| 00:06.22 | ckknight | clad|away: I've been trying GCTweak, and I removed the in combat check, and everything still seems peachy |
| 00:08.57 | ckknight | since it has the FPS check, you shouldn't get into a sitauation where the GC in combat will slow you down |
| 00:08.59 | ckknight | afact |
| 00:09.03 | ckknight | afaict* |
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| 00:13.52 | Megalon | hyperChipmunk: Wounds the target causing them to bleed for 133 damage over 21 sec. |
| 00:13.59 | Megalon | Lacerate (Rank 3) |
| 00:14.07 | hyperChipmunk | there ya go |
| 00:14.11 | Megalon | ;D |
| 00:14.12 | hyperChipmunk | frickin' massive |
| 00:14.22 | Megalon | fear ma' dps! |
| 00:14.25 | hyperChipmunk | i thought it was 21s |
| 00:14.35 | hyperChipmunk | i got the 21 in the wrong place |
| 00:14.39 | hyperChipmunk | 6 1/3 dps |
| 00:15.13 | hyperChipmunk | clearly deserving of ultimate talent status |
| 00:15.15 | mikma | ckknight: with some machines the fps might go rather low in combat |
| 00:15.37 | ckknight | mikma: right, at which point GCTweak will stop working until the fps reaches a higher rate |
| 00:15.37 | Mikk | that's the point |
| 00:15.39 | Megalon | perhaps it'll come back in wotlk |
| 00:15.41 | Mikk | it doesn't gc if fps is low |
| 00:15.51 | Megalon | mighty 51-talent lacerate! |
| 00:16.03 | mikma | ckknight: good point. now, explain whats the meaning of the whole addon and why it exists? :D |
| 00:16.05 | Morghus | What about Lacerate? |
| 00:16.18 | hyperChipmunk | we were discussing the worst blizzard spell ever |
| 00:16.45 | hyperChipmunk | I contended that it was the pre-1.7 hunter survival tree ultimate (Lacerate) |
| 00:16.47 | ckknight | mikma: basically, lua's garbage collector wasn't made to take WoW's system into context, what it does is it "helps" it by doing extra garbage collection steps during times of high FPS |
| 00:17.01 | hyperChipmunk | but i couldn't find the original spell info |
| 00:17.03 | ckknight | mikma: meaning that garbage is collected much faster |
| 00:17.11 | hyperChipmunk | megalon just dug it up somewhere |
| 00:17.23 | Morghus | Got me worried there. Lacerate owns :P |
| 00:17.24 | mikma | and that should propably mean less "lagspikes" or something |
| 00:17.30 | kenlyric | bah! stupid wau, obey me! |
| 00:17.39 | ckknight | mikma: exactly. |
| 00:17.49 | hyperChipmunk | the original lacerate was the 133 dmg/21 sec hunter talent |
| 00:17.50 | ckknight | mikma: though that hardly happens anymore |
| 00:18.01 | ckknight | mikma: what it really means is that addons' memory usage will be a lot more accurate |
| 00:18.12 | hyperChipmunk | it got replaced by wyvern sting in 1.7 |
| 00:18.43 | Morghus | Ah, like that. I with the druid ability lasted for 21 seconds. Though if it'd been a physical dot it'd be pretty great against rogues and warriors, and general anti-bandage |
| 00:18.52 | Morghus | *wish |
| 00:19.05 | hyperChipmunk | yea, but an ultimate talent? |
| 00:19.16 | Morghus | No |
| 00:19.17 | Morghus | :P |
| 00:19.56 | Morghus | Point taken. When was this? |
| 00:20.08 | hyperChipmunk | up until 1.7 |
| 00:20.18 | ckknight | hrm, I'm sure that I can make GCTweak a 2-line program if I try hard enough. |
| 00:20.24 | Megalon | it was the first 31 point ultimate for hunters in the survival tree |
| 00:20.34 | mikma | well let's see. pretty damn useless spell with mage is Arcane Blast |
| 00:20.45 | Megalon | a physical dot, applied in melee range |
| 00:20.51 | Morghus | mikma: What're you smoking? =P |
| 00:20.58 | mikma | Morghus: nothing |
| 00:21.01 | CIA-22 | 03avai * r48400 10PVPtimer/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
| 00:21.01 | CIA-22 | PVPtimer: |
| 00:21.01 | CIA-22 | - added Chinese Traditional language file. |
| 00:21.11 | Megalon | mikma: only until hi end raiding |
| 00:21.11 | Morghus | Arcane Blast is amazing dps. Why would it be bad? |
| 00:21.26 | ckknight | CreateFrame("Frame"):SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, delta) if delta < 1/30 then collectgarbage("step") end end) |
| 00:21.29 | ckknight | bam |
| 00:21.30 | Megalon | arcane blast needs decent gear |
| 00:21.31 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:21.31 | mikma | since it sucks alot of mana |
| 00:21.34 | mikma | like, alot |
| 00:21.36 | mikma | and more |
| 00:21.48 | ckknight | granted, removes all options and the like, but it works |
| 00:21.54 | Morghus | 3x AB's, 1 Arcane Missile, 3x AB's. Ridiculously powerful cycle. |
| 00:22.43 | Morghus | Then again, I'm biased since it's in a raid-situation where a shadowpriest helps with the mana-pool so it's doable. |
| 00:22.43 | mikma | and what i've seen you're out of mana soon with that |
| 00:23.22 | hyperChipmunk | you can run out of mana in pvp? |
| 00:23.32 | Morghus | All the time >.> |
| 00:24.04 | mikma | [You] Arcane Blast Crit [Gordunni Back-Breaker] *1508* |
| 00:24.55 | mikma | [You] Ice Lance Crit [Gordunni Back-Breaker] *1683* |
| 00:24.59 | mikma | :/ |
| 00:26.14 | Morghus | The scary part about arcane cycles is the efficiency of /stopcasting |
| 00:27.25 | sb | <3 arcane mages |
| 00:27.34 | mikma | <3 ice mages |
| 00:27.55 | Morghus | I think quite possibly all our mages are arcane at the moment. |
| 00:28.03 | sb | same here :p |
| 00:28.37 | sb | with 2xT5 its ~200dps more than fire |
| 00:29.04 | eggi | 2.2 should be a good dps boost for arcane mages (10 sec meta gem) |
| 00:29.37 | sb | i dont know if that gem is that good for arcane |
| 00:29.43 | sb | it breaks your cycles |
| 00:29.48 | sb | same with bloodlust |
| 00:30.31 | sb | if fine with enough mana to do arcane blast only (vashj 20%, ~full mana pool :o) |
| 00:31.17 | Morghus | Arcane Shatter's another build I've heard lots of <3 about |
| 00:31.22 | Tinyboom | arcane frost 40/0/21 <3 |
| 00:31.27 | sb | mh why frost? |
| 00:31.36 | Morghus | Shatter |
| 00:31.39 | sb | hm |
| 00:31.44 | Morghus | +50% chance to crit on frozen targets |
| 00:31.46 | mikma | i have deep frost, for pvp.. 10/0/xx |
| 00:32.07 | Morghus | Ice Lance spam? |
| 00:32.13 | sb | Morghus: but doesnt work on bosses, mh? |
| 00:32.17 | sb | (freeze them) |
| 00:32.29 | Morghus | No, it's PvP only I imagine |
| 00:32.33 | mikma | yeah |
| 00:32.41 | Morghus | Too bursty, no stamina |
| 00:32.41 | mikma | bosses are immune to freeze-effects |
| 00:32.45 | sb | yup.. |
| 00:32.48 | RogueShadow | mage talk hmm.. I started a mage a little bit ago. |
| 00:32.56 | RogueShadow | What's good for just lvling. |
| 00:33.05 | sb | i dont play mage ;p |
| 00:33.29 | Morghus | Frost is neat. Lots of control. |
| 00:33.33 | sb | but i need to know about "my" mages :/ (raidlead) |
| 00:33.41 | RogueShadow | I like to be in control :) |
| 00:33.46 | mikma | frost is cool also because of the protection |
| 00:33.48 | Clashen | frost is fun for leveling, esp aoe grinding |
| 00:34.10 | sb | mh nn |
| 00:34.13 | Morghus | Well done fire-aoe'ing is fun too >:D |
| 00:34.25 | mikma | ice block, ice barrier, cold snap, water elemental |
| 00:34.45 | mikma | that's 2x frost nova, where other is ranged :D |
| 00:34.51 | mikma | ice lance away!!!! |
| 00:34.59 | Morghus | In PvP? |
| 00:35.01 | Clashen | http://surl.se/dkti |
| 00:35.02 | mikma | ya |
| 00:35.05 | Clashen | is awesome to see |
| 00:35.27 | Morghus | Ah. If it's PvE you should use stopcasting for Frost-bolt + Ice Lance at the same time. Never fails <3 |
| 00:35.41 | Morghus | Works on the odd occasion for PvP too |
| 00:35.46 | RogueShadow | ic |
| 00:35.53 | fscan | arcane-frost is good for raids too ... good dmg and lots of mana :) |
| 00:36.07 | NightHawkTheSane | eww, coldplay. ;) |
| 00:36.12 | RogueShadow | took me a moment to realize that screenshot is widow mode. hehe |
| 00:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | RogueShadow: yeah, it's pretty slick. |
| 00:36.20 | Clashen | started listening to them today :) |
| 00:36.27 | Clashen | :] |
| 00:36.36 | mikma | Morghus: hmmm, macro: /cast Frost Bolt; /stopcasting, and spell Ice Lance (that's 2 buttons) ? |
| 00:36.48 | Clashen | annoying part is too loot the damn mobs |
| 00:36.50 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah,coldplay's alright, not as much a fan as I used to be though |
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| 00:38.31 | Morghus | Separate button with /stopcasting /cast Ice Lance. You hold it down and release it ( with Quartz showing the lag on the bar ) when the Frost Bolt is done casting. Both will hit at the same time, relatively. The server gives them both a Frozen target hit <3 |
| 00:39.11 | Morghus | Very good if your PoM is on cooldown. |
| 00:39.34 | mikma | Morghus: thanks for the tip, will try it later :) |
| 00:39.39 | xyu | Anyone know how i can move the tooltip that pops up when i mouseover a player's unit frame? |
| 00:39.56 | Morghus | mikma: You're familiar with /stopcasting? |
| 00:40.03 | xyu | will tinytip do that? |
| 00:40.06 | fscan | but it triggers gcd ... i think on boss encounters chaincasting is mor efficient |
| 00:40.09 | mikma | "Spec 41/20/0 or 40/21/0 or 46/15/0 and try ABx2, Scorchx3 and repeat. You'll be surprised." |
| 00:40.27 | mikma | Morghus: well, not quite but i do use it in some macros, ie Arcane Missiles |
| 00:40.58 | Morghus | You should use it for everything really. Impressive dps-boost, and dps becomes alot more interesting. |
| 00:41.07 | Morghus | *dps'ing |
| 00:41.37 | mikma | but i just <3 Ice Block and Ice Barrier, and Water Elemental <3 :D |
| 00:41.44 | Tinyboom | i prefer 40/0/21, but as soon as i can replace my chest item(frost_dmg) i will try 40/21/0 for fun:) |
| 00:41.54 | Tinyboom | nice for pve dps |
| 00:42.06 | Tinyboom | needs lots of crit rating though |
| 00:43.07 | Morghus | Frost is fun, no doubt about it. Will be running a real arcane spec pretty soon, but for now it's alot of solo, frost is retardedly superior for that |
| 00:43.16 | fscan | hmm .. i'm 40/0/21 too .. but no ice barrier ... not needed in pve imho |
| 00:43.39 | mikma | frost is also neat for being a jerk in PvP servers :D |
| 00:43.57 | Tinyboom | !char eu silvermoon tinyboom |
| 00:44.03 | mikma | like this: cast water elemental, have him attack someone from opposite faction in neutral town and watch from distance |
| 00:44.18 | Morghus | You mean fly? ;) |
| 00:44.32 | mikma | fly from distance? |
| 00:44.50 | Morghus | Water Elemental -> Mount and attack. Should work! |
| 00:44.55 | mikma | no |
| 00:45.05 | mikma | when you mount the petbars get grayed up |
| 00:45.16 | hyperChipmunk | not anymore |
| 00:45.19 | Morghus | How did I do it then? |
| 00:45.23 | hyperChipmunk | pets disappear when mount now |
| 00:45.33 | buu | Except when they don't |
| 00:45.33 | mikma | hyperChipmunk: water elemental doesn't |
| 00:45.44 | hyperChipmunk | weird |
| 00:45.49 | Morghus | What mikma said. |
| 00:46.00 | Tinyboom | it's summoned.. probably why |
| 00:46.10 | Tinyboom | or should i say on timer |
| 00:46.16 | Morghus | Gah, going to bed now. Too tired. Good night. |
| 00:46.28 | Clashen | it's not like you'll run around mounted when you have your WE out anyway :) |
| 00:46.31 | mikma | Morghus: and i just tested it too, my petbuttons get grayed up when i mount |
| 00:47.06 | mikma | unless you do it while mounting? |
| 00:47.48 | Nargiddley | before they started disapearing pets went auto passive when mounted |
| 00:47.53 | Nargiddley | not sure if that will still apply |
| 00:48.05 | Aens|Superiority | art3mis: you there? |
| 00:50.00 | mikma | well, my water elemental goes passive and the bar goes dark |
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| 01:28.34 | kenlyric | bah! mods without lib dependencies defined make me want to stab. |
| 01:30.17 | NightHawkTheSane | also, on a vaguely related note.. |
| 01:30.38 | NightHawkTheSane | is eepanels2 usable? or is it still in dev? |
| 01:33.20 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r48401 10AtlasLoot/ (Constants/constants.fr.lua TableRegister/loottables.fr.lua): |
| 01:33.20 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 01:33.20 | CIA-22 | - 'Little French Update' from KKram |
| 01:33.28 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r48402 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 01:33.28 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 01:33.28 | CIA-22 | - Loot corrections |
| 01:33.37 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r48403 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/sets.en.lua: |
| 01:33.37 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 01:33.37 | CIA-22 | - Loot corrections |
| 01:35.28 | kenlyric | NightHawkTheSane: seems almost easier with the number of mods without x-libs properly defined (or whichever variable tells an update program to YO, grab this library. |
| 01:35.34 | kenlyric | I'm looking at you, topscorefu! |
| 01:35.50 | kenlyric | then again, embedded libs add 2000 files to my mod directory. |
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| 01:39.27 | NightHawkTheSane | kenlyric: er, which seems easier, disembedding or not? |
| 01:40.15 | kenlyric | well, like I said, disembedding is work because several mods won't get their needed libs through wau, so you have to get them manually. ONce that's done it's equally easier. |
| 01:40.29 | kenlyric | though, it's nice when one lib updates, it doesn't need to update 50 mods. |
| 01:40.41 | NightHawkTheSane | well, I don't use wau. I disembed manually and have my ownupdate script |
| 01:40.53 | kenlyric | and if you backup to a flash drive every day like I do, the 2000 fewer files spee it up. |
| 01:41.02 | kenlyric | *speeds |
| 01:41.05 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, true |
| 01:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i've actually been meaning to set up a script to tar.bz2 my addon/wtf folders and commit them to an svn repo |
| 01:41.57 | kenlyric | man, something hammering the website? it's slow. |
| 01:42.23 | kenlyric | yeah, I need an online backup solution, flash drives are for the birds (cause I forget it all the time) |
| 01:43.03 | NightHawkTheSane | googlecode? :P |
| 01:45.16 | Xinhuan | hey |
| 01:45.20 | Xinhuan | if you guys are bored |
| 01:45.24 | Xinhuan | take a look at this :) |
| 01:45.26 | Xinhuan | http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-OF-POKEMON-CARDS-THAT-MY-KIDS-TRIED-TO-SNEAK-BY-ME_W0QQitemZ130144061675QQihZ003QQcategoryZ60238QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 01:49.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: that's awesome |
| 01:58.27 | Keias | Anyone know of a mod that allows you to group up minimap buttons into one button or menu? |
| 02:00.52 | Nickenyfiken | Xinhuan: hahahaha |
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| 02:13.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. does prat have a way to stop a the way chat frames fade in when you mouse over them? |
| 02:13.38 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 02:14.04 | sylvanaar | curney renamed stuff recently so kinda gotta look |
| 02:14.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, "alpha threshold" in frames module sound right? |
| 02:14.27 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 02:14.35 | CIA-22 | 03smcn * r48404 10FuBar_CorkFu/ClassWarrior.lua: |
| 02:14.35 | CIA-22 | FuBar_CorkFu |
| 02:14.35 | CIA-22 | * Warrior: Battle Shout added |
| 02:14.36 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks |
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| 02:24.44 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r48405 10AtlasLoot/ (Constants/constants.en.lua Core/ExtraText.lua): |
| 02:24.44 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 02:24.44 | CIA-22 | - WSG items now accessible from map |
| 02:24.58 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r48406 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/BattlegroundPvP.en.lua: |
| 02:24.58 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 02:24.58 | CIA-22 | - Code formatting correction |
| 02:26.49 | CIA-22 | 03smcn * r48407 10FuBar_CorkFu/ClassWarrior.lua: |
| 02:26.49 | CIA-22 | FuBar_CorkFu |
| 02:26.49 | CIA-22 | * Warrior: Commanding Shout added |
| 02:28.58 | CIA-22 | 03smcn * r48408 10FuBar_CorkFu/ClassWarrior.lua: |
| 02:28.58 | CIA-22 | FuBar_CorkFu |
| 02:28.58 | CIA-22 | * minor fix |
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| 02:41.59 | CIA-22 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r48409 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: |
| 02:41.59 | CIA-22 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 02:41.59 | CIA-22 | - Some more cleaning and un-stupidification |
| 02:41.59 | CIA-22 | - Commented top to bottom, now. Hopefully, this library will no longer be such |
| 02:41.59 | CIA-22 | an opaque mess to prying eyes. Maybe it's even coherent enough that somebody |
| 02:42.00 | CIA-22 | who actually knows what they're doing can make some real improvements (yeah, and |
| 02:42.04 | CIA-22 | monkeys might fly out of my butt). |
| 02:43.55 | Recluse | lol@that ci note |
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| 02:46.10 | kenlyric | ominus "ClassTimer: Added a warning message about sticky" appears to have added an error. line 269, maybe? |
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| 02:53.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: if i've got alt click and ctrl click both bound to click casting, is there any way to access the config frame for a pitbull frame aside from dewdrop/waterfall? |
| 02:53.35 | ckknight | alt-ctrl? |
| 02:53.43 | NightHawkTheSane | neat, thanks |
| 02:53.52 | ckknight | shift can be added to the mix as well |
| 02:58.46 | yssaril | ckknight on parrot can you adjust the quality of loot to display? |
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| 02:58.54 | ckknight | hrm, no |
| 03:02.43 | yssaril | is that an option that could be added? |
| 03:04.59 | Stan__ | mm ckknight what time is it at your's? |
| 03:05.00 | RaydenUni | what is parrot again? |
| 03:05.09 | ckknight | Stan__: 5:04 PM |
| 03:05.16 | ckknight | yssaril: put it on the jira |
| 03:05.20 | yssaril | parrot is an SCT replacement |
| 03:05.22 | ckknight | ~parrot |
| 03:05.22 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, parrot is the image displayed from the ipaq's default bootloader see http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoadingFromCF, or http://www.lobstertech.com/code/phoneparrot/, or a floating combat text addon for WoW |
| 03:05.24 | yssaril | ckknight: will do |
| 03:05.43 | Stan__ | 5am here |
| 03:06.02 | cladhaire | its gonna be weird being +5 hours from where i am now. |
| 03:06.12 | RaydenUni | oh right |
| 03:07.09 | Stan__ | Saw 3 is a sick movie |
| 03:07.24 | ckknight | I enjoyed it |
| 03:07.33 | ckknight | I liked the Saw series |
| 03:07.47 | Stan__ | well it's cool but there are some scenes where I just go "oooh noooo" |
| 03:08.51 | Stan__ | like the one with the black boy getting twisted in this machine |
| 03:09.00 | cchome | any rogue mod that shows slice&dice/rupture,deadpoison? |
| 03:09.18 | ckknight | Stan__: ah, that |
| 03:09.49 | kenlyric | cutup |
| 03:09.51 | kenlyric | ? |
| 03:10.41 | cchome | thx |
| 03:11.45 | yssaril | ckknight: alright its reported |
| 03:11.50 | ckknight | k |
| 03:17.05 | RaydenUni | so i just installed atlas and just updated atlasloot, but it thinks the versions don't match |
| 03:17.20 | Stan__ | wow |
| 03:17.32 | Stan__ | nearing the end of the movie now |
| 03:17.36 | Stan__ | so much surprises |
| 03:19.14 | ckknight | so cool thing that the Zygor guides thing wants to do is have the guide fully in-game, so users can pop up a box that'll give directions and such, instead of having to alt-tab, etc. |
| 03:19.57 | Xinhuan | what lvl are you now? |
| 03:20.25 | ckknight | I'm 51 |
| 03:20.31 | ckknight | and 72% |
| 03:20.57 | Xinhuan | at your speed, you won't reach 70 within 3 weeks |
| 03:20.59 | Xinhuan | :) |
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| 03:21.23 | ckknight | um, do I care? |
| 03:21.27 | RaydenUni | what is zygor? |
| 03:21.38 | ckknight | when did I ever say I was going to reach 70 in 3 weeks? |
| 03:21.47 | ckknight | RaydenUni: http://www.zygorguides.com/ |
| 03:21.59 | yssaril | you need a guide to lvl i thought you jsut need to quest and kill things (maybe some dungeons on the side) |
| 03:22.01 | ckknight | it's a leveling guide for alliance and horde, uses Cartographer |
| 03:22.01 | Xinhuan | deep down, you care a little little bit, because you considered writing raid mods :) |
| 03:22.05 | RaydenUni | oh right |
| 03:22.11 | RaydenUni | that's nice its in game |
| 03:22.22 | RaydenUni | a nice substitute is lightheaded and cartographer i think |
| 03:22.27 | ckknight | and now I'm at 75% |
| 03:22.35 | ckknight | not a substitute |
| 03:22.37 | ckknight | a compliment |
| 03:22.48 | RaydenUni | you pay for zygor right? |
| 03:22.54 | ckknight | complement* |
| 03:22.56 | ckknight | yea, RaydenUni |
| 03:23.09 | CIA-22 | 03daviesh * r48410 10AtlasLoot/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:23.09 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot: |
| 03:23.09 | CIA-22 | - Created a submenu for WSG |
| 03:24.47 | Stan__ | hm ckknight how will he get to know where his child is? |
| 03:26.04 | ckknight | child? |
| 03:26.17 | Stan__ | at the end of the movie |
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| 03:26.26 | Stan__ | still talkin about Saw, sry^^ |
| 03:26.37 | ckknight | is this saw 2 or 3? |
| 03:26.49 | Stan__ | 3 |
| 03:26.57 | ckknight | um, you finished it? |
| 03:27.04 | Stan__ | yes |
| 03:27.13 | ckknight | well, wait for Saw 4 |
| 03:27.19 | Stan__ | lol |
| 03:27.23 | Stan__ | mkay |
| 03:28.59 | NightHawkTheSane | fucking piece of shit pvp server losers. |
| 03:29.30 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: hrm? |
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| 03:29.58 | Megalon | NightHawkTheSane: the server is your own choice? ;c |
| 03:30.05 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, some jackass dwarf decided it would be fun to mind control me off the mountain i was on while i'm basically helpless working on my ui |
| 03:30.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Megalon: sadly, no. my friends are all "we're idiots who don't like pve servers" |
| 03:30.50 | ckknight | what's wrong with pve servers? |
| 03:30.56 | NightHawkTheSane | nothing, i love pve servers! |
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| 03:31.29 | NightHawkTheSane | my friends apparently like being routinely ganked, and harassing other players for no good reason, though |
| 03:32.31 | Stan__ | going to bed now |
| 03:32.33 | Stan__ | good night |
| 03:34.23 | Keias | I like being routinely ganked |
| 03:34.47 | Keias | Then again I work on my UI inside AV :( |
| 03:35.00 | Keias | At the safe warmth of the Horde cave! |
| 03:35.43 | NightHawkTheSane | I should do that. because apparently fucking remote mountains in the middle of nowhere in nagrand aren't safe from idiots. |
| 03:41.21 | kenlyric | any updates to drdamage recently? |
| 03:41.53 | kenlyric | in melee.lua, specifically |
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| 03:45.02 | ckknight | DrDamage-1.2.0\Melee.lua:356: attempt to concatenate upvalue 'mhType' (a nil value) |
| 03:45.03 | ckknight | :-P |
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| 03:45.56 | kenlyric | and DrDamage-1.2.0\Melee.lua:405: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'spd' (a nil value) |
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| 03:55.49 | AniasRB | Quick question - is there a good way to tell a mod newbie how to bulk copy their UI setup from one character to another? |
| 03:56.20 | AniasRB | I doubt they setup profiles before they started moving stuff around. |
| 03:57.08 | Megalon | AniasRB: ace addons? |
| 03:57.14 | AniasRB | So they say. |
| 03:57.17 | kenlyric | well, most ace2 mods use default profile by, uh, default. |
| 03:57.48 | AniasRB | They're changing server, I thought I'd ask if there was a nice extract/import before trying to walk them through finding and moving their wtf. |
| 03:57.48 | kenlyric | but if you copy the contents of the char dir to the new char dir, that'll copy some char-specific stuff (and break some others. |
| 03:58.17 | yssaril | ckknight: anyway to show guildmates positions on the minimap? |
| 03:58.26 | ckknight | no |
| 03:58.38 | yssaril | can it be done? |
| 03:58.43 | kenlyric | layout-cache.txt is where bad mods store their location. |
| 03:58.45 | yssaril | through cartograph? |
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| 03:59.42 | kenlyric | i'm confused how the first "no" was ambiguous. |
| 04:00.05 | kenlyric | maybe it's in a weird language. |
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| 04:03.45 | Silowyi | hey does anyone know of a good list of relative item scores? |
| 04:03.59 | Silowyi | I seem to remember curse or nurfed having one at one time |
| 04:08.12 | yssaril | kenlyric: i didn't specify cart so that could have been a "no but" cause i was thinking if you can display notes on the minimap like where mailboxes etc shouln't you be able to display people? |
| 04:08.53 | kenlyric | people move |
| 04:10.32 | kb1ibt | people move but there are things like cartographer_guild which moves people on the worldmap so couldn't someone be able to updated that to the minimap? |
| 04:11.12 | yssaril | kb1ibt: exactly what i was thinking |
| 04:11.24 | kenlyric | my suspicion is that in the six months since cart_guildpostitions came out, somebody already thought of that. |
| 04:11.42 | kenlyric | I know it absolutely doesn't work in instances, which is where most people seem to want it. |
| 04:11.45 | yssaril | wtb reason why it would not work |
| 04:12.08 | yssaril | instances i understand cause there is no reference point |
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| 04:13.18 | yssaril | ckknight: whats the reason why it cant be done? |
| 04:14.22 | Xinhuan | i'm sure he meant you can't do it in cartographer now. but it can be coded in (but not really useful, just press M). |
| 04:15.00 | yssaril | <--- call me lazy |
| 04:15.07 | kenlyric | so maybe it's a case of "nobody found it useful" |
| 04:15.21 | kenlyric | since you do, start coding! |
| 04:16.38 | yssaril | hmmm i'll look into it |
| 04:17.21 | yssaril | not gonna prommise any clean code or stuff like that but if i can get it to work i'll throw it up on the svn for you guys to help me clean up :P |
| 04:17.35 | Keias | Tuller around? |
| 04:17.36 | Xinhuan | you probably just need to hack the "carto-mining" code |
| 04:17.46 | Xinhuan | to work with carto-guild-position |
| 04:17.50 | Tuller | Keias: yeah |
| 04:18.06 | Keias | In your Bongos2 screenshot on WoWI, whats the mod that you have displaying your Clock? |
| 04:18.19 | Tuller | the clock was added to the minimap |
| 04:18.47 | Tuller | so its just a matter of right clicking the minimap with bars unlocked and enabling it :) |
| 04:18.53 | Tuller | there's no options or anything for it |
| 04:19.07 | Tuller | though timezone would be a good idea |
| 04:19.20 | Keias | As I right click the minimap (while unlocked) right now, there's no options aside from scale and transparency |
| 04:19.41 | Tuller | hrm |
| 04:19.57 | Tuller | you need a new version then :) |
| 04:20.00 | Keias | lemme reupdate and make sure |
| 04:20.02 | Keias | yeah, thanks :) |
| 04:21.44 | CIA-22 | 03ominous * r48411 10Tattle/ (38 files in 38 dirs): Tattle: daily run of the dataminer |
| 04:21.44 | CIA-22 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r48412 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: |
| 04:21.44 | CIA-22 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 04:21.44 | CIA-22 | - Standardized the arg checks |
| 04:21.44 | CIA-22 | - More clean up and commenting of :RegisterTabCompletion() |
| 04:22.30 | yssaril | whats acetab? |
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| 04:27.42 | Tuller | I believe slash commands with tab completion |
| 04:32.52 | ckknight | yssaril: it _could_ be done |
| 04:33.11 | yssaril | ckknight: thanks thats all i needed to know :P |
| 04:36.44 | cchome | whats the classtimers mod /slash cmd? |
| 04:38.05 | hyperChipmunk | it's a generic tab completion lib |
| 04:38.18 | hyperChipmunk | aceconsole uses it for slash commands |
| 04:38.32 | hyperChipmunk | prat and others use it for nick completion |
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| 05:02.57 | yssaril | hyperChipmunk: ty |
| 05:03.51 | ckknight | [Ammo]: ping |
| 05:03.59 | ckknight | ~seen [Ammo] |
| 05:04.01 | purl | [ammo] is currently on #wowi-lounge (1d 5h 30m 22s) #wowace (1d 5h 30m 22s). Has said a total of 120 messages. Is idling for 15h 3m 30s, last said: 'holy spec'. |
| 05:04.02 | yssaril | so you basically register a table of strings and then pass a partial string and it will return with all the possible strings? |
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| 05:05.51 | ckknight | lousy Europeans not being up when I'm up |
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| 05:15.12 | yssaril | ckknight: how often does the the cart mudule guildposition update its info |
