| 00:00.07 | Antiarc | Try the events, like PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED in the class module core |
| 00:00.12 | Antiarc | See if they get run, etc |
| 00:00.25 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll do that tomorrow |
| 00:00.33 | sag_ich_nicht | have to get to work in 4 1/2 hours |
| 00:00.36 | sag_ich_nicht | and i haven't slept yet. |
| 00:00.44 | Wobwork | hehe, You should put debugging code into BigWigs |
| 00:01.06 | Wobwork | that cunningly places the word BigWigs into the debug statements, but in a way that isn't specifically obvious |
| 00:01.09 | Kemayo | Huh. There's now a FuBar Ace branch, separate from the FuBarAce thing in trunk. |
| 00:01.10 | Stanzilla2 | sag_ich_nicht: no sleep for you, do it now :D |
| 00:01.18 | sag_ich_nicht | no fuck you |
| 00:01.21 | Stanzilla2 | Kemayo: just stupid... |
| 00:01.24 | Stanzilla2 | sag_ich_nicht: <3 |
| 00:01.35 | Wobwork | so that if someone uses DBM and someone activates the debug, it starts spewing out Bigwigs debug messages =P |
| 00:01.54 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 00:02.54 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 00:02.55 | sag_ich_nicht | antiarc |
| 00:03.00 | sag_ich_nicht | in classmodulecore |
| 00:03.00 | sag_ich_nicht | -- self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_ALIVE", "PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED") |
| 00:03.01 | sag_ich_nicht | -- self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_UNGHOST", "PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED") |
| 00:03.05 | sag_ich_nicht | why is that commented out? :X |
| 00:03.26 | Antiarc | They were redundant and caused problems with battle rezzes |
| 00:03.30 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 00:04.18 | sag_ich_nicht | HAH |
| 00:04.24 | sag_ich_nicht | there is already a debug message for it antiarc |
| 00:04.35 | sag_ich_nicht | in function ThreatClassModuleCore.modulePrototype:PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED() |
| 00:04.36 | sag_ich_nicht | there is |
| 00:04.39 | sag_ich_nicht | ThreatLib:Debug("Player exiting combat.") |
| 00:04.46 | sag_ich_nicht | which doesn't show up. |
| 00:05.10 | Antiarc | So put messages in ThreatClassModuleCore.modulePrototype:OnEnable() and ThreatClassModuleCore.modulePrototype:OnDisable() |
| 00:05.20 | Antiarc | See if the module gets enabled/disabled on zoning or whatever |
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| 00:07.51 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50721 10LibRockComm-1.0/LibRockComm-1.0.lua: LibRockComm-1.0 - fix bug with talent unit test. |
| 00:11.11 | sylvanaar | sb it work for you otherwise? |
| 00:11.56 | sb | hmm yes, context menu and stuff - all fine |
| 00:12.21 | CIA-12 | 03ackis * r50722 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua: |
| 00:12.21 | CIA-12 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 00:12.21 | CIA-12 | - Added colouring to chat text output |
| 00:12.40 | sag_ich_nicht | they don't get called, Antiarc. |
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| 00:12.54 | Antiarc | Wait, the onenable/ondisable never get called? |
| 00:13.00 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 00:13.06 | Antiarc | Also, note that reloading your UI sets the debug flag to false |
| 00:13.10 | Antiarc | So you have to re-enable it |
| 00:13.22 | sag_ich_nicht | i have |
| 00:13.27 | Antiarc | By which time the enable/disable may have already happened |
| 00:13.28 | Antiarc | Hrm. |
| 00:13.28 | sag_ich_nicht | but lemme re-reset it. |
| 00:13.33 | Antiarc | See |
| 00:13.41 | Antiarc | You shouldn't see -any- threat changes if the module isn't running |
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| 00:13.56 | sag_ich_nicht | i realize that |
| 00:14.08 | Xinhuan | just change the debug flag to be on at the top of the file |
| 00:14.55 | Xinhuan | "on" as in "true" |
| 00:15.14 | sag_ich_nicht | http://ace.pastey.net/74773 that's the debugging message, that should be correct >.> |
| 00:15.22 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah i will Xinhuan |
| 00:15.25 | sag_ich_nicht | just to make sure |
| 00:17.43 | Cyerie | Does anyone know if Cartographer will be adjusted so that you don't have to click the loot lists individually to display them? |
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| 00:18.22 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 00:18.24 | sag_ich_nicht | doesn't call it |
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| 00:19.09 | sag_ich_nicht | BUT |
| 00:19.17 | sag_ich_nicht | let's see what happens if i reloadui in the instance :X |
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| 00:20.33 | CIA-12 | 03nargiddley 07Alpha * r50723 10Ace3/ (AceGUI-3.0/AceGUI-3.0.lua tests/AceGUITest/test.lua): |
| 00:20.33 | CIA-12 | Ace3 - AceGUI: |
| 00:20.33 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.33 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.33 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.46 | sag_ich_nicht | lol wut? |
| 00:20.56 | sag_ich_nicht | it doesn't seem to call it there either, that can't be right. |
| 00:21.29 | sag_ich_nicht | then it wouldn't be fixed by /reloadui inside of the instance, which it is |
| 00:21.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan please tell me that my debug message is correct. |
| 00:22.18 | Xinhuan | try ThreatLib:Debug() |
| 00:22.30 | Xinhuan | or just use |
| 00:22.38 | Xinhuan | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("abc") |
| 00:22.41 | Xinhuan | plain and simple |
| 00:23.03 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 00:23.04 | sag_ich_nicht | strange |
| 00:23.14 | CIA-12 | 03funkydude * r50724 10BigWigs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): BigWigs: tweaks |
| 00:23.15 | sag_ich_nicht | ThreatLib:Debug() doesn't do it |
| 00:23.19 | Xinhuan | use something that you know works |
| 00:23.21 | Xinhuan | like |
| 00:23.22 | Xinhuan | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("abc") |
| 00:23.27 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 00:23.28 | sag_ich_nicht | that works |
| 00:23.29 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 00:23.38 | Funkeh` | nn folks |
| 00:23.40 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 00:23.42 | Wobwork | night funk |
| 00:23.47 | sag_ich_nicht | you mean as debug message itself, Xinhuan? |
| 00:24.08 | Xinhuan | who cares what the debug message is, you only wanted to know if the function ran right? |
| 00:24.16 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 00:24.17 | Xinhuan | if it printed "abc" in your chatframe, the function ran |
| 00:24.21 | Xinhuan | if it didn't, it didn't run |
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| 00:27.29 | sag_ich_nicht | ThreatClassModuleCore.modulePrototype:OnEnable() called! |
| 00:27.33 | sag_ich_nicht | so far so good |
| 00:28.02 | Speeddymon | ok i have 2 different messages coming from 1 event, and using Deformat, i want to parse them without duplicating code.. |
| 00:28.18 | sag_ich_nicht | zoning don't change those, maybe the other debug message was/is bugged as well |
| 00:28.21 | sag_ich_nicht | (god knows why) |
| 00:28.40 | Speeddymon | the messages are SPELLFAILCASTSELF and SPELLFAILPERFORMSELF both coming from CHAT_MSG_SPELL_FAILED_LOCALPLAYER |
| 00:29.15 | Xinhuan | Speeddymon: and...? |
| 00:29.18 | Speeddymon | can I do it without having to have an if to check which message it is? |
| 00:29.54 | Xinhuan | assume the 2 formats are different, no? |
| 00:30.03 | Speeddymon | yes and no.. |
| 00:30.25 | Nandini | woohoo almost have per-group custom textures working for PitBull_FullBar |
| 00:30.45 | Speeddymon | one is "You fail to cast %s: %s" the other is "You fail to perform %s: %s" |
| 00:31.00 | kaiden^ | anyone know if it's really possible as a stealther class to solo the 2nd and 3rd key pieces of kara key? |
| 00:31.12 | Speeddymon | 3rd, most likely |
| 00:31.20 | Xinhuan | the result is the same isn't it? |
| 00:31.24 | Speeddymon | if you can get past the door with the mobs running in |
| 00:31.50 | Arrowmaster | yes its possible if you can kill the elemental that spawns |
| 00:31.52 | syrae | kaiden^, yes. Though it's difficult. Get a druid and another stealther and it becomes a bit easier |
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| 00:32.02 | Xinhuan | maybe you can Deformat for "You fail to %s %s: %s" ? |
| 00:32.05 | syrae | (group o' two) |
| 00:32.17 | Xinhuan | sounds a bit icky |
| 00:32.22 | kaiden^ | syrae, hehe ok i am a druid that's hwy i asked |
| 00:32.36 | Xinhuan | not sure how deformat works |
| 00:32.41 | Speeddymon | Xinhuan: yes, the result is you not casting a spell, and a message appearing on screen.. But what I need is to take skill, reason = df:Deformat(s, SPELLFAILCASTSELF); and adapt it to also encomapss the SPELLFAILPERFORMSELF without having to use an if.. |
| 00:33.05 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 00:33.20 | syrae | kaiden^, I had a druid and rogue friend combo, and they could only do Steamvaults, but they were unable to get past in Arcatraz (2.1.0), so your mileage may vary. |
| 00:33.21 | Speeddymon | basically, deformat takes the %s and puts it in the first variable, and the 2nd %s into the 2nd var.. |
| 00:33.30 | Speeddymon | unfortunately the %s is controlled by blizzard |
| 00:33.43 | Xinhuan | well i'm not sure how Deformat handles %s |
| 00:33.51 | Xinhuan | does it replace it with a .* ? |
| 00:33.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: onenable is called twice during login, no calls to either onenable/ondisable during zoning, and PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED() is not called. ever. |
| 00:33.59 | Xinhuan | for captures |
| 00:34.01 | Speeddymon | not that I see.. |
| 00:34.02 | Xinhuan | maybe you can Deformat for "You fail to %s %s: %s" ? you'll get 3 return values and |
| 00:34.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't test if it's called after a reloadui |
| 00:34.12 | Xinhuan | the first will tell you if its "perform" or "cast" |
| 00:34.17 | Speeddymon | it doesn't work that way.. |
| 00:34.18 | sag_ich_nicht | because i don't have a group right now to clear the instance a bit |
| 00:34.26 | Xinhuan | then i guess you're out of luck |
| 00:34.30 | Speeddymon | damn |
| 00:34.33 | Xinhuan | perform both Deformats |
| 00:34.33 | Antiarc | Hrm. Okay. |
| 00:34.38 | Antiarc | I'll see if I can replicate it. |
| 00:34.46 | Xinhuan | the syntax may not even be the same in other localizations |
| 00:34.51 | Xinhuan | you're better off performing both |
| 00:35.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: and while you are at it, don't call IsInInstance() on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, IsInInstance() is a laggy whore that sometimes doesn't work properly even after P_E_W |
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| 00:37.06 | CIA-12 | 03ackis * r50725 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua: |
| 00:37.06 | CIA-12 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 00:37.06 | CIA-12 | - All cooking recipes are updated |
| 00:39.34 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 00:39.35 | sag_ich_nicht | wait a moment |
| 00:39.40 | sag_ich_nicht | one more thing i can test Antiarc :X |
| 00:39.55 | sag_ich_nicht | might be a stupid error |
| 00:40.04 | Guillotine | anybody want to see something that *appears* to be a Lua bug? Run this script with the Lua binaries: http://guillotine.pastey.net/74774 |
| 00:40.09 | ccKep | errors are always stupid ^.^ |
| 00:40.15 | Guillotine | you get the same 'random' numbers returned EVERY time |
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| 00:40.21 | Guillotine | though its different for each person |
| 00:41.03 | Nargiddley | sounds like you aren't seeding the rng before doing it |
| 00:41.13 | Ellipsis | http://xkcd.com/221/ |
| 00:41.21 | Ellipsis | I told you, xkcd for every occasion |
| 00:41.30 | Guillotine | Ellipsis: yah, thats already been linked in wowi-lounge :P |
| 00:41.40 | Guillotine | along with http://content5.clipmarks.com/image_cache/xofxof/512/405B2A78-5499-474D-89B9-17F420F175C5.gif |
| 00:42.05 | Ellipsis | another good one |
| 00:42.10 | hyperChipmunk | i'm pretty sure it was I who uttered that particular statement |
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| 00:42.32 | Nargiddley | Guillotine, math.randomseed(os.time()) before it |
| 00:42.49 | Guillotine | ah, I see. you actually have to seed when not running in WoW |
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| 00:43.15 | Xinhuan | o_O you should seed even when running in wow |
| 00:43.33 | Wobwork | hi2u psuedorandom |
| 00:44.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc nope, definitifly doesn't get called |
| 00:45.07 | kaiden^ | ah wow, they broke the ability to disable the fog of war |
| 00:45.22 | Megalon | maphacker! |
| 00:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm command for devtools even display? |
| 00:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | i forget it all the time -_- |
| 00:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | quick |
| 00:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | server shuts down in 15 minutes |
| 00:46.49 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.54 | Guillotine | iirc |
| 00:47.28 | Guillotine | Nargiddley: even with math.randomseed(os.time()), the first random ALWAYS returns the same anyway |
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| 00:48.27 | Guillotine | hmm. is there any way to get more random numbers than this? I'm usually getting the same number 6-7 times in a row :/ |
| 00:49.40 | sag_ich_nicht | /dteventtrace |
| 00:49.44 | sag_ich_nicht | found it already |
| 00:50.01 | sag_ich_nicht | well, PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLE _does_ fire, so that's not the problem Antiarc :P |
| 00:50.59 | sag_ich_nicht | wait what |
| 00:51.28 | sag_ich_nicht | self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED") |
| 00:51.38 | sag_ich_nicht | one line below that: |
| 00:51.38 | sag_ich_nicht | self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_DEAD", "PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED") |
| 00:51.42 | sag_ich_nicht | oO |
| 00:53.05 | Arrowmaster | imho if your going to register more than one event to a function you shouldnt give it the name of an event |
| 00:53.09 | Arrowmaster | makes stuff confusing |
| 00:53.24 | sag_ich_nicht | which is why i said "wait what" |
| 00:54.23 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50726 10PitBull/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:54.23 | CIA-12 | PitBull - PB-95 |
| 00:54.23 | CIA-12 | - add VoiceIcon module. |
| 00:54.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: i only checked for PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED() being called in ThreatClassModuleCore.lua i forgot to add tags to Threat.lua -_- |
| 00:54.32 | sag_ich_nicht | but the server is going down in 6 minutes |
| 00:54.33 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 00:54.35 | sag_ich_nicht | screw it :X |
| 00:54.36 | Speeddymon | is there a way to check if an ability you are trying to cast is actually a spell or if it is an ability (spell being something like frostbolt, ability being something like ghostly strike) |
| 00:54.38 | ckknight | plztest |
| 00:54.39 | ckknight | kthx |
| 00:54.41 | ulic | ckknight: I knew you were going to do that |
| 00:54.54 | ulic | I've been hacking one together for the last bit :) |
| 00:55.08 | ulic | good practice though, first time I've done anything with rock. |
| 00:55.13 | Wobwork | Speeddymon: I don't know if there's really such a distinction |
| 00:55.21 | Wobwork | Isn't technically everything a spell? |
| 00:55.29 | Wobwork | Just some with no cast time |
| 00:55.42 | Speeddymon | not according to the event chat_msg_spellfailed_localplayer.. |
| 00:55.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: stab antiarcs for the names he gives to his event functions plz |
| 00:56.04 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: why? |
| 00:56.05 | Speeddymon | because there is 2 different errors that can come from it.. spellfailcastself, and spellfailperformself |
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| 00:56.21 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: he calls them the same exact thing as the events |
| 00:56.24 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 00:56.32 | Arrowmaster | Speeddymon: do rogues ever get the spellfailcastself one |
| 00:56.34 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: which is what you're supposed to do |
| 00:56.42 | Nandini | yay i got per-group custom textures to work flawlessly for PitBull_FullBar!!! |
| 00:56.47 | Speeddymon | depends on their spec |
| 00:56.53 | ckknight | yay, Nandini |
| 00:56.54 | Nandini | now people can make REALLY ugly unit frames |
| 00:56.58 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: o rly |
| 00:57.19 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: bad coding practice imho when registering more than one event to the function |
| 00:57.28 | Speeddymon | i think shadowstep is counted as a spell, but everything else is considered an ability.. |
| 00:57.36 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: in that case, you should call it something different |
| 00:57.45 | Arrowmaster | which is what we were talking about |
| 00:57.46 | Speeddymon | i think.. |
| 00:57.48 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: well, arrr what Arrowmaster said. |
| 00:58.07 | ulic | ckknight: problem #1, VoiceIcon.toc loads "CombatIcon.lua" :) |
| 00:58.10 | Nandini | ckknight: there still seems to be a problem with the UNIT_FACTION event not making its way through to HealthBar when an NPCs hostility changes |
| 00:58.21 | ckknight | ulic: whoops |
| 00:58.52 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 00:58.54 | sag_ich_nicht | night guys |
| 00:58.57 | sag_ich_nicht | good luck antiarc :X |
| 00:59.10 | Nandini | schlaf gut, sag_ich_nicht |
| 00:59.12 | sag_ich_nicht | oh and |
| 00:59.23 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50727 10PitBull/VoiceIcon/PitBull_VoiceIcon.toc: PitBull_VoiceIcon - fix toc. |
| 00:59.32 | Ellipsis | ~fail ckknight |
| 00:59.33 | purl | ckknight: Fail. |
| 00:59.39 | ckknight | what? |
| 00:59.47 | Ellipsis | copy/paste moar |
| 00:59.47 | ckknight | it's :59 |
| 00:59.51 | Ellipsis | I knowww |
| 00:59.54 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:00.05 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight i am right that IsInInstance() is laggy, right? because last time i remember it it was a laggy whore on login, even after P_E_W, but maybe they fixed it and i didn't hear about it |
| 01:00.13 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 01:00.17 | ckknight | I think it works on PEW |
| 01:00.27 | Arrowmaster | lots of things are laggy on login |
| 01:00.30 | ulic | ckknight: did you fix the Notes/Title in that commit also? |
| 01:00.35 | Arrowmaster | including GetZoneText() |
| 01:00.38 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i think it sometimes works on it, but rarely doesn't |
| 01:00.38 | ckknight | yes, ulic |
| 01:01.03 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 01:01.09 | ulic | ok, I didn't notice those right off, just the .lua file :) |
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| 01:01.21 | Xynas | greets |
| 01:01.42 | ckknight | hey |
| 01:01.42 | ulic | my modules was more highlight based, not icon, so maybe I'll post it as an alternative. |
| 01:01.58 | elusif | crap eu server are down |
| 01:02.04 | Xynas | =D |
| 01:02.05 | elusif | and my rogue just got dual wield |
| 01:02.12 | elusif | bless his little heart |
| 01:02.13 | elusif | :) |
| 01:02.19 | ckknight | ulic: that's fine |
| 01:02.29 | Xynas | ckk i seem to be having a problem with fulocation and i cannot figure out whats wrong |
| 01:02.31 | Nandini | ulic: so many things are contending for highlight. if there's an event fired by PitBull now, perhaps I will add it in as a custom color option for FullBar too :) |
| 01:02.43 | ckknight | Xynas: "a problem" |
| 01:02.45 | ckknight | descriptive. |
| 01:02.53 | Xynas | Message: ..\AddOns\FuBar_LocationFu\LocationFu.lua line 5: Cannot find a library instance of LibBabble-Spell-3.0. <== drawn from swatter |
| 01:02.55 | CIA-12 | 03livid * r50728 10Queeg/ (Queeg.lua Queeg.toc): |
| 01:02.55 | CIA-12 | Queeg: |
| 01:02.55 | CIA-12 | - Fixed a potential bug in handling queued members |
| 01:03.08 | ckknight | Xynas: clearly, that library is missing |
| 01:03.13 | ckknight | Xynas: did you update properly? |
| 01:03.14 | Ellipsis | what does LocFu need Babble-Spell for? o.O |
| 01:03.30 | ulic | Nandini: yea, but I was using white for the default highlight, which isn't used by default for anything else. But optional modules are always good, it's what makes modules addons so great :) |
| 01:03.35 | Xinhuan | you know the "minimap" ping animation? would be interesting if you can use that as a "Voice Chat" thing to indicate someone is talking |
| 01:03.38 | Xynas | I redownloaded your fulocation apck from files.wowaace.com |
| 01:03.42 | ckknight | Ellipsis: that is weird. |
| 01:03.42 | ulic | I haven't tried your bar yet, but I might some day |
| 01:03.46 | Xynas | and even downloading babble spell itself |
| 01:03.51 | ckknight | my guess: the fishing thingy |
| 01:04.05 | Xynas | but cant seem to work.. i have no experience with libraries... is it ok if i stuck them in the addons folder? |
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| 01:04.40 | Nandini | Xinhuan: i think the ping animation is a 3d model, it would require a model frame instead of just a texture frame |
| 01:04.46 | ckknight | Xynas: yea |
| 01:04.46 | sag_ich_nicht | amyway, NIGHT, geez >< need sleep |
| 01:04.52 | Xinhuan | Nandini: that is true |
| 01:05.03 | Xynas | i'll try it agian after this |
| 01:05.11 | Mudkipz | aes |
| 01:05.15 | Mudkipz | arrr |
| 01:06.33 | Ackis | how did i screw up on externals again? :( "ERROR: (svn://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/AckisRecipeList) invalid external svn://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibCrayon-3.0/LibCrayon-3.0.lua" |
| 01:06.35 | ulic | ckknight: might want to make it not an option, or off by default at least for pets :) |
| 01:06.49 | ckknight | ah, you're right. |
| 01:06.55 | Xinhuan | Ackis: externals should be a folder, not a file |
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| 01:06.59 | Nandini | ackis: i think externals have to be set to svn://files.wowace.com/ |
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| 01:07.21 | Nandini | or perhaps that wiki page hasn't been updated |
| 01:07.25 | Wobwork | or svn.wowace |
| 01:07.28 | Wobwork | not dev |
| 01:07.39 | Xinhuan | just remove the /LibCrayon-3.0.lua part |
| 01:07.41 | ulic | ckknight: also is it possible to scale the annimation? |
| 01:07.50 | ckknight | scale how? |
| 01:07.57 | ckknight | I just stole how Blizzard did it |
| 01:08.34 | ulic | make it smaller, like one can for pvp and combat icons |
| 01:08.37 | Nandini | is it a 3d model or a texture-based animation like the LFG eye on the minimap? |
| 01:08.54 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50729 10PitBull/VoiceIcon/ (PitBull_VoiceIcon.toc VoiceIcon.lua): PitBull_VoiceIcon - don't work for pets. |
| 01:09.17 | ulic | also ability to position like other icons might be desired too. |
| 01:09.18 | ckknight | Nandini: texture |
| 01:09.31 | ckknight | ulic: you can position it |
| 01:09.44 | ckknight | ulic: and scale it |
| 01:09.47 | ckknight | dude, look in the damn options |
| 01:09.54 | ulic | oh, I only see Enable check box |
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| 01:10.06 | ulic | at least in the per group area |
| 01:10.17 | Xynas | *hands ckk a cola* |
| 01:10.29 | Xynas | like your work btw =D |
| 01:10.45 | ckknight | I see scale and position |
| 01:10.49 | kadrahil | i just got an Unknown macro option: reset=3 |
| 01:10.52 | kadrahil | any clue why? |
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| 01:11.12 | Xinhuan | paste full macro |
| 01:11.17 | ulic | ckknight: maybe a ninja'd too early |
| 01:11.26 | Xinhuan | "reset" option is only for /castsequence i believe |
| 01:11.35 | kadrahil | #show Steady Shot |
| 01:11.35 | kadrahil | /castsequence [reset=3] Steady Shot, Auto Shot |
| 01:11.45 | kadrahil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.17 | Xinhuan | remove the [] around it i think |
| 01:12.26 | Xinhuan | forgot the syntax for it |
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| 01:12.36 | CIA-12 | 03ackis * r50730 10AckisRecipeList/ (. AckisRecipeList.lua): |
| 01:12.36 | CIA-12 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 01:12.36 | CIA-12 | - Fixed a problem with externals |
| 01:12.40 | kadrahil | ok |
| 01:12.46 | syeren | ckknight :P? |
| 01:12.49 | ulic | ckknight: maybe you commited the wrong one, looking at 50729 on fish I only see options for enable |
| 01:13.01 | ckknight | others are added by MetaLayout |
| 01:13.11 | ckknight | did you update that, ulic? |
| 01:13.17 | ulic | oh, ok, no : |
| 01:13.19 | ulic | P |
| 01:13.24 | ckknight | bad. |
| 01:13.27 | ulic | that's what I get for stealing from fish :) |
| 01:13.29 | ckknight | stop sucking so hard |
| 01:14.21 | Ellipsis | can I keep sucking? |
| 01:14.33 | ckknight | no |
| 01:14.35 | ckknight | keep going, baby |
| 01:14.43 | Ellipsis | ok |
| 01:14.46 | Xynas | lol |
| 01:14.51 | ckknight | I'll try not to get it in your eye this time |
| 01:14.58 | Ellipsis | thanks, I apprecate it |
| 01:15.06 | Nandini | gentle sucking is nice, hard sucking can be painful |
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| 01:15.25 | Ellipsis | it's ok, ckknight likes it rough |
| 01:16.17 | Ackis | so is that eternal error the reason why the mod wouldn't be showing up on files.wowace.com and WAU? |
| 01:16.21 | Ackis | *external |
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| 01:17.23 | aestil | OMG I BUY http://www.greenplastic.com/news/archives/2007/09/radiohead-annou-1.php |
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| 01:18.07 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 01:18.10 | Ellipsis | want! |
| 01:19.25 | dylanm | Bought already :p |
| 01:20.39 | Xynas | ckk i finally got it to work by deleting the previous folders.. sorry for wasting your time |
| 01:20.53 | ckknight | k |
| 01:21.16 | Xynas | thanx again for the mods... i love them =D |
| 01:21.39 | Xynas | peace out |
| 01:21.40 | CIA-12 | 03nandini * r50731 10PitBull_FullBar/FullBar.lua: |
| 01:21.40 | CIA-12 | PitBull_FullBar: |
| 01:21.40 | CIA-12 | - Added options for custom FullBar texture by group |
| 01:22.22 | aestil | yeah, am buying. that box set has an added value thats worth the purchase imo. |
| 01:22.32 | syeren | aestil, I bought it. |
| 01:22.36 | aestil | seen radiohead live twice. |
| 01:22.36 | syeren | My confirmation page was bugged. |
| 01:22.41 | syeren | And they didn't get back to me. |
| 01:22.44 | aestil | once in new york, and once in LA. |
| 01:22.44 | syeren | It's fucking awesome -_- |
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| 01:29.47 | smoke_ | did anyone else get their stuff reposiitoned? |
| 01:30.46 | Nandini | i think the underlying UI scale changed again in this patch, blizz "mistakenly" set it to 0.9 in patch 2.2.0 |
| 01:31.47 | Ackis | If someone with access/knowledge has a minute, could you take a look at why AckisRecipeList isn't showing up on files.wowace.com or the WAU? :) |
| 01:31.54 | Recluse | can you put color codes into the text of tablet? like tablet:AddLine('text', "|cFF00FF00Some string|r"...) - i know you can set the line text in the add category, but if you need to change in the middle of a line, can you do it like this or is there another way? |
| 01:32.15 | elusif | ffs |
| 01:32.23 | elusif | whenever they release a patch |
| 01:32.27 | elusif | i have to reinstall wow |
| 01:32.28 | Drool | recluse: i'm pretty sure you can yes |
| 01:32.41 | Recluse | k |
| 01:32.43 | elusif | when it tells me i need to restart i get 'failed to apply patch' |
| 01:32.44 | Nandini | Ackis: be patient, it will show up eventually |
| 01:33.17 | Ackis | Nandini: it was on there an hour ago, and disappeared for no reason, whichi s why I'm kinda worried |
| 01:34.11 | smoke_ | is there a mod that alerts me if someone speaks in a certain channel? |
| 01:34.16 | smoke_ | i tried using textspy but its not that good |
| 01:34.25 | Nandini | Ackis: it's showing up in my WAU list as having been updated < 10 mins ago |
| 01:34.27 | smoke_ | seems like it doenst work in private channels, only in say/general/trade and stuff like that |
| 01:34.48 | Recluse | hmm |
| 01:34.48 | kadrahil | is there an ace version of advance tradeskill window? |
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| 01:35.26 | Ackis | that's really weird, it disappeared and now it's back (couple people posted about it on my thread)... ok whew |
| 01:35.59 | Recluse | i'll have to look into the private channel thing, but textspy's not for "some channel got a message" really. i think there are some other addons that do noises for specific channel activity though |
| 01:36.02 | Nandini | kadrahil: there are several Ace2-based tradeskill addons, none is an exact replica of ATSW |
| 01:36.26 | kadrahil | Nandini: ok, i'll just stick to atsw then :) |
| 01:36.43 | Nandini | kadrahil: good idea, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! :) |
| 01:36.56 | sylvanaar | smoke_ prat there aer several modules in it that you can use |
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| 01:39.32 | Wobwork | kadrahil: I find ReverseEngineering enough for most of my tradeskill needs |
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| 01:40.00 | Seerah | Ace2 version of ATSW = Skillet |
| 01:40.28 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7571-Skillet.html |
| 01:40.39 | Seerah | what would y'all do without me? ;) |
| 01:40.57 | Ellipsis | good question |
| 01:41.13 | Ellipsis | ^-^ |
| 01:41.54 | ckknight | no, don't allow the women to mingle |
| 01:41.57 | ckknight | they'll team up on us |
| 01:42.05 | Ellipsis | bwahaha |
| 01:42.17 | Ellipsis | you said I was allowed to be evil now |
| 01:42.22 | Seerah | I was thinking we need to get moonwitch and Phanx on here... |
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| 01:42.36 | ckknight | Ellipsis: evil within limits |
| 01:42.37 | Ellipsis | MoonWitch is on, just in a different time zone |
| 01:42.45 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:42.55 | Ellipsis | yeah, she comes in when normal people are asleep |
| 01:43.00 | Ellipsis | fortunately I'm not normal! |
| 01:43.05 | Seerah | ~seen Phanx |
| 01:43.07 | purl | phanx <n=phanx133@71-210-80-180.blng.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 43d 22m 58s ago, saying: 'Okay, I think I got it this time. :S'. |
| 01:43.49 | aestil | ckknight: can the transparency option for fubar be on the individual bars, instead of a global setting? |
| 01:43.56 | ckknight | no |
| 01:44.06 | Ellipsis | make an eePanel for the background aestil :P |
| 01:44.17 | aestil | oh i have one. |
| 01:44.20 | aestil | you know me. |
| 01:44.28 | kadrahil | screenshot or it didn't happen! |
| 01:44.31 | aestil | i have a macro to force call my function. |
| 01:44.34 | kadrahil | (do you see what i did thar?) |
| 01:44.36 | Seerah | I've wanted that feature before, too, but now I have eepanels |
| 01:44.56 | aestil | just in case my GridLayoutFrame goes crazy. |
| 01:44.59 | Seerah | *use |
| 01:45.28 | aestil | seerah is skillet good? i used to like ATSW |
| 01:45.42 | Seerah | it's even got a couple extra things that ATSW didn't have |
| 01:45.49 | aestil | nymbia: is there a reason that I can not adjust the size of cast bars in less than 5 pixel increments in quartz? |
| 01:45.52 | Seerah | you can add custom notes for recipes and stuff |
| 01:46.12 | aestil | nymbia: a limitation from the game that can't be overcome? |
| 01:46.18 | aestil | Seerah: ima check it out. |
| 01:46.41 | Ellipsis | aestil, it's probably just set that way for convenience |
| 01:46.59 | Nandini | aestil: just change the step in the options in the Lua file, that's what i always go back and do |
| 01:47.00 | nymbia | aestil: that's probably just what the step is set at |
| 01:47.02 | Ellipsis | mouse wheel scrolling would be incredibly slow to change sizes otherwise |
| 01:47.23 | Seerah | agree |
| 01:47.45 | kadrahil | http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5605/fullresjv9.jpg <- wow |
| 01:47.53 | Ellipsis | and most people who aren't crazy like us don't care about getting it to the individual pixel |
| 01:48.15 | Nandini | i'm crazy like us. i just like it to match the width of my unitframes |
| 01:48.23 | Wobwork | hm |
| 01:48.26 | Seerah | you crazies... >.> |
| 01:48.32 | kadrahil | you crazies need to post screenshots |
| 01:48.34 | kadrahil | i need idaes |
| 01:48.38 | Wobwork | there should be a 'match width' or match height option |
| 01:48.38 | Nandini | and my unit frames MUST be 162 screen units wide :) |
| 01:48.47 | aestil | nymbia: could it default to 1 on the step? |
| 01:48.48 | Seerah | isn't that UI nice, kadrahil? :) |
| 01:48.51 | Wobwork | you click on it and then you click on a frame |
| 01:48.54 | Wobwork | and it'd match the size |
| 01:49.01 | kadrahil | Seerah: pretty nice, but a little too heavy on the artwork for me |
| 01:49.20 | Seerah | yeah, it's not my taste, but I do like it |
| 01:49.45 | Seerah | I think the art may be on WoWI... |
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| 01:57.59 | kadrahil | is it me, or does skinner use a lot of ram? |
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| 01:58.30 | Seerah | ? |
| 01:59.34 | kadrahil | actually i should've just looked in performance fu |
| 01:59.39 | kadrahil | sec |
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| 02:05.38 | aestil | Ellipsis: who uses mouse scrolling wheel to ochange sizes? i want exact pixel stuff. |
| 02:06.03 | aestil | can't the scroll set up be one thing, and if you enter an exact value, it accepts that as well? |
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| 02:06.35 | Nandini | if there is a step specified for the option, the value entered in the textbox gets rounded to that |
| 02:06.49 | Nandini | (also gets limited to minimum and maximum, if specified) |
| 02:07.48 | Nandini | there are good reasons for the options system to work that way, if you don't like the step, just change it, or request that it be changed |
| 02:08.29 | Nandini | but now that i think about it, isn't there also a BigStep property that can control the scroll wheel increments or something like that? |
| 02:11.04 | Paradox | I wish more people would use arrows D: |
| 02:11.17 | Paradox | 1 click is 1 pixel in that direction |
| 02:11.43 | Paradox | easy to move things around like that, much easier than having to type in the coordinates I think anyway |
| 02:12.32 | kadrahil | where would i post a bugreport for simple Minimap? general addons? |
| 02:12.36 | kadrahil | on the forums |
| 02:12.50 | Ellipsis | there is a simpleMinimap thread in General Addons, yes |
| 02:13.08 | kadrahil | just found it, thanks |
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| 02:18.18 | TiGGaH | hiyas |
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| 02:18.48 | TiGGaH | any Grid users awake, i have a question |
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| 02:19.58 | aestil | ~ask to ask |
| 02:20.00 | purl | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
| 02:20.12 | TiGGaH | ah ok :) |
| 02:20.24 | elusif | at what level can you de blues? |
| 02:20.33 | aestil | although, to answer that question, yes, i am a grid user. |
| 02:20.47 | TiGGaH | wondering if there's a way to decrease the refresh rate on unit bar in Grid? |
| 02:20.59 | TiGGaH | feels like i'm lagging behind with heals atm |
| 02:21.02 | duaiwe | elusif: I believe item quality is irrelevant, and that it's ilvl that matters |
| 02:21.06 | duaiwe | dammit. |
| 02:21.23 | TiGGaH | at least range check is not as fast as it should |
| 02:21.54 | TiGGaH | increase rate ofc |
| 02:22.02 | aestil | I am not aware of how to do that TiGGaH . |
| 02:23.27 | Nandini | TiGGaH: is it possible you have actual lag and it's not just an issue of Grid being slow on the draw? |
| 02:23.46 | Nandini | for example, enable the default Blizzard target or focus frame and see if it updates faster than Grid |
| 02:23.48 | TiGGaH | ping is somewhere between 100 and 150 |
| 02:24.31 | TiGGaH | i'm not 100% sure about the HP bar update, but range check is behind (i'm in range, but grid shows it 0.5-1 sec later) |
| 02:25.29 | Nandini | the range check is probably purposefully delayed, since it's expensive (and not event-driven) to update ranges |
| 02:25.37 | TiGGaH | ok |
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| 02:26.48 | Nandini | even on the default blizzard action buttons, the out of range color takes a little while to update for me when i get in-range |
| 02:27.16 | TiGGaH | i've felt aguf is pretty accurate |
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| 02:27.52 | TiGGaH | think i'll have to do more experimenting on the issue |
| 02:27.55 | Nandini | it may check more frequently, if you have a fast computer and fast connection, you can probably handle that frequency. maybe Grid is just being more conservative |
| 02:28.15 | TiGGaH | healing business is pretty delicate :) |
| 02:28.56 | Nandini | when i'm healing, i always try to make sure i'm in range (and will stay in range) before the action starts :) |
| 02:29.31 | TiGGaH | sure, that's not usually major issue. sometimes fights are mobile tho |
| 02:29.32 | Nandini | that's harder to do in fights where you're required to move around a lot though, and also in pvp |
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| 02:29.41 | TiGGaH | ye mostly pvp |
| 02:30.00 | Nandini | in those cases i usually just spam till i see a spell go off :) |
| 02:30.08 | Corey | are you alliance? |
| 02:30.28 | Nandini | all my characters are horde |
| 02:30.44 | Nandini | were you going to say alliance never heals each other in pvp? :P |
| 02:30.51 | Corey | no |
| 02:31.00 | TiGGaH | thing is i use clique with grid, so that's the main observation point mostly |
| 02:31.02 | Corey | i was gonna say dont bother they dont win even if they do |
| 02:31.31 | Corey | at least in my battlegroup |
| 02:31.40 | TiGGaH | regarding pvp and av... really nice reading: |
| 02:31.44 | TiGGaH | "AV has gone through greater swings, with alliance winning as much as 75 to 80% of battles (NA servers again as an example) before patch 2.2 and horde winning about 60% so far after 2.2. That being said, there are a bunch of substantive AV changes going into patch 2.3 that will probably shake things up some more (more details on that sometime this week)." |
| 02:31.53 | TiGGaH | finally blizzard admits it |
| 02:32.03 | TiGGaH | i'm horde also |
| 02:32.18 | Corey | I'm alliance |
| 02:32.21 | Corey | it makes me emo |
| 02:32.34 | Nandini | we have a ton more horde players than allies in my battlegroup, so we were usually stuck with a bigger percentage of afk'ers pre-patch |
| 02:32.53 | TiGGaH | post-patch didn't really change anything |
| 02:32.57 | TiGGaH | useless change |
| 02:32.59 | Nandini | having fewer people afk evened out the fight for us a little on my battlegroup |
| 02:33.25 | Nandini | there are times i could count 35 allies in the room with drek and only 15 horde in the room with van |
| 02:33.31 | Wobwork | oddly enough, I've lost more AV's as ally since the patch than before |
| 02:33.38 | buu | Well, duh. |
| 02:33.49 | Nandini | now it's much more even |
| 02:33.59 | TiGGaH | i think stats are about 50-50 for me |
| 02:34.07 | CIA-12 | 03speeddymon * r50732 10CooldownTimers2/Core.lua: |
| 02:34.07 | CIA-12 | CooldownTimers2: |
| 02:34.07 | CIA-12 | - SPELLFAILCASTSELF ~= SPELLFAILPERFORMSELF |
| 02:34.07 | CIA-12 | - Fix the bars so they pulse for non-castable abilities (most rogue abilities) |
| 02:34.07 | CIA-12 | - Hopefully should fix the pulse issue with Blink as well |
| 02:34.26 | Wobwork | For some reason, there are either never any tanks, or never any healers at drek |
| 02:34.34 | Wobwork | Maybe I've been lucky =P |
| 02:35.38 | TiGGaH | i think healing is much better now than pre-tbc |
| 02:36.01 | TiGGaH | tanks are hard to find, or even warriors who aren't lazy enough to wear board and sword |
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| 02:36.14 | TiGGaH | gung-ho 2 hander... sure |
| 02:36.34 | Nandini | i usually tank, i'm a feral druid, but i will pop out and heal if there are others who want to tank |
| 02:36.48 | TiGGaH | ferals are ideal for that |
| 02:36.58 | Corey | you dont get half the druids in the game wanting to tank? |
| 02:37.03 | Nandini | i can heal a warrior better than he can heal me :) although i have been bandaged before in AV, i thought that was cute |
| 02:37.14 | TiGGaH | aww |
| 02:37.15 | Corey | thats all i see when somebody asks whos tank |
| 02:37.20 | Corey | no warriors just druids |
| 02:37.35 | TiGGaH | warriors are sick of tanking i guess |
| 02:37.46 | Corey | yea it must suck doing their job |
| 02:37.47 | Wobwork | feh |
| 02:37.55 | Wobwork | that's like saying all priests are sick of healing |
| 02:37.57 | Wobwork | oh wait... |
| 02:38.02 | nymbia | not like more than half of warriors have tanked anything more than a 5 man |
| 02:38.06 | Nandini | warriors with full out prot builds have very slow going outside of group play |
| 02:38.08 | TiGGaH | shadowpriests |
| 02:38.10 | Corey | pff who brings priest healers anymore :P jk |
| 02:38.31 | Wobwork | yeah, that's whats prevented me from rolling a prot warrior |
| 02:38.39 | Nandini | probably even harder than a resto druid or even a holy priest trying to quest or level up |
| 02:38.53 | Megalon | i like av the most with defspec |
| 02:38.53 | Corey | i leveled all the way as restor |
| 02:38.54 | Wobwork | but still better than a prot pally =) |
| 02:39.02 | Corey | just more instances than quests |
| 02:39.03 | Wobwork | early on at least |
| 02:39.17 | Megalon | no instant deaths |
| 02:39.25 | Megalon | and shield slams for 2.7k on clothies |
| 02:39.26 | Megalon | are nice |
| 02:40.03 | TiGGaH | that requires lots of BV |
| 02:40.56 | Nandini | well i think i am finally done with the addon my friend requested. i'm not sure what to do next. |
| 02:40.59 | Wobwork | I still like that story of the warrior who thought the red bar below his health was his 'aggro meter' |
| 02:41.02 | Speeddymon | ok is there an easy way to unhook a frame's script that was hooked with HookScript()? |
| 02:41.11 | Wobwork | Speeddymon: set the script to null |
| 02:41.15 | Wobwork | er nil |
| 02:41.19 | TiGGaH | what's the addon, nan |
| 02:41.20 | Speeddymon | ahh |
| 02:41.50 | Speeddymon | so :HookScript(Minimap, nil) ? |
| 02:41.51 | Nandini | it's a module for PitBull that adds a "full bar" you can put a custom texture on, and you can color it the same way you color health bars |
| 02:42.12 | Wobwork | Speeddymon: aye |
| 02:42.15 | Nandini | i use it to put the name and class texts in, and color it by class so i can have health bars in their gradient colors |
| 02:42.57 | Nandini | i put a screenshot in its forum post now http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8994.0 |
| 02:43.10 | TiGGaH | isn't that default in pitbull? |
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| 02:43.16 | TiGGaH | maybe understood wrong |
| 02:43.24 | Nandini | this is a bar that doesn't go up and down like the health bar, it's always full |
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| 02:43.38 | Megalon | TiGGaH: 900 blocked dmg, but just av funequip ;D |
| 02:43.39 | Nandini | like the "blank space" only not blank :) |
| 02:43.47 | TiGGaH | o right... class/name is in HP |
| 02:43.56 | TiGGaH | usually |
| 02:44.45 | TiGGaH | nice stuff, takes a bit too much space for my taste :) |
| 02:45.07 | Nandini | yeah the screenshot is just the default settings, i usually use 3 narrow bars |
| 02:45.33 | Nandini | except for raid frames |
| 02:45.37 | Speeddymon | Wobwork: one more question. is it possible to check if a frame's script is hooked, and if so, how? |
| 02:45.52 | Nandini | it seems to suit my friend's needs tho, and i'm starting to like it now too |
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| 02:46.49 | Wobwork | Speeddymon: You can query the script can't you? |
| 02:50.42 | Speeddymon | not sure how to do that.. |
| 02:50.52 | Nandini | btw, if anyone has a QuadCore (or dual DualCore, or DualCore+HT) processors, you can change the cores on which WoW will schedule threads with a CVAR in config.wtf |
| 02:51.04 | Nandini | by default it will only schedule threads on the first two cores it finds |
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| 02:51.38 | PenguinECE | Is pitbull a reasonable alternative to perl classic unit frames? and does pitbull offer raid unit frames? or would bunchobars be better? |
| 02:51.41 | TiGGaH | hmh, have too look into that |
| 02:52.20 | Nandini | PenguinECE: pitbull is ridiculously customizable and it has raid unitframes (including MT/MA frames if you enable them) |
| 02:52.34 | PenguinECE | sweet. |
| 02:52.36 | PenguinECE | thanks |
| 02:52.49 | TiGGaH | what's the cvar called then? |
| 02:52.57 | Nandini | you may find it TOO customizable for your needs tho, it can take forever to get set up just how you want it, especially the first time |
| 02:53.28 | aestil | wtf is up with xloot? |
| 02:53.32 | aestil | pissing me off!!!!! |
| 02:53.33 | Nandini | the CVAR is processAffinityMask and it's a decimal number composed of binary flags |
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| 02:53.45 | aestil | you can tell i'm mad, cause i used more than one exclamation point. |
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| 02:53.54 | Nandini | the default is "3" which is core 1 and core 2 |
| 02:54.07 | Nandini | it only shows up in config.wtf if you have more than 2 cores |
| 02:54.34 | TiGGaH | ye, i've SET coresDetected "2" |
| 02:54.51 | TiGGaH | but would like to put dual core i use |
| 02:55.03 | TiGGaH | in |
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| 02:58.04 | JoshBorke | hate @ void reaver |
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| 03:01.09 | LetheKai|PS | Hey, what would you say the Warlock's most oft-used DoT is? |
| 03:01.46 | TiGGaH | corruption |
| 03:04.52 | LetheKai|PS | Good, cuz that's almost the only one I'm using on my newbie, hehe. |
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| 03:17.53 | futurekill | aestil: you mean the giant, mostly empty frame when you loot something? |
| 03:18.33 | liquidzoo | weird...when Cowtip is active, Minimap ButtonBag errors out... |
| 03:21.09 | liquidzoo | unfortunately, there are very few addons out there that do what MBB does... |
| 03:21.25 | Kerafyrm | anyone in here familiar with gladiator, know how to move the bloody window out of the top left corner, cuz its not responding to trying to move it |
| 03:21.33 | hyperChipmunk | alt-drag |
| 03:21.44 | Kerafyrm | thanks! |
| 03:33.43 | aestil | futurekill: yes, i mean that. |
| 03:33.55 | PenguinECE | Hmmm I was thinking flexbar would get rid of the default bag/bar/etc ui with the gryphons... hwo would I go about that? |
| 03:34.32 | futurekill | aestil: yeah, it's annoying me too...at least it still works though...thought it had to do with skinner for a bit but still happens after I disable skinner |
| 03:36.45 | Nandini | flexbar is still under heavy development i think PenguinECE |
| 03:37.17 | PenguinECE | hmmm |
| 03:37.24 | aestil | vhaarr: you dev on BW? |
| 03:37.25 | Nandini | i think it's meant to supplement, rather than replace, your usual action bars |
| 03:37.33 | PenguinECE | semi-weak. |
| 03:38.04 | CIA-12 | 03krakhaan * r50733 10AMP/ (AMP.lua AMP.toc localization.lua readme.txt): |
| 03:38.04 | CIA-12 | AMP: |
| 03:38.04 | CIA-12 | - Updated TOC for WoW 2.2 |
| 03:38.04 | CIA-12 | - Added new AH message |
| 03:38.04 | CIA-12 | - Updated variable behaviour !sz! returns GetMinimapZoneText() |
| 03:38.13 | Nandini | if you're looking to replace the blizzard action bars, Bartender3 is pretty popular |
| 03:38.32 | PenguinECE | I'm actually looking to replace bartender3; I'm tired of it:) But I suppose it'll have to do |
| 03:38.59 | Nandini | what part of it are you tired of? |
| 03:39.36 | CIA-12 | 03krakhaan * r50734 10CraftBot/ (CraftBot.lua CraftBot.xml Localization.lua): |
| 03:39.36 | CIA-12 | CraftBot: |
| 03:39.36 | CIA-12 | - Updated TOC for 2.2 |
| 03:39.59 | PenguinECE | Well the part of flexbar that I liked was it looked like it would handle geometry of groups of buttons better... I tend to have 3 5 button bars stacked, and I wish they could link together |
| 03:40.42 | PenguinECE | The 12 button per bar configuration is I guess what gets me |
| 03:41.02 | Nandini | you can change the 12 buttons, there's an option for fewer, it can be configured per-bar in BT3 :) |
| 03:41.23 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.24 | Nandini | i have one bar with 5, two with 10, and one with 8 buttons, for example |
| 03:42.19 | PenguinECE | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.27 | theoddone33 | new graveyard in southern barrens! |
| 03:42.29 | theoddone33 | i'm psyched |
| 03:42.34 | PenguinECE | ideally I would have one of 15 in three rows (5 columns). |
| 03:42.34 | theoddone33 | this means good things for my alts |
| 03:42.40 | PenguinECE | haha |
| 03:42.44 | Seerah | two new ones in Un'Goro! |
| 03:44.09 | ZealotOnAStick | Bongos can also do bars of less than 12. |
| 03:44.19 | PenguinECE | its more than 12 that I need |
| 03:44.23 | Nandini | PenguinECE: you can always do one bar of 5 in one row, and one bar of 10 in two rows |
| 03:44.24 | PenguinECE | but what is this /cogsbar? |
| 03:44.55 | PenguinECE | Nandini: yes, I've been through the ways I can almost do what I want. I'm just looking for one that will do exactly what I want |
| 03:45.44 | Nandini | how is 5+10 different from 15? what difference will it make while playing? |
| 03:46.00 | PenguinECE | The real question is how is 5+10 differnt from 5+5+5. |
| 03:46.19 | PenguinECE | It doesn't make one while playing, I just like the idea because thats how I think of the set of bars |
| 03:46.41 | Nandini | you can tell BT3 to put the 10 button bar in two rows and the 5 button bar in one row |
| 03:46.54 | PenguinECE | I understand. |
| 03:46.55 | Nandini | and they will snap together when you drag them |
| 03:46.58 | PenguinECE | It's cool |
| 03:47.01 | PenguinECE | I'm stickin' with bt3 |
| 03:47.04 | PenguinECE | thanks |
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| 03:47.20 | CIA-12 | NiHao: |
| 03:47.20 | CIA-12 | - Fix for custom price format errors |
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| 03:51.34 | futurekill | anyone else having problems with player icons on the battlefield minimap with capping not staying the color they're supposed to be? |
| 03:52.23 | Nandini | the same issue was reported for cartographer i think |
| 03:53.27 | futurekill | kk...just checking...I get funny colors on my minimap also...not sure if simpleminimap is doing that |
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| 04:02.23 | kandarz | err, wowace |
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| 04:03.02 | Kaelten | I cleared them up this morning, got some midday though |
| 04:04.11 | kandarz | hmm, did you get mine? maybe gmail filtered it as spam |
| 04:05.04 | Kaelten | I have 4 in my inox atm |
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| 04:23.12 | LetheKai|PS | Ooohhh my gooood I just wasted like 5 hours of my life because I didn't realize Pitbull and a few of my other mods were server/account specific instead of character-specific. |
| 04:23.44 | TNSe | you made a lvl 1 char on random server ste up pitbull and? |
| 04:24.04 | LetheKai|PS | Undid like 2.5 hours of customization for 1 char with ~2.5 hours of customization on another. And now some of the bars are turning white and glitching. Bad me. |
| 04:24.47 | LetheKai|PS | I thought it would save a profile for each character, because... well there's a profile thingy. |
| 04:29.00 | LetheKai|PS | Alright, for some reason the Player and Target bars glitched and reset completely from what they've been set on since 2.2 |
| 04:29.38 | LetheKai|PS | And group. |
| 04:30.10 | LetheKai|PS | Nevermind, all of my Pitbull settings have been nuked. Any idea why this would happen? All I did was play on 2 characters. |
| 04:30.21 | TNSe | ask a blizzard gm XD |
| 04:30.48 | TNSe | "please delte your wtf, wdb and interface folders and give us a call in the morning." |
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| 04:40.56 | aestil | I wan RADIOHEAD NEW MUSIC NOW> |
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| 05:17.36 | LetheKai|PS | This Brewfest is hilarious, I like this more than any other WoW event so far. >.< |
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| 05:21.51 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50736 10FlexBar2/Slashcommands.txt: FlexBar2: Update slashcommand reference |
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| 05:45.55 | CIA-12 | AtlasLoot: |
| 05:45.55 | CIA-12 | - fixed issued in MountHyjalTrash entry |
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| 05:59.56 | CIA-12 | 03arith * r50739 10AtlasLoot_RepFactions/rep.tw.lua: |
| 05:59.56 | CIA-12 | AtlasLoot_RepFactions: |
| 05:59.56 | CIA-12 | - translation update |
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| 06:00.28 | CIA-12 | - translation update |
| 06:01.46 | Hjalte | Anyone here using DBMFTLBBQ - Or is there another addon my friend can use to convince his guild that he is running DBM? |
| 06:02.35 | Fisker- | what's FBMFTLBBQ? |
| 06:03.08 | Bibi | lulz Fisker- can't spell DBMFTLBBQ |
| 06:03.09 | Bibi | fail |
| 06:03.13 | Hjalte | Fisker-, it respoinds to DBM version checks. |
| 06:03.31 | Fisker- | Bibi it's called FAT FINGERS LOL |
| 06:03.33 | Fisker- | oh wait |
| 06:03.34 | Fisker- | .( |
| 06:04.42 | Fisker- | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e-oT43IV4mg do want |
| 06:05.27 | Hjalte | vhaar, you having an updated version of DBMFTLBBQ somewhere? :) |
| 06:06.35 | Hjalte | vhaarr* |
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| 06:31.09 | Paradox | any addons that can auto-sell trash grey items etc? |
| 06:31.37 | kadrahil | Paradox: fubar_garbagefu will, as will AutoProfit (from curse.com) |
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| 06:31.46 | Paradox | thanks a bunch |
| 06:33.24 | Hjalte | Paradox, you can also take a look at Automaton |
| 06:36.41 | Paradox | seems like a large package for just the auto-sell |
| 06:37.34 | omega_ | Automaton I think also does it |
| 06:38.33 | Hjalte | Paradox, yeah, but lots of the other stuff it does it useful too :) |
| 06:39.34 | Paradox | any ace addons that auto-stack stackables in your inventory? |
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| 06:39.46 | Paradox | i'm basically just trying to use all ace so it's easier to update everything :/ |
| 06:41.05 | omega_ | Baggins has its cleanup mode, but it does a whole lot more than stacking items in your bags :) |
| 06:42.27 | Diao | mrplow does it |
| 06:42.32 | Diao | and sanity2 as well i think |
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| 06:44.02 | Lukian | oh wow, I use sanity and didn't know that :D |
| 06:44.09 | Paradox | is there a reason why a lot of addons are using multiple directories? |
| 06:44.20 | Lukian | Paradox, load-on-demand. |
| 06:44.27 | Paradox | is there some sort of limit on size for each addon directory or is it just more organized for the dev |
| 06:44.50 | Paradox | oh ok |
| 06:44.56 | kandarz | is there a smaller version of atlas loot that uses PT3? |
| 06:45.21 | Diao | pt3browser |
| 06:45.21 | sag_ich_nicht | ~poke Antiarc |
| 06:45.31 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Antiarc, pokes Antiarc repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 06:45.31 | neenee | Paradox, evl_Scavanger will too |
| 06:45.31 | Diao | but it's not exactly like atlasloot |
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| 06:46.19 | weab | baggins is <3 |
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| 06:55.29 | Ackis | tehehee i keep getting killed on supremus to read up on brewfest |
| 06:55.56 | ramoz | you guys doing supremus now? |
| 06:56.10 | ramoz | nvm :P |
| 06:56.14 | Ackis | yup lol |
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| 07:09.27 | neenee | Hm. No point in using several addons to get the features I want, but not quite all, instead of using Prat. |
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| 07:15.35 | Paradox | I use ChatMOD |
| 07:16.08 | Paradox | I tried Prat but ChatMOD is perfect on default settings where I gotta tinker with prat for hours to get it how I like ;3 |
| 07:16.31 | neenee | =] |
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| 07:17.49 | Crysli | Hey! |
| 07:17.55 | neenee | Hi Crysli |
| 07:18.51 | Crysli | I'm at school 8D |
| 07:18.51 | CIA-12 | 03jerry * r50741 10Talented/ (6 files): Talented: Update to Prat_Talented, thanks Sylvanaar. |
| 07:18.51 | Crysli | Got a substitute teacher who let us sit at le computers. |
| 07:19.09 | Wobwork | you rebel =) |
| 07:19.10 | Hjalte | We have our own laptops at the school i attend :) |
| 07:19.50 | Crysli | Wobwork: Hell yes. Heh - I'm playing Linerider and chatting here. |
| 07:21.15 | neenee | Linerider.. wow. Haven't done that in a while. |
| 07:21.40 | Crysli | The guy next to me is playing too. He's a noob :D |
| 07:21.44 | neenee | :) |
| 07:21.57 | neenee | Finally, a proper copy of Transformers |
| 07:22.37 | mikma | one has been out for week+ already |
| 07:23.37 | neenee | Ah well, I haven't exactly checked a lot :P |
| 07:23.58 | neenee | Plenty of other stuff to do :) |
| 07:24.12 | neenee | Hm. Time to try my X-Fi card again |
| 07:24.28 | orionshock | morning all |
| 07:24.33 | neenee | Hi orionshock |
| 07:27.40 | Crysli | Wednesday is fail |
| 07:28.54 | neenee | I doubt the servers will be down longer than normal, it's a very small patch |
| 07:29.35 | Crysli | neenee: Yeah, you're right. Heh, it's probably alright. I've got a History assignment due for tomorrow. |
| 07:29.43 | neenee | =] |
| 07:29.56 | neenee | A good reason for server-delays then |
| 07:30.10 | neenee | bbs. putting in another harddisk |
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| 07:33.44 | CIA-12 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r561 10/trunk/TourGuide/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:33.44 | CIA-12 | tekkub-wow: TourGuide |
| 07:33.44 | CIA-12 | tekkub-wow: - More ally guide data! |
| 07:33.44 | CIA-12 | tekkub-wow: - Possible fix for loot conditional not always working (thanks again to Blizzard's consistent text feedback) |
| 07:33.44 | CIA-12 | tekkub-wow: - Carto was setting with note, it should have been using objective name |
| 07:35.45 | Crysli | Hehehe. My Linerider track is awesome. |
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| 07:40.25 | Punkie` | heya |
| 07:40.47 | Crysli | Hey Punkie |
| 07:41.51 | Punkie` | t'was awesome last night :o |
| 07:41.58 | Punkie` | killed the 3rd boss in MH |
| 07:42.03 | Punkie` | on the first pull :D |
| 07:42.18 | Punkie` | then we went to undercity killed the leader, then silvermoon city |
| 07:42.20 | Punkie` | awesome |
| 07:43.59 | Crysli | D: |
| 07:44.08 | Crysli | Punkie, you make me feel bad |
| 07:44.13 | Punkie` | why :o |
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| 07:45.44 | Fisker- | PUNKIE |
| 07:45.46 | Fisker- | ITS ME |
| 07:45.50 | orionshock | omg... they enabled voice chat on my server |
| 07:46.27 | Punkie` | yo fiskerino :o |
| 07:46.55 | Fisker- | oh hi |
| 07:46.58 | [Ammo] | morning girls |
| 07:47.19 | Crysli | Punkie: Because it' 9:46 am over here and noone's supposed to feel good that early. |
| 07:48.38 | Punkie` | it's 8.47am here! |
| 07:48.49 | [Ammo] | island dweller |
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| 07:50.24 | Punkie` | [Ammo]: you're on the same land as the french |
| 07:50.26 | Punkie` | so owned |
| 07:50.51 | [Ammo] | there's at least one river between them and me |
