| 00:00.00 | xyu | you can "clear" the addon |
| 00:00.02 | xyu | and it'll only see who's online |
| 00:00.08 | Paene | Vulcanus: Were you still having mount detection problems? |
| 00:00.18 | NivFreak | my current server has a medium to large population |
| 00:00.19 | NivFreak | was curious about another realm |
| 00:00.21 | xyu | It'll run in the background too i believe. |
| 00:00.34 | Fin | he doesn't allow access to the data very easily as well, which I think is a big shame, and a bit off too really considering everyone else contributed it |
| 00:00.35 | NivFreak | but it takes hours to finish? |
| 00:00.39 | xyu | no |
| 00:00.46 | xyu | Maybe half an hour |
| 00:00.47 | Fin | it can take a long time |
| 00:01.01 | Xinhuan | one /who every 5 seconds, go figure |
| 00:01.03 | Fin | and it uses a lot of memory |
| 00:01.15 | Fin | I just have it enabled on my bank characters |
| 00:01.18 | xyu | just enable it when you want to do it, no need to always use it. |
| 00:01.33 | Fin | but, then you don't get such accurate data |
| 00:01.46 | xyu | he just wants to know "at the current time" |
| 00:01.52 | xyu | so it'll be accurate for what he wants. |
| 00:02.10 | Fin | actually I thought about using an account like that once - just have it sitting there running Census and reloading the UI every few minutes |
| 00:02.11 | NivFreak | yea |
| 00:02.17 | NivFreak | haha |
| 00:02.26 | Fin | you could hook the SavedVariables file into a website, have a rough estimate of who's online from outside the game |
| 00:02.51 | xyu | I don't see why wow doesn't provide this information |
| 00:02.53 | NivFreak | I'm just trying to figure out the relative size of Maiev to Frostwolf |
| 00:02.57 | xyu | I guess as a deterrant from joining over populated servers. |
| 00:03.01 | Estil | maiev oh man |
| 00:03.03 | Estil | I have a shaman there |
| 00:03.06 | Estil | isn't that the dead server :( |
| 00:03.06 | NivFreak | because I have some friends that want to transfer there |
| 00:03.09 | Ellipsis | aestil: digging through code |
| 00:03.11 | Fin | I'm sure some farmers have something like that set up, it doesn't seem that difficult |
| 00:03.17 | Kivin | Maiev, heh, that's in my battlegroup |
| 00:03.19 | NivFreak | Estil: I thought they had a mass transfer off |
| 00:03.21 | NivFreak | can't find anything |
| 00:03.26 | NivFreak | Kivin: yea, they want ezmode arena |
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| 00:03.29 | NivFreak | in whirlwind |
| 00:03.41 | Estil | lol ezmode arena :( |
| 00:03.50 | NivFreak | they have toons on lightbringer |
| 00:03.57 | NivFreak | and 2000ish rated teams |
| 00:04.04 | Fin | well, every time Census does a /who <something> and gets 49 results, it has to refine the query and do another /who |
| 00:04.04 | NivFreak | in bloodlust they can't break 1600 |
| 00:04.17 | Estil | I guess |
| 00:04.28 | NivFreak | so they want to transfer for 3 months to a whirlwind server |
| 00:04.29 | Fin | so it wastes a lot of time just figuring out what the right /who is |
| 00:04.30 | Estil | all the bg9 opponents have been difficult even at 1500s right now |
| 00:04.32 | NivFreak | do arenas |
| 00:04.33 | Estil | except Silver Hand ones |
| 00:04.33 | NivFreak | then come back |
| 00:04.40 | Fin | not that there's any alternative |
| 00:04.42 | NivFreak | haha |
| 00:04.49 | xyu | Just buy your points |
| 00:04.50 | NivFreak | My 3v has been bouncing off 1600 |
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| 00:04.57 | NivFreak | we were a bit over 1700 at the end of season 2 |
| 00:05.00 | NivFreak | with a lot less gear |
| 00:05.06 | xyu | i dont know about you but our battlegroup has many teams offering to "power" you to 2000 rating |
| 00:05.11 | NivFreak | it's been sort of frustrating |
| 00:05.14 | NivFreak | but I don't really care |
| 00:05.19 | aestil | Ellipsis: np. ty. |
| 00:05.29 | NivFreak | xyu: yea, but they want to do it themselves |
| 00:05.30 | Xinhuan | whats their 2000 rating power fee? |
| 00:05.36 | Kivin | i've never once seen arena point sellers on cenarion circle |
| 00:05.42 | NivFreak | tich has them |
| 00:05.47 | NivFreak | at least last season |
| 00:05.47 | Xinhuan | Estil, what realm are you on |
| 00:05.50 | Estil | Blackrock |
| 00:05.51 | Estil | same as you :p |
| 00:05.55 | Xinhuan | Hmm |
| 00:05.58 | Xinhuan | who are you?:o |
| 00:06.01 | Estil | <- |
| 00:06.09 | Estil | you can armory me |
| 00:06.17 | Estil | in a meanwhile |
| 00:06.18 | Xinhuan | i don't think i've ever seen you before |
| 00:06.19 | NivFreak | so I've heard people in WW say that they are coming in about 200 pts lower than last season |
| 00:06.23 | Xinhuan | you must be horde |
| 00:06.28 | NivFreak | I haven't heard much feedback from BG9 |
| 00:06.29 | Estil | yea, UD priest |
| 00:06.37 | NivFreak | but man, it seems a lot more competitive this season |
| 00:06.42 | Estil | if you get silver hand |
| 00:06.45 | Estil | consider yourself lucky |
| 00:06.45 | Xinhuan | because i keep an addon that remembers stuff of ppl i've mouseovered before |
| 00:06.46 | Estil | in BG9 |
| 00:06.57 | Xinhuan | so if you aren't in my large database, i haven't met you before |
| 00:07.12 | Ellipsis | NivFreak: but whirlwind also filled up a ton |
| 00:07.14 | Estil | I had a team with my buddies to get cheap arena points for our alts |
| 00:07.22 | Estil | we had like 50 resil tops each of us |
| 00:07.28 | Estil | and bunch of greens and 5 man blues |
| 00:07.32 | Kivin | that's what a rogue friend and i do |
| 00:07.36 | NivFreak | Ellipsis: how so? |
| 00:07.37 | Estil | for our 3's |
| 00:07.37 | Kivin | only works out to 240 pts a week |
| 00:07.47 | Estil | RMP team, and we faced epic geared out in arena set team from Silver HAnd |
| 00:07.55 | Estil | we won vs them 3 times in a row before they disappeared |
| 00:08.05 | xyu | ouch |
| 00:08.16 | NivFreak | We run Rogue/Warlock/Priest |
| 00:08.23 | NivFreak | warriors suck =/ |
| 00:08.35 | Estil | every other team owned us fast since we had crap resil and crap gears |
| 00:08.37 | xyu | warriors are number one represented pvp class in the game. |
| 00:08.42 | NivFreak | We had a 2 warrior / shaman team blow our asses up |
| 00:08.42 | Estil | we only managed to win against one bad team, and rest frmo Silver Hand |
| 00:08.44 | xyu | followed by locks, druids |
| 00:08.45 | NivFreak | and we all have at least 400 resil |
| 00:08.51 | Estil | and lost to every other team |
| 00:09.20 | Ellipsis | NivFreak: at least on my server, everyone's been complaining about all the new transfers and such |
| 00:09.21 | Pkekyo| | I'm off, school in a couple of hours...time to sleep |
| 00:09.21 | Pkekyo| | g'nite all |
| 00:09.22 | Estil | our main 3's run priest (me) warrior and a holy paladin |
| 00:09.23 | xyu | al;skfjalsjf this mage pug is making me upset :( |
| 00:09.24 | NivFreak | I need a good resto druid partner for my warrior |
| 00:09.25 | NivFreak | =/ |
| 00:09.32 | Ellipsis | and I hear it's the same in bgs |
| 00:09.33 | chiper | i've never done arenas. is it just storm in and kill each other? |
| 00:09.33 | mort_ | <- :P |
| 00:09.34 | NivFreak | I've benched him to a soak 5v5 team for now |
| 00:09.49 | NivFreak | Ellipsis: which server? |
| 00:10.00 | Estil | chiper, pretty much |
| 00:10.04 | Estil | go kill other team before they kill you |
| 00:10.09 | NivFreak | Estil: are you shadow? |
| 00:10.09 | chiper | that sounds really fucking boring |
| 00:10.19 | Estil | disc/holy |
| 00:10.26 | NivFreak | double healer eh |
| 00:10.30 | NivFreak | I hate those teams |
| 00:10.31 | Estil | yea, outlast team |
| 00:10.34 | NivFreak | gotta drain them hard |
| 00:10.36 | Estil | doesn't always work |
| 00:10.41 | xyu | i haven't seen many 4dps teams this season |
| 00:10.42 | Estil | a well geared rmp team can put an end to us very fast |
| 00:10.43 | Xinhuan | outlast teams run 3 healers |
| 00:10.45 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 00:10.50 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: not in 3s :P |
| 00:10.56 | Ellipsis | NivFreak: I'm on cenarius |
| 00:11.23 | Kivin | grr cenarius |
| 00:11.34 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 00:11.48 | Ellipsis | I know, I'm what's wrong with the world, etc. etc. |
| 00:11.54 | NivFreak | whirlwind just doesn't seem to have any good pvp servers |
| 00:11.57 | Estil | we beat most teams |
| 00:12.01 | Estil | as warr/priest/pala |
| 00:12.06 | Kivin | cenarion circle is pretty much bottom of the barrel for whirlwind pvp |
| 00:12.10 | Estil | rmp team owns us most of the time though |
| 00:12.10 | NivFreak | Maiev was the most promsing looking, and it looks fairly bad |
| 00:12.13 | Estil | they destroy me way too fast |
| 00:12.27 | Ellipsis | aestil: possible at all for you to pastey your eepanels SVs? |
| 00:12.28 | chiper | hah, wow, it took me a minute to realize that /me wasnt actually directed at me. WoW is breaking my IRC ability |
| 00:12.38 | Ellipsis | ...lol |
| 00:12.43 | Kivin | xP |
| 00:12.48 | NivFreak | RP servers seem to always fail at pvp |
| 00:12.58 | Estil | silverhand lol :D |
| 00:13.02 | NivFreak | yep |
| 00:13.02 | Xinhuan | silverhand lol |
| 00:13.05 | NivFreak | free kills |
| 00:13.10 | Kivin | we pretty much get walked all over in the BGs |
| 00:13.15 | Kivin | except in AB. I never lose AB. |
| 00:13.39 | Xinhuan | everytime some server beats a Blackrock premade, they coem to our forums and post screenshots |
| 00:13.43 | Xinhuan | its hilariously funny |
| 00:14.06 | Kivin | I've beat Uther and Vashj premades :P |
| 00:14.08 | Kivin | with pickups |
| 00:14.17 | NivFreak | I have friends on uther |
| 00:14.20 | NivFreak | and a low level mage |
| 00:14.21 | Estil | pve server premades are usually bad too |
| 00:14.23 | Estil | not as bad as rp server |
| 00:14.26 | Estil | but pretty bad regardless |
| 00:14.31 | Kivin | we just don't have premades. |
| 00:14.38 | Kivin | i've seen like... 3 premades in 2 months |
| 00:14.44 | Estil | lol Kivin :( |
| 00:14.45 | NivFreak | they just need to fix the freaking AV issues in BG9 |
| 00:14.47 | Estil | should see Blackrock trade channel |
| 00:14.49 | NivFreak | it's driving me nuts |
| 00:14.58 | Estil | there's an advert for a premade BG group every 10 sec |
| 00:15.04 | Kivin | :( |
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| 00:15.18 | NivFreak | frostwolf is more or less the same now days |
| 00:15.26 | NivFreak | since AV is impossible for queue times |
| 00:15.46 | Estil | I think it's not so AV has an issue |
| 00:15.50 | Estil | alliance just don't want to queue AV |
| 00:16.01 | NivFreak | that's my point |
| 00:16.12 | NivFreak | they need to do something to resolve that |
| 00:16.13 | chiper | I have no idea wtf you guys are talking about, I get into AV games almost instantly |
| 00:16.18 | Estil | Niv |
| 00:16.22 | Estil | short of giving Alliance almost free wins |
| 00:16.24 | NivFreak | I wonder how banning alliance AFKers will help :) |
| 00:16.25 | Estil | Alliance won't queue AV |
| 00:16.40 | NivFreak | Estil: give a base of 200 honor per game then |
| 00:16.42 | NivFreak | both sides |
| 00:16.49 | NivFreak | loss == 200 honor |
| 00:16.53 | NivFreak | win == 850 honor |
| 00:16.56 | Kivin | the stupid slobs have got themselves convinced that AV is all stacked against them |
| 00:17.01 | Ellipsis | oh boy, even more reason for people to afk |
| 00:17.06 | Estil | nah Ellipsis |
| 00:17.08 | NivFreak | Ellipsis: and now they get banned for it |
| 00:17.08 | NivFreak | :) |
| 00:17.12 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 00:17.12 | Estil | AFKing is very dangerous now |
| 00:17.17 | Ellipsis | you can't ban stupidity |
| 00:17.19 | NivFreak | they are banning a LOT of people |
| 00:17.28 | Ellipsis | people will just come up with better ways to cheat |
| 00:17.33 | NivFreak | whatever |
| 00:17.34 | Kivin | any literature about this? that says it's against the rules? |
| 00:17.35 | chiper | I'm alliance and have won pretty much every AV I've done over the past week :/ |
| 00:17.39 | NivFreak | it's an evolving thing |
| 00:17.43 | Estil | Kivin: they now do one of the following: |
| 00:17.45 | NivFreak | chiper: what BG? |
| 00:17.55 | Estil | they either suspend you, or take away all your Honor and Honor-earned gears |
| 00:17.56 | NivFreak | btw |
| 00:17.56 | chiper | dunno, I'm on Khaz Modan |
| 00:18.22 | NivFreak | Estil: or both |
| 00:18.25 | Estil | yep |
| 00:18.33 | Estil | chiper: you're in the good battlegroup for alliance |
| 00:18.33 | Xinhuan | i afk all the time. |
| 00:18.37 | Xinhuan | in Ironforge :D |
| 00:18.40 | chiper | heh |
| 00:18.45 | Estil | there's like one battlegroup where Alliance miraculously wins every single AV |
| 00:18.46 | NivFreak | vengeance |
| 00:18.51 | Estil | and everywhere else Alliance loses like no tomorrow |
| 00:18.53 | NivFreak | Estil: whirlwind? |
| 00:18.57 | NivFreak | :P |
| 00:19.01 | Kivin | that'd be ww |
| 00:19.06 | NivFreak | they race AV on WW |
| 00:19.27 | Kivin | indeed |
| 00:19.35 | Kivin | about one in five or one in seven is a war of attrition |
| 00:19.36 | Estil | imo they should make it so that in order to be able to attack the NPCs and towers in the base |
| 00:19.41 | Estil | you have to have all previous GYs |
| 00:19.42 | masanbol | i'm on Frostmane, we seem to win about half the time |
| 00:20.04 | Xinhuan | the game will last forever |
| 00:20.06 | Xinhuan | if you did that |
| 00:20.11 | Estil | I'll take that |
| 00:20.11 | Xinhuan | who remembers AVs that last 5 days? |
| 00:20.12 | chiper | what i've been told about our battlegroup is that the alliance are more PvE geared and the horde are more PvP, so in AV we trounce on all the PvE objectives |
| 00:20.13 | Estil | along with huge honor boost |
| 00:20.31 | Xinhuan | who remembers AVs that last 5 days and give 0 honor cos there is no honor left to gain with 0 objectives left but to kill the general? |
| 00:20.42 | chiper | unless the horde goes pure defense, then it's a fucking hour long turtling until everyone leaves |
| 00:20.56 | masanbol | reinforcements ftw |
| 00:21.21 | Kivin | on whirlwind, the alliance are renoun for turtles |
| 00:21.31 | Kivin | the horde are famous for hopelessly not defending anything |
| 00:21.39 | chiper | yeah, reinforcements has helped alliviate it some, tho now the long runs get both sides retaking the mines over and over |
| 00:21.43 | Xinhuan | btw, AV honor weekend is stupid -- this is because you get 84 extra honor per AV game on a weekend |
| 00:21.46 | Estil | nah chiper |
| 00:21.47 | Estil | not possible |
| 00:21.54 | Estil | deaths happen far faster than reinforcement increase fro mines |
| 00:21.59 | Xinhuan | doesn't matter if you win or lose, you just get exactly 84 honor more than you would otherwise get |
| 00:22.09 | chiper | Estil: oh I'm not saying it holds it perminantly |
| 00:22.16 | Xinhuan | so 10 games of AV == 840 more honor == 10 hours LOLz |
| 00:22.20 | chiper | just draws it out painfully |
| 00:22.24 | Estil | they should re-add all the fun stuff that were in the AV |
| 00:22.31 | Estil | I remember seeing the goblin lumberjack machine thing |
| 00:22.33 | Estil | in old school AV |
| 00:22.38 | Estil | and went "wow I want one too" |
| 00:22.48 | Kivin | should just take honor out of av completely |
| 00:22.50 | Xinhuan | Korrak the Rager! |
| 00:22.53 | NivFreak | in bloodlust |
| 00:22.59 | NivFreak | we leave alliance nothing |
| 00:23.01 | NivFreak | nothing at all |
| 00:23.04 | NivFreak | 0 points |
| 00:23.13 | chiper | it is a shame that nobody does the turnins any more |
| 00:23.20 | NivFreak | I do when I'm defending |
| 00:23.29 | NivFreak | or recall to hold off people |
| 00:23.29 | Xinhuan | i hate you NivFreak |
| 00:23.29 | Estil | we should make it so that some of the honor you get in game comes frmo turnins |
| 00:23.32 | Xinhuan | go away :) |
| 00:23.44 | NivFreak | but I haven't played an AV game since our queues went over 2 hours |
| 00:23.47 | Estil | like successfully summoning ivus or lok'holar gives the team like 150 honor |
| 00:23.47 | chiper | Estil: that wouldnt make people do it :/ |
| 00:24.04 | Xinhuan | Estil: that current gives 20.8 honor :D |
| 00:24.05 | Vulcanus | they should make it so that you have to lose a certain amount of reinforcements before your general becomes attackable |
| 00:24.07 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: it's not my choice |
| 00:24.09 | NivFreak | that's how it is |
| 00:24.18 | NivFreak | you have to understand how horde on BG9 think |
| 00:24.24 | NivFreak | we put up with 20+ AFKers per AV Game |
| 00:24.28 | NivFreak | got steamrolled by 40 alliance |
| 00:24.30 | NivFreak | for MONTHS |
| 00:24.34 | Xinhuan | did you see that other thread the other day "it is counterproductive to report afk players" |
| 00:24.37 | NivFreak | suddenly they remove our AFKers |
| 00:24.39 | Xinhuan | the OP posted that |
| 00:24.44 | NivFreak | and it's like christmas |
| 00:24.44 | Xinhuan | by reporting AFk ppl |
| 00:24.58 | NivFreak | AV is so much fun |
| 00:25.02 | NivFreak | and the honor rate is good |
| 00:25.07 | Xinhuan | these afk ppl take twice as long to get their honor quota |
| 00:25.17 | Xinhuan | so because of that , you get more afkers every game |
| 00:25.19 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 00:25.25 | Xinhuan | and it sparked a 25 page reply |
| 00:25.30 | NivFreak | haha |
| 00:25.37 | NivFreak | I'm just glad they are banning for it |
| 00:25.45 | NivFreak | I'll admit I afk'd back before it was a huge problem |
| 00:25.47 | Estil | anyway WTB fun AV |
| 00:25.52 | NivFreak | before I realized the impact |
| 00:25.56 | NivFreak | and it spread like wildfire |
| 00:26.21 | Vulcanus | fun AV is winning/losing by reinforcements |
| 00:26.22 | NivFreak | how many AFKers does alliance have in bloodlust now? |
| 00:26.24 | Vulcanus | aka PvP |
| 00:26.34 | Xinhuan | about 10+ |
| 00:26.36 | Xinhuan | per av |
| 00:26.41 | NivFreak | Vulcanus: people go to AV for high honor rates though, so that causes some conflict |
| 00:26.53 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: I'd love to know if it gets better |
| 00:26.59 | Xinhuan | i've never gone in av since ppl got the warning emails though |
| 00:27.01 | NivFreak | I really want 40 vs 40 trying |
| 00:27.01 | Vulcanus | I know, but is it not possible to cap towers and then go pvp? :P |
| 00:27.04 | NivFreak | not just rolling over |
| 00:27.05 | Xinhuan | so i dont know the situation now |
| 00:27.08 | *** join/#wowace ringleron (n=Administ@216.116.110.62) |
| 00:27.18 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: queue some up and let me know how it's going :) |
| 00:27.26 | NivFreak | I don't have a 70 on the alliance side in bloodlust |
| 00:27.33 | NivFreak | only a 42 |
| 00:27.34 | Estil | now only if you could be on a team with Alliance-queue time with Horde-team for AV |
| 00:27.35 | Xinhuan | err no, i don't think i care enough :D |
| 00:27.40 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: awww |
| 00:27.55 | NivFreak | so this would freak the RP Kids out |
| 00:28.02 | NivFreak | but I think you should randomly assign players to a side |
| 00:28.03 | Xinhuan | plus i would just end up afking myself since i do addon coding |
| 00:28.06 | NivFreak | from either faction |
| 00:28.13 | NivFreak | allow them to talk during the game |
| 00:28.27 | Estil | someone said something good idea about new BG |
| 00:28.29 | NivFreak | do that for like 3 months |
| 00:28.38 | NivFreak | and see what balance issues come out of it |
| 00:28.40 | Estil | it should be like a non-Horde/Alliance faction vs faction, ie) Scryer vs. Aldor |
| 00:28.59 | NivFreak | Estil: the problem is it's a perminate association |
| 00:29.02 | Xinhuan | if blizzard did that, all the RP servers and lore players will cry |
| 00:29.07 | NivFreak | Xinhuan: yep |
| 00:29.08 | Estil | lollore imo |
| 00:29.12 | NivFreak | fuck |
| 00:29.14 | NivFreak | just do it in bloodlust |
| 00:29.17 | NivFreak | we don't care about our RPers |
| 00:29.23 | NivFreak | :) |
| 00:30.11 | Estil | or a BG where goblins run |
| 00:30.17 | Estil | and they let you choose a Red or Blue team |
| 00:30.22 | Estil | without you knowing who's in it |
| 00:30.38 | Estil | and mix up Alliance and Horde all in the name of money (for the goblins) |
| 00:30.48 | Ellipsis | why do people in trade chat always suffer from Creative Capitalization issues? |
| 00:30.57 | NeoTron | the complete lack of faction to faction communication should be fixed too really |
| 00:31.01 | Ellipsis | I just saw someone looking for an "EnChanter" |
| 00:31.11 | NeoTron | it makes no sense since, obviously, a lot of cross-faction communcation take place |
| 00:31.21 | NivFreak | yep |
| 00:31.25 | NeoTron | should perhaps be something you LEARN but still |
| 00:31.29 | Kivin | Ellipsis: There was a chap looking for an Inchanter this morning |
| 00:31.33 | NivFreak | but they just want to stop the 12 year olds from flaming |
| 00:31.35 | NivFreak | and getting reported |
| 00:31.35 | NeoTron | even during normal questing you talk cross-faction with npc's |
| 00:31.37 | NivFreak | and having GM review it |
| 00:31.39 | NivFreak | and ban them |
| 00:31.49 | NeoTron | yeah but I'd rather have the 12 yo banned :P |
| 00:31.56 | NivFreak | it's managing thier supportability |
| 00:31.57 | NivFreak | :) |
| 00:32.00 | chiper | estil: red vs blue! I LOVE IT! |
| 00:32.07 | CIA-4 | 03sayclub * r58577 10GridStatusHealer/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 00:32.07 | CIA-4 | GridStatusHealer: |
| 00:32.07 | CIA-4 | - koKR Update |
| 00:32.15 | Estil | alas blizz won't let it happen |
| 00:32.22 | NivFreak | oh |
| 00:32.26 | NivFreak | so who uses grid in here? |
| 00:32.39 | NivFreak | I can't figure out how to make it show pets |
| 00:32.47 | NeoTron | it doesn't afaik |
| 00:33.04 | NeoTron | unless there's some grid pet extension I failed to find when I last looked |
| 00:33.07 | chiper | I had a friend that wrote a translation addon once, but he refused to release it because then blizzard would change the obsofucation algorythms |
