IRC log for #wowace on 20071120

`00:00.07`	`Antiarc`	`Or [[c:\text.txt]]`
`00:00.15`	`Antiarc`	`Or "c:\\text.txt"`
`00:01.08`	`Chompers`	`oops, i forgot the r before the file`
`00:01.12`	`Chompers`	`hurrr`
`00:03.26`	`*** join/#wowace gnorlish (n=jaydee@cpe-76-170-71-236.socal.res.rr.com)`
`00:03.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive reported http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=4386 and hope it gets deleted`
`00:04.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`mainly because of the stupid paypal link`
`00:05.06`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Arrowmaster: your author name is Broesel?`
`00:05.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`00:05.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`didn't know 'Broesel' was the author of Cartographer?`
`00:05.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`hes not`
`00:06.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ah, nevermind, addon compilation`
`00:06.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`broken compilation too`
`00:06.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`gg`
`00:07.17`	`Chompers`	`'Thanks for all your work Broesel!'`
`00:07.21`	`Chompers`	`what the...`
`00:07.28`	`thul`	`we didn't clear ZA tonight`
`00:07.30`	`thul`	`now i go to bed`
`00:07.32`	`thul`	`cry`
`00:07.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`since i know some of those addons dont even work properly`
`00:07.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah the paypal link is for that broesel guy too`
`00:07.55`	`Chompers`	`:o`
`00:08.05`	`*** join/#wowace gnor (n=jaydee@cpe-76-170-71-236.socal.res.rr.com)`
`00:08.46`	`Provus`	`Does anyone know why Antagonist doesn't track very many enemy cooldowns at all?`
`00:08.58`	`Provus`	`I had a paladin cast hammer of justice, repentance, and crusader strike on me. It only tracked Crusader strike.`
`00:10.32`	`Aeyan`	`Nitpicky, maybe, but I would think you could avoid stuff like "u" instead of "you" in an addon description.`
`00:10.33`	`*** join/#wowace dylanm (n=dylanmor@c-69-241-235-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)`
`00:11.37`	`CIA-8`	`03kemayo * r55484 10FuBar_GarbageFu/ (5 files): FuBar_GarbageFu: LibPeriodicTable-3.1.`
`00:11.44`	`*** join/#wowace dylanm (n=dylanmor@c-69-241-235-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)`
`00:13.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`meh, this wowui stuff is kinda confusing`
`00:14.06`	`Wobwork`	`more stupid`
`00:14.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`its a site thats acutally managed to be worse than ui.worldofwar.net`
`00:14.44`	`*** join/#wowace Viserio1 (n=Viserion@dial-69-55-144-216.sofnet.net)`
`00:15.10`	`Wobwork`	`er`
`00:15.13`	`Wobwork`	`isn't it the same place?`
`00:15.14`	`durcyn`	`i thought it -was- ui.worldofwar.net, didn't they merge with some other shitty adwhore fansite to form an uber shitty adwhore fansite?`
`00:15.27`	`Lukian`	`can anything be worse than curse's constant changes?`
`00:15.28`	`Wobwork`	`"And I'll be the head!"`
`00:15.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`curse isnt that bad`
`00:16.04`	`Lukian`	`Arrowmaster, yeah true, but it's annoying how often they completely redesign the site`
`00:16.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`curse doesnt give the do anything to make money including using ad hosts that constantly have wow keyloggers in them`
`00:16.53`	`buu`	`Arrowmaster: I think you missed a word there.`
`00:17.13`	`Wobwork`	`or a phrase =)`
`00:17.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5926/wowscrnshot111907201240lp4.jpg read the combatlog`
`00:17.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i think i did too`
`00:18.23`	`Aeyan`	`Kick ass execute, right there`
`00:18.35`	`*** join/#wowace Jagobah (n=jago7777@c-76-26-214-71.hsd1.sc.comcast.net)`
`00:18.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`indeed`
`00:18.39`	`Antiarc`	`Probably on a Cheat Death rogue`
`00:24.31`	`Chompers`	`aah sweet`
`00:24.43`	`Chompers`	`i can make it print out the contents of text.txt`
`00:24.47`	`Chompers`	`this is pretty fun`
`00:25.56`	`Diao`	`weird`
`00:25.59`	`Diao`	`urlcopy from prat is broken`
`00:26.11`	`Diao`	`it always stops after the "c" in .com`
`00:26.54`	`Diao`	`oh nm`
`00:26.54`	`Diao`	`weird`
`00:26.58`	`Diao`	`it only breaks in my normal chatframe`
`00:27.01`	`Diao`	`works fine in gchat frame`
`00:27.52`	`Nefarion`	`it's cutting the "om" off?`
`00:27.58`	`Diao`	`it's cutting everything after the om`
`00:28.05`	`Diao`	`so all i see is like`
`00:28.06`	`Nefarion`	`strange..`
`00:28.11`	`Diao`	`http://www.url.c`
`00:28.13`	`Diao`	`and it stops`
`00:28.14`	`Antiarc`	`om nom nom nom nom nom?`
`00:28.16`	`Nefarion`	`is it completely updated?`
`00:28.19`	`Diao`	`yep`
`00:28.24`	`Diao`	`it works perfectly in my guild chat frame`
`00:28.26`	`Chompers`	`hahaha`
`00:28.30`	`Diao`	`which is a separate tab that only has guild chat`
`00:28.36`	`Diao`	`but when i click links in my main chat frame it fails`
`00:28.40`	`Nefarion`	`you probably should post that in its forum thread..`
`00:28.56`	`Diao`	`yeah but i usually bug addon authors in here for it lol`
`00:29.04`	`Nefarion`	`lol`
`00:29.23`	`Chompers`	`http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/81/Nom_bridge.jpg`
`00:31.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`AntiarcProbably on a Cheat Death rogue <---- nah, was a druid`
`00:32.59`	`sylvanaar`	`diao: sylvaan has sand today - so just post on the prat thread`
`00:33.38`	`Diao`	`oh wait`
`00:33.39`	`Diao`	`i know why`
`00:33.42`	`Diao`	`it's because i'm in combat o_O`
`00:33.47`	`Diao`	`when i'm not in combat it works fine`
`00:33.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf`
`00:34.04`	`Ellipsis`	`now that's a cool bug`
`00:34.06`	`Provus`	`Does anyone know why Antagonist is only tracking like a few cooldowns? Like I had a couple people use every cooldown they had and it only picked up one or two spells.`
`00:34.11`	`Diao`	`or not`
`00:34.12`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`00:34.16`	`Provus`	`Does it not work as well in duels?`
`00:34.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`i wrote those patterns there no way it can match with only 1 character in the tld`
`00:34.35`	`Diao`	`hm`
`00:34.38`	`Diao`	`it cuts off at random points`
`00:34.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf`
`00:34.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`check the urls that are being used`
`00:34.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`they may be fucked up`
`00:34.58`	`Diao`	`ok`
`00:34.59`	`Diao`	`uh`
`00:35.03`	`Diao`	`my friend did a fake url`
`00:35.04`	`Diao`	`as a test`
`00:35.04`	`sylvanaar`	`hes leaving something out - like maybe they have special chars`
`00:35.10`	`Diao`	`www.superlongurl.com/lol/long/hi/lol.jpg`
`00:35.17`	`Diao`	`and it's cutting off after /long/h`
`00:35.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`is it wraping in the chatframe?`
`00:36.06`	`Diao`	`yes it is`
`00:36.18`	`Diao`	`is that why? :O`
`00:36.43`	`sylvanaar`	`well, if it wraps after it gets formatted then yes`
`00:36.45`	`Diao`	`short urls seem to work fine`
`00:36.50`	`Diao`	`oh`
`00:36.51`	`Diao`	`:(`
`00:36.54`	`Diao`	`any way to get around that?`
`00:37.07`	`sylvanaar`	`use even longer urls`
`00:37.18`	`Diao`	`my guildies like to link stuff from wow forums`
`00:37.24`	`Diao`	`and i can't copy them :(`
`00:37.30`	`Shirik`	`good`
`00:37.34`	`Shirik`	`you're probably better off`
`00:37.48`	`sylvanaar`	`you can use copychat`
`00:37.53`	`Diao`	`ah`
`00:38.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Diao: introduce them to tinurl?`
`00:38.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`er, tinyurl`
`00:38.20`	`Diao`	`lol`
`00:38.26`	`Nefarion`	`was about to suggest tinyurl =)`
`00:38.37`	`Gngsk`	`tin cans + string`
`00:38.43`	`Nefarion`	`they really should be linking witht hat in wow anyway for those of us without chat url mods`
`00:39.39`	`NeoTron`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:39.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i cant do anything about that bug with the pattern matching, its something in the core of prat`
`00:39.46`	`Diao`	`ah`
`00:39.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`although i do know the patterns need fixing again`
`00:39.53`	`Diao`	`well thanks for the help anyway :)`
`00:39.58`	`sylvanaar`	`the chatframe hyperlinks are really just buttons hidden behind the text`
`00:40.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive realized stuff thats wrong in them`
`00:40.14`	`Provus`	`Does anyone use Antagonist to track enemy cooldowns? It isn't working right for me.`
`00:40.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`Provus: antagonist is kinda abaodoned i think`
`00:41.06`	`Provus`	`..it was updated 2 days ago`
`00:41.08`	`Provus`	`That's hardly abandoned.`
`00:41.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`it was?`
`00:41.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`was it a toc update?`
`00:41.38`	`Diao`	`toc update?`
`00:41.48`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55485 10SorrenTimers/ (. embeds.xml):`
`00:41.48`	`CIA-8`	`SorrenTimers:`
`00:41.48`	`CIA-8`	`- Fix externals`
`00:41.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`or a lib update?`
`00:42.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`because i havent seen updates to that mod in a long time`
`00:42.07`	`Provus`	`10-07-2007 was a bug fix, and two days ago was a toc update.`
`00:42.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`hmm`
`00:48.48`	`*** join/#wowace sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@12.179.203.116)`
`00:52.14`	`Gagorian`	`Antiarc: ping`
`00:52.17`	`Antiarc`	`pong`
`00:52.37`	`Gagorian`	`You added recently some ability specific threat API to Threat, right?`
`00:52.52`	`Gagorian`	`I've been asked to implement average threat for abilities in DrDamage`
`00:53.11`	`Gagorian`	`Do you have API for something if I passed spell name, rank and average damage`
`00:53.15`	`Gagorian`	`That I'd get the threat back`
`00:53.24`	`Gagorian`	`average threat that is`
`00:55.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`since you're here gagorian - I have a dwarf priest, what would be the best method for me to determine the Chastise coefficient?`
`00:55.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`considering that it's a 30s cooldown :(`
`00:56.00`	`Gagorian`	`Find someone to do the dirty work for you ;)`
`00:56.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hah!`
`00:56.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh... well i'm here to do some dirty work for you ;)`
`00:56.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`KarlThePagan: patience, lots of it.`
`00:56.28`	`Gagorian`	`Yeah, maximize +damage`
`00:56.31`	`*** join/#wowace dylanm (n=dylanmor@c-69-241-235-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)`
`00:56.33`	`Gagorian`	`Normalize conditions`
`00:56.42`	`Gagorian`	`And spam until you got a fairly reasonable range`
`00:56.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`i'm thinking of grinding AV, so that's mostly same-level targets`
`00:57.02`	`Gagorian`	`Well random buffs etc could mess it up`
`00:57.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`true`
`00:57.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`deeprun tram it is`
`00:58.01`	`Gagorian`	`Even with a shorter test it's possible to make an educated guess following normal coefficient rules`
`00:58.13`	`Antiarc`	`Gagorian: I'm working on implmenting it`
`00:58.14`	`Gagorian`	`Then could calculate that and see if it follows..`
`00:58.23`	`Antiarc`	`It's incomplete, but that's the idea, yes. Provide threat guesstimates for abilities.`
`00:58.56`	`*** part/#wowace Krotchet (n=Krotchet@64.178.109.138.dynamic.dejazzd.com)`
`00:59.09`	`Gagorian`	`Alright.. My addon can provide the average damage so that'd give quite a good average if it's run through the same functions as combat log parsed damage`
`00:59.36`	`CIA-8`	`03grennon * r55486 10Minimalist/Minimalist.lua: Minimalist: -hopefully fix tainting issue (blizz added new param i wasn't passing), update method for displaying quest levels in a gossip window to match the logic in autoturnin`
`00:59.51`	`*** join/#wowace grennon (n=jdawg@user-38lm5go.cable.mindspring.com)`
`01:01.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`!api LoadBindings()`
`01:01.02`	`ThraeBot`	`Arrowmaster: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_LoadBindings()`
`01:01.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`!api LoadBinding()`
`01:01.11`	`ThraeBot`	`Arrowmaster: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_LoadBinding()`
`01:02.43`	`*** join/#wowace Neebler (n=BuM@adsl-69-228-116-142.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net)`
`01:03.23`	`*** join/#wowace eXemplar (n=nnscript@124-171-204-138.dyn.iinet.net.au)`
`01:03.46`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55487 10CooldownTimers2/CooldownTimers2.lua:`
`01:03.46`	`CIA-8`	`CooldownTimers2:`
`01:03.46`	`CIA-8`	`- Fixed the pulse icon locking`
`01:04.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`grr my bindings got switched off of per char`
`01:04.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`how the fuck do i load my char bindings`
`01:05.52`	`aestil`	`is there a replacement for surl?`
`01:06.13`	`Ellipsis`	`oh god, are you failing at image uploading again`
`01:06.15`	`Ellipsis`	`:P`
`01:06.18`	`aestil`	`no.`
`01:06.22`	`aestil`	`just want a replacement.`
`01:06.34`	`aestil`	`nothing has made me as erect since the loss of surl.`
`01:06.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`!api LoadBindings`
`01:06.40`	`ThraeBot`	`Arrowmaster: LoadBindings(which); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_LoadBindings`
`01:07.32`	`Antiarc`	`Gagorian: That's the idea, yes. There are two classes of threat-generation abilites: threat from damage/heals, and innate ability threat`
`01:07.42`	`Antiarc`	`(Plus hybrids, like Heroic Strike)`
`01:08.05`	`Antiarc`	`But the planned API will have you pass in the spell name, damage, and/or rank`
`01:08.22`	`Antiarc`	`Then I'll spit back an estimated threat value based on the current threat mods/talents/buffs in play`
`01:08.58`	`*** join/#wowace khang_ (i=khang@dhcp-0-1a-4d-4f-5d-98.cpe.quickclic.net)`
`01:09.00`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55488 10SorrenTimers/:`
`01:09.01`	`CIA-8`	`SorrenTimers:`
`01:09.01`	`CIA-8`	`- Fix externals...again`
`01:09.13`	`aestil`	`woah, Antiarc, you're changint threat?`
`01:09.23`	`*** join/#wowace khang_ (n=khang@dhcp-0-1a-4d-4f-5d-98.cpe.quickclic.net)`
`01:09.37`	`buu`	`AESTIL.`
`01:09.41`	`*** join/#wowace khang_ (n=khang@dhcp-0-1a-4d-4f-5d-98.cpe.quickclic.net)`
`01:09.46`	`aestil`	`BUU`
`01:09.50`	`buu`	`aestil: You mean.. a shitty web based services for making tiny urls?`
`01:10.04`	`Antiarc`	`aestil: Just adding an API method`
`01:10.07`	`aestil`	`buu: surl.se was a place to upload bigish pictures.`
`01:10.51`	`Antiarc`	`I just have to rearrange a few class methods and it's good to go`
`01:10.51`	`aestil`	`Antiarc: why for?`
`01:10.51`	`Antiarc`	`aestil: For things like what Gagorian is wanting to do`
`01:10.51`	`aestil`	`Antiarc: use of threat in different types of mods?`
`01:10.51`	`buu`	`aestil: That's what you get for not owning a website.`
`01:10.51`	`Antiarc`	`so other mods can get predicted threat caused by certain abilities`
`01:10.52`	`Antiarc`	`Predictive threat rather than just displaying generated threat`
`01:10.55`	`buu`	`Oh wow.`
`01:10.56`	`aestil`	`buu, let me use your web site.`
`01:10.57`	`buu`	`That's scary.`
`01:10.59`	`buu`	`aestil: Ok.`
`01:11.02`	`aestil`	`predictive threat?`
`01:11.04`	`buu`	`aestil: Except I can't remember the password.`
`01:11.05`	`aestil`	`whaaaa?`
`01:11.13`	`aestil`	`buu: when you remember, let me know.`
`01:11.13`	`*** join/#wowace Sole (n=chatzill@203.173.141.126)`
`01:11.16`	`buu`	`Ok.`
`01:11.31`	`Antiarc`	`aestil: For example, you mouse over "Searing Pain" and it could show you how much threat it is expected to do, given your current talents and buffs and whatnot`
`01:11.39`	`Sole`	`why do some programs feel the need to start up 10 different proccesses?`
`01:11.42`	`aestil`	`ah.`
`01:11.44`	`Sole`	`processes*`
`01:11.48`	`aestil`	`like dr. threat`
`01:11.49`	`Antiarc`	`Sole: Like what?`
`01:11.51`	`buu`	`Oh, I remember it`
`01:11.52`	`aestil`	`instead of dr.dmg`
`01:11.54`	`Antiarc`	`aestil: Sorta, yeah :)`
`01:11.59`	`Antiarc`	`Except it'd be rolled into dr. dmg`
`01:12.03`	`aestil`	`:)`
`01:12.13`	`Sole`	`Antiarc: Nero 8 runs like 5 processes when its not even on. For background caching and stuff`
`01:12.17`	`aestil`	`i'm not sure i'd find too much use for that, but i'm all for new functionality`
`01:12.28`	`Sole`	`Antiarc: Panda Antivirus/internet suite runs a crapola as well`
`01:12.29`	`Antiarc`	`aestil: It'd be huge for newb tanks, I think`
`01:12.37`	`buu`	`Antiarc: Then you can add a popup to all of your spells!`
`01:12.39`	`Antiarc`	`Sole: Yeah, I hate programs that embed themselves in your system`
`01:12.46`	`Sole`	`Antiarc: so annoying :(`
`01:12.48`	`Antiarc`	`Yes.`
`01:12.54`	`Sole`	`omfg`
`01:12.56`	`buu`	`"Warning! Mr. Threatlib thinks this spell will make you pull aggro! Procede? Y/N"`
`01:13.02`	`Antiarc`	`buu: Hahaha, nic`
`01:13.03`	`Antiarc`	`nice`
`01:13.07`	`Sole`	`just took a look at my process list`
`01:13.14`	`Sole`	`AVENGINE.exe : 68mb of memory`
`01:13.16`	`Ellipsis`	`buu, I love that idea!`
`01:13.16`	`*** part/#wowace Hell-Razor (n=justin@unaffiliated/hell-razor)`
`01:13.21`	`Sole`	`thats the main panda scanner`
`01:13.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`buu: interestingly, you could totally have a cast-bar mod integrate with threatlib like that, and make the cast bar visually distinguish if it expects you to pull agro on that cast`
`01:13.49`	`Ellipsis`	`common sense is the best antivirus there is, and it doesn't take up any RAM ;)`
`01:13.56`	`buu`	`NightHawkTheSane: Yeah.`
`01:14.04`	`Antiarc`	`I use AntiVir. Active processes are...6mb of RAM`
`01:14.06`	`buu`	`NightHawkTheSane: In the world of non-useless suggestions.`
`01:14.10`	`Antiarc`	`Though it has a 56mb VM size`
`01:14.13`	`Antiarc`	`But that's not too worrying`
`01:14.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`buu: indeed. :)`
`01:14.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but useless suggestions are vastly more amusing`
`01:14.53`	`Sole`	`Ellipsis: I mostly done use an antivirus`
`01:15.03`	`Sole`	`just I got a freaky email so Im checking it out`
`01:15.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i don't even have an antivirus program installed.`
`01:15.34`	`*** join/#wowace blay-laptop (n=blaylok@35.136.243.24.cfl.res.rr.com)`
`01:15.42`	`Sole`	`screw panda`
`01:15.45`	`Sole`	`Im goin back to AntiVir`
`01:16.06`	`Sole`	`I remember the days when panda was good`
`01:16.23`	`xyu`	`all antivirus are useless resource hogs.`
`01:16.28`	`Ellipsis`	`^`
`01:16.36`	`Sole`	`si`
`01:16.39`	`Antiarc`	`Not useless, but they are resource hogs, though generally by necessity`
`01:16.50`	`Sole`	`but Im cleaning up my system`
`01:16.53`	`*** join/#wowace nymbia (n=nymbia@71-218-136-127.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`01:16.53`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o nymbia] by ChanServ`
`01:16.59`	`Antiarc`	`I love AntiVir though. Nice and light, and no-nonsense`
`01:17.06`	`Sole`	`and that includes getting rid of useless files that have piled up`
`01:17.09`	`Sole`	`yeah antivir is nice`
`01:17.10`	`xyu`	`I've never had an antivirus software "save" my system`
`01:17.15`	`Sole`	`neither`
`01:17.20`	`Sole`	`but it has helped me clean my system`
`01:17.29`	`Sole`	`my system doesnt need saving, just needs to shed some weight :P`
`01:17.39`	`harl\|WoW`	`arr.. dead. again.`
`01:18.19`	`Wobwork`	`harl\|WoW: Pointy end of sword -towards- enemy`
`01:18.45`	`Sole`	`on another note, I found a fix to make the buttons in firefox on ubuntu not look like win98 :)`
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`01:18.57`	`Sole`	`thought Id share my success of the hour`
`01:19.00`	`Provus`	`Is there any way to get NECB to track the cooldown of psychic scream?`
`01:19.16`	`Sole`	`its a button next to delete that shitty addon`
`01:19.42`	`Provus`	`Unfortunately it's the best there is for what I need.`
`01:19.48`	`harl\|WoW`	`Wobwork: which one!? there are three of them! slash splatter slit`
`01:19.50`	`Provus`	`Antagonist isn't working, at all.`
`01:19.58`	`Sole`	`then tell me about it`
`01:20.05`	`Provus`	`Tell you about what?`
`01:20.11`	`Sole`	`how it isnt working`
`01:20.18`	`Sole`	`so I could fix it`
`01:20.27`	`Provus`	`Well I need it to track enemy cooldowns. But it's only picking up a very very small few of them`
`01:20.42`	`Diao`	`necb is awesome :(`
`01:20.44`	`Provus`	`I had a shadow priest cast Psychic Scream, Devouring Plague, and Shadowfiend on me. It only picked up Shadowfiend.`
`01:20.45`	`Sole`	`is your target only option turned on?`
`01:20.56`	`Provus`	`I turned it on and off to see if it made a difference.`
`01:21.00`	`Diao`	`what cooldown do you want for PS though`
`01:21.00`	`Provus`	`It didn't.`
`01:21.19`	`Diao`	`because it could be 23 sec, 25 sec, 26 sec, 29 sec, or 30 sec`
`01:21.23`	`Sole`	`hmm`
`01:21.30`	`Diao`	`depending on variations in talents/gear`
`01:21.46`	`Provus`	`I'm aware.`
`01:21.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Diao: well, the intelligent design errs on the side of caution and uses the shortest. :P`
`01:22.04`	`Sole`	`yeah for antagonist2 Im going to try have a 30 sec timer for it`
`01:22.14`	`Provus`	`Oh you're the antagonist author?`
`01:22.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`or, at the least, allows you to set the CD within a range.`
`01:22.26`	`Sole`	`but it will gain a red border or other visual identifier after the 23 second mark`
`01:22.30`	`Sole`	`yes I am provusit`
`01:22.54`	`Sole`	`so the 23-30 second period will be a caution zone`
`01:23.06`	`aestil`	`http://ot.erxz.com/Aestil/priest.png`
`01:23.10`	`aestil`	`can someone make sure that link works?`
`01:23.11`	`Sole`	`do you guys think that would be better or more intrusive?`
`01:23.19`	`Provus`	`It would be better.`
`01:23.20`	`Antiarc`	`works, aestil`
`01:23.24`	`aestil`	`ty`
`01:23.26`	`Sole`	`works`
`01:23.31`	`dylanm`	`aestil: Best link imo`
`01:23.41`	`Sole`	`thats a cool tooltip`
`01:23.44`	`Provus`	`Do you know why it's not tracking hardly any enemy cooldowns? I thought it might be related to the duel code but I butchered that all out and it made no difference.`
`01:23.45`	`aestil`	`dylanm: best link?`
`01:24.46`	`Provus`	`I had a paladin hammer of justice, repentance, and crusader strike me.`
`01:24.51`	`Provus`	`It only picked up crusader strikes cooldown.`
`01:25.11`	`Provus`	`It was consistent. Tried it a few times.`
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`01:25.59`	`Provus`	`Turned on debugging to see if I could get anything from that but there was no debug text anywhere.`
`01:27.17`	`\|Stan\|`	`aestil: 4 chat windows are a bit too much in my opinion :P`
`01:27.25`	`*** join/#wowace Sole_ (n=chatzill@203.173.141.126)`
`01:27.32`	`Ellipsis`	`\|Stan\| l2chatwhore imo`
`01:27.44`	`\|Stan\|`	`I got 2 windows`
`01:27.49`	`\|Stan\|`	`1 has 3 tabs`
`01:30.58`	`Provus`	`Welcome back Sole`
`01:31.06`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: YOU ARE DOOMED.`
`01:31.57`	`Ellipsis`	`buu: what no`
`01:32.04`	`Ellipsis`	`halp someone decurse me`
`01:32.13`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: Use your fel hunter newb.`
`01:32.15`	`Wobwork`	`doom doom doomy doom doom?`
`01:32.21`	`buu`	`Well, if only that worked on curses =[`
`01:32.23`	`Ellipsis`	`devour works on curses now?!`
`01:32.26`	`buu`	`NO.`
`01:32.28`	`buu`	`But I can pretend.`
`01:32.34`	`Ellipsis`	`you suck at pretending`
`01:32.39`	`buu`	`In the world where I can cast doom on players, my felhunter can eat curses.`
`01:32.56`	`Ellipsis`	`which then makes it pointless and stupid to cast it on another lock`
`01:32.59`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: So anyway, I was in this 3s match and the other team totally dispelled UA. Twice.`
`01:33.05`	`\|Stan\|`	`aestil: got an infight shot?`
`01:33.13`	`Ellipsis`	`I think within one minute I'll notice it's on me and summon my felpuppy to eat it`
`01:33.19`	`Provus`	`buu: Doesn't Siphon Life look like UA now?`
`01:33.23`	`Ellipsis`	`no`
`01:33.51`	`buu`	`Provus: Yeah, actually it does.`
`01:33.55`	`Ellipsis`	`?!`
`01:33.57`	`Provus`	`That might be why`
`01:34.04`	`buu`	`Provus: This was before that.`
`01:34.08`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: I'm going to cast it on level 29 warlocks.`
`01:34.08`	`Provus`	`Oh.`
`01:34.10`	`Ellipsis`	`am I missing something`
`01:34.21`	`Ellipsis`	`one is green the other is orangey`
`01:34.28`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: the graphical effect from being affected by SL is the same as UA.. ish.`
`01:34.32`	`Ellipsis`	`oh...wtf?`
`01:34.41`	`buu`	`You get that glowy swirly shit around you.`
`01:34.45`	`buu`	`aestil: What bag mod is that?`
`01:34.53`	`Ellipsis`	`who dispells by looking at the 3D world...`
`01:35.04`	`Ellipsis`	`look at unit frame, see debuff icon, ???, profit`
`01:36.30`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: Yeah, probably. Anyway, it's pretty funny watching paladins blow up.`
`01:36.49`	`Ellipsis`	`I'll take your word for it`
`01:36.49`	`Provus`	`Sole: It seems to be tracking Shadow Word: Death as well.`
`01:37.39`	`Provus`	`However it's only tracking it at 6 seconds`
`01:37.43`	`Provus`	`The cooldown should be twice as longl`
`01:38.27`	`Sole_`	`thats the data file being out of date`
`01:38.52`	`Sole_`	`buu: Im guessing its All In One`
`01:39.09`	`Sole_`	`buu: Im not basing my guess off the text at the top of the bags saying All In One tho`
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`01:39.23`	`Provus`	`Well it didn't track his Inner Focus, Devouring Plague, Will of the Forsaken, Trinket, Psychic Scream, or Silence.`
`01:40.09`	`Ellipsis`	`buu: it's baggins with the all in one profile`
`01:40.19`	`buu`	`Sole_: SEE?!`
`01:40.22`	`Provus`	`Do I have this configured wrong? Is my use of simple combat log screwing something up?`
`01:40.24`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: I see.`
`01:40.33`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: It looks shinier than AI`
`01:40.38`	`Ellipsis`	`I prefer it`
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`01:40.45`	`Sole_`	`buu: :(`
`01:40.46`	`Ellipsis`	`it's a bit lower on the resource usage than AI for me`
`01:40.57`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: AI's grouping ability is .. weird.`
`01:41.04`	`buu`	`And either very limited or very unintuitive.`
`01:41.09`	`Ellipsis`	`baggins does let you have multiple bags as well, which AI didn't`
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`01:41.17`	`Ellipsis`	`so that's another reason I <3 it so much`
`01:41.18`	`Sole_`	`Provus: your combat log addon shouldnt be affecting it`
`01:41.18`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: but the real question is, does it let you hide the damn soulshards?`
`01:41.21`	`Ellipsis`	`god yes`
`01:41.27`	`buu`	`IT DOES?!`
`01:41.35`	`Provus`	`Any clue what's wrong then? Does your's work?`
`01:41.45`	`Ellipsis`	`you make a bag, add a category for soul bags, set it not to open with all your other bags`
`01:41.46`	`Sole_`	`Provus: antagonist uses the combat log events, not the actual text displayed in it`
`01:41.53`	`Sole_`	`hmm`
`01:41.57`	`Ellipsis`	`and voila, you will never see shards (nor empty spaces in your shard bag) again!`
`01:42.02`	`Sole_`	`probably outdated parsing`
`01:42.09`	`Ellipsis`	`unless you go out of your way to click the bag in the baggins fubar tooltip`
`01:42.09`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: That makes me happy.`
`01:42.10`	`Sole_`	`it still uses Parser 1.1`
`01:42.21`	`Sole_`	`no idea if that still works correctly`
`01:42.27`	`Provus`	`What do you suggest I do?`
`01:42.33`	`Ellipsis`	`buu: you're not alone`
`01:42.42`	`Sole_`	`in the mean time, Im using quartz :P`
`01:42.48`	`Sole_`	`you can use classtimer if you wish`
`01:42.55`	`Provus`	`?? Neither of those track enemy cooldowns.`
`01:42.59`	`Sole_`	`yes I know`
`01:43.13`	`Provus`	`That was the whole point for me getting antagonist.`
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`01:43.51`	`Provus`	`I tried NECB and figured I'd just try to add stuff in that it doesn't track but I've screwed around with it and can't seem to get it to.`
`01:43.54`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: I will switch so fast when I get home.`
`01:44.04`	`Ellipsis`	`kinky`
`01:44.13`	`Sole_`	`^ lol`
`01:44.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`in lua, anything that's not nil or false evaluates to true, yes?`
`01:44.23`	`Ellipsis`	`yup`
`01:44.25`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: Damn straight.`
`01:44.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thanks`
`01:44.41`	`Sole`	`Provus: NECB doesnt track everything?`
`01:45.01`	`Provus`	`Not at all. It doesn't track any cooldown that doesn't add a buff to the person casting or that doesn't have a cast time. Such as psychic scream.`
`01:45.09`	`Sole`	`Provus: that was my problem with it in the first place, it tried to do everything based on an addon that was designed to do a small task`
`01:45.33`	`Sole`	`I havent found anything that tracks cooldowns reliably yet thats for sure`
`01:45.45`	`Sole`	`antagonist did but I let it slip with the patches`
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`01:45.48`	`Provus`	`Well I'm kind of left high and dry here because there don't seem to be any addons that aren't private (cough MagicTrack) that track all your enemy's cooldowns.`
`01:45.49`	`Sole`	`cooldowns have changed now`
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`01:46.41`	`Provus`	`Apparently someone named deedoubleyou/deedub/DW coded a private addon for arena called MagicTrack and only a handful of people have it, it's been in a couple of pvp videos. I haven't been able to find it.`
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`01:48.07`	`Sole`	`yeah I know the people`
`01:48.54`	`*** join/#wowace Sole_ (n=chatzill@203.173.141.126)`
`01:49.03`	`Sole_`	`sorry net dropped me again`
`01:49.08`	`Sole_`	`I know the people`
`01:49.14`	`Sole_`	`I pvp with that guild on occasion`
`01:49.14`	`Provus`	`If you're making Antagonist2 I have a handful of things I could tell you that I would want from a enemy cooldown tracker. Forgoing being able to individually customize everything (which I imagine would be a lot of work). That feature you mentioned with the 'danger zone' when the minimum cooldown possibility is reached is very nice. Class color coding would be nice. Being able to track diminishing returns is also something really desired.`
`01:49.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`so, if you create a frame via CreateFrame() is the default state shown or hidden?`
`01:49.40`	`Sole_`	`class color coding exists in antagonist`
`01:49.42`	`Sole_`	`I think`
`01:49.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`s/so, //`
`01:49.57`	`Sole_`	`NightHawkTheSane: hidden I think`
`01:49.58`	`Provus`	`Well I haven't really explored too far into it, I spent most of my time trying to get it to workk.`
`01:50.03`	`NivFreak`	`oh man`
`01:50.14`	`Sole_`	`NightHawkTheSane: because theres no visual frame yet anyway`
`01:50.14`	`NivFreak`	`they reimplementing the combat log in 2.4?`
`01:50.22`	`Sole_`	`say what?`
`01:50.23`	`NivFreak`	`sounds like that will be a fun addon day!`
`01:50.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Sole_: thanks`
`01:50.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`NivFreak: yes`
`01:50.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`NivFreak: welcome to several months ago.`
`01:50.41`	`Provus`	`I don't suppose you have access to MagicTrack?`
`01:50.42`	`buu`	`Yay new awesome combatlogs`
`01:50.50`	`buu`	`Enemy IDs for everyone!`
`01:50.53`	`Sole_`	`Provus: no I dont`
`01:51.01`	`NivFreak`	`NightHawkTheSane: I don't keep that far ahead of changes, sorry! :P`
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`01:51.15`	`Sole_`	`Provus: but Im delaying antagonist2 until I see the new combat log system in place so I can design it fully around enemy IDs and such`
`01:51.21`	`Tunga`	`how about giving priests credit for PoM?!`
`01:51.29`	`Sole_`	`Provus: 2.4 PTR is when I'll start :P`
`01:51.43`	`NivFreak`	`is 2.3.2 on the PTR?`
`01:51.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tunga: you want the threat for it too? :P`
`01:51.49`	`NivFreak`	`I haven't been looking`
`01:51.53`	`Provus`	`I was thinking of trying SpellWatch but apparently it only supports enemy cooldownt racking if you have the guy targeted.`
`01:52.54`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ`
`01:55.30`	`Provus`	`This is what NECB says about the cooldowns it tracks. Spell cooldowns: Only spells with a castime or "gains" work. And no, I won't add more spell-checks to support those spells. (Too many complications :/ )`
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`01:57.22`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4064243&postcount=78`
`01:58.11`	`Provus`	`You're having a lot of net problems aren't you Sole`
`01:59.02`	`Sole__`	`yes`
`01:59.10`	`Sole__`	`and Im quite pissed`
`01:59.25`	`Provus`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:00.04`	`NeoTron`	`so they are significantly improving the data in the combat log`
`02:00.18`	`NeoTron`	`but man that will affect a lot of addons`
`02:00.41`	`Sole__`	`not really`
`02:00.49`	`Sole__`	`good addons will be updated and become better`
`02:00.53`	`Sole__`	`itl be a bit of extra work`
`02:01.02`	`Sole__`	`but the changes are very useful`
`02:01.10`	`NeoTron`	`it will affect a lot of addons because it's a complete overhaul`
`02:01.12`	`Sole__`	`new addons will be pure sex though`
`02:01.16`	`NeoTron`	`and yes it'll be a lot better`
`02:01.24`	`Sole__`	`oh yeah it'l affect them`
`02:01.37`	`Sole__`	`but a lot of addons arent being developed anymore`
`02:01.51`	`Ellipsis`	`it may help weed out the outdated stuff`
`02:01.53`	`Sole__`	`so it was inevitable they would stop working eventually :P`
`02:01.55`	`CIA-8`	`03zhucc * r55489 10GemHelper/GemHelper_Localization.zhTW.lua: GemHelper: update zhTW localization`
`02:02.02`	`NeoTron`	`fun with bit fields`
`02:02.25`	`Tunga`	`the sadest thing is i bet recount will die :(`
`02:02.31`	`aestil`	`~seen sirow`
`02:02.40`	`purl`	`sirow <n=Miranda_@p57A4FD68.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 25d 2h 57m 17s ago, saying: 'updated LibCD'.`
`02:02.43`	`aestil`	`cyrect will likely get it work.`
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`02:02.53`	`Tunga`	`he quit wow though didn't he?`
`02:03.36`	`NeoTron`	`~seen cryect`
`02:03.37`	`purl`	`cryect <i=Cryect@pool-72-95-163-178.pitbpa.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 22h 8m 53s ago, saying: 'as seen on tv by KarlThePagan'.`
`02:03.47`	`Ellipsis`	`o.O`
`02:03.51`	`Tunga`	`heh`
`02:03.57`	`Sole__`	`lol`
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`02:04.09`	`Tunga`	`and on that bombshell`
`02:04.22`	`Tunga`	`i've had quite enough of today and it's drama!`
`02:04.27`	`Tunga`	`laters`
`02:06.39`	`kd3`	`woo for info on the 2.4 combat log revamp finally coming out! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1`
`02:06.51`	`Ellipsis`	`o rly?`
`02:06.58`	`Sole__`	`Provus: got a screenshot of magictrack?`
`02:07.20`	`Provus`	`It's part of a video, read this real fast while I look for it http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=74478&postcount=36`
`02:07.39`	`Antiarc`	`kd3: WOOOO`
`02:07.42`	`Provus`	`Oh here it is`
`02:07.43`	`Ellipsis`	`oh god`
`02:07.52`	`Provus`	`http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=42898 The video that has MagicTrack`
`02:07.59`	`CIA-8`	`03darchon * r55490 10GridStatusRaidDebuff/ (. GridStatusRaidDebuff.lua GridStatusRaidDebuff.toc):`
`02:07.59`	`CIA-8`	`GridStatusRaidDebuff:`
`02:07.59`	`CIA-8`	`- initial commit`
`02:07.59`	`CIA-8`	`- Adds a status indicator to Grid for debuffs which used by Raid Mobs.`
`02:08.06`	`Antiarc`	`kd3: It's everything I've ever hoped it'd be. sniff`
`02:08.18`	`kd3`	`"and there was much rejoicing"`
`02:08.38`	`Antiarc`	`Oh hell yes`
`02:08.40`	`Ellipsis`	`that is the most beautiful thing I have seen all day`
`02:08.40`	`Antiarc`	`Bitmasks`
`02:08.48`	`Antiarc`	`I want to have slouken's babies`
`02:09.10`	`kd3`	`I think a lot of combat log parser addon authors echo that sentiment`
`02:09.11`	`aestil`	`bitmasks?`
`02:09.24`	`Antiarc`	`All the new combat data is going to be a bitmask`
`02:09.31`	`Ellipsis`	`wait wait`
`02:09.35`	`Provus`	`Odd thsi is the video they said it was in but I don't see it, give me a second`
`02:09.38`	`Ellipsis`	`you even get to know which raid icon it has?!`
`02:09.40`	`Antiarc`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1 <-- post 9`
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`02:10.36`	`Sole__`	`Provus: what he says is what I'll hopefully alleviate with the caution zone`
`02:10.37`	`Antiarc`	`srcGUID + destGUID = :O :O :O`
`02:10.53`	`Antiarc`	`If we can pass a GUID to UnitName() then I am the happiest person ever`
`02:11.00`	`Antiarc`	`And even if we can't I'm still pretty damn happy`
`02:11.49`	`Provus`	`Yeah I don't see MagicTrack in this video. Alright, but is it safe to assume there's not going to be a fix any time soon?`
`02:11.51`	`a-stray-cat`	`is there an easy way to manage paintchip colors?`
`02:11.55`	`kd3`	`hop on the thread and ask? he's only been ~11 minutes since he posted so he's still probably on the board`
`02:12.05`	`Antiarc`	`Yup, asking`
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`02:13.00`	`Sole`	`I do wish we can pass a GUID to UnitName`
`02:13.04`	`Sole`	`that would be sex on WoW`
`02:13.09`	`Sole`	`in WoW?`
`02:13.10`	`Shirik`	`I believe they already said that you could`
`02:13.11`	`Sole`	`with WoW?`
`02:13.13`	`Sole`	`you get what I mean`
`02:13.17`	`Ellipsis`	`I'd go for with`
`02:13.39`	`Sole`	`Shirik: hawt`
`02:14.42`	`aestil`	`GUID?`
`02:14.48`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[03:09] * Ellipsis explodes`
`02:14.58`	`kd3`	`global unique identifier`
`02:15.01`	`aestil`	`whats going on, what do these change smean for me?`
`02:15.11`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: they mean really really sexy combat log parsing addons`
`02:15.22`	`aestil`	`that dont' hog system resources?`
`02:15.23`	`kd3`	`much more accurate threat/combat log mods`
`02:15.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`02:15.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`you are missing the point`
`02:15.29`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`02:15.33`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`still missing the point`
`02:15.38`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`it means knowing who didn't click at mag.`
`02:15.42`	`Sarana`	`I wonder though if there is a way to get a GUID from a target or the like. I would be lovely if something like Aloft could add a GUID to the unit frames, even if there wasn't anything that could be done with them.`
`02:15.59`	`aestil`	`mag is like, 5 months ago for me. ;)`
`02:16.05`	`Sarana`	`Picturing the old FF style Green Slime A, Green Slime B, Green Slime C thing....`
`02:16.10`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`aestil: the point still stands tho`
`02:16.22`	`aestil`	`yes, but mostly, i like cool addons.`
`02:16.35`	`aestil`	`a mod like recount could be very cool with the information it shows/displays, and the way it displays it.`
`02:16.43`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`it also means`
`02:16.56`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`EXACT damage meters`
`02:16.57`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:X`
`02:17.06`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`(and heal meters)`
`02:17.14`	`RaydenUni`	`is there one hunter leveling build?`
`02:17.15`	`Sole`	`SAY WHAT`
`02:17.17`	`Sole`	`EXACT!?`
`02:17.21`	`Ellipsis`	`and more accurate timer addons (even ones that track effects on units other than your target/focus!)`
`02:17.23`	`Sole`	`keke :P`
`02:17.35`	`Sarana`	`And threat working correctly with multiple targets of the same name.`
`02:17.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[03:17] <Ellipsis> and more accurate timer addons (even ones that track effects on units other than your target/focus!) <--...`
`02:17.59`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`JUDGEMENT TIMER`
`02:18.02`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55491 10SorrenTimers/SorrenTimers.lua:`
`02:18.02`	`CIA-8`	`SorrenTimers:`
`02:18.02`	`CIA-8`	`- Fix for group skills bars not obeying default group options`
`02:18.09`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`HELL YEAH`
`02:18.09`	`aestil`	`Ellipsis: thats what i was thinking. DoTimer that works.`
`02:18.12`	`aestil`	`but new one.`
`02:18.14`	`Shirik`	`sag_ich_nicht: Old news`
`02:18.19`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Shirik`
`02:18.21`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`kill yourself`
`02:18.22`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`right fucking now`
`02:18.26`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: you read my mind`
`02:18.30`	`Shirik`	`Ooooooooooolllllldddddddddd news`
`02:18.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`...can someone kick Shirik please?`
`02:18.58`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`not worky`
`02:18.59`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:(`
`02:19.07`	`buu`	`You guys suck.`
`02:19.24`	`Zhinjio`	`Good evening, all`
`02:19.26`	`Shirik`	`14(2111:1711:5714) �11-� sag_ich_nicht was 4kicked by Shirik 11(bye11)`
`02:19.27`	`Shirik`	`muahaha`
`02:19.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`bastard`
`02:19.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis what are you using for the stabbing`
`02:19.54`	`Ellipsis`	`a bottle of mustard`
`02:20.09`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`bettr be honey dijon mustard`
`02:20.17`	`Ellipsis`	`oh baby, only the best for you <3`
`02:20.26`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`<3`
`02:21.00`	`aestil`	`is there a timeframe for the PTR coming up?`
`02:21.14`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`yeah`
`02:21.19`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`When it's done(tm)`
`02:21.29`	`kd3`	`I expect it'll be early in the week after thanksgiving`
`02:21.44`	`*** join/#wowace Stanzilla (n=Stanzill@p5499592F.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`02:22.01`	`Antiarc`	`Wow`
`02:22.06`	`Antiarc`	`I'm going to have my work cut out for me then`
`02:22.28`	`kd3`	`that'll be the 2.3.2 ptr unless it magically goes live tomorrow`
`02:22.50`	`aestil`	`they need another PTR for S3?`
`02:22.55`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`02:22.56`	`kd3`	`bug fixes`
`02:22.57`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`for the bugfixes`
`02:23.02`	`Ellipsis`	`2.3.2 live would be fine by me`
`02:23.02`	`aestil`	`oh.`
`02:23.03`	`kd3`	`just like they did for 2.2.2 and 2.2.3`
`02:23.08`	`aestil`	`nods`
`02:23.11`	`Antiarc`	`eeee combat log changes`
`02:23.13`	`Antiarc`	`eeeeeeeeee`
`02:23.16`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`eeeeeeeeeeeee`
`02:23.20`	`Ellipsis`	`Antiarc, you need to cut back on the caffeine imo`
`02:23.23`	`aestil`	`so, does this completely eliminate parser libs?`
`02:23.27`	`Antiarc`	`I haven't had any today`
`02:23.32`	`Ellipsis`	`...`
`02:23.36`	`aestil`	`I HAVE 1 REQUEST FOR A DMG METER.`
`02:23.37`	`Ellipsis`	`k you're scary =[`
`02:23.38`	`Antiarc`	`aestil: I dunno about eliminate, but it will cut them down significantly`
`02:23.44`	`aestil`	`I WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE SWS`
`02:23.46`	`Antiarc`	`Ellipsis: rawr.`
`02:23.48`	`aestil`	`I NEED THE TIMELINE FEATURE`
`02:23.51`	`buu`	`S3 in .. 7 days.`
`02:23.51`	`Antiarc`	`scare`
`02:23.52`	`buu`	`ZOMG.`
`02:23.58`	`buu`	`aestil: Timeline?`
`02:24.01`	`aestil`	`yes.`
`02:24.02`	`buu`	`aestil: Can you use assessment?`
`02:24.08`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: DIE.`
`02:24.13`	`aestil`	`can assement reset everyoen's meter?`
`02:24.21`	`aestil`	`and then have segments for the whole raid?`
`02:24.25`	`Ellipsis`	`everyone's trying to kill me, what why huh :(`
`02:24.45`	`aestil`	`or, i'd like a mod that split up the combat log exactly like WWS does. but in game, and with graphs like recount.`
`02:24.47`	`aestil`	`that would be sex.`
`02:24.53`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`02:24.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`look`
`02:24.56`	`Ellipsis`	`only if it makes pie too`
`02:24.59`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`here is the part where you are confused`
`02:25.04`	`Provus`	`Sole: Is it safe to assume Antagonist 1.0 won't be fixed?`
`02:25.12`	`aestil`	`boss attempts, auto named, auto cut, and then trash all stuffed together in one segment.`
`02:25.24`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: the new combat log doesn't really affect that stuff though`
`02:25.26`	`Sole`	`Provus: no it wont be`
`02:25.38`	`aestil`	`i know, there is just no such mod. and i want one.`