| 05:15.24 | Shirik | extremely |
| 05:16.34 | ckknight | by querying guild members |
| 05:16.45 | Shirik | he said how "often" :P |
| 05:21.48 | ckknight | oh |
| 05:21.50 | ckknight | didn't see that |
| 05:22.05 | ckknight | well, it only pings if the map is open |
| 05:22.11 | ckknight | lemme check how often it does it |
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| 05:23.08 | ckknight | min(5, numOnline/10) seconds, yssaril |
| 05:23.20 | ckknight | so in most cases, 5 seconds |
| 05:23.27 | yssaril | k cool |
| 05:23.33 | ckknight | which is not "extremely" often, imho |
| 05:23.46 | yssaril | k cool |
| 05:23.59 | Shirik | enough to spam my dt event trace when you look at all CHAT_MSG_ADDON together :P |
| 05:24.19 | ckknight | yea, I fixed that |
| 05:24.20 | Xinhuan | is that "numOnline" the whole guild, or just those with carto-guild positions enabled? |
| 05:24.24 | ckknight | like a while ago |
| 05:24.27 | ckknight | Xinhuan: whole guild |
| 05:24.51 | ckknight | Shirik: I changed it from a continuous push to a situational pull |
| 05:25.15 | yssaril | ckknight how efficient would it be instead of pining people you would just continously broadcast your loc to the guild? |
| 05:25.19 | Shirik | I see |
| 05:25.24 | Shirik | that's how it used to be |
| 05:25.26 | Shirik | iirc |
| 05:25.27 | ckknight | much less efficient, as I just said |
| 05:25.32 | Shirik | and it was painful :P |
| 05:25.32 | yssaril | ahhh kk |
| 05:25.39 | yssaril | hehe |
| 05:25.50 | ckknight | so it's not happening |
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| 05:54.30 | Guest55457 | hey man |
| 05:54.38 | Guest55457 | im having alot of problems trying to install wowace |
| 05:54.44 | yssaril | ckknight: is there any documentation on how Cartographer_Notes work? http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Cartographer/Notes is a black page |
| 05:55.02 | yssaril | you mean the wowaceupdater? |
| 05:55.03 | ckknight | Guest55457: change your name, and you can't install wowace |
| 05:55.12 | ckknight | thanks to the wiki crash, yssaril |
| 05:55.29 | yssaril | ckknight: figured as much /cry |
| 05:55.33 | m0nkeysensei | yah the updater |
| 05:55.54 | yssaril | ckknight: any idea when that will be back up ? |
| 05:55.56 | m0nkeysensei | when i try and open it, it flashes on the screen and closes itself |
| 05:56.01 | ckknight | yssaril: never |
| 05:56.08 | m0nkeysensei | and i cant find out where it installed to |
| 05:56.19 | m0nkeysensei | and i cant reinstall |
| 05:56.23 | yssaril | ckknight: you rewriting it and redocumenting that? |
| 05:56.34 | ckknight | I really don't feel like it |
| 05:56.48 | ckknight | seeing as I already did it once |
| 05:56.50 | yssaril | m0nkeysensei: go to controll panel and use add remove programs to uninstall it |
| 05:57.11 | m0nkeysensei | ah yess |
| 05:57.12 | yssaril | ckknight: cry wtb backup of wiki |
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| 05:58.10 | m0nkeysensei | no dice |
| 05:58.15 | m0nkeysensei | uninstalled it |
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| 05:58.20 | m0nkeysensei | went to the install site |
| 05:58.24 | m0nkeysensei | still the same problem |
| 05:58.51 | m0nkeysensei | http://www.wowace.com/wau/publish.htm |
| 05:58.52 | m0nkeysensei | right? |
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| 05:59.25 | yssaril | that should do it |
| 05:59.35 | m0nkeysensei | installed it |
| 05:59.39 | m0nkeysensei | it still crashes on me |
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| 06:00.31 | yssaril | what operating system are you using? |
| 06:00.43 | m0nkeysensei | win xp home |
| 06:02.13 | yssaril | do you have .net 2.0 installed? |
| 06:03.41 | m0nkeysensei | very sure i do |
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| 06:03.53 | ckknight | 2.0 or higher, that is |
| 06:04.10 | m0nkeysensei | is there a way to check to be sure? |
| 06:05.08 | yssaril | Mikk: ping |
| 06:05.58 | yssaril | ~seen mikk |
| 06:06.00 | purl | mikk is currently on #wowace (1d 6h 33m 22s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 5h 50m 19s, last said: 'it doesn't gc if fps is low'. |
| 06:07.04 | m0nkeysensei | installing 3.0 |
| 06:07.34 | art3mis | so |
| 06:07.49 | art3mis | i ditched dart |
| 06:07.54 | art3mis | which emans i should ditch duf |
| 06:08.04 | art3mis | the question is what uf should i go with |
| 06:09.10 | ckknight | Bartender3 is what I use |
| 06:09.27 | art3mis | for yer user frames? |
| 06:09.31 | art3mis | heh |
| 06:09.46 | art3mis | i need something thats mostly static |
| 06:10.00 | art3mis | and pretty |
| 06:10.06 | ckknight | oh, not for unit frames |
| 06:10.11 | art3mis | visually pretty |
| 06:10.11 | ckknight | for unit frames I use PitBull |
| 06:10.16 | art3mis | not elegant pretty |
| 06:10.17 | ckknight | I thought you said dub, not duf |
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| 06:10.20 | art3mis | heh |
| 06:10.27 | art3mis | im thinking maybe xperl |
| 06:10.50 | art3mis | but i dont like the extras it comes with and yes i knnow i can disable but i raelly shouldnt need to |
| 06:11.06 | art3mis | can you think of any that are as visually customizable as duf? |
| 06:12.23 | RogueShadow | I used to use xperl before pitbull |
| 06:12.43 | art3mis | i miss minigroup |
| 06:12.50 | RogueShadow | I used duf once, a long time ago, I changed them like. 3 times a day. I got tired of messing with it. |
| 06:12.51 | art3mis | i loved minigroup |
| 06:13.00 | art3mis | heh its for the hkui |
| 06:15.28 | Antiar1 | Woo, T5 gloves and legs in one evening :D |
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| 06:16.15 | RogueShadow | let's see. let's see |
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| 06:16.53 | Antiarc | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarion+Circle&n=Adrine |
| 06:17.03 | Antiarc | I haven't socketed the legs yet. Not sure what I want to put in there yet. |
| 06:17.41 | yssaril | anyone here that can help me with rewikify.awk? |
| 06:17.51 | Antiarc | My hit is plummeting rapidly though |
| 06:17.56 | Antiarc | I need to get a Bloodsail Brigand's |
| 06:18.21 | RogueShadow | grats on those tho. |
| 06:18.31 | ckknight | I dinged 52! |
| 06:18.33 | ckknight | beat that! |
| 06:18.42 | RogueShadow | I don't imagine I"ll ever play enough to get T anything. But I may.... eventually |
| 06:18.44 | RogueShadow | years later. |
| 06:18.44 | ckknight | I wanna be 58 already |
| 06:19.02 | RogueShadow | something special about 58 |
| 06:19.18 | kenlyric | it's a lot of grinding at 58. But, fast grinding :) |
| 06:19.51 | ckknight | I'm at 52 |
| 06:19.53 | ckknight | grinding |
| 06:19.56 | ckknight | prot pally |
| 06:20.00 | ckknight | grinding up some undead |
| 06:20.11 | ckknight | took me ~2 hours to level 51 -> 52 on rested xp |
| 06:21.17 | yssaril | ckknight: http://web.archive.org/web/20070228144809/http://wowace.com/wiki/Cartographer/Notes anyway to take that of there and put it back on the wiki without much manual copy and pasting? |
| 06:21.40 | ckknight | copy-pasting works, though :-P |
| 06:21.59 | ckknight | I think that someone actually has a script that can turn html like that back into wiki format |
| 06:22.02 | ckknight | I could never get it to work, though |
| 06:22.35 | yssaril | yea i just tried it and it errored after line 2 :P |
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| 06:23.00 | Guest55457 | nkeysensei |
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| 06:23.27 | Guest55457 | ok, I reinstalled twice, installed net 3.0, restarted and the program still crashes on me |
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| 06:24.36 | Shirik | define "crashes" |
| 06:24.46 | Shirik | exact error messages are awesome |
| 06:24.56 | m0nkeysensei | program flashes on the screen for a second and automatically closes again |
| 06:25.01 | m0nkeysensei | no error messg |
| 06:25.11 | Shirik | it just randomly shuts down |
| 06:25.14 | m0nkeysensei | yup |
| 06:25.19 | Shirik | do you have any debugger? |
| 06:25.25 | m0nkeysensei | nope |
| 06:26.24 | m0nkeysensei | any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 06:27.06 | ckknight | restart Windows |
| 06:27.07 | NimbleRabit | Anyone know a mod besides clique that could be rebinding what happens when I Right-Click on unit frames? |
| 06:27.10 | m0nkeysensei | tried that |
| 06:27.17 | ckknight | NimbleRabit: Click2Cast |
| 06:27.20 | m0nkeysensei | I reinstalled twice, installed net 3.0, restarted and the program still crashes on me |
| 06:27.24 | NimbleRabit | ckknight: don't have that one |
| 06:28.01 | m0nkeysensei | are there parts of it that are still on my comp causing problems? |
| 06:28.23 | Shirik | is the program written for .net 3.0? |
| 06:28.34 | [Ammo] | pong ckk |
| 06:28.38 | m0nkeysensei | should be reverse compatible |
| 06:28.41 | Shirik | 3.0 != 2.0. They can coexist, but they are not the same thing |
| 06:28.45 | Shirik | just as 2.0 does NOT work for 1.0 |
| 06:29.06 | Shirik | 2.0 can be installed concurrently with 1.0, but they are not compatible |
| 06:29.16 | m0nkeysensei | thats REALLY wierd |
| 06:29.21 | Shirik | blame Microsof |
| 06:30.17 | Shirik | however, it should yell at you if you don't have a version of 2.0 installed |
| 06:30.24 | m0nkeysensei | apparently i do |
| 06:30.25 | ckknight | actually 3.0 is pretty much just 2.0 + WinFX stuff and C# 3.0 support |
| 06:30.33 | Laric | dotnet 3.0 is just an extension to 2.0 iirc |
| 06:30.38 | ckknight | the backend didn't change |
| 06:30.41 | ckknight | except for optimizations |
| 06:30.43 | ckknight | just libraries |
| 06:30.46 | Shirik | Everything I have read from microsoft has said they are not compatible |
| 06:31.05 | Shirik | in the same way 1.0 and 2.0 weren't |
| 06:31.14 | m0nkeysensei | so... will 3.0 overwrite 2.0 or what |
| 06:31.17 | Shirik | no |
| 06:31.22 | Shirik | they can coexist as I've already said |
| 06:31.30 | Laric | shirik pretty sure you need 2.0 to run 3.0 not like 1.0/1.1 |
| 06:31.32 | Shirik | however, I should also point out that I probably shouldn't trust everything I read from Microsoft |
| 06:31.44 | m0nkeysensei | k, repairing 2.0 now just incase its broken |
| 06:32.16 | m0nkeysensei | where do all the wowace files install too? maybe something is getting left behind? |
| 06:32.35 | Shirik | I also thought the WAU project was in Java? |
| 06:33.15 | m0nkeysensei | repaird 2.0, it still crashes |
| 06:33.24 | m0nkeysensei | obvoisly its the program |
| 06:33.28 | m0nkeysensei | obvoisly* |
| 06:33.30 | m0nkeysensei | grr |
| 06:33.35 | Shirik | you haven't proven it's the program |
| 06:33.40 | Shirik | you've merely proven it's not the library |
| 06:34.10 | m0nkeysensei | so how do i completely get rid of any trace of the program and start over |
| 06:34.24 | Shirik | low level format your hard drive |
| 06:34.26 | Yssaril_ | ckknight: what do you thinkhttp://wowace.com/wiki/Cartographer/Notes |
| 06:34.31 | Yssaril_ | http://wowace.com/wiki/Cartographer/Notes |
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| 06:34.32 | m0nkeysensei | .... |
| 06:34.40 | Shirik | no OS will ever "completely get rid of any trace" |
| 06:34.44 | Shirik | it's way too hard |
| 06:34.57 | Yssaril_ | toss out the hard drive and get a new one |
| 06:34.58 | m0nkeysensei | how do i get rid of it to the point that it will reinstall freshly |
| 06:35.23 | m0nkeysensei | the version i had before i upgraded worked perfectly |
| 06:35.44 | m0nkeysensei | i just now updated after not using it for a month and not it refuses to work |
| 06:35.46 | Shirik | one would assume that uninstalling it would do that |
| 06:35.52 | Shirik | and again, my question stands |
| 06:35.57 | Shirik | isn't WAU written in Java? |
| 06:36.02 | Shirik | Which would imply it does not use .net? |
| 06:36.21 | m0nkeysensei | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.22 | m0nkeysensei | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.22 | m0nkeysensei | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.22 | m0nkeysensei | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.06 | ckknight | durr |
| 06:37.14 | ckknight | add wowace.com to trusted sites! |
| 06:37.20 | m0nkeysensei | already have |
| 06:37.23 | ckknight | oh |
| 06:37.25 | ckknight | very well then |
| 06:37.31 | ckknight | lauch IE in elevated mode? |
| 06:37.31 | m0nkeysensei | tried installing through IE |
| 06:37.42 | m0nkeysensei | tried installing through FF with the addon |
| 06:37.45 | ckknight | Shirik: 2.0 is, not 1.9, which people for some reason still use |
| 06:37.50 | m0nkeysensei | tried the zip |
| 06:37.51 | Shirik | ah |
| 06:37.53 | m0nkeysensei | etc |
| 06:37.55 | Shirik | See I don't use either so I don't know |
| 06:38.03 | Fisker- | lolwut Gagorian |
| 06:38.11 | ckknight | m0nkeysensei: try use WAU 2.0 instead of 1.9 |
| 06:38.27 | ckknight | Yssaril_: looks good |
| 06:38.33 | m0nkeysensei | http://www.wowace.com/wau/publish.htm |
| 06:38.37 | m0nkeysensei | there or? |
| 06:39.11 | Yssaril_ | hehe i figured out what i was doing wrong wiht the auto reformat thing |
| 06:39.29 | Yssaril_ | m0nkeysensei: http://www.wowace.com/wau2/ |
| 06:39.38 | m0nkeysensei | you know having the main installer page go to an OLD VERSION is a bit weird |
| 06:39.57 | yssaril | brb irc is going crazy on me |
| 06:40.10 | *** join/#wowace yssaril (n=chatzill@adsl-76-238-5-53.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:40.28 | yssaril | back |
| 06:41.20 | *** join/#wowace Sole (n=chatzill@203.109.161.194) |
| 06:41.26 | Sole | hello |
| 06:42.16 | m0nkeysensei | is there something in 1.9 that makes it different from 2.0 that it has to be listed on the main page? |
| 06:44.24 | yssaril | 2.0 is in beta in is a compleate reqrite of 1.9 (actually its not even based on 1.9 as far as i know) |
| 06:45.21 | Laric | wau2 is java based iirc |
| 06:45.31 | Fisker- | don't even know why people use java |
| 06:45.33 | CIA-22 | 03phanx * r48415 10OnScreenHealth/OnScreenHealth.lua: |
| 06:45.33 | CIA-22 | OnScreenHealth: |
| 06:45.34 | CIA-22 | - Fixed a nil value error with certain health text formats under certain circumstances |
| 06:45.45 | Laric | java is a really horrible thing |
| 06:46.18 | m0nkeysensei | know of any other cross platform language? |
| 06:46.18 | Tem | java is winnar |
| 06:46.22 | Shadowed | java is fine |
| 06:46.30 | Tem | lua is a crossplatform lang |
| 06:46.32 | m0nkeysensei | decent ones |
| 06:46.33 | Tem | suck it |
| 06:46.37 | NightHawkTheSane | lots of languages are cross platform |
| 06:46.41 | m0nkeysensei | ah |
| 06:46.51 | Tem | python is cross plat |
| 06:46.51 | yssaril | can anyone recomend a decent questlog addon am using uberquest right now all i need is something that displays my quests i am currently working on and a questlog that is bugger(ie easier to read) http://wow-cdn1.incgamers.com/UberQuestRebornAgain_20070601.jpg |
| 06:46.59 | Tem | DOUBLEWIDE |
| 06:47.07 | Tem | for the wiiiiiin |
| 06:47.13 | Shadowed | doublewide sucks |
| 06:47.19 | Laric | java language is per definition not crossplatform.. it runs on the jvm platform. the platform can run on most other platforms |
| 06:47.19 | Shadowed | if tem likes it, it must suck |
| 06:47.27 | yssaril | but java does xplatform really well (its just slow for my taste) |
| 06:47.39 | *** kick/#wowace [Shadowed!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem (Tem) |
| 06:47.39 | *** join/#wowace Shadowed (n=outlaw@12.157.177.162) |
| 06:47.41 | m0nkeysensei | but still that doesnt answer why an old version is listed on the main page as a beta? |
| 06:47.43 | Shadowed | POWER ABUSE |
| 06:47.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yssaril: well, it makes doing cross platform easy. |
| 06:47.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't say it does it well. |
| 06:47.49 | *** kick/#wowace [Shadowed!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem (I hate you) |
| 06:47.49 | *** join/#wowace Shadowed (n=outlaw@12.157.177.162) |
| 06:47.54 | Shadowed | ban the power abuser |
| 06:47.54 | *** kick/#wowace [Shadowed!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem (stop it) |
| 06:47.54 | *** join/#wowace Shadowed (n=outlaw@12.157.177.162) |
| 06:47.57 | Shadowed | never |
| 06:47.58 | *** kick/#wowace [Shadowed!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem (GET OUT) |
| 06:47.58 | *** join/#wowace Shadowed (n=outlaw@12.157.177.162) |
| 06:48.00 | Shadowed | nope |
| 06:48.03 | *** kick/#wowace [Shadowed!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem (WHAT THE FUCK) |
| 06:48.03 | *** join/#wowace Shadowed (n=outlaw@12.157.177.162) |
| 06:48.11 | Tem | fine |
| 06:48.17 | m0nkeysensei | lol? |
| 06:48.19 | *** mode/#wowace [+b *!*n=outlaw@12.157.177.162] by Tem |
| 06:48.19 | *** kick/#wowace [Shadowed!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem (Tem) |
| 06:48.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. On one hand.. that is kind of abusive. |
| 06:48.29 | NightHawkTheSane | on the other, it's really fucking funny |
| 06:48.38 | Laric | yssaril tried nquestlog? |
| 06:48.48 | yssaril | never heard of it |
| 06:48.48 | Tem | so, any of you other people with ops |
| 06:48.57 | Tem | remove that ban |
| 06:49.00 | yssaril | is it on wowace? |
| 06:49.02 | Tem | I'm not sober enough to type that |
| 06:49.18 | m0nkeysensei | ok, its working now that I installed the beta |
| 06:49.31 | m0nkeysensei | thx mates :D |
| 06:49.56 | *** mode/#wowace [-b *!*n=outlaw@12.157.177.162] by Tem |
| 06:49.57 | m0nkeysensei | (although i still find the site setup a bit weird) |
| 06:50.00 | m0nkeysensei | >_> |
| 06:50.05 | Tem | am i doing it rite? |
| 06:50.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: i believe so |
| 06:50.29 | Tem | d'oh |
| 06:50.35 | yssaril | Laric: got any screenshots of the mod? |
| 06:50.35 | Tem | IO could have copy/patse |
| 06:50.59 | *** join/#wowace Shadowed (n=outlaw@12.157.177.162) |
| 06:51.02 | NightHawkTheSane | you're totally drunk aren't you. |
| 06:51.21 | Tem | yssaril, java is only slow if you try to do like high performance stuff |
| 06:52.03 | Tem | I'm not drink |
| 06:52.06 | Shadowed | yes you are |
| 06:52.11 | Shadowed | the GUI stuff can be a little bit slow at times |
| 06:52.12 | Tem | close, yes, but not drunk |
| 06:52.15 | Shadowed | but overall it's not that bad |
| 06:52.17 | m0nkeysensei | "I'm not drink"? |
| 06:52.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm kinda jealous |
| 06:52.38 | yssaril | Tem: yea i know as i said slow (at work our point of sale and order traking system is java based takes 4+ sec for it to respond after you click a button) |
| 06:53.00 | Tem | yssaril, sounds like there's some shitty code in there |
| 06:53.07 | Tem | it should NEVER ba that slou |
| 06:53.09 | m0nkeysensei | sure its not just poorly coded? |
| 06:53.16 | Shadowed | what the drunk said |
| 06:53.38 | the-golem[away] | bah |
| 06:53.47 | the-golem[away] | Java is ass no matter how you cut it |
| 06:53.49 | Shadowed | it's either not threading and it waits for the results to come back before doing anything else, or it's failing in general |
| 06:54.00 | yssaril | probably a combination of everyhting all i know it takes forever to change some job options |
| 06:54.08 | Shadowed | thats like saying |
| 06:54.14 | Shadowed | you can crash WoW with lua, so lua sucks |
| 06:54.22 | Shadowed | s/crash/freeze/ |
| 06:54.58 | m0nkeysensei | i prefer ruby |
| 06:55.00 | the-golem[away] | umm |
| 06:55.01 | the-golem[away] | no |
| 06:55.13 | Tem | the-golem[away], tread carefully |
| 06:55.24 | ckknight | the-golem: now that's not always true |
| 06:55.28 | ckknight | it's okay in some cases |
| 06:55.36 | Shadowed | (and drunk) |
| 06:55.41 | m0nkeysensei | seeya folks |
| 06:55.47 | *** part/#wowace m0nkeysensei (i=Spark@cpe-076-182-064-095.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 06:55.49 | ckknight | e.g. Jira on wowace is in java, and it's a lot better on the server than trac |
| 06:55.56 | Antiar1 | trac's python |
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| 06:56.06 | ZealotOnAStick | no, you can actually crash wow with lua. |
| 06:56.06 | the-golem | Tem: i'll tread where i please, thankyou |
| 06:56.16 | yssaril | alright am gonna try nquestlog anyone have any suggestions for a professions interface? |
| 06:56.16 | Tem | not if I say so =P |
| 06:56.18 | Shadowed | you're a smart one golem |
| 06:57.11 | *** kick/#wowace [Shadowed!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem (I told you to shush) |
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| 06:57.34 | Shadowed | if you had meant it, you would have said something 5 minutes ago |
| 06:57.55 | m0nkeysensei | one other thing, someone said ace2.0 is still in beta? |
| 06:57.56 | Tem | huh? |
| 06:58.00 | Tem | hah |
| 06:58.07 | Tem | ace2 is in perpetual beta |
| 06:58.11 | NightHawkTheSane | yssaril: manufac is nice |
| 06:58.12 | Tem | exactly where it doesn't belong |
| 06:58.13 | Shadowed | it i-what tem said |
| 06:58.34 | m0nkeysensei | Ace2 has gone gold. You can get the latest development copy off of the Ace Subversion repository, or download it from [1] |
| 06:58.43 | m0nkeysensei | how can something be gold and beta |
| 06:58.51 | Shadowed | easly |
| 06:58.55 | Shadowed | a description that lies |
| 06:58.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ask googlke |
| 06:59.02 | NightHawkTheSane | they seem to have figured that out |
| 06:59.02 | m0nkeysensei | lol |
| 06:59.11 | m0nkeysensei | ah well |
| 06:59.17 | m0nkeysensei | time for w0w |
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| 07:00.23 | the-golem | Shadowed: let me rephrase. IMHO, Java is a bloated cludgy mess. I'm not saying its crap because some programs run slow. I'm saying its crap in general. It's all my opinion, and is not based on any factual finds. |
| 07:00.42 | Shadowed | the-golem let me rephrase |
| 07:00.45 | Shadowed | you're wrong |
| 07:01.06 | the-golem | thats nice |
| 07:01.16 | the-golem | Opinions are allowed to be "wrong" |
| 07:01.16 | Shadowed | like all programming languages, it has a place, you can't use the same language for everything and expect it to be awesome |
| 07:01.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: but damned if a lot of people don't try! |
| 07:01.41 | Shadowed | and whine when they fail! |
| 07:01.42 | Tem | the-golem, opinions can be wrong in #wowace as long as there is an @ newxt to my name |
| 07:01.45 | CIA-22 | 03siz * r48416 10FuBar_AddonSpamFu/ (AddonSpamFu.lua FuBar_AddonSpamFu.toc): |
| 07:01.45 | CIA-22 | FuBar_AddonSpamFu: |
| 07:01.45 | CIA-22 | -Disable display of Addon Messages in a chatframe by default |
| 07:01.45 | CIA-22 | -Added some prefixes |
| 07:01.58 | the-golem | your @ means little to me |
| 07:02.04 | Tem | orly? |
| 07:02.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i find most people's opinions are actually wrong, especially when they differ from mine |
| 07:02.28 | Shadowed | everyone else is wrong |
| 07:02.29 | Shadowed | i'm right |
| 07:02.40 | the-golem | yes, really |
| 07:02.40 | Shadowed | any disagreements are wrong also |
| 07:03.11 | *** kick/#wowace [the-golem!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem (SLAP) |
| 07:03.12 | *** join/#wowace the-golem (n=Darrin@adsl-76-232-3-53.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:03.19 | the-golem | ooooooh |
| 07:03.33 | the-golem | yeah, you are so much cooler now |
| 07:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | I dunno, i think he is. :) |
| 07:04.35 | the-golem | kicking me all of half a second really showed me whos boss *rolleyes* |
| 07:05.32 | Tem | so, you want me to ban you? |
| 07:05.40 | Tem | cause like, I can |
| 07:05.48 | the-golem | indeed |
| 07:05.57 | the-golem | *flex* |
| 07:06.17 | Tem | that reeks of bait imo |
| 07:06.36 | ckknight | don't ban him, he's given no real reason to be banned |
| 07:06.56 | the-golem | hey, whatever makes you 'happy' buddy ;-) |
| 07:07.32 | cncfanatics | he's saying he thinks java is bloated, you disagree and you wanne ban him for it ? :p ain't that a bit silly ? (just joined so dunno if thats the full convo, but I think it is) |
| 07:07.59 | Shadowed | if he was basing it off some sort of fact |
| 07:08.04 | Shadowed | besides "I think it sucks because i said so" |
| 07:08.12 | CIA-22 | 03cncfanatics * r48417 10FlexBar2/Attributes/Attributes.lua: |
| 07:08.12 | CIA-22 | FlexBar2: |
| 07:08.12 | CIA-22 | Attributes.lua: |
| 07:08.12 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.18 | cncfanatics | if he wants to think it sucks ? let him ? its his loss not urs |
| 07:08.33 | cncfanatics | either way, I got lots of stuff to do today, so bye |
| 07:08.56 | Tem | bah, screw you guys |
| 07:09.09 | Tem | l2readtem'smind |
| 07:09.31 | the-golem | ewww no, i dun wanna know whats in that sewer trap ^^ |
| 07:09.45 | NightHawkTheSane | bet it's more interesting than yours |
| 07:09.55 | the-golem | indeed |
| 07:10.15 | the-golem | any thing is mor interesting than mine |
| 07:10.26 | the-golem | i've got clay for brains ^__^ |
| 07:10.27 | Tem | thou shalt not insult the inner workings of tem's mind |
| 07:10.31 | yssaril | damn manufac is nice found a bug though |
| 07:10.57 | *** join/#wowace Kalman| (n=delay@adsl-76-226-94-167.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:10.58 | yssaril | when it hasnt see a proffesion yet and you try to refresh it then it pops this |
| 07:11.05 | yssaril | [2007/09/08 02:09:00-1145-x1]: Manufac-2.0.r36529\Manufac.lua:594: PeriodicTable-3.0: Invalid arg1: item must be a number or item link |
| 07:11.06 | yssaril | <in C code>: in function `CastSpell' |
| 07:11.08 | yssaril | Manufac-2.0.r36529\Manufac.lua:880: in function `func' |
| 07:11.10 | yssaril | Dewdrop-2.0-48355 (DewdropLib):721: in function <...erface\AddOns\DewdropLib\Dewdrop-2.0\Dewdrop-2.0.lua:660> |
| 07:20.13 | *** kick/#wowace [Fisker-!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] by Tem (slap?) |
| 07:20.32 | *** join/#wowace Fisker- (i=xD@85.24.17.53.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 07:20.35 | Fisker- | i don't like you |
| 07:20.36 | ckknight | Jesus Tem, don't do that. That's just how Fisker- is |
| 07:20.45 | *** join/#wowace Athou (n=ask@83.101.11.152) |
| 07:21.01 | Fisker- | i'm farming insignia's |
| 07:24.32 | Neebler | haw http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/103130.html |
| 07:24.42 | Neebler | funny brits |
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| 07:29.04 | omega | haha, genious |
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| 07:31.43 | Neebler | viva la stumbleupon |
| 07:32.18 | catid | wow he never took a breath |
| 07:32.22 | catid | i was waiting for it |
| 07:32.39 | catid | that man must be a champion swimmer |
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| 07:35.20 | catid | that video made me want to play System Shock 2, and fortunately it is both on USENET and also supported by WINE so here we go! |
| 07:36.32 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hellokitty-ui.jpg |
| 07:36.49 | art3mis | ^^ updated lemme now whatcha think of the unitframes and new panels |
| 07:37.03 | Neebler | oh lawdie! |
| 07:37.12 | catid | lolsmite it |
| 07:38.02 | Fisker- | i want to physically harm you art3mis |
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| 07:38.14 | art3mis | you love it |
| 07:38.18 | art3mis | you know you do ;) |
| 07:38.25 | catid | there is a limit to how far a joke is worth taking art3mis .. no one will use it ! |
| 07:39.03 | art3mis | actually im learning all sorts of stuff |
| 07:39.14 | catid | ah then it's worth it |
| 07:39.15 | art3mis | so once this is done i can do up my ui all nice and happy for me |
| 07:39.16 | Sole | rofl |
| 07:39.41 | art3mis | and its been download 110 times btw ;) |
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| 07:39.56 | art3mis | im betting 108 of those are jokes for roommates though ;P |
| 07:39.59 | catid | has anyone else noticed that X-Perl's range fading seems to break every other release? |
| 07:40.10 | ckknight | lol, art3mis |
| 07:40.11 | art3mis | i turned it off |
| 07:40.26 | art3mis | my spell bars have range in em i dont care if the unit is ;P |
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| 07:40.41 | art3mis | although the cyCircled seems to be a bit hit |
| 07:40.41 | catid | i like to see if people are in range for fort buffs in my raids |
| 07:40.49 | art3mis | smartbuff |
| 07:40.51 | art3mis | ;) |
| 07:40.54 | catid | it's the only reason i use Grid now |
| 07:41.04 | catid | because Grid's frame fading works right now |
| 07:41.22 | art3mis | hk Cycircled is at 175ish downloads |
| 07:42.27 | catid | i was thinking it would be cool to make a mod for raid leaders that need to position people.. that would show a 3d arrow pointing at where they should stand and a marker on the ground at the location |
| 07:42.44 | Demon | :o |
| 07:42.51 | Demon | that would be nice |
| 07:43.21 | yssaril | art3mis: how can you check how many have downloaded it or did you put them somewhere besides wowace? |
| 07:44.08 | yssaril | catid: problem is there is no reference coordinate system in raids and as such that is impossible to make |