| 07:51.06 | Punkie` | what's that? I can't hear you with all those ribbets going on |
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| 07:52.39 | Crysli | I haz Germany between me and the French. |
| 07:52.58 | buu | Crysli: That hasn't worked so well in the past. |
| 07:53.47 | Crysli | buu: Who cares, if the French decide to invade us, they'll be assaulted by people with bear and sausages |
| 07:55.46 | Crysli | bear = beer |
| 07:55.53 | Crysli | but also bears *wink* |
| 07:56.08 | Punkie` | are you a bear? |
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| 07:57.13 | Crysli | Punkie: No. Do I need to fetch that YouTube link again? |
| 07:57.32 | Punkie` | you have it bookmarked because it turns you on :o |
| 07:57.34 | Punkie` | awesome |
| 07:58.26 | Crysli | I do have it bookmarked, actually. |
| 07:58.44 | Crysli | But that's because I copy/paste it to everyone on MSN |
| 07:59.05 | neenee | I probably shouldn't ask this.. but what link? |
| 07:59.22 | orionshock | wow... some people are ass'es, kiting mobs to me while doing the escort |
| 07:59.44 | neenee | Nothing 'wow' about that :P |
| 08:00.01 | Crysli | neenee: You don't want to know... |
| 08:00.11 | neenee | ok |
| 08:00.41 | Punkie` | hehe |
| 08:00.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Ritual of Refreshment gives Manabiscuits, which restore 7500 health and 7200 mana over 30 seconds. It's just about making life a bit easier for the mage, now everyone can grab what they want. We're not attempting to or currently buffing the water/food you would normally conjure. |
| 08:00.43 | sag_ich_nicht | w00t |
| 08:01.02 | Punkie` | i remember this one time in STV when i was levelling |
| 08:01.10 | Punkie` | there was an alliance stealing all my quest mobs |
| 08:01.23 | Punkie` | and then I sprinted around all the trolls |
| 08:01.32 | Punkie` | and vanished ontop of him so they aggroed to him |
| 08:01.35 | Punkie` | awesome :D |
| 08:01.45 | neenee | I always enjoyed this bear video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_VlVckrUgY |
| 08:05.52 | Crysli | neenee: Search for Bearforce 1 |
| 08:06.46 | neenee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5dOIkLNCxc err.. |
| 08:07.40 | Crysli | neenee: No, in english. |
| 08:07.50 | neenee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twQlpFrm5iM ? |
| 08:08.48 | neenee | I've seen better clips and heard better songs |
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| 08:09.22 | Crysli | neenee: I know. It's just beary fun |
| 08:09.31 | neenee | oki |
| 08:09.53 | Punkie` | ~lart Crysli |
| 08:09.53 | purl | eats Crysli and falls over dead |
| 08:09.58 | Crysli | D: |
| 08:10.04 | Crysli | Punkie: Hay be nice |
| 08:10.08 | Punkie` | never! |
| 08:10.13 | neenee | *hey |
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| 08:10.30 | Punkie` | hay is for horses! |
| 08:11.22 | neenee | Indee |
| 08:11.22 | neenee | d |
| 08:12.54 | Crysli | K. I leave now. kthxbai |
| 08:13.19 | neenee | http://i24.tinypic.com/aob9l4.jpg - old shot, stunned a Horde jumping over me :) |
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| 08:21.12 | sedai| | brewfest is amusing |
| 08:21.22 | sedai| | wish the darkiron dwarves would attack again |
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| 08:26.31 | neenee | I wish my server was up |
| 08:26.54 | Lukian | 15mins sedai! :D |
| 08:27.15 | Lukian | actually probably like 10mins |
| 08:27.26 | neenee | sedai.. like Ai'sedai? |
| 08:28.16 | Fisker- | i'm going to attack you Punkie` |
| 08:29.30 | Punkie` | i'm going to counterattack you Fisker- |
| 08:30.54 | Fisker- | but how did you know? |
| 08:31.00 | Fisker- | I haven't even attacked you yet |
| 08:31.12 | sag_ich_nicht | ~whalecrit Fisker- and Punkie` |
| 08:31.13 | purl | ACTION crits Fisker- and Punkie` with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Fisker- and Punkie` dies |
| 08:31.30 | sag_ich_nicht | don't threaten. act. |
| 08:31.35 | sag_ich_nicht | gg no re |
| 08:32.50 | Punkie` | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 08:32.51 | purl | crushes sag_ich_nicht with a full height scsi disk |
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| 08:46.35 | Fisker- | oh fucking win Punkie` |
| 08:48.32 | CIA-12 | 03ammo * r50742 10BigWigs/Plugins/Messages.lua: BigWigs: remove shadow offset if we're not using it. |
| 08:49.00 | kebinusan | brewfest seems nice and bugged |
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| 08:51.29 | Arcaia | bugged? |
| 08:51.56 | Xinhuan | "nice and bugged" makes no sense to me |
| 08:54.11 | Arcaia | make a macro to /wave and spam the barkers |
| 08:54.46 | Arcaia | you can fit about 25 waves into a macro ;P |
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| 09:00.14 | hydh | hi there |
| 09:00.31 | Arcaia | hydh-er |
| 09:00.57 | hydh | is there an addon which disables the tracking icon at the minimap and moves it anywhere else? |
| 09:01.03 | Arcaia | yes. |
| 09:01.19 | Arcaia | i dont have any tracking character though |
| 09:01.28 | Arcaia | so >.> i wouldnt know what it was |
| 09:01.37 | hydh | hehe ;) |
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| 09:03.06 | theoddone33 | mine went away |
| 09:03.12 | theoddone33 | when I updated mods after the last big patch |
| 09:03.15 | theoddone33 | and I kind of want it back :( |
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| 09:05.29 | neenee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:07.21 | CIA-12 | 03oridan * r50743 10SpellReminder/ (SpellReminder.lua SpellReminder.toc): |
| 09:07.21 | CIA-12 | SpellReminder: |
| 09:07.21 | CIA-12 | - Pet's spells are no longer cleared as redundant when changing pets |
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| 09:10.16 | CIA-12 | 03alx * r50744 10WhoLib/WhoLib.toc: |
| 09:10.16 | CIA-12 | WhoLib: |
| 09:10.17 | CIA-12 | - updated toc |
| 09:15.02 | kebinusan | hmm wasnt there some website that listed all patch notes since release and had them categorized into buff/nerf/bugfix or something |
| 09:15.50 | Fisker- | http://i22.tinypic.com/1z4e8mh.jpg :D |
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| 09:17.17 | kebinusan | ah found it, http://www.lietcam.com/blog/2007/09/10/charting-wow-balance-changes/ |
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| 09:20.54 | Punkie` | Fisker-: Nice UI |
| 09:20.56 | Punkie` | naaaat |
| 09:21.06 | Fisker- | hey Punkie` |
| 09:21.07 | Fisker- | fuck you |
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| 09:22.03 | Punkie` | :D |
| 09:23.27 | Neebler | oh god its hideous! |
| 09:24.16 | theoddone33 | tried paladin/rogue 2v2 tonight |
| 09:24.18 | theoddone33 | kind of hard |
| 09:25.41 | theoddone33 | I think we had a kind of bad strat though |
| 09:25.42 | Fisker- | but nice sploitz right Punkie`? |
| 09:27.31 | Vires | Does that say you have 14 thousand gold or is another addon displaying a number too close? |
| 09:28.34 | Fisker- | i got 14000g! |
| 09:28.41 | Punkie` | noooo |
| 09:28.56 | Fisker- | no u Punkie` |
| 09:30.07 | Chompers | NO IT IS YOU FISKER |
| 09:30.09 | Chompers | X1000 |
| 09:35.15 | Trell_ | is the Bark for the Barleybrews quest bugged? |
| 09:35.30 | Arcaia | not for me? |
| 09:35.38 | Trell_ | wth do you have to do? |
| 09:35.51 | Arcaia | ride through ironforge for alliance |
| 09:36.00 | Trell_ | i stood right next to the damn flags and /bark'ed, yelled, spoke, nothing happened |
| 09:37.35 | Trell_ | Arcaia: or you on an eu or a us server? |
| 09:38.04 | Arcaia | us |
| 09:38.14 | Arcaia | you ride through them |
| 09:38.17 | Arcaia | on the riding ram |
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| 09:38.54 | Trell_ | well its not working for anyone on my server :( |
| 09:39.04 | Trell_ | just loads of rams riding round and round each flag |
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| 09:39.22 | bluspacecow | hey guys ;) |
| 09:40.50 | neenee | EU server here |
| 09:40.52 | neenee | not a clue what to do |
| 09:41.08 | neenee | trying again now |
| 09:41.12 | bluspacecow | try not insult the german by using french |
| 09:41.22 | bluspacecow | good advice for visiting any european nation |
| 09:41.24 | Trell_ | I think all EU are fuxored on that quest |
| 09:41.46 | Trell_ | at least on Draenor anyway, /1 and /2 are full of people asking how to do it :P |
| 09:41.56 | bluspacecow | which quest ? |
| 09:42.02 | Trell_ | bark for the barleybrews |
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| 09:42.38 | Lukian | It's broken on alliance side |
| 09:43.16 | bluspacecow | well i'm not on wow atm |
| 09:43.20 | bluspacecow | brb ill google it |
| 09:44.11 | neenee | It's not working for me either |
| 09:44.25 | bluspacecow | Looks like this quest is suffering from the same issue that we on Oceanic realms experience every week, the NPCs have spawned but it won't officially start until US realms start. |
| 09:44.29 | bluspacecow | that help ? |
| 09:44.44 | bluspacecow | has brew fest started on the US realms yet ? |
| 09:45.10 | Xinhuan | yes it has |
| 09:46.00 | bluspacecow | ah huh |
| 09:46.02 | bluspacecow | here we go |
| 09:46.03 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/03/brewfest-issues/ |
| 09:46.14 | bluspacecow | it goes live @ midnight server time |
| 09:46.20 | orionshock | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2043951810&sid=1 |
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| 09:53.16 | backbone | is TinyTipFu incompatible with new FuBar revisions? |
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| 09:53.31 | backbone | cant access it through rock |
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| 09:58.26 | orionshock | backbone: what you have given is a non-descript problem that cannot be solved witihout you providing more information |
| 09:58.31 | CIA-12 | 03jerry * r50745 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib: bugfix |
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| 10:00.21 | kandarz | backbone: TinyTip doesn't use AceOptions, it doesn't even use Ace, so it won't be in Rock or Niagara |
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| 10:02.34 | orionshock | kandarz: he said TinyTipFu |
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| 10:03.34 | CIA-12 | 03daviesh * r50746 10AtlasLoot/TableRegister/loottables.fr.lua: |
| 10:03.34 | CIA-12 | AtlasLoot: |
| 10:03.34 | CIA-12 | - French bugfix |
| 10:05.44 | CIA-12 | 03ammo * r50747 10Cartographer/Cartographer_GroupColors/GroupColors.lua: Cartographer: be nice and give the Rock users inactive color flashing as well, go report those inactives :) |
| 10:06.06 | backbone | kandarz: i mean TinyTipFu |
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| 10:06.34 | kandarz | as far as my understanding, TinyTipFu only adds a fubar button? |
| 10:06.37 | backbone | there is a fubar plugin for fubar which gives you control about tinytip |
| 10:06.44 | backbone | yes |
| 10:07.06 | backbone | but you cant bring it on to your fubar, because you cant see it in rock |
| 10:07.27 | Xinhuan | then you should contact Tinytipfu's author :) |
| 10:07.31 | kandarz | I'm looking at the code, I see no where where tinytipfu adds the tinytip menu to aceoptions, so it can't be in rock since it wouldn't know about it |
| 10:07.56 | backbone | thats not the problem kandarz |
| 10:08.00 | Fisker- | I WANT BREWFEST |
| 10:08.09 | backbone | the problem is, that the button isnt on the fubar :( |
| 10:08.13 | kandarz | backbone>cant access it through rock |
| 10:08.21 | Fisker- | oh fucking awesome [Ammo] |
| 10:08.27 | Fisker- | killed by their own addons? :) |
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| 10:08.38 | backbone | yeah my mistake :( |
| 10:09.12 | orionshock | kandarz: one doesn't nessisarily have to use ace options to make a fubar plugin |
| 10:09.20 | backbone | i mean cant access the tinytipfu control (to bring it on the bar) in rock |
| 10:09.40 | orionshock | backbone: it's not appearing in the drop downs as a valid plugin? |
| 10:09.47 | Fisker- | now we just need someone to modify the scoreboard [Ammo] |
| 10:10.06 | kandarz | orionshock: he just confused me by saying he couldn't access tinytipfu, which I took as the tinytip options in rock |
| 10:10.18 | backbone | there is no drop down on my fubar anymore, every time i right click on it, i see the rock frame |
| 10:11.13 | kandarz | all of ckknight's addons don't use dewdrop |
| 10:11.49 | ckknight | ironic, since I wrote Dewdrop to begin with |
| 10:11.52 | orionshock | kandarz: wrong, cartographer still does |
| 10:11.58 | kandarz | oh? |
| 10:12.08 | orionshock | LOL speak of the devil ... |
| 10:12.51 | kandarz | well, then I should say, phase out dewdrop |
| 10:13.21 | ckknight | Dewdrop has its purpose in some areas |
| 10:13.45 | orionshock | ya backbone Fubar_TinyTipFu will need to be adjusted to work with Fubar-3.0 |
| 10:13.47 | backbone | so i have to install the dewdrop library, to get this work? |
| 10:13.58 | Xinhuan | actually Cartographer still uses DewDrop |
| 10:14.02 | orionshock | backbone: no |
| 10:14.02 | Xinhuan | proof: click on the ZONE button |
| 10:14.16 | ckknight | yea |
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| 10:14.18 | Xinhuan | the dropdown menu is a dewdrop for you to choose the zonemap |
| 10:14.21 | ckknight | Dewdrop is great right there |
| 10:14.32 | kandarz | never use that button :| |
| 10:14.34 | orionshock | in this instance, TinyTipFu is calling a 3pa drop down menu that is un associated with anything |
| 10:14.54 | backbone | tinytipfu works fine |
| 10:14.55 | Srosh | ~seem thrae |
| 10:14.59 | Srosh | ~seen thrae |
| 10:15.02 | purl | thrae <n=Thrae@pool-71-179-86-35.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 2d 11h 3m 55s ago, saying: 's#sweat#sweet#'. |
| 10:15.11 | backbone | but it doesnt interacts well with fubar :( |
| 10:15.17 | Srosh | ~seen thraebot |
| 10:15.18 | purl | thraebot <n=ThraeBot@pool-71-166-57-54.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 16h 48m 18s ago, saying: 'Marli: Arena points from a rating of 600 is, 2v2: 23, 3v3: 27, 5v5: 34'. |
| 10:15.39 | orionshock | so the function will need to be adjusted to specifically handle left and right clicks |
| 10:16.12 | backbone | on all my fubar plugins the dropdown menus are working |
| 10:16.58 | backbone | but the fubar it self have no dropdown menu anylonger, so i have to config fubar with rock, but there i didnt see all fubar plugins i have |
| 10:17.11 | orionshock | well i stand corrected.. it's not |
| 10:19.56 | orionshock | backbone: so what's not working? |
| 10:20.16 | ckknight | hrm, I should probably fix that |
| 10:20.24 | backbone | if i kick tinytipfu out of my bar fubar, i cant get it back on |
| 10:20.39 | ckknight | backbone: oh, yes you can |
| 10:20.47 | ckknight | are you sure you're looking in the right place? |
| 10:20.57 | backbone | no |
| 10:20.59 | backbone | ^^ |
| 10:21.00 | ckknight | go to the bar config, go to plugins |
| 10:21.01 | orionshock | right click fubar, it's listed under interface enhansments |
| 10:21.08 | ckknight | then under one of the categories, it'll be there |
| 10:21.13 | ckknight | interface enhancements |
| 10:21.17 | backbone | i cant rightclick my fubar |
| 10:21.24 | orionshock | ? |
| 10:21.28 | backbone | if i do, i see rock |
| 10:21.36 | orionshock | correct - that's intended |
| 10:22.28 | orionshock | it should open up to a plug-ins brake down by categori. |
| 10:22.40 | backbone | i got the error |
| 10:22.45 | backbone | :( |
| 10:22.49 | orionshock | pastey it |
| 10:23.24 | backbone | i didnt see the option registers "#bar1" "#bar2" |
| 10:24.08 | backbone | clicked on "new bar" |
| 10:24.45 | orionshock | http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/OrionShock/WoWScrnShot_100307_032406.jpg |
| 10:24.58 | orionshock | that's what you should see when you right click on fubar |
| 10:25.03 | [Ammo] | you like teh blue? |
| 10:25.05 | [Ammo] | wowa |
| 10:25.13 | [Ammo] | blue glows all over the place :) |
| 10:25.23 | orionshock | it's a soft color ... |
| 10:25.28 | orionshock | sue me.. ;P |
| 10:25.36 | backbone | yeah but left under "Background" options, there was no "Bar #1" "Bar #2" option |
| 10:26.02 | orionshock | but you have bars yes? |
| 10:26.11 | backbone | yeah :/ |
| 10:26.33 | orionshock | why does the term "/fucked/" come to mind.... |
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| 10:26.48 | Neebler | that blue isn't soft. it's overbearing |
| 10:26.58 | [Ammo] | to each their own |
| 10:27.10 | orionshock | LOL Neebler ...i can make it worse... |
| 10:27.12 | orionshock | :D |
| 10:27.23 | backbone | thx for your time and help ;) |
| 10:27.31 | CIA-12 | 03daviesh * r50748 10AtlasLoot/Core/ (AtlasLoot.lua LootButtons.lua): |
| 10:27.31 | CIA-12 | AtlasLoot: |
| 10:27.31 | CIA-12 | - Auto server querying to take advantage of an apparent change in policy by Blizzard. You can no longer be disconnected for unsafe items (as far as testing shows) |
| 10:27.38 | orionshock | backbone: my sugestion ... and it seems to work well some times... it's to nix your SV file for fubar and try again |
| 10:28.06 | orionshock | daviesh -- bull shit |
| 10:28.18 | backbone | i see it now, since i click on "create new bar" |
| 10:28.57 | orionshock | sugestion remains... when RockDB took over the transition from AceDB was bitchie |
| 10:28.58 | Neebler | OH RLY AUTO SERVER QUERY |
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| 10:29.45 | backbone | hmmm ok |
| 10:30.26 | orionshock | or you can do /run FuBar2DB = nil " |
| 10:30.29 | orionshock | then reload ui |
| 10:31.57 | orionshock | oddly enough the other day it dawned on me just exactly how the SV system work in wow.... |
| 10:32.10 | orionshock | because i'v never seen it explained to well |
| 10:32.51 | backbone | i will leave it for now, since it doesnt disturbs me, but i was wondering, because i cant fully configure my fubar |
| 10:33.39 | Marli | So much is wasted when I use the blizz downloader |
| 10:34.44 | Marli | New graveyards zomg |
| 10:36.13 | orionshock | marli think of it... it could be worse.. |
| 10:36.32 | Marli | ok thanks for totally pointless comment |
| 10:36.35 | CIA-12 | 03grum * r50749 10/branches/Cartographer_Routes/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Cartographer_Routes: Initial import |
| 10:36.50 | Ellipsis | amg Grum no wai! |
| 10:37.07 | Marli | What time is it CEST? |
| 10:37.11 | orionshock | http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/OrionShock/WoWScrnShot_100307_033645.jpg |
| 10:37.38 | Grum | [12:37:07] <Marli> What time is it CEST? |
| 10:37.47 | Marli | Ok thanks |
| 10:37.56 | Marli | My realm was supposed to be up 37 minutes ago!! |
| 10:38.02 | Stanzilla2 | orionshock: do you actualy have eyes? |
| 10:38.04 | Matrix110 | mine aswell |
| 10:38.06 | Stanzilla2 | like normal ones? |
| 10:38.41 | orionshock | lol |
| 10:38.43 | orionshock | no |
| 10:39.19 | Marli | is it possible to make more macros than the window normally allows? :F |
| 10:39.20 | Stanzilla2 | thought so^^ |
| 10:39.39 | orionshock | lol |
| 10:39.45 | orionshock | Marli: sorta |
| 10:39.53 | CIA-12 | 03grum 07WIP * r50750 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/: |
| 10:39.53 | CIA-12 | Cartographer_Routes: |
| 10:39.53 | CIA-12 | - setting up svn:externals |
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| 10:41.01 | Demetrious | Any WAU author here? |
| 10:41.15 | Marli | Why |
| 10:41.20 | Stanzilla2 | Demetrious: sylvanaar |
| 10:41.37 | Demetrious | sylvanaar: Ping. |
| 10:44.22 | Demetrious | Stanzilla2: Note left. Thanks. |
| 10:45.07 | CIA-12 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r562 10/trunk/TourGuide/Alliance/47_48_Tanaris.lua: TourGuide - More guide tweaks |
| 10:45.47 | orionshock | sob, Van hit harder than meroes does.... |
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| 10:46.56 | ramoz | Grum: o/ |
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| 10:50.35 | Gnarfoz | Grum: is that the awesome 'tell me which way to go to visit all the notes in this zone most efficiently' thingy I saw a most awesome screenshot of in here some time ago? |
| 10:51.19 | Stanzilla2 | yes |
| 10:51.24 | Xinhuan | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 10:51.36 | Marli | Common Sense on a map |
| 10:51.38 | Marli | amirite |
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| 10:52.00 | Gnarfoz | woot :> |
| 10:52.35 | Gnarfoz | bleh server still down :< |
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| 10:53.44 | Cheads | uhm so the headless horseman won't be here before the 18th october? |
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| 10:54.22 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50751 10FuBar/ (FuBar-Locale-enUS.lua FuBar.lua): FuBar - add a fake "All categories" category to add/remove plugins from. |
| 10:55.13 | JackHound | Anyone here? |
| 10:55.26 | Trell_ | yes, just a few of us. |
| 10:56.00 | Trell_ | 288 ti be exact, not counting you. |
| 10:56.00 | JackHound | I got a few questions on eePanels. Anyone good with it? |
| 10:56.03 | Trell_ | *to |
| 10:56.16 | JackHound | Heh...I see... |
| 10:57.07 | Trell_ | just ask |
| 10:57.12 | Trell_ | if someone can help; they will |
| 10:57.19 | JackHound | Ok then... |
| 10:57.55 | Trell_ | ~asktoask |
| 10:57.56 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 10:58.14 | JackHound | How can I link a panel to multiple elements? I have a group of bars from bartender and I want to have a panel surround. |
| 10:58.40 | Trell_ | do they *have* to be linked to the bars? |
| 10:58.57 | Trell_ | i mean; your bartender bars aren't always going to be in different places, right? |
| 10:59.32 | JackHound | No. But I would assume linking it to the bars would make things easier when it comes to sizing it and such. |
| 10:59.54 | Xinhuan | ckknight: what does the last commit mean? fake category? |
| 10:59.55 | Trell_ | why not just resize the bars first; get them as you like them, then put the panel in? |
| 11:00.07 | ckknight | just test it out before bothering me |
| 11:00.20 | Xinhuan | later, raiding now lol! |
| 11:00.29 | Trell_ | and how long till that TourGuide is useable, damnit |
| 11:00.34 | Trell_ | that looks cool as hell :( |
| 11:00.56 | Trell_ | or is it the cart routes |
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| 11:03.51 | [AoC]Camci | lo, anyone uses the addon called DrugTest ? |
| 11:04.59 | JackHound | Is there a way to change the border alpha or is that something you cant change because of the texture? |
| 11:05.20 | JackHound | (For eePanels still) |
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| 11:12.26 | Fisker- | that's it i'm gonna /wrists |
| 11:12.35 | Ellipsis | ~emo |
| 11:12.36 | purl | /wrists |
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| 11:19.50 | Grum | <Ellipsis> amg Grum no wai! <-- yes wai! |
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| 11:22.21 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 11:22.25 | sag_ich_nicht | release addon grum. |
| 11:22.27 | sag_ich_nicht | or doom. |
| 11:22.30 | sag_ich_nicht | ~doom Grum |
| 11:22.31 | purl | ACTION joins with the dodos in mocking sag_ich_nicht: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" || <action> bites off a finger, then sends sag_ich_nicht hurling down deep into the Cracks of Mount Doom |
| 11:22.39 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 11:22.42 | sag_ich_nicht | ~literal doom |
| 11:22.43 | purl | "doom" is "<action> stalks $who, chanting doom on you, doom on you!" |
| 11:22.59 | Grum | huh |
| 11:23.13 | Ellipsis | interesting o.O |
| 11:23.14 | sag_ich_nicht | someone broke purl. |
| 11:23.18 | Ellipsis | indeed |
| 11:23.22 | Grum | ~doom Grum |
| 11:23.22 | purl | ACTION joins with the dodos in mocking grum: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" || <action> bites off a finger, then sends grum hurling down deep into the Cracks of Mount Doom |
| 11:23.27 | sag_ich_nicht | ~doom |
| 11:23.28 | purl | ACTION stalks sag_ich_nicht, chanting doom on you, doom on you! |
| 11:23.38 | sag_ich_nicht | ~literal doom wutz |
| 11:23.39 | purl | ACTION joins with the dodos in mocking sag_ich_nicht: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" || <action> bites off a finger, then sends sag_ich_nicht hurling down deep into the Cracks of Mount Doom |
| 11:23.45 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 11:23.46 | sag_ich_nicht | wtf. |
| 11:23.47 | Ellipsis | lol wtf? |
| 11:23.52 | Trell_ | stupid eu bugged brewfest quests |
| 11:23.59 | Trell_ | *curses blizzard* |
| 11:24.02 | sag_ich_nicht | not bugged |
| 11:24.06 | sag_ich_nicht | 1 day for building it |
| 11:24.08 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 11:24.10 | Grum | not working as intended |
| 11:24.13 | sag_ich_nicht | QQ |
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| 11:24.24 | Trell_ | I am QQ'ing |
| 11:24.24 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: stop whining for a release |
| 11:24.27 | Grum | it's on bloody svn |
| 11:24.30 | Trell_ | I want my damn epic brewfest mount |
| 11:24.33 | Grum | check it out yourself |
| 11:24.39 | Grum | this is where the user-support ends |
| 11:25.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum wait what |
| 11:25.11 | sag_ich_nicht | when did that happen |
| 11:25.13 | sag_ich_nicht | also NAME |
| 11:25.26 | Grum | its only in branches at |
| 11:25.28 | Grum | m |
| 11:25.33 | sag_ich_nicht | well that smells. |
| 11:25.40 | Grum | http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Cartographer_Routes/WIP/Cartographer_Routes/ - enjoy |
| 11:25.48 | Grum | not it doesnt |
| 11:25.51 | Grum | it's way from finished |
| 11:25.51 | sag_ich_nicht | because i'm too lazy to access the SV...ormaybei'mnot. |
| 11:26.24 | Grum | and i will likely on purpose create a backwards incompatibility with a future version |
| 11:26.25 | sag_ich_nicht | now i need to get myself SVN access, but sooo lazy |
| 11:26.27 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 11:26.35 | Grum | just to piss of the people using it from SVN in its current state ^^ |
| 11:27.01 | Grum | but it still kinda works |
| 11:27.05 | Grum | if you have a squarish minimap :) |
| 11:27.54 | sag_ich_nicht | is there a non-write default login for the SVN? :X |
| 11:27.58 | Grum | http://grum.nl/carto/2_after_creating_the_route_no_tsp_done_yet.jpg <-- look, that is how it will look! |
| 11:28.16 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 11:28.21 | Ellipsis | needs more win and less fail imo |
| 11:28.22 | Grum | yeah: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Cartographer_Routes/WIP/Cartographer_Routes/ |
| 11:28.24 | Trell_ | i don't believe you |
| 11:28.26 | Trell_ | lies |
| 11:28.28 | Grum | should be without password |
| 11:28.28 | Trell_ | all lies |
| 11:28.43 | sag_ich_nicht | true enough |
| 11:28.45 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 11:28.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: how long does it take to find the route? |
| 11:29.00 | Grum | see: http://grum.nl/carto/3_one_of_the_tsp_iterations.jpg |
| 11:29.05 | Grum | that is on my box |
| 11:29.10 | sag_ich_nicht | (and how far from optimal is it, or did you manage to push it to optimal already?) |
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| 11:29.21 | Grum | takes me ~30-70s for 520 points |
| 11:29.27 | Grum | and its relatively far from optimal |
| 11:29.35 | Grum | but within 10% likely |
| 11:30.08 | Grum | and you can just run it again and get a better route |
| 11:30.08 | Trell_ | will you be able to choose what nodes? |
| 11:30.11 | Grum | yes |
| 11:30.18 | Grum | see: http://grum.nl/carto/1_selecting_node_entries_from_carto_databases.jpg |
| 11:30.21 | Trell_ | so ignore felweed etc |
| 11:30.28 | Trell_ | ah awesome |
| 11:30.36 | Trell_ | that is sex on rock |
| 11:30.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: function for optimal route bruting(and estimated time to do so?)? :O |
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| 11:31.10 | Grum | that will never be created sag_ich_nicht |
| 11:31.12 | Grum | *never* |
| 11:31.15 | sag_ich_nicht | why |
| 11:31.17 | Trell_ | less irc, more coding, get to it |
| 11:31.20 | Grum | well .. maybe only on my box ;D |
| 11:31.24 | sag_ich_nicht | meh |
| 11:31.28 | Hedin | Hi everyone |
| 11:31.29 | Grum | because i like the routes being a bit r andom |
| 11:31.31 | Grum | *random |
| 11:31.36 | Grum | that was the only reason i decided to release it |
| 11:31.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: but the next call will always be closer to optimal? |
| 11:31.48 | Grum | no |
| 11:31.58 | Grum | its based on ACO which basicly means you have to be lucky |
| 11:32.58 | Grum | stuff to be implemented: 'tsp from scratch' - basicly randomizing order and start again |
| 11:33.02 | Hedin | I always thought that Salva and Tranq stack (70%*80%=56% -44% agro) is this correct? |
| 11:33.05 | Fisker- | i know kung fu |
| 11:33.12 | Grum | and 'improve' .. which takes the current route as 'best option' and tries to improve it |
| 11:33.42 | Grum | Hedin: it depends what the debuff says i think |
| 11:33.49 | sag_ich_nicht | so you say i can just force whileloop the improve function? :X |
| 11:33.53 | Grum | it itsays: reduces with 20% it might be a static 20% |
| 11:34.03 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: your wow will hang during calculations |
| 11:34.07 | Grum | till it's finished |
| 11:34.52 | Grum | Xinhuan is thinking about having some kind of background iterating process which just tries to improve a certain route OOC for example |
| 11:35.01 | Xinhuan | i'll be working on it |
| 11:35.04 | Grum | see |
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| 11:35.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: i know. i will while a for loop. |
| 11:35.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan that is nice |
| 11:35.21 | Xinhuan | i'll probably implement it via a coroutine method |
| 11:35.27 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. Xinhuan threat-1.0 is a dick |
| 11:35.28 | Grum | but first .. i want that pheromone table to be prefilled ;D |
| 11:35.32 | Xinhuan | that runs alongside on its own pace |
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| 11:36.25 | Grum | and 2.5opt ^^ |
| 11:36.35 | cncfanatics | Cyrez, cryogen, around ? |
| 11:36.38 | Xinhuan | however, i'm raiding atm ;p |
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| 11:36.44 | Xinhuan | alar down, clearing to VR |
| 11:36.46 | Grum | Xinhuan: just be afk |
| 11:36.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: class? |
| 11:36.57 | Xinhuan | its trash mobs, and i run dual screen, /shrug |
| 11:36.59 | Xinhuan | mage |
| 11:37.04 | CIA-12 | 03recluse * r50752 10NiHao/NiHao.lua: |
| 11:37.04 | CIA-12 | NiHao: |
| 11:37.04 | CIA-12 | - Tooltip clarification and color coding freshened. |
| 11:37.04 | CIA-12 | - Added session pause/resume control. |
| 11:37.04 | sag_ich_nicht | just afk. |
| 11:37.08 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 11:37.14 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe make a autohotkey macro to spam uh |
| 11:37.17 | sag_ich_nicht | what spec are you? |
| 11:37.23 | Xinhuan | hard atually, since i do the dkp, i'm the guild leader and i lead half the raids :P |
| 11:37.30 | Stanzilla2 | sag_ich_nicht: i had a problem with threat today, too |
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| 11:37.52 | Grum | whats wrong with threat-1.0 btw sag_ich_nicht ? |
| 11:37.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Stanzilla2: the bullies in your school don't count as threat problem. |
| 11:37.53 | Stanzilla2 | I was in a group, and my threat was at 15k or something and stayed there |
| 11:37.59 | Stanzilla2 | :( |
| 11:38.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: for some reason it doesn't call it's PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED() function after zoning for me |
| 11:38.46 | Grum | huh |
| 11:39.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: basicially aggro doesn't reset. ever. |
| 11:39.28 | Grum | wth O.o |
| 11:39.33 | Grum | i've seen that for my pet |
| 11:39.47 | sag_ich_nicht | same function, different sub function. |
| 11:39.47 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 11:39.48 | Grum | was in a Kara run and i ended up with 250k threat orso :D |
| 11:40.01 | Grum | after 1-2 packs |
| 11:40.02 | Grum | was funny |
| 11:40.05 | Grum | but relog fixed it |
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| 11:41.23 | m4rku5 | umm are the bewfest quests where you have to go to those flags in IF bugged on the US servers too ? |
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| 11:41.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: yes, that's the next strange thing |
| 11:41.30 | sag_ich_nicht | reload fixes it, until you zone |
| 11:41.40 | sag_ich_nicht | but there is no real explanation for it (yet) |
| 11:41.41 | Grum | also a fun bug |
| 11:41.49 | Grum | i disconnect when i enter an instance on my flying mount |
| 11:41.54 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 11:41.58 | sag_ich_nicht | delete Cache folder |
| 11:42.00 | Grum | *SO* funny when you are in TK .. |
| 11:42.44 | Fisker- | SO Grum |
| 11:42.45 | Tigerdyr | mm.. I'd like the Tooltip created by Tablet to stay there so I can go over the tootip and be able to click an item, kinda like ClosetGnome. I've tried setting it up like CG, but it disappears as soon as I move the mouse out of my addonicon |
| 11:43.01 | Tigerdyr | So, obviously there's something I'm missing - I just can't really see what it is. |
| 11:43.08 | Ellipsis | Tigerdyr: detach tooltip? |
| 11:43.20 | Grum | finally!!!! Stargate.Atlantis.S04E01.HR.HDTV.XviD-MiNT .. sigh .. took em long enough |
| 11:43.30 | Gnarfoz | Grum: better get the 720p version. |
| 11:43.37 | Grum | Gnarfoz: why? |
| 11:43.39 | Fisker- | OLD Grum |
| 11:43.39 | Tigerdyr | Ellipsis: Regardless of detachment or not :) |
| 11:43.43 | Grum | my old xbox chokes on that ;) |
| 11:43.46 | *** join/#wowace bindi (n=indigo@d54C68C7E.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:43.46 | *** join/#wowace RLD_osx (n=rldempse@66-169-191-207.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 11:43.48 | Fisker- | it was released last friday |
| 11:43.48 | elusif | anyone play on the eu servers? |
| 11:43.48 | Gnarfoz | it's not xvid and it's a real hd res :> |
| 11:43.50 | Grum | Fisker-: it's not more than 1 day old ;) |
| 11:43.52 | Gnarfoz | oh ok, xbox, bleh |
| 11:43.58 | [dRaCo] | elusif: yeah? |
| 11:44.01 | Trell_ | yea; elusif |
| 11:44.04 | Fisker- | i can asure you it is |
| 11:44.05 | orionshock | Tigerdyr: there is an option for that. |
| 11:44.09 | Trell_ | i guess you're gonna say the flag quest is bugged? |
| 11:44.13 | *** join/#wowace Daemona (n=me@c214053.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 11:44.17 | elusif | when you try to play does it tell you 'failed to apply patch'? |
| 11:44.25 | Trell_ | oh, no it doesn't for me :P |
| 11:44.37 | elusif | ? :( |
| 11:44.47 | Trell_ | try downloading it from mmo-champion |
| 11:44.54 | Fisker- | OH U Gnarfoz |
| 11:44.55 | sag_ich_nicht | [13:43] <Grum> finally!!!! Stargate.Atlantis.S04E01.HR.HDTV.XviD-MiNT .. sigh .. took em long enough <--i watched the workprint of episode 2 last tuesday. |
| 11:44.57 | Trell_ | and repatching |
| 11:44.59 | *** join/#wowace ARENA`Bowen (i=eric@1-1-5-21a.has.sth.bostream.se) |
| 11:45.03 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: *attack* |
| 11:45.05 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: i rather watch em with sound effects ;D |
| 11:45.10 | Fisker- | I watched that 3 weeks ago sag_ich_nicht |
| 11:45.11 | Fisker- | OWNT |
| 11:45.12 | Grum | but those copies are out for ~12days orso |
| 11:45.16 | elusif | but aren't the servers down until 12:00 cst? |
| 11:45.16 | sag_ich_nicht | without soundeffects is superior. |
| 11:45.17 | Gnarfoz | yup, sound effects for me, too, pls :> |
| 11:45.22 | Trell_ | some are, elusif |
| 11:45.27 | Fisker- | there were sound effects |
| 11:45.32 | Fisker- | Crewmember: "BOOM" |
| 11:45.33 | Trell_ | additional maintenance |
| 11:45.33 | orionshock | the insanity of some of the authors here.... |
| 11:45.42 | ARENA`Bowen | 9. When WAU starts I see "Ready: (Data is not cached old)" |
| 11:45.42 | ARENA`Bowen | Locate your temp directory and delete it. |
| 11:45.51 | ARENA`Bowen | where can i find that? |
| 11:45.57 | Fisker- | ya hear me Gnarfoz? |
| 11:45.58 | orionshock | .... im going to go to bed before i seriously contemplate sending something in the mail im going to regret... |
| 11:46.07 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: yes |
| 11:46.14 | Fisker- | GOOD |
| 11:46.24 | Gnarfoz | NO WAI |
| 11:46.27 | Fisker- | yes wai |
| 11:46.35 | Gnarfoz | maek my realm liek up pls? |
| 11:46.36 | Fisker- | also your mother |
| 11:46.59 | Tigerdyr | orionshock: That was what I was thinking - So I tried digging into ClosetGnome to see what I must be missing. Apparently I'm having the same options, and my tooltip is filled nicely, but when I move my mouse out of the addon the tooltip disappears. Thought it was child_hasCheck option.. or showWithoutChildren |
| 11:47.12 | Trell_ | Grum; is routes actually semi useable? |
| 11:47.28 | orionshock | Tigerdyr: one sec |
| 11:47.42 | ARENA`Bowen | 9. When WAU starts I see "Ready: (Data is not cached old)" |
| 11:47.45 | ARENA`Bowen | Locate your temp directory and delete it. |
| 11:47.47 | ARENA`Bowen | where can i find that? |
| 11:48.25 | orionshock | Tigerdyr: .clickableTooltip = true |
| 11:48.35 | orionshock | there you go.. that is if your using fubar? |
| 11:49.07 | Grum | Trell_: yes if you have a fast pc, dont select too much nodes, have nodes, use a squared minimap |
| 11:49.10 | orionshock | there you go.. that is if your using FuBarPlugin-2.0 |
| 11:49.13 | Grum | and are arsed to download it yourself of svn |
| 11:49.56 | Tigerdyr | orionshock: mm. OH.. Thanks, wonder how I didn't see that.. |
| 11:50.07 | orionshock | meh.... |
| 11:50.19 | Trell_ | semifast, got nodes, use squeenix, and can be arsed |
| 11:50.20 | Trell_ | thanks |
| 11:50.39 | orionshock | Tigerdyr: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/FuBar_ReportAFK/ |
| 11:50.43 | orionshock | thats my mod :D |
| 11:51.00 | orionshock | it's bloated, but it has a clickable tablet :D |
| 11:51.55 | Grum | man that is bloated |
| 11:52.08 | Tigerdyr | orionshock: :) in some cases bloat is good as examples ;-) |
| 11:52.18 | orionshock | hehe... |
| 11:52.29 | Tigerdyr | orionshock: thank you - well appreciated. Could've used a couple of hours more on this one. |
| 11:53.29 | m4rku5 | ~seen Mikk |
| 11:53.33 | purl | mikk <n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6d 17h 35m 56s ago, saying: 'be lucky if you can cram 5 megabits through a mismatch'. |
| 11:54.20 | orionshock | 268 lines of code (including comments) + AceLib + AceOO (not actually used but by libs) + AceEvent + Ace + AceDB + FubarPlugin.... all of witch can be simplified into 1 macro... |
| 11:54.21 | [Ammo] | m4rku5: this about your ace branch :p |
| 11:54.27 | *** join/#wowace Hjalte (n=chatzill@0x57346a37.svgnxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 11:54.33 | m4rku5 | ammo ? |
| 11:54.39 | [Ammo] | or not |
| 11:54.44 | [Ammo] | FuBar branch |
| 11:54.50 | orionshock | now that is bloat Tigerdyr |
| 11:54.52 | [Ammo] | the one that is obsolete and already done |
| 11:55.03 | m4rku5 | erm hows that ? |
| 11:55.06 | Xinhuan | orionshock: the addon doesn't even do much, since you can't report more than X ppl per time period ;p |
| 11:55.19 | Xinhuan | well the game lets you report them, but gets ignored if you report too many |
| 11:55.20 | Fisker- | sploit tiem |
| 11:55.31 | Hjalte | My friend is being forced to use Deadly Boss Mods instead of BigWigs in his guild - Any, working, addon that can emulate a version check for Deadly Boss Mods? |
| 11:55.33 | orionshock | ... even so... it serves a purpose even tho it has it's limitations |
| 11:55.40 | Marli | DBM is orsm :F |
| 11:56.18 | orionshock | Hjalte: tell you friend that his guild is stupid and that they should all convert over to BigWigs |
| 11:56.36 | Punkie` | Hjalte: theres one on wowace |
| 11:56.39 | Hjalte | orionshock, I've tried to tell them that and he has. |
| 11:56.40 | [AoC]Camci | http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2916/newzm2.jpg How to get that style for the name? O.o |
| 11:56.40 | orionshock | if only because BW dosn't spam the addon channel with useless shit that means less |
| 11:56.45 | Punkie` | do a ctrl+f for dbm |
| 11:56.48 | Hjalte | Punkie`, it's not working anymore :( |
| 11:56.53 | Punkie` | edit the lua |
| 11:56.57 | Punkie` | change the version number |
| 11:57.10 | Hjalte | Punkie`: I think he has tried to change the lua, but maybe i should take a look at it. |
| 11:57.26 | *** join/#wowace Telrin (n=test@klaagmuur.quince.nl) |
| 11:57.29 | vhaarr | Hjalte: try http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/DBMFTLBBQ/ |
| 11:58.04 | Hjalte | vhaarr, he tried it yesterday but he didnt manage to get it to work. Should it be compatible with the latest version? |
| 11:58.12 | vhaarr | I don't know |
| 11:58.20 | vhaarr | I made it for 2.70 |
| 11:58.21 | orionshock | Xinhuan: i get worse :D http://shock-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/SickOfClickingDailys/ |
| 11:58.23 | Trell_ | Grum; I can't yet access Routes through Rock? |
| 11:58.28 | Trell_ | and I know it's wip :P |
| 11:58.32 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 11:58.37 | Xinhuan | what does that do |
| 11:58.38 | CIA-12 | 03sayclub * r50753 10BigWigs/TheEye/Solarian.lua: |
| 11:58.39 | CIA-12 | .TheEye : TheEye/Solarian : |
| 11:58.39 | CIA-12 | - Whisper the player with Wrath Debuff |
| 11:58.41 | Grum | euh? |
| 11:58.54 | orionshock | lol i got sick of clicking the daily quest to pick them up and turn them in |
| 11:58.56 | Grum | it has some drycoded stuff in it .. but hell it's on a branch for that |
| 11:59.29 | orionshock | and it's counter part in fubar: http://shock-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/DailyFu/ |
| 11:59.36 | vhaarr | Hjalte: let me fix it later |
| 11:59.38 | vhaarr | Hjalte: remind me |
| 11:59.53 | Hjalte | vhaarr, i'll test it out and if i cant get it to work, I'll remind you :) |
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| 12:02.32 | Gnarfoz | http://www.bildschirmarbeiter.com/fun/images/picdump-07-09-28/picdump-24.jpg ;D (NSFW ^^) |
| 12:02.56 | kebinusan | seems perfectly safe for me |
| 12:02.57 | orionshock | wth Gnarfoz |
| 12:03.23 | Gnarfoz | I don't know, either, orionshock! :D |
| 12:04.15 | Kerafyrm | ... |
| 12:04.27 | *** part/#wowace Nightdew_ (n=Nightdew@68.143.218.130.nw.nuvox.net) |
| 12:04.31 | orionshock | good night everyone... |
| 12:04.40 | neenee | nite. |
| 12:05.06 | orionshock | let us pray that tommarrow the sun shines... |
| 12:05.31 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.57 | neenee | Hm. Time for a new interface. |
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| 12:07.18 | Hjalte | vhaarr, didnt work for me either. Changed version to 3.00, but when checking in raid only the other person, who was checking, seemed to have DBM installed. |
| 12:07.48 | vhaarr | Hjalte: I'll fix it later, remind me |
| 12:08.23 | Hjalte | [Ammo], can you get to your characters on Kazzak EU? |
| 12:08.29 | CIA-12 | 03grum 07WIP * r50754 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/Core.lua: Cartographer_Routes: drycode fix (blame Trell_) |
| 12:08.31 | sag_ich_nicht | wtf Gnarfoz |
| 12:08.33 | sag_ich_nicht | source? |
| 12:08.33 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 12:08.39 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: camera? |
| 12:08.40 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 12:08.45 | sag_ich_nicht | ~facepalm |
| 12:08.45 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 12:09.00 | Hjalte | Gnarfoz, if you took that picture i am moving to where you live! |
| 12:09.05 | [Ammo] | Hjalte: yeah |
| 12:09.45 | Hjalte | [Ammo], weird. I get "Error retrieving character list" |
| 12:09.46 | Gnarfoz | lol, no, who want's to live in a police state... anyway, bildschirmarbeiter.com is one of those 'dump teh funneh here, pls'-pages for bored IT people |
| 12:09.54 | Punkie` | Hjalte: me too |
| 12:10.24 | [Ammo] | Hjalte: I was on 2 mins ago |
| 12:10.28 | [Ammo] | or rather 10 |
| 12:10.35 | Punkie` | lies ammo |
| 12:10.36 | Hjalte | [Ammo], i bet you can't come on now. |
| 12:10.38 | Punkie` | press 1 to autoattack |
| 12:10.41 | [Ammo] | no lies |
| 12:10.44 | [Ammo] | autoattack ftw |
| 12:10.50 | [Ammo] | must have on any warlock's bar |
| 12:11.11 | Punkie` | ~lart [Ammo] |
| 12:11.11 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of [Ammo]'s pants |
| 12:11.22 | Punkie` | no more babies for you |
| 12:12.04 | Punkie` | Hjalte: btw what is your char? |
| 12:12.23 | Fisker- | 1+1 = 2 |
| 12:12.24 | Hjalte | Punkie`, I've got a warrior called Insecure and a priest called Hjalte. Both lvl 70. |
| 12:14.06 | Punkie` | ally? |
| 12:14.18 | Hjalte | Punkie`: Yeah. |
| 12:15.04 | kebinusan | Hot grits |
| 12:15.06 | *** join/#wowace Higdur (n=nike@nl106-135-43.student.uu.se) |
| 12:15.16 | kebinusan | whats next, a naked and petrified natalie portman? |
| 12:15.54 | Punkie` | Hjalte: what guild?:P |
| 12:16.13 | kebinusan | So.. that whisper option that was just added to the solarian fight.. its enabled by default which means every promoted member of my guild is going to be sending out ZOMG YOU HAVE THE BOMB whispers, no? |
| 12:16.32 | Hjalte | Punkie`: Just got my warrior into Frontier. I've not been raiding/playing my characters on Kazzak for some time, been leveling a warlock on dunemaul eu alliance. |
| 12:16.43 | Punkie` | ah kk |
| 12:16.44 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, UR ON KAZZAK ? |
| 12:17.00 | Punkie` | ~lart cncfanatics |
| 12:17.00 | purl | takes a big bite out of cncfanatics's jugular vein |
| 12:17.03 | Hjalte | cncfanatics: Yes. |
| 12:17.19 | Punkie` | get away cnc! we don't /need/ your kind on kazzak :D |
| 12:17.21 | kebinusan | ~~ |
| 12:17.22 | purl | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 12:17.32 | cncfanatics | Hjalte, recently rerolled horde on kazzak :o don't gank me |
| 12:17.52 | Hjalte | cncfanatics: I won't ;) I've got a prot warrior and a holy priest.. |
| 12:17.53 | Punkie` | whats your name on kazzak cncfanatics ? |
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| 12:18.22 | cncfanatics | Evolve |
| 12:18.27 | cncfanatics | lil pesky rogue |
| 12:18.39 | Punkie` | noted |
| 12:18.44 | Punkie` | for DEATH |
| 12:19.04 | [Ammo] | noted |
| 12:19.05 | [Ammo] | for DEATH |
| 12:19.30 | Punkie` | epic |
| 12:19.32 | mikma | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/110.html |
| 12:19.39 | elusif | is there any reason a rogue shouldn't use fist weapons at level 10 |
| 12:19.47 | elusif | they do more dps than my other options |
| 12:19.47 | elusif | ? |
| 12:19.57 | elusif | i know i'm supposed to be using maces and swords though |
| 12:19.59 | Punkie` | tbh |
| 12:20.02 | [Ammo] | because you can get better swords and daggers later on :) |
| 12:20.04 | cncfanatics | ur suposed ? why are you ? |
| 12:20.09 | elusif | ^ |
| 12:20.10 | Punkie` | it makes no difference :P |
| 12:20.11 | cncfanatics | skills come so easy as rogue |
| 12:20.15 | elusif | k |
| 12:20.17 | elusif | ty |
| 12:20.22 | elusif | escape artist ftw! :D |
| 12:20.26 | cncfanatics | get an offhand of a kind ur not trained with |
| 12:20.33 | *** join/#wowace RaydenUnicyclist (i=bozartmp@bozarth1.rit.edu) |
| 12:20.37 | cncfanatics | u'll do some less dmg but keep a mainhand with a skill you're trained with |
| 12:20.43 | cncfanatics | so u can still actualy grind while lvl'ing it |
| 12:21.44 | CIA-12 | 03oridan * r50755 10SpellReminder/SpellReminder.lua: |
| 12:21.44 | CIA-12 | SpellReminder: |
| 12:21.44 | CIA-12 | - added font face/size selection. |
| 12:21.58 | Punkie` | cncfanatics: i'm going to gank you so hard your librock will unload itself |
| 12:22.05 | elusif | is lower speed better? |
| 12:22.12 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: i'm going to gank you so hard your librock will unload itself |
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| 12:22.23 | cncfanatics | ehm, that phrase was the saddest one ever |
| 12:22.26 | [Ammo] | hahaha |
| 12:22.30 | elusif | cncfanatics - i was just going to level the weapon in if tram station |
| 12:22.37 | elusif | there's a spot you can go where the rats spawn |
| 12:22.44 | Punkie` | lol |
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| 12:24.07 | cncfanatics | i'm horde though |
| 12:24.07 | kebinusan | ~seen sayclub |
| 12:24.09 | purl | i haven't seen 'sayclub', kebinusan |
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| 12:24.26 | cncfanatics | btw Punkie`, [Ammo], if u got issues with librock report them if they're bugs, if they're political go fuck yourself :p |
| 12:24.31 | elusif | fist weapon = 6.8dps 6-13 damage 1.80 speed and sword = 6.8 dps damage 10-20 2.20 speed |
| 12:24.35 | elusif | which is better? |
| 12:24.38 | elusif | for rogue and why? |
| 12:24.41 | elusif | dual wield |
| 12:24.44 | Punkie` | less talking, more getting ganked by me and ammo |
| 12:25.29 | sag_ich_nicht | [Ammo] class? |
| 12:25.42 | sag_ich_nicht | rogue? |
| 12:25.45 | Punkie` | sag_ich_nicht: hint: he has autoattack on button 1 |
| 12:25.47 | sag_ich_nicht | victim. |
| 12:25.49 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50756 10FlexBar2/ (Button/Button.lua Button/Slashcommands.lua Slashcommands.lua): |
| 12:25.49 | CIA-12 | FlexBar2: |
| 12:25.49 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.49 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.49 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Punkie`: so do i |
| 12:25.57 | sag_ich_nicht | still a victim. |
| 12:26.01 | Punkie` | but he's a warlock |
| 12:26.05 | Punkie` | lolol |
| 12:26.08 | sag_ich_nicht | still a victim. |
| 12:26.22 | Punkie` | silence |
| 12:26.26 | sag_ich_nicht | (if i crit, in that case) |
| 12:26.27 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 12:26.38 | sag_ich_nicht | since when do i need to cast spells to crit? |
| 12:26.45 | sag_ich_nicht | and CS isn't a spell |
| 12:26.55 | Punkie` | what on earth are you talking about |
| 12:26.58 | sag_ich_nicht | when i crit he's oneshotted'd |
| 12:27.02 | Punkie` | i meant stfu |
| 12:32.10 | Arcaia | Rock is amazing. Damn. |
| 12:32.23 | Matrix110 | mirc sucks |
| 12:32.26 | CIA-12 | 03grum 07WIP * r50757 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/Core.lua: |
| 12:32.26 | CIA-12 | Cartographer_Routes: |
| 12:32.26 | CIA-12 | - adjusted some default settings (update_distance) |
| 12:32.26 | CIA-12 | - drycode-fix-part 2, it actually works now! (again blame Trell_) |
| 12:32.36 | Matrix110 | why is my mirc like lagging when i play wow in windowed mode |
| 12:32.57 | Matrix110 | scrolling/submitting etc. "lags" |
| 12:33.07 | Grum | because you give preference to 'foreground running programs' instead of 'background ones' :) |
| 12:33.20 | Arcaia | >.> |
| 12:33.28 | Matrix110 | yeah and mirc is in the foreground atm :P |
| 12:33.49 | Matrix110 | and its only in mirc no other prog |
| 12:33.55 | Grum | then you need to buy a better pc |
| 12:34.10 | Matrix110 | yeah sure |
| 12:34.15 | Matrix110 | Core 2 Quad is not enough :P |
| 12:34.35 | Grum | what OS are you running? :D |
| 12:34.35 | Trell_ | im on a AMD 3000, with wow in windowed |
| 12:34.38 | Matrix110 | XP |
| 12:34.43 | Trell_ | and i don't have any lag issues on either |
| 12:34.48 | Grum | me neither |
| 12:34.51 | Grum | l2installpcs! |
| 12:34.58 | Matrix110 | its installed properly:P |
| 12:35.07 | Matrix110 | and i didnt have that lag in the start |
| 12:35.13 | Matrix110 | it recently started with 2.2 |
| 12:35.20 | Megalon | perhaps you are enconding 4dvd's in the background? |
| 12:35.21 | Matrix110 | but i didnt change anything at my mirc client |
| 12:35.22 | Megalon | :x |
| 12:35.22 | Punkie` | get irssi or something :P |
| 12:35.31 | Matrix110 | nope Megalon :P |
| 12:35.43 | Matrix110 | running at ~24% CPU load from WoW |
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| 12:36.05 | Megalon | well if nothing changed but wow |
| 12:36.06 | Megalon | :c |
| 12:36.49 | Punkie` | Hjalte: I've got my character list now :) |
| 12:37.04 | Matrix110 | cba to get another irc client after getting used to mirc for over 5years:P |
| 12:37.10 | RaydenUnicyclist | http://www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/10/rig.jpg <-- i'm going to play in my living room from now on |
| 12:37.24 | CIA-12 | 03speeddymon * r50758 10simpleMinimap/ (localizations.lua modules/compass.lua simpleMinimap.lua): |
| 12:37.24 | CIA-12 | simpleMinimap: |
| 12:37.24 | CIA-12 | - Force the Blizzard Minimap North Tag to hide when the compass module is enabled |
| 12:37.24 | CIA-12 | - Added option to hide the Blizzard Minimap North Tag |
| 12:37.24 | CIA-12 | - Added selective hiding of the above option, so that when the compass module is |
| 12:37.25 | CIA-12 | enabled, you cannot select to show or hide the Blizzard Minimap North Tag (since |
| 12:37.29 | CIA-12 | that would just undo the forced hiding done by enabling the compass) |
| 12:38.00 | Hjalte | Punkie`: So did I :) |
| 12:38.04 | Matrix110 | lets see i changed it to background priority now |
| 12:38.16 | Matrix110 | i bet wow lags now:P |
| 12:38.23 | Matrix110 | hmmm |
| 12:38.27 | Matrix110 | nah mirc lags again |
| 12:38.31 | Matrix110 | blargh |
| 12:38.31 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics 07Popups * r50759 10FlexBar2/: FlexBar2: Remove branch, its outdated |
| 12:38.44 | Industrial | cncfanatics: so whens release? |
| 12:38.49 | Industrial | cncfanatics: fb site back up? |
| 12:38.52 | Industrial | etc?> |
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| 12:39.16 | RaydenUnicyclist | http://www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/10/hardcore.jpg <-- and this guy plays outside in the rain |
| 12:39.16 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics 07Popups * r50760 10FlexBar2/: Create up to date branch |
| 12:39.20 | cncfanatics | Industrial, release was, 2 days ago |
| 12:39.21 | Matrix110 | k this is the same as the "vent" bug |
| 12:39.23 | cncfanatics | its in stable version now |
| 12:39.28 | Matrix110 | if i start irc before wow it lags |
| 12:39.30 | cncfanatics | its staying on wowace for now, u'll see why soon, hopefully |
| 12:39.32 | Matrix110 | if i start it after wow it works |
| 12:39.54 | neenee | RaydenUnicyclist, It's not exactly outside where he is |
| 12:40.03 | RaydenUnicyclist | its open to the weather |
| 12:40.06 | Industrial | bah :< I liked the own site :< people got creative and all - and it doesnt have anything to do with wowace then |
| 12:40.08 | RaydenUnicyclist | its a balcony |
| 12:40.10 | neenee | Not to the rain from above |
| 12:40.30 | RaydenUnicyclist | if the wind is blowing he gets wet |
| 12:40.32 | RaydenUnicyclist | i'd call that outside |
| 12:40.33 | Industrial | RaydenUnicyclist: and he doesnt have his arms on the table == bad |
| 12:40.36 | neenee | I don't. |
| 12:40.46 | cncfanatics | Industrial, it will be up |
| 12:40.48 | RaydenUnicyclist | yeah his chair is much too low |
| 12:40.49 | neenee | You walk the dog outside. You don't walk it on a balcony |
| 12:40.49 | cncfanatics | just be patient :) |
| 12:40.52 | Industrial | ok :> |
| 12:41.00 | RaydenUnicyclist | but he's not "indoors" |
| 12:41.15 | RaydenUnicyclist | unless there is a third option between inside and outside, i'd say he is outside |
| 12:41.16 | kebinusan | Id be worried about humidity |
| 12:41.22 | neenee | He's on a balcony |
| 12:41.25 | RaydenUnicyclist | i'd be worried about the RAIN |
| 12:41.28 | Industrial | cncfanatics: flexbar tag? :D |
| 12:41.55 | cncfanatics | Industrial, eh ? |
| 12:41.56 | neenee | He won't be hit by rain as there's probably a balcony above him |
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| 12:42.34 | RaydenUnicyclist | but if its blowing he gets wet. that's what the umbrella is for |
| 12:42.34 | neenee | What I don't understand is what that umbrella is doing there. Perhaps it's just to show there's rain outside, past the balcony. |
| 12:42.34 | Industrial | cncfanatics: a tags/ release. |
| 12:42.42 | cncfanatics | Industrial, a branch :p |
| 12:42.43 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics 07Popups * r50761 10FlexBar2/FlexBar2/: Final command to branch, lets roll :p |
| 12:42.45 | cncfanatics | got no idea what tags is tbh |
| 12:42.48 | neenee | The umbrella is too far away to really help. |
| 12:43.02 | RaydenUnicyclist | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/02/reader-wowspace-of-the-week-2-3-wowspaces/ |
| 12:43.16 | TiGGaH | asking this again if someone knows: is there a way to increase refresh rate on Grid bars? |
| 12:43.18 | cncfanatics | Industrial, tags is actualy for stable releases ? :o |
| 12:43.34 | Industrial | yes, afaik |
| 12:43.35 | RaydenUnicyclist | maybe he picks it up when its raining |
| 12:43.35 | RaydenUnicyclist | otherwise it just sits there |
| 12:43.44 | evl | Ace is pretty much the only projects I know that don't offer stable builds :P |
| 12:43.52 | evl | trunk != nightly != stable |
| 12:43.56 | neenee | I think it's just a weird picture and there's nothing 'hardcore' about it. |
| 12:44.05 | RaydenUnicyclist | yeah |
| 12:44.06 | neenee | Just some guy on a balcony while it's raining outside. |
| 12:44.09 | kebinusan | evl, well Ideally people would tag release ready stuff |
| 12:44.11 | RaydenUnicyclist | yep |
| 12:44.23 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I'm actualy going to tag fb when its stable then |
| 12:44.30 | cncfanatics | stable for me = 1 week without a single bug reporty |
| 12:44.42 | backbone | AceOO: .uid -> how can i access this in a new object? it isnt already set when constructor calls? |
| 12:46.40 | RaydenUnicyclist | Mudder's Milk!! :D |
| 12:47.33 | cncfanatics | backbone, yes it is |
| 12:47.38 | cncfanatics | or u could find it out urself |
| 12:48.08 | backbone | self.uid == nil |
| 12:48.23 | backbone | in the contructor |
| 12:48.51 | backbone | i think its set when you call the superconstructor |
| 12:49.00 | Fisker- | Punkie` |
| 12:49.02 | Fisker- | i love little girls |
| 12:49.23 | Chompers | :O |
| 12:50.04 | backbone | but i have a line like: <class>.super.prototype.init(self, CreateFrame("type", "name" .. self.uid)) |
| 12:52.14 | backbone | so then .uid isnt set at this point |
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| 12:56.23 | backbone | no way to get this working? |
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| 12:58.18 | [Ammo] | backbone: looks like you're using it all wrong |
| 12:58.43 | [Ammo] | I don't know if there are any AceOO tutorials still on the wiki |
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| 12:58.46 | [Ammo] | but read up on those |
| 12:58.54 | backbone | i have |
| 12:58.56 | [Ammo] | the super init = call on parent class |
| 12:59.18 | [Ammo] | what you're looking for iss something like: |
| 12:59.22 | backbone | yeah and i think in the overall super class, the uid is set, isnt it? |
| 12:59.33 | [Ammo] | myClass.init = function( self, ... ) CreateFrame( ..... ) end |
| 12:59.35 | CIA-12 | 03rabbit * r50762 10DBMFTLBBQ/DBMFTLBBQ.lua: DBMFTLBBQ: Hopefully it works now. |
| 12:59.38 | vhaarr | Hjalte: update and try again please |
| 12:59.47 | backbone | no |
| 13:00.04 | JoshBorke | wtf is DBMFTLBBQ? |
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| 13:00.12 | [Ammo] | DBM version faker |
| 13:00.21 | Industrial | whats dbm? |
| 13:00.29 | [Ammo] | deadly boss mods |
| 13:00.32 | Industrial | o |
| 13:00.32 | [Ammo] | old la vendetta |
| 13:00.33 | JoshBorke | why can't we just call it that? |
| 13:00.43 | backbone | the super class of myClass is myClass2 |
| 13:00.45 | [Ammo] | because this is more fun |
| 13:00.57 | JoshBorke | if by more fun you mean more stupid, sure |
| 13:01.09 | elusif | does anyone know how to loosen the reigns in beerfest? |
| 13:01.17 | [Ammo] | well then: myClass.prototype.init = function( self, ... ) local f = CreateFrame(); self.super.prototype.init( self, f ) |
| 13:01.20 | [Ammo] | or something |
| 13:01.26 | [Ammo] | I have no clue what you're trying to accomplish atm |
| 13:01.26 | elusif | on the ram |
