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| 00:00.24 | sag_ich_nicht | how would you do that bigzero |
| 00:00.27 | sag_ich_nicht | and where did you get that idea |
| 00:00.39 | bigzero | i got it like yesterday |
| 00:00.39 | Peragor | Anyone else getting a 403 forbidden error when trying to commit to the SVN?? |
| 00:00.45 | Kivin | Well, would be cool if LOD addons were reversable. |
| 00:00.47 | Kivin | Unload on demand ;p |
| 00:00.48 | bigzero | working on the addon as we speak |
| 00:01.11 | sag_ich_nicht | Peragor the SVN is propagating to files atm, wait a minute and it will work fine |
| 00:01.20 | Peragor | Ok thanks |
| 00:01.32 | bigzero | the thing is, sag_ich_nicht, it will work by reloading the UI (2 times actually) when you switch profiles |
| 00:01.45 | sag_ich_nicht | bigzero great. my reloadui takes 2 minutes. |
| 00:01.47 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 00:02.23 | bigzero | well, that's 4 minutes of waiting and then you can have a totally different UI setup for when you're pvping, pveing, gathering, sitting in org, raiding |
| 00:02.33 | Lyfe | 2 minutes? |
| 00:02.47 | sag_ich_nicht | or i can just have a ton of ram and hide what i don't need using normal Ace2/Rock profiles? |
| 00:02.53 | sag_ich_nicht | Lyfe: have a lot of addons. |
| 00:02.56 | bigzero | besides, since the addon will disable a lot of mods, you won't have to wait 2 minutes. |
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| 00:03.13 | sag_ich_nicht | i need all the mods i have in all the situations i am in, at some point. |
| 00:03.14 | Lyfe | sag_ich_nicht: i'll pretend i don't.. but damn, that's a long reloadui time. |
| 00:03.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Offenderserv is running Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) on an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ at 2.60 GHz with 1694/2048MB (82.71%) RAM free. |
| 00:03.22 | sag_ich_nicht | It has an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX running at 1680x1050x32bpp 60Hz, SB Live! 24-bit, and 544.91 GB of 1294.81 GB available on 2 drive(s). |
| 00:03.40 | sag_ich_nicht | as i already said, lots of addons. not my machine. :P |
| 00:03.41 | bigzero | sag_ich_nicht, so like you need Gatherer for raiding... |
| 00:03.49 | sag_ich_nicht | bigzero i don't use gatherer. |
| 00:03.57 | bigzero | besides the point |
| 00:04.26 | sag_ich_nicht | i use cartographer, and yes i need it, if that ever annoying guild mate asks me what the best place to collect herb xyz is while we clear trash. |
| 00:04.32 | bigzero | I'm just making it, because I need a different UI for my druid when he raids...but I don't want it for soloing and stuff |
| 00:04.54 | sag_ich_nicht | bigzero point is |
| 00:04.56 | NivFreak | bigzero: I'm a huge supporter of your idea |
| 00:04.57 | sag_ich_nicht | that already exists |
| 00:05.06 | sag_ich_nicht | it's called AddonLoader + ACP. |
| 00:05.07 | NivFreak | in fact |
| 00:05.09 | sag_ich_nicht | noobs. |
| 00:05.12 | NivFreak | right now, I replace my Addons.txt |
| 00:05.14 | NivFreak | for raids |
| 00:05.20 | NivFreak | and then replace it again afterward |
| 00:05.21 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 00:05.26 | bigzero | sag_ich_nicht, i asked around...but noone knew it |
| 00:05.40 | sag_ich_nicht | well i do. |
| 00:05.44 | bigzero | sag_ich_nicht, it would also load different settings for each addon, not just different addons |
| 00:06.11 | sag_ich_nicht | that's what Ace2/Rock profiles are for. if you have an addon that doesn't use those, /bonk the author for not including SOME profile option. |
| 00:06.18 | NivFreak | also, I wish I had a fast way to change my entire UI between settings for arena and raids :) |
| 00:06.21 | NivFreak | and solo |
| 00:06.37 | sag_ich_nicht | NivFreak profiles + AddonLoader + ACP |
| 00:06.37 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 00:06.57 | mort | and different screen resolutions... |
| 00:07.01 | bigzero | lol...not all addons use profiles. and a lot of them don't use profiles correctly |
| 00:07.13 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
| 00:07.13 | bigzero | mort, that will probably be supported |
| 00:07.14 | CIA-4 | 03slake333 * r58088 10Scrub/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 00:07.14 | CIA-4 | Scrub: 1.1.5 |
| 00:07.14 | CIA-4 | - HUNTER: Removed Partial Marksmanship check |
| 00:07.14 | CIA-4 | - PALADIN: Toughness (PvP) check relaxed to 3 ranks for Holy specs |
| 00:07.14 | CIA-4 | - ROGUE: Removed Multiple Weapon Specialization check |
| 00:07.15 | CIA-4 | - WARLOCK: Removed Improved Voidwalker check |
| 00:07.17 | CIA-4 | - WARLOCK: Removed Improved Succubus check |
| 00:07.35 | bigzero | mort, assuming blizzard didn't make those settings super hidden |
| 00:07.41 | sag_ich_nicht | so how are you going to include profiles |
| 00:07.44 | bigzero | i haven't checked yet |
| 00:07.51 | sag_ich_nicht | for an addon that doesn't use profiles bigzero? |
| 00:08.07 | bigzero | sag_ich_nicht, you take a snapshot of certain variables for each addon |
| 00:08.22 | Antiarc | That's a dangerous assumption |
| 00:08.31 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks for showing up, Antiarc. |
| 00:08.47 | Antiarc | An addon's state tends to be a lot more than just the value of its savedvariables |
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| 00:09.01 | Antiarc | There's usually a lot of setup and stuff that happens per-addon based on those variables. |
| 00:09.05 | bigzero | hmm, i've thought of it and I can't think of why it would be. I'm not going to be copying all the variables. basically just the layout ones |
| 00:09.10 | Peragor | Hmm, still can't commit. Is the zip file creation still going on? |
| 00:09.28 | Antiarc | Well, Omen, for example, takes its layout variables and then does some anchoring/positioning voodoo based on them |
| 00:09.46 | Antiarc | Just the position variables themselves only get you halfway |
| 00:10.01 | Antiarc | You need the setup methods which use those variables to really make things work right |
| 00:10.12 | bigzero | Antiarc, but any changes you make to the addon that persist through ui reloads need to be saved in variables, so if i put those values in, reload ui. bam, i got the setup |
| 00:10.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Peragor nope |
| 00:10.24 | sag_ich_nicht | if it doesn't work, ur doin it rong |
| 00:10.28 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: |
| 00:10.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:13] <sag_ich_nicht> maybe someone can verify, go to about 50,23 in shadowmoon valley, engage Lakaan while he's under his shield, kill one of the nearby water elementals (make sure to not get out of combat in between) then alternate targets between the dead water elemental and Lakaan and watch the TPS value in Omen/Threat-1.0 |
| 00:10.45 | Antiarc | sag_ich_nicht: I'll check it out. Thanks. |
| 00:10.45 | sag_ich_nicht | i know this might be intended behaviour for multimob situations |
| 00:10.50 | sag_ich_nicht | but i wanted to get confirmation |
| 00:10.51 | Antiarc | What happens? |
| 00:10.53 | NivFreak | btw, I pissed pitbull off |
| 00:11.00 | NivFreak | I disabled a bunch of modules |
| 00:11.08 | NivFreak | trying to build a minimum raiding set |
| 00:11.10 | Peragor | Hmm, haven't changed anything... It's been working right along up to now. Do they disable your password if you are inactive on SVN after a month or so? |
| 00:11.14 | clad|sleep | there are addons that already do this, such as AddOnAddOff |
| 00:11.15 | NivFreak | and it reverted my bar textures |
| 00:11.16 | clad|sleep | among others |
| 00:11.17 | NivFreak | =/ |
| 00:11.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: the values kind of get stuck for the dead mob |
| 00:11.25 | clad|sleep | (at least the multiple addon setups) |
| 00:11.39 | Antiarc | sag_ich_nicht: It's not stuck so much as "on hold" |
| 00:11.41 | bigzero | clad|sleep, do they change the settings as well? |
| 00:11.47 | clad|sleep | but, sag_ich_nicht and Antiarc, I agree with you, and as a result can sleep well |
| 00:11.48 | Antiarc | It stops calculating TPS on a target after a certain period of inactivity |
| 00:11.53 | clad|sleep | knowing this one is well under control ;-) |
| 00:11.57 | Antiarc | To save CPU |
| 00:12.11 | Antiarc | Since if there's not activity on it, you don't really care about TPS on it |
| 00:12.16 | sag_ich_nicht | clad|sleep wait what |
| 00:12.18 | sag_ich_nicht | we all three |
| 00:12.23 | sag_ich_nicht | agreeing on the same thing? |
| 00:12.38 | clad|sleep | bigzero: you can't _change_ settings |
| 00:12.41 | clad|sleep | without knowing how the addon works |
| 00:13.01 | bigzero | clad|sleep, meh, only need to look at the source code :-) |
| 00:13.10 | clad|sleep | sure, you can do it in specific situations but there's no general solution |
| 00:13.16 | Kivin | Read ckknight's source code recently? |
| 00:13.39 | bigzero | i'm not saying it'll be easy to implement support for them, but I don't see anything that's impossible to do yet |
| 00:14.11 | bigzero | Kivin, also adding ability for addons to register the variables that need saving with the mod, so maybe authors will start using that |
| 00:14.13 | CIA-4 | 03gagorian * r58089 10DrDamage/Data/Priest.lua: |
| 00:14.13 | CIA-4 | DrDamage: |
| 00:14.13 | CIA-4 | - Priest healing T5 4 part set bonus seems to have been left out, fixed! |
| 00:14.22 | clad|sleep | bigzero: i'm saying its not worth the effort |
| 00:14.26 | clad|sleep | for anyone |
| 00:14.33 | bigzero | clad|sleep, i'm bored :-P |
| 00:14.57 | clad|sleep | i can write a simple macro that changes my addonaddoff set, and sets the profiles for any addons that need to change TODAY |
| 00:15.02 | Kivin | The idea of something external to pitbull changing pitbull stuff kind of disquiets me |
| 00:15.03 | thoughtlover | Is there any chance of Threat-1.0 taking aggro reducing trinkets into account? I mean.. is it even possible? |
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| 00:15.10 | clad|sleep | ask jncl how much he likes supporting Skinner, having to keep up with other addons |
| 00:15.25 | clad|sleep | or hell, ask me how much of a pain in the ass it was supporting the whopping 25 addons I supported for Clique |
| 00:15.26 | Antiarc | thoughtlover: It's possible, yes |
| 00:15.31 | clad|sleep | and those are addons that provide novel functionality! |
| 00:15.43 | Antiarc | I just haven't coded them all up because the amount dropped is so small that it's usually insignificant |
| 00:15.52 | thoughtlover | ahh |
| 00:16.07 | Antiarc | There isn't really anyone that uses -threat trinkets in the endgame, so it's been low priority :) |
| 00:16.22 | clad|sleep | bigzero: *shrug* |
| 00:16.27 | thoughtlover | yeah.. I have em up sometimes when I know my heals will hit for alot |
| 00:16.29 | clad|sleep | as someone in the community |
| 00:16.41 | clad|sleep | i'd rather see you do somethign that isn't inventing the wheel |
| 00:16.41 | clad|sleep | its just better for everyone involved |
| 00:16.53 | clad|sleep | but whatevs |
| 00:17.01 | bigzero | well, i'll see how this works out. so far I don't see anything I shouldn't be able to do |
| 00:17.11 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:15] <+clad|sleep> or hell, ask me how much of a pain in the ass it was supporting the whopping 25 addons I supported for Clique <--*cough*RDX*cough* |
| 00:18.08 | thoughtlover | My real question is about Ace3: Aceserializer-3.0 |
| 00:18.08 | clad|sleep | sag_ich_nicht: rdx wasn't that bad.. since i never supported it :P |
| 00:18.20 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah but still |
| 00:18.27 | sag_ich_nicht | you know what i am refering to :P |
| 00:18.30 | clad|sleep | wow.. my irc latency is like 15 seconds right now. |
| 00:18.38 | clad|sleep | How very odd. |
| 00:18.48 | clad|sleep | indeed |
| 00:19.02 | MentalPower | MacOSX SVN client suggestions anyone? |
| 00:19.30 | NightHawkAtWork | terminal ;) |
| 00:19.51 | NightHawkAtWork | or, you might look into SCPlugin |
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| 00:20.07 | zac | MentalPower: there's no good one, but http://www.versionsapp.com/ will be good if it ever comes out |
| 00:20.18 | durcyn | http://www.versionsapp.com/ looks like it might not suck |
| 00:20.31 | NivFreak | is detox dead? |
| 00:20.37 | thoughtlover | Is it intentional that AceSerializer-3.0 throws an error when it is fed a function. I understand the reasons for not sending a function, but why not just not send the function instead of throwing an error? |
| 00:20.38 | clad|sleep | MentalPower: compile svn == win :P |
| 00:21.04 | MentalPower | thoughtlover: cause you can't use it at the other end |
| 00:21.29 | MentalPower | thoughtlover: loadstring() on a string.dump()'ed function fails in WoW |
| 00:21.36 | thoughtlover | true.. but if you are sending an table.. and one of the parameters is a function. |
| 00:21.51 | clad|sleep | what kind of error does it throw |
| 00:21.54 | clad|sleep | an assertion |
| 00:21.58 | clad|sleep | or a lower level error? |
| 00:22.05 | thoughtlover | It just say "cant send tables" essentially" |
| 00:22.15 | thoughtlover | ack |
| 00:22.22 | thoughtlover | "cant send functions" |
| 00:22.42 | clad|sleep | then its an intentional error |
| 00:22.46 | NivFreak | hrmm, I think I'm going try and ween myself off healbot, and give grid/clique a try |
| 00:22.48 | clad|sleep | it can't properly serialize your table |
| 00:23.18 | MentalPower | thoughtlover: suggest an ignoreFunctions parameter to that function |
| 00:24.03 | thoughtlover | ahh.. is that part of AceSerializer-3.0? |
| 00:24.04 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 00:24.08 | thoughtlover | looking |
| 00:24.25 | Ellipsis | hm |
| 00:24.33 | Ellipsis | are bidding/buying out auctions protected functions now? |
| 00:25.18 | MentalPower | thoughtlover: I said suggest it, not that its present right now |
| 00:25.26 | NivFreak | I've always wanted auctioneer to let me say "Buy 50 super mana pots for no more than 1G each" |
| 00:25.27 | MentalPower | (tho it might be) |
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| 00:25.45 | MentalPower | NivFreak: http://jira.norganna.org |
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| 00:28.09 | Kerafyrm | Is there a addon to Itemsync to allow tab completion on chat windows? |
| 00:28.47 | sag_ich_nicht | not that i know of |
| 00:28.48 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 00:28.51 | sag_ich_nicht | you could try uh |
| 00:29.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Saeris new stuff found here: http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=40088 |
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| 00:29.27 | sag_ich_nicht | it's a lot of addons to download tho because he made it a bit... too modular. |
| 00:29.31 | Ellipsis | did auctioneer break this patch? |
| 00:29.34 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 00:29.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno |
| 00:29.40 | Ellipsis | it's throwing errors when I run a scan |
| 00:29.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll only get it in 1 1/2 hours |
| 00:29.52 | Ellipsis | but I don't know how old this copy is (on my bf's comp) |
| 00:30.13 | sag_ich_nicht | probably ages old |
| 00:30.18 | aestil | liez, no one believes you have a boyfriend. |
| 00:30.41 | Ellipsis | o rly? |
| 00:30.45 | Kivin | ~framexml |
| 00:30.46 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 00:30.55 | aestil | i dunno. i just felt like being obnoxious. |
| 00:31.11 | Ellipsis | you don't have to try at that |
| 00:31.12 | Ellipsis | :) |
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| 00:31.17 | aestil | sad times for me. stepped out of raiding. archimonde was the first boss kill i havn't been on 'first' for us since mag. |
| 00:31.51 | MentalPower | Ellipsis: care to pastey said errors? |
| 00:32.12 | MentalPower | and run /aadv about |
| 00:32.14 | MentalPower | that will print out the version |
| 00:32.28 | Ellipsis | it's the classic version, and it's "SetUIPanel" being nil |
| 00:32.33 | Ellipsis | but lemme go pastey it from his comp |
| 00:33.21 | MentalPower | Ellipsis: http://jira.norganna.org <--Add an issue there with the pastey |
| 00:33.25 | Ellipsis | *shrug* he complains that aucadv doesn't let him set up his prices the way he likes :P |
| 00:33.29 | Ellipsis | kk |
| 00:34.54 | thoughtlover | MentalPower: Ok.. I'll do that. I currently have a table that has specifications that needs to be shared with other clients.. but it also passes callback functions which dont need to be passed. With the current form of AceSerializer-3.0, I'd have to make a copy of the array without the callbacks. |
| 00:35.36 | MentalPower | thoughtlover: yeah, just ask for that feature |
| 00:35.40 | RaydenUni | my clever plan to queue for AV while napping failed |
| 00:35.49 | RaydenUni | the queue went faster than i thought or something |
| 00:35.55 | RaydenUni | for when my nap ended i was not in a queue |
| 00:36.08 | thoughtlover | sorry.. not a big irc user.. dunno how to send PMs ;p |
| 00:36.13 | MentalPower | Ellipsis: tis ok, we still "support" classic, but only with bugfixes, no new features will be added |
| 00:36.33 | MentalPower | thoughtlover: you don't, ask for the feature on the Ace forums |
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| 00:36.43 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:33] <Ellipsis> *shrug* he complains that aucadv doesn't let him set up his prices the way he likes :P <--gah just run both along and stfu |
| 00:36.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm still doing that |
| 00:36.47 | MentalPower | or just ping whoever the maintainer is |
| 00:36.51 | RaydenUni | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.55 | sag_ich_nicht | because aadv is still not getting the prices right for me |
| 00:36.56 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 00:36.59 | RaydenUni | maybe depends on your client |
| 00:37.02 | MentalPower | RaydenUni: not if he's not registered |
| 00:37.40 | kergoth | aadv works flawlessly for me. /shrug. sometimes i switch to stddev or simple to avoid one or hte other influencing the other, since market value is an average across the stat modules |
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| 00:38.29 | bigzero | RaydenUni, lol...i was a little surprised when you decided to afk for AV queue. queues on our server are pretty short |
| 00:38.31 | MentalPower | kergoth: its on the ToDo list to add weights to that average |
| 00:38.39 | RaydenUni | bigzero 1hr 45 minutes? |
| 00:38.40 | kergoth | ah, nice |
| 00:38.45 | MentalPower | time, I just need 10x as many hours in a day |
| 00:38.48 | Ellipsis | oh bother, how do I make an account on that jira? |
| 00:38.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:38.51 | RaydenUni | today they are 1:15 |
| 00:39.03 | MentalPower | Ellipsis: use the forum account |
| 00:39.04 | RaydenUni | but like i said, nap + queue = awesome |
| 00:39.09 | Ellipsis | forum account from what forum? |
| 00:39.14 | bigzero | RaydenUni, lrn2nap for shorter periods of time? |
| 00:39.20 | RaydenUni | i was tired |
| 00:39.21 | MentalPower | Ellipsis: if you don't have a forum account, create one http://forums.norganna.org |
| 00:39.36 | Ellipsis | ah, ty |
| 00:39.45 | bigzero | you can just turn your speakers up and you'll hear the queue pop up |
| 00:39.50 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 00:39.52 | RaydenUni | could have |
| 00:39.53 | bigzero | kinda like an alarm |
| 00:39.53 | RaydenUni | didn't |
| 00:40.38 | bigzero | lol, if I knew someone was doing it, i'd go arcane explosion spam around him |
| 00:41.49 | MentalPower | Ellipsis: ignore the "wait for an admin to approve" message |
| 00:42.15 | MentalPower | Ellipsis: its to ward off the impatient ones :P |
| 00:42.43 | Wobwork | Instant Gratification isn't fast enough, damnit |
| 00:44.56 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:37] <@kergoth> aadv works flawlessly for me. /shrug. sometimes i switch to stddev or simple to avoid one or hte other influencing the other, since market value is an average across the stat modules <--why is it doing an average instead of an median? |
| 00:45.12 | sag_ich_nicht | *a median |
| 00:46.26 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: why a median? |
| 00:46.28 | RaydenUni | people are funny |
| 00:46.51 | RaydenUni | who here tries to level as fast as possible? tries to earn honor as fast as possible, gear as easily as possible, etc? |
| 00:46.54 | RaydenUni | that would be all of you |
| 00:47.18 | RaydenUni | who here would enjoy it if you were given a lvl 70 with T6 gear? |
| 00:47.43 | Antiarc | I never enjoy it when they do that on the test realms |
| 00:47.54 | thoughtlover | MentalPower: AceSerializer-3.0: You mean the wowace forums? |
| 00:48.05 | Antiarc | It's a lot more gratifying to earn/enchant/gem your gear. Really make it your own. |
| 00:48.06 | MentalPower | thoughtlover: aye |
| 00:48.38 | Chompers | even when you're testing content ? |
| 00:48.38 | RaydenUni | for test servers it makes sense, you can't test ZA if you have to roll a new character |
| 00:48.43 | RaydenUni | but that's a different thing |
| 00:48.57 | RaydenUni | but you guys are saying it's more fun to earn what you have |
| 00:49.12 | Antiarc | It is for me, certainly |
| 00:49.17 | RaydenUni | does that conflict with trying to level/gear/etc as fast and easily as possible? |
| 00:49.28 | Antiarc | Not at all. You're still earning all that stuff. |
| 00:49.30 | Chompers | but it gets deleted after a few months |
| 00:50.03 | sag_ich_nicht | RaydenUni get the hell out and buy your damn gold already, lamer noobcake |
| 00:50.18 | rubik | i'd like to start new toons at lvl 70.. with zero gear |
| 00:50.23 | rubik | hell yes |
| 00:50.32 | RaydenUni | sag_ich_nicht has nothing to do with that |
| 00:50.37 | RaydenUni | it's an academic question |
| 00:50.40 | sag_ich_nicht | or has it? |
| 00:50.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i play to have fun. |
| 00:50.50 | Antiarc | There's a guy on my realm that is attempting to level 1-> 70 using nothing but his starting gear |
| 00:50.50 | RaydenUni | i know |
| 00:50.55 | sag_ich_nicht | not to get the most topped out and maxed out character. |
| 00:50.58 | Antiarc | That sounds pretty fun, actually |
| 00:51.05 | RaydenUni | we've determined it's not fun to have a lvl 70 dropped in our laps |
| 00:51.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc so i guess you haven't heard the story of Gutrot yet? |
| 00:51.13 | RaydenUni | but we also cut as many corners as we can on the way to 70 |
| 00:51.19 | RaydenUni | so does that not seem to conflict? |
| 00:51.23 | Antiarc | sag_ich_nicht: Nope |
| 00:51.29 | RaydenUni | do tell :) |
| 00:51.31 | RaydenUni | stortime |
| 00:51.32 | sag_ich_nicht | !c EU Aerie Peak Gutrot |
| 00:51.33 | RaydenUni | storytime |
| 00:51.34 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Gutrot, Level 70 Troll Warrior (9/41/11). 6794 HP; 653 AP; 8.67% melee crit; 22 melee hit; 5.89% dodge; 5.80% block;[[ TBR: 1313 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/29kotf ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/34ufye ][ Updated: Tue Jan 8 19:57:31 2008 EST ]] |
| 00:51.51 | sag_ich_nicht | go check his armory. go to weapon skills. |
| 00:51.57 | Antiarc | RaydenUni: Not really. Learning to optimize your time and resources to gain those levels/gear is fun. |
| 00:52.14 | Antiarc | Whipping out your credit card and ebaying a pimped-out 70 isn't much fun at all. |
| 00:52.18 | RaydenUni | yep |
| 00:52.22 | RaydenUni | it's a pretty serious design problem |
| 00:52.23 | sag_ich_nicht | he leveled 1-70 naked, without any gear except for the slots that are used in the armory atm |
| 00:52.36 | rubik | i wish armory worked so i can see said gear |
| 00:52.47 | Industrial | ^ |
| 00:52.48 | RaydenUni | it needs to be challenging, and yet be "solvable" |
| 00:52.52 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:46] <+MentalPower> sag_ich_nicht: why a median? <--why an average? :P for the same reason a median is used for getting the market prices because there might be some insanely high or low price in it, of course, in this case, that won't be the case and the difference is probably minimal |
| 00:52.53 | rubik | blizz should kill armory for good.. if it's not working 99% of the time |
| 00:53.14 | rubik | or maybe they have |
| 00:53.15 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: you're correct in your conclusion |
| 00:53.32 | sag_ich_nicht | still! |
| 00:53.37 | sag_ich_nicht | it IS a difference :O |
| 00:53.54 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: at any rate, if you want medians, add an issue for in in our jira |
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| 00:54.01 | sag_ich_nicht | meh |
| 00:54.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i am way too lazy |
| 00:54.11 | sag_ich_nicht | you do it Ellipsis |
| 00:54.19 | Ellipsis | do what now? |
| 00:54.33 | Ellipsis | also, submitted the ticket MentalPower :) |
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| 00:54.50 | MentalPower | thanks Ellipsis |
| 00:54.59 | CIA-4 | 03werehamster * r58090 10IFrameManager/ (Frames/Anchor.lua Frames/Overlay.lua IFrameManager.lua): IFrameManager: Darling, how are we doing today? |
| 00:55.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: adding a ticket to the jira for auctioneer about using a median instead of an average for market value(atm market value is an average across the stat modules) |
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| 00:56.05 | wereHamster | what's jira? |
| 00:56.10 | sag_ich_nicht | hey |
| 00:56.18 | sag_ich_nicht | can we feed wereHamster to some kind of pet? |
| 00:56.19 | bigzero | you know i kinda wish werehamster had to roll back to some random revision of his mod |
| 00:56.24 | sag_ich_nicht | because he needs to lern2google |
| 00:56.26 | Xinhuan | i can tell you, a lot more people would use Jira if you didn't have to register |
| 00:56.38 | kergoth | bug tracking without registraiton is useless |
| 00:56.44 | sag_ich_nicht | a lot more spambots would invade it too, tho. |
| 00:56.47 | wereHamster | ~jfgi |
| 00:56.48 | purl | http://www.google.com/search?q=jfgi |
| 00:56.55 | kergoth | all the bugs will get hung up if you cant ask the submitted for clarification or ask them for varification of the fix |
| 00:57.06 | kergoth | submitter, even |
| 00:57.06 | Xinhuan | change jira to allow anonymous posts, but add in graphical images to prove a human is there |
| 00:57.16 | Xinhuan | well a bug report is just that |
| 00:57.21 | Xinhuan | it doesn't necessrily need a followup |
| 00:57.25 | thoughtlover | Capetcha |
| 00:57.30 | _chiper_ | yeah, the kitten/puppy method works pretty well |
| 00:57.32 | sag_ich_nicht | *captcha |
| 00:57.37 | kergoth | i've used bug tracking systems that didnt require registration |
| 00:57.38 | _chiper_ | fuck captcha |
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| 00:57.46 | kergoth | you just collect a shitload of bugs pending further information |
| 00:57.53 | _chiper_ | captcha just pisses off the user and is never very effective |
| 00:57.57 | bigzero | you just have to ask for the reporter to give you a way to reproduce a bug, then you can test it yourself |
| 00:58.08 | Xinhuan | that is way better than having 1/4 as many bugs submitted because users didn't want to register to report a bug |
| 00:58.17 | Xinhuan | or suggest something |
| 00:58.28 | Cryect | QA Testers is the way to go! :-p |
| 00:58.44 | kergoth | not really. if the user wants to put up with the problem, good for them. if you put the developers through too much hassle, you'll lower their motiviation to improve the project entirely |
| 00:58.53 | Cryect | With all the people volunteering to write code you would think people want to QA as well ;) |
| 00:58.57 | Xinhuan | a lot of sites turn me off because they require registration - i don't want my mail spammed, nor do i want to create a new password for every site i go to |
| 00:59.08 | Xinhuan | or have to use proxy hotmail addresses |
| 00:59.41 | RaydenUni | if i found a bug for something and had to register to submit the bug, i wouldn't |
| 00:59.44 | RaydenUni | too much hassle |
| 00:59.44 | Ellipsis | creating new passwords is the thing that bugs me the most |
| 00:59.47 | kergoth | bug tracking isn't a one off submission, it's a -process-. open bug, assign, etc. it changes state based on where its at, and it isnt' finished until it's been verified |
| 00:59.49 | Xinhuan | exactly |
| 00:59.55 | Ellipsis | I'll jump through some hoops to get an issue reported |
| 00:59.55 | kergoth | if hte user is that lazy, fuck them |
| 01:00.00 | Xinhuan | kergoth, those are for complicated bugs |
| 01:00.06 | RaydenUni | kergoth sure, but who loses out? only you |
| 01:00.08 | Xinhuan | most bugs are simple issues that are 1-line fixes |
| 01:00.11 | Ellipsis | but I'm sick of coming up with random crap for passwords, it's not secure and it definitely isn't easy to remember them all |
| 01:00.14 | wereHamster | Ellipsis, use the domain name as the password, it's easy to remember |
| 01:00.22 | RaydenUni | lol, nice |
| 01:00.23 | bigzero | Ellipsis, just have one password for the sites that aren't frequently visited/don't have very important info on them |
| 01:00.33 | Antiarc | I just use PasswordSafe |
| 01:00.40 | wereHamster | I do it all the time.. stupid registration websites |
| 01:00.42 | Xinhuan | its still a hassle |
| 01:00.48 | Ellipsis | normally I just come up with some ridiculous phrase and then set firefox to remember it |
| 01:00.54 | RaydenUni | you should make it trivialy simple for someone to submit a bug, or they won't |
| 01:01.00 | SunTsu | .o0( vim + gpg ) |
| 01:01.01 | _chiper_ | I developed a pretty handy method for my blog. I give the user a random number, and tell them to add or subtract another random single digit number |
| 01:01.06 | Ellipsis | but then I inevitably get into situations where I'm not at my computer |
| 01:01.18 | Antiarc | _chiper_: That's just a captcha though |
| 01:01.20 | Xinhuan | i gaurantee you you will receive 10x as much bug reports that will reveal a pattern or issue on harder to solve issues if you didn't require registration |
| 01:01.31 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: And you'll also get spammed out the ass :/ |
| 01:01.37 | _chiper_ | but it's not image based |
| 01:01.37 | Antiarc | Look at any Trac install of any significant size |
| 01:01.50 | Antiarc | Trac gets hit so ahrd by spammers, it's really sad |
| 01:01.53 | Xinhuan | do they have image verifiers? |
| 01:01.54 | kergoth | exactly. you'll have so much crap you'll never sort out what are valid reports and what aren't |
| 01:02.00 | _chiper_ | and, more importantly, it doesnt use a library that spammers have already written workarounds for |
| 01:02.12 | _chiper_ | Xinhuan: yup |
| 01:02.17 | Antiarc | Image-based captchas are frighteningly easy to parse with a high degree of success |
| 01:02.25 | Xinhuan | then its not good enough |
| 01:02.27 | _chiper_ | it's a simple adaptation of OCR |
| 01:02.28 | Antiarc | The only ones that aren't reliably parsable are hard as hell for an actual human to read |
| 01:02.32 | Ellipsis | imo, just make the user enter their email address (but only display it to registered users or devs or something) so you can get followup if necessary |
| 01:02.34 | kergoth | i could see letting the user submit with just an email address for tracking purposes with a quick verification of email validity to submit |
| 01:02.37 | kergoth | Ellipsis: :) |
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| 01:02.51 | Ellipsis | haha <3 |
| 01:02.54 | durcyn | they don't even guess captchas, they just forward them to people trying to view pornsites, it's like an illicit version of the mechanical turk |
| 01:03.20 | wereHamster | lol |
| 01:03.37 | RaydenUni | the latest captcha on rapidshare is really easy to read... |
| 01:03.47 | Xinhuan | we need those captchas that require you to cross your eyes to see them :D |
| 01:03.53 | RaydenUni | ooh nice |
| 01:03.57 | RaydenUni | but not everyone can do that |
| 01:04.01 | Xinhuan | hehehe |
| 01:04.04 | durcyn | magic eye, right xinhuan |
| 01:04.10 | durcyn | i never could see those damn things |
| 01:04.19 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:59] <Xinhuan> or have to use proxy hotmail addresses <--what? www.spamgourmet.com you noob |
| 01:04.21 | NivFreak | hrmm, now I'm really curious about good targets |
| 01:04.25 | NivFreak | I'll have to try it out tonight |
| 01:04.59 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: I was working on something like that for a while |
| 01:05.07 | Antiarc | Using optical illusions as a captcha delivery vehicle |
| 01:05.17 | Antiarc | Since what you see isn't really there, and thus, can't be parsed by a machine |
| 01:05.20 | RaydenUni | good targets? |
| 01:05.46 | RaydenUni | Antiarc how do you do input? |
| 01:05.54 | RaydenUni | select from a list of choices? |
| 01:05.57 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:03] <Xinhuan> we need those captchas that require you to cross your eyes to see them :D <--uhm no, get the hell out, i couldn't read any of them |
| 01:06.02 | Antiarc | RaydenUni: It'd just be a text box, like a captcha |
| 01:06.04 | sag_ich_nicht | fucking discriminating bastard |
| 01:06.07 | sag_ich_nicht | go die in a fire |
| 01:06.08 | sag_ich_nicht | 8D |
| 01:06.09 | Antiarc | I couldn't come up with a good illusion though |
| 01:06.24 | Antiarc | It's hard to convey text in an illusion without making it machine-readable |
| 01:06.24 | RaydenUni | all the ones i can think of involve spinning, or invisible dots, etc |
| 01:06.35 | Antiarc | right |
| 01:06.37 | RaydenUni | you could just make the user identity what kind it is |
| 01:06.42 | Xinhuan | i don't think its that hard to come up with good captchas that involve colors |
| 01:06.42 | RaydenUni | have 6 choices |
| 01:06.49 | Xinhuan | or maybe even a mini flash animation |
| 01:06.51 | RaydenUni | then the spammer has 1/6 chance of getting it right |
| 01:07.51 | sag_ich_nicht | you can also just use a proper white noise/white noise captcha that's 99% of spam bots don't get |
| 01:07.51 | MentalPower | kergoth: email is too easy for the bots |
| 01:07.55 | Antiarc | 1/6 is a really good chance |
| 01:08.12 | Antiarc | Since I can send 60 requests in the time a legit user can send 1 |
| 01:08.12 | MentalPower | send email, follow link thats in email post spam galore, profit! |
| 01:08.14 | SunTsu | .o0( Rohrschach tests? If somebody fails you wouldn't let him commit anything at all - even if human ) |
| 01:08.34 | sag_ich_nicht | basicially make two layers of white noise in photoshop, add a mask with the captcha in between and reverse the colors for it |
| 01:08.41 | RaydenUni | how can you fail a rohrschach? |
| 01:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | a human can make out what it says because it looks "odd" |
| 01:08.55 | Antiarc | sag_ich_nicht: I'm pretty sure that you could parse that with code. |
| 01:08.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: i know |
| 01:09.02 | SunTsu | RaydenUni: That's for the maker to decide ;) |
| 01:09.11 | RaydenUni | humans are still much better than machines at pattern matching |
| 01:09.15 | RaydenUni | certain types of patterns at least |
| 01:09.21 | Antiarc | http://xkcd.com/233/ |
| 01:09.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: but no code i know of does it, and it would probably take a while |
| 01:09.41 | Antiarc | I don't imagine it'd take that long. |
| 01:09.57 | Xinhuan | haha |
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| 01:10.30 | MentalPower | lol! |
| 01:12.30 | vithos | is there a simpler KoS addon than VanasKoS? |
| 01:12.34 | Ellipsis | oh great, now Blizz UI is throwing errors at me |
| 01:12.53 | Lukian | Ellipsis, aye? :D |
| 01:13.13 | Primer | I saw a friend playing once with a UI that allowed him to mouseover unit frames of raid/party members and upon mouseover, display a popup with different healing/de-curse/de-disease icons inside it. Has anyone ever seen such an addon and if so, know the name of it? |
| 01:13.20 | Primer | or did I imagine this? :) |
| 01:13.32 | Lukian | Primer, pitbull, perhaps? |
| 01:13.37 | Primer | it was not pibull |
| 01:13.45 | Ellipsis | fail. |
| 01:13.48 | Primer | as that's what I already use and never seen such functionality |
| 01:13.52 | Antiarc | I remember there was a pre-2.0 addon that did it |
| 01:13.54 | Lukian | Primer, I don't even think that's possible |
| 01:13.59 | Ellipsis | trying to click "ok" to a buyout popup is throwing usage errors |
| 01:13.59 | Lukian | what Antiarc said |
| 01:14.00 | Antiarc | PartyHeals or something |
| 01:14.39 | Antiarc | Primer: Clique will do something like that for you |
| 01:15.01 | Antiarc | Primer: You can say "Ok, right clicking a friendly frame is decurse" in Clique, and it becomes so on your unit frames |
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| 01:15.45 | thoughtlover | Yeah.. I use Clique to decurse currently |
| 01:16.41 | thoughtlover | though clique doesnt seem to work on xperl pet frames, unless Im mistaken |
| 01:16.48 | RaydenUni | this pizza smells weird |
| 01:16.59 | RaydenUni | why didn't they have pepperoni? :( |
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| 01:17.30 | Kivin | thoughtlover: pretty sure it does |
| 01:17.54 | Nefarion | anyone know a reliable source for info on hooking/manipulating unit dropdowns (from the unit frame)? |
| 01:18.00 | Nefarion | tried wowwiki, but nothing |
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| 01:21.41 | else_where | anyone on familiar svn hooks?? having a lil trouble with my post-commit |
| 01:23.58 | Primer | which does what? |
| 01:24.27 | bigzero | else_where what's the error? |
| 01:24.27 | charon | else_where: a bit. some pointers: you may be surprised by the rather bare environment, PATH only lists a few; and if you background, make sure the process doesn't inherit the pipe and block the server |
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| 01:24.28 | Primer | I have post-commit hooks that do lint checking of PHP files and sends email |
| 01:24.51 | Primer | that's about as much experience I have with that |
| 01:25.52 | else_where | lol, i'm "stupid enough to run my process as root, non public environment. just easier for me to do "work" at work, since my connection there wont let me access my ftp though sftp |
| 01:27.05 | else_where | i'm just finding all the svn docs on hooks "cryptic" at best |
| 01:28.17 | else_where | really, i just want commits to cause the files to get ziped into a "mostrecent" version, but can only find email notifications or phpDocmentor post-commit how-tos |
| 01:29.07 | charon | just write a shell script that runs 'svn update' in some private working copy and zips that up, works for me |
| 01:29.27 | else_where | probably the first time googles been of no help, lol |
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| 01:30.00 | else_where | i saw a few of those out there, thought there had to be a simpler way, but i guess thems the brakes |
| 01:30.12 | NightHawkAtWork | have you tried the svn book? |
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| 01:30.22 | charon | if it were intended to be simple, it wouldn't have hooks |
| 01:30.49 | else_where | yeah, the svn book doesn't go into any real detail on how to use the hooks, just what args they pass and when they are executed |
| 01:31.32 | charon | that's the _point_ :) |
| 01:31.52 | else_where | you think someone would have made a Trac plugin for it already, but newpt... spent most of today redoing other people Trac addons to work with .11b1 |
| 01:32.49 | else_where | is that basicaly wat files.wowace.com is? a working copy clone? |
