| 00:00.10 | Yarrlipsis | the first time I tried it, I had a lot of texture glitches, but those seem to have gotten worked out over time |
| 00:02.40 | TNSe | the default blizzard ui has started jumping behind fubar all the time |
| 00:02.47 | TNSe | and I don't see any reason for it to start doing that :P |
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| 00:03.02 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8472.0 |
| 00:03.24 | Industrial | stupid people :@ |
| 00:04.39 | _rane | well, i could get rid of the debuffs and buffs in pitbull, any suggestions for an addon that shows enemy debuffs with countdowns? |
| 00:04.51 | darchon | ckknight: http://star4u.org/wow/PitBull_koKR.patch player's Focus and pet Focus are same in english but different in korean. Also, Neutral have same problem. |
| 00:05.11 | Yarrlipsis | Industrial, how can you click on a thread entitled "Assistance required with a Mod addon" and expect anything more? |
| 00:05.56 | durcyn | the OP wasn't the problem, it was the intervening twit that claimed muting bugsack is a fix for errors |
| 00:06.05 | durcyn | and my brain hurts after reading that |
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| 00:06.32 | Yarrlipsis | well there's that too |
| 00:06.36 | Yarrlipsis | but still |
| 00:06.47 | Industrial | if I were a mod i'd delete that thread |
| 00:06.50 | Yarrlipsis | you just gotta have patience when you're reading these forums... |
| 00:06.58 | Yarrlipsis | endless patience... |
| 00:07.05 | Yarrlipsis | more patience than any human on earth probably has... |
| 00:07.10 | Yarrlipsis | ok, I see your point |
| 00:07.11 | Industrial | Yarrlipsis: take a look at my post history |
| 00:07.45 | Yarrlipsis | I'm quite familiar with it :P |
| 00:08.03 | Industrial | 90% of it is me trying to bump into people to make them realise that what they are doing is not helping everyone elese - in the process often not helping everyone else either |
| 00:08.09 | Funkeh` | Changed the forum a bit again |
| 00:08.12 | Funkeh` | The addons section |
| 00:08.15 | Funkeh` | Wotcha think? |
| 00:08.28 | Yarrlipsis | looks much better |
| 00:08.35 | Industrial | same |
| 00:08.38 | Industrial | nn |
| 00:08.44 | Industrial | btw yay to moderation |
| 00:08.45 | Funkeh` | nn |
| 00:08.51 | Funkeh` | =p |
| 00:09.12 | Necrathex | funny thread ^^ |
| 00:13.46 | Yarrlipsis | Funkeh`, any chance of more sections being added instead of just the old 4? |
| 00:13.57 | Funkeh` | Like? |
| 00:14.07 | Yarrlipsis | I'm thinking a "Combat" or "Timers" section would be pretty helpful |
| 00:14.48 | Yarrlipsis | combat if you're going for the Ace Categories organization |
| 00:14.51 | Funkeh` | Maybe tomorrow, not in the mood to scan sort and move posts tonight |
| 00:14.59 | Yarrlipsis | kk |
| 00:15.00 | ckknight | cya all later |
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| 00:15.12 | Funkeh` | cya ckknight |
| 00:15.19 | Yarrlipsis | an inventory or item-related addons section might be worth considering too |
| 00:15.43 | Funkeh` | Not really, theres a maximum of 4 inventory addons on the repository. |
| 00:16.20 | Yarrlipsis | yes, but lots of others like KCI, Mendeleev, etc. that are really just item info type stuff |
| 00:16.44 | Yarrlipsis | *shrug* just a suggestion |
| 00:17.15 | Funkeh` | maybe |
| 00:17.54 | Yarrlipsis | it depends whether you're going for just a few major categories or a bunch of specific ones |
| 00:18.00 | Yarrlipsis | not sure which would be easier to moderate, really |
| 00:18.15 | Yarrlipsis | but having the giant catch-all isn't working so well, as far as I can tell |
| 00:18.41 | kenlyric | tags instead of categories, imho |
| 00:18.58 | JoshBorke | tags are good |
| 00:19.12 | darchon | Can anybody help me? http://star4u.org/wow/PitBull_koKR.patch Player's Focus and pet Focus are same in english but different in korean. Also, Neutral have same problem. |
| 00:19.42 | Funkeh` | What do you mean by tags? |
| 00:20.17 | Yarrlipsis | I don't think the forum software does tags o.O |
| 00:20.25 | ben_ | where do I report librock bugs |
| 00:20.41 | Funkeh` | jira somewhere |
| 00:20.57 | ben_ | effort :[ |
| 00:21.26 | Funkeh` | Oh no.. not effort.. |
| 00:21.37 | Yarrlipsis | effort is eeeeeevil |
| 00:21.39 | Yarrlipsis | EEEEVIL |
| 00:22.13 | Yarrlipsis | ben_, if you're just too lazy to register, PM me the details and I'll post it for you because I'm nice and have nothing better to do all day |
| 00:22.31 | CIA-22 | 03ackis * r49317 10AckisRecipeList/ (. AckisRecipeList.lua AckisRecipeList.toc): |
| 00:22.31 | CIA-22 | AckisRecipeList: Initial commit |
| 00:22.31 | CIA-22 | - Scans trade skills and prints out a list of recipes which are not known, and where to find them. |
| 00:22.39 | kenlyric | tags, essentially, allowing you to assign multiple categories to a single object. |
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| 00:25.55 | ckknight_ | hey all, back |
| 00:26.49 | Funkeh` | ckkscurvy: WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG |
| 00:27.06 | ckkscurvy | traffic? |
| 00:27.14 | CIA-22 | 03ackis * r49318 10AckisRecipeList/ (. AckisRecipeList.toc): |
| 00:27.14 | CIA-22 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 00:27.14 | CIA-22 | -Added externals (hopefully) |
| 00:27.19 | Funkeh` | k I'll forgive you |
| 00:28.27 | darchon | ckkscurvy: http://star4u.org/wow/PitBull_koKR.patch Player's Focus and pet Focus are same in english but different in korean. Also, Neutral have same problem. |
| 00:29.10 | Yarrlipsis | ben, posted @ http://jira.wowace.com/browse/ROCK-47 :) |
| 00:29.14 | ckkscurvy | darchon: um, pet doesn't have a focus |
| 00:29.25 | ckkscurvy | darchon: pet has a target |
| 00:29.27 | Yarrlipsis | ckkscurvy, I think he means the power type |
| 00:29.31 | ckkscurvy | oh... |
| 00:29.39 | ckkscurvy | players don't have focus, then |
| 00:29.47 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 00:29.51 | darchon | ckkscurvy: yes... power type |
| 00:29.51 | Ackis | well i fouled up those externals |
| 00:29.52 | Yarrlipsis | *sigh* |
| 00:29.53 | ben | woop |
| 00:29.58 | ben | thanks |
| 00:30.01 | Yarrlipsis | np |
| 00:30.51 | Yarrlipsis | yes please! |
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| 00:32.11 | ben | seconded |
| 00:32.43 | NeoTron | hunters were supposed to have focus |
| 00:32.55 | NeoTron | but they failed to implement it in a way that was satisfactory... |
| 00:33.03 | NavrasUS | h8 blizz for that |
| 00:33.17 | NeoTron | not really |
| 00:33.23 | Starrrrr | ckkscurvy: got my message from earlier? |
| 00:33.27 | NeoTron | Imagine Energy that doesn't regen unless you stand still |
| 00:33.31 | Starrrrr | about cowtip showing odd tooltips? |
| 00:33.35 | Codayus | Well, better that they have mana than a BAD implementation of focus. |
| 00:33.42 | ckkscurvy | Starrrrr: sure didn't |
| 00:33.47 | Codayus | But if they'd found a way to make focus fun... |
| 00:33.51 | Starrrrr | ckkscurvy: kk |
| 00:33.55 | NavrasUS | yeah. . . |
| 00:33.59 | NeoTron | imagine kiting if there was no way to regain "energy" except standing still |
| 00:34.04 | NeoTron | kind of would put a damper on that |
| 00:35.14 | WantACookie | Not for free |
| 00:35.43 | Starrrrr | ckkscurvy: sent it again. going to bed now. oh and the cowtip thing happens totally random |
| 00:35.54 | ckkscurvy | I didn't get a message |
| 00:36.01 | Starrrrr | :( |
| 00:36.13 | ckkscurvy | Starrrrr: likely cause you're not registered with nickserv cause of pirateyness |
| 00:36.24 | Starrrrr | hm |
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| 00:37.42 | Stann | *tries to find not taken nick* |
| 00:38.47 | Stanzilla | ckkscurvy: got it now? |
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| 00:41.31 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49319 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 00:41.31 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0 - now if any field is prefixed with "gui", e.g. name => guiName, it will be looked at. |
| 00:41.31 | CIA-22 | - add better support for AceOptions. |
| 00:41.31 | CIA-22 | - add a system to check AceConsole for config tables (like Niagara). |
| 00:41.39 | ckkscurvy | test that |
| 00:42.15 | ckkscurvy | Stanzilla: the issue with Starrrrr is that I didn't know it was you, even |
| 00:42.18 | ckkscurvy | :-P |
| 00:42.23 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 00:42.25 | CIA-22 | 03roartindon * r49320 10Assessment/Modules/Healing.lua: Assessment: Change to Prayer of Mending tracking |
| 00:42.34 | Stanzilla | damn piratation :P |
| 00:43.35 | Stanzilla | well "Stan" was taken, so was "Stan_" now I'm Stanzilla and Stanzilla is going to bed now :) |
| 00:43.41 | CIA-22 | 03ackis * r49321 10AckisRecipeList/: |
| 00:43.41 | CIA-22 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 00:43.41 | CIA-22 | -Externals fixed? |
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| 00:43.47 | Stanzilla | and this is what I wrote all the time http://ace.pastey.net/74114 |
| 00:43.51 | Stanzilla | gn8 fellas |
| 00:44.00 | Ackis | alrighty... |
| 00:45.16 | Ackis | http://ace.pastey.net/74115 <-- that's what I'm setting up as the externals for the svn, yet I'm getting an error... I used another mod as an example + the guide on the wiki |
| 00:45.59 | Yarrlipsis | what error are you getting? :P |
| 00:47.02 | Ackis | that'd be helpful eh? |
| 00:47.14 | Ackis | URL: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/AceLibrary/ doesn't exist |
| 00:47.43 | Yarrlipsis | it's under trunk/Ace2/AceLibrary I believe |
| 00:48.05 | Yarrlipsis | missed the Ace2 in there somewhere :P |
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| 00:48.41 | Ackis | i think that's what I did the first time and got the same error... the example on the wiki has Ace2 in it, the mod I used as an example doesn't |
| 00:48.57 | Yarrlipsis | also just a note but it looks like your .toc is referencing "libs" and your svn externals "Libs" |
| 00:50.02 | Yarrlipsis | that's odd, because http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace2/AceLibrary/ works in a browser, surely the svn should be able to find it? |
| 00:50.27 | Ackis | yah I had changed that during a commit... I'll try again... just trying to avoid the commit spam to the channel :) |
| 00:50.37 | aestil | ok, so rocklib is 350kbs, and ace2 is 4.5 MB when loaded. i'm confused why the ace3 team is worried about unecesary bloat. |
| 00:50.59 | Yarrlipsis | to be fair, ace2 is getting used and abused by far more addons at the moment :P |
| 00:51.09 | Mudkips_yarrgh | yarrgh I agree |
| 00:51.12 | aestil | mmm. probably not for me. |
| 00:51.27 | aestil | i guess ark inventory is probably raping it. |
| 00:51.43 | WobWork | aestil: because Ace2 is hardly the measurestick with which we want to compare to |
| 00:51.45 | WantACookie | My ace2 is no where near 4mb on login |
| 00:52.06 | WantACookie | So its probably being blamed for something |
| 00:52.06 | WobWork | aestil: anything written with the idea that ace2 is bloated is going to be less than ace2 |
| 00:52.20 | Mudkips_yarrgh | WantACookie, its not? |
| 00:52.24 | Mudkips_yarrgh | it sure is for me |
| 00:52.24 | Yarrlipsis | currently ingame Ace2 is reporting ~4MiB and LibRock-1.0 just under 1MiB |
| 00:52.26 | TecnoBrat | hmmmm FuBar-Locale-enUS.lua:1: attempt to call global 'Rock' (a nil value) |
| 00:52.32 | CIA-22 | 03ackis * r49322 10AckisRecipeList/: |
| 00:52.32 | CIA-22 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 00:52.32 | CIA-22 | -Go go power externals? |
| 00:52.34 | Yarrlipsis | so it's probably very dependent on your setup |
| 00:52.38 | Mudkips_yarrgh | 9mb+ when doing my usuals |
| 00:52.41 | aestil | thats reasonable |
| 00:52.58 | aestil | i'm using all available rock mods right now. |
| 00:53.05 | aestil | cause i used the ace2 versions of them previously. |
| 00:53.17 | ckkscurvy | TecnoBrat: didn't update properly |
| 00:53.30 | Mudkips_yarrgh | aestil, available like which? arrr |
| 00:53.32 | ckkscurvy | TecnoBrat: make sure to get all the dependencies (or externals) |
| 00:53.42 | Yarrlipsis | if you have NShakedown, try running a shakedown and see how it compares then, aestil? |
| 00:53.56 | aestil | wobbin, i can apprecaite that persective, but seriously, 300kb is pretty small, is there that much more to be gained? |
| 00:54.08 | J[SS] | 8:52 < CIA-22> ackis * r49322 AckisRecipeList/: |
| 00:54.08 | J[SS] | 18:52 < CIA-22> AckisRecipeList: |
| 00:54.20 | aestil | i don't have nshakedown. i thought that was so youc ould setup all your mods at once. |
| 00:54.32 | Yarrlipsis | it is, but it has the side effect of making addons do something |
| 00:54.39 | aestil | ah. |
| 00:54.47 | CIA-22 | 03sayclub * r49323 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 00:54.47 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0: |
| 00:54.47 | CIA-22 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 00:54.49 | Yarrlipsis | e.g. putting PitBull into config mode so all the frames are created, etc. |
| 00:55.12 | Yarrlipsis | when I run a shakedown Ace2 goes up to 5+MiB and Rock just barely hits 1 |
| 00:55.23 | aestil | i'll put parrot and pitbull in config mode. |
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| 00:56.23 | aestil | yeah, it put lib rock to just above 1mb. |
| 00:56.35 | TecnoBrat | ckkscurvy, I think WAU isn't downloading those dependencies |
| 00:56.42 | Yarrlipsis | I've actually found that NShakedown is quite handy for getting a good feel for performance undeer load |
| 00:56.47 | ckkscurvy | do you have auto-download dependencies on? |
| 00:56.49 | ckkscurvy | check your settings |
| 00:56.52 | ckkscurvy | also check WAU's version |
| 00:56.55 | TecnoBrat | I do |
| 00:57.04 | aestil | tecnobrat, make sure you're using a supported version of the WAU |
| 00:57.10 | aestil | if you aren't, you're just wasting your time. |
| 00:57.18 | TecnoBrat | ~wau |
| 00:57.18 | purl | somebody said wau was WowAceUpdater, found at http://sf.net/projects/wowaceupdater - Easy mass update to all the addons you have installed from the Wowace repository, where many Ace addons reside. |
| 00:57.20 | aestil | 1.9.44.654 i think? |
| 00:57.40 | TecnoBrat | hmmm |
| 00:58.24 | TecnoBrat | good thing the "self updating versipn" doesnt update itself |
| 00:58.56 | Funkeh` | Yes it does |
| 00:59.03 | Funkeh` | Just not from .43 to .44 |
| 00:59.15 | Funkeh` | You need to uninstall and install again |
| 01:00.12 | Yarrlipsis | it's all on the forums :P |
| 01:00.31 | Funkeh` | purl, no, WAU is WowAceUpdater, found at http://www.wowace.com/wau/publish.htm - Easy mass update to all the addons you have installed from the Wowace repository, where many Ace addons reside. |
| 01:00.31 | purl | okay, Funkeh` |
| 01:00.47 | Funkeh` | ~wau |
| 01:00.48 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, wau is WowAceUpdater, found at http://www.wowace.com/wau/publish.htm - Easy mass update to all the addons you have installed from the Wowace repository, where many Ace addons reside. |
| 01:01.38 | aestil | purl confuses me most of the time |
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| 01:04.29 | WobWork | purl? confuse? |
| 01:05.18 | ckkscurvy | purl sucks |
| 01:05.19 | purl | only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
| 01:05.22 | ckkscurvy | hehe |
| 01:06.18 | Yarrlipsis | bah |
| 01:06.39 | Yarrlipsis | kara key frags are in SV and Arc, right? |
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| 01:07.23 | Ackis | after you get the SL one yes |
| 01:07.29 | Yarrlipsis | kk, thanks |
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| 01:13.38 | CIA-22 | 03darchon * r49324 10PitBull/ (28 files in 27 dirs): |
| 01:13.38 | CIA-22 | PitBull |
| 01:13.38 | CIA-22 | - Added koKR localization |
| 01:15.22 | Yarrlipsis | ckkscurvy, is the AceOptions compatibility not quite compatible yet? |
| 01:15.28 | ckkscurvy | Yarrlipsis: got a bug? |
| 01:15.47 | aestil | today is a glorious day. i think i figured out how to script my resize grid panels properly. |
| 01:15.55 | Yarrlipsis | [2007/09/19 18:13:43-17-x4]: LibRockConfig-1.0: Field "args" not found for `SpellBinder'.: |
| 01:16.21 | aestil | is aceoptions compat supposed to be rock config for ace mods? |
| 01:16.23 | Yarrlipsis | I don't recall SpellBinder actually having an AceOptions table, come to think of it.... |
| 01:16.47 | Yarrlipsis | it doesn't show in Niagara and the slash command just opens the SpellBinder window o.O |
| 01:16.48 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49325 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - check to see if subgroups are hidden before showing the +/- expand dealy. |
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| 01:17.56 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49326 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - make sure to only gleam options where the option table has type = 'group'. |
| 01:18.14 | ckkscurvy | aestil: basically, Rock config works as Niagara now |
| 01:18.16 | ckkscurvy | sorta |
| 01:18.23 | ckkscurvy | k, Yarrlipsis |
| 01:18.35 | aestil | i'm in game, and just updated ckk. do i have to disable niagara to make that happen? |
| 01:18.44 | ckkscurvy | no, they're separate |
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| 01:22.16 | CIA-22 | 03ackis * r49327 10AckisRecipeList/: |
| 01:22.16 | CIA-22 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 01:22.16 | CIA-22 | - Externals should be fixed finally. |
| 01:22.31 | aestil | wierd, rock config only shows rock mods. |
| 01:22.40 | NavrasUS | ... |
| 01:22.52 | Yarrlipsis | update? :P |
| 01:23.06 | Yarrlipsis | btw ckkscurvy error is gone with r49326, thanks <3 |
| 01:23.06 | aestil | i did 50 minutes ago. things move fast. |
| 01:23.14 | Yarrlipsis | and now I can use Rock instead of Niagara, woot |
| 01:23.23 | aestil | i'll wait until that error hits the svn. |
| 01:23.43 | ckkscurvy | you mean files |
| 01:23.45 | Yarrlipsis | i just got 49326 from the files page |
| 01:23.52 | Yarrlipsis | so you should be safe to update :P |
| 01:24.08 | aestil | WAU has 49314 still. |
| 01:24.16 | sb | uhm - what else should be in rock config? |
| 01:24.33 | aestil | waterfall is a depenency for alot of mods right? you still need waterfall, just not niagara? |
| 01:24.34 | ckkscurvy | strippers and blackjack? |
| 01:24.45 | ckkscurvy | aestil: I guess so |
| 01:24.46 | ckkscurvy | *shrug* |
| 01:24.51 | aestil | you really like Blackjack CKK. i'm guessing you're a card counter. |
| 01:24.56 | Yarrlipsis | yeah aestil, a lot of addons (sadly) break without it, even if you're not opening their configs :( |
| 01:25.04 | ckkscurvy | card counting is actually pretty easy for a game like blackjack |
| 01:25.11 | ckkscurvy | for poker and stuff like that, it's freakishly hard |
| 01:25.26 | Funkeh` | indeed |
| 01:25.40 | Yarrlipsis | oh, I promise this is the last issue, ckkscurvy... |
| 01:25.51 | Yarrlipsis | but you probably shouldn't be able to configure FuBar panels that you've just deleted |
| 01:25.52 | Funkeh` | Yarrlipsis: liar |
| 01:25.54 | Yarrlipsis | =[ |
| 01:26.12 | Yarrlipsis | no, really, I'm about to do a 5-man so I'll shut up for a while :P |
| 01:26.48 | aestil | funkey, i liked your drama rules. |
| 01:26.53 | aestil | full of win. |
| 01:27.20 | ckkscurvy | drama rules? |
| 01:27.22 | Funkeh` | Are you being sarcastic or? |
| 01:27.25 | ckkscurvy | Yarrlipsis: um, you can't |
| 01:27.56 | Funkeh` | and it was mainly tek that came up with them |
| 01:28.07 | aestil | no. not sarcasm? |
| 01:28.18 | aestil | happier forums hopefully cause of them. |
| 01:28.25 | WobWork | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/18/blizzard_disbands_roleplay_guild/print.html |
| 01:28.27 | WobWork | O.O |
| 01:28.29 | Funkeh` | If only it worked like that |
| 01:28.32 | Yarrlipsis | I deleted my second FuBar and I still have options in the Rock window for it... |
| 01:28.57 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49328 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - now properly show if UIParent is hidden. |
| 01:29.15 | ckkscurvy | Yarrlipsis: sure you didn't have a third? |
| 01:29.22 | ckkscurvy | Yarrlipsis: also, do you have any errors? |
| 01:30.00 | Yarrlipsis | definitely haven't had a third since i nuked the vars, and no other errors |
| 01:30.15 | Yarrlipsis | it might be a fluke, I'll see if I can reproduce it |
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| 01:31.29 | ckkscurvy | btw, Antiarrrrrrc, fixed your issue |
| 01:31.38 | Antiarrrrrrc | Yeah, figured that's what the commit was |
| 01:31.50 | Antiarrrrrrc | But I still won't be able to see the herb icons with a giant-ass box in the way to size them properly >_> |
| 01:32.35 | sb | oh.. many addons in rockconfig ;o |
| 01:33.12 | aestil | i could have sworn i asked ckk if that would happen and he said no. i'm glad remember that mistakenly :) |
| 01:33.37 | ckkscurvy | I don't remember saying that |
| 01:33.53 | ckkscurvy | but basically, I wanted to provide AceOptions support so upgrading could be easy |
| 01:33.58 | aestil | like i said, i'm glad i was mistaken. |
| 01:34.03 | ckkscurvy | and then I thought, well, why not make it like Niagara |
| 01:34.10 | ckkscurvy | and thus, you have the pwnage |
| 01:34.19 | aestil | i do have the pwnage. its like, face pwnage. |
| 01:34.23 | aestil | in the throat. |
| 01:34.24 | ckkscurvy | now to delete over half of my jira tickets |
| 01:34.24 | Yarrlipsis | well, after a reload I can't seem to reproduce that glitch |
| 01:34.33 | Yarrlipsis | so either I missed something or it was just a one-off |
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| 01:35.04 | aestil | i still don't understand, how the blowback dmg from SW:D gets reported properly when i absorb it with a PW:S but not when I actually take dmg. |
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| 01:35.27 | Funkeh` | strange |
| 01:35.45 | Funkeh` | I don't think its possible to find out the damage done when absorbed |
| 01:35.56 | aestil | yeah, i'm sorry funkeh, that came out wrong. |
| 01:36.02 | WobWork | hehe I love how pidgin autoconverts SW:D and makes the :D a smiley |
| 01:36.07 | aestil | it shows SW:D (absorb) |
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| 01:36.17 | aestil | when you take dmg it shows unknown (1605 |
| 01:36.20 | WobWork | it makes the spell seem so much friendlier |
| 01:36.37 | Yarrlipsis | yeah, it's like :D stands for something happy instead of Death |
| 01:36.42 | sb | mh ckkscurvy, wtf teflon wallpaper? :p |
| 01:36.49 | ckkscurvy | that's Tekkub |
| 01:36.53 | sb | oh okay |
| 01:37.32 | aestil | also, since mana spring totem shows in the combat log as YOU +12 mana, shouldn't that get throttled with VT? |
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| 01:38.17 | sb | ckkscurvy: TalentSpec is party/raid (say: group)-only. right? |
| 01:38.22 | Antiarrrrrrc | Likely not as it's a different gain source |
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| 01:39.12 | ckkscurvy | sb: no, anyone |
| 01:39.21 | aestil | anyone running comm |
| 01:39.27 | sb | oh - there is a query if you target someone? |
| 01:39.28 | aestil | oh yeah, that went in. whats the dogtag? |
| 01:39.33 | ckkscurvy | sb: yep, it whispers |
| 01:39.36 | ckkscurvy | [TalentSpec] |
| 01:39.38 | sb | oh :o |
| 01:39.42 | ckkscurvy | you can query through guild, group, or whisper |
| 01:40.21 | aestil | [IsPlayer?ClassColor:TalentSpec] |
| 01:40.46 | aestil | is that correct? |
| 01:40.48 | ckkscurvy | no |
| 01:40.52 | aestil | I fail |
| 01:40.57 | ckkscurvy | quite. |
| 01:41.02 | aestil | i'm used to it. |
| 01:41.14 | ckkscurvy | [TalentSpec:ClassColor] would work |
| 01:41.26 | Antiarrrrrrc | ckkscurvy: Is that just x/y/z or what? |
| 01:41.28 | ckkscurvy | yes. |
| 01:41.30 | Antiarrrrrrc | Does it include specific talent info? |
| 01:41.33 | Antiarrrrrrc | Behind the scenes? |
| 01:41.37 | Antiarrrrrrc | Or is the comms just x/y/z? |
| 01:41.43 | ckkscurvy | no, it gives everything. |
| 01:41.48 | ckkscurvy | you just have to interpret it properly |
| 01:41.50 | ckkscurvy | it's on the wiki |
| 01:41.54 | ckkscurvy | let's see |
| 01:41.55 | ckkscurvy | ~rock |
| 01:41.55 | purl | it has been said that rock is an addon framework for World of Warcraft written by ckknight. More information is available at http://wowace.com/wiki/Rock. what we're all about, it's what we live for, c'mon shout it out, or what we're going to do to blow your hair to the back of the auditorium. |
| 01:42.14 | ckkscurvy | http://wowace.com/wiki/LibRockComm-1.0#:AddTalentReceptor.28callback.29 |
| 01:42.16 | ckkscurvy | there we are |
| 01:42.18 | aestil | how soon before i can hook it into talented ckk? |
| 01:42.27 | ckkscurvy | *shrug* I'm not the author of talented |
| 01:42.40 | ckkscurvy | Antiarrrrrrc: it gives the number of points spent on each talent |
| 01:42.47 | ckkscurvy | but you have to have the talent tree known locally |
| 01:42.54 | ckkscurvy | it doesn't send names or icons or anything |
| 01:42.56 | ckkscurvy | just numbers |
| 01:43.11 | sb | uhm ckkscurvy - does it query librockcomm or dogtag? (which addon responds to talentspec queries?) |
| 01:43.18 | ckkscurvy | LibRockComm-1.0 |
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| 01:43.21 | sb | oh |
| 01:43.26 | Antiarrrrrrc | ckkscurvy: Great |
| 01:44.00 | ckkscurvy | Antiarrrrrrc: so if you have something like Talented, you could show their whole trees, but otherwise you've just got numbers |
| 01:44.09 | Antiarrrrrrc | Right. |
| 01:44.11 | ckkscurvy | since DogTag only needs the amount per tree, it adds up the nubmers |
| 01:44.13 | ckkscurvy | numbers* |
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| 01:44.16 | Antiarrrrrrc | I'll probably right a light interface for it or something |
| 01:44.19 | Funkeh` | ckkscurvy: err, how does that belong in there? O_o |
| 01:44.20 | ckkscurvy | write |
| 01:44.21 | Antiarrrrrrc | Like in a tablet or something |
| 01:44.21 | ckkscurvy | awesome |
| 01:44.23 | ckkscurvy | that'd be pimp |
| 01:44.51 | ckkscurvy | right-click Inspect Talents :-P |
| 01:45.05 | sb | mhh isnt that pretty much in-game traffic? :P (whisper, addon chan, blah) |
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| 01:45.19 | ckkscurvy | yep, sb |
| 01:45.38 | sb | so? doesnt matter? :P |
| 01:45.45 | ckkscurvy | Funkeh`: by putting it there, it's the only practical way to make it so "everyone" has it |
| 01:45.49 | ckkscurvy | sb: what doesn't |
| 01:45.50 | ckkscurvy | ? |
| 01:46.04 | sb | traffic/possible lag it can cause |
| 01:46.10 | sb | dont know how much it is :) |
| 01:46.14 | ckkscurvy | it's very little traffic |
| 01:46.22 | ckkscurvy | like 10 bytes per ping, 50 bytes per pong |
| 01:46.25 | ckkscurvy | if that. |
| 01:46.26 | Antiarrrrrrc | It's cached, I assume |
| 01:46.30 | WobWork | everyone? |
| 01:46.31 | ckkscurvy | well, DogTag caches |
| 01:46.38 | ckkscurvy | WobWork: I used quotes |
| 01:46.41 | aestil | how often does it ask? |
| 01:46.42 | WobWork | oh |
| 01:46.44 | WobWork | "everyone" |
| 01:46.45 | Antiarrrrrrc | I'd cache on the comms layer, to be honest |
| 01:46.47 | aestil | like if i target someone? |
| 01:46.48 | ckkscurvy | aestil: once per session |
| 01:47.01 | aestil | thats sexy then. i like it. |
| 01:47.13 | ckkscurvy | Antiarrrrrrc: ah, nah, it doesn't really fit into the system |
| 01:47.24 | ckkscurvy | Antiarrrrrrc: also it'd create a lot of pointless garbage if done wrong |
| 01:47.28 | aestil | so, if someone respec's, then i'll be wrong, if its in this session that they respeced? |
| 01:47.30 | Antiarrrrrrc | Well, arguably, talent comms don't belong in the system at all :P |
| 01:47.34 | Antiarrrrrrc | So may as well go full hog *grin* |
| 01:47.35 | ckkscurvy | yes, aestil |
| 01:47.51 | ckkscurvy | Antiarrrrrrc: well, Blizzard should have it ingame by default, imho |
| 01:48.01 | aestil | thats an acceptable solution. |
| 01:48.10 | Antiarrrrrrc | I agree, but I just don't think it's in the right place where it is. But we had this conversation like 6 months ago so meh. :) |
| 01:48.14 | WobWork | ckkscurvy: nah |
| 01:48.19 | WobWork | ckkscurvy: that's what the armoury is for |
| 01:48.19 | ckkscurvy | Antiarrrrrrc: there's no right place |
| 01:48.26 | WobWork | it's an external source for that information |
| 01:48.27 | ckkscurvy | WobWork: agreed, but I don't want to alt-tab |
| 01:48.28 | WobWork | but it's not ingame |
| 01:48.29 | Antiarrrrrrc | ckkscurvy: Sure there is - standalone addon |
| 01:48.36 | Antiarrrrrrc | share and see others' talent specs |
| 01:48.43 | Antiarrrrrrc | People will spread it because they want to see others' specs ingame |
| 01:48.48 | ckkscurvy | but then only a few people would have it |
| 01:48.55 | ckkscurvy | cause some people just don't care |
| 01:48.57 | Antiarrrrrrc | It would spread quickly if it had value |
| 01:49.20 | ckkscurvy | there's a flaw in your logic: |
| 01:49.23 | ckkscurvy | some people still use Titan |
| 01:49.39 | WobWork | people who want to use it, ie, arena players would certainly download it |
| 01:49.51 | ckkscurvy | well, you can't query the other arena team |
| 01:50.03 | WobWork | meh, what's the point then =P |
| 01:50.16 | ckkscurvy | PUGs and the like |
| 01:50.17 | WobWork | but I can see why not, there |
| 01:50.36 | Funkeh` | Thats a lie |
| 01:50.37 | WobWork | seems a waste of processing power, really |
| 01:50.42 | Funkeh` | you can query them if they are from your server |
| 01:50.48 | Funkeh` | whisper |
| 01:51.09 | ckkscurvy | no, Funkeh`, it specifically prevents that |
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| 01:51.32 | Funkeh` | ckkscurvy: You can whisper normally to enemys on your server |
| 01:51.37 | Funkeh` | I don't see why not |
| 01:51.38 | ckkscurvy | yes |
| 01:51.48 | aestil | are you guys objecting becuase you've observed that its a drain on resources, or because it seems easy to say that it is? |
| 01:51.48 | ckkscurvy | because LibRockComm-1.0 prevents you from replying if you're in arena |
| 01:51.59 | aestil | once per session seems like a very small price to play. |
| 01:52.11 | ckkscurvy | and that's only if you have an addon that queries |
| 01:52.21 | ckkscurvy | it will never query automatically for you, you have to do it manually |
| 01:52.28 | ckkscurvy | (well, an addon would) |
| 01:52.36 | aestil | so, only when i put the dogtag in, did it query the talents? |
| 01:52.49 | Antiarrrrrrc | I think the marginal gain for putting it in comms as opposed to an addon that does-as-advertised is really low |
| 01:53.16 | Antiarrrrrrc | And I think that if it was something that many people found valuable, it would spread quickly |
| 01:53.25 | sb | mh i dont think so... very few users would use it (compared to those who already use e.g. cartographer) |
| 01:53.29 | ckkscurvy | I still think that if people just had the addon, then it'd only work in fringe cases |
| 01:53.36 | Antiarrrrrrc | Threat mods are a great example. PEople tell others to get threat mods all the time so they can see threat, but that implicitly gets them broadcasting threat too |
| 01:53.58 | ckkscurvy | well, yes, but that's because threat is so vital |
| 01:54.04 | ckkscurvy | at least for raiding mods et al |
| 01:54.16 | Antiarrrrrrc | Class leaders want to see and analyze their raid members' specs regularly |
| 01:54.19 | aestil | i think the point is antiarc, if you don't want to use it, put no dogtag in that calls it? |
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| 01:54.45 | WobWork | what if I don't want to broadcast my spec? |
| 01:54.47 | Antiarrrrrrc | I'm the GoG raid class leader and I'm always going over other rogues' talent specs. I'd tell 'em to download and run something like this, both so I could see and so they could see my stuff, so I could explain it, etc. |
| 01:54.53 | Antiarrrrrrc | Err, rogue class leader |
| 01:54.57 | ckkscurvy | WobWork: you can disable that in the code, then |
| 01:55.09 | WobWork | but it broadcasts by default? |
| 01:55.11 | Antiarrrrrrc | That sort of attitude is really common in hierarchical raid groups |
| 01:55.23 | ckkscurvy | WobWork: yes. |
| 01:55.26 | WobWork | hm =\ |
| 01:55.30 | ckkscurvy | WobWork: it uses a ping/pong system |
| 01:55.39 | WobWork | I hope you put that in the documentation somewhere =P |
| 01:56.03 | Antiarrrrrrc | I just think that it would work most of the way as intended with another addon. Hell, package it with something, like a cowtip module or something |
| 01:56.09 | ckkscurvy | really, what I don't get is why people are freaking out about talents but not freaking out about addon version checking |
| 01:56.21 | aestil | thats in comms? |
| 01:56.27 | ckkscurvy | seeing as the addon version checking is a bigger invasion of privacy and you can't just alt-tab to see it in armory |
| 01:56.32 | ckkscurvy | yea, aestil. in Ace2 as well |
| 01:56.39 | Funkeh` | ckkscurvy: I disagree |
| 01:56.44 | aestil | yeah, i don't think its the invasion of privacy thing |
| 01:56.47 | Antiarrrrrrc | That tends to be in the addon, and software checking for updates is a pretty well-established operational pattern |
| 01:56.48 | ckkscurvy | why's that, Funkeh`? |
| 01:56.52 | aestil | at least that wouldn't be my complaint. |
| 01:56.58 | Antiarrrrrrc | I have no problem with it from a privacy standpoint |
| 01:57.01 | aestil | i can't consider it an invasion of privacy. |
| 01:57.04 | Antiarrrrrrc | Just from an implementation correctness standpoint |
| 01:57.06 | aestil | my concern is the drain on resources. |
| 01:57.11 | Antiarrrrrrc | With the armory, the privacy argument is moot. |
| 01:57.13 | Funkeh` | ckkscurvy: Seeing a spec can give a tactical gain in a duel for example, querying an addon version does not |
| 01:57.26 | aestil | well, it requires comms though antiarc, at least sorta. why noot in comms. |
| 01:57.26 | WobWork | although, gear shown in armoury may not be accurate |
| 01:57.29 | Antiarrrrrrc | Funkeh`: Eh. That's there in the armory and Tattle. |
| 01:57.35 | Funkeh` | Antiarrrrrrc: Yeah because the armoury is always updated |
| 01:57.41 | ckkscurvy | Funkeh`: seeing as dueling is pointless and you can't query in arena, that point is moot |
| 01:57.43 | ckkscurvy | it's within a day |
| 01:57.44 | Antiarrrrrrc | Funkeh`: Every time you log out. |
| 01:57.50 | Antiarrrrrrc | Seriously, it updates when you log out. |
| 01:57.52 | Funkeh` | Antiarrrrrrc: Once in a blue moon |
| 01:57.53 | ckkscurvy | oh, on logout now? |
| 01:57.56 | Antiarrrrrrc | Try it. Change your gear and log out. |
| 01:57.58 | aestil | addon version queary forcing people to have KTM or CTraid seems like a bigger invastion /big brother type issue. |
| 01:58.04 | WobWork | hm, I always thought it was on logout |
| 01:58.05 | Antiarrrrrrc | I do it regularly to show gear loadouts to folks. |
| 01:58.06 | sb | ohhhhhhhhhh ckkscurvy |
| 01:58.12 | ckkscurvy | oh, oh, oh! |
| 01:58.13 | sb | rock displays all addons twice :o |
| 01:58.16 | ckkscurvy | srsly? |
| 01:58.19 | ckkscurvy | not for me |
| 01:58.20 | WobWork | s/always thought/thought it always/ |
| 01:58.23 | sb | hmm |
| 01:58.40 | WobWork | >< |
| 01:58.40 | sb | already fixed? :p |
| 01:58.51 | ckkscurvy | sb: don't know the bug. |
| 01:58.55 | Funkeh` | If it was me, I'd ahve it in CowTip, off by default, with the selection, Imo it doesn't belong in a framework |
| 01:58.55 | sb | oh okay |
| 01:59.04 | sb | well yes it does :o |
| 01:59.18 | Antiarrrrrrc | Put it in a cowtip module and have a LibTalentComm module that the CowTip module needs |
| 01:59.25 | Antiarrrrrrc | err, LibTalentComm library |
| 01:59.48 | aestil | that seems like way more dupilcation/complexity in the long run antiarc? |
| 01:59.52 | Antiarrrrrrc | Talented would probably make use of it too |
| 01:59.54 | Antiarrrrrrc | aestil: Eh? How so? |
| 02:00.18 | Antiarrrrrrc | It's optional functionality, but in library form so multiple mods can use it, spreading its saturation |
| 02:00.25 | aestil | whole lib for something as small as a talent spec query? |
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| 02:01.00 | Antiarrrrrrc | Sure. You can do some value-add in it |
| 02:01.01 | WobWork | how many of your total addons would use it |
| 02:01.04 | WobWork | ? |
| 02:01.13 | WobWork | Cowtip.... |
| 02:01.24 | WobWork | Talented... |
| 02:01.37 | Antiarrrrrrc | I could come up with a few applications :) |
| 02:01.41 | Antiarrrrrrc | But, one sec, tanking |
| 02:01.50 | WobWork | face tanking? |
| 02:01.53 | WobWork | that's always amusing |
| 02:02.31 | frop | what |
| 02:03.56 | WobWork | ...Turbo? |
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| 02:05.29 | ckkscurvy | I dunno, I know it's improper, it's just that I see it as the only way to get the code to as many people as possible for what I see should be (in some form) in the Blizz API normally |
| 02:07.20 | Antiarrrrrrc | My response is that I'm just not sure I think that's your call to make, if you'll pardon my saying so |
| 02:07.27 | Antiarrrrrrc | It's like LOOT_OPENED in AceComm |
| 02:07.42 | Antiarrrrrrc | Probably needs something like that in the WoW API, if you've ever tried to skin corehounds in MC :P |
| 02:07.42 | Yarrlipsis | I love bosses with spell reflect |
| 02:07.52 | Antiarrrrrrc | But...it just doesn't belong there |
| 02:07.54 | Funkeh` | It was in AceEvent |
| 02:07.56 | Funkeh` | but yeah |
| 02:08.03 | Funkeh` | Stupid addition |
| 02:08.23 | Antiarrrrrrc | Whereever it was :P |
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| 02:10.09 | Funkeh` | Why am I even still awake? |
| 02:10.12 | JoshBorke | his framework, his call? |
| 02:10.25 | Saaarrrah | you were waiting for me? :P |
| 02:10.35 | Antiarrrrrrc | Ultimately, yes, it is. But that doesn't stop me from making my case :) |
| 02:10.41 | JoshBorke | ckkscurvy: if you think that it should be in the WoW API, then why don't you submit a feature request? |
| 02:10.49 | Funkeh` | Saaarrrah: Thats probaly it |
| 02:10.51 | ckkscurvy | I have, was denied |
| 02:10.55 | Antiarrrrrrc | :/ |
| 02:11.49 | Antiarrrrrrc | I'd just say make it an add-on module that becomes a standard part of the package, but is standlone |
| 02:11.55 | Antiarrrrrrc | Like the Threat bars in Pitbull |
| 02:12.05 | Funkeh` | Saaarrrah: Happy birthday for the other day by the way |
| 02:12.15 | Saaarrrah | danke schoen |
| 02:12.16 | Antiarrrrrrc | They help spread Threat's saturation, but you know what you're getting with 'em |
| 02:12.18 | kenlyric | man, do trolls sucks at every class? |
| 02:12.32 | Antiarrrrrrc | forum trolls or hey mon trolls? |
| 02:12.32 | JoshBorke | pretty good at rogues |
| 02:12.36 | JoshBorke | rogues suck all around ;-) |
| 02:12.38 | kenlyric | hey mon. |
| 02:12.51 | kenlyric | cannibalize seems much more useful for a rogue. |
| 02:12.52 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 02:12.54 | Funkeh` | hey mon |
| 02:12.58 | Funkeh` | wtf? ;p |
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| 02:13.30 | kenlyric | I suppose the differences for shaman are fairly trivial. |
| 02:14.01 | Antiarrrrrrc | I see a lot of troll hunters |
| 02:14.20 | JoshBorke | i personally think that this talent snooping functionality should be distributed as a separate lib |
| 02:14.39 | kenlyric | Antiarrrrrrc: I blame joanna. |
| 02:15.02 | Funkeh` | oh well |
| 02:15.04 | Funkeh` | good night folks |
| 02:15.52 | Saaarrrah | nn |
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| 02:19.45 | WobWork | troll hunters get +bows don't they? |
| 02:20.59 | kaib | hey, i got a problem with WAU, instead of updating it gives me 'error' for each addon, any idea what that is? it might be a vista thing, but i think i gave it all needed admin rights etc |
| 02:21.50 | kenlyric | yes. |
| 02:22.04 | kenlyric | but orc hunters get +pet damage, so it fairly evens out. |
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| 02:33.04 | Saaarrrah | so... I forgot to make all my students talk like Pirates today :( |
| 02:33.29 | WobWork | LANDLUBBER! =( |
| 02:33.50 | Saaarrrah | Arrrr ye scurvy dog! |
| 02:34.39 | ulic | ckkscurvy: I can't seem to find the option the changes the health bar on agro, is it still in there? |
| 02:35.38 | ulic | I thought it used be under the health bars, maybe the Korean update messed something up, it's been known to happen from time to time. |
| 02:36.20 | Saaarrrah | ulic: do you have the Banzai module enabled? |
| 02:36.36 | ulic | I should it's been working for months, until today :) |
| 02:39.31 | ulic | dah, it was the koKR update |
| 02:39.35 | ckkscurvy | ulic: should be there. |
| 02:39.36 | ulic | he completely removed the enUS |
| 02:39.37 | ckkscurvy | Aggro coloring |
| 02:39.38 | Saaarrrah | ulic: I don't use that module, so I can't help ya |
| 02:39.45 | Saaarrrah | ??? /sigh :P |
| 02:40.03 | ulic | like I suspected, it's happend plenty of times before |
| 02:40.14 | ulic | so he probably did that to all modules he updated |
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| 02:40.51 | aestil | antiarrrrrrc, no text resize options on threat pullout bar still. |
| 02:41.04 | darchon | ulic: I will fix... |
| 02:42.00 | ulic | darchon: oh, suprise you're here. Alot the foreign translators aren't. Thanks for being here :) |
| 02:45.08 | Yarrlipsis | so that was pretty much the best group ever |
| 02:45.14 | Yarrlipsis | we all talked like pirates =] |
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| 02:45.23 | ckkscurvy | http://xkcd.com/chesscoaster/ |
| 02:45.43 | ckkscurvy | darchon: I told you you could commit to trunk if you didn't break anything |
| 02:46.49 | JoshBorke | Antiarrrrrrc: you still here? |
| 02:46.51 | Yarrlipsis | oops :P |
| 02:46.51 | Antiarrrrrrc | Yeah |
| 02:46.54 | Antiarrrrrrc | I'm in SSC |
| 02:46.56 | Antiarrrrrrc | So forgive slow responses |
| 02:46.58 | JoshBorke | Antiarrrrrrc: did you figure out the threat bug? |
| 02:47.07 | Antiarrrrrrc | The pets? Not yet. |
| 02:47.12 | JoshBorke | np, just checking |
| 02:47.21 | JoshBorke | weird that no one else has mentioned it |
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| 02:48.01 | ulic | darchon: I'd probably just revert the whole thing for now, so more people don't get broken, then go back and update the modules the right way. |
| 02:48.19 | ckkscurvy | lol: http://austin.craigslist.org/m4w/419154651.html |
| 02:48.25 | darchon | ckkscurvy: I'm sorry. T_T |
| 02:48.31 | ulic | that said, thank you for your efforts in bring ckk's addons the the korean users :) |
| 02:48.44 | ckkscurvy | yea, yea, it's all good, just fix the problem |
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| 02:50.25 | Saaarrrah | funny, ck :) |
| 02:51.04 | aestil | antiarrrrrrc: why doesn't threat pull out bar disappear when out of combat? |
| 02:51.31 | aestil | antiarrrrrrc, and why can't i change the size of the text? |
| 02:52.07 | ulic | ckkscurvy: you get a chance to look at my scaling hack for Rock? |
| 02:52.14 | ckkscurvy | no, I haven't |
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| 02:52.16 | ckkscurvy | been so busy |
| 02:52.21 | ulic | figured |
| 02:52.36 | ulic | about the first 3 updates, I reapplied to my local copy, but now I'm just waiting :) |
| 02:52.52 | ckkscurvy | what's the issue number? |
| 02:53.05 | ulic | just guessing, but 37 |
| 02:53.13 | ulic | semi guessing from memory |
| 02:53.24 | ulic | yea 37 |
| 02:53.33 | Yarrlipsis | "Assume a spherical cow." |
| 02:53.42 | Yarrlipsis | best line out of that entire craigslist post |
| 02:53.49 | ulic | of course it's changed since I posted that, so the line numbers are off, but I think you can figure it out :) |
| 02:54.06 | ckkscurvy | yea, yea |
| 02:54.13 | CIA-22 | 03darchon * r49329 10PitBull/Banzai/Banzai.lua: |