`02:25.39`	`Ellipsis`	`2.4 makes it easier for addons to get accurate data in situations where they currently can't`
`02:25.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`sex is what happens after this, aestil: [03:24] * sag_ich_nicht hides Ellipsis in his bed`
`02:25.44`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`stop getting confused, aestil!`
`02:26.01`	`Sole`	`Provus: btw I dont see magictrack in that movie`
`02:26.03`	`aestil`	`since such drastic changes to combat log are coming, maybe a new, very poweful dmg meter is in order.`
`02:26.04`	`Sole`	`Provus: I see NECB`
`02:26.11`	`Sole`	`aestil: indeed`
`02:26.11`	`Ellipsis`	`the actual analysis of that data will likely continue to suck just as much as it does now, unless maybe some cool authors get inspired by the new API`
`02:26.16`	`aestil`	`and the graphs that could be done with this new combat log, could be amazing.`
`02:26.25`	`aestil`	`Ellipsis: thats what i'm hoping for.`
`02:26.35`	`Provus`	`I know, I told you that it wasn't in the video after I looked for myself. Someone said it was, they were wrong.`
`02:26.36`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`WWS is dead in 2.4`
`02:26.38`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`pretty much`
`02:26.42`	`Sole`	`what kind of analysis are we looking for?`
`02:26.43`	`aestil`	`why?`
`02:26.43`	`Antiarc`	`Nah`
`02:26.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`well`
`02:26.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`until it gets rewritten`
`02:26.51`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`02:26.52`	`Antiarc`	`WWS will be kicking because offline analysis is where it's at`
`02:26.52`	`aestil`	`i would be very sad if it dies.`
`02:26.54`	`Ellipsis`	`WWS is improved in 2.4`
`02:26.55`	`Provus`	`MagicTrack exists, but it's not in this video, just someone mistook NECB for it`
`02:27.04`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[03:26] <sag_ich_nicht> until it gets rewritten`
`02:27.04`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[03:26] <sag_ich_nicht> :P`
`02:27.20`	`Ellipsis`	`it won't have to be completely rewritten`
`02:27.24`	`Ellipsis`	`just the parsing`
`02:27.26`	`aestil`	`all the problems they are having with the wws2 addon will go away.`
`02:27.34`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i'll rewrite your mom`
`02:27.38`	`Ellipsis`	`ok`
`02:27.42`	`aestil`	`cause unique id's for everythign will make the chat log thing not need.`
`02:27.43`	`buu`	`aestil: I've always wanted to write one`
`02:27.44`	`aestil`	`needed.`
`02:27.49`	`buu`	`aestil: But assessment seems to do 90% of what I want.`
`02:28.07`	`aestil`	`i need a mod that will reset everyone's meters when i say /xxx reset`
`02:28.17`	`aestil`	`and keeps that data in a timeline, that i can look at whenever i want.`
`02:28.20`	`Sole`	`thats too communist aestil`
`02:28.28`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`COMMUNIST`
`02:28.35`	`aestil`	`i'd rather have a mod that inteligently split the combat log into boss attempts/kills and trash.`
`02:28.40`	`Ellipsis`	`why do you need to reset other people's meters?`
`02:28.46`	`Ellipsis`	`let them deal with their own addons, you deal with yours :P`
`02:28.52`	`Sole`	`yay`
`02:28.55`	`Sole`	`logging on to wow`
`02:28.58`	`Sole`	`stuck at connecting`
`02:29.00`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis it's about timeline syncs of damage meter addons`
`02:29.10`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`otherwise the syncdata is wrong`
`02:29.16`	`Ellipsis`	`...?`
`02:29.22`	`Ellipsis`	`syncing is soooooo 2.1`
`02:29.24`	`aestil`	`because i have a guild full of idiots, who used to think that their tiny range combat log parsing using dmg meters was more accurate on gruul/mag/vr than my 14 person sync'd up SWS.`
`02:29.26`	`CIA-8`	`037destiny * r55492 10CooldownTimers2/Locale/Locale-koKR.lua:`
`02:29.26`	`CIA-8`	`CooldownTimers2:`
`02:29.26`	`CIA-8`	`- koKR update`
`02:29.50`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: screw the idiots. extend your combat log, parse all that yummy data, and enjoy.`
`02:30.06`	`buu`	`aestil: Well, assessment has auto boss splits.`
`02:30.08`	`RaydenUni`	`do you guys have a druid tanking build you could link me?`
`02:30.11`	`aestil`	`yes, they don't listen to me, and their dmg sucks, and then we don't attempt archimonde this week.`
`02:30.13`	`buu`	`aestil: But doesn't consolidate trash.`
`02:30.20`	`buu`	`aestil: But it doesn't do addon communication.`
`02:30.21`	`Ellipsis`	`RaydenUni: there's no one druid tanking build`
`02:30.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`RaydenUni: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Gul%27dan&n=Sodexho`
`02:30.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`there is now, don't argue with me`
`02:30.37`	`aestil`	`it keeps a running log? like recount, and goes back like 5 encoutners deep, or they persist until you get rid of them?`
`02:30.53`	`RaydenUni`	`i just started a druid so i havent looked at the talents that much`
`02:31.01`	`buu`	`aestil: It keeps a log for each fight.`
`02:31.02`	`RaydenUni`	`but none of the lower resto or balanced talents seem to be useful for tanking`
`02:31.11`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`uh`
`02:31.11`	`buu`	`aestil: History is variable.`
`02:31.12`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`wrong`
`02:31.16`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`look at the build, noob`
`02:31.18`	`buu`	`aestil: It does all sorts of other stuff.`
`02:31.21`	`aestil`	`i'll try it tonight buu.`
`02:31.25`	`RaydenUni`	`"An error has occured."`
`02:31.29`	`RaydenUni`	`lrn2link`
`02:31.29`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`naturalist basicially equals 10% more error`
`02:31.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`god`
`02:31.31`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`hold`
`02:31.33`	`aestil`	`T6 glvoes boss, then attempts on tree fucker`
`02:31.34`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`02:31.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`lern2install flash`
`02:31.46`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/druid/talents.html?00000000000000000000050303213232210533125105503001000000000000`
`02:32.21`	`RaydenUni`	`oh interesting`
`02:32.30`	`RaydenUni`	`my firefox plugin didn't let it load because of unsafe something`
`02:32.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`well`
`02:32.42`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`stop using noscript`
`02:32.44`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`it's retarded`
`02:32.47`	`Ellipsis`	`blizzard is in ur browserz, givin u keyloggerz`
`02:32.56`	`*** join/#wowace [AR]Camci (n=enescamc@c-b633e353.572-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`02:32.58`	`RaydenUni`	`i don't have a problem with the us armory`
`02:33.10`	`Sole`	`so apparently Warden is a rootkit now`
`02:33.12`	`buu`	`aestil: Do you use BW?`
`02:33.19`	`aestil`	`yes.`
`02:33.21`	`buu`	`K.`
`02:33.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`no its not`
`02:33.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`people throw that word around not knowing wtf it is`
`02:33.31`	`Sole`	`ok its not`
`02:33.31`	`buu`	`aestil: Just enable 'automatic BW logging' or something inside assessment.`
`02:33.45`	`aestil`	`ok. ty.`
`02:33.46`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`gah`
`02:33.49`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`RaydenUni: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZxhGsfroeuioVxhz`
`02:33.49`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55493 10SorrenTimers/options.lua:`
`02:33.49`	`CIA-8`	`SorrenTimers:`
`02:33.50`	`CIA-8`	`- Fixed an issue where entering no valid colors would cause the options panes to break`
`02:33.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`there`
`02:33.57`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`now i gave you three links to the same build`
`02:34.03`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`ONE of them SHOULD work for you`
`02:34.06`	`buu`	`aestil: I've never really used sws because the interface confused me.`
`02:34.08`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`if none of them do, you fail@internet`
`02:34.18`	`RaydenUni`	`ok those make sense`
`02:34.20`	`RaydenUni`	`thanks sag_ich_nicht`
`02:34.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`np`
`02:34.35`	`aestil`	`sws is pretty useful. it does what i need it to.`
`02:35.07`	`Sole`	`can anybody connect to WoW?`
`02:35.44`	`kd3`	`US/EU?`
`02:36.01`	`Diao`	`blackrock US is fine sole :P`
`02:36.09`	`kd3`	`medivh us is fine`
`02:36.26`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`anyway`
`02:36.28`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i'm going to bed now`
`02:36.32`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`night`
`02:36.39`	`Ellipsis`	`night sag_ich_nicht`
`02:36.43`	`Ellipsis`	`dream of me <3`
`02:36.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`<3`
`02:37.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Ellipsis: what a horrible thing to wish on anyone.`
`02:37.31`	`Ellipsis`	`ouch`
`02:37.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`;)`
`02:38.07`	`*** join/#wowace Lukian (n=wizard@203.171.70.21)`
`02:38.34`	`Lukian`	`:o`
`02:38.37`	`Ellipsis`	`kinky`
`02:41.46`	`buu`	`WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE.`
`02:42.05`	`Provus`	`It's chaos man there's dick punching everywhere no one is safe`
`02:44.59`	`aestil`	`Ellipsis: whats wrong?`
`02:45.10`	`Ellipsis`	`NHTS is a big meanie`
`02:46.05`	`*** join/#wowace LordMat (n=LordMat@68-186-183-90.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com)`
`02:47.11`	`LordMat`	`Is anyone there that could answer a question for me?`
`02:47.18`	`Ellipsis`	`~asktoask`
`02:47.19`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`02:47.19`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=N5REOUYK1H2HZQFIQMFCFFWAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2007/11/18/nude118.xml <---- what`
`02:47.29`	`LordMat`	`cool, thanks`
`02:47.45`	`Ellipsis`	`Antiarc, wtf, I saw the word "nude" and thought it was going to be sexy`
`02:47.46`	`Wobwork`	`"It was all very tastefully done. You couldn't see any of the bits or anything."`
`02:48.19`	`dylanm`	`Well hooray for that`
`02:48.32`	`LordMat`	`When i'm in party/raid I have a group of all members (little boxes with each persons name) and when I'm in raid I don't get everyone, i've been trying to find out which addon this is so i can edit it, does anyone know offhand which one it is?`
`02:48.41`	`Antiarc`	`Grid`
`02:49.11`	`LordMat`	`ahhh, thanks a ton`
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`02:49.21`	`a-stray-cat`	`~seen tekkub`
`02:49.25`	`purl`	`tekkub is currently on #wowhead (2h 59m 36s) #wowace (2h 59m 36s) #wowwiki (2h 59m 36s), last said: 'yea but the way the animation was going it looked like the jets were stuck pushing up, and I was beating on the dashboard'.`
`02:50.17`	`Antiarc`	`....why hello there disturbing link of the day.`
`02:50.18`	`Antiarc`	`http://inventorspot.com/articles/bizarre_bondage_kewpie_doll_cell_8411`
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`03:00.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`bah 4% wipe on anetheron`
`03:01.22`	`fridgid`	`you color textures with SetVertexColor no`
`03:01.38`	`aestil`	`you bumped threat?`
`03:01.53`	`aestil`	`major revision?`
`03:01.59`	`Antiarc`	`Err, no?`
`03:02.00`	`Antiarc`	`Why?`
`03:02.23`	`*** join/#wowace YourMomsHero (n=cirish@ip24-251-191-203.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`03:03.06`	`aestil`	`people claiming there is threat 2.0`
`03:03.11`	`aestil`	`which i know nothing about.`
`03:05.05`	`Wobwork`	`maybe Kenco's writing it`
`03:06.11`	`NivFreak`	`it's gonna be great with the 2.4 changes`
`03:06.15`	`NivFreak`	`actual real per mob threat`
`03:06.35`	`NivFreak`	`omen has made some of our DPSers lazy`
`03:06.57`	`NivFreak`	`they forget the mobs with the same name don't have a unique threat table and get themselves killed`
`03:07.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`aestil: where are people claiming this at?`
`03:08.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`NivFreak: agreed, people in my guild keep thinking its accurate on stuff like vashj striders`
`03:09.11`	`NivFreak`	`they know better, they just get into the habit of watching the bars`
`03:09.21`	`NivFreak`	`I make a point to make fun of them when they do it`
`03:09.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont think my guildmates know better`
`03:09.28`	`NivFreak`	`haha`
`03:09.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`since we just tell them to get omen`
`03:10.03`	`NivFreak`	`The mobs that ice tomb thier #1 aggro target outside the opera in kara`
`03:10.05`	`NivFreak`	`kill a lot of people`
`03:10.17`	`NivFreak`	`man they are easy now that you can shackle them though`
`03:10.32`	`*** join/#wowace kenlyric_ (n=kenlyric@c-68-54-218-192.hsd1.in.comcast.net)`
`03:10.48`	`Lukian`	`NivFreak, indeed`
`03:11.02`	`Lukian`	`I miss the day where you needed 4 people geared enough to hold them :p`
`03:11.26`	`NivFreak`	`We had a hunter kite one until he died`
`03:11.29`	`NivFreak`	`hgehe`
`03:11.38`	`NivFreak`	`sometimes he'd make it down the stairs`
`03:11.57`	`Antiarc`	`We just doubletank the Skeletal Ushers`
`03:12.06`	`NivFreak`	`you can do it, it's just random`
`03:12.11`	`Wobwork`	`are they affected by mageslow?`
`03:12.14`	`Antiarc`	`aestil: There is no Threat-2.0 right now`
`03:12.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`it was also easy to just have dps go back and forth between them`
`03:12.20`	`Antiarc`	`2.4 will see the dawn of Threat-1.1`
`03:12.50`	`Lukian`	`and threat-* will die completely with 3.0 :)`
`03:12.51`	`NivFreak`	`I've seen both tanks get tombed when you doubletank them`
`03:12.53`	`NivFreak`	`it's amusing`
`03:13.01`	`Zhinjio`	`I need regex for a line that doesn't start with 11/15`
`03:13.02`	`Antiarc`	`Lukian: I doubt that`
`03:13.03`	`Lukian`	`official threat meter ftw`
`03:13.08`	`Antiarc`	`Blizzard has said their threat meter will be rather simple`
`03:13.10`	`NivFreak`	`I bet thier meter sucks`
`03:13.13`	`Lukian`	`hehe`
`03:13.15`	`Lukian`	`probably :D`
`03:13.21`	`Antiarc`	`I expect it to be a green-yellow-red stoplight system`
`03:13.27`	`Antiarc`	`Which won't actually give you the spread or whatnot`
`03:13.28`	`NivFreak`	`I'll use it as much as I use the WoW VoiP`
`03:13.37`	`Ellipsis`	`lol, voip`
`03:14.12`	`NivFreak`	`I actually considered using it the other day`
`03:14.17`	`NivFreak`	`when our vent server was being flakey`
`03:16.08`	`fridgid`	`http://www.fridgid.com/rdx/test.jpg <---anybody know enough about textures to tell me how to fix the top shit, it should be colored like the bottom (its 5 seperate textures) I'm using SetVertexColor but that doesn't seem to work like i guessed`
`03:16.27`	`fridgid`	`and yes, the textures are white`
`03:16.40`	`Zhinjio`	`anyone know regex pretty well?`
`03:16.50`	`fridgid`	`i got a giant book xD`
`03:16.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`i expect their threat system to have an api that gives neumeric values but their UI for it will be of the green-yellow-red stoplight style`
`03:17.25`	`dylanm`	`Zhinjio: I'm pretty well-versed. More schooled in perl regex style but lua's syntax is simpler.`
`03:17.58`	`Zhinjio`	`dylanm, I need a regex that finds lines that DO NOT start with 11`
`03:18.03`	`Zhinjio`	`or 11/15`
`03:18.17`	`dylanm`	`For WoW or what?`
`03:18.27`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm parsing a combat log, and someone sent me one that got trimmed to 65 characters`
`03:18.30`	`Wobwork`	`Zhinjio: http://xkcd.com/208/`
`03:19.03`	`Zhinjio`	`Wobwork: thats awesome.`
`03:19.30`	`Zhinjio`	`it didn't get trimmed, the lines get dumped out to multiple lines`
`03:19.32`	`fridgid`	`^(?:[^11]\|[^11\/15])`
`03:19.45`	`Wobwork`	`er no?`
`03:20.02`	`Wobwork`	`hm, unless : is a term I'm unused to`
`03:20.07`	`Zhinjio`	`so ^ also does negation inside a []?`
`03:20.17`	`dylanm`	`That's not lua pattern syntax.`
`03:20.25`	`Wobwork`	`not afaik`
`03:20.30`	`Provus`	`They should allow mages to sell conjured items imo.`
`03:20.31`	`MentalPower`	`lua does not have \|`
`03:20.32`	`Wobwork`	`but then again, who said he's parsing in lua`
`03:20.40`	`dylanm`	`I asked, but he hasn't answered.`
`03:20.45`	`fridgid`	`ok lol nm i've been doing perl too much recently`
`03:20.50`	`MentalPower`	`Wobwork: its a channel about Ace addons`
`03:20.52`	`fridgid`	`i thought lua did alternation? \|`
`03:20.58`	`Wobwork`	`well he just said he needed to parse a log`
`03:21.03`	`Zhinjio`	`that worked.`
`03:21.03`	`dylanm`	`Oh right I did read that`
`03:21.04`	`Wobwork`	`which could be external`
`03:21.09`	`dylanm`	`lol`
`03:21.16`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, this isn't lua.`
`03:21.18`	`MentalPower`	`Wobwork: combat log`
`03:21.21`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm just in vim`
`03:21.23`	`dylanm`	`Hah`
`03:21.28`	`Wobwork`	`See?`
`03:21.30`	`MentalPower`	`I stand corrected`
`03:21.33`	`fridgid`	`it really worked? /patback`
`03:21.33`	`dylanm`	`Way to hold out on us`
`03:21.40`	`Wobwork`	`If I were parsing a log given to me, the last thing I'd use is lua =P`
`03:21.52`	`MentalPower`	`Wobwork: "[23:18:04]<Zhinjio>I'm parsing a combat log, and someone sent me one that got trimmed to 65 characters"`
`03:22.14`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, its off topic. my bad. sick purl on me or something.`
`03:22.16`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`03:22.21`	`dylanm`	`Yeah... sometimes I want to stick in lua just to be consistent and verse myself better in it but... I really prefer ruby and the like.`
`03:22.26`	`MentalPower`	`~lart Zhinjio`
`03:22.26`	`purl`	`cuts off Zhinjio's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper`
`03:22.32`	`MentalPower`	`(just because you asked for it)`
`03:22.35`	`fridgid`	`lol`
`03:22.38`	`Antiarc`	`((((((((if I) was parsing) a log given) to me) the last) thing I'd use) would be lisp))`
`03:22.54`	`dylanm`	`Like I'm parsing md5translate.trs right now and eh.`
`03:22.56`	`fridgid`	`lol`
`03:22.57`	`dylanm`	`Lisp is amazing`
`03:22.58`	`Ellipsis`	`Antiarc, you just brought back a flood of horrible memories`
`03:23.08`	`Wobwork`	`Ellipsis: were they bracketed? =)`
`03:23.19`	`Ellipsis`	`Wobwork: nested beyond your wildest dreams`
`03:23.24`	`fridgid`	`yay for nested quotes.`
`03:23.25`	`dylanm`	`Were they tail-call optimized? I hope so.`
`03:23.26`	`Wobwork`	`painful =(`
`03:24.11`	`Sarana`	`BTW perl would be ^(?:\Z\|[^1]\|1(?:\Z\|[^1]\|1(?:\Z\|[^/]\|/(?:\Z\|[^1]\|1[^5])))) not ^(?:[^11]\|[^11\/15])`
`03:24.26`	`Antiarc`	`"You'll find that the GUID decodes into the type of creature, which can then be matched against data in the WDB cache ... not that anyone would ever try to decode that data."`
`03:24.27`	`Antiarc`	`:O`
`03:24.29`	`Antiarc`	`:O`
`03:24.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Antiarc: sounds like a challenge!`
`03:24.56`	`Antiarc`	`I wrote a WDB parser long ago`
`03:24.59`	`Antiarc`	`It's not very hard`
`03:25.15`	`Ellipsis`	`Antiarc: oh mah gawd ru srs!?!`
`03:25.41`	`Antiarc`	`Straight from Slouken.`
`03:25.45`	`Ellipsis`	`want`
`03:25.51`	`Wobwork`	`<3`
`03:26.38`	`Antiarc`	`That's pretty amazing, actually`
`03:26.43`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55494 10PaintChipsLib/PaintChips-2.0/PaintChips-2.0.lua: PaintChipsLib: Fixed a tiny typo and made it so that you don't have to get each color before it shows up in the var list`
`03:26.49`	`Antiarc`	`We'll be able to actually categorize data into classes of mobs.`
`03:26.56`	`Antiarc`	`Hot friggin' damn.`
`03:30.16`	`Zhinjio`	`bah, this isn't going to work .... still a manual process.`
`03:30.49`	`Zhinjio`	`The ending character on lines that were clipped is not the ^M`
`03:30.59`	`Zhinjio`	`I can't parse it out`
`03:31.02`	`Zhinjio`	`or parse on it`
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`03:31.36`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm only 4000 lines into a 74000 line file. no thanks.`
`03:32.07`	`Wobwork`	`just parse on the end of line?`
`03:32.28`	`Zhinjio`	`hmm`
`03:32.35`	`Zhinjio`	`interesting thought...,.`
`03:32.43`	`Sarana`	`Hmm if the lines that were split don't have windows style line feeds then you could probably use that to rejoin.`
`03:32.46`	`Zhinjio`	`AHA!`
`03:32.52`	`Zhinjio`	`all lines that are normal end in a period.`
`03:35.48`	`kenlyric_`	`victory!`
`03:36.34`	`fridgid`	`<Sarana> BTW perl would be ^(?:\Z\|[^1]\|1(?:\Z\|[^1]\|1(?:\Z\|[^/]\|/(?:\Z\|[^1]\|1[^5])))) not ^(?:[^11]\|[^11\/15]) re: i knew i sucked`
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`03:36.46`	`fridgid`	`i blow at negated char classes anyways`
`03:36.59`	`Wobwork`	`I translate that as "BTW, perl would be painful"`
`03:37.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`perl's only painful to read, not write.`
`03:38.14`	`Sarana`	`Heh... nah that's just the long way to do it... could have done it which negative lookaheads would have been much shorter... was having a little fun after the lisp comment. Perl is great for job security :)`
`03:39.05`	`Sarana`	`(Ended up writing a PowerPC emulator in Perl once.)`
`03:40.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`i should learn perl`
`03:40.51`	`Sarana`	`Ruby or Python are supposed to be the new hot scripting languages... Never spent the time on them myself.`
`03:41.07`	`Wobwork`	`Nor I`
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`03:45.05`	`Antiarc`	`I love Ruby`
`03:45.22`	`Antiarc`	`I loved Python for a while, but I just adore Ruby`
`03:49.12`	`Zhinjio`	`so, its simpler. [^\.\)\!]$ is the detection... that works.`
`03:49.30`	`Zhinjio`	`but I don't know how to make it auto-join the lines together now.`
`03:49.43`	`Zhinjio`	`I used to be much better at this, damnit.`
`03:49.46`	`Zhinjio`	`its been way too long.`
`03:50.12`	`Antiarc`	`Can you provide a bit of the file?`
`03:50.17`	`Zhinjio`	`sure... hang on.`
`03:50.30`	`Zhinjio`	`well, I'll try pastey. I'm not sure that'll be sufficient though`
`03:51.56`	`Zhinjio`	`http://www.pastey.net/77650`
`03:52.17`	`Zhinjio`	`so far as I can tell, valid lines end in ., ) or !`
`03:52.18`	`Antiarc`	`Okay, I see what you're trying to do. Shouldn't be too hard then.`
`03:52.24`	`Antiarc`	`Well, more importantly -`
`03:52.30`	`Antiarc`	`Valid lines start in [0-9]`
`03:52.47`	`Antiarc`	`Valid lines start in [0-9]+\/[0-9]+ to be specific`
`03:53.17`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, even more specifically, 11/15 (since this is all from a single run)`
`03:53.44`	`Zhinjio`	`oh, hmm.`
`03:53.47`	`Antiarc`	`gsub([^.)!]\n, "") should work.`
`03:53.53`	`Antiarc`	`Or " "`
`03:54.17`	`Zhinjio`	`oh, will the \n match properly? hmm.`
`03:54.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes`
`03:55.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`er, well, at least in a pcre it will. >.>`
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`03:55.35`	`Zhinjio`	`it produced the error "\n doesn't work in regexp"`
`03:55.48`	`Antiarc`	`...`
`03:55.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`what regexp are you using?`
`03:55.54`	`Zhinjio`	`vim`
`03:56.01`	`Zhinjio`	`maybe I'll just use sed and see if that works.`
`04:05.18`	`Zhinjio`	`I didn't think sed is line based. hrm.`
`04:06.05`	`harldephin`	`strange. some sounds of my wow sound like they're being played slower now than before the patch.`
`04:07.04`	`harldephin`	`or with a lowered pitch or something`
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`04:08.59`	`Wobwork`	`Zhinjio: :%s:$[^ .]$\n:\1 :g`
`04:09.11`	`Wobwork`	`in vim`
`04:09.34`	`Sarana`	`perl -lne 'BEGIN { $line = ""}; if (m{^11/15}) { print $line if $line ne ""; $line = ""; } $line .= $_; END { print $line unless $line eq "";}' filename > filenameout`
`04:11.34`	`Antiarc`	`" Oh, the combat log text file format changed as well, dumping the text format in favor of a comma separated event format for easy post-processing and analysis."`
`04:11.35`	`Antiarc`	`:O`
`04:11.36`	`Antiarc`	`LO`
`04:11.37`	`Antiarc`	`:O`
`04:11.40`	`Ellipsis`	`!`
`04:12.00`	`Antiarc`	`I may end up writing a WWS replacement for my guild`
`04:12.06`	`Antiarc`	`If they make it easy enough`
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`04:14.52`	`Zhinjio`	`Wobwork: it seems I'm using elvis, not vim. it complains that \n can't be used in regexp.`
`04:14.55`	`Zhinjio`	`trying vim.`
`04:15.17`	`Zhinjio`	`YAY!`
`04:15.28`	`Zhinjio`	`vim roxorz my soxorz.`
`04:15.44`	`JoshBorke`	`vim is the best :_D`
`04:15.57`	`Antiarc`	`Does Control-Alt->Down arrow do anything for anyone?`
`04:16.14`	`Antiarc`	`I am hearing reports of it being a tricksy key combo for certain people`
`04:16.21`	`Ellipsis`	`keylogger`
`04:17.19`	`kenlyric_`	`it is because my thumb doesn't stretch to downarrow`
`04:18.17`	`Fisker-`	`Wobwork`
`04:18.27`	`Fisker-`	`guildbank support working in your branch yet?`
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`04:21.29`	`aestil`	`killed azgablhlaahblah`
`04:21.33`	`aestil`	`buu`
`04:21.35`	`aestil`	`you there?`
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`04:21.37`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v Wobwork] by ChanServ`
`04:21.46`	`Wobwork`	`Sorry`
`04:21.46`	`NoLife3`	`assgalore?`
`04:21.50`	`Wobwork`	`irc crapped out on me`
`04:21.53`	`Wobwork`	`what did I miss?`
`04:22.31`	`Fisker-`	`me asking you questions :<`
`04:22.37`	`Wobwork`	`Oh.`
`04:22.44`	`Fisker-`	`is guild bank support working mrplow branch yet?`
`04:22.44`	`Wobwork`	`What was the question?`
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`04:22.52`	`Wobwork`	`not perfectly`
`04:22.58`	`Obelixprime`	`hey all`
`04:23.04`	`Wobwork`	`since Guildbank api is a pain in the arse`
`04:23.10`	`Fisker-`	`:o`
`04:23.15`	`Wobwork`	`and CursorHasItem doesn't register for it`
`04:23.21`	`Wobwork`	`which is stupid`
`04:23.38`	`Wobwork`	`actually, can someone test that for me?`
`04:23.45`	`Wobwork`	`so I can go post a bug rep`
`04:23.58`	`aestil`	`time for archimonde raids`
`04:24.05`	`Wobwork`	`basically pick up an item in the guildbank onto the cursor and call /dump CursorHasItem()`
`04:24.20`	`Fisker-`	`sec`
`04:25.04`	`Fisker-`	`just writes nil`
`04:25.18`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55495 10PaintChipsLib/PaintChips-2.0/PaintChips-2.0.lua: PaintChipsLib: Make it so you can change previously registered colors.`
`04:25.20`	`Wobwork`	`aye`
`04:25.28`	`Fisker-`	`gonna go to work so see you guys later`
`04:25.29`	`Wobwork`	`try the same call picking up someting in your inventory`
`04:25.37`	`Wobwork`	`should return 1`
`04:25.41`	`Obelixprime`	`Question about bigwigs, my friend has the package downloaded, but when he does a /bw plugins the list is empty`
`04:26.06`	`Fisker-`	`it does :P`
`04:26.57`	`Wobwork`	`thank you`
`04:28.07`	`NoLife3`	`obelixprime: is bigwigs enabled in the first place?`
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`04:30.46`	`CIA-8`	`03darchon * r55496 10Bartender3/ (8 files in 2 dirs):`
`04:30.46`	`CIA-8`	`Bartender3:`
`04:30.46`	`CIA-8`	`- Added localization for mouse wheel`
`04:33.57`	`Obelixprime`	`NoLife3: yeah, he has it enabled`
`04:34.11`	`Obelixprime`	`he's tried deleting his wtf folder, reinstalling the addon`
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`04:35.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`tell him to use WAU and it will deffently work`
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`04:36.49`	`Obelixprime`	`he updates using the Wau`
`04:37.30`	`CIA-8`	`03eternally777 * r55497 10Amanuensis/ (. Amanuensis.lua Amanuensis.toc embeds.xml libs/):`
`04:37.30`	`CIA-8`	`Amanuensis:`
`04:37.30`	`CIA-8`	`* Claiming a little space to work with.`
`04:37.45`	`Obelixprime`	`any idea why the plugin menu would be empty?`
`04:37.51`	`Obelixprime`	`but everything else show up?`
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`04:39.48`	`Antiarc`	`Kindle looks interesting`
`04:39.48`	`Antiarc`	`But for the love of all that is holy, hire Apple to do the UI design for v2`
`04:42.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`bah wheres funkey`
`04:43.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`11:40:39 Big Wigs: Anetheron in ~30 sec! 11:42:03 Anetheron yells: You are defenders of a doomed world! Flee here, and perhaps you will prolong your pathetic lives!`
`04:43.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`look at timestamps`
`04:45.34`	`CIA-8`	`03eternally777 * r55498 10Amanuensis/ (. libs/):`
`04:45.34`	`CIA-8`	`Amanuensis:`
`04:45.34`	`CIA-8`	`* Setting up externals`
`04:46.37`	`NoLife3`	`did you kill archi ant?`
`04:48.29`	`Antiarc`	`Not yet`
`04:48.46`	`aestil`	`lol at archimonde`
`04:48.50`	`aestil`	`thats a really funny wipe`
`04:49.15`	`aestil`	`really takes 'pew pew' to the next level`
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`04:49.50`	`NoLife3`	`its not bad`
`04:54.21`	`CIA-8`	`03nymbia 07Ace3 * r55499 10Quartz/ (20 files in 15 dirs):`
`04:54.21`	`CIA-8`	`Quartz:`
`04:54.21`	`CIA-8`	`- Baby steps.`
`04:54.21`	`CIA-8`	`- Use AceLocale-3.0.`
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`04:55.46`	`Antiarc`	`AR OH EF EL`
`04:55.48`	`Antiarc`	`http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=macro&m=641`
`04:55.52`	`Antiarc`	`Check out that leet macro`
`04:56.02`	`Antiarc`	`And then consider that you can't dodge attacks made from behind`
`04:56.32`	`nymbia`	`pro`
`04:58.48`	`JoshBorke`	`pastamancer: fix your armory tools`
`04:59.13`	`Xinhuan`	`it could be mildly useful`
`04:59.17`	`Xinhuan`	`if you're running into mobs in front ;p`
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`05:01.30`	`NoLife3`	`it must have taken the guy serious tought to think about that macro`
`05:04.13`	`aestil`	`we fail at spreading out for archimnode`
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`05:05.50`	`NoLife3`	`its only your first tries on him it will get better`
`05:06.01`	`CIA-8`	`03next96 * r55500 10Talented_Data/Talented_Data_koKR.lua:`
`05:06.01`	`CIA-8`	`Talented_Data :`
`05:06.01`	`CIA-8`	`- Update locale koKR (by dagurim, zainph)`
`05:06.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`fuck, this is the 2nd time today ive crashed and had to reboot while running wow`
`05:12.04`	`Diao`	`o_O`
`05:12.08`	`Diao`	`bluescreen?`
`05:12.25`	`Arcaia`	`is there a way to move gladiator?`
`05:12.35`	`Diao`	`alt-drag`
`05:12.39`	`Arcaia`	`- the addon`
`05:12.51`	`Arcaia`	`ahh thanks SOOOOO much ;P`
`05:14.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`not even bluescreen`
`05:14.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`first time was just everything froze`
`05:15.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`2nd time sound stoped and screen went blank and wasnt sending a signal to monitor at all, pushing reset didnt do anything so i had to hold down power`
`05:18.36`	`Sarana`	`Hardware problem? Overheating?`
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`05:19.49`	`Sn0wcrash`	`so i have a strange issue`
`05:19.55`	`Sn0wcrash`	`with bigwigs`
`05:20.16`	`Sn0wcrash`	`boss mods don't seem to enable (like before it would flash XXX boss mod enabled)`
`05:20.23`	`Sn0wcrash`	`and i have no timer bars`
`05:20.44`	`Sn0wcrash`	`i have deleted all wigs. files in my wtf directory and all the folders from the addons directory`
`05:21.37`	`MentalPower`	`did you delete them while WoW was completely closed?`
`05:21.40`	`Sn0wcrash`	`yep`
`05:21.54`	`Sn0wcrash`	`it shows on fubar as being there.`
`05:22.03`	`Sn0wcrash`	`but the plugins portion of the menu is completely empty`
`05:22.18`	`Sn0wcrash`	`like i mouse over it and it's just a blank line`
`05:22.18`	`MentalPower`	`is it enabled?`
`05:22.21`	`Sn0wcrash`	`yes`
`05:22.27`	`Sn0wcrash`	`i can't do a sync check either`
`05:22.43`	`Sn0wcrash`	`and i'm about to the point that i'm going to say screw it and go dbm`
`05:22.45`	`Sn0wcrash`	`but i don't want to`
`05:22.46`	`MentalPower`	`what happens when you do /run EnableAddOn("BigWigs"); LoadAddOn("BigWigs")`
`05:23.01`	`JoshBorke`	`MentalPower: bigwigs loads?`
`05:23.01`	`Sn0wcrash`	`didn't try that.`
`05:23.13`	`Sn0wcrash`	`just a min`
`05:23.28`	`MentalPower`	`JoshBorke: dunno, just throwing stuff to try`
`05:23.41`	`JoshBorke`	`MentalPower: i'm not paying attention to the convo whatsoever :-D`
`05:24.03`	`CIA-8`	`03next96 * r55501 10Cartographer/Cartographer_InstanceNotes/koKR.lua:`
`05:24.03`	`CIA-8`	`Cartographer:`
`05:24.03`	`CIA-8`	`- Update locale koKR`
`05:24.54`	`Sn0wcrash`	`here's a screenshot fyi`
`05:24.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`Sn0wcrash: what folders are inside your BigWigs folder?`
`05:24.56`	`Sn0wcrash`	`http://i13.tinypic.com/8dxamgy.jpg`
`05:25.22`	`Sn0wcrash`	`docs, icons, sounds, textures`
`05:25.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`what bigwigs folders do you have in your addons folder?`
`05:25.47`	`CIA-8`	`03next96 * r55502 10Cartographer1/Cartographer_InstanceNotes/koKR.lua:`
`05:25.47`	`CIA-8`	`Cartographer1:`
`05:25.47`	`CIA-8`	`- Update locale koKR`
`05:26.18`	`Sn0wcrash`	`BT, Extras, hyjal, akra, outland, plugins, sc, theeye, za`
`05:26.23`	`Sn0wcrash`	`kara*`
`05:27.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`is there a libs folder in your bigwigs folder?`
`05:28.13`	`Sn0wcrash`	`no but i update without externals`
`05:28.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`you use WAU?`
`05:28.32`	`Sn0wcrash`	`yes`
`05:29.21`	`Sn0wcrash`	`1.9.44.654`
`05:30.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`it kinda sounds like maybe a library issue`
`05:30.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`are you getting any errors on load?`
`05:31.12`	`Sn0wcrash`	`not that i know of`
`05:31.23`	`Sn0wcrash`	`i can even click on the bigwigs to reset and get the message that it's been reset.`
`05:31.40`	`CIA-8`	`03xinhuan * r55503 10Postal/Modules/BlackBook.lua: Postal: - Fix potential error that can occur on BlackBook.lua:133. Well, line 133 of the file before this commit that is.`
`05:32.14`	`Ellipsis`	`lol Xinhuan?`
`05:32.18`	`Xinhuan`	`:)`
`05:32.35`	`Sn0wcrash`	`i wouldn't even know how to start to troubleshoot a lib issue.`
`05:33.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`Sn0wcrash: check your interface options and make sure you have the "show lua errors" option checked`
`05:33.14`	`Sn0wcrash`	`ok`
`05:33.17`	`Sn0wcrash`	`i'll do that now`
`05:33.20`	`Sn0wcrash`	`just a min`
`05:33.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`then relog`
`05:33.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`if you didnt have it enabled`
`05:33.58`	`CIA-8`	`03kaelten 07Beta * r55504 10Ace3/LICENSE.txt: Ace3: Updated license to prohibit un authorized standalone redistribution.`
`05:35.38`	`Fin`	`"Trying to read the forums for info is crazy!"`
`05:35.51`	`Fin`	`"Searching is rather pointless as well."`
`05:35.53`	`Fin`	`tosser`
`05:35.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`huh?`
`05:36.19`	`CIA-8`	`03xinhuan * r55505 10Postal/Modules/Forward.lua: Postal: - Comment out the whole Forward.lua file instead of adding a "do return end" block at the start of the file.`
`05:36.28`	`Antiarc`	`"On average, Americans spend about 28 hours a week watching TV. MMORPG players spend only about 7.7 hours watching television and a little more than 20 hours in the game world"`
`05:36.42`	`Antiarc`	`I average 0.0 hours TV, which justifies me spending 28 hours/week in-game. >_>`
`05:36.43`	`Fin`	`just someone moaning about a lack of documentation, another armchair critic unable to help himself`
`05:37.00`	`Fin`	`the other hour... masturbating?`
`05:37.26`	`Antiarc`	`Though really, I probably only average about 15/week right now`
`05:37.30`	`Sn0wcrash`	`Arrowmaster: tried that and the only issue i got was with tinytips`
`05:37.40`	`Sn0wcrash`	`tinytip extras*`
`05:37.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`really? humm`
`05:38.38`	`Fin`	`en garde!`
`05:38.50`	`Xinhuan`	`20 hours per week? heh`
`05:38.54`	`Xinhuan`	`i could spend that in a day`
`05:39.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Antiarc: hah, i like that justification.`
`05:39.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont know what to say other than to try with externals`
`05:40.09`	`Sn0wcrash`	`how can i make sure i totally nuke it? just delete all "lib" folders in addons?`
`05:40.12`	`Sn0wcrash`	`and all bigwigs?`
`05:40.20`	`Sn0wcrash`	`er, all wigs`
`05:40.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Fin: also, the "extra" time mmog players have is not an hour, but .3 hours, so... 18 minutes.`
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`05:40.51`	`Fin`	`oh, yeah, sorry - misread the quote`
`05:40.58`	`Fin`	`still, sounds about right`
`05:41.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you spend 18 minutes a day masturbating?`
`05:41.14`	`Fin`	`a week`
`05:41.19`	`Fin`	`and no`
`05:41.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh, a week, woops, my bad that time`
`05:41.34`	`Fin`	`probably... hmm, I don't know if it'd be more or less`
`05:41.38`	`JoshBorke`	`wow, that's a quick session`
`05:41.42`	`Fin`	`not sure I care to divulge that particular fact, anyway`
`05:41.46`	`WillJitsu`	`are there any known issues with SanityBags? for some reason whenever I first open my bags, the bar at the bottom goes outside of the bag window and it doesn't display all of my bags.`
`05:41.47`	`CIA-8`	`03joshborke * r55506 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: fix leaked globals and stop generating unneeded tables`
`05:41.59`	`CIA-8`	`03paene * r55507 10Cryolysis2/Cryolysis2.lua:`
`05:42.00`	`CIA-8`	`Cryolysis2:`
`05:42.00`	`CIA-8`	`-Added spell timer support for cold snap`
`05:42.17`	`Fin`	`I mean, if you really want to know I wouldn't mind that much`
`05:42.25`	`Fin`	`but, begs the question, why would you want to know?`
`05:42.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`18/m a week averages to something like 2m34 SECONDS`
`05:42.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`er, sans caps.`
`05:42.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`Sn0wcrash: wau should have a reinstall all addons feature`
`05:42.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`per day`
`05:42.54`	`aestil`	`rogue in guild says omen won't show /omen toggle doesn't work.`
`05:42.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`jesus, that sentance was all kinds of fucked up.`
`05:43.01`	`aestil`	`is using version he d/led before raid`
`05:43.04`	`Fin`	`or, once of 18 minutes, per week`
`05:43.07`	`Sn0wcrash`	`ok`
`05:43.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"18m/week averages out to something like 2m34s per day"`
`05:43.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Fin: well yeah, that too`
`05:43.48`	`Fin`	`I suspect some of the players of WoW might have those girly things I've heard about`
`05:43.50`	`Antiarc`	`aestil: Can you have him pastey his framexml.log?`
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`05:44.07`	`Fin`	`I hear they're a sort of substitute for masturbation`
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`05:44.14`	`Antiarc`	`WillJitsu: SanityBags is late alpha/early beta and not finished`
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`05:44.56`	`JoshBorke`	`Antiarc: gief healcap`
`05:45.32`	`aestil`	`i don't know what that means, he for sure doesn't`
`05:46.37`	`JoshBorke`	`aestil: in the wow folder there is a folder called logs and inside it is a framexml.log`
`05:47.13`	`Antiarc`	`JoshBorke: You might get it in 2.4, but not before then :P`
`05:47.19`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55508 10PaintChipsLib/PaintChips-2.0/PaintChips-2.0.lua: PaintChipsLib: Added the ability to unregister colors.`
`05:47.26`	`JoshBorke`	`Antiarc: i'll check current omen zip for you`
`05:47.33`	`Antiarc`	`?`
`05:47.45`	`JoshBorke`	`so you can tell people to just download again :`
`05:47.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`unregister colors?`
`05:50.05`	`a-stray-cat`	`so you can have custom colors, and remove them if you want to`
`05:50.14`	`Antiarc`	`That seems dangerous`
`05:50.22`	`Antiarc`	`Since you aren't guaranteed to own those colors once they're in PaintChips`
`05:51.08`	`JoshBorke`	`rophy: ping`
`05:51.11`	`a-stray-cat`	`that's true, but that's up to the programmer :X the way im using it you can only toy with your own custom colors`
`05:51.13`	`rophy`	`hello`
`05:51.29`	`JoshBorke`	`rophy: feature request for rMCP, ability to have a set of addons that isn't ever disabled`
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`05:51.47`	`aestil`	`archimonde is stupid easy to wipe. lol`
`05:51.54`	`JoshBorke`	`feel free to say no, at which point i'll hard code in the addon i want to keep :-D`
`05:52.20`	`Wobwork`	`why unregister?`
`05:52.21`	`rophy`	`I personally save those as a set and load them with other sets`
`05:52.23`	`Antiarc`	`"This charmingly eccentric cartoon from Korea features a little mound of dog poo on a quest to find meaning and purpose in his life. Left all alone on the side of the road and feeling abandoned and helpless, he believes his life is without value. Luckily, the despondent poo is befriended by a dandelion sprite who helps him recognize his worth."`
`05:52.27`	`Antiarc`	`. . . . .`
`05:52.35`	`JoshBorke`	`rophy: i'm lazy to click disable all then load set`
`05:52.48`	`Wobwork`	`"charmingly eccentric"`
`05:52.56`	`rophy`	`It's how I intended to use rMCP though @@`
`05:53.00`	`a-stray-cat`	`because there's no way to tell which colors are yours and which colors are paintchips defaults :/`
`05:53.02`	`Wobwork`	`trnsl: "I had no idea what to think of it either"`
`05:53.06`	`rophy`	`disable all -> shift click the sets you want to load`
`05:53.16`	`JoshBorke`	`oh, i can shift click sets to load?`
`05:53.18`	`JoshBorke`	`i didn't know that`
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`05:53.27`	`rophy`	`yes you can!`
`05:53.27`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/12/doggy-poo-the-movie/`
`05:53.28`	`a-stray-cat`	`the only way to see paintchips colors are to look at them :X`
`05:53.33`	`JoshBorke`	`i can handle that`
`05:53.40`	`a-stray-cat`	`er, in its vars`
`05:54.04`	`a-stray-cat`	`i have it look to see if teh color already exists, and if it does, then don't allow any mods to it :/`
`05:54.13`	`a-stray-cat`	`if it doesn't, allow adding it and modding it`
`05:55.23`	`a-stray-cat`	`ill revert if you guys think its a bad idea, i just can't figure out a good way to add colors to paintchips other than this`
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`05:56.06`	`Mecdemort`	`Is there a way to check if a string is a valid item link? Because GetItemInfo() throws an error on a non link.`
`05:56.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Mecdemort: you can run a regex against it.`
`05:56.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i dont know what the pattern is to match a valid item link, however.`
`05:56.57`	`Mecdemort`	`oh nvm its just returning and empty tuple`
`05:57.40`	`Xinhuan`	`i used`
`05:57.42`	`Xinhuan`	`not strfind(v, "^\|c%x+\|Hitem:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:[-]?%d+:[-]?%d+\|h%[.-%]\|h\|r$")`
`05:57.45`	`Xinhuan`	`as my regex`
`05:57.58`	`Xinhuan`	`to check if its a valid item link`
`05:58.06`	`Xinhuan`	`where "v" is the variable here`
`05:58.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh, i thought v was your mom`
`05:58.32`	`Mecdemort`	`I was just having a problem with type(GetItemInfo(link)) returning an error, but I can do type((GetItemInfo(link))) instead`
`05:58.42`	`WillJitsu`	`Antiarc: appreciate the reply`
`05:58.51`	`Xinhuan`	`that wouldn't fix the issue Mecdemort`
`05:58.58`	`Antiarc`	`WillJitsu: Sorry it isn't up to par yet. I hope to finish it someday :)`
`05:59.06`	`Xinhuan`	`GetitemInfo would still have to be called first`
`05:59.16`	`Xinhuan`	`and it would error before you could pass a value to type()`
`05:59.31`	`Mecdemort`	`GetItemInfo wasnt throwing an error, it was passing type() an empty touple`
`05:59.38`	`Xinhuan`	`ah`
`05:59.56`	`Mecdemort`	`and type() was like "oh no you didnt"`
`05:59.58`	`JoshBorke`	`type errors?`
`06:00.11`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> type()`
`06:00.11`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: [string "type()"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected)`
`06:00.24`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> type((function() return end)())`
`06:00.24`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: [string "type((function() return end)())"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected)`
`06:00.28`	`JoshBorke`	`yep, sure does`
`06:00.38`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> type((function() return nil end)())`
`06:00.38`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: nil,`
`06:00.54`	`WillJitsu`	`has anyone noticed the raid pin icons on the battleground minimap are staying white in cartographer? they work fine on the main map`
`06:01.29`	`Diao`	`yep`
`06:01.32`	`Xinhuan`	`WillJitsu: the default UI has code that colors everything white`
`06:01.56`	`Xinhuan`	`the default UI added this so that they could color "inactive players" as darkpink`
`06:02.02`	`Xinhuan`	`reported players that are inactive that is`
`06:02.23`	`Diao`	`mods should be able to override it imo :(`
`06:02.47`	`Xinhuan`	`probably possible, but it isn't much use to care about what class people are on a map in a BG, do you?`