| 07:44.40 | catid | ah that explains why the cartographer mod can't show my dot on the map |
| 07:44.41 | yssaril | catid: my recomendation is use them smoke flairs |
| 07:44.50 | catid | yeah we do, and it works ok |
| 07:44.53 | Demon | yay smoke flares |
| 07:45.06 | catid | i mean you can't be a dumbass on 25 man raids hah |
| 07:45.22 | Fisker- | airborne better be good |
| 07:45.25 | yssaril | man it was great when the vendors for them were bugged and they didnt cost anything |
| 07:46.15 | the-golem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.58 | catid | we use the trivia bot mod in our raid that's hacked with trivia from our guild :) |
| 07:47.07 | catid | like who peoples' alts are and such |
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| 07:48.51 | yssaril | alright gnight guys |
| 07:50.38 | CIA-22 | 03nargiddley * r48418 10Baggins/ (Baggins-Filtering.lua Baggins-esES.lua): Baggins: Add esES localization, thanks Korln |
| 07:59.22 | art3mis | yss: its on the author page info\ |
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| 08:03.44 | ramoz | Grum: ping? |
| 08:10.58 | Sole | so whos been playing Fury? |
| 08:14.08 | the-golem | hmmm, eePanels can be adjusted as to which level of the strata the panels sit on, right? |
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| 08:19.50 | the-golem | jeez |
| 08:20.01 | the-golem | lazy sleeping people ^^ |
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| 08:22.57 | art3mis | yeah it can |
| 08:23.07 | art3mis | its got tick settings for it |
| 08:26.09 | Pkekyo | g'morning all |
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| 08:30.16 | the-golem | art3mis: thanks |
| 08:30.32 | CIA-22 | 03cwdg * r48419 10BossWhisperer/BossWhisperer.lua: BossWhisperer: update zhCN local |
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| 08:31.10 | orionshock | morning all |
| 08:31.40 | Pkekyo | mornin |
| 08:35.02 | art3mis | i did notice a slight bug in eepanels2 though |
| 08:35.26 | art3mis | appearantly if you put a panel over another panel with a texture, it tends to get hidden by the panel that came first |
| 08:35.33 | orionshock | ... |
| 08:36.15 | art3mis | in creation and stuff it's there and functional, do a reload and poof the panel with the higher panel# disappears |
| 08:36.36 | art3mis | its still where its supposed to be if you alter the strata though |
| 08:43.56 | the-golem | ewww |
| 08:44.29 | orionshock | fk.. too bad there isn't a way to quiry the entire UI for a spesicic funtion so you can dissasemble it |
| 08:44.37 | Pkekyo | http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9008/13806210sp0.jpg I -LOVE- this pic ^^ |
| 08:44.45 | the-golem | i need to get off my lazy tookus and work on my lua |
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| 08:51.09 | orionshock | this the right syntax? |
| 08:51.10 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.29 | orionshock | Update_CaptureBar being the function being call by the hook? |
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| 08:52.40 | [Ammo] | orionshock: self:Hook( "CaptureBar_Update") |
| 08:52.58 | [Ammo] | and then it'll call myaddon:CaptureBarUpdate() |
| 08:53.02 | Fisker- | http://i13.tinypic.com/62ihimg.jpg |
| 08:53.05 | [Ammo] | make sure to call and return at the end |
| 08:53.06 | Fisker- | typical EA |
| 08:53.32 | the-golem | lol |
| 08:53.35 | Corgan | lol |
| 08:53.38 | the-golem | new definition to HEAD SHOT |
| 08:54.39 | art3mis | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=150&Set=64 |
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| 08:55.19 | orionshock | ok and then the return would be : |
| 08:55.21 | orionshock | return self.hooks[CaptureBar_Update](id, value, neutralPercent,...) |
| 08:55.46 | art3mis | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=146&Set=64 this one rules |
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| 09:01.07 | orionshock | ok... am i doing something wrong? |
| 09:01.22 | orionshock | GetMouseFocus():GetName() is returning WorldFrame when hovering over the capture bar |
| 09:01.58 | Nargiddley | its not mouse enabled, so the worldframe still has mouse focus |
| 09:03.27 | orionshock | nice... |
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| 09:05.10 | Silviu- | |
| 09:05.10 | Silviu- | kergoth |
| 09:05.14 | Silviu- | hm |
| 09:05.19 | Silviu- | ~seen kergoth |
| 09:05.21 | purl | kergoth is currently on #wowi-lounge (6d 4h 33m 32s) #oe (6d 4h 33m 32s) #norganna (6d 4h 33m 32s) #elinux (6d 4h 33m 32s). Has said a total of 666 messages. Is idling for 10h 42m 1s, last said: 'boo work'. |
| 09:05.44 | haste | evil |
| 09:07.37 | the-golem | win: http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=119&Set=64 |
| 09:08.32 | starlon | ~~ |
| 09:08.33 | purl | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 09:08.43 | Corgan | hay guys what do you think http://www.streedo.com/UI.jpg |
| 09:09.35 | Pkekyo | Corgan: what texture is that? |
| 09:09.53 | Pkekyo | black bar on unitframes made the frame fugly :> |
| 09:10.00 | Nargiddley | i see baggins, therefore i approve :D |
| 09:10.20 | Pkekyo | change colors of your buff bars |
| 09:10.21 | Corgan | black bar = castbar |
| 09:10.28 | Corgan | texture for unitframes? |
| 09:10.29 | Pkekyo | well, it's fugly |
| 09:10.30 | Corgan | striped |
| 09:10.39 | Pkekyo | Corgan: no, bgtexture |
| 09:10.48 | Corgan | oh |
| 09:10.49 | Pkekyo | get rid of ALL minimap buttons |
| 09:10.50 | Corgan | uh |
| 09:11.04 | Corgan | deadlybossmods...dunno how to get rid of the icon |
| 09:11.10 | Corgan | and the other one...coolDown |
| 09:11.12 | Corgan | dunno how to get rid of it |
| 09:11.25 | Pkekyo | Corgan: get BigWigs and CooldownTimer instead :p |
| 09:11.27 | Corgan | other one is the battleground queue |
| 09:11.36 | Corgan | I like coolDown :\ |
| 09:11.43 | Corgan | and I should get BigWigs |
| 09:11.54 | Pkekyo | well, it has a minimap button...has to go.... |
| 09:11.58 | Corgan | :( |
| 09:12.04 | Corgan | that texture |
| 09:12.04 | Corgan | is |
| 09:12.05 | Corgan | fuck |
| 09:12.12 | Corgan | hatched? |
| 09:12.13 | Pkekyo | I'll take two, please? |
| 09:12.21 | Corgan | i think |
| 09:12.29 | Corgan | yeah, Hatched |
| 09:12.32 | Corgan | from Surfaces |
| 09:12.37 | Pkekyo | people claim DBM has a 'hide minimap button function', but methinks they are all liars and pansies... |
| 09:13.06 | Pkekyo | texture is too sci-fi for wow imo....a matter of taste I guess... |
| 09:13.09 | ckknight | there is no great revenant mystery to all of this. It's all so fruitless, wasting our lives worshipping nothing |
| 09:13.12 | ckknight | *sigh* |
| 09:13.26 | Silviu- | http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot090807121205ku2.jpg what u think about mine ? |
| 09:13.57 | Pkekyo | Corgan: you a clicker? :< |
| 09:14.05 | Corgan | no |
| 09:14.13 | the-golem | Corgan: you have a widescreen? |
| 09:14.16 | Corgan | yes |
| 09:14.38 | the-golem | :-( |
| 09:14.41 | the-golem | i need one of those |
| 09:14.52 | the-golem | so i can have everythign at the bottom |
| 09:14.53 | the-golem | ^^ |
| 09:15.04 | Pkekyo | Silviu-: I think your bar texture is FUGLY_as_hell, your cowtip(it is, no?) should have more transparency, and the eePanels fading bars background crap is just toooooo played... |
| 09:15.26 | Pkekyo | ditto, golem... |
| 09:15.31 | Pkekyo | geif widescreen :< |
| 09:15.58 | Silviu- | Pkekyo texture is litestep mhm cowtip |
| 09:16.02 | Silviu- | let me look |
| 09:16.09 | Pkekyo | litestep is a fucking abomination |
| 09:16.16 | Nargiddley | looks like the same texture i use |
| 09:16.17 | Silviu- | Well i like it |
| 09:16.31 | Corgan | my unitframe bar textures are striped |
| 09:16.33 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hellokitty-ui.jpg i win for most unplayed ui look ;P |
| 09:16.44 | Pkekyo | I'd rather dig my eyes out of their sockets than use litestep :) |
| 09:16.51 | the-golem | yeah |
| 09:17.00 | Pkekyo | art3mis: not the color...only the logo :< |
| 09:17.06 | the-golem | i been noone knows what LiteStep *really* is |
| 09:17.17 | Corgan | replacement shell |
| 09:17.18 | Nargiddley | if you mean the shell, i used to use it |
| 09:17.20 | Corgan | for windows? |
| 09:17.24 | Corgan | I used to use it too |
| 09:17.27 | the-golem | *gasp* |
| 09:17.28 | the-golem | i lose |
| 09:17.29 | the-golem | lol |
| 09:17.31 | Corgan | lol |
| 09:17.40 | Pkekyo | some pala in my old guild went all pink and fluffy with his UI...hurt my eyes |
| 09:17.41 | the-golem | i'm using it right now ^^ |
| 09:17.55 | art3mis | litestep->darkstep->litestep->bb4win->bbLean->emerge |
| 09:18.08 | Pkekyo | art3mis: why so many shades of turqoise? |
| 09:18.09 | the-golem | i tried emerge |
| 09:18.14 | art3mis | starting back around 98ish ;) |
| 09:18.19 | the-golem | i have to say i hated it |
| 09:18.31 | art3mis | Pkekyo: trying to keep with the HK theme from the cartoon |
| 09:18.39 | art3mis | emerge is simply and plain |
| 09:18.41 | Pkekyo | HK? |
| 09:18.46 | Pkekyo | shells = windows explorer replacements? |
| 09:18.48 | Silviu- | art3mis lol ... |
| 09:18.54 | the-golem | Pkekyo: yes |
| 09:18.57 | the-golem | well |
| 09:19.02 | the-golem | not the file browser |
| 09:19.02 | art3mis | its all i need, clean destop systray, tasts, vmm and hotbuttons |
| 09:19.04 | the-golem | part |
| 09:19.11 | Pkekyo | huh |
| 09:19.14 | art3mis | hk==hello kitty |
| 09:19.24 | Pkekyo | I skin/replace pretty much everything |
| 09:19.47 | art3mis | Pkekyo: shells is just the fancy way of saying xwin window manager ;P |
| 09:19.49 | Pkekyo | I've replaced my taskbar with the Mac OS X dock :) |
| 09:19.59 | the-golem | bah |
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| 09:20.00 | art3mis | the shell registry entry was explorer.exe |
| 09:20.13 | the-golem | gay, just getta mac :P |
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| 09:20.21 | art3mis | to change to a diff WM you replace that reg key thus windows shells |
| 09:20.30 | art3mis | i want the windows rolly selector thingy |
| 09:20.39 | Pkekyo | the-golem: can't afford it, nor does it support everything I need |
| 09:20.52 | art3mis | Silviu-: heh cycircled is a big hit for the hk theme and im over 100 DLs on the ui ;) |
| 09:21.02 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r518 10/trunk/TourGuide/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:21.03 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: TourGuide |
| 09:21.05 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: - Cleanup in quest tracking since turnin detection is finally working right |
| 09:21.07 | Silviu- | ;)))))))) |
| 09:21.09 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: - Guide tweaks from actual leveling |
| 09:21.11 | Silviu- | Mostly girls |
| 09:21.12 | Silviu- | ;)) |
| 09:21.16 | art3mis | mostly jerks ;P |
| 09:21.17 | the-golem | hmmms |
| 09:21.31 | art3mis | people downloading it to put on roomies of offsprings computers while they arent home |
| 09:21.42 | the-golem | i'd like a vol skin thats the size of litestep w/o gloss |
| 09:21.52 | art3mis | one eprson commented that he/she was gonna put it on thier sons computer while he was at school ;P |
| 09:22.02 | art3mis | Silviu-: you've got svn access right? |
| 09:22.07 | the-golem | i'd do it myself, but im retarted with alpha blending |
| 09:22.12 | Silviu- | art3mis yes |
| 09:22.31 | the-golem | art3mis: you do cyCircled? then my hat is off to you |
| 09:22.35 | art3mis | Silviu-: would you mind terribly getting the hk cycircled from wowi and overwriteing the svn copy with it for me? |
| 09:22.44 | art3mis | shake i just did the HK theme for it |
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| 09:23.07 | Silviu- | hmm i`m not so good with svn :/ i only modified 3 files or so :)) |
| 09:23.10 | Silviu- | Till now |
| 09:23.12 | art3mis | whw svn copy is broken, and if anyone accidently WAU's it it wont function |
| 09:23.21 | art3mis | err the |
| 09:24.22 | art3mis | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=117&Set=64 |
| 09:25.00 | Nargiddley | http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8254/wowscrnshot090807212202gj3.jpg is my ui |
| 09:25.35 | the-golem | art3mis: that actually looks pretty nice .. the circled part, not that gaudy HK bg in the pic |
| 09:26.05 | the-golem | by pretty nice, i mean it looks well done. Not that i'd use it :P |
| 09:26.42 | art3mis | the-golem: heh the new screenie i linked is the new background |
| 09:26.49 | art3mis | that one was my first "fuck around" |
| 09:27.23 | art3mis | im actually learning a lot about graphic editting and stuff using gimp as well as a few tips on how to skin blizz frames(merchant etc) |
| 09:28.07 | art3mis | Nargiddley: nice crisp look to the uf's |
| 09:29.21 | Corgan | whats the script command for finding the name of a frame on mouseover? |
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| 09:29.35 | Corgan | I always forget it :( |
| 09:29.45 | art3mis | you should macro it ;) |
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| 09:29.53 | Corgan | I should. |
| 09:29.57 | Corgan | oh, nvm i got it |
| 09:30.06 | art3mis | way to go billy! |
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| 09:36.26 | CIA-22 | 03ominous * r48420 10ClassTimer/ClassTimer.lua: ClassTimer: oops fixed errors, i think, drycoded |
| 09:38.25 | Cartas | Xinhuan! As if this macro was doing too much or was too complex... |
| 09:38.33 | Cartas | Good job I didn't listen to you! ;) |
| 09:39.53 | Xinhuan | show me the macro :) |
| 09:42.09 | Cartas | Okay :D |
| 09:42.18 | Cartas | Sorry in advance if it spams too much :D |
| 09:42.25 | Cartas | /script C = UseContainerItem; |
| 09:42.27 | Cartas | /script P = PickupContainerItem; |
| 09:42.30 | Cartas | /script PickupInventoryItem(17); |
| 09:42.31 | Cartas | /script P(4,2); |
| 09:42.34 | Cartas | /script C(4,1); |
| 09:42.35 | Cartas | /script C(4,2); |
| 09:42.38 | Cartas | See, simple. |
| 09:42.41 | [Ammo] | use pastey |
| 09:42.44 | NightHawkTheSane | you could shorten that |
| 09:42.44 | [Ammo] | spammer |
| 09:42.45 | NightHawkTheSane | by a lot |
| 09:42.55 | Cartas | Oh [Ammo]! |
| 09:43.00 | Cartas | How thou doth mocketh me. |
| 09:43.05 | Corgan | so.. |
| 09:43.08 | Corgan | quick question |
| 09:43.12 | Ominous | Cartas: you dont need the ; |
| 09:43.16 | Cartas | Oh? |
| 09:43.27 | Corgan | How do you hide a frame using a /script command? |
| 09:43.35 | Ominous | Corgan: frame:Hide() |
| 09:43.39 | Corgan | aha! |
| 09:43.40 | Corgan | lol |
| 09:43.44 | Cartas | I saw it on some macros and thought it was similar to java or something, Ominous... but it's not like that in LUA? |
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| 09:43.54 | Ominous | Cartas: nope |
| 09:43.57 | Cartas | Okay, thanks! |
| 09:44.18 | Xinhuan | Cartas: can't you just chain all 6 /script commands together into a single /script? |
| 09:44.25 | Cartas | I don't know how to do that. |
| 09:44.28 | NightHawkTheSane | semicolons |
| 09:44.45 | Cartas | I thought the ; was used for the 'ELSE' in an 'IF' statement. |
| 09:44.48 | Xinhuan | /script C = UseContainerItem; P = PickupContainerItem; PickupInventoryItem(17); P(4,2); C(4,1); C(4,2); |
| 09:44.49 | Xinhuan | like that |
| 09:44.50 | Cartas | Hm, can you rewrite it for me, perhaps? |
| 09:44.51 | Nargiddley | [21:42:25] [Cartas] /script C = UseContainerItem; |
| 09:44.52 | Xinhuan | all 6 in one line |
| 09:44.52 | Cartas | Oh, thanks old chap! |
| 09:44.53 | Nargiddley | [21:42:27] [Cartas] /script P = PickupContainerItem; |
| 09:44.55 | Nargiddley | [21:42:29] [Cartas] /script PickupInventoryItem(17); |
| 09:44.57 | Nargiddley | [21:42:31] [Cartas] /script P(4,2); |
| 09:44.59 | Nargiddley | [21:42:33] [Cartas] /script C(4,1); |
| 09:45.01 | Nargiddley | [21:42:35] [Cartas] /script C(4,2); |
| 09:45.01 | Nargiddley | wtf :/ |
| 09:45.10 | Ominous | using hydrairc Nargiddley ? |
| 09:45.25 | Cartas | Thanks Xinhuan, old chap! |
| 09:45.31 | Cartas | It wasn't that complex a macro after all, eh? :p |
| 09:45.39 | Nargiddley | no, synergy isnt bringing the clipboard across :/ |
| 09:45.42 | NightHawkTheSane | more complex than it needs to be :P |
| 09:45.46 | Cartas | Still? |
| 09:45.59 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, if you just had a non-idiotic bag addon. ;) |
| 09:46.14 | Cartas | I don't want some addon to change how my bags have worked since beta :P |
| 09:47.17 | Cartas | and it doesn't always put stuff in the same place anyway, right, NightHawkTheSane? |
| 09:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | why would it matter? |
| 09:47.41 | Cartas | Because I want to know where a specific item is. |
| 09:47.46 | NightHawkTheSane | but why? |
| 09:47.46 | Cartas | To make using it a lot simpler :P |
| 09:47.59 | NightHawkTheSane | the thing is, where things are in your bags is purely an academic question |
| 09:48.07 | Nargiddley | my items are always in the same place, no matter where in the bags they end up |
| 09:48.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Ultimately, it has no relation to your ability to access them efficiantly |
| 09:48.38 | Cartas | Let's say I wanted to equip a weapon, you think it would be quicker to open my bags, find the weapon, then right-click it, then use this addon to resort my bags because the 1h and shield have been put somewhere in my bags... |
| 09:48.39 | the-golem | hmm |
| 09:48.45 | the-golem | thats debateable |
| 09:48.49 | Cartas | Then for me to just tap 'y' and my macro will switch items? |
| 09:48.52 | the-golem | if you know exactly what bag its in |
| 09:48.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Cartas: macro /equip <weapon name> |
| 09:48.54 | Cartas | I'm not so sure, NightHawkTheSane |
| 09:49.00 | haste | local C, P = UseContainerItem, PickupContainerItem PickupInventoryItem(17) P(4,2) C(4,1) C(4,2 |
| 09:49.03 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.22 | NightHawkTheSane | or, if you want to be fancy, use closetgnome/itemrack/outfitter, make a set, and hotkey that |
| 09:49.38 | Cartas | No need for an addon when I can do it just as well, if not better. |
| 09:49.52 | NightHawkTheSane | except that your macro will break if something isn't where you expect it to be |
| 09:49.57 | Cartas | But it always is. |
| 09:50.06 | NightHawkTheSane | nothing is "always" anything |
| 09:50.31 | Cartas | My hearthstone has been in (0,1) since I moved it right after making my char... |
| 09:50.39 | Cartas | That's good enough for me, at least :p |
| 09:50.41 | NightHawkTheSane | it just seems silly to me to build an entire inventory management system on a very specific layout of items within a bag. |
| 09:50.46 | the-golem | bah |
| 09:50.55 | the-golem | i could care less where my hearthstone is in my bags |
| 09:51.03 | the-golem | i have it on an actionbar, off to the side |
| 09:51.08 | the-golem | less clicks ^^ |
| 09:51.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, more or less. I've got it on an autobar slot |
| 09:51.50 | Cartas | Hm |
| 09:51.53 | Cartas | Do you click it, the-golem? |
| 09:52.12 | NightHawkTheSane | .. who hotkeys a hearthstone, aside from pallies? :P |
| 09:52.14 | the-golem | yeah |
| 09:52.19 | Cartas | So it's still one click. |
| 09:52.21 | Cartas | Same as me. |
| 09:52.24 | the-golem | hmm |
| 09:52.36 | the-golem | *shrug* |
| 09:52.39 | NightHawkTheSane | unless you play with your bags open, you've got two actions |
| 09:53.08 | the-golem | why make a silly macro that activates an item in a specific slot, when you can just trag that item to an actionbar spot |
| 09:53.09 | Cartas | Yeh :) |
| 09:53.26 | Cartas | Well... |
| 09:53.26 | NightHawkTheSane | especially if its something your going to use no more than once an hour :P |
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| 09:53.40 | Cartas | You can't drag your 2hander and 1h and shield on the same slot. |
| 09:53.41 | Xinhuan | i use my hearthstone at most twice a day lol! |
| 09:53.58 | the-golem | bah |
| 09:54.21 | the-golem | i dont swap weapons |
| 09:54.31 | NightHawkTheSane | I use itemrack to swap gear. *shrugs* |
| 09:54.31 | the-golem | i tank too much |
| 09:54.32 | Cartas | Ah :D |
| 09:55.05 | Cartas | I'm on my level 42 gnome atm, the-golem! Hehe. |
| 09:55.09 | Cartas | Not so much tanking to be done :D |
| 09:55.21 | the-golem | i swapped out specs to dps/solo for once, and that day i got whored into kara and i've been doing it every day since |
| 09:55.30 | the-golem | well |
| 09:55.31 | Cartas | lol |
| 09:55.33 | the-golem | the next day erally |
| 09:55.35 | the-golem | really* |
| 09:55.38 | Cartas | Tanking is really fun though, IMO, at least. |
| 09:56.51 | Cartas | I did try ItemRack, NightHawkTheSane... |
| 09:57.01 | Cartas | But, messy bags just... argh, get so on my nerves for some unknown reason. |
| 09:57.11 | the-golem | funny |
| 09:57.14 | NightHawkTheSane | thats why you use an addon that deals with it for you :) |
| 09:57.22 | Cartas | I've tried the addons also. |
| 09:57.22 | the-golem | i used ClosetGnome to switch gear |
| 09:57.38 | Cartas | I have a macro that changes from all my PvP armour -> tanking armour. |
| 09:57.40 | the-golem | and the swapped gear gets replaced slot for slot in the bags |
| 09:57.43 | Cartas | and back again. |
| 09:57.58 | Cartas | I have a macro for switching my rings and trinkets also. From PvP to tanking :p |
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| 09:58.50 | Cartas | But it seems I don't have to have /script on every single action... hm! |
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| 10:06.11 | CIA-22 | 03adelea * r48421 10ClassTimer/ClassTimer.lua: ClassTimer: Fixed 0-length desc error |
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| 10:07.20 | the-golem | whos got a widescreen? |
| 10:07.26 | the-golem | any suggestions/ |
| 10:07.31 | the-golem | ? |
| 10:07.39 | Corgan | I have a... |
| 10:07.48 | Corgan | SyncMaster 215tw |
| 10:08.15 | Corgan | 1680x1050 native resolution |
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| 10:10.07 | CIA-22 | 03celellach * r48422 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 10:10.07 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 10:10.07 | CIA-22 | - Small fixes and reordering |
| 10:10.46 | Cheads | I have a syncmaster 226bw .. very cheap and very good to the price |
| 10:11.00 | Cheads | 1680x1050 too |
| 10:11.15 | Nargiddley | i've got an acer 22", 1680x1050 |
| 10:11.39 | Nargiddley | its what i could get cheap through work, dunno how it compares to others but i've had no problems |
| 10:12.14 | Cartas | LG L203WT, also 1680*1050! Amazing superb :) |
| 10:12.24 | Cartas | Amazingly*, I mean. |
| 10:12.35 | Nargiddley | AL2223W is the model of mine |
| 10:12.58 | Cartas | The L203WT has the best colours I've seen on a monitor, tbh! :o |
| 10:13.19 | Corgan | updated UI yay |
| 10:13.19 | Corgan | http://www.streedo.com/UI.jpg |
| 10:13.41 | Cartas | What's the green sqare at the top? |
| 10:13.50 | Corgan | decursive |
| 10:14.00 | Cartas | :o |
| 10:14.23 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/Signum.png what's the green square in this one? ;)) |
| 10:14.31 | Cartas | Mikma! |
| 10:14.46 | Cartas | It's obviously some kind of Windows advertisement. |
| 10:14.56 | mikma | hmm, maybe |
| 10:14.58 | Cartas | lol |
| 10:15.04 | CIA-22 | 03celellach * r48423 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/ (BattlegroundPvP.en.lua sets.en.lua): |
| 10:15.05 | CIA-22 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 10:15.05 | CIA-22 | - Small reordering |
| 10:15.11 | the-golem | holy fuck |
| 10:15.23 | the-golem | lotro already hax 4m players |
| 10:15.26 | the-golem | has* |
| 10:15.41 | the-golem | s/players/characters |
| 10:15.50 | mikma | well i give you a hint.. magic, curse, poison, disease ;) |
| 10:15.52 | Punkie` | oh that's different :P |
| 10:16.02 | Cartas | Okay, okay... |
| 10:16.18 | Cartas | Let's see... when the character is posioned, for added realism, they start hallucinating. |
| 10:16.39 | mikma | what a nice idea |
| 10:16.50 | Cartas | Why thank you. |
| 10:16.54 | Cartas | Are you going to make that your next addon? |
| 10:17.08 | Cartas | MikmaPosionRealism... MPR. |
| 10:17.12 | mikma | hehe |
| 10:17.21 | mikma | well i can use Signum's code for that one |
| 10:17.35 | Cartas | You owe me the royalities you get when it makes you rich! |
| 10:17.37 | mikma | all i need is pokemn pictures and such to create nice hallucinations |
| 10:17.39 | the-golem | lol |
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| 10:19.02 | Cartas | You could integrate it with MSBT. |
| 10:19.14 | Cartas | Pokemon fly out in a rainbow pattern when you're posioned then. |
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| 10:21.15 | ckknight | Mad Men is good |
| 10:21.32 | ckknight | I like what the women wear during that time |
| 10:24.26 | Fisker- | wow |
| 10:24.27 | Fisker- | world first |
| 10:24.35 | Fisker- | single player game that doesn't even last 3 hours |
| 10:25.09 | ckknight | ? |
| 10:25.22 | ckknight | I can finish Super Mario World in 2 hours |
| 10:25.24 | ckknight | all 96 levels |
| 10:25.27 | Fisker- | ;( |
| 10:25.47 | Fisker- | could probably complete MoH quicker than that too :P |
| 10:25.55 | ckknight | MoH? |
| 10:26.43 | Fisker- | Medal of Honor |
| 10:26.45 | Fisker- | Airborne |
| 10:27.00 | ckknight | I haven't done FPSes in a while |
| 10:28.47 | Fisker- | Good idea, shitty executed :P |
| 10:29.08 | the-golem | lol |
| 10:29.15 | the-golem | Fisker-: play TNMT |
| 10:29.17 | Fisker- | you have 6 levels and the idea is then that you replay them to unlock medals |
| 10:29.21 | the-golem | its like half an hour |
| 10:29.30 | Fisker- | do special parachute jumps etc. |
| 10:29.32 | the-golem | not really, but its abysmally low |
| 10:30.02 | the-golem | Fisker-: thats silly, i dont like replaying shit to unlock things |
| 10:32.22 | Fisker- | you don't really unlock anything |
| 10:32.30 | Fisker- | which atleast would've been something |
| 10:32.37 | Fisker- | all you get is this shitty medal in your campaign screen |
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| 10:43.36 | orionshock | god brain hurts trying to do math... |
| 10:44.24 | Elkano | why? math is fun... |
| 10:45.14 | Fisker- | not if your brain is hurting |
| 10:47.51 | Nickenyfiken | haha |
| 10:49.13 | orionshock | ok i need a reality check with my math here... |
| 10:49.23 | orionshock | anyone wana take a crack at it? |
| 10:49.27 | ramoz | anyone know what build the PTR is at= |
| 10:49.55 | ramoz | i've patched up to 7214 now |
| 10:50.27 | Elkano | orionshock, give it a try ^^ |
| 10:50.55 | orionshock | ok , im working with the Capture bar for world pvp objectives / EotS towers |
| 10:51.18 | orionshock | now, the bar works from right to left, right being 0 and left being 100 |
| 10:51.48 | orionshock | now , we don't care about our own faction cap %, but we do care about the other faction's |
| 10:51.54 | orionshock | so.. knowing that |
| 10:52.23 | orionshock | and how much of the bar is neutral in the same 0-100 scale |
| 10:52.43 | orionshock | Alliance Lef tTo Cap = (position - (100 - neutralPercent)/2)) |
| 10:52.59 | orionshock | and Horde Left To Cap = (position + 100) - (100 - neutralPercent)/2)) |
| 10:53.27 | orionshock | alliance is left and horde is right |
| 10:55.05 | Elkano | so you have 100 in total where x is alliance and another x is horde and the rest is neutral? |
| 10:56.28 | orionshock | right |
| 10:56.48 | orionshock | but netrual is a % of the total, the remaining is devided between the 2 factions evenly |
| 10:57.30 | CIA-22 | 03candykiss * r48424 10Cartographer_QuestInfo/ (QuestData-A.lua QuestData-C.lua QuestData-H.lua): |
| 10:57.30 | CIA-22 | Cartographer_QuestInfo: |
| 10:57.30 | CIA-22 | - Quest database updated |
| 10:58.01 | Elkano | how about taking 50 as your refernce point? |
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| 10:58.15 | orionshock | for? |
| 10:58.36 | Nickenyfiken | Hmm is QuestInfo a new Carto module? |
| 10:58.57 | Nickenyfiken | Yeah the others are Quests and QuestObjectives |
| 10:59.02 | Elkano | so 50 + 50*neutrl% is one mark and 50 - 50*neutral% the other |
| 10:59.20 | Elkano | or am I wrong? |
| 10:59.47 | orionshock | no netural is represented as a bar % |
| 11:00.00 | CIA-22 | 03nargiddley * r48425 10Baggins/Baggins.toc: Baggins: Add esES to toc |
| 11:00.11 | orionshock | so if the position is 75, and the netural is 80, then the alliance have 5% left to cap |
| 11:00.17 | Elkano | yes but 100*n% = 2x so 5*n% = x |
| 11:00.23 | Elkano | ...50*n% |
| 11:01.43 | Elkano | or rather 100*n% = 100-2x and thus 50*n% = 50-x where x is the faction part for either alliance or horde |
| 11:02.13 | orionshock | Elkano: u in game atm? |
| 11:02.26 | Elkano | no and not capable of going in |
| 11:02.34 | orionshock | humm.. |
| 11:03.26 | Nickenyfiken | Hmm m |
| 11:03.27 | orionshock | the faction cap range is 100-netual |
| 11:03.32 | orionshock | the faction cap range is 100-netual / 2 |
| 11:03.34 | Nickenyfiken | Mages should go Scryer right? |