| 02:54.13 | CIA-22 | PitBull |
| 02:54.13 | CIA-22 | - fix translation issue |
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| 02:55.20 | ulic | that looks much better :) |
| 02:57.29 | Antiarrrrrrc | aestil: My pullout bars just properly disappeared, so I don't know |
| 02:57.39 | Antiarrrrrrc | And b) I haven't put it in yet :) |
| 02:59.12 | Yarrlipsis | oh god |
| 02:59.16 | Yarrlipsis | ckkscurvy, what have you done? |
| 02:59.19 | aestil | antiarrrrrrc, i think, what happens, is that I have the pull out bar, then i died, then we killed hydross, then i got rezed, and then the bar stayed up. |
| 02:59.27 | Antiarrrrrrc | Ah, okay, that'd do it |
| 02:59.29 | ckkscurvy | Yarrlipsis: ? |
| 02:59.30 | Yarrlipsis | I gave that craigslist link to my boyfriend and he's memorizing it to use on other girls :( |
| 02:59.33 | Antiarrrrrrc | I'll make it disappear on death |
| 02:59.36 | ckkscurvy | ll |
| 02:59.37 | ckkscurvy | lol* |
| 02:59.51 | ulic | well that sounds like it's your fault, you gave it to him :) |
| 02:59.52 | Yarrlipsis | this is all your fault |
| 03:00.02 | Yarrlipsis | it was funny, I couldn't not show him :( |
| 03:00.05 | Nosrac | just wondering: Is there a reason for all the name changes? |
| 03:00.10 | Nosrac | of the people in here* |
| 03:00.15 | Yarrlipsis | talk like a pirate day! |
| 03:00.21 | Nosrac | Ahh |
| 03:00.30 | aestil | speaking of ssc antiarrrrrrc , are youg ettin terrrrrrible lag [pirate talk] |
| 03:00.32 | Nosrac | I was worried I'd have to memorize new names ;-o |
| 03:00.59 | ckkscurvy | arr |
| 03:01.05 | Yarrlipsis | yeah, ckkscurvy is sticking with his though |
| 03:01.09 | Yarrlipsis | because it makes TOTAL sense |
| 03:01.11 | ckkscurvy | :-P |
| 03:01.12 | Nosrac | lol |
| 03:01.23 | ckkscurvy | it's the only legitimate way to turn my name piratey |
| 03:01.34 | Nosrac | Sounds pretty cool, too |
| 03:01.56 | ulic | why do I have I have a steering wheel in my pants? |
| 03:02.02 | ulic | Arrrr, it drives me nuts. |
| 03:02.30 | Nosrac | I think you typo'd "me", ulic. And it's because everyone cool's doing it. |
| 03:02.51 | ulic | no a pirate would say me not my. |
| 03:03.01 | Nosrac | Yeah, that's what I'm saying |
| 03:03.07 | Nosrac | I meant in the first sentence, sorry about that ;-P |
| 03:03.13 | Nosrac | in "wheel in my pants" |
| 03:03.34 | ulic | well the first sentence you have to say normal so the second sounds even more pirate-ish. |
| 03:03.50 | Saaarrrah | meh |
| 03:03.52 | Nosrac | Of course! Foolish me! |
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| 03:04.08 | ulic | just a stupid old joke that's isn't even really funny. |
| 03:04.15 | ulic | -'s |
| 03:04.21 | Yarrlipsis | yarrrrr |
| 03:04.24 | Yarrlipsis | I lol'ed |
| 03:04.25 | Nosrac | Alright. I'm off to bed! |
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| 03:10.45 | ckkscurvy | darchon: did you fix all the modules you messed up? |
| 03:11.25 | Yarrlipsis | (yes dad...) |
| 03:11.41 | ckkscurvy | :-P |
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| 03:13.03 | Saaarrrah | :) |
| 03:13.22 | Saaarrrah | Yarrlipsis: I just told Funky to go to bed on the forums... >.> |
| 03:13.51 | darchon | hmm... othe modules have problems? |
| 03:13.58 | Yarrlipsis | sigh, men...what would they do without us? :P |
| 03:14.05 | Undread | Hey, just upgraded some of my mods, and the ones that use the Rock framework, including Rock itself, won't show a menu. |
| 03:14.16 | Undread | Cart, Fubar, Rock when I click the menus or type /rock /cart etc |
| 03:14.23 | Undread | I get a big chug |
| 03:14.26 | Undread | and then nothing happens |
| 03:14.48 | Undread | Looked on the forums and such and it doesn't seem like anyone else is having this issue |
| 03:15.00 | Thrae | Can anyone get to www.wowecon.com? |
| 03:15.02 | darchon | ulic: othe modules are working? |
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| 03:15.18 | ckkscurvy | Undread: chug? |
| 03:15.26 | Undread | Like a 2-3 second pause |
| 03:15.36 | Undread | as if its accessing the HD |
| 03:15.37 | Saaarrrah | timed out for me, Thrae |
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| 03:15.43 | Undread | or loading something |
| 03:15.52 | Undread | actually more like 1 second |
| 03:16.00 | Thrae | Saaarrrah: Heh, just when I finish a data miner, the site goes down |
| 03:16.06 | Saaarrrah | :) |
| 03:16.12 | Undread | Bugsack isn't catching any errors |
| 03:16.21 | Undread | and nothing in the chat windows either |
| 03:16.22 | Undread | very odd |
| 03:16.33 | ulic | I haven't verified in game, but I looked like the enUS stuff was missing. |
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| 03:29.08 | Saaarrrah | ckkskurvy: love the changes to RockConfig |
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| 03:30.08 | Yarrlipsis | whoa, umm |
| 03:30.08 | ckkscurvy | :-) |
| 03:30.43 | Yarrlipsis | anyone else getting duplicate addons in their Rock Config? >_> |
| 03:31.10 | Saaarrrah | not I said the fly |
| 03:31.22 | ulic | duplicate, no. A ton more because ckk added aceoptions support, yes :) |
| 03:31.36 | ckkscurvy | Yarrlipsis: do you run externals or standalones? |
| 03:31.36 | Yarrlipsis | I had three of each addon (Rock and Ace) until I manually GC'ed...that shouldn't happen, should it? o.o |
| 03:31.41 | Yarrlipsis | standalone |
| 03:31.46 | ckkscurvy | hrm |
| 03:31.48 | ckkscurvy | wtf, then |
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| 03:32.00 | Yarrlipsis | and running the garbage collector made the extras disappear |
| 03:32.04 | Yarrlipsis | which seems really odd to me |
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| 03:33.07 | ckkscurvy | you and I both |
| 03:33.23 | CIA-22 | ow |
| 03:33.27 | ckkscurvy | ulic: I added scaling |
| 03:33.32 | Yarrlipsis | I'm gonna play around a bit and see if I can get it to do that again |
| 03:33.50 | ulic | was what I wrote at least close to good? |
| 03:34.45 | ckkscurvy | yea, except I save differently |
| 03:34.58 | ckkscurvy | and Yarrlipsis, committed a possible fix |
| 03:35.08 | Saaarrrah | ckkskurvy: http://ace.pastey.net/74119 |
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| 03:35.51 | ulic | yea the save stuff had me for a moment, until I found the stuff in LibRock for contract, and just tried to emulate it as a root level type config option. |
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| 03:37.39 | Saaarrrah | ck: and I'm also seeing the bug where my FuBar plugins are not where I left them |
| 03:38.35 | ckkscurvy | I don't have that bug :-( |
| 03:39.35 | Saaarrrah | but it was only 3 of 4 that I have on two separate mini panels. Everything else was correct |
| 03:39.47 | Saaarrrah | let me do a reload and see if they stay now after I've moved em |
| 03:40.19 | PProvost | I see the same thing Saaarrrah |
| 03:40.33 | PProvost | I moved em all, relogged and they're back in strange places. |
| 03:40.33 | Saaarrrah | still there |
| 03:40.47 | Saaarrrah | let me quit the game and see if it makes a difference |
| 03:41.08 | aestil | what is the rev # of the rockconfig that turns into niagara? |
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| 03:41.32 | ckkscurvy | um, the recent ones do |
| 03:41.46 | ckkscurvy | 49331 |
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| 03:42.28 | Saaarrrah | still fixed :) |
| 03:42.51 | ckkscurvy | still fixed? |
| 03:43.32 | PProvost | I'll update and try again then. |
| 03:44.09 | Saaarrrah | fubar plugins are now staying put |
| 03:44.55 | Yarrlipsis | oh good so I'm not crazy |
| 03:45.02 | aestil | most current on WAU is good then? |
| 03:45.24 | ckkscurvy | wtf is with CIA? |
| 03:45.29 | ckkscurvy | aestil: probably |
| 03:46.48 | Yarrlipsis | whoa....am I lagging or is it the server? |
| 03:48.39 | Antiarrrrrrc | So I have an addon idea |
| 03:48.44 | Antiarrrrrrc | Death pool betting for raids. |
| 03:49.06 | ckkscurvy | death pool betting? |
| 03:49.11 | aestil | i'm standalone libs, am i gonna see double mods when i update? |
| 03:49.12 | ckkscurvy | betting who dies? |
| 03:49.14 | Antiarrrrrrc | Yes. |
| 03:49.21 | ckkscurvy | aestil: I don't see em |
| 03:49.35 | ckkscurvy | and you should know that it's better to get the bug and tell me how to reproduce |
| 03:49.57 | Yarrlipsis | speaking of which, I still haven't been able to reproduce it, but I don't know what caused it in the first place |
| 03:49.59 | CIA-22 | 03sayclub * r49332 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 03:49.59 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0: |
| 03:49.59 | CIA-22 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 03:50.01 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49330 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 03:50.05 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0 - add the ability to scale the frame. |
| 03:50.07 | CIA-22 | - also save position. |
| 03:50.09 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49331 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - add a possible fix for duplicate addons showing. |
| 03:50.12 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49333 10Parrot/Code/Display.lua: |
| 03:50.14 | CIA-22 | Parrot_Display - PAR-21 |
| 03:50.16 | CIA-22 | - if a font doesn't exist properly, revert to "Fonts\\FRIZQT__.TTF" |
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| 03:51.02 | Yarrlipsis | I have noticed that running a garbage collection while the RockConfig window is open causes some momentary display glitches, which still seems really strange |
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| 03:51.45 | Saaarrrah | question... how come opposing faction players are showing up with blue healthbars in PB? :) |
| 03:52.04 | ckkscurvy | not PvP'd |
| 03:52.41 | Saaarrrah | I didn't remember it being like that before - I thought they were always colored by class. am I blind and missing an option? :( |
| 03:53.26 | Saaarrrah | yeah, I have it checked to color by class, not hostility |
| 03:53.54 | Saaarrrah | oops, and by hostility :P |
| 03:54.04 | Saaarrrah | but still it says that class has precedence |
| 03:55.51 | ckkscurvy | except for NPCs |
| 03:55.53 | ckkscurvy | err |
| 03:55.54 | ckkscurvy | enemies |
| 03:56.03 | ckkscurvy | there is an option, though |
| 03:56.11 | ckkscurvy | to show pvp enemies as class colored |
| 03:56.25 | Saaarrrah | I see that. Is that new? cause I haven't changed anything |
| 03:56.54 | ckkscurvy | few months |
| 03:57.41 | Saaarrrah | hmm |
| 03:58.03 | Saaarrrah | isn't that for if they're pvp flagged? so they show as class color instead of red? |
| 03:58.30 | Saaarrrah | (I'm away from the horde in STV now) |
| 03:58.52 | art3mis | http://www.miamiherald.com/577/story/243395.html |
| 04:00.29 | Gngsk | genius |
| 04:00.59 | ckkscurvy | lol |
| 04:01.49 | art3mis | http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/devilmaycry4/media.html?page=1&sid=6179147&autoplay=6179147&part=rss&tag=gs_all_games&subj=6179147 |
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| 04:02.01 | aestil | ima turn a jira ticket in for buffs/debuffs on tooltip |
| 04:02.59 | PProvost | Damn. Second ReloadUI lost the FuBar positions again. |
| 04:06.16 | Saaarrrah | ckkskurvy: found another horde - that option does it. I don't think I ever had that checked before though... don't remember I guess.... been a while since I've pvped |
| 04:06.59 | Yarrlipsis | ah, got a screenshot of what's actually happening during a GC |
| 04:07.17 | Saaarrrah | mine are still good, pprovost |
| 04:07.33 | Yarrlipsis | "FuBar" and "Parrot" (just the names) are moving on top of other addons' names |
| 04:07.45 | Yarrlipsis | something to do with the way they're anchored with the icons, perhaps? |
| 04:08.06 | Yarrlipsis | though none of the other ones with icons are doing that... |
| 04:08.27 | darchon | rock config -> fubar -> bar # -> select addons -> reloadui |
| 04:11.29 | Yarrlipsis | oh, hey, it has nothing to do with the garbage collection |
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| 04:13.10 | Keias | ckk around? |
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| 04:14.27 | Saaarrrah | ping ckkskurvy |
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| 04:16.46 | PProvost | I've tracked it down just a bit... |
| 04:17.00 | CIA-22 | 03nayala 07Nayala * r49334 10LibSignal-1.0/LibSignal-1.0/ (LibSignal-1.0.lua tests/test.lua tests/testbody.lua): LibSignal-1.0: Reimport my latest changes |
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| 04:17.09 | PProvost | When it goes wrong (and haven't figured out what causes it), all/some of the plugins on the bottom bar move to the top and lose their position setting. |
| 04:17.17 | PProvost | The ones on the top bar stay correct. |
| 04:17.20 | PProvost | Interesting |
| 04:17.51 | Yarrlipsis | it's almost as if the bars after the first are taking too long to create, and the plugins are created with nowhere to go, so they default to the first bar |
| 04:18.00 | Yarrlipsis | the saved vars stay correct the whole time though |
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| 04:25.31 | Saaarrrah | the 3 of mine that moved were on additional bars, but the one other stayed put. but they haven't changed again since |
| 04:26.18 | ckkscurvy | Keias: hiya |
| 04:27.59 | Keias | I keep getting an error with parrot when I disable it and try to re-enable with Rock |
| 04:28.02 | Keias | [2007/09/20 00:10:04-374-x1]: Parrot-r49190\Code\CombatEvents.lua:902: attempt to index upvalue 'Parrot_ScrollAreas' (a nil value) |
| 04:28.02 | Keias | LibRockConfig-1.0--50686 (LibRockConfig-1.0):653: in function `OpenConfigMenu' |
| 04:28.02 | Keias | FuBar-49053\FuBar_Panel.lua:1007: in function `OpenMenu' |
| 04:28.02 | Keias | FuBar-49053\FuBar_Panel.lua:57: in function <Interface\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar_Panel.lua:55> |
| 04:28.02 | Keias | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.04 | Keias | woops ;x |
| 04:28.10 | Keias | I HAD the pasty on clipboard :( |
| 04:28.19 | Keias | http://ace.pastey.net/74120 |
| 04:28.20 | ckkscurvy | too late now |
| 04:28.21 | Keias | sorry lol |
| 04:29.34 | CIA-22 | 03sayclub * r49335 10GridStatusAFK/GridStatusAFK.lua: |
| 04:29.35 | CIA-22 | GridStatusAFK : |
| 04:29.35 | CIA-22 | - Added localization koKR |
| 04:29.42 | ckkscurvy | Keias: k, found the bug |
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| 04:33.04 | ckkscurvy | hey grogwheel |
| 04:33.18 | grogwheel | Ahoy there! |
| 04:33.50 | Yarrlipsis | haha, great nick |
| 04:34.02 | grogwheel | :) |
| 04:34.15 | Antiarrrrrrc | You know |
| 04:34.28 | Antiarrrrrrc | Poison that ticks for 8k is just not a run raid mechanic. :/ |
| 04:34.39 | Antiarrrrrrc | fun, either |
| 04:35.02 | ckkscurvy | ick |
| 04:35.28 | Antiarrrrrrc | Oh look my shaman died, so poison cleansing totem is down, so I go from full to dead in 2 ticks. :( |
| 04:36.04 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49336 10Parrot/Code/ (5 files): Parrot - fix some issues with options |
| 04:36.13 | ckkscurvy | ugh |
| 04:37.04 | Yarrlipsis | do totems disappear immediately when the shaman dies? |
| 04:38.08 | aestil | rockconfig is now officially teh sex |
| 04:38.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Yarrlipsis: yes |
| 04:38.59 | Yarrlipsis | that's pretty lame |
| 04:39.04 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 04:39.24 | Yarrlipsis | they should be like DoTs, last the full duration |
| 04:40.21 | liquidzoo | man...first some addon settings aren't being saved, now my alt key isn't worning in WoW...very odd. |
| 04:41.19 | aestil | antiarrrrrrc: what boss? |
| 04:41.30 | Antiarrrrrrc | SSC trash |
| 04:41.40 | aestil | wtf? what trash does that? |
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| 04:41.56 | Antiarrrrrrc | Most anything with the broken |
| 04:41.59 | Antiarrrrrrc | The Virulent Poison |
| 04:43.31 | aestil | we are pulling FLK now |
| 04:44.01 | Antiarrrrrrc | Heh, we're just about to |
| 04:44.53 | aestil | you guys start at 7pm PST? |
| 04:45.20 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49337 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - big optimization: if you change a setting on one addon, it will only refresh that one addon's tree, not every addon anymore. |
| 04:46.00 | aestil | what does that change for end user ckk? |
| 04:46.13 | ckkscurvy | aestil: things are faster. |
| 04:46.23 | Antiarrrrrrc | 7:30 PST |
| 04:46.32 | Antiarrrrrrc | Hydross -> Lurker -> Leo -> FLK |
| 04:46.33 | ckkscurvy | it probably wouldn't be noticeable until >50 mods or so, but still, every bit counts |
| 04:46.53 | aestil | is your SSC like..... horrrribly lagging tonight antiarrrrrrc ? |
| 04:46.57 | Antiarrrrrrc | Nah |
| 04:47.05 | Antiarrrrrrc | We're not really having any problems |
| 04:47.12 | aestil | we are hydross -> lurker -> morrogrim ->FLK ->leo |
| 04:47.25 | aestil | seriously though, we have disconnects on almost every other pull and my lag is painful. |
| 04:49.17 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49339 10FuBar/FuBar.lua: FuBar - FUB-24 - bugfix |
| 04:51.09 | Yarrlipsis | aestil, do you play on a west coast server? |
| 04:51.18 | Yarrlipsis | my realm is lagging pretty hard tonight too |
| 04:51.20 | CIA-22 | 03ominous * r49338 10Tattle/ (38 files in 38 dirs): Tattle: daily run of the dataminer |
| 04:51.31 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49340 10LibRock-1.0/LibRock-1.0.lua: LibRock-1.0 - fix deDE categories. |
| 04:52.40 | Saaarrrah | my server is west coast (I live in Central) and I'm not lagging |
| 04:53.10 | aestil | mountain time |
| 04:54.00 | aestil | very hard to heal the shaman tank with the lag we have tonight. |
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| 04:58.33 | art3mis | http://www.free-wow-leveling-guide.com/ |
| 04:58.35 | art3mis | hahaha |
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| 04:59.53 | orionshock | morning all |
| 05:01.39 | orionshock | Tekkub: ping |
| 05:01.47 | Tekkub | what? |
| 05:02.14 | orionshock | Gratuity-3.0 - does it have compat layer for previous versions? |
| 05:02.48 | ckkscurvy | no, not yet |
| 05:03.18 | Antiarrrrrrc | And Karathress down. |
| 05:04.04 | Yarrlipsis | I need an addon that will make me stop being an idiot |
| 05:04.10 | Yarrlipsis | pls halp =[ |
| 05:04.50 | WobWork | it's built into the client |
| 05:04.52 | WobWork | just type /quit |
| 05:05.01 | Antiarrrrrrc | When in WoW you can hit ctrl-alt-F4 to access the debug menu which gives you a few options |
| 05:05.20 | Yarrlipsis | lulz =[ |
| 05:05.34 | Yarrlipsis | actually I need some way to stop myself from trying to cast Siphon Life on mechs |
| 05:05.56 | Yarrlipsis | but since it's instant cast I can't do anything to warn myself so I can cancel... |
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| 05:06.12 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49341 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - bugfix |
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| 05:08.14 | Saaarrrah | I keep trying to bleed undead on my druid... |
| 05:08.15 | Sarana | Maybe set up an addon that requires two key presses to cast it... and trigger in a huge buzz sound if it's on a 'bad' target. I should do something like that for when I innervate the rogues and warriors. |
| 05:08.21 | Arcaia | ckkscruvy - ohoy matey |
| 05:08.36 | Arcaia | are ye here? |
| 05:08.56 | ckkscurvy | yarrr |
| 05:09.32 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49342 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - fix scaling bug |
| 05:10.06 | Arcaia | I have a weird issue... debuff highlight frames curable by me, not working, the frame flashes the debuff color, but next time it updates, the debuff color disappears |
| 05:10.08 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49343 10LibJostle-3.0/LibJostle-3.0.lua: LibJostle-3.0 - add compat layer for Jostle-2.0 |
| 05:10.14 | ckkscurvy | that's odd |
| 05:10.16 | ckkscurvy | it works for me |
| 05:10.18 | ckkscurvy | <--- pally |
| 05:10.29 | ckkscurvy | what do you mean the next time it updates? |
| 05:10.31 | Arcaia | ie - > when my mage has to decurse, it shows up for a second, and then it goes away after the frame updates [say for health] |
| 05:10.47 | Yarrlipsis | that's a really good idea Sarana |
| 05:10.48 | Arcaia | health change, mana change, buff loss, from what ive seen |
| 05:11.22 | aestil | antiarrrrrrc, seems like a wierd buffs, out of bosskills i don't see why the pullout bar don't go away |
| 05:11.29 | aestil | this time i didn't die, but it didn't go away. |
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| 05:11.59 | Arcaia | ckkscurvy - maybe if it was updated to on event check and see if the debuff is still there and reapply color to frames [psuedocodin-it] |
| 05:12.07 | Antiarrrrrrc | Odd. |
| 05:12.10 | Antiarrrrrrc | I'll see if I can fix it up. |
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| 05:12.39 | ckkscurvy | Arcaia: hrm, file a jira bug |
| 05:12.51 | Arcaia | how do i do that? |
| 05:13.37 | aestil | is there some way to automate the nickserv automastion |
| 05:14.00 | Yarrlipsis | identification, you mean? |
| 05:14.10 | Yarrlipsis | most IRC clients support scripting of some sort |
| 05:15.47 | ckkscurvy | Arcaia: jira.wowace.com |
| 05:15.48 | ZealotOnAStick | what client do you use? |
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| 05:16.31 | aestil | chatzilla |
| 05:18.01 | liquidzoo | irssi :P |
| 05:18.11 | ckkscurvy | colloquy |
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| 05:19.06 | orionshock | lol - after all this time - now fubar goes bottom up and fubars me |
| 05:19.16 | ckkscurvy | ? |
| 05:19.24 | orionshock | nothing |
| 05:19.30 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.37 | Arcaia | Jira report in. |
| 05:19.40 | Arcaia | also |
| 05:19.45 | Arcaia | how do you check your ui errors |
| 05:19.48 | Arcaia | is there like a log file |
| 05:19.54 | Arcaia | that shows you the errors you've gotten? |
| 05:19.56 | orionshock | Arcaia: bugsack |
| 05:20.07 | orionshock | do you use auctioneer ? |
| 05:20.19 | Arcaia | no |
| 05:20.54 | ZealotOnAStick | get bugsack/buggrabber. |
| 05:21.18 | orionshock | wtf - ckkscurvy did you change rock-config to pull the option tables for ace addons? |
| 05:21.26 | ckkscurvy | ...yes |
| 05:21.53 | Arcaia | thats AWESOME |
| 05:22.04 | ckkscurvy | in other news, LibRockConfig-1.0 supports AceOptions tables |
| 05:22.05 | aestil | yes |
| 05:22.06 | Arcaia | if it isnt buggy |
| 05:22.11 | orionshock | meh - not everything has an icon.. looks ugly :P |
| 05:22.13 | aestil | it hasn't been buggy so far. |
| 05:22.14 | ckkscurvy | meaning it should be freaky easy to port your addons now... |
| 05:22.17 | Arcaia | ckk i went from hating you last week |
| 05:22.19 | Arcaia | to loving you. |
| 05:22.23 | ckkscurvy | orionshock: clearly things should be given icons. |
| 05:22.32 | aestil | well, arcaia, he still hates you, so *shrugs* |
| 05:23.13 | orionshock | and authors should actually name their addons.. and not leave the module names in... |
| 05:23.23 | Arcaia | i need to learn lua |
| 05:23.24 | orionshock | like i got an entry that just says "Guild List |
| 05:23.27 | orionshock | " |
| 05:23.41 | Arcaia | so i can make a vertical hp/power/rep/exp bar module for Pitbull. |
| 05:23.46 | orionshock | it's from AuldLang syne |
| 05:24.01 | ckkscurvy | Arcaia: complex. |
| 05:24.29 | Yarrlipsis | I thought about trying to do that, but I realized with the frame layout the way it is now, it would take serious work on the core as well |
| 05:24.47 | ckkscurvy | yes, thus the complex statement |
| 05:24.59 | Yarrlipsis | just elaborating |
| 05:25.14 | Arcaia | you cant make a box |
| 05:25.22 | Yarrlipsis | nothing else to do while our idiot priest rezzes our idiot tank >_> |
| 05:25.32 | Arcaia | assign the box to a scale, put a box inside the box thats aligned to the bottom of the bigger box |
| 05:25.39 | Arcaia | and make it allign to scale as well |
| 05:25.45 | Arcaia | then bam. |
| 05:26.02 | Arcaia | works in other programming to graphic languages >.> |
| 05:26.16 | Arcaia | or in WoW can you not create boxes |
| 05:26.16 | orionshock | get a hud? |
| 05:26.24 | Arcaia | dont want a hud ;P |
| 05:26.40 | Arcaia | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6311-MazzleUI.html |
| 05:26.44 | Arcaia | mazzle unit frames |
| 05:26.45 | Arcaia | are nice. |
| 05:26.51 | orionshock | eewww UI packs |
| 05:26.54 | Arcaia | but have a bulky interface that you cant avoid with them. |
| 05:27.03 | Arcaia | yes, ui packs are gross |
| 05:27.22 | Arcaia | http://www.randomfew.net/random.public/uiss/WoWScrnShot_091707_201420.jpg |
| 05:27.25 | Arcaia | my ui as is ;P |
| 05:27.57 | Arcaia | m mazzle ui has vertical bars though, is what im saying |
| 05:28.09 | Arcaia | so apparently it -can- be done, just difficult? |
| 05:28.25 | orionshock | it's all boxie |
| 05:28.26 | Yarrlipsis | yeah pretty much |
| 05:28.43 | Yarrlipsis | if you want something that looks like vertical bars without the effort, some HUDs have vertical skins that look quite nice |
| 05:29.00 | Yarrlipsis | move your HUD bars so they line up with your PitBull portrait and nobody will ever know the difference |
| 05:29.06 | Arcaia | i dont want a hud though, i want my raid frames to be vertical bars |
| 05:29.34 | ZealotOnAStick | that's pretty easily doable with Grid, actually. |
| 05:29.58 | Arcaia | dont like grid |
| 05:30.06 | Arcaia | sorry >.> |
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| 05:30.36 | Arcaia | right now i have a nice setup with pitbull, so im not complaining |
| 05:30.55 | Yarrlipsis | the idea is that it doesn't end up looking like a HUD (or Grid) when you're done |
| 05:30.56 | orionshock | i use x-pearl for raid frames |
| 05:31.22 | Arcaia | [Name 75%] 7500/10000 |
| 05:31.29 | Arcaia | with class colored health bars ;P |
| 05:31.39 | Arcaia | works nice for healing and for non-healing |
| 05:31.51 | Arcaia | as i dont have any class that cares about mana/energy/rage ;P |
| 05:32.23 | Arcaia | and in 5-mans its basically the same but with a thin mana bar on the bottom |
| 05:33.50 | Arcaia | but ideally id want that flipped sideways |
| 05:33.57 | Arcaia | so i can throw the bars across the top |
| 05:33.58 | orionshock | mift - i just want cartographer to have a side list.. there is a working one in the branches.. but can't right click any of the notes to get the menu |
| 05:34.01 | Arcaia | where i have plenty of room. |
| 05:34.24 | Arcaia | || || || || with names above and hp below in cur/max format |
| 05:34.57 | Arcaia | one bar for hp one bar for power ;P |
| 05:34.59 | Arcaia | but;P |
| 05:35.21 | Yarrlipsis | sigh |
| 05:35.38 | Arcaia | i can dream cant i? |
| 05:35.49 | Yarrlipsis | "k guys I really need aggro on this boss" "well taunt him then" "yeah but taunt only makes him attack me for 3 seconds, it's useless" *facepalm* |
| 05:36.14 | orionshock | ... wtb new tank |
| 05:36.21 | Yarrlipsis | yarly |
| 05:36.24 | Arcaia | wtb rogue tank. |
| 05:36.27 | ZealotOnAStick | it's not about whether or not you Like Grid. I'm saying, Grid does vertical health bars already. Pilfer from that code for inspiration on making what you want. |
| 05:36.39 | Arcaia | my rogue tanked mores for 30 seconds tonight. |
| 05:36.43 | Arcaia | moroes* |
| 05:36.57 | Yarrlipsis | our rogue actually has almost half a clue |
| 05:37.20 | Yarrlipsis | unfortunately, half a clue shared amongst 3 people isn't quite enough to get the job done |
| 05:37.24 | Arcaia | i dont pilfer ;P if i did set down to do it, id do it from scratch and learn to do it right, honor in programming i suppose, |
| 05:37.58 | syeren | ckkscurvy, I finished the UI on the Warlock \o/ |
| 05:38.00 | Yarrlipsis | actually, a properly configured grid with mana bars would work well for what you want :P |
| 05:39.06 | Arcaia | iunno not worried about it for now, i dont like stacking addons for one purpse |
| 05:39.14 | ckkscurvy | syeren: awesomesauce |
| 05:39.15 | Arcaia | i was using Pitbull/Grid for awhile on my rogue |
| 05:39.39 | syeren | I got a few bugs and stuff, but I had no bug sack enabled to capture them unfortunately :/ |
| 05:40.10 | Arcaia | but it just annoyed me to not have one, so i got rid of Grid and just minimilized pitbull displays for raiding |
| 05:42.03 | Guillotine | anybody know how to create a new folder in VBA? (if it doesn't already exist when trying to create a file) |
| 05:42.35 | Arcaia | anyways, just wanted to report that highlight frame bug/glitch to ck |
| 05:42.38 | Arcaia | im sleepy time. |
| 05:42.40 | Arcaia | night all. |
| 05:42.59 | ckkscurvy | okay then |
| 05:42.59 | ckkscurvy | g'night |
| 05:43.24 | Arcaia | /afk |
| 05:43.39 | CIA-22 | 03candykiss * r49345 10LibSharedMedia-2.0/LibSharedMedia-2.0.lua: LibSharedMedia-2.0: Revert to revision 49182. For the compatibility please only change the font names when you have to |
| 05:43.40 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49344 10LibJostle-3.0/LibJostle-3.0.toc: LibJostle-3.0 - fix up toc |
| 05:44.02 | ckkscurvy | holy hell that was a long wait |
| 05:44.28 | Yarrlipsis | what's up with CIA-22, it's slower than files.* tonight |
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| 05:46.17 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49346 10LibGratuity-3.0/ (LibGratuity-3.0.lua LibGratuity-3.0.toc): LibGratuity-3.0 - provide a compat layer for Gratuity-2.0. |
| 05:46.27 | ckkscurvy | that was instant |
| 05:46.27 | ckkscurvy | hrm |
| 05:46.31 | ckkscurvy | btw orionshock ^-- |
| 05:46.38 | orionshock | i see |
| 05:47.03 | *** join/#wowace harldephin (i=harl@dslb-088-076-059-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:47.04 | Antiarrrrrrc | So, we just won an arena match |
| 05:47.09 | Antiarrrrrrc | The losing team lost 0 points |
| 05:47.16 | Antiarrrrrrc | And we won -1.8 billion points |
| 05:47.20 | WobWork | omg hax? |
| 05:47.41 | Jazradel | give some to me? |
| 05:48.00 | Antiarrrrrrc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/arenahax.jpg |
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| 05:48.20 | orionshock | eh? wtf? |
| 05:48.21 | WobWork | wow |
| 05:48.27 | orionshock | that's pritty bad ... |
| 05:48.40 | Codayus | There's an exploit to make a game count as a skirmish so you don't lose points. |
| 05:48.40 | Yarrlipsis | sweet |
| 05:48.45 | Codayus | But...THAT'S a new one on me. |
| 05:49.02 | Antiarrrrrrc | Is it a reproducable exploit? |
| 05:49.07 | Antiarrrrrrc | Because we're facing that same team again. :/ |
| 05:49.19 | *** join/#wowace Cartas (n=Cartas@host86-133-170-178.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) |
| 05:49.21 | WobWork | are you actually in the negative omgwtfs? |
| 05:49.25 | Antiarrrrrrc | No |
| 05:49.30 | Antiarrrrrrc | We didn't lose and points in reality |
| 05:49.34 | Antiarrrrrrc | But that was the scoreboard |
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| 05:49.56 | WobWork | so it appears to be y2kbug =P |
| 05:50.02 | Cartas | :O |
| 05:51.14 | Yarrlipsis | ugh |
| 05:51.27 | Yarrlipsis | how many times do we wipe on this boss before the priest learns to run around the corner :/ |
| 05:51.31 | Cartas | It's a bit late, really, WobWork. |
| 05:51.36 | Cartas | What boss, Yarrlipsis? |
| 05:51.58 | Aeyan | Talon King? |
| 05:52.15 | Yarrlipsis | high botanist freywinn |
| 05:52.20 | Aeyan | Ah, hehe |
| 05:52.31 | Yarrlipsis | and the adds bugged when i re-entered the instance |
| 05:52.38 | Yarrlipsis | and followed us all the way to the start |
| 05:52.43 | Yarrlipsis | and gave us an extra wipe free of charge :D |
| 05:52.53 | Saaarrrah | ooh... more for yer money |
| 05:52.54 | Xinhuan | :o |
| 05:53.13 | Xinhuan | hey nice sticky ;p |
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| 05:54.26 | Saaarrrah | me? ty |
| 05:54.49 | Xinhuan | needs more embedded vs disembedded info imo |
| 05:55.55 | Saaarrrah | like what? |
| 05:56.07 | Xinhuan | most of the stuff in my post ;p |
| 05:57.07 | Saaarrrah | heh, I just glanced at it, sorry. I'll look again. |
| 05:57.23 | Xinhuan | the first 6 posts or so |
| 05:57.53 | art3mis | yarr sounds like he's talking about the demon on the roof of kara ;P |
| 05:58.12 | Xinhuan | Prince room has no corners |
| 05:58.14 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 05:58.14 | art3mis | <3 that debuff |
| 05:58.30 | art3mis | the run down the hall really far away dammit! |
| 05:58.33 | art3mis | that one ;) |
| 05:58.57 | art3mis | i miss our mc games |
| 05:59.13 | art3mis | the "who can make the MT assplode" game |
| 05:59.41 | Yarrlipsis | if I have to watch this priest hardcore fail one more time, I'm going to stab my eyes out |
| 05:59.45 | Saaarrrah | I don't see anything in your post, Xinhuan, that I didn't say already. Unless you mean the memory part |
| 05:59.52 | art3mis | and "keep that last priest sheeped for as long as you can until domo runs around like a psycho" |
| 06:00.03 | Xinhuan | yeah explain the memory part |
| 06:00.09 | Xinhuan | people will want to know why |
| 06:00.36 | *** part/#wowace DrZoot (n=DrZoot@202.61.139.34) |
| 06:01.21 | Xinhuan | people will want to know why memory used doesn't drop, and why all disembedding does is decrease load time and nothing else |
| 06:02.14 | Yarrlipsis | sigh |
| 06:02.31 | Yarrlipsis | "sorry guys I ran oom" "did you use a pot?" "yeah I used [Greater Mana Potion]" |
| 06:03.22 | WobWork | ... |
| 06:03.25 | WobWork | oh man |
| 06:03.26 | WobWork | hardcore =P |
| 06:03.27 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 06:03.36 | Xinhuan | is that the 700 mana pot? |
| 06:03.49 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49347 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 06:03.49 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0 - PB-54 |
| 06:03.49 | CIA-22 | - if your mouse isn't hovered over the config frame, it drops down to 25% alpha, allowing you to see what's under it. |
| 06:03.55 | WobWork | wtb better than super health pot |
| 06:04.00 | ZealotOnAStick | . . . |
| 06:04.03 | ZealotOnAStick | in a TK instance? |
| 06:04.16 | ZealotOnAStick | Tell me you smacked him over the head with some nethergon energy? |
| 06:04.22 | Yarrlipsis | her* |
| 06:04.25 | WobWork | <3 nethergon energy |
| 06:04.31 | WobWork | except when on my rogue |
| 06:04.45 | Yarrlipsis | Xinhuan, yeah, 700-900 mana, level 31. |
| 06:04.47 | WobWork | For the last 10 tk runs on my rogue, -only- the mana pots have dropped for me =( |
| 06:05.07 | WobWork | My healers have loved me though =P They get a potion every few kills =P |
| 06:05.29 | Yarrlipsis | heh |
| 06:05.35 | art3mis | as payment for you being a horrenous damage taker? |
| 06:05.44 | art3mis | horrendous |
| 06:06.18 | art3mis | there are 3 class i almost never heal |
| 06:06.26 | art3mis | 1. mages 2. shaman 3. rogues |
| 06:06.37 | Antiarrrrrrc | Then you're a horrible healer :P |
| 06:06.38 | art3mis | it's cheaper to rez them than keep them alive ;P |
| 06:06.44 | Antiarrrrrrc | Blame Blizzard for punishing melee DPS :( |
| 06:06.52 | art3mis | that and im shadow |
| 06:07.07 | art3mis | i honestly havent cast a healing spell aside from ve/vt on my priest in over 9 months |
| 06:07.21 | art3mis | and that includes on me while soloing |
| 06:07.22 | Saaarrrah | added, Xinhuan |
| 06:09.43 | Xinhuan | nice |
| 06:10.45 | Sarana | Sorry about asking this twice, but who / where should I ask about getting my updater thread moved to the right forum? |
| 06:11.12 | art3mis | what updater thread? |
| 06:11.22 | Sarana | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3198.0 |
| 06:11.58 | Sarana | It's from before there was a subforum for those types of threads. |
| 06:12.38 | art3mis | hrm kael i suppose |
| 06:12.45 | WobWork | any of the admins |
| 06:12.46 | art3mis | cant think of any other mods |
| 06:13.06 | WobWork | funkeh was moving stuff around earlier, wasn't he? |
| 06:13.11 | art3mis | or just leave it and bitch in here every few hours and someone will eventually get around to it ;) |
| 06:13.42 | Sarana | Yeah I noticed a bunch of stuff was moving about which is why I brought it up since it's ended up in General chat. |
| 06:14.01 | orionshock | ahhh i wants to kill someone at bliz |
| 06:14.01 | Saaarrrah | Sarana: send a PM on the forums to Funkydude |
| 06:14.14 | Sarana | Thanks :) |
| 06:15.10 | orionshock | can't get quest events to fire in order or at all |
| 06:15.35 | liquidzoo | ClockFu seems to be malfunctioning. Showing local time, server time, and UTC as 3 different times (though that may be my machine) |
| 06:15.56 | ckkscurvy | they are 3 different times. |
| 06:16.01 | ckkscurvy | unless you're British |
| 06:16.04 | ZealotOnAStick | If I can still do that sort of thing, I can probably move it. Looking at it. |
| 06:16.13 | ckkscurvy | in which case, poppycock |
| 06:16.15 | liquidzoo | sorry...it's showing them all as the same time |
| 06:16.49 | Seerah | lol, ck, I found something for you: http://i0006.photobucket.com/albums/0006/pbhomepage/Funny/Celebi.gif |
| 06:17.34 | ZealotOnAStick | Done |
| 06:17.42 | ckkscurvy | lol, Seerah |
| 06:17.47 | ckkscurvy | hilarious |
| 06:18.21 | ckknight | Seerah: wondering if that should be my new avatar |
| 06:18.23 | ckknight | I like emokitteh, though |
| 06:18.31 | Seerah | haha |
| 06:18.48 | ZealotOnAStick | The done above was for Sarana, btw |
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| 06:19.36 | Sarana | Awesome, thanks. |
| 06:20.28 | ckknight | liquidzoo: are you British? |
| 06:20.36 | liquidzoo | no |
| 06:20.53 | ckknight | hrm |
| 06:20.53 | ckknight | weird. |
| 06:20.58 | liquidzoo | I figured it out, though. My machine was set to UTC for some reason |
| 06:21.02 | ckknight | basically, it's likely an issue with your comp |
| 06:21.08 | ckknight | probably. |
| 06:21.36 | liquidzoo | that's what it was, though for some reason it's off by a lot now, but I'll get it fixed. |
| 06:23.33 | liquidzoo | restarting WoW fixed it. All good now |
| 06:23.44 | liquidzoo | linux messing with me again... |
| 06:23.48 | WobWork | thong-th-thongthongthong |
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| 06:25.44 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49348 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 06:25.44 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0 - PB-54 |
| 06:25.44 | CIA-22 | - save the state on hide and restore the state if /rock is called or the minimap button is pressed. |
| 06:26.59 | ZealotOnAStick | ck, that have an option to hide the minimap button, or change it to a fubar icon, yet? |
| 06:27.20 | Yarrlipsis | the option to hide the button has been in for ages |
| 06:27.23 | Cartas | Hm. |
| 06:27.27 | ckknight | I put that in a while ago |
| 06:27.27 | ckknight | hiding the minimap button, that is |
| 06:27.27 | ckknight | no FuBar plugin yet |
| 06:27.27 | ckknight | ...yet |
| 06:27.29 | Cartas | Rock can config any ace addon now? |
| 06:27.40 | ckknight | yep |
| 06:27.49 | Cartas | Are these addons being changed to use Rock, or? :o |
| 06:28.17 | Ellipsis | it's just acting as a config panel |
| 06:28.22 | Cartas | Okay. |
| 06:28.22 | Ellipsis | they're still Ace |
| 06:28.29 | ckknight | it's like Niagara |
| 06:28.30 | Ellipsis | it's basically taking over Niagara's job |
| 06:28.43 | Cartas | Niagara being? |
| 06:29.00 | Cartas | ckknight: You know the moment CIA says you've updated some addon... is it available through WAU? |
| 06:29.13 | Seerah | no |
| 06:29.14 | Xinhuan | i wonder if that will make niagara obsolete |
| 06:29.14 | ZealotOnAStick | in theory, within 20 minutes. |
| 06:29.17 | Cartas | Ah, okay. |
| 06:29.24 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan, it has for me :P |
| 06:29.36 | ZealotOnAStick | unless they've changed the update frequency with the new packagemancer script. |
| 06:29.38 | Seerah | not everyone uses a "rock" addon |
| 06:31.43 | ckknight | no, within 20 minutes |
| 06:31.43 | ckknight | btw, if anybody has any usability improvements in mind for LibRockConfig-1.0, I'm definitely willing to hear them |
| 06:31.59 | ckknight | Seerah: yea, but they can get the libraries manually |
| 06:32.06 | ckknight | and use it as Niagara that way |
| 06:32.10 | Cartas | Is this universal config panel a module of its own, that can be disabled, CKKnight? |
| 06:32.14 | art3mis | onwder if this idemise leveling guide is any good |
| 06:32.46 | ckknight | Cartas: um, can't really be disabled. You can hide the minimap button and never use it, which has the same effect |
| 06:32.53 | art3mis | even comes with metamap stuff |
| 06:33.21 | Cartas | Ah, okay. So, it doesn't use resources at all when not being ran? Good job :P |
| 06:33.22 | Sarana | CKKnight: An option to sort/group by categories if you haven't already added it would be nice :) |
| 06:33.30 | ckknight | mind making a jira ticket? |
| 06:33.43 | Sarana | Not at all. Just give me a moment. |
| 06:33.44 | ckknight | Cartas: it creates frames on demand as they're needed |
| 06:33.48 | Cartas | Okay. |
| 06:34.20 | Sarana | By the way you can probably marked FUB-7 fixed if you haven't yet. |
| 06:34.52 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | Antiarrrrrrc ping |
| 06:34.54 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | arrr |
| 06:35.03 | sarrrg_ich_nicht | TLAP day is over, yarrrr :( |
| 06:35.29 | Xinhuan | so how many new rock tickets appeared today? hehe |
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| 06:36.36 | *** mode/#wowace [+o MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 06:36.38 | CIA-22 | 03jerry * r49349 10PitBull_AltAura/update.lua: PitBull_AltAura: another small bugfix |
| 06:37.13 | ckknight | Cartas: if it's not used for a session, it takes 200 KiB looks like |
| 06:37.14 | ckknight | hrm, a bit surprised |
| 06:37.18 | vhaarr | ckknight: [2007/09/20 08:35:55-5276-x1]: FuBar_LocationFu-2.046424\LocationFu.lua:75: attempt to call method 'Refresh' (a nil value) |
| 06:37.27 | vhaarr | 2007/09/20 08:35:56-5276-x1]: FuBar_FuXPFu\FuBar_FuXPFu.lua:551: attempt to call method 'Refresh' (a nil value) |
| 06:37.42 | ckknight | vhaarr: on it |
| 06:38.22 | Demon | ckknight, go to the NiN concert? :D |
| 06:38.24 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49350 10LibJostle-3.0/LibJostle-3.0.lua: LibJostle-3.0 - fix compat layer not providing :Refresh |
| 06:38.29 | ckknight | fixed |
| 06:38.38 | ckknight | CIA's slow |
| 06:38.42 | vhaarr | thanks |
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| 06:39.37 | Cartas | 200 KiB for nothing :'( |
| 06:39.38 | Seerah | finally finished my current UI setup... :) http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1764.msg140355#msg140355 |
| 06:39.49 | *** join/#wowace Pkekyo|wrk (n=d5a1f552@207.250.49.24) |
| 06:40.00 | ckknight | Demon: no, are they near me? |
| 06:40.09 | Demon | They played a show on oahu last night |
| 06:40.15 | Pkekyo|wrk | anyone got a link for the "WoW meets Bioshock" screenie that was posted here last night? |
| 06:40.16 | Demon | I flew over to see it |
| 06:40.24 | ckknight | Demon: alright then |
| 06:40.27 | vhaarr | ckknight: when I opened the rock config now, I got spammed by this error |
| 06:40.28 | vhaarr | [2007/09/20 08:39:50-5276-x69]: LibRockConfig-1.0--50653 (LibRockConfig-1.0):1743: Usage: LibRockConfig-1.0_Frame:SetAlpha(alpha 0 to 1) |
| 06:40.28 | vhaarr | LibRockConfig-1.0--50653 (LibRockConfig-1.0):1743: in function <...rface\AddOns\LibRockConfig-1.0\LibRockConfig-1.0.lua:1727> |
| 06:40.38 | ckknight | vhaarr: thought I fixed that |
| 06:40.43 | vhaarr | oh hm |
| 06:40.59 | vhaarr | I have r49347 |