| 00:33.24 | Ellipsis | was the pet support ever put into the trunk? |
| 00:33.32 | Ellipsis | last I heard it was still in branches |
| 00:33.34 | Kivin | there's been translation addons since pretty much day 1 |
| 00:34.54 | NeoTron | back in the good old day, forsaken spoke common |
| 00:36.14 | NivFreak | Ellipsis: hrmm, I guess I'll look then |
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| 00:36.20 | NivFreak | I really like having pets in my frames |
| 00:36.44 | NivFreak | I'm still not 100% sure I won't go back to healbot |
| 00:36.44 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 00:37.02 | NivFreak | the one feature of grid that I really like is the debuff icons |
| 00:37.14 | NivFreak | the rest of it isn't any better than healbot imo |
| 00:37.33 | NivFreak | and I really like healbot's smartbuffing for lazy OOC buffing |
| 00:37.47 | chiper | I just use smartdebuff |
| 00:37.51 | chiper | erm, smartbuff |
| 00:37.55 | chiper | both, actually |
| 00:38.09 | NivFreak | smartbuff is the one that you just bind to your scrollwheel right? |
| 00:38.14 | chiper | yeah |
| 00:38.18 | NivFreak | I need to try that out still |
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| 00:38.32 | NivFreak | does it have a visual indicator? |
| 00:38.35 | chiper | pops up text to tell you that someone needs a buff and you just hit a button |
| 00:38.38 | NivFreak | ah |
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| 00:38.55 | NivFreak | as for smart debuff |
| 00:39.03 | NivFreak | I'm trying to get away from 3 sets of raid frames |
| 00:39.07 | chiper | heh |
| 00:39.18 | NivFreak | I was using pitbull+healbot+decursive |
| 00:39.25 | NivFreak | because I dislike decursing in healbot |
| 00:39.45 | NivFreak | and I want a minimal set of raid frames for healing, and a more informative one out of my way |
| 00:39.50 | NivFreak | since I'm the RL |
| 00:40.14 | NivFreak | so grid decursing is alright, but I'm still getting used to using a modifer to decurse |
| 00:40.19 | chiper | when my healer gets to raiding level I'll probably stop using either pitbull or I'll get a clickcasting addon for it and drop healbot |
| 00:40.20 | NivFreak | the icons are fantastic for arnea |
| 00:40.22 | NivFreak | arena |
| 00:40.27 | NeoTron | sometiems I wish I wasn't a RL. if I wasn't I coukld get away without raid frames :P |
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| 00:40.31 | NivFreak | since I can just set the CC debuff priority to max |
| 00:40.39 | NivFreak | NeoTron: yea |
| 00:40.50 | chiper | tho, so far I've been able to use healbots decursing fine |
| 00:40.52 | NeoTron | I'm glad I'm not a healer though |
| 00:40.54 | NivFreak | chiper: clique is nice |
| 00:40.58 | NivFreak | but then you may as well use grid |
| 00:41.05 | NeoTron | ranged DPS is pretty optimal class for raid leading |
| 00:41.27 | NeoTron | melee, especially tanks, probably would be about the worstr |
| 00:41.39 | chiper | neo: yeah, I think so too. a lot of people think the tank should be the leader all the times, but ranged often has a better overall view |
| 00:41.51 | Kivin | Tank leading Prince = doom |
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| 00:42.03 | chiper | oh yeah, for prince we always have the main healer lead |
| 00:42.16 | Kivin | I refuse to heal and direct things, it's too distracting |
| 00:42.28 | Kivin | We put mages and warlocks on infernal duty |
| 00:42.48 | chiper | infernal duty? |
| 00:42.53 | chiper | you mean watching them? |
| 00:42.56 | Kivin | calling down the infernals |
| 00:43.00 | chiper | ah |
| 00:43.17 | chiper | for a second there I thought you were saying you dps the infernals, which didnt make sense |
| 00:44.15 | NeoTron | tanking nightbane or prince = see nothing at all |
| 00:44.26 | NeoTron | having done it does add some perspective |
| 00:45.41 | NivFreak | chiper: I RL as MT, MH, and DPS |
| 00:45.49 | NivFreak | they all have thier ups and downs |
| 00:46.15 | NivFreak | when I MT, I have a ranged DPS call infernals on prince |
| 00:46.39 | NivFreak | in fights without lots of movement and/or camera blocking issues |
| 00:46.43 | NivFreak | it's totally fine |
| 00:46.57 | NivFreak | All I have to do is run my muscle memory threat cycle, and monitor my health/rage |
| 00:47.01 | chiper | I felt bad last week when the raid leader wanted someone to call out portal positions, and I didnt want to do it because I was first in blue beam |
| 00:47.14 | NivFreak | on netherspite? |
| 00:47.16 | chiper | I probably shoulda told him that |
| 00:47.17 | chiper | yeah |
| 00:47.19 | NivFreak | hahaha |
| 00:47.24 | NivFreak | I call portals in all rolls |
| 00:47.26 | NivFreak | it's cake |
| 00:47.32 | NivFreak | that's such an easy fight |
| 00:47.44 | chiper | it is, as long as nobody fucks up and steal a beam |
| 00:47.59 | chiper | we have a warlock in the guild that we simply call "red beam" now |
| 00:48.03 | NivFreak | people who don't have beam assignments should just stay to the one side you run to |
| 00:48.16 | Fin | I still don't really understand what's going on in that fight |
| 00:48.23 | NivFreak | it doesn't matter if the red beam hits a warlock |
| 00:48.31 | NivFreak | Fin: it's cake |
| 00:48.41 | Fin | I'm always assigned to heal the tanks, which I do, and i stay out of the black nasty things, and away from the coloured zappy things, and just heal |
| 00:48.42 | Wobwork | it's really easy |
| 00:48.44 | NivFreak | tank stands in red beam, it gives him 30000 extra health |
| 00:48.47 | NivFreak | then ticks down by 1K |
| 00:48.53 | Wobwork | hell, I've tanked as a rogue =) |
| 00:48.55 | Fin | I've been in raids that have killed him loads |
| 00:49.00 | NivFreak | blue beam adds dmg output and input |
| 00:49.02 | Fin | I mean, I'm Exalted with Violet Eye |
| 00:49.02 | Wobwork | it's insane watching your hp jump around =P |
| 00:49.04 | chiper | niv: it does if said warlock steals it from the tank and then dies :P |
| 00:49.07 | Fin | nono! stop! please! |
| 00:49.13 | NivFreak | green beam increases heal size, and reduces mana pool |
| 00:49.22 | Fin | I've read the wiki page, nothing sticks in my brain because I don't need to know |
| 00:49.24 | NivFreak | chiper: if he gets 1 shotted for 40K, he fails |
| 00:49.33 | Fin | thank you kindly for the gesture, though |
| 00:49.40 | NivFreak | Fin: haha |
| 00:49.52 | NivFreak | I've had rogues tank netherspite |
| 00:49.57 | NivFreak | every week I have a resto shaman tank himn |
| 00:50.15 | Wobwork | It's very very scary as a rogue |
| 00:50.24 | NivFreak | haha |
| 00:50.27 | NivFreak | yea |
| 00:50.31 | NivFreak | that's probably the most scetchy |
| 00:50.35 | chiper | actually, yeah, ehe didnt get one-shotted, but he did freak out and run away, causing netherspite to move and all the other beams to break |
| 00:50.40 | NivFreak | we do a 4 person rotation in red beam |
| 00:50.49 | Wobwork | yeah, easiest that way |
| 00:50.50 | NivFreak | 1st warrior/holy pally |
| 00:50.57 | chiper | at that point it's such a cluster fuck all you can do is try and stay alive until the next banish |
| 00:50.59 | NivFreak | 2nd bear druid/resto shaman |
| 00:51.15 | NivFreak | my warrior is at about 20K raid buffed |
| 00:51.24 | NivFreak | I think the bear is at 18K |
| 00:51.35 | chiper | ok, work done, time to go home |
| 00:53.10 | Codayus | We find a 2 person rotation a lot easier. |
| 00:53.29 | NivFreak | I usually take the beam until I'm at 13K health or so |
| 00:53.31 | Codayus | For the red beam. |
| 00:53.36 | NivFreak | and then swap |
| 00:53.40 | NivFreak | it's pretty low risk |
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| 00:53.53 | Estil | must level my druid |
| 00:54.02 | Codayus | Swapping people sucks, just have one person tank each phase. :-p |
| 00:54.55 | Wobwork | do you run for the wall in the phased phase? |
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| 00:55.22 | NivFreak | swaping people is easy... |
| 00:55.33 | NivFreak | I just have #2 stand directly in front of #1 |
| 00:55.35 | Wobwork | just stand behind the target |
| 00:55.39 | NivFreak | when #1 is down |
| 00:55.41 | NivFreak | you walk forward |
| 00:55.44 | NivFreak | the end |
| 00:55.49 | Wobwork | or #1 steps out of the way |
| 00:55.52 | NivFreak | nah |
| 00:55.54 | NivFreak | stepping makes him shift |
| 00:56.03 | Wobwork | oh, not for the tank |
| 00:56.04 | Wobwork | yeah |
| 00:56.19 | NivFreak | same concept for the other beams though |
| 00:56.26 | NivFreak | but they can just step in behind |
| 00:56.38 | NivFreak | I like to give #1 the ability to choose when to leave |
| 00:56.52 | NivFreak | so I prefer having #2 in front of them |
| 00:56.59 | Codayus | I didn't say it was HARD... Just extra complications. |
| 00:57.02 | NivFreak | it never fails that our shadow priest dies |
| 00:57.03 | NivFreak | haha |
| 00:57.19 | NivFreak | We've been doing it since May I guess, so it's dead simple to us |
| 00:57.25 | xyu | Uhhh so....who knows how to keep the hillsbard illusion?!?!?!? i just saw someone |
| 00:57.26 | xyu | w/ it |
| 00:57.28 | xyu | in tanaris |
| 00:57.29 | NivFreak | do you weave beams? |
| 00:57.31 | xyu | tell meeee!! |
| 00:57.44 | NivFreak | xyu: I'm sure it's just a race condition |
| 00:57.55 | NivFreak | I've kept the netherdrake when flying into SMV before |
| 00:58.10 | xyu | race condition my arse! >< |
| 00:58.31 | NivFreak | well if you figure it out, let me know :P |
| 01:00.12 | NivFreak | who had a toon on Maiev? |
| 01:01.14 | NivFreak | Estil: it was you right? |
| 01:01.20 | Estil | a shaman yes |
| 01:01.54 | NivFreak | how is it? |
| 01:02.04 | NivFreak | dead? |
| 01:02.05 | Estil | I played on him when Maiev was new |
| 01:02.10 | Estil | now it's supposed to be dead server |
| 01:02.32 | NivFreak | what happened? |
| 01:02.41 | NivFreak | I can't find solid census data anywhere |
| 01:02.54 | Xinhuan | * What do Rogues and Noobs have incommon? | 01/15/2008 04:50:43 PM PST |
| 01:03.03 | Xinhuan | They both pick Locks. =P |
| 01:03.17 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 01:03.20 | clad|sleep | win |
| 01:03.23 | NeoTron | Wobwork: the smaller number of people invovled, the less noobs will fail to stand in their beam |
| 01:03.53 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: ironically, locks aren't easy to play well |
| 01:03.54 | aestil | Ellipsis: how abouts i emails it to you? |
| 01:03.58 | NeoTron | neither are, frankly, hunters |
| 01:04.03 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 01:04.06 | NeoTron | (from a raid perspective) |
| 01:04.12 | Xinhuan | doesn't make the joke any less funny |
| 01:04.20 | NeoTron | as a lock it is my duty :P |
| 01:04.48 | clad|sleep | NeoTron: no one refers to locks being imba, from a raid perspective :P |
| 01:05.03 | clad|sleep | or those that do need to l2p |
| 01:05.06 | Fin | NivFreak: que? |
| 01:05.25 | NivFreak | Fin: hrm? |
| 01:05.35 | Fin | census as in the addon Census? |
| 01:05.49 | NeoTron | clad|sleep: locks rock... but I've seen BAD locks |
| 01:05.49 | NivFreak | no, I just mean data I can find online |
| 01:05.54 | NivFreak | I won't have time to try the addon until tonight |
| 01:06.00 | Fin | oh |
| 01:06.01 | NeoTron | that's the only point I have. playing a lock is easy. playing one well is hard |
| 01:06.05 | clad|sleep | NeoTron: i know,I have one :P |
| 01:06.16 | clad|sleep | hrm |
| 01:06.17 | NeoTron | U see WWS |
| 01:06.29 | NeoTron | oops. I see WWS logs with locks low on the DPS meters |
| 01:06.32 | Fin | U wot |
| 01:06.41 | NeoTron | not because the rest of the DPS is high but because the locks' DPS is bad |
| 01:08.47 | Xinhuan | they are bad on dps usually because of some other duty |
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| 01:09.05 | Xinhuan | like having to keep some curse up, or have an imp in MT group |
| 01:09.29 | NeoTron | "having to keep some curse up"? |
| 01:09.41 | Xinhuan | yeah, like curse of tongues |
| 01:09.46 | Xinhuan | or curse of elements |
| 01:09.46 | NeoTron | rarely the case |
| 01:09.47 | Codayus | CoS, CoE, CoT, CoW |
| 01:09.51 | Xinhuan | instead of agony |
| 01:09.56 | NeoTron | CoS and Cow = 5m, CoW = 2m |
| 01:10.08 | Codayus | NeoTron: It means now using a DPS curse, so it WILL have an impact. |
| 01:10.10 | Codayus | Always. |
| 01:10.11 | Xinhuan | uh the CoE/CoW, etc they cast costs them CoA |
| 01:10.14 | NeoTron | sure |
| 01:10.17 | Xinhuan | curse of agony is a dot |
| 01:10.19 | NeoTron | I typically do CoT |
| 01:10.24 | NeoTron | err |
| 01:10.25 | NeoTron | CoS I mean |
| 01:10.28 | NeoTron | or CoR/CoW |
| 01:10.54 | NeoTron | anyhow, I always discount curse-damage when comparing locks |
| 01:10.56 | Xinhuan | also because of threat wipes on phase changes on many bosses, most dot classes are also told to stop dots 15 sec before a phase change |
| 01:10.58 | NeoTron | since it depends on duty |
| 01:11.15 | NeoTron | on a few bosses... :P |
| 01:11.27 | Xinhuan | yeah its quite situational - one example is Hydross |
| 01:11.55 | NeoTron | btw one of our locks, who's affliction, is always top 4 |
| 01:12.00 | NeoTron | often top 1-2 |
| 01:12.10 | NeoTron | and he's pretty much always in the MT group |
| 01:12.45 | CIA-4 | 03kagaro * r58578 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: changes to make the minimap mem usage slimmer, still not quite right. Xinhaun, Ammo take a look and see whats up |
| 01:13.50 | NeoTron | I guess a lot of guilds probably put all locks in crap groups |
| 01:14.00 | NeoTron | where I make sure to put locks in the crit group to maximize ISB |
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| 01:15.07 | Xinhuan | kagaro manages to spell my name wrong - again |
| 01:15.16 | Cryect | hehe |
| 01:15.35 | Xinhuan | Cryect, why are you always never around when Shadowed is |
| 01:15.41 | Cryect | not sure |
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| 01:15.52 | Cryect | I choose not to join here while I'm working |
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| 01:16.03 | Cryect | but i'm normally on 7PM till going to sleep |
| 01:16.50 | lapalapa | guys i have a strange problem |
| 01:16.57 | lapalapa | just installed MSBT for first time |
| 01:17.14 | lapalapa | and while trying to set up custom even there i found a strange thing |
| 01:17.30 | lapalapa | the button Trigger Event Types is greyed |
| 01:17.50 | lapalapa | i cant press it to set up custom event. and my custom filters arent working even when i am trying to make pretty simple ones. |
| 01:18.12 | lapalapa | TT |
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| 01:21.19 | deadlock | how can i disable teh quest tracking under the minimap... |
| 01:21.54 | Stanzilla | kagaro: can I slap you with pasteys? |
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| 01:22.03 | kagaro | Stan re-update |
| 01:22.12 | Ellipsis | deadlock: interface options -> display -> automatic quest tracking |
| 01:22.50 | kagaro | Stan only thing right now is heavy cpu usage in the updating, still working it out |
| 01:23.17 | kagaro | memory is staying a lot flatter |
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| 01:23.54 | Stanzilla | one thing I noticed is that ore veign icons stick to the player arrow on the minimap |
| 01:24.12 | kagaro | yeah last update i messed up something trying to fix up mem usage |
| 01:24.17 | Stanzilla | k^^ |
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| 01:24.24 | Xinhuan | is that fixed |
| 01:24.27 | Xinhuan | or ? |
| 01:24.29 | kagaro | i think so |
| 01:24.36 | kagaro | not 100%, in TK right now |
| 01:24.42 | kagaro | so no icons available |
| 01:25.20 | lapalapa | noone here usues MSBT? |
| 01:25.22 | lapalapa | what a pity really :( |
| 01:25.38 | Keias | I do, just never set up custom events. |
| 01:25.42 | lapalapa | hmm |
| 01:25.48 | kagaro | Xinhaun, like I said take a glance over when you get done with the other thing |
| 01:25.56 | lapalapa | can you check right now if that button is available for you? |
| 01:26.05 | Stanzilla | ah perfect |
| 01:26.09 | Stanzilla | fixed, kagaro |
| 01:26.10 | Xinhuan | won't be that soon, but i'll look at it |
| 01:26.30 | kagaro | just keep an eye on cpu stan let me know if it spikes on you |
| 01:26.35 | Stanzilla | ok |
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| 01:30.06 | Stanzilla | kagaro: the only thing I noticed that it jumps from 0.xx to 7.xx when changing the icon scale |
| 01:30.11 | Stanzilla | *is |
| 01:30.40 | kagaro | changing scale causes a refresh of the minimap |
| 01:30.42 | Stanzilla | % cpu that is |
| 01:30.44 | Stanzilla | kk |
| 01:31.11 | kagaro | during reconfig i wouldnt worry about cpu since your not doing anything with that box up |
| 01:31.21 | Stanzilla | hm yeah |
| 01:31.28 | Stanzilla | toggle minimap icons doesnt work, yet? |
| 01:31.35 | kagaro | opions of the config screen stan ? |
| 01:31.43 | kagaro | oops forgot to add that one, good catch |
| 01:32.19 | Stanzilla | "show mining nodes" turns of both minimap and worldmap icons, correct? |
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| 01:35.18 | CIA-4 | 03kagaro * r58579 10/branches/GatherMate/ (Config.lua Display.lua Locales/GatherMate-enUS.lua): added showMinimap support |
| 01:35.31 | kagaro | gahh i hate when tanks do pickup alar on phase 2 |
| 01:35.34 | kagaro | I always die |
| 01:35.45 | kagaro | Stanzilla: yes |
| 01:36.44 | Stanzilla | http://i3.tinypic.com/712grpz.png <- the space I marked red looks weird, but that's a Ace3GUI thing, *waves to clad|sleep* |
| 01:37.15 | kagaro | yeah not much I can do about that one atm |
| 01:37.23 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 01:37.49 | Stanzilla | I'll tell you when I find anything else |
| 01:38.00 | kagaro | Otherwise what do you think so far? |
| 01:40.06 | Stanzilla | It's pretty cool |
| 01:40.12 | Xinhuan | kagaro, just add a "filter" category heading |
| 01:40.15 | Xinhuan | so it doesn't look weird |
| 01:40.18 | Xinhuan | in the screenshot |
| 01:40.22 | Stanzilla | I guess there will be an option to turn off the chat output in the future? |
| 01:40.36 | kagaro | Stanzilla: yeah its just some debug right now |
| 01:40.42 | Stanzilla | yeah that's what I thought |
| 01:40.51 | Xinhuan | those are just debug outputs, you can comment out the debug line in the last function in gathermate.lua |
| 01:41.32 | kagaro | Xinhaun: I was trying to get it a little smoother bug was getting wierd results |
| 01:41.44 | Xinhuan | adding a filter heading didn't work? |
| 01:42.03 | Xinhuan | its just an extra opttable header or something |
| 01:42.10 | Stanzilla | will it be able to sync with other GatherMate users in the same group/guild etc? |
| 01:42.27 | kagaro | Stanzilla: no |
| 01:42.54 | Stanzilla | k |
| 01:43.21 | kagaro | Xinhaun: you see the entries like Herb Filter? those are the group headings, dont have any control on that box that I can tell |
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| 01:44.02 | Funkeh` | what exactly is agthermate |
| 01:44.03 | kagaro | doh! I didnt see the heading type 1 sec |
| 01:44.06 | Funkeh` | gather* |
| 01:44.10 | Funkeh` | like gatherer? |
| 01:44.20 | Xinhuan | yeah funkeh |
| 01:44.20 | Stanzilla | but sending databases would be could. like person1 enters person2's name and person2 get's a confirmation window like "hey person1 wants to send you his GatherMate database, It contains herb, mining and fishing nodes" and then a checkbox which notes he would like to accept..but that would be a bit heavy^^ |
| 01:44.34 | Stanzilla | could = cool |
| 01:44.41 | Stanzilla | wtf is wrong with my typing today O.o |
| 01:44.46 | Xinhuan | me/kagaro intends it to be the replacement for cartographer_gatheringmodules |
| 01:44.56 | Xinhuan | and is mapmod independant |
| 01:44.59 | Funkeh` | so it will work wiht mapster? |
| 01:45.01 | Funkeh` | nice |
| 01:45.02 | Xinhuan | yes it will |
| 01:45.06 | NeoTron | so next time someone calls their computer a "cpu" or "harddrive" I will comemnt on how nice it is to ride my engine or tires to work |
| 01:45.18 | Xinhuan | uses half as much memory too, probably |
| 01:45.31 | Funkeh` | wouldn't doubt it |
| 01:45.47 | Xinhuan | without the babble baggage |
| 01:46.05 | NeoTron | will it come with routes builtin? :P |
| 01:46.09 | Xinhuan | not so soon |
| 01:46.15 | kagaro | entire wowhead db i see about 1.8 megs, cart herbs alone uses almost a meg + deps pushing it over 5 |
| 01:46.20 | Funkeh` | why would that be built in |
| 01:46.27 | Xinhuan | i localized the constants file directly so no reverse lookups are needed - means no reverse lookup tables need to be generated |
| 01:46.41 | Funkeh` | Xinhuan, nice |
| 01:47.12 | NeoTron | Funkeh`: well.. why not? Everything isn't better split up. :P (although in reality I'd mostly like to have the functionality) |
| 01:47.16 | kagaro | it just needs some more cpu tuning |
| 01:47.37 | kagaro | I think it uses too much right now on the minimap code |
| 01:47.43 | Funkeh` | Everything isn't better gathered into one.. |
| 01:47.46 | Xinhuan | NeoTron, routes will be a separate addon for gathermate, not built in |
| 01:48.10 | Xinhuan | i haven't quite decided if it should be a GatherMate module, or a standalone |
| 01:48.39 | kagaro | thats up to you Xinhaun, as a dep module you know the db would be ther eand loaded |
| 01:48.50 | Xinhuan | that is true |
| 01:48.56 | Funkeh` | I would make it a gathermate module, to save all the work of having to support different addons ;p |
| 01:49.01 | Stanzilla | kagaro: how long will the orange circles "hang" on the border of the minimap? |
| 01:49.16 | kagaro | thats is a bug,1 sec |
| 01:49.18 | kagaro | in fight |
| 01:49.25 | NeoTron | one thing I've missed at times in routes is the ability to cut routes or exclude areas |
| 01:49.40 | NeoTron | meaning I don't really want the rout to go down to the netherwing island in SMV |
| 01:49.54 | Xinhuan | you could delete those nodes, make a route, then restore those nodes from a backup |
| 01:49.55 | NeoTron | understanding, of course, that it's not a trivial problem to solve |
| 01:49.59 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 01:50.16 | NeoTron | that is kind of painful :P |
