| 00:00.02 | Xinhuan | its organized spam if you want to look at it that way |
| 00:00.10 | Matrix110 | same as when they start spamming [Warden Staff] |
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| 00:00.14 | Matrix110 | and they all get a retard mark |
| 00:00.15 | Fiskersmas | it's not against the rules to have organized spam |
| 00:00.22 | Xinhuan | i could organize 100 people to log on your server, and each one spam exactly 1 line in /2 |
| 00:00.22 | Fiskersmas | nor is spamming [Warden Staff] |
| 00:00.32 | Matrix110 | idc they are atleast marked [Retard] |
| 00:00.33 | Xinhuan | blizzard will issue all involved with a 3 hour warning |
| 00:00.40 | Xinhuan | on first offense, and 3 day ban on 2nd warning |
| 00:00.45 | Fiskersmas | nah |
| 00:00.46 | Xinhuan | i've been a victim of one |
| 00:00.52 | Fiskersmas | i haven't |
| 00:01.01 | Xinhuan | meaning, i've participated in argent dawn gnome invasions ;d |
| 00:01.06 | Fiskersmas | even though i've been reported by numerous people |
| 00:01.20 | Xinhuan | you got lucky, its bannable |
| 00:01.21 | Fiskersmas | Spam is when you do something repeatedly within a 30 second time-span |
| 00:01.33 | Fiskersmas | you don't "get lucky" |
| 00:01.42 | Xinhuan | my entire server has been banned before, 500+ ppl doing it |
| 00:01.43 | Fiskersmas | if someone reports you, and it's actionable, you will get banned |
| 00:01.46 | Fiskersmas | but it's not |
| 00:01.56 | Xinhuan | it is actionable when is causes disruption to other people |
| 00:01.59 | Xinhuan | it* |
| 00:01.59 | Fiskersmas | 500 people spamming might cause problems for the server |
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| 00:02.14 | Fiskersmas | but that's unrelated to posting the same thing in the chat |
| 00:02.22 | Xinhuan | your petition needs to be clear in its meaning |
| 00:02.48 | Fiskersmas | i wouldn't report myself :o |
| 00:02.50 | Xinhuan | if you petitioned for someone spamming, it probably isn't actionable, but if you petitioned for 100 ppl each saying 1 line every 10 seconds, then its probably actionable |
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| 00:05.57 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, it is ? :o |
| 00:06.01 | Xinhuan | indeed |
| 00:06.07 | Xinhuan | i've got 3 hour bans before |
| 00:06.19 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 00:06.20 | cncfanatics | nice |
| 00:06.24 | cncfanatics | I never got a ban before |
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| 00:08.17 | Arcaia | arkinventory is generally awesome... but atm im getting error-ors |
| 00:08.24 | Arcaia | bahz |
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| 00:08.59 | Fisker- | rawr |
| 00:09.01 | Fisker- | you made yourself a powerful enemy today Xinhuan |
| 00:09.22 | Fisker- | ow |
| 00:09.47 | Chompers | sharp |
| 00:09.52 | Polarina | I got a taint. |
| 00:10.38 | Stanzilla | I got 2 :O |
| 00:11.20 | Xinhuan | i've got 3 on my marble floor |
| 00:12.08 | Polarina | I mean a UI taint in-game. |
| 00:12.35 | Polarina | In combat. |
| 00:12.36 | Xinhuan | (well duh!) |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-8 | 03slake333 * r57524 10Scrub/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-8 | Scrub: 1.1.1 |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-8 | - PRIEST: Added yellow check for deep discipline builds |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-8 | - PRIEST: Check for Mental Agility changed to red severity |
| 00:13.35 | CIA-8 | - PRIEST: Added red check for Healing Focus |
| 00:13.36 | CIA-8 | - PRIEST: Removed check for Inspiration without Holy Specialization |
| 00:13.38 | CIA-8 | - PRIEST: Added yellow check for inspiration |
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| 00:14.27 | Xinhuan | i wouldn't care too much about taints until 2.3.2 |
| 00:14.36 | Xinhuan | as the default UI itself is vulnerable |
| 00:14.53 | Polarina | Huh? |
| 00:14.58 | Polarina | What do you mean? |
| 00:15.00 | Xinhuan | it isn't written very well |
| 00:15.11 | Xinhuan | so tainting it is gauranteed in some cases |
| 00:15.13 | Industrial | and it will be in 2.3.2 :P? |
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| 00:15.33 | Industrial | whats Scrub |
| 00:15.48 | Xinhuan | it will be better, UIParentManagePositions or something will be better protected |
| 00:16.09 | Xinhuan | scrub is an addon developed on EJ forums that scans your raid group for non-pve specs and complains about those ppl |
| 00:16.48 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.119 An action was blocked in combat because of taint from Cartographer - PetActionBarFrame:SetPoint() |
| 00:16.48 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.119 Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2378 UIParent_ManageFramePositions() |
| 00:16.48 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.119 PetActionBarFrame:OnShow() |
| 00:16.48 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.119 PetActionBarFrame:Show() |
| 00:16.48 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.119 Interface\FrameXML\PetActionBarFrame.lua:163 ShowPetActionBar() |
| 00:16.48 | Jagobah | scrub! |
| 00:16.49 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.119 Interface\FrameXML\PetActionBarFrame.lua:38 PetActionBar_OnEvent() |
| 00:16.51 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.119 PetActionBarFrame:OnEvent() |
| 00:17.37 | Xinhuan | that taintlog is useless without taintLog 2 option |
| 00:17.48 | Polarina | I have taintLog 2 enabled. |
| 00:17.57 | Xinhuan | scroll up slightly then |
| 00:18.11 | Xinhuan | look for the "execution tainted by ..." line |
| 00:18.11 | Polarina | Just didn't bother pasting here 165,2 MiB of text. |
| 00:18.45 | Industrial | pastey.net |
| 00:18.48 | Xinhuan | that occured just before - and don't report the "execution tainted by" line that is caused by a chathook due to blizzard's poor coding |
| 00:18.58 | Audrina | Any way to just enable buffs and not debuffs with AG_UF |
| 00:19.13 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.118 Execution tainted by Cartographer while reading PETACTIONBAR_YPOS - Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2378 UIParent_ManageFramePositions() |
| 00:19.13 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.118 PetActionBarFrame:OnShow() |
| 00:19.13 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.118 PetActionBarFrame:Show() |
| 00:19.13 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.118 Interface\FrameXML\PetActionBarFrame.lua:163 ShowPetActionBar() |
| 00:19.13 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.118 Interface\FrameXML\PetActionBarFrame.lua:38 PetActionBar_OnEvent() |
| 00:19.15 | Polarina | 12/27 00:01:45.118 PetActionBarFrame:OnEvent() |
| 00:19.32 | Industrial | Polarina: pastey.net |
| 00:19.37 | Xinhuan | ok go find out why PETACTIONBAR_YPOS got tainted |
| 00:19.47 | Polarina | I have no idea. |
| 00:19.51 | Xinhuan | scroll up the file |
| 00:19.54 | Xinhuan | you have 135 mb |
| 00:19.56 | Xinhuan | find it |
| 00:20.03 | Polarina | o.O |
| 00:20.08 | Xinhuan | "global PETACTIONBAR_YPOS tainted by ..." |
| 00:20.14 | Polarina | Don't you want that taint log? |
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| 00:20.20 | Xinhuan | no |
| 00:20.29 | Xinhuan | because out of the entire 135 mb at most 10k of it is useful |
| 00:20.47 | Zhinjio | testing. |
| 00:21.01 | Polarina | Tell me what lines you want and I'll send them to you. |
| 00:21.12 | Xinhuan | i just told you to look for a line that looks like |
| 00:21.14 | Industrial | Polarina: pastey.net |
| 00:21.14 | Xinhuan | "global PETACTIONBAR_YPOS tainted by ..." |
| 00:21.42 | Polarina | 12/26 23:38:24.481 Global variable PETACTIONBAR_YPOS tainted by Cartographer - setglobal() |
| 00:21.42 | Polarina | 12/26 23:38:24.481 Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2281 |
| 00:21.42 | Polarina | 12/26 23:38:24.481 securecall() |
| 00:21.42 | Polarina | 12/26 23:38:24.481 Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2342 UIParent_ManageFramePositions() |
| 00:21.42 | Polarina | 12/26 23:38:24.481 Interface\FrameXML\WorldStateFrame.lua:134 WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame_Update() |
| 00:21.43 | Polarina | 12/26 23:38:24.481 Interface\FrameXML\UIOptionsFrame.lua:442 UIOptionsFrame_Save() |
| 00:21.45 | Polarina | 12/26 23:38:24.481 UIOptionsFrameOkay:OnClick() |
| 00:21.45 | Industrial | POLARINE |
| 00:21.48 | Polarina | Yes? |
| 00:21.49 | Industrial | STOP PASTING THAT SHIT |
| 00:21.53 | Industrial | pastey.net |
| 00:21.54 | Industrial | 4th time |
| 00:21.55 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 00:21.59 | Polarina | :'( |
| 00:22.01 | Industrial | :| |
| 00:22.13 | Xinhuan | WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame_Update() |
| 00:22.18 | Xinhuan | the problem is in htere |
| 00:22.28 | Industrial | you xcan paste the whole file there :P |
| 00:22.31 | Xinhuan | that function doesn't have a securecall() to UIParent_ManageFramePositions() |
| 00:22.32 | Polarina | Shall I search the taint log for that? |
| 00:22.38 | Xinhuan | it is a blizzard coding error |
| 00:22.54 | Xinhuan | there is nothing you can do |
| 00:23.07 | Xinhuan | this error most probably occured while you are inside AV, or in Mount Hyjal |
| 00:23.12 | Polarina | Xinhuan: You know that you can execute your very own code in secure mode. |
| 00:23.19 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Nagrand. |
| 00:23.25 | Xinhuan | yes nagrand works too |
| 00:23.31 | Xinhuan | because it can occur in any zone with pvp objectives |
| 00:23.39 | Audrina | Any way to just enable buffs and not debuffs with AG_UF? |
| 00:25.07 | Xinhuan | the problem is that when WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame_Update() is called, it is due to an event to update the world state, it almost always goes through insecure code |
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| 00:25.15 | Xinhuan | prior to that |
| 00:25.24 | Xinhuan | because of the FCF_blah call |
| 00:25.30 | Xinhuan | or something |
| 00:25.32 | Xinhuan | i can't remember |
| 00:25.51 | Xinhuan | anyway, its blizzards thing to fix |
| 00:26.41 | Polarina | Or you can modify that function by changing the SavedVariable files for the Blizzard UI. Then you won't taint it. :) |
| 00:27.09 | Xinhuan | there is no variable there that you can modify that will not taint it |
| 00:27.26 | Xinhuan | any executable function in the savedvariable files will not execute |
| 00:27.34 | Xinhuan | blizzard already thought of that one |
| 00:27.35 | Polarina | Oh.. |
| 00:28.55 | Polarina | Good night. |
| 00:29.08 | Xinhuan | :) cya |
| 00:29.47 | Xinhuan | [abc] whispers: will you run me thru VC for 6g |
| 00:29.49 | Polarina | Xinhuan: And by the way, Cartographer is about 9.752.186.185.110.800.486.810.505.450 times better than Gatherer. |
| 00:30.27 | Xinhuan | i don't think anyone has ever tried to explore all the different modules that have been written for cart |
| 00:30.53 | Polarina | I like all of them. :D |
| 00:30.56 | Xinhuan | while i could add support for Cartographer_Mailboxes |
| 00:31.13 | Xinhuan | (which is just a module to track/remember mailboxes, just like _mining does for Veins) |
| 00:31.17 | Xinhuan | in _Routes |
| 00:31.21 | Xinhuan | it would be completely pointless |
| 00:31.25 | Polarina | xD |
| 00:31.43 | Xinhuan | don't even know why people would need to track mailboxes in the first place! |
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| 00:48.50 | Killmore | my cowtip is broken since last update or dont know |
| 00:49.02 | Xinhuan | whats broken |
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| 00:51.54 | CIA-8 | 03steste78 * r57525 10FuBar_IceHudFu/IceHudFu.lua: FuBar_IceHudFu:new |
| 00:53.10 | CIA-8 | 03steste78 * r57526 10FuBar_IceHudFu/FuBar_IceHudFu.toc: FuBar_IceHudFu:new |
| 00:55.49 | Xuerian | Aloft castbars borked again for anyone else? |
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| 00:59.40 | Osstia|mac | Can a map icon be setup completely in lua? and if so, does anyone know of an example? |
| 01:00.58 | Xuerian | Anything in xml can be done in lua aside from initial addon startup without a framework |
| 01:01.22 | Osstia|mac | ok |
| 01:01.49 | [SW]Dodge | is there an ace addon like gatherer? |
| 01:02.01 | Xuerian | which I guess can be done anyway, sans events like variables_loaded |
| 01:02.10 | Osstia|mac | what portion of gatherer do you want to mimic? |
| 01:02.15 | [SW]Dodge | herb |
| 01:02.28 | Xuerian | Cartographer_Herbalism+Cartographer_Data |
| 01:02.35 | Osstia|mac | cartographer will put nodes on your map for you, if thats what you want |
| 01:02.46 | Xinhuan | + cartographer + cartographer_notes (included with cartographer) |
| 01:02.52 | [SW]Dodge | i'll try it thanjes :) |
| 01:02.56 | [SW]Dodge | thanks* |
| 01:02.58 | Xinhuan | + cartographer_routes ;p |
| 01:03.05 | Xuerian | :P |
| 01:03.23 | Osstia|mac | haha |
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| 01:07.12 | KivinSan | Ever since I updated Pitbull this afternoon, it's been exploding into about 25-30 folders in my interface/addons/, what is up with that? |
| 01:07.36 | Xinhuan | if you used WAU to install it, with the "unpack packages" option on |
| 01:07.39 | Xinhuan | it will do that |
| 01:07.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ~62/4 |
| 01:07.44 | purl | 15.5 |
| 01:07.45 | KivinSan | erm... |
| 01:08.03 | KivinSan | oh, sure enough. wonder how i managed that. |
| 01:08.04 | KivinSan | tyty |
| 01:08.06 | Xinhuan | this means each pitbull submodule can be enabled/disabled as an individual addon |
| 01:08.23 | Xinhuan | so if you don't use 10 out of the 20 modules it has |
| 01:08.26 | Osstia|mac | KivinSan: rough WAU day? |
| 01:08.27 | Xinhuan | you don't even need to load those |
| 01:08.32 | Xinhuan | just turn them off in the logins creen |
| 01:08.33 | KivinSan | Osstia: you have no idea |
| 01:08.34 | Xinhuan | screen* |
| 01:08.44 | Xinhuan | and your loading speed/memoryusage will be better |
| 01:08.44 | Osstia|mac | haha |
| 01:08.53 | Osstia|mac | I saw some of your woes at work this morning |
| 01:09.11 | KivinSan | Trying to get all my externals running standalone, but since I managed to click that unpack thing, I have like 1000 folders in interface/addons |
| 01:09.20 | Osstia|mac | oh lord |
| 01:09.33 | KivinSan | I'm seroiusly considering just doing a clean wipe, hanging onto my savedvars, and re-downloading from scratch |
| 01:09.52 | Osstia|mac | thats what I would do |
| 01:09.52 | CIA-8 | 03gnarfoz * r57527 10Cartographer_Routes/Locale-deDE.lua: Cartographer_Routes: update deDE |
| 01:09.55 | Xinhuan | WAU also has a "cleanup saved variables"option |
| 01:10.04 | KivinSan | >< I don't want to do that |
| 01:10.09 | Xinhuan | which deletes all the SVs of addons you deleted |
| 01:10.15 | KivinSan | I'll cry if I have to set up pitbull/trinitybars again |
| 01:10.33 | Osstia|mac | pitbull was a sonofabitch |
| 01:10.40 | KivinSan | Is there a way to see dependencies in WAU? |
| 01:10.47 | Xinhuan | i avoid addons that take 5 hours to setup |
| 01:11.09 | Xinhuan | if an addon required that much time, then the user interface isn't good enough |
| 01:11.17 | Osstia|mac | I ditched it and went back to xperl for the time being, but agunitframes and pitbull seemed nicer |
| 01:11.37 | Osstia|mac | xperl came out of the box with 90% of what i wanted |
| 01:11.50 | Osstia|mac | I just wish it was less buggy |
| 01:12.02 | Xinhuan | xperl isn't all that buggy |
| 01:12.06 | KivinSan | pitbull has one issue that drives me absolutely batty |
| 01:12.08 | Osstia|mac | one day i need to st down with AG and figure out the last few quirks |
| 01:12.10 | Xinhuan | i see an equal amount of pitbull and xperl complaints |
| 01:12.12 | Xinhuan | on forums |
| 01:12.27 | Osstia|mac | i like it just fine, it just randomly does funny things to me |
| 01:13.30 | Osstia|mac | i was at one point going for an al ace setup |
| 01:13.43 | Osstia|mac | but there were a few little things i missed |
| 01:14.58 | Xinhuan | don't do that |
| 01:15.13 | Xinhuan | i've seen heaps of poorly written ace addons that do worse than non-ace |
| 01:15.17 | Xinhuan | simply because it was "aced" |
| 01:15.40 | Gnarfoz | use what performs the function you want most effectively < |
| 01:15.41 | Osstia|mac | I liked the idea of being able to use WAU to keep everything current |
| 01:16.03 | Gnarfoz | also, http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/24/cool-stuff-batcave-home-theater/ <-- batcave Home Theater o_O |
| 01:16.05 | Xinhuan | there's some updaters out there that can update a number of sites at a go |
| 01:17.02 | Osstia|mac | does anyone know of an example of setting up a minimap icon in lua. |
| 01:17.23 | Xinhuan | minimap icon? |
| 01:17.51 | Osstia|mac | I want an icon attached to the mimimap to show/hide a frame for a little addon I am playing with |
| 01:17.59 | KivinSan | Fubar? |
| 01:18.02 | Xinhuan | you can copy the one in BankItems |
| 01:18.05 | Xinhuan | its non-ace |
| 01:18.21 | Osstia|mac | not up to fubar yet kivin |
| 01:18.34 | Osstia|mac | i'll peek at bankitems, thanks |
| 01:18.42 | KivinSan | GOD |
| 01:18.45 | KivinSan | I hate CowTip |
| 01:18.48 | Osstia|mac | hahaha |
| 01:18.53 | KivinSan | Now that i've got that off my chest... |
| 01:19.02 | Osstia|mac | I use an out of date version of tipBuddy still |
| 01:19.12 | KivinSan | Why in the world does it keep saying 'ERROR: Faied to find name of item on the hidden tooltip |
| 01:19.13 | Xinhuan | what's wrong heh |
| 01:19.37 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:10] <Xinhuan> which deletes all the SVs of addons you deleted <--does this also check for addons that are not on the repository but in your addons folder? |
| 01:19.55 | Xinhuan | it checks your addons folder |
| 01:20.07 | KivinSan | Skip the beer and give me a 40 ouncer of Jack Daniels |
| 01:20.09 | Pkekyo| | geif gold or get spanked! |
| 01:20.13 | Osstia|mac | haha |
| 01:20.15 | Xinhuan | and ignores the repository, for the purpose of SV cleanup |
| 01:20.26 | sag_ich_nicht | good. |
| 01:20.45 | KivinSan | well i have to assume cowtip is offically screwed, since i just downloaded it with externals and it doesn't work worth a damn |
| 01:21.00 | Xinhuan | "doesn't work a damn" means what? |
| 01:21.06 | Xinhuan | errors? |
| 01:21.15 | KivinSan | Means it keeps spamming my chat log with that error message and gives blank tooltips |
| 01:21.25 | Gnarfoz | worked just fine for me 6 hours ago ^^ |
| 01:21.34 | Xinhuan | "Failed to find name of item on the hidden tooltip" is the error? |
| 01:21.39 | KivinSan | yes |
| 01:22.21 | Pkekyo| | <--- dingaling, 100 days played! |
| 01:22.32 | Xinhuan | the word "failed" cannot be found in the entire Cowtip folder |
| 01:22.40 | Xinhuan | are you sure its cowtip? |
| 01:22.42 | Gnarfoz | "hidden tooltip" can't be found either |
| 01:22.56 | KivinSan | It only happens with cowtip running |
| 01:23.05 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 01:23.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Files Deleted: 143 Total Size: 11314,1 kB |
| 01:23.07 | Xinhuan | well some addon is causing that spam |
| 01:23.07 | Gnarfoz | that's not an indication that it's Cowtip's fault |
| 01:23.22 | Xinhuan | it could be some other addon reacting poorly |
| 01:23.40 | Xuerian | I have cowtip and it's not a problem. |
| 01:23.42 | Gnarfoz | some other tooltip hooking/modifying/whatever addon seems to have trouble then |
| 01:24.46 | KivinSan | Failed count in a Pawn readme file, a RatingBuster readme, and a Recap Bindings XML |
| 01:24.50 | KivinSan | That's not very helpful |
| 01:24.56 | Xinhuan | well |
| 01:25.00 | Xinhuan | "Failed to find name of item on the hidden tooltip" isn't very helpful either |
| 01:25.06 | Xinhuan | GameTooltip is not a hidden tooltip |
| 01:25.11 | KivinSan | Indeed |
| 01:25.13 | Xinhuan | and Cowtip only modifies that and ONLY that tooltip |
| 01:25.31 | Xinhuan | GameTooltip is part of the default UI's tooltip, and is far from hidden |
| 01:25.58 | KivinSan | I'm well aware of this |
| 01:26.18 | KivinSan | Yet CowTip is causing this, directly or otherwise. I shut it off and everything is happy |
| 01:26.36 | Gnarfoz | err... |
| 01:27.00 | *** part/#wowace Wogroipl (n=Wogroipl@c529c710a.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 01:27.22 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather find out which addon that message comes from before coming to that conclusion |
| 01:27.29 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 01:27.43 | KivinSan | well, unless windows search is seriously borked, the list is up a few messages |
| 01:27.59 | Osstia|mac | lol nice mount xinhuan |
| 01:28.04 | Xinhuan | windows search fails big time |
| 01:28.24 | Osstia|mac | yeah, i use grep becasue windows search sucks ass |
| 01:28.34 | Xinhuan | Osstia, whatever screenshot you are looking at, its probably a year old taken at lvl 60 |
| 01:28.58 | Osstia|mac | it is |
| 01:29.05 | Osstia|mac | its with the Bug Mount from AQ |
| 01:29.22 | Xinhuan | you can download from wowace too |
| 01:29.28 | Xinhuan | rather than incgamers |
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| 01:29.46 | Osstia|mac | just googled it |
| 01:29.55 | Osstia|mac | I was trying to be somewhat self sufficient |
| 01:31.20 | KivinSan | There's very few things more annoying than being told your folder is in use by an application and can't be deleted when there's nothing running |
| 01:31.33 | Xuerian | KivinSan: ProcessExplorer ftw |
| 01:31.39 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 01:31.57 | KivinSan | i'm looking at my processes... there aint squat |
| 01:32.21 | Xuerian | search for handles of your filename |
| 01:32.24 | Osstia|mac | agreed, and i don't know of a windows command that will tell you wahat has it |
| 01:32.27 | Xuerian | or folder |
| 01:32.50 | KivinSan | it's probably tsvn |
| 01:32.53 | Pkekyo| | gz to me on [Dory's Embrace], pewpew :) |
| 01:32.55 | Xuerian | in fact just use pxp's search and it'll list it all |
| 01:32.56 | Osstia|mac | lsof ftw |
| 01:33.02 | Gnarfoz | funny how MS finally took over Sysinternals ^^ |
| 01:33.16 | Xuerian | ms taking over anything annoys me |
| 01:33.17 | Gnarfoz | (I know, it's been a while now) |
| 01:33.19 | Xuerian | but it's probably for the best |
| 01:33.54 | Xuerian | until they start charging for anything that sysi made, at which point I will add another reason to the <kill ms execs> list |
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| 01:34.56 | Gnarfoz | I hope they don't, that's what the Winternals stuff was for |
| 01:35.02 | Gnarfoz | but... you know MS ^^ |
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| 01:38.33 | Kivin | 397 addon folders deleted >< |
| 01:38.39 | Kivin | The cleansing purge |
| 01:39.49 | Xinhuan | :o |
| 01:40.01 | Xinhuan | i have 297 folders in my addons folder and half of them are disabled |
| 01:40.12 | Kivin | 397 is on the low end for me |
| 01:40.14 | Xinhuan | they only exist for me to test compatibility of addon conflicts |
| 01:40.19 | Kivin | i've had well over 1k with externals |
| 01:40.42 | sag_ich_nicht | 481 atm, but many disabled |
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| 01:40.58 | Kivin | I'm going back to the externals route... It'll explode the size of my addon folder, but that's ok |
| 01:41.17 | Xuerian | 440 here, probably 1/3 disabled |
| 01:41.21 | Xinhuan | when you have that many addons, its best to use externals (disembedded) |
| 01:41.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine: for some reason the telltrack whisperframe breaks if you're whispered in the first ~10 seconds or so after login, and recreating it doesn't help either |
| 01:41.29 | Xuerian | (disembedded) |
| 01:41.57 | Guillotine | sag: o.O I'm just about always whispered then and it doesn't break |
| 01:42.02 | Guillotine | what do you mean it breaks? |
| 01:42.07 | Kivin | Should I have 'default mode WITH exterals' in the WAU, Xuerian? |
| 01:42.11 | Guillotine | and lets bring this to wowi-lounge since it isn't an ace addon :) |
| 01:42.16 | Xuerian | no |
| 01:42.18 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 01:42.54 | Xinhuan | if "default mode WITH exterals" is on, it means all the libraries will embedded |
| 01:42.57 | Xuerian | and you probably meant Xinhuan |
| 01:43.10 | Kivin | err two X's is too many |
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| 01:43.17 | Xinhuan | if you have 20 addons that use ace2, then that means when you login, you are going to parse and load 20 copies of ace2 |
| 01:43.25 | Kivin | right |
| 01:43.28 | Kivin | that's the way i had it set up |
| 01:43.29 | Xuerian | Kivin: xi/xu, one more letter to tabcomplete |
| 01:43.40 | Kivin | Xuerian: I was being sarcastic |
| 01:43.47 | Xinhuan | so, you should turn that option off, and turn on "autodownload dependencies" |
| 01:43.56 | Xuerian | Kivin: I wasn't :p |
| 01:44.05 | Kivin | Xinhuan: Yeah, |
| 01:44.34 | Xinhuan | then you will need to undelete the addons that you deleted that aren't on wowace ;p |
| 01:44.47 | Kivin | I'm re-downloading them |
| 01:44.55 | Kivin | I'm just making a bigger mess out of things by trying to work with what I've got |
| 01:45.20 | Osstia|mac | Hearth != Frostwolf Tinket = *&^&*^*&^ |
| 01:45.26 | Xuerian | Kivin: click proper settings -> reinstall all addons = win |
| 01:45.58 | Kivin | Xuerian: Indeed |
| 01:46.34 | Xuerian | I mean the wau action "Reinstall all Addons" |
| 01:46.46 | Kivin | Xuerian: indeed |
| 01:46.52 | Xuerian | indeedy then |
| 01:47.07 | Kivin | Like I said; I've just been making a bigger and bigger mess out of this |
| 01:47.17 | Kivin | It felt good destroying 400 folders, even if it wasn't the most constructive thing to do |
| 01:47.24 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 01:47.43 | Kivin | ack no cycircled. my eyes D: |
| 01:49.28 | Kivin | and no more cowtip (i insist, COWTIP) error messages :P |
| 01:49.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: you logged in and have CDT2 enabled atm? |
| 01:49.53 | Xuerian | kivin: have you searched the cowtip source for that error message |
| 01:49.56 | Xuerian | more to the point |
| 01:49.56 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 01:50.09 | Kivin | Xuerian: i have searched my entire addons folder for that error message |
| 01:50.11 | Kivin | It doesn't exist |
| 01:50.17 | Xuerian | odd. |
| 01:50.23 | Osstia|mac | i run such a small ui scale on my laptop cycircled is tiny for me |
| 01:50.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: open rockconfig for it, go to groupsettings, check Bar Height |
| 01:50.27 | sag_ich_nicht | just try to check it |
| 01:50.33 | Osstia|mac | i had to ditch it here |
| 01:50.36 | sag_ich_nicht | (also note that the text there overlays over each other) |
| 01:51.10 | Xinhuan | good, now i have an error to work on |
| 01:51.31 | sag_ich_nicht | there are more |
| 01:51.33 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme give you a pastey |
| 01:51.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: http://pastey.net/79625 |
| 01:52.39 | Xinhuan | give me a few minutes |
| 01:52.51 | sag_ich_nicht | you can produce more by just playing around with the options, it's quite easy to get more :P |
| 01:52.57 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah sure don't stress yourself :) |
| 01:53.33 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL what the hell |
| 01:53.38 | Kivin | d'oh, one thing I'll have to fish out of the recycle bin is my custom sharedmedia fonts |
| 01:53.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan go to group settings |
| 01:53.45 | sag_ich_nicht | and drag around the rock config menu |
| 01:54.05 | sag_ich_nicht | just try to drag it around, i lol'd |
| 01:54.06 | Xinhuan | its a cascaded error |
| 01:54.14 | Xinhuan | one broken function will cascade the rest |
| 01:54.31 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
| 01:55.55 | Xinhuan | i actually believe there is nothing wrong with that aceopttable, since it works perfectly in Waterfall |
| 01:56.01 | sag_ich_nicht | oO |
| 01:56.07 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 01:56.09 | Xinhuan | there are some functions in there that have the field wfhidden = |
| 01:56.11 | Xinhuan | if you notice |
| 01:56.13 | Xinhuan | that waterfall uses |
| 01:56.31 | Xinhuan | go right click on your CDT2 fubar plugin |
| 01:56.39 | Xinhuan | and choose GUI config |
| 01:57.02 | Xinhuan | you'll notice the config is perfectly fine in Waterfall |
| 01:57.09 | Xinhuan | but breaks in Rock |
| 01:57.22 | sag_ich_nicht | hmmm yeah i see |
| 01:57.23 | Xinhuan | but the config is not written for Rock in the first place |
| 01:57.38 | Xinhuan | i wouldn't really want to fix it for rock to break it for waterfall |
| 01:58.05 | sag_ich_nicht | well the solution would be to fix rock then, in which case |
| 01:58.08 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight_ |
| 01:58.12 | Xuerian | What's it using that breaks in rock? |
| 01:58.21 | Xuerian | most addons don't have a problem using both |
| 01:58.30 | Xinhuan | not sure, Waterfall is using the wfHidden function field |
| 01:58.40 | Xinhuan | the only way i'll know is to check what that field is for |
| 01:59.09 | Nargiddley | that should just be a boolean that overrides hidden |
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| 01:59.23 | Xinhuan | i'm seeing things like |
| 01:59.24 | Xinhuan | wfHidden = function() |
| 01:59.24 | Xinhuan | return (selectedgroup == "") or (CooldownTimers.db.profile.groups[selectedgroup] == nil) or (CooldownTimers.db.profile.groups[selectedgroup].collapse)end, |
| 01:59.33 | Xinhuan | i.e a function that returns true or false |
| 01:59.44 | Nargiddley | hm, k it'll just override hidden then |
| 02:00.45 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, Xinhuan |
| 02:00.49 | Xinhuan | The wfHidden field will hide the option only in a waterfall frame, but will still be visible in the command line and other GUI settings (such as a Dewdrop menu) |
| 02:00.51 | sag_ich_nicht | it's behaving weird in waterfall too |
| 02:01.09 | Xinhuan | Every hidden field can be replaced with guiHidden, cmdHidden, and wfHidden. |
| 02:01.41 | Xuerian | shouldn't gui and wf be the same? |
| 02:01.50 | Xinhuan | apparantly not? |
| 02:01.50 | Xuerian | Though gui was originally for dewdrop |
| 02:01.51 | Nargiddley | gui meant dropdown originally |
| 02:02.02 | Nargiddley | since for a long time it was console or dropdown |