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| 11:04.17 | orionshock | ok , so A % to cap is always netural + faction cap range is |
| 11:05.11 | orionshock | and it's the same for horde but our numbers are reversed |
| 11:05.29 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:08.41 | Elkano | well, as you said the faction cap range is 100-neutral / 2 = 100 - (100*n%) /2 = 50 - 50*n% |
| 11:10.04 | Elkano | so one faction has |is-x| and on faction has |is-(100-x)| left to cap |
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| 11:11.34 | orionshock | gona have to stupidify that for me |
| 11:12.09 | CIA-22 | 03gagorian * r48426 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: |
| 11:12.10 | CIA-22 | DrDamage: |
| 11:12.10 | CIA-22 | - Nurfed fix? |
| 11:12.53 | orionshock | .. ok i think i just found it.. |
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| 11:17.30 | orionshock | ALeftToCap = (totalcap*value)/100 |
| 11:17.58 | Corgan | So, who thinks that the sporeggar tabard is awesome? |
| 11:17.59 | orionshock | fractions FTW, value is to 100 as % to cap is to total cap |
| 11:18.18 | Corgan | and is worth grinding to exalted |
| 11:19.41 | Gagorian | If you think grinding to exalted for just a tabard is worth it you clearly have too much time on your hands :p |
| 11:19.49 | Corgan | :D |
| 11:19.51 | Corgan | I did it. |
| 11:19.51 | Corgan | :( |
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| 11:27.30 | sica | is there anything more important than tabards in WoW? |
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| 11:27.35 | sica | I don't think so |
| 11:28.35 | Elkano | there is: weapon glow |
| 11:29.02 | syeren | I think so, I mean everyone knows. |
| 11:29.08 | syeren | Your Shoulders = Your character :P |
| 11:29.35 | Corgan | shoulders are the defining characteristic of your char |
| 11:29.43 | Corgan | shoulders, tabard, and weapon |
| 11:29.44 | Corgan | s |
| 11:29.46 | Elkano | so you do play an orc and are happy that 2.2 will finaly allow you to compansate for lack of size in other places again? |
| 11:29.57 | syeren | I do not. |
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| 11:30.19 | syeren | http://fabrikate.org/store/WoWScrnShot_081607_151903.jpg |
| 11:30.23 | syeren | Is my character. |
| 11:38.53 | mort | female dwarf, nice :) |
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| 11:42.05 | charon | i met a woman at a guild RL meeting who, compared to my average "human" size, had precisely the figure of her female dwarf priest. hilarious |
| 11:42.30 | Punkie` | harsh but probably funny |
| 11:44.17 | TNSe | did you get fear warded? |
| 11:44.52 | charon | hehe |
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| 11:47.12 | Fisker- | iCame |
| 11:47.27 | orionshock | .. what's this mean? |
| 11:47.29 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.02 | Nargiddley | sounds like you're trying to hook CaptureBar_Update:CaptureBar_Update() |
| 11:48.39 | Nargiddley | check the parameters to the hook call |
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| 11:49.44 | orionshock | CapBarStat:SecureHook("CaptureBar_Update") |
| 11:50.40 | Nargiddley | you dont have a function CapBarStat:CaptureBar_Update then |
| 11:51.36 | orionshock | i swear i do |
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| 11:52.26 | orionshock | ok it might have been spelt wrong |
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| 11:57.54 | orionshock | ok it hooks but my func don't work :( |
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| 12:05.36 | Silviu- | mhm |
| 12:05.40 | Silviu- | need quick help |
| 12:05.56 | Silviu- | How to add an "+" or a pause between fps and mem in display |
| 12:05.58 | Silviu- | in this line |
| 12:05.59 | Silviu- | TextValue2:SetText("|cffececec"..sfps.."|cffececec"..floor(mem / 1024).."mb|r|cffffea00+|r|cffececec"..lag.."ms|r") |
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| 12:06.39 | Gagorian | .."+".. |
| 12:06.40 | Gagorian | ? |
| 12:06.51 | Silviu- | oh |
| 12:06.53 | Silviu- | let me see |
| 12:07.21 | Nargiddley | just put it here : sfps.."+|cffe |
| 12:07.29 | Gagorian | myes |
| 12:08.34 | Silviu- | TextValue2:SetText("|cffececec"..sfps.."+|cffe""|cffececec"..floor(mem / 1024).."mb|r|cffffea00+|r|cffececec"..lag.."ms|r") |
| 12:08.36 | Silviu- | So ? |
| 12:08.39 | Silviu- | Mhm errors |
| 12:09.16 | Nargiddley | nope, only add the + |
| 12:09.25 | Nargiddley | TextValue2:SetText("|cffececec"..sfps.."+|cffececec"..floor(mem / 1024).."mb|r|cffffea00+|r|cffececec"..lag.."ms|r") |
| 12:09.49 | Nargiddley | the |cff is the start of a color code |
| 12:10.00 | Silviu- | Nargiddley thx :D |
| 12:10.10 | Nargiddley | was just giving the surroudings for where to put it |
| 12:10.28 | Silviu- | Nargiddley can u tell me how to make that + yellow like the second ? ;) |
| 12:10.49 | Nargiddley | put |cffffea00 before it |
| 12:11.18 | Silviu- | yayaya |
| 12:11.18 | Silviu- | :D |
| 12:11.42 | Silviu- | Thx <3 |
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| 12:11.58 | Silviu- | http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot090807151121lz6.jpg |
| 12:12.01 | Silviu- | Near minimap |
| 12:12.01 | Silviu- | :P |
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| 12:42.38 | Silviu- | ~api |
| 12:42.43 | Silviu- | ~wowapi |
| 12:42.44 | purl | (.*?) http://www.wowwiki.com/API_$1 |
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| 12:49.53 | syeren | Xinhuan, WoWEquip is fucking amazing man. |
| 12:49.54 | syeren | Good work :) |
| 12:49.59 | Xinhuan | hi :) |
| 12:50.03 | syeren | Just need one thing though :p |
| 12:50.16 | syeren | It doesn't do set bonuses on test equipment >_< |
| 12:50.21 | Xinhuan | it does |
| 12:50.28 | syeren | Well it didn't do it for my priest O_o; |
| 12:50.29 | Xinhuan | it just dosen't highlight on the tooltip |
| 12:50.43 | Xinhuan | because the tooltips are generated based on what YOU are currently wearing |
| 12:50.46 | Xinhuan | not what is in wowequip |
| 12:50.57 | syeren | Xinhuan, it doesn't add the bonus to the accumalated stats :p |
| 12:51.02 | Xinhuan | it does |
| 12:51.03 | Xinhuan | check again |
| 12:51.11 | Xinhuan | or tell me which set it isn't adding |
| 12:51.11 | syeren | If I was to go 3/5 and 2/5, I would have 508 resilience. |
| 12:51.28 | syeren | Merciless Gladiator's Satin. |
| 12:51.29 | Xinhuan | it should add both sets properly |
| 12:52.16 | syeren | Well it isn't :p |
| 12:52.20 | syeren | I can give a screenshot if you want :p |
| 12:52.21 | Xinhuan | because i wear 3/5 and 2/5 myself and its working T_T |
| 12:52.46 | syeren | Want the screenshot or :P? |
| 12:52.47 | Xinhuan | hold on |
| 12:52.51 | Xinhuan | killing curator lol |
| 12:54.16 | syeren | http://fabrikate.org/store/WoWScrnShot_090807_134518.jpg |
| 12:54.19 | syeren | When you're available :) |
| 12:54.45 | Xinhuan | which realm are you on? |
| 12:54.55 | syeren | Dentarg. |
| 12:55.10 | Xinhuan | and is that a hypothetical set, or something youre actually wearing? :) |
| 12:55.26 | syeren | Nah, I have 4k arena points, considering buying some extra gear too ;p |
| 12:55.30 | syeren | It's my actual set though. |
| 12:55.40 | Xinhuan | anyway, the set bonus that isn't adding is Merciless Gladiator's Satin and not the s1 one? |
| 12:55.55 | syeren | Yup. |
| 12:55.59 | Xinhuan | can you see if the s1 set is added properly |
| 12:56.07 | syeren | Satin or Mooncloth? |
| 12:56.24 | Xinhuan | well you're wearing 3/5 and 2/5 right? |
| 12:56.31 | Xinhuan | is it the 3/5 set or the 2/5 set that isn't adding the bonus |
| 12:56.46 | syeren | It isn't adding it again. |
| 12:56.47 | syeren | How weird. |
| 12:56.53 | syeren | The 2/5 I imagine. |
| 12:56.55 | Xinhuan | reload your UI |
| 12:57.05 | Xinhuan | could be tooltip parsing error cached |
| 12:59.27 | syeren | Okay. |
| 12:59.30 | syeren | It's adding the bonus. |
| 13:00.04 | syeren | But it's forgetting my base stats. |
| 13:00.04 | syeren | I got from 475 resilience, to 473 with 2 part Satin. |
| 13:00.04 | syeren | If I take one of the satin off and put on Season 1, which has more resilience. |
| 13:00.10 | syeren | I lose 32 resilience. |
| 13:00.20 | Xinhuan | base stats? |
| 13:00.45 | syeren | Well if you have 475 resilience, and then when you equip satin you have 474 resilience before bonus is applied... |
| 13:00.56 | syeren | And it's giving me a read out of 473 total :p |
| 13:00.57 | syeren | Yeah. |
| 13:01.25 | Xinhuan | sounds confusing |
| 13:01.33 | syeren | It's doing the bonus, but it's like it's forgetting to apply the resilience from one of the slots if you understand me. |
| 13:01.33 | Xinhuan | if you will be online for the next hour |
| 13:01.39 | Xinhuan | i'll hop on your realm |
| 13:01.42 | syeren | Oki. |
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| 13:01.56 | Wogroipl_ | I have a (small) problem with Numen, it doesn't save its position correctly on logout or reload |
| 13:02.01 | Xinhuan | that way i can copy your gear |
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| 13:02.10 | Xinhuan | and then you can link me what you are trying on |
| 13:02.18 | syeren | I might be doing arena though, made a new 5s team yesterday :P |
| 13:02.21 | syeren | Probably not though. |
| 13:02.26 | Xinhuan | but i'm guessing you didn't apply the 15 res chest enchant or something? |
| 13:02.50 | syeren | No, if I was to wear 3/5 and 2/5, you would replace the shoulders and gloves, as that is the least stats lost overall ;p |
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| 13:04.44 | Morghus | Friend of mine "How do I reloadui the ui?"...which is funny enough in itself. Then I reply "/rl". He asks "but doesn't that log me out????" xD |
| 13:06.05 | xyu | \n |
| 13:11.43 | Morghus | Tekkub: Would it be possible to add range-checking to CorkFu? Only thing it's missing \o/ |
| 13:13.14 | Wogroipl_ | looks like the problem with numen not savint position correctly has something to do with scale |
| 13:13.21 | Wogroipl_ | saving* |
| 13:14.13 | Wogroipl_ | If I change the scale back to 1.0 it's exactly where I want it to be |
| 13:16.15 | Wogroipl_ | but if I lower the scale to 0.8 it jumps to the left |
| 13:18.58 | Xinhuan | almost at aran! |
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| 13:22.52 | Mecdemort | Wogroipl_: the x and y are affected by scale changes, you have to adjust for it |
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| 13:36.46 | syeren | Xinhuan, say my name to trigger my IRC when you're ready please. |
| 13:36.54 | Xinhuan | you just trigegred mine ;) |
| 13:37.00 | Xinhuan | wiped on aran |
| 13:37.13 | Xinhuan | cos rogue died 10% CLOS FAILED |
| 13:37.20 | Xinhuan | on explorsin |
| 13:37.25 | Xinhuan | explosion |
| 13:37.35 | Xinhuan | and then hunter d/ced |
| 13:37.37 | Xinhuan | qq |
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| 13:53.18 | Wogroipl_ | Mecdemort: I can't drag it far enough if I want it on the right side of my screen :P |
| 13:53.38 | Mecdemort | what do you mean |
| 13:54.14 | Wogroipl_ | If I change the scale, then move it, and lock it pops back to the right after a reload |
| 13:54.20 | Wogroipl_ | left even |
| 13:54.46 | Industrial | !seen Tuller |
| 13:54.46 | Diao | Tuller!n=chatzill@c-76-27-166-119.hsd1.va.comcast.net was last seen 8 hr 46 min 48 s ago on #wowace |
| 13:54.54 | Industrial | ~seen Tuller |
| 13:54.55 | purl | tuller <n=chatzill@c-76-27-166-119.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9h 27m 13s ago, saying: 'I believe slash commands with tab completion'. |
| 13:55.09 | Wogroipl_ | I edited the savedvariables now, so it works, but I thought I'd mention it |
| 13:55.17 | Mecdemort | which addon? |
| 13:56.43 | Mecdemort | ah numen, ok ill take a look at it |
| 13:57.57 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2a56d954c022f42924062eef60751b8d.jpg |
| 13:58.03 | Industrial | rofl that looks fugly on humans |
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| 14:15.57 | Xinhuan | syeren - ready |
| 14:18.15 | CIA-22 | 03xbeeps * r48427 10HealComm-2.0/HealComm-2.0/HealComm-2.0.lua: |
| 14:18.15 | CIA-22 | HealComm-2.0: |
| 14:18.15 | CIA-22 | - Prevent the HealComm_PlayerStart event from triggering when casting non-heal spells in some cases. |
| 14:18.15 | CIA-22 | - Prevent the HealComm_PlayerUpdate event from triggering when casting non-heal spells in some cases. |
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| 14:19.07 | Xinhuan | syeren? |
| 14:21.49 | Grum | right .. found out what was causing the immense slowdown of my routes addon .. sigh .. garbage collection due to the excessive use of tables |
| 14:22.11 | Grum | i have garbage rates of ~400-500kib/s :p |
| 14:22.36 | Mikk | ouch |
| 14:22.38 | Mikk | fix :P |
| 14:23.08 | Grum | O.o |
| 14:23.15 | Grum | was going to indeed ;D |
| 14:23.16 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 14:23.40 | Grum | seems it wasn't the calculations at all .. eventhough i've found a better method of doing them now |
| 14:27.17 | Grum | making tables for x/y pairs was not a good idea so it seems ;D |
| 14:27.37 | Xinhuan | were you reusing those tables? |
| 14:27.42 | Xinhuan | or just throwing them away and making new tables |
| 14:28.04 | Grum | last |
| 14:28.16 | Xinhuan | reuse the tables and you'll be fine |
| 14:28.22 | Grum | it was rather lame, just so i could write: x[X], x[Y] |
| 14:28.38 | Grum | and hand a to a function in 1 'statement' .. 'x' ... |
| 14:28.50 | Xinhuan | its just a table with 2 entries, so reuse them |
| 14:29.28 | Mikk | reusing tables ain't THAT bloody cheap either |
| 14:29.34 | Grum | i spawn thousands |
| 14:29.55 | Grum | every single calculation was passed back in a new table |
| 14:29.58 | Xinhuan | reusing the same table 1000 times is still cheaper than spawning 1000 tables ~_~ |
| 14:30.08 | Grum | well there is no use for using them |
| 14:30.17 | Grum | next to having slightly more readable code |
| 14:30.48 | Mikk | Xinhuan: you're right. with a VERY tight, local recycler. check http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Lua_object_memory_sizes |
| 14:31.05 | Xinhuan | already read that heh |
| 14:31.29 | Xinhuan | grum is only using a table with 2 entries - a coordinate pair, its a small table |
| 14:31.35 | Mikk | ya |
| 14:31.39 | Mikk | so there'd have been a x2 speedup |
| 14:32.01 | Mikk | which doesn't sound like the solution to "immense slowdown" :P |
| 14:32.24 | Xinhuan | dunno, i offered to help Grum optimize the code yesterday :) |
| 14:33.25 | Xinhuan | he neither declined nor accepted |
| 14:33.36 | Grum | hehe |
| 14:34.12 | Grum | well instead of doing: local X = 1; local Y = 2; point[X] = ..; point[Y] = .. i will just be doing px = ..; py = .. |
| 14:35.03 | Grum | if i fininish this part of the new psuedo crap i'll paste it somewhere |
| 14:35.20 | Xinhuan | sure |
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| 14:36.51 | Fisker- | what's healcomm for? |
| 14:37.43 | Grum | http://dl.dwim.org/~ebroes/pseudo.lua |
| 14:37.49 | Xinhuan | its a library that lets other people in the raid know who is healing who |
| 14:38.03 | Grum | Fisker-: communicate about what you are healing with what kind of heal (think with heal estimate as well) |
| 14:38.06 | Xinhuan | such as who has HoTs ticking and stuff |
| 14:38.15 | Xinhuan | for better healing communication |
| 14:38.29 | Xinhuan | xperl, pitbull(?) and i think grid all support it |
| 14:38.31 | Grum | mostly because you cant see who is being healed or waht the estimated heal will be |
| 14:38.51 | Grum | but Xinhuan .. poke the code if you please |
| 14:38.59 | Xinhuan | ya hold on, looking |
| 14:39.05 | Grum | but its still WiP (symlink to my working copy tbh :D) |
| 14:39.43 | Fisker- | so what about incomingheals and stuff? |
| 14:39.50 | Xinhuan | is that function fully working Grum? |
| 14:39.58 | Grum | no |
| 14:40.03 | Grum | not close |
| 14:40.11 | Grum | let me comment in what still needs to be done |
| 14:40.29 | Xinhuan | it'll be easier if you have a full working copy first, then i can see exactly what can be improved |
| 14:42.44 | Xinhuan | there seems to be quite a number of unnecessary checks |
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| 14:44.51 | CIA-22 | 03sirow 07Sirow * r48428 10Avion/Avion/: |
| 14:44.51 | CIA-22 | Avion: |
| 14:44.51 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.58 | Grum | reload :) |
| 14:45.07 | Grum | not really |
| 14:45.17 | Grum | some stuff just 'cuts away' large pieces of data |
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| 14:45.55 | Fisker- | so anyways what's the relation with incomingheals-lib and healcomm if there is any? |
| 14:46.04 | Grum | dunno tbh |
| 14:46.14 | Grum | but i think incominghealslib tracks what is cast on you at what time |
| 14:46.22 | Grum | and when you can expect which heal-amount |
| 14:46.27 | Xinhuan | from the link, i'm seeing checks on the existance of x and y, but they were already used in previous lines of code |
| 14:46.45 | Xinhuan | and also the existance of "inside" is also checked, but its value is always nil |
| 14:46.49 | Xinhuan | since there is no assignment to it |
| 14:47.06 | Grum | right that is completely true |
| 14:47.17 | Grum | i just pasted that bbox block in |
| 14:47.24 | Grum | it has to be in the if itself as last statement |
| 14:47.26 | Grum | let me fix that |
| 14:48.28 | Grum | reload |
| 14:49.37 | Grum | it's just the rough lines |
| 14:49.45 | Grum | there is also way more 'fiddle' in the real code |
| 14:49.56 | Grum | because i need to check if the line is hidden and if we might want to draw hidden lines etc |
| 14:50.03 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 14:50.19 | CIA-22 | 03sirow * r48429 10Avion/ (85 files in 7 dirs): |
| 14:50.19 | CIA-22 | Avion: Shows visual feedback on determined events. |
| 14:50.19 | CIA-22 | (First update for a long time) |
| 14:50.19 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.19 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.21 | Grum | ;) |
| 14:50.41 | Grum | lots of work! ;D |
| 14:51.00 | Grum | but seriously - i dont know how i can optimize the checking if i want to be able to also cope with the 'random minimap shape' |
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| 14:51.48 | Grum | when any perpendicular point is further than sqrt(2*r*r) then it can *never* create an intersection |
| 14:52.10 | Xinhuan | sqrt(2*r*r) == sqrt(2) * r |
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| 14:52.17 | Grum | yeah |
| 14:52.18 | Xinhuan | which is 1.41r |
| 14:52.22 | Grum | but i dont do sqrts |
| 14:52.44 | Grum | i have dx/dy so ican just do: dx*dx+dy*dy < 2*r*r |
| 14:52.56 | Xinhuan | the code still seems to be missing something |
| 14:53.02 | Xinhuan | local dpx = ? |
| 14:53.08 | Grum | erm yes that is not finished hehe |
| 14:53.12 | Grum | was still typing that |
| 14:53.23 | Xinhuan | just some minor stuff you can improve |
| 14:53.23 | Grum | that would be the distanc from c to the perpendicular point thingie |
| 14:53.29 | Xinhuan | n / d you did that twice |
| 14:53.31 | Grum | but will rewrite that in a sec |
| 14:53.33 | Grum | no they are diff |
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| 14:54.01 | Grum | just 2 letters diff though |
| 14:54.14 | Grum | but that is the way to intersect lines :) |
| 14:54.26 | Grum | with sidenot that d/n can not be 0 or 1 orso |
| 14:54.29 | Grum | but that wont happen |
| 14:54.31 | Xinhuan | look at the place where you defined n, d, px and py |
| 14:54.36 | Xinhuan | there's a lot of repeat calculation there |
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| 14:55.03 | Grum | the comment is wrong |
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| 14:55.14 | TNSe | hahahahahaha |
| 14:55.23 | TNSe | you reminded me of something I did once |
| 14:55.28 | TNSe | I wrote a comment that was wrong |
| 14:55.32 | TNSe | code was correct |
| 14:55.34 | TNSe | but the comment was wrong |
| 14:55.46 | TNSe | so I got a shitload of people commenting on how I had made a mistake |
| 14:55.52 | Grum | well it's not 'wrong' just not 'good' :D |
| 14:55.58 | ag` | how much faster is doing one string.format than a loop doing string = string..arg |
| 14:56.01 | TNSe | its like |
| 14:56.03 | TNSe | the code WORKED |
| 14:56.14 | TNSe | but people complained it was not working because they read the comment :D |
| 14:56.17 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.32 | kenlyric | TNSe: that should fill you with hope that someone read the comments. |
| 14:56.41 | Grum | and with that point i can make 2 lines and *then* intersect them |
| 14:56.45 | TNSe | all my code is always commented |
| 14:56.49 | TNSe | for my own insanity |
| 14:56.53 | Grum | and that is exactly as the code does |
| 14:57.12 | TNSe | sometimes my comments don't make much sense |
| 14:57.34 | TNSe | it makes sense to me when I write it |
| 14:57.38 | TNSe | but when I read it weeks later |
| 14:57.39 | catid | sometimes the comments bicker amongst themselves and wage comment war |
| 14:57.41 | TNSe | it makes very little sense |
| 14:57.44 | TNSe | yeah |
| 14:57.46 | TNSe | and there's that |
| 14:57.54 | TNSe | where you pull internal jokes |
| 14:57.56 | TNSe | in your comments |
| 14:57.59 | TNSe | internal to yourself only |
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| 14:58.20 | TNSe | is that something everyone does or am I damaged :P |
| 14:58.29 | catid | a little of both |
| 14:59.47 | Grum | reload again Xinhuan - looks again more clear ;) |
| 15:00.28 | CIA-22 | 03sirow * r48430 10Avion/: |
| 15:00.28 | CIA-22 | Avion: |
| 15:00.28 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.40 | Grum | and now i have to use like 10 new variables for the circle intersection .. sigh =D |
| 15:01.06 | catid | mind if i look at the code? |
| 15:01.28 | Xinhuan | ya, he has a link |
| 15:01.39 | Xinhuan | http://dl.dwim.org/~ebroes/pseudo.lua |
| 15:01.49 | Grum | circle intersections are wonky |
| 15:01.57 | Xinhuan | if x and y and last_x and last_y and not ( |
| 15:02.02 | Xinhuan | you see the stuff inside the not () ? |
| 15:02.07 | CIA-22 | 03sirow * r48431 10Avion_Aggro/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:02.07 | CIA-22 | Avion_Aggro: |
| 15:02.07 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.16 | CIA-22 | 03xbeeps * r48432 10VisualHeal/VisualHeal.lua: |
| 15:02.16 | CIA-22 | VisualHeal: |
| 15:02.16 | CIA-22 | - Fix the possibility of the heal bar showing when casting certain non-heal spells in rare occasions. |
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| 15:02.21 | Xinhuan | if you can demorgan's law that stuff inside and get rid of the "not" outside |
| 15:02.26 | Xinhuan | you will have less checks |
| 15:02.43 | Xinhuan | i think? |
| 15:02.51 | Xinhuan | not sure |
| 15:03.15 | Sirow | Grum, what kind of mod are you writing? |
| 15:03.18 | Grum | lol that will be hard :D |
| 15:03.24 | Xinhuan | here's another one |
| 15:03.29 | Grum | Sirow: a mode that does this: http://grum.nl/lazy.jpg |
| 15:03.37 | Xinhuan | instead of defining 2 locals, one for n and one for d |
| 15:03.43 | Xinhuan | just define a single local for "n/d" |
| 15:03.47 | Grum | i can do n/d indeed |
| 15:03.54 | Xinhuan | and use that for px and py |
| 15:04.04 | Sirow | nice, it CALCULATES and displays this path? |
| 15:04.42 | Xinhuan | i've done something like that before |
| 15:04.48 | Fisker- | I HATE YOUUUUU |
| 15:04.55 | Xinhuan | i don't actually remember having to need to calculate intersections of anything |
| 15:05.04 | Fisker- | you have forced me to this etc. |
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| 15:05.35 | Grum | Sirow: no |
| 15:05.38 | Grum | it displays it |
| 15:05.48 | Grum | you have to put in the waypoints |
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| 15:06.09 | catid | needs some work at -- calculate intersection point |
| 15:06.11 | Grum | also not it displays it on the minimap |
| 15:06.19 | catid | sx is undefined and it can be simplified a lot |
| 15:06.25 | Sirow | really nice so far :) |
| 15:06.30 | Grum | euh? |
| 15:06.45 | Grum | oh fek it |
| 15:06.47 | Grum | yes lol |
| 15:06.48 | Xinhuan | what method are you using grum? |
| 15:06.51 | Grum | wrong variable names O.o |
| 15:06.53 | Xinhuan | to calculate the "optimal path" |
| 15:06.55 | Grum | gotto be kidding |
| 15:06.58 | Grum | nothing |
| 15:07.04 | Grum | not doing anything like that |
| 15:07.11 | Grum | this is just drawing |
| 15:07.17 | catid | dijkstra's algorithm |
| 15:07.19 | Grum | you have to put in the waypoints by hand |
| 15:07.42 | Xinhuan | so all that code is just to draw lines from 1 point to the next point? |
| 15:08.07 | catid | yeah |
| 15:08.09 | Xinhuan | why does it need to check for intersections then? |
| 15:08.22 | Xinhuan | i don't get it |
| 15:08.26 | Sirow | hm this looks more like travelling salesman problem, whasn't dijkstra some kind of "shortest path from one point to all others"? |
| 15:08.39 | Xinhuan | ya sirow |
| 15:08.46 | catid | yup |
| 15:08.51 | Xinhuan | dij's algo doesn't solve anything here |
| 15:09.06 | catid | sure it could, if you mapped the problem into the proper space |
| 15:09.25 | Xinhuan | in fact ant algorithms can solve a problem of 5000 nodes in about half a second to near optimal |
| 15:10.05 | Xinhuan | so for something like this which is barely 200 nodes, it'll be near 0.1 seconds to get a near-optimal path |
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| 15:10.36 | Sirow | :D |
| 15:10.51 | Grum | Xinhuan: check the name of the function - interect minimap |
| 15:11.07 | Xinhuan | OH ok |
| 15:11.08 | Grum | well i can make that algorithm later |
| 15:11.14 | Grum | i first need to fix this :) |
| 15:11.15 | catid | those algorithms usually don't have linear dependence on N, and some are better for certain ranges |
| 15:11.17 | Xinhuan | i get it now |
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| 15:11.21 | Grum | :) |
| 15:11.32 | Xinhuan | you are checking for intersection with the boundary of the minimap |
| 15:11.45 | Grum | yup :( |
| 15:11.49 | Grum | which can be round or squarish |
| 15:12.01 | Grum | hard work ;D |
| 15:12.07 | Grum | drawing the lines on the map is like a piss :D |
| 15:12.12 | Grum | that is just looping and drawing ;D |
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| 15:12.26 | catid | can you just let WoW clip it for you and draw off the map? |
| 15:12.30 | Grum | nope |
| 15:12.32 | Grum | cant :( |
| 15:12.41 | Mecdemort | hmm what to do, what to do |
| 15:12.42 | Grum | wow can only clip the minimap-tile-textures |
| 15:12.50 | Grum | and that is buildin and non changable |
| 15:12.53 | Xinhuan | you can, if you use a scrollbox |
| 15:13.00 | Xinhuan | and hide the scroll buttons ;p |
| 15:13.12 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 15:13.24 | Grum | i seriously think his is a better solution ;D |
| 15:13.27 | Xinhuan | in otherwords, what you can do |
| 15:13.33 | Xinhuan | is to use a big layer |
| 15:13.39 | Xinhuan | and draw it out in full |
| 15:13.47 | CIA-22 | 03sirow * r48433 10Avion/: |
| 15:13.47 | CIA-22 | Avion: |
| 15:13.47 | CIA-22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.49 | Xinhuan | and somehow scroll this layer in a box as an overlay on the minimap |
| 15:13.55 | Grum | because for that you would need so many scrollboxes to approximate the 'roundness' - and you have to calculate intersections with *each* of that scrollboxes ;D |
| 15:13.55 | Xinhuan | then you don't have to redraw anything |
| 15:14.02 | Xinhuan | get what i'm suggesting? |
| 15:14.20 | Grum | hmm yes but then i have as many 'drawings' as i have scrollboxes |
| 15:14.29 | catid | an addon that can predict when an outdoor mob will respawn would be nice |
| 15:14.30 | Xinhuan | scrollboxes are rectangle |
| 15:14.37 | Grum | which will be a lot because i will just settle for perfect |
| 15:14.45 | CIA-22 | 03sirow * r48434 10Avion_Aggro/: |
| 15:14.45 | CIA-22 | Avion_Aggro: |
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| 15:14.53 | Xinhuan | no, i'm not saying you use 1 scrollbox per line |
| 15:15.00 | Xinhuan | i'm saying you use 1 scrollbox for all 100 lines |
| 15:15.04 | Xinhuan | and scroll the contents of this box |
| 15:15.12 | Grum | yes and to make a rectangle round means making loads of slices:P |
| 15:15.23 | Grum | you can really make a scrollbox round? |
| 15:15.31 | Grum | and have a texture in the back? |
| 15:15.41 | Xinhuan | not sure... hmm. |
| 15:15.42 | Grum | which gets automaticly clipped |
| 15:16.16 | Xinhuan | for now it seems like your current method is the better way |
| 15:16.48 | Grum | i can cut away about 90% of the 'regularlines' within 10 operations orso |
| 15:16.57 | Grum | which is just what i need :) |
| 15:17.09 | Grum | because normally with boundingbox checks you wont get much info |
| 15:17.16 | catid | hey grum, xin, is there some way to track outdoor mobs spawn times? or is that completely random? |
| 15:17.27 | Xinhuan | its usually random |
| 15:17.41 | Grum | depends on area, mob and it has a bit of randomness as well |
| 15:17.55 | Xinhuan | many spawn in multiple possible locations too |
| 15:17.59 | Xinhuan | just not very feasible |
| 15:17.59 | Grum | yup |
