IRC log for #wowace on 20071207

`00:00.10`	`Aenslaed`	`blue is asking for wotlk`
`00:02.25`	`buu`	`WARLOCKS NEED AOE DEATHCOIL`
`00:02.27`	`buu`	`AND BLINK`
`00:02.35`	`Aenslaed`	`heh`
`00:03.03`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`and lay on hands, right?`
`00:03.19`	`Aenslaed`	`just give them finger of death and be done with it`
`00:03.25`	`Aenslaed`	`err, death touch`
`00:03.29`	`Aenslaed`	`forgot they changed the name`
`00:03.39`	`Diao`	`lol`
`00:04.11`	`Shirik\|zZz`	`Shadow Word: Destruction. Crits your opponent for 20k. If the attack does not kill the opponent, you are disconnected from the server and your character is immediately deleted. You are not allowed to roll another warlock for 1 year.`
`00:04.24`	`Ellipsis`	`buu: you forgot green fire, duh`
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`00:08.35`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: Doom fire imo.`
`00:08.56`	`buu`	`Shirik\|zZz: But bears have like 25k hp =[`
`00:08.59`	`buu`	`Shirik\|zZz: Needs a buff.`
`00:10.04`	`buu`	`Actually I could survive that attack also =[`
`00:10.07`	`buu`	`Definitrely needs a buff.`
`00:10.13`	`Ellipsis`	`no wai, give it a 600% +dmg coefficient`
`00:10.39`	`Diao`	`lol`
`00:11.18`	`Aenslaed`	`either way`
`00:11.19`	`Ellipsis`	`and make a first tier demonology talent reduce its resist chance by 50/100%`
`00:11.20`	`Ellipsis`	`:D`
`00:11.24`	`Aenslaed`	`you should honestly answer these surveys`
`00:11.39`	`Aenslaed`	`they all ask for weak spots, not new abilities`
`00:12.10`	`Aenslaed`	`and i'm sure every class has old legacy issues that the devs have forgotten about`
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`00:13.11`	`Diao`	`lol`
`00:13.18`	`Diao`	`i think they need to change cyclone to dispellable magic debuff`
`00:13.22`	`buu`	`Weak Spot: I occasionally die`
`00:13.24`	`buu`	`Please fix`
`00:13.25`	`buu`	`Thx.`
`00:13.32`	`Diao`	`and make a talent in the balance tree that improves cyclone to undispellable`
`00:13.33`	`Diao`	`as it is now`
`00:13.37`	`buu`	`Fuck that`
`00:13.40`	`buu`	`Nerf the shit out of it.`
`00:13.52`	`buu`	`LAWL IT'S LIKE MAGIC BUT BETTER.`
`00:14.01`	`Diao`	`well`
`00:14.01`	`buu`	`Or make all druids banishable`
`00:14.04`	`Diao`	`balance druids do need help`
`00:14.04`	`buu`	`That would be pretty cool.`
`00:14.07`	`Diao`	`in pvp`
`00:14.09`	`Ellipsis`	`ugh, every time someone complains about UA not triggering by bubble/etc., I die a little inside`
`00:14.10`	`Diao`	`resto needs a nerf`
`00:14.12`	`Shadowed`	`Diao as shocking as this is`
`00:14.16`	`Shadowed`	`2s and 3s aren't balanced`
`00:14.19`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: IT NEEDS TO. SO BADLY.`
`00:14.31`	`buu`	`Shadowed: Blizzard is obviously too cool to balance things.`
`00:14.36`	`Ellipsis`	`omg get over it, you made the guy pop his freaking cooldown`
`00:14.42`	`buu`	`Ellipsis: Fuck no.`
`00:14.43`	`Ellipsis`	`1.5sec cast and you has yourself another UA`
`00:14.45`	`buu`	`I want them to DIE.`
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`00:15.00`	`buu`	`I just spent 41 talent points so people DIE when they remove my dots`
`00:15.04`	`buu`	`But they can do it for free anyway!`
`00:15.06`	`Shadowed`	`No, they already said that they won't deal with balancing it.....thats the ENTIRE reason why you don't get the same points as 5vs5.`
`00:15.31`	`buu`	`Shadowed: Yes, but hopefully they'll eventually wake up and realize they're wrong.`
`00:15.40`	`Shadowed`	`...`
`00:15.56`	`Shadowed`	`Yes, clearly Blizzard should go make entirely new mechanics for each arena bracket just so it's 100% balanced in all of them.`
`00:16.02`	`buu`	`Excellent.`
`00:16.04`	`Shadowed`	`Infact, while we're at it`
`00:16.05`	`buu`	`When will it be done?`
`00:16.08`	`Shadowed`	`lets remove all unique spells`
`00:16.16`	`buu`	`Can we have sniper rifles next?`
`00:21.28`	`Aenslaed`	`ugh, I hate how armory crashes firefox sometimes`
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`00:23.18`	`NeoTron`	`armory sucks`
`00:23.25`	`NeoTron`	`it's useful, but implementation is horrid`
`00:26.03`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yeah, i wrote a commandline program to use it`
`00:26.13`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i'm a million times happier now`
`00:27.10`	`Ellipsis`	`that sounds kinda sexy`
`00:27.39`	`Aenslaed`	`Yeah. Really needs a barebones version of armory. None of this search for an upgrade crap or displaying a guild list when not asked to`
`00:28.05`	`Ellipsis`	`it's really sad but I find that most third-party websites that interface with the armory are a billion times easier to use to get the information I want anyway`
`00:28.31`	`buu`	`Yeah.`
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`00:32.07`	`NeoTron`	`problem is`
`00:32.13`	`Wobwork`	`it's a good thing that Blizzard offered the xml`
`00:32.16`	`NeoTron`	`often the third party sites (i.e wowjutsu) are really slow`
`00:32.21`	`NeoTron`	`because armory itselfi s slow or down`
`00:32.24`	`Wobwork`	`because that's really the best solution`
`00:32.33`	`Wobwork`	`Blizzard can't offer the 'omg do everything' version`
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`00:32.42`	`Wobwork`	`so they open the xml template up`
`00:32.47`	`Aenslaed`	`whats a good alternative to armory?`
`00:32.47`	`Wobwork`	`and let other sites do the work for them`
`00:32.51`	`NeoTron`	`xml is good. I don't know how good it is to use client side XML/XSLT transformation`
`00:32.54`	`Wobwork`	`Much like how they have with the UI`
`00:33.02`	`buu`	`NeoTron: Yeah I'm not sold on that one either.`
`00:33.09`	`Wobwork`	`They obviously can't cater to everyone's specific UI`
`00:33.17`	`NeoTron`	`wowhead allows you to get xml by appending &xml`
`00:33.18`	`Wobwork`	`so they open the API and let us roll our own`
`00:33.21`	`NeoTron`	`tha tis a better solution`
`00:35.34`	`Ellipsis`	`Wobwork: yeah, that would make sense if their implementation catered to the lowest common denominator`
`00:35.51`	`Ellipsis`	`but the armory fails via javascript ugliness`
`00:36.14`	`Stanzilla`	`+ broken fonts`
`00:36.33`	`Ellipsis`	`+ numerous browser-specific bugs (not the least of which is the infamous firefox lockup)`
`00:37.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`or the server side bugs`
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`00:37.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`!c us burning legion tokrim`
`00:37.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`!c us burning legion tokrim`
`00:38.42`	`ThraeBot`	`Arrowmaster: Tokrim, Level 70 Orc Warlock (42/0/19). 8780 HP; 7465 Mana; 109 mana regen; 67 spell crit; 158 spell hit; 869 +spell dmg; 233 frost dmg (1102); 368 shadow dmg (1237); 4.24% dodge; 18 resilience;[[ TBR: 935 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2c9o3f ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/37je8e ][ Updated: Thu Dec 6 19:39:37 2007 EST ]]`
`00:39.02`	`khangg`	`:o that's cool`
`00:39.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah my armory page hasnt updated in 2 months now`
`00:39.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`gg`
`00:39.13`	`khangg`	`!c us rexxar jayyjayy`
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`00:40.36`	`khangg`	`!c us rexxar jayyjayy`
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`00:41.11`	`CIA-12`	`03paene * r56663 10Cryolysis2/Cryolysis2.lua:`
`00:41.11`	`CIA-12`	`Cryolysis2:`
`00:41.11`	`CIA-12`	`-Initial spell message coding (not functional yet)`
`00:41.12`	`CIA-12`	`-Fixed a bug where menus would appear when hiding or showing any button`
`00:43.34`	`Zhinjio`	`Good evening, folks.`
`00:44.17`	`khangg`	`hihi`
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`00:56.28`	`Xinhuan`	`i have an interesting taint`
`00:56.35`	`Xinhuan`	`can someone try this out?`
`00:57.05`	`Xinhuan`	`pokes at anyone awake`
`00:57.15`	`durcyn`	`no, go away.`
`00:57.21`	`Xinhuan`	`:(`
`00:57.50`	`Xinhuan`	`what you need to do is, first make sure your NumLock is off`
`00:58.13`	`Xinhuan`	`next, shift-click a stack of something, such as bandages`
`00:58.41`	`Xinhuan`	`when the stack-split frame pops up, hold down the numpad "2" button, and press numpad enter`
`00:58.45`	`Xinhuan`	`what happens?`
`00:59.35`	`khangg`	`Xinhuan, mine says zmail is blocking me from doing something`
`00:59.49`	`Xinhuan`	`mine says bags_and_merchants is blocking me`
`00:59.58`	`Xinhuan`	`i disabled that and now it says Ace2 is blocking`
`01:00.00`	`Diao`	`i get the strangest blocked taint things`
`01:00.05`	`Diao`	`like one time i tried to /tar name`
`01:00.08`	`Diao`	`when the person was out of range`
`01:00.15`	`Diao`	`and it said wim was blocking it`
`01:00.21`	`Diao`	`so i disable that and it jumps to another addon`
`01:00.23`	`Diao`	`but once i move into range`
`01:00.24`	`Stanzilla`	`Diao: I get that one, too :P`
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`01:00.28`	`Diao`	`it works just fine`
`01:00.32`	`Xinhuan`	`ok but try mine out`
`01:00.36`	`Diao`	`kk`
`01:00.37`	`Xinhuan`	`does yours get blocked?`
`01:00.46`	`Diao`	`1 sec`
`01:00.49`	`Diao`	`rezzing at battlegrounds atm`
`01:00.53`	`Diao`	`my alt priest dies too much :(`
`01:01.11`	`Diao`	`nope`
`01:01.12`	`Diao`	`works fine for me o_O`
`01:01.35`	`Xinhuan`	`did you hold down numpad2 when you press enter?`
`01:01.40`	`Xinhuan`	`and is your numlock off`
`01:01.46`	`Diao`	`oh hold it down`
`01:01.47`	`Diao`	`1 sec`
`01:01.53`	`Diao`	`oh`
`01:01.58`	`Diao`	`yeah now it gives me pitbull blocked`
`01:02.02`	`Xinhuan`	`rofl`
`01:02.03`	`Diao`	`lol`
`01:02.09`	`Diao`	`i was just hitting 2 and then pressing enter`
`01:02.11`	`Diao`	`not holding it down`
`01:02.14`	`kadrahil`	`man, are all alliance this dense?`
`01:02.20`	`kadrahil`	`some 20 hunter asks me to go to VC`
`01:02.34`	`kadrahil`	`i said no, i'm about to log when i finish this quest`
`01:02.47`	`kadrahil`	`he invited me to a party anyway so i declined :/`
`01:03.05`	`Xinhuan`	`so this taint is near impossible to track now, hmm`
`01:03.06`	`Cyrez`	`I'm so done with VC.`
`01:03.12`	`Cyrez`	`Too many n00bs.`
`01:03.19`	`kadrahil`	`i'm skipping it completely`
`01:03.21`	`kadrahil`	`for that reason`
`01:03.30`	`Xinhuan`	`should have accepted`
`01:03.35`	`Xinhuan`	`and alt-f4 logged`
`01:05.42`	`Diao`	`man`
`01:05.48`	`Diao`	`i do battlegrounds at least once a day before instancing now`
`01:05.51`	`Diao`	`cause there's almost always a mage`
`01:05.56`	`Diao`	`= free refreshments :D`
`01:07.10`	`Antiarc`	`rofl`
`01:07.12`	`Antiarc`	`queue AV`
`01:07.14`	`Antiarc`	`Get in`
`01:07.18`	`Antiarc`	`Loot an entire bag of food`
`01:07.20`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:07.35`	`Xinhuan`	`Antiarc, try my taint`
`01:07.47`	`Antiarc`	`......`
`01:07.49`	`Xinhuan`	`what addon does it report for you?`
`01:08.05`	`Xinhuan`	`my guildies say pitbull and ct_mailmod lol`
`01:08.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Baggins here`
`01:08.29`	`Xinhuan`	`i got bags_and_merchant`
`01:08.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and it was an old-style taint message pop-up`
`01:08.53`	`Xinhuan`	`exactly`
`01:08.55`	`Xinhuan`	`why?`
`01:08.58`	`hyperChipmunk`	`"protected function" kind`
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`01:09.22`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't see any addons hooking splitstacking`
`01:09.52`	`Gngsk`	`buy 'em all?`
`01:11.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it happens with the arrow-key too`
`01:12.06`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, any arrow key`
`01:12.23`	`Xinhuan`	`i merely used "numpad2" as the example with numlock off`
`01:12.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`probably because arrow keys can be used to select quantities`
`01:12.52`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah but still`
`01:12.54`	`Diao`	`i just got myReputation`
`01:12.56`	`Diao`	`on this try`
`01:13.04`	`Xinhuan`	`this doesn't have any link to any addon?`
`01:13.09`	`Xinhuan`	`the stack call chain`
`01:13.18`	`Xinhuan`	`doesn't even get tainted`
`01:13.22`	`Keias`	`I'm the asshole that jacks the whole refreshment table`
`01:13.32`	`Keias`	`Like I always log off with like 700 biscuits left :(`
`01:13.37`	`kadrahil`	`lol`
`01:13.37`	`Xinhuan`	`the code in default ui runs this`
`01:13.38`	`Xinhuan`	`RunBinding(GetBindingAction(key), "up");`
`01:13.45`	`kadrahil`	`i did that a couple of times`
`01:13.49`	`kadrahil`	`now i just get 2 or 3 stacks`
`01:14.29`	`Xinhuan`	`but taint log doesn't even list any execution taint`
`01:14.53`	`kadrahil`	`this freaking pridewings of stonetalon quest`
`01:14.58`	`kadrahil`	`worst drop rate evar`
`01:15.37`	`Keias`	`Worst drop rate used to belong to the Zombie Raptors in Arathi :(`
`01:15.42`	`Keias`	`But they fixed them after about 3 years`
`01:15.45`	`NeoTron`	`so it's good to be a t6 guild looking for a few members on a server where a t6 guild just fell apart`
`01:15.49`	`NeoTron`	`I suppost`
`01:15.57`	`kadrahil`	`great`
`01:16.01`	`kadrahil`	`i just lagged off wow mid fight`
`01:16.03`	`kadrahil`	`noooooooooo`
`01:16.17`	`Keias`	`now you're gunna log in dead :(`
`01:16.20`	`kadrahil`	`time to log back in daed`
`01:16.21`	`kadrahil`	`daed`
`01:16.21`	`kadrahil`	`yeah`
`01:16.23`	`kadrahil`	`dead`
`01:16.29`	`NeoTron`	`why?`
`01:16.41`	`kadrahil`	`ahaha i knew it`
`01:16.43`	`kadrahil`	`piece of crap`
`01:31.36`	`kadrahil`	`xgfg`
`01:31.41`	`kadrahil`	`what is up with my connection`
`01:36.38`	`JoshBorke`	`it's n00bing out just like you`
`01:36.50`	`Zhinjio`	`hyperChipmunk .... I had some error in BM2I for you.`
`01:36.57`	`Zhinjio`	`need to remeber what the heck it was`
`01:37.16`	`Zhinjio`	`ah yes.`
`01:37.20`	`Zhinjio`	`I think I remember.`
`01:37.37`	`Zhinjio`	`but I don't have the pastey with the bugsack text in it anymore`
`01:37.53`	`Zhinjio`	`I did a Take All, leaving the only remaninig message being a "Sale Pending" mail`
`01:37.57`	`Zhinjio`	`it barfed.`
`01:38.25`	`NeoTron`	`BM2 is a bit flaky... but works ok`
`01:38.37`	`NeoTron`	`I probably should record and report the bugs I get sometimes`
`01:38.40`	`Zhinjio`	`it works great for me, with the exception of a few edge conditions.`
`01:38.58`	`Zhinjio`	`I especially love when I have a TON of mail, and can take whole bunches at once`
`01:39.02`	`NeoTron`	`sometimes "take all" doesn't do anything until you close and open the mailbox`
`01:39.11`	`Zhinjio`	`I had like 15 full crates of crap, over 100 items`
`01:39.15`	`Zhinjio`	`and it worked great.`
`01:40.04`	`Zhinjio`	`darnit. I always seem to miss him`
`01:47.23`	`Xinhuan`	`Antiarc: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10259.0;topicseen`
`01:47.58`	`Antiarc`	`Thanks`
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`01:56.07`	`Keias`	`Xinhuan, Alliance queues still instant for AV?`
`01:56.08`	`bigzero`	`ck!`
`01:56.12`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`01:56.29`	`Antiarc`	`They should make Murlocs a playable race. I've always wanted a fish tank.`
`01:56.33`	`bigzero`	`i have questions for you :-) noone else seems to know or care to answer`
`01:57.10`	`Keias`	`:(`
`01:57.14`	`Keias`	`Horde is up to 40 mins`
`01:57.39`	`Xinhuan`	`heh, bigzero comes to pester about dewdrop parenting again :)`
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`01:59.49`	`kenlyric`	`Antiarc: 2 internet awarded for pun.`
`02:02.55`	`Gngsk`	`vhaarr, ping`
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`02:10.43`	`kergoth`	`guh, finding food for my hunter's bat is a pain`
`02:12.20`	`Xinhuan`	`reroll warlock`
`02:12.31`	`xyu`	`tame a pig`
`02:12.34`	`xyu`	`they eat anything`
`02:12.37`	`xyu`	`conjured items ftw`
`02:12.55`	`NeoTron`	`kergoth: long live pigs`
`02:12.57`	`Aeyan`	`Power to the pig`
`02:13.10`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll poly pig your pet`
`02:13.12`	`NeoTron`	`I especially like feeding my pig boar mea`
`02:13.13`	`NeoTron`	`meat`
`02:14.22`	`kergoth`	`yeah i love boars, my horde suramar hunter's primary pet is a boar, but figured id' try something different leveling this alliance one, so swam to tirisfal and got rassan`
`02:14.24`	`vhaarr`	`Gngsk: pong`
`02:14.59`	`Aeyan`	`Your pig must swallow another pig, to gain the power of TWO pigs.`
`02:22.19`	`Toadkiller`	`no it needs to swallow a bear which swallowed a man`
`02:22.59`	`Aeyan`	`Hehe`
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`02:24.20`	`Aeyan`	`My Pancake subsisted mainly off the flesh of his fallen brethren because I'd killed a ton of this waiting for his fat ass to spawn.`
`02:24.29`	`Aeyan`	`*ton of them`
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`02:28.19`	`Aeyan`	`Plus I couldn't get that Machall comic out of my head at the time`
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`02:35.54`	`Gngsk`	`vhaarr, I was wondering how you felt about adding an option to errormonster to output non filtered messages via sinklib`
`02:39.27`	`Neebler`	`My Loony Bun is Fine Benny Lava!`
`02:48.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"You don't like reporters, do you?" "Of course I do, properly cooked."`
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`03:06.38`	`CIA-12`	`03siz * r56664 10JewelTips/JewelTips.lua:`
`03:06.38`	`CIA-12`	`JewelTips:`
`03:06.38`	`CIA-12`	`- Simplified code a bit.`
`03:06.38`	`CIA-12`	`- Mousing over the button for uncached permanent enchant items will now change the icon right away.`
`03:06.38`	`CIA-12`	`- Use OnTooltipCleared instead of OnTooltipSetSpell to clear the buttons.`
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`03:18.00`	`Chexsum`	`my new box is being built ;)`
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`03:19.41`	`Chexsum`	`Asus P5N-E SLI board, Q6600 Quad, 4G of 667Mhz RAM, 2x500G 7200 RPM SATA in Raid0, 8800 GT video, Asus 22" LCD, G15 KB, 64bit Vista... :)))`
`03:20.03`	`Diao`	`667mhz? :(`
`03:20.26`	`Chexsum`	`yeah it only support something/667/800 and they had no 800 in stock`
`03:20.45`	`Diao`	`533?`
`03:20.52`	`Chexsum`	`its 10 times as good as my curent computer so i dont care`
`03:21.12`	`Chexsum`	`all for 2800 Aussie dollars`
`03:21.34`	`Diao`	`ah`
`03:21.39`	`Chexsum`	`hope they get it together tonight!`
`03:25.14`	`Chexsum`	`they wanted me to wait 5 days to pick up lol`
`03:25.26`	`Chexsum`	`i said ill go buy a mac instead if they make me wait :P`
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`03:27.14`	`Diao`	`o_O`
`03:27.19`	`Diao`	`are they that desperate for customers ;p`
`03:28.04`	`Chexsum`	`nah theyre a busy shop`
`03:28.42`	`Chexsum`	`i flashed my cash and they succumbed`
`03:28.56`	`Keias`	`lol`
`03:29.04`	`Chexsum`	`5 days is pathetic!`
`03:29.11`	`Keias`	`I wouldn't really get a mac desktop though :(`
`03:29.18`	`Keias`	`But a powerbook <3`
`03:29.25`	`Keias`	`well macbook pro, rather`
`03:29.41`	`Chexsum`	`i like macs just because of osx`
`03:29.53`	`Chexsum`	`ive got ubuntu 7.10 for this new computer`
`03:30.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the only real problem with mac pros is the price ><`
`03:30.08`	`Chexsum`	`cant wait to get back to linux`
`03:30.18`	`Chexsum`	`yeah theyre not cheap`
`03:30.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`granted, i'm still going to buy one, but`
`03:30.27`	`Chexsum`	`and you cant upgrade`
`03:30.48`	`Chexsum`	`man i love the look of the new macs though`
`03:30.56`	`Chexsum`	`alloy instead of plastic`
`03:31.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`depends on what you want to upgrade`
`03:31.13`	`Diao`	`lol`
`03:31.14`	`Chexsum`	`might get ont of their keyboards eventually`
`03:31.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and by that, i mean, you can upgrade everything but the mobo/processor`
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`03:31.43`	`Keias`	`Yeah, I love OSX also`
`03:31.50`	`Keias`	`I miss my old mac laptop :(`
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`03:32.07`	`Tinyboom`	`Paene: ping`
`03:32.10`	`Keias`	`I'd love to get a 17" macbook pro, but that's $3,000 USD I don't have to spend atm`
`03:33.30`	`Mudkipz`	`3,000`
`03:33.32`	`Mudkipz`	`l o l`
`03:34.40`	`Mudkipz`	`o shi-`
`03:34.40`	`Mudkipz`	`look what i've done`
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`03:34.40`	`Mudkipz`	`wb`
`03:34.40`	`CIA-12`	`03siz * r56665 10JewelTips/JewelTips.lua:`
`03:34.41`	`CIA-12`	`JewelTips:`
`03:34.41`	`CIA-12`	`- Update the lines in the ItemRefTooltip when new permanent enchant items are brought into your cache.`
`03:37.29`	`Chexsum`	`do you guys think a new system needs ups? they said i should get one :\`
`03:37.49`	`kenlyric`	`uhhhh`
`03:38.13`	`kenlyric`	`age isn't really a criteria for ups need`
`03:38.46`	`Mudkipz`	`really depends on what you do`
`03:38.58`	`Mudkipz`	`I would use a UPS if I dealt with a lot of sensitive data`
`03:39.14`	`Chexsum`	`ive got a 200 dollar 5 point thing with fuse in it - hope thats enough if theres a blackout`
`03:39.29`	`Chexsum`	`bleh i didnt think id need it`
`03:39.38`	`Chexsum`	`salespeople are liars`
`03:39.40`	`Xinhuan`	`if your power supply unit is any good, you won't even need it`
`03:39.43`	`Mudkipz`	`I mean.. I haven't had a blackout here in ages`
`03:39.44`	`Xinhuan`	`the fuse that is`
`03:40.06`	`Mudkipz`	`salespeople... are like all the same`
`03:40.18`	`kenlyric`	`Mudkipz: not even a flicker? a brownout, nothing?`
`03:40.22`	`Mudkipz`	`they're there for sell something and they'll tell you anything you want to hear`
`03:40.43`	`Mudkipz`	`kenlyric, there was probably a few, but nothing significant!`
`03:40.52`	`Mudkipz`	`I would remember it otherwise`
`03:41.00`	`Mudkipz`	`just... like... highschool graduation`
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`03:41.29`	`kenlyric`	`mostly it's me coming home and finding the computer off.`
`03:41.57`	`kenlyric`	`and sometimes the stove's time is reset.`
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`03:47.58`	`Chexsum`	`welcome to #netsplit`
`03:48.39`	`CIA-12`	`03funkydude * r56666 10BasicChatMods/sticky.lua: BasicChatMods: make the sticky module actually work.`
`03:52.43`	`Stanzilla`	`teh evil number`
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`03:56.36`	`RogueShadow`	`Revelation 13:16-18`
`03:57.01`	`CIA-12`	`03funkydude * r56667 10BasicChatMods/justify.lua: BasicChatMods: cleanup justify module, add some help docs`
`03:58.52`	`Wobwork`	`He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.`
`03:59.10`	`CIA-12`	`03joshborke 07Ace3 * r56668 10RaidCast/ (RaidCast.lua RaidCast.toc RaidCast_Config.lua): RaidCast: more options stuff, wtf is it locking wow?`
`03:59.30`	Funkeh`	`Wobwork, you try too hard sometimes, /hug`
`04:01.37`	`Wobwork`	`^^`
`04:01.46`	`Wobwork`	`The internet allows all of us to appear intelligent`
`04:02.35`	`Stanzilla`	`:D`
`04:03.03`	`kergoth`	`what's raidcast?`
`04:03.14`	`kergoth`	Funkeh`: that like simplechatmods/mumble/etc?