| 01:50.26 | NeoTron | although I do plan to do that for some nodes |
| 01:50.29 | Xinhuan | or you could be an intelligent human, and just avoid the island |
| 01:50.36 | NeoTron | it was just an example :P |
| 01:50.39 | CIA-4 | 03kagaro * r58580 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: fix tracking circle bug |
| 01:51.05 | NeoTron | but I actually used it for leveling herbalism (again) in no-fly areas |
| 01:51.09 | NeoTron | for the most part it kind of worked |
| 01:51.13 | kagaro | in the code updates I did stan, i replace pins if I can, forgot to reset the circle when out of range |
| 01:51.18 | NeoTron | some areas just didn't work at all though (like STV) |
| 01:52.09 | Stanzilla | kagaro: kk another thing I noticed is that some textures on the minimap flicker |
| 01:52.19 | Stanzilla | like in elwynn those corn fields |
| 01:52.27 | Stanzilla | when I move they start to flicker |
| 01:52.35 | Stanzilla | when I stop, they stop |
| 01:52.35 | kagaro | might be redraw time |
| 01:53.23 | Xinhuan | routes wasn't quite designed for use without a flying mount :D |
| 01:53.28 | Xinhuan | it works, but kinda kinky |
| 01:53.33 | kagaro | that code needs a once over stan, soemthing isnt right in it, but ive been staring at it too long |
| 01:53.58 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: understood. it was just a random comment |
| 01:54.14 | Stanzilla | kagaro: kk |
| 01:54.22 | NeoTron | it would be fancy though if you could mark unpassable areas on the map and have it work around it :P |
| 01:54.34 | NeoTron | imagine a map you can draw lines on to put up barriers; :P |
| 01:55.03 | NeoTron | how does it draw the lines anyway? there aren't any line drawing primitives are there? |
| 01:55.48 | KarlThePagan | neo I've considered a few ways that could work |
| 01:55.58 | Xinhuan | we used the drawline code that was used in the taxi-frame |
| 01:56.04 | NeoTron | aha |
| 01:56.15 | Xinhuan | with permission from iriel of course |
| 01:56.16 | KarlThePagan | they're all a little crazy and probably not worth it |
| 01:56.18 | Xinhuan | since its his code |
| 01:56.31 | NeoTron | wait isn't the taxi-frame std blizzard interface? |
| 01:56.39 | Xinhuan | yes, it has credits to iriel |
| 01:56.42 | NeoTron | interesting |
| 01:57.05 | NeoTron | so it's lua code that draw lines? |
| 01:57.09 | NeoTron | how does it draw? heh |
| 01:57.16 | Xinhuan | it takes a line graphic |
| 01:57.16 | kagaro | man I kee saying we dont need 7 healers for this .. more dps but do they listen ... |
| 01:57.24 | Xinhuan | and transforms it |
| 01:57.27 | Xinhuan | matrix math |
| 01:57.29 | NeoTron | ah |
| 01:57.31 | NeoTron | magic |
| 01:57.38 | NeoTron | kagaro: for what? |
| 01:57.44 | kagaro | Alar |
| 01:57.50 | Ellipsis | math = magic? |
| 01:57.59 | kagaro | I swear we bring new tanks every time |
| 01:58.01 | NeoTron | Ellipsis: compared to a drawLine, yes |
| 01:58.14 | Xinhuan | check the last function in core.lua if you want |
| 01:58.15 | Ellipsis | I'd like to see you draw a line without using any math |
| 01:58.18 | Xinhuan | that's the drawline function |
| 01:58.34 | NeoTron | matrix transformation is not the normal method to draw a line |
| 01:58.55 | NeoTron | well, 2d-line |
| 01:59.02 | MentalPower | its one method |
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| 01:59.06 | NeoTron | I will gladly admit I don't know 3D-math |
| 01:59.10 | NeoTron | MentalPower: obviously yes |
| 01:59.20 | MentalPower | the other is take two points and draw a line between them |
| 01:59.36 | MentalPower | the third is take a point an angle and a distance |
| 01:59.51 | MentalPower | which can be simplified to the second method |
| 02:00.57 | NeoTron | anyhow time to head out. |
| 02:02.33 | Stanzilla | kagaro: I think it gets the wrong size for the minimap so the icons overlap a bit: http://i18.tinypic.com/6o1s12w.png |
| 02:03.03 | kagaro | should be 12 + scale |
| 02:03.21 | kagaro | err 12 * scale |
| 02:03.31 | Xinhuan | btw kagaro, if that circle is white in color |
| 02:03.52 | Xinhuan | you can allow the user to set the color of the circle via SetVertexColor |
| 02:04.01 | kagaro | didnt know that |
| 02:04.19 | Xinhuan | i.e the circle should be (1, 1, 1, 1) in RGBA |
| 02:04.32 | Xinhuan | so that setvertexcolor can shade it properly to any color |
| 02:04.45 | Xinhuan | its how wow shades buttons in red on unusable spells/items |
| 02:04.56 | Xinhuan | it sets the vertex color |
| 02:05.07 | kagaro | ill have to look at that later I made 4 diff color circles |
| 02:05.12 | Xinhuan | to (1, 0, 0, 1) |
| 02:05.58 | Stanzilla | kagaro: maybe a problem because my MM is not round? |
| 02:06.18 | kagaro | i dont use a round map stan, but when I was testing i had just the default ui up |
| 02:06.32 | Stanzilla | mkay |
| 02:06.41 | RaydenUni | how come my character doesn't run when i'm a ghost and i alt tab? |
| 02:06.42 | kagaro | i most likely didnt add the icon size to the positioning |
| 02:07.16 | Stanzilla | hm that could be it |
| 02:08.41 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 02:08.43 | RaydenUni | ran that time |
| 02:08.48 | RaydenUni | could be the massive amounts of lag |
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| 02:10.07 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 02:10.50 | Cryect | good bye! |
| 02:11.35 | JoshBorke | i'll track you down cryect! |
| 02:11.53 | JoshBorke | Cryect: get my priest into impervious pity runs of SSC and TK :-D |
| 02:12.07 | Cryect | Impervious doesn't actually run SSC and TK |
| 02:12.15 | Cryect | they take alts to Duality raids |
| 02:12.23 | JoshBorke | hrmph |
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| 02:12.27 | JoshBorke | get me in one of those! |
| 02:12.33 | Cryect | Pfft I don't raid |
| 02:12.40 | Funkeh` | go grind AV like everyone else |
| 02:12.40 | JoshBorke | DO IT! |
| 02:12.43 | RaydenUni | any o fyou ever listened to FM Static? |
| 02:12.45 | Stan_ | kagaro: it uses ~400kib Memory when idle btw |
| 02:12.50 | Stan_ | < going to bed now! |
| 02:12.52 | Stan_ | good night |
| 02:12.58 | JoshBorke | Funkeh`: how is grinding AV going to get me into BT and MH? |
| 02:13.07 | Funkeh` | epics |
| 02:13.14 | Ellipsis | free epix get you everywhere |
| 02:13.27 | RaydenUni | the singer sounda lot like the singer of... |
| 02:13.28 | RaydenUni | crap |
| 02:13.34 | RaydenUni | i forget the band |
| 02:13.38 | Funkeh` | singer of crap? |
| 02:13.40 | Funkeh` | oh |
| 02:13.42 | JoshBorke | free epix don't get me in my fiancee's pants |
| 02:13.42 | Cryect | and since we're alliance supposedly you finish the Av in record times :-p |
| 02:13.45 | Funkeh` | meh |
| 02:13.47 | Funkeh` | sleep time |
| 02:13.55 | Ellipsis | JoshBorke: then I'd have to say you're doing it wrong |
| 02:14.06 | Cryect | JoshBorke, does everything wrong |
| 02:14.15 | RaydenUni | Our Lady peace |
| 02:14.18 | RaydenUni | sounds like the OLP singer |
| 02:14.20 | JoshBorke | rebooting into windows |
| 02:14.37 | Cryect | and getting in a girl's pants is just seduction but he's gone! |
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| 02:22.59 | RaydenUni | i should listen to some OLP again |
| 02:23.00 | RaydenUni | been a while |
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| 02:27.13 | chiper | does engineering offer any means of getting to outland from azeroth? portaling device perhaps? |
| 02:27.52 | Ellipsis | yeah, there's an engineering teleport |
| 02:27.57 | Ellipsis | maybe 2? not sure |
| 02:28.27 | chiper | I know there's ones for getting around the goblin within azeroth, but wasnt sure about in outland |
| 02:29.10 | Xinhuan | goblin engineers gets to teleport to area52 |
| 02:29.16 | Xinhuan | gnomes ones to toshley's station |
| 02:29.42 | chiper | how do you get the schematic? |
| 02:30.01 | Xinhuan | by talking to the respective gnome/goblin in that town |
| 02:30.06 | chiper | ok, thanks |
| 02:31.10 | RaydenUni | do you guys know of a mod that asks you to verify a flight? |
| 02:31.48 | chiper | flightmap might have that option, let me check |
| 02:31.52 | RaydenUni | option? |
| 02:31.53 | RaydenUni | sweet |
| 02:31.59 | RaydenUni | cause it's on right now and i didn't knwo which mod did it |
| 02:31.59 | chiper | yes, it does |
| 02:32.07 | RaydenUni | trying to turn it off |
| 02:32.19 | chiper | type /flightmap to get the options screen |
| 02:32.26 | chiper | it's bottom-left checkbox |
| 02:33.06 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 02:33.16 | RaydenUni | i don't ahve that |
| 02:33.23 | chiper | dont have what? |
| 02:33.29 | RaydenUni | flightmap |
| 02:33.31 | RaydenUni | heh |
| 02:33.42 | chiper | you just said you did... |
| 02:33.58 | RaydenUni | cartographer? LocationFu? Quartz? |
| 02:34.02 | RaydenUni | no i didn't |
| 02:34.07 | RaydenUni | well maybe i implied it |
| 02:34.15 | RaydenUni | i have some mod that asks me to verify a flight |
| 02:34.18 | RaydenUni | don't know what it is |
| 02:34.35 | RaydenUni | must not be ace |
| 02:35.27 | RaydenUni | InFlight? |
| 02:35.52 | RaydenUni | yeap |
| 02:35.55 | RaydenUni | that was it |
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| 02:56.54 | Kirkburn | Question - was this change in 2.3.2? "Fixed function calls in Bindings.xml." - http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.3 |
| 02:59.20 | Xinhuan | ah yes that unwrapped binding problem |
| 02:59.24 | Xinhuan | annoys the hell out of me |
| 02:59.44 | Xinhuan | occurs quite easily if you try to move while splitting a stack |
| 02:59.47 | Ellipsis | argh |
| 03:00.12 | Ellipsis | why does gxrestart not remember to actually restart |
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| 03:01.32 | Kivin | is it senile? |
| 03:02.16 | Ellipsis | must be |
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| 03:03.55 | Ellipsis | I'm not sure which is worse...crashing to desktop, or just sitting there with no graphics |
| 03:04.33 | Kivin | =X |
| 03:04.42 | Sole | hello |
| 03:04.45 | Arrowmaster | no whats worse is whats been happening to me since 2.3.0 |
| 03:04.55 | Sole | whats happening to you? |
| 03:04.58 | Arrowmaster | complete lockup requiring pressing restart button |
| 03:05.05 | Sole | ouch |
| 03:05.23 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: on gxrestart specifically? |
| 03:05.30 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:05.35 | Arrowmaster | randomly |
| 03:06.00 | Ellipsis | even more fun |
| 03:06.31 | Sole | so Ive got a problem, Ive created a flier which I need to send to our publisher, but I can only produce a pdf which is just an image, I cant find a way to create it with text (ya know when you can highlight the text inside a pdf). Using photoshop cs3 |
| 03:07.01 | Kirkburn | Xinhuan, you're saying it's still broken? |
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| 03:07.17 | Sole | and google isnt helping :( |
| 03:07.46 | Arrowmaster | you may need to use acrobat or something |
| 03:07.52 | Xinhuan | yes, it is sitll broken Kirkburn |
| 03:08.02 | Xinhuan | and fairly easily reproducable |
| 03:08.23 | Xinhuan | 1. turn off NUMLOCK 2. shift-click on a stack of bandages to open the split stack frame |
| 03:08.38 | Xinhuan | 3. hold down the num2 (the down button) |
| 03:08.40 | Xinhuan | 4. press enter |
| 03:09.07 | Xinhuan | i've seen at least 10 or 15 different addons getting blamed for this one |
| 03:09.37 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 03:12.44 | Fin | http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/ |
| 03:12.58 | Fin | (for Sole) |
| 03:13.29 | Kivin | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=21897 <- blizzard needs to fire the guy that wrote this quest's text |
| 03:13.43 | Sole | thanks Fin, I'll take a look |
| 03:14.18 | Sole | Kivin: thats a mob, not a quest |
| 03:14.49 | Kivin | err, http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10673 |
| 03:17.45 | Kirkburn | Xinhuan, thanks :) |
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| 03:24.53 | Sole | doh |
| 03:25.02 | Sole | Illustrator does much better pdf creation than photoshop |
| 03:25.17 | Sole | and its easier to draw with too O_O |
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| 03:44.21 | Estil | interesting |
| 03:44.25 | Estil | warriors asking for pummel off GCD |
| 03:44.31 | Estil | as a healer, I'd like to say "screw that" |
| 03:46.35 | Kivin | Paladins still have no spell interrupt, silence, or snares, and warriors want theirs taken off the gcd? uhr... |
| 03:47.10 | JoshBorke | hammer of justice, judgement of justice? |
| 03:47.22 | JoshBorke | that other ret spell i forget |
| 03:47.28 | Xinhuan | repentence |
| 03:47.32 | Kivin | HoJ is a 1 minute cooldown that can be resisted easily, JoJ isn't a snare, it just locks you a 100% speed |
| 03:47.41 | Kivin | repent, another 1 minute cooldown |
| 03:47.52 | JoshBorke | you said you don't have it |
| 03:47.53 | Kivin | an antiquated 31-pt talent that has practically no worth |
| 03:47.54 | JoshBorke | not that it sucks |
| 03:48.01 | Kivin | i don't count long cooldowns |
| 03:48.08 | JoshBorke | sorry, did i miss that statement? |
| 03:48.16 | Estil | you should try play in a game with a warrior + another interruption-capable class as a healer |
| 03:48.17 | Xinhuan | its on a shorter cooldown than say iceblock |
| 03:48.18 | Estil | it's not fun |
| 03:48.30 | Xinhuan | or Vanish |
| 03:48.32 | Estil | if they know how to play, which is most of the time in BG9 |
| 03:48.38 | Estil | I can never ever get off any heals that has cast time |
| 03:50.40 | Daemona | anyone recall the name of that addon that checked your reputations and listed repeatable quests and items to raise factions? |
| 03:51.49 | Xinhuan | wowwiki :D |
| 03:52.00 | Daemona | baah |
| 03:52.21 | Xinhuan | wowwiki has far more details than youll ever wantto know |
| 03:52.24 | Xinhuan | regarding repeatable quests |
| 03:52.46 | Daemona | i expected a better answer than that... searching WAU for faction didnt reveal anything :( |
| 03:53.09 | Daemona | Xinhuan i got 3 toons i play and i have to push different factions ... i dont want wowwiki i want it ingame... |
| 03:53.57 | Estil | windowed mode! |
| 03:54.30 | kagaro | Xinhaun how long does it take your guild to clear TK? |
| 03:54.44 | Xinhuan | 1 night, say ~3+ hours |
| 03:55.18 | xyu | Anyone know, offhand, how to make oor players in grid transparent? |
| 03:55.37 | Xinhuan | you zap them with your wand and say adacadabra! |
| 03:55.52 | Kivin | I think that's the most scientific answer I've heard in #wowace all day. |
| 03:57.19 | Estil | a warrior just said he can kill me 1v1 :( |
| 03:57.29 | RaydenUni | wtf |
| 03:57.31 | RaydenUni | 250 queue |
| 03:58.33 | Daemona | wtf server down ! |
| 03:58.40 | Daemona | damn EU |
| 03:59.04 | Kivin | D: |
| 03:59.59 | Kivin | *drumroll*..... |
| 04:00.40 | Kivin | durh... 99.9% complete level 69 |
| 04:01.25 | RaydenUni | woot |
| 04:01.35 | RaydenUni | time to bg for 2 months |
| 04:01.46 | Kivin | D: |
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| 04:03.24 | Kivin | ding 70 :) |
| 04:04.22 | Estil | grats |
| 04:04.25 | Estil | wish my druid coudl hit 70 |
| 04:04.25 | Estil | :( |
| 04:04.26 | NightHawkTheSane | !c us Whisperwind Slushie |
| 04:04.38 | ThraeBot | NightHawkTheSane: Slushie, Level 68 Undead Warlock (18/41/0). 8313 HP; 7247 Mana; 110 mana regen; 49 spell crit; 554 +spell dmg; 3.86% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10); +34 all resists (+10 shadow);[[ TBR: 692 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/287uz2 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3akyo9 ][ Updated: Tue Jan 15 23:11:39 2008 EST ]] |
| 04:13.36 | CIA-4 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub 07master * rfc4bb8a666 10Panda/ (4 files): Open backback when panels are shown, nil out frame factories when they aren't needed anymore |
| 04:13.36 | CIA-4 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub 07master * r03f1e129a5 10Panda/Disenchanting.lua: Fix tip anchor in DE frame |
| 04:13.36 | CIA-4 | tekkub-wow: 03tekkub 07master * r4c352777b3 10Panda/ (GemCutting.lua Panda.lua PricePanel.lua): Common constants across the addon (save a smidge of memory) |
| 04:15.55 | Kivin | what's the hitrating cap for pvp? |
| 04:15.59 | Xinhuan | !i glove reinforcements |
| 04:16.00 | Kivin | sorry, two handed/ranged |
| 04:17.01 | ThraeBot | Xinhuan: that is not the item you're looking for! |
| 04:17.16 | Xinhuan | fail |
| 04:17.21 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34207 |
| 04:17.45 | Estil | Kivin: 5% |
| 04:17.46 | Kivin | wow, that's a lot of armor for a bear |
| 04:17.52 | Kivin | Estil: Is it? thanks |
| 04:17.56 | Xinhuan | it isn't multiplied by bear form |
| 04:18.02 | Estil | pvp or pve |
| 04:18.06 | Estil | hit rating cap for 2h is 5% |
| 04:18.10 | Estil | or 1h too |
| 04:18.13 | Xinhuan | armor from enchants doesn't get multiplied |
| 04:18.15 | Estil | hit rating cap changes if you dualwield |
| 04:18.31 | Estil | so yea, aim for 5% total including any talents , gems, etc |
| 04:18.36 | Estil | if you dualwield... you need tons more hit |
| 04:18.45 | Kivin | I realize this. 24% for dw |
| 04:18.52 | Kivin | wasn't sure if a lv.70 player was == lv.70 mob |
| 04:19.04 | Estil | it's completly based on level so yea it's the same |
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| 04:21.56 | Estil | hammer of justice got gayed though |
| 04:22.01 | Estil | its hit rate is based on spellhit :p |
| 04:22.20 | Kivin | indeed |
| 04:22.34 | Kivin | plus take into consideration all the stun resists in burning crusade and it's half worthless |
| 04:22.39 | Estil | pretty much yea |
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| 04:22.58 | Estil | you can blame rogues and their "stunlocks" |
| 04:23.42 | Kivin | opinion: is putting resists on my pet worthwhile for pvp? (looking at around 90 to each or maybe 120 in a couple) |
| 04:23.49 | Estil | yes. |
| 04:24.05 | Estil | most serious pvp/arena hunters recommend |
| 04:24.10 | Estil | stacking nature/frost resist |
| 04:24.15 | Kivin | nature and frost...hmm |
| 04:24.20 | Kivin | i was thinking fire, frost, shadow |
| 04:24.24 | Estil | don't bother with fire |
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| 04:24.29 | Kivin | why not? |
| 04:24.34 | Estil | they do frost/nature for the purpose of blocking enemy cc |
| 04:24.35 | Estil | not dps |
| 04:24.37 | Estil | fire don't do cc |
| 04:24.45 | Kivin | I see |
| 04:25.11 | Kivin | would shadow help stop fear bombs? |
| 04:25.32 | Estil | yes |
| 04:25.37 | Estil | but |
| 04:25.42 | Estil | it's not likely warlock will actually try to fear your pet |
| 04:25.48 | Kivin | They do it constantly to me |
| 04:25.49 | Estil | he will be more busy trying to fear someone more important |
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| 04:25.52 | Kivin | Get it off them to stop the pushback |
| 04:25.52 | Estil | exactly |
| 04:25.58 | Estil | oh |
| 04:25.59 | Estil | I see |
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| 04:26.11 | Estil | if you are just doing bg's |
| 04:26.13 | Estil | spec BM |
| 04:26.22 | Kivin | I am |
| 04:26.30 | Kivin | I'm 41.20.0 |
| 04:26.37 | xyu | UGH!!! i dont know how people can die to falling from air burst *sad face* |
| 04:26.38 | Estil | then just focus on frost/nature |
| 04:26.44 | xyu | that's almost always why people are dying |
| 04:26.57 | Estil | cyclone/roots/frostnova and other frost effects |
| 04:27.00 | Estil | are more deadly than fear |
| 04:27.06 | Kivin | so I can do: 140 frost 140 nature 90 shadow, plus all the novalties such as faster attacks and reduced aoe damage |
| 04:27.20 | Estil | I'd rather suggest forgo shadowresistance |
| 04:27.26 | Estil | because priest/paladin can put up anti-shadowresist |
| 04:27.27 | Kivin | And put the talents where? |
| 04:27.36 | Estil | you can't increase frost/nature any further? |
| 04:27.42 | Kivin | not past 140 |
| 04:27.59 | Kivin | arcane for sheeps? |
| 04:28.12 | Estil | nah |
| 04:28.19 | Estil | can't say for bg, but in arena |
| 04:28.24 | Estil | mages will rarely, if at all |
| 04:28.26 | Estil | sheep hunter pets |
| 04:28.43 | Estil | they will only do so if you sic the pet on the healer and healer needs to drink |
| 04:28.44 | Kivin | well, you're proposing that i leave untalented points, then? i dunno what else to do with them |
| 04:29.13 | Estil | I'd say to ask hunter community but I'm pretty sure they will say stamina |
| 04:29.26 | Kivin | only going to be another 130 HP |
| 04:29.30 | Estil | dang |
| 04:29.31 | Estil | so small |
| 04:29.35 | Estil | they got to buff hunter pets |
| 04:29.57 | Kivin | even with full pts in stamina... that's only 640, and costs a lot of points |
| 04:30.29 | Kivin | costs so much that to get full stamina, i'd have to reduce frost and nature resists to 60 |
| 04:30.52 | Kivin | think i'll go with 430 additional armor |
| 04:30.53 | Estil | :( |
| 04:34.06 | CIA-4 | 03xinhuan 07Talents * r58581 10WoWEquip/ (WoWEquip.lua WoWEquipData.lua): WoWEquip: - Implement 13 more talents |
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| 04:36.39 | alcaras | Anyone know how to get PT3Bar to sort within a set group? (i.e. within "m,") |
| 04:37.03 | alcaras | i have ["PT3BarCustom.MostWater"] = "m,Consumable.Water.Conjured,Consumable.Water.Basic,PT3BarCustom.Biscuits", and vendor water is getting put in front of biscuits, which is not good :( |
| 04:37.35 | Xinhuan | so.. swap the order? |
| 04:37.43 | alcaras | i did |
| 04:37.45 | alcaras | doesn't change anything |
| 04:37.52 | alcaras | had biscuits first |
| 04:38.12 | alcaras | where biscuits are ["PT3BarCustom.Biscuits"] = "34062:100,19301:99,13724:98", |
| 04:38.37 | xyu | alcaras: were you ever in the guild Nurfed by any chance? :D |
| 04:38.42 | alcaras | yes |
| 04:38.45 | alcaras | in 2005 |
| 04:38.46 | xyu | sup :D |
| 04:38.47 | xyu | yea |
| 04:38.52 | alcaras | how are you, gnome mage? |
| 04:38.55 | xyu | yep |
| 04:39.00 | alcaras | i'm on mal'ganis horde now |
| 04:39.05 | xyu | good good, (*undead now) |