`06:03.35`	`durcyn`	`it's more useful than an amorphous white blob`
`06:03.38`	`Diao`	`mm`
`06:03.39`	`Diao`	`i use it all the time`
`06:03.44`	`Diao`	`which is probably why i keep hitting m`
`06:04.01`	`WillJitsu`	`heh yeah I like it too :)`
`06:04.01`	`Xinhuan`	`but why ;p`
`06:04.10`	`Diao`	`well like`
`06:04.21`	`Xinhuan`	`"its useful"... how?`
`06:04.22`	`Diao`	`if a lock hunter or rogue is guarding a node`
`06:04.28`	`Diao`	`then i don't really need to go over and help them out`
`06:04.30`	`Diao`	`in ab`
`06:04.34`	`Diao`	`unless they get zerged`
`06:04.47`	`Xinhuan`	`that's rubbish, a single player can always defend a node :)`
`06:04.58`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e corpse run rez defend`
`06:05.00`	`Diao`	`lol`
`06:05.01`	`JoshBorke`	`i can't defend a node`
`06:05.09`	`Diao`	`not a warrior :(`
`06:05.09`	`Xinhuan`	`plus if they know enemies are coming, they can /bg help 2 inc`
`06:05.14`	`Diao`	`well`
`06:05.21`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm a n00b though`
`06:05.30`	`Diao`	`like when i played mage/rogue/druid/hunter/lock in bg`
`06:05.32`	`Diao`	`i could handle 2 inc easily`
`06:05.36`	`Diao`	`just by kiting`
`06:05.41`	`Diao`	`on my warrior i get cced`
`06:05.50`	`JoshBorke`	`you can't MC off of ledges anymore :-(`
`06:05.52`	`JoshBorke`	`that's so op'd`
`06:05.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`Mecdemort: try type(GetItemInfo(link) or nil)`
`06:06.04`	`Mecdemort`	`would that be better than double ()`
`06:06.09`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> type((function() return end)() or end)`
`06:06.09`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "type((function() return end)() or end)"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'end'`
`06:06.11`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55509 10SorrenTimers/ (Localization.lua SorrenTimers.lua options.lua):`
`06:06.11`	`CIA-8`	`SorrenTimers:`
`06:06.11`	`CIA-8`	`- Color options -.-;`
`06:06.15`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> type((function() return end)() or nil)`
`06:06.15`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: nil,`
`06:06.18`	`JoshBorke`	`Mecdemort: yes`
`06:06.34`	`Xinhuan`	`why Arrowmaster, is a () more expensive than a "or nil" ?`
`06:06.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`no clue`
`06:06.45`	`JoshBorke`	`because extra () creates a closure`
`06:06.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`but its more readable`
`06:06.55`	`Mecdemort`	`ok`
`06:07.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`and somebody else looking at it would know wtf its doing easyer`
`06:07.21`	`JoshBorke`	`that's what comments are for`
`06:07.42`	`a-stray-cat`	`pfft, comments.`
`06:07.42`	`Sn0wcrash`	`this is crazy`
`06:07.42`	`durcyn`	`yes, but " --this is a hack" doesn't really help =P`
`06:07.44`	`aestil`	`lol we suck at archimode`
`06:07.44`	`Wobwork`	`JoshBorke: Doesn't help if they spend the next few minutes gonig "That's supposed to do... that?"`
`06:07.47`	`Xinhuan`	`since when does () create closures`
`06:07.51`	`Sn0wcrash`	`Arrowmaster: still nothing`
`06:07.52`	`Sn0wcrash`	`wtf`
`06:07.53`	`aestil`	`maybe we'll break up on this boss.`
`06:07.58`	`JoshBorke`	`Xinhuan: doesn't it?`
`06:08.03`	`JoshBorke`	`Xinhuan: maybe i'm wrong then`
`06:08.03`	`durcyn`	`aestil: recruit more shaman.`
`06:08.17`	`Xinhuan`	`only functions do when they refer to upvalues isn't it?`
`06:08.25`	`Antiarc`	`At first, there was the bit. And the bit shifted left, and the bit shifted right, and there was the byte. The byte grew into a word, and then into double word. And the developer saw the word and it was good. And the evening and the morning were the first day.`
`06:08.30`	`Antiarc`	`On the next day, the developer came back to the work and couldn’t figure out what he was thinking last night, and spent the whole day figuring that out.`
`06:09.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh`
`06:09.20`	`Diao`	`lol`
`06:09.32`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> count = collectgarbage("count"); for i=1, 10000 do local x = type((function() return end)() or nil) end; c2 = collectgarbage("count"); print(c2-count)`
`06:09.32`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: 75.28125`
`06:09.38`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> count = collectgarbage("stop"); for i=1, 10000 do local x = type((function() return end)() or nil) end; c2 = collectgarbage("count"); print(c2-count)`
`06:09.39`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: 472.46875`
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`06:11.43`	`JoshBorke`	`nope, i stand corrected`
`06:11.45`	`JoshBorke`	`same size`
`06:12.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`so then go for readability`
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`06:14.24`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> type(1, "a", {})`
`06:14.24`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: number,`
`06:14.40`	`aestil`	`durcyn: why shaman?`
`06:14.48`	`durcyn`	`aestil: tremor totem > archimonde.`
`06:15.04`	`aestil`	`oh.`
`06:15.06`	`aestil`	`psh`
`06:15.12`	`aestil`	`if only it was the fears that caused a problem`
`06:15.18`	`durcyn`	`it's yet another "add shaman until win" fight`
`06:15.44`	`durcyn`	`...there's no other way to fail at it, other than sheer stupidity. do you have half your raid cratering or some stupid shit?`
`06:16.14`	`Xinhuan`	`i won T6 helm yesterday :)`
`06:16.16`	`Xinhuan`	`first kill`
`06:16.43`	`Xinhuan`	`i haven't gemmed/enchanted it yet and its already better than T4 gemmed/enchanted helm`
`06:19.57`	`aestil`	`i have the VR helm so i wont' get it.`
`06:25.49`	`Arcaia`	`what do you people think --- http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33704 in 2-3 weeks or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33765 tomorrow`
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`06:26.16`	`aestil`	`i want bracers/belt/legs/cloak all from hyjal. crazy good upgrades.`
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`06:27.36`	`durcyn`	`BT bracer and legs are sufficient as well, since channelled elements never drop`
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`06:30.11`	`CIA-8`	`03nymbia 07Ace3 * r55510 10Quartz/Quartz.lua:`
`06:30.11`	`CIA-8`	`Quartz:`
`06:30.11`	`CIA-8`	`- Tweak some stuff, make it explode.`
`06:30.43`	`CIA-8`	`03arrowmaster * r55511 10Cartographer/Cartographer_InstanceNotes/koKR.lua: Cartographer_InstanceNotes: fix unfinished string, translators please use luac -p to test for these kind of errors`
`06:30.45`	`Antiarc`	`Arcaia: What are your current PVP thrown/chest?`
`06:32.08`	`CIA-8`	`03paene * r55512 10Cryolysis2/Cryolysis2.lua:`
`06:32.08`	`CIA-8`	`Cryolysis2:`
`06:32.08`	`CIA-8`	`-Fixed a graphical problem when setting the outer sphere to show nothing`
`06:32.08`	`CIA-8`	`-Restored the main sphere's click to use mana gem functionality`
`06:32.10`	`nymbia`	`Arrowmaster: too easy.`
`06:32.21`	`Shadowed`	`Arcaia, You realize that S3 is delayed a week`
`06:32.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i know`
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`06:32.56`	`Antiarc`	`I'm planning on upgrading my PVE chest to the S3 chest...for PVE.`
`06:32.57`	`Antiarc`	`Lulz.`
`06:33.04`	`grennon`	`anyone good at reading taint logs? im a nublet at it and i have a pastey of a snippet, need a nod for a direction to look in to fix it`
`06:33.35`	`Antiarc`	`~asktoask`
`06:33.36`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`06:33.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`best thing about translations in seperate files is stuff like that doesnt cause everything to break though`
`06:34.47`	`Xinhuan`	`Blizzad fails`
`06:34.49`	`Xinhuan`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tichondrius&n=Hafu`
`06:34.54`	`Xinhuan`	`the 2v2 rank says "3st"`
`06:35.06`	`Antiarc`	`hahaha`
`06:35.14`	`Paene`	`lol`
`06:35.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hah`
`06:35.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`awesome`
`06:35.21`	`Sarana`	`Drink more water.`
`06:35.38`	`grennon`	`http://ace.pastey.net/77657`
`06:35.39`	`Xinhuan`	`grennon, sure`
`06:36.11`	`Xinhuan`	`can you recreate that error using /console taintLog 2`
`06:36.13`	`Xinhuan`	`Global variable INTERFACE_ACTION_BLOCKED_SHOWN tainted by Minimalist - Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:600 UIParent_OnEvent()`
`06:36.19`	`Xinhuan`	`you need to find out why`
`06:36.26`	`Xinhuan`	`and how "excecution was tained"`
`06:36.29`	`Xinhuan`	`before that occured`
`06:37.10`	`grennon`	`im not sure i can re-create it manually, still not sure why it triggers or when`
`06:37.13`	`Xinhuan`	`meaning, to find out taint, you typically see that "execution was tainted by addonA while reading varA"`
`06:37.21`	`Xinhuan`	`so you go up and see why varA was tainted`
`06:37.27`	`Sarana`	`No groans at my pun :(`
`06:37.41`	`Xinhuan`	`and you'll see that varA was tainted because "execution was tainted by addonB while reading varB"`
`06:37.46`	`Xinhuan`	`etc, and you keep backtracking it up`
`06:37.52`	`Xinhuan`	`until you find the root issue`
`06:37.56`	`Xinhuan`	`got it? :)`
`06:38.16`	`Xinhuan`	`and you can't really trace this unless you have /console taintLog 2 on`
`06:38.21`	`Xinhuan`	`taintLog 1 isn't sufficient`
`06:39.10`	`grennon`	`i havent had to deal with taint since that one chick in college`
`06:39.14`	`grennon`	`thanks for the help`
`06:39.23`	`Xinhuan`	`so if varB is tainted because of execution tainted by reading varC, etc, keep going until you find the root cause of the taint, which is usually tainting a blizzard function`
`06:39.36`	`Xinhuan`	`or a blizzard constant`
`06:40.14`	`Xinhuan`	`also INTERFACE_ACTION_BLOCKED_SHOWN doesn't matter`
`06:40.17`	`Xinhuan`	`dont' bother tracing it`
`06:40.47`	`Xinhuan`	`INTERFACE_ACTION_BLOCKED_SHOWN is just a variable which tracks whether the Blizzard string "An interface action is blocked by an addon" has been shown this game session or not`
`06:41.04`	`Xinhuan`	`and will always taint if you have a chat-type addon`
`06:41.10`	`Xinhuan`	`and is perfectly fine`
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`06:41.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`some taint is fine, others isnt`
`06:42.12`	`CIA-8`	`03nymbia 07Ace3 * r55513 10Quartz/ (14 files in 14 dirs):`
`06:42.12`	`CIA-8`	`Quartz:`
`06:42.12`	`CIA-8`	`- Moar fix`
`06:42.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`for example i think ive got a few things tainting the ui manage frame positions function`
`06:42.31`	`Mudkipz`	`uuuugh`
`06:42.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`and thats bad`
`06:42.46`	`Mudkipz`	`what the hell would cause all the bgmasters to stop queueing me?`
`06:43.00`	`Xinhuan`	`Mudkipz, its some error on blizzard's part`
`06:43.03`	`grennon`	`maybe its as i suspected and GetQuestLogTitle is now a protected function`
`06:43.03`	`Mudkipz`	`sometimes I dont think it registers at all`
`06:43.12`	`Xinhuan`	`queueing at BGs, or clicking on flightpaths sometimes doesn't register`
`06:43.17`	`Xinhuan`	`and you have to do it over and over`
`06:43.28`	`grennon`	`its the only taint i see from minimliast on started when i reset the taint settings`
`06:43.38`	`Xinhuan`	`hard to say grennon`
`06:43.42`	`grennon`	`aside from non-blizz-ui taint`
`06:43.57`	`Xinhuan`	`when i tracked the taint down in durabilityFu, it took a while, because the taint doesn't occur until you have lost at least durability point`
`06:44.15`	`Xinhuan`	`which triggers a UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS event`
`06:44.20`	`Mudkipz`	`some people dont seem to be affected by it Xinhuan`
`06:44.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`its probably not protected but its usage by the blizzard ui is spreading so much taint that its a function that if you taint will destroy the entire default ui after a while`
`06:44.57`	`Xinhuan`	`getquestlogtitle?`
`06:45.02`	`grennon`	`nah, i think i got it`
`06:45.14`	`Xinhuan`	`its probably called in some part of a secure code chain`
`06:45.19`	`grennon`	`i hook SecondsToTimeAbbrev`
`06:45.23`	`grennon`	`thats the culprit`
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`06:45.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`hooking lots of blizzard functions causes lots of taint and should be avoided`
`06:46.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`if theyre used in parts of the ui that spread taint`
`06:46.29`	`Xinhuan`	`i hook the bag positioning code in BankItems`
`06:46.49`	`Xinhuan`	`but it doesn't cause taint issues because it is the very last function called inside UI_ManageFramePositions()`
`06:47.06`	`Xinhuan`	`so all the protected frames has already been moved before then`
`06:47.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`isnt most stuff in UI_ManageFramePositions() securecalled anyway?`
`06:47.34`	`Xinhuan`	`sadly, not really`
`06:47.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`i keep seeing securecall in my taint messages about UI_ManageFramePositions()`
`06:47.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`which is funny`
`06:47.51`	`Xinhuan`	`blizzard should make sure that all its calls to UI_ManageFramePositions() should be securecalled()`
`06:47.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`because it means the taints before the securecall`
`06:47.54`	`Xinhuan`	`rather than calls inside that`
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`06:48.36`	`Orionshock`	`lua> t = nil; return t.npc or "yes"`
`06:48.36`	`lua_bot`	`Orionshock: [string "t = nil; return t.npc or "yes""]:1: attempt to index global 't' (a nil value)`
`06:48.46`	`Orionshock`	`>.-`
`06:49.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`no because even if they securecall the calls to UI_ManageFramePositions() if whatever is being tainted is tainted before that securecall it will still error`
`06:49.35`	`Xinhuan`	`which was the case with dura_fu`
`06:49.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`the securecalls inside of UI_ManageFramePositions() are so that the frames it moves can be tainted`
`06:49.55`	`Xinhuan`	`grennon, hope you didn't care i fixed up Postal too :)`
`06:51.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol i did /console taintLog 2 /rl /console taintLog 0 then logged off and my taint.log is 6mb`
`06:52.23`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, that's because it logs every single execution taint + variable taint, so it is continually almost always logging something every frame`
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`06:55.05`	`CIA-8`	`03mikk * r55514 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua:`
`06:55.05`	`CIA-8`	`Cartographer_Fishing:`
`06:55.05`	`CIA-8`	`- A bit less garbage creation when fishing new nodes`
`06:55.05`	`CIA-8`	`- Detect rotating minimap and simply add nodes at player, don't try offsetting`
`06:55.05`	`CIA-8`	`- Create fewer global variables (sigh, just add "local" here and there)`
`06:55.06`	`CIA-8`	`- Here's the kicker: STOP THE MODULE FROM CREATING 100KB/s GARBAGE WHEN FLYING. Hint: "temp = date("*t", time())" once for every :IsNoteHidden() -> 1 garbage table per frame per fish node`
`06:56.09`	`Xinhuan`	`Frame:CreateTexture(["name"[,"layer"]][,"inheritsFrom"])`
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`06:56.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`Mikk: lol i disabled showing on the minimap because of that garbage generation`
`06:57.34`	`Mikk`	`yeah well now it checks a boolean that only gets recomputed once in a blue moon instead of repeatedly finding out what time and day of week it is >:<`
`06:57.49`	`grennon`	`no i didnt mind Xinhuan`
`06:58.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`Mikk: lol tastyfish checking code?`
`06:58.11`	`Mikk`	`yep`
`06:58.11`	`grennon`	`i figured out my taint issue though, secondstotimeabbrev changed in 2.3 and i was basically replacing it`
`06:58.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont suggest tainting that function`
`06:58.52`	`grennon`	`neither do i`
`07:02.23`	`Xinhuan`	`damn, a tooltip can only have 10 textures`
`07:02.41`	`Xinhuan`	`so the icon doesn't show up on the 11th or 12th item in a mail attachment with that many items in it`
`07:02.54`	`Xinhuan`	`:(`
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`07:04.19`	`Lukian`	`Is there a pathping tool for *nix?`
`07:04.34`	`JoshBorke`	`like traceroute?`
`07:04.51`	`Lukian`	`yeah, except with the features of pathping as such`
`07:05.00`	`JoshBorke`	`never heard of pathping`
`07:05.02`	`QuantumDelta`	`pathping is multiple traceroutes that average packetloss :P`
`07:05.23`	`renchap`	`mtr ?`
`07:05.53`	`Lukian`	`installed, reading man`
`07:06.16`	`Lukian`	`looks like what I want :)`
`07:09.22`	`Orionshock`	`Nargiddley: question: is there a " type = 'note' " option that is just a plain text block?`
`07:09.39`	`Nargiddley`	`a multiline text box ?`
`07:09.39`	`Orionshock`	`not editable, but like for in place descritptions`
`07:09.43`	`Nargiddley`	`ah`
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`07:09.52`	`Mikk`	`no, there's not. yet.`
`07:09.53`	`Nargiddley`	`no`
`07:09.59`	`Orionshock`	`plans?`
`07:10.02`	`Mikk`	`we've been talking about that earlier`
`07:10.09`	`Mikk`	`smells like a custom control or something to me`
`07:10.19`	`Orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:10.21`	`Nargiddley`	`I'd rather keep away from custom controls`
`07:10.27`	`Mikk`	`hence talking :)`
`07:10.38`	`Orionshock`	`well can you make it a default custom control :P`
`07:11.14`	`Mikk`	`could certainly be a pre-written one yeah`
`07:11.19`	`Mikk`	`just not included in acegui proper`
`07:11.23`	`Orionshock`	`right`
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`07:11.51`	`Nargiddley`	`not sure how a big block of text would fit in`
`07:12.06`	`Orionshock`	`not big, just like a one liner`
`07:12.19`	`Mikk`	`oh, the old use case was multiline too`
`07:12.54`	`Mikk`	`Nargiddley: as for high controls... i really want to be able to do e.g. big selectboxes with acegui (not aceconfig mind)`
`07:13.06`	`Lukian`	`Is there US realm maintenance tonight?`
`07:13.43`	`Orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:14.01`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah, big controls is easy. variable size big ones is a different story`
`07:17.30`	`Nargiddley`	`its mostly how you'd wrap big blocks of text, it'd either be full/fixed width or one line`
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`07:19.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`11/20 01:42:11.890 Global variable t tainted by SanityItemCache - Interface\AddOns\SanityItemCache\SanityItemCache.lua:25 get_table()`
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`07:21.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`11/20 01:42:14.109 Global variable iteratetable tainted by XLoot - Interface\AddOns\XLoot\XLootUtilities.lua:130`
`07:21.48`	`Xuerian`	`buh`
`07:22.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`ACP makes a fuckton of globals it shouldnt`
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`07:22.23`	`Xuerian`	`Is that just me making a global`
`07:22.29`	`Xuerian`	`or tainting a existing one`
`07:23.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`making a global but you never know what the blizzard interface might use, sometimes they forget locals too`
`07:23.26`	`Xuerian`	`Mnegh, not gonna change it atm`
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`07:23.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`change it localy so it gets done next commit`
`07:24.00`	`Xuerian`	`committing isn't what's keeping me from changing it :p`
`07:25.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`LOL`
`07:25.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`11/20 01:42:14.546 Global variable temp tainted by AtlasLoot - Interface\AddOns\AtlasLoot\Core\Options.lua:51 AtlasLootOptions_OnLoad()`
`07:30.20`	`CIA-8`	`03grennon * r55515 10Minimalist/MinimalistGlobals.lua: Minimalist: -temporary disable of reformat buff timers to work around taint issue`
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`07:32.17`	`WillJitsu`	`can someone name some addons that would cause me to autojoin when someone invites me to a group? I cannot for the life of me figure out how to disable it`
`07:32.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`automation?`
`07:33.34`	`WillJitsu`	`hmm. don't have that`
`07:33.43`	`WillJitsu`	`I've been through my entire list of addons and can't find one that would include that feature`
`07:36.16`	`Diao`	`automaton, minimalist, acceptance`
`07:36.21`	`Diao`	`forgot what else`
`07:36.21`	`NoLife3`	`what is that error for? http://ace.pastey.net/77660`
`07:36.53`	`WillJitsu`	`ugh, don't have those either`
`07:39.55`	`Xinhuan`	`list your addons maybe, WillJitsu?`
`07:40.08`	`Sarana`	`Hmm looks like BulkMail2Inbox might have a bug where take all sticks and continues taking from the mail box the next time you visit it.`
`07:40.39`	`Xinhuan`	`use Postal :)`
`07:41.14`	`Diao`	`lol`
`07:41.14`	`Xinhuan`	`btw which bag event is thrown when the itemstack count is changed`
`07:41.19`	`Xinhuan`	`in a bag`
`07:41.19`	`Sarana`	`Yeah I'm thinking of switching back.`
`07:41.38`	`NoLife3`	`does postal have multiple items send option?`
`07:42.20`	`Xinhuan`	`multiple items sending in a mail is already in default UI`
`07:42.22`	`Sarana`	`Sending not needed... just like the take all gold option for handling my AH character. 2.3 can send multiple items in an email.`
`07:42.50`	`Diao`	`how many multiple items does the default ui handle up to?`
`07:42.58`	`Xinhuan`	`12`
`07:43.01`	`Diao`	`ah`
`07:43.05`	`Diao`	`that's not too bad`
`07:43.16`	`Xinhuan`	`so if you are sending 13 items, you split it into 2 mails`
`07:43.18`	`NoLife3`	`i usually send over 40 stacks of herbs to my alt`
`07:43.28`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`07:43.33`	`Xinhuan`	`the default UI handles it easily NoLife3`
`07:43.45`	`Xinhuan`	`you rightclick when the mailbox sending frame is open and it moves the item into the mail`
`07:43.51`	`Xinhuan`	`so you rightclick 12 stacks, and hit SEND`
`07:43.57`	`Xinhuan`	`then rightclick the next 12, hit send`
`07:44.04`	`vhaarr`	`~framexml`
`07:44.05`	`purl`	`Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com`
`07:44.06`	`Xinhuan`	`and all this without even using an addon`
`07:44.14`	`Lukian`	`oh nice you can rightclick - duh :D`
`07:44.23`	`Xinhuan`	`don't even need an addon, its part of default UI now`
`07:47.26`	`Sarana`	`Only disadvantage with Blizzard approach is it's harder using the mailbox as an extra bank. Since you return all at once if I recall. Not that doing that is really a good / safe thing to do.`
`07:48.02`	`Sarana`	`Does postal offer a way to open just the gold?`
`07:50.02`	`Lukian`	`bulkmail does`
`07:50.22`	`CIA-8`	`03xinhuan * r55516 10Postal/Internals/PostalLib-1.0.lua:`
`07:50.22`	`CIA-8`	`Postal: - Fixed the case where shift-clicking stops taking items out of a`
`07:50.22`	`CIA-8`	`multiple attachment mail when the retrieved item stacks on top of an existing`
`07:50.22`	`CIA-8`	`stack rather than create a new stack. This is done by listening for BAG_UPDATE`
`07:50.22`	`CIA-8`	`on top of UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED.`
`07:51.05`	`Sarana`	`Yeah but was having a problem where BulkMail2Inbox was continuing to take stuff out of my mail box the next time I visited it.`
`07:51.40`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm what do you mean by "open just the gold"`
`07:51.53`	`Lukian`	`auction sales`
`07:52.02`	`Sarana`	`I just want to open the mail that has Gold or COD sales...`
`07:52.04`	`Sarana`	`Not items.`
`07:52.26`	`Sarana`	`Normally when I log in I want to collect all the money from stuff I sold, but don't want to fill my bags with the junk that didn't sell.`
`07:52.29`	`Xinhuan`	`don't think so, it only has "open selected mail" and "open all"`
`07:52.46`	`Xinhuan`	`so you just select the ones you want to open exactly, then hit "open selected"`
`07:52.56`	`Xinhuan`	`and it opens them all and deletes them`
`07:53.27`	`Sarana`	`Yeah but when I talk about 30 or 40 emails that's a bit of work.`
`07:53.49`	`Xinhuan`	`then i'm afraid no, postal doesn't have an option that only opens mail with just gold in it`
`07:54.35`	`Sarana`	`(It's the price I pay for breaking my stacks of items into reasonable sizes before putting mats up on AH.)`
`07:55.07`	`Xinhuan`	`you can still try Postal out though, you might like it better :)`
`07:56.10`	`Sarana`	`It's a cool addon just not what I need, I used to it awhile ago.`
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`08:01.30`	`CIA-8`	`03sorren * r55517 10CooldownTimers2/CooldownTimers2.lua:`
`08:01.30`	`CIA-8`	`CooldownTimers2:`
`08:01.30`	`CIA-8`	`- Fixed a typo`
`08:02.04`	`bigzero`	`hey guys. how could I go about storring all the values of a function return? anything besides { function() } and then going through the table to get the values? I'm looking for something like a, b, ... = function()`
`08:03.06`	`vhaarr`	`if it's an arbitrary amount of return values, you'll need to either wrap it in a table or use a fake ipairs function`
`08:03.09`	`Shirik`	`bigzero: If you don't know how many returns there will be, storing them is your only way`
`08:03.10`	`Shirik`	`however`
`08:03.21`	`Sarana`	`Hmm I think I've found the bug / problem though not the cause. Guess when Blizzard get's an internal database error with the mailbox it's not calling properly... put a takeAllInProgress = false into MAIL_SHOW and it seemed to fix the problem for me. Though that seems weird.`
`08:03.24`	`Shirik`	`be aware that if there are any nils, they will NOT be stored in the table, therefore that's not a perfect solution either`
`08:03.37`	`Shirik`	`that is:`
`08:04.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`bigzero: if you want to use ... then create a function and nest the function call so you do func(func2())`
`08:04.27`	`Shirik`	`lua> function ensureEqual(...) local t = {...}; for k,v in ipairs(t) do assert(v == (select(k, ...)) end end ensureEqual(1,nil,2)`
`08:04.27`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "function ensureEqual(...) local t = {...}; for k,v in ipairs(t)..."]:1: ')' expected near 'end'`
`08:04.46`	`Shirik`	`lua> function ensureEqual(...) local t = {...}; for k,v in ipairs(t) do assert(v == (select(k, ...))) end end ensureEqual(1,nil,2)`
`08:04.46`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik:`
`08:04.49`	`Shirik`	`-_-`
`08:04.54`	`Shirik`	`well that's supposed to fail`
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`08:05.09`	`bigzero`	`hmm, I was actually just thinking that myself. Thanks!`
`08:05.14`	`Shirik`	`but yeah`
`08:05.21`	`bigzero`	`the function call i mean`
`08:05.44`	`Shirik`	`be aware that can be very expensive depending on the frequency of call :)`
`08:05.46`	`Shirik`	`of course, so can a table`
`08:05.52`	`bigzero`	`but yeah, I get what you're saying shirik. that's why i don't want to use a table`
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`08:06.25`	`Shirik`	`lua> function ensureEqual(...) local t = {...}; for x = 1, select('#',...) do assert(t[x] == (select(k, ...))) end end ensureEqual(1,nil,2)`
`08:06.26`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: [string "function ensureEqual(...) local t = {...}; ..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'select' (number expected, got nil)`
`08:06.29`	`Shirik`	`gahhh`
`08:06.30`	`Nargiddley`	`function ensureEqual(...) local t = {...}; for i = 1, select('#',...) do assert(v == (select(k, ...))) end end ensureEqual(1,nil,2)`
`08:06.30`	`Shirik`	`I giveu p`
`08:06.33`	`bigzero`	`lol`
`08:06.34`	`Nargiddley`	`bah`
`08:06.43`	`Nargiddley`	`lua> function ensureEqual(...) local t = {...}; for i = 1, select('#',...) do assert(v == (select(k, ...))) end end ensureEqual(1,nil,2)`
`08:06.43`	`lua_bot`	`Nargiddley: [string "function ensureEqual(...) local t = {...}; ..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'select' (number expected, got nil)`
`08:06.43`	`Shirik`	`lua> function ensureEqual(...) local t = {...}; for x = 1, select('#',...) do assert(t[x] == (select(x, ...))) end end ensureEqual(1,nil,2)`
`08:06.43`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik:`
`08:06.47`	`Shirik`	`Fine`
`08:06.47`	`Shirik`	`that's it`
`08:06.49`	`Shirik`	`back to WSG`
`08:07.12`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`08:07.15`	`Shirik`	`I know why that didn't work either`
`08:07.21`	`Shirik`	`I don't have a good proof, just trust me ><`
`08:07.39`	`Xinhuan`	`it didn't error Shirik`
`08:07.44`	`bigzero`	`Oh yeah, I believe you...it makes sense`
`08:07.44`	`Xinhuan`	`all the asserts passed`
`08:07.47`	`Shirik`	`I know`
`08:07.50`	`Shirik`	`but it's not supposed to pass`
`08:07.51`	`Xinhuan`	`you expected an error?`
`08:08.01`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`08:08.04`	`Xinhuan`	`why would it error`
`08:08.10`	`Xinhuan`	`it looks passable to me`
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`08:08.34`	`Nargiddley`	`lua> function test(...) local t = {...} print(t[3]) end test('a',nil,'3')`
`08:08.34`	`lua_bot`	`Nargiddley: 3`
`08:08.41`	`bigzero`	`[2] = nil would essentially delete the value at 2`
`08:08.51`	`Xinhuan`	`no lua doesn't do that`
`08:08.54`	`Xinhuan`	`nil is a valid value`
`08:09.02`	`Nargiddley`	`can't use ipairs cause of the nil but the values get there it seems`
`08:09.03`	`Xinhuan`	`nil is not the absence of a value`
`08:09.10`	`Xinhuan`	`nil IS a value`
`08:09.23`	`Xinhuan`	`t[2] returns nil, and select(2, ...) also returns nil`
`08:09.27`	`bigzero`	`hmmm`
`08:09.38`	`bigzero`	`but so would t[5]`
`08:10.00`	`Xinhuan`	`yes but thats not the point`
`08:10.04`	`Xinhuan`	`the loop goes from 1 to 3`
`08:10.18`	`Xinhuan`	`t[1] t[2] and t[3] returns the correct values as expected`
`08:10.28`	`Nargiddley`	`ipairs would still only loop to 1 tho`
`08:10.37`	`Shirik`	`but see that's the problem Xinhuan`
`08:10.45`	`Shirik`	`in a table, nil IS the absence of a value, and pairs() will skip it`
`08:10.56`	`Shirik`	`and that's what I'm trying to prove`
`08:10.57`	`bigzero`	`lua> function test(...) local t={...} print (#t) end test(1,nil,3)`
`08:10.57`	`lua_bot`	`bigzero: 3`
`08:10.58`	`Shirik`	`and not doing a good job of`
`08:11.00`	`bigzero`	`hmm`
`08:11.02`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {1, nil, 3} for k, v in ipairs(t) do print v end`
`08:11.02`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "t = {1, nil, 3} for k, v in ipairs(t) do print v end"]:1: '=' expected near 'v'`
`08:11.07`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {1, nil, 3} for k, v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end`
`08:11.08`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: 1`
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`08:11.46`	`Xinhuan`	`so ipairs() goes to 1, but #t goes to 3`
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`08:11.51`	`Xinhuan`	`its just a bit in consistent`
`08:12.06`	`JoshBorke`	`it's not guaranteed to be consistent`
`08:12.13`	`bigzero`	`lua> local a = { 1, 2, 3}; print #a; a[2] = nil; print #a`
`08:12.13`	`lua_bot`	`bigzero: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "local a = { 1, 2, 3}; print #a; a[2] = nil; print #a"]:1: '=' expected near '#'`
`08:12.42`	`Xinhuan`	`#t will always return the largest integer index value`
`08:12.48`	`Xinhuan`	`even if there's nils before it`
`08:12.49`	`Shirik`	`that's not true`
`08:12.57`	`Xinhuan`	`find me a case where that isn't true`
`08:13.14`	`bigzero`	`wait...why didn't it compile?`
`08:13.22`	`Shirik`	`lua> local t = {1,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,7}; return #t`
`08:13.22`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 16`
`08:13.24`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> local t = {1, nil, nil, 1, nil, 6, 7, 8, nil, 10}`
`08:13.24`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke:`
`08:13.27`	`Nargiddley`	`lua> t = {} t[3] = 'a' print(#t)`
`08:13.27`	`lua_bot`	`Nargiddley: 0`
`08:13.28`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> local t = {1, nil, nil, 1, nil, 6, 7, 8, nil, 10} #t`
`08:13.28`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "local t = {1, nil, nil, 1, nil, 6, 7, 8, nil, 10} #t"]:1: unexpected symbol near '#'`
`08:13.28`	`Shirik`	`give me a second to test it`
`08:13.39`	`Shirik`	`it depends on whether it is a hash table or not`
`08:13.40`	`Shirik`	`that's it`
`08:13.41`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> local t = {1, nil, nil, 1, nil, 6, 7, 8, nil, 10}; print( #t)`
`08:13.41`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: 10`
`08:13.41`	`bigzero`	`lua> local a = { 1, 2, 3}; print(#a); a[2] = nil; print(#a)`
`08:13.42`	`lua_bot`	`bigzero: 3, 3`
`08:13.49`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> local t = {1, nil, nil, 1, nil, 6, 7, 8, nil, 10, 'bob' = 'true'}; print( #t)`
`08:13.49`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "local t = {1, nil, nil, 1, nil, 6, 7, 8, nil, 10, 'bob' = 'true..."]:1: '}' expected near '='`
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`08:13.57`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> local t = {1, nil, nil, 1, nil, 6, 7, 8, nil, 10, bob = 'true'}; print( #t)`
`08:13.58`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: 10`
`08:13.59`	`Shirik`	`local t = {}; t[1] = 4; t[100] = 7; return #t;`
`08:14.04`	`Shirik`	`lua> local t = {}; t[1] = 4; t[100] = 7; return #t;`
`08:14.04`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 1`
`08:14.10`	`Shirik`	`there you go`
`08:14.19`	`Xinhuan`	`so what makes a table hash or non-hash`
`08:14.25`	`Shirik`	`that's entirely up to Lua`
`08:14.25`	`Nargiddley`	`lua> t = {1,nil,3} print(#t) t.a = 'a' print(#t)`
`08:14.26`	`lua_bot`	`Nargiddley: 3, 1`
`08:14.30`	`Shirik`	`whatever it thinks is most efficient`
`08:14.36`	`bigzero`	`lua> local a = { [3] = 1, [2] = 2, [5] = 3}; print(#a); a[2] = nil; print(#a)`
`08:14.36`	`lua_bot`	`bigzero: 0, 0`
`08:14.39`	`Nargiddley`	`assigning an out of order index does`
`08:14.41`	`Shirik`	`it usually has to do with binary exponential math`
`08:14.44`	`Shirik`	`not really`
`08:14.50`	`Nargiddley`	`its not a hash till it has to be`
`08:15.02`	`Shirik`	`no, because Lua allocates memory in binary exponential order`
`08:15.05`	`krka`	`lua has a semi complex way of determining this`
`08:15.08`	`krka`	`dont worry about it`
`08:15.15`	`JoshBorke`	`lol, "don't worry about it"`
`08:15.20`	`krka`	`Lua Is Smarter Than You(tm)`
`08:15.25`	`Sarana`	`lua> local t = {1,nil,3}; print table.maxn(t); t[5]=3; print table.maxn(t)`
`08:15.26`	`lua_bot`	`Sarana: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "local t = {1,nil,3}; print table.maxn(t); t[5]=3; print table.m..."]:1: '=' expected near 'table'`
`08:15.27`	`Shirik`	`much like the IEEE 802.3 system for determining wait time`
`08:15.50`	`Xinhuan`	`when you call print, always make sure you add the () ;p`
`08:16.02`	`bigzero`	`yeah lua != perl`
`08:16.06`	`bigzero`	`lol`
`08:16.17`	`Sarana`	`Yeah .... lost them in cut and paste some how actually since it worked in my local lua.`
`08:16.37`	`Nargiddley`	`lua> t = {1,nil,3} print(#t) t[4] = 4 print(#t) t[6] = 6 print(#t)`
`08:16.37`	`lua_bot`	`Nargiddley: 3, 4, 4`
`08:16.53`	`Shirik`	`but yeah, krka's right, which is what I was trying to get at`
`08:16.56`	`Shirik`	`14(0311:1311:0514) 14(11+Shirik14) that's entirely up to Lua`
`08:17.06`	`Shirik`	`you don't need to worry about that so much, just trust it that it's finding an efficient way to do it`
`08:17.11`	`rophy`	`Tekkub: I moved some sections in http://www.wowace.com/wiki/ParserLib to sub pages, is it better now?`
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`08:17.44`	`bigzero`	`lua> local a = {1,2,3}; a[8] = 6; print(table.maxn(a))`
`08:17.44`	`lua_bot`	`bigzero: 8`
`08:18.09`	`bigzero`	`i thought maxn and # were supposed to be equivalent`
`08:18.11`	`Sarana`	`#table can return any of the indexs before a blank.`
`08:18.18`	`bigzero`	`i guess not`
`08:18.23`	`krka`	`lua> t={}for i=10,30 do t[i]=i print(#t) end`
`08:18.24`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30`
`08:18.27`	`Shirik`	`what you can guarantee`
`08:18.31`	`Xinhuan`	`#table isn't a function call, so its a lot faster ;p`
`08:18.38`	`Shirik`	`is that #table will always return at least the largest index before a nil`
`08:18.41`	`Shirik`	`that's all you can guarantee`
`08:18.43`	`Sarana`	`It's more efficient but handles nils differently.`
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`08:19.02`	`bigzero`	`Xinhuan: sure it doesn't get translated into a function call anyway?`
`08:19.05`	`krka`	`#table will return any n, such that t[n] is not nil, and t[n+1] is nil`
`08:19.11`	`krka`	`that's all it promises`
`08:19.12`	`Xinhuan`	`no it actually doesn't`
`08:19.27`	`Xinhuan`	`you can time 1000000 runs of it`
`08:19.34`	`Shirik`	`no wait`
`08:19.37`	`Shirik`	`that's what I meant`
`08:19.42`	`Shirik`	`it will always return an index that is immediately before a nil`
`08:19.51`	`krka`	`special case is of course 0`
`08:20.30`	`krka`	`also, it only handles positive indexes`
`08:20.54`	`krka`	`#{[-2] = 1} wont return -3 :)`
`08:21.18`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t={-2=1} print(#t)`
`08:21.18`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "t={-2=1} print(#t)"]:1: '}' expected near '='`
`08:21.24`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t={[-2]=1} print(#t)`
`08:21.25`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: 0`
`08:21.36`	`bigzero`	`so is there a function in lua that will actually return the real table size?`
`08:21.41`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t={[-2]=1, [-1] = 1, [0] = 1, [5]1} print(#t)`
`08:21.41`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: sandbox.lua:286: Compilation failed: [string "t={[-2]=1, [-1] = 1, [0] = 1, [5]1} print(#t)"]:1: '=' expected near '1'`
`08:21.44`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t={[-2]=1, [-1] = 1, [0] = 1, [5]=1} print(#t)`
`08:21.44`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: 0`
`08:21.50`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t={[-2]=1, [-1] = 1, [0] = 1, [2]=1} print(#t)`
`08:21.51`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: 0`
`08:21.53`	`JoshBorke`	`lua> t={[-2]=1, [-1] = 1, [0] = 1, [1]=1} print(#t)`
`08:21.54`	`lua_bot`	`JoshBorke: 1`
`08:22.24`	`JoshBorke`	`bigzero: function tSize(t) local i = 0; for k,v in pairs(t) do i = i+1 end return i end`
`08:22.26`	`Sarana`	`table.maxn(...) will return the last positive number used. But it is more expensive since it has to loop through the keys`
`08:22.43`	`JoshBorke`	`unless you specifically want integer index`
`08:22.44`	`bigzero`	`JoshBorke: lol....well yeah`
`08:22.54`	`bigzero`	`i meant something more efficient maybe`
`08:22.56`	`JoshBorke`	`manage it yourself`
`08:23.29`	`Sarana`	`Hmm would something like: t = {[-1]=select('#',...),...} work?`
`08:24.32`	`JoshBorke`	`huh?`
`08:24.39`	`JoshBorke`	`but yes`
`08:24.44`	`JoshBorke`	`why not store it in 0?`
`08:25.03`	`bigzero`	`lua> function a(...) t = {[-1]=select('#',...),...}; for k, v in pairs(t) do print(v) end end a(1,2,3)`
`08:25.03`	`lua_bot`	`bigzero: 1, 2, 3, 3`
`08:25.37`	`bigzero`	`what is that supposed to accomplish anyway, Sarana?`
`08:25.47`	`JoshBorke`	`or s or something more descriptive than -1`
`08:26.09`	`Sarana`	`Sorry thinking compilery.`
`08:26.25`	`bigzero`	`oh, store the table size....gotcha`
`08:26.51`	`Sarana`	`Yeah s or something else would work better than -1 in lua, just used to using that offset when writing compilers.`
`08:27.17`	`bigzero`	`hmmm, anyway. who's maintaining alchemylist and enchantlist? anyone know?`
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`08:34.09`	`Sarana`	`BTW speaking of ..., some scary code I wrote once http://ace.pastey.net/77665 sort of a lua equivalent of a C++ binder.`
`08:36.22`	`Sarana`	`(which would probably do better using table.concat than all the .. operators)`
`08:37.20`	`JoshBorke`	`wow that's fugly`
`08:37.31`	`Sarana`	`Yeah as I said scary :)`
`08:37.45`	`Sarana`	`But I actually got okay performance out of it at the time.`
`08:38.03`	`JoshBorke`	`why not? else local t = {...} return function (...) return func(unpack(t), ...) end?`
`08:38.19`	`Sarana`	`Because it wasn't as fast.`
`08:38.31`	`JoshBorke`	`huh, ok`
`08:38.46`	`JoshBorke`	`it's still too wasteful for me :_D`
`08:38.49`	`JoshBorke`	`anyway, night itme`
`08:41.33`	`Sarana`	`(oh and unpack(t) didn't handle nils right)`
`08:47.19`	`Orionshock`	`Nargiddley: has anyone actualy used the aceGui lib for anything for real?`
`08:47.34`	`Nargiddley`	`Bam wrote a notepad thing afaik`
`08:48.03`	`Nargiddley`	`and are you calling AceConfigDialog not real ?`
`08:48.03`	`Nargiddley`	`heh`
`08:48.04`	`Orionshock`	`well i just redesigned my config gui from scratch almost... i'd say it looks alot better`
`08:48.23`	`Nargiddley`	`or do you mean a full addon config ?`
`08:48.29`	`Orionshock`	`but .. it looks cramped`
`08:49.10`	`Orionshock`	`any way to force the font strings to fully display? instead of clipping them?`
`08:49.15`	`krka`	`unpack handles nils just fine, if you include the length parameter`
`08:49.30`	`Nargiddley`	`Orionshock: on checkboxes ?`
`08:49.33`	`*** join/#wowace Jmsh (i=asl__a@193.92.71.213)`
`08:49.36`	`Orionshock`	`yes`
`08:49.37`	`*** join/#wowace sag_ich_nicht (i=bitch2k@85.127.117.166)`
`08:49.53`	`Orionshock`	`or add in a blank line`
`08:50.30`	`Nargiddley`	`a type='header' will be a seperator`
`08:50.42`	`Orionshock`	`have one... or 2`
`08:51.24`	`Orionshock`	`... i guess you'd have to see it to understand what i mean.....`
`08:51.32`	`Xinhuan`	`screeenshot`
`08:51.37`	`Nargiddley`	`starting wow now`
`08:51.57`	`Orionshock`	`? did u actualy download my mod?`
`08:52.04`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah`
`08:52.06`	`Orionshock`	`zomg!?`
`08:52.39`	`Nargiddley`	`Proper configs are good feedback on how its working, and you did find that layout bug`
`08:53.05`	`ramoz`	`Orionshock: config for SOCD?`
`08:53.18`	`Orionshock`	`ramoz: yes`
`08:53.22`	`ramoz`	`woho!`
`08:53.23`	`ramoz`	`also`
`08:53.33`	`Nargiddley`	`Orionshock, you're missing type='group' in the root.`
`08:53.42`	`Orionshock`	`?`
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`08:53.44`	`ramoz`	`i get infinte loops on the netherwing crystals dude`
`08:53.52`	`Orionshock`	`ramoz: thats intended`
`08:53.58`	`Nargiddley`	`ok and more, theres now a validator`
`08:54.07`	`Orionshock`	`Nargiddley: no no, type = "tab" ?`
`08:54.34`	`Nargiddley`	`childGroups = 'tab', type = 'group'`
`08:54.49`	`Nargiddley`	`its still a group, childGroups is a hint how to display it`
`08:54.50`	`Orionshock`	`was working all the same`
`08:55.15`	`Nargiddley`	`The validator is a bit more strict that my implementation :P`
`08:55.23`	`Orionshock`	`.. afk`
`08:55.26`	`Nargiddley`	`even my test one is stuffed`
`08:56.32`	`Mikk`	`it's entirely possible that the validator is wrong somewhere`
`08:56.46`	`Mikk`	`i just wrote it and ran it against my test ones and aguf`
`08:56.49`	`Nargiddley`	`its just enforcing names where i've got none`
`08:56.57`	`Nargiddley`	`on spacer headings`
`08:57.11`	`Mikk`	`ah, that should be name="" no?`
`08:57.21`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah`
`08:57.38`	`Nargiddley`	`which is what i'm adding now :P`
`09:01.38`	`[Ammo]`	`morning girls`
`09:01.46`	`[Ammo]`	`ah mikk is on different times again :p`
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`09:03.58`	`Sarana`	`krka, try it... unpack(t,1,t.s),... doesn't work... AFAIK list expansion only happens at the end.`
`09:04.42`	`Orionshock`	`back`
`09:05.08`	`Sarana`	`lua> local t={s=3,1,nil,3}; print(unpack(t,1,t.s),4,nil,5)`
`09:05.09`	`lua_bot`	`Sarana: 1, 4, nil, 5`
`09:05.43`	`Sarana`	`local t={s=3,1,nil,3}; print(unpack(t,1,t.s))`
`09:05.48`	`Sarana`	`lua> local t={s=3,1,nil,3}; print(unpack(t,1,t.s))`
`09:05.49`	`lua_bot`	`Sarana: 1, nil, 3`
`09:06.31`	`Orionshock`	`Nargiddley: any more ideas?`
`09:06.55`	`CIA-8`	`03gamefaq * r55518 10Bartender3/ (Bartender3.toc locales/Bartender3-deDE.lua): Bartender3: deDE Update`
`09:07.43`	`Orionshock`	`hey Nargiddley i've got a few more requests too`
`09:07.53`	`Orionshock`	`if your the one maintaining the GUI stuff`
`09:08.19`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah`
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`09:08.43`	`Orionshock`	`sorting options, atm it's forced into right then down, can we have a down then right?`
`09:09.09`	`Nargiddley`	`its either one or the other globally`
`09:09.13`	`Nargiddley`	`so probably not`
`09:09.16`	`Orionshock`	`>.>`
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`09:09.53`	`Nargiddley`	`i'm assuming this is coming from an options table point of view btw`
`09:09.55`	`Orionshock`	`also the dropdowns, the name is above the drop down, can i get a orientation on it?`
`09:10.16`	`Nargiddley`	`so its to the left or something ?`
`09:10.25`	`Orionshock`	`ya`
`09:10.42`	`Nargiddley`	`again, that would be global so no`
`09:10.56`	`Orionshock`	`??`
`09:11.08`	`Orionshock`	`that atleast should default to left not top :P`
`09:11.18`	`Nargiddley`	`why ?`
`09:11.23`	`Orionshock`	`sanity?`
`09:11.30`	`Orionshock`	`everything else in wow does that more or less`
`09:11.56`	`Orionshock`	`*& theirs sucks`
`09:11.58`	`Orionshock`	`:P`
`09:12.05`	`CIA-8`	`03helium * r55519 10Bartender3/locales/Bartender3-zhTW.lua: Bartender3: update zhTW localization`
`09:12.11`	`Orionshock`	`waterfall did it irrc`
`09:12.22`	`Nargiddley`	`waterfall sucked`