`04:03.23`	Funkeh`	`yar`
`04:03.29`	`kergoth`	`nifty`
`04:03.32`	Funkeh`	`but BASIC`
`04:03.38`	`kergoth`	`:P`
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`04:04.01`	`Wobwork`	`Better than Visual BASIC`
`04:04.05`	`Xinhuan`	`what features does it have?`
`04:04.11`	`Wobwork`	`but only cause we give it leeway for being old`
`04:04.16`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't actually use any chat mods atm`
`04:04.55`	Funkeh`	`Xinhuan, http://wowace.com/wiki/BasicChatMods`
`04:05.01`	`Xinhuan`	`ok`
`04:05.48`	`Xinhuan`	`each of those things are optional yea?`
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`04:06.20`	Funkeh`	`no in game options`
`04:06.40`	Funkeh`	`but they are all split into different files so you can just uncomment what you don't want in the toc`
`04:06.46`	Funkeh`	`comment, rather`
`04:06.51`	`Xinhuan`	`ah, ok`
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`04:07.39`	`xyu`	`Hmm Is there any option for Bigwigs to tell the healers in the raid which players are lower than 8500HP for High Warlord Naj'entus?`
`04:07.56`	Funkeh`	`xyu, BigWigs_NajAssist`
`04:07.59`	`Xinhuan`	`xyu, its in a separate downloadable module`
`04:08.52`	`Xinhuan`	`also note its fairly basic, and doesn't attempt to take into account buffs liks PW:S, ice barrier, frost ward, etc`
`04:09.05`	`Chexsum`	`sounds like something thatd be useful to add to pitbull`
`04:09.24`	`Chexsum`	`make a line for 8500hp`
`04:09.44`	`Chexsum`	`healers stare at healthbars!`
`04:12.26`	`JoshBorke`	`kergoth: raid cast bars`
`04:12.59`	`JoshBorke`	`but for some reason the options are locknig me up`
`04:13.32`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`04:14.41`	`JoshBorke`	`kergoth: dunno if you ever saw HealWatch but it's basically that generalized`
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`04:15.53`	`CIA-12`	`03joshborke 07Ace3 * r56669 10RaidCast/RaidCast_Config.lua: RaidCast: committing stuff so i can file a report, no idea what is going on`
`04:17.54`	`CIA-12`	`03joshborke 07Ace3 * r56670 10RaidCast/RaidCast_Config.lua: RaidCast: added comments to the bugs`
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`04:20.28`	`CIA-12`	`03wobin 07Ace3 * r56671 10MrPlow/: MrPlow - Moving to Ace3 subfolder`
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`04:22.19`	`CIA-12`	`03wobin * r56672 10/branches/MrPlow/ (Ace3/Libs/ Wobin/Libs/): MrPlow - Moving folders and files`
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`04:22.47`	`CIA-12`	`03wobin * r56673 10/branches/MrPlow/ (Ace3/Locale/ Wobin/Locale/): MrPlow - Moving folders/files`
`04:22.57`	`Chexsum`	`how far away is ace3 from completion ?`
`04:23.23`	`CIA-12`	`03wobin * r56674 10/branches/MrPlow/ (Ace3/MrPlow.lua Wobin/MrPlow.lua): MrPlow - Moving folders/files`
`04:23.24`	`Wobwork`	`bah`
`04:23.28`	`Wobwork`	`I should have just renamed the folder =P`
`04:23.34`	`Wobwork`	`ah well`
`04:23.39`	`CIA-12`	`03wobin * r56675 10/branches/MrPlow/ (Ace3/icon.tga Wobin/icon.tga): MrPlow - Moving folders/files`
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`04:23.50`	`Chexsum`	`lol`
`04:23.52`	`Wobwork`	`Chexsum: It's currently in beta`
`04:23.52`	Funkeh`	`rofl`
`04:23.56`	`CIA-12`	`03wobin * r56676 10/branches/MrPlow/ (Ace3/MrPlow.toc Wobin/MrPlow.toc): MrPlow - Moving folders/files`
`04:24.18`	`Chexsum`	`slashignore CIA-12!`
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`04:25.12`	`Xinhuan`	`wobin i hate you`
`04:25.14`	`Xinhuan`	`:)`
`04:25.51`	`Wobwork`	`hm`
`04:25.55`	`Wobwork`	`Can I undo this? =P`
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`04:28.00`	`Wobwork`	`It's not as if the netsplits aren't causing more spam =P`
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`04:28.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`get a real client`
`04:28.22`	`Wobwork`	`Why?`
`04:28.26`	`RaydenUni`	`mages are odd`
`04:28.32`	`Wobwork`	`This way I can blame the netsplit for causing more spam`
`04:28.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so you don't get spammed by ...lol`
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`04:33.13`	`EasterWatermelon`	`Hi guys`
`04:33.26`	`EasterWatermelon`	`Any word on the new Antagonist?`
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`05:10.38`	`Wobwork`	`Mitosis`
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`05:14.07`	`RaydenUni`	`hmm`
`05:14.11`	`RaydenUni`	`so rebuild disc tree`
`05:14.17`	`RaydenUni`	`what do you think it will bring to raids?`
`05:14.24`	`RaydenUni`	`you wouldn't use it for healing`
`05:14.29`	`RaydenUni`	`you wouldn't use it for dps`
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`05:14.39`	`RaydenUni`	`you would use it for... tanking`
`05:14.47`	`RaydenUni`	`some new utility?`
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`05:15.00`	Funkeh`	`you mean survivability?`
`05:15.15`	`Chexsum`	`you can get pvp stuff from disc and still get surge of light and spirit talents for raiding`
`05:15.20`	`Chexsum`	`so it can dps`
`05:15.35`	Funkeh`	`I was pewpew holy fire when I was leveling 60-70`
`05:15.37`	Funkeh`	`was awesome`
`05:15.50`	`kadrahil`	`noob question`
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`05:16.04`	Funkeh`	`back when the latent was bugged`
`05:16.09`	Funkeh`	`and you could proc crits`
`05:16.09`	`Chexsum`	`i outdps everyone when specd holy dps`
`05:16.10`	`kadrahil`	`shaman wear mail after 40 correct? like the other classes that get armor upgrades at 40...`
`05:16.19`	`Chexsum`	`it just requires a lot of pots on a boss fight`
`05:16.41`	`RaydenUni`	`Chexsum blizzard has said they don't want one tree to be pvp and one tree to be pve`
`05:16.42`	`Chexsum`	`the new sol is awesome for dpm`
`05:17.04`	`RaydenUni`	`yes kadrahil`
`05:17.09`	`kenlyric`	`kadrahil: just like hunters.`
`05:17.22`	`kadrahil`	`kenlyric: yeah`
`05:17.28`	`kenlyric`	`except shammies need the armor more.`
`05:17.28`	`kadrahil`	`yeah`
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`05:17.42`	`kadrahil`	`my main is a hunter, i feel like i'm learning the game all over again by rerolling :(`
`05:17.42`	`Chexsum`	`full disc is good for keeping raid health up`
`05:17.46`	`RaydenUni`	`lol`
`05:17.52`	`RaydenUni`	`disc switching to melee priest`
`05:17.54`	`Chexsum`	`it ef sucks for mt healing`
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`05:18.26`	`Elgrim`	`disc makes the priest more like a paladin`
`05:18.28`	`RaydenUni`	`which sort of makes sense if you look at any priest/monk class in any game`
`05:18.32`	`Elgrim`	`random healer, not good MT healer`
`05:18.37`	`Elgrim`	`just like paladin`
`05:18.58`	`RaydenUni`	`what if the disc priest was a buffing class?`
`05:18.59`	`Elgrim`	`except for the mana situation....`
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`05:19.07`	`RaydenUni`	`lots of low duration buffs`
`05:19.16`	`Elgrim`	`thats a paladin already.`
`05:19.16`	`Chexsum`	`if they took out the wand cooldown junk itd be a really nice heal/dps tree`
`05:19.23`	`RaydenUni`	`no, like 5-10 second buffs`
`05:19.24`	`kadrahil`	`!c us stormreaver kadrahil`
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`05:19.27`	`RaydenUni`	`so you have to cast them in battle`
`05:19.32`	`Elgrim`	`ah`
`05:19.32`	`Chexsum`	`or gave disc a taent like JoW`
`05:19.37`	`RaydenUni`	`JoW?`
`05:19.40`	`kadrahil`	`err`
`05:19.42`	`RaydenUni`	`OR!`
`05:19.42`	`Elgrim`	`judge of wisdom`
`05:19.46`	`Chexsum`	`judgement of wisdom`
`05:19.50`	`RaydenUni`	`make the disc priest a balanced offense/defense priest`
`05:19.57`	`RaydenUni`	`like the archmage is supposed to be in warhammer online`
`05:20.02`	`RaydenUni`	`that is such a cool idea i think :)`
`05:20.09`	`kenlyric`	`try making the holy priest an actual holy priest?`
`05:20.10`	`dylanm`	`Wisdom is crap compared to VT. It's complete crap.`
`05:20.13`	`Elgrim`	`and. disc priest should be the most mana efficient healer imo.`
`05:20.20`	`Elgrim`	`but. not have the biggest heals`
`05:20.26`	`Chexsum`	`shamans are insane for healing atm`
`05:20.26`	`RaydenUni`	`disc priest has to balance attacking and healing and buffing in combat`
`05:20.32`	`kadrahil`	`<- rerolling shaman`
`05:20.34`	`Chexsum`	`they use no mana and outheal everything`
`05:20.36`	`kadrahil`	`but i want to raid enhance :(`
`05:20.39`	`Elgrim`	`mana efficent, lowduration buffer etc. would be cool`
`05:20.50`	`kadrahil`	`and pvp elemental`
`05:21.10`	`Elgrim`	`hey guys. any of you guys know of a raidui that gives me raidframes looking just like the blizzard theme? Like the party frame`
`05:21.11`	`RaydenUni`	`you could have short buffs for increased dps, increased healing, increased armor/dodge`
`05:21.16`	`Chexsum`	`enhance is better for pvp imo`
`05:21.24`	`kadrahil`	`er, arena?`
`05:21.25`	`Xuerian`	`Elgrim: Good lord that'd take up a lot of space`
`05:21.32`	`Elgrim`	`yea well I got it`
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`05:21.34`	`Chexsum`	`i dont go near enhancment shaman on my priest`
`05:21.37`	`Elgrim`	`24" widescreen`
`05:21.38`	`Chexsum`	`they destroy`
`05:22.01`	`MentalPower`	`CAIRENN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`05:22.11`	`Elgrim`	`Hey Xuerian`
`05:22.18`	`Xuerian`	`Hey what?`
`05:22.20`	`Elgrim`	`it can be smaller in scale :D just the same theme`
`05:22.25`	`Chexsum`	`DISCIPLNE FORM!!@!`
`05:22.42`	`RaydenUni`	`it would be cool if they tried something really wacky with the disc tree to experiment`
`05:22.44`	`Elgrim`	`Im so used to playing with the Ace frames like pitbull and stuff. Im making a blizzard theme UI for once :D`
`05:22.54`	`Elgrim`	`and im looking for fit raidframes`
`05:22.54`	`RaydenUni`	`because as it is, Holy and Shadow are pretty viable and Disc is already... wtf?`
`05:23.07`	`Chexsum`	`just use pitbull :P`
`05:23.08`	`Xuerian`	`Elgrim: No idea.`
`05:23.21`	`Elgrim`	`blizzard have mentioned in their forum that the disc three is broken. and they are experimenting with it.`
`05:23.26`	`Elgrim`	`there will be changes`
`05:23.52`	`Elgrim`	`priest is a broken class atm`
`05:23.59`	`Elgrim`	`many top guilds dont even use heal priests`
`05:24.06`	`Elgrim`	`blizzard will fix.`
`05:24.08`	`RaydenUni`	`shadow is fine`
`05:24.10`	`Elgrim`	`yeah`
`05:24.14`	`Elgrim`	`shadow is fine`
`05:24.26`	`RaydenUni`	`i really hope Disc isn't really focused on healing`
`05:24.28`	`Elgrim`	`but now with the mp5 buff. shadowpriests will be less needed in raids`
`05:24.42`	`RaydenUni`	`now i'm excited about an offensive, defensive, low duration buff disc`
`05:24.54`	`Elgrim`	`would be cool`
`05:24.58`	`Elgrim`	`post to blizzard`
`05:25.00`	`Elgrim`	`i like the idea`
`05:25.14`	`RaydenUni`	`if i did, i'd rather think about it a while first`
`05:25.17`	`RaydenUni`	`come up with some examples`
`05:25.20`	`Chexsum`	`priests have enough trouble with GCD :(`
`05:25.30`	`Elgrim`	`they already have stuff like power infusion and pain suppression for low duration buffs. but I know what you mean`
`05:25.39`	`Elgrim`	`lots of buffs, and not 15min CDs`
`05:25.46`	`RaydenUni`	`i can't really think of anything besides dmg buff, armor buff, etc`
`05:25.58`	`Elgrim`	`mana regen buff?`
`05:26.02`	`RaydenUni`	`hmm`
`05:26.04`	`RaydenUni`	`yeah`
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`05:26.11`	`RaydenUni`	`would be sort of like totems i guess`
`05:26.13`	`RaydenUni`	`but they are buffs`
`05:26.18`	`Elgrim`	`yea`
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`05:26.38`	`RaydenUni`	`so they would do more on a single target, but will require recasting`
`05:26.47`	`Elgrim`	`yea`
`05:26.47`	`RaydenUni`	`the problem is...`
`05:26.48`	`RaydenUni`	`this would require all new spells`
`05:26.58`	`RaydenUni`	`PWS is already like it though`
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`05:27.13`	`RaydenUni`	`they could change Fear Ward easily enough`
`05:27.15`	`Elgrim`	`more power word spells`
`05:27.16`	`Elgrim`	`would be cool`
`05:27.56`	`Elgrim`	`power word: damnation. Instantly kill selected hostile foe.`
`05:28.02`	`Elgrim`	`thats what they need`
`05:28.06`	`RaydenUni`	`lol`
`05:28.18`	`Gngsk`	`power word stuff is good, not bad`
`05:28.20`	`RaydenUni`	`"temporarily turns into a warlock and kills everything in sight"`
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`05:28.39`	`Elgrim`	`also but debuff on a corpse making it unable to recover his spirit for 1 hour.`
`05:28.42`	`Elgrim`	`THAT I would like`
`05:28.44`	`Elgrim`	`hahahhaa`
`05:28.49`	`Elgrim`	`no ress for u bitch!`
`05:29.18`	`Chexsum`	`i dont see why we cant have a non channelled mc`
`05:29.18`	`Chexsum`	`thatd help a lot in pvp`
`05:29.18`	`Elgrim`	`or`
`05:29.19`	`Chexsum`	`everyone else has one`
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`05:29.24`	`Elgrim`	`get a buff for like 1 minute of invulnerability when they MC`
`05:29.33`	`Elgrim`	`like a shield`
`05:29.36`	`RaydenUni`	`what sort of buffs?`
`05:29.53`	`Chexsum`	`nah thats overpowered`
`05:30.00`	`Chexsum`	`we just need a cyclone :P`
`05:30.09`	*** join/#wowace xyu` (n=blahblah@c-71-205-176-243.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
`05:30.22`	`Chexsum`	`fade dropping target would be good also`
`05:30.47`	`RaydenUni`	`lowering aggro?`
`05:30.49`	`RaydenUni`	`that would be nice`
`05:30.50`	`Chexsum`	`sleep + better fade and priests are fixed!`
`05:30.55`	`*** join/#wowace Tain (n=tain@c-24-218-72-243.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`05:30.56`	`kenlyric`	`Chexsum: did you make your email in the thread?`
`05:31.05`	`kenlyric`	`err, post in the thread`
`05:31.15`	`Chexsum`	`what thread`
`05:31.31`	`kenlyric`	`fail?`
`05:31.34`	`Chexsum`	`lol`
`05:31.52`	`kenlyric`	`blizzard is asking for class feedback in all the class forums.`
`05:31.55`	`Chexsum`	`has blizzard asked what we need again ?`
`05:32.08`	`RaydenUni`	`they want you to list your biggest complaints for you class`
`05:32.11`	`RaydenUni`	`so not a discussion`
`05:32.18`	`Chexsum`	`they ignore priest feedback`
`05:32.23`	`kenlyric`	`in a fairly organized fashion, though as usual the epic second grade writing skills of the WoW community are coming through.`
`05:32.38`	`CIA-12`	`03dfscott * r56686 10AzuarcLevelGuide/ALGChap_20.lua:`
`05:32.38`	`CIA-12`	`AzuarcLevelGuide:`
`05:32.38`	`CIA-12`	`- Remove empty scene from Act 20`
`05:32.39`	`aestil`	`that mindflay is 26 yards, breaks on dmg, can't crit, and scales poorly with +dmg is my only complaint.`
`05:32.45`	`kenlyric`	`LOLWELL EZ BAD FIXIT`
`05:32.54`	`kenlyric`	`aestil: that's four complaints.`
`05:33.03`	`RaydenUni`	`i would really like to see some sort of required offensive/defensive balance required for a disc priest`
`05:33.16`	`Mudkipz`	`aestil's complaints crits you for 99999.`
`05:33.19`	`RaydenUni`	`lif you only cast defensive, healing spells you run out of them`
`05:33.23`	`RaydenUni`	`same with offensive`
`05:33.31`	`Diao`	`i didn't even need to post`
`05:33.34`	`Chexsum`	`all i want is a spammable cc and improved healing when ms or whatevers on a target`
`05:33.34`	`Diao`	`warriors covered all my concerns`
`05:33.38`	`Diao`	`on the thread`
`05:33.41`	`Diao`	`lol`
`05:33.53`	`Chexsum`	`i cry when i see 2k crit heals`
`05:34.05`	`Diao`	`improved aoe tanking, better control in pvp`
`05:34.39`	`RaydenUni`	`i still want my aoe dot/threat decrease for shadow priests :)`
`05:34.57`	`RaydenUni`	`pop the dot, does some aoe dmg and no threat is generated while it's up`
`05:35.03`	`Mudkipz`	`...`
`05:35.06`	`RaydenUni`	`:)`
`05:35.10`	`Mudkipz`	`when hell freezes over`
`05:35.11`	`Diao`	`lol`
`05:35.11`	`kenlyric`	`Diao: assuming they read them, posting your own wouldn't be a bad idea. If they see heavy weight towards specific issues, they might address them.`
`05:35.17`	`Diao`	`well`
`05:35.20`	`Diao`	`basically every single post`
`05:35.22`	`RaydenUni`	`what other dps classes don't have a threat dump?`
`05:35.23`	`kenlyric`	`my problem is that most of the stuff I bitched about they've fixed.`
`05:35.24`	`Diao`	`was covering the exact same problem`
`05:35.29`	`Diao`	`so`
`05:35.32`	`Diao`	`adding 1 more post to it`
`05:35.36`	`Diao`	`on the exact same topic`
`05:35.46`	`Diao`	`when there's already like 30+ of them seems rather pointless to me :)`
`05:35.57`	`kenlyric`	`like "reevaluate the value of spirit in itemization" got fixed with buff to meditation.`
`05:36.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`RaydenUni: shaman, warriors, paladins`
`05:36.19`	`kenlyric`	`I didn't bother reading any of them first so they wouldn't color mine.`
`05:36.26`	`Diao`	`lol`
`05:36.42`	`kenlyric`	`druids mages`
`05:36.45`	`kenlyric`	`do warlocks?`
`05:36.48`	`RaydenUni`	`NightHawkTheSane do those classes get one shotted by bosses?`
`05:36.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mages have a threat dump`
`05:36.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`so do locks`
`05:36.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`druids do, if you count cower`
`05:36.57`	`RaydenUni`	`and most of those are hybrids`
`05:36.58`	`kenlyric`	`what threat dump?`
`05:36.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`RaydenUni: raid bosses? yes.`
`05:37.08`	`RaydenUni`	`hmm`
`05:37.15`	`RaydenUni`	`although i guess that argument isn't valid since shadow is off spec...`
`05:37.17`	`kenlyric`	`do mages get?`
`05:37.19`	`aestil`	`aoe dmg for a SP is stupid overpowerd.`
`05:37.22`	`RaydenUni`	`mages get invisible`
`05:37.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`RaydenUni: yes, precisely`
`05:37.25`	`Diao`	`mages get invis`
`05:37.27`	`Diao`	`lol`
`05:37.28`	`RaydenUni`	`aestil it doesn't have to be a lot of dmg`
`05:37.30`	`aestil`	`i'm content to be very effective and steady single target dps.`
`05:37.32`	`kenlyric`	`that dumps threat entirely?`
`05:37.33`	`Diao`	`yes`
`05:37.36`	`Diao`	`when they become fully invis`
`05:37.41`	`kenlyric`	`fuck a noose`
`05:37.44`	`Diao`	`the threat completely gets dumped`
`05:37.49`	`Diao`	`it's a 20% reduction per tick`
`05:37.49`	`aestil`	`i'm content to have no threat dump`
`05:37.50`	`Diao`	`or something`
`05:38.00`	`RaydenUni`	`i don't need to drop all my threat`
`05:38.00`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it'll take them out of combat, if the full duration goes off, i think`
`05:38.04`	`Diao`	`that as well`
`05:38.05`	`RaydenUni`	`i just wish i wasn't always at 95% threat`
`05:38.08`	`kenlyric`	`so, no threat dump is a healer thing, not a cloth thing.`
`05:38.13`	`CIA-12`	`03wobin 07Ace3 * r56687 10MrPlow/ (14 files in 4 dirs): MrPlow - omg, will this finally work?`
`05:38.14`	`RaydenUni`	`when the warlock and the rogue are at 50%`
`05:38.14`	`aestil`	`i want MF to stop being designed around an outdated PvP concept that isn't applicable anymore.`
`05:38.27`	`Diao`	`what concept o_O`
`05:38.36`	`kenlyric`	`I put mindflay in my post.`
`05:38.36`	`Diao`	`interruption?`
`05:38.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kenlyric: well, no healers have a real threat dump, but saying healer thing is equally a misnomer`
`05:38.50`	`aestil`	`fade should possibly reduce threat permanently by like... 15% or something.`
`05:38.54`	`aestil`	`on a 3 min CD`
`05:38.57`	`RaydenUni`	`yeah`
`05:39.01`	`Diao`	`just use the warrior threat dump`
`05:39.02`	`aestil`	`to make it useful, but not be overpowered.`
`05:39.04`	`Diao`	`pull agro, die, soulstone`
`05:39.06`	`Diao`	`;)`
`05:39.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Diao: or the shaman threat dump, pull agro, die, ankh. ;)`
`05:39.20`	`kenlyric`	`it's dumb how fade is a shadow spell.`
`05:39.24`	`Diao`	`lol`
`05:39.27`	`RaydenUni`	`why?`
`05:39.31`	`aestil`	`why isn't the BT3 pet bar the same size button/spacing as the regular bars?`
`05:39.40`	`kenlyric`	`because it's so terrible for them.`
`05:39.52`	`aestil`	`fade is a joke`
`05:39.52`	`kenlyric`	`aestil: because it's a pet bar?`
`05:40.02`	`kenlyric`	`fade works 4 healer`
`05:40.04`	`RaydenUni`	`i agree fade sucks, but having a threat management spell is useful for shadow priests`
`05:40.19`	`RaydenUni`	`i generate way more threat than the other dps guys in my guild`
`05:40.21`	`aestil`	`never once has fade saved my life in a raid.`
`05:40.30`	`aestil`	`if i pull aggro against a tank, i'm dead.`
`05:40.33`	`RaydenUni`	`if moroes has to walk more than 10yd it sometimes works`
`05:40.35`	`aestil`	`unless he can taunt it.`
`05:40.35`	`kenlyric`	`RaydenUni: yes, but it should be a disc spell.`
`05:40.39`	`aestil`	`moroes?`
`05:40.40`	`kenlyric`	`trainable at 21 points!`
`05:40.50`	`RaydenUni`	`trainable?`
`05:40.57`	`kenlyric`	`RaydenUni: he should always have to walk more than 10 yards.`
`05:41.01`	`RaydenUni`	`what other dps class has to TRAIN their threat management?`
`05:41.06`	`aestil`	`i'm thinking more KT in P4, BURN THE SHIELD! BURRRRRRRN!!!`
`05:41.10`	`kenlyric`	`RaydenUni: not train, talent`
`05:41.14`	`RaydenUni`	`kenlyric also depends on how heavy my dots are currently :)`
`05:41.16`	`kenlyric`	`21 points!`
`05:41.16`	`RaydenUni`	`oh ok`
`05:41.18`	`aestil`	`DAMNIT AESTIL, DON'T BURN THAT HARRRRRDDD!`
`05:41.21`	`RaydenUni`	`that's fine`
`05:41.26`	`kenlyric`	`no, it's not fucking fine`
`05:41.28`	`Diao`	`do you use VE`
`05:41.31`	`RaydenUni`	`yes`
`05:41.35`	`aestil`	`lol.`
`05:41.35`	`Diao`	`cause VE generates insane agro if your group is taking any damage`
`05:41.37`	`aestil`	`don't use VE`
`05:41.38`	`RaydenUni`	`...`
`05:41.39`	`kenlyric`	`required 21 point talent in disc is very dumb.`
`05:41.44`	`aestil`	`VE is alike... fail.`
`05:41.50`	`aestil`	`its fun in 5 mans.`
`05:41.51`	`RaydenUni`	`against some boss i did like 120k dmg, i did 4000 VE healing`
`05:41.58`	`RaydenUni`	`i don't think the 2000 threat from that mattered too much`
`05:41.59`	`aestil`	`but you bring healing classes to 25 man raid bosses.`
`05:42.03`	`Codayus`	`VE isn't insane aggro. It's just healing...`
`05:42.12`	`Codayus`	`Depends on the fight though.`
`05:42.13`	`RaydenUni`	`VE is so i can SWD without requiring healing`
`05:42.14`	`kenlyric`	`put BoK at 21 points in prot.`
`05:42.15`	`CIA-12`	`03wobin 07Ace3 * r56688 10MrPlow/Wobin/: MrPlow - final cleanup`
`05:42.17`	`kenlyric`	`for balance.`
`05:42.26`	`aestil`	`RaydenUni: you bring healers to 25 man raids.`
`05:42.30`	`aestil`	`let them have something to do.`
`05:42.34`	`aestil`	`or get better healers.`
`05:42.36`	`Wobwork`	`well`
`05:42.39`	`RaydenUni`	`i guess that's what shamans are for...`
`05:42.40`	`Diao`	`"just healing"`
`05:42.43`	`RaydenUni`	`hadn't though about that`
`05:42.46`	`Wobwork`	`I've certainly learned something about moving folders in svn today =P`
`05:42.47`	`Diao`	`healing that doesn't get the reduced threat`
`05:42.53`	`Diao`	`because shadow priests don't have sub ;)`
`05:42.56`	`aestil`	`chain heal love SW:D`