| 01:33.23 | else_where | new i shoulda started off installing git, but cant stand any of the web-interfaces |
| 01:35.54 | charon | else_where: just try to write a small program that does what you want to achieve in your favourite language |
| 01:36.13 | charon | then step two, consult the svn book on invocation rules and where to be extra careful (watch that stdout) |
| 01:36.19 | charon | step three, call it post_commit |
| 01:36.22 | charon | there's your hook |
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| 01:37.03 | charon | the entire _point_ of it is that it's not defined apart from its invocation and output interfaces |
| 01:37.12 | charon | so you can do whatever you like with it |
| 01:37.35 | else_where | thanx |
| 01:38.10 | charon | and yes afaik files.wowace is nothing more than a bunch of zips off the svn trunk, but they're generated by a cronjob not post-commit |
| 01:38.22 | bigzero | lua> for i in string.gmatch("a.b.c.d","()%.") do print(i) end |
| 01:38.22 | lua_bot | bigzero: 2, 4, 6 |
| 01:39.31 | bigzero | would that be pretty much the best way of getting the position of the nth . in a string? not that exact thing, but using gmatch with that patern? |
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| 01:40.42 | else_where | oh! contrab some_easy_shell_script_that_knows_ENV_settings sounds alot easier =) |
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| 01:42.43 | testify | I'm getting an error in SpellReminder on line 800 of SpellReminder.lua. Anyone know how to fix it? |
| 01:44.43 | thoughtlover | You there wereHamster? |
| 01:45.03 | testify | Bad argument #3 to 'Fetch' (string expected, got nil) |
| 01:45.21 | NivFreak | Clique is not ace, right? |
| 01:45.59 | ulic | i'm pretty sure it's dongle. |
| 01:46.49 | NivFreak | JWU has made me so lazy, I'm actually hessitant to install new addons that aren't ace |
| 01:47.04 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 01:47.09 | RaydenUni | cartographer... |
| 01:47.13 | RaydenUni | i forget what else i use |
| 01:47.17 | RaydenUni | not very many |
| 01:48.08 | bigzero | NivFreak, yeah, i feel exactly the same. There are other updaters that work with curse, wowi, and wowace though |
| 01:48.58 | Ordog | (j mysql |
| 01:49.20 | NivFreak | bigzero: but most of them are not java, or don't have mac versions :) |
| 01:49.33 | wereHamster | thoughtlover, yus |
| 01:49.36 | wereHamster | ues |
| 01:49.39 | wereHamster | -.- |
| 01:49.39 | NivFreak | I should probably make an effort to find one that will work though |
| 01:49.43 | bigzero | well, the java part i'm not too fond of...i'm not a big fan |
| 01:49.45 | NivFreak | I manually update 4-5 non-ace mods I use now |
| 01:49.58 | NivFreak | bigzero: something that i can run on my mac is all I really care about |
| 01:50.08 | NivFreak | JWU is still my favorite ace updater though |
| 01:50.12 | NivFreak | I can't stand WAU |
| 01:50.16 | NivFreak | (the interface) |
| 01:50.26 | RaydenUni | wha'ts JWU? |
| 01:50.31 | bigzero | hmmm, not too bad...i like that i can view the changelog right there |
| 01:50.33 | RaydenUni | i've only used WAU |
| 01:50.50 | RaydenUni | a java version? |
| 01:51.35 | NivFreak | RaydenUni: jwowupdater |
| 01:51.37 | bigzero | idk if it works on mac, but http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ is what i was talking about |
| 01:51.49 | NivFreak | http://code.google.com/p/jwowupdater/ |
| 01:52.18 | bigzero | looks like it does, NivFreak |
| 01:52.24 | bigzero | you should check it out |
| 01:52.27 | NivFreak | bigzero: cool, I'll try it out |
| 01:52.39 | NivFreak | does it handle no externals? |
| 01:52.48 | bigzero | idk...i don't use it |
| 01:52.52 | NivFreak | hah |
| 01:52.52 | NivFreak | k |
| 01:54.16 | bigzero | I like to have ace addons though. if something breaks you can get a pretty fast response in here |
| 01:55.57 | NivFreak | oh wow |
| 01:56.00 | NivFreak | JWU handles non-ace addons now |
| 01:56.07 | NivFreak | I'll have to try it tonight :) |
| 01:57.47 | bigzero | can't you get access to game models from the UI? |
| 01:58.16 | bigzero | I know you can access stuff like gold piles, but what about units |
| 01:58.31 | bigzero | like mobs |
| 01:58.31 | wereHamster | It supports WoWAce, [...] and AceSVN ?? what's the difference between wowace and acesvn? |
| 01:58.44 | bigzero | pretty much none |
| 01:59.02 | bigzero | unless it allows you to check out of branches |
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| 02:00.23 | wereHamster | thoughtlover, you still here? |
| 02:02.41 | thoughtlover | werehamster: I noticed in your Healsync chat notes that you said it was broken for months and no one noticed. Trust me.. many people noticed. That was why hacked in fixes and called in Healsync continued, didn't know where to reach you. Took it down after you made presence over the mod known again. |
| 02:02.55 | sag_ich_nicht | EU servers down. COMMENCE SVN UPDATE SEQUENCE YOU SUCKERS!! |
| 02:02.59 | sag_ich_nicht | -! |
| 02:03.13 | Stan_ | :O |
| 02:03.19 | CIA-4 | 03oridan * r58093 10SpellReminder/ (SpellReminder.lua options.lua): |
| 02:03.19 | CIA-4 | SpellReminder: |
| 02:03.19 | CIA-4 | - minor bug fixes... |
| 02:03.19 | CIA-4 | Please remember to tie a knot in your pyjamas. Single beds are only made for one! |
| 02:03.39 | wereHamster | thoughtlover, it was a trivial fix, a leftover from my testing O-/ |
| 02:03.48 | thoughtlover | Im sure =) |
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| 02:04.56 | sylvanaar | can someone explain to me what the hell string:match(something, "%f[0-9]") does |
| 02:05.25 | wereHamster | I'm working in IFrameManager now, should be usable, just need some more testers etc, I hope to be able to release it soon, and after that coolDown and HealSync because these two depend on IFrameManager |
| 02:05.26 | sylvanaar | what is %f dammit |
| 02:05.54 | RaydenUni | why is destromath full? |
| 02:06.30 | NivFreak | WUU is python, that's sort of a perk to me |
| 02:06.31 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 02:07.01 | thoughtlover | werehamster: I'm actually working on a ground up spellsync library now. Something like Commcastlib... only with spell registration. |
| 02:07.09 | sylvanaar | who has a luabot |
| 02:08.44 | wereHamster | thoughtlover, I saw your post.. didn't read it thoroughly though |
| 02:10.26 | wereHamster | Should STARTS/DELAYS/STOPS be sent across communication channels (as opposed to just broadcasting spellTarget from sent)? - no, because you get these through the wow event interface |
| 02:10.45 | thoughtlover | werehamster: yeah. I'm trying to make it a library many people would use... With or without longdistance messages, append data , broadcast only spells people are interested in. Slow going though. |
| 02:11.46 | thoughtlover | I am making it so people can choose that on a spell level. Starts/Stops/Delays. |
| 02:11.55 | wereHamster | the only info you can't get using the builtin interfaces is the spell target, everything else you can get using blizz. functions |
| 02:12.04 | thoughtlover | yes |
| 02:12.45 | thoughtlover | Unless you cannot see them on the screen (too far away) so Spells like Rez, Mind vision, summon... etyc can be specifically set to send Starts/Stops/delays |
| 02:12.48 | sdouble | what is amanuensis other than "your personal secretary" |
| 02:12.55 | sdouble | heh |
| 02:13.50 | thoughtlover | I have run tests.. if you can see them on the screen, you receive their Starts/Stops/Delays directly from the server. |
| 02:13.58 | wereHamster | I follow KISS when I make my addons, so OOC (rez etc) spells are not so important IMO |
| 02:14.06 | thoughtlover | I am aware |
| 02:14.40 | thoughtlover | you know programs lin grid currently broadcast all Sents/Starts/Stops/Delays... etc |
| 02:14.45 | thoughtlover | like* |
| 02:14.56 | wereHamster | target, too? |
| 02:15.07 | thoughtlover | yes.. implied in sent |
| 02:15.29 | bigzero | I win http://wowace.pastey.net/80365 |
| 02:15.48 | bigzero | refreshing mana gem |
| 02:15.51 | RaydenUni | what time does KZ reset? |
| 02:17.29 | wereHamster | thoughtlover, if you want to take a peek at what IFM will be like, I just made a video, about 6MB, http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/WoW-IFrameManager.avi |
| 02:18.32 | thoughtlover | I'll keep working at it... eventually I'll post the code for suggestions/review. I hope to create a spell tracking library people can agree on as opposed to the 2 separate philosophies that exist now (Send only target vs Send Target/Start/Stop/Delay. |
| 02:18.38 | thoughtlover | ok.. Ill take a look at it |
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| 02:20.37 | NivFreak | wereHamster: that's pretty sweet |
| 02:20.59 | thoughtlover | you need a mouseover window in healsync |
| 02:21.18 | thoughtlover | imo =) |
| 02:21.26 | thoughtlover | for those damned clickcasters |
| 02:21.50 | Stan_ | < clickcaster |
| 02:22.02 | bigzero | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2043484922&sid=1 anyone taking care of DurabilityFu? |
| 02:22.24 | wereHamster | healsync was never meant to be for casting, only for visual information and feedback |
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| 02:22.38 | thoughtlover | nice.. many improvements on Iframe I see |
| 02:22.45 | wereHamster | where would you want to click onto? |
| 02:23.25 | sb | mhh - is there some function for the new readycheck? |
| 02:23.39 | sb | to see if some raidmember is ready/not ready/afk? |
| 02:23.55 | thoughtlover | Click casters are those people that cast spells without actually targeting their spell targets. Clique users and macro healers for instance |
| 02:24.12 | Stan_ | nope |
| 02:24.46 | Stan_ | I target, then cast till the target is dead or tab around to DoT every available target |
| 02:25.00 | Stan_ | ok granted..dots are on keybind |
| 02:25.11 | wereHamster | about IFM, what I hate is that all frames are saved relative to the bottom left corner, and when you have a frame in the top right corner, and decrease the scale, it will move beyond the visible screen area. That's why IFM allows to bind frames to all corners and edges and the center of UIParent |
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| 02:26.25 | thoughtlover | yeah.. the scaling thing is tricky.. I implimented in my hacked personal version of healsync |
| 02:26.28 | wereHamster | ah, I see, castbars on the mouseover target.. how hard is it to add to the existing code? |
| 02:26.35 | thoughtlover | exactly |
| 02:26.44 | thoughtlover | not hard since 2.3 |
| 02:26.58 | thoughtlover | unit frames now register as mouseover |
| 02:27.30 | thoughtlover | well.. except the mana bars and health bars on the default frames =( |
| 02:27.38 | wereHamster | bah, servers down, so I can't test |
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| 02:29.00 | thoughtlover | I put my hacked version of Healsync up on the boards as an example for a while (of "mouseover" healing pre-2.3) and I noticed Dorjae's healing bars adopted it shortly after :P |
| 02:29.30 | wereHamster | why? |
| 02:29.45 | wereHamster | adopted .. I read 'dropped', sorry |
| 02:29.48 | thoughtlover | Proof of concept really |
| 02:29.56 | thoughtlover | ah |
| 02:30.50 | bigzero | lua> print((nil)or1) |
| 02:30.50 | lua_bot | bigzero: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: [string "print((nil)or1)"]:1: ')' expected near 'or1' |
| 02:30.57 | bigzero | lua> print((nil)or"1") |
| 02:30.57 | lua_bot | bigzero: 1 |
| 02:31.20 | Lukian | [General] [Gigisas]: paying 1g for any vein locations pstm e |
| 02:31.26 | Lukian | ^ told him to install cartographer :p |
| 02:33.07 | wereHamster | also, none of my addons needs to be localized, which is neat, because I or the users don't have to care about that. I rather drop a fature if it would require localization that adopt it. KISS again. I know there's babble and all, but if it's possible without, why not take that path.. |
| 02:34.06 | thoughtlover | I understand the concepts. I may disagree with you on some concepts.. like party healing... but I understand |
| 02:34.39 | thoughtlover | So Iframe next will have scaling? |
| 02:34.50 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: http://lua-users.org/wiki/FrontierPattern |
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| 02:34.55 | wereHamster | will work with scaled frames.. |
| 02:35.02 | thoughtlover | ahh |
| 02:35.18 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster yeah, i found it |
| 02:35.51 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: i was trying to make some patterns using it for prat urlcopy but i found out it doesnt work right with %s |
| 02:35.53 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster you know it would probably make prat url_copy alost eaiser |
| 02:35.58 | sylvanaar | lool |
| 02:36.23 | sylvanaar | its wierd how it works |
| 02:36.31 | Aens|Superiority | did they fix the pets in raid groups thing for this patch? |
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| 02:36.37 | sylvanaar | you dont need to specify the intervening characters |
| 02:36.47 | thoughtlover | Iframe used to have a problem with forgetting window positions after turning the addon off or sometimes a crash or 2... is that fixed? |
| 02:37.07 | Xinhuan | ... |
| 02:37.16 | Xinhuan | i just saw this code in acecomm: |
| 02:37.19 | Xinhuan | (select(1, ...)) |
| 02:37.35 | Arrowmaster | i was trying to use %f[%S] %f[%s] and it wasnt working as you would expect |
| 02:38.21 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster try this in game /dump string.gsub ("THE (QUICK) brOWN FOx JUMPS", "(%f[%a])(%u+)(%f[%A])", "%1 -- %2 -- %3") |
| 02:38.47 | bigzero | hey sylvanaar, seeing how you haven't updated the WAU option descriptions on the wiki I wrote one up. Can you like copy paste it into the WAu wiki page? only need a couple clarifications from you i guess |
| 02:38.49 | bigzero | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Bigzero:WowAceUpdater |
| 02:38.57 | thoughtlover | I believe Iframemanager defaulted to letting warcraft save the window positions, and if you turned the addon off, it would forget the window positions |
| 02:39.10 | sylvanaar | there is nothing in that pattern which accounts for the stuff before and after (%u) |
| 02:39.29 | wereHamster | about the party, in low-level instances it's not that important, if you fail without healsync, it most likely won't improve with it. also, all healers have to have HS installed, and the chance for that happening is small in a random group. Raid groups tend to be more stable wrt to members (guilds etc) so that's what HS it targetting most. |
| 02:39.42 | sylvanaar | bigzero i dont have access to it anymore - its admin locked |
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| 02:39.51 | wereHamster | IFM uses now the SV, so no more forgetting frame positions |
| 02:39.54 | bigzero | sylvanaar, lol..gg |
| 02:40.18 | thoughtlover | good good |
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| 02:40.25 | bigzero | can you look at the list and add in the missing info? I'll get Kaelten (?) to copy paste then |
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| 02:40.54 | sylvanaar | am i just confused maybe |
| 02:41.21 | chiper | did mages get a free respec with the patch? |
| 02:41.26 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 02:41.33 | chiper | hrm, ok |
| 02:42.01 | thoughtlover | as far as group healing goes... I did many instances I shouldn't have at lower levels and lived because I was able to stagger my heals with the offhealer;p |
| 02:42.19 | thoughtlover | Not an issue at 70 in Tier5 though :P |
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| 02:44.05 | thoughtlover | then again.. group windows all show healbars now |
| 02:44.16 | thoughtlover | shrug |
| 02:44.34 | bigzero | sylvanaar, that gsub, which part are you not expecting to see in the resulting string? the ( before and after QUICK? |
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| 02:45.40 | wereHamster | in difficult 5man instances (heroic ones, really demanding etc), healsync won't make a difference IMO, because then you need a really good team, one that works well together without having to communicate too much with each other. Also, 5man groups are easier manageable than a 40man raid, not so much chaos etc. As you said, you can easily fit all unitframes and possibly castbars into the screen.. |
| 02:45.42 | Arrowmaster | you get the exact same result on that gsub if you dont put the %f's inside captures |
| 02:47.35 | thoughtlover | True... but I often run with paper tanks just to be nice. It is impossible to keep paper tanks up in some heroics without staggering heals with the secondary healer. But like I said.. healsync doesnt need it now because party windows have it |
| 02:49.14 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.gsub ("THE (QUICK) brOWx FOX JUMPS", "%f[%a](%S+)%f[%A]", "--%1--") |
| 02:49.14 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: --THE-- (--QUICK--) --brOWx-- --FOX-- --JUMPS--, 5, |
| 02:49.18 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.gsub ("THE (QUICK) brOWx FOX JUMPS", "%f[%S](%S+)%f[%s]", "--%1--") |
| 02:49.18 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: THE --(QUICK)-- --brOWx-- --FOX-- JUMPS, 3, |
| 02:49.35 | Arrowmaster | reason %f[%S]%f[%s] doesnt work |
| 02:49.54 | thoughtlover | ever heal a non-prot warrior in a heroic... tons of fun |
| 02:50.51 | bigzero | lua> print(1);print(2) |
| 02:50.51 | lua_bot | bigzero: 1, 2 |
| 02:51.54 | RaydenUni | i love the art of the ZA gear |
| 02:54.37 | thoughtlover | werehamster: so I guess I actually agree with you now on the party healing, just not for the same reasons |
| 02:55.22 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.wow.com"):gsub("%f[%w_.]", print) |
| 02:55.22 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: |
| 02:55.32 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.wow.com"):gsub("(%f[%w_.])", print) |
| 02:55.32 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: |
| 02:55.38 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt work that way |
| 02:55.48 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.wow.com"):gsub("(%f[%w_])", print) |
| 02:55.48 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: , , |
| 02:55.52 | sylvanaar | see |
| 02:55.57 | Arrowmaster | dont use it that way |
| 02:55.57 | sylvanaar | how stupid |
| 02:56.37 | wereHamster | Back in the old days, when I played with my brother and some of his classmates.. we rarely had to communicate, each one knew his class, his role and task in fights, and not only that but also the other classes. There rarely was chaos, and if something wasn't going well, a few words was all that was needed. It was a nice time.. |
| 02:56.41 | sylvanaar | why is it printing nil ? im confused |
| 02:56.50 | Arrowmaster | because you cant use it with a capture |
| 02:57.07 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.wow.com"):gsub("%f[%w_]", print) |
| 02:57.07 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: , , |
| 02:57.09 | RaydenUni | first boss of ZA is easy? |
| 02:57.09 | thoughtlover | Aye |
| 02:57.10 | Arrowmaster | it detects a transition from matching the pattern to not matching |
| 02:57.14 | RaydenUni | group that can kill Curator could kill him? |
| 02:57.20 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt match anything |
| 02:57.25 | sylvanaar | it does |
| 02:57.28 | Xinhuan | lua> assert(1/0 == math.floor(1/0)) |
| 02:57.29 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: true, |
| 02:57.29 | wereHamster | that's how I imagine a perfect group should look like, and we almost were such group |
| 02:57.30 | sylvanaar | 3 times |
| 02:57.45 | sylvanaar | its matching the stuff in between |
| 02:57.54 | Arrowmaster | it matched 3 times but it doesnt have anything to return to the capture |
| 02:57.59 | sylvanaar | why |
| 02:58.03 | Xinhuan | .... i THINK i know what is wrong with acecomm now |
| 02:58.05 | Xinhuan | brb |
| 02:58.06 | Arrowmaster | because it doesnt work that way |
| 02:58.07 | Xinhuan | verifying data |
| 02:58.33 | Arrowmaster | all it does is match a transition |
| 02:58.47 | bigzero | lua> ("www.wow.com"):gsub("%f[%w_].-%f[%w_]", print) |
| 02:58.47 | lua_bot | bigzero: , , |
| 02:58.59 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.wow.com"):gsub("%f[%w]%w%f[%w]", print) |
| 02:58.59 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: www.wow.com, 0, |
| 02:59.04 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 02:59.13 | Arrowmaster | still using it wrong |
| 02:59.17 | bigzero | lua> ("www.wow.com"):gsub("%f[^%w_](.-)%f[%w_]", print) |
| 02:59.18 | lua_bot | bigzero: ., . |
| 02:59.32 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("www.wow.com"):gsub("%f[%w_](.-)%f[^%w_]", print) |
| 02:59.33 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: www, wow, com |
| 02:59.46 | thoughtlover | I find myself in imperfect groups these days though. |
| 02:59.58 | thoughtlover | tanks are scarce |
| 03:00.07 | bigzero | ok so %f is from not in the set to in the set transition, right? i lost the link |
| 03:00.19 | Xinhuan | [2008/01/09 10:59:45-4474-x1]: XinTimer\XinTimer.lua:382: bad argument #1 to 'string_char' (invalid value) |
| 03:00.19 | Arrowmaster | in set to not in set |
| 03:00.25 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.123.com"):gsub("%f[%a]%d+%f[%a]", print) |
| 03:00.26 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: www.123.com, 0, |
| 03:00.31 | Xinhuan | I reproduced the error fully |
| 03:00.39 | Arrowmaster | err not in set to in set |
| 03:00.53 | bigzero | k |
| 03:01.00 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.123.com"):gsub("(%f[%a])(%d+)(%f[%a])", print) |
| 03:01.01 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: www.123.com, 0, |
| 03:01.10 | sylvanaar | im going to shoot myself |
| 03:01.10 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: check the pattern |
| 03:01.13 | bigzero | lol |
| 03:01.23 | Arrowmaster | you have the same %f[%a] on both ends |
| 03:01.26 | Arrowmaster | doesnt work that way |
| 03:01.27 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 03:01.37 | bigzero | first 2nd %f is supposed to be the opposite of first |
| 03:01.38 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("www.123.com"):gsub("(%f[%a])(%d+)(%f[^%a])", print) |
| 03:01.39 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: www.123.com, 0, |
| 03:01.42 | bigzero | 2nd* |
| 03:01.51 | sag_ich_nicht | update already you son of a bitch! |
| 03:01.53 | sylvanaar | kik |
| 03:01.56 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 03:02.02 | sylvanaar | its hard to understand |
| 03:02.13 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 03:02.25 | sylvanaar | what did your's do different? |
| 03:02.25 | bigzero | lua> ("www.123.com"):gsub("%f[%d](%d+)%f[^%d]", print) |
| 03:02.25 | lua_bot | bigzero: 123 |
| 03:02.41 | bigzero | lua> ("www.123.com"):gsub("%f[%d](.-)%f[^%d]", print) |
| 03:02.45 | lua_bot | bigzero: 123 |
| 03:02.52 | bigzero | (.-) should always work, right? |
| 03:03.04 | sylvanaar | oh god |
| 03:03.30 | bigzero | sylvanaar, you got it? |
| 03:03.38 | sylvanaar | no |
| 03:03.59 | bigzero | you can't really capture %f part first of all |
| 03:04.09 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.123.com"):gsub("%f[%a](%d+)%f[%a]", print) |
| 03:04.09 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: www.123.com, 0, |
| 03:04.16 | sylvanaar | why not |
| 03:04.28 | bigzero | sylvanaar, the two %f can't be the same |
| 03:04.41 | sylvanaar | why not |
| 03:04.53 | bigzero | %f detects a change from the character that's not in the pattern to the character that is |
| 03:05.21 | bigzero | so like %f[%a] for 1a would detect the position inbetween 1 and a as that spot |
| 03:05.29 | bigzero | there is nothing to capture there |
| 03:05.49 | thoughtlover | werehamster: yeah.. that Iframe thing is pretty neato. If I ever get this spelllibrary thing done, I'll play with it |
| 03:05.56 | sylvanaar | %f[%a} should match at www |
| 03:06.08 | bigzero | no, %f matches inbetween chars |
| 03:06.14 | bigzero | right, arrowmaster? |
| 03:06.21 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 03:06.24 | sylvanaar | is . in %a |
| 03:06.27 | bigzero | no |
| 03:06.37 | bigzero | %a = [A-Za-z] |
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| 03:06.56 | bigzero | %w = [A-Za-z0-9_] i believe |
| 03:06.59 | thoughtlover | allrught.. of to raids.. roommate bugging me. Finally nice to talk to you werehamster, after horribly butchering your healsync there for a while =) |
| 03:07.04 | thoughtlover | off* |
| 03:07.21 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.123.com"):gsub("%f[%a](%d+)%f[%A]", print) |
| 03:07.21 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: www.123.com, 0, |
| 03:07.23 | bigzero | not certain about _ i know word in perl does |
| 03:07.47 | CIA-4 | 03werehamster * r58094 10IFrameManager/ (Frames/Anchor.lua Frames/Overlay.lua IFrameManager.lua): IFrameManager: May the force be with you. |
| 03:08.04 | wereHamster | night guys.. 4am here.. |
| 03:08.14 | bigzero | sylvanaar, that shouldn't have mathed |
| 03:08.17 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 03:08.17 | bigzero | matched* |
| 03:08.50 | khangg_ | nn wereHamster |
| 03:09.21 | bigzero | the only place where %d+ matches 123, but %f[%a] would require transition to an alpha char [A-Za-z] |
| 03:09.34 | *** part/#wowace thoughtlover (n=thouhgtl@c-24-8-254-161.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 03:10.36 | Pkekyo| | this feels bloody weird...I just woke up after eight hours of sleep, at 4am |
| 03:11.42 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("www.abc.com www.def.com www.ghi.com"):gsub("%f[%S]([%w_.-]+[%w_-]%.%a%a+)%f[%s]", print) |
| 03:11.43 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: www.def.com |
| 03:12.05 | Arrowmaster | lua> (" www.abc.com www.def.com www.ghi.com "):gsub("%f[%S]([%w_.-]+[%w_-]%.%a%a+)%f[%s]", print) |
| 03:12.05 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: www.abc.com, www.def.com, www.ghi.com |
| 03:12.19 | Arrowmaster | stupid bug |
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| 03:12.30 | sylvanaar | hrm |
| 03:12.39 | Antiarc | Hey, anyone here gotten that "Invalid value for string_char" error while using Omen? If so, what class are you? |
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| 03:13.23 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.123.com"):gsub("%f[%d](%d+)%f[%D]", print) |
| 03:13.23 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: 123 |
| 03:13.31 | bigzero | yay :-) |
| 03:13.32 | Pkekyo| | shame that all servers are still down /cry |
| 03:13.57 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("www.abc.com www.def.com www.ghi.com"):gsub("%f[%a]([%w_.-]+[%w_-]%.%a%a+)%f[%A]", print) |
| 03:13.57 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: www.abc.com, www.def.com, www.ghi.com |
| 03:13.59 | Primer | I want to be able to cast heals/remove disease,spell by mouseover on a unit frame. I currently use pitbull. Is this possible? |
| 03:14.13 | Primer | I understand it's possible to cast heals/etc without targetting the unit |
| 03:14.39 | sylvanaar | oh the sample on the wiki page was confusing |
| 03:14.45 | bigzero | Arrowmaster, don't forget /&~% |
| 03:14.45 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 03:14.47 | sylvanaar | now i see what it was matching |
| 03:14.53 | Pkekyo| | is the enGB patch available from anywhere yet? |
| 03:15.04 | Arrowmaster | bigzero: that pattern is for matching an x.y.z url only |
| 03:15.11 | Arrowmaster | no path |
| 03:15.22 | bigzero | it would work for a full url too though |
| 03:15.31 | Arrowmaster | not that pattern |
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| 03:15.48 | CIA-4 | 03antiarc * r58095 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ClassModules/ (Druid.lua Warrior.lua): |
| 03:15.48 | CIA-4 | Threat-1.0: |
| 03:15.48 | CIA-4 | - Ensure that Demo Shout/Demo Roar never return 1.#INF threat. |
| 03:17.12 | bigzero | .%a%a[%.%a]*[%S] |
| 03:17.24 | bigzero | if you add that instead of %a%a+ |
| 03:17.37 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.abc.com www.def.com www.ghi.com/foo"):gsub("%f[%a]([%w_.-]+[%w_-]%.%a%a+[%w%%/]*)%f[%A]", print) |
| 03:17.37 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: www.abc.com, www.def.com, www.ghi.com/foo |
| 03:18.50 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.abc.com www.def.com www.ghi.com/foo-foo/bar.html"):gsub("%f[%a]([%w_.-]+[%w_-]%.%a%a+[%w%%/.-]*)%f[%A]", print) |
| 03:18.50 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: www.abc.com, www.def.com, www.ghi.com/foo-foo/bar.html |
| 03:19.08 | CIA-4 | 03zuno * r58096 10UnitActionBars2/modules.xml: |
| 03:19.08 | CIA-4 | UnitActionBars2: |
| 03:19.08 | CIA-4 | - Fixed references to Config\ files in modules.xml. Config doesn't work without this change unless using WAU. |
| 03:19.18 | sylvanaar | lua> ("www.abc.com www.def.com www.ghi.com/foo%20foo/bar.html"):gsub("%f[%a]([%w_.-]+[%w_-]%.%a%a+[%w%%/.-]*)%f[%A]", print) |
| 03:19.18 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: www.abc.com, www.def.com, www.ghi.com/foo%20foo/bar.html |
| 03:19.31 | Arrowmaster | using %f[%a] %f[%A] isnt viable for all the patterns in urlcopy |
| 03:20.02 | bigzero | nope |
| 03:20.27 | bigzero | idk if %f would really be necessary |
| 03:20.38 | Arrowmaster | it actually would help for a few patterns |
| 03:20.51 | sylvanaar | that linkandyield stuff |
| 03:21.16 | Arrowmaster | "([%w_.-]+[%w_-]%.%a%a+)%f[%A]" |
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| 03:22.06 | Arrowmaster | "%f[%S](\"[^\"]-\"@[%w_.-]+%.%a%a+)" |
| 03:22.13 | Arrowmaster | now wtf was i trying to do with that pattern |
| 03:22.19 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 03:22.30 | Arrowmaster | oh i know |
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| 03:22.41 | bigzero | the only way you can identify a url is by matching two . and no spaces in the string |
| 03:22.44 | Arrowmaster | "%f[%S](%"[^%"]-%"@[%w_.-]+%.%a%a+)" |
| 03:23.02 | Arrowmaster | but thats still broken |
| 03:23.18 | bigzero | then you can have almost any char in the url and it would stil be a url |
| 03:23.24 | Arrowmaster | no you cant |
| 03:23.36 | bigzero | don't take the any part literraly |
| 03:23.49 | Arrowmaster | trust me ive dont a lot of research into what are valid characters and what arent |
| 03:23.57 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah my comment above that pattern |
| 03:23.59 | Arrowmaster | -- "X"@Y.Z email (this is seriously a valid email) |
| 03:24.09 | sylvanaar | with the quotes? |
| 03:24.11 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:24.16 | Arrowmaster | you can even have a space in it |
| 03:24.33 | sylvanaar | hrm |
| 03:24.43 | bigzero | no i know, there's a finite set of characters, but i'm just saying you can't be too restrictive |
| 03:24.52 | bigzero | urlcopy also does emails? |
| 03:24.59 | Arrowmaster | no the specs are very restriive |
| 03:25.10 | Arrowmaster | and my urlcopy patterns are also very wrong |
| 03:25.16 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 03:25.25 | sylvanaar | i know it matchs foo.bar right now |
| 03:25.31 | Arrowmaster | i hate that |
| 03:25.32 | bigzero | and it should |
| 03:25.38 | Arrowmaster | i want to add a list of tlds |
| 03:25.44 | Arrowmaster | and make it check for a proper tld |
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| 03:26.37 | sylvanaar | i think there must be a good one on google |
| 03:27.11 | bigzero | that would be an extensive list though, is it really that annoying that it matches foo.bar once in a while? |
| 03:27.16 | sylvanaar | ahaha |
| 03:27.18 | sylvanaar | Here is the complete regex for URLs (warning: may cause brain to explode): |
| 03:27.22 | Arrowmaster | its not that long of a list |
| 03:28.55 | sylvanaar | ROFL |
| 03:28.58 | sylvanaar | http://internet.ls-la.net/folklore/url-regexpr.html |
| 03:29.04 | sylvanaar | that was the complete regez |
| 03:29.35 | sylvanaar | omg im laughing so hard i have a cramp |
| 03:29.36 | bigzero | sylvanaar, wth? |
| 03:29.52 | sylvanaar | its real |
| 03:29.56 | bigzero | i like http://www.osix.net/modules/article/?id=586 better |
| 03:30.04 | bigzero | sylvanaar, i believe you...still wth |
| 03:30.05 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, i just smashed the |
| 03:30.06 | Xinhuan | [2008/01/09 11:25:00-4475-x1]: AceComm-2.0-57236 (Ace2):307: bad argument #1 to 'string_char' (invalid value) |
| 03:30.07 | Xinhuan | bug |
| 03:30.40 | Arrowmaster | why does everybody always ask me about random bugs and tell me when theyve found random bugs for fixed random bugs! |
| 03:30.44 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 03:30.51 | Xinhuan | because you once tried to find the bug and failed |
| 03:30.54 | Xinhuan | hehehe |
| 03:31.01 | Arrowmaster | i took a few wild guesses |
| 03:31.10 | Arrowmaster | then gave up because its ace2 |
| 03:31.13 | bigzero | sylvanaar, I wonder how long it took someone to write that regex |
| 03:31.14 | sylvanaar | im trying to load it into regexbuddy to see what it does |
| 03:32.12 | Kivin | I've been scouring over the args for a CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL notification to find some way to tell when a General channel message is incoming; Anyone know of a better way than pattern matching arg9? |
| 03:33.23 | sylvanaar | wow, its valid |
| 03:33.36 | bigzero | Kivin, what's wrong with pattern matching arg9? |
| 03:33.59 | Kivin | bigzero: Nothing, per se. Just that it has to happen often and quickly, and I'd like something a bit less costly |
| 03:34.09 | sylvanaar | it does not match foo.bar |
| 03:34.22 | bigzero | foo.com? |
| 03:34.37 | sylvanaar | no |
| 03:34.41 | bigzero | do they require a url to have http? |
| 03:34.44 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 03:35.01 | bigzero | ah, that's why |
| 03:35.05 | sylvanaar | or many of the other ones |
| 03:35.09 | bigzero | you don't want that for urlcopy though |
| 03:35.17 | sylvanaar | ftp gopher(ROFL) |
| 03:35.20 | sylvanaar | etc |
| 03:35.47 | bigzero | Kivin, you can use string.sub |
| 03:35.59 | bigzero | wouldn't general always be first? |
| 03:36.11 | Kivin | bigzero: I think I found my solution; GetChatWindowChannels gives me a list of channels and their respective numbers |
| 03:36.33 | Kivin | bigzero: Yes, except that it would match GeneralCustomChannelName |
| 03:37.16 | bigzero | do substr for first 8 chars then match it to "General " |
| 03:37.45 | Kivin | still not reliable |
| 03:37.59 | bigzero | can you create a channel that has spaces in it? |
| 03:38.24 | Kivin | I don't know |
| 03:38.50 | bigzero | Kivin, how does getting a list of channels make it more reliable? how do you detect with one is THE general chat from the list? |
| 03:39.19 | Kivin | The client can tell what is a system channel and what's a custom channel |
| 03:41.20 | CIA-4 | 03antiarc * r58097 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ClassModules/ (Druid.lua Warrior.lua): |
| 03:41.20 | CIA-4 | Threat-1.0: |
| 03:41.20 | CIA-4 | - Better handling for 0-target demos. |
| 03:41.20 | bigzero | Kivin, seems like General is always "General" |
| 03:41.20 | bigzero | isn't it? |
| 03:41.20 | sylvanaar | why are you doing that? |
| 03:41.31 | Kivin | `General - Orgrimmar` |
| 03:41.36 | Kivin | sylvanaar: doing what |
| 03:41.43 | kebinusan | anyone know if they fixed akama in todays patch |
| 03:42.12 | bigzero | Kivin, `General - Orgrimmar` is that the arg9? |
| 03:42.17 | Kivin | yes |
| 03:42.27 | bigzero | ah, k |
| 03:42.37 | sylvanaar | lua> ("General - Orgrimmar"):match("(.*)(%s%-%s)(.*)") |
| 03:42.37 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: General, - , Orgrimmar, |
| 03:43.13 | Kivin | sylvanaar: I'm trying to solve this without any pattern matching |
| 03:43.34 | sylvanaar | why |
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| 03:44.15 | Kivin | I want something a bit less costly considering there's no throttling to how often the check may occur |
| 03:44.25 | sylvanaar | because you realize the game did a string.format(%s - %s) already |
| 03:44.27 | RaydenUni | what's the max # of marks you can get? |
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| 03:45.00 | Kemayo | Huh. I logged in after the patch and some auction junk I had sitting in the mail is now an empty message. |
| 03:45.15 | Kivin | I've seen up to eight notifications sent for a single general message on my client. Multiply those by the number of channels I need to match |
| 03:45.37 | bigzero | Kivin, using GetChatWindowChannels is probably the most efficient way |
| 03:45.43 | Kivin | Assume just general, trade, and guild recruit, plus 1 custom channel. suddenly i've got 32 matches for everything you see on the screen |
| 03:45.49 | Kivin | bigzero: I think so |
| 03:46.00 | sylvanaar | i dont even know what you are doing anyways |
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| 03:46.30 | Kivin | adding channel filters to SpamGuard |
| 03:46.55 | sylvanaar | you can use EnumerateServerChannels() |
| 03:47.32 | Kivin | okay, that appears to give me a list of channels, but not any useful information to compare them with a CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL notification |
| 03:48.02 | Kivin | it returned: "General", "Trade", "LocalDefense", "WorldDefense", "GuildRecruitment", "LookingForGroup" |
| 03:48.05 | bigzero | wouldn't that give you channels you're not in also? |
| 03:48.10 | Kivin | it did |
| 03:48.20 | bigzero | it gives you all the channels that are available in a zone |
| 03:48.42 | Kivin | The roadblock I'm trying to get across with GetChatWindowChannels is it doesn't accept a frame pointer as an arg, it accepts an ordinal value |
| 03:48.45 | sylvanaar | ugh |
| 03:49.19 | bigzero | 1 for chatframe1, 2 for chatframe2? |
| 03:49.29 | bigzero | etc. |
| 03:49.33 | Kivin | I suppose I could do a for loop to walk through all available frame indices and make a dictionary of Name=ID |
| 03:49.51 | Kivin | Then register the notification for joining/leaving a channel, if one exists, and rebuild the dictionary |
| 03:50.17 | sylvanaar | it only gives you the channels you are in |
| 03:50.27 | sylvanaar | not all of them |
| 03:50.31 | Kivin | EnumerateServerChannels()? |
| 03:50.36 | Kivin | I'm not in GuildREcruit |
| 03:50.41 | Kivin | or Worlddef, or LFG |
| 03:50.51 | sylvanaar | you have auto-join guild recruit on? |
| 03:50.57 | Kivin | dunno |
| 03:51.14 | Kivin | None the less, it doesn't provide me with anything that I can use, regretably |
| 03:51.14 | sylvanaar | it doesnt give me guild recruit |
| 03:51.53 | CIA-4 | 03antiarc * r58098 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/ (Threat-1.0.lua ThreatClassModuleCore.lua): |
| 03:51.53 | CIA-4 | Threat-1.0: |
| 03:51.53 | CIA-4 | - Add some checking to ensure that we never try to set or send an x/0 threat |
| 03:51.53 | CIA-4 | value. Should address string_char errors in AceComm. If you get an error along |
| 03:51.53 | CIA-4 | the lines of "trying to set infinite threat", please send me a full stack trace |
| 03:51.54 | CIA-4 | with your class. |
| 03:51.56 | bigzero | Kivin, why not just go from 1 to w/e last visible chatframe is? |
| 03:52.07 | Pkekyo| | http://orz.4chan.org/wg/src/1199758831057.jpg bwahahahahah |
| 03:52.26 | Kivin | bigzero: that's what i'm proposing |
| 03:52.33 | bigzero | I think there might be a global or a function with that value too |
| 03:53.07 | Kivin | it doesn't error when i pass a bad idx into it, so i'd just walk through until it hits () |
| 03:53.19 | bigzero | {}? |
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| 03:53.26 | Kivin | "nil" |
| 03:53.35 | bigzero | it gives you that for combat log |
| 03:53.43 | bigzero | since you're not in channels |
| 03:53.54 | Kivin | I can't assume someone doesn't have channels enabled |
| 03:54.13 | bigzero | i know, so you can't stop at nil |