| 13:01.37 | backbone | and i want to do something in the supercontructor with the frame i created in the superconstructor call |
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| 13:01.57 | Fisker- | oh hi |
| 13:02.13 | Fisker- | COME ON |
| 13:02.16 | Fisker- | GIVE IT UP FOR MEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 13:02.17 | [AoC]Camci | been trying to find a screenshot of PitBull cant find it anywhere :S |
| 13:02.20 | Fisker- | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 13:02.23 | vhaarr | JoshBorke: the name signals all my thoughts on DBM in 9 letters, it's perfect |
| 13:02.40 | Silviu- | BBQ means ? |
| 13:02.40 | Silviu- | :D |
| 13:02.45 | vhaarr | that it's a joke |
| 13:02.58 | Silviu- | FTl = for the loose but rest .. ;p |
| 13:03.03 | [Ammo] | backbone: create the frame before the super call |
| 13:03.04 | backbone | [Ammo]: it works all fine, but i cant access the .uid, before the over superconstructor was called |
| 13:03.08 | Fisker- | barbeque of course |
| 13:03.15 | Fisker- | or barbaque |
| 13:03.21 | Silviu- | :)) |
| 13:03.30 | [Ammo] | backbone: or call a separate setup func afterwards |
| 13:03.35 | backbone | [Ammo]: i need the .uid only for naming the frame correctly |
| 13:03.37 | [Ammo] | create the frame when you actually need it |
| 13:03.45 | [Ammo] | instead of upon construction of your object |
| 13:04.20 | backbone | the class encapsulates frame (with behavior) |
| 13:04.30 | Fisker- | madness |
| 13:04.44 | cncfanatics | write ur own OO handler that does what u need ? |
| 13:04.47 | Punkie` | hey Fisker- |
| 13:04.48 | cncfanatics | u could use the frame as object tbh |
| 13:04.49 | [Ammo] | you can create a frame and then slap the class on it with AceOO |
| 13:04.52 | Punkie` | grats on your love for little girls |
| 13:04.59 | [Ammo] | look at UIQuery-1.0 the lib |
| 13:05.01 | [Ammo] | it uses something like that |
| 13:05.10 | cncfanatics | [Ammo], why not use the frame as an object ? |
| 13:05.18 | Fisker- | hey Punkie` |
| 13:05.22 | Fisker- | thanks |
| 13:05.25 | Punkie` | nps |
| 13:05.28 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: same thing, other way around |
| 13:05.30 | Fisker- | loli became pedobear |
| 13:05.35 | [Ammo] | or you could just not name the frame and keep it nameless |
| 13:05.44 | [Ammo] | since you have your objects anyway |
| 13:05.44 | backbone | yeah so its atm |
| 13:06.30 | backbone | where comes the .uid from? can i get it from AceOO? |
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| 13:06.45 | backbone | i'll try this ^^ |
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| 13:08.28 | haarm | good afternoon boys and girls |
| 13:09.14 | Fisker- | PUNKIES WHYS MY BREWFEST NOT UJPPUP_! |
| 13:09.15 | Fisker- | ? |
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| 13:13.28 | haarm | guys, I'd like some advice, been working on something and have the guts of it pretty much working, but having a bit of trouble with the interface... I basically need to make a timeline that actions can be dragged on/off and configured to do certain things as the timeline is "played" |
| 13:14.16 | sag_ich_nicht | what. |
| 13:14.20 | cncfanatics | is it even possible to do that ? |
| 13:14.24 | cncfanatics | u can't run actions OnEvent |
| 13:14.41 | haarm | actions was a generic catchall for what the mod does |
| 13:15.00 | cncfanatics | do u mean just printing stuff & things ? |
| 13:15.05 | haarm | similar to that |
| 13:15.05 | cncfanatics | because if u mean spells / items its not possible |
| 13:15.12 | haarm | ofc i don't mean spells |
| 13:15.35 | sylvanaar | good morning |
| 13:15.46 | cncfanatics | hello |
| 13:15.49 | sylvanaar | hey haarm - long time no see |
| 13:15.56 | haarm | hey sylv, hows things? |
| 13:16.15 | haarm | sorry i haven't been spamming you with bugs for a while :P |
| 13:16.43 | sylvanaar | thats ok - Prat is happily quite stable |
| 13:17.21 | haarm | cncfanatics, if you ever used something like flash, where it has a timeline with "things" on it, that get executed as the movie plays, i'm looking to create that kind of interface |
| 13:17.25 | sylvanaar | how about yourself |
| 13:17.47 | haarm | yea, decided to work on something again, so i thought i'd pop in to pick some brains |
| 13:17.53 | haarm | not bad though, thanks |
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| 13:18.22 | xyu` | Good morning all you morning people and evil foreigners. |
| 13:18.24 | cncfanatics | haarm, aah I see |
| 13:19.21 | haarm | not really sure how i should go about doing it, if i should be making reusable "blocks" and recycling them etc as one is scrolled off the screen and a new one appears, blah blah |
| 13:19.37 | cncfanatics | haarm, u should make a generic delet & create function |
| 13:19.44 | cncfanatics | in flexbar, my delete function moves a button to the cache |
| 13:19.46 | cncfanatics | and hides it |
| 13:19.57 | cncfanatics | and the create func tries to pull one from the cache, and if it can't it'll create a new one |
| 13:20.10 | haarm | ok, sounds like a good start |
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| 13:20.27 | haarm | is there any kind of frame recycling library already available? |
| 13:21.38 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50763 10FlexBar2/Button/Slashcommands.lua: |
| 13:21.38 | CIA-12 | FlexBar2: |
| 13:21.38 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.38 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:23.12 | elusif | has anyone bought a beerfest ram yet? |
| 13:23.23 | deltron | it'll be a while |
| 13:23.27 | haarm | didn't they limit the tickets available through daily quests? |
| 13:23.28 | deltron | you need a ton of tickets iirc |
| 13:23.47 | neenee | The ram, is it ever-lasting? |
| 13:24.15 | JoshBork1 | yes, it's ever-lasting, and yes tickets are limited by daily quests |
| 13:24.42 | ramoz | do you get 11g 99s per quest? |
| 13:24.54 | neenee | Might be a good way to get my level 56 hunter's ram |
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| 13:25.44 | Industrial | wait what, everyone gets a ram? |
| 13:25.50 | Industrial | (I saw a level 9 on a ram) |
| 13:26.02 | JoshBork1 | you get to ride a ram for the daily quest |
| 13:26.02 | TiGGaH | quest ram, temporary |
| 13:26.08 | Industrial | ah |
| 13:26.09 | Industrial | :< |
| 13:26.11 | JoshBork1 | but you can purchase a permanent ram for 600 tickets |
| 13:26.19 | dreamss | level capped? |
| 13:26.23 | Industrial | level restriccted? |
| 13:26.25 | Ailleus | not a lot to farm tho |
| 13:26.25 | Tornhoof | half the quests are bugged though |
| 13:26.28 | JoshBork1 | probably |
| 13:26.31 | Industrial | mm |
| 13:26.34 | Industrial | im 35 now :< |
| 13:26.38 | Tornhoof | lvl 40 mount |
| 13:26.39 | JoshBork1 | the quest ram probably requires the riding skill to use |
| 13:26.44 | Tornhoof | the ques is 40 as requirement |
| 13:26.50 | Industrial | fs |
| 13:26.56 | Tornhoof | you can get the normal and an epic one |
| 13:27.15 | xyu` | any pics of this ram? |
| 13:27.26 | Industrial | just a brown ram |
| 13:27.28 | TiGGaH | mmm-champion.com |
| 13:27.28 | xyu` | oh |
| 13:27.28 | deltron | mmo-champion.com |
| 13:27.33 | deltron | TiGGaH: jinx |
| 13:27.33 | TiGGaH | mmo* |
| 13:27.43 | deltron | oh wait I win :D |
| 13:27.49 | TiGGaH | :p |
| 13:27.50 | TiGGaH | ! |
| 13:27.52 | deltron | lol |
| 13:28.10 | TiGGaH | well it looks better than Maghar goat |
| 13:28.25 | deltron | space zebra you mean? |
| 13:28.26 | ramoz | NO |
| 13:28.35 | ramoz | maghar pony owns! |
| 13:28.42 | neenee | Hm |
| 13:28.43 | neenee | 600 tickets |
| 13:28.48 | neenee | That's quite easy I think |
| 13:29.16 | Mech0z_ | Anyone know how to complete the quest where you need to spread the word? |
| 13:29.27 | Mech0z_ | I ride next to those things inside IF but nothing happens |
| 13:29.32 | Trell_ | bugged on EU realms |
| 13:29.42 | Ailleus | Well yeah, but since for example i have 5 mounts already (4 pvp ones) its kinda waste of space to get another and another ... |
| 13:29.47 | Mech0z_ | Trell_, :( |
| 13:29.48 | Trell_ | as is the Elekk one |
| 13:30.13 | Mech0z_ | I got the pet if thats what your talking about |
| 13:31.15 | dreamss | any news on the epic cen exp mount? |
| 13:31.24 | dreamss | i wanna see what it looks like |
| 13:31.33 | Ailleus | Btw, since i dont see off thread in forum, is tipbuddy supported by tattle? cant get it to work:| |
| 13:32.12 | CIA-12 | 03andyca * r50764 10CastYeller/announces/ (paladin.lua priest.lua shaman.lua): CastYeller: modify zhTW announces |
| 13:32.15 | Industrial | heh broom flying mount :-) |
| 13:33.08 | Grum | how do you get the new pets/broom mount?! O.o |
| 13:33.22 | Trell_ | broom mount is headless horseman |
| 13:33.27 | Trell_ | 18th, SM GY |
| 13:33.42 | Trell_ | new ram mount is 600 tickets + 100g for epic from brefest quests |
| 13:33.46 | Trell_ | *brewfest |
| 13:33.53 | CIA-12 | 03jerry * r50765 10Talented/other.lua: Talented: open the Talented frame after reception, if it was closed. |
| 13:33.55 | Grum | i heard something about an invisible pet! |
| 13:34.01 | Trell_ | yeah thats a brewfest quest too |
| 13:34.03 | dreamss | new minipet pupkin is from horseman |
| 13:34.16 | Industrial | and thats L70 only? |
| 13:34.18 | Trell_ | the pumpkin isn't invisible tho :P |
| 13:34.38 | Punkie` | lvl 70 only yeah afaik |
| 13:34.45 | neenee | Hm. Yeah, too bad the brewfast ram is almost the same as the gray ram |
| 13:34.55 | Trell_ | what? |
| 13:35.00 | Trell_ | it doesn't look like the racing rams? |
| 13:35.08 | neenee | It oes |
| 13:35.09 | neenee | *does |
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| 13:35.25 | Mech0z_ | annyoing you cant complete the race thign :( |
| 13:35.31 | Mech0z_ | I want my 50 tictics |
| 13:35.32 | Trell_ | you can complete the race |
| 13:35.39 | Punkie` | the lowest broom is lvl 40 tho |
| 13:35.42 | Trell_ | its the barleybrew ones you cant on EU |
| 13:35.55 | Trell_ | 'bark for barleybrew' or w/e they're called |
| 13:36.32 | Mech0z_ | Yep thats the one I am at |
| 13:36.39 | winkiller | Trell_: neither voodoo nor drohn works on EU.-Agggramar Horde |
| 13:36.43 | Mech0z_ | btw is it a random time every our that we get attacked? |
| 13:36.51 | Mech0z_ | by dark iron dwarfs thati s |
| 13:36.53 | Trell_ | i don't believe so |
| 13:37.03 | Trell_ | every half past each hour so far on my server |
| 13:37.05 | CIA-12 | 03xinhuan 07WIP * r50766 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/Core.lua: |
| 13:37.05 | CIA-12 | Cartographer_Routes: |
| 13:37.05 | CIA-12 | Bugfix for occasional error on line 174 |
| 13:37.05 | Mech0z_ | well we just had it |
| 13:37.07 | Mech0z_ | ok |
| 13:37.17 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan |
| 13:37.20 | cncfanatics | IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS ? :p |
| 13:37.25 | Trell_ | winkiller: voodoo? drohn? |
| 13:37.35 | winkiller | the horde bark quests |
| 13:37.40 | Trell_ | ah yes |
| 13:37.45 | Trell_ | all EU barking quests are bugged |
| 13:37.46 | winkiller | bark for voodoo something or bark for drohn |
| 13:37.57 | winkiller | yeah, we noticed :P |
| 13:38.01 | Trell_ | gm reply: We are aware of the issue, and are looking into it. We understand your frustration. |
| 13:38.06 | cncfanatics | (eek, sorry for caps lock) |
| 13:38.17 | Industrial | IM NOT WHAT IS IT |
| 13:38.26 | Industrial | :p |
| 13:38.29 | Trell_ | Cartographer_Routes=pure win |
| 13:38.40 | Industrial | i didnt ask how win it was, what is it? |
| 13:38.46 | Trell_ | it's win. |
| 13:38.49 | Trell_ | quite obviously. |
| 13:39.07 | Trell_ | it plots a line between your nodes in a zone |
| 13:39.09 | Industrial | thats a property not a description |
| 13:39.15 | Trell_ | and puts it on your map and minimap |
| 13:39.16 | Industrial | k. |
| 13:39.25 | Trell_ | so you can just follow the route |
| 13:39.27 | Industrial | do I need ZOMGROCK for it? |
| 13:39.44 | Trell_ | you can config it through rock, as to whether you *need* rock for it, I have no idea |
| 13:40.01 | cncfanatics | you need it for carto |
| 13:40.17 | [Ammo] | or get CartoAce |
| 13:40.24 | cncfanatics | why would you downgrade ur libs ? |
| 13:40.28 | cncfanatics | Rock > Ace2 |
| 13:40.52 | [Ammo] | I would not call rock config an upgrade |
| 13:40.55 | Industrial | ^ |
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| 13:41.26 | [Ammo] | and Rock == Ace2 just with DBC and unittest sauce |
| 13:41.39 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 13:41.43 | cncfanatics | yeaaaa right |
| 13:41.51 | cncfanatics | u ever benchmarked both with the same addon ? |
| 13:41.51 | [Ammo] | check the code |
| 13:41.54 | cncfanatics | u should try really |
| 13:42.23 | cncfanatics | try benchmarking both on the same addon |
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| 13:42.35 | [Ammo] | I know |
| 13:43.03 | [Ammo] | and euhm the timer events for instance are faster due to using Mikk's new solution |
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| 13:43.07 | cncfanatics | then they're not the same obviously ? |
| 13:43.11 | [Ammo] | sigh |
| 13:43.16 | Gnarfoz | http://image.to/out.php/i12588_adminit.jpg |
| 13:43.25 | cncfanatics | don't sigh on me, timers is far from the only thing thats faster |
| 13:43.36 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: I would, but would I care? |
| 13:43.42 | Chompers | jailtime for me Gnarfoz |
| 13:44.14 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: I know it improved on some parts and I never denied that |
| 13:44.27 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: but it's basically the same structure, same bloat, same old same old |
| 13:44.30 | evl | <[Ammo]> cncfanatics: I know it improved on some pants and I never denied that |
| 13:44.32 | [Ammo] | it's nothing innovative |
| 13:44.33 | evl | this man is telling LIES |
| 13:44.43 | Ellipsis | why does a framework have to be innovative to be good? |
| 13:44.50 | Ellipsis | can't it just be an improvement? |
| 13:44.56 | Industrial | because else ther'd be no reason to write it |
| 13:44.59 | [Ammo] | it could have been Ace2 that was fixed |
| 13:45.04 | [Ammo] | instead of creating a fixed copy |
| 13:45.13 | cncfanatics | its not backwards compatible ? |
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| 13:45.50 | [Ammo] | anyway, enjoy your Rock, I'll happily provide the fixes for Carto to the Rock version as well |
| 13:46.07 | cncfanatics | hmmm, what fixes btw ? :o |
| 13:46.09 | Industrial | cncfanatics: dat is een gevolg geen rede (don't know this in english >_>, gevolg - or just cant find the words) |
| 13:46.22 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: blinking icons fixed, instance maps fixed |
| 13:46.27 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 13:46.32 | cncfanatics | I'm lvl 26 so never noticed those heh |
| 13:46.48 | cncfanatics | either way [Ammo], why did u even branch it back to ace ? u admitted urself Rock is better then Ace2 |
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| 13:47.05 | [Ammo] | because I don't want to run duplicate nonframework libs |
| 13:47.06 | Industrial | cncfanatics: trunk/cartoace |
| 13:47.26 | [Ammo] | and because I don't want to spam my talents over the addon channel |
| 13:47.33 | cncfanatics | lol, armory lol ? |
| 13:47.37 | Ellipsis | but [Ammo], do you have difficulty updating your addons from branches rather than trunk? |
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| 13:47.49 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: I don't but now WAU users have it as well |
| 13:47.53 | [Ammo] | everyone wins |
| 13:48.07 | [Ammo] | you even benefit from our fixes |
| 13:48.15 | Ellipsis | I do? me, personally? |
| 13:48.16 | Ellipsis | cool! |
| 13:48.30 | [Ammo] | you have nice colored groupmembers on the map now don't you? |
| 13:48.51 | Ellipsis | you're assuming I use Cartographer (either version) |
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| 13:48.56 | [Ammo] | I do |
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| 13:48.57 | cncfanatics | bah, I got some arts work to do |
| 13:48.58 | cncfanatics | lets get working |
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| 13:50.50 | Towbar | anyone here got crap framerates since 2.2 with a creative sound card? and choppy sound too? |
| 13:51.00 | CIA-12 | 03xinhuan 07WIP * r50768 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/ (Core.lua TSP.lua): Cartographer_Routes: Change the argument list to TSP:SolveTSP() to allow for future flexibility |
| 13:51.02 | Towbar | I got a fix for it if you want |
| 13:51.12 | [Ammo] | Towbar: I don't think I do |
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| 13:51.14 | [Ammo] | sounds is fine |
| 13:51.22 | [Ammo] | just that blizzard fucks up the ventrilo codex sometimes |
| 13:51.22 | Towbar | you got a creative card? |
| 13:51.26 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 13:51.36 | [Ammo] | and when I speak, my wow sounds get transmitted as well |
| 13:51.48 | [Ammo] | requires bloody computer restart and start vent first, then wow |
| 13:51.52 | Towbar | yea you have to open vent and join it first to fix that |
| 13:51.55 | Towbar | then open wow |
| 13:51.56 | Towbar | HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CreativeTech\Emu10kx\DriverSettings\Wave\Pin#00000002 |
| 13:51.58 | [Ammo] | fucked up |
| 13:52.06 | Towbar | Change the Turbo value from 1 to 0. |
| 13:52.11 | Megalon | hm |
| 13:52.18 | Towbar | and that will greatly improve your sound and framerates |
| 13:52.18 | CIA-12 | 03poull * r50769 10SmartRes/ (SmartRes-enUS.lua SmartRes-zhCN.lua SmartResOptions.lua): SmartRes: Updated zhCN localization. |
| 13:52.32 | [Ammo] | Towbar: I use an ancient PCI creative card |
| 13:52.33 | Towbar | a creative employee posted it on a firum |
| 13:52.42 | [Ammo] | will that matter for me? |
| 13:52.44 | Towbar | audigy seris? |
| 13:52.47 | [Ammo] | no |
| 13:52.49 | [Ammo] | before that :) |
| 13:52.58 | Towbar | kk |
| 13:53.00 | [Ammo] | I think the card is 10 years old this year |
| 13:53.04 | Towbar | doubt it will matter then |
| 13:53.16 | Towbar | sound blaster live? |
| 13:53.20 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 13:53.26 | [Ammo] | or pro even |
| 13:53.27 | Towbar | check for tht registtry key though |
| 13:53.31 | [Ammo] | will do |
| 13:53.38 | CIA-12 | 03ananhaid * r50770 10simpleMinimap/localizations.lua: |
| 13:53.38 | CIA-12 | simpleMinimap: |
| 13:53.38 | CIA-12 | - zhCN & zhTW Updated |
| 13:53.46 | [Ammo] | I use the creative for my headset and onboard for the winamp |
| 13:53.51 | Towbar | my framerate on kael adds aoe went from 11 to 45 |
| 13:53.55 | Towbar | after changin that |
| 13:53.57 | [Ammo] | hmm |
| 13:54.04 | [Ammo] | I do have worse fps on aoe |
| 13:54.09 | [Ammo] | and in busy situations |
| 13:54.22 | [Ammo] | I'll check it out :) |
| 13:54.26 | Towbar | :) |
| 13:55.04 | Towbar | wiped on kael ALL night last night |
| 13:55.09 | Towbar | 4 hrs of wiping |
| 13:55.12 | evl | wow |
| 13:55.13 | evl | poor you |
| 13:55.18 | evl | most wipe for 4 weeks :P |
| 13:55.19 | Towbar | i tried to tell them 8 new people to fight was a bad idea |
| 13:55.21 | evl | so get used to it |
| 13:55.24 | sylvanaar | frankly the talent thing is freaking great |
| 13:55.27 | Towbar | we have killed him before |
| 13:55.32 | evl | ah, then it sucks :D |
| 13:55.36 | Towbar | indeed.. |
| 13:55.58 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it's a bit silly, similar to the LOOT_OPENED in AceEvent |
| 13:56.02 | sylvanaar | no |
| 13:56.20 | [Ammo] | it might be ok if it was an option |
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| 13:56.22 | [Ammo] | but it isn't |
| 13:56.24 | sylvanaar | no |
| 13:56.24 | [Ammo] | it's just there |
| 13:56.37 | sylvanaar | i can look you up on armory |
| 13:56.38 | [Ammo] | and where does it stop? |
| 13:56.41 | [Ammo] | you can |
| 13:57.00 | sylvanaar | but this is 10x better |
| 13:57.18 | [Ammo] | george orwell would be proud of you |
| 13:57.23 | sylvanaar | add to that, it works with talented |
| 13:57.32 | sylvanaar | blame blizzard [Ammo] |
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| 13:57.38 | sylvanaar | i didnt ask for armory |
| 13:57.41 | Towbar | whats teh syntax to tell purl the creative fix? |
| 13:57.53 | Towbar | cause i know a few others yesterday had the same problems i did |
| 13:58.06 | Towbar | purl, creative fix is <reply> ??? |
| 13:58.08 | purl | okay, Towbar |
| 13:58.09 | sylvanaar | but since its there, might as well use it |
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| 13:58.49 | sylvanaar | and i dont need a keylogger with rock, i can right click on a playerlink (if i am using talented) and see that player's talent spec in a talent window |
| 13:58.50 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: where will you stop though? |
| 13:58.51 | cncfanatics | [Ammo], quit the game cuz blizz added armory, please ? |
| 13:59.03 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: I'm ok with armory |
| 13:59.11 | Towbar | no, purl, creative fix is <reply> Open your registry editor and navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CreativeTech\Emu10kx\DriverSettings\Wave\Pin#00000002 ", then change the Turbo value from 1 to 0, then reboot. |
| 13:59.13 | cncfanatics | its exactly the same, just spares us 3 clicks |
| 13:59.16 | [Ammo] | I just don't want to broadcast my talents, just because somoene else 'might' use it |
| 13:59.23 | Towbar | purl, creative fix is <reply> Open your registry editor and navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CreativeTech\Emu10kx\DriverSettings\Wave\Pin#00000002 ", then change the Turbo value from 1 to 0, then reboot. |
| 13:59.24 | purl | ...but creative fix is already something else... |
| 13:59.32 | Towbar | purl, creativefix is <reply> Open your registry editor and navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CreativeTech\Emu10kx\DriverSettings\Wave\Pin#00000002 ", then change the Turbo value from 1 to 0, then reboot. |
| 13:59.32 | purl | Towbar: okay |
| 13:59.33 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] ok, so you make them look em up? |
| 13:59.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Towbar what is that. |
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| 13:59.47 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: the idea is pull vs push |
| 13:59.57 | [Ammo] | if I install an addon that shares my talents on request sure |
| 13:59.57 | sylvanaar | its pull |
| 14:00.01 | [Ammo] | request my talents |
| 14:00.05 | [Ammo] | but I have no choice in this matter |
| 14:00.10 | Towbar | sag_ich_nicht: thats a fix for ceative sound card owners getting crappy framerates in wow with new sound engine |
| 14:00.16 | sylvanaar | it asks you answer |
| 14:00.17 | cncfanatics | u do, comment out the god damn talent broadcast code |
| 14:00.24 | Towbar | creative* |
| 14:00.25 | cncfanatics | its not like it spams them every 3 sec |
| 14:00.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Towbar i figured that. that's not what i asked. i asked what it is, i.e. what does it change, setting wise |
| 14:00.44 | Hjalte | vhaarr, my friend says that the others can't see his false DBM with the newest version of DBMFTLBBQ r50762 |
| 14:00.48 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: lets add bag content broadcasting, reputation standing broadcasting etc |
| 14:00.54 | sag_ich_nicht | surely, the creative drivers don't have a "lag WoW" flag that needs to be disabled |
| 14:01.11 | Towbar | <sag_ich_nicht> Towbar what is that. |
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| 14:01.14 | [Ammo] | what I'm saying is, where does it end? |
| 14:01.16 | Towbar | was a bit vague |
| 14:01.24 | cncfanatics | [Ammo]; everything can be looked up in the armory |
| 14:01.27 | Towbar | it changes teh way the sound card processes sound |
| 14:01.32 | haarm | can i get officer chat broadcasting? because i'm paranoid ;x |
| 14:01.36 | Nandini | that's actually a fix that should work for win2k/xp users, i think the creative person said it changes how streams are buffered for playback |
| 14:01.46 | alext | Towbar: is there a thread or site that talks about that? |
| 14:01.52 | sag_ich_nicht | link |
| 14:02.00 | sylvanaar | where is the broadcasting code, let me look |
| 14:02.01 | CIA-12 | 03xinhuan 07WIP * r50772 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/: Cartographer_Routes: Add tsvn:logtemplate property so I don't have to keep typing that addon prefix |
| 14:02.03 | sag_ich_nicht | i want technical details before i change anything :X |
| 14:02.13 | Towbar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2040218483&sid=1 |
| 14:02.18 | [Ammo] | my problem is, the talent broadcast, like the LOOT_OPENED is hidden inside a core lib |
| 14:02.23 | [Ammo] | users don't know they're doing it |
| 14:02.26 | sylvanaar | good |
| 14:02.30 | [Ammo] | bad |
| 14:02.34 | elusif | at level 10 will i be able to buy a beerfest ram and keep it in the bank? |
| 14:02.45 | sylvanaar | no good, because turning it off is pointless |
| 14:02.46 | [Ammo] | I'll sneak in broadcasting your whispers kk |
| 14:02.57 | Towbar | works on audigy 2 or newer |
| 14:02.57 | sylvanaar | its not private information |
| 14:02.59 | alext | Towbar: thank you sir |
| 14:03.01 | alext | ! |
| 14:03.04 | Towbar | most welcome |
| 14:03.13 | cncfanatics | [Ammo ], its public information made accessible easyer |
| 14:03.16 | sylvanaar | and should be in the freaking blizz api |
| 14:03.18 | Towbar | worked for me and 7 or 8 guildies last night |
| 14:03.19 | cncfanatics | not private info |
| 14:03.29 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: then petition for an API call |
| 14:03.36 | sylvanaar | no |
| 14:03.39 | sylvanaar | waste of time |
| 14:03.45 | [Ammo] | not really |
| 14:03.53 | haarm | tbh, if I get this gist of this conversation, gonna have to side with ammo, I wouldn't like stuff being broadcast without me knowing, if people want to look it up, thats fine, but things being broadcast without me knowing is kinda uncool |
| 14:03.57 | sag_ich_nicht | oh, so he randomly toggled it? |
| 14:04.01 | sylvanaar | yeah, because i have to deal with forumcrats |
| 14:04.38 | sylvanaar | haarm blizzard makes it available without your control |
| 14:04.44 | cncfanatics | [Ammo], u'd have blizz for the api call then ? |
| 14:04.50 | cncfanatics | cuz its also without users knowing |
| 14:04.57 | cncfanatics | but no u wouldn't, its just cuz its in Rock |
| 14:05.16 | [Ammo] | cncfanatics: if blizzard feels it necessary to give that information via an API fine |
| 14:05.23 | [Ammo] | I can already request your honor kills etc via the honor tab |
| 14:05.33 | cncfanatics | [Ammo], so basicly |
| 14:05.38 | alext | chiming in on this broadcast thing....Dotimer used to have an issue with their communication module |
| 14:05.38 | cncfanatics | blizz = god, ckknight = devil ? |
| 14:05.42 | cncfanatics | thats what ur saying |
| 14:05.43 | haarm | where is the code hiding so i can hax it out? |
| 14:05.50 | alext | it would broadcast dot timers over the raid addon channel by default |
| 14:05.54 | [Ammo] | my problem is with broadcasting it without the user knowing, just because they installed Cartographer for instance |
| 14:05.57 | alext | it was horrible |
| 14:06.05 | [Ammo] | install cartographer and all of a sudden your talents go over the wire? |
| 14:06.08 | [Ammo] | that's just weird |
| 14:06.16 | [Ammo] | my problem is not with it being in Rock |
| 14:06.24 | [Ammo] | I'd agitate against it if it was in Ace2 as well |
| 14:06.27 | cncfanatics | [Ammo], so, if blizz included it in the default API, whats the difference ? its not non coders actualy read the API changes |
| 14:06.29 | Stanzilla2 | your talents are on armory |
| 14:06.37 | [Ammo] | and if others hadn't stopped me the LOOT_OPENED would be gone from AceEvent |
| 14:06.42 | Stanzilla2 | it's just for the lazy people that dont want to open a browser |
| 14:06.49 | sylvanaar | sorry, its publicly available information, and the only other in game solution would require a keylogger |
| 14:07.16 | [Ammo] | another ingame solution would be to include an option to turn it off? |
| 14:07.22 | [Ammo] | or at least make it known |
| 14:07.31 | sylvanaar | no |
| 14:07.31 | Megalon | cartographer broadcasts your specc? |
| 14:07.33 | Stanzilla2 | [Ammo]: can you turn off armory? |
| 14:07.41 | sylvanaar | turn off armory |
| 14:07.53 | Megalon | ah, you mean getting it with armory crawling |
| 14:07.55 | [Ammo] | you're not using a valid argument |
| 14:08.08 | sylvanaar | otherwise i can just use clipboard sniffing and a background process |
| 14:08.08 | [Ammo] | Megalon: no, RockComm broadcasts your talent spec to anyone who wants to know |
| 14:08.13 | [Ammo] | RockComm is included in Cartographer |
| 14:08.18 | [Ammo] | hence Cartographer broadcasts your talents |
| 14:08.24 | Megalon | rofl? |
| 14:08.26 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: fine, do that |
| 14:08.32 | kebinusan | Any idea why the carto_group colors still flash on the battle map? |
| 14:08.34 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: just read my arguments |
| 14:08.42 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] i did, they are baseless |
| 14:08.44 | [Ammo] | kebinusan: they flash aggro inactive and dead |
| 14:08.59 | Wobin | They also flash for in combat, don't they? |
| 14:09.05 | Wobin | duh =P |
| 14:09.07 | Wobin | 'aggro' =P |
| 14:09.09 | kebinusan | on the battle map they seem to flash always |
| 14:09.12 | [Ammo] | I mean combat |
| 14:09.15 | Trell_ | [Ammo] - whats the problem you have with it? As has been said, I could just alt tab and check someones talent spec - it would just take me longer than mousover'ing them |
| 14:09.15 | kebinusan | fairly rapidly |
| 14:09.16 | [Ammo] | usually people are in combat |
| 14:09.23 | m4rku5 | Ammo, lol ? what else does RockComm broadcast ? |
| 14:09.24 | kebinusan | worldmap is a different story |
| 14:09.38 | [Ammo] | Trell_: my problem is with the choice in the matter |
| 14:09.46 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 14:10.02 | [Ammo] | Trell_: MY game is broadcasting it without me knowning, what else will it broadcast next? |
| 14:10.13 | Trell_ | you're inside leg measurement |
| 14:10.15 | Trell_ | *your |
| 14:10.22 | sag_ich_nicht | will have to talk to the kx guys about this fix |
| 14:10.25 | Nandini | perhaps RockComm should also broadcast my weapon and defense skills, so people don't have to look them up |
| 14:10.27 | Trell_ | ok ok I see your point, its happening wihtout you knowing |
| 14:10.29 | Wobin | That depends on if you dress to the left or the right |
| 14:10.29 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] so you want this: "Ammo what is your spec?", "I'm not telling" |
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| 14:10.41 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: no I'll happily tell people |
| 14:10.47 | sylvanaar | or lie |
| 14:10.48 | Megalon | it alrady sux to delete the LOOT_OPENED every update of aceevent |
| 14:10.55 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: or lie indeed |
| 14:11.21 | Nandini | what's to stop me from creating a fake RockComm and broadcasting a talent build that is not my own? |
| 14:11.29 | sylvanaar | now i can right click on someone in LFG, and it pops up their talents in a talent viewer |
| 14:11.32 | sylvanaar | nothing |
| 14:11.35 | m4rku5 | umm whats so bad about LOOT_OPENED ? |
| 14:11.49 | Nandini | or broadcasting some dirty data that i find causes other players' RockComm to choke? :) |
| 14:11.54 | sylvanaar | Nandini and the minute someone double checks you are blacklisted on your server |
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| 14:12.42 | kebinusan | Why would it send talent info, shouldnt it just be a lib used for addons to do that kind of crap.. seems something odd to have the guts of a framework |
| 14:13.23 | Nandini | i agree that it seems harmless, but it is unexpected behavior that i think users should be aware of and potentially be able to control |
| 14:13.23 | sylvanaar | I tried to write an addon to act as an info hub kebinusan - you want to know how much support I got for that |
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| 14:13.40 | [Ammo] | less than zero I bet Sylvanaar |
| 14:13.52 | kebinusan | makes me wonder if that could be something thats causing my DC's when I join AV, just about every time I join I DC |
| 14:13.59 | Wobin | less than zero would require that sylvanaar didn't really want to do it either =P |
| 14:14.05 | sylvanaar | yeah, yet its functionality has been duplicated by loads of addons |
| 14:14.33 | haarm | loads of optional addons |
| 14:14.38 | sylvanaar | no, not realy |
| 14:14.57 | Wobin | when is an addon -not- optional? |
| 14:15.11 | JoshBork1 | when it's LightHeaded ;-P |
| 14:15.13 | Nandini | when it's cartographer :P |
| 14:15.22 | haarm | seems having your talents broadcast isn't optional, if you use something like pitbull or cartographer |
| 14:15.23 | cncfanatics | when [Ammo] supports it, Wobin ? |
| 14:15.33 | Wobin | cart broadcasts your guild position |
| 14:15.40 | Wobin | I remember lots of people complaining about that =) |
| 14:15.41 | sylvanaar | sorry, the functionality is not optional in those addons |
| 14:15.45 | [Ammo] | yeah that broadcast of guild position needs to be optional as well |
| 14:15.49 | sylvanaar | but the addon itself i guess is |
| 14:15.54 | [Ammo] | *notes down on cartoace todo* |
| 14:16.04 | Grum | *why* do we have carto-ace? |
| 14:16.11 | kebinusan | Eh, I admit that Ive used it to call people out for pretending to be AFK |
| 14:16.13 | JoshBork1 | because i don't want to run rock based addons |
| 14:16.27 | Wobin | So you can use WAU to get it |
| 14:16.32 | Grum | so you just make a split ? |
| 14:16.34 | Nandini | even if it's not optional, i don't think it would be a bad idea for ANY addon which transmits data to other players to at least briefly describe it, so players can make an informed decision |
| 14:16.38 | [Ammo] | Grum: yup |
| 14:16.43 | Wobin | Nandini: indeed |
| 14:16.48 | Grum | isn't that completely retarded? |
| 14:16.52 | [Ammo] | nope it's not |
| 14:17.00 | sylvanaar | Nandini that was the whole purpose of the addon i made the "info-hub" |
| 14:17.14 | Stanzilla2 | Grum: for [Ammo] to live out his paranoia |
| 14:17.17 | Grum | lol, explain me how that is not? O.o |
| 14:17.20 | steev64 | is there a way with pitbull to show the casting bar of target of target? |
| 14:17.27 | JoshBork1 | no |
| 14:17.40 | [Ammo] | Stanzilla2: some people like to be in control of what happens |
| 14:17.47 | Towbar | yes there is |
| 14:17.48 | Wobin | steev64: I don't think that's actually given by the client |
| 14:17.50 | Towbar | i have it on |
| 14:17.52 | Wobin | Or maybe not =) |
| 14:18.04 | Nandini | even if that control is limited to the decision whether or not to install the addon, it's helpful |
| 14:18.10 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: add your infohub to rockcomm |
| 14:18.11 | JoshBork1 | events aren't triggered for targettarget unless it can be resolved to a primary unit |
| 14:18.24 | haarm | steev64, nope, but you can get it to show target of targets talents if you like :D |
| 14:18.28 | [Ammo] | JoshBork1: it's possible with polling |
| 14:18.33 | Towbar | targets target : bars : castbar : on |
| 14:18.38 | [Ammo] | you can do UnitChannelInfo( "targettarget" ) |
| 14:18.40 | JoshBork1 | ammoo: true |
| 14:18.42 | [Ammo] | or whatever the API call is |
| 14:18.50 | Grum | so are all addons going to be compatible with cartoace? |
| 14:18.58 | Nandini | think of our poor friends in brazil with crappy bandwidth, acecomm and rockcomm do a good job of marshalling traffic, but sometimes you may want to tweak that to use none |
| 14:18.59 | JoshBork1 | what do you mean by compatible? |
| 14:19.10 | Grum | exactly what i say, compatible |
| 14:19.24 | JoshBork1 | do you mean cartographer modules? |
| 14:19.25 | Wobin | It's the Ace2 version |
| 14:19.28 | Grum | you fork cartographer, are you going to maintain compatibility to all addons for cartographer? |
| 14:19.41 | Nandini | as far as i can tell, modules can register themselves with cartoace and cartographer the same right now |
| 14:19.42 | Grum | yeah |
| 14:19.53 | m4rku5 | hmm can i use babble-boss to determine if a killed mob is a boss or "trash" ? (i.e. i would need reverse translation to enGB or a way to check if a locale mob-name is in babble-boss) |
| 14:20.03 | Grum | yup but dont forget Cartographer uses LibRockConfig in the background |
| 14:20.06 | sylvanaar | ok - please tell me where it's broadcast? |
| 14:20.13 | Grum | and Cartoace uses AceOption |
| 14:20.16 | sylvanaar | from all i see its requrest-response |
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| 14:20.36 | Stanzilla2 | [Ammoo]: you can't control that as long as you have armory |
| 14:20.46 | [Ammo] | Stanzilla2: sigh, armory has nothing to do with it |
| 14:20.48 | [Ammo] | nothing at all |
| 14:20.54 | Wobin | Try to keep up |
| 14:20.55 | Stanzilla2 | it has, with the talents |
| 14:21.00 | [Ammo] | it has not |
| 14:21.02 | Towbar | Question from a non coder: so rock is more than jsut a centralised way of configuring addons? |
| 14:21.05 | Wobin | Do try to keep up |
| 14:21.13 | [Ammo] | Wobin: ? |
| 14:21.20 | Wobin | Stanzilla2, that is |
| 14:21.23 | Grum | Towbar: yes |
| 14:21.28 | Towbar | ahh |
| 14:21.36 | Grum | its Ace2butbetter |
| 14:21.36 | Wobin | Rock is a framework |
| 14:21.38 | Nandini | Towbar: rock is an addon framework (based largely on ace2) |
| 14:21.42 | sylvanaar | to be honest oRA2 is more invasive since it provides private informations |
| 14:21.43 | Wobin | much like Ace2 is |
| 14:21.56 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it is, but it's an option and the info it sends is documented and known |
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| 14:22.00 | cncfanatics | someone please screw oRA2 over and fork it so it doesnt send info |
| 14:22.02 | vhaarr | Hjalte: okay |
| 14:22.02 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 14:22.08 | vhaarr | Hjalte: so in other words, it doesn't work |
| 14:22.09 | sylvanaar | like you can really do that |
| 14:22.10 | Grum | but seriously JoshBork1 - will the modules keep working? |
| 14:22.18 | Wobin | cncfanatics: yeah! we can stare at blank boxes for the entire fight! |
| 14:22.22 | Grum | you have to do some magic on the RockConfig options |
| 14:22.26 | TiGGaH | asking this again if someone knows: is there a way to increase refresh rate on Grid bars? |
| 14:22.27 | Hjalte | vhaarr: yes. he says, that they can't see him on their version checks. |
| 14:22.28 | Towbar | sylvanaar: but invasive in a usuful way, eg: "irulan go buy more ankh's cause your out and raid is about to start |
| 14:22.28 | haarm | by the way, we're all speculating over it, but whats ckknights opinion, shouldn't LibRockComm strictly be the comms framework/api and leave the specifics to the individual addons? |
| 14:22.46 | Grum | haarm: ask ckknight |
| 14:22.47 | cncfanatics | Towbar, how is, irulan go respec pve cuz ur still arena spec, less useful ? |
| 14:22.49 | sylvanaar | Towbar you are preaching to the choir |
| 14:22.49 | Wobin | well he wants it in there |
| 14:22.51 | JoshBork1 | Grum: i believe the ace modules will continue to work but rock based modules will not work with cartoace |
| 14:22.58 | Grum | oooh my addon will not work |
| 14:23.03 | Grum | because i use RockConfig specific options |
| 14:23.05 | JoshBork1 | at that point there may be attempts to port rock based addons to ace |
| 14:23.17 | cncfanatics | yea, lets DOWNGRADE addons, great idea :p |
| 14:23.17 | Wobin | if people can be bothered =) |
| 14:23.19 | cncfanatics | this is lol :p |
| 14:23.19 | Grum | and if you fork that i'll bite your head off |
| 14:23.25 | Wobin | Which I doubt |
| 14:23.26 | Nandini | talent builds could be invasive in a useful way, your addon could use RockComm to query players listed in LFG to find a build, much like Tattle displays them now |
| 14:23.26 | JoshBork1 | then it won't be forked |
| 14:23.27 | haarm | didn't he opt for the "more informative naming convention", shouldn't it be LibRockCommAndTalentBroadcast-1.0? ;x |
| 14:23.34 | Towbar | cncfanatis: blizzard downgraded sound engines so why not! |
| 14:23.41 | [Ammo] | haarm: hehe |
| 14:23.42 | Grum | then people will have another reason to use the rock'ed version |
| 14:23.49 | sb | sylvanaar: private? |
| 14:23.55 | cncfanatics | either way, if anyone forks FB to ace I delete it the same second |
| 14:23.59 | kebinusan | Why dont you just write a lib to translate rock crap back to ace or something |
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| 14:24.00 | sylvanaar | sb what |
| 14:24.07 | Towbar | whats wrong with an addon seeing spec when its on armory anyway? |
| 14:24.07 | Grum | cncfanatics: same here |
| 14:24.12 | sb | private information? |
| 14:24.19 | Grum | i'll even make it break with cartoace i think |
| 14:24.19 | cncfanatics | sb: private ? excuse me ? |
| 14:24.24 | cncfanatics | its one lookup away, public, sb |
| 14:24.25 | Grum | i cba to support whines about that |
| 14:24.28 | sylvanaar | sb your talent spec isnt private |
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| 14:24.32 | [Ammo] | Grum: please do so |
| 14:24.35 | sb | [16:21:42] <sylvanaar> to be honest oRA2 is more invasive since it provides private informations <-- private information? :P |
| 14:24.40 | Egrest | err, what is the rock configuration? |
| 14:24.50 | Grum | seriously, why in the world would you make a cartoace-fork? |
| 14:24.55 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it's not about wether it's private or not, it's about wether I installed something knowingly to share that information with you |
| 14:24.56 | Nandini | it's just behavior that's not clearly documented and would probably be unexpected by most users in this context |
| 14:25.00 | sb | whats the ora private information you are talking about? |
| 14:25.16 | Towbar | sb: raid leaders can see what reagents you are carrying and your current repair status etc |
| 14:25.17 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] its called World of Warcraft, you installed that |
| 14:25.33 | Grum | i agree rock-config can use some settings to give the module it's original configuration back |
| 14:25.34 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: I installed Cartographer, did I install TalentShare? |
| 14:25.38 | Grum | it's rather intrusive |
| 14:25.39 | Wobin | ck is staying out of the whole situation. |
| 14:25.42 | Towbar | what resistance levels you have stuff like that |
| 14:25.49 | Wobin | And letting other people speak for their case |
| 14:25.51 | Srosh | sylvanaar, and that's why those EULA, TOS, etc. are so fucking big. They tell you all what the client does and broadcasts to Blizz. |
| 14:25.53 | haarm | oh well well, quickly haxed up RockThrower ... RockComm.talentReceptors = {} .. RockComm.AddTalentReceptor = function() end guess that should do it :) |
| 14:25.54 | Aeyan | More fun with circular arguments |
| 14:25.56 | cncfanatics | Wobin, ck is actualy afk |
| 14:25.56 | chexsum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.09 | Wobin | cncfanatics: This has been going on longer than ck has been afk =P |
| 14:26.09 | Grum | chexsum? |
| 14:26.19 | Srosh | So it's /documented/ which is the whole point here. |
| 14:26.21 | kebinusan | a pity you cant check Armor, dodge, parry, and other mitigation things with ora |
| 14:26.25 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] no, because, you didnt know about talent share - there are some features that need a wide distribution, and getting people to install them is impossible |
| 14:26.42 | haarm | why does this need to be wide? |
| 14:26.43 | Wobin | sylvanaar: so... it's like... adware? |
| 14:26.46 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: my spyware needs a wide distribution too, can I add a Prat module? |
| 14:26.52 | Towbar | lol |
| 14:26.53 | kebinusan | Why should a Comm lib have crap for sending my talents |
| 14:26.57 | [Ammo] | I need to know who you whisper with |
| 14:26.58 | Nandini | just like sony's rootkit, maybe we should put one of those in too :) |
| 14:27.01 | JoshBork1 | Grum: so you decided to share the addon to generate paths? |
| 14:27.02 | Srosh | The end does not justify the means. Period. |
| 14:27.08 | [Ammo] | Srosh: I agree |
| 14:27.11 | Grum | JoshBork1: it's on svn yes |
| 14:27.17 | JoshBork1 | cool, i'm glad |
| 14:27.17 | chexsum | rockdonfig could be a little better but its not intrusive |
| 14:27.22 | Towbar | seems like there are two or three points under debate atm |
| 14:27.23 | cncfanatics | JoshBork1, don't dare porting it to ace |
| 14:27.23 | Grum | not yet has a trunk, just a branch atm |
| 14:27.35 | JoshBork1 | cncfanatics: don't dare tell me what to do and what not to do |
| 14:27.36 | Grum | will push it to trunk when i consider it 'finished' for an alpja |
| 14:27.37 | cncfanatics | (JoshBork1, same for fb) |
| 14:27.42 | Towbar | why the talent share reference with cart? |
| 14:27.44 | JoshBork1 | cncfanatics: just because i asked doesn't mean i'm going to ace anything |
| 14:27.46 | kebinusan | chexsum: I find it annoying its a massive window every time I want to change some little config option |
| 14:27.55 | Grum | kebinusan: i agree |
| 14:28.01 | cncfanatics | JoshBork1, u never know, too much overzealous people here |
| 14:28.04 | JoshBork1 | do NOT presume you know my intentions |
| 14:28.09 | Grum | but wouldn't it be useful to be able to tell rock 'ignore this option' |
| 14:28.09 | sylvanaar | oh, please, its a useful feature that everyone wants, its the whole reason the LFG thing fails |
| 14:28.19 | haarm | i don't want it |
| 14:28.25 | Wobin | I don't want it |
| 14:28.29 | JoshBork1 | i don't want it |
| 14:28.31 | Nandini | i want it, but there are times i'd like to turn it off |
| 14:28.32 | [Ammo] | I obviously don't want it |
| 14:28.32 | sylvanaar | you dont run rock |
| 14:28.35 | kebinusan | whats a useful feature that everyone wants? |
| 14:28.41 | [Ammo] | talent braodcast! |
| 14:28.42 | cncfanatics | haarm, u don't want to know the specs of people that are in ur group ? or you don't want them to know your's ? |
| 14:28.44 | sylvanaar | you are all the ace3 peopel |
| 14:28.47 | Wobin | And how come you speak for 'everyone'? |
| 14:28.47 | Grum | what does it share? |
| 14:28.49 | Grum | x/x/x ? |
| 14:28.51 | kebinusan | why? |
| 14:28.54 | Grum | or the complete tree? |
| 14:28.55 | kebinusan | whats wrong with askign someone |
| 14:29.02 | Wobin | wow |
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| 14:29.07 | Wobin | Such sweeping generalisations |
| 14:29.14 | [Ammo] | what does Ace3 have to do with it? |
| 14:29.19 | sylvanaar | because 1) this is faster, 2) people lie |
| 14:29.21 | Nandini | exactly! right now someone else's rockcomm asks my rockcomm and it responds whether i want it to or not |
| 14:29.24 | Srosh | I wanted to know about it and not be sneaked in. |
| 14:29.26 | haarm | cncfanatics, i have a suitable level of english where i am able to request and reply about talent spec queries |
| 14:29.31 | Nandini | i'm losing my right to lie! |
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| 14:29.39 | Towbar | i would like a keyboard modifier that bypasses rock and gives me the old menu for some things, EG shift right click on pitbull for ToT menu |
| 14:29.42 | Grum | sylvanaar: so are you *pro* the sharing or against? |
| 14:29.47 | Wobin | Nandini: That's right up there with the right to arm bears! |
| 14:29.49 | sylvanaar | pro |
| 14:29.50 | Grum | i'm pro as long as it is minimal information |
| 14:29.53 | sylvanaar | so i dont have to tab out |
| 14:29.59 | Grum | just sending x/y/z is perfectly fine |
| 14:30.15 | Nandini | even sending complete builds is ok in my book, it should just be billed as a feature |
| 14:30.19 | kebinusan | and talent spec does not equal good class x, might as well track and send their kill to death ratio inside an instance or other such nonsense |
| 14:30.26 | Lukian | can someone update talented data so it works in 2.2.2 ? :p |
| 14:30.38 | Ellipsis | er, Grum, it sends the data for the whole tree |
| 14:30.48 | Nandini | in fact, i think it should send all the data that's in an armory profile |
| 14:30.50 | haarm | cncfanatics, but the bigger concern is, i don't want them to know mine... without me knowing they're making a request to my client, if they want to check the armory, fine, but i don't want my client sending out info without me knowing about it |
| 14:30.51 | sylvanaar | you can use talented to see the whole tree |
| 14:30.52 | Ellipsis | you just can't view any more than x/y/z with DogTags |
| 14:30.58 | Nandini | that way i can do a /who and then find leatherworkers, for example |
| 14:31.05 | Srosh | It certainly doesn't belong into a core lib. |
| 14:31.06 | chexsum | communication filtering is an addons responsibility - its not rockcomms fault that the addon isnt letting you filter it |
| 14:31.12 | Lukian | sylvanaar, when talented_data is 'updated' .. sure! :p |
| 14:31.13 | [Ammo] | Nandini: that's why I suggested sylvanaar add his infohub to RockComm |
| 14:31.15 | [Ammo] | and be done with it |
| 14:31.19 | Grum | Ellipsis: that is bad imho |
| 14:31.21 | [Ammo] | see how many people like that |
| 14:31.23 | Wobin | It actually sends the entire tree |
| 14:31.29 | Grum | actually |
| 14:31.40 | Grum | it's useful but the sender should agree with it |
| 14:31.42 | Wobin | the levels of each talent in each tree |
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| 14:31.52 | sylvanaar | why should they agree |
| 14:32.03 | Wobin | cause we don't live in a fascist state? |
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| 14:32.05 | Wobin | I dunno =P |
| 14:32.08 | Grum | because it somewhat invades 'privacy' |
| 14:32.09 | sylvanaar | do they agree to being inspected |
| 14:32.14 | cncfanatics | Wobin, did you agree that it was shown on armory ? |
| 14:32.19 | Grum | ok lets put it differently |
| 14:32.21 | [Ammo] | again the armory argument |
| 14:32.24 | [Ammo] | that doesn't hold. |
| 14:32.28 | Towbar | why not? |
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| 14:32.31 | Grum | there is something similar like this in addons for eons |
| 14:32.31 | Wobin | cncfanatics: of course. But that's not the argument =P |
| 14:32.34 | Grum | durability checks |
| 14:32.35 | sylvanaar | the armory arguement ends teh debate |
| 14:32.37 | Grum | item checks |
| 14:32.38 | chexsum | ignore what i just said if you cant stop talents from being sent when asked :x |
| 14:32.39 | sylvanaar | its not private |
| 14:32.43 | Grum | you can download addons that turn it off |
| 14:32.44 | Ellipsis | we're still waiting for the armory to give us an opt-out flag |
| 14:32.52 | chexsum | its pretty weird that thats in rockcomm |
| 14:32.56 | Srosh | 1) Respecs, 2) Effort. If someone wants to know my spec, they should put effort into it. |
| 14:32.58 | Grum | so, lets wait for an addon that blocks it - or for the bloody whiners - MAKE IT YOURSELF |
| 14:33.03 | Nandini | to me it sounds like infohub would be a great addon that most people would be happy to install, and would get rid of the need for the low-level exchanges in rockcomm |
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| 14:33.26 | Wobin | Grum: So.. if an addon came out called RockAntiTalentSpam ... there'd be no problem? |
| 14:33.29 | sylvanaar | Nandini try getting authors to support it |
| 14:33.31 | Nandini | add it into the base Rock package as LibRockInfohub |
| 14:33.36 | cncfanatics | Nandini, are you seriously thinking that people will agree to install something that makes their precccccious info 2 clicks closer ? |
| 14:33.55 | Grum | Wobin: i think not |
| 14:33.56 | haarm | sylvanaar, the armory updates when you log out, and doesn't involve your personal client |
| 14:33.59 | Grum | just do it cleanly |
| 14:34.04 | Grum | return a nil orso or nothing |
| 14:34.08 | Wobin | Grum: Much like how CartoAce and stuff just went under the radar |
| 14:34.08 | Grum | dont 'break' it |
| 14:34.13 | chexsum | itd be werid if ip/tcp responded with your machine specs :) |
| 14:34.15 | sylvanaar | haarm right, so it is more accurate to do it in game |
| 14:34.16 | Xinhuan | kinda like how that addon !Scrooge was written for? |
| 14:34.17 | Xinhuan | lol |
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| 14:34.33 | sylvanaar | chexsum um |
| 14:34.33 | kebinusan | Scrooge just seemed like a pathetic attempt to try and stir up drama |
| 14:34.42 | Nandini | smb responds with your basic machine specs :) |
| 14:34.47 | sylvanaar | chexsum your browser sends them |
| 14:34.47 | Grum | sylvanaar: i'll have a popular addon, i can ship it with it |
| 14:34.55 | [Ammo] | scrooge is a bit silly |
| 14:34.59 | chexsum | smb was made for lans |
| 14:35.11 | haarm | sylvanaar, right, where do i make a request for a rockcomm feature? i want paypal donations every time someone steals some of my bandwidth, its good to have it in the core of the comms lib right? |
| 14:35.11 | Towbar | and tcp ip was not? |
| 14:35.31 | Nandini | WMI and SNMP can reply with detailed machine specs, but you're right, it doesn't belong in the TCP/IP driver |
| 14:35.43 | sylvanaar | the amount of data is small |
| 14:35.44 | Towbar | unless microsoft do it again |
| 14:35.51 | cncfanatics | don't get me started about MS |
| 14:35.52 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it's the fact that it gets send without consent |
| 14:35.57 | cncfanatics | THEY actualy do things to limit my privacy |
| 14:35.59 | Towbar | o look there is a protocol!!! lets rewrite it and call it our own! |
| 14:36.01 | haarm | its even smaller now my rockcomm doesn't send it |
| 14:36.21 | Grum | ok so what are the problems here? |
| 14:36.27 | Grum | 1) send info i dont want to have send |
| 14:36.28 | chexsum | snmp is a management protocoll not communication protocol |
| 14:36.31 | Grum | 2) user bandwidth |
| 14:36.33 | Nandini | the issue isn't even so much consent, i'd say the issue is that it's sent without expectation |
| 14:36.36 | rob` | "this protocol has been around since 1970ish. CLEARLY it must be old and outdated, time to rewriet it!" |
| 14:36.45 | Ellipsis | let me ask this: if there was a setting to disable it, where would it be saved, ammo? |
| 14:36.49 | backbone | how can i check, whether a string is a valid UnitId or not |
| 14:36.51 | kebinusan | To be honest, I would find it useful as a raid leader.. we have a few people who change specs often and its nice to beable to find that out.. but I dont think is the kind of thing you should see in a comm lib.. its a bit early to start feature creeping |
| 14:36.53 | sylvanaar | its irrelevant if they want to share the info or not, the info is there to be had one way or another |
| 14:36.56 | Wobin | Ellipsis: There can't be one. |
| 14:36.57 | Srosh | 3) Functionality that doesn't belong into a core lib. |
| 14:36.58 | Ellipsis | we're all anti-lib-SVs |
| 14:37.08 | Nandini | exactly, just as WMI and SNMP are higher level protocols, why should the network layer (in this case RockComm) be sending out the data? |
| 14:37.11 | Ellipsis | so how are you suggesting an implementation which lets the user decide |
| 14:37.13 | haarm | what srosh said |
| 14:37.28 | Wobin | I'd suggest it be part of a library called TalentLib |
| 14:37.32 | haarm | no! |
| 14:37.36 | haarm | LibTalent! |
| 14:37.39 | Wobin | oh sorry. LibTalent |
| 14:37.41 | haarm | ;) |
| 14:37.44 | [Ammo] | shrug |
| 14:37.45 | Nandini | the user doesn't even need to decide, but they should at least be aware |
| 14:37.55 | Nandini | if it's a great feature, advertise it! :) |
| 14:37.56 | sylvanaar | in this way its limited in what it will reply to |
| 14:38.02 | Towbar | Because users are always made aware :) |
| 14:38.04 | sylvanaar | make a lib, the lib can be replaced |
| 14:38.10 | [Ammo] | make the users aware that they send talents, advertise it, see how many object and ask for a toggle |
| 14:38.17 | chexsum | rockcomm should just move messages |
| 14:38.30 | Grum | [Ammo]: or just dont care and have it float like CTRA/oRA2 itemchecks |
| 14:38.31 | Wobin | Have an addon that shares the talents |
| 14:38.32 | Xinhuan | lets end the argument by asking ckknight to add an option to enable/disable sending of talents, simple? |
| 14:38.36 | Grum | and find addons to disable it |
| 14:38.39 | chexsum | ie talented |
| 14:38.45 | [Ammo] | Grum: oRA/CTRA item checks you can disable witha toggle |
| 14:38.47 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: you can't do that though, I just explained why |
| 14:38.48 | [Ammo] | Grum: it's in the addons itself |
| 14:38.50 | Towbar | personally I could not care less about my talent build being broadcast as long as it is not bandwidth hungry |
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| 14:39.03 | Xinhuan | Ellipsis: i didn't read, sorry, how far up is it? |
| 14:39.06 | [Ammo] | Grum: so that arguement doesn't hold |
| 14:39.06 | haarm | Xinhuan, tbh i'd rather it was moved out of the core lib, the lib should be purely for comms handling, nothing else |
| 14:39.07 | Towbar | but what functionalty does it provide? |
| 14:39.10 | Grum | [Ammo]: i've also seen addons for it |
| 14:39.13 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: libs can't do SVs, so there's no way to save the setting. |
| 14:39.17 | [Ammo] | Grum: silly |
| 14:39.23 | [Ammo] | Grum: if people check the menu, there's a toggle |
| 14:39.24 | Xinhuan | it should be a Rock setting Ellipsis |
| 14:39.28 | [Ammo] | in both CTRA and oRA2 |
| 14:39.29 | Xinhuan | a framework can definitely have SVs |
| 14:39.36 | Ellipsis | it's embeddable |
| 14:39.37 | Ellipsis | so no |
| 14:39.39 | Srosh | If I install sth like oRA, I know there's gonna be stuff send - if I install /any/ Rock-based Addon I do not and there's no way I could expect it. |
| 14:39.53 | kebinusan | Shouldnt a comm lib be a bit agnostic about the data being sent? Other things should say hey I want to send this talent data, and the comm lib just passes it along.. thats my understanding |
| 14:39.57 | Towbar | dropped CTRA because it gave two answers to /ravote and /radur etc |
| 14:39.57 | sylvanaar | someone made the rule that libs cant have sv's but its a "syle guideline" |
| 14:40.04 | Xinhuan | alright, you have a point |
| 14:40.10 | haarm | kebinusan, exactly |
| 14:40.11 | Ellipsis | embeddable libs can't have SVs without some incredible hacking |
| 14:40.11 | Xinhuan | about embedding |
| 14:40.15 | sylvanaar | it has no other foundation |
| 14:40.15 | Grum | lets say, there are some addons that everyone should have and run |
| 14:40.17 | Ellipsis | which is bad design in the first place |
| 14:40.18 | JoshBork1 | Ellipsis: false statement |
| 14:40.26 | Grum | Threat-1.0, GPSlib this new one as well imho |
| 14:40.44 | Grum | so we should make a LibConfig to configure what you send out with those libs |
| 14:40.44 | JoshBork1 | libs CAN have SVs if that's what they need |
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| 14:40.59 | Towbar | our manditory addons are: oRA2 Omen Threat1.0 and Bigwigs |
| 14:41.00 | Wobin | There's nothing stopping a lib from having an SV |
| 14:41.05 | Ellipsis | JoshBork1: outline an elegant way of keeping those SVs when a user runs embedded |
| 14:41.11 | Xinhuan | if the user chooses to use the library embedded, then there wont' be any SV to begin with |
| 14:41.14 | Grum | Towbar: drop Omen |
| 14:41.19 | Towbar | no way |
| 14:41.23 | JoshBork1 | Ellipsis: force teh addon to pass in a table to use for the SVn |
| 14:41.25 | Grum | jut having Threat-1.0 is the most important part |
| 14:41.35 | Grum | Omen can also be Violation/Assesment/xxxx |
| 14:41.38 | Ellipsis | JoshBork1: overhead in every addon using the framework? |
| 14:41.41 | Ellipsis | I said *elegant* |
| 14:41.44 | Towbar | why drop omen? |
| 14:41.46 | durcyn | the config dialog should never have been in a lib in the first place. |
| 14:41.49 | durcyn | ever. |
| 14:41.51 | sylvanaar | or just make a global table, and set it |
| 14:41.54 | haarm | omen is just a frontend towbar |
| 14:41.57 | Towbar | I know |
| 14:42.05 | Wobin | Ellipsis: To get right down to it. Core libs should not have anything that -requires- a toggle saved |
| 14:42.06 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: indeed |