| 06:41.09 | ckknight | note, subtract 100000 |
| 06:41.14 | ckknight | hrm, looks like you're right... |
| 06:41.26 | Antiarrrrrrc | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1165/1404393021_7b4cdc4538_b.jpg |
| 06:41.27 | ckknight | no, you're 1 revision out of date |
| 06:41.40 | ckknight | Corgan: how were they? |
| 06:41.45 | WobWork | Antiarrrrrrc: hehe have you seen the other one? |
| 06:41.45 | vhaarr | indeed I am |
| 06:41.46 | Corgan | Amazing :( |
| 06:41.54 | Corgan | sad face because it's over |
| 06:42.13 | vhaarr | ckknight: wrt usability improvements, have you used the Eclipse IDE? |
| 06:42.25 | ckknight | yea, it was confusing :-( |
| 06:42.28 | WobWork | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1250/1404393037_e6e1e64617_b.jpg |
| 06:42.30 | vhaarr | indeed it is |
| 06:42.47 | Cartas | Hm... |
| 06:42.53 | Cartas | WobWork: Is that your pic? :o |
| 06:43.04 | vhaarr | ckknight: but they have a thing in their preferences panel that makes sense when you have as many category entries as the rock config does now (with a normal amount of addons) - a search field above the tree |
| 06:43.05 | WobWork | No =) I wish =) |
| 06:43.09 | Cartas | Well, it's wrong anyway! |
| 06:43.16 | Cartas | She says 'Dream time, Mr.Bubbles' |
| 06:43.18 | vhaarr | ckknight: just a textbox that you can type in that filters the list |
| 06:43.19 | Cartas | Not sleepy time :o |
| 06:43.19 | ckknight | vhaarr: ooh... |
| 06:43.27 | ckknight | vhaarr: want to make a jira ticket? |
| 06:43.33 | vhaarr | hrm |
| 06:43.40 | vhaarr | yeah hang on, I have to register |
| 06:44.33 | WobWork | And she should be saying "Look, Mr Bubbles! An Aaaangel..." |
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| 06:44.43 | Cartas | lol |
| 06:44.58 | Cartas | My favourite what I've seen in-game was... |
| 06:45.00 | WobWork | but still |
| 06:45.02 | WobWork | very cool |
| 06:45.15 | Cartas | 'Come on Mr.Bubbles, don't be a slowpoke!' *Grunt* 'Angels don't wait for slowpokes...' |
| 06:45.44 | Antiarrrrrrc | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1250/1404393037_e6e1e64617_b.jpg |
| 06:46.18 | Pkekyo|wrk | WobWork: thanks alot, appreciated! |
| 06:46.29 | Pkekyo|wrk | damnit, not the one I was looking for after all |
| 06:46.48 | Pkekyo|wrk | looking for the one that said "Look, mr.bubbles, adam!" |
| 06:47.04 | vhaarr | ckknight: grrr, jira fucked up, I have to retype the issue again |
| 06:47.09 | ckknight | :-( |
| 06:47.16 | WobWork | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1165/1404393021_7b4cdc4538_b.jpg |
| 06:47.47 | Pkekyo|wrk | thanks a bunch |
| 06:47.52 | WobWork | no worries =) |
| 06:48.01 | *** part/#wowace NavrasUS (n=NavrasUS@acad240229.eastdorm.uic.edu) |
| 06:48.26 | vhaarr | ckknight: what the fuck is this crap |
| 06:48.30 | Pkekyo|wrk | meh, for some reason LogMeIn won't work for me anymore.... |
| 06:48.30 | Seerah | why am I still awake? :( |
| 06:48.31 | vhaarr | "You have not selected a valid project to create an issue in." |
| 06:48.42 | ckknight | vhaarr: select Rock? |
| 06:48.48 | vhaarr | I did? |
| 06:48.49 | Seerah | what are you selecting, vhaarr? |
| 06:48.53 | vhaarr | Rock? |
| 06:48.58 | ckknight | maybe you need to select a component... |
| 06:49.01 | Seerah | did you select the sub module thingy |
| 06:49.02 | vhaarr | maybe I did |
| 06:49.05 | vhaarr | yes I did |
| 06:49.06 | Seerah | component :P |
| 06:49.15 | Cartas | Because you're insane, Seerah. |
| 06:49.18 | vhaarr | then I entered a subject and description |
| 06:49.20 | vhaarr | clicked next |
| 06:49.22 | Pkekyo|wrk | ~seen pkekyo |
| 06:49.24 | purl | pkekyo <i=bsm89mod@084202183120.customer.alfanett.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 13h 47m 9s ago, saying: 'pewpew!'. |
| 06:49.24 | vhaarr | and this message appears |
| 06:49.30 | Seerah | it's almost 2:am, I'm going to sleepy-bye |
| 06:49.35 | vhaarr | and when I click back, my description is lost |
| 06:49.47 | Pkekyo|wrk | 2am? it's 9am |
| 06:49.49 | Pkekyo|wrk | ke |
| 06:50.01 | Cartas | 7:50am for me! |
| 06:50.06 | Cartas | I leave for uni soon :'( |
| 06:50.07 | ckknight | cya, Seerah |
| 06:50.09 | WobWork | http://jira.wowace.com/browse/ROCK-49 |
| 06:50.11 | WobWork | =\ |
| 06:50.13 | WobWork | works for me? |
| 06:50.20 | Pkekyo|wrk | vhaarr: l2opera...keeps the text when you click 'back' :) |
| 06:50.21 | vhaarr | WobWork: well, not for me |
| 06:50.25 | vhaarr | Pkekyo|wrk: so does firefox |
| 06:50.38 | NightHawkTheSane | don't most browsers? |
| 06:50.41 | Pkekyo|wrk | vhaarr: NEVER did so for me atleast |
| 06:50.46 | vhaarr | Pkekyo|wrk: and? |
| 06:50.59 | vhaarr | you suck, then, doesn't change the fact that it does remember it |
| 06:51.05 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49351 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: |
| 06:51.05 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0 - make the inline groups spaced out slightly more |
| 06:51.05 | CIA-22 | - make the top horizontal line for inline groups go to the right of the label text. |
| 06:51.05 | Pkekyo|wrk | piece of shit firefox reloads the goddamn page when you click 'back'... meh! |
| 06:51.19 | ckknight | alright, gonna watch Weeds |
| 06:51.29 | NightHawkTheSane | no.. it doesn't. unless you've muckd with your cache or something |
| 06:51.40 | Pkekyo|wrk | I never touched a cache, and yes it does |
| 06:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, it doesn't for me. |
| 06:52.07 | Ellipsis | depends on the page and how long it's been since you were on it |
| 06:52.25 | Pkekyo|wrk | it does for EVERY page, on multiple installations I've used |
| 06:52.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo|wrk: then you're doing something wrong. |
| 06:52.54 | Pkekyo|wrk | NightHawkTheSane: there isn't really that many ways to click the 'back' button |
| 06:53.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo|wrk: and yet somehow you manage to do it wrong? :P |
| 06:53.14 | WobWork | with the mouse, with the keyboard, standing on your head |
| 06:53.15 | Arrowmaster` | firefox does not reload when you hit back, it caches the already parsed pages, thats what everybody complains about as being a memory leak |
| 06:53.15 | WobWork | with a fox |
| 06:53.18 | WobWork | in a box |
| 06:53.20 | WobWork | on a train |
| 06:53.20 | vhaarr | JESUS |
| 06:53.21 | WobWork | on a plane |
| 06:53.27 | Pkekyo|wrk | Arrowmaster: it does |
| 06:53.29 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: no, i don't like green eggs and ham. :P |
| 06:53.52 | Arrowmaster` | try packet sniffing and see if it really does |
| 06:54.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo|wrk: seriously, if it's reloading your pages every time on the back button, you ARE doing something wrong. i can, right now, do it without reloading the entire page. :P |
| 06:54.23 | vhaarr | or he's using pre-2.0 |
| 06:54.31 | Pkekyo|wrk | Arrowmaster: hell no, not using firefox if my life's not depending on it |
| 06:54.41 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that's a possibility, but 2.0 is fairly mature, so there's no point not to? |
| 06:54.42 | Arrowmaster | actually firefox has done that since 1.5 |
| 06:54.59 | WobWork | vhaarr: maybe you need to be added to jira-developers |
| 06:55.02 | WobWork | to -create- an issue |
| 06:55.23 | Ellipsis | it worked fine for me from the beginning |
| 06:55.40 | vhaarr | we should've used bugzilla, like I proposed over a year ago |
| 06:55.42 | vhaarr | and even set up |
| 06:55.57 | Pkekyo|wrk | On every firefox installation I've used -ever-, it've been reloading pages when 'back' is clicked |
| 06:56.05 | *** kick/#wowace [Pkekyo|wrk!n=folk@ti0013a380-1329.bb.online.no] by vhaarr (vhaarr) |
| 06:56.06 | Ellipsis | so firefox hates Pkekyo|wrk, obviously |
| 06:56.13 | Ellipsis | moving on... |
| 06:56.17 | art3mis | no wob i would not like them with a fox in a box on a plane on a train, i do not like green eggs and hog i do not like them wob you slob |
| 06:56.35 | ckknight | that was unnecessary, vhaarr |
| 06:56.53 | WobWork | art, you fart? =) |
| 06:56.55 | vhaarr | I'm just ticked off by this JIRA stuff, and he repeats himself 5 times |
| 06:57.06 | Arrowmaster | are you sure its reloading or maybe just restoring the original state from exactly when it was first rendered thus forgetting any user entered text in forms |
| 06:57.27 | art3mis | no i did not but wob did you slob that knob? |
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| 06:57.44 | WobWork | ew |
| 06:57.51 | Ellipsis | x.x |
| 06:59.12 | Xinhuan | whoc ares |
| 06:59.15 | Xinhuan | who cares |
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| 07:03.44 | sylvanaar | wow somone has been busy to day |
| 07:06.46 | art3mis | sorry |
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| 07:09.26 | ckknight | sylvanaar: is it me? |
| 07:09.51 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 07:10.12 | vhaarr | norgs: ping |
| 07:10.56 | sylvanaar | norgs sounds so east-coast prep school |
| 07:11.04 | norgs | What can I be doin for ye matey? |
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| 07:11.55 | vhaarr | norgs: hey, I just checked auc5 from your SVN repo, and running it without externals yields a few errors, since the embed chain isn't properly set up via OptionalDeps in your TOCs, so I was wondering if you planned on fixing that or if I should modify my local copies |
| 07:12.59 | sylvanaar | taco bell crunch wrap |
| 07:13.07 | norgs | Hmmm, how so? |
| 07:13.13 | vhaarr | norgs: in fact, your libs, like babylonian, doesn't even have a TOC |
| 07:13.25 | norgs | Some aren't libs |
| 07:13.47 | vhaarr | norgs: So what you're saying is that I must check out your mods with SVN externals? |
| 07:14.15 | vhaarr | [2007/09/20 09:08:57-5278-x1]: stubby\Stubby.lua:1064: attempt to index global 'DebugLib' (a nil value) |
| 07:14.22 | vhaarr | [2007/09/20 09:08:57-5278-x1]: auc-advanced\CoreSettings.lua:395: Cannot find a library instance of "nSideBar". |
| 07:14.34 | norgs | Well.... yeah |
| 07:14.35 | Sarana | I ended up just putting symbolic links in when I checked out Auc, saved me from having to get the embeds multiple times. |
| 07:14.42 | vhaarr | norgs: yeah what |
| 07:14.53 | vhaarr | Sarana: right, that's what I'll do |
| 07:14.59 | vhaarr | unless norgs fixes it |
| 07:15.24 | norgs | well, *I* don't checkout with externals |
| 07:15.38 | Sarana | By the way the new Auctioneer is really nice. |
| 07:15.43 | norgs | *I* use the GetExterns.pl script :) |
| 07:15.49 | vhaarr | norgs: hehe |
| 07:16.13 | norgs | Sarana: Yeah... still a bit buggy |
| 07:16.45 | norgs | I'm taking a few days off work, hoping to get rid of the remaining bugs in case there's a patch on Tuesday |
| 07:16.48 | Sarana | Noticed a couple. Like the zero stack thing. But it was fixed before I could figure out where to report it. |
| 07:17.12 | vhaarr | norgs: so I'll have to do something locally, then, you're not planning on fixing it in the repo? |
| 07:17.39 | vhaarr | you know you could get rid of the getexterns.pl script easily, it's just about making a few TOCs and adding some OptionalDeps |
| 07:17.53 | norgs | "fixing"... it's exactly the way we are intending it to work |
| 07:17.59 | vhaarr | well it sucks |
| 07:18.04 | norgs | probably |
| 07:18.06 | orionshock | lol |
| 07:18.56 | vhaarr | norgs: so what's the difference between checking out with externals and using GetExterns.pl ? |
| 07:19.04 | norgs | well, it's sucked for the best part of 2 years now... no point giving up now when we're so close to the record of longest sucking SVN |
| 07:19.24 | Xinhuan | hi diao :) |
| 07:19.33 | Diao | hiya |
| 07:19.34 | Diao | :P |
| 07:19.43 | Xinhuan | boooored |
| 07:19.50 | Diao | lol |
| 07:19.57 | norgs | GetExterns does a direct webdav fetch of all the externs once, and copies each of them to their directories. |
| 07:19.57 | Diao | waiting for a friend to come so i can finish up my netherwings |
| 07:20.07 | Diao | i like your bug! |
| 07:20.10 | Xinhuan | lol, just doing dailies for easy gold |
| 07:20.13 | vhaarr | norgs: right, so it's just a workaround for how much svn sucks |
| 07:21.04 | norgs | pretty much |
| 07:22.30 | Sarana | I just wish Clearcase supported OS X and that there was a cheaper version available that worked well over the internet. |
| 07:24.21 | orionshock | ah that reminds me i need to go grab auctioneer off of the site again.. the beta didn't quite work as i expected it |
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| 07:25.25 | evl | Where's WUA 2.0? |
| 07:26.26 | vhaarr | wowace.com/wau2 |
| 07:28.33 | orionshock | wau2 plays nicer than wau does when i have wow open |
| 07:30.58 | vhaarr | norgs: it also seems that auc5 doesn't work without auc4 present, the TOCs still have dependencies on "EnhTooltip" and "Stubby" present |
| 07:31.59 | vhaarr | or is it case insensitive |
| 07:32.02 | vhaarr | ah it probably is |
| 07:32.44 | Sarana | I had to change the case of a bunch of the directories when I checked them out of SVN. |
| 07:34.12 | vhaarr | and it seems '/aadv scan' has been replaced by /auc begin' |
| 07:35.42 | Diao | indeed it has |
| 07:35.43 | ZealotOnAStick | Hmm. |
| 07:36.16 | ZealotOnAStick | I would swear that at the end of the BlizzCon highlights video, one guy there looks like David Hewlett. |
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| 07:46.09 | ckknight | Gossip Girl is so absurd. |
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| 07:47.07 | rob` | is that like happy cat is so happy? |
| 07:47.45 | ckknight | I'm not sure why it's focused around high school students, it seems as though it'd be better to focus around college students at least |
| 07:50.37 | ckknight | it's just horribly absurd and unrealistic |
| 07:50.43 | ckknight | and the actors are all like 25 anyway |
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| 07:56.38 | Grum | ckknight: you broke my routes addon! |
| 07:56.46 | ckknight | srsly? |
| 07:56.49 | Grum | yes badly :( |
| 07:56.54 | ckknight | k... |
| 07:56.58 | Grum | the menus are completely broken :\ |
| 07:56.58 | ckknight | how bad? |
| 07:57.06 | Grum | mostly menus but it rendered it completely unusable |
| 07:57.20 | krka | dont think of it as a break, think of it as much more efficient! |
| 07:57.24 | Grum | and i'm not really a fan of the 'click to open level'-configuration as rock has |
| 07:57.26 | ckknight | okay, so do you have an error or what? |
| 07:57.27 | Grum | it's a fekload of clicking |
| 07:57.59 | Grum | well i think it tries to do the 'dewdrop->rock' transformation automaticly but doesnt quite succeed in it |
| 07:58.47 | Grum | dewdrop was somewhat flexible in feeding it 'dynamic' structures |
| 07:58.58 | Grum | for some reason rock-config doesnt handle it quite the same |
| 07:59.12 | Grum | but, i still have to look into it :) |
| 07:59.47 | Grum | can you still just dynamicly add items to the config? |
| 08:00.24 | Grum | humz my config will never work 'nicely' with the tree structure :( .. gotto revise it :) |
| 08:01.19 | Antiarrrrrrc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_092007_005959.jpg |
| 08:01.55 | Grum | omg where did you get my weekend-trip pictures? ! |
| 08:03.23 | CIA-22 | 03ennuilg * r49352 10scorchio/ (changelog.txt core.lua locales/localisation.lua scorchio.toc): |
| 08:03.23 | CIA-22 | scorchio: |
| 08:03.23 | CIA-22 | - Double-clicking FuBar icon will toggle anchors and test bars |
| 08:03.23 | CIA-22 | - Added sound options for warning and expiration using SharedMedia |
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| 08:44.37 | TNSe | thats bad |
| 08:44.42 | TNSe | wowace updated crashed 4 times in a row :p |
| 08:46.00 | Grum | as my guildies always say when something crashes |
| 08:46.03 | Grum | 'move country' |
| 08:46.46 | CIA-22 | 03nickenyfiken * r49353 10FuBar_TrainerFu/modules/DemonTrainer.lua: FuBar_TrainerFu: Fixed demon trainer module trying to use notes module. |
| 08:50.28 | TNSe | not sure I understand that one Grum :P |
| 08:50.50 | Grum | me neither .. and i've run out of countries |
| 08:51.38 | Corgan | WoW keeps freezing when it loads |
| 08:53.08 | Grum | when you start it up? when you log in? |
| 08:53.13 | Corgan | log in |
| 08:53.16 | Corgan | has to do with addons |
| 08:53.40 | Corgan | trying to figure out whyyy |
| 08:53.44 | Grum | tried moving your interface folder out of the way for a sec? :D |
| 08:53.50 | TNSe | okay. |
| 08:53.54 | TNSe | fubar is rock now |
| 08:53.59 | TNSe | thats why I'm having these new bugs? :P |
| 08:53.59 | Corgan | I can log in fine if I disable all my addons |
| 08:54.11 | Grum | yes TNSe, works just a bit different now O.o |
| 08:54.15 | Corgan | http://www.streedo.com/frozed.png |
| 08:54.18 | Corgan | right there... |
| 08:54.41 | Grum | lol |
| 08:54.45 | Grum | that's broken indeed |
| 08:55.30 | Punkie` | Corgan: Lol, I use the same XP theme (except a blue circle :p) |
| 08:55.39 | Corgan | :p |
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| 08:56.00 | Grum | Corgan: what if you disable all addons? works then? :D |
| 08:56.06 | Corgan | yers |
| 08:56.07 | Corgan | yes* |
| 08:56.12 | Corgan | It might be that I have too many... |
| 08:56.25 | Corgan | It was slowing down every time I got a new one |
| 08:56.29 | Corgan | and now it just...stops |
| 08:56.39 | Grum | how much is too many? :D |
| 08:56.45 | Grum | i've ended up with ~340 folders orso |
| 08:57.04 | Corgan | 188 in my addons folder |
| 08:57.04 | Corgan | :/ |
| 08:57.15 | TNSe | wtf |
| 08:57.20 | TNSe | my fubars are fubar |
| 08:58.30 | ramoz | I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE TNSe |
| 09:02.29 | Neebler | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/505 |
| 09:04.23 | TNSe | fubar is like completely random now |
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| 09:07.21 | theoddone33 | ah lucky |
| 09:07.27 | theoddone33 | won the first AV I entered at level 51 |
| 09:07.33 | theoddone33 | free awesome wand |
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| 09:10.18 | Industrial | wand? |
| 09:10.24 | Industrial | spear kthx |
| 09:11.23 | theoddone33 | well I'd use that if I wasn't a mage |
| 09:11.35 | Nargiddley | i got the spear first AV at 51 after about 2 mins cause of not enough horde |
| 09:11.41 | Nargiddley | win by default heh |
| 09:11.49 | theoddone33 | I was expecting to not get it right away |
| 09:12.11 | theoddone33 | but I zoned into a half hour in progress game where horde had turtled and was rebounding |
| 09:14.20 | theoddone33 | at that point where I just need 7 levels til outland |
| 09:14.28 | theoddone33 | but they're an annoying 7 so I'm not that motivated to do it |
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| 09:15.25 | Arrowmaster | i think my 58 orc rogue is undefeated in AV, won like all 4 games ive played |
| 09:16.11 | Arrowmaster | which is just wrong for my battlegroup |
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| 09:18.58 | alcohol | you get items in AV ? |
| 09:19.00 | alcohol | wtf |
| 09:19.12 | Nargiddley | quest for winning one |
| 09:19.30 | theoddone33 | you get items that tend to be good at 60 at level 51 |
| 09:19.35 | alcohol | what's the quest called on the horde side? |
| 09:19.51 | theoddone33 | dunno, look up ice-barbed spear |
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| 09:20.53 | alcohol | useless for me as a dr00d |
| 09:20.54 | alcohol | :< |
| 09:21.09 | theoddone33 | there are like four rewards |
| 09:21.13 | alcohol | yes |
| 09:21.24 | alcohol | wand, pole arm, crossbow |
| 09:21.31 | alcohol | wtf gief dr00d item |
| 09:21.32 | alcohol | :< |
| 09:21.36 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 09:21.45 | theoddone33 | wasn't too good or my paladin either as I was leveling protection |
| 09:21.54 | alcohol | oh well |
| 09:21.58 | alcohol | I'm in outlands now |
| 09:22.02 | theoddone33 | mace wouldn't be bad for a druid |
| 09:22.06 | theoddone33 | at 51 at least |
| 09:22.07 | alcohol | first few quests give imba items compared to what I had |
| 09:22.14 | alcohol | hes 58 now, near 59 |
| 09:22.23 | alcohol | outlands is easy |
| 09:22.46 | theoddone33 | yeah |
| 09:22.53 | theoddone33 | you get ridiculous gear upgrades |
| 09:23.18 | theoddone33 | at least for casters, because there wasn't very good spell damage itemization from quests from 50-60 |
| 09:23.29 | theoddone33 | there was almost no spell damage itemization for plate |
| 09:23.31 | alcohol | I got nice feral stuff |
| 09:23.38 | alcohol | almost all with 20+ agi |
| 09:23.41 | alcohol | and 30+ stam |
| 09:23.44 | alcohol | and + attack power |
| 09:23.49 | theoddone33 | yeah I did it as a rogue |
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| 09:23.52 | theoddone33 | similar gear |
| 09:24.02 | theoddone33 | replaced all my tier 1 by level 64 |
| 09:24.52 | winkiller | I recently saw a lvl 70 rogue with 5/8 Tier3 |
| 09:25.35 | alcohol | I kind of wish my druid was a rogue |
| 09:25.38 | alcohol | I love kitty |
| 09:25.48 | alcohol | but it would make more sense to play a rogue then |
| 09:26.07 | theoddone33 | you don't have to worry about weapon specs at least |
| 09:26.12 | alcohol | true |
| 09:26.21 | alcohol | and I can tank when the situation requires it |
| 09:26.31 | theoddone33 | I want to switch my rogue to pve gear but it will require replacing quite a bit of stuff |
| 09:26.36 | alcohol | I got over 6k hp easily at level 58 only |
| 09:26.37 | alcohol | :x |
| 09:26.46 | alcohol | in bear |
| 09:27.05 | theoddone33 | yeah druid is a cool class |
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| 09:31.21 | |Stan| | good mornin party people |
| 09:33.18 | ramoz | winkiller: well, the t3 rogue was awesome. the chest ie was used a LONG time |
| 09:33.31 | ramoz | some even used it until illidan |
| 09:33.44 | ramoz | (elitistjerk) |
| 09:33.50 | winkiller | yeah but still it's really rare to even see people with that gear in the first place |
| 09:34.13 | ramoz | true |
| 09:34.26 | ramoz | i just hope they use the grapichs in the lvl80 version of naxx |
| 09:35.28 | Gngsk | my BT guild cleared up to sapphiron last week out of boredom after clearing bt/hyjal/ssc/tk, we even got an ashbringer |
| 09:35.56 | ramoz | how can you clear SSC out of boredom? |
| 09:36.06 | ramoz | id rather stab myself in the eye than going back to ssc |
| 09:36.14 | Gngsk | we sold a bunch of loot to pugarts |
| 09:36.29 | Grum | Gnancy: lol .. a legendary ^^ |
| 09:36.42 | Gngsk | corrupted ashbringer, not legendary |
| 09:36.46 | Gngsk | drops from 4h chest |
| 09:36.52 | Grum | oooh :( |
| 09:37.03 | Gngsk | looks legendary though! |
| 09:37.30 | Gngsk | http://wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Runetotem&n=Unholyplague |
| 09:37.33 | Gngsk | legendary icon too |
| 09:38.17 | Gngsk | full judgement and corrupted ashbringer, couldn't look any cooler as a pally imo |
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| 09:39.07 | ramoz | well |
| 09:39.15 | ramoz | you could have the true ashbringer :O |
| 09:39.24 | Gngsk | nobody does |
| 09:39.26 | orionshock | don't tell me he pvp's in that? |
| 09:39.26 | ramoz | but judgement is one of the best looking sets ingame |
| 09:39.33 | Gngsk | orionshock, lol? IF gear. |
| 09:42.01 | orionshock | god i hate windows vista |
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| 09:42.06 | baer_ | moin |
| 09:42.25 | orionshock | half ass implementation of *nix security policy's |
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| 09:44.05 | orionshock | wtb Thread Delete on :http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8562.0;topicseen |
| 09:47.17 | Nickenyfiken | orionshock: haha |
| 09:47.37 | orionshock | check out the ace2 ace 3 rock thread |
| 09:48.19 | orionshock | if you notice all the main stream threads of Ace2 vs Rock he's posted nearly the same 5 lines |
| 09:48.32 | Nickenyfiken | rofl |
| 09:48.44 | orionshock | O.O ... stupidity at it's finest |
| 09:48.48 | Nickenyfiken | I hate that fucking forum now |
| 09:49.50 | Gngsk | someone should switch to rock and make equivalent posts for each non-rock addon on the svn |
| 09:50.39 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.48 | orionshock | *one |
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| 09:53.34 | CIA-22 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r539 10/trunk/ (Nudist/Nudist.toc Nudist Nudist/Nudist.lua): Importing Nudist, because sometimes you just want to run around nekkid |
| 09:54.04 | Nickenyfiken | Hehe I don't even know how to open the FuBar config now. I never config FuBar :-P |
| 09:54.14 | Nickenyfiken | Haven't tried since it was Rocked |
| 09:55.16 | Codayus | orionshock: That post you linked was so retarded, it made my teeth hurt. |
| 09:55.45 | orionshock | ya |
| 09:55.50 | Codayus | For the sake of my sanity, I shall assume that was a clever parody of the archetypal ace fanboi. |
| 09:56.52 | Nickenyfiken | Don't underestimate the wrath of the fanboi |
| 09:57.32 | Codayus | *shudder* |
| 09:58.36 | orionshock | i think my response here is rather complementary |
| 09:58.38 | orionshock | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8433.msg140412#msg140412 |
| 09:59.13 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 09:59.17 | Codayus | That was much too nice. |
| 09:59.33 | orionshock | well i do customer service all day long... |
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| 09:59.47 | Codayus | Wow, working customer service corrupts your mind like that? |
| 09:59.54 | Codayus | Ouch. :-( |
| 09:59.54 | orionshock | kill them with kind-ness |
| 10:00.06 | Codayus | I was with you for the FIRST 50% of that statement. |
| 10:00.36 | orionshock | doing a CSR job - you learn rather quickly ... you cannot ever give a flying fuck about who ever the fuck you are talking about |
| 10:00.45 | orionshock | * / to |
| 10:00.48 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 10:00.52 | Codayus | Good point. |
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| 10:01.20 | orionshock | the moment you do.. is where it all turns wrong, they never go away. they become interdependent on you.... personaly |
| 10:01.42 | orionshock | that's when you either shoot them or find a way to never meet that person again. |
| 10:01.53 | baer_ | *grmpf* my laptop doesn't correctly switch between 1400x1050 to 1280x1024 in xorg |
| 10:02.32 | Nickenyfiken | xorg hates my monitor |
| 10:02.38 | Nickenyfiken | I hate configuring xorg |
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| 10:06.54 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.02 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:11.42 | orionshock | i find myself saying the same 3 things to alot of threads... >.> |
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| 10:18.37 | |Stan| | orionshock: and I just opened all the threads to read the same answer 3 times :P |
| 10:18.57 | orionshock | ... this reminds me of my job... |
| 10:19.12 | orionshock | i repeat the same 5 scripts at 50 people all day long |
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| 10:19.40 | Jiselle | yo |
| 10:19.42 | Jiselle | wasip :D |
| 10:19.49 | Lukian | orionshock, "Would you like fries with that?" |
| 10:20.22 | techs | morning all |
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| 10:22.16 | orionshock | Lukian: "Thank you for calling AT&T Home Netowrking.." |
| 10:22.33 | Lukian | ooo fun! :D |
| 10:22.45 | orionshock | :P |
| 10:23.43 | TNSe | ckknight, something is very wrong with fubar :P |
| 10:24.30 | orionshock | TNSe ... don't think he's on irc.. but i'll help if i can :D |
| 10:24.41 | TNSe | every time I switch chars |
| 10:24.47 | TNSe | it moves 1 item to another bar |
| 10:24.52 | TNSe | so now my bottom bar is empty. |
| 10:24.57 | orionshock | ... ya that's a current problem.. |
| 10:25.32 | orionshock | one thing i've found that helped me alot with that is on other toons when i first log in to em with fubar - switch profiles to char and not default |
| 10:25.42 | orionshock | then it only happens for that toon |
| 10:25.52 | TNSe | meh |
| 10:25.55 | TNSe | its getting annoying |
| 10:26.20 | orionshock | aye ... for me it only happens like ever 5 or so login's i'll find my fubar icons in different places |
| 10:26.42 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.42 | techs | Uhm can anyone give me a link for |
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| 10:26.55 | techs | *.lua toturial on bulgarian lang |
| 10:26.56 | techs | ? |
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| 10:28.19 | ennuilg | Bounce... |
| 10:28.33 | orionshock | techs: http://www.lua.org/pil/ and google translate - good luck |
| 10:28.45 | techs | uhmm |
| 10:28.56 | techs | well its variant..eh |
| 10:29.04 | orionshock | yep |
| 10:29.34 | orionshock | Lukian: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8433.msg140425#msg140425 |
| 10:29.44 | orionshock | wow.... man we are going to have some fun with this guy |
| 10:30.28 | |Stan| | http://ace.pastey.net/74128 <- is this more a Rock or a BulkMail2 Problem? |
| 10:30.58 | orionshock | Message: ..\AddOns\BulkMail2\BulkMail.lua line 380: bad argument #1 to 'match' (string expected, got nil) |
| 10:31.01 | orionshock | sorta both |
| 10:31.27 | orionshock | see ck imported ace options table to rock config and aliased all the options tables... |
| 10:31.32 | orionshock | it's sorta borked |
| 10:32.16 | orionshock | it's BK2's problem because the table isn't setup correctly - it's rock problem because it didn't catch it |
| 10:32.21 | |Stan| | mkay |
| 10:32.35 | orionshock | but bug BM2's author first |
| 10:33.14 | |Stan| | that would be hyperChipmunk |
| 10:33.28 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.03 | orionshock | sprecken'ze dutch anyone? |
| 10:35.19 | |Stan| | hm this happens for other addons as well..guess the aceoption importing is still a bit buggy |
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| 10:41.37 | abbat_w | hi guys |
| 10:42.09 | orionshock | yo abbat_w |
| 10:42.33 | abbat_w | any critical news on addons scene? :) |
| 10:45.08 | orionshock | critical? no ... |
| 10:45.16 | orionshock | funny - why yes there is a new one |
| 10:48.03 | Grum | a new addon? |
| 10:48.37 | orionshock | forum goer that is just hilariously stupid |
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| 11:00.56 | orionshock | Grum: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8433.msg140400#msg140400 |
| 11:01.01 | orionshock | is what i was talking about |
| 11:01.18 | orionshock | --sorry spent the last 15mins refining a response at the bottom of that link |
| 11:02.04 | mbp | am I the only one having problems on EU servers? |
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| 11:11.19 | pb_ee1 | Heya |
| 11:12.00 | orionshock | Ping ArcHUD2 author |
| 11:12.18 | orionshock | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1896.msg140448#msg140448 |
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| 11:19.20 | CIA-22 | 03pb_ee1 * r49354 10LibRockConfig-1.0/ (. LibRockConfig-1.0.lua): |
| 11:19.20 | CIA-22 | LibRockConfig-1.0: |
| 11:19.20 | CIA-22 | - Adding tsvn:logtemplate. |
| 11:19.20 | CIA-22 | - frFR localization of SHOW_MINIMAP_ICON, SHOW_MINIMAP_ICON_DESC, SCALE, SCALE_DESC. |
| 11:21.40 | JoshBorke | ckknight: have you seen http://jira.wowace.com/browse/LS-19 ? if not, I would recommend taking a look at it and arguing your case. I tried but I unfortunately agree with everyone else so I was not able to represent you very well |
| 11:22.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarrrrrrc ping |
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| 11:25.08 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
| 11:25.11 | sag_ich_nicht | look whati found |
| 11:25.11 | sag_ich_nicht | http://epicwowforummaneuver.ytmnd.com/ |
| 11:25.16 | sag_ich_nicht | ~fail Fisker- |
| 11:25.17 | purl | Fisker-: Fail. |
| 11:26.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:27.00 | JoshBorke | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 11:27.00 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down sag_ich_nicht's throat until sag_ich_nicht puts on 150lbs |
| 11:27.02 | JoshBorke | morning nev |
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| 11:27.18 | orionshock | Fisker-: is bad |
| 11:27.21 | nevcairiel | morning JoshBorke |
| 11:27.59 | sag_ich_nicht | why you larting me josh |
| 11:28.19 | JoshBorke | you haven't tested SimulCast yet |
| 11:28.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i know :( |
| 11:29.14 | Grum | what's Simulcast? :D |
| 11:29.37 | JoshBorke | a silly little mod to put a spark on your castbar for everyone who is casting a spell on your target |
| 11:30.09 | Matrix110 | supporting quartz? |
| 11:30.17 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe |
| 11:30.21 | sag_ich_nicht | that's what i'm supposed to test. |
| 11:30.24 | sag_ich_nicht | but didn't yet. |
| 11:30.27 | JoshBorke | that's what sag_ich_nicht is supposed to test |
| 11:30.40 | Matrix110 | ic |
| 11:30.56 | JoshBorke | http://joshborke.is-a-geek.com/trunk/SimulCast |
| 11:30.59 | Matrix110 | My HDD is to slow:-( |
| 11:31.19 | Matrix110 | orwell USB2 is to slow sounds better |
| 11:31.28 | Matrix110 | The requested URL /trunk/SimulCast was not found on this server. |
| 11:31.33 | sag_ich_nicht | you suck. |
| 11:31.35 | Matrix110 | oh |
| 11:31.35 | Matrix110 | SVN |
| 11:31.37 | Matrix110 | ops:P |
| 11:31.39 | JoshBorke | http://svn.joshborke.is-a-geek.com/trunk/SimulCast |
| 11:31.40 | JoshBorke | my bad |
| 11:31.40 | orionshock | JoshBorke: Powered by Linux Error 404 |
| 11:32.00 | Grum | lox |
| 11:32.04 | Grum | indeed :D |
| 11:32.13 | Grum | humz so does that work with quartz? ;D |
| 11:32.19 | JoshBorke | ~lart grum |
| 11:32.19 | purl | puts grum into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of grum's hair of |
| 11:32.42 | Grum | what? :( |
| 11:32.52 | orionshock | JoshBorke>that's what sag_ich_nicht is supposed to test |
| 11:32.52 | Grum | that's a very valid request |
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| 11:33.46 | JoshBorke | if any of your party members have CastCommLib embedded then you should get sparks on your cast bar |
| 11:34.05 | orionshock | eew CCL |
| 11:34.18 | Matrix110 | hmm popular addons having CCL are? |
| 11:34.23 | JoshBorke | grid |
| 11:34.29 | JoshBorke | and simulcast :-D |
| 11:34.31 | JoshBorke | that's all i know of |
| 11:34.36 | Matrix110 | grid is enough |
| 11:34.38 | orionshock | addons using CCL .. Grid |
| 11:34.50 | orionshock | CCL is not a /trunk lib |
| 11:34.52 | Matrix110 | atleast 5 of our healers and like most others in the raid use it |
| 11:34.57 | JoshBorke | CCL is not a wowace lib |
| 11:35.24 | orionshock | eh? Punkie` wana start something? |
| 11:35.38 | Punkie` | shh |
| 11:35.44 | xyu | fight fight fight |
| 11:35.47 | Punkie` | JoshBorke: Do you have a screenshot of what it looks like? |
| 11:36.03 | Punkie` | you can't parry something that happened 20 seconds ago! |
| 11:36.09 | orionshock | lag |
| 11:36.21 | orionshock | watch me - happens all the time in game |
| 11:36.52 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6755-SimulCast.html |
| 11:37.06 | Punkie` | ~lart orionshock |
| 11:37.06 | purl | strangles orionshock with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 11:37.25 | Matrix110 | wonder how that looks with more than 10 sparks:P |
| 11:37.33 | JoshBorke | probably not very good ;-) |
| 11:37.45 | Punkie` | Matrix110: I was just thinking that :p |
| 11:37.53 | orionshock | JoshBorke: CCL required or optional? |
| 11:38.15 | Matrix110 | or imagine a Naxx pug raid with alot of casters^^ |
| 11:38.19 | JoshBorke | it's embedded into it and all sparks are created by castcommlib callbacks |
| 11:38.24 | Punkie` | I would think you need it for the comms? :p |
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| 11:38.38 | JoshBorke | so, required |
| 11:38.58 | orionshock | well the real question is : Is it smart enough to pick up on casting events and UNIT_TARGET events |
| 11:39.04 | JoshBorke | no |
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| 11:39.13 | JoshBorke | because UNIT_TARGET doesn't help with UNIT_SPELLCAST |
| 11:39.23 | orionshock | ok - so it would be one of those ugly to make work "Sync" mods |
| 11:39.45 | Punkie` | orionshock: what's wrong with just using CCL? |
| 11:39.54 | orionshock | personaly.. nothing |
| 11:39.59 | orionshock | in a group ... well ... |
| 11:40.16 | orionshock | getting others to install it to get mine to work is the btch |
| 11:40.47 | nevcairiel | you can only reliably pickup your own spells |
| 11:40.55 | Punkie` | indeed |
| 11:40.56 | nevcairiel | all others are good guesses |
| 11:40.59 | orionshock | true |
| 11:41.06 | JoshBorke | s/good/bad/ |
| 11:41.16 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:41.23 | orionshock | same with dmg/heal and threat |
| 11:41.45 | nevcairiel | thats why threat doesnt try to guess threat for raid members without the mod =) |
| 11:41.49 | sag_ich_nicht | that's why i said we need a general syncing mod |
| 11:41.57 | sag_ich_nicht | but that wouldn't work |
| 11:41.58 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 11:42.44 | Punkie` | no, it wouldn't, because different addons do different things, and sending every bit of information out would be terrible :p |
| 11:42.57 | Matrix110 | and not possible i think |
| 11:43.00 | Punkie` | just because some addon might need a select piece of info |
| 11:43.02 | Matrix110 | atleast if you send every crap |
| 11:43.39 | Matrix110 | its funny to watch addon msgs in a raid when fighting |
| 11:44.03 | Matrix110 | thats what i call spa |
| 11:44.05 | Matrix110 | *spam |
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| 11:46.51 | orionshock | -2.4 ... is that possible Punkie` |
| 11:47.45 | Punkie` | nope |
| 11:47.55 | JoshBorke | must have wrapped around |
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| 11:48.58 | sag_ich_nicht | http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6259/acancergmuk8.jpg |
| 11:49.28 | Punkie` | old |
| 11:49.55 | Punkie` | go to www.wowbash.com if you want to see more of that stuff |
| 11:50.22 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 11:50.28 | sag_ich_nicht | nice website. |
| 11:54.16 | Matrix110 | yesterday was the int. talk like a pirate day some GMs used Piratetalk^^ |
| 11:54.34 | Matrix110 | one of our Warriors started to cry in the raid |
| 11:54.44 | Matrix110 | because he laughed so hard |
| 11:58.13 | orionshock | how do you make an in line link on the ace forums? |
| 11:58.53 | orionshock | like you see the word _THIS_ and it's a link |
| 11:59.25 | Matrix110 | [url=URL]_THIS_[/url] |
| 11:59.36 | Matrix110 | standard BB tags! |
| 12:01.34 | Matrix110 | to bad Wikis dont use them:-( |
| 12:04.19 | LuckyLuciano | so is rockconfig replacing niagra? |
| 12:04.28 | Matrix110 | no |
| 12:04.39 | Matrix110 | niagara=ace2 |
| 12:04.41 | Matrix110 | rock=rock |
| 12:04.48 | Matrix110 | niagare |= rock |
| 12:04.59 | orionshock | rock = trying to play nicely with everyone |
| 12:05.09 | LuckyLuciano | mmm, but its still viable to use rockconfig in place of niagra; since it seems that rockconfig has all my mods in it anyway |
| 12:05.49 | orionshock | RockConfig is iirc way more versatile than Viagra or waterfall |
| 12:05.51 | orionshock | *niagra |
| 12:06.58 | Codayus | ....heh. |
| 12:07.28 | LuckyLuciano | is there any way to get the tooltip on mouseover rockconfig items to the mouse pointer, and not way down in the bottom right hand corner? |
| 12:08.38 | ramoz | id take rock over viagra anyday |
| 12:09.01 | Matrix110 | not like you need to configure your mods that often Oo |
| 12:09.02 | orionshock | LuckyLuciano: http://jira.wowace.com/secure/CreateIssue!default.jspa |
| 12:09.05 | mykx | viagra kinda makes it rock anyway ramoz |
| 12:09.13 | ramoz | lol |
| 12:09.18 | mykx | :) |
| 12:09.26 | orionshock | Project = Rock ; IssueType = New Feature |
| 12:09.35 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.43 | orionshock | oy... |
| 12:13.01 | orionshock | well i hope i don't piss funkydude off too much later today... eh well |
| 12:13.25 | orionshock | hope someone can take care of archud2 |
| 12:13.29 | orionshock | b/c i really don't want to |
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| 12:15.55 | mykx | lolinternet indeed |
| 12:15.55 | Nickenyfiken | Hmm RockConfig got AceOptionsTable support |
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| 12:24.28 | CIA-22 | 03orionshock * r49355 10ArcHUD2/Libs/: |
| 12:24.28 | CIA-22 | ArcHUD2: |
| 12:24.28 | CIA-22 | - externals and embeds.xml need to match paths so that WoW actually loads AceOO-2.0 |
| 12:26.40 | orionshock | ew well.. |
| 12:26.44 | orionshock | night everyone |
| 12:26.46 | orionshock | ttyl |
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| 12:33.45 | |taalas| | Hi |
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| 12:36.00 | lolinternet | http://www.wowbash.com/image-542.html win. |
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| 12:45.01 | Ixchael | Hello everyone :) |
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| 12:46.39 | |taalas| | hey there |
| 12:47.29 | Ixchael | I'm about to attempt adding my addons to the SVN - let's see how badly I screw it up :) |
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| 12:49.43 | ag` | ./cry |
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| 12:50.06 | nevcairiel | whats up ag`? |
| 12:50.08 | |taalas| | what happened? |
| 12:50.10 | ag` | no svn updates on ace3 |
| 12:50.27 | nevcairiel | been talking more |
| 12:50.38 | nevcairiel | design phase on AceConfig et al |
| 12:50.38 | ag` | I've been reading some too :) |
| 12:50.47 | ag` | btw |
| 12:50.53 | ag` | I have some input about that |
| 12:51.12 | ag` | taking a table that's meant to be used for a slash config does not make good UIs |
| 12:51.27 | ag` | imo the best would be a way to easily create layouts for config UIs |
| 12:51.47 | nevcairiel | the idea is to create a table that creates a GUI |
| 12:51.51 | ag` | yes |
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| 12:51.57 | nevcairiel | and "downgrade" that table to console |
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| 12:52.11 | ag` | that might allow for better stuff then |
| 12:52.23 | ag` | but you really need to have more information |
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| 12:53.25 | ag` | it should be possible to create tabbed UIs for example |
| 12:53.55 | ag` | the huge tree dialog that waterfall/rockconfig got isn't desirable imo |
| 12:54.08 | nevcairiel | tabs will be possible |
| 12:54.11 | abbat_w | yeah |
| 12:54.29 | abbat_w | make at gui lib for making gui like windows ;) |
| 12:54.34 | nevcairiel | feel free to post on jira :) |
| 12:54.42 | Grum | having to click to open a section compared to dewdrop mouse-over-auto-open sucks :) |
| 12:55.10 | |taalas| | Why are tabs impossible? |
| 12:55.18 | Health | reread |
| 12:55.22 | Nickenyfiken | Who said its impossible? |
| 12:55.26 | Grum | indeed ;D |
| 12:55.28 | Nickenyfiken | :-) |
| 12:55.30 | Health | His brain. |
| 12:55.43 | |taalas| | oh...sorry...:D |
| 12:55.48 | ag` | in my opinion developers should have some ability to control how their UI is laid out, more than just the parsing of an AceOptions-like table |
| 12:55.56 | |taalas| | nvm me ;) |
| 12:55.57 | ag` | cause UIs needs to be designed, if they are to be good |
| 12:56.12 | ag` | but that's just my side of it |
| 12:56.24 | Nickenyfiken | maybe have a meta table in each level of the config table :-P |