`05:42.59`	`RaydenUni`	`aestil it seems that if i can let the healing not worry about topping me off, that's fine`
`05:43.11`	`RaydenUni`	`let them worry about others`
`05:43.13`	`kenlyric`	`oh, and about moroes, yes, he should have to move more than 10 yards to get to you.`
`05:43.14`	`Codayus`	`Sometimes VE is a threat issue, but the flip side is - if VE is healing so much your drawing aggro, maybe it's important to the raid?`
`05:43.27`	`aestil`	`Codayus: no. its not.`
`05:43.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`aestil: feh, i dont usually bother healing sw:d'ing priests on purpose. if they get caught in a chain heal, lucky for them :P`
`05:43.28`	`kenlyric`	`even a silly shadow priest should be farther away than that.`
`05:43.32`	`RaydenUni`	`the threat from VT seems way more critical`
`05:43.34`	`Codayus`	`Sometimes it is. :-)`
`05:43.51`	`aestil`	`here's the thing. if VE could help the raid, it gimps your dmg, if it can't help the raid, you're just wasting the GCD.`
`05:44.02`	`kenlyric`	`all VE is doing is wasting HoT mana`
`05:44.04`	`aestil`	`personally, there are very few fights where I think VE.`
`05:44.07`	`RaydenUni`	`the thing is, i can SWD and then MB and maybe MF twice before i'm completely healed. if someone heals me on purpose it's a waste of mana`
`05:44.10`	`aestil`	`is usefully`
`05:44.31`	`aestil`	`i have 1 point in VE to get whatever talents chain to it.`
`05:44.31`	`RaydenUni`	`perhaps`
`05:44.37`	`RaydenUni`	`but the threat from VE is trivial i think`
`05:44.39`	`kenlyric`	`useful on shade!`
`05:44.41`	`Diao`	`shadowform?`
`05:44.41`	`aestil`	`imp VE is a PvP or 5 man PvE talent.`
`05:44.43`	`Diao`	`lol`
`05:44.44`	`Diao`	`and VT`
`05:44.57`	`aestil`	`RaydenUni: tell me that on morogrim, or VR.`
`05:45.04`	`RaydenUni`	`ok, i need some out of the box ideas for my disc low duration buffs`
`05:45.10`	`Codayus`	`Depends on class balance, fight, tactics. I admit, VE is a threat problem on a very small subset of fights, and useful enough to matter on a very small subset of those, and at THAT, only in specific situations.`
`05:45.11`	`kenlyric`	`I like that fury warrior talent that takes five talent points for a completely useless ability.`
`05:45.18`	`Diao`	`lol`
`05:45.20`	`Diao`	`i agree kenlyric`
`05:45.25`	`kenlyric`	`because fury warriors like to get a CRIT a lot to proc it.`
`05:45.29`	`Diao`	`that's another one of the top 5 most complained about abilities`
`05:45.30`	`CIA-12`	`03funkydude * r56689 10BigWigs/SC/Hydross.lua: BigWigs: Sc/Hydross: tweak bar to show % first`
`05:45.34`	`Diao`	`that enrage and flurry are still linked`
`05:45.47`	`kenlyric`	`since I have one of every class, I'm going to post to every thread :)`
`05:45.49`	`Codayus`	`(Also, Imp VE makes coming in #1 on healing for Netherspite easy. How is that not an awesome talent?)`
`05:45.59`	`RaydenUni`	`heh`
`05:46.00`	`RaydenUni`	`true`
`05:46.06`	`RaydenUni`	`it's been a while since i've been #1 in healing`
`05:46.08`	`aestil`	`who cares about netherspite?`
`05:46.15`	`Codayus`	`aestil: Maybe you don't understand/.`
`05:46.19`	`Codayus`	`#1 in healing.`
`05:46.21`	`Codayus`	`PWN`
`05:46.23`	`kenlyric`	`I think I complained about DS three times in the priest post. Think that was enough?`
`05:46.29`	`RaydenUni`	`making all your healers go to full mana is pretty sweet :)`
`05:46.29`	`Diao`	`no`
`05:46.31`	`Diao`	`complain more`
`05:46.39`	`kenlyric`	`I tried to work it in more.`
`05:46.44`	`RaydenUni`	`DS?`
`05:46.54`	`Diao`	`divine spirit i assume`
`05:46.57`	`kenlyric`	`how is it you're a priest?`
`05:47.02`	`kenlyric`	`yes, divine spirit`
`05:47.05`	`aestil`	`kenlyric: make sure you mention MF breaking on dmg, 26 yard range, not critting, and getting shitty scaling with +dmg`
`05:47.06`	`Diao`	`he's shadow, doesn't look at the other specs ;)`
`05:47.15`	`kenlyric`	`the fucking 21 point albatross of the disc tree`
`05:47.17`	`RaydenUni`	`i've looked a little`
`05:47.19`	`Codayus`	`In theory, we have DS specced priests.`
`05:47.20`	`RaydenUni`	`but not enough to know it all`
`05:47.29`	`kenlyric`	`aestil: i put breaking on dmg in my post.`
`05:47.30`	`Codayus`	`As a practical matter, the ones who raid are shadow or CoH spec.`
`05:47.32`	`aestil`	`Codayus: i do understand, you're talking about netherspite, an encounter which a progresion guild could easily skip.`
`05:47.51`	`Diao`	`you have 1 DS spec priest`
`05:47.52`	`Diao`	`for imp DS`
`05:47.52`	`aestil`	`kenlyric: but, it also has a 26 yard range [improved] and cant' crit and scales with 57% of +dmg`
`05:47.56`	`Diao`	`the rest are CoH/shadow`
`05:48.12`	`aestil`	`my wife is the imp DS bitch for the guild.`
`05:48.15`	`Codayus`	`aestil: No, you don't understand. I'm not talking about progression, I'm talking about #1 on healing meters. Weee, FUN.`
`05:48.18`	`kenlyric`	`aestil: i don't really care about shadow priests. I just couldn't think of five things at the moment :)`
`05:48.59`	`aestil`	`how about, instead of listing MF as only one thing, with 1 problem, explain that they need to make MF be improveable to not break on dmg, and then let it crit.`
`05:49.09`	`aestil`	`which would make SP itemization more interesting.`
`05:49.09`	`kenlyric`	`aestil: imagine if you didn't have to bring an imp:ds bitch.`
`05:49.15`	`kenlyric`	`imagine if they could all be imp DS bitches`
`05:49.17`	`RaydenUni`	`i think probably my biggest suggestion for Disc would be "experiment" I don't think people woudl really care if disc wasn't too viable for a while if we got some really cool experimentation`
`05:49.17`	`aestil`	`kenlyric: i don't particualrly care about that.`
`05:49.30`	`Diao`	`i don't think MF needs to crit`
`05:49.31`	`kenlyric`	`because it wasn't fucking 23 points deep in another goddamn tree.`
`05:49.36`	`Diao`	`it's mana efficient enough as it is`
`05:49.43`	`Diao`	`:P`
`05:49.44`	`aestil`	`then it should scale with +dmg at the correct thing`
`05:49.49`	`aestil`	`Diao: i'm all for making it cost more.`
`05:49.52`	`RaydenUni`	`what was the suggestion on improving spirit and MF?`
`05:49.56`	`aestil`	`make it not break on dmg, and let it crit.`
`05:50.12`	`Diao`	`the whole reason MF's scaling is so bad is because of the slow (retarded)`
`05:50.17`	`Diao`	`remove the slow, make the scaling better`
`05:50.23`	`RaydenUni`	`the slow is nice for pvp`
`05:50.27`	`aestil`	`MF has 4 problems, in 2 catergories, one is mechanics, shortrange/breaks on dmg. the other is can't crit/scales poorly.`
`05:50.32`	`Jaxon`	`HEY`
`05:50.35`	`aestil`	`pick one from each catergory, and fix it.`
`05:50.35`	`Jaxon`	`Druids are good`
`05:50.35`	`Jaxon`	`http://jaxon.ca/2v2forever.jpeg`
`05:50.42`	`aestil`	`the slow is useles in any real PvP`
`05:50.57`	`Diao`	`that's not that long`
`05:51.04`	`Diao`	`i should've screenshotted my one game`
`05:51.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah ive seen a 10 hour arena`
`05:51.13`	`aestil`	`HI GUYS IM STANDING HERARE AND IM CASTING A SLOW SPELL THAT ROOTS ME IN PLACE> CANT YOU COUTNERSPLEEL ME PLASESE?`
`05:51.14`	`Diao`	`me + pally`
`05:51.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`resto druid vs resto shaman`
`05:51.18`	`Jaxon`	`All we fucking did was run around and try to drink.`
`05:51.19`	`Diao`	`vs resto druid + holy pally`
`05:51.30`	`Diao`	`who the fuck makes a team with resto druid/holy pally in 2v2`
`05:51.37`	`Diao`	`it's just to piss off your opponents`
`05:51.37`	`RaydenUni`	`good grief. 49min 2v2 arena?`
`05:51.42`	`aestil`	`talk about a lack of mobility in a facet of the game that requires mobility.`
`05:51.56`	`RaydenUni`	`<Diao> who the fuck makes a team with resto druid/holy pally in 2v2 <-- i'd do it to piss people off :D`
`05:52.11`	`Diao`	`took us like 2 hours to kill one of them`
`05:52.13`	`Diao`	`and then the other just afked out`
`05:52.19`	`Diao`	`all for 13 points`
`05:52.20`	`aestil`	`we already have to deal with the fact that our only abitlity that can be chain casted makes us stand in place for 3 seconds. not exaclty the greatest thing in the world with the content i'm doing righ tnow.`
`05:52.20`	`Diao`	`what a waste of time`
`05:52.25`	`kenlyric`	`I also made a suggestion that the inspiration be combined with the +crit talent.`
`05:52.30`	`kenlyric`	`cause I just think that's sensible`
`05:52.36`	`Diao`	`that would make too much sense`
`05:52.40`	`Diao`	`way too much sense`
`05:52.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`49min 2v2 is not long compared to some of the games ive seen, somebody started a thread and it got screenshots of 2hour 4hour and 10hour games`
`05:52.43`	`RaydenUni`	`oh yeah`
`05:52.46`	`RaydenUni`	`+spirit adds +crit`
`05:52.48`	`RaydenUni`	`that was it`
`05:52.51`	`Diao`	`...`
`05:52.52`	`RaydenUni`	`or something`
`05:52.53`	`RaydenUni`	`no.`
`05:52.54`	`RaydenUni`	`lol`
`05:52.55`	`Diao`	`uh, int already adds crit o_O`
`05:52.58`	`aestil`	`Mind flay is mana efficient. lets make it cost a bit more mana, and let it crit and not break on dmg.`
`05:53.00`	`aestil`	`woot.`
`05:53.04`	`RaydenUni`	`it was make MF crit so then SP would care about crit`
`05:53.06`	`aestil`	`i'd shutup about MF`
`05:53.10`	`Diao`	`lol`
`05:53.10`	`kenlyric`	`they'd have to put something else though, because the holy tree is baren and void before the 21 point talent.`
`05:53.23`	`aestil`	`RaydenUni: exactly, it would make itemization better for SP's`
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`05:53.36`	`aestil`	`RaydenUni: still not as good for mages, or destro shadow locks.`
`05:53.46`	`Diao`	`but then SP wouldn't be able to purely stack runed <red gem>`
`05:53.47`	`aestil`	`because a large portion of our dps will still come from SW:P VT`
`05:53.49`	`Diao`	`the way they do now`
`05:53.53`	`aestil`	`Diao: yes they woudl?`
`05:54.01`	`Diao`	`if you need to itemize for crit?`
`05:54.05`	`aestil`	`it would just make +crit not as completley useless as it is.`
`05:54.06`	`RaydenUni`	`but it wouldn't be +dmg is 0.45dps and +crit is 0.04dps`
`05:54.11`	`Diao`	`lol`
`05:54.13`	`aestil`	`Diao: 6+ crit = 1+dmg.`
`05:54.14`	`aestil`	`IF`
`05:54.21`	`aestil`	`IF you MB and SW:D every time.`
`05:54.24`	`aestil`	`which you can't`
`05:54.31`	`RaydenUni`	`if i do that i get aggro`
`05:54.31`	`Diao`	`is that considering uhh`
`05:54.33`	`Diao`	`the +15% crit thing`
`05:54.35`	`aestil`	`because of either A) mana issues, B) not wanting to die issues.`
`05:54.42`	`aestil`	`Diao: huh?`
`05:54.44`	`aestil`	`the talent?`
`05:54.46`	`Diao`	`yea`
`05:54.48`	`kenlyric`	`mind flay is what you do when your cooldowns aren't up.`
`05:54.50`	`aestil`	`no, i'm talking about gear itemizaiton.`
`05:55.02`	`aestil`	`i have those talents.`
`05:55.13`	`RaydenUni`	`kenlyric or when you need to conserve mana or the tank can't hold aggro`
`05:55.20`	`aestil`	`but i'm saying, on gear. +6 spell crit rating = +1 dmg, if you always use MB and SW:D when you can.`
`05:55.27`	`kenlyric`	`wand!`
`05:55.36`	`Diao`	`ah`
`05:55.40`	`aestil`	`and since you can't really use it EVERY time, then its worth even less. +7 or +8`
`05:55.51`	`aestil`	`so an item with LOL 25+Crit rating is = 4+dmg`
`05:55.54`	`aestil`	`thats retarded.`
`05:55.54`	`kenlyric`	`i got to experience the new fear mechanic on my warrior tanking for the first time in ghostlands.`
`05:56.06`	`Diao`	`ghostlands? o_O`
`05:56.07`	`kenlyric`	`also, the joy of shield bash`
`05:56.16`	`aestil`	`hey, guys, can you not drag pet actions from the pet bar, onto your normal action bars?`
`05:56.23`	`kenlyric`	`haha, your fears are for naught.`
`05:56.26`	`Diao`	`not that i know of`
`05:56.30`	`kenlyric`	`except I missed one :/`
`05:56.33`	`Wobwork`	`new fear mechanic?`
`05:56.39`	`Diao`	`mobs stay on their target`
`05:56.42`	`aestil`	`Diao: so i'm just saying, make +crit slightly more useful to SP's and make it so that MF doesn't break all the time.`
`05:56.43`	`Diao`	`even after fearing`
`05:56.45`	`RaydenUni`	`mobs won't ignore feared people`
`05:56.58`	`Wobwork`	`So they chase yuo`
`05:57.01`	`aestil`	`if you increased its cost by around 30%, and made it not break on dmg, and let it crit. then i wouldn't care.`
`05:57.01`	`RaydenUni`	`so if you tank gets feared the spriest doesn't instantly die`
`05:57.05`	`kenlyric`	`rather than the squishy`
`05:57.12`	`kenlyric`	`RaydenUni: FADE`
`05:57.16`	`RaydenUni`	`fade?`
`05:57.20`	`kenlyric`	`let the shammy die`
`05:57.20`	`RaydenUni`	`fade for what?`
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`05:57.25`	`Diao`	`rofl`
`05:57.28`	`RaydenUni`	`tank is at 100%, i'm at 90%, then rogue at 60%`
`05:57.36`	`RaydenUni`	`pretty sure even with fade i'll still have aggro`
`05:57.38`	`aestil`	`you can't drag pet actions on to normal action bars?`
`05:57.38`	`kenlyric`	`find a better group.`
`05:57.43`	`Diao`	`no aestil`
`05:57.50`	`aestil`	`god, i hate the pet bar.`
`05:57.51`	`RaydenUni`	`it's not the tank's fault he got feared`
`05:57.57`	`aestil`	`WTF am i supposed to do with it?`
`05:57.57`	`Diao`	`and i don't know what rogues you run with but when i'm tanking rogues are always riding the threat line until a certain point`
`05:57.58`	`Diao`	`then they vanish`
`05:57.59`	`RaydenUni`	`but its irrelevant since fear got changed for the better`
`05:58.03`	`Jaxon`	`aestil: you can macro pet actions on the normal bar.`
`05:58.03`	`Gagorian`	`aestil: You can macro them though`
`05:58.16`	`aestil`	`i might have to do that.`
`05:58.25`	`kenlyric`	`yes, it's what you have to do.`
`05:58.28`	`RaydenUni`	`i dunno. i'm better geared than anyone else in my guild (hurrah for crafted spriest stuff)`
`05:58.34`	`aestil`	`its not going to be as easy as like /cast attack though is it?`
`05:58.39`	`RaydenUni`	`and also nothing but caster drops in z`
`05:58.40`	`RaydenUni`	`kz`
`05:58.45`	`kenlyric`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:58.47`	`RaydenUni`	`well i really need to go to bed`
`05:58.50`	`kenlyric`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:58.51`	`RaydenUni`	`gotta get up in 5.5 hours`
`05:58.53`	`aestil`	`i may have to stop raiding because of work. i'm passing some crazy shit righ tnow.`
`05:58.54`	`kenlyric`	`something like that.`
`05:59.04`	`aestil`	`the cloak, mace, legs, bracers and belt in hyjal. I passed them all.`
`05:59.08`	`aestil`	`made me sick.`
`05:59.18`	`aestil`	`i have the shoudlers.`
`05:59.36`	`kenlyric`	`aestil: and I know you can macro actual spells (growl, Lightning breath) etc.`
`05:59.37`	`RaydenUni`	`so 5 people in my grad program rolled new characters for the grad guild we are starting: mage, rogue, rogue, hunter, hunter...`
`05:59.45`	`RaydenUni`	`so we're going to be killing the world until the world hits back`
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`05:59.56`	`Wobwork`	`grad guild?`
`05:59.58`	`kenlyric`	`nah, hunters are healers`
`06:00.04`	`kenlyric`	`make your pets your tanks.`
`06:00.13`	`RaydenUni`	`Wobwork i'm in a game development masters program`
`06:00.23`	`Diao`	`lol`
`06:00.43`	`Wobwork`	`oh I completely didn't read the 6th word`
`06:01.06`	`kenlyric`	`you thought he said rad. totally radical program`
`06:01.12`	`RaydenUni`	`heh`
`06:01.19`	`bigzero`	`ckknight, ping`
`06:01.35`	`Wobwork`	`I just thought 'grad guild' was some funky new lingo`
`06:01.39`	`Wobwork`	`that I wasn't hip with`
`06:01.39`	`RaydenUni`	`i would roll a druid and tank for us, but i just rolled a druid whose 25 on another server`
`06:01.47`	`RaydenUni`	`i'm really enjoying my server, but i don't need 2 of them`
`06:01.58`	`RaydenUni`	`enjoying my druid*`
`06:02.04`	`Wobwork`	`hometime`
`06:02.10`	`RaydenUni`	`and little interesting in warriors or pallies`
`06:02.15`	`aestil`	`buu: you there?`
`06:02.21`	`RaydenUni`	`too many bad memories from when horde didnt have pallies i think :)`
`06:02.26`	`aestil`	`i'm being told vox downed ilildian`
`06:02.27`	`RaydenUni`	`well, goodnight guys`
`06:02.45`	`Diao`	`night`
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`06:13.42`	`bigzero`	`ck, are you there?`
`06:17.39`	`CIA-12`	`03quagmire * r56690 10nQuestLog/modules/ (Comments/Comments.lua DetailsFrame/DetailsFrame.lua):`
`06:17.39`	`CIA-12`	`nQuestLog:`
`06:17.39`	`CIA-12`	`- Adjustments to Details and Comments frame default scale and sizing options.`
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`06:24.28`	`aestil`	`i have these new UF's that i'm working on. but damn, if the eePanels aren't gonna be more work than they are worth.`
`06:24.35`	`aestil`	`i don't think i can go through all that scripting again.`
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`06:33.29`	`Xinhuan`	`apparently i discovered a way to have infinite rage/energy/mana`
`06:33.44`	`Xinhuan`	`lets see if i can reproduce it`
`06:33.53`	`Xinhuan`	`potential abuse is huge`
`06:35.38`	`Gngsk`	`sounds fun`
`06:35.44`	`kenlyric`	`you'll share with your friends, right?`
`06:35.47`	`kenlyric`	`oh, and us too?`
`06:36.00`	`Gngsk`	`sure, there's only 225 people in the chan`
`06:36.03`	`Gngsk`	`what could that hurt?`
`06:36.08`	`Xinhuan`	`seeinf if its reproducable first`
`06:36.22`	`Xinhuan`	`i mean, i did discover how to dupe ore last month`
`06:36.27`	`Xinhuan`	`/shrug`
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`06:36.54`	`Xinhuan`	`duped like 50 stacks reliably, sent it in to blizz, and they fixed it within 24 hours`
`06:37.24`	`Gngsk`	`nice`
`06:37.30`	`Gngsk`	`how'd that work?`
`06:37.33`	Funkeh`	`later`
`06:37.48`	`TecnoBrat`	`yea, I'm curious about that one :P`
`06:37.52`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm`
`06:38.20`	`Xinhuan`	`http://files.filefront.com/oredupeavi/;8688811;/fileinfo.html`
`06:38.24`	`Xinhuan`	`video there`
`06:39.31`	`Xinhuan`	`it should be fairly self explanatory`
`06:39.45`	`Xinhuan`	`without needing me to supply intricate details, itemIDs, etc`
`06:40.26`	`Chexsum`	`stupid computer shop`
`06:40.32`	`Chexsum`	`i should have just got a mac`
`06:40.43`	`TecnoBrat`	`looted ore from mail at the same time as prospecting it?`
`06:41.49`	`bigzero`	`or zone right after prospecting?`
`06:42.55`	`\|Stan\|`	`I guess the zoning was just a proof that it is still there after zoning`
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`06:43.15`	`Megalon`	`the stack reappeared after zoning ;o`
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`06:43.52`	`Xinhuan`	`correct`
`06:44.00`	`Xinhuan`	`the stack reappears after zoning`
`06:44.26`	`Xinhuan`	`retrieving mail adds the pile to the finished stack of "1" that is a virtual stack`
`06:44.32`	`Xinhuan`	`so it duped there`
`06:44.46`	`Xinhuan`	`with the same uniqueID`
`06:45.08`	`Xinhuan`	`if you download it you can prob see the itemstring in the tooltips`
`06:46.01`	`\|Stan\|`	`awesome`
`06:46.52`	`bigzero`	`hmmm, i wonder if that could work for other profs too...now it's probably fixed for all items, but perhaps...`
`06:47.22`	`Xinhuan`	`nah`
`06:47.25`	`Xinhuan`	`its fixed`
`06:47.32`	`Xinhuan`	`only worked on prospectable ore`
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`06:50.30`	`_neuron_`	`gah, anyone know how char transfer account->account on the same server works? Trying to transfer a char to my brother's account, and it's acting a bit weird.`
`06:50.47`	`_neuron_`	`on the character transfer page the char shows up on both account, on character-transfer-status it shows nothing on both accounts.`
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`06:51.20`	`Diao`	`o_O`
`06:51.33`	`Diao`	`it's probably in the process of being transferred`
`06:52.01`	`_neuron_`	`yeah I guess, mailed me and said it was done though, but... yeah, I'll just give it more time :P`
`06:52.04`	`_neuron_`	`wasn't gonna play now anyway`
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`07:04.27`	`Chexsum`	`computer salesman is a total noob`
`07:05.10`	`Chexsum`	`i asked him to only use half the drive space because i was installing linux later and he said itd be slower`
`07:05.12`	`Chexsum`	`wtf`
`07:05.24`	`Chexsum`	`then said a professor told him vista > linux`
`07:05.32`	`Chexsum`	`<slap>`
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`07:06.10`	`Chexsum`	`sucks having to wait another day for my cmputer :(`
`07:08.22`	`bigzero`	`vista <<< any os`
`07:09.56`	`Gngsk`	`os2warp?`
`07:10.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`all computer salesmen are dumbfucks`
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`07:12.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`and seriously if your actually purchasing a prebuilt system why do you care what they put on the harddrive, you should be wiping it and installing an os yourself nomatter what they put on it`
`07:13.42`	`Chexsum`	`i wanted to just grab it with no os then he said blahh blah raid0 we wont support you if you get it wrong`
`07:14.01`	`Chexsum`	`and ive never done it before so may as well get them to do it first`
`07:14.18`	`Chexsum`	`im reading about it now :P`
`07:14.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`raid0?`
`07:14.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`07:16.10`	`Chexsum`	`yeah`
`07:16.19`	`Ordog`	`secure game installation roxx`
`07:16.57`	`Ordog`	`oh that was 1`
`07:16.59`	`Ordog`	`^^`
`07:17.32`	`Ordog`	`what kind of raid controller are they throwing at you ?`
`07:17.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`probably an onboard`
`07:18.56`	`Chexsum`	`the mobo is an asus p5k-e and its got 2x500G 7200 HDs`
`07:19.13`	`Ordog`	`nice pr0n collection`
`07:19.14`	`Ordog`	`^^`
`07:19.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`and your going to raid0 it?`
`07:19.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`eww`
`07:19.29`	`Chexsum`	`looks like raids just a bios setting so nfi why the guy was talking about hardware changes :\`
`07:19.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats fucking stupid`
`07:20.00`	`Chexsum`	`the package comes with raid0 stuffs - i dont really care either way`
`07:20.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`no way in hell would i ever raid0 that`
`07:20.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`its just fucking stupid`
`07:20.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`one drive dies and goodbye 1tb`
`07:21.17`	`Chexsum`	`you think i should just split 1 drive into 2 for win/lin and use the other for programs ? :P`
`07:21.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`sure`
`07:21.55`	`Chexsum`	`dammit i could have picked it up tofday then`
`07:22.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`i need to stop installing everything onto C, my 160gb is full`
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`07:22.29`	`Ordog`	`matrix raid?`
`07:22.47`	`Chexsum`	`ive got 6 partitions atm - 4 systems and 2 data drives`
`07:23.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`all mine are 1 partition per drive`
`07:23.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`7 drives inside this computer`