| 04:39.08 | xyu | i'm on sargeras |
| 04:39.42 | Xinhuan | why did you leave? |
| 04:39.45 | xyu | just thought the name looked familiar. I remember you made a mage gear spreadsheet way back in the day |
| 04:39.47 | alcaras | but anyone know this PT3 bar problem? |
| 04:39.51 | alcaras | or how to sort within a set? |
| 04:40.07 | Xinhuan | i don't know, sorry |
| 04:40.25 | xyu | i thoguht it was by order too |
| 04:40.27 | xyu | thought* |
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| 04:41.01 | alcaras | it isn't by order afaik |
| 04:41.16 | alcaras | time to just edit the code :p |
| 04:41.45 | alcaras | it's probably just doing bag order within a set |
| 04:42.24 | alcaras | ok, weird |
| 04:42.27 | Estil | oh snap gclol got banned |
| 04:42.33 | Keias | alcaras, were you in a guild called Humility? |
| 04:42.35 | alcaras | changing 'Best to Worst' to 'Worst to Best' puts biscuits first |
| 04:42.41 | alcaras | Yes, Keias, on Auchindoun and later Humility |
| 04:42.53 | Keias | lol |
| 04:42.56 | Keias | You get around |
| 04:43.15 | Keias | is all of humility on MG horde now? |
| 04:43.26 | alcaras | Archimonde-Nurfed, Maelstrom-NoPlaceLikeGnome, Auchindoun/Mug'thol-Humility, Mal'Ganis-SeriousCasual |
| 04:43.32 | alcaras | Much of it |
| 04:43.48 | alcaras | Were you on Auch? |
| 04:43.51 | Arrowmaster | alcaras: try removing the Consumable.Water.Basic and see which you have to set to get biscuits infront of the max level conjured water |
| 04:44.24 | Keias | Yeah |
| 04:44.27 | alcaras | i'm on my paladin and don't have any conjured water :p |
| 04:44.32 | Keias | Blackrock now though |
| 04:45.40 | Arrowmaster | alcaras: i think i found your problem |
| 04:45.55 | Arrowmaster | alcaras: its the ["PT3BarCustom.Biscuits"] = "34062:100,19301:99,13724:98", |
| 04:46.38 | alcaras | what about that arrowmaster |
| 04:46.58 | Arrowmaster | ["Consumable.Water.Conjured"]="5350:151,2288:436,2136:835,3772:1344,8077:1992,8078:2934,8079:4200,30703:5100,22018:7200", |
| 04:47.02 | Arrowmaster | see that |
| 04:47.04 | bigzero | lol "22:46:40 [4. LookingForGroup] [Darkestfall]: LF2M afk" |
| 04:47.15 | alcaras | ah! |
| 04:47.19 | alcaras | thank you |
| 04:47.28 | Arrowmaster | you need to change the 100, 99, 98 |
| 04:47.34 | alcaras | yah to 7500, it's actual value |
| 04:47.51 | alcaras | got it, thanks! |
| 04:48.03 | alcaras | i was thinking it would just be plain ordering |
| 04:48.09 | alcaras | but i see now, thanks |
| 04:48.11 | Arrowmaster | its 7500? |
| 04:48.18 | alcaras | biscuits are 7500 |
| 04:48.23 | alcaras | so i set it to :7500 now |
| 04:48.24 | Arrowmaster | pt3.1 has it as 7200 mana |
| 04:48.57 | Arrowmaster | ["Consumable.Food.Combo Mana"]="21071:315,21153:882,2682:294,3448:294,13724:4410,20031:4410,19301:4410,28112:4410,32722:4410,33053:7200,34062:7200", |
| 04:48.59 | alcaras | you're right |
| 04:49.12 | alcaras | 7500 food, 7200 mana |
| 04:49.30 | alcaras | ah i should i just use consumable.food.combo mana |
| 04:49.41 | Arrowmaster | what are the other items in your custom biscuits? |
| 04:50.06 | alcaras | holiday stuff |
| 04:50.49 | alcaras | so combo percent |
| 04:51.34 | alcaras | thanks! |
| 04:51.39 | Arrowmaster | ["Consumable.Food.Edible.Bread.Combo.Conjured"]="34062:7500", |
| 04:51.48 | Arrowmaster | thats in the default config for pt3bar |
| 04:52.50 | alcaras | i got it working now :) |
| 04:53.40 | Arrowmaster | im not sure which it will pick if you have both conjured biscuits and the max conjured water |
| 04:53.47 | Arrowmaster | if both are set to 7200 |
| 04:57.39 | alcaras | i just wanted it ahead of vendor food |
| 05:05.32 | Gngsk | there's no way to toggle between tracking 25 man and party on your minimap is there? |
| 05:05.57 | Arrowmaster | are the icons exactly the same or slightly different? |
| 05:07.45 | Arrowmaster | i think theyre slightly different so if you edited the objecticons file and made the raid one completely transparent you could switch to that file to remove them |
| 05:13.25 | Fin | there's an addon called AlternateBlips that does that |
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| 05:15.53 | Gngsk | thanks |
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| 05:17.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah theres an updated but maybe renamed version up on wowi along with another one that changes the quest ?s and !s to be smaller, both use the same file i think |
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| 05:25.28 | bigzero | anyone know the /command for pet actions? |
| 05:26.22 | Ellipsis | which pet action? |
| 05:30.34 | bigzero | like, for the water ele |
| 05:30.36 | bigzero | to attack |
| 05:30.46 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.12 | Ellipsis | yeah, /petattack /petfollow /petstay |
| 05:31.49 | Ellipsis | for spells you can just use /cast like you would for your own abilities |
| 05:33.38 | bigzero | thanks |
| 05:35.58 | bigzero | getting back into frost is so weird |
| 05:36.05 | bigzero | for some reason my dps went up |
| 05:36.12 | bigzero | like by a lot |
| 05:36.37 | bigzero | I was going like 980ish as fire, now i'm at ~1200 |
| 05:36.51 | bigzero | need to run this on a boss fight though to get the real number |
| 05:40.41 | Kivin | The alliance on strike because they can't win AV amuse me. I haven't won a single AV all evening on the horde side. |
| 05:42.50 | Estil | lol |
| 05:43.23 | Codayus | What battlegroup? |
| 05:43.35 | Lukian | wow Violation data is screwedwhen a hunter has a pet with the same name |
| 05:45.01 | Kivin | Codayus: Whirlwind |
| 05:45.13 | Kivin | Lukian: Even worse, I have been in a battleground with another player with my name |
| 05:45.37 | Kivin | I was an enhance shaman, he was a fury warrior |
| 05:45.52 | Kivin | I was getting chat spam "__ bleeds such and such damage from your deep wounds" |
| 05:46.37 | Codayus | Kivin: Ah, yeah. Same battlegroup as me, actually. |
| 05:46.38 | Lukian | rofl |
| 05:46.43 | Kivin | Codayus: What server? |
| 05:46.47 | Codayus | Lightbringer. |
| 05:46.58 | Kivin | A or H? |
| 05:46.59 | Codayus | And yeah, alliance still wins plenty in AV here... |
| 05:47.01 | Codayus | A. :-) |
| 05:47.25 | Codayus | It's some of the other battlegroups that have...issues. |
| 05:47.46 | Kivin | i haven't the damnedest why |
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| 05:47.53 | Kivin | the alliance walk all over us in Whirlwind |
| 05:52.33 | Codayus | I don't pvp much, but if I had to guess... Whirlwind horde tries to rush. The trick is the be a little moe organized, use the terrain. Wipe out the rush on Galv, then sit at Icewing until you've got the entire midfield controlled. |
| 05:53.03 | Codayus | Push forward. Might take 30 minutes, but you'll get a ton of honor, alliance gets 0, then they get upset, stop playing, and you get 2 hour queue times. |
| 05:53.34 | Codayus | (Or so the disjointed rants I hear from friends in other battlegroups indicates. Personally, I just run around randomly without any real plan...) |
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| 05:57.29 | kadrahil | Codayus: that generally happens when horde take snowfall and it forces alliance to rez back at stormpike, forcing us into a 2 hour turtle |
| 05:57.35 | kadrahil | and makes it hard on the offense generally |
| 05:57.38 | kadrahil | to push through |
| 05:58.32 | Codayus | *nod* The problem is, as I understand it, that competent horde will win the turtle. It's slow, but it will be a win, and due to the current honor mechanics of AV, it'll net alliance no bonus honor. |
| 05:59.03 | kadrahil | yeah, i agree that the losing team honor is really low |
| 05:59.10 | kadrahil | and i can see why the alliance would boycott because of it |
| 05:59.12 | Codayus | But as a denizen of Whirlwind, I'm really not a good person to ask about what's screwed up on the BGs where alliance doesn't win... |
| 05:59.14 | kadrahil | blizzard needs to fix that |
| 05:59.44 | Codayus | We just rush randomly, win ratio isn't too far from even, both teams get very similar bonus honor...games are in the oh, 10-15m duration. |
| 05:59.50 | kadrahil | i'm rerolling somewhere else because of the 2 hour queues |
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| 06:31.44 | Orionshock | is there a walk though or guide with making minimap buttons? |
| 06:34.01 | Orionshock | wtf is up with firefox not respecting my keyboard... don't want the fking " / " key to quick search... |
| 06:34.31 | Paene | Use Opera? :) |
| 06:34.48 | Orionshock | kill a ff dev.. |
| 06:35.02 | Paene | that works too |
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| 06:36.35 | ckknight | Orionshock: killing's wrong |
| 06:36.39 | ckknight | but torture has its merits. |
| 06:36.42 | Paene | lol |
| 06:36.48 | Orionshock | lol |
| 06:37.29 | Orionshock | ckknight: btw... did you see the plea for an Ace3'd version of fubarplugin? i LOL'ed at it |
| 06:37.35 | Orionshock | ..thought id share :D |
| 06:37.46 | ckknight | who pled for it? |
| 06:37.55 | Orionshock | yssaril |
| 06:38.26 | ckknight | oh |
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| 06:56.33 | CIA-4 | 037destiny * r58583 10LittleWigs/ (5 files in 3 dirs): LittleWigs: koKR Update |
| 06:58.27 | theoddone33 | http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weirddb3.jpg can't figure out what that guy's problem was |
| 07:02.28 | [SW]Dodge | mhm |
| 07:02.32 | [SW]Dodge | dont know :D |
| 07:03.09 | [SW]Dodge | but... what is that for an addon in bottom left? the "player target" thing :> |
| 07:04.02 | Grum | eavesdrop |
| 07:07.32 | Orionshock | [SW]Dodge: he's got his chat frame too far up... |
| 07:07.39 | Orionshock | what's the user reporting as being the problem? |
| 07:07.56 | Grum | yeah |
| 07:07.59 | Grum | i don't get it :P |
| 07:08.54 | Grum | but there is prolly a problem in the chat/party not really anything addon related |
| 07:13.13 | Arrowmaster | rofl i finally got annoyed enough and selected "Don't show this update again" for WMP11 in windowsupdate, so now WMP10 has appeared in its place |
| 07:14.40 | theoddone33 | oh he dropped group before the final boss |
| 07:14.43 | theoddone33 | couldn't figure out why |
| 07:14.48 | theoddone33 | wasn't a mod issue :( |
| 07:19.19 | Antiarc | http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2007/december/hellokittylens.jpg is about the best thing ever |
| 07:19.31 | Arrowmaster | old |
| 07:19.40 | Arrowmaster | but still great |
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| 07:24.04 | Antiarc | Ladies and gentlemen, the best post on the WoW forums ever: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773255173&sid=1 |
| 07:25.02 | Ellipsis | well with an introduction like that, how can I not click? |
| 07:25.15 | Grum | huge dissapointment :( |
| 07:26.16 | Antiarc | HOW DO I KEYBOARD TURN FASTER |
| 07:26.25 | Antiarc | Though really |
| 07:26.33 | Grum | wel, tbh, fps-games do have these options :P |
| 07:26.38 | Grum | cl_turnspeed in quake! +D |
| 07:26.40 | Antiarc | If you turn with your mouse, how are you supposed to click rend? |
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| 07:28.27 | Arrowmaster | i bet theres a cvar to do it, although it may or maynot be disabled by now |
| 07:33.56 | Silowyi | !c us whisperwind ephesian |
| 07:33.58 | ThraeBot | Silowyi: Ephesian, Level 70 Human Paladin (10/0/48). 9987 HP; 7293 Mana; 96 mana regen; 7 mp5; 9778 Armour; 1170 AP; 214.300 Melee DPS; 25.63% melee crit; 20 melee hit; 109 spell crit; 241 +spell dmg; 300 +heal; 5.49% dodge; 5.00% block; 289 resilience;[[ TBR: 1547 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytdnej ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vprkq ][ Updated: Wed Jan 16 02:41:01 2008 EST ]] |
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| 07:40.23 | [SW]Dodge | !c eu sen'jin alika |
| 07:41.10 | [SW]Dodge | !c eu sen'jin alika |
| 07:41.15 | [SW]Dodge | :( |
| 07:41.24 | ThraeBot | [SW]Dodge: alika is not the character you are looking for! |
| 07:41.26 | ThraeBot | [SW]Dodge: Alika, Level 23 Human Mage (0/0/14). 592 HP; 1666 Mana; 87 mana regen; 2 spell hit; 11 +spell dmg/heal; 4.63% dodge;[[ TBR: 147 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yujua9 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ptkf8 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 16 02:48:29 2008 EST ]] |
| 07:41.37 | [SW]Dodge | <3 |
| 07:41.49 | Ellipsis | 2 spell hit zomg |
| 07:41.50 | Ellipsis | OP! |
| 07:41.57 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 07:42.05 | [SW]Dodge | 11+dmg! :> |
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| 08:10.03 | xyu | anyone know of a way to reset oRA2 window positions, maintanks somehow got off my screen and i can't drag it back down |
| 08:10.13 | xyu | I've tried going to profiles and resetting profiles. |
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| 08:12.11 | Arrowmaster | its probably in layout-cache.txt if reseting the profile didnt do anything |
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| 08:14.10 | xyu | i got it, changed the scale to really small |
| 08:14.13 | xyu | then grabbed |
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| 08:48.52 | [SW]Dodge | damn |
| 08:48.55 | [SW]Dodge | server down |
| 08:48.57 | [SW]Dodge | all |
| 08:48.59 | [SW]Dodge | -.- |
| 08:49.17 | [SW]Dodge | hate maintenance ._. |
| 08:49.50 | si-m1 | read a book |
| 08:50.15 | si-m1 | go out for a walk |
| 08:50.20 | [SW]Dodge | dont have a book what i didnt read yet |
| 08:50.31 | [SW]Dodge | its below 0°C outside O.o |
| 08:50.41 | si-m1 | :) |
| 08:50.51 | si-m1 | go skiing |
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| 08:52.09 | [SW]Dodge | no snow :D |
| 08:53.14 | si-m1 | life is hard ;-) |
| 08:53.22 | [SW]Dodge | yea |
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| 08:55.38 | [SW]Dodge | yesterday i got an acc with a 70 mage to bomb my littl mage throu instances but i cant do it becous damn servers down. i cant do my homework since i miss some information to do them, no book to read, just trash in german TV in this time and if i sleep now i cant sleep tonight -.- >.< |
| 08:56.37 | Grum | watch pr0n? code addons? |
| 08:57.19 | [SW]Dodge | all prns i have are boring (i watched them often xP) |
| 08:58.04 | [SW]Dodge | and 1) i'm not so good in lua 2) dont have an aaddon idea (just a acebased duflike unitframe addon what is to hard for me xD) 3) i cant test them without running servers lol |
| 09:00.50 | ckknight | if you want a duf-like unit frame, PitBull's what I recommend :-P |
| 09:01.26 | [SW]Dodge | currently i use pitbull |
| 09:01.43 | [SW]Dodge | but is not duf-like enough :/ |
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| 09:03.50 | [SW]Dodge | in duf it is possible to position each part of the frame how i want. |
| 09:04.43 | [SW]Dodge | in pitbull i have just right, topright top topleft etc for my text positions in duf i can set it with coordinates |
| 09:06.31 | ckknight | PitBull is designed with more fluidity in mind |
| 09:06.31 | kebinusan | ckknight: I have a question, I think its pitbull anyway but the right click menu likes to disappear frequently if Im trying to do somethign while combat is going on or people join/leave the party |
| 09:06.44 | ckknight | hrm |
| 09:06.47 | ckknight | that seems odd |
| 09:06.56 | kebinusan | as in I have it up, it goes away, I have to bring it up again, repeat a few times until I can assign a raid target icon |
| 09:06.57 | kebinusan | for example |
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| 09:08.50 | HIghoS | That is the most satisfying feeling ever. |
| 09:09.16 | HIghoS | After spending like 2 months wiping to fast. Killing her last Sunday and then clearing all of SSC in ~4h, with only 1 wipe on her and then the kill. Awww. |
| 09:09.33 | Silowyi | who is "fast"? |
| 09:09.39 | HIghoS | her, typo :P |
| 09:09.50 | Silowyi | her... fast... |
| 09:09.56 | Silowyi | the keys are like RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER |
| 09:13.17 | Xinhuan | kebinusan, the default UI forces a menu close if the raid changes in any manner |
| 09:13.35 | Xinhuan | i.e party changed, someone dragged/left/joined |
| 09:13.46 | kebinusan | Xinhuan: ah, how annoying |
| 09:13.51 | kebinusan | any way to disable that |
| 09:14.10 | Xinhuan | not possible. this is because when a raid is changed, raid unitXX ids change |
| 09:14.16 | Xinhuan | and the menu has to be regenerated to be correct |
| 09:14.49 | kebinusan | ah well, amazed its taken me this long to get annoyed with it |
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| 09:15.04 | Xinhuan | trust me it gets worse when you're the master looter and its the last boss |
| 09:15.08 | Xinhuan | and half the ppl hearth and leave |
| 09:15.13 | kebinusan | yeah I know, and I am |
| 09:15.15 | Xinhuan | and you're trying to ML that purple to someone |
| 09:15.16 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 09:15.21 | kebinusan | makes dealing with CTRT a pain too |
| 09:15.48 | HIghoS | Are there any alternatives to CTRT? |
| 09:16.38 | Camma | Small question, Lyn & where trying to get Maneki in line, but we both failed. I was wondering did any off you guys get it hard coded? |
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| 09:21.49 | CIA-4 | 03scorpion * r58584 10Cryolysis2/Locales/ (Locale-zhCN.lua Locale-zhTW.lua): |
| 09:21.49 | CIA-4 | Cryolysis2: |
| 09:21.49 | CIA-4 | - update zhTW localization |
| 09:21.49 | CIA-4 | - update zhCN localization |
| 09:24.48 | Kalroth | Horrible addon name, how do you pronounce it? :P |
| 09:25.01 | Kalroth | (without eating your tongue) |
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| 09:26.25 | Gngsk | Cryolysis? |
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| 09:31.06 | Kalroth | yes |
| 09:32.55 | Cheads | cry-o-ly-sis I assume |
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| 09:37.56 | Zhinjio | Good evening, folks. |
| 09:38.26 | Grum | its morning! |
| 09:40.50 | capullo | good morning |
| 09:41.33 | theoddone33 | http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2237/wowscrnshot111007172042cw4.jpg |
| 09:41.42 | theoddone33 | prettiest UI I've seen in a long time |
| 09:41.46 | capullo | is there a way to send a message to a channel without flooding it? |
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| 09:44.06 | Ellipsis | er...sending one message isn't flooding it? |
| 09:44.16 | capullo | more of course |
| 09:44.26 | capullo | sorry for my bad english :P |
| 09:44.26 | Ellipsis | well...send them one at a time? |
| 09:44.37 | Ellipsis | or if it's a bit of code or error message or such, use pastey |
| 09:45.27 | xyu | the chat boxes in that UI seem so "out of place" i don't like it. |
| 09:45.35 | xyu | too much clutter for my taste ^^ |
| 09:45.47 | Fin | this is NOT GOOD ENOUGH! bad Englisch is VERBOTEN! we all hier are speaking der GOOD ENGLISCH! |
| 09:45.58 | Ellipsis | I'm not sure what the point of the skinner bottom frame is there...but yeah |
| 09:45.59 | capullo | du mich auch :P |
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| 09:47.43 | capullo | i get something like this: "The number of messages that can be sent to this channel is limited, please wait to send another message. " |
| 09:49.46 | Ellipsis | if you're pasting that many lines, just put it on pastey and send a link to it |
| 09:50.15 | capullo | this is only 1 line? |
| 09:50.25 | capullo | ok, whatever, nevermind |
| 09:50.54 | ckknight | Schlect Englisch ist verboten, Fin. Wir alle haben hier gut Englisch sprechen! |
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| 09:53.47 | Zhinjio | theoddone33, thats iss very pretty, and completely unusable from a UI design perspective. |
| 09:53.51 | Zhinjio | but yes... pretty it is. |
| 09:54.37 | Grum | nice UI but not up for raidleading :( |
| 09:54.42 | Megalon | ckknight: lucky you, bad german seems to be allowed :p |
| 09:54.44 | Grum | i wish anyone made an UI suitable for that :) |
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| 09:54.56 | Grum | we spank bad germans! |
| 09:54.58 | ckknight | bah |
| 09:55.01 | ckknight | it's been a while since I took German |
| 09:55.10 | ckknight | I see my mistakes now |
| 09:55.22 | ckknight | Schlecte instead of Schlect, etc. |
| 09:55.31 | Megalon | Schlechtes |
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| 09:56.14 | Megalon | anyways, it was better than i expected ;D |
| 09:58.09 | Zhinjio | the word order on the second sentence is not right, but thats fine points. heh |
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| 10:14.04 | Fin | schlechtes is such an awesome word |
| 10:16.17 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 10:16.25 | Ellipsis | Fin is a meanieface |
| 10:17.48 | Fin | I was the one wearing the braces! (for some of the time) |
| 10:18.01 | Fin | I'm an adult now, able to pick on people just like I've always wanted |
| 10:18.16 | Fin | or at least, think about it |
| 10:18.30 | Fin | a bit |
| 10:18.45 | Ellipsis | poopyhead |
| 10:18.54 | Fin | this is just like school |
| 10:19.04 | Fin | I never get to be the nasty kid |
| 10:19.34 | Fin | hooray |
| 10:19.39 | Ellipsis | I still think you're evil for teasing people with speech impediments...but that may be just because I have a lisp |
| 10:19.55 | Fin | I used to have a really pronounced lisp |
| 10:20.06 | Fin | and I didn't realise for years |
| 10:20.19 | Fin | oh no, sorry, it was a stutter |
| 10:20.46 | Fin | I was quite young, but I'd always stuttered, just one day I was with my dad and said "oops heh I stuttered" and he looked at me funny |
| 10:21.31 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 10:21.43 | Fin | what does that MEAN?!? |
| 10:21.56 | Fin | (the o.O thing) |
| 10:22.08 | Ellipsis | it's me making faces at you because I'm too lazy to respond properly |
| 10:22.46 | Fin | I don't like those faces! they don't convey a message I am ever capable of understanding in its entirety and it is confusing! |
| 10:23.24 | Fin | right that's it I'm doing some yoga! |