| 14:42.06 | Towbar | and with that front end it says vent traffic |
| 14:42.09 | Grum | so make Threat-1.0 needed |
| 14:42.09 | Towbar | saves** |
| 14:42.11 | lolinternet | mhm |
| 14:42.14 | [Ammo] | extra saved var registered in toc of addon |
| 14:42.15 | Towbar | threat is needed |
| 14:42.16 | haarm | threatlib does the actual calculation / broadcasting, you can use many things to display it, not just omen specifically |
| 14:42.20 | [Ammo] | and lib can write to it just fine |
| 14:42.20 | Ellipsis | Wobin: I disagree. core libs should not be embeddable IMO. :P |
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| 14:42.35 | Towbar | but I dont want to call overaggro on vent 10 times a fight when vent is used for much more relevant fight info |
| 14:42.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm thinking of spending about 550 euro on a new sound system |
| 14:42.37 | Grum | but what's so bad with 1 addon that bundles the addons considered needed for everything with a config setting to show what it does and possible change/toggle some of the options |
| 14:42.37 | sag_ich_nicht | discuss. |
| 14:42.43 | sag_ich_nicht | 7.1 :X |
| 14:42.45 | Wobin | sag_ich_nicht: That's a lot of dosh |
| 14:42.46 | sylvanaar | not even that, just copy from the addons' sv to the global table |
| 14:42.55 | chexsum | wow will have threat soon |
| 14:42.55 | kebinusan | sag_ich_nicht: spend 200 euro on a nice pair of headphones |
| 14:42.56 | BlackVelvet | lol towbar |
| 14:43.06 | BlackVelvet | WHat is your job? |
| 14:43.07 | Towbar | true though |
| 14:43.13 | Towbar | IRL job? |
| 14:43.15 | BlackVelvet | yes |
| 14:43.17 | sag_ich_nicht | kebinusan: i already have a sennheiser 165 headset |
| 14:43.21 | Towbar | networking specialist |
| 14:43.21 | cncfanatics | chexsum, we don't know if it'll be exact values |
| 14:43.29 | cncfanatics | they may just give relative values like, safe, not safe, dead |
| 14:43.35 | Wobin | "Easy left!" |
| 14:43.36 | BlackVelvet | So that is why, everytime i log on, i see you talk in #wowace? ;D |
| 14:43.36 | Nandini | i wonder when blizz designs and tests raid encounters if they have some sort of threat meter on everyone's screen |
| 14:43.41 | Nandini | i would guess they do |
| 14:43.41 | Towbar | yes :) |
| 14:43.44 | Grum | haha, when is soon? |
| 14:43.46 | Grum | 2.4? |
| 14:43.49 | Grum | that will be next year |
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| 14:43.59 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: but the .toc solution is pretty elegant and doesn't require extra plumbing in the addon |
| 14:44.01 | Wobin | They've stated there will be -some- level of threat mechanics exposed =) |
| 14:44.03 | Towbar | VPN's and VNC ftw |
| 14:44.03 | [Ammo] | other than the toc entry |
| 14:44.13 | Ellipsis | try enforcing that |
| 14:44.28 | sylvanaar | multiple tocs would overwrite the global table |
| 14:44.30 | Ellipsis | one author forgets their toc entry and it screws things up |
| 14:44.35 | haarm | wobin, i'm guessing its not going to be numbers, maybe % compared with the person currently with aggro |
| 14:44.41 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: hmm you're right |
| 14:44.48 | sag_ich_nicht | the only upgrade to that headset would be a sennheiser HMD 280 Pro |
| 14:44.51 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 14:44.53 | sag_ich_nicht | (WANT) |
| 14:44.58 | BlackVelvet | Woot.. Now world event |
| 14:44.58 | [Ammo] | I guess an entry in the addons table would work |
| 14:45.01 | JoshBork1 | embeddable libs (frameworks) shouldn't require toggles imo |
| 14:45.01 | cncfanatics | haarm, if its that then its rly precise |
| 14:45.01 | BlackVelvet | The Headless Horseman ;D |
| 14:45.09 | cncfanatics | haarm, I doubt they'll even give that much |
| 14:45.10 | sb | hmmm |
| 14:45.19 | sb | ordered sennheiser pc 161 2 days ago |
| 14:45.20 | haarm | cncfanatics, well they certainly wont expose the raw values |
| 14:45.23 | Xinhuan | core frameworks shouldn't be embeddable heh |
| 14:45.25 | Wobin | BlackVelvet: I want the pumpkin pet! |
| 14:45.27 | sylvanaar | you can do SavedVars: LIBVARS.<hostaddon> |
| 14:45.35 | cncfanatics | haarm, I think they'll expose something, with some luck in plages of 25% |
| 14:45.44 | sylvanaar | and it will merge them all |
| 14:45.47 | cncfanatics | 25% or less aggro, 50% or less, 75% or less, 100% or less, above 100% |
| 14:45.48 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: cool |
| 14:45.51 | BlackVelvet | So is the event gonna happen in all cities or what? |
| 14:45.52 | cncfanatics | and even that would be much |
| 14:45.56 | Xinhuan | you sure that works sylvanaar? |
| 14:45.56 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: elegant solution right ther e :) |
| 14:45.57 | CIA-12 | 03oridan * r50774 10SpellReminder/SpellReminder.lua: |
| 14:45.57 | CIA-12 | SpellReminder: |
| 14:45.57 | CIA-12 | - now with custom width/height and properly sizeable fonts |
| 14:45.57 | CIA-12 | - can disable the emphasise action. |
| 14:46.05 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:45] <sb> ordered sennheiser pc 161 2 days ago <--god for you. the HMD 280 cost about 285 euro :X |
| 14:46.08 | sag_ich_nicht | *good |
| 14:46.10 | sylvanaar | it did at one point |
| 14:46.16 | sb | sag_ich_nicht: yup ;p |
| 14:46.16 | Grum | sylvanaar: how will it be merged? |
| 14:46.23 | [Ammo] | Grum: the lib can handle the merge |
| 14:46.32 | sb | but dont have it yet.. thanks to DHL and 'today' ;p |
| 14:46.43 | Towbar | OT: did anyone try the creative sound card fix I suggested? |
| 14:46.44 | Wobin | http://www.warcraftpets.com/wow.pets/seasonal/hallows.end/sinister_squashling.asp |
| 14:46.53 | Grum | geiv! |
| 14:46.58 | Towbar | ~creativefix |
| 14:46.59 | purl | Open your registry editor and navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CreativeTech\Emu10kx\DriverSettings\Wave\Pin#00000002 ", then change the Turbo value from 1 to 0, then reboot. |
| 14:46.59 | sylvanaar | LIBVARS.addon1 = {} LIBVARS.addon2 = {} like that |
| 14:47.03 | Xinhuan | that's just playing around with the SV mechanics, it feels like a dirty hack to me |
| 14:47.05 | backbone | just a ot question: how can i check, whether a string is a valid UnitId or not? |
| 14:47.21 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:46] <Towbar> OT: did anyone try the creative sound card fix I suggested? <-- i will when i get home, i'm not having audio problems but we'll see. |
| 14:47.29 | Towbar | works of audigy 2 and above |
| 14:47.29 | kebinusan | towbar, Iplay under wine, IVe just taken to disabling game sound for a patch or two |
| 14:47.32 | Wobin | although omg http://www.warcraftpets.com/wow.pets/seasonal/miscellaneous/wolpertinger.asp |
| 14:47.37 | Wobin | that is just COOL =) |
| 14:47.46 | kebinusan | too much sound studder |
| 14:47.54 | sylvanaar | it is - its easier to just upgrade the global table programatically |
| 14:48.02 | Towbar | yea the new engive is a joke, next patch we get VGA video |
| 14:48.05 | durcyn | Wobin: jackelope imo |
| 14:48.05 | Towbar | angine* |
| 14:48.25 | Towbar | meh |
| 14:48.34 | Towbar | engine** |
| 14:48.40 | CIA-12 | 03ammo * r50775 10BigWigs/Extras/CustomBar.lua: BigWigs: turn off the other addons bars by default |
| 14:49.00 | Xinhuan | other addon bars... ? |
| 14:49.05 | [Ammo] | DBM bars |
| 14:49.14 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 14:49.20 | Towbar | yea they mess up bigwigs on some fights |
| 14:49.24 | Towbar | by like 5 seconds |
| 14:49.26 | [Ammo] | should never have been on by default |
| 14:49.31 | Towbar | leo and lurker especially |
| 14:49.35 | [Ammo] | naah |
| 14:49.36 | Xinhuan | people use DMB and Bigwigs simultaeneously? |
| 14:49.38 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 14:49.47 | Towbar | i use DBM for pvp |
| 14:49.49 | [Ammo] | Towbar: cooldown timers can never be accurate |
| 14:49.55 | Towbar | but i might go the ace pvp bars |
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| 14:50.06 | Towbar | ammo: i know |
| 14:50.15 | Nandini | i've used them both together just for testing to see how they compare on certain fights |
| 14:50.23 | Towbar | but when i talk to people with both and people with jsut bigwigs the jsut bigwigs people are accurate |
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| 14:50.29 | Towbar | just* |
| 14:50.40 | Towbar | whats the name of the ace pvp bars? |
| 14:50.43 | Towbar | cap???? |
| 14:50.44 | kebinusan | capping |
| 14:50.48 | Towbar | kk getting now |
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| 14:50.59 | Towbar | are they good? |
| 14:51.02 | xyu` | yep |
| 14:51.02 | kebinusan | I like it |
| 14:51.09 | Megalon | well, they are bars :D |
| 14:51.12 | Towbar | can you report them to /bg? |
| 14:51.16 | Megalon | yes |
| 14:51.17 | kebinusan | yeah |
| 14:51.19 | Towbar | awesome |
| 14:51.24 | kebinusan | alt/shift/something click |
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| 14:51.29 | kebinusan | one does say one does bg |
| 14:51.29 | Megalon | with some modifier+click |
| 14:51.32 | xyu` | I really only use it for knowing exactly when arena fights are going to start |
| 14:51.34 | xyu` | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.40 | xyu` | like ice barrier |
| 14:51.54 | [AoC]Camci | whats the command for DrugTest ? |
| 14:52.00 | Fisker- | Punkie` |
| 14:52.08 | Xinhuan | xyu: Quartz casting bar already has that arena starting feature |
| 14:52.13 | Towbar | xyu dbm pvp bars are nice for premades |
| 14:52.27 | kebinusan | Xinhuan, yeah it doesnt do node caps tho |
| 14:52.46 | Xinhuan | which is why Capping was written |
| 14:52.56 | Towbar | :) |
| 14:53.06 | Xinhuan | Capping is specific for pvp, Bigwigs is specific for PvE |
| 14:53.13 | Towbar | time to go AV and get some bar spam |
| 14:53.14 | Xinhuan | some ppl might only want one or the other |
| 14:53.20 | xyu` | i need to find a way to lower my raid FPS. i get like 60 outside of raids, but in 25 mans i get like 10 |
| 14:53.20 | Towbar | are they the same style? |
| 14:53.28 | BlackVelvet | For updated addons, i will pay sucky sucky long time |
| 14:53.35 | Towbar | xyu: always or since 2.2? |
| 14:53.45 | Wobin | xyu: What userframes are you using? |
| 14:53.48 | xyu` | Towbar: i'm not sure, i just got into a raiding guild last week ^^ |
| 14:53.56 | Towbar | what sound card have you? |
| 14:53.58 | xyu` | pitbul, ora2, bartender |
| 14:54.01 | xyu` | are the main 3 frame addons |
| 14:54.08 | Wobin | pitbull isn't too good with raidframes |
| 14:54.10 | xyu` | creative audigy 24bit |
| 14:54.15 | Wobin | you might want to switch to a more lightweight one |
| 14:54.18 | Towbar | hence i disable raid frames and use grid |
| 14:54.28 | Towbar | xyu: try this |
| 14:54.29 | Wobin | cause really, you don't need all that info that pitbull can provide |
| 14:54.33 | Towbar | ~creativefix |
| 14:54.34 | purl | Open your registry editor and navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CreativeTech\Emu10kx\DriverSettings\Wave\Pin#00000002 ", then change the Turbo value from 1 to 0, then reboot. |
| 14:54.35 | Wobin | xyu: What class are you? |
| 14:54.47 | xyu` | Wobin: mage |
| 14:55.00 | Wobin | hm, I suggest grid for quick debuffing |
| 14:55.02 | Towbar | my kael'thas add aoe framerate went from 11 to 40ish |
| 14:55.03 | xyu` | Towbar: i'll try that. at school atm. |
| 14:55.05 | Grum | grid++++ |
| 14:55.05 | xyu` | i have grid as well |
| 14:55.15 | chexsum | i just changed to pitbull from aguf today |
| 14:55.15 | Wobin | and maybe perfectraid to keep an eye on raidhealth/buffs required |
| 14:55.17 | Towbar | grid is awesome |
| 14:55.18 | xyu` | but do i disable pitbul outright? i dont use pitbul raid frames |
| 14:55.27 | Wobin | yeah, just disable the raidframes |
| 14:55.31 | Towbar | yea |
| 14:55.38 | xyu` | it doesn't help i only have 1g ram |
| 14:55.41 | Pkekyo | !ar 200 |
| 14:55.48 | Wobin | yeah, more will definitely help =) |
| 14:55.50 | Pkekyo | !ap 200 |
| 14:55.53 | Towbar | 1 gig isnt so bad |
| 14:55.54 | chexsum | raid frames look ugly when scaled down in pitbull so i ignore the last 4 groups |
| 14:56.00 | Pkekyo | ~seen thraebot |
| 14:56.05 | purl | thraebot <n=ThraeBot@pool-71-166-57-54.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 21h 29m 5s ago, saying: 'Marli: Arena points from a rating of 600 is, 2v2: 23, 3v3: 27, 5v5: 34'. |
| 14:56.09 | Wobin | chexsum: "unavoidable casualties"? =) |
| 14:56.11 | BlackVelvet | IMO WoW requires at least 2 |
| 14:56.12 | xyu` | The FPS drop is affecting my dps unfortunately :( |
| 14:56.16 | BlackVelvet | i got 8gb ;D |
| 14:56.18 | Towbar | i have 2 yea |
| 14:56.24 | Wobin | BlackVelvet: That's just excessive =P |
| 14:56.28 | Towbar | but on my lattop with 1 gig everything is fine |
| 14:56.31 | Pkekyo | !c eu bloodfeather baesj |
| 14:56.34 | Grum | haha~~ 8gb of random bits! |
| 14:56.35 | Towbar | laptop* |
| 14:56.41 | BlackVelvet | I know 8gb is overkill |
| 14:56.44 | BlackVelvet | but i got them cheap ;D |
| 14:56.48 | xyu` | hm does it matter that i'm running dual monitor w/ wow in Windowed / Maximized mode? |
| 14:56.52 | Towbar | bits.. |
| 14:56.53 | xyu` | would that affect FPS |
| 14:56.53 | cncfanatics | New Dwarf/Draenei priest ability - Chastise: Causes Holy damage and incapacitates target for 2 seconds |
| 14:56.57 | Ellipsis | BlackVelvet: can I have 4 of 'em? <3 |
| 14:56.57 | BlackVelvet | 2 will do for wow |
| 14:56.59 | Fisker- | Punkie` |
| 14:57.01 | cncfanatics | wth, weren't they overpowered enough with their damn fear ward ? |
| 14:57.05 | Pkekyo | thraebot dead? :< |
| 14:57.07 | cncfanatics | (thats 2.3) |
| 14:57.11 | Punkie` | sup |
| 14:57.12 | BlackVelvet | Lawl Ellipsis, no stealin' my rams ;( |
| 14:57.15 | cncfanatics | Fear Ward will now be available to all Priests at level 20 Fear Ward duration reduced to 3 minutes, and cooldown increased to 3 minutes nvm |
| 14:57.15 | Wobin | well everyone has fearward now |
| 14:57.17 | Towbar | holy dmg! |
| 14:57.19 | Towbar | ffs |
| 14:57.21 | chexsum | itd be nice to get pitbull raidframes to look like perfectraid |
| 14:57.23 | Nandini | xyu` if you're using an nVidia card on xp, change your desktop to spanned then run wow fullscreen |
| 14:57.25 | Wobin | yeah, FW nerf =( |
| 14:57.25 | Towbar | my dranny is a shadow priest |
| 14:57.26 | dreamss | with 8gb of ram u can run swap disk on ram and prolly WOW file system |
| 14:57.26 | cncfanatics | fear ward to all priesties next patch ! |
| 14:57.27 | dreamss | lol |
| 14:57.29 | Ellipsis | im in ur computerz, steelin ur ramz |
| 14:57.32 | Towbar | so I cant use that in shadowform |
| 14:57.45 | BlackVelvet | Harrharr, yous got a ram stealin cat? |
| 14:58.03 | Ellipsis | meow =3 |
| 14:58.04 | xyu` | Nandini: i have ATI atm. and it is set to span , however if i run true fullscreen in wow, the mouse is bound by the game frame. |
| 14:58.19 | BlackVelvet | But 2gb ram will do for WoW. It doesnt need more |
| 14:58.27 | Wobin | Ellipsis: you mean meow 3=> |
| 14:58.30 | xyu` | if i run windowed maximized it is fullscreen but i can move my mouse to the 2nd monitor. |
| 14:58.40 | Ellipsis | =';'= meow! |
| 14:58.51 | BlackVelvet | Lol.. What is the 3 suppose to be in your emoticat? |
| 14:58.57 | Ellipsis | a smile! |
| 14:59.03 | Wobin | Mine are ramhorns =P |
| 14:59.07 | Grum | definately emote |
| 14:59.07 | genetik- | elephant with whiskers |
| 14:59.10 | Ellipsis | Wobin is ev0l |
| 14:59.18 | Ellipsis | devil horns and a sneaky grin imo |
| 14:59.19 | BlackVelvet | Lol, then its more like.. |
| 14:59.31 | BlackVelvet | what sound does a ram make? |
| 14:59.37 | Wobin | Meeeh? |
| 14:59.39 | Wobin | Baaa? |
| 14:59.43 | BlackVelvet | Cmon dwarves.. tell me |
| 14:59.46 | kebinusan | Grid needs a boss mod option for easy adding of PVE encounter debuffs, or I need healers that arent total idiots |
| 14:59.52 | kebinusan | maybe a little of both |
| 14:59.53 | Ellipsis | dwarves only know how rams sound in pain |
| 14:59.53 | Nandini | rams "bleat" |
| 14:59.56 | Ellipsis | if you know what I mean |
| 14:59.59 | Wobin | Ellipsis: it's true |
| 15:00.02 | BlackVelvet | Hahahhahahahhaha |
| 15:00.08 | Wobin | Much like the sound of a large cat in pain |
| 15:00.10 | Towbar | get decursive |
| 15:00.11 | Wobin | to the nelfs |
| 15:00.29 | Wobin | And a horse clearly breaking it's legs for humans =P |
| 15:00.31 | genetik- | kebinusan: i just add encounter debuffs to grid myself |
| 15:00.38 | kebinusan | Adding things like static charge, whirlwind, mind control, watery grave, globed on hydross, etc... |
| 15:00.42 | Ellipsis | Wobin just called me fat wtf =[ |
| 15:00.55 | xyu` | i can annoy so many people w/ the ram in BGs at the gate |
| 15:00.57 | kebinusan | genetik-: I do too, but I keep thinking alot of my healers are missing out with a poorly configured grid |
| 15:00.57 | xyu` | by jumping |
| 15:00.59 | Grum | kebinusan: i add em manually |
| 15:01.00 | Wobin | You're just big boned, Ellipsis. |
| 15:01.07 | Ellipsis | no, it's not that big |
| 15:01.11 | Ellipsis | oh, read that wrong, nvm |
| 15:01.12 | Ellipsis | ;) |
| 15:01.13 | genetik- | kebinusan: true.. i feel that way with most of my raiders.. heh |
| 15:01.13 | Wobin | xyu': spammy git |
| 15:01.35 | Wobin | Although, the most utterly irritating one, is when you do a noggenfogger shrink, and get on an epic ram mount |
| 15:01.37 | xyu` | if you jump and move back and jump, the sound can be piled up, so to speak |
| 15:01.38 | Wobin | and run around |
| 15:01.43 | xyu` | only works good w/ ram though |
| 15:01.52 | Wobin | it speeds up the 'rattatattat' |
| 15:01.53 | xyu` | horses don't replay th sound fast enough |
| 15:02.14 | Wobin | xyu: try it while shrunk =P |
| 15:02.21 | Wobin | it's even faster =) |
| 15:02.27 | kebinusan | Grids config is a lil tedious I guess.. adding debuffs in one place then where to display them in another, istead of just setting where to display them under the debuff option |
| 15:02.28 | Towbar | glad my midnight mount does not have the sound |
| 15:02.30 | *** join/#wowace eibit (n=chatzill@c-24-23-218-108.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 15:02.47 | Grum | kebinusan: who maintains grid? |
| 15:02.53 | JoshBork1 | no one |
| 15:02.55 | Ellipsis | pastamancer |
| 15:02.57 | xyu` | i saw an orc riding around on a big chicken turkey cockatoo thing |
| 15:02.59 | xyu` | what is that from? |
| 15:03.10 | kebinusan | theres a branch on the svn someones been working on, Jerry maybe I think |
| 15:03.11 | Wobin | That's the belf mount |
| 15:03.13 | Wobin | isn't it? |
| 15:03.14 | CIA-12 | 03rabbit * r50776 10BigWigs/Extras/CustomBar.lua: BigWigs: CustomBar: Remove the dbm support code, since they broadcast all timer bars and not just pizza timers, which was my initial assumption. |
| 15:03.15 | xyu` | no |
| 15:03.15 | Towbar | lol |
| 15:03.17 | xyu` | it wasn't belf |
| 15:03.22 | Wobin | a'lar? |
| 15:03.22 | Ellipsis | yeah the pet branch was Jerry's |
| 15:03.26 | cubicool | It's from Sethekk Heroic. |
| 15:03.27 | Grum | is it finished? |
| 15:03.29 | xyu` | it's from an instance |
| 15:03.34 | xyu` | cubi, what boss? |
| 15:03.36 | cubicool | The Druid Flight Quest boss |
| 15:03.36 | Wobin | oh the raven mount =) |
| 15:03.42 | Towbar | yea a guildy has the only one on server of it |
| 15:03.42 | xyu` | oh |
| 15:03.48 | Wobin | That mount is cool =) |
| 15:03.52 | Wobin | Now if only it were epic =P |
| 15:04.28 | cubicool | In 2.3, will we be able to enumerate all of the "effects" on an enemy player? |
| 15:04.41 | Towbar | yea we see their buffs |
| 15:04.44 | cubicool | Both buffs and debuffs? |
| 15:04.46 | cubicool | WOot |
| 15:04.48 | Towbar | and detect magic is removed |
| 15:04.53 | Wobin | really? |
| 15:04.54 | Grum | oe nice |
| 15:04.57 | Wobin | interesting |
| 15:05.00 | Ellipsis | saw that coming |
| 15:05.01 | kebinusan | Suggestion for bigwigs custom bars: allow perhaps something like 20m to be parsed as 20 minutes so I dont need to do math in my head to convert it to seconds |
| 15:05.14 | Ellipsis | since Blizz started putting mob's buffs as debuffs |
| 15:05.17 | vhaarr | kebinusan: excellent idea |
| 15:05.22 | vhaarr | kebinusan: you know how to code, fix it |
| 15:05.32 | Towbar | have you seen the new pvp trinkets? |
| 15:05.33 | durcyn | kebinusan: /print 20 * 60 |
| 15:05.35 | CIA-12 | 03mightydre * r50777 10PitBull/RangeCheck/RangeCheck.lua: PitBull: fix range checking for warlocks and mages to work on friendly units |
| 15:05.38 | Fisker- | bah vhaarr |
| 15:05.40 | kebinusan | durcyn: yeah thats what I do now heh |
| 15:05.57 | Towbar | All Disarm immunity effects in the game were changed to 50% disarm duration reduction (non stacking). :( |
| 15:05.59 | Towbar | thats not nice |
| 15:06.02 | *** join/#wowace TheHermit (n=TheHermi@pool-141-154-178-4.wma.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:06.05 | Ellipsis | owned |
| 15:06.12 | Grum | there was an addon which could show the 'distance' to your target right? |
| 15:06.12 | Fisker- | that is owned |
| 15:06.19 | kebinusan | and vhaarr my knowledge of lua is very basic, but I'll see about doing it |
| 15:06.20 | Towbar | i have a weapon chain just for pvp |
| 15:06.22 | Ellipsis | Grum: RangeCheck/RangeDisplay |
| 15:06.23 | Grum | and it estimated as good as it could.. what was it called? O.o |
| 15:06.23 | cncfanatics | Towbar, owned ? |
| 15:06.26 | Towbar | love hearing that sound :) |
| 15:06.27 | Grum | ah rangedisplay |
| 15:06.29 | xyu` | Grum, i thikn you can just add a line in the config file |
| 15:06.32 | kebinusan | My big concern is if the showing buffs thing is going to affect players too |
| 15:06.37 | xyu` | but alas i forget what that line is |
| 15:06.42 | vhaarr | durcyn: WE know about /print |
| 15:06.44 | kebinusan | cause as a warlock it means everyone wont just assume Im a soul link warlock |
| 15:06.45 | vhaarr | durcyn: does your raid leader? |
| 15:06.46 | Towbar | the new pvp cloaks are nice too |
| 15:06.52 | Ellipsis | oh it does kebinusan |
| 15:06.52 | vhaarr | kebinusan: fine, I'll see about it as well |
| 15:06.54 | Grum | xyu: no i dont mean the maxtabrange thingie |
| 15:06.59 | Towbar | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=1416.0 |
| 15:07.08 | Towbar | 2.3 notes |
| 15:07.09 | durcyn | vhaarr: my raid leader doesn't even know about /bwcb :o |
| 15:07.09 | Wobin | Grum: Nudge did that too |
| 15:07.12 | kebinusan | Ellipsis: big bummer then |
| 15:07.15 | Ellipsis | yup |
| 15:07.20 | vhaarr | durcyn: right so shut up |
| 15:07.22 | Ellipsis | PvP is gonna be very different now |
| 15:07.36 | Towbar | New Melee PvP Cloak added to the game: 34 Stamina, 20 Crit, 20 Resilience, 46 Attack Power, 112 Armor Penetration. |
| 15:07.49 | Towbar | seriously debating is that worth replacing the cloak of dark reavers for pve |
| 15:07.58 | kebinusan | me no like armor penetration on melee pvp gear |
| 15:08.11 | Towbar | i use WSC vs warriors |
| 15:08.17 | Towbar | and bears |
| 15:08.23 | vhaarr | durcyn: I'm just angry right now, don't mind me |
| 15:08.41 | durcyn | it's okay, i'll just go sit in my corner. |
| 15:08.44 | Ellipsis | poooooooor vhaarr |
| 15:09.10 | Towbar | Evocation restores 15% of your total mana every 2 seconds instead of being a spirit-based mana regen increase. |
| 15:09.18 | Towbar | woohoo spirit is now even more useless |
| 15:09.26 | kebinusan | towbar, good change for mages |
| 15:09.30 | Wobin | totally |
| 15:09.36 | Towbar | yea cause mages need buffed... |
| 15:09.44 | Wobin | spirit is really for the fsr anyway |
| 15:09.53 | Ellipsis | lol fsr |
| 15:09.57 | Wobin | evocation was always meant to be a just gimme mana skill |
| 15:10.03 | Towbar | Meditation is increased to 10%/20%/30% Mana regeneration. |
| 15:10.05 | Towbar | now thats nice |
| 15:10.09 | Srosh | Not really, if you stacked some spirit. However, all "in combat regen" talents are buffed to 30% (from 15%). |
| 15:10.09 | Towbar | very nice |
| 15:10.19 | Towbar | one of our priests in a raid already has 340 mp5 |
| 15:10.24 | Srosh | *combat=casting |
| 15:10.34 | xyu` | theyr'e making it faster to level to 60? |
| 15:10.44 | Towbar | alot of these changes are mitigating the need for a good geared SP in raids |
| 15:10.54 | kebinusan | mp5 priests are ewww |
| 15:10.55 | Ellipsis | WTB buff for life tap and dark pact to even the playing field |
| 15:11.01 | Towbar | ! |
| 15:11.07 | Grum | kebinusan: they are not, it's the only viable regenbuild atm |
| 15:11.23 | Towbar | !c azjol-nerub xeneph |
| 15:11.30 | Towbar | !c EU azjol-nerub xeneph |
| 15:11.34 | Wobin | Towbar: I think the bots on holiday |
| 15:11.37 | Towbar | kk |
| 15:11.49 | Towbar | he has 1850 ish + heal and 230 mp5 unbuffed |
| 15:11.53 | kebinusan | Not really, we've got a couple spirit whores |
| 15:11.58 | kebinusan | who never have mana issues |
| 15:12.01 | haarm | buahaha, this is fun, you can mess with anyone using talented by sending fake specs :D |
| 15:12.08 | Grum | Towbar: what gearlvl? |
| 15:12.48 | Towbar | tailor set and TK / SSC |
| 15:12.51 | Wobin | haarm: 41/41/41? =P |
| 15:13.01 | Towbar | spirt buff specced |
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| 15:13.08 | haarm | nah, i'm a shadow paladin atm :D |
| 15:13.10 | Towbar | ! |
| 15:13.17 | chexsum | i dont even have 340mp5 via spirit outside of combat on my priest :( |
| 15:13.34 | Towbar | :( |
| 15:13.34 | Wobin | I wonder what that would involve |
| 15:13.45 | Towbar | mp5 owns on a priest |
| 15:13.46 | Wobin | I guess, not too much of every other buff/stat/skill =P |
| 15:13.46 | kebinusan | We have a couple priests that are over 600 spirit unbuffed |
| 15:13.53 | elusif | is there anyway to find out the peak hours on my server for trading? |
| 15:13.56 | JoshBork1 | that's a lot of spirit |
| 15:14.03 | haarm | Towbar, but... by mess, i mean with polling you can override everyings talent screens, what a pain in the arse if they're trying to respec ;x |
| 15:14.04 | Towbar | means you can give a SP to a dps caster grp of mages or to hunters |
| 15:14.09 | haarm | *everyones |
| 15:14.13 | Grum | Towbar: it's not unbuffed |
| 15:14.21 | Grum | he has the regenpot up .. and spi |
| 15:14.22 | Wobin | I've always considered making a 'spirit' gear set |
| 15:14.24 | chexsum | i need the bangle proc to hit that much |
| 15:14.32 | Towbar | haarm: what enables that? |
| 15:14.45 | haarm | the talented mod |
| 15:14.49 | Ellipsis | wtf |
| 15:14.50 | Towbar | really? |
| 15:14.55 | Towbar | ... |
| 15:14.57 | Ellipsis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.58 | haarm | that accepts the rockcomm replies |
| 15:15.03 | Towbar | i use that |
| 15:15.06 | Ellipsis | that is my FAVORITE thing to do to botters |
| 15:15.19 | Grum | Ellipsis: and its stupid |
| 15:15.21 | Ellipsis | I don't even use it to piss off people who are farming against me =[ |
| 15:15.23 | Grum | you cant shackle them orso |
| 15:15.24 | Towbar | do I have to be in a raid grp for that to work? |
| 15:15.27 | Ellipsis | I only do it to botters... |
| 15:15.30 | kebinusan | But now I cant 'save' people from mobs |
| 15:15.32 | haarm | well if i sent dummy info to raid/guild every few seconds, good luck seeing your own talents :p |
| 15:15.42 | kebinusan | guess I can still fear them and watch the rogue chase it around |
| 15:16.10 | Towbar | haarm: pls elaborate |
| 15:16.46 | haarm | by default, on receipt of a response to a talent query, the default talent screen is overwritten with the data from the response |
| 15:16.53 | Grum | Towbar: next patch mp5 will not own as much anymore on a priest |
| 15:17.07 | haarm | so just sending our random responses where there was no request, overrides peoples screens |
| 15:17.09 | Ellipsis | wow haarm |
| 15:17.12 | Ellipsis | that's some fail |
| 15:17.19 | Towbar | haarm: class spefic talents or numbered per tree? |
| 15:17.34 | Towbar | gruum: it means they can change some mp5 enchants to +heal yea |
| 15:17.44 | Towbar | or bracers at least |
| 15:17.45 | haarm | towbar, anything you like |
| 15:17.53 | Towbar | haarm: thats retarded |
| 15:17.54 | vhaarr | kebinusan: okay got it working, just testing a bit |
| 15:18.08 | Towbar | why ? |
| 15:18.09 | kebinusan | vhaarr: very cool, ty |
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| 15:18.26 | Ellipsis | whoever put that in Talented was lazy, Towbar? |
| 15:18.46 | Ellipsis | not all authors consider exploitability of their code when first implementing something |
| 15:18.57 | Wobin | ~19*17*13*11*7*5*3*2 |
| 15:18.57 | purl | 9699690 |
| 15:19.09 | *** part/#wowace cubicool (n=cubicool@router.emperor-sw2.exsbs.net) |
| 15:19.13 | Ellipsis | is it bad that I instantly thought prime when you did that, Wobin? |
| 15:19.35 | Wobin | Yeah, I was trying to figure out the smallest humber divisible by each of the numbers 1 to 20 |
| 15:19.41 | Wobin | s/hum/num/ |
| 15:19.42 | Grum | funny, i see new buffs showing on the armory: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Xaros |
| 15:19.49 | Punkie` | Fisker-: you wanted me? |
| 15:20.01 | JoshBork1 | you mean prime numbers wobin? |
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| 15:20.22 | Grum | 'factorate' or what's it called .. getting the factors of a number :) |
| 15:20.32 | Ellipsis | I don't get it Grum, those buffs look fine to me o.O |
| 15:20.40 | Wobin | although that may not be the right answer |
| 15:20.48 | Grum | Ellipsis: it never showed BoK |
| 15:20.57 | Grum | and somehow it's not showing BoW/BoS |
| 15:21.04 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 15:21.09 | Ellipsis | did they have a buff duration limit before? |
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| 15:21.15 | Grum | dunno |
| 15:21.22 | Ellipsis | maybe the increased blessing durations put it over the limit to show in armory or something |
| 15:21.23 | Grum | but i'm also unsure if the stats are affected by em or not |
| 15:21.43 | Grum | my mp5 seems low but could be ok if what they show is what it is |
| 15:21.49 | Grum | missing BoW+weapon oil then |
| 15:22.51 | Grum | but that makes it a bit high O.o |
| 15:22.56 | *** join/#wowace sztanpet (n=sztanpet@84.236.88.142) |
| 15:23.16 | Grum | 286+14+41 (or 49) |
| 15:23.27 | Grum | 342 .. mmm i know that number O.o |
| 15:23.36 | Ellipsis | what's the 49? talented bow? |
| 15:23.39 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:23.41 | Ellipsis | ah |
| 15:23.42 | Grum | +20% |
| 15:24.07 | Grum | <3 mp5 while casting |
| 15:24.13 | Towbar | ye |
| 15:24.40 | Grum | i any 5 minute fight i regen 20520 mana :D |
| 15:24.45 | Ellipsis | Grum: are you a priest or a cloth-pally? |
| 15:24.51 | Towbar | lol |
| 15:24.51 | Grum | priest ;) |
| 15:24.55 | Ellipsis | armory is bugged for me and doesn't show me some text strings, x.x |
| 15:25.13 | Towbar | ellipsis: .... its armory |
| 15:25.22 | Towbar | it's always bugged |
| 15:25.31 | Grum | its web2.0 ... it abuses ajax |
| 15:25.42 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 15:25.49 | Srosh | It gets abused by it! |
| 15:25.57 | Ellipsis | yeah but it would still be cool if I could, y'know, see what class the character I'm looking at is |
| 15:26.08 | sztanpet | oh please guys fix the profile copying issues |
| 15:26.10 | Ellipsis | just a thought |
| 15:26.15 | Grum | hehehe |
| 15:26.31 | Ellipsis | bonus points if they let me see those tabs across the top (or even click them) |
| 15:26.37 | Grum | sztanpet: you are so clear with that statement (and no dont continue - i cant care less) |
| 15:26.49 | Ellipsis | and item names would just be icing on the cake |
| 15:26.53 | Grum | hehehe |
| 15:27.13 | Grum | i could get 10mp5 more from enchant O.o |
| 15:27.14 | Ellipsis | Grum, he probably means the rock db profile copying, it doesn't work properly |
| 15:27.16 | sztanpet | whats there to be clear about, profile copying doesnt work in rock |
| 15:27.34 | Ellipsis | I'm gonna try and bug ckknight to check that out today while he's fixing my other rockdb bug :P |
| 15:27.37 | Grum | [17:26:08] <sztanpet> oh please guys fix the profile copying issues <-- that so *clearly* mentions rock |
| 15:27.49 | Towbar | lol |
| 15:27.56 | sztanpet | oh right, sorry about that |
| 15:28.03 | Grum | ;) |
| 15:29.14 | Grum | omg it seems we're going with 6 priests to ssc tonight O.o |
| 15:29.26 | Towbar | how many holy? |
| 15:29.32 | kebinusan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.37 | Grum | 4 :D |
| 15:29.39 | kebinusan | heh |
| 15:29.40 | Towbar | that will be a fast run |
| 15:29.43 | Towbar | SP ftw |
| 15:29.50 | Towbar | 4 holy priests? |
| 15:29.54 | xyu` | my guild doesn't run ssc and it makes me sad. |
| 15:30.00 | Towbar | gl :) |
| 15:30.01 | Grum | yeah 4 O.o |
| 15:30.05 | Grum | we just have 2 pallies tonight |
| 15:30.11 | Towbar | holy priests are way too swuishy |
| 15:30.16 | Towbar | squishey |
| 15:30.19 | Grum | oh .. mm i'm going to have the shaman respec again ;D |
| 15:30.28 | xyu` | poor shammys |
| 15:30.34 | lprich | Yeah, shammy's got some good changes. |
| 15:30.37 | Grum | druid,paladinx2,priestx3,shaman it will prolly be |
| 15:30.46 | xyu` | be fine |
| 15:30.50 | Grum | oh yeah |
| 15:30.57 | Grum | we'll kill the first 4 bosses tonight |
| 15:31.08 | Grum | (not leo) |
| 15:31.14 | xyu` | hopefully we can down kael'thas so i can start going to SSC again |
| 15:31.15 | lprich | <--- lvl 21 shammy on Tichondrius |
| 15:31.18 | xyu` | need vashj's robes |
| 15:31.21 | Towbar | we will clear to kael and wipe untill we get teh rest of the guild attuned :( |
| 15:31.32 | Towbar | and more delay on my 4 part t5 bonus from head :() |
| 15:31.39 | Grum | how 'easy' is kael versus vashj? |
| 15:31.49 | Towbar | vashj = one shot |
| 15:31.53 | xyu` | vashj is easier imo |
| 15:31.54 | Towbar | kael is a f***er |
| 15:31.57 | Grum | and how easy is MH/BT (first couple of bosses) vs Kael/Vashj? |
| 15:32.13 | Towbar | no idea we only killed kael once |
| 15:32.21 | Srosh | Laughingly easy- |
| 15:32.25 | Grum | it is ? |
| 15:32.33 | Grum | humz that is at least some incentive to push on |
| 15:32.34 | [Ammo] | MH is a cakewalk |
| 15:32.38 | [Ammo] | we had 2 nights in MH |
| 15:32.40 | [Ammo] | downed 3 bosses |
| 15:32.46 | Grum | we've been banging our head on Vashj for 2 weeks now :) |
| 15:32.56 | Towbar | what makes you wipe? |
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| 15:32.59 | xyu` | our first kill we had 4 people alive lol |
| 15:33.01 | Grum | tainteds |
| 15:33.03 | Towbar | slow on cores? |
| 15:33.07 | Towbar | ahh |
| 15:33.08 | Grum | not getting them indeed |
| 15:33.11 | Wobin | Grum: Tie a sword to your head? |
| 15:33.13 | Towbar | what setup you using?> |
| 15:33.22 | [Ammo] | Grum: get someone in each sector |
| 15:33.25 | [Ammo] | to be vocal on vent |
| 15:33.26 | Towbar | whats your naga team? |
| 15:33.28 | [Ammo] | announce it |
| 15:33.39 | [Ammo] | and have one person being there to back up the tainted group |
| 15:33.44 | Grum | 4xmelee on enchanteds, hunters as 'backup' |
| 15:33.46 | Wobin | "OMG aiee, notthefacenottheface!"? |
| 15:33.56 | Towbar | with 4 melee you should not need hunters |
| 15:33.59 | Grum | 2 tanks (1 pally) and default kiter/7healers etc |
| 15:34.11 | [Ammo] | elementals should be dealt with by hunters/casters |
| 15:34.13 | Towbar | we do it with 3 rogues |
| 15:34.24 | Grum | Towbar: all of the elementals? |
| 15:34.27 | Towbar | bear tank for 5% crit |
| 15:34.34 | Towbar | grum: the nagas |
| 15:34.36 | [Ammo] | nagas burned by rogues and rogues grab leaking elementals |
| 15:34.39 | Grum | ooh |
| 15:34.41 | Towbar | use ranged classes on the elementals |
| 15:34.46 | [Ammo] | yeah ranged on elementals |
| 15:34.48 | Towbar | ammo: exactly |
| 15:34.48 | [Ammo] | since they spawn apart |
| 15:34.56 | Grum | well we had problems with them running oom |
| 15:35.02 | Grum | and they can actually manage for 6 minutes and leaking 2-3 orso |
| 15:35.03 | Towbar | when there is a tainted the rogues can cleanup the leaks |
| 15:35.07 | CIA-12 | 03schelli 07Schelli * r50778 10IceHUD/ (3 files): IceHUD : major revision with loads of changes |
| 15:35.10 | [Ammo] | indeed |
| 15:35.27 | Grum | humz |
| 15:35.33 | CIA-12 | 03schelli 07Schelli * r50779 10IceHUD_Hunter/modules/ (Range.lua Trinkets.lua Trinkets2.lua XPWeakness.lua): IceHUD_Hunter : mostly minor changes to some modules |
| 15:35.34 | Grum | what classes to use on the enchanteds then? |
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| 15:35.38 | [Ammo] | we usually have 2 warlocks and 2 hunters on the elementals |
| 15:35.42 | Towbar | post healers at the top of the stairs |
| 15:35.48 | [Ammo] | and one mage roaming to help out of there is aproblem or get tainteds |
| 15:35.50 | Grum | healers are first hop |
| 15:35.53 | Towbar | dont let them move down |
| 15:35.57 | Towbar | yea |
| 15:35.57 | [Ammo] | one warrior roaming too (the extra unneeded tank) |
| 15:36.10 | Grum | the unneeded tank picks up the new elites |
| 15:36.10 | [Ammo] | that warrior is also the one that coordinates the core jumps |
| 15:36.14 | Towbar | then have a warior who is on naga pickup as core user |
| 15:36.16 | Towbar | :) |
| 15:36.20 | [Ammo] | Grum: we have 2 bears on elites |
| 15:36.27 | Towbar | works the same |
| 15:36.39 | [Ammo] | 1 arms warrior for core cooridination |
| 15:36.40 | Grum | we lacked some dps, so we took war+pala |
| 15:36.47 | Towbar | one sweeper tank bring them to naga tank and rogues nuke |
| 15:36.58 | baer_ | anyone here uses Parrot? |
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| 15:37.02 | Grum | i do |
| 15:37.09 | Towbar | get the pally to heal with rightous fury on so the nagas run to him |
| 15:37.14 | CIA-12 | 03jerry * r50781 10Talented_Data/Talented_Data.toc: Talented_Data: regenerate for 2.2.2 |
| 15:37.15 | Grum | it seemed like it was no problem handling the adds for 5 minutes straight |
| 15:37.15 | durcyn | we use three ranged in the middle on striders, which are kited by a hunter, then 6 zones on the stairs with the rest of the ranged and melee filling in the gaps, then the rest of the melee in the middle on nagas |
| 15:37.17 | Towbar | sames time running about |
| 15:37.18 | baer_ | i'm consider installing it. |
| 15:37.19 | Grum | the only problem is the cores atm |
| 15:37.25 | Grum | baer_: it rocks |
| 15:37.32 | Towbar | once you get the cores sorted your fine |
| 15:37.36 | Grum | yea |
| 15:37.37 | durcyn | the sides just have to call nagas, striders, and tainted when they spawn |
| 15:37.39 | baer_ | Grum: is it > msbt? |
| 15:37.42 | Grum | dunno |
| 15:37.45 | Towbar | get people to make macros: |
| 15:37.46 | Grum | used sct before |
| 15:37.50 | Grum | we have throw macros |
| 15:37.51 | Towbar | NAGA - 3 oClock |
| 15:37.54 | Grum | ooh |
| 15:37.54 | Grum | mmm |
| 15:37.58 | Towbar | TAINTED: 4 oClock |
| 15:38.11 | Grum | they ping the map on a tainted |
| 15:38.11 | [Ammo] | we have 4 sectors and sector is called on vent |
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| 15:38.19 | kebinusan | I like vashj, I just wish the mobs only cleaved for like 5k |
| 15:38.29 | Towbar | that cleave is sick |
| 15:38.33 | Towbar | on the bagas |
| 15:38.35 | Towbar | nagas |
| 15:38.39 | kebinusan | we only bring 1 priest to vashj most of the time cause they always get pwnt |
| 15:38.41 | Grum | i hate the 'critting multishot' |
| 15:38.44 | Grum | seriously STUPID |
| 15:38.54 | Towbar | priest = buff boy and Soulstoned on vashj |
| 15:38.57 | Towbar | :D |
| 15:39.15 | Towbar | PoM bouncing about can be effective |
| 15:39.33 | Towbar | chainhealer in range of melee |
| 15:39.35 | Grum | we usually have the priests healing the dps at the edge |
| 15:39.38 | [Ammo] | Grum: you should focus on getting tainted cores |
| 15:39.44 | [Ammo] | that should bee your only focus |
| 15:39.47 | Towbar | yea cores > all |
| 15:39.49 | Grum | [Ammo]: yeah that's what we figured =) |
| 15:39.56 | [Ammo] | and get ranged on elementals |
| 15:40.03 | Grum | that might make it easier |
| 15:40.06 | [Ammo] | we use that girl video |
| 15:40.07 | Grum | but what do you do with the looting then? |
| 15:40.11 | [Ammo] | the strat in them |
| 15:40.12 | Towbar | hunters or lolguard locks are good for them |
| 15:40.15 | [Ammo] | the healer in that sector loots |
| 15:40.19 | [Ammo] | and tosses up to the roaming warrior |
| 15:40.23 | Grum | mmmm |
| 15:40.23 | kebinusan | getting tainteds down is so huge on that fight, one missed one = 40 seconds of mana loss and that can be terrible going into phase 3 for your casters |
| 15:40.26 | [Ammo] | healer runs up back to positoin |
| 15:40.28 | Grum | that is an intresting strat |
| 15:40.31 | [Ammo] | -> gets tossed |
| 15:40.42 | [Ammo] | and tosses back to warrior who should be next to the pole then |
| 15:40.45 | Grum | i have to say we have sucking warlocks |
| 15:40.51 | Towbar | and never chuck the core to a kiter :) |
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| 15:40.58 | Ellipsis | I think you do, Grum ;P |
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| 15:41.03 | Grum | hehe we had that Towbar;D |
| 15:41.07 | Towbar | so did we :) |
| 15:41.09 | [Ammo] | have one person SOLELY responsible for cores |
| 15:41.09 | Grum | hilarious :D |
| 15:41.12 | [Ammo] | until you can do it reliable |
| 15:41.13 | Ellipsis | if they're really having that much trouble |
| 15:41.14 | Towbar | haha yea |
| 15:41.21 | Grum | [Ammo]: wont that be a problem? |
| 15:41.31 | Grum | as that person can do nothing for 50% of the time in p2? |
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| 15:41.34 | [Ammo] | just make it your most useless warrior |
| 15:41.37 | [Ammo] | no he can |
| 15:41.42 | [Ammo] | he can help out on leaks etc |
| 15:41.45 | [Ammo] | untill a tainted is called |
| 15:41.45 | Grum | true |
| 15:41.46 | Wobin | he can dance! |
| 15:41.46 | Towbar | a warrior is good for that |
| 15:41.49 | Towbar | we use MT |
| 15:41.51 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 15:41.54 | [Ammo] | some warrior should do it |
| 15:41.58 | Towbar | he can kill 1k hp elementals |
| 15:41.59 | kebinusan | Curse of recklessness on the naga during p2 is very nice for the rogues |
| 15:42.09 | [Ammo] | and make sure he coordinates the tosses of cores |
| 15:42.10 | kebinusan | or w/e melee you have on em |
| 15:42.12 | Towbar | yea indeed |
| 15:42.14 | [Ammo] | have him talk on vent and handle it |
| 15:42.15 | Punkie` | our warrior is useless except for cores! :D |
| 15:42.19 | Trell_ | FuBar_PotHerbFu: whats this do |
| 15:42.21 | [Ammo] | Punkie`: yeah he is |
| 15:42.22 | Trell_ | nothing on wiki |
| 15:42.27 | Grum | how many tanks do you take? |
| 15:42.29 | Punkie` | there should be more cores on more bosses |
| 15:42.31 | Grum | you prolly do a fullclear |
| 15:42.32 | Punkie` | so he can d something |
| 15:42.35 | kebinusan | Trell, check the toc on the svn |
| 15:42.36 | Towbar | 3 is all you need |
| 15:42.37 | Grum | do you take 3 tanks at least? |
| 15:42.40 | Towbar | 1 for MT |
| 15:42.48 | [Ammo] | we take MT, 2 bears and arms tank usually |
| 15:42.48 | Towbar | 2 for naga pickup |
| 15:42.48 | kebinusan | we take 2 tanks |
| 15:42.50 | [Ammo] | maybe even 5 |
| 15:42.51 | [Ammo] | shrug |
| 15:42.56 | [Ammo] | but only 1 prot tank 2 bears |
| 15:43.03 | Punkie` | nah, 3 is pretty much all is needed |
| 15:43.15 | Grum | i'll suggest it - i can prolly sell the 'range on cores will at least guarantee the kill' |
| 15:43.16 | Punkie` | you should not have more than 2 naga up at a time |
| 15:43.26 | [Ammo] | so get your fury or arms tank to talk on vent |
| 15:43.26 | Towbar | the pally healing with roghtous fury is good for intercept pickup |
| 15:43.29 | [Ammo] | and rush to the tainted |
| 15:43.30 | Towbar | rightous* |
| 15:43.33 | Punkie` | 3 rogues -> nuke naga = easy |
| 15:43.36 | [Ammo] | he can usually charge it and get a few hits in as well |
| 15:43.41 | [Ammo] | and loot it or let the healer loot it |
| 15:43.43 | Grum | Towbar: good idea as well |
| 15:43.43 | [Ammo] | and toss it up up u[ |
| 15:43.45 | Towbar | yea 3 rogues own nagas with a bear |
| 15:43.51 | Grum | how long does the corpse stay? |
| 15:43.53 | Grum | till you loot? |
| 15:43.54 | neenee | Hm. Does anyone have ae Dreamlayout layout for Cycircled? |
| 15:44.01 | Towbar | and make sure FFA loot is on! |
| 15:44.03 | [Ammo] | Grum: just let the healer loot it asap |
| 15:44.08 | Punkie` | neenee: which bar addon? |
| 15:44.09 | Grum | yeah we loled with that as well Towbar |
| 15:44.09 | [Ammo] | he can heal with the core |
| 15:44.10 | kebinusan | Get BigWigs_VashjFFA if you ML stuff |
| 15:44.13 | Towbar | rofl the few times it was need greed |
| 15:44.19 | neenee | punkie - autobar/trinketmenu. |
| 15:44.22 | Towbar | all our runs are need greed pass |
| 15:44.23 | kebinusan | I cant tell you how many times we've lost cores because I forgot to set FFA |
| 15:44.26 | Punkie` | neenee: ah |
| 15:44.28 | neenee | I know Bartender has it, but I use that already |
| 15:44.35 | Punkie` | neenee: autobar has it btw |
| 15:44.37 | Towbar | greed greens pass marks pass epics till sorted |
| 15:44.46 | Grum | we just ML the epics |
| 15:44.51 | Grum | (i ML em ^^) |
| 15:44.54 | Towbar | :) |
| 15:44.55 | [Ammo] | Grum: there is an excellent explanation video on warcraftmovies |
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| 15:44.58 | Grum | and fuck up occasionally :D |
| 15:44.58 | [Ammo] | with a hot girl talking |
| 15:45.01 | Towbar | seen ML bug so many times |
| 15:45.01 | Grum | yeah got that on my desktop ^^ |
| 15:45.06 | Towbar | and we all trust guildies |
| 15:45.07 | kebinusan | we ml greens cause the bank keeps ilidari marks and hands them out as needed |
| 15:45.10 | [Ammo] | just follow that strat and go |
| 15:45.10 | Punkie` | Grum: it's hard to make a first kill if you miss more than one core btw |
| 15:45.14 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:45.22 | Grum | i've opted for 'call it a wipe' after we miss 1 |
| 15:45.25 | Grum | or have 2 dps die |
| 15:45.26 | Towbar | punkie: agree |
| 15:45.31 | [Ammo] | Grum: practice is good though |
| 15:45.31 | kebinusan | grum, nah keep going for practice |
| 15:45.35 | Towbar | and never waste a BR in phase 1 |
| 15:45.36 | [Ammo] | wiping -> no more practice |
| 15:45.43 | Grum | we did 10+ runs before |
| 15:45.45 | Punkie` | indeed, just keep going |
| 15:45.48 | Grum | and it goes ok except for the core-looting |
| 15:45.49 | neenee | Punkie`, oh, let me check that then. |
| 15:45.52 | kebinusan | The enrage timer in p3 is a bit too close for my tastes tho |
| 15:45.58 | neenee | Oh yea, I already knew |
| 15:46.00 | [Ammo] | I think we had 3 locks 4 mages on our first kill |
| 15:46.01 | Towbar | keep all cds for P3 |
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| 15:46.05 | neenee | I just meant trinketmenu :) |
| 15:46.07 | Towbar | heroism, ad rush etc etc |
| 15:46.15 | kebinusan | and <3 rogues getting rooted in poison |
| 15:46.23 | Punkie` | kebinusan: get more gnomes |
| 15:46.24 | Towbar | imp sprint, clos, vanish |
| 15:46.25 | Grum | hehe |
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| 15:46.27 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.27 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.29 | Towbar | there is 3 ways to get out |
| 15:46.34 | Punkie` | 4 if a gnome :P |
| 15:46.36 | Towbar | and i have surefooted so i resist a few |
| 15:46.43 | Towbar | evul gnomes |
| 15:46.45 | Towbar | ! |
| 15:46.50 | Punkie` | silence fagelf |
| 15:46.54 | Punkie` | ~lart Towbar |
| 15:46.54 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Towbar's direction, hitting Towbar and sending Towbar flying into the closet |
| 15:47.03 | Towbar | LOL |
| 15:47.19 | Grum | but at the end of a night with 10 tries already going 5-7 minutes deep into phase2 |
| 15:47.27 | Grum | i dont think practice is useful |
| 15:47.28 | [Ammo] | Grum: go in with 3 rogues and lots of ranged dps |
| 15:47.31 | Ailleus | an elf and a gnome fighing, ill just grab popcorn and sit down to watch the show |
| 15:47.33 | Towbar | grum, it is |
| 15:47.33 | Punkie` | Grum: you're wrong |
| 15:47.42 | [Ammo] | well if you don't put the ranged on the elementals your practice is useless |
| 15:47.43 | Punkie` | practice makes perfect |
| 15:47.59 | Grum | yeah but how would killing adds in a completely wonky situation be useful? |
| 15:48.02 | Punkie` | Ailleus: sthu! non-gnome! |
| 15:48.03 | Towbar | after our first vashj kill we one shot her almost every week after |
| 15:48.09 | Punkie` | ~lart Ailleus |
| 15:48.09 | purl | installs PocketPC on Ailleus's PDA |
| 15:48.09 | Grum | it's mostly after we loose more than 2 people btw |
| 15:48.15 | Towbar | bar a few new people for vials |
| 15:48.19 | [Ammo] | I think our setup is usually: warlock+paladin sector 4, hunter+somehealer sector 3, mage+healer sector 2, warlock+healer sector 1 |
| 15:48.30 | [Ammo] | with one mage roaming between 2 and 3 to help out on taintined |
| 15:48.38 | [Ammo] | and one hunter on sector one to helkp out since it's a big one |
| 15:48.46 | Towbar | hunter specs? |
| 15:48.49 | Punkie` | BM |
| 15:48.50 | Towbar | dont say marks |
| 15:48.54 | Grum | must not be BM from what i hear |
| 15:48.59 | [Ammo] | BM |
| 15:49.01 | Punkie` | our hunters are BM |
| 15:49.02 | Grum | BM sucked for adds from waht i heared |
| 15:49.07 | [Ammo] | works fine |
| 15:49.07 | Grum | because the pet is slooooooow |
| 15:49.08 | Towbar | one survival is nice ina raid |
| 15:49.10 | Towbar | rest BM |
| 15:49.11 | Trell_ | <3 Grum. |
| 15:49.18 | Trell_ | that is all. |
| 15:49.19 | Punkie` | it only sucks if their pet dies :P |
| 15:49.27 | Grum | Grid has no pet support |
| 15:49.30 | Towbar | yea 250-300 dps pets are nice |
| 15:49.31 | Grum | so it will die =D |
| 15:49.36 | Punkie` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.37 | [Ammo] | anyway, that leaves 2 shadowpriests + warlock + remaining mages on strider |
| 15:49.39 | kebinusan | theres a branch with pet support |
| 15:49.44 | Grum | i do on the hunter in my section |
| 15:49.44 | Towbar | thats why we put a SP in hunter grp |
| 15:49.54 | Towbar | shadow heal pets and gives mana for full burn |
| 15:49.58 | [Ammo] | 3 rogues on nagas, 2 bears tanking there with one in cat form till he's needed otherwise |
| 15:49.59 | kebinusan | Do you guys have a hunter or two on bats in p3? |
| 15:50.05 | Punkie` | yes |
| 15:50.06 | [Ammo] | kebinusan: yeah we do |
| 15:50.08 | Towbar | we use our locks |
| 15:50.09 | [Ammo] | all hunters in fact |
| 15:50.11 | Grum | i'd say all hunters with max of 3 on the bats |
| 15:50.16 | Grum | ooh |
| 15:50.18 | [Ammo] | which is usually 2 |
| 15:50.19 | Grum | can the locks seed? |
| 15:50.20 | Towbar | and a curvival hunter on vashj for melee |
| 15:50.27 | dylanm | ~seen cogwheel |
| 15:50.29 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@c-67-164-121-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 13h 41m 3s ago, saying: 'meh... timings off... bbl'. |
| 15:50.29 | Towbar | survival |
| 15:50.32 | Punkie` | Grum: wasted lock dps tbh :P |
| 15:50.39 | Grum | but it will kill bats FAST |
| 15:50.40 | Grum | MEH |
| 15:50.41 | Grum | gotto go |
| 15:50.43 | Grum | train |
| 15:50.46 | Punkie` | laters |
| 15:50.47 | Towbar | yea but then can dot vashj and help with bats |
| 15:50.57 | Towbar | killing the bats is vital so the melee get to nuke |
| 15:51.10 | [Ammo] | well our 2 hunters handle it just fine |
| 15:51.12 | Punkie` | [Ammo]: you suck and want to make babies with Towbar's elf |
| 15:51.13 | [Ammo] | no need for locks on bats |
| 15:51.20 | Towbar | a seed or two wont hurt |
| 15:51.22 | [Ammo] | Punkie`: I own, autoattack on #1 |
| 15:51.29 | [Ammo] | Towbar: it won't indeed |
| 15:51.32 | [Ammo] | but we usually don't bother |
| 15:51.41 | kebinusan | we've been struggling with the enrage timer in p3 but we get alot of poison before that so Id imagine tossing another on bats would be helpful |
| 15:51.51 | Punkie` | kebinusan: definately |
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| 15:52.10 | [Ammo] | we burn bats till we hit approximately 20% or below on vashj |
| 15:52.15 | Punkie` | yup |
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| 15:52.24 | Towbar | the enrage timer doesnt make vashj hit harder its jsut perma green crap on floor so you can perma kite vashj and ranged can still nuke alot for last few % |
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| 15:52.24 | [Ammo] | then the call is made for hunters to switch to vashj |
| 15:52.26 | ragingdem | wowace = world of warcraft ace or something? :D |
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| 15:52.32 | ragingdem | omg yes it is |
| 15:52.32 | neenee | Are there any alternatives to autobar? |
| 15:52.42 | ragingdem | so what is this chan for anyways? private server? :D |
| 15:52.47 | Punkie` | ~lart ragingdem |
| 15:52.47 | purl | whips out his power stapler and staples ragingdem's foot to the floor |
| 15:52.54 | [Ammo] | ragingdem: the wowace community |
| 15:52.57 | Punkie` | it's for Ace addons |
| 15:52.58 | [Ammo] | which is an addon coding ocmmunity |
| 15:52.59 | madmarv | and whats that ? |
| 15:53.03 | Towbar | and vashj discussions |
| 15:53.07 | kebinusan | ~whaletubes ragingdem |
| 15:53.08 | purl | ACTION stuffs an incredibly flexible whale named Theodore into ragingdem's tubes. ragingdem's internets no worky :( |
| 15:53.08 | Towbar | :P |
| 15:53.08 | madmarv | oh |
| 15:53.11 | madmarv | thats uber cool |
| 15:53.12 | madmarv | lol |
| 15:53.12 | [Ammo] | haha naah it's the help Grum :p |
| 15:53.20 | Towbar | ~emo |
| 15:53.20 | purl | /wrists |
| 15:53.23 | madmarv | its official chan for the addon? |
| 15:53.26 | Towbar | <3 purl |
| 15:53.27 | Punkie` | no |
| 15:53.32 | kebinusan | ~botsnack |
| 15:53.32 | purl | kebinusan: aw, gee |
| 15:53.36 | Punkie` | it's a community for people who make addons |
| 15:53.37 | cncfanatics | madmarv, ace ain't an addon :p |
| 15:53.43 | Punkie` | ace is a framework |
| 15:53.44 | madmarv | then wtf is it! |
| 15:53.51 | madmarv | i dont get it :D |
| 15:53.56 | Punkie` | and you never will |
| 15:53.56 | Ailleus | and wensday nights are fightnights..like today gnomes..i mean dwarve vs nightelf |
| 15:54.01 | Punkie` | ~whalenuke madmarv |
| 15:54.01 | purl | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around madmarv with his mind powers |
| 15:54.01 | madmarv | lol |
| 15:54.06 | Towbar | ace is a framework that lets other peple make addons |
| 15:54.12 | Higdur | Dr. Damage broke upon last update for my paladin |
| 15:54.22 | madmarv | ah i see |
| 15:54.26 | kebinusan | too bad the brewfest beer goggles only last 7 days |
| 15:54.30 | madmarv | can u explain "framework" more plz? :P |
| 15:54.30 | kebinusan | I like seeing everyone as gnomes |
| 15:54.33 | Punkie` | kebinusan: damn straight |
| 15:54.35 | Higdur | last update beeing about 15 min ago |
| 15:54.44 | madmarv | i'm a little... foreign lol |
| 15:54.46 | [Ammo] | madmarv: abstraction layer on the WoW API for easier and rapid development |
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| 15:55.00 | Towbar | madmarv: it is a set of tools that provide features to let people make addons using common librarys |
| 15:55.06 | Punkie` | [Ammo]: install !AlarLib for double the power imho! |
| 15:55.07 | madmarv | oh |
| 15:55.13 | madmarv | i see |
| 15:55.16 | [Ammo] | Punkie`: my eyes, my eyes.... |
| 15:55.18 | Towbar | ammo: more technical! |
| 15:55.21 | madmarv | and the framework name is ace :P |
| 15:55.37 | Punkie` | yes |
| 15:55.39 | Punkie` | hometime |
| 15:55.42 | Towbar | so yea then jsut go kill vashj |
| 15:55.44 | Towbar | :D |
| 15:55.49 | Towbar | and then mute vent |
| 15:55.54 | Towbar | to save ear bleeds |
| 15:55.57 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 15:56.01 | [Ammo] | I loved our orgasm last night |
| 15:56.06 | madmarv | well cool, i'm glad u're not some noobs trying to run a private server or something |
| 15:56.06 | [Ammo] | killed 3rd boss in MH |
| 15:56.12 | Towbar | man our vent when we killed kael.. |
| 15:56.14 | madmarv | cause freenode have always been pro :) |
| 15:56.18 | Towbar | it actually hurt |
| 15:56.18 | [Ammo] | with 1 man standing |
| 15:56.28 | Towbar | lol |
| 15:56.35 | [Ammo] | it was WOOOAAAAAAh |
| 15:56.39 | [Ammo] | and then 'anyone alive?' |
| 15:56.50 | [Ammo] | first pull on him too |
| 15:56.57 | Towbar | imba |
| 15:56.59 | [Ammo] | after that shaman selfress and lewt |
| 15:57.10 | [Ammo] | best use for shamans alliance side! |
| 15:57.14 | Towbar | ankh is imba |
| 15:57.16 | Towbar | love it |
| 15:57.31 | Towbar | saves so much running |
| 15:57.33 | madmarv | can u guys check my pvp video i made with my warrior? :D its not something that special cause i frapsed the whole movie in few hours only and edited quickly in vegas with cob music :D |
| 15:58.09 | Towbar | are you prot, cause I dont know if I can bear 5 mins duels |
| 15:58.13 | Towbar | :P |
| 15:58.17 | madmarv | noooo not duels |
| 15:58.20 | Towbar | haha |
| 15:58.22 | Towbar | kidding |
| 15:58.27 | madmarv | its just.. an orc warrior group pvp style |
| 15:58.30 | Ailleus | ankh -> lazy man's taxi? |
| 15:58.33 | madmarv | its GROUP.. the way warriors fight :P |
| 15:58.57 | Towbar | i prefer attacking grps and killing them on my rogue |
| 15:59.00 | madmarv | but gotta tell u, not many special fights in there.. i was half naked and.. only shot in few hours not MONTHS and got only my best shots :P |
| 15:59.08 | Ailleus | you mean you gang up with 4 other warriors to beat a small gnome warlock into the edge of insanity? |
| 15:59.11 | madmarv | heh rogue.. awesome pvp man |
| 15:59.16 | madmarv | hehe no |
| 15:59.19 | madmarv | watch it |
| 15:59.23 | Towbar | i would watch that! |
| 15:59.30 | Towbar | 4 warrior vs a gnome lock? |
| 15:59.41 | Ailleus | tauren warriors imo! |
| 15:59.48 | Towbar | ./moo |
| 15:59.49 | madmarv | if u want a good quality, look it up in warcraftmovies, search for madmarv orc warrior |
| 16:00.03 | madmarv | or in youtube if u're too lazy :P search for madmarv orc warrior pvp or something |
| 16:00.08 | Ailleus | with winterfall firewater and that troll village buff + for example bloodlust..mm |
| 16:01.25 | madmarv | well its simple. 3 parts in the movie: 1. AV, i get heals and zerg in those allies.. 2. Eots, almost same.. but got some funny shots in there. 3. WSG, mostly 1v1 encounters. then the end and creditsx ;p |
| 16:01.51 | CIA-12 | 03saroz * r50785 10BigBrother/ (embeds.xml libs/): |
| 16:01.51 | CIA-12 | BigBrother: |
| 16:01.51 | CIA-12 | - More missing libs (Dewdrop) |
| 16:01.53 | Towbar | but I would own you |
| 16:01.58 | Towbar | unles you have maces |
| 16:02.00 | Towbar | mace* |
| 16:02.08 | madmarv | me? |
| 16:02.09 | madmarv | i hate maces.. |
| 16:02.11 | Towbar | yea for sure |
| 16:02.15 | madmarv | i would pick swords for pvp |
| 16:02.20 | Towbar | ahh cool then you're dead |
| 16:02.27 | Towbar | unless your 5 part merc |
| 16:02.32 | Towbar | with vet gear |
| 16:02.36 | madmarv | but i go for axes cause i'm an orc.. see i'm a fan of grom :P |
| 16:02.38 | Towbar | how much resi have you? |
| 16:02.50 | madmarv | well i only have 2 part s2 gladiator |
| 16:02.55 | madmarv | the rest are hwl gear.. |
| 16:02.57 | madmarv | and lunar crecent |
| 16:03.00 | Towbar | yea, would own ya |
| 16:03.02 | Towbar | :) |
| 16:03.06 | madmarv | what class are u? |
| 16:03.08 | Towbar | rogue |
| 16:03.12 | madmarv | ah |
| 16:03.17 | madmarv | no u wouldnt :P |
| 16:03.25 | madmarv | i mean many classes can beat me |
| 16:03.27 | Towbar | ;) |
| 16:03.28 | Ailleus | swords? as i 2 swords? for 2v2, 3v3, 1v1 mace is the obious choise, for 5v5 2hsword is marginally better then mace |
| 16:03.28 | madmarv | warlocks.. shadowpriests.. |
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| 16:03.45 | madmarv | hmm druids.. druids beat everyone :P |
| 16:03.57 | madmarv | dont tell me "not realy" lol |
| 16:04.06 | madmarv | cause i dueled a lot of druids.. many of them i won |
| 16:04.11 | madmarv | but there was still this one druid |
| 16:04.11 | Towbar | 4 part merc set with all vet gear, WSC, 11.1k hp and 370 resi |
| 16:04.16 | Towbar | combat swords |
| 16:04.21 | madmarv | that i dueled 100 fucking times and NO ONE TIME i could beat |
| 16:04.29 | madmarv | oh |
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| 16:04.34 | madmarv | well u might get me in some fights |
| 16:04.35 | madmarv | :) |
| 16:04.38 | madmarv | why not man.. |
| 16:04.38 | Towbar | "some" |
| 16:04.42 | Towbar | hehe |
| 16:04.47 | madmarv | everything possible |
| 16:04.51 | cncfanatics | ~drm |
