere |
| 21:09.40 | Punkie` | there is an instance portal at the top i believe |
| 21:09.45 | Punkie` | but it is cut off |
| 21:10.03 | Pkekyo | doesn't it lead to moroe's backroom? |
| 21:10.29 | Fwip | I believe it does, though I've never gone that way |
| 21:10.41 | Punkie` | I've only ever seen some sort of portal I think |
| 21:10.48 | Punkie` | but hey you could be right! |
| 21:11.03 | Punkie` | have you done that lousy animal boss if you are out of other options Pkekyo? :p |
| 21:11.13 | CIA-22 | 03athou * r48336 10FuBar_ButtonSmashFu/FuBar_ButtonSmashFu.lua: |
| 21:11.13 | CIA-22 | FuBar_ButtonSmashFu: |
| 21:11.13 | CIA-22 | - date and time of last reset are now stored |
| 21:12.00 | Pkekyo | Punkie`: no, haven't...we've cleared the cellar several times without a single boss spawn |
| 21:12.24 | Punkie` | hmm possibly you have missed a mob? |
| 21:12.35 | Pkekyo | not really |
| 21:12.40 | Pkekyo | we spent an hour down there :< |
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| 21:12.52 | ggilbert | The animal boss never would spawn for us either. So we just skipped it. |
| 21:13.00 | Punkie` | it is really a waste of time anyway |
| 21:13.10 | Punkie` | we had some plate bracers of stamina drop |
| 21:13.16 | Pkekyo | main healer logged his lock, so now I've got a shadowpriest healing me (maintank) |
| 21:13.17 | Punkie` | and there was a green better than it... |
| 21:13.46 | Pkekyo | rofl |
| 21:14.05 | vithos | back when i was doing kara, the animal boss would never spawn immediately. we'd all run around the basement for a while looking for a mob we missed (never did actually miss/find one) but it'd eventually spawn |
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| 21:20.45 | |TheKarn| | whats the /script to get the name of the frame under the mouse? |
| 21:21.02 | Megalon | GetMouseFocus() |
| 21:21.14 | |TheKarn| | ty |
| 21:21.16 | Megalon | /print GetMouseFocus() |
| 21:21.30 | Megalon | would dump quite everything of that frame to you chatframe |
| 21:23.56 | |TheKarn| | i just want its name |
| 21:24.59 | |TheKarn| | so GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 21:25.21 | ckknight | Antiarc: hrm, part of me wonders whether I should do druid instead of warrior |
| 21:25.33 | Antiarc | *shrug* |
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| 21:28.30 | orionshock | ckknight: do druid.. they is better than warriors :P |
| 21:29.30 | uohaloran | Is anyone elses aceupdater crashing? |
| 21:30.00 | vithos | uohaloran: using the self-updating version? |
| 21:30.09 | uohaloran | I think so, yes. |
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| 21:30.23 | vithos | if you haven't yet, you need to uninstall and reinstall it |
| 21:30.33 | uohaloran | Ah, okay. I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 21:30.53 | vithos | the digital signature was changed, so when it checks for an update it errors and closes because the key doesn't match |
| 21:31.17 | sb | Saroz: sRaidFrames\sRaidFrames.lua:1010: bad argument #1 to 'concat' (table contains non-strings) |
| 21:31.22 | sb | when loggin on while in raid |
| 21:31.32 | sb | ./rl solves it |
| 21:33.23 | sb | hmm no, doesnt ;p |
| 21:34.23 | Recluse|zZz | btk |
| 21:34.26 | uohaloran | Can anyone tell me what the real difference is between "With" and "Without" externals? |
| 21:34.31 | Recluse | heh |
| 21:34.45 | vithos | uohaloran: are you familiar with the concept of programming libraries? |
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| 21:35.00 | uohaloran | Not really. |
| 21:35.22 | NightHawkTheSane | uohaloran: there's no real large difference if you're not a developer. |
| 21:35.40 | uohaloran | Okay, that's what I figured. I assume with externals installs the extra folders and whatnot? |
| 21:36.01 | vithos | well, there's quite a few addons that don't do anything directly for the user, but instead do things for other addons. with/without externals toggles whether these libraries come with every addon that needs them |
| 21:36.08 | kenlyric | uohaloran: about 1000 files, give or take. |
| 21:36.13 | kenlyric | sorry, 2000 files now. |