| 02:02.11 | sag_ich_nicht | go to Default Bar Settings in WF and use the hide plugin checkbox, seems like it's setup a bit wrong there, but maybe not related to the general issue |
| 02:02.37 | nevcairiel | gui means all graphical interface, which is dropdown and wf |
| 02:02.37 | Xinhuan | i see, i think RockConfig assumes that "hidden = " must be a boolean field |
| 02:02.45 | Xinhuan | rather than a function |
| 02:02.54 | Nargiddley | even just hidden ? |
| 02:03.00 | Xinhuan | not entirely sure |
| 02:04.00 | Xinhuan | i'm going to do some edits to see if i can get this working |
| 02:04.02 | Xinhuan | brb |
| 02:04.02 | Nargiddley | waterfall looks for the most specific one that isn't nil then uses that as either boolean/function/methodname |
| 02:04.09 | Xuerian | If we're going to have all three it really should be standard |
| 02:04.35 | Nargiddley | that spec has been hacked on too much :/ |
| 02:04.52 | Xuerian | Yeah, but isn't it getting replaced in ace3 anyway? |
| 02:04.57 | Nargiddley | yep |
| 02:05.04 | Xuerian | So patch it up for now |
| 02:05.13 | Xuerian | this is what hax are made for :p |
| 02:05.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: also go to skill cooldowns in waterfall, you will find it empty even when selecting different skills, until you switch to a different config part, then switch back to skill cooldowns, at which point it will suddently begin working |
| 02:05.36 | Xinhuan | later one issue at a time |
| 02:05.44 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah sure |
| 02:06.09 | Guillotine | is there any way to replicate ... functionality without adding any more functions? e.g. ...=GetGossipAvailableQuests() |
| 02:06.13 | sag_ich_nicht | actually this is true for all dropdown menus that "show" options, i just tested in groupsettings too |
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| 02:07.02 | nevcairiel | Guillotine: no, only with a table, but that requires unpack() .. another function %) |
| 02:07.23 | Guillotine | boo, wanted to make sure. thanks :) |
| 02:11.44 | Xinhuan | heh, a simple fix |
| 02:11.51 | Nickenyfiken | "The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression." :-( |
| 02:11.51 | Xinhuan | and it works perfectly in rockconfig now |
| 02:11.55 | Nickenyfiken | Stupid Fish |
| 02:14.27 | Xinhuan | ok sag_ich_nicht, i have a fix, i'm going to check bigzero's branch to see if he did the same thing |
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| 02:16.16 | Xinhuan | actually, i can't tell what he did since he uploaded a new copy instead of branching it |
| 02:17.44 | sag_ich_nicht | diff it |
| 02:17.55 | sag_ich_nicht | his stuff didn't actually fix it, just change the error message |
| 02:18.03 | sag_ich_nicht | *the error |
| 02:18.04 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 02:18.20 | Xinhuan | i'll give you a fix in about 5 minutes, i need to reinstall a copy of CDT2 since i didn't make a backup |
| 02:18.25 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
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| 02:27.46 | Xinhuan | hmm i tried to write a recursive function to fix it |
| 02:27.55 | Xinhuan | but it ended in stack overflow, i think i better study this a bit more ;p |
| 02:28.26 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
| 02:28.31 | Xinhuan | i'm trying to do a small 10 line function that fixes it, rather than add 250 lines of aceopttable to fix it |
| 02:28.42 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
| 02:29.55 | sag_ich_nicht | NightHawkTheSane now what was that about that insult to my intelligence? :P |
| 02:33.27 | Megalon | how can one insult which does not exist? |
| 02:33.32 | Megalon | ;p |
| 02:34.23 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 02:34.35 | Pkekyo| | screw this, I've started to halucinate |
| 02:34.35 | Pkekyo| | I'm going to bed! |
| 02:34.35 | Pkekyo| | g'nite peeps |
| 02:34.39 | sag_ich_nicht | night |
| 02:34.48 | Osstia|home | night |
| 02:35.16 | Xinhuan | looking at the error for the skills page now |
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| 02:37.17 | sag_ich_nicht | CDT2 is a big mess anyway, bigzero was complaining about it the whole time while he tried to fix it |
| 02:38.08 | Osstia|home | I am not seeing this on the API page, but is there a way to do something like if Frame:Isvisible() then Frame:Hide(); else Frame:Show(); |
| 02:38.45 | Xinhuan | so after you tracked the error down to a specific part, i've fixed it in 30 minutes :) |
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| 02:38.59 | Xinhuan | Osstia: you just typed that code :) |
| 02:39.08 | Xinhuan | there is no "toggle" code |
| 02:39.11 | Osstia|home | is FrameIsVisible() valid? |
| 02:39.15 | Xinhuan | you write that toggle yourself |
| 02:39.25 | Xinhuan | yes, :IsVisible() is valid |
| 02:39.27 | Osstia|home | thats the part I am foggy about |
| 02:39.54 | Xinhuan | frame:IsVisible() === frame:IsShown() and frame:GetParent():IsVisible() |
| 02:39.56 | Xinhuan | understand? |
| 02:39.57 | Nargiddley | IsVisible is whether it and all its parents are shown, IsShown is only whether it is. A parent could still be hidden so it wouldnt be drawn |
| 02:40.21 | Xinhuan | if :IsVisible() is true, then is can be physically seen on the screen |
| 02:40.21 | Osstia|home | okay |
| 02:40.30 | Xinhuan | s/is/it |
| 02:40.38 | Osstia|home | I am looking to use your minimap button to toggle the display of the frame |
| 02:40.49 | Xinhuan | if :IsShown() is true, it may not be visible, because its parent could be hidden |
| 02:40.49 | Osstia|home | so I think you got me close enough I can figure it out |
| 02:42.27 | Osstia|home | that makes perfect sense |
| 02:45.12 | Xinhuan | hmm sag, the skill tab problem is harder to track down |
| 02:45.15 | Xinhuan | still looking |
| 02:47.14 | Osstia|home | when are values actually saved to the saved variables? |
| 02:47.35 | Xinhuan | when you logout/reloadui |
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| 02:49.38 | kaiden | Anyone ever noticed the bug where the game will say you are in a certain resolution but you wont actually be in that resolution? or it wont switch when you change resolutions via the video system |
| 02:49.50 | Xinhuan | sag_ich_nicht there? |
| 02:49.52 | Osstia|home | no, I have not |
| 02:50.04 | Osstia|home | I only play in windowed mode kaiden, but have never seen that |
| 02:50.35 | Xinhuan | paste the following code in options.lua, just above the last line where :registerchatcommand() is called |
| 02:50.38 | Xinhuan | http://pastey.net/79629 |
| 02:50.46 | Xinhuan | i haven't figured out the skills tab yet |
| 02:51.59 | kaiden | hrm.. ok anyone know if there's a way for a mod to interfere with the games resolutions.... running caiths new ui and the game looks exactly the same even when i tell it to switch to 800x600 mode |
| 02:52.28 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah i'm here |
| 02:52.59 | sag_ich_nicht | hmm |
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| 02:53.37 | Xinhuan | better? |
| 02:53.39 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll just plug it into luaslinger |
| 02:53.43 | sag_ich_nicht | hold |
| 02:53.47 | sag_ich_nicht | my videocard just crashed |
| 02:53.53 | Xinhuan | lol? |
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| 02:56.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: it's broken, i'm getting a new one, from time to time it "crashes", all landscape textures in WoW vanish and the fps drops to ~3 |
| 02:56.54 | Xinhuan | sounds like overheating, or insufficient power supply |
| 02:57.12 | sag_ich_nicht | 1 kW PSU, enermax galaxy, that's not the problem. |
| 02:57.14 | sag_ich_nicht | yes, it's overheating |
| 02:57.23 | sag_ich_nicht | but it's already overheated too much, it's permanently damaged |
| 02:57.44 | Paradoxmas_ | sounds like my other pc's cards |
| 02:57.54 | Paradoxmas_ | permanently fucked from overheating |
| 02:58.03 | Paradoxmas_ | texture glitches in any game :( |
| 02:58.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: after applying your fix, i'm not getting any errors anymore, but i'm wondering about something but i'm not sure if it's caused by that, if i go to Announce Settings and check/uncheck locked, it doesn't hide the announce on rechecking. |
| 02:58.29 | sag_ich_nicht | a reboot generally fixes the problem for me |
| 02:58.54 | Xinhuan | it shows and hides for me |
| 02:58.58 | Xinhuan | in rockconfig |
| 02:59.13 | sag_ich_nicht | hmmm lemme check something |
| 02:59.14 | Xinhuan | as well as waterfall |
| 02:59.27 | Xinhuan | wait, did you say locked |
| 02:59.51 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 03:00.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm talking about the positioning frame hidding/unhidding |
| 03:00.23 | sag_ich_nicht | it unhides the frame when i uncheck locked, but it doesn't rehide it if i check it |
| 03:00.32 | sag_ich_nicht | (i can still hide it by shift+clicking the frame tho) |
| 03:00.55 | sag_ich_nicht | s/frame/frame anchor provided/ |
| 03:01.27 | Xinhuan | that's an issue that seems to be there even before i pasteyed you my fix |
| 03:01.44 | Xinhuan | i.e it has always been an issue |
| 03:01.50 | Xinhuan | the set function doesn't hide it |
| 03:01.54 | Xinhuan | yu have to shit-click to hide it |
| 03:02.10 | sag_ich_nicht | well, minor annoyance then i guess |
| 03:02.21 | Xinhuan | because the author didn't call the shift-click function in the config set function |
| 03:03.56 | sag_ich_nicht | *sigh* |
| 03:04.05 | Xinhuan | lol i found the issue |
| 03:04.09 | Xinhuan | with the other one |
| 03:04.11 | Xinhuan | with the dropdown |
| 03:04.19 | Xinhuan | the author used TWO DAMN GLOBALS |
| 03:04.26 | Xinhuan | selecteditem and selectedskill |
| 03:04.51 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
| 03:05.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: actually go check CDT2 for globals |
| 03:05.10 | sag_ich_nicht | iirc it has a lot of unneeded ones |
| 03:05.23 | Xinhuan | not at 11 am |
| 03:05.25 | Xinhuan | i need sleep soon |
| 03:05.28 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
| 03:05.55 | Xinhuan | actually making those globals local isn't enough, brb, checking more |
| 03:06.52 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 03:06.54 | Xinhuan | fixed |
| 03:07.04 | Xinhuan | put this line at the top of the file |
| 03:07.04 | Xinhuan | local selecteditem, selectedskill = "", "" |
| 03:07.11 | Xinhuan | (yes 2 empty strings) |
| 03:07.15 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 03:07.41 | sag_ich_nicht | how about you commit the fixes to the SVN? i doubt Speeddymon or a-stray-cat would mind, and maybe then my MT stops bugging me :X |
| 03:07.52 | Xinhuan | maybe you can bug Speeddymon himself |
| 03:07.54 | Xinhuan | ~lart Speeddymon |
| 03:07.55 | purl | squeezes Speeddymon till Speeddymon turns blue like papa smurf |
| 03:08.23 | sag_ich_nicht | i already did, he doesn't really have time, he said he'll look into it, but gave development off to a-stray-cat |
| 03:08.27 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 03:08.44 | Xinhuan | but as a summary, the 2 fixes are 1. the pastey stuff at the bottom, 2. the 2 locals at the top |
| 03:09.05 | Xinhuan | to explain what the RockConfig fix is |
| 03:09.18 | Xinhuan | basically, RockConfig doesn't recognize what the wfHidden field is for, so it ignores it |
| 03:09.26 | Xinhuan | Waterfall uses this field to hide a control |
| 03:09.49 | Xinhuan | so the recursive function simply loops through the whole table, and copies the .wfHidden field to the .hidden field |
| 03:10.00 | Xinhuan | so rockconfig can use it |
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| 03:10.44 | Xinhuan | the second error with locals is that selectedskill returns nil as a global, so the dropdown fails |
| 03:10.56 | sag_ich_nicht | hm... i think changing RockConfig to recognize the .wFHidden field would be more useful, to prevent errors like this from other addons in the future |
| 03:10.57 | Xinhuan | while selecteditem didn't return nil |
| 03:11.15 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart ckknight_ |
| 03:11.16 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats ckknight_ until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 03:11.17 | Xinhuan | possibly, but that isn't my decision |
| 03:11.22 | sag_ich_nicht | i know :) |
| 03:11.29 | ZealotOnAStick | Has anyone written an addon to make the Icon Selection area of the Macro creation process (where you name the macro and pick the icon) bigger, or maybe even categorize the icons? |
| 03:11.36 | Xinhuan | i'm not about to go and fix frameworks, which could be by design or not |
| 03:11.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: i know, and i agree with the reasoning behind it |
| 03:11.56 | ckknight_ | sag_ich_nicht: except that RockConfig is not waterfall |
| 03:12.00 | Xinhuan | ZealotOnAStick, dunno |
| 03:12.08 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i know :P |
| 03:12.21 | ZealotOnAStick | Well, someone should. The little scrolling narrow frame the default UI has is frustrating. |
| 03:12.31 | Xuerian | sag_ich_nicht: No, it would not be better |
| 03:12.45 | Xuerian | sag_ich_nicht: wfHidden is not a reasonable field |
| 03:12.56 | Xuerian | addon should use guiHidden |
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| 03:13.08 | sag_ich_nicht | hm... find and replace? |
| 03:13.12 | ckknight | yea, pretty much |
| 03:13.27 | Xinhuan | pretty much, sag_ich_nicht, there were 2 possible fixes to options.lua |
| 03:13.29 | Xuerian | I believe Xinhuan was looking at that issue, probably ask him |
| 03:13.38 | sag_ich_nicht | or is the syntax for .wfHidden different to the one of guiHidden? |
| 03:13.38 | Xinhuan | one was to rename all wfHidden to hidden |
| 03:13.42 | ckknight | wfHidden is an implementation-specific thing |
| 03:13.44 | Nargiddley | someone else hacked wfHidden into waterfall, it should have been dialogHidden or somethnig :/ |
| 03:13.44 | Xinhuan | the other was to copy wfHidden to hidden |
| 03:13.50 | ckknight | not part of the spec |
| 03:14.00 | Xinhuan | i chose the copy option, because that doesn't break waterfall |
| 03:14.14 | Xinhuan | hence i pasteyed you the recursive function solution |
| 03:14.16 | sag_ich_nicht | hm yes |
| 03:16.21 | sag_ich_nicht | putting the function at the bottom of options.lua and the empty strings on top should take care of both issues, am i correct? |
| 03:16.47 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 03:16.58 | Xinhuan | you only highlighted these 2 issues to me in the first place |
| 03:17.38 | Xinhuan | i've also decided to use CDT2 for a week to see if i find it useful, if i don't, i'm kiling it ;p |
| 03:17.49 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah, i'll see if i can find more, after rebooting. there was something weird going on with the way CDT2 does it's localisation |
| 03:18.49 | sag_ich_nicht | (should use babble anyway and not the propritary way it's done now, but meh) |
| 03:20.14 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway, brb reboot |
| 03:20.17 | Xinhuan | babble |
| 03:20.19 | Xinhuan | is bloated |
| 03:20.31 | Xinhuan | well "bloated" if you only intend to use 2 or 3 strings from it |
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| 03:25.47 | sag_ich_nicht | [04:20] <Xinhuan> babble <--what were you going to say? |
| 03:26.08 | Xinhuan | i was saying, babble is overkill if it was only going to use 2-3 strings outof it |
| 03:26.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: go check the deDE localisations etc. |
| 03:26.41 | sag_ich_nicht | just look at the files and scroll down to items |
| 03:26.43 | Xinhuan | the dede localizatins is dumb, because it is trying to localize item names, not even babble does that |
| 03:27.08 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 03:27.26 | Xinhuan | you'll notice no other localization file has those |
| 03:27.30 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah i see it |
| 03:27.32 | Xinhuan | looks fine to me |
| 03:27.35 | sag_ich_nicht | should probably delete it |
| 03:27.57 | sag_ich_nicht | because there was an error message occuring from it |
| 03:30.42 | ckknight | what the world will be like in 100 years from 1900, in the year 2000: http://blogoscoped.com/files/what-may-happen-in-2000-large.jpg |
| 03:33.07 | xyu | dammit my audio settings are in chinese wtf! |
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| 03:37.13 | Xinhuan | lol ckknight |
| 03:37.26 | Kalroth | Taller americans? More like wider! |
| 03:37.28 | Xinhuan | "Automobiles will be cheaper than horses are today" |
| 03:37.32 | Xinhuan | bullshit :D |
| 03:37.43 | ckknight | horses are expensive |
| 03:37.51 | ckknight | granted, cars are too |
| 03:37.56 | ckknight | depends on whether you get em second-hand |
| 03:37.59 | ckknight | and what dealer |
| 03:38.04 | Xinhuan | i still don't think a horse is worth more though? |
| 03:38.37 | Kalroth | In overall cost it probably is |
| 03:38.47 | Kalroth | You need to feed it, house it, etc. |
| 03:39.01 | ckknight | take it for an oil change |
| 03:39.22 | Xinhuan | a lot of that article takes quite a bit of imaginatin |
| 03:39.24 | Xinhuan | +o |
| 03:39.24 | Industrial | cycle \o/ |
| 03:39.30 | Xinhuan | to write at 1900 |
| 03:39.33 | sag_ich_nicht | hmm |
| 03:39.52 | ckknight | yea, I agree |
| 03:40.01 | xyu | i wish that education was free shit was true :D |
| 03:40.07 | sag_ich_nicht | looks like there is another bug in CDT2 Xinhuan, in the cooldown detection |
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| 03:40.24 | Xinhuan | oh god, please no sag_ich_nicht |
| 03:40.27 | Xinhuan | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 03:40.27 | purl | whacks sag_ich_nicht with a giant beaver's tail |
| 03:40.38 | ckknight | xyu: not me ;-) but I'm a libertarian |
| 03:40.45 | aestil | Xinhuan: you may code too much. 90% of recent commits to my addons are from you. go take a break. |
| 03:40.45 | Xinhuan | i don't intend to take over maintenance of that addon |
| 03:41.11 | sag_ich_nicht | if you login with an item on cooldown, it assumes the full cooldown on the addon instead of the actual cooldown, i just noticed when i logged in with my hearth on CD :P |
| 03:41.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: i know :) |
| 03:41.18 | Xinhuan | hey if you noticed, all those commits are directly or indirectly related to _Routes |
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| 03:41.25 | aestil | i know. |
| 03:41.38 | Xinhuan | that includes cowtip affecting talismonger, which affected _mining which affected _routes |
| 03:41.39 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 03:42.10 | Xinhuan | in the process, learnt a million things about rock and ace2 ~_~ |
| 03:43.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: there is still an tables bug, i wanted to kill the hearthstone CD bar, so i went to the Item Cooldowns options, selected the hearthstone... and, well, it behaves very weird. i can't really describe it |
| 03:43.56 | sag_ich_nicht | but i suggest you go to bed :P |
| 03:44.18 | Xinhuan | can't you just disable it |
| 03:44.50 | sag_ich_nicht | that's the problem, the Enable/Disable checkbox is behaving very weird |
| 03:45.09 | Xinhuan | looks fine to me |
| 03:45.12 | sag_ich_nicht | oO |
| 03:46.25 | sag_ich_nicht | well, it looked completely weird first, i played around with it then it returned to it's normal checkbox look, but checking/unchecking it doesn't do anything, lemme try in WF |
| 03:46.34 | Xinhuan | i went to hearthstone, disabled hearthstone, hearthed, no cooldown bar |
| 03:46.54 | sag_ich_nicht | you should have hearthed THEN disabled hearthstone. |
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| 03:47.21 | sag_ich_nicht | lemme see if the same thing happens with a skill cooldown |
| 03:47.37 | Xinhuan | how about you post in the thread for CDT2 |
| 03:47.42 | Xinhuan | for the author to fix |
| 03:48.20 | sag_ich_nicht | jup, same thing |
| 03:48.21 | sag_ich_nicht | meh, fine :P you've done enough to help me already anyway, thanks :) |
| 03:48.22 | sylvanaar_work | Xinhuan, tell me why Prat's core addon's static memory usage is so high |
| 03:48.52 | Xinhuan | enabling/disabling a skill/item only seems to affect the cooldown detection |
| 03:48.56 | Xinhuan | it doesn't add/remove existing bars |
| 03:49.21 | Xinhuan | which as far as i can see, seems reasonable |
| 03:49.38 | Xinhuan | sylvanaar_work, high meaning how much |
| 03:49.51 | sag_ich_nicht | okay happens with skills ttoo, but works fine once the bar runs out |
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| 03:50.53 | sylvanaar_work | Xinhuan 700k in some instances |
| 03:51.05 | Xinhuan | by "core", which files do you mean? |
| 03:51.11 | sylvanaar_work | Prat.lua |
| 03:51.28 | Xinhuan | so prat with every module disabled takes 700k? |
| 03:51.58 | Pernicius | where can i download WAU 2.0? |
| 03:52.15 | sylvanaar_work | actually i just tested a moment ago - with all the modules disabled it was about 400k |
| 03:52.34 | Fin | sylvanaar_work: was that with a completely clean SV? |
| 03:52.40 | Fin | (hey btw! long time) |
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| 03:53.09 | sylvanaar_work | hey fin - yeah it was relatively clean |
| 03:53.11 | Xinhuan | it could possibly be because you registered 6 or 7 languages of translations in the same file |
| 03:53.59 | Xinhuan | you can probably surround each translation registration with a if GetLocale() == "xxXX" chunk |
| 03:54.09 | Xinhuan | although i'm not entirely sure if acelocale throws away unused locales |
| 03:54.26 | sylvanaar_work | i dont know - i have thought of that - im tired of people saying that prat uses too much memory or whatever - i just cant seem to pinpoint where its using it |
| 03:54.49 | Fin | uhm |
| 03:54.52 | sylvanaar_work | its not the sv's fin |
| 03:54.54 | Fin | hmm |
| 03:58.33 | Xinhuan | command:match("^(#%s*[Ss][Hh][Oo][Ww][Tt][Oo][Oo][Ll][Tt][Ii][Pp]:*)%s[^%s]") |
| 03:58.35 | Xinhuan | rofl? |
| 03:58.41 | sylvanaar_work | read the comment |
| 03:58.57 | Xinhuan | surely you can do strlower() for the match |
| 03:59.48 | sylvanaar_work | that does generate more garbage though |
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| 04:01.00 | Xinhuan | utils.lua is required for prat.lua? |
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| 04:01.44 | sylvanaar_work | yeah - it has the utility code which is shared across all the modules |
| 04:02.06 | CIA-8 | 03steste78 * r57528 10FuBar_IceHudFu/ (. FuBar_IceHudFu.toc): FuBar_IceHudFu:Adds a FuBar opition for IceHud |
| 04:03.09 | thul | I'm tired of drunk people. |
| 04:03.14 | Kalroth | lol |
| 04:03.41 | Xinhuan | can you explain what literal_tostring_prime does? |
| 04:04.16 | sylvanaar_work | it does what /print does |
| 04:04.36 | Xinhuan | is that neccessary? |
| 04:04.58 | ckknight | Xinhuan: it's an internal function |
| 04:05.01 | ckknight | you shouldn't worry about it |
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| 04:05.25 | Xinhuan | well he asked what is causing 700k memory, so i'm looking for clues |
| 04:05.44 | ckknight | that's not it. |
| 04:05.53 | sylvanaar_work | that gets called when debugging is turned on mostly |
| 04:06.29 | ckknight | ah, well, it could create strings and the like |
| 04:07.22 | sylvanaar_work | you are right though i dont think thats it - i think its something with the options tables |
| 04:07.31 | Xinhuan | every call to it invokes several findglobals[] which fills up a metatable as well, where the index is a new string |
| 04:07.49 | Xinhuan | maybe i'll look at it deeper later |
| 04:07.53 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, but its not called during normal execution |
| 04:07.57 | Xinhuan | right |
| 04:08.14 | Xinhuan | i assume debugmode is normally off? |
| 04:08.17 | sylvanaar_work | yes |
| 04:08.47 | sylvanaar_work | you'd be surprised how painful it is to debug a chat mod |
| 04:09.18 | Fin | I was |
| 04:10.08 | kaiden | hrm.... i wish bankstack had guild bank support |
| 04:10.27 | Xinhuan | i don't see anything obvious at the moment that would use memory |
| 04:10.35 | sylvanaar_work | yeah - me either |
| 04:11.08 | Xinhuan | how much memory does a empty function take? |
| 04:11.20 | thul | approx 10 |
| 04:12.08 | sylvanaar_work | maybe its all the closures in the options tables |
| 04:12.14 | CIA-8 | 03steste78 * r57529 10FuBar_IceHudFu/: FuBar_IceHudFu:Adds a FuBar opition for IceHud |
| 04:14.54 | Xinhuan | i doubt that, _routes easily creates 10+ closures per route |
| 04:15.01 | Xinhuan | and it doesn't use much memory |
| 04:15.24 | Xinhuan | so with some 30 routes that's 300+ closures |
| 04:15.45 | ckknight | Xinhuan: just closures or new functions for each? |
| 04:15.54 | ckknight | it also depends on what those closures do |
| 04:15.55 | Xinhuan | both |
| 04:16.19 | Xinhuan | the new functions for each each contain upvalue local closures |
| 04:17.21 | ckknight | but do they set those upvalues? |
| 04:17.28 | ckknight | cause that's 4B vs. 32B |
| 04:17.55 | Xinhuan | no, it only uses them as table indexes, so they are static |
| 04:18.12 | ckknight | then that's 4B per upvalue per closure |
| 04:18.19 | Xinhuan | yup |
| 04:18.25 | ckknight | plus 8B per closure (I think) |
| 04:18.32 | Xinhuan | still when talking about single digit bytes |
| 04:18.41 | Xinhuan | it doesn't quite come close to the 400-800k sylvanaar_work is seeing |
| 04:19.25 | Xinhuan | you would need like 400k/40 = 10k closures or something |
| 04:19.37 | Xinhuan | if each one 40 bytes |
| 04:20.28 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: is there something i could macro to enable/disable waypointing and toggling the direction? :X |
| 04:20.42 | Xinhuan | sag_ich_nicht, no, i forgot to add keybindings |
| 04:22.00 | Xinhuan | sylvanaar_work, what does registering patterns do? |
| 04:23.02 | sylvanaar_work | prat has a pattern matching service the modules can use |
| 04:23.28 | sylvanaar_work | they can register patterns to search for, and they get called back if a match is found |
| 04:23.39 | CIA-8 | 03steste78 * r57530 10FuBar_IceHudFu/FuBar_IceHudFu.toc: FuBar_IceHudFu:Adds a FuBar opition for IceHud |
| 04:23.48 | Xinhuan | so prat throws an event to the interested modules, so to speak? |
| 04:23.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: i'd rather have button that i can /click, but keybinds are fine too :P |
| 04:24.15 | Xinhuan | sag, that button is on routesFu for now |
| 04:24.20 | Xinhuan | a bit hard to click, but, yeah |
| 04:24.31 | sylvanaar_work | yes, in the case of patterns it calls the match function which is supplied when the pattern is registered |
| 04:25.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: oic |
| 04:25.42 | sag_ich_nicht | that's good enough |
| 04:25.49 | sylvanaar_work | there is a similar registry for hyperlinks |
| 04:25.49 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 04:25.55 | sag_ich_nicht | what's the range of tracking abilities? |
| 04:26.09 | Ellipsis` | visible range |
| 04:26.10 | Xinhuan | how often does "text = string.gsub (text, v.pattern, v.matchfunc)" get called in :MatchPatterns() |
| 04:26.25 | Ellipsis` | so 100yd +/- the server's prediction of your position |
| 04:26.48 | sylvanaar_work | alot |
| 04:26.52 | Xinhuan | acording to grum, its 80 yards for detection-in, and 100 yards for detection-out |
| 04:27.17 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 04:27.21 | sag_ich_nicht | hm then 80 yard should do fine :X |
| 04:27.23 | sag_ich_nicht | but i'll use 75 |
| 04:27.36 | Xinhuan | you would have to stare at the minimap a lot |
| 04:27.44 | Xinhuan | if you only go by 5 yards of "detection range" |
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| 04:33.18 | Xinhuan | what's with the self:RegisterAllEvents("OnEvent") |
| 04:33.34 | Xinhuan | and in your Prat:OnEvent(..) |
| 04:33.44 | Xinhuan | you are doing substr(event, 1, 8) |
| 04:33.46 | Xinhuan | on every event |
| 04:33.54 | Xinhuan | in the entire game |
| 04:34.00 | Xinhuan | strsub* |
| 04:34.10 | Ellipsis` | ahaha |
| 04:34.47 | Xinhuan | although technically speaking, there's only that many events, a few hundred at max |
| 04:34.50 | CIA-8 | 03steste78 * r57531 10FuBar_IceHudFu/FuBar_IceHudFu.toc: FuBar_IceHudFu:Adds a FuBar opition for IceHud |
| 04:35.13 | Xinhuan | and strsub() will eventually generate those few hundred strings in the memory |
| 04:36.10 | Industrial | all those fu plugins are so pointless :| |
| 04:36.26 | Xinhuan | but i really don't think you need to registerALLevents? |
| 04:37.23 | Xinhuan | i'm also unfamiliar with how Lua handles the call stack with vararg functions, does "..." get stored as a table internally? |
| 04:37.47 | Xinhuan | all those events getting thrown, with args passing in as "..." |
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| 04:40.50 | sag_ich_nicht | [05:27] <Xinhuan> you would have to stare at the minimap a lot <--i do :P |
| 04:41.18 | Xinhuan | sag, you may find that turning on minimap-rotate works better ;p |
| 04:42.07 | sylvanaar_work | Xinhuan yes - because i need to assign a unique ID to each event |
| 04:42.29 | Xinhuan | you still don't have to register every event, and they will still be unique |
| 04:42.55 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, there is a more optimal way to do it i know |
| 04:42.59 | Xinhuan | considering that Prat.EVENT_ID is increasing monotically and never decreasing |
| 04:43.16 | Xinhuan | i don't know, i am just suspecting that triggering every event and passing in the args as "..." |
| 04:43.24 | Xinhuan | could be a possible memory thing |
| 04:43.31 | Xinhuan | i dont know |
| 04:43.52 | sylvanaar_work | prat doesnt have problems with increasing memory usage though - its static really |
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| 04:44.40 | Xinhuan | since 2.3, memory use ooc is fairly constantly though, due to more aggressive GC |
| 04:48.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: there is STILL weird behaviour in CDT2, i noticed that the dropdown menu has more configuration options than rock or waterfall do |
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| 04:49.14 | sag_ich_nicht | (but nvm it :P) |
| 04:49.17 | Xinhuan | WHAT |
| 04:49.21 | Xinhuan | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 04:49.21 | purl | hits sag_ich_nicht with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 04:49.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: yes, i noticed when i tried to unlock the pulse frame |