| 15:18.04 | Grum | some mobs dont |
| 15:18.17 | catid | is there a way to draw 3d objects on the game world? like to put a % chance of respawn at the location where it will return |
| 15:18.19 | Grum | but seriously - are you going to kill them all and see if they spawn in a certain order and remember if that was 'the same' ? :P |
| 15:18.27 | Grum | no |
| 15:18.41 | Grum | not unless you will do massive calculations and draw them on your viewport |
| 15:19.26 | catid | i am good at the simon game.. could do that probably :) |
| 15:19.46 | Grum | well it's not that easy |
| 15:20.04 | Grum | think of having 2-3 mobs walking virtually the same patrol round (But being able to pick a different one) |
| 15:20.10 | Grum | try to track that - could take weeks |
| 15:20.30 | Grum | you could alternatively cheat |
| 15:20.33 | catid | i'd be mainly interested in tracking elemental spawns on elemental plateau and they stand in the same spots.. |
| 15:20.49 | Grum | well try tracking them with timers |
| 15:21.07 | catid | i did that and it seemed random.. like 5-7 minutes |
| 15:21.15 | Grum | what you can do afterwards if you find a pattern - is recoding deaths and death locations |
| 15:21.23 | Grum | *recording |
| 15:21.25 | Grum | 5-7 i hope? |
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| 15:21.52 | Grum | and relate death locations (or first aggro locations) to spawnpoints (hard) |
| 15:21.54 | catid | yeah |
| 15:22.03 | Grum | and then calculate which is likely to get a next spawn |
| 15:22.04 | Xinhuan | why track that anyway? |
| 15:22.11 | Xinhuan | what are you thinking of tracking? |
| 15:22.14 | catid | so i can camp em and kill em first! :) |
| 15:22.15 | Grum | but when you encounter any randomness ... you are fucked |
| 15:22.23 | Grum | catid: grind somewhere else |
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| 15:22.28 | catid | i am =( |
| 15:22.34 | Grum | elemental plateau sucks anyhow |
| 15:23.10 | Sithy_ | plateau rocked before they nerf the dynamic respawn :( |
| 15:23.15 | Grum | any elementals can be farmed way more efficient on another place |
| 15:23.29 | catid | dynamic respawn? |
| 15:23.43 | Grum | for any elemental another type can respawn |
| 15:23.50 | Grum | so you can not just grind 1 type |
| 15:24.07 | Grum | you have to kill them all - it's like fishing schools |
| 15:24.15 | catid | ugh |
| 15:24.27 | Grum | so grinding them in another spot is *way* better :D |
| 15:24.39 | catid | i like SMV's fel pits |
| 15:24.41 | Grum | you are likely grinding fires right? |
| 15:24.49 | catid | yeah i need a few more for bracer enchant |
| 15:24.57 | Grum | well middle of SMV is good |
| 15:25.01 | Sithy_ | When I was grinding my primal for tailored gear like 3 or 4 weeks after BC came out, the water area up there you could just do circles without stopping. |
| 15:25.03 | Grum | but also the NE of Blades Edge |
| 15:25.25 | Grum | around halaa in nagrand |
| 15:25.28 | Grum | yup |
| 15:25.57 | Grum | that and North in smv, skettis and the pond near Shatt (east) are ok spots for water |
| 15:26.13 | Grum | of which i prefer the smv spot :) |
| 15:26.23 | catid | same here |
| 15:26.28 | Sithy_ | yeah not many think about those in SMV |
| 15:26.46 | catid | know of any good mods for helping my guild with the lady Vashj fight? |
| 15:27.06 | catid | we're going to do some serious attempts all day tomorrow and any advantage would be nice |
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| 15:28.41 | JoshBorke | catid: BigWigs |
| 15:28.48 | JoshBorke | catid: Deadly Boss Mods |
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| 15:30.38 | catid | can you use both or just one or the other? i think everyone uses BigWigs right now |
| 15:31.48 | ulic | I wouldn't use two, you'd get double things |
| 15:32.09 | catid | alright |
| 15:32.14 | Mecdemort | does buffalo2 by chance let you place your targets buffs/debuffs wherever you want? |
| 15:32.25 | Chompers | Fisker- |
| 15:32.29 | Chompers | i have an image for you |
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| 15:32.51 | Chompers | http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/elphantasmogoro/bigmac.jpg |
| 15:36.15 | xyu | hmm armory doesn't tell you profession specializations does it? |
| 15:36.26 | xyu | like spellcloth, transmute master, etc. |
| 15:40.34 | catid | how about an addon that will show you the names/classes of the other team in arenas? |
| 15:40.49 | ulic | Proximo |
| 15:40.55 | catid | like if they are hiding but your combat log shows some action.. |
| 15:40.58 | Thrae | catid: SSPVP |
| 15:41.11 | ulic | only if you mouseover it shows them. |
| 15:41.45 | Thrae | catid: Remember you can't get the realm information from the combat log, so it makes sense to wait until you mouseover |
| 15:42.52 | CIA-22 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r48435 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: |
| 15:42.52 | CIA-22 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 15:42.52 | CIA-22 | - don't need 'self' as registry key because we're not a mixin |
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| 15:50.29 | Qaarh | someone able to identify an addon for me? It's in this screenshot: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1599/wowscrnshot090407005211qe1.jpg |
| 15:50.57 | Qaarh | the chat window tabs there |
| 15:51.02 | Qaarh | they look skinned somehow |
| 15:52.35 | Mudkips | tabs for /p /g and /w |
| 15:52.41 | Mudkips | that's stupid |
| 15:52.54 | Awaa | What chatmod is that? |
| 15:53.08 | Aeyan | Probably skinner with a transparent border |
| 15:53.11 | Aeyan | For the chattabs |
| 15:53.43 | Qaarh | Mudkips: do you use separate windows or have everything in the same window? |
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| 15:54.04 | Mudkips | I use everything important in one window |
| 15:54.09 | Mudkips | general and trade on another |
| 15:54.52 | the-golem[away] | i kinda like that |
| 15:54.54 | the-golem[away] | nice and simple |
| 15:55.30 | Mudkips | trade on dark iron can become .... well hectic sometimes |
| 15:55.39 | Qaarh | Mudkips: ok, I have a separate window for each chat, I don't like having everything cluttered... |
| 15:55.44 | Mudkips | like outbreaks of elemental mage staff >_> |
| 15:56.27 | catid | ulic: how do i move the Proximo frame around? |
| 15:56.44 | Punkie` | alt drag? |
| 15:57.03 | catid | arg that's my windowing system's window mover too ^^ |
| 15:57.38 | Fisker- | i hate you Chompers |
| 15:57.41 | ulic | yea, it's alt or shift, or something. |
| 15:57.52 | Chompers | Fisker- lolololol |
| 15:58.01 | Chompers | i saw that picture and thought of you |
| 15:58.23 | Chompers | <B |
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| 16:04.51 | Pkekyo | bought a new benchpress rig yesterday...set it up tonight...first thing I did was to fall asleep on it :P |
| 16:07.17 | syeren | /flex |
| 16:07.21 | syeren | Oh wait ;) |
| 16:10.18 | Pkekyo | honestly, the bench is better to sleep on than my bed O.o |
| 16:11.04 | ramoz | Gagorian: wtb Cannibalize tooltip :P |
| 16:11.19 | CIA-22 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r48437 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: |
| 16:11.19 | CIA-22 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 16:11.19 | CIA-22 | - replace %w's with [%S%P]'s to make word detection work for people using localized characters in nonlocalized clients |
| 16:11.19 | CIA-22 | 03sylvanaar * r48436 10LFGSaver/ (LFGSaver.lua LFGSaver.toc): LFGSaver: Some changes |
| 16:13.32 | sylvanaar | oh and .NET 3.x != .NET 2.x whoever was asking |
| 16:14.00 | sylvanaar | use the zip install, it installs .net 2.0 i think |
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| 16:15.28 | |Stan| | sylvanaar: I heard that 3.5 will fix this |
| 16:15.36 | |Stan| | it will have all the 1.1 2.0 and 3.0 files |
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| 16:16.53 | sylvanaar | maybe |
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| 16:22.25 | Fisker- | oh Hi Punkie` |
| 16:22.30 | Fisker- | what's your charactername and server? |
| 16:22.40 | Fisker- | btw |
| 16:22.42 | Chompers | time to make a level 1 alt eh |
| 16:22.47 | Fisker- | I had a ticket about an item i couldn't disenchant |
| 16:23.12 | Fisker- | I could complete MoH: Airborne before the ticket went from "Serviced soon" to an answer |
| 16:23.22 | Fisker- | Unfortunately that says more about EA than Blizzard |
| 16:23.23 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:23.38 | the-golem | Fisker-: ROFL |
| 16:23.57 | asmodai | Cartographer_QuestObjectives\addon.lua:922: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'numGot' (a string value) |
| 16:24.01 | asmodai | AceEvent-2.0-44693 (FuBar):728: in function <...face\AddOns\FuBar\libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:715> |
| 16:24.04 | asmodai | <in C code>: ? |
| 16:24.06 | asmodai | AceEvent-2.0-44693 (FuBar):363: in function <...face\AddOns\FuBar\libs\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:341> |
| 16:24.15 | asmodai | after I got a faction increase in Desolace, mmm |
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| 16:25.26 | Fisker- | btw Punkie` |
| 16:25.27 | Fisker- | DO IT |
| 16:25.28 | Fisker- | http://i13.tinypic.com/62ihimg.jpg |
| 16:26.02 | Pkekyo | Fisker-: what game? :) |
| 16:27.10 | Chompers | haha |
| 16:27.18 | Chompers | that happened to me in the market garden map |
| 16:27.19 | Fisker- | Medal of Failure: EA at large |
| 16:27.32 | Chompers | this german guy got stuck mid air with his head bobbing about |
| 16:27.39 | Fisker- | I also had one where his neck was like 1 meter long |
| 16:27.46 | Fisker- | because his head was stuck in a fence |
| 16:28.17 | Punkie` | btw why you wanna know my charname and server?!/1! |
| 16:28.23 | *** part/#wowace Keya (n=patrick@xdsl-213-196-225-237.netcologne.de) |
| 16:28.25 | Fisker- | so i can send you my money |
| 16:28.29 | Punkie` | cool |
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| 16:29.06 | Thrae | Punkie`: He also needs your account name and password for that. |
| 16:29.13 | Punkie` | ok |
| 16:29.15 | Punkie` | nice! |
| 16:29.20 | Fisker- | http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=content_stats <-btw you know what this means |
| 16:29.23 | Fisker- | yeah |
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| 16:29.34 | Fisker- | and this is the only time that i(blizzard) will ever request your personal information |
| 16:29.51 | Fisker- | So you should disregard the usual "Blizzard will never ask for your account and password" warnings |
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| 16:30.05 | Mudkips | haha |
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| 16:31.07 | Fisker- | but do it Punkie` |
| 16:31.09 | Fisker- | visit the link |
| 16:31.14 | sylvanaar | what a fantastic graphics card |
| 16:31.36 | Wobin_ | dhttp://www.metacafe.com/watch/805765/how_to_untangle_headphones_using_a_cat/ |
| 16:32.26 | Fisker- | learn2link Wobin_ |
| 16:33.16 | Wobin_ | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/805765/how_to_untangle_headphones_using_a_cat/ |
| 16:33.33 | Fisker- | i think it's a trojan |
| 16:33.36 | Chompers | IN THE CATS BUTTHOLE |
| 16:33.47 | Olison | keylogger! omg someone call 911 |
| 16:33.57 | Fisker- | i use Firefox and i still claim it to be the best browser in the universe, even though i still question the safety of links |
| 16:34.06 | Fisker- | also i'm a huge faggot, please rape me |
| 16:34.14 | Wobin_ | FLOSS THE CAT |
| 16:34.29 | Cartas | What does a comment in LUA begin with? |
| 16:34.38 | the-golem | -- |
| 16:34.45 | Cartas | Thanks old chap! |
| 16:34.48 | the-golem | ;-) |
| 16:35.01 | the-golem | multiline --[[ stuff ]] |
| 16:35.03 | hyperChipmunk | lol floss the cat |
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| 16:37.10 | Fisker- | oh hi Punkie` |
| 16:37.15 | Fisker- | what browser do you use? |
| 16:37.54 | CIA-22 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk 07Alpha * r48438 10Ace3/AceTab-3.0/AceTab-3.0.lua: |
| 16:37.54 | CIA-22 | AceTab-3.0: |
| 16:37.54 | CIA-22 | - Added an optional 'postfunc' parameter, through which matches will be filtered after being identified as such. This should allow, for example, plaintext-to-itemlink conversions on tabpresses. |
| 16:38.06 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 16:39.26 | Wobin_ | ...blasphemy? |
| 16:39.35 | Fisker- | blasphemy |
| 16:39.37 | Wobin_ | You perhaps worship earbuds |
| 16:39.38 | Chompers | euphemism? |
| 16:39.46 | Fisker- | hax |
| 16:39.54 | Wobin_ | even then, it's not blasphemy |
| 16:39.59 | Wobin_ | Cause I don't =P |
| 16:40.28 | Wobin_ | at most, I'm a pagan to your earphone worshipping religion |
| 16:40.37 | Wobin_ | but I can't be blasphemous about it =P |
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| 16:45.29 | Punkie` | Fisker-: I use Opera |
| 16:45.38 | Tuller | well la dee dah :P |
| 16:45.48 | Punkie` | :o |
| 16:46.01 | Punkie` | You don't have to pay for it or anything :P |
| 16:46.48 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 16:46.58 | Wobin_ | have you flossed your cat, cncfanatics? |
| 16:47.25 | Xinhuan | cncfanatics, test my addon :) |
| 16:48.03 | Tuller | I should be using opera again with the alpha, but I need me an adblocker |
| 16:48.18 | Punkie` | it has one built in really |
| 16:48.22 | Tuller | I know that |
| 16:48.36 | Tuller | but I mean for those nasty links :P |
| 16:48.57 | Punkie` | eh? :o |
| 16:49.12 | Pkekyo | http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilde:Hell_norway_sign.jpg |
| 16:49.29 | Tuller | words you hover over that show an ad |
| 16:49.36 | Punkie` | ah yeah |
| 16:49.53 | Punkie` | most of those you can turn off by getting a cookie or something |
| 16:50.43 | Punkie` | such as on the wowace forums |
| 16:50.46 | cncfanatics | busy activating my new celphone atm, botyh |
| 16:51.47 | cncfanatics | they're closed ffs |
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| 16:53.30 | Tuller | yeah I fixed that one |
| 16:54.19 | nevcairiel | i never managed to find that cookie for the wowace page |
| 16:54.23 | nevcairiel | where do i have to click ? :P |
| 16:55.27 | Punkie` | hover one of the adds |
| 16:55.33 | Punkie` | and then click someting on there |
| 16:55.36 | Xinhuan | under what circumstances will GetMouseFocus() return nil? |
| 16:55.41 | Punkie` | like the intellitext or whatever |
| 16:56.16 | Punkie` | Xinhuan: Perhaps when someone is using some sort of viewport type addon? |
| 16:56.23 | Xinhuan | i'm not using any |
| 16:56.24 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 16:56.47 | Punkie` | what are you hovering over? |
| 16:57.03 | Xinhuan | i have a OnLeave on a frame |
| 16:57.10 | Xinhuan | which my mouse is over |
| 16:57.18 | Xinhuan | i close the frame by pressing ESC |
| 16:57.24 | Xinhuan | and the OnLeave fucntion runs |
| 16:57.27 | Xinhuan | GetMouseFocus() returns nil |
| 16:57.32 | Xinhuan | in that function |
| 16:57.33 | Xinhuan | why? |
| 16:58.06 | nevcairiel | its hovering a unnamed frame? |
| 16:58.19 | nevcairiel | ah no, it would still return the frame object, i guess |
| 16:58.22 | Xinhuan | GetMouseFocus() shuld return the frame object |
| 16:58.25 | Xinhuan | regardless of object |
| 16:58.32 | Xinhuan | i mean naming |
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| 16:59.14 | Xinhuan | i mean, i can get around the problem by checking if GetMouseFocus() is nil, but i assumed it would never be nil ~_~ |
| 16:59.32 | charon | Xinhuan: perhaps the frame has already been closed at that point? |
| 17:00.12 | Xinhuan | the mouse would be over WorldFrame then |
| 17:00.12 | Xinhuan | and not return nil |
| 17:00.12 | Xinhuan | (supposedly) |
| 17:00.12 | charon | ah. so that just goes to prove that i had no clue to start with and was guessing ;) |
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| 17:11.05 | Grum | something like: local minimap_x = cx + radius * (x > -x and 1 or -1) - would be legitimate lua right? :P |
| 17:11.29 | cncfanatics | and ? |
| 17:11.31 | cncfanatics | in such a clause ? |
| 17:11.35 | cncfanatics | what would u get with that ? |
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| 17:12.10 | Xinhuan | it means multiply 1, if x is positive |
| 17:12.16 | Xinhuan | multiply -1 if x is negative |
| 17:12.26 | Xinhuan | think it is valid, but unorthodox |
| 17:12.33 | cncfanatics | not clear |
| 17:12.34 | cncfanatics | at all |
| 17:12.39 | cncfanatics | and x > -x and 1 |
| 17:12.43 | cncfanatics | will return x > -x |
| 17:12.49 | cncfanatics | not 1 |
| 17:13.00 | cncfanatics | or works in such a clause because using nil or 1 returns 1 |
| 17:13.00 | Shirik | uhh |
| 17:13.06 | Grum | mmm |
| 17:13.09 | Shirik | cncfanatics... I think you're crazy |
| 17:13.15 | cncfanatics | Shirik, why ? |
| 17:13.18 | Grum | bad way indeed |
| 17:13.18 | cncfanatics | just reasoning :p |
| 17:13.24 | Xinhuan | it wouldn't actually return x > -x, because (true and 1) will return 1 |
| 17:13.27 | Grum | so how to check 'signedness' ? :) |
| 17:13.34 | Shirik | lua> a,b = 1,2; return b > a and 10; |
| 17:13.34 | cladbot | Shirik: 10 |
| 17:13.42 | Xinhuan | so it works |
| 17:13.46 | Xinhuan | just unorthodox |
| 17:13.46 | cncfanatics | hmmm, it does work |
| 17:13.50 | Grum | i could do: (x>0 and 1 or -1) |
| 17:13.52 | Shirik | it's not unorthodox |
| 17:13.53 | cncfanatics | badly readable |
| 17:13.58 | Shirik | it's a perfectly acceptable construct |
| 17:14.05 | Shirik | it's Lua's alternative to C's trinary operator |
| 17:14.07 | Grum | the x>-x is stupid |
| 17:14.13 | Grum | that should just be x>0 |
| 17:14.18 | Grum | also saves an op :D |
| 17:14.27 | Shirik | yeah as far as that... I didn't get why you did that :P |
| 17:14.29 | Shirik | but it's legal |
| 17:14.38 | Shirik | it actually saves 2 |
| 17:14.39 | charon | Grum: might also want to watch out for the sign of 0.... which depends on your definition |
| 17:14.47 | Grum | with x > 0 it makes it much more clear that it's a 'positive or negative' test |
| 17:14.57 | Xinhuan | x would never be 0 in his case hehe |
| 17:15.01 | Grum | charon: look at the calculation - doesn't matter :) |
| 17:15.07 | Grum | mmm true |
| 17:15.12 | Grum | do i care? no |
| 17:15.15 | cncfanatics | x > 0 would return 1 in his case |
| 17:15.15 | Grum | hmmm |
| 17:15.16 | Grum | i might |
| 17:15.22 | cncfanatics | -1* |
| 17:15.31 | Grum | hmm |
| 17:15.38 | Grum | *head hurts8 |
| 17:15.47 | Grum | too much draw-math without actually drawing anything yet |
| 17:16.19 | Pkekyo | "I'm going to try to see if I can remember as much to make it sound like I'm smart on the subject." --George W. Bush |
| 17:16.19 | Pkekyo | ftw |
| 17:16.30 | Grum | hehe |
| 17:16.51 | Grum | ok problem is - when calculating line-square intersections it's very easy if you know which lines to intersect |
| 17:17.17 | Xinhuan | go on |
| 17:17.19 | Grum | which are basically the lines where x=.. and y=.. where those values represent the corner of the 'negative' direction in the square |
| 17:17.32 | Grum | i have to draw that :D |
| 17:17.44 | Grum | give me scribblepad somewhere O>o |
| 17:17.57 | Xinhuan | try uh whats that website |
| 17:18.07 | Grum | yeah |
| 17:18.10 | cncfanatics | Grum, I hate draw calculations |
| 17:18.11 | Grum | cant remember ;( |
| 17:18.15 | Grum | me as well cnc |
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| 17:18.37 | Grum | fekkin confusing having to deal with axis which can be 0 so then you have to watch for divisions etc |
| 17:18.40 | Grum | hard to visualize it all |
| 17:18.48 | Grum | unless you are really used to it |
| 17:19.01 | Grum | cant MSN do this? |
| 17:19.07 | Grum | without sounding too stupid |
| 17:21.01 | Grum | i can perfectly draw what i am calculating ;D |
| 17:21.13 | Grum | problem is that i cant explain it properly - did you find something Xinhuan? |
| 17:21.25 | Xinhuan | onlinesketchpad or something |
| 17:21.26 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 17:21.37 | Xinhuan | or at worst, resort to isketch! |
| 17:22.26 | Grum | yes lol |
| 17:22.30 | Grum | trying to install macromedia |
| 17:22.37 | Grum | which doesnt work on my box so it seems .. geeeez |
| 17:22.44 | Grum | +shockwave |
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| 17:26.32 | Tuller | hrm, the sound changes on the ptr are really noticable now |
| 17:26.35 | cncfanatics | ~seen Corey |
| 17:26.38 | purl | corey is currently on #wowace, last said: 'good night :D'. |
| 17:26.43 | Xinhuan | sound changes? |
| 17:26.44 | cncfanatics | Corey, ping |
| 17:26.44 | Tuller | but it might be that I'm just listening for them |
| 17:26.51 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, sound engine was rewroten |
| 17:27.09 | Xinhuan | how different can it be?> |
| 17:27.35 | cncfanatics | quality ? |
| 17:27.41 | cncfanatics | quality currently sux |
| 17:27.45 | cncfanatics | especialy on linux its noticable |
| 17:27.48 | Grum | Xinhuan - i can show it on isketch ;D |
| 17:27.59 | Tuller | what I'm noticing more or less is sounds from objects |
| 17:28.13 | Xinhuan | objects? |
| 17:28.55 | Tuller | doodads :P |
| 17:28.55 | Grum | meh found some other crap page |
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| 17:32.26 | Grum | meh or not |
| 17:34.23 | Shirik | Interface\AddOns\Omen\OmenThreatBar.lua:277: Unknown unit token: npctarget |
| 17:34.31 | Shirik | Occurs when combat starts while player has trade window open |
| 17:34.55 | Xinhuan | i had the same error on Unknown unit token on raid37pet when i left an AV |
| 17:35.46 | Shirik | ( @ Antiarc ) |
| 17:36.23 | Pkekyo | "The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And one such goal is a democracy in Germany." --George W. Bush |
| 17:36.23 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:36.44 | Grum | Xinhuan: http://www.izhuk.com/painter/image.php?id=3634&md5=55e51e846b6ea4bc0d2a66a67e1a6754 |
| 17:36.46 | Shirik | wtf |
| 17:36.47 | Shirik | Pkekyo |
| 17:36.51 | Shirik | are you kidding? |
| 17:36.56 | Pkekyo | no I'm not |
| 17:37.02 | Xinhuan | err |
| 17:37.08 | Xinhuan | bush said that in 2006? |
| 17:37.15 | Pkekyo | correctemundo |
| 17:37.17 | Grum | we all know bush is stupid |
| 17:37.19 | Funkeh` | hey |
| 17:37.25 | cncfanatics | we all know bush is a total retard ? whats new ? |
| 17:37.26 | Pkekyo | ...the thought of that man controlling most of the nukes in the world makes me shiver |
| 17:37.41 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: nothing new...it just goes to unbelievable lengths... |
| 17:37.58 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, the nukes are the least of the worries |
| 17:38.10 | Pkekyo | howso? |
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| 17:38.25 | Pkekyo | nvm, got your point |
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| 17:38.47 | Xinhuan | so anyway about that diagram...? |
| 17:39.00 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm more concerned about irreparable damage to the US government, the death of innocent civilians and soldiers in an illegal invasion and occupation.. the destruction of the us economy... >.> |
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| 17:39.52 | Pkekyo | I'm kinda just sitting around waiting for the US invasion of norway... :> |
| 17:40.11 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 17:40.15 | Grum | Xinhuan: that is how i do the line-square intersection |
| 17:40.16 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: I concur with all points of thy imba statement |
| 17:40.20 | Grum | not sure if i can improve on that |
| 17:40.29 | cncfanatics | if bush ever decides to invade any country of the EU then there's one big timebom thats gonna explode |
| 17:40.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: depends on how much oil you have. ;) |
| 17:40.45 | Xinhuan | don't think so, unless you want to mess with trigonometry |
| 17:40.46 | Grum | i basicly see: direction of the line - opposite corner of the square - second intersection means the 'real' intersection - calculate x/y for that (x or y) |
| 17:41.02 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: we have lotses...I'm just sitting waiting for the middle eastern countries to run dry so I can run for the hills |
| 17:41.22 | Xinhuan | note the 2 triangles are similar triangles |
| 17:41.34 | Xinhuan | so you could make use of that to get the 2nd intersection point on the other end |
| 17:42.11 | Pkekyo | so I know the invasion is coming, I just don't know when :> |
| 17:42.27 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 17:43.01 | Grum | http://www.izhuk.com/painter/image.php?id=3635&md5=9ba2c968e51563c9c548f27169344dcc <-- the first check - I excluded *all* the red lines with the basic bbox check |
| 17:43.08 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no way we'd invade a fairly middle-of-nowhere country that's a relatively upstanding member of the un/eu. Other nations wouldn't stand for it. |
| 17:43.20 | Grum | if both 'x' or 'y' are in a colum or row there is no possible intersection |
| 17:43.26 | Grum | the yellow ones are the ones which give the most problem |
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| 17:43.54 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: true...but then again, not many nations would stand for the invasion of iraq either... I wonder where in the world there's alot of american troops right now *boggle* |
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| 17:44.26 | Xinhuan | why would the yellow line 4-2 give more problem than the green line from 4-2? |
| 17:44.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: there's a world of difference between iraq and norway though. I don't think anyone actually disagreed that sadam was probably not a "good" leader. |
| 17:46.16 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: true, but honestly...when the US leadership got the scent of blood and are about to go haywire...not all that many would go -actively- in to stop the invasion of a little defenseless pissantnation like norway...politics is one thing, what the US leadership does is another tbh |
| 17:46.53 | Pkekyo | the one nation standing out that might come to immediate aid would prolly be russia |
| 17:47.00 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, it's not as simple as saying "hey lets invade norway" "okay!" |
| 17:47.12 | Pkekyo | no, but almost?:) |
| 17:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 17:48.31 | Pkekyo | if the US -really- needed the oil, they would find a 'good' reason anyways...just like they did iraq |
| 17:48.32 | Pkekyo | (not saying that saddam was a 'good' leader, but a full scale invasion was a bit over the top) |
| 17:48.56 | NightHawkTheSane | the reason the US got away with/is getting away with invading/occupying iraq, is because the administration lied about intelligence, and played on peoples fears of "terrorism" which they naturally linked to "islam", as well as our already general distrust of iraq (see the previous war there..) |
| 17:49.08 | Grum | Xinhuan: the problem is that a 4->2 is not a guaranteed intersection |
| 17:49.15 | NightHawkTheSane | That wouldn't work nearly as well with norway, or many other nations |
| 17:49.16 | Grum | or 24 for that matter |
| 17:49.29 | Xinhuan | so you just one a quick way to see if the line intersects the box? |
| 17:49.34 | Grum | with this method: http://www.izhuk.com/painter/image.php?id=3636&md5=38a6da2e767e216bf0c201285e7d6911 i can cut out many of the yellow lines |
| 17:49.35 | Xinhuan | so you just want a quick way to see if the line intersects the box? |
| 17:49.41 | Grum | yes |
| 17:49.44 | Grum | and that is *hard* |
| 17:50.02 | NightHawkTheSane | especially now (for the moment and forseeable future) it's a democratically controlled congress, and I reaaaaly don't think any such measures would get passed |
| 17:50.03 | Pkekyo | well, people in general don't know jack shit about norway, so they're likely to believe whatever government tells them... |
| 17:50.03 | Pkekyo | 80% or so of those asked (international survey) were willing to bet their life that Norway was the capital city of Sweden |
| 17:50.17 | Grum | Xinhuan: 27 and 45 will *always* intersect |
| 17:50.34 | Pkekyo | I'd wish we were tbh...I'd love to have swedish tax rates |
| 17:50.43 | Xinhuan | alright let me think about it for a while |
| 17:50.53 | Grum | 12,13,14,16 will never but 5,7,8 might |
| 17:51.05 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: bush is out after this 4-year period, no? |
| 17:51.15 | Funkeh` | What does affishint mean? |
| 17:51.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: yes |
| 17:51.32 | Grum | look at the third one - i check the line of the perpendicular to the middle and if that is more than the furthest point that could be intersected (the corner of a square minimap) it can throw it away |
| 17:51.34 | Pkekyo | Funkeh`: possibly some guy on absinth trying to type absinth? :p |
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| 17:51.45 | Pkekyo | too bad....the guy provides alot of entertainment :p |
| 17:51.57 | Pkekyo | guess it's not the last we'll se of him anyways.. |