`07:23.33`	`Chexsum`	`ive only got 3 and ones really crappy`
`07:23.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive got tons of shitty 250gb drives that keep dying`
`07:24.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`fucking western digital`
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`07:26.50`	`Chexsum`	`2x40g and a 10g here lol`
`07:26.56`	`Chexsum`	`ive never run out of space`
`07:27.05`	`Chexsum`	`wtf am i going to do with a terrabyte`
`07:27.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol i had a terrabyte back in '04`
`07:27.46`	`Chexsum`	`25 times more than what ive ever used`
`07:27.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`it filled up fast`
`07:28.20`	`Chexsum`	`i think drive 2 will be unencoded game videos lol`
`07:28.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`now ive got 1.5tb due to 1tb of drives dying`
`07:28.34`	`Chexsum`	`im going fraps mad with this comp`
`07:28.54`	`Tekkub`	`good god, Kopp tells you to do HFR or grind for a while in the start of his outlands guide`
`07:29.03`	`Tekkub`	`"They designed it so you have to do instances"`
`07:29.16`	`Tekkub`	`my ass, you can quest to 70 and have 2 zones of quests left over`
`07:29.26`	`Zhinjio`	`totally.`
`07:29.49`	`Zhinjio`	`i barely touched the SMV/Netherstorm quests when I hit 70`
`07:30.01`	`Zhinjio`	`I had run a few instances, but not a ton.`
`07:30.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`so between the 9 drives i have with data on them i have 2.5 terrabytes if all the drives would be working, i just unpluged them when they started acting up i need to try and recover the data someday`
`07:30.14`	`Tekkub`	`I didn't even DO 2/3 of HFP, did maybe 4 instances, and had half of nether and all of shadowmoon left`
`07:31.03`	`Zhinjio`	`i did hfp, zang, terrokar and blade's edge to exhaustion. um.... I touched a few in nether and smv, and hit 70`
`07:31.07`	`Chexsum`	`is there any actual performance improvement with raid0 ?`
`07:31.18`	`Diao`	`wow`
`07:31.22`	`Diao`	`i feel so stupid right now`
`07:31.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes but its not worth it`
`07:31.34`	`Diao`	`i play a disc specced pvp priest`
`07:31.39`	`Chexsum`	`ko ill get rid of the crap then`
`07:31.40`	`Diao`	`and i'm used to mass dispelling iceblock`
`07:31.46`	`Diao`	`i see a mage gain iceblock`
`07:32.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`you can get the same preformance improvement with raid1 if the controller isnt crap`
`07:32.04`	`Diao`	`waste 3k mana trying to dispel it 4 times.. before realizing that the mage had actually run into a freezing trap that a nearby friendly hunter had placed....`
`07:32.11`	`Zhinjio`	`chexsum, yes ... assuming you have multiple pathways to the disks, you'll improve your reads especially. writes is minimal to negligible`
`07:32.30`	`Chexsum`	`nice one diao`
`07:32.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`but now a days its hard to find a good raid controller`
`07:32.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`almost everything is software crap`
`07:32.56`	`Zhinjio`	`raid 0 on the same controller back to the host ... no. all it gives you is ease of expansion.`
`07:33.15`	`Chexsum`	`ko`
`07:34.55`	`Zhinjio`	`the various raid levels give you 3 benefits: redundancy, speed, cost savings. Pick any two.`
`07:35.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`redundancy and cost savings for me`
`07:35.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`raid5/6`
`07:35.38`	`Zhinjio`	`storage is probably my favorite part of all the things IT has to offer.`
`07:35.57`	`Chexsum`	`i like redundancy and speed :P`
`07:36.18`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, now ... bed.`
`07:36.22`	`Zhinjio`	`peace, y'all.`
`07:36.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`that would be 1+0 or 0+1 whatever the fuck you want to call it`
`07:36.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`4 drives but you get the space of 1`
`07:36.42`	`Zhinjio`	`hrm.`
`07:37.09`	`Zhinjio`	`actually, 0+1 and 1+0 are different, but the differences are trivial and only meaningful if you get down into the nitty gritty of it.`
`07:37.09`	`Tekkub`	`god he tells you to do BF too`
`07:37.19`	`Zhinjio\|sleep`	`g'night.`
`07:37.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i know`
`07:37.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`i just never remember which is the prefered one`
`07:38.01`	`Orionshock`	`is it "UnHook" or "Unhook"?`
`07:38.04`	`Chexsum`	`i ran hfc about 10 times on my drood`
`07:38.24`	`Tekkub`	`"Take a look below you too, to see a huge demon for the shattered halls. He’s who keeps talking."`
`07:38.26`	`Tekkub`	`my god`
`07:40.14`	`CIA-12`	`03diablohu * r56691 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.cn.lua:`
`07:40.14`	`CIA-12`	`AtlasLoot:`
`07:40.14`	`CIA-12`	`- zhCN update`
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`07:45.47`	`Lukian`	`<Diao> waste 3k mana trying to dispel it 4 times.. before realizing that the mage had actually run into a freezing trap that a nearby friendly hunter had placed.... <- haha Diao, yeah these two effects need to be visually different`
`07:46.13`	`Gngsk`	`they are, however subtle`
`07:46.24`	`Diao`	`lol`
`07:46.54`	`Gngsk`	`iceblock is a casted spell, so they'll be doing the casting instant animation for whatever race`
`07:47.03`	`Gngsk`	`not so for ice trap`
`07:47.40`	`CIA-12`	`03xinhuan * r56692 10WoWEquip/WoWEquipData.lua: WoWEquip: - Add Argent Dawn leg resistance enchants to the menus.`
`07:48.04`	`Diao`	`i don't look that closely`
`07:48.06`	`Diao`	`when i'm 30 yd away`
`07:48.08`	`Diao`	`:P`
`07:48.27`	`Gngsk`	`that's the difference between a good player and an excellent player`
`07:53.28`	`Chexsum`	`the amount of times they try to mass dispell frost trap!`
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`08:02.18`	`Diao`	`pft`
`08:02.20`	`Diao`	`in battlegrounds`
`08:02.25`	`Diao`	`who actually pays attention :(`
`08:02.34`	`Wobin`	`hehe that's like that hunter tip`
`08:02.48`	`Wobin`	`buy a pet snake, and take it out, often, with or without the snake trap`
`08:03.10`	`Diao`	`lol`
`08:03.11`	`Wobin`	`AoE'rs will waste mana trying to get that last snake =)`
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`08:13.04`	`Xuerian`	`Anyone seen Cube2: Hypercube? Worth watching? >_>`
`08:14.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow thats old`
`08:14.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`but no havent seen it`
`08:14.44`	`Xuerian`	`Gee, you're helpful :p`
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`08:22.06`	`Orionshock`	`Xuerian: it's weird`
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`08:25.43`	`bigzero`	`anyone know if mIRC supports packet encryption?`
`08:29.17`	`Xuerian`	`Orionshock: unique idea, too. Just got past the old lady getting stabbed as the other her held her hand, and the other guy saying not to trust her o_0;;`
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`08:39.15`	`Symian`	`Hi - I'm running in to what I must assume is a REALLY dumb mistake.`
`08:39.29`	`thul`	`ok?`
`08:39.32`	`Symian`	`I have an empty table, we'll call it "local Foo = {}"`
`08:39.43`	`thul`	`having a nick similar to a famous sex toy? :-P`
`08:39.45`	`thul`	`oh, programming mistake :-(`
`08:40.03`	`Symian`	`Now I want to store information about a Unit using the Unit-related functions.`
`08:40.24`	`Symian`	`Hahah, yeah, I learned about the toy afterwards - I think I'll keep it.`
`08:40.32`	`Symian`	`Anyway, I was hoping for a structure like this.`
`08:41.07`	`Symian`	`foo.REALM.NAME.class`
`08:41.12`	`Symian`	`foo.REALM.NAME.level`
`08:41.15`	`Symian`	`etc etc`
`08:41.46`	`Orionshock`	`..`
`08:41.48`	`Symian`	`So, when I go to create a new entry, I'm getting an "attempt to index nil" error. This is the line getting an error.`
`08:42.18`	`CIA-12`	`03xinhuan * r56693 10WoWEquip/ (WoWEquipData.lua localization.deDE.lua localization.lua): WoWEquip: - Add Heavy Knothide Armor Kit, Resilience to shield enchant, and updated several lowbie 2H EnchantIDs.`
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`08:42.47`	`Symian`	`MasterDatabase[curname][currealm] = {lastseen = curtime, level=curlevel, class=curclass, race=currace};`
`08:43.15`	`Symian`	`So I assume this is simply due to bad LUA. The part to the left of the = in particular, I am guessing.`
`08:43.15`	`krka`	`Symian: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon.`
`08:43.20`	`Symian`	`Ahah, sorry.`
`08:43.34`	`Orionshock`	`local foo = {}, foo.[GetRealmFunc?()] = {}; foo.[GetRealmFunc?()][UnitName{"target")] = {}; player = foo.[GetRealmFunc?()][UnitName{"target")] ; player.class = UnitClass("target") ....`
`08:44.06`	`Symian`	`Well, I don't want to clobber the entire realm portion each time`
`08:44.26`	`Symian`	`Wouldn't that do that?`
`08:44.39`	`Nargiddley`	`check if they exist first`
`08:44.55`	`Orionshock`	`you'd do the realm once`
`08:45.10`	`Orionshock`	`then check for the player once if not then {}`
`08:45.20`	`Nargiddley`	`you'd check every time you add someone`
`08:45.30`	`Symian`	`Mm. Ok, I see this. But now let me ask - what's the syntax you're using there? Let me elaborate:`
`08:45.32`	`Orionshock`	`... but with the realm do something like "local realm = GetRealmFunc()"`
`08:45.46`	`Orionshock`	`it's actualy the wrong syntax`
`08:45.50`	`Symian`	`what's the difference between "foo.[realm]" and "foo[realm]"`
`08:45.50`	`Orionshock`	`but...meh`
`08:46.02`	`Orionshock`	`foo.[realm] is wrong`
`08:46.05`	`Symian`	`gotcha nod`
`08:46.06`	`Orionshock`	`and i typo'ed`
`08:46.08`	`Symian`	`Ok! Thanks very much!`
`08:46.13`	`Xinhuan`	`short explanation - you cannot use MasterDatabase[curname][currealm] if MasterDatabase[curname] doesn't already exist`
`08:46.15`	`Symian`	`Wish there was an implicit way to do this.`
`08:46.28`	`Symian`	`Xinhuan, yeah, thanks.`
`08:46.40`	`Xinhuan`	`you have to create that table first, layer by layer`
`08:46.45`	`Xinhuan`	`check if it exists first`
`08:46.49`	`Symian`	`Yup. And I can see why they did that.`
`08:46.50`	`Xuerian`	`Could make a recursive metatable...`
`08:46.53`	`Nargiddley`	`realm = 'bar' foo[realm] == foo['bar'] == foo.bar`
`08:47.02`	`Symian`	`I'll me looking in to metatables later on.`
`08:47.11`	`Xinhuan`	`the general syntax is MasterDatabase[curname] = MasterDatabase[curname] or {}`
`08:47.27`	`Xinhuan`	`which assigns itself to itself, if it already exists`
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`08:47.34`	`Xinhuan`	`or assigns {} otherwise`
`08:47.43`	`Nargiddley`	`faster to do if not MasterDatabase[curname] then MasterDatabase[curname] = {} end`
`08:47.45`	`Symian`	`There's a reason I call it MasterDatabase - this database will eventually hold, hopefully, the basic info on every player on the server. And it will get updated on mouseover.`
`08:47.52`	`Symian`	`So yeah, I'm gonna look in to metatables.`
`08:48.13`	`Xuerian`	`That db won't be large at all.`
`08:48.14`	`Xuerian`	`>_o`
`08:48.30`	`Symian`	`Hah, no?`
`08:48.32`	`Xinhuan`	`Nargiddley, ya your method is faster, but takes more lines ;p`
`08:48.55`	`Orionshock`	`Xuerian: try tossing something like spyglass into that, it saves what ppl are wearing when you inspect them`
`08:48.59`	`Nargiddley`	`both can be one line :P`
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`08:49.20`	`Xinhuan`	`both are equally common though ;p`
`08:49.58`	`Orionshock`	`Symian: how much info are you going to be collecting?`
`08:50.15`	`Xinhuan`	`i saw someone playing with dots yesterday`
`08:50.19`	`Symian`	`Orionshock, Level, Race, Class, Name, Last Seen, Last Partied With, and an optional small note.`
`08:50.58`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> f = function(...) return ..... ..... ... end print(f"foo")`
`08:50.58`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: foofoofoo`
`08:51.04`	`Xinhuan`	`:D`
`08:51.28`	`Orionshock`	`try ["Name"] = { info = { lvl, race, class}, last_seen = #, Partyed = #, Note = ""} as a DB format`
`08:51.38`	`Ozguli`	`Symian make it have "last talents" as well, aka "demonology" or "assassination"`
`08:51.59`	`Symian`	`Ozguli, can you check other people's talents?`
`08:52.00`	`Nargiddley`	`Orionshock, ew no. as few tables as possible for big dbs`
`08:52.01`	`Ozguli`	`or "hybrid", same way as armory shows`
`08:52.08`	`Ozguli`	`Symian yeah it's possible`
`08:52.11`	`Orionshock`	`ok...`
`08:52.14`	`Ozguli`	`they added it in a resent patch`
`08:52.25`	`Orionshock`	`try ["Name"] = { lvl, race, class, last_seen = #, Partyed = #, Note = ""} as a DB format`
`08:52.26`	`Symian`	`Ozguli, awesome, I will do that!`
`08:52.38`	`MoonWolf`	`if it says hybrid, can it please have (x/x/x) for the talent distrubition ?`
`08:52.52`	`Orionshock`	`then again i think that's what she/he was going to do anyways`
`08:52.58`	`Symian`	`Orionshock, I need to use the realm from UnitName(UnitID) too, don't I?`
`08:53.09`	`thul`	`is there any addons that make me NOT loot grey items when i auto loot? :-P`
`08:53.11`	`MoonWolf`	`a moonking/resto hybrid does something completly different from a feral/resto`
`08:53.22`	`Orionshock`	`Symian: disable it in Battlegrounds`
`08:53.25`	`Orionshock`	`that way you don't`
`08:53.25`	`Symian`	`Orionshock, otherwise if you go into a battleground, you could get double-entries`
`08:53.35`	`Xinhuan`	`thul, no ;p`
`08:53.38`	`Symian`	`Orionshock, well I imagine people might really WANT this add-on for battlegrounds :-)`
`08:53.46`	`Orionshock`	`ok...`
`08:53.52`	`Symian`	`Orionshock, "When was the last time I fought X.... hmm...."`
`08:53.55`	`thul`	`Xinhuan:P`
`08:53.57`	`Nargiddley`	`save Name-Realm for other realms then i guess`
`08:54.10`	`Symian`	`Nargiddley, HEY! That's a winning choice!`
`08:54.21`	`Orionshock`	`realm returns as arg 2 if on a different realm?`
`08:54.24`	`Symian`	`That's PERFECT actually.`
`08:54.38`	`Orionshock`	`if so then you'll need to setup special cases for it`
`08:54.55`	`Symian`	`I took care of that already, but Nargiddley just nailed it.`
`08:55.00`	`Orionshock`	`Symian: look into an addon called Historian`
`08:55.37`	`bigzero`	`Orionshock: GetRealmFunc?() was the ? intentional or was that a typo...3 times ina row?`
`08:55.52`	`Nargiddley`	`he doesnt know the func name :P`
`08:55.55`	`Orionshock`	`Symian: btw.. if it's going to be root.realm.name.info{} then just drop ppl from other realms into their own table.`
`08:56.09`	`bigzero`	`oh, lol...i was confused there for a sec`
`08:56.12`	`Orionshock`	`bigzero: ya, it's prolly better said "?GetRealmFunc()"`
`08:57.05`	`bigzero`	`oh and f = function(...) return ..... ..... ... end print(f"foo") ..... wow, that hurts`
`08:57.09`	`Symian`	`Orionshock, yeah that's a good idea, but Nargiddly nailed it - gonna combine Realm and Name. "Name-Realm" if off-realm, otherwise just "Name"`
`08:57.39`	`Orionshock`	`... then why have a realm leaf in the table if your not going to use it?`
`08:57.40`	`Xinhuan`	`or just store everything as name-realm`
`08:57.51`	`bigzero`	`well, if you're storing the info for multiple characters then you want realm-name for all`
`08:57.51`	`Xinhuan`	`so that the data is accessible no matter what realm you play on`
`08:57.56`	`Orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`08:59.15`	`bigzero`	`just might want to pick something other than - to separate....who knows if blizzard decides to release a name with a - in it`
`08:59.21`	`bigzero`	`i used @ for one of my addons`
`09:00.01`	`Symian`	`Ok, well, thanks everyone! Some great tips.`
`09:00.03`	`Symian`	`You helped a bunch.`
`09:01.29`	`bigzero`	`ummm, does anyone have "Target" function missing from the context menu when you right-click names in chat? using default ui`
`09:01.57`	`bigzero`	`it's there for a couple minutes after fresh start and then disapears`
`09:02.20`	`bigzero`	`and I can't find anything that may be doing it`
`09:03.01`	`Diao`	`i don't right click names anyway lol`
`09:03.29`	`bigzero`	`:-(`
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`09:04.10`	`Xinhuan`	`maybe you can only target them if they are in your party?`
`09:05.12`	`bigzero`	`hmm, not sure...i'll have to investigate more`
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`09:07.37`	`bigzero`	`The thing is that I'm having trouble finding the code in wow that deals with that menu`
`09:08.41`	`Orionshock`	`player menu`
`09:08.49`	`Orionshock`	`and no target is not a default option`
`09:08.55`	`Orionshock`	`iirc]`
`09:09.54`	`Xinhuan`	`its probably in Itemref.lua`
`09:09.56`	`Xinhuan`	`or something`
`09:10.00`	`Xinhuan`	`look in there`
`09:11.39`	`Xinhuan`	`line 57: FriendsFrame_ShowDropdown(name, 1, lineid);`
`09:11.41`	`Xinhuan`	`there you go`
`09:12.10`	`Xinhuan`	`which does`
`09:12.12`	`Xinhuan`	`ToggleDropDownMenu(1, nil, FriendsDropDown, "cursor");`
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`09:15.38`	`Orionshock`	`Xinhuan: it has nothing to do with Target(Unit)`
`09:16.32`	`Xinhuan`	`the question wasn't asking about that`
`09:17.32`	`Kalroth`	`What was the question asking about then?`
`09:17.42`	`Xinhuan`	`[12/7 17:09:28] <bigzero> The thing is that I'm having trouble finding the code in wow that deals with that menu`
`09:17.57`	`Xinhuan`	`i said its in itemref.lua`
`09:18.19`	`Kalroth`	`Aha`
`09:19.20`	`Diao`	`uh`
`09:19.22`	`Diao`	`how do you cross-faction talk`
`09:19.27`	`Diao`	`i just saw a gnome say "This is madness!"`
`09:19.27`	`bigzero`	`Xinhuan: thanks`
`09:19.28`	`Diao`	`as she died`
`09:19.36`	`Diao`	`and in my chatbox it says`
`09:19.41`	`Diao`	`Ivyhey says: This is madness!`
`09:19.50`	`bigzero`	`what faction are you?`
`09:19.54`	`Xinhuan`	`its not a gnome then`
`09:20.06`	`Diao`	`i'm horde`
`09:20.10`	`_neuron_`	`an imp? :P`
`09:20.10`	`Diao`	`and it was a gnome mage in AB`
`09:20.16`	`Diao`	`o_o`
`09:20.21`	`bigzero`	`would've said Ivyhey [Common] says: yada yada yada`
`09:20.24`	`Diao`	`Nope, it's a gnome mage`
`09:20.26`	`Orionshock`	`ya...`
`09:20.29`	`Diao`	`Ivyhey-Frostmourne`
`09:20.30`	`Diao`	`on the scoreboard`
`09:20.37`	`NeoTron`	`RoS dead`
`09:20.43`	`Diao`	`i'll ss it`
`09:20.43`	`NeoTron`	`first time we got to phase 3 it died`
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`09:20.58`	`Diao`	`letme upload`
`09:21.18`	`bigzero`	`hmm, maybe allience trainers teach orcish now...`
`09:21.48`	`Xinhuan`	`uh, if that gnome is from a different faction`
`09:21.54`	`Xinhuan`	`AND a different server`
`09:21.59`	`Xinhuan`	`you would have seen`
`09:22.10`	`Xinhuan`	`[Ivyhey-Frostmourne] says:`
`09:22.10`	`Diao`	`i know it's supposed to work that way`
`09:22.16`	`Diao`	`but just look`
`09:22.19`	`Xinhuan`	`and not [Ivyhey] says`
`09:22.30`	`Diao`	`http://clockwork-guild.net/hax.jpg`
`09:22.40`	`Diao`	`2nd player on the scoreboard`
`09:22.45`	`Diao`	`and look at the chatbox in bottom left`
`09:23.16`	`Xinhuan`	`looks like an issue with your chat addon`
`09:23.22`	`Diao`	`it wasn't just me`
`09:23.27`	`Diao`	`my guildie nearby saw it`
`09:23.28`	`Diao`	`and he doesn't use the addon`
`09:23.28`	`[AR]Camci`	`that Torte guy is spamming your guild chat`
`09:23.37`	`[AR]Camci`	`./gkick`
`09:23.50`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm`
`09:23.50`	`Diao`	`lol`
`09:24.09`	`Diao`	`that's why i was confused`
`09:24.14`	`Diao`	`i didn't think it was possible`
`09:24.21`	`[AR]Camci`	`thats the way NPC talk looks like o.O`
`09:24.38`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`09:24.46`	`Diao`	`it looks like npc talk but it's a player o_o`
`09:24.57`	`Xinhuan`	`why is your "honor gain" not timestamped?`
`09:25.20`	`Xinhuan`	`oh word-wrapped`
`09:25.22`	`Diao`	`it is`
`09:25.24`	`Diao`	`word wrapped :p`
`09:25.51`	`Diao`	`anyway yeah`
`09:25.56`	`Diao`	`an interesting enigma to figure out :P`
`09:26.11`	`[Ammo]`	`I think you need more fubar plugins`
`09:26.14`	`[AR]Camci`	`that UI hurts my eyes :(`
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`09:26.40`	`Diao`	`the chat boxes`
`09:26.42`	`Xinhuan`	`what are those numbers on your buttons?`
`09:26.42`	`[AR]Camci`	`lol ye i think he missed some fubar plugins :P`
`09:26.43`	`Diao`	`minimize to 1 line`
`09:26.52`	`Diao`	`um`
`09:26.55`	`Diao`	`top right is hotkey`
`09:27.02`	`Diao`	`middle is average dmg/heal from drdmg`
`09:27.05`	`Diao`	`bottom right is how many casts`
`09:27.13`	`Diao`	`with current mana`
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`09:27.42`	`bigzero`	`Darkmoon Card: Madness says that and i guess it's not really said in any language`
`09:27.45`	`Ozguli-`	`I love the "this is madness" proc in arena`
`09:27.47`	`Ozguli-`	`(damn disconnects)`
`09:28.05`	`Ozguli-`	`the text isn't even the default color`
`09:28.06`	`Diao`	`oh`
`09:28.09`	`Diao`	`so that's what it is`
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`09:28.24`	`Xinhuan`	`lol :o`
`09:28.37`	`Diao`	`that's pretty awesome`
`09:28.46`	`[AR]Camci`	`huh=`
`09:28.47`	`[AR]Camci`	`?`
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`09:28.52`	`[AR]Camci`	`the madness trinket?`
`09:28.57`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`09:28.59`	`[AR]Camci`	`didnt know it did that kind of chat`
`09:29.01`	`Diao`	`i guess when it procs it says that`
`09:29.02`	`Diao`	`lol`
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`09:29.09`	`Ozguli`	`that UI has too much clutter`
`09:29.14`	`Xinhuan`	`i need a button icon that represents the guild bank. can you offer any suggestions?`
`09:29.28`	`Diao`	`not really, it's very informational :P`
`09:29.40`	`Diao`	`i look in different areas for different things`
`09:29.42`	`[AR]Camci`	`too much information tho :P`
`09:30.05`	`bigzero`	`Xinhuan: try the gold pile`
`09:30.05`	`Diao`	`well like i said, chat minimizes to 1 line except when i mouseover the box`
`09:30.16`	`[AR]Camci`	`what plugin is the numbers at far left second line ?`
`09:30.18`	`Diao`	`as you can see from the combat log on the right`
`09:30.21`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm`
`09:30.22`	`[AR]Camci`	`looke like T ???`
`09:30.34`	`Diao`	`T?`
`09:30.38`	`[AR]Camci`	`yea`
`09:30.44`	`[AR]Camci`	`the top line`
`09:30.55`	`bigzero`	`Xinhuan: or actually the coin pile that comes up for money in loot window, because the gold pile i was thinking of is actually a 3d object`
`09:30.56`	`[AR]Camci`	`says 7/197`
`09:30.58`	`Diao`	`oh`
`09:31.00`	`Diao`	`guildfu`
`09:31.08`	`Xinhuan`	`ah`
`09:31.08`	`[AR]Camci`	`aha`
`09:31.18`	`Diao`	`i'm too lazy to open my guild list so i just mouseover that to see who's online`
`09:31.25`	`Diao`	`and where they are etc`
`09:31.42`	`[AR]Camci`	`u need to repair only 33% left`
`09:31.44`	`[AR]Camci`	`:P`
`09:31.50`	`[AR]Camci`	`im so bored as you see`
`09:31.51`	`Diao`	`lol`