| 04:49.48 | Xinhuan | if you didn't know yet, dewdrop doesn't attempt to hide stuff |
| 04:49.55 | sag_ich_nicht | and couldn't find any option for it |
| 04:50.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: yeah, but there seems to be some stuff that's perma-hidden |
| 04:50.17 | sag_ich_nicht | i.e. with no toggle to unhide it |
| 04:50.27 | Xinhuan | there's something wrong with the pulse frame code anyway |
| 04:50.35 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno |
| 04:50.37 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 04:50.45 | sag_ich_nicht | s/pulse frame/CDT2/ |
| 04:50.46 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed |
| 04:51.42 | Xinhuan | the hidden stuff usually require some setting to be On/Enabled/Unlocked for them to show |
| 04:51.50 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
| 04:52.00 | Xinhuan | personally, i wouldn't use "hidden" fields at all |
| 04:52.06 | Xinhuan | and just use "disabled" fields |
| 04:52.21 | sag_ich_nicht | but some of the hidden options don't seem to have such a toggle associated with at all |
| 04:52.28 | Xinhuan | like what |
| 04:52.39 | ckknight | http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/landlordcatd128431715294243750.jpg |
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| 04:53.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: e.g. all of the pulse options |
| 04:55.33 | Xinhuan | what pulse options are you talking about |
| 04:56.04 | sag_ich_nicht | go to Announce Settings |
| 04:56.22 | sag_ich_nicht | it's there, but only in the dewdrop menu, not in waterfall or rock, and there is no way to show it in either |
| 04:57.26 | Xinhuan | that is because the dewdrop menu uses menu.lua |
| 04:57.33 | Xinhuan | not options.lua |
| 04:57.38 | Xinhuan | have fun |
| 04:57.53 | Xinhuan | search menu.lua for "pulse fade-in" |
| 04:57.55 | Xinhuan | and you'll see |
| 04:58.19 | Xinhuan | the author rewrote the entire thing using dewdrop AddLine()s |
| 04:58.26 | Xinhuan | instead of just injecting the aceopt table as a dewdrop |
| 04:59.11 | Xinhuan | (don't ask me why, its dumb that the work is duplicated since there's duplicates of every function in option.lua and menu.lua) |
| 04:59.26 | ckknight | I blame gnomes |
| 04:59.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: jesus christ that's retarded. |
| 05:00.07 | Xinhuan | its not an aceopt table fault, it is a design issue |
| 05:00.58 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
| 05:01.02 | Xinhuan | and honestly, i wuld have thought you would have tried to look around for the issue first before badgering me :D |
| 05:01.36 | Kalroth | Muushroom, muuushrom |
| 05:01.47 | Xinhuan | oh its a snake... ooooh its a snake |
| 05:02.53 | Xinhuan | in all likelihood, waterfall was added later |
| 05:02.56 | sag_ich_nicht | i did :P |
| 05:02.59 | Xinhuan | only dewdrop was available at the start |
| 05:03.03 | sag_ich_nicht | probably |
| 05:03.44 | Xinhuan | because the aceopt table definitely didn't look like it was dew-dropped, with all those wfHidden |
| 05:08.21 | sag_ich_nicht | interesting |
| 05:08.31 | sag_ich_nicht | the waypoints for routes just stopped working |
| 05:08.35 | sag_ich_nicht | for no apparent reason |
| 05:08.36 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 05:10.05 | sag_ich_nicht | hmm... who's the author of simpleminimap? |
| 05:10.24 | Kivin | How would I use tsvn to make a branch of my addon? |
| 05:11.15 | Fin | first make sure that before creating a branch, your addon is healthy and strong. have you been watering it every day? are the leaves full and vibrant? then it's time for a branch. |
| 05:11.42 | Fin | remember that before your first branch, you may wish to create a stick, to practise commonly used skills |
| 05:11.46 | ckknight | svn is horrible for branches |
| 05:11.57 | Fin | sticks share many of the same features of branches, but are simpler to use and create |
| 05:11.59 | Kivin | ckknight: That's wonderful; how do I do it? |
| 05:12.04 | Fin | just remember: stick at it! aha |
| 05:12.07 | ckknight | you have been warned! |
| 05:12.12 | Kivin | ckknight: Indeed, I have. |
| 05:12.17 | Kivin | so... how do i do it? |
| 05:12.20 | ckknight | svn cp |
| 05:12.37 | ckknight | I forget how to with tsvn |
| 05:13.24 | Osstia|mac | wow fin, that was precious |
| 05:13.34 | CIA-8 | 03kivin 07KivinLootzor * r57532 10CombLib-1.0/: Created folder remotely |
| 05:14.04 | Kivin | Hmm that atrocious bot spams here for branches, too? |
| 05:14.48 | Fin | Kivin, have you heard about this bleeding edge new feature of IRC, /ignore? |
| 05:15.01 | Fin | it's only atrocious because you let it be! |
| 05:15.03 | Fin | teach it some manners |
| 05:15.30 | Fin | and remember! it's not being /ignored until you've announced it to the general public! |
| 05:15.43 | CIA-8 | 03kivin * r57533 10/branches/KivinLootzor/: Created folder remotely |
| 05:16.20 | Ellipsis` | Fin, I love you |
| 05:17.14 | CIA-8 | 03kivin 07Kivin * r57534 10KivinLootzor/: Created folder remotely |
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| 05:17.19 | Kivin | shh noisy robot |
| 05:17.47 | Osstia|mac | fin, you are making me want to buy you a belated christmas gift |
| 05:18.00 | Osstia|mac | i am chuckling pretty good over here |
| 05:18.14 | CIA-8 | 03kivin 07Kivin * r57535 10KivinLootzor/KivinLootzor/: Created folder remotely |
| 05:22.37 | Guillotine | somebody please bump: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3686738982&sid=1 |
| 05:23.15 | Osstia|mac | hey Kivin whats this kivinLootzor do? |
| 05:23.27 | Osstia|mac | looks like it is similar to like an atlasloot, no? |
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| 05:25.34 | Kivin | Osstia: yes |
| 05:25.43 | Kivin | It's intended to be more compact |
| 05:26.03 | Osstia|mac | are you able to export the data you are using? |
| 05:26.15 | Kivin | export in what way? |
| 05:26.21 | Killmore | Guillotine: 2sec |
| 05:26.22 | Osstia|mac | i noticed you have some PvP, Badges, dungeons etc |
| 05:26.33 | Kivin | yeah, i've been only adding items for testing purposes at the moment |
| 05:26.44 | Kivin | i'll deploy a full-scale database in due time |
| 05:26.55 | Osstia|mac | can you get that data in an automated fashion? |
| 05:27.06 | Osstia|mac | seems like it'd be a pain in the ass to maintain |
| 05:27.15 | Kivin | well, most of it needs no updates. |
| 05:27.20 | Kivin | itemids, rarity, and names never change |
| 05:27.40 | Kivin | and the actual tooltips are brought down from the server |
| 05:28.02 | Osstia|mac | can you get things like honor, tokens, prices etc? |
| 05:28.09 | Osstia|mac | or do you have to hardcode that? |
| 05:28.14 | Kivin | it's hard coded atm |
| 05:28.26 | Guillotine | I'm sure it would be easy to make an importer from the armory though |
| 05:28.36 | Kivin | if i can find a good source, i'll write a text interpreter, either in lua or something lower level which formats into lua |
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| 05:28.51 | Kivin | Guillotine: that's an option that's on my list to explore |
| 05:29.12 | Kivin | I understand Allakhazam has xml feeds as well |
| 05:29.42 | Guillotine | if you want I can send you my lua script that takes all item prices from armory and you can change it around a bit to import what you want |
| 05:29.56 | Kivin | groovy |
| 05:29.58 | Osstia|mac | bumped Guillotine |
| 05:30.03 | Guillotine | Osstia: ty :) |
| 05:31.57 | Osstia|mac | Alabama Jones and the Busty Crusade is on next. Wow |
| 05:32.08 | Osstia|mac | i don't get the appeal |
| 05:33.48 | Kivin | D'oh, I forgot to ask Ck something... |
| 05:33.53 | Kivin | ckknight: pingpong |
| 05:34.04 | ckknight | you just say ping |
| 05:34.19 | Osstia|mac | marcopolo |
| 05:34.33 | Kivin | Ck... Why do I get RockConfig opened up in my face whenever I r-click on a pitbull frame which doesn't have a blizzard ui r-click menu associated with it? |
| 05:34.36 | Kivin | such as target's target |
| 05:35.15 | ckknight | Kivin: because *button2 should map to everything but right-click, except that those ones don't have a standard right-click that'd override |
| 05:35.32 | Guillotine | boo, pastey's spam checker is too hard to figure out :( |
| 05:35.39 | Kivin | ckknight: um... ok. what would it take to NOT have rockConfig get spammed on simple clicks? |
| 05:35.52 | ckknight | Kivin: blowjob |
| 05:36.03 | Kivin | ckknight: Not happening |
| 05:36.13 | ckknight | alright then |
| 05:37.05 | Guillotine | Kivin: http://guillotine.pastey.net/79637 <-- script for scanning armory. you'll have to change it around a bit to fit your format, but it should be pretty easy |
| 05:37.11 | Guillotine | you'll need the lua binaries and luasocket |
| 05:37.31 | Kivin | eww... ok |
| 05:38.35 | Kivin | Is there a system behind what itemIDs you request? |
| 05:38.52 | Kivin | And does the Armory throttle you if you request like two dozen in a loop? |
| 05:39.57 | aestil | i can't believe that blizzard is desiging the event driven combat log in the dark, without the addon devs being active. |
| 05:40.30 | Kivin | aestil: As usual, they'll do things the way they like 'em, and leave us to clean up the mess with addons. |
| 05:42.11 | Kivin | Guillotine: I might port that over to C# since I'd be on familiar ground |
| 05:42.39 | Guillotine | go ahead |
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| 05:43.14 | Guillotine | It'd probably be more efficient too, I just used Lua b/c I figured it was what most AddOn authors would be familiar with :) |
| 05:43.45 | Kivin | indeed |
| 05:44.13 | Kivin | that's no worry, though. the bottleneck would be the http requests, not the code interpreter |
| 05:44.13 | Kivin | can you request xml info by name, instead of itemID |
| 05:44.21 | Guillotine | nope |
| 05:44.27 | Kivin | ok |
| 05:44.30 | Guillotine | yah, but C can use multiple pipelines at once to do it :) |
| 05:44.32 | Guillotine | and lua can't |
| 05:44.35 | Guillotine | which is why it would be faster |
| 05:44.46 | Kivin | yeah, but... that's a lot of work :p |
| 05:44.52 | Kivin | for something i can run for 3 minutes and let it tick |
| 05:45.03 | Guillotine | it takes about 15-20 mins :( |
| 05:45.10 | Kivin | Have you tried querying a lot of itemids in a very short period of time? i'd probably have it recursively walk through every itemid in my lootzor table |
| 05:45.17 | Kivin | 15-20 mins for what, every item in the game? |
| 05:45.23 | Guillotine | yes |
| 05:45.24 | Guillotine | oh, I see |
| 05:45.41 | Guillotine | I was thinking you were going to scan all of them and import ones that follow a certain pattern (e.g. being bought with badges) |
| 05:45.53 | Kivin | what i'd probably do is write out a simple table of itemids by hand |
| 05:45.57 | Civrock | Seems like Blizzard added some kind of 'block' to the Armory... after an approximate amount of Arena teams scanned, it starts showing blank pages. |
| 05:46.13 | Kivin | then let the C# application turn that into lua-readable table |
| 05:46.14 | Guillotine | really? o.O I havn't ran my arena team scanner in a bit |
| 05:46.19 | Civrock | After a few minutes is starts working again. |
| 05:46.37 | Civrock | Try it and lemme know if the same thing happens. |
| 05:47.02 | Civrock | Can't even get 100 teams per bracket of a single BG to run through. |
| 05:47.18 | Kivin | that'll be bad if it's the same for items |
| 05:47.24 | Civrock | Who knows. |
| 05:47.29 | Guillotine | just two days ago I was able to do it fine for tiems |
| 05:47.29 | Kivin | would take forever to query even a thousand items for lootzor |
| 05:47.30 | Guillotine | items* |
| 05:47.43 | Kivin | anyways, that gives me some ammunition |
| 05:47.52 | Kivin | i need to rethink the lootzor db a little bit anyways, so that'll get me thinking |
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| 05:48.54 | aestil | top score fu errors make me angry! |
| 05:49.08 | aestil | world pvp is so retarded. |
| 05:49.24 | CIA-8 | 03daviesh * r57536 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/WorldPvP.en.lua: |
| 05:49.24 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 05:49.24 | CIA-8 | - PvP token prices for Zangarmarsh and Hellfire change depending on faction of your character. |
| 05:49.51 | Osstia|mac | whats wrong with World PvP? |
| 05:50.10 | CIA-8 | 03daviesh * r57537 10AtlasLoot/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:50.10 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot: |
| 05:50.10 | CIA-8 | - Fixed PvP Non Set Epics menu labels as well as some minor tweaks. |
| 05:50.50 | Kivin | I never did figure out how to create a branch... anyone know how in TSVN? |
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| 05:59.04 | Arrowmaster | aestil: what topscorefu errors? |
| 06:00.23 | aestil | Arrowmaster: i have a series of them. |
| 06:00.29 | aestil | *shrug* |
| 06:00.35 | aestil | i don't feel like making pasteys |
| 06:01.12 | Industrial | thanks for letting us know |
| 06:02.31 | Kivin | http://ace.pastey.net/79638 <- when I see a line like this in a lib, does the revision number get hand written in? |
| 06:05.02 | Industrial | svn does that |
| 06:05.10 | Industrial | $rev$ or something |
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| 06:05.57 | Kivin | kk |
| 06:05.59 | Kivin | ty |
| 06:07.46 | aestil | is ebbs the only mod of its kind really? |
| 06:07.51 | aestil | besides ctbuffbar |
| 06:09.57 | Ellipsis` | yeah it kinda is, when it comes to general player buffs |
| 06:10.45 | haste | there is one more |
| 06:10.54 | haste | actually two.. but I can't remember the names of them :p |
| 06:12.11 | haste | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/3847/ one of them |
| 06:13.26 | Gngsk | haste, thx for the butsu fix if you didn't see my <3 earlier |
| 06:13.35 | haste | I did :3 |
| 06:13.42 | Ellipsis` | butsu fix? |
| 06:14.05 | Gngsk | it had wonky behavior with containers |
| 06:14.05 | haste | esc not working as intended |
| 06:14.17 | Ellipsis` | o.O |
| 06:16.48 | Zhinjio | Good evening, folks. |
| 06:22.44 | sylvanaar_work | ~x en jp die in a fire |
| 06:22.58 | sylvanaar_work | what do i need to set my charset to? |
| 06:24.18 | haste | utf-8 |
| 06:24.26 | sylvanaar_work | i think it is |
| 06:24.35 | Arrowmaster | client? |
| 06:24.40 | sylvanaar_work | mirc |
| 06:25.16 | Arrowmaster | view->font |
| 06:25.46 | sylvanaar_work | its default |
| 06:25.47 | Arrowmaster | utf-8 to 'display and encode' and check the make default box |
| 06:25.50 | sylvanaar_work | oh |
| 06:26.00 | haste | and use fixedsys v3 if you use fixedsys as font |
| 06:26.04 | Arrowmaster | then you should be able to set it back to default |
| 06:26.21 | haste | and you need japanese fonts installed |
| 06:26.50 | Kivin | That's an awful poor translation of 'die in a fire' ;p |
| 06:26.52 | Arrowmaster | arial ms unicode is perty common |
| 06:26.54 | haste | yep |
| 06:26.59 | haste | hi no daisu d: |
| 06:28.26 | Kivin | haste‚³‚ñA“ú–{Œê‚ð˜b‚·‚±‚Æo—ˆ‚Ü‚·‚©H |
| 06:28.36 | haste | hi2u mojibake |
| 06:28.38 | Arrowmaster | encoding fail |
| 06:29.11 | sylvanaar_work | its amazing that none of the fonts i have tried work |
| 06:29.24 | Kivin | sylvanaar_work: do you have japanese installed in windows? |
| 06:29.33 | Kivin | there is some overhead involved |
| 06:29.42 | Arrowmaster | alt-o, irc/messages |
| 06:30.32 | Arrowmaster | utf-8 display, font linking, multibyte display, multibyte editbox |
| 06:30.35 | Arrowmaster | enable them all |
| 06:31.25 | Arrowmaster | and do you have the 'arial unicode ms' font? |
| 06:31.45 | Arrowmaster | it comes with a lot of ms stuff, i think i got it from office 03 |
| 06:32.15 | sylvanaar_work | x de en schliess dich |
| 06:32.26 | sylvanaar_work | oops |
| 06:32.31 | sylvanaar_work | ~x de en schliess dich |
| 06:32.48 | sylvanaar_work | translatiterations |
| 06:32.59 | sylvanaar_work | transliterations |
| 06:33.03 | haste | ~x no en hei på deg |
| 06:33.11 | haste | :-( |
| 06:33.22 | Arrowmaster | ~x |
| 06:33.28 | haste | ~haste |
| 06:33.38 | purl | a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. |
| 06:33.48 | Kivin | *blink* |
| 06:34.48 | darchon- | Èì... |
| 06:35.15 | haste | ~emulate haste |
| 06:35.15 | purl | abomination! |
| 06:35.21 | haste | :D |
| 06:35.39 | haste | ~factinfo emulate haste |
| 06:35.39 | purl | emulate haste -- last modified at Thu Dec 14 14:41:45 2006 by thalie!n=rollo@63.250.141.74; it has been requested 6 times, last by haste, 24s ago. |
| 06:36.45 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo haste |
| 06:36.45 | purl | haste -- last modified at Tue Dec 19 14:51:09 2006 by haste!n=haste@host-81-191-131-80.bluecom.no; it has been requested 8 times, last by haste, 3m 7s ago. |
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| 06:37.56 | Yurivilca | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t |
| 06:37.58 | Yurivilca | Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! |
| 06:38.12 | haste | =\ |
| 06:38.19 | Arrowmaster | spammer |
| 06:38.26 | sylvanaar_work | i failed the MS office genuine advantage thing - wtf |
| 06:38.34 | Arrowmaster | haha |
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| 06:38.41 | Kivin | I wish PallyPower wouldn't show it's gui if I'm not on my damn paladin |
| 06:38.48 | Arrowmaster | work computer? probably a volume license key |
| 06:38.53 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 06:39.39 | sylvanaar_work | oh well, it wasnt that important anyhow - i was just bored |
| 06:45.05 | sylvanaar_work | there is a new wireshark version - anyone know any cool plugins for it? |
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| 07:02.14 | CIA-8 | 03nargiddley 07Beta * r57538 10Ace3/AceConfig-3.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:02.14 | CIA-8 | Ace3 - AceConfig: |
| 07:02.14 | CIA-8 | - ACE-96: Update validator to allow more fields to be funcrefs |
| 07:02.14 | CIA-8 | - AceConfigDialog: Fix usage string being interpreted as a method name |
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| 07:23.12 | CIA-8 | 03ggcall * r57539 10Babble-2.2/ (Babble-2.2.toc Babble-Boss-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2.lua): |
| 07:23.12 | CIA-8 | Babble-2.2: |
| 07:23.12 | CIA-8 | - update toc note |
| 07:23.12 | CIA-8 | - update Babble-Boss-2.2.lua zhCN boss name |
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| 07:28.25 | CIA-8 | 03ggcall * r57540 10Babble-2.2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:28.25 | CIA-8 | Babble-2.2: |
| 07:28.25 | CIA-8 | - update Babble-Inventory-2.2.lua zhTW translations |
| 07:28.25 | CIA-8 | - patch Babble-Boss-2.2.toc note |
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| 07:34.32 | CIA-8 | 03ggcall * r57541 10Babble-2.2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:34.32 | CIA-8 | Babble-2.2: |
| 07:34.32 | CIA-8 | - update Babble-Vendor-2.2.lua zhTW translation |
| 07:34.32 | CIA-8 | - update Babble-Zone-2.2.lua zhTW translation |
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| 07:37.14 | Synteur | hmm, quick question - is there any possible way to alter the frame strata of a fubar panel, or a bartender bar? i'd like to toss a bartendar bar on top of a fubar panel, but the fubar panel takes up the entire width of the screen :/ |
| 07:37.16 | CIA-8 | 03daviesh * r57542 10AtlasLoot/ (8 files in 5 dirs): |
| 07:37.16 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot: |
| 07:37.16 | CIA-8 | - WishList v0.9, Alt-Click and item to add it to the wishlist, Alt-Click it in the WishList to remove it again. Buttons to display the wishlist are available in Atlas/Alphamap at the loot browser |
| 07:40.36 | Ellipsis` | Synteur: wouldn't it be easier to just resize the fubar? |
| 07:41.19 | Synteur | i suppose i'm entirely oblivious to that then, one sec :S |
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| 07:43.29 | Synteur | yeah, i see nothing for the width of a panel, only the fontsize/thickness for all panels |
| 07:44.36 | Civrock | You can change the strata of Fubar in FuBar_Panel.lua. |
| 07:45.24 | Arrowmaster | resizing the fubar panel does sound like the better solution |
| 07:45.46 | Ellipsis` | Synteur: put your cursor over the end of the fubar and it will turn into a sword, click and drag to the length you want |
| 07:45.53 | Ellipsis` | you may need to unlock the bar if you've locked it |
| 07:45.55 | Arrowmaster | if you dont know how to do that move your cursor to the end of the panel and when you get the sword pointer click and drag |
| 07:46.36 | Arrowmaster | one of the features of fubar that its had forever but not many people realize exists |
| 07:47.08 | Synteur | wow, yeah i was totally oblivious to that >.> |
| 07:47.16 | Synteur | thanks a ton, much appreciated ;) |
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| 07:53.38 | CIA-8 | 037destiny * r57543 10BigWigs/Extras/Version.lua: BigWigs: Extras/Version: koKR Update |
| 07:54.15 | CIA-8 | 03ggcall * r57544 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua: |
| 07:54.15 | CIA-8 | FuBarPlugin-2.0: |
| 07:54.15 | CIA-8 | - update FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua zhCN and zhTW translation |
| 07:55.10 | Synteur | hmm also, while i'm here: any sucessful alternatives to visor? i'd like to be able to move the top middle pvp/zone objective tracker frame (not the cap progressbar) but it doesn't stay put after a relog with visor |
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| 08:02.02 | CIA-8 | 037destiny * r57545 10BigWigs/Extras/Version.lua: BigWigs: Extras/Version: koKR typo fix |
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| 08:05.16 | Snago | Any forum moderator awake? |
| 08:06.03 | Snago | There's 3 new posts with suspitious masked links. |
| 08:07.03 | Snago | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19833;sa=showPosts |
| 08:16.35 | Aeyan | Yeah, just saw one of those. |
| 08:16.50 | Aeyan | Thanks for pointing it out. Hopefully, a mod will nab them quick. |
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| 08:21.00 | Orionshock | -.- |
| 08:21.05 | Orionshock | i feel like an idiot now |
| 08:24.09 | Aeyan | It's all good |
| 08:26.23 | Fin | haha! take *that*, forum! |
| 08:27.00 | CIA-8 | 03ggcall * r57546 10beql/ (Libs/ beql.toc extra/questhistory.lua extra/questhistory.xml): |
| 08:27.00 | CIA-8 | beql: |
| 08:27.00 | CIA-8 | - update questhistory.lua and questhistory.xml |
| 08:27.00 | CIA-8 | - update toc |
| 08:27.38 | Fin | Snago: you're right, those are keylogger posts |
| 08:27.47 | Fin | they've been posted word for word elsewhere: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22so+I+have+been+watching+my+wow+Friends%22&btnG=Search |
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| 08:29.15 | Lukian | rofl |
| 08:29.19 | Lukian | 2.9MB for a keylogger |
| 08:29.21 | Lukian | l2code |
| 08:33.32 | Orionshock | ... init Ace3DB in OnEnable not in main code block....other wise it don't init properly :\ |
| 08:38.42 | Zhinjio | I'd be very interested in a more experienced coder taking a look at what I've produced so far for my plugin, and giving me some feedback on coding style, efficiency, blatant bad practices, etc. |
| 08:38.48 | Zhinjio | If anyone has the time and inclination. |
| 08:42.35 | Fin | more experienced Lua coder, right? |
| 08:42.42 | Zhinjio | yes. |
| 08:42.59 | Zhinjio | I'm a pretty experienced all around coder. been doing it nearly 15 years. |
| 08:43.18 | Zhinjio | I've probably forgotten more languages than alot of people have learned. *grin* |
| 08:43.22 | Zhinjio | well, ok, maybe not. |
| 08:43.46 | Fin | heh, I get what you meant :) |
| 08:43.48 | Orionshock | Zhinjio: throw up a pastey of it and give it some time |
| 08:43.58 | Zhinjio | all 4300 lines? |
| 08:44.00 | Zhinjio | ahem. |
| 08:44.08 | Lukian | Fin, looks likes it's been deleted now? :D |
| 08:44.13 | Fin | that's... a significant amount of text |
| 08:44.16 | Orionshock | or a link.. what eva |
| 08:44.19 | Fin | Lukian: good stuff :) |
| 08:44.27 | Fin | er, not text |
| 08:44.30 | Fin | well it is text |
| 08:44.34 | Fin | special text |
| 08:44.39 | Fin | codey type textr |
| 08:44.40 | Fin | -r |
| 08:44.56 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 08:45.01 | Fin | OK! |
| 08:48.12 | Zhinjio | branches stuff doesn't get automatic zips made out of it, does it? |
| 08:48.18 | Ellipsis` | nope |
| 08:50.17 | Zhinjio | ok, I believe http://skg.trippy.org/code/SKG_5.02.zip should work. |
| 08:50.38 | Orionshock | Zhinjio: ... google code try it :P |
| 08:50.40 | Zhinjio | its a few revisions ago, from the updates perspective, but the bulk of it is there. |
| 08:51.09 | Zhinjio | the wowace site is working for me. *shrug* |
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| 08:52.27 | Orionshock | .. what i tend to do is throw it up on googlecode to futz with it for a while / long time... then once i like it, it get's ported over to wowace's svn |
| 09:07.30 | Zhinjio | I'll take a look at it when I get some time, Orionshock |
| 09:10.12 | Synteur | anyone know of any solid alternatives to visor? top center zone event frame not staying where i put it after i relog makes me cry :( |
| 09:11.28 | Fin | is it possible to dismiss a play pet? I can't seem to get rid of my Clockwork Rocket Bot |
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| 09:11.55 | Fin | the tooltip says "Right click tosummon and dismiss", but, no such luck |
| 09:12.07 | Ellipsis` | right clicking the item worked for me |
| 09:12.30 | CIA-8 | 03nargiddley 07Beta * r57547 10Ace3/AceConfig-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0/AceConfigDialog-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceConfigDialog: - Add to the info tables path when building a tree correctly |
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| 09:12.42 | Fin | oh wait, I think it's disappeared - sorry - it's just you cast a spell "Summon ...." |
| 09:13.04 | Ozguli | -03:43:20- (eriD) is there anything worse than lvling a hunters pet? |
| 09:13.04 | Ozguli | -03:46:27- (nd`KyoChi) HAving a deformed face? |
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| 09:15.06 | CIA-8 | 03nargiddley 07Beta * r57548 10Ace3/AceConfig-3.0/AceConfigCmd-3.0/AceConfigCmd-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceConfigCmd: ACE-96 - name, desc can be a funcref. order, values can be a methodname or funcref |
| 09:16.40 | CIA-8 | 03pettigrow * r57549 10Cartographer_Routes/ (Cartographer_Routes.toc Locale-frFR.lua): Cartographer_Routes: Added french translation |
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| 09:28.46 | CIA-8 | 03nargiddley 07Beta * r57550 10Ace3/AceConfig-3.0/AceConfigCmd-3.0/AceConfigCmd-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceConfigCmd: Add support for tristate on type='toggle' |
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| 09:45.28 | Serena | Cazzo |
| 09:45.32 | Serena | qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 09:45.36 | Ozguli | No. |
| 09:46.41 | Serena | perke? |
| 09:46.53 | Serena | stronzo |
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| 09:51.04 | SunTsu | What a charming guy |
| 09:51.32 | cncfanatics | yo all ! |
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| 09:58.06 | cncfanatics | does WAU work correctly on linux these days ? |
| 09:59.35 | Lukian | I've never tried, I run it on my windows server |
| 09:59.49 | Lukian | you just need a dummy file called wow.exe |
| 10:01.44 | cncfanatics | I'm getting irritated with my linux atm |
| 10:01.46 | cncfanatics | wtf is wrong |
| 10:02.00 | cncfanatics | my fps totaly sucks, thinking ati did a bad job on linux drivers, AGAIN |
| 10:02.32 | Lukian | maybe you should upgrade your ancient card |
| 10:02.49 | cncfanatics | ehm |
| 10:02.58 | cncfanatics | you realize what you just said equals to buying a new computer right ? |
| 10:03.12 | Lukian | you can get newer agp cards |
| 10:03.27 | cncfanatics | hmmm, why would I ? |
| 10:03.32 | cncfanatics | this comp gets replaced in less then a year |
| 10:03.45 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: Looks like it. There are a lot of reports that some guys never had it even running with a ATI-card, switching to nvidia got it working, then |
| 10:04.15 | cncfanatics | I'm ready to bet that switching to a nvidia card as good as this one would fix my issues |
| 10:04.28 | cncfanatics | but unfortunatly, my screen is broke so I need to buy a new one :p don't got cash to also buy a gfx card |
| 10:04.31 | Lukian | cncfanatics, yeah that's the theory I went with |
| 10:04.52 | Lukian | worked out 'cheaper' in the long term to upgrade to pci-express :p |
| 10:05.02 | cncfanatics | I think I might just install windows for the time being |
| 10:05.08 | SunTsu | I am ready to finally spend my christmas money on a new card, today |
| 10:05.14 | cncfanatics | :) |
| 10:05.24 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 10:05.27 | Lukian | cncfanatics, sell your old card and get a 2nd hand 5x00 1 |
| 10:05.35 | cncfanatics | what does a radeon 9600 go for ? |
| 10:05.38 | Lukian | nvidia gf5/6 series :D |
| 10:05.40 | SunTsu | It was time holydays were over ;) |
| 10:05.41 | cncfanatics | and how fast would I get it sold :p |
| 10:06.10 | SunTsu | .o0( Too bad there is no fence for ebay ;) ) |
| 10:06.25 | cncfanatics | either way, I think I'll still install win for the same being |
| 10:06.32 | cncfanatics | without too much apps it shouldn't run too slow |
| 10:07.20 | cncfanatics | format time I guess |
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| 10:08.31 | SunTsu | Does that count as "famous last words"? |
| 10:08.46 | Thelyna | depends if he comes back or not I guess |
| 10:11.03 | Lukian | sell: $40+ (up to $75 new); buy: 5500, 6600, 6800, $50+ |
| 10:11.06 | Lukian | bah, he left :p |
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| 10:25.44 | nevcairiel | man Orionshock your code sucks. i checked out that revision 197 of your thing there, and it spams errors :P |
| 10:26.07 | Orionshock | i found what i was doing wrong... sorry for posting nevcairiel :P |
| 10:26.32 | nevcairiel | oh well then, /me deletes |
| 10:27.20 | Orionshock | i figured either way i do it i end up with 4 - 3 deep tables of nearly the same info re arranged in to different orders. |
| 10:27.22 | Orionshock | :) |
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| 10:49.12 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 10:49.12 | CIA-8 | - Reordered Hellfire and Zangarmarsh world pvp menus with the new "#factionoutlandPvP#" option |