| 12:56.27 | nevcairiel | devs can already do that with waterfall |
| 12:56.30 | Nickenyfiken | meta data for UI layout |
| 12:56.50 | nevcairiel | you dont have to use the table |
| 12:56.51 | Nickenyfiken | If not used it will use default layout |
| 12:57.27 | ag` | Multiple checkboxes per "line", for example |
| 12:57.44 | nevcairiel | devs can already do that with waterfall <--- |
| 12:57.46 | mitch0 | isn't that what's RockConfig's "inline" stuff allow? |
| 12:57.58 | ag` | aha |
| 12:58.03 | mitch0 | maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part |
| 12:58.11 | ag` | never seen it used though, anyone who can point me to some screenshots? |
| 12:58.22 | nevcairiel | baggins uses it |
| 12:58.43 | ag` | I have that installed, didn't config it for a long time though |
| 12:58.50 | ag` | btw |
| 12:59.05 | ag` | something that's concerning me a bit too, for example |
| 12:59.15 | ag` | many Ace addons currently use parser-3.0 |
| 12:59.22 | ag` | but parser-4.0 is Rock |
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| 12:59.32 | Nickenyfiken | ag`: not LibStub? |
| 12:59.39 | nevcairiel | nope |
| 12:59.42 | Industrial | ag`: there is WidgetWarlock that can create widgets |
| 12:59.54 | Industrial | ag`: I have no experience with it though, but maybe someone else in #dongle does. |
| 13:00.02 | ag` | Industrial, thanks I'll check it out |
| 13:00.14 | nevcairiel | parser-4.0 uses rock for like 2 small things |
| 13:00.32 | nevcairiel | could as well be libstub, but guess someone didnt care there. |
| 13:00.55 | Nickenyfiken | Well can't it be changed without needing a major version bump? |
| 13:01.06 | ag` | the problem is, what should we do with a libstub parser derivable? |
| 13:01.13 | ag` | 5.0 would be stupid |
| 13:01.48 | ag` | 3.0 didn't even need a version bump, nothing was changed really |
| 13:02.03 | nevcairiel | you know who did the bumping, go send hatemail |
| 13:02.03 | Nickenyfiken | 2.0 doesn't even exist? |
| 13:02.04 | Industrial | ~seen kaelten |
| 13:02.07 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@adsl-76-251-95-6.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 12h 56m 6s ago, saying: '?'. |
| 13:02.21 | sb | ag`: you want to see rockconfig screenshots? |
| 13:02.27 | ag` | sure |
| 13:02.29 | CIA-22 | 03ixchael * r49358 10Historian/ (5 files): Historian: First version added to wowace.com. |
| 13:02.30 | mitch0 | couldn't libstub support be just bolted on on the current 3.0? |
| 13:02.37 | sb | sec |
| 13:02.37 | ag` | mitch0, yes |
| 13:02.39 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 13:02.41 | ag` | but it's CONFUSING |
| 13:02.44 | mitch0 | like, register with acelib if present, and also register with libstub if present |
| 13:02.54 | Nickenyfiken | Historian ^^ |
| 13:02.58 | mitch0 | acelib will slowly be phased out anyway |
| 13:03.00 | nevcairiel | parsre-1.1 is framework independent |
| 13:03.06 | nevcairiel | just not libstub |
| 13:03.10 | ag` | to have 3.0 and 4.0 of the same lib, but one is for all frameworks and one is for another |
| 13:03.18 | ag` | what happens if someone wants to bump the major version again? |
| 13:03.23 | ag` | who got the right to call theirs 5.0? |
| 13:03.32 | nevcairiel | but someoen didnt like the 1.1 API and created a new one, and see where we are today |
| 13:03.34 | mitch0 | or just call it something else |
| 13:03.44 | mitch0 | TheRealParser-1.0 |
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| 13:03.49 | mitch0 | :) |
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| 13:04.07 | mitch0 | or convince ckk to drop 4.0 in favour of a libstub 3.0 version |
| 13:04.07 | abbat_w | Any news about patch day for 2.2 guys? |
| 13:04.08 | Nickenyfiken | Call it LibCombatLogSucksAsCusBlizzardCantDoThingsRight-7.2 |
| 13:04.16 | abbat_w | Next maintenance or 1-2 weeks more? |
| 13:04.16 | nevcairiel | ag`: its been discussed before, 1.1 was done by rophy, all other versions by ckk, and he doesnt listen to reasoning |
| 13:04.25 | sb | ag`: http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9080/wowscrnshot092007150318bu9.jpg |
| 13:04.38 | mitch0 | oh, that reminds me, 2.3 will completely throw off Parser-{3,4}.0 anyway |
| 13:04.58 | ag` | ah yeah |
| 13:05.00 | ag` | who cares then |
| 13:05.14 | Qaarh | Anyone know how to keep using FuBar etc but keep the old style menus from before? I've tried disabling librockconfig, but it won't stop the rock configurator from popping up.... |
| 13:05.27 | nevcairiel | get old versions of fubar etc |
| 13:05.35 | |taalas| | Qaarh: revert to an older version |
| 13:05.39 | sb | not possible at the moment Qaarh, there is now dewdrop config in rock (yet?) |
| 13:06.09 | Qaarh | Argh, okay.. I just find the rock configurator big and a bit like a rock when it comes to configurating stuff :P Takes more time than menus |
| 13:06.19 | Grum | yup |
| 13:06.41 | Grum | it completely sucks that you have to click for every 'menufold' .. sucks :( |
| 13:06.45 | mitch0 | I'm still struggling wether to update or not... |
| 13:06.50 | ag` | that's because scrollbars in configuration menus suck the big one----> tabs |
| 13:06.50 | Grum | i wish i never updated |
| 13:06.53 | sb | try to config pitbull... it will take ages w/ dewdrop config (you have to reopen + click through menus for every setting) |
| 13:07.00 | Grum | yup |
| 13:07.02 | Grum | seriously SUCKS |
| 13:07.10 | Grum | wtb dewdropmenus! :'( |
| 13:07.11 | |taalas| | sb: I agree |
| 13:07.53 | Grum | my menu looked very slick and elegant .. and now it's this bulky 'i can not move this partly of my screen nor properly size it'-config windows that blocks my whole view |
| 13:08.06 | |taalas| | It depends very much on the art of addon which config method is better imho |
| 13:08.07 | sb | well i'm pretty sure that its easy to implement tabs for 'inline groups' (see 'direction', 'custom font' etc. on my screenshot) |
| 13:08.08 | Grum | and it's ugly colored |
| 13:08.13 | sb | would clean up the menu |
| 13:08.26 | Qaarh | yah, I'm trying to config PitBull now.. it's a pain... |
| 13:08.42 | Grum | with popups you also have a pain - they dissapear if you unfocus |
| 13:08.47 | mitch0 | PitBull config is a pain no matter what gui you throw at it. |
| 13:08.47 | sb | and yes, its not that pretty - but it actually works :o |
| 13:09.10 | Qaarh | It works, it seems solid, but there are so many "argh I want to tear my hair off"-moments |
| 13:09.25 | sb | and once the functionality is in its not far to some nice ui :o |
| 13:09.44 | ag` | what's needed is for widgets not to take up an entire line, scrollbars in dialogs should be prohibited, and tabs should be used instead of the tree in the left side |
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| 13:09.51 | ag` | that would fix a lot |
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| 13:09.53 | sb | well then revert to the non-rock tag?:o |
| 13:10.13 | sb | ag`: mhh - tabs instead of left side? would be 100000 tabs then? :o |
| 13:10.20 | jayrox | hey guys, im looking for a lib or a quick way to check for set bonuses |
| 13:10.21 | sb | so you have horizontal scrollbars ;p |
| 13:10.30 | ag` | sb: no. Each addon should be be listed like that |
| 13:10.45 | sb | ah okay |
| 13:10.51 | |taalas| | The RockConfig reminds me very much of Khaos in its old days |
| 13:10.52 | sb | tabs for every addon submenu |
| 13:10.59 | ag` | A dropdown menu would be better for selecting what addon to configure |
| 13:10.59 | sb | but tree for selecting addons |
| 13:11.03 | sb | or dropdown |
| 13:11.08 | ag` | yes, for example |
| 13:11.12 | ag` | that's my opinion |
| 13:11.20 | Qaarh | oh, and is it possible to disable the fading of rock config? I haven't found it, though I might be blind... |
| 13:11.24 | ag` | or another dialog with icons for each addon |
| 13:11.42 | cryogen | 14:10 < sb> tabs for every addon submenu |
| 13:11.43 | cryogen | <3 |
| 13:11.46 | cryogen | yes please |
| 13:11.49 | ag` | but when you have a window open and you've selected which addon to config, I don't see a reason for the entire tree of addons to be visible |
| 13:12.25 | cryogen | drop down and tabs, we like this |
| 13:12.31 | Nickenyfiken | Hmm root level of the config ui could have a overview of all addon |
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| 13:12.57 | ag` | for example yes, if you open something like a global control panel |
| 13:13.06 | Nickenyfiken | yup |
| 13:13.11 | ag` | you should also just be able to go directly to the configuration of one addon |
| 13:13.17 | nevcairiel | ace3config will give the dev full control which widgets to use, tabs, trees, dialogs, dropdowns |
| 13:13.17 | Nickenyfiken | but if you open a specific addons config that view is skipped |
| 13:13.19 | ag` | and in that window there's not a list of other addons |
| 13:13.52 | Nickenyfiken | I agree ag` |
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| 13:14.27 | ag` | backpat for you |
| 13:14.28 | cryogen | is ace3 anywhere near devs being able to use it? |
| 13:14.40 | Grum | ofc not |
| 13:14.43 | ag` | wish I had more time to get involved in deving something like that :( |
| 13:14.50 | Grum | try again in 6 months :D |
| 13:15.03 | nevcairiel | ~lart grum |
| 13:15.03 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if grum doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 13:15.18 | cryogen | any serious answers? :p |
| 13:15.20 | Grum | oh i can give more information on that if you want ^^ |
| 13:15.21 | ag` | unfortunately I'm not a professional programmer so I'm afraid to throw myself into such a crusial part as a framework |
| 13:15.23 | Nickenyfiken | Hmm 6 months sounds like a long time :-/ |
| 13:15.25 | Grum | cryogen: it was serious |
| 13:15.43 | Grum | prolly less than 6 months but surely not tomorrow for a least 2 :) |
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| 13:16.28 | Sirow | Psssssssssssssssst: "Coming when its done" ;P |
| 13:16.34 | ag` | I'm not sure tbh, I'm not involved in anyway, but most of the "other" libs used could easily be converted to libstub |
| 13:16.37 | Nickenyfiken | Well i expect Ace3 this year or else I'm gonna convert to CT addons!!! |
| 13:16.40 | Grum | lets jsut say that rockconfig and cartographer suck together when you compare it to dewdrop |
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| 13:17.28 | ag` | as soon as AceAddon is working you can start using it |
| 13:17.31 | Nickenyfiken | Yeah yeah whine whine |
| 13:17.36 | ag` | you don't have to wait for the other parts to be done |
| 13:17.46 | Nickenyfiken | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.48 | cryogen | hmm put it another way, will ace2 stuff be easy to switch? |
| 13:18.11 | Nickenyfiken | Probably not as easy as Ace2 -> Rock |
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| 13:18.25 | cryogen | to put it yet another way: what should someone thinking about starting an addon do? :) |
| 13:18.34 | Ixchael | |taalas|: Are you getting my replies? |
| 13:18.35 | ag` | It still won't be hard, from what I've seen |
| 13:18.38 | Nickenyfiken | If I havent misunderstood the whole Ace3 discussion |
| 13:18.50 | ag` | cryogen, start with the framework you like best now |
| 13:19.11 | cryogen | it isnt worth waiting then? |
| 13:19.14 | ag` | convert it later to one of the new when they're ready, it'll be easy |
| 13:19.25 | Nickenyfiken | cryogen: no don't wait for Ace3 |
| 13:19.34 | sb | hah |
| 13:19.38 | |taalas| | Ixchael: No sorry, no queries here |
| 13:19.49 | sb | http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9546/wtbconfigpm1.png <-- would be <3 |
| 13:20.07 | nevcairiel | AceAddon is working already |
| 13:20.09 | Sirow | #rock-whine is empty :< |
| 13:20.09 | Sirow | :P |
| 13:20.10 | cryogen | libs are "supposed" to be framework independant right? unless i missed the ball on that one |
| 13:20.14 | Ixchael | hmm okay - it says something about unregistered users not being able to send private messages - but I think I already did the whole nickserv thing |
| 13:20.17 | sb | look ag`! :p |
| 13:20.25 | ag` | sb yes |
| 13:20.37 | |taalas| | Ixchael: Have you identified yourself after relogging? |
| 13:20.46 | nevcairiel | Personally, i would still use Ace2 |
| 13:20.47 | Grum | sb: what if you have a lot of tabs? :( |
| 13:20.52 | |taalas| | Ixchael: /msg nickserv identify [yourpass] |
| 13:20.53 | Grum | like ... millions |
| 13:20.54 | nevcairiel | rock is still having alot of bugs |
| 13:21.01 | nevcairiel | and ace3 still needs a month or two |
| 13:21.05 | Grum | no way .. rock is bugfree! |
| 13:21.24 | sb | Grum: uhm... addon redesign :p |
| 13:21.31 | nevcairiel | conversion from ace2->ace3 wont be that hard, but might need some time to get into the new API |
| 13:22.07 | cryogen | about that: will the new api assume some ace2 knowledge, or will it be easy to get into for a newcomer? |
| 13:22.09 | Grum | problem is not the api, problem is the hacks people have done around it and making those work again |
| 13:22.21 | nevcairiel | ace3 was designed to be easy on the developer |
| 13:22.31 | nevcairiel | so yeah, newcomers will get in there quite quickly |
| 13:22.44 | cryogen | is there anywhere i can answer some of these questions myself? |
| 13:23.01 | Grum | so, in 1 or 2 lines, what will Ace3 do for you? |
| 13:23.15 | ag` | there's a page outlining the differences between ace2 and ace3, but there's no "getting started" guide for ace3 yet |
| 13:23.20 | ag` | as it's not done |
| 13:23.27 | cryogen | what about more intricate stuff? |
| 13:23.35 | ag` | but Ace3 will be able to do much of the things that Ace2 did |
| 13:23.38 | cryogen | ie: design documents of ace3, anything like that |
| 13:23.43 | ag` | events, init your addon for you, db etc |
| 13:23.44 | Nickenyfiken | cryogen: have you read http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Differences_from_Ace2_to_Ace3 ? |
| 13:23.52 | nevcairiel | Ace3 will provide functionality thats used by like 90% of all addons out there |
| 13:24.09 | Grum | nevcairiel: so Ace3 will be bundled with loads and loads of libraries? |
| 13:24.14 | cryogen | Nickenyfiken: i havent, but i shall |
| 13:24.15 | nevcairiel | no |
| 13:24.23 | ag` | you only need to include that parts you use |
| 13:24.38 | nevcairiel | Most of the Ace3 libs are independant |
| 13:24.39 | Nickenyfiken | "Ace3 is meant to provide all essential functions provided by Ace2, and do so in a a less interdepenant manner. As such nearly all Ace3 libraries can be used on their own." |
| 13:24.42 | nevcairiel | you can use only one of them |
| 13:24.52 | nevcairiel | without even writing a "Ace" Addon |
| 13:24.52 | ag` | will the libstub design fix the problem with loading times btw? |
| 13:25.37 | Nickenyfiken | Loading times :-( |
| 13:25.39 | nevcairiel | a typical addon needs generally AceAddon, i suppose AceDB, and probably AceConsole for simple user interaction |
| 13:25.49 | nevcairiel | but you could write a addon which only uses AceDB |
| 13:25.52 | nevcairiel | and nothing else |
| 13:25.58 | Nickenyfiken | Biggest issue with WoW addons currently |
| 13:26.29 | Punkie` | I don't think it will change the loading times, because the loading times is mostly due to embedded libs |
| 13:26.47 | Punkie` | and with libstub, they are still supposed to be embedded |
| 13:26.52 | nevcairiel | LibStub will not do LoD loading |
| 13:26.59 | nevcairiel | Addons should set OptDeps on the libraries again |
| 13:27.13 | nevcairiel | or do LoadAddon on their own |
| 13:27.23 | Nickenyfiken | That is very good |
| 13:27.25 | Grum | i overhead some guildies bragging on how small their 'addon memory used' was recently on our vent-server |
| 13:27.28 | Grum | that made me somewhat cry |
| 13:27.40 | Grum | later i asked then what it mattered .. and basicly .. if it was >15mb it had to suck |
| 13:27.49 | cryogen | what's "needed" to move ace3 on atm? code or design decisions? |
| 13:27.50 | ag` | I use 20, which jumps to 30 after 3-4 hours raid |
| 13:27.51 | sb | size does matter, mh? :/ |
| 13:28.01 | ramoz | Grum! |
| 13:28.02 | sb | 50, jumps to 100 thanks to recount - but i dont care ;o |
| 13:28.04 | Grum | i've got ~65mb default orso |
| 13:28.10 | ramoz | 20mb default |
| 13:28.12 | Punkie` | ag`: likewise for me |
| 13:28.13 | Grum | ramoz: it's completely broken because of ckknight's changes |
| 13:28.13 | ramoz | 35 in raid |
| 13:28.33 | Nickenyfiken | Grum: what is? |
| 13:28.41 | ramoz | its a secret! |
| 13:28.45 | nevcairiel | cryogen: both, we're discussing AceConfig design, and working on the other libs |
| 13:28.47 | ramoz | me n grums secret! |
| 13:28.50 | Grum | when i turn everything on .. ~80mb orso .. but who cares .. 80mb out of 2gb is like .. nothing :D |
| 13:29.06 | ag` | but I guess there's some of the basic Ace3 libs that already works |
| 13:29.16 | ag` | AceAddon? |
| 13:29.22 | Grum | nevcairiel: whatever you do on configuration - make sure you can easily dynamicly add and remove stuff from it |
| 13:29.27 | cryogen | nevcairiel: are you open to help? :) |
| 13:29.36 | nevcairiel | AceAddon, AceEvent, AceTimer, AceBucket should work already |
| 13:29.46 | nevcairiel | AceDB still has some missing features, but is working in general |
| 13:30.24 | Nickenyfiken | nevcairiel: Do you have any schedules with feature locks? |
| 13:30.46 | ag` | but when you got these basics laid down, there's still a lot of stuff that doesn't work as usual, like libs |
| 13:30.52 | ag` | they need to be converted |
| 13:30.58 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 13:31.06 | nevcairiel | but we need our framework first :) |
| 13:31.18 | ag` | yeah |
| 13:31.27 | Nickenyfiken | Many addons should be converted now |
| 13:31.32 | Nickenyfiken | to LibStub dependent only |
| 13:31.41 | Nickenyfiken | err, i mean libs not addons |
| 13:31.45 | mitch0 | I need GratuityLib converted :) |
| 13:31.45 | nevcairiel | yeah, we try to encourage authors to do that |
| 13:32.02 | mitch0 | then I'll convert RangeCheck-1.0 |
| 13:32.04 | nevcairiel | we already got some working on that, tho |
| 13:32.41 | Nickenyfiken | LibGratuity-3.0 hmm |
| 13:32.47 | Nickenyfiken | Is that a Rock version? |
| 13:33.01 | nevcairiel | i bet it is because LibStub is not cool enough |
| 13:33.07 | nevcairiel | *shrug |
| 13:33.30 | Punkie` | Has a naming scheme been decided nevcairiel? |
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| 13:33.33 | Punkie` | for libs |
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| 13:33.40 | nevcairiel | not yet |
| 13:33.45 | nevcairiel | plus we cant "decide" that |
| 13:33.51 | nevcairiel | just encourage authors to follow one :) |
| 13:33.58 | Punkie` | of course |
| 13:34.15 | Punkie` | I guess LibGratuity-3.0 is a rock library then :) |
| 13:34.18 | sb | "if you dont use xyz naming, your addon wont load!!!" :/ |
| 13:34.27 | Nickenyfiken | LibGratuity-3.0 looks LibStub to me |
| 13:34.41 | nevcairiel | LibGratuity even is libstub, one of the few exceptions then |
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| 13:35.23 | Punkie` | ah yes |
| 13:36.08 | Punkie` | ## Dependencies: LibRock-1.0 <-- from LibParser-4.0 |
| 13:36.08 | nevcairiel | we encouraged framework independant code where we could, guess we'll provide alternative libs when some libs stay rock for no real reason :x |
| 13:36.36 | Nickenyfiken | LibBabble-Spell-3.0 is LibStub too |
| 13:36.41 | Punkie` | well I don't understand why parser should be rock only |
| 13:36.41 | Nickenyfiken | and Zone |
| 13:36.44 | mitch0 | nice, it doesn't seem to depend on anythink now (like Deformat) |
| 13:37.09 | nevcairiel | Punkie`: because ... well .. look at author |
| 13:37.12 | ag` | if it's GPL, fork it |
| 13:37.25 | mitch0 | if not, steal it :P |
| 13:37.25 | nevcairiel | thats the plan :P |
| 13:37.30 | Punkie` | nevcairiel: :) |
| 13:37.34 | nevcairiel | most of the libs are LGPL |
| 13:37.37 | nevcairiel | so no issue there |
| 13:37.40 | mitch0 | mine is PD |
| 13:37.48 | nevcairiel | PD is even better :P |
| 13:37.51 | ag` | there's naming issues |
| 13:38.09 | nevcairiel | we'll provide independant libs where possible |
| 13:38.23 | nevcairiel | authors will switch to the better choice eventually |
| 13:38.54 | Punkie` | independant libs... hmm |
| 13:38.58 | ag` | ckk started calling libs for "Lib"..name, and that's both for libstub stuff and rock versions of ace libs |
| 13:39.03 | Punkie` | you could do an apple |
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| 13:39.07 | Punkie` | iLib |
| 13:39.10 | Punkie` | :D |
| 13:39.17 | Nickenyfiken | hehe |
| 13:39.44 | nevcairiel | well, the SVN will be restructured soon, there will be a clean distinction between rock and other stuff then ;) |
| 13:40.44 | mitch0 | rock/ libstub/ ace3/ misc/ ? |
| 13:40.44 | ag` | I want to make all addons dependent on one addon, and in that addon I will include all externals I use,:D:D:D:D then I will checkout addons without externals :D |
| 13:41.06 | nevcairiel | thats been done before, and it sucked =P |
| 13:41.11 | ag` | I know :D |
| 13:41.29 | Nickenyfiken | LibCrayon-3.0 is Rock hmm, only seems to use Contracts though |
| 13:41.40 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 13:41.57 | nevcairiel | thats one the "good reasons" to use rock =P |
| 13:42.01 | Punkie` | It would be rather cool to have; punkie.wowace.com/svn/trunk/ like a personal googlecode |
| 13:42.16 | nevcairiel | not sure how exactly that will be |
| 13:42.19 | Punkie` | then a decent moderated trunk for release quality submissions |
| 13:42.40 | mitch0 | punkie: you could use googlecode for that with the same effect |
| 13:42.47 | Punkie` | yeah, I know |
| 13:43.00 | Punkie` | but people have way different usernames on googlecode |
| 13:43.05 | Nickenyfiken | Well, how would a LibContracts work? |
| 13:43.07 | mitch0 | so? |
| 13:43.14 | Punkie` | it's harder to browse :p |
| 13:43.18 | mitch0 | pff |
| 13:43.30 | mitch0 | you shouldn't browse other ppl's beta stuff anyway :) |
| 13:43.38 | Punkie` | ... |
| 13:44.13 | mitch0 | besides, there could be an X-beta-svn: in the toc |
| 13:44.31 | mitch0 | anyway, it's a pointless discussion :) |
| 13:44.31 | Nickenyfiken | why not just have svn.wowace.com/svn/project/trunk,branches,tags |
| 13:44.53 | mitch0 | dunno why punkie needs his personal svn :) |
| 13:44.58 | sb | for porn |
| 13:44.58 | sb | ! |
| 13:45.03 | Punkie` | I don't mean it like that mitch0 |
| 13:45.12 | Punkie` | I mean it to declutter the trunk |
| 13:45.16 | nevcairiel | just wait and see, kaelten has it under control |
| 13:45.22 | nevcairiel | everything will be declutterd! |
| 13:45.32 | mitch0 | declttrd |
| 13:45.38 | Punkie` | I just hope it won't clutter itself back :p |
| 13:46.06 | mitch0 | well, proper release tagging is way mor important than current "clutter" |
| 13:46.14 | mitch0 | (I know it's also in the works) |
| 13:46.17 | Punkie` | of course |
| 13:46.43 | Punkie` | but because of the WAU and zips, people don't tag |
| 13:47.10 | ag` | there's an easy way to fix that |
| 13:47.13 | ag` | stop tagging trunk |
| 13:47.15 | ag` | uh |
| 13:47.20 | ag` | stop zipping trunk |
| 13:47.34 | mitch0 | btw, LibGratuity-3.0 has "X-AceLibrary-Gratuity-2.0: true" in its .toc |
| 13:47.37 | ag` | I bet you $2 that devs will start tagging then |
| 13:48.02 | Punkie` | ag`: agreed |
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| 13:48.32 | ag` | except for myself, perhaps |
| 13:48.43 | ag` | but I'm already only doing code in branches atm too |
| 13:49.09 | Punkie` | btw I don't have $2 |
| 13:49.33 | mitch0 | FindDeformat should be zapped from Gratuity imho |
| 13:50.09 | mitch0 | ag: I also do proper releases on wowi. doing drycoding in branches (most of the time :) |
| 13:51.09 | Punkie` | well, I disliked what happened to this channel over the past few days |
| 13:51.16 | Punkie` | when ckk updated his addons to rock |
| 13:51.37 | Punkie` | everyone and their mother came in here saying 'omgz, b0rk :<' |
| 13:51.45 | nevcairiel | thats what it was |
| 13:51.49 | mitch0 | yep |
| 13:51.59 | mitch0 | but it'll be all sorted out in timie |
| 13:52.07 | mitch0 | it's like wow forums after patch |
| 13:52.08 | mitch0 | :P |
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| 13:52.14 | nevcairiel | trunk is currently the "stable release", if you like it or not |
| 13:52.20 | nevcairiel | and everyone should respect that |
| 13:52.24 | CIA-22 | 03jaslaughter * r49361 10JasonQuest/ (. ReadMe.txt): |
| 13:52.24 | CIA-22 | JasonQuest: |
| 13:52.24 | CIA-22 | - Added Dewdrop to svn:externals |
| 13:52.34 | Thrae | nevcairiel: For what? |
| 13:52.58 | nevcairiel | everything, users treat it like that |
| 13:52.58 | mitch0 | For To WIN! |
| 13:53.05 | nevcairiel | so it is that |
| 13:53.27 | Punkie` | it hasn't always been like that though :) |
| 13:53.32 | mitch0 | nev: new BT3 will come out only after patch, right? |
| 13:53.37 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 13:53.41 | nevcairiel | its not working on live =P |
| 13:53.45 | mitch0 | hope it'll rock :P |
| 13:53.47 | Thrae | nevcairiel: More like a lot of people just do perpetual development, never releasing |
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| 13:54.32 | nevcairiel | Thrae: thats another point, but users use WAU to get "releases", because they dont know about svn and all the fluff, and authors should know that.. :) |
| 13:54.42 | Industrial | ~lart mitch0 |
| 13:54.42 | purl | installs a bad bootloader on mitch0 and turns mitch0 into a brick |
| 13:54.55 | nevcairiel | mitch0: it'll rock, but it wont "rock" :P |
| 13:54.57 | Thrae | Well seriously, we've been over this topic 100x times. Kaelten is working on tag support for WAU. |
| 13:55.04 | nevcairiel | i know |
| 13:55.08 | nevcairiel | and stuff will change then |
| 13:55.14 | nevcairiel | but right now, we have to live with that.. |
| 13:55.45 | Punkie` | ~hug nevcairiel |
| 13:55.45 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on nevcairiel and suddenly hugs nevcairiel tightly |
| 13:56.25 | mitch0 | btw, Carto killed me yesterday |
| 13:56.42 | nevcairiel | carto kills babies and kittens |
| 13:56.43 | mitch0 | popped up a frigging big error window right after I got ambushed by a rogue |
| 13:56.45 | Hjalte | mitch0, so you're undead? |
| 13:56.45 | nevcairiel | what happend to you ? :p |
| 13:57.02 | mitch0 | by the time I managed to close it I was dead |
| 13:57.21 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 13:57.33 | mitch0 | I did a furious /rl so I don't even know who ganked me |
| 13:57.54 | pb_ee1 | mitch0: seems the bug is fixed, did you try the latest release? |
| 13:57.54 | mitch0 | so now I have to kill all rogues I stumble upon |
| 13:58.11 | mitch0 | pb: afraid to update rock stuff for a while longer |
| 13:58.29 | mitch0 | I'll give it a week or two |
| 13:58.40 | nevcairiel | http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/tags/Cartographer/1.0/ |
| 13:58.41 | nevcairiel | use that |
| 13:58.42 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:58.59 | mitch0 | I think I'm using something quite close to that |
| 13:59.20 | nevcairiel | i just switched my svn copies over to that |
| 13:59.34 | nevcairiel | until i find the time to work on a new map mod |
| 13:59.46 | mitch0 | pff |
| 13:59.53 | mitch0 | carto isn't bad |
| 13:59.58 | nevcairiel | its overloaded |
| 14:00.00 | nevcairiel | and its rock |
| 14:00.06 | pb_ee1 | mitch0: ho i see, i just updated everything today and is was wroking very fine, without errors (cartographer, pitbull, cowtip) |
| 14:00.07 | ag` | nevcairiel |
| 14:00.08 | mitch0 | and it didn't magically turn into crap just 'cos of rock |
| 14:00.16 | ag` | change bartender3 -> bartender :D |
| 14:00.54 | mitch0 | nev: I don't have any issues with carto (apart from killing me time to time via rogues) |
| 14:01.19 | mitch0 | I even use waypoints sometimes |
| 14:01.22 | aestil | nevcairiel: rock makes it alot more stable, with less memory problems and better config. |
| 14:01.23 | nevcairiel | mitch0: my issue is not with carto :P well, partly. Carto is too big for me |
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| 14:01.35 | aestil | its completely modular? |
| 14:01.41 | aestil | just disable everything you don't want? |
| 14:01.54 | nevcairiel | meh, save the fanboi talk. i know what i am talking about |
| 14:02.02 | Nickenyfiken | hahaha |
| 14:02.02 | mitch0 | nev: why don't you admit that you just want to get rid of all rock stuff? :P |
| 14:02.04 | aestil | fanboi talk? |
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| 14:02.25 | Nickenyfiken | rofl |
| 14:02.28 | mitch0 | :) |
| 14:02.40 | aestil | there are like a billion modlues that I have mostly disabled, how is cartographer too big? |
| 14:02.49 | nevcairiel | mitch0: I'll never use rock, if there is a addon i really want thats rocked, i'll rip out rock and use it then, clear enough ? :) thats just my opinion |
| 14:02.53 | mitch0 | that reminds me, will have to find out which addon is causing a 1-2 sec lag on party composition changes |
| 14:03.02 | aestil | yeah, clearly, IM the fanboi. |
| 14:03.08 | aestil | you are completely reasonable. |
| 14:03.20 | ag` | Now I have to get new popcorn to watch the drama where I try to get my old pocorn back |
| 14:03.28 | abbat_w | Guys.... |
| 14:03.48 | mitch0 | abbat_w.... |
| 14:03.51 | abbat_w | Why you make a holy wars? 'I never use rocked addon, if i need it i rip rock out...' |
| 14:03.52 | aestil | all of the posts on the forums that say 'we really shouldn't be concerned with frameworks' apparently is only applicable to end users, and not devs. |
| 14:04.04 | abbat_w | Damn, it's not a good thing for dev community |
| 14:04.09 | nevcairiel | of course a dev is concerned which framework he uses |
| 14:04.13 | Nickenyfiken | Rocks crush popcorns |
| 14:04.21 | mitch0 | paper beats rock! |
| 14:04.22 | pb_ee1 | stop being stupid. I'm using addons, not frameworks. If i use rock it's that because i use pitbull, carto and cowtip. |
| 14:04.30 | abbat_w | Me too |
| 14:04.36 | mitch0 | it also proves that rock didn't have a formal desing |
| 14:04.37 | pb_ee1 | so there's NO POINT to say "ace3 is better than rock" or the opposite |
| 14:04.40 | mitch0 | s/ng/gn/ |
| 14:04.50 | mitch0 | actually, no revert that |
| 14:04.52 | abbat_w | I'm just using addons |
| 14:04.55 | abbat_w | Not frameworks |
| 14:05.10 | abbat_w | and please, stay by face to end-users ;) |
| 14:05.15 | abbat_w | We won't see devs backs ;) |
| 14:05.29 | nevcairiel | i just dont like people who do general statements like "rock makes carto more stable, and uses less memory", thats just false, rock has been causing more errors in carto the last week then all the month before with ace :P |
| 14:05.52 | abbat_w | nevcairiel, easy please |
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| 14:06.05 | mitch0 | but hating carto just 'cos it got rockified is also kinda extreme :P |
| 14:06.06 | aestil | nevcairiel: there were some transitional phase errors. |
| 14:06.23 | nevcairiel | i dont hate carto, i only refuse to use the rock version :) |
| 14:06.27 | aestil | nevcairiel: your position is absurd as well though. Rock does use less memory. |
| 14:06.35 | abbat_w | Carto was just rocked and it's not a big failure if causing errors |
| 14:06.39 | pb_ee1 | nevcairiel, i'll wait to see how addons are converted from ace2 to Ace3 and then i'll be able to compare |
| 14:06.46 | abbat_w | yeah |
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| 14:06.52 | abbat_w | I think it's be the same |
| 14:07.00 | pb_ee1 | i'm pretty sure it will |
| 14:07.03 | kenlyric | pb_ee1: or wait for there to be any ace3 at all? |
| 14:07.04 | mitch0 | nev: btw, are you including the "AnyUp/AnyDown" option in BT3? |
| 14:07.06 | abbat_w | Ok, nevcairiel ;) |
| 14:07.07 | Nickenyfiken | now eat and be nice |
| 14:07.08 | aestil | necairiel: my 'stable' remark was directed on its memory leakage, which, from end user perspective seems very very low. |
| 14:07.14 | ag` | Hey Nickenyfiken |
| 14:07.17 | ag` | :( |
| 14:07.21 | pb_ee1 | yes, kenlyric, but if they are really involved and the idea is cool, they'll make it |
| 14:07.23 | abbat_w | If BT3 causing an error after you port it to ace3, what do say? :) |
| 14:07.24 | Codayus | When Carto first started using Ace2 (ie, when it was written), there were many errors. If we' |
| 14:07.29 | nevcairiel | aestil: i havent seen any reliable numbers on memory usage, plus .. hey, you cant measure memory usage 100% exact. |
| 14:07.35 | Codayus | re going to make comparisons, let's try for apple to apples ones... |
| 14:07.53 | pb_ee1 | i'm not against or for ace3/rock i really don't mind. even if i think it's too bad i'll probably have to run two frameworks at the same time, if both are good, then it'll be ok |
| 14:08.00 | ag` | oh well thanks |
| 14:08.03 | Punkie` | i want extra popcorn :( |
| 14:08.12 | ag` | :( |
| 14:08.13 | aestil | *shrugs* I used all 5 ckk mods before rock, and using them after rock lowered my memory useage. |
| 14:08.28 | abbat_w | Pff... |
| 14:08.35 | Nickenyfiken | purl: pop some corns |
| 14:08.35 | purl | ibot offers some corns a thin mint. |
| 14:08.35 | aestil | standing around shattrath, my 'memory crawl' is much much much slower. |
| 14:08.50 | abbat_w | aestil, do you play in 'memory usage' or in WoW? :) |
| 14:09.01 | RogueShadow | shattrath! darn you... why why so damgerous for people with lowly pc's... |
| 14:09.18 | abbat_w | Who cares about memory usage? 10 kb more or 20 kb less |
| 14:09.19 | pb_ee1 | A lot of people talk about memory concerns, but in general, it's much better to have addons that work well (i.e. not too much cpu usage). But small memory usage is perfect for not-so-powerful computers |
| 14:09.32 | pb_ee1 | such as mine (768MB RAM is horrible for WoW + Addons) |
| 14:09.33 | abbat_w | I was using discord |
| 14:09.43 | pb_ee1 | Ok. Discord was insane. |
| 14:09.43 | Punkie` | anyone have a new iMac? |
| 14:09.47 | mitch0 | rogue: I usually get rendered only when I'm already on the taxi heading out of shattrath. till then I only see my shadow :) |
| 14:09.49 | aestil | *sigh* way to ignore my point, which was there apear to be less memory leak problems. |
| 14:09.51 | abbat_w | And discord requires insane memory for working |
| 14:09.56 | abbat_w | But this doesn't matter |
| 14:10.02 | Codayus | Memory usage is a useful metric, arbitrary or not. There's nothing inherently wrong with synthetic benchmarks. :-) |
| 14:10.07 | RogueShadow | mitch0: nice. hehe |
| 14:10.14 | abbat_w | End users are not coders |
| 14:10.19 | RogueShadow | Isnt' that a connection issue tho? |
| 14:10.25 | abbat_w | And they don't know about memory usage |
| 14:10.39 | krka | memory "leak" is sometimes better, if it means less cpu time |
| 14:10.45 | pb_ee1 | I actually think that an addon should never ever ever use more than 2MB of memory (except very specific ones such as recount) |
| 14:10.46 | abbat_w | yeah |
| 14:11.13 | nevcairiel | aestil: i'm not saying that rock is generally bad there, ace2 had some leaks. i'm just saying that i hate generalized statements ("rock makes it more stable and more efficient"), the devs do that to their addons, thats in most of the cases not the framework they use |
| 14:11.14 | pb_ee1 | because when you have 24 addons, it's nice to have less than 48 MB used by them |
| 14:11.24 | Punkie` | pb_ee1: I guess you do not use Pitbull then? :p |
| 14:11.37 | mitch0 | nev: in ckk's case it's the same |
| 14:11.40 | abbat_w | pb, why not? are it's not ok if NevcairielBull (for example) uses 5mb of memory? |
| 14:11.56 | nevcairiel | mitch0: thats because his framework is not generalized, but made to fit his addons :P |
| 14:12.00 | pb_ee1 | I do Punkie`, and it uses a little bit more than 2MB, but i limit these addons to 2 or 3 |
| 14:12.04 | aestil | necairiel: given that nothing about cartographer changed, and you said you used cartogarapher as ace2, if the framework has less memory issues, and is overall more efficient, it stands to reason that the mod is now more efficient. |
| 14:12.06 | Punkie` | I would not use 5mb unitframes personally |
| 14:12.20 | Punkie` | My unitframes are ~55KiB :p |
| 14:12.34 | pb_ee1 | abbat_w: well my computer is so old that i cannot run properly wow if I have more than 15MB used by addons |
| 14:12.35 | abbat_w | pb_ee1, just an example. RatingBuster (ace2) uses StatLogic (ace2). Setup both, press 'c' and mouseover over all gear pieces |
| 14:12.43 | abbat_w | After this, open bags and do the same |
| 14:12.48 | RogueShadow | Everybody is welcome to keep the ace2 versions of ck's addon's. Just never update again... at least not yet. |
| 14:12.49 | pb_ee1 | i don't use both of them |
| 14:12.57 | abbat_w | And after this look at memory of RatingBuster + StatLogic |
| 14:12.58 | nevcairiel | ratingbuster is a memory bitch |
| 14:13.04 | abbat_w | It's be far more then 2Mb |
| 14:13.08 | mitch0 | my computer is so old that I run wow in a x86 emulator written in PL/1 |
| 14:13.13 | abbat_w | nevcairiel, StatLogic, not a RatingBuster |
| 14:13.16 | aestil | yes, i only use ratingbuster / statlogic when i'm comparing VERY close gear. |
| 14:13.17 | mitch0 | now I'm off for a coffee |
| 14:13.25 | pb_ee1 | well there are a lot of examples abbat_w |
| 14:13.29 | abbat_w | yes |
| 14:13.36 | pb_ee1 | cartographer_data, recount, colalight, ... |
| 14:13.36 | nevcairiel | abbat_w: all the same :P that lib is only used by ratingbuster iirc |
| 14:13.39 | abbat_w | But you use it anyway, because it's good addon |
| 14:13.48 | pb_ee1 | all addons that use some "databases" actually |
| 14:13.56 | abbat_w | Maybe it's wrong to make a lib like StatLogic for one addon |
| 14:13.58 | abbat_w | Maybe |
| 14:13.58 | pb_ee1 | this is why i limited (by default) elephant's max log to 250 |
| 14:14.03 | Punkie` | I would be very happy if Blizzard added a checkbox in the interface options to convert ratings :) |
| 14:14.13 | abbat_w | But damn, addon is good (maybe best in this category) |
| 14:14.28 | pb_ee1 | ratingbuster? |
| 14:14.32 | abbat_w | yes |
| 14:14.34 | pb_ee1 | :p |
| 14:15.02 | pb_ee1 | i'm still using my calculator ^_^ |
| 14:15.04 | nevcairiel | i dont really care about memory usage. ratingbuster doesnt block my playing experience, because it only creates that memory usage when i am actually hovering a lot of items |
| 14:15.24 | pb_ee1 | sure, but it does for me. but you cannot do anything about it |
| 14:15.30 | aestil | i just try to run as low and lean as possible, SSC's opening area is terrible. |
| 14:15.37 | pb_ee1 | it's working fine, as intended and is powerful. nothing to change. |
| 14:15.40 | aestil | lag + framerate loss is horrible. |
| 14:16.04 | nevcairiel | (lower memory usage _could_ mean, higher cpu usage, tho) |
| 14:16.20 | abbat_w | ergh... |
| 14:16.21 | aestil | nevcairiel: not if i just disable a shit ton of mods that were using memory? |
| 14:16.30 | nevcairiel | not if you disable them, no |
| 14:16.33 | Thrae | Hmmm, what else isn't usually capitalized in an item name other then "the", "a", "an", and "of"? |
| 14:16.41 | abbat_w | sometimes it's not a good if devs make something from devs position, not from user positions ;) |
| 14:16.43 | aestil | i just disable cartographer, ratingbuster, arkinventory etc etc... all via an ACP set. |
| 14:17.01 | aestil | i have to run loggerhead and SWS for my guild. |
| 14:17.02 | pb_ee1 | Thrae: give me a sec |
| 14:17.32 | pb_ee1 | Thrae: not sure about them, giving examples: of on is it at the and to in |
| 14:17.52 | pb_ee1 | + vs ? |
| 14:18.01 | Thrae | Yeah I don't think those are used in WoW item names |
| 14:18.09 | sb | pb_ee1: dump colalight and use sellfish :o |
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| 14:18.19 | pb_ee1 | you'll have to check on wowhead :p |
| 14:18.20 | aestil | is there a way to script an event into one of my eepanels2 scritps which fires if someone comes in, or leaves my group raid? |
| 14:18.31 | aestil | the OnSizeChange even doesn't seem to work well with grid. |
| 14:18.36 | pb_ee1 | sb: is it better coded? or different? more functionnalities? My main problem is memory |
| 14:18.43 | sb | yep, better :p |
| 14:18.47 | aestil | colalight is awful pb_ee1 |
| 14:18.53 | pb_ee1 | "better" doesn't say why :P |
| 14:18.53 | nevcairiel | i use sellfish too |
| 14:18.55 | aestil | also, there is itempricetooltipi lib |
| 14:18.59 | nevcairiel | its a very simple mod |
| 14:19.07 | sb | sec |
| 14:19.07 | aestil | from the WAU, which is very similar to sellfish. |
| 14:19.16 | aestil | both tiny in comparison to colalight. |
| 14:19.21 | abbat_w | Now i never use mods like sellfish / colalight |
| 14:19.23 | pb_ee1 | does it use a database? and if not, how does it "know" the price? |
| 14:19.30 | aestil | it uses a database. |
| 14:19.31 | kenlyric | itemprice tooltip is nice. |
| 14:19.32 | nevcairiel | of course it uses a database |
| 14:19.34 | aestil | like a very small one. |
| 14:19.35 | abbat_w | I think these mods uses resources for nothing ;) |
| 14:19.38 | nevcairiel | no other way around it :) |
| 14:19.45 | pb_ee1 | then how can it be smaller in memory than colalight? xD |
| 14:19.53 | aestil | cause it is? |
| 14:19.55 | Thrae | local function capitalize if s == "of" or s == "the" or s == "a" or s == "an" then return s end return s:sub(1,1):upper() .. s:sub(2,-1) |
| 14:19.55 | aestil | by alot? |
| 14:19.58 | Thrae | Fun fun |
| 14:20.01 | nevcairiel | static memory usage generally doesnt hurt you |
| 14:20.01 | sb | pb_ee1: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2351.0 |
| 14:20.03 | nevcairiel | so no issue there |
| 14:20.08 | sb | see bold text |
| 14:20.16 | abbat_w | And i hope no one make an addon similar to colalight but for memory purpose realise pack/unpack mechanism for database ;) |
| 14:20.20 | pb_ee1 | sb: /bow |
| 14:20.25 | abbat_w | Like an database + archivator |
| 14:20.53 | pb_ee1 | "o noes, it's not ace" (troll detected) |
| 14:21.06 | abbat_w | btw |
| 14:21.29 | abbat_w | 'aced' for me now mean only 'sweet update with WAU'. nothing else |
| 14:21.46 | aestil | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5918.0 |
| 14:21.53 | pb_ee1 | hehe abbat_w, a bit more for me |
| 14:21.54 | aestil | the item price tooltip one. |
| 14:21.59 | abbat_w | ah, no. forget about libs like CandyBar. aced also mean 'have one style' ;) |
| 14:22.09 | pb_ee1 | mainly "less memory used" |
| 14:22.21 | aestil | thats a false sense of security pb_ee1 |
| 14:22.24 | abbat_w | nothing for me with memory |
| 14:22.28 | pb_ee1 | two frameworks = more memory than one framework |
| 14:22.33 | aestil | not in my case. |
| 14:22.40 | aestil | 2 frame works = less memory. |
| 14:22.46 | pb_ee1 | that's impossible |
| 14:22.52 | aestil | *shrugs* |
| 14:22.54 | abbat_w | it's ok if some addon require more memory. if i like it - it's ok ;) |
| 14:23.05 | pb_ee1 | well if you use the same framework in both case :p |
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| 14:23.07 | nevcairiel | as mentioned earlier, static memory usage is not bad |
| 14:23.09 | aestil | i'm talking not about startup memory, but 'using and playing game memory usege' |
| 14:23.13 | nevcairiel | any memory that the GC needs to eat |
| 14:23.16 | nevcairiel | thats bad |
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| 14:23.57 | abbat_w | ;) |
| 14:24.08 | abbat_w | remove all addons like 'atlasloot' |
| 14:24.09 | pb_ee1 | don't misunderstand what i said: i don't think that "ace = less memory" but that "one framework = less mem than two frameworks" in the case that one framework is used in both case |
| 14:24.34 | abbat_w | it's good for memory usage ;) |
| 14:24.40 | abbat_w | Nope |