| 21:36.33 | vithos | but anyway, my suggestion is turn on auto-dependencies and turn off externals in wau |
| 21:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | uohaloran: just use with externals, it really doesn't matter. |
| 21:37.44 | orionshock | tbh , if u update daily or more; AND have more than about 15-20 addons that do get updated, then run with externals... it's easier on the servers ... sorta >.> |
| 21:38.00 | orionshock | **with out externals |
| 21:38.25 | durcyn | it's an extra checkout per external, should really never use them |
| 21:38.41 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: if we're talking about zips, that's irrelevant |
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| 21:39.18 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: oh, absolutely |
| 21:39.22 | uohaloran | Alright. Thanks everyone. Seems the uninstall/reinstall also fixed my problem there. :) |
| 21:39.30 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: which, in this case, i imagine we are. |
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| 21:44.11 | ckknight | alright, cya later |
| 21:46.51 | mort | hrm i think im blind, but i can't find the option in parrot to disable the low mana/health warning |
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| 21:49.50 | kaiden | fear teh hello kitty - http://ss.ohnoes.cc/Nooble_03.jpg |
| 21:53.24 | Mudkips | LOL |
| 21:53.30 | Mudkips | those borders are purple |
| 21:53.34 | Mudkips | need more pink imo |
| 21:54.12 | kaiden | pink's too bright |
| 21:54.47 | Mudkips | pink |
| 21:55.57 | kaiden | normally it's lime green with a bit of transparency to it |
| 21:56.01 | kaiden | and onyx for the button skin |
| 21:59.02 | Saroz | sb, k |
| 22:01.14 | kaiden | Anyone know of an up to date version of Detached Minimap Buttons or something that works the same way |
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| 22:14.31 | CIA-22 | 03smcn * r48337 10BagPress/ (. BagPress.lua BagPress.toc embeds.xml icon.tga): |
| 22:14.31 | CIA-22 | BagPress: initial commit |
| 22:14.31 | CIA-22 | - Initial public release |
| 22:14.31 | CIA-22 | - This mod is designed to be used by two players in order to facilitate |
| 22:14.31 | CIA-22 | inventory efficiency between them, by trading partial stacks of items such as |
| 22:14.33 | CIA-22 | cloth and the like. I recommend it to anyone in a leveling duo, I believe it is |
| 22:14.35 | CIA-22 | invaluable but then again I'm biased :) |
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| 22:17.03 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:17.48 | ckknight | gy? |
| 22:17.49 | ckknight | > |
| 22:17.59 | Hjalte | morning ckknight |
| 22:18.00 | ckknight | whoops |
| 22:18.15 | Mudkips | old ? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1134093574&sid=1 |
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| 22:26.08 | CIA-22 | 03smcn * r48338 10BagPress/: |
| 22:26.08 | CIA-22 | BagPress: |
| 22:26.08 | CIA-22 | - Initial commit |
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| 22:36.08 | CIA-22 | 03smcn * r48339 10BagPress/: |
| 22:36.08 | CIA-22 | BagPress: |
| 22:36.08 | CIA-22 | - |
| 22:36.08 | CIA-22 | fixing externals |
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| 22:44.22 | |TheKarn| | !vs eu daggerspine karnicus eu argent dawn blackmoon |
| 22:44.25 | ThraeBot | |TheKarn|: Karnicus vs Blackmoon! Two 70 priests square off!; 14/0/47 vs 12/0/49; Karnicus wins by 470 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 22:45.28 | mort | 12/0/49...hrm |
| 22:45.30 | lolinternet | ~stab ckknight |
| 22:45.31 | purl | ACTION runs at ckknight with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:45.42 | ckknight | ? |
| 22:45.45 | lolinternet | you were going to say something yesterday |
| 22:45.48 | lolinternet | [22:53] <@ckknight> I have a proposition: |
| 22:45.51 | lolinternet | then you never said anything |
| 22:46.02 | lolinternet | thus i stabbed you for doing such a dumb thing |
| 22:46.04 | ckknight | oh, I went to private messages after that |
| 22:46.11 | lolinternet | and now i go to bed |
| 22:46.13 | lolinternet | good night |