| 03:54.18 | bigzero | go through all 8 frames |
| 03:54.23 | Kivin | is 8 the max? |
| 03:55.24 | bigzero | 7 is the max actually |
| 03:55.30 | Kivin | okay |
| 03:55.41 | bigzero | at least the last one in the FloatingChatFrame.xml |
| 03:55.50 | Kivin | alright |
| 03:55.55 | Kivin | i'm going to try to create 8 and see what happen |
| 03:56.05 | bigzero | err...actually i think i just found frame 12 |
| 03:56.14 | Kivin | (o.O) |
| 03:56.17 | bigzero | 10* |
| 03:56.20 | bigzero | not 12 |
| 03:56.44 | bigzero | you know...there might not be a limit |
| 03:56.48 | Kivin | the 'create window' gets greyed out when i have 7 up |
| 03:57.12 | Kivin | so there you have it, 7 frames |
| 03:57.44 | Xinhuan | vhaarr ping |
| 03:58.39 | bigzero | Kivin, FCF_IsValidChatFrame could be useful, but if you're gonna go with 7 that works too |
| 03:59.08 | Kivin | bigzero: 7 seems like a good number. i can always increase it with no performance loss if it became an issue |
| 03:59.16 | sylvanaar | NUM_CHAT_FRAMES |
| 03:59.29 | Kivin | nil on my client |
| 03:59.46 | sylvanaar | NUM_CHAT_WINDOWS |
| 03:59.48 | sylvanaar | sorry |
| 03:59.52 | Pkekyo| | ok, wow servers are down, and 4chan fails...what to do? |
| 04:00.08 | Kivin | cool, thx |
| 04:00.26 | duaiwe | Pkekyo|: read a book |
| 04:00.49 | bigzero | heh, that's 7 always, but I guess it's more reliable to use |
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| 04:01.17 | Pkekyo| | NightHawkTheSane: meh, r e ad'em all too many times...I should get some new ones |
| 04:01.23 | bigzero | sylvanaar which file was that in? i missed it somewhere |
| 04:01.27 | sylvanaar | its actually much better to build a table { ChatFrame1, ChatFrame2, ..etc } |
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| 04:01.40 | Kivin | sylvanaar: I'm doing that in the loop, actually |
| 04:01.40 | sylvanaar | chatframe.lua |
| 04:01.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo|: pfft. weak. I've got stacks of book waiting to be read |
| 04:01.53 | bigzero | sylvanaar, why build a table? |
| 04:02.01 | Kivin | if getglobal(frameName) then self.Channels[framePointer] = {} |
| 04:02.02 | Pkekyo| | NightHawkTheSane: share |
| 04:02.16 | Kivin | that way when the MSG_CHANNEL comes through, i can use 'this' to get the right set of channels |
| 04:02.21 | sylvanaar | so you can say for _, v in pairs(TheTable) do |
| 04:02.35 | Kivin | thisFramesChannels = self.Channels[this] |
| 04:03.01 | RaydenUni | what do you guys think about use selected colored armor? |
| 04:03.20 | bigzero | Kivin, so you're gonna be filtering out messages from chat? |
| 04:03.24 | Kivin | bigzero: yes |
| 04:03.28 | sylvanaar | sounds overly complex |
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| 04:03.57 | bigzero | Kivin, then you'll be hooking ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler anyway, no? |
| 04:04.04 | Kivin | bigzero: yes |
| 04:04.14 | Kivin | that's where all this logic is going |
| 04:04.29 | sylvanaar | then youd dont care about what frame it is |
| 04:04.42 | sylvanaar | why would you? |
| 04:05.11 | Kivin | Because different frames have different channels. *shrug* it'd just require different organization of the dictionary table |
| 04:05.13 | Ellipsis | can anyone confirm that they are or are not hearing extra UI sounds while spamming spells? |
| 04:05.30 | Ellipsis | (the sound effect that you get when opening the "esc" menu, specifically) |
| 04:05.35 | NightHawkTheSane | I am not hearing extra UI sounds while spamming spells |
| 04:05.40 | Ellipsis | thank you |
| 04:05.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ... I also have game sound disabled. |
| 04:05.44 | Industrial | lol |
| 04:05.45 | sylvanaar | are you filtering channels only on some frames and not others |
| 04:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 04:06.00 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUniwhat do you guys think about use selected colored armor? <---- elaborate? |
| 04:06.03 | Kivin | sylvanaar: no, it's a boolean setting. filter or dont |
| 04:06.21 | Industrial | got rice? |
| 04:06.26 | Industrial | >_> |
| 04:06.29 | sylvanaar | so all you care about is the channel |
| 04:06.29 | bigzero | Kivin, then i don't see why you need pointers to all the frames |
| 04:06.41 | sylvanaar | you dont even need to know the frame at all |
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| 04:06.55 | bigzero | Kivin, or will it only be filtering spam out of selected frames? |
| 04:06.57 | Kivin | GetChatWindowChannels returns a variable number of values. What's a safe way of handling them? I assume {GetChatWindowChannels(i)} is not good |
| 04:07.12 | Kivin | bigzero: all frames |
| 04:07.42 | MentalPower | someFunction(GetChatWindowChannels(i)) |
| 04:07.49 | sylvanaar | frame 1 has every channel in its list |
| 04:08.06 | sylvanaar | iirc |
| 04:08.10 | bigzero | sylvanaar, you could leave it though |
| 04:08.15 | Kivin | yeah.... |
| 04:08.20 | Kivin | MentalPower: I'll try that with a vararg |
| 04:08.21 | sylvanaar | so what |
| 04:08.33 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo| armor that has a section of it that is colored and the user can change the color |
| 04:08.38 | MentalPower | Kivin: yup, thats the idea |
| 04:08.41 | sylvanaar | how would that change whether you are filtering it or not |
| 04:08.43 | RaydenUni | like the armor in GW you can dye |
| 04:08.55 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: talking wow ingame now? |
| 04:09.25 | Pkekyo| | just make one of those green or red christmas costumes and be happy :p |
| 04:09.26 | bigzero | Kivin, you can do {...} but since the function returns name, number, name, number, you might want to take a look at DewdropLib or waterfall. they have a new() function that does what you want |
| 04:09.35 | RaydenUni | i meant armor |
| 04:09.41 | RaydenUni | like arena pvp armor |
| 04:09.43 | RaydenUni | it's all the same |
| 04:10.19 | Kivin | bigzero: I'll consider that, thanks. If I can avoid a lib by passing them into a vararg, I'd probably just KISS |
| 04:10.37 | bigzero | it's like a 10 line function...put it in your code. copy paste |
| 04:10.49 | bigzero | hold up i'll pastey it |
| 04:10.49 | Kivin | :P |
| 04:10.52 | Kivin | alrighty |
| 04:10.54 | RaydenUni | i thought the zepelling vendors were supposed to be in game again |
| 04:11.03 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: would give blizz hell of alot to do, I'd imagine...most arena sets are fine as is |
| 04:11.06 | sylvanaar | ChatFrame1.channelList has em all |
| 04:11.28 | RaydenUni | it wouldn't be that hard |
| 04:11.36 | RaydenUni | you just design a set so that it has a solid solor |
| 04:11.41 | Sole | I wonder how websites get urls like http://domain.com/directory/ but it shows a page instead |
| 04:11.41 | RaydenUni | and then you let pick pick a variety of colors |
| 04:11.46 | Sole | would they use mod_rewrite? |
| 04:11.46 | bigzero | http://wowace.pastey.net/80366 |
| 04:11.47 | RaydenUni | it's how they did teams in Warcraft3 |
| 04:12.11 | Kivin | thanks |
| 04:12.30 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: but then again, w3c graphics were slightly less complicated than that of wow :p |
| 04:12.49 | Sole | I dont see the huge complexity in armor dyes |
| 04:12.56 | Sole | it would just be quite a bit of extra work |
| 04:13.07 | Kivin | coloured skins was considered for Eve-Online, but the devs decided that it would cause network congestion |
| 04:13.13 | RaydenUni | it's just a different texture... |
| 04:13.17 | Sole | but then we'd be like cool |
| 04:13.22 | RaydenUni | and if you keep the # of colors low then it would be easy |
| 04:13.54 | Sole | Kivin: is it bad that by "coloured skins" I was thinking of the people and not the spaceships? |
| 04:14.07 | Kivin | (*blink*) |
| 04:14.08 | Kivin | -.- |
| 04:14.15 | Industrial | -s |
| 04:14.42 | Industrial | im bored :( |
| 04:14.51 | NightHawkTheSane | read a book :D |
| 04:14.56 | Industrial | read em all |
| 04:15.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i doubt that |
| 04:15.04 | Industrial | the oens I have here at least |
| 04:15.07 | Industrial | hehe |
| 04:15.11 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 04:15.21 | Industrial | I need to buy more deverry |
| 04:15.23 | Industrial | read 1 book |
| 04:15.29 | Industrial | but meh moneyyyy :P |
| 04:15.51 | Sole | start an indy project |
| 04:15.56 | Sole | GET IT? INDY! |
| 04:16.01 | Ellipsis | oh my god I think I just had a warlockgasm |
| 04:16.14 | Ellipsis | I had 2x rejuv, 2x lifebloom, and a regrowth on me |
| 04:16.18 | Sole | is that womancode for something? |
| 04:16.29 | Industrial | (:D?) |
| 04:16.31 | Sole | ^ saw it coming |
| 04:16.44 | Sole | lemme guess you were life tapping away |
| 04:17.04 | Ellipsis | actually no, it was post-rez |
| 04:17.07 | Estil | man 25 more levels to go on my druid |
| 04:17.08 | Ellipsis | but it was really sexy |
| 04:17.21 | Industrial | dinged 30 on ym druid today |
| 04:18.20 | bigzero | sylvanaar, you know I can't find the code in ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler where it actually adds the message to the chat frame for CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL event |
| 04:18.26 | RaydenUni | it was sexy having HOTs on you? |
| 04:18.29 | Industrial | hm, ive listened to this album more then 800 times now |
| 04:18.36 | RaydenUni | what's that? |
| 04:18.45 | RaydenUni | gosh darn this stupid mod |
| 04:18.54 | sylvanaar | its there bigzero |
| 04:18.57 | Industrial | arch enemy - rise fo the tyrant |
| 04:18.58 | Estil | is it just me or is it that whenever I see a druid player |
| 04:18.58 | RaydenUni | it tells me how long my flight is going to be and then verifies i want to fly there |
| 04:19.01 | Estil | they tend to be mature and nice people? |
| 04:19.03 | RaydenUni | grrr |
| 04:19.12 | bigzero | sylvanaar, i'm sure it is lol...but I don't see it |
| 04:19.21 | RaydenUni | i have no problem with most druids |
| 04:19.26 | RaydenUni | nor with shamans really |
| 04:19.36 | sylvanaar | line 2208 |
| 04:19.36 | Industrial | I dont like _player_ shaman |
| 04:19.38 | RaydenUni | i find a lot of rogues are inattentive |
| 04:19.41 | Industrial | er, playING |
| 04:19.45 | RaydenUni | like doing homework during the dungeon |
| 04:19.57 | RaydenUni | and doing less dps than thet ank |
| 04:20.02 | Kivin | http://wowace.pastey.net/80367 < i edited it slightly, bigzero |
| 04:20.02 | Industrial | damn totems have to pick one every time :P |
| 04:20.04 | Estil | :o |
| 04:20.11 | Industrial | you can play my shaman any time baby :D |
| 04:20.17 | Estil | what about hunters |
| 04:20.24 | Industrial | 's my main |
| 04:20.26 | Industrial | =) |
| 04:20.38 | Pkekyo| | I miss the old-school hunters |
| 04:20.38 | bigzero | sylvanaar, i don't see an AddMessage anywhere in that section |
| 04:20.44 | RaydenUni | had one run where the hunter insisted off tanking with his pet instead of letting the mage sheep would help us kill stuff faster |
| 04:20.54 | Pkekyo| | my brother used to just autoshot-afk bosses in MC and come into my room next to his and watch me tank :p |
| 04:20.58 | RaydenUni | we couldn't convince him of the merits of focus fire |
| 04:21.02 | sylvanaar | bigzero most chat types go through the single add message near the bottom of the function |
| 04:21.25 | Estil | lol |
| 04:21.43 | Ellipsis | Industrial, if I play your shaman will you play my pally? |
| 04:21.55 | Industrial | pally is fun |
| 04:22.07 | Kivin | Paly was horrible through Outland |
| 04:22.34 | Estil | pally is only fun first few levels |
| 04:22.39 | Estil | then for the rest, it's the same thing again and again |
| 04:22.40 | Estil | :( |
| 04:22.58 | RaydenUni | so who will be rolling a Death Knight if for no other reason than you won't be starting at lvl 1? |
| 04:22.58 | Industrial | lol, and hunter isnt :D? |
| 04:23.08 | Industrial | yeah ok it changes when you get steady shot |
| 04:23.12 | Industrial | but thats 62 |
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| 04:23.29 | Industrial | me rayden |
| 04:23.40 | bigzero | Kivin, you know sylvanaar had a good point. blizz code uses pattern matching for every channel message displayed |
| 04:23.53 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: I will :p |
| 04:23.57 | Industrial | Ellipsis: what I dont like about shamans is that you have to recast your stuff every damn time and its area bound. |
| 04:24.00 | Industrial | at least in pvp |
| 04:24.04 | Kivin | bigzero: it uses patterns to format the messages, but not to detect what's incoming |
| 04:24.11 | Industrial | and most people can get them down as soon as you put em up anyway :| |
| 04:24.12 | CIA-4 | 03aliset * r58099 10/tags/TankPoints/: |
| 04:24.12 | CIA-4 | TankPoints: |
| 04:24.12 | CIA-4 | - Add a tags directory for TankPoints |
| 04:24.27 | Estil | my goal for WoW is to have 70s of every class |
| 04:24.47 | kenlyric | it's good to have goals |
| 04:24.51 | kenlyric | it's sad to have wow goals |
| 04:24.58 | kenlyric | well, that wow goal |
| 04:25.03 | sylvanaar | pattern matching is cheap, there arent that many chat messages for it to matter |
| 04:25.18 | Kivin | I know of someone whom reached 75 Everything in FFXI >_< |
| 04:25.29 | bigzero | Kivin, hmmm, I don't see how you would be doing it more times. you're only registering CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL. that won't get called more than once per msg or else blizz chat frames would display messages more than once as well |
| 04:25.48 | Kivin | bigzero: I'm hooking the event handler, not registering for CHAT_MS |
| 04:25.49 | Kivin | G |
| 04:26.00 | Kivin | I'm seeing 8 notifications per incoming message |
| 04:26.09 | Kivin | er 7 |
| 04:26.14 | bigzero | you can still check for CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL. it's passed as 1st arg into the function |
| 04:26.33 | Kivin | bigzero: Yeah, if I wanted to make my addon synchronous =/ |
| 04:26.46 | Estil | 75 everything in ffxi? no offense but that's just no life :( |
| 04:27.00 | Kivin | Estil: none taken. From what I'm led to believe, the person is a total loser. |
| 04:27.07 | sylvanaar | why dont you just look how spamsentry does it |
| 04:27.18 | sylvanaar | its the only one that ever got it right anyhow |
| 04:27.26 | Kivin | let me commit, the one on the svn is kinda wonky |
| 04:27.31 | bigzero | i meant when you hook onto that function, that function receives the event as the first arg, so you just check that |
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| 04:28.06 | Kivin | yeah, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything |
| 04:29.00 | Industrial | So I have this 30 feral druid. Balance druid at level 40+, is it fun? I absolutely do NOT mind having a small toolset. I hate having a big toolset (*cough* warlock *cough*). I'm just a bit concerned about OOM |
| 04:29.22 | bigzero | oh and the calls to that function....it get's called for every chatframe that's in that channel i think. |
| 04:29.27 | kenlyric | be less concerned about OOM and more concerned about SLOW |
| 04:29.41 | bigzero | that's why you get 8 calls...i think...i can't think of another reason |
| 04:29.49 | kenlyric | because the gear you get to make you decent at boomkin doesn't come until outlands. |
| 04:29.49 | Kivin | bigzero: exactly. 7 calls, one for each frame |
| 04:29.51 | Industrial | can I down like 4 mobs without drinking? |
| 04:29.56 | Kivin | each call is identical except for the 'this' pointer |
| 04:30.00 | kenlyric | Industrial: in a week and half, sure. |
| 04:30.10 | sylvanaar | that function is called for every frame that has registered for the event being processed |
| 04:30.10 | Industrial | .. |
| 04:30.31 | Industrial | no like, at once sucessive boomboomboomboom |
| 04:30.32 | Kivin | er, yeah, that's correct, sylvanaar |
| 04:30.50 | Industrial | guess ill just need to try |
| 04:30.57 | Industrial | but ill need whole different gear |
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| 04:31.16 | Kivin | If you're interested, here's the beast: http://kivin-spamguard.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/KivinSpamGuard/main.lua |
| 04:31.17 | bigzero | Kivin, you can check if the chatframe is in the channel before doing the pattern match |
| 04:31.19 | Industrial | I have zomg 20% dodge now.. which is pretty leet :P |
| 04:31.26 | Industrial | (at L30) |
| 04:31.36 | Kivin | lines 278 through something |
| 04:31.41 | sylvanaar | since CHAT_MESSAGE_CHANNEL is the same event for all channels, its called for every chatframe no matter what channels that frame is in |
| 04:31.59 | bigzero | sylvanaar, yeah, you're right |
| 04:32.52 | Kivin | What I have to work with are arg1-arg11, and I'm trying to find the least costly and least error-prone way of saying "Is this General, Trade, or one of {these} user-specified channels" |
| 04:33.06 | sylvanaar | the code at the start of the function filters out channels on a per-frame basis |
| 04:34.25 | CIA-4 | 03arrowmaster * r58100 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/UrlCopy.lua: Prat: UrlCopy: now with added complexity just because I can! (drycoded) |
| 04:34.34 | sylvanaar | rofl |
| 04:34.53 | sylvanaar | http://regexlib.com |
| 04:35.08 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 04:35.33 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.36 | sylvanaar | winner |
| 04:35.38 | Kivin | (o.o) |
| 04:35.54 | sylvanaar | i think its portable to lua |
| 04:36.06 | Kivin | lol... |
| 04:36.19 | bigzero | Addon:ChatFrame_OnEvent ??? why are you rewritig that? |
| 04:36.25 | Arrowmaster | i doubt it |
| 04:36.29 | Kivin | bigzero: I'm sorry? |
| 04:36.59 | bigzero | it's in your code...idk the line number...firefox opened the file instead of downloading it |
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| 04:37.08 | Kivin | i know the method, what about it? |
| 04:37.36 | bigzero | are you trying to hook blizz chat frame handler with it? |
| 04:37.50 | Kivin | that's what's intercepting chat messages |
| 04:38.14 | sylvanaar | dude - SpamSentry, why reinvent? |
| 04:38.15 | Kivin | it gives blizzard the opportunity to claim the notification with ChatFrame_ConfigEventHandler and ChatFrame_SystemEventHandler, then handles it personally |
| 04:38.23 | bigzero | why not just hook ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler directly, since that's what you're doing anyway? |
| 04:38.40 | Kivin | bigzero: because then prat doesn't play nice with it |
| 04:39.29 | bigzero | i don't see how you can mess up by hooking correctly |
| 04:40.01 | Kivin | Prat intercepts stuff before SpamGuard can and, just like SpamGuard, doesn't maintain the hook sequence |
| 04:40.17 | Kivin | I don't get messages that I could, would, and should |
| 04:40.54 | bigzero | fair enough...hooking before prat |
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| 04:42.52 | sylvanaar | what are you talking about not maintaining the hook sequence anyhow? what specifically isnt it maintaining? |
| 04:43.44 | bigzero | the way i gather is that because Kivin is trying to look for specific strings in the arg1 arg2, etc. Prat may be altering them and Kivin's mod is not detecting them properly |
| 04:44.01 | Kivin | No, Prat simply doesn't let notifications reach ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler |
| 04:44.12 | Kivin | We've been over this before |
| 04:44.43 | sylvanaar | There is no path through Prats hook of CF_MEH that doesnt call into the hook chain |
| 04:45.22 | Kivin | Okay, I can beat a dead horse if you want. Last time we went over this, it was decided a Prat Module was doing it. Which is no distinction to me. It's all one and the same. |
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| 04:50.21 | Kivin | So at the end of the day, comparing arg7 with the numeric return of GetChatWindowChannels should work |
| 04:56.00 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster what we should do is get all the tlds, and then do the set of chars which are valid at each position. you think its a-z in the first 2 ? or some gaps? |
| 04:56.23 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 04:57.25 | CIA-4 | 03bigzero 07bigzero * r58101 10UIGnome/UIGnome/ (UIGnome.lua UIGnome.toc): |
| 04:57.25 | CIA-4 | UIGnome: |
| 04:57.25 | CIA-4 | - Added function to record values for a given table of variable paths. |
| 04:57.25 | CIA-4 | - still nothing functional |
| 04:58.03 | sylvanaar | here |
| 04:58.07 | sylvanaar | (a(?:[cdefgilmnoqrstuwxz]|ero|(?:rp|si)a)|b(?:[abdefghijmnorstvwyz]iz)|c(?:[acdfghiklmnoruvxyz]|at|o(?:m|op))|d[ejkmoz]|e(?:[ceghrstu]|du)|f[ijkmor]|g(?:[abdefghilmnpqrstuwy]|ov)|h[kmnrtu]|i(?:[delmnoqrst]|n(?:fo|t))|j(?:[emop]|obs)|k[eghimnprwyz]|l[abcikrstuvy]|m(?:[acdeghklmnopqrstuvwxyz]|il|obi|useum)|n(?:[acefgilopruz]|ame|et)|o(?:m|rg)|p(?:[aefghklmnrstwy]|ro)|qa|r[eosuw]|s[abcdeghijklmnortuvyz]|t(?:[cdfghjklmnoprtvwz]|(?:rav)?el)|u[agkmsyz]|v[ace |
| 04:58.19 | Arrowmaster | wtf is taht |
| 04:58.20 | bigzero | lol |
| 04:58.35 | sylvanaar | Test Details All existing TLDs (Top-Level Domains) according to IANA specifications |
| 04:58.49 | sylvanaar | as a regex |
| 04:59.09 | Pkekyo| | I bloody hate DVD movies that want you to install a specific DVD player software for you to watch it >.< |
| 04:59.09 | bigzero | hmmm, i think it's better for urlcopy to just simply get more false positive hits |
| 04:59.29 | Arrowmaster | did you see my last commit? |
| 04:59.35 | Arrowmaster | hehe |
| 04:59.47 | Pkekyo| | well, school in an hour, I'm off to bed...g'nite all |
| 05:00.14 | Arrowmaster | id like to see urlcopy get a false hit currently |
| 05:00.29 | sylvanaar | lol |
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| 05:00.38 | sylvanaar | LinkWithTLD cute |
| 05:01.27 | Arrowmaster | i was going to input the entire list but i said fuck it around the Gs |
| 05:01.34 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 05:02.08 | bigzero | Kivin, and you were afraid of a little pattern matching |
| 05:02.29 | Kivin | bigzero: lol |
| 05:02.34 | bigzero | Arrowmaster, this is done for every message, right? |
| 05:02.37 | sylvanaar | he's just being difficult |
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| 05:02.41 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:02.43 | bigzero | haha |
| 05:02.47 | Kivin | i've pretty much got the logic as simple as it can get |
| 05:03.00 | Arrowmaster | it was worse before i started fucking with it |
| 05:03.13 | bigzero | Arrowmaster, unnecessary imo...i mean you still match stuff like i.hate.you |
| 05:03.19 | Arrowmaster | you could lag people by saying ........................................................................... |
| 05:03.27 | bigzero | lol....hmmm |
| 05:03.37 | Arrowmaster | it wont match i.hate.you |
| 05:03.46 | Arrowmaster | since you isnt a tld |
| 05:04.11 | bigzero | i see it matching for the last set of pattern matches you have |
| 05:04.16 | sylvanaar | still matches foo.bar |
| 05:04.22 | Kivin | with the dictionary in play, it's as simple as: http://wowace.pastey.net/80368 |
| 05:04.22 | Arrowmaster | how |
| 05:04.33 | sylvanaar | its maddening |
| 05:04.34 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck is it still matching foo.bar |
| 05:04.39 | bigzero | oh, I was just looking at regexes |
| 05:05.18 | bigzero | but assumming you filter using your tlds list, i don't see co.uk getting captured |
| 05:05.30 | Recluse | thought this patch said they were fixing macros that would 'stick' - but the macros that were fine last night get stuck a -lot- now |
| 05:05.58 | Arrowmaster | bigzero: i got lazy so i just made it check if the tld was 2chars or if it matched the list i supplied |
| 05:07.00 | sylvanaar | maybe it didnt update or something hm |
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| 05:07.09 | bigzero | lol, might just work |
| 05:07.19 | Kivin | lua> t = {}; local x; print(t[x] == true) |
| 05:07.19 | lua_bot | Kivin: false |
| 05:07.52 | bigzero | lua> print(t[nil]==nil) |
| 05:07.52 | lua_bot | bigzero: [string "print(t[nil]==nil)"]:1: attempt to index global 't' (a nil value) |
| 05:08.04 | bigzero | lua> t = {}; print(t[nil]==nil) |
| 05:08.04 | lua_bot | bigzero: true |
| 05:08.48 | bigzero | lua> t = {["a"] = true}; print(#t) |
| 05:08.48 | lua_bot | bigzero: 0 |
| 05:08.50 | sylvanaar | i love prat's graph on fisheye |
| 05:08.58 | bigzero | lua> t = {["a"] = true}; print(table.maxn(t)) |
| 05:08.58 | lua_bot | bigzero: 0 |
| 05:09.56 | Kivin | http://wowace.pastey.net/80369 as simple as i can get it |
| 05:10.19 | Kivin | If it's a system channel and it's not enabled, or if it's a custom channel and it's not enabled, send it to the framexml |
| 05:10.37 | bigzero | looks good |
| 05:10.58 | bigzero | don't think you can simplify it any further lol |
| 05:11.03 | Kivin | heh doubt it |
| 05:11.19 | Kivin | Just need a compatible dictionary to go with it. I scrapped the last one but it looks like I need it again |
| 05:11.30 | Arrowmaster | http://ace.pastey.net/80370 for the code i use to test my UrlCopy patterns using lua.exe |
| 05:12.55 | Arrowmaster | although you probably wont understand the output |
| 05:13.02 | Kivin | Someone keeps typing ?RELOADUI in /say o.o |
| 05:13.10 | bigzero | heh, i like how you included .museum in the list |
| 05:13.25 | Arrowmaster | Kivin: tell them their shift key is stuck |
| 05:13.44 | Kivin | If they're too stupid to figure that out themselves, I'd much rather sit here and snicker at them. |
| 05:14.16 | bigzero | I sometimes add a space right before /run or /print in the stuff i copy paste...wall of text inc |
| 05:14.44 | Kivin | ugh the other day, I c&p'd about 20 lines of Lua into a TrinityBar infinite-sized macro |
| 05:14.48 | Kivin | but didn't account for the \r\ns |
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| 05:15.02 | Kivin | the first line got executed, the subsequent 19 or so got dumped into chat |
| 05:16.16 | bigzero | you can't do /use and /cast in those infinite-size macros, can you? |
| 05:16.30 | Kivin | yep |
| 05:16.36 | Kivin | works exactly like a normal 255-char capped macro |
| 05:16.47 | sylvanaar | wierd - the copy of prat that comes from wau doesnt have your change Arrowmaster |
| 05:17.11 | Arrowmaster | zips are probably borked |
| 05:17.25 | Arrowmaster | ~bork |
| 05:17.28 | Paene | Any SVN admins around? |
| 05:18.15 | Paene | ~seen Kaelten |
| 05:18.16 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 3h 29m 10s ago, saying: 'Amadeo: its weird sounding'. |
| 05:19.06 | Ellipsis | what's the errors.txt say? |
| 05:19.19 | sylvanaar | oh kachink.wav was in use |
| 05:19.25 | sylvanaar | so it didnt update |
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| 05:19.42 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 05:20.03 | bigzero | ooo, scrub got updated...but he didn't remove Dragon's Breath from Mages... |
| 05:20.41 | Xinhuan | scrub is a stupid addon, all it does is it forces cookie cutter specs on people |
| 05:20.49 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 05:21.45 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster ok success! foo.bar = no match |
| 05:22.12 | bigzero | Xinhuan, hmm, most talents are standard for raids though. It's definitelly not something to kick people out of a raid by, but at least it lets you know quickly how many are serious about raiding |
| 05:22.23 | bigzero | Xinhuan, just needs a little tweaking |
| 05:22.24 | Xinhuan | not necessarily |
| 05:22.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: if it weren't the case that definable x > y relationships are possible for raiding talents, i'd agree |
| 05:22.37 | Xinhuan | some talents might not be needed by a player, because someone else in the raid already has said talent |
| 05:23.08 | Xinhuan | for example, improved demo shout |
| 05:23.15 | bigzero | Xinhuan, again, definitelly not a definite "your spec sucks" notification, but more like a guide |
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| 05:24.12 | Xinhuan | its the way scrub portrays the information |
| 05:24.16 | Arrowmaster | extracting a zip thats over a gig takes fucking forever |
| 05:24.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: I'm not going to disagree that it's info display could use work, or that the mod's judgements at a whole could use work. But I think the original idea behind it is entirely valid |
| 05:25.38 | bigzero | anyone know where to post suggestions/bug reports for scrub? |
| 05:25.57 | NightHawkTheSane | the EJ thread |
| 05:26.19 | bigzero | EJ thread? |
| 05:27.09 | Paene | Anyone know who the SVN admins other than Kaelten are? |
| 05:27.46 | Xinhuan | the idea is valid, but the portrayal of information with its "alerts" and "warnings" simply shows derision, as opposed to say "notes" and "questionables" |
| 05:27.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: suggest it? *shrug* |
| 05:28.06 | Xinhuan | i don't even use it |
| 05:28.19 | Xinhuan | i'm only annoyed because other people use it on me |
| 05:28.33 | Kivin | At EJ things do tend to be pretty "black and white". "If you have this talent, you suck." |
| 05:28.36 | bigzero | NightHawkTheSane, wth is the EJ thread? |
| 05:28.44 | NightHawkTheSane | elitistjerks.com ? |
| 05:28.47 | Kivin | yeah |
| 05:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | and i meant that question in the rhetorical sense, of course |
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| 05:30.32 | Kivin | Sometimes I wish there was a 'hide shoulder-gear' along with cloaks and helms |
| 05:31.05 | Recluse | *coughtransparent shoulder skin patchcough* |
| 05:33.17 | bigzero | meh, i'd have to register on EJ to suggest it...too much work |
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| 05:43.42 | RaydenUni | <Kivin> At EJ things do tend to be pretty "black and white". "If you have this talent, you suck." <-- how odd, a website called elitist jerks display rude behavior and elitist tendencies |
| 05:44.02 | Kivin | RaydenUni: Yeah, what's your point? |
| 05:44.09 | Kivin | I didn't say it was odd |
| 05:44.12 | RaydenUni | bongophone? |
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| 05:50.14 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 05:50.55 | Paene | Kael! |
| 05:51.23 | Paene | Kaelten: you there? |
| 05:51.34 | Kaelten | yep |
| 05:51.37 | Paene | wooo |
| 05:52.01 | Paene | need my svn password reset, just built and new comp and don't have the e-mail that had it |
| 05:52.18 | Kaelten | did you send me an email about it? |
| 05:52.23 | Paene | I sent an e-mail to the admin e-mail thingy a few days ago |
| 05:52.30 | Paene | lemme check the address |
| 05:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | imo, archive your email ;) |
| 05:52.50 | Paene | wowace-svn-requests@googlegroups.com |
| 05:53.12 | Paene | NightHawkTheSane: I usually do, went through and cleared out 1000+ old messages |
| 05:53.22 | Paene | must have accidentally deleted it :-/ |
| 05:53.50 | Kaelten | I have about 20 emails I need to process. |
| 05:53.55 | Paene | lol |
| 05:53.55 | Paene | ok |
| 05:53.57 | Kaelten | I was out all morning |
| 05:54.08 | Paene | slacker :-p j/k |
| 05:54.14 | Kaelten | heh |
| 05:54.23 | Kaelten | medication can do that to you |
| 05:54.38 | bigzero | Kaelten, since you're here, would you be able to copy/paste a list of options from http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Bigzero:WowAceUpdater to http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WowAceUpdater under Options? they haven't been updated in a while. Unless you're not the guy to talk to |
| 05:55.06 | Paene | poor Kaelten, logs on and is immediately bombarded with requests |
| 05:55.23 | bigzero | :-) |
| 05:55.34 | Pkekyo| | ~time |
| 05:55.34 | purl | hmm... time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.01.09 5:55:34 GMT |
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| 05:57.49 | Paene | is WAU still being developed? |
| 05:59.06 | Pkekyo| | ohhai2uEllipsis |
| 05:59.12 | Ellipsis | y helo thar |
| 05:59.38 | Pkekyo| | geif online servers |
| 05:59.47 | Ellipsis | come to US |
| 05:59.48 | Ellipsis | :D |
| 06:00.43 | Pkekyo| | nothanks |
| 06:00.49 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 06:00.57 | Ellipsis | but I is hear and will geif u epix |
| 06:01.46 | Bruners | patch notes up ? |
| 06:02.06 | Pkekyo| | ZOMG U GEIFS EPIX ITAMS?!?!?!?!?!?!! |
| 06:02.12 | Pkekyo| | Bruners: not four hours ago :p |
| 06:02.17 | Pkekyo| | err, make that three |
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| 06:08.30 | Ellipsis | arr |
| 06:08.38 | Ellipsis | addons needs less fail |
| 06:08.48 | Kerafyrm | thanks sag_ich_nicht.. (for like hours ago answer) |
| 06:09.27 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: thank you captain obvious? :p |
| 06:13.47 | Ellipsis | meh |
| 06:13.52 | Ellipsis | I can't figure out why Fizzle fails =[ |
| 06:14.14 | Pkekyo| | what is it supposed to do, and how does it fail? |
| 06:15.39 | Ellipsis | it adds colored item borders by rarity to character/inspect frames |
| 06:15.43 | Ellipsis | as well as durability to char frames |
| 06:15.52 | Ellipsis | but it won't color tabards by quality in inspect frames o.O |
| 06:17.30 | Pkekyo| | so tabards is all it fails at? |
| 06:17.36 | Ellipsis | as far as I know |
| 06:17.48 | Pkekyo| | hms, serves've been down since 3am....patch should be available for download now, no? |
| 06:18.05 | Pkekyo| | lolswut, only 6megs? |
| 06:18.28 | Pkekyo| | and still it takes bloody ages :p |
| 06:19.59 | Bruners | i took like 2mins here |
| 06:20.09 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: where'd you get the idea norwegians learn brit english btw? :p |
| 06:20.20 | Pkekyo| | that's bloody ages for 6megs |
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| 06:22.11 | Pkekyo| | nagle algorithm? |
| 06:22.13 | Pkekyo| | ~nagle |
| 06:22.22 | Kerafyrm | who the hell knows |
| 06:22.28 | Kerafyrm | i saw that and was like, wtf |
| 06:22.43 | Wobwork | It's on wikipedia |
| 06:22.50 | Wobwork | ~wiki Nagle's Algorithm |
| 06:23.12 | Pkekyo| | oh |
| 06:23.31 | Wobwork | Although every time I see that, I misread it as Nat Pagle's Algorithm |
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| 06:23.51 | Wobwork | and it's like: "Hm, Oh I see, they're fishing for packets..." |
| 06:23.54 | vithos | it queues up acknowledgement packets for up to 500ms, delaying them |
| 06:23.57 | Pkekyo| | is freezing trap the iceblock one? |
| 06:24.01 | Wobwork | yes |
| 06:24.22 | Pkekyo| | so basicly, a huntard can iceblock an entire arenateam now? >.< |
| 06:24.23 | Wobwork | wouldn't really make sense if the slowing one only affected one target |
| 06:24.26 | Wobwork | no |
| 06:24.29 | Wobwork | three at most |
| 06:24.36 | Wobwork | if he's got good timing |
| 06:24.40 | Wobwork | and only for a few seconds |
| 06:24.44 | Pkekyo| | that's bloody ridiculous |
| 06:24.45 | Bruners | how can freeze 3? |
| 06:24.51 | vithos | hunters have always been able to freeze 3 |
| 06:24.52 | Wobwork | set a trap, wait for cooldown |
| 06:25.01 | Wobwork | trap one, set another trap |
| 06:25.03 | Arrowmaster | and be speced survival |
| 06:25.04 | Wobwork | trap second |
| 06:25.08 | Wobwork | use prep and trap a third |
| 06:25.09 | vithos | this change is reverting a change last patch that made us unable to |
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| 06:25.23 | Wobwork | (Where prep = hunter reset cooldown talent) |
| 06:25.24 | Ellipsis | [10:19:42 pm] <Pkekyo|> Ellipsis: where'd you get the idea norwegians learn brit english btw? :p |
| 06:25.27 | Bruners | in arena traps only lasts 10seconds |
| 06:25.32 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: I have norwegian friends of course :P |
| 06:25.38 | Wobwork | Bruners: It's still possible |
| 06:25.48 | Wobwork | Just ... for a much shorter amount of actual trap time =) |
| 06:25.51 | Wobwork | so not very useful |
| 06:25.54 | Pkekyo| | they fail horribly then, I haven't heard brit english mentioned in school for ages :p |
| 06:26.05 | Ellipsis | pfft |
| 06:26.23 | Pkekyo| | I've decided to learn irish-english instead, aye |
| 06:26.29 | Ellipsis | all the norwegians I know speak british english with a norwegian accent |
| 06:26.29 | Wobwork | to be sure |
| 06:26.42 | Wobwork | top o' the mornin to ye, Pkekyo |
| 06:26.58 | Pkekyo| | "ai spiik værri værri gudd inglish vitt a værri værri bæd nårvidjæn ækksænt" :p |
| 06:27.02 | Pkekyo| | Wobwork: g'mornin |
| 06:27.09 | Bruners | what is the difference of brit english and other englishses? |
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| 06:27.16 | Wobwork | nahnah, proper response is "And the rest of the day to ye!" |
| 06:27.43 | Pkekyo| | ~lart Wobwork |
| 06:27.43 | purl | declares Wobwork a moron |
| 06:27.44 | Pkekyo| | :p |
| 06:27.51 | Pkekyo| | ouh, never seen that lart before |
| 06:28.14 | Pkekyo| | Bruners: ie, enGB uses alot more u's than enUS (colour / color) etc |
| 06:28.23 | bigzero | Ellipsis, I looked at Fizzle code...if Fingers, Neck are displaying right for you, it should display Tabard too |
| 06:29.05 | Wobwork | Pkekyo|: If you want to learn irish english, you -have- to learn these phrases right =P |
| 06:29.12 | Wobwork | (tobesuretobesure) |
| 06:29.29 | Pkekyo| | ~lart Wobwork |
| 06:29.29 | purl | beats Wobwork over the head with a microkernel |
| 06:29.32 | Wobwork | also, refer to -anyone- as 'your man' or 'your woman' |
| 06:29.34 | Pkekyo| | ouh, another new one :p |
| 06:29.54 | Wobwork | just who precisely you're referring to is left as an exercise to the listener |
| 06:30.04 | Pkekyo| | Wobwork: 'your' as in mine, or 'your' as in theirs? :p |
| 06:30.11 | Wobwork | yes |
| 06:30.16 | Pkekyo| | bwahah |
| 06:30.21 | Pkekyo| | great answer |
| 06:30.29 | Wobwork | "You hear what your man said!? I couldn't believe it meself!" |
| 06:30.58 | Wobwork | although it's often used when saying neutral to bad things about people |
| 06:31.04 | Wobwork | good things are "my man/woman" |
| 06:31.18 | Wobwork | kind of how parents say to one another "You hear what your son did today?" |
| 06:31.34 | Wobwork | although less so =) |
| 06:32.09 | Pkekyo| | Patchnotes: "Blade's Edge Mountains: Players accepting the bombing run quests in Blade's Edge Plateaus will no longer cause other players in the region to stand up." <--- WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?! |
| 06:32.57 | Wobwork | inorite? |
| 06:33.04 | Wobwork | Pissed me off no end =P |
| 06:33.29 | Pkekyo| | how in sam's hell would a bug like that come to exist anyways?! |
| 06:33.40 | vithos | almost as bad as the shartul event putting the entire zone in combat when it ends |
| 06:33.49 | Pkekyo| | lmfao |
| 06:33.53 | bigzero | they've been fixing the stand-up bugs for a while now |
| 06:34.11 | vithos | and i mean permanent combat. |
| 06:34.26 | Pkekyo| | that stuff is just bloody ridiculous, how do they manage to fail so hard? |
| 06:34.34 | Pkekyo| | should be illegal to fail that hard |
| 06:34.45 | Pkekyo| | leik srsly |
| 06:34.46 | Wobwork | omg |
| 06:34.48 | Wobwork | Mad World |
| 06:34.51 | Wobwork | done in Gregorian Chant |
| 06:35.05 | Wobwork | iTunes, you are amazing =P |
| 06:35.23 | vithos | do want |
| 06:35.25 | Pkekyo| | say what? |
| 06:35.30 | Bruners | anyone that know of a good data recovery application for xp ? |
| 06:35.31 | Pkekyo| | sense...you make none! |
| 06:35.46 | Pkekyo| | Bruners: recovering what data from what? |
| 06:35.47 | vithos | you don't know the song mad world? |
| 06:35.59 | Wobwork | Originally by Tears for Fears |
| 06:36.07 | Wobwork | but brought back by the Donnie Darko movie |
| 06:36.15 | Pkekyo| | Bruners: the type of recovery that goes something along the lines of "oh shit, shouldn't have emptied the recycling bin? |
| 06:36.22 | Wobwork | by Gary Jules |
| 06:36.27 | Wobwork | with a cool music video |
| 06:36.29 | Pkekyo| | I always fall asleep during Donnie Darko |
| 06:36.31 | Wobwork | look on youtube |
| 06:36.38 | Bruners | Pkekyo|: data from my harddrive which has has its partition table etc fucked up |