| 10:23.33 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 10:23.36 | Ellipsis | haha, sorry, that was mean |
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| 10:57.47 | Arrowmaster | http://www.break.com/index/dominos-with-1500-hard-drives.html |
| 10:58.07 | Arrowmaster | and with that im going to bed |
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| 11:01.27 | Grum | insane :P |
| 11:01.59 | Industrial | in 2v2 |
| 11:02.06 | Industrial | what class goes well with hunter? |
| 11:02.07 | Industrial | pally? |
| 11:02.11 | Ellipsis | rerolling |
| 11:02.12 | Ellipsis | :) |
| 11:02.14 | Industrial | asdf;lkjasdf |
| 11:02.19 | Industrial | stfu you OPOPlock :< |
| 11:02.23 | Ellipsis | <3 |
| 11:02.27 | Grum | hehe |
| 11:02.30 | Ellipsis | Industrial: you use MSBT, yes? |
| 11:02.33 | Industrial | I do |
| 11:02.36 | Ellipsis | two questions |
| 11:02.42 | Industrial | alright |
| 11:02.44 | Ellipsis | 1) how do I make it sexy like yours? |
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| 11:02.53 | Ellipsis | 2) can it do math and other fun things inside the strings to display? |
| 11:03.18 | Industrial | 1) use my font, place it in wow/Fonts (I can give you it when I get home (at school now)) |
| 11:03.25 | Industrial | 2) I have no idea lol :P |
| 11:03.42 | Zhinjio | what is msbt? |
| 11:04.04 | Industrial | 1.1) I made a separate output frame for my pet damage ouput right next to the player output so you can easily see whos doing what damage |
| 11:04.07 | Industrial | nice for hunter at least |
| 11:04.10 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 11:04.16 | Ellipsis | I'm planning to do mine similarly |
| 11:04.37 | Ellipsis | not so much for pet damage (as I rarely use a pet for damage) but seeing spell casts/resists/etc. would be nice |
| 11:04.49 | Industrial | hehe |
| 11:04.53 | [Ammo] | seduce duty?! |
| 11:04.59 | [Ammo] | seduce is a piece of shit spell for pve |
| 11:05.01 | Ellipsis | I don't raid... |
| 11:05.09 | Ellipsis | I'm still in heroics :( |
| 11:05.12 | [Ammo] | so? |
| 11:05.15 | [Ammo] | draintank em! |
| 11:05.18 | [Ammo] | burn burn burn |
| 11:05.21 | Industrial | Ellipsis: you can seduce me :p |
| 11:05.23 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 11:05.38 | Ellipsis | I normally ask the leader if I can chain-fear or drain-tank my target rather than seduce |
| 11:05.44 | Ellipsis | but they don't like that much :( |
| 11:05.46 | [Ammo] | don't ask |
| 11:05.47 | [Ammo] | just do |
| 11:05.49 | [Ammo] | and be pro |
| 11:05.51 | Ellipsis | Industrial: like I haven't been already, pfft ;D |
| 11:05.54 | Industrial | ;D |
| 11:05.58 | [Ammo] | if they say you can't /leaveparty |
| 11:06.10 | Ellipsis | I can't just ditch pugs like that |
| 11:06.11 | [Ammo] | you're a lock, you're supposed to be an elitist cunt |
| 11:06.18 | Ellipsis | if I ditched every crappy pug I'd have about 4 badges by now |
| 11:06.20 | Industrial | how does draintanking work? sap more hp then you receive and live? |
| 11:06.26 | [Ammo] | basically yeah |
| 11:06.33 | Ellipsis | yep |
| 11:06.35 | [Ammo] | added HoT or something from the healer and you're fine |
| 11:06.46 | Ellipsis | yeah, takes very little healing to help out (unless it's a boss) |
| 11:06.48 | [Ammo] | occassional fear with a welltimed CoR gives you a breather too |
| 11:06.58 | Ellipsis | though I have successfully tanked heroic bosses that way |
| 11:07.00 | [Ammo] | deathcoil for the OH SHIT moments |
| 11:07.06 | Ellipsis | yup |
| 11:07.10 | Industrial | i hate deathcoil in pvp :P |
| 11:07.10 | Ellipsis | also have your healthstones ready |
| 11:07.11 | Ellipsis | >_> |
| 11:07.12 | [Ammo] | and insta-aoefear if the shit hits the fan |
| 11:07.32 | [Ammo] | but once you're in T5 and higher don't bother |
| 11:07.37 | [Ammo] | let the tank tank em all and burn em |
| 11:07.43 | Ellipsis | if you're in T5 and higher you probably aren't aff |
| 11:07.46 | Industrial | almost 10k honor now, hope to get 15k today so I can get my second s1 piece >_> |
| 11:07.50 | [Ammo] | I'm affliction |
| 11:07.57 | [Ammo] | we usually have 2x malediction lock in the raid |
| 11:08.00 | Ellipsis | hence "probably" |
| 11:08.00 | [Ammo] | and 1 shadowembrace |
| 11:08.10 | Ellipsis | yeah, aff is still nice for utility |
| 11:08.12 | Industrial | Should I buy all of s1 first and then move on to arena, or can I supplement my s1 with arena gear? |
| 11:08.16 | Ellipsis | but big numbers...pew pew... :( |
| 11:08.20 | Industrial | I played 5 games and lost 5... |
| 11:08.24 | [Ammo] | it's awesome with improved seed of corr :) |
| 11:08.31 | [Ammo] | Mount Hyjal pewpew |
| 11:08.57 | [Ammo] | then again, I've been affliction since 11 feb 2005 :p |
| 11:09.06 | Zhinjio | what is msbt? |
| 11:09.11 | [Ammo] | miksscrollingbattletext |
| 11:09.17 | Zhinjio | aha |
| 11:09.28 | Zhinjio | parrot/sct replacement? |
| 11:09.38 | Ellipsis | along those lines, yeah |
| 11:09.39 | [Ammo] | yup, and superior to both |
| 11:09.55 | [Ammo] | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5153 |
| 11:09.58 | Zhinjio | hmm. |
| 11:10.25 | Ellipsis | here's a question for you [Ammo], how do you configure your MSBT so that your screen isn't and endless stream of spam? |
| 11:10.34 | [Ammo] | it isn't for me |
| 11:10.40 | [Ammo] | msbt combines most of the stuff |
| 11:10.47 | Ellipsis | I've found that I have trouble getting the right balance between not enough information and wall of dot ticks |
| 11:10.55 | [Ammo] | wall of dot ticks? |
| 11:10.56 | [Ammo] | it combines em |
| 11:11.00 | [Ammo] | mostly |
| 11:11.02 | Industrial | i ahte that, always turn it off |
| 11:11.06 | SunTsu | Industrial: AFAIK you may well mix s1 gear with s2 and s3 of the same type, you will still get the set bonus. |
| 11:11.25 | Zhinjio | how is it superior to parrot? parrot >> sct by a long shot, imho |
| 11:11.30 | Ellipsis | I tried throttling that but...meh...I like having the stream of spam as a quick and dirty check that my dots are still ticking on mobs I'm not targeting |
| 11:11.33 | Industrial | SunTsu: it was more a question about progression in gear. I get raped in 1500 rating arena right now with my green gear :P |
| 11:11.39 | Industrial | !c eu boulderfist seryan |
| 11:11.41 | ThraeBot | Industrial: Seryan, Level 70 Troll Hunter (41/20/0). 6608 HP; 5218 Mana; 79 mana regen; 3793 Armour; 1300 AP; 183.300 Melee DPS; 9.99% melee crit; 63 melee hit; 1245 RAP; 266.60 Ranged DPS; 16.11% ranged crit; 63 ranged hit; 9.24% dodge; 31 resilience;[[ TBR: 1204 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/25sr96 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3y5he5 ][ Updated: Wed Jan 16 06:18:45 2008 EST ]] |
| 11:12.24 | HIghoS | ^ coolest bot feature, ever... can I msg so it doesn't spam the channel? |
| 11:12.28 | Ellipsis | my best solution so far has been an out-of-the-way text area for dot spam, and then a separate section for actual nukes |
| 11:12.30 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: I have quartz for my dots |
| 11:12.39 | Industrial | Zhinjio: if that is what you think thats fine for you then :) I dont liek it at all |
| 11:12.43 | Ellipsis | right, but when you're dotting up multiple mobs? |
| 11:12.50 | Ellipsis | you just have a sense of how long they last, or...? |
| 11:12.55 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 11:12.57 | [Ammo] | like I said |
| 11:13.02 | [Ammo] | been affliction since feb 2005 |
| 11:13.07 | Ellipsis | fair enough |
| 11:13.27 | Industrial | SunTsu: basically what I do now is AVAVAVAV tog et some s1 gear (very slowly, my second piece today hopefully) |
| 11:13.28 | Zhinjio | well, thats why I'm asking... in what ways is msbt superior to parrot? |
| 11:13.34 | [Ammo] | 2 full dotted mobs means I can do 1 shadowbolt and have to apply on the first one again |
| 11:13.52 | [Ammo] | Zhinjio: it's more cpu friendly, less memory and same or superior featureset |
| 11:14.26 | Industrial | SunTsu: if I try to do AB/WSG I get raped lol :P people see someone not in a set and then Im already dead.. |
| 11:14.34 | Fin | in what ways is Parrot superior? |
| 11:14.44 | [Ammo] | msbt is superior |
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| 11:15.00 | Industrial | so dont tell Fisker- ok? |
| 11:15.02 | Industrial | ho shi- |
| 11:15.04 | Zhinjio | superior to sctd? Jesus, there's almost no comparison |
| 11:15.16 | [Ammo] | sct is the worst of em all |
| 11:15.25 | SunTsu | Industrial: In my opinion just get all the s1 gear you can get for your honor and if you are doing arena use it to complete your PVP equipment and slowly get more of the current arena gear |
| 11:15.25 | Fin | hmm |
| 11:15.36 | Zhinjio | right |
| 11:15.52 | Zhinjio | its got an edge over the ingame one, but not by alot. |
| 11:15.55 | Industrial | key |
| 11:16.03 | Matrix110 | msbt is good but cant configure it like i want so i use sct |
| 11:16.14 | [Ammo] | boggle |
| 11:16.18 | Zhinjio | no kidding |
| 11:16.23 | [Ammo] | msbt can mimick sct exactyly |
| 11:16.34 | Zhinjio | not that i'd want it to |
| 11:16.36 | Industrial | I wonder how you use sct :P |
| 11:16.45 | [Ammo] | sct is a spammy fucker |
| 11:16.53 | Matrix110 | not at all Oo |
| 11:16.56 | Zhinjio | alright, anyway, as interesting as this is. I need some sleep. Peace, y'all. |
| 11:17.04 | Industrial | really all I want is one number that is colored by damage type |
| 11:17.07 | [Ammo] | and drops my fps by a fuckton due to its shite coding |
| 11:17.07 | Matrix110 | but well you are a lock |
| 11:17.08 | Industrial | dont care for what spell etc |
| 11:17.28 | [Ammo] | I care for the spell, full name, I don't use icons however |
| 11:17.33 | [Ammo] | but I have the text scaled to tiny :p |
| 11:17.39 | Matrix110 | full name Oo |
| 11:17.42 | [Ammo] | and circling my character |
| 11:18.02 | SunTsu | I really like parrot, dig the way it sums up multiple hits and such. And I really love those triggers |
| 11:18.13 | [Ammo] | so when I'm in full dot rotation mode I have this incoming heals and outgoing damage rotating maelstrom of pewpew |
| 11:18.27 | [Ammo] | SunTsu: all stuff msbt had before that |
| 11:19.00 | [Ammo] | but to each their own |
| 11:19.08 | Ellipsis | hmm... |
| 11:19.09 | Matrix110 | I like spam when i AoE and with my normaly frostbolting there isnt spam |
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| 11:19.31 | Matrix110 | VE stuff and small hots just get filtered <300 |
| 11:19.40 | Fin | well, you've earned your commission Ammo, I'm reinstalling MSBT now |
| 11:19.50 | Industrial | I like the blizzard spam with AoE |
| 11:19.54 | Fin | I was always a fan of that addon, never had any horrible breakages with it |
| 11:19.54 | Industrial | its fun to watch |
| 11:20.00 | Industrial | especially on prot pally |
| 11:20.01 | Industrial | xF |
| 11:20.02 | SunTsu | Matrix110: You like spam in that case? I just like to be shown the summed upnumber and how many targets were hit |
| 11:20.02 | Industrial | xD |
| 11:20.03 | [Ammo] | I like the 15430 Seed of Corruption (8 hits 2 crits) etc |
| 11:20.14 | [Ammo] | same with my dots |
| 11:20.21 | [Ammo] | combine em up and send em out |
| 11:20.26 | Matrix110 | Rainbow and spam looks nice :P |
| 11:20.29 | Industrial | 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 |
| 11:20.35 | Fin | heheheh |
| 11:20.42 | [Ammo] | but I admit having the blizzard damage above mobs heads on too |
| 11:20.47 | [Ammo] | just to see them explode in pain |
| 11:20.50 | Industrial | hehe |
| 11:20.56 | [Ammo] | seed up 4-5 and then go BOOOOOM |
| 11:21.08 | Dezzimal | what is MSBT? |
| 11:21.15 | Matrix110 | it already a joke that you can have more than one seed up at the time |
| 11:21.18 | Dezzimal | what does it stand for I mean. |
| 11:21.28 | [Ammo] | Dezzimal: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5153 |
| 11:21.30 | Matrix110 | Miks Scrolling Battle Text |
| 11:22.14 | Dezzimal | ooh neat |
| 11:22.18 | Dezzimal | feature overview on stage6 |
| 11:22.21 | [Ammo] | yeah |
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| 11:25.54 | Fisker- | i hate my isp :o |
| 11:26.25 | [Ammo] | if it's any comfort fisker we hate you |
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| 11:27.51 | Fisker- | good |
| 11:27.59 | SunTsu | Fisker-: He might as well hate you, so you are on par |
| 11:29.07 | Industrial | ew, Fisker- |
| 11:29.23 | [Ammo] | good thing I swallowed a fork |
| 11:29.30 | Industrial | rofl |
| 11:29.37 | Industrial | drooog xD |
| 11:29.53 | Industrial | k bai goin home |
| 11:30.32 | Fisker- | i swallowed your mother |
| 11:30.42 | Ellipsis | how'd she taste? |
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| 11:34.24 | Matrix110 | [Ammo] how can you immitate Rainbow animation? |
| 11:34.36 | [Ammo] | dunno |
| 11:34.37 | Matrix110 | there is no way i see to do that in MSBT |
| 11:34.44 | [Ammo] | you could write your own |
| 11:35.02 | [Ammo] | the animations can be plugged in |
| 11:35.16 | Matrix110 | hmm maybe someone wrote smth like that already because i cant atleast :P |
| 11:41.06 | sb_ | why not using parrot Matrix110? |
| 11:41.34 | Matrix110 | trying atm but the config is awful :P |
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| 11:47.46 | Lukian | recommended antispam addons? |
| 11:48.55 | Xinhuan | parrot has a config mode just like msbt ;d |
| 11:49.02 | Xinhuan | they are about the same realy |
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| 11:49.57 | edelricsdse | hey howdy, anyone on today? |
| 11:50.59 | Lukian | Xinhuan, I don't suppose you've looked into the resource (cpu) usage of both? |
| 11:51.39 | edelricsdse | I had a bit of a weird thing going on tonight when we were killing Onyxia, Omen Threat meter from January 10th ... there were times that I (tank) was actually generating Negative Threat Per Sec ... |
| 11:51.46 | Xinhuan | nah i haven't |
| 11:51.57 | Antiarc | edelricsdse: I don't have a good module for Onyxia, I think |
| 11:52.13 | Antiarc | I'll see if I can scare one up if I manage to get time, btu Ony isn't really high on my priority list ;) |
| 11:52.32 | edelricsdse | completely understood |
| 11:52.50 | edelricsdse | I just thought it was awful weird |
| 11:54.08 | edelricsdse | well, we'll probably do her again next week, if I can help out by running a log or anything to feed the data to you, I'll be glad to help |
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| 11:58.09 | edelricsdse | of course, it might also be some blizz server issue, Ony spent phase 1 hiding in the whelp cave |
| 11:58.20 | Antiarc | Hehe, nice |
| 11:58.35 | Matrix110 | hmm not showing Spellnames at all doesnt work in Parrot or where is the option? |
| 11:59.04 | Matrix110 | Even 1 letter is to much! |
| 11:59.15 | Matrix110 | oh |
| 11:59.16 | Matrix110 | nvm |
| 11:59.17 | Matrix110 | found it |
| 11:59.22 | Matrix110 | just remove [Skill] from the events |
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| 12:02.52 | edelricsdse | anyway, I'm out... must say that I really enjoy Omen, keep up the good work |
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| 12:05.59 | Lukian | OMG |
| 12:06.05 | Lukian | That Whats addon is AWESOME. |
| 12:06.24 | Ellipsis | ? |
| 12:06.31 | Fisker- | I NEED TO PLAY WORLD OF WARCRAFT |
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| 12:06.53 | SunTsu | Fisker-: Let me guess, you can't login since you have caps switched on? |
| 12:07.08 | JoshBorke | passwords are case insensitive |
| 12:07.10 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 12:07.28 | Fisker- | so SunTsu just owned himself :( |
| 12:07.48 | Ellipsis | good lord, are they really? I just assumed Blizz wasn't that fail |
| 12:07.55 | Fisker- | old |
| 12:08.07 | Fisker- | i doubt it's nessecary anyways |
| 12:08.13 | Fisker- | but pretty silly |
| 12:08.23 | Ellipsis | wow |
| 12:08.24 | SunTsu | Fisker-: If that's so, Blizzard is the one who owned itself |
| 12:08.43 | Fisker- | ahahha |
| 12:08.45 | Fisker- | owned |
| 12:08.55 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 12:09.05 | Fisker- | that's stuff you learned within weeks of the launch if i recall correctly :P |
| 12:09.44 | Fisker- | atleast you didn't reinstall windows because your isp was a bunch of fags |
| 12:09.52 | Fisker- | all telia connections are fucked |
| 12:09.55 | Fisker- | i.e. no WoW for me |
| 12:10.30 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.08 | Lukian | hmm Grum my usual arc runs don't give anywhere near 2178 rep |
| 12:11.50 | Fisker- | i get 0 rep from arcatraz |
| 12:11.56 | Fisker- | BECAUSE I WAS EXALTED BEFORE I WENT THERE |
| 12:11.58 | Fisker- | BAWWW |
| 12:12.05 | Lukian | Fisker-, holy crap :p |
| 12:12.30 | Ellipsis | so, #wowace, I have a serious question for you |
| 12:12.41 | Ellipsis | I get these...urges sometimes |
| 12:12.41 | Fisker- | I was revered on the first run in botanica i think |
| 12:12.45 | Fisker- | then i only did heroics |
| 12:12.52 | Fisker- | and noone wanted to do arcatraz heroic |
| 12:12.56 | Fisker- | mostly mechanaar |
| 12:12.57 | Ellipsis | almost like I want to, say, kick Fisker- in the face. |
| 12:13.00 | Ellipsis | is this normal? |
| 12:13.04 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 12:13.06 | Fisker- | very |
| 12:13.12 | Ellipsis | ok, good |
| 12:13.15 | Ellipsis | just checking, thanks! |
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| 12:13.51 | CIA-4 | 03gagorian * r58585 10DrDamage/ (Data/Paladin.lua Melee.lua): |
| 12:13.51 | CIA-4 | DrDamage: |
| 12:13.51 | CIA-4 | - Paladin talent precision now also applies to spells |
| 12:13.51 | CIA-4 | - Fixed an issue where manually set mitigation double stacked in +1% hit calc |
| 12:14.38 | CIA-4 | 03kagaro * r58586 10/branches/GatherMate/Config.lua: added a header line |
| 12:15.19 | kagaro | sup |
| 12:15.31 | Stanzilla | morning |
| 12:15.34 | Xinhuan | trying to kill archi |
| 12:15.59 | kagaro | We hit our normal cockblock in Kael |
| 12:16.10 | Stanzilla | our archi tries get noobier and noobier from kill to kill |
| 12:16.33 | kagaro | Stanzilla: so memory looks good in gathermate to you ? |
| 12:16.37 | Stanzilla | last time we spent 2 hours on him |
| 12:16.45 | Stanzilla | kagaro: yes, looks good |
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| 12:16.56 | kagaro | I would guess well spend the rest of the week on kael agin .. |
| 12:17.17 | kagaro | I still think its not as optimal as it can be |
| 12:17.46 | Stanzilla | what's wrong? till which phase to you get? |
| 12:18.00 | kagaro | Phase 3 |
| 12:18.01 | Stanzilla | to=do wtf |
| 12:18.07 | kagaro | We never bring enough dps for the weapons |
| 12:18.17 | Stanzilla | oh |
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| 12:18.39 | kagaro | we need to recruit more locks or something |
| 12:18.41 | daved | quick question.. is there something similar to a sleep() in wow api? |
| 12:19.13 | daved | im trying to do some fiddling with auction house queries and i need to do something sane while waiting for CanSendAuctionQuery() to return true |
| 12:19.19 | SunTsu | .o0( /sleep? *ducks and runs away* ) |
| 12:20.03 | daved | i also havent been able to find an event that fires when it's ok to send another one |
| 12:20.13 | kagaro | Stanzilla you know you see less mem usage than I do, but dunno why |
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| 12:20.42 | Stanzilla | around 400kib usually |
| 12:20.47 | daved | is this the wrong place to be asking this type of question? |
| 12:21.05 | daved | i was under the impression this was a mod developers' channel |
| 12:21.34 | nevcairiel | daved: there is no way to sleep your code, you need to track the time yourself. use OnUpdate for timers, or a timer library |
| 12:22.10 | daved | happen to know the name of a good timer library offhand? |
| 12:22.51 | kagaro | grrr, I *HAVE* to go into the office today , no work at home .. *grumbles about conf cals* |
| 12:23.20 | nevcairiel | If you use Ace2 already, use AceEvent, if you dont .. well i would recommend AceTimer-3.0 .. but its not been released :) |
| 12:23.25 | kagaro | daved AceTimer ? |
| 12:23.45 | Polarina | WTF!?! On Lua's mailing list, there's a post there from Rob Barris <rbarris@blizzard.com> o.O |
| 12:23.56 | daved | well, so far my mod is a slash command and 2 prints to DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME, looks like i'm heading for bigger playing fields :P |
| 12:24.34 | vithos | Polarina: what's the big deal? |
| 12:24.49 | Polarina | vithos: I was supprised... |
| 12:25.05 | kagaro | Blizz posts on apples dev lists all the time |
| 12:25.25 | vithos | Polarina: i got that much, but why :P |
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| 12:26.31 | Lukian | Kivin, fresh install of KivinSpamGuard - english.lua:3: attempt to call method 'AddFilters' (a nil value) |
| 12:26.50 | Polarina | vithos: I was reading the mailing list in my inbox and then I noticed that email address in the summary (Ending at @blizzard.com). I was like, why I got a email from Blizzard? Account warning? Then I noticed it was from the Lua mailing list... |
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| 12:27.38 | vithos | ah, i see |
| 12:28.24 | Fisker- | eww he\s associated with macs |
| 12:28.27 | Polarina | vithos: That person was answering someones question about a crash with sqllite binding in Lua on Mac OS X. |
| 12:28.27 | Fisker- | he's* |
| 12:30.20 | Dezzimal | what I really want in an SCT mod would be the ability to filter everything from the blizzard SCT except for the damage popping up over my targets head |
| 12:30.30 | Dezzimal | but aparently no matter what I can't filter out my own heals from VE |
| 12:31.25 | Ellipsis | ...interface options, uncheck healing? |
| 12:31.34 | Dezzimal | still persists for some reason :/ |
| 12:31.51 | Dezzimal | it filters my outgoing heals |
| 12:32.09 | Dezzimal | but the heals that originate from and land on me don't go away |
| 12:33.14 | kagaro | back in a few hours gota hit traffic nightmare |
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| 12:33.49 | Matrix110 | hmmmm regarding AceTimer-3.0 is there anything similiar to isScheduled("ID") ? cant find it in the .lua :-( |