| 16:04.52 | purl | hmm... drm is http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Rights Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp ... the best big black-caca from the ass of gates Just Say No (tm), or http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html |
| 16:04.52 | Towbar | if you use recklessness you might get me |
| 16:04.57 | madmarv | i'm a warrior.. not a redicoulisly overpowered SL/SL lock :P |
| 16:05.05 | Towbar | wtb plate |
| 16:05.10 | madmarv | no u see Towbar, |
| 16:05.19 | Towbar | merc geared shadow priests have more armor than me in leather |
| 16:05.22 | Towbar | explain that |
| 16:05.22 | madmarv | if i had any clue, that u would beat me, i'd disarm u |
| 16:05.24 | alext | force the rogue to pop CLOS, curse of exhaustion kite after that |
| 16:05.27 | alext | win! |
| 16:05.28 | Towbar | mad |
| 16:05.31 | Towbar | you cannot disarm me |
| 16:05.35 | Towbar | hence i OWN warriors |
| 16:05.36 | madmarv | but i dont do that to rogues.. i usualy disarm paladins and shamans :P |
| 16:05.37 | cncfanatics | alext, how u gonna do that ? |
| 16:05.37 | Towbar | :P |
| 16:05.51 | madmarv | dude |
| 16:05.51 | alext | you dot them up and hope their CLOS happy |
| 16:05.57 | deltron | madmarv: waste of rage |
| 16:06.03 | alext | they pop it, you try to live for 3-4 seconds while the effects are there |
| 16:06.06 | alext | skillcoil when its done |
| 16:06.14 | cncfanatics | alext, most smart ones aren't :p u'd prolly have to burn skillcoil for them to use it |
| 16:06.14 | alext | amp curse of exhaustion |
| 16:06.18 | Ailleus | CoS lasts for 8 sec |
| 16:06.21 | cncfanatics | ppl that use it for dots deserve to die |
| 16:06.21 | Towbar | 5 |
| 16:06.22 | madmarv | deltron: nop. in pvp, u NEVER get out of rage :P |
| 16:06.26 | alext | yah its def not 8 seconds |
| 16:06.27 | sylvanaar | haarm Talented only does that if its in template mode |
| 16:06.27 | alext | haha |
| 16:06.28 | madmarv | watch the 3rd part and u'll see lol |
| 16:06.30 | deltron | heh |
| 16:06.35 | Towbar | 5 seconds for cloak |
| 16:06.40 | Towbar | it jsut feels like 8 :P |
| 16:06.46 | Ailleus | prolly:D |
| 16:06.50 | sylvanaar | haarm and it wouldnt be showing your talents usually then anyways |
| 16:06.50 | Towbar | ;) |
| 16:07.00 | alext | i can usually get them to pop it, then again i am human warlock with a felhunter |
| 16:07.06 | alext | i can see rogues 50 miles away and start the dot load |
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| 16:07.14 | haarm | sylvanaar, you can force it to pop up |
| 16:07.14 | madmarv | bah i hate felhunter |
| 16:07.18 | haarm | how annoying |
| 16:07.22 | Towbar | alext, is ths a duel? |
| 16:07.28 | kagaku-hiryo | pfft |
| 16:07.31 | alext | duel / pvp / arena its worked for all 3 |
| 16:07.32 | Towbar | cause I never get opened on from perception |
| 16:07.34 | alext | but its 50/50 success |
| 16:07.38 | alext | depends on how CLOS happy the rogue is |
| 16:07.40 | kagaku-hiryo | macro to cos and vansih |
| 16:07.41 | sylvanaar | haarm take it out of template mode |
| 16:07.41 | Towbar | arena is different |
| 16:07.41 | madmarv | Towbar i prefer assasination rogue. i play mutilate build in the ptr |
| 16:07.53 | sylvanaar | haarm problem solved |
| 16:08.09 | Towbar | i prefer being a proper rogue, as elune intented |
| 16:08.13 | Towbar | combat > all |
| 16:08.20 | Towbar | raid dps and pvp pwnage |
| 16:08.23 | Towbar | :) |
| 16:08.23 | madmarv | rogues are intended to be assasins |
| 16:08.28 | madmarv | hence, assasination tree -.- |
| 16:08.42 | madmarv | burst dmg ftw |
| 16:08.50 | Towbar | rogues are intented to being nothing but dps to a raid, hence the combat tree |
| 16:09.03 | kagaku-hiryo | macro to cos and vansih, premeditate, ambush, eviserate, blind pet, SMASH |
| 16:09.07 | TNSe | rogues are intended to be laughed at, hence the sub tree. |
| 16:09.12 | Towbar | lol yea |
| 16:09.21 | kagaku-hiryo | pfft |
| 16:09.22 | Towbar | nabsteap ambush |
| 16:09.27 | Towbar | ok now you 're dead |
| 16:09.33 | Towbar | nabstep* |
| 16:09.45 | Ailleus | ambush = "scratch me lower pls"? |
| 16:09.48 | Towbar | yea |
| 16:09.57 | Towbar | especially when I get 8k hp left |
| 16:09.59 | madmarv | lol i got this shot in the ptr |
| 16:10.01 | deltron | shadowstep would be nice in 2.3 since you don't need to be stealthed |
| 16:10.02 | TNSe | druid will wtfpwn you anyway |
| 16:10.09 | madmarv | that mage was eating and drinking in peace alone in wsg |
| 16:10.15 | Towbar | very few druids own me |
| 16:10.18 | Towbar | but there are a few |
| 16:10.20 | kagaku-hiryo | and if needed, trinket cos, preperation, premeditation, ambush, evis |
| 16:10.21 | TNSe | pounce, mangle, shred, maim, shred, shred and you are dead. |
| 16:10.26 | deltron | druids are boring to me |
| 16:10.33 | kagaku-hiryo | you can shrug off 3k ambushses |
| 16:10.39 | Towbar | trinket in that equation at all? |
| 16:10.39 | kagaku-hiryo | ive seen warlocks try |
| 16:10.43 | Towbar | or blind? |
| 16:10.43 | deltron | the only druids that can kill me are really geared boomkins |
| 16:10.47 | Towbar | or vanish? |
| 16:10.49 | kagaku-hiryo | already did |
| 16:10.51 | madmarv | i got him on ambush 2.2k, then 1.8k backstab, then 800 deadly throw (this is where he frozen me and blinked), then another 900 crit deadly throw with 1 point lol |
| 16:11.01 | TNSe | lol |
| 16:11.04 | TNSe | wont work soon |
| 16:11.08 | kagaku-hiryo | i 2.3 backstab and 3.5 ambsuh |
| 16:11.10 | Towbar | 2.2k ambush? |
| 16:11.11 | TNSe | relentless will stop working with deadly throw |
| 16:11.13 | kagaku-hiryo | warlcosk cry a lot |
| 16:11.19 | Towbar | what dagger and ap have you? |
| 16:11.20 | Ellipsis | I don't cry! |
| 16:11.28 | Towbar | or did he have 462 resi? |
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| 16:11.30 | Ellipsis | oh wait, I don't PvP so I guess I don't count |
| 16:11.32 | madmarv | the one in the ptr |
| 16:11.37 | kagaku-hiryo | but im on a pvp server |
| 16:11.44 | madmarv | told u i play rogue in the ptr (among other classes) |
| 16:11.51 | kagaku-hiryo | most rogues are simply dumb, slow and ill prepared |
| 16:11.58 | Towbar | hmmm 2.2k ambush is low |
| 16:12.03 | madmarv | realy? :( |
| 16:12.09 | madmarv | well it was an opponer |
| 16:12.10 | Towbar | yea |
| 16:12.15 | madmarv | opener* |
| 16:12.19 | madmarv | so i had no buffs at all |
| 16:12.24 | Ailleus | not vs me but i have 350+ resi and 12k ac |
| 16:12.25 | Towbar | what spec did you go? |
| 16:12.36 | kagaku-hiryo | i prefere my shaman to purge the bubble/buff first |
| 16:12.37 | madmarv | 41/2/18 |
| 16:12.48 | madmarv | (2 combat for gouge) |
| 16:12.49 | Towbar | improved sinister with daggers? |
| 16:12.53 | Towbar | ahh |
| 16:12.57 | TNSe | heh |
| 16:12.58 | madmarv | noo dude i dont use sinister |
| 16:13.02 | kagaku-hiryo | yeah without resiliance 70 is fun. |
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| 16:13.06 | madmarv | i need time to gain more energy |
| 16:13.07 | Towbar | sinister owns |
| 16:13.08 | alext | arent they buffing shadowstep |
| 16:13.12 | alext | to work out of stealth too? |
| 16:13.17 | madmarv | sinister own with swords/maces.. |
| 16:13.18 | madmarv | not daggers |
| 16:13.21 | alext | that would be awsome to shadowstep up to roof campers or whatnot |
| 16:13.25 | Towbar | |
| 16:13.26 | Towbar | 17:13:15 [W To] <Towbar>: Sinister Strike - Normal: 1009 - Critical: 2360 |
| 16:13.31 | deltron | mace/sword spec is where it's at |
| 16:13.37 | madmarv | O.o |
| 16:13.38 | TNSe | hemo daggers. |
| 16:13.40 | kagaku-hiryo | i hope they do soemthing cause 400 resilaince is simple a matter of who can out last who and most classes out defense rogues |
| 16:13.48 | kagaku-hiryo | i is hemo daggers |
| 16:13.51 | Towbar | 17:13:41 [W To] <Towbar>: 09/21/07 11:02:10, Your Sinister Strike crits Kael'thas Sunstrider for 2980. |
| 16:13.54 | TNSe | u rs? |
| 16:13.56 | Towbar | LOVE that sword on kael |
| 16:14.08 | TNSe | dual wield it with hemo sword spec |
| 16:14.18 | Towbar | would be insane |
| 16:14.23 | deltron | SS for 2980? dang |
| 16:14.28 | TNSe | its 2.0 speed |
| 16:14.30 | Towbar | kael'thas fight |
| 16:14.33 | deltron | yeah |
| 16:14.37 | Towbar | you get a legendary sword |
| 16:14.38 | TNSe | er |
| 16:14.40 | TNSe | 3.0? |
| 16:14.42 | TNSe | 2.9? |
| 16:14.42 | Towbar | but the first one is real |
| 16:14.45 | TNSe | its really slow |
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| 16:14.54 | deltron | yeah I'm going to be doing kael for the first time tonight |
| 16:15.00 | Towbar | bring gold |
| 16:15.03 | Towbar | alot of gold |
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| 16:15.11 | deltron | hehe |
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| 16:15.13 | madmarv | Towbar why dont u get ur rogue and i get my warrior to the ptr when it get open and see who actualy ownz :P |
| 16:15.20 | Towbar | deal |
| 16:15.22 | deltron | the guild I joined doesn't even do SSC/TK anymore :/ |
| 16:15.29 | madmarv | cool |
| 16:15.31 | Towbar | :) |
| 16:15.35 | madmarv | i'll frapse and youtube it :D |
| 16:15.42 | Towbar | wearing only gear we have from real wow? |
| 16:15.46 | madmarv | yeah |
| 16:15.47 | TNSe | stage6 it |
| 16:15.48 | TNSe | instead :P |
| 16:15.49 | Towbar | deal |
| 16:15.50 | madmarv | only from real server |
| 16:15.55 | TNSe | bettter quality |
| 16:16.05 | Towbar | webdivx ftw |
| 16:16.11 | madmarv | i dunno TNSe i just upload the videos |
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| 16:16.16 | Towbar | you use joox too? |
| 16:16.24 | TNSe | stage6 has better quality than youtube |
| 16:16.27 | Towbar | way better |
| 16:16.29 | sylvanaar | haarm actually, it will only show the first response to a query, how do you get it do show more? |
| 16:16.41 | madmarv | yeah but i get more views in youtube |
| 16:16.41 | TNSe | youtube + wow = mess of colors |
| 16:16.53 | madmarv | plus if i want better quality, i put it in warcraft movies :P |
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| 16:16.56 | madmarv | and upload to filefront |
| 16:16.59 | TNSe | do that then |
| 16:17.01 | Zhinjio | anyone have any good or favorite fraps video editing tools? |
| 16:17.02 | Towbar | so you're more interested in views than letting people see it in quality? |
| 16:17.06 | TNSe | indeed |
| 16:17.07 | madmarv | i did that to my own pvp video |
| 16:17.10 | TNSe | quality > youtuve |
| 16:17.15 | Zhinjio | adding music, text scrolls, etc |
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| 16:17.16 | Towbar | agree |
| 16:17.18 | Zhinjio | transitions |
| 16:17.19 | Zhinjio | ? |
| 16:17.20 | TNSe | youtube is god for small things |
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| 16:17.24 | TNSe | like previews |
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| 16:17.29 | TNSe | and then you link to a real good file |
| 16:17.29 | Towbar | and gnomes |
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| 16:17.34 | madmarv | TNSe it just to show who won me or TNSe :p |
| 16:17.46 | Ailleus | bah, not only there is no normal way to get data for tattle, tattlelod messes up |
| 16:17.47 | madmarv | and delete it after like a week, who cares ;p |
| 16:17.57 | TNSe | I dont mind youtube, but please dont put wow stuff there |
| 16:18.00 | TNSe | it makes my eyes bleed |
| 16:18.01 | sylvanaar | haarm since those queries are manual ones that the user presses a button for, i dont see the problem |
| 16:18.23 | Towbar | afk coffee |
| 16:18.41 | madmarv | TNSe my video u can find in warcraftmovies, search for madmarv orc warriror or something, but what i will frapse between me and TNSe is just temporary :P |
| 16:18.57 | TNSe | :P |
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| 16:19.09 | madmarv | i just hope that bastard dont use a lot of cds lol |
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| 16:20.03 | CIA-12 | 03sayclub * r50786 10BigWigs/Hyjal/Kazrogal.lua: |
| 16:20.03 | CIA-12 | .Hyjal : |
| 16:20.03 | CIA-12 | - Updated localization koKR |
| 16:20.47 | Trell_ | stage6 ftw |
| 16:20.50 | Trell_ | movie wise |
| 16:21.28 | Towbar | i rarely use cds |
| 16:21.35 | Towbar | stops the whiners from whining |
| 16:21.51 | CIA-12 | 03scorpio0920 * r50787 10BigWigs/TheEye/Solarian.lua: |
| 16:21.51 | CIA-12 | BigWigs: |
| 16:21.51 | CIA-12 | -Update zhTW translation. |
| 16:22.57 | madmarv | how many s2 glad parts u have? |
| 16:23.27 | Towbar | 4 |
| 16:23.34 | madmarv | wait |
| 16:23.38 | madmarv | link me to ur armory :P |
| 16:23.40 | madmarv | would be better |
| 16:23.48 | Towbar | in pve gear but search for eu towbar |
| 16:23.56 | madmarv | aight what server? |
| 16:24.01 | madmarv | i'm in ragnaros |
| 16:24.01 | Towbar | there is only 1 |
| 16:24.12 | Towbar | i am on azjol-nerub |
| 16:24.25 | madmarv | thats not english server |
| 16:24.27 | madmarv | what is it :P |
| 16:24.32 | Towbar | english |
| 16:24.53 | madmarv | hmm :\ |
| 16:26.03 | madmarv | k looking |
| 16:26.16 | madmarv | yey i got my first positive comment on the 3rd part of my video |
| 16:26.18 | madmarv | ^^ |
| 16:26.30 | TNSe | hehehe |
| 16:26.54 | madmarv | since youtube stoped allowing larger files than 100mb or longer duration than 10minutes, i had to split my video to 3 parts |
| 16:27.03 | dylanm | cncfanatics: You must be up on your state header fu... would you take a look at a really simple example I'm trying to cook up? |
| 16:27.07 | Trell_ | use stage6 |
| 16:27.30 | cncfanatics | dylanm ? |
| 16:27.42 | madmarv | Trell_ its just a small temporary video, not big deal |
| 16:27.48 | cncfanatics | dylanm, now in english :) |
| 16:27.52 | dylanm | cncfanatics: http://pastey.net/74789 |
| 16:27.53 | cncfanatics | didn't understand a thing on what u said |
| 16:27.56 | CIA-12 | 03sylvanaar * r50788 10Prat/Prat_AutoLoD/autolod.lua: Prat: Not every message that an addon prints to the chatframe is "startup spam". Especially those which arent printed at startup. |
| 16:27.59 | Towbar | if it is not a big deal then when mention it? |
| 16:28.06 | madmarv | ops no.. i got this video on warcraftmovies/filefront |
| 16:28.21 | madmarv | Towbar no i thought he's talking about our video (got mixed up) |
| 16:28.24 | dylanm | cncfanatics: :p I'm just trying to switch the default buttons from 1-12 to 13-24 when shift is held and I entered a whole new world of pain. |
| 16:28.25 | Towbar | the video you talked about for 30 mins but have never linked? |
| 16:28.30 | dylanm | link ittt |
| 16:28.36 | madmarv | i linked ittt! |
| 16:28.39 | Towbar | lies |
| 16:28.39 | cncfanatics | dylanm, the default blizz bars ? |
| 16:28.43 | cncfanatics | thats pain, they're badly designed |
| 16:28.59 | *** join/#wowace iKON (i=ikon@cpe-66-69-227-63.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 16:29.18 | dylanm | cncfanatics: Well I just reparent the ActionButton1...12 and go to town. |
| 16:29.21 | cncfanatics | ehm |
| 16:29.23 | cncfanatics | dylanm |
| 16:29.25 | madmarv | told u u can find it in warcraftmovies, got it linked there to filefront, good i have a link to it here http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=45206 |
| 16:29.25 | cncfanatics | u can do it very easely |
| 16:29.34 | cncfanatics | remove ALL ur code about state attributes |
| 16:29.39 | dylanm | Haha. |
| 16:29.42 | madmarv | or search for madmarv in youtube.. |
| 16:29.46 | cncfanatics | and just set shift-action to whatever action u want it |
| 16:29.58 | cncfanatics | shift is easy, u can put it in the prefixes |
| 16:29.59 | CIA-12 | 03sirow * r50789 10LibCooldown-1.0/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:29.59 | CIA-12 | LibCooldown-1.0: (See Wiki: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/LibCooldown-1.0) |
| 16:29.59 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.59 | CIA-12 | (Note: Still need to check correctness of LibCD_***CooldownEnd(...) returns in some cases!) |
| 16:30.06 | cncfanatics | no need to use state code for it |
| 16:30.11 | *** join/#wowace Cheads (i=chead@0x535dceea.virnxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 16:30.31 | cncfanatics | dylanm: try ingame: |
| 16:30.46 | cncfanatics | WHATEVERTHEIRBUTTONNAMEIS:SetAttribute("shift-action", whateveractionnumberuwantitto) |
| 16:30.54 | cncfanatics | should work perfectly |
| 16:31.06 | dylanm | Hmmm. |
| 16:31.11 | cncfanatics | should work directly |
| 16:31.17 | cncfanatics | as long as ur not trying to do that in combat :p |
| 16:31.22 | harldephin | where's the omen/threat-bar of my pet gone to ? |
| 16:31.22 | dylanm | On it. |
| 16:31.28 | Sirow | Error: Could not find object named <WHATEVERTHEIRBUTTONNAMEIS> :P |
| 16:31.34 | Towbar | lol |
| 16:31.43 | cncfanatics | to do that I'd personaly just register the MODIFIER_KEY_CHANGED event, and if shift is down I'd make the button's texture and shit update |
| 16:31.58 | cncfanatics | or if u don't even need that just loop through all the buttons at load and set the shift-action attribute for them |
| 16:32.15 | Punkie` | wtb this; AnyDown:SetAttribute(macro,"/w ammo you are gay") |
| 16:32.24 | cncfanatics | dylanm, or you could use flexbar which has remaps for shift, alt & ctrl by default (just drag an action on a button while holding shift down) |
| 16:32.39 | cncfanatics | (a) |
| 16:32.52 | Hjalte | vhaarr, my friend is telling me that DBMFTLBBQ is working now. |
| 16:32.55 | Towbar | oO |
| 16:32.55 | dylanm | I'd like to do stuff that I'm almost certain requires headers in the future so I'd like to really understand the thing... I guess it just seems cleaner to page based on a big ol' driver |
| 16:33.08 | Towbar | so i can see a different actionbar with alt held down? |
| 16:33.17 | *** join/#wowace Keias (i=HydraIRC@c-69-245-192-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 16:33.23 | harldephin | hmm.. |
| 16:33.23 | cncfanatics | Towbar, yea |
| 16:33.24 | dylanm | Towbar: Bartender has had that capability for a long time. |
| 16:33.30 | Towbar | I could make my sparkling UI even cleaner and more minimalmistic with that |
| 16:33.32 | harldephin | a subway sandwich would be nice now |
| 16:33.38 | dylanm | Towbar: Bongos can do it and certainly FlexBar2 can :p |
| 16:33.38 | Towbar | i use BT3 |
| 16:33.39 | cncfanatics | dylanm, it has ? :o |
| 16:33.45 | sylvanaar | oh sweet - it will give the talent tree name Priest (Shadow) |
| 16:33.53 | *** join/#wowace Leialyn (n=Leialyn@84.180.251.21) |
| 16:34.03 | cncfanatics | I never actualy treid dragging an action while shift, alt or ctrl was held down in bt |
| 16:34.13 | cncfanatics | will it also map it to shift, ctrl/alt click ? |
| 16:34.16 | madmarv | christ towbar u are nightelf... -.- how are we suppose to duel lol |
| 16:34.39 | [dRaCo] | /duel |
| 16:34.39 | [dRaCo] | :> |
| 16:34.41 | cncfanatics | dylanm, how u do that with BT3 ? |
| 16:34.46 | Ailleus | in an opposed factions land when 5 min are passed |
| 16:35.01 | dylanm | cncfanatics: I can't remember exactly (I don't use BT3) |
| 16:35.07 | alext | madmarv: at one of the two open arenas? |
| 16:35.10 | alext | STV and what |
| 16:35.12 | Arcaia | Towbar: you'd need a miracle in science to get your UI anywhere near minimalistic |
| 16:35.13 | alext | Dire Maul |
| 16:35.23 | cncfanatics | dylanm, I'm not aware of that feature tbh :p but its stupidly easy with FB :p (why u doing it to the crap default blizz bars anyway ?) |
| 16:35.41 | Towbar | its my good friend arcaia :) |
| 16:35.47 | Towbar | we go waaay back |
| 16:35.59 | dylanm | cncfanatics: I didn't think it all that much harder than creating my own, and the game is creating them anyway :-/ |
| 16:36.02 | Arcaia | also -> sorry about the other night, was sick and being angsty beyond hope - im still skeptical of people that claim knowledge in technology. |
| 16:36.10 | Towbar | turns out he was an oper when i was idleing #hackers-ireland |
| 16:36.13 | cncfanatics | dylanm, actionbuttons creation is actualy rather hard :) |
| 16:36.16 | dylanm | cncfanatics: I just wanted to parent some stuff to a header and see what I could do. |
| 16:36.20 | Arcaia | but i jumped the gun on you [doesn't mean i believe you] |
| 16:36.27 | cncfanatics | dylanm, u don't even have to parent them to a header for shift, as I said :) |
| 16:36.29 | dylanm | cncfanatics: That was my thought. |
| 16:36.32 | Arcaia | just means i was too hasty in jumping down your throat |
| 16:36.40 | Towbar | no problem |
| 16:36.43 | Towbar | we all have bad days |
| 16:36.45 | Arcaia | and take it well, because i rarely apologize. |
| 16:36.50 | cncfanatics | Towbar, if ur a minimalist then FB is the way to go imo :p I'm a minimalist too and BT doesnt suit me at all |
| 16:36.51 | Towbar | and I dont care if you believe me or not |
| 16:36.53 | Towbar | :) |
| 16:36.54 | dylanm | cncfanatics: Well I'd like to do things with help/harm and all that jazz |
| 16:37.08 | Arcaia | and #hacker-ireland on Dal? |
| 16:37.10 | cncfanatics | dylanm, I can help you, but well, my experience with the default bars is rather limited |
| 16:37.11 | Towbar | cnc: i assume you have not seen my raiding UI :) |
| 16:37.17 | cncfanatics | Towbar, screen it ? |
| 16:37.18 | Towbar | arcaia ofc |
| 16:37.21 | Arcaia | ;P |
| 16:37.25 | dylanm | cncfanatics: Paging based on a modifier just seemed to be the easiest place to begin |
| 16:37.35 | Arcaia | I mainly hung out in the Shell programmers channel - #shelf ;P |
| 16:37.35 | Towbar | and #kackerzlair, i used to do the linux section |
| 16:37.36 | cncfanatics | dylanm, thats not even state code :) |
| 16:37.41 | Towbar | on the site |
| 16:37.48 | Towbar | nice |
| 16:37.50 | cncfanatics | (actualy, it can be, but there's no need to use states for that)Ã |
| 16:38.14 | Arcaia | we gave the channel services an AI once ;P |
| 16:38.28 | cncfanatics | Towbar, giev screeny |
| 16:38.29 | Towbar | when teh server wasnt splitting, again? |
| 16:38.32 | CIA-12 | 03sirow * r50790 10LibCooldown-1.0/: |
| 16:38.32 | CIA-12 | LibCooldown-1.0: |
| 16:38.32 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.37 | Arcaia | it would literally carry on small convos with you about how skeptical it was that you were using the right passwords and such |
| 16:38.39 | Towbar | sec i take a screen now |
| 16:38.52 | Arcaia | and yes, when dal became bad i went to mirc-x |
| 16:38.57 | Arcaia | and then later to dragonsnet ;P |
| 16:39.22 | dylanm | cncfanatics: It's not? I always see it shoved into a RegisterStateDriver. |
| 16:39.26 | Arcaia | the power of /oper <insertpasswordhere> |
| 16:39.31 | sylvanaar | how is this not cool: http://derey.home.mindspring.com/wowscrnshot_100307_113128.jpg |
| 16:39.36 | cncfanatics | dylanm, I remap on shift, alt & ctrl without using it in the state driver |
| 16:39.46 | cncfanatics | I do shapeshifts & target remapping in the state driver, already enough of a pain :p |
| 16:40.07 | cncfanatics | just SetAttribute("shift-action", action); |
| 16:40.18 | *** join/#wowace nalla (i=manuel@84.171.125.70) |
| 16:40.19 | cncfanatics | supported directly by the secure state template without any added hassle |
| 16:40.35 | Towbar | i went to efnet after dalnet |
| 16:40.36 | cncfanatics | oh, u'd also ahve to declare shift-type to action, unsure about that one but it could be |
| 16:40.40 | Towbar | to emmm |
| 16:40.45 | madmarv | Towbar u are one good-geared bastard |
| 16:40.47 | Towbar | ahhh what was that channel? |
| 16:40.50 | madmarv | :( |
| 16:40.55 | Towbar | lol mad |
| 16:41.01 | Towbar | you havnt seen my pvp gear |
| 16:41.08 | madmarv | it will feel awesome to beat an extremely good geared rogue easily |
| 16:41.08 | madmarv | lol |
| 16:41.16 | madmarv | xD |
| 16:41.17 | Towbar | http://tsni.biz/wow/outsideif.jpg |
| 16:41.22 | Towbar | thats a screen of now |
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| 16:41.30 | Arcaia | did you ever hit up undernet? |
| 16:41.33 | Towbar | and mad i will wear pvp gear when i duel you |
| 16:41.40 | Towbar | nope never tried undernet |
| 16:41.43 | Arcaia | we had a #shelf revival channel there ;P |
| 16:41.53 | Towbar | lol |
| 16:42.06 | madmarv | heh ok Towbar :D |
| 16:42.15 | cncfanatics | Towbar, class, guild progression ? |
| 16:42.16 | madmarv | i'll watch that ptr when it goes up |
| 16:42.17 | Arcaia | cncfanatics: when did spec stuff get added to tooltips and is that CowTip? |
| 16:42.19 | madmarv | hopefully very soon |
| 16:42.21 | Sirow | Btw. US brewfest quests working neither? |
| 16:42.22 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 16:42.37 | Towbar | cnc: rogue valhall (azjol-nerub EU) and kel down |
| 16:42.40 | cncfanatics | Arcaia, I use the default blizz spell tooltips, if anything is there added its not from me |
| 16:42.40 | Towbar | kael* |
| 16:42.46 | Towbar | going to MH now |
| 16:42.55 | cncfanatics | Towbar, lucky you |
| 16:42.58 | Towbar | thanks |
| 16:43.01 | cncfanatics | my servers are dead and i'm currently rerolling a rogue though |
| 16:43.08 | cncfanatics | well, I'm lvl'ing RLY slowly but still |
| 16:43.28 | Towbar | level combat maces |
| 16:43.44 | Towbar | gets you weapon skill early and mace stun is awesome for leveling |
| 16:43.44 | cncfanatics | I'm lvl 26 |
| 16:43.56 | Towbar | atm yea but that will go up |
| 16:43.59 | Ellipsis | ping Sirow |
| 16:44.05 | cncfanatics | I'm 26 since 2 weeks -.- |
| 16:44.12 | Towbar | lol reminds me of my SP |
| 16:44.22 | Towbar | 70 now |
| 16:44.30 | Sirow | pong Ellipsis |
| 16:44.40 | Ellipsis | what's up with this LibCooldown thing? o.O |
| 16:44.51 | Sirow | read the wiki :> |
| 16:44.54 | Arcaia | that tooltip linked is default? |
| 16:44.59 | Ellipsis | I did, it's just API but it looks sexy |
| 16:45.02 | Arcaia | as in not any tooltip addon? |
| 16:45.05 | Ellipsis | what's using it? |
| 16:45.09 | cncfanatics | Arcaia, Towbar's screeny ? |
| 16:45.11 | cncfanatics | lemme check |
| 16:45.18 | *** part/#wowace Kathris (n=opera@p549051FE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:45.18 | Sirow | gonna use it in Avion |
| 16:45.23 | cncfanatics | or what tooltip u mean Arcaia ? |
| 16:45.26 | Towbar | ? |
| 16:45.38 | Arcaia | no, in the thing you linked - how is that not cool : <link> |
| 16:45.53 | cncfanatics | Arcaia, link back ? :p |
| 16:46.10 | kagaku-hiryo | druids, http://www.thecheezburgerfactory.com//completestore/128341119420000000.jpg |
| 16:46.10 | Ellipsis | Sirow: can you fix the spelling on the events? |
| 16:46.20 | Ellipsis | "Equiped" should be "Equipped" |
| 16:46.28 | Ellipsis | I wanna use your lib <3 |
| 16:46.32 | Sirow | whoops |
| 16:46.36 | Sirow | sure thing ^^ |
| 16:46.44 | Grum | mmm url for docs on that lib? :D |
| 16:46.48 | Arcaia | pardon me - sylvanaar's link, you said something right before it, and im blind |
| 16:46.50 | Arcaia | 0312:3902| 02(0204sylvanaar02)04 how is this not cool: http://derey.home.mindspring.com/wowscrnshot_100307_113128.jpg |
| 16:46.55 | Arcaia | pardon colors |
| 16:47.05 | Ellipsis | it's a CowTip feature |
| 16:47.13 | Grum | it is cool! |
| 16:47.14 | Arcaia | ORLY> |
| 16:47.15 | Ellipsis | you can see anyone's talents if they have Rock |
| 16:47.21 | Arcaia | NICE. |
| 16:47.24 | Keias | What's the tag for talents? |
| 16:47.26 | Arcaia | How do I use that? |
| 16:47.29 | Grum | it is nice indeed ^^ |
| 16:47.30 | Ellipsis | it's a DogTag, you can use it on PitBull too if you want |
| 16:47.38 | Towbar | how? |
| 16:47.55 | Ellipsis | [TalentSpec] for numbers [TalentTree] for tree name |
| 16:48.02 | Arcaia | Wow. |
| 16:48.06 | sylvanaar | that tooltip wins everything |
| 16:48.08 | Arcaia | THAT is EMAZING. |
| 16:48.10 | Ellipsis | you can see their full spec in Talented too |
| 16:48.13 | Grum | sylvanaar: i agree ^^ |
| 16:48.19 | neenee | That looks like Cowtip default |
| 16:48.26 | sylvanaar | it isnt |
| 16:48.26 | neenee | Or wait, no, not default |
| 16:48.28 | Ellipsis | it's not |
| 16:48.37 | *** join/#wowace |moonsorrow| (n=moonsorr@HSI-KBW-082-212-002-012.hsi.kabelbw.de) |
| 16:48.37 | neenee | But too much info for me, like the default, anyway :) |
| 16:48.44 | sylvanaar | the first line |
| 16:48.49 | Ellipsis | even the default is too bulky for me XD |
| 16:49.06 | cncfanatics | <3 minimalism |
| 16:49.11 | sylvanaar | just look at line 1 |
| 16:49.16 | cncfanatics | PORTALME |
| 16:49.17 | neenee | ditto, to an extent |
| 16:49.23 | [Ammo] | the whole thing is just too much duplication |
| 16:49.30 | [Ammo] | why do you need Name: in front of the name |
| 16:49.31 | sylvanaar | it was for testing |
| 16:49.34 | Arcaia | [ammo] is just sour. |
| 16:49.37 | [Ammo] | top line = always name -> perfect |
| 16:49.38 | [Ammo] | naah |
| 16:49.41 | sylvanaar | 70 Shadow Priest |
| 16:49.43 | [Ammo] | I just like to give my opinion |
| 16:49.52 | [Ammo] | don't like it, go join another channel |
| 16:49.59 | *** join/#wowace Higdur (n=nike@81-229-136-48-o1124.telia.com) |
| 16:50.01 | Arcaia | im in multiple other channels ;P |
| 16:50.04 | Towbar | freespeech ftw |
| 16:50.06 | sylvanaar | i dont care about the other lines |
| 16:50.10 | Arcaia | I just enjoy the opinion of other people that are in here as well |
| 16:50.24 | Towbar | "will you boost me in gnomer?!?!?!" |
| 16:50.27 | Ailleus | Did Blizzard disable SCT-Dispell functions? |
| 16:50.28 | Towbar | my reply was no |
| 16:50.32 | Towbar | he asked why |
| 16:50.38 | Towbar | "this thing called freewill" |
| 16:51.06 | sylvanaar | "70 Shadow Priest" "70 Protection Warrior" "70 Fire Mage" |
| 16:51.11 | sylvanaar | i love it |
| 16:51.18 | cncfanatics | hehe |
| 16:51.22 | CIA-12 | 03sirow * r50791 10LibCooldown-1.0/LibCooldown-Item-1.0/LibCooldown-Item-1.0.lua: |
| 16:51.22 | CIA-12 | LibCooldown-1.0: |
| 16:51.22 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.25 | Towbar | I am still torn about what char to make next |
| 16:51.29 | Towbar | druid or shammy |
| 16:51.31 | Ellipsis | <3 Sirow |
| 16:51.33 | cncfanatics | Towbar, reroll with meh ? :p |
| 16:51.37 | Towbar | druids are more versatile |
| 16:51.48 | Fisker- | i believe it is written in your mother cncfanatics |
| 16:51.49 | [Ammo] | gogo towbar reroll with cnc |
| 16:51.56 | Towbar | where? |
| 16:51.58 | [Ammo] | what will be your char name? |
| 16:51.59 | [Ammo] | ;) |
| 16:52.09 | Towbar | i wanna keep it on server so i can twink it the day I ding |
| 16:52.14 | Towbar | like I did with my SP |
| 16:52.30 | *** join/#wowace Shirik|Ecole (n=nospam@155.31.172.107) |
| 16:52.37 | Towbar | when i say twink i am at 70 |
| 16:52.38 | neenee | Hm. Not a clue what to do with my chat windows |
| 16:53.13 | neenee | And I have too many buttons to make it very minimalistic |
| 16:53.13 | Towbar | flast flying mount, tailor sets, spellstrike etc 20 slow bags and what not |
| 16:53.13 | lprich | In that case I hate you even more. I'm only lvl 21! :P |
| 16:53.14 | Towbar | slot* |
| 16:53.14 | *** join/#wowace Shirik|Ecole (n=nospam@155.31.172.107) |
| 16:53.14 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik|Ecole] by ChanServ |
| 16:53.38 | TNSe | hmm |
| 16:53.41 | TNSe | installed dogtag |
| 16:53.46 | Kody- | http://news.curse.com/details/3273/ |
| 16:53.48 | TNSe | and uh, lol, it says a dependency is missing |
| 16:53.56 | TNSe | ace2 >_< |
| 16:54.03 | *** join/#wowace Mire (n=Mire@huntersrun-cm-195.usa2net.net) |
| 16:54.11 | Punkie` | ownt |
| 16:54.18 | [Ammo] | hey punkie |
| 16:54.19 | [Ammo] | did you hear |
| 16:54.20 | Fisker- | slow news day is sloooooooooooooow Kody- |
| 16:54.21 | Fisker- | Punkie` |
| 16:54.25 | Fisker- | you are going to be destroy |
| 16:54.26 | Fisker- | ed |
| 16:54.26 | [Ammo] | Towbar is rerolling with cnc |
| 16:54.31 | Towbar | is towbar? |
| 16:54.32 | Punkie` | sweet |
| 16:54.34 | Punkie` | lets gank them |
| 16:54.36 | Fisker- | i'm rerolling too |
| 16:54.36 | *** join/#wowace helget (n=hm@217-33-233.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 16:54.38 | [Ammo] | now we just need to know his char name |
| 16:54.40 | [Ammo] | oh and fisker |
| 16:54.41 | [Ammo] | zomg |
| 16:54.43 | Fisker- | ! |
| 16:54.47 | Towbar | what server are you guys on? |
| 16:54.50 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50792 10FlexBar2/Button/Slashcommands.lua: FlexBar2: Fix a bug with /fb line |
| 16:54.51 | [Ammo] | this will be the corpsecamp of the century |
| 16:54.53 | Punkie` | want to know something cool ammo |
| 16:54.54 | Fisker- | then i might actually be able to try out Brewfest before it's over |
| 16:55.01 | Punkie` | my brother has a horde character on kazzak |
| 16:55.11 | [Ammo] | oh |
| 16:55.11 | Punkie` | so we can find out where 'Evolve' is pretty easily |
| 16:55.16 | [Ammo] | sweet |
| 16:55.19 | [Ammo] | and kill your bro as well |
| 16:55.21 | [Ammo] | even better |
| 16:55.23 | Towbar | lol |
| 16:55.24 | Arcaia | wow |
| 16:55.29 | Arcaia | turning that talent spec thing on |
| 16:55.31 | Punkie` | I killed him last night in Silverniib LO |
| 16:55.33 | Punkie` | bah |
| 16:55.35 | TNSe | uhh |
| 16:55.36 | Punkie` | Silvermoon :P |
| 16:55.38 | *** join/#wowace QQngsk (n=Gngsk@c-69-138-213-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 16:55.39 | Arcaia | showed me how few of people on my server actually use decent addons. |
| 16:55.46 | cncfanatics | silvermoon ? my old serv :) |
| 16:55.51 | Towbar | ok can I have a run down on how to se someones talents? |
| 16:55.54 | Punkie` | no the city butthead |
| 16:56.02 | Towbar | see* |
| 16:56.10 | [Ammo] | Towbar: install cartographer |
| 16:56.11 | TNSe | how do I fix it so that it stops saying that ace2 is missing |
| 16:56.17 | Towbar | got it |
| 16:56.29 | CIA-12 | 03oridan * r50793 10SpellReminder/SpellReminder.lua: |
| 16:56.29 | CIA-12 | SpellReminder: |
| 16:56.29 | CIA-12 | - fix a display glitch with my candybar hack |
| 16:56.29 | [Ammo] | now install something that uses dogtag |
| 16:56.31 | neenee | Ah.. No wonder I had some weird click-cast problems. I had both Clique and Click2Cast. |
| 16:56.34 | Towbar | :/ |
| 16:56.38 | Ellipsis | fail neenee |
| 16:56.40 | Towbar | example? |
| 16:56.44 | neenee | And time to switch from Prat back to Litechat. |
| 16:56.51 | Punkie` | lol |
| 16:56.54 | Punkie` | Litechat |
| 16:56.59 | Punkie` | Low Memory Chat |
| 16:57.03 | Punkie` | Low Memory Quest |
| 16:57.04 | Punkie` | gogo |
| 16:57.49 | Towbar | what addons use dogtag? |
| 16:57.56 | *** join/#wowace Telrin (n=test@shandalar.xs4all.nl) |
| 16:58.06 | durcyn | Towbar: pitbull, cowtip, parrot, and assessment |
| 16:58.12 | Towbar | got pitbull |
| 16:58.18 | Towbar | what next? |
| 16:58.20 | [Ammo] | it's optional for parrot btw |
| 16:58.28 | Punkie` | you need LibDogTag? |
| 16:58.29 | [Ammo] | and assessment doesn't use it |
| 16:58.31 | Punkie` | not dogtag? |
| 16:58.32 | [Ammo] | it uses tagcompiler |
| 16:58.35 | Sirow | OMFG, wowace databse down, appocalypse is NEAR!!! |
| 16:58.36 | [Ammo] | I think |
| 16:58.44 | cryogen | cncfanatics: moo |
| 16:58.48 | sylvanaar | http://derey.home.mindspring.com/wowscrnshot_100307_114937.jpg |
| 16:58.51 | cryogen | (been out at a work meeting all day, just got in) |
| 16:58.55 | durcyn | hrm, thought assessment did. lemme check. |
| 16:58.55 | sylvanaar | there is a smaller tooltip |
| 16:59.01 | Towbar | tinytip |
| 16:59.06 | Towbar | but I dont like it |
| 16:59.12 | Ellipsis | what I use: http://i12.tinypic.com/4kckiu8.png |
| 16:59.14 | [Ammo] | that's not tinytip |
| 16:59.32 | cncfanatics | cryogen, moo |
| 16:59.34 | [Ammo] | much better ellipsis |
| 16:59.37 | Towbar | ok, since I have pitbull and cartographer installed what do I do now? |
| 16:59.44 | [Ammo] | no 'you're looking at this piece of information' |
| 16:59.46 | cncfanatics | cryogen, I fixed /fb line with scales :) and reworking it to be better imo |
| 16:59.49 | [Ammo] | aka: spec: 13/13/13 |
| 16:59.49 | neenee | Hm. Now I remember what was wrong with my addon. For some reason, every player-line gets a number displayed, and it counts up for each line |
| 16:59.50 | Ellipsis | yeah ammo that bugs me a lot |
| 16:59.55 | neenee | Soon I'll be in the thousands again |
| 16:59.59 | Hjalte | Anyone else experiencing that their Quartz bar is getting stuck after casting? |
| 17:00.04 | Punkie` | wtf |
| 17:00.07 | Punkie` | why do you need like |
| 17:00.09 | Ellipsis | btw that screenshot is pre-Rock which is why I didn't get one with visible talents >_< |
| 17:00.09 | Punkie` | Name: blah |
| 17:00.13 | Punkie` | Guild: Blah |
| 17:00.17 | Punkie` | Health: 100/100 |
| 17:00.19 | Punkie` | retarded |
| 17:00.34 | Sirow | Spec: 0/8/15 ;) |
| 17:00.37 | *** join/#wowace stavmar (n=chatzill@fw2.isgenesis.com) |
| 17:00.55 | Ellipsis | This line displays the health of the unit you're mousing over: 100/100 |
| 17:01.05 | TNSe | okay |
| 17:01.06 | [Ammo] | if I would use that talent spyware I'd have: 70 Shadow Priest (10/0/47) or something |
| 17:01.08 | *** join/#wowace Funkeh` (n=funkydud@host81-157-50-199.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:01.23 | TNSe | so why does dogtag say that I dont have ace2 when I do >_< |
| 17:01.28 | cryogen | cncfanatics: cool |
| 17:01.30 | sylvanaar | i could just datamine the armory |
| 17:01.36 | sylvanaar | that'd be a waste of memory |
| 17:01.42 | cryogen | cncfanatics: the other thing you wanted me to remind you of was auto hiding empty buttons |
| 17:01.52 | Ellipsis | yeah I use 70 Name / Race Class (Spec) |
| 17:02.01 | Funkeh` | loes |
| 17:02.02 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: at least it would be a conscious choice |
| 17:02.05 | Ellipsis | left / right |
| 17:02.17 | [Ammo] | Funkeh`: I am not happy with you! |
| 17:02.18 | kaiden | lol talent spyware |
| 17:02.20 | kaiden | ammo you are funny :) |
| 17:02.25 | Fisker- | you're all going to be destroyed |
| 17:02.26 | cncfanatics | cryogen, hmmmm, not right awya, I'll do that eventualy |
| 17:02.28 | Ellipsis | well the talent tags aren't displayed on anything by default ammo |
| 17:02.37 | Ellipsis | so it's a conscious choice to see people's talents :P |
| 17:02.54 | Towbar | so how can i enable the display of talents/ |
| 17:03.02 | Towbar | do I need cowtip or something? |
| 17:03.19 | Ellipsis | you can view them with Talented or anything that uses DogTags |
| 17:03.22 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] you have no choice, and armory may not be accurate if you change specs, this is |
| 17:03.24 | Ellipsis | as long as you and the other person both have Rock |
| 17:03.29 | Towbar | how? |
| 17:03.34 | Towbar | that is what i am asking |
| 17:03.43 | Ellipsis | the DogTag [TalentSpec] or [TalentTree] |
| 17:04.03 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: choice versus shoved down my throat |
| 17:04.11 | sylvanaar | all the armory data should be in-game accessable |
| 17:04.20 | sylvanaar | or just delete armory |
| 17:04.21 | *** join/#wowace Paradox (n=Paradox@spc1-brmb4-0-0-cust10.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 17:04.21 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: I agree somewhat there |
| 17:04.22 | Ellipsis | it might as well be |
| 17:04.36 | sylvanaar | i didnt want that fucking thing but since its there... |
| 17:04.37 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: and blizz can have nice api's |
| 17:04.58 | Ellipsis | yeah and then they can rewrite their crappy interface code |
| 17:05.03 | Ellipsis | and we can all live in happyland |
| 17:05.04 | Ailleus | talent spyware? |
| 17:05.19 | Paradox | anyone know if Enhancer can show how much AP/crit and such is gained from stats in tooltips, much like Ratingbuster? |
| 17:05.29 | sylvanaar | i hate armory |
| 17:05.58 | *** join/#wowace FtH|Daemona (n=me@c214053.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 17:06.04 | durcyn | video games are very serious business? |
| 17:06.10 | Arcaia | is there a [NoGuild] type tag in Dogtags? |
| 17:06.16 | Ellipsis | [~Guild] |
| 17:06.24 | sylvanaar | but, since the info isnt private it should be in game, is my point |
| 17:06.40 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: I agree on that one, but it should be a blizzard API |
| 17:06.42 | [Ammo] | not some addon spammer |
| 17:06.50 | sylvanaar | i do recall using /raitem queries to check that a guy rolling need actuall used an item once |
| 17:06.58 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] yeah, it should be |
| 17:06.59 | [Ammo] | and yes it spams, go hover lots of new people in IF |
| 17:07.09 | [Ammo] | with your cowtip + talents |
| 17:07.09 | [Ammo] | urgh |
| 17:07.36 | *** join/#wowace Paene (n=Jim@24-236-181-169.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 17:07.55 | sylvanaar | yeah, it sends queries, they are throttled though |
| 17:08.16 | Ailleus | sylvanaar by that talent spyware you mean tattle or what? |
| 17:08.23 | neenee | There, added keybindings to scm :) |
| 17:09.17 | sylvanaar | Ailleus no rockcomm lets you get talentspecs from people |
| 17:09.34 | sylvanaar | Ailleus and [Ammo] was calling it spyware |
| 17:09.37 | Towbar | also installs a keylogger and credit card number tracker |
| 17:09.43 | kaiden | using that absolutely detestable thing blizzard added for such events called inter-addon communication |
| 17:09.47 | Punkie` | it is spyware |
| 17:09.53 | Punkie` | disable it by default |
| 17:10.10 | Towbar | ad-aware: warning you have rock installed! |
| 17:10.11 | [Ammo] | just write a 'lag someone using rock addon' |
| 17:10.12 | [Ammo] | it's easy |
| 17:10.13 | sylvanaar | spyware is /raitem checks |
| 17:10.13 | Towbar | :o |
| 17:10.17 | [Ammo] | request their talents |
| 17:10.31 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: not quite, that's a choice and there is a 'disable item checks' option |
| 17:10.39 | Punkie` | ownt |
| 17:10.41 | sylvanaar | yeah, but its not off by default |
| 17:11.11 | sylvanaar | and it provides *private* information |
| 17:11.25 | [Ammo] | installing oRA2 is a consious choice |
| 17:11.32 | sylvanaar | whereas your talentspec is not private |
| 17:11.34 | [Ammo] | installing RockComm isn't |
| 17:12.14 | [Ammo] | and rockcomm doesn't say it shares items |
| 17:12.16 | [Ammo] | oRA2 does |
| 17:12.22 | [Ammo] | or talents in the case of rockcomm |
| 17:12.30 | Punkie` | why does rockcomm do more than provide api for comms? |
| 17:12.35 | [Ammo] | it's a function of a separate addon |
| 17:12.40 | [Ammo] | with an option to toggle |
| 17:12.48 | *** join/#wowace evl (n=fuckoff@unaffiliated/evl) |
| 17:12.59 | [Ammo] | the talent share is shipped in rockcomm without mention, without option etc |
| 17:13.09 | [Ammo] | and makes you send data over the comm |
| 17:13.11 | [Ammo] | I call that spyware |
| 17:13.13 | sylvanaar | because its in armory without mention |
| 17:13.18 | *** join/#wowace Leialyn (n=Leialyn@84.180.251.21) |
| 17:13.24 | neenee | Hm.. Can a Growl toggle, with those 'ants' be put on a bartender bar? |
| 17:13.41 | sylvanaar | without an option |
| 17:13.42 | neenee | But the armory is not 3rd party |
| 17:13.44 | Towbar | ok i have cowtip installed now, will it show talents by default or do I have to enable something? |
| 17:13.48 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: you evade again |
| 17:13.48 | sylvanaar | neither is an addon |
| 17:13.56 | Hjalte | Towbar, you have to add the lines to it yourself. |
| 17:13.58 | Ellipsis | Towbar: you have to add a line text for it |
| 17:14.00 | sylvanaar | you need to get it made optional in armory |
| 17:14.03 | Towbar | where and how? |
| 17:14.06 | sylvanaar | otherwise, i can always get it |
| 17:14.12 | Punkie` | fucking lol :P |
| 17:14.16 | [Ammo] | this is not about egtting the fucking info |
| 17:14.17 | sylvanaar | this just makes it easier |
| 17:14.19 | [Ammo] | read you retard |
| 17:14.23 | Fisker- | ownt |
| 17:14.24 | [Ammo] | damnit |
| 17:14.27 | [Ammo] | you make me go and curse |
| 17:14.29 | [Ammo] | READ |
| 17:14.31 | [Ammo] | FFS |
| 17:14.33 | sylvanaar | i did |
| 17:14.38 | Towbar | i got vent chat, had a phone call or two and ppl whispering ingame |
| 17:14.39 | Ellipsis | Towbar: open the "Edit Line Texts" config and add a line with [TalentSpec] or [TalentTree] |
| 17:14.42 | Fisker- | no you don't Punkie` |
| 17:14.45 | Towbar | i am a bit behind on irc chat atm |
| 17:14.46 | Punkie` | too late |
| 17:14.51 | Fisker- | no it's not |
| 17:14.51 | Elkano | sylvanaar, there is no point why someone should be able to get your talents and such only because you installed Cartographer which ships with RockComm |
| 17:14.57 | Fisker- | because you were immune to the effect |
| 17:15.02 | [Ammo] | you're shipping a feature hidden inside something else |
| 17:15.05 | [Ammo] | without an option |
| 17:15.06 | Towbar | ellipsis: thanks |
| 17:15.08 | [Ammo] | without a consious choice |
| 17:15.09 | sylvanaar | Elkano so they look you up on armory |
| 17:15.10 | Fisker- | the thing is that my knife places a non-repairable or healable debuff |
| 17:15.16 | sylvanaar | what is the difference |
| 17:15.20 | Fisker- | so infact i win |
| 17:15.20 | Fisker- | :O |
| 17:15.27 | CIA-12 | 03funkydude * r50794 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Council.lua: BigWigs: BlackTemple/Council: Add Vanish timers as requested by Valoran |
| 17:15.30 | sylvanaar | you have no choice |
| 17:15.33 | [Ammo] | the difference is, I did not ask for that broadcast |
| 17:15.34 | Punkie` | sylvanaar: you have been told the difference |
| 17:15.35 | Saroz | I agree with [Ammo], for once |
| 17:15.37 | [Ammo] | yet I get it |
| 17:15.38 | Ailleus | ellipsis will that work for every ppl you target? |
| 17:15.39 | [Ammo] | but you don't listen |
| 17:15.40 | Elkano | sylvanaar, I'm fine with that since the armory isn't something running on my PC |
| 17:15.41 | hyperChipmunk | so let them look you up on th armorory |
| 17:15.43 | hyperChipmunk | what's th difference? |
| 17:15.46 | [Ammo] | you come with the armory argument all the time |
| 17:15.47 | Ellipsis | Ailleus: only if they have a Rock addon running |
| 17:15.57 | [Ammo] | it doesn;t hold |
| 17:15.58 | hyperChipmunk | they don't need an addon |
| 17:16.06 | [Ammo] | they might want an addon |
| 17:16.07 | Fisker- | I agree with mr. [Ammo] |
| 17:16.08 | sylvanaar | you know i can copy your name in game, and have your spec filled into the clipboard, then hit paste |
| 17:16.10 | [Ammo] | they don't need a hidden feature |
| 17:16.14 | sylvanaar | never alt tabbing |
| 17:16.15 | Saroz | It's like that LOOT_OPENED thing that sneaked its way into AceComm, or whatever lib it was |
| 17:16.29 | [Ammo] | in AceEvent |
| 17:16.31 | Towbar | lol at that |
| 17:16.32 | Saroz | ye |
| 17:16.33 | [Ammo] | which I am not allowed to remove |
| 17:16.34 | [Ammo] | grrr |
| 17:16.41 | Saroz | WHA |
| 17:16.45 | Saroz | it's in Ace3? |
| 17:16.46 | Towbar | so many people on my server in IF whose talents I can see |
| 17:16.47 | Elkano | well, at least it wont make it in again... |
| 17:16.49 | [Ammo] | no |
| 17:16.52 | Saroz | phew |
| 17:16.55 | [Ammo] | it's in AceEvent-2.0 |
| 17:16.58 | CIA-12 | 03adirelle * r50795 10CastYeller/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:16.58 | CIA-12 | CastYeller: |
| 17:16.58 | CIA-12 | - sanitized loading of the file in case of error in core, |
| 17:16.58 | CIA-12 | - added information about announce conditions, events and channels in spell tooltips. |
| 17:16.59 | Saroz | ye |
| 17:17.02 | [Ammo] | it's fucking spyware |
| 17:17.10 | Punkie` | btw, do I need to ask who added that? |
| 17:17.13 | dylanm | What're we talking about here? |
| 17:17.20 | Funkeh` | sex |
| 17:17.24 | dylanm | Sweet. |
| 17:17.28 | Funkeh` | I'm going to sex you Punkie` |
| 17:17.30 | dylanm | ck invented that too? |
| 17:17.30 | TNSe | whats wrong with it |
| 17:17.32 | [Ammo] | the definition of spyware is sharing information on a certain medium without consiously knowning you're doing that |
| 17:17.36 | TNSe | its nothing you can't see with armory anyway |
| 17:17.36 | [Ammo] | in my book |
| 17:17.42 | sylvanaar | you can claim its spyware, but its probably the most useful addition to the game i have seen in quite a while |
| 17:17.58 | Saroz | sylvanaar? |
| 17:17.58 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: I don't say it isn't useful |
| 17:17.59 | Saroz | lol |
| 17:18.03 | [Ammo] | but it's not a consious choice |
| 17:18.03 | hyperChipmunk | so make it an addon that people can choose to have |
| 17:18.07 | sylvanaar | no |
| 17:18.08 | [Ammo] | it's spyware |
| 17:18.12 | Punkie` | lol |
| 17:18.16 | TNSe | armory is spyware too then |
| 17:18.19 | hyperChipmunk | no |
| 17:18.23 | sylvanaar | you know how much trouble it is to get people to install anything |
| 17:18.23 | neenee | Nope. |
| 17:18.26 | charon | anyone else had problems with recount? some people in my guild, including me, have problems where we can't/couldn't log in except if we disable(d) recount |
| 17:18.27 | dylanm | spyware is incredibly useful. My having your credit card numbers is incredibly useful. |
| 17:18.39 | charon | (i fixed it by loading it via ACP+/reloadui, after which it worked again) |
| 17:18.42 | dylanm | To me. |
| 17:18.43 | sylvanaar | sorry |
| 17:18.50 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: not a valid argument |
| 17:18.56 | sylvanaar | you need to compare the same type of informations |
| 17:19.10 | sylvanaar | sharing PUBLIC information and PRIVATE |
| 17:19.21 | [Ammo] | it's not about sharing the info |
| 17:19.24 | [Ammo] | it's about the CHOICE |
| 17:19.28 | neenee | Not only the information, but the means with which they are acquired matters. |
| 17:19.36 | [Ammo] | the means indeed |
| 17:19.43 | Ellipsis | we don't have an opt-out of armory yet |
| 17:19.48 | Ellipsis | even though it's been "planned" for a while |
| 17:20.00 | Ellipsis | and many people don't know/realize that it even shows your talents and stuff |
| 17:20.03 | neenee | Indeed, but that does not mean we have to ignore other attempts at getting the same info. |
| 17:20.05 | Ellipsis | how can you defend that, ammo? |
| 17:20.15 | dylanm | I tend to view information as free for non-free. If it's freely viewable there's little point in restricting it in any sense. |
| 17:20.17 | Punkie` | Ellipsis: You install world of warcraft |
| 17:20.20 | Punkie` | thats your choice |
| 17:20.21 | Fisker- | we're not Blizzard Ellipsis |
| 17:20.24 | sylvanaar | he just doesnt want to respond to the queries |
| 17:20.39 | dylanm | Are we talking about the talent spec thing in RockComm? |
| 17:20.39 | hyperChipmunk | here's where the line is drawn: your addition of spyware to an established addon means you're using the reputation of the ace community to exploit the user without them knowing about it. thus, when the backlash comes, it comes against the very same community and its reputation. you have no right to do that. |
| 17:20.57 | TNSe | uhh |
| 17:21.00 | Punkie` | framework is supposed to be transparent, i shouldnt install a framework for these extra "features" |
| 17:21.00 | TNSe | as I said already |
| 17:21.03 | [Ammo] | exacgtly |
| 17:21.05 | TNSe | its nothing you cannot already do via armory |
| 17:21.10 | hyperChipmunk | that isn't the point |
| 17:21.11 | Ellipsis | pretty sure users have noticed that rock addons are rock |
| 17:21.14 | Ellipsis | since they complain nonstop |
| 17:21.14 | TNSe | that is the point |
| 17:21.17 | hyperChipmunk | no |
| 17:21.18 | sylvanaar | sharing PRIVATE info is different than PUBLIC |
| 17:21.22 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: they were forced rock down the throat |
| 17:21.25 | TNSe | there is no private info |
| 17:21.29 | TNSe | its all on armory |
| 17:21.32 | Ellipsis | so ammo? |
| 17:21.37 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: due to WAU, and ckk not using new version numbers |
| 17:21.45 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: so they got shoved the talent spyware down the throat |
| 17:21.48 | [Ammo] | on established addons |
| 17:21.51 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50796 10FlexBar2/Button/Slashcommands.lua: FlexBar2: Recoded the /fb line command |
| 17:21.51 | [Ammo] | like hyperChipmunk said |
| 17:21.51 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] they were his addons |
| 17:21.58 | Ellipsis | they should read changelogs or not use beta software |
| 17:22.06 | hyperChipmunk | the point is that he's putting infected code in using the reputation of a community of which i am a part...a reputation i have a stake in |
| 17:22.12 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: please don't change the subject to something else |
| 17:22.17 | Ellipsis | I agree with you on the major version thing, btw |
| 17:22.20 | Ellipsis | I'm not |
| 17:22.21 | TNSe | infected code? |
| 17:22.25 | dreamss | talent spyware? how is ur talent spec private? |
| 17:22.30 | [Ammo] | this ddiscussion is about the non-consious talent spyware |
| 17:22.42 | Ellipsis | users are agreeing to use whatever code they're downloading - if they don't care to check it out before running it, that's their problem |
| 17:22.44 | TNSe | people use windows |
| 17:22.44 | sylvanaar | its not, spyware only applies to private info |
| 17:22.46 | dylanm | There's a lot of info-sharing that goes on already. Carto guild positions or whatnot. |
| 17:22.49 | hyperChipmunk | yes; code that has nothing to do with the addon and runs behind the users' backs |
| 17:22.50 | TNSe | people have no right to complain about spyware |
| 17:22.51 | Punkie` | Ellipsis: wrong |
| 17:22.55 | Ellipsis | if someone downloads virus.exe and runs it and complains about spyware, I don't even listen to them |
| 17:22.58 | Punkie` | it's in the framework |
| 17:23.05 | Punkie` | the framework is supposed to be transparent |
| 17:23.16 | dylanm | I agree that the framework is probably not a good place for this. |
| 17:23.16 | hyperChipmunk | that's infection |
| 17:23.16 | sylvanaar | i dont get any warning from oRA when the raid leader does item checks |
| 17:23.19 | Punkie` | if it was in the addon itself, understandable |
| 17:23.23 | TNSe | that blizzard hasn't already added this to the inspect ui |
| 17:23.26 | TNSe | is a flaw by blizz |
| 17:23.28 | Ellipsis | the framework IS transparent |
| 17:23.28 | sylvanaar | thats PRIVATE info |
| 17:23.30 | *** join/#wowace ie|Stiffe (n=hehe@81-231-242-209-no39.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 17:23.33 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: but you installed oRA didn't you, knowing it does item checks? |
| 17:23.33 | Antiarc | http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd76/Gillorin/?action=view¤t=Executestormheraldwin.jpg |
| 17:23.34 | hyperChipmunk | but you understand that's part of oRA |
| 17:23.36 | sylvanaar | no |
| 17:23.41 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: and you did check the menu didn't you'? |
| 17:23.45 | Fisker- | you can disable that sylvanaar |
| 17:23.47 | sylvanaar | i know |
| 17:23.48 | [Ammo] | I tried to find the turnoff switch for the talent thing |
| 17:23.50 | [Ammo] | but I can't |
| 17:23.50 | hyperChipmunk | the thing is, lots of people want maps |
| 17:23.53 | [Ammo] | it's not there |
| 17:23.53 | sylvanaar | but its PRIVATE remember |
| 17:23.58 | dylanm | Antiarc: lol |
| 17:24.07 | Punkie` | sylvanaar: wtf are you on about |
| 17:24.10 | sylvanaar | turn off armory |
| 17:24.11 | hyperChipmunk | and also lots of people don't want their talent info visible in-game |
| 17:24.13 | *** join/#wowace Kalman| (n=delay@dhcp27.public.dc.umich.edu) |
| 17:24.17 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: did you or did you not CHOSE to install oRA2? |
| 17:24.20 | hyperChipmunk | you've made it so they can't have one without the other |
| 17:24.22 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: then they shouldn't play a game with armory available |
| 17:24.26 | sylvanaar | otherwise i can view your talentspec in-game |
| 17:24.29 | hyperChipmunk | in-game |
| 17:24.32 | hyperChipmunk | key word |
| 17:24.34 | Ellipsis | you can't datamine the armory? |
| 17:24.35 | sylvanaar | in-game |
| 17:24.36 | TNSe | knowing a spec doesnt mean you can play it |
| 17:24.38 | dylanm | How is in-game any difference? |
| 17:24.41 | Elkano | sylvanaar, does your answering machine provide a way for anyone calling you to get your name, address, size, ... without you speaking them on the tape? |
| 17:24.44 | Ellipsis | you can't alt-tab and look something up? |
| 17:24.48 | sylvanaar | i just copy your name to the clipboard |
| 17:24.50 | [Ammo] | datamining the armory is forbidden by blizzard EULA |
| 17:24.53 | hyperChipmunk | then you're using your own resources, not mine |
| 17:24.54 | *** join/#wowace Sirow (n=Miranda_@87.164.214.37) |
| 17:25.07 | [Ammo] | but sylvanaar answer, did you CHOOSE to install oRA2 |
| 17:25.10 | hyperChipmunk | it has no place in a map addon |
| 17:25.12 | sylvanaar | and a background app gets the info and replaces the clipboard contents |
| 17:25.13 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: do you pay attention to every single bit sent by addon comms on your computer? |
| 17:25.23 | hyperChipmunk | no, which is why this pisses me off |
| 17:25.25 | hyperChipmunk | i shouldn't have to |
| 17:25.25 | dylanm | [Ammo]: Don't a lot of places do it? Odd that wow-jutsu has been allowed to stay up then. |
| 17:25.26 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] joe user doesnt know what it does |
| 17:25.28 | Ellipsis | you don't have to |
| 17:25.31 | TNSe | hyperChipmunk. I'm with you on that point :P |
| 17:25.41 | hyperChipmunk | especially when it's an addon from a community i trust |
| 17:25.50 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: joe user gets a nice hint on the button to check the menu and all, but you did not answer my question |
| 17:25.51 | hyperChipmunk | stuff like that breaks that kind of trust |
| 17:26.00 | Ellipsis | if the community doesn't like the code, the community shouldn't be hosting it |
| 17:26.10 | hyperChipmunk | if they have no qualms about putting my talent info in, what else might they be doing behind my back? |
| 17:26.14 | DrWily | it would be cool to snapshot my items on the armory to post on a forum or something, and have that snapshot be statick |
| 17:26.15 | sylvanaar | hyperChipmunk please what trust - your secrect spec |
| 17:26.19 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: tell ckknight to move rock of wowace, it's not what we want at least |
| 17:26.20 | Qaarh_ | need help guys - http://surl.se/erij - look at that link. See the totems? I'd love to see my totems looking like that ^ |
| 17:26.42 | hyperChipmunk | now i have to inspect, because I now know that they're sending non-addon-relative info |
| 17:26.48 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: did you choose to install oRA2? did someone who installed Cartographer choose to install talent response? |
| 17:26.56 | Fisker- | model changing Qaarh_ you gonna get B& |
| 17:26.58 | sylvanaar | you need to quit trying to find points of contest to become indignant on |
| 17:27.00 | hyperChipmunk | and they could be doing it with other things |
| 17:27.08 | [Ammo] | I am asking a simple question |
| 17:27.11 | Qaarh_ | new models in upcoming patch? interesting |
| 17:27.18 | Fisker- | no |
| 17:27.25 | Fisker- | changed models with others |
| 17:27.28 | hyperChipmunk | no, i don't want to be here as an op and community leader when the backlash comes |
| 17:27.29 | Qaarh_ | oh I see |
| 17:27.29 | Fisker- | bannable offense |
| 17:27.30 | Fisker- | :O |
| 17:27.32 | Qaarh_ | that's bannable |
| 17:27.32 | sylvanaar | why am i not prompted when the /raitem chech is done and asked permission |
| 17:27.44 | sylvanaar | hyperChipmunk what backlash |
| 17:27.44 | Qaarh_ | (it's not my character, heh, which is why I asked how to get them to look like that) |
| 17:27.52 | erb | ammo: oRA2 can be installed w/o user permission? |
| 17:27.58 | [Ammo] | erb: no |
| 17:28.03 | erb | oh ok i was confused :) |
| 17:28.06 | [Ammo] | talent response can |
| 17:28.08 | hyperChipmunk | when people find out that we've been doing things behind their backs like that |
| 17:28.14 | [Ammo] | just install cartographer, it comes free in the package |
| 17:28.30 | hyperChipmunk | this community has a reputation |
| 17:28.39 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: item checks are an integral and published part of oRA2 |
| 17:28.44 | hyperChipmunk | i'm not willing to put it on the line for your convenience |
| 17:28.45 | sylvanaar | hyperChipmunk the only ones raising a stink are ace3 people so far, and their camp of followers |
| 17:28.46 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: and provided with an option to shut them off |