`09:12.23`	`Orionshock`	`well ... sorta`
`09:12.28`	`Orionshock`	`rock does that!`
`09:12.45`	`Nargiddley`	`no comment`
`09:12.48`	`[Ammo]`	`hahahaha`
`09:13.36`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`09:13.39`	`CIA-8`	`03rodrick * r55520 10NazGuildRecruiter/ (Core.lua NazGuildRecruiter.toc readme.txt):`
`09:13.39`	`CIA-8`	`NazGuildRecruiter:`
`09:13.39`	`CIA-8`	`- Updated TOC`
`09:13.39`	`CIA-8`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:13.39`	`CIA-8`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:13.39`	`CIA-8`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`09:13.44`	`[Ammo]`	`Nazi guild recruiter!`
`09:13.47`	`[Ammo]`	`oops`
`09:13.54`	`[Ammo]`	`I read that completely wrong`
`09:14.01`	`nevcairiel`	`hahaha`
`09:14.21`	`nevcairiel`	`not completly, only that extra "i"`
`09:14.37`	`Orionshock`	`Nargiddley: http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/OrionShock/WoWScrnShot_112007_021303.jpg`
`09:14.44`	`Orionshock`	`re: ramoz http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/OrionShock/WoWScrnShot_112007_021303.jpg`
`09:15.21`	`Orionshock`	`see it's just wrong! all wrong ,`
`09:15.28`	`Nargiddley`	`it wouldnt fix the label being too long, it would most likely cut it off sooner`
`09:15.39`	`Orionshock`	`....`
`09:15.42`	`Orionshock`	`true...`
`09:15.54`	`nevcairiel`	`it would still look better if its in front of the dropdown`
`09:15.56`	`nevcairiel`	`imho`
`09:15.56`	`Orionshock`	`if you can fix the clipping that'll be best`
`09:15.58`	`Nargiddley`	`things still have to be consistantly sized for the layout to not look like ass`
`09:16.08`	`[Ammo]`	`the dialog looks fine to me`
`09:16.21`	`nevcairiel`	`(plus the label should say "Quest Reward" and not list the quest name again :P)`
`09:16.22`	`Nargiddley`	`you dont need the quest title repeated anyway, its in the group headings`
`09:16.23`	`Orionshock`	`i'll stop bitching atleast for now...`
`09:16.31`	`[Ammo]`	`or just leave the label out`
`09:16.32`	`Orionshock`	`nevcairiel: good point`
`09:16.51`	`nevcairiel`	`that reminds me`
`09:17.01`	`Nargiddley`	`Wonder if the label should be more the text size of the tab text`
`09:17.40`	`Nargiddley`	`hm that might just be the scale, i'm used to .64`
`09:19.38`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah me too`
`09:20.56`	`Xinhuan`	`you should always do a UIParent:SetScale() and see if your addon screws up in the new scale ;p`
`09:21.09`	`ramoz`	`Orionshock: sweet, does it require DailyFu?`
`09:21.14`	`Orionshock`	`ramoz: no`
`09:21.20`	`ramoz`	`sweeter!`
`09:21.22`	`Orionshock`	`dailfu = grandfathered`
`09:21.38`	`Xinhuan`	`ramoz, that addon does a different thing`
`09:21.49`	`Xinhuan`	`dailyfu tracks what you have done/not done`
`09:21.59`	`ramoz`	`i know`
`09:22.03`	`Xinhuan`	`Orionshock's addon doesn't do that, it autoclicks the daily for you ;p`
`09:22.04`	`Orionshock`	`Xinhuan: actualy no, only what you did, and last did`
`09:22.16`	`Orionshock`	`& both are mind`
`09:22.17`	`Xinhuan`	`or is that a different one`
`09:22.20`	`Orionshock`	`*mine`
`09:22.32`	`Orionshock`	`your thinking of Daily Quest Tracker`
`09:22.43`	`Orionshock`	`btw some one get that author his SVN :P`
`09:22.43`	`Xinhuan`	`oh right! i am indeed`
`09:23.04`	`Xinhuan`	`last i read, he was "not using SVN" cos he got tired of waiting for his account`
`09:24.17`	`Orionshock`	`ramoz: you'll need the SickOfClickingDailies5 and the Ace3 branch to make it work...`
`09:24.20`	*** join/#wowace Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh)
`09:24.26`	`Xinhuan`	`.. you haven't seen idiotic people until you read this one`
`09:24.29`	`Xinhuan`	`someone just PMed me in game`
`09:24.31`	`nevcairiel`	`man again super hot stew`
`09:24.32`	`Xinhuan`	`"Can you link me the mats for [Enchant Boots - Fortitude] plz"`
`09:24.32`	`Orionshock`	`i don't feel like setting google svn to point at wowace's svn for externals`
`09:24.34`	`nevcairiel`	`i hate that one`
`09:24.42`	`Xinhuan`	`where the enchantlink is already right in that PM`
`09:25.18`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe he typed it and some adodn of yours auto-linked the text? *shrug`
`09:25.35`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't have such an addon :)`
`09:26.00`	`Xinhuan`	`the only chat addon i use is one of my own that adds timestamps`
`09:26.08`	`Xinhuan`	`and technicolor :)`
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`09:26.43`	`Xinhuan`	`so atm, i'm scaling down the size of my UI`
`09:26.44`	`*** join/#wowace Cheads (i=chead@0x57327d75.virnxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk)`
`09:27.08`	`Xinhuan`	`i used 0.9 in my archi screenshot yesterday, scaling it down quite a bit now :)`
`09:28.14`	`nevcairiel`	`our archi kill yesterday was such a mess`
`09:28.22`	`nevcairiel`	`but at least we did full hyjal in 4 hours or so`
`09:29.34`	`Kalroth`	`nevcairiel: When isn't Archi a mess? :p`
`09:29.45`	`Kalroth`	`There's always some drooler than craters`
`09:29.51`	`Kalroth`	`or tries to roast himself`
`09:29.52`	`Xinhuan`	`hey i hate archi :(`
`09:30.08`	`Diao`	`0.9 o_o`
`09:30.09`	`Xinhuan`	`we had this wipe yesterday cos a rogue fell to his death. reason: he was typing on /raid when he got airbursted.`
`09:30.10`	`Diao`	`i use 0.64 lol`
`09:30.18`	`evl`	`Xinhuan: l2press esc? :D`
`09:30.23`	`Diao`	`anything bigger is too hard to see ._.`
`09:30.29`	`Diao`	`lol`
`09:30.46`	`Xinhuan`	`i use 0.9 because i have all my fonts on almost everything resized to size 8 points`
`09:30.52`	`Xinhuan`	`if i switch to 0.6 or something`
`09:31.01`	`Xinhuan`	`i would have to redo all the fonts back to 12 point`
`09:31.20`	`Kalroth`	`Xinhuan: We got a druid that cratered last time, reason was because he used his gcd on mana potion in midair instead of saving it for the tear :)`
`09:31.23`	`Xinhuan`	`get what i mean?`
`09:31.25`	`nevcairiel`	`Kalroth: we had clean kills .. but yesterday, half raid died at 15% or so`
`09:31.39`	`Xinhuan`	`ohoh, had another wipe yesterday - the mage that cratered said "blink was on cooldown"`
`09:31.44`	`Xinhuan`	`i think he got creamed on vent`
`09:36.13`	`CIA-8`	`03jerry * r55521 10Talented_Data/ (6 files): Talented_Data: updates to enUS, frFR, esES, deDE and (re-activated) zhCN.`
`09:37.37`	`Xinhuan`	Funkeh`, can you make the proximity frame clamp to the screen
`09:37.41`	`Xinhuan`	`in bigwigs`
`09:37.47`	`Xinhuan`	`i think it got lost`
`09:38.02`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`09:38.08`	Funkeh`	`just lol`
`09:38.15`	`Xinhuan`	`:)`
`09:38.15`	`vhaarr`	`Anyone know how I can get the faction or the current target? Like "The Scryers" or "Cenarion Expedition"?`
`09:38.22`	`vhaarr`	`Do I have to parse the tooltip?`
`09:38.23`	`Xinhuan`	`why, whats the issue hehe`
`09:38.31`	`Orionshock`	`vhaarr: UnitFaction()`
`09:38.35`	`Orionshock`	`iirc`
`09:38.47`	`vhaarr`	`Orionshock: no, that's only Alliance or Horde`
`09:39.01`	`Xinhuan`	`it doesn't have an option to reset the position apparently :)`
`09:39.07`	`vhaarr`	`UnitFactionGroup`
`09:39.12`	`vhaarr`	`you mean`
`09:40.27`	`vhaarr`	`s/faction or/faction of/`
`09:40.58`	`Orionshock`	`yep - parse the tooltip :(`
`09:41.04`	`vhaarr`	`zzz`
`09:41.08`	Funkeh`	`anyone else having issues since the patch clicking a flight path`
`09:41.18`	Funkeh`	`sometimes i gotta do it like 20 times before I start flying`
`09:41.50`	`Xinhuan`	yes Funkeh`
`09:41.50`	`gnorlish`	`i recall reading that issue on forums`
`09:41.58`	`Xinhuan`	`happens to many ppl in my guild`
`09:42.07`	`Xinhuan`	`also happens on queing a BG too`
`09:42.10`	`Xinhuan`	`sometimes doesn't register`
`09:42.15`	Funkeh`	`I'm not sure but I think jumping when clicking it solves the issue`
`09:42.24`	`Xinhuan`	`just walk away and reclick`
`09:42.26`	`Xinhuan`	`or click 20 times`
`09:42.31`	Funkeh`	`>.<`
`09:42.39`	`*** join/#wowace papy\|2nd (n=madlener@iss16.vlsi.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de)`
`09:42.57`	Funkeh`	`Antiarc, give pve leveling spec for 51 rogue`
`09:43.31`	`*** join/#wowace CrazyBenny (i=s_m@a02-0418b.kn.vutbr.cz)`
`09:43.55`	`thul`	`i neeeeeeed more +hit`
`09:43.55`	`thul`	`funkcombat swords or combat hemo`
`09:43.59`	`thul`	`use garrote + snd + ss/hemo`
`09:43.59`	`thul`	`use garrote + snd + ss/hemgogogo`
`09:44.02`	`thul`	`bah`
`09:44.08`	`thul`	`my ssh connection is lagged`
`09:44.17`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhe0oZMIV0bVzxMb probably`
`09:44.26`	`thul`	`but you get the idea fu:P`
`09:44.39`	`thul`	`ffs`
`09:44.44`	`thul`	`i hate the wireless network at uni`
`09:44.51`	Funkeh`	`imp sprint worth it?`
`09:45.00`	`thul`	`not for lvling`
`09:45.05`	`thul`	`wasted points`
`09:45.09`	`Antiarc`	`Eh, I dunno.`
`09:45.16`	`Antiarc`	`Snare breaks are awesome, especially before CloS`
`09:45.29`	Funkeh`	`heh`
`09:45.29`	`Antiarc`	`It's dispensable before 70`
`09:45.29`	`thul`	`well, if you farm kiting mobs`
`09:45.30`	`thul`	`well, if you farm kiting mobut you won't`
`09:45.39`	`Antiarc`	`But you really want it at 70`
`09:45.52`	`thul`	`arrrrgh`
`09:46.01`	`thul`	`i hate my connection so much`
`09:46.33`	Funkeh`	`Antiarc, my current spec, wanted to shift it a little http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?3050100000000000000000250450000050150023010000000000000000000000000`
`09:46.43`	Funkeh`	`oh`
`09:46.47`	Funkeh`	`stupid export crap`
`09:47.00`	`Antiarc`	`Ruthlessness > Murder, and Imp SnD is worth its weight in gold`
`09:47.16`	`Antiarc`	`Most people underestimate white damage, but it's50- 60% or so of a combat rogue's total damage`
`09:47.16`	`thul`	`yeah, imp snd is nice`
`09:47.19`	`thul`	`preciscion too`
`09:47.26`	Funkeh`	`okay`
`09:47.29`	Funkeh`	`ty`
`09:47.41`	`thul`	`in A last night melee was 55.6% of my damage`
`09:47.43`	`thul`	`ZA`
`09:47.44`	`Antiarc`	`Relentless Strikes is also worth getting ASAP. Combat Potency is the real jewel of deep Combat`
`09:47.52`	`Antiarc`	`But it'll take you a few more levels to get to it`
`09:48.03`	`thul`	`I'm hemo though`
`09:48.09`	`thul`	`and i need more +hit :(`
`09:48.10`	`Antiarc`	`I'm trispec hemo right now`
`09:48.34`	`thul`	`you can see my spec at thyve european armory`
`09:48.41`	`Antiarc`	`Melee was 66% of my total damage last night in BT/Hyjal`
`09:48.45`	`Antiarc`	`Err, white damage`
`09:48.47`	`Antiarc`	`It's all melee >_>`
`09:48.49`	`thul`	`hehe`
`09:49.02`	`thul`	`well, it is under "melee" in recount :-P`
`09:49.03`	`Antiarc`	`But then, that is Hyjal, which is whyhallotharhaste`
`09:49.13`	`thul`	`mhm`
`09:49.23`	`Zhinjio`	`BAH. TinyPad stopped working in 2.3`
`09:49.29`	`Antiarc`	`Hahah, melee was 73% of my damage on Akama`
`09:49.34`	`thul`	`but I had 12% miss last night`
`09:49.36`	`thul`	`that is just tooooooo stupid`
`09:49.40`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, so whats the Ace based in-game notepad thinger?`
`09:49.41`	`Antiarc`	`69% of my damage on Gorefiend`
`09:49.50`	`*** join/#wowace TheKarn (n=TheKarn@cpc3-glfd1-0-0-cust609.glfd.cable.ntl.com)`
`09:49.58`	`thul`	`i have to stop stocking +crit and +ap, and get more hit :-P`
`09:49.58`	`thul`	`i knew this already though..`
`09:50.02`	`Antiarc`	Anyhow, Funkeh`, Imp SnD is worth getting and you should get SnD up ASAP and keep it up, even while levelling/grinding
`09:50.16`	`thul`	`I use garrote + snd + ss/hemo spam`
`09:50.19`	`thul`	`when grinding`
`09:50.21`	Funkeh`	`okay`
`09:50.21`	`thul`	`(hemo now)`
`09:50.35`	`thul`	`Antiarc: what cycle do you use as hemo?`
`09:50.57`	`Orionshock`	`are there slash commands for the new tracking stuff?`
`09:51.06`	`Antiarc`	`I've been using 2s/5r - it's worked well for me, though it's really close on the SnD`
`09:51.27`	`Antiarc`	`A dodged hemo kinda bones my SnD for a second or two`
`09:52.23`	`Antiarc`	Funkeh`: It's kinda unconventional, but you could try http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/rogue/talents.html?0000000000000000000000233550100050150023010510000000000000000000000 and then round out Assassination
`09:52.29`	`Antiarc`	`Riposte is really nice to have while levelling`
`09:52.40`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`"`
`09:52.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`grin You'll have to thank AlexanderYoshi who convinced me it was a good idea. :)`
`09:52.41`	`Antiarc`	`And Combat Potency is just om nom nom.`
`09:52.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`"`
`09:52.44`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`...`
`09:52.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`oh fuck you copy paste`
`09:52.52`	`Antiarc`	`~fail sag_ich_nicht`
`09:52.53`	`purl`	`sag_ich_nicht: Fail.`
`09:53.04`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no U`
`09:53.18`	Funkeh`	`Antiarc, nice, thanks`
`09:53.30`	`thul`	`Antiarc: ok, I mostly use 3s/5r`
`09:53.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`"grin You'll have to thank AlexanderYoshi who convinced me it was a good idea. :)" <--what i was going to say: \o/`
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`09:53.47`	`Antiarc`	`Ruthless/Relentless are really important in Assass when you can get them, Funkeh, especially levelling`
`09:53.50`	`Zhinjio`	`anyone? Ace based in-game notepad thinger?`
`09:54.01`	`Antiarc`	`Zhinjio: I don't use one, sorry`
`09:54.06`	`thul`	`but i need to get bettter weapons.. Ive been dagger for too long, so hemoing with wolf paw`
`09:54.09`	`Zhinjio`	`ok.`
`09:54.12`	`Antiarc`	`Heh, ouch`
`09:54.21`	`thul`	`so.. next weak, arena s1 mh, oh :-P`
`09:54.21`	`thul`	`so.. next weak, arena s1 mh, more hit too`
`09:54.24`	`Antiarc`	`I wish the Syphon didn't eat Imp Shadowbolt :/`
`09:54.36`	`Antiarc`	`Because I would totally MH syphon and OH the S3 offhand for leet human expertise hax.`
`09:54.39`	`thul`	`http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16940-roguecraft_101_a/`
`09:54.42`	`thul`	`my favourit thread :-D`
`09:55.33`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`btw.`
`09:55.40`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`question`
`09:56.00`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`has steam tonks aggroing the summoners at mag been fixed in 2.3? i heard yes, but i'm not sure`
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`09:57.57`	`Diao`	`Zhinjio: omnibus`
`09:58.00`	`Zhinjio`	`for reference, it was Omnibus.`
`09:58.02`	`Zhinjio`	`hehehehe`
`09:58.10`	`Diao`	`sorry`
`09:58.12`	`Zhinjio`	`had to search a bit.`
`09:58.13`	`Diao`	`just tabbed to irc and saw it`
`09:58.17`	`Zhinjio`	`no worries.`
`09:58.33`	`Zhinjio`	`its a bit outdated, but it probably still works. will test shortly.`
`09:58.42`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm sad tinypad went away. it was nice.`
`09:58.45`	`Diao`	`it does work`
`09:58.48`	`Diao`	`i use it still`
`09:58.50`	`Zhinjio`	`excellent.`
`10:00.58`	`Cheads`	`tinypad works fine for me`
`10:01.04`	`Zhinjio`	`really?`
`10:01.08`	`Cheads`	`yes`
`10:01.12`	`Zhinjio`	`it says "incompatible" in my list of addons`
`10:01.22`	`Zhinjio`	`did you do anything to change TOCs or anything?`
`10:01.32`	`Cheads`	`nope`
`10:01.38`	`Zhinjio`	`hrmph.`
`10:02.18`	`Cheads`	`guess you must be using some old version`
`10:02.32`	`Zhinjio`	`that could be. I hadn't seen it updated in a long long while.`
`10:02.48`	Funkeh`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1 anyone seen it?`
`10:03.58`	`Zhinjio`	`Aha, I hadn't seen the new version on wowui`
`10:04.38`	`Zhinjio`	`\`
`10:04.44`	`Kalroth`	`"The combat logging mechanism is completely overhauled with explicit data instead of text strings delivered to the UI."`
`10:04.45`	`Zhinjio`	`wait, thats from 10/2006.`
`10:04.45`	`Kalroth`	`:(`
`10:05.05`	`Kalroth`	`So combat log will be buggy from 2.4 to 2.6 :)`
`10:05.05`	`Zhinjio`	`Kalroth: is that 2.4?`
`10:05.09`	`Kalroth`	`yup`
`10:05.12`	`Zhinjio`	`meh.`
`10:05.24`	`Zhinjio`	`Looks like we'll need a new WWS`
`10:05.42`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`OLD NEWS`
`10:05.52`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah`
`10:07.31`	`Dotted`	yo Funkeh`
`10:07.50`	Funkeh`	`no`
`10:08.10`	`Diao`	`uhhh`
`10:08.14`	Funkeh`	`its going to be broken probably until ace3 comes out since its nearly 50% beta ace3 addons`
`10:08.14`	`Diao`	`did blizzard bug something with arena points?`
`10:08.19`	`Diao`	`i played 0 arena games this week`
`10:08.21`	`Diao`	`yet i gained points`
`10:08.22`	`Diao`	`???????`
`10:08.31`	`Dotted`	ok Funkeh`
`10:10.11`	`Orionshock`	`Diao: means that it just rolled over duah!`
`10:10.24`	`Diao`	`rolled over from what`
`10:10.25`	`Diao`	`o_o`
`10:10.26`	`thul`	`http://folk.uio.no/ulrikft/miss.png <- depressing`
`10:10.29`	`thul`	`:-(`
`10:10.39`	`Orionshock`	`honor just rolled -`
`10:10.40`	`Diao`	`i mean`
`10:10.42`	`Orionshock`	`IE new week!`
`10:10.43`	`Diao`	`i didn't play any games at all`
`10:10.44`	`Diao`	`last week`
`10:10.48`	`Diao`	`for the entire week`
`10:10.50`	`Diao`	`yet somehow i gained points`
`10:10.56`	`Orionshock`	`karma?`
`10:11.09`	`Diao`	`i guess`
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`10:12.10`	`thul`	`so, i just got arena points?`
`10:12.10`	`*** part/#wowace eth01 (n=ub3r@cpc2-stkp3-0-0-cust773.manc.cable.ntl.com)`
`10:12.10`	`thul`	`so, i just got arena ponice`
`10:12.35`	`evl`	`thul: how much hit? :P`
`10:13.57`	`thul`	`don't want to talk about it :(`
`10:14.00`	`thul`	`(147)`
`10:14.33`	`Diao`	`figured it out`
`10:14.39`	`Diao`	`i played games on a friend's team earlier this week`
`10:14.43`	`Diao`	`but i left it to join another friend's team`
`10:14.50`	`Diao`	`apparently it counted me as part of that team for the calculation`
`10:16.27`	`thul`	`but i have gemmed it up to 170 now (iirc) and I'll gem it up to about 220.. and spec swords :-P`
`10:21.49`	`CIA-8`	`03aliset 07aliset_effective_health * r55523 10TankPoints/TankPoints.lua:`
`10:21.49`	`CIA-8`	`TankPoints:`
`10:21.49`	`CIA-8`	`- Fixing a cosmetic bug (the ",701,245" bug) resulted in a bit more work than I had planned. Ah well.`
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`10:26.50`	`CIA-8`	`03paene * r55524 10Cryolysis2/Cryolysis2.lua:`
`10:26.50`	`CIA-8`	`Cryolysis2:`
`10:26.50`	`CIA-8`	`-Clarified custom button usage so people stop asking the same question a million and one times.`
`10:27.14`	`Orionshock`	`wtb oRA2 update for Rebirth CD`
`10:27.20`	`Orionshock`	`it's now 20 mins not 30`
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`10:29.43`	`Cheads`	`Orionshock that was updated: r54559 \| durcyn \| 2007-11-13: oRA2: CD 1 (rebirth) is now 20, was 30.`
`10:29.43`	`nevcairiel`	`Orionshock: already been updated, l2update`
`10:29.56`	`Orionshock`	`meh`
`10:32.31`	`markt_`	`can anybody suggest an addon which allows me to move the chat input frame?`
`10:32.43`	`markt_`	`i imagined prat would do it, but can't find any option`
`10:33.17`	`[Ammo]`	`Orionshock: it is updated, but your druids are lazy cunts`
`10:33.33`	`xerawx`	`markt_: Prat does it.. EditBox module`
`10:33.39`	`xerawx`	`position: undocked`
`10:34.44`	`markt_`	`awesome, found it, thanks :-D`
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`10:38.05`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`g'morning all :)`
`10:38.16`	`sylvanaar`	`g'morning`
`10:38.31`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`anything fun happening?`
`10:39.39`	`sylvanaar`	`clearly no`
`10:40.15`	`Orionshock`	`auctioneer does guild com?`
`10:40.20`	`Orionshock`	`wth?`
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`10:40.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`10:40.32`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`bloody fucking DCs`
`10:40.33`	`Orionshock`	`wtf for?`
`10:40.47`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`did the wowui issue resolve btw?`
`10:41.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`if i say "?[item link]" in my guild ill get a whisper from somebody running auctioneer with aution price info for that item using data from everybody in the guild running auctioneer`
`10:42.46`	`markt_`	`anybody having problems with hotkey mappings not appearing on their bartender bars?`
`10:43.39`	`Diao`	`and if they have smartwords enabled it'll work if they ask how much is [item link] worth?`
`10:43.53`	`Diao`	`my hotkeys appear fine o_O`
`10:44.25`	`*** join/#wowace dispel (n=navneets@121.223.57.235)`
`10:44.31`	`dispel`	`hello friends`
`10:44.48`	`Diao`	`Welcome, citizen.`
`10:45.08`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`people I don't know that say I'm their friend kinda scares me :`
`10:45.11`	`markt_`	`i'm getting the normal 1..= hotkey mappings in bar1`
`10:45.13`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`:<`
`10:45.26`	`Diao`	`what keybindings aren't showing up?`
`10:45.29`	`markt_`	`but i'm not getting any of my alt/shift+key mappings in other bars`
`10:45.43`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`10:45.45`	`markt_`	`toggling "Hotkey" appears to have no effect`
`10:45.48`	`Diao`	`my bindings on bar 2 show up just fine`
`10:45.51`	`Diao`	`with ctrl-1 to =`
`10:45.55`	`Orionshock`	`Arrowmaster: adv only? or does the regular one have it too?`
`10:46.01`	`Diao`	`both have it Orionshock`
`10:46.05`	`dispel`	`oionshock`
`10:46.05`	`Diao`	`however`
`10:46.08`	`Diao`	`if i do`
`10:46.14`	`dispel`	`me = love your ui`
`10:46.19`	`Diao`	`ctrl-alt-x or ctrl-shift-x or alt-shift-x`
`10:46.21`	`Diao`	`it will show up as a .`
`10:46.24`	`dispel`	`just it would be better if u changed the blue to a light greyish`
`10:46.27`	`Diao`	`because it's too large to show up`
`10:46.43`	`Orionshock`	`dispel: no`
`10:46.46`	`markt_`	`ah, doh, i know what it is`
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`10:46.48`	`Orionshock`	`i am not packing it up for you`
`10:46.52`	`dispel`	`i kno`
`10:46.53`	`dispel`	`i was saying`
`10:46.54`	`dispel`	`its good`
`10:46.55`	`dispel`	`:p`
`10:46.58`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`what happened to the wowui.incgamers vs ace community war?`
`10:47.05`	`markt_`	`it's cos the mappings are for blizz ui bars not bartender`
`10:47.07`	`markt_`	`<-- nub`
`10:47.10`	`Diao`	`they removed it afaik?`
`10:47.21`	`Xinhuan`	`war?`
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`10:47.43`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`I know they said they did, but several people has said it wasn't after all...`
`10:47.46`	`Diao`	`a minor dispute`
`10:48.00`	`Xinhuan`	`minor dispute ~= war`
`10:48.02`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`Xinhuan: don't take everything absolutely literally`
`10:48.20`	`Diao`	`a difference of opinion, if you will`
`10:48.27`	`Xinhuan`	`about what`
`10:48.54`	`Diao`	`incgamers read the rss file of wowace`
`10:49.03`	`Diao`	`and auto-downloaded the ace addons from files.wowace.com`
`10:49.10`	`Diao`	`and uploaded to their own servers for people to download from`
`10:49.30`	`Xinhuan`	`how is that a problem/issue?`
`10:49.37`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`- without concent from addon authers`
`10:49.42`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`authors*, even`
`10:49.43`	`Diao`	`they didn't ask`
`10:49.47`	`Xinhuan`	`it spreads the bandwidth load`
`10:49.52`	`Xinhuan`	`and makes the addons more known`
`10:50.00`	`Diao`	`some didn't want their addons there`
`10:50.17`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`If people hadn't uploaded their addons to wowui.incgamers.com, chances are they don't want them there...`
`10:50.27`	`Diao`	`and since svn/whatever is considered "beta-quality" they didn't want it uploaded to a "final version" site`
`10:50.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`most user comments on that site are from morons that dont know wtf theyre doing, do you really want to give them beta addons?`
`10:50.36`	`Diao`	`where people who don't know anything about ui modding would complain if it was buggy`
`10:50.51`	`Xinhuan`	`so is this resolved yet?`
`10:50.55`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`the problem was tbh the incgamers people being complete arsehats when questions got raised`
`10:51.08`	`Diao`	`afaik the incgamers admins took down the wowace stuff`
`10:51.20`	`Diao`	`after a few pages of um.. discussion`
`10:51.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`also they said they would not do that but instead list the addons, mark them as beta, disable comments, and link them to wowace.com`
`10:51.31`	`Orionshock`	`bear boss -- what's the key?`
`10:51.37`	`Diao`	`2 tanks`
`10:51.42`	`Diao`	`taunt when he changes forms`
`10:52.17`	`Shirik`	`bear boss is rather simple :/`
`10:52.24`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:52.28`	`Shirik`	`you just need two semi-competent tanks`
`10:52.47`	`thul`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:52.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`but im betting they would directlink to the latest version and thus end up getting a rule added to the webserver to block anything with a reffer of incgamers.com since they would effectively be stealing the ad revenue by direct linking and skiping wowace's ads`
`10:52.51`	`thul`	`lynx too :P`
`10:52.59`	`Shirik`	`eagle boss is pretty simple too :/`
`10:53.07`	`thul`	`oo :-(`
`10:53.11`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`another issue was that people don't like that incgamers gain ad-revenue just from mirroring wowace's addons`
`10:53.20`	`Shirik`	`people just need to pay attention, the fights aren't hard`
`10:53.23`	`Diao`	`they're all pretty easy`
`10:53.27`	`Diao`	`if your guild is semi-competent`
`10:53.28`	`Orionshock`	`i know it's important but...`
`10:53.29`	`Shirik`	`they don't require any abnormal DPS or anything like this`
`10:53.31`	`Diao`	`until hex/zul i think`
`10:53.37`	`Shirik`	`they just require that people pay attention`
`10:53.46`	`thul`	`people do not`
`10:53.51`	`Orionshock`	`Ads what an annoying idea in a freeware setup`
`10:54.02`	`Shirik`	`thul: /your team/ does not`
`10:54.14`	`Shirik`	`do not extend your generalization to teams that have had no trouble with it`
`10:54.17`	`Cheads`	`the change for Manufac snoop til PT3.1 ruined all the categories, all 'snoop' items are not Unsorted =(`
`10:54.17`	`Diao`	`lol`
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`10:55.01`	`Shirik`	`There are two major problems with 2.3: First is all the new people that think that now that they just need honored, somehow they are immediately capable of going into heroics, when they are severely undergeared`
`10:55.20`	`Shirik`	`Problem 2 is ZA where people that haven't even done heroics seem to think that they can do ZA without knowing the fights at all and having no raid discipline`
`10:55.27`	`Diao`	`yep`
`10:55.33`	`Xinhuan`	`its fine, they can pay repairs`
`10:55.38`	`Shirik`	`The guilds that have been doing the eye and such should have no problem with the fghts`
`10:55.41`	`Xinhuan`	`thru that they learn`
`10:55.42`	`Diao`	`in my guild we restricted ZA to only the people who had full/near full kara gear`
`10:55.47`	`Orionshock`	`Shirik: i think thats in general not just specific to ZA`
`10:55.56`	`Orionshock`	`i've seen that in Kara like nothing else`
`10:55.56`	`Diao`	`people who didn't meet that requirement weren't permitted to go, and we breezed through ZA`
`10:56.01`	`Shirik`	`It's specific to ZA in 2.3 given that it's new and everyone suddenly decided to try it out`
`10:56.10`	`kebinusan`	`I blame welfare epics`
`10:56.14`	`Shirik`	`but yes it does extend further`
`10:56.36`	`Xinhuan`	`oh its like naxx :)`
`10:56.46`	`Xinhuan`	`it came out and MC lvl guilds decided to try it HEHE`
`10:56.52`	`Orionshock`	`i blame wellfare epics too`
`10:56.56`	`Orionshock`	`OLD SCHOOL FTW`
`10:57.06`	`dispel`	`orion http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5574/wowscrnshot111907195836kb1.jpg :D`
`10:57.10`	`Orionshock`	`if you don't raid you have to suck it up with 6months to the epic`
`10:57.15`	`Shirik`	`but see, ZA is different from Naxx in the fact that it doesn't require any abnormal gear`
`10:57.23`	`Diao`	`meh same happens with every new raid instance that comes out`
`10:57.26`	`Shirik`	`if you are geared for kara you could probably do OK in ZA, but it requires raid discipline`
`10:57.42`	`Shirik`	`it's that second part that most dont' have`
`10:57.56`	`kebinusan`	`I dunny the dragon hawk boss requires you not be a total idiot, we ended up replacing two players who couldnt live through the bombs ever`
`10:58.16`	`Shirik`	`there is so much space`
`10:58.20`	`Shirik`	`I don't understand why people can't get out of the way`
`10:58.40`	`Shirik`	`If I were Blizzard I would have been a lot more evil on that fight ^^;`
`10:58.58`	`Diao`	`you know ZA is going to get nerfed in a month or two`
`10:59.05`	`Shirik`	`of course`
`10:59.15`	`Shirik`	`"oh noes it is too hard in 20 minutes"`
`10:59.23`	`Diao`	`then all the guilds that completed it pre-nerf will be like "you scrubs, we did it back when it wasn't nerfed"`
`10:59.24`	`Xinhuan`	`uh do you realize the dragonhawk boss was already nerfed from PTR?`
`10:59.26`	`Diao`	`;p`
`10:59.28`	`Xinhuan`	`it was a lot harder in PTR`
`10:59.31`	`thul`	`we just do it simple.. when it is 5 seconds left to cloud, we all gather at one spot`
`10:59.31`	`Diao`	`yea`
`10:59.33`	`kebinusan`	`they nerfed alot from ptr`
`10:59.34`	`thul`	`simple.`
`10:59.36`	`Diao`	`we sent a team to test it on PTR`
`10:59.37`	`Xinhuan`	`he throws more bombs and the bombs did more damage`
`10:59.39`	`Diao`	`in kara gear`
`10:59.46`	`kebinusan`	`the bear boss could stand to lose some hp though, that fight is as boring as golemagg`
`10:59.47`	`thul`	`we do it in kara gear`
`10:59.56`	`thul`	`anyways, food breakzors`
`11:00.01`	`Diao`	`but people will complain that it's too difficult and it will get nerfed`
`11:00.02`	`Diao`	`just like heroics`
`11:00.21`	`Xinhuan`	`btw has there been any glaring bugs found yet`
`11:00.24`	`Diao`	`and now that heroics are honored, people who have never stepped foot in an instance will complain that it's too hard, heroics will get nerfed, and badges will be ridiculously easy to get`
`11:00.24`	`Xinhuan`	`for guildbanks`
`11:00.34`	`dispel`	`can any one give me any tips on my ui http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5574/wowscrnshot111907195836kb1.jpg`
`11:00.38`	`Diao`	`none that i've seen`
`11:00.43`	`Diao`	`well, one annoying thing`
`11:00.52`	`Diao`	`if you put an item in and take the same item out (if you aren't gm)`
`11:01.04`	`Diao`	`it counts toward your withdrawal limit for the day, so be careful not to put in the wrong items :P`
`11:01.27`	`Diao`	`doesn't matter for me, as i can fix that for my guildies, but it could be annoying if someone hit their withdraw limit and wasn't paying attention`
`11:01.33`	`kebinusan`	`I wisht hey had made tabs cheaper and charged more for slots, since tabs are basically organizing`
`11:01.35`	`Diao`	`or if they have no withdraw access and put an item in on accident`
`11:01.49`	`Shirik`	`or if they have no withdraw access and fill the guild bank with happy fun rocks`
`11:01.56`	`Shirik`	`like some guilds >.>`
`11:02.01`	`Shirik`	`<.<`
`11:02.06`	`Diao`	`yeah we had someone fill it with tons of rockets and fireworks`
`11:02.15`	`Diao`	`we just took them out and vendored them and deposited the gold into the bank`
`11:02.16`	`Diao`	`lol`
`11:02.21`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`11:02.23`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`11:02.27`	`Xinhuan`	`whats your withdraw limit`
`11:02.33`	`Diao`	`depends on the tab`
`11:02.33`	`Xinhuan`	`1? 2? 10?`
`11:02.43`	`Diao`	`for pots/flasks 5 stacks`
`11:02.51`	`Diao`	`enchanting mats we have people ask officers`
`11:02.59`	`Diao`	`crafting mats it's at 50`
`11:03.00`	`winkiller`	`WAU just died :/`
`11:03.03`	`Arcaia`	`dispel : you need lots of work sir >.>`
`11:03.17`	`Diao`	`we only have 3 tabs atm so that's it for now`
`11:03.32`	`kebinusan`	`withdraw limits beign stacks is sorta bad too`
`11:03.52`	`kebinusan`	`people keep taking out stacks of void crystals then depositing back what they dont use`
`11:03.58`	`kebinusan`	`which is just damn annoying to track`
`11:04.01`	`Diao`	`shift-click`
`11:04.03`	`Diao`	`while withdrawing`
`11:04.11`	`Diao`	`you can separate a stack just like a regular vendor/bank`
`11:04.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`or dont put them in the tabs in stacks`
`11:04.27`	`CIA-8`	`03dotted * r55525 10Recap/ (17 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)`
`11:04.27`	`CIA-8`	`Recap:`
`11:04.27`	`CIA-8`	`- Updated toc for release 2.3.`
`11:04.27`	`CIA-8`	`- Improved tracking and listing of members in synchronization, to include their`
`11:04.27`	`CIA-8`	`server and their Recap version. The list of members shows those who are active`
`11:04.27`	`CIA-8`	`followed by those who are inactive (have not been heard from for ten seconds).`
`11:04.29`	`CIA-8`	`The count of people in synchronization in the title bar of the main panel is`
`11:04.36`	`Diao`	`we have so many enchanting mats that i have to put them in stacks`
`11:04.38`	`Diao`	`:(`
`11:04.40`	`kebinusan`	`yeah, Im not ready to buy the last bank slot yet just to do that`
`11:04.54`	`markt_`	`anybody have any suggestions for what might be putting my keyboard layout into en_US rather than en_GB?`
`11:05.04`	`Diao`	`windows?`
`11:05.10`	`markt_`	`nah, works fine outside of wow`
`11:05.14`	`Diao`	`mm`
`11:05.16`	`Shirik`	`magic`
`11:05.17`	`Diao`	`using en_US client?`
`11:05.23`	`markt_`	`nope`
`11:05.36`	`markt_`	`it was working fine before 2.3...`
`11:05.38`	`Shirik`	`That's the answer in my phyiscs class whenever the professor asks why something works`
`11:05.40`	`Shirik`	`magic`
`11:05.44`	`markt_`	`...but then i've installed some more addons since :)`
`11:05.47`	`kebinusan`	`cant you edit config.wtf and change it from en_GB`
`11:05.57`	`markt_`	`but now, for eg. i can't bind my # key (boo!)`
`11:06.05`	`markt_`	`and i have two \ =]`
`11:06.05`	`Shirik`	`hehe, probably some addon that thinks enUS == enGB`
`11:06.08`	`Shirik`	`and messes with it`
`11:06.12`	`Diao`	`lol`
`11:06.14`	Xion`	`markt_ shift+alt?`
`11:06.24`	`kebinusan`	`or /console set locale en_US or w/e`
`11:06.24`	`Diao`	`that's a pro physics teacher`
`11:06.32`	`kebinusan`	`err enUS`
`11:06.47`	`Diao`	`i think he wants it in enGB and it's being set to enUS`
`11:06.57`	`kebinusan`	`then do the opposite`
`11:07.08`	`markt_`	`no effect`
`11:07.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`i didnt think wow had a enGB locale`
`11:07.30`	`markt_`	`let me try relogging and see if i can narrow it down to something - i have a feeling it's fine to begin with`
`11:07.38`	`Diao`	`why wouldn't it o:`
`11:08.14`	`markt_`	`hmm, when i say relog, i mean quit and start it up again :-p -- the login screen thinks it's in enUS too`
`11:08.45`	`Shirik`	`kebinusan: That would be eNUS`
`11:08.49`	`markt_`	`hmm - it's definitely ok initally`
`11:08.49`	`Shirik`	`enUS *`
`11:08.51`	`Shirik`	`there is no _`
`11:09.04`	`markt_`	`i tried both :)`
`11:09.08`	`Shirik`	`markt_: Try this`
`11:09.58`	`kebinusan`	`Shirik: yeah`
`11:10.03`	`Shirik`	`run /script scv = SetCVar; SetCVar = function(v, d) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("CVar "..tostring(v).." changed to "..tostring(d)) scv(v,d) end`
`11:10.10`	`Shirik`	`and see if you get any kind of message`
`11:10.14`	`Diao`	`o_O`
`11:10.26`	`kebinusan`	`damnit my 2v2 has dropped 15 places this week by not playing`
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`11:10.44`	`winkiller`	`AAAAAAH, everytime I don't have a bash I curse windows`
`11:11.24`	`markt_`	`Shirik: at the moment (now i've restarted the client) that emits nothing`
`11:11.34`	`markt_`	`let me see if i can make the client confused again :)`
`11:11.36`	`Shirik`	`is your locale still enGB?`
`11:11.46`	`CIA-8`	`03damjau * r55526 10AckisRecipeList/ARLLocals-koKR.lua:`
`11:11.46`	`CIA-8`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`11:11.46`	`CIA-8`	`- copy file for koKR locals`
`11:11.58`	`Shirik`	`it won't emit something until something runs SetCVar(), which is the easiest way to change the cvar locale`
`11:12.06`	`Shirik`	`there are other ways, but that's beyond the scope of that tes`
`11:12.55`	`markt_`	`right, gotcha`
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`11:16.57`	`Shirik`	`I don't think locale should have anything to do with it really`
`11:17.07`	`Shirik`	`I just tried manually modifying that CVar and the keyboard layout did not change`
`11:17.14`	`Shirik`	`at least, I don't THINK you guys have a $ on your keyboard`
`11:17.44`	`markt_`	`yeah, we do shift+4`
`11:18.08`	`markt_`	`we have �@ where you have ", and " where you have @ though - that's the easiest test i think`
`11:19.35`	`Shirik`	`@ works as normal too`
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`11:20.10`	`Xinhuan`	`maybe`
`11:20.15`	`Xinhuan`	`you should just reboot your computer`
`11:20.42`	`markt_`	`lol :)`
`11:22.38`	`Pkekyo\|work`	`hmm`
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`11:23.41`	`markt_`	`well, i can't seem to trigger it myself - it's happened a few times since 2.3 though, not just this morning`
`11:24.01`	`markt_`	`when i narrow it down, i'll let you know :)`
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`11:29.07`	`Borked\|Raider`	`Are ther anything like pointers in lua, dont seam to get this workign the way i want. I got TBL_DB.ADDON1 = nil; db = TBL_DB.ADDON1, TBL_DB.ADDON1 = {...}; should print(tostring(db)) not print "table: xxxxx" and not "nil" ?`
`11:30.16`	`cladhaire`	`all non-primitives in lua are references`
`11:30.22`	`cladhaire`	`when you set TBL_DB.ADDON 1 = nil`
`11:30.33`	`cladhaire`	`then you assign that to db, db is now nil`
`11:30.48`	`cladhaire`	`db will remain nil until you bind a reference to it with assignment.`
`11:30.57`	`Borked\|Raider`	`hmm`
`11:31.11`	`cladhaire`	`you can play with it using lua_bot`
`11:31.23`	`cladhaire`	`in #luabot`
`11:31.26`	`cladhaire`	`just messing with things`
`11:31.42`	`Borked\|Raider`	`non-primitives, so if i started by saying TBL_DB.ADDON1 = {}, and then changed it after db was set, then it would work?`
`11:31.43`	`cladhaire`	`lua> local t= {} print(t)`
`11:31.43`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: { } (#1)`
`11:31.57`	`cladhaire`	`Borked\|Raider: not if you make a NEW table`
`11:32.01`	`cladhaire`	`bt if you alter that table, absolutely`
`11:32.03`	`Borked\|Raider`	`oki`
`11:32.18`	`Borked\|Raider`	`thx`
`11:32.27`	`cladhaire`	`lua> TBL_DB = {}; TBL_DB.ADDON1 = {}; db = TBL_DB.ADDON1; TBL_DB_ADDON1.monkey = true; print(db.monkey)`
`11:32.27`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: [string "TBL_DB = {}; TBL_DB.ADDON1 = {}; db = TBL_D..."]:1: attempt to index global 'TBL_DB_ADDON1' (a nil value)`
`11:32.35`	`cladhaire`	`lua> TBL_DB = {}; TBL_DB.ADDON1 = {}; db = TBL_DB.ADDON1; TBL_DB.ADDON1.monkey = true; print(db.monkey)`
`11:32.36`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: true`
`11:32.39`	`Borked\|Raider`	`i got a terminal with lua in cladhaire, but it was just that i was unsure`
`11:32.43`	`cladhaire`	`nod`
`11:32.51`	`CIA-8`	`03kilrogg * r55527 10FuBar_AnkhTimerFu/ (. AnkhTimerFu.lua FuBar_AnkhTimerFu.toc embeds.xml):`
`11:32.51`	`CIA-8`	`FuBar_AnkhTimerFu: - updated TOC to 20300`
`11:32.51`	`CIA-8`	`- added notes deDE`
`11:32.51`	`CIA-8`	`- added embeds.xml`
`11:32.51`	`CIA-8`	`- fixed OptionalDeps (fixes SpecialEvents-Bags not being loaded if stand-alone sometimes)`
`11:33.00`	`Paradox`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:33.06`	`Paradox`	`that change is going to own for Omen?`
`11:33.34`	`Diao`	`it will own for any combat log parsing addons?`
`11:33.57`	`cladhaire`	`there will be no more "combat log parsing" addons`
`11:34.00`	`cladhaire`	`cause there's no parsing to do :P`
`11:34.24`	`Diao`	`well`
`11:34.26`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`11:34.30`	`Paradox`	`I think you missed my main point`
`11:34.43`	`cladhaire`	`i didn't, no.`
`11:34.50`	`cladhaire`	`considering i didn't argue with or contradict you`
`11:34.53`	`[Ammo]`	`there will only potentially be filtering addons on top of the new combatlog stuff`
`11:34.54`	`Paradox`	`omens main feature is that it tracks threat on different mobs, but if there's multiples of the mob with the same name, this change will fix that, and it will be better?`
`11:34.55`	`Borked\|Raider`	`guess i will just write TBL_DB.ADDON1 instead of trying to make a shortcut to it`
`11:34.59`	`cladhaire`	`...`
`11:34.59`	`Paradox`	`also, I was talking to diao not you`
`11:35.01`	`Paradox`	`so stfu`
`11:35.05`	`cladhaire`	`no, you stfu`
`11:35.07`	`cladhaire`	`in the face.`
`11:35.15`	`Paradox`	`you stfu in the face!`
`11:35.25`	`cladhaire`	`oh burn`
`11:35.33`	`Paradox`	`diaf!`
`11:35.38`	`Xinhuan`	`~popcorn`
`11:35.39`	`purl`	`Mmmm, I like E-drama!`
`11:35.48`	`[Ammo]`	`or even better, marshmellows`
`11:35.53`	`[Ammo]`	`enough flaming going on ;)`
`11:35.56`	`cladhaire`	`stop being a combat log 2.4 revamp nazi`
`11:36.03`	`Xinhuan`	`~marshmellow`
`11:36.26`	`Orionshock`	`wtb [Sanity Checker]`
`11:36.32`	`Borked\|Raider`	`now in the middle of all that, hmm is it as he asked, that you can track difference mobs with same name with the changes coming?`
`11:36.42`	`Xinhuan`	`nobody knows`
`11:36.46`	`Borked\|Raider`	`k`
`11:36.53`	`[Ammo]`	`Borked\|Raider: yes you can, since they are uniquely identified`
`11:37.03`	`Borked\|Raider`	`ammo knew Xinhuan :D`
`11:37.04`	`[Ammo]`	`however I don't know if that unique identifier can be linked to a unitid`
`11:37.04`	`Borked\|Raider`	`:)`
`11:37.18`	`[Ammo]`	`it might just be: Channeler:1 Channeler:2`
`11:37.20`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm fairly sure slouken didn't announce anything about identifying unique mobs o_O`
`11:37.21`	`[Ammo]`	`or whatever`
`11:37.49`	`[Ammo]`	`the post included a sentence about different mobs with the same name having a different GUID in the combat log in 2.4`
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`11:39.21`	`Orionshock`	`ammo - i'll bet they'll tag on an extra var to the event with a mob# in it`
`11:39.31`	`cladhaire`	`you can't link a guid to a unit`
`11:39.34`	`starlon`	`It's inferred from the code he posted.`
`11:39.52`	`cladhaire`	`you can determine what the relationship of a mob is to you, i.e. if someone in your raid was fighting it, or it was your target`
`11:40.03`	`cladhaire`	`at the moment the message came across, and thus can filter it after the point`
`11:40.20`	`cladhaire`	`but you won't need to use unitids anymore, is the moral of the story`
`11:40.54`	`inph`	`anyone point me in the direction of some good reading material about frames?`
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`11:41.34`	`Xinhuan`	`i wouldn't really take slouken's announcement seriously`
`11:41.46`	`Xinhuan`	`a lot could have changed since the months`
`11:42.29`	`cladhaire`	`Xinhuan: what do you mean?`
`11:42.42`	`Xinhuan`	`like giving a GUID`
`11:42.52`	`cladhaire`	`...`
`11:42.54`	`cladhaire`	`we're getting one`
`11:43.04`	`cladhaire`	`that's been announced since Blizzcon, and the code supports that.`
`11:43.20`	`cladhaire`	`the code he posted yesterday`
`11:43.34`	`Xinhuan`	`i haven't read anything he posted yesterday`
`11:43.43`	`Xinhuan`	`care to link?`
`11:43.45`	`cladhaire`	`well its in the 2.4 changes thread`
`11:43.53`	`cladhaire`	`stickied in the UI forums`
`11:44.10`	`[Ammo]`	`he even posted code on how to handle the new events`
`11:44.26`	`Orionshock`	`.... ok sanity check`
`11:44.32`	`cladhaire`	`but what i said still applies, en masse`
`11:44.39`	`[Ammo]`	`yup`
`11:44.40`	`Orionshock`	`flasked and potted for trash pulls on learning an encounter?`
`11:44.43`	`cladhaire`	`Xinhuan: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&pageNo=1&sid=1#9`
`11:44.52`	`cladhaire`	`flasked, absolutely`
`11:44.57`	`[Ammo]`	`Orionshock: if your raids are 4 hours -> 2 flasks`
`11:44.58`	`[Ammo]`	`why not flask`
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`11:45.04`	`cladhaire`	`otherwise you're gonna take longer to learn the encounter`
`11:45.07`	`[Ammo]`	`it's not like you lose them upon death`
`11:45.09`	`Orionshock`	`whats the point?`
`11:45.28`	`[Ammo]`	`the point is to get that extra bit for little extra cost`
`11:45.30`	`Xinhuan`	`wtf thats a lot he posted`
`11:45.33`	`Orionshock`	`seriously in all honesty is that minor difference going to pass or fail on an encounter?`
`11:45.39`	`cladhaire`	`it can be, yes`
`11:45.40`	`[Ammo]`	`if you raid for 4 hoours -> 2 flasks = 40g`
`11:45.41`	`Orionshock`	`....`
`11:45.44`	`cladhaire`	`the extra DPS, or healing that you need`
`11:45.45`	`Borked\|Raider`	`is it lua50 wow used or 51?`
`11:45.48`	`[Ammo]`	`51`
`11:45.52`	`cladhaire`	`Borked\|Raider: 5.1`
`11:45.56`	`cladhaire`	`modified`
`11:46.10`	`thul`	`2xflask of relentless assault is like 40g`
`11:46.11`	`thul`	`not much`
`11:46.18`	`thul`	`20 minutes of primal mana farming in netherstorm :-P`
`11:46.28`	`cladhaire`	`3 dailies and you can flash cheaply`
`11:46.32`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`11:46.40`	xyu`	`i flash for free!`
`11:46.47`	`[Ammo]`	`eep`
`11:47.19`	`cladhaire`	`personally, i get pissed if my guildmates arent' showing up prepared to learn an encounter`
`11:47.21`	`cladhaire`	`this means flasked and with consumables`
`11:47.29`	`inph`	`it's still better to take the mats to an elixir master and gamble for procs`
`11:47.30`	xyu`	`as you should be`
`11:47.37`	`cladhaire`	`it just slows the guild down`
`11:47.47`	`[Ammo]`	`cladhaire: and most importantly, with having read the tactic that will be used`
`11:47.48`	xyu`	`i don't generally like flasks, i think 2x elixirs are better`
`11:47.57`	`[Ammo]`	`flasks are cheap for learning`
`11:48.00`	`cladhaire`	xyu`: yeah they end up costing the same, depending on the amount of wipes.