| 14:24.43 | pb_ee1 | thus because i use ace2, it's generally less memory consuming to use an ace2 addon instead than a non-ace (GENERALLY, not always) |
| 14:24.45 | abbat_w | Ace != less memory |
| 14:24.57 | pb_ee1 | I know abbat_w |
| 14:25.02 | pb_ee1 | that's what i said |
| 14:25.14 | pb_ee1 | quote: i don't think that "ace = less memory" |
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| 14:26.12 | abbat_w | Anyway frameworks wars not a good for dev ppl ;( |
| 14:26.17 | pb_ee1 | no |
| 14:26.20 | pb_ee1 | and for the ace community |
| 14:26.33 | mykx | I could use 400mb more memory and still have plenty so the memory really isn't an issue but I like ace mods because they're efficient and updated often |
| 14:26.46 | Matrix110 | with my old PC i would care about it but not anymore^^ |
| 14:26.51 | abbat_w | yes! |
| 14:26.59 | pb_ee1 | it'll be a pain in the ass to explain why it'll be like that, and it's not a very good image for the ace community |
| 14:27.11 | abbat_w | mykx, i think you like to run WAU and update all addons with one button |
| 14:27.20 | Matrix110 | well noobs shouldnt even KNOW their addon has a framework |
| 14:27.23 | FrostByghte | as an end user I guess I don't totally understand what everyone is trying to decide as there doesn't appear to be a Ace3 out yet...there is no choice to make |
| 14:27.27 | mykx | indeed abbat |
| 14:27.29 | abbat_w | some times ago you should do it manually |
| 14:27.33 | pb_ee1 | Matrix110: I don't agree |
| 14:27.36 | abbat_w | it's was a pain ;) |
| 14:27.46 | mykx | hehe |
| 14:27.51 | pb_ee1 | I think that everybody should be able to know at least what they are installing on their computer |
| 14:28.02 | abbat_w | yes |
| 14:28.04 | pb_ee1 | and not be passive like a lot of people are |
| 14:28.06 | abbat_w | same for me |
| 14:28.32 | Matrix110 | pb_ee1 i said noobs noobs are passive and dont care |
| 14:29.15 | pb_ee1 | humm... depends on the definition of "noob" but that's another debate :p |
| 14:29.20 | pb_ee1 | i'll say that i agree ;-) |
| 14:31.34 | Matrix110 | wtb multi-core optimisations for wow |
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| 14:32.42 | sb | yes! :p |
| 14:32.44 | sb | and dualscreen |
| 14:33.07 | Funkeh` | hi |
| 14:33.16 | mykx | hi |
| 14:33.26 | Matrix110 | dualscreen should be easy to implement normally they "just" need to add these insane resolutions or? |
| 14:33.48 | sb | hmm depends |
| 14:33.54 | sb | you can play with 3200x1200 |
| 14:34.43 | sb | but then all your windows (which are 'centered') are at that 'gap' between your screens ;p (because its the center...) |
| 14:34.51 | Matrix110 | oh true |
| 14:35.21 | sb | so it has to be 1 'primary display' (center = center of primary) and something else ;) |
| 14:35.54 | Matrix110 | but well dual screen is pretty useless for wow imho |
| 14:36.12 | Matrix110 | on your 2nd screen you got browser/IRC if you have 2 screens normally |
| 14:36.13 | xt | sb: you can easily fix that with viewport :) |
| 14:36.27 | xt | and have addons only and such on the other monitor |
| 14:36.32 | pb_ee1 | you can use a dual screen and use aperture to move your display position to the first screen |
| 14:36.39 | pb_ee1 | you can then put all your addons on the second screen |
| 14:36.50 | pb_ee1 | display area * i meant |
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| 14:36.57 | xt | what I just said |
| 14:37.09 | pb_ee1 | hoo just read it, sorry :P |
| 14:37.13 | xt | lol |
| 14:37.20 | pb_ee1 | . /shy |
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| 14:42.05 | sb | Matrix110: well yes - irc+browser on 2nd screen is fine ;o (wow window maximzed on 1st) |
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| 14:42.24 | lolinternet | i could never play dualscreen |
| 14:42.37 | lolinternet | i wouldn't know where to put WoW and where to put IRC |
| 14:42.41 | lolinternet | so i'd need triplescreen. |
| 14:42.44 | pb_ee1 | :p |
| 14:42.59 | pb_ee1 | left: wow: right: irc, browser, ... |
| 14:43.19 | lolinternet | no |
| 14:43.23 | lolinternet | it needs to be in the center |
| 14:43.32 | lolinternet | but then the desk is asymetric |
| 14:43.42 | lolinternet | that is unacceptable. |
| 14:43.43 | pb_ee1 | left: wow, right: browser, middle: a printed screenshot of irc |
| 14:44.02 | lolinternet | ~facepalm |
| 14:44.02 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
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| 14:44.05 | CIA-22 | 03ixchael * r49362 10Historian/ (Historian.lua Historian.toc): |
| 14:44.05 | CIA-22 | Historian: |
| 14:44.05 | CIA-22 | - Moved the TODO list to the Wiki. |
| 14:44.05 | CIA-22 | - Added the Wiki and forum URLs to WoWAceUpdater. |
| 14:44.05 | lolinternet | ~fail pb_ee1 |
| 14:44.06 | purl | pb_ee1: Fail. |
| 14:44.09 | pb_ee1 | ~parry |
| 14:44.13 | pb_ee1 | :( |
| 14:44.14 | lolinternet | WoW in the MIDDLE you fool! |
| 14:44.19 | lolinternet | ~whalecrit pb_ee1 |
| 14:44.20 | purl | ACTION crits pb_ee1 with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. pb_ee1 dies |
| 14:44.24 | pb_ee1 | ~whaleparry |
| 14:44.31 | pb_ee1 | ~whaleparry pb_ee1 |
| 14:44.31 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry pb_ee1's attacks. |
| 14:44.34 | pb_ee1 | aha ! |
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| 14:44.45 | pb_ee1 | no i was wrong again :( |
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| 14:45.07 | pb_ee1 | ~kill lolinternet |
| 14:45.08 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged tachyon gun at lolinternet |
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| 14:45.44 | Marticus | morning |
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| 14:56.35 | pb_ee1 | Morning |
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| 14:58.34 | Nickenyfiken | ~kill death |
| 14:58.34 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-electron gun at death |
| 14:59.59 | Nickenyfiken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u171-byIUV4 |
| 15:01.11 | Nickenyfiken | uh hmm |
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| 15:02.08 | |taalas| | sorry if this is a dumb question but is there a library for access to guild info? |
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| 15:07.38 | vhaarr | |taalas|: RollCall |
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| 15:08.27 | |taalas| | Thank you |
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| 15:23.36 | Atlsa | Are there a addon to store all the stuff thats stored on the server normally (eg, which skills/macros thats placed in which buttons), interface options and such local? |
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| 15:29.34 | Xinhuan | Atlsa: if its stored on the server, why would you need an addon to store it locally? |
| 15:29.46 | Xinhuan | you would be able to access it anywhere |
| 15:30.01 | Hjalte | Atlsa, I don't think so, but i think Flexbar2 stores whats in your action bar buttons, when you use it for actionbar addon. |
| 15:30.27 | Xinhuan | that's cos flexbar2 doesn't use any of the default 120 buttons |
| 15:30.32 | Xinhuan | it isn't stored server side at all |
| 15:31.30 | Nickenyfiken | There is a addon that stored your key config i think |
| 15:31.48 | Nickenyfiken | Can be usefull to backup if someone else "borrow" your char for some reason |
| 15:32.07 | Xinhuan | your keybinds are stored locally on your computer |
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| 15:32.28 | Xinhuan | under bindings-cache.wtf |
| 15:32.41 | Xinhuan | it isn't server side either |
| 15:33.14 | Xinhuan | so if someone logged on your char and changed all the keybinds, it doesn't affect you when you log back on |
| 15:33.20 | Xinhuan | its only when they change and move spells around :) |
| 15:35.39 | Elfire | Does anyone know how to do this: I want to put trinket#13 in my action bar, and trinket#14 too, and I want the icon to be whatever the trinket is... I can put the trinkets themselves in there, but that doesn't update when I change trinkets. I tried macros like /use 13 but they don't show the trinket, only the question mark... |
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| 15:36.44 | Arcaia | I hate when people move spells around |
| 15:36.48 | Atlsa | Xinhuan, different layouts on different computers, but form the same account |
| 15:37.00 | Arcaia | get on go to arcane intellect and get a friggin frost nova. |
| 15:37.02 | Arcaia | suckz. |
| 15:37.03 | Atlsa | from even |
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| 15:38.24 | Xinhuan | Elfire: that is a known bug and is fixed in the nonexistant patch 2.2 |
| 15:38.44 | Thrae | !help p |
| 15:38.44 | ThraeBot | !p <item name or id>[; <server>][; <region>][; <faction>] -- Displays price info from Wowecon. Besides the item name or id, all other arguments are optional, but must be seperated by a semi-colon. Servers may have to be very explicit, such as Amun'Thul instead of amun'thul. |
| 15:38.48 | Thrae | !p primal shadow; lightninghoof; us; horde |
| 15:38.48 | ThraeBot | Thrae: Name: Primal Shadow; Vendor: 40s; Deposit (24h): 24s; Auction (Lightninghoof): 9g 50s; Auction (All): 9g [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
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| 15:40.23 | sb | hm lol Thrae :o |
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| 15:41.49 | Elfire | ok thanks Xinhuan |
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| 15:43.51 | sb | !p primal shadow; khaz'goroth; eu; horde |
| 15:43.52 | ThraeBot | sb: Name: Primal Shadow; Vendor: 40s; Deposit (24h): 24s; Auction (All): 9g [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:44.16 | sb | hm doesnt work :o |
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| 15:46.32 | Morghus | Historian is hilarious hahah \o/ |
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| 15:47.43 | dodga | !p void crystal; frostmourne; eu; alliance |
| 15:47.45 | ThraeBot | dodga: Name: Void Crystal; Auction (Frostmourne): 26g 87s; Auction (All): 28g [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:47.50 | dodga | Funny :D |
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| 15:48.13 | Thrae | dodga: That it's lower on your server? |
| 15:48.14 | sb | dodga: stalker! :/ |
| 15:48.20 | Punkie` | !p fel lotus; kazzak; eu; alliance |
| 15:48.21 | ThraeBot | Punkie`: Name: Fel Lotus; Vendor: 1g; Deposit (24h): 60s; Auction (Kazzak): 16g; Auction (All): 11g 95s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:48.32 | dylanm_ | Does anyone actually use the wowecon mod/downloader? Is it good? |
| 15:48.46 | Punkie` | i wish the prices for fel lotus were that cheap |
| 15:48.47 | dodga | ThraeBot: Actually Frostmourne is the server I play on |
| 15:48.52 | Nickenyfiken | !p Whore; Outland; eu; Horde |
| 15:48.53 | ThraeBot | Nickenyfiken: that is not the item you're looking for! |
| 15:49.00 | sb | haha! :P |
| 15:49.01 | Nickenyfiken | :-( |
| 15:49.07 | dodga | But I can never sell them for 25 :\ |
| 15:49.17 | dodga | Right now there are crystals for less than 20 in the AH :o |
| 15:49.21 | Punkie` | !p fel Captured Firefly; kazzak; eu; alliance |
| 15:49.22 | ThraeBot | Punkie`: that is not the item you're looking for! |
| 15:49.24 | dodga | sb: Why yes! :D |
| 15:49.28 | Punkie` | !p Captured Firefly; kazzak; eu; alliance |
| 15:49.29 | ThraeBot | Punkie`: Name: Captured Firefly; Vendor: 12s 50c; Deposit (24h): 7s 50c; Auction (All): 155g [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:49.43 | Nickenyfiken | !p The Stoppable Force; Outland; eu; Horde |
| 15:49.44 | ThraeBot | Nickenyfiken: that is not the item you're looking for! |
| 15:49.51 | Nickenyfiken | meh |
| 15:50.03 | Nickenyfiken | !p Silk cloth; Outland; eu; Horde |
| 15:50.04 | ThraeBot | Nickenyfiken: Name: Silk Cloth; Vendor: 1s 50c; Deposit (24h): 90c; Auction (Outland): 5s; Auction (All): 3s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
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| 15:50.26 | Punkie` | !p Star of Elune; kazzak; eu; alliance |
| 15:50.26 | ThraeBot | Punkie`: Name: Star of Elune; Vendor: 3g; Deposit (24h): 1g 80s; Auction (Kazzak): 45g 99s; Auction (All): 41g 76s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:50.41 | lolinternet | lol. |
| 15:51.07 | JoshBorke | ~lart lolinternet |
| 15:51.07 | purl | installs a bad bootloader on lolinternet and turns lolinternet into a brick |
| 15:51.25 | techs | xaxaxa |
| 15:51.52 | Thrae | Who else here reads "lolinternet" as "loli-internet"? |
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| 15:54.13 | Wobin__ | oh man |
| 15:54.18 | Wobin__ | auction info? |
| 15:54.27 | Thrae | Yep |
| 15:54.34 | Wobin__ | where's it pulled from? |
| 15:54.39 | Wobin__ | wowecon? |
| 15:54.47 | Punkie` | ~lart Wobin__ |
| 15:54.47 | purl | drops a humongous exploding nuke on Wobin__ |
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| 15:54.55 | Wobin__ | ~lart Punkie` |
| 15:54.55 | purl | holds Punkie` to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 15:54.58 | Funkeh` | !p Primal Fire; Silvermoon; eu; alliance |
| 15:54.59 | ThraeBot | Funkeh`: Name: Primal Fire; Vendor: 40s; Deposit (24h): 24s; Auction (Silvermoon): 28g; Auction (All): 23g 40s; Disenchant (Silvermoon): 4g 16s; Disenchant (All): 4g 7s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:55.01 | Thrae | You'd think that by the wowecon link on the end of every result |
| 15:55.04 | Punkie` | woo spank |
| 15:55.07 | Wobin__ | possibly =) |
| 15:55.09 | Wobin__ | but I'm tired |
| 15:55.25 | Wobin__ | Thanks, Thrae =) That's a great feature |
| 15:55.50 | Punkie` | Funkeh`: did you migrate btw? |
| 15:55.50 | Thrae | Heh, Industrial pointed me towards the site |
| 15:56.10 | Funkeh` | Is there any way I can prevent links clicked in chatzilla not opening in seamonkey? :) |
| 15:56.16 | evl | !p Large Prismatic Shard; Kazzak; eu; alliance |
| 15:56.16 | ThraeBot | evl: Name: Large Prismatic Shard; Auction (Kazzak): 25g; Auction (All): 16g 95s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:56.39 | Punkie` | evl: it's clearly wrong or out of date :p |
| 15:56.40 | Funkeh` | Punkie`: A while ago |
| 15:56.47 | Punkie` | you changed your name! :< |
| 15:56.54 | Nickenyfiken | Hmm isn't the prices on wowecon.com very unreliable? |
| 15:56.58 | Arcaia | !p Light Leather; Shattered Hand; us; Horde |
| 15:56.58 | ThraeBot | Arcaia: Name: Light Leather; Vendor: 15c; Deposit (24h): 9c; Auction (Shattered Hand): 1s; Auction (All): 1s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:57.10 | Funkeh` | Punkie`: Yeah, why? ;p |
| 15:57.16 | Arcaia | heh, it sells for 1.3g per stack |
| 15:57.19 | Arcaia | bot lied to me |
| 15:57.26 | Arcaia | thats how i make meh riches. |
| 15:57.33 | Punkie` | dunno, just saw one of your screenies and you weren't called funkydude :< |
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| 15:57.41 | Wobin__ | !p khorium belt; Argent Dawn; us; Alliance |
| 15:57.42 | ThraeBot | Wobin__: Name: Khorium Belt; Vendor: 3g 11s 3c; Deposit (24h): 1g 86s 61c; Auction (All): 25g; Disenchant (Argent Dawn): 15g 99s; Disenchant (All): 16g 95s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:57.48 | Funkeh` | heh |
| 15:57.54 | Wobin__ | !p felsteel gloves; Argent Dawn; us; Alliance |
| 15:57.55 | ThraeBot | Wobin__: Name: Felsteel Gloves; Vendor: 3g 3s 11c; Deposit (24h): 1g 81s 86c; Auction (All): 33g 38s; Disenchant (Argent Dawn): 16g 8s; Disenchant (All): 17g 8s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:58.35 | Punkie` | !p Blinkstrike; kazzak; eu; alliance |
| 15:58.35 | ThraeBot | Punkie`: Name: Blinkstrike; Vendor: 10g 19s 34c; Deposit (24h): 6g 11s 60c; Auction (All): 1625g 18s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
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| 15:58.42 | Wobin__ | !p pattern: Netherdrake Gloves; Argent Dawn; us; Alliance |
| 15:58.42 | ThraeBot | Wobin__: Name: Pattern: Netherdrake Gloves; Vendor: 6g; Deposit (24h): 3g 60s; Auction (All): 742g 97s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 15:58.48 | Wobin__ | woo |
| 15:58.58 | Wobin__ | I should put that up for 800ish |
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| 15:59.49 | Thrae | I think Wowecon gets its data from both Thottbot and Alalahahazakahamamama |
| 16:00.04 | Nickenyfiken | Don't you have to run their client? |
| 16:00.18 | Thrae | No, I think they data mine as well from those two sites |
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| 16:00.25 | LordRhys | Is there any documentation for using LibStub? Jira does not have any documentation links and it not on the wowace.com pages |
| 16:00.41 | Wobin__ | it's in wowwiki I believe |
| 16:00.52 | kaelten | its on wowwiki |
| 16:00.54 | LordRhys | ok let e take a qiock look |
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| 16:00.59 | Wobin__ | http://www.wowwiki.com/LibStub |
| 16:01.00 | Punkie` | yes http://www.wowwiki.com/LibStub |
| 16:01.04 | Punkie` | noo wobin |
| 16:01.54 | sb | WobinBot :/ |
| 16:02.05 | Funkeh` | ~libstub |
| 16:02.06 | Punkie` | ~whalestab Wobin__ |
| 16:02.07 | purl | ACTION stabs Wobin__ with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 16:02.07 | Wobin__ | night all =) |
| 16:02.08 | sb | !wiki LibStub |
| 16:02.11 | sb | ~wiki LibStub |
| 16:02.13 | sb | mh |
| 16:02.41 | Wobin__ | we should get Thraebot hooked into wowwiki like purl is into wikipedia =) |
| 16:02.49 | evl | wtf :P |
| 16:02.49 | Funkeh` | purl, LibStub is a minimalistic versioning library that allows other libraries to easily register themselves and upgrade. It is meant to be a cross-community library sharing system. http://www.wowwiki.com/LibStub |
| 16:02.49 | purl | Funkeh`: okay |
| 16:02.51 | evl | l2use quicksilver |
| 16:02.58 | Nickenyfiken | docs looks much better on wowwiki |
| 16:03.02 | evl | ctrl+space+wowi+LibStub+Enter done |
| 16:03.03 | Nickenyfiken | compared to wowace |
| 16:03.09 | Funkeh` | ~libstub |
| 16:03.10 | purl | somebody said libstub was a minimalistic versioning library that allows other libraries to easily register themselves and upgrade. It is meant to be a cross-community library sharing system. http://www.wowwiki.com/LibStub |
| 16:03.13 | Wobin__ | quicksilver is cool |
| 16:03.23 | evl | I use Dash for windows atm |
| 16:03.30 | evl | Works pretty much the same way except for the chaining |
| 16:03.33 | ennuilg | Quick question: CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PARTY_DAMAGE: Raidwide, or just your group? |
| 16:03.48 | Wobin__ | raidwide I'd guess |
| 16:04.07 | Wobin__ | otherwise damagestats mods wouldn't be overly useful |
| 16:04.09 | Mech0z | anyone using tattle that know what this means "In the addon screen make sure that the Gladiator_Region# files are all enabled" |
| 16:04.31 | durcyn | Mech0z: you have to pull down the data for your battlegroup |
| 16:04.44 | ennuilg | Yeah - unless there's another way of getting raidwide info, such as CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_DAMAGE |
| 16:05.18 | Mech0z | durcyn how? The Bat file just says the path dont exsist and I guess thats the one which fetches the data? |
| 16:06.10 | Wobin__ | ennuilg: actually I have no idea |
| 16:06.13 | Wobin__ | you'll have to test it |
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| 16:06.38 | ennuilg | Fair enough... Thanks anyhow. |
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| 16:09.11 | RaydenUni | hi |
| 16:09.35 | RaydenUni | !p primal water |
| 16:09.36 | ThraeBot | RaydenUni: Name: Primal Water; Vendor: 40s; Deposit (24h): 24s; Auction (All): 18g 43s; Disenchant (All): 4g 12s [[ http://www.wowecon.com ]] |
| 16:10.28 | stavmar | what a cool addon, lol http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Historian |
| 16:10.44 | LordRhys | ok thanks found it there |
| 16:11.20 | Codayus | stavmar: Indeed... |
| 16:11.27 | lolinternet | Antiarrrrrrc ping! |
| 16:11.31 | lolinternet | ~ping |
| 16:11.32 | purl | pong |
| 16:11.46 | sag_ich_nicht | purl, die |
| 16:11.47 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 16:12.00 | Codayus | But if I install it now, the data will be incomplete! |
| 16:12.07 | Kirkburn | Funkeh`, ping |
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| 16:12.58 | stavmar | Codayus: yeah, but i fugure for the next all it would be nice to know |
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| 16:13.05 | stavmar | s/all/alt |
| 16:13.12 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 16:13.16 | Codayus | Ya |
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| 16:20.48 | ennuilg | The answer is (for anyone interested) - in a raid, CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PARTY_DAMAGE does only work if the player casting is in your group. Otherwise, it triggers CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLY_PLAYER_DAMAGE. Which is a pain. |
| 16:21.04 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 16:21.06 | cncfanatics | more blizz shit |
| 16:21.15 | cncfanatics | btw, anyone knows how to get the range of a spell ? |
| 16:21.33 | techs | u mean like addon? |
| 16:21.37 | techs | to see the range/ |
| 16:21.38 | techs | ? |
| 16:21.50 | cncfanatics | no |
| 16:21.54 | cncfanatics | I want to find out the range of a spell |
| 16:21.56 | cncfanatics | for my addon |
| 16:22.03 | cncfanatics | coding wise, API wise :p |
| 16:22.07 | techs | well make a char and see it D |
| 16:22.16 | techs | :P* |
| 16:22.40 | techs | what addon r u making? |
| 16:22.56 | cncfanatics | ~flexbar2 |
| 16:22.57 | purl | i guess flexbar2 is A button manipulation addon currently in beta, find the latest info at http://wowace.com/wiki/FlexBar2 |
| 16:23.02 | cncfanatics | techs, make a char and see |
| 16:23.08 | cncfanatics | is NOT a usefull answer |
| 16:23.13 | art3mis | cnc just check any range addon |
| 16:23.14 | cncfanatics | tell me what god damn api function makes me see it |
| 16:23.17 | Funkeh` | Kirkburn: ? |
| 16:23.28 | cncfanatics | art3mis, I fear they parse tooltips |
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| 16:23.36 | techs | dunno and sry cncfanatics |
| 16:23.38 | Kirkburn | Are you "Funkydude"? |
| 16:23.39 | art3mis | wont know til you look i spose |
| 16:23.45 | dylanm_ | cncfanatics: I think that's the way. |
| 16:23.50 | Funkeh` | yes |
| 16:24.13 | art3mis | Kirkburn: he's a globtrotter now so he's funkehhhhhhhh |
| 16:24.13 | cncfanatics | dylanm_, sucks then :/ |
| 16:24.25 | art3mis | globe |
| 16:24.43 | cncfanatics | any libs around that contain spell ranges ? |
| 16:24.48 | Funkeh` | o_o |
| 16:25.16 | dylanm_ | cncfanatics: What do you need this for? |
| 16:25.23 | _rane | Didn't kc_items use to have linklist or something like that? |
| 16:25.35 | cncfanatics | dylanm_; make my range checking onupdate code more efficient |
| 16:25.52 | dylanm_ | cncfanatics: How so? |
| 16:25.57 | Thrae | _rane: A linked list for what? |
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| 16:26.00 | Kirkburn | Funkeh`, was just interested :P I removed your tocright cause I have a vendetta against it atm :P |
| 16:26.06 | _rane | Thrae: items |
| 16:26.22 | Funkeh` | Kirkburn: What from? |
| 16:26.36 | cncfanatics | dylanm_, if I could read the range of a spell, I could cache its result, and only check it once instead of checking once per spell |
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| 16:26.47 | cncfanatics | (supose u have 10 spells with the same range, u'd check once for those 10 instead of 10 times) |
| 16:26.50 | Thrae | _rane: No, it uses a compressed data index by item id |
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| 16:27.07 | Thrae | _rane: No, it uses compressed data, indexed by item id |
| 16:27.34 | _rane | hmm |
| 16:28.26 | dylanm_ | cncfanatics: There appears to be a RangeCheck Ace library. |
| 16:29.18 | _rane | Thrae: do you have any suggestions for an addon that i can check up and link items that i have never seen or don't have? |
| 16:29.20 | dylanm_ | cncfanatics: I think what the author has done is focus on getting a number for the range, so he's just putting in a representative from each "range class" as it were... |
| 16:29.35 | dylanm_ | _rane: I use Ludwig for that purpose. |
| 16:30.11 | Thrae | _rane: KC_Items is fine... |
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| 16:30.41 | Cartas | Better than Ludwig nowadays, Thrae? :o |
| 16:30.49 | Thrae | Dunno. |
| 16:30.58 | dylanm_ | cncfanatics: Seems like you gotta go with spell tooltips :p same as the situation for items, really. |
| 16:31.12 | Thrae | I heard something about Ludwig, but I can't remember if it was good or bad. |
| 16:31.31 | _rane | Thrae: so how do I get list of the items? :/ |
| 16:31.55 | _rane | i tried /kci and such |
| 16:32.01 | Thrae | _rane: /kci gives you the list of options for kc items. There's also a FuBar plugin for KC_Items. |
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| 16:32.35 | _rane | ok, thanks |
| 16:32.59 | cncfanatics | dylanm_, I cba then tbh |
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| 16:33.44 | dylanm_ | cncfanatics: Use gratuity :p |
| 16:34.09 | CIA-22 | 03ulic * r49363 10LittleWigs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): LittleWigs: 3 more deDE updates from AgentRocket |
| 16:34.09 | CIA-22 | 03happywarbird * r49368 10SmartQueue/Locale-deDE.lua: SmartQueue: Edit Locale-deDE.lua, because of errors |
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| 16:34.36 | cncfanatics | won't bother me thinks |
| 16:34.50 | cncfanatics | not just to win a minimum amount of cpu cycles |
| 16:35.05 | dylanm_ | cncfanatics: Yeah that's the other thing. I don't think any bar addons do that sort of optimisation. |
| 16:35.22 | cncfanatics | most bar addons are quite optimized |
| 16:35.28 | cncfanatics | I recently got rid of all my OnUpdate code except for range checks |
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| 16:35.32 | dylanm_ | cncfanatics: With the range checking, I mean. |
| 16:35.34 | cncfanatics | halved the cpu usage |
| 16:35.42 | Zariel | afternoon |
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| 16:37.11 | Zariel | oh snap |
| 16:37.16 | Zariel | new rock config changes make me moist |
| 16:37.37 | cncfanatics | eh ? |
| 16:37.40 | cncfanatics | explain ? |
| 16:38.05 | Zariel | the fading :) |
| 16:38.10 | cncfanatics | good or bad ? |
| 16:38.13 | Zariel | awsome |
| 16:38.16 | PProvost | I think that is good ckk |
| 16:38.20 | _rane | Thrae: err, do i need KC_Linkview to get the list, or? |
| 16:38.20 | PProvost | I'm liking too |
| 16:38.38 | Zariel | though i think it should fade gradually, like bongos config |
| 16:38.44 | PProvost | JUst still having this issue with my second FuBar not keeping its config between sessions |
| 16:38.53 | PProvost | Mah. Fades are gold plating. |
| 16:38.55 | cncfanatics | anyone feels like reading some code and seeing if it can be optimized ? :) |
| 16:40.21 | Tuller | yaycode? |
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| 16:41.10 | cncfanatics | lua code :) |
| 16:41.54 | Tuller | I don't like the fading :P |
| 16:43.15 | Tuller | its deceptive! |
| 16:43.29 | Nickenyfiken | Uh fading? |
| 16:44.31 | Tuller | the rock config window fades out when your mouse is not over it |
| 16:45.09 | Pheredhel | Kaelten: ping |
| 16:45.23 | PProvost | I don't care for it either. Waste of time and doesn't add value. |
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| 16:45.52 | Zariel | great for configuring things where you need to view more screen |
| 16:46.17 | silentium | the fading is nice if you wanna config something that is otherwise hidden by the config window |
| 16:47.11 | _rane | i don't get it |
| 16:47.16 | Nickenyfiken | Ah-ha |
| 16:47.22 | _rane | i downloaded latest kc_items from files.wowace.com |
| 16:47.36 | _rane | it obviously doesn't have the linkview module? |
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| 16:47.48 | Nickenyfiken | I want a taskbar in wow :-P |
| 16:47.50 | Tuller | silentium: so step 1: config thing, step 2 mouse away from window, step 3 see thing is messed up, step 4, go over window again :) |
| 16:48.05 | Tuller | it should be an option, probably |
| 16:48.08 | techs | cncfanatics can i talk you in private? |
| 16:48.23 | techs | to ask some things about lang |
| 16:48.34 | silentium | Tuller: I guess, yeah - still better than closing the config window, ten re-opening and searching the options in the tree again |
| 16:49.02 | cncfanatics | techs, of course |
| 16:49.06 | Tuller | silentium: true, but seeing the entire ui fade scares me :P |
| 16:49.09 | cncfanatics | u cld also ask here |
| 16:49.18 | silentium | but dunno, I always preferred the DewDrop way of mouseover-ing submenu entries instead of having to click for every step |
| 16:49.49 | techs | well im a little shamy |
| 16:49.54 | techs | shame* |
| 16:49.55 | techs | nvm |
| 16:50.06 | Tuller | context menus are good for small things, but they were overly abused :) |
| 16:50.15 | Tuller | I'm sure they'll return in rock at some point |
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| 16:51.15 | Pheredhel | Kaelten: what do I have to do,to get a project set up in Jira? (s.o. told me to ask you) |
| 16:52.27 | cncfanatics | Kaelten, same question |
| 16:53.27 | Kirkburn | Funkeh`, what do you think I mean? You only just added it :/ |
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| 16:55.30 | Kaelten | send an email to the svn addy so I don't forget to make it :) |
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| 16:56.18 | yssaril | Kaelten: any plans on making files.wowace.com integrate into the actual site? right now t dosnt even link back to wowace |
| 16:57.03 | Kaelten | heh, oversite on my side but yess it will have futher integration |
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| 16:57.51 | yssaril | Kaelten: cool causse right now the colors and the layout dosnt really flow with the rest of the site :) btw i like the change from just pages to alphabetical listings |
| 16:59.35 | _rane | Kaelten: hey, isn't KC_items your addon? |
| 16:59.41 | yssaril | Kaelten: also anyplans to add a link to the wikipages of each addon (if it exists)? |
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| 17:00.09 | Kaelten | _rane: yes |
| 17:00.18 | Pheredhel | thanks kaelten |
| 17:00.20 | alcohol | Kaelten: no_ext links ? |
| 17:00.20 | Kaelten | yssaril: yes, among other things |
| 17:00.28 | Kaelten | alcohol: also will be happening |
| 17:00.32 | alcohol | <3 |
| 17:00.41 | Kaelten | there is a lot more planned |
| 17:00.55 | Kaelten | but nothign major will change until after patch day I'm thinking |
| 17:00.56 | _rane | Kaelten: i just downloaded the latest version from files.wowace.com but it doesn't have the feature it used to have that i'm looking for, the linkview or what is it called |
| 17:01.08 | Kaelten | right, thats not done yet :( |
| 17:01.08 | yssaril | Kaelten: woot |
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| 17:02.19 | _rane | Kaelten: ah, so should i get older version or..? |
| 17:02.21 | yssaril | btw on patchdays is the SVN as bogged down as the files.wowace.com? |
| 17:02.51 | Kaelten | if thats a feature that you really want you'll have to wait till I have more time or go back to the Ace1 version |
| 17:03.10 | Srosh | Or get a different addon to do it for you. |
| 17:03.17 | Kaelten | yssaril: on patch day I'm going to be turning off fisheye and jira. to allow headroom |
| 17:03.20 | Srosh | I really like Ludwig. |
| 17:03.33 | durcyn | Ludwig really likes you. |
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| 17:03.45 | yssaril | Kaelten: makes sense |
| 17:04.08 | Kaelten | with those down, I don't think we'll see that much of a slow down on either |
| 17:04.14 | Kaelten | at least unless we fill the pipe up |
| 17:04.23 | yssaril | Kaelten: hehe |
| 17:04.28 | Kaelten | and the rest of the site is on a different server so forums and wiki shouldn't have a problem either |
| 17:05.48 | Pkekyo|zZz | need some macro help here... |
| 17:05.48 | Pkekyo|zZz | http://ace.pastey.net/74146 |
| 17:05.48 | Pkekyo|zZz | how can I get this to not only send my target's name to chat, but also it's level? |
| 17:06.11 | dylanm | Srosh: "Tuller's ego begins to grow in size!" |
| 17:06.42 | Srosh | It got some headroom. |
| 17:06.48 | yssaril | kaelten one thing that has been bugging me when i go to the forums the navigation on the side turns to miniNavigation wich usually means i have to go back to the main site to go to another part |
| 17:06.49 | durcyn | linkerator's pretty solid too, no annoying gui frames to deal with. |
| 17:07.20 | Srosh | What you call annoying I call convenient. Just a matter of taste. |
| 17:07.42 | dylanm | durcyn: Ludwig does that as well. |
| 17:07.50 | Kaelten | yssaril: at some point *soon* (relative term) the site skin will be getting an overhaul and will no longer have that particular issue. |
| 17:08.09 | dylanm | durcyn: The "auto-expand-into-item-link" bit. |
| 17:08.22 | yssaril | Kaelten: woot (am done bugging you about stuff now i think :) ) |
| 17:08.26 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:08.33 | Kaelten | post in the thread yer ideas btw :P |
| 17:08.37 | Kaelten | I do read it all the time |
| 17:09.12 | yssaril | kaelten is ther a thread for just website discussion? |
| 17:09.41 | Kaelten | http://www.smartadserver.com/call/cliccommand/1147810/1246256442 |
| 17:09.50 | Kaelten | bah |
| 17:09.51 | Kaelten | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8376.0 |
| 17:09.52 | Kaelten | there ya go |
| 17:10.50 | Tuller | I think the entire ace website needs to be redesigned with round boxes and gradients! :P |
| 17:11.04 | Kaelten | Tuller: :P |
| 17:11.09 | kenlyric | get to it, then. |
| 17:12.21 | Pheredhel | Kaelten: with "svn address" do you mean the same address as for requesting svn access? |
| 17:12.28 | durcyn | dylanm: i meant the /link <foo> portion returning links to chatframe |
| 17:12.32 | Kaelten | Pheredhel: yes |
| 17:12.53 | CIA-22 | 03pheredhel * r49369 10CCBreaker/ (CCBreaker.lua CCOptions.lua): CCBreaker: hopefully the last bugfix needed now |
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| 17:14.15 | Pheredhel | hmm, oh, and as you said, there is some bigger load on patch days: how much traffic is it? perhaps I can provide a mirror |
| 17:17.46 | _rane | Anyone remember which addon got rid of "not enough mana" etc. messages? |
| 17:17.47 | Kaelten | shouldn't be an issue honestly. |
| 17:18.52 | Pheredhel | ok |
| 17:19.42 | Kaelten | the only limitation is if we cap out our port |
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| 17:20.15 | Hjalte | _rane: errormonster |
| 17:20.18 | TE|Kulaar | someone using "assessment" and got reporting problems? |
| 17:21.31 | Pheredhel | if you ever want a mirror (svn, files, whatever) just tell me |
| 17:22.20 | _rane | Hjalte: thanks, i'll try it out |
| 17:22.50 | ckknight | hey all |
| 17:23.21 | techs | ima li bulgari tuka? |
| 17:23.22 | Mudkips | <3 errormonster |
| 17:23.49 | Pheredhel | hi |
| 17:24.29 | Zariel | hey ckknight |
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| 17:25.25 | _rane | does errormonster get rid of the sound too? |
| 17:25.42 | FrostByghte | what sound are you trying to get rid of? |
| 17:25.55 | _rane | "not enough rage", to be precise |
| 17:26.09 | FrostByghte | what sound does it make? |
| 17:26.34 | _rane | voice saying "not enough rage" |
| 17:26.46 | ckknight | need more rage |
| 17:26.51 | FrostByghte | oh that is easy, just go and turn off voice feedback or whatever |
| 17:26.58 | Hjalte | _rane, yes it does. |
| 17:26.59 | FrostByghte | I can find it for you if you wish, but hit ESC and look in there |
| 17:27.37 | _rane | ah, thank you |
| 17:27.38 | FrostByghte | I put this together for hunters: http://wowhunters.coldfront.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6539 |
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| 17:27.52 | _rane | sweet silence |
| 17:27.59 | FrostByghte | but it deals with those warning clicks you get when you are mashing a button over and over |
| 17:28.03 | FrostByghte | spamming a macro or something |
| 17:29.28 | PProvost | HEy ckk, I'm still seeing the second fubar losing most (not all) of the plugins and they pop up to the top bar. |
| 17:29.30 | Funkeh` | Kirkburn: Really? I think putting it to the right is far superior |
| 17:29.50 | PProvost | I can get them back down easy enough using the selector in rock config (nice), but it is consistent |
| 17:30.16 | TE|Kulaar | someone using Assessment here? ^^ |
| 17:30.17 | Pkekyo | anyone here any good with macros? |
| 17:30.49 | Kirkburn | Inconsistency is the main problem |
| 17:31.00 | Kirkburn | On many other articles it also interferes with the page layout |
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| 17:40.06 | xxlbug | hi all |
| 17:40.44 | Zariel | hi |
| 17:40.50 | Zariel | where do you get FA past 150 horde o.0 |
| 17:41.21 | xxlbug | anybody here, who can me anwser some questions about the cartographer addon? |
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| 17:41.56 | Hjalte | xxlbug, just ask. |
| 17:42.04 | cncfanatics | ~asktoask |
| 17:42.05 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 17:43.13 | Zariel | where is a list of purls commands? |
| 17:43.16 | Zariel | ~help |
| 17:43.22 | cncfanatics | they're not commands |
| 17:43.27 | cncfanatics | we set those to something |
| 17:43.29 | cncfanatics | and now use them |
| 17:43.29 | xxlbug | hehe ^^, i've downloaded the addon a few minutes ago, put in the addons folder and activated ingame. when the game starts its says something about could not find the drewdrop lib, any ideas? |
| 17:43.56 | xxlbug | the only thing its load is a "rock" addon |
| 17:44.39 | cncfanatics | xxlbug, are u sure u updated correctly ? |
| 17:44.41 | cncfanatics | see the title |
| 17:44.48 | cncfanatics | ~buggywau |
| 17:44.52 | cncfanatics | ~crapwau |
| 17:44.58 | cncfanatics | damn cant remember that one |
| 17:45.10 | cncfanatics | purl, buggywau is Upgrade to WAU 1.9.44 or WAU 2.0. Do not whine if you use a lower version. |
| 17:45.10 | purl | okay, cncfanatics |
| 17:46.06 | xxlbug | i'm on a mac so no wau ^^ |
| 17:46.12 | Zariel | ~drama |
| 17:46.37 | Zariel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RejGivEfsz0 |
| 17:47.03 | xxlbug | all good old work with my own mouse ;-) |
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| 17:51.02 | xxlbug | has drewdrop something to do with ace? so a newer ace version can help? |
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| 17:54.20 | Zariel | ace2 |
| 17:55.10 | xxlbug | ^^, but the addon contain ace2 and drewdrop |
| 17:55.47 | Recluse | is there a maximum table size in Lua under WoW? |
| 17:56.02 | xxlbug | is there a file, where must someone exlipcit wrote where to find the libs? |
| 17:57.48 | Zariel | www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2 |
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| 17:58.23 | Arcaia | !!!! |
| 17:58.34 | Zariel | ~buggywau |
| 17:58.35 | purl | [buggywau] Upgrade to WAU 1.9.44 or WAU 2.0. Do not whine if you use a lower version. |
| 17:58.44 | Zariel | i see how this works |
| 17:58.54 | Arcaia | ~whinte |
| 17:58.56 | Arcaia | O.o |
| 17:58.58 | Arcaia | ~whine |
| 17:58.59 | purl | methinks whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 17:59.09 | Zariel | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Category:API_Documentation |
| 17:59.25 | Arcaia | ubuntu is epic. |
| 17:59.36 | Zariel | purl, 2+2=4 |
| 18:00.19 | LuckyLuciano | hmm Fubar doesnt seem to be storing my icon placements on logout/exit |
| 18:00.27 | LuckyLuciano | known error? or just me. |
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| 18:00.48 | xxlbug | i've found the file, all paths seem to be correct, are there some general problems with ace finding libs known? |
| 18:01.32 | Zariel | what are you trying to do |
| 18:02.11 | xxlbug | me? |
| 18:02.43 | Zariel | e |
| 18:02.44 | Zariel | ye |
| 18:03.17 | xxlbug | i've tried to install cartographer, i'm on a mac so i cant use wau |
| 18:03.46 | Chompers | hey ckk |
| 18:03.58 | xxlbug | when the addon is loaded, the error "cant find library drewdrop...." occurs |
| 18:04.30 | *** part/#wowace Raz^^ (i=alyx-@r4ay106.net.upc.cz) |
| 18:06.51 | Zariel | are you running embeded libs? |
| 18:07.20 | xxlbug | yes, there are some in the cartographer folder |
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| 18:08.10 | NeoTron | Leroy Jenkins! zomg! http://newsroom.dc.gov/show.aspx/agency/mpdc/section/2/release/11864/year/2007 |
| 18:08.41 | ckknight | google |
| 18:08.49 | ckknight | hey Chompers |
| 18:12.14 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, u around ? |
| 18:13.51 | Silowyi | Rampage is a sad battlegroup |
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| 18:14.21 | Silowyi | my 5v5 is ranked 430 or 440 somewhere in there, and we're only 1766 |
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| 18:20.14 | Chompers | so, ckknight |
| 18:20.34 | Chompers | i had a look at the wowace forums, why do people want to kill you so much? |
| 18:20.47 | LuckyLuciano | its misplaced envy I think |
| 18:22.05 | ckknight | Chompers: wait, the users or the Ace3 zealots? |
| 18:22.10 | ckknight | they have separate reasons |
| 18:22.17 | xxlbug | i've used the jwow updater to reinstall cartographer, so now it works |
| 18:22.24 | ckknight | alright, gotta go |
| 18:22.51 | xxlbug | thanks for the try to help, nice evening for you all cya |
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| 18:29.52 | Arcaia | intrigueing errors |
| 18:29.58 | Arcaia | >.> |
| 18:30.19 | Arcaia | the new rock working with ace2 to thing is nice, but i get some weird errors with a couple of addons ;P |
| 18:30.29 | Arcaia | probably nothing rock related |
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| 18:33.12 | PProvost | Hey ckknight... might my problem with FuBar be non-Rock FuBar panels? |
| 18:33.58 | sb | someone killed prat url stuff again |
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| 18:34.58 | Mudkips | o noes |
| 18:36.25 | Industrial | haha ckknight, I don't want to kill you - just maim you a little. I'm not an Ace3 zealot though (not even on the project) |
| 18:36.41 | Industrial | (I'm not serious here, by the way) |
| 18:38.45 | Arcaia | ckknight isnt here |
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| 18:39.03 | Arcaia | ($ckknight) alright, gotta go |
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| 18:43.18 | Killmore | anyone know an addon who will tell you after you go out of combat (after a boss fight) "out of combat after 5min 25sec" or something like that ? |
| 18:43.41 | Killmore | combat duration or whatever.. |
| 18:43.51 | Xinhuan | there is a fubar addon that does that |
| 18:43.59 | Xinhuan | combattimefu or something |
| 18:43.59 | cryogen | deadly boss mods does that (heaven knows why) |
| 18:44.02 | Xinhuan | should be easy to find |
| 18:45.16 | Arcaia | deadly boss mods |
| 18:45.17 | Arcaia | >.> |
| 18:45.29 | Arcaia | its a prestige thing |
| 18:45.31 | Arcaia | for instance |
| 18:45.32 | yssaril | cryogen: cause if you are on a dps race boss the time will tell you if you have what it takes in combination with the bosses % at that time |
| 18:46.02 | Arcaia | my guild downed attumen (cake) in 1:53 seconds last night, nothing large, but it was fun our tank was... tanking with a 2hander |
| 18:46.55 | Saroz | WOW! |
| 18:47.16 | Arcaia | we are a post-gruul guild, so we enjoy ourselves in karaz |
| 18:47.16 | Killmore | Arcaia: we are using bigwigs :| |
| 18:47.55 | vhaarr | Killmore: and that's a bad thing? |
| 18:47.56 | Arcaia | dbm is so damn memory intensive. |