| 06:36.55 | Pkekyo| | I'd say you're fucked |
| 06:36.55 | bigzero | hmmmm, that's a little tough |
| 06:36.56 | vithos | Bruners: R-Studio |
| 06:37.18 | Bruners | Pkekyo|: who uses the recycling bin anyways? |
| 06:37.22 | Bruners | vithos: thanks |
| 06:37.35 | Pkekyo| | Bruners: I do, never learned the habit of shift-deleting |
| 06:39.00 | bigzero | http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9401967776/m/8321943549 |
| 06:39.07 | bigzero | that's what I always figured |
| 06:39.33 | bigzero | but then there are so many "official" posts online saying that you would get killed if something dropped in the tub |
| 06:41.59 | Bruners | http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9895/mediumdscn7823bz0.jpg |
| 06:42.41 | bigzero | yeah, that's why i was researching |
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| 06:43.20 | bigzero | i was just thinking that it really wasn't that dangerous |
| 06:43.39 | vithos | i'm confused by that picture. |
| 06:43.39 | Killmore | Bruners: wtf ? |
| 06:44.00 | bigzero | there's no reason for electric current to travel through your body when it has a much more conductive path to ground |
| 06:44.08 | Recluse | anyone reason these two macros would 'hang', even tho they were fine last night? http://recluse.pastey.net/80372 |
| 06:44.38 | bigzero | Recluse, i heard castsequence is acting up |
| 06:44.39 | Pkekyo| | Bruners: what_the_flying_fuck |
| 06:44.44 | bigzero | look on the wow forums |
| 06:45.07 | Recluse | i know they added some toggle "!", but not sure why it'd affect current macros |
| 06:45.23 | bigzero | Recluse, what do you mean hanging anyway? |
| 06:45.48 | Pkekyo| | lagging, I'd imagine? |
| 06:46.06 | Recluse | works fine most of the time, but every now and then the macro gets stuck - pressing the macro does nothing. have to detarget and retarget to 'reset' the macro |
| 06:46.10 | Pkekyo| | or stopping randomly before the macro sequence has completed? |
| 06:46.24 | Recluse | second one, right - random stoppage |
| 06:46.32 | Pkekyo| | Recluse: what macro you having problems with? |
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| 06:46.41 | Recluse | Pkekyo: http://recluse.pastey.net/80372 |
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| 06:47.15 | Recluse | both were perfect last night, never hung |
| 06:47.37 | bigzero | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773364525&sid=1 |
| 06:47.48 | bigzero | a bunch of people are having the issue |
| 06:47.56 | bigzero | not in the first post, but if you read on |
| 06:47.58 | Pkekyo| | rofl, just noticed my one of my pants got "100% cotton" written inside it in about 100 languages :p |
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| 06:48.33 | Pkekyo| | can't help you on that one Recluse, no idea what the issue is |
| 06:48.54 | Recluse | yeah, it's very strange lol - had to have been the patch tho, when they implemented the "!" command |
| 06:49.44 | Pkekyo| | aye |
| 06:49.50 | Pkekyo| | what does "!" do anyways? |
| 06:50.07 | Recluse | something to do with "toggling abilities" have to read patch notes again |
| 06:50.16 | Pkekyo| | oh shit |
| 06:50.20 | Pkekyo| | I should be at school in 10min |
| 06:51.16 | Pkekyo| | it's a 15 min drive |
| 06:51.32 | Pkekyo| | needless to say, I'm off...laters peeps |
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| 06:54.10 | Recluse | thanks for the link anyhow - nice when you're not alone. hope they fix it D= |
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| 06:56.36 | xyu | probably old news but check this monitor out, http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/alienware-curved-display-rocks-crysis-at-2880-x-900/ |
| 06:56.51 | Kerafyrm | nice |
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| 07:06.37 | CIA-4 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 07:06.37 | CIA-4 | - 2.3.2 icon changes |
| 07:06.54 | CIA-4 | 03hegarol * r58104 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/sets.en.lua: |
| 07:06.54 | CIA-4 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
| 07:06.54 | CIA-4 | - 2.3.2 icon changes |
| 07:10.44 | Ellipsis | hm |
| 07:11.00 | Ellipsis | so, PvP sucks |
| 07:13.26 | Kerafyrm | oh? |
| 07:13.52 | Ellipsis | I always suspected that it did |
| 07:13.58 | Ellipsis | but now I can say I've actually done it! |
| 07:14.31 | Kerafyrm | What do you find about pvp that "sucks"? |
| 07:14.45 | Ellipsis | it's dumb and fails |
| 07:14.50 | Ellipsis | ^well thought-out argument |
| 07:14.51 | Kerafyrm | gotcha |
| 07:14.54 | Kerafyrm | agreed |
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| 08:05.45 | CIA-4 | TradeskillInfo: |
| 08:05.45 | CIA-4 | - Update zhCN local |
| 08:06.27 | CIA-4 | 03cwdg * r58106 10TradeskillInfoUI/TradeskillInfoUI-zhCN.lua: |
| 08:06.27 | CIA-4 | TradeskillInfoUI: |
| 08:06.27 | CIA-4 | - Update zhCN local |
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| 08:10.26 | CIA-4 | GPriceEach: |
| 08:10.26 | CIA-4 | - Show the peText always |
| 08:10.26 | CIA-4 | - Change FormatPrice value |
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| 08:23.13 | TNSe | rofl |
| 08:23.21 | TNSe | disabling pagle = I went from 250 ping to 60 |
| 08:23.33 | TNSe | uh, nice. |
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| 08:26.13 | CIA-4 | 03slake333 * r58108 10Scrub/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:26.13 | CIA-4 | Scrub: 1.1.6 |
| 08:26.13 | CIA-4 | - Disabled scanning while you are dead |
| 08:26.13 | CIA-4 | - ROGUE: Improved Gouge check removed |
| 08:26.13 | CIA-4 | - MAGE: Burning Soul check triggers on deeper fire specs |
| 08:26.14 | CIA-4 | - MAGE: Frost Warding check removed |
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| 08:34.57 | Fisker- | :(? |
| 08:35.03 | Fisker- | did blizzard screw up again? |
| 08:35.28 | Kerafyrm | in what way? |
| 08:35.30 | Fisker- | my tailoring panel isn't going back to the left of the screen when closing the spellbook |
| 08:37.32 | Gngsk | that's always happened now and then |
| 08:38.11 | Fisker- | first time it's EVAR happened here |
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| 08:50.13 | evl | Any undocumented changes in 2.3.2? |
| 08:51.38 | Gngsk | yeah |
| 08:51.42 | Gngsk | they buffed fisherman's feast recipe |
| 08:54.10 | Fisker- | :I |
| 08:56.29 | Ellipsis | they did? |
| 08:56.39 | Ellipsis | what's it do now? |
| 08:57.43 | Gngsk | 1 huge spotted feltail, 5 goldenbark apple, 5 soothing spices = 6 fisherman's feast |
| 08:57.49 | Ellipsis | wtf |
| 08:57.51 | Ellipsis | broken |
| 08:57.56 | Gngsk | buffed |
| 08:58.03 | Ellipsis | as if crawdad wasn't worthless already |
| 08:58.54 | Gngsk | big deal? |
| 08:59.51 | Ellipsis | meh |
| 09:00.52 | Fisker- | bawww |
| 09:01.17 | Fisker- | i got those fucking stupid buffs up the wazoo |
| 09:01.24 | Fisker- | had like 20 stacks of spicy crawdad |
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| 09:03.16 | evl | <3 rogue buffs :P |
| 09:03.24 | evl | kill level 61-63 talbuks = best food |
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| 09:07.01 | CIA-4 | 03arkayenro * r58109 10ArkInventory/ (16 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:07.01 | CIA-4 | ArkInventory: |
| 09:07.01 | CIA-4 | - 2.26a |
| 09:10.45 | Fisker- | OH |
| 09:10.45 | Fisker- | MY |
| 09:10.47 | Fisker- | FUCKING |
| 09:10.48 | Fisker- | GOD |
| 09:10.56 | Ellipsis | o rly? |
| 09:11.12 | Fisker- | Someone named "Deamoncrushe" |
| 09:11.29 | Fisker- | The least he could've done is to remove the a to get a r in the end |
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| 09:17.59 | Orionshock | fk, can't use logic operators in string concatonation |
| 09:18.07 | Ellipsis | ? |
| 09:18.15 | Kerafyrm | nope you can't |
| 09:18.31 | Ellipsis | use them how? o.O |
| 09:18.43 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.49 | Ellipsis | yeah you can... |
| 09:19.01 | Orionshock | ... not the way i wanted it to be used. |
| 09:19.24 | Ellipsis | lua> (0 and "true" or "false") .. ", " .. (1 and "true" or "false") |
| 09:19.24 | lua_bot | Ellipsis: true, true |
| 09:19.28 | Orionshock | i want the value of player1 , witch when nil i want to see Unknown |
| 09:20.09 | Orionshock | meh, dosn't matter too much atm.. |
| 09:20.14 | Ellipsis | lua> player2 = "test"; (player1 or "Unknown") .. (player2 or "Unknown") |
| 09:20.14 | lua_bot | Ellipsis: sandbox.lua:298: Compilation failed: [string "player2 = "test"; (player1 or "Unknown") .. (player2 or "Unknow..."]:1: syntax error near '..' |
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| 09:20.30 | krka | lua> (player or "unknown") .. " sucks" |
| 09:20.30 | lua_bot | krka: unknown sucks |
| 09:20.32 | Ellipsis | bah humbug |
| 09:21.56 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.00 | krka | lua> player2 = "test"; return (player1 or "Unknown") .. (player2 or "Unknown") |
| 09:22.01 | lua_bot | krka: Unknowntest |
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| 09:23.16 | Ellipsis | so what's the problem exactly Orionshock? |
| 09:23.43 | Orionshock | formatting :P |
| 09:23.50 | Kerafyrm | heheh |
| 09:25.29 | Fisker- | lulz |
| 09:25.36 | Fisker- | i also get 2 of those feltails for fishermans feast |
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| 09:59.25 | NeoTron | progress. only 2 wipes on Archimonde before the kill |
| 09:59.35 | NeoTron | maybe we're finally starting to learn that boss for real (3rd kill) |
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| 10:06.01 | capullo | neotron: gz |
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| 10:07.00 | capullo | we killed illidan already september and we still have wipes on archi :P |
| 10:09.27 | vithos | we finally got a 4th shaman in on archimonde last week, and 1shot him |
| 10:09.47 | Orionshock | ! IT WORKS ! |
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| 10:17.04 | sag_ich_nicht | ~poke Antiarc |
| 10:17.05 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Antiarc, pokes Antiarc repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 10:31.27 | Orionshock | lua> if true then return end |
| 10:31.27 | lua_bot | Orionshock: |
| 10:31.32 | Orionshock | aight :D |
| 10:33.13 | [AR]Camci | lo folks anyone know if there is an addon that shows all the druids rebirth cooldowns and such? |
| 10:33.19 | [AR]Camci | in the raid* |
| 10:38.54 | Kalroth | oRA2 |
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| 10:45.51 | Kerafyrm | omg! natur enemy cast bar is dead! |
| 10:47.58 | sag_ich_nicht | omg funkeydude will probably take it over! |
| 10:48.00 | sag_ich_nicht | omg panic! |
| 10:48.10 | Kerafyrm | lol |
| 10:48.20 | Kerafyrm | you already knew, huh sag? |
| 10:49.09 | CIA-4 | 03pettigrow * r58110 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: Tradeskill: frFR Update |
| 10:49.22 | sag_ich_nicht | 8D |
| 10:49.35 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 10:49.42 | sag_ich_nicht | someone tell me what's going wrong here: http://pastey.net/80376 |
| 10:50.05 | sag_ich_nicht | ~poke Xinhuan |
| 10:50.05 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Xinhuan, pokes Xinhuan repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 10:50.12 | Xinhuan | ~slap sag_ich_nicht |
| 10:50.13 | purl | ACTION slaps sag_ich_nicht, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 10:50.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Hello, Xinhuan the ever Helpful |
| 10:50.56 | Xinhuan | not now, i'm in hyjal |
| 10:51.07 | sag_ich_nicht | oh, nice, how far? |
| 10:51.18 | Xinhuan | just killed anetheron |
| 10:51.22 | sag_ich_nicht | nice |
| 10:51.32 | Xinhuan | gonna see if we can kill archi by tonight before raid ends in 2 hours |
| 10:51.38 | sag_ich_nicht | :O |
| 10:51.44 | sag_ich_nicht | go for it |
| 10:53.15 | Xinhuan | appears to be a taint from DoubleWide |
| 10:53.50 | Xinhuan | QuestLog_Update() cannot afford to be tainted |
| 10:55.06 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: Hyjal is very doable in 2 hours, especially if you're done looting Aneth :) |
| 10:55.23 | Xinhuan | assuming no wipes on trash |
| 10:55.33 | Kalroth | (I bet I caused a wipe by making his irc client blink and now the MT doesn't get healed) |
| 10:55.41 | Xinhuan | i'm a mage |
| 10:55.43 | Xinhuan | i died anyway |
| 10:55.43 | Kalroth | oh |
| 10:55.51 | Xinhuan | on purpose |
| 10:55.54 | Xinhuan | so i can zone out |
| 10:55.57 | Kalroth | AE, AE, AE, AE, res plz |
| 10:55.58 | Xinhuan | to upgrade revered -> exalted ring |
| 10:56.19 | Kalroth | are you at least frost?! |
| 10:56.33 | Xinhuan | 2/47/11+1 spec buddy |
| 10:56.38 | Xinhuan | where have you been? |
| 10:56.39 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 10:57.09 | Kalroth | Fire sucks, it hurts your repair bills :) |
| 10:57.17 | Xinhuan | got ice block now |
| 10:57.18 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 10:57.28 | Kalroth | Yeah, cheat |
| 10:57.39 | Kalroth | Warriors got .. a nerf! |
| 10:57.53 | Kalroth | time for lunch, yay |
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| 11:03.41 | Antiarc | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/04/this-weeks-must-see-vide_n_79615.html <-- first video. |
| 11:03.42 | Antiarc | Wow. |
| 11:03.43 | Antiarc | Wow. |
| 11:03.47 | Kerafyrm | ? |
| 11:04.05 | sag_ich_nicht | hi Antiarc |
| 11:04.40 | sag_ich_nicht | what was with all the new commits? found something by yourself or was that from what i found? |
| 11:04.52 | Antiarc | Xinhuan tracked down a lot of stuff |
| 11:05.01 | Antiarc | They should hopfully fix up the string_char issues |
| 11:05.16 | Xinhuan | you didn't check for -1/0 |
| 11:05.17 | Xinhuan | only 1/0 |
| 11:05.35 | Xinhuan | also you're still throwing the error |
| 11:05.41 | Xinhuan | rather than fail silently |
| 11:06.04 | Antiarc | Yes, I'm throwing the error, but it should give me a useful stack trace |
| 11:06.12 | Antiarc | ie, tell me where the infinites are coming from |
| 11:06.16 | Antiarc | And yeah, I need to check -1/0 |
| 11:06.52 | Xinhuan | check vhaar's stack traces, that's the only ones we got |
| 11:07.19 | Antiarc | The problem with those is that they're coming off of a fired event, which doesn't reveal the source of the bad data |
| 11:07.34 | Antiarc | The new error calls should cause stack dumps at more useful places |
| 11:07.39 | Xinhuan | parser4 doesn't divide anything though, so shouldn't be it |
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| 11:09.35 | Antiarc | bedtimes for me. |
| 11:09.37 | Antiarc | Night all. |
| 11:10.16 | sag_ich_nicht | night Antiarc |
| 11:10.28 | sag_ich_nicht | now who's willing to tell me what WoW is going here: http://pastey.net/80376 ? |
| 11:10.39 | sag_ich_nicht | s/going/doing/ |
| 11:11.26 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: give patch for acecomm! |
| 11:11.34 | Xinhuan | hehehe |
| 11:11.48 | Xinhuan | should just give me commit access |
| 11:11.55 | vhaarr | yeah but I can't do that |
| 11:12.00 | vhaarr | only kael can |
| 11:12.02 | vhaarr | afaik' |
| 11:12.29 | Xinhuan | i also found/highlighted stuff in aceserializer3.0 last week too that needed fixing |
| 11:12.38 | sag_ich_nicht | [12:04] <+Antiarc> Xinhuan tracked down a lot of stuff <--that's because he's a damn machine. |
| 11:12.48 | Fisker- | nah sag_ich_nicht |
| 11:12.52 | Xinhuan | brb on wave 8/8 of 3rd hyjal boss |
| 11:12.57 | Fisker- | not even a machine could work that efficiently |
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| 11:13.05 | Fisker- | telling your guild you're afk omg! |
| 11:13.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- true, he's a chinese. |
| 11:13.19 | sag_ich_nicht | that's worse. |
| 11:14.05 | Xinhuan | friends frame seems to be causing taints |
| 11:14.09 | Xinhuan | in combat |
| 11:15.17 | sag_ich_nicht | well duh, when else would it taint :P |
| 11:15.24 | sag_ich_nicht | -taint +cause problems |
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| 11:18.38 | CIA-4 | 03pettigrow * r58111 10BankItems/localization-frFR.lua: BankItems: frFR Update |
| 11:19.41 | Xinhuan | [Design: Stormy Empyrean Sapphire] [Beast-tamer's Shoulders] [Leggings of Channeled Elements] |
| 11:19.44 | Xinhuan | chuckle |
| 11:19.54 | nekoh | <3 legs |
| 11:20.06 | nekoh | best ingame |
| 11:21.21 | Xinhuan | not enough dkp hehe, i just took winterchill offhand |
| 11:22.40 | vhaarr | what a nice gem design to drop from a end-game pve boss |
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| 11:24.20 | Xinhuan | i hope double mage/rogue drops from azgalor |
| 11:24.29 | Xinhuan | cos i'm behind anothe rogue in dkp |
| 11:25.23 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: from what I can see the number serialize fix would just be to move the inf if's up above the math_floor if, right? |
| 11:25.29 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 11:25.35 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: so I can patch it myself, but the problem is I can't test anything |
| 11:25.41 | vhaarr | so I'd rather you patched it and gave me a diff |
| 11:25.42 | Xinhuan | i would imagine someone moved it below to optimize the if-then-else |
| 11:26.00 | Xinhuan | with more common occurances on top |
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| 11:27.13 | Xinhuan | i'm not making a patch file mid-raid :D |
| 11:27.17 | Xinhuan | maybe later |
| 11:27.58 | vhaarr | yeah seems ckk did it in rev 41504 |
| 11:28.00 | sb_ | mh |
| 11:28.05 | vhaarr | from what I can see from svn blame |
| 11:28.13 | sb_ | wtb framexml diff |
| 11:28.18 | vhaarr | make one :P |
| 11:28.22 | Xinhuan | did he explicitly swap the ordering? |
| 11:28.34 | sb_ | vhaarr: well, i'm sure there is already one ;) |
| 11:28.40 | Xinhuan | of the if-then-elses |
| 11:28.57 | Xinhuan | optimizing is the only reason i can think of |
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| 11:30.27 | sag_ich_nicht | vhaarr just do it, if it breaks i'll yell at you. oh, and that stubby catcher you wrote, it doesn't work properly. also, be sure to add a comment that this is intentional and shouldn't be optimized... not like we need someone "optimizing" it again |
| 11:30.30 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart ckknight |
| 11:30.30 | purl | smacks ckknight up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 11:30.34 | vhaarr | nevermind, it looks like it has been this way since the initial svn import |
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| 11:30.43 | sag_ich_nicht | oh okay. |
| 11:30.46 | sag_ich_nicht | nevermind then :> |
| 11:30.52 | Xinhuan | lol fail |
| 11:30.59 | Xinhuan | you people wrote ace2 without even testing it? |
| 11:31.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan yes they did |
| 11:32.10 | sag_ich_nicht | half of the coders in here don't even have a WoW to debug with anymore |
| 11:32.32 | sag_ich_nicht | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773364525&sid=1 btw., looks like castsequence is breaking when the target is out of range |
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| 11:34.51 | Xinhuan | hi wobin |
| 11:44.10 | CIA-4 | 03rabbit * r58112 10Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: .AceComm-2.0: Fix number serializing thanks to Xinhuan, and a few other small tuneups that I had locally, hopefully nothing breaks - someone test it\! |
| 11:45.20 | Kerafyrm | lol |
| 11:45.28 | Kerafyrm | rabbit = vharr? |
| 11:45.31 | Xinhuan | yes |
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| 11:45.59 | vhaarr | right |
| 11:46.02 | vhaarr | now test! |
| 11:47.06 | vhaarr | sag_ich_nicht: so the stubby catcher doesn't work at all? that's weird, can you tell me how to reproduce a bug then? |
| 11:47.18 | vhaarr | sag_ich_nicht: so that I can actually test it before I make changes and commit next time |
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| 11:59.54 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: still need to fix table serializing, I'm not going to do that without being able to test it first |
| 12:00.08 | Xinhuan | azgalor at 2% |
| 12:00.20 | Xinhuan | by test, what do you want me to do? |
| 12:00.52 | Xinhuan | just insert a "islist = false" |
| 12:00.55 | vhaarr | make sure that a table serialized by a patched AceComm is properly deserialized by an older AceComm revision |
| 12:01.22 | vhaarr | a table that would break the old serializer, I mean |
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| 12:01.37 | Xinhuan | just insert a "islist = false" or remove the "islist check", so that a patched acecomm will never serialize tables as a list anymore |
| 12:01.47 | Xinhuan | the deserializer will still deserialize lists fine |
| 12:02.01 | CIA-4 | 03gagorian * r58113 10DrDamage/ (Data/Paladin.lua Data/Warrior.lua DrDamage.lua): |
| 12:02.01 | CIA-4 | DrDamage: |
| 12:02.02 | CIA-4 | - Fixed Improved Holy Shield spell damage coefficient |
| 12:02.02 | CIA-4 | - Fixed paladin/warrior one/two-hander specialization final coefficients on startup |
| 12:02.26 | Xinhuan | [Shady Dealer's Pantaloons] [Gloves of the Forgotten Conqueror] [Gloves of the Forgotten Protector] |
| 12:02.27 | Xinhuan | QQ |
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| 12:02.29 | Xinhuan | no mage gloves |
| 12:03.41 | Peragor | Anyone know why I'm getting a Error: MKACTIVITY of '/wowace/!svn/act/4d5b995d-5e49-3c49-b426-cc1efcda169e': 403 Forbidden (http://svn.wowace.com) |
| 12:03.57 | Peragor | when I try to commit changes? |
| 12:04.09 | vhaarr | Peragor: because you're committing to svn.wowace.com |
| 12:04.12 | Xinhuan | you can only commit to dev.wowace.com |
| 12:04.14 | vhaarr | use dev.wowace.com |
| 12:04.20 | vhaarr | svn. is read only |
| 12:04.48 | exor674 | Xinhuan: you killed a shady dealer? |
| 12:04.55 | Peragor | Does upgrading TortoisSVN screw it up? It was working before |
| 12:05.04 | vhaarr | Peragor: no, you screwed it up |
| 12:05.10 | Peragor | Haha, ok |
| 12:05.10 | exor674 | and if not what was whatever you killed doing with a shady dealer's pants |
| 12:05.22 | Xinhuan | you checked out from svn.wowace.com instead of dev.wowace.com |
| 12:05.25 | Xinhuan | wrong address |
| 12:05.34 | Peragor | Thank you |
| 12:05.36 | Xinhuan | svn.wowace is a readonly mirror site of dev.wowace |
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| 12:08.26 | CIA-4 | 03peragor * r58114 10GridStatusHealer/ (GridStatusHealer.lua GridStatusHealer.toc): |
| 12:08.26 | CIA-4 | GridStatusHealer: |
| 12:08.26 | CIA-4 | - Changed color of second priority to more of an orange-yellow to make it easier to tell the difference between the two priorities |
| 12:08.26 | CIA-4 | - Added support for the Ace3 version of VisualHeal |
| 12:08.28 | CIA-4 | - Reduced redundant maintank detection code |
| 12:09.19 | Peragor | Thanks for the help guys |
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| 12:10.46 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: test this patch then http://ace.pastey.net/80381 |
| 12:10.51 | vhaarr | or review it at least |
| 12:11.39 | CIA-4 | 03ammo * r58115 10oRA2/Leader/Ready.lua: |
| 12:11.39 | CIA-4 | oRA2: Make the leader readycheck module use the blizzard readychecks. |
| 12:11.40 | CIA-4 | All assistants/leaders will get the report window. |
| 12:11.40 | CIA-4 | Participant readycheck module untouched incase your raidleader doesn't use an updated oRA2 or uses CTRA. |
| 12:12.14 | nevcairiel | yay for ammo |
| 12:12.22 | [Ammo] | I am teh pro |
| 12:12.38 | [Ammo] | I just hope I copy pasted the code correctly from my PTR module :) |
| 12:12.49 | [Ammo] | and that they didn't change it all for live |
| 12:12.49 | nevcairiel | hehe |
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| 12:14.19 | sb_ | wtb heart of darkness :/ |
| 12:14.38 | exor674 | wtb soul :P |
| 12:14.43 | vithos | what are you wanting to craft? |
| 12:15.02 | sb_ | shadow res gear :p |
| 12:16.08 | vithos | i've been thinking about making binding of lightning reflexes |
| 12:16.34 | sb_ | with only ~180 hearts we dont have that option yet :o |
| 12:16.48 | CIA-4 | 03ammo * r58116 10oRA2/Optional/MainTank.lua: oRA2: when the maintanks get updated in combat schedule an update for after combat. |
| 12:17.08 | exor674 | ... 180? |
| 12:17.10 | [Ammo] | that should fix the MT rebroadcasting issues |
| 12:17.13 | harldephin | so. what's REALLY happened to 2.3.1 ? |
| 12:17.16 | vithos | i don't remember how many we have, but we've cleared all content so it's not like we need more SR |
| 12:17.23 | exor674 | harldephin: I ate it for lunch! |
| 12:17.27 | vithos | but at the same time, i'd be the first person to use them for anything else |
| 12:17.28 | sb_ | exor674: hm, yes? :o |
| 12:17.36 | vithos | so i'm hesitant |
| 12:18.27 | CIA-4 | 03joshborke 07Ace3 * r58117 10RaidCast/RaidCast.lua: RaidCast: added colorByClass functionality |
| 12:18.38 | Xinhuan | vhaarr, the diff looks fine to me on paper, i didn't actually apply it midraid though |
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| 12:19.25 | sb_ | mh, wait - you got time to read that diff but no time to apply the patch + reload and revert it in case it doesnt work? :p |
| 12:19.33 | harldephin | exor674: what a shame.. :p |
| 12:19.40 | exor674 | I was hungry! |
| 12:19.52 | Fisker- | yaaaaaaaaay |
| 12:19.57 | Fisker- | my original main can get the ce pets now |
| 12:20.01 | Fisker- | i sure showed the GM's |
| 12:20.09 | Fisker- | "Nooo you have to recreate your character" |
| 12:20.16 | Fisker- | 3 years later i can say, up yours i was right |
| 12:20.17 | Fisker- | haha |
| 12:20.36 | vithos | what are you talking about fisker |
| 12:20.54 | Fisker- | they've been sending out the voucher for the CE pets in the mail |
| 12:20.55 | JoshBorke | CE people got new pets in the mail |
| 12:21.02 | vithos | what is CE? |
| 12:21.07 | JoshBorke | collectors edition |
| 12:21.10 | vithos | oh. |
| 12:21.21 | Xinhuan | lol you threw yours away in the first place? |
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| 12:21.26 | Fisker- | no |
| 12:21.33 | Xinhuan | you can't recomplete the quest btw, if you've already done it once |
| 12:21.34 | Fisker- | i made my account with the 10 day trial |
| 12:21.39 | Fisker- | and didn't want to relevel |
| 12:21.46 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/08/reader-ui-of-the-week-slazareth-the-moonkin/ |
| 12:21.47 | Fisker- | or the 14 day i believe it was back then |
| 12:21.48 | RaydenUni | simlar to my layout |
| 12:22.03 | Fisker- | so i never got the voucher |
| 12:22.06 | CIA-4 | 03ammo * r58118 10oRA2/Optional/MainTank.lua: oRA2: register for regen enabled to make the maintank thing work |
| 12:22.16 | Fisker- | i asked a GM if i could get it, and he said only if i made a new character |
| 12:22.18 | nevcairiel | man i hate patches, now my item cache is empty again |
| 12:22.22 | Fisker- | But he was wrong |
| 12:22.26 | Fisker- | 3 years later, HE WAS WRONG |
| 12:22.27 | Fisker- | OMG OWNED |
| 12:26.57 | CIA-4 | 03ammo * r58119 10oRA2/Leader/Ready.lua: oRA2: don't create a function every readycheck |
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| 12:29.46 | CIA-4 | 03rabbit * r58120 10Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: .AceComm-2.0: Attempt to fix table serializing, not tested either. Thanks to Xinhuan for debugging the problem. |
| 12:30.03 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: right, test it now then please, I won't be able to test anything until sunday |
| 12:30.04 | Xinhuan | 1-shot archimonde |
| 12:30.11 | Xinhuan | 2% now |
| 12:30.26 | Xinhuan | i'll download it after |
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| 12:30.34 | nevcairiel | we so failed on archimonde on sunday, but i blame our tank, he failed at stance-dance |
| 12:30.40 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 12:30.48 | vhaarr | ally tanks ftl :P |
| 12:30.58 | [Ammo] | ours do pretty well |
| 12:31.02 | nevcairiel | killed him monday with another tank |
| 12:31.06 | nevcairiel | pretty fast |
| 12:31.08 | [Ammo] | we lacked dorf priests for a long time |
| 12:31.11 | vhaarr | yeah they should, it's pretty easy |
| 12:31.12 | [Ammo] | so they learned fast :) |
| 12:31.19 | Xinhuan | [Legguards of Endless Rage] [Leggings of Eternity] [Helm of the Forgotten Conqueror]x2 |
| 12:31.25 | sb_ | mh - failed as in "there was fire, i had to move" -> fear... -> wipe |
| 12:31.27 | Xinhuan | [Design: Stormy Empyrean Sapphire] (AGAIN ROFL) |
| 12:31.29 | sb_ | ? |
| 12:31.34 | Xinhuan | can i kill blizzard now? |
| 12:31.40 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 12:31.56 | nevcairiel | conqueror .. man .. we had that drop for the last weeks too |
| 12:32.06 | RaydenUni | is there a way to check the gear of anyone on the server if you are logged in? |
| 12:32.12 | nevcairiel | all warlocks, half the priests and half the paladins got their head already |
| 12:32.17 | sb_ | RaydenUni: armory? :p |
| 12:32.26 | sb_ | nevcairiel: same here :p |
| 12:32.38 | RaydenUni | no in game |
| 12:32.44 | nevcairiel | (on another not, illidari council double-drops warrior/shaman/hunter three weeks in a row too) |
| 12:32.56 | RaydenUni | in reading about the armory being down i keep hearing about rolling an alt on a server to check someone's gear |
| 12:32.59 | nevcairiel | we even random roll those for secondary equip already o.O |
| 12:33.12 | RaydenUni | "had to make level 1 alts on different realms to inspect gear of cross-server guild applicants." |
| 12:33.20 | RaydenUni | or just to login and look at them i guess |
| 12:33.30 | nevcairiel | yeah, login and walk up to them :P |
| 12:33.49 | RaydenUni | my character is back on the armory now |
| 12:33.51 | RaydenUni | so fixed? |
| 12:36.48 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: Lucky sods :p |
| 12:37.01 | nevcairiel | that sucks |
| 12:37.04 | nevcairiel | wtb other drops |
| 12:37.21 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: We've got uhhh, 10+ Archimonde kills, not one war/sha/hun token yet. |
| 12:37.22 | sb_ | get another loot master, haha :/ |
| 12:37.23 | vithos | we tend to get the same shit for months and months off most bosses as well |
| 12:37.23 | nevcairiel | who cares about f'ing dps equip for our resto shamans, we need raiding equip for the others |
| 12:38.08 | sb_ | nevcairiel: do you have fixed raid dates for each instance? |
| 12:38.18 | sb_ | like sunday MH, monday BT, ...? |
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| 12:39.12 | nevcairiel | we're at 9 archimonde kills, thats 18 tokens, 3 warr/sha/hun, 8 lock/pri/pal, 7 druid/mage/rogue |
| 12:39.16 | Kalroth | sb_: Well all MTs got their Illidan hats by now, so it's ok :) |
| 12:39.41 | sb_ | mhh :o |
| 12:39.46 | sb_ | okay |
| 12:40.01 | nevcairiel | sb_: hm nah, we generally raid wed, thur, sun, mon, tue .. lately we dont raid mon/tue at all, and shift between starting with MH and BT |
| 12:40.18 | nevcairiel | last week started with BT, this week probably with MH |
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| 12:40.43 | Kalroth | heh, we got 10x Helm of the Forgotten Conqueror and 10x Helm of the Forgotten Vanquisher |
| 12:40.45 | Funkeh` | yo |
| 12:40.53 | Stan_ | we always start with bt |
| 12:40.58 | Kalroth | Same |
| 12:41.01 | Stan_ | every wednesday |
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| 12:41.11 | sb_ | wed sucks for raiding :p |
| 12:41.21 | Stan_ | I know but we only had problems once |
| 12:41.22 | CIA-4 | 03joshborke 07Ace3 * r58121 10RaidCast/TODO: RaidCast: updated TODO |
| 12:41.23 | Kalroth | BT on thursdays, clear up to mother/council, depends on how many times bloodboil targets a mage |
| 12:41.30 | JoshBorke | how long should it take to clear the first 3 bosses in TK? |
| 12:41.33 | nevcairiel | we never really had issues on wed |
| 12:41.37 | Kalroth | finish BT and clear Hyjal on sundays |
| 12:41.42 | nevcairiel | JoshBorke: 2 hours tops? |
| 12:41.53 | JoshBorke | hm, alright |
| 12:42.05 | Kalroth | Yeah, around 2 hours, there's a ton of trash |
| 12:42.06 | nevcairiel | more if you suck |
| 12:42.28 | JoshBorke | alright, so if we're still working on it and what we should shoot for 4 |
| 12:42.49 | JoshBorke | s/what/what not/ |
| 12:43.10 | Kalroth | ~30 mins to Al'ar, 10 min kill, ~30 mins to VR, 5-7 min kill, ~30 mins to Solarian, 5-7 min kill |
| 12:43.18 | Kalroth | oh |
| 12:43.25 | Kalroth | So you haven't killed any bosses yet or? |
| 12:43.34 | sb_ | Kalroth: bloodboil sucks with 3-4 mages :/ |
| 12:43.35 | Kalroth | eg. you meant raid hours :) |
| 12:43.51 | JoshBorke | Kalroth: VR down, hopefully get solarian this week |
| 12:43.51 | Kalroth | sb_: fuck yes, I always move those clothass fuckers outside if I get the chance :p |
| 12:43.54 | JoshBorke | Kalroth: so no :-D |
| 12:44.08 | CIA-4 | 03gagorian * r58122 10DrDamage/Data/Paladin.lua: |
| 12:44.08 | CIA-4 | DrDamage: |
| 12:44.08 | CIA-4 | - Attempt to correct SoR calculation |
| 12:44.42 | Kalroth | JoshBorke: Well Solarian is like Geddon now, much easier. Just heal spam whoever she targets. Make sure the retard runs out. It should only take you 1-3 trash-clears to kill her |
| 12:44.44 | JoshBorke | btw, whoever said solarian trash was easiest wasn't lying |
| 12:44.45 | sb_ | JoshBorke: uhm, solarian is easier than VR :p |
| 12:44.57 | Kalroth | Meaning anything from 1-6 hours :) |
| 12:45.02 | JoshBorke | that's what we experienced too kalroth |
| 12:45.24 | Fisker- | anyone unfortunate enough to manage a local key management server for windows vista? |
| 12:45.27 | Kalroth | Al'ar is a little different, it depends on your tanks really |
| 12:45.33 | Health | Kalroth is easy |
| 12:45.56 | Health | Even we got Al'ar to 60% p2! |
| 12:46.03 | Kalroth | Personally we got Al'ar in ~1.5 hours from first pull, but we had just killed Vashj a few hours before, so .. :) |
| 12:46.04 | Fisker- | al'ar is pretty easy |
| 12:46.09 | Fisker- | but flame patch is fucking annoying |
| 12:46.19 | Kalroth | Just move? ;) |
| 12:46.25 | Fisker- | OH RLY |
| 12:46.31 | Health | He's a dane! |
| 12:46.36 | Health | He doesn't understand |
| 12:46.40 | Health | same goes for Kalroth |
| 12:46.44 | Fisker- | no you don't understand |
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| 12:46.57 | Health | k |
| 12:47.01 | Fisker- | When seen from some angles they won't appear on the ground |
| 12:47.02 | JoshBorke | time to go, thanks |
| 12:47.10 | Fisker- | and that's pretty much my default view all the time |
| 12:47.21 | Kalroth | Fisker-: So change your view :) |
| 12:47.23 | Fisker- | no |
| 12:47.31 | Fisker- | and not an acceptable solution regardless |
| 12:47.34 | Health | Then just suck. |
| 12:47.46 | Fisker- | it's not about me sucking, but blizzard sucking |
| 12:47.57 | Fisker- | so yeah i'll just let blizzard suck |
| 12:48.35 | Fisker- | And unfortunately since you can't see the effect when it lands i'll usually get 2-3 ticks if i'm aware of it |
| 12:48.42 | CIA-4 | 03ammo * r58123 10oRA2/Core.lua: oRA2: bump ctra version |
| 12:48.48 | Fisker- | not enough to kill me though |
| 12:48.57 | Fisker- | but if i'm healing something i'll probably die |
| 12:49.07 | Health | You should get a brain transplant |
| 12:49.16 | Fisker- | just like your mother |
| 12:49.27 | Health | Maybe she did! |
| 12:49.53 | Fisker- | you wouldn't know though since she put you up for adoption |
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| 12:58.52 | Kerafyrm | Saeris did not make it easy to use the new mods.. bloody hell |
| 12:59.54 | Xinhuan | my only beef with ClosetGnome is that the "Enter button" doesn't work on the staticpopup to add a set |
| 12:59.59 | Xinhuan | i have to click ACCEPT |
| 13:00.01 | Xinhuan | (lol) |
| 13:00.23 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: that must be a generic staticpopup issue, then? |
| 13:00.27 | vhaarr | I can probably make it work though |
| 13:00.42 | Xinhuan | the default UI has a lot of popups that work on enter |
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| 13:01.18 | Xinhuan | the staticpopup entry just needs a |
| 13:01.18 | Xinhuan | OnAccept = function() |
| 13:01.23 | vhaarr | it has one |
| 13:01.29 | Xinhuan | and a |
| 13:01.31 | Xinhuan | EditBoxOnEnterPressed = function() |
| 13:01.34 | vhaarr | right :P |
| 13:01.51 | vhaarr | those two can probably be the same function |
| 13:01.53 | Xinhuan | it should be the same function as the OnAccept, with an extra line |
| 13:01.58 | Xinhuan | that says |
| 13:01.59 | Xinhuan | this:GetParent():Hide(); |
| 13:02.01 | Xinhuan | i think? |
| 13:02.10 | vhaarr | hrm |
| 13:02.15 | Xinhuan | the default popups have this as well |
| 13:02.15 | Xinhuan | EditBoxOnEscapePressed = function() |
| 13:02.16 | Xinhuan | this:GetParent():Hide(); |
| 13:02.16 | Xinhuan | end, |
| 13:02.41 | vhaarr | let me add that in |
| 13:04.03 | Xinhuan | i just updated ace2 libraries via wau, flying to ZA now lol |
| 13:04.36 | CIA-4 | 03rabbit * r58124 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: Enter and Escape should work from the Add dialog to save and cancel, respectively. |
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| 13:04.42 | vhaarr | cool |
| 13:04.45 | vhaarr | try that as well :P |
| 13:05.03 | Xinhuan | when it propagates in 20 min ;p |
| 13:05.08 | vhaarr | lol |
| 13:05.10 | vhaarr | l2svn! |
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| 13:05.44 | Xinhuan | fuck no wonder my fps is 10 lower than usual, running taintLog 2 for hours |
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| 13:06.20 | Xinhuan | well at least i can commit to CG if that one is broken |
| 13:06.30 | CIA-4 | 03rabbit * r58125 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: Properly cancel the create set on Escape. |
| 13:06.32 | Fisker- | taintlog lowers fps? |
| 13:07.02 | Xinhuan | yes, it generates a 5-10 line taint entry on every taint in every onupdate and onevent |
| 13:07.13 | Xinhuan | so its like a few hundred mb taint.log now |
| 13:07.13 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: I don't know what 'this' refers to in EditBoxOnEnterPressed and EditBoxOnEscapePressed, so it might be broken |
| 13:07.19 | Fisker- | ah yeah |
| 13:07.25 | vhaarr | but I assume it refers to the edit box |
| 13:07.28 | Xinhuan | "this" refers to the editbox itself |
| 13:07.29 | Fisker- | but if there's not that much taint it won't lower performance drastically right? |
| 13:07.37 | Xinhuan | so getting its parent to hide it is the popup |
| 13:07.54 | Fisker- | i love wednesdays |
| 13:08.09 | nevcairiel | i wonder if the new UIParent code fixes all my taints |
| 13:08.14 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: I'm not sure if |local name = _G[this:GetName().."EditBox"]:GetText()| actually gets the text in the edit box on EditBoxOnEnterPressed or not |
| 13:08.23 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: can you provide a framexml diff? |
| 13:08.32 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 13:08.37 | Xinhuan | vhaarr, the diff on that file is about 300 lines |
| 13:08.38 | vhaarr | someone should make one |
| 13:08.43 | Xinhuan | go to wdn |
| 13:08.45 | Xinhuan | its there |
| 13:08.48 | vhaarr | oh, wdn is updated |
| 13:08.50 | nevcairiel | i bet kd3 has one somewhere |
| 13:09.09 | Xinhuan | they move all the functions so that they are all triggered via secure OnAttribute change on an annonymouse frame now |
| 13:09.13 | Fisker- | but i hate people that tries to undermine my market |
| 13:09.20 | Xinhuan | anonymous local frame that is |
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| 13:09.31 | nevcairiel | oh wdn got a new skin too |
| 13:09.43 | vhaarr | http://wdnaddons.com/2327741?diff=2307561 |
| 13:09.44 | vhaarr | cool |
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| 13:10.43 | Hjalte | Arrrgghh. Patch! |
| 13:11.50 | Xinhuan | because its a popup of the guildpane which is part of the social frame |
| 13:11.54 | vhaarr | yeah yeah I know |
| 13:11.59 | Kalroth | lol |
| 13:13.15 | Kalroth | The guildbank is your friend. |
| 13:13.45 | Xinhuan | i hate this za gong |
| 13:13.51 | Xinhuan | takes forveer to gong it |