| 22:46.40 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 22:46.42 | sag_ich_nicht | ~cut Antiarc |
| 22:46.52 | sag_ich_nicht | ~stab Antiarc |
| 22:46.52 | purl | ACTION runs at Antiarc with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:46.55 | sag_ich_nicht | just for the sake of it. |
| 22:46.57 | sag_ich_nicht | nn |
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| 22:58.56 | ckknight | alright, bbl |
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| 23:12.02 | unleash|Fanagon | hi :-) i'm looking for somebody who can help me with parrot |
| 23:13.27 | CIA-22 | 03ricowan * r48340 10FuBar_PetFu/ (FuBar_PetFu.toc PetFu.lua): FuBar_PetFu: - Couldn't get AddonLoader support to work, so I removed it and added code to handle unloading myself |
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| 23:14.47 | yssaril | unleash|Fanagon: what is your problem with parrot |
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| 23:16.17 | unleash|Fanagon | 2(yssaril2): The display of my skill damage is only the amount, without the skill name, and i would like to display it in yellow like the standard wow combat text... my question is how :) |
| 23:16.50 | JoshBorke | lose the color please :-) |
| 23:17.31 | yssaril | unleash|Fanagon: hmmm no idea maybe ask the man himself ckknight :P |
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| 23:18.31 | unleash|Fanagon | i querried him, i hope he's here :) |
| 23:18.49 | yssaril | he logged back in a couple min ago |
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| 23:33.41 | RogueShadow | that was odd |
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| 23:35.53 | siIentium | never seen a netsplit before? |
| 23:36.53 | sb | ahhh the internet is shutting down |
| 23:36.55 | sb | help! |
| 23:37.05 | NightHawkTheSane | sb: lol |
| 23:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | siIentium: apparently he hasn't :P |
| 23:37.13 | Megalon | sb: np, i made a backup! |
| 23:37.23 | sb | uhm |
| 23:37.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Megalon: pfft. I've got it all on hardcopy. |
| 23:37.47 | sb | you saved all that pr0n, right? |
| 23:37.50 | siIentium | Megalon: so you took all the data and locked it away? that explains why I cant find it anywhere |
| 23:39.25 | Megalon | someone had to! :( |
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| 23:41.20 | Mecdemort | does ace not pass the args to event handlers when they're called? |
| 23:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | this is interesting.. http://www.effi.org/blog/kai-2007-09-05.en.html |
| 23:44.22 | Mecdemort | ckknight: ping |
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| 23:54.34 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 23:54.36 | ckknight | Mecdemort: pong |
| 23:55.20 | Mecdemort | i had a problem where an addon that started disabled would never be called with OnEnable(true) |
| 23:55.48 | ckknight | odd |
| 23:55.51 | ckknight | in Ace2? |
| 23:55.55 | Mecdemort | yar |
| 23:56.00 | ckknight | funky |
| 23:56.12 | Mecdemort | just wanted to make sure it wouldnt happen in rock ;p |
| 23:56.20 | Funkeh` | yes? |
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| 23:56.31 | Funkeh` | oh |
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| 23:56.44 | Mecdemort | lol |
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| 23:57.12 | ckknight | oh, yea, it doesn't happen in Rock, Rock handles it quite differently |
| 23:57.17 | Mecdemort | oh also, in the calls from registerevent, am i just supposed to use the globals event,arg1.... or is there a way to get it passed? |
| 23:57.21 | Mecdemort | ok goodie |
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| 23:57.55 | ckknight | well, arg1, arg2, etc. gets passed as arguments |
| 23:57.58 | ckknight | but event doesn't |
| 23:58.04 | ckknight | you can check AceEvent.currentEvent for that |
| 23:58.11 | ckknight | in Rock, it actually does pass |
| 23:58.16 | Mecdemort | ok |
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| 23:59.55 | CIA-22 | 03funkydude * r48341 10Transcriptor/Core.lua: Transcriptor: bugfix |