| 18:48.05 | Arcaia | bigwigs is nice ;P |
| 18:48.08 | cncfanatics | Arcaia, I tank both bosses at the same time on that boss :p |
| 18:48.12 | Killmore | vhaarr: its a good thing |
| 18:48.21 | vhaarr | Killmore: your ":|" confused me |
| 18:48.26 | Killmore | but I ask for a combat timer and he told me dbm |
| 18:48.32 | vhaarr | hehe |
| 18:48.37 | Arcaia | Midnight hits like a wetnoodle, Attumen altogether is a joke. |
| 18:48.50 | vhaarr | you give me ONE good reason why that should be part of a bossmod, and I'll add it to BW |
| 18:48.54 | vhaarr | (hint: you can't) |
| 18:48.58 | Arcaia | we single healer'd all the way to curator |
| 18:49.18 | Arcaia | I dont want you to add it to BW ;P |
| 18:49.21 | vhaarr | I've singlehealed all the karazhan bosses with my priest |
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| 18:49.27 | vhaarr | not trash though |
| 18:49.40 | Killmore | vhaarr: my english is not good enough to give you reason :( |
| 18:49.44 | vhaarr | Killmore: :P |
| 18:49.45 | Arcaia | well even trash for us ;P we had two spriests though |
| 18:50.09 | Arcaia | shackle shackle ve-vt-mf |
| 18:50.20 | vhaarr | Arcaia: you said "to curator", I've done netherspite, nightbane, prince, illhoof and aran solo healing |
| 18:50.36 | vhaarr | netherspite was hardest |
| 18:50.43 | Killmore | vhaarr: but I asked Funkeh` to add range check for kaz'rogal and he's supose to do it :P |
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| 18:51.13 | cryogen | i didnt suggest you get dbm |
| 18:51.18 | cryogen | i merly pointed out it has the feature |
| 18:51.22 | Arcaia | prince is easy to solo heal if your dps is smart, netherspite is understandably hard, illhoof if you have the proper group i can see, nightbane is all about the tank/hunter/ aran is a joke |
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| 18:51.43 | Xinhuan | well whats all the argument about? i gave the politically correct answer: CombatTimeFu or something |
| 18:52.00 | Arcaia | aran is like.. lol-ipwn, oh oes ROUGES [purposely misspelled rogue] |
| 18:52.04 | Kirkburn | If not known, 2.2 has finished testing |
| 18:52.07 | Killmore | Xinhuan: I will try, thx :P |
| 18:52.19 | Xinhuan | by the way |
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| 18:52.23 | vhaarr | Arcaia: pre-nerf, nightbane hit quite hard, though, but with nicely timed greater heals it was no problem |
| 18:52.36 | Xinhuan | combattimefu does exactly what you think it does - starts recording when you enter combat, stops when you exit combat |
| 18:52.51 | Arcaia | Prebuff illhoof was free epics. |
| 18:52.59 | Xinhuan | this MEANS that if you vanish, invis, died and got battle rezzed and such |
| 18:53.15 | Xinhuan | all those count as exiting and entering combat |
| 18:53.31 | Xinhuan | ok? :) |
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| 18:54.18 | Arcaia | you know what my favorite mod is? |
| 18:54.22 | CIA-22 | 03root * r1 10/ (branches/ paths.ini releases/ tags/ trunk/): Initial Import |
| 18:54.42 | Arcaia | "TipHookerLib" |
| 18:54.43 | Xinhuan | err, revision 1? |
| 18:55.03 | Kaelten | ignore the man behind the curtain! |
| 18:55.16 | Xinhuan | please update us what is going on :) |
| 18:55.23 | Kaelten | testing stuff :) |
| 18:55.43 | Xinhuan | does that mean nobody else should be committing stuff at the moment? |
| 18:55.48 | Kaelten | na, |
| 18:55.56 | Kaelten | that doesn't have to do anything with the main repo |
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| 18:56.14 | Kaelten | I'm testing stuff related to multiple repositories |
| 18:56.25 | Xinhuan | sounds good |
| 18:57.30 | Arcaia | honestly my favorite addon is "GlowFoSho" |
| 18:58.11 | CIA-22 | 03www-data * r1 10/ (branches/ paths.ini releases/ tags/ trunk/): "Initial Import" |
| 18:58.29 | Olison | :o |
| 18:58.32 | Olison | r1 :D |
| 18:58.59 | Kaelten | cool, now the question is how exactly I want to do the packager script |
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| 19:01.31 | Seerah | the "how" is always the key ;) |
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| 19:03.02 | Kirkburn | It seemed to get lost in the spam: 2.2 is finished testing, almost certain for tuesday |
| 19:03.10 | Ominous | Kaelten: what are these new repos for? |
| 19:03.41 | rob` | f 2.2, I want to know when 2.3 is coming out. :) |
| 19:03.45 | CIA-22 | 03aliset * r49371 10SendSelf/sendself.lua: |
| 19:03.45 | CIA-22 | SendSelf: |
| 19:03.45 | CIA-22 | - Fix a small bug related to validation functions being passed a nil |
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| 19:03.52 | rob` | hopefully they'll have the PTR up pretty much immediately. |
| 19:04.05 | todd | I just want faster leveling :P |
| 19:04.11 | Kirkburn | Almost certainly rob :) |
| 19:04.16 | Kaelten | Ominous: splitting up the repo :P |
| 19:04.26 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 19:04.35 | todd | by what? |
| 19:04.36 | rob` | I've heard that they're going to buff ret paladins for 2.3 and hold off buffing prot paladins until 2.4 or later :( |
| 19:04.43 | rob` | <-- sad panda |
| 19:05.04 | cncfanatics | !api GetCastingInfo |
| 19:05.05 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCastingInfo |
| 19:05.08 | todd | nice.. I decided I wanted to level a paladin to heal at 70, so more xp + buffed ret paladins = ezmode leveling? |
| 19:05.56 | rob` | eh, prot is better for leveling, imho - beats out ret as soon as you're talking about 3+ mobs, and most leveling quests are "go kill a bazillion of this". |
| 19:06.12 | rob` | and as soon as you hit 62 you can get the sporeggar shield. :) |
| 19:06.20 | rob` | but I imagine it's mostly preference. |
| 19:06.29 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight ping |
| 19:06.37 | cncfanatics | ckknight is working |
| 19:06.37 | sag_ich_nicht | what was the dogtag you added? too lazy to look into the changelog |
| 19:06.38 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 19:06.39 | sag_ich_nicht | damn |
| 19:06.51 | rob` | but a buffed ret may well be a faster leveling tree post-buff. |
| 19:06.59 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 19:07.04 | sag_ich_nicht | but currently, prot is better. |
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| 19:07.50 | rob` | prot also has the leveling advantage that you can tank in instances, whereas dps is a dime a dozen at the mid levels. |
| 19:08.12 | todd | I was able to heal as shadow on my priest until 62 |
| 19:08.18 | todd | was hoping it'd be the same for a pally |
| 19:08.19 | kenlyric | 62? |
| 19:08.25 | kenlyric | I went to 70 |
| 19:08.31 | todd | :P |
| 19:08.32 | kenlyric | shadow lab made me fail. |
| 19:08.47 | Strych | Random beginner LUA question of the day: how can I round the big number from GetCritChance() in 2-3 decimals? |
| 19:08.47 | Shirik|Ecole | ~lart Strych |
| 19:08.47 | purl | hauls Strych up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 19:08.47 | Shirik|Ecole | Lua is not an acronym |
| 19:08.49 | kenlyric | bad pull in the inciter's room. |
| 19:08.56 | rob` | heheh, shadow lab is a wakeup call for a lot of people |
| 19:09.39 | kenlyric | "what part of 'pull into this room so I can fear' was confusing?" |
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| 19:11.00 | cncfanatics | u forgot to add , tard at the end of the sentence |
| 19:11.21 | Arcaia | so if its not an acronym is it just a random 3 letter name? |
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| 19:11.22 | sag_ich_nicht | rob |
| 19:11.24 | sag_ich_nicht | you are wrong |
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| 19:11.32 | sag_ich_nicht | they will buff ret in 2.3 and prot in 2.3.x |
| 19:11.34 | Saint-N | shirik if its not an acryonym whats it short for? |
| 19:11.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Saint-N nothing |
| 19:11.43 | sag_ich_nicht | it's just a name |
| 19:11.44 | rob` | sag: that's really good to hear, do you have a source? |
| 19:11.46 | sag_ich_nicht | like Saint-N |
| 19:11.55 | sag_ich_nicht | rob`: go look on tankadin.com somewhere |
| 19:11.58 | sag_ich_nicht | cba to look it up |
| 19:12.05 | Wogroipl | Lua means Moon in Portugese afaik |
| 19:12.12 | rob` | yeah, I read that site regularly, but not this morning |
| 19:12.21 | sag_ich_nicht | rob`: it's like 2 weeks ago |
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| 19:12.28 | sag_ich_nicht | s/ago/old/ |
| 19:12.32 | kenlyric | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua |
| 19:12.45 | kenlyric | many meanings |
| 19:12.59 | Saint-N | see perl ruby lisp python those all make sense to some degree, luahowever isnt a real word(except in portugese) thus the want to make it an acronym |
| 19:13.04 | rob` | hah, that's so amusing, having the bot parse regexp corrections. |
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| 19:13.51 | kenlyric | well, look at the lua logo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lua_logo.svg |
| 19:13.55 | kenlyric | makes it fairly clear. |
| 19:14.19 | Saint-N | actually the portugese part makes it clear |
| 19:14.53 | cryogen | whats the best way to use a costant in lua? |
| 19:15.02 | Saint-N | properly? |
| 19:15.13 | cryogen | s/costant/constant/ |
| 19:15.31 | CIA-22 | 03aliset * r49372 10SendSelf/sendself.lua: |
| 19:15.31 | CIA-22 | SendSelf: |
| 19:15.31 | CIA-22 | - More small bugfixes |
| 19:15.36 | pastamancer | cryogen: assign it to a variable and don't change it :p |
| 19:15.57 | ben_ | Why is Omen displaying our Hunter's pet as doing 10k TPS |
| 19:16.05 | cryogen | as part of my "namespace", right? |
| 19:16.09 | kenlyric | he's got growl on? |
| 19:16.16 | cryogen | ben_: because it kicks ass as a tank? |
| 19:16.19 | Chompers | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778019796&sid=1 |
| 19:16.21 | Chompers | horay! |
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| 19:17.05 | kenlyric | http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3163017 |
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| 19:18.07 | Strychnos_ | Anybody around that could help me with a simple Lua question? |
| 19:18.19 | Cidan | NO |
| 19:18.22 | Cidan | I mean, yes. |
| 19:18.34 | ben_ | kenlyric: Well, no, and it does not even have aggro. |
| 19:18.55 | kenlyric | ben_: I've seen that happen before. Dunno what causes it yet. |
| 19:19.00 | Strychnos_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.02 | Strychnos_ | =P |
| 19:19.08 | kenlyric | solo sometimes my hunter stays at 1% next to me pet :) |
| 19:19.15 | Strychnos_ | But uh.. I asked it earlier and then mIRC started acting up.. so here goes again: |
| 19:19.25 | Strychnos_ | Is there an easy way to truncate/round long decimals? |
| 19:21.00 | Tinyboom | any violation authors here? :) |
| 19:21.24 | Jagobah | violation! |
| 19:21.29 | Jagobah | termination success! |
| 19:21.53 | pastamancer | Strychnos: to an arbitrary precision, or just to an integer? |
| 19:22.12 | CIA-22 | 03mikk 07Alpha * r49373 10Ace3/AceLocale-3.0/ (. AceLocale-3.0.lua AceLocale-3.0.xml): |
| 19:22.12 | CIA-22 | Ace3 - ACE-24 |
| 19:22.12 | CIA-22 | - First import of proposed AceLocale-3.0 implementation. Drycoded! |
| 19:24.23 | Strychnos | an arbitrary precision.. |
| 19:24.40 | Strychnos | AFAIK, I could use floor() or ceil() for the rounded integer |
| 19:25.03 | pastamancer | look up "banker's rounding". I can't remember who/which addon has that already implemented. It's a short function though. |
| 19:26.13 | Strychnos | I'm trying to put together a simple addon as my first one.. so I guess you could say I'm a comlete noob at this:) |
| 19:26.20 | Strychnos | Do you mean.. Google it, or look through the SVN, or what? |
| 19:27.18 | pastamancer | either way |
| 19:27.27 | Strychnos | will do, thanks |
| 19:27.37 | TE|Kulaar | Can I update e.g Pitbull without installing all modues again? |
| 19:28.15 | alcohol | poo |
| 19:28.19 | alcohol | s/poo/ooh/ |
| 19:28.22 | alcohol | :< |
| 19:28.29 | Nickenyfiken | Yay Ace3 commit :-P |
| 19:29.03 | CIA-22 | 03jerry 07jerry * r49374 10Grid/TrackThePets/core.lua: TrackThePets: only alert after a full second without the name being available. |
| 19:31.16 | pastamancer | Strychnos: http://ace.pastey.net/74150 |
| 19:31.30 | pastamancer | copy/pasted that from cartographer |
| 19:32.06 | Strychnos | yeah, i just found something like that - thanks |
| 19:32.15 | Tornhoof | yeh it's one of the most ocmmon rounding algorithms |
| 19:32.55 | Strychnos | http://ace.pastey.net/74151 is what I just added as a general function |
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| 19:38.14 | Sekkyo | Trac down? |
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| 19:39.00 | |Stan| | no |
| 19:39.02 | |Stan| | trac gone |
| 19:39.04 | Olison | i thought trac was dead |
| 19:39.07 | Sekkyo | Ah, Fisheye now? |
| 19:39.07 | Olison | mhm |
| 19:39.14 | kaiden^ | Question for those of you that do PitBull Layouts, how do you modify the portrait like i see in some of these screenshots where it's all zoomed into the face |
| 19:39.16 | Sekkyo | Trac link is still in the menu |
| 19:40.29 | Sekkyo | Anyone an expert at Pitbull? Considering switching from agU |
| 19:41.23 | Sekkyo | If Pitbull has Debuff filtering I'd probably switch tomorrow. |
| 19:41.31 | kaiden^ | it does |
| 19:41.32 | Mudkips | it does |
| 19:41.40 | Chompers | it does |
| 19:41.44 | Mudkips | Sekkyo from dark iron? |
| 19:41.48 | Sekkyo | Yes sir. |
| 19:41.51 | Mudkips | rofl |
| 19:41.52 | Mudkips | hi nubtard |
| 19:41.56 | Sekkyo | Who you be? |
| 19:42.05 | Mudkips | wouldn't you like to know |
| 19:42.16 | Sekkyo | I don't hide behind names |
| 19:42.28 | Mudkips | kekeke |
| 19:42.33 | alext | kaiden |
| 19:42.39 | alext | pretty sure |
| 19:42.45 | alext | thats off the module options for potratit |
| 19:42.49 | alext | er portrait |
| 19:42.59 | alext | I remember seeing it as like "off / full view / face" |
| 19:43.00 | alext | or somethin |
| 19:43.45 | kaiden^ | alext, thanks i'll look |
| 19:43.54 | kaiden^ | trying to get through all the rock configuration options is like taking a bullet to the head |
| 19:44.29 | alext | i have had my fubar pitbull icon hid for awhile...does it still exist? |
| 19:44.30 | alext | if so use that |
| 19:44.40 | alext | i do agree, the rock config is a bit confusing I always liked the menu dropdowns |
| 19:44.46 | Mudkips | me too |
| 19:44.55 | Mudkips | its just something new to adjust too I guess |
| 19:45.02 | Mudkips | I don't like how it was a suprise though |
| 19:45.10 | Mudkips | like Y HALO THAR IM ROCK |
| 19:45.50 | Sekkyo | Yeah, Rock is annoying as heck |
| 19:45.54 | Sekkyo | It came out of nowhere, too |
| 19:45.57 | Sekkyo | What gives? |
| 19:46.12 | Killmore | Rock rock ! |
| 19:46.15 | kaiden^ | Rock rocks.. it's just got a bit of an organization problem for the config panels |
| 19:46.20 | Sekkyo | I really, really liked the dropdowns :( |
| 19:46.32 | kaiden^ | ckknight, suggestion, make Main config drop downs colored differently |
| 19:46.39 | kaiden^ | that way you can differentiate easily the different sections |
| 19:46.46 | Killmore | he will, I think, give him some time |
| 19:46.50 | stavmar | which of the combat log mods does the graphs in game Recount or assessment? |
| 19:46.51 | Mudkips | Sekkyo, http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Rock |
| 19:47.01 | Sekkyo | Can Pitbull be configured to look like agU without too much trouble? |
| 19:47.25 | cryogen | stavmar: recount does |
| 19:47.48 | stavmar | cryogen: TY, any ideas to reduce strain on my CPU Frame Rate using Recount? |
| 19:47.49 | Tinyboom | wtb raid/party death counter in violation :p |
| 19:47.56 | Mudkips | I switched to pitbull because ag wouldn't let me customise fonts |
| 19:47.59 | Mudkips | heh |
| 19:49.01 | Sekkyo | Well, the killer app for Pitbull would be for it to have different profiles based on party/raid size. That way I can have my party/raid information autosize in the same area. |
| 19:49.20 | cncfanatics | !api GetSpellName |
| 19:49.21 | ThraeBot | cncfanatics: ''spellName'', ''spellRank'' = GetSpellName( ''spellId'', ''bookType'' ); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellName |
| 19:49.37 | Sekkyo | I saw something to that extent in the Pitbull wishlist |
| 19:54.52 | sb | ckknight? :) |
| 19:56.10 | Killmore | ckknight ! |
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| 19:59.40 | cryogen | hmm |
| 19:59.46 | cryogen | getting the hang of this addon coding lark |
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| 20:02.59 | Sekkyo | Anyone have a screenshot of PitBull_AltAura and PitBull_Prat? Want to see what they provide differently without having to test them |
| 20:03.33 | Hjalte | Sekkyo, there is no visual difference in using AltAura - Search the forums for pictures of Pitbull_Prat. |
| 20:04.17 | Ominous | anyone here use flash and can help me? |
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| 20:05.04 | Hjalte | What's the best program for allround code writing? mostly php and java - Needs to have some colouring :) |
| 20:05.08 | Hjalte | For windows* |
| 20:05.19 | sb | eclipse? :o |
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| 20:05.39 | sb | or notepadd++ if you dont need an ide |
| 20:05.49 | cryogen | not quite sure why you think youd get a decent answer for that in here |
| 20:05.54 | cryogen | but im falling in love with notepadd++ myself |
| 20:06.03 | cryogen | -d |
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| 20:07.33 | NeoTron | I read that as "but im falling in love with ++myself" at first |
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| 20:08.18 | Hjalte | Thanks anyway :) |
| 20:08.26 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:08.34 | ckknight | hey sb, Killmore |
| 20:08.41 | Killmore | su p! |
| 20:08.46 | ckknight | kaiden^: main config drop downs? |
| 20:08.49 | cryogen | NeoTron: way too late for thqat |
| 20:08.57 | sb | ckknight: [15:19:49] <sb> http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9546/wtbconfigpm1.png <-- would be <3 some day... ;) |
| 20:09.23 | ckknight | oh, tabs? |
| 20:09.25 | ckknight | that was an idea |
| 20:09.27 | cryogen | signed |
| 20:09.30 | Tinyboom | signed |
| 20:09.41 | Mudkips | omg tabs |
| 20:09.42 | Tinyboom | <3 that sketch ^^ |
| 20:09.43 | Mudkips | signed |
| 20:09.44 | sb | ckknight: actually tabs for 'suboptions' of addons |
| 20:09.51 | Mudkips | and A- on the sketch |
| 20:09.55 | Tinyboom | haha |
| 20:09.56 | sb | so you have addon-selection only in that tree |
| 20:09.58 | ckknight | sb: one issue: |
| 20:10.00 | sb | Mudkips: -??? |
| 20:10.15 | ckknight | sb: some groups have subgroups plus normal options |
| 20:10.19 | ckknight | how do I deal with that? |
| 20:10.30 | sb | mhhhhm |
| 20:10.40 | Saroz | if no subgroup is selected, show options |
| 20:10.48 | sb | yup, right |
| 20:10.59 | sb | in config area show those options |
| 20:11.11 | sb | until tab is selected (show options of that subgroup then) |
| 20:11.13 | sb | and so on |
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| 20:11.20 | cryogen | yeah id agree with A- |
| 20:11.22 | ckknight | but how does one unselect tab? |
| 20:11.23 | cryogen | "could do better" |
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| 20:11.26 | sb | hmm |
| 20:11.32 | Saroz | reclick the subgroup? |
| 20:11.41 | sb | or click at 'parent |
| 20:11.42 | sb | ' tab |
| 20:11.48 | ckknight | it still seems unintuitive |
| 20:11.52 | sb | mhhm |
| 20:11.54 | ckknight | since some tab should be selected |
| 20:11.56 | ckknight | maybe a fake tab |
| 20:11.56 | Paradox | can anyone help me with a macro? |
| 20:11.57 | Corgan|Laptop | Couldn't you make a tab for the "group options" |
| 20:12.03 | Saroz | ckknight, your current configuration is shit.. sorry man, you need to fix it |
| 20:12.04 | Corgan|Laptop | or something |
| 20:12.06 | ckknight | Corgan|Laptop: that's what I'm thinking |
| 20:12.17 | ckknight | Saroz: thanks for the positive feedback. |
| 20:12.21 | Saroz | just saying :p |
| 20:12.24 | ckknight | I'll be sure to look into the specific issue you stated |
| 20:12.28 | Saroz | yaya |
| 20:12.35 | ckknight | seriously, fuck off unless you provide solutions |
| 20:12.47 | Saroz | I did, *points at sb* |
| 20:13.01 | ckknight | I don't need deridement for the sake of it |
| 20:13.09 | ckknight | sb: I like the idea |
| 20:13.15 | Corgan|Laptop | How deep would these tabs go though |
| 20:13.36 | Mudkips | very |
| 20:13.41 | sb | ckknight: gonna think about that issue (making it more intuitive) |
| 20:13.58 | ckknight | sb: perhaps a fake tab I'm thinking |
| 20:14.09 | ckknight | realistically, Corgan|Laptop, like 4 levels of tabs max |
| 20:14.13 | FrostByghte | tabs sound nice |
| 20:14.27 | Corgan|Laptop | an what would you do with any other tabs below that |
| 20:14.29 | Corgan|Laptop | and* |
| 20:14.33 | cryogen | ckknight: btw, where is the right place to bring up that stealth-bug? jira? or is it now firmly lodged in your memory? |
| 20:14.39 | ckknight | jira |
| 20:14.49 | cryogen | can you report stuff without registering? |
| 20:15.15 | ckknight | no |
| 20:15.16 | Chompers | it only takes a minute to sign up |
| 20:16.27 | pastamancer | ckknight: imo, system preferences in osx would be much nicer than having an addon tree |
| 20:16.39 | Saint-N | thats more or less why i didnt report anything |
| 20:16.44 | Saint-N | signing up is lame |
| 20:16.47 | Sekkyo | How does PitBull use Threat-1.0? |
| 20:17.25 | ckknight | Sekkyo: there's a threat bar as well as DogTag support |
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| 20:17.41 | Sekkyo | Can I turn it off if I'd rather use Omen? |
| 20:18.06 | Chompers | yes, it's modular |
| 20:18.19 | Sekkyo | Also, will Threat-1.0 report to KTM even if I have Omen disabled? Let's say if my raid leader required that everyone ran KTM cleanly with no Omen-style reporting to KTM |
| 20:19.08 | Corgan|Laptop | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/ThreatToKTM |
| 20:19.19 | Chompers | why would he want ktm only? |
| 20:19.29 | Corgan|Laptop | oh wait, never mind |
| 20:20.00 | Saint-N | suck it raid leader you're not my mom! |
| 20:20.09 | Saint-N | that might work |
| 20:21.12 | Antiarrrrrrc | Sekkyo: If you run KTM and Omen together, then Omen won't report ot KEM |
| 20:21.28 | cryogen | ckknight: http://jira.wowace.com/browse/PB-61 :) |
| 20:21.32 | cryogen | hope that makes sense |
| 20:21.48 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 20:21.50 | ckknight | I get what you're saying |
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| 20:22.52 | Sekkyo | Antiarrrrrrc: That's not true at all. We had issues with that happening on Tuesday. As far as I'm concerned with Omen vs. KTM, its all or nothing one or the other. |
| 20:23.18 | Antiarrrrrrc | Sekkyo: What I mean is that if you run Omen and KTM together on a single client, Omen doesn't send KTM traffic, opting to let KTM send it. |
| 20:25.14 | Strychnos | Anybody know why PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED fires twice on stealth? |
| 20:25.28 | Antiarrrrrrc | *shrug* |
| 20:26.35 | Sekkyo | Is there anything in the Kael'thas encounter that reveals as soon as he casts a Flamestrike on a random player? |
| 20:26.38 | cryogen | once for the "form" change, once for the buff gain? |
| 20:26.50 | Strychnos | makes sense, cryo |
| 20:27.19 | cryogen | im just guessing, but given that its fired on druid shapeshift, it makes sense |
| 20:29.53 | sylvanaar | Sekkyo http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/22/addon-spotlight-prat-and-pitbull_prat/ |
| 20:31.09 | |Stan| | ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/74153 |
| 20:33.03 | |Stan| | happens on every click |
| 20:33.05 | |Stan| | or setting change |
| 20:33.43 | ckknight | bug evilElvis? |
| 20:33.50 | ckknight | I'll check it out, though |
| 20:34.17 | Strychnos | Could anybody point me in the right direction as to getting the player's AGI/STAM/STR etc.. I saw built in functions for AP/Crit/Dodge - but nothing for base stats. |
| 20:34.36 | ckknight | oh |
| 20:34.37 | ckknight | wait |
| 20:34.39 | ckknight | don't bug him |
| 20:34.45 | ckknight | it's my fault (I believe) |
| 20:37.20 | |Stan| | hm |
| 20:37.31 | |Stan| | its happening with all other non-ace addons, too |
| 20:37.38 | |Stan| | errr |
| 20:37.39 | |Stan| | non rock |
| 20:37.40 | |Stan| | sry |
| 20:39.41 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:39.46 | ckknight | I've prepared a statement: |
| 20:39.47 | ckknight | my bad |
| 20:39.48 | ckknight | I know the issue |
| 20:40.15 | Strychnos | Elegant. |
| 20:41.50 | Paradox | can anyone help me with a macro? |
| 20:41.56 | ckknight | brb |
| 20:46.01 | Antiarrrrrrc | :O |
| 20:46.17 | Antiarc | Last night's Leotheras kill is the 30th fastest kill recorded on WWS |
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| 20:47.39 | cryogen | leo is fun to kill |
| 20:47.47 | cryogen | leo is not fun to try with people who cannot play |
| 20:47.51 | Xinhuan | how fast is that Antiarc? |
| 20:48.08 | Antiarc | 6'34'' |
| 20:48.09 | Xinhuan | my kill yesterday was about 6 minutes i think |
| 20:48.34 | Xinhuan | definitely more than 3 minutes to enrage though |
| 20:48.35 | todd | your kill? solo'd eh? |
| 20:48.37 | todd | ;p |
| 20:48.57 | Antiarc | We sorta cheese the fight though |
| 20:49.05 | rob` | cheese how? |
| 20:49.19 | Xinhuan | leo's very fast to kill if your lock tank times curse of doom right and grabs instant aggro on every phase shift |
| 20:49.22 | Antiarc | We use triple heroisms on the melee group, one per demon phase, and then we make sure to transition him to 15% when he's in demon form, which leaves him attackable when he's doing his speech |
| 20:49.22 | Xinhuan | you save a lot of time |
| 20:49.42 | Xinhuan | we do the 15% demon thing too - who doesn't? |
| 20:49.43 | Chompers | we killed VR 5 seconds after enrage, horay for us |
| 20:49.46 | Chompers | *15 |
| 20:49.49 | Antiarc | I did 125k damage more than the highest caster |
| 20:49.55 | Antiarc | Sooo yeah. |
| 20:50.04 | Xinhuan | we don't do the triple heroism thing though |
| 20:50.20 | Xinhuan | what we do is we triple heroism 3 groups sub 15% ;p |
| 20:50.24 | cryogen | bloodlust is the shit |
| 20:50.28 | Xinhuan | after a whirlwind that is |
| 20:50.50 | Antiarc | We stack it in the melee group because the demon form is a punching bag, and stacked melee haste + windfury is just a little overpowered right now :P |
| 20:51.00 | Xinhuan | until haste nerf |
| 20:51.00 | dreamss | bloodlust IS the shit |
| 20:51.01 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 20:51.04 | dreamss | <3 shamans |
| 20:51.11 | TNSe | triple heroism |
| 20:51.17 | TNSe | you swap shammies during fight? |
| 20:51.19 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 20:51.21 | TNSe | <3 |
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| 20:51.31 | TNSe | thats good usage of game mechanics :P |
| 20:51.31 | rob` | I thought you couldn't change groups during fights. That's useful to know. |
| 20:51.35 | Xinhuan | its fairly standard to swap groups for heroism |
| 20:51.37 | Antiarc | You can change groups, yes |
| 20:51.39 | Xinhuan | during a boss |
| 20:51.46 | Antiarc | And Heroism sticks in the group even if you remove the shaman |
| 20:51.47 | TNSe | the ui doesn't work |
| 20:51.52 | TNSe | but you still can change groups :P |
| 20:52.00 | cryogen | changing groups for mana tide is good also |
| 20:52.01 | Antiarc | TNSe: It works unless an addon has tainted it |
| 20:52.07 | dreamss | curator with bloodlust is the shit, we get him down on the 2nd pahse 2 |
| 20:52.10 | Xinhuan | heck we've even had boss pulls where we used heroism on the tank group on boss pulling |
| 20:52.14 | TNSe | which addons would taint it? |
| 20:52.14 | cryogen | just a shame my guild isnt smart enough to work that out |
| 20:52.15 | dreamss | we had like 4 shamans |
| 20:52.25 | dreamss | 4 fire elementals and 4 BL |
| 20:52.26 | dreamss | heh |
| 20:52.27 | Xinhuan | meaning the MT gets instant hella aggro right away |
| 20:52.47 | Xinhuan | and dps can start sooner |
| 20:52.52 | Antiarc | dreamss: Heh, we have a Kara group that kills him during his first evocate |
| 20:52.54 | Antiarc | It's kinda nuts |
| 20:53.04 | rob` | Who do you think would be a good person to handle swapping groups mid-combat? A dps class probably has the least to do. |
| 20:53.06 | dreamss | yeh we get him down to 40% |
| 20:53.15 | Antiarc | TNSe: I'd suspect CTMod first off, but I don't know if it still does it |
| 20:53.17 | dreamss | officers |
| 20:53.18 | dreamss | heh |
| 20:53.26 | Sekkyo | QueryAuctionItems |
| 20:53.26 | Sekkyo | New argument (bool), setting it to true will retrieve all auction house data (not just 50 items). This can only be used once every 15 minutes. This is intended to reduce our load from add-ons such as auctioneer that are going to download the entire auction house anyways. |
| 20:53.34 | Xinhuan | usually the raid leader should do it - also should be a dps class |
| 20:53.41 | Sekkyo | That, is so awesome. I wonder if it'll take less than 15 minutes to scan now too. |
| 20:53.46 | rob` | far less. |
| 20:53.50 | Sekkyo | Yeah |
| 20:53.51 | Antiarc | Our paladin raid leader does it, I think |
| 20:53.55 | Antiarc | But we run a healer-heavy raid |
| 20:53.56 | TNSe | instead of taking 15 minutes |
| 20:54.00 | TNSe | it will lag your client to hell P |
| 20:54.07 | Xinhuan | how many healers do you bring to kael Antiarc? |
| 20:54.09 | Sekkyo | It'll be like 1 with 3 minutes of client lag. |
| 20:54.12 | Xinhuan | we bring 6 for kael |
| 20:54.21 | Sekkyo | Which you get at teh end of Auctioneer anyways. |
| 20:54.24 | TNSe | hehe |
| 20:54.26 | Antiarc | We haven't started doing Kael yet. We're waiting on 2.2 to crack into Solarian since they're changing the fight :/ |
| 20:54.30 | Antiarc | So we've just been farming SSC for gear |
| 20:54.38 | Xinhuan | don't wait, solarian is easy |
| 20:54.39 | Antiarc | But we're nearly done with it now, so it'll be easier to drop |
| 20:54.42 | Xinhuan | free loot |
| 20:54.52 | TNSe | lol |
| 20:54.56 | Antiarc | Yeah, we're gonna start in on her tonight and cheese it with 2 500+ AR tanks |
| 20:55.03 | Xinhuan | all you need is 2 arcane absorbers (any class with high hp) with ~450-500 AR |
| 20:55.03 | TNSe | 500+ :D |
| 20:55.03 | Antiarc | But it just sucks to learn the fight twice |
| 20:55.18 | Xinhuan | as far as i can tell, the 2.2 change is a nerf |
| 20:55.21 | Xinhuan | and you don't have to relearn it |
| 20:55.29 | Antiarc | But, we're going to end up with 7 healers + 2 spriests on Kael, I think |
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| 20:55.42 | Antiarc | Possibly 8 healers, depending |
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| 20:55.49 | Chompers | what's ssc like Antiarc? i'm trying to persuade my gm to attempt leo instead of al'ar |
| 20:55.53 | Xinhuan | basically all the patch notes say is that the aoe raid instance debuff no longer -AR |
| 20:55.55 | Xinhuan | so its a nerf |
| 20:56.00 | Xinhuan | and less AR required on your 2 absorbers |
| 20:56.03 | Antiarc | Chompers: Generally on par to easier than Al'ar, IMO |
| 20:56.12 | Antiarc | Lurker is free loot |
| 20:56.14 | aestil | we just cleared Vashj for the first time this past week. |
| 20:56.20 | aestil | lurker is too easy. |
| 20:56.21 | Eggi | you can do kael with 6 healers... |
| 20:56.22 | Chompers | yeah, we kill lurker every week |
| 20:56.25 | Xinhuan | solarian is killable on the first night going in |
| 20:56.26 | aestil | easier than VR |
| 20:56.27 | Chompers | but it's a whole night |
| 20:56.27 | Eggi | it's more about dps |
| 20:56.30 | Antiarc | Lurler is just ragnaros 2.0 without the mana burn. |
| 20:56.36 | Xinhuan | solarian's difficulty is about the same as Fathomlord |
| 20:56.41 | Antiarc | Oh, geez, okay. |
| 20:56.49 | Antiarc | We dropped FLK on our first night of tries |
| 20:56.58 | Xinhuan | yah that's how easy he is |
| 20:57.09 | Xinhuan | alar actually takes maybe 2 nights |
| 20:57.09 | Antiarc | But yeah, the plan is as soon as 2.2 hits, we're spending all our time in TKE |
| 20:57.11 | Xinhuan | to kill |
| 20:57.12 | Xinhuan | on avg |
| 20:57.13 | aestil | our second, but our first was after a hydross -> morrogrim night. |
| 20:57.24 | aestil | we only had 1 hour on FLK, and then we one shot him the next night. |
| 20:57.25 | Xinhuan | kael is doable with 6 healers |
| 20:57.29 | Antiarc | Morogrim was the biggest problem in SSC for us, I think |
| 20:57.30 | Chompers | it's getting really boring killing lurker one night, than VR another night |
| 20:57.31 | |Stan| | ckknight: self damage from "ShadowWord: Death" (priest) is showing up as "Unknown" in Parrot |
| 20:57.36 | Antiarc | But we one-shot him reliably these days |
| 20:57.37 | aestil | antiarc: hydross for us. |
| 20:57.41 | ckknight | |Stan|: I know |
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| 20:57.48 | Antiarc | Hydross is easy if you get EVERYONE to switch sides |
| 20:57.53 | aestil | antiarc: do you not have a pally tank to make it easy? |
| 20:57.59 | Antiarc | We went from wipesville to one-shotting every week once we started doing that |
| 20:58.01 | Xinhuan | pally tanks own |
| 20:58.02 | aestil | we just have healers/dot users switch sides. |
| 20:58.17 | aestil | i got an extra 300 spell dmg this week. |
| 20:58.20 | Antiarc | aestil: We do. We had problems with the shammies chain healing people too efficiently so the paladins had no one to heal for aggro :P |
| 20:58.24 | aestil | and i pulled aggro on hydross after one of the transitions. |
| 20:58.24 | Xinhuan | aestil: still messy to pull aggro off potential aggro pullers |
| 20:58.33 | Chompers | we've not even attempted hydross because of the bad things we've heard about him |
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| 20:58.35 | Antiarc | So now we have the warlocks lifetap pre-murlocs so the paladins can get mana. Works just fine. |
| 20:58.37 | Xinhuan | much easier to just stop dots 15 secs before a phase change |
| 20:58.43 | Antiarc | Chompers: Hydross is just about maintaining focus. |
| 20:58.49 | Antiarc | You can't get sloppy on him. |
| 20:58.53 | aestil | xinhuan, we usually 1 shot hydross. this week we forgot to make the tank group full of resists, and we wiped. |
| 20:58.57 | aestil | but that was our own nfault. |
| 20:59.00 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 20:59.05 | Xinhuan | forgot a totem or something? |
| 20:59.09 | Chompers | i've seen people loose focus on VR :P |
| 20:59.11 | aestil | forgot a hunter. |
| 20:59.24 | aestil | i think i have the record on VR btw, 14 arcane bolts shot at me? |
| 20:59.26 | Xinhuan | i've been in sillier wipes |
| 20:59.29 | aestil | anyone able to top that? |
| 20:59.29 | Chompers | we're stuck in this "MOAR LEWT" mentality |
| 20:59.37 | Xinhuan | the tank forgot to swap into FrR gear :) |
| 20:59.51 | rob` | oops :) |
| 20:59.57 | Antiarc | Chompers: Well, I'd definitely say you should consider gearing people for Hydross and try him. |
| 21:00.00 | Antiarc | He's not a hard fight, per se. |
| 21:00.02 | aestil | 14 arcane bolts in 7.5 minutes. |
| 21:00.08 | Antiarc | It's just a fight where if things go wrong, you wipe extremely fast. |
| 21:00.08 | Chompers | we've got all the required tanks + resist gear |
| 21:00.11 | Chompers | heh |
| 21:00.12 | Xinhuan | do you remember a "firework" item called "Elune's Candle"? |
| 21:00.18 | cryogen | we had a hydros kill where our main off tank forgot his resist gear totally |
| 21:00.23 | Xinhuan | Use: Shoots a firework at your target |
| 21:00.31 | cryogen | after the killthe healers were like "htf did you take so much damage?" |
| 21:00.36 | cryogen | "oh.." |
| 21:00.39 | Xinhuan | i once had this raid, we were at vael, this rogue thought it would just be like a Snowball |
| 21:00.43 | Xinhuan | doesn't aggro the boss |
| 21:00.44 | Chompers | al'ar to 40% phase 2 though, that was nice |
| 21:00.57 | aestil | al'ar is a long, basically boring fight IMHO |
| 21:01.00 | aestil | VR is a boring fight, |
| 21:01.05 | Xinhuan | so he uses the elune's candle on vaelastraz -- it was the fastest wupe ever |
| 21:01.08 | Xinhuan | wipe* |
| 21:01.13 | Antiarc | I'd say go for it then. Hydross isn't impossible by any means. You just have to be able to tank the adds all together so you can AOE them effectively, and move everyone across sides during the transition so a stray DOT or heal doesn't pull him back across. |
| 21:01.15 | aestil | and we havn't messed with solarion since they are supposedly changing him in 2.2? |
| 21:01.17 | Chompers | was absolute chaos with the ads though |
| 21:01.18 | Industrial | gnome priest or gtfo ! http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f35ac6472c24b1aa35626c86935927fc.jpg |
| 21:01.41 | Chompers | so hydross over leo ? |
| 21:01.49 | Xinhuan | hydross is easier than leo |
| 21:01.51 | Xinhuan | by far |
| 21:01.58 | Antiarc | I'd put Hydross as easier to learn than Leo |
| 21:02.03 | cryogen | Industrial: hmm, no. |
| 21:02.04 | Xinhuan | you can also set up your hunters to misdirect on phase change on Hydross as well |
| 21:02.06 | aestil | leo much easier than hyrdoss to me. |
| 21:02.14 | cryogen | there's no real learning on hydros, it's all about gear and aoe |
| 21:02.15 | Antiarc | Leo is easier to farm than Hydross |
| 21:02.19 | Xinhuan | that way you don't even have to move anybody on phase changes - only the melee has to move |
| 21:02.27 | Antiarc | But it's got more of a learning curve |
| 21:02.39 | aestil | i thought hydross had a larger learning curve personally. |
| 21:02.44 | Chompers | i've been saving up my ep for some T5 shoulders |
| 21:02.49 | cryogen | depends on your class i guess |
| 21:02.54 | Chompers | but i'd give them up for a new boss instead |
| 21:02.55 | aestil | do your tanks walk across the line, or do you intervene across the line? |
| 21:02.58 | Xinhuan | no hydross's learning curve is far easier because it the same thing over and over |
| 21:03.04 | Xinhuan | perfect the first 2 minutes - you perfected the fight |
| 21:03.13 | Xinhuan | with leotheras, you have a chink at 15% |
| 21:03.15 | Sekkyo | Is there anything in the Kael'thas encounter that reveals as soon as he casts a Flamestrike on a random player? |
| 21:03.23 | Antiarc | Eh. Leotheras doesn't really change at 15%. |
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| 21:03.35 | aestil | yes he does. |
| 21:03.38 | Xinhuan | its enough to still wipe the raid though |
| 21:03.40 | aestil | leo to me is easy. |
| 21:03.46 | Antiarc | The fight, mechanically, doesn't change that much, iswhat I mean. |
| 21:03.49 | aestil | leo is about people not being stupid/greedy with dmg. |
| 21:03.53 | Antiarc | Yup. |
| 21:04.04 | Antiarc | It's just about knowing when to hold back and when to go balls-out |
| 21:04.04 | Xinhuan | Sekkyo: you can see the flamestrike animation below you before the cast completes |
| 21:04.11 | aestil | so, once we figured out how to distrobute healers, and then how we were gonna handle the 15% mark, it was cake. |
| 21:04.12 | Xinhuan | move out of it within 1 sec you won't take damage |
| 21:04.13 | Sekkyo | Yeah, how long is that though? |
| 21:04.20 | aestil | i think, looking back, not even vashj is that hard. |
| 21:04.27 | Xinhuan | this means moving the heck out of it ASAP and not complete your cast |
| 21:04.27 | Chompers | hydross is it |
| 21:04.28 | Sekkyo | Only 1 second? That's stupidly low |
| 21:04.29 | Chompers | thanks guys |
| 21:04.38 | Antiarc | Vashj takes a lot of communication. More than any other BC boss to date, I think. |
| 21:04.40 | Chompers | *it is |
| 21:04.46 | Xinhuan | oh but that's what you have, our MT didn't move out of it and ate a 88k flamestrike ;p |
| 21:04.47 | Industrial | vashj! |
| 21:04.55 | Sekkyo | I'm melee |
| 21:04.56 | Antiarc | But, once you can communicate decently, it's a relatively easy fight |
| 21:05.03 | Xinhuan | so after the mace healing buff is accounted for, 44k damage |
| 21:05.04 | Sekkyo | And I'm on a slower system |
| 21:05.08 | Gandharva | vashj is harder than kael imho because of the random factors |
| 21:05.10 | Sekkyo | So it's really really hard |
| 21:05.19 | Xinhuan | not much you can do about it sek |
| 21:05.19 | aestil | my favorite thing about vashj is that it sounds like vag. so there are lots of pussy jokes. even my wife makes them. |
| 21:05.24 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49375 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - fix issue where validate would be called if it was a function. |
| 21:05.35 | Xinhuan | the kael fight does involve quite a bit of graphics |
| 21:05.47 | Xinhuan | i play on 500 ms and i move out of it fine |
| 21:05.49 | Eggi | illidan demon phase needs imo more communication when the shadow demons spawn |
| 21:05.50 | ckknight | |Stan|: fixed that bug |
| 21:05.51 | Antiarc | The random factors on Vashj drive me crazy. |
| 21:05.52 | aestil | antiarc, you know what would be cool? |
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| 21:05.59 | Antiarc | ? |
| 21:06.07 | aestil | finishing sanity bags!! :D |
| 21:06.22 | Antiarc | A couple of weeks ago, I got rooted, had green crap dropped on me, and got multishotted in like...3 seconds. |
| 21:06.23 | lolinternet | arrrrrrr |
| 21:06.24 | ckknight | lol, aestil's trying to get me to do a bag mod too |
| 21:06.25 | lolinternet | Antiarc! |
| 21:06.26 | Antiarc | It was not pretty. :( |
| 21:06.29 | lolinternet | found anything? :( |
| 21:06.44 | aestil | yeah, lots of stuff like that. |
| 21:06.45 | Antiarc | Not yet. I got ninja'd for arenaing last night after SSC |
| 21:06.57 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
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| 21:07.07 | Xinhuan | Antiarc: i've got BankItems users asking me to implement features in Sanity so they can stop using sanity :o -- specifically the tooltip ones saying how many of each item is on which alt |
| 21:07.08 | aestil | i had a naga cleave me as he walked by with the tank dragging him to the center, and at that moment back to back ligthtening bolts killed me. |
| 21:07.16 | sag_ich_nicht | did you pull it yet or do you want the link again? :) |
| 21:07.25 | Antiarc | I've got the UI |
| 21:07.34 | sag_ich_nicht | kk |
| 21:07.43 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: Then implement 'em! :) |
| 21:07.47 | sag_ich_nicht | JoshBorke |
| 21:07.48 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 21:07.48 | aestil | only good one is arkinventory, but i want to combine what sanity does into a bag mod. |
| 21:07.50 | Antiarc | But I need to work on Sanity more. |
| 21:07.53 | Xinhuan | but i don't really want to lol! |
| 21:07.58 | Antiarc | Haha |
| 21:08.00 | Xinhuan | because that feature will generate a heap of garbage |
| 21:08.07 | sag_ich_nicht | nobody was willing to help me test your addon today either JoshBorke :( |
| 21:08.11 | Antiarc | It doesn't have to if you cache aggressively |
| 21:08.23 | JoshBorke | lol sag_ich_nicht |
| 21:08.25 | JoshBorke | oh wells |
| 21:08.33 | Xinhuan | that is true, but that will increase memory use by a bit |
| 21:08.44 | Xinhuan | i didn't see sanity2 code cache that either |
| 21:08.54 | Antiarc | I'm fairly certain it does |
| 21:09.10 | Antiarc | Because I ran into major slowdown issues when it doesn't, due to the fact that mousing over an item rebuilds the tooltip per page |
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| 21:09.17 | Xinhuan | you just looped through it all, add to a table |
| 21:09.28 | Gandharva | 30% of my guildmates are too stupid to kill the ghost spawns in the gorefiend fight... |