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| 11:02.43 | CIA-8 | FuBar_PetInfoFu: |
| 11:02.43 | CIA-8 | - updated properties |
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| 11:07.02 | CIA-8 | 03hegarol * r57553 10AtlasLoot/Bossnames/bossnames.en.lua: |
| 11:07.02 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot: |
| 11:07.02 | CIA-8 | - First part of Babble integration into "bossname" files |
| 11:14.47 | CIA-8 | 03roartindon * r57554 10Aloft/Modules/ (ManaBar.lua ManaData.lua): Aloft: Make targets show mana bars |
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| 11:31.17 | CIA-8 | 03celellach * r57555 10AtlasLoot/Bossnames/bossnames.en.lua: |
| 11:31.17 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot: |
| 11:31.17 | CIA-8 | - code cleanup |
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| 11:32.43 | Nickenyfiken | Is there something beside fish that shows wowace changelog? |
| 11:38.15 | Funkeh` | http://cia.vc/stats/project/Ace http://groups.google.com/group/wowace/topics |
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| 11:47.15 | cncfanatics | omg |
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| 11:47.29 | Pkekyo| | g'morning all |
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| 11:48.41 | cncfanatics | anyone experienced with shitware (spyware) removal ? |
| 11:49.07 | Snago | lol, that was quick.. (both installing windows and getting spyware :P) |
| 11:49.37 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 11:49.43 | cncfanatics | first thing I get when I boot windows |
| 11:49.52 | cncfanatics | (this is windows' first boot) |
| 11:50.03 | cncfanatics | long live windows ... |
| 11:53.59 | Nargiddley | what did you do to get spyware that fast oO? |
| 11:54.00 | haste | cncfanatics: anyway, you can use Ad-Aware and Spybot to remove it :p |
| 11:54.11 | vhaarr | if I have to touch a windows box, I always make sure there's Spybot and AVG on it |
| 11:54.19 | cncfanatics | spybot didn't manage to haste |
| 11:54.26 | haste | nod32 is superior to AVG! *runs* |
| 11:54.33 | vhaarr | haste: yeah but it's not free |
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| 11:54.59 | Nargiddley | hijackthis is good for getting rid of things if you know what you're doing |
| 11:55.19 | haste | vhaarr: I still bought 5xlicenses of it |
| 11:55.34 | nevcairiel | i'm using bitdefender now, according to the latest comparisons, its pretty nice |
| 11:55.35 | vhaarr | haste: if I had to use windows I'd buy it as well |
| 11:55.44 | haste | vhaarr: wasn't for myself :p |
| 11:55.51 | vhaarr | haste: parents? |
| 11:56.01 | haste | parents, sisters and a friend |
| 11:56.18 | vhaarr | I replaced my parents windows with ubuntu 2 years ago |
| 11:56.43 | haste | I can't do that (yet) |
| 11:57.00 | Pkekyo| | is there any way to increase the maxdistanse of the camera from the player, even more than the default interface slider? |
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| 11:58.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Pkekyo| yes |
| 11:58.30 | haste | Pkekyo|: /run SetCVar("cameraDistanceMax", 50) -- max you can do without editing the Config.wtf |
| 11:58.30 | CIA-8 | 03andalia * r57556 10/trunk/ (BattleChat/ BattleChat_Buffs/): |
| 11:58.30 | CIA-8 | Deleting Battlechat. |
| 11:58.30 | CIA-8 | Will return soon, rewritten with Ace3 and a new name. |
| 12:00.07 | sag_ich_nicht | /z ConsoleExec(\"cameraDistance 50\"); |
| 12:00.10 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 12:00.15 | sag_ich_nicht | /z ConsoleExec("cameraDistance 50"); |
| 12:00.16 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed |
| 12:00.20 | haste | err? |
| 12:00.21 | sag_ich_nicht | /z ConsoleExec("cameraDistanceMoveSpeed 50"); |
| 12:00.34 | haste | movespeed isn't the max distance |
| 12:00.38 | haste | also wth is z? |
| 12:00.39 | sag_ich_nicht | i know :P |
| 12:00.44 | sag_ich_nicht | /z = /script |
| 12:00.56 | nevcairiel | why not simply /console cameraDistance 50 |
| 12:00.56 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 12:00.56 | sag_ich_nicht | except faster, if you have Ace2 installed :P |
| 12:01.09 | haste | /shrug |
| 12:01.21 | sag_ich_nicht | because you can't copy /console into luaslinger to run when PLAYER_LOGIN fires, duh |
| 12:02.22 | sag_ich_nicht | and movespeed is better when it's high anyway |
| 12:02.26 | sag_ich_nicht | slow camera is baaad :P |
| 12:02.40 | sag_ich_nicht | move your hand slower if you want a slow one 8D |
| 12:06.04 | Pkekyo| | haste: do you have to run that SetCVar every time you play? |
| 12:06.44 | haste | Pkekyo|: nope |
| 12:06.58 | Pkekyo| | sweet :) thanks |
| 12:07.20 | Pkekyo| | what's the default value btw? |
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| 12:09.20 | haste | no idea |
| 12:09.49 | haste | 15.0 |
| 12:09.58 | haste | totally forgot about GetCVarDefault :p |
| 12:14.19 | Fisker- | 1:( Codayus |
| 12:14.20 | Fisker- | :( |
| 12:17.07 | Fisker- | n00b haste |
| 12:17.13 | Fisker- | real men uses teh console |
| 12:17.42 | haste | *monocle* |
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| 12:29.33 | Fisker- | i use the console irl |
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| 12:36.14 | Funkeh` | Fisker-, /console sexmeup ? |
| 12:37.43 | Fisker- | unknown command |
| 12:37.51 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.06 | Funkeh` | uknown anal command |
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| 12:52.48 | Fisker- | your mother Funkeh` |
| 12:55.08 | CIA-8 | 03roartindon * r57557 10Aloft/Modules/ (ManaBar.lua ManaData.lua): Aloft: Made ManaBar for targets show outside of groups |
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| 13:08.39 | Fisker- | oh noes Funkeh` |
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| 13:08.58 | Dezzimal | anyone know if tekkub uses irc? |
| 13:09.12 | Fisker- | tekkub isn't smart enough for that |
| 13:09.14 | Fisker- | but yes |
| 13:09.16 | Fisker- | ~seen tekkub |
| 13:09.17 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5d 6h 43m 32s ago, saying: 'what are you babbling about?'. |
| 13:09.25 | Dezzimal | doh :/ |
| 13:09.34 | Dezzimal | I'm playing through the new 21-23 horde guide with tourguide |
| 13:09.41 | Dezzimal | and just making some notes on it |
| 13:10.03 | haste | Dezzimal: he just pinged out, so he'll probably be back |
| 13:10.21 | Dezzimal | 5 days ago? |
| 13:10.22 | Dezzimal | ok |
| 13:10.31 | haste | nope, 5min ago or so |
| 13:10.37 | haste | guess he doesn't hang here :3 |
| 13:10.39 | Fisker- | ~seen Tekkub |
| 13:10.40 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5d 6h 44m 55s ago, saying: 'what are you babbling about?'. |
| 13:10.45 | Fisker- | weird |
| 13:10.47 | Fisker- | purl is bugged then |
| 13:11.04 | haste | Fisker-: he hasn't been to channel were purl is |
| 13:11.04 | Fisker- | [12:49:07] * +Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 13:11.15 | Fisker- | purl isn't here? :O |
| 13:11.31 | haste | oh wait, I failed to look at the timestamp |
| 13:12.31 | Fisker- | now it's running down like a twist |
| 13:13.07 | haste | I need a name for my key bindings raper |
| 13:13.19 | Fisker- | yourmom |
| 13:13.24 | haste | I could go with oRape, but we saw what happened with BigWigs when rape was used |
| 13:13.34 | Fisker- | oHU? |
| 13:13.41 | haste | wut? |
| 13:13.51 | Fisker- | NoU? |
| 13:14.53 | cncfanatics | haste, how so ? |
| 13:14.58 | cncfanatics | what happened ? :o |
| 13:15.07 | haste | cncfanatics: lots of drama regarding how rape isn't fun |
| 13:15.13 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 13:15.19 | haste | since I wrote "inc tentacle rape party!" in the c'thun module |
| 13:15.38 | cncfanatics | people can't take jokes can they ? I once had someone edit "It doesn't support the persians" out of a wiki page because it was rascist :p |
| 13:15.52 | Xinhuan | is the svn dead |
| 13:15.59 | Xinhuan | i can't connect to dev.wowace.com |
| 13:15.59 | haste | nope |
| 13:16.01 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, no, but you are |
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| 13:16.16 | haste | I can |
| 13:16.31 | cncfanatics | while I think about it |
| 13:16.34 | cncfanatics | I need turtoise svn |
| 13:16.39 | cncfanatics | and vim |
| 13:16.44 | cncfanatics | where do you get vim for windows again |
| 13:16.48 | haste | vim.org |
| 13:17.21 | cncfanatics | gvim for windows* |
| 13:17.24 | haste | vim.org |
| 13:17.39 | haste | http://www.vim.org/download.php#pc |
| 13:17.46 | cncfanatics | btw, running 7 installers at once is a bad idea especialy if one of them is windows xp sp2 |
| 13:17.52 | cncfanatics | but I'm gonna run 9 anyway |
| 13:18.13 | haste | fuck it, oRape it is |
| 13:19.03 | cncfanatics | what does oRape do ? |
| 13:19.41 | cncfanatics | my windows box is not liking all the install programs :( |
| 13:19.44 | Fisker- | i loved "inc tentacle rape party" |
| 13:19.46 | Fisker- | it was awesome |
| 13:19.53 | cncfanatics | agree :p |
| 13:19.56 | Fisker- | kept using them when they became optional |
| 13:20.14 | haste | same, the entire guild was amused when they first saw it |
| 13:20.17 | cncfanatics | why would you not want to use them ? |
| 13:20.18 | haste | made us wipe :D |
| 13:20.23 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 13:20.27 | cncfanatics | haste |
| 13:20.29 | cncfanatics | what does oRape do ?? |
| 13:20.38 | haste | rape key bindings |
| 13:20.46 | Fisker- | i mean if you can't even take a joke about tentacle rape, how did i survive for so long in here without a ban? :O |
| 13:20.47 | haste | regardless of your settings |
| 13:20.55 | haste | basically a actionbar mod, without buttons |
| 13:21.03 | cncfanatics | huh ? |
| 13:21.03 | haste | I _hate_ to manually create macros |
| 13:21.07 | haste | so I'll do it this way |
| 13:21.20 | cncfanatics | so, basicly just something to bind macros/actions to key ? |
| 13:21.21 | haste | cncfanatics: okey.. key bindnigs are hard coded into the addon, based on class + profiles |
| 13:21.25 | haste | yes |
| 13:21.36 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 13:21.38 | cncfanatics | FB ftw tbh :p |
| 13:21.38 | haste | but you need to change zhe code to change stuff |
| 13:21.42 | haste | no |
| 13:21.46 | haste | that's way too large |
| 13:21.53 | cncfanatics | strip out all modules except keybindings ? |
| 13:22.05 | haste | I would still just write this :p |
| 13:22.08 | cncfanatics | :) |
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| 13:22.32 | cncfanatics | damn sp2 takes AGES to install |
| 13:22.52 | nevcairiel | create a cd with sp2 slipstreamed for the next time |
| 13:23.03 | cncfanatics | there will be no next time |
| 13:23.07 | cncfanatics | this is the first & last time I install win :p |
| 13:23.15 | cncfanatics | btw |
| 13:23.17 | nevcairiel | there will always be a next time |
| 13:23.23 | cncfanatics | does anyone know an inkpot style theme for win xp ? |
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| 13:27.00 | cncfanatics | guess not |
| 13:30.09 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r57558 10Cartographer_ExtractGas/addon.lua: Cartographer_ExtractGas: Fix error so that it will start recording nodes again in non-enUS wow clients. |
| 13:32.05 | cncfanatics | oh god, my screen broke 2 days ago |
| 13:32.14 | cncfanatics | and now the upper right corner of this one is turning pink -.- |
| 13:32.26 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:33.11 | cncfanatics | .... |
| 13:33.16 | cncfanatics | causes ? |
| 13:34.42 | nevcairiel | use of an ATI card |
| 13:35.19 | nevcairiel | what do i know, that can have a million causes, probably its just broken |
| 13:35.22 | nevcairiel | (or your card is) |
| 13:35.54 | cncfanatics | YOU are going to look that up for me nevcairiel ! |
| 13:36.24 | nevcairiel | ok, but dont expect any resulst before 2009 |
| 13:36.49 | cncfanatics | I'll ask you again on the 1st jan 2009 :p |
| 13:36.56 | cncfanatics | you pay me 1000 USD if you don't know by then , k ? |
| 13:37.19 | nevcairiel | and you pay me 1000 if i know? :) |
| 13:37.54 | cncfanatics | no :) |
| 13:38.12 | nevcairiel | then no deal :P |
| 13:38.23 | nevcairiel | whats it anyway, CRT or LCD? |
| 13:38.39 | nevcairiel | from the pink turning, my guess is CRT |
| 13:39.37 | Megalon | thou shall not lay solenoids an thee CRT! |
| 13:40.38 | nevcairiel | you can try to slap the screen, if the color changes, your tubes are dying |
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| 13:40.59 | cncfanatics | fixed |
| 13:41.02 | cncfanatics | for now |
| 13:41.07 | cncfanatics | reduced the purity of the upper right screen |
| 13:41.40 | cncfanatics | WHY has the SP2 installation been calculating how much god damn free space it needs on the disk since the fucking last half hour ? |
| 13:41.55 | nevcairiel | probably because you do other stuff too |
| 13:42.11 | cncfanatics | ehm, so, a computer needs over half an hour to calculate something simple ? |
| 13:42.16 | cncfanatics | thats so microsoft windows ... |
| 13:42.53 | nevcairiel | its checking which files will actually be replaced for a real bunch of files |
| 13:43.04 | cncfanatics | yea, for half an hour |
| 13:43.05 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 13:43.06 | nevcairiel | if you do other stuff at the same time, it gets slow |
| 13:43.26 | cncfanatics | gonna cancel it & let TBC finish installing then |
| 13:43.58 | nevcairiel | you should cancel tbc and finish sp2 |
| 13:44.07 | cncfanatics | TBC is at 80% |
| 13:44.11 | cncfanatics | sp2 didn't even start yet |
| 13:44.11 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: Dan't try to judge windows with common sense ;) |
| 13:44.13 | nevcairiel | xp without sp2 = target for all hacks in the net |
| 13:44.20 | cncfanatics | its more time efficient to finish TBC |
| 13:46.17 | Industrial | I hate it that windows continues starting up AFTER logging in |
| 13:46.23 | cncfanatics | same |
| 13:46.35 | cncfanatics | actualy, I hate nearly everything about windows |
| 13:46.47 | Industrial | yeah |
| 13:47.04 | Industrial | I'm attached to explorer (2000 details view etc) |
| 13:47.06 | Industrial | tho |
| 13:47.16 | Industrial | i always miss that in *nix |
| 13:47.37 | cncfanatics | could prolly get an alternative |
| 13:48.23 | cncfanatics | this thread delivers |
| 13:48.23 | cncfanatics | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=286589424&sid=1 |
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| 13:50.11 | nevcairiel | so i've been running karazhan with my lock for the first time yesterday .. i leveld enchanting up to 300 to be able to disenchant everything that drops, but now soulfrost dropped and no other enchanter was around |
| 13:50.18 | nevcairiel | so .. skill enchanting up to learn it .. *shru |
| 13:50.20 | nevcairiel | g |
| 13:51.27 | cncfanatics | hehe |
| 13:51.28 | cncfanatics | owned |
| 13:54.12 | cncfanatics | IMO of all rogues i see 100% of them are rogues. og all locks i see 50% is SL/SL locks. theres the difference NER FREGGIN ROGUES THEY ARE SO @#@!ING EDDIE TEKKEN3 NOOBIES |
| 13:54.16 | cncfanatics | whats wrong with that comment ? |
| 13:54.26 | nevcairiel | its half in caps |
| 13:54.30 | cncfanatics | what else ? |
| 13:55.14 | cncfanatics | am I allowed to post random warlock quotes about rogues in this chan ? |
| 13:55.18 | cncfanatics | I need something to do |
| 13:55.35 | nevcairiel | i dont get the reference from 100% rogues to locks |
| 13:56.50 | cncfanatics | IMO of all rogues I see 100% of them are rogues |
| 13:56.53 | cncfanatics | that part ? : |
| 13:57.14 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: Hm, well, first of all, that comment doesn't make any sense |
| 13:57.30 | cncfanatics | I think the person that posted it wanted to make a point :p |
| 13:58.08 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: Well, then he'd better make a point, but I fail to see any |
| 13:58.17 | cncfanatics | so do I :) |
| 13:59.07 | SunTsu | Well, OK, he is right in that 100% of rogues are rogues, but, d'uh, anybody could have guessed that |
| 13:59.33 | cncfanatics | :) |
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| 14:01.26 | SunTsu | .o0( Well, except on my realm, 50% of rogues think they are "rouges". Some even have that in their name. I never dared to tell them... ) |
| 14:01.44 | chexsum | 0% of rogues are monks |
| 14:02.03 | cncfanatics | on the other hand 14k HP 350-400 resil SL.SL lock feels like a raid boss. |
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| 14:02.11 | cncfanatics | how to raid a lock |
| 14:02.14 | cncfanatics | does anyone still have that ? |
| 14:02.28 | chexsum | i down sl/sl locks as a holy priest |
| 14:02.37 | Arrowmaster | the 40 man outside of ironforge one? |
| 14:02.41 | chexsum | if they dont mana drain they die |
| 14:02.47 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: We have a 500 resilience ret paladin, I wouldn'nt want to mess with him in arena |
| 14:02.54 | cncfanatics | ouch |
| 14:02.59 | cncfanatics | I wouldn't either :p |
| 14:03.00 | cncfanatics | but tbh |
| 14:03.05 | cncfanatics | any class at 500 resi is a raid boss |
| 14:03.15 | chexsum | i actually killed 2 sl/sl locks and 1 of their felhunters the other day |
| 14:03.15 | Xinhuan | except the cap is 492 |
| 14:03.28 | chexsum | its so lame how felhunters get behind you now |
| 14:03.36 | Xinhuan | -crit% is capped at 25% (492) |
| 14:03.37 | nevcairiel | chexsum: cant they just drain themself full against your holy dmg ? :P |
| 14:03.40 | chexsum | i had to cxonstantly spin to kill it |
| 14:03.56 | chexsum | no |
| 14:04.19 | cncfanatics | 492 resi includes a lot of AP tbh |
| 14:04.28 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: Well 8 resilience wasted is not that a great loss |
| 14:04.29 | cncfanatics | thats like full s3 + full bg goodies on other slots |
| 14:04.30 | chexsum | all they can do is curse/drain |
| 14:04.38 | chexsum | everything else is dispelled in a second |
| 14:04.39 | Xinhuan | could have been 120 hp |
| 14:04.46 | Xinhuan | if its a 8 res gem --> 12 stam gem |
| 14:05.01 | chexsum | !c us barthilas chamberlaine |
| 14:05.03 | ThraeBot | chexsum: Chamberlaine, Level 70 Undead Priest (24/37/0). 10271 HP; 9570 Mana; 201 mana regen; 96 mp5; 13 spell crit; 527 +spell dmg; 1389 +heal; 5.14% dodge; 489 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1213 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/28y8nn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33avsm ][ Updated: Thu Dec 27 09:09:06 2007 EST ]] |
| 14:05.08 | chexsum | the lock killer |
| 14:05.16 | cncfanatics | everything kills locks nowadays |
| 14:05.17 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: Well, thanks for the hint anyway, I'll tell him later |
| 14:05.31 | cncfanatics | rogues > locks :) |
| 14:05.45 | chexsum | i should actually get some shadow resist gear again |
| 14:05.57 | chexsum | used to run around with 120 sr at lvl 60 |
| 14:06.22 | nevcairiel | wonder if my lock can solo scholomance .. i need old shards and essences |
| 14:06.44 | Fisker- | what class btw? |
| 14:06.48 | chexsum | my priest solod it at 60 in full hwl gear and shadow spec |
| 14:06.52 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: At level 70 it shouldn't be very hard |
| 14:07.19 | nevcairiel | i can do it with my druid specced feral without a problem |
| 14:07.23 | nevcairiel | never tried with my lock tho =p |
| 14:07.51 | chexsum | dunno how a lock would go at the room with the bats |
| 14:07.57 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Should be as easy if not easier, you can handle masses of mobs easier than with the feral |
| 14:08.11 | cncfanatics | brb reboot |
| 14:08.32 | chexsum | i used to tank scholo every day as shadow spec heh |
| 14:09.18 | chexsum | soloing strat @ 70 would be cool |
| 14:11.01 | chexsum | 500 resilience is awesome |
| 14:11.52 | chexsum | i think id still prefer armor > resilience but its not available |
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| 14:12.12 | SunTsu | chexsum: Armor won't help you against caster, but resilience will |
| 14:12.38 | chexsum | res doesnt help against rogues/warrs |
| 14:12.55 | chexsum | theyll still have 15%+ crit |
| 14:13.10 | nevcairiel | i just noticed a fatal flaw in my plan to get to scholomance, my lock doesnt have a key. stupid alts =P |
| 14:13.26 | chexsum | my worst enemy is shaman then warrior then rogue |
| 14:13.31 | Cheads | =) |
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| 14:13.47 | chexsum | solo the key ? :P |
| 14:13.48 | Xinhuan | hellfire |
| 14:13.49 | Xinhuan | suicide |
| 14:13.53 | Xinhuan | then corpse run thru the door |
| 14:13.54 | chexsum | or that |
| 14:13.55 | Xinhuan | silly :) |
| 14:14.00 | nevcairiel | hmm |
| 14:14.44 | nevcairiel | man the graveyard is far away |
| 14:14.48 | SunTsu | I really love warriors, must be frustrating for them to be pounding me in terror bear form just to see me healing with imp leader of the pack and frencied regeneration |
| 14:15.06 | Xinhuan | the GY is just outside scholo isn't it? |
| 14:15.11 | Xinhuan | or is that only if you die inside scholo |
| 14:15.12 | chexsum | yes |
| 14:15.19 | nevcairiel | probably for only inside scholo |
| 14:15.30 | Xinhuan | i doubt you have a choice |
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| 14:15.34 | Xinhuan | at least you can suicide |
| 14:15.35 | nevcairiel | i died in front of the door, and spawned somewhere around garrons withering |
| 14:15.35 | chexsum | no |
| 14:15.44 | chexsum | you fail then |
| 14:16.18 | nevcairiel | now i even see the other ghosthealer next to scholo :OP |
| 14:16.51 | cncfanatics | OMG |
| 14:16.57 | cncfanatics | the SP2 installation is SAVING now |
| 14:18.48 | Industrial | I like how microsoft uninstallers "configure" my system and take an hour instead of just removing the files |
| 14:18.55 | Industrial | not. |
| 14:19.35 | cncfanatics | yea, I love that too |
| 14:19.44 | cncfanatics | I wonder what they actualy do in that time tbh |
| 14:19.57 | cncfanatics | I could delete files + registery entries faster manualy |
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| 14:20.19 | Lothaer | G'Day |
| 14:20.52 | Lothaer | ~ping ckknight |
| 14:20.52 | purl | pong ckknight |
| 14:21.14 | Fisker- | cncfanatics cannot stop me |
| 14:21.19 | cncfanatics | I guess I can't |
| 14:21.38 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:21.52 | Lothaer | hey can any1 here offer some help for me with Cartographer? |
| 14:22.04 | Lothaer | i have a slight problem with it |
| 14:22.59 | Lothaer | it seems there is no background for it |
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| 14:27.02 | cncfanatics | SP2 is done, rebooting (once again) |
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| 14:37.37 | tjn | is there an addon i can download that's similar to auctioneer |
| 14:37.56 | cncfanatics | auctioneer does its job well, why would you want that N |
| 14:38.00 | tjn | basically, i just want to list items singely |
| 14:38.07 | tjn | i don't want to track everything, i'm too lazy :P |
| 14:39.12 | Dezzimal | I'm not following you here |
| 14:39.20 | Dezzimal | auctioneer does that |
| 14:40.06 | tjn | auctioneer is a big download though |
| 14:40.08 | tjn | and i am capped. |
| 14:40.19 | tjn | it'll take me like an hour to download it :P |
| 14:40.24 | Osstia | big download? |
| 14:40.30 | SunTsu | tjn: I don't get what you are looking for. |
| 14:40.30 | Dezzimal | capped to what? |
| 14:40.38 | Dezzimal | 1200 baud? |
| 14:40.49 | Lukian | Dezzimal, sometimes.. |
| 14:41.14 | cncfanatics | gah |
| 14:41.21 | cncfanatics | 1h20m left till 2.3 is dl'd :( |
| 14:41.28 | Industrial | lolwhat |
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| 14:41.32 | Industrial | its only 870MB |
| 14:41.35 | Dezzimal | you use a.wirebrain.de? |
| 14:41.42 | Osstia | auctioneer classic is 530k |
| 14:41.47 | cncfanatics | filefront atm |
| 14:41.49 | cncfanatics | wirebrain faster I guess ? |
| 14:41.51 | tjn | i'm capped to 6.4 kb/s |
| 14:41.58 | Industrial | o_O |
| 14:42.01 | Dezzimal | you want auctioneer advanced for single item tracking |
| 14:42.03 | nevcairiel | you shall always save patches on your hdd so you can reinstall the game when needed |
| 14:42.05 | tjn | it's slower then dial up. |
| 14:42.09 | tjn | and i'm not even joking. |
| 14:42.13 | Lukian | tjn, 82 seconds then |
| 14:42.14 | Dezzimal | no thats faster than dailup |
| 14:42.23 | Industrial | 2500/200 :P |
| 14:42.27 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, I just reformatted them ? :) |
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| 14:42.34 | Dezzimal | I used to get around 4-5kb/s on my 56k connection |
| 14:42.35 | tjn | normally i have 17000/1000 |
| 14:42.38 | Dezzimal | on a good day |
| 14:42.40 | xyu | me too |
| 14:42.44 | xyu | i had nice lines |
| 14:42.50 | Industrial | tjn: where do you live? |
| 14:43.00 | Lukian | 6.4k is 51.2kbits :p |
| 14:43.08 | Lukian | Industrial, australia! |
| 14:43.15 | Lukian | We went over this yesterday :D |
| 14:43.23 | cncfanatics | 250kb/s from wirebrai.de, ty dezzimal |
| 14:43.45 | SunTsu | tjn: Just explain a little mor verbose what it is that you are looking for |
| 14:44.01 | SunTsu | s/mor/&e/ |
| 14:44.04 | Lukian | "I want a lightweight addon to post auctions in single tacks" |
| 14:44.07 | Lukian | stacks* |
| 14:44.17 | Lukian | tjn, that about it? :) |
| 14:44.24 | tjn | basically, i want an addon that will split stacks to single items. |
| 14:44.37 | tjn | i don't need to track or monitor for the average value of items. |
| 14:44.47 | tjn | i just want it to split stacks and list the single items in one click. |
| 14:44.50 | SunTsu | tjn: OK, I just know addons that do it the other way around |
| 14:44.52 | tjn | basically - i am lazy. |
| 14:45.18 | cncfanatics | addons are written by lazy people for lazy people tbh :p |
| 14:46.56 | Lukian | good point! tjn, write your own, it'll save you bandwidth :p |
| 14:47.07 | cncfanatics | haha |
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| 14:51.27 | tjn | how come auctioneer classic is larger then auctioneer advanced? |
| 14:51.31 | tjn | that doesn't really make sense. |
| 14:51.41 | tjn | or do you need auctioneer classic to run auctioneer advanced? |
| 14:52.49 | Xinhuan | no, they are 2 separate addons and can run independantly/together |
| 14:52.54 | tjn | lukian, i wouldn't know the first thing to do when it comes to running addons. |
| 14:53.08 | tjn | so, what's the difference between classic and advanced? |
| 14:53.14 | tjn | they have pretty much the same description |
| 14:53.33 | Xinhuan | one is ... more advanced, better, faster, more features |
| 14:54.20 | tjn | i'm downloading at 3.6 KB/sec woo! |
| 14:55.08 | [Ammo] | 960kb/s |
| 14:55.11 | [Ammo] | pewpew |
| 15:00.38 | Twist- | tjn: and you play wow on this connection? |
| 15:01.04 | [Ammo] | wow needs barely any bandwith |
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| 15:02.46 | Xinhuan | wow needs around 8kb/sec in a 25 man raid |
| 15:02.50 | Xinhuan | a bit more in a 40-man raid |
| 15:03.02 | SunTsu | [Ammo]: Right, I always am astonished how little bandwidth WoW need, my Cacti hardly shows any difference |
| 15:03.52 | Twist- | It could rightly be considered a very active irc connection |
| 15:03.55 | Xinhuan | hmm is there a reason why Cartographer_Notes can't specify the alpha transparency of the minimap icons it shows in the minimap? |
| 15:04.07 | Fisker- | advanced is better as far as i am concerned |
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| 15:04.41 | sdouble | I agree. I believe advanced was going to be the new auctioneer, but people complained so they have just been keeping classic working |
| 15:04.49 | sdouble | though they make no improvements to it |
| 15:04.57 | deltron | auctioneer advanced is really nice |
| 15:05.24 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 15:05.26 | Matrix110 | i wonder when the complete scan gets reintroduced though |
| 15:05.29 | Fisker- | this auction has a higher bid than the buyout |
| 15:06.02 | sdouble | Matrix110: I believe with 2.3.2, blizzard fixed their problem |
| 15:06.27 | sdouble | so when that goes live, so will a new auctioneer with the single pull |
| 15:06.46 | deltron | I thought they had it already? |
| 15:07.02 | deltron | I could have sworn it works with auc advanced |
| 15:07.09 | deltron | scans take like 3 minutes |
| 15:07.35 | Chompers | no delay on pressing search |
| 15:07.37 | sdouble | yeah, blizzard just shortened the delay between searches/pages |
| 15:07.38 | Chompers | thats why its faster |
| 15:07.46 | sdouble | the single pull crashed the client |
| 15:07.46 | Fisker- | deltron it would be instant without |
| 15:07.52 | sdouble | so they removed it temporarily |
| 15:07.56 | deltron | oh, so it's not doing the full download |
| 15:07.57 | Fisker- | or with it |
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| 15:08.20 | SunTsu | I can't wait for 2.3.2, ravage gets upped from 350% bonus to 385% bonus. Great. Even now after using ravage I see Omen's 90% warning... |
| 15:08.37 | Fisker- | l2resto |
| 15:08.54 | sdouble | heh |
| 15:09.04 | SunTsu | Fisker-: My guild wouldn't like that - me neither ;) |
| 15:09.39 | Fisker- | your mother would though :O |
| 15:09.52 | sdouble | I've beena tanking paladin all the way to 62 and I just respecced ret/holy. I was waiting and waiting for righteous fury to not take half my mana |
| 15:09.56 | sdouble | but now it won't matter |
| 15:09.59 | SunTsu | Fisker-: Maybe, if she knew what the hell I was talking about |
| 15:10.03 | Twist- | L2 eat chips for 10 seconds before attacking? |
| 15:10.26 | Twist- | Chips are fantastic for reducing threat. |
| 15:10.38 | sdouble | I use sunflower seeds |
| 15:11.13 | SunTsu | Twist-: So it just makes me wait longer, great change ;) |
| 15:11.27 | sdouble | get some better chips |
| 15:11.30 | deltron | I finally hit 60 on my alt hunter |
| 15:11.41 | SunTsu | deltron: congratulations |
| 15:11.52 | deltron | i'm so broke on my main now though :P |
| 15:12.13 | deltron | but he's riding around in style on an orange raptor like my main :P |
| 15:12.43 | Industrial | orange? blue! |
| 15:12.50 | SunTsu | deltron: I know what you are talking about ;) Since 2.3 I mostly raided with my main and leveled my alts. by now I am nearly broke ;) |
| 15:15.04 | deltron | lol yeah that too |
| 15:15.14 | deltron | but last night I actually made money raiding BT |
| 15:15.19 | deltron | but lost money raiding ZA :/ |