`11:48.04`	`cladhaire`	`i flask for kills`
`11:48.06`	`cladhaire`	`err`
`11:48.10`	`cladhaire`	`elixir for kills, flask for learning`
`11:48.19`	`[Ammo]`	`I flask for everything, I'm a cheapskate :)`
`11:48.28`	`[Ammo]`	`flask of pure death`
`11:48.37`	`Borked\|Raider`	`var1 = 5, var2 = var1; Posible to write that some other way, var1, var2 = 5.`
`11:48.50`	xyu`	`there's no way to take primal waters and burn them back down to motes is there? i want to make frost elixirs and i have like a ton of primals lol`
`11:49.00`	xyu`	`i know you can w/ earth / fire`
`11:49.12`	`thul`	`i just dislike vents lacking support for mac :-(`
`11:49.25`	`cladhaire`	`uhh vent has a native mac client for vent 3.0`
`11:49.30`	`cladhaire`	`Borked\|Raider: you can x,y = 1,2`
`11:49.42`	`thul`	`cladhaire: that supports speex...`
`11:49.46`	`cladhaire`	`but if you need y to be equal to x, and x is non-primitive.. then you'd need to use two statements`
`11:49.46`	`winkiller`	`can someone tell me something about SavedVariables? when there are huge <addon>.lua files, does that imply they are loaded? thinking of various loot/quest/loggers etc`
`11:49.47`	`thul`	`and when guild is not using speex`
`11:49.50`	`thul`	`i have a problem :-P`
`11:49.58`	`cladhaire`	`thul: that's a guild problem, not a vent problem :P`
`11:50.04`	`winkiller`	`I mean.. are savedvariables always read or only if the mod author chooses to do so`
`11:50.05`	`thul`	`well, still :-)`
`11:50.22`	`cladhaire`	`winkiller: savedvariables are registered in the .toc and they are read unconditionally`
`11:50.28`	`cladhaire`	`when the addon associated is loaded.`
`11:50.47`	`winkiller`	`mhm, so better delete em once in a while if you think the data is obsolete, I guess`
`11:50.48`	xyu`	`so make sure you clean that recount data >:)`
`11:50.51`	`winkiller`	`thanks anyway`
`11:51.54`	`winkiller`	`oh, and one more thing - when are the .bak files created? I've seen such a huge gab of some minutes old, others months old, even if the orifginal got updated lateky`
`11:52.13`	`cladhaire`	`they are created each time you reload, or exit the game and new savedvariables files are written`
`11:52.26`	`cladhaire`	`they aren't removed when an addon is deleted from your addons directory tho`
`11:52.34`	`cladhaire`	`btu they also arent' loaded.`
`11:52.41`	`winkiller`	`mhm, maybe I didn't look`
`11:52.49`	`Xinhuan`	`.bak files are created on a new patch build, or when a .bak doesn't exist.`
`11:52.56`	`Xinhuan`	`that's it`
`11:52.57`	`winkiller`	`I was under the impression that original changed several times and not the bak`
`11:52.59`	`Xinhuan`	`no special rule`
`11:53.11`	`cladhaire`	`Xinhuan: they dont get backed up on SV save?`
`11:53.11`	`winkiller`	`that makes more sense`
`11:53.15`	`cladhaire`	`interesting :P`
`11:53.16`	`Xinhuan`	`nope cladhaire`
`11:53.18`	`cladhaire`	`cool`
`11:53.20`	`winkiller`	`thanks`
`11:53.36`	`Borked\|Raider`	`cladhaire, ye i know, what i was looking for was a way to assign 2 vars to the same value/table. Raider_DB.RAIDATT.CURRENT = Raider.RaidLog:new(CurrentLog);--if CurrentLog is nil, a new table is created; CurrentLog = Raider_DB.RAIDATT.CURRENT; --RaidLog:new() returns a table, and when it have build the table and returned it so Raider_DB.RAIDATT.CURRENT point at it, then i want CurrentLog to point to the same table. Im just trying to figure out`
`11:53.36`	`Borked\|Raider`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:53.36`	`CIA-8`	`03chuanhsing * r55528 10TradeskillInfo/ (TradeskillData-zhTW.lua TradeskillInfo.toc): TradeskillInfo: add zhTW translate`
`11:54.01`	`cladhaire`	`Borked\|Raider: then after the first table is created, you set the second variable to it.`
`11:54.06`	`Xinhuan`	`it only makes a .bak when it doesn't find it`
`11:54.21`	`Xinhuan`	`doesn't even seem to make a new one with a new wow.exe build actually`
`11:54.22`	`Borked\|Raider`	`cladhaire, ye thats waht im doing now. ok`
`11:54.35`	`winkiller`	`oy. Recount.lua 10MB :P`
`11:54.48`	`winkiller`	`that's when you hide & forget, lol`
`11:55.30`	`Borked\|Raider`	`how does the cleaner thing(doh cant remember the right name), does it just erase things in memory when there are no references to it?`
`11:55.40`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`11:55.49`	`Borked\|Raider`	`what was the name i was looking for?`
`11:56.02`	`Xinhuan`	`garbage collector`
`11:56.05`	`Borked\|Raider`	`ye tx`
`11:56.26`	`inph`	`does CreateFont do the same thing as FontString ?`
`11:56.33`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`11:56.52`	`Shirik`	`Borked\|Raider: That's not necessarily true`
`11:57.03`	`Shirik`	`it frees things at some point after which there are no references to it`
`11:57.03`	`Xinhuan`	`myframe:CreateFontString("name", "layer", "inheritsfrom")`
`11:57.09`	`Shirik`	`not "when" there are no references to it`
`11:57.19`	`inph`	`ta`
`11:57.37`	`Shirik`	`and in some cases, on the second pass of the GC, not the first`
`11:57.47`	`Xinhuan`	`also, to add to what Shirik says, an object can also get garbage collected if the only references to it are "weak references"`
`11:57.54`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`right`
`11:58.06`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I should have clarified to no /strong/ references`
`11:58.22`	`Xinhuan`	`all references are strong by default`
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`11:58.41`	`Xinhuan`	`unless you declare it weak (using a metatable's __mode)`
`11:58.51`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`weak tables are fun`
`11:59.25`	`Xinhuan`	`not when the weak table itself is hashed and grows ;p`
`11:59.31`	`Xinhuan`	`since itself isn't collected`
`11:59.47`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm not sure if it resizes itself properly on a GC cycle`
`12:00.06`	`Borked\|Raider`	`oki`
`12:01.03`	`Borked\|Raider`	`hmm, not know with strong and week tables.`
`12:01.33`	`Borked\|Raider`	`using metatables a few places. but what will it say its week?`
`12:01.35`	`Xinhuan`	`youll have to read the pil chapter on strong/weak tables to understand it`
`12:01.41`	`cladhaire`	`Xinhuan: tables are never downsized`
`12:01.42`	`Borked\|Raider`	`k`
`12:01.45`	`cladhaire`	`they're only resized when they need to grow`
`12:02.06`	`Xinhuan`	`so cladhaire, if i have a weak table cache, and it grows to 1000 items, and they get GCed`
`12:02.15`	`Xinhuan`	`the table still remains at 1000 sized worth of memory?`
`12:02.16`	`cladhaire`	`it is still a 1000 item table`
`12:02.18`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`12:02.22`	`cladhaire`	`thats a good thing`
`12:02.23`	`Xinhuan`	`bad lua.`
`12:02.29`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`12:02.31`	`cladhaire`	`that's a good thing`
`12:02.42`	`Xinhuan`	`elaborate?`
`12:02.45`	`cladhaire`	`there are many situations where a table being rehashed is a horrible thing`
`12:03.06`	`cladhaire`	`in those situations, you can pre-allocate how large the table needs to be through a number of ways`
`12:03.36`	`cladhaire`	`its a good thing that lua doesn't micromanage something like that`
`12:03.52`	`cladhaire`	`unexpected if you're someone who stuffs tons of things into a table, and expects if you clear them for everything to go down, but shrug`
`12:03.54`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I agree that's a very good thing`
`12:04.02`	`Xinhuan`	`so in this case, that memory can never be recovered?`
`12:04.03`	`winkiller`	`LOL http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-1.02.html`
`12:04.08`	`winkiller`	`didn't know that one`
`12:04.21`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`How often are you going to have a table that is so huge like that and suddenly deleted? It's a small price to pay for a huge benefit in performance`
`12:05.04`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`the entire computing world is based off tradeoffs`
`12:05.07`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`This is one of them :)`
`12:05.07`	`Xinhuan`	`ratingbuster`
`12:05.11`	`cladhaire`	`Xinhuan: you nil out the table, then its recovered.`
`12:05.11`	`Xinhuan`	`is an example of such an addon`
`12:05.24`	`cladhaire`	`or make a new one.`
`12:05.32`	`Tunga`	`presumably you GC the entire table, rather than the entire contents`
`12:05.37`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`12:05.43`	`cladhaire`	`as one would expect`
`12:05.44`	`Xinhuan`	`it stores and caches the result of every GetItemInfo() call in its internal weak table cache inside StatLogicLib`
`12:06.08`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm not sure if this is even a good idea`
`12:06.19`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`sounds like the author needs to reconsider his data storage mechanism tbh`
`12:06.32`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`anyway, off to shower`
`12:06.50`	`Xinhuan`	`statlogiclib then uses this cache if it exists, if it doesn't it makes the GII() call and stores it`
`12:06.59`	`cladhaire`	`lua> local t = {}; for i=1,1e5 do u = {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8}; t[i] = u; end print(gcinfo())`
`12:06.59`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: sandbox.lua:157: maximum memory (5000 KiB) exceeded`
`12:07.04`	`cladhaire`	`lua> local t = {}; for i=1,1e4 do u = {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8}; t[i] = u; end print(gcinfo())`
`12:07.04`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 1720`
`12:07.06`	`cladhaire`	`lua> local t = {}; for i=1,1e4 do u = {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8}; t[i] = u; end print(gcinfo())`
`12:07.06`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 1721`
`12:07.21`	`cladhaire`	`okay, its consistent`
`12:07.23`	`cladhaire`	`lua> local t = {}; for i=1,1e4 do u = {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8}; t[i] = u; end print(gcinfo())`
`12:07.23`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 1721`
`12:07.25`	`cladhaire`	`i'll test it later then`
`12:07.27`	`cladhaire`	`cba right now :P`
`12:07.33`	`cladhaire`	`just wanted to make sure the bot cleaned things properly :P`
`12:07.37`	`Xinhuan`	`do you think statlogiclib should have done that? :)`
`12:07.55`	`cladhaire`	`i think it makes sense`
`12:08.01`	`cladhaire`	`and saves calls to the cache`
`12:08.25`	`cladhaire`	`but you get _potential_ speed gain, at the cost of resident storage`
`12:08.45`	`Xinhuan`	`not sure to be honest`
`12:08.55`	`Xinhuan`	`is GetItemInfo() really that slow?`
`12:09.41`	`Xinhuan`	`since to use cached data, it uses a metatable __index lookup function to return the values if cached, so its still a function call plus a table lookup`
`12:10.06`	`cladhaire`	`no, i don't think it is`
`12:10.15`	`cladhaire`	`bet it ends up costing about the same`
`12:10.16`	`Tunga`	`just noticed ratingbuster thinks the whitemend set bonus is 10 int rather than 10% of int as healing`
`12:10.18`	`cladhaire`	`easy to profile and test`
`12:10.24`	`Tunga`	`need to report that one`
`12:11.10`	`Xinhuan`	`brb, checking`
`12:11.16`	`Xinhuan`	`appears whitetooth did some profiling`
`12:11.17`	`Xinhuan`	`-- self:GetSum(link, table)`
`12:11.17`	`Xinhuan`	`-- 1000 times: 0.82 sec without cache`
`12:11.17`	`Xinhuan`	`-- 1000 times: 0.04 sec with cache`
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`12:11.36`	`Xinhuan`	`so there was a 20x speedup`
`12:12.12`	`cladhaire`	`shrug`
`12:12.16`	`cladhaire`	`never hurts to re-test`
`12:12.39`	`cladhaire`	`there's a lot that effects performance, and the profiling techniques certainly factor into that.`
`12:12.54`	`Xinhuan`	`local GetItemInfo = function(item)`
`12:12.54`	`Xinhuan`	`return unpack(GetItemInfoCached[item])`
`12:12.54`	`Xinhuan`	`end`
`12:13.12`	`Orionshock`	`what does unpack() do ?`
`12:13.22`	`Xinhuan`	`it unpacks a table into a vararg list`
`12:13.28`	`Xinhuan`	`his meta table looks like this`
`12:13.35`	`Xinhuan`	`local GetItemInfoCached = setmetatable({}, { __index = function(self, n)`
`12:13.35`	`Xinhuan`	`self[n] = {GetItemInfo(n)} -- store in cache`
`12:13.35`	`Xinhuan`	`return self[n] -- return result`
`12:13.35`	`Xinhuan`	`end })`
`12:14.37`	`cladhaire`	`the metatable seems unnecessary, to be honest`
`12:14.42`	`cladhaire`	`why not just check that in the function itself`
`12:14.45`	`cladhaire`	`rather than call another function`
`12:15.05`	`Xinhuan`	`this does mean that if an item doesn't exist in the cache, and later exists, his cache would overwrite that and return the nil value`
`12:15.14`	`Xinhuan`	`i think?`
`12:15.27`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`12:15.33`	`cladhaire`	`cause __index is only called when the key doesn't exist`
`12:15.38`	`cladhaire`	`so when that happens, it stores it and retursn the result`
`12:15.46`	`cladhaire`	`other than that, the __index metamethod is never invoked.`
`12:16.06`	`Xinhuan`	`no, according to that, suppose i lookup item 1234`
`12:16.20`	`Xinhuan`	`GetItemInfo returns nil because it doesn't exist in the local cache`
`12:16.28`	`cladhaire`	`it doesn't return nil`
`12:16.36`	`Xinhuan`	`so the cache will store {}`
`12:16.41`	`Xinhuan`	`self[n] = {GetItemInfo(n)} -- store in cache`
`12:16.43`	`cladhaire`	`the __index metamethod is invoked, and its checked and stored in the local cache`
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`12:17.02`	`cladhaire`	`ioh`
`12:17.04`	`cladhaire`	`you're saying "cache"`
`12:17.19`	`cladhaire`	`and there are two caches`
`12:17.21`	`cladhaire`	`you should be more explicit`
`12:17.22`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm referring to the GetItemInfoCached[1234] storing {}`
`12:17.27`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`~wtf ioh`
`12:17.28`	`Xinhuan`	`and returning that`
`12:17.28`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`12:17.35`	`cladhaire`	`this would happen, as far as i can tell`
`12:17.44`	`Xinhuan`	`instead of getting the updated values`
`12:17.45`	`cladhaire`	`but they're both caches, hence why you had me confused`
`12:18.05`	`cladhaire`	`okay, shower time.`
`12:18.09`	`cladhaire`	`then laundy, brb`
`12:21.30`	`Orionshock`	`Xinhuan: couldn't you add a _call meta to that as well`
`12:21.32`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> {function() end}`
`12:21.32`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: { function: 0x80a5f68 } (#1)`
`12:21.35`	`Orionshock`	`or instead?`
`12:21.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`question`
`12:21.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`has steam tonks aggroing the summoners at mag been fixed in 2.3? i heard yes, but i'm not sure`
`12:21.47`	`Xinhuan`	`well, it isn't my library`
`12:22.34`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> function a() end print({a()})`
`12:22.34`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: { } (#1)`
`12:22.57`	`Xinhuan`	`yep the cache in statlogiclib is flawed`
`12:23.22`	`Xinhuan`	`it needs a check to see if the data is an empty table, if it is, call GetItemInfo() to get updated data`
`12:24.31`	`inph`	`hmm do i need to do something before i use CreateFontString?`
`12:24.45`	`Xinhuan`	`inph: such as?`
`12:25.22`	`Xinhuan`	`myframe.abc = myframe:CreateFontString(nil, "ARTWORK", "GameFontNormalSmall")`
`12:25.34`	`Xinhuan`	`myframe.abc:SetPoint(blah blah)`
`12:25.41`	`Xinhuan`	`myframe.abc:SetText("blah blah")`
`12:25.47`	`Xinhuan`	`myframe.abc:Show()`
`12:26.08`	`Xinhuan`	`that's the minimum`
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`12:27.47`	`Xinhuan`	`although i don't even think the :Show() is needed, it is shown by default`
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`12:29.44`	`AlexanderB`	`hello`
`12:29.55`	`AlexanderB`	`someone can help me? i have some problems with my fubar`
`12:30.50`	`Orionshock`	`is it fubar'ed?`
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`12:31.41`	`AlexanderB`	`i just downloaded fubar 2.0 with much addons... yesterday when i intalled it showed all icons.. so i started to design my bars and deactivated 3/4 of the plugins that i dont need`
`12:31.51`	`sb`	`mhhhhm`
`12:32.19`	`sb`	`nevcairiel: any 'usable' (yes, alpha/beta/whatever ;p) ace3 addons yet? quartz okay, anything else? :p`
`12:32.20`	`AlexanderB`	`then i got a new mount route... and questfu showed in the panel "new flying mount route..." and all icons where dropped`
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`12:33.07`	`ramoz`	`FuBar2 is just FuBar with Ace?`
`12:33.08`	`AlexanderB`	`and now i often only see 3-4 addons and when i click right on the bar some others will be shown.. but the panel and the icons are not locked at the bar.. i can drop them everywhere on the screen :(`
`12:33.16`	`AlexanderB`	`yes with ace..`
`12:33.22`	`ramoz`	`Aha`
`12:33.27`	`AlexanderB`	`is that the problem?`
`12:33.36`	`Xinhuan`	`could be`
`12:33.43`	`AlexanderB`	`i only want a panel that shows me durability, honour, money, time and 3-4 other things`
`12:33.55`	`Xinhuan`	`if some of your fubar plugins are Rock-based, using a Ace2 Fubar would cause issues`
`12:34.04`	`AlexanderB`	`hm.`
`12:34.23`	`AlexanderB`	`what addon should i use for me?`
`12:34.33`	`Xinhuan`	`you should be using the addon called "Fubar"`
`12:34.40`	`Xinhuan`	`not "Fubar2"`
`12:35.04`	`Xinhuan`	`Fubar = Rock-based`
`12:35.08`	`Xinhuan`	`Fubar2 = Ace2-based`
`12:35.18`	`AlexanderB`	`http://files.wowace.com/FuBar/FuBar-r54616.2.zip <-- that right?`
`12:35.28`	`Xinhuan`	`the official version is Fubar (rock version)`
`12:35.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`FuBar is really version 3`
`12:35.38`	`vhaarr`	`http://files.wowace.com/FuBar/FuBar.zip`
`12:35.41`	`Xinhuan`	`Fubar2 is only there for people who still want to use the Ace2 version`
`12:35.42`	`vhaarr`	`that is always the latest one`
`12:36.02`	`AlexanderB`	`ok`
`12:36.34`	`Xinhuan`	`if at least one of your fubar plugins uses Rock, you will need to use "Fubar"`
`12:36.40`	`AlexanderB`	`im using metamod, atlas, lightheaded, sctd, superinspect and bagnon, is that ok?`
`12:36.48`	`Xinhuan`	`sounds fine`
`12:37.06`	`inph`	`you should really use Examiner instead of Superinspect`
`12:37.12`	`AlexanderB`	`but that are addons, that dont will be shown in the panel.. so i think its ok`
`12:37.15`	`AlexanderB`	`examiner? ok`
`12:37.19`	`Xinhuan`	`or you can use SpyGlass`
`12:37.31`	`Xinhuan`	`superinspect isn't really maintained anymore`
`12:37.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`eww metamod`
`12:38.14`	`AlexanderB`	`is there something better than metamod?`
`12:38.30`	`AlexanderB`	`and where can i get spyglass or examiner, its not under wowace.com wowinterface.com probably?`
`12:38.51`	`inph`	`Xinhuan, typos :p`
`12:39.01`	`inph`	`, instead of a .`
`12:39.31`	`sb`	`examiner is nice`
`12:40.11`	`Xinhuan`	`ya find it on wowi`
`12:40.38`	`Codayus`	`Hmm, it's stunningly rare for me to try and post on the official forums. But when I do, I appear to have about a 20% sucess rate with the damn logic.`
`12:40.45`	`Codayus`	`Gah, Bliz forums fail so much.`
`12:40.49`	`Codayus`	`er, login, even.`
`12:40.54`	`Xinhuan`	`what logic`
`12:40.56`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`12:41.08`	`Xinhuan`	`it could be due to your ISP's proxy`
`12:41.15`	`AlexanderB`	`where i find rock-based fubar addons now?`
`12:41.16`	`Xinhuan`	`if it uses a series of squid proxies`
`12:41.24`	`Codayus`	`Doesn't. :-)`
`12:41.34`	`Xinhuan`	`then when you login and connect, it may use a different proxy address`
`12:41.45`	`Xinhuan`	`i had to complain to my ISP about it to get that fixed`
`12:41.51`	`Codayus`	`Ouch.`
`12:43.06`	`AlexanderB`	`can i use the fubar_xxx addons from here: http://files.wowace.com/sw-f.html`
`12:43.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
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`12:46.01`	`AlexanderB`	`do i have to delete some old cfg files? cause the old fubar saved informations there?`
`12:46.06`	`AlexanderB`	`dont want it bugged again ^^`
`12:46.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`12:47.03`	`AlexanderB`	`ok`
`12:47.37`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> function a() end print({a()})`
`12:47.38`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: { } (#1)`
`12:47.45`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> function a() return nil end print({a()})`
`12:47.46`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: { } (#1)`
`12:48.01`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> function a() return nil, nil end print({a()})`
`12:48.01`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: { } (#1)`
`12:48.07`	`CIA-8`	`03Tristan * r55529 10Enhancer/ (7 files in 3 dirs):`
`12:48.07`	`CIA-8`	`Enhancer:`
`12:48.07`	`CIA-8`	`- Added WeaponAEP (MH and OH)`
`12:48.07`	`CIA-8`	`- Finished first part of Expertise hack`
`12:48.07`	`CIA-8`	`- Made GUI's step to 0.01 instead of 0.1 so you can set EP with 2 decimal digits`
`12:48.12`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> function a() return nil, 1 end print({a()})`
`12:48.12`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: { [2] = 1 } (#1)`
`12:48.16`	`Xinhuan`	`hm`
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`12:52.04`	`CIA-8`	`03ananhaid * r55530 10BigWigs/ (9 files in 4 dirs):`
`12:52.04`	`CIA-8`	`BigWigs:`
`12:52.04`	`CIA-8`	`- zhCN update (ZA locale thanks Wolftankk)`
`12:53.33`	`AlexanderB`	`wow it works fine ^^`
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`12:53.43`	`AlexanderB`	`now i only need to load some cool addons`
`12:54.00`	`AlexanderB`	`is monkeyquest good?`
`12:54.15`	`Xinhuan`	`~api GetItemInfo`
`12:54.16`	`purl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo`
`12:54.29`	`SunTsu`	`AlexanderB: It is, as is any addon. The question always is: From which perspective?`
`12:54.53`	`AlexanderB`	`hm.. looking for a quest addon that shows me more than 4 quests -.-`
`12:55.10`	`AlexanderB`	`and questfu killed my panel cause it showed a title in the panel lol`
`12:55.21`	`SunTsu`	`AlexanderB: Is a knife good? Well, that depends on whether you are trying to cut meat or eating a soup ;)`
`12:55.28`	`AlexanderB`	`:)`
`12:55.47`	`AlexanderB`	`and questu the colours of the quests where bad.. the text was not readable`
`12:56.47`	`AlexanderB`	`and what is a good coordinate plugin? i had prefered location or sth. like that and i got always errors "cant locate "%d" stormwind" (%d = The canals) and so on`
`12:56.55`	`SunTsu`	`AlexanderB: I prefer nquestlog, but it's a matter of taste`
`12:57.38`	`AlexanderB`	`hm nquestlog.. the screens look great`
`12:58.26`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> unpack(nil)`
`12:58.26`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: [string "unpack(nil)"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'unpack' (table expected, got nil)`
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`12:58.51`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> unpack({})`
`12:58.51`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan:`
`12:59.06`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> select("#", unpack({}))`
`12:59.06`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: 0,`
`13:02.49`	`AlexanderB`	`which addon shows me a dot timer? (when i make someone to a sheep or freeze him, so that there will be a bar that goes down so that i know when the dot/mezz breaks`
`13:03.05`	`AlexanderB`	`something like the roguetimer`
`13:03.32`	`Gngsk`	`AlexanderB, you can try chronometer or classtimer`
`13:03.37`	`SunTsu`	`AlexanderB: I like ClassTimer`
`13:03.39`	`Diao`	`hm`
`13:03.43`	`AlexanderB`	`ok`
`13:03.45`	`Diao`	`if i delete out of date libs`
`13:03.47`	`Diao`	`on addons screen`
`13:03.50`	`Diao`	`WAU auto-redownloads them :(`
`13:04.02`	`Diao`	`i assume something has them as a dependency?`
`13:05.02`	`AlexanderB`	`okay thanks :) going to lvl now and test the fubar`
`13:05.21`	`CIA-8`	`03ananhaid * r55531 10LittleWigs/ (7 files in 6 dirs):`
`13:05.21`	`CIA-8`	`LittleWigs:`
`13:05.21`	`CIA-8`	`- zhCN update`
`13:09.48`	`[AR]Camci`	`is TinyTip gonna be updated or wha?`
`13:10.04`	`[Ammo]`	`there's a version on googlecode`
`13:10.15`	`[AR]Camci`	`ooh?`
`13:10.27`	`[AR]Camci`	`any avilable link ?`
`13:11.39`	`[Ammo]`	`search for tinytip googlecode`
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`13:11.40`	`Azurewrath`	`~seen grennon`
`13:11.46`	`purl`	`grennon <n=jdawg@user-38lm5go.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 12m 54s ago, saying: 'neither do i'.`
`13:11.46`	`[Ammo]`	`or something`
`13:12.53`	`[AR]Camci`	`found it thanks amoom`
`13:12.57`	`[AR]Camci`	`ammo*`
`13:14.44`	`[AR]Camci`	`hmm`
`13:14.55`	`[AR]Camci`	`i think it got changed to "PerfectTargets_v0.3"`
`13:15.00`	`[AR]Camci`	`:S`
`13:15.04`	`[Ammo]`	`nono`
`13:15.07`	`[Ammo]`	`TinyTip is on that svn`
`13:15.34`	`\|Stan\|`	`http://thrae-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/TinyTip/`
`13:15.40`	`[AR]Camci`	`sorry but what is svn? :D`
`13:15.52`	`[AR]Camci`	`thank you`
`13:16.01`	`JoshBorke`	`[AR]Camci: it's what wowace uses to do version control`
`13:16.30`	`[AR]Camci`	`aha, for WAU i guess+`
`13:16.33`	`[AR]Camci`	`?`
`13:16.39`	`JoshBorke`	`well, not exactly`
`13:16.52`	`markt_`	`can anybody tell me what addon i might be able to use to increase the maximum macro length?`
`13:17.21`	`JoshBorke`	`supermacro!`
`13:18.20`	`markt_`	`great! ty :-D`
`13:18.27`	`[AR]Camci`	`so i guess i DL the files here: http://thrae-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/TinyTip/ and replace them :P`
`13:18.39`	`[AR]Camci`	`ezy as pie`
`13:19.11`	`Azurewrath`	`or you just use CowTip ;)`
`13:19.23`	`[Ammo]`	`cowtip is nothing like tinytip`
`13:19.29`	`JoshBorke`	`[Ammo]: liar`
`13:19.31`	`[Ammo]`	`a cow is too beefy`
`13:19.33`	`JoshBorke`	`they both make tooltips`
`13:19.50`	`[AR]Camci`	`Cowtip better?`
`13:19.52`	`[Ammo]`	`tinytip modifies the default tooltip more or less keeping it in tact`
`13:19.56`	`[Ammo]`	`cowtip is an entire replacement`
`13:20.29`	`Azurewrath`	`right`
`13:20.30`	`[AR]Camci`	`i bet a tauren did that addon :p`
`13:21.42`	`[AR]Camci`	`ill try cowtip and see`
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`13:22.38`	`Lothaer`	`G'Day`
`13:22.50`	`[AR]Camci`	`moo`
`13:23.01`	`Lothaer`	`moo back`
`13:23.21`	`Lothaer`	`soo whats the latest?`
`13:23.29`	`[AR]Camci`	`hmm`
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`13:23.41`	`[AR]Camci`	`there is a cow running around giving tips`
`13:23.48`	`Lothaer`	`ROFL`
`13:23.58`	`[AR]Camci`	`not fun :/`
`13:24.37`	`[AR]Camci`	`:P`
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`13:25.03`	`Lothaer`	`what .lua program would you guy/s suggest? i am using Adobe Dreamweaver CS3`
`13:25.13`	`Xinhuan`	`notepad`
`13:25.18`	`Xinhuan`	`++`
`13:25.26`	`Ozguli`	`notetab light`
`13:25.27`	`JoshBorke`	`vim`
`13:25.32`	`Lothaer`	`i was think something that makes it a bit easier to read`
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`13:25.48`	`Ozguli`	`just code it easier to read`
`13:25.57`	`Lothaer`	`i had Dreamweaver 8 before with a lua plugin to make it easier to read but i cant find it again`
`13:26.28`	`[AR]Camci`	`http://csl.sublevel3.org/lua/`
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`13:29.49`	`[AR]Camci`	`wow cowtip rocks`
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`13:30.22`	`JoshBorke`	`[AR]Camci: glad you like it`
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`13:31.03`	`[AR]Camci`	`hmmmmm`
`13:31.21`	`[AR]Camci`	`when i hover over some stuff the tooltip comes bottom right corner...`
`13:31.28`	`[AR]Camci`	`i hope there is a option to change that`
`13:31.34`	`[AR]Camci`	`else it sucks :P`
`13:31.41`	`\|Stan\|`	`you can change that`
`13:31.45`	`Moomoomoo`	`Does anyone have a zip file of Atlas 10.3? even if it's not public/final yet?`
`13:31.47`	`\|Stan\|`	`/cowtip`
`13:31.53`	`[AR]Camci`	`cheers Stas`
`13:31.57`	`[AR]Camci`	`Stan*`
`13:31.58`	`Moomoomoo`	`I'm sick of waiting and I get crashes I'm sure cause of it.`
`13:33.50`	Xion`	`just remove atlas?`
`13:34.12`	`Moomoomoo`	`Blah`
`13:34.56`	`Lothaer`	`Atlas 10.3 is due to be released today, unless Dan has encountered any errors then it may be delayed`
`13:35.01`	`Lothaer`	`go look on the website`
`13:35.05`	`Moomoomoo`	`I did.`
`13:35.14`	`Lothaer`	`then if its not there its not ready`
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`13:36.40`	`CIA-8`	`03xinhuan * r55532 10StatLogicLib/StatLogic-1.0/StatLogic-1.0.lua: StatLogicLib: Fix flawed GetItemInfo cache design. It previously cached nil return values, so if the client cache got the info later in the game session, the cache wasn't updated.`
`13:38.53`	`Diao`	`whoa wtf`
`13:38.56`	`Diao`	`i'm getting action blocked`
`13:39.00`	`Diao`	`when i try to /tar`
`13:39.00`	`[AR]Camci`	`guys what do you type to remove password in a channel ?`
`13:39.15`	`[AR]Camci`	`channel ingame...`
`13:39.38`	`\|Stan\|`	`just set a blank password`
`13:39.40`	`CIA-8`	`03nirek * r55533 10ElfReloaded/ElfReloaded.lua: ElfReloaded: Add loot total count via GetItemCount`
`13:39.41`	`Wobin`	`set it as blank?`
`13:40.20`	`[AR]Camci`	`what is the command ?`
`13:40.36`	`Xinhuan`	`/password <channel> <password>`
`13:40.54`	`[AR]Camci`	`and leave the <password> blank?`
`13:41.00`	`\|Stan\|`	`yup`
`13:41.05`	`[AR]Camci`	`so only /password <channel>`
`13:41.07`	`[AR]Camci`	`?`
`13:41.11`	`Xinhuan`	`how difficult is it to alt-tab in and try it?`
`13:41.25`	`Xinhuan`	`or join a new channel yourself to try it`
`13:41.38`	`[AR]Camci`	`there is some emo kid that didnt pass a trial, and he changed pass to al our channels :S`
`13:41.46`	`[AR]Camci`	`ill try thanks`
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`13:46.35`	`Diao`	`argh`
`13:46.44`	`CIA-8`	`03borlox 07Borlox * r55534 10NCHide/NCHide/NCHide.toc:`
`13:46.44`	`CIA-8`	`NCHide:`
`13:46.44`	`CIA-8`	`- toc -> 20300`
`13:46.48`	`Diao`	`guild bank log still not working on armory :(`
`13:47.00`	`Xinhuan`	`not working?`
`13:47.02`	`Xinhuan`	`what do you mean`
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`13:47.16`	`CIA-8`	`03borlox * r55535 10Privacy2/Privacy2.toc:`
`13:47.16`	`CIA-8`	`Privacy2:`
`13:47.16`	`CIA-8`	`- toc -> 20300`
`13:47.33`	`Diao`	`well`
`13:47.38`	`Diao`	`it tells me how many transactions were found`
`13:47.42`	`Diao`	`but it doesn't show the actual transactions`
`13:47.45`	`Diao`	`even though i'm the GM`
`13:47.53`	`Diao`	`had one of my officers test it and he gets the same problem`
`13:48.32`	`Diao`	`tried in 3 different browser (ff, ie, opera) as well`
`13:49.32`	`Xinhuan`	`i didn't have any issues`
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`13:49.41`	`Xinhuan`	`it showed every single transaction`
`13:49.48`	`Xinhuan`	`right down to the firework donations`
`13:49.51`	`Diao`	`lol`
`13:49.58`	`Xinhuan`	`and 1 copper donations`
`13:49.59`	`Borked\|Raider`	`hmm, some of my code is going in a loop, self.update() can that call a function self:update() ?`
`13:50.01`	`Diao`	`no idea why it's not working for us :\`
`13:50.11`	`Xinhuan`	`Borked\|Raider: sure, why not?`
`13:50.29`	`Diao`	`the bank contents work fine`
`13:50.30`	`Diao`	`just not the log`
`13:50.31`	`Borked\|Raider`	`well, i dint understand 100% then how the : operater works :D`
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`13:50.55`	`Xinhuan`	`the : operator acts as a implicit way to automatically add a "self" parameter as the first argument`
`13:50.56`	`*** part/#wowace Erik\^ (n=Erik@ws42098.studby.hig.no)`
`13:50.59`	`Borked\|Raider`	`self:update() = self.update(self) or how is it?`
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`13:51.30`	`Xinhuan`	`in other words, abc.def(abc, var1, var2) is the same as abc:def(var1, var2)`
`13:51.40`	`Xinhuan`	`assuming def() is a function`
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`13:52.00`	`Xinhuan`	`so yes, you are correct, self:update() is the same as self.update(self)`
`13:52.27`	`Borked\|Raider`	`k`
`13:52.31`	`Xinhuan`	`when declaring the function, you just have to declare it appropriately`
`13:52.43`	`Paradox`	`anyone know an addon, preferibly ace, that lets you move frames around and resize them?`
`13:52.49`	`CIA-8`	`03celellach * r55536 10AtlasLoot/ (Core/Atlas1.10.3compat.lua Instances/instances.en.lua):`
`13:52.49`	`CIA-8`	`AtlasLoot:`
`13:52.49`	`CIA-8`	`- fixed cot:1 map links`
`13:52.51`	`Xinhuan`	`function abc:def() assert(self == abc) end`
`13:52.54`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm.. is there any way to identify the AddOn that causes the "Interface action failed because of an AddOn" Message? Found nothing in the Patchnotes or the FrameXML.log :(`
`13:53.22`	`Xinhuan`	`Azurewrath: not easy`
`13:53.47`	`Xinhuan`	`an addon A could cause the Interface Action failed message, but this could be caused due to a fault in addonB`
`13:53.57`	`Xinhuan`	`which interfered in addonA's operation`
`13:54.11`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm jup..`
`13:54.26`	`Xinhuan`	`if addonB isn't at fault, it could be because addonC interfered in addonB, which then finally interfered with addonA`
`13:54.34`	`Xinhuan`	`its hard to track`
`13:54.45`	`thul`	`so`
`13:54.45`	`Xinhuan`	`and the solution is to /console taintLog 2`
`13:54.47`	`thul`	`code WISELY`
`13:54.53`	`thul`	`and debug like a true nerd :-P`
`13:55.06`	`Xinhuan`	`which logs every single execution and variable taint (generates about 2 mb worth of logs every minute)`
`13:55.13`	`Xinhuan`	`into taint.log`
`13:55.30`	`grzesieq_`	`anyone bored enough to help me with a simple maths problem? :>`
`13:55.38`	`Xinhuan`	`grzesieq, sure!`
`13:55.49`	`Xinhuan`	`if it isn't simple, i'm going to stab you!`
`13:56.00`	`backbone87`	`^^`
`13:56.51`	`grzesieq_`	`http://www.box.net/shared/dlje5943m4 group b, question 1 :P`
`13:56.53`	`Higdur`	`probably for his phd thesis`
`13:57.14`	`grzesieq_`	`i'm one equation short somehow`
`13:57.28`	`Azurewrath`	`holy crap, 6.4mb already`
`13:57.46`	`Xinhuan`	`Azurewrath, you need to reloadui after /console taintLog 2`
`13:57.58`	`Azurewrath`	`i know :)`
`13:57.58`	`Xinhuan`	`then try to generate the Blocked message as soon as you can`
`13:58.03`	`Xinhuan`	`then /console taintLog 0`
`13:58.05`	`Xinhuan`	`:)`
`13:58.18`	`grzesieq_`	`make macros! :>`
`13:58.25`	`Xinhuan`	`i promised`
`13:58.30`	`grzesieq_`	`it's simple :(`
`13:58.47`	`Tunga`	`if you can generate the blocked message with a macro, i guess you could sandwich is between taintlog toggles`
`13:59.49`	`Xinhuan`	`once you have a BLOCKED message, i'll tell you how to read that taint.log`
`13:59.52`	`Xinhuan`	`and trace the issue`
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`14:01.16`	`Azurewrath`	`251kb.. should be in there`
`14:01.38`	`Xinhuan`	`have you got it all done?`
`14:01.54`	`markt_`	`is there an easy way to display a message in the style of "spell not ready" or "invalid target" etc.?`
`14:01.55`	`Azurewrath`	`jep`
`14:02.13`	`Xinhuan`	`ok, open taint.log and find the first occurance of BLOCKED`
`14:02.18`	`Xinhuan`	`paste that line`
`14:02.20`	`markt_`	`i guess there's a frame i can AddMessage to or something?`
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`14:02.57`	`Azurewrath`	`11/20 15:00:05.541 Global variable INTERFACE_ACTION_BLOCKED_SHOWN tainted by Prat - Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:600 UIParent_OnEvent()`
`14:03.03`	`Xinhuan`	`ok find the next one`
`14:03.21`	`Azurewrath`	`11/20 15:00:05.541 An action was blocked in combat because of taint from Grid - GridLayoutPartyPlayer:SetHeight()`
`14:03.32`	`Xinhuan`	`ok, so the blame is on "Grid" right?`
`14:03.38`	`Azurewrath`	`possible`
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`14:04.09`	`Xinhuan`	`i want you to look at that line, and scroll up line by line until you find "Execution tainted AddonA while reading variableX"`
`14:04.21`	`backbone87`	`grzesieq_: l1 : x = y/2 + 1 = 3z, cant read it... -.-`
`14:04.22`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e find when the execution was tainted just before that "action was blockd in combat"`
`14:04.29`	`Xinhuan`	`and paste that line`
`14:04.43`	`Xinhuan`	`"Execution tainted by AddonA while reading variableX..."`
`14:04.51`	`backbone87`	`grzesieq_: l2 i mean`
`14:04.59`	`Xinhuan`	`it should just be a few lines above the "action isblocked in combat" line`
`14:05.06`	`Xinhuan`	`although you may have to scroll up quite a bit`
`14:05.19`	`grzesieq_`	`backbone87: what's wrong with it? :)`
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`14:05.43`	`Xinhuan`	`the key here is, an action is blocked because the execution was tainted - so we first want to find out which variable caused execution to be tainted`
`14:05.49`	`Ozguli`	`hmm, how do I turn on the taint log?`
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`14:06.23`	`backbone87`	`grzesieq_: do i have red it right?`
`14:06.34`	`Ozguli`	`/console taintlog 1 or something?`
`14:06.39`	`grzesieq_`	`backbone87: yes`
`14:06.40`	`Azurewrath`	`11/20 15:00:04.770 Execution tainted by Ace2 while reading Recount - Interface\AddOns\Recount\Recount.lua:1039 CheckCombat()`
`14:06.58`	`Azurewrath`	`all lines after that line don't mention a second addon`
`14:07.06`	`Xinhuan`	`are you sure there is no other "execution tainted by.." stuff between this one and the "Action blocked"?`
`14:07.27`	`Azurewrath`	`masses, but nothing with a second addon`
`14:07.31`	`Ozguli`	`oh`
`14:07.33`	`Xinhuan`	`no`
`14:07.42`	`Xinhuan`	`you need to find the closest execution tainted by`
`14:07.50`	`Xinhuan`	`it doesn't have to be a different addon`
`14:08.07`	`Xinhuan`	`just go to your "action is blocked in combat" line`
`14:08.19`	`Xinhuan`	`and hit CTRL-F, find "execution" and search upwards ONCE`
`14:08.21`	`[Horde]Tricksy`	`huh, my /1 became Acecomm channel for some reason O_o`
`14:08.23`	`Azurewrath`	`11/20 15:00:05.541 Execution tainted by Prat_Modules while reading ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash - getglobal()`
`14:09.25`	`Xinhuan`	`ok now so we know ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash is causing the taint that causes the action blocked`
`14:09.30`	`Xinhuan`	`now we want to know what tainted ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash`
`14:09.47`	`Xinhuan`	`hit ctrl-f again and search upwards for ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash`
`14:10.11`	`Azurewrath`	`um well, there are like 200 lines another Prat_Modules taints up there, but i'll do ;)`
`14:10.26`	`Xinhuan`	`well i'm asking you to only find this ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash`
`14:10.44`	`Xinhuan`	`by searching upwards`
`14:10.47`	`Xinhuan`	`what tainted it?`
`14:10.56`	`Azurewrath`	`11/20 15:00:05.504 Execution tainted by Prat_Modules while reading ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash - getglobal()`
`14:11.07`	`backbone87`	`grzesieq_: get the direction vector r of l2, get the orthogonal vector r2 of r, l1 = P + n * r2`
`14:11.10`	`Xinhuan`	`exactly - ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash is tainted - find out what tainted it`
`14:11.14`	`Xinhuan`	`search upwards`
`14:11.25`	`Ellipsis`	`the scroll module in prat taints it`
`14:11.28`	`Xinhuan`	`find the line that says "global variable ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash tainted by ..."`
`14:11.31`	`Ellipsis`	`there's hardly anything elset hat would`
`14:12.41`	`Xinhuan`	`also, you will need to find out WHY ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash was read in the framexml code`
`14:12.55`	`Xinhuan`	`was it called from some secure code?`
`14:13.24`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm, no "global variable ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash" in the log`
`14:13.42`	`Xinhuan`	`now that doesn't make sense`
`14:13.56`	`Xinhuan`	`11/20 15:00:05.541 Execution tainted by Prat_Modules while reading ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash - getglobal()`
`14:14.03`	`Xinhuan`	`execution was tainted by reading that tainted variable`
`14:14.20`	`Xinhuan`	`the log will have logged down when that variable got tainted`
`14:14.31`	`Xinhuan`	`its not difficult to ctrl-f and find "ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash"`
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`14:14.42`	`backbone87`	`grzesieq_: ah, sry the l1 may dont have the right angle, just a moment`
`14:15.03`	`Azurewrath`	`i have like a thousand lines containing ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash ;)`
`14:15.13`	`Xinhuan`	`find the very first line`
`14:15.17`	`Xinhuan`	`from the top of the file`
`14:15.21`	`Xinhuan`	`that contains that word`
`14:15.26`	`Xinhuan`	`that's where it is`
`14:15.55`	`grzesieq_`	`backbone87: the problem is, i need to solve this without using orthogonal vectors :)`
`14:16.06`	`Diao`	`hm`
`14:16.14`	`backbone87`	`grzesieq_: hrm?`
`14:16.37`	`Xinhuan`	`sigh, ctrl-home, ctrl-f, paste ChatFrame1ScrollDownReminderFlash into the box, press enter.`
`14:16.47`	`Azurewrath`	`not there.. i'll try and generate a new log.. gimme a sec`
`14:17.02`	`Xinhuan`	`you did reloadui after /console taintLog 2`
`14:17.03`	`Xinhuan`	`right?`
`14:17.11`	`Xinhuan`	`so it does a full log from reloading ui`
`14:17.23`	`grzesieq_`	`backbone87: nvm, not worth wasting time on`
`14:17.24`	`Xinhuan`	`and not a halfway log that started generating mid-game session`
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`14:17.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`WTB addon that replaces the voice chat PTT sound`
`14:18.08`	`Xinhuan`	`sag_ich_nicht, just override that .wav file`
`14:18.17`	`Xinhuan`	`in your Data\ folder`
`14:18.42`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`that doesn't work anymore Xinhuan`
`14:18.42`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`remember?`
`14:18.42`	`Xinhuan`	`sag_ich_nicht, it does`
`14:18.43`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`because people kept replacing models`
`14:18.43`	`Xinhuan`	`my fishing.wav works`
`14:18.43`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`o rly`
`14:18.43`	`Xinhuan`	`models don't, .wav does`
`14:19.09`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`nice`
`14:19.29`	`Adirelle`	`I second this, I replaced my rifle sound`
`14:19.46`	`Adirelle`	`(this repeating sound was driving me crazy)`
`14:19.47`	`Xinhuan`	`they restricted file overrides so it doesn't work on models and framexml`
`14:20.03`	`Xinhuan`	`and maybe a few others, but it definitely works on .wave`
`14:20.06`	`Wogroipl_`	`Adirelle: me too, I got myself a bow :P`
`14:20.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`okay`
`14:20.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`so next question`
`14:20.37`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`what's the name of the PTT soundfile`
`14:20.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`and the path to it? :P`
`14:20.53`	`Xinhuan`	`you will have to find that path`
`14:20.57`	`Xinhuan`	`using an MPQ viewer`
`14:21.11`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`WoW has`
`14:21.14`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`10000s of soundfiles`
`14:21.17`	`Xinhuan`	`try WinMPQ or MyWarcraftStudio or some other program that can open .mpq files`
`14:21.18`	`Adirelle`	`or... look into the .lua file no ?`
`14:21.20`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`how am i supposed to find the PTT sound`
`14:21.38`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Xinhuan: i wrote SC mods back in the day`
`14:21.49`	`Adirelle`	`that thing may be lua-driven`
`14:22.09`	`Xinhuan`	`you should find it in Data\patch.mpq`
`14:22.16`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`don't talk to me about MPQ viewers or i'll talk to you about MPQ insertion hooking to make a no-BW-CD loader`
`14:22.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`14:22.28`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`-insertion +injection`
`14:22.29`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`>.>`
`14:22.38`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`wonder if you can inject MPQs into WoW too`
`14:23.52`	`thul`	`fun quote: "Mindless SS spamming'"? Yeah right, 'cause every time you hit Backstab you need to solve a short differential equation`
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`14:24.33`	`Xinhuan`	`you dont think so, it does a checksum of the mpq i think`
`14:24.34`	`Fisker--`	`oh hai`
`14:24.35`	`Xinhuan`	`i*`
`14:24.41`	`Xinhuan`	`when you start wow`
`14:24.53`	`Fisker--`	`anyone know if the guild bank logs in the armory also show activity within the same tab?`
`14:25.10`	`Fisker--`	`some retard keep splitting up all the items to annoy me`
`14:25.22`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Xinhuan that's not MPQ injection`
`14:25.33`	`Fisker--`	`can't wait for a mr plow update`
`14:25.37`	`Xinhuan`	`so sag_ich_nicht, i loaded up patch.mpq, set the filter to .wav`
`14:25.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i'm talking about making it load an ADDITIONAL mpq`
`14:25.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`8DC`
`14:25.56`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`-C`
`14:25.56`	`Xinhuan`	`and found \Sound\Interface\VoiceChatOn.wav`
`14:25.59`	`Xinhuan`	`and found \Sound\Interface\VoiceChatOff.wav`
`14:26.04`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm ok.. more stuff in the log now.. and already disabled the bugger.. i should've guessed what causes it..`