| 17:28.57 | Fisker- | yes sylvanaar |
| 17:29.07 | Fisker- | Play the "You always Defend X"-card |
| 17:29.08 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: those people happen to be the once that advocate an open community as well |
| 17:29.10 | Fisker- | that works so well! |
| 17:29.12 | hyperChipmunk | those people happen to be the same ones that have been part of the ace community for the longest time |
| 17:29.13 | sylvanaar | [Ammo] yes, try turning that option off in a raid |
| 17:29.21 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: works fine |
| 17:29.25 | hyperChipmunk | and who have the greatest stake in its reputation |
| 17:29.29 | alext | <erb> dood |
| 17:29.29 | alext | <erb> i didnt ask to install that Rock addon |
| 17:29.29 | alext | <erb> it just appeared |
| 17:29.29 | alext | <erb> i didnt like that either |
| 17:29.30 | alext | heh |
| 17:29.41 | chexsum | !infobot |
| 17:29.48 | Fisker- | I actually like Rock more than i did Ace2 |
| 17:29.49 | sylvanaar | hyperChipmunk you know we have all contributed to the community |
| 17:29.55 | chexsum | aka rockcomm |
| 17:29.56 | Fisker- | I had better memory usage and the configuration was better |
| 17:30.03 | xyu | loudnoises!! |
| 17:30.05 | hyperChipmunk | we know that the reason this community is trusted is because we don't do crap like that |
| 17:30.08 | Fisker- | but i still don't like the idea of broadcasting my talent spec without being able to turn it off |
| 17:30.16 | [Ammo] | I am with hyperChipmunk on this one |
| 17:30.21 | [Ammo] | we do crap like it though |
| 17:30.25 | hyperChipmunk | when you start down that path, then that trust is shaken |
| 17:30.27 | [Ammo] | LOOT_OPENED *cough* |
| 17:30.33 | hyperChipmunk | that one pissed me off too |
| 17:30.36 | [Ammo] | yeah |
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| 17:30.40 | sylvanaar | i think it helps more than it hurts |
| 17:30.45 | [Ammo] | it doesn't help |
| 17:30.55 | sylvanaar | yeah but that its your old personal vendettas |
| 17:31.03 | [Ammo] | nono |
| 17:31.05 | [Ammo] | wrong |
| 17:31.06 | hyperChipmunk | i don't care what you think; it's not helping user vs. hurting user. It's helping user vs. hurting community |
| 17:31.18 | Fisker- | Is there a point where you can get over the personal attacks and stick to the point? |
| 17:31.19 | Kalman| | Forgive the late arrival, but what's broadcasting talent specs? |
| 17:31.21 | sylvanaar | MOST people in the game want to know the spec of peopel when trying to form any type of group |
| 17:31.23 | Fisker- | because that would just be sweet |
| 17:31.27 | hyperChipmunk | the community is non-negotiable |
| 17:31.41 | hyperChipmunk | Fisker-: ? |
| 17:31.42 | Paene | wait wait, what the hell is going on? |
| 17:31.44 | sylvanaar | ARMORY is broadcasting talent specs |
| 17:31.53 | hyperChipmunk | good; then we don't need carto to |
| 17:31.54 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50797 10FlexBar2/Button/Slashcommands.lua: FlexBar2: Recoded the /fb line command |
| 17:32.01 | sylvanaar | if it wasnt you'd have an argument |
| 17:32.03 | Kalman| | Cartographer is a map addon. |
| 17:32.03 | hyperChipmunk | armory has that as one of its advertised features |
| 17:32.04 | [Ammo] | does cartographer need to distribute it? |
| 17:32.07 | Ellipsis | the trust issue would make sense if it was a hidden feature that was doing something not already possible |
| 17:32.08 | hyperChipmunk | cartographer does NOT |
| 17:32.12 | hyperChipmunk | no |
| 17:32.13 | dreamss | ur spells/gear will give away your spec |
| 17:32.14 | Kalman| | Why the HELL is it doing anything with talents? |
| 17:32.14 | dreamss | heh |
| 17:32.17 | hyperChipmunk | Ellipsis: no no no |
| 17:32.20 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50798 10FlexBar2/Button/Slashcommands.lua: FlexBar2: remove debug code |
| 17:32.21 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: it is a hidden feature and not already possible |
| 17:32.24 | Fisker- | hyperChipmunk everyone who doesn't think the talentresponse is good is apparently butthumping Ace devs and have a personal grudge |
| 17:32.34 | Antiarc | Kalman|: Because the API doesn't exist and ckknight believed it should. |
| 17:32.37 | Fisker- | The discussion is not about who humps who or who has a grudge. |
| 17:32.41 | Ellipsis | if your argument is the "bandwidth" then what about other addons who sync/etc. whose comms are not optimal? do you go after those authors? |
| 17:32.57 | [Ammo] | I never mentioned the bandwith argument |
| 17:33.00 | Paene | what does the talentresponse do? Just broadcast talent specs to other Cart users? |
| 17:33.05 | Ellipsis | how is it not possible to see someone's spec ammo? |
| 17:33.06 | Fisker- | rock users |
| 17:33.11 | Kalman| | Antiarc: API would be one thing, but why is it part of Cartog? |
| 17:33.17 | [Ammo] | my argument is consious choice vs hidden spy |
| 17:33.28 | [Ammo] | and I agree it's useful info |
| 17:33.29 | [Ammo] | mind you |
| 17:33.32 | hyperChipmunk | because it's a hidden feature means when the first person outside the community finds out, he makes a loud glaring post on the boards about how we're sending comm info behind everyone's back, and then the possibility of WHAT ELSE might be being sent opens up |
| 17:33.34 | Antiarc | Kalman|: It's a part of RockComm, I believe |
| 17:33.36 | [Ammo] | heck I'd use it if it was in the default blizzard API |
| 17:33.37 | Antiarc | Which Carto uses |
| 17:33.37 | Arcaia | Wowarmory.com |
| 17:33.43 | Ellipsis | ammo: and my argument is that you don't need to make a conscious choice to do something that's already being done, i.e. broadcasting your talents. |
| 17:33.46 | [Ammo] | it's about hiding it inside core libs |
| 17:33.58 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: the medium matters |
| 17:34.11 | Ellipsis | the medium is interwebs. |
| 17:34.11 | Punkie` | s/core libs/framework/ :P |
| 17:34.15 | xyu | ~rock |
| 17:34.16 | purl | i heard rock is an addon framework for World of Warcraft written by ckknight. More information is available at http://wowace.com/wiki/Rock. It is also an object best not thrown in glass houses. what we're all about, it's what we live for, c'mon and shout it out |
| 17:34.18 | Ellipsis | it's all data on the same wires |
| 17:34.18 | sylvanaar | THAT POST WOULD HAVE HIS AVATAR NEXT TO IT WHICH YOU COULD CLICK AND SEE HIS SPEC |
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| 17:34.35 | Kalman| | So? |
| 17:34.46 | hyperChipmunk | yes, but he knows that's part of blizz's boards |
| 17:34.48 | Kalman| | There are ways to obfuscate armory spec. |
| 17:34.56 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: how long did it take people to notice LOOT_OPENED? |
| 17:35.00 | Ellipsis | I mean, users |
| 17:35.04 | sylvanaar | um, people would all click that link and LOL at him |
| 17:35.16 | Arcaia | [Ammo] is just afraid that Rock users might get to see his Spec with less effort to comment on it, I mean it's already on Wowarmory.com |
| 17:35.28 | hyperChipmunk | I was on hiatus when it went in |
| 17:35.36 | Kalman| | Ammo dislikes having his data broadcast without him having a choice about it. That's reasonable. |
| 17:35.37 | [Ammo] | Arcaia: no, this is truly nothing personal |
| 17:35.38 | hyperChipmunk | i had shot it to pieces before i left |
| 17:35.45 | hyperChipmunk | when i came back, it was in again |
| 17:35.48 | [Ammo] | and hyperChipmunk said it way more eloquently than I can ever do |
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| 17:35.59 | [Ammo] | I agitated against LOOT_OPENED as well |
| 17:36.02 | sylvanaar | it doesnt matter |
| 17:36.11 | sylvanaar | no user cares about that |
| 17:36.11 | Ellipsis | you guys are avoiding the question |
| 17:36.13 | Antiarc | I've butted heads with ckknight over it too. Philosophically, I believe that functionality belongs in its own, addon, which people should want to download because of a value-add it provides. |
| 17:36.28 | Ellipsis | how long did it take users to notice LOOT_OPENED? |
| 17:36.29 | Antiarc | My problem with it is that it's just kinda LOOT_OPENED v2, which is universally reviled :P |
| 17:36.33 | Arcaia | then what's the real complaint? that it scans your talents and sends -minimal numeric- data to another player? |
| 17:36.34 | hyperChipmunk | i said, i don't know |
| 17:36.41 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: It doesn't make a difference for the user. |
| 17:36.43 | hyperChipmunk | i wasn't here when it happened |
| 17:36.45 | Antiarc | It's a philosophical argument. |
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| 17:36.49 | Ellipsis | neither does the talent thing |
| 17:37.02 | Corey | you here cncfanatics? |
| 17:37.06 | Towbar | does oen take talent specs into account on aggro? |
| 17:37.11 | Marli | The arguement about specs being private is fucking retarded. The only reason to hide it would be because its shit |
| 17:37.12 | Towbar | like improved feint etc? |
| 17:37.13 | Fisker- | i don't even think LOOT_UPDATED was ever used either |
| 17:37.24 | [Ammo] | it's a principle thing, choice vs no choice |
| 17:37.27 | hyperChipmunk | Arcaia: the complaint is we're exploiting user trust to insert a convenience behind their backs...a convenience that they never asked for, nor have a choice to disable |
| 17:37.28 | Towbar | omen* |
| 17:37.28 | Kalman| | Marli: Only criminals have something to hide, after all. |
| 17:37.30 | sylvanaar | Towbar that would be useful wouldnt it |
| 17:37.41 | Marli | Only shit players have something to hide in wow |
| 17:37.44 | Antiarc | There's a quote that goes something along the lines of "Just because engineers can doesn't mean they should" |
| 17:37.50 | sylvanaar | hyperChipmunk go post it on the bliz forum then |
| 17:37.57 | cncfanatics | Corey, ofc |
| 17:37.59 | Marli | You cant compare IRL info to your chars spec thats just stupid |
| 17:37.59 | Antiarc | Marli: It isn't about hiding the freakin' talent spec. |
| 17:38.01 | Fisker- | Kalman| yeah and thus it's ok for the police to come storming into our house wrecking it each day because they see fit to it |
| 17:38.04 | Arcaia | WoW Addons are not on the same standards of Democracy -> If you want the Addon, you reason with it's features, if you don't like it's features, you shouldn't want the addon. |
| 17:38.07 | hyperChipmunk | when you start doing things behind their backs, that trust loses all validity |
| 17:38.08 | Kalman| | sylvanaar: If he doesnt, I probably will. |
| 17:38.08 | Arcaia | And now I go to class. |
| 17:38.14 | sylvanaar | good |
| 17:38.14 | Fisker- | Arcaia it's a HIDDEN FEATURE |
| 17:38.16 | hyperChipmunk | we're not talking about wow addons |
| 17:38.16 | Antiarc | It's about the philosophy of bundling unrelated functionality in an addon that espouses itself as something else. |
| 17:38.22 | hyperChipmunk | we're talking about Ace addons |
| 17:38.26 | Ellipsis | Fisker-: it's plainly in the code for all to see |
| 17:38.29 | sylvanaar | no its a rock addon |
| 17:38.30 | Ellipsis | no obfuscation or anything |
| 17:38.39 | Fisker- | yes because everyone is developing addons on a regular basis |
| 17:38.40 | Kalman| | Ellipsis: See how well that argument goes with J. Random. |
| 17:38.41 | hyperChipmunk | built on its reputation as an ace addon |
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| 17:38.47 | Arcaia | Hrm... |
| 17:38.55 | Fisker- | oh yeah i just went through thousands of lines of code and saw that it did that |
| 17:38.58 | Ellipsis | Kalman|: I don't really care, I don't use software without knowing what it does for a reason |
| 17:38.58 | Fisker- | shame on rock! |
| 17:38.59 | Marli | So what exactly is it you want to hide |
| 17:39.01 | Arcaia | Towbar -> What did I do last night when the IQ dropped in this channel? |
| 17:39.01 | Marli | if it isnt spec |
| 17:39.03 | Arcaia | Oh yes /part |
| 17:39.04 | *** part/#wowace Arcaia (n=cnflct@131.247.79.219) |
| 17:39.16 | Ellipsis | and J. Random who downloads a program because it sounds cool probably has far worse spyware issues than RockComm. |
| 17:39.24 | hyperChipmunk | that's not for us to decide |
| 17:39.33 | Fisker- | yup |
| 17:39.35 | Punkie` | qft |
| 17:39.35 | Ellipsis | you can't change what users are |
| 17:39.39 | Fisker- | only need to look through 3000 lines of code |
| 17:39.43 | Kalman| | Marli: I want it not to be built into an addon oriented around maps, not to be built into a lib for generic comms, and to have an option to be turned off. |
| 17:39.46 | sylvanaar | pragmatism vs idealism |
| 17:39.46 | Ellipsis | if they want to be stupid and run things without knowing what they do, that's their choice |
| 17:39.47 | cncfanatics | Corey, what is it ? |
| 17:39.47 | Fisker- | and that's only if i know the file which to look through |
| 17:39.50 | hyperChipmunk | no, but i can sure as heck enforce what WE are |
| 17:39.57 | Corey | cncfanatics i did fb blizz hide=true then set it back to false but whenever i log in its still hiding it |
| 17:39.59 | hyperChipmunk | and we're not that |
| 17:40.02 | Marli | What exactly is the thing this mod does you dont want it to |
| 17:40.10 | hyperChipmunk | we are where we are today BECAUSE we're not that |
| 17:40.19 | Kalman| | It doesn't let me turn it off. |
| 17:40.19 | Antiarc | Marli: You're completely missing the point. It's about making map addons do damned mapping things, and talent addons do talent things. Mixing them is just philosophically questionalble. |
| 17:40.31 | sylvanaar | provides publicly available information in-game |
| 17:40.38 | Marli | So, what exactly is it the mod does that you dont want it to |
| 17:40.41 | Kalman| | My spec is not publicly available, sylvanaar. |
| 17:40.43 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: I really have no problem with that |
| 17:40.45 | Marli | Like what sylvanaar |
| 17:40.49 | sylvanaar | Kalman| you are an idiot |
| 17:40.49 | Kalman| | My spec as of some unspecified time in the past is available. |
| 17:40.50 | hyperChipmunk | then make an addon that does convenience-related comm stuff |
| 17:40.50 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: I have an issue with the WAY it is provided |
| 17:40.50 | charon | Antiarc: i believe it's about making library addons do controversy things ;) |
| 17:40.53 | Antiarc | It's a good feature! I like having talents available in-game! But the functionality is, I believe, -in the wrong place- and the addon is misrepresented. |
| 17:40.57 | cncfanatics | Corey, lemme check |
| 17:41.00 | Corey | ok |
| 17:41.25 | Kalman| | sylvanaar: Probably should have let me finish my statement. Armory isn't always accurate, which means that my current spec is *not* publicly available. |
| 17:41.28 | sylvanaar | Kalman| and that's good why? so you can lie |
| 17:41.31 | Kalman| | Yep. |
| 17:41.36 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 17:41.45 | cncfanatics | Corey, its /fb blizz show=true/false |
| 17:41.49 | cncfanatics | not hide |
| 17:41.59 | hyperChipmunk | SpyComm -- sends talent info, gear, maxhp, login and password (but we don't tell them about those last two) to anyone else with the addon |
| 17:42.02 | mikma | BRING IT ON |
| 17:42.07 | cncfanatics | its just ignoring ur argument and doing its default behaviour as if u didnt pass args (which is, hiding the bar) |
| 17:42.20 | Kalman| | I have no issue with such an addon existing. I just don't want it to be part of unrelated addons, and I want to be able to turn it off if I feel like it. |
| 17:42.27 | Fisker- | oh i bring the pain mikma |
| 17:42.34 | Kalman| | There's no reason I can't heal non-heroics as shadow, other than fucking stupid PUGgers. |
| 17:42.42 | hyperChipmunk | not only should you be able to turn it off, it should be off by default |
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| 17:43.00 | Kalman| | Well, if it's in a seperate dedicated addon, hC, it can be on by default. |
| 17:43.01 | Ellipsis | Kalman|: do you spend gold to respec every time you log out or just get disconnected? |
| 17:43.03 | hyperChipmunk | it shouldn't even be in at all |
| 17:43.08 | sylvanaar | Kalman| well, sounds like ace will protect your right to lie |
| 17:43.10 | hyperChipmunk | oh, if it was its own add on, of course |
| 17:43.13 | Antiarc | Let's get one thing clear: I don't think anyone has a serious issue with their talent spec being available. People have an issue with the functionality being somewhere it doesn't belong. |
| 17:43.14 | Mudkips | o/ |
| 17:43.18 | Marli | Comparing your login details to anything else is quit retarded |
| 17:43.20 | Kalman| | Ellipsis: No, but I'm also not a top-tier arena player, nor do I actually want to hide my spec. |
| 17:43.24 | Marli | quite* |
| 17:43.26 | Fisker- | Antiarc forget it |
| 17:43.26 | Kalman| | I just want to be able to if I change my mind. |
| 17:43.32 | Antiarc | It's like if I were to put a remote emote backdoor into Omen so I could make my entire raid /lick a healer at once |
| 17:43.32 | Fisker- | that's what we've been telling them for hours now |
| 17:43.33 | sylvanaar | it belongs in the game api |
| 17:43.42 | hyperChipmunk | my problem is that my rep is being exploited to do underhanded things |
| 17:43.47 | Ellipsis | your rep? |
| 17:43.48 | Antiarc | Would it be funny? Hell yeah. Would it belong there? Not a chance! |
| 17:43.48 | Fisker- | you're just one of them ace-humping fanbois defending their ignorance |
| 17:43.50 | Corey | cncfanatics ok i just tried that one both of those made it hide false/true but if i do /fb blizz hide=false it comes back but hides again every time i log back in |
| 17:43.58 | cncfanatics | Corey |
| 17:43.59 | cncfanatics | update |
| 17:44.02 | cncfanatics | and then do /fb blizz show=true |
| 17:44.04 | Corey | ok |
| 17:44.07 | cncfanatics | don't use hide= it doesnt exist |
| 17:44.09 | sylvanaar | you know thats insulting that you say "your" rep |
| 17:44.20 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk - do you believe users hold you personally responsible for what ckknight's code does? |
| 17:44.23 | hyperChipmunk | well, that's the only one i can personally speak for |
| 17:44.29 | Corey | i just grabbed that from the help menu lol |
| 17:44.36 | Ellipsis | 'cause they hardly even know what website their addons come from, half the time |
| 17:44.39 | sylvanaar | hyperChipmunk no you seem to be speaking for more than yourself |
| 17:44.40 | Ellipsis | let alone who the author is |
| 17:44.46 | Fisker- | exactly |
| 17:44.47 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50799 10FlexBar2/Slashcommands.lua: FlexBar2: the /fb blizz command now hides the blizz bar if no arguments are supplied |
| 17:44.48 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: People lump "Wowace" and all its addons and authors into one big sum. |
| 17:44.54 | Fisker- | "It comes from that wowace thing, dunno the author" |
| 17:44.56 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: they know it comes frmo wowace |
| 17:44.59 | Fisker- | *user joins #wowace |
| 17:45.05 | Fisker- | <user> HEY FUCK YOU FOR DOING THIS |
| 17:45.07 | Corey | im updating though |
| 17:45.10 | Antiarc | Wowace is the entity. Thus, we hold a shared reputation. |
| 17:45.11 | Fisker- | that means you too hyperChipmunk |
| 17:45.19 | Ellipsis | yes but you guys ignored the point I made earlier |
| 17:45.30 | Ellipsis | users *are* getting the wake-up call when it comes to addons switching to Rock |
| 17:45.33 | Marli | Im here all the time, and I get my addons from the website, I dont have a clue who wrote all my addons apart from 1 |
| 17:45.36 | Marli | Why should I care |
| 17:45.39 | Ellipsis | it's in their face every time they try to configure anything |
| 17:45.47 | Fisker- | and so what? |
| 17:46.08 | Marli | Rock doesnt do anything does it :F |
| 17:46.18 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: do they get the 'you will now reply to people asking your talents on the addon channel automatically' in their face as well? |
| 17:46.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Marli: well, you should care mostly so you don't go blaming the wrong people for the wrong things, or asking for help from the wrong people. :P |
| 17:46.36 | Marli | Ive never wanted to blame someone for my addon lol |
| 17:46.40 | Marli | I just wait for fixes |
| 17:46.45 | Ellipsis | ammo: no, but that's my point - a user is either going to be unaware of the code, or aware of it, not both. |
| 17:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Marli: a good attitude to have, but i think my point still has merit. :) |
| 17:47.06 | Ellipsis | if they know the talents are being broadcast, they have a freaking clue, and probably know who's responsible |
| 17:47.09 | Fisker- | Again, a user is DEFINITELY going to look through SEVERAL THOUSANDS lines of code |
| 17:47.10 | cncfanatics | cryogen, working again? |
| 17:47.12 | madmarv | guys sorry for interruption, anyone know good torrent sites? |
| 17:47.15 | Corey | cncfanatics works perfect now, sorry about that |
| 17:47.18 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: users are generally unaware of the code |
| 17:47.22 | cncfanatics | Corey, np :) |
| 17:47.22 | Ellipsis | exactly |
| 17:47.24 | Fisker- | Ellipsis heard of users hearing from third-party sources? |
| 17:47.24 | [Ammo] | madmarv: go ask on another channel |
| 17:47.25 | sylvanaar | who cares, its PUBLIC info |
| 17:47.40 | Ellipsis | if they don't read the code, no way are they ever going to even notice that their talents are being broadcast over the comm channel |
| 17:47.47 | Marli | Who in the world thinks that coming here and complaining changes something NightHawkTheSane |
| 17:47.54 | cryogen | cncfanatics: te |
| 17:47.56 | Fisker- | like if someone says on the forum "OMG ROCK IS SHARING PRIVATE INFO" |
| 17:47.57 | cryogen | ye* |
| 17:47.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Marli: you would be surprised. >.> |
| 17:48.08 | Fisker- | then those other users won't know unless they read the code right? |
| 17:48.12 | cncfanatics | cryogen, got a clue what happened ? |
| 17:48.13 | [Ammo] | oooh, new idea, you can addon whisper people of same alignment in arenas right? |
| 17:48.14 | Marli | :) |
| 17:48.18 | [Ammo] | I hope they use rock |
| 17:48.19 | sylvanaar | good luck posting that on the bliz forum ROFL |
| 17:48.21 | sylvanaar | go now |
| 17:48.23 | sylvanaar | post |
| 17:48.30 | sylvanaar | on your main |
| 17:48.36 | Fisker- | well [Ammo] i think he did infact take care of that |
| 17:48.44 | [Ammo] | oh he blocked that because it's not fair? |
| 17:48.48 | Fisker- | yes |
| 17:48.51 | [Ammo] | awwwww |
| 17:48.59 | [Ammo] | spyware I tell you |
| 17:49.12 | Fisker- | atleast i think i heard him talk about that when i heard them talking about it earlier |
| 17:49.15 | NightHawkTheSane | not what it used to be? :P |
| 17:49.34 | sylvanaar | if he didnt blizzard will |
| 17:49.50 | sylvanaar | because addon channel comms in arena are exploitable |
| 17:50.08 | Funkeh` | did they fix PlaySoundFile() in 2.2.2 ? |
| 17:50.23 | Funkeh` | Testing sounds like they did |
| 17:50.42 | CIA-12 | 03sirow * r50800 10Avion/ (25 files in 14 dirs): |
| 17:50.43 | CIA-12 | Avion: |
| 17:50.43 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.46 | [Ammo] | they are not sylvanaar if the user knows what hey/she installs |
| 17:51.42 | sylvanaar | oh sure, in a perfect world anything is possible |
| 17:51.56 | [Ammo] | we can only strive to be perfect to get as close as we can get |
| 17:52.45 | CIA-12 | 03adirelle * r50801 10CastYeller/ (CastYeller.lua announces/priest.lua): |
| 17:52.45 | CIA-12 | CastYeller: |
| 17:52.45 | CIA-12 | - fixed priest.lua typo, |
| 17:52.45 | CIA-12 | - attempt to fix polymorph/portal announces. |
| 17:52.50 | [Ammo] | I told ckknight the talenshare was a bad idea |
| 17:52.58 | sylvanaar | pragmatists write software that does things, idealists write software that tries to do things perfectly |
| 17:53.05 | [Ammo] | but he dismissed it ofcourse |
| 17:53.20 | [Ammo] | pragmatists write software that does specific things |
| 17:53.31 | Kaelten | btw, all svn passes have been sent out |
| 17:53.40 | Mecdemort | event should always be the first arg to OnEvent right? |
| 17:53.41 | sylvanaar | things people want |
| 17:54.03 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: ofcourse, but in the place they expect it |
| 17:54.13 | [Ammo] | which has been the whole point of this |
| 17:54.19 | sylvanaar | just things they want - that's the goal |
| 17:54.31 | sylvanaar | idealists take it further |
| 17:54.37 | [Ammo] | what people want is subjective |
| 17:54.45 | Fisker- | no [Ammo] |
| 17:54.50 | Fisker- | Infact spyware can't be considered spyware |
| 17:54.53 | [Ammo] | if I want a mapping addon, and cartographer suits my needs I download it |
| 17:54.55 | Fisker- | they just want the best for their users |
| 17:54.56 | Towbar | what are the main differences between parrot and SCT? |
| 17:54.58 | Fisker- | by infected their machines |
| 17:55.03 | Fisker- | that's what people want! |
| 17:55.04 | [Ammo] | nowhere does it say I get a talent thing |
| 17:55.05 | Towbar | and which is better in your opnion? |
| 17:55.09 | CIA-12 | 03aliset 07aliset_effective_health * r50802 10TankPoints/TankPointsTooltips.lua: |
| 17:55.09 | CIA-12 | TankPoints: |
| 17:55.09 | CIA-12 | - Fix for when you don't have certain tooltips on. |
| 17:55.27 | [Ammo] | Towbar: parrot is more efficient |
| 17:55.33 | [Ammo] | sct is a PoS |
| 17:55.40 | Towbar | does it shows heals etc as well or just dmg? |
| 17:55.44 | [Ammo] | yes |
| 17:55.49 | [Ammo] | everything you'd expect and more |
| 17:55.51 | Towbar | awesome will give it a go |
| 17:56.02 | Fisker- | probably the most sophisticated scrolling combat text you can get |
| 17:56.02 | chexsum | yeah, you cant get a talent spec via acecomm within arena unless youre in the same party as the sender |
| 17:56.03 | Fisker- | :P |
| 17:56.07 | sylvanaar | well, change ora2 so that when someone checks my items i get an informational message |
| 17:56.16 | Mecdemort | if i wanted to make my own minimalist event handler "Frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(event, ...) return self[event](self, event, ...) end)" should work right? |
| 17:56.20 | Fisker- | why? |
| 17:56.25 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: make a feature request and I might even add the /print needed |
| 17:56.35 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it's not the point I'm trying to make though |
| 17:56.37 | sylvanaar | that was the feature requrest |
| 17:56.52 | Fisker- | no that was a proposition |
| 17:56.55 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50803 10FlexBar2/Keybindings/Slashcommands.lua: |
| 17:56.55 | CIA-12 | FlexBar2: |
| 17:56.55 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.55 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.09 | Fisker- | or blackmailing if you would go that far |
| 17:57.26 | CIA-12 | 03vlorn * r50804 10Bidder_DiscordEPGP/ (5 files): Bidder_DiscordEPGP: Initial Upload |
| 17:57.28 | sylvanaar | REQUEST: when performing /raitem checks, print % has just checked if you had % |
| 17:57.31 | [Ammo] | I'd have to add the option to turn of the message as well |
| 17:57.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Towbar: i'm partial to msbt myself, it's probably equally as good as parrot |
| 17:57.42 | chexsum | parrot is a pain to setup if you like short messages :( |
| 17:57.52 | [Ammo] | after I add that option, will you add the option to rockcomm? |
| 17:57.52 | kebinusan | Anyone use HealOrganizer or similar mods to organize healing assignments? |
| 17:57.54 | Fisker- | my Parrot worked fine from the start pretty much |
| 17:57.58 | Fisker- | used 10-15 minutes on setup |
| 17:58.04 | [Ammo] | I asked ckknight |
| 17:58.12 | Xinhuan | .. i just came back and glanced at the channel, and noted that you ppl have been arguing about that RockTalent thing again for the last hour o_O |
| 17:58.14 | [Ammo] | and he could not add an option for such an imba feature |
| 17:58.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: arguments here last all day long. ;) |
| 17:58.44 | sylvanaar | oRA is sharing private information, its more important that i be notified |
| 17:58.51 | [Ammo] | turn it off |
| 17:58.55 | [Ammo] | there's an option |
| 17:59.02 | sylvanaar | how would i know |
| 17:59.03 | [Ammo] | but we're repeating ourselves again |
| 17:59.09 | sylvanaar | to turn it off |
| 17:59.11 | [Ammo] | there's the ORA button |
| 17:59.16 | [Ammo] | that says: HINT: check the menu! |
| 17:59.17 | CIA-12 | 03sirow * r50805 10Avion/ (Avion.toc modules.xml): |
| 17:59.17 | CIA-12 | Avion: |
| 17:59.17 | CIA-12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.19 | otravi | in b4 emoness |
| 17:59.22 | [Ammo] | zomg Item Check menu |
| 17:59.23 | Sirow | Q: Is there a way to load XML files from other XML files? |
| 17:59.33 | [Ammo] | it's easier than going through rock config |
| 17:59.41 | chexsum | itd be nice if it had options to turn off extra data in the format strings it uses - ie disable showing (overheal) |
| 17:59.42 | Fisker- | Not to mention the fact that reagent, item and cooldown checks are to be expected on a raid |
| 17:59.48 | sylvanaar | put the cues in - let people know what info it shares |
| 17:59.56 | Fisker- | When i open up my map do i expect that another guy can read my talent spec? |
| 17:59.56 | sylvanaar | on by default |
| 17:59.58 | Antiarc | To be honest, item checks in raid software makes sense to me! |
| 18:00.02 | *** join/#wowace zeeg (n=zeeg@adsl-76-251-95-6.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:00.03 | chexsum | having to change each one is a pain |
| 18:00.15 | sylvanaar | its private information |
| 18:00.18 | sylvanaar | like i said |
| 18:00.22 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it's a CHOICE |
| 18:00.26 | [Ammo] | you install oRA2 |
| 18:00.31 | steev64 | Towbar: thanks for the steps to enable the casting bar on t-t - for some reason i completely skipped it |
| 18:00.38 | sylvanaar | sharing private info by default? |
| 18:00.42 | [Ammo] | and it's not doing anything hidden |
| 18:00.45 | sylvanaar | i didnt choose to do that |
| 18:00.59 | sylvanaar | yes it is, unless you tell me when that info goes out |
| 18:01.14 | [Ammo] | you're trying to point the argument to me, because you lost yours |
| 18:01.19 | sylvanaar | mine is fine |
| 18:01.21 | Kalman| | Hell, talent checks in raid software make sense to me. |
| 18:01.23 | [Ammo] | or whatever the correct english is for that |
| 18:01.30 | Kalman| | Talent checks in map software do not. |
| 18:01.34 | Fisker- | Kalman| is Cartographer raid software? |
| 18:01.36 | steev64 | my talent sucks |
| 18:01.37 | Fisker- | awesome then |
| 18:01.41 | Trell_ | is Parrot seriously > SCT? |
| 18:01.46 | Fisker- | yes Trell_ |
| 18:01.49 | Kalman| | Fisker-: That was sorta my point. :D |
| 18:01.49 | [Ammo] | Trell_: yes, so is MSBT |
| 18:01.51 | chexsum | yea |
| 18:01.54 | hyperChipmunk | in this case, you've downloaded a raid-assist addon, and it provides a feature to help your raid |
| 18:01.57 | [Ammo] | SCT is a memory and CPU hog |
| 18:02.06 | sylvanaar | its talent checks in something that the most possible people will have installed |
| 18:02.08 | Towbar | omw to TK so cant wait to try it out |
| 18:02.08 | Trell_ | and can you just have damage to yourself shown? 'cos I prefer blizz fct for damage done |
| 18:02.09 | [Ammo] | hyperChipmunk: and one of those features is reagent and item checks |
| 18:02.14 | chexsum | parrot + witchunt ftw |
| 18:02.23 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it's HIDDEN talent checks in software .... |
| 18:02.27 | [Ammo] | H I D D E N |
| 18:02.27 | hyperChipmunk | your raid SHOULD have valid info on you; its success depends upon it |
| 18:02.28 | Trell_ | yeah ive been using witchhunt for about a week or so, dunno how I lived without it before :/ |
| 18:02.31 | Lukian | witchhunt and MSBT work together? |
| 18:02.33 | sylvanaar | thats called pragmatism |
| 18:02.37 | Lukian | if not, I'll just try parrot |
| 18:02.40 | [Ammo] | no it's called spyware |
| 18:02.41 | chexsum | yes |
| 18:02.44 | Fisker- | So basically you're telling us that this feature is in on purpose so that the most people would be affected by it? |
| 18:02.50 | Fisker- | That was pretty much our point to begin with |
| 18:02.50 | sylvanaar | no, its not, only if the info is private |
| 18:03.02 | Lukian | the armory makes this completely moot :p |
| 18:03.07 | sylvanaar | right |
| 18:03.09 | Fisker- | not really |
| 18:03.10 | Kalman| | Then use armory. |
| 18:03.11 | haarm | no it doesn't |
| 18:03.13 | hyperChipmunk | if it was so much demanded, then there should be no problem getting everyone to install it standalone |
| 18:03.16 | Lukian | I can look up hordes (opposing faction) in game if I want. |
| 18:03.22 | Antiarc | From an academic standpoint, it basically is spyware. It is software that piggybacks silently on another mod's reputation and/or value-add, and adds communications functionality that the user was not expecting or informed about. |
| 18:03.23 | Lukian | that should be against the rules. |
| 18:03.24 | [Ammo] | spyware falls nicely into this category |
| 18:03.25 | [Ammo] | [20:02] < Fisker-> So basically you're telling us that this feature is in on purpose so that the most people would be affected by it? |
| 18:03.29 | [Ammo] | [20:02] < Fisker-> That was pretty much our point to begin with |
| 18:03.31 | [Ammo] | thank you fisker |
| 18:03.36 | [Ammo] | you're usuaally a troll I hate |
| 18:03.37 | sylvanaar | spyware shares private information |
| 18:03.39 | CIA-12 | 03xinhuan 07WIP * r50806 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/TSP.lua: Cartographer_Routes: Updated TSP:SolveTSP() to return the original path if it is shorter than what it found. |
| 18:03.42 | Kalman| | Spyware shares information. |
| 18:03.47 | Lukian | talents are not private |
| 18:03.49 | Antiarc | No, spyware shares any information that you weren't expecting to be shared. |
| 18:03.50 | Kalman| | Doesn't matter the scope of that information. |
| 18:03.52 | [Ammo] | spyware shares information involuntarily |
| 18:03.53 | Antiarc | Privacy doesn't matter. |
| 18:03.53 | CIA-12 | 03vlorn * r50807 10Bidder_DiscordEPGP/Bidder_DiscordEPGP.toc: Bidder_DiscordEPGP: Changed version to 2.1.4 |
| 18:04.00 | [Ammo] | private or not |
| 18:04.02 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: you should be expecting it to be shared since it already is |
| 18:04.10 | Lukian | I *expect* my talents to be shared |
| 18:04.12 | Ellipsis | "the medium matters"? |
| 18:04.14 | Lukian | because they are on armory. |
| 18:04.17 | Kalman| | Yes, the medium matters. |
| 18:04.22 | sylvanaar | um, whats the point of spyware if the info isnt privte |
| 18:04.22 | [Ammo] | it's the medium |
| 18:04.38 | Antiarc | sylvanaar: It's a philosophical - not practical - distinction |
| 18:04.41 | Ellipsis | the internet is one medium |
| 18:04.41 | sylvanaar | right |
| 18:04.55 | Kalman| | The web and in-game channels are different media. |
| 18:04.58 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: medium 1 Armory, medium 2 WoW Ingame |
| 18:04.59 | Antiarc | On a practical level, I have -zero- problem with my talents being available, and being able to see others' |
| 18:05.02 | [Ammo] | distinction |
| 18:05.04 | Lukian | so you are arguing about the ethics of it? rather than it's actual use and helpfulness? |
| 18:05.06 | sylvanaar | players need to know the spec of other players, more than they need you to protect them lieing about it |
| 18:05.15 | Kalman| | Why do they need to know my spec? |
| 18:05.21 | Xinhuan | go make a forum post about it, and see how 1000 people argue :) |
| 18:05.25 | Xinhuan | about this talent thing |
| 18:05.32 | Lukian | Kalman|, so I don't invite you to a party as a healer if you are full dps spec. |
| 18:05.37 | Antiarc | On a philosophical level, I strongly disagree with talent sharing as a bundled part of RockComm when no such feature was requested, expected, disclosed, or offered. |
| 18:05.38 | sylvanaar | because they are going to group with you |
| 18:05.39 | Ellipsis | Kalman|: why do they need to be able to inspect your gear? |
| 18:05.45 | Kalman| | Ellipsis: They don't, honestly. |
| 18:05.50 | Trell_ | mmm another q; with clearfont2, I have a font that I added, and it shows fine on my main, and 1 other char; but I can't select it on any of my others, any idea why? |
| 18:05.50 | hyperChipmunk | it's absolutely an ethical issue |
| 18:05.52 | alext | i have missed out on most of this convo and the part i am going to chime in on is more addonchannel spam |
| 18:05.53 | Kalman| | But that one's Blizzard's decision, not mine. |
| 18:05.56 | Ellipsis | it indicates your play style, intelligence, and fitness for a particular situation |
| 18:06.03 | alext | theres enough crap going over hidden addon channels as it is |
| 18:06.09 | alext | now theres more and some people dont even know about it |
| 18:06.12 | cryogen | ~fail cncfanatics |
| 18:06.12 | purl | cncfanatics: Fail. |
| 18:06.16 | cncfanatics | cryogen ? |
| 18:06.18 | Antiarc | Lukian: Yes, it's an ethics thing, not a usefulness thing |
| 18:06.21 | cryogen | Message: ...erface\AddOns\FlexBar2_Keybindings\Slashcommands.lua line 27: |
| 18:06.22 | cryogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.28 | Lukian | Antiarc, how very sad |
| 18:06.31 | cncfanatics | cryogen, updated from zip ? |
| 18:06.40 | Kalman| | I agree, it's probably useful, but unless it's mandated by the game, I don't want it to be something I can't make my own choice on. |
| 18:06.41 | cryogen | let me check i got the right rev |
| 18:06.49 | hyperChipmunk | it's technical on the point that it's using the users' resources to help everyone but themselves, too |
| 18:06.49 | cncfanatics | zips only update every 20 mins |
| 18:06.51 | Fisker- | The thing is you must draw a firm line, either you are into transparency to the user, or you are into decieving the user |
| 18:06.57 | cryogen | ~fail |
| 18:06.57 | purl | ACTION gives cryogen the worst grade imaginable, an A minus... minus! |
| 18:06.58 | Lukian | Kalman|, you can, you can choose not to use the addons, or edit them. |
| 18:07.01 | cncfanatics | 50803 or newer will do cro, try /fb rev |
| 18:07.05 | cryogen | yeah im on the old one :p |
| 18:07.11 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: consider it an extra feature. people won't ask your feral druid to heal anymore! |
| 18:07.17 | Antiarc | Lukian: The point is that Kalman didn't choose to use that functionality. |
| 18:07.22 | [Ammo] | Lukian: stop. it's not in the addon. It's in the framework used by the addon. It's hidden. |
| 18:07.23 | Antiarc | It was piggybacked on functionality he did want. |
| 18:07.24 | Kalman| | Lukian: Of course. Or I can instigate public backlash against the author. Or, I can try to convince the author to move it out into a seperate addon where it belongs. |
| 18:07.24 | hyperChipmunk | then comment out the code and let them enable it if they want |
| 18:08.04 | [Ammo] | oh and ofcourse we can make a wowace post in the Rock forums about the talent share |
| 18:08.06 | sylvanaar | well, i wonder why i dont see any problem with it? maybe because its crazy useful, and i can stop using the clipboard method to get talent info |
| 18:08.10 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: by that logic, it's just on by default - people can comment out the code if they want to "disable" it |
| 18:08.10 | [Ammo] | but that would be hardly in the best interest of the community |
| 18:08.12 | hyperChipmunk | i'd like to instigate public backlash against teh author, but that's basically instigating public backlash against myself |
| 18:08.18 | *** join/#wowace Athou_ (i=Cricket_@83.101.11.175) |
| 18:08.18 | [Ammo] | telling 1000s of people what it does |
| 18:08.25 | hyperChipmunk | Ellipsis: it should be opt-in, not opt-out |
| 18:08.28 | cryogen | what are the times that the zips get updated? |
| 18:08.32 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: says who? |
| 18:08.34 | [Ammo] | 0 20 40 |
| 18:08.36 | Ailleus | ellipsis what line was supposed to be added to show talents ..in that cowtip? |
| 18:08.45 | sylvanaar | PUBLIC data is opt-out, PRIVATE is opt-in |
| 18:08.46 | Ailleus | and where, want to test that |
| 18:08.47 | hyperChipmunk | says me |
| 18:08.53 | Ellipsis | Ailleus: [TalentSpec] or [TalentTree] |
| 18:08.54 | Fisker- | heck i would be happy if it just had an opt-out |
| 18:09.03 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: add an option to disable it to rockcomm |
| 18:09.15 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: and make that option public |
| 18:09.16 | Ellipsis | [Ammo], it's already in, just comment out the lines that broadcast! |
| 18:09.16 | hyperChipmunk | yeah, it doesn't even have an opt-out |
| 18:09.20 | Hjalte | Kemayo, any progress on better Lightheaded support in Questsfu? :) |
| 18:09.22 | Antiarc | The current implementation of the talent sharing is analogous to a pork-barrel rider bill attached to a high-priority widely-accepted bill. |
| 18:09.27 | Lukian | I can't opt-out of armory.. |
| 18:09.28 | Antiarc | It isn't getting implemented on its own merits. |
| 18:09.28 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: you just said users don't know about code |
| 18:09.30 | sylvanaar | why, only people who care are able to disable it themselves |
| 18:09.34 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: hardly opt-out for users then |
| 18:09.34 | Antiarc | It's implemented on something else's merits. |
| 18:09.36 | Kalman| | Lukian: You can. It's just expensive. |
| 18:09.36 | Ellipsis | and hyperChipmunk just said they do |
| 18:09.41 | Lukian | Kalman|, lol. |
| 18:09.43 | Ellipsis | so make up your mind, which side do you want me to argue on? |
| 18:09.43 | hyperChipmunk | but you sure as heck ought to be able to opt-out of your own addons |
| 18:09.53 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: you can do whatever you want to your own addons |
| 18:10.00 | Ellipsis | nobody's forcing you to update and overwrite changes you make |
| 18:10.03 | CIA-12 | 03vlorn * r50808 10Bidder_DiscordEPGP/Bidder_DiscordEPGP.toc: Bidder_DiscordEPGP: changed Description |
| 18:10.05 | sylvanaar | http://derey.home.mindspring.com/wowscrnshot_100307_114937.jpg |
| 18:10.06 | Fisker- | Yes and everyone is technically inclined in doing so |
| 18:10.12 | sylvanaar | for those who came late |
| 18:10.17 | hyperChipmunk | no, nobody's forcing; but i speak for the people who don't even know it's happening |
| 18:10.20 | Fisker- | Not to mention what commenting it out would do |
| 18:10.26 | hyperChipmunk | they can't very well opt out if they don't realize they've been opted in |
| 18:10.29 | Fisker- | I'm thinking calls to functions that don't exist |
| 18:10.29 | Ellipsis | if they don't know it's happening, then why should they care? |
| 18:10.34 | Fisker- | i'm sure that would cause an error? |
| 18:10.35 | Ellipsis | it doesn't even affect them |
| 18:10.38 | Lukian | Why is this only an issue now? |
| 18:10.40 | hyperChipmunk | if it was SSSSSUUUUUUUUUUCHHHHH a useful feature, there would be no need to hide it |
| 18:10.45 | Lukian | It's been this way for weeks almost :p |
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| 18:10.52 | [Ammo] | Lukian: because it was added recently |
| 18:10.55 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: nobody's hiding it |
| 18:10.58 | hyperChipmunk | it would be a separate addon and it'd be #1 on all the addon sites |
| 18:10.59 | [Ammo] | and is one of the reasons for CartoAce |
| 18:11.03 | Antiarc | It's been an issue since it was first discussed months ago. |
| 18:11.04 | Ellipsis | there's just no good place to post "features of RockComm for the user" |
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| 18:11.16 | hyperChipmunk | that's not a feature for the user! |
| 18:11.18 | Ellipsis | the only people who read framework docs are devs |
| 18:11.19 | Ellipsis | yes it is |
| 18:11.23 | sylvanaar | hyperChipmunk remember "users dont care about frameworks" |
| 18:11.23 | hyperChipmunk | that's a feature for everyone BUT the user |
| 18:11.26 | Antiarc | It's a feature for -other- users. |
| 18:11.33 | Antiarc | If it was a feature for the user, it would be in its own addon. |
| 18:11.39 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: being able to receive the talent info is a feature for the user |
| 18:11.43 | Ellipsis | and sending it goes hand in hand |
| 18:11.47 | Ellipsis | similarly to Cart_GuildPos |
| 18:11.50 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it's more users should not care for the framework |
| 18:11.50 | CIA-12 | 03shadowed * r50809 10Scrooge/ (Scrooge.lua Scrooge.toc): Scrooge: Uncle Scrooge has decided he doesn't like competition anymore, so he now kills both the ability to send a talent sync request, and to response to the requests |
| 18:11.55 | cncfanatics | then make an addon that does both ? and ur there |
| 18:12.02 | hyperChipmunk | which is a separate addon/module |
| 18:12.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: and the exact same arguments have been made about that,too. |
| 18:12.08 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: Cart_GuildPos is a) transparent about what it does, and b) modularly disableable |
| 18:12.09 | sylvanaar | right, i like the feature |
| 18:12.10 | Ellipsis | hyperChipmunk: yes, but that's not the point I was making |
| 18:12.12 | hyperChipmunk | or ought to be |
| 18:12.15 | Antiarc | Neither of which applies to talent queries. |
| 18:12.18 | hyperChipmunk | if it isn't |
| 18:12.24 | sylvanaar | its the most useful thing i have seen in ages |
| 18:12.26 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: how could RockComm be more transparent? |
| 18:12.29 | [Ammo] | Antiarc: the carto core still transmits position though |
| 18:12.30 | Ellipsis | like I said, users don't read framework docs |
| 18:12.36 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: we never said it was not useful |
| 18:12.38 | Lukian | there, your issue is fixed :p |
| 18:12.38 | Fisker- | exactly |
| 18:12.42 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it's the principle of the thing |
| 18:12.43 | hyperChipmunk | it's not supposed to be transparent; that's why stuff like that shouldn't be there |
| 18:12.45 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: Move the talent queries into an external library or addon. |
| 18:12.45 | Fisker- | So put it in the rock config |
| 18:12.50 | Fisker- | that is more transparent |
| 18:13.01 | sylvanaar | no, but everything you have said would make it less so |
| 18:13.01 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: heck I think everyone here agrees talent spec should be like /inspect |
| 18:13.03 | Shadowed | Scrooge solves all problems |
| 18:13.12 | Shadowed | actually that gives me a better idea |
| 18:13.14 | Antiarc | Yes, [Ammo] |
| 18:13.20 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: it's about the ethics |
| 18:13.23 | hyperChipmunk | yeah, nobody is arguing that |
| 18:13.39 | [Ammo] | and ethically it's just WRONG |
| 18:13.41 | Antiarc | My argument from the start has been that talent queries should be in a separate addon that the user should be incentivized to download due to the promise of being able to see others' talent specs in-game in realtime. |
| 18:13.42 | Lukian | Shadowed, shall we request spec be included in the inspect dialog? :) |
| 18:13.43 | sylvanaar | no, its not about ethics |
| 18:13.43 | haarm | if you wanna get picky, the version checking shouldn't be in rockcomm either |
| 18:13.55 | Shadowed | Lukian no idea how to do that, but I'm making it soy ou can opt in and out =p |
| 18:13.56 | Shadowed | you* |
| 18:13.58 | Antiarc | Lukian: It's been requested and denied by Blizzard. |
| 18:14.11 | Hjalte | [Ammo], Tattle is fine, but RockComm is just pure evil? |
| 18:14.11 | Kalman| | Because they realize how dumb people are about talents. |
| 18:14.14 | hyperChipmunk | you're cashing a check against a community shared reputation without them consenting |
| 18:14.17 | Fisker- | The thing i'm thinking why is this feature so important that it has to stay hidden? As far as i understand both ckknight and you are denying people to edit it to be more transparent for the user |
| 18:14.20 | Shadowed | take it up with ckk if you want that thought |
| 18:14.20 | Antiarc | haarm: Version checking is an expected part of most any piece of connected software. |
| 18:14.23 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: I almost agree. I think it should be similar to GuildPos - enabled by default |
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| 18:14.38 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: I do too. I would have zero problem with it if it were its own addon, enabled by default. |
| 18:14.53 | hyperChipmunk | correct |
| 18:14.57 | Ellipsis | ah, but wait |
| 18:15.00 | Ellipsis | addon, or lib? |
| 18:15.03 | hyperChipmunk | if it didn't need to be hidden, everyone would download it |
| 18:15.05 | Ellipsis | because I think a lib is more appropriate |
| 18:15.07 | Kalman| | Addon. Definitely addon. |
| 18:15.08 | [Ammo] | ADDON |
| 18:15.09 | Antiarc | Addon. |
| 18:15.11 | [Ammo] | it's lib now |
| 18:15.13 | sylvanaar | hyperChipmunk you must be joking |
| 18:15.14 | [Ammo] | and it's corrupted |
| 18:15.15 | hyperChipmunk | they'd praise us for the great addon we've made |
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| 18:15.25 | haarm | Antiarc, the ability for anyone to check the version of any addon on any remote user? |
| 18:15.30 | hyperChipmunk | that lets everyone see their talents |
| 18:15.34 | Eggi | but then its again useless because no one would use it ... |
| 18:15.41 | hyperChipmunk | everyone would download it |
| 18:15.43 | Kalman| | Eggi: Sounds like lots of people would use it. |
| 18:15.43 | NeoTron | ~seen cryect |
| 18:15.44 | purl | cryect <n=fefsd@pool-72-95-251-159.pitbpa.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 32d 17h 43m 46s ago, saying: 'charon: it can't tell the difference between mobs of the same name (you don't get any unit id for them or anything) so he couldn't do that'. |
| 18:15.50 | hyperChipmunk | and we wouldn't have any ethical problems |
| 18:15.51 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 18:15.52 | Antiarc | haarm: That's more greyish, but version checks are directly related to software's functionality |
| 18:16.01 | Ellipsis | haarm: have you seen SpyGnome or whatever it is? |
| 18:16.09 | charon | wee, i spoke to him last, i'm almost famous \o/ |
| 18:16.13 | [Ammo] | the version pinging in AceComm and RockComm is corruption too |
| 18:16.20 | [Ammo] | who are you to check my addons |
| 18:16.20 | haarm | seen but not used Ellipsis |
| 18:16.26 | sylvanaar | its a pragmatic choice - because if you install cowtip, you'd like to use that info |
| 18:16.27 | Eggi | lots of people would like to know how the spec of someone is but sharing their own spec is often something people don't want... |
| 18:16.30 | Lukian | [Ammo], your guild master :p |
| 18:16.31 | [Ammo] | and that's private data as well |
| 18:16.42 | Antiarc | What I'd like to see is a framework in RockComm to allow for easy version queries that any addon could then implement |
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| 18:16.53 | [Ammo] | Antiarc: good suggestion |
| 18:16.54 | Antiarc | So that I could set up easy version checks for my addon with the framework. |
| 18:16.57 | CIA-12 | 03diablohu * r50810 10PallyPower/locale/zhCN.lua: |
| 18:16.57 | CIA-12 | PallyPower: |
| 18:16.57 | CIA-12 | - zhCN update |
| 18:17.00 | Antiarc | But it isn't on by default. |
| 18:17.02 | m4rku5 | [Ammo] raidleaders are to check your addons ;) if your bigwigs / threat lib is up to date ;) |
| 18:17.03 | [Ammo] | but just plain checking what addons I have installed is evil |
| 18:17.13 | Antiarc | Threatlibs make sense |
| 18:17.17 | [Ammo] | m4rku5: bigwigs and omen have their own version check |
| 18:17.20 | Antiarc | Since that data is very dependent on version |
| 18:17.27 | haarm | well according to sylvanaars rules, the version checking in rockcomm does need to be opt-in |
| 18:17.28 | [Ammo] | m4rku5: but I can check if you have 'addonX' installed |
| 18:17.29 | Antiarc | And yes, they have their own version checks implemented. |
| 18:17.33 | Ellipsis | any addon/lib that depends on syncing makes sense to have that, Threat being the top of the list |
| 18:17.37 | haarm | it is afterall, private data |
| 18:17.37 | [Ammo] | haarm: it does |
| 18:17.39 | Towbar | parrot seems nice |
| 18:17.41 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 18:17.42 | Towbar | very nice |
| 18:17.50 | [Ammo] | Towbar: it has sweet animations etc |
| 18:17.58 | m4rku5 | hrm [Ammo] hmm ok thats not very nice if everyone can check that |
| 18:18.00 | sylvanaar | i dont have any issue with opt-in version checks |
| 18:18.15 | [Ammo] | opt-in talent checks is the same |
| 18:18.18 | sylvanaar | no |
| 18:18.24 | sylvanaar | its public info |
| 18:18.50 | haarm | sylvanaar, there's version check code in rockcomm that isn't opt-in |
| 18:18.52 | sylvanaar | thats opt-out, and to top it off, should respond (opt out) |
| 18:19.10 | sylvanaar | haarm so, i didnt opt-in to any existing version check |
| 18:19.10 | haarm | above the talent responder |
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| 18:19.24 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: same way I didn't ask for talent check |
| 18:19.25 | Saroz | what cooldown timer mod do people use? |
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| 18:19.34 | [Ammo] | Saroz: omniCC |
| 18:19.44 | xyu | omniCC here as well |
| 18:19.46 | sylvanaar | i didnt ask for my character info to be put on a web site eitehr |
| 18:19.51 | Kalman| | Saroz: Hourglass. |
| 18:19.51 | Gngsk | I use both Hourglass and OmniCC |
| 18:19.54 | Saroz | I mean bars, like.. ye |
| 18:20.03 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: did you sign the EULA etc? |
| 18:20.04 | xyu | i use quartz |
| 18:20.05 | Ellipsis | once information is out, it's out |
| 18:20.08 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: I bet you did accept it |
| 18:20.14 | sylvanaar | oh gimme a break |
| 18:20.17 | [Ammo] | sylvanaar: you opted in |
| 18:20.21 | [Ammo] | did you click ok? |
| 18:20.23 | Ellipsis | once the armory came to exist, I no longer considered my talents to be any more private than the gear I wear in the middle of IF. |
| 18:20.23 | [Ammo] | at the bottom? |
| 18:20.38 | [Ammo] | you did |
| 18:20.41 | sylvanaar | well, then everyone opted into everything |
| 18:20.44 | [Ammo] | no |
| 18:20.51 | [Ammo] | I can play without addons |
| 18:20.56 | [Ammo] | I can play with selected addons |
| 18:20.58 | Kalman| | Ellipsis: Again, there are ways to obfuscate talents, even with Armory. |
| 18:21.09 | Kalman| | It requires substantial time and money, but it is possible. |
| 18:21.09 | sylvanaar | yeah, lol and i can still see your spec |
| 18:21.33 | Ellipsis | Kalman|: and the moment your server disconnects you, all that work is for naught. |
| 18:21.51 | Kalman| | Ellipsis: Armory updates aren't instant, and it's pretty easy to log back in, zero out, log out, log in, spec. |
| 18:21.55 | Kalman| | Like I said: time and money. |
| 18:22.08 | Kalman| | Armory doesn't show my current talentset. Rock does. |
| 18:22.11 | cncfanatics | anyone actualy does that ? |
| 18:22.18 | Eggi | so you respec only to show people something that you don't have o0 |
| 18:22.19 | sylvanaar | Kalman| THAT is unethical |
| 18:22.21 | Kalman| | cncfanatics: Some of the arena teams were doing it prior to the tourney. |
| 18:22.34 | cncfanatics | doesnt work in area |
| 18:22.37 | cncfanatics | its disabled there |
| 18:23.00 | Kalman| | Think we're talking at cross-purposes, cnc. I was referring to never logging out in the spec you don't want to show. |
| 18:23.01 | cncfanatics | cryogen, drd works perfectly fine here |
| 18:23.03 | Ellipsis | if the situatiion is really that dire for you Kalman|, then next patch will be the end of your world |
| 18:23.04 | haarm | seriously, all that needs to happen is... talent + version shit gets taken out and put in an addon called something like CommHelpser, which appears in the rockconfig, with a couple of checkboxes like "allow remote version checks", and "allow remote talent checks"... you keep your functionality, and everyone is happy |
| 18:23.19 | CIA-12 | 03pettigrow * r50811 10BigWigs/ (4 files in 4 dirs): BigWigs: frFR Update |
| 18:23.23 | Ellipsis | because seeing hostile player buffs will at least partially reveal specs 99% of the time |
| 18:23.30 | Fisker- | oh but people can turn it off haarm |
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| 18:23.40 | Fisker- | which judging from the responses isn't something that's supposed to happen |
| 18:23.53 | Ellipsis | Fisker-, nobody's stopping anyone from turning it off |
| 18:24.04 | Ellipsis | there's just no easy way to do that now because ZOMG LIB SVS ARE EVOL!!!!111oneone |
| 18:24.21 | Fisker- | there never was an easy way |
| 18:26.20 | Kalman| | Ellipsis: It isn't. I don't play in that world. |
| 18:26.37 | Kalman| | But I fully support other people being able to. |
| 18:26.47 | Ellipsis | Blizz clearly doesn't |
| 18:26.59 | Kalman| | It's allowable within their system. |
| 18:27.02 | Fisker- | But i guess Microsoft should hire you Ellipsis |
| 18:27.06 | Ellipsis | lol? |
| 18:27.06 | Fisker- | As their lawyer |
| 18:27.19 | Ellipsis | I'm the last person in the world to be arguing for stuff like this |
| 18:27.23 | Kalman| | Then stop arguing for it. |
| 18:27.27 | Fisker- | I'm sure that they'll win the appeal case on the anti-trust case by saying that users can just remove it themselves |
| 18:27.30 | Fisker- | They just have to hack it out |
| 18:27.33 | Fisker- | no problem. |
| 18:27.33 | TiGGaH | asking this again if someone knows: is there a way to increase refresh rate on Grid bars? |
| 18:28.05 | Ellipsis | Fisker-, that's a bit different |
| 18:28.11 | Ellipsis | MS code isn't GPL for the most part :P |
| 18:28.29 | Fisker- | neither is rock |
| 18:28.43 | Fisker- | But what does that matter? |
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| 18:28.52 | Ellipsis | ## X-License: LGPL v2.1 |
| 18:28.54 | Ellipsis | say what now? |
| 18:28.58 | Fisker- | Yup |
| 18:29.03 | Fisker- | you notice that there are 2 L's not 1 |
| 18:29.08 | Ellipsis | yes I know |
| 18:29.16 | Fisker- | contrary to popular belief those 2 licenses are very different |
| 18:29.18 | Ellipsis | but my point stands, MS code is not open source |
| 18:29.26 | Fisker- | no it doesn't |
| 18:29.30 | Fisker- | cause i could be talking about Linux |
| 18:29.33 | Fisker- | It doesn't really |
| 18:29.35 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.53 | Fisker- | You expect the end-user to wade around thousand lines of code to fix something that shouldn't have been there to begin with |
| 18:29.58 | cryogen | cncfanatics: fine, i reenable it :p |
| 18:30.07 | cncfanatics | cryogen :) |
| 18:30.21 | cryogen | trying to get to level 10 damnit :D |
| 18:30.22 | cryogen | 4 atm! |
| 18:30.23 | Ellipsis | Fisker-: since when was there an anti-trust case involving linux? |
| 18:30.39 | Fisker- | Linux doesn't generally generate money |
| 18:30.47 | Ellipsis | and I expect the end-user to take the necessary steps to acheive whatever level of privacy they want |
| 18:30.49 | Fisker- | pretty hard to say they're having a monopoly without actually having one |
| 18:30.58 | Ellipsis | if they want privacy on the interwebs, I fully support them disabling cookies etc. |
| 18:31.01 | cryogen | cncfanatics: Message: ..\AddOns\DrDamage\DrDamage.lua line 206: |
| 18:31.02 | cryogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.15 | Ellipsis | but I don't support browsers removing the option to have cookies work without installing additional software |
| 18:31.15 | Fisker- | Ellipsis which again is different from being unable to turn cookies off |
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| 18:31.22 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50812 10FlexBar2/Keybindings/Keybindings.lua: FlexBar2: Fixed a bug where having the same binding on multiple profiles would remove it on one of the two |