| 15:15.38 | Matrix110 | i died 18times in our last ZA run others died like max twice.... |
| 15:16.15 | deltron | lol |
| 15:16.20 | CIA-8 | 03peragor * r57559 10GridStatusHealer/GridStatusHealer.lua: |
| 15:16.20 | CIA-8 | GridStatusHealer: |
| 15:16.20 | CIA-8 | - Adjusted default colors to make the difference between First and Second priority more evident |
| 15:16.20 | CIA-8 | - Lower priority for AFK members |
| 15:16.20 | CIA-8 | - Added pet support (I've started using Jerry's Pets in Grid build - http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Grid/jerry/Grid ) |
| 15:16.25 | deltron | I died about 10 times last night |
| 15:16.56 | deltron | last night I died, ankhed up, died again, got a battle rez, died promptly after that |
| 15:16.59 | deltron | all on one fight :( |
| 15:17.10 | Matrix110 | you cant beat this |
| 15:17.14 | Matrix110 | Rage Winterchilll |
| 15:17.19 | Matrix110 | Shaman gets Ice thingy dies |
| 15:17.20 | Matrix110 | Ankh |
| 15:17.26 | Matrix110 | 0,1sec later Ice thingy dies |
| 15:17.30 | Matrix110 | Combat Ressed |
| 15:17.36 | Matrix110 | 2sec later Ice thingy |
| 15:17.38 | Matrix110 | dies |
| 15:17.39 | Matrix110 | :P |
| 15:17.56 | Fisker- | btw |
| 15:17.57 | Matrix110 | he didnt accept the next combat ress |
| 15:18.05 | Fisker- | why doesn't jerry commit to the grid trunk instead? |
| 15:18.09 | Fisker- | we have no maintainers anyways |
| 15:18.33 | Matrix110 | i think pastamancer locked the folder |
| 15:18.37 | deltron | Matrix110: that's happened to me so many times during my raiding career lol |
| 15:18.38 | Matrix110 | but not sure |
| 15:19.02 | deltron | my off-spec gear needs to drop too lol |
| 15:19.20 | Matrix110 | at SSC times Shamans had some fun @ Lurker |
| 15:19.23 | Matrix110 | Water walking |
| 15:19.26 | Matrix110 | then ressing people |
| 15:19.35 | Matrix110 | (when Lurker wasnt down) |
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| 15:20.28 | deltron | I miss the whole OOC rezzing that we used to do in MC back in the day |
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| 15:20.48 | nevcairiel | that was so stupid |
| 15:21.01 | Twist- | Yeah |
| 15:21.09 | Twist- | I remember having engineers in raids too. |
| 15:21.12 | Matrix110 | ooc ressing at Flamegor or whatever the 1st dragon was called was so funny |
| 15:21.31 | Matrix110 | at somepoint our ooc resser whispers me: " Can XYZ STOP dieing iam oom" |
| 15:21.46 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:21.47 | deltron | we still have 1 raiding engineer |
| 15:21.48 | Matrix110 | He died 9times at him:P |
| 15:21.55 | Twist- | One guild I was in at the time required all rogues and hunters to have engineering for cables. |
| 15:22.11 | Ozguli` | lol. |
| 15:22.16 | Ozguli` | that's hardcore |
| 15:22.22 | deltron | I'm thinking about doing engineering on my hunter for the arrows |
| 15:22.35 | Matrix110 | Well our first Nefarian kill is i would say best Recover possible:P |
| 15:22.50 | Matrix110 | Nef flamed the whole raid twice 20ppl died |
| 15:22.52 | SunTsu | I one had a standup mage in slave pens. He had the card set that allowed him to rezz himself and a working rezz cable. 'twas great |
| 15:22.54 | deltron | lol |
| 15:22.55 | Twist- | Serious. Comedy. |
| 15:22.59 | Matrix110 | then short after another 10 died |
| 15:23.11 | deltron | twisting nether was awesome |
| 15:23.17 | Matrix110 | but we managed to get ~15ppl up with Darkmoon trinket/combat ress/eng cables |
| 15:23.25 | Twist- | My mage is still an engineer, as is our raid leader.. and I think that's it. |
| 15:23.50 | Twist- | I get so much milage out of invis->cableres |
| 15:24.14 | deltron | sucks you can't FD and drink anymore |
| 15:24.15 | Ozguli` | but... vanish doesn't work all that often |
| 15:24.16 | Twist- | I just wish invis was useful in raids. |
| 15:24.50 | Twist- | right.. you should be able to break invis by drinking. |
| 15:24.50 | deltron | it's good for going all out, then invis for 20 secs and going all-out again |
| 15:25.24 | Matrix110 | invis fails:P |
| 15:25.24 | deltron | Ozguli`: my buddy that i've been raiding with has been complaining about vanish for years |
| 15:25.27 | Ozguli` | doesn't inv drop threat? |
| 15:25.31 | Matrix110 | it does |
| 15:25.33 | deltron | yeah Ozguli` |
| 15:25.42 | Matrix110 | but its useless like always:P |
| 15:25.43 | Twist- | It's kind of pointless to do that on most fights.. if you just wait the length of the invis cast before starting, you wont' catch the tank anyway |
| 15:26.04 | Ozguli` | depends on the tank etc |
| 15:26.13 | deltron | our MT is so awesome |
| 15:26.29 | Twist- | The only time I make use of it is when things go pear-shaped and we have to switch tanks mid-fight |
| 15:26.42 | CIA-8 | 03ananhaid * r57560 10GlowFoSho/ (GlowFoSho.toc Locale-zhCN.lua): |
| 15:26.42 | CIA-8 | GlowFoSho: |
| 15:26.42 | CIA-8 | - zhCN add. |
| 15:27.26 | Twist- | I pop it when the tank goes splat, and the boss starts one-shotting warlocks |
| 15:27.31 | Lukian | kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 15:27.31 | Lukian | iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil |
| 15:27.34 | Lukian | sorry, cat |
| 15:27.35 | Osstia | vanish has always been broken |
| 15:27.38 | Matrix110 | then the fight is most likely over anyway |
| 15:28.01 | Matrix110 | invis is only good to avoid repairs |
| 15:28.02 | Ozguli` | twist what about the rogues? |
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| 15:28.18 | Ozguli` | they're melee and have 90-109% of tank's threat |
| 15:29.04 | chiper | invis has saved my ass many a time, but that 5 second interruptable period blows |
| 15:29.24 | chiper | it's only there so the PvPers dont bitch |
| 15:29.31 | chiper | fucking whiners |
| 15:30.14 | Osstia | my mage is 63, I can't wait to play with invis |
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| 15:30.22 | Twist- | Ozguli`: a couple of our ranged guys do a disproportionate amount of overall raid damage. |
| 15:30.31 | Matrix110 | its useless for normal leveling Osstia |
| 15:30.35 | chiper | Osstia: you're gonna love icelance too |
| 15:30.48 | Matrix110 | Icelance is the only good new addition we got |
| 15:30.57 | Matrix110 | oh and the Minibar |
| 15:30.59 | chiper | Matrix110: not completely, if you're able to blink out of melee range |
| 15:31.49 | Twist- | Icelance is just fun to spam while running around. |
| 15:31.54 | chiper | icelance + slow makes kiting so much easier |
| 15:32.37 | chiper | twist: I've used it some times when my mana has died up and everything is on cooldown. mana regen sometimes is high enough that I can keep firing off lances |
| 15:33.29 | cncfanatics | you realize that icelance's DPM is the lowest ingame when not frozen right ? |
| 15:33.36 | chiper | *nod* |
| 15:33.45 | chiper | but it beats standing around like a post |
| 15:33.50 | Osstia | haha |
| 15:33.54 | cncfanatics | no it doesn't when you can wait 2 secs for a frostbolt |
| 15:34.42 | chiper | if I got that much mana back in 2 seconds I wouldnt need to use lance |
| 15:34.44 | Osstia | but you can't annoy the piss out of a holy priest by spamming frostbolts in PvP |
| 15:34.58 | Osstia | the sound alone makes my ears bleed some nights |
| 15:35.09 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 15:35.09 | Twist- | Chiper: you really want to scorch in that situation |
| 15:35.18 | chiper | twist: yeah, I do that too |
| 15:35.20 | cncfanatics | and Twist-, indeed, I was about to say that |
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| 15:37.11 | Osstia | I want to see if I can have a frame with lines of text, and when you shift+click the lines of text, something happens. is that possible? and if so, what kind of frame and text would I be working with? |
| 15:38.30 | vithos | deltron: on my server, the vendor arrows are cheaper and better than the engineering ones |
| 15:39.53 | cncfanatics | vithos, if they're better, that will be on all servers :p |
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| 15:40.25 | vithos | well yeah, i meant the cheaper part on my server's AH |
| 15:40.58 | cncfanatics | thats weird though |
| 15:41.04 | cncfanatics | I think engi ones are suposed to be better |
| 15:41.36 | Twist- | *sigh* reinventing existing addons sort of crushes your will to live. |
| 15:41.39 | Osstia | Which vendor arrows are better? |
| 15:41.50 | Osstia | Twist- ?? |
| 15:41.57 | Twist- | guild is still tracking raid loot/hours on a spreadsheet. |
| 15:42.03 | Twist- | luddites, all of them. |
| 15:42.10 | Twist- | *fixfix* |
| 15:43.02 | vithos | timeless arrows (hyjal rep) 53 dps; mysterious arrows (kara rep) 46.5 dps; adamantite stinger 43 dps |
| 15:43.08 | Twist- | The point system is sufficiently different from any existing DKP system to render every tracking addon I've seen useless though. |
| 15:43.10 | cncfanatics | hyjal rep |
| 15:43.12 | cncfanatics | ok, now I get it |
| 15:43.14 | vrak | the engi arrows are the best blue arrows |
| 15:43.17 | cncfanatics | BoP too I think ? |
| 15:43.27 | vithos | the kara rep arrows are also better than the engineering ones |
| 15:43.47 | vithos | i use the kara ones even though i have access to the hyjal ones, because they're half the price |
| 15:44.00 | cncfanatics | should use hyjal ones for bosses tbh |
| 15:44.22 | vithos | i should, but i wouldn't remember to switch |
| 15:44.38 | cncfanatics | addons can switch for you |
| 15:44.54 | Polarina | Where I get the Hyjal ones? |
| 15:44.56 | vithos | hmm.. i guess closetgnome_bigwigs |
| 15:45.03 | deltron | I want to get the engineering arrows |
| 15:45.12 | deltron | but I'd have to level engineering |
| 15:45.33 | vithos | Polarina: there are specialty arrow vendors in shat now, but you have to have the rep from raiding hyjal |
| 15:45.51 | Polarina | Oh... |
| 15:46.06 | Polarina | What about Adamentite Stinger? |
| 15:46.15 | vithos | those are the engineering ones |
| 15:46.37 | Polarina | Could you link me the required materials? |
| 15:47.08 | vrak | they're quite cheap to make |
| 15:47.40 | vrak | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=20475 |
| 15:47.40 | vithos | 4 simple wood + 2 adamantite ore + 4 fel iron ore = 1000 arrows |
| 15:47.47 | Lukian | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=6.2#0-3+1 |
| 15:48.12 | Polarina | Adamentite Arrow Maker? How does that thing work? |
| 15:48.29 | Lukian | 5 charges |
| 15:48.33 | nevcairiel | it makes arrows, dont ask how, just take the arrows =P |
| 15:48.35 | Lukian | 200 each |
| 15:48.36 | Fisker- | i want the white snow |
| 15:48.47 | Polarina | :D |
| 15:49.43 | vithos | is there a bot in here that does math? |
| 15:49.53 | cncfanatics | the arrowmaker can explode |
| 15:49.54 | cncfanatics | LOL |
| 15:49.59 | cncfanatics | typical |
| 15:50.32 | Fisker- | wood, booze and fire doesn't go well |
| 15:50.33 | Polarina | It can? |
| 15:52.08 | vithos | according to wowhead's AH prices for the mats, it costs 0.88304g per stack of engineering arrows. mysterious arrows are 1g/stack, but with the exalted discount they're 0.8g/stack, and they have 3.5 more dps |
| 15:52.46 | deltron | assuming you have the rep |
| 15:52.48 | Fisker- | also your mother |
| 15:52.54 | Fisker- | what rep is that btw? |
| 15:52.56 | vithos | it's kara rep, who doesn't have kara rep :( |
| 15:53.01 | Fisker- | lulz |
| 15:53.03 | sag_ich_nicht | you could also get the cenarion arrows |
| 15:53.03 | Fisker- | definitely |
| 15:53.17 | Fisker- | everyone AND THEIR MOTHER is exalted with the violet eye |
| 15:53.25 | sag_ich_nicht | they are better than the white ones and worse than the kara ones |
| 15:53.26 | Fisker- | even your mother sag_ich_nicht |
| 15:53.26 | FinalX | my mom's mom is too |
| 15:53.41 | sag_ich_nicht | i've been exalted with violet eye since like forever |
| 15:53.45 | vithos | if the arrow maker went in quiver slots, i might think about keeping a few with me |
| 15:54.02 | vithos | but it doesn't, so the whole "but it saves you bag slots!!!" argument doesn't really work |
| 15:54.27 | vithos | so blizzard *almost* gave engineers something useful |
| 15:54.32 | chexsum | i pity the fools that buy arrows |
| 15:54.37 | SunTsu | vithos: Well, It doesn't take up the space of "4 simple wood + 2 adamantite ore + 4 fel iron ore" ;) |
| 15:54.40 | sag_ich_nicht | in b4 bullets |
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| 15:58.04 | vithos | i don't think my bristleblitz striker will fire bullets :( |
| 15:58.19 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't need bullets. i don't need arrows. |
| 15:58.25 | sag_ich_nicht | i just bring you a storm. |
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| 16:01.16 | sag_ich_nicht | for I wield THE STORMHERALD. AND WITH THE SOUND OF A THOUSAND DRUMS, THE DEEP THUNDER OF THE NETHERSTORM WILL CRACKLE AS I BRING THE JUSTICE OF THE SILVER HAND ONTO THE FOOL KAEL'THAS, FOR HE SHALL BE VANQUINISHED WITH RIGHTEOUS FURY. ...okay that was enough RP for today, time to login. |
| 16:01.33 | CIA-8 | 03xbeeps 07LibHealComm-3.0 * r57561 10LibHealComm-3.0/LibHealComm-3.0.lua: |
| 16:01.33 | CIA-8 | LibHealComm-3.0: |
| 16:01.33 | CIA-8 | - Efficiency fixes and minor bugfixes |
| 16:02.36 | Lukian | vithos, those arrows are awesome for use until you are level 70 and have Violet Eye rep. |
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| 16:05.11 | CIA-8 | 03xbeeps 07Ace3 * r57562 10VisualHeal/ (VisualHeal.lua VisualHealBar.xml): |
| 16:05.11 | CIA-8 | VisualHeal: |
| 16:05.11 | CIA-8 | - Efficiency fixes and minor bugfixes |
| 16:05.11 | CIA-8 | - Pruned VisualHealUtils.lua |
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| 16:16.22 | Klazar | howdy ho ho ho... PitBull, cant see, to find where to turn off the <player frame> fade so its on all the time. <players pet> frame is on all the time default install, compared all the settings and they are the same so im stumped. anyidea much appreciated. |
| 16:16.59 | chexsum | combat fading |
| 16:17.04 | chexsum | i disable that module |
| 16:17.54 | Klazar | ok i tried that, let me try that again, might need to save and log, ive all these mods open for awhile |
| 16:21.28 | chexsum | its under Other/CombatFader in each frame settings also |
| 16:22.10 | chexsum | i think it gets in the way of the rnaage chacking so dont like it |
| 16:24.40 | kadrahil | yeah, it gets in the way of range checking |
| 16:24.51 | kadrahil | which is why it makes the pet frame and focus frame blink constantly for me |
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| 16:29.14 | Aeyan | Roart updated Aloft. The horror, the horror... |
| 16:33.49 | Zhinjio | Good morning, folks. |
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| 16:34.28 | Klazar | still not getting player frame to stay solid. player target will stay solid. and yea whats with focus targets blinking? can that be turned off? |
| 16:35.33 | Klazar | turned off other/combat fade in player frame |
| 16:35.57 | Fisker- | hai |
| 16:36.07 | Klazar | also checked in allunits/ |
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| 16:41.09 | [Liq] | evening all |
| 16:42.20 | Klazar | *solved* uncheck combat fader under Pitbull/Modules |
| 16:43.19 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 16:44.08 | chexsum | good |
| 16:46.14 | Klazar | ok this kind of a dumb question but i cant find a checkbox to put Pitbull on my fubar toolbar for quick access |
| 16:46.47 | durcyn | that's because there's no longer a fubar module |
| 16:46.54 | durcyn | alt-click a frame to bring up the rockconfig dialog |
| 16:47.04 | Twist- | or do /rock |
| 16:47.11 | Klazar | ahhh kk |
| 16:47.21 | vithos | it's alt+right click i believe |
| 16:47.23 | SunTsu | Klazar: Why would you want it? You normally can reach the configuration dialogue over the frames |
| 16:48.36 | Klazar | i havent locvked anything down yet im setting everyting up new for each of my profiles so im learning Pitbull at the same time trying to play. |
| 16:49.04 | Klazar | switching from ag_ui |
| 16:49.32 | Fin | is there a way of getting a list of all hostile units within range without the user having to interact with the mod? |
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| 16:58.17 | Osstia | I want to see if I can have a frame with lines of text, and when you shift+click the lines of text, something happens. is that possible? and if so, what kind of frame and text would I be working with? |
| 16:59.42 | Ellipsis | you could do that with a tablet |
| 17:04.02 | Shirik | you could make a custom link |
| 17:04.17 | Shirik | and then in the link handler, use IsShiftKeyPressed() |
| 17:04.53 | Fin | apparently there is not a way to automatically generate a list of all hostile units within range, for the record |
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| 17:05.46 | durcyn | only if they're targetted by a group member or targetted/mousedover by player, Fin |
| 17:06.02 | xyu | there used to be, ^^ |
| 17:06.17 | xyu | back in the wild west of addons days! |
| 17:06.20 | chiper | fin: I believe that's intentional. I seem to recall bliz saying that such a thing would let people just run around waiting for a named target to show up |
| 17:06.26 | Shirik | not since like... 1.6... |
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| 17:06.42 | xyu | yeah there was an awesome addon called "Radar" that made a list of enemies that were targetable |
| 17:06.46 | xyu | whenever they performed an action |
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| 17:06.52 | Fin | oh, yeah, makes total sense to me |
| 17:07.09 | Fin | just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything :) |
| 17:07.15 | xyu | it was great for AV back in the days of zerg |
| 17:08.18 | Fin | I think I tried that out thinking it would be awesome, and ended up realising I don't give a shit what everyone else is doing |
| 17:08.36 | Fin | not that it's not still a nice idea |
| 17:08.37 | xyu | it doens't show what they do, it just generates a list of targetable enemies |
| 17:08.42 | Shirik | Osstia: Did you see what I said? |
| 17:08.44 | xyu | so what i'd do is hide at stormpike GY |
| 17:08.49 | xyu | and target people through the walls |
| 17:08.49 | Fin | hmm |
| 17:08.50 | xyu | on my mage |
| 17:09.06 | xyu | not walls, but that big hill there |
| 17:09.12 | durcyn | eh, it was kind of nice for smartassist / perfecttargets, fin |
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| 17:12.58 | Osstia | I was actually afk for a sec, lemme read back |
| 17:13.13 | CIA-8 | 03xbeeps 07LibHealComm-3.0 * r57563 10LibHealComm-3.0/LibHealComm-3.0.lua: |
| 17:13.13 | CIA-8 | LibHealComm-3.0: |
| 17:13.13 | CIA-8 | - Bump revision (attempt...) |
| 17:13.39 | Osstia | about the custom link, and then the linkHandler |
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| 17:15.54 | vithos | ~seen Xinhuan |
| 17:16.16 | purl | xinhuan is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowhead #wowace #wowwiki. Has said a total of 724 messages. Is idling for 2h 12m 21s, last said: 'hmm is there a reason why Cartographer_Notes can't specify the alpha transparency of the minimap icons it shows in the minimap?'. |
| 17:16.17 | Xinhuan | here |
| 17:16.17 | thul | ~seen santa claus |
| 17:16.18 | purl | i haven't seen 'santa claus', thul |
| 17:16.24 | vithos | hey. i'm trying out the waypoints feature of routes, and it keeps stopping on its own |
| 17:16.46 | Xinhuan | can you explain what "stopping on its own" means more clearly? |
| 17:17.09 | xyu | stopping time itself |
| 17:17.11 | vithos | it'll work for a while, but eventually it doesn't queue up the next waypoint once i hit one |
| 17:17.33 | Xinhuan | i suspect you have a corrupted route |
| 17:17.43 | vithos | hmm.. i just made the route this session |
| 17:17.58 | Xinhuan | try to do a optimize on it now |
| 17:18.00 | Xinhuan | see if it errors |
| 17:18.20 | vithos | no error |
| 17:18.29 | vithos | although.. the route got longer |
| 17:18.38 | vithos | oh, it got an extra node |
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| 17:18.52 | Osstia | Ellipsis whats a tablet? |
| 17:19.08 | Xinhuan | is there a specific node it will stop at |
| 17:19.12 | Xinhuan | the waypoints that is |
| 17:19.17 | vithos | i herbed a nightmare vine that wasn't on my map (not in _data) |
| 17:19.32 | vithos | i'll go back and see if it stops on the same one |
| 17:19.40 | Xinhuan | or does it occur only if you stop to harvest something |
| 17:20.06 | vithos | well, the waypoint disappears and a new one doesn't appear while i'm still flying |
| 17:20.50 | Xinhuan | did you only update _Routes |
| 17:21.05 | vithos | hmm. nope, it didn't stop the waypoints on the same node the second time i went through it |
| 17:21.14 | Xinhuan | because you also need the corresponding update i did to Waypoints |
| 17:21.24 | vithos | i updated all |
| 17:21.33 | vithos | i'll check again and make sure everything is current |
| 17:21.34 | Xinhuan | see if you can find any pattern to it |
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| 17:22.08 | Xinhuan | at the moment, i only add the next waypoint to the queue if the current one being removed is the current node in the database |
| 17:22.14 | Xinhuan | i could obviously remove this check |
| 17:22.20 | Xinhuan | and it will always add the next node |
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| 17:22.42 | vithos | everything's up to date. i'll keep going and see if it happens again. right now the only thing i can figure is that _herbalism adding a new nightmare vine to the db did it |
| 17:23.06 | Xinhuan | that could be it |
| 17:23.12 | Xinhuan | in fact, that is likely to be the cause |
| 17:23.26 | Xinhuan | because the route is stored in a format from node 1 to node N |
| 17:23.32 | Xinhuan | where i store the coordinate |
| 17:23.51 | Xinhuan | lets say you have node 20 being the next waypoint |
| 17:23.54 | vithos | so that check you mentioned failed because the node numbers were changed? |
| 17:24.18 | Xinhuan | when you reach waypoint 20, and it removes node 20 from the queue, i check if node 20's coord is equal to node 20 in the route |
| 17:24.23 | Xinhuan | if it is, i add node 21 |
| 17:24.25 | Xinhuan | to the queue |
| 17:24.36 | Xinhuan | if you inserted a node between 20 and 21 |
| 17:24.45 | Xinhuan | then the new node would be 20 |
| 17:24.49 | Xinhuan | so the check fails |
| 17:25.00 | vithos | makes sense |
| 17:25.20 | Xinhuan | the only solution i can think would be to compare every node in the route vs the one that got removed |
| 17:25.34 | Xinhuan | removed meaning the waypointed coordinate |
| 17:26.04 | Osstia | Ellipsis i googled, and answered my own question on the tablet. thanks |
| 17:26.39 | Xinhuan | because when you insert/delete a new node, the route can change slightly |
| 17:28.16 | vithos | it just happened again; the node i just herbed got a duplicate node added nearly in the exact same place |
| 17:28.41 | Xinhuan | so its a new node insertion right? |
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| 17:28.46 | vithos | yeah |
| 17:28.55 | Xinhuan | harvesting an existing node doesn't break it? |
| 17:29.34 | vithos | well, this was an existing node, but it added a new node anyway for some reason |
| 17:29.40 | vithos | maybe because i don't have _cleanup installed? |
| 17:29.57 | Nickenyfiken | You were not close enough |
| 17:30.51 | thul | i want BeOS |
| 17:30.53 | thul | zeta |
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| 17:31.31 | vithos | looks like about 0.2 coordinate-units off |
| 17:32.00 | vithos | but i guess i'd have to dig through the SV's to find the stored coordinates |
| 17:32.00 | Xinhuan | the algo only deletes nodes that are within a radius of 10 yards |
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| 17:34.15 | Xinhuan | hmm alright, it does appear that i was correct, the only way i can fix it is to check the removed waypoint coord with the entire route |
| 17:39.16 | Fisker- | how can you mine outside a 10 yard radius |
| 17:40.37 | vithos | well if it's a 5yd range, maybe the note was added at max range from the opposite side that i used |
| 17:40.54 | vithos | and it is 5 yards |
| 17:41.29 | Xinhuan | i just confirmed the bug, inserting a node or deleting a node will screw it up |
| 17:42.00 | vithos | hmm.. just happened again, but this time i don't see a new node |
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| 17:42.31 | Xinhuan | i'll do a fix now to loop through the entire route to check every node's coord vs the one that got removed from waypoints |
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| 17:42.43 | Xinhuan | see if it works for you after that, you'll be on for a while yes? |
| 17:42.52 | vithos | yes |
| 17:43.23 | vithos | hmm.. there was no new node, but there's 2 nodes within waypoint-hit-distance |
| 17:43.42 | vithos | which i increased to 80 yards |
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| 17:45.50 | chiper | hmm, someone should adapt gatherer's HUD mode to create a waypointing addon |
| 17:46.22 | chiper | track party/raid member locations as well |
| 17:46.27 | chiper | yes, I rather like this idea |
| 17:47.07 | vithos | i haven't used gatherer in forever, can you link a screenshot? |
| 17:48.47 | chiper | I can give you video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8efcDxypVbY |
| 17:49.07 | Fin | no don't give us a video |
| 17:49.10 | Fin | give us a screenshot |
| 17:49.14 | chiper | lol |
| 17:49.17 | Fin | please? |
| 17:49.38 | chiper | that's what came up first on google, looking for a screenshot |
| 17:51.02 | chiper | http://www.waysoftheronin.org/screenshots/scott/gathererHud.jpg |
| 17:51.12 | chiper | tho a still doesnt do it justice |
| 17:51.56 | vithos | hmm.. looks better suited for your suggestion than actual gathering professions |
| 17:52.09 | vithos | since it can't display the minimap tracker |
| 17:52.18 | chiper | actually it does |
| 17:52.28 | Fin | see, that's what screenshots are for |
| 17:52.44 | Fin | to let you know whether the movie's worth downloading or not :) |
| 17:53.07 | Fin | ta |
| 17:53.10 | chiper | when you get within range for it to pick up on a tracked node, the hud highlites it |
| 17:53.42 | Fin | I have wanted something like that for a very very long time |
| 17:54.20 | Fin | I actually went to great lengths to describe something similar - although my idea was having the minimap blown up and semi-transparent in the main area of the screen |
| 17:54.32 | Fin | they've just angled it down a bit, and woo, awesomeness |
| 17:54.42 | Killmore | I have that :\ |
| 17:54.45 | Killmore | hate* |
| 17:54.48 | Fin | where's the main site? |
| 17:54.56 | Killmore | love carto route |
| 17:54.59 | chiper | gathereraddon.com |
| 17:55.04 | Fin | danke |
| 17:55.21 | Fin | aha, it's norganna |
| 17:55.22 | vithos | hmm.. how can the hud show tracker blips? i didn't think it was possible to get coords from them |
| 17:55.51 | chiper | they also have a gatherables DB you can download that pulls its data from wowhead |
| 17:56.12 | vithos | as does cartographer (cartographer_data) |
| 17:56.57 | vithos | but if the minimap blips are accessible, then why not use those to add to the db rather than doing it when herbing |
| 17:56.58 | chiper | the times I've tried cartographer I wasnt impressed, but then again I wanted gatherer :P |
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| 18:07.16 | Xinhuan | chiper, nothing beats Cartographer_Routes for farming stuff :D |
| 18:07.53 | vithos | indeed. |
| 18:07.55 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp.jpg was a screenshot i took yesterday |
| 18:08.01 | vithos | i wouldn't give up _routes for that hud |
| 18:08.23 | Xinhuan | that linked nodes together on cartographer's map for efficient farming of ore, herbs, treasure, fishing, gas, blah |
| 18:08.37 | chiper | ah |
| 18:08.47 | haste | you need more fubar plugins D: |
| 18:08.53 | chiper | lol |
| 18:08.57 | Xinhuan | that route on the minimap consists of just felweed and some stuff i think |
| 18:09.07 | JoshBorke | Xinhuan: grats on Scarab Lord |
| 18:09.13 | JoshBorke | Xinhuan: gief Ace2 Carto_Routes |
| 18:09.35 | vithos | jesus, 476 days played |
| 18:09.35 | Xinhuan | lol wasted my effort typing a reply |
| 18:11.05 | chiper | vithos: who, you? |
| 18:11.13 | vithos | no. xinhaun |
| 18:11.25 | chiper | where is that in the screenshot? |
| 18:11.48 | vithos | in the chat frame |
| 18:12.05 | Daem | that's crazy |
| 18:12.18 | chiper | eesh, I look at that three times I still missed it |
| 18:12.47 | chiper | 169 days since you hit 70... when did BC come out again? |
| 18:13.37 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan * r57564 10Cartographer_Routes/Core.lua: |
| 18:13.37 | CIA-8 | Cartographer_Routes: Fixed an issue where changing the route being waypointed |
| 18:13.37 | CIA-8 | (usually from harvesting node insertion) will cause it to stop queueing up the |
| 18:13.37 | CIA-8 | next node for waypointing. Now you can even optimize it in the background and |
| 18:13.37 | CIA-8 | waypoints will continue to work! |
| 18:15.13 | Xinhuan | chiper, more Cartographer_Routes screenshots on http://www.mmo-champion.com/ on front page ;d |
| 18:15.20 | Xinhuan | vithos, update _Routes and test :D |
| 18:15.41 | Fisker- | :D? |
| 18:15.49 | Fisker- | "You going to the raid tonight?" |
| 18:15.50 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 18:15.58 | Fisker- | "Can't you bring your enchanting rod?" |
| 18:16.18 | Fisker- | at that moment my head was steaming |
| 18:16.19 | Fisker- | :( |
| 18:16.30 | Fisker- | i was like clamps |
| 18:16.51 | Fisker- | "Oh you mean the clamps? The weapon i use at EACH AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY? You're a freaking genius!" |
| 18:17.28 | Fisker- | i mean who DOESN'T have their enchanting rod with them at all times? |
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| 18:18.05 | Xinhuan | hahaha |
| 18:18.17 | Xinhuan | back when enchanting rods weren't merged together |
| 18:18.22 | Xinhuan | i had to carry 4 of them around at a time |
| 18:18.22 | Fisker- | i could understand if it was a low-level enchant before TBC |
| 18:18.23 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 18:18.53 | Matrix110 | I always like it when people ask me questions like: "Do you have 12 Arcane Dust with you?" or "Do you have 8 Large Prismatic Shards?" while raiding :P |
| 18:19.21 | Matrix110 | i think i never ever had enchanting mats with me but people keep asking-.- |
| 18:20.01 | Fisker- | i never sell to people anyways |
| 18:20.10 | Fisker- | "But that's just as expensive as AH!" |