| 13:14.11 | vhaarr | is it actually possible to gong it with 1 person? |
| 13:14.17 | vhaarr | or are you doing a run, maybe |
| 13:14.22 | Xinhuan | needs 5 ppl to actually hit it at the same instant |
| 13:14.25 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 13:14.27 | vhaarr | yeah thought so |
| 13:14.59 | Xinhuan | no errors in the new acecomm so far |
| 13:15.02 | nevcairiel | in the same instant? thats why it always takes ages |
| 13:15.34 | Xinhuan | yeah after 1 min, the npc gives up |
| 13:15.42 | Xinhuan | and yells some stupid shit and runs back lol |
| 13:15.47 | vhaarr | did these UIParent changes break Jostle? |
| 13:16.10 | nevcairiel | i havent been using jostle for quite some time now, so no idea |
| 13:16.10 | Xinhuan | jostle works i only have libjostle, not the older one though |
| 13:16.17 | vhaarr | okay |
| 13:16.59 | Xinhuan | not about to go find out why the 2 jostle versions don't like each other |
| 13:17.18 | Xinhuan | maybe for a challenge i could do it next week |
| 13:17.22 | vhaarr | I didn't know they had a problem with eachother |
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| 13:20.21 | Xinhuan | yeah they are jostling each other or something |
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| 13:28.34 | Fisker- | NOOOOOOO |
| 13:28.36 | Fisker- | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 13:28.40 | Fisker- | fucking shit |
| 13:28.50 | Kerafyrm | meh? |
| 13:29.00 | Fisker- | i got a void crystal :( |
| 13:30.00 | Kerafyrm | thats bad? |
| 13:30.03 | Fisker- | yes |
| 13:30.08 | Kerafyrm | whyfor? |
| 13:30.23 | Fisker- | because large prismatics are 6-7 times more worth |
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| 13:34.21 | Fisker- | as i'm actually producing these large prismatic shards for a profit about ~5g for each shard it's a pretty big loss when a void crystal goes for 5g and a large prismatic goes for 35-40g |
| 13:34.58 | Fisker- | so infact that single void crystal was enough to halve my profit |
| 13:39.20 | Fisker- | wqwtf |
| 13:39.21 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 13:39.25 | Fisker- | they buffed balinda and vanndar |
| 13:39.27 | Fisker- | tards :( |
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| 13:42.25 | FinalX | finally |
| 13:46.07 | Kalroth | Fisker-: they did? :) |
| 13:46.51 | CIA-4 | 03werehamster * r58126 10IFrameManager/ (Frames/Anchor.lua Frames/Overlay.lua IFrameManager.lua): IFrameManager: Show current anchors if the cursor enters the overlays. |
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| 13:49.22 | Fisker- | it's totally retarded |
| 13:49.45 | Zhinjio | Xinhuan, did you say you had a quick fix for Saeris' Lootlink and the gametooltip thinger? |
| 13:49.48 | Fisker- | by the time we had killed ballinda we had been attacked by 4 waves of alliance |
| 13:49.56 | Fisker- | they had killed galvangar |
| 13:50.05 | Fisker- | and they had every single tower and GY except relief hut |
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| 13:50.42 | Xinhuan | not really a quick fix |
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| 13:51.11 | Fisker- | it's a retarded fix |
| 13:51.23 | Fisker- | Alliance always had the upper hand |
| 13:51.43 | Fisker- | With the fixes in 2.3 we could atleast fight back and win more cosistently |
| 13:53.01 | Keias | I don't mind losing every game again |
| 13:53.04 | Keias | As long as my queues aren't 2 hours |
| 13:53.24 | Fisker- | it's not every other game |
| 13:53.31 | Matrix110 | no new auctioneer yet sob |
| 13:53.33 | Fisker- | if the alliance don't got a lot of afk'ers or tards they'll win |
| 13:53.35 | Fisker- | easily |
| 13:54.58 | Funkeh` | Fisker-, what changed |
| 13:56.12 | Fisker- | they increased hp |
| 13:56.13 | Fisker- | by a lot |
| 13:56.19 | Fisker- | on vanndar and balinda |
| 13:57.16 | harldephin | my ping is like never dropping below 250 now anymore with 2.3.2. wtf? |
| 13:58.02 | harldephin | is that because of the sever being crowded by people and crap or some bad-patch-thing |
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| 13:58.09 | Fisker- | man |
| 13:58.13 | Funkeh` | its patch day |
| 13:58.24 | Fisker- | basically we had everyone besides for like 5 standing at aid station and 5 standing in the cave |
| 13:58.26 | harldephin | it's like never been like that before |
| 13:58.39 | Fisker- | and it's like he had atleast 3 times the hp he used to have |
| 13:58.40 | Matrix110 | well they changed something in the netcode of WoW but that normally only decreases the ping |
| 13:58.44 | harldephin | not that constant |
| 13:58.54 | Fisker- | and alliance had like 10 afk'ers |
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| 13:59.05 | Matrix110 | Only if you got a really bad connection your ping increases |
| 13:59.07 | Fisker- | and they were ready for drek'thar as well |
| 13:59.45 | Fisker- | i think the only reason we even won is because we took back a tower just before it was lost (meaning 1 extra add for alliance) :( |
| 14:00.44 | Fisker- | retarded that they're even trying to bandaid a BG that is already favourable to the alliance |
| 14:00.52 | Fisker- | just fix the whole damn thing or leave it be |
| 14:01.04 | nevcairiel | in our realm pool horde wins |
| 14:01.33 | xyu | in mine horde wins AV, loses rest BGs |
| 14:01.42 | nevcairiel | the alliance base is way easier to besiege |
| 14:01.49 | xyu | alliance have "boycotted" AV, and queues are up to 30min - 1 hour. |
| 14:01.51 | nevcairiel | because of the gorge |
| 14:02.01 | Fisker- | we only win EOTS |
| 14:02.10 | Fisker- | but that's also just win regardless |
| 14:02.15 | Fisker- | have like a 90% winrate in that one |
| 14:02.35 | Fisker- | but AV's is a 40% and wsg is 42% and AB is 60% |
| 14:03.16 | xyu | Those numbers aren't bad. except eots. |
| 14:04.16 | Fisker- | a lot of those AV's are premades though |
| 14:04.29 | Fisker- | One day i pugged it |
| 14:04.36 | Fisker- | i had to do 13 AV's before horde got a win |
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| 14:05.29 | Fisker- | offsetting the HP is just a really bad idea |
| 14:05.41 | Fisker- | the real solution is a mirrormapå |
| 14:05.43 | Fisker- | mirrormap |
| 14:06.22 | mort | and a lvl70 only av |
| 14:06.24 | [Ammo] | hp offset is actually good |
| 14:06.34 | [Ammo] | since horde can reach belinda before alliance can reach galva |
| 14:06.38 | Fisker- | not in this case |
| 14:06.44 | xyu | i hate starting AB w/ 6 people |
| 14:06.48 | Fisker- | But |
| 14:06.52 | [Ammo] | even on my paladin with crusader aura horde always engage before I enter the room |
| 14:06.58 | Fisker- | Alliance will be between ballinda when going to galvangar |
| 14:06.59 | xyu | our ab doesn't fill up until 3 minutes into the game |
| 14:07.04 | xyu | by which time they have a 4 cap |
| 14:07.07 | Fisker- | horde will not be between galvangar when going to ballinda |
| 14:07.10 | [Ammo] | naah |
| 14:07.22 | [Ammo] | basically same fisker |
| 14:07.25 | Fisker- | no |
| 14:07.29 | Fisker- | not even remotely close to the same |
| 14:07.39 | [Ammo] | alliance pass on the left of belinda |
| 14:07.43 | [Ammo] | horde pass on the right of galvanaar |
| 14:07.51 | Fisker- | no they don't |
| 14:07.57 | nevcairiel | horde have an advantage that they start half in the map already |
| 14:07.58 | xyu | Fisker-: that is how our horde do it. 10-15 horde stay at galv for D. |
| 14:08.02 | nevcairiel | alliance has to start from way up |
| 14:08.05 | xyu | rest go O |
| 14:08.20 | xyu | alliance do have a "shortcut" through the mountains, not many take |
| 14:08.27 | xyu | although it only shaves like 10 seconds |
| 14:09.28 | xyu | as you come out of the cave yo ucan head a little left up the mountain and down to the logging camp |
| 14:09.52 | Codayus | AV geography is, in the current incarnation of AV, decidely unbalanced, and on some battlegroups its causign huge problems. |
| 14:10.05 | Fisker- | exactly |
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| 14:10.15 | Fisker- | and buffing hp in any way isn't helping |
| 14:10.30 | Fisker- | infact it's only making it harder for the faction that really have trouble |
| 14:10.39 | Codayus | Kinda surprised bliz hasn't fixed it yet. Although if we're discussing these things, isn't it odd they haven't added any new arenas? |
| 14:10.41 | Fisker- | The horde base is a fucking joke |
| 14:11.00 | Codayus | That seems like it'd be really easy, and is anyone *not* getting bored of them? |
| 14:11.05 | Fisker- | If someone is tagging the relief hut a group of 5 people could probably keep them occupied |
| 14:11.28 | nevcairiel | every horde cries, and every alliance cries, just stop playing o.O |
| 14:11.28 | Fisker- | but if someone is tagging stormpike aid station not even 40 man would be able to suppress a little 5 man group from interrupting |
| 14:11.42 | Codayus | *shrug* On the battlegroups with serious problems, the horde base doesn't matter...because nobody makes it there. :-) |
| 14:11.43 | Fisker- | the towers are stupid as hell |
| 14:11.48 | Fisker- | But the bunkers defend the flag |
| 14:12.07 | Codayus | My battlegroup is still okay, which is odd. Some battlegroups alliance has stopped playing. :-/ |
| 14:12.57 | Fisker- | Both towers can blast us if we try to storm the alliance base |
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| 14:13.08 | Fisker- | in most case any non-plate user WILL die before it even reaches the flag |
| 14:13.14 | Fisker- | in the horde base they can't even hit you |
| 14:15.33 | Codayus | *shrug* |
| 14:15.43 | Codayus | Again, very much a secondary problem, no? |
| 14:16.03 | Fisker- | i wouldn't say so |
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| 14:16.34 | Fisker- | heck blizzard even argued not so long ago that it was pretty even before this change |
| 14:16.41 | Codayus | It isn't now. |
| 14:16.49 | Codayus | Fisker-: Your horde, right? Whats your queue time? What would you estimate the horde win % is? |
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| 14:16.53 | Fisker- | no they tipped it in favour of the alliance time |
| 14:16.59 | Codayus | Uh...no.. |
| 14:17.05 | Fisker- | i wouldn't know, queues are around 1-2 minutes |
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| 14:17.34 | Fisker- | It's things like the improper base design that wins a game |
| 14:17.34 | Shirik | My queues are about 1-2 minutes also, win rate maybe 35% |
| 14:17.52 | Fisker- | we can't easily go in and take every tower and graveyard like the alliance can |
| 14:18.01 | Fisker- | and we can't do that because their design is superior to ours |
| 14:18.18 | [Ammo] | funny how others complain about the same from the other side |
| 14:18.20 | Fisker- | And if they know how to use that design nothing short of luck can save a game |
| 14:18.25 | Codayus | Stormstrike and Bloodlust battlegroups (usually considered the largest/most competitive) have ~95% horde wins, queue times are 1h and rising. AV has, effectively, stopped being played, from all reports. |
| 14:18.28 | Shirik | Well I've played both sides, tbh |
| 14:19.03 | Codayus | Rampage is about that bad now, and Shadowburn is apparently getting bad. 30m queue times and rising fast on horde side; again because of complete horde domination causing alliance to stop queing. |
| 14:19.11 | Shirik | I don't particularly think it's "game-breaking" but I will say that Alliance does have it a bit easier |
| 14:19.34 | Fisker- | that's because alliance are whiny bitches |
| 14:19.44 | Codayus | There's a very high variance among battlegroups, but AV seems to be "breaking" on an increasing number as horde figure out the right strats. |
| 14:19.55 | Fisker- | even after 2.3.0 alliance still won a lot more AV's |
| 14:20.08 | Fisker- | it's probably more like 50-60% instead of 80-90% as it was previously |
| 14:20.11 | Fisker- | they QQ and stop playing |
| 14:20.20 | Codayus | My battlegroup, alliance is still winning the majority. Apparently the same on yours. If you think that is evidence of anything, you don't understand the question. |
| 14:20.42 | Fisker- | I'm not using it as evidence |
| 14:20.51 | Fisker- | and it's not evidence either as i would never know for sure |
| 14:22.27 | RaydenUni | i haven't lost an AV in a long time |
| 14:23.44 | Keias | pre 2.3.0, my battlegroup was losing literally 90% of the games |
| 14:23.56 | Keias | after 2.3, we now win 90% of the games |
| 14:24.05 | Keias | Except now our queues are 2 hours, instead of instant |
| 14:24.09 | Codayus | Keias: What battlegroup? |
| 14:24.14 | Keias | BG9 |
| 14:24.25 | [Ammo] | Misery EU has instant AV queues for alliance |
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| 14:24.43 | steino | horde doesnt |
| 14:24.46 | steino | :<<<< |
| 14:24.55 | Codayus | BG9 = Bloodlust, I believe. |
| 14:25.07 | Fisker- | we are so hopelessly underpopulated on the hordeside on this server :D |
| 14:25.07 | RaydenUni | i'm on Rampage |
| 14:25.08 | [Ammo] | steino: most alliance stopped playing due to horde beating em I guess |
| 14:25.14 | steino | ye |
| 14:25.15 | steino | damn you |
| 14:25.17 | [Ammo] | steino: good for me though |
| 14:25.17 | Codayus | Up to 2 hours? Last I heard it was 90. Damn. |
| 14:25.19 | RaydenUni | well there is a boycott isn't there? |
| 14:25.20 | steino | :P |
| 14:25.24 | [Ammo] | steino: 10 second queues ftw |
| 14:25.25 | RaydenUni | 90 hours?! :O |
| 14:25.28 | steino | fuuu |
| 14:25.29 | Fisker- | Whereas horde's don't stop playing and win instead |
| 14:25.31 | steino | we have 3-4min :< |
| 14:25.32 | RaydenUni | last night the queue was 1 hour 20 minutes |
| 14:25.42 | RaydenUni | i've won at least 90% of my AV games |
| 14:25.44 | [Ammo] | all BGs are pretty much instant |
| 14:25.46 | [Ammo] | for me |
| 14:25.48 | RaydenUni | slightly over 50% on AB and EOTS |
| 14:25.48 | [Ammo] | which is win |
| 14:25.49 | Xinhuan | i am on bg9 bloodlust |
| 14:25.59 | RaydenUni | i avoid WSG if i can |
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| 14:26.08 | RaydenUni | even doing premade WSG isn't worth the honor |
| 14:26.25 | Fisker- | unfortunately i must conclude that apparently the majority of alliance BG players are similar to Donald |
| 14:26.26 | Fisker- | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/120.html |
| 14:26.38 | Keias | lol I love Dark Legacy Comics |
| 14:26.43 | Codayus | In my BG, AV is still pretty even...good place to farm honor. |
| 14:26.47 | Fisker- | "It's not working it's not working, i don't like it" |
| 14:26.50 | Codayus | Glad I'm not in bg9. >< |
| 14:27.06 | RaydenUni | DLC is great |
| 14:27.09 | Keias | Hell, when we lost every AV, it was great honor |
| 14:27.13 | Amadeo | The whole BG9 thing is overrated |
| 14:27.13 | Codayus | (Plus, Dark Legacy is on my server. Funny seeing the people in the comic wandering around IF...) |
| 14:27.24 | RaydenUni | i've played some games where alliance gets 0 bonus honor in AV, that sucks |
| 14:27.32 | Keias | Can't say that I'd play anywhere else Amadeo :) |
| 14:27.36 | Codayus | RaydenUni: Never seen one. *crossed fingers* |
| 14:27.48 | RaydenUni | doesn't bother me really as i'm horde, but i feel bad for alliance |
| 14:27.58 | Codayus | <-- Alliance. |
| 14:28.03 | RaydenUni | at least with a shutout in EOTS it's over in 3 minutes |
| 14:28.03 | Fisker- | is donald on your server Codayus? :P |
| 14:28.05 | RaydenUni | or AB |
| 14:28.10 | Fisker- | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/104.html <-btw |
| 14:28.26 | Amadeo | Keias: Yeah, just saying that the whole thing about people beliving BG9 is made up of amazing players that no other BG has is silly |
| 14:28.33 | Keias | No |
| 14:28.42 | Keias | We just have players from the other BGs transferring in :P |
| 14:28.45 | Amadeo | It reminds me a lot of EverQuest, when everyone on Test thought they were so amazing compared to people who played on Live servers |
| 14:28.54 | Amadeo | In reality, they were just as bad/good as the rest |
| 14:28.56 | Keias | It's not that BG9 started that way |
| 14:29.02 | Keias | It's just the way we got people thinking |
| 14:29.10 | Keias | And then they all started coming over in s2 |
| 14:29.33 | Amadeo | Yes, but it still doesn't mean that the people transferring are as good as they think they are compared to the rest of WoW :P |
| 14:29.34 | RaydenUni | sooo close to getting the season1 caster mace! |
| 14:29.40 | Keias | well of course not |
| 14:29.44 | RaydenUni | should push me over 1000 shadow dmg |
| 14:30.03 | Keias | But majority of the people who are -trying- to be competitive come here |
| 14:30.10 | RaydenUni | who decided that? |
| 14:30.13 | RaydenUni | just happened? |
| 14:30.20 | Amadeo | Yeah, I'd agree that a lot are doing so |
| 14:30.25 | RaydenUni | and what of all the newbs who don't care about competitive that are on those servers? |
| 14:30.38 | Amadeo | I have no idea how it started |
| 14:30.41 | Keias | Theres still tons of them RaydenUni |
| 14:30.53 | Amadeo | Most likely it started with PvP videos |
| 14:31.02 | Amadeo | People believe those are the end all of PvP skill |
| 14:31.17 | Keias | But I do laugh when people transfer off cause they complain it's "too hard" to get past 1500 |
| 14:31.19 | RaydenUni | i've seen a lot more "premades" for AB and EOTS lately |
| 14:31.31 | Codayus | Keias: That's sad. |
| 14:31.36 | RaydenUni | i think horde are tired of not playing AV and getting lots of honor and the only way to make up for it is with premades |
| 14:31.53 | Amadeo | Personally, I'd rather be in a Battlegroup that sucks so I don't have to do as much :P |
| 14:32.00 | RaydenUni | dude, my friend and i jumped in to arena and got OWNED 3 games in a row |
| 14:32.00 | Codayus | Well, to be fair, who'd want to play AB or EOTS non-premade? |
| 14:32.01 | RaydenUni | that sucked |
| 14:32.05 | Keias | I like killing people with huge epeens |
| 14:32.09 | Keias | Thats why I love BG9 |
| 14:32.13 | Amadeo | RaydenUni: Do you have good gear? |
| 14:32.14 | RaydenUni | Amadeo i'd prefer high quality playing |
| 14:32.19 | RaydenUni | Amadeo ~t5 pve |
| 14:32.21 | RaydenUni | shadow priest |
| 14:32.23 | RaydenUni | so not pvp |
| 14:32.26 | Amadeo | Yeah |
| 14:32.30 | Amadeo | You need PvP gear to PvP! |
| 14:32.38 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2342374362&sid=1 <-nice guild name for someones mom |
| 14:32.41 | Codayus | Shadow priests in the arena are funny. |
| 14:32.45 | RaydenUni | cya guys |
| 14:33.07 | Codayus | Actually, was playing some 2v2 games with another shadow priest in my guild who just needed 200 points for her weapon... |
| 14:33.16 | Polarina | Amadeo: And you have to PvP to get PvP gear! Circular depedencies! :'( |
| 14:33.28 | Codayus | A 2v2 team with 2 pve spec shadow priests in full pve raid gear is sad. |
| 14:33.40 | Codayus | Very sad. But also funny, in a very sad way. :-) |
| 14:33.51 | Amadeo | Polarina: Yeah, and apparently there is a cloak or something that people have to PvE to get for PvP :P |
| 14:34.10 | Amadeo | I don't like the whole Resilience thing |
| 14:34.47 | Amadeo | They should have just reduced damage in PvP to begin with, so everyone was even |
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| 14:36.41 | Codayus | Amadeo: Don't think that would have worked. |
| 14:37.25 | Matrix110 | ~purl |
| 14:37.26 | purl | See ~purl |
| 14:37.26 | Keias | I think it's just an easy way for them to seperate PVP gear and PVE gear |
| 14:37.40 | Matrix110 | confusing |
| 14:37.44 | Matrix110 | ~blootbot |
| 14:37.44 | purl | methinks blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ , I am a blootbot |
| 14:38.01 | SunTsu | Matrix110: To understand recursion you first have to understand recursion |
| 14:39.01 | Matrix110 | ~metaquestion |
| 14:39.02 | Amadeo | Codayus: I just don't like gear being the deciding factor between who succeeds and who doesn't |
| 14:39.16 | Codayus | Amadeo: Uh...welcome to WoW? :-/ |
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| 14:39.32 | Amadeo | Which is why I don't like the resilience thing |
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| 14:39.44 | Codayus | I don't disagree, but the idea that gear matters is very fundamental to the game. (And, to be fair - skill matters a lot. Trust me.) |
| 14:39.56 | Matrix110 | WoW is a noob casual game deal with it if you want a real mmorpg dont play WoW :P |
| 14:40.18 | Keias | WoW is as casual as you make it |
| 14:40.24 | Amadeo | There's not much skill in WoW, classes are easy to play, the only time the term skill could be used is for how well a team plays together |
| 14:40.28 | Keias | But if you want fair grounds, there's always FPS |
| 14:40.49 | Matrix110 | People are seriously COMPLAINING about 50g respec WTF???? in other games you cant respec atall and gotta create a new char that takes about ~100times the time it takes to get a char to 70 to max level :P |
| 14:41.14 | Amadeo | Matrix110: I liked it better that way, then there was diversity :) |
| 14:41.30 | Codayus | Amadeo: The different between a 1800 team and a 2000 team is skill, not gear. With no resil, you won't get to 1800, but... Once you get past the barrier to entry, it's mostly skill, not gear. |
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| 14:41.53 | Keias | Codayus, Class make-up plays a big part of that too |
| 14:41.54 | Matrix110 | and setup |
| 14:41.54 | Codayus | That being said, it seems like a Guild Wars style system for arenas might make more sense, no? |
| 14:41.59 | Codayus | true. |
| 14:42.05 | Health | K |
| 14:42.15 | Amadeo | and RNG :P |
| 14:42.23 | Codayus | Hency why 80% of top ranked 5v5 teams are warrior/priest/paladin + 2 more. |
| 14:42.27 | Amadeo | skill is extremely minimal in WoW |
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| 14:42.38 | Amadeo | there comes a point where you can't DO anymore, because your class can only do so much |
| 14:43.35 | Matrix110 | hmm |
| 14:43.38 | Codayus | Depends what scale you mean. It's not hard to find cases where people sill suceed or fail at some task based purely on their skill. |
| 14:43.45 | Matrix110 | shouldnt i get a /timetest result when i use a flightmaster? |
| 14:44.03 | sb_ | Matrix110: works for me |
| 14:44.22 | sb_ | after the flight... |
| 14:44.25 | Matrix110 | oh |
| 14:44.56 | Matrix110 | lets compare a bit :D |
| 14:45.04 | sb_ | err so you type timetest, take some flight and you will get your results later |
| 14:45.15 | sb_ | mh no, playing window + maximized ;) |
| 14:45.20 | Xinhuan | you can't change the camera angle in the flight |
| 14:45.26 | sb_ | yup |
| 14:45.26 | Xinhuan | except to look behind you (if you have that keybinded) |
| 14:45.27 | Amadeo | Codayus: I'm just saying that the bar for skill in WoW is pretty low, because it's an extremely accessable game...sure there are bad players, but there's not much you have to do to be "skilled" |
| 14:45.35 | Xinhuan | however you can still interact with the UI |
| 14:45.43 | Xinhuan | which can reduce your fps depending on what you do |
| 14:45.46 | Matrix110 | will try with addons/no addons Windowed/full screen |
| 14:46.07 | Matrix110 | good that there is a 30sec flightpath in SMW |
| 14:46.19 | Codayus | Amadeo: Yes. But skill will sort people. You don't need much (any?) skill to "play WoW". |
| 14:46.46 | Amadeo | Once you get to the top teams, they all basically play perfectly the whole time |
| 14:46.59 | Amadeo | then it's just RNG and class make-up |
| 14:47.11 | Xinhuan | and teamwork |
| 14:47.29 | Xinhuan | you can be the best healer in the world, but without teamwork, you won't get anywhere |
| 14:47.41 | Health | So deep |
| 14:47.46 | Amadeo | but the top teams are already the top of their skill, so that's not as important, they already work together perfectly :) |
| 14:47.51 | Codayus | Amadeo: Sure. Which proves my point, I think, since the "top teams" are quite a tiny percentage of the WoW population. |
| 14:48.46 | Amadeo | Codayus: Yeah, that comes back to what I was getting at also...the skill involved would be for team synergy, and it's probably difficult to find a group of players who work well together :) |
| 14:48.52 | Codayus | Or to look at it another way, I've quite bad at pvp. Obviously there is a skill component. |
| 14:49.15 | Codayus | Because otherwise, I wouldn't lose so many games against people with such bad gear. :-) |
| 14:49.22 | Amadeo | Do you have the right gear? |
| 14:49.35 | Xinhuan | the skill component consists of knowing how to react to situations, knowing what to do, predicting enemy, kiting enemy, playing LoS, etc |
| 14:49.47 | Codayus | Not really, but it's comperable or better to the gear others have at my rating. |
| 14:50.07 | Codayus | Xinhuan: Yes. |
| 14:50.08 | SunTsu | It's about decicions and timing. And I have to admit I really suck at it ;) |
| 14:50.19 | Amadeo | but are you losing against players of your rating, or are you losing against those 2000+ matches you get all the time? :P |
| 14:50.31 | Codayus | Amadeo: My rating, mostly. |
| 14:52.38 | Codayus | Again though - at even moderate ratings, people quickly acquire the gear they want. After that, rankings are fairly stable, which indicates that it's not just the RNG. |
| 14:52.53 | Kalroth | PvP isn't about skill, reroll a druid and grab a random warrior/rogue/warlock for 2200+ rating |
| 14:53.25 | Codayus | And while certain classes dominate the high end of the brackets, there are people with suboptimal class mixes who still have very high scores, so it's not just class mix. |
| 14:53.41 | Health | Sure Kalroth |
| 14:53.54 | diospadre | I WANT A DRUID |
| 14:54.19 | Keias | No you don't |
| 14:54.32 | Keias | Playing a Druid is the only time I've wanted to quit WoW |
| 14:54.38 | SunTsu | Kalroth: I _am_ a druid and I _am_ teamed with a warlock - and we don't even have a 1500 rating ;) |
| 14:54.39 | Health | Why? |
| 14:54.41 | Codayus | Kalroth: And yet down where I am, I see druid/warlock teams. :-) Class is important - my 2 shadow priest team is no doubt doomed - but if that was all there was, things would look different. |
| 14:54.42 | Kalroth | dios, I'm sure there's plenty of kitties in EJ! |
| 14:54.45 | Amadeo | I've been leveling up a Druid, and it's awesome :P |
| 14:54.57 | diospadre | yeah theres on druid that plays resto pvp in ej |
| 14:55.07 | diospadre | one |
| 14:55.18 | diospadre | so no 2s or 3s team for me |
| 14:55.24 | Health | k |
| 14:55.39 | Amadeo | I wish Arenas and Battlegrounds would just go away, then Blizzard could focus on great World PvP, that would be so much more fun |
| 14:55.49 | Keias | World PVP is terrible |
| 14:55.55 | Keias | It's -always- uneven fights |
| 14:55.56 | diospadre | yes its retarded |
| 14:56.03 | Keias | Or people fully geared against people in greens and blues |
| 14:56.03 | Codayus | Bliz tried world pvp, and failed. |
| 14:56.09 | Amadeo | That's because they did it wrong |
| 14:56.10 | Codayus | Some other dev - or some other game - may do it right. |
| 14:56.18 | Codayus | But it's not ever going to happen in WoW. |
| 14:56.29 | Amadeo | but even if it's uneven, it's more fun..there's an element of surprise to it |
| 14:56.39 | Amadeo | In WoW, everything is handed to you |
| 14:56.41 | Codayus | Also, I find arenas a lot more fun than world pvp. |
| 14:56.43 | Codayus | :-) |
| 14:57.12 | Amadeo | Show me another PvP game where you can see class, level, buffs, etc on an opposing class :P |
| 14:57.32 | Amadeo | Put steath classes in a tiny arena, you already know they're there |
| 14:57.36 | Amadeo | stealth, too |
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| 14:58.07 | Amadeo | DAoC was fun, you could put a robe on a melee class and if people didn't know your name, they might believe you were a caster |
| 14:58.14 | Amadeo | That's impossible in WoW, which is too bad :/ |
| 14:58.24 | Codayus | *shrug* |
| 14:58.34 | Codayus | Different, yes. Better? Meh. |
| 14:58.52 | Amadeo | That's why a lot in WoW is accessable, it's all given to you up front |
| 14:59.13 | Codayus | Amadeo: True. Some would consider this a feature, rather than a bug. :-) |
| 14:59.19 | kenlyric | blizzard hears your concerns as they swim in a pool filled with cash from casuals. |
| 14:59.25 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 14:59.27 | Amadeo | haha |
| 14:59.45 | Amadeo | Hey, I'm all for more accessable things, but some I want left alone :) |
| 14:59.46 | Keias | DAoC had way too much reliance on CC |
| 14:59.49 | Keias | fucking mezzers |
| 14:59.51 | Ozguli` | silkroad online had this same kind of thing |
| 14:59.56 | Codayus | Amadeo: What you need to realize is that there are large numbrs of people who think you ideal game sucks. (This goes for everyone, of course.) |
| 14:59.57 | Ozguli` | people could wear anything they like |
| 15:00.05 | Amadeo | Keias: Yeah, it wasn't perfect at all, but there were things I really liked about it |
| 15:00.24 | Ozguli` | I used to run around in thief suit that hid all gear but weapon&shield, then equip low lvl crap and run around unbuffed |
| 15:00.24 | Matrix110 | rofl |
| 15:00.25 | Keias | Yeah it did a lot of good things |
| 15:00.25 | Matrix110 | W Addons Windowed: Average FPS 54.498 |
| 15:00.25 | Matrix110 | W Addons Full Screen: Average FPS 73.972 |
| 15:00.25 | Matrix110 | No Addons Windowed: Average FPS 63.839 |
| 15:00.25 | Matrix110 | No Addons Full Screen: Average FPS 85.089 |
| 15:00.43 | Amadeo | Codayus: Yeah, of course...like most PvE players don't care about Warhammer at all, but I'm excited to see if it turns out any good since I enjoy PvP |
| 15:00.44 | kenlyric | I think the usage statistics of DAoC vs WoW bears that out. |
| 15:01.14 | Matrix110 | Amadeo most beta testers said its total bullshit atm :P |
| 15:01.15 | Amadeo | kenlyric: DAoC is pretty old, and it's not worldwide like WoW is |
| 15:01.18 | Codayus | Amadeo: From all reports...it's going to suck at pvp. |
| 15:01.21 | Matrix110 | even the PVPers |
| 15:01.29 | diospadre | from what ive been hearing warhammer is horrible |
| 15:01.37 | kenlyric | Amadeo: but there's a reason that WoW is so popular, and it's not simply because it's popular. |
| 15:01.41 | Amadeo | To be honest, all the bad press about Warhammer I've heard is from WoW players |
| 15:01.52 | diospadre | thats all there is though |
| 15:01.59 | kenlyric | Amadeo: there are non-wow players who look forward to warhammer? |
| 15:02.10 | Amadeo | Well I'd bet you the majority of them haven't even played it :P |
| 15:02.23 | kenlyric | 99% |
| 15:02.24 | Codayus | Now, what *I* want is a sci fi mmo. I *need* a game with assault rifles, combat droids, lasers... |
| 15:02.32 | kenlyric | Codayus: ummmmm |
| 15:02.34 | Amadeo | Codayus: Stargate Worlds is coming out, but it looks goofy |
| 15:02.34 | Codayus | ...basically, I want AO, without all the suck. |
| 15:02.36 | kenlyric | you got one, it just sucked |
| 15:02.47 | Codayus | Unfortuantly, AO had a LOT of suck. |
| 15:02.50 | kenlyric | TABULA RASA |
| 15:03.09 | Health | Is polished |
| 15:03.16 | Matrix110 | Ragnarok Online!!! |
| 15:03.24 | Amadeo | kenlyric: WoW is popular because of its history and the company that's behind it |
| 15:03.26 | Codayus | Oddly enough, I didn't know Tabula Rasa was sci-fi ish. All I heard was it sucked a lot... |
| 15:03.29 | Matrix110 | although it needs a bit polishing:P |
| 15:03.50 | Amadeo | I think there's like 1.5 million North American players, which is a lot...but nowhere close to the 9+ million worldwide |
| 15:03.51 | kenlyric | Amadeo: if that were true, it would have had six million users at launch. |
| 15:03.58 | Codayus | Amadeo: Uhh...I'm going to have to say no. |
| 15:04.03 | Keias | Warhammer is one of those things that is amazing on paper |
| 15:04.04 | kenlyric | WoW is popular because it has a low barrier to entry. |
| 15:04.12 | Keias | But the gameplay is soooooo boring :( |
| 15:04.21 | Amadeo | 9 million comes from all the countries that other MMOs were never in |
| 15:04.37 | Matrix110 | bullshit Oo |
| 15:04.48 | Keias | Matrix110, I played Ragnarok online for way longer than i'd like to admit |
| 15:04.55 | Amadeo | Then look up the history of other MMOs and look where they rolled out |
| 15:04.57 | kenlyric | 4 million is from the US and EU |
| 15:05.01 | Matrix110 | Keias same:P |
| 15:05.28 | Codayus | Low barriers to entry help a ton. |
| 15:05.35 | Codayus | But you have to have something to keep people playing too. |
| 15:05.47 | Amadeo | You also have the fact that kids grow up with technology a lot more now than they did in the past |
| 15:05.58 | Codayus | WoW has that many subscribers because they all find a reason to keep chipping in there $15/month or whatever. |
| 15:05.58 | kenlyric | and low barriers to advancement. Most previous MMOs if you were fail or didn't want to raid, the game was over for you. |
| 15:06.06 | Codayus | Heh |
| 15:06.34 | kenlyric | you can continue to fail *in perpetuity" in WoW. It's a unique and profitable concept. |
| 15:06.46 | Codayus | I spent a long time in AO leveling up. Couple months, playing quite a bit as I recall. I didn't hit the level cap, never saw the raid game, never even saw a raid or raid boss. |
| 15:07.05 | Matrix110 | Its a)Blizzard b) casual MMORPG c)good marketing d)you can pay without CC which most other MMORPGs didnt have for a really long time d) WoW has really loads of things that other MMORPG miss e) Addons<3 |
| 15:07.46 | Codayus | Really good quests, rich world, fun from lvl 1, low learning curve, very good UI out of the box. |
| 15:07.46 | Amadeo | When couldn't you pay with a CC? |
| 15:07.51 | kenlyric | WoW is the Harrison Bergeron of MMOs. level the playing field enough to make the maximum number of people happy. |
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| 15:08.00 | Amadeo | I was paying for EverQuest with a credit card in 1999 |
| 15:08.03 | Pkekyo| | g'morning all! |
| 15:08.03 | Pkekyo| | addons updated yet? |
| 15:08.15 | Amadeo | oh without |
| 15:08.16 | Amadeo | my bad |
| 15:08.16 | Amadeo | haha |
| 15:08.18 | Health | you are an updated addon |
| 15:08.25 | kenlyric | your face is updated. |
| 15:08.39 | Pkekyo| | no I'm not, and yes it is! shaved this morning O.o zomg |
| 15:08.42 | Amadeo | Think of this though |
| 15:09.02 | Amadeo | If WoW came out in 1999, you could probably eliminate 75% of its current population |
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| 15:09.43 | Amadeo | In 10 more years, another MMO will have even more players |
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| 15:10.12 | kenlyric | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.17 | kenlyric | and soak up that deliciously large market |
| 15:10.20 | Amadeo | I didn't have a cell phone when I was a kid, there weren't any :P |
| 15:10.30 | Amadeo | It's all about technology |
| 15:10.46 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: peopleplay madden? O.o |
| 15:10.55 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: a disturbing amount. |
| 15:11.07 | Codayus | Pkekyo|: You didn't know? oO |
| 15:11.13 | exor674 | eww, if they ever make a football/fantasy MMO I will kill someone |
| 15:11.16 | Codayus | It's very *very* popular. |
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| 15:11.25 | Amadeo | haha |
| 15:11.30 | Codayus | I want a Blood Bowl MMO. |
| 15:11.32 | Amadeo | Warrior, go out for a pass! |
| 15:11.33 | Codayus | That'd be SWEET. |
| 15:11.36 | Pkekyo| | Codayus: never heard about any playing it |
| 15:11.49 | Pkekyo| | s/any/anyone/ |
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| 15:12.31 | kenlyric | for fun, try to translate WoW classes into <insert favorite sport here> positions. |
| 15:12.57 | Amadeo | ok |
| 15:13.03 | Amadeo | Druids play all sports all positions? |
| 15:13.18 | kenlyric | ~fail |
| 15:13.19 | purl | ACTION gives kenlyric the worst grade imaginable, an A minus... minus! |
| 15:13.20 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 15:13.22 | Codayus | "EA has announced that they believe the newest Madden game, Madden NFL .07, has sold over 2 million copies across all platforms in just it.s first week of release! " |
| 15:13.22 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 15:13.38 | Codayus | "This year.s first-week sales are up 12 percent over Madden NFL 06.s 1.8 million units sold over the same period last year, says EA" |
| 15:13.40 | Pkekyo| | did mages' specc get reset with the patch? |
| 15:13.47 | Codayus | Scary. |
| 15:13.58 | exor674 | nope |
| 15:13.59 | nevcairiel | Pkekyo|: not that i know of |
| 15:14.03 | Pkekyo| | ~fail madden players |
| 15:14.04 | purl | madden players: Fail. |
| 15:14.09 | Amadeo | Codayus: Goes to show you, they could just keep updating WoW's graphics every year, and they'd get more players with the same game :P |
| 15:14.28 | Codayus | Amadeo: Graphic updates aren't needed. |
| 15:14.38 | Codayus | And WoW *does* get more players with the same game. :-) |
| 15:14.42 | kenlyric | http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/the-top-10-best-selling-game-franchises/532199 |
| 15:14.44 | Xinhuan | vhaarr, still around? |
| 15:14.49 | Amadeo | Codayus: I'm saying that's all Madden is |
| 15:15.00 | Amadeo | it's the same game every year |
| 15:15.33 | kenlyric | madden required 20 different versions to get 60 million. |
| 15:15.52 | Xinhuan | nvm |
| 15:16.41 | Amadeo | kenlyric: I wish The Sims weren't on that list :( |
| 15:16.59 | kenlyric | eh, so the girls have one. |
| 15:17.14 | Amadeo | what about Pokemon? |
| 15:17.45 | Pkekyo| | WAU should have a 'mark all out of date addons' option |
| 15:17.56 | kenlyric | why? |
| 15:18.16 | kenlyric | and, it sorta does, it just only works at specific times. |
| 15:18.31 | kenlyric | (after a toc change, or a wau update. |
| 15:19.14 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: I mean like 'mark all addons' and 'unmark all addons', not just the highlight of out of date addons |
| 15:19.22 | Xinhuan | vhaarr, i commited the EditBoxOnEnterPressed = function() fix, should be ok |
| 15:19.26 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: but why? |
| 15:19.34 | kenlyric | just update all addons. |
| 15:19.46 | kenlyric | it only updates the out of date ones |
| 15:20.17 | Pkekyo| | kenlyricPkekyo|: but why? <---- blatantly obvious: to select all out of date addons |
| 15:20.29 | Amadeo | It does that automatically |
| 15:20.34 | kenlyric | yes, but why would you want to do that? |
| 15:20.47 | kenlyric | wait. |
| 15:20.58 | kenlyric | you mean out of date on the svn, not your computer |
| 15:21.17 | kebinusan | Has bt3 been updated to do the pet bar to main bar swap on possession type effects? |
| 15:21.22 | kenlyric | I still can't imagine a use for that. |
| 15:21.45 | Amadeo | Only if you could define your own date |
| 15:21.49 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: I mean it should be able to click [edit] --> [select out of date addons] and update them |
| 15:21.59 | kenlyric | that's silly |
| 15:22.09 | kenlyric | Update All Installed Addons does the same thing. |
| 15:22.12 | Pkekyo| | no it's not kenlyric |
| 15:22.25 | Pkekyo| | except it marks all the ones that aren't bloody outdated |
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| 15:22.36 | Amadeo | and updates them to future versions that don't exist yet? |
| 15:22.48 | kenlyric | so you only want to update addons that have a TOC update? |
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| 15:23.32 | Pkekyo| | I want to update the bloody highligted ones, that's all I ever do :p |
| 15:24.03 | kenlyric | what do you do now? |
| 15:24.19 | Pkekyo| | click every highlighted checkbox >.< |
| 15:24.46 | kenlyric | please explain how this is different from update all installed addons. |
| 15:25.02 | kenlyric | because I don't understand. |
| 15:25.16 | Amadeo | I don't get it either, unless you're trying to skip some updates and not others |
| 15:25.31 | kenlyric | if he's checking every addon that's checked, then he's not skipping any. |
| 15:25.35 | kenlyric | errr that's highlighted |