`14:26.06`	`Azurewrath`	`11/20 15:17:25.950 Global variable SPELLBLOCKEDOTHERSELF tainted by SW_FixLogStrings - setglobal()`
`14:26.15`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`nice`
`14:26.21`	`Xinhuan`	`took 10 secs max`
`14:26.33`	`Xinhuan`	`note: i didn't extract them to see if they are the correct files`
`14:26.36`	`Azurewrath`	`bah.. and another addon causes it too.. another hunt..`
`14:26.37`	`Ellipsis`	`you're not supposed to do the work FOR him`
`14:26.41`	`Fisker--`	`madness`
`14:27.01`	`Ellipsis`	`madness?`
`14:27.04`	`Ellipsis`	`this is #wowace!`
`14:27.05`	`Xinhuan`	`no Azurewrath, you don't have to worry about tainted stuff unless it causes execution blocked`
`14:27.31`	`Xinhuan`	`that's the only thing that matters`
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`14:27.56`	`SunTsu`	`Ellipsis: Are you wearing a beard?`
`14:28.19`	`Azurewrath`	`hardly ;)`
`14:28.34`	`Xinhuan`	`1. action was blocked - find why the execution was tainted - which variable was read? 2. find why/how that variable got tainted... usually this is due to execution taint due to reading another tainted variable 3. repeat step 2 for that variable`
`14:28.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P@Xinhuan`
`14:28.46`	`Azurewrath`	`Xinhuan: i know.. but that message gets on my nerves ;)`
`14:28.48`	`thul`	`how is your shaman btw Fisker-- ?`
`14:29.07`	`SunTsu`	`Azurewrath: More "unlikely" than "hardly" ;)`
`14:29.11`	`Ellipsis`	`SunTsu: no, I shaved, why?`
`14:29.20`	`Xinhuan`	`4. soon, it will conclude at some blizzard variable that got tainted that shouldn't have been`
`14:29.26`	`Xinhuan`	`then you'll have to figure out why`
`14:29.38`	`SunTsu`	`Ellipsis: Thought you were auditing for 300 part II`
`14:30.39`	`kenlyric`	`goddamn`
`14:30.42`	`kenlyric`	`AB`
`14:30.43`	`[AR]Camci`	`at CowTip, is it possible to make a blank line in the toolbar? i tried to do that in "line texts" to just have a blank line but didnt work like that.`
`14:30.55`	`kenlyric`	`14 people, I zone in, n obody at the stables.`
`14:31.03`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`alt+0160`
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`14:34.07`	`Azurewrath`	`the Message is caused by Prat btw, just tested by disabling it`
`14:34.41`	`Azurewrath`	`errrr.. sorry, i meant Grid`
`14:35.02`	`Ellipsis`	`freaking spiritual soup...`
`14:35.28`	`Azurewrath`	`hehe`
`14:35.40`	`Azurewrath`	`so Grid causes it.. even when i'm solo.. weird`
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`14:37.13`	`Azurewrath`	`Xinhuan: Thanks for you help btw. :)`
`14:37.36`	`lordgreg`	`hi all- how would i type the macro that would send a whisper to a targeted player? something like /w Hi there %t!`
`14:37.37`	`Xinhuan`	`so grid tainted some important variable?`
`14:37.44`	`Xinhuan`	`which one was the root cause?`
`14:38.25`	`Azurewrath`	`at least it's gone when i disable Grid..`
`14:41.14`	`Ellipsis`	`lordgreg: you got it`
`14:41.53`	`lordgreg`	`that's not it...`
`14:42.02`	`lordgreg`	`because it says no player named %t is currently playing`
`14:42.04`	`SunTsu`	`lordgreg: You are missing %t after /w`
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`14:42.12`	`lordgreg`	`ahh`
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`14:42.28`	`CIA-8`	`037destiny * r55538 10FuBar_DurabilityFu/DurabilityFuLocale-koKR.lua: FuBar_DurabilityFu: koKR update`
`14:42.30`	`lordgreg`	`i have it like: /w %t Hi %t`
`14:42.32`	`SunTsu`	`lordgreg: I assume you wouldn't want whisper a player called "Hi" everytime`
`14:42.32`	`lordgreg`	`not working`
`14:42.43`	`lordgreg`	`no, it's just an example`
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`14:42.50`	`alext`	`Is there any sort of "respec" addon for people that respec weekly for pvp/pve purposes?`
`14:42.58`	`Diao`	`talented`
`14:43.02`	`SunTsu`	`alext: talented`
`14:43.02`	`Diao`	`!points 300`
`14:43.03`	`Xinhuan`	`300 arena points require 1300(5s), 1486(3s) and 1545(2s) team rating.`
`14:43.09`	`alext`	`oh neat I didn't think anything like that existed`
`14:43.10`	`alext`	`thanks folks`
`14:43.20`	`thul`	`!points 500`
`14:43.20`	`Xinhuan`	`500 arena points require 1626(5s), 1674(3s) and 1734(2s) team rating.`
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`14:44.33`	`thul`	`hmm, one week till s3, right?`
`14:44.38`	`Diao`	`yep`
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`14:45.25`	`Xinhuan`	`so`
`14:45.26`	`Xinhuan`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=ED148DF8CE462281F8979611C7B9C847?topicId=34965753&sid=1`
`14:45.28`	`thul`	`oooh :-D`
`14:45.37`	`Xinhuan`	`someone found a "fix" for the 64 fps cap on duo core machines?`
`14:46.03`	`Ozguli`	`who needs more than that?`
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`14:46.17`	`Xinhuan`	`the human eye can percieve changes as high as up to 120 fps`
`14:46.19`	Neo`	`hi lohers!`
`14:46.29`	`Ellipsis`	`people who really need their epeen enhancements`
`14:46.29`	`Ozguli`	`your screen can't show that many.`
`14:46.33`	Neo`	`))))`
`14:46.39`	`Diao`	`i have dual core and no 64 fps cap O_O`
`14:46.41`	`Xinhuan`	`yes but a CRT monitor could`
`14:46.48`	`Ozguli`	`I have centrino duo BUT can't get higher than 30 fps in normal play due to poor graphics card & 512mb memory`
`14:46.57`	`Ozguli`	`it'd fucking explode`
`14:46.59`	Neo`	`all member of this channel - pidorasi`
`14:47.00`	Neo`	`=)`
`14:47.02`	`SunTsu`	`alext: What I still am missing for respeccing is an addon that changes my bars accordingly ;)`
`14:47.04`	`Polarina`	`Xinhuan: The human eyse can see about 27 FPS maximum. Movies shown in theaters are only 24 FPS.`
`14:47.08`	`Ozguli`	`Xinhuan that's the reason I use one screen instead of two now`
`14:47.11`	`Xinhuan`	`incorrect Polarina`
`14:47.17`	Neo`	`people of america must DIE!`
`14:47.23`	Neo`	`�� `
`14:47.23`	`Polarina`	`Xinhuan: That's what I read.`
`14:47.24`	`Xinhuan`	`the human eye perceives motion at 24 fps`
`14:47.33`	`Xinhuan`	`but the human eye can perceive differences in FPS up to as much as 120 fps`
`14:47.36`	Neo`	`ya blyat vas nenavijy!`
`14:47.39`	`alext`	`SunTsu: yeah that would be handy ;]`
`14:47.41`	`Azurewrath`	`i must correct myself, it's GridManaBars`
`14:47.43`	Neo`	`�� `
`14:47.44`	`Diao`	`oh`
`14:47.44`	`Polarina`	`Xinhuan: Ah.. Sorry.`
`14:47.45`	Neo`	`�� `
`14:47.47`	Neo`	`�� `
`14:47.48`	`Diao`	`i use winamp`
`14:47.48`	Neo`	`�� `
`14:47.50`	`Diao`	`could that be why`
`14:47.50`	Neo`	`�� `
`14:47.52`	`xerawx`	`i'm quite happy with my 60hz vsync @ 1680x1050 on my new quad.. although if i disable vsync it does go well above 64 fps`
`14:47.53`	`Tunga`	`it's also to do with white on black or black on white`
`14:47.55`	`Ozguli`	`kick that retard?`
`14:47.57`	`*** mode/#wowace [+b !n=neo@*.dialog-it.ru] by vhaarr`
`14:47.57`	*** kick/#wowace [Neo`!n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr] by vhaarr (vhaarr)
`14:48.17`	`Tunga`	`a white frame on a back constant burns on the eye for a moment so is more noticable`
`14:48.22`	`Azurewrath`	`only Grid -> no message, Grid+GridManaBars -> message, rest of interface without Grid -> no message`
`14:48.25`	`Codayus`	`Polarina: Common myth, but not entirely true. For one thing, movie theaters are a very bright image against a black background. For a variety of reasons, this will always look smoother than it "should".`
`14:48.32`	`Tunga`	`a black frame on a white constant disappears into the white frame before it which has burnt in`
`14:48.37`	ag`	`Your TFT monitor can't display more than 60/75 per second`
`14:49.16`	`xerawx`	`i realise that, but with gaming the frame rate is never completely constant`
`14:49.26`	`xerawx`	`especially with a game like wow`
`14:49.33`	`AlexanderB`	`is there another addon like Scrolling Combat Text?`
`14:49.34`	`Codayus`	`24 FPS on a CRT is awful. Even 60 FPS on a CRT is noticable. LCDs follow different rules.`
`14:49.41`	`Polarina`	`Xinhuan: I'm playing World of Warcraft with only 12-28 FPS and I find that fine. :)`
`14:49.43`	`AlexanderB`	`cause i always get an error of sct when logging ing`
`14:49.45`	`Tunga`	`having 120fps can be worth it because then when you're in shrattrath it's still 60-odd ^^`
`14:50.05`	`SunTsu`	`AlexanderB: Parrot AFAIK`
`14:50.06`	`Xinhuan`	`that is because even though you are playing at 12 fps, the screen is still refreshing at 60 fps`
`14:50.08`	`Tunga`	`alex try Paorrot or MiksSrollingBattleText`
`14:50.16`	`AlexanderB`	`parrot ok`
`14:50.21`	`Polarina`	`Xinhuan: 75 Hz.`
`14:50.32`	`RogueShadow`	`Polarina, movies shown in theatre's are poor quality, and have been for years. DVD's are better quality than theatre's.`
`14:50.37`	`Xinhuan`	`the game is just generating 12 frames per second, but your monitor still refreshes at 60 (typical standard value is 60)`
`14:50.50`	`Tunga`	`is there some shortcut to do that NameOfPerson: reply thing?`
`14:51.02`	`SunTsu`	`Tunga: "r"?`
`14:51.15`	`Xinhuan`	`type the first 2 to 3 letters of that person's name and press TAB`
`14:51.17`	`Ozguli`	`the movement still "hops"`
`14:51.23`	`Tunga`	`ahh nice thanks`
`14:51.28`	`Xinhuan`	`most IRC clients will autocomplete the name, or cycle through them`
`14:51.33`	`Polarina`	`Xinhuan: If I could get my FPS to 60 and have it say like that, I would never bother to complain..`
`14:51.35`	`CIA-8`	`03borlox * r55539 10/branches/CCopy/ (7 files in 3 dirs):`
`14:51.35`	`CIA-8`	`CCopy:`
`14:51.35`	`CIA-8`	`- CCopy will be a small mod to copy chat lines`
`14:51.36`	`xerawx`	`if you look sideways at a CRT refreshing at 60hz it'll look terrible, the flickering is plainly obvious.. but an LCD @ 60hz that's not the case, different rules`
`14:51.37`	`Tunga`	`yup that works`
`14:51.37`	`SunTsu`	`Ah, in IRC ;)`
`14:51.59`	`Ozguli`	`prat auto completes as well`
`14:52.04`	`Tunga`	`yeah i found the reply button in wow a while ago :P`
`14:52.54`	`SunTsu`	`Ozguli: Which is the basic reason I ever installed prat`
`14:53.11`	`Codayus`	`CRT draws a dim image, then turns off, and draws a NEW dim image. Easy to see flicker. In an LCD the pixels don't turn off, they just change. You won't see the flicker, but fast motion may still look poor.`
`14:53.16`	`xerawx`	`and by the same token.. a film strip projected on a giant screen at 24fps when you're sitting dozens of feet away looks fine`
`14:53.17`	`SunTsu`	`Missed it from IRC`
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`14:54.21`	`xerawx`	`because its actually "refreshing" in real time`
`14:54.37`	`xerawx`	`there is no electron gun, just light through the projector`
`14:55.18`	`xerawx`	`and then LCD projectors are whole other thing`
`14:55.21`	`Azurewrath`	`xerawx: but you can't compare a movie to a video game in means of fps.. it has several other reasons that it appears smooth`
`14:55.31`	`Codayus`	`Movie theatres are something else again. Several issues there, including the fact that they generate 48 or 72 (NOT 24) pulses of light per second.`
`14:55.47`	`CIA-8`	`03borlox * r55540 10/branches/CCopy/ (. Core.lua):`
`14:55.47`	`CIA-8`	`CCopy:`
`14:55.47`	`CIA-8`	`- problem in CCopy:MakeCleanMsg fixed (drycoded)`
`14:55.47`	`CIA-8`	`- property changed: tsvn:logetmplate`
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`14:57.44`	`xerawx`	`thats my point.. you can't compare this idea that the human eye only perceives ~20-30 fps to the dps you need in a game for it to look smooth`
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`14:58.36`	`xerawx`	`because there's all these other factors like the monitor refresh rate`
`14:58.36`	`xyu`	`morning!`
`14:59.01`	`xerawx`	`complexity spikes in a raid, etc`
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`14:59.47`	`Ozguli`	`BGs`
`15:00.14`	`CIA-8`	`03borlox * r55541 10CombatDnd/Core.lua:`
`15:00.14`	`CIA-8`	`CombatDnd:`
`15:00.14`	`CIA-8`	`- updated ID Code in Core.lua (hope it works)`
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`15:09.30`	`mjc`	`are we still able to become SVN mirrors? I'd like to provide a svn->git repo as well as a regular svn mirror`
`15:09.57`	`mjc`	`can't work on my import script til I have a copy of the repo though :/`
`15:10.37`	`Paradox`	`I wish they'd update atlas for ZA ffs >_>`
`15:10.49`	`mjc`	`cart :P`
`15:11.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'morning all`
`15:11.42`	`Ellipsis`	`hej Pkekyo\| ^-^`
`15:12.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`tjena`
`15:12.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`anything fun happening?`
`15:13.01`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm making 600 heavy netherweave bandages`
`15:13.04`	`Ellipsis`	`that's fun, right?`
`15:13.18`	`CIA-8`	`03ananhaid * r55542 10BigWigs/TheEye/Alar.lua:`
`15:13.18`	`CIA-8`	`BigWigs:`
`15:13.18`	`CIA-8`	`- zhCN update`
`15:14.19`	`kadrahil`	`Ellipsis: sell the cloth! quick!`
`15:14.44`	`Ellipsis`	`?`
`15:14.59`	`Ellipsis`	`I bought it off the AH for ~2.5g a stack...`
`15:15.27`	`kadrahil`	`oh`
`15:15.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: geif bandages! :<`
`15:15.44`	`SunTsu`	`Ellipsis: What doe NPCs pay for the bandages?`
`15:15.49`	`SunTsu`	`s/doe/do/`
`15:16.00`	`kadrahil`	`purl: botsnack`
`15:16.00`	`purl`	`kadrahil: thanks`
`15:16.01`	`Ellipsis`	`SunTsu: 6g per stack of bandages, which = 2 stacks of cloth...`
`15:16.22`	`kadrahil`	`Ellipsis: so you're making 1g off every stack?`
`15:16.26`	`Ellipsis`	`Pkekyo\|: take all you want, I'm up to my ears in 'em`
`15:16.31`	`Ellipsis`	`pretty much kadrahil`
`15:16.36`	`kadrahil`	`not bad`
`15:16.47`	`kadrahil`	`i haven't seen them go for less than 3g on my server in a while`
`15:16.48`	`Ellipsis`	`not bad for zero risk`
`15:16.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: I'm constantly out of bandages :<`
`15:17.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if only I was a bubbleboy and could heal /sigh`
`15:17.09`	`kadrahil`	`l2farm`
`15:17.17`	`SunTsu`	`Then I am glad I usually sell 1 stack netherweave cloth for about 4,5g in AH ;)`
`15:17.53`	`kadrahil`	`Pkekyo\|: blood elf post in southern smv, mobs are 68-69, ezmode`
`15:18.44`	`kadrahil`	`eclipse point`
`15:18.45`	Xion`	`<3 warlocks in legion hold`
`15:19.14`	`kadrahil`	`eh, the blood elves drop tomes and signets that sell too ;)`
`15:19.22`	`Ellipsis`	`BT blood elves imo`
`15:19.29`	`Pkekyo\|`	`kadrahil: not gonna go out of my way to farm netherweave....just gonna sit around and hope a guildie's got too much cloth :p`
`15:19.30`	Xion`	`the locks drop mark of sargeras and fel armament ;)`
`15:19.31`	`kadrahil`	`yeah but they aren't as squishy`
`15:19.39`	`Ellipsis`	`kadrahil: o rly?`
`15:19.49`	`Ellipsis`	`I don't have any trouble taking them out as fast as I can run :P`
`15:19.52`	`kadrahil`	`Ellipsis: yarly and there's elites :(`
`15:20.01`	`Ellipsis`	`not if you stay down at the bottom`
`15:20.07`	`kadrahil`	`true`
`15:20.19`	`Ellipsis`	`plus`
`15:20.19`	`kenlyric`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:20.21`	`kadrahil`	`i can solo 3 or 4 of the level 70 ones up top but that gets hairy`
`15:20.28`	`kadrahil`	`since there's so many of them so close... so many extras`
`15:20.28`	`kenlyric`	`I wonder if it could be that specific color.`
`15:20.33`	`Ellipsis`	`the felguard guys that spawn down in teh center are elite, and enslavable`
`15:20.36`	`Ellipsis`	`for ultimate ezmode ;D`
`15:20.41`	`kadrahil`	`lol`
`15:21.11`	`Ellipsis`	`kenlyric: that would be extremely weird`
`15:21.18`	`Ellipsis`	`is this your assertion?`
`15:21.59`	`kenlyric`	`still testing.`
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`15:24.01`	`kadrahil`	`i'm going to reroll either a lock or a druid`
`15:24.34`	`mjc`	`who's maintaining the svn and stuff these days?`
`15:24.35`	`kadrahil`	`druid might see a better mix of pve and pvp since everyone has a lock`
`15:25.03`	`nevcairiel`	`mjc: Kaelten`
`15:25.23`	`mjc`	`should I shoot him an email? or is he too busy`
`15:25.35`	`nevcairiel`	`email is the best way to reach him`
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`15:28.42`	`CIA-8`	`037destiny * r55543 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/ (Council.lua Illidan.lua): BigWigs: koKR typo fixed`
`15:29.33`	`mjc`	`nevcairiel: whoosh. thanks.`
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`15:29.54`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: What's the exact error?`
`15:29.59`	`poxk`	`anyone use gridmanabars? and notice huge lag spikes when using it lately?`
`15:30.16`	`kenlyric`	`I cleared it... it's just assertion failed.`
`15:30.20`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: (QuestsFu is using SinkLib for all that stuff -- I have no idea what LSM is getting used for in there.)`
`15:30.23`	`kenlyric`	`i'll get line number`
`15:31.29`	`Kemayo`	`Hm, okay, SinkLib uses LSM solely to provide custom fonts to MSBT.`
`15:31.58`	`kenlyric`	`yup, happened again. I'm not sure if the color changed though.`
`15:32.07`	`kenlyric`	`went from 18/40 to 20/40`
`15:32.36`	`kenlyric`	`http://ace.pastey.net/77610`
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`15:34.15`	`backbone87`	`somewhere a doc for fb2 -.-`
`15:34.30`	`Ellipsis`	`it's on the wiki`
`15:35.07`	`Ellipsis`	`http://wiki.wowace.com/wiki/FlexBar2_slash_command_reference <<probably what you want`
`15:35.12`	`kenlyric`	`seems to only appear when there is an even number of quest objectives.`
`15:36.57`	`poxk`	`anyone know if you can get details with recount for older then last 5 combat times?`
`15:37.06`	`kenlyric`	`I also think it eats the message.`
`15:37.08`	`backbone87`	`Ellipsis: thx`
`15:37.14`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: You're using Parrot?`
`15:37.18`	`kenlyric`	`yes`
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`15:40.21`	`Borked\|Raider`	`The point blizzards windows, character screen, guild tap and all those, anchor to, is that a global var? as can i anchor a window of mine right of whats already open and such`
`15:40.29`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: What prints after this? "/print Parrot_ScrollAreas:GetScrollArea("Notification").font"`
`15:40.54`	`kenlyric`	`error`
`15:41.11`	`kenlyric`	`[2007/11/20 10:40:39-63-x1]: <string>:"Rock("LibRockConsole-1.0"):PrintLiteral(Par...":1: attempt to index global 'Parrot_ScrollAreas' (a nil value)`
`15:41.36`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Oh, right`
`15:41.39`	`kenlyric`	`stupid nethermine bursters`
`15:41.56`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Then: /print Parrot:GetModule("ScrollAreas"):GetScrollArea("Notification").font`
`15:42.12`	`kenlyric`	`nil`
`15:42.26`	`kenlyric`	`(in the chat frame)`
`15:43.10`	`Ellipsis`	`individual scroll areas don't have their own fonts by default, they inherit from the master font settings o.O`
`15:43.16`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: And: /print Parrot:GetModule("Display").db.profile.font`
`15:43.37`	`kenlyric`	`Friz Quadrata TT`
`15:45.39`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: /print Parrot:GetModule("Display").db.profile.stickyFont`
`15:45.52`	`backbone87`	`can fb2 display bagbuttons?`
`15:46.10`	`kenlyric`	`same`
`15:46.58`	`AlexanderB`	`where is the city senethil?`
`15:47.14`	`AlexanderB`	`someone know that? ^^`
`15:49.56`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: I am confused, then. Could you try changing the output settings in QuestsFu's PlayerNotify module to the UIErrorsFrame and see whether that error shows up again?`
`15:50.12`	`kenlyric`	`yes.`
`15:50.48`	`kenlyric`	`I acquired delicious chocolate cake during testing.`
`15:52.04`	`Kemayo`	`Mmm, cake.`
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`15:53.35`	`Ellipsis`	`the cake is a lie`
`15:54.06`	`kenlyric`	`cake and a vendorfish`
`15:54.07`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Sorry, was that "yes" a "yes I can test" or "yes is still happens"? :D`
`15:54.13`	`kenlyric`	`yes I can test.`
`15:54.19`	`kenlyric`	`I don't have any quests to that point.`
`15:54.27`	`Kemayo`	`That seems fair.`
`15:55.05`	`kenlyric`	`odd. That setting isn't set at all.`
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`15:56.10`	`Kemayo`	`SinkLib thing, I think. If you haven't explicitly set it then it doesn't show a value and just uses the default.`
`15:56.35`	`kenlyric`	`which is parrot?`
`15:57.08`	`Kemayo`	`"Parrot", or "Default" will use Parrot as its first choice. (As I recall.)`
`15:59.07`	`kenlyric`	`so, output to Blizzard Error Frame and see what happens?`
`15:59.11`	`Kemayo`	`Yup.`
`15:59.37`	`kenlyric`	`i just checked, and it's definitely 50% of an even number quest count and it does eat the message (on Parrot). Testing the other now.`
`15:59.50`	`kenlyric`	`this test brought to you by Whelgar's Excavation Site`
`15:59.56`	`Ellipsis`	`lol`
`16:03.17`	`kenlyric`	`stupid game`
`16:03.36`	`kenlyric`	`since when does sartooth roam?`
`16:03.58`	`Lukian`	`Is that the loch dinosaur?`
`16:04.04`	`Lukian`	`Always has`
`16:04.14`	`Lukian`	`wetlands*`
`16:05.15`	`Kemayo`	`I've only ever found it up on that highest ledge.`
`16:05.22`	`kenlyric`	`that's what I remember.`
`16:05.57`	`Lukian`	`That's it's spawn`
`16:06.01`	`Lukian`	`but it does roam a little`
`16:06.19`	`kenlyric`	`comes through fine to the error frame.`
`16:06.34`	`Kemayo`	`Hm, okay.`
`16:07.17`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Set it back to being explicitly set to Parrot, and see whether that causes it?`
`16:07.47`	`Kemayo`	`(Oh, for bugs that I could reproduce myself!)`
`16:08.07`	`Ellipsis`	`that's too easy`
`16:08.14`	`Ellipsis`	`doing it this way is way more fun`
`16:08.57`	`kenlyric`	`on the hunt for alts with easily achievable quest objectives.`
`16:09.31`	`Ellipsis`	`why don't you just do the same quest over and over for testing?`
`16:09.33`	`Ellipsis`	`o.O`
`16:09.52`	`kenlyric`	`that's crazytalk`
`16:10.10`	`Lukian`	`collect 10 x, delete the 10th :p`
`16:10.19`	`kenlyric`	`it was a kill quest.`
`16:11.07`	`Ellipsis`	`accept quest, kill half the mobs, abandon, repeat`
`16:11.46`	`Kemayo`	`Nah, for testing it's all about finding a quest that has you pincking up items from the ground.`
`16:11.54`	`Kemayo`	`s/pincking/picking/`
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`16:13.09`	`Lukian`	`do the cooking daily`
`16:13.38`	`kenlyric`	`doesn't have an even number of objectives.`
`16:13.54`	`Lukian`	`it needs to be even? o.O`
`16:13.59`	`kenlyric`	`yes`
`16:14.16`	`kenlyric`	`didn't happen with nethermine cargo`
`16:14.35`	`Xinhuan`	`do the daily quest 40 crystals`
`16:14.39`	`Xinhuan`	`netherwing`
`16:14.49`	`Xinhuan`	`delete 2 and you will have 38, etc`
`16:14.51`	`markt_`	`mmm, i'm not sure about the goodness of having guild bank on the armory...`
`16:14.56`	`markt_`	`well, i am sure about the goodness of it...`
`16:15.03`	`markt_`	`...but having to log in over non-SSL sucks!`
`16:15.11`	`markt_`	`how many people are going to get their accounts hacked now?`
`16:15.32`	`Borked\|Raider`	`Raidtitle:SetText(ActiveLog.RaidName or "") this work fine if RaidName is nil etc. are there any smart way to make it also work if ActiveLog is nil, or do i need to use if then else to do it?`
`16:15.36`	`Lukian`	`only those on unsecured wireless`
`16:15.38`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`dunno bout you`
`16:15.38`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`but`
`16:15.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`https://www.wowarmory.com/guild-search.xml`
`16:15.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`works for me`
`16:15.41`	`kenlyric`	`oooh, it fired twice that time.`
`16:15.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`noob`
`16:15.51`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:X`
`16:15.51`	`kenlyric`	`got two quest objectives to 50% at the same time.`
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`16:16.07`	`markt_`	`ah, you're right, there is https - but it's certainly not default`
`16:16.12`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`yes`
`16:16.16`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`which sucks`
`16:16.17`	`Xinhuan`	`kenlyric, what addon`
`16:16.48`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`but otoh`
`16:16.48`	`Xinhuan`	`are you testing`
`16:16.48`	`Kemayo`	`Borked\|Raider: Raidtitle:SetText(ActiveLog and ActiveLog.RaidName or "")`
`16:16.49`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`the people who don't use SSL`
`16:16.49`	`kenlyric`	`explicitly set to Parrot`
`16:16.49`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`or https for that matter`
`16:16.49`	`markt_`	`ok, good, my account will be secure then :-p`
`16:16.53`	`markt_`	`lukian: you think it's only unsecured wireless that takes packets from person X to the armory? fail =]`
`16:16.54`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: This narrows it down. I'm horribly confused as to how it could be happening, mind.`
`16:17.13`	`Borked\|Raider`	`oki Kemayo thx, wasent sure if i was alowed to do so and it dint work at first try for me, properly a typo so trying agian`
`16:17.15`	`Borked\|Raider`	`again`
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`16:17.29`	`kenlyric`	`i can reset my parrot SV to see if that helps.`
`16:18.20`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Give it a shot.`
`16:18.34`	`Kemayo`	`If that doesn't work I'll have to switch back to Parrot for a while to test.`
`16:18.40`	`Lukian`	`markt_, unless there's sniffers on internet routers, yes :p`
`16:18.59`	`Lukian`	`grr, I can't run wow through wine atm :/`
`16:19.17`	`si-m1`	`because of the new warden?`
`16:19.28`	`si-m1`	`i mean rootkit`
`16:19.43`	`Lukian`	`oh is that what broke it?`
`16:19.49`	`si-m1`	`dunno`
`16:20.03`	`si-m1`	`did it break with the latest patch?`
`16:20.07`	`Lukian`	`nope`
`16:20.09`	`Lukian`	`just today`
`16:20.11`	`si-m1`	`ah ok`
`16:20.31`	`si-m1`	`not sure when they introduced the new warden`
`16:22.05`	`si-m1`	`roumers has it that it works without -opengl`
`16:22.25`	`si-m1`	`so i guess it has nothing to do with warden`
`16:22.37`	`markt_`	`heh, it won't let me log in to the armory anyway`
`16:22.41`	`Lukian`	`It's dying completely on me, it used to get stuck at the loading screen (bar didn't load), but now it won't even load up the game`
`16:23.10`	`kenlyric`	`resetting the SV didn't do anything.`
`16:23.26`	`kenlyric`	`but i'm getting a taint error when combat begins. let me see what that is.`
`16:23.44`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Okay.`
`16:24.09`	`kenlyric`	`oh, still just grid.`
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`16:25.49`	`kenlyric`	`my own uninformed opinion is that it's failing on the specific color at 50%`
`16:26.03`	`Kemayo`	`Well, I'm very confused and don't see how the error could be happening. I'll switch back to Parrot and try to replicate it.`
`16:26.42`	`Kemayo`	`The colors shouldn't be related to LSM in any way, though. I agree that it seems to be correlated, but I don't see why.`
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`16:30.07`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: I have thought of a test you can try.`
`16:31.05`	`kenlyric`	`ok`
`16:31.28`	`kenlyric`	`I'm trying resetting the questfu SV to see what it does.`
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`16:32.03`	`kenlyric`	`that new graveyard in southern barrens is nice.`
`16:32.33`	`CIA-8`	`03hyperactiveChipmunk * r55544 10BulkMail2/BulkMail.lua:`
`16:32.33`	`CIA-8`	`BulkMail2:`
`16:32.33`	`CIA-8`	`- fix for nil error in line 319`
`16:32.41`	`Kemayo`	`It's all about the new flight points.`
`16:32.59`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: If resetting the SVs does help, type in "/script QuestsFu:GetModule("PlayerNotify"):Pour(ERR_QUEST_ADD_ITEM_SII:format("Foo", 20, 40, QuestsFu:GetColorFromCompletion(0.5))"`
`16:33.04`	`aestil`	`so, pretty much all addon authors ban WowUI now? which sorta makes their plan a big backfire?`
`16:33.15`	`Ellipsis`	`something like that, yeah`
`16:33.23`	`Ellipsis`	`stupid users will still find their way there`
`16:33.42`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Or "QuestsFu:GetModule("PlayerNotify"):Pour(ERR_QUEST_ADD_ITEM_SII:format("Foo", 20, 40, QuestsFu:GetColorFromCompletion(0.5)))" because it has properly matched parens.`
`16:34.03`	`aestil`	`there's no way to prevent them from doing what they are doing though, without legal action?`
`16:34.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`naw, they still win because of all the page hits they're getting for their ads from people pissed off at them`
`16:34.18`	`Ellipsis`	`^`
`16:34.27`	`aestil`	`thats temporary though.`
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`16:36.35`	`poxk`	`oh what did i miss? whats wowui doeing?`
`16:36.40`	`Grum`	`omg nearly @ revision 55555!!!`
`16:37.05`	`kenlyric`	`it's not happening now.`
`16:37.17`	`kenlyric`	`you want me to try that script now?`
`16:37.29`	`aestil`	`2.4 is gonna be awesome, better dmg meters, better dot timers, better threat meters.`
`16:37.44`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Yeah, give it a try anyway.`
`16:37.49`	`SunTsu`	`better bugs! ducks and runs away`
`16:37.49`	`kenlyric`	`Foo: 20/40`
`16:37.52`	`kenlyric`	`it's white`
`16:38.59`	`Kemayo`	`I'm not sure why it's white, but it's occurred to me what the problem was.`
`16:39.58`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Two tests!`
`16:40.08`	`kenlyric`	`ok.`
`16:40.18`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: /print unpack(QuestsFu.db.profile.colors.underway)`
`16:40.51`	`Kemayo`	`Then use the menu to customize that color. Then do the /print again.`
`16:40.59`	`kenlyric`	`1, 1, 0`
`16:41.18`	`Kemayo`	`It has occurred to me, you see, that alpha values from the color picker are almost certainly at fault.`
`16:41.34`	`kenlyric`	`in the first SV, they were all nil`
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`16:43.18`	`aestil`	`the comma seperated values combat logs sound awesome. alot smaller, easier on the computer to write while in a raid [i'm guessing] and wiht GUID's no need for the wws2 method?`
`16:43.41`	`Lothaer`	`G'Day`
`16:45.20`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i think the addon CPU and mem usage will go down quite a bit with 2.4 aestil`
`16:45.22`	`kenlyric`	`http://ace.pastey.net/77685 from the first SV`
`16:46.22`	`aestil`	`parser lib's are basically creating events from the combat log text strings, right?`
`16:47.17`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`pretty much yeah`
`16:47.47`	`Ellipsis`	`sag_ich_nicht: I don't think the memory usage will be significantly decreased, but the CPU probably will`
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`16:48.57`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis: i don't believe it!`
`16:49.41`	`Ellipsis`	`no u`
`16:49.51`	`stavmar`	`so are all the combat log mods borked in 2.4 now?`
`16:49.52`	`aestil`	`sag_ich_nicht: makes sense that less cpu cylces will be needed. but i don't know why less memory besides the actual parser libs being smaller.`
`16:50.01`	`aestil`	`unless they get updated, yes.`
`16:50.10`	`kenlyric`	`on a fresh SV, colors isn't set at all.`
`16:50.30`	`stavmar`	`the question is how effective an update will be versus a complete rewrite...`
`16:50.52`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: It should just be falling back to the defaults until you manually set it, and so not making it into the savedvariables at all.`
`16:51.00`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[17:49] <aestil> sag_ich_nicht: makes sense that less cpu cylces will be needed. but i don't know why less memory besides the actual parser libs being smaller. <--see? :P`
`16:51.20`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no no Ellipsis`
`16:51.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`when i say "i don't believe it"`
`16:51.29`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`you have to say "habeeb it"`
`16:51.34`	`Ellipsis`	`no u`
`16:51.53`	`Ellipsis`	`I probably would have thought of that if I wasn't busy playing with new addons`
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`16:52.04`	`Lothaer`	`ehy guys, whats your opinion on the requirments for some of the S3 items?`
`16:52.11`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`uh`
`16:52.16`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i don't care`
`16:52.17`	`CIA-8`	`03kemayo * r55545 10FuBar_QuestsFu/QuestsFu.lua: FuBar_QuestsFu: Drop alpha values from manually set colors.`
`16:52.30`	`Ellipsis`	`my opinion is pvpers can go die in a fire for all I care`
`16:52.40`	`Lothaer`	`typically im the same there Elli`
`16:53.00`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis imho i should take you by the hand and show you how to pvp`
`16:53.05`	`Lothaer`	`lol`
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`16:53.18`	`[dRaCo]`	`Lothaer: great, since now all those noobs out there cant go buy some kickass weapons after losing 5 weeks in the arena`
`16:53.22`	`Ellipsis`	`sag_ich_nicht: I don't let strangers touch me where I pvp!`
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`16:53.36`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis but we're not strangers, are we?`
`16:54.49`	`kenlyric`	`Kemayo: it still works fine if I change the colors. I'm guessing I had some old data in the SV from an earlier implementation or maybe a bug.`
`16:54.55`	`kenlyric`	`I've had the error since before 2.2`
`16:55.05`	`kenlyric`	`well, since 2.2 at least.`
`16:55.56`	`kenlyric`	`going to lunch, ping me if you want me to try anything else, if not, thanks for the help :)`
`16:56.58`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: It was probably an earlier implementation, then. Such is life. Thanks for being my guinea pig!`
`16:58.39`	`Lothaer`	`any1 here use Critline 5.0?`
`17:00.46`	`Lothaer`	`i want to make the GUI of Critline hidden by default how would i do that?`
`17:00.58`	`Lukian`	`I moved to topscorefu ages ago`
`17:01.10`	`Lothaer`	`i do not use FuBar`
`17:01.25`	`Lothaer`	`Titan 4L`
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`17:03.48`	`SunTsu`	`Lothaer: I had too much problems with titan and especially CritLine and a german client`
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`17:04.21`	`SunTsu`	`So I switched to FuBar and TopScoreFu`
`17:04.54`	`Lothaer`	`thats understandable`
`17:05.12`	`Varak`	`hey everyone - Im looking for Aced addon that will show me how many eartshield stacks does ES I cast have`
`17:05.18`	`Varak`	`any ideas?`
`17:05.32`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`ahahaha`
`17:05.44`	`Varak`	`eh?`
`17:06.01`	`[AR]Camci`	`at CowTip, is it possible to make a blank line in the toolbar? i tried to do that in "line texts" to just have a blank line but didnt work like that. anyone know how ?`
`17:06.20`	`aestil`	`wtf Ellipsis you pvp down there? thats a really wierd way of looking at it.`
`17:07.20`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Machine Head, Trivium, Dragonforce, Arch Enemy, Shadows Fall, all playing on the same evening in a few weeks 8D`
`17:07.21`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`fuck yeah`
`17:07.39`	`CIA-8`	`03kunda * r55546 10FuBar_DurabilityFu/DurabilityFuLocale-deDE.lua: FuBar_DurabilityFu: deDE update`
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`17:21.54`	`Chompers`	`fucking Heroes`
`17:22.11`	`Chompers`	`why can't claire die, she ruins the show`
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`17:22.29`	`Chompers`	`and west, he can die too`
`17:22.35`	`nevcairiel`	`you know, she can heal herself`
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`17:22.41`	`nevcairiel`	`hard dieing`
`17:22.54`	`poxk`	`she 'died' before`
`17:23.07`	`nevcairiel`	`until someone removed the wood from her head`
`17:23.07`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`17:23.16`	`Chompers`	`chop her up then`
`17:23.26`	`Chompers`	`SOMETHING...ANYTHING`
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`17:23.51`	`poxk`	`get her lost in the past or future maybe`
`17:24.29`	`poxk`	`who is west again? sark?`
`17:24.55`	`mjc`	`Chompers: I'll die you right in the face`
`17:25.44`	`Chompers`	`west is her stalker/boyfriend`
`17:26.27`	`SunTsu`	`.o0( I hope nobody spoils something for me from heroes )`
`17:26.36`	`poxk`	`sark is ftw tho`
`17:26.43`	`Chompers`	`he sure is`
`17:27.08`	`Erik\^`	`How much work would it be to add a watershield / lightning shield - earthshield tracker to a bar in YATA ?`
`17:27.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1195511454875.jpg too good`
`17:29.46`	`Azurewrath`	`Pkekyo\|: that's like 7 million years old :p`
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`17:30.25`	`poxk`	`still good :p`
`17:30.45`	`mjc`	`http://www.kottke.org/07/11/surreal-printer`
`17:32.01`	`mjc`	`and http://farm1.static.flickr.com/205/505699372_5584485c38.jpg?v=0`
`17:33.03`	`poxk`	`lol`
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`17:39.03`	`sb`	`hm heroes spoilers?`
`17:39.10`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`spoiler`
`17:39.13`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`clair heals herself`
`17:39.23`	`sb`	`and heals...`
`17:39.26`	`sb`	`err nvm :p`
`17:39.32`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`spoiler`
`17:39.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`clair is a permanent virgin`
`17:39.36`	`sb`	`yup :(`
`17:39.40`	`sb`	`oh`
`17:40.00`	`poxk`	`lol`
`17:40.05`	`poxk`	`i like how your mind works`
`17:41.35`	`Ellipsis`	`spoiler: sag_ich_nicht is a troll`
`17:41.40`	`Ellipsis`	`oh wait, that one was obvious`
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`17:42.11`	`JoshBorke`	`Ellipsis is a troll`
`17:42.23`	`Ellipsis`	`no u :(`
`17:42.31`	`JoshBorke`	`i don't post so how could i be a troll?`
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`17:43.08`	`SunTsu`	`.o0( Why do people always tell when somebody is a troll? Why don't they tell if someone is a gnome or blood elf? )`
`17:43.18`	`Ellipsis`	`JoshBorke: you troll irl imo`
`17:44.01`	`JoshBorke`	`it's true`
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`17:44.40`	`Mudkips`	`p_p`
`17:44.51`	`JoshBorke`	`speaking of trolling, time for class`
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`17:49.37`	`Ellipsis`	`ping Tuller`
`17:49.44`	`Tuller`	`Ellipsis: ?`
`17:49.49`	`Glorian`	`:)`
`17:49.52`	`Glorian`	`forgot the slash`
`17:49.53`	`aestil`	`ping Ellipsis`
`17:49.53`	`Glorian`	`^^`
`17:50.11`	`Ellipsis`	`Tuller: is there a reason that the pet bar can't be a separate module in Bongos?`
`17:50.22`	`NeoTron`	`so`
`17:50.28`	`NeoTron`	`a bad night in Zul'Aman is pretty bad`
`17:50.31`	`Tuller`	`Ellipsis: it is :p`
`17:50.40`	`Glorian`	`lol`
`17:50.41`	`Ellipsis`	`it seems to come with actionbar, for me?`
`17:50.45`	`NeoTron`	`the last two bosses can be incredibly aggravating`
`17:50.48`	`Glorian`	`nice answer ;)`
`17:51.10`	`Tuller`	`Ellipsis: well, its still a "module" :P`
`17:51.15`	`Tuller`	`Ellipsis: why do you want to remove it?`
`17:51.27`	`Ellipsis`	`yes but I don't want to run the actionbar module because I don't use actionbars...I just want my pet bar :(`
`17:51.48`	`Glorian`	`i use bartender 3`
`17:52.13`	`Glorian`	`with all bars deactivated except petbar`
`17:52.20`	`Nocts`	`That doesn't solve our issue.`
`17:52.32`	`Tuller`	`Ellipsis: well, that's a bit more difficult, since bongos deactivates the old main actionbar`
`17:52.40`	`Glorian`	`rest of the Buttons Flexbar 2`
`17:52.46`	`Ellipsis`	`Tuller: I understand, but I'd be happy with a petbar module that didn't touch the blizz stuff`
`17:53.08`	`Nocts`	`She's also upset about theming`
`17:53.11`	`Ellipsis`	`I have other code to hide blizzard frames, I'm just trying to find a way to handle my pet bar when I don't use any action IDs`
`17:53.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`best website there is to upload 16 megs without having to register?`
`17:53.21`	`Ellipsis`	`Nocts: minor issue, at least there's a decent workaround for that`
`17:53.23`	`Tuller`	`Ellipsis: you should in theory be able to turn the petbar folder into a module`
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`17:53.51`	`Ellipsis`	`ooh`
`17:53.53`	`Tuller`	`Ellipsis: just take out the folder from Bongos_ActionBar and add in a toc`
`17:54.05`	`Ellipsis`	`I'll give that a shot`
`17:54.24`	`aestil`	`i get 19% off my vzwireless bill for working for starbucks.`
`17:54.27`	`aestil`	`thats pretty funny`
`17:56.57`	`Ellipsis`	`hm, that didn't work so well`
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`17:57.40`	`Tuller`	`localization errors, I imagine?`
`17:57.57`	`Ellipsis`	`didn't get that far, it needed config.lua as well`
`17:58.04`	`Ellipsis`	`but I'm slowly working my way towards a solution`
`17:58.08`	`Ellipsis`	`also: please have my babies`
`17:58.30`	`Tuller`	`and keybound :)`
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`17:58.43`	`Tuller`	`though you can comment out that stuff, the button.lua code is quite simple`
`18:00.34`	`Ellipsis`	`got it working :D`
`18:00.41`	`Ellipsis`	`you are my hero of the day`
`18:00.49`	`Glorian`	`:-)`
`18:01.16`	`CIA-8`	`03tsigo * r55547 10Cutup/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Cutup: Use LibSharedMedia-2.0. All the cool kids were doing it!`
`18:01.20`	`Fisker-`	`did ora lose autoinvites?`
`18:03.32`	Funkeh`	`Fisker-, it doesn't work unless you have ora activated`
`18:04.22`	`CIA-8`	`03kunda * r55548 10FuBar_DurabilityFu/DurabilityFu.lua: FuBar_DurabilityFu: fixed nil bug if showPopup is called`
`18:04.57`	`dodga`	`Hm`
`18:05.02`	`dodga`	`Taint in BigWigs flash-thingy :\`
`18:05.17`	`Ellipsis`	`is it actually blocking actions?`
`18:05.38`	`dodga`	`dunno`
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`18:05.46`	`Ellipsis`	`I doubt it`
`18:05.52`	`dodga`	`Just read about the taint.log in the Grid thread and remembered I turned taint logging, too`
`18:05.55`	`dodga`	`And then had a look`
`18:05.59`	Funkeh`	`dodga, there is no taints in bigwigs`
`18:06.03`	Funkeh`	`something is blaming it`
`18:06.07`	`dodga`	`But I played last on sunday ;i`
`18:06.17`	`dodga`	`11/18 21:12:12.609 An action was blocked in combat because of taint from BigWigs_Extras - WorldFrame:ClearAllPoints()`
`18:06.20`	`dodga`	`11/18 21:12:12.609 Interface\AddOns\BigWigs_Extras\Flash.lua:205`
`18:06.23`	Funkeh`	`...`
`18:06.24`	`dodga`	`I'm no expert :D`
`18:06.28`	`dodga`	`I just report symptoms ;)`
`18:06.30`	Funkeh`	<Funkeh`> dodga, there is no taints in bigwigs
`18:06.33`	Funkeh`	<Funkeh`> something is blaming it
`18:06.38`	Funkeh`	`I can copy and paste too!`
`18:06.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`mhm`
`18:06.52`	`Glorian`	`:))`
`18:06.58`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`wonder if you can abuse a weakness in WoW`
`18:07.00`	`dodga`	`I believe you! Don't shoot! Take the money, the watch and the kids! But dear god don't shoot!`
`18:07.03`	`dodga`	`:>`
`18:07.06`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`my HP reg is high enough`
`18:07.11`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`to perma stand in the lava in IF`
`18:07.14`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`so`
`18:07.20`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`(the oper one, mind you)`
`18:07.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`could i use that to stay perma-logged on?`
`18:07.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:X`
`18:07.39`	`Kuja^`	`lol`
`18:07.59`	`Chexsum`	`you can stand at the dark portal and stay logged on via being in combat`
`18:08.15`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`lol nice`
`18:08.31`	`aestil`	`sunwell is for sure a 2.4 patch?`
`18:08.32`	`NivFreak`	`and then pay your repair bill the next morning?`
`18:08.33`	`NivFreak`	`:)`
`18:08.35`	`NivFreak`	`aestil: yea`
`18:08.37`	`aestil`	`and they claim to want to patch it before jan?`
`18:08.42`	`NivFreak`	`yep`
`18:08.51`	`Chexsum`	`nothing gets near you afaik`
`18:09.10`	`NivFreak`	`Chexsum: last I checked, duration went down for just being in combat`
`18:09.12`	Funkeh`	`dodga, seems something has tainted the world frame when bigwigs tries to clear the points`
`18:09.13`	`aestil`	`thats crazy. thats like 1 month away. the PTR would have to be up already.`
`18:09.22`	Funkeh`	`therefor being blamed`
`18:09.23`	`kenlyric`	`so why do mods have to set SVs with AckisRecipeListDB = nil?`
`18:09.28`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`NivFreak: lvl 70 hp reg is high enough that you can stand in it without any equiped items`
`18:09.28`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`18:09.40`	`kenlyric`	`well, as an example`
`18:09.44`	`NivFreak`	`sag_ich_nicht: good point`
`18:11.04`	`Fisker-`	Funkeh` yeah but it doesn't even show up in the ora menu
`18:11.41`	`Ellipsis`	`as opposed to what, kenlyric?`
`18:11.42`	`aestil`	`wtf, elkano won't switch ebbs to SML2, why? what is his sucessor of SML1 goign to do that SML2 doesn't and that we have to have more than 1 SML type mod?`
`18:11.44`	`Fisker-`	`nevermind`
`18:11.46`	`Fisker-`	`i was blind`
`18:11.53`	`kenlyric`	`Ellipsis: as opposed to not setting anything at all.`
`18:11.55`	`dodga`	Funkeh`: Probably, but then again there's now way to actually find out what exactly is tainting I guess (except doing ye olde binary search addon disabling game)
`18:12.02`	`kenlyric`	`not having a SV if there's no variables to save.`
`18:12.06`	`Ellipsis`	`oh`
`18:12.08`	`Ellipsis`	`they don't`
`18:12.12`	Funkeh`	`dodga, feel free ^^`
`18:12.24`	`dodga`	Funkeh`: Lemme think abou-no.