| 18:20.19 | Fisker- | Yeah where do you think it would end up if you wouldn't be buying it? |
| 18:21.18 | Godzmack | you dont even give your guildies a small discount? |
| 18:21.39 | Fisker- | guildies sure |
| 18:21.57 | Fisker- | but i put it up as i get it these days |
| 18:22.06 | chiper | I rarely have enough mats that I'd fill a bag |
| 18:22.12 | Fisker- | with prices as high as they are it doesn't pay to do anything else |
| 18:22.23 | chiper | dump it into the bank if it's something I'm keeping |
| 18:22.37 | Matrix110 | I just dont sell enchanting mats to my guildies because then i end up buying it more expensive on the AH:P |
| 18:22.54 | Fin | I can easily fill up 16 slots if I'm travelling between zones and things, getting all sorts of different herbs and crap |
| 18:22.58 | Godzmack | i never sell enchanting mats :p while they're as high as they are now I'd have to buy them back anyway when I got something new |
| 18:23.03 | Matrix110 | Not to mention i get my mats by dissing items worth 6g at the Vendor which gie me 2 fucking ARCANE DUST |
| 18:23.17 | zac | Matrix110: always vendor weapons, always DE armor |
| 18:23.28 | Matrix110 | other way around i woudl say... |
| 18:23.34 | Matrix110 | Weapons atleast give PLanar essence |
| 18:23.50 | Matrix110 | I got like 0 Planar 0 LPS but ~200 Arcane Dust ffs |
| 18:23.50 | zac | weapons rarely give essences since the expansion, they are usually not worth the DE and vendor for more than you get |
| 18:23.52 | vithos | Xinhuan: i'm trying it |
| 18:23.55 | Fisker- | sell price for weapons doesn't outweigh the price of planar essences usually :D |
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| 18:24.09 | Matrix110 | how cheap are Planars on your server? |
| 18:24.10 | Fisker- | i usually get 1 or 2 essences |
| 18:24.13 | Fisker- | 8-10g |
| 18:24.27 | Matrix110 | here its 9-14g |
| 18:24.27 | Xinhuan | if you background optimize a route, it will work on conclusion since it now checks the entire route for the coordinate |
| 18:24.42 | Xinhuan | even if the node number has changed significantly ;p |
| 18:24.44 | Matrix110 | 1 essence is normally better than the money you get from the vendor |
| 18:25.02 | Matrix110 | the worst thing possible is anyway if you diss blues |
| 18:25.06 | Matrix110 | and get fucking VOID CRYSTALS |
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| 18:25.14 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 18:25.22 | Xinhuan | when we do heroics now |
| 18:25.28 | Xinhuan | my group always say |
| 18:25.39 | Xinhuan | "DE everythinh first, at the end of the heroic, split the DEed loot" |
| 18:25.55 | Fin | no way |
| 18:25.56 | Xinhuan | so at the end of a heroic.. say slavepens |
| 18:26.05 | Fin | I've heard that so many times and it's complete cock |
| 18:26.08 | Xinhuan | we have 4 prismatics and 1 void crystal |
| 18:26.15 | Xinhuan | LOWEST GETS VOID LOLOLOL |
| 18:26.18 | Xinhuan | on /roll |
| 18:26.21 | Fin | everyone just automatically leaves the group and hearths |
| 18:26.29 | Xinhuan | nah, i only do heroics with friends |
| 18:26.33 | Osstia | same |
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| 18:26.34 | Hallucinosis | Xinhuan, that's how it always works |
| 18:26.37 | Matrix110 | Fin that owns:P |
| 18:26.40 | Xinhuan | i would never use that rule on pugs |
| 18:26.43 | Osstia | I only do heroics with people I know |
| 18:26.45 | Matrix110 | i said: i diss loot nobody wants |
| 18:26.46 | chiper | that's a good policy, I should make that requirement |
| 18:26.47 | Matrix110 | we finish |
| 18:26.53 | Matrix110 | i want to give out shards |
| 18:26.55 | Matrix110 | all leave |
| 18:27.00 | Matrix110 | and i end up with 6 shards:P |
| 18:27.14 | Xinhuan | we do daily heroic shattered halls, 50 minutes for 5 badges, 6 shards, 1-2 void crystals now |
| 18:27.17 | vithos | Xinhuan: i deleted the currently waypointed node to try and test it, and when i hit the waypoint, i got no new waypoint |
| 18:27.18 | deltron | lol that happened to me once |
| 18:27.19 | Hallucinosis | When I do run with pugs, it's like 1 or 2 and then 2-3 of my IRL friends, so we make the rules |
| 18:27.20 | chiper | especially after yesterdays h. mech nightmare. I never thought you could get a noob mage, but this guy took the cake |
| 18:27.21 | Godzmack | i loved that when i was an enchanter :p |
| 18:27.25 | Hallucinosis | nice |
| 18:27.27 | Fisker- | i'm the enchanter |
| 18:27.29 | Fisker- | i nevar scam |
| 18:27.34 | Xinhuan | that is intended vithos ~_~ |
| 18:27.41 | Fisker- | so it's always DE in the end and split for us |
| 18:27.46 | Xinhuan | if you deleted a node being waypointed, you are asking for it :D |
| 18:27.59 | vithos | that's what i figured. it's hard to test this though :P |
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| 18:28.09 | Xinhuan | just do your daily whatever stuff |
| 18:28.17 | Xinhuan | and see if anything ordinary breaks it |
| 18:28.29 | Xinhuan | doing stuff like deleting the node will obviously break it hehe |
| 18:28.31 | Fin | is there a function that lets you check whether the player has already completed a quest or not? |
| 18:28.35 | Hallucinosis | I'm pretty much out of the raiding game these days. Just a bit of PvP, but then 5 people I know just quit wow, so even arenas have been messed up for me lately. So I have a lvl 42 priest alt now =P |
| 18:28.37 | Xinhuan | fin, no |
| 18:28.45 | Fin | tits and *balls* |
| 18:28.47 | Fin | thanks Xinhuan |
| 18:28.59 | Godzmack | its not scamming Fisker-, everyone just forgets the shards including yourself and you notice sometime later and cba to remember all of their names to whisper them :p |
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| 18:29.16 | Xinhuan | vithos, does your _waypoints options have "show waypoint on minimap" turned on? |
| 18:29.18 | Xinhuan | just wondering |
| 18:30.03 | vithos | no it doesn't |
| 18:30.20 | Xinhuan | i figured that |
| 18:30.25 | Xinhuan | all the options were defaulted to off |
| 18:30.36 | Xinhuan | try turning that option on |
| 18:30.41 | Xinhuan | it will help a bit |
| 18:31.28 | vithos | ah, good call. i like that |
| 18:31.30 | RaydenUni | why is the AV wait over 30 minutes? |
| 18:31.49 | RaydenUni | been this way the last few days |
| 18:31.56 | Xinhuan | are you horde |
| 18:32.04 | Xinhuan | alliance boycotted AV on every battlegroup |
| 18:32.13 | vithos | okay, it seems to work fine now. i found a node, then backtraced ~3 nodes on the route before deleting it, restarted the waypoints and when it got readded there was no problem. problem seems to be solved :) |
| 18:32.14 | chiper | because alliance are sick of losing AV |
| 18:32.17 | RaydenUni | yeah i'm horde |
| 18:32.18 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 18:32.21 | RaydenUni | on the forums? |
| 18:32.26 | Fisker- | i remember someone who asked the GM's for someone's charactername |
| 18:32.26 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 18:32.37 | Fisker- | because he had mistakenly gotten 500gold from him or something like that |
| 18:32.37 | Fisker- | :D |
| 18:32.57 | Xinhuan | because the only difference between an AV weekend and a non-AV weekend is exactly 83.6 honor for every game regardless of its outcome |
| 18:33.01 | Xinhuan | and alliance always loses |
| 18:33.06 | Xinhuan | so there is no reason to even play AV |
| 18:33.22 | sag_ich_nicht | gah |
| 18:33.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm such a god damn stalker sometimes |
| 18:33.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i know of everyone i know every single twink |
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| 18:33.44 | sag_ich_nicht | even if they don't want that twink known |
| 18:33.52 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 18:33.53 | [Liquidor] | i love my bg, alliance wins 95% and 50% is within 11min |
| 18:34.05 | sag_ich_nicht | just found another two |
| 18:34.11 | sag_ich_nicht | now i'll track log off/logon behaviour |
| 18:34.13 | sag_ich_nicht | to check who is who |
| 18:34.19 | Xinhuan | stalker |
| 18:34.21 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 18:34.27 | sag_ich_nicht | but i only stalk twinks |
| 18:34.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i have a reason for that too |
| 18:35.05 | Osstia | stalker |
| 18:36.09 | sag_ich_nicht | no, you see, the original reason for that behaviour is that i had to know if a certain person was online/offline so i knew if i could talk to another person freely without that person knowing, since they were playing in the same room |
| 18:36.17 | sag_ich_nicht | it has just kind of swapped over to all people i know :P |
| 18:36.26 | Hallucinosis | Aliance got too used to always winning AV |
| 18:36.31 | Hallucinosis | *alliance |
| 18:37.11 | Arrowmaster | one can only imagine the reasons you had for needing to know if you could freely talk to that other person without the first person knowing.... |
| 18:37.38 | Fisker- | lol |
| 18:37.47 | sag_ich_nicht | well, i was trying to avoid guild and RL drama |
| 18:37.47 | Fisker- | someone was wondering if you could take kazzak with 3 characters |
| 18:37.48 | Fisker- | ... |
| 18:38.01 | Fisker- | haha |
| 18:38.07 | Fisker- | didn't even know kazzak moved to outland |
| 18:38.10 | Fisker- | he meant the old kazzak |
| 18:38.11 | Fisker- | rofl |
| 18:39.18 | Arrowmaster | did bliz do that hotfix to put the christmas patterns on a vender yet |
| 18:39.30 | Fisker- | yes |
| 18:39.30 | Hallucinosis | lol |
| 18:40.06 | Arrowmaster | i havent logged in since like sunday |
| 18:40.24 | Knaledge | Xinhuan: nice work on the bankitems guild bank |
| 18:40.27 | Knaledge | I like it |
| 18:40.39 | Xinhuan | did you update from wowace |
| 18:40.42 | Xinhuan | or incgamers |
| 18:40.43 | Knaledge | yeah |
| 18:40.46 | Knaledge | wowace |
| 18:40.56 | Xinhuan | just curious |
| 18:41.08 | Knaledge | I never use inc or wowui |
| 18:41.18 | Knaledge | except for lightheaded, which clad should just put on here |
| 18:41.41 | Xinhuan | he couldn't put lightheaded on wowace because its too large, 5.something mb |
| 18:41.52 | Xinhuan | plus clad doesn't like wowace |
| 18:42.21 | Xinhuan | well i suppose the size isn't really an issue, i've seen bigger things |
| 18:42.26 | Xinhuan | its more of his dislike |
| 18:42.27 | Knaledge | meh, exactly. |
| 18:42.35 | dylanm | No. It was the issue on Gcode, I think. |
| 18:42.35 | Knaledge | just offer each as a package |
| 18:42.47 | vithos | man, why didn't blizzard put a ground animation on the hippogryph mount |
| 18:43.16 | vithos | i think i'd buy one if it had that. not having one on my nether ray is so annoying when herbing |
| 18:43.59 | Knaledge | I base all of my mount decisions off of animations yet to be implemented as well. |
| 18:44.13 | Knaledge | Truly something worth returning the game over and canceling the sub |
| 18:44.29 | Xinhuan | do you know the legendary bug mount does not have a "stationary" jump animation (when you press the jump button)? |
| 18:44.30 | Knaledge | Laziness. |
| 18:44.52 | Knaledge | That's why I never bothered with the AQ40 gate opening chain. |
| 18:45.10 | dylanm | Knaledge: #1 it's not an Ace mod, but that shouldn't really be a big deal. I think clad's main objection is that he wants to do development in trunk and use actual releases to get stuff out that people should actually expect to work. |
| 18:45.35 | Knaledge | What's weird about that logic though |
| 18:45.42 | Knaledge | is that he's made mistakes in his releases anyways |
| 18:45.53 | Knaledge | and he's had to rebuild, somewhere, to publish it |
| 18:46.07 | Arrowmaster | people bitch more when stuff randomly breaks often |
| 18:46.09 | dylanm | He had it on Gcode for some time until he overran their limit. |
| 18:46.22 | Knaledge | arrow: he breaks stuff. |
| 18:46.30 | Knaledge | usually at least once per cycle |
| 18:46.41 | Arrowmaster | ok 2nd question, does this minipet have a duration on it when i remove it from the box? |
| 18:46.44 | Knaledge | and it allll gets pushed to incgamers... I don't see the difference. |
| 18:46.46 | dylanm | That doesn't at all invalidate the desire to have purposeful releases. |
| 18:47.00 | dylanm | He much prefers wowinterface. |
| 18:47.01 | Knaledge | It's not a question of validity |
| 18:47.27 | Knaledge | It's just.... like refusing to go to subway because you are capable of making your own sandwich. |
| 18:47.35 | Knaledge | so the fuck wha. |
| 18:47.42 | dylanm | I don't follow. |
| 18:47.50 | Osstia | not a great analogy there |
| 18:47.57 | Knaledge | IT fits |
| 18:48.02 | dylanm | Hey who's hungry for a big SANDWICH though |
| 18:48.04 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, no |
| 18:48.24 | Xinhuan | i find that the main advanatge of wowace's svn is that people help to fix each other's addons, and localizations happen 10x faster |
| 18:48.37 | Knaledge | I won't publish my addon to Ace SVN because I want purposeful releases because my releases are intended by my public to be working on devliery as intended. |
| 18:48.46 | Antiar1 | That and publishing via SVN is a lot easier than publishing via manual zip + upload |
| 18:48.47 | Knaledge | Yet... I break releases at least twice per cycle |
| 18:48.55 | Arrowmaster | ok who the fuck puts a cast time on a minipet.... its bad enough my eggbert has a 10 sec cooldown...... |
| 18:49.03 | Knaledge | He breaks releases. Look at the history on the woi page |
| 18:49.08 | dylanm | You're asking him to be perfect? |
| 18:49.14 | Knaledge | He had to post like... 5 versions for one release |
| 18:49.15 | Xinhuan | Knaledge you can do that development on branches, and push "releases" to trunk |
| 18:49.18 | Xinhuan | on wowace that is |
| 18:49.34 | Antiar1 | I just develop on trunk and tell people to yell at me on IRC if it breaks! :P |
| 18:49.38 | Osstia | That seems the best of both worlds to me |
| 18:49.40 | dylanm | That's not really how most projects do it and I think that annoyed him. |
| 18:49.46 | Knaledge | No dylanm - I think I'd just ask him to get over it. |
| 18:50.02 | Knaledge | Because he's steadily getting more and more requests to put it on ace |
| 18:50.05 | Knaledge | not convert |
| 18:50.07 | Knaledge | just publish |
| 18:50.11 | Osstia | but imo I am happy with however folks wanna do it, the fact that people are doing work i can't is good enough for me |
| 18:50.15 | Knaledge | 6 comments in the last three weeks |
| 18:50.23 | Osstia | SVN makes it fast, but if he's workin, thats nice |
| 18:50.37 | Knaledge | yeah no doubt its fine it's being released period |
| 18:50.48 | Xinhuan | i agree with Antiarc too, the autozip script with externals and stuff makes it too-easy |
| 18:50.51 | Knaledge | it just .... it doesn't seem to be a very solid arguement |
| 18:50.56 | dylanm | There's this wild expectation that you should be able to use WAU and download bleeding-edge code and have it work. |
| 18:51.12 | Knaledge | No it's just convenience, dylanm. |
| 18:51.21 | dylanm | Right. |
| 18:51.42 | Knaledge | I just broke auctioneer so hard like 20 minutes ago |
| 18:51.45 | Knaledge | posted an error log |
| 18:51.46 | cncfanatics | ~nickometer ag´_ |
| 18:51.48 | Knaledge | now it's fixed. |
| 18:51.54 | cncfanatics | it is heriby proven that av fails for 24% :) |
| 18:51.59 | Knaledge | thats why I like SVN |
| 18:52.09 | Xinhuan | BankItems (on incgamers): 99,892 total downloads / downloads this week: 628 |
| 18:52.11 | Knaledge | and thats why I like WAU (though I don't use it) |
| 18:52.12 | Xinhuan | need 108 more |
| 18:52.18 | Antiarc | cron ftw? |
| 18:52.52 | Osstia | can I wget it xinhuan? |
| 18:52.56 | Xinhuan | wowace |
| 18:53.08 | Xinhuan | is faster ;d |
| 18:53.16 | Xinhuan | but doesn't track download numbers |
| 18:53.18 | Osstia | yeha, but it won't get you your 108 |
| 18:53.22 | Xinhuan | so i'm a bit annoyed about that |
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| 18:53.41 | Knaledge | would wowace be accurate though? |
| 18:53.59 | chiper | shame curse got so jacked up. every time they change the interface they make it worse |
| 18:54.01 | Xinhuan | wowace doesn't even track |
| 18:54.04 | Knaledge | wouldn't it technically count the same origin IP (downloader) as a new unique because of the build variations? |
| 18:54.09 | Xinhuan | so there is no accuracy to talk about |
| 18:54.10 | Antiarc | The logs that Kaelten generates track 1 download per IP |
| 18:54.34 | Xinhuan | kaelten says it takes too much processing time to parse 12 million lines of logs |
| 18:54.37 | Knaledge | antiarc: even over mutiple builds? |
| 18:54.38 | Xinhuan | so he stopped doing it |
| 18:54.47 | Antiarc | Knaledge: Uh, per file I think |
| 18:54.56 | Knaledge | yeah that is a waste then |
| 18:54.58 | Knaledge | sorry xin |
| 18:55.02 | Knaledge | too expensive methinks |
| 18:55.06 | Antiarc | So if they hit a build-specific file (Omen-r12345.zip) as opposed to the general file (Omen.zip) then it'll count per |
| 18:55.43 | Daemona | yeah, the trick about the generic file though is that you could hotlink it, no that i suggest doing it. |
| 18:55.55 | Daemona | running wowace.com is expensive enough. |
| 18:56.15 | Arrowmaster | i always link to the generic files when posting links on my guild forums |
| 18:56.38 | Arrowmaster | usually other places too |
| 18:56.41 | Daemona | i usually link to files.wowace.com and tell them to get x |
| 18:56.53 | Knaledge | oh xin |
| 18:56.56 | Knaledge | while you're here |
| 18:57.13 | Knaledge | any chance on adding a simple .. "Open Guild Bank" button on the BI ui? |
| 18:57.27 | Xinhuan | why don't you just type /bigb ~_~ |
| 18:57.28 | Knaledge | nothing fancy just a button to open the frame... simple as /bigb |
| 18:57.33 | Knaledge | yeah I know |
| 18:57.52 | Xinhuan | i couldn't really think of a neat place to add that button actually, so i forgot about adding it |
| 18:57.56 | Knaledge | I didn't know you implemented the feature until I read the changelog |
| 18:58.56 | Xinhuan | running out of room to add buttons to be honest |
| 18:58.57 | Knaledge | what if you got rid of |
| 18:59.03 | Knaledge | "show all realms" text |
| 18:59.09 | Knaledge | replaced it with "all realms" |
| 18:59.24 | Knaledge | and then moved the dropdown over to the left a bit |
| 18:59.38 | Knaledge | and added a button to the right of the export, search buttons? |
| 18:59.40 | Xinhuan | maybe, but that text is localized |
| 18:59.53 | Knaledge | ah// crap yeah |
| 19:00.29 | Knaledge | perhaps then a menu option on the bankitemsfu menu? |
| 19:00.34 | Knaledge | meh,, like you said it's not a big del |
| 19:00.44 | Knaledge | I just didn't know it existed until I read the log |
| 19:00.50 | Xinhuan | if i ever decide to update that addon heh |
| 19:01.23 | Knaledge | lol yeah |
| 19:01.38 | Knaledge | only other thing I can think of is to the left of the options button |
| 19:01.50 | Knaledge | or, change the options button from "Options" to a cog wheel |
| 19:02.01 | Knaledge | with a tooltip like you have now |
| 19:02.08 | Knaledge | then you open up a bit more space at the top |
| 19:02.25 | Knaledge | OR |
| 19:02.38 | Knaledge | just another small button to the right/left of the options button that exists now |
| 19:02.41 | Knaledge | just ideas |
| 19:03.59 | Xinhuan | i considered making the addon aced, but i didn't really see any part of the addon that would benefit from using ace |
| 19:04.38 | Industrial | can u maek ace3 ver pls? |
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| 19:04.54 | Xinhuan | possibly |
| 19:05.03 | Xinhuan | but the beta isn't even out yet |
| 19:05.08 | Industrial | I was joking. |
| 19:05.38 | Xinhuan | it is a valid possibility, it is an opportunity to "get to know ace3" |
| 19:06.00 | Xinhuan | i learnt all about Rock just doing _Routes |
| 19:10.03 | Fin | ooh! ooh! can I have a go! |
| 19:10.11 | Fin | woo! |
| 19:10.33 | Fin | do I get to go again? do I do I do I |
| 19:10.44 | Antiarc | Is there a Mr Plow for guild banks? |
| 19:10.58 | [Liquidor] | Antiarc, BankStack |
| 19:11.03 | Industrial | ~seen Wobin |
| 19:11.29 | purl | wobin is currently on #gnu-kbsd (12h 2m 2s), last said: 'appears not =('. |
| 19:11.29 | Antiarc | Thank you! |
| 19:11.29 | [Liquidor] | Fin, Yes! |
| 19:12.12 | Fin | cos then I'd know exactly what Industrial strength is |
| 19:12.21 | Xinhuan | hmm i wonder if that is the wobin we know |
| 19:12.28 | Xinhuan | or some random wobin |
| 19:13.09 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan, prolly random |
| 19:13.24 | [Liquidor] | wobin is prolly on another nick as 2ndary |
| 19:15.07 | chiper | I'm not a fan of Rock. I'm sure from the development side it's awesome, but from the user side it's kinda ugly |
| 19:15.45 | Fin | half the people here will have just seen me paste this on another channel, HOWEVER it is - in my humble opinion - worth reposting despite the waste of knowledge transfer opportunity here, despite the irrelevance to the channel in general |
| 19:15.52 | Fin | yay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91sqAs-_-g woo |
| 19:16.00 | Xinhuan | rock is alright, the main issue with it is only that it forces rockconfig |
| 19:16.22 | Fin | it's a beautiful rendition of a modern classic by the one and only Alanis Morisette |
| 19:16.23 | GOATEATER | question for Mr. Antiarc (which has probably been asked thousands of times...lol) ...what's up with the Guild Summary Generator? |
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| 19:16.36 | Fin | GOATEATE |
| 19:16.38 | Fin | +R |
| 19:16.39 | Antiarc | Nothing unusual, as far as I know |
| 19:16.42 | Fin | HELLO |
| 19:17.08 | Fin | [Liquidor]: don't get like Fisker- now, all needless violence and murdering and stuff, there's no need for that |
| 19:17.21 | GOATEATER | i get a "mysql_pconnect" access denied error |
| 19:17.37 | Fin | oh lordy lummy lu |
| 19:17.56 | [AR]Camci | guys i was flying over theramore isle, and i saw this big fuck, looking like the lurker boss in SSC, in the water at the bridge to the boat. |
| 19:17.57 | Fin | that'll be the world's largest internet company not being able to deal with web requests it would seem |
| 19:18.02 | [AR]Camci | anyone have any idea wtf that is ? |
| 19:18.07 | Fin | I thought they had it covered |
| 19:18.09 | Ellipsis | [AR]Camci it's for one of the new quests |
| 19:18.16 | [AR]Camci | lol? |
| 19:18.21 | Ellipsis | you get to fight him with cannons on the dock, he is pretty much like lurker |
| 19:18.29 | Ellipsis | really fun event though |
| 19:18.30 | [AR]Camci | oh damn cool |
| 19:18.33 | [AR]Camci | what lvl? |
| 19:18.45 | Ellipsis | he's a boss |
| 19:18.51 | [AR]Camci | i mean when can you do that quest? |
| 19:18.56 | Ellipsis | oh |
| 19:18.59 | Ellipsis | dunno, theramore level |
| 19:19.37 | [AR]Camci | nice |
| 19:19.44 | [AR]Camci | i was like wtf boss? :P |
| 19:19.46 | Fin | The url contained a malformed video id. |
| 19:19.49 | Antiarc | GOATEATER: Be sure you're using the tools at http://armory.mmo-champion.com |
| 19:19.55 | Antiarc | The ones at tachyonsix are deprecated |
| 19:20.30 | [Liquidor] | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i3x4C1fJcUk * |
| 19:20.32 | [Liquidor] | missed the k |
| 19:20.41 | [Liquidor] | It's Mr Pregnant crying |
| 19:21.18 | Fin | are you some sort of Britney fan? |
| 19:21.24 | Fin | I'm afraid I'll have to stop talking to you if so |
| 19:21.28 | GOATEATER | "Fatal error: Call to a member function xpath() on a non-object in /home/mmo-champion/armory/guild_stats.php on line 58" |
| 19:21.31 | Ellipsis | leave britney alone |
| 19:21.38 | Fin | 5 points! |
| 19:21.41 | Fin | boom |
| 19:22.30 | Antiarc | Oh. Hm. What input are you giving it? |
| 19:23.08 | GOATEATER | server: Stonemaul guild: Phantom Lords |
| 19:24.16 | chiper | what quest chain is that in theramore? I just did that area on my shammy and never ran into that quest |
| 19:24.32 | chiper | tho I havent done anything in the new goblin town |
| 19:25.02 | Ellipsis | it's brand new and no prereqs afaik |
| 19:25.12 | Ellipsis | or maybe requires some of the old quests, dunno |
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| 19:25.21 | Ellipsis | I was able to accept and do it on my main though |
| 19:25.36 | chiper | do you remember the name, or who gives it? |
| 19:25.45 | Ellipsis | boss is attackable with normal spells too, easily killable as a 70 caster |
| 19:25.54 | Ellipsis | hm lemme look it up |
| 19:26.49 | chiper | nm, I just found it |
| 19:26.51 | chiper | Take Down Tethyr |
| 19:27.11 | Ellipsis | that's the on |
| 19:27.13 | Ellipsis | one* |
| 19:27.21 | chiper | ah, it's the lighthouse chain |
| 19:27.27 | chiper | I'm only on part 4 of that one |
| 19:27.42 | vithos | ah, i saw that event on my way to hyjal last week |
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| 19:37.31 | GOATEATER | i get a different error, now...it appears that guild lookup on the WoW armory might be down |
| 19:37.47 | GOATEATER | or, maybe, it's just my guild lol |
| 19:38.16 | Fisker- | what castcommlib is jerry's grid whining about? |
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| 19:40.18 | Arrowmaster | afaik castcommlib is found on the grid svn not wowace (the zip script pulls in offsite externals for both versions i think) |
| 19:41.33 | Fisker- | OH GOD |
| 19:41.34 | Fisker- | :< |
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| 19:42.18 | User_____ | Why is it that the moment I installed Cartographer Routes all my herbalism notes that I got from cartographer_herbalism dissapeared? |
| 19:42.50 | Xinhuan | sounds like herbalism didn't get loaded |
| 19:42.59 | User_____ | well |
| 19:43.05 | User_____ | oh wtf is with my name |
| 19:43.07 | User_____ | hold |
| 19:43.26 | Vexir | okay |
| 19:43.32 | Vexir | this is user_______ |
| 19:43.41 | haste | we can see that :) |
| 19:43.46 | Vexir | har har |
| 19:43.46 | haste | 2042.51| -- User_____- is now known as Vexir |
| 19:44.01 | Vexir | so actually i was using the herbalism premade db i downloaded from curse |
| 19:44.05 | Vexir | which .. probably isnt updated |
| 19:44.08 | Xinhuan | _routes does not modify your _herbalism database, it only reads from it |
| 19:44.19 | Vexir | i just got the files.wowace.com version of catographer_herbalism , how do i install it though |
| 19:44.30 | Xinhuan | you should be using a premade database called Cartographer_Data |
| 19:44.35 | Xinhuan | which is an addon by itself |
| 19:44.39 | Vexir | ahh |
| 19:44.41 | Xinhuan | updated weekly from wowhead nodes |
| 19:44.57 | Vexir | well Cartographer_herbalism is more updated |
| 19:44.59 | Vexir | 20 hours ago |
| 19:45.12 | Xinhuan | yah, probably some french localization |
| 19:45.15 | Xinhuan | /shrug |
| 19:45.21 | vithos | _herbalism is not a premade database. you need both |
| 19:45.37 | Xinhuan | _Herbalism is an actual addon that does the node recording |
| 19:45.38 | Vexir | should i just put _data and _herbalism in my Addons folder then? |
| 19:45.44 | Xinhuan | it isn't a "premade database" |
| 19:45.53 | Xinhuan | it is THE database |
| 19:45.59 | Xinhuan | but it starts out empty |
| 19:46.12 | Xinhuan | so far so good? follow? |
| 19:46.20 | Vexir | yes, that is _herbalism. |
| 19:46.33 | Vexir | and then _data fills in the database with DATA |
| 19:46.36 | Vexir | which is updated weekly |
| 19:46.50 | Vexir | _herbalism itself is just the node recording portion of cartographer |
| 19:46.57 | Vexir | right/ |
| 19:47.01 | Vexir | *? |
| 19:47.05 | Vexir | thus |
| 19:47.09 | Xinhuan | so to get _Routes to work, you need to install Cartographer (this comes with Cartographer_Notes packaged inside), install Cartographer_Herbalism (the herb addon that stores nodes as you harvest them) |
| 19:47.23 | Vexir | right. |
| 19:47.26 | Xinhuan | then install Cartographer_Data, if you want to have a premade database imported into _herbalism |
| 19:47.27 | Vexir | routes worked. |
| 19:47.43 | Vexir | i was just missing the data that i downloaded from curse.com ages ago |
| 19:47.53 | Xinhuan | excellent! |
| 19:47.58 | Vexir | but i obviously Cartographer_Data is more recent and updated so ill use that ;) |
| 19:48.02 | Xinhuan | now have fun farming! |
| 19:48.08 | chiper | does _routes already have the routes defined, or do you build them yourself? |
| 19:48.12 | Vexir | not until i get my epic flying i wont have fun |
| 19:48.14 | Vexir | lol |
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| 19:48.19 | Xinhuan | you build them yourself chiper |
| 19:48.20 | Vexir | _routes calculates them i believe |
| 19:48.25 | Vexir | and then you can optimize them |
| 19:48.26 | Xinhuan | by selecting the nodes you are interested in |
| 19:48.36 | Vexir | alright thanks guys |
| 19:48.36 | Xinhuan | for eg, "i want a route with all adamantite ore and felweed only" |
| 19:48.56 | chiper | ah, and then it builds a route that I can tweak, got it |
| 19:49.04 | Vexir | thats hella nifty |
| 19:49.08 | Vexir | im gonna go mess with it. brb |
| 19:49.16 | chiper | might check that out tonight |
| 19:49.25 | chiper | need to level my herb skill |
| 19:49.31 | Xinhuan | if you need some screenshot, there's some on the wiki |
| 19:49.44 | Xinhuan | http://wiki.wowace.com/wiki/Cartographer_Routes |
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| 19:50.08 | Xinhuan | hmm, the wiki's not very updated |
| 19:50.16 | Vexir | one more question |
| 19:50.36 | Vexir | do you know of any addons that let me get rid of / move / alter that red warning text at the top of WoW's ui |
| 19:50.46 | Vexir | that goes "not enough mana" or "you must be facing your target" |
| 19:50.50 | Vexir | those are REALLY annoying |
| 19:50.56 | Ellipsis | errormonster |
| 19:50.56 | Xinhuan | that would be the UIErrorsFrame |
| 19:50.59 | dylanm | Doesn't ErrorMonster do that? |
| 19:51.00 | Xinhuan | ErrorMonster |
| 19:51.03 | Xinhuan | will get rid of it |
| 19:51.24 | Vexir | kk |
| 19:51.26 | Vexir | oh crap |
| 19:51.26 | Xinhuan | it isn't |
| 19:51.27 | Vexir | i broke something |
| 19:51.31 | Xinhuan | as annoying as you think |
| 19:51.41 | Xinhuan | because there are some messages you definitely want to see |
| 19:51.41 | Vexir | well its annoying when filming raid videos =P |
| 19:52.03 | Vexir | yeah i just want to be able to hide it for a while |
| 19:52.04 | Vexir | and move it around and stuff |
| 19:52.09 | Vexir | i broke something |
| 19:52.11 | Vexir | helpz |
| 19:52.15 | chiper | fluidframes will let you move it |
| 19:52.15 | Vexir | this constant error |
| 19:52.29 | Xinhuan | ? |
| 19:52.54 | Vexir | [string "CT_MMForwardFrame:OnUpdate"]:1:attempt to call global 'CT_MMForward_OnUpdate' (a nil value) |