`09:32.19`	`Diao`	`my priest has terrible gear, he can be at 0% and have basically the same stats as he does with full ;)`
`09:32.19`	`Diao`	`!c us blackrock dailox`
`09:32.19`	`[AR]Camci`	`lol`
`09:32.26`	`Saladin`	`camci! :OO`
`09:32.27`	`Diao`	`aw thraebot isn't working`
`09:32.32`	`Diao`	`:(`
`09:32.46`	`Xinhuan`	`any other icon suggestions?`
`09:32.48`	`[AR]Camci`	`Saladin O.o`
`09:32.52`	`Saladin`	`:D`
`09:32.55`	`[AR]Camci`	`i remember you from somewhere...`
`09:32.59`	`[AR]Camci`	`remind me?`
`09:33.03`	`Saladin`	`Yep`
`09:33.10`	`Diao`	`coins sounds good`
`09:33.12`	`Saladin`	`You and Rashgeito double-ganked me in AV a lot :(`
`09:33.12`	`bigzero`	`Xinhuan: a sack...like a 12 slotter i think`
`09:33.15`	`Diao`	`can't really think of it`
`09:33.20`	`[AR]Camci`	`hmmmm`
`09:33.23`	`[AR]Camci`	`:P`
`09:33.26`	`[AR]Camci`	`pre tbc?`
`09:33.27`	`Saladin`	`Tylmarande on SWC, lol`
`09:33.31`	`Saladin`	`pre tbc, yes`
`09:33.34`	`[AR]Camci`	`lol :P`
`09:33.35`	`[AR]Camci`	`hey :P`
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`09:33.51`	`Saladin`	`lolhi`
`09:33.58`	`[AR]Camci`	`ya man pvp sucks ass now`
`09:34.04`	`[AR]Camci`	`was fun before xream shit came`
`09:34.07`	`[AR]Camci`	`realm*`
`09:34.09`	`Saladin`	`yeah, so true`
`09:34.11`	`Xinhuan`	`arena is hella boring now`
`09:34.18`	`Xinhuan`	`same thing over and over`
`09:34.23`	`[AR]Camci`	`ye`
`09:34.23`	`Saladin`	`[AR]Camci: especially after thelox left :(`
`09:34.34`	`[AR]Camci`	`he sucked anyway couldnt even kill me :P`
`09:34.42`	`Saladin`	`I mean, inow it's just an honor grind for free epics`
`09:34.44`	`Saladin`	`lol`
`09:35.04`	`Saladin`	`I'll tell him you said that ;)`
`09:35.20`	`[AR]Camci`	`you do that :P`
`09:35.24`	`Ozguli`	`http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7134/rs008ug6.jpg`
`09:35.42`	`Saladin`	`nah really can't be arsed`
`09:35.51`	`Saladin`	`Where do you play now?`
`09:36.47`	`[AR]Camci`	`lol ozguli`
`09:36.53`	`Saladin`	`lol Ozguli`
`09:36.56`	`[AR]Camci`	`im still in the same shitty server`
`09:37.04`	`[AR]Camci`	`tho i aint poaying umuch as before`
`09:37.05`	`Saladin`	`ah`
`09:37.10`	`Saladin`	`I raid on kul tiras`
`09:37.16`	`[AR]Camci`	`too much work and stuff now`
`09:37.21`	`Saladin`	`and have a PvP mage on Ragnaros,, but I closed that account`
`09:37.24`	`Saladin`	`its ust too boring`
`09:37.38`	`[AR]Camci`	`hehe`
`09:38.31`	`Orionshock`	`JoshBroke needs to hurry up with this RaidCast addon... it has severe promise of beening good`
`09:38.47`	`[AR]Camci`	`what does it do?`
`09:39.03`	`Saladin`	`Raid Cast bars?`
`09:39.03`	`Orionshock`	`atm, spam your chat window with what ppl are casting`
`09:39.07`	`Saladin`	`ah`
`09:39.26`	`[AR]Camci`	`why would you want that?`
`09:39.39`	`Saladin`	`Some peopel like it in the pooper, Camci.`
`09:39.46`	`Ozguli`	`I'll install honorFu`
`09:39.58`	`[AR]Camci`	`:P`
`09:40.21`	`Ozguli`	`it's more accurate than blizz default that usually shows 10-30% more honor gained then the actual value is`
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`09:41.14`	`bigzero`	`grr.....i found some values that I could use to debug the "Target" problem, but now I need to find a way for the "Target" to stop showing :-(`
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`09:50.21`	`thul`	`[AR]Camci: i guess the healers would want to know it :-)`
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`09:58.35`	`CIA-12`	`03cwdg * r56694 10Postman/localization.lua:`
`09:58.35`	`CIA-12`	`Postman:`
`09:58.35`	`CIA-12`	`- update zhCN local by isler`
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`10:03.01`	`bigzero`	`did gold prices jump up? $44 per 1k?`
`10:03.26`	`bigzero`	`i thought it was cheaper than that`
`10:03.28`	`Ozguli`	`must be some newcomer company`
`10:04.10`	`Dhraga`	`If anyone got time for an Whats the name of that addon? question... I'd like to know the name of the enemy castbar that appears below Illidans healthbar (the healthbar that you see when your close to a mob and have pressed V it's shown in the this video http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/14/wow-moviewatch-nihilum-vs-illidan/`
`10:04.42`	`Ozguli`	`called "default UI"`
`10:05.03`	`Dhraga`	`Oh... o.O`
`10:05.49`	`Lukian`	`rofl`
`10:06.44`	`Kalroth`	`lol`
`10:07.00`	`Dhraga`	`r u sure, since the healthbar of Illidan also seemes to look a bit different... But I have never seen a enemy castbar below a mobs nameplate when I play, so what have a missed to turn on ?`
`10:07.23`	`Ozguli`	`something in the interface menu`
`10:07.43`	`Lukian`	`yeah it's in interface options, there`
`10:07.51`	`Lukian`	`'s also a nameplate mod called "Aloft"`
`10:08.25`	`Dhraga`	`ok thanks, I'll look into it`
`10:08.32`	`Ellipsis`	`if you toggle the nameplates on with V, and your target starts casting a spell, his cast bar will show up under the nameplate like that`
`10:08.38`	`Ellipsis`	`it just works x.x`
`10:09.14`	`Ellipsis`	`it should be on by default, but if you disabled it, it's in interface options "show enemy cast bars -> on name plates"`
`10:09.21`	`Dhraga`	`Heh, how can I have missed that or was it implemented in a recent patch ?`
`10:09.34`	`Ozguli`	`you've missed it`
`10:10.12`	`Dhraga`	`lol, i feel kinda like the über n00b now... thats for putting me straight :P`
`10:10.35`	`thul`	`YOU ARE NOT WORTHY N==B`
`10:10.36`	`thul`	`:-(`
`10:10.41`	`Dhraga`	`:P`
`10:10.44`	`thul`	`i forgot to unshift when 00 :-(`
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`10:14.01`	`Ellipsis`	`Dhraga: finally found a spot in that video where the nameplate is shown - it doesn't look like the default nameplates, probably using Aloft`
`10:14.25`	`Dhraga`	`Okies thanks, I'll put in Aloft directly`
`10:15.10`	`Dhraga`	`LoL, I'm still blushing due to that I've missed the show enemy nameplates -> on nameplates lol`
`10:16.33`	`thul`	`:-P`
`10:17.37`	`Dhraga`	`We'll I'll n00b my way online now, thanks again all and cya another day ^^`
`10:17.59`	`Lukian`	`Dhraga, it was addded in 2.0 iirc`
`10:18.46`	`evl`	`Anyone else been experiencing frequent disconnects since wednesday?`
`10:20.01`	`thul`	`yp`
`10:20.04`	`thul`	`or, not frequent`
`10:20.06`	`thul`	`2-3-4 times`
`10:20.12`	`evl`	`more than usual`
`10:20.22`	`evl`	`I usually don't get dc'ed more than a couple of times a year`
`10:20.25`	`evl`	`but it's been a nightmare`
`10:22.05`	`haste`	`load up wmp!`
`10:23.20`	`evl`	`then I'd bring world peace and I don't want that`
`10:24.33`	`Lukian`	`haha @ load up wmp!`
`10:24.48`	`Lukian`	`yes, let it fill your sound buffers so wow can't use any quality sound resources :p`
`10:25.17`	`Lukian`	`(and therefore run faster, because it has less audio processing to worry about)`
`10:26.56`	`Diao`	`is that how it works?`
`10:27.08`	`Diao`	`o_o`
`10:27.22`	`Lukian`	`Diao, something to that effect`
`10:28.16`	`Diao`	`well i read all kinds of theories on how it works`
`10:28.21`	`Diao`	`so i didn't know which one it wsa :P`
`10:28.39`	`Lukian`	`hehe`
`10:29.36`	`haste`	`I don't really see that as a correct way of explaining it`
`10:29.46`	`haste`	`as it can lower your ms drasticly`
`10:30.03`	`Diao`	`ms?`
`10:30.17`	`haste`	`your latency towards the server`
`10:30.48`	`Diao`	`oh latency`
`10:30.56`	`Diao`	`i thought you were using as some acronym for another term lol`
`10:31.14`	`Diao`	`using it*`
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`10:36.17`	`Diao`	`also, anyone know what causes the random c stack error in ace2?`
`10:36.23`	`Diao`	`i keep forgetting to pastey it before i logout`
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`10:38.02`	`Xinhuan`	`cp update zzz`
`10:38.41`	`Diao`	`yea`
`10:38.51`	`Diao`	`looks like they shifted it to 2:38-2:43ish`
`10:39.03`	`Diao`	`happened around the same time yesterday`
`10:42.02`	`neenee`	`Once yesterday evl`
`10:42.20`	`neenee`	`But I have not played long enough to see if it was a recurring theme.`
`10:43.09`	`bigzero`	`booyah....i found the problem that was causing "Target" to disapear`
`10:43.39`	`neenee`	`What was it?`
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`10:43.56`	`bigzero`	`it's in BulkMail, but the funny part is that I wrote that part of code`
`10:44.01`	`neenee`	`ah.`
`10:44.15`	`neenee`	`I don't use mail addons anymore, since Blizzard put in the multi-item mail system`
`10:44.32`	`bigzero`	`hmm, bm is still much nicer for retrieving mail`
`10:44.40`	`bigzero`	`i like shift+click`
`10:44.43`	`neenee`	`Ah, for retrieving perhaps`
`10:45.31`	`bigzero`	`but yeah, now i need to figure out a good fix for the problem`
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`10:50.22`	`CIA-12`	`03bigzero * r56695 10BulkMail2/BulkMail.lua:`
`10:50.22`	`CIA-12`	`BulkMail2:`
`10:50.22`	`CIA-12`	`- Fixed taint issue that was preventing "Target" from appearing in the context menu when right-clicking player's name in chat.`
`10:50.28`	`bigzero`	`should do it`
`10:50.32`	`bigzero`	`i hope`
`10:53.02`	`CIA-12`	`03snago * r56696 10FuBar_NinjutFu/ (7 files):`
`10:53.03`	`CIA-12`	`FuBar_NinjutFu:`
`10:53.03`	`CIA-12`	`- Made LibSharedMedia-2.0 optional`
`10:53.03`	`CIA-12`	`- Reduced garbage creation`
`10:55.16`	`Orionshock`	`.... ZA sucks`
`10:56.24`	`thul`	`stupid creationists should die`
`10:56.25`	`thul`	`ffs`
`10:59.33`	`Xinhuan`	`akama still bugged lol`
`10:59.38`	`Xinhuan`	`like 20-manned the thing`
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`11:02.09`	`thul`	`sneeky little akama`
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`11:05.17`	`Orionshock`	`the fuck?`
`11:05.18`	`Orionshock`	`LibSharedMedia-2.0\LibSharedMedia-2.0.lua:209: assertion failed!`
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`11:11.38`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.vgcats.com/comics/extras/stillalive.php`
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`11:32.17`	`Wobin`	`omg`
`11:32.18`	`Wobin`	`WIN`
`11:32.21`	`sb`	`yes?`
`11:33.27`	`Tekkub`	`yes!`
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`11:44.28`	`Wobin`	`that song will never get old`
`11:51.27`	`Polarina`	`New dungeon: Zul’Zul! Explore Zul’Zul, where Zul’Zul trolls zul around zulling their zuls. Do you have what it takes to zul?`
`11:51.46`	`Aenslaed`	`.`
`11:51.48`	`Ellipsis`	`I'd zul it`
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`11:57.08`	`CIA-12`	`03snago * r56697 10FuBar_NinjutFu/ (6 files):`
`11:57.08`	`CIA-12`	`FuBar_NinjutFu:`
`11:57.08`	`CIA-12`	`- Added missing external`
`11:57.08`	`CIA-12`	`- Fixed bug when having warning disabled`
`11:57.08`	`CIA-12`	`- Won't load SE-Aura unless it's needed (if running disembedded)`
`11:59.43`	`thul`	`wtf Tekkub ? :-P`
`11:59.46`	`thul`	`what is that?`
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`12:02.00`	`Kalroth`	`vg cats finally played through Portal`
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`12:17.56`	`Wobin`	`thul: if you haven't played Portal, go.`
`12:17.58`	`Wobin`	`Go now`
`12:18.00`	`Wobin`	`and play it`
`12:28.38`	`Chexsum`	`o`
`12:28.40`	`Chexsum`	`no`
`12:29.39`	`Kalroth`	`You're a loser if you haven't played Portal!`
`12:32.29`	`FinalX`	`I know I'm a loser.`
`12:32.39`	`FinalX`	`Doesn't take a game to show that :)`
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`12:36.36`	`Kalroth`	`FinalX: That's because you don't want to give me a leet vhost though, not because you haven't played Portal.`
`12:37.32`	`Wobin`	`although if you haven't played portal you still have a chance`
`12:37.37`	`Wobin`	`cause it's still there`
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`12:38.13`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.vgcats.com/comics/extras/stillalive.php`
`12:39.45`	`Kalroth`	`Antiarc: Ooold`
`12:39.54`	`Kalroth`	`[12:09] <Tekkub> http://www.vgcats.com/comics/extras/stillalive.php`
`12:40.00`	`Wobin`	`Antiarc: Tekk just posted that not....an hour and a half ago`
`12:40.00`	`Kalroth`	`owned by Teknub!`
`12:40.07`	`FinalX`	`Portal seems like an odd game.`
`12:40.20`	`Kalroth`	`FinalX: It's the tetris of FPS games. :)`
`12:40.20`	`Wobin`	`It's one of the best set up games I've played in a long time`
`12:40.28`	`Antiarc`	`Portal is refreshingly different`
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`12:40.32`	`Wobin`	`The inbuilt teaching is really really well done`
`12:40.38`	`Antiarc`	`Kalroth: That's an amazingly apt description.`
`12:41.10`	`Kalroth`	`So simple, yet so involving. And waaaay too short.`
`12:41.16`	`FinalX`	`It isn't even free. Pfff :P`
`12:41.28`	`Kalroth`	`FinalX: I'm sure you can get hold of an internet backup. :)`
`12:41.38`	`Antiarc`	`Portal + Team Fortress 2 is well worth the $40.`
`12:41.55`	`Kalroth`	`Steam is rather meh though.`
`12:42.00`	`Wobin`	`Hell, Portal is well worth the $20`
`12:42.35`	`Wobin`	`FinalX: Normally, I'd agree`
`12:42.44`	`Wobin`	`But Portal is so worth the pittance...`
`12:43.03`	`Wobin`	`Hell, it's the first game I've finished in a long long while without resorting to godmode =P`
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`12:43.26`	`nabil`	`Wow, that portal game looks pretty god.`
`12:43.28`	`nabil`	`How much is it?`
`12:43.33`	`Kalroth`	`..`
`12:43.36`	`FinalX`	`..`
`12:44.08`	`nabil`	`-.-`
`12:44.13`	`nabil`	`fail`
`12:44.31`	`Lukian`	`orange box ftw`
`12:44.48`	`bigzero`	`portal is too short imo`
`12:45.12`	`Lukian`	`bigzero, not really, well, because it has the capability for more maps and potentially user maps :p`
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`12:45.20`	`bigzero`	`you can beat it in 3 hours on your first try...for $20 that's pretty short`
`12:45.26`	`Lukian`	`not to mention advanced / challenge modes`
`12:45.42`	`Lukian`	`bigzero, more entertaining then a movie for only a little less :p`
`12:45.53`	`bigzero`	`entertaining it was indeed`
`12:46.09`	`bigzero`	`and the credit song is so worth it too`
`12:46.17`	`Lukian`	`damn straight :D`
`12:46.20`	`Wobin`	`Agreed =)`
`12:46.26`	`Wobin`	`JoCo rocks`
`12:46.49`	`Wobin`	`I actually really enjoyed the commentary mode`
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`12:46.54`	`FinalX`	`Meh, might get it later, but, what the hell is Steam?`
`12:47.04`	`Lukian`	`rofl.`
`12:47.05`	`bigzero`	`http://www.aperturescience.com/`
`12:47.08`	`Kalroth`	`FinalX: It's the install system behind various games`
`12:47.11`	`Wobin`	`I was like "Oh, complete level bypass, by using that? Hm....!"`
`12:47.18`	`Dhraga`	`~seen sairen`
`12:47.21`	`purl`	`sairen <n=Miranda@p57B35476.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 220d 19h 8m 29s ago, saying: 'thx Kaelten for repairing my forum account :)'.`
`12:47.21`	`FinalX`	`ah`
`12:47.22`	`Kalroth`	`FinalX: It's pretty much a DRM system for games`
`12:47.48`	`Lukian`	`Kalroth, I'd call it a content delivery system, more so than that :p`
`12:48.24`	`Kalroth`	`The vast majority of Steam is the DRM package. The download part is a rather minor part. :)`
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`12:48.44`	`Chexsum`	`steam is a pain`
`12:48.44`	`Kalroth`	`FinalX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28content_delivery%29`
`12:48.50`	`FinalX`	`Screw that tbh.`
`12:49.00`	`Lukian`	`steam is fine, it's just a bit quirky`
`12:49.06`	`Kalroth`	`hahah`
`12:49.18`	`Chexsum`	`you need to be online to play an offline game so its broked`
`12:49.19`	`Kalroth`	`"Lukian is fine, he's just a bit quirky"`
`12:49.46`	`bigzero`	`go to http://www.aperturescience.com/ type login and use any username and 'portal' for the password. the application is rather funny`
`12:50.06`	`Lukian`	`Kalroth, quite so!`
`12:50.08`	`Chexsum`	`no`
`12:50.10`	`Lukian`	`Chexsum, works fine for me`
`12:50.27`	`FinalX`	`My DOSBox with my old nostalgic games works fine. So does my PSX emulator.`
`12:50.40`	`Wobin`	`bigzero: Have you accessed the admin account on that?`
`12:50.41`	`FinalX`	`Playing Commander Keen, Raptor and The Incredible Machine ftw.`
`12:50.52`	`buu`	`Chexsum: You really don't..`
`12:51.07`	`Wobin`	`ps`
`12:51.07`	`Wobin`	`http://www.insanitytheory.net/kitchenwench/2007/12/07/im-totally-nuts-for-nuts/`
`12:51.12`	`Wobin`	`I'm totally going to make those tomorrow`
`12:51.35`	`bigzero`	`Wobin: I think i have`
`12:51.53`	`Wobin`	`bigzero: you get the history of ApetureScience`
`12:52.02`	`Wobin`	`*r`
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`12:52.26`	`bigzero`	`yeah, i remember reading it`
`12:52.35`	`bigzero`	`can't remember the password though`
`12:52.40`	`bigzero`	`something with johnson i think`
`12:53.10`	`FinalX`	`<3 dosbox`
`12:53.19`	`FinalX`	`playing old games again from like 13 years ago is lol`
`12:53.50`	`bigzero`	`oh, right....username cjohnson password: tier3`
`12:54.06`	`bigzero`	`history is definitelly worth reading`
`12:56.06`	`Chexsum`	`i still like playing some platform games and shootemups`
`12:56.36`	`Chexsum`	`ive always got arkanoid installed :P`
`13:00.37`	`Wobin`	`http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/382128915_71aa463fab.jpg?v=0`
`13:00.39`	`Wobin`	`omg puppy`
`13:00.49`	`Wobin`	`^^`
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`13:15.53`	`Tricksy`	`[13:58] <Wobin> omg puppy --> Check out this cute kitty overload :S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU2EtLHVoiI&feature=related`
`13:20.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgk9ouBuj-4 now THIS is kitty cuteness overload!`
`13:21.45`	`Tricksy`	`poor kitties :(`
`13:22.15`	`Pkekyo\|`	`howso?`
`13:22.36`	`Tricksy`	`putting them in the ring just sdo they can fight eachother :(`
`13:22.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ring? what ring?`
`13:22.52`	`Tricksy`	`on the television in the beginning`
`13:23.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`lols...getting put in a miniature city is far from the worst treatment of kittens I've seen...`
`13:23.54`	`Tricksy`	`putting them in a ring with the express purpose of attacking eachother so it looks like a boxing match is imo :E`
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`13:24.12`	`baer_`	`moin.`
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`13:26.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'mornin baer_`
`13:26.29`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Tricksy: if so, have you ever been outside your own house then? :>`
`13:26.53`	`Tricksy`	`I try to avoid it as best i can :E`
`13:27.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`haha`
`13:27.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`don't we all...`
`13:29.34`	`Tricksy`	`"D`
`13:30.59`	`Pkekyo\|`	`meh, my guild's webmaster's a dongjob`
`13:31.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`won't fix a bug 'cause there's a highly circumbstancial, half-assed client workaround`
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`13:32.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`when I told him about the bug, he said 'you'll have to use another browser then' >.<`
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`13:46.32`	`khangg`	`rofl @ http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1739394019&sid=1&pageNo=1`
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`13:47.32`	`Saladin`	`wtf lol`
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`13:48.09`	`khangg`	`that likes to happen a lot on freenode`
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`14:00.29`	`CIA-12`	`03hodor * r56700 10FeralDebuffList/FeralDebuffList.toc: FeralDebuffList: Updated toc`
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`14:02.32`	`RaydenUni`	`morning`
`14:02.34`	`Saladin`	`hay`
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`14:02.56`	`khangg`	`sup`
`14:03.04`	`Saladin`	`ma pen0r`
`14:03.08`	`Saladin`	`bad pun -.-`
`14:04.14`	`khangg`	`so i guess having WMP and WoW open at the same time does help :o`
`14:04.32`	`Saladin`	`on my laptop here I have Vista and WMP 11`
`14:04.37`	`Saladin`	`no difference`
`14:04.58`	`khangg`	`did you restart wow?`
`14:05.09`	`Saladin`	`launched wmp, then started wow`
`14:05.12`	`khangg`	`ah`
`14:05.14`	`Saladin`	`didnt play when I read it`
`14:05.16`	`khangg`	`iuno perhaps its onyl for xp`
`14:05.19`	`Saladin`	`@sk00l :D`
`14:06.09`	`khangg`	`ah :P`
`14:06.20`	`khangg`	`its more for loading times according to the forums`
`14:06.33`	`khangg`	`something i've never had a real big problem with`
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`14:09.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`are there any functioning XP tracking plugins for fubar nowadays? FuBar_ExperienceFu doesn't work :<`
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`14:15.21`	`khangg`	`Pkekyo\|, fu_xpfu?`
`14:15.24`	`khangg`	`i use it`
`14:15.26`	`khangg`	`and its fine`
`14:15.46`	`khangg`	`Pkekyo\|, FuBar_FuXPFu is the name`
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`14:18.32`	`RaydenUni`	`"Robin Torres would have more gold if her husband didn't borrow it to fund his raiding." lol`
`14:18.49`	`RaydenUni`	`any critical mage mods i should look into?`
`14:20.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`khangg: how does it look etc?`
`14:20.43`	`khangg`	`Pkekyo\|, well it creates a bar under the fubar you have it enabled in and you can change the thickness on it`
`14:20.56`	`khangg`	`i have it so it displays the xp and how far in I am`
`14:21.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hm...I'm kinda just looking for a piece of text on my fubar telling me percentage and rested xp`
`14:21.48`	`khangg`	`you can turn it off`
`14:22.48`	`Lukian`	`Pkekyo\|, it can display information (and if you ask nicely, you can probably request the specific information you want displayed to the addon author)`
`14:22.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`will give it a try then`
`14:24.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`heh`
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`14:25.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`err...just one problem about that addon...the xp bar is showing up on the wrong fubar panel, and I can't find out how to move it :p`
`14:26.24`	`khangg`	`move the fuxpfu to a different panel`
`14:26.42`	`khangg`	`i only have one panel so its easy`
`14:27.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`didn't help, khangg`
`14:27.55`	`khangg`	`try undocked position and putting it at the top or bottom?`
`14:28.06`	`khangg`	`under properties Pkekyo\|`
`14:28.31`	`khangg`	`a reload of the interface likes to help`
`14:31.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`didn't work :<`
`14:32.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`does it always dock to the bottom panel?`
`14:33.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yup, it does >.<`
`14:33.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`poopshoots`