| 12:34.25 | Matrix110 | oh nvm found it |
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| 12:36.06 | Xinhuan | archi down, crap loot |
| 12:36.13 | Matrix110 | gz |
| 12:36.24 | cncfanatics | yo peeps |
| 12:36.25 | Xinhuan | time for a za run |
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| 12:40.56 | vithos | i wish all addons had their dependencies set right |
| 12:41.22 | vithos | so annoying reading through 500 errors in bugsack looking for missing libs over and over |
| 12:42.26 | Xinhuan | only have to read the first error |
| 12:42.30 | Xinhuan | the rest are cascaded errors |
| 12:42.51 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: what dropped? |
| 12:42.58 | Xinhuan | some crap |
| 12:43.04 | Stanzilla | healing staff? |
| 12:43.12 | Xinhuan | Savior's Grasp (Avengerinc), Leggings of Eternity (Velocita), Helm of the Forgotten Vanquisher (Puputata), Helm of the Forgotten Conqueror (Holyseeker) | Nightblade |
| 12:43.14 | Xinhuan | something like that |
| 12:43.22 | Stanzilla | kk |
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| 12:43.59 | JoshBorke | Xinhuan: gathermate is still broken :-P |
| 12:44.10 | Xinhuan | argh bug kagaro about it |
| 12:44.16 | JoshBorke | :-P |
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| 12:50.50 | vithos | Xinhuan: the first error is BigWigs\Plugins\BossBlock.lua:242: attempt to index global 'BigWigs' (a nil value) |
| 12:51.07 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 12:51.11 | Kerafyrm | thats what i said |
| 12:51.42 | vithos | so yeah, i'm hitting Next a lot in bugsack :( |
| 12:52.08 | [Ammo] | Xinhuan: we had a paladin only Archi this week |
| 12:52.20 | [Ammo] | pally chestplate, pally shield, pally helm and another helm :p |
| 12:52.23 | Xinhuan | hahahaha |
| 12:53.23 | JoshBorke | Xinhuan: when you gonna port routes to GatherMate? |
| 12:53.31 | Xinhuan | when gathermate is stable |
| 12:53.35 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 12:53.40 | [Ammo] | database format should be stable |
| 12:53.57 | Xinhuan | yeah, but i still want to finish up the last bit of wowequip |
| 12:54.17 | Xinhuan | there's a few loose ends, i haven't localized any talent names, i need to fix the armor calculation since +armor% talents dont' count in ecnhants |
| 12:55.01 | Xinhuan | and i'll have to do those localization a bit manually since there's no babble-talents |
| 12:55.26 | Xinhuan | and babble-spell only contains half the talents |
| 12:55.31 | JoshBorke | just tell everyone to send you a diff |
| 12:55.39 | JoshBorke | it's easier that way :-D |
| 12:55.48 | Xinhuan | nah, i mean i have to localize the actual text in english to english |
| 12:55.54 | Xinhuan | by putting them in the enUS file |
| 12:55.57 | Xinhuan | ~_~ |
| 12:55.57 | purl | :/ |
| 12:56.20 | JoshBorke | i could do that |
| 12:56.26 | JoshBorke | it's actually pretty easy using grep |
| 12:56.30 | Xinhuan | i'll probably want to rewrite the whole damn thing into 5 files instead of the current 4.2k line giant wowequip.lua |
| 12:56.40 | Xinhuan | the enUS file is another 2k lines |
| 12:56.46 | Xinhuan | and the data file is another 2k lines |
| 12:57.23 | Xinhuan | i kinda fucked up the namespacing from bad initial design so i've got heaps of globals |
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| 12:58.27 | Xinhuan | ok za run cancelled, no tank wants to go zzz |
| 12:58.50 | vithos | :/ |
| 12:59.00 | vithos | have you been able to get to the 4th chest? |
| 12:59.08 | vithos | it doesn't add time for us after the 3rd |
| 12:59.19 | Xinhuan | only the bear boss and eagle boss adds time |
| 12:59.19 | JoshBorke | i heard it's not suposed to |
| 12:59.29 | Xinhuan | bear adds 20, eagle adds 15 |
| 12:59.34 | Xinhuan | the other 2 doesn't add any |
| 12:59.48 | Xinhuan | so in total, you have 55 min to kill all 4 |
| 13:00.06 | JoshBorke | epic battle! |
| 13:00.08 | Xinhuan | and bear/eagle must be your first 2 |
| 13:00.31 | vithos | we do eagle, bear, dragonhawk, lynx |
| 13:00.40 | vithos | and have 4 minutes after dragonhawk |
| 13:00.57 | JoshBorke | pull faster |
| 13:01.02 | [Ammo] | Xinhuan: it seems broken though |
| 13:01.08 | [Ammo] | we don't get time added usually |
| 13:01.17 | Xinhuan | that's mainly because the silly time doesn't "ADD" time |
| 13:01.24 | [Ammo] | kill bear with 3 mins spare -> timer starts at 17 mins |
| 13:01.25 | Xinhuan | it just "resets" it to the 20 min or 15 min mark |
| 13:01.29 | Xinhuan | which is pretty dumb |
| 13:01.42 | vithos | ah. |
| 13:01.45 | Xinhuan | yeah there's something funky with it |
| 13:02.01 | [Ammo] | it's bugged is what it is |
| 13:02.33 | [Ammo] | but EU blizzard support is so imba 'working as intended' |
| 13:02.50 | [Ammo] | or just a standard 'you're talking out of your ass quit bothering us' GM reply |
| 13:03.25 | Fisker- | isn't broken for US i heard |
| 13:03.28 | vithos | hmm.. how much time do you have initially? |
| 13:03.32 | [Ammo] | 20 mins |
| 13:03.33 | Fisker- | 20 mins |
| 13:03.33 | vithos | i'm US |
| 13:03.39 | Fisker- | it keeps reducing all the time btw |
| 13:03.43 | [Ammo] | yup |
| 13:03.45 | Fisker- | first it's 17 then it's 13 i believe |
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| 13:05.08 | Fisker- | perhaps you should post on the in-game customer support forums rawr |
| 13:05.20 | Fisker- | better than your standard GM's |
| 13:05.36 | [Ammo] | GMs usually fail at their responses |
| 13:05.52 | [Ammo] | 'remove all addons and delete wtf, then try ZA again see if the time is correct' |
| 13:06.43 | Fisker- | yeah that's pretty annoying |
| 13:06.50 | Fisker- | I had a bug with heroic sticking |
| 13:07.04 | Fisker- | 3 Different computers, all with, without or after repairing had the same problem |
| 13:07.20 | vithos | "tap Z or R twice to do a reload ui" |
| 13:07.24 | Fisker- | So when i went to contact them for the 4th time it didn't appear anymore |
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| 13:09.23 | Lukian | hahah mage just de'ed something and it took 68secs for the shard to appear |
| 13:09.33 | exor674 | heh |
| 13:09.54 | exor674 | once I had a prospecting problem where I could only prospect off 2 times before I had to relog |
| 13:10.22 | exor674 | probably a coincidence, but I opened a GM ticket, and they were all "Lol, Addons/WTF" |
| 13:10.45 | SunTsu | I recently de'ed smth which I did not want to. Asked a GM to revert it and the mailed me the Item I de'ed and let me keep the shards from it |
| 13:10.55 | exor674 | but after the ticket closed I prospected off like 3 *stacks* without problem |
| 13:12.14 | RaydenUni | you guys ever read http://blogs.parc.com/playon ?? |
| 13:13.45 | daved | does anyone know what unit of time is used for delay in AceEvent-2.0:ScheduleEvent ? |
| 13:14.07 | [Ammo] | seconds |
| 13:15.50 | daved | thanks |
| 13:17.50 | Dezzimal | ZA you have something like 45 mins to do the first 4 bosses total |
| 13:17.51 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs02/image005.html |
| 13:17.56 | RaydenUni | why does this spike every 10 levels? |
| 13:18.08 | RaydenUni | people find X0 is an accomplishment and often stop after hitting it? |
| 13:18.33 | RaydenUni | i'd think x9 would be high because of twinks |
| 13:18.57 | Dezzimal | you start with 20 mins, get 15 10 and then Zero |
| 13:19.04 | Dezzimal | for killing each successive boss |
| 13:19.37 | Dezzimal | some people think the timers are incorrect but really they're not |
| 13:19.45 | Dezzimal | you don't get an extension for that 3rd boss |
| 13:20.07 | Dezzimal | and any afk time while the timer is running is fatal |
| 13:20.24 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs02/image001.html <-- lvl 39 takes the longest relatively of any level |
| 13:20.38 | RaydenUni | interesting stuff |
| 13:20.54 | Dezzimal | did you catch all that Xinhuan? |
| 13:21.00 | [Ammo] | Dezzimal: so you get 15 mins for boss 1, 10 for 2 and then 0 for 3? |
| 13:21.03 | [Ammo] | or 5 for 3? |
| 13:21.12 | CIA-8 | 03bethink * r58588 10Analyst/ (15 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:21.12 | CIA-8 | Analyst: |
| 13:21.12 | CIA-8 | - Initial import |
| 13:21.19 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 13:21.29 | Dezzimal | you get 45 minutes total basically |
| 13:21.32 | Dezzimal | easiest way to think about it |
| 13:21.50 | Dezzimal | zero on the 3rd boss |
| 13:22.20 | Xinhuan | its just very very very difficult |
| 13:22.22 | Dezzimal | start with 20, get 15 added for killing first boss, 10 added for second |
| 13:22.33 | Fisker- | where's the wau publish site rarw? |
| 13:22.34 | Fisker- | rawr |
| 13:22.35 | Dezzimal | and whatever you have left is what you have to kill the 3rd and fourth with |
| 13:22.48 | Dezzimal | so you really want to be dropping bear boss with like 10-12 mins on the clock |
| 13:23.15 | zacw | doing timed runs, we do eagle -> bear -> dragonhawk -> lynx and generally end with ~5 minutes left on the timer. It's pretty fun. |
| 13:23.35 | Dezzimal | I can't ever get a group of mains for ZA :( |
| 13:23.41 | Dezzimal | its all about gearing up your alt |
| 13:23.42 | Fisker- | ? |
| 13:23.52 | Fisker- | Thought you had to do it bear->eagle->dragonhawk->Lynx :o |
| 13:23.59 | Dezzimal | no you can go in any order |
| 13:24.10 | Dezzimal | any bosskill will add to your timer |
| 13:24.27 | Industrial | hm |
| 13:24.36 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs01/image013.html |
| 13:25.07 | Fisker- | wuts that? |
| 13:25.20 | Industrial | im listing all my abilities and things I need to do with an actionbar with my beastmaster hunter, kind of alot :< |
| 13:25.20 | Dezzimal | I think you're seeing twinks there RaydenUni |
| 13:25.25 | Industrial | http://pastebin.com/m7f8e8782 |
| 13:25.31 | RaydenUni | for what Dezzimal ? |
| 13:25.36 | Dezzimal | played time |
| 13:25.45 | RaydenUni | which graph? |
| 13:25.47 | Dezzimal | level 39 is a fairly popular twink bracket too ya know |
| 13:25.51 | Dezzimal | [07:20] <RaydenUni> http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs02/image001.html <-- lvl 39 takes the longest relatively of any level |
| 13:26.02 | RaydenUni | hold one moment |
| 13:26.30 | Industrial | did I miss anything ? :P |
| 13:26.58 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs02/image003.html |
| 13:27.03 | RaydenUni | doesn't match with that graph Dezzimal |
| 13:27.13 | RaydenUni | level distribution drops at 39 and picks up at 40 |
| 13:27.21 | RaydenUni | picks up every 10 levels |
| 13:27.29 | RaydenUni | which doesn't make sense considering twinks |
| 13:27.33 | SunTsu | RaydenUni: In my personal experience the first level in the 50s take the longest. After passing lvl55 it really starts to run |
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| 13:27.42 | RaydenUni | although this data is old so i don't knwo what the twink situation was there |
| 13:27.52 | CIA-8 | 03bethink * r58589 10Analyst/ (. Analyst.toc): |
| 13:27.52 | CIA-8 | Analyst: |
| 13:27.52 | CIA-8 | - Added externals |
| 13:27.52 | CIA-8 | - Updated version in TOC |
| 13:27.58 | RaydenUni | 39-40 play time makes sense because you get a mount |
| 13:28.02 | Industrial | 19 should be way way higher :P |
| 13:28.14 | RaydenUni | this was done in 2005 |
| 13:28.18 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2005/06/index.html |
| 13:28.38 | Dezzimal | http://www.nickyee.com/python/guildname/generator.py oh wow |
| 13:28.47 | Dezzimal | no it'd make more sense for 40 to be longer RaydenUni |
| 13:28.53 | RaydenUni | why? |
| 13:28.55 | Dezzimal | since thats when you actually have to haul your ass to wherever |
| 13:28.56 | Dezzimal | to buy it |
| 13:29.16 | RaydenUni | that's not really a significant period of time... |
| 13:29.26 | Dezzimal | plenty of people stop at level 39 to twink out |
| 13:29.30 | Dezzimal | and stay at that level to battleground |
| 13:29.46 | RaydenUni | yeah but the graph doesn't show an increase in lvl 39's |
| 13:29.49 | RaydenUni | which is weird |
| 13:29.56 | RaydenUni | oh wait |
| 13:30.00 | RaydenUni | when were battlegrounds added? |
| 13:30.01 | RaydenUni | heh |
| 13:30.05 | RaydenUni | not 2005 i'd guess |
| 13:31.16 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs04/image015.html <-- that goes with what you were saying |
| 13:31.19 | RaydenUni | longer time for lvl 40 |
| 13:31.29 | RaydenUni | doesn't seem to match with the previuos graph |
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| 13:32.02 | Dezzimal | if you can see the slight upward spikes on the x9 levels |
| 13:32.13 | Ellipsis | pre-bg wouldn't the primary motivation for slowing down your leveling at 38-39 be saving up for a mount? |
| 13:32.15 | Dezzimal | that definitely lends itself to twinking |
| 13:32.22 | Ellipsis | more farming and less leveling? |
| 13:32.27 | Dezzimal | possibly :/ |
| 13:32.46 | Dezzimal | I guess beyond my first character I've never really had to save for a mount lol |
| 13:33.03 | Dezzimal | hell my current character is going to level into an epic flyer >_> |
| 13:33.07 | Ellipsis | yes but back then most of the chars weren't alts of veteran players |
| 13:33.17 | Dezzimal | old data is old |
| 13:33.18 | Dezzimal | then |
| 13:33.28 | Ellipsis | no wai! |
| 13:34.33 | RaydenUni | yeah, i'm not sure this old data is really useful |
| 13:34.33 | SunTsu | .o0( I have to save because with 4 chars all hitting 60 during a single week the costs of epic mounts will sum up ) |
| 13:34.37 | RaydenUni | i'm just reading to catch up on it |
| 13:34.45 | RaydenUni | http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2004/03/the_dunbar_numb.html |
| 13:34.47 | RaydenUni | dunbar number! |
| 13:35.19 | Ellipsis | RaydenUni: you might find this site interesting if you haven't seen it before - http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/ |
| 13:35.28 | RaydenUni | yeah i have |
| 13:36.51 | RaydenUni | little different twist than what i'm looking at/for though |
| 13:37.51 | *** part/#wowace Camma (n=Timmy@p3EE26288.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:38.20 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs04/image011.html <-- druids taking the longest time to level? |
| 13:38.22 | RaydenUni | why would that be? |
| 13:38.36 | RaydenUni | and hunters 3rd longest |
| 13:38.40 | RaydenUni | that doesn't make any sense at all |
| 13:39.28 | Ellipsis | well, think about it, which classes are most desired in leveling pugs? |
| 13:39.31 | Ellipsis | nobody wants a huntard :P |
| 13:39.35 | RaydenUni | "At first we thought this may be a difference in DPS and downtime (which could make sense for shamans and mages compared with druids), but the priests throw us off. So it may be a combination of efficiency (DPS) and demand in groups that yield high XP." |
| 13:39.53 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2005/07/leveling_time_b.html#comments |
| 13:40.14 | RaydenUni | "In fact, we know that this effect is not being driven by group ratio because Druids group almost just as much as Priests." |
| 13:40.25 | RaydenUni | so druids group as often as priests, but perhaps not in dungeons? |
| 13:41.02 | Ellipsis | druids with leveling spec/gear are less useful to the party, I'd guess? |
| 13:41.20 | Ellipsis | priests tend to hang on to a healing set just in case, druids not so much? |
| 13:41.30 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs04/image001.html |
| 13:41.31 | RaydenUni | lol |
| 13:41.49 | RaydenUni | leveling time is consistently lower for odd levels than even levels "so close to getting new spells, must hurry!" |
| 13:42.31 | Ozguli` | what's that 39 jump? |
| 13:42.32 | kenlyric | one of the major reasons that TBC levels were doubled up so you get spells every level, I imagine. :) |
| 13:43.24 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs06/image017.html |
| 13:43.26 | RaydenUni | zone population |
| 13:44.05 | RaydenUni | people are really excited about their mount so they go from 39-40 quickly? |
| 13:44.08 | Ellipsis | at what time of day? |
| 13:44.10 | RaydenUni | not sure why 40 jumps up so high though |
| 13:44.18 | RaydenUni | Sampling Period: 7/05/2005 12:00 am - 7/12/2005 12:00 am |
| 13:44.25 | Ellipsis | hm |
| 13:44.35 | RaydenUni | Parsing Method: We parsed the number of characters in each zone. Characters just passing through (seen for only one snapshot and not the next are not counted). Characters who were in 2 zones in an hour had both zones counted. |
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| 13:44.45 | RaydenUni | Sampling Resolution: ~14 minutes |
| 13:44.50 | Ellipsis | ah |
| 13:45.00 | Ellipsis | explains why things are a bit odd then |
| 13:45.43 | RaydenUni | ? |
| 13:45.47 | Dezzimal | wow over 100 in the barrens |
| 13:46.07 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs06/image001.html |
| 13:46.37 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs06/image003.html |
| 13:46.43 | RaydenUni | ironforge wins |
| 13:46.50 | Ellipsis | duh |
| 13:46.53 | RaydenUni | TB and darn loses |
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| 13:47.14 | exor674 | ... on http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs06/image017.html -- what is that island in the iddle of the sea? |
| 13:47.25 | Dezzimal | its not anything |
| 13:47.34 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs06/image007.html <-- really only Molten Core fluctuates with time |
| 13:47.44 | MoonWolf | undermine |
| 13:48.16 | Ellipsis | ony does too, RaydenUni...it's just harder to see on there because it's smaller overall |
| 13:48.22 | Dezzimal | probably because there aren't any other raid instances |
| 13:48.52 | RaydenUni | i don't see onyxia fluctuating at all... |
| 13:48.55 | Dezzimal | ony's lair does too though |
| 13:49.14 | RaydenUni | SM is played most often during off hours |
| 13:49.15 | Dezzimal | its right above MC |
| 13:49.25 | RaydenUni | oh i was looking at deadmines |
| 13:49.27 | RaydenUni | stupid colors |
| 13:49.44 | RaydenUni | reversed order |
| 13:50.08 | MoonWolf | how old is the graph ? |
| 13:50.55 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs06/image029.html |
| 13:50.57 | RaydenUni | mid 2005 |
| 13:51.03 | RaydenUni | fastest leveling |
| 13:51.39 | RaydenUni | so even the fastest levels take significantly longer to do lvl 40 |
| 13:51.53 | Ozguli` | but why? |
| 13:52.18 | RaydenUni | worse quests? |
| 13:52.24 | RaydenUni | STV still sucks with a mount |
| 13:52.25 | RaydenUni | not sure |
| 13:52.32 | RaydenUni | the posts aren't making any conclusions |
| 13:52.35 | RaydenUni | only posting data |
| 13:52.58 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs06/image039.html |
| 13:53.15 | RaydenUni | this has to be obsolete |
| 13:53.20 | RaydenUni | warriors as the fastest levelers? |
| 13:53.33 | Ozguli` | with lots of food and bandages |
| 13:53.41 | Ozguli` | fury spec solo grind, they're killing machines |
| 13:53.46 | MoonWolf | rogue should be lower on that |
| 13:53.51 | Ellipsis | s/food and bandages/60 healer on autofollow/ |
| 13:53.58 | CIA-8 | 03bethink * r58590 10Analyst/ (Analyst.toc release_notes.txt): |
| 13:53.58 | CIA-8 | Analyst: |
| 13:53.58 | CIA-8 | - Updated version to 1.0.0 |
| 13:54.02 | RaydenUni | i thought hunters were the fastest |
| 13:54.08 | Ozguli` | rogues kill slow, have short downtime |
| 13:54.13 | Ellipsis | hunters are the most efficient solo levelers |
| 13:54.15 | RaydenUni | rogues kill slow? |
| 13:54.23 | Ozguli` | kind of |
| 13:54.29 | Ellipsis | ?! |
| 13:54.31 | Ozguli` | unless you want to take heavy damage |
| 13:54.40 | MoonWolf | kill slow |
| 13:54.42 | Ellipsis | the whole point of a rogue is kill them before they kill you |
| 13:54.44 | MoonWolf | never noticed that on my rogue. |
| 13:54.46 | RaydenUni | yeah explain |
| 13:55.07 | MoonWolf | untill lvl 40 i won't usually even generate more then 4 combo points |
| 13:55.13 | Ozguli` | you can dps stuff down fast, but in that case you won't be using that much stuns and such -> more damage to you |
| 13:55.13 | MoonWolf | they die on the 4 point evics |
| 13:55.23 | MoonWolf | (unless they dodge, parry or otherwise negate it) |
| 13:55.38 | RaydenUni | ambush, SS, SS, SS, eviscerate dead |
| 13:55.42 | MoonWolf | Ozguli`, not so much that you won't be able to bandage it. |
| 13:55.50 | Ozguli` | hmm, might be |
| 13:56.06 | RaydenUni | that's way faster than with my arms warrior |
| 13:56.08 | Ozguli` | it's been some time since I leveled the rogue |
| 13:56.19 | Ozguli` | but spriests have it easy |
| 13:56.23 | RaydenUni | although my warrior can kill like 10 guys before he has to heal |
| 13:56.36 | RaydenUni | i dont get why druids are slow on that graph |
| 13:56.41 | Ozguli` | bubble, dotdotdot maybe mind flay x? and wand |
| 13:56.51 | RaydenUni | i haven't grouped with a rogue lately but my druid can dish out the damage and then heal himself whenever he wants |
| 13:57.03 | RaydenUni | Ozguli` i don't tend to bubble when i solo only because it uses too much mana |
| 13:57.08 | RaydenUni | although i guess before you get VE you need to |
| 13:57.14 | Ozguli` | yea |
| 13:57.23 | Ozguli` | but I used it to negate spell pushback |
| 13:57.27 | RaydenUni | and the rotation is MB, MFX2, wand to death |
| 13:57.31 | Ozguli` | didn't have too much mana problems anyway |
| 13:57.32 | RaydenUni | er |
| 13:57.39 | RaydenUni | MB, SWP, MFx2, wand to death |
| 13:57.40 | Ozguli` | mind flay |
| 13:57.59 | RaydenUni | with spirit tap you almost never run out of mana |
| 13:58.02 | cncfanatics | is there an addon that lists the patterns you miss and tells you where to get em ? |
| 13:58.07 | Ozguli` | vamp embrace, sw:p, lolshards, mf and search next target |
| 13:58.29 | Ozguli` | but that's only after 50 |
| 13:58.30 | kenlyric | you know, if that page was recording alliance, it's bound to be skewed when looking at shaman. |
| 13:58.33 | Ozguli` | before that MB as opener |
| 13:58.38 | kenlyric | nvm, from 2005. |
| 13:58.56 | RaydenUni | Ozguli` on my 70 i VT, SWP, VE, MF, wand |
| 13:59.06 | RaydenUni | lvl 70 stuff is fast enough i can't get off 2 MF unfortunately |