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| 15:26.31 | RaydenUni | you can: check outdated ones and then update them, or you can check all of them which will update the outdated ones... |
| 15:26.40 | RaydenUni | both result in the same thing |
| 15:27.10 | kenlyric | or, Update All Installed Addons, which also does the same thing in one stop :) |
| 15:27.12 | RaydenUni | explain why you would want to only check outdated ones instead of doing an "update all" ? |
| 15:27.38 | kenlyric | I could see a use for it if there was an addon you didn't want to update. |
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| 15:27.52 | Pkekyo| | because it isn't blatantly obvious that "mark all" is the exact same thing as "mark out of date"? |
| 15:27.53 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: also, there's several addons I don't want to update |
| 15:27.56 | kenlyric | but even then, you could just select them all and then unselect the one you don't want update. |
| 15:28.06 | RaydenUni | well you can't update mods that are up to date already... |
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| 15:28.39 | RaydenUni | <Pkekyo|> kenlyric: also, there's several addons I don't want to update <-- having a "check all outdated" doesn't help you at all there |
| 15:29.09 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: meknows....popped .svn folders in them all |
| 15:29.26 | kenlyric | .... |
| 15:29.32 | kenlyric | so, F10 still does everything you want. |
| 15:29.49 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: the idea was to not have WAU try to update/redownload up to date addons.....as if I know how the thing works! |
| 15:29.58 | RaydenUni | to save time? |
| 15:30.05 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: well, now you know. |
| 15:30.08 | RaydenUni | so it doesn't waste time checking an up to date addon? |
| 15:30.16 | RaydenUni | it already knows because it highlighted them |
| 15:30.26 | kenlyric | to make it waste time you have to reinstall all addons :) |
| 15:30.33 | RaydenUni | i used to do that :D |
| 15:30.49 | kenlyric | i only do it on patch day |
| 15:30.59 | kenlyric | to help the cause of bandwidth overload |
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| 15:33.23 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: hit F7 to see which addons updated, and the update notes for them. |
| 15:33.25 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUniso it doesn't waste time checking an up to date addon? <--- no, so it doesn't redownload up to date content all over again |
| 15:34.19 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: the first one causes the second one. |
| 15:34.20 | RaydenUni | but it doesn't |
| 15:34.26 | RaydenUni | it "updates" not reinstalls |
| 15:34.59 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: which again, isn't as obvious to end users as some of you lot |
| 15:35.18 | RaydenUni | probably true |
| 15:36.04 | kenlyric | only badly coded programs update current applications. |
| 15:36.22 | kenlyric | Windows Update doesn't download every single Windows patch every time you visit it. |
| 15:36.35 | Kalroth | Are you sure? |
| 15:36.39 | Kalroth | It sure is busy. |
| 15:36.57 | kenlyric | Kalroth: it's sending your porn habits to the NSA |
| 15:37.00 | RaydenUni | where did my OneNote disc go? :( |
| 15:37.04 | kenlyric | different kinds of traffic. |
| 15:38.15 | Fisker- | the windows update it somewhat stupid as well though |
| 15:38.17 | Matrix110 | kenlyric depends how big the program is tbh writing a "complex" update mechanism for a 100kb prog isnt really worth it:P |
| 15:38.37 | kenlyric | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.54 | kenlyric | Matrix110: it doesn't have to be complex to work. |
| 15:39.15 | Matrix110 | thats why i said "complex" :P |
| 15:39.23 | kenlyric | my point in the example is that "update" means something specific, and it's not really up to us to educate the user as to what it means. |
| 15:39.25 | RaydenUni | it's not always worth it to write it the "best" way |
| 15:39.59 | kenlyric | some bad programs "update" by re-installing everyting, of course. But that's why they're bad. |
| 15:40.20 | wereHamster | cia mia? |
| 15:40.53 | Gagorian | What's the difference between Babble-Spell-2.0 and 3.0? |
| 15:41.05 | a^i`SmaN | 1.0 |
| 15:41.08 | Gagorian | Well mostly I mean, which is kept up to date |
| 15:41.11 | nevcairiel | 3.0 doesnt require Ace2 |
| 15:41.29 | nevcairiel | thats not quite clear, i think the translators only update 2.2 |
| 15:41.41 | Pkekyo| | also, is there any reason to update WAU itself, or is it just another fancypants version number? |
| 15:41.51 | Matrix110 | who cares about Babble enUS/enGB ftw screw others:P |
| 15:41.54 | kenlyric | I just got an incident from 1998 |
| 15:41.58 | kenlyric | TIME TRAVEL |
| 15:42.12 | Gagorian | Matrix110: If it only were that easy |
| 15:42.13 | Gagorian | ! |
| 15:42.21 | Matrix110 | It is pretty easy |
| 15:42.29 | kebinusan | I think I just managed to lock up wow trying to return battle master tokens in postal |
| 15:42.47 | Gagorian | When the koreans start spamming your mailbox to add their localization shit.. It eventually gets old :D |
| 15:42.59 | CIA-4 | 03hedin * r58134 10MeleeBuffs/ (MeleeBuffs.toc core.lua): MeleeBuffs: Shield update. |
| 15:43.11 | Matrix110 | i wouldnt care about it |
| 15:43.21 | Gagorian | If slapping it through babble makes them shut up it's all worth it |
| 15:43.48 | Matrix110 | not when i have to load Babble when it just returns = true for me :P |
| 15:44.08 | xyu | if your addon is so hot that koreans find a way to log on to us/eu servers to send you mail for an addon update, i wouldn't mind :P |
| 15:44.19 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:45.59 | sag_ich_nicht | xyu you retard, he's talking about email |
| 15:47.27 | sag_ich_nicht | brb reboot |
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| 15:48.05 | CIA-4 | 03kunda * r58135 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: .Babble-Tradeskill-2.2: deDE Blacksmithing fix |
| 15:52.05 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: cool thanks |
| 15:53.02 | Stan_ | Gagorian: 3.0 is missing some parts...but it's "better" than 2.0 because it does not require ace2 |
| 15:53.03 | Stan_ | moo |
| 15:53.44 | Fisker- | crap |
| 15:54.08 | Stan_ | someone needs to finish 3.0 |
| 15:54.15 | Stan_ | I nominate nevcairiel *hides* |
| 15:54.24 | wereHamster | Stan_, but it requires ace 3.0, ? |
| 15:54.35 | Stan_ | no |
| 15:54.37 | nevcairiel | Babble-3.0 does not require anything |
| 15:54.46 | nevcairiel | well, LibStub |
| 15:54.50 | Stan_ | that's the cool thing about it |
| 15:54.52 | nevcairiel | but i think thats inlined |
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| 15:55.38 | vhaarr | it is |
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| 15:58.18 | nevcairiel | someone should write some sort of universal babble file, that contains all translations, ant both 2.2 and 3.0 grep the translations |
| 15:59.59 | kagaro | after gathermate nev |
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| 16:02.46 | Stan_ | I think Babble-3.0 has something like babble-core |
| 16:02.50 | Stan_ | maybe that helps.. |
| 16:02.50 | Pkekyo| | meh, after the patch wow started crashing randomly >.< |
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| 16:03.35 | Amadeo | Matrix110: Your earlier fps comment is how mine is too, but when I lose 10 fps with a lot of addons, it drops me to about 20 :P |
| 16:03.41 | Amadeo | so I don't use much anymore |
| 16:04.05 | Matrix110 | I blame WoW for it |
| 16:04.23 | Matrix110 | got 2 7/8 cores doing nothing when only wow is running :P |
| 16:04.41 | Amadeo | I'd like to borrow them for my PC |
| 16:04.45 | kergoth | i think last time i looked i lost like 30fps when loading addons vs none... course 10 of that was questhelper, and like 4-5 was gatherer (due to the loaded wowhead db) |
| 16:04.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:05.00 | Amadeo | wow, that's a lot |
| 16:05.17 | Amadeo | That'd put me at about 0 fps :P |
| 16:05.18 | Matrix110 | but in combat my fps drop is alot heavier is my guess |
| 16:05.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:05.33 | Matrix110 | . /timetest only is a simple flightpath |
| 16:05.35 | kebinusan | my addons are using 50some mb |
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| 16:05.55 | Amadeo | What makes it drop your framerate so much? Is it memory use, or UI elements on screen? |
| 16:05.59 | Amadeo | or CPU.. |
| 16:06.15 | kergoth | i love hte flight between those 2 towns in BEM on horde, like a minute or less between them, did a lot of /timetest'ing between those |
| 16:06.50 | Matrix110 | uhm memory i highly doubt it as i got 2GB free memory when wow is running |
| 16:06.58 | Amadeo | yeah, I can't say memory either |
| 16:07.24 | Matrix110 | its the CPU usage i guess |
| 16:07.39 | Amadeo | but when you hit alt-z, your fps goes up some |
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| 16:08.26 | Matrix110 | yeah because creating UI elements take CPU! |
| 16:08.31 | Matrix110 | *power |
| 16:09.44 | CIA-4 | 03hedin * r58137 10MeleeFrame/core.lua: MeleeFrame: Refresh update. |
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| 16:11.38 | Amadeo | do they hit your video in any way? |
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| 16:15.23 | kergoth | you know, it bugs me that quartz is set to autoload on cast when you're in a rested area, if you're using addonloader. the lag is so great from loading it that half the time my firs tspellcast is over and done with by the time i see a bar |
| 16:15.32 | kergoth | wonder if hte new addonloader has overrides yet |
| 16:16.36 | durcyn | yes it does |
| 16:16.56 | kergoth | ah, good |
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| 16:22.29 | kebinusan | wow |
| 16:22.31 | kebinusan | The Chief Executive of fast food chain McDonald's United Kingdom operations has spoken out and claimed that video games are to blame for childhood obesity. |
| 16:22.55 | deltron | hahaha |
| 16:22.58 | deltron | where's that from? |
| 16:23.09 | kebinusan | http://www.mcvuk.com/news/29268/McDonalds-boss-Games-to-blame-for-childhood-obesity |
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| 16:25.59 | Amadeo | Everyone wants to blame something |
| 16:27.03 | Amadeo | Though there's probably some truth to it, since technology as a whole makes things easier for people |
| 16:27.17 | Amadeo | I'd imagine people were more fit before computers did most of the work for us :P |
| 16:28.03 | kebinusan | well and you have crap with zero nutritional value passing as food, white flour, high fructose garbage in everything |
| 16:29.10 | kebinusan | but yeh, if you plowing the fields that big mac wouldnt be so bad for you I guess |
| 16:29.23 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 16:29.48 | Amadeo | but in the end, it's not the food companies forcing people to eat it either |
| 16:29.49 | CIA-4 | 03schelli * r58138 10GridAutoFrameSize/GridAutoFrameSize.lua: GridAutoFrameSize : fixed occasional wrong group sizing in bgs |
| 16:29.57 | exor674 | I think games are actually good for your health -- sure, CDs might be a bit crunchy |
| 16:30.03 | exor674 | but I don't think they've got much fat |
| 16:30.22 | Amadeo | it's more of the fast-paced American lifestyle |
| 16:30.42 | Amadeo | then you have the fast food companies that capitalize on it |
| 16:30.55 | kebinusan | I dunno, I think that it costs more to eat healthy in this country |
| 16:30.56 | tz8 | wow |
| 16:30.59 | kebinusan | Soda is cheaper than water |
| 16:31.03 | tz8 | i was idle for 4 month now? |
| 16:31.10 | Amadeo | Yeah, it does cost a lot to eat healthy, which is strange |
| 16:31.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:31.34 | SunTsu | .o0( Water runs right out of the wall, how much cheaper can soda be? ) |
| 16:31.45 | kebinusan | SunTsu: marketing |
| 16:31.46 | tz8 | i forgot that i had irsii running in a screen ^^ |
| 16:31.47 | osstia_ | ^^ |
| 16:31.53 | kergoth | how do i check if an actionbutton is active, like for autoshot, a toggle like ability |
| 16:31.56 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:32.32 | chiper | SunTsu: by the bottle, water costs more |
| 16:32.43 | Amadeo | tap water is gross, and I don't trust it :P |
| 16:32.45 | chiper | obviously if you get it from the tap or by the gallon it's cheaper |
| 16:33.03 | tz8 | a quick WAU question: i have "without externals" mode on, and i made a reinstall all addons... it downloaded everything with externals then... why? |
| 16:33.47 | Stan_ | the menu item is called "Default Mode WITH externals" |
| 16:33.49 | Stan_ | turn that off |
| 16:34.03 | tz8 | it is off, believe me ^^ |
| 16:34.20 | Kivin | I actually had it do that once to me =S I never found out why |
| 16:34.28 | SunTsu | tz8: If they were installad as version swith externals you will get then again with externals |
| 16:34.45 | tz8 | they were all without, i'm pretty sure |
| 16:35.14 | tz8 | i've always worked without ext since that option came out and i could remove the sal |
| 16:35.31 | chiper | re: healthy more expensive. http://www.wired.com/special_multimedia/2007/st_infoporn_1601 |
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| 16:36.17 | Amadeo | Yeah, produce...it's sick |
| 16:37.27 | tz8 | so if i have everything with externals now, how can i get a reinstall without externals then? |
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| 16:38.25 | Wiebbe | helloes |
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| 16:43.19 | Wiebbe | damn |
| 16:43.28 | Wiebbe | anytime i want to spam vhaarr, he seems to be afk :P |
| 16:43.43 | vhaarr | how did you reach that conclusion? |
| 16:43.47 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 16:43.47 | Wiebbe | oh |
| 16:43.52 | Wiebbe | because of the no reply at my PM |
| 16:43.52 | Wiebbe | :P |
| 16:43.59 | vhaarr | because you're not registered with nickserv |
| 16:44.08 | Wiebbe | garr, i didnt enter my password this time ^^ |
| 16:44.11 | vhaarr | so your PMs aren't shown to me |
| 16:44.26 | Wiebbe | sec |
| 16:44.28 | Wiebbe | ill identify |
| 16:45.10 | Fisker- | hey sexy vhaarr |
| 16:45.13 | Fisker- | wanna kill all humans? |
| 16:45.25 | vhaarr | yeah but I'm out of ammo |
| 16:45.34 | Fisker- | that doesn't matter |
| 16:45.37 | Fisker- | i'll start with you |
| 16:45.40 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 16:46.04 | vhaarr | too bad I got the [Ammo] already, and kill you first |
| 16:46.21 | vhaarr | oh wait, you're a paladin |
| 16:46.30 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 16:46.34 | Fisker- | rawr |
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| 16:47.13 | Fisker- | yay for wednesdays |
| 16:47.45 | Wiebbe | still not receiving vhaarr? |
| 16:47.59 | Wiebbe | oh nm ;p |
| 16:51.00 | Vulcanus | Will splitting the .lua of an addon into multiple smaller files have a noticeable effect on performance? I find that 170 kb worth of code is nigh impossible to work with due to excessive scrolling and/or code folding :P |
| 16:51.54 | vhaarr | Vulcanus: no |
| 16:51.57 | kenlyric | let's then hope you never become a real progammer |
| 16:52.14 | osstia_ | ouch kenlyric |
| 16:52.18 | kebinusan | heh http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1199893641047.jpg |
| 16:53.41 | Vulcanus | Funny guy... I was talking about the fact that 170kb tries to do several different things to several different frames et cetera. No "real programmer" would ever code something as large as a proper application in 1 file |
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| 16:55.50 | Vulcanus | Is he always a cunt to people he doesn't know or is it just today? :P |
| 16:56.11 | vhaarr | we're always cunts |
| 16:56.14 | Amadeo | It's to everyone, but it's out of deep love |
| 16:56.37 | Vulcanus | o'reilly ;p |
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| 16:57.31 | Matrix110 | Vulcanus just use a proper editor |
| 16:57.37 | Matrix110 | then it doesnt matter if the file is that large |
| 16:58.05 | Maytrix | any of you guys know what chat_msg event to parse to look for when your hunter pet teaches you a new ability?? Would it be CHAT_MSG_SKILL?? |
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| 17:09.51 | charon | heh, 2.3.2 hasn't fixed the bug where you can display enemy talents via DogTag, has it |
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| 17:10.37 | SunTsu | charon: Well, how could patch 2.3.2 fix a feature of rock? |
| 17:11.20 | durcyn | because the talent inspect function works cross-faction, SunTsu |
| 17:11.28 | vhaarr | ~lart SunTsu |
| 17:11.28 | purl | squeezes SunTsu till SunTsu turns blue like papa smurf |
| 17:11.43 | xTR33M | hiya .. anyone who can tell me if its only me where wowaceupdater is not working ? |
| 17:11.46 | charon | SunTsu: patches can break anything by definition |
| 17:11.50 | SunTsu | durcyn: I know, dogTag did that before there was a talent inspection |
| 17:12.05 | charon | no, then it worked only in your faction where addons can exchange messages |
| 17:12.18 | SunTsu | charon: Believe me, it did not |
| 17:12.28 | vhaarr | SunTsu: It worked then because of the talent comm in RockComm. |
| 17:12.43 | vhaarr | Which, obviously, did NOT work cross-faction. |
| 17:14.29 | SunTsu | vhaarr: I rememeber having DogTag for the first time and inspecting talents from both factions, and it was way before there was such a feature when inspecting people |
| 17:14.29 | Fisker- | no vhaarr |
| 17:14.32 | Fisker- | you're obviously wrong! |
| 17:14.40 | Fisker- | Because it can obviously bypass Blizzard restrictions |
| 17:15.06 | Fisker- | Because when Blizzard has made it IMPOSSIBLE(HINT HINT) Rock can just do "Hey yo dawg, i'm bypassing your security overrides lulz giev root access bai" |
| 17:15.34 | vhaarr | SunTsu: perhaps you were running the data miner addon or something, then. I don't remember what it's called, but what you're describing was impossible to do in-game at that point. |
| 17:15.39 | Fisker- | Tattle |
| 17:15.42 | vhaarr | and it's only possible now because of a bug. |
| 17:15.44 | vhaarr | Tattle, right. |
| 17:15.45 | charon | you know, i'm definitely with the "impossible" camp... but just for dramatic effect, it would be great if cck would pass by and say "oh yeah it did" |
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| 17:15.57 | Funkeh` | Fisker-, shut the hell up lol |
| 17:15.58 | charon | *ckk |
| 17:16.06 | Fisker- | does cross-faction inspection still work btw? |
| 17:16.07 | SunTsu | Oh, OK, right, it would be tattle, then |
| 17:16.23 | vhaarr | Fisker-: that's what charon is saying |
| 17:16.27 | vhaarr | they didn't fix it in 2.3.2 |
| 17:16.29 | vhaarr | apparently |
| 17:16.37 | SunTsu | Just never saw that before I had DogTag |
| 17:16.44 | SunTsu | Or CowTip, that is |
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| 17:17.02 | Fisker- | oh vhaarr that's going to be awesome :O |
| 17:17.12 | xTR33M | wowace.com down ? |
| 17:17.13 | vhaarr | why? |
| 17:17.15 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 17:17.21 | Mezir|SemiAFK | :3 ahoi |
| 17:17.36 | charon | Fisker-, vhaarr: haven't had the chance to test with actual arena opponents but it did work on horde in shatt |
| 17:17.49 | Mezir|SemiAFK | well, im searchin for an fubar plugin that shows me my armor in % (like, how damaged it is) |
| 17:17.53 | Mezir|SemiAFK | any ideas? |
| 17:18.01 | vhaarr | durabilityfu |
| 17:18.01 | nevcairiel | FuBar_DuraTek |
| 17:18.03 | Fisker- | Guild Information Log when was that added? |
| 17:18.05 | Mezir|SemiAFK | thx ^^ |
| 17:18.06 | Fisker- | 2.3? |
| 17:18.19 | nevcairiel | yes Fisker- |
| 17:18.39 | Fisker- | it works with people in the arena charon |
| 17:19.00 | Mezir|SemiAFK | lol <_< i never thought it would be so fkn anoying to lvl up a warrior -_____- |
| 17:19.05 | Mezir|SemiAFK | and i though my shaman sucked |
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| 17:22.48 | Zhinjio | Xinhuan: ping |
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| 17:24.22 | CIA-4 | 03oridan * r58139 10SpellReminder/options.lua: |
| 17:24.22 | CIA-4 | SpellReminder: |
| 17:24.22 | CIA-4 | - separate inactive spells so as to remove clutter. |
| 17:25.00 | CIA-4 | 03kemayo * r58140 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: Don't wildly spam if someone has a newer version; warn once, then shut up. |
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| 17:27.09 | Stan_ | fish down :( |
| 17:27.30 | Lemming2K | drops? |
| 17:28.02 | Stan_ | no lol fish.wowace.com |
| 17:28.07 | Stan_ | ping Kaelten |
| 17:28.25 | Kaelten | hrm down again? |
| 17:29.11 | CIA-4 | 03rabbit * r58141 10MobNotes/MobNotes.lua: MobNotes: Can use Esc/Enter in the popup dialog. |
| 17:29.39 | Stan_ | Kaelten: yup |
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| 17:32.36 | Stan_ | urm lol |
| 17:32.47 | Stan_ | I guess there are a few things broken |
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| 17:34.53 | [SW]Dodge | anyone from a german pve server? lf new server ~.~ |
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| 17:35.33 | sb_ | here :o |
| 17:35.37 | sb_ | german pve |
| 17:35.38 | SunTsu | Me, too |
| 17:35.46 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
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| 17:36.19 | SunTsu | [SW]Dodge: Waht is it you are looking for and why do you want to switch realms? |
| 17:36.24 | SunTsu | what even |
| 17:36.25 | [SW]Dodge | lf good guild for ssc/fds and maxbe also hyjal/bt xD |
| 17:36.28 | mort | <- alleria |
| 17:36.34 | sb_ | alliance, mh? :p |
| 17:36.37 | mort | but i would not transfer here |
| 17:36.57 | cncfanatics | reroll on kazzak you all :p |
| 17:37.09 | charon | [SW]Dodge: just check wowjutsu and look through the guild application pages ;) |
| 17:37.12 | cncfanatics | btw, also LF ssc/tk realm |
| 17:37.12 | [SW]Dodge | SunTsu: a guild where i can success in raids and not like here -.- |
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| 17:37.49 | SunTsu | [SW]Dodge: Normally you should find that on any server. I'm on Nozdormu, but I wouldn't really transfer there. |
| 17:38.48 | [SW]Dodge | im on senjin here are 2 or 3 successfull guilds... bot no way to join them -.- |
| 17:39.06 | sb_ | [SW]Dodge: alliance? |
| 17:39.12 | [SW]Dodge | yea |
| 17:39.18 | [SW]Dodge | n811 feral tank .) |
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| 17:42.07 | sb_ | *sigh* :p |
| 17:42.10 | Kaelten | is www.wowace.com down for anyone else? |
| 17:42.17 | [SW]Dodge | you are horde? ^^ |
| 17:42.22 | Varazir[NA] | dose anyone have problem with WAU ? |
| 17:42.29 | Srosh_ | Yes, Kaelten. |
| 17:42.34 | sb_ | [SW]Dodge: yes. :p |
| 17:43.43 | winkiller | is wowace.com down? - are you horde? :P |
| 17:43.48 | winkiller | racist addon site |
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| 17:43.59 | [SW]Dodge | lol! |
| 17:44.35 | [SW]Dodge | Kaelten: wowace.com down here |
| 17:45.27 | Varazir[NA] | that's why WAU keeps crasing ? |
| 17:45.39 | Funkeh` | if wowace is down wau is down |
| 17:45.43 | Funkeh` | they are one and the same |
| 17:46.00 | Varazir[NA] | I still update my addons |
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| 17:46.23 | Hjalte | Funkeh`: Then explain why files.wowace.com is up, but wowace.com is down :P |
| 17:46.48 | Varazir[NA] | I get the send report window but WAU keeps working |
| 17:46.48 | Stan_ | different servers? |
| 17:46.50 | Funkeh` | different servers |
| 17:47.13 | Hjalte | So WAU is using something from wowace.com? |
| 17:47.52 | Stan_ | the rss feed probably |
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| 17:48.24 | Varazir[NA] | the add on the bottom of the program |
| 17:48.30 | Varazir[NA] | adv |
| 17:48.52 | Varazir[NA] | maybe |
| 17:49.50 | Pkekyo| | is it possible to achieve a higher matabolizm? |
| 17:50.24 | Hjalte | Meh. Now gold spammers even do the LFG-channel too >.< |
| 17:51.00 | Pkekyo| | Hjalte: but then again, they should be the only ones in it :p |
| 17:51.21 | Hjalte | Pkekyo|: Noes, I am always in it. People like you make it fail. |
| 17:51.35 | Varazir[NA] | make so no level 1 - 5 can enter the main city |
| 17:52.07 | Ellipsis | and ruin it for bank alts? |
| 17:52.15 | kd3 | my bank alt would be rather displeased with that |
| 17:52.30 | Varazir[NA] | well you play do one or 2 quests |
| 17:52.43 | Ellipsis | it takes more than one or two |
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| 17:52.49 | Ellipsis | and if it's that easy the spammers will just do it too |
| 17:53.02 | SunTsu | Varazir[NA]: The main problem is: Once started leveling you normally can't stop until you ding 70 ;) |
| 17:53.11 | Varazir[NA] | HAHA |
| 17:53.25 | Aeyan | My character list says otherwise |
| 17:53.33 | cncfanatics | mine agrees with SunTsu |
| 17:53.38 | cncfanatics | only got -10 & 70 chars |
| 17:54.19 | Hjalte | Then make it a requirement to have a lvl 70 player on the same account before you can do the fancy stuff |
| 17:54.31 | Kaelten | should be back up |
| 17:54.31 | SunTsu | Reminds me of the warrior I started as a bank alt. "Hm, maybe it will get bank alt when reaching level 10. Maybe at lvl 20. Maybe..." ;) |
| 17:54.35 | Varazir[NA] | when I'm to high for stv I start a new one :) |
| 17:55.10 | Varazir[NA] | stv and hilds it the best zones sofar |
| 17:55.28 | Stan_ | Kaelten: forums are still down for me |
| 17:55.50 | Kaelten | reload |
| 17:55.53 | Kaelten | they're up for me |
| 17:56.07 | chiper | it takes half an hour to level an alt to 5 |
| 17:56.49 | Stan_ | Kaelten: k works |
| 17:56.54 | Pkekyo| | Hjalte: what the flying fuck makes you want to do PuGs? |
| 17:56.57 | Stan_ | but sometimes it hangs |
| 17:57.06 | Kaelten | hrm shouldn't :s |
| 17:57.20 | Hjalte | Pkekyo|: Fresh 70 alts wants to do normal groups sometimes. |
| 17:57.21 | chiper | Pkekyo|: sometimes pugs are the only option |
| 17:57.26 | Stan_ | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10102.msg168210;boardseen#new |
| 17:57.37 | Stan_ | s |
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| 17:57.54 | Stan_ | bah |
| 17:57.57 | Stan_ | stupid client |
| 17:58.06 | Stan_ | $link takes ages to load |
| 17:58.07 | Varazir[NA] | well Pugs has maybe one thing that is you meet new ppl |
| 17:58.22 | Pkekyo| | bwahah, some twat (goldbuyer, anyone?) sellig a stack of [Dalaran Sharp] for 130k gold on our AH :p |
| 18:02.46 | Fisker- | BUY IT AND SHOW HIM |
| 18:03.01 | Fisker- | or report him for lulz |
| 18:03.06 | Kaelten | erm.... |
| 18:03.54 | durcyn | you don't have to have 130k to sell something at that rate, and most people do that to screw up auctioneer users |
| 18:04.11 | durcyn | though i've no idea why anyone would want to raise averages for cheese. |
| 18:05.08 | Fisker- | report him |
| 18:05.09 | Ellipsis | cheese is underappreciated these days |
| 18:05.09 | Fisker- | do it |
| 18:05.17 | Fisker- | it's the only way for salvation |
| 18:05.29 | Fisker- | it'll turn into a legendary customer support thread |
| 18:06.48 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 18:07.13 | NightHawkAtWork | hah, http://homepage.mac.com/rcareaga/diebold/adworks.htm |
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| 18:12.37 | Pkekyo| | "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Diebold- Because shit happens" rofl |
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| 18:20.07 | kergoth | whats the best event to use to check when the player enters or leaves a party? PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED? |
| 18:23.33 | NeoTron | so did anyone go supremus last night? It might be purely random, and most likely is, but we sure seemed to have A LOT of volcanos |
| 18:26.09 | Zhinjio | i hate recipe farming when the RNG is against you. |
| 18:26.10 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: he deep breaths more, too. ;) |
| 18:26.18 | Zhinjio | some mobs... 5 kills and you get your recipe. |
| 18:26.25 | Zhinjio | now... 143 kills and nothing yet |
| 18:28.34 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: that was a good oen |
| 18:28.49 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: and yes I know that is how it sounds but damn man there was a lot of volcanos |
| 18:28.56 | NeoTron | we'll see next week. it's likely just bad luck |
| 18:29.01 | NeoTron | however he could use a buff too |
| 18:29.02 | NightHawkAtWork | most likely. |
| 18:29.15 | NeoTron | almost died though |
| 18:29.30 | NeoTron | the last 10% had 1 tank, no melee (guess why!), 3 healers and 4-5 dps |
| 18:29.52 | NeoTron | we're used to dps in the gaze phase and that got people killed. |
| 18:30.26 | NightHawkAtWork | if i had any idea how that fight worked, that might mean something to me ;) |
| 18:32.00 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: what recipe? |
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| 18:42.57 | Ironhand | my Grid is showing a "shadow" unit frame over each square, basically a half-transparent copy of the frame overlaid about 3 pixels to the left... anyone knows what may be causing this? (using several Grid modules) |
| 18:43.31 | Ironhand | started with patch 2.3.2 |
| 18:44.05 | cncfanatics | try disabling the modules, Ironhand ? |
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| 18:44.33 | Ironhand | yeah think I'll try that - was hoping it was a known problem with an obvious solution |
| 18:45.39 | Fisker- | OH YEAH haste |
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| 18:47.38 | Amadeo | Was that in the Kool-Aid man voice? |
| 18:47.56 | Aeyan | It'd have to be |
| 18:48.13 | kenlyric | only possible translation |
| 18:48.58 | Fisker- | yup Amadeo |
| 18:50.23 | [SW]Dodge | damn windows update -.- |
| 18:51.43 | Amadeo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAO3bJyb12w |
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| 18:53.09 | Ironhand | problem described above seems to be caused by GridExtraBar and GridStatusIncomingHealth |
| 18:54.32 | Karl | could you please post a screenshot? |
| 18:55.00 | Julith | and did you update to last version? |
| 18:56.33 | Ironhand | I will try updating again (did it this morning but never know) and post a screenshot if it persists |
| 18:56.55 | Julith | if you updated this morning you have the newest version |
| 18:57.32 | Julith | with the last version GridExtraBar is merged into GridStatusIncomingHealth which means you can delete GridExtraBar |
| 18:57.52 | Julith | this is propably what caused the shadow (two extrabars) |
| 18:57.59 | Ironhand | ahhhh, that would probably explain then - it only occured if I had enabled both |
| 18:58.48 | Julith | I don't want to know how many others have this "bug" since the last patch xD |
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| 19:01.58 | CIA-4 | 03mok * r58142 10xchar/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:01.59 | CIA-4 | xchar: |
| 19:01.59 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.59 | CIA-4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.21 | Pkekyo| | ~time |
| 19:04.22 | purl | well, time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.01.09 19:04:22 GMT |
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| 19:10.57 | CIA-4 | 03saroz * r58143 10sRaidFrames/ (locales/enUS.lua sRaidFrames.lua sRaidFramesOptions.lua): |
| 19:10.57 | CIA-4 | sRaidFrames: Add visual display of raid readiness. |
| 19:10.57 | CIA-4 | "Not ready" to come. |
| 19:13.09 | NivFreak | anyone know how much rep a heroic Shattered halls run gives? |
| 19:13.30 | NightHawkAtWork | i think ~2kish? |
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| 19:13.42 | NightHawkAtWork | maybe a bit less |
| 19:13.52 | NivFreak | regular is 1700 I think |
| 19:13.57 | NivFreak | heroic BF is 2200 |
| 19:14.06 | NivFreak | so I'm assuming it's somewhat higher |
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| 19:14.49 | NightHawkAtWork | its been a while since i've done heroic shattered halls, so i'm just kinda guessing |
| 19:14.57 | NivFreak | I never pay attention |
| 19:14.59 | NivFreak | to rep gains |
| 19:15.01 | NivFreak | I really should |
| 19:15.54 | Chompers | NivFreak: http://www.wowwiki.com/Honor_Hold |
| 19:16.56 | NivFreak | ah |
| 19:17.01 | NivFreak | the thrallmar page didn't have it |
| 19:17.15 | NivFreak | and the numbers are very different between the two |
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| 19:21.45 | bigzero | man, we had a group trying to do H SH, but all tanks were pussies and wouldn't go |
| 19:22.23 | NivFreak | I've done it on my warrior a few times |
| 19:22.32 | NivFreak | I bring two warlocks and it's fairly easy |
| 19:22.40 | evl | Is there a way to figure out if I succeded in interrupting my current target? |
| 19:23.08 | bigzero | "your so and so interrupts" |
| 19:23.12 | bigzero | in combat log |
| 19:23.15 | NivFreak | I don't think that's reliable |
| 19:23.20 | NivFreak | :) |
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| 19:23.29 | NivFreak | I get that, and cyclone still hits, all the fucking time |
| 19:23.33 | bigzero | hmmm, well, maybe not..it works on spelcasts |
| 19:23.38 | NivFreak | I'm coming for you druids! |
| 19:24.47 | bigzero | NivFreak, we had a perfect group too...3 mages lol and a shaman healer i think |
| 19:25.26 | NivFreak | I'd rather have 3 locks |
| 19:25.31 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 19:25.43 | NivFreak | I just pull the packs way back, let them chain fear a couple while the seduce |
| 19:25.45 | bigzero | cheap :-P |
| 19:25.45 | NivFreak | and I can /afk |
| 19:26.08 | NivFreak | it's easy enough to get them to all stick |
| 19:26.12 | NivFreak | but they do a lot of dmg |
| 19:26.19 | bigzero | meh, if you have frost mages you don't need to tank either |
| 19:26.29 | NivFreak | not quite the same ;) |
| 19:26.52 | bigzero | idk...i can solo H SH mobs when frost |
| 19:27.00 | NivFreak | how much dmg? |
| 19:27.01 | NivFreak | :) |
| 19:27.09 | bigzero | ~1k |
| 19:27.20 | bigzero | but you can keep kiting them for a long time |
| 19:27.24 | NivFreak | yea, so if you have raid geared folks, and not scrubs/pugs |
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| 19:40.52 | bigzero | lua> not next({}) |
| 19:40.52 | lua_bot | bigzero: true |
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| 19:45.06 | aurigena | hey guys |
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| 19:45.48 | kebinusan | heh http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/NovaSk/_medium_DSCN7823.jpg |
| 19:46.42 | aurigena | hm am i the only one experiencing problems with omen/threat1.0 since today? |
| 19:47.37 | Xinhuan | describe the issue |
| 19:48.06 | aurigena | omen tells me all my raid members dont have threat1.0 |
| 19:48.15 | aurigena | on the otherside im the only one shown in their revision thingy |
| 19:48.38 | Xinhuan | wait, you're saying |
| 19:48.44 | Xinhuan | nobody shows up on your omen |
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| 19:48.48 | aurigena | but me |
| 19:48.55 | Xinhuan | and everybody else can only see you and not themselves? |
| 19:49.14 | aurigena | no it works perfectly well on everybody elses computers |
| 19:49.23 | Xinhuan | [1/10 03:48:01] <aurigena> on the otherside im the only one shown in their revision thingy |
| 19:49.26 | Xinhuan | not sure what that means |
| 19:49.32 | aurigena | shown who -doesnt- have it installed |
| 19:49.44 | Xinhuan | what class are you? |
| 19:49.46 | aurigena | hunter |
| 19:49.58 | Xinhuan | did you get any error messages? |
| 19:49.59 | aurigena | the other hunters do not experience any problems neither |
| 19:50.01 | aurigena | nope |
| 19:50.15 | Xinhuan | do you have a bug catching addon instaleld like |
| 19:50.19 | Xinhuan | Bugsack or Swatter? |
| 19:50.48 | bigzero | is this a bad idea? CreateFrame("Frame",nil,"UIParent"):SetScript("OnEvent",function(event,...) if event == "VARIABLES_LOADED" then UIGnome:OnEnable() end end) |
| 19:51.04 | aurigena | well not anymore - let me just get it and ill report back in a couple of minutes |
| 19:51.25 | Xinhuan | can you also tell me if you run your addons embedded or disembedded with libaries? |
| 19:52.16 | aurigena | and that would meaan..? <<' |
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| 19:52.39 | Xinhuan | how did you install all your addons? do you install them by using an updater? |
| 19:52.44 | Xinhuan | or by downloading the zip manually? |
| 19:52.50 | aurigena | i download it manually |
| 19:52.57 | aurigena | and put them into the addon folder |
| 19:52.58 | Xinhuan | from files.wowace.com? |
| 19:53.02 | aurigena | all of them, yes |
| 19:53.03 | ckknight | updater here |
| 19:53.15 | Xinhuan | ok when was your last update of omen? |
| 19:53.24 | aurigena | 10 minutes ago |
| 19:53.25 | Chompers | hey ckk, slash hug :O |
| 19:53.30 | Xinhuan | apart from 10 min ago |
| 19:53.43 | aurigena | 2 days ago |
| 19:54.10 | Xinhuan | hmm, what you're repoting is an existing bug that has been around for some time? |
| 19:54.13 | aurigena | maybe 3 |
| 19:54.15 | Xinhuan | reporting* |
| 19:54.49 | aurigena | well i have never had that kind of problem before |
| 19:55.20 | bigzero | http://wowace.pastey.net/80396 this should work, right? |
| 19:55.52 | Xinhuan | bigzero: that frame has no registered events to begin with |
| 19:55.57 | Xinhuan | so the OnEvent would never fire |
| 19:56.01 | aurigena | i have the others threat bars shown when i activate ktm data to be displayed - but well... ktm sux |
| 19:57.23 | bigzero | Xinhuan, thought i wouldn't get away without storing the frame somewhere... |
| 19:57.26 | aurigena | i have also tried to reset the omen profile, and deleting the savedvar parts of omen and threat did not work either |
| 19:57.42 | Xinhuan | it'll work if you add one mroe line right after it |
| 19:57.52 | Xinhuan | to register that frame with VARIABLES_LOADED |
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| 19:59.26 | bigzero | Xinhuan, yeah, i did that, but now i have to store the frame pointer. lol, not that it really matters, but I wanted to avoid it |
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| 19:59.45 | Xinhuan | you make that frame in the last 2 lines of your file |
| 20:00.01 | bigzero | does that matter? |
| 20:00.11 | Xinhuan | and your function would have an upvalue reference to "UIGnome" ? |
| 20:00.33 | bigzero | yeah, UIGnome is a global table |
| 20:00.49 | Xinhuan | :SetScript("OnEvent",function(event,...) |
| 20:00.52 | Xinhuan | it should be |
| 20:00.56 | Xinhuan | :SetScript("OnEvent",function(self, event,...) |
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| 20:01.17 | Xinhuan | self will be the frame that triggered the event |
| 20:01.26 | bigzero | well, all the arguments get discarded anyway, so it doesn't matter |
| 20:01.34 | Xinhuan | it does matter |
| 20:01.38 | Xinhuan | if event == "VARIABLES_LOADED" |
| 20:01.43 | Xinhuan | you're comparing the frame vs a string |
| 20:01.54 | Xinhuan | event is the 2nd arg passed in |
| 20:02.17 | cncfanatics | omg, managed to get WoW working in opengl mode |
| 20:02.21 | bigzero | oh, self gets passed first? gotcha. I dropped the comparison anyway since i'm only registering 1 event |
| 20:02.29 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 20:02.49 | Xinhuan | all OnBlah functions have a implicit function wrapper that passes in (self, event, arg1, arg2, arg3, ...) |
| 20:03.16 | Xinhuan | for OnEvent that is |
| 20:03.58 | bigzero | darn Ace2 getting me used to just OnEvent(event,arg1,...) |
| 20:04.17 | Xinhuan | that's because the "self" argument is hidden with you used the : notation to define the function |
| 20:04.31 | Xinhuan | here, you are defining the raw function without the : notation |
| 20:06.16 | bigzero | Only when you include AceEvent does the frame get created, right? |
| 20:06.18 | sb_ | mhh |
| 20:06.22 | sb_ | threat/omen broken somehow :o |
| 20:06.37 | Xinhuan | AceEvent-2.0 has a frame internally that registers for the event |
| 20:06.47 | Xinhuan | when that event fires, it calls your addon's :OnEvent |