| 18:31.32 | Fisker- | What you're saying is that you expect people to recode the browser to not support cookies |
| 18:31.36 | cncfanatics | cryogen, did u update drd recently ? |
| 18:31.37 | Fisker- | Given the browser is open source |
| 18:31.48 | Ellipsis | Fisker-: no, not really |
| 18:31.50 | cncfanatics | line 206 is infinibar stuff |
| 18:31.50 | cryogen | cncfanatics: its up to date as of 30 mins ago |
| 18:31.51 | Fisker- | Yes, really. |
| 18:32.01 | cncfanatics | hmmm, line 206 looks like infinibar stuff to me |
| 18:32.04 | cncfanatics | and I'm up to date |
| 18:32.05 | Ellipsis | I support adding an option to Rock that allows users to opt-out of the talent broadcast |
| 18:32.12 | Ellipsis | just as most browsers have a cookie opt-out |
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| 18:32.54 | cncfanatics | cryogen, can u check that line of code and tell me whats at it ? |
| 18:32.57 | cncfanatics | in Drd ofc |
| 18:32.58 | cryogen | if IsAddOnLoaded( "FlexBar2" ) then |
| 18:32.59 | cryogen | FlexBar2:GetModule("TextSubs"):RegisterTextSub("drd", |
| 18:33.06 | cryogen | one step ahead of you :) |
| 18:33.08 | cncfanatics | hmmm, ok, I got to commit this |
| 18:33.15 | cncfanatics | I forgot to commit my preemptive fix I did ages ago |
| 18:33.19 | cryogen | hehe |
| 18:33.25 | CIA-12 | 03vlorn * r50813 10DKPMon_EPGPCSV/ (8 files): DKPMon_EPGPCSV: Initial Upload |
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| 18:33.33 | cryogen | ~fail cncfanatics |
| 18:33.34 | purl | cncfanatics: Fail. |
| 18:34.00 | Fisker- | ~fail cncfanatics |
| 18:34.01 | purl | cncfanatics: Fail. |
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| 18:34.36 | munsa | Is there anybody who knows what's wrong with the 'playsoundfile' function? |
| 18:34.37 | CIA-12 | 03cncfanatics * r50814 10DrDamage/DrDamage.lua: DrDamage: Fix a bug when the TextSubs module of flexbar is running standalone |
| 18:34.38 | cncfanatics | there you go |
| 18:35.12 | cryogen | ta |
| 18:35.24 | haarm | did they finally fix playsound? :D |
| 18:35.31 | cryogen | did you manage to convince anyone else to reroll yet? |
| 18:35.32 | _rane | anyone know how to get Grid display mana bars? |
| 18:35.43 | cncfanatics | cryogen, nope :p |
| 18:35.46 | cncfanatics | cryogen, hurry to catch up |
| 18:35.49 | cncfanatics | kinda waiting for ya |
| 18:35.52 | munsa | haarm / I think it still doesn't work |
| 18:35.53 | cncfanatics | and now i'm going to grab dinner |
| 18:35.55 | Polarina | haarm: Of course they didn't. You know it is working as intended, like everything else... |
| 18:35.56 | Punkie` | install gridmanabars |
| 18:35.58 | cryogen | yeah, trying :p |
| 18:36.02 | kadrahil | ~seen Cryec |
| 18:36.04 | purl | i haven't seen 'cryec', kadrahil |
| 18:36.04 | kadrahil | ~seen Cryect |
| 18:36.05 | purl | cryect <n=fefsd@pool-72-95-251-159.pitbpa.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 32d 18h 4m 7s ago, saying: 'charon: it can't tell the difference between mobs of the same name (you don't get any unit id for them or anything) so he couldn't do that'. |
| 18:36.05 | cryogen | level 10 tonight at least! |
| 18:36.07 | _rane | Punkie`: where do i get it? |
| 18:36.14 | Punkie` | the same place you got grid? |
| 18:36.18 | Punkie` | files.wowace.com |
| 18:36.33 | _rane | i guess i didn't notice it then last time i checked |
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| 18:40.55 | Towbar | parrot is now promoted to awesome |
| 18:41.00 | Towbar | gj whoever made it |
| 18:41.03 | [Ammo] | ckk |
| 18:41.23 | Towbar | :) |
| 18:42.22 | Towbar | only 4 non ace addons now |
| 18:42.31 | Fisker- | Parrot is Rock :o |
| 18:42.39 | [Ammo] | what fisker says :) |
| 18:42.46 | Towbar | auctioneer, poison pouch, ATSW and atlas |
| 18:42.47 | [Ammo] | maybe y9ou should say non wowace addons :) |
| 18:42.55 | [Ammo] | which leaves 3 |
| 18:43.22 | Towbar | the bandwidth requirements for atlas would be huge |
| 18:43.28 | Towbar | if it was on teh updater |
| 18:43.49 | Fisker- | it is |
| 18:43.54 | Towbar | atlas loot is |
| 18:43.57 | Towbar | atlas is not |
| 18:43.58 | Trell_ | parrot is sexy :X |
| 18:44.04 | Fisker- | well only atlasloot yeah |
| 18:44.05 | Fisker- | :( |
| 18:44.06 | Trell_ | much sexier than sct :X |
| 18:44.10 | Necrathex | why atlasloot and not carto? |
| 18:44.13 | Towbar | yea its very nice |
| 18:44.18 | Towbar | loving teh parabola effect |
| 18:44.31 | Towbar | using it for in & out with norm and stickys |
| 18:45.02 | CIA-12 | 03shadowed * r50815 10Scrooge/ (Scrooge.lua Scrooge.toc): |
| 18:45.02 | CIA-12 | Scrooge: |
| 18:45.02 | CIA-12 | * Added /scrooge (just type /scrooge for available commands) slash command, restart required due to a SV being added |
| 18:45.02 | CIA-12 | * Added killing of Rock and Ace2 ping requests and responses |
| 18:45.02 | CIA-12 | * Added ability to toggle both ping and talent syncing on and off |
| 18:45.07 | Shadowed | fyi, those only apply to the LibStub versions, too lazy to sort out how AceLibrary works |
| 18:45.53 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 18:46.02 | Xinhuan | so Scrooge can now kill Talent sharing? |
| 18:46.07 | Shadowed | yea |
| 18:46.20 | Shadowed | well it could already do that in the last version, you can just choose if you want to enable or disable it now |
| 18:46.49 | Mudkips | is there anyway to modify the background color of lost health & mana in pitbull to transparent? |
| 18:49.13 | hyperChipmunk | Shadowed: can you add an option to reply, "MIN' YER OWN BIZ'NISS" to said requests? |
| 18:49.23 | Shadowed | rofl |
| 18:49.37 | Shadowed | I think they validate and check for numbers |
| 18:49.42 | hyperChipmunk | weak |
| 18:49.50 | hyperChipmunk | can you trigger a /whisper to them maybe? |
| 18:49.52 | Shadowed | you're welcome to change it if you want thought and commit it |
| 18:50.00 | Shadowed | i'd have to actually sort through the code to do that! |
| 18:50.09 | hyperChipmunk | oh, well forget it then |
| 18:50.14 | Shadowed | if you want to change it to that, you're more then welcome to commit it =p |
| 18:50.24 | Fisker- | hehe hyperChipmunk >D |
| 18:50.25 | Fisker- | :D |
| 18:50.26 | hyperChipmunk | no, see, then i'd have to sort through the code |
| 18:50.29 | Shadowed | lol |
| 18:50.54 | Shadowed | that wouldn't be that hard probably |
| 18:51.08 | Shadowed | instead of changing PING to blank, you change it to send a whisper to the author and then kill it |
| 18:51.24 | Shadowed | i'll do it otnight |
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| 18:52.41 | hyperChipmunk | maybe somehow make it throw a fireball at them too |
| 18:52.46 | Fisker- | hyperChipmunk infact it would be great if we had that logout switch like in DBM |
| 18:52.53 | Fisker- | and any talentqueries would disconnect them |
| 18:52.54 | Fisker- | :D |
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| 18:53.28 | Shadowed | lol |
| 18:53.29 | hyperChipmunk | *mouseover* |
| 18:53.34 | hyperChipmunk | *receive fireball in face* |
| 18:53.42 | hyperChipmunk | MIN' YER OWN BIZ'NISS! |
| 18:54.07 | CIA-12 | 03xinhuan 07WIP * r50816 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/ (Core.lua TSP.lua): Cartographer_Routes: Add more return values to TSP:SolveTSP() and move the message printing out to Core.lua instead |
| 18:54.27 | hyperChipmunk | "Wut? I just was wonderi--" |
| 18:54.32 | hyperChipmunk | *fireball to face* |
| 18:54.36 | hyperChipmunk | MIN' YER OWN BIZ'NISS! |
| 18:54.57 | Towbar | so does cartographer pull the drop data from atlast loot enhanced? |
| 18:55.11 | Towbar | atlas |
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| 18:55.20 | Xinhuan | no |
| 18:55.52 | Towbar | where does it get boss drop data drop? |
| 18:56.01 | durcyn | PeriodicTable |
| 18:56.05 | hyperChipmunk | PT |
| 18:56.07 | CIA-12 | 03shadowed * r50817 10Scrooge/Scrooge.toc: Scrooge: Updated mod description |
| 18:56.13 | Towbar | built in? |
| 18:56.18 | CIA-12 | 03kameril * r50818 10VisualThemes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:56.18 | CIA-12 | VisualThemes: |
| 18:56.18 | CIA-12 | -Re-added support for Blizzard dropdowns, now without the taint! |
| 18:56.18 | CIA-12 | -Increased visual quality of Dewdrop theming. |
| 18:56.18 | CIA-12 | -Avoid creating unnecessary closures in the GUI. |
| 18:56.19 | hyperChipmunk | embedded |
| 18:56.37 | Towbar | hmm |
| 18:56.56 | Towbar | anyway to get a list of bosses the same way atlas does without having to click on a boss to bring up the loot table? |
| 18:57.15 | Xinhuan | no. |
| 18:57.16 | deltron | wowhead.com ? |
| 18:57.18 | hyperChipmunk | ptbrowser |
| 18:57.25 | Towbar | i mean to select the loot table |
| 18:57.42 | Ailleus | whats the colorcoding in cowtip? |
| 18:57.42 | Towbar | not click a boss on the map |
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| 18:58.03 | sag_ich_nicht | okay. |
| 18:58.07 | sag_ich_nicht | voicechat addon |
| 18:58.08 | sag_ich_nicht | now. |
| 18:58.09 | sag_ich_nicht | gieb. |
| 18:58.22 | Xinhuan | the ingame voice chat is terrible |
| 18:58.30 | Xinhuan | in terms of quality that is |
| 18:58.38 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 18:58.38 | Xinhuan | everyone sounds so computerized |
| 18:58.50 | sag_ich_nicht | blizzard needs to get a fucking speex license |
| 18:58.52 | Xinhuan | and you can't play music over it |
| 18:58.59 | sag_ich_nicht | and utilize it |
| 18:59.02 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe you can't |
| 18:59.03 | sag_ich_nicht | i can |
| 18:59.03 | sag_ich_nicht | :X |
| 18:59.05 | Ailleus | or rather can you use azure or orange, or smth like that in cowtip's editbox? |
| 18:59.33 | Fisker- | Added in 2.3: |
| 18:59.33 | Fisker- | EditBox:SetCursorPosition(position) |
| 18:59.33 | Fisker- | position = EditBox:GetCursorPosition() |
| 18:59.33 | Fisker- | :D? |
| 18:59.43 | Fisker- | Xinhuan everyone sounds so mute |
| 18:59.55 | Fisker- | i pushed my mic to the max and you could only JUST hear some whispering |
| 18:59.59 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 19:00.00 | xyu | everyone is a mute |
| 19:00.06 | Xinhuan | blizz acknowledged the issue |
| 19:00.12 | Xinhuan | of low volume |
| 19:00.15 | Xinhuan | in a post |
| 19:00.21 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 19:00.26 | sag_ich_nicht | the volume is fucking way too low |
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| 19:00.57 | the-golem | funny |
| 19:01.02 | the-golem | my volume was fine |
| 19:01.03 | the-golem | *shrug* |
| 19:01.13 | xyu | the way my guild does it , is set a voice channel, turn the WoW voice volume to 0, set the keybindings the same as your vent, and that way you can tell who's talking and get the lowered volume |
| 19:01.14 | xyu | when someone speaks |
| 19:01.19 | xyu | but at high quality vent style |
| 19:01.47 | Ellipsis | you can't always do that though :/ |
| 19:01.53 | Ellipsis | some keybindings don't work properly in one or the other |
| 19:02.30 | xyu | well if you refuse to change, that's fine. we just wont know who's talking for you, but if a majority use it during a raid |
| 19:02.31 | xyu | it's helpfull |
| 19:02.52 | Ellipsis | well, I'm just saying |
| 19:02.58 | xyu | i have yet to find a keybinding that doesn't work in both |
| 19:02.58 | xyu | tho |
| 19:03.07 | erb | i dunno why people were getting worked up about voice chat |
| 19:03.09 | erb | just dont enable it |
| 19:03.13 | Ellipsis | I have trouble finding one that works for both |
| 19:03.14 | erb | seems easy enough |
| 19:03.22 | xyu | I think they want it to work though |
| 19:03.28 | Paene | there's a ventrilo overlay |
| 19:03.37 | xyu | Paene, yes but everyone must have it installed |
| 19:03.39 | erb | i've never been able to use the ventrillo overlay successfully |
| 19:03.42 | xyu | and it doens't lower the volume of ingame |
| 19:03.53 | kaiden | hrm, i wonder how hard it would be to make a cyCircled for the item slots in say OneBag |
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| 19:04.04 | cncfanatics | kaiden, prolly easy |
| 19:04.05 | Paene | no xyu, the one I used to use was an external program |
| 19:04.05 | Ellipsis | well there's one for Buffalo, probably not that hard :/ |
| 19:04.09 | Paene | pretty sure blizz allows it |
| 19:04.11 | xyu | ah |
| 19:04.12 | cncfanatics | kaiden, cyCircled is quite easy to mod, if ur addon is generic |
| 19:04.18 | xyu | i haven't heard of that, sounds useful though |
| 19:04.25 | Paene | lemme see if I can find it |
| 19:04.36 | Ellipsis | there are various programs for doing that |
| 19:04.43 | Xinhuan | i find that if i set the same keybinding to WoW vent, Ventrilo, and Teamspeak and even Winamp to perform some action |
| 19:04.47 | Xinhuan | all 4 programs are able to perform it |
| 19:04.50 | Xinhuan | with 1 keypress |
| 19:04.50 | Ellipsis | you can do it with Xfire's voice chat thing too (if anyone ever uses that) |
| 19:04.52 | kaiden | i know i figured it would be awesome to have it change the layout of the onebag item slots so you could see the items better and see the colored borders better |
| 19:05.02 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:03] <Ellipsis> I have trouble finding one that works for both <--middle mouse button imho |
| 19:05.04 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: that works sometimes |
| 19:05.07 | Xinhuan | and yes, it means both vent, wow and teamspeak is recording and transmitting |
| 19:05.08 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: that's bound to my AE's |
| 19:05.11 | Kalman| | sag_ich_nicht: ~ |
| 19:05.14 | Ellipsis | wouldn't do well to try to talk and hellfire myself to death |
| 19:05.18 | Xinhuan | dunno, it works for me all the time ;p |
| 19:05.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: so rebind them. |
| 19:05.24 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 19:05.40 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: at least in vent, there's an option to enable/disable passing the keypress through |
| 19:05.44 | Ellipsis | so that multiple programs can use it |
| 19:05.47 | xyu | i find that rebinding push-to-talk is easier to overcome than a new spell keybinding |
| 19:05.56 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 19:06.10 | Ellipsis | unfortunately, mouse4/mouse5 don't work in vent when I have WoW on top |
| 19:06.11 | Paene | http://www.voice-overlay.info.ms/ |
| 19:06.16 | Xinhuan | wow's push to talk is global by the way |
| 19:06.16 | erb | netharea was saying how she didn't enjoy listening to someone breath during an entire recent AV on voice chat |
| 19:06.17 | Ellipsis | and those are my usual vent keys |
| 19:06.21 | erb | they should make PTT the default |
| 19:06.23 | Paene | it's old though |
| 19:06.23 | xyu | thanks paene, i'll give it a shot. |
| 19:06.38 | Xinhuan | this means even if you alt-tab out of WoW, if you have sound enabled outside wow (i.e can hear wow when alt-tabbed), your wow PTT key will still work |
| 19:06.48 | Paene | xyu: double check the EULA and make sure it's allowed first |
| 19:06.55 | Paene | don't want you to get banned :) |
| 19:06.57 | xyu | it doesn't REALLY matter to me cuz i'm runnging dual monitors, however, Vent has this nasty habbit of somehow automatically scrolling down the vent list by itself. So annoying. |
| 19:07.12 | Ellipsis | make it bigger then xyu o.O |
| 19:07.23 | Fisker- | that's what she said looololol |
| 19:07.25 | xyu | i know but my vent is dumb, and has 2306720672607 channels |
| 19:07.26 | kaiden | For any Vista users out there: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/941649 |
| 19:07.29 | xyu | like OMGLOBBY400 |
| 19:07.33 | kaiden | microsoft released a performance update for vista yesterday |
| 19:07.41 | Fisker- | fucking awesome |
| 19:07.41 | kaiden | that improves the "compatibility, reliability, and stability" |
| 19:07.46 | DrWily | was it called windows XP? |
| 19:07.50 | xyu | lol |
| 19:07.53 | Ellipsis | I have yet to come across a vent server I cuoldn't fit on my screen :P |
| 19:07.53 | Loonacy | How can you update something that doesn't exist? |
| 19:07.54 | Fisker- | will be good when i install vista tomorrow |
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| 19:08.26 | erb | ellipsis: the penny arcane alliance raids on the dark iron server |
| 19:08.30 | erb | multiple guilds |
| 19:08.35 | erb | probably a thousand or so people |
| 19:08.35 | erb | lol |
| 19:08.37 | Ellipsis | fits on my screen |
| 19:08.40 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 19:08.42 | erb | oh =0 |
| 19:09.08 | Xinhuan | my vent server can't fit on my screen if there's 50 people online at the same time, in about 20 different channels (so about 70 lines) |
| 19:09.11 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 19:09.16 | Ellipsis | change your windows fonts then ;D |
| 19:09.18 | erb | i just leave vent minimized in teh back ground |
| 19:11.45 | xyu | i just got into a new guild so i dont know anyone's voice |
| 19:12.03 | xyu | and they're always like "mages stand over here" |
| 19:14.37 | erb | yah half the time i dont know who people are either but they assign icons like |
| 19:14.41 | erb | "hunters go to the yellow star" |
| 19:14.42 | erb | or whatwever |
| 19:15.01 | Mudkips | penny arcade alliance are scummy bastards |
| 19:15.05 | Xinhuan | you haven't been in your guild long enough if you don't recognize the voice of everyone in your guild ;p |
| 19:15.16 | Ellipsis | indeed |
| 19:15.23 | Ellipsis | unfortunately some of us are in that position Xinhuan :P |
| 19:15.25 | erb | xin: just since july |
| 19:15.30 | xyu | i was in a guild for a while on my other server and we had 2 rogues that sounded EXACTLY the same. |
| 19:15.32 | erb | i was in my prior guild for over a year |
| 19:15.35 | erb | but they died |
| 19:15.37 | aestil | I recently enjoyed a coffee beverage. |
| 19:15.40 | aestil | it was delicious |
| 19:15.43 | Xinhuan | 2 months is about sufficient to recognize everyone |
| 19:15.45 | Ellipsis | aestil: I is jealous. =[ |
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| 19:15.50 | erb | xin: not for a pot head like me |
| 19:15.53 | aestil | yes, i know you are Ellipsis |
| 19:16.01 | Xinhuan | erb: turn up thevent volume then |
| 19:16.02 | erb | i dunno if i've ever raided non drunk or high |
| 19:16.02 | erb | =0 |
| 19:16.13 | aestil | am i the only person i the world to have a script, calling the function, to resize my grid eePanels when I want them to? |
| 19:16.17 | erb | well its not really important for me to know who is talking |
| 19:16.22 | erb | im not important, just a hunter |
| 19:16.22 | Ellipsis | no aestil |
| 19:16.28 | Xinhuan | sometimes it is important |
| 19:16.31 | aestil | set as a macro, and put on my action bars? |
| 19:16.36 | Ellipsis | erb: lol why use vent at all, just autoshot and /afk |
| 19:16.48 | Xinhuan | "innervate me please" -- you know which druid talked and won't have to ask who it is |
| 19:16.49 | xyu | besides Cartographer are there any other "essential" herbalism addons? |
| 19:16.53 | erb | ellipsis: funny! |
| 19:16.53 | Ellipsis | aestil: I did it for a while, got sick of it, dropped eePanels :P |
| 19:17.07 | erb | it takes work to dps as a hunter successfully :) |
| 19:17.09 | aestil | there is no replacement for eePanels. |
| 19:17.14 | Ellipsis | you're right |
| 19:17.19 | Ellipsis | which is why I didn't replace it =] |
| 19:17.25 | charon | Antiarc: [2007/10/03 21:15:26-450-x1]: ...s\Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\ThreatMobNameTranslation.lua:149: Conflicting translation for Underbog Colossus in deDE: old is "Tiefensumpfkoloss", new is "Kolosswüter". Please report to Antiarc.: |
| 19:17.27 | Mudkips | steady shot steady shot |
| 19:17.35 | Mudkips | press hunter macro for auto shot timing |
| 19:17.52 | Antiarc | charon: Bah :( |
| 19:18.05 | Antiarc | Are you sure everyone in your raid isn't running some stupidly old version? |
| 19:18.08 | charon | former is correct, latter is from the pack of 10+ adds that sometimes spawns |
| 19:18.12 | charon | lemme check |
| 19:18.51 | charon | oldest i can see is 48945 |
| 19:18.59 | erb | <Mudkips> steady shot steady shot |
| 19:18.59 | erb | <Mudkips> press hunter macro for auto shot timing |
| 19:19.06 | erb | if its that easy why do so many hunters suck? |
| 19:19.24 | Megalon | erb: because they are not even cappable of such things? |
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| 19:19.43 | xyu | because hunters and pallies are played by 6 year olds |
| 19:19.44 | erb | right |
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| 19:19.50 | Mudkips | lol |
| 19:19.52 | erb | sounds like excuses from people getting beat by hunters imo |
| 19:19.53 | cncfanatics | hmm, did blizzard mess with /cast Attack ? |
| 19:19.57 | Mudkips | im just yanking your chain |
| 19:20.08 | cncfanatics | cant seem to start autoattack anymore from fb or with /cast |
| 19:20.11 | Mudkips | and the only way I lose to a hunter is extreme faggotry |
| 19:20.22 | Mudkips | ie. trap, put pet on you, drink |
| 19:20.26 | Mudkips | redo/repeat |
| 19:21.29 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: there's a known issue |
| 19:21.40 | Ellipsis | involving the first ability in your spellbook not being usable with /cast |
| 19:21.46 | Ellipsis | so for Alchemist that's first |
| 19:21.46 | cncfanatics | nice, it also blocks out flexbar |
| 19:21.56 | cncfanatics | also blocks flexbar, as I use spellbuttons |
| 19:21.57 | cncfanatics | not handy |
| 19:21.58 | futurekill | anyone know where I can get the data miner for Cartographer? In the latest change log ammo mentions something about someone running "the miner"... |
| 19:21.59 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 19:22.26 | Ellipsis | go bug Blizz about it! |
| 19:22.36 | Hjalte | futurekill, just get Cartographer_Data? |
| 19:22.41 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, source ? |
| 19:23.24 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8700.msg144985#msg144985 |
| 19:23.26 | futurekill | Hjalte: I have that but I thought that was just external data for use with Cartographer not a module to actually collect data |
| 19:23.28 | Ellipsis | not sure originally |
| 19:23.44 | Ellipsis | but I have heard that a few other places |
| 19:23.55 | Hjalte | futurekill, it's not, but you don't want to collect data yourself by running a dataminer. |
| 19:24.10 | Trell_ | am i being totally dumb here? parrot keeps telling me [Elemental Combat Tree Ready!] |
| 19:24.13 | Trell_ | wth is that |
| 19:24.26 | futurekill | Hjalte: I figured I could help out a bit |
| 19:24.39 | cncfanatics | Trell_, u got counterspelled ? |
| 19:24.46 | Hjalte | futurekill, i think ominous is running it, you can ask him if he wants help :) |
| 19:25.00 | Trell_ | no |
| 19:25.02 | Trell_ | soloing |
| 19:25.06 | Trell_ | actually, is it my shocks? |
| 19:25.09 | futurekill | kk |
| 19:25.14 | cncfanatics | could be |
| 19:25.35 | Trell_ | it is |
| 19:25.35 | Ellipsis | yeah Trell_ that's a known issue |
| 19:25.47 | cncfanatics | so ez to fix |
| 19:25.48 | Ellipsis | happens with anything that gives you a cooldown on multiple spells I think |
| 19:26.11 | cncfanatics | its ment for counterspell right |
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| 19:26.34 | cncfanatics | if so, just check for the you have been interrupted clog message for activating that counter |
| 19:26.56 | cncfanatics | instead of having it activate whenever multiple spells go on a cd bigger then 1.5 (thats what he does right ?) |
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| 19:28.18 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: there's supposed to be code to override that handling for linked cooldowns like shocks |
| 19:28.21 | BlackVelvet | lol |
| 19:28.26 | Ellipsis | but it's known to be kinda broken atm |
| 19:28.33 | BlackVelvet | How come, everyone is whining about the brewfest prices? |
| 19:28.40 | Trell_ | prices? |
| 19:28.46 | BlackVelvet | yes, the cost of the items |
| 19:28.49 | BlackVelvet | its "too expensive" |
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| 19:28.54 | Trell_ | is it hell |
| 19:28.57 | BlackVelvet | No |
| 19:28.59 | cncfanatics | poor souls, they'll have to do something for their prices ? |
| 19:29.00 | BlackVelvet | i got goggles and mount |
| 19:29.02 | Trell_ | you could get the mount in about 5 days |
| 19:29.09 | Xinhuan | rofl 5 days |
| 19:29.10 | BlackVelvet | in 6 hours |
| 19:29.20 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, why not do it the way I said ? |
| 19:29.21 | BlackVelvet | You can get it in 1/4 day |
| 19:29.22 | Trell_ | or at least you could if all the EU quests werent bugged to hell and don't actually let you do them |
| 19:29.29 | Trell_ | wth, how, thought they were all daily quests |
| 19:29.36 | Trell_ | not that I can do 3 of them |
| 19:29.37 | BlackVelvet | Nop |
| 19:29.39 | cncfanatics | searching for a you have been interrupted in the clog instead of using event ? |
| 19:29.46 | Trell_ | thanks to blizz screwing eu brewfest :( |
| 19:29.47 | BlackVelvet | Do all the quests + dwarves |
| 19:29.57 | Towbar | anyone got the pally trinket form alar? |
| 19:30.01 | BlackVelvet | just come back every hour for the dwarves =) |
| 19:30.07 | Trell_ | ah yes, you get 1 ticket per dwarf, right? |
| 19:30.12 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: because shock cooldowns aren't interrupts? |
| 19:30.59 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, they shouldnt be on there either should they ? |
| 19:31.18 | cncfanatics | think that code is ment to handle counterspell recovery |
| 19:31.38 | Ellipsis | yeah, the code that triggers those messages was a mistake |
| 19:31.49 | Ellipsis | since counterspell is school-based rather than tree-based |
| 19:31.53 | cncfanatics | then why would my solution not work ? |
| 19:31.59 | aestil | my wife bought her epic mount, i still have the slow flyer. |
| 19:31.59 | Ellipsis | it would for counterspells |
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| 19:32.14 | cncfanatics | thats the whole point, it should only work for counterspells, shocks & stuff shld be handled differenrlty |
| 19:32.21 | Ellipsis | aestil: I know the feeling =[ |
| 19:32.40 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics: it is |
| 19:32.54 | Ellipsis | there is code for linking shocks and stuff but it doesn't get triggered properly right now |
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| 19:33.00 | Ellipsis | which is my point :P |
| 19:34.08 | aestil | i go to nap now. |
| 19:34.11 | aestil | did talented get fixed? |
| 19:34.18 | Ellipsis | fixed how? |
| 19:34.21 | aestil | so that it actually opens when you press N? |
| 19:34.28 | aestil | last night I just got errors when I pushed N. |
| 19:34.30 | aestil | ~seen jerry |
| 19:34.32 | purl | jerry <n=jerry@bas1-montreal19-1177814805.dsl.bell.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 4d 18h 59m 57s ago, saying: 'sorry wrong channel'. |
| 19:34.52 | aestil | uh, ok, jerry doesn't come on IRC much. nap time. bbl. |
| 19:36.27 | Grum | N is for NewError() |
| 19:37.24 | Ellipsis | yes, but G is for GievMoarAddon() |
| 19:38.18 | Grum | no way |
| 19:38.22 | Grum | it's GodMode() here |
| 19:38.26 | Grum | i can smite people then .. any people! |
| 19:39.16 | BlackVelvet | Just got myself 72 tickets from dwarves |
| 19:39.35 | BlackVelvet | Btw to answer your question Trell_ |
| 19:39.46 | BlackVelvet | The buff goes to 25, just turn it in and start over :P |
| 19:40.19 | Ellipsis | this one goes to 11! |
| 19:41.20 | BlackVelvet | What one? |
| 19:41.50 | BlackVelvet | Well, at last you can do the daily bark quests right? =) |
| 19:42.46 | xyu | i'm suprised at how many people can stand dailies, i certainly can't |
| 19:42.51 | xyu | i couldn't even stand questing when i was leveling |
| 19:42.56 | xyu | let alone when i'm 70 >< |
| 19:42.58 | Grum | ditto |
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| 19:43.35 | PenguinECE | Hiya. Any recommendations for a buff/debuff UI to replace the blizz one? I like how chronometer looks, but it doesn't seme to want to handle standard buffs like AI and molten armor. |
| 19:43.50 | kaiden | PenguinECE, Buffalo is my personal favorite |
| 19:44.00 | xyu | Elkbuffbars if you like how Chronometer looks |
| 19:44.02 | PenguinECE | is that ace2? |
| 19:44.04 | Xinhuan | dailies are like 120g for 1 hour of work, how can you not like them?? |
| 19:44.28 | xyu | they're tedious |
| 19:44.30 | xyu | hence the name |
| 19:44.31 | xyu | daily |
| 19:44.37 | BlackVelvet | I love dailies ;D |
| 19:44.41 | Elkano | though they don't look similar ^^' |
| 19:44.45 | BlackVelvet | they are so retardedly ez |
| 19:44.58 | Xinhuan | they aren't tedious at all if consider the rewards |
| 19:45.04 | Xinhuan | vs how you would normally get 120g |
| 19:46.02 | BlackVelvet | Its faster to get primals though |
| 19:46.03 | BlackVelvet | :) |
| 19:46.09 | BlackVelvet | And brings in alot more money |
| 19:46.47 | Xinhuan | its easier to prospect ore and sell gem cuts/enchants ;p |
| 19:46.50 | Xinhuan | i earn 500-100g a day |
| 19:46.53 | Xinhuan | 500-1000g |
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| 19:47.06 | BlackVelvet | That is not something everyone can do |
| 19:47.18 | PenguinECE | does bartender 3 not support numerical cooldown count on each individual button? |
| 19:47.25 | Trell_ | !p plans: steelgrip gauntlets |
| 19:47.33 | BlackVelvet | seeing as, you will propably have 2 crafting professions |
| 19:48.03 | Xinhuan | if you are a miner, you can easily earn 150g per hour |
| 19:48.12 | Xinhuan | assuming you have a epic flying mount of course |
| 19:48.26 | Paradox | I farm 10 primal air per day + daily quests |
| 19:48.36 | Paradox | net's me about 450-500g |
| 19:48.44 | cncfanatics | WT |
| 19:48.46 | cncfanatics | WTB* :p |
| 19:48.54 | Xinhuan | and something like Fishing can earn me 50g in 15 minutes of work |
| 19:48.56 | xyu | seems so boring to me ;P |
| 19:48.57 | Xinhuan | just fishing primal waters |
| 19:49.00 | kaiden | i farm stratholme for my cash |
| 19:49.02 | xyu | every single day farming primal air. |
| 19:49.09 | kaiden | i can make about 400-500g per run |
| 19:49.15 | kaiden | and each run only takes about an hour and half |
| 19:49.38 | Xinhuan | that will depend entirely on the price of Orbs and Shards on your server kaiden ;p |
| 19:49.48 | Eggi | fishing the tanking fishes (33 stam imo) also brings you a good amount of gold |
| 19:49.51 | kaiden | and greater eternal essence |
| 19:49.53 | kaiden | and illusion dust |
| 19:50.00 | kaiden | without those it's onlya bout 200g per run |
| 19:50.20 | kaiden | which that is vendoring all blues / greens / greys and then selling the cloth on the ah at 2.50 per stack |
| 19:50.21 | Gnarfoz | <Ellipsis> this one goes to 11! <-- win |
| 19:50.29 | Xinhuan | gold is easy to make, you don't even have to be a DPS class |
| 19:50.40 | Xinhuan | you only need something like mining/herb, or fishing |
| 19:50.43 | Xinhuan | or do some easy Bombing dailies |
| 19:50.51 | Xinhuan | and memorygame at ogrila |
| 19:51.05 | Xinhuan | 3 minutes for 12g |
| 19:51.07 | Xinhuan | per quest |
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| 19:51.21 | Crysli | Evening |
| 19:51.21 | Gnarfoz | memory... make 5 macros, /s Y, /s G, /s B, /s R, /s ---, put them on an action bar and hit them |
| 19:51.25 | Gnarfoz | no memory required at all |
| 19:51.32 | Xinhuan | ya, or type it out |
| 19:51.33 | durcyn | the simon game isn't 12g any more |
| 19:51.50 | Paradox | or use the addon Ogri'lazy D: |
| 19:51.55 | silentium | Eggi: close, it's 30 sta :) |
| 19:52.24 | Crysli | Punkie: Ping |
| 19:52.41 | cncfanatics | Gnarfoz, I bet it won't work if you remove the ram from your computer |
| 19:52.52 | Gnarfoz | cncfanatics: durrrr |
| 19:53.11 | cncfanatics | :p |
| 19:53.38 | Funkeh` | Mecdemort: Why do you have syncing in hyjal timers? |
| 19:54.16 | Mecdemort | cuz i'm the one that broadcasts for my raid but if im dead and running back i wont get them |
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| 19:56.10 | Funkeh` | Mecdemort: and if someone in the raid disconnects or reloads Ui it wrecks the timers for everyone |
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| 19:57.01 | Mecdemort | i've never had that happen, and i know people have disconnected with it before |
| 19:57.10 | PenguinECE | Anyone know a mod I can get that will add cooldown timers to individual buttons? |
| 19:57.16 | CIA-12 | 03vlorn * r50822 10DKPMon_EPGPCSV/: Removed file/folder |
| 19:57.22 | durcyn | PenguinECE: OmniCC |
| 19:57.25 | Mecdemort | when they reconnect they will try to broadcast the current wave, but since it's not higher than what everyone else is tracking it ignores it |
| 19:57.29 | durcyn | http://tuller.wowinterface.com |
| 19:57.36 | Funkeh` | Mecdemort: Its pretty obvious, you login, it reads the update and sends a sync. |
| 19:57.57 | PenguinECE | oookie doke I'll give ti a try thanks |
| 19:58.10 | Funkeh` | hmm |
| 19:58.19 | Mecdemort | hmm |
| 19:58.38 | cncfanatics | Tuller ur the bongos author ? didn't know :o |
| 19:58.54 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 19:58.55 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 19:59.11 | Mecdemort | Funkeh`: line 102: if wave and wave > currentWave and waveTimes[wave] then |
| 19:59.22 | Mecdemort | they will broadcast wave, but it's the same value as currentWave |
| 19:59.43 | Fisker- | ATTACK |
| 19:59.49 | [Ammo] | this the mt hyjal wavetimers mecdemort? |
| 19:59.53 | Mecdemort | yar |
| 20:00.05 | [Ammo] | mind if I grab that module and mangle it and add it to the base bigwigs? |
| 20:00.17 | [Ammo] | it has some stuff that can be done cleaner |
| 20:00.20 | Mecdemort | of course, it's what i tried to do in the first place |
| 20:00.29 | [Ammo] | and aftaer that it can be added to the core install |
| 20:00.34 | [Ammo] | ok |
| 20:00.43 | [Ammo] | I'll first modify the external module |
| 20:00.48 | [Ammo] | then move it in |
| 20:00.53 | Mecdemort | i tried to put it into the hyjal module but couldnt find a way since it's not a bossmod |
| 20:01.05 | [Ammo] | I have a way :p |
| 20:01.16 | Mecdemort | let me know when you're done and i'll go test it thoroughly |
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| 20:02.02 | [Ammo] | I will |
| 20:02.13 | [Ammo] | finally got into mt hyjal this week |
| 20:02.19 | [Ammo] | last reset that is |
| 20:02.19 | Mecdemort | nice |
| 20:02.23 | [Ammo] | and noticed the lack of the timers |
| 20:02.32 | [Ammo] | and my development is usally pushed by a selfneed |
| 20:03.03 | Mecdemort | the only problem is that on bosses 1 and 3 the timers are ~30 seconds slow because there's no way to tell the difference between 1/2 and 3/4 |
| 20:03.27 | Mecdemort | but since 2/4 are harder than 1/3 i decided to go with those times |
| 20:03.47 | [Ammo] | hmm |
| 20:04.02 | [Ammo] | there is a difference |
| 20:04.21 | [Ammo] | but it would require the one to talk to proudmoore/thrall to have bigwigs installed |
| 20:04.24 | [Ammo] | since that's the difference |
| 20:04.44 | Mecdemort | ya i know, and that wasn't really an option |
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| 20:06.54 | CIA-12 | 03xinhuan 07WIP * r50824 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/Core.lua: Cartographer_Routes: Fix "math_sqrt" nil errors on line 941 and 1006 by using ^0.5 instead (which is faster). |
| 20:07.11 | masanbol | who maintains/updates MailFu? |
| 20:07.39 | EKS | Is there some sort of IsHiden function on frames? |
| 20:08.13 | Mecdemort | IsVisible() |
| 20:08.30 | Mecdemort | or IsShown() |
| 20:09.23 | Ellipsis | depending what you want :P |
| 20:09.37 | Mecdemort | i think IsShown() is for :Show() and :Hide() and :IsVisible() is if it's parent is visible too |
| 20:09.55 | EKS | thx isShown is what i wanted |
| 20:10.40 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: math.sqrt is slower than ^0.5? lol |
| 20:10.55 | Gnarfoz | I'm always amazed by the possibilities for optimzation in Lua |
| 20:11.28 | cncfanatics | its slower ? |
| 20:11.35 | cncfanatics | shouldnt they do exactly the same ? |
| 20:11.44 | Mecdemort | math.sqrt still has a table lookup |
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| 20:13.48 | Mecdemort | nope even without the table call it's still over 3 times slower |
| 20:14.05 | cncfanatics | 3 times ? |
| 20:14.06 | cncfanatics | weird |
| 20:14.54 | Mecdemort | 50000 iterations, 200^.5 = .002s, sqrt(200) = .007s |
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| 20:15.11 | Ellipsis | well gee, if you guys can keep improving performance by that much every time... |
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| 20:15.21 | cncfanatics | 0.005 secs diff omg |
| 20:15.36 | Ellipsis | cncfanatics, some pretty heavy calculations go on in that module |
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| 20:15.39 | Ellipsis | it could make a big difference |
| 20:15.49 | Mecdemort | meh, slower is slower |
| 20:16.14 | cncfanatics | I do wonder why it is though |
| 20:16.20 | Crysli | *whew* History assignment done. |
| 20:16.22 | cncfanatics | they should call the same code in theory, minus the table lookup |
| 20:16.38 | cncfanatics | hmmm, function calls also make stuff slower ? |
| 20:16.41 | cncfanatics | as oposed to an operator |
| 20:16.42 | Ellipsis | it's Lua, nobody really understands how optimizations are optimizations |
| 20:16.43 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 20:16.51 | Trell_ | cnc - the route plotting takes quite a while, so I'd welcome any speed improvements |
| 20:16.58 | Trell_ | however; that could be down to my stone age computer too |
| 20:16.58 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 20:17.03 | Mecdemort | im guessing math.sqrt = function(n) return n^.5 end |
| 20:17.10 | cncfanatics | functions are rly all just members of a table ? |
| 20:17.12 | Trell_ | the first route plotting i mean, the tsp is considerably slower |
| 20:17.44 | Trell_ | s/slower/faster/ |
| 20:19.23 | QuantumDelta | is there any decent addons that record in detail the damage taken stats of other players? |
| 20:19.36 | Grum | Cartographer_Routes: Fix "math_sqrt" nil errors on line 941 and 1006 by using ^0.5 instead (which is faster). <-- it should not be used on round minimaps! |
| 20:19.43 | Grum | it bugs and breaks |
| 20:19.47 | Grum | and eats your kittens |
| 20:20.15 | futurekill | QuantumDelta: I believe recount will do what you want |
| 20:20.24 | Trell_ | round maps are the spawn of the devil |
| 20:20.39 | cncfanatics | round minimaps are pretty classical tbh |
| 20:20.47 | Ellipsis | I still don't understand why anyone would ever want to use a round minimap in WoW |
| 20:20.54 | QuantumDelta | cheers |
| 20:21.00 | cncfanatics | its the default, easy :) |
| 20:21.03 | Ellipsis | heh |
| 20:21.05 | Gnarfoz | can't really align round objects next to each other |
| 20:21.08 | Ellipsis | my statement includes Blizzard |
| 20:21.10 | Gnarfoz | which is why I can't stand them |
| 20:21.13 | durcyn | QuantumDelta: Assessment also goes into neurotic detail on its data |
| 20:22.05 | futurekill | QuantumDelta: Assessment is, in my opinion a little more mature than Recount...Assessment may be overkill though |
| 20:22.29 | QuantumDelta | we're trying to assess tank data comparing several classes over a series of raids in extreme detail |
| 20:22.41 | QuantumDelta | wws isn't an option |
| 20:22.44 | Gnarfoz | I really couldn't find useful data with Assessment - Recount OTOH does present the data rather nicely |
| 20:23.11 | futurekill | QuantumDelta: Assessment, Recount and SWStats (non-ace) will do what you want very well |
| 20:23.28 | futurekill | QuantumDelta: almost too well :) |
| 20:23.37 | QuantumDelta | heh |
| 20:23.53 | QuantumDelta | what's the diff between ace sws and non-ace? Oo |
| 20:23.58 | Mecdemort | I prefer my minimap mostly square, with a rounded bottomleft corner ;p |
| 20:24.09 | cncfanatics | QuantumDelta, if they're both well coded, next to none |
| 20:24.15 | Mecdemort | a 1/4 pie wedge, if you will |
| 20:24.16 | futurekill | QuantumDelta: I would start with recount and then work my way up to the other two if recount doesn't provide what you want |
| 20:24.23 | Xinhuan | i couldn't care more or less the shape of my minimap, don't use it that often |
| 20:24.34 | Mudkips | recount does everything |
| 20:24.36 | Mudkips | graphs even |
| 20:24.44 | futurekill | the graphs are quite nice |
| 20:24.54 | futurekill | I especially like the realtime raid graphs |
| 20:25.41 | CIA-12 | 03cronan * r50827 10BigBrother/localization_koKR.lua: |
| 20:25.41 | CIA-12 | BigBrother: |
| 20:25.41 | CIA-12 | - Update koKR |
| 20:26.35 | Chompers | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0710/enckeRipoff_movie_short.gif |
| 20:27.10 | futurekill | bye bye comet tail |
| 20:27.43 | CIA-12 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r563 10/trunk/VendorBait/VendorBait.lua: VendorBait - Failsafe for no item link (WTF?) |
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| 20:30.15 | Ailleus | This just pisses me off. There is an addon SCT Dispel thats supposed to show what buffs you dispelled (from the enemy i guess) Doesnt work for some reason..tried with and without hitsmode/simplecombatlog |
| 20:30.25 | QuantumDelta | thank ya futurekill |
| 20:30.38 | futurekill | QuantumDelta: no problem |
| 20:30.55 | Mudkips | Ailleus... |
| 20:32.00 | Ailleus | yes? |
| 20:32.38 | Mecdemort | ahhh key bindings are going to make me lose my mind |
| 20:33.40 | cncfanatics | ~whalecrit Shadowed |
| 20:33.40 | purl | ACTION crits Shadowed with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Shadowed dies |
| 20:33.42 | Mecdemort | how is it that i can call SetBindingClick and then immediatly GetBindingKey returns nil |
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| 20:33.50 | futurekill | QuantumDelta: You may also want to get FuBar_RecountFu, it adds a nice fubar menu for Recount |
| 20:34.00 | Towbar | yea its nice |
| 20:34.01 | Shadowed | scrooge > cnc |
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| 20:35.33 | Mecdemort | and GetBindingKey is returning nil but "=" is bound to the button |
| 20:37.16 | Mecdemort | do i have to call SetBinding(key, nil) before i can bind key to something else?! |
| 20:38.57 | BlackVelvet | woot |
| 20:39.07 | BlackVelvet | 69 tickets this time |
| 20:39.59 | Xinhuan | about 30 ppl here throwing ale |
| 20:40.00 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 20:40.06 | Xinhuan | meaning each person got less than 10 |
| 20:40.20 | BlackVelvet | Just need to time your throws |
| 20:40.29 | BlackVelvet | We have just as many trying to be cool |
| 20:40.39 | BlackVelvet | but im in their events, stealin' their tickets |
| 20:43.09 | Mudkips | lol wtf |
| 20:43.15 | Mudkips | what's the ale for? brewfest? |
| 20:43.29 | Mecdemort | can someone help me with keybindings before i rip all my hair out |
| 20:44.11 | Xinhuan | BlackVelvet: so apart from the 3 or 4 quests, its just doing the hourly event? |
| 20:44.26 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50828 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - fix possible bug |
| 20:44.31 | Mudkips | what do the tickets get you? |
| 20:44.39 | Xinhuan | gnome goggles and a mount ;p |
| 20:44.45 | Xinhuan | and some other stuff |
| 20:45.03 | Mudkips | I see |
| 20:45.13 | Mudkips | work sucks |
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| 20:46.22 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50829 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - fix another theoretical bug |
| 20:47.39 | sztanpet | ckknight could you make the screw icon toggle the options window? so if i click on it it opens and closes too |
| 20:47.56 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:48.03 | ckknight | seems good to me |
| 20:48.22 | Stanzilla2 | ckknight: and add text to the fubar plugin :D |
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| 20:48.35 | ckknight | Stanzilla2: still don't get why you want that :-P |
| 20:48.44 | Stanzilla2 | style! :D |
| 20:48.51 | Stanzilla2 | I don't have icons there |
| 20:48.53 | Ellipsis | stop distracting him! |
| 20:48.53 | Stanzilla2 | just text |
| 20:49.17 | Stanzilla2 | Ellipsis: stop attracting me! |
| 20:49.22 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 20:49.28 | Shadowed | hyperChipmunk whats the business m essage |
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| 20:51.20 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50830 10LibParser-4.0/LibParser-4.0.lua: LibParser-4.0 - apparently UnitName returns UNKNOWN now instead of nil, so this has to be accounted for. |
| 20:51.30 | Mudkips | o man brewfest outfits |
| 20:51.43 | Mudkips | must-collect-and-fill-up-bank-with-useless-junk |
| 20:52.05 | CIA-12 | 03adirelle * r50831 10CastYeller/Locale-enUS.lua: |
| 20:52.05 | CIA-12 | CastYeller: |
| 20:52.05 | CIA-12 | - added missing locales for negated conditions. |
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| 21:00.25 | silentium | maybe I'm blind, but I still havent found a way to move the rock config button from the minimap to my fubar (I thought there was such a change a while ago) |
| 21:00.46 | futurekill | there's a menu option for it |
| 21:00.49 | Ellipsis | it's in the Rock settings |
| 21:01.55 | CIA-12 | 03shadowed * r50832 10Scrooge/Scrooge.lua: Scrooge: Added /scrooge business yells at people in a whisper if they request a ping from Ace2/Rock, or talent info in Rock |
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| 21:02.00 | ckknight | silentium: you have to have LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 somewhere |
| 21:02.31 | fatbrain | Hello, anyone know from the top of the head, if there's a way to determine if a craftable item (using its itemlink) is BoP or BoE? |
| 21:04.12 | CIA-12 | 03charon 07charon * r50833 10Omen/Omen/OmenThreatBar.lua: Omen: more work on ThreatBar labels |
| 21:04.13 | Shadowed | do you have it in your inventory? |
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| 21:04.31 | fatbrain | Shadowed: I have it in my tradeskill window |
| 21:04.40 | fatbrain | I get the itemlink from the GetTradeSkillItemLink |
| 21:05.09 | silentium | hm, Rock settings? the ones that open when you click the button? there is an option "show minimap icon", but it doesnt move it to fubar - I'm obviously missing LibFuBarPlugin-3.0, I kinda expected it to be installed automatically along with the other used libs |
| 21:05.16 | Shadowed | Offhand, I don't recall if theres a function to get status. But I believe you can only do it with tooltip scanning. |
| 21:05.35 | ckknight | silentium: manually install that one, tell me if it works or not |
| 21:05.59 | futurekill | The fubar icon looks like s screw...I missed the the first time...although, my icons are pretty small |
| 21:06.07 | fatbrain | Shadowed: Then that's what I'll do, thanks |
| 21:07.25 | fatbrain | Shadowed: oh, I'm a douchebag, apparently there's even a tradeskill friendly version of such a "feature", The GetTradeSkillItemStats function, cheers :) |
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| 21:07.45 | JCinDE | evening |
| 21:07.54 | silentium | it works now (with a new option showing up), thanks for the hints |
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| 21:10.04 | sylvanaar | i just found your armory tools Antiarc cool |
| 21:10.45 | deltron | it's good stuffs |
| 21:12.23 | JCinDE | Is there any easy way to convert from a "with externals" configuration to a "without externals" one? |
| 21:12.33 | Ellipsis | using an updater, yeah |
| 21:12.50 | JCinDE | can you give me a hint? |
| 21:12.53 | Ellipsis | just set delete before extracting on, and update without externals (may be more difficult with WAU) |
| 21:13.05 | JCinDE | k |
| 21:13.30 | NightHawkTheSane | you can do it manually too, its not stunningly difficult |
| 21:13.51 | JCinDE | I have around 280 mods installed |
| 21:14.27 | silentium | in WAU: change settings to automatic dependancy download and no externals, then reinstall all addons (shift+f10 or something) |
| 21:14.27 | TNSe | uh |
| 21:14.32 | NightHawkTheSane | so? There's only a finite number of libraries, lots are probably duplicated. |
| 21:14.33 | TNSe | has 2.2.2 broken combatlogs? |
| 21:15.15 | NivFreak | no? |
| 21:15.24 | NivFreak | in what way? |
| 21:15.27 | TNSe | then why am I no logner getting a wowcombatlog.txt file |
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| 21:17.15 | silentium | even with a limited number of different libs, the main reason a user would want to switch to no exterals is reduced login time - most people dont care about the higher load for the server with "with externals" or the larger disk usage |
| 21:17.29 | charon | any Sanity users around? how do i drop an item i'm wearing into my bags? |
| 21:19.33 | aestil | there are never enough hours for a nap. |
| 21:19.54 | Nandini | that's why i invented 13 o'clock |
| 21:20.05 | futurekill | isn't that 1PM? |
| 21:20.21 | Nandini | no, 1 PM comes after 13 o'clock |
| 21:20.33 | futurekill | gotcha |
| 21:20.36 | Nandini | and 13 o'clock lasts as long as my watch says so |
| 21:21.21 | Nandini | i told my boss to think of it as a "leap hour" when i need to get my body clock back in sync with the earth's rotation |
| 21:22.06 | aestil | [Ammo] Meteor timer on Al'ar was off on Monday. We would get the 'Meteor soon' message, and the bird would already have resapwned, the timer just seemed to be off. |
| 21:22.26 | Xinhuan | meteor timer was fine today, i killed him some 6 hours ago. |
| 21:23.00 | Towbar | yea alar lootreaver and solarion are all fine atm |
| 21:23.10 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50834 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - set up for a generic simplified sv system for later use. |
| 21:23.30 | aestil | Xinhuan: every time meteor timer was right? we would have times it was 'accidentally' right, because of delayd use of the cooldown ability, but yeah, we had Al'ar on the ground already, and the timer for Meteor was just at .2 or whatever. |
| 21:23.33 | Xinhuan | we were trash clearing to Solarian just as the commit to PM "wrath of the astromancer" debuff was there hehe |
| 21:23.39 | Xinhuan | yah every timer was right |
| 21:23.52 | charon | how ironic, the Sanity options drive me insane ;) |
| 21:24.20 | Xinhuan | or are you just going to argue that it isn't right because of a 0.2 second difference? |
| 21:24.28 | aestil | no xinhuan |
| 21:24.33 | sylvanaar | seen this: http://www.wowarmory.com/search-plugin.xml |
| 21:24.37 | aestil | i'm saying that the timer is supposed to show the end of the cooldown. |
| 21:24.46 | aestil | and then you're supposed to get a 'meteor soon' warning. |
| 21:25.01 | Xinhuan | seemed fine to me today |
| 21:25.03 | aestil | and the entire meteor event would be complete already, before the notice of 'meteor' soon had even happened yet. |
| 21:26.41 | aestil | is Xloot still borked for anyone? |
| 21:27.19 | charon | seemed to work fine today |
| 21:27.30 | futurekill | aestil: yup |
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| 21:27.44 | Dustwhisper | Is it just me or has 2.2.2 changed solarian to have aggro >_> ? |
| 21:27.56 | futurekill | aestil: it works but with the annoying big box |
| 21:28.11 | Towbar | nope dustwhisper sometimes when you fully nuke you get melee |
| 21:28.13 | aestil | yeah, thats not intended I don't think futurekill . |
| 21:28.19 | Towbar | i been hit a few times |
| 21:28.20 | Dustwhisper | melee sure |
| 21:28.24 | Dustwhisper | but now she's actually charging ranged |
| 21:28.29 | futurekill | I really wish blizz would come out with some sort of SOAP or other interface to the armory |
| 21:28.30 | Towbar | :/ |
| 21:28.34 | Towbar | never seen that |
| 21:28.34 | Dustwhisper | im standing at 26 yards and she ran to me and hit the fuck out of me |
| 21:28.55 | futurekill | aestil: yeah, I doubt it...not sure what in 2.2.2 borked it though |
| 21:29.41 | Towbar | backtracking a little: what are teh differences and advantages if any between a with externals and without externals setup? |
| 21:29.55 | aestil | we only started Solarian this week, and came to the conclusion that she had an aggro table, is she not supposed to have an aggro table? |
| 21:29.56 | Towbar | and ck since you are on, just switched to parrot and its awesome |
| 21:30.07 | aestil | towbar, load times. |
| 21:30.07 | futurekill | without externals makes your login time shorter...that's about it |
| 21:30.09 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 21:30.26 | Towbar | aestil: 9/10 times we just nuke the crap out of solarion |
| 21:30.30 | Towbar | and its no probs |
| 21:30.30 | ckknight | Towbar: only through the support of my fans do I keep going |
| 21:30.42 | Towbar | ck: np :) |
| 21:30.47 | Towbar | loving the parabola effect |
| 21:30.52 | Towbar | using it for in and out |
| 21:31.12 | JCinDE | what is parrot? |
| 21:31.17 | Towbar | SCT on steroids |
| 21:31.26 | JCinDE | ooh hmm |
| 21:31.38 | futurekill | I like it much better than SCT...easier to configure and nicer looking |
| 21:31.42 | Towbar | yea |
| 21:31.46 | Towbar | jsut set master fonts |
| 21:32.08 | Towbar | and remove some spammy bits like incoming heal ranks etc and its awesome |
| 21:32.22 | Towbar | but its nice to have the option |
| 21:32.26 | Towbar | say as a tank or something |
| 21:32.35 | Towbar | to see who is slacking in real time |
| 21:32.41 | JCinDE | must try parrot |
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| 21:33.10 | charon | Antiarc: do you still maintain Sanity2? |
| 21:33.14 | Towbar | backtracking again: does it save server bandwidth or anything like that to use without externals? |
| 21:33.32 | Ellipsis | yes, particularly if you update frequently |
| 21:33.36 | Towbar | which i do |
| 21:33.53 | JCinDE | I'd imagine so |
| 21:33.55 | aestil | For some reason, I have also had less errors as 'without' externals, than as 'with externals. |
| 21:34.09 | Towbar | i only have one error now atm in recount |
| 21:34.14 | Towbar | cant remember what it is |
| 21:34.18 | aestil | i think tekkub or indie may cry if you use without externals though :/ |
| 21:34.19 | futurekill | is LibParser-4.0 a replacement for 3.0 (I hope)? and if so, does it have a compatibility layer so I can delete the old one? |
| 21:34.25 | Towbar | ok myt UI backup script is done |
| 21:34.26 | aestil | futurekill: yes. |
| 21:34.31 | futurekill | cool |
| 21:34.37 | aestil | OMG I HAVE TO BACK UP EEPANELS NOW |
| 21:34.43 | Towbar | open WAU, change to without externals, restall all addons? |
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| 21:35.18 | Towbar | aestill i jsut made a nackup script and a restore script that detects windows version, pulls install path from reg and backs up WTF and addons dir to a rar |
| 21:35.22 | Towbar | backup* |
| 21:35.41 | aestil | why need a script for that? i will just backup my WTF into a rar. |
| 21:35.42 | Towbar | using a windows port ot cut etc to get the install path :) |
| 21:35.52 | Towbar | WTF is settings |
| 21:35.55 | Towbar | addons is addons |
| 21:35.57 | aestil | i'm very computer illiterate. |
| 21:35.59 | aestil | yesh. |
| 21:36.01 | Towbar | i backup both |
| 21:36.14 | aestil | the only thing thats important, [and its very improtant] is that I don't nuke my eePanels again. |
| 21:36.21 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 21:36.22 | Towbar | also my rar archive gets refreshed so it only recompresses whats changed |
| 21:36.34 | Towbar | so the more often you backup the less time it takes |
| 21:36.40 | Xinhuan | 8 tickets |
| 21:36.42 | Ellipsis | I'm sorry aestil, but if you do something like that again I may just stab you rather than helping again :P |
| 21:36.47 | Xinhuan | how do i get more from that hourly event? |
| 21:36.49 | aestil | yesh. |
| 21:37.05 | aestil | I'll help you, and then promise more coffee [if you ever come get the stuff I have for you now] |
| 21:37.25 | Towbar | open WAU, change to without externals, reinstall all addons? |
| 21:37.33 | Ellipsis | you know you could always come down here! |
| 21:37.35 | Towbar | that will change my install type? |
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| 21:38.56 | Towbar | do i need delete before updating ? |
| 21:39.16 | Towbar | and if so will that delete custom settings or just the addon? |
| 21:39.16 | sylvanaar | JCinDE if you never used older WAU, then you just install the addon with the externals type you want |
| 21:39.32 | JCinDE | I've got it going. Thanks tho. |
| 21:39.41 | sylvanaar | no need to reinstall all addons anymore |
| 21:39.55 | aestil | I work 2 jobs Ellipsis, you appear to hang around the house naked and irc alot. |
| 21:40.13 | sylvanaar | just install/update the ones you want to change with the correct mode |
| 21:40.42 | JCinDE | I'm pretty sure my total addon memory has dropped aby about 15mb |
| 21:40.58 | Ellipsis | aestil, that's not fair |
| 21:41.00 | Chompers | Having some attempts on morrogrim, quite difficult :< |
| 21:41.11 | Chompers | espically the mobs that spawn |
| 21:41.14 | Ellipsis | I'm only naked on special occasions |
| 21:41.15 | Towbar | what tank are you using? |
| 21:41.20 | Towbar | on morrowgrim |
| 21:41.21 | aestil | morrogrim will be easy when you have a pally tank. |
| 21:41.22 | sylvanaar | delete before extract, skip version check, and reinstall are all for older WAU |
| 21:41.28 | Chompers | warrior, but we have a bear |
| 21:41.37 | Towbar | try teh bear |
| 21:41.48 | Towbar | easier to heal as warriors take too much spike dmg on morrowgrim |
| 21:42.08 | Chompers | the warrior is full t4 with some t5 |
| 21:42.13 | aestil | Ellipsis: *shrugs* come get coffee friday. i'll give you 20 dollars of coffee and you pay for a 20 dollar metro rail card :) |
| 21:42.17 | Towbar | and the bear? |
| 21:42.19 | Chompers | the bear is blues/gruul level gear |
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| 21:42.25 | Towbar | warrior then |
| 21:42.26 | rob` | I'm a paladin tank and the warriors on our tank team insist on me tanking that because morogrim scares the shite out of them :) |
| 21:42.26 | Chompers | he's nowhere close |
| 21:42.43 | Gnarfoz | morogrim > shield block |
| 21:42.46 | Towbar | good gear protadins can tank him easier too |
| 21:42.48 | Ellipsis | aestil, I really only have a chance on weekends :P |
| 21:42.53 | Chompers | prot pala too |
| 21:42.57 | Ackis | paladin tanks make me laugh |
| 21:42.58 | Chompers | he's kara/gruul geared |
| 21:43.01 | aestil | i work 12 - 6pm on saturday |
| 21:43.20 | xyu | warriors that are scared that's preposterous! warriors usually think they can tank anything even if they're wearing greens and in cloth |
| 21:43.21 | Ellipsis | *maybe* I can do it then |
| 21:43.30 | xyu | and if they die, its the healers fault |
| 21:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | xyu: well, everything's the healer's fault. |
| 21:44.09 | zeeg | Anyone know of a good remote backup service, using something like rsync, that has Mac + Windows applications to easily keep them in sync when contents change? |
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| 21:44.46 | Ackis | is there a simple way to reset frames when you've closed it, or do you have to go through all the frames you've created and nil them? |
| 21:45.03 | Xinhuan | frames cannot be garbage collected. |
| 21:45.11 | Xinhuan | even if there's no reference to them |
| 21:45.16 | CIA-12 | 03grum 07WIP * r50836 10Cartographer_Routes/Cartographer_Routes/Core.lua: Cartographer_Routes: Removing all round minimap-code for now. |
| 21:45.33 | Ackis | so once it's created it's there forever? |
| 21:45.35 | Xinhuan | grum does that mean i can't use it or? |
| 21:45.41 | Grum | you cant use it ^^ |
| 21:45.46 | Grum | seriously it's heavily broken |
| 21:45.52 | Xinhuan | why can't i use it? |
| 21:46.04 | xyu | he hates you |
| 21:46.37 | Ailleus | mudkips |
| 21:46.45 | Trell_ | because, as I said earlier, round maps are the spawn of the devil |
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| 21:47.12 | orionshock | ah the insanity of it all |
| 21:47.16 | aestil | ckknight: lol at your imaginary bug fixes. |
| 21:47.38 | Trell_ | mm ck, whats with all the 'caw. it'll eat your crackers.' and so on? |
| 21:47.39 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 21:47.41 | ckknight | they're bugs that I can't reproduce |
| 21:47.44 | Trell_ | just interested |
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| 21:47.56 | ckknight | Trell_: I can't think of descriptions, so I just follow a meme |