| 13:59.07 | Ellipsis | welcome to the conversation kenlyric - would you like a quick review of what we've gone over? |
| 13:59.18 | RaydenUni | kenlyric :P |
| 13:59.20 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: NO MA'AM! |
| 13:59.24 | Ellipsis | primarily: [5:33:48 am] <Dezzimal> old data is old |
| 13:59.39 | Ozguli` | on my 70 I do holy fire, (maybe lolshards) smite smite (smite) wand or trust that reflective shield holds long enough |
| 13:59.43 | RaydenUni | kenlyric they addressed shaman/pally stats in some areas by seperating alliance and horde |
| 13:59.52 | kenlyric | Ozguli`: you forgot seven smites |
| 13:59.55 | RaydenUni | kenlyric http://blogs.parc.com |
| 14:00.04 | RaydenUni | i haven't actually grinded in a while |
| 14:00.07 | kenlyric | RaydenUni: old data is old, as indicated. |
| 14:00.10 | Ozguli` | kenlyric 1k normal 1.7k crit even with crap gear |
| 14:00.12 | RaydenUni | wonder how fast i'd kill stuff now that i have awesome damage |
| 14:00.21 | Ellipsis | l2farmaslock |
| 14:00.44 | Ellipsis | tab-dot-dot-dot-tab-dot-dot-dot-tap-tab-dot-dot-dot |
| 14:01.02 | RaydenUni | http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001366.php http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2005/11/rate_of_advance_2.html#comments |
| 14:01.06 | RaydenUni | rate of advancement based on class |
| 14:01.17 | RaydenUni | directly relates to the daedelus project on why people choose horder vs alliance |
| 14:01.19 | RaydenUni | at least at the time |
| 14:01.33 | Ellipsis | because pallies are lolslow but horde is lolugly? |
| 14:01.36 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 14:02.37 | RaydenUni | man druids got the shaft in 2005 |
| 14:02.44 | Dezzimal | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Marthastewrt what should I buy with the 2500 arena points I have rotting :/ |
| 14:03.15 | RaydenUni | give them to meeee |
| 14:03.25 | Ozguli` | Dezzimal get equipcompare and see what benefits you most |
| 14:03.51 | kenlyric | horde level faster because they are outnumbered and need to get to max level faster :) |
| 14:04.14 | Ellipsis | horde level faster because alliance are noobs. |
| 14:05.13 | RaydenUni | priests are the most social class |
| 14:05.17 | Dezzimal | that involves me having a will of my own |
| 14:05.25 | Ozguli` | btw |
| 14:05.27 | Ozguli` | DRAENEI WARRIOR! |
| 14:05.28 | Dezzimal | I'd rather have other people determine what I buy |
| 14:05.31 | Ozguli` | imagine that |
| 14:05.31 | RaydenUni | paladins are the liest... |
| 14:05.33 | RaydenUni | least |
| 14:05.40 | RaydenUni | wow that was horrible spelling |
| 14:05.41 | Ellipsis | Dezzimal: imo, you should buy me candy |
| 14:05.42 | Ozguli` | selfheal and loldps when solo |
| 14:06.04 | Ozguli` | would be imba on lvl 70 |
| 14:07.13 | kenlyric | Hunters group 100% of the time |
| 14:07.20 | kenlyric | after level 10. |
| 14:07.32 | Ellipsis | I see what you did there |
| 14:07.43 | kenlyric | warlocks not so much. |
| 14:07.53 | Ellipsis | more at earlier levels though |
| 14:08.03 | Ellipsis | and we get ours from level 1ish :) |
| 14:08.26 | kenlyric | but there's a lot less aggro control and healing control for the warlock. |
| 14:08.49 | kenlyric | so it's much less like a tank/healer/dps party dynamic that hunters get. |
| 14:08.54 | Ellipsis | meh... |
| 14:09.02 | Ellipsis | depends on playstyle, but yeah, I can see your point |
| 14:09.08 | kenlyric | or, possibly I just suck at warlock. |
| 14:09.39 | Ellipsis | personally I played much like a hunter when I first leveled (demonology w/VW) |
| 14:10.17 | RaydenUni | "WoW used to have Auction Houses only in one city per side. Focusing on Alliance (Horde sucks and is evil, as everyone knows, so I will ignore it), the city was Ironforge." - Edward Castranova. lol |
| 14:10.27 | kenlyric | I try that, but the VW, even imped, loses aggro too much. |
| 14:10.50 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: true. I was kinda noob+fail at the time, so I didn't have much trouble with it |
| 14:11.00 | kenlyric | I need to wand more. |
| 14:11.25 | Ellipsis | words a warlock should never speak^ |
| 14:11.53 | RaydenUni | wand = mucho dps |
| 14:12.00 | RaydenUni | at lower levels at least |
| 14:12.11 | Ellipsis | I'd rather melee at low levels than wand |
| 14:12.15 | Ellipsis | psh, firestone? OP! |
| 14:12.22 | kenlyric | yup |
| 14:12.43 | kenlyric | I think that's what I ended up doing... imp or tramp, dot dot melee |
| 14:13.08 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs15/image005.png <-- here is your chart showing raid time goes way up at certain times and complete diesappears others |
| 14:13.13 | Ellipsis | plus, it's always nice to get those weapon skills up. you never know when your party will die, your healer will be oom, you'll be low on health and unable to tap...and your stabbity stab for 6 will kill the boss, saving the day |
| 14:13.31 | kenlyric | I killed onyxia with starshards once. |
| 14:13.34 | RaydenUni | but why wouldn't you wand it Ellipsis ? |
| 14:13.48 | Ellipsis | because wand is for fail. |
| 14:13.59 | RaydenUni | wands do more dps than any melee weapon |
| 14:14.08 | RaydenUni | heck my blue lvl 70 wand does 125dps! |
| 14:14.08 | Ellipsis | l2tap |
| 14:14.11 | kenlyric | not that I was the only one who was alive. |
| 14:14.22 | RaydenUni | 125! |
| 14:14.25 | Ellipsis | there is no reason you should ever be oom past level 6? 8? |
| 14:14.26 | RaydenUni | and with imp wand that goes up |
| 14:14.28 | Ellipsis | whatever it is |
| 14:14.35 | MoonWolf | Ellipsis, wand. |
| 14:14.35 | kenlyric | sometimes you go ool |
| 14:14.42 | RaydenUni | i can hit 200-300 dps with just my wand i believe |
| 14:14.56 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: l2drain :) |
| 14:15.07 | kenlyric | wand is 4 priest and oom mage. |
| 14:15.13 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 14:15.15 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: too bad about them making drain suck ass. |
| 14:15.22 | Ellipsis | no u |
| 14:15.27 | Ellipsis | works fine here :) |
| 14:15.27 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs16/image005.png <-- heh, suckers who pvp for 14 hours and have lower tank than 13 hour players |
| 14:15.33 | kenlyric | I enjoyed warlock much more before the talent tree was aborted. |
| 14:15.57 | kenlyric | RaydenUni: you know what? |
| 14:15.59 | Ellipsis | if I can drain tank a heroic boss, I'm not going to be complaining about nerfs anytime soon |
| 14:16.06 | kenlyric | 3 year old data isn't really interesting anymore. |
| 14:16.06 | RaydenUni | what kenlyric |
| 14:16.08 | RaydenUni | heh |
| 14:16.11 | RaydenUni | no this is 2006 data |
| 14:16.12 | kenlyric | Also, rank 14s don't need to play that much anymore |
| 14:16.13 | RaydenUni | 2 years old |
| 14:16.20 | kenlyric | they're already rank 14. |
| 14:16.21 | RaydenUni | :P |
| 14:16.33 | kenlyric | in fact I'm not sure why that doesn't drop to 0 |
| 14:16.43 | RaydenUni | they enjoy pvp? |
| 14:16.45 | kenlyric | well, I guess they're probably on teams |
| 14:16.48 | RaydenUni | so minor conversation diversion |
| 14:16.49 | Ellipsis | don't you lose the will to live when you hit 14, let alone the will to play? |
| 14:16.50 | RaydenUni | i love being a druid |
| 14:16.56 | kenlyric | 40 hours is "enjoying pvp" |
| 14:16.56 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58591 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: |
| 14:16.56 | CIA-8 | GatherMate: |
| 14:16.56 | CIA-8 | - fix zoom check for indoors |
| 14:16.56 | CIA-8 | - fix inRange check for already existing nodes |
| 14:17.02 | kenlyric | 60 is "sick in the fucking head" |
| 14:17.11 | RaydenUni | i'm lvl 35 and some 42 bastard pally sees me and attacks, run away! then he mounts. root, then run away! Hide! |
| 14:17.16 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: your bot loses the will to live. |
| 14:17.18 | RaydenUni | *stealth |
| 14:18.16 | RaydenUni | the lowlife didnt kill me until the third time he found me |
| 14:19.09 | kenlyric | this conversation needs http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-online-gaming-64474.phtml |
| 14:19.35 | Ellipsis | ...my bot? |
| 14:19.37 | Ellipsis | huh? |
| 14:20.34 | kenlyric | inspecific "you" |
| 14:20.42 | kenlyric | in response to your inspecific "you" |
| 14:21.14 | kenlyric | you said "you", referring to me. That is incorrect. |
| 14:21.29 | kenlyric | don't do what johnny don't does. |
| 14:23.04 | kenlyric | with the kind of insane queues PVP used to have, I don't see how anyone stays sane waiting for them. |
| 14:23.23 | RaydenUni | Communicating via a headset is great because it lets gamers sing, and that is one of the only reasons we buy headsets. In fact, some people are known to log into servers just to hear poor quality, nasal renditions of the latest "phat tracks." |
| 14:23.31 | kenlyric | especially before sound through the background. |
| 14:24.43 | kenlyric | in my first guild someone would play Journey during Rend. That's the closest I ever got to hearing singing |
| 14:26.04 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2007/02/new_races_level.html#comments |
| 14:26.07 | RaydenUni | that flash widget is awesome |
| 14:26.13 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58592 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: GatherMate: tune icon->circle transition range |
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| 14:29.29 | Grum | nevcairiel: how usuable is GM atm? |
| 14:29.46 | nevcairiel | if you ignore the occasional debug message |
| 14:29.48 | nevcairiel | it works fine now |
| 14:29.58 | kenlyric | planing on GatherMate_Date? |
| 14:30.03 | nevcairiel | already done |
| 14:30.07 | Grum | _Date? O.o |
| 14:30.08 | kenlyric | victory! |
| 14:30.10 | [Ammo] | kenlyric: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/GatherMateData/ |
| 14:30.12 | kenlyric | *Data |
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| 14:30.24 | RaydenUni | "I suggested that it might be harder to level on a PvP server because of the general level of ganking and interference. Eric suggested that the potential for ganking would actually encourage PvP players to level as fast as possible - especially to stay ahead of the level curve." <-- which do you guys think happened? this is for 60-70 when BC came out |
| 14:30.29 | kenlyric | OMG NO TREASURE!!!!! |
| 14:30.41 | kadrahil | hai |
| 14:30.42 | [Ammo] | gank gank gank |
| 14:30.43 | nevcairiel | it doesnt even track treasures |
| 14:30.48 | [Ammo] | treasureschmeasure |
| 14:30.50 | kenlyric | how will I know where worthless collections of bread and flowers are? |
| 14:30.51 | kadrahil | i know this is an auctoneer question but |
| 14:30.56 | kadrahil | Message: ..\AddOns\Auctioneer\AucUtil.lua line 556: attempt to call global 'SetUIPanel' (a nil value) |
| 14:31.10 | kadrahil | where do i submit that bug? ;/ |
| 14:31.28 | Stanzilla | #norganna |
| 14:31.28 | kenlyric | the thing that disturbs me about treasure chest tracking is that someone out there uses it. |
| 14:32.10 | kadrahil | thanks |
| 14:33.21 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2007/08/index.html <-- this... is ... AWESOME |
| 14:36.14 | kenlyric | now you know where goldfarmer guilds get their names |
| 14:36.37 | kenlyric | Warriors of Care Bear Riders |
| 14:37.37 | RaydenUni | awesome |
| 14:37.40 | RaydenUni | that is a sweet name |
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| 14:37.44 | Pkekyo| | g'morning all |
| 14:37.45 | RaydenUni | i want Maiev's armor |
| 14:37.50 | Pkekyo| | what should I have for dinner? |
| 14:37.57 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo| you missed all the old data i was linking |
| 14:38.00 | RaydenUni | care bears |
| 14:38.10 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: what data? |
| 14:38.18 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/ |
| 14:38.30 | RaydenUni | some research group grabbed all this data |
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| 14:39.38 | Pkekyo| | well...so what? :p |
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| 14:39.45 | Pkekyo| | I don't get it |
| 14:40.23 | Pkekyo| | also, need someone to tell me what I should have for dinner |
| 14:40.23 | Pkekyo| | I've run out of ideas |
| 14:41.03 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo| apparently druids take the longest to level |
| 14:41.06 | RaydenUni | at least as of 2005 |
| 14:41.10 | RaydenUni | priests are the fastest |
| 14:41.26 | Pkekyo| | wicked |
| 14:41.31 | Pkekyo| | I'm starting a preist then |
| 14:43.10 | sb_ | mh wtf |
| 14:43.13 | sb_ | sun and mysql |
| 14:43.44 | kenlyric | ~botsnack |
| 14:43.44 | purl | aw, gee, kenlyric |
| 14:44.04 | Osstia | i can't see how a priest would be faster than a hunter or a rogue |
| 14:44.25 | RaydenUni | improvement to ready raid checks? |
| 14:44.38 | RaydenUni | Osstia we think it has to do with demand for priests in groups |
| 14:44.39 | sb_ | rogue is slow :/ |
| 14:45.05 | kenlyric | have you ever powerlevelled a hunter? |
| 14:45.07 | kenlyric | no |
| 14:45.10 | sb_ | no :) |
| 14:45.23 | sb_ | hunter/lock is pretty fast |
| 14:45.46 | RaydenUni | let me find the graph of the top levelers |
| 14:45.50 | RaydenUni | priests still won |
| 14:46.17 | RaydenUni | oh no |
| 14:46.19 | RaydenUni | it was warrior |
| 14:46.20 | RaydenUni | my bad |
| 14:46.30 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/graphs06/image039.html |
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| 14:46.35 | RaydenUni | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2005/09/fastest_levelin.html |
| 14:47.01 | SunTsu | sb_: lock for me is the fastest I'm doing. directly followed by mage and hunter, but rogue is not that off |
| 14:47.38 | sb_ | mh okay, time to level my mage ;p |
| 14:47.38 | Osstia | for me it has been Hunter, Lock, Rogue, Druid, Priest, Shaman |
| 14:47.50 | Osstia | for the chars i have above 60 |
| 14:48.04 | Osstia | my priest was slow to lvl |
| 14:48.05 | SunTsu | The slowest one by far was my druid, mostly I had to learn how the game itself works |
| 14:48.09 | Pkekyo| | meh, I've gotten addicted to making spreadsheets for everything :p |
| 14:48.18 | sb_ | and MEH!! wtb iphone sdk, now! |
| 14:48.30 | RaydenUni | i don't know why druids would be so slow |
| 14:48.35 | RaydenUni | we're like rogues but we can heal ourselves |
| 14:48.39 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: that might have something to do with warriors being the most populated class, no? |
| 14:48.44 | sb_ | yup RaydenUni |
| 14:48.49 | sb_ | no downtime as druid |
| 14:48.51 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo| why would that affect time to level? |
| 14:48.52 | SunTsu | RaydenUni: As I said "because I had to learn the game itself" |
| 14:48.55 | RaydenUni | especially at top 1%? |
| 14:49.02 | RaydenUni | SunTsu but according to the graph druids are the slowest |
| 14:49.09 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: I was thinking general average times |
| 14:49.19 | RaydenUni | that graph is for top 10%, 5%, and 1% |
| 14:49.21 | sb_ | perhaps it is the most complicated class? |
| 14:49.24 | sb_ | (druid) |
| 14:49.27 | RaydenUni | perhaps |
| 14:49.33 | Pkekyo| | ah, I never even looked at the graph, just made a general assumption |
| 14:49.36 | sb_ | same for shamans |
| 14:49.45 | sb_ | with all that totem stuff |
| 14:49.56 | sb_ | mage/rogue/lock is 2-3 buttons to level |
| 14:50.08 | Pkekyo| | sb_: disagree....druids aren't that complicated... I'm having more problems leveling my shammy because of the weirdass totems :p |
| 14:50.17 | sb_ | druid is bear, shift, heal, shift, cat, shift... bleh :) |
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| 14:50.33 | Osstia | I lvld my shaman pre-totemic recall |
| 14:50.41 | Osstia | so i rarely used the weirdass totems |
| 14:50.57 | Osstia | becuase i hated re-planting them every 15 yards |
| 14:51.02 | RaydenUni | druids can be very survivable |
| 14:51.03 | sb_ | those fire things are great for leveling |
| 14:51.08 | RaydenUni | but they lack a LOT of utility rogues have |
| 14:51.22 | sb_ | sap & vanish? :p |
| 14:51.29 | RaydenUni | gouge for one |
| 14:51.31 | RaydenUni | vanish |
| 14:51.40 | Osstia | gouge sprint vanish sap |
| 14:51.57 | SunTsu | RaydenUni: Maybe because it takes more time to work out what works best |
| 14:52.19 | RaydenUni | druids ahve a sprint |
| 14:52.26 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 14:52.33 | RaydenUni | when i first started i couldn't figure out dueling |
| 14:52.36 | RaydenUni | just AT ALL |
| 14:53.08 | Matrix110 | hmm can i tell Parrot to use some custom Blizzard sound without digging in the .lua files? |
| 14:53.19 | SunTsu | RaydenUni: At first my druid was a healer, then it went more into balance, then it turned out I liked feral best. There were times I played balance/feral mix. It took time to finde out what's most efficient to me |
| 14:53.20 | Matrix110 | or do i have to extract the file and add it to mymedia |
| 14:53.21 | RaydenUni | time to go |
| 14:54.15 | kenlyric | programs without tagging make baby jesus cry. |
| 14:54.22 | kenlyric | and also me |
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| 15:02.39 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58593 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: |
| 15:02.39 | CIA-8 | GatherMate: |
| 15:02.39 | CIA-8 | - smoothen the minimap update code |
| 15:02.39 | CIA-8 | - add throttling logic |
| 15:02.39 | CIA-8 | - mem leak somewhere, cookies for finding |
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| 15:06.26 | CIA-8 | 03jerry 07jerry * r58594 10Grid/Grid/GridFrame.lua: Grid: (branch) Merge changes from trunk |
| 15:07.13 | Pkekyo| | spreadsheets are full of win and awesome :D |
| 15:07.37 | sag_ich_nicht | ur mom |
| 15:07.51 | Ellipsis | no u |
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| 15:09.13 | Pkekyo| | nothanks, I'm driving |
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| 15:11.42 | CIA-8 | 03mok * r58595 10xcRaid/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:11.42 | CIA-8 | xcRaid: |
| 15:11.42 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.42 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.42 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.05 | Pkekyo| | err...is there some way to add up several cells in a spreadsheet without writing ie "=c3+c5+c12" in the cell? :p |
| 15:13.57 | kenlyric | =Sum |
| 15:14.05 | kenlyric | then click the fields you want |
| 15:14.05 | Flexom | Matrix110: try SharedMedia-Blizzard, you can find it on wowace.com/files or using WAU ;) |
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| 15:14.18 | Matrix110 | Flexom i already added the sounds to mymedia but thanks |
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| 15:14.24 | Pkekyo| | thanks, kenlyric (ctrl+click?) |
| 15:14.26 | Flexom | Matrix110: kk:) |
| 15:15.28 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58596 10/branches/GatherMate/ (Display.lua GatherMate.lua): GatherMate: move strings to string constants |
| 15:16.16 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: that only prints out as this: #NAME? |
| 15:16.47 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: I don't know the exact syntax for your spreadsheet program. |
| 15:17.07 | Pkekyo| | I guess I'll just hit it with a monkeywrench until it works :p |
| 15:17.32 | kenlyric | in excel I just go to the functions and select sum and then select the fields I want. |
| 15:19.06 | Osstia | you will get #NAME if you have non numeric value in a cell and try to use =SUM() |
| 15:19.12 | Osstia | iirc |
| 15:19.45 | Osstia | but you should be able to just type =SUM( in the function line and then click each cell. you will want to make sure they are comma delimited |
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| 15:20.58 | Pkekyo| | Osstia: no non-numeric values in the cells I select |
| 15:23.38 | kenlyric | http://www.tweetweb.com/ tagging hack for itunes in windows. |
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| 15:24.09 | kagaro | brb software updates |
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| 15:29.04 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58597 10/branches/GatherMate/ (Display.lua GatherMate.lua): GatherMate: plug some more leaks |
| 15:32.06 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 15:32.07 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58598 10/branches/GatherMate/ (Collector.lua Display.lua GatherMate.lua): GatherMate: remove tbl argument of FindNearbyNode and use a internal cache instead |
| 15:32.14 | Fisker- | anyone know what could be shutting down apache in linux |
| 15:32.28 | Fisker- | it starts up, i check the status and it's down |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker- | only QQ it does is the fqdn for servername |
| 15:33.37 | ag` | Fisker-QQ |
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| 15:34.07 | Osstia | Fisker-: easy fix is add the hostname to he host file |
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| 15:34.40 | Fisker- | it's not the problem |
| 15:34.42 | Fisker- | duh |
| 15:34.52 | Osstia | tail /var/log/messages |
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| 15:35.17 | Osstia | and do yu have a /var/log/httpd or anything of the sort? |
| 15:36.22 | Fisker- | doh nevermind |
| 15:36.59 | Fisker- | just gotta recompile eacellerator |
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| 15:38.48 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58599 10/branches/GatherMate/Collector.lua: GatherMate: fix iterator usage in collector module |
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| 15:39.48 | CIA-8 | 03damjau * r58600 10Whats/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:39.48 | CIA-8 | Whats : |
| 15:39.48 | CIA-8 | - add item data |
| 15:39.48 | CIA-8 | - fix reputation item tooltip bug |
| 15:42.07 | Pkekyo| | how do I calculate how many % of the reduction effects a set amount of resillience will give? |