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`14:38.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~seen wobin`
`14:38.56`	`purl`	`wobin is currently on #wowi-lounge (7h 47m 37s) #wowace (7h 47m 37s). Has said a total of 38 messages. Is idling for 1m 17s, last said: 'easiest pet to maintain'.`
`14:39.05`	`Wobin`	`yo`
`14:39.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yo!`
`14:40.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`you're the author of FuXPFu?`
`14:40.05`	`Wobin`	`yus`
`14:40.13`	`thul`	`KILL HIM`
`14:40.17`	`kenlyric`	`Fubar_FuXPFu?`
`14:40.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yes`
`14:40.27`	`kenlyric`	`needs moar fu`
`14:40.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`is it supposed to only dock to the lower panel (if several panels are present)`
`14:40.53`	`Wobin`	`it docks to whatever panel the plugin is attached to`
`14:41.01`	`Wobin`	`or the highest/lowest of the group`
`14:42.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wobinit docks to whatever panel the plugin is attached to <--- not for me, docking to the lowest of the group, and I can't get it to dock to the highest`
`14:42.17`	`Wobin`	`screenshot?`
`14:42.31`	`Wobin`	`well -> or the highest/lowest of the group`
`14:42.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yeah, I kinda need it to dock to the highest, 'cause the lowest is hidden`
`14:43.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`can't find a way to do so though`
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`14:43.12`	`Wobin`	`Screenshot?`
`14:43.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`sure`
`14:43.29`	`Wobin`	`Cause it's hard to figure out what you mean without some more details`
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`14:48.42`	`Chompers`	`your screen seems to be creating swirls...`
`14:48.44`	`Wobin`	`so you have two fubars there?`
`14:49.03`	`Wobin`	`What's on the second one?`
`14:49.28`	`Wobin`	`Cause although I'm considering changing the addon to only stick to the current FuBar it's on, I haven't yet gotten around to changing it`
`14:49.34`	`Wobin`	`and probably won't in the near future`
`14:49.46`	`thul`	`ach, my camera is back :-D`
`14:49.50`	`Wobin`	`One suggestion I can make is to use Dash and place the 'hidden' fubar on that one`
`14:49.55`	`Wobin`	`as a detached fubar`
`14:49.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`config for addons I don't have on fubar`
`14:49.59`	`Pkekyo\|`	`q`
`14:50.06`	`Pkekyo\|`	`the hidden fubar is on dash`
`14:50.12`	`Wobin`	`Detach it then`
`14:50.30`	`Wobin`	`And then the FuXP bar should reappear on the top one`
`14:50.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yeah, it did...thanks :)`
`14:50.47`	`Wobin`	`no worries =)`
`14:51.00`	`Wobin`	`My setup is fairly much the same =)`
`14:51.05`	`Wobin`	`Dash is great for all the config plugins`
`14:51.15`	`khangg`	`i just have one bar :o`
`14:51.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yeah, I love it`
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`14:55.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what level do you have to be to get 300+ enchanting?`
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`14:55.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`what's Dash?`
`14:57.02`	`thul`	`sprint`
`14:57.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`>_<`
`14:57.15`	`Wobin`	`<3 Dash`
`14:57.25`	`thul`	`trying mutilate in bgs now`
`14:57.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Gnarfoz: full of win and awesome, that's what it is :>`
`14:57.29`	`thul`	`funtimes ahead.`
`14:57.32`	`Wobin`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7391-Dash.html`
`14:57.34`	`khangg`	`Pkekyo\|, whats it do?`
`14:57.39`	`khangg`	`ty wo`
`14:57.41`	`khangg`	`wobin*`
`14:58.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hard to explain >.<`
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`15:01.31`	`thul`	`imagine dashboard in osx :-P`
`15:01.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`weird....my slight rewrite of violation doesn't get fucked up, even though I update it :>`
`15:02.51`	`thul`	`HERETIC`
`15:04.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`here?wut?`
`15:06.06`	`Polarina`	`Now I have confirmed that the live realms run on Windows®.`
`15:06.21`	`mastashog`	`are there slimer alternatives to prat? Just redoing my ui, and I dont want to hassl around with prat allday long again`
`15:06.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Polarina: howso?`
`15:06.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`mastashog: not really...the extensivity is what made prat great`
`15:06.49`	`Polarina`	`Pkekyo\|: A Senior Game Master said so.`
`15:07.02`	`mastashog`	`hmpf^^`
`15:07.31`	`Polarina`	`Pkekyo\|: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1878637853&sid=1 - Post 10. "Like any piece of PC hardware, our servers need regularly looking after, and maintenance days allow us to do things like defragmentation, and other essential tasks which can only be performed when the realms are offline."`
`15:08.29`	`khangg`	`windows? :(`
`15:08.36`	`Polarina`	`Yes, windows.`
`15:09.18`	`khangg`	`oh well`
`15:10.43`	`thul`	`they run windows on their gaming servers?!`
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`15:11.40`	`Polarina`	`thul: Yes.`
`15:12.04`	`EvilJohn`	`link?`
`15:12.40`	`Polarina`	`EvilJohn: Look above.`
`15:12.49`	`EvilJohn`	`ah my bad`
`15:13.02`	`thul`	`wtf.`
`15:13.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`bs`
`15:13.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`:p`
`15:13.17`	`thul`	`no wonder extended maintanence is the rule :-P`
`15:13.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`defragmentation is not a sign of using windows, and GMs don't have a clue`
`15:13.19`	`kenlyric`	`maybe they defrag their linux servers?`
`15:13.40`	`EvilJohn`	`no kidding`
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`15:13.46`	`EvilJohn`	`it doesn't say they use windows`
`15:14.01`	`Polarina`	`Gnarfoz: Defragmantation doesn't exist on Linux nor Machintos. The only operating system that has the defragmentation ability is Windows.`
`15:14.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`lol`
`15:14.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`~fail Polarina`
`15:14.17`	`purl`	`Polarina: Fail.`
`15:14.26`	`Polarina`	`I did not fail!`
`15:14.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`you did`
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`15:14.42`	`EvilJohn`	`well`
`15:14.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`fragmentation has absolutely nothing to do with the operating system in use`
`15:14.47`	`Polarina`	`No I didn't!`
`15:14.52`	`EvilJohn`	`it's possible they're using something else as a file system`
`15:15.02`	`Polarina`	`Gnarfoz: Yes, but defragmentation is.`
`15:15.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`... no?`
`15:15.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`>_<`
`15:15.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, that post could quite possible be formulated for not-as-literate computer users`
`15:15.34`	`EvilJohn`	`you don't need to defrag ext3 or ext3`
`15:15.52`	`EvilJohn`	`it is possible though, that they're using some sort of file system database`
`15:15.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`you don't need to defrag NTFS either...`
`15:15.57`	`EvilJohn`	`that might need something similar`
`15:16.58`	`kenlyric`	`"The issue with Linux and Mac is not file fragmentation (as with Windows), but drive fragmentation."`
`15:17.13`	`Polarina`	`Drive fragmentation?`
`15:17.20`	`EvilJohn`	`raid arrays`
`15:17.24`	`Polarina`	`Ok.`
`15:17.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`again "as with Windows" -> file systems are NOT OS bound`
`15:17.42`	`kenlyric`	`sure they are.`
`15:17.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`they are not...`
`15:17.56`	`EvilJohn`	`Gnarfoz: for the record, ntfs most certainly fragments`
`15:17.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`I could use fat32 under linux?`
`15:18.01`	`kenlyric`	`you run your linux servers on NTFS`
`15:18.02`	`kenlyric`	`I dare you`
`15:18.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`I could.`
`15:18.12`	`kenlyric`	`I dare you`
`15:18.17`	`kenlyric`	`and not /wrist after a month.`
`15:18.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`I won't, but: I could.`
`15:18.25`	`EvilJohn`	`good article here about NTFS: http://www.digit-life.com/articles/ntfs/`
`15:18.34`	`kenlyric`	`or run windows on ext3`
`15:18.50`	`Polarina`	`Gnarfoz: There exists no implementation for Linux for NTFS write support.`
`15:18.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`Polarina: LOL`
`15:18.58`	`kenlyric`	`Polarina: fail?`
`15:19.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`Polarina: you are like ... 3 years behind times`
`15:19.06`	`Polarina`	`kenlyric: No.`
`15:19.08`	`kenlyric`	`did you travel back in time?`
`15:19.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`certainly did...`
`15:19.14`	`Polarina`	`kenlyric: There doesn't exist one.`
`15:19.24`	`EvilJohn`	`um. yes there does`
`15:19.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`there are at least 2`
`15:19.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`ntfs-3g and captive-ntfs`
`15:19.47`	`Xinhuan`	`EvilJohn: that article you linked, is so bad`
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`15:19.48`	`baer_`	`captive-ntfs is outdated by now.`
`15:19.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`baer_: it works, though. >_<`
`15:19.58`	`EvilJohn`	`Xinhuan: how so`
`15:20.00`	`Xinhuan`	`its like its translated by a robot`
`15:20.06`	`baer_`	`but ntfs-3g got a safe write support on ntfs.`
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`15:20.10`	`Xinhuan`	`from some other anguage`
`15:20.14`	`Xinhuan`	`+l`
`15:20.48`	`Xinhuan`	`the sentence structure of 90% of the sentences is not even english`
`15:21.47`	`EvilJohn`	`the author i believe is russian`
`15:21.49`	`EvilJohn`	`"By Dmitriy Mikhailov"`
`15:23.45`	`thul`	`what about the new BSD fs?`
`15:24.04`	`baer_`	`it's ufs still. :)`
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`15:24.17`	`EvilJohn`	`heh, I enver thought I'd see this: http://www.cnn.com/`
`15:24.28`	`EvilJohn`	`"Commodore 64 still loved after all these years"`
`15:24.42`	`thul`	`baer_: I'm thinking about zfs`
`15:24.45`	`thul`	`or what's its name`
`15:24.58`	`baer_`	`ufs+z. :-p`
`15:25.04`	`thul`	`http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFS <`
`15:25.39`	`kenlyric`	`dhttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/`
`15:27.01`	`kenlyric`	`I wonder which state lets you be "a registered nonpartisan"`
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`15:45.42`	`yasuo`	`hi there, do you know an addon to show me show me the amount of $item1 i am carrying?`
`15:46.12`	`Osstia`	`I think there is a Fu plugin that does yasuo`
`15:46.22`	`Osstia`	`I am trying to write one in my spare tiem`
`15:46.57`	`brotherhobbes`	`yasuo, FuBar - FarmerFu is one. it's on wowace or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4762-FuBar-FarmerFu.html`
`15:47.10`	`Osstia`	`thanks brother`
`15:47.12`	`yasuo`	`thank you brotherhobbes`
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`15:48.09`	`brotherhobbes`	`anyone free to review a Threat-1.0 module i'm trying to put together? just have some questions about what format to save the file in and some API queries`
`15:49.21`	`brotherhobbes`	`ie: should self:RegisterCombatant() be passed the name of the boss? what if there are multiple boss names, multiple calls?`
`15:50.15`	`dylanm`	`yasuo: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7021-LootCount.html is also nice.`
`15:50.29`	`JoshBorke`	`brotherhobbes: why don't you check out some of the other modules like High King Maulgar?`
`15:50.38`	`dylanm`	`If you prefer seeing big ol' icons. The interface is kinda neat too.`
`15:50.43`	`JoshBorke`	`or the one for the multi-mobs in SSC`
`15:52.21`	`brotherhobbes`	`there is not actually a module for Maulgar or Karathress, in Threat :)`
`15:52.33`	`brotherhobbes`	`the closest thing i could find was the Zul'jin module`
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`15:53.22`	`brotherhobbes`	`ooh, i'll check Kael'thas though`
`15:56.19`	`CIA-12`	`03rabbit * r56701 10SimpleBossWhisperer/SimpleBossWhisperer.lua: SimpleBossWhisperer: Cleanup and fixes, hopefully it still works.`
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`15:57.21`	`yasuo`	`what does the whisperer do?`
`15:57.59`	Funkeh`	`are you serious? :D`
`15:58.28`	`yasuo`	`yes XD does it whisper the Boss?`
`15:58.28`	Funkeh`	`Guess and I will tell you if you are right.`
`15:58.33`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`15:58.44`	`yasuo`	`dear Boss please die!`
`15:58.45`	`vhaarr`	`it recreates scenes from The Horse Whisperer with WoW models in-game.`
`15:58.50`	Funkeh`	`ya and it replies wiht 'stop trying to kill me bitch'`
`15:58.58`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`15:59.23`	`yasuo`	`sounds funny`
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`16:01.14`	Funkeh`	`Daemona, sucks`
`16:01.40`	`yasuo`	`how do you "play" such szenes?`
`16:01.47`	`yasuo`	`doesnt wow only work online?`
`16:02.33`	Funkeh`	`Try it and see`
`16:04.23`	`dylanm`	`Spam Gurtogg with gold ads until he dies.`
`16:04.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`how much gold is it common to have on your first char at lvl 40?`
`16:04.48`	`Lukian`	`Pkekyo\|, none -> enough for a mount`
`16:04.51`	`dylanm`	`Depends on what you did with your professions.`
`16:05.08`	Funkeh`	`Pkekyo\|, Is that some kind of how much should I buy question`
`16:05.23`	`dylanm`	`If I am my usual profiteering self I have mount money by 29 at the very latest.`
`16:05.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	Funkeh`: noes, just wondering if I screwed up on my mage or not :>
`16:05.44`	`Polarina`	`Pkekyo\|: I know a friend who never played WoW before and had 237 Gold at his warrior on level 37.`
`16:05.56`	`dylanm`	`Hehe.`
`16:05.57`	Funkeh`	`Depends`
`16:06.02`	`Wogroipl`	`I had about the same on my alt`
`16:06.05`	Funkeh`	`If you spend more time in the AH than leveling..`
`16:06.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Polarina: HOW?! O.o`
`16:06.11`	`Wogroipl`	`mining/skinning ftw`
`16:06.12`	Funkeh`	`then it becomes pointless`
`16:06.18`	`dylanm`	`Mining/Herbalism`
`16:06.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I've got 40g and about 200g worth of lvl 70 enchanting mats (allready have a mount)`
`16:07.00`	`Wogroipl`	`you didn't screw up then :)`
`16:07.08`	`Polarina`	`Pkekyo\|: Not sure, but he had Mining and I guess it's from the copper ores and level 70 lazyness.`
`16:07.22`	`dylanm`	`Don't get me wrong: it's really annoying and it takes me hours to go across zones because I can't bear to leave all that money on the ground.`
`16:07.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well, my main helped alot economically in leveling enchanting to 300 :p`
`16:07.38`	`CIA-12`	`03ag * r56702 10CBRipoff/embeds.xml: CBRipoff: fixed typo in embeds.xml`
`16:07.46`	`Polarina`	`Pkekyo\|: No alts..`
`16:08.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Polarina: huh?`
`16:08.06`	`Xinhuan`	`i just broke 66k gold :)`
`16:08.07`	`Wogroipl`	`my level 41 earns my main's repairs atm`
`16:08.09`	`dylanm`	`My favorite is enemies that I can pick herbs on.`
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`16:08.25`	`Xinhuan`	`don't hate me hehe`
`16:08.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Xinhuan: it's hard not to...`
`16:08.49`	`brotherhobbes`	`would anyone mind reviewing a Threat module? looking for glaring mistakes and if i saved the file correctly.`
`16:08.52`	`dylanm`	`It's impressive.`
`16:09.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I find it hard breaking 1k in total >.<`
`16:09.31`	`dylanm`	`Just don't spend and don't craft.`
`16:09.39`	`dylanm`	`Don't do it on my server though. Pro tip.`
`16:09.54`	`kergoth`	`Xinhuan: i hate you`
`16:09.57`	`dylanm`	`I send over moonkin strongmen.`
`16:10.21`	`kergoth`	`thanks to prospecting though, I have 3k in gold worth of blue gems in the bank, when before i had a few hundred gold and a few hundred in gems`
`16:10.22`	`kergoth`	`<3`
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`16:10.40`	`Xinhuan`	`:)`
`16:10.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I just hit 44 on my mage, but dunno what talent to take now :< any ideas?`
`16:10.58`	`Wogroipl`	`aye prospecting is good money too`
`16:11.05`	`dylanm`	`Just go into whatever you like. It doesn't really matter.`
`16:11.20`	`Wogroipl`	`buy ore at AH, prospect, sell gems :)`
`16:11.32`	`Xinhuan`	`i go further than that`
`16:11.38`	`Xinhuan`	`mine is`
`16:11.45`	`kergoth`	`i still can't find a damn sturdy star of elune recipe, been having to sell off enduring talasites and wicked noble topazes instead. boo for world drop recipes`
`16:11.48`	`dylanm`	`I just get a friend to do it.`
`16:11.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wogroipl: tried that...my luck goes like this: buy five stacks of adamantite ---> prospect ---> one blue gem (nightseye, which is worth jack shit on my server)`
`16:12.08`	`yasuo`	`do you know an addon to make bigger makros easy? Aupermacro does not paste itemlinks`
`16:12.24`	`kergoth`	`Pkekyo\|: yikes`
`16:12.29`	`Xinhuan`	`buy ore at AH, prospect, cut rare gems, sell rare gems, make uncommon rings, DE uncommon rings, sell dusts/essences, sell uncmmon gems for transmutes, cut epics :)`
`16:12.43`	`Xinhuan`	`and then sell enchant services and portals`
`16:12.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`kergoth: indeed...I'm rather suicidal when it comes to prospecting`
`16:13.04`	`Wogroipl`	`Pkekyo\| sell ore for others to prospect then "{`
`16:13.26`	`kergoth`	`i have a 360 or so alchemist that i use to transmute earthstorms regularly, that's about all i use that character for actually.. kinda sad`
`16:13.34`	`dylanm`	`Not gonna lie even at 70 I still fish a couple stacks of deviate fish every day and sell that stuff for like 6g. Kind of a waste of time when I think about it.`
`16:13.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wogroipl: when I do that, they get blue gems :p`
`16:13.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`(sad but true)`
`16:13.54`	`dylanm`	`But I get to read Barrens chat.`
`16:13.56`	`Xinhuan`	`i just broke prospecting 135k ore since patch 2.1`
`16:14.04`	`Xinhuan`	`thats the volume i go thru`
`16:14.06`	`Wogroipl`	`at least you sold the ore then`
`16:14.20`	`kadrahil`	`wow`
`16:14.21`	`kadrahil`	`haha`
`16:14.23`	`kadrahil`	`"No Executable Uploadsposted by Rushster on 03/12/2007`
`16:14.23`	`kadrahil`	`As I have had some PMs on this I just want to confirm that as of last week, the site will no longer accept exectuable files as uploads.Read the full story...`
`16:14.28`	`kadrahil`	`on wowui`
`16:14.38`	`dylanm`	`You've gotta develop strategies for dealing with your naturally bad luck.`
`16:14.53`	`Xinhuan`	`luck is averaged out over time`
`16:15.20`	`Xinhuan`	`135k ore gives me accurate statiscal data for the gems % you get out of each prospect hehe`
`16:15.40`	`brotherhobbes`	`yea... i'm definitely saving this file wrong... hmm -> Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\NPCModules\BlackTemple\Souls.lua:1: unexpected symbol near '?�`
`16:15.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`dylanmYou've gotta develop strategies for dealing with your naturally bad luck. <----- got any ideas?`
`16:15.51`	`dylanm`	`I was kidding :p`
`16:16.02`	`dylanm`	`I mean there shouldn't be such a thing, no?`
`16:16.02`	`RaydenUni`	`Pkekyo\| diversify`
`16:16.05`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`16:16.09`	`RaydenUni`	`that's what you do for stocks`
`16:16.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`RaydenUni: err...wha?`
`16:16.39`	`RaydenUni`	`<Xinhuan> luck is averaged out over time <-- not necessarily. it's only guaranteed if you take it to infinity`
`16:16.40`	`Xinhuan`	`believe in the Central Limit Thereom ;p`
`16:16.43`	Funkeh`	`brotherhobbes, your editor sucks`
`16:16.45`	`Osstia`	`can luck actually be diversified?`
`16:16.52`	`brotherhobbes`	`Could someone recommend a text editor, I'm using SciTE`
`16:16.52`	`RaydenUni`	`luck doesn't exist`
`16:16.59`	`RaydenUni`	`brotherhobbes for what? i like Scite`
`16:17.00`	Funkeh`	`brotherhobbes, get one that supports UTF like notepad++`
`16:17.20`	`RaydenUni`	`scite is the best light text editor i've found`
`16:17.25`	`brotherhobbes`	`I don't see an option in SciTE to do any UTF stuff, I'll got get that notepad++ one`
`16:17.37`	`brotherhobbes`	`* go get`
`16:17.40`	Funkeh`	`Yeah because when it comes to text editors and coding, light is what you want...`
`16:18.18`	`RaydenUni`	Funkeh` that's why i asked what he wanted
`16:18.24`	`dylanm`	`If you're on a Mac you might want to give Textmate a try. Otherwise, choose your side in the vim/emacs wars.`
`16:18.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`17:17brotherhobbesCould someone recommend a text editor, I'm using SciTE <---------- WinSyntax (if on a windows box)`
`16:18.30`	`RaydenUni`	`if you want something for writing C++ projects, then scite is not enough`
`16:18.33`	Funkeh`	`brotherhobbes, why do you have a souls module`
`16:18.40`	`RaydenUni`	`but if you just want something to edit text files, Scite is perfect`
`16:18.50`	`brotherhobbes`	`I'm writing it, Funky`
`16:18.58`	Funkeh`	`brotherhobbes, souls doesn't need a module`
`16:19.12`	`brotherhobbes`	`It does not reset global threat between desire and anger`
`16:19.22`	Funkeh`	`I wrote one ages ago and removed it ebcause threat handles new mobs fine`
`16:19.29`	Funkeh`	`Worked for me this week`
`16:19.39`	`brotherhobbes`	`Hmm, I have to manually reset global threat each week`
`16:19.47`	`brotherhobbes`	`shift+clicking on the icon`
`16:19.49`	Funkeh`	`Its specifically designed to have a fresh threat table on a new mob`
`16:20.02`	`Insieme`	`anyone a suggestion on a leveling warrior specc, go for 41 or specc into arms for impale?`
`16:20.12`	`brotherhobbes`	`Do you drop out of combat after killing Essence of Desire?`
`16:20.17`	Funkeh`	`no`
`16:20.44`	`brotherhobbes`	`I do for maybe a second or two after Suffering, which clears global`
`16:20.44`	Funkeh`	`You never drop out of combat during that encounter`
`16:20.57`	Funkeh`	`You are lucky to drop out even after its finished because of the combat bug`
`16:21.09`	`brotherhobbes`	`Yea, that's super annoying`
`16:21.30`	`brotherhobbes`	`We have to DI someone each time to rez`