`18:12.27`	`dodga`	`:>`
`18:12.31`	Funkeh`	`:)`
`18:12.33`	`Ellipsis`	`if you see a file like that (I'm guessing you're looking in your SVs dir per-char) it's because the toc specifies teh SVs but they're never used`
`18:12.44`	`Ellipsis`	`a lot of authors do that out of habit and it annoys me too`
`18:12.59`	`kenlyric`	`so it's not required?`
`18:13.06`	`Ellipsis`	`it's not required, no`
`18:13.12`	`Ellipsis`	`all they have to do is remove the line from the toc`
`18:13.34`	`kenlyric`	`I usually see it on mods that store their data in char SVs instead of the central ones.`
`18:13.37`	`Xinhuan`	`it depends on the addon. Some SVs might not be used if the addon has "modules"`
`18:14.16`	`Xinhuan`	`there could be an addon with 5 modules that are enabled/disabled in game, but the addon itself wasn't coded in 5 separate files`
`18:14.46`	`Ellipsis`	`erm, I dunno about you guys, but I'm talking about things like omen's unused per char DB`
`18:14.55`	`kenlyric`	`or it's possible it has settings that I just haven't changed.`
`18:14.56`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis stab Antiarc`
`18:15.01`	`Ellipsis`	`there's really no reason it would ever use it, but it's specified in the toc "just in case"`
`18:15.06`	`Xinhuan`	`lets have an example. lets say you have a addon that stores the contents of your bank`
`18:15.10`	`Ellipsis`	`sag_ich_nicht: there are more important things in life`
`18:15.16`	`Xinhuan`	`and the author decided to add GuildBank support`
`18:15.18`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis true`
`18:15.18`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`<3`
`18:15.23`	`Xinhuan`	`but if you don't have a guild`
`18:15.26`	`Xinhuan`	`then there is nothing to store`
`18:15.32`	`Xinhuan`	`so the SV for it could be nil`
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`18:15.52`	`Xinhuan`	`does that make sense? :)`
`18:16.21`	`kenlyric`	`so essentially these could have settings, but don't?`
`18:16.27`	`Xinhuan`	`potentially`
`18:16.40`	`Ellipsis`	`Xinhuan, that's a special case. my problem is with all these addons which don't have a conceivable use for per-char SVs (since they rely 100% on the AceDB profile system), but specify them anyway`
`18:17.28`	`Xinhuan`	`then you can bug Antiarc about it`
`18:17.32`	`kenlyric`	`like Skillet`
`18:17.40`	`Xinhuan`	`bug nogu about that`
`18:18.06`	`Ellipsis`	`Xinhuan: meh, if I cared that much I'd post on the forums and list addons I've seen that do it`
`18:18.12`	`Ellipsis`	`even some libs do (glory, off the top of my head)`
`18:18.18`	`Ellipsis`	`which is doubly stupid`
`18:18.29`	`kenlyric`	`rock`
`18:18.41`	`kenlyric`	`but we know what's that used for`
`18:18.51`	`Stanzilla`	`datamining :O`
`18:19.02`	`Tuller_`	`haha`
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`18:19.17`	`kenlyric`	`ok, that's just odd. CutupDB has a napespace of "Julienne"`
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`18:19.21`	`kenlyric`	`I've never had a char named that.`
`18:19.35`	`kenlyric`	`I suspect virus.`
`18:19.35`	`xyu`	`hmm interesting spam. someone using an alt named "<GLsname>BANK" just sent a mail to all our members saying to donate money for the guild bank slots, "no donation is too small" etc etc. lol`
`18:19.59`	`kenlyric`	`oh god I'm dumb.`
`18:20.18`	`Xinhuan`	`did you just say Rock? :)`
`18:20.33`	`jeramy`	`jeez, im not even sure theres a workaround for the SecondsToTimeAbbrev api change if you were hook and replacing SecondsToTimeAbbrev before`
`18:20.36`	`kenlyric`	`that'd be much easier to hide under. Very large.`
`18:20.44`	`jeramy`	`blizzard just doesnt want you replacing their buff timers`
`18:21.01`	`kenlyric`	`the ones I really don't get are ["detachedTooltip"] = {}`
`18:21.05`	`Xinhuan`	`don't replace it`
`18:21.10`	`kenlyric`	`set's a SV to tell me I haven't detached my tooltip.`
`18:21.13`	`Xinhuan`	`just add a securehook to the function that calls it`
`18:21.19`	`Xinhuan`	`and modify the display after blizzard's`
`18:21.21`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`god damn it`
`18:21.32`	`Xinhuan`	`sure it adds to processing time, but not much you can do about it`
`18:21.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`my mag raid should have started 21 minutes ago`
`18:21.42`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`invite was 51 minutes ago`
`18:21.43`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`-.-`
`18:21.45`	`NeoTron`	`<- misses his felguard`
`18:22.07`	`NeoTron`	`destro spec is mindless but man I die like a fly`
`18:22.28`	`Ellipsis`	`<--misses turning off sound at character, ugh`
`18:22.47`	`kenlyric`	`I always wondered what that would sound like.`
`18:22.58`	`kenlyric`	`so you hear the sound where your camera is?`
`18:23.05`	`Stanzilla`	`yeah`
`18:23.10`	`Stanzilla`	`pretty useful imo`
`18:23.20`	`NeoTron`	`We have a guy who names his character "Somethingdemus"`
`18:23.32`	`kenlyric`	`hear someone casting just behind your PoV?`
`18:23.38`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah kenlyric`
`18:23.40`	`Ellipsis`	`it's great`
`18:23.41`	`NeoTron`	`someone was being funny and made a character Emodemus due to him being all fake-emo about nto making a ZA raid`
`18:23.56`	`Ellipsis`	`you aren't stuck hearing whatever loud annoying stuff is going on right in front of your char`
`18:24.31`	`kenlyric`	`it occurs to me that I've been using the same saved variables since. 2.0.1... I reset would probably be good for me.`
`18:24.37`	`kenlyric`	`*a reset`
`18:25.23`	`Ellipsis`	`it's incredibly disorienting to go back to sound at character, too`
`18:25.31`	`kenlyric`	`i bet.`
`18:27.36`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: "detachedTooltip = {}" is an artifact of saving tablet settings, I believe.`
`18:28.22`	`kenlyric`	`it's just odd, because I know i've never touched that mod.`
`18:29.05`	`Fisker-`	`any standalone invite mod btw?`
`18:29.10`	`kenlyric`	`and if I could somehow live without all those informationless SVs, my backup to flash drive would probably go 25% faster :)`
`18:29.33`	`mjc`	`FARK.com: (3216306) Man provides DNA to tie his brother to a 1983 killing, then is arrested when sample links him to rape of 81-year old woman. "We have to assume he didn't expect this to happen"`
`18:29.50`	`Xinhuan`	`so how many informationless SVs do you really have?`
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`18:33.56`	`AlexanderB`	`is there an addon that changes the group interface?`
`18:34.07`	`AlexanderB`	`i dont want 4 players under my name and blocking 1/4 of the screen ^^`
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`18:34.20`	`AlexanderB`	`a little block with all names and hp/mana is enough for me ;)`
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`18:34.27`	`kenlyric`	`13 in SV, 3 in each char SV`
`18:34.27`	`Fisker-`	`how do i log tainting?`
`18:34.35`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`18:34.40`	`kenlyric`	`so less than I thought.`
`18:34.54`	`kenlyric`	`but also a bunch of mods throw information willy nilly between the two.`
`18:35.17`	`Kemayo`	`AlexanderB: There are many, many, many, many unitframe mods that will meddle with that.`
`18:35.37`	`_rane`	`who's the author of Aloft?`
`18:35.39`	`Kemayo`	`Fisker-: /console taintlog 1`
`18:35.40`	`kenlyric`	`I saw a giant grid the other day.`
`18:35.43`	`AlexanderB`	`hm.. an example?`
`18:36.11`	`Kemayo`	`AlexanderB: PitBull, ag_UnitFrames, Grid, X-Perl`
`18:36.16`	`AlexanderB`	`ok thx`
`18:36.47`	`_rane`	`i recommend Grid if you're not the healer`
`18:36.51`	`Kemayo`	`AlexanderB: You'll probably need to try a few before you find something exactly to your liking. Of the ones I listed, Grid is the smallest.`
`18:37.00`	`AlexanderB`	`ok`
`18:37.11`	`Kemayo`	`Hey, Grid is pretty awesome if you are the healer.`
`18:37.19`	`_rane`	`yes raids yes..`
`18:37.20`	`Aeyan`	`_rane, Roartindon`
`18:37.22`	`_rane`	`in*`
`18:37.42`	`Xuerian`	`AlexanderB: Grid with Grid Mana Bars fits your specifications`
`18:37.53`	`AlexanderB`	`yeah looking at it ;)`
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`18:38.22`	`kenlyric`	`Gridmanabars is delicious, but also tainty`
`18:38.28`	`Xuerian`	`If you're already using pitbull or AG, you can change your party frames to be smaller/simpler`
`18:38.39`	`AlexanderB`	`using blizzard crap ^^`
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`18:38.51`	`Xuerian`	`eew.`
`18:38.57`	`Ellipsis`	`you can make pitbull look identical to Grid, so it's really not fair to say Grid is smaller`
`18:38.59`	`_rane`	`i think Aloft started to behave weird after i updated it through WAU, any way to revert back?`
`18:39.04`	`Ellipsis`	`maybe by default, but who uses default settings?`
`18:39.26`	`Xuerian`	`_rane: Like cast bar frames appearing below the cast bar?`
`18:39.30`	`Erik\^`	`Ellipsis whats the memory usage like on pitbull confed as grid?`
`18:39.34`	`_rane`	`Xuerian: yes, exactly that`
`18:39.39`	`AlexanderB`	`is there grid and gridmaster?`
`18:39.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis`
`18:39.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`can you make pitbull look like x-perl tho? :P`
`18:39.50`	`Xuerian`	`AlexanderB: Grid is the base addon you need`
`18:39.53`	`Ellipsis`	`why would you want to?`
`18:39.53`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`because that would be totally awesome :P`
`18:39.55`	`AlexanderB`	`ok`
`18:39.59`	`Kemayo`	`Ellipsis: Well, I theorize that the person who said they still have Blizz unitframes uses the default settings. :D`
`18:40.09`	`Ellipsis`	`Erik\^: quite low actually, since you can disable almost all the modules`
`18:40.16`	`Xuerian`	`_rane: Haven't heard anything. I'm still wondering what it is`
`18:40.19`	`kenlyric`	`strange`
`18:40.25`	`kenlyric`	`WAU fails to load the mod list if you have no WTF folder`
`18:40.35`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm guessing Grid's will still be smaller though, particularly if you're one of those people who uses embedded libs and then compares performancefu numbers`
`18:40.35`	`AlexanderB`	`�h is grid for fubar rock-based?`
`18:40.50`	`Xuerian`	`kenlyric: If it's using addons.txt, there could be major problems...`
`18:40.51`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis: because i like the features of pitbull a lot, but i <3 the look of x-perl`
`18:40.57`	`Ellipsis`	`are you blind?`
`18:41.03`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`18:41.10`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`it's called personal preference`
`18:41.17`	`Ellipsis`	`if you really want something that looks like xperl, you can fake it with eepanels`
`18:41.18`	`buu`	`aestil: No you.`
`18:41.29`	`aestil`	`buu, what?`
`18:41.33`	`Ellipsis`	`the layout can be imitated almost perfectly though, I think`
`18:41.38`	`aestil`	`killed 4th boss last night`
`18:41.39`	`kenlyric`	`Xuerian: it doesn't give you an error. The addon list is just blank.`
`18:41.41`	`buu`	`aestil: =[`
`18:41.44`	`aestil`	`wiped on lol archimonde`
`18:41.48`	`kenlyric`	`and I didn't think it still used addons.txt`
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`18:41.50`	`buu`	`aestil: crater.`
`18:41.51`	`aestil`	`that guys a dick.`
`18:41.52`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i like the gradients and the roundness of x-perl`
`18:42.01`	`aestil`	`buu, crater?`
`18:42.06`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`it's more organic than the sharp edges of pitbull`
`18:42.09`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`18:42.10`	`Xuerian`	`kenlyric: that's just weird. o_0... I still raise issue with it searching immediately when a character is entered in the search box, instead of sanely waiting 100ms`
`18:42.15`	`buu`	`aestil: Did I mention we're totally going to be making vashj attempts this week?`
`18:42.22`	`buu`	`aestil: Well, barring holiday silliness.`
`18:42.27`	`aestil`	`buu, you said that, but i require that you kill leo first.`
`18:42.30`	`aestil`	`we are going to BT tommorow.`
`18:42.33`	`buu`	`aestil: Well, yeah, but he's easy.`
`18:42.35`	`kenlyric`	`s... wait 5 seconds, a. wait 5 seconds n... wait 5 seconds`
`18:42.38`	`aestil`	`he's not easy.`
`18:42.47`	`aestil`	`he is once you are good at it.`
`18:42.56`	`Mudkips`	`what?`
`18:42.58`	`aestil`	`but i can say that KT is easy since we one shot him now.`
`18:43.04`	`[AR]Camci`	`anyone know if there is a ventrilo version 2.1 for mac ?`
`18:43.06`	`aestil`	`i don't think most people think he's easy.`
`18:43.14`	`Xuerian`	`kenlyric: lol, exactly`
`18:43.18`	`aestil`	`learning leo will take you a night.`
`18:43.32`	`aestil`	`trash respawns in that room which cucks.`
`18:43.35`	`aestil`	`sucks.`
`18:43.39`	`aestil`	`not cucks. what is a cuck?`
`18:43.57`	`NeoTron`	`buu: have you killed Leotheras before?`
`18:44.00`	`[Ammo]`	`[AR]Camci: there is none`
`18:44.06`	`durcyn`	`aestil: hermaprhodite gentials.`
`18:44.07`	`AlexanderB`	`wtf where can i get grid?`
`18:44.09`	`Mudkips`	`[1/8] Slang word for stool; Yiddish origin . - "After eating a brisket sandwich i immediately had to cuck." "I told the doctor I had some blood in my cuck."`
`18:44.11`	`buu`	`NeoTron: No.`
`18:44.11`	`AlexanderB`	`the dl on wowi is bugged`
`18:44.15`	`[AR]Camci`	`[Ammo] Any idea where i can get it ?`
`18:44.18`	`NeoTron`	`buu: Then he is not easy`
`18:44.21`	`buu`	`NeoTron: Yes he is.`
`18:44.23`	`Mudkips`	`lol`
`18:44.24`	`kenlyric`	`r48203 is my oldest mod.`
`18:44.26`	`[AR]Camci`	`doesnt find any on google`
`18:44.29`	`[Ammo]`	`[AR]Camci: it does not exist`
`18:44.29`	`NeoTron`	`although the change to +heal to +dmg is a significant nerf to leo`
`18:44.34`	`[Ammo]`	`3.0 is your only bet`
`18:44.37`	`aestil`	`durcyn: good answer.`
`18:44.46`	`buu`	`NeoTron: As soon as the retards learn how to kill their shadows, we'll be done.`
`18:44.51`	`[AR]Camci`	`so there is no 2.1 for mac?`
`18:44.53`	`Ellipsis`	`there was a 2.3 client for mac, but who knows if that's even possible to find`
`18:44.53`	`durcyn`	`aestil: even better if i had managed to spell it correctly`
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`18:45.01`	`NeoTron`	`buu: so you alraedy mastered the last 15%?`
`18:45.06`	`[AR]Camci`	`i know there is one for 2.3 for max`
`18:45.09`	`[AR]Camci`	`mac`
`18:45.12`	`[AR]Camci`	`but i need 2.1 :P`
`18:45.16`	`Ellipsis`	`why?`
`18:45.16`	`NeoTron`	`the first 85% is the warmup. the real fight is in the last 15%`
`18:45.21`	`buu`	`NeoTron: You mean where you "tank" and do "dps"`
`18:45.21`	`aestil`	`durcyn: i forgave the spelling error since i can't spell.`
`18:45.23`	`Ellipsis`	`they're both compatible with 2.x vent servers`
`18:45.32`	`buu`	`Every boss is easy =[`
`18:45.44`	`aestil`	`buu, just don't go in telling everyone leo is easy. its not exactly true.`
`18:45.54`	`buu`	`aestil: Pssh.`
`18:45.58`	`aestil`	`buu, better to tell everyone to come prepared.`
`18:45.58`	`Mudkips`	`it's not easy`
`18:45.59`	`buu`	`aestil: It's wow. It's all easy.`
`18:46.02`	`Mudkips`	`it's very simple`
`18:46.02`	`NeoTron`	`he is, honestly, one of the hardest bosses to learn (for some)`
`18:46.06`	`Mudkips`	`2 phases ffs`
`18:46.08`	`buu`	`Wow is made entirely of retard checks.`
`18:46.14`	`aestil`	`buu, i think leo is the hardest boss in SSC prior to vashj.`
`18:46.17`	`NeoTron`	`it's easy to grasp but not necessaril easy to kill`
`18:46.22`	`buu`	`aestil: Pah.`
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`18:46.33`	`aestil`	`buu, the raiding in wow is several orders of complexity higher than any other game's end game raiding imo.`
`18:46.34`	`buu`	`We're going to destroy him.`
`18:46.41`	`aestil`	`NeoTron: like archimonde.`
`18:46.42`	`NeoTron`	`Archimonde is an extremely simple fight. it never changes, and you learn what it's about on your first attempt`
`18:46.46`	`buu`	`aestil: Yes, but compared to any other, like, real game..`
`18:46.47`	`kenlyric`	`anyone know if cooldowncount still ignores pet cooldowns?`
`18:46.53`	`NeoTron`	`aestil: like minds and all that`
`18:46.56`	`aestil`	`NeoTron: easiest concept in the world, which we failed to execute like 10 times.`
`18:47.06`	`kenlyric`	`the changelog shows no obvious reversion, so I'm assuming so.`
`18:47.14`	`Mudkips`	`NeoTron, don't die?`
`18:47.17`	`NeoTron`	`yoou only wiped 10 times on archimonde?`
`18:47.24`	`NeoTron`	`Mudkips: easier said than done, but yes, that is the whole trick`
`18:47.26`	`NeoTron`	`don't die.`
`18:47.27`	`aestil`	`NeoTron: after clearing first 4.`
`18:47.29`	`Mudkips`	`lol`
`18:47.32`	`Mudkips`	`grats all`
`18:47.43`	`Mudkips`	`once you master not dying on archimonde, you will win`
`18:47.44`	`Mudkips`	`100%`
`18:47.49`	`NeoTron`	`we've wiped 17 times on archimonde so far`
`18:47.51`	`aestil`	`thats what people tell us.`
`18:47.52`	`NeoTron`	`on our first time there`
`18:47.59`	`aestil`	`wipe recovery is hard.`
`18:48.04`	`aestil`	`have to run back basically.`
`18:48.05`	`aestil`	`sucks.`
`18:48.06`	`Mudkips`	`until the doomfires crawl up your bum and then successfully surround out with no way out`
`18:48.16`	`aestil`	`3g a wipe repair bill, wipes in 10 seconds... bah.`
`18:48.28`	`Mudkips`	`gold is hard in burning crusade`
`18:48.33`	`Mudkips`	`yes / no ?`
`18:48.39`	`Lukian`	`no`
`18:48.50`	`Xuerian`	`yes till you get epic mount`
`18:48.58`	`Xuerian`	`Well.. yes ish.`
`18:49.22`	`AlexanderB`	`hm the fucking blizzard group is still there?`
`18:49.26`	`AlexanderB`	`how can i remove it?`
`18:49.26`	`Lukian`	`If you are supportnig alts and don't have gathering professions, yes`
`18:49.32`	`Mudkips`	`interbutts is srs businaz`
`18:49.44`	`Mudkips`	`supporting alts?`
`18:49.49`	`Mudkips`	`that's not exactly a need`
`18:49.49`	`Xuerian`	`AlexanderB: I believe there's a small grid plug to hide the default interface`
`18:49.54`	`Lukian`	`buying them mounts / training`
`18:49.55`	`AlexanderB`	`hm ok`
`18:50.18`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`god damn it`
`18:50.19`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`mag full`
`18:50.23`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`stupid raid lead`
`18:50.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`overfills the raid`
`18:50.29`	`kenlyric`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/movies.html`
`18:50.31`	`Mudkips`	`if a player is that much of a " I dunno what you call it right now " to spend resources on alts when you dont have an epic mount yet`
`18:50.47`	`Mudkips`	`then someone needs to get priorities straight`
`18:51.02`	`Xuerian`	`"Dumbass" works pretty good`
`18:51.13`	`Ellipsis`	`the alts make the money for your main...not the other way around?`
`18:51.23`	`Lukian`	`my main has an epic mount, but it''s broke because i'm enjoying playing my alts atm :p`
`18:51.29`	`Lukian`	`dailies get boring`
`18:51.30`	`kenlyric`	`I want to roll a night elf mohawk`
`18:52.30`	`*** join/#wowace Kalman\| (n=delay@dhcp21.public.dc.umich.edu)`
`18:53.55`	`Lukian`	`I guess my other problem is I'm a hoarder I don't sell much`
`18:54.08`	`Xuerian`	`bahahaha`
`18:54.15`	`Xuerian`	`nelf mohawk ftw`
`18:54.25`	`*** part/#wowace mitchnull (n=mitchnul@dsl85-238-89-121.pool.tvnet.hu)`
`18:55.19`	`AlexanderB`	`hm dont find a plugin to hide my standard group`
`18:55.34`	`Ozguli`	`they're called Addons`
`18:55.54`	`kenlyric`	`I absolutely can't wait to see vern troyer's`
`18:56.23`	`kenlyric`	`I was expecting tauren, but shatner was a tauren`
`18:56.55`	`winkiller`	`WAU working for anyone?`
`18:57.59`	`AlexanderB`	`aeh sure ;D`
`18:58.00`	`AlexanderB`	`addon`
`18:58.09`	`NeoTron`	`sag_ich_nicht: have you ever lead a raid, trying to set up groups`
`18:58.09`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`wait`
`18:58.13`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`that is a lie`
`18:58.17`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`NeoTron yes`
`18:58.19`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`multiple times`
`18:58.22`	`Ellipsis`	`I thought I was your epic mount, sag_ich_nicht? :(`
`18:58.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`he's just dumb`
`18:58.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[19:58] * sag_ich_nicht doesn't have an epic mount`
`18:58.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[19:58] <sag_ich_nicht> wait`
`18:58.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i was just going to say that Ellipsis`
`18:58.40`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`NeoTron interrupted me`
`18:58.53`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`/glare NeoTron`
`18:59.06`	`Ellipsis`	`lol`
`18:59.11`	`Ellipsis`	`it's ok, you can still ride me`
`18:59.26`	`NeoTron`	`a 25-man raid? ;-)`
`18:59.32`	`CIA-8`	`03pericles * r55550 10MBB/ (MBB.lua MBB.toc):`
`18:59.32`	`CIA-8`	`MBB:`
`18:59.32`	`CIA-8`	`-Updated TOC for patch 2.3 and fixed version number to 0.52`
`18:59.55`	`NeoTron`	`and it's harder than you think to set up groups`
`19:00.02`	`Lukian`	`winkiller, yup`
`19:00.07`	`Xuerian`	`Kinky >.>`
`19:00.10`	`NeoTron`	`I'm trying to offload that particular task to another officer just to take the stress of my mind`
`19:00.18`	`winkiller`	`damn. worked yesterday, now it dies`
`19:00.18`	`Mudkips`	`5000g Ellipsis`
`19:00.19`	`Mudkips`	`?`
`19:00.31`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[19:59] <Ellipsis> it's ok, you can still ride me <--8D`
`19:00.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[19:59] <NeoTron> a 25-man raid? ;-) <--no, NeoTron.`
`19:00.48`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`40 man.`
`19:00.59`	`NeoTron`	`ah`
`19:01.06`	`NeoTron`	`40 man is a lot easier`
`19:01.17`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`...not. :P`
`19:01.18`	`Mudkips`	`I used to afk all the time`
`19:01.23`	`Mudkips`	`and eat in 40 mans`
`19:01.24`	`NeoTron`	`yes it is`
`19:01.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`maybe in MC and BWL :P`
`19:01.41`	`NeoTron`	`and aq40`
`19:01.45`	`NeoTron`	`maybe not in Naxx`
`19:01.48`	`NeoTron`	`or c'thun`
`19:01.55`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`you forgot twins`
`19:01.56`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`bitch`
`19:02.00`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`19:02.01`	`CIA-8`	`03pericles * r55551 10InventoryOnPar/ (4 files):`
`19:02.01`	`CIA-8`	`InventoryOnPar:`
`19:02.01`	`CIA-8`	`- Updated to version 7.60`
`19:02.01`	`CIA-8`	`added option to suppress chat output.`
`19:02.01`	`NeoTron`	`but seriously, it's more flexible when you have 15 healer spots`
`19:02.03`	`Mudkips`	`have you tried the ZA timed thingy`
`19:02.06`	`NeoTron`	`and so on`
`19:02.13`	`Mudkips`	`I hate timed events did I tell you that?`
`19:02.13`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Mudkips not have a ZA raid yet`
`19:02.14`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:(`
`19:02.19`	`NeoTron`	`Mudkips: yes`
`19:02.22`	`Mudkips`	`1 person steps away from the keyboard and GG you fail`
`19:02.24`	`NeoTron`	`done first two successfully`
`19:02.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`what, because you actually need SKILL to beat them Mudkips?`
`19:02.32`	`Obelixprim1`	`haven't stepped into ZA :(:(`
`19:02.34`	`Mudkips`	`1 mistake`
`19:02.37`	`Mudkips`	`and GG you fail`
`19:02.38`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`YEAH`
`19:02.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`well DON'T make them`
`19:02.44`	`NeoTron`	`last nigh, we wiped because someone accidently pulled the second to last trash and both tanks were on the same target`
`19:02.45`	`Mudkips`	`I hate timed events`
`19:02.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Mudkips guess what`
`19:02.54`	`CIA-8`	`03phyber * r55552 10FuBar_MoneyFu/Libs/:`
`19:02.54`	`CIA-8`	`FuBar_MoneyFu:`
`19:02.54`	`CIA-8`	`- Fix missing AceAddon-2.0 external. Well, that went unnoticed for quite a while...`
`19:02.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`NO EPICS FOR U`
`19:02.57`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`LERN2PLAY`
`19:03.03`	`Mudkips`	`D8`
`19:03.04`	`NeoTron`	`then during the boss fight a guy disconnected (DPS) and we ran out of time when we hwas at 2%`
`19:03.17`	`Mudkips`	`we got to the lynx boss`
`19:03.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`btw.`
`19:03.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Ellipsis`
`19:03.26`	`Mudkips`	`with 3 minutes on the trash in his room`
`19:03.27`	`Ellipsis`	`hi`
`19:03.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`you broke my heart`
`19:03.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:(`
`19:03.28`	`Mudkips`	`GG`
`19:03.29`	`NeoTron`	`isn't lynx the 4th boss?`
`19:03.32`	`Mudkips`	`yup`
`19:03.33`	`Ellipsis`	`what did I do this time?`
`19:03.37`	`Mudkips`	`we failed on his timer`
`19:03.42`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`you weren't here 8 hours ago`
`19:03.45`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:(`
`19:03.47`	`Erik\^`	`anyone know the ~~ memory usage of 1 eepanel ?:P`
`19:03.47`	`many`	`hah`
`19:03.47`	`jeramy`	`last night, some guild convinced me to come tank their KZ on my prot warrior`
`19:03.58`	`jeramy`	`and he out dps'd all of their guildies on Aran`
`19:04.03`	`CIA-8`	`03phyber * r55553 10FuBar_MoneyFu/embeds.xml:`
`19:04.03`	`CIA-8`	`FuBar_MoneyFu:`
`19:04.03`	`CIA-8`	`- Also load the AceAddon-2.0 in the embeds.xml`
`19:04.03`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`and i don't mean #wowace`
`19:04.10`	`Lukian`	`Erik\^, use a profiling addon`
`19:04.11`	`jeramy`	`im about to get off the 10 man circuit`
`19:04.15`	`Ellipsis`	`sag_ich_nicht: inorite`
`19:04.18`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm sorry, I was busy`
`19:04.22`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:(`
`19:04.24`	`Ellipsis`	`like, sleeping and stuff`
`19:04.33`	`Mudkips`	`notice how all the pvp videos you see use the basic of the basic of ui's?`
`19:04.36`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:(`
`19:04.38`	`NeoTron`	`jeramy: that is sad`
`19:04.40`	`jeramy`	`ZA is just kind of annoying with the kinds of things they always nerf after a month`
`19:04.47`	`Mudkips`	`default everything... except for maybe proximo and necb`
`19:05.09`	`NeoTron`	`jeramy: scouts`
`19:05.13`	`NeoTron`	`<3 scouts`
`19:05.16`	`jeramy`	`like fast repops of the scounts, that a "well duh, this isnt hard, just annoying, and blizzard always changes the repop rates on shit just like this"`
`19:05.21`	`Mudkips`	`jeramy, flame casters`
`19:06.20`	`jeramy`	`yeah, obvious nerfs/changes inc`
`19:07.04`	`jeramy`	`they had to leave ZA slightly challenging in an organizational/attentionspan way so the casuals perceive a challenge`
`19:07.14`	`kenlyric`	`I forget, do I keep automatic quest tracking on even if I have questfu?`
`19:07.26`	`Mudkips`	`nope`
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`19:07.35`	`Mudkips`	`work complete !`
`19:07.42`	`Mudkips`	`<3 that`
`19:07.52`	`Xuerian`	`Man... I hope other chat events get overhauled, not just combat`
`19:07.53`	`kenlyric`	`more work?`
`19:08.22`	`Mudkips`	`you have sounds turned on for questfu?`
`19:08.35`	`kenlyric`	`yes.`
`19:08.45`	`Mudkips`	`./o/`
`19:08.55`	`kenlyric`	`I'm fairly sure I was thhe one that pestered him to add progress sounds :)`
`19:11.59`	`NeoTron`	`so happy. tomorrow our druid MT returns from a 6 week long vacation`
`19:12.14`	`Gnarfoz`	Funkeh`: any idea what would make the BigWigs_VashjFFA module not work on deDE? from what I can see it seems language independent?
`19:12.40`	Funkeh`	`Gnarfoz, probably the yells in the deDE vashj module are not transalted`
`19:12.42`	`kenlyric`	`so funny. I can't make the fubar options window appear.`
`19:12.45`	Funkeh`	`it relies on the engage yells`
`19:13.30`	`Gnarfoz`	Funkeh`: so I'd best check for... either the strings or check with someone who is on deDE if he gets the "Entering Phase 1" message on engage?
`19:13.43`	Funkeh`	`yes`
`19:13.46`	`NeoTron`	`during her absense we've killed 10 new bosses`
`19:14.54`	`NeoTron`	`atually 16 if you include ZA :P`
`19:15.17`	`Gnarfoz`	Funkeh`: the engage_trigger content is irrelevant, right? the boss module just has to match one of the engage_trigger# variables against what she yells?
`19:15.27`	`Polarina`	`We also include Sunweel Plateau. :)`
`19:15.35`	Funkeh`	`yes`
`19:16.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`woot my brain seems to work fine for once ;-) I'll check with someone who is on deDE next time then, at least one is untranslated, another one is missing special characters. ^^`
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`19:17.00`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: It works better with auto tracking disabled, but you should be able to leave it on without problems.`
`19:18.58`	`AlexanderB`	`no one knows which addon can hide the normal group symbol?`
`19:20.00`	Funkeh`	`Anyone know the new name for alar meteor`
`19:20.05`	Funkeh`	`patch notes said dive bomb but not sure`
`19:20.06`	`phyber`	`Dive Bomb`
`19:20.10`	Funkeh`	`you sure?`
`19:20.23`	Funkeh`	`as in, been there and read the comabt log?`
`19:20.45`	`phyber`	`haven't raided in like a month, but I don't doubt the patch notes on it :)`
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`19:23.35`	`NeoTron`	`Wonder if Sunwell will require the death of Illidan`
`19:24.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`Mikk: lol @ carto_fishing fix ^^`
`19:25.07`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`chat sticky function`
`19:25.08`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`halp`
`19:25.28`	`kenlyric`	`hmmm... most of these automaton functions are done in game.`
`19:25.49`	`Kemayo`	`NeoTron: The death of Kael, probably.`
`19:25.58`	`Mudkips`	`probably`
`19:26.18`	`durcyn`	`but he's not dead, remember`
`19:26.26`	`Kemayo`	`Fine, the defeat of Kael. :P`
`19:27.20`	`NeoTron`	`that could be`
`19:27.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`blizz's content was never aware of itself... kill onyxia? she's still in stormwind's throne room... etc.`
`19:27.25`	`NeoTron`	`he is the hardest boss in the game after all`
`19:27.41`	`NeoTron`	`Gnarfoz: and how could it be, really?`
`19:27.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`NeoTron: it couldn't, that's what I'm saying`
`19:28.05`	`NeoTron`	`must be freaky to have your dragon-self head hanging in the town you're in as a humanoid though`
`19:28.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`so no, whatever happens in sunwell... you'll still be able to kill Kael in TK ^^`
`19:28.19`	`NeoTron`	`Whatever happens in Sunwell, stays in Sunwell`
`19:28.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`or... defeaet`
`19:28.28`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Yeah... I remember Automaton as doing dismounting at flightmasters, and gossip skipping, and those are both pointless now.`
`19:28.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah that came to mind just a second after I wrote that, too :D`
`19:28.31`	`Mudkips`	`lots of things don't make sense in the game neotron`
`19:28.41`	`Mudkips`	`like how druids can't root in coilfang`
`19:28.55`	`Mudkips`	`even though it's under the effing ground`
`19:28.56`	`NeoTron`	`Mudkips: I know. it doesn't concern me. Only think thatreally concerns me is the prospect of killing an aspect`
`19:28.57`	`kenlyric`	`it still autosells, joins bgs, and skips bop window`
`19:29.17`	`Mudkips`	`you see what I did there?`
`19:29.20`	`NeoTron`	`so I hope we don't actually kill the dargon, but makes him submit, escape or otherwise end the battle without death`
`19:29.25`	`Ellipsis`	`because there aren't 358207 addons to autosell`
`19:29.28`	`Mudkips`	`I used the opportunity to QQ about my class`
`19:29.31`	`kenlyric`	`and filters stuff you can't learn yet at the trainer.`
`19:29.37`	`NeoTron`	`I've complained about root since beta`
`19:29.42`	`NeoTron`	`when I first played a druid`
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`19:30.02`	`Mudkips`	`even mobs in /gasp botanica can root`
`19:30.08`	`Mudkips`	`a floating island in the sky`
`19:30.08`	`Kemayo`	`kenlyric: Filtering stuff you can't learn yet is build in, isn't it?`
`19:30.12`	`kenlyric`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:30.13`	`NeoTron`	`npcs always could`
`19:30.15`	`kenlyric`	`is it now?`
`19:30.16`	`NeoTron`	`good thing is, root works in ZA`
`19:30.24`	`NeoTron`	`and it's actually extremely useful on those damn scouts`
`19:30.25`	`Mudkips`	`it's an outdoor instance`
`19:30.27`	`Mudkips`	`of course!`
`19:30.29`	`Kuja^`	`who broke libperiodictable-3.1? :P`
`19:30.35`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah it is, kenlyric`
`19:30.37`	`Kemayo`	`I thought it had been since I started, two years ago.`
`19:30.41`	`Ellipsis`	`it's always been`
`19:30.51`	`Ellipsis`	`you just click the little dropdown thingie and uncheck "unavailable"`
`19:31.09`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, this does that for you.`
`19:31.10`	`Stanzilla`	`Kuja^: what's broken about it?`
`19:31.22`	`Ellipsis`	`kenlyric: but that setting is remembered...`
`19:31.30`	`kenlyric`	`for everything?`
`19:31.33`	`kenlyric`	`or per trainer?`
`19:31.38`	`Kemayo`	`The module resets it to that whenever you open the window.`
`19:31.53`	`Kuja^`	`Stanzilla: http://ace.pastey.net/77693`
`19:32.20`	`kenlyric`	`oh, let's not forget ding!`
`19:32.35`	`kenlyric`	`I suppose there's a pvp mod that does autoqueue and autorelease.`
`19:32.52`	`Kuja^`	`Stanzilla: happens when i open BM...`
`19:33.40`	`Stanzilla`	`Kuja^: blame hyperChipmunk :P`
`19:33.43`	`stavmar`	`did you see the william shatner and Mr T commercials, LOL!`
`19:33.47`	`Ellipsis`	`that's amusing`
`19:33.51`	`Ellipsis`	`an error trying to throw an error`
`19:34.05`	`Kuja^`	`Ellipsis: yeah :P`
`19:34.38`	`stavmar`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/movies.html`
`19:34.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`mh`
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`19:35.03`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v KarlThePagan] by ChanServ`
`19:35.04`	`Kuja^`	`Stanzilla: tbh, why should i? BM got no update that would had broken it`
`19:35.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`can strings like boss yells somehow be extracted from wow's data files?`
`19:35.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`stavmar: oh em gee`
`19:35.56`	`Stanzilla`	`Kuja^: dunno, it's working here and the PT updates were not done by some lame chinese or korean :p`
`19:36.03`	`many`	`strings datafiles`
`19:36.06`	`Kuja^`	`haha`
`19:36.22`	`durcyn`	`yeah, run strings four gigabytes of compressed archives...`
`19:37.01`	`many`	`strings doesnt care 'bout four gig. compressed is a con, though`
`19:37.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`indeed`
`19:37.41`	`durcyn`	`could probably dump the MPQs easily enough and grep through that, though`
`19:37.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`guess I'll have to browse some mpqs then :<`
`19:37.56`	`durcyn`	`mpqeditor.exe whee.`
`19:37.59`	`many`	`dunno. how are they compressed?`
`19:38.21`	`durcyn`	`MPQ, some proprietary shit`
`19:38.33`	`many`	`ah, hm`
`19:39.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's quite well known, format hasn't changed really since starcraft began using it or whatever`
`19:39.25`	ag`	`diablo 1 :D`
`19:39.36`	`many`	`is there some easy way to have per account or char addons? i mean without using that addons button and configuring them per char`
`19:39.43`	ag`	`maybe even warcraft 2?`
`19:41.11`	`_rane`	`god, my esc won't suddenly open game menu any more, any idea what's wrong?`
`19:41.24`	`_rane`	`esc has been bound to the function`
`19:41.24`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`GOD DAMN IT`
`19:41.39`	`Xinhuan`	`rofl`
`19:41.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`the quality of this casablanca remaster DVD is fucking impressive`
`19:41.46`	`Lukian`	`_rane, ya know, I've been having that issue intermittently too, does it work when you first login out of interest?`
`19:42.01`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`the picture quality is damn good`
`19:42.01`	`AlexanderB`	`does somebody knows an addon that will hide the group?`
`19:42.45`	`_rane`	`Lukian: you mean relog?`
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`19:43.05`	`Lukian`	`_rane, no the escape issue`
`19:43.12`	`Lukian`	`AlexanderB, any good unitframe addon will let you`
`19:43.19`	`AlexanderB`	`hm ok`
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`19:43.36`	`AlexanderB`	`u know an addon?`
`19:43.37`	`*** join/#wowace silentium (i=silentiu@dslb-088-064-183-180.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`19:43.55`	`Lukian`	`I use agUnitFrames`
`19:44.05`	`Glorian`	`i am using pitbull`
`19:44.10`	`_rane`	`Lukian: i relogged and it seems to have fixed the issue.. for the moment`
`19:44.10`	`Glorian`	`both are good`
`19:44.23`	`Glorian`	`Perl unit frames is good too`
`19:44.26`	`Glorian`	`but not aced :)`
`19:44.27`	`AlexanderB`	`which works good with Fubar?`
`19:44.36`	`Lukian`	`_rane, I'm guessing it's an addon updated since the last patch which is interfering with it`
`19:44.52`	`Lukian`	`Glorian, pitbull is a bit of overkill just for hiding party :p`
`19:45.15`	`Glorian`	`Okay i confess :)`
`19:45.24`	`Glorian`	`ag unit frames is fine for your needs :)`
`19:45.28`	`Lukian`	`AlexanderB, most have configuration available via fubar`
`19:45.44`	`AlexanderB`	`ah ok`
`19:45.59`	`Lukian`	hey ag` ? What's the chances of an energy ticker for agUF? :)
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`19:46.36`	`Mikk`	`there's plenty of mods that'll do an energy ticker better than unitframe addons imo`
`19:46.38`	`Glorian`	`Lukian do you play a rogue?`
`19:46.42`	`Chompers`	`any news on atlas?`
`19:46.49`	`Lukian`	`Glorian, my housemate does, I play a druid`
`19:46.55`	`Chompers`	`wasn't it meant to be out by now`
`19:47.10`	ag`	`Dunno, the version I am working on is modular, which means someone could write a ticker when it's done, but I don't have a rogue so...`
`19:47.11`	`Lukian`	`Mikk, icehud does it fine for me, but it'd be sexy to have it in agUF for my housemate ^^`
`19:47.11`	`Glorian`	`i am using RogueFocus for the Energy Tick combo point stuff`
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`19:47.23`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`hey Ellipsis`
`19:47.32`	`Ellipsis`	`hey sag_ich_nicht`
`19:47.39`	`Glorian`	`Lukian: loads only on Rogues`
`19:47.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`wanna watch this awesome casablanca remaster rip DVD with me? 8D`
`19:47.45`	`Ellipsis`	`um ok`
`19:47.47`	`AlexanderB`	`hm added ag_unitframe`
`19:47.55`	`AlexanderB`	`but know bartender3 only shows me 1x actionbar oO?`
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`19:47.57`	`Lukian`	`Glorian, they don't like excessive addodns ;)`
`19:48.04`	`Mudkips`	`sag_ich_nicht does it have motion blur?`
`19:48.30`	`aestil`	ag`: sounds exciting. modular UF'S :)
`19:48.43`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Mudkips what`
`19:49.03`	`Mudkips`	`moe-cion-blurrrr`
`19:49.12`	`Lukian`	ag`, perhaps check out in the one in icehud sometime, it should be pretty simple
`19:49.22`	ag`	`ok`
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`19:51.02`	`CIA-8`	`03scorpio0920 * r55554 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2.lua:`
`19:51.02`	`CIA-8`	`Babble-2.2:`
`19:51.02`	`CIA-8`	`-Boss: Update zhTW translation.`
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`19:52.03`	`Hjalte`	`How do you guys take the Eagle boss? We have huge problems with the birds killing people.`
`19:52.14`	`poxk`	`get better healers`
`19:52.45`	`Mudkips`	`birds?`
`19:52.53`	`Mudkips`	`huh?`
`19:52.59`	`Xinhuan`	`we have people spread out in a soccer formation, like 3-4-3 (melee-ranged-healers)`
`19:53.02`	`Xinhuan`	`and ignore the birds`
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`19:53.04`	`poxk`	`that the one with the big storm?`
`19:53.08`	`Xuerian`	`aestil: Do you have problems with Skillet's queue function?`
`19:53.17`	`Mudkips`	`ah yes the eagle boss`
`19:53.18`	`Mudkips`	`hes easy`
`19:53.21`	`Xinhuan`	`the birds get killed when`
`19:53.27`	`poxk`	`they only hit for 1.3k ish`
`19:53.31`	`poxk`	`easy to heal, and 2 dots kill them`
`19:53.40`	`poxk`	`or some aoe`
`19:53.42`	`Xinhuan`	`people use attacks such as whirlwind, chain lightning, flamestrike, blade flurry, etc, on the boss`
`19:53.47`	`Xinhuan`	`and generally, we just leave the birds alone`
`19:53.52`	`Xinhuan`	`other than for those attacks`
`19:54.00`	`aestil`	`Xuerian: i don't use it. but no, i havn't.`
`19:54.00`	`Mudkips`	`we just assign one range dps on birds`
`19:54.01`	`Xinhuan`	`and they die eventually with seed of corruption on the boss as well`
`19:54.05`	`Mudkips`	`works fine`
`19:54.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`warlock & priest dots on the birds`
`19:54.21`	`CIA-8`	`03nevcairiel 07Beta * r55555 10Ace3/docs/AceDB-3.0.txt:`
`19:54.21`	`CIA-8`	`Ace3 - docs`
`19:54.21`	`CIA-8`	`- touch DB doc`
`19:54.23`	`Xuerian`	`Hm.. Wonder if the Skillet author is ever on irc`
`19:54.24`	`Xinhuan`	`we simply have 0 dps on the birds, and let aoe-type attacks kill them as time goes by`
`19:54.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`SoC is meh... it doesn't have enough range`
`19:54.32`	`aestil`	`that mod has alot of development`
`19:54.35`	`aestil`	`just post in the thread`
`19:54.35`	`Xinhuan`	`Xuerian: he does, i chat with him a bit`
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`19:54.42`	`Xuerian`	`What's his irc name?`
`19:54.49`	`Xinhuan`	`same as his svn nick`
`19:54.58`	`Xuerian`	`nogudnik? 0.o`
`19:55.00`	`Xinhuan`	`yep`
`19:55.04`	`Xuerian`	`hm`
`19:55.08`	`Xinhuan`	`~seen nogudnik`
`19:55.33`	`purl`	`nogudnik <n=nogudnik@mail.exiter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 16d 1m 29s ago, saying: 'RaydenUni: right, I do this all the time with patches'.`
`19:55.33`	`Xinhuan`	`when a storm occurs, everyone then runs under it`
`19:55.34`	`Xinhuan`	`pretty simple`
`19:55.36`	`sb`	`is akama event still bugged?`
`19:55.46`	`sb`	`(no banish, direct damage on akama)`
`19:55.55`	`Xinhuan`	`not sure sb`
`19:55.57`	`Chompers`	`with the storm, should people converge on the tank 3 seconds before it`
`19:56.07`	`Xinhuan`	`Chompers: no`
`19:56.12`	`Chompers`	`or should everyone stand still and run towards it`
`19:56.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`that's what we do`
`19:56.22`	`Chompers`	`stand still, then run towards it`
`19:56.26`	`Xinhuan`	`everyone should just stand still, wait for the storm, then run to it when you see it`
`19:56.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`if anyone is too slow they will die`
`19:56.43`	`Xinhuan`	`but it isn't bad to "move closer" to each other`
`19:56.43`	`Mudkips`	`we had a shaman die twice to it`
`19:56.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`it's much easier to just run to the tank`
`19:56.51`	`Xinhuan`	`just before an expected storm`
`19:56.54`	`Mudkips`	`because he had the reaction time of an 80 yr old`
`19:57.07`	`Xinhuan`	`well if you have someone with slow reactins, put him near the middle of the raid`
`19:57.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`was he ... 80?`
`19:57.16`	`Mudkips`	`I dunno`
`19:57.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`;)`
`19:57.22`	`Xinhuan`	`for eg, in the 3-4-3 soccer formation, have him in the middle of the "4"`
`19:57.41`	`Mudkips`	`we just give him shit about it`
`19:57.48`	`Mudkips`	`etc etc l2p`
`19:57.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`i know someone who plays on a satellite modem`
`19:57.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`1s ping`
`19:58.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`but anyways`
`19:58.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`dragonhawk fight... uuuuuuu fun`
`19:58.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`it will drive your raid leader crazy`
`19:59.01`	`poxk`	`thats a fun one`
`19:59.09`	`Xinhuan`	`1-shot him everytime ;p`
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`19:59.25`	`Xinhuan`	`pally tank - first hatcher breaks half the eggs (that's all of them on one side)`
`19:59.29`	`Xinhuan`	`aoe down`
`19:59.32`	`Xinhuan`	`he DSes`
`19:59.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`sounds like you're overgeared`
`19:59.40`	`Xinhuan`	`next hatcher wave - breaks all eggs on the other side`
`19:59.44`	`Xinhuan`	`/chuckle`
`19:59.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`we do 10 eggs at a time`
`19:59.55`	`Xinhuan`	`then kill the boss`
`20:00.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea after all eggs gone it's easy`
`20:00.17`	`Xinhuan`	`if you don't have a pally tank, then you have to do the eggs 7 at a time`
`20:00.20`	`Xinhuan`	`1+2+4 = 7`
`20:00.28`	`Xinhuan`	`they break 1, then 2, then 4, etc`
`20:00.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`and we're right at the beginning of the SSC curve gear wise`
`20:00.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`must be 7 then`
`20:00.49`	`Mudkips`	`ya pally tank would own that fight`
`20:00.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`unless it's 1+2+3+4`
`20:01.00`	`Mudkips`	`good thing we dont use them`
`20:01.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`that's 10`
`20:01.04`	`Mudkips`	`muahaha`
`20:01.13`	`Xinhuan`	`just assign 1 person to kill one hatcher, he lets the 2nd one live until the he completes the 3rd break`
`20:01.20`	`Xinhuan`	`everyone else should just focus on boss`
`20:01.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`we finished the fight`
`20:01.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`after the eggs... it's easy`
`20:02.45`	`Lukian`	`maybe I should attempt to do some lua scripting by fixing deucelog`
`20:03.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`Lukian, if I were making deucelog wishes... it would be PvPLog compatibility`
`20:03.50`	`Lukian`	`mm what's that do? :)`
`20:03.54`	`Lukian`	`Guess I'll have a look`
`20:04.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`compatible with the rpgo-CharacterProfiler/GuildProfiler server-side modules`
`20:04.33`	`Kalroth`	`We did that boss without any aoe classes, we let the first hatcher break all eggs on one side. Then with hunter trap, they came slowly in like 2-4 at a time. By the time the first explosion came, we had cleared all the eggs on one side :)`
`20:04.48`	`Lukian`	`mostly I just want to fix it to record your kills (currently only does enemy kills) and an option to disable it in arenas/battlegrounds`
`20:04.56`	`Lukian`	`so you can use it exclusively for world pvp`
`20:05.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh yes... please`
`20:05.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`touristlib etc`
`20:05.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'm sorta liking the idea of optional embeds to extend functionality`
`20:05.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`i.e. if touristlib is there, ignore in battleground/arena`
`20:05.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`if not... meh`
`20:06.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`but I was playing with deuce a while ago, but got distracted`
`20:06.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`making pvp kill/death events`
`20:07.16`	`KarlThePagan`	`also sorta was playing with the compat participation logic, to detect 3v1 situations etc`
`20:07.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`as usual I made it too complex`
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`20:09.28`	`Lukian`	`hehe`
`20:11.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`the reason i was going to events is so the pvplog stuff would be a separate mod`
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`20:14.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh hell yes`
`20:14.45`	`KarlThePagan`	`nvidia 8800M released`
`20:14.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`bah "preview"`
`20:16.44`	`Mudkips`	`bah no money`
`20:17.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`what`
`20:17.48`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`what is the M`
`20:17.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`mobile`
`20:17.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`is it better or worse than the GTX`
`20:17.55`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`oh`
`20:17.56`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`mobile`
`20:17.57`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`fail`
`20:18.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`get out of your basement`
`20:18.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`;)`
`20:18.34`	`Mudkips`	`( sag_ich_nicht ) mobile`
`20:18.34`	`Mudkips`	`( sag_ich_nicht ) fail`
`20:18.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ill get out of YOUR basement.'`
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`20:19.38`	`Ellipsis`	`WTB you guys in my basement`
`20:19.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`no, you wouldn't`
`20:19.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`20:20.11`	`Mudkips`	`it's a trap`
`20:20.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah, totally a trap.`
`20:20.20`	`Mudkips`	`u gonna get raepd`
`20:20.31`	`Ellipsis`	`no, see, I don't have a basement`
`20:20.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... that's why it's a trap.`
`20:20.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you're going to bury us under your house!`
`20:20.46`	`Ellipsis`	`apartment*`
`20:20.47`	`Mudkips`	`next thing you knkow`
`20:20.49`	`Ellipsis`	`it's a tarp!`
`20:20.53`	`Keias`	`Then I'll hide in your closet`
`20:20.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`random residential building*`
`20:20.57`	`Mudkips`	`Ellipsis is inviting us for a cake party`
`20:20.58`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[21:19] <Ellipsis> WTB you guys in my basement <--i'd rather have you locked up in mine`
`20:20.59`	`Keias`	`or under your bed`
`20:21.00`	`Mudkips`	`p_p`
`20:21.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the cake is a lie?`
`20:21.11`	`Ellipsis`	`sag_ich_nicht: you has a dungeon? :o`
`20:21.15`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`20:21.16`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:(`
`20:21.18`	`Ellipsis`	`oh :(`
`20:21.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I have a dungeon.`
`20:21.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well.. "cell", really. i mean, it's just one room.`
`20:21.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`maybe in D&D, nighthawk.`
`20:21.40`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`20:21.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and it could really only fit one or two people in it`
`20:21.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`maybe three if you squished them in`
`20:22.00`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but it has a lock! and wire mesh walls!`
`20:22.08`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`meh`
`20:22.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`four people could probably fit, if keeping their parts in the right order wasn't an issue`
`20:22.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i have a house and an apartment`
`20:22.32`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`both owned`
`20:22.34`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:X`
`20:22.52`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i want to move into the apartment but it's rented out to some students atm`
`20:23.30`	`Aeyan`	`I believe in the cake.`
`20:24.42`	`CIA-8`	`03ag 07Ace3 * r55556 10ag_UnitFrames/layouts/ABF.lua: ag_UnitFrames: cleaned up default layout`
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`20:25.17`	`Zypher	`http://blizzplanet.com/?action=news&id=1858`
`20:26.21`	`Tinyboom`	`ok, is it just me that's having the annoying bg bug with pitbull...? (party frames don't hide in bg's. but work fine in normal raids...)`
`20:28.54`	`CIA-8`	`03ag 07Ace3 * r55557 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: ag_UnitFrames: defaults tweak tweak`
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`20:30.26`	`kenlyric`	`bartender needs a background option.`
`20:30.40`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i want sprocket back`
`20:30.45`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`lunasphere isn't cutting it`
`20:30.46`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`at all`
`20:30.58`	`Paene`	`Anyone know if they're planning on giving mobs unique ID's in 2.4?`
`20:31.05`	`Chompers`	`yes.`
`20:31.11`	`Tinyboom`	`sag_ich_nicht: mage or generic?`
`20:31.25`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`generic`
`20:31.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`sprocket was generic, too`
`20:31.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`wtb someone to rewrite sprocket`
`20:31.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:(`
`20:31.42`	`Paene`	`Cryo2 for mages imo :)`
`20:31.49`	`Tinyboom`	`ahh, then nvm :p not using others since Paene started coding Cryo2 ;)`
`20:32.21`	`Paene`	`trying to figure out how I want to track debuffs...API or combat log parsing`
`20:32.26`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`fuck cryo2, i liked arcanum for mages, but that's not the point, i want my sprocket for my paladin back :(`
`20:32.45`	`Paene`	`I have a paladin friend who uses Holyhope`
`20:32.52`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`20:32.54`	`Paene`	`not sure if it's what you're looking for or not`
`20:32.57`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`holyhope != sprocket functionality`
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`20:33.13`	`Paene`	`Sphere?`
`20:33.16`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5371-Sprocket.html`
`20:33.18`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`mhm`
`20:33.19`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`link?`
`20:33.42`	`Tinyboom`	`Paene: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=8561CAE1D0D8D83A058C6D6DF534D0E5?topicId=2968233433&pageNo=1&sid=1#9 not sure if it's what you are looking for, or if you have already seen it... :)`
`20:34.11`	`RaydenUni`	`that sprocket thing is cool`
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`20:34.23`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`too bad it doesn't work anymore, RaydenUni :P`
`20:34.28`	`RaydenUni`	`no?`
`20:34.29`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`needs to be rewriten from the ground up`
`20:34.32`	`RaydenUni`	`bummer`
`20:34.41`	`RaydenUni`	`but menus like that are cool`
`20:34.50`	`RaydenUni`	`they can be really fast`
`20:35.11`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`there was some paging support from sprocket from somewhere`
`20:35.15`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`can't remember from where`
`20:35.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`*for sprocket`
`20:35.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`so you could bind the 8 buttons to 1-8`
`20:36.17`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`and use paging to switch between different sprockets, using 1-8 too`
`20:36.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`bind ^ to a main menu`
`20:36.42`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`have 1-8 there link 8 others`
`20:36.55`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`-->awesome hybrid controls`
`20:37.22`	`durcyn`	`yeah, sprocket was pure sex`
`20:38.17`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`hell, you didn't even need an extra bind`
`20:38.28`	`Paene`	`wow`
`20:38.32`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`you could just make 1 go back to the main menu on each sprocket`
`20:38.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:/`
`20:38.36`	`Paene`	`I might wait until 2.4 for debuff timers lol`
`20:39.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`sag_ich_nicht: i hate you for reminding me how disgustingly awesome sprocket was.`
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`20:41.02`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`look`
`20:41.09`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i am just as angry about this whole thing as you are`
`20:41.57`	`sb`	`mh wtf`
`20:42.12`	`sb`	`najentus + supremus down, trash!?!?`
`20:42.58`	`*** join/#wowace Arzach-DB-EU (n=Arzach__@85-18-66-24.ip.fastwebnet.it)`
`20:44.01`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`but there is a whole securestateheader just for pie menus`
`20:44.02`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`so`
`20:44.09`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`just go into securetemplates.lua`
`20:44.13`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`search for SecurePieButton`
`20:44.17`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`and go make me a sprocket`
`20:44.18`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:(`
`20:44.54`	`Mudkips`	`so I was just in the eu-druids channel`
`20:45.07`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`what eu druids channel`
`20:45.08`	`*** join/#wowace Mech0z (i=Mech0z@d40ae5ca.rev.stofanet.dk)`
`20:45.18`	`Mudkips`	`and pissed of op who takes the game waaay too seriously`
`20:45.27`	`Azurewrath`	`Illidari Council down \o/`
`20:45.29`	`Mudkips`	`can't expect less than that`
`20:45.42`	`Mudkips`	`something about paladins and 5's arena`
`20:45.45`	`sb`	`Azurewrath: is akama already fixed?`
`20:45.50`	`sb`	`banish thing`