| 21:09.57 | |Stan| | ckknight: thx |
| 21:10.07 | Xinhuan | 30% is pretty good! |
| 21:10.22 | Gandharva | still enough to wipe us often :( |
| 21:10.30 | Tornhoof | heh here it is like 75% |
| 21:10.34 | Xinhuan | what class are you? |
| 21:10.39 | Gandharva | warri |
| 21:11.33 | Mudkips | Sekkyo phails @ flamestrike dodging |
| 21:11.44 | Sekkyo | Not exactly. |
| 21:11.44 | Mudkips | high spell detail |
| 21:11.59 | Sekkyo | I was dead, further away from other melee |
| 21:12.07 | Sekkyo | So it's down to milliseconds |
| 21:12.08 | Xinhuan | the flamestrike pre-cast animation on the floor is very very very very obvious |
| 21:12.15 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 21:12.15 | Mudkips | did you say very? |
| 21:12.19 | sag_ich_nicht | i found a well |
| 21:12.24 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not an exploit |
| 21:12.29 | Xinhuan | a huge orange bright circle with a pillar |
| 21:12.31 | Sekkyo | I'm trying to get any edge I need to never ever get hit by it. |
| 21:12.35 | sag_ich_nicht | but rather a creative use of LOS mechanics and textures :X |
| 21:12.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i have held up an horde raid for 30 minutes now |
| 21:12.54 | sag_ich_nicht | they still couldn't get into kara |
| 21:12.55 | sag_ich_nicht | i am alone. |
| 21:13.00 | Xinhuan | if you can't move out of it, use cloak of shadows ;p |
| 21:13.10 | Sekkyo | 90% |
| 21:13.14 | Xinhuan | are you a rogue? hehe |
| 21:13.17 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 21:13.18 | sag_ich_nicht | paladin :X |
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| 21:13.36 | sag_ich_nicht | rogue couldn't do it, only AoE capable classes :X |
| 21:13.45 | Xinhuan | 90% + your natural spell resist against a lvl 73 boss |
| 21:13.48 | Antiarc | Then you should spec Eye for and Eye and stand in the flamestrikes! |
| 21:13.54 | Xinhuan | is well at least 95% |
| 21:13.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc |
| 21:14.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i have eye for an eye |
| 21:14.04 | sag_ich_nicht | it is lulz! |
| 21:14.04 | Antiarc | :P |
| 21:14.08 | Antiarc | Yes, I know |
| 21:14.57 | sag_ich_nicht | 3 minute noob mage crits you with Pyroball. *grin* Noobmage crits you with PoM AP Pyro. you live. barely. mage dies. |
| 21:14.58 | Sekkyo | Xinhuan: Thanks. I'll just try to move out and hit CloS |
| 21:14.59 | sag_ich_nicht | >:X |
| 21:15.24 | Xinhuan | i do admit the flamestrikes are realy random |
| 21:15.28 | Mudkips | I'm telling Syl |
| 21:15.30 | Mudkips | oooo |
| 21:15.32 | sag_ich_nicht | (yes i can survive 2 pyro crits :X) |
| 21:16.04 | Xinhuan | how do you survive 2 pyro crits? |
| 21:16.10 | Xinhuan | how much hp? |
| 21:16.12 | sag_ich_nicht | barely. |
| 21:16.43 | Xinhuan | my pyro crits 5.7k with a nasty 2k ignite tick :) |
| 21:16.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ignite is dispelled |
| 21:16.58 | Killmore | spell reflect ! |
| 21:17.02 | sag_ich_nicht | i spam cleanse the second i see the pyro flying |
| 21:17.04 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 21:17.07 | Antiarc | "MediaDefender-Defenders have struck again. This time, MediaDefender's source code containing all their anti-piracy operations against BitTorrent, Kazaa, Gnutella, Ares, and much much more. Truly staggering." |
| 21:17.10 | Antiarc | R. O. F. L. |
| 21:17.15 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 21:17.23 | Xinhuan | you're as likely to dispel pyro's dot tick, than ignite |
| 21:17.24 | sag_ich_nicht | AND there is already a database out there for using it |
| 21:17.31 | Xinhuan | so 50-50 chance! |
| 21:17.38 | Saint-N | hahahahahahahaha |
| 21:17.42 | cryogen | pyro's dot is not dispellable |
| 21:17.50 | cryogen | s/'// |
| 21:17.55 | Xinhuan | hmm really? |
| 21:17.58 | cryogen | no wait, that was legitimate |
| 21:18.01 | cryogen | really |
| 21:18.02 | Xinhuan | i never noticed if its a magical effect or not |
| 21:18.03 | cryogen | same as fireball |
| 21:18.14 | cryogen | i think fireball used to be dispellable but they changed it |
| 21:18.21 | sag_ich_nicht | it's magical. what else would it be? :X |
| 21:18.26 | cryogen | i could be wrong about remembering that, but it certainly isnt dispellable now |
| 21:18.29 | sag_ich_nicht | an invisible debuff? curse? bs :X |
| 21:18.33 | Xinhuan | if its magical, then its dispellable |
| 21:18.39 | cryogen | it's red border |
| 21:18.43 | cryogen | like misery |
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| 21:19.00 | Xinhuan | but misery doesn't classify as "magic debuff"? |
| 21:19.05 | Sekkyo | Mudkips: Please do, it'll be great. |
| 21:19.08 | cryogen | sure it does |
| 21:19.12 | Mudkips | lol |
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| 21:19.21 | sag_ich_nicht | then i can dispell it oO |
| 21:19.36 | sag_ich_nicht | might get a dispell resist |
| 21:19.38 | cryogen | it's not 'magic' though, ie it's not blue border it's red border |
| 21:19.38 | Mudkips | why you gotta be like that Sekkyo |
| 21:19.41 | Mudkips | serious sam you |
| 21:19.46 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 21:19.51 | sag_ich_nicht | doesn't matter |
| 21:19.51 | sag_ich_nicht | because |
| 21:19.55 | sag_ich_nicht | i have already tricked a mage once |
| 21:19.58 | Sekkyo | I'm not particuarly fond of cowards |
| 21:19.59 | sag_ich_nicht | pyro hits me |
| 21:20.08 | sag_ich_nicht | eye for an eye fires back |
| 21:20.09 | Mudkips | >.> |
| 21:20.25 | sag_ich_nicht | i hit bubble and click it away again as he's charging himself up with AP |
| 21:20.41 | sag_ich_nicht | it might kill me, or it might not if it crits. depends on the spelldmg of the mage |
| 21:20.45 | cryogen | would be cool if spellsteal randomly stole a debuff instead of a buff |
| 21:20.50 | cryogen | that could be... interesting |
| 21:20.58 | sag_ich_nicht | but the mage damn sure dies. |
| 21:20.59 | Tem | ohwow |
| 21:21.11 | Xinhuan | i killed myself once on the Boars at the ogrila area --- i had 3 mobs on me and used pom/pyro to get rid of one -- it reflected T_T |
| 21:21.15 | Tem | I just saw nymbia in a pvp video from 2 years ago |
| 21:21.22 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 21:21.26 | cryogen | yeah i did that once |
| 21:21.30 | cryogen | low hp - shadow word death |
| 21:21.33 | cryogen | double damage to myself, whee |
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| 21:21.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i always get out of such situations. |
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| 21:21.51 | sag_ich_nicht | fear my bubble hearth macro! |
| 21:21.55 | cryogen | heh |
| 21:22.17 | sag_ich_nicht | no self respecting paladin should go without one. |
| 21:22.17 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 21:22.25 | Xinhuan | wtb iceblock hearth |
| 21:22.26 | cryogen | my 65 paladin hasone <3 |
| 21:22.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan no! |
| 21:22.37 | Xinhuan | do it in the arena in a losing game imo |
| 21:22.42 | Xinhuan | bubble hearth |
| 21:22.45 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 21:22.48 | sag_ich_nicht | that would be gold |
| 21:23.09 | Antiarc | You can't hearth in the arena :( |
| 21:23.10 | Antiarc | I've tried. |
| 21:23.12 | aestil | any shadow priests in the channel want to theory craft with me real quick? |
| 21:23.14 | Xinhuan | oh? |
| 21:23.16 | Antiarc | Just for the lolz value. |
| 21:23.17 | caith`afk | hiho, I've a question to the mod "classtimer". I tried to anchor a panel the the classtimer-bars, but I can't find a framename -.-. can anyone help me? =/ |
| 21:23.23 | Antiarc | Yeah. "You can't use this item in the arena." |
| 21:23.25 | Antiarc | Or similar. |
| 21:23.26 | Xinhuan | :( |
| 21:23.39 | Antiarc | So we've taken to rezzing our fallen when the other team is down to 1 member. |
| 21:23.40 | |Stan| | ckknight: is this a rock or an eepanels error? http://ace.pastey.net/74155 |
| 21:23.43 | Xinhuan | bubble gnome transporter trinket then! |
| 21:23.44 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 21:23.57 | Antiarc | We had a team from our server get REALLY pissed about that |
| 21:24.08 | Antiarc | We actually had a shammy heroism + rez a DPS and turn the tide of a match for us |
| 21:24.11 | aestil | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29272 vs http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28603 |
| 21:24.13 | Antiarc | It was beyond hilarious. |
| 21:24.35 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 21:24.44 | Xinhuan | how long is a heroism rez? |
| 21:24.49 | Xinhuan | 7 secs? |
| 21:24.58 | cryogen | aestil: the first, probably, in most isntances |
| 21:25.10 | Antiarc | 7 sec, yeah |
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| 21:25.26 | aestil | thats why i figure. its esically givng up 1% crit, and like 280 mana or something |
| 21:25.40 | aestil | for 23 spell dmg. |
| 21:25.52 | JoshBorke | the first one |
| 21:25.54 | aestil | i have 3/5 imp MB so i get lots of MB's in. |
| 21:26.16 | aestil | what about the solarian one? |
| 21:26.41 | aestil | meh. its not that good. |
| 21:26.45 | cryogen | aestil: crit isnt worth getting over +dmg unless you *really* lack it and dont have the +crit on mb |
| 21:26.49 | cryogen | and well, who doesnt have that |
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| 21:27.07 | aestil | well, i just wondered how much +crit = dmg |
| 21:27.10 | aestil | like whats the ratio. |
| 21:27.17 | cryogen | for a shadow priest.. its way low |
| 21:27.18 | aestil | obvioulsy 1% crit would be better than 1 dmg, 5 dmg. |
| 21:27.24 | Xinhuan | what are the 2 items? i didn't click |
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| 21:27.35 | aestil | orb of soulcaller vs. OH from Nightbane |
| 21:27.46 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 21:27.49 | aestil | is 1% crit and aroun 260 mana vs 23 more +shadow dmg. |
| 21:27.51 | Xinhuan | i'll say go with the orb of soulcaller |
| 21:27.52 | TNSe | aestil, you need about 500 crit rating to make up for 1 spell damag |
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| 21:27.59 | Saint-N | id take the 51 over ther 28+stats/crit any day |
| 21:28.06 | Xinhuan | its only an upgrade when you get the offhand from Rage Winterchill |
| 21:28.11 | TNSe | now make your choice. |
| 21:28.13 | aestil | TNSe, you speak crazy talk. |
| 21:28.16 | TNSe | no |
| 21:28.18 | TNSe | I speak truth. |
| 21:28.19 | Xinhuan | and even then its only a *minor* upgrade |
| 21:28.24 | Xinhuan | if you ever get that |
| 21:28.25 | TNSe | crit rating = worthless worthless worthless for shadowpriest |
| 21:28.25 | cryogen | the benefit SWP and MF get from +dmg is <3 |
| 21:28.37 | TNSe | let me repeat again |
| 21:28.40 | TNSe | crit rating = worthless worthless worthless for shadowpriest |
| 21:28.42 | Antiarc | http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=chuck |
| 21:28.42 | orionshock | jello |
| 21:28.44 | TNSe | now |
| 21:28.45 | aestil | not true, but ok. |
| 21:28.46 | TNSe | let me say it again |
| 21:28.48 | TNSe | crit rating = worthless worthless worthless for shadowpriest |
| 21:28.49 | cryogen | not worthless at all |
| 21:28.54 | aestil | you're so wrong |
| 21:28.56 | TNSe | considering you can get 15% from talents |
| 21:28.59 | TNSe | its worthless |
| 21:28.59 | aestil | its just not worth as much as +dmg |
| 21:29.03 | Saint-N | its worthless if you're giving up +dam for it |
| 21:29.14 | aestil | no, it depends on how much dmg. |
| 21:29.16 | TNSe | but there is no case where you get more damage AND critrating |
| 21:29.16 | cryogen | depends |
| 21:29.16 | Saint-N | sp's have az nice built in crit rating as is |
| 21:29.32 | TNSe | you will always lose damage from getting spell crit |
| 21:29.49 | TNSe | all spell crit does |
| 21:29.54 | TNSe | is increase efficiency of sw:d and mb |
| 21:30.01 | TNSe | which are still hugely ineffective compared to MF |
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| 21:30.06 | aestil | so? |
| 21:30.12 | aestil | i use MB almost every single time its up |
| 21:30.20 | aestil | i'm not concerened about efficiency, i'm concerned about dmg |
| 21:30.31 | TNSe | well, it works fine in kara |
| 21:30.45 | TNSe | now, go fast forward to morogrim and lurker below |
| 21:30.57 | aestil | i'll show you my wws from last nights lurker. |
| 21:31.00 | aestil | noob. |
| 21:31.06 | cryogen | mana pots <3 |
| 21:31.14 | TNSe | lol |
| 21:31.21 | aestil | hmm, on lurker, i used 1 maybe? |
| 21:31.24 | Antiarc | Lurker's only about a 6-7 minute fight |
| 21:31.25 | aestil | 2 at the most. |
| 21:31.26 | TNSe | I love it when people call me n00b |
| 21:31.33 | ckknight | http://bp0.blogger.com/_TFrHThD0jQY/RtZstRkLGrI/AAAAAAAAAR0/aVE2zajz2Hc/s1600-h/hitler.jpg |
| 21:31.33 | TNSe | after O |
| 21:31.39 | TNSe | after I tell them the truth :) |
| 21:31.40 | aestil | you just told me to fast forward to bosses i've been farming for over a month |
| 21:31.50 | TNSe | yeah |
| 21:31.55 | TNSe | and you still don't know what your class needs |
| 21:32.02 | TNSe | and you tell me that I'm the n00b |
| 21:32.04 | cryogen | i love it when people state their opinion as fact |
| 21:32.05 | aestil | yeah, 30 mindblasts that did 101879 dmg |
| 21:32.06 | TNSe | after I've given you my advice |
| 21:32.10 | cryogen | and then get all arsey about it |
| 21:32.28 | TNSe | the fact is, if you take an item with spell crit |
| 21:32.29 | TNSe | or gem |
| 21:32.33 | TNSe | you will lose spell damage |
| 21:32.34 | aestil | considering that MB is highest damage per second of any ability |
| 21:32.38 | TNSe | thats just how itemization works |
| 21:32.52 | aestil | ima use it every time its off cooldown. |
| 21:32.54 | TNSe | and pr point of itemization, spell damage is > crit |
| 21:33.05 | TNSe | for our damage |
| 21:33.29 | cryogen | for equal or similar ilevels, sure |
| 21:33.36 | aestil | yes it is. i'm comparing 23 +dmg to 17+crit and 19int |
| 21:33.38 | cryogen | crit rating is expensive, no disputing that |
| 21:33.54 | TNSe | aestil, the stats do for us: |
| 21:33.55 | aestil | i have no +crit gems |
| 21:34.00 | TNSe | int: Increases time until you take first mana pot |
| 21:34.07 | TNSe | mp5/Spirit: Increases time between pots |
| 21:34.19 | TNSe | spell: Increases time between pots, your dps and utility. |
| 21:34.27 | TNSe | crit: increases efficiency on 2 spells slightly. |
| 21:34.32 | aestil | 19int = .25%crit [or so] and 17 crit rating = .75% crit or so |
| 21:34.51 | aestil | jesus christ, i know what the stats do. |
| 21:35.05 | TNSe | then why are you asking? :P |
| 21:35.08 | Toshirou | I can't find where the global variables are on WoWWiki; can some one point me to where they would be listed? |
| 21:35.11 | cryogen | i still think in this instance the orb is far better |
| 21:35.23 | cryogen | but it's not a 100% applicable rule that dmg is better always |
| 21:35.29 | Xinhuan | Toshirou: global variables? |
| 21:35.30 | TNSe | the orb is the best thing in the game, by far |
| 21:35.36 | aestil | ima get that next with heroic badges, i took icon of the silver crescent first. |
| 21:35.43 | TNSe | good choice :P |
| 21:35.48 | TNSe | icon = <3 |
| 21:36.05 | cryogen | one of our shadowpriests once asked me how much +hit i had |
| 21:36.06 | Toshirou | Xinhaun: Variables inside WoW that are global (e.g. Partysize, number of chat frames) |
| 21:36.08 | aestil | yeah, its crazy. |
| 21:36.11 | cryogen | then replied that he had about 250 :/ |
| 21:36.14 | Xinhuan | neltheron's tear > icon -- until you are at the spellhit cap ;p |
| 21:36.15 | TNSe | :D |
| 21:36.16 | TNSe | awesome |
| 21:36.17 | aestil | i have an absurd amount of hit rating ow. |
| 21:36.21 | cryogen | i.. cried irl |
| 21:36.22 | TNSe | 250 +hit :D |
| 21:36.27 | TNSe | I have 66 |
| 21:36.28 | |Stan| | ckknight: posted it in the eepanels thread |
| 21:36.29 | aestil | only 1/5 in shadow focus. |
| 21:36.30 | TNSe | I dont even bother maxing it |
| 21:36.40 | TNSe | because all my wws'es |
| 21:36.40 | Xinhuan | Toshirou: no such list exists - you can extract the default UI code out using blizzard's toolkit |
| 21:36.45 | Xinhuan | and refer from tere |
| 21:36.45 | TNSe | show that on boss fights, I still have <1% resist |
| 21:36.50 | ckknight | |Stan|: but I already fixed it... |
| 21:36.51 | TNSe | at 66 hit |
| 21:36.54 | cryogen | TNSe: thats all you need |
| 21:36.59 | ckknight | |Stan|: remove your post, it's not eepanels' fault |
| 21:37.01 | cryogen | it's capped at 16%, 10 + 6 from gear = win |
| 21:37.07 | aestil | yes. |
| 21:37.08 | TNSe | people claim its 76 tho |
| 21:37.12 | Toshirou | Xinhaun: Thank you, thought I'd seen it before, maybe it changed with a patch or something. |
| 21:37.20 | aestil | i have 2% from talents and 14.2 from gear. |
| 21:37.20 | cryogen | people are probably right |
| 21:37.30 | TNSe | but 66 has been enough for me, but I cheat with draenei shammies :P |
| 21:37.30 | cryogen | but the difference between 66 and 76 is like.. 0.1% |
| 21:37.33 | TNSe | (+1% spell hit) |
| 21:37.33 | Xinhuan | a list just isn't useful seeing as it changes patch to patch |
| 21:37.45 | cryogen | there you go then :) |
| 21:38.17 | TNSe | if only eye of mag had dropped or us even once |
| 21:38.38 | TNSe | but noooo, elusive sob trinket |
| 21:38.44 | aestil | i'd rathe rhave my green on use trinket and my icon of silver crescent than that. |
| 21:38.52 | TNSe | I want to dump more +hit |
| 21:38.56 | aestil | i get resisted like once a boss fight. |
| 21:39.00 | |Stan| | ckknight: well I updated it again and got a new error message, I linked you |
| 21:39.10 | TNSe | heh |
| 21:39.14 | ckknight | didn't get it |
| 21:39.31 | TNSe | well, my opinion is, in no circumstance should you take +crit over +spell |
| 21:39.39 | TNSe | you get enough +crit from talents |
| 21:39.42 | TNSe | 'enough' |
| 21:39.46 | |Stan| | ckknight: "ckknight: is this a rock or an eepanels error? http://ace.pastey.net/74155" < |
| 21:39.47 | aestil | so you'd pass on 1% to crit for 1 +dmg? |
| 21:39.50 | TNSe | max out +hit, the spell damage |
| 21:40.04 | TNSe | aestil, I dont think you'll ever find such a case :P |
| 21:40.12 | TNSe | but if the item need sto be enchanted |
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| 21:40.17 | TNSe | and such, I probably would pass |
| 21:40.18 | ckknight | |Stan|: let's see... |
| 21:40.31 | cryogen | i have something like 25% crit on mind blast |
| 21:40.35 | TNSe | me too |
| 21:40.36 | aestil | my point is, that i started this discussion to figure out the actual number of +hit / crit rating where crit is better. |
| 21:40.39 | cryogen | and no i didnt stack crit, i just ended up with it :p |
| 21:40.40 | TNSe | thats just 10% base +15% talents |
| 21:40.47 | cryogen | ok more like 30% then |
| 21:41.01 | cryogen | 28pointsomething maybe |
| 21:41.05 | cryogen | been a while |
| 21:41.17 | TNSe | aestil, my guess is that 22 crit rating probably equals 5 spell damage |
| 21:41.27 | TNSe | thats not fact |
| 21:41.29 | TNSe | just guess :P |
| 21:41.33 | ckknight | |Stan|: technically it's his bad, but I'll fix it on Rock anyway. |
| 21:41.56 | TNSe | and if you look at mana efficiency instead of dps |
| 21:41.57 | Xinhuan | what you are not realising is that crit% scales with gear |
| 21:41.59 | Xinhuan | +dmg doesn't |
| 21:42.14 | Xinhuan | if all your spells do 2k damage, then 1% crit is worth +20 damage |
| 21:42.18 | aestil | fuck mana efficiency |
| 21:42.18 | TNSe | for shadowpriest? |
| 21:42.20 | aestil | i don't run out of mana |
| 21:42.23 | cryogen | Xinhuan: totally different for priests |
| 21:42.30 | Xinhuan | yes i'm aware its different for priests |
| 21:42.37 | |Stan| | ckknight: ok. want me to leave him a message what he can improve? |
| 21:42.41 | Xinhuan | but you should still take that into account |
| 21:42.49 | TNSe | thing is, we have cooldown on our nukes |
| 21:42.52 | Xinhuan | that some stats scale, some doesn't |
| 21:42.56 | TNSe | and they are pretty mana inefficient |
| 21:43.04 | TNSe | +crit increases their efficiency |
| 21:43.06 | aestil | but who cares? make more mana pots. |
| 21:43.07 | TNSe | dps not so much |
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| 21:43.10 | Antiarc | Well, the PTRs are shut off. 2.2 is very likely Tuesday. |
| 21:43.18 | ckknight | |Stan|: he should be using type = 'range' instead of type = 'text' |
| 21:43.20 | TNSe | good |
| 21:43.39 | ckknight | Antiarc: so glad I released Rock onto the masses on last Sunday instead of next |
| 21:43.39 | cryogen | is 2.3 zul'doodah? |
| 21:43.50 | ckknight | zul'aman |
| 21:43.50 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:44.00 | Antiarc | ckknight: If it'd been next Sunday you could have claimed it was the patch's fault! :P |
| 21:44.04 | cryogen | that'll be a while then maybe |
| 21:44.11 | cryogen | it's odd that 2.2 took so long |
| 21:44.21 | TNSe | aestil, you get innervate from druids? |
| 21:44.24 | ckknight | Antiarc: ah... true, but there are some bugs that needed fixing |
| 21:44.29 | aestil | never once in my life. |
| 21:44.33 | Antiarc | Yes, I'm just joking :P |
| 21:44.39 | TNSe | heh |
| 21:44.52 | aestil | at least, not as a shadow priest. |
| 21:45.05 | cryogen | i chug far too many mana pots for it to be healthy |
| 21:45.06 | TNSe | feral druids should innervate shadowpriests :P |
| 21:45.14 | cryogen | i agree |
| 21:45.20 | aestil | feral druids innervate healing priests. |
| 21:45.22 | cryogen | when the mana battery runs out.. it sucks |
| 21:45.23 | JoshBorke | i get innervates |
| 21:45.27 | aestil | i'd rather not die, and get priorty on heals. |
| 21:45.35 | TNSe | well, spriest generates 200mp5 atleast |
| 21:45.35 | aestil | my group seriously loves me. |
| 21:45.42 | TNSe | innervate generates what? |
| 21:45.50 | aestil | it depends on your spirit? |
| 21:45.54 | TNSe | not 200mp5 for 5 ppl |
| 21:46.01 | caith | priest-lurker-spirit trinket !!!!! |
| 21:46.05 | TNSe | innervate on shadowpriest definately is worth it .P |
| 21:46.10 | Gagorian | http://www.saunalahti.fi/~larssaar/nerf.jpg 1873 spelldamage self-buffed |
| 21:46.12 | aestil | my wife probably gets something like 1400 Mana 5 from an innervate. |
| 21:46.17 | caith | +300 spirit for 20 sec :> |
| 21:46.27 | Gagorian | :Z |
| 21:46.44 | Antiarc | Whoa |
| 21:46.51 | Antiarc | WWS just moved to http://wowwebstats.com/ |
| 21:46.55 | TNSe | heh |
| 21:46.58 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 21:46.59 | TNSe | 1873, but still crap dps P |
| 21:47.29 | NeoTron | TNSe: lol |
| 21:47.31 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 21:47.35 | Gagorian | It's on trash ;P |
| 21:47.40 | TNSe | riiiiiight |
| 21:47.43 | aestil | actually, she regens like 2k+during the innervate |
| 21:47.46 | TNSe | demonology specced!?!? :P |
| 21:47.48 | Gagorian | And guess if it's hard to try to get all procs right for the screenshots |
| 21:47.50 | Gagorian | Affliction |
| 21:47.58 | aestil | for 20 seconds? |
| 21:48.01 | NeoTron | trash dps is actualy a big part of my evaluation of dps classes |
| 21:48.02 | TNSe | 20% crit with affli? |
| 21:48.08 | Gagorian | 25% |
| 21:48.10 | aestil | and she has a spirit stick she switches to, and she has the earing from lurker |
| 21:48.19 | Gagorian | 40/0/21 |
| 21:48.19 | aestil | so basically, no, if a healer is OOM than you innervate the healer |
| 21:48.26 | aestil | and if the SP is oom, why didn't he use pots? |
| 21:48.34 | TNSe | well, seems like you got the gear for a 40/0/21 build |
| 21:48.42 | cryogen | healers that go oom are undergeared or in the wrong group |
| 21:49.05 | cryogen | or are overhealing |
| 21:49.09 | Paradox | hey guys.. i've got a macro to do this.. target [mouseover], send pet to attack, and use a spell on said target, how can I add a modifier to this macro, to /just/ send my pet to attack and not do anything else in the macro, with the modifier being the shfit button? |
| 21:49.14 | Gagorian | Yeah it works well |
| 21:49.18 | cryogen | or are at the very beginning of new progressio |
| 21:49.19 | cryogen | n |
| 21:49.38 | Toshirou | Not to sound new or anything but in an "if" statement will nil will pass as false? If not, how do I make it pass as false? |
| 21:49.38 | aestil | yes. |
| 21:49.42 | aestil | MT healers overheal. |
| 21:49.45 | aestil | and we tell them to. |
| 21:49.51 | aestil | and besides 2/5 T5 set bonus is crazy |
| 21:49.54 | Gagorian | NeoTron: You might also see that it's about 20k damage compared to 35k |
| 21:50.03 | aestil | my wifes priest got like 44k mana back in last nights raid from in. |
| 21:50.10 | Xinhuan | Toshirou: if (not nil) then .... |
| 21:50.12 | Gagorian | And I spent that time looking at char screen and stacking up darkmoon card |
| 21:50.20 | Gagorian | So that's beside the point ;P |
| 21:50.23 | NeoTron | I've taken to AoEing trash between hydross and lurker |
| 21:50.25 | Toshirou | Xinhuan: Thank You |
| 21:50.26 | NeoTron | it's fun :P |
| 21:51.07 | TNSe | aestil, 44k mana over how long time? |
| 21:51.36 | aestil | little over 3 hour raid. |
| 21:51.51 | aestil | she got back 122k or so from VT. |
| 21:51.55 | NeoTron | I'm demo spec so I naturally haver high spell dmg |
| 21:51.58 | aestil | to demonstrate how powerful that 2 piece is. |
| 21:52.12 | NeoTron | >1500 in rids without "on use" trinkets |
| 21:52.14 | TNSe | had no idea its that bad. |
| 21:52.26 | aestil | that bad? |
| 21:52.32 | TNSe | bad in a good way |
| 21:52.34 | TNSe | heh |
| 21:52.39 | Gagorian | NeoTron there's no use trinket there :P |
| 21:52.41 | aestil | like that badass? |
| 21:52.43 | TNSe | yes |
| 21:52.45 | TNSe | badass :P |
| 21:53.07 | NeoTron | how do you get so much dmg if I might ask? darkmoon is only 80.. |
| 21:53.13 | aestil | you could just change the tooltip to read 'every time one of your Gheals overheals the target, you get 100 mana' |
| 21:53.15 | CIA-22 | 03mikk 07Alpha * r49379 10Ace3/AceLocale-3.0/AceLocale-3.0.lua: |
| 21:53.15 | CIA-22 | Ace3 - ACE-24 |
| 21:53.15 | CIA-22 | - enGB, not enEN, duh. not that i know if it's needed. |
| 21:53.15 | CIA-22 | - use rawset in __newindex handler. ofc. |
| 21:53.22 | Gagorian | 220 damage procs from the ashtongue talisman :p |
| 21:53.36 | NeoTron | you normally have 1500 dmg as aff spec? |
| 21:53.37 | aestil | so basically, yeah, its like make sure your tank is full, its cool, the heal will only cost you 100 mana |
| 21:53.38 | Gagorian | on 3 targets or more it's up most of the time |
| 21:54.11 | Gagorian | Neotron well with buffs yes |
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| 21:55.23 | |Stan| | ckknight: thx for the fix and I told evil elvis in the eepanels thread :) |
| 21:55.34 | ckknight | okay |
| 21:55.58 | NeoTron | Gagorian: na or eu? |
| 21:56.22 | Gagorian | eu |
| 21:57.12 | NeoTron | hrm |
| 21:57.20 | NeoTron | you only have 1200 with felarmor unbuffed |
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| 21:57.32 | Gagorian | myes need to stack up darkmoon faire trinket |
| 21:57.43 | NeoTron | ok so 1280 |
| 21:57.52 | Gagorian | then flask oil and food |
| 21:58.10 | NeoTron | elemental shammy? |
| 21:58.14 | NeoTron | or any shammy rather |
| 21:58.16 | Gagorian | not in that pic no |
| 21:59.10 | CIA-22 | 03ennuilg * r49380 10scorchio/ (changelog.txt core.lua scorchio.toc): |
| 21:59.10 | CIA-22 | scorchio: |
| 21:59.10 | CIA-22 | - Added CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_DAMAGE check to pick up scorches cast by players in a raid with you, in a different group, who don't have Scorchio! installed. |
| 22:00.27 | Gagorian | So buffed I'm at 1518 without shammy or any trinkets except darkmoon stacked. |
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| 22:02.43 | aestil | how much +dmg is the darkmooncard stacked? |
| 22:03.03 | NeoTron | 1554 as demo spec. |
| 22:03.16 | NeoTron | but I don't concentrate on pure dmg.. I value stamina and such too (as demo especially) |
| 22:03.50 | RogueShadow | mmm dmg. yum |
| 22:05.16 | Gagorian | Myes I got hit capped and ~25% crit |
| 22:05.23 | Gagorian | So not pure damage either |
| 22:05.35 | Sekkyo | Is there a good collection/sample of PitBull layouts? |
| 22:05.39 | Gagorian | That shot is just for show anyway :P |
| 22:05.43 | Sekkyo | I want to get something as close as http://www.tehforce.net/images/WoWScrnShot_082007_211316.jpg as possible |
| 22:05.45 | RogueShadow | There's a forum thread |
| 22:05.53 | aestil | ckknight, the transparency when you loose focus on rock is sexy |
| 22:05.55 | Sekkyo | With smaller versions for raids |
| 22:06.13 | ckknight | :-) |
| 22:06.39 | Sekkyo | RogueShadow: Are they full layouts? |
| 22:07.57 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_091907_211144.jpg <-- pretty happy with my UI as-is now. :D |
| 22:08.07 | Ellipsis | http://www.macrocats.com/images/uploads/mc10822.jpg |
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| 22:09.57 | Sekkyo | Ellipsis: that redirections to getting started with Firefox D: |
| 22:10.15 | Ellipsis | then something is wrong with your firefox install o.O |
| 22:10.21 | Antiarc | Nope. |
| 22:10.22 | Antiarc | Same here. |
| 22:10.26 | Ellipsis | http://www.macrocats.com/comments.php?id=P946_0_1_0 |
| 22:10.32 | RogueShadow | Sekkyo, not so much. Thier layouts for the things like, player window, party window target window etc... |
| 22:10.37 | Ellipsis | maybe it's hotlink blocked or something |
| 22:10.38 | RogueShadow | Not thier placement on the screen so mucyh. |
| 22:11.41 | Sekkyo | Sigh. |
| 22:12.06 | Sekkyo | Looks like I'm going back to agU until I get a couple of hours to mess with PitBull. I had the exact same issue with X-Perl |
| 22:12.23 | Sekkyo | Its just too messy to configure, no out of the box profiles. |
| 22:13.23 | RogueShadow | I thought that too at first. I kinda just copied x-perl's layout mostly. |
| 22:13.29 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: graph at bottom left recount dps? |
| 22:13.30 | RogueShadow | Maybe it's just because I got used to it. |
| 22:13.39 | Antiarc | CombatGraph |
| 22:13.43 | JoshBorke | ah, ok |
| 22:14.14 | Chompers | http://logan-1.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/8a/8af3a6ce6d33bc83274d230d3c19be625d0fbf9b.jpg |
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| 22:15.17 | Bejitt- | Antiarc: what's that tooltip mod? |
| 22:15.23 | Antiarc | CowTip |
| 22:15.50 | Ellipsis | so um, in order to use savedvars (without AceDB) it's just as simple as putting them in a global table and specifying that table's name in the .toc? |
| 22:16.15 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/cowtip.jpg |
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| 22:16.18 | Antiarc | That shows it off a bit better |
| 22:17.25 | Ellipsis | anyone? >_< |
| 22:17.40 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 22:17.45 | Bejitt- | nice |
| 22:17.49 | Antiarc | That table gets serialized on reloadui/logout |
| 22:17.54 | Ellipsis | kk |
| 22:18.04 | Ellipsis | that's way easier than I thought it was going to be |
| 22:18.59 | Ellipsis | all this time I have found ways to make my code work without saved vars, and now I've finally given in just to work around a Blizz bug :( |
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| 22:19.25 | sb | ohhhhh |
| 22:19.26 | sb | Antiarc |
| 22:19.28 | sb | giev settings :p |
| 22:19.29 | sb | <3 |
| 22:19.49 | Antiarc | For what, cowtip? |
| 22:20.36 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/CowTip.lua |
| 22:20.38 | Antiarc | Knock yourself out. :) |
| 22:20.39 | aestil | ckknight, how do i copy a color value with rockconfig color picker, and paste it into another set of options? |
| 22:20.42 | sb | yup |
| 22:20.48 | sb | for cowtip on that screenshot |
| 22:20.52 | aestil | damn he's gone. |
| 22:21.07 | Chompers | Antiarc: any plans to add graphs to Omen? |
| 22:21.20 | Antiarc | Chompers: I did once upon a time, but they eat CPU like nobody's business |
| 22:21.23 | Chompers | i remember you talking about how memory intensive they were |
| 22:21.24 | Chompers | ah |
| 22:21.27 | Antiarc | I think I'll probably do a separate threat graphing mod |
| 22:21.31 | Antiarc | Sometime |
| 22:21.47 | Chompers | i find graphs much easier to interpret than numbers |
| 22:24.09 | aestil | antiarc, you know what i like, is that pullout bar. |
| 22:24.13 | aestil | i think its a very useful tool. |
| 22:24.22 | Antiarc | I agree. I just need to polish it up. :) |
| 22:24.25 | Antiarc | Make it really useful. :) |
| 22:24.29 | aestil | may i make a suggestion? |
| 22:24.46 | aestil | i'd like my part of threat to be class colored, the tanks to be class colored, and the 'pull threat' zone to be red. |
| 22:25.01 | Toshirou | Is there a way to target a unit by it's Raid Target Icon? |
| 22:25.06 | aestil | and then i'd like to be able to customize the font, and the data able to put in there. |
| 22:25.15 | aestil | toshirou, as far as i know, no. |
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| 22:26.24 | Ellipsis | having both parts class colored might be a problem for dps warrs and feralol droods :P |
| 22:26.54 | Sekkyo | RogueShadow: The problem is that PitBull doesn't provide a semblance of any layout. It's just broken out of the box. |
| 22:27.59 | Bejitt- | Antiarc: you have a diff pos for unit and world tooltip? o.O |
| 22:28.09 | Antiarc | Yeah, I guess so |
| 22:28.15 | Antiarc | I really usually only care about the unit tooltip |
| 22:28.34 | buu | There's too many addons =[ |
| 22:29.14 | buu | Because I can't think of anything to make. |
| 22:29.35 | Antiarc | buu: A management addon for raid death pool betting. |
| 22:29.50 | Chompers | bet on the rogues! |
| 22:29.56 | Antiarc | Totally the mages. |
| 22:30.03 | Silowyi | Antiarc: SWStats lets you track deaths |
| 22:30.11 | Antiarc | Silowyi: So does Assessment |
| 22:30.12 | Corgan | I would bet on the tanks |
| 22:30.16 | Corgan | for new encounters |
| 22:30.18 | Corgan | amirite? |
| 22:30.20 | Silowyi | Antiarc: What we've found in our raids is that the holy priests by far and above die the most >.> |
| 22:30.21 | buu | Antiarc: Haha, nice |
| 22:30.22 | Antiarc | But I want a mod that allows me to set up and collect bets on who is gonna bite it first. :D |
| 22:30.31 | buu | Antiarc: We just need a raid game |
| 22:30.46 | Chompers | or raid 'goal' |
| 22:30.46 | Silowyi | generally because priests are itemized for the least hp. |
| 22:30.54 | Silowyi | aside from fire mages |
| 22:30.56 | Chompers | first to hit 3 seperate mobs wins a point |
| 22:31.02 | Corgan | lol |
| 22:31.33 | RogueShadow | first to hit 3 separate mobs? mage's win? |
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| 22:32.04 | Antiarc | You'd be surprised at what a rogue with blade flurry can do. <_< |
| 22:32.16 | RogueShadow | that's still 2 at once. |
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| 22:32.22 | RogueShadow | I am a rogue with blade flurry |
| 22:32.33 | Antiarc | Pack the mobs tightly enough and you can break a lot of sheep. >_> |
| 22:32.38 | RogueShadow | anybody with an instant aoe can hit more at once if just hitting them is the goal |
| 22:32.39 | Chompers | sweeping strikes + whirlwind |
| 22:32.39 | Ellipsis | hmm...first to be on 3 threat lists or first to do damage to 3? |
| 22:33.09 | Antiarc | Last night's WWS says that our arcane mage topped the list with 9 deaths |
| 22:33.14 | Antiarc | Enhance shaman had 7 |
| 22:33.21 | sag_ich_nicht | ~stab Antiarc |
| 22:33.21 | purl | ACTION runs at Antiarc with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:33.22 | Antiarc | Fire mage and Holy priest had 6 |
| 22:33.39 | Chompers | i'd kill to have an enchance shammy in my group |
| 22:33.41 | RogueShadow | priests and mages make a lot of sense to me. |
| 22:33.43 | Antiarc | Resto shaman, rogue, fire mage, feral druid, 2 BM hunters, and our DPS warrior all had 5. |
| 22:33.45 | Chompers | i miss WF so much |
| 22:33.52 | NeoTron | anyone else noticed recount having multiple entries for the same ppl during combat? |
| 22:34.03 | RogueShadow | priests are hated by mobs. mage's can overhit a lot and hit too many. |
| 22:34.13 | sag_ich_nicht | haha the WF nerf nearly does't affect ret paladins at all. |
| 22:34.14 | NeoTron | seems to come in place when you auto-swap what to display (which also doesn't seem to work correctly) |
| 22:34.14 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 22:34.20 | aestil | antiarc: kill your arcane noob mage? |
| 22:34.47 | Antiarc | aestil: 2-piece T5 + shadowpriest |
| 22:34.50 | Antiarc | *shrug* |
| 22:34.53 | Antiarc | They do really impressive damage |
| 22:35.01 | NeoTron | nothing wrong ith arcane mages |
| 22:35.04 | RogueShadow | I can't really speak for high end raiding, but in instances a lot of people can overdo it and die. :) Warlocks can dot everything, if we only have one tank, i'ts hard to keep them alive after that. |
| 22:35.04 | NeoTron | we have two |
| 22:35.10 | JoshBorke | sag_ich_nicht: update simulcast |
| 22:35.12 | NeoTron | one used to be incredibly bad dps (as fire) |
| 22:35.16 | NeoTron | and then respecced arcane |
| 22:35.23 | NeoTron | the other night he was second overall dmg for the night |
| 22:35.26 | Ellipsis | RogueShadow, better they dot everything and split their threat than go nuts on one target :P |
| 22:35.47 | Antiarc | Eh. It's easier to taunt one target than 12. :P |
| 22:35.49 | NeoTron | my felguard tanked hydross for a little bit! |
| 22:35.51 | RogueShadow | Ellipsis, very true. :) |
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| 22:36.22 | Ellipsis | secretly, all warlocks love to tank |
| 22:36.25 | Bejitt- | CowTip says to look at http://www.wowace.com/wiki/LibDogTag-2.0 ... but it doesnt exist :X |
| 22:36.29 | Ellipsis | you thought that stam was for life tap? pfft |
| 22:36.42 | buu | It's true. |
| 22:36.44 | RogueShadow | Ellipsis, They like to be close to death ;) |
| 22:36.51 | buu | Come wotlk when we get demon form, we're going to be the new main tanks. |
| 22:36.53 | ckknight | hey |
| 22:37.02 | ckknight | demon form? |
| 22:37.12 | Ellipsis | WTB |
| 22:37.23 | buu | I dunno. It'd be cool for a while. |
| 22:37.27 | NeoTron | I tank leo, I tank solarian (AR soaker), I tanked kael'thas (astromancer chick and the bow) |
| 22:37.33 | buu | I just want to steal shadowpriest's talents. |
| 22:37.36 | Ellipsis | hey, we already have the highest threat generation |
| 22:37.40 | Ellipsis | it's a logical next step |
| 22:37.47 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: Ever seen a ret pally's threat gen? :) |
| 22:37.53 | Antiarc | Ret pallies can threatcap so fast, it's stupid. |
| 22:38.02 | ckknight | *sigh* it's true |
| 22:38.06 | ckknight | they're annoying |
| 22:38.14 | Ellipsis | lolret |
| 22:38.24 | buu | Spriest threat gen is pretty good in the right circumstances. |
| 22:38.26 | Ellipsis | no I actually try to avoid grouping with ret pallies :P |
| 22:38.39 | RogueShadow | RogueShadow, Stop talking to yourself rogue. |
| 22:38.40 | aestil | so, i'm sure you'll all be happy to know that with 1 misclick i deleted a top level panel in eePanels and destroyed 40 parented panels below it, effecivly destroying my UI |
| 22:38.50 | NeoTron | searing pain is pretty sick threat however |
| 22:38.57 | Antiarc | aestil: That's when you alt+f4 out of WoW |
| 22:38.58 | ckknight | aestil: sucks |
| 22:39.00 | Ellipsis | aestil: back up your saved vars before you close WoW |
| 22:39.02 | Antiarc | So that it doesn't save your savedvars |
| 22:39.04 | buu | NeoTron: It's just double. |
| 22:39.07 | Antiarc | And on next load-up, they're back |
| 22:39.09 | ckknight | Antiarc: alt-f4 saves |
| 22:39.13 | Antiarc | Since when? |
| 22:39.13 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 22:39.15 | ckknight | afaik |
| 22:39.20 | Kaydeethree | it has for a while |
| 22:39.21 | Antiarc | Okay, then kill it from the task manager |
| 22:39.22 | NeoTron | buu: yeah |
| 22:39.23 | NeoTron | but do the math |
| 22:39.30 | Mudkips | wow |
| 22:39.31 | NeoTron | that's a lot of TPS |
| 22:39.31 | aestil | it hasn't saved them, even if i reloaded already? |
| 22:39.44 | Ellipsis | reload saves em |
| 22:39.45 | Antiarc | If you reloaded it saved. |
| 22:39.50 | Mudkips | 40 panels? by the way |
| 22:39.53 | aestil | yeah, its cool, i'll live. |
| 22:39.54 | Mudkips | I'd like to see that working |
| 22:39.58 | Mudkips | you have any screenshots? |
| 22:40.00 | aestil | is a prat dev in the channel right now? |
| 22:40.06 | NeoTron | Alt-f4 kills |
| 22:40.07 | Antiarc | aestil: Check your wtf folder for a backup of the savedvars |
| 22:40.07 | aestil | need ask a question. |
| 22:40.11 | Antiarc | Maybe you'll get lucky |
| 22:40.14 | buu | NeoTron: I can't make it do decent tps =[ |
| 22:40.15 | ckknight | aestil: sylvanaar |
| 22:40.17 | NeoTron | if it saved it'd take time to exit but it doesn't |
| 22:40.35 | ckknight | that's not true |
| 22:40.47 | ckknight | saving variables is very fast |
| 22:40.48 | aestil | sylvanaar, i want to make all my chat panes an identical size. |
| 22:40.54 | NeoTron | nah |
| 22:41.00 | NeoTron | it takes long time to me log out to save vars |
| 22:41.07 | NeoTron | while on a char without mods it's pretty instant |
| 22:41.09 | Ellipsis | NeoTron, hard drive activity continues after the graphical part closes |
| 22:41.09 | aestil | can i use min/max size module of prat to acoomplish that? |
| 22:41.11 | Ellipsis | if you pay attention :P |
| 22:41.14 | buu | NeoTron: I suppose in theory if you average 900dps with searing pain.. |
| 22:41.24 | buu | Well, 900 per cast. |
| 22:42.01 | aestil | antiarc: the eepanels SV file that has .bak on it? |
| 22:42.08 | Antiarc | Pop it open in notepad |
| 22:42.14 | Antiarc | See if it has anything interesting in it |
| 22:42.25 | aestil | nah. its 1KB, my other is 198 kb |
| 22:42.28 | Antiarc | :/ |
| 22:42.32 | NeoTron | in my FR gear |
| 22:42.42 | NeoTron | I generate > 1100 TPS |
| 22:42.47 | NeoTron | from SP alone |
| 22:42.49 | aestil | its cool. i have a toaster oven i can take a bath with. |
| 22:43.06 | NeoTron | if I was actually wearing damage gear I would have more than 800 fire dmg.. and I'm also not specced for max TPS |
| 22:43.19 | buu | NeoTron: I'm trying to talk some warriors in to fr spec instead. |
| 22:43.46 | aestil | i saved my difficult to figure out scripts. and hopefully i can make it slightly better than before. |
| 22:43.47 | Ellipsis | I wish Netherspite had threat during the beams... |
| 22:43.59 | NeoTron | and UI can take hits up above 21k :P |
| 22:44.12 | NeoTron | it'll kind of suck when they change the t5 set bonus though |
| 22:44.15 | Speeddymon | hey guys, anyone know of an addon that tracks what quests you have completed? |
| 22:44.16 | NeoTron | my pet will need heals then |
| 22:44.20 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49381 10Cartographer/Cartographer_Waypoints/Waypoints.lua: Cartographer_Waypoints - fix nil bug |
| 22:44.25 | NeoTron | at least I won't have to tank at solarian anymore |
| 22:44.26 | Ellipsis | NeoTron, you're demo? |
| 22:44.31 | NeoTron | yep |
| 22:44.43 | Ellipsis | sweet |
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| 22:44.46 | NeoTron | 6/44/11 atm |
| 22:44.52 | Speeddymon | basically so that when i look at the thottbot list of quests in a zone, I can quickly tell what ones i have done, and what ones are left |
| 22:45.00 | Ellipsis | 6 o.O |
| 22:45.02 | Ellipsis | instant corr + ? |
| 22:45.36 | Ellipsis | Speeddymon: watch this thread? http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8573.0 |
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| 22:45.48 | Speeddymon | kk thx |