`16:21.35`	`kadrahil`	`ugh`
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`16:21.42`	`kadrahil`	`i'm still using the freakin vindicator's smasher on my pally`
`16:21.45`	`kadrahil`	`at level 24 :s`
`16:21.48`	`kadrahil`	`err`
`16:21.49`	`kadrahil`	`shaman`
`16:21.55`	`kadrahil`	`where did pally come from.`
`16:22.05`	Funkeh`	`Your desire to be one.`
`16:22.11`	`kadrahil`	`i have one, it's 31 ;/`
`16:22.15`	`brotherhobbes`	`So you never have to clear threat before Anger?`
`16:22.24`	Funkeh`	`Nope`
`16:22.46`	Funkeh`	`sure theres the odd 1 or 2 bugged pets that don't clear, but Antiarc already knows about that, its not isolated to the souls encounter.`
`16:23.16`	`Xinhuan`	there's actually a few new reports abot pets threat not clearing Funkeh`,
`16:23.19`	`brotherhobbes`	`We pretty consistently go into Anger with all the healers listed from Desire`
`16:23.32`	`Xinhuan`	`it seems related to this week's threat updates`
`16:23.50`	`Chompers`	`pet threat hasnt been clearing for weeks now`
`16:23.54`	`Chompers`	`even months`
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`16:24.11`	`kadrahil`	`!item vindicator's smasher`
`16:24.24`	`kadrahil`	`!i vindicator's smasher`
`16:24.33`	`brotherhobbes`	`I personally have not seen the pet issues recently`
`16:24.37`	`Xinhuan`	`if thraebot fails, i can activate my !item bot here ;p`
`16:24.46`	`kadrahil`	`thraebot isn't here`
`16:24.47`	`kadrahil`	`;(`
`16:25.04`	`Xinhuan`	`however its a bit spammy`
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`16:25.18`	`kadrahil`	`i really really want the slaghammer`
`16:25.25`	`Xinhuan`	`since i also actually report where an item comes from (which boss, pvp, arena, bg, etc)`
`16:25.33`	`kadrahil`	`11 str, 10 stam, 23.7 dps level 24 2h mace`
`16:25.39`	`Xinhuan`	`plus the full tooltip text`
`16:25.54`	`kadrahil`	`compared to my 3 str, 2 stam, 10.7 dps 2h mace i'm using now`
`16:25.57`	`kadrahil`	`:(`
`16:26.04`	`Kalroth`	`Is there an addon that can see how much time other addons spends doing updates etc?`
`16:26.14`	`kadrahil`	`the damage output... mine is 24-36 damage, the slaghammer is 53-80 O_O`
`16:26.24`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm yes, its called "CPU Profiling"`
`16:26.42`	`Xinhuan`	`you can observe this from performanceFu or usageFu`
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`16:28.33`	`yasuo`	`any1 knows an addon to make bigger makros easy? Supermacro does not paste itemlinks`
`16:29.04`	`Xinhuan`	`you can't paste itemlinks in any macro`
`16:29.17`	`Xinhuan`	`you can put itemlinks in macros in indirect ways though`
`16:29.47`	`Xinhuan`	`but they require extra work and/or wow api knowledge`
`16:30.01`	`yasuo`	`well sure i can`
`16:30.17`	`yasuo`	`just shift-click the item and it pastes`
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`16:30.31`	`yasuo`	`but supermacro does not do that`
`16:31.06`	`dylanm`	`yasuo: Not into the default macro window, surely.`
`16:31.24`	`dylanm`	`I know you can do it by using CreateMacro in the editbox.`
`16:31.51`	`Xinhuan`	`using createmacro() in the editbox is one of the indirect ways`
`16:32.08`	`Xinhuan`	`the other is too /run GetItemInfo() and SendChatMessage`
`16:32.13`	`yasuo`	`http://yasuo.de/mirror/upload/WoWScrnShot_120707_173110.jpg`
`16:32.16`	`Xinhuan`	`to get the link and construct the mssage`
`16:32.46`	`Xinhuan`	`your wow must me special`
`16:32.49`	`Xinhuan`	`be*`
`16:32.54`	`dylanm`	`Must be.`
`16:33.01`	`dylanm`	`Haxx.`
`16:33.06`	`Xinhuan`	`because itemlinks can't be pasted into the default macro window`
`16:33.07`	`yasuo`	`yeah its german`
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`16:33.17`	`kaiden\|work`	`Xinhuan, uhm.. since when?`
`16:33.21`	`Xinhuan`	`either an addon you have changes that behavior`
`16:33.25`	`Xinhuan`	`since forever?`
`16:33.26`	`yasuo`	`hm dunno, did you try it theese days?`
`16:33.27`	`kaiden\|work`	`i did it just last night and i dont have any addons on my laptop`
`16:33.42`	`Xinhuan`	`shift clicking an item only pastes the name`
`16:33.44`	`brotherhobbes`	`thanks for the notepad++ recommendation, got it set to UTF and have it showing strings in unicode. file is actually loading in wow now`
`16:33.51`	`kaiden\|work`	`Xinhuan, i know they used to not be able to`
`16:33.57`	`kaiden\|work`	`Xinhuan, that's why you drag and drop it`
`16:34.01`	`kaiden\|work`	`onto the macro window`
`16:34.21`	`Xinhuan`	`that doesn't work either?`
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`16:34.40`	`dylanm`	`That works?`
`16:34.41`	`dylanm`	`Holy wow.`
`16:34.44`	`Xinhuan`	`it doesn't`
`16:35.03`	`Xinhuan`	`my wow doesn't do anything`
`16:35.04`	`kaiden\|work`	`meh..... for something that "doesn't work" it sure works good`
`16:35.05`	`kaiden\|work`	`:)`
`16:35.12`	`kaiden\|work`	`Xinhuan, your wow must not be special`
`16:35.13`	`kaiden\|work`	`lol`
`16:35.15`	`yasuo`	`ok you are right with no macros activated it does not paste the link`
`16:35.21`	`yasuo`	`s/macros7addons/`
`16:35.35`	`kaiden\|work`	`weird.. mine does and i have no addons enabled i dont think`
`16:35.42`	`kaiden\|work`	`i'll double check.. knowing me i have prat or something`
`16:35.45`	`kaiden\|work`	`and that's what's causing it`
`16:35.48`	`Xinhuan`	`you have an addon that allows it possibly, because by default, you can't`
`16:36.03`	`Xinhuan`	`otherwise the UI forums wouldn't have someone asking that question everyday`
`16:36.05`	`Xinhuan`	`without fail`
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`16:36.12`	`Xinhuan`	`oh how to put an itemlink into a macro`
`16:36.13`	`yasuo`	`ok ok ok i mean enchant-links`
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`16:36.22`	`yasuo`	`maybe i got something wrong`
`16:36.28`	`yasuo`	`sorry`
`16:36.49`	`Xinhuan`	`oh recipe links work, but definitely not itemlinks`
`16:37.06`	`kaiden\|work`	`isn't that what we were talking about?`
`16:37.15`	`kaiden\|work`	`i use it for advertising crafting`
`16:37.15`	`Xinhuan`	`no?`
`16:37.29`	`Xinhuan`	`[12/8 00:30:24] <yasuo> any1 knows an addon to make bigger makros easy? Supermacro does not paste itemlinks`
`16:37.37`	`Xinhuan`	`that was the original topic starter`
`16:37.45`	`yasuo`	`<yasuo> maybe i got something wrong <<<`
`16:37.46`	`Xinhuan`	`hence itemlinks was my assumption`
`16:37.46`	`kaiden\|work`	`ah .. everyone and their technicalities`
`16:37.48`	`kaiden\|work`	`;p`
`16:38.03`	`yasuo`	`any1 knows an addon to make bigger makros easy? Supermacro does not paste recaiptlinks`
`16:38.10`	`Xinhuan`	`itemlinks and recipelinks have totally different formats, big difference!`
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`16:38.28`	`Xinhuan`	`not really yasuo`
`16:38.37`	`kaiden\|work`	`Xinhuan, i'm going to buy you a pet donkey for xmas ;)`
`16:38.56`	`Xinhuan`	`supermacro is the only such addon, no ace2 version either`
`16:39.18`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll prefer a blob pet :)`
`16:39.25`	`Xinhuan`	`gogo felwood`
`16:39.44`	`kaiden\|work`	`well......... i'll do what i can`
`16:42.02`	`kergoth`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7911-MacroSequence.html could do for making bigger macros, but you have to configure it via lua`
`16:42.19`	`CIA-12`	`03joshborke 07Ace3 * r56703 10RaidCast/RaidCast_Config.lua: RaidCast: more options stuff`
`16:42.36`	`Xinhuan`	`is that cogwheel's addon?`
`16:42.46`	`Xinhuan`	`or am i thinking of a different addon`
`16:42.51`	`kergoth`	`Xinhuan: yea`
`16:43.41`	`Xinhuan`	`that doesn't really make "bigger" macros... just allows you to chain macros together in a "fake castsequence" ;p`
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`16:44.09`	`kergoth`	`Xinhuan: "In addition to its sequencing, the macros can be of unlimited length. This makes MacroSequence a contender as an extended macro addon."`
`16:44.28`	`Xinhuan`	`it uses createmacro() then?`
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`16:44.51`	`kergoth`	`pretty sure it just sets attributes on a button, and you execute by /click'ing the button`
`16:45.01`	`kergoth`	`so set up the big macro in it, then make a single macro to click on it`
`16:45.14`	`Xinhuan`	`makes sense`
`16:47.50`	`kaiden\|work`	`i mean if you are gonna do it via lua just have your own addon with /commands bound to functions and call those functions from within the macros? or is that what you are saying it does`
`16:48.50`	`kergoth`	`kaiden\|work: those functions wouldnt be able to do anything secure.`
`16:49.02`	`kergoth`	`you cant just /script a spellcast :P`
`16:49.28`	`kaiden\|work`	`i thought as long as a keyboard call was what was activating it... you could`
`16:49.42`	`kaiden\|work`	`sorry i haven't done ANYTHING in lua since erm... like just before 2.0 was released`
`16:49.43`	`kaiden\|work`	`:P`
`16:49.58`	`kaiden\|work`	`back when i was working on the LazyScripts systems (got angry at lua when they took away my easy mode)`
`16:50.07`	`Xinhuan`	`hehe`
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`16:50.28`	`Xinhuan`	`nope kaiden, any spellcasting must be by secure code and untainted`
`16:50.32`	`kergoth`	`it doesnt erquire just keyboard intiiated anymore, it requires that the calling code be secure`
`16:50.35`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`16:51.32`	`Xinhuan`	`the only secure code availble for spellcasting is those provided by /cast and variant commands, and the secure onclick handlers inherritted from securetemplates`
`16:52.05`	`kaiden\|work`	`did it actually serve any purpose getting rid of it`
`16:52.06`	`kaiden\|work`	`in all honesty`
`16:52.21`	`kaiden\|work`	`it didn't decrease the amount of gold farmers like they thought it would`
`16:52.52`	`RaydenUni`	`doing what?`
`16:53.04`	`Xinhuan`	`no, the purpose wasn't to reduce gold farmers`
`16:53.13`	`Xinhuan`	`it was to reduce addon automation`
`16:53.18`	`RaydenUni`	`oh`
`16:53.24`	`Xinhuan`	`such as decursive`
`16:53.31`	`Xinhuan`	`or auto-cancel-cast behavior`
`16:53.36`	`Xinhuan`	`or auto spellrank select`
`16:53.38`	`dylanm`	`Gold farmers are still doing their thing just fine.`
`16:53.52`	`durcyn`	`smartassist was the shit way back when`
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`16:54.05`	`kergoth`	`man i miss smartassist`
`16:54.11`	`kergoth`	`that was awesome`
`16:54.22`	`kaiden\|work`	`I wish to god blizz would add attack through functionality like EQ2 has`
`16:54.36`	`kaiden\|work`	`you target your tank and never untarget him and every attack you make goes to his target instead`
`16:54.53`	`durcyn`	`eh, you can fudge that now with targettarget macros`
`16:54.54`	`dylanm`	`You could implement that pretty easily no?`
`16:55.06`	`dylanm`	`Well making a macro for everything sucks.`
`16:55.15`	`dylanm`	`But you could make a nice addon right?`
`16:55.16`	`kaiden\|work`	`yeah you could do it with macros`
`16:55.18`	`kaiden\|work`	`but it's not the same`
`16:55.29`	`dylanm`	`This is all header-doable. But it in a bar mod or something.`
`16:55.33`	`durcyn`	`no, dylan, since addons can no longer target or cast in combat lockdown`
`16:55.34`	`RaydenUni`	`it would be nice if you could wrap a bunch of spells with a macro`
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`16:55.55`	`durcyn`	`castsequence, perhaps`
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`16:56.28`	`dylanm`	`durcyn: But you can modify the target of an actionbutton's spell based on help/harm right with a secure header, right?`
`16:56.47`	`dylanm`	`To some predefined thing like targettarget.`
`16:56.53`	`sb`	`hmm what is "CastCommLib"?`
`16:57.31`	`CIA-12`	`03tawerner * r56704 10Rep2/ (Rep2.lua Rep2.toc embeds.xml):`
`16:57.31`	`CIA-12`	`Rep2:`
`16:57.31`	`CIA-12`	`- Code cleanup`
`16:57.31`	`CIA-12`	`- Added reputation tracking through Exalted and Hated, for those that like to get to 999/1000 :)`
`16:57.31`	`CIA-12`	`- TOC 20300`
`16:57.39`	`brotherhobbes`	`sb, it's used with some addons like Grid`
`16:57.54`	`brotherhobbes`	`used to communicate when spells are being cast`
`16:57.55`	`sb`	`well but i cant find it :)`
`16:58.16`	`brotherhobbes`	`Grid uses it to mark the corners with a green box if a healing spell is incoming, for example`
`16:58.34`	`dylanm`	`Yeah that's incredibly useful.`
`16:58.42`	`sb`	`yes... but where is it? :)`
`16:58.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`on grids svn`
`16:59.00`	`brotherhobbes`	`huh, i don't have it anymore either... weird`
`16:59.22`	`sb`	`RaidCast (ace3 blah, testing stuff) depends on it :o`
`16:59.39`	`sb`	`hm well its optdeps, but still...`
`16:59.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://grid.13th-floor.org/svn/trunk/CastCommLib`
`16:59.58`	`brotherhobbes`	`i don't see it on the wowace svn either, sb`
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`17:00.10`	`sb`	`see :p`
`17:00.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`or download the grid zip and just pull it from the libs dir`
`17:00.26`	`sb`	`mhyep`
`17:01.13`	`dylanm`	`It's not on the wowace svn I don't think.`
`17:01.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`its an external for grid i think so if you download the zip it should be in the libs dir`
`17:01.52`	`sb`	`yup, trying to d/l from curse...`
`17:01.56`	`CIA-12`	`03ackis * r56705 10AckisRecipeList/ARL-LeatherWork.lua:`
`17:01.56`	`CIA-12`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`17:01.56`	`CIA-12`	`- Update for Netherscale Ammo Pouch`
`17:01.57`	`dylanm`	`For some reason propget is not helping me`
`17:02.05`	`sb`	`yep, its there! :P`
`17:02.05`	`dylanm`	`I'm doing this wrong but I don't know how :(`
`17:02.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`what are you propgetting?`
`17:02.44`	`durcyn`	`svn pg svn:externals fo ?`
`17:02.45`	`durcyn`	`foo*`
`17:02.47`	`dylanm`	`Oh there we go`
`17:03.00`	`dylanm`	`Didn't go into /lib. Stupid of me.`
`17:03.07`	`dylanm`	`Do a svn pg svn:externals http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/RaidCast/Ace3/lib`
`17:03.17`	`dylanm`	`Whoa.`
`17:03.18`	`dylanm`	`Not there.`
`17:03.21`	`dylanm`	`AWESOME.`
`17:03.33`	`sb`	`thats my problem :)`
`17:03.36`	`durcyn`	`a winner is you, apparently.`
`17:03.37`	`sb`	`or - at least - was`
`17:03.51`	`sb`	`there are some other libs missing (AceComm, AceLocale)`
`17:03.51`	`Xinhuan`	`maybe its not an external, and is actually part of the addon?`
`17:03.57`	`sb`	`no its not`
`17:04.00`	`sb`	`libs is empty`
`17:04.18`	`dylanm`	`Where'd JoshBorke go :(`
`17:04.32`	`dylanm`	`I'm glad he's working on this stuff again though.`
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`17:07.44`	`Xinhuan`	`i wish the wowace svn had a "what links here" feature :(`
`17:08.09`	`Xinhuan`	`to see how many and what addons link to an external, like on wiki pages`
`17:08.11`	`dylanm`	`For libs?`
`17:08.22`	`dylanm`	`That would be interesting information.`
`17:08.25`	`Xinhuan`	`ya`
`17:08.40`	`dylanm`	`Especially to see usage when you're trying to use a lib and there isn't a lot of documentation.`
`17:09.18`	`CIA-12`	`03ackis * r56706 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLLocals-enUS.lua AckisRecipeList.lua):`
`17:09.18`	`CIA-12`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`17:09.18`	`CIA-12`	`- Added PVP recipe filter`
`17:09.22`	`Xinhuan`	`or to see what addons still use a deprecated lib`
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`17:30.26`	`Osstia`	`Wil AG_UnitFrames highlight a person's frame with colors for debuffs?`
`17:30.53`	`Osstia`	`I am looking to replace Xperl for an Ace addon, and I like AG, but that is one Xperl feature I love`
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`17:32.16`	`NeoTron`	`so is Phase 3 Reliquary of Souls much like the end of fights like leotheras and archimonde - check to see if enough people survived previous phase(s) to do DPS?`
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`17:32.38`	`NeoTron`	`first time we got there, we won without any trouble. it wasn't even that close`
`17:32.44`	`CIA-12`	`03whitetooth * r56707 10RatingBuster/RatingBuster.lua:`
`17:32.44`	`CIA-12`	`RatingBuster:`
`17:32.44`	`CIA-12`	`- Fixed: Error when sorting StatSummary alphabetically`
`17:32.44`	`CIA-12`	`1.3.0`
`17:33.16`	`QuantumDelta`	`ckknight you about dude?`
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`17:54.16`	`TheKarn`	`so what's happened to WAU?`
`17:54.35`	`QuantumDelta`	`whatcha mean?`
`17:57.12`	`dylanm`	`It being closed-source now?`
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`18:00.06`	`QuantumDelta`	`Sylvaan is the guy to ask about that I guess`
`18:00.35`	`Chompers`	`does anyone have some decent grid layouts?`
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`18:00.55`	`Chompers`	`or ideas for where things could be placed`
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`18:01.26`	`Matrix110`	`WAU is closed source already for quite some time`
`18:01.38`	`Matrix110`	`didnt you read the drama thread`
`18:01.47`	`Matrix110`	`some person threating sylvanaar to sue etc. :P`
`18:02.17`	`sylvanaar`	`i hate that guy`
`18:02.46`	`Osstia`	`I have a stupid question`
`18:03.04`	`Osstia`	`I dragged the config window for bartender too high on my screen, and now i cannot move it down`
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`18:03.16`	`Osstia`	`so the top 1/5th of the window is no longer visible`
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`18:05.19`	`stavmar`	`does anyone know how to stop showing people arriving and leaving the chat room in Colloquy?`
`18:06.05`	`MoonWolf`	`not familiar with that client`
`18:10.25`	`dylanm`	`stavmar: I've started editing my own skin for stuff like that :p`
`18:10.46`	`stavmar`	`dylanm: ok`
`18:11.06`	`dylanm`	`If you're familiar with xsl/js/css you might want to look into it. It's all inside the package.`
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`18:11.19`	`stavmar`	`this iphone colloquy stup is just sweet, it works quite nicely`
`18:11.22`	`Kemayo`	`Osstia: Yes.`
`18:11.25`	`NivFreak`	`How do the boss mod range checking functions work?`
`18:11.25`	`stavmar`	`setup*`
`18:11.40`	`NivFreak`	`range from other players in your raid etc`
`18:11.43`	`Shirik`	`NivFreak: You use some kind of spell range, etc.`
`18:11.48`	`Shirik`	`trade range`
`18:11.50`	`Shirik`	`something like this`
`18:11.52`	`NivFreak`	`k`
`18:11.58`	Funkeh`	`probably best using spell`
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`18:12.06`	`Julith`	`Is there any documentation for AceModuleCore-2.0 except of the automatically generatet api?`
`18:12.09`	`NivFreak`	`so it's not possible to use the same method to make sure you're close enough ;)`
`18:23.26`	`NeoTron`	`Shahraz on Sunday. whee`
`18:23.44`	`NeoTron`	`still down HoD's for the raid so we're running Shahraz trash farming runs tnight and tomorrow night`
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`18:51.49`	`CIA-12`	`03xska * r56708 10AceProfit/AceProfit.lua:`
`18:51.49`	`CIA-12`	`AceProfit:`
`18:51.49`	`CIA-12`	`- added a check for MI2_FindItemValue, thanks egingell`
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`19:21.27`	`CIA-12`	`03ackis * r56709 10AckisRecipeList/ (14 files):`
`19:21.27`	`CIA-12`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`19:21.27`	`CIA-12`	`- Made change to allow recipes to have multiple flags (ie: multiple classes, faction and raid flag, etc)`
`19:21.27`	`CIA-12`	`- Modified databases to fit with change`
`19:22.29`	`cncfanatics`	`ding, level 70 rogue :)`
`19:25.12`	`Srosh`	`Grats.`
`19:25.34`	`kergoth`	`grats!`
`19:25.44`	`CIA-12`	`03celellach * r56710 10AtlasLoot/ (Constants/constants.en.lua Instances/instances.en.lua):`
`19:25.44`	`CIA-12`	`AtlasLoot:`
`19:25.44`	`CIA-12`	`- Fixed the Naxx map links`
`19:28.33`	`nabil`	`can someone refrence me to a site or tell me how to have an addon put a message in the chat window?`
`19:29.19`	`kaiden\|work`	`ChatFrame#:AddMessage("Your Message");`
`19:29.20`	`kaiden\|work`	`;)`
`19:29.29`	`kaiden\|work`	`where # is the # of the chatframe you want to add a message to`
`19:31.15`	`nabil`	`Sweet, thanks`
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`19:45.17`	`RaydenUni`	`so WAU doesn't work on macs`
`19:45.20`	`RaydenUni`	`any alternatives?`
`19:46.11`	`\|Stan\|`	`~wau2`
`19:46.12`	`purl`	`methinks wau2 is http://wowace.com/wau2`
`19:46.40`	`dashkal`	`ooo, java. no .NET`
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`19:47.28`	`cncfanatics`	`doesn't work`
`19:47.33`	`cncfanatics`	`at least not on my linux`
`19:48.08`	`Fisker-`	`java ain't good :(`
`19:48.11`	`Lemming2K`	`is it possible to add a new row to the guild list?`
`19:48.55`	`dashkal`	`JNLP security would be excelent... iuf it actually told you what permissions it was asking for`
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`19:52.02`	`Kemayo`	`RaydenUni: wowace.py`
`19:53.21`	`Kemayo`	`Lemming2K: Sure.`
`19:53.40`	`Lemming2K`	`got a hint what to look for?`
`19:53.49`	`Lemming2K`	`in the api?`
`19:55.07`	`Kemayo`	`Take a look at http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/AuldLangSyne/GuildList/GuildList.lua in the GuildStatus_Update function near the bottom.`
`19:55.13`	`brotherhobbes`	`RaydenUni, if you visit the wowace forums, there are a number of mac and java updaters listed. here's a link http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?board=57.0`
`19:55.59`	`brotherhobbes`	`there's JWoWUpdater, WoWMatrix, WoW UI Updater. probably more`
`19:56.01`	`Kemayo`	`Lemming2k: It doesn't deal directly with adding new rows, but adding new rows is a fairly simple extension of it.`
`19:56.03`	`Lemming2K`	`thanks`
`19:56.18`	`Estil`	`wow forums are not working for me`
`19:56.20`	`Estil`	`what about you guys`
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`19:57.41`	`EvilJohn`	`working here`
`20:06.42`	`Estil`	`qq it doesn't work for me for some reason`
`20:06.51`	`Estil`	`I cannot trol... I mean, post constructively`
`20:06.57`	`NeoTron`	`how likely is it to kill Illidan in the next 2 weeks when we're about to (likely) kill Shahraz sunday? :P (2 weeks = 8 raid days of 4 hrs)`
`20:07.38`	`Estil`	`way too many factors to be able to answer that D:`
`20:07.42`	`NeoTron`	`hehe`
`20:08.08`	`NeoTron`	`18 tries on RoS before kill (should have been less but ppl messed up)`
`20:09.03`	`NeoTron`	`wouldkick ass to repeat waht a former guild did - we killed Nefarian the last raid day before christmas :)`
`20:09.44`	`khangg`	`you guys make my realm sound so nub`
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`20:10.20`	`Estil`	`speaking of trolls`
`20:10.39`	`Estil`	`I just came to realize general wow forum representative icon is a troll male face`
`20:12.21`	`Srosh`	`How fitting.`
`20:12.29`	`NeoTron`	`khangg: we've done quite ok for sure`
`20:12.38`	`khangg`	`NeoTron, yeah`