| 21:48.41 | Towbar | question to the room: so does "ace2" cover shared libs now and such in the mem usuage list, instead of the first addon that loaded? |
| 21:48.42 | ckknight | "[Short Description] of awesomeness. [Animal noise]. It'll [Animal-related verb] your [noun that goes with said verb]. |
| 21:48.50 | futurekill | ckknight: I just got the latest release of LibRockConfig-1.0 and now my client crashes when the load bar gets to the end... |
| 21:48.51 | Towbar | lol |
| 21:48.52 | Trell_ | ah, you mean; A meme, (IPA: /mi:m/) as defined within memetic theory, comprises a theoretical unit of cultural information, the building block of cultural evolution or diffusion that propagates from one mind to another analogously to the way in which a gene propagates from one organism to another as a unit of genetic information and of biological evolution. |
| 21:48.56 | Trell_ | thats what I thought. |
| 21:50.55 | xyu | wow IRC logs for the past year. http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowace/ |
| 21:50.59 | xyu | what is this page o_O |
| 21:51.00 | charon | ~poke antiarc |
| 21:51.00 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind antiarc, pokes antiarc repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:51.20 | Antiarc | I'm here |
| 21:51.34 | charon | do you still maintain Sanity2? |
| 21:51.41 | charon | or is that another case of Readable Code(tm) |
| 21:51.48 | charon | (no offense or anything intended...) |
| 21:53.07 | Trell_ | ck, not to be a pain; but any idea when profile importing will work? |
| 21:53.08 | Antiarc | I keep meaning to update it for 2.2 but haven't yet |
| 21:53.17 | charon | someone fixed something and bumped the toc |
| 21:53.18 | Trell_ | (on anything rock related) |
| 21:53.35 | charon | i installed it 15mins ago, but the stacking stuff seems broken |
| 21:54.04 | Mudkips | hi |
| 21:55.18 | Ailleus | mudkips, is that dispel even possible? |
| 21:55.20 | charon | as in, the only difference if i enable Collapse Multiple Stacks is, that the stack size counters on the icons and the Stacks: 1 column disappears... there still are N stacks of netherweave cloth |
| 21:55.23 | charon | (rows, that is) |
| 21:56.07 | aestil | who wants to finish typing my appraisal? |
| 21:59.00 | CIA-12 | 03alar * r50837 10AlarTTFrame/AlarTTFrame.lua: AlarTTFrame Removed a leftover debug message. Sorry for the spam |
| 21:59.25 | Towbar | anyone still having trouble like crap sound and reduced framerates with creative audigy 2 or above sound cards? |
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| 22:00.03 | Towbar | since 2.2 |
| 22:00.33 | ckknight | Trell_: I'll implement it in a bit, I have another project I'm working on that will take heavy priority soon, so *shrug* |
| 22:00.37 | ckknight | I'm doing my best |
| 22:00.59 | sylvanaar | how do i rename foo1.bar and foo2.bar to foo01.bar foo02.bar in linux |
| 22:01.23 | futurekill | Towbar: yeah, apparently it's a know issue: https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2043950920&sid=1 |
| 22:01.24 | Xinhuan | do it manually, file by file :) |
| 22:01.25 | sylvanaar | in dos its ren foo?.bar foo0?.bar |
| 22:01.42 | Mudkips | which dispel? |
| 22:02.04 | Towbar | yea future killer it was me that brought that here :) |
| 22:02.09 | Towbar | ~creativefix |
| 22:02.10 | purl | Open your registry editor and navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CreativeTech\Emu10kx\DriverSettings\Wave\Pin#00000002 ", then change the Turbo value from 1 to 0, then reboot. |
| 22:02.14 | Towbar | :) |
| 22:02.20 | futurekill | sylvanaar: mv oldfilename newfilename |
| 22:02.21 | Mudkips | keylogger |
| 22:02.28 | sylvanaar | with the wildcard |
| 22:02.37 | futurekill | Towbar: ah, ic...well then, yeah it's still broke |
| 22:02.52 | charon_ | grr, dc'd |
| 22:02.53 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: imo, break out the perl script ;) |
| 22:02.55 | Ellipsis | Mudkips: your mom's a keylogger |
| 22:03.01 | Towbar | :( |
| 22:03.05 | Towbar | it sorted me out |
| 22:03.07 | sylvanaar | ill just do it in dos, and reupload |
| 22:03.20 | futurekill | sylvanaar: you just want to add the 0 in front of the number? |
| 22:03.27 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 22:03.46 | charon_ | [23:58]<charon> Antiarc: also, if i may suggest, i think it would be more intuitive if the Focus Search Field keybind also popped up the window if it's not... that would then become the only thing i'd map |
| 22:03.56 | futurekill | yeah, I think you'll have to write a shell script to do that |
| 22:03.59 | Mudkips | Ellipsis, NO U |
| 22:04.01 | Antiarc | Ah. Good idea. |
| 22:04.15 | Towbar | who codes cartographer? |
| 22:04.30 | Grum | it should be ck's |
| 22:04.35 | Grum | not sure who actually maintains it atm |
| 22:04.52 | ckknight | I maintain it |
| 22:04.57 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50838 10LibRockComm-1.0/LibRockComm-1.0.lua: LibRockComm-1.0 - fix a possible bug. |
| 22:05.09 | Tinyboom | ckknight: just curious; addon project? ;) |
| 22:05.14 | Towbar | today i looked at the instance maps |
| 22:05.30 | ckknight | yea? |
| 22:05.39 | Towbar | first time really which is startelnig considering how long I have had it installed |
| 22:05.41 | CIA-12 | 03vlorn * r50839 10Bidder_DiscordEPGP/ (discordepgp.lua localization.enUS.lua): Bidder_DiscordEPGP: added text for "no bid" |
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| 22:06.08 | Grum | Towbar: grats? |
| 22:06.26 | Towbar | I was looking through the loot table sections and although the click on a boss for loot table is interesting, would there be a way to get a layout more similar to atlas / atlas loot, ie a boss list, click on that and see the loot? |
| 22:06.35 | Towbar | grum: was typing alot |
| 22:06.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Towbar: "startling" |
| 22:06.50 | Towbar | nighthawk: indeed |
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| 22:07.39 | Towbar | I have jsut always defaulted to atlas to check up on a boss drop and had not really ever considered using cartographer for that function |
| 22:08.36 | futurekill | sylvanaar: what linux distro are you using? |
| 22:08.43 | Towbar | have been toying with teh idea of removing atlas and atlas loot in my goal to remove as many non ace addons as possible, atm I only have 3 or 4 left |
| 22:09.25 | sylvanaar | futurekill thanks, i just did it in dos and resent it |
| 22:09.32 | Xinhuan | why would you do that Towbar |
| 22:09.48 | Xinhuan | many non-ace addons are far better written and far more efficient than ace2 addons |
| 22:09.54 | Xinhuan | and use less memory too |
| 22:10.00 | futurekill | sylvanaar: kk...some distros have a command called 'rename' that works similar to the DOS command |
| 22:10.16 | Towbar | i got 2 gig so i dont really care about the memory aspect |
| 22:10.52 | Towbar | but on patch days when updates are needed WAU > all |
| 22:11.11 | Xinhuan | you are aware atlasloot is on WAU? |
| 22:11.21 | Towbar | and ace addons tend to have much more frequent updates |
| 22:11.28 | Towbar | atlast loot is yes |
| 22:11.34 | Towbar | but atlas itself is not |
| 22:11.46 | Xinhuan | you don't have to use atlasloot with atlas |
| 22:11.53 | Towbar | and I am pondering at teh need for having 2 addons that essentially do the same thing |
| 22:11.58 | Towbar | i know you dont |
| 22:12.03 | Xinhuan | just use cartographer and atlasloot, and disable carto_loot |
| 22:12.55 | NightHawkTheSane | thats what I do. |
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| 22:15.47 | Paradox | I only use cartographer for the full-minimap thing |
| 22:15.59 | Paradox | if there was an addon that gave me just that i'd rather use that than the full cart package.. |
| 22:16.11 | Xinhuan | full minimap thingy ? |
| 22:16.14 | Paradox | *hint hint* if anyone knows of any such addon |
| 22:16.19 | Paradox | sorry, not minimap |
| 22:16.21 | Paradox | full world map |
| 22:16.30 | Arrowmaster | foglight? |
| 22:16.35 | Xinhuan | not quite sure what you mean by that |
| 22:16.45 | Paradox | it shows unexplored areas on the world map |
| 22:16.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah foglight |
| 22:16.51 | Xinhuan | that would be foglight |
| 22:16.54 | Arrowmaster | other addons do that too |
| 22:16.59 | Arrowmaster | but cart does it best i think |
| 22:17.02 | Xinhuan | i don't use that because it kills the MiniBattleFieldMap |
| 22:17.28 | Xinhuan | you can run a macro so that it appears anywhere, not just in a BG, or a Outlands map |
| 22:17.33 | Xinhuan | and foglight breaks that |
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| 22:18.04 | Ellipsis | I don't use that because...well...I have everything discovered, and if I don't, I want to know so that I can go discover it o.O |
| 22:18.47 | Xinhuan | /run for k = 27000, 28000 do GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:"..k) end |
| 22:18.53 | Xinhuan | datamining wow servers with lootlink (lolz) |
| 22:18.58 | Xinhuan | 1000 items at a time |
| 22:19.02 | Ellipsis | but why |
| 22:19.17 | Xinhuan | gets me a more complete item database |
| 22:19.35 | Ellipsis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/1155341618648.jpg |
| 22:19.36 | Towbar | does it work? |
| 22:20.01 | Xinhuan | yeah, because lootlink hooks into GTT:SetHyperlink |
| 22:20.06 | kagaku-hiryo | FUZZY |
| 22:20.07 | Xinhuan | so i just need to run it twiec |
| 22:20.16 | Xinhuan | once to retrieve from server, once to actually populate the data |
| 22:20.17 | Towbar | in chat bar? |
| 22:20.28 | Towbar | do you not get DCs all the time? |
| 22:20.34 | Xinhuan | server no longer d/cs since 2.2.2 |
| 22:20.38 | Towbar | awesome |
| 22:20.40 | Grum | you dont? |
| 22:20.41 | Xinhuan | on requesting invalid links |
| 22:20.43 | Grum | sick |
| 22:20.51 | Grum | how many items in total? |
| 22:20.52 | Xinhuan | so i'm just requesting everything from 1-40000 |
| 22:20.55 | Grum | 1-44k orso right? |
| 22:21.12 | Xinhuan | the server won't actually reply you with an item if it hasn't seen it |
| 22:21.24 | Xinhuan | the server still has to have seen it for you to be able to datamine it |
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| 22:22.31 | Xinhuan | i can't do it all in a big loop though, since spamming the server d/cs you ;p |
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| 22:23.37 | Ellipsis | so basically you're a total hax0r |
| 22:23.44 | Azure | mhm... are the IDs sorted in some way, e.g. i could just retrieve 40-44k to get all new raidloot? |
| 22:23.56 | Grum | not sure if they reuse old ids |
| 22:23.59 | Ellipsis | sorta but not really |
| 22:24.01 | Grum | but no they are scattered around a bit |
| 22:24.14 | Shadowed | the theory behind finding new items afaik is to scan all the items on a live server, then move that DB to a test, rescan |
| 22:24.16 | Xinhuan | related items have similar IDs though |
| 22:24.19 | Xinhuan | like gems |
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| 22:24.25 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 22:24.26 | Shadowed | just scan to an absurd number like 100,000 as long as you aren't running it often |
| 22:24.38 | Ellipsis | if you find a certain item that has several types, they probably have consecutive IDs |
| 22:24.38 | Grum | lol .. i do it .. disconnect O.o |
| 22:24.44 | Grum | 1 - 10000 ! |
| 22:24.52 | Xinhuan | don't try more than 1000 at a time |
| 22:25.17 | Grum | typo ftw :D |
| 22:25.54 | Xinhuan | in fact just doing 1000 at a time "lags me" since the server sends a heap of packet replies about items |
| 22:26.01 | Xinhuan | and increases my ping |
| 22:26.21 | Azure | how long does it take to run? |
| 22:26.28 | Xinhuan | about 0 seconds. |
| 22:26.32 | Azure | hehe ok |
| 22:26.33 | Grum | its really fast |
| 22:26.59 | Shadowed | i've never had issues |
| 22:27.30 | Shadowed | I'm just scanning 100k ids from GetItemInfo all at once |
| 22:27.50 | Shadowed | ah, if you're trying SetHyperLink that'd cause issues thought |
| 22:28.00 | Xinhuan | err Shadowed: GetItemInfo != SetHyperlink |
| 22:28.12 | Shadowed | too slow on responding |
| 22:28.16 | Xinhuan | /run for k = 33000, 34000 do GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:"..k) end |
| 22:28.21 | Ellipsis | GetItemInfo won't do anything for you Shadowed |
| 22:28.21 | Xinhuan | doing 33-34k atm lolz |
| 22:28.31 | Shadowed | isn't there a mod that does that already |
| 22:28.32 | Ellipsis | that's what Ludwig etc. are for :P |
| 22:28.32 | Shadowed | somewhere |
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| 22:28.41 | Grum | 2250 works .. 2500 disconnects me |
| 22:28.42 | Towbar | thx for that |
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| 22:29.04 | Towbar | thx for that |
| 22:29.06 | Xinhuan | grum, i think the client only requests a link from the server only if it doesn't already exist on the client though |
| 22:29.18 | Xinhuan | so if you have a empty chunk, there's more requsets compared to less |
| 22:29.35 | Grum | yup |
| 22:29.37 | Grum | it depends |
| 22:29.42 | Grum | 2k just disconnected me |
| 22:29.45 | Grum | and still lags me now :D |
| 22:29.52 | Grum | ah got the packets ^^ |
| 22:29.56 | Xinhuan | 34000-35000 just d/ced me |
| 22:29.58 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 22:30.19 | Towbar | doing 32-33k atm for BT patterns and stuff |
| 22:30.45 | Xinhuan | remember someone on the server actually has to have seen it, or log on with it or the server wont' reply you |
| 22:31.00 | Towbar | we have one BT guild on server |
| 22:31.06 | Towbar | and they are horde |
| 22:31.16 | Towbar | my guild is top ally and we are starting hyjal |
| 22:31.16 | Ellipsis | someone should log in on korgath or something |
| 22:31.19 | Xinhuan | doesn't specifically has to be your server though |
| 22:31.22 | Matrix110 | we have around ~15bt guilds on the server |
| 22:31.26 | Xinhuan | can be x-realm as well |
| 22:31.41 | Xinhuan | we have about 52 raiding guilds on my server, at least 10 are in BT ;p |
| 22:31.42 | Towbar | well all teh BT trash is working now for me |
| 22:31.46 | Towbar | and 90% of patterns |
| 22:32.35 | Mudkips | what realm Xinhuan? |
| 22:32.48 | Xinhuan | i should write a "sniff" addon that does like 100 SetHyperlinks every 5 seconds or something lol |
| 22:32.49 | Mudkips | 52 is a big number |
| 22:32.54 | Xinhuan | Blackrock US |
| 22:32.58 | Mudkips | ah |
| 22:33.30 | Matrix110 | wbat is a "raiding" guild a Kara guild or SSC/TK? |
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| 22:33.39 | Matrix110 | or gruul |
| 22:33.43 | sylvanaar | i added screenshots of the current 1.9 method for going from embeds to without embeds and back at the end of seerah's post here: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8542.0 |
| 22:33.46 | Grum | a guild that raids |
| 22:33.56 | Xinhuan | i defined a raiding guild as one that has at least killed 1 boss in either TK or SSC |
| 22:34.02 | Xinhuan | and there's 52 of these on my server |
| 22:34.05 | Mudkips | Grum, lol |
| 22:34.11 | Mudkips | I couldn't have said it better |
| 22:34.38 | Xinhuan | i.e at least went beyond magtheridon/gruul |
| 22:35.10 | Grum | can i have a /script that sleeps for 1s orso? :P |
| 22:35.42 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 22:36.10 | Matrix110 | 53guilds killed gruul here 39 atleast 1 SSC/TK Boss 16killed Kael |
| 22:36.26 | sylvanaar | ... that was funny |
| 22:36.27 | Matrix110 | *16 of them |
| 22:36.39 | Xinhuan | that's a bit more than my server hehe |
| 22:36.48 | Xinhuan | have 10 or 11 here i think, with kael killed |
| 22:36.54 | Matrix110 | 6 killed Illidan |
| 22:37.01 | Xinhuan | 2 killed illidan here |
| 22:37.24 | Xinhuan | i managed to crash wow to desktop with a 35k-36k loop |
| 22:37.27 | Matrix110 | and we got i think like 500 kara guilds:P |
| 22:37.45 | Xinhuan | i think i'll have to go slower |
| 22:37.48 | aestil | I don't think killing VR makes you a real 'raiding' guild. |
| 22:38.02 | aestil | i think... killing hydross would qualify you as a real raiding guild. |
| 22:38.06 | Xinhuan | if you can muster 25 ppl in the same guild, i'll say you qualify as one |
| 22:38.18 | Mecdemort | hmm apparently you can do SetAttribute in combat |
| 22:38.27 | Ackis | Killing Kael = real raiding guild |
| 22:38.47 | aestil | wow, kiling vashj means no raiding guild for you? |
| 22:38.52 | aestil | I guess I fail then. |
| 22:38.55 | Ackis | vashj is easy |
| 22:39.00 | aestil | uh huh. |
| 22:39.18 | aestil | tell me that when you raid 11 hours a week. |
| 22:39.24 | aestil | spread over 3 nights. |
| 22:39.28 | Mudkips | raiding is relative |
| 22:39.31 | Mecdemort | you're not a real raiding guild until you've downed archimond, if you want to be picky |
| 22:39.33 | Ackis | ok, vashj is easy |
| 22:39.34 | Matrix110 | well tbh i wouldnt say vashj is that much easier than Kael in general:P |
| 22:39.42 | Towbar | do 11 hours on a sundany asnd a monday |
| 22:39.43 | Ackis | archimonde is easier than kael |
| 22:39.44 | Towbar | more |
| 22:39.54 | Matrix110 | easier ofc but Kael isnt hard just the fuckup possibilities are alot higher |
| 22:39.58 | aestil | Kael seems easy, just long and full of problems. |
| 22:40.00 | Matrix110 | and its ALOT more annoying to try |
| 22:40.03 | Xinhuan | vashj is a lot more random than kael is |
| 22:40.05 | Mudkips | but easier doesn't necessarily mean easy |
| 22:40.10 | Ackis | the raids are more "idiot checks" than difficult |
| 22:40.16 | Mudkips | archimonde is more luck based than execution based kael |
| 22:40.18 | Ackis | less idiots in raid = faster progression |
| 22:40.19 | Matrix110 | true Ackis |
| 22:40.20 | Towbar | hmmm kael has random elements too |
| 22:40.20 | aestil | solarian is an idiot check. |
| 22:40.30 | Xinhuan | kael has random elements, but its not as random as vashj |
| 22:40.31 | Ackis | haven't done solly since the patch |
| 22:40.38 | Towbar | like phonixes spawning on melle and tank rightafer tank absorbs a pyro |
| 22:40.41 | Matrix110 | Hes Geddon Nr2. |
| 22:40.50 | Towbar | solarions is easy now |
| 22:40.58 | Ackis | solly was easy before lol |
| 22:41.00 | Towbar | and we killed him prenerf |
| 22:41.02 | Towbar | yea |
| 22:41.07 | Towbar | but now he is a joke |
| 22:41.07 | Mudkips | well i was comparing Kael to Archimonde, Towbar |
| 22:41.11 | Matrix110 | Ackis hes like EASY now compared to before |
| 22:41.12 | Towbar | easier than lootraver |
| 22:41.13 | Mudkips | but I agree with you |
| 22:41.18 | Matrix110 | you could do him with 2 healers |
| 22:41.19 | Ackis | how is kael now that they nerfed him? |
| 22:41.26 | Matrix110 | he didnt get nerfed |
| 22:41.26 | Mudkips | it's still the same Ackis |
| 22:41.27 | Towbar | 2 pallys with macro |
| 22:41.30 | Matrix110 | just Phase 1 is shorter |
| 22:41.32 | Ackis | they changed phase 1 |
| 22:41.32 | Towbar | ./assist solarion |
| 22:41.33 | Matrix110 | that was it |
| 22:41.35 | Mudkips | phase 1 is goes by much faster now |
| 22:41.37 | Towbar | ./cast flash heal |
| 22:41.39 | Matrix110 | Phase 1 was never hard though |
| 22:41.41 | Matrix110 | just annoying |
| 22:41.43 | Towbar | thats all you need healing wise |
| 22:41.45 | Ackis | not hard, just long and takes time |
| 22:41.52 | Ackis | so you got less attempts in before trash respawned |
| 22:41.55 | Matrix110 | mobs in P1 go down REALLY fast |
| 22:42.01 | Xinhuan | they didn't nerf kael at all, they merely reduced the health of each of the 4 advisors in phase 1 by 150k |
| 22:42.02 | Towbar | yea very fast now on kael |
| 22:42.07 | Matrix110 | Darkener ~20sec maybe |
| 22:42.11 | Xinhuan | i.e shortened phase 1 by about 3 minutes in total maybe |
| 22:42.22 | Xinhuan | or 2 minutes |
| 22:42.23 | Matrix110 | but the chattering is still to long imho |
| 22:42.26 | Ackis | ahh so you probably get 1 or 2 more attempts each trash clear... that's decent |
| 22:42.29 | Matrix110 | he could talk while the mobs already come |
| 22:42.42 | Mudkips | lore maybe? haha |
| 22:42.55 | Matrix110 | Mudkips but the mob could come while hes talking:P |
| 22:43.07 | Matrix110 | He talks like 15sec THEN the mob comes |
| 22:43.12 | Matrix110 | he could come after 5sec and talk goes on |
| 22:43.18 | Mudkips | submit to Raid & Dungeons :P |
| 22:43.26 | Matrix110 | idc |
| 22:43.30 | Ackis | we had trouble with najentus last night... no shadow priests and i'm the only priest and not even CoH specced =/ |
| 22:43.35 | Matrix110 | we stop doing Kael soon :P |
| 22:43.49 | Mudkips | Kael is the new Ragnaros anyway |
| 22:43.53 | Mudkips | eh? |
| 22:44.48 | Matrix110 | Najentus is pretty annoying-.- |
| 22:44.49 | Towbar | you cannot compare a 4 minsute tank and spank aoe some adds fight to kael! |
| 22:45.14 | Mudkips | ya you can |
| 22:45.16 | Matrix110 | i get like all Needle Spine thingies or whatever they are called |
| 22:45.17 | Mudkips | nobody wants to clear TK |
| 22:45.29 | Mudkips | but everyone wants to kill Kael |
| 22:45.32 | Mudkips | just like MC |
| 22:45.38 | Towbar | i liked MC |
| 22:45.40 | Matrix110 | the thing that makes Kael so DAMN annoying is basically the trash infront of him |
| 22:45.45 | Mudkips | take that back |
| 22:45.47 | Mudkips | nobody likes MC |
| 22:45.47 | rob` | same thing with karazhan |
| 22:45.50 | rob` | half my guild needs t4 helm |
| 22:45.53 | Ackis | didn't the trash get nerfed? |
| 22:45.53 | rob` | no one wants to clear kara |
| 22:45.55 | Mudkips | ~nightmares incoming |
| 22:46.07 | Towbar | i like altazhan and alts lair too |
| 22:46.08 | Matrix110 | Ackis yes but it still needs the same time |
| 22:46.16 | Towbar | on alts |
| 22:46.16 | Matrix110 | the Frost attack is funny now |
| 22:46.22 | Matrix110 | nerfed from 20k to 1,5 |
| 22:46.33 | Towbar | yea thats a god send |
| 22:46.52 | Towbar | clearing to kael is alot easier now |
| 22:46.58 | Matrix110 | but still takes time... |
| 22:47.02 | Grum | nn |
| 22:47.04 | Matrix110 | for learning kael its annoying |
| 22:47.12 | Towbar | and as long as lock remember to fear the hell out of anything that does WW its smooth |
| 22:47.32 | Towbar | perma fear |
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| 22:47.53 | Towbar | learning the kael fight was insane |
| 22:48.03 | Matrix110 | no it was annoying |
| 22:48.07 | Matrix110 | just annoying |
| 22:48.10 | Towbar | the gold spent on that was nuts |
| 22:48.20 | Towbar | took us 3 weeks |
| 22:48.20 | Mudkips | because gold is hard to get in TBC pfft |
| 22:48.31 | ZealotOnAStick | where's a good beerfest guide? |
| 22:48.34 | Towbar | and teh last two weeks of that was clear alar VR and solarion in 2 hrs |
| 22:48.41 | Towbar | then wiping on kael solid all week |
| 22:48.42 | Mudkips | ZealotOnAStick, www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 22:49.02 | Mudkips | alternatively, www.worldofraids.com |
| 22:49.02 | ZealotOnAStick | I've read Blizzard's little bit, I mean a good GUIDE to all the shit. |
| 22:49.16 | Matrix110 | all quests are bugged |
| 22:49.26 | Matrix110 | Elekk quest doesnt work or you dont get it at all |
| 22:49.30 | Matrix110 | Bark quest doesnt work at all |
| 22:49.41 | Xinhuan | maybe they are bugged on EU servers? |
| 22:49.46 | Xinhuan | cos they are all working on my server |
| 22:49.54 | Matrix110 | could be:P |
| 22:49.54 | Ackis | actually goldi s hard toget now that i've started writing a mod :( |
| 22:50.04 | Mudkips | sucks to be Ackis :P |
| 22:50.13 | Matrix110 | gn8 |
| 22:50.46 | Ackis | I've lost about 300g since i've started... 30g full dura repair bills in cloth suck |
| 22:51.05 | Xinhuan | i think i know why running my loop gives constant d/cs |
| 22:51.10 | Xinhuan | /run for k = 35000, 35200 do GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:"..k) end |
| 22:51.27 | Xinhuan | there are like no items beyond itemIDs 34141 |
| 22:51.39 | Xinhuan | so 34000-34200 or bigger chunks tend to d/c |
| 22:51.50 | CIA-12 | 03jncl * r50840 10Skinner/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:51.50 | CIA-12 | Skinner: Fix for Tab Placement issues |
| 22:51.50 | CIA-12 | - Updated EnchantrixBarker, Guild_Alliance & CT_RaidAssist skins |
| 22:51.50 | CIA-12 | - Hook Show function rather than OnShow script for several frames |
| 22:51.55 | Xinhuan | i haven't found a single item between 34141 to 37000 |
| 22:52.24 | Ellipsis | but where have they all gone? |
| 22:53.08 | Bibi | www.mmo-champion.com for the brewfest guide |
| 22:53.23 | Bibi | and the Pink Elekks quest works, you just need to be drunk to see them |
| 22:54.02 | Bibi | (and actually, where the hell did you find a brewfest guide on WOR ? seriously ? :/) |
| 22:54.14 | Ackis | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php#post_brewfest |
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| 22:55.14 | Azure | mhm... is there a list of itemIDs somewhere? |
| 22:55.35 | charon_ | wowhead? :) |
| 22:55.45 | charon_ | or aren't that the actual in-game IDs |
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| 22:56.24 | Azure | dunno.. i'll try |
| 22:57.13 | Ellipsis | wowhead uses the real IDs |
| 22:57.21 | Bibi | the only site not using the realID is thottbot afaik |
| 22:57.55 | Azure | mhm.. 32438.. damn.. not yet seen by the server ;) |
| 22:58.33 | Mudkips | wow |
| 22:59.20 | Azure | if i add 32438 to ctrt it's shown as some lowlvl pattern... weird |
| 22:59.52 | Ackis | is there a list/easy way to get blizzard frame names? |
| 22:59.56 | Xinhuan | what is 32438? |
| 23:00.35 | Azure | The Skull of Gul'dan, at least according to wowhead and allakhazam |
| 23:00.37 | Xinhuan | on a guess, i'm guessing its one of illidan's legendaries? |
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| 23:00.57 | Xinhuan | /print GetItemInfo(32438) |
| 23:00.59 | Azure | not a legendary, but the only trinket ingame that could replace my Tear ;) |
| 23:01.00 | Xinhuan | gives me the item |
| 23:01.03 | NightHawkTheSane | wowhead says 32438 is Soulguard Bracers pattern? |
| 23:01.05 | Xinhuan | Pattern: Soulguard Bracers |
| 23:01.15 | charon_ | 32483 is the skull (3<->8) |
| 23:01.19 | Azure | 32483 .. sorry |
| 23:01.22 | charon_ | g'night :) |
| 23:01.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, THATS the skull of gul'dan :P |
| 23:02.00 | Azure | not seen by the server.. bah |
| 23:02.01 | Xinhuan | lol my server has every item from BT seen |
| 23:02.05 | Mudkips | man I wish we had this kind of barbershop around |
| 23:02.05 | Mudkips | http://www.picklequeen.com/Polish-barbershop.htm |
| 23:02.06 | Xinhuan | including every item from illidan |
| 23:02.45 | Mudkips | nsfw btw |
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| 23:03.02 | Mezir | hey there ^^ |
| 23:03.56 | Ackis | lol mudkips, i wasn't gonna click on it til you said nsfw rofl |
| 23:04.07 | Mezir | i need a little help, im like searching for an addon for moving frames, visor is NOT the thing =/ id prefer something easier (I think there was such an addon once but hasn't been updatet since ages) |
| 23:04.24 | Mezir | i just want to drag for example the paper doll frame and move it |
| 23:04.39 | Mezir | anybody? oÔ (sry for my bad english) |
| 23:05.06 | Mudkips | ò.ò |
| 23:06.14 | Mezir | Ô_o |
| 23:07.03 | Mezir | cookie? |
| 23:08.48 | Mudkips | moveanything! ? |
| 23:09.14 | Mezir | oO is the same thing as visor for me |
| 23:09.20 | Mudkips | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6341-MoveAnythingBC.html |
| 23:09.37 | Mezir | you first have to enter the menu then select the frame and so on |
| 23:09.49 | Mezir | id like something easier o_O |
| 23:09.58 | kandarz | VisorGUI |
| 23:10.02 | Mezir | xDDD |
| 23:10.09 | Industrial | Mezir: the addon cant know about every addon that exists |
| 23:10.11 | Mezir | then the gui has to stay open |
| 23:10.17 | Mezir | doesnt have to |
| 23:10.17 | Industrial | Mezir: you have to tell it what frames. |
| 23:10.23 | kandarz | http://files.wowace.com/Visor2GUI/Visor2GUI-r46769.zip |
| 23:10.30 | Mezir | -.- kk ill try it again |
| 23:10.39 | Mezir | there WAS an addon which did what im searching for |
| 23:10.49 | Mezir | but i hat like 6months ago and forgot the name |
| 23:11.00 | Mezir | <_< doh |
| 23:11.16 | Mezir | and erm i just want to move the usual frames |
| 23:11.25 | Mezir | char frame paper doll bank such things |
| 23:11.56 | Mudkips | onebag/onebank/oneview :3 my favs |
| 23:12.08 | Mezir | <____________< i've got onebag |
| 23:12.11 | Mezir | it was just an example |
| 23:12.19 | Ellipsis | erm |
| 23:12.26 | Mudkips | no Ellipsis |
| 23:12.30 | Ellipsis | yuo probably just want KC_Mobility or moveFrames |
| 23:12.44 | Mezir | o_O i think it was called moveframes |
| 23:13.01 | Mezir | but it seems to be dead or smthn oÔ |
| 23:13.41 | Ellipsis | o rly? |
| 23:14.07 | Mezir | yarly |
| 23:14.07 | Nandini | you're probably thinking of MoveAnything! |
| 23:14.14 | Ellipsis | how is it possible for an addon like that to die |
| 23:14.15 | CrazyBenny | Mezir: try NDragIt, works almost same as moveframes |
| 23:14.24 | Ellipsis | I mean, it doesn't take any maintenance |
| 23:14.35 | Mezir | foodpoisoning? |
| 23:14.39 | Mezir | dunno |
| 23:14.40 | Mezir | xD |
| 23:14.40 | Ellipsis | you users are so brainwashed x.x |
| 23:14.44 | Industrial | Ellipsis: because it doesnt get updated! it works like a car! it breaks after time! duh! |
| 23:14.51 | Nandini | well when some frames started causing tainting in 2.0 it made some addons a little harder to code |
| 23:15.01 | Ellipsis | im in ur hard drivez, bitrottin ur codez |
| 23:15.06 | Industrial | ;d |
| 23:15.28 | Ackis | bitrottin lol |
| 23:15.41 | Mezir | BAM |
| 23:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | NOT MY CODEZ! BUT I NEEDZ TO KEEP THEM FRESH! |
| 23:15.48 | Mezir | nDragit seems to be it |
| 23:15.50 | Mezir | :D |
| 23:16.01 | Ellipsis | NightHawkTheSane, if you don't mind the random question, where do you live? |
| 23:16.02 | Mezir | Benny u're my hero |
| 23:16.04 | Mezir | =3 |
| 23:16.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: wow, that's totally random. seattle. |
| 23:16.20 | aestil | whats the name of the new ATSW? |
| 23:16.22 | Ellipsis | *in* seattle? |
| 23:16.24 | Nandini | i use febreeze to keep my code fresh all the time |
| 23:16.34 | NightHawkTheSane | yes. If i look out the window, I can see the space needle a few blocks away. |
| 23:16.39 | Ellipsis | 'cause like, I don't know how far tukw.qwest.net extends |
| 23:16.40 | Funkeh` | Nandini: lolol |
| 23:16.42 | Ellipsis | and I was kinda wondering |
| 23:17.02 | Ellipsis | ...I probably sound like a nerd or a stalker or both right now |
| 23:17.04 | aestil | Funkeh`: have you ever had reports that al'ar's meteor timer is off? |
| 23:17.15 | Nandini | screw WAU and SVN checkouts, i just spray a bit of febreeze inside the case and everything works the same as the day i downloaded it |
| 23:17.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: well i already knew you were a nerd, and meh, i could use a stalker or two, so it's cool :P |
| 23:17.29 | Funkeh` | Not by more than 4 seconds, since it is an approximate timer |
| 23:17.45 | Mezir | oO i got one more question =3 |
| 23:17.49 | aestil | I see, its not like Mag's blast wave Funkeh` ? |
| 23:17.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: you live in the area or something? Or just randomly /who'ing people? :P |
| 23:18.00 | Funkeh` | it is a bit |
| 23:18.04 | Ellipsis | no, I used to live in the area (and had Qwest DSL) |
| 23:18.11 | Ellipsis | and I notice people with that hostname out of habit |
| 23:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Ahh, *nod* |
| 23:18.20 | aestil | we never get 'early' blast waves, but we are getting alot of 'early' meteors. |
| 23:18.30 | Nandini | are you a nosey neighbor? :P |
| 23:18.49 | aestil | ~seen seerah |
| 23:18.54 | purl | seerah <n=chatzill@adsl-226-107-210.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 19h 36m 10s ago, saying: 'two new ones in Un'Goro!'. |
| 23:18.55 | Funkeh` | aestil: A transcript would be nice |
| 23:19.19 | aestil | that addon is called transcriptor? or can i Just send you a combat log? |
| 23:19.37 | Mezir | is there a way to edit the size of the minimap more proper? like, i use simple minimap und made my map square, BUT id like to make it 150pxls wide and 100pxls high oO is this possible somehow |
| 23:19.41 | aestil | nvm. |
| 23:19.52 | Ellipsis | Mezir: scale it |
| 23:19.52 | aestil | oh, btw, Funkeh`, your Vashj change was full of win. |
| 23:20.11 | Ellipsis | that's what she said |
| 23:20.25 | Mezir | but it scales both at once |
| 23:20.29 | Ellipsis | erm |
| 23:20.32 | Ellipsis | it's square, yes |
| 23:20.38 | Mezir | o_O |
| 23:20.47 | Mezir | hm how can i explain it right <_< |
| 23:20.49 | Mezir | erm |
| 23:20.51 | Ellipsis | you'd have to make your own mask if you wanted to cut off the edges |
| 23:21.00 | aestil | I think though, that the timer for the strider and naga are reported strangely, I think they are timed to report when the strider / naga will reach the top, but in the P2 -> P3 transition, you don't care about when they get to the top, you just don't want to get a 'fresh' strider as you begin P3. |
| 23:21.08 | Nandini | i have a rectangular mask and hexagonal mask if you'd like |
| 23:21.08 | Funkeh` | aestil: glad to hear it, thanks for the tip. :) |
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| 23:21.17 | Nandini | also a triangular one |
| 23:21.21 | Ellipsis | Nandini, you scare me |
| 23:21.30 | Nandini | i made my own minimap skinner |
| 23:21.40 | Ellipsis | well at least you have a good excuse |
| 23:21.41 | Mezir | i like want to make it cuboid |
| 23:21.45 | Nandini | triangular is kinda cool :) |
| 23:22.03 | Funkeh` | aestil: I'm not so sure about that timer either, its no a real timer, but a repeating bar, so nothing is actually triggering it, it might get worse over time, or it might jsut be bad |
| 23:22.05 | Mezir | i hope that was the right english word oO |
| 23:22.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Mezir: you mean, er.. "square"? |
| 23:22.19 | Nandini | to be honest, i was just trying to see how wow does masking, since the only things it works with are the minimap and character portrait textures |
| 23:22.21 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 23:22.22 | Mezir | No |
| 23:22.23 | aestil | hmm. interesting. transcript for that one won't help then? |
| 23:22.27 | Ellipsis | 150x100 would be rectangular |
| 23:22.32 | Mezir | RIGHT! |
| 23:22.36 | Mezir | whats what i want |
| 23:22.38 | Mezir | =/ |
| 23:22.45 | Funkeh` | aestil: unfortunately, nope |
| 23:22.46 | Xinhuan | Funkeh`: actually, you can trigger it from meteor damage i think |
| 23:22.53 | Ellipsis | maybe Nandini can hook you up |
| 23:22.54 | Nandini | you can set a circular mask on any frame, but you're limited to circles |
| 23:22.56 | Xinhuan | would have to parse combat log though |
| 23:22.59 | Funkeh` | Xinhuan: hmm nice idea |
| 23:23.15 | Nandini | do you want a horizontal rectangle or vertical rectangle mask ellipsis |
| 23:23.20 | Funkeh` | I don't think its so much the trigger though. |
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| 23:23.23 | Nandini | 150x100 is horizontal |
| 23:23.27 | Funkeh` | More of the actualy randomness in the timer |
| 23:23.32 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 23:23.42 | Xinhuan | but i noticed nothing wrong today with my alar kill with the timer |
| 23:23.46 | Mezir | o_O would a screenshot help to understand what i just want to do? |
| 23:23.52 | Xinhuan | just a thought about the meteor damage still |
| 23:23.59 | Nandini | and your minimap scaled to 1.0 is actually 140 screen screen units, so you'd have to scale it up slightly to get it 150 wide |
| 23:24.00 | Mezir | ...and some paint skills :D |
| 23:24.03 | aestil | Funkeh`: its just that we were basically getting a 'meteor soon' warning, but the bird was already on the ground, 'meteor down' as we say in vent. |
| 23:24.06 | Xinhuan | its gauranteed to land on someone right? |
| 23:24.14 | Nandini | sure mezir |
| 23:24.22 | Erica | Pitbull question... is the copy profiles option supposed to be working now? Bugsack explodes when I try to do that |
| 23:24.23 | Funkeh` | yes Xinhuan |
| 23:24.41 | Xinhuan | meaning you can't run away from it if it chooses to land on you |
| 23:24.54 | Ellipsis | Erica: it's a known issue >_> |
| 23:25.00 | Nandini | Erica: you could try saving your layout at the very least, then uninstalling PB and nuking its saved variables |
| 23:25.32 | aestil | Ellipsis: do you remember the name of the ATSW type mod that seerah was talking about? |
| 23:25.33 | Funkeh` | Xinhuan: aye |
| 23:25.33 | Nandini | i have gotten pretty fast at setting mine up from scratch after doing it half a dozen times tho :) |
| 23:25.37 | Erica | ok thanks Any point in adding a feature request for that? |
| 23:25.39 | Ellipsis | aestil: you mean Skillet? |
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| 23:25.44 | aestil | yes! |
| 23:25.48 | Ellipsis | =] |
| 23:25.57 | aestil | thats on the WAU? or wowi? |
| 23:26.02 | Ellipsis | wowi IIRC |
| 23:26.26 | aestil | i might go get another caffinated beverage. |
| 23:26.35 | Ellipsis | bring me one too |
| 23:26.36 | Nandini | aestil: it's called skillet |
| 23:26.43 | Nandini | oops ellipsis beat me to it. LOL |
| 23:26.44 | Ellipsis | ~fail Nandini |
| 23:26.45 | purl | Nandini: Fail. |
| 23:26.50 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 23:26.54 | Erica | ooooh caffeine sounds really good :) Thanks for your help |
| 23:27.24 | aestil | Ellipsis: remember that one time when you said i failed, and then purl said you failed? it was full of win. |
| 23:27.30 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 23:27.53 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50841 10LibRockConfig-1.0/LibRockConfig-1.0.lua: LibRockConfig-1.0 - bugfix |
| 23:28.24 | aestil | is transcripter like loggerhead? |
| 23:29.00 | durcyn | no, loggerhead manages the builtin logger, transcript records in its own format for bossmod coding |
| 23:29.05 | buu | So.. |
| 23:29.09 | buu | Tooltips. |
| 23:29.17 | aestil | durcyn: i mean, more, is its useage similar? |
| 23:29.41 | aestil | what is a sanity check system? |
| 23:29.54 | durcyn | aestil: uh, no. transcriptor is a specific subset of events. |
| 23:31.06 | CIA-12 | 03ckknight * r50842 10LibRockComm-1.0/LibRockComm-1.0.lua: LibRockComm-1.0 - add options to disable talent and addon version requests. |
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| 23:31.45 | ckknight | now no more bitching |
| 23:31.52 | Mezir | 12O14k |
| 23:31.59 | ckknight | no colors |
| 23:32.01 | Ellipsis | ...and no colorful scripts |
| 23:32.14 | buu | Is there any chance I can make this 'wow ace updater' thingy give me a list of plugins that aren't ace type thingies? |
| 23:32.21 | Mezir | i hope that helps understanding what i just want |
| 23:32.23 | Mezir | http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2307/hmpo6.jpg |
| 23:33.02 | ckknight | Mezir: you can't |
| 23:33.17 | Mezir | =/ just what i thought |
| 23:33.18 | ckknight | well, you could if you chopped off the top and bottom parts and scaled it, theoretically |
| 23:33.22 | Mezir | *sigh* |
| 23:33.48 | Mezir | and theres no way to do that |
| 23:33.48 | buu | Mezir: Why don't you just.. slide the other bits closer together? |
| 23:33.54 | Nandini | Mezir you won't actually see MORE, you will see less |
| 23:34.02 | Nandini | yes, why don't you just pull the sides in? |
| 23:34.06 | Mezir | its just for the looks |
| 23:34.56 | Mezir | not so bad |
| 23:35.03 | Nandini | hmm if you're using simpleminimap, the square size will be clamped to the screen always, no mater what mask you use |
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| 23:35.25 | Mezir | well what do you think? is my interface o.k.? |
| 23:35.27 | Nandini | so i don't think it will be possible for you to use a rectangular mask |
| 23:35.45 | Nandini | only you can say if your interface is ok, does it work well for you? if so, great :) |
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| 23:36.13 | Mezir | it works great quite easy to use |
| 23:36.16 | Nandini | you could just scale UP your map until it is as wide as you want, then move it behind all the other elements |
| 23:36.22 | Mezir | but i mean the looks, any ideas? |
| 23:36.44 | Nandini | looks are secondary to function, in my opinion, so i'm not a good person to ask :P |
| 23:36.56 | Nandini | even tho i think my uberfunctional setup looks nice :) |
| 23:36.56 | Mezir | atm im searching for a nice border texture for eepanels but i cant find anything |
| 23:37.01 | Mudkips | Nandini lol |
| 23:37.15 | Mezir | do you guys have any ideas? |
| 23:37.17 | Mudkips | this reminds me of those retards who wear belts that don't go into the loops |
| 23:37.17 | Ellipsis | I like it...but I'm a big symmetry fan |
| 23:37.18 | daverick | rock configuration is the most horrible thing i have ever seen. ever since it came around it is 10 times harder to do things, and extremely counter intuitive to a regular user |
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| 23:37.20 | Mezir | wowtextures sucks |
| 23:37.34 | Mudkips | then ther are some who wear two! |
| 23:37.46 | Mezir | oO it is symmethric |
| 23:37.53 | Ellipsis | yeah that's my point |
| 23:37.56 | ckknight | daverick: care to give some suggestions on how to make it better? |
| 23:38.03 | daverick | um |
| 23:38.04 | Ellipsis | like I'll hate on an otherwise great UI because it doesn't feel balanced |
| 23:38.17 | ckknight | daverick: firstly, make sure you're updated and all, my recent changes made it better |
| 23:38.26 | daverick | i really loved the program before rock config. i updated just today and saw your changes |
| 23:38.38 | ckknight | okay, that's not a suggestion |
| 23:38.43 | ckknight | that's just whining |
| 23:38.44 | Xinhuan | lol this "fish eye" effect is soooo COOOOL when you are REALLY drunk in game |
| 23:38.51 | daverick | i'm not whining |
| 23:38.52 | Nandini | ckknight: you mean you reverted to waterfall? |
| 23:38.55 | daverick | im telling you my experience |
| 23:39.04 | ckknight | Nandini: ...what? no |
| 23:39.15 | ckknight | daverick: I asked for suggestions, not your life story |
| 23:39.54 | daverick | my experience blows. ever since rock i'm having problems configuring back to my old specifications, much more difficulty finding settings for manipulating different frames and gnerally having an assload of frustratoin taht i didn't have the first time |
| 23:40.01 | buu | Why is cartographer giving me errors?! |
| 23:40.01 | daverick | rofl |
| 23:40.07 | daverick | get rid of rock |
| 23:40.13 | daverick | *suggestion* |
| 23:40.15 | ckknight | stop it right now, goddammit |
| 23:40.19 | Nandini | as for suggestions, although the color picker turned out to be very functional and complete, it is visually distracting and cramped, especially in a panel where you have many color options in a row |
| 23:40.21 | aestil | daverick: don't be stupid. |
| 23:40.25 | ckknight | you're not giving good suggestions, you're just whining like a bitch |
| 23:40.38 | daverick | fine. i'm whining. but only because your program fucking sukcs ass |
| 23:40.39 | ckknight | "get rid of rock" is bullshit |
| 23:40.45 | daverick | no, rock is bullshit |
| 23:40.49 | ckknight | oh, yea, well feel free to use something else or fuck off |
| 23:40.52 | daverick | it was simple and easy to use |
| 23:40.53 | Ellipsis | daverick, he can't just magically read your mind and create your ideal interface |
| 23:41.01 | Nandini | i would suggest using a swatch and color picker, it is a tried and true UI convention |
| 23:41.03 | ckknight | I don't care if you don't use my addon |
| 23:41.06 | buu | ckknight: http://erxz.com/pb/4597 ! |
| 23:41.07 | aestil | daverick: its simipler, and easier to use now. |
| 23:41.12 | daverick | it's not actually |
| 23:41.14 | Nandini | but keep all those nice color controls in the color picker |
| 23:41.19 | ckknight | Nandini: I use a swatch, are you asking for a color wheel? |
| 23:41.19 | Mudkips | use your op and just .k |
| 23:41.25 | Mudkips | then .b |
| 23:41.31 | Nandini | no, i mean only display a swatch as the control in the panel |
| 23:41.37 | daverick | it's actually much more difficult |
| 23:41.38 | Nandini | pop up your color picker panel when it's clicked |
| 23:41.39 | ckknight | and then have a popup? |
| 23:41.42 | ckknight | ick |
| 23:41.45 | ckknight | I don't like popups |
| 23:41.48 | aestil | daverick: then go use x-perl or something? |
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| 23:42.04 | buu | ckknight: Isn't cartographer your fault? |
| 23:42.05 | ckknight | daverick: yea, feel free to use something else, nothing stops you |
| 23:42.17 | ckknight | buu: lemme take a look |
| 23:42.20 | daverick | i'm just saying that it ruined my use of pitbull which i loved |
| 23:42.28 | Ellipsis | well if you want him to fix it, tell him how |
| 23:42.34 | hyperChipmunk | i think his suggestion is go back to the old configuration system, with dropdowns |
| 23:42.41 | aestil | daverick: yay, ok. now go use x-perl then? clearly you can't get past this, or learn how to use it. |
| 23:42.43 | hyperChipmunk | one that i frankly agree with |
| 23:42.51 | ckknight | ick, buu, how do I reproduce? |
| 23:42.52 | Mudkips | but saying how much things suck is easier Elli |
| 23:42.56 | Ellipsis | ckknight: ... |
| 23:42.58 | buu | ckknight: Thanks =] |
| 23:43.04 | buu | ckknight: Er, I get it when I load wow. |
| 23:43.08 | ckknight | :-( |
| 23:43.09 | ckknight | I don't |
| 23:43.09 | aestil | hyperChipmunk: no, his suggestion is 'rock sucks' thats pretty retarded feedback, if something sucks, stop doing/using it. |
| 23:43.24 | daverick | i'm saying when i should shift-click on frames and cofigure that way quickly, and easily cycle through frame config with a minimap icon it was way fsater than jumping into a rock config and going through 10 options in order to change the fucking size of a my party bar |
| 23:43.32 | Nandini | it is hard for me to see the coordination of several colors in one panel when there is 6 to 8 times more color in the picker next to it |
| 23:43.34 | buu | ckknight: Is there anyway for me to get more information for you? |
| 23:43.38 | hyperChipmunk | no, he said that it used to be easy, now it's hard; go back to how it used to be because easy is better |
| 23:43.43 | ckknight | daverick: you can still shift-click on the frames... |
| 23:43.44 | buu | ckknight: Or perhaps it is conflicting with another addon? |
| 23:43.47 | daverick | exactly |
| 23:43.49 | daverick | it was easier |
| 23:43.51 | daverick | now it's harder |
| 23:44.03 | daverick | it'sn ot better because it's organized....it's longer and more confusing |
| 23:44.10 | aestil | oh noes. |
| 23:44.17 | aestil | what will you do? |
| 23:44.20 | NightHawkTheSane | daverick: you have three options: 1 - make intelligent and thought out feature requests/suggestiions for ckknight, and hope he decides to implement them. b) learn to code and do it your own damn self. 3) use another unit frame addon. Now pick one and stop whining. I like option 2 myself. |
| 23:44.21 | daverick | oh noes? so you don't care about making it easy to use? |
| 23:44.22 | daverick | rofl |
| 23:44.32 | Nandini | daverick, if you feel it is too difficult, there are other unitframe addons, or you can use an older version of pitbull (personally, i do) |
| 23:44.33 | aestil | daverick: i think it is easy to use. |
| 23:44.40 | Wobwork | NightHawkTheSane: You mean 'b' |
| 23:44.51 | Ellipsis | it's really strage, I guess nobody used Niagara before |
| 23:44.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: no, i mean 2) "I don't care, as long as you shut up." |
| 23:44.54 | Nandini | and i even wrote a module for pitbull that i don't use. LOL |
| 23:44.54 | ckknight | Wobwork: I like to go (a) (ii) (3) |
| 23:44.58 | Ellipsis | s/strage/strange/ |
| 23:45.02 | daverick | i don't think it's too difficult, ithink it's MORE difficult, and that doesn't really make sense... |
| 23:45.09 | aestil | Ellipsis: i guess not, i was all over niagara. |
| 23:45.12 | Antiarc | Many people used Niagra |
| 23:45.18 | hyperChipmunk | d) he can come in here to express his displeasure |
| 23:45.20 | aestil | daverick: take NightHawkTheSane's advice. |
| 23:45.21 | Ellipsis | well Rock is like... Niagara with cheese |
| 23:45.22 | Wobwork | NightHawkTheSane: no you didn't =P |
| 23:45.25 | Ellipsis | IMO |
| 23:45.29 | Wobwork | you had 1), b), 3) |
| 23:45.31 | Antiarc | However, the ability to use dropdowns (Dewdrop) or dialogs (Niagra) is what made configuration so easy. |
| 23:45.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobwork: i know what i said. :) |
| 23:45.49 | Mudkips | I liked dropdowns for my fubar addons ;-: |
| 23:45.52 | Mudkips | that's about it |
| 23:45.55 | Antiarc | Not that each doesn't have its strengths, but being able to pick between them as needed is what I - and I think many other people - miss. |
| 23:45.59 | *** part/#wowace chrisa (n=chris@nullcode.org) |
| 23:46.04 | Ellipsis | *shrug* |
| 23:46.09 | aestil | Antiarc: pretty sure we'll get a dewdrop lib eventually. |
| 23:46.21 | Ackis | mmmmmmm cheese |
| 23:46.22 | Ellipsis | I'll admit, changing ClockFu settings with RockConfig makes me giggle |
| 23:46.25 | Ellipsis | but I can wait |
| 23:46.27 | Nandini | i don't think there's any reason another addon can't read the RockConfig and turn it into a dropdown |
| 23:46.28 | Antiarc | I suspect so. Just elaborating on what I think the crux of the complaints is, based on my own user experience. |
| 23:46.29 | aestil | if I had to only have 1 for a while, i'd much rather have the 'niagara' style, vs the dewdrop style. |
| 23:46.43 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 23:46.50 | Funkeh` | finished ui .. http://is.funkydude.co.uk/images/raid-04-10-07.jpg |
| 23:46.57 | Ellipsis | I don't want to configure something like PitBull with dropdown menus ever |
| 23:46.58 | Antiarc | The problem is that we had both for a while, so having only a dialog configuration is a regression of the user experience. |
| 23:47.05 | aestil | but Antiarc you' aren't being offensive and rude in your comments, its not nearly as effective as daverick methods! |
| 23:47.09 | Ellipsis | I would probably smash my computer in frustration |
| 23:47.20 | Antiarc | I've also said this like 80 billion times already, but whatever :P |
| 23:47.37 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: and without the insulting tone, look where it got you? |
| 23:47.42 | Ellipsis | clearly you have something to learn from daverick |
| 23:47.59 | Mudkips | ebbs dropdown menus oh lawd |
| 23:47.59 | aestil | Antiarc: yeah, i agree. the idea that dewdrop should be there as an option is fine, but its like. jesus christ, you'd think that pitbull/cartographer/parrot/cowtip all completly stopped working. |
| 23:48.01 | Mudkips | that was hell |
| 23:48.17 | Nandini | having one method rather than two might be a refinement, not a regression |
| 23:48.24 | Antiarc | Well, they are complex mods and require extensive configuration. |
| 23:48.28 | Nandini | in the end, it's just a matter of personal preference |
| 23:48.38 | Antiarc | When you completely rip the known configuration UI out from under the user, it's very unsettling. |
| 23:48.49 | Nandini | yes, take a look at office 2007 |
| 23:48.51 | Ellipsis | change is unsettling |
| 23:48.53 | Ellipsis | users fear it |
| 23:48.54 | hyperChipmunk | yeah, but a good dropdown will have the stuff that needs changed quickly/frequently on the first level |
| 23:48.56 | Mudkips | kinda like suprise buttsecks Antiarc |
| 23:48.57 | Antiarc | Office 2007 sucks ass. |
| 23:48.58 | ckknight | Antiarc: I've prepared a statement |
| 23:49.00 | durcyn | meh. "IT'S DIFFERENTE I HATE IT" is not the greatest response. |
| 23:49.00 | ckknight | "my bad" |
| 23:49.01 | Ellipsis | that doesn't mean you should never fix things |
| 23:49.05 | Wobwork | Nandini: Office 2007 is ... dump |
| 23:49.06 | Wobwork | er dumb |
| 23:49.08 | Wobwork | and stupid |
| 23:49.09 | aestil | ckknight: no, its my bad. |
| 23:49.16 | Wobwork | and I most certainly will never ever use it |
| 23:49.18 | ckknight | okay |
| 23:49.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: yeah, it was a bit unsettling, but once i saw how rock's config was set up, even pitbull was fairly easy |
| 23:49.22 | ckknight | it's aestil's bad |
| 23:49.25 | Wobwork | and actively encourage people to not use it |
| 23:49.25 | Nandini | i was on the technical beta for office 2007, it was MUCH worse in its first iteration |
| 23:49.26 | aestil | ckknight: just blame me. ieveryone in my guild does already. |
| 23:49.27 | NightHawkTheSane | but then again, I'm not a raving idiot, I suppose. |
| 23:49.32 | Ellipsis | no, I'm blaming you, ckknight |
| 23:49.34 | aestil | sorry guysh! my bad. |
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| 23:49.38 | durcyn | what was the line from Cryptonomicon? "Display some fucking adaptability" |
| 23:49.40 | ckknight | Ellipsis: you just want to spank me |
| 23:49.42 | Ellipsis | because my CowTip lines still hate me and you never even looked at that ticket again |
| 23:49.44 | Antiarc | Office 2007 is like a giant piece of ass rolled in a barrel of wtf dipped in chocolate suck and lit on fire. |
| 23:49.44 | Ellipsis | that too |
| 23:49.47 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: nice. :) |
| 23:49.53 | Ellipsis | what can I say, sometimes you just need to be punished |
| 23:50.08 | Nandini | you would be surprised though, we have measurable performance increases at work now after adopting it though |
| 23:50.12 | ckknight | I've been a bad boy |
| 23:50.19 | Nandini | not yet significant increases, but measurable |
| 23:50.21 | Ackis | is there an option for aceoptions to have a command that allows you to toggle between 3 or more settings? |
| 23:50.28 | Nandini | but it took about 3 months of painful relearning |
| 23:50.38 | Ellipsis | ckknight: go to your room! I'll be there in a moment to punish you thoroughly |
| 23:50.40 | ckknight | Ackis: um, there is in LibRockConfig-1.0... |
| 23:50.43 | Wobwork | that doesn't seem overly good =P |
| 23:50.50 | aestil | i told ckknight a while ago, that I hated dewdrop and I hoped it wouldnt' get ported, and he pretty much agreed with me and then said 'i'm only doin gthis because you suggested it, otherwise I was set to provide complete dewdrop functionality for all rock mods from teh get go' and i said ' fuck dewdrop, no one likes dewdrop, i hate it, i poop on it' and he said 'dude, why are you always... |
| 23:50.52 | aestil | ...pooping on shit' and i said 'lol, pooping on shit' and then we started talking about how he needs to write a bag mod. |
| 23:50.55 | ckknight | Ackis: wait, actually, yes, there is in AceOptions |
| 23:50.56 | Wobwork | a slight increase in productivity at the cost of three months horrible productivity? |
| 23:51.00 | Antiarc | Ackis: You want "text" with a validation table |
| 23:51.05 | ckknight | Ackis: type = 'text', validate = {} |
| 23:51.29 | Nandini | Wobwork: it continues to increase |
| 23:51.34 | ckknight | lol, aestil |
| 23:51.41 | Wobwork | Nandini: until Office 2009 =) |
| 23:51.41 | Ellipsis | aestil: I want to have your babies for that story. |
| 23:51.43 | Nandini | i mean that right now, it is higher than it was before we began |
| 23:51.55 | Nandini | the low point was at about the 1 month mark |
| 23:51.57 | buu | Hrm. |
| 23:52.15 | aestil | its sorta a true story, only, at the end he said 'no i don't want to write a bag mod' and then i QQ'd |
| 23:52.30 | Ellipsis | it's ok |
| 23:52.35 | Ackis | ok cool thanks :) |
| 23:52.35 | Ellipsis | I'll let you use my bag mod if I finish it |
| 23:52.39 | aestil | in my version of the story, he did write a bag mod, and then I was happy. |
| 23:52.48 | aestil | cool. |
| 23:52.55 | Nandini | change hurts, but we have thousands of hours under our belts now and we can actually say it was worth it |
| 23:53.19 | aestil | also, i'm pretty sure you shouldn't have my babies, more of me in the world = fail. |
| 23:53.42 | Ellipsis | well what else am I supposed to do, ckknight keeps talking about how he can't reproduce |
| 23:53.42 | Nandini | the babies only get half your genes, so it would only be a half-failure |
| 23:53.55 | Nandini | assuming you mated with win |
| 23:53.57 | aestil | Funkeh`: except for your horrendus use of strange fonts, i like the cleanlieness of your UI. |
| 23:53.59 | Ellipsis | Nandini: no see, aestil knows I fail as well |
| 23:54.14 | aestil | i don't know that entirely, you fail at getting free coffee. |
| 23:54.18 | Ellipsis | the fonts are a bit scattered |
| 23:54.18 | aestil | true. |
| 23:54.21 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 23:54.23 | Funkeh` | aestil: thanks, its my first time changing fonts all all tbh |
| 23:54.25 | aestil | but you may succeed elsewhere. |
| 23:54.33 | Ellipsis | Funkeh`: pick like, two or three, not 8 |
| 23:54.34 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 23:54.40 | Funkeh` | 8? |
| 23:54.42 | aestil | Funkeh`: i'm just one of those 'it has to be easy to read' type of people. |
| 23:54.51 | aestil | and i can't read some of that stuff. |
| 23:54.53 | Ellipsis | also, maybe it's just me, but it seems weird how stuff in the bottom right is right up against the edge/corner of the screen |
| 23:54.59 | Funkeh` | The only font thats different is assessment titels and agUF names |
| 23:55.01 | Ellipsis | when the top has the gap above it on both sides |
| 23:55.05 | Funkeh` | titles* |
| 23:55.09 | aestil | and also... i used to design fonts, and some of those are offensive, like unexpected anal penetration is offensive. |
| 23:55.26 | aestil | Funkeh`: did you say tities? |
| 23:55.32 | NightHawkTheSane | BOOBIES!@ |
| 23:55.33 | Nandini | (thank you for including "unexpected") |
| 23:55.33 | Funkeh` | you wish |
| 23:55.54 | aestil | Nandini: unexpected made it more better right? |
| 23:56.05 | Ellipsis | Funkeh`: the titles on the meters are different than the names on the meters which are different from the agUF which are different than the chat... |
| 23:56.15 | Funkeh` | Ellipsis: http://is.funkydude.co.uk/images/idle-04-10-07.jpg |
| 23:56.16 | Nandini | it just served as a little reminder of how wonderful expected anal penetration can be |
| 23:56.20 | Funkeh` | was the best place to built it |
| 23:56.24 | Funkeh` | the raid stuff |
| 23:56.31 | hyperChipmunk | so where is the option to change where buffs are attached to the window now? |
| 23:56.36 | hyperChipmunk | in pitbull |
| 23:56.37 | aestil | Funkeh`: if you wanna get crazy, then you could make sure that grid and the other panel above that are allinged correctly with your minimap |
| 23:56.54 | aestil | hyperChipmunk: aura |
| 23:56.58 | aestil | i think other-> aura. |
| 23:57.11 | hyperChipmunk | other->aura->what? |
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| 23:57.22 | aestil | where the options are did not change as far as I know. just the config gui |
| 23:57.27 | aestil | 'side'? |
| 23:57.43 | Nandini | side shows up if you enable split i believe |
| 23:57.44 | hyperChipmunk | the 'side option is gone |
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| 23:57.58 | aestil | Nandini: i'm not sure that i can agree with you, as no anal penetration has ever happened for me. so... yeah. |
| 23:58.27 | hyperChipmunk | oh, i see it |
| 23:58.41 | Ellipsis | also Funkeh`: I can't be entirely sure because it's small, but I think your buff timers are in a different font too x.x |
| 23:58.48 | Mudkips | too late |
| 23:58.51 | Mudkips | I went it raw |
| 23:58.54 | Mudkips | in* |
| 23:59.02 | aestil | but Funkeh` i really like your use of what I assumes is eePanels, just that the borders don't all appear to be the same size, and they aren't like.... pixel perfect. which would drive me crazy. nice look though. |
| 23:59.09 | Nandini | the lube is for your hands, i noticed you have dry skin |
| 23:59.12 | aestil | liez! i'm still sitting in my drawers! ass in tact. |
| 23:59.17 | Mudkips | im in yur channelz, ravagin yur butthoelz |
| 23:59.22 | Funkeh` | aestil: my mouse isn't that accurate |
| 23:59.29 | Ellipsis | ~buttsecks aestil |
| 23:59.30 | aestil | layout-cache.txt |
| 23:59.44 | aestil | noes! not you too Ellipsis! |
| 23:59.49 | NightHawkTheSane | you can adjust positions in eepanels by pixel too, i believe? |
| 23:59.52 | Wobwork | MoneyFu is broken? |
| 23:59.57 | Mudkips | yes |