| 19:52.58 | Vexir | i cant get rid of it |
| 19:53.06 | Vexir | its like a permanent error, no matter how many times i click okay |
| 19:53.07 | Xinhuan | update or delete CT Mail Mod |
| 19:53.13 | Vexir | ah |
| 19:53.22 | Xinhuan | i recommend Postal over it ;p |
| 19:53.23 | Vexir | do you know of any better mail mods? CT mail mod is really slow... |
| 19:53.26 | Vexir | ALRIGHT |
| 19:53.27 | Vexir | postal it is |
| 19:53.32 | chiper | yeah, I just switched to postal too |
| 19:53.40 | Vexir | wowace addon? |
| 19:53.45 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 19:53.53 | chiper | funny how CT has gradually been replaced |
| 19:54.15 | Vexir | so should i use errormonster or fluidframes? |
| 19:54.17 | Xinhuan | only because it was inefficient |
| 19:54.18 | dylanm | I wonder who in this channel wrote parts of Postal HE SURE IS HANDSOME. |
| 19:54.35 | Ellipsis | I heard the guy who's maintaining Postal now is stronger than chuck norris |
| 19:54.53 | [Liquidor] | someone ping me and report the time |
| 19:54.59 | chiper | vexir: errormonster will suppress the errors. fluidframes will let you move the frame |
| 19:55.03 | deltron | bulkmail2 is awesome if you havne't used it |
| 19:55.05 | Ellipsis | if he, say, stabbed you with a pillow? you might die from that |
| 19:55.19 | Vexir | chiper: is there any way i can ... shrink it? |
| 19:55.26 | Vexir | chiper: i dont want it to occupy so much of my screen |
| 19:55.26 | dylanm | Dude bench presses orphans out of poverty daily. |
| 19:55.27 | Xinhuan | stabbing with pillows is my trademark |
| 19:55.44 | Vexir | Xinhuan: your trademark just got stolen, im going to start doing that, its genius. |
| 19:55.45 | chiper | no idea |
| 19:55.58 | Xinhuan | Vexir, if you just want to temporarily hide that frame |
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| 19:56.14 | Xinhuan | just do /script UIErrorsFrame:Hide() |
| 19:56.23 | Xinhuan | when you're done, do /script UIErrorsFrame:Show() |
| 19:56.23 | chiper | I'd like to see FF get a browsing window like the EditingUI mod |
| 19:56.32 | Xinhuan | and you won't really need an addon |
| 19:56.46 | Vexir | Xinhuan: hehe yeah i suppose. I'd really like to get it out of my face though, on the side would be nice |
| 19:56.46 | dylanm | chiper: Like a dom inspector? Such things exist. |
| 19:56.53 | Vexir | im going to check out fluidframes |
| 19:56.59 | Vexir | chiper: best place to download FluidFrames? |
| 19:57.06 | chiper | vex: it's on ace |
| 19:57.09 | Antiarc | Firebug? |
| 19:57.17 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 19:57.19 | Vexir | chiper: i looked, i dont see it |
| 19:57.25 | chiper | dylanm: uhm, FluidFrames, not Firefox |
| 19:57.29 | Antiarc | Ahhh :P |
| 19:57.42 | chiper | context man, context :) |
| 19:57.45 | dylanm | Uh |
| 19:57.55 | Vexir | no its definetely not in here |
| 19:58.26 | Vexir | flex bar is the only addon in there with "F l" |
| 19:58.38 | Xinhuan | google.com |
| 19:58.42 | Xinhuan | i heard it rocks |
| 19:58.43 | chiper | coulda sworn WUA listed it |
| 19:59.11 | [Liquidor] | ehm |
| 19:59.17 | Vexir | Xinhuan: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com works better for that purpose |
| 19:59.17 | [Liquidor] | could you guys ping me and tell me what you get? |
| 19:59.25 | Vexir | ping liquidor |
| 19:59.27 | Vexir | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.43 | [Liquidor] | some gets -seconds replies while others get 1min+ replies and well :S my net is fucked |
| 19:59.54 | Xinhuan | [[Liquidor] PING reply]: 986432102ms |
| 20:00.13 | chiper | vex: well I know wowinterface and curse both have it |
| 20:00.26 | Matrix110 | ping.exe tells me 86ms to me though :P |
| 20:01.02 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Using /run instead if /script is better. :) |
| 20:01.04 | chiper | .57 seconds |
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| 20:01.55 | Vexir | chiper: i got it off cosmos |
| 20:02.03 | Vexir | man i just installed like 8 addons |
| 20:02.09 | Vexir | im not going to remember which ones i installed |
| 20:02.16 | chiper | cosmos still exists? |
| 20:02.23 | Vexir | the website has a bunch of downloads |
| 20:02.30 | Vexir | i used it. tool! |
| 20:02.40 | deltron | chiper: you'd be surprised how many times I've seen that uttered |
| 20:02.53 | chiper | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7080-FluidFrames.html |
| 20:03.02 | chiper | deltron: hah |
| 20:03.04 | Vexir | man i want to roll alliance |
| 20:03.10 | deltron | Vexir: why? |
| 20:03.14 | dylanm | No you don't. |
| 20:03.20 | Vexir | i havent played an alli char in a long time |
| 20:03.21 | chiper | nice, they added a real UI to FF, I'll have to download it when I get home |
| 20:03.40 | chiper | and yes, it does let you scale frames now |
| 20:03.41 | Vexir | ive been a horde fanboy since i got disgusted of my first ever toon (alli) at level 50 |
| 20:04.16 | RaydenUni | why would that make you want to roll an alliance? |
| 20:04.24 | RaydenUni | i don't think i will ever roll alliance |
| 20:04.29 | deltron | lol |
| 20:04.34 | Vexir | i dno... |
| 20:04.39 | Vexir | more girls =] |
| 20:04.48 | Vexir | nah i guess im just not very happy with my guild |
| 20:04.48 | deltron | I have a level 9 dwarf priest from 3 years ago because my coworker plays alliance |
| 20:04.51 | Vexir | they're not fun |
| 20:04.52 | RaydenUni | that's a really pathetic reason |
| 20:04.53 | chiper | less confusing cities |
| 20:04.53 | deltron | more 'girls' |
| 20:04.54 | Vexir | they're pushing me to the gnomes |
| 20:05.18 | Vexir | what is this crap, cartographer stop messing up my life |
| 20:05.27 | Ellipsis | hay now |
| 20:05.32 | Ellipsis | not all alliance girls are men |
| 20:05.46 | chiper | so, you dont have to talk to them |
| 20:05.47 | Vexir | "Cartographer_Stats.lua:5: Cannot find a library instnce of Babble-Spell |
| 20:06.02 | Vexir | the hell is babble spell |
| 20:06.08 | Xinhuan | it is a library |
| 20:06.10 | Ellipsis | the hell is cartographer_stats? |
| 20:06.15 | Xinhuan | containing translations |
| 20:06.18 | [Liquidor] | ^ |
| 20:06.25 | Xinhuan | of spellnames |
| 20:06.29 | Xinhuan | of all languages wow is released in |
| 20:06.39 | [Liquidor] | what |
| 20:06.40 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan |
| 20:06.41 | [Liquidor] | said |
| 20:06.42 | Xinhuan | why did you install _Stats anyway, get rid of it ;d |
| 20:07.06 | Vexir | okay. it sounded intriguing |
| 20:07.07 | Vexir | lol |
| 20:07.12 | Ellipsis | what could it possibly do that requires babble spell |
| 20:07.29 | Xinhuan | in any case, because _Stats has a dependency on Cartographer |
| 20:07.38 | Xinhuan | cartographer itself comes packaged with babblespell |
| 20:07.52 | Arrowmaster | are you sure? |
| 20:08.02 | Xinhuan | i think so, i'll check the externals Arrowmaster |
| 20:08.05 | Arrowmaster | i bet it comes with LibBabble-Spell-3.0 |
| 20:08.17 | dylanm | It would appear that Carto_Stats uses Babble-Spell for translations of Mining, Herbalism and Fishing |
| 20:08.28 | dylanm | And that's it |
| 20:08.30 | Ellipsis | ...wow |
| 20:08.31 | Xinhuan | LibBabble-Spell-3.0 http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibBabble-Spell-3.0 |
| 20:08.39 | Ellipsis | I can has gigantic library for 3 strings plz? |
| 20:08.42 | Xinhuan | it was upgraded from Babble-Spell-2.0 |
| 20:09.21 | Xinhuan | dylanm, except that _Herb/Mine/Fish isn't part of the default Cart package |
| 20:09.30 | Xinhuan | they are separate addons |
| 20:09.54 | dylanm | Xinhuan: Huh? What does that have to do with what I said? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. |
| 20:10.06 | Xinhuan | it has libbabblespell because _Professions is part of the cart package |
| 20:10.19 | Xinhuan | and it looks up the skills |
| 20:10.23 | dylanm | Right. |
| 20:11.26 | RaydenUni | did AV balance change in 2.3 at all? |
| 20:11.39 | Xinhuan | yes, they removed all commanders |
| 20:11.43 | Xinhuan | and changed the scoring system |
| 20:11.47 | RaydenUni | no |
| 20:11.50 | RaydenUni | that doesn't change balance |
| 20:11.58 | Xinhuan | it does because tactics changed |
| 20:11.59 | RaydenUni | i want to know if anything asymmetrical changed |
| 20:12.03 | deltron | no |
| 20:12.06 | Xinhuan | you can no longer single pull WMs |
| 20:12.07 | deltron | it's all the same |
| 20:12.09 | Varazir[NA] | anyone having problem with arkinvetory ? |
| 20:12.10 | RaydenUni | but that still isn't different between horde and alliance |
| 20:12.29 | Xinhuan | before 2.3, it was possible for horde to pull vandaar without any WMs |
| 20:12.40 | Xinhuan | so i'll say that is changed |
| 20:12.43 | RaydenUni | so you are saying the map was balanced one way for the play style demanded before, and now that the play style has changed the balance changed? |
| 20:12.56 | Xinhuan | correct! |
| 20:13.04 | Ellipsis | brilliant |
| 20:13.09 | dylanm | I would say that's almost obvious. |
| 20:13.39 | deltron | I can't wait till 2.3.2 so alliance can't pull drek alone and kill him with everything else up |
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| 20:13.56 | Xinhuan | also, new possibilities opened up |
| 20:14.04 | Xinhuan | it is now possible to win an AV by turtling |
| 20:14.11 | deltron | people actually do want to play defense |
| 20:14.21 | deltron | and you want people to get the caves |
| 20:14.24 | deltron | err mines |
| 20:14.29 | RaydenUni | i played an AV today and we had too much defense i think |
| 20:14.34 | RaydenUni | we couldn't push the last graveyard |
| 20:14.50 | RaydenUni | i need to read something explaining how AV works |
| 20:14.55 | RaydenUni | cause i dont' really understand most of it |
| 20:15.08 | Xinhuan | there isn't really anything to understand about it |
| 20:15.12 | deltron | depends, my guild we get about 7 people on defense, we set up a hardcore choke point and hardly anyone can get through |
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| 20:15.33 | RaydenUni | what does taking a mine give you? |
| 20:15.35 | deltron | RaydenUni: you horde or alliance? |
| 20:15.36 | RaydenUni | how do you take it? |
| 20:15.38 | RaydenUni | horde |
| 20:15.51 | Xinhuan | its very simple - both sides, has a "Boss and 4 warmasters" When you kill the boss, your faction wins |
| 20:15.53 | deltron | you take a mine like before, but it gives you reinforcements |
| 20:16.04 | Xinhuan | each of the 4 warmasters is linked to a tower |
| 20:16.16 | Xinhuan | if you destroy the tower, the corresponding warmaster despawns in the enemy base |
| 20:16.18 | RaydenUni | i never played "before" |
| 20:16.31 | Xinhuan | and that is it |
| 20:16.37 | Xinhuan | that's all AV is |
| 20:16.40 | Varazir[NA] | http://zedde.mine.nu/arkInventory.txt |
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| 20:17.02 | RaydenUni | how do you take the mine? |
| 20:17.13 | Vexir | you gotta kill the mob on the stage |
| 20:17.13 | Xinhuan | inside the mine, there is a "goblin npc boss" |
| 20:17.14 | RaydenUni | is there a flag like the towers? |
| 20:17.15 | Antiarc | Things that suck: A guildmate getting hacked and half your guild bank being cleaned out before the character hops servers. :( |
| 20:17.20 | Vexir | then your faction NPCs come and rape face |
| 20:17.22 | Vexir | its awsome to watch |
| 20:17.23 | Xinhuan | whichever faction tags it first and kills it |
| 20:17.30 | Xinhuan | gains control of the mine |
| 20:17.44 | RaydenUni | how do you lose reinforcements? |
| 20:17.47 | Xinhuan | the mine that spawns a mini boss of the same difficulty level |
| 20:17.49 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: happened to my guild the other day, but it was the entire bank :/ |
| 20:17.50 | Vexir | you lose flags |
| 20:17.57 | Xinhuan | for your faction |
| 20:18.01 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: Fortunately, we have restrictions in place for our "valuable" tab |
| 20:18.04 | deltron | people dying, you killing off balinda, capping towers, etc |
| 20:18.11 | Ellipsis | ours was a raid leader/officer |
| 20:18.12 | Ellipsis | so yeah |
| 20:18.16 | Xinhuan | you start with 600 reinforcements - every player death on your faction, you lose 1 reinforcements |
| 20:18.17 | Antiarc | Ow. |
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| 20:18.30 | Xinhuan | if you lose captain belindra or captain galvanger, your side loses 80 reinf |
| 20:18.39 | Xinhuan | for every tower lost, you lose another 50 |
| 20:19.08 | Xinhuan | every 2 or so minutes, your reinf increases based on the number of towers + GYs you have, i don't have exact numbers for this one |
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| 20:19.44 | Xinhuan | when the "final boss (vandaar or drekthar)" dies, you lose all reinforcemnts |
| 20:20.06 | Xinhuan | yes, suiciding will lose your side a reinf |
| 20:20.15 | Xinhuan | whether its by hellfire, or jumping off a cliff |
| 20:21.12 | deltron | http://www.wowwiki.com/Alterac_Valley <-- check out the patch 2.3 changes section |
| 20:21.17 | RaydenUni | so taking the mine... gives you more reinforcements? |
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| 20:21.25 | deltron | yes |
| 20:21.25 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 20:21.34 | RaydenUni | what gives bonus honor? |
| 20:21.37 | RaydenUni | killing the captains |
| 20:21.48 | NeoTron | Antiarc: so make sure people with access to the guild bank actually knows a shit about computers and don't get hacked? simple... |
| 20:21.50 | Xinhuan | every tower you destroy you get 20.6 honor |
| 20:22.01 | Xinhuan | every GY you capture (first capture only), you get 20.6 honor |
| 20:22.13 | Xinhuan | captain belindra/galvanger is worth another 20.6 |
| 20:22.23 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: The guy that got hacked works for Symantec, on their Norton security products :P |
| 20:22.25 | Xinhuan | kiling the final boss is worth 80.6 |
| 20:22.29 | Xinhuan | 82.4 i mean |
| 20:22.38 | Antiarc | We're still not sure how he was compromised :/ |
| 20:22.45 | Xinhuan | rofl Antiarc |
| 20:23.13 | Xinhuan | at the end of an AV |
| 20:23.24 | Xinhuan | for every mine/GY/tower you control, you gain some additional bonus honor |
| 20:23.54 | Xinhuan | so if you are losing, putting Gys in contested mode makes you gain some honor, enemy less |
| 20:24.04 | RaydenUni | when you kill NPC's they drop stuff |
| 20:24.07 | RaydenUni | what do you do with this? |
| 20:24.18 | Xinhuan | you can turn them in at your base NPCs |
| 20:24.23 | Xinhuan | for the armor scraps |
| 20:24.36 | Xinhuan | every 20 armor you turn in, you gain uh X rep, and a armor buff |
| 20:24.44 | Xinhuan | X is around, i dunno the new numbers |
| 20:24.50 | Xinhuan | like 10 rep or something |
| 20:24.56 | Xinhuan | with AV |
| 20:25.04 | Xinhuan | as for the badges, there are 3 types |
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| 20:25.26 | Xinhuan | in the AV, there are 3 NPCs called Wing Commanders that are "held hostage" in the enemy side |
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| 20:25.43 | Xinhuan | as you fight thru the towers, you encounter them and "talk to them" and they will "run back to your base" |
| 20:25.50 | Xinhuan | if they reach your base without dying |
| 20:26.03 | Xinhuan | then become NPCs that you can turn in these badges to |
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| 20:26.13 | Xinhuan | the story behind it is that, they are wing commanders |
| 20:26.24 | Xinhuan | but they refuse to go to the front lines to bomb the enemy from the air |
| 20:26.32 | Xinhuan | until you have sufficiently thinned out their numbers |
| 20:26.34 | RaydenUni | are the turn in quests worth it at all right now? |
| 20:26.44 | Xinhuan | they want proof you thinned out the numbers by having you turn in badges |
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| 20:27.06 | Xinhuan | when something like 50 badges have been turned in for each commander, they will each launch their own airstrike type of event |
| 20:27.30 | Xinhuan | which is simply them flying off in the air and throwing firebombs from the air at random enemy players at specific spots |
| 20:27.40 | Ellipsis | this whole thing sounds way too complicated |
| 20:27.46 | Xinhuan | when these fire bomb hits, they cause a knockback |
| 20:27.49 | Xinhuan | and some damage |
| 20:27.57 | Klazar | can VanasKoS publish kills-deaths to guild chat channel like pvplog? |
| 20:28.00 | Xinhuan | oh each turnin is also 50 rep |
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| 20:28.42 | Xinhuan | what else would you like to know? :) |
| 20:30.09 | Ellipsis | how does a polar bear know what apples is? |
| 20:30.18 | Shirik | wikipedia |
| 20:30.28 | RaydenUni | Xinhuan is it worth working on those quests at all? |
| 20:30.38 | RaydenUni | seems like it would take a long time and it distracts you from helping attack or defend |
| 20:30.39 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Wowwiki says 20.9 Honour, not 20.6 |
| 20:30.42 | Xinhuan | not really |
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| 20:30.52 | Xinhuan | i thought its 20.6 |
| 20:31.19 | Klazar | when it rips open an eskimo that jsut eat one |
| 20:31.25 | Polarina | It says clearly 20.9 |
| 20:32.04 | Xinhuan | alright 20.9 then |
| 20:32.30 | Xinhuan | RaydenUni: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/battlegrounds/info-alteracvalley.html |
| 20:32.37 | Xinhuan | exact numbers and details there |
| 20:32.41 | Xinhuan | wowwiki probably copied it off |
| 20:33.27 | Polarina | Controlling a mine now grants one reinforcement every 45 seconds, or 2 reinforcements every 45 seconds if you control both, up to a maximum of 600. |
| 20:34.41 | Polarina | WoW Map Viewer, what is that? |
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| 20:35.23 | Xinhuan | itsounds like a WoW map viewer |
| 20:35.39 | Polarina | Legal? |
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| 20:35.46 | Xinhuan | link? |
| 20:35.55 | Polarina | http://www.wowwiki.com/Azshara_Crater |
| 20:35.59 | Polarina | Under Geography. |
| 20:36.28 | Xinhuan | its just a program that extracts files from wow's mpqs or something |
| 20:36.59 | Xinhuan | i believe its WoW Model Viewer |
| 20:37.01 | Xinhuan | not map viewer |
| 20:37.08 | Xinhuan | and is a typo |
| 20:37.21 | Polarina | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/1428/ |
| 20:37.22 | Xinhuan | many people use wow model viewer to help make wow videos |
| 20:37.32 | Xinhuan | oh that map viewer |
| 20:37.43 | Polarina | Legal? |
| 20:38.12 | Xinhuan | yes, that one takes the wmo files in the mpqs and reverse engineers it to draw the terrain just like in wow, the wmo format is well known by now, whether its considered legal i don't know |
| 20:38.54 | Ellipsis | Polarina: did you read any of the comments on that page? |
| 20:39.01 | Ellipsis | it sounds like the author got in trouble over it |
| 20:40.31 | Xinhuan | google cache still has details of wmo's file format ;p |
| 20:40.43 | Xinhuan | back when map viewer was available on sourceforge |
| 20:43.33 | Polarina | What OpenGL extensions does that WoW Map Viewer use? |
| 20:43.51 | Xinhuan | forgot, been 3 years since i even used it |
| 20:44.16 | Polarina | GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object? |
| 20:44.17 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r57565 10Ace3/Ace3.lua: Ace3 - fix a small bug in Ace3 standalone when the func errored |
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| 20:46.58 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel 07Beta * r57566 10Ace3/Ace3.lua: Ace3 - fix another bug if no configs are registered |
| 20:47.43 | Polarina | Ah.. I had it disabled, now it works. |
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| 20:49.16 | Xinhuan | people used it mainly to explore instances |
| 20:50.51 | Polarina | Why? |
| 20:51.00 | Xinhuan | like when aq40 first opened |
| 20:51.02 | thul | why explore? |
| 20:51.06 | Xinhuan | ppl wanted to see inside |
| 20:51.15 | Xinhuan | but couldn't kill the bosses |
| 20:51.30 | Polarina | *sigh* |
| 20:53.01 | Thelyna | hm, I just updated using wau, and now my equippable item tooltips have "EH: <some number>" in orange as their bottom line |
| 20:53.11 | Thelyna | and I have no idea which mod is doing it |
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| 20:57.05 | CrazyBenny_ | Thelyna: might be TankPoints option Effective Health |
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| 21:00.14 | GOATEATER | Guild Stats Generator error: "ERROR: Unable to get node attributes; this likely means that we were unable to retrieve data for the entered realm/guild from the Armory. Please check your input and/or try again later." |
| 21:00.24 | GOATEATER | anyone else having that issue? |
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| 21:08.12 | Osstia | Some folks were in here talking last night about a potential change to the armory where after a certain amount of queies the armory stopped responded, or was giving back blank information |
| 21:08.38 | Osstia | I don't have any details/proof, but maybe something like that is impacting you |
| 21:09.17 | GOATEATER | ahh i wonder if it's only certain realms/guilds which are having problems from the armory |
| 21:09.24 | Civrock | That was me. ;) |
| 21:09.47 | Thelyna | ah thanks CrazyBenny |
| 21:11.36 | khangg | Does Mirror not work anymore? |
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| 21:11.58 | CIA-8 | HealComm-2.0: |
| 21:11.58 | CIA-8 | - Fixed typo in LibHealComm-3.0 compatibility code. |
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| 21:13.10 | CIA-8 | InventoryOnPar: |
| 21:13.10 | CIA-8 | - |
| 21:13.10 | CIA-8 | Fixed Debug output left in previous version |
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| 21:18.53 | khangg | anyone know an addon that shows a stat summary of items? |
| 21:20.04 | Chompers | ratingsbuster |
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| 21:21.20 | khangg | ah |
| 21:21.21 | khangg | thanks |
| 21:26.43 | chiper | I was thinking last night that it'd be neat to make a googlemap of azeroth. could do it by extracting the minimap textures |
| 21:27.59 | Antiarc | http://mapwow.com/ |
| 21:28.03 | Codayus | Been done.... |
| 21:28.07 | Codayus | Oops, I'm to slow. |
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| 21:28.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah that sites perty old too |
| 21:28.20 | chiper | nice |
| 21:28.25 | Codayus | Actually, I think it's been done more than once, or the url has changed... |
| 21:28.42 | Codayus | I vaguely recall a german site? Or I might be hallucinating. :-) |
| 21:29.02 | Arrowmaster | that site looks like the one i remember |
| 21:29.18 | chiper | kaldorie |
| 21:29.31 | chiper | http://kaldorei.com/worldmap/ |
| 21:29.40 | chiper | that's the site I've been using |
| 21:29.59 | Codayus | I'm pretty sure I knew of one that ends in .de. The voices in my head tell me so! |
| 21:30.28 | chiper | there's a mirror that ends in .de |
| 21:31.07 | Xuerian | I wish someone would just fix up Yatlas |
| 21:31.19 | Xuerian | Who needs a google map when you can do it in game |
| 21:31.22 | chiper | kaldorei's map is actually a lot cleaner, they touched up the zone borders so it isnt such a rough transition |
| 21:31.29 | haste | Xuerian: sounds like you have a job to do |
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| 21:31.47 | Xuerian | haste: Over my head |
| 21:31.57 | Xuerian | haste: (Read: Lazy!) |
| 21:32.06 | haste | (read: lies) |
| 21:32.38 | Xuerian | (Read: Read: Read: Read: Read: Read: Read: Read: Read: Read: Read: Read: Read: wtf >.>) |
| 21:32.47 | Neros-Sama | o.O |
| 21:33.02 | Xuerian | chiper: Yeah, they did what blizz shoulda done in the first place, and should do now; fix azeroth's crappy zone borders so we can use flying mounts already |
| 21:33.45 | chiper | uhg, infact wowmap is pretty hideous, even if it does let you zoom in more |
| 21:33.58 | Arrowmaster | just because theres a giant hole next to moonglade that goes to the bottem of the map is no reason we shouldnt be able to use flying mounts =( |
| 21:34.40 | NeoTron | it'd probably be quite a lot of work to fix azeroth |
| 21:35.04 | NeoTron | I mean they said that, for example, stormwind has lots of facade-only buildings |
| 21:35.09 | NeoTron | 2-dimensional essentially |
| 21:35.15 | chiper | wow, I never realized there was so much wasted space between stormwind and dun morogh |
| 21:35.48 | chiper | that explains why the FP makes you go through searing gorge |
| 21:36.01 | Arrowmaster | theres an unused zone there |
| 21:36.26 | Arrowmaster | on both sides of burning stepes |
| 21:36.30 | Neros-Sama | Anyone know how to get more Textures to PitBull? ;/ |
| 21:36.47 | Arrowmaster | Neros-Sama: SharedMedia-2.0 |
| 21:36.51 | Neros-Sama | Ah okey, thanks. |
| 21:36.52 | NeoTron | I am sure we'll see a complete azeroth in World of Warcraft 2 |
| 21:37.15 | chiper | oh please, there isnt going to be a WoW2 |
| 21:37.33 | Xuerian | I don't think we'll ever see it really |
| 21:37.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah WoW will be like EQ |
| 21:37.40 | chiper | blizzard's got no reason to completely remake the game |
| 21:37.43 | Arrowmaster | there will be 20 expansions |
| 21:38.48 | Xuerian | There's also the fundamental difference as to how they made cities |
| 21:38.56 | Xuerian | The cities in azeroth zone like the cities in oblivion |
| 21:39.18 | Xuerian | Some do, anyway. |
| 21:39.30 | chiper | how do you mean? |
| 21:39.49 | NeoTron | chiper: right. and there never was an EQ2 |
| 21:39.52 | Xuerian | Ever used Far Sight to look above Undercity? |
| 21:40.12 | chiper | no, what's up there? |
| 21:40.13 | NeoTron | chiper: I said that above (re cities) - lots of them aer just 2-dimensional facades |
| 21:40.16 | NeoTron | fake buildings |
| 21:40.23 | NeoTron | they aren't made to be viewed from above |
| 21:40.25 | chiper | oh, that's what you mean |
| 21:40.38 | NeoTron | and that's just the cities |
| 21:40.41 | Arrowmaster | i love how mapwow is missing that entire pensuila below silverpine, since that zone doesnt even exist anywhere but on the worldmap |
| 21:40.43 | chiper | you say "zone" as a verb and I think of some sort of spacial warping |
| 21:40.53 | Arrowmaster | i know because ive swam 'through' it |
| 21:41.01 | NeoTron | I've climed to a spot once where I ran over the mountain and came down to a mostly flat plane with some odd vertical drops and such |
| 21:41.12 | Xuerian | You can still do that in stonetalon |
| 21:41.22 | NeoTron | that's where I was Xuerian |
| 21:41.29 | NeoTron | above the elite cave thing there I believe |
| 21:41.32 | Xuerian | yep |
| 21:41.42 | Xuerian | you used to be able tod o it anywhere when wall walking was available |
| 21:42.27 | Arrowmaster | very northwest corner of stonetalon? |
| 21:42.51 | Arrowmaster | area with mobs and buildings that you can fly through but cant get to (normally) |
| 21:42.59 | CIA-8 | 03diablohu * r57569 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.cn.lua: |
| 21:42.59 | CIA-8 | AtlasLoot: |
| 21:42.59 | CIA-8 | - zhCN update |
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| 21:43.11 | NeoTron | where I went there was nothing at all |
| 21:43.17 | NeoTron | just flat unfinished land |
| 21:43.31 | Xuerian | There's that area, the flight path candy |
| 21:43.36 | Xuerian | and then there's the flat parts below it |
| 21:43.40 | Xuerian | all the way down to desolace |
| 21:43.40 | chiper | the easiest way to give flight in azeroth is the make invisible barriers and only fix certain trouble spots, like cities and zone edges |
| 21:44.05 | NeoTron | chiper: indeed |
| 21:44.19 | NeoTron | but you also have all the areas you see while flying but which you shouldn't visit |
| 21:44.26 | Arrowmaster | but then the fucked up climates would show up even more |
| 21:44.33 | NeoTron | like the If airport and the troll dance party etc |
| 21:44.35 | Arrowmaster | desert next to a swamp |
| 21:44.39 | Xuerian | neotron: why not? |
| 21:44.46 | NeoTron | and who knows what would be needed to make such areas work |
| 21:44.46 | Xuerian | (what areas +^) |
| 21:45.06 | chiper | neo: nothing needs to be done, as long as you arent falling through the floor |
| 21:45.10 | Xuerian | The only one I can think of is the one south of sfk |
| 21:45.20 | chiper | they dont need to make those areas interactable just because they can be reached |
| 21:45.26 | Xuerian | Just add some stock forest and ruined buildings and you're a-ok |
| 21:45.30 | NeoTron | chiper: unless you can walk through the areas |
| 21:45.42 | NeoTron | and it's very possible you'd fall through in places if you randomly land |
| 21:45.56 | NeoTron | I mean even areas intended to be visited have such issues today still (rarely) |
| 21:46.33 | NeoTron | I think part of it is pride too |
| 21:46.44 | chiper | Xuerian: yeah, that's my thought, they don't need to add content, just block them off |
| 21:46.46 | NeoTron | they don't want to limit flight using abritrary invisible borders |
| 21:46.56 | chiper | yeah, I have heard that before |
| 21:47.05 | Xuerian | NeoTron: Like outlands? |
| 21:47.13 | Xuerian | (like they do in outlands) |
| 21:47.18 | NeoTron | Xuerian: one difference - you can reach all landmass |
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| 21:47.34 | NeoTron | you don't fly over a mountain and just get stuck despite seeing a lot of land ahead of you |
| 21:47.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah i found a spot near BT where i almost got stuck due to damn invisible borders |
| 21:47.55 | Neros-Sama | How do I get the custom background transparent? Anyone knows? |
| 21:47.58 | chiper | Xuerian: how do they limit flight in Outland? the only direction you cant go is up. well, and over the black temple |
| 21:48.12 | Arrowmaster | wrong |
| 21:48.14 | Xuerian | Black temple and the void around outlands p |
| 21:48.16 | Xuerian | :P* |
| 21:48.19 | Arrowmaster | you cant go too far down either |
| 21:48.29 | Arrowmaster | you cant go too far north south east or west |
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| 21:48.42 | chiper | of course, it's space |
| 21:48.47 | Arrowmaster | and i know of one spot where everythings fucked up and theres no way to fly into it |
| 21:48.53 | chiper | they cant be letting people fly out into space |
| 21:49.06 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: BT is the one exception, agreed. I got stuck there once |