`20:45.52`	`Mudkips`	`funny as hell the guy threw a fit`
`20:46.03`	`Mudkips`	`and started powertrip on his op`
`20:46.32`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`tell me`
`20:46.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`the channel already`
`20:46.37`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`you soab`
`20:47.06`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Azurewrath: gratsa`
`20:47.07`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`-a`
`20:47.23`	`Mudkips`	`it's the europe druid chan`
`20:47.29`	`Mudkips`	`in quakenet`
`20:47.31`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`now kill the fucker`
`20:47.34`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`...`
`20:47.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Mudkips`
`20:47.36`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`channels`
`20:47.38`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`start with a #`
`20:47.39`	`Mudkips`	`it's filled with dutch people`
`20:47.39`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`now`
`20:47.43`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`tell me the channel name`
`20:47.44`	`Mudkips`	`#eu-druids`
`20:47.46`	`Mudkips`	`godammit!`
`20:47.51`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`thanks.`
`20:47.52`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`20:48.00`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`probably only idiots there`
`20:48.04`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`it's quakenet afterall :P`
`20:48.04`	`Fisker-`	`oh u Chompers`
`20:48.06`	`Fisker-`	`OH U`
`20:48.12`	`Mudkips`	`pretty much`
`20:48.19`	`Mudkips`	`when they aren't whining about pve`
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`20:49.38`	`Fisker-`	`CHOMPERS >:I`
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`20:52.34`	`Fisker-`	`i kiss your lips Chompers`
`20:53.03`	`Mudkips`	`u gay mang?`
`20:53.03`	`Azurewrath`	`sb: dunno, we didn't pull Illidan.. yet`
`20:53.08`	`Mudkips`	`or italian?`
`20:53.17`	`sb`	`azu: mh not illidan, shade of akama :)`
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`20:53.23`	`sb`	`banish bug`
`20:53.30`	`Arzach-DB-EU`	`heya, anyone expert with snv ? GarbageFu is in a quite "strange" state`
`20:53.42`	`Azurewrath`	`sb: ah.. he wasn't bugged for us.. don't know if its completely fixed`
`20:53.44`	`Chompers`	`oh my Fisker-`
`20:53.47`	`Chompers`	`kiss me again`
`20:53.51`	`Chompers`	`below the belt this time`
`20:53.59`	`Ellipsis`	`Fisker- why do you always kiss them and not me`
`20:54.02`	`Ellipsis`	`do you hate me?`
`20:54.04`	`Azurewrath`	`but you know.. Akama is no Boss, it's a Story Event after which you get 2-4 Void Crystals :p`
`20:54.06`	`Fisker-`	`because you fail :(I`
`20:54.09`	`Fisker-`	`Chompers`
`20:54.10`	`Fisker-`	`:<`
`20:54.12`	`Chompers`	`:<`
`20:54.14`	`Chompers`	`sad panda`
`20:54.27`	`sb`	`Azurewrath: ;o`
`20:54.28`	`CIA-8`	`03gagorian * r55558 10DrDamage/Caster.lua:`
`20:54.28`	`CIA-8`	`DrDamage:`
`20:54.28`	`CIA-8`	`- Fixed tick count while using spell haste with dot type spells with cast time (drain soul)`
`20:54.32`	`Fisker-`	`leotheras keeps tripping us with his fucking blind-stick`
`20:54.40`	`Fisker-`	`5% or so again`
`20:54.44`	`Chompers`	`aah fuck`
`20:54.45`	`Mudkips`	`LOL`
`20:54.48`	`Chompers`	`we found an amazing trick to leo`
`20:54.57`	`Mudkips`	`Fisker-, happens to lots of guilds`
`20:55.03`	`Fisker-`	`had major problems healing the warlock because we lost the felhunter and a paladin to damage`
`20:55.07`	`Chompers`	`wait for demon phase when you're at about 20%, then nuke as hard as you can`
`20:55.21`	`Fisker-`	`wryyyyyyy?`
`20:55.23`	`Chompers`	`when he does his little split thing, it gives you about 10 seconds to nuke him even harder`
`20:55.31`	`Azurewrath`	`Fisker-: tell your DDs to just do the same in the 15% phase as in the 85% before and he dies...`
`20:55.34`	`Fisker-`	`he's untargetable during that`
`20:55.46`	`Chompers`	`still takes damage`
`20:55.46`	`Mudkips`	`nuh uh`
`20:56.02`	`Chompers`	`we got about 10% off him during that`
`20:56.31`	`Fisker-`	`makes no sense`
`20:56.32`	`Mudkips`	`good chunk of HP can be taken off on the pause before he goes apeshit`
`20:56.35`	`Fisker-`	`we can't target him during that`
`20:56.57`	`Mudkips`	`did the change the fight?`
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`20:57.06`	`Chompers`	`oh, DI the warlock tank`
`20:57.19`	`Mudkips`	`because you should be able to do damage to leo all the time`
`20:57.20`	`Chompers`	`so it removes his debuffs, he can tick it off`
`20:57.29`	`Mudkips`	`unless you weren't supposed to during phase changes`
`20:57.52`	`Chompers`	`oh course DI is a desperate thing to do`
`20:58.05`	`Fisker-`	`he loses the debuffs to DI or loses them after a while?`
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`20:58.28`	`Chompers`	`it takes too long for him to loose them normally`
`20:58.34`	`kaiden`	`Anyone know how with Assessment to get the Threat portion to NOT show the Threat Per Second?`
`20:58.35`	`Chompers`	`di is instant removal`
`20:58.50`	`Chompers`	`that's if he's got way too many debuffs`
`20:59.54`	`NeoTron`	`specifically Pain Suppression but specced to DPS, not heal (PS priest give up a lot of healing)`
`21:00.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`Chompers: won't DI kind of... take away his aggro, too?`
`21:00.57`	`Chompers`	`sure will`
`21:01.04`	`Chompers`	`it's really desperate`
`21:01.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`what good is it then? :<`
`21:01.11`	`alext`	`one key is to make sure at 20% when you roll him over that your lock tank has the debuff off him`
`21:01.20`	`alext`	`we wiped at 5% all day one time`
`21:01.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, felhunter? our warlock tank isn't demo specced that deep ^^`
`21:01.26`	`Arzach-DB-EU`	`heya, anyone expert with snv ? GarbageFu is in a quite "strange" state`
`21:01.29`	`alext`	`DPS just got too excited and would fuck up after 15%`
`21:01.40`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker-: you can target and DPS leotheras doing his speech if he does it from demon form`
`21:01.42`	`kaiden`	`Gnarfoz, fel hunter is the lvl 30 pet..`
`21:01.45`	`kaiden`	`no need for spec'ing it`
`21:01.46`	`NeoTron`	`doesn't everyone know that?`
`21:01.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`kaiden: d'uh...`
`21:02.00`	`Chompers`	`you're using shaman totems to pull him back right Fisker-?`
`21:02.10`	`grzesieq__`	`Fisker-: use 2 locks`
`21:02.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`he was talking about the fel hunter, because if you're specced demo deep enough, you'll gain resistance with felhunter out.`
`21:02.22`	`kaiden`	`ah`
`21:02.22`	`Fisker-`	`oh u grzesieq`
`21:02.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`like... fire resistance :>`
`21:02.32`	`Fisker-`	`that's pretty fucking lame NeoTron`
`21:03.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`Chompers: I still wonder why that works so good ;D`
`21:03.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`*so well`
`21:03.15`	`NeoTron`	`the drawback is if you do it that way you often have a significant chunk of debuffs on the lock tank to begin with`
`21:03.41`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`21:03.45`	`Fisker-`	`but DI`
`21:03.49`	`NeoTron`	`right`
`21:03.57`	`NeoTron`	`I've survived 22.5k hits`
`21:04.03`	`Chompers`	`our lock tank was doing over 1000tps`
`21:04.05`	`NeoTron`	`but after that I always die (demo spec)`
`21:04.09`	`Chompers`	`so it didn't take long to get it back`
`21:04.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`using a ss'd paladin?`
`21:04.13`	`Fisker-`	`wtf?`
`21:04.18`	`Fisker-`	`22k?`
`21:04.20`	`NeoTron`	`yeah`
`21:04.21`	`Chompers`	`as it's not like anyone is hitting it`
`21:04.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`soul link helps`
`21:04.27`	`Fisker-`	`our warlock only has like 17k`
`21:04.28`	`Fisker-`	`hp`
`21:04.29`	`NeoTron`	`I have close to 18k HP`
`21:04.37`	`NeoTron`	`plus 20% split to the demon`
`21:04.47`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: ping?`
`21:05.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`still, if the entire point of this is to be able to DPS leotheras while he's normally untargetable... doesn't that mess up the tanking?`
`21:05.15`	`NeoTron`	`when I'm specced for soul link that is`
`21:05.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`(well, you just said it was no problem, but I can't really see how)`
`21:05.22`	`NeoTron`	`Gnarfoz: no?`
`21:05.37`	`NeoTron`	`he resets aggro after the split. the problem is if ppl dps for too long`
`21:05.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`ah`
`21:05.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`right`
`21:05.51`	`Chompers`	`make sure everyone runs to the wall a few seconds before he whirlwinds`
`21:05.54`	`Chompers`	`espically rogues`
`21:05.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`so he basically stays in demon form longer than usual?`
`21:05.57`	`Chompers`	`fucking rogues`
`21:06.13`	`Fisker-`	`need to tell blizzard to nerf the encounter post-15% :P`
`21:06.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`like Azurewrath said: do what you did before, and he dies.`
`21:06.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`21:07.09`	`CIA-8`	`03dfscott * r55559 10AzuarcLevelGuide/AzuarcLevelGuide.lua:`
`21:07.09`	`CIA-8`	`AzuarcLevelGuide: (DRY CODED)`
`21:07.09`	`CIA-8`	`- Ensure LastPage/Chapter vars are numeric before performing math`
`21:07.09`	`NeoTron`	`But as buu said, Leotheras is EASY...`
`21:07.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`last 15% is exactly the same, except for the healers and one spot to avoid if you're running from his whirlwind: the spot where the demon tank is`
`21:07.10`	`NeoTron`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:07.10`	`NeoTron`	`it's harder because he whirlwinds a lot more`
`21:07.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`he doesn't`
`21:07.10`	`NeoTron`	`he does`
`21:07.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`he's doing it exactly as much as before`
`21:07.15`	`NeoTron`	`because he doesn't swap phases`
`21:07.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`err`
`21:07.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`right? :p`
`21:07.32`	`NeoTron`	`thing is, I suspect about 70% or more of the pre-15% dps comes in demon form`
`21:07.46`	`Azurewrath`	`most raids wipe in the 15% phase because the DDs think they need to overnuke and bring him down asap..`
`21:07.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`the humanoid form does it as often as the humanoid form does it. it's just that he's humanoid form the entire time`
`21:07.50`	`NeoTron`	`that's why it's harder - dps in human form is sporadic`
`21:07.53`	`Azurewrath`	`just do the same as before`
`21:08.14`	`Fisker-`	`well Azurewrath that's exactly what we did`
`21:08.14`	`NeoTron`	`Gnarfoz: right. oddly worder perhaps but what I meant is you get little time to outright nuke him`
`21:08.23`	`NeoTron`	`because demon is ezmode, humanoid is pain`
`21:08.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`if by nuke you mean melee, then yes`
`21:08.39`	`NeoTron`	`no, ranged too`
`21:08.45`	`NeoTron`	`you can't ranged dps him while he's whirlwinding`
`21:08.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`dunno, our ranged manage to`
`21:08.52`	`NeoTron`	`unless you like to get dotted and die`
`21:08.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`even if they suck at everything else`
`21:09.04`	`stavmar`	`anyone using Kemayo's Bank Stack?`
`21:09.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`like... dodging fucking striders at vashj GRRR`
`21:09.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`:p`
`21:09.18`	`NeoTron`	`I couldn't fire off a shadow bolt from max range and hit it before he gets to me most likely`
`21:09.37`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`lurker just managed to do the impossible`
`21:09.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`sag_ich_nicht: ... he moved from his spot?`
`21:09.49`	`kenlyric`	`die to your raid?`
`21:09.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`21:09.55`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`he dropped my fps below 60`
`21:10.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`lawl fail`
`21:10.30`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: I totally am.`
`21:10.37`	`stavmar`	`sag_ich_nicht: my FPS for that fight is always less than 10FPS, it is always a struggle unfortunately`
`21:10.48`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: lol, how do you get it to work with guiild banks`
`21:10.53`	`NeoTron`	`Still everything is easy when you know how to do it, and not so easy when you don't`
`21:11.07`	`stavmar`	`is there a command i am missing Kemayo`
`21:11.17`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: You have to use the slashcommands to do anything with the guild bank.`
`21:11.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`our ranged is trigger happy all the time anyway, had to tell them to fucking cancel their casts before whirlwind ends and phase changes - they would simply finish whatever they were casting, missile (= fireball, arrow, shadow bolt, wrath) would travel, aggro reset, missile hits, aggro, wipe :<)`
`21:11.33`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: So "/sort guild" would work.`
`21:11.52`	`stavmar`	`excellent, ar eyou going to add that to the tooltip or are you our of options`
`21:11.59`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: I felt that I was rather running out of key combinations for the tooltip. :D`
`21:12.02`	`stavmar`	`our/out`
`21:12.07`	`NeoTron`	`Gnarfoz: of course`
`21:12.08`	`stavmar`	`lol`
`21:12.14`	`NeoTron`	`surprisingly we have little issues on Supremus`
`21:12.17`	`NeoTron`	`I guess people learned`
`21:12.21`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: yeah I figured that much`
`21:12.35`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: I'll probably add it to the right-click menu for the fubar plugin to make it easier to get to.`
`21:12.38`	`NeoTron`	`you'd think you, that the very basic concept of "don't go close to thaladred" would be easy to grasp`
`21:12.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`I seriously hope they learned that. Had to kind of hammer it into their damn blockheads :D`
`21:12.43`	`kaiden`	`Anyone know how with Assessment to get the Threat portion to NOT show the Threat Per Second?`
`21:12.50`	`stavmar`	`maybe selectable function through the tooltip or the right click function works`
`21:13.06`	`NeoTron`	`especially in phase 1`
`21:13.13`	`NeoTron`	`when there's not 47 other things to concentrate on`
`21:13.17`	`*** join/#wowace MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower)`
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`21:13.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`now if they learn the general concept of "stay aware of what the fuck is going on around you so you DON'T DIE", I'm happy`
`21:13.43`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: I posted in the wowi page but my only other request is to be able to reverse the sort to go from back to front?`
`21:14.14`	`stavmar`	`I am going to see how it handles specialty tradeskill bags in a second, It is so much faster than Mr Plow, so we will see if it works for me...`
`21:14.15`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: It's on my to-do list.`
`21:14.17`	`NeoTron`	`but we've started to weed people out that simply aren't very good`
`21:14.22`	`NeoTron`	`the "raid wipers"`
`21:14.41`	`NeoTron`	`I think on archimonde we will have to start keepignt rack of who dies first`
`21:14.42`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: thanks for the mod and your responses`
`21:14.46`	`NeoTron`	`especially if they died from fall damage`
`21:14.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`so, back to leveling my original main to 68 so I can spend 4 primal mights on xmute mastery, drop it for another 150g and then learn elixir mastery... no time to level to 70 for botanica (potion mastery) or do several CoT:BM runs at 68 (elixir mastery)`
`21:14.48`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: No problem.`
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`21:15.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`NeoTron: heh yeah, I'd seriously like to do that, but our server is low pop... it was medium some time ago... we're losing people, and from both those that have left and those that are left... most of 'em just plain suck :<`
`21:15.48`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: It has very simple tradeskill bag handling so far -- I haven't made it fill empty slots yet. (I'm waiting to see if I can persuade slouken to give us an easy way to check for it so I don't have to include all of PT3.)`
`21:16.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`no good PvE'ers to choose from ;>`
`21:16.01`	`kenlyric`	`in what ways might i break omen by having it use a default profile?`
`21:16.12`	`NeoTron`	`most of our recruits are x-server transfers`
`21:16.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`heh we're too uninteresting for that`
`21:16.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, they'd probably see what kind of a boring server they'd join and think twice about it`
`21:16.53`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: and yikes on teh guild bank i thought it would sort per bank page...`
`21:16.58`	`NeoTron`	`we managed to actually find TWO tier 6-attuned mages`
`21:17.02`	`NeoTron`	`incidently RL friends`
`21:17.05`	`NeoTron`	`that was quite a find`
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`21:17.08`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: Pah, per page is for wimps!`
`21:17.18`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: each page has different rights for the guild`
`21:17.32`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: Yeah, that's true. I'll add some per-tab stuff.`
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`21:17.40`	`stavmar`	`i dont want my noob members having access to things they should not have access to`
`21:17.45`	`stavmar`	`ok cool`
`21:17.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`NeoTron: we recently acquired two damn good destro warlocks, RL friends. that was one of the few times I was happy to welcome someone new to our guild ;>`
`21:18.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`our guild leader was kind of pissed he couldn't compete in terms of damage, even though he is (was) equipped quite a bit better ^^`
`21:18.24`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: For now you could do this: "/bankstack group guild1 51", and then "/bankstack sort guild1" would only sort tab 1.`
`21:18.26`	`Zhinjio`	`Anyone have experience with LibRock and using per character/per account profiles?`
`21:18.41`	`CIA-8`	`tekkub-wow: 03mikko.majuri * r720 10/trunk/TourGuide/ (Alliance/28_29_Duskwood.lua TourGuide.toc): TG: Added 28-29_Duskwood in .toc, also fixed stuff from the same part`
`21:18.42`	`CIA-8`	`tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r721 10/trunk/TourGuide/ (3 files in 2 dirs): TourGuide - Adding Ally WPL guide`
`21:18.42`	`Kemayo`	`(Etc.)`
`21:18.42`	`CIA-8`	`tekkub-wow: 03tekkub * r722 10/trunk/TourGuide/Alliance/56_Silithus.lua: TourGuide - More tweaks to ally sillythis`
`21:18.49`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: 51 what does that mean?`
`21:19.05`	`aestil`	`wow, got new mother board. can put computer on lap without hurting myself now.`
`21:19.06`	`NeoTron`	`Gnarfoz: our server has 3 guilds that has cleared T6, and we're currently the 4th`
`21:19.10`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: It's the (fake) bagid for guild bank tab 1.`
`21:19.15`	`aestil`	`apparently the old motherboard wasn't working right, or something.`
`21:19.22`	`NeoTron`	`6 guilds total in T6 and who knows how many that just need kael'thas`
`21:19.23`	`Ellipsis`	`grats aestil`
`21:19.28`	`stavmar`	`so page 2-3 4 is then?`
`21:19.39`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: I mean what are the ids for pages 2-4`
`21:19.40`	`Ellipsis`	`52-54 I'd bet`
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`21:19.42`	`aestil`	`130 degrees on wow while playing, instead of 200.`
`21:19.50`	`stavmar`	`Ellipsis: magical answer`
`21:19.55`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm... ok, Illidan Phase 1 is a joke.. but Phase 2 without Fireresistequip is a 5 second wipe :D`
`21:19.57`	`Arzach-DB-EU`	`heya, anyone expert with snv ? GarbageFu is in a quite "strange" state`
`21:20.08`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: The other tabs are 52, 53, 54, 55, 56.`
`21:20.18`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: gracias`
`21:20.23`	`NeoTron`	`4 on kael'thas, 4 on Vashj/KT`
`21:20.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`NeoTron: we have one that killed Illidan for the first time just yesterday. one other horde guild is in BT, and one alliance guild. a hand full have not killed Kael'Thas, the rest have not killed vashj (we're on vashj. will clear do kael'thas once we kill vashj :P)`
`21:20.51`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: (I said 'fake' because the guild bank is actually on a completely different system from the bags and bank. The addon just knows to use a different set of functions whenever it sees those ids.)`
`21:21.18`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: kk`
`21:21.28`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: Also, I'm afraid that sorting in the guild bank is much slower, because some of the tricks we can use to sort stuff in the bags don't work there.`
`21:22.33`	`stavmar`	`yeah but your sort speed on teh bank and inventory are lightning fast`
`21:23.00`	`stavmar`	`a worthy compromise on the guild if I have to wait a bit, per page sort may not be as painful`
`21:23.31`	`CIA-8`	`03kemayo * r55560 10BankStack/core.lua: BankStack: Add built-in groups for each guild tab.`
`21:23.49`	`Kemayo`	`There we go.`
`21:24.27`	`stavmar`	`lol how do i exexecute them...`
`21:24.41`	`NeoTron`	`what is BankStack?`
`21:24.44`	`Kemayo`	`I didn't think of the hassle that sorting across all tabs might cause, because I just made a one-person guild and bought one tab to test things. :D`
`21:24.46`	`NeoTron`	`sorted guild bank view?`
`21:25.00`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: /sort guild1 (or guild2, or...etc)`
`21:25.24`	`Kemayo`	`NeoTron: Sorts items in your bags, bank, or guild bank. Or fills stacks in your bank from your bags. (Think MrPlow.)`
`21:25.38`	`sb`	`okay Azurewrath`
`21:25.42`	`sb`	`akama still bugged`
`21:25.48`	`NeoTron`	`so physically sorting stuff`
`21:25.49`	`sb`	`no banish phase`
`21:25.57`	`aestil`	`wow, drops down to 98 degrees when not under load.`
`21:25.58`	`NeoTron`	`vs the virtual sorting views like baggins`
`21:26.01`	`aestil`	`wierd.`
`21:26.03`	`Kemayo`	`NeoTron: Yup.`
`21:26.05`	`aestil`	`never run this cool before.`
`21:26.06`	`NeoTron`	`heh`
`21:26.08`	`stavmar`	`yes NeoTron`
`21:26.09`	`aestil`	`lets cyber guys!`
`21:26.15`	`NeoTron`	`that's like the very first bank addon I tried back in alpha`
`21:26.15`	`Zhinjio`	`looks like I'm going to need to play with profiles a bit to see how this all functions.`
`21:26.19`	`stavmar`	`and this is superfast compared to Mr. Plow`
`21:26.28`	`Ellipsis`	`aestil: wait, now you WANT to overheat it?`
`21:26.31`	`[Ammo]`	`the new mrplow is superfast too`
`21:26.33`	`[Ammo]`	`the branch one`
`21:26.36`	`stavmar`	`i actually use both mods baggins and mr. plow/Bankstack`
`21:26.39`	`aestil`	`yeah, that was the joke i was making :)`
`21:26.40`	`NeoTron`	`sb: bugged on pull? because when we did it he was ok on pull, but bugged after a wipe`
`21:26.42`	`sylvanaar_work`	`theres a new mr plow?`
`21:26.45`	`stavmar`	`[Ammo]: aah i never typed that one`
`21:26.48`	`stavmar`	`tried*`
`21:26.53`	`Kemayo`	`Yeah, MrPlow in branches is similarly fast.`
`21:26.54`	`sb`	`NeoTron: bugged on pull`
`21:26.56`	`sylvanaar_work`	`cool`
`21:27.04`	`stavmar`	`hmm`
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`21:27.15`	`Kemayo`	`Damn Wobin finally made it work two days after I got sick of trunk MrPlow being broken and wrote my own. :P`
`21:27.16`	`stavmar`	`why should I switch Kemayo ?`
`21:27.17`	`NeoTron`	`I pulled almost 3000 dps on that fight. that was fun`
`21:27.21`	`NeoTron`	`52% crit rate ftw`
`21:27.26`	`stavmar`	`lol Kemayo`
`21:27.56`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: I don't think branches MrPlow handles the guild bank yet.`
`21:28.05`	`Kemayo`	`Tjat`
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`21:28.13`	`Kemayo`	`that's the only real difference at the moment.`
`21:28.23`	`[Ammo]`	`guildbank handling ain't that important`
`21:28.45`	`NeoTron`	`Kemayo: so hefre's the real question - why have physical sorting when you can just use virtual sorting?`
`21:29.01`	`Kemayo`	`NeoTron: I just don't like the virtual ones. :P`
`21:29.12`	`NeoTron`	`fair enough`
`21:29.38`	`Kemayo`	`NeoTron: Actually, I wrote it entirely for the filling stacks in my bank from my bags functionality. It's just that sorting is a really trivial extension of that, so I went ahead and added it in.`
`21:29.50`	`NeoTron`	`so I read on wow forums that KT doesn't pyroblast anymore. Surely that isn't actually the case?`
`21:30.19`	`stavmar`	`and virtual sorting just does not seem real!`
`21:30.26`	`NeoTron`	`zomg`
`21:31.39`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: Oh, the other reason you might want to use BankStack instead of MrPlow is that it uses less memory.`
`21:31.50`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: well there you go`
`21:32.20`	`stavmar`	`guild sorting is important to a guild leader like me, tidy bank means good organization, lol`
`21:32.29`	`stavmar`	`at least a reflection of`
`21:34.02`	`sb`	`NeoTron: where is that akama quest?`
`21:34.09`	`sb`	`(find akama's deathsworn)`
`21:34.26`	`sylvanaar_work`	`yeah, restacking is still needed even with virtual bags - plus sorting does have some use (at least to try and keep the maximum number of bags empty)`
`21:35.23`	`Kemayo`	`Keeping bags empty doesn't matter too much. I seem to recall that you used to not be able to switch out a full bag, though. (I might be remembering wrong.)`
`21:35.44`	`sylvanaar_work`	`well, it does matter if you need to switch in a profession bag`
`21:36.07`	`Kemayo`	`Oh, good point.`
`21:36.58`	`Glorian`	`i like baggins with the autostack function`
`21:37.25`	`sylvanaar_work`	`i just use my bags and mr plow atm`
`21:38.06`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, I'll be more specific. I want to give users the option to either store values on a per character, or per account basis. However, I have the code that updates the SV data all over the place. I don't want to have split code everyplace that decides which place to write SV data to. I thought "profiles" were supposed to solve that somehow, but I guess I'm not getting it. How is this done?`
`21:38.15`	`sylvanaar_work`	`mr plow does get messed up by engi bags, and i think enchant bags too`
`21:38.17`	`stavmar`	`i think baggins for the virtual organization of it makes it fast to find things, but I still like to physically sort my bags to know that one bag is empty and that is where the newest itmes will be located`
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`21:39.16`	`Glorian`	`I mostly dont care about this stavmar`
`21:39.36`	`Glorian`	`Herbs are automaticaly sorted into the professions bag`
`21:39.47`	`Glorian`	`and i dont care about the rest ;=`
`21:39.49`	`Glorian`	`;)`
`21:39.50`	`stavmar`	`to each his own, the best part about mods and its community really`
`21:39.57`	`Anasztaizia`	`If I apply for SVN access, how long should I expect to wait to be denied/accepted?`
`21:40.14`	`Zhinjio`	`Anasztaizia: about a day`
`21:40.21`	`stavmar`	`how long does it take for the files to update after a commit..Not an SVN user`
`21:40.24`	`Zhinjio`	`give or take.`
`21:40.26`	`Anasztaizia`	`Thankyou`
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`21:40.38`	`Glorian`	`You are right stavmar thats the advantage of the modding community :)`
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`21:41.28`	`Kemayo`	`Zhinjio: profiles help with this because for each character a person can choose the profile they want to use. Thus seven of you characters can be using "Default", while three could be using "Farmbot", and one could be using a per-character profile.`
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`21:42.11`	`Zhinjio`	`Kemayo: ok, so thats really more of a "user preference" or usability feature, as opposed to restricting to just a couple options.`
`21:42.14`	`Zhinjio`	`hmm.`
`21:42.25`	`Zhinjio`	`that level of flexibility isn't desired in this case.`
`21:42.36`	`Saryai`	`Hmmm... Is there a /script to find the name of a specific actionbar button?`
`21:42.37`	`Zhinjio`	`I just want two options: per char, or per account.`
`21:43.17`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm trying to think of a situation where I'd want more than that in this case, and can't come up with one.`
`21:43.20`	`kenlyric`	`did anyone answer my profiles question earlier about Omen, if switching to default will break something unexpected?`
`21:43.48`	`Kemayo`	`Zhinjio: I haven't played much with Rock's db settings, but I think that they're pretty similar to AceDB's. In that case you could store the "per-account" ones in "self.db.profile" and the per-char ones in "self.db.char".`
`21:43.53`	`kenlyric`	`guess i'll find out one way or the other.`
`21:44.28`	`Zhinjio`	`Kemayo: so far, I've only used self.db.char...`
`21:44.32`	`Zhinjio`	`and thats been working.`
`21:44.49`	`Zhinjio`	`but the early feedback shows that a good portion of people don't want things per character`
`21:45.02`	`Kemayo`	`Zhinjio: Oh, and acedb has "self.db.account" -- I assume that rock has a similar thing.`
`21:45.07`	`Zhinjio`	`yes.`
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`21:45.40`	`Zhinjio`	`the only "gotcha" I can think of right now is someone deciding mid-stream that they want to switch, and needing a mechanism to copy "account" to "char"`
`21:46.04`	`Kemayo`	`Zhinjio: If you want to support that then profile is the way to go.`
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`21:46.11`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, I was afraid of that.`
`21:46.20`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`21:47.08`	`stavmar`	`Kemayo: works like a charm on the guild bank pages now, TY`
`21:47.31`	`Kemayo`	`stavmar: No problem. :D`
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`21:52.02`	`Saryai`	`Urgh. Need to find an actionbar button name.`
`21:53.00`	`kenlyric`	`tim`
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`21:53.07`	`kenlyric`	`Tim the Button`
`21:53.18`	`Saryai`	`XD`
`21:54.16`	`Saryai`	`Isn't there a /script that'll display the name of a specific action button?`
`21:54.19`	`Fisker-`	`I FUCKING KISS YOU ON THE FUCKING LIPS Chompers`
`21:54.27`	`Chompers`	`grats on the kill`
`21:54.30`	`Chompers`	`:P`
`21:54.32`	`Fisker-`	`:D`
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`21:54.36`	`Fisker-`	`it fucking worked`
`21:54.51`	`Fisker-`	`he went from 15->8% during the image creation`
`21:55.06`	`Ellipsis`	`I didn't know Chompers had that kind of lips`
`21:55.14`	`Chompers`	`juicy ones at that`
`21:55.36`	`Fisker-`	`:D`
`21:56.32`	`Fisker-`	`hahahah`
`21:56.43`	`Fisker-`	`"Isn't that some nice loot to the warrior"`
`21:56.49`	`Fisker-`	`Got 2x warlock,hunter mage gloves`
`21:56.55`	`Chompers`	`tsunami trinket?`
`21:56.58`	`Fisker-`	`no`
`21:57.04`	`Chompers`	`dropped twice for us so far`
`21:57.06`	`Fisker-`	`but got girdle of the unvulnerable`
`21:57.09`	`Fisker-`	`or invulnerable`
`21:57.11`	`Chompers`	`2 hunters got it >:\|`
`21:57.25`	`Chompers`	`now Fisker-, gogo vashj`
`21:57.41`	`Fisker-`	`no u :I`
`21:57.45`	`Chompers`	`we are :P`
`21:59.06`	`Chompers`	`glad you got the boss down, you've been on it awhile`
`22:00.17`	`Arzach-DB-EU`	`need help from someone expert on how svn / rss feed get created plz`
`22:01.29`	`Fisker-`	`hehe Chompers :P`
`22:01.36`	`Fisker-`	`was pretty much our only problem`
`22:01.43`	`Fisker-`	`15->0% and we screw up all the time`
`22:01.50`	`Fisker-`	`but i'm gonna watch futurama now`
`22:02.02`	`Lukian`	`I r 1337 programma now?`
`22:02.29`	`Glorian`	`I desperatly wait for the new season Fisker-`
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`22:06.36`	`thul`	`Fisker- is ignoring me :-(`
`22:06.51`	`AlexanderB`	`someone knows which layout this is: http://www.wowace.com/mediawiki/images/b/b7/Ag_UnitFrames.jpg`
`22:07.09`	`Fisker-`	`noooo thul`
`22:07.14`	`thul`	`I feel no love :-(`
`22:07.20`	`Fisker-`	`but i only love Chompers :(`
`22:07.31`	`thul`	`Kr�tter here.`
`22:07.37`	`Fisker-`	`:O?`
`22:07.46`	`thul`	`you don't remember meee?`
`22:08.04`	`thul`	`I'm so dissapointed.`
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`22:08.14`	`Fisker-`	`nope :<`
`22:08.17`	`thul`	`the shaman`
`22:08.19`	`thul`	`at ravencrest`
`22:08.24`	`kenlyric`	`hmmm... recount has incurred my wrath. It doesn't use profiles at all.`
`22:08.26`	`kenlyric`	`Naught mod.`
`22:08.26`	`thul`	`or are there more fiskers? :-P`
`22:08.29`	`kenlyric`	`+y`
`22:08.32`	`Fisker-`	`i don't think so`
`22:08.35`	`Orionshock`	`" You'll find that the GUID decodes into the type of creature, which can then be matched against data in the WDB cache ... not that anyone would ever try to decode that data. :) "`
`22:08.41`	`Orionshock`	`haven't we allready done that?`
`22:08.41`	`Fisker-`	`fiskerdin and fisker paladin and rogue`
`22:08.48`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, pretty much`
`22:08.59`	`thul`	`hmm`
`22:09.02`	`kenlyric`	`we've actually not only done that, we've also done this discussion.`
`22:09.06`	`Ellipsis`	`^`
`22:09.10`	`thul`	`ok, i remember a fisker shaman that i leveled with :-(`
`22:09.12`	`thul`	`well, well, I'm off`
`22:09.15`	`Fisker-`	`:O`
`22:09.17`	`Fisker-`	`bai`
`22:09.25`	`Orionshock`	`i know :D`
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`22:10.29`	`kenlyric`	`so, resetting my SVs but otherwise not changing any of the mods I use just saved me 9mb of ram.`
`22:10.36`	`kenlyric`	`I wonder what they could all be storing.`
`22:10.38`	`Chompers`	`Fisker- loves me`
`22:10.41`	`Chompers`	`YOU BIG GAY`
`22:11.31`	`Vulcanus`	`ken - maybe auctioneer data?`
`22:11.45`	`NeoTron`	`so any reasons why Ace2 addon would use a shitton of memory? (typically requiring a /reloadui)`
`22:11.54`	`kenlyric`	`that's about half of it.`
`22:11.56`	`NeoTron`	`should be motied all libs are external just to try to figure out why`
`22:12.05`	`Ellipsis`	`NeoTron: because something is abusing it`
`22:12.17`	`Glorian`	`AlexanderB looks like the basic layout`
`22:12.18`	`Vulcanus`	`ya a poorly coded addon turns even the most efficient framework into mush`
`22:12.19`	`NeoTron`	`I am curious what, in Ace2 standard, could use a lot of memory`
`22:12.25`	`kenlyric`	`and aloft for some reason was keeping class/level in the SV even though I turned that feature off.`
`22:12.27`	`Glorian`	`With player portrait on`
`22:12.35`	`NeoTron`	`i.e if you pry out all the libraries`
`22:12.49`	`kenlyric`	`NeoTron: I'd think comm.`
`22:12.49`	`Ellipsis`	`NeoTron: there are certain memory issues with the ace2 framework, and an addon that's not well designed to take those into account can cause huge leaks`
`22:12.56`	`AlexanderB`	`yeah but the font is ...`
`22:13.11`	`Glorian`	`AlexanderB Try ABF as layout`
`22:13.15`	`NeoTron`	`to twist it around, anyone know if recount by chance might be such an addon`
`22:13.28`	`AlexanderB`	`i have it, but the font is to small :(`
`22:13.40`	`Ellipsis`	`the best way to find out is to disable it for a bit and see if your ace2 memory usage is reduced`
`22:13.52`	`NeoTron`	`that is true`
`22:13.58`	`AlexanderB`	`or can i change the font somewhere?`
`22:14.03`	`NeoTron`	`it's so amazingly useful for me while raiding though`
`22:14.04`	`Ellipsis`	`note it could also be a lib or something causing that, so it may be difficult to diagnose`
`22:14.07`	`NeoTron`	`raid leading rather`
`22:14.17`	`Glorian`	`AlexanderB change the bar scale`
`22:14.48`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`mhm`
`22:14.48`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`the other retribution paladin in my raid`
`22:14.48`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`just managed to do something weird`
`22:14.48`	`AlexanderB`	`but then is the bar to big have to scale it to 140% -.-`
`22:14.48`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`he was in damage done above me, but below me in dps`
`22:15.15`	`NeoTron`	`sag_ich_nicht: I misread`
`22:15.26`	`NeoTron`	`sag_ich_nicht: I think you just said "the OTHER retribution paladin"`
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`22:15.39`	`NeoTron`	`that would indicate you had two. Two is more than zero so I must have misread?`
`22:15.40`	`Vulcanus`	`sag_ich_nicht, you stupid paladins took my jawbs :( I was in kara just now and a pala was beating me on dps`
`22:15.42`	`Vulcanus`	`me, a fire mage`
`22:15.47`	`Vulcanus`	`outrageous :(`
`22:15.56`	`NeoTron`	`that said, he just doesn't have as high DPS time`
`22:15.57`	`Glorian`	`How did you set the UI Scaling?`
`22:16.08`	`NeoTron`	`dps higher when he does, but dps less amount of time`
`22:16.16`	`NeoTron`	`or rahter the opposite`
`22:16.27`	`NeoTron`	`your dps is better but you spend more time idling about`
`22:17.17`	`Arzach-DB-EU`	`any particular reason why an addon should be in SVN and not in file directories (files.wowace.com) ?`
`22:18.12`	`AlexanderB`	`0.64`
`22:18.16`	`AlexanderB`	`automatically`
`22:18.51`	`Glorian`	`0,64 is VERY small`
`22:18.57`	`Glorian`	`put the slider into the middle`
`22:19.46`	`AlexanderB`	`hmm`
`22:19.49`	`AlexanderB`	`0.64 is left`
`22:19.50`	`AlexanderB`	`1 right`
`22:19.52`	`AlexanderB`	`and its right oO`
`22:19.58`	`Glorian`	`oO`
`22:19.58`	`AlexanderB`	`cant i see the value in the chat?`
`22:20.07`	`Xinhuan`	`Arzach-DB-EU: you want to keep code version controlled but not "release" it to the public yet, or allow multiple people to work on code that isn't release-ready`
`22:22.03`	`AlexanderB`	`Glorian cant u read my chat? ican read yours oO`
`22:22.49`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you must be registered to freenode to send PMs`
`22:23.02`	`AlexanderB`	`ah`
`22:23.06`	`Glorian`	`i cant read yours`
`22:23.14`	`Glorian`	`you have to register your nickname`
`22:23.23`	`Glorian`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:23.24`	`Chompers`	`still no atlas :<`
`22:23.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8&feature=related`
`22:23.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`WHAT`
`22:23.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`THE`
`22:23.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`FLYING`
`22:23.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`FUCK?!`
`22:23.36`	`AlexanderB`	`or just join #... :P`
`22:23.51`	`Chompers`	`holy multi line spam attack batman`
`22:24.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Chompers: watch the link and you'll find it worthy of multiline spam`
`22:24.55`	`Chompers`	`chuck norris sucks`
`22:25.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`agreed`
`22:25.26`	`Chompers`	`i saw his 'i support religion in schools' video`
`22:25.26`	`CIA-8`	`03evenue * r55562 10TradeskillInfo/TradeskillData.lua:`
`22:25.26`	`CIA-8`	`TradeskillInfo:`
`22:25.26`	`CIA-8`	`-Fixed most lua errors with cost being nil`
`22:25.26`	`CIA-8`	`-Fixed new recipes to show reagents`
`22:25.26`	`CIA-8`	`-Enchanting is still under construction`
`22:25.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`Pkekyo\|, I concurr`
`22:25.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`chuck norris is overrated....if he was 'all that', he'd swallow too....`
`22:26.53`	`Mudkips`	`have you seen this ? http://www.destructoid.com/captain-kirk-plays-wow-who-knew--55141.phtml#ext`
`22:26.57`	`Glorian`	`Chuck noris bekommt bei Praktiker 20 Prozent .... auch auf Tiernahrung`
`22:27.08`	`Glorian`	`sorry stupid german chuck norris joke ;)`
`22:27.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`Mudkips, just saw... my thread title for it was "Strength!... be WITH... .... ... you."`
`22:27.29`	`Chompers`	`Mudkips: the Mr T one is amazing`
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`22:27.54`	`Mudkips`	`KarlThePagan, i c wut did thar`
`22:28.02`	`Mudkips`	`where is this stuff airing?`
`22:28.18`	`Xinhuan`	`Kemayo are you around`
`22:28.26`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[23:15] <NeoTron> that would indicate you had two. Two is more than zero so I must have misread? <--no, you didn't. kill yourself, noob.`
`22:28.44`	`Vulcanus`	`sag you angry german you`
`22:28.45`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
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`22:29.47`	`Xinhuan`	`wake up`
`22:31.18`	`Kemayo`	`Xinhuan: I just got back. :P`
`22:31.28`	`Arzach-DB-EU`	`;D`
`22:31.39`	`Xinhuan`	`your last commit broke the zipscript by invalid external`
`22:31.41`	`Xinhuan`	`go fix it`
`22:31.47`	`Xinhuan`	`on garbagefu`
`22:31.52`	`Kemayo`	`Oh, okay.`
`22:32.02`	`Xinhuan`	`you need to add "Lib" in front of that folder name`
`22:32.16`	`Xinhuan`	`(p.s. i'm lazy to do it for you)`
`22:32.20`	`NeoTron`	`sag_ich_nicht: retpally in a raid is unheard of. two can't possibly ever exist or the raid would assplode`
`22:32.22`	`Arzach-DB-EU`	`it's called LibPeriodicTable now`
`22:32.33`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`NeoTron well, lurker down`
`22:32.33`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`so`
`22:32.36`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`get out`
`22:32.46`	`Vulcanus`	`gb2 flash of light`
`22:32.47`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`22:32.51`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`how about no`
`22:32.56`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`fyad`
`22:33.10`	`NeoTron`	`sag_ich_nicht: lurker doesn't require dps >:-)`
`22:33.16`	`CIA-8`	`03kemayo * r55563 10FuBar_GarbageFu/: FuBar_GarbageFu: Fix missing "Lib" on one of the externals.`
`22:33.29`	`NeoTron`	`sag_ich_nicht: we a rat pally on occasion but .. yeah`
`22:33.30`	`Vulcanus`	`just messing with ya mate, I got owned by a retadin in DPS in kara just now, and the moar retadins we have DPSing the more buffs I get`
`22:33.31`	`Vulcanus`	`:)`
`22:33.43`	`Xinhuan`	`http://files.wowace.com/ERRORS.txt`
`22:33.45`	`Kemayo`	`I had to add, like, eight "Libs" in. I missed one. :P`
`22:33.49`	`Xinhuan`	`i guess there are many others`
`22:33.53`	`Xinhuan`	`that are also broken`
`22:33.55`	`NeoTron`	`Vulcanus: they have quite an advantage in undead raids`
`22:34.01`	`Mudkips`	`lol yeah`
`22:34.03`	`Xinhuan`	`all becaose of periodic table 3.1!`
`22:34.05`	`NeoTron`	`heck I tanked kara on my prot pally and was 4th on overall dps`
`22:34.08`	`Xinhuan`	`BAD LPT3.1!`
`22:34.11`	`Mudkips`	`karazhan isn't exactly a very good test for ret pallies`
`22:34.16`	`NeoTron`	`which by itself was more sadly pointing out the crap of the raid`
`22:34.45`	`Kemayo`	`Xinhuan: Actually, half the remaining ones are AceLocale.`
`22:34.46`	`Vulcanus`	`ya I know but still Im sure they could do decent, even if not best, DPS in say gruul`
`22:34.54`	`Xinhuan`	`yep but half of them are LPT`
`22:35.10`	`Xinhuan`	`where you can also see the missing Lib`
`22:35.11`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`22:35.28`	`Kemayo`	`Less than half now! :D`
`22:35.49`	`NeoTron`	`to be fair I don't exactly have a GOOD retpally to compare with`
`22:36.06`	`NeoTron`	`he just recently, after raiding on and off for months, learned about the stat called "melee hit"`
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`22:36.13`	`dispel`	`morning fellas`
`22:36.16`	`Xinhuan`	`...`
`22:36.23`	`Glorian`	`morning dispel`
`22:36.30`	`NeoTron`	`it's ironic because he also consistently claims to be hte best ret pally ever`
`22:36.38`	`dispel`	`who?`
`22:36.43`	`Mudkips`	`best paladin ever is Athene`
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`22:36.46`	`Xinhuan`	`oh some of those invalid externals have been there for about 4 months ;p`
`22:36.47`	`Mudkips`	`everyone knows that`
`22:36.50`	`dispel`	`lol`
`22:36.58`	`Arzach-DB-EU`	`btw, Ty Xinhuan and Kemayo`
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`22:37.00`	`dispel`	`imo best ret pally me a warrior`
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`22:37.07`	`Mudkips`	`SHHHHHHHWWWWK around the corner`
`22:37.19`	`sb`	`meh this sucks`
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`22:37.43`	`sb`	`is there a way to re-enable player titles when having alt-z display? (interface disabled)`
`22:37.52`	`NeoTron`	`we have one insanely good shadow priest and a bunhc of good ones`
`22:37.58`	`NeoTron`	`the difference is sometimes stunning`
`22:38.10`	`NeoTron`	`I bet a good ret pally would be stunningly better than our retrinub`
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`22:38.26`	`CIA-8`	`03kemayo * r55564 10Manufac/libs/: Manufac: Missing "Lib" in externals.`
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`22:38.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i actually saw a good ret pally yesterday`
`22:38.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`swear to god`
`22:38.42`	`Vulcanus`	`proof or gtfo`
`22:38.43`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`22:39.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`AND it was a female dorf`
`22:39.05`	`lolinternet`	`SPLITZ`
`22:39.50`	`Polarina`	`Oh no! We are all domed!`
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`22:39.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`domed.../snicker`
`22:39.50`	`Elgrim`	`Anyone know of a cooldown mod displaying cooldowns as Icons? not bars.`
`22:40.31`	`Mudkips`	`huuuuh?`
`22:40.39`	`Kemayo`	`Elgrim: Find a bar one that lets you configure bar width, and set it to 0?`
`22:40.50`	`Polarina`	`Elgrim: FrameXML.`
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`22:41.13`	`Elgrim`	`Polarina thanks, ill try it`
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`22:41.25`	`Elgrim`	`Kemayo yep, could be an idea :D`
`22:41.44`	`Polarina`	`Elgrim: <ESC> → Interface Options → [Somewhere...]`
`22:41.57`	`CIA-8`	`03kemayo * r55565 10GrindStatus/libs/: GrindStatus: Fix "LibriodicTable" in externals. :P`
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`22:42.27`	`Mudkips`	`O SHI--`
`22:42.27`	`Ellipsis`	`Libriodic table, cool`
`22:42.48`	`Ellipsis`	`I always did want something to categorize my libs for me`
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`22:43.31`	`Xinhuan`	`ok, i converted my wow drive from fat32 to ntfs, i didn't really notice any difference in addon load time, BUT my addons now load in alphatical order instead of "natural disk order" now :)`
`22:43.38`	`Elgrim`	`Polarina. Its not available through WAU is it?`
`22:43.40`	`Xinhuan`	`alphabetical`
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`22:43.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Elgrim: i don't know what he was on about`
`22:43.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`FrameXML isn't a mod`
`22:43.56`	`Polarina`	`Elgrim: FrameXML is Blizzard's UI.`
`22:44.07`	`Elgrim`	`ah :P`
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`22:44.20`	`Polarina`	`Elgrim: Blizzard has that feature. :)`
`22:44.23`	`Polarina`	`Good night.`
`22:44.30`	`Elgrim`	`really?`
`22:44.46`	`Elgrim`	`How do I enable?`
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`22:45.07`	`dispel`	`http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5574/wowscrnshot111907195836kb1.jpg can any one tell me is there any other mods i need -_-`
`22:45.32`	`Polarina`	`Elgrim: Interface Options. Somewhere there...`
`22:45.34`	`[Ammo]`	`that UI needs more goatse`
`22:45.41`	`dispel`	`wat u mean ammo`
`22:45.54`	`[Ammo]`	`it does not have enough goatse.cx in it`
`22:46.07`	`dispel`	`wats that?`
`22:46.19`	`Elgrim`	`Polarina are you sure? I want to see cooldown on my spells.`
`22:46.25`	`[Ammo]`	`it's NSFW that should say enough`
`22:46.27`	`Elgrim`	`Didnt think blizzard had that feature`
`22:46.29`	`Ellipsis`	`gloryhole go`
`22:46.33`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe`
`22:46.36`	`[Ammo]`	`gloryhole is imba`
`22:46.56`	`[Ammo]`	`but putting it on wowace would be kinda rude :p`
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`22:48.19`	`NeoTron`	`�ome day, 30 years from now, someone will make a reference to goatse.cx. ppl will go "huh?" and the guy will say to google it`
`22:48.29`	`Bejitt`	`>_<`
`22:48.31`	`NeoTron`	`and I'm sure it'll stil be widely available for random users to be shocked by`
`22:48.33`	`Vulcanus`	`Im just glad that wont be me`
`22:48.55`	`[Ammo]`	`Mikk was kind enough to provide me with a .tga version of it for use as a wow texture`
`22:48.58`	`rubik`	`yeah.. now the latest craze is other, much grosser shit.. unfortunately`
`22:49.03`	`[Ammo]`	`I use it for my viewport addon`
`22:49.38`	`NeoTron`	`2g1c yes ... not seen it, don't plan to`
`22:49.54`	`Bejitt`	`tubgirl!`
`22:49.55`	`rubik`	`yes, don't`
`22:49.56`	`Lukian`	`What library / function should I use to fetch my current coords?`
`22:49.58`	`NeoTron`	`tubgirl I have also avoided`
`22:50.13`	`rubik`	`tubgirl is pretty tame in comparison too.. lol`
`22:50.37`	`NeoTron`	`just nothing I have a ... need to see`
`22:50.46`	`Mudkips`	`tubgirl was meh`
`22:50.46`	`NeoTron`	`there are much nicer things to look at... on the Internet`
`22:50.54`	`Mudkips`	`it's all about girlxdog`
`22:51.01`	`Mudkips`	`that shit was o_o`
`22:51.27`	`Aens[T]`	`2g1c is great if you get someone to commentate as they watch it`
`22:51.28`	`Bejitt`	`didnt goatse have a big photo shoot after the craze kicked in?`
`22:51.33`	`Bejitt`	`i remember a traffic cone..`
`22:51.36`	`NeoTron`	`hmm /topic WuWAce - Your best source for NSFW search terms`
`22:51.41`	`NeoTron`	`lol. wuwuace.`
`22:52.08`	`Kemayo`	`The one with the eels was my favorite.`
`22:52.17`	`dylanm`	`Wu tang clan?`
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`22:52.27`	`Ellipsis`	`oh god why did I actually read my scrollback`
`22:52.31`	`Ellipsis`	`make it stop`
`22:52.32`	`lolinternet`	`paladin with full S2`
`22:52.46`	`lolinternet`	`Jin'rohk, The Great Apocalypse`
`22:52.52`	`lolinternet`	`i'm suprised`
`22:52.57`	`lolinternet`	`because i normally don't see such things`
`22:53.03`	`lolinternet`	`so i go and do /inspect`
`22:53.10`	`lolinternet`	`...43/18/0`
`22:53.35`	`lolinternet`	`ludicrous`
`22:54.03`	`Mudkips`	`oh the eels was a bit shudders`
`22:54.09`	`rubik`	`oh.. so does anything add the talent spec from inspect to a tag or whanot post 2.3 yet? (not the rock lib tag)`
`22:54.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`damnit i should have paid extra on shipping for mass effect, the tracking id doesnt even work yet and ups is using usps to deliver it so i probably wont get it till monday`
`22:55.21`	`Xinhuan`	`think my country (singapore) banned it for some scenes in it, they reversed the ban`
`22:55.33`	`Xinhuan`	`then* they`
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`22:57.20`	`lolinternet`	`lol`
`22:57.22`	`lolinternet`	`Arrowmaster`
`22:57.24`	`lolinternet`	`so`
`22:57.36`	`lolinternet`	`since USPS uses fedex for most of it's transportation nowadays`
`22:57.50`	`Mudkips`	`good lord`
`22:57.57`	`lolinternet`	`you get your packaged from UPS thru USPS over FedEx`
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`23:04.26`	`Elgrim`	`Anyone know of a cooldown mod displaying cooldowns as Icons? not bars.`
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`23:06.11`	`Obelixprim1`	`ebb does target debuffs?`
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`23:06.11`	`RaydenUni`	`http://worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/movies.html`
`23:06.11`	`RaydenUni`	`are you serious?`
`23:06.11`	`RaydenUni`	`Mr T?`
`23:06.11`	`RaydenUni`	`lol`
`23:06.11`	`RaydenUni`	`so awesome`
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`23:19.46`	`Kemayo`	`Obelixprim1: I believe that ElkBuffBars can be set up for target stuff. Never played with that part of it, though -- I use Quartz for it.`
`23:20.41`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, EBB does it nicely`
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`23:22.41`	`Obelixprim1`	`currently i have it in pitbull, but i didn't have an eloquant way to present it so i had to redo my ui to allow for debuffs to appear along the bottom`
`23:23.09`	`stavmar`	`did anyone ever figure out what mod was causing the guild bank settings to act all funky?`
`23:23.44`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`mhm`
`23:23.46`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`question`
`23:23.59`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`is lurker an FPS drain, or SSC generally?`
`23:23.59`	`Obelixprim1`	`sag_ich_nicht`
`23:24.33`	`Ellipsis`	`stavmar: if you mean the guild rank thing? yeah, it's been fixed`
`23:24.42`	`Arzach-DB-EU`	`lurker isn't fps nice, yep`
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`23:25.15`	`charon`	`evening`
`23:25.33`	`stavmar`	`the rank things keeps getting changed, what mod was it causing the problem my client only lets me change settings when all mods are offis still happening`
`23:25.57`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Arzach-DB-EU: so it's just lurker`
`23:26.03`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`or are there more such fps drains in SSC? :/`
`23:26.23`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`playing at 15 fps when you're used to 60 kinda sucks`
`23:26.53`	`charon`	`little question for the linux users here, i finally got my new laptop with a nvidia card so i can play under linux, what do you use to update your addons? anything fancy? or just svn up *?`
`23:27.04`	`rubik`	`trying to get guild healers to switch to Grid/Clique for their healing and someone asked for a video of someone healing using Grid (uhh.. i guess a bunch of clicking is all they'll see? lol).. does such a video exist somewhere?`
`23:27.18`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`23:27.20`	`cladhaire`	`on the clique webpage`
`23:27.23`	`cladhaire`	`a tutorial of how to set up grid + clique.`
`23:27.25`	`cladhaire`	`actually`
`23:27.28`	`rubik`	`omg`
`23:27.29`	`rubik`	`<3`
`23:27.30`	`_rane`	`what's clique?`
`23:27.35`	`cladhaire`	`~clique`
`23:27.36`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, clique is a click-casting addon by Cladhaire, which you can download from WoWInterface: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5108-Clique.html`
`23:28.05`	`stavmar`	`clique is awesome`
`23:28.17`	`stavmar`	`clad makes great mods, i use everyone of them`
`23:28.29`	`stavmar`	`i am a mod-aholic`
`23:28.34`	`_rane`	`interesting`
`23:28.36`	`cladhaire`	`there's no reason they have to use grid tho to do it`
`23:28.37`	`_rane`	`i might give it a try`
`23:28.52`	`rubik`	`yeah, understood`
`23:29.02`	`rubik`	`any supported unit frames addon`
`23:29.17`	`stavmar`	`try Perfect Raid with Clique`
`23:29.22`	`Lukian`	`What library / function should I use to fetch my current coords?`
`23:29.38`	`cladhaire`	`Lukian: take a look at TomTom, it uses Astrolabe`
`23:29.40`	`cladhaire`	`its pretty easy`
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`23:30.09`	`Lukian`	`actually I'll just hack it out of another addon XD`
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`23:33.40`	`stavmar`	`Ellipsis: so what was causing the error with the guild banks, i still cannot change teh settings`
`23:33.47`	`stavmar`	`without weird crap happening`
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`23:37.04`	`Chompers`	`another failed ZA run, total fail on eagle boss trash`
`23:37.18`	`Chompers`	`i'm just never going to get Heartless`
`23:38.43`	`poxk`	`get a better guild`
`23:43.27`	`Xinhuan`	`what's wrong Chompers :)`
`23:43.35`	`Xinhuan`	`what went wrong with the eagle trash that is`
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`23:44.16`	`Mudkips`	`wtf is wrong with this ... http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/19/child.rape/index.html`
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`23:46.30`	`Neebler`	`http://kotaku.com/gaming/clip/jam-sessions-hates-fucking-spongecake-nsfw-324215.php`
`23:49.08`	`Ellipsis`	`I lol'ed`
`23:50.13`	`Zhinjio`	`stavmar: I don't think the guild bank permissions stuff is a mod. I think thats Blizz's fucked up code.`
`23:50.24`	`Zhinjio`	`I've had it do all kinds of weird stuff, from renaming ranks to wiping out ranks.`
`23:50.43`	`CIA-8`	`03archarodim * r55566 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.toc:`
`23:50.43`	`CIA-8`	`sRaidFrames:`
`23:50.43`	`CIA-8`	`- Added missing "X-Embeds" in toc and several missing libraries in "OptionalDeps"`
`23:50.47`	`stavmar`	`Zhinjio: aah i thought i might be a conflict, it seems teh error is delyed`
`23:51.26`	`Zhinjio`	`I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I've had it screw up with only the most basic mods loaded.`
`23:52.03`	`stavmar`	`ok`
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`23:57.11`	`Zhinjio`	`Kemayo: ping`
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