| 17:52.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: i'll take some sanity instead, thanks. :P |
| 17:52.37 | Grum | Xinhuan: in any case i would need the perpendicular to do intersection math for a circle-hit (which is still one of the most used minimaps - the default) |
| 17:52.44 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: true, but sadly, bush doesn't sit with all that much power after all, so I guess it'll be pretty much the same people controlling the US |
| 17:52.49 | Grum | so pre-calculating that i dont really consider a real impact |
| 17:53.17 | Grum | the idea now: |
| 17:53.17 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 17:53.28 | Pkekyo | maybe you'll get a guy that atleast can read a teleprompter (spelling?) properly this time around :> |
| 17:53.46 | Grum | from perpendicular point -> check distance .. more than 2*r*r away - then i can guarantee no intersection |
| 17:53.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: eh, yes and no. the president has a fair amount of sway. And there's some congressional elections next year as well, so |
| 17:54.04 | Grum | else: calculate intersection on the square and safe the points |
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| 17:54.24 | Grum | for each point - check if that intersection would be a round part of the minimap - if so - do the round intersection math for that point only |
| 17:54.33 | Xinhuan | so on your latest picture |
| 17:54.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: plus, a lot of the problems with bush is that he's abused the power he does have, and broken the law to gain more. |
| 17:54.40 | Xinhuan | i can see eliminating red is easy |
| 17:54.43 | Grum | the outer circle is 2*r*r |
| 17:54.45 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: I'm one of those nutters that think there's more to the control of the US than 'the eye can see'... |
| 17:54.48 | Xinhuan | but yellow is tough |
| 17:54.54 | Grum | yes |
| 17:54.56 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: indeed |
| 17:55.07 | Grum | oh i forget a check |
| 17:55.32 | Mudkips | interesting article |
| 17:55.33 | Mudkips | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118903209653018615.html |
| 17:55.39 | Mudkips | made me go haha |
| 17:55.43 | Ironhand | I'm looking for a way to hide my BagBar and MicroMenu (as Bartender calls them) during normal play, but still have the functionality available without too much hassle when I need it... any tips? (maybe an addon that can make them part of a FuBar panel so that can be set on auto-hide?) |
| 17:56.08 | Xinhuan | i think i have a solution - but first, given 2 lines, do you already have a way to tell if they intersect? |
| 17:56.13 | Pkekyo | Ironhand: atleast there's a fubar plugin for the micromenu |
| 17:56.20 | Grum | before i do 'circle intersection' i will check if the distance is > r*r .. if so .. ignore :) |
| 17:56.22 | Pkekyo | FuBar_MicroMenuFu or something |
| 17:56.27 | Xinhuan | i.e you have the start/end points of both lines |
| 17:56.39 | Ironhand | Pkekyo: thanks a lot, that sounds helpful |
| 17:56.42 | Grum | Xinhuan: i have the middle, and the start and end of a line |
| 17:57.01 | Grum | from that i calculate a point that is on the perpendicular line - with that i have 2 lines that are perpendicular -> i calculate the intersection point |
| 17:57.13 | Grum | from there i check if that point is > 2*r*r .. if so *never* intersection |
| 17:57.19 | Xinhuan | what you can do is, imagine 2 diagonals in the square, one from topleft to bottomright corners, and the other from topright to bottomleft corner |
| 17:57.34 | Xinhuan | if either diagonal intersects the line, you have a hit |
| 17:57.40 | Xinhuan | if not, you don't have a hit. |
| 17:57.46 | Xinhuan | simple? |
| 17:57.59 | Grum | no, the problem with line intersection is that it is hard to have 'limited' lines |
| 17:58.13 | Grum | if you just have the 2d definition of a line you dont have start/endpoints |
| 17:58.18 | Grum | and that it he easiest to calculate |
| 17:58.33 | Xinhuan | but i'm assuming you have the start/end points of both lines |
| 17:59.14 | Grum | well i'm not sure if calculating if one of the diagonals will be hit will do more than i have now |
| 17:59.25 | Grum | because then i have to do 2 intersections with lines that *could* be parallel (which is annoying) |
| 17:59.45 | Grum | mmmm |
| 17:59.47 | Grum | let me ponder on this |
| 17:59.49 | Grum | nice idea :) |
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| 18:00.22 | Xinhuan | i think your best solution is really for these problematic lines, do a intersection check on the 4 borders of the square, if you find any such intersections (you will find 0, 1 or 2, never 3 or 4) |
| 18:00.27 | Xinhuan | you can draw the line directly |
| 18:00.34 | Xinhuan | with the 2 intersection points you find |
| 18:01.05 | Grum | well i do that now - i intersect against the 2 likely lines |
| 18:01.08 | Xinhuan | there should be very few "problematic lines" |
| 18:01.17 | Xinhuan | so this calculation isn't likely to be expensive |
| 18:01.19 | Grum | so if you line is from bottom left to right top - you check against the 'x/y' of the bottom left point |
| 18:01.31 | Killmore | If i just log in, what is the normal "usage" for ace2 ? |
| 18:01.33 | Xinhuan | no don't do that, you have to check all 4 borders of the square |
| 18:01.46 | Xinhuan | checking the 2 most likely isn't enough |
| 18:01.53 | Xinhuan | but you can stop once you find 2 intersections |
| 18:01.56 | Xinhuan | since 2 is the max |
| 18:01.56 | Grum | that is 4 intersection calculations for ab |
| 18:01.59 | Grum | and 4 for ba |
| 18:02.17 | Grum | well i *know* which 2 lines it will intersect with |
| 18:02.29 | Grum | the ones of the corer opposite of the direction |
| 18:02.29 | Pkekyo | I'm off...laters all! |
| 18:02.37 | Grum | *corner |
| 18:02.48 | Xinhuan | no you won't know which 2 lines you will intersect |
| 18:02.53 | Grum | well i do |
| 18:02.59 | Xinhuan | imagine you have a line from 3 to 6 |
| 18:03.01 | Grum | well actually |
| 18:03.05 | Xinhuan | it can cross any of the 4 borders |
| 18:03.18 | Grum | meh |
| 18:03.24 | Xinhuan | and you won't know until you check all 4 borders |
| 18:03.29 | Grum | what i do now is 2 line intersections per 'side' |
| 18:03.41 | Grum | and whatever we change i dont think we can improve that |
| 18:04.07 | Grum | so from a->b and b->a i do 2 checks each |
| 18:04.20 | Grum | because i know which x/y value it has to cross to be considered a 'intersection' |
| 18:04.30 | Grum | the 'second' one you cross will be the 'real' intersection |
| 18:04.39 | Grum | so the one with the 'largest' distance to the origin |
| 18:04.42 | Xinhuan | ya, so my suggestion again is, for these problematic lines, do your 4 border intersection checks, stop the moment you find 2 intersections and you can draw the line, you can optimize this by checking the "likely border" first |
| 18:04.56 | Grum | that is what i've done indeed |
| 18:05.17 | Grum | http://www.izhuk.com/painter/image.php?id=3634&md5=55e51e846b6ea4bc0d2a66a67e1a6754 <-- that one |
| 18:05.23 | Xinhuan | if you only have 1 intersection (an endpoint is inside), then its probably even faster |
| 18:05.24 | Grum | point II is the intersection |
| 18:05.31 | Grum | which is the second 'line' i cross |
| 18:05.44 | Grum | yeah then i just do 2 calculations |
| 18:05.46 | Xinhuan | point I isn't an intersection btw |
| 18:05.52 | Grum | no i know |
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| 18:06.01 | Xinhuan | still have to calculate point III on the other end |
| 18:06.01 | Grum | but it intersects one of the 2 possible lines it *can* intersect |
| 18:06.17 | Grum | well i dont really do 2 intersections |
| 18:06.25 | Grum | i just say: which one of the 2 would be furthest . thats the one |
| 18:06.35 | Grum | saves me doing the actual calculation |
| 18:06.40 | Xinhuan | alright, i don't really think there is a faster way than this |
| 18:06.43 | Xinhuan | so yah |
| 18:06.59 | Grum | i'm just unsure on the logic for the circle intersection |
| 18:07.09 | Xinhuan | as an addon, just give 2 options - circle minimap and square ones |
| 18:07.20 | Grum | nope |
| 18:07.21 | Xinhuan | you can tell everyone else who uses non-square and non-circle minimaps to bugger off ;p |
| 18:07.24 | Grum | i will detect the shape |
| 18:07.39 | Grum | and even support 'part shapes' |
| 18:08.03 | Grum | ideally i would do this: |
| 18:08.03 | Xinhuan | (are there even minimap addons that give non-circular non-square minimaps?) |
| 18:08.07 | Grum | oh yes |
| 18:08.13 | Grum | part-square- part circlar |
| 18:08.20 | Grum | 1 quarter .. 2 quarters .. 3 quarters ... |
| 18:08.26 | Grum | simpleminimap does it |
| 18:08.32 | durcyn | triangles, man. triangles. |
| 18:08.37 | Grum | hehe |
| 18:08.44 | Xinhuan | have you considered the problem of "rotating minimap" yet? |
| 18:08.49 | Grum | if anyone implements that .. THEY CAN JUST FUCK OFF AND DIE |
| 18:08.49 | Thrae | When will there be a minimap addon that gives a circular minimap, dammit! I'm left with this damn default shape of the minimap and it's driving me crazy! |
| 18:08.59 | Grum | Xinhuan: that is nothing more than a drawing problem |
| 18:09.04 | Xinhuan | there is an option in the Interface Options that lets you rotate the minimap |
| 18:09.16 | Xinhuan | does that work with your addon? |
| 18:09.19 | Grum | and again nothing more than doing stupid angle-math (slapping cos/sin against the normal X/Y points) |
| 18:09.29 | Xinhuan | exactly - more math overhead ;p |
| 18:09.32 | Grum | not yet i think |
| 18:09.35 | Grum | well .. no |
| 18:09.36 | Grum | not yet |
| 18:09.42 | Grum | do i care for those people? no i find them sad |
| 18:09.57 | Grum | do they have to die? yes .. will I implement it? likely .. with lots of screaming |
| 18:10.01 | Xinhuan | i wouldn't care about people who use non-sq/circle addons |
| 18:10.08 | Xinhuan | imo |
| 18:10.15 | Grum | well it's not that much more work tbh |
| 18:11.02 | Grum | if i intersect the square and the point i intersect is within a round quarter and the perpendicular point is within the radius .. i can just spit out the new intersection with ~20 ops |
| 18:11.28 | Grum | maybe bit more .. discriminant is quite some calculations :) |
| 18:12.03 | Grum | stupid stuff is just that i have to calculate both |
| 18:12.20 | Grum | before i can tell in which quarter i will intersect :( |
| 18:12.47 | Grum | erm... i have to calculate the square-intersection |
| 18:12.54 | Grum | after that i can say if it could possible intersect a non-square |
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| 18:20.00 | Fisker- | Punkie` can i count on you? |
| 18:20.50 | Grum | Xinhuan: but you now have an idea of the scope of the problem |
| 18:20.58 | Grum | its quite doable but gives you a bloody headache :D |
| 18:21.08 | Xinhuan | qq |
| 18:21.29 | Grum | and the idea is there - just the math to fill it not yet |
| 18:23.13 | Grum | and with someone playing wow next to me and chatting on ventrilo .. it doesnt really gets up2speed ! ;D |
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| 18:25.53 | CIA-22 | 03sinaloit * r48439 10NRT_EPGP/ (. NRT_EPGP.lua NRT_EPGP.toc Terminus.lua embeds.xml): |
| 18:25.53 | CIA-22 | NRT_EPGP: |
| 18:25.53 | CIA-22 | - Added Guild Specific Rules for EP value |
| 18:25.53 | CIA-22 | - When attendance occurs everyone with addon should take attendance, helps ensure redundant logs - Drycode! |
| 18:25.53 | CIA-22 | - EP should automatically be awarded when attendance is taken - Drycode! |
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| 18:37.36 | ag` | [Ammo], one of the reasons you're not using branch was the lack of tags, was it? |
| 18:42.49 | Tuller | hrm, did they mention the event optimizations being done in 2.2 or 2.3? |
| 18:43.23 | Tuller | 2.2, yayish |
| 18:43.24 | Fisker- | around ag` never relax |
| 18:43.39 | ag` | Fisker-, huh? |
| 18:44.23 | Fisker- | i'm not relaxing |
| 18:44.33 | Tuller | hrm, bah, I don't wanna have to do real benchmarks :P |
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| 18:49.36 | CIA-22 | 03pettigrow * r48440 10Babble-2.2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:49.36 | CIA-22 | Babble-2.2: |
| 18:49.36 | CIA-22 | - frFR Update |
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| 18:51.41 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1531243163&pageNo=1&sid=1#10 killing spree :( |
| 18:54.22 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:54.24 | ckknight | how's everyone doing? |
| 18:54.51 | RogueShadow | wonderful? |
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| 18:55.03 | RogueShadow | Fisker: That post was kinda. ereased |
| 18:55.09 | ckknight | I'll expect nothing less, RogueShadow |
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| 18:57.29 | RogueShadow | I found a pretty cool video. I imagine I'm the last to know as always. Curse black Temple vidoe's |
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| 18:57.58 | Grum | Xinhuan: now the worst part - it seems to be completed code ... now from pseudocode into real-lua code O.o .. working in wow .. sigh |
| 18:58.42 | Grum | hehe it has become one fatass hell of a function :D |
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| 19:00.48 | CIA-22 | 03nevcairiel 07Alpha * r48441 10Ace3/AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: Ace3 - revert some changes |
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| 19:11.55 | BankZ | Are the key bindings broke on Bartender3? |
| 19:12.06 | BankZ | I cant bind any of the buttons on bar 1 |
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| 19:20.52 | Nickenyfiken | BankZ: You bind them from the normal keybind interface? |
| 19:21.43 | BankZ | its not there |
| 19:21.53 | BankZ | it starts at bar2 |
| 19:22.25 | BankZ | and I wish it had a flightform stance :( |
| 19:22.33 | cncfanatics | BankZ |
| 19:22.38 | cncfanatics | use the default blizz bindings for the first bar |
| 19:22.44 | BankZ | ahhh |
| 19:22.44 | cncfanatics | will bind em to bartender's |
| 19:22.55 | BankZ | thanks |
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| 19:23.26 | BankZ | two things bartender needs, set the fadeout alpha and flight form stance :) |
| 19:23.46 | cncfanatics | hmmm, FB has flight form stance |
| 19:23.50 | cncfanatics | actualy, it has all stances |
| 19:24.02 | cncfanatics | including seal and whatever :p |
| 19:24.41 | cncfanatics | bit harder to use then bartender though |
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| 19:25.29 | nevcairiel | BankZ: who needs flight form stance? o.O |
| 19:25.45 | BankZ | nevcairiel: cuz I want to hide the bars in flight |
| 19:25.55 | BankZ | cncfanatics: FB? |
| 19:26.03 | cncfanatics | ~flexbar |
| 19:26.03 | purl | it has been said that flexbar is A button manipulation addon currently in beta, find the latest info at http://wowace.com/wiki/FlexBar2 |
| 19:26.29 | BankZ | does BT do anything FB does not? |
| 19:26.39 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, doubt it, but could be |
| 19:26.48 | cncfanatics | not like I looked at BT & took all its features |
| 19:27.06 | BankZ | ok, ill check it out |
| 19:27.12 | nevcairiel | BT doesnt have that many special features |
| 19:27.46 | cncfanatics | nor does FB atm, it does have more fancy stuff then BT though |
| 19:27.54 | cncfanatics | but not by an all that large margin |
| 19:28.13 | cncfanatics | just <3 individualy controlable buttons so hard |
| 19:28.37 | cchome | any screenshots of how flexbars look like |
| 19:28.43 | cncfanatics | hmmmmz |
| 19:28.45 | cncfanatics | lemme make one |
| 19:29.56 | cncfanatics | I think it offers more control over what u do with ur buttons then BT though, even if I say so myself |
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| 19:30.29 | BankZ | just uninstalled BT and installed FB2, should be interesting on what happens to UI |
| 19:31.36 | art3mis | i think i like the new hkui graphics and layout |
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| 19:32.27 | BankZ | does FB have a fubbar plugin? |
| 19:32.31 | BankZ | or minimap? |
| 19:32.33 | cncfanatics | BankZ, /fb gui |
| 19:32.35 | cncfanatics | works fine |
| 19:32.47 | cncfanatics | or you can use the slashcommands, though u need some time to get familiar with those |
| 19:33.10 | cncfanatics | try creating 10 buttons with the gui by typing 1-10 in the GUI create box and then confirming for example |
| 19:33.16 | cncfanatics | or /fb create button=1-10 |
| 19:33.18 | cncfanatics | would do the same |
| 19:34.18 | BankZ | thanks, I cant see anything cuz the blizzard stuff is covering mt text |
| 19:34.21 | BankZ | *my |
| 19:35.04 | BankZ | so, does FB let you move and hide the blizard stuff |
| 19:35.14 | cncfanatics | nope, should make a feature to hide it though |
| 19:35.16 | cncfanatics | but didn't have time yet |
| 19:36.03 | BankZ | hmm, thats a big one for bartender, guess I gota install i |
| 19:36.04 | BankZ | t |
| 19:36.15 | BankZ | it lets me break and move stuff |
| 19:36.32 | BankZ | like bags, menu and so on |
| 19:37.22 | cncfanatics | ah, fb doesnt do that :( |
| 19:37.38 | cncfanatics | http://cncfanatic.free.fr/flexbar2.jpg |
| 19:37.41 | cncfanatics | thats a screenshot btw |
| 19:39.46 | BankZ | hmmm, I dont understand the GUI for FB |
| 19:42.31 | BankZ | dont get it |
| 19:44.42 | cncfanatics | whats so hard about it ? :o |
| 19:45.41 | BankZ | well, it just doesnt make sense |
| 19:45.59 | BankZ | it doesnt give me any clue on what I should do |
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| 19:46.26 | BankZ | I click Button Control, nothings there |
| 19:46.50 | BankZ | I click Group Control and there are a bunch of text boxings |
| 19:47.16 | BankZ | so, I enter a group name and the number of buttons and hit create |
| 19:47.27 | BankZ | and it does nothing |
| 19:47.41 | cncfanatics | first should create buttons in button control |
| 19:47.52 | BankZ | there is nothing on that page |
| 19:47.55 | cncfanatics | there isnt ? |
| 19:47.56 | BankZ | its blank |
| 19:47.58 | cncfanatics | hmmm maybe its bugged |
| 19:47.59 | cncfanatics | lemme check |
| 19:48.30 | BankZ | lol, when I click the button control, the header is "Group control" |
| 19:48.42 | cncfanatics | lol, something's wrong it seems |
| 19:48.56 | BankZ | nvm, its the same as the last item |
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| 19:49.19 | BankZ | if I click general settings and then button control the header is blank |
| 19:49.37 | cncfanatics | sigh, whats happening again |
| 19:49.39 | cncfanatics | damn GUIs |
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| 19:50.32 | cncfanatics | not blank for me |
| 19:50.35 | cncfanatics | weird, whats happening this time |
| 19:50.38 | cncfanatics | i'll debug it tomorrow |
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| 19:53.31 | BankZ | yeah, think I am gonna stick with BT |
| 19:53.43 | cncfanatics | u shld :) fb is beta :) |
| 19:54.24 | BankZ | kk :P |
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| 20:08.33 | Ironhand | is there a way to get Mendeleev's info to show up in tooltips brought up by right-clicking an item in chat, not just hovering over inventory items? |
| 20:11.01 | charon | wau should have a comprehensive feature list... i keep looking for stuff then much later find out it's in one of the mods i had installed all along |
| 20:16.41 | Recluse | that would depend mostly on authors properly generating a comprehensive list of features for their addon somewhere |
| 20:20.44 | ckknight | one thing that I don't think people catch on to is that authors need incentive to do something they wouldn't normally |
| 20:21.01 | ckknight | it's not as if we're slaves doing your bidding |
| 20:21.48 | Cartas | Well, after a year of begging, you finally made Cartographer. |
| 20:22.00 | Cartas | You might not like it, but it works! ;) |
| 20:22.14 | ckknight | because I wanted to, not because you asked |
| 20:22.18 | ckknight | many people have asked for other mods |
| 20:22.24 | ckknight | that I just don't care for |
| 20:23.53 | Cartas | Hm, do you happen to know of a good item-tooltip-comparison addon, perchance? |
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| 20:24.21 | ulic | RatingBuster |
| 20:25.54 | Cartas | Aha, thanks old chap! |
| 20:26.14 | cncfanatics | hmmmmz, i'm considering to quit WoW |
| 20:26.23 | cncfanatics | way too bored with the game as it is |
| 20:26.50 | charon | i'm sorry if i offended someone, i wasn't _that_ serious since i'm well aware that it would just be a hell of work to collect information that is available elsewhere |
| 20:27.01 | charon | (been afk for a while) |
| 20:28.32 | Cartas | I can see how some addons have descriptions that give no clue whatsoever as to what the addon does, but you can always find out in more detail what an addon does by searching on WoWAce or WoWInterface, right? :o |
| 20:29.14 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats a lot of work, and i'm lazy and whiney! :P |
| 20:29.17 | Gngsk | how about reading the toc/lua and maybe installing it? |
| 20:29.20 | charon | what he said. |
| 20:29.27 | charon | really guys |
| 20:29.29 | charon | cheer up |
| 20:29.36 | NightHawkTheSane | except i was being sarcastic and insulting :P |
| 20:30.13 | Cartas | A duel it shall be, good sir! |
| 20:31.20 | charon | i was just in an ironic mood when i found out that, after wondering for a month or so what addon would provide a Rebirth cd monitor, that it was in fact oRa which was one of my first Ace addons ever. |
| 20:31.24 | charon | ./facepalm etc. |
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| 20:31.51 | Cartas | lol |
| 20:35.15 | charon | spending 11g in reps, for leather, on a single steamvaults heroic run with guildies(!) is also quite an experience. |
| 20:36.08 | Chompers | ckknight: have you ever thought of doing an inspect addon? |
| 20:36.26 | ckknight | I don't see a need for it |
| 20:36.33 | cncfanatics | Chompers, have YOU thought of doing an inspect addon ?? |
| 20:36.44 | Chompers | yes |
| 20:36.50 | Chompers | it would be pretty shit if i made it |
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| 20:38.54 | Cartas | What would this inspect addon do? |
| 20:39.30 | cncfanatics | tell you you suck if you have less epix then the person ur inspecting ofc |
| 20:39.49 | Cartas | :o |
| 20:39.54 | Cartas | What about legendaries?! |
| 20:40.05 | Chompers | compare people to your characters/other characters |
| 20:40.07 | cncfanatics | if you're not full legendary it'll crash you |
| 20:40.13 | Chompers | cache people you meet |
| 20:40.15 | Cartas | Haha. |
| 20:40.28 | Cartas | Well, the WoW armoury is good for that, I suppose. |
| 20:40.31 | cncfanatics | while true do end; |
| 20:40.38 | cncfanatics | thats the best thing ever made |
| 20:40.44 | cncfanatics | try it with /script in front |
| 20:42.01 | charon | Loop, endless: see 'Endless loop'. |
| 20:42.04 | Cartas | I wonder if anyone actually did it... |
| 20:42.27 | Cartas | Too? |
| 20:42.30 | charon | no, that word exists. phew. |
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| 20:43.27 | charon | too. |
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| 20:44.19 | ckknight | cncfanatics: there's better ways to fool people |
| 20:44.22 | ckknight | e.g. |
| 20:44.25 | ckknight | while 0 do end |
| 20:44.30 | ckknight | dude, doesn't do anything |
| 20:44.35 | ckknight | lulz |
| 20:44.40 | ckknight | seeing as 0 is true in lua |
| 20:45.04 | cncfanatics | which is silly, btw |
| 20:45.08 | cncfanatics | 0 == true is fucking anoying |
| 20:45.17 | ckknight | I disagree |
| 20:45.24 | ckknight | it works once you get into it |
| 20:45.38 | cncfanatics | its the only language in which its the case though |
| 20:45.38 | Cartas | Kinda goes against the whole computer thing though. |
| 20:45.50 | cncfanatics | Cartas, not really |
| 20:45.54 | Cartas | With '1' being on/true/etc... |
| 20:46.01 | Cartas | You don't think? :o |
| 20:46.01 | cncfanatics | 0 as a number means nothing more then 1 as a number or 2, 3 or any other number |
| 20:46.02 | ckknight | if your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump? |
| 20:46.19 | ckknight | just because everyone else does something doesn't mean it's right in any way |
| 20:46.24 | Cartas | But '1' means on/true/etc. as I just said, cncfanatics. |
| 20:46.25 | ckknight | fight the machine |
| 20:46.32 | Cartas | Binary IS the machine though :o |
| 20:46.41 | Cartas | Can't go against it! |
| 20:46.48 | cncfanatics | 0 == true is just not logical from a programming pov imo |
| 20:46.50 | ckknight | stop while you're behind |
| 20:47.00 | ckknight | cncfanatics: why? because other languages are like that? |
| 20:47.03 | Shirik | cncfanatics: C is one of the FEW languages that says 0 is false |
| 20:47.18 | zac | Shirik: that's horribly wrong |
| 20:47.22 | Shirik | C++ doesn't even say that, you have to explicitly cast it |
| 20:47.24 | Cartas | ckknight: If your friend didn't jump off a bridge, would you? |
| 20:47.29 | Cartas | That logic never has and never will work. |
| 20:47.33 | ckknight | Shirik: actually you're wrong about C++ |
| 20:47.34 | Shirik | except with some strange APIs |
| 20:47.46 | Shirik | eh, well I forget |
| 20:47.49 | Shirik | back to healing anyway |
| 20:47.58 | ckknight | Does Lisp map 0 as false? I don't think so |
| 20:48.00 | Shirik | I still like Lua's concept of 0 being true; I hated it at first |
| 20:48.08 | Shirik | But it helps in a lot of situations |
| 20:48.13 | cncfanatics | everything is true ? except nil & false |
| 20:48.16 | cncfanatics | as far as I know |
| 20:48.17 | Shirik | correct |
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| 20:48.38 | cncfanatics | makes sense, somewhere |
| 20:48.42 | cncfanatics | but 0 being false also does |
| 20:48.42 | charon | holy wars are god's way of spelling FAIL |
| 20:48.57 | Shirik | All that matters is that someone said 0 is true in Lua |
| 20:48.59 | Shirik | and that's what it is |
| 20:49.04 | cncfanatics | true enough |
| 20:49.06 | ckknight | yea, so stop bitching, cncfanatics |
| 20:49.07 | Shirik | it makes no less sense than it being false |
| 20:49.14 | ckknight | :-P |
| 20:49.21 | Cartas | It's still silly, really :D |
| 20:49.21 | cncfanatics | ckknight: die in a fire xD |
| 20:49.45 | Pkekyo|aw | what happens when you give a politician viagra? :) |
| 20:50.04 | cncfanatics | he dies |
| 20:50.08 | Pkekyo|aw | he grows taller! |
| 20:50.08 | cncfanatics | ckknight: ur in wikipedia :o |
| 20:50.27 | ckknight | I am? |
| 20:50.30 | cncfanatics | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Knight |
| 20:50.31 | ckknight | link |
| 20:50.46 | ckknight | different person |
| 20:50.50 | cncfanatics | ur a comedy actor :) |
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| 20:50.56 | cncfanatics | I know :) |
| 20:50.58 | ckknight | there's also a Cameron Knight gay porn star |
| 20:51.01 | cncfanatics | just funny |
| 20:51.04 | cncfanatics | :o lol |
| 20:51.10 | Cartas | That's CKnight, isn't it, cncfanatics? :P |
| 20:51.11 | cncfanatics | sure its not you ? |
| 20:51.14 | ckknight | was the top hit on google for a little while |
| 20:51.17 | Cartas | He has two k's! |
| 20:51.31 | cncfanatics | Cartas, whois him & get his real name |
| 20:51.37 | Cartas | No way. |
| 20:51.40 | ckknight | that's just my middle initial, Cartas |
| 20:51.42 | Cartas | I respect CKKnight as the God he is. |
| 20:51.45 | cncfanatics | "Real Name: Cameron Knight" |
| 20:51.53 | Cartas | Look at my real name then! |
| 20:52.07 | cncfanatics | lol, inspirationfull |
| 20:52.18 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I could call myself dduke |
| 20:52.31 | cncfanatics | not a bad name actualy :o |
| 20:52.41 | sica | or darkduke \o/ |
| 20:52.52 | cncfanatics | Diego Duclos :) |
| 20:53.12 | cncfanatics | "duc" meaning Duke in french |
| 20:53.45 | charon | my last name means break/pause in german :) |
| 20:53.58 | Cartas | Das ist wunderbar. |
| 20:54.01 | ckknight | well, seeing as there's about 86,000 Knights out there and Cameron is a relatively common Gaelic name, there's bound to be other Cameron Knights out there. |
| 20:54.05 | charon | oh. i've got the charname in. it's Rast |
| 20:54.14 | cncfanatics | well, there's lots of Duclos' in france |
| 20:54.18 | cncfanatics | but Diego is totaly not a common name |
| 20:54.22 | cncfanatics | but there's another one it seems |
| 20:54.50 | Cartas | Livesey isn't that common, I don't think. |
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| 20:57.22 | charon | Cartas: funny thing is, in my everyday use of german "wunderbar" is such a nice word for a concept usually called "cool", "geil", "super" or the like, that it raises suspicions of irony |
| 20:57.31 | charon | (or maybe you meant it that way) |
| 20:57.35 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, would anyone pick up fb if I stopped plahing wow ? its the only reason i'm not stopping artm |
| 20:58.12 | Cartas | FB? FuBar? |
| 20:58.12 | cncfanatics | FlexBar |
| 20:58.12 | Dynom | why was I thinking framebuffer |