| 20:06.55 | aurigena | |21:07:23| <sb_> threat/omen broken somehow :o <- \o/ |
| 20:06.58 | Xinhuan | with the same args |
| 20:07.03 | aurigena | mine too |
| 20:07.13 | Xinhuan | sb, what class are you? |
| 20:07.51 | bigzero | Xinhuan, and then you get self which points to your addon, rather than the frame that fired the event, which of course would be useless if it did otherwise. |
| 20:07.52 | sb_ | priest |
| 20:08.23 | Xinhuan | no, bigzero, when aceevent calls your addon |
| 20:08.26 | Xinhuan | it does it this way |
| 20:08.45 | bigzero | with a .? |
| 20:08.52 | Xinhuan | blahblahblah["UIGnome"](UiGnome, event, arg1, arg2, ...) |
| 20:08.58 | aurigena | sb_ a friend of mine just told me he had the same problems and by deleting his .luas and the omen/threat folder it should be fixed |
| 20:09.05 | Xinhuan | it explicitly passes in "UiGnome" as the first arg |
| 20:09.07 | aurigena | didnt work here but maybe you could try |
| 20:09.16 | Xinhuan | so that you will receive UiGNome correctly as the self arg |
| 20:09.27 | Xinhuan | i.e your addon object |
| 20:09.49 | bigzero | Xinhuan, ah, well, same thing...the self isn't the frame that fired. but it's ok, i know it wouldn't make sense if it did it otherwise |
| 20:09.49 | Xinhuan | it doesn't use the table:function(blah blah) call |
| 20:10.00 | Xinhuan | it uses table.function(addonobject, blah blah) |
| 20:10.03 | sb_ | well, restarting wow could fix that - havent tried yet |
| 20:10.09 | bigzero | Xinhuan, right, kapish |
| 20:11.30 | Xinhuan | sb_ issue existed before or after today? |
| 20:12.14 | sb_ | Xinhuan: well - ZA now is the first time i see that issue - and others seem to have some problems |
| 20:12.24 | bigzero | if i do function() UIGnome:OnEnable() end, that doesn't have to be after the OnEnable function, right? |
| 20:12.32 | aurigena | xin i dont even remember whether this was caused by the new version or by patch 2.3.2 - i have not been playing for 2 days |
| 20:12.36 | Xinhuan | it can be any thing you want bigzero |
| 20:12.38 | sb_ | it doesnt detect some people |
| 20:12.49 | bigzero | Xinhuan, you mean anywhere? |
| 20:12.58 | Xinhuan | its just a function |
| 20:13.01 | Xinhuan | you can do whatever you want |
| 20:13.23 | Xinhuan | function() local a = -nil end |
| 20:13.28 | Xinhuan | you can even do that and crash your wow |
| 20:13.36 | Xinhuan | since trying to parse -nil will crash lua |
| 20:13.40 | bigzero | lol, well that's what i'm trying to avoid |
| 20:14.02 | bigzero | I think i got it |
| 20:14.36 | cncfanatics | -nil crashes lua ? |
| 20:14.54 | Xinhuan | sb_, aurigena, i'm trying to find out whether this problem existed before today's omen/acecomm updates |
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| 20:15.21 | bigzero | ...lua> -nil |
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| 20:15.27 | Xinhuan | don't do that |
| 20:15.30 | bigzero | lol |
| 20:15.31 | Xinhuan | it will crash lu_bot |
| 20:15.39 | bigzero | that's what i figured |
| 20:15.47 | aurigena | thanks :) ill try fixing the problem by my own in the meantime - tell you about it when i found a solution |
| 20:16.00 | cncfanatics | why does -nil crash ? |
| 20:16.00 | bigzero | tempting though |
| 20:16.04 | Xinhuan | dunno |
| 20:16.16 | Xinhuan | but its a extremely quick way to crash your wow if you want a hard disconnect |
| 20:16.19 | Xinhuan | /dump -nil |
| 20:16.41 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.44 | cncfanatics | well, locks up |
| 20:16.58 | cncfanatics | btw -nil doesn't do jack for me |
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| 20:17.29 | cncfanatics | guess I'll stick to while true do end |
| 20:17.52 | Xinhuan | maybe it only crashes on windows |
| 20:17.54 | CIA-4 | 03bigzero 07bigzero * r58144 10UIGnome/UIGnome/ (UIGnome.lua UIGnome.toc embeds.xml): |
| 20:17.54 | CIA-4 | UIGnome: |
| 20:17.54 | CIA-4 | - removed Ace2 dependency |
| 20:17.54 | CIA-4 | - better handling when saving variables that don't exist in the first place |
| 20:19.10 | evl | How do I extract the values from a pattern such as SELFKILLOTHER "You have slain %s!" |
| 20:19.24 | bigzero | what value? |
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| 20:19.37 | bigzero | the %s part? |
| 20:20.47 | bigzero | string.mathch("your string",string.sub(SELFKILLOTHER,"%%s","(.*)")) |
| 20:21.01 | sb_ | Xinhuan: i'm not sure if it is only some version issue (mixed old + new version) |
| 20:21.16 | evl | I'd like to take a normal combat log string and use that pattern to retrieve the values |
| 20:21.31 | Xinhuan | because we made some changes to the core ace2 communication stuff, and also omen |
| 20:21.39 | Xinhuan | so that the string_char() error goes away |
| 20:21.46 | Xinhuan | but that shouldn't affect anything else |
| 20:22.09 | CIA-4 | 03kagaro * r58145 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: GatherMate: more wold map pin updates (drycode) |
| 20:22.16 | bigzero | evl, if you just want to retrieve the name of the mob, then try what i said |
| 20:22.54 | bigzero | evl, you could of course just write "You have slain (.*)!" in manually into the string.match |
| 20:23.49 | bigzero | Xinhuan, is there like a deformat function? maybe i'm being retarded here |
| 20:23.57 | Xinhuan | no, heh |
| 20:24.11 | Xinhuan | given a format() string, you have to write your own deformatting string.match() |
| 20:24.23 | Xinhuan | or you can use Deformat-2.0 library |
| 20:24.27 | Xinhuan | which is pretty silly |
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| 20:24.33 | bigzero | k, well then that's the way to do it...minus the typo |
| 20:24.51 | kagaro | Xinhuan you in game ? |
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| 20:25.11 | Xinhuan | yes kagaro, but trying to determine if today's changes broke omen (it shouldn't) |
| 20:25.25 | cncfanatics | today's changes broke sws |
| 20:25.26 | kagaro | there was an update today ? |
| 20:25.28 | cncfanatics | for some reason |
| 20:25.32 | bigzero | i wish they would document UI changes better |
| 20:25.40 | Chompers | so, vashj attempts last night |
| 20:25.46 | Chompers | then wiping on gruuls tonight |
| 20:25.49 | Xinhuan | swstats broke because of a :SetMinMaxValue() api change |
| 20:25.52 | Chompers | :o |
| 20:25.53 | Xinhuan | just go to the line that errored |
| 20:25.59 | Xinhuan | and edit something |
| 20:26.21 | bigzero | like official UI patch notes instead of having to hunt for them on the forums for an incomplete list |
| 20:26.38 | aurigena | "Not using Threat-1.0 or compatible agent" :< again |
| 20:27.07 | bigzero | Xinhuan, maybe your AceComm fix broke it? |
| 20:27.39 | Xinhuan | i do not think so, my fix only changed the way tables are serialized |
| 20:27.52 | bigzero | other clients can't read the data comming in because they don't have the newest AceCom |
| 20:27.59 | Xinhuan | that isn't it |
| 20:28.04 | Xinhuan | because the code had 3 methods of serializing a table |
| 20:28.05 | aurigena | i get that message for everybody in the raid, and all the others are told that im the one missing (still) |
| 20:28.20 | Xinhuan | and hence 3 methods of deserializing a table |
| 20:28.32 | bigzero | Xinhuan, i looked at the patch note...some other stuff was changed besides your fix though |
| 20:28.41 | Xinhuan | we mererly removed method A of serializing a table, so it would still serialize using method B or C |
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| 20:29.44 | bigzero | aurigena, should try an older version of AceComm...perhaps.. |
| 20:29.58 | bigzero | would be an easy way to rule it out |
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| 20:33.13 | aurigena | hm with acecomm you mean the usual ace addon or a separate one? i cant remember having had that at any time o_O |
| 20:33.14 | bigzero | aurigena is using embeded libs, right? |
| 20:33.40 | Xinhuan | i think it has always been an issue generally |
| 20:33.44 | Xinhuan | not just today |
| 20:33.53 | bigzero | aurigena, it would be embeded into Threat, you would never know if you had it |
| 20:33.54 | aurigena | thats what xinhuan asked me too - i have manually put the omen/threat/ace folders into the addon folder |
| 20:34.03 | Xinhuan | "I'm having a bit of a problem, although I believe it's caused by Threat-1.0 and not Omen. I have the same versions as the rest of my raid, but nobody else can see my threat and I can't see anybody else's threat. No errors or anything, it's just like it's not communicating with anyone else. I tried wiping my Omen SVs, but that didn't help. Any idea what might be causing it? :S" - december 7 |
| 20:34.25 | aurigena | thats exactly what i am experiencing right now |
| 20:34.44 | bigzero | hmm, i saw a bunch of posts on the wow forums today and yesterday though |
| 20:35.14 | bigzero | Xinhuan, i'll get on your server...we can debug |
| 20:35.21 | Xinhuan | debug what? |
| 20:35.44 | aurigena | the bug *drool* (-_- sry) |
| 20:35.49 | bigzero | w/e's causing it |
| 20:36.05 | kagaro | hat was changed today btw ? I saw yesterdays patchnotes what changed? |
| 20:36.13 | Xinhuan | that would require it the issue to be reproducable |
| 20:36.19 | Xinhuan | but it just seems to happen randomly to certain people |
| 20:36.24 | bigzero | aurigena...lol, achive your addons directory and post it somewhere |
| 20:37.08 | bigzero | i'm kinda serious though. if you could do that, that would be awesome |
| 20:37.27 | Xinhuan | there was a totally different bug we found 2 weeks ago in acecomm that was transmitting messages (including omen) to the wrong channel group |
| 20:37.43 | Xinhuan | if you used any addon that had messed with the battlefield minimap |
| 20:37.48 | Xinhuan | or just map addons in general |
| 20:38.02 | exor674 | that's obscure :D |
| 20:38.19 | Xinhuan | indeed |
| 20:39.02 | aurigena | hm... i updated cartographer too today |
| 20:39.18 | aurigena | o_O' |
| 20:39.52 | exor674 | lol, mebbe that patch on AceComm last nigth actuallydid hork something haha |
| 20:40.01 | bigzero | aurigena, did you see what I said above? think you can upload your addons archived to like rapishare or something? |
| 20:40.07 | Xinhuan | bigzero, i didn't find anything on the UI forums that had ppl with the same bug |
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| 20:41.20 | aurigena | well yeah i queryed you about that but i guess youre blocking querys for any reason - ill try doing that but do not expect to find a clean addon collection ^^ |
| 20:41.44 | bigzero | oh, sorry...need to identify with nickserv |
| 20:41.53 | bigzero | actually i am...you might not be |
| 20:42.01 | aurigena | yes im here for the first time |
| 20:42.12 | Xinhuan | check your status window |
| 20:42.16 | aurigena | let me highlight you in a couple of minutes |
| 20:42.17 | bigzero | ah, need a registered nick to send messages |
| 20:42.17 | Xinhuan | you can't send Pms unless your'e registered |
| 20:42.30 | bigzero | Xinhuan, i may have dreamt it |
| 20:42.31 | aurigena | yep just recognized that |
| 20:42.45 | vossi | hello. anybody got huge problems with Omen? |
| 20:42.49 | bigzero | ha!!! |
| 20:42.53 | vossi | cant seem to see everyone in raid |
| 20:43.21 | NeoTron | :se noai |
| 20:43.21 | NeoTron | a:se ai |
| 20:43.25 | NeoTron | grr |
| 20:43.33 | bigzero | vossi, we're trying to debug it |
| 20:43.47 | Xinhuan | what class are you vossi |
| 20:43.52 | vossi | Druid |
| 20:43.55 | Xinhuan | and what version of omen? |
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| 20:44.07 | vossi | just downloaded the newest and ingame it shows 55025 still |
| 20:44.12 | vossi | any libs to kill before? |
| 20:44.24 | aurigena | it shows 55025 over here too |
| 20:44.51 | bigzero | Xinhuan, did you update to the newest version too? |
| 20:45.01 | Xinhuan | it worked fine for me |
| 20:45.08 | aurigena | while the threat-1.0 version says 58098 (the "right" one) |
| 20:45.36 | Stan_ | lol |
| 20:45.40 | Stan_ | we're raiding atm |
| 20:45.44 | Stan_ | and omen is sooo not working |
| 20:45.51 | vossi | its a mess :( |
| 20:46.01 | Stan_ | funniest thing is |
| 20:46.09 | Stan_ | our MT has the newest version |
| 20:46.16 | Stan_ | and I can't see his threat |
| 20:46.18 | bigzero | :-/ |
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| 20:46.34 | Stan_ | fun times as a shadowpriest :D |
| 20:46.44 | Kivin | poor AceComm |
| 20:46.51 | bigzero | Xinhuan, this really looks like AceComm issue, what else changed very recently? |
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| 20:46.58 | Xinhuan | threat itself changed |
| 20:47.14 | bigzero | Xinhuan, hey how did it used to detect what serialization method to use? |
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| 20:47.31 | aurigena | stan_ i left my raid grp at bloodboil too ^^ wouldnt like to be the reason for a wipe |
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| 20:47.37 | Xinhuan | it would do a test to see if it was a list |
| 20:47.49 | bigzero | Xinhuan, maybe it always chose A and then on occasions B or C...now you removed A so perhaps one of the others was causing a problem all along |
| 20:48.14 | Xinhuan | that's the problem, choosing A caused issues |
| 20:48.31 | bigzero | this issue? |
| 20:48.37 | bigzero | or some other issue? |
| 20:48.55 | bigzero | you smash one bug, you uncover another... |
| 20:50.05 | bigzero | god that file is long... |
| 20:50.14 | vossi | reverting to an old version didnt help at all |
| 20:50.15 | exor674 | which file? |
| 20:50.16 | vossi | curse gaming one |
| 20:50.31 | Xinhuan | vossi, did you update any other addon apart from omen? |
| 20:50.37 | bigzero | exor674, AceComm |
| 20:50.38 | vossi | well general WAU update :( |
| 20:50.50 | bigzero | yeah, then reverting just omen would do no good |
| 20:51.15 | aurigena | there is a mage encountering the same problem in my raid now @ xinhuan (dunno if that helps in any way ^^) |
| 20:51.26 | bigzero | now if you did with externals update and dissabled all addons but omen, then tested it |
| 20:51.30 | Stan_ | aurigena: yeah, bloodboil is next here.. |
| 20:52.01 | bigzero | vossi, actually, since you got older version from curse, disable all addons but omen and see if it's fixed |
| 20:52.28 | vossi | bit tough tanking through supremus trash atm and only 2 tanks here today |
| 20:52.37 | CIA-4 | 03saroz * r58146 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: |
| 20:52.38 | CIA-4 | sRaidFrames: |
| 20:52.38 | CIA-4 | - Mark the player who initiated the ready check as ready |
| 20:52.38 | CIA-4 | - Send statuses for Ready and NotReady, not used for anything at the moment. |
| 20:52.55 | Ellipsis | did they ninja-nerf the cooking daily rewards? |
| 20:53.02 | bigzero | ok, aurigena, think you could do that? get the version from curse and disable all the other addons |
| 20:53.34 | aurigena | all but omen? |
| 20:53.48 | bigzero | then do the same with the version from files.wowace.com and see if it reappears |
| 20:53.51 | bigzero | yes, aurigena |
| 20:53.54 | bigzero | just omen |
| 20:53.56 | aurigena | k sec |
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| 20:55.17 | aurigena | r54897 (2.3 fixes) <- latest version on curse.com |
| 20:55.20 | aurigena | got that now |
| 20:55.33 | bigzero | ok, try it |
| 20:55.43 | bigzero | with no other addons enabled |
| 20:56.18 | bigzero | Xinhuan, what did you mean "threat itself changed" |
| 20:56.42 | Xinhuan | the bugs affected both threat and acecomm, so both were updated |
| 20:56.56 | bigzero | oh |
| 20:57.30 | aurigena | hm guess it works bigzero |
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| 20:58.12 | Flareon | Evening |
| 20:58.22 | bigzero | aurigena, now try the files.wowace.com version without any other addon enabled |
| 20:58.31 | aurigena | sec |
| 20:58.35 | bigzero | aurigena, i forgot to make you test for addon conflicts |
| 20:58.45 | Flareon | looking for some pre-entire-ui-rebuild help with Omen if anyone's here who can help? |
| 20:59.01 | vossi | so basically .. if i get thread, acecomm and omen from yesterday it should all work? |
| 20:59.19 | aurigena | i dont know what you mean by that anyways so.. ^^ |
| 20:59.25 | Antiarc | Stan_: Try /run AceLibrary("Threat-1.0"):DumpThreatTable() |
| 20:59.30 | Antiarc | See if you get threat ouput |
| 20:59.33 | Flareon | !! |
| 20:59.37 | Flareon | I have the same problem I think |
| 21:00.00 | Flareon | absolutely no data save my own, except output from KTM if I turn the option on? |
| 21:00.12 | Stan_ | Antiarc: kk! |
| 21:00.16 | aurigena | wont work big |
| 21:00.20 | nadas | everyone in my raid has that problem too :) |
| 21:00.28 | bigzero | aurigena, ok, thanks |
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| 21:00.34 | nadas | people show as incompatible on no threat-1.0 |
| 21:00.45 | nadas | show up if ktm data is enabled though |
| 21:00.47 | Xinhuan | hm |
| 21:00.50 | Antiarc | They're incompatible? o.0 |
| 21:00.56 | Antiarc | What versions do they register with? |
| 21:01.09 | Antiarc | LAST_BACKWARDS_COMPATIBLE_REVISION = 42451 |
| 21:01.10 | Flareon | I'm the only one in my raid with the issue >.< |
| 21:01.11 | Pkekyo| | ~time |
| 21:01.11 | purl | 2008.01.09 21:01:11 GMT, or the fourth dimension |
| 21:01.13 | Antiarc | Which was a long-ass time ago |
| 21:01.22 | nadas | ot people here with threat rev 58098 |
| 21:01.26 | nadas | got* |
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| 21:01.34 | nadas | showing up as no threat/incompat |
| 21:01.35 | Xinhuan | antiarc |
| 21:01.40 | Antiarc | There's no way they should be marked incompat that way :/ |
| 21:01.45 | Xinhuan | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/Ace2/AceComm-2.0 |
| 21:01.45 | Antiarc | nadas: Can you give me a screenshot? |
| 21:01.52 | vossi | yeah dumping raid revisions shows almost everyone threat-1.0 incompatible |
| 21:01.53 | Stan_ | Antiarc: yeah I get threat output from the MT |
| 21:01.53 | aurigena | could the "old" version from curse.com at least solve the problem for a short time and still be correct in its threat display? wouldnt like to pull aggro |
| 21:01.56 | Xinhuan | do you think those 2 commits changed anything that might break something? |
| 21:02.03 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: checking |
| 21:02.06 | Flareon | <-- add to the line of people to chat with Antiarc <3 |
| 21:02.08 | Stan_ | but nothing showing in Omen |
| 21:02.27 | nadas | Antiarc: sorry, correct msg is "Not using Threat-1.0 or compatible agent" |
| 21:02.36 | bigzero | aurigena, as long as you didn't update any other addons, curse version should work |
| 21:02.40 | Antiarc | nadas: Aha, okay |
| 21:02.41 | nadas | when i do a revision check |
| 21:02.49 | Antiarc | I'll bet it is an AceComm bug |
| 21:02.55 | nadas | and i know for a fact that everyone is running threat/omen :) |
| 21:03.00 | aurigena | i updated ace2 |
| 21:03.01 | Antiarc | Gimme a sec to check up on it, folks :) |
| 21:03.02 | nadas | yeah, that's what i'm thinking |
| 21:03.14 | bigzero | aurigena, need to roll that back as well |
| 21:03.15 | nadas | saw some drycode regarding table serialization in acecomm |
| 21:03.19 | aurigena | k |
| 21:03.21 | nadas | guess that's what's messing it up |
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| 21:03.49 | Xinhuan | i can't really find anything suspicious, but if you think there's something in there that could affect things, could rollback those 2 commits |
| 21:04.19 | nadas | i'd get an old rev from the svn if i wasn't busy raiding :) |
| 21:04.29 | Antiarc | Line 41 in r57236 - what's up with that? |
| 21:04.53 | nadas | lol |
| 21:04.59 | nadas | that's suspicious alright :) |
| 21:05.06 | Xinhuan | which line is that Antiarc |
| 21:05.14 | bigzero | 41 |
| 21:05.15 | bigzero | lol |
| 21:05.18 | nadas | in acecomm |
| 21:05.23 | bigzero | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua?r1=57236&r2=58112 |
| 21:05.26 | Antiarc | 42Â -local AceEvent = AceLibrary:HasInstance("AceEvent-2.0") and AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0") |
| 21:05.27 | Antiarc | 41+local AceEvent |
| 21:05.35 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 21:06.05 | Xinhuan | i think that is the only change that could break acecomm |
| 21:06.19 | bigzero | well, fix it up and test it out |
| 21:06.23 | bigzero | go go :-) |
| 21:06.26 | Xinhuan | the rest looks ok |
| 21:06.27 | nadas | testing |
| 21:06.35 | nadas | just waiting for people to get back |
| 21:06.37 | nadas | :p |
| 21:07.08 | bigzero | nadas, changing it in one place doesn't mean it will change anything...change the verion up top too |
| 21:07.11 | Antiarc | I'm mildly suspicious just just ripping out the list stuff wholesale |
| 21:07.22 | Xinhuan | what do you think could break? |
| 21:07.37 | Antiarc | Send a list, get a hash |
| 21:07.38 | Xinhuan | it was just a alternate method of serializing a table that was "detected as a list" |
| 21:07.38 | nadas | bigzero: i know, not running embeds |
| 21:07.41 | Antiarc | Or something like that |
| 21:07.43 | nadas | but |
| 21:07.47 | bigzero | nadas, ah, k |
| 21:07.53 | nadas | i may need everyone else to fix it too :) |
| 21:08.01 | Xinhuan | that doesn't affect deseriazation though |
| 21:08.03 | aurigena | hm rolling back everything but omen wouldnt work either |
| 21:08.12 | Flareon | if I could find the damn line I'd tell you if it works |
| 21:08.21 | Flareon | got everyone else in the raid with the whole lot working |
| 21:08.43 | Antiarc | Flareon: Everyone in the raid has it working but you? |
| 21:08.52 | Antiarc | You're not seeing threat from them, or they aren't seeing threat from you? |
| 21:08.59 | Flareon | both ways |
| 21:09.05 | sag_ich_nicht | hmm |
| 21:09.07 | sag_ich_nicht | what the hell |
| 21:09.13 | Antiarc | okay |
| 21:09.14 | Xinhuan | do you run BugSack or Swatter? |
| 21:09.19 | Flareon | turn on the KTM input it works fine |
| 21:09.19 | Flareon | no |
| 21:09.23 | Flareon | well |
| 21:09.26 | Flareon | not fine obviously :p |
| 21:09.34 | Flareon | but some nublet still uses KTM |
| 21:09.37 | Antiarc | I suspect that's just because someone in the raid uses KTM |
| 21:09.38 | aurigena | flareon ktm is not working fine |
| 21:09.47 | Xinhuan | does your interface optins say you hide lua errors? |
| 21:09.51 | Antiarc | So it enables the KTM transmite code in Omen |
| 21:09.55 | Flareon | yep |
| 21:10.08 | Flareon | basically I can get KTM data |
| 21:10.10 | Flareon | but none from Omen |
| 21:10.10 | sag_ich_nicht | why is a judgment against spell reflect reflecting back my already judged seal of the crusader debuff on me instead of the instant damage of seal of command? |
| 21:10.23 | Antiarc | Yeah, the KTM transmit stuff in Omen doesn't use AceComm |
| 21:10.25 | Flareon | "Display LUA Errors" Enabled |
| 21:10.25 | krka | Flareon: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 21:10.28 | Antiarc | Which is a good clue that it's AceCOmm |
| 21:10.34 | exor674 | isn't tuat Luna? |
| 21:10.41 | Antiarc | No, it's Lua. |
| 21:10.42 | aurigena | with ktm enabled i obviously get ktm data but ktm is not quite reliable enough for raiding bt in my opinion |
| 21:10.49 | Xinhuan | Antiarc, fix the aceevent line first? |
| 21:10.50 | aurigena | pulled aggro at narjentus at 80% :( |
| 21:10.50 | Flareon | so |
| 21:10.52 | Flareon | line 41 |
| 21:11.03 | Xinhuan | if you look at the entire file, aceevent isn't assigned a value at all |
| 21:11.18 | Antiarc | It is ever used? |
| 21:11.22 | bigzero | Flareon, does it say local AceEvent? |
| 21:11.24 | NivFreak | Antiarc: do you know if any threatlib bugs with nightbane? |
| 21:11.25 | Xinhuan | wait it does |
| 21:11.26 | Flareon | yep |
| 21:11.28 | Flareon | line 41 |
| 21:11.31 | Xinhuan | line 2169 |
| 21:11.35 | Antiarc | NivFreak: I know that Nightbane's threat itself is screwy as hell |
| 21:11.35 | harldephin | uhm, why can't i send mail to a char of a guest account? |
| 21:11.46 | Antiarc | NivFreak: There was a big thread about it in the D&R forums |
| 21:11.50 | bigzero | Flareon, make it local AceEvent = AceLibrary:HasInstance("AceEvent-2.0") and AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0") and try |
| 21:11.51 | NivFreak | Antiarc: We've had 2 different mages pull aggro when they were #3 or 4 on the list |
| 21:12.03 | bigzero | Flareon without the and try part of course |
| 21:12.05 | NivFreak | well into the group phases too |
| 21:12.15 | NivFreak | ground |
| 21:12.33 | harldephin | or different question: why CAN i send mail to a char of a guest account but it doesn't seem to ever RECEIVE that mail. |
| 21:12.46 | NivFreak | it'll come back in 30 days |
| 21:12.46 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: Look at the upgrade function |
| 21:12.47 | Flareon | lol bigzero, naturally :p |
| 21:12.48 | NivFreak | if they don't pay |
| 21:12.49 | Antiarc | local function external |
| 21:12.50 | Flareon | giving it a go |
| 21:13.15 | Xinhuan | yes but that is only for reembedding purposes? |
| 21:13.26 | bigzero | ok, you guys work this out...i'm gonna go take a shower |
| 21:13.27 | Xinhuan | aceevent should still have an initial value? |
| 21:13.28 | bigzero | :-) |
| 21:13.31 | nadas | no luck fixing line 41 but i guess everyone else in the raid is affected |
| 21:13.32 | Antiarc | I'm just wondering if there's some voodoo there |
| 21:13.43 | Arrowmaster | i thought threat-1.0 used libstub now and not acelibrary? |
| 21:13.46 | harldephin | NivFreak: so they'll never be able to receive it even if they go to the mailbox? |
| 21:13.52 | Antiarc | I suspect ripping out the lists was a bad direction |
| 21:13.57 | Antiarc | It'd be better to just sanity-check the keys |
| 21:14.08 | Antiarc | make sure k >= 1 <= #t |
| 21:14.17 | bigzero | harldephin, not until they pay for the account |
| 21:14.24 | Xinhuan | still it doesn't make sense |
| 21:14.26 | vossi | no single person in our raid can see it now |
| 21:14.36 | vossi | any coherent view |
| 21:14.42 | harldephin | hm, ok. |
| 21:14.51 | harldephin | that's stupid, anyway. |
| 21:15.02 | aurigena | is there an older version of omen to download anywhere? except the really stone aged one from curse? or do you think that should work fine because the others have the latest version working on their pcs? |
| 21:15.03 | harldephin | thanks for helping out though. |
| 21:15.03 | Antiarc | vossi: Nobody can see your threat, or anyone's threat, or what? |
| 21:15.16 | Flareon | err right |
| 21:15.17 | vossi | gonna ask .. after supremus |
| 21:15.21 | Flareon | that's odd |
| 21:15.30 | Flareon | I now have myself |
| 21:15.35 | Flareon | and "Aggro Gain" |
| 21:15.37 | Flareon | which moves |
| 21:15.40 | Flareon | regardless of what I do. |
| 21:16.09 | sb_ | and version query shows incompatible or no threat :o |
| 21:16.22 | Flareon | so it seems to know that something is tanking, and that it has a certain amount of threat, which is increasing |
| 21:16.39 | Flareon | as Aggro gain is simply tanking character's aggro +30% ? |
| 21:16.45 | Flareon | but doesn't wanna show me. |
| 21:16.48 | Xinhuan | i notice a common thing Antiarc, i think everyone that has these issues are running embedded libs? |
| 21:17.00 | Xinhuan | it probably has something to do with the aceevent upgrade path |
| 21:17.02 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: I'm not sure that should have an effect |
| 21:17.10 | sb_ | Xinhuan: no |
| 21:17.13 | Antiarc | Flareon: In combat, try this |
| 21:17.15 | sb_ | no embedded here |
| 21:17.16 | sb_ | +t |
| 21:17.18 | *** join/#wowace Vegeta]BT[ (n=Vegeta-G@85.8.90.199) |
| 21:17.18 | Xinhuan | hm |
| 21:17.24 | sb_ | standalone libs |
| 21:17.26 | Flareon | quick not much shade of aran trash left :p |
| 21:17.28 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.33 | Antiarc | See if you get anything |
| 21:17.34 | Flareon | oh yeh that one. |
| 21:17.35 | aurigena | flareon even the aggro gain bar is not workign fine over here |
| 21:17.41 | aurigena | though i have it displayed, too |
| 21:17.50 | Flareon | yeh I added a line. |
| 21:17.59 | aurigena | i get aggro before i passed the 100/130 % mark |
| 21:18.06 | bigzero | Flareon, noone cares about threat on shade |
| 21:18.09 | sb_ | Antiarc: yup, 2 entries |
| 21:18.17 | Flareon | lotta data |
| 21:18.18 | vossi | Antiarc: some see a few (2-4 people) i see none |
| 21:18.25 | Flareon | entries for all raid members |
| 21:18.43 | Antiarc | Okay, but none of it is getting to Omen? |
| 21:18.48 | vossi | all have newest Omen - but no idea about threat/AceComm |
| 21:18.48 | Flareon | nope |
| 21:18.56 | Antiarc | Okay. Thanks. |
| 21:19.02 | Antiarc | I'm setting up a seting environment myself here |
| 21:19.06 | Xinhuan | so, there is threat in the tables, but omen is not displaying them? |
| 21:19.21 | Antiarc | Is there anyone free to roll an alt to party with me and give info? |
| 21:19.31 | Xinhuan | you're on EU? |
| 21:19.38 | Xinhuan | i'm on US |
| 21:19.45 | Antiarc | US, Cenarion Circle, Alliance |
| 21:19.55 | Xinhuan | want me to make a lvl 1? |
| 21:19.57 | Antiarc | Sure |
| 21:20.05 | Xinhuan | faction, race? |
| 21:20.11 | Antiarc | Alliance, dwarf/gnome |
| 21:20.24 | Antiarc | I have my mage which serves as my testing platform parked in IF :D |
| 21:21.18 | Xinhuan | making char, brb |
| 21:21.40 | Xinhuan | lol full addons loaded, brb |
| 21:21.44 | Xinhuan | copying settings over |
| 21:21.47 | aurigena | deleting the whole wtf folder and starting wow with only omen enabled doesnt work |
| 21:21.48 | aurigena | :( |
| 21:22.14 | *** join/#wowace NE|Amenti (n=IR@84-245-8-237.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 21:22.44 | NE|Amenti | Heya, is anyone having problems with omen since today? noone in our raid sees the palatank or the warrior tanks on the threatlists ;o.. |
| 21:22.46 | Xinhuan | dont' do that aurigena, the addons threat and acecomm dont' save any settings :) |
| 21:22.57 | aurigena | ah ok |
| 21:23.01 | aurigena | thanks |
| 21:23.04 | Antiarc | NE|Amenti: Yeah, a number of people are. We're working on tracking it down. |
| 21:23.06 | Stan_ | Antiarc: turning on ktm data input kinda solves it O.o |
| 21:23.06 | nadas | NE|Amenti: it's a known issue and it's being worked on |
| 21:23.06 | Xinhuan | Antiarc, /who my name |
| 21:23.07 | aurigena | well i backed it up |
| 21:23.15 | NE|Amenti | Great, thankyou |
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| 21:23.29 | Flareon | Yeh just to confirm what I said, the dump gives loads of data in combat which from what I can tell appears to be correct. It changes with time in combat etc too, but none of it appears on the GUI. |
| 21:24.00 | hypetech | <3 Icy Veins |
| 21:24.05 | Flareon | and I don't have all classes disabled :p |
| 21:24.16 | Flareon | but that would seem to be a likely bug perhaps? |
| 21:24.37 | NE|Amenti | Antiarc, is there any way for a quick primitive fix just so my raid stops nagging :P? |
| 21:24.54 | Antiarc | NE|Amenti: Not that I know of right now. I'm trying to track down the issue at the moment. |
| 21:24.55 | nadas | NE|Amenti: enable publishing/showing ktm data |
| 21:24.58 | Antiarc | I'll let you know as soon as I do. |
| 21:25.09 | NE|Amenti | ok i wont bother you then, great work! |
| 21:25.19 | nadas | not perfect but better than nothing |
| 21:25.38 | Antiarc | NE|Amenti: Sorry about it breaking :( |
| 21:26.21 | NE|Amenti | no worries man |
| 21:26.36 | Xinhuan | we'll hopefully fix it within the next few hours |
| 21:26.46 | KivinSan | local VERSION = tonumber(("$Revision: 57474 $"):match("%d+")) <-- what do i key into my code page to get a revision number stamped like that |
| 21:26.52 | NE|Amenti | i love the effort you put in it. anyone really nagging about it should think. its not like we are paying for it |
| 21:26.57 | FtH|Daemona | hmmm WeGame.com doesnt like 1680x1050 :( |
| 21:27.00 | KivinSan | $Rev$? |
| 21:27.05 | Xinhuan | NE|Amenti are you in combat right now? |
| 21:27.10 | NE|Amenti | yes |
| 21:27.11 | *** join/#wowace zac (n=zac@179.59.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 21:27.13 | NE|Amenti | :p |
| 21:27.14 | Xinhuan | /run AceLibrary("Threat-1.0"):DumpThreatTable() |
| 21:27.17 | Arrowmaster | KivinSan: set svn:keywords to Rev |
| 21:27.17 | Xinhuan | run that macro |
| 21:27.24 | Xinhuan | and see if anything shows up while you're in combat |
| 21:27.25 | KivinSan | Arrowmaster: thank you |
| 21:27.35 | RaydenUni | in pitbull can you activate and deactivate raid groups independantly? |
| 21:28.13 | hypetech | yes rayden |
| 21:28.17 | hypetech | it's in the filter section |
| 21:28.24 | hypetech | you can filter by group number |
| 21:28.32 | NE|Amenti | yes, Xinhuan, i get a list of people on the threatlist with all kinds of numbers |
| 21:28.36 | RaydenUni | k gimme a minute wow just froze |
| 21:28.39 | Xinhuan | how long is this list |
| 21:28.44 | Xinhuan | 10 people? |
| 21:29.00 | Xinhuan | you should see 10 lines if there are 10 ppl in your kara raid |
| 21:29.05 | Xinhuan | if everyone is in combat that is |
| 21:29.16 | Flareon | Sounds like you have the same issue as me Amenti. |
| 21:29.24 | NE|Amenti | 13 ppl |
| 21:29.32 | Xinhuan | so there are 3 pets in the raid too? |
| 21:29.32 | NE|Amenti | but its a bt raid |
| 21:29.34 | NE|Amenti | not a kara raid |
| 21:29.36 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 21:29.40 | NE|Amenti | :P |
| 21:29.47 | Xinhuan | ok let me change that |
| 21:29.48 | RaydenUni | i found it |
| 21:29.50 | Xinhuan | did the /run AceLibrary("Threat-1.0"):DumpThreatTable() |
| 21:29.50 | KivinSan | Arrowmaster: could you be more specific? I'm using tsvn |
| 21:29.59 | Xinhuan | macro show up as many lines of data |
| 21:30.01 | Arrowmaster | ive never used tsvn |
| 21:30.02 | Antiarc | Someone else you might try |
| 21:30.03 | Xinhuan | as the number of people in combat? |
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| 21:30.17 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.19 | NE|Amenti | most are afk, so i think so |
| 21:30.26 | vossi | hah |
| 21:30.31 | NE|Amenti | :P |
| 21:30.35 | vossi | with that I see someone who is not displayed by Omen also |
| 21:30.54 | NE|Amenti | the thing is, i see everyone on my omen, exept the palatank |
| 21:30.55 | NE|Amenti | even myself |
| 21:31.02 | NE|Amenti | but the rest doesnt see me, or the pala tank |
| 21:31.12 | Xinhuan | from what the data suggests, Threat is sending/receiving data correctly, but omen is choosing not to show them |
| 21:31.25 | vossi | well then I'd see 25 people not 3 |
| 21:31.47 | vossi | got at least 20 in combat and with threat against the mob - 3 in the dump - 2 on display |
| 21:31.59 | NE|Amenti | lemme run that one aswell Antiarc. |
| 21:32.32 | Flareon | just run that command on Shade of Aran |
| 21:32.45 | Flareon | what am I looking for? |
| 21:33.02 | Flareon | (within the chatfram) |
| 21:33.09 | vossi | number of people displayed |
| 21:33.11 | Antiarc | Any errors/ warnings, etc |
| 21:33.15 | NE|Amenti | nop |
| 21:33.16 | NE|Amenti | nothing there |
| 21:33.24 | NE|Amenti | Gonna go kill shahraz now, anything you want me to do? |
| 21:33.25 | vossi | for me neither |
| 21:33.35 | Flareon | various settings of blobal threat offset for different mobs |
| 21:33.46 | NE|Amenti | im tanking the bitch :> |
| 21:33.50 | Antiarc | Downgrading AceComm will -probably- work for now |
| 21:34.00 | Flareon | something about a Shadowfiend |
| 21:34.14 | Xinhuan | not if they use embeeded and updated more than one copy of acecomm |
| 21:34.15 | Flareon | nothing much really |
| 21:34.41 | RaydenUni | k pitbull question with auras. i want both to be on the right side of the frame which i did. i want the left of this "buff area" to be buff and the right to be debuff. now i want to change the width of this area. how do i do that? |
| 21:35.24 | NivFreak | has anyone added readycheck indicators to pitbull yet? ;) |
| 21:36.33 | vossi | if i use the Ace2 package from yesterday and Omen aswell from lets say yesterday .. it all should be happy sunshine then? :) |
| 21:36.53 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 21:36.56 | Xinhuan | it shuld |
| 21:37.25 | Xinhuan | http://files.wowace.com/Omen |
| 21:37.28 | NivFreak | is there I something I should know before I raid tonight? hehe |
| 21:37.37 | Xinhuan | http://files.wowace.com/Threat-1.0 |
| 21:37.47 | RaydenUni | as far as what NivFreak ? |
| 21:37.53 | aurigena | do not upgrade omen :o |
| 21:38.16 | NivFreak | really? |
| 21:38.17 | NivFreak | ouch |
| 21:38.53 | Flareon | funny thing is, I had this problem with the old version |
| 21:38.56 | Arrowmaster | more like dont upgrade anything |
| 21:39.04 | Flareon | didn't update it today until I discovered omen wasn't working |
| 21:39.04 | NivFreak | I upgraded everything last night |
| 21:39.05 | RaydenUni | anyone on the debuff location? |
| 21:39.08 | NivFreak | had a couple threadlib errors |
| 21:39.11 | NivFreak | threat |
| 21:39.14 | Flareon | and it wasn't working in the same way the new one doesn't |
| 21:40.52 | nadas | heh, RoS without threat meters is fun |
| 21:41.01 | Flareon | lol. |
| 21:41.04 | aurigena | yes @ nads |
| 21:41.12 | RaydenUni | wait, in pitbull. what is Raid Targets? |
| 21:41.18 | nadas | it worked, but people are whining :) |
| 21:41.19 | RaydenUni | oh nevermind |
| 21:41.21 | RaydenUni | not raid icons |
| 21:41.22 | Stan_ | nadas: same here atm :P |
| 21:41.25 | RaydenUni | just the targets of raid members |
| 21:41.25 | RaydenUni | boo |
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| 21:42.04 | Xinhuan | you can still "estimate" your threat based on damage meters |
| 21:42.30 | nadas | i don't use dmg meters. i'm addicted to wws :) |
| 21:42.43 | vossi | our MT and me tried it - old Ace2 - old Omen |
| 21:42.46 | vossi | no luck :( |
| 21:43.02 | nadas | it's ok though, he died first go anyway |
| 21:43.03 | aurigena | hm |
| 21:44.13 | nadas | welltimed vanish and it's hard to pull aggro anyway ;) |
| 21:44.44 | aurigena | well our mt is like 700 tps :( |
| 21:44.57 | aurigena | hard time autoshooting :< |
| 21:45.04 | nadas | :s |
| 21:45.36 | vossi | I'll just wait now .. all that testing without a clue about internals sucks :( |
| 21:45.45 | aurigena | :( |
| 21:46.46 | nadas | heh, this patch turned all our mages into noobs |
| 21:46.50 | Antiarc | rofl |
| 21:47.00 | Antiarc | It's definitely an AceComm issue |
| 21:47.00 | Flareon | right it just started working.... |
| 21:47.10 | nadas | massive AE on pre-shahraz trash, then ice block |
| 21:47.16 | RaydenUni | why does adjusting my interface give me so much pleasure? |
| 21:47.29 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 21:47.34 | sag_ich_nicht | /cast Dire Bear Form |
| 21:47.43 | sag_ich_nicht | should take you out of bear form while in it |
| 21:47.44 | sag_ich_nicht | right? |
| 21:47.58 | nadas | Antiarc: you can always wait for someone else to track it then :) |
| 21:47.58 | genetik- | Antiarc: only two revisions to acecomm in the past 24 hours |
| 21:48.06 | Flareon | I just played around with enabling/disabling classes to show up, and did a little bit of the same manually in the variable Lua |
| 21:48.09 | Antiarc | genetik-: Yeah, we're looking at 'em :) |
| 21:48.09 | Flareon | relogged |
| 21:48.11 | Flareon | and it works |
| 21:48.13 | Antiarc | nadas: Hehe, never! :P |
| 21:48.20 | Antiarc | Flareon: Wait, what did you do? |
| 21:48.45 | Flareon | unticked all classes, closed the menu, reticked em (old bug with many addons) |
| 21:48.50 | Flareon | then |
| 21:48.56 | Flareon | that didn't -seem- to work |
| 21:49.00 | xyu` | does grid show the new ready check stuff yet? |
| 21:49.00 | Flareon | unticked rogue |
| 21:49.01 | SunTsu | sag_ich_nicht: /cancelstance would be better |
| 21:49.21 | Flareon | logged out and had a look at the file, noted rogue as disabled with no entries for any other classes, changed it to true |
| 21:49.25 | Flareon | logged in |
| 21:49.25 | aurigena | hm i rolled back omen to several versions now |
| 21:49.26 | Flareon | and it's fine |
| 21:49.38 | sag_ich_nicht | SunTsu: hm k |
| 21:49.47 | aurigena | the problem does occur with every version 55025 and above, even with no addons else enabled oO |