| 22:46.05 | aestil | http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7443/wowscrnshot092007154531dp2.jpg |
| 22:46.09 | aestil | looks naked now. |
| 22:46.16 | NeoTron | http://wowwebstats.com/p5i1xkmjiw4mq?p5i1xkmjiw4mq&s=6955-7466 |
| 22:46.27 | NeoTron | 1900 DPS on Morogrim |
| 22:46.37 | NeoTron | instant corruption + 1 life tap |
| 22:46.53 | NeoTron | but I need to respec so I can get extended range for KT tanking (need to be >30yrd) |
| 22:46.59 | Ellipsis | wow...information overload @ top right corner, aestil |
| 22:47.12 | aestil | my little fubar? |
| 22:47.15 | Ellipsis | seems like you can't just glance at it and find the particular number you want to see |
| 22:47.24 | Ellipsis | because there's so many numbers in a row :P |
| 22:47.32 | Ellipsis | maybe that's just me, idk |
| 22:47.36 | Antiarc | Holy cow, that's a lot of DPS. |
| 22:47.38 | aestil | topscore/friends/guild/quests/errors/set/money/performanc/volume/clock |
| 22:48.03 | aestil | i don't like icons on my fubar :( |
| 22:48.06 | sb | "Patch will be "soon" and probably sooner than most soons you've known. Smiley" <-- what does that mean? :P |
| 22:48.16 | aestil | but its not supposed to look this bare and minimalist |
| 22:48.23 | Ellipsis | I like icons for certain things and numbers for others...so I try to alternate them to break it up visually |
| 22:48.33 | Antiarc | Next Tuesday likely |
| 22:48.37 | Antiarc | The PTRs were taken offline today |
| 22:48.37 | Ellipsis | sometimes it works really well, e.g. ClosetGnome icon next to DuraTek text |
| 22:48.52 | aestil | makes sense. |
| 22:48.54 | Antiarc | NeoTron: Best I can manage on Morogrim is about 1500 DPS. :( |
| 22:48.58 | Antiarc | (But I'm a rogue. <_<) |
| 22:49.01 | aestil | i like numbers :) |
| 22:49.08 | Ellipsis | clearly :P |
| 22:49.09 | sb | well yes Antiarc, but sooner than soon sounds like something else ;p |
| 22:49.16 | Antiarc | http://wowwebstats.com/p3eneozcx3kj1?p3eneozcx3kj1?&s=2827-3250 |
| 22:50.06 | aestil | http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/5349/wowscrnshot090207201838qc7.jpg is what i lost |
| 22:50.37 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 22:50.40 | Ellipsis | make my mom stop emailing me |
| 22:50.53 | Ellipsis | I get like 3-4 emails a day from her and have to stop what I'm doing to see if it's important |
| 22:50.53 | aestil | don't reply, she'll stop on her own. |
| 22:50.58 | ckknight | lol, Ellipsis |
| 22:50.59 | Ellipsis | I don't, that's the thing :( |
| 22:51.34 | sb | hmm Antiarc |
| 22:51.37 | Antiarc | Does anyone know if there's a way to make Quartz show self-buffs? |
| 22:51.46 | sb | i cant select "Gradient Top/Bottom" in cowtip? :P |
| 22:51.48 | sb | why? :P |
| 22:51.51 | Antiarc | I'd like to get mine to show my SnD duration, as well as Deadly/Rupture applications on my target |
| 22:51.56 | Antiarc | sb: *shrug* |
| 22:51.58 | Antiarc | Ask ckknight |
| 22:52.04 | sb | oh but it works? |
| 22:52.10 | sb | you can enter it and it works? |
| 22:52.12 | Shirik | Saint-N: It's not |
| 22:52.12 | Antiarc | It did at one point at least |
| 22:52.16 | sb | then i dont care ;p |
| 22:52.24 | shieldb | aestil, in that second shot, any particular reason why you have three healthstone buttons? o_0 |
| 22:52.29 | ckknight | there's a gradient? |
| 22:52.56 | aestil | because i like to be aware of which ones i have left. |
| 22:53.01 | Ellipsis | anyone have a script/program that automatically cleans saved vars, other than WAU? |
| 22:53.04 | aestil | goes from left to right as small/medium/large |
| 22:53.24 | shieldb | being aware of inventory makes sense |
| 22:53.39 | shieldb | I just couldn't see why you wouldn't macro all three onto one button along with a charged crystal focus |
| 22:54.30 | NeoTron | Antiarc: as a rogue, 1500 dps probably means lots of heroism or BT/hyjal gear :P |
| 22:54.43 | Antiarc | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarion+Circle&n=Adrine |
| 22:55.13 | Antiarc | And just the one heroism in that fight. ;) |
| 22:55.24 | Antiarc | Oh wait |
| 22:55.28 | Antiarc | I logged out in PVP gear last night |
| 22:55.30 | Antiarc | But I'm in T4/T5 |
| 22:55.34 | Antiarc | We haven't killed Kael yet. |
| 22:56.08 | NeoTron | so how do you manage 1500 dps? because itseems our rogues are quite a bit below that :P |
| 22:56.24 | Antiarc | Morogrim's a bit special because I can go nuts with AR+BF on the murlocs |
| 22:56.36 | Antiarc | I'm usually in the 1200ish range in single-target fights |
| 22:56.40 | NeoTron | maybe that's why. I don't think our rogues touch the murlocs |
| 22:56.56 | shieldb | Antiarc, on the other hand, sometimes you end up with horrible dps on morogrim because you get a lot of graves ;) |
| 22:56.56 | Antiarc | Well, I keep Morogrim targeted |
| 22:57.08 | Antiarc | But bladeflurry can chew through murlocs nicely |
| 22:57.31 | JoshBorke | paladin tank ftw |
| 22:57.34 | NeoTron | I had 3 graves in that attempt, as did the second warlock |
| 22:57.51 | NeoTron | JoshBorke: we've discovered that using controlled AoE is better |
| 22:57.55 | Bejitt- | how do you guys handle the protadin getting tombs? |
| 22:57.56 | shieldb | warlocks get really inflated dps on morogrim by comparison, because of AOE |
| 22:58.00 | aestil | antiarc: you don't have your pally+healers down by the water tomb? |
| 22:58.13 | Antiarc | aestil: No, we do it all right on top of Morogrim |
| 22:58.14 | NeoTron | pally tank without controlled aoe (meaning SoC first, then frostnova/aoe) is more prone to error should the ona prot pally be out of commission |
| 22:58.19 | Kaydeethree | oh wow |
| 22:58.21 | aestil | i just don't see why? |
| 22:58.41 | Antiarc | aestil: No splitting the raid, easy to avoid the globules, and you get the AOE damage pegging Morogrim too |
| 22:58.42 | aestil | at the cost of a little dps, you hav ea completely controled fight, with no chance to wipe pretty much |
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| 22:58.56 | aestil | you don't have to split the raid. |
| 22:59.18 | aestil | you have the pally tank with 3 healers down there, and when its time to AoE the warlocks just turn around |
| 22:59.35 | Antiarc | *shrug* |
| 22:59.38 | Ellipsis | but turning around is work! |
| 22:59.42 | Antiarc | We just learned it this way and it works reliably for us |
| 22:59.45 | aestil | we move at 25% so that no one has a chance to be hit by globules. |
| 22:59.53 | aestil | but no one can be tombed at that point either. |
| 23:00.04 | aestil | your pally tank geting tombed is very potentially a wipe. |
| 23:00.09 | Antiarc | We've had our paladin get tombed and it doesn't really hurt. |
| 23:00.18 | aestil | that was not our expierence. |
| 23:00.20 | Antiarc | Nah. We just have a war/druid pick them up |
| 23:00.23 | aestil | obvoiulsy, our dps is lower though. |
| 23:00.28 | aestil | 12 mobs? |
| 23:00.34 | vhaarr | challenging shout |
| 23:00.37 | Antiarc | Challenging shout/roar buys enough time |
| 23:00.47 | aestil | hmm. |
| 23:00.49 | aestil | ok. |
| 23:00.54 | Antiarc | We had it happen last week, didn't really even slow us down |
| 23:00.54 | aestil | its just so easy the other way. |
| 23:00.56 | Shirik | Quick question |
| 23:00.59 | Shirik | Anyone here used jira? |
| 23:01.08 | Ellipsis | yup |
| 23:01.13 | Shirik | Good? Bad? Ok? |
| 23:01.17 | Ellipsis | I like it |
| 23:01.40 | Ellipsis | the organization doesn't quite fit with this type of project, but it still does the job nicely |
| 23:01.46 | Sekkyo | Why are Rock addons forgetting that they are attached to Minimap every time you log on? |
| 23:02.04 | Sekkyo | FuBar, Rock-based addons, I suppose |
| 23:02.54 | Sekkyo | These actually might not be rock, which is the problem. |
| 23:03.05 | Sekkyo | Prat, ElkBuffBars, agU, oRA2, LoggerHead, Omen |
| 23:03.27 | Sekkyo | Bartender3 also |
| 23:03.33 | Ellipsis | Sekkyo, there's been an issue with FuBar forgetting plugin positions lately |
| 23:03.42 | Ellipsis | are yours going back to bar 1 on the left? |
| 23:03.53 | Sekkyo | yes |
| 23:03.57 | Ellipsis | probably the same bug then |
| 23:04.07 | Sekkyo | Any idea on a fix? It's pretty frustrating atm |
| 23:04.29 | Ellipsis | I don't know of a specific fix, I was having that problem for a while but it went away after enough playing with my FuBars |
| 23:04.47 | Ellipsis | no idea what actually did it though |
| 23:04.50 | sb | Antiarc: "[PvPRank] [NameRealm:HostileColor] [TalentSpec:Bracket]", -- [1] looks much better ;p |
| 23:05.32 | ckknight | Sekkyo: try /script FuBar2DB = nil |
| 23:05.35 | ckknight | Sekkyo: and reload your ui |
| 23:05.42 | ckknight | then see if things save position |
| 23:05.49 | Sekkyo | Is this char specific? |
| 23:05.52 | ckknight | no |
| 23:06.03 | sb | ckknight: i think there is a problem with negative numbers in cowtip config |
| 23:06.10 | ckknight | ? |
| 23:06.17 | ckknight | negative numbers where? |
| 23:06.22 | sb | x/y position |
| 23:06.27 | ckknight | okay |
| 23:06.36 | sb | anchor: bottomright, and x is always positive |
| 23:07.31 | sb | position + if i logout then and insert the -, its exactly where i positioned it |
| 23:07.51 | Sekkyo | Thanks, ckknight, now my interface is completely broken |
| 23:08.07 | Sekkyo | top and bottom bar, elements everywhere |
| 23:08.26 | ckknight | but things should save their state now |
| 23:08.39 | Sekkyo | Lost all of my profiles |
| 23:08.50 | Sekkyo | I would not have done this had I known that |
| 23:09.05 | ckknight | sorry, guy |
| 23:09.12 | Sekkyo | :\ |
| 23:09.38 | sb | http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/9841/wowscrnshot092107010802qa4.jpg <3 cowtip :p |
| 23:09.43 | Sekkyo | Can't attach to minimap, either. Get an exception |
| 23:09.43 | sb | thanks Antiarc ;) |
| 23:09.53 | Sekkyo | Please tell me how to put this back without having to lay everything out again |
| 23:10.48 | ckknight | well, for one, instead of just complaining about getting errors, you should actually tell me the error, so it can be fixed |
| 23:10.56 | durcyn | Sekkyo: quit out and copy FuBar.lua.back to FuBar.lua in savedvars |
| 23:11.12 | ckknight | oh yea, that'll work |
| 23:11.23 | ckknight | tell me the error you got, btw |
| 23:11.30 | Sekkyo | Too late |
| 23:11.40 | Sekkyo | It also brought about tons of other errors |
| 23:11.53 | Sekkyo | How about I send you Fubar.lua.bak and you can play with it? |
| 23:12.20 | aestil | is this lament of the highborn a new 5 man raid? |
| 23:12.21 | Sekkyo | Just recreate what I did, that command, reloadui. then add something to the minimap, and try to remove the second bar |
| 23:12.28 | Mudkips | 8D |
| 23:12.30 | aestil | it looks like naxx kinda. |
| 23:12.35 | ckknight | or how about you just give me the error that you got |
| 23:12.46 | ckknight | first error, not the ones after it |
| 23:12.59 | aestil | also, am i the only excited about naxx as a 'mc' level 80 raid? |
| 23:13.19 | ckknight | I hope you realize that I'm not your personal slave. I have other things that I could be doing besides helping you with bugs |
| 23:13.25 | ckknight | so, you have to give a little |
| 23:13.29 | QQngsk | naxx is fun, but I doubt the people who've already cleared it are very 'excited' about it |
| 23:13.33 | aestil | me, and 1 other guy are the only people that did anything in naxx in my guild, he got 4 horseman, i got to like.... not that far. |
| 23:13.50 | aestil | yeah, but like... .5% of the raiders have cleared it. |
| 23:13.54 | buu | I'm excited as long as I get an artifact out of it |
| 23:14.13 | QQngsk | sure, .5% cleared it, but way more than that spent plenty of hours in there |
| 23:14.19 | aestil | my guild cleared thaddius and GWM |
| 23:14.26 | Sekkyo | ckknight: Sorry to bother you at all. It's restored and I'm just going to deal with it for now. |
| 23:14.26 | aestil | yeah, i spent plenty of hours in there. |
| 23:14.42 | aestil | and i want to see 4H and saph etc... |
| 23:14.45 | buu | Need moar atiesh. |
| 23:14.47 | aestil | pisses me off that we never got to. |
| 23:14.49 | ckknight | and thus, you'll keep getting the error because you refuse to give me any real details to help you |
| 23:15.00 | aestil | we were just learning DDR when our guild falled apart. |
| 23:15.16 | Sekkyo | No, not really. It was only related to changing the FuBar2DB value. |
| 23:15.17 | aestil | who's after heigen? |
| 23:15.26 | Sekkyo | Or whatever messy configuration it resulted in |
| 23:15.34 | ben_ | The rock config thing renders behind fubar pulldown menu, but intercepts clicks :argh: |
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| 23:17.44 | |Stan| | ckknight: have u read about the funky tooltips that only say "Mouse Over"? |
| 23:17.59 | ckknight | yea... don't know how to reproduce |
| 23:18.19 | |Stan| | m :/ |
| 23:18.42 | |Stan| | I hate it when things don't throw an specific error and you have to guess whats wrong |
| 23:19.13 | aestil | our best dps in my guild hasn't seen BWL :) |
| 23:19.28 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 23:19.40 | aestil | it really cracks me up, i'll forget and be like 'yeah, so its like huhu blah blah blah' and he'll say 'huhu?' |
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| 23:20.14 | Gngsk | Aens|Superiority, loatheb |
| 23:20.31 | Gngsk | oops, meant for aestil, too many people in this channel these days |
| 23:20.32 | aestil | loatheb is after heigen? |
| 23:20.38 | Gngsk | yah |
| 23:20.41 | aestil | loatheb last boss in that wing? |
| 23:20.44 | Gngsk | yep |
| 23:20.58 | aestil | yeha, i'm pretty sure that was our last 'wing' to clear before end 2 bosses. |
| 23:21.15 | aestil | so that would be all but 4 bosses downed for me. i'm sure the fights will be different. |
| 23:21.21 | aestil | stuff that was 'new' then won't be now. |
| 23:21.32 | aestil | the bug fight would be pretty easy now. |
| 23:21.35 | aestil | DDR will still be hard. |
| 23:21.39 | aestil | i hate that supression room. |
| 23:21.53 | aestil | DDR will suck for us because we have 3 aussies and 2 brazillians. |
| 23:21.57 | aestil | so lag is an issue. |
| 23:22.20 | Gngsk | i'm pretty sure they're not really going to change the encounters, just balance them for l80 25m |
| 23:22.25 | Ellipsis | but it's a fun fight when people know what they're doing |
| 23:22.42 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49382 10Threat-1.0/ (Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0.xml Threat-1.0/lib.xml Threat-1.0.toc): Threat-1.0 - add lib.xml (keep Threat-1.0.xml for backwards-compat) |
| 23:22.44 | JoshBorke | 4H? |
| 23:22.47 | shieldb | aestil, lag isn't really an issue on the heigan dance |
| 23:22.47 | aestil | yeah |
| 23:22.49 | aestil | 4h |
| 23:22.58 | aestil | ok, well then thadius for sure :) |
| 23:23.00 | shieldb | we had three or so austrailian people and they were quite good at it |
| 23:23.04 | JoshBorke | how would you balance 4H for 25 people? |
| 23:23.07 | Gngsk | 4h was like the only one they mentioned about rebalancing |
| 23:23.17 | shieldb | JoshBorke, 2.5 horsemen |
| 23:23.22 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:23.23 | shieldb | the other two are cardboard cutouts |
| 23:23.24 | Ellipsis | 4h was killer |
| 23:23.28 | shieldb | or 1.5 I suppose |
| 23:23.30 | aestil | 4h was sorta dumb anyways, since, you had to have like 8 tanks? |
| 23:23.58 | Ellipsis | and even once you did, you had about a 80% chance of screwing up somewhere along the line, which = wipe |
| 23:24.07 | aestil | any guilds who just recently killed vashj, and are now making kael attempts? |
| 23:24.13 | ZealotOnAStick | it was fairly reliably doable with 6. |
| 23:24.37 | ZealotOnAStick | they just all needed the 4 pc T4 bonus. Or maybe it was 6 pc. Something like that. |
| 23:24.46 | shieldb | 4pc t3 bonus was the taunt one |
| 23:25.37 | kebinusan | We always lost tanks to other guilds who were killing 4h as soon as they got their 4pc |
| 23:25.43 | kebinusan | I think we lost 3 tanks that pre bc |
| 23:25.46 | aestil | i think it woudl be cool if threat generation on tanks was more important than mitigation going forward |
| 23:25.56 | kebinusan | really sucked, kept us from progressing |
| 23:26.00 | aestil | and that tanks got lots of +hit on their gear along with sta and shield block. |
| 23:26.13 | kebinusan | Im really not a big fan of blizzards realm transfer gayness |
| 23:26.24 | Mudkips | me neither |
| 23:26.28 | shieldb | well, it sucks when you lose someone that way |
| 23:26.33 | shieldb | but it's great if you're stuck in a dead end server |
| 23:26.33 | rob` | That would take a bit of pressure of paladin tanks, if mitigation were less important than threat generation. |
| 23:26.46 | rob` | we could start stacking int and +dmg and spell hit over armour. |
| 23:27.05 | Ellipsis | shieldb, if you transfer to a server and find out too late that it's a dead end server, you're still stuck for a month >_> |
| 23:27.11 | rob` | and taurens wouldn't have such an advantage horde-side. |
| 23:27.12 | shieldb | three months |
| 23:27.20 | Ellipsis | eh, that |
| 23:27.30 | Ellipsis | I'm remembering wrong |
| 23:27.36 | Ellipsis | but it did happen to me a while back |
| 23:27.44 | vhaarr | kebinusan: Consider the fact that WoW was my first MMORPG, and that I had no grasp of PvE or PvP concepts at all, so I started out on one kind of server because that's where my work mates played. |
| 23:28.01 | vhaarr | kebinusan: then consider that 3 years later, I've long realised that the choice I made was a mistake |
| 23:28.03 | vhaarr | now I can't move |
| 23:28.21 | vhaarr | PvP -> PvE? Forget it. |
| 23:28.21 | aestil | vhaar, why can't you move? |
| 23:28.32 | vhaarr | can't move from pvp to pve server |
| 23:28.41 | Corgan | er |
| 23:28.42 | Ellipsis | yes you can |
| 23:28.42 | Corgan | what? |
| 23:28.42 | rob` | You can. did. |
| 23:28.45 | Corgan | it's the other way around |
| 23:28.46 | ckknight | yes you can |
| 23:28.49 | rob` | s/did/I did/ |
| 23:28.49 | sb | you can! |
| 23:28.52 | Corgan | PvE->PvP is nonwork |
| 23:29.06 | Mudkips | FOGHORN |
| 23:29.10 | shieldb | vhaarr: "strike that, reverse it" ? ;) |
| 23:29.15 | Mudkips | you guys |
| 23:29.15 | aestil | i wish i understood how to use that purl shit. |
| 23:29.16 | Ellipsis | and suddenly, vhaarr's world changed completely... |
| 23:29.25 | JoshBorke | PvP-> PvE = OK. PvE -> PvP = BAD |
| 23:29.31 | JoshBorke | PvP -> PvP = OK |
| 23:29.41 | Corgan | PvE -> PvE = OK |
| 23:29.49 | JoshBorke | any questions? |
| 23:29.49 | vhaarr | give me a minute for gods sake, these pages are slower than my dead grandmother |
| 23:29.56 | kebinusan | Yeah they did pve->pvp cause Fires of Heaven is cool .. I think transfers were up for a whole 3 days |
| 23:29.59 | rob` | I think you can go RP <-> PVE as well. |
| 23:30.08 | Ellipsis | yeah, RP has no effect |
| 23:30.10 | Corgan | RP <-> PvE |
| 23:30.10 | rob` | oh, but there's RP-PVP and RP-PVE. |
| 23:30.12 | Corgan | RPPVP |
| 23:30.23 | Ellipsis | so RPPvP counts as PvP and RPPvE counts as PvE |
| 23:30.26 | shieldb | RP realms are equivalent to PVE, as are RP-PVP to PVP for transfers |
| 23:30.26 | Ellipsis | for the sake of transfers |
| 23:30.33 | vhaarr | the account management pages are stuck in an infinite loop here |
| 23:30.40 | vhaarr | so I can't test it, but I'll take all your words for it :P |
| 23:30.41 | JoshBorke | we're right, you're wrong |
| 23:31.00 | shieldb | basically the goal is to not end up on a PVE server ;) |
| 23:31.10 | shieldb | or be really, really sure you want to be on one |
| 23:31.21 | vhaarr | I'm still fucked though, because I want to move my horde char from a pve to a pvp server |
| 23:31.26 | Mudkips | I could never play on PvE server |
| 23:31.26 | buu | Ha ha. |
| 23:31.34 | buu | Mudkips: I want to get the hell off this pvp server. |
| 23:31.43 | vhaarr | Mudkips: sure you could, it's so much easier |
| 23:31.49 | rob` | I did PVP servers for two years, and the constant gankings just got really old. |
| 23:31.57 | vhaarr | indeed it does |
| 23:31.59 | Mudkips | I would be too frustrated in a different way |
| 23:32.00 | rob` | I mean, some of these people just need to get a life. |
| 23:32.00 | buu | World pvp is incredibly, incredibly stupid. |
| 23:32.02 | Ellipsis | as a carebear, I can't even imagine playing on a PvP server x.x |
| 23:32.12 | Mudkips | It feels good to pk players that annoy me |
| 23:32.15 | RogueShadow | pvp? |
| 23:32.21 | Mudkips | like that hunter who keeps tagging your mobs |
| 23:32.24 | buu | I've honestly run out of words to describe how mind bogglingly stupid world pvp is. |
| 23:32.34 | Ellipsis | Mudkips, what if the hunter is on your faction? :P |
| 23:32.35 | rob` | as long as "annoy you" doesn't mean "happens to be in the same zone". |
| 23:32.40 | aestil | world PvP is so pointless. |
| 23:32.46 | Mudkips | if hes on your faction |
| 23:32.54 | buu | aestil: It might be entertaining if killing people mattered some way |
| 23:32.56 | Mudkips | get a friend from the opposite faction to kill him |
| 23:32.59 | Ellipsis | honestly, world PvP on PvE servers makes more sense to me than on PvP servers |
| 23:33.00 | RogueShadow | You mean like those things in eastern plaguelands? I've only been there once. hmm |
| 23:33.02 | aestil | doubtful. |
| 23:33.03 | buu | aestil: But the only thing it allows is for 12 year olds to waste your time |
| 23:33.16 | Ellipsis | because at least there's a downside to flagging which means you don't do it unless you have a good reason |
| 23:33.17 | aestil | yes |
| 23:33.26 | vhaarr | well, this changes stuff |
| 23:33.27 | Mudkips | world pvp doesn't really have a point |
| 23:33.32 | Mudkips | everyone knows that |
| 23:33.33 | aestil | or some guild thats starting karazhan to camp out SSC on the night you are going to kill vashj to waste your time? |
| 23:33.36 | Mudkips | you just do it for fun |
| 23:33.39 | Mudkips | and because you can- |
| 23:33.40 | buu | Mudkips: Sure it does.. it lets 13 year olds feel cool by ganking lowbies |
| 23:33.40 | Seerah | I miss old TM/SS days... |
| 23:33.52 | Ellipsis | but I *hate* that organized PvP is practically required |
| 23:33.56 | aestil | vhaar, my pvp server really doesn't have much problems with ganking. |
| 23:33.59 | buu | Mudkips: But I'd like to think well adjusted people don't require it. |
| 23:34.03 | kebinusan | I didnt want to level on a pvp server.. mostly I didnt want to spend more time running back to my corpse than anything else.. though I kind of regret that choice cause there would be more to do when bored (ala griefing) |
| 23:34.16 | Ellipsis | PvP rewards can be some of the best gear out there for PvE, and that's just not right :( |
| 23:34.18 | vhaarr | aestil: lucky for you |
| 23:34.25 | buu | Ellipsis: Just weapons fortunately. |
| 23:34.44 | aestil | ok, so assuming that I can't get the trash necklace to drop from Kara, lets find my SP a better necklace. |
| 23:34.51 | Ellipsis | it doesn't matter, it still pisses me off that I'm expected to PvP even though i'm on a PvE server, if I want to max my gear out |
| 23:34.52 | rob` | When I leveled characters on a pvp server, I usually kept a book by the computer, and when someone killed me, I ran back to my corpse and read until they went away. |
| 23:34.59 | buu | aestil: Go kill moroes. |
| 23:35.09 | Ellipsis | the whole point of a PvE server is that fighting players is an option, not a requirement |
| 23:35.18 | *** part/#wowace Wogroipl (n=Wogroipl@c529c7a0e.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 23:35.24 | shieldb | well, it is world of WARcraft ;) |
| 23:35.28 | Mudkips | ^ |
| 23:35.31 | buu | Ellipsis: Well, it's still subpar gear in t5 areas |
| 23:35.35 | buu | Ellipsis: So, er, get past kara |
| 23:35.40 | Ellipsis | hah |
| 23:35.48 | Ellipsis | I'm not even keyed for kara (on my lock, anyway) |
| 23:35.54 | aestil | moroes? |
| 23:35.57 | rob` | warcraft, yes, but not world of waste-my-time-with-some-13-year-old-with-a-tiny-cock-craft. |
| 23:36.02 | Mudkips | I do think I'm more of a carebear ... really but a good gank always feels nice when you're on the giving end |
| 23:36.09 | buu | Ellipsis: Heh. |
| 23:36.17 | shieldb | rob`, it's an internet video game. You were expecting something different? :) |
| 23:36.21 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 23:36.24 | rob` | The man has a point. |
| 23:36.26 | Seerah | .... nicely put, rob..... |
| 23:36.35 | Mudkips | and those 13 yr old gankers you guys seem to be fixed on isn't common |
| 23:36.45 | Mudkips | yes it happens but not all the time from my experience |
| 23:36.54 | buu | Mudkips: Once you get past stv and arathi crap |
| 23:36.55 | rob` | I was a mage in Stranglethorn Vale. |
| 23:37.00 | shieldb | Mudkips, that's been my experience as well |
| 23:37.03 | rob` | rogues .. behind every tree. |
| 23:37.11 | Mudkips | stv? |
| 23:37.13 | Mudkips | oh cow |
| 23:37.15 | RogueShadow | that was me! |
| 23:37.19 | buu | And getting ganked at half life never gets old. |
| 23:37.19 | Ellipsis | I hate to admit this, but I used to play RuneScape. after that, ganking in WoW is nothing. |
| 23:37.20 | RogueShadow | ... well not likely. |
| 23:37.24 | Seerah | I was on my druid alt last night selling and repairing and some lock that was 3-4 lvls above me challenged me to a duel. I never accept epeen duels anyway, and they /lol'ed at me. /sigh |
| 23:37.27 | Mudkips | I guess it helps that I don't reroll every 3 months |
| 23:37.28 | shieldb | I went from 1-60 pre-expansion when the majority of the server was raiding BWL on a high pop server |
| 23:37.41 | shieldb | I think I got ganked maybe four times or so total |
| 23:37.42 | Mudkips | I've had my druid since 2005 and no other level 60 > |
| 23:37.46 | RogueShadow | PvP is a mixed bag, but what isn't? There's tradeoff's to it all. |
| 23:37.54 | Mudkips | my higher alt is a 42 blood elf paladin >.> |
| 23:38.09 | Mudkips | highest* |
| 23:38.10 | Seerah | It took me about 1.5 yrs to get to 60 with my mage |
| 23:38.11 | aestil | buu, thats the necklace i have. |
| 23:38.13 | RogueShadow | What provides a great deal of fun, can also provide a lot of grief, hard to have just the fun. |
| 23:38.13 | shieldb | but on the other hand I know better then to level in STV, Southshore, or any of the other usual pvp hotspots |
| 23:38.17 | aestil | guess i have to kill Kael to get a better one. |
| 23:38.23 | Mudkips | I guess I'm just not an alt person and that saves me the headache of dealing with ganks |
| 23:38.25 | buu | aestil: Sound serasonable. |
| 23:38.27 | Seerah | highest alts are a 42 lock (only played cause mage was hostage on hubby's account) and 41 druid |
| 23:38.29 | Ellipsis | when my bf and I were transferring servers, we looked into rerolling on a PvP server (because it would be faster than waiting for our transfer cooldowns) |
| 23:38.45 | aestil | that means alot of bosses inbetween suck ass for neck drops. |
| 23:38.48 | Ellipsis | we logged in on one PvP server and asked 4 people in STV whether ganking was a problem |
| 23:38.57 | Seerah | haha |
| 23:39.05 | Ellipsis | one said not at all, another said it was annoying but not a big deal |
| 23:39.15 | RogueShadow | I always play in Hillsbrad :) good times. |
| 23:39.17 | Ellipsis | the other two said DON'T TRANSFER HERE THEY GANK CONSTANTLY |
| 23:39.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ganking is always a problem on pvp servers, people are jerks. :P |
| 23:39.29 | Mudkips | hillsbrad is definitely worse than STV |
| 23:39.29 | buu | aestil: I'm confused, what are you getting at? |
| 23:39.34 | Mudkips | oh lord |
| 23:39.43 | buu | Heh, I was getting ganked at level 70 in stv |
| 23:39.48 | aestil | buu, blizzard itemzation is poor? |
| 23:39.57 | RogueShadow | Hillsbrad is supa fun :) Some days I can't get anything done because i'm just getting killed all the time |
| 23:39.58 | buu | aestil: Didn't you start off with something about pvp? |
| 23:40.02 | RogueShadow | Some days I get a lot done tho. |
| 23:40.04 | aestil | no. |
| 23:40.09 | buu | Ok. |
| 23:40.20 | Ellipsis | it was amusing though...I don't know whether the people we asked all had different play styles, or even were just different classes |
| 23:40.21 | buu | Oh, it was Ellipsis |
| 23:40.23 | aestil | i am on a PvP server, and its not that big a deal hear for the most part. |
| 23:40.29 | buu | Who thought he had to pvp for some reason. |
| 23:40.32 | Ellipsis | but the fact that we got such wildly different responses was odd |
| 23:40.34 | shieldb | aestil: look at rogue offhand swords if you want a great example of an itemizaiton hole ;) |
| 23:40.34 | Ellipsis | she* |
| 23:40.42 | Mudkips | I was questing up near the yetis in alterac mountains so I parked my 70 druid up there |
| 23:40.46 | aestil | also, between the dagger off prince, and the dagger in BT, there are no 1h weapon upgrades for a SP right now. |
| 23:40.47 | RogueShadow | It's awesome when some crap hunter tries to kill you, he's higher lvl than you. And then... you kill him. |
| 23:40.58 | Mudkips | I get killed by a gang of mages and they were sitting on my body drinking |
| 23:40.58 | RogueShadow | He does it 4 more times, each time your in the middle of fights with 3 other mobs. |
| 23:40.59 | buu | aestil: Geeze, learn to use swords. |
| 23:41.00 | shieldb | there are zero items available inbetween the black morass offhand and the one off mother shahraz (7th BT boss) if you don't pick up the arena offhand |
| 23:41.03 | RogueShadow | You still kill him |
| 23:41.03 | Mudkips | I log on my main and well it wasn't pretty |
| 23:41.05 | aestil | i know. |
| 23:41.16 | aestil | sucks ass. i was uisng a staff from BM when a mage got leo's sword |
| 23:41.20 | Ellipsis | buu, my point is that I rolled PvE because I'm a carebear and never ever want to fight another player ever. |
| 23:41.22 | CIA-22 | 03ckknight * r49383 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ (5 files): |
| 23:41.22 | CIA-22 | Threat-1.0 - register with LibStub instead of AceLibrary. |
| 23:41.22 | CIA-22 | - make sure if loaded post-AceEvent_FullyInitialized, to run the methods properly. |
| 23:41.30 | buu | Ellipsis: Yes.. and you certainly don't have to |
| 23:41.38 | shieldb | Ellipsis, once you're 70 on a pvp server it really doesn't matter |
| 23:41.39 | Ellipsis | but if I want to be the best at PvE, I have to get PvP-reward gear |
| 23:41.42 | shieldb | everyone has flying mounts |
| 23:41.58 | buu | Ellipsis: Not even close. |
| 23:42.23 | rob` | the merciless gladiator shield wall is pretty much the best shield you can get pre-BT. :/ |
| 23:42.26 | buu | Well, unless you're some sort of rougery. |
| 23:42.27 | rob` | thats' pretty mandatory. |
| 23:42.27 | RogueShadow | You can't say everybody has a waterbuffalo, they most certainly do not all have a water buffalo! |
| 23:42.34 | RogueShadow | Where's my water buffalpo |
| 23:42.51 | Mudkips | in Thailand |
| 23:43.03 | Ellipsis | and don't get me started on the people who assume that just because I'm a warlock I want to world PvP (or duel, if they're Alliance) |
| 23:43.04 | shieldb | Ellipsis, I don't really think that's too unreasonable, though |
| 23:43.27 | shieldb | shouldn't a player who puts forth good effort in more then one area of the game be better off then a player who only puts forth good effort in one area? |
| 23:43.29 | buu | Ellipsis: What item do you think you have to have from pvp? |
| 23:43.55 | Ellipsis | http://wow-loot.com/gearguide.php?c=7 |
| 23:44.09 | Ellipsis | check the "include PvP rewards" box and look at all the PvP items at the top. |
| 23:44.15 | Mudkips | you're a warlock because you are a sadistic, controlling female in real life? who likes to inflict slow pain and gradually suck the life out of people?? |
| 23:44.22 | Ellipsis | you got it, Mudkips :) |
| 23:44.23 | Industrial | ~seen Fin |
| 23:44.27 | purl | fin <i=PJIRCUse@r5da17.net.upc.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5d 42m 45s ago, saying: 'nope... this sucks the hard one, it's quite good but well, no'. |
| 23:44.27 | Mudkips | kek |
| 23:44.27 | Mudkips | :3 |
| 23:44.32 | Seerah | Indie! |
| 23:44.34 | Industrial | rah |
| 23:44.37 | Industrial | Seerah! |
| 23:45.11 | buu | Ellipsis: This site is incredibly confusing |
| 23:45.18 | sb | ckknight: mh to select some parent tab options (e.g. "party"-options on my 'artwork') do: 1. click again on icons to unselect it or 2. click on party again to unselect icons |
| 23:45.20 | Ellipsis | it's just a gear planner |
| 23:45.23 | buu | Ellipsis: What on earth are you talking about? |
| 23:45.35 | Ellipsis | if you include PvP rewards as a source on the left |
| 23:45.36 | sb | i think thats pretty intuitive? :P what else would you do to get those options |
| 23:45.38 | Ellipsis | and click Updatet |
| 23:45.39 | buu | Ellipsis: The only pve item that's remotely useful is the arena one hand / staff |
| 23:45.44 | ckknight | sb: link your art again |
| 23:45.46 | buu | Ellipsis: pvp as pve |
| 23:45.54 | sb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.16 | buu | Well, perhaps the veteran's cloth bracer. I'm sort of fond of that. |
| 23:46.21 | Ellipsis | PvP items are the top (in the default stat prioritization) on... staves, shoulders, bracers, belts, neck, and back. |
| 23:46.22 | aestil | sylvanaar, are you there? |
| 23:46.39 | sb | and AND... make some small "x" in the top right of the config window (under 'texts') - to close "icons" options and get party options again |
| 23:46.39 | ckknight | no, sb, that's not good enough. One tab should be selected all the time or it just doesn't make sense |
| 23:46.40 | buu | Ellipsis: Er, no. |
| 23:46.46 | sb | its 3 possibilites then to get there |
| 23:46.53 | ckknight | which makes me think that a fake tab on the very left or so would be the best option |
| 23:46.56 | sb | hm why? |
| 23:46.57 | buu | Ellipsis: PVP items have massive amounts of wasted stats in stam, int, res. |
| 23:47.06 | ckknight | sb: because that's how every single tab system works. |
| 23:47.11 | sb | mhh |
| 23:47.13 | sb | okay :o |
| 23:47.17 | *** join/#wowace kenlyric (n=kenlyric@c-68-54-218-192.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 23:47.20 | sb | fake tab is okay |
| 23:47.22 | buu | Ellipsis: This site is just weird though. It lists the best item in legs as "Grand marshal's dreadweave leggings" |
| 23:47.27 | Ellipsis | buu: as a warlock, stam + int are hot |
| 23:47.34 | buu | Ellipsis: Not in pve. |
| 23:47.38 | shieldb | +damage is where it's at! |
| 23:47.51 | buu | Ellipsis: The only thing the dreadweave leggins have is 39 spell damage! |
| 23:47.56 | Ellipsis | they're not the top of the list in PvE, no, but they're good anyway |
| 23:48.01 | Ellipsis | 39 is a lot of spell damage, actually :/ |
| 23:48.07 | buu | Not .. really.. |
| 23:48.11 | Ellipsis | and they do have a ton of stam |
| 23:48.22 | shieldb | Go go tailoring gear if you're a lock |
| 23:48.23 | buu | Yes, and if you were a warrior that'd be awesome. |
| 23:48.26 | Seerah | hey Industrial: will you ACE this mod plz? :P |
| 23:48.31 | Ellipsis | the stats in order of preference are on the left. reorder those if you don't like the prioritization that's there by default. |
| 23:48.38 | kenlyric | Seerah: you've done it now. |
| 23:48.43 | Seerah | lol |
| 23:48.50 | sb | whats ACE? |
| 23:48.59 | ckknight | Ace Coding Environment |
| 23:48.59 | buu | Hey, firespells are higher than shadowspells? |
| 23:49.01 | ckknight | didn't you know? |
| 23:49.02 | Ellipsis | shieldb, I made my FSW, but still there are some items that don't have a good PvE-only equivalent :P |
| 23:49.08 | shieldb | a chain of hardware supply stores I think |
| 23:49.20 | buu | Ellipsis: FSW. Spellstrike. Girdle of ruination. |
| 23:49.27 | Ellipsis | buu: destro locks prefer fire, and really, there are so few items that are school specific anyway, none of them are on that list |
| 23:49.27 | sb | Adaptive Communication Environment |
| 23:49.27 | sb | hm |
| 23:49.39 | buu | Ellipsis: Destro locks really should prefer shadow. |
| 23:49.40 | Ellipsis | buu: spellstrike isn't that great |
| 23:49.42 | *** join/#wowace Garoun|Loupana (n=Garou@c-69-243-45-11.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 23:49.45 | buu | NOT THAT GREAT?! |
| 23:49.48 | buu | IT'S BETTER THAN TIER 5 |
| 23:49.55 | Seerah | It's the first 3 spaces of the Bass clef (or last 3 of Treble) duh! |
| 23:49.56 | Ellipsis | buu, i did the comparison myself |
| 23:50.00 | ckknight | sb: it was originally an acronym made by Turan, ACE Coding Environment, one of those recursive acronyms |
| 23:50.09 | *** join/#wowace MajorPayne_ (n=MajorPay@62.0.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 23:50.20 | buu | Ellipsis: Compared to everything before tier5 instances, it's ridiculous. |
| 23:50.31 | Mudkips | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBbX4vOQUW8 |
| 23:50.32 | Ellipsis | here's my analysis... |
| 23:50.34 | MajorPayne_ | FuBar is not retaining placement of plugins between reloads and zoning |
| 23:50.36 | Mudkips | borderline NSFW |
| 23:50.45 | Ellipsis | comparing spellstrike hood to oblivion |
| 23:50.46 | Ellipsis | cost: 10 spellcloth, 5 primal mights, and nether combine fee |
| 23:50.46 | Ellipsis | stat difference including gems: -3sta, -20int, +1dmg, +16hit, +37crit, -run speed increase |
| 23:50.49 | aestil | ellipsis: if you are a tailor, spellstrike + FSW > 5/5 T5 |
| 23:51.03 | buu | Ellipsis: What the hell did you gem it with? |
| 23:51.07 | Ellipsis | I'm not spending that freaking much on some crit rating I don't want (as affliction) and a little +hit |
| 23:51.08 | shieldb | you're gemming with solid +damage, right? |
| 23:51.12 | Ellipsis | no |
| 23:51.14 | shieldb | why not? |
| 23:51.16 | aestil | fail. |
| 23:51.17 | buu | Fail. |
| 23:51.24 | durcyn | Mudkips: i hate you. |
| 23:51.25 | buu | Well, actually, I gem with sold noble topazes |
| 23:51.27 | Ellipsis | I prefer stam/dmg gems |
| 23:51.28 | buu | Becuase I like raiding. |
| 23:51.31 | aestil | sorry, but Spellstrike + FSW > T5 |
| 23:51.35 | buu | Ellipsis: You don't raid, right? |
| 23:51.36 | ckknight | MajorPayne_: send me your SV for FuBar |
| 23:51.42 | Ellipsis | buu: not yet on my warlock |
| 23:51.47 | MajorPayne_ | pastey? |
| 23:51.50 | buu | Ok, well, do whatever then. |
| 23:51.53 | buu | Doesn't really matter. |
| 23:51.57 | MajorPayne_ | ~purl pastey |
| 23:51.57 | purl | it has been said that pastey is the place we like to have errors, diffs, and any large chunks of text sent. Look at the topic of the channel you're in to see if they have a specific pastey.net they like to use, otherwise, you can use whatever you want -- yournick.pastey.net, flood.pastey.net, or just pastey.net. Go to one of these URLs, insert the text, press the ... |
| 23:52.11 | durcyn | Ellipsis: armory link gogo |
| 23:52.18 | aestil | buu, i just checked, i have 181 hit rating from gear. |
| 23:52.21 | Ellipsis | eh, find it yourself, I'm lazy :P |
| 23:52.24 | Ellipsis | Ellipsis on Cenarius |
| 23:52.35 | buu | aestil: t5+? |
| 23:52.48 | aestil | no. my spell dmg is shit. only 1074 |
| 23:53.02 | buu | aestil: I've only got like, 120 hit from gear =/ |
| 23:53.18 | buu | I have like 15 noble topzes socketed |
| 23:53.29 | aestil | those the +hit/+dmg ones? |
| 23:53.45 | aestil | i have 2. |
| 23:53.51 | buu | Heh |
| 23:54.13 | buu | aestil: Is that your character name? |
| 23:54.13 | aestil | i would give up alot of the +hit for dmg if i could, but i took what I could get, and built my spec around it. |
| 23:54.18 | aestil | yes. |
| 23:54.19 | buu | Obviously not |
| 23:54.29 | durcyn | Ellipsis: eek. buy some veiled noble topaz and glowing nightseye |
| 23:54.32 | aestil | its fun to have 4/5 mental agility. |
| 23:54.46 | Ellipsis | I can only afford green gems right now |
| 23:54.47 | MajorPayne_ | ckknight: http://pastey.net/74159 |
| 23:54.56 | durcyn | Ellipsis: 68 hit rating is absolute murder on affliction dps |
| 23:54.58 | buu | aestil: You're a shadowpriest?! |
| 23:55.07 | Ellipsis | it took me 3 days of questing to earn the money for my flying mount...not the epic one, the regular one. |
| 23:55.08 | buu | durcyn: Heh, it's great when all you do is quest |
| 23:55.09 | aestil | yes. sorry, i am aware you are a lock :) |
| 23:55.20 | aestil | but still, shadow dmg buddies sorta. |
| 23:55.20 | buu | aestil: Shadowpriests have ridiculous talent trees |
| 23:55.24 | MajorPayne_ | I'll set Violation, questsfu, etc. to top bar but it will always move it to the bottom bar, again, after /rl or zoning |
| 23:55.30 | shieldb | Ellipsis, http://shadowpriest.com/viewtopic.php?t=4010 |
| 23:55.34 | aestil | yes, i only need 1/5 in the +hit talents right now. |
| 23:55.35 | buu | aestil: Also, I see you're on darkspear. I must now hate you. |
| 23:55.41 | shieldb | 1245 shadow damage, no raiding required |
| 23:55.44 | aestil | buu, why? |
| 23:56.10 | Ellipsis | shieldb: hey, look, PvP reward items! |
| 23:56.24 | aestil | buu, can we at least like, just have an 'understanding' instead of outright hate? |
| 23:56.26 | shieldb | yep, two |
| 23:56.40 | Ellipsis | and if I'm not mistaken, some heroic stuff in there too |
| 23:56.43 | Mudkips | I got enough gold for 2 epic riding training |
| 23:56.48 | shieldb | yeah, definitely some heroic stuff in there |
| 23:56.50 | Ellipsis | guess what: I can't do heroics yet, and I don't PvP |
| 23:56.53 | buu | aestil: The Church =[ |
| 23:57.13 | aestil | buu, its just the name of the guild? |
| 23:57.22 | aestil | buu, who hurt you? |
| 23:57.26 | buu | aestil: For some reason everyone in the horde hates you. |
| 23:57.33 | Seerah | Ellipsis: I can finally do one heroic! ;) |
| 23:57.35 | Ellipsis | and I can't afford blue gems, let alone spellstrike (which is quite expensive for a tiny gain on legs and a sidegrade on helm) |
| 23:57.37 | aestil | yeah, this is true, but it makes no sense. |
| 23:57.38 | buu | I'm not really sure why. |
| 23:57.42 | Ellipsis | hehe, grats Seerah :P |
| 23:57.44 | aestil | we don't PvP. |
| 23:57.57 | aestil | we raid only 3 nights a week, and we don't camp instances. |
| 23:57.59 | buu | A SIDE GRADE ON HELM? |
| 23:58.02 | aestil | so, i dunno. |
| 23:58.08 | Ellipsis | buu, you saw what I pasted, correct? |
| 23:58.10 | buu | YOU'RE USING THE EVOKER'S HELM OF SECOND SIGHT |
| 23:58.12 | Seerah | I always say that I'm only in the guild I'm in because I'm sleeping with the GM.... >.> |
| 23:58.17 | Ellipsis | I'm going for oblivion. |
| 23:58.24 | buu | Oblivion still sucks |
| 23:58.31 | Ellipsis | Seerah, whatever gets the job done - I live with my ex-GM :P |
| 23:58.47 | aestil | spellstrike ellipsis, please believe me, if you are a tailor, get the 2 piece bonus. |
| 23:58.54 | Ellipsis | buu, you saw what I pasted, correct? << |
| 23:58.58 | Mudkips | hoes |
| 23:59.00 | aestil | and then profit. |
| 23:59.06 | Ellipsis | aestil: what's the set bonus on it? |
| 23:59.09 | PProvost | Hey ckk, I'm still having the same issue as Major Payne |
| 23:59.14 | aestil | 93+ dmg? |
| 23:59.15 | Seerah | you're just jealous, Mudkips :P |
| 23:59.18 | buu | Spellstrike gains you like, 28 hit, 21 damage, 20 crit |
| 23:59.20 | PProvost | On Bar #2 only |
| 23:59.25 | buu | Easy. |
| 23:59.27 | aestil | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=32106 |
| 23:59.28 | Mudkips | you should join my harem |
| 23:59.29 | buu | Just on the hat. |
| 23:59.30 | ckknight | PProvost: what profile do you use? |
| 23:59.34 | PProvost | Default |
| 23:59.35 | ckknight | MajorPayne_: same question |
| 23:59.38 | Seerah | we're both taken |
| 23:59.44 | aestil | 5% chance to proc 92dmg for 10 seconds. |
| 23:59.46 | Mudkips | I'll pay em off |
| 23:59.49 | Ellipsis | haha |