| 20:58.12 | Cartas | charon: I know it has that li'l' hint of irony with its current overuse... |
| 20:58.16 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.16 | Cartas | charon: I usually avoid it myself when speaking German :) |
| 20:58.38 | Pkekyo | this country is getting shittier by the minute |
| 20:58.58 | charon | katanas... your gangs sure have some style |
| 20:59.00 | Dynom | Pkekyo: talking about Norway? |
| 20:59.20 | Pkekyo | Dynom: indeed |
| 20:59.25 | Cartas | :o |
| 20:59.25 | Dynom | It's a crappy country, pretty, but crappy indeed |
| 20:59.34 | Cartas | Is it worse than England? |
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| 20:59.41 | Dynom | ye |
| 20:59.44 | Cartas | OUCH! |
| 20:59.50 | Saladin | Pkekyo: lol link |
| 20:59.58 | Pkekyo | charon: imo, they should l2fucking adapt to the society they're in, rather than running around pulling katanakills executionstyle |
| 21:00.26 | Pkekyo | http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=162116 <--- best link available atm...gonna see if I can find the original one |
| 21:00.27 | Dynom | 5m people with a country spanning many thousands of kilometers, most of 'm live in Oslo, and an internal flight costs more then flying halfway europe |
| 21:00.35 | charon | Pkekyo: so what would the traditional mafia murder in norway look like? |
| 21:00.40 | Saladin | haha samurai-killing |
| 21:00.54 | Pkekyo | Dynom: you norwegian? sure sounds like it :P |
| 21:01.09 | Dynom | no I'm not actually ^_^ |
| 21:01.17 | Cartas | lol |
| 21:01.18 | Pkekyo | charon: closest thing to a mafia we ever had was the Vikings, so you can imagine... |
| 21:01.23 | Cartas | I hear Norway is expensive, yeh |
| 21:01.23 | Dynom | But I've a very close friend living there and we just got back from a vacation there |
| 21:01.39 | Dynom | a few things in the country are very fucked up if you ask me |
| 21:02.02 | Pkekyo | Cartas: it is...we pay 2-3 times the true cost of our cars in taxes, in additional to the stock salesprice |
| 21:02.16 | Cartas | How did it get so bad? :| |
| 21:02.26 | Kirkburn|afk | ckknight, can you do an update to cartographer to deal with the ott pink circles issue? |
| 21:02.35 | Pkekyo | Dynom: not only a few....immigrationpolitics...might as well not have any, as the shit we have doesn't work at all anyways |
| 21:02.37 | Kirkburn|afk | ( http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6065.20 ) |
| 21:02.49 | Dynom | Pkekyo: same for us compadre |
| 21:02.49 | Pkekyo | Cartas: started when some fucktard decided that the Vikings ought to be christians |
| 21:02.55 | charon | Pkekyo: i suppose the vikings didn't use swords in gang warfare? ;) |
| 21:02.58 | Pkekyo | then it was all downhill from there |
| 21:02.58 | Cartas | Ah, Christians... |
| 21:02.59 | Dynom | Pkekyo: (Holland, in case you wondered) |
| 21:03.01 | Saladin | aye agreed |
| 21:03.03 | Cartas | They're the cause of all the world problems. |
| 21:03.19 | Pkekyo | charon: err, I'd imagine it was more axes and maces, but prolly swords too... |
| 21:03.19 | Dynom | imo, religion is as much pain as it is salvation |
| 21:03.30 | Pkekyo | Cartas: wrong |
| 21:03.31 | Saladin | religion is power, eod |
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| 21:03.39 | Pkekyo | Cartas: RELIGION is the cause of all world problems |
| 21:03.59 | cncfanatics | Religion & Pkekyo are the cause of all world's problems |
| 21:04.05 | cncfanatics | and idiots like bush too ofc |
| 21:04.09 | Dynom | religion is a short awnser to all the questions that don't have awnsers |
| 21:04.20 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: damn you, don't EVER put me up alongside religion! |
| 21:04.23 | Cartas | Without religion we could have something worse though, so... |
| 21:04.32 | Dynom | saying only religion is the problem of the world is a bit short sighted tbh |
| 21:04.37 | Pkekyo | Cartas: like what? |
| 21:04.49 | Cartas | I've no idea. Religion did exist :P |
| 21:04.56 | Pkekyo | Dynom: it's not the ONLY problem, but it's caused hell of alot more problems than it's worth tbh |
| 21:05.08 | cncfanatics | crusades anyone ? |
| 21:05.19 | charon | the burning kind sure is a pain... |
| 21:05.21 | Dynom | Pkekyo: I agree |
| 21:05.26 | Pkekyo | "a invisible man in the sky told me you and all of your people should die because you believe in another invisible man in the sky! *CHARGE*" |
| 21:05.27 | cncfanatics | charon; die in pain |
| 21:05.36 | charon | SCNR |
| 21:05.37 | Dynom | Pkekyo: but for beleivers it might be a worthy sacrifice |
| 21:05.39 | Morghus | Psh. Selfishness is the cause of all problems. Or free will. Or whatever :P |
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| 21:05.51 | Dynom | Morghus: resistance is futile |
| 21:06.02 | Pkekyo | Dynom: if the fucktards would only keep their religions to themselves... |
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| 21:06.21 | charon | i hear buddhism doesn't have the "all others are evil" clause |
| 21:06.23 | Dynom | Pkekyo: AND respect other peoples choises and religions. |
| 21:06.27 | charon | never bothered to check though |
| 21:06.37 | Pkekyo | tbh, the phrase "you should believe what I believe" is the cause of all problems :P |
| 21:06.38 | charon | seems to be the only major religion that doesn't |
| 21:06.42 | Dynom | Pkekyo: it's kinda twisted to kill someone just because he doesn't beleive in the same book |
| 21:06.48 | Pkekyo | charon: hinduism? |
| 21:07.04 | vithos | buddhism isn't exactly a religion |
| 21:07.05 | charon | Pkekyo: might be mixing them up |
| 21:07.10 | Pkekyo | Dynom: I have to correct you, because he doesn't believe in the same invisible man in the sky! :P |
| 21:07.27 | Pkekyo | charon: they both seem kinda neutral towards other religions tbh |
| 21:07.38 | Dynom | Pkekyo: some religions have had too many drinks and beleive in a vast variaty of gods |
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| 21:07.58 | cncfanatics | men in the sky then |
| 21:08.01 | cncfanatics | who cares |
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| 21:08.08 | cncfanatics | its still invisible stuff in the sky |
| 21:08.21 | NimbleRabit | what does "cleanup SavedVaribles" do |
| 21:08.21 | Cartass | Not many modern religions believe invisible men live in the sky, right? |
| 21:08.29 | Pkekyo | they're more like "if you could be arsed to believe in this, it'd be awesome and we'd all have a great time together", whilst christianity, islam etc are more like "live free, like one of us OR DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!!!" |
| 21:08.33 | charon | also, dynom has a point with the book. after all roman catholics and protestants did have some wars |
| 21:08.36 | cncfanatics | all do Cartass -.- |
| 21:08.40 | Pkekyo | Cartas: modern religions? |
| 21:08.48 | Cartass | Yep. |
| 21:08.50 | Dynom | I might start beleiving if there is a religion involving nekked ch1x0rs with computer playing WoW allday, YARRRRR |
| 21:08.58 | Pkekyo | if it does not contain one or several invisible entities, it is not a religion :> |
| 21:09.11 | cncfanatics | no better religion then "there is no such thing as invisible idiots in the sky" |
| 21:09.18 | Pkekyo | Dynom: as nerdy I may feel, I have to agree |
| 21:09.29 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: but then it wouldn't really be a religion |
| 21:09.36 | Dynom | charon: I'd laugh my ass off when I get to 'heaven' and they all say, book.. what book? oh the one Mister Gsus wrote, ye, funny man he was, allways liked to make up stories for his children |
| 21:09.36 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, could you do s/man/idiot/ in your sentences |
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| 21:09.52 | Dynom | Pkekyo: feels dirty at start.. that feeling will go away... *evil grin* |
| 21:10.17 | charon | Dynom: there's also the rather obvious joke about "look daddy, that club of fishers i founded still exists!" |
| 21:10.20 | cncfanatics | ~religion |
| 21:10.21 | purl | hmm... religion is the opiate of the masses |
| 21:10.25 | Pkekyo | tbh, I think schools should recognize the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as a religion... |
| 21:10.32 | cncfanatics | purl, religion is also believing in invisible idiots in the sky |
| 21:10.33 | purl | okay, cncfanatics |
| 21:10.36 | Dynom | though I must say some paragraphs aren't very suitable for minors, it should be labeled: 18+ or Adult suffering |
| 21:10.37 | cncfanatics | ~religion |
| 21:10.38 | purl | religion is probably the opiate of the masses, or believing in invisible idiots in the sky |
| 21:11.08 | Pkekyo | imba purl |
| 21:11.10 | Cartass | Are you atheists here then? :o |
| 21:11.16 | NimbleRabit | Yes. |
| 21:11.17 | Dynom | quick learner I'd say |
| 21:11.34 | Pkekyo | Cartas: I rather consider myself as a cynical bastard... :) |
| 21:11.39 | cncfanatics | ~Cartass |
| 21:11.48 | cncfanatics | ~Cartas |
| 21:11.48 | purl | cartas begs for maps. |
| 21:11.48 | Dynom | let me put it this way Cartass. I beleive in the fact that not everything has an awnser |
| 21:11.53 | Cartas | Atheism is just as narrow minded as Christianity or otherwise. :o |
| 21:11.58 | cncfanatics | purl, cartas is also known as sherlock |
| 21:11.59 | purl | okay, cncfanatics |
| 21:12.02 | Pkekyo | Cartas: I rather consider myself as a cynical bastard... :) |
| 21:12.04 | NimbleRabit | Dynom: that's agnostic |
| 21:12.19 | cncfanatics | I consider myself the same as Pkekyo tbh |
| 21:12.25 | cncfanatics | a bit too synical for a lot of people's taste |
| 21:12.41 | Cartas | You believe your senses and nothing else? :p |
| 21:12.48 | cncfanatics | s/synical/cynical/ |
| 21:12.50 | Pkekyo | tbh, I think there's major flaws in all directions of beliefs and religions... |
| 21:12.57 | Pkekyo | alsoo atheism... |
| 21:12.58 | Silowyi | I'm a cynical bastard Christian. |
| 21:13.00 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, the belief in idiots in the sky ? |
| 21:13.02 | art3mis | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 21:13.08 | Dynom | NimbleRabit: I don't quite fit to the discription of being an Agnostic |
| 21:13.12 | Pkekyo | cncfanatics: amongst others... |
| 21:13.31 | art3mis | how can you not fit the description of agnostic? |
| 21:13.32 | NimbleRabit | Cartas: athiesm is the lack of belief because there is no proof, not narrow minded or "only believing your senses" |
| 21:13.33 | cncfanatics | Pkekyo, please enlighten me with ur wisdom, or whatever u want to call ur knowledge |
| 21:13.35 | Pkekyo | the "belief of the good in every human" crap is kinda shot to shit allready imo... |
| 21:13.37 | Silowyi | I believe in God, Jesus Christ, all that, and think that 95% of churches in the world cause more trouble than they are worth. |
| 21:13.42 | Cartas | That is being narrow minded though, NimbleRabit. |
| 21:13.57 | cncfanatics | Cartas , only believing what u see is narrow minded ? |
| 21:14.00 | cncfanatics | weird thinking |
| 21:14.10 | NightHawkTheSane | there's nothing narrow minded about not believing in god. |
| 21:14.14 | Dynom | NimbleRabit: I think there is enough proof of religion, I just don't beleive in it. |
| 21:14.17 | art3mis | cncfanatics: i cant see quantum particles |
| 21:14.18 | Cartas | How so? |
| 21:14.26 | vithos | agnosticism is rubbish. |
| 21:14.27 | Dynom | NimbleRabit: it's no doubt that religion is real, quite the contrary |
| 21:14.27 | art3mis | that doesnt mean i dont believe in them ;P |
| 21:14.31 | Cartas | cncfanatics: Things get smaller the further away they are. That must mean they ARE smaller. |
| 21:14.34 | Silowyi | cncfanatics: 40 years ago no one had "seen" or proven the existance of DNA. |
| 21:14.37 | cncfanatics | art3mis, you can prove they exist, and youcan see that proof |
| 21:14.39 | NightHawkTheSane | vithos: see, now -thats- narrow minded |
| 21:14.52 | art3mis | agnosticism is easy to go with thoug, its the belief in a higher power but its not God |
| 21:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | art3mis: no, its not |
| 21:15.00 | NimbleRabit | no it's not |
| 21:15.04 | Cartas | It's not that... |
| 21:15.06 | NimbleRabit | it's the belief that we can't know |
| 21:15.07 | Dynom | What existing religion exists at least 1000 years and grows with it's time. |
| 21:15.15 | art3mis | im paraphrasing |
| 21:15.19 | cncfanatics | Cartas, and you perfectly understand what I mean |
| 21:15.20 | NightHawkTheSane | NimbleRabit: well, either can't, or don't currently. |
| 21:15.22 | Silowyi | Dynom: there are three. |
| 21:15.26 | Cartas | No, I don't, old chap. |
| 21:15.28 | NimbleRabit | NightHawkTheSane: right |
| 21:15.29 | Dynom | Silowyi: name them please |
| 21:15.33 | vithos | NightHawkTheSane: are you agnostic on the topic of, say, unicorns? |
| 21:15.33 | Cartas | Or did you contradict yourself |
| 21:15.50 | Silowyi | Dynom: Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism have all grown in population worldwide, and are older than 1000 years. |
| 21:15.51 | vithos | NightHawkTheSane: to me, the distiction between athiesm and agnosticism is silly |
| 21:15.52 | cncfanatics | with "I only believe what I see" I mean i'll only believe what u can get me a proof off on writen paper |
| 21:16.03 | Ironhand | sorry for intruding on this inspiring discussion, but can someone tell me whether VisualHeal will still work correctly if all party members have HealComm-2.0 installed but not the actual VisualHeal addon? |
| 21:16.17 | NimbleRabit | Cartas: how is athiesm narrow minded? I don't believe in zues, fairies, unicorns, etc. so am I narrow minded on all those subjects as well? |
| 21:16.27 | NightHawkTheSane | vithos: er, how so? atheism is a distinct statement: "there is no god/higher power.", agnotisism is simply saying "I'm not really sure." |
| 21:16.47 | Cartas | Let's say there are an infinite (or almost, perhaps?) possibilities. In being atheist you limit yourself to just 'one' path (I think?) |
| 21:16.50 | Cartas | That's pretty narrow. |
| 21:16.51 | Pkekyo | agnotisism = win tbh... |
| 21:16.52 | Dynom | Silowyi: grown in population.. surely, but I mean.. what religion aged with the current lifestyle |
| 21:17.06 | cncfanatics | Cartas, by that definition EVERY single way of thinking is narrow minded |
| 21:17.06 | Dynom | Silowyi: most religions aren't "of this time" if you get what I mean |
| 21:17.08 | NimbleRabit | Cartas: no because athiesm is just a degree of agnosticism, it's a belief that could be changed with proof |
| 21:17.10 | vithos | NightHawkTheSane: here's a good read on the topic of athiesm vs agnosticism. douglas adams has said it better than i can. http://www.americanatheist.org/win98-99/T2/silverman.html |
| 21:17.15 | Cartas | Not agnostic thinking, cncfanatics. |
| 21:17.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: meh, most people just say "oh i'm agnostic" because they're too stupid to actually have thooughts and beliefs of their own,and don't want to think about it. |
| 21:17.29 | siIentium | you could argue that Buddhism isnt actually a religion but more of a general attitude, but you forgot Judaism (or how it's called in english) |
| 21:17.35 | Silowyi | Dynom: Depends on your definition of aged. But what you stated is why there are orthodox religious denominations, and more modern ones. |
| 21:17.36 | NimbleRabit | I agree with vithos on this one |
| 21:17.42 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, buddism isn't a religion |
| 21:17.43 | NimbleRabit | agnosticism is ridiculous |
| 21:17.50 | vithos | NightHawkTheSane: athiests aren't saying it's impossible there's a god, they're saying they are convinced there's not a god |
| 21:17.56 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: true... |
| 21:18.02 | cncfanatics | vithos, nicely put |
| 21:18.07 | Silowyi | Dynom: For instance orthodox judeaism does not allow women to be rabbi, but progressive or modern jews can have female rabbi. |
| 21:18.13 | NimbleRabit | Athiesm is just a degree of agnosticism towards not being a god. They aren't saying they are 100% sure |
| 21:18.16 | Dynom | Silowyi: true, but they don't have 'roots' from the old days, mostly 'copied' from an existing religion and 'bent to the needs' |
| 21:18.31 | Dynom | Silowyi: I'd call that progress btw |
| 21:18.39 | vithos | nobody can ever be sure of anything. you can't even be sure the world you're percieving exists |
| 21:18.45 | NimbleRabit | agnosticism on the other hand leads way to people thinking like cartas, that you can't be sure about anything 100% so we should all jus tnot believe in anything |
| 21:18.47 | NimbleRabit | which is ridiculous |
| 21:18.59 | Cartas | I didn't say I didn't believe in anything. |
| 21:19.03 | Silowyi | Dynom: But you're tainting the data by specifying that they existed over 1000 years. Of course a religion that existed over 1000 years is going to have 'roots' from the old days. Otherwise it wouldn't have existed that long ago. |
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| 21:19.08 | cncfanatics | vithos: but you do know its highly inprobable we're in a matrix like word |
| 21:19.18 | Silowyi | Dynom: that's logical fallacy. |
| 21:19.19 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: I consider myself an agnostic because I don't believe in any single religion or beliefstructure, but hell, there's gotta be a reason we exist, no? even though we may not know, nor recognize it.... although I have to admit I like the Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy version :P |
| 21:19.35 | vithos | cncfanatics: you have no such information to calculate a probability from |
| 21:19.50 | Dynom | Silowyi: exactly, but what religion existing from that period still 'satisfies' the need of the current lifestyle |
| 21:20.05 | Silowyi | Dynom: But if you want a religion that has completely changed a vast majority of its dogma since a thousand years ago, Catholicism and Mormonism both qualify. |
| 21:20.06 | cncfanatics | vithos, common sence is also a source of information |
| 21:20.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: i only call myself agonstic, beecause i don't care to actually explain myself to most people. it'd take too long for a relatively simple question :P |
| 21:20.28 | vithos | i'm not saying it's worthwhile to like, make decisions differently based on the possibility that we're living in dreams; of course that's rediculous. but what i'm saying is, there's just as much information to prove as well as disprove such an idea |
| 21:20.43 | Pkekyo | NightHawkTheSane: I demand an elaboration ;> |
| 21:20.47 | Silowyi | Dynom: I think that depends on your definition of needs. The amish live rather idealistic self-sufficient lives, but it's not a lifestyle I would want personally. |
| 21:20.48 | cncfanatics | vithos, can you give me information that proves it ? |
| 21:20.55 | Dynom | Silowyi: completely change isn't what I aim for, but a 'simple' female -eq male in 'value' would be a great start |
| 21:21.00 | Cartas | Can you give information that disproves it, cncfanatics? |
| 21:21.01 | vithos | cncfanatics: i jsut said, there's zero information towards and against it |
| 21:21.05 | Cartas | :) |
| 21:21.10 | Silowyi | Dynom: most protestant churches hold to that ideal. |
| 21:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: meh,i'm lazy and in the middle of a group right now ;) |
| 21:21.28 | cncfanatics | vithos, common sence says what you are seeing is real |
| 21:21.30 | vithos | all "proof" has assumptions |
| 21:21.39 | vithos | assumptions, axioms, are "common sense" |
| 21:21.46 | Cartas | So, objects really are smaller int he distance, cncfanatics? |
| 21:21.49 | Dynom | Silowyi: thats one of a huge list |
| 21:21.57 | cncfanatics | Cartas, common sence makes me think they're not actualy |
| 21:22.01 | Cartas | Why? |
| 21:22.08 | ckknight | Pkekyo: my belief structure designates that we're here of our own free will to pass the time. There's no real point besides that |
| 21:22.12 | vithos | but in fact, our assumptions may be wrong. especially in the realm of physics, there's a basic assumption that our ideas of how the universe exists that is PROBABLY wrong |
| 21:22.14 | Silowyi | Dynom: The United Methodist Church, which is the largest or second largest protestant denomination in the U.S. has even gone so far as to recommend using "gender neutral" terms to refer to God, instead of using male terms like "him" and "father" |
| 21:22.18 | Cartas | Because when you walk up to the objects, you see their 'real size', cncfanatics? |
| 21:22.22 | cncfanatics | because it sounds logical things do not change in size the further or closer ur away from them, Cartas |
| 21:22.25 | Cartas | So, your perception contradicts previous perceptions? |
| 21:22.32 | Pkekyo | ckknight: does it have a name? :) |
| 21:22.34 | cncfanatics | read the above :) |
| 21:22.41 | Dynom | Silowyi: well that is silly, if it's a man, it's a man |
| 21:22.43 | Silowyi | Dynom: I personally think that's overfocusing on a minor detail though, who cares if its Father God, Mother God, or Father and Mother God... or just God. |
| 21:22.56 | ckknight | Pkekyo: Cocoonism, but I really haven't gotten around to writing down the dogma it's based on |
| 21:23.00 | vithos | as you may have heard or may not, newton's physics does not hold on a cosmic scale. there is evidence that points to euclidian geometry not being the geometry of our universe. yet that geometry is the "common sense" that everyone has |
| 21:23.03 | Silowyi | Dynom: Assigning a gender to God is a human convenience. |
| 21:23.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Silowyi: feminazis ;) |
| 21:23.07 | Dynom | Silowyi: how about same-sex-love |
| 21:23.24 | Cartas | "There are no facts, only interpretations." |
| 21:23.31 | Pkekyo | ckknight: impressive name atleast... so in theory, you could explain it as a self-enforced REM state or such? |
| 21:23.43 | siIentium | maybe all things around you change size whenever you go towards them or further away, can you prove the contrary? |
| 21:23.52 | cncfanatics | Cartas, ofc we build our common sence around our perceptions,; which might not always be correct unfortunatly |
| 21:23.58 | cncfanatics | does that mean that 1+1 aint 2 anymore , :( |
| 21:24.10 | Dynom | Silowyi: if you only trust your eyes, little seems correct |
| 21:24.13 | Cartas | Mathematics is an abstract construct. |
| 21:24.14 | Silowyi | Dynom: Again depends on the denomination. Currently in the UMC church, same-sex marriages are not recognized, and pastors are not allowed to be gay. But there is no restriction on membership. This contradicts several passages of the Bible though so *shrug.* |
| 21:24.16 | Cartas | It was made to work, cncfanatics. |
| 21:24.29 | Dynom | Silowyi: :P |
| 21:24.32 | Cartas | When you apply it to the real world, it doesn't always work, cncfanatics. |
| 21:24.36 | slug3 | euclidian geometry doesn't hold under large gravitational fields |
| 21:24.51 | vithos | siIentium: i believe the implications of hyperbolic geometry are a bit more complicated than that. what you're talking about is an aspect of a projection of hyperbolic geometry onto a euclidian representation |
| 21:24.52 | ckknight | basically, we're all physically up in "heaven" right now. We've achieved immortality and have run out of things to do. To pass the time, we enter these existences and live our lives, learning things, experiencing things, etc. When we die in this life, we wake up in heaven and get to do it all over again |
| 21:25.05 | Silowyi | Ckknight: The matrix has you. |
| 21:25.09 | Cartas | If anything, this is Hell, ckknight. |
| 21:25.10 | Cartas | ;) |
| 21:25.29 | Dynom | ckknight: if you find the 'kill switch' (nice choice of words) do me a favor and use it |
| 21:25.31 | cncfanatics | slug3, details ? I'm only 17 so my knowledge of such things is, eh, very very limited |
| 21:25.40 | slug3 | see general relativity |
| 21:25.48 | Silowyi | Ckknight: That's an interesting philosophy, because quite frankly, from what I've observed of humankind, that's exactly how we'd likely cope with eternal existance. |
| 21:26.03 | Pkekyo | ckknight: interesting idea...does not dictate why we exist etc though..? |
| 21:26.05 | Dynom | ckknight: don't get me wrong, I love my life. But I'm very eager to find out the 'real' part of 'life' (that just became very relative, didn't it?) |
| 21:26.05 | ckknight | Silowyi: once one has achieved immortality, what is left? |
| 21:26.06 | slug3 | and 1+1 has been proven to equal 2 under the basic axioms of arithmetic, it will always hold with those axioms |
| 21:26.18 | ckknight | Pkekyo: exist here or in heaven? |
| 21:26.19 | vithos | cncfanatics: if you're really interested, a great book on this topic is "The Road to Reality: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe" by Roger Penrose |
| 21:26.20 | Cartas | Bhuddism says extinction, ckknight. |
| 21:26.26 | Pkekyo | 'heaven' |
| 21:26.37 | slug3 | the proof is several A4 sheets of (basic) set theory, it's not very fun and at one point I could reproduce it |
| 21:26.49 | ckknight | Cartas: well, I disagree. There's no reason to go extinct |
| 21:26.50 | cncfanatics | vithos, just reading up the axioms of euclidian geomitry and linking it with what slug3 said is enough to get a basic view |
| 21:26.51 | Pkekyo | ckknight: problem with beliefs and such is that there will always be a 'next level' to existence |
| 21:26.59 | Silowyi | Ckknight: Reminds me of the article I saw recently where a scientist said there's at least a 25% chance that all of our known existance is a computer simulation. |
| 21:27.01 | Cartas | What reason is there for anything, ckknight? :o |
| 21:27.04 | ckknight | Pkekyo: basically, it's a fluke |
| 21:27.14 | ckknight | Cartas: to pass the time. Outside of that, there is no reason |
| 21:27.15 | Cartas | slug3: You read 'Mathematica Principia'? |
| 21:27.21 | Silowyi | Ckknight: Because he said in 50 years, we'd be able to simulate all of known existance. |
| 21:27.22 | slug3 | Silowyi: well since there's no evidence for it, that conclusion is bollucks :p |
| 21:27.26 | Pkekyo | ckknight: it's the paradox of belief :) |
| 21:27.30 | Cartas | Why should we pass the time? What reason is there for that though? |
| 21:27.31 | Silowyi | slug3: yup ^_^ |
| 21:27.31 | Pkekyo | no way to get around it |
| 21:27.33 | slug3 | Cartas: no, that was written before set theory anyway :p |
| 21:27.38 | Cartas | Ah, okay. |
| 21:27.41 | Dynom | one day you have it all figured out, and then you listen to Mr. Smith, who tells you a little Quantum physics theory and all the suddon you get scared and prey for a happy ending |
| 21:27.42 | ckknight | Cartas: because there's nothing else to do |
| 21:27.49 | Cartas | I mean Bertrand Russel's one, slug3. |
| 21:27.56 | Cartas | Hopefully you knew that though! :o |
| 21:28.24 | Cartas | Why something rather than nothing? |
| 21:28.37 | ckknight | because it's less boring |
| 21:28.47 | ckknight | once immortality is achieved, purpose is lost |
| 21:28.48 | slug3 | I havent read russells either, I know a few of the proofs |
| 21:28.51 | slug3 | (or did know) |
| 21:28.57 | Cartas | If there was purpose to begin with. |
| 21:28.57 | ckknight | we put ourselves in this situation in order to feign purpose |
| 21:28.58 | Silowyi | I would hope though, that the fact that I, a Christian, born again, church going, Bible reading, hell and heaven believing, can still hold a civil and non-judgemental conversation considering alternate viewpoints and discussing their relative merits/dimerits open-mindedly proves that not all of us are nut jobs. |
| 21:29.14 | Silowyi | There are a few intellectual Christians out there. |
| 21:29.16 | Dynom | Silowyi: luckely |
| 21:29.20 | slug3 | well strong atheists are nut jobs also in the same way fundementalist christians are :p |
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| 21:29.28 | Cartas | Silowyi: Can you tell me how you get from 'creator of the universe' to 'diving, omnipotent being'? |
| 21:29.29 | Sole | good morning |
| 21:29.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Silowyi: as long as you don't insist that we follow your religion, or impose those religious views in any political manner on anyone else, then yes :) |
| 21:29.45 | ckknight | morning, Sole |
| 21:29.58 | Dynom | Silowyi: I think it's nice that people who beleive finds strength in them, I just don't like the fact people use it as excuse. |
| 21:30.01 | Sole | so some fackhead just spent the last 20 minutes mowing his lawn |
| 21:30.02 | ckknight | Sole: you stumbled in on a quasi-religious/philosophical discussion |
| 21:30.08 | Sole | and he finally forced me to get out of bed |
| 21:30.13 | Sole | as soon as I do, the fucker stops |
| 21:30.15 | Sole | GRR |
| 21:30.18 | Cartas | Haha. |
| 21:30.26 | Sole | ckknight: sounds like fun |
| 21:30.29 | Cartas | I suppose he needs some motivation for mowing his lawn, Sole. |
| 21:30.33 | Silowyi | Cartas: That's a philosophical point that I've struggled with myself. If a God creates a universe, that doesn't necessarily mean he's interested in interferring does it? It's possible he might just want to watch, and ultimately cares nothing about creation. |