| 21:50.16 | Aeyan | Mmm... world server down. |
| 21:50.32 | xyu` | way to go |
| 21:50.34 | xyu` | break your server |
| 21:51.57 | nadas | aurigena: did you roll acecomm bac too? |
| 21:52.03 | nadas | back* |
| 21:52.15 | NE|Amenti | how do you roll back acecomm? |
| 21:52.16 | aurigena | i dont have acecomm separately installed |
| 21:52.22 | nadas | ah |
| 21:52.38 | NE|Amenti | i never installed it either afaik ;o |
| 21:53.09 | nadas | Antiarc: what happens when LibRockComm is installed? |
| 21:53.16 | nadas | which lib has priority? |
| 21:53.47 | *** join/#wowace Batos (n=Batos@193.69.144.170) |
| 21:54.09 | nadas | not that that one had any changes lately |
| 21:54.34 | sb_ | [Ammo]: ready check close button doesnt work |
| 21:55.10 | aurigena | hm i definitely do not encounter the problem when i disable some of my addons (this works only for the old version of omen, not for the latest one) |
| 21:55.43 | nevcairiel | sb_: works for me |
| 21:55.58 | nadas | aurigena: that probably means you disabled some addon with newer embeds |
| 21:56.08 | sb_ | mhh - auto-close when ready check is finished works - but cant close it by clicking the button |
| 21:56.14 | aurigena | probably - im not into that stuff ^^ |
| 21:56.39 | NE|Amenti | so how do i downgrade acecomm :>? |
| 21:56.49 | aurigena | well ill better wait for a fix too cause im not really helping i guess ^^ great job guys ill just idle here for a while |
| 21:56.56 | NE|Amenti | never heard of it^^ |
| 21:57.31 | NE|Amenti | and i cant find it in the list either ;o |
| 21:58.17 | CIA-4 | 03antiarc * r58147 10Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: Ace2 - Revert changes to islist; add upper bound check for islist so that hash tables that happen to have small numeric keys don't register as lists. |
| 21:58.26 | nadas | it's embedded with most of your addons if you don't run them separately so quite difficult to downgrade |
| 21:58.55 | Ellipsis | yay, another reason embedded libs suck |
| 21:59.15 | nadas | yeah, i always preferred running them standalone for this reason :) |
| 22:01.51 | vossi | this sounds like a fix! |
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| 22:01.54 | vossi | i hope it is =) |
| 22:01.54 | NE|Amenti | Antiarc, is that the 'fix' ? |
| 22:02.02 | Xinhuan | not a full fix NE|Amenti |
| 22:02.09 | Xinhuan | but yes, its a temporary fix |
| 22:02.09 | NE|Amenti | temp fix then |
| 22:02.23 | NE|Amenti | Ah ok, do i get this update from the wowaceupdater or do i download this manually |
| 22:02.26 | Xinhuan | i'm with Antiarc on vent working it out |
| 22:02.39 | Ellipsis | do you guys need more help testing? |
| 22:02.41 | nadas | NE|Amenti: it's on wau in a minute or so |
| 22:02.48 | Xinhuan | uh, within a maximum of 20 minutes, the updatse will go live on files.wowace.com |
| 22:02.54 | vossi | also if used as embedded? |
| 22:02.55 | Xinhuan | you can then either use WAU |
| 22:02.59 | Xinhuan | or just download directly |
| 22:03.05 | Xinhuan | they both download from the same place |
| 22:03.07 | Xinhuan | yeah same vossi |
| 22:03.21 | vossi | cant wait to let the raid upgrade |
| 22:03.28 | vossi | running up to gorefiend atm |
| 22:03.46 | Xinhuan | meanwhile we'll have to figure out why the fallback table serialization code failed |
| 22:04.13 | nadas | NE|Amenti: it's there now |
| 22:04.29 | Xinhuan | it should be live now |
| 22:04.43 | CIA-4 | 03antiarc * r58148 10Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: Ace2: Re-merge changes from previous revision |
| 22:04.46 | NE|Amenti | ok, it comes with the new omen right? |
| 22:04.50 | Xinhuan | so you can update in 3 ways - update ace2, update omen, or update threat-1.0 |
| 22:04.58 | nadas | haha |
| 22:05.03 | Xinhuan | no wait, updating threat-1.0 wouldn't work |
| 22:05.04 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 22:05.10 | NE|Amenti | ^^ |
| 22:05.21 | Xinhuan | anyway, just tell them to reupdate using whatever method they always do |
| 22:05.22 | NE|Amenti | lemme close wow, i have enough threat on this mob so it doesnt matter:p |
| 22:05.27 | Antiarc | rofl |
| 22:05.28 | NeoTron | aha |
| 22:05.48 | NE|Amenti | thanks :) |
| 22:05.48 | NeoTron | DrDamage only calculates with haste rating if you have the option to manually add spell dmg to the calc |
| 22:05.51 | NeoTron | nice bugg |
| 22:06.23 | NeoTron | ah the else statement is broken |
| 22:07.08 | Zhinjio | hey Xinhuan |
| 22:07.12 | Xinhuan | hm? |
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| 22:07.47 | NE|Amenti | Antiarc, thanks, gonna try it now on council |
| 22:07.53 | nadas | works |
| 22:07.57 | NE|Amenti | and Xinhuan too |
| 22:08.02 | Flareon | +1 |
| 22:08.05 | Zhinjio | What aspect of Cartographer, do you know, makes herb/mining nodes turn into red circles when you get close, and yet this doesn't happen with other detected stuf |
| 22:08.16 | Zhinjio | is it specific to the mining/herb modules? |
| 22:08.17 | Xinhuan | its code inside _Notes |
| 22:08.17 | Antiarc | Sorry for the problems, folks |
| 22:08.22 | Xinhuan | that does that |
| 22:08.25 | sag_ich_nicht | [23:02] <Xinhuan> i'm with Antiarc on vent working it out <--! |
| 22:08.25 | Flareon | np we don't pay for it :p |
| 22:08.27 | nadas | Antiarc: not your fault anyway |
| 22:08.42 | Flareon | yeh that works fine |
| 22:09.14 | vossi | so the last change fixes it |
| 22:09.17 | vossi | last but one broke more :p |
| 22:09.42 | vossi | just let my whole raid relog to get r58147 |
| 22:09.50 | vossi | they are pissed a lil bit now I guess |
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| 22:10.22 | Flareon | ugh |
| 22:10.24 | Flareon | er |
| 22:10.31 | Xinhuan | hmm? |
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| 22:10.36 | Flareon | yeh does everyone need it? I can see like 50% of the raid |
| 22:10.46 | NE|Amenti | vossi, tell em to stfu, they should be gratefull theres sutch a great mod :D |
| 22:10.48 | Xinhuan | only if people updated |
| 22:10.49 | Flareon | and 50% still aren't using threat 1.0 or compatible |
| 22:11.09 | Antiarc | Yeah, everyone should update AceComm |
| 22:11.18 | hypetech | what mod is causing trouble? I haven't logged on yet this afternoon |
| 22:11.19 | Antiarc | The AceComm problem prevents people from transmitting their threat data |
| 22:11.20 | nadas | Flareon: everyone uses acecomm so yeah, they should update :) |
| 22:11.31 | Antiarc | Don't worry about what the version check says |
| 22:11.40 | Xinhuan | something's a bit screwy with acecomm, we can't really figure out yet |
| 22:11.43 | hypetech | ah |
| 22:11.43 | Antiarc | That data is cached and may not be right in the event of a mass in-raid upgrade |
| 22:11.50 | Antiarc | But it should work anyhow |
| 22:11.53 | Xinhuan | so we undid the changes till we work it out |
| 22:13.51 | Funkeh` | still got 10 minutes btw until the next update so you know |
| 22:13.58 | Funkeh` | so don't go rushing updating |
| 22:14.03 | Funkeh` | unless you svn it |
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| 22:14.50 | vossi | thanks for saving the day Antiarc |
| 22:14.50 | Antiarc | The second set of changes are just re-merging some cleanup code |
| 22:14.53 | Antiarc | Shouldn't break anything |
| 22:14.59 | Antiarc | Heh, thanks Xinhuan, he's done most of the work |
| 22:15.20 | Funkeh` | Xinhuan can't code, I refuse to believe it! |
| 22:15.29 | Funkeh` | Fisker-, help me out here |
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| 22:16.34 | Xinhuan | local curr = start - 1 |
| 22:16.35 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 22:17.10 | RaydenUni | i've never played an AV where we just steamrolled into the enemy base |
| 22:17.14 | RaydenUni | not fast, but just never stopped |
| 22:21.05 | NeoTron | DrDamage spell haste fix: http://ace.pastey.net/80410 |
| 22:23.32 | Flareon | should the omen fix be available on WUA? I notice the version number is the same in-game at least |
| 22:24.11 | Arrowmaster | its not an omen fix, its an acecomm fix |
| 22:24.12 | nadas | Flareon: omen isn't changed, acecomm is |
| 22:24.51 | Flareon | Yeh, I thought it was the embedded copy of acecomm though? |
| 22:24.59 | NE|Amenti | Flareon, its on wua. |
| 22:25.02 | NE|Amenti | works like a charm |
| 22:25.06 | Arrowmaster | yes but that doesnt cause the version to change |
| 22:25.29 | Flareon | granted |
| 22:26.01 | Flareon | wasn't sure that WUA would attempt to update an addon which doesn't appear to have a new version ^^ |
| 22:26.31 | NE|Amenti | i had the last build and it showed as new on my updater |
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| 22:27.06 | Funkeh` | thats because the zip file is updated when a library update is detected |
| 22:27.13 | Funkeh` | SO if you use WAU you sohuld be fine |
| 22:27.18 | Funkeh` | should* |
| 22:28.04 | aurigena | hm what am i supposed to update then on wau? |
| 22:29.36 | Funkeh` | just update as usual update all or whatever you use |
| 22:29.39 | nadas | aurigena: omen or ace, depending on whether you run embedded libs or not |
| 22:30.10 | NeoTron | ~seen Gagorian |
| 22:30.15 | purl | gagorian is currently on #wowace. Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 6h 46m 54s, last said: 'If slapping it through babble makes them shut up it's all worth it'. |
| 22:30.15 | aurigena | o_O |
| 22:32.45 | Xinhuan | why are you eyeing me in game Ellipsis |
| 22:32.50 | Ellipsis | because your gnome is sexy |
| 22:33.02 | Xinhuan | i should log back on my main lol |
| 22:33.06 | ramoz | gnomes cant be sexy |
| 22:33.15 | Ellipsis | she has pigtails |
| 22:33.18 | Ellipsis | gnome pigtails = sexy |
| 22:33.24 | NE|Amenti | wiping on council is ftw -_- |
| 22:34.14 | kebinusan | wish we were wiping on ilidari council |
| 22:34.21 | aurigena | hm seems to work |
| 22:34.22 | aurigena | nadas |
| 22:34.23 | kebinusan | instead of archimonde |
| 22:34.28 | vossi | had our first illidan try night yesterday <3 :) |
| 22:34.29 | NE|Amenti | farming them since juli, its so awesome to wipe on them rly:p |
| 22:34.54 | Xinhuan | so my guild has 4 cataclysm's edge drop in a row |
| 22:34.56 | Xinhuan | its stupid |
| 22:34.58 | kebinusan | guess thats a lil different |
| 22:34.59 | NE|Amenti | :D |
| 22:35.04 | NE|Amenti | we had about 5 in total now |
| 22:35.15 | Xinhuan | wtb caster sword instead |
| 22:35.18 | NE|Amenti | 2 mh glaives |
| 22:35.18 | Xinhuan | or is it a dagger |
| 22:35.21 | NE|Amenti | and 1 caster sword:p |
| 22:35.37 | NE|Amenti | and we still farm hyjal :D |
| 22:35.44 | kebinusan | mmm tempest of chaos |
| 22:36.01 | nadas | my guild has always been unlycky with melee drops |
| 22:36.08 | KivinSan | Anyone use TSVN and can give me some pointers on getting $Revision$ and $Date$ substitution working? |
| 22:36.09 | nadas | got 1 offhand glaive though |
| 22:36.11 | NE|Amenti | we arent |
| 22:36.22 | NE|Amenti | i got like all the sweet melee stuff :D |
| 22:36.25 | NE|Amenti | exept offhand |
| 22:36.27 | NE|Amenti | -_- |
| 22:36.29 | nadas | 20 anetheron kills before we got our first blade of infamy |
| 22:36.59 | nadas | it's not that i'm complaining |
| 22:37.05 | nadas | all i need is that mainhand glaive ;) |
| 22:37.31 | aurigena | it still shows ver55025 on the screen @ nadas, but at least now i get the message that my other raidmembers have threat1.0 etc |
| 22:37.47 | nadas | aurigena: 55025 is correct |
| 22:37.49 | Xinhuan | that's because the version on screen is Threat-1.0's version |
| 22:37.55 | aurigena | ah ok |
| 22:37.55 | Xinhuan | not Omen or AceComm |
| 22:38.02 | aurigena | ah ok |
| 22:38.15 | Xinhuan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.18 | Xinhuan | hmmmm |
| 22:38.28 | Xinhuan | i was right, the fallback code isn't working |
| 22:38.32 | aurigena | Omen r 55025 / Threat-1.0 r 58098 |
| 22:38.37 | aurigena | thats exactly what is shown |
| 22:38.57 | aurigena | but as i said it seems to work now - so you did a great job guys :) really appreciate that! |
| 22:39.03 | nadas | aurigena: threat relies on a library called AceComm which was bugged |
| 22:39.12 | nadas | so you won't see a change in omen/threat revisions |
| 22:39.16 | aurigena | ah ok |
| 22:39.43 | nadas | in fact there was never a bug in omen :) |
| 22:39.48 | charon | so ... i updated everything a few minutes ago (using python updater and svn), but now when logging in i get this: [2008/01/09 23:37:50-903-x1]: AceOO-2.0-38641 (oRA2):734: AceComm-2.0: AceComm-2.0 requires AceEvent-2.0 |
| 22:39.52 | charon | what am i doing wrong? :( |
| 22:39.52 | Antiarc | Well, there is one somewhere |
| 22:40.02 | Antiarc | It manages to set 1.#INF threat somewhere |
| 22:40.05 | Antiarc | But we have no idea where |
| 22:40.08 | nadas | hmm |
| 22:40.10 | Antiarc | But AceComm chokes hard on that |
| 22:40.13 | Antiarc | So it was two bugs |
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| 22:40.31 | Xinhuan | we'll probably be seeing some 1.#INF reports soon |
| 22:40.40 | nadas | so threat bugs and acecomm lacked error handling :) |
| 22:40.48 | Antiarc | Correct |
| 22:40.51 | Xinhuan | you didn't remove the error, just throw errors earlier before it reached acecomm this time |
| 22:40.59 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: Yup. That's what I'm hoping |
| 22:41.24 | Xinhuan | ok antiarc, you see that /run XinAceTest:SendProfile({[234] = 123, [243] = 456, ["\234\21\58"] = 12}, nil) |
| 22:41.32 | Xinhuan | with the islist code, it receives the table fine |
| 22:41.41 | Xinhuan | without the islist code, it receives an integer: 1 |
| 22:42.22 | Xinhuan | so something is screwy |
| 22:43.36 | charon | nobody? |
| 22:43.57 | Xinhuan | what did you update charon |
| 22:43.59 | Ellipsis | charon: some addon's got an embedding/load order issue somewhere |
| 22:44.10 | |Pixel| | hmm |
| 22:44.21 | |Pixel| | where could I submit new item ids for autobar ? :) |
| 22:44.22 | charon | the whole thing, all addons embedded, some updated via SVN some via wowace, but they're all up to speed now |
| 22:44.28 | NeoTron | we haven't seem tempest of chaos yet |
| 22:44.41 | NeoTron | twice in a row (out of 3 kills) we got leather and cloth dps chests of archi |
| 22:45.16 | charon | oh there's a second error |
| 22:45.18 | charon | [2008/01/09 23:37:56-903-x1]: CooldownTimers2\CooldownTimers2.lua:240: attempt to call method 'SetCommPrefix' (a nil value) |
| 22:45.22 | nadas | NeoTron: we had kaz'rogal drop his shield 6 weeks in a row :) |
| 22:45.38 | nadas | and no one wants it |
| 22:45.47 | Xinhuan | yeah the 2nd error occured because of the 1st |
| 22:45.57 | Xinhuan | just reupdate charon |
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| 22:46.27 | charon | ah so i got unlucky and had the wrong versions... sorry to bother you |
| 22:46.34 | NE|Amenti | nadas, gief offhand! |
| 22:46.41 | NE|Amenti | been waiting for it since october |
| 22:46.42 | nadas | NE|Amenti: no! |
| 22:46.43 | Antiarc | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/08/15-minutes-of-fame-noor-the-pacifist/ |
| 22:46.46 | NE|Amenti | < |
| 22:46.48 | NE|Amenti | :< |
| 22:47.23 | nadas | i'm praying for the mainhand this week :) |
| 22:47.25 | charon | btw Antiarc, hvae you looked at my branch and/or decided if it might be trunk-worthy? |
| 22:47.31 | NE|Amenti | im praying for offhand right now -_- |
| 22:47.33 | NE|Amenti | on illidan now |
| 22:47.38 | charon | (unlike my spelling) |
| 22:47.41 | NE|Amenti | last week we cleared the place at 23:10 :p |
| 22:47.47 | nadas | think we're saving illidan for tomorrow |
| 22:47.49 | NE|Amenti | we started at 19:00 ^^ |
| 22:47.51 | nadas | getting late over here |
| 22:48.09 | Antiarc | charon: I apologize, I'm so muddled right now I don't even remember it :( |
| 22:48.21 | nadas | unless we break a speed record on council now |
| 22:48.49 | NE|Amenti | :D |
| 22:48.50 | osstia_ | Do the EU servers follow a different maintenance schedule that the US servers? |
| 22:48.51 | NeoTron | I was happy that we got Hyjal + 2 down in BT in under 4 hrs yesterday |
| 22:48.55 | NE|Amenti | coulcil zerg ftw |
| 22:48.56 | NeoTron | real chance of a BT clear today |
| 22:49.01 | NE|Amenti | sadly im tanking today |
| 22:49.02 | NE|Amenti | :< |
| 22:49.16 | Xinhuan | i reached hyjal exalted today, pretty happy ;p |
| 22:49.22 | nadas | NE|Amenti: better focus then ;) |
| 22:49.28 | nadas | elementals or illidan? |
| 22:49.36 | Stan_ | osstia_: yeah |
| 22:49.45 | [SW]Dodge | Xinhuan: never seen hyjal(as raid instanz) on live server yet :( |
| 22:49.46 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: I'm jealous |
| 22:49.50 | NE|Amenti | illidan |
| 22:50.00 | Antiarc | I'm almost hyjal exalted |
| 22:50.02 | NE|Amenti | no need to focus on that shizzle anymore rly:P |
| 22:50.10 | Antiarc | Go go human diplomacy |
| 22:50.10 | NE|Amenti | its rly boring |
| 22:50.17 | Xinhuan | antiarc: my tests show that the table deserialization code didn't even get run |
| 22:50.25 | Stan_ | I'll hit exalted soon |
| 22:50.25 | NeoTron | I'm Human and only at 13.8/21k |
| 22:50.27 | nadas | illidan is just avoiding flames and doing shield block |
| 22:50.30 | NeoTron | so quite a few more weeks |
| 22:50.30 | nadas | ;) |
| 22:50.32 | NE|Amenti | im exalted |
| 22:50.34 | Gnarfoz | osstia_: US maintenance: tuesdays. EU maintenance: wednesdays |
| 22:50.36 | Xinhuan | its a issue inside _Deserialize() |
| 22:50.38 | NE|Amenti | since.. a long time ago:p |
| 22:50.48 | NeoTron | 3-4 weeks |
| 22:50.55 | Xinhuan | i have another addon where sometimes the receiver end doesn't receive data correctly |
| 22:50.56 | charon | Antiarc: no hard feelings ;) ... thanks for the quick fix today! |
| 22:50.59 | charon | and you too Xinhuan |
| 22:51.56 | NE|Amenti | Xinhuan must be sad, hes always mentioned last for a thankyou |
| 22:51.57 | NE|Amenti | :D |
| 22:52.10 | nadas | Xinhuan: thank you! :) |
| 22:52.24 | Xinhuan | just wait till i figure this out! |
| 22:52.28 | Stan_ | NE|Amenti: because of the alphabetical order :p |
| 22:52.28 | nadas | haha |
| 22:52.31 | Stan_ | Xinhuan: we love you :D |
| 22:52.48 | NE|Amenti | ^^ |
| 22:53.13 | nadas | hmm, does ktm still exist or did it die? |
| 22:53.38 | NeoTron | it exists but I doubt many serious raiding guilds use it or at least prefers it |
| 22:53.47 | nadas | i mean, is it being updated? |
| 22:53.59 | NeoTron | just looking |
| 22:54.03 | NeoTron | mistype |
| 22:54.16 | NeoTron | I'm sure it is. I'm just looking forward to WOTLK when there will be a builtin threat meter |
| 22:54.21 | Xinhuan | there are guilds that still use KTM??? |
| 22:54.21 | NE|Amenti | i made my whole guild quit ktm when we were in SSC |
| 22:54.23 | NE|Amenti | :D |
| 22:54.29 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: I'm sure there is |
| 22:54.52 | NeoTron | exact combat logs will help too from 2.4 |
| 22:54.53 | nadas | we switched to threat/omen when it was still very much beta :) |
| 22:54.58 | nadas | best thing we ever did |
| 22:54.59 | NeoTron | but getting actual threat will be a lot nicer |
| 22:55.17 | Gnarfoz | as if we'd get that |
| 22:55.27 | Antiarc | http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165334 <----- :(((((( |
| 22:55.45 | NeoTron | guess it's a compliment to the threat meters out there - they are good enough for blizzard to provide the actual data :P |
| 22:55.50 | NeoTron | at least if they keep their word |
| 22:55.55 | Stan_ | LOL |
| 22:55.56 | Stan_ | nice |
| 22:56.30 | Gnarfoz | their word was not "actual threat" |
| 22:57.04 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: well actual or not, for it to have a value it has to be accurate |
| 22:57.23 | Gnarfoz | no, for it to be better than what we've got now it would have to be accurate ^^ |
| 22:57.29 | NeoTron | worse case we still want threat-1.0 to get TPS of the tank and such |
| 22:58.13 | NeoTron | it has to be accurate but not necessarily exact |
| 22:59.55 | NE|Amenti | god phase 2 is boring :< |
| 23:00.06 | bigzero | So what's going on with AceComm? |
| 23:00.19 | bigzero | you guys figured it out? |
| 23:01.22 | Xinhuan | reverted it, but i'm looking into the deserializer now |
| 23:01.26 | Xinhuan | there's an issue there |
| 23:01.33 | vhaarr | yeah I figured there should bne |
| 23:01.34 | vhaarr | be* |
| 23:01.37 | vhaarr | because nothing else makes sense |
| 23:01.50 | vhaarr | but I didn't really investigate, it's just what I figured |
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| 23:04.17 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 23:04.19 | Xinhuan | vhaarr |
| 23:04.31 | Xinhuan | sb[1] = string_char(id, byte_a, byte_minus) |
| 23:04.39 | Xinhuan | that got sent i think hmm |
| 23:04.51 | Xinhuan | the received string isn't stripping that header properly |
| 23:05.04 | Xinhuan | (i think) |
| 23:05.28 | Primer | Should "/cast [target=mouseover] spellname" work when mousing over a unit frame? |
| 23:05.36 | Primer | and not the character itself? |
| 23:06.16 | Xinhuan | vhaarr, as far as i can tell, sb[1] and sb[2] is where the header info is correct? |
| 23:06.28 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: yeah |
| 23:06.41 | Xinhuan | look inside function Deserialize(value, hashToText) |
| 23:06.52 | Xinhuan | value = "u" .. value -- prefix the table byte |
| 23:06.56 | bigzero | http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/1/9/f_nonamem_7cdf5c5.jpg |
| 23:07.15 | Xinhuan | that part is weird |
| 23:07.27 | vhaarr | not right now, 30min or so |
| 23:07.35 | Gnarfoz | bigzero: awsum |
| 23:07.57 | Xinhuan | because the data that is sent is not always a table |
| 23:08.23 | bigzero | Gnarfoz, waterfront property :-) |
| 23:09.24 | Xinhuan | the error is on this line |
| 23:09.25 | Xinhuan | ret = SendMessage(AceComm.prefixTextToHash[prefix], priority, distribution, person, (select(1, ...)), self.commMemoTextToHash) |
| 23:09.45 | Xinhuan | the message sent is not built into a table |
| 23:09.49 | Xinhuan | if its just a single object |
| 23:09.58 | Xinhuan | and the deserializer assumes its a table |
| 23:10.05 | Xinhuan | by prefixing the "u" |
| 23:10.42 | bigzero | so wrap everything into a table before sending? |
| 23:10.46 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 23:10.49 | Xinhuan | let me test |
| 23:11.02 | Xinhuan | its always been an issue with acecomm |
| 23:11.12 | NE|Amenti | rofl |
| 23:11.14 | NE|Amenti | guess what dropped? |
| 23:11.16 | Xinhuan | if you send only ONE object, it doesn't receive it properly |
| 23:11.18 | NE|Amenti | another main hand glaive |
| 23:11.23 | Xinhuan | but people normally send 2 objects |
| 23:11.23 | nadas | ! |
| 23:11.25 | bigzero | but why did it pop up after your changes Xinhuan? |
| 23:11.25 | NE|Amenti | 3rd |
| 23:11.26 | Xinhuan | an ID and a data |
| 23:11.27 | Stan_ | lol gratz NE|Amenti |
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| 23:11.43 | Xinhuan | because this bug only occurs if you send one data, normal addon code, authors usually send 2 or more |
| 23:11.51 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure yet, need more testing |
| 23:13.17 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: oooh damn |
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| 23:13.22 | vhaarr | -- prefix the table byte |
| 23:13.31 | exor674 | mebbe there's in the code |
| 23:13.40 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: you see, before, AceComm-2.0 ALWAYS sent a table through |
| 23:13.42 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: sec |
| 23:13.52 | Xinhuan | that's the problem, i don't think it always sends a table anymore |
| 23:13.59 | exor674 | "if (Xinhuan_made_a_random_change) then break_in_odd_ways() end" |
| 23:14.11 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: line 1506 |
| 23:14.12 | exor674 | <_< |
| 23:14.17 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: that's right, because I optimized that bit |
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| 23:14.24 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: so now it just sends a table when it has to |
| 23:14.40 | vhaarr | or hm |
| 23:14.40 | Xinhuan | i tried sending a single string to myself, it didn't seem to work |
| 23:14.45 | vhaarr | that's how I remember it at least |
| 23:14.48 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 23:14.50 | Xinhuan | brb, more testing |
| 23:14.55 | NE|Amenti | sigh |
| 23:14.59 | NE|Amenti | i want that offhand to drop damnit |
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| 23:15.02 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: so remove that prefixed table byte then and see what happens? |
| 23:15.07 | NE|Amenti | :< |
| 23:15.18 | sdouble | anyone know the status of the single pull from the auction house capability? |
| 23:15.21 | bigzero | what about when you do send a table? |
| 23:15.34 | bigzero | sdouble what? |
| 23:15.45 | vhaarr | sdouble: still disabled I recon |
| 23:16.09 | bigzero | what's single pull from the ah? |
| 23:16.12 | vhaarr | sdouble: you can be sure we'll see some auc5 changes when it's enabled |
| 23:17.22 | NE|Amenti | nn folks! |
| 23:17.25 | Xinhuan | i think i know the problem now vhaar |
| 23:17.57 | sdouble | I figured as much. thanks vhaarr |
| 23:17.58 | Xinhuan | around line 1506, the data to be sent is packed into a message[] table right? |
| 23:18.12 | Xinhuan | since this table is definitely a list |
| 23:18.17 | Xinhuan | it will always pass the islist test |
| 23:18.17 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: yeah |
| 23:18.18 | bigzero | lua> loadstring("return loadstring(\"return 5\")") |
| 23:18.19 | lua_bot | bigzero: function: 0x80cee88, |
| 23:18.27 | Xinhuan | and so you prefix a "u" on the receiving end |
| 23:18.28 | bigzero | lua> loadstring("return loadstring(\"return 5\")()")() |
| 23:18.28 | lua_bot | bigzero: 5, |
| 23:18.35 | sdouble | and bigzero, blizzard planned on giving us the ability to pull all the data from the auction house instead of having to search it page by page |
| 23:18.37 | Xinhuan | which is the islist prefix |
| 23:18.42 | sdouble | they added it once, but it crashed the client |
| 23:19.00 | Xinhuan | so by removing the islist code, the message[] table didn't get serialized as a list |
| 23:19.23 | Xinhuan | which was what the deserializer assumed |
| 23:19.24 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: right |
| 23:19.33 | bigzero | lua> loadstring("return loadstring(\"return \"a\"\")") |
| 23:19.33 | lua_bot | bigzero: nil, [string "return loadstring("return "a"")"]:1: ')' expected near 'a', |
| 23:19.47 | bigzero | lua> loadstring("return loadstring(\"return \\\"a\\\"\")") |
| 23:19.47 | lua_bot | bigzero: function: 0x80d2998, |
| 23:20.25 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: but in WHISPER or CUSTOM comms, the sent message doesn't have to be a table either |
| 23:20.35 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: so those could have been broken for a long time |
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| 23:22.03 | bigzero | lua> loadstring("return loadstring(\"return \\\"a\\\"\")()")() |
| 23:22.03 | lua_bot | bigzero: a, |
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| 23:22.16 | bigzero | ha, i didn't think that should work |
| 23:22.29 | Xinhuan | there is code to handle the prefix i think |
| 23:22.30 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: but basically this could all be fixed by just removing islist checks in the serializer again and removing the "u" prefixing in the deserializer, right? |
| 23:22.45 | Xinhuan | that doesn't work i think |
| 23:22.49 | vhaarr | why? |
| 23:23.00 | Xinhuan | a few hundred places call Deserialize |
| 23:23.15 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 23:23.18 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 23:23.19 | Xinhuan | or not |
| 23:23.26 | NivFreak | what's the mod that changes the overmodel bars |
| 23:23.35 | bigzero | i don't see why you can't wrap everything in a table and then drop a table on the other end |
| 23:23.37 | NivFreak | makes them class colored etc |
| 23:23.49 | Xinhuan | this change can't be done vhaarr, to remove the "u" prefix |
| 23:24.01 | Xinhuan | it will break compatibility and require a acecomm major version bump |
| 23:24.09 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: that doesn't make sense |
| 23:24.21 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: _Deserialize should still handle the u prefix |
| 23:24.28 | Xinhuan | because the data sent is assumed to be serialized as a list |
| 23:24.37 | vhaarr | yeah because of that prefix |
| 23:24.38 | Xinhuan | people who didn't update acecomm expects a list |
| 23:24.49 | vhaarr | but if the prefix is removed, then _Deserialize will handle it accordingly |
| 23:24.55 | vhaarr | right |
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| 23:25.22 | vhaarr | but the serializer already prefixes tables with "u", so the deserializer will handle it properly anyway |
| 23:25.35 | Xinhuan | so why did nothing break by adding an extra u? |
| 23:25.39 | bigzero | "local drunk = ..." nice variable name |
| 23:25.41 | Xinhuan | if it already had a u |
| 23:25.41 | vhaarr | with or without manually prefixing it in Deserialize |
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| 23:27.24 | vhaarr | good question <.p |
| 23:27.26 | vhaarr | :P |
| 23:27.47 | Xinhuan | vhaarr, islist simply cannot be removed, if its removed, data sent by the updated versions would not necessarily be a list, and unupdated ones would still attach a "u" and fail |
| 23:28.13 | Xinhuan | un-updated receiving end that is |
| 23:28.18 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: so look at line 1519 |
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| 23:28.39 | Xinhuan | paste that line, i have a few hundred extra debug lines in my copy lol |
| 23:29.36 | vhaarr | that's the SendAddonMessage that triggers if we're sending a CUSTOM or WHISPER comm with just one value |
| 23:29.40 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: line 15 on http://ace.pastey.net/80424 |
| 23:29.59 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: so if you test your AceComm now with a WHISPER to yourself with just one string |
| 23:30.04 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: you shouldn't get anything |
| 23:30.11 | vhaarr | and if you remove the pcall in Deserialize |
| 23:30.14 | vhaarr | you should actually error |
| 23:30.15 | vhaarr | on it |
| 23:30.18 | Xinhuan | it deserialized properly with islist vhaarr |
| 23:30.24 | vhaarr | fuck you |
| 23:30.24 | Xinhuan | if i just sent myself a single string |
| 23:30.31 | sdouble | Told. |
| 23:30.32 | Xinhuan | i just tried it ~_~ |
| 23:30.32 | vhaarr | that's impossible |
| 23:31.16 | vhaarr | :SendCommMessage("WHISPER", "Charname", "Test") |
| 23:31.19 | Ellipsis | that's computerwebs |
| 23:31.20 | vhaarr | you'll never get that "Test" |
| 23:31.29 | vhaarr | and if you remove the pcall, you'll error on that comm |
| 23:31.57 | Xinhuan | http://ace.pastey.net/80426 |
| 23:31.59 | Xinhuan | this is my test code |
| 23:32.16 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: that won't work |
| 23:32.19 | vhaarr | because you send 2 values |
| 23:32.22 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 23:32.23 | vhaarr | err |
| 23:32.25 | vhaarr | rather |
| 23:32.25 | Xinhuan | ok brb, reverting |
| 23:32.26 | vhaarr | that WILL work |
| 23:32.36 | Xinhuan | yes, yes i get you |
| 23:32.44 | CIA-4 | 03ammo * r58151 10oRA2/Leader/Ready.lua: oRA2: less erroring on readycheck close button |
| 23:32.45 | Xinhuan | i'm reverting my entire copy of acecomm |
| 23:32.48 | Xinhuan | hold on |
| 23:32.51 | vhaarr | no fuck that |
| 23:32.56 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: just remove "t2" |
| 23:33.03 | vhaarr | local success = self:SendPrioritizedCommMessage("BULK", "WHISPER", UnitName("player"), t); |
| 23:33.04 | vhaarr | and try again |
| 23:33.19 | Xinhuan | my copy currently has islist commented out with prefix "u" commented out |
| 23:33.25 | Xinhuan | what am i supposed to test? |
| 23:33.33 | Xinhuan | and with what changes |
| 23:33.38 | vhaarr | I'm saying that if you uncomment prefix "u" again |
| 23:33.45 | vhaarr | so that the deserializer works like it has for the last months |
| 23:33.53 | vhaarr | sending that string to yourself won't work |
| 23:33.54 | Cheadser | hmm Postal seems to "hang" on mails with several items attached after 2.3.2 |
| 23:34.04 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: what I'm saying is that AceComm has been broken for ages |
| 23:34.16 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: with non-table messages, since Deserialize ASSUMES it will get a list |
| 23:34.22 | Xinhuan | that's why i want to revert to a fresh acecomm that i haven't edited |
| 23:34.29 | vhaarr | okay whatever |
| 23:34.35 | vhaarr | there's nothing to test here |
| 23:34.40 | vhaarr | I've just stated you a fact |
| 23:34.45 | vhaarr | and I wanted to demonstrate |
| 23:34.48 | vhaarr | there's no need for testing |
| 23:34.51 | chiper | Cheadser: did you update it since the patch? |
| 23:36.40 | Xinhuan | /run XinAceTest:SendProfile("abcd") |
| 23:36.48 | Xinhuan | that produces (nil, nil) being printed |
| 23:36.53 | Xinhuan | when only sending one value |
| 23:36.54 | vhaarr | yeah I know |
| 23:36.58 | vhaarr | that's what I said |
| 23:36.59 | Xinhuan | so |
| 23:37.08 | Xinhuan | the else-part must also pack a message[1] table |
| 23:37.25 | vhaarr | yeah but this has been broken for a long time dude |
| 23:37.43 | testify | Ok Now I'm really confused. There's SharedMediaLib, SharedMedia-2.0, SharedMedia, and LibSharedMedia-2.0 |
| 23:37.50 | Xinhuan | between line 1518-1519 |
| 23:37.58 | testify | Which one do I use to get the extra textures for my addons? |
| 23:38.00 | Xinhuan | i'm adding these 2 lines now |
| 23:38.48 | Funkeh` | testify, try reading the description and/or looking at the code? |
| 23:39.37 | Xinhuan | vhaarr: http://ace.pastey.net/80427 |
| 23:39.40 | testify | The description for SharedMediaLib and LibSharedMedia-2.0 are the same |
| 23:39.44 | Xinhuan | i changed it to that and it works perfect now |
| 23:40.24 | testify | and it looks like one of those two is the one I'm after |
| 23:40.24 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: OH REALLY |
| 23:40.24 | Funkeh` | testify, yes well the version number somewhat gives it away |
| 23:40.24 | Xinhuan | (no duh) |
| 23:40.24 | Xinhuan | now go commit |
| 23:40.24 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: no? |
| 23:40.25 | Xinhuan | why not? |
| 23:40.40 | testify | Well LibSharedMedia-2.0 was last changed two weeks ago, and SharedMediaLib was modified 9 hours ago |
| 23:40.52 | Funkeh` | so? |
| 23:41.10 | testify | So is SharedMediaLib the most used by developed? |
| 23:41.10 | Xinhuan | the deserializer expects a islist table, that part is necessary regardless |
| 23:41.19 | Funkeh` | um, no |
| 23:41.21 | testify | err is it the most developed? |
| 23:41.50 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: yeah which is bullshit |
| 23:42.03 | Xinhuan | well you can't remove that without breaking compat |
| 23:42.17 | Xinhuan | so the ONLY fix is to add the message[1] |
| 23:42.18 | vhaarr | are you sure? |
| 23:42.20 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 23:42.21 | Funkeh` | testify, the only reason it says updated 9 hours ago is because ace was |
| 23:42.45 | Xinhuan | the deserializer on unupdated acecomm always adds a "u" whether you like it or not, so it must always serialize as a "u" |
| 23:43.05 | testify | ahh ok, the last entry in the changelog was Nov 15th |
| 23:43.12 | Xinhuan | or updated versions won't be deserialized by an updated one |
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| 23:43.22 | Xinhuan | or updated versions won't be deserialized by an un-updated one |
| 23:43.29 | CIA-4 | 03funkydude * r58152 10BigWigs/Karazhan/Netherspite.lua: BigWigs: Karazhan/Netherspite: deDE update by taalas |
| 23:43.31 | Funkeh` | testify, indeed |
| 23:44.08 | Xinhuan | also, get rid of the num*4 nonsense in the islist serializer please |
| 23:44.33 | Xinhuan | we added the k > #t check in the islist test |
| 23:44.37 | Xinhuan | so that's no longer necessary |
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| 23:47.30 | Cheadser | chiper yeah I'm using latest version of postal from files.wowace.com |
| 23:48.04 | Xinhuan | Cheadser: hang meaning stop collecting mail? |
| 23:48.14 | Cheadser | yes |
| 23:48.48 | Stan_ | I got that, too |
| 23:48.57 | Xinhuan | i'll figure something out later |
| 23:48.59 | Cheadser | says "in progress" but nothing happens.. close and reopen mail frame, then I can click it again.. doesn't help though.. have to open those mails with several attachments manually |
| 23:49.05 | Stan_ | let him finish ace2 first |
| 23:49.07 | Stan_ | plx :P |
| 23:49.15 | Cheadser | hehe yeah, nothing bad =9 |
| 23:49.20 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: and replace it with what? |
| 23:49.31 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: #v ? |
| 23:49.45 | Xinhuan | a simply num = #v is enough isn't it? |
| 23:49.50 | vhaarr | should be |
| 23:50.10 | Xinhuan | it will no longer pass the islist test if there is any key > #v |
| 23:50.21 | Xinhuan | so num = #v is good |
| 23:50.56 | Xinhuan | #v is already in a variable called n too |
| 23:50.59 | CIA-4 | 03rabbit * r58153 10Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: .AceComm-2.0: Fix CUSTOM and WHISPER messages with only one value, the deserializer expects a table in either case. Optimize list serializing a tad as well. |
| 23:51.29 | vhaarr | right, oh well |
| 23:52.22 | Xinhuan | uh quick commit an extra line |
| 23:52.26 | Xinhuan | num = n |
| 23:52.35 | Xinhuan | its necessary |
| 23:52.51 | vhaarr | right, I see |
| 23:53.24 | CIA-4 | 03rabbit * r58154 10Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: .AceComm-2.0: Bugfix. |
| 23:53.51 | vhaarr | so now I'm a bit confused, what problems does that leave |
| 23:54.01 | Xinhuan | none |
| 23:54.09 | Xinhuan | apart from the inefficiency of the whole damn thing |
| 23:54.34 | bigzero | eh, blizz fails more |
| 23:54.38 | Xinhuan | serializing numbers into bytestring, lol |
| 23:55.25 | vhaarr | fucking crap serializer |
| 23:55.33 | vhaarr | assuming table input, what the FUCK |
| 23:55.48 | Xinhuan | i assume you broke that months ago :D |
| 23:55.53 | vhaarr | I did indeed |
| 23:56.02 | vhaarr | WHISPER and CUSTOM with 1 value has been broken for a long time |
| 23:56.03 | bigzero | who wrote it? |
| 23:56.07 | vhaarr | ckk did |
| 23:56.14 | bigzero | oh boy... |
| 23:56.26 | bigzero | no woder he's not on |
| 23:56.30 | bigzero | wonder* |
| 23:56.49 | exor674 | did someone just add a murder charge to their criminal record? |
| 23:56.51 | vhaarr | well I broke it, but only because he does things that doesn't make sense |
| 23:56.55 | vhaarr | and he doesn't document |
| 23:57.09 | bigzero | so Omen/Threat are fixed? |
| 23:57.25 | Xinhuan | yes, and any addon that uses WHISPER or CUSTOM and only sending 1 value as well |
| 23:57.28 | vhaarr | threat was fixed a few hours ago, this commit did nothing for threat |
| 23:57.42 | vhaarr | since I assume threat doesn't use WHISPER *or* CUSTOM |
| 23:57.54 | bigzero | :-P |
| 23:58.08 | Xinhuan | don't hate |
| 23:58.45 | vhaarr | hey, I figured out the problem, I deserve the salute as well |
| 23:58.55 | vhaarr | (just don't mention that I caused it) |
| 23:59.02 | Xinhuan | i pointed it out before you did |
| 23:59.07 | vhaarr | no you didn't |
| 23:59.14 | vhaarr | you pointed me to the "u" prefixing |
| 23:59.18 | vhaarr | which got me thinking |
| 23:59.28 | Xinhuan | [1/10 07:06:02] <Xinhuan> vhaarr, as far as i can tell, sb[1] and sb[2] is where the header info is correct? |
| 23:59.28 | Xinhuan | [1/10 07:06:14] <@vhaarr> Xinhuan: yeah |
| 23:59.28 | bigzero | boys boys....don't argue |
| 23:59.33 | Xinhuan | look 5 lines down |
| 23:59.38 | Xinhuan | from that convo |
| 23:59.46 | Xinhuan | search for sb[1] |