| 21:49.20 | Arrowmaster | theres this area north of hellfire that you cant fly into |
| 21:49.24 | Arrowmaster | but you can fly around |
| 21:49.42 | NeoTron | I would attribute that more to bugs |
| 21:49.52 | NeoTron | and it still doesn't limit your access to land areas |
| 21:50.13 | NeoTron | and BT could have a lore reason - invisible shield raised by illidan to protect his fortress |
| 21:50.30 | vithos | Xinhuan: what addon did you use to remove the extra crap from the blizzad actionbars? |
| 21:50.42 | chiper | another solution is to put sentries around the zones that dont have content yet. fly into the zone, you get shot down |
| 21:51.02 | chiper | vithos: CT_Core can do that |
| 21:51.05 | Arrowmaster | if you get shot down theres a chance of landing somewhere you shouldnt be |
| 21:51.14 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah other problem |
| 21:51.15 | chiper | Arrowmaster: by shot down I mean killed |
| 21:51.28 | Arrowmaster | dying and getting back to your corpse |
| 21:52.20 | chiper | why make it different then it is in outland? if you die over the abyss, you cant reach your corpse |
| 21:52.26 | smoke_ | are there arrays in lua? or only tables? |
| 21:52.46 | Arrowmaster | arrays are tables |
| 21:53.01 | smoke_ | k, i can reference them thru index? |
| 21:53.09 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:53.26 | smoke_ | like say i do local text = { test1 = "test1" } i can reference that as text[0]? |
| 21:53.51 | Arrowmaster | and you cant dye in the abyss and not get to your body in outland, if your corpse goes over its placed next to the abyss not in it |
| 21:54.31 | chiper | arrow: so they do the same thing |
| 21:54.40 | chiper | move it inward to areas that can be reached |
| 21:54.53 | Arrowmaster | local text = {}; table.insert(text, "test1"); return text[1] |
| 21:55.17 | chiper | what happens if you die on top of the mountain range between shat and nagrand? |
| 21:55.22 | Arrowmaster | theres no good way to detect if an area can be reached or not though, its easy to tell when your corpse goes into the abyss though |
| 21:55.33 | Arrowmaster | theres a gy up there i think |
| 21:55.42 | Arrowmaster | you used to have to spirit res |
| 21:55.44 | Pernicius | how long does it normaly take to get svn acces? i think it takes so long because of christmas (i hope) |
| 21:56.26 | chiper | pifle, just create a region map of the zone edges. if the corpse is within that map, move it out |
| 21:56.32 | cladhaire | Whoever was in here bitching about LightHeaded not being on the SVN.. is welcome to blow me :P |
| 21:56.35 | Arrowmaster | also when the druid flight form quest came out, if you died in any of the spots for the quest you had to spirit res |
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| 21:56.44 | Twist- | smoke_: http://lua-users.org/wiki/TablesTutorial |
| 21:57.20 | chiper | it's just a different kind of collision map, but it only gets interracted with on death |
| 21:57.25 | Arrowmaster | chiper: zone edges dont equal accessablity, there could be a mountain in the middle of the zone you cant get ontop of other than flying |
| 21:57.41 | smoke_ | thanks |
| 21:57.45 | Arrowmaster | the best solution really is to let ghosts fly imho |
| 21:57.53 | chiper | again, collision map would solve that |
| 21:57.58 | chiper | yes, I agree completely |
| 21:58.04 | chiper | or at least be able to scale cliffs |
| 21:58.07 | Arrowmaster | you cant collision map everything |
| 21:58.30 | chiper | there's no reason a spirit entity can't fly, especially wisps |
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| 21:58.48 | chiper | that's been a complaint since the first day I played |
| 21:59.38 | Antiarc | Sure there is |
| 21:59.40 | Antiarc | Ghost gravity. |
| 21:59.42 | Arrowmaster | you could have one tall mountain that has a ramp up to it and another shorter mountain right next to it with no way to get ontop of it other than jumping off the taller mountain at a high speed (so ghosts cant get ontop of it) |
| 21:59.43 | Twist- | It opens up a lot more room for ressurecting through walls |
| 21:59.49 | Arrowmaster | no way to collosion map that |
| 22:01.35 | GOATEATER | Guild Statistics Generator: "Warning: file_get_contents(http://wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Stonemaul&n=Genesis&p=1) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error in /home/mmo-champion/armory/_armory.php on line 96 |
| 22:01.39 | chiper | arrow: I think you misunderstood my collision map idea. I dont mean that it would prevent things from getting to it, mearly serve as a guide for the server to follow if a person dies within that area. find the nearest edge of the map and move the corpse to it. the map only needs to have a 1bit depth on the x and y axes |
| 22:02.08 | chiper | the game already does this when calculation which GY to send you to |
| 22:02.15 | chiper | *calculating |
| 22:02.47 | chiper | mapwow needs to add stratholm |
| 22:02.54 | Arrowmaster | x y and z imho, you never know with all the weird caves they add |
| 22:03.10 | chiper | mmm, caves, didnt think of that |
| 22:03.12 | Antiarc | Sounds like the armory is pooping out |
| 22:03.22 | GOATEATER | i'll say! lol |
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| 22:05.36 | GOATEATER | i also seem to be getting a partially blank results page |
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| 22:06.16 | GOATEATER | that is, it shows "Ads by Google" "WoW Armory EU Guild" etc. but no results |
| 22:06.51 | CIA-8 | 03xbeeps 07LibHealComm-3.0 * r57570 10LibHealComm-3.0/LibHealComm-3.0.lua: |
| 22:06.51 | CIA-8 | LibHealComm-3.0: |
| 22:06.51 | CIA-8 | - Major restructuring |
| 22:06.51 | CIA-8 | - Improved public interface and more information passed with callbacks |
| 22:09.25 | GOATEATER | Guild Reputation Overview Generator seems to be having problems, as well |
| 22:10.44 | chiper | heh, whenever I look at Teldrassil I'm reminded of Lineage's Singing Island. |
| 22:11.19 | chiper | when Lineage first opened, it only consisted of a single island, about the same size as Teldrassil. they then added the mainland in later patches |
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| 22:14.55 | pprovost | Howdy folks |
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| 22:15.31 | Osstia | howdy |
| 22:16.24 | deltron | hai |
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| 22:19.03 | CIA-8 | 03xbeeps 07Ace3 * r57572 10VisualHeal/ (VisualHeal.lua VisualHealUtils.lua): |
| 22:19.04 | CIA-8 | VisualHeal: |
| 22:19.04 | CIA-8 | - Adapted to changes in LibHealComm-3.0 and other adjustments and optimisations. |
| 22:22.04 | Kivin | Quick Q: If a function returns a really huge table, but that function is never called, does the table ever occupy memory? |
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| 22:23.11 | thecookie | How is WowAceUpdated best used? To make sure all libs get updated too. |
| 22:23.22 | thecookie | WAU2 that is. |
| 22:23.35 | Kivin | sec |
| 22:24.00 | Kivin | If you use a lot of addons with a lot of dependencies, use these settings: |
| 22:24.10 | Kivin | [X] Automatic Dependency Download |
| 22:24.18 | Kivin | [_] Default mode WITH extrenals |
| 22:24.24 | Kivin | [_] Unpack Addons |
| 22:24.39 | Kivin | unchecked everything else |
| 22:24.45 | smoke_ | sorry guys im really new to this, but im modifiying witchhunt to have a whitelist, right now i got it working so i can whitelist 1 ability, but the problem is when i add more abilities the whitelist breaks because im using a return statement to make it bypass the other spells, so if there are 2 if statements it returns it regardless, anyone have any idea what i can do about this? |
| 22:25.11 | Kivin | Sorry, have no idea what that is |
| 22:25.19 | thecookie | Kivin: Thanks, I'll try that |
| 22:25.34 | Kivin | thecookie: That'll put libraries in your interface folder, so they are shared by many addons |
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| 22:25.50 | Kivin | thecookie: rather than putting the libraries in each individual addon, which occupies a lot of cpu time interpreting |
| 22:25.55 | Kivin | ossta: not a word |
| 22:25.58 | Kivin | not a damn word >< |
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| 22:26.05 | Kivin | Osstia* |
| 22:26.14 | thecookie | I think that's what's happening.. not sure how to make sure all libs are updated when I update a addon |
| 22:26.29 | thecookie | As all libs are listed in the "Installed" list too |
| 22:26.33 | Kivin | with the settings I gave you, each time you reinstall/update an addon, it checks the dependencies |
| 22:26.57 | Kivin | if one is missing or out of date, it'll fix that for you |
| 22:27.18 | thecookie | I can't find those exact settings.. File -> Preferences -> General -> Advanced? |
| 22:27.21 | Neros-Sama | Anyone knows how to get the Custom Background on health bars transparent with Pitbull? |
| 22:27.27 | Kivin | uhhh, sec |
| 22:27.35 | Kivin | erm, i'm using version 1.9... |
| 22:27.45 | thecookie | I'm using the Java version |
| 22:27.54 | Kivin | Neros-‚³‚Ü, I don't think you can do that |
| 22:27.54 | thecookie | http://www.wowace.com/wau2/ |
| 22:28.20 | Duman | quick question since people seem semi-on the subject already: I have all of my Ace addons installed "with externals" (I assume this is what makes them all have their own copies of ace2+libs?)... this seems wasteful to me - so what's the best way to have only 1 copy of said libraries, and then each individual addon simply have its base install? |
| 22:28.23 | Duman | or is that not recommended |
| 22:28.45 | Kivin | Excuse the spam |
| 22:28.47 | Osstia | and chuckles |
| 22:28.49 | Kivin | <Kivin> If you use a lot of addons with a lot of dependencies, use these settings: |
| 22:28.49 | Kivin | <Kivin> [X] Automatic Dependency Download |
| 22:28.49 | Kivin | <Kivin> [_] Default mode WITH extrenals |
| 22:28.49 | Kivin | <Kivin> [_] Unpack Addons |
| 22:28.49 | Kivin | <Kivin> unchecked everything else |
| 22:29.03 | Kivin | that's WAU 1.9 |
| 22:29.08 | Kivin | Apparently doesn't work in 2.0 |
| 22:29.08 | Neros-Sama | Meh, thanks anyways Kivin |
| 22:29.19 | Kivin | Neros-‚³‚Ü, sorry ;p |
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| 22:29.46 | Kivin | thecookie: I don't know what to tell you. I avoid Java apps |
| 22:29.53 | dylanm | Does WAU2 work with Macs yet? :p |
| 22:30.02 | Kivin | no clue |
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| 22:30.32 | dylanm | Oh wow it's doing something |
| 22:30.34 | Duman | k... should I force-reinstall all my addons, or will it remove the duplicate libs? |
| 22:30.49 | dylanm | I don't think it will do removal |
| 22:30.57 | Kivin | Duman: You'd better ask Osstia >_< |
| 22:30.57 | dylanm | I know jwowupdater can do that sort of thing |
| 22:31.08 | Duman | hehe |
| 22:31.26 | dylanm | Oh cool it downloaded a bunch of files and then nothing happened hurray |
| 22:31.29 | Osstia | dylanm I haven't seen a verion for the mac, but I haven't looked too hard |
| 22:31.32 | Duman | or did you just give me a circular reference ;) |
| 22:31.52 | dylanm | Osstia: It's a java app. The ostensible advantage of java apps is that they'll work everywhere. |
| 22:31.58 | Kivin | This is the part where I made a Really Big Messc yesterday |
| 22:32.32 | Kivin | Duman: I think someone told me to do a reinstall of everything I had installed. |
| 22:32.44 | Kivin | Duman: But I made such a big mess of it that I just wiped the interface folder clean and started from scratch >_< |
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| 22:33.00 | Duman | heh |
| 22:34.13 | smoke_ | if im doing something like if thisvar == table then return end |
| 22:34.29 | smoke_ | like for table, is there an iterator that checks each element in the table? |
| 22:34.39 | smoke_ | i tried using .foreach() but it doesnt work i dotn think its used that way |
| 22:34.43 | Kivin | for k, v in pairs(t) do |
| 22:34.57 | Kivin | or ipairs if everything is numerically indexed from 1 to n |
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| 22:36.34 | Osstia | I saw a for i, #item in item(n) do or something like that |
| 22:36.47 | Kivin | erm |
| 22:37.04 | Kivin | i think that'd require table "item" to have a __call metatable set to it |
| 22:37.19 | Kivin | metamethod* |
| 22:37.29 | Osstia | Okay |
| 22:37.47 | Osstia | just saw it, I have been reading a lot of addons lately. I don't remember the context it was being used in' |
| 22:38.25 | smoke_ | err |
| 22:38.40 | smoke_ | Kivin, the var v in the for statement you use |
| 22:38.51 | smoke_ | is that the value of table[x]? |
| 22:38.51 | Kivin | that's the value from the table |
| 22:38.56 | Kivin | yeah |
| 22:38.58 | smoke_ | so i can do someting liek |
| 22:39.00 | smoke_ | in the forloop |
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| 22:39.05 | Kivin | each pass it makes, k is the key and v is the value |
| 22:39.13 | smoke_ | ok |
| 22:39.14 | Kivin | if you wanted to duplicate the table, you could do |
| 22:39.22 | smoke_ | well |
| 22:39.22 | Kivin | for k, v in pairs(t) do copy[k] = v end |
| 22:39.26 | smoke_ | in the for loop |
| 22:39.30 | smoke_ | im doing: |
| 22:39.38 | smoke_ | if effect ~= value then return end |
| 22:39.45 | smoke_ | but i dont think that will work |
| 22:40.06 | Kivin | want to make me a pastey of the whole thing, or give me a more detailed explination so i can write up a code snippit |
| 22:40.16 | Kivin | ace.pastey.net |
| 22:40.31 | smoke_ | k |
| 22:40.45 | Kivin | blargh; Lootzor is driving me crazy... |
| 22:40.48 | Nargiddley | from the sound of it you want a table that contains a white list, this is a loop to check if it exists in the table ? |
| 22:41.01 | smoke_ | http://ace.pastey.net/79667 |
| 22:41.11 | smoke_ | basically, whitelist is a table with abilities |
| 22:41.18 | Nargiddley | the better way to do it |
| 22:41.28 | Nargiddley | instead of treating the table like an array |
| 22:41.29 | Kivin | just use: if whitelist[ability] then |
| 22:41.42 | smoke_ | k |
| 22:41.49 | Nargiddley | that wont work with the table as is |
| 22:41.54 | smoke_ | cuz what is happening |
| 22:41.56 | smoke_ | i know whats happening |
| 22:42.08 | Kivin | instead of table.inserting values into it, just use: whitelist[ability] = true, or something |
| 22:42.08 | Nargiddley | to add something to the table do whitelist[ability] = true |
| 22:42.09 | smoke_ | its repeting itself, and when it hits something that isnt that, it returns teh function |
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| 22:42.14 | smoke_ | kk |
| 22:42.21 | Nargiddley | then its if whitelist[ability] to check |
| 22:42.47 | Kivin | key lookups have less overhead than looping through a table that could grow fairly large |
| 22:42.58 | Kivin | more human readable too |
| 22:43.24 | Nargiddley | generally using it as a list is when you need an order, or if the same thing could be duplicated |
| 22:45.22 | Kivin | I never found an answer to my Q: If a function returns a table, but that function is never called, does the table ever occupy memory? |
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| 22:45.53 | Nargiddley | does the function creat the table ? |
| 22:46.10 | Kivin | function x() return { tableWithFiftyBajillionkeys } end |
| 22:46.39 | Kivin | or function x() local r = { bigtable } return r end |
| 22:48.06 | smoke_ | ok |
| 22:48.09 | smoke_ | im doing |
| 22:48.10 | smoke_ | if effect ~= "Cloak of Shadows" then return end |
| 22:48.22 | smoke_ | and that works fine, cloak of shadows displays, but if i do |
| 22:48.33 | smoke_ | if effect ~= whitelist[effect] then return end, some reason its not working |
| 22:48.41 | smoke_ | is there error the way im doign this? |
| 22:48.49 | smoke_ | sorry guys im a big noob :( |
| 22:48.49 | Nargiddley | just if whitelist[effect] then return end |
| 22:48.53 | Nargiddley | no loop at all |
| 22:48.56 | smoke_ | kk |
| 22:49.06 | Nargiddley | you use the name as the key |
| 22:49.07 | Snago | if not whitelist[effect] then return end |
| 22:50.14 | smoke_ | ah yes |
| 22:50.15 | smoke_ | so simple |
| 22:50.27 | smoke_ | thanks alot guys heh, i was just thinking too hard i guess |
| 22:51.16 | Osstia | are changes to saved variables done as they occur? or are they maintained in memory and the flushd to the SV file on exit? |
| 22:51.37 | NeoTron | flushed on exit |
| 22:51.38 | Snago | flushed at exit or ui reload |
| 22:51.40 | NeoTron | or on /reloadui |
| 22:51.49 | Osstia | thank you |
| 22:51.54 | Kivin | Nargiddley:I take it you don't know the answer to my Q? |
| 22:52.14 | Nargiddley | the table wont take up memory |
| 22:52.20 | Kivin | ok, ty |
| 22:52.28 | Nargiddley | the bytecode for the function will tho |
| 22:54.39 | RaydenUni | i want to tank, but i don't want to level |
| 22:55.08 | mort | welcome to the club ;) |
| 22:56.35 | mort | i'm starting to buy feral gear for my resto druid so i can tank a bit too |
| 22:57.03 | RaydenUni | my druid is 29 and my warrior is 18 |
| 22:57.06 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 22:57.51 | Kivin | I've been seriously considering leveling a second paladin to 70 |
| 22:58.01 | Kivin | So my current one can stay Retribution and I can have a prot pally too |
| 22:58.20 | Osstia | I am lvl'ing a bear tank right now |
| 22:58.23 | mort | i have a lvl62 paladin too but i find paladin tanking kind of dull ;) |
| 22:58.35 | Osstia | I am a career healer though, so tanking is nerve wracking for me |
| 22:58.57 | RaydenUni | i started out wanting to heal, then decided shadow > healng for leveling |
| 22:59.01 | Kivin | I have a resto shaman in a kara raid and a freelance ret paladin |
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| 22:59.05 | RaydenUni | and then enjoyed really being shadow for dungeons and now KZ |
| 22:59.09 | RaydenUni | but i want to tank |
| 22:59.14 | Osstia | I lvl'd 40-60 shadow back at release |
| 22:59.24 | Osstia | then went Disc/Holy, and have been for the past 3 years |
| 22:59.27 | thecookie | ckknight: You still patching PitBull? Can't seem to copy profiles. |
| 22:59.33 | smoke_ | hmm |
| 22:59.36 | Osstia | trie shadow for about 2 days at 70 and went back |
| 22:59.46 | Kivin | thecookie: That's Broken As Intended |
| 22:59.51 | RaydenUni | i really like my spriest |
| 22:59.55 | thecookie | ;o |
| 23:00.00 | RaydenUni | finally have enough healing gear though to heal some non heroics |
| 23:00.15 | thecookie | Kivin: It is? |
| 23:00.18 | RaydenUni | it's very sad, my healing blues do more +heal than my 90% epic spriest gear |
| 23:00.25 | RaydenUni | for +shadow dmg |
| 23:00.34 | Kivin | thecookie: one of those things that's always been broken and, probably will always BE broken... unless someone fixes it for CK |
| 23:00.45 | smoke_ | ok |
| 23:00.47 | thecookie | I see. |
| 23:00.55 | smoke_ | im at the same line guys im pathetic |
| 23:00.57 | thecookie | Wasn't it CK that implemted it? ;p |
| 23:01.01 | thecookie | The profile thingy. |
| 23:01.02 | smoke_ | im trying to debug why its not matching up but |
| 23:01.05 | smoke_ | if effect ~= whitelist["Cloak of Shadows"] then return end |
| 23:01.18 | Kivin | Ck wrote the whole rock framework, including the config/profiling |
| 23:01.20 | thecookie | Seems to be using LibRockDB too.. Which is his |
| 23:01.25 | smoke_ | isnt working, and "Cloak of Shadows" is a key in the whitelist table... |
| 23:01.53 | smoke_ | im doing self:Print(effect), and its displaying as "Witchhunt: Cloak of Shadows" on my chat frame |
| 23:01.58 | Kivin | To get a 3-line fix commited into LibRockConfig, I had to write it myself and beg people for a week :P |
| 23:02.14 | smoke_ | if i dont use the table, and just do if effect ~= "Cloak of Shadows" then return end it works |
| 23:02.26 | mort | i enjoy healing as a druid but sometimes i have the urge to tank something, the good thing is i just need some gear and 50g to do everything i want as a druid ;) |
| 23:02.26 | smoke_ | whats wrong with my syntax on the table part? |
| 23:02.33 | Nargiddley | if not whitelist["Cloak of Shadows"] then return end |
| 23:02.34 | thecookie | CK is my bitch so all should be fine |
| 23:02.38 | Arrowmaster | whats the value in the table? |
| 23:02.41 | Nargiddley | you dont need to compare with the name again |
| 23:02.57 | Kivin | thecookie: while you're at it, get him to fix the right-clicking on non-blizzard unit frames |
| 23:03.03 | smoke_ | effect is a var that is getting passed in the argument in my function |
| 23:03.16 | Kivin | thecookie: I asked him the other night and he said that was broken as intended, as well |
| 23:03.19 | Nargiddley | if not whitelist[effect] then return end |
| 23:03.29 | smoke_ | thats the thing, is that doesnt work |
| 23:03.32 | thecookie | How fail |
| 23:03.38 | smoke_ | err |
| 23:03.40 | Nargiddley | how do you define the table ? |
| 23:03.50 | Kivin | table = {} |
| 23:03.55 | smoke_ | local whitelist = { "Cloak of Shadows", "Evasion", } |
| 23:04.04 | Arrowmaster | thats all wrong |
| 23:04.09 | Nargiddley | local whitelist = { "Cloak of Shadows" = true, "Evasion" = true, } |
| 23:04.12 | smoke_ | DAMN, why am i so terrible |
| 23:04.15 | smoke_ | k |
| 23:04.22 | Kivin | i think that'll error |
| 23:04.24 | Nargiddley | wait |
| 23:04.26 | Kivin | local whitelist = { ["Cloak of Shadows"] = true, ["Evasion"] = true, } |
| 23:04.29 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 23:04.46 | smoke_ | k |
| 23:05.46 | smoke_ | thanks alot guys |
| 23:05.51 | Kivin | yw |
| 23:05.53 | smoke_ | it finally fixed |
| 23:06.07 | smoke_ | wowow, just like 2 lines, and i was trying to make it a for loop the whole time im bad :( |
| 23:06.15 | Kivin | :) live and learn |
| 23:06.39 | Kivin | you don't always have to do things the "best" way to make it servicable, either |
| 23:08.23 | smoke_ | yeah definately |
| 23:08.34 | smoke_ | but that was the best way haha, i was just overlooking the simple stuff i guess |
| 23:09.10 | Kivin | tables <3 |
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| 23:10.33 | NeoTron | it sucks that names go away when you hide the UI now |
| 23:10.41 | NeoTron | screenshots on boss kills are a lot nicer with it enabled |
| 23:10.51 | Kivin | heh |
| 23:11.16 | Kivin | I think the last time we took a screenie of a boss kill was Rag |
| 23:11.44 | Xuerian | Screenies are so last year. |
| 23:11.51 | Xuerian | Boss kill movies ftw |
| 23:12.41 | NeoTron | Kivin: and it was also the last boss you killed? :P |
| 23:12.53 | NeoTron | I findit fun to look back at old kill shots (and dates) |
| 23:12.55 | Kivin | NeoTron: No, I've been putting Kara on farm status these past few months |
| 23:16.36 | NeoTron | We killed Attumen on Feb 18th and didn't clear it until April 12th. pretty sad start |
| 23:16.47 | Kivin | Not really |
| 23:17.25 | Wogroipl | almost got 3 timed bosses in ZA :) |
| 23:17.30 | Kivin | We've put Huntsman through Aran on farm in about 6-7 weeks, though we had some shifty pickup-type weekends a few times |
| 23:17.38 | smoke_ | since i made these modifcations for witchhunt, when i use WAU will it overrite whatever i changed? |
| 23:17.42 | NeoTron | almost 2 months to clear it wasn't that gread. mind you it was harder back then |
| 23:17.44 | Kivin | We've been 3 weeks in a row on Prince, never got him past 25% |
| 23:17.49 | smoke_ | or is it like svn and just adds whats updated? |
| 23:17.54 | NeoTron | Kivin: need more dps it seems |
| 23:18.04 | Kivin | NeoTron: I don't think so |
| 23:18.21 | NeoTron | it's either dps or better healing |
| 23:18.28 | smoke_ | how are you guys dying? |
| 23:18.33 | NeoTron | or better geared tank... |
| 23:18.35 | NeoTron | it's not luck :) |
| 23:18.37 | Kivin | I think the healers need to cope with Prince's phase shifts better |
| 23:18.40 | smoke_ | yeah prince is pretty simple |
| 23:18.41 | Kivin | Prince is luck |
| 23:18.47 | NeoTron | no prince is not luck |
| 23:18.50 | Kivin | whatever |
| 23:18.52 | NeoTron | a very minor part of it is luck |
| 23:18.55 | NeoTron | it's primarily DPS |
| 23:19.03 | smoke_ | yeah, you technically can have bad infernals |
| 23:19.12 | smoke_ | but it shouldnt be that much of aproblem, your players can adjust to that |
| 23:19.15 | NeoTron | if you have enough DPS he dies before "luck" becomes a real factor unless you don't correctly reposition mid-fight |
| 23:19.35 | Osstia | The only difficulty on prince is infernals |
| 23:19.45 | Osstia | but in my experience most wipes are from stupid people |
| 23:19.48 | NeoTron | Osstia: and the fact that he hits like a truck |
| 23:20.06 | Wogroipl | basically then tank/healer combo should be good enough to last through phase 2 |
| 23:20.11 | NeoTron | a good infernal caller can help a lot |
| 23:20.11 | Osstia | he's never hit our tanks harder than we can heal |
| 23:20.11 | HIghoS | If he hits like a truck, your tank isn't geared enough. |
| 23:20.24 | HIghoS | Or isn't using consumables :P |
| 23:20.24 | Osstia | ^^ |
| 23:20.26 | NeoTron | Osstia: sometimes he hits 4 times in like 1 second |
| 23:20.34 | Wogroipl | and blow cooldowns in phase 3 to end it quickly |
| 23:20.37 | NeoTron | some badk luck can get you 3 crushing blows or even 4 |
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| 23:20.57 | NeoTron | bloodlust/heroism can help a lot in phase 3 |
| 23:20.59 | HIghoS | Ok, if you parse the logs and you get 3-4 crushings, all I can say is 'sucks to be you'. |
| 23:21.09 | Kivin | <NeoTron> no prince is not luck |
| 23:21.12 | Kivin | <NeoTron> some badk luck can get you 3 crushing blows or even 4 |
| 23:21.28 | Osstia | I have never lost a tank to sheer DPS from the prince |
| 23:21.30 | NeoTron | Kivin: it's not luck based but as with any fights you can have occasional bad luck |
| 23:21.36 | Osstia | its always a healer being a dumbass |
| 23:21.48 | HIghoS | Osstia, I've died from DPS on prince. But that was when we still had greens >.> |
| 23:21.49 | Osstia | or the tank taking off out of range without telling someone |
| 23:22.00 | HIghoS | Once we learned that ironshields are the shit, that really helped though too. |
| 23:22.14 | HIghoS | *now hordes his massive stash of motes of earth and ancient lichen like his life depends on it* |
| 23:22.24 | Osstia | hehe |
| 23:22.24 | HIghoS | (which ironicly.. alot of the time it does now, in most of the content I do, lol) |
| 23:22.32 | NeoTron | point me to any fight where you can't wipe from occasional bad luck ;-) |
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| 23:22.37 | HIghoS | ^ |
| 23:22.51 | Osstia | Attumen |
| 23:23.12 | NeoTron | for example on gorefiend our MT died 5 seconds into the fight due to two >10k crushing hits in one second (lolparry) |
| 23:23.31 | HIghoS | I've had that happen to me before :/ |
| 23:23.47 | HIghoS | Oh man, there was this one time on fathom lord, where I lagged |
| 23:24.05 | HIghoS | and went in ahead of everyone else... paladin LoH was only thing that saved that kill. |
| 23:24.11 | HIghoS | poor pally did the entire fight OOM, lmao |
| 23:24.23 | HIghoS | talk about healing aggro when he crit heals you for 17k though, lol |
| 23:25.10 | NeoTron | I've only tanked Kara and ZA |
| 23:25.12 | NeoTron | my main is a lock |
| 23:25.19 | NeoTron | well not quite true >:-) |
| 23:25.28 | NeoTron | I've tanked on Leotheras, Kael'thas and illidan too |
| 23:25.39 | HIghoS | Aww.. Leo. The fight that proves how dumb DPS can be. |
| 23:25.56 | NeoTron | yep |
| 23:26.14 | NeoTron | we failed for two weeks to repeat our first kill |
| 23:26.33 | NeoTron | dps insisting they needed to do more DPS when the real issue wasn't lack of DPS per se but DPSers being stupid and dying. repeatedly. for hours. |
| 23:26.34 | HIghoS | Never had that problem, luckily. |
| 23:26.42 | HIghoS | We still wipe on morowgrim though, repeatly. |
| 23:27.09 | HIghoS | Once we got leo, we had him and at most we had was 2 wipes and then a kill, which is ok. |
| 23:27.20 | HIghoS | But to this day, we can freaking wipe all night long on morowgrim. |
| 23:27.32 | HIghoS | Allthough, I am way more forgiving to DPS on that fight, given what they have todo |
| 23:27.42 | HIghoS | (and the fact that we have no good tankadin to cheese that fight) |
| 23:28.01 | NeoTron | with 2-3 mages and 2-4 locks you don't need a tankadin |
| 23:28.16 | vithos | i thought you can also use a holy pally |
| 23:28.17 | NeoTron | holy pallies can collect then, locks put SoC up and mages frost nova rotation |
| 23:28.25 | Arrowmaster | i tanked our first leo kill, next week we spent 4 hours wiping with another lock tanking, since then up until a few weeks ago i tanked every attempt starting with the night after that 4 hours of wipes |
| 23:28.42 | NeoTron | of course it does require the AoE to wait until it is called - premature AoE can quickly cause problems |
| 23:28.58 | HIghoS | ^ |
| 23:29.09 | HIghoS | We use a holly pally w/ RF to draw aggro into one spot |
| 23:29.13 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: I've always tanked everything as a lock. I guess because I'm the raid leader and I'm always there |
| 23:29.16 | HIghoS | 2 prot warriors to collect them so he doesn't get insta gib |
| 23:29.23 | NeoTron | even AR tanked pre-nerf Solarian |
| 23:29.24 | HIghoS | with a frost trap on the ground so that dps can kite shit if they have aggro |
| 23:29.27 | HIghoS | (we have our feral tank him) |
| 23:29.37 | Arrowmaster | ive tanked every kael attempt too |
| 23:29.51 | Arrowmaster | and im like the lowest ranked lock in the guild other than alts |
| 23:29.53 | NeoTron | leotheras is the most interesting one |
| 23:30.07 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: sucks to be you? :P |
| 23:30.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah it does |
| 23:30.32 | Arrowmaster | since raiders get first priority on loot |
| 23:30.53 | mort | just spec nether protection and wipe the raid a few times ;) |
| 23:31.27 | Arrowmaster | we dont do ssc much anymore |
| 23:31.37 | Arrowmaster | so atleast i dont have to blow 100g a week on that |
| 23:31.40 | NeoTron | mort: so I had nether prot when first doing illidan |
| 23:31.43 | NeoTron | it was.. interesting |
| 23:31.55 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: ah I just specced felguard |
| 23:32.03 | NeoTron | works for tanking and excellent dps too |
| 23:32.26 | Arrowmaster | ive got trash gear for anything other than affliction |
| 23:32.35 | Arrowmaster | only like 10% tooltip crit |
| 23:33.40 | NeoTron | I sat out a raid last week |
| 23:34.08 | NeoTron | was unusually weird but I had to pay later whne I did DKP manually |
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