| 21:30.35 | Sole | OH NOPE |
| 21:30.37 | Sole | there he goes again |
| 21:30.53 | Cartas | Nor does it make him all powerful, right? :o |
| 21:30.59 | Cartas | Him*, sorry. |
| 21:31.07 | Sole | so whats this religious discussion all about? |
| 21:31.12 | Ironhand | I believe in the ultimate power of staves crafted at great pains from Naxxramas drops... I'm an Atiesht |
| 21:31.15 | Silowyi | Cartas: It might just mean He has a really good computer ;) |
| 21:31.16 | Cartas | Anything and everything, Sole. |
| 21:31.19 | ckknight | Silowyi: and my idea is that we, as the creators of the universe, made it in order to experience it first-hand |
| 21:31.23 | Dynom | Sole: I saw a movie a few days go, about a killer neighbor who moeed his lawn constantly. I think the title was Disturbia |
| 21:31.45 | Sole | Dynom: lol I gotta see that movie coz I really like the actor in it |
| 21:31.49 | Cartas | ckknight: How does that work, old chap? |
| 21:31.54 | Sole | Dynom: is it any good? |
| 21:31.55 | Dynom | Sole: the chick? |
| 21:32.00 | Dynom | ye, pretty bad |
| 21:32.02 | Cartas | We create the universe? What are we in when we create the universe? Who is 'we'? |
| 21:32.03 | Dynom | good* |
| 21:32.13 | Sole | Dynom: the chick + the guy is funny |
| 21:32.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Silowyi: if you take that viewpoint, welcome to deism (sp?) |
| 21:32.18 | ckknight | Cartas: well, this universe is actually encapsulated in a computer, basically |
| 21:32.18 | Silowyi | Cartas: Ultimately that is the fundamental question in Christianity. There's more potential evidence that God exists, then that his existance actually matters to John and Jane Doe. |
| 21:32.29 | Dynom | Sole: the guy sucked HARD in Transformers if you ask me |
| 21:32.35 | Dynom | Sole: but he was better in that movie |
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| 21:32.36 | Silowyi | Cartas: however if the story of Jesus Christ is true, then God does care. |
| 21:32.41 | Sole | Dynom: he had some good moments in transformers |
| 21:32.53 | Dynom | Sole: .. nah :-| |
| 21:33.00 | Cartas | Even if the story of Jesus Christ is true, does it mean God is omnipotent and divine? :o |
| 21:33.03 | Silowyi | NightHawkTheSane: Yup, that's Deism vs Christianity in a nutshell. |
| 21:33.03 | Dynom | Sole: http://imdb.com/title/tt0486822/ |
| 21:33.05 | Sole | Dynom: Im still jelous he had megan fox on his lap |
| 21:33.09 | Dynom | very |
| 21:33.11 | cncfanatics | hmmm, what would happen if one could travel at the speed of light ? or faster ? |
| 21:33.11 | Cartas | Or just a powerful creator of the world? |
| 21:33.15 | Pkekyo | shite...how did I transform the katana manslaughter into a huge discussion about religion? :P |
| 21:33.24 | Silowyi | Cartas: depends on yoru definition of divine. But it doesn't necessarily imply omnipotence. |
| 21:33.29 | ckknight | cncfanatics: well, it can happen with quantum entanglement, theoretically |
| 21:33.32 | Dynom | Pkekyo: happends all the time ^_^ |
| 21:33.35 | slug3 | Silowyi: what is this evidence that god exists? |
| 21:33.38 | Silowyi | Cartas: Most definitions of divnity are circular. |
| 21:33.39 | Cartas | So, where does that come from, Silowyi? The God is Omnipotent idea? |
| 21:33.47 | Cartas | cncfanatics: I think scientists recently managed to make something go faster than the speed of light. |
| 21:33.54 | Cartas | Some German guys, methinks? |
| 21:33.56 | ckknight | no, Cartas |
| 21:33.57 | Pkekyo | Dynom: true, but never seen it happen to such an extent before :> |
| 21:34.03 | cncfanatics | Cartas, doubt that |
| 21:34.05 | Cartas | Was that a lie, ckknight? :o |
| 21:34.09 | cncfanatics | u'd need something that weighs 0 |
| 21:34.09 | Dynom | Pkekyo: ^_^ glad to help ;) |
| 21:34.13 | Cartas | They teleported some atoms or something? |
| 21:34.18 | Cartas | I can't remember the details. |
| 21:34.22 | Pkekyo | Cartas: speaking of german guys: "The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And one such goal is a democracy in Germany." --George Bush |
| 21:34.25 | ckknight | well, no, the phase was faster than light. each particle never went faster |
| 21:34.40 | cncfanatics | links ? |
| 21:34.40 | slug3 | there are a few logical paradoxes that remove most of the principles of a god and end up making him completely useless |
| 21:34.44 | Cartas | German should have a Monarchy. |
| 21:34.46 | ckknight | cncfanatics: google |
| 21:34.47 | Cartas | Germany* |
| 21:34.49 | Silowyi | Slug3: The primary evidence for me personally lies in supernatural and unexplained circumstances that have occured in my life. Science can't yet explain it. |
| 21:34.57 | Cartas | That wasn't a good link, ckknight! |
| 21:35.01 | Cartas | cncfanatics: www.google.com |
| 21:35.07 | Cartas | That's more like it. |
| 21:35.12 | slug3 | supernatural? |
| 21:35.18 | Silowyi | Slug3: Granted, there may be a breakthrough tomorrow that proves everything I believe in false, but that doesn't really threaten me. |
| 21:35.38 | ckknight | Silowyi: any actual recorded evidence that can be examined? |
| 21:35.59 | slug3 | anything that can be repeated? |
| 21:36.07 | Silowyi | Ckknight: Of the type I spoke of? Personal experience? No, unless you consider memories to be such. |
| 21:36.13 | ckknight | no |
| 21:36.14 | Sole | my view is that weak-minded people created religion so they wouldn't have to think for themselves but instead do things because "it says so in the bible/korran/something else" |
| 21:36.25 | Sole | that probably offended half the people in here |
| 21:36.26 | ckknight | I disagree, Sole |
| 21:36.30 | Sole | *flame suit on* |
| 21:36.30 | Cartas | If God wanted us to believe in him, he'd do something so clear that we would... which means, God does not want us to believe in him! |
| 21:36.35 | Silowyi | Ckknight: I am aware, however, of a scientific publication listing something like 140 different "evidences" for intelligent design. |
| 21:36.39 | ckknight | I believe strong-willed people created religion to control weak-minded people |
| 21:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Sole: actually, close |
| 21:36.48 | NightHawkTheSane | powerful people created religion as a means to control the masses |
| 21:36.53 | Silowyi | Ckknight: indeed many religions follow that pattern |
| 21:37.07 | Cartas | Religion sounds like government. |
| 21:37.07 | slug3 | Silowyi: are you aware of the logical paradoxes that prove that god isn't omnipotent and all knowing? |
| 21:37.10 | ckknight | Silowyi: link? |
| 21:37.14 | NightHawkTheSane | imo, that's more or less the entire driving force behind judaism/islam/christianity |
| 21:37.18 | Sole | well thats what I was trying ot say but I just had 5 hours sleep so my brain is mushy |
| 21:37.21 | Silowyi | NightHawkTheSane: It doesn't really hold out for Christianity though if you consider that everyone who "created" it ended up martyred. |
| 21:37.26 | Morghus | ckknight: People objectifies a wish, and then the "strong" organizes it to control them? ;) |
| 21:37.27 | Silowyi | Ckknight: I would have to look it up |
| 21:37.30 | cncfanatics | ckknight: google.com |
| 21:37.32 | ckknight | Silowyi: nah, not everyone |
| 21:37.37 | Cartas | Hehe, cncfanatics. :P |
| 21:37.41 | Silowyi | Slug3: logical paradoxes are rarely proof of anything. |
| 21:37.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Silowyi: well, best laid plans, and all ;) |
| 21:37.46 | Silowyi | Slug3: This statement is false. |
| 21:37.48 | Sole | religion controls the masses who don't want the trouble of thinking for themselves but instead are happy with a set of laws set out for them |
| 21:38.04 | Thrae | Cartas: Hence why it's called "belief", not "fact". There's nothing wrong with belief, as long as it stays well away from fact. |
| 21:38.23 | Cartas | There are no facts, only interpretations! |
| 21:38.28 | Pkekyo | have you ever noticed that the church always needs_more_money? even though they don't pay taxes to the state, and are probably the welthiest organizations in existence? |
| 21:38.29 | Pkekyo | 'god' is allknowing, allmighty and allpowerful, but somehow just isn't good with money... |
| 21:38.32 | cncfanatics | Thrae, something you believe in can be proven, at which point it becomes a fact |
| 21:38.55 | vithos | Silowyi: proof by contradiction |
| 21:38.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo: actually, whati find more insteresting is the way christianity has basically stolen all of its traditions and holidays from other religions, though mostly paganism |
| 21:38.57 | Silowyi | Pkekyo: depends on the church. But the constant clammering for money is one thing I detest about most modern churches. |
| 21:39.00 | Thrae | cncfanatics: But until then, it's a belief. |
| 21:39.12 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: yep. |
| 21:39.26 | Silowyi | NightHawkTheSane: TBH that's mostly to keep Christians from celebrating those holidays. |
| 21:39.29 | NightHawkTheSane | if that alone doesnt say "mechanism to control the masses" i don |
| 21:39.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i don |
| 21:39.32 | Pkekyo | Silowyi: mostly applies to the catholic church, but I see tendencies of it in the protestant church as well... |
| 21:39.35 | Silowyi | Anyway I need to go take a shower and go to dinner. |
| 21:39.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't kjnow what does |
| 21:39.39 | slug3 | Silowyi: assume god is omnipotent => god can create a stone he cannot lift => he cannot lift it => god is not omnipotent |
| 21:39.50 | Cartas | God can both create and lift the stone, slug3. |
| 21:39.53 | Silowyi | Slug3: I repeat, this statement is false. |
| 21:39.56 | Silowyi | bbl8r |
| 21:40.09 | Cartas | I'm not a Christian, but, even so, that's obviously a weak argument. |
| 21:40.14 | ckknight | Silowyi: yes, and that's fine, but it has nothing to do with God, which is the topic at hand |
| 21:40.17 | slug3 | Cartas: then if he can lift it then he can't create a stone he can't lift |
| 21:40.20 | Cartas | You're putting God into our laws of logic, slug3. |
| 21:40.21 | Pkekyo | imo, religions are good ideas turned into a belief structure used to control people so that 'holy men' will get even richer... |
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| 21:40.43 | Cartas | You don't know what kind of logical laws God is within... |
| 21:40.51 | Cartas | You claim you do though with such a statement! |
| 21:40.56 | cncfanatics | I need some sleep |
| 21:40.58 | cncfanatics | g'night everyone |
| 21:41.03 | Sole | late cnc |
| 21:41.10 | Cartas | G'night old chap!" |
| 21:41.20 | vithos | Silowyi: obviously this is nothing personal against you, especially with not knowing the details of your claim. but my belief is that such claims can be explained "by science" physiologically in that perception does not make something so, especially with the fact that the brain produces psychedelic substances naturally, and there are theories that near-death experiences/alien abduction experiences, etc could be due to the release in mass quantities of |
| 21:41.22 | slug3 | well if you can use that argument all scientific evidence becomes meaningless anyway |
| 21:41.27 | Cartas | Nope. |
| 21:41.30 | Sole | hijack discussion: anybody have a good melee build for Fury? |
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| 21:41.32 | Cartas | As it applies to us, at present, slug3. |
| 21:42.04 | Cartas | Scientific laws can, by definition, be disproved. According to Karl Popper's currently used definition. |
| 21:42.06 | Cartas | Right? :o |
| 21:42.25 | Pkekyo | vithos: scientific proof is all good, but one must also consider the fact that we're just not technologically evolved enough to prove certain things....doesn't mean they don't exist/apply, only that we do_not_know... :) |
| 21:42.27 | slug3 | well science isn't ever proven |
| 21:42.28 | Megalon | sole: 17-44-0 is the standard |
| 21:42.30 | slug3 | but this is logic |
| 21:42.48 | slug3 | which can be proven and once proven cannot be disproven unless there's a mistake |
| 21:42.55 | Sole | Megalon: Fury the game, not the warrior's fury tree :P |
| 21:42.56 | slug3 | assuming the fundemental axioms hold |
| 21:43.04 | Cartas | The mistake being we didn't know enough about it, slug3. |
| 21:43.04 | Megalon | Sole: oops :D |
| 21:43.40 | Cartas | I think proof doesn't have to be used universally. Or, we say it's proof when, years later, we realise it wasn't. Irregardless, it would still have been taken to be proof. |
| 21:44.00 | slug3 | that's not how mathematics regards proof |
| 21:44.03 | vithos | Cartas: no, i don't think you really understand formal proof |
| 21:44.09 | Cartas | Mathematics is an abstract construct? |
| 21:44.26 | Keias | Sole: 17/44 :P |
| 21:44.34 | Keias | Unless you're after like a talent calc link |
| 21:44.43 | Cartas | Sorry, vithos. I'm not a particularly sciency/proofy guy myself! |
| 21:45.05 | Sole | Keias: read what I say yo. Fury the game. |
| 21:45.34 | slug3 | once formally proved even in a different universe where all the physical laws are different it would still hold under the axioms |
| 21:45.55 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man |
| 21:45.57 | vithos | Cartas: basically, formal proof works such that it's easy to verify whether a proof is valid. if there wasn't enough information to prove something, there would be an identifiable mistake somewhere in the proof. there are even automated systems that can check proofs |
| 21:45.59 | Sole | now youre just throwing a funky word in there to make yourself sound smart |
| 21:46.00 | NightHawkTheSane | 10k maniacs without natalie merchant is just not the same >>< |
| 21:46.05 | Pkekyo | damnit...once someone start talking about religion or geopolitics I'm hooked...I'll never be able to go get that drink now :P |
| 21:46.17 | Keias | oh, sorry lol |
| 21:46.23 | Sole | :P |
| 21:46.34 | Cartas | slug3: Then how can you ever know if something is proven? |
| 21:46.37 | Cartas | Or, can't you? |
| 21:46.45 | Dynom | Let's all take 5 gentlemen |
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| 21:46.59 | slug3 | proof is just a series of implications leading to a conclusion |
| 21:47.14 | slug3 | Cartas: go and read a book on first order logic or something :p |
| 21:47.23 | Cartas | and you said the only way it can be proof if it applies everywhere until the end of time? |
| 21:47.24 | Cartas | Or, what? |
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| 21:47.43 | slug3 | it would still work beyond time! :p |
| 21:47.48 | Dynom | I'm going to bed, nn folks, enjoy the discussion |
| 21:48.08 | Cartas | So, at which point can you know it's proof? You could easily be mistaken even after it applying for millenia. |
| 21:48.15 | slug3 | no |
| 21:48.24 | slug3 | it's never wrong once proven! |
| 21:48.36 | charon | Cartas: it's a formal proof if it follows from the axioms through logical conclusions. though that won't help your discussion here since mathematics and a few formal areas of other subjects can apply that kind of reasoning |
| 21:48.47 | Cartas | When does it get proven? |
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| 21:48.56 | Cartas | slug3: Can you give me something that's proven, to help me understand, perhaps? |
| 21:48.58 | charon | *_only_ maths and... |
| 21:48.58 | ckknight | Mathematics is an exact science |
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| 21:49.13 | charon | ckknight: you tell a mathematician... |
| 21:49.36 | Cartas | Mathematics is an abstract construct that is made to work, but not in the real world. |
| 21:49.51 | ckknight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra_(logic) |
| 21:49.55 | ckknight | there's some proofs in there |
| 21:49.58 | vithos | Cartas: For any two even integers x and y we can write x = 2a and y = 2b for some integers a and b, since both x and y are multiples of 2. But the sum x + y = 2a + 2b = 2(a + b) is also a multiple of 2, so it is therefore even by definition. |
| 21:50.28 | slug3 | fundemental theorem of arithmetic is nice but if you're never done any proof theory it would take a while to write out |
| 21:50.46 | Cartas | Okay, so, the only proofs are in mathematics |
| 21:50.48 | Cartas | ? |
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| 21:51.01 | slug3 | that's a fair statement |
| 21:51.09 | slug3 | science doesn't involve proof |
| 21:51.16 | Cartas | That's what had me confused, slug3! |
| 21:51.16 | slug3 | it's just drawing conclusions from observations |
| 21:51.21 | Cartas | I assumed we were talking about science! :) |
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| 21:51.27 | ckknight | Cartas: sometimes there are proofs in science, but those are based on assumptions, so you typically have to prefix the proof with "if something is true, then" |
| 21:51.39 | Cartas | They're not really proofs though. |
| 21:51.44 | ckknight | at which point, a proper proof can come out |
| 21:51.48 | vithos | philosophy is also concerned with formal logic |
| 21:52.08 | charon | ckknight: all proofs in maths have the same form... you cannot prove anything without axioms |
| 21:52.18 | ckknight | also true :-P |
| 21:52.40 | Pkekyo | ~axioms |
| 21:52.43 | Pkekyo | ~axiom |
| 21:53.02 | Cartas | Is mathematics all a priori? |
| 21:53.08 | Punkie` | doesnt purl do wiki? |
| 21:53.13 | Punkie` | ~wiki axiom |
| 21:53.34 | charon | Cartas: what do you mean, a priori? |
| 21:53.58 | Cartas | As in, you don't know what that means, or, in my usage of it? |
| 21:54.20 | charon | i've only heard it used on the context of a priori/posteriori estimates |
| 21:54.42 | Benihime | Can anyone tell me how to edit the Pitbull aura borde.tga i tried with photoshop to improve the look but when i start wow the the whole 32x32 pixel thingie covers the whole buff not just being a border |
| 21:54.44 | Cartas | Hm, there is, perhaps, a priori and a posteriori knowledge... |
| 21:55.10 | Cartas | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_priori_and_a_posteriori_(philosophy) |
| 21:55.13 | Cartas | Here you go, Charon. |
| 21:55.52 | slug3 | all mathematics is a series of proofs that follow on from other proofs that eventually rely on the (6?) basic axioms of arithmetic |
| 21:56.26 | slug3 | 9, not 6 :p |
| 21:56.28 | charon | taking this: "a priori knowledge is independent of experience, while a posteriori knowledge is dependent on experience." |
| 21:56.35 | charon | i'd say mathematics is indeed all a priori |
| 21:56.50 | charon | simply because experience, in this sense, has nothing at all to do with mathematical reasoning |
| 21:57.21 | Cartas | I think I'm more inclined with Kant's thinking. In that mathematics such as 5 * 5 = 25 is not a priori, whereas 1 = 1 is. |
| 21:57.43 | Cartas | 5 + 7 = 12 isn't. 5 + 7 = 5 + 7 is. |
| 21:57.59 | Ominous | what port does normal http interent use |
| 21:58.00 | charon | ah |
| 21:58.04 | charon | 80 |
| 21:58.05 | vithos | Ominous: 80 |
| 21:58.11 | Ominous | thanks |
| 21:58.17 | charon | grep /etc/services |
| 21:58.29 | Cartas | Does that even make any sense, charon? Hehe... |
| 21:59.03 | vithos | doesn't make much sense to me |
| 21:59.29 | charon | Cartas: i took a lecture on the philosophy of maths and it made my head hurt |
| 21:59.42 | Cartas | Ah. |
| 21:59.51 | Pkekyo | Cartas: the basic idea of it is simple to understand, but the 'why' always hangs in the air around it |
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| 22:00.08 | ckknight | number theory is fun |
| 22:00.19 | slug3 | yes, yes it is |
| 22:00.28 | Pkekyo | true, but I always end up being ashamed 'cause I'm not really good at maths... |
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| 22:00.40 | slug3 | I was so happy when I understood the proof behind RSA |
| 22:01.19 | vithos | Cartas: a = a is one of peano's axioms. a * b = c depends on a number of the axioms. i don't see what that has to do with experience, since the only thing between the axioms and the statement involving multiplication is formal logic |
| 22:01.44 | slug3 | yup |
| 22:01.57 | slug3 | you can derive a * b = c from the axioms, it would take you a while though |
| 22:02.01 | Pkekyo | the axioms are an abstract idea, which someone decided is a rule, no? |
| 22:02.13 | slug3 | correct |
| 22:02.19 | charon | vithos: one of the problems there is that you overload the '=' |
| 22:02.26 | Pkekyo | well, that's the basics of any rule I guess |
| 22:02.38 | slug3 | well I seem to remember the first one is... 1 is a number |
| 22:02.42 | Pkekyo | slug3: who decided? :P |
| 22:03.10 | slug3 | they're all self-evident |
| 22:03.15 | slug3 | if they weren't they wouldn't be axioms |
| 22:03.21 | vithos | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms |
| 22:03.29 | Pkekyo | self-evident? howso? |
| 22:03.30 | charon | unfortunately i can't stay and discuss, four friends are waiting for me to tank sethekk hc :( bbl |
| 22:03.48 | Pkekyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.05 | Pkekyo | hmm...is hc an abbrevation of 'heroic'? |
| 22:04.23 | charon | on my server, yes, probably influenced by HardCore diablo |
| 22:04.36 | Benihime | Can anyone tell me how to draw a border without a center for WoW - .tga file cause when i draw it it appears as a whole thing not just a border ??? |
| 22:04.40 | Pkekyo | slug3: what do you mean by self-evident? |
| 22:04.51 | slug3 | like 1 is a number |
| 22:04.59 | Pkekyo | Benihime: tried drawing around the edges? |
| 22:05.05 | Benihime | yes |
| 22:05.10 | Benihime | but when the addon starts |
| 22:05.14 | Benihime | it shows everything |
| 22:05.23 | Benihime | when i open a .tga from some addon |
| 22:05.27 | Pkekyo | slug3: so it's actually based on human logics..? |
| 22:05.31 | Benihime | it's black in the middle |
| 22:05.40 | RogueShadow | Your diving into philosophy! stop it! |
| 22:05.50 | slug3 | not really |
| 22:05.50 | vithos | Pkekyo: self-evident may be a sticky term formally, but basically the axioms are just an attempt to "frame" the basics of what numbers are |
| 22:05.53 | Benihime | The Pitbull_Aura ->border.tga is what i'm talking about |
| 22:05.54 | Pkekyo | RogueShadow: whyes? :< |
| 22:05.59 | RogueShadow | n/m go ahead |
| 22:06.10 | Pkekyo | slug3: a universal truth then? if so: who decided it should be a universal truth? |
| 22:06.45 | Pkekyo | vithos: so really, it's an abstract idea decided to be a rule, explaining something we do not understand fully? |
| 22:06.55 | vithos | Pkekyo: just go read them on the page i linked :P |
| 22:07.10 | slug3 | you have to define numbers somewhere |
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| 22:07.47 | slug3 | none of them rely on any property of the universe or time though |
| 22:07.49 | Pkekyo | slug3: I agree, but in principle, they are just ideas used to illustrate a point, if you get where I'm (trying to) go? |
| 22:08.47 | slug3 | well they are ideas but any other advanced species would come up with the same axioms as they're a fundemental property of... well, beyond existence |
| 22:09.32 | Pkekyo | something tells me the human brain isn't made to -understand- why axioms are axioms, only that they are :> |
| 22:09.59 | Pkekyo | it's hard, not to ask 'why':) |
| 22:10.00 | slug3 | but I'm a mathematician not a philosopher so it's getting beyond my area of expertise :p |
| 22:10.23 | Cartas | And you haven't read Mathematica Principia? |
| 22:10.25 | Cartas | Some mathematicians! |
| 22:10.27 | Cartas | -s! |
| 22:10.32 | Pkekyo | I'm more of a philosopher than a mathematician...I can't stop asking 'but why?' :) |
| 22:10.40 | Pkekyo | besides, I kinda suck at maths ^^ |
| 22:10.54 | Megalon | well, the axioms have to be true by definition |
| 22:11.05 | sylvanaar | what the heck is the topic in this channel, im back 3 pages and i havent a clue |
| 22:11.06 | slug3 | not really a big fan of set theory :p |
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| 22:11.35 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: we've ranged from manslaughter with katanas, through religion, to maths, physics and philosophy |
| 22:11.39 | Pkekyo | :) |
| 22:11.47 | vithos | sylvanaar: i forget how this got started, but we've recently moved on from religions, to scientific proof, to the philosophy of mathematics |
| 22:12.09 | Pkekyo | vithos: it started when I was talking about manslaughter with katanas (norwegian gang wars) |
| 22:12.37 | vithos | i must have missed the link from that one. |
| 22:12.49 | sylvanaar | lets talk about how there is no way to get back to your corpse if you die at the eagle shrine during the druid flight form quest |
| 22:13.00 | Pkekyo | vithos: there was no link, I think I randomly started rambling about religion/belief |
| 22:13.21 | Pkekyo | maybe it had something to do with katanas though |
| 22:13.26 | Pkekyo | can't really remember |
| 22:13.52 | vithos | wait, i seem to remember someone talking about modern day norway |
| 22:14.03 | vithos | cost of living, taxes? |
| 22:14.06 | Pkekyo | vithos: that would be me :) |
| 22:14.24 | Pkekyo | paying 2-3 times as much as the base cost of your car as taxes in addition to the car retail price |
| 22:14.54 | sylvanaar | lrn2cuthair |
| 22:15.01 | Pkekyo | also, beer prices are horrible...I went to prague...got better (more 0.5l) beer with more alcohol at 1/10th of the price of the norwegian 0.4l |
| 22:15.20 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: relevant? |
| 22:15.36 | sylvanaar | dont haircutters make more than doctors in norway |
| 22:15.39 | slug3 | I thought the UK was bad :p |
| 22:15.48 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: probably not |
| 22:15.56 | Pkekyo | but they earn hellofalot more than nurses methinks |
| 22:16.08 | sylvanaar | its true in finland |
| 22:16.12 | Pkekyo | slug3: you're living in heaven, compared to here (except from all the fucking surveilance cameras) |
| 22:16.23 | Cartas | Why is that bad? :o |
| 22:16.39 | Pkekyo | being a doctor is pretty much the only 'status-proffesion' left in norway |
| 22:16.53 | Pkekyo | Cartas: that depends on how much you're willing to believe your own government tbh... :) |
| 22:17.06 | Cartas | I don't notice them myself. |
| 22:17.09 | RogueShadow | http://www.toilette-paper.com/jokes/racial/lifeexplained.html |
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| 22:17.16 | Cartas | Nor should anyone, really. |
| 22:17.16 | slug3 | no I don't notice them |
| 22:17.21 | Pkekyo | Cartas: alot of people don't... |
| 22:17.24 | sylvanaar | i think its that haircutters make cash and dont pay taxes on as much income |
| 22:17.46 | slug3 | not terribly happy about the congestion charge cameras being used for law enforcement though, after they were installed on the condition that they weren't going to ever do that :p |
| 22:17.54 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: not in norway... only people that pay less taxes than others here are the richest people! :P |
| 22:18.05 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 22:18.30 | sylvanaar | offshore money? |
| 22:19.06 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: oil-fund...it's not supposed to be used, apparently...better to have people on social security etc, for some obscure reason... |
| 22:19.49 | Pkekyo | the political parties talk nice about "tax reliefs"... before the elections... the normal citizen get maybe... 50NOK less taxes to pay, whilst the riches get like 5 million NOK less to pay... |
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| 22:20.34 | sylvanaar | right |
| 22:20.56 | Pkekyo | well, the numbers are not correct, but it gives you a general idea of how it works... |
| 22:21.11 | sylvanaar | though they have maybe 100x as much money too |
| 22:21.25 | Pkekyo | sylvanaar: ofcourse |
| 22:21.30 | Pkekyo | someone requested a link for the katana gang showdown a long time ago btw: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=194809 |
| 22:24.21 | Pkekyo | meh, discussion died :< |
| 22:29.23 | vithos | anyone know of a keyboard that has the home/end/pageup/pagedown keys in a vertical column on the right end of the main key area, without space between? |
| 22:29.38 | vithos | and perhaps delete. |
| 22:30.03 | Cidan | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba/ |
| 22:30.21 | Pkekyo | vithos: sadly :< |
| 22:30.45 | vithos | meh. i'm pretty sure i've seen a real keyboard like that before, i just can't remember who makes it |
| 22:31.50 | vithos | Pkekyo: sadly yes, or sadly no? |
| 22:32.01 | Pkekyo | sadly yes |
| 22:32.15 | vithos | who makes it? |
| 22:32.17 | Pkekyo | some piece of shit IBM keyboard that came with my brother's tower |
| 22:32.49 | vithos | ah, that's who i thought! but i couldn't find it via google |
| 22:32.54 | Pkekyo | doubt you can get it standalone though |
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| 23:49.40 | Pkekyo | can't believe I've never seen Dumb and Dumber before...this is ace! |
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| 23:52.03 | Neebler | WOOT Avion is up on the svn |
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| 23:54.38 | Pkekyo | Avion? |
| 23:54.50 | Pkekyo | ~avion |
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