`20:12.46`	`khangg`	`my guild just started BT yesterday me thinks`
`20:12.53`	`NeoTron`	`have had some rough times due to absenses and such (kael'thas >100 tries anyone?)`
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`20:13.12`	`NeoTron`	`because some people just couldn't learn to stay a live in phase 1 and 3`
`20:13.30`	`NeoTron`	`"wut is gaze? can I mele? bombs ? boms no harm me1!!"`
`20:15.54`	`sb`	`haha NeoTron :o`
`20:17.23`	`brotherhobbes`	`neotron, took us about 2 weeks after mother to kill illidan. although it honestly should have just been 1. had a lot of 2%, 4%, etc wipes`
`20:18.21`	`brotherhobbes`	`if you already have two tanks with a FR set, that will help too`
`20:23.00`	`NivFreak`	`are they using the Heroic badges FR gear?`
`20:23.02`	`NivFreak`	`for illidan`
`20:23.18`	`NeoTron`	`one tank is there, but I'm just queuring about the toher two`
`20:23.47`	`NeoTron`	`you do need, I presume, to be a tank?`
`20:23.55`	`NeoTron`	`meaning uncrittable`
`20:24.00`	`NeoTron`	`or can anyone with FR tank it?`
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`20:24.14`	`NeoTron`	`i.e hydross sryle tank vs leotheras style tank`
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`20:29.08`	`brotherhobbes`	`sorry, was afk a minute there`
`20:29.32`	`brotherhobbes`	`we have our FR tanks be crit immune and as close to 365 FR with aura/totem as they can get`
`20:30.30`	`brotherhobbes`	`we've used druids and warriors to do it`
`20:32.14`	`NivFreak`	`AV got fixed`
`20:33.34`	`QuantumDelta`	`pallys make excellent flame tanks`
`20:38.43`	`Bibi`	`hey my wonderful IRC friends`
`20:38.48`	`NivFreak`	`I've decided`
`20:38.51`	`NivFreak`	`prot warriors must be viable in arena`
`20:38.52`	`NivFreak`	`BUFFS PLEASE`
`20:39.05`	`Bibi`	`anyone know how to sync MSN between two computers (same account, obviously) ?`
`20:39.24`	`NivFreak`	`messenger?`
`20:39.28`	`Bibi`	`yes`
`20:39.36`	`NivFreak`	`your lists are kept server side`
`20:39.39`	`NivFreak`	`it should just work`
`20:39.46`	`stavmar`	`yeah that is the case`
`20:39.47`	`Bibi`	`yeah but I don't want to get disconnected`
`20:39.49`	`Bibi`	`^`
`20:39.54`	`Bibi`	`damn, stupid synergy`
`20:39.56`	`Bibi`	`^^ !`
`20:40.04`	`stavmar`	`sign in while the other is connected?`
`20:40.26`	`stavmar`	`with goole talk i can connect toeh server on unlimited computers`
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`20:49.17`	`Orionshock`	`morning all`
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`21:13.37`	`Orionshock`	`they need to seriously nerf warriors`
`21:13.40`	`Orionshock`	`like nothing else`
`21:14.37`	`Sedai`	`are you a rogue?`
`21:15.51`	`Orionshock`	`druid`
`21:16.32`	`Chompers`	`go bear form`
`21:16.43`	`Orionshock`	`.... no`
`21:16.45`	`Orionshock`	`dosn't work`
`21:16.55`	`Chompers`	`yes it does, unless they're T6 geared`
`21:17.11`	`Orionshock`	`i'd be willing to bet s2`
`21:17.13`	`brotherhobbes`	`bash, cyclone, travel`
`21:17.28`	`Orionshock`	`even so, im in all kara epix, it's close`
`21:19.39`	`Antiarc`	`Yaaaaaaaay`
`21:19.42`	`Antiarc`	`Rails 2.0's gone gold`
`21:19.55`	`Chompers`	`rails 2 ?`
`21:21.43`	`Orionshock`	`no, it's wrong that they can put out ~9k dmg in ~20 seconds and i can berly pull half that in 2x the time`
`21:22.18`	`Orionshock`	`it's complete bullshit`
`21:22.26`	`Chompers`	`blah blah blah`
`21:22.50`	`Chompers`	`what's it like being able to spec for both dps and tanking?`
`21:23.02`	`Osstia`	`Orionshock you do realise you can heal though right?`
`21:23.26`	`Osstia`	`Hybrids bitching about not being able to keep up with Rogues/Warraios/Mages pisses me off...`
`21:23.26`	`Orionshock`	`Osstia: you are an idiot did u know that?`
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`21:23.37`	`Orionshock`	`try to heal though that duah!`
`21:23.46`	`Orionshock`	`it's called spell interuption??`
`21:23.53`	`Orionshock`	`did that ever come to mind?`
`21:23.57`	`Orionshock`	`kick, pummle`
`21:24.32`	`Orionshock`	`fk .. melee'ed`
`21:24.33`	`Orionshock`	`you say barskin... ok that works for 10 seconds`
`21:24.33`	`Osstia`	`cyclone, travel, heal, come back`
`21:25.08`	`Osstia`	`if you want to pound people and nothing else, roll a DPS class. Don't whine for them to make your hybrid as good as them`
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`21:29.10`	`Orionshock_`	`:\ got disco'ed`
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`21:44.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i just soloed onyxia phase I /flex`
`21:44.12`	`Osstia`	`wow`
`21:44.17`	`Osstia`	`that had to be entertaining`
`21:44.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`lol, no`
`21:44.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`she got stuck in a wall`
`21:44.36`	`jy`	`it happens to me also`
`21:44.46`	`jy`	`stuck in the whelps`
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`21:44.56`	`jy`	`but we were 3`
`21:44.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i sent my tallstrider at her and she went fleeing to her whelp pens`
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`21:45.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yeah, so were we, but nobody else could hit her >8P`
`21:45.30`	`jy`	`^^`
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`21:47.13`	`jy`	`35g and 18 slots bags is worth farming ony`
`21:50.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`then she went to phase II and summoned more whelps than i've seen in all my other runs combined`
`21:50.39`	`Fisker-`	`that's because you don't know how to play lalala`
`21:50.46`	`Fisker-`	`also 18 slot bags sucks`
`21:50.51`	`Fisker-`	`20 slot bags is where it's at`
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`21:52.15`	`jy`	`the only thing which can fill up my 18 slots bags are mana opts`
`21:52.16`	`jy`	`pots*`
`21:53.31`	`QuantumDelta`	`18 slots? :<`
`21:53.37`	`QuantumDelta`	`you didn't have full 18 before TBC? :<`
`21:53.53`	`jy`	`i never won any ony bag before BC :(`
`21:54.02`	`QuantumDelta`	`they were craftable`
`21:54.07`	`QuantumDelta`	`same as 20 slots are now :P`
`21:54.23`	`jy`	`healer dont have money to put into fancy ^^`
`21:54.34`	`jy`	`had*`
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`21:54.43`	`QuantumDelta`	`class?`
`21:54.47`	`jy`	`druid`
`21:54.54`	`QuantumDelta`	`hmm`
`21:54.59`	`QuantumDelta`	`might ket you off then`
`21:55.05`	`QuantumDelta`	`should have np grinding/doing dailys now :<`
`21:55.12`	`jy`	`yes`
`21:55.22`	`jy`	`actually i rerolled`
`21:55.33`	`QuantumDelta`	`to your druid?`
`21:55.46`	`jy`	`i plan to reroll all class`
`21:56.03`	`QuantumDelta`	`serial rerollers`
`21:56.07`	`QuantumDelta`	`ahh the class leaders nightmare`
`21:58.30`	`QuantumDelta`	`I seriously have to get some spare cash to get some more 20slotters`
`21:58.31`	`QuantumDelta`	`:\`
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`22:11.42`	`Chompers`	`hey ckk :D`
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`22:13.58`	`QuantumDelta`	`question is, is he awake? ;p`
`22:16.34`	`aestil`	`my wife plays a priest, raid ui is all set up, and we can't mess with it. she has a 70 hunter alt.`
`22:16.44`	`aestil`	`im building her a DPS orriented UI.`
`22:16.58`	`aestil`	`but basically, the only way to make it easy to work, is to build the UI on her computer then, right?`
`22:17.13`	`aestil`	`since all my SV's would overwrite her priest UI SV's that we pretty much can't change at all.`
`22:17.23`	`aestil`	`or is there some easy way to merge SV's that I don't know about?`
`22:18.02`	`Ellipsis`	`unless you want to do it by hand, not really`
`22:22.17`	`aestil`	`is it worth doing by hand?`
`22:22.23`	`aestil`	`i think, not probably.`
`22:22.24`	`brotherhobbes`	`aestil, if you are playing on her account on your computer`
`22:22.34`	`brotherhobbes`	`then it's easy to move the SVs`
`22:22.35`	`Matrix110\|`	`easiest is by transfering the hunter to another account:P`
`22:23.04`	`durcyn`	`just set per-character savedvariables where possible`
`22:23.08`	`aestil`	`oh, wait, I could copy her SV's to my computer, and then set up the profiles to properly work with her hunter, and with her priest.`
`22:23.12`	`aestil`	`sweet. good plan.`
`22:23.22`	`brotherhobbes`	`if you have access to her account, yes`
`22:23.26`	`aestil`	`gonna watch archimonde video real quick.`
`22:23.27`	`aestil`	`yes ;)`
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`22:26.19`	`Polarina`	`How do I create so-called "Sub-addon" (Library) for my addon? Like you people do with Ace2..`
`22:27.07`	`ckknight`	`wait, a module or a library?`
`22:27.19`	`Polarina`	`ckknight: What's the difference?`
`22:27.29`	`ckknight`	`libraries are typically independent`
`22:27.37`	`ckknight`	`modules are like additions to a specific addon`
`22:27.42`	`Polarina`	`Libraries.`
`22:27.53`	`ckknight`	`what do you plan on doing, can I ask?`
`22:28.00`	`Polarina`	`Just learning. :)`
`22:28.06`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`22:28.24`	`ckknight`	`well, libraries don't do much on their own, and they don't typically do things without addons asking them to do so`
`22:28.50`	`ckknight`	`unless they do something in the background that is typically invisible to the user (such as communicate with others, e.g. ThreatLib)`
`22:29.18`	`ckknight`	`wtf, my Paladin is 57 already?`
`22:29.23`	`ckknight`	`my sister-in-law needs a job.`
`22:29.53`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`22:30.17`	`Polarina`	`ckknight: So, how do I make libraries and addons work together? Loading and such..`
`22:30.38`	`ckknight`	`my recommendation is to find a good library and copy it and change the code inside`
`22:30.43`	`ckknight`	`e.g. use the original as a template`
`22:30.48`	`hyperChipmunk`	`like alarlib`
`22:31.00`	`Polarina`	`ckknight: That's not my point..`
`22:31.38`	`ckknight`	`addons call the library's methods`
`22:31.59`	`Polarina`	`ckknight: That's not my point, again..`
`22:32.11`	`brotherhobbes`	`she wants more basic, ckk`
`22:32.53`	`ckknight`	`I can't continue without creating a possible drama scene, so I'll leave it up to someone else`
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`22:33.06`	`brotherhobbes`	`do you know how to set up the file structure, pol? is that what you are asking about?`
`22:33.37`	`brotherhobbes`	`i think you should create a drama scene :)`
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`22:35.30`	`ckknight`	`too much drama made me leave for so long`
`22:35.36`	`QuantumDelta`	`heh`
`22:36.04`	`QuantumDelta`	`Oh ckknight, I wanted to catch you a while back`
`22:36.08`	`brotherhobbes`	`i was enjoying listening to what you were saying, although i'm guessing it was more technical than what she was looking for`
`22:36.44`	`QuantumDelta`	`Are you still working on pitbull dude?`
`22:37.13`	`ckknight`	`I don't want to say no in the event that people take it the wrong way`
`22:37.21`	`ckknight`	`so I'll just not say anything`
`22:37.28`	`QuantumDelta`	`lol :P`
`22:37.43`	`QuantumDelta`	`I'm trying to lock down an FPS loss with it in raids`
`22:38.22`	`QuantumDelta`	`My UI is quite addon heavy already, so I know it's not just pitbull effecting it, but upon turning it off my FPS on Teron went from 3 to 35 :\`
`22:38.23`	`ckknight`	`have you tried AltAura instead of regular Aura?`
`22:38.37`	`QuantumDelta`	`Aye, Altaura helped a little`
`22:39.01`	`QuantumDelta`	`For now I've stopped using Pitbull but I really don't wanna give it up`
`22:39.17`	`QuantumDelta`	`It's by far the best unitframes addon out atm`
`22:40.02`	`QuantumDelta`	`Unfortunately it's kinda hard for me to test all the modules`
`22:40.43`	`QuantumDelta`	`Altaura was an obvious thing since I did a bit of forum digging, but beyond that, or testing every module in the 25mans, it's hard to lock it down`
`22:41.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`what does altaura do?`
`22:41.40`	`QuantumDelta`	`more efficient coding afaik`
`22:41.54`	`QuantumDelta`	`it's almost identical to aura from what you can tell on the user end`
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`22:43.20`	`brotherhobbes`	`is altaura a library? i don't see it on wowace`
`22:44.28`	`QuantumDelta`	`"PitBull_AltAura"`
`22:44.35`	`QuantumDelta`	`is what it's under`
`22:45.02`	`brotherhobbes`	`thanks`
`22:46.25`	`Chompers`	`so ckknight`
`22:46.37`	`Chompers`	`you're gonna get to 58 yourself right?`
`22:46.50`	`Chompers`	`head to outlands and all that stuff, it's pretty awesome`
`22:47.02`	`QuantumDelta`	`I forget how much attention ckk always got ;p`
`22:47.55`	`ckknight`	`Chompers: no, my sister-in-law is playing my pally to 58`
`22:48.00`	`ckknight`	`then I'll play Outlands myself`
`22:48.04`	`Chompers`	`fantastic`
`22:48.16`	`ckknight`	`QuantumDelta: I like it sometimes, it pisses me off most times`
`22:48.16`	`Chompers`	`you have to do the whole walking through the portal stuff yourself`
`22:48.25`	`ckknight`	`yea, never done that`
`22:48.36`	`QuantumDelta`	`I can relate, trust me`
`22:48.51`	`ckknight`	`and I'm fucking pissed at Apple now`
`22:48.59`	`QuantumDelta`	`why's that?`
`22:49.05`	`ckknight`	`I took my computer in on October 23`
`22:49.14`	`ckknight`	`was promised it to be fixed in 3 days to two weeks`
`22:49.25`	`Chompers`	`...2 years later`
`22:49.26`	`QuantumDelta`	`..`
`22:49.39`	`ckknight`	`so I phoned up at the two week mark and asked the progress, they said a special part needed to be shipped in`
`22:49.39`	`QuantumDelta`	`I assume they're now doing it for free?`
`22:49.41`	`ckknight`	`which I can understand`
`22:49.51`	`ckknight`	`it was always under warranty, QuantumDelta`
`22:50.00`	`ckknight`	`so they said the part would come in today, December 7`
`22:50.02`	`ckknight`	`so I phoned up`
`22:50.05`	`ckknight`	`and it's been fucking delayed`
`22:50.12`	`QuantumDelta`	`hmm`
`22:50.20`	`Polarina`	`ckknight: I know what a library is. But how do I make my addon use it? What should I put in the .toc file, etc...`
`22:50.31`	`ckknight`	`I said I wasn't going to continue the conversation, Polarina`
`22:50.37`	`Polarina`	`ckknight: Why?`
`22:50.46`	`ckknight`	`because if I do, drama will come of it`
`22:50.49`	`Chompers`	`i hear those macs need a special kinda mouse to run in the cpu-wheel`
`22:50.51`	`ckknight`	`it's inevitable in here`
`22:51.00`	`ckknight`	`Chompers: it's a laptop`
`22:51.05`	`Chompers`	`micro-mouse`
`22:51.11`	`Polarina`	`ckknight: I checked how Omen does it, but I can't figure out why it uses OptionalDeps, etc.`
`22:51.17`	`ckknight`	`mighty mouse?`
`22:51.25`	`Chompers`	`it's his little brother`
`22:51.31`	`Chompers`	`the lesser known mouse`
`22:51.45`	`Chompers`	`totally leeches off his bros fame`
`22:51.54`	`ckknight`	`so now I'm waiting for the Mac Genius "supervisor" to get back from lunch`
`22:51.54`	`Ellipsis`	`Polarina: optdeps are set so that the libs will load properly if disembedded`
`22:52.13`	`Polarina`	`Ellipsis: Disembedded?`
`22:52.15`	`Tinyboom`	`ckknight: whenever you have time or can bother could you look at this pitbull bug.... http://jira.wowace.com/browse/PB-156`
`22:52.19`	`ckknight`	`no, Tinyboom`
`22:52.30`	`ckknight`	`I'm sorry, but no`
`22:52.32`	`ckknight`	`not now`
`22:52.43`	`Polarina`	`Ellipsis: And how does that make it load "properly"? Is it loaded twice?`
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`22:53.10`	`Ellipsis`	`no Polarina, disembedded libs are load on demand - they will never load at all unless an addon forces them to`
`22:53.26`	`Polarina`	`Ellipsis: Ok.`
`22:53.35`	`Polarina`	`Ellipsis: And what about the files within Libs/`
`22:53.39`	`bagel`	`can we ask questions in here?`
`22:53.53`	`bagel`	`(i guess that's a question, but i'm marking it off as a meta-question so it doesn't count :P )`
`22:54.09`	`Polarina`	`bagel: No, it's strictly forbidden by laws. sarcasm`
`22:54.32`	`Ellipsis`	`Polarina: those are embedded libs`
`22:54.32`	`ckknight`	`~asktoask`
`22:54.33`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`22:55.15`	`brotherhobbes`	`Polarina: why don't you look at the simplier libaries, the ones with name like this: "Name-2.0" or "Name-1.1", etc`
`22:55.23`	`bagel`	`i'm trying to figure out why -> id, name = GetChannelName("General - "..zonename); would not return a valid id.`
`22:55.27`	`Polarina`	`brotherhobbes: ?`
`22:55.32`	`ckknight`	`bagel: it's just "General"`
`22:55.59`	`bagel`	`well, teach me to be fancy.`
`22:56.01`	`bagel`	`thanks :)`
`22:56.07`	`brotherhobbes`	`Pol: Omen is not a library, Threat-1.0 is a library`
`22:56.51`	`Polarina`	`brotherhobbes: I want to know how a addon loads those libraries..`
`22:57.21`	`Zhinjio`	`Good afternoon, folks.`
`22:57.30`	`brotherhobbes`	`in your addons .toc file, you list the library`
`22:57.41`	`Zhinjio`	`ckknight!`
`22:57.48`	`Hjalte`	`Polarina: Have you been to the wowace wiki? Have you tried looking at an addon, to find out how it loads its libraries? Do that first.`
`22:58.00`	`Zhinjio`	`you better be careful, dude. Folks will start to think you're back in circulation. grin`
`22:58.08`	`bagel`	`ckknight: id, name = GetChannelName("General"); returns an id of 0 :(`
`22:58.15`	`bagel`	`ckknight: but i know that i am in a channel.`
`22:58.26`	`ckknight`	`k, I dunno, then`
`22:58.29`	`Polarina`	`Hjalte: Yes and yes. I just can't figure it out how that actually works..`
`22:59.05`	`bagel`	`i wish they used a real language like perl`
`22:59.06`	`bagel`	`:(`
`22:59.20`	`_rane`	`is it possible to set raid symbols through macros?`
`22:59.39`	`ckknight`	`bagel: there are multiple things wrong with that statement`
`22:59.41`	`ckknight`	`let's iterate`
`22:59.46`	`ckknight`	`1) lua is a real language`
`22:59.52`	`ckknight`	`2) perl can suck my balls`
`22:59.58`	`ckknight`	`that's all.`
`23:00.00`	`Ellipsis`	`it can?`
`23:00.03`	`Ellipsis`	`even more reason to use it`
`23:00.07`	`ckknight`	`if I believe it can.`
`23:00.15`	`ckknight`	`you don't have balls, Ellipsis`
`23:00.16`	`ckknight`	`remember?`
`23:00.23`	`ckknight`	`the surgery?`
`23:00.30`	`Ellipsis`	`oh..right`
`23:00.34`	`Ellipsis`	`I do kinda miss them though`
`23:00.36`	`bagel`	`lua is a markup language that people only seem to use for stuff like this.`
`23:00.39`	`bagel`	`i'd prefer javascript to lua`
`23:00.41`	`brotherhobbes`	`rane: SetRaidTarget("unit", index)`
`23:00.42`	`Ellipsis`	`...`
`23:00.46`	`Ellipsis`	`a markup language?`
`23:00.51`	`bagel`	`not markup.`
`23:00.55`	`bagel`	`scripting.`
`23:01.01`	`bagel`	`the only instances i have seen it used is for game-scripting.`
`23:01.02`	`ckknight`	`bagel: lua has its own issues, but it doesn't mean it's not "real"`
`23:02.10`	`_rane`	`brotherhobbes: thank you`
`23:03.04`	`Ellipsis`	`I also don't see how it's lua's fault that you're having trouble with an API function`
`23:04.29`	`ckknight`	`yea, that's a WoW issue, not a lua issue`
`23:04.34`	`ckknight`	`it could happen with any language`
`23:04.56`	`brotherhobbes`	`bagel, yer using that function wrong`
`23:04.56`	`Zhinjio`	`Huh? What??!?! Wow has issues? OMGWTFBBQ. Say it isn't so.`
`23:05.14`	`brotherhobbes`	`no wait, yer not, i'm sorry`
`23:05.18`	`Chompers`	`one major problem is warlock dps`
`23:05.22`	`brotherhobbes`	`you can pass either the id or the name`
`23:05.22`	`Chompers`	`it's just too low`
`23:06.25`	`dylanm`	`lol`
`23:07.17`	`Hjalte`	`How long is the Darkmoon Faire up?`
`23:07.43`	`NivFreak`	`a week`
`23:07.45`	`brotherhobbes`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/events/calendar/`
`23:07.53`	`brotherhobbes`	`shows the times for the faire`
`23:08.29`	`Hjalte`	`Thanks`
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`23:10.45`	`Polarina`	`Why the hell do so many Hunters want something instead of Readiness? WHY?`
`23:11.09`	`aestil`	`is there any word on wws status? or if there is something brewing for a new wws post 2.4?`
`23:11.53`	`NivFreak`	`yes`
`23:11.55`	`NivFreak`	`and yes`
`23:12.07`	`NivFreak`	`lossendi showed his face at least`
`23:12.16`	`NivFreak`	`and it got ZA updates`
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`23:20.51`	`Polarina`	`Why do Hunters find Distraction Shot and Beast Lore useless?`
`23:21.11`	`Silowyi`	`so anyone have any idea why right click/left click zoom in/zoom out isn't working for my map?`
`23:21.46`	`Silowyi`	`Polarina: Maybe they've never had to kite the striders on Vashj`
`23:21.56`	`Silowyi`	`Polarina: Or tamed anything >.>`
`23:22.25`	`Polarina`	`I don't use them for kiting, but Distraction Shot is very usefull for raids!`
`23:23.57`	`Polarina`	`Trust me.`
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`23:25.33`	`aestil`	`NivFreak: can't find lossendi's post saying he was back. can you link?`
`23:25.56`	`Silowyi`	`"Distracting" shot`
`23:26.04`	`Silowyi`	`unless you're translating from another language`
`23:26.34`	`Polarina`	`Distracting, sorry.`
`23:26.42`	`NivFreak`	`aestil: http://wowwebstats.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1599`
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`23:28.08`	`NivFreak`	`I hate blizzard's use of torrents to distribute files`
`23:28.25`	`NivFreak`	`here I sit at 1.69G of 2.05G and waiting for 6 hours`
`23:29.15`	`Silowyi`	`one sec freak`
`23:31.05`	`Silowyi`	`here you go Niv`
`23:31.06`	`Silowyi`	`http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21079`
`23:31.56`	`bigzero`	`/bigzero/`
`23:32.04`	`bigzero`	`oops`
`23:32.39`	`NivFreak`	`thanks, but I'm actually grabbing the TBC client`
`23:33.03`	`bigzero`	`ckknight: ping`
`23:33.04`	`Silowyi`	`oh`
`23:33.18`	`Silowyi`	`NivFreak might be able tof ind that in there somewhere too`
`23:33.24`	`NivFreak`	`yea, I'm looking atm`
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`23:39.32`	`NivFreak`	`ok`
`23:39.33`	`NivFreak`	`found a link`
`23:39.52`	`NivFreak`	`a bit slow, but faster than the torrent`
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`23:52.29`	`Antiarc`	`This is frustrating`
`23:52.36`	`Antiarc`	`I appear to keep getting desynched from IRC or something`
`23:52.44`	`Antiarc`	`Someone say something so I know I can actually hear you guys >_>`
`23:53.26`	`dashkal`	`mwrarf`
`23:53.29`	`Antiarc`	`yay`
`23:53.33`	`Antiarc`	`I am no longer deaf`
`23:53.38`	`dashkal`	`Congratulations`
`23:53.50`	`dashkal`	`Deaf sucks :p`
`23:54.02`	`Silowyi`	`hey Antiarc, who does Cartographer?`
`23:54.23`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight`
`23:54.32`	`Silowyi`	`oh`
`23:54.32`	`Silowyi`	`hmm`
`23:54.35`	`Silowyi`	`does he still live?`
`23:54.55`	`NivFreak`	`I hate slow friday afternoons`
`23:54.56`	`Silowyi`	`but I haven't seen any updates to ck stuff in a bit`
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`23:56.24`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.pitbullarmory.com/Squirrel-armor.html`
`23:57.59`	`Kalroth`	`what the fuck`

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