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| 15:42.12 | CIA-8 | 03damjau * r58601 10Whats/ (WhatsMenuInfo.lua WhatsOption.lua): |
| 15:42.12 | CIA-8 | Whats : |
| 15:42.12 | CIA-8 | - seperate option, menu table |
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| 15:51.15 | CIA-8 | 03aznamir * r58602 10PallyPower/PallyPower.lua: |
| 15:51.15 | CIA-8 | PallyPower: |
| 15:51.16 | CIA-8 | - Another guess, not sure that the hell is wrong |
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| 15:55.35 | sb_ | mh - whats whats? :p |
| 15:57.14 | Mergitur | Pkekyo|: http://www.wowwiki.com/Resilience |
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| 16:00.20 | deadlock | Did the new Auctioneer get rid of the margin column in the AH |
| 16:00.53 | Lukian | sb_, what's shows where an item is obtained in the tooltip |
| 16:00.58 | Lukian | it's great |
| 16:02.45 | sb_ | mhh - screenshit? |
| 16:02.48 | sb_ | shop! |
| 16:02.51 | sb_ | SHOT |
| 16:03.04 | sb_ | *sigh* :) |
| 16:03.09 | Pkekyo| | Mergitur: thanks, but I tried that..I don't get it >.< |
| 16:03.23 | CIA-8 | 03ammo * r58604 10/branches/GatherMate/ (GatherMate.lua GatherMate.toc): GatherMate: remove onenable and ondisable, not used anyway. Clean up .toc |
| 16:03.44 | Lukian | Can someone add a description to whats? |
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| 16:05.36 | cncfanatics | anyone, how is the ace'd lootlink called ? |
| 16:05.37 | cncfanatics | forgot the name |
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| 16:06.06 | Lukian | itemsync, lootdb, kivinlootzor |
| 16:06.10 | Lukian | itemdb* |
| 16:06.23 | Lukian | did I miss any? |
| 16:07.12 | cncfanatics | ty |
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| 16:23.01 | Lukian | I'm thinking Whats should be renamed "Where" or "Wheres" XD |
| 16:24.14 | SunTsu | Or WTF? |
| 16:24.24 | Lukian | excellent idea! |
| 16:24.46 | Lukian | except that might confuse people with the WTF folder. |
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| 16:25.27 | Estil | lol |
| 16:26.21 | Fin | if you have a string |
| 16:26.26 | Fin | and you want that string to be part of a regex |
| 16:26.30 | Fin | but you don't know what the string is |
| 16:26.33 | kenlyric | who's on first? |
| 16:26.35 | Fin | so you need to escape it properly |
| 16:26.53 | Fin | how do you make sure the string doesn't contain anything that'll break the regex? |
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| 16:37.14 | Estil | oh wow |
| 16:37.21 | Estil | temporal parasites at andorhal got nurfed |
| 16:38.39 | Lukian | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Whats <- For those asking What's whats. :D |
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| 16:42.25 | [Ammo] | Lukian: mendeleev does that and more / better :) |
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| 16:43.50 | Lukian | overlaps with a lot of things auctioneer does |
| 16:43.58 | Lukian | Whats is potentially lighter? :o |
| 16:44.56 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:45.20 | kergoth | if i was still using tradeskillinfo instead of mendy for trade skill info in tooltips, i might consider using whats instaed of mendy for just item source info |
| 16:45.27 | kergoth | but not using tsi, i think i'll stick to mendy |
| 16:45.33 | [Ammo] | mendy = <3 |
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| 16:48.20 | SunTsu | I really love Mendeleev, combined with smth like EQcompare and RatingBuster it's great - using auctioneer too sometimes makes it hard to see the whole tooltip |
| 16:48.51 | [Ammo] | auctioneer generates tooltips the size of rome |
| 16:49.12 | [Ammo] | with useful info, but only on my banker plix :) |
| 16:49.14 | MoonWolf | with not real information sadly |
| 16:49.32 | MoonWolf | i tried to use its tooltip thing for mendy |
| 16:49.35 | MoonWolf | it was annoying |
| 16:50.02 | kergoth | pretty sure nowadays you can have the auc stuff go into the normal tooltip if you want it to |
| 16:50.06 | kergoth | but then it gets pretty massive |
| 16:50.27 | SunTsu | .o0( "Dang, I really have to use a bigger resolution" "Want to see more of the instance?" "No, the whole item tooltip" ) |
| 16:50.37 | MoonWolf | mendy can already make the tooltip bigger then the screen with its used in category |
| 16:50.41 | MoonWolf | why make it even bigger. |
| 16:50.57 | [Ammo] | 'used in' [off] |
| 16:50.58 | [Ammo] | :) |
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| 16:51.00 | vithos | Whats looks like WhoDrop |
| 16:51.14 | kergoth | i usually have used in only showing my professions on this char |
| 16:51.16 | kergoth | not so bad then |
| 16:51.19 | MoonWolf | [Ammo], agreed. |
| 16:51.37 | MoonWolf | the category was invinted when the database was more... limited. |
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| 16:51.45 | kergoth | hmm, does whats use pt3.1's existing loot data, or its own data? |
| 16:51.56 | kergoth | and if the former, why doesnt it show drop rate as well as source |
| 16:52.08 | Lukian | it doesn't use periodtable at all |
| 16:52.24 | kergoth | ah, right |
| 16:52.24 | MoonWolf | and it needs updating tbh |
| 16:52.26 | [Ammo] | it uses its own data |
| 16:52.48 | kergoth | yea, the pt3 loot data seems behind at times |
| 16:53.09 | MoonWolf | needs badge vendor stuff tbh |
| 16:53.18 | MoonWolf | but i'm lazy |
| 16:55.45 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan 07Talents * r58605 10WoWEquip/ (WoWEquipData.lua localization.lua): WoWEquip: - Localizing talents part 2 |
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| 16:56.23 | Provus | Shadowed, are you around? |
| 16:56.27 | Lukian | <[Ammo]> Lukian: mendeleev does that and more / better :) <- None of the pvp gear is shown |
| 16:56.46 | kergoth | i know there were addons i've been wanting to have over the past few months, but now that i want to code something, i'm drawing a complete blank on what any of them are |
| 16:56.47 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 16:57.23 | Xinhuan | make a pick-lock in trade window button - except its for enchanting |
| 16:57.33 | Xinhuan | people trade me an item in the do-not-trade box |
| 16:57.48 | Xinhuan | i want to click a button next to it to show me a menu of all the enchants i can cast on that item |
| 16:58.12 | Lukian | and have mats for ^_^ |
| 16:58.15 | Xinhuan | for a rogue, this is simple - the only available spell is pick lock :D |
| 16:58.31 | Xinhuan | yeah you can color the menu different based on whether you have mats or not :D |
| 16:59.07 | kergoth | that's a good idea. wouldn't be too difficult either |
| 16:59.16 | durcyn | hmm, sounds like manufac tbh |
| 16:59.38 | Xinhuan | it is actually more difficult than you think, since the buttons in the menu has to be secure |
| 16:59.48 | Xinhuan | well, slightly more difficult than usual at least |
| 16:59.54 | Xinhuan | since its a spell |
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| 17:00.21 | durcyn | nope, 90% of what you said is already done by nymbia in manufac, just need to anchor it to the trade window |
| 17:00.41 | Xinhuan | well i just want a small addon to just this |
| 17:00.52 | Xinhuan | don't want a big addon |
| 17:01.32 | exor674 | can't you use CastSpellByName out of combat? |
| 17:01.57 | Xinhuan | after a year of all this tainting stuff, i don't really know if you can anymore |
| 17:01.58 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 17:02.04 | exor674 | and if you are picking locks in combat, I thinkyou have more things to worry about |
| 17:02.25 | exor674 | (er, picking other people's lockboxes) |
| 17:02.49 | SNiLD | anyone have experience with closegnome_zones ? |
| 17:02.53 | Xinhuan | its not that uncommon to pick lock a box in an instance |
| 17:02.56 | Xinhuan | while in combat |
| 17:02.59 | SNiLD | it doesn't seem to be aware of any zones for me :/ |
| 17:03.05 | Xinhuan | or got dragged into combat |
| 17:04.12 | exor674 | SNiLD: it enables auto-switchin based on zone |
| 17:04.27 | exor674 | SNiLD: so you have to go that zone, set up a set, set that set for that zone |
| 17:04.43 | SNiLD | exor674: yeah but when I stand in western plaguelands it suggests Undercity for me :/ |
| 17:04.56 | nevcairiel | kagaro: so i managed to fix most of the errors, but one thing, i have a square minimap, but it cuts the nodes off in a circle pattern |
| 17:05.19 | kagaro | must be the detection part not working right nevicairiel |
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| 17:06.39 | kergoth | can trade skill crafting bits be done via /cast, or is the crafting frame special? |
| 17:10.07 | Lukian | mooooooo! screenshots http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Mendeleev |
| 17:12.37 | nevcairiel | kagaro: nah, the detection code works, i added some debug stuff, something is wrong with the drawing |
| 17:12.45 | kagaro | ohh ok |
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| 17:13.24 | nevcairiel | altho i have no idea what |
| 17:13.29 | nevcairiel | but it works better now, so hey |
| 17:14.11 | sb_ | Lukian: whats your data source? |
| 17:14.33 | Lukian | Whats isn't mine |
| 17:14.38 | Lukian | I'm just an end-user |
| 17:15.07 | nevcairiel | kagaro: oh, another thing, when i herb or mine something, i get one of the nodes stuck to my char arrow =P |
| 17:15.16 | Xinhuan | kergoth, crafting frame stuff is special |
| 17:15.21 | Xinhuan | they use DoCraft() |
| 17:15.26 | kergoth | ah |
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| 17:16.07 | forfeit1 | is there a bug with pitbull keeping selected layouts for frames? I've redesigned my layouts and saved them, but when I relog, I loose the chosen layouts for everything but the player UF.. I unlock the frames, set Pitbull to Solo Config mode, go through and choose all the layouts I want for each Unit frame, then lock it down and disable config mode.. when I log, I loose it all |
| 17:16.26 | Fin | kergoth: I *think* that problem with my site you mentioned, is fixed, but I'm not 100% sure as I never got round to reproducing it, which was silly |
| 17:16.39 | kergoth | hehe, okay, i'll try it |
| 17:16.50 | CIA-8 | 03mok * r58606 10xchar/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:16.50 | CIA-8 | xchar: |
| 17:16.50 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.50 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.23 | Fin | I mean, I did try to reproduce, but I couldn't, and I'd already done stuff that I hope should've fixed it... but I couldn't test that properly. so yeah! please let me know if it's still broken. :) |
| 17:17.45 | Lukian | <Fin> I mean, I did try to reproduce <- lol |
| 17:18.06 | Fin | haha, awesome |
| 17:18.11 | Fin | where's Crematicus when I need him |
| 17:18.38 | Lukian | that whole sentence is full of win out of context :D |
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| 17:18.53 | kergoth | Fin: still broken here |
| 17:19.01 | Fin | can you give me a URL please? |
| 17:19.27 | forfeit1 | anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 17:19.34 | Fin | s'OK |
| 17:19.37 | Fin | I can see it in the logs |
| 17:19.38 | kergoth | steps: go to the main site, load no_libs_or_compilations, click update next to the ignore regex. copy the new url. clear the cookies, reload using that new url. |
| 17:19.51 | kergoth | pattern becomes: ^(Lib.%2B|.%2BLib|.%2B[ ._]*(ui|UI|pack|Pack)(.*))%24 |
| 17:19.58 | kergoth | note the url escaping |
| 17:20.14 | kergoth | if you still have the cookies, all is well, cause it obeys thato ver the url |
| 17:20.23 | Fin | I understood what you were describing, I just couldn't get it to do that for me |
| 17:20.23 | kergoth | but if you shove that url into an rss reader... :) |
| 17:20.26 | Lukian | forfeit1, check that you aren't out of disk space and you are able to edit files in wtf, and try reloading your ui rather than logging out |
| 17:20.26 | kergoth | kk |
| 17:20.36 | Fin | riiiight, thanks for that |
| 17:20.41 | kergoth | np |
| 17:20.43 | Fin | I think you just saved me a lot of time |
| 17:20.54 | Fin | not sure I would've thought of cookies straight away :) |
| 17:22.49 | Fin | hmm |
| 17:23.15 | Fin | it's still not doing it for me, I'll try another browser. but if it's only affecting +s I think that's because I'm using rawurlencode() instead of what I should be using |
| 17:23.54 | forfeit1 | Lukian, I have plenty of space (~150gig free) and it's keeping the settings I set (position, size, placement, etc) just not which layout I tell it to use |
| 17:24.32 | forfeit1 | but the layouts I created are in the Layout drop down |
| 17:24.41 | kergoth | Fin: using a firefox build out of cvs as of 20080114, "minefield", under linux. think i've seen it at home too, daily build of minefield there, under xp |
| 17:24.57 | kergoth | i'll clear my browser cache to be safe and confirm |
| 17:25.35 | Lukian | forfeit1, probably a bug, let an author know |
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| 17:27.43 | CIA-8 | 03mok * r58607 10xcRaid/ (. xcRaid.toc): |
| 17:27.44 | CIA-8 | xcRaid: |
| 17:27.44 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.04 | durcyn | great commit message. |
| 17:28.33 | kergoth | Fin: it doesnt seem to be enough to reload the page after clearing the cookies, i click on the url bar and hit enter using the url there, then you'll see the encoded regex in the ignore box |
| 17:28.58 | Fin | browser cache shouldn't be an issue. hmm. it's not happening for me in my copy of firefox either... |
| 17:29.13 | Fin | kergoth: that's what I've been doing all along |
| 17:29.34 | kergoth | when you hit update, do you see %2524 at the end of the regex in the url bar? |
| 17:29.42 | kergoth | or %24? |
| 17:31.15 | Fin | %24 |
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| 17:33.05 | kergoth | weird. |
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| 17:34.48 | Fin | OK |
| 17:34.55 | Fin | I think I know what's happening |
| 17:35.16 | Fin | I may be wrong, but: I think the URL in your browser's bar is being encoded again and that's causing the problems |
| 17:35.24 | Fin | but |
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| 17:35.36 | Fin | that's *not* the URL being requested as far as I can tell |
| 17:36.24 | Fin | in the logs, it shows you loading the page - 200 status, then reloading to clear cookies - 304, then loading the same URL again - 304, then loading the broken version |
| 17:37.06 | Fin | oh shit you know I'm actually dead sick at the moment I shouldn't be trying to figure this out |
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| 17:38.26 | Fin | I can't for the life of me reproduce this problem |
| 17:38.33 | Fin | I'll try IE |
| 17:38.42 | Fin | also, beer |
| 17:45.17 | Fisker- | IE = WIN |
| 17:45.22 | bigzero | :-( |
| 17:45.51 | Fisker- | MASSIVE WIN |
| 17:45.55 | Megalon | real gosus surf with lynx! |
| 17:46.06 | bigzero | lua> local function a() print(1) print(2) end a() |
| 17:46.06 | lua_bot | bigzero: 1, 2 |
| 17:46.07 | Megalon | or even wget! |
| 17:47.00 | bigzero | lua> local function a() local a,b a=1 b=2 return a .. b end print(a()) |
| 17:47.01 | lua_bot | bigzero: 12 |
| 17:47.17 | Fin | sorry kergoth, I'm giving up for now, I can't think properly |
| 17:47.45 | kergoth | not a problem |
| 17:54.11 | Shadowed | Provus: ? |
| 17:55.03 | SunTsu | Megalon: What's it you have against telnet? |
| 17:59.07 | bigzero | what's a bucket event? |
| 17:59.42 | kergoth | bigzero: throttled event |
| 17:59.51 | kergoth | like only get a BAG_UPDATE twice a second or whatever |
| 18:00.05 | bigzero | ah, alright, thanks |
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| 18:00.47 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan 07Talents * r58611 10WoWEquip/WoWEquip.lua: |
| 18:00.47 | CIA-8 | WoWEquip: |
| 18:00.48 | CIA-8 | - Localizing talents part 3 |
| 18:00.48 | CIA-8 | - Fix +armor contribution from items calculation so that it only counts base item armor (+armor cloak enchants do not work, notified Jerry (ItemBonusLib)) |
| 18:01.17 | Xinhuan | heh that commit was so 10 min ago |
| 18:01.37 | kergoth | i wonder how i'd target DoCraft.. wonder if theres an argument to /use to target the do not use item in the trade frame |
| 18:01.57 | Xinhuan | i dont know heh |
| 18:02.05 | Xinhuan | i dont think that is necessary |
| 18:02.15 | Xinhuan | selecting the enchant from the menu should just make the hand "glow" |
| 18:02.16 | kergoth | well, to target a spell to an item you normally have to /cast, then /use |
| 18:02.19 | kergoth | like for prospecting |
| 18:02.28 | Xinhuan | and i can manually click on the item in the box |
| 18:02.32 | kergoth | ah, well thatd do too, i was wondering if itd be possible to click it for you :) |
| 18:02.48 | kergoth | actually, /click could do it if /use couldnt, probably.. |
| 18:03.06 | kergoth | was thinking you could set up a macrotext on the menu item to /script DoCraft() /use |
| 18:03.19 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r58609 10AlarLib/ (AlarLib-2.0/AlarLib-2.0.lua AlarLib.toc): |
| 18:03.19 | CIA-8 | AlarLib |
| 18:03.19 | CIA-8 | Added lib:AddExec() |
| 18:03.25 | Xinhuan | wtf/?? |
| 18:03.36 | Xinhuan | ~facepalm |
| 18:03.37 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 18:03.59 | kadrahil | haha |
| 18:04.08 | Xinhuan | his library grows by 20 lines every 2 days |
| 18:04.22 | Xinhuan | it'll be 3650 lines longer by the end of the year |
| 18:04.33 | kadrahil | o_O |
| 18:04.41 | Josh_Borke | so? |
| 18:04.42 | bigzero | 3660 this year |
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| 18:04.45 | Josh_Borke | 3k lines isn't so much |
| 18:04.53 | Xinhuan | for a library, it is |
| 18:05.12 | Josh_Borke | depends on scope |
| 18:05.18 | Xinhuan | especially when his library functions are mostly just function wrappers to the actual function |
| 18:05.24 | Xinhuan | and do nothing special |
| 18:05.38 | Josh_Borke | no one said his 3k lines are useful |
| 18:07.15 | NeoTron | took a chance buying an uncut epic gem and cutting it for resell. See how that works out :P |
| 18:08.06 | kadrahil | i'm rerolling ;( |
| 18:08.18 | kadrahil | freakin hate pvp in rampage now, horde pugs suck nearly every time |
| 18:09.05 | Josh_Borke | that's just because you suck |
| 18:09.14 | kadrahil | NO U |
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| 18:09.21 | Josh_Borke | ok, it's true, i do |
| 18:09.26 | kadrahil | :P |
| 18:09.42 | Josh_Borke | can alliance win AV now? |
| 18:09.47 | kadrahil | they did once i think |
| 18:09.48 | Josh_Borke | i still need 8k honor on dagh |
| 18:09.50 | kadrahil | i haven't bothered |
| 18:09.54 | Fin | Whats looks FANTASTICO |
| 18:09.56 | Polarina | Matrix110: You have any more gold spamming messages? |
| 18:10.04 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: i need like 1209831 honor |
| 18:10.14 | Josh_Borke | get into premades |
| 18:10.18 | kadrahil | i still have 2 pieces of s1 to get, the s1 bow |
| 18:10.28 | kadrahil | all our premades require 300 resil, that's two pieces and an enchant away for me |
| 18:10.28 | bigzero | anyone here uses ClassTimer? |
| 18:10.39 | kadrahil | oh and two pieces of vindicator |
| 18:10.50 | Aeyan | I use it |
| 18:10.51 | kadrahil | i got my dory's embrace, it's hawt :) |
| 18:11.43 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Kadrahil |
| 18:11.50 | bigzero | Aeyan, did you ever notice that sometimes the debuffs don't appear in the list. I noticed it on my druid. If i mangle just as the debuff expires, for some reason the mangle is not picked up |
| 18:11.56 | kadrahil | everyone is transferring off stormreaver now so it's starting to suck |
| 18:12.04 | Josh_Borke | horde you mean? |
| 18:12.22 | Josh_Borke | you need pants n00b |
| 18:12.31 | kadrahil | i know ;( |
| 18:12.56 | kadrahil | i need the s1 crossbow too |
| 18:13.07 | kadrahil | and battlemaster's trinket.. that's 60k honor or something for both, ugh |
| 18:14.40 | NeoTron | just take over another guilds 5/6 and 3/4 instance (that can't actually kill vashj/kael'thas yet) |
| 18:14.47 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: i have 829 arena points, i'm going to get s3 legs first and get the s1 belt for now, then the s3 ring |
| 18:14.54 | NeoTron | compensating them somehow.. |
| 18:15.04 | ggilbert | NeoTron: That's actually a good idea |
| 18:15.16 | kadrahil | so in a few weeks i should be in full pvp gear some way or another |
| 18:16.00 | kadrahil | so close to 11k hp heh |
| 18:16.14 | sb_ | NeoTron: pay them with nethervortexes :o |
| 18:16.22 | sb_ | (build 1-2 belts) |
| 18:17.09 | NeoTron | good compensation would probably be epic gems, HoD's and a few slots in the raid to see how we do the encounter |
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| 18:17.45 | NeoTron | sb_: vortexes would work too but we don't exactly have a lot of those w/o running but they could get the vortexes from the end bosses |
| 18:17.57 | sb_ | yup |
| 18:18.05 | sb_ | so its 2 items :p |
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| 18:22.20 | chiper | lame. Halo movie will only have Master Chief as a supporting character. epic fail |
| 18:22.24 | Twist- | when we were batting the idea of completing someone else's instance around, we settled on 5 raid slots for their guild, and giving them dibbs on any drops they could use. |
| 18:22.35 | NeoTron | Wowjutsu doesn't seem to happy. last I checked the server was offline |
| 18:22.43 | NeoTron | now it's just not answering |
| 18:22.45 | Pkekyo| | ~ugt |
| 18:22.46 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 18:23.04 | NeoTron | Twist-: hmm. 5 slots is a lot... depending on ow good/experienced they are |
| 18:23.19 | Stanzilla | ~uat |
| 18:23.20 | purl | uat is, like, Universal Antiarc Time. Created in #wowace, it is the measure of the One True Time. All other times are imposters and will be shot on sight, especially so-called "Universal" Fisker Time, which is just a sorry excuse for supposed "time" and will instead just be laughed at. |
| 18:23.45 | NeoTron | chiper: so "halo movie" is enough to EXPECT epic fail |
| 18:23.50 | Twist- | It is, but if they've made it to vashj already they're doing something right. |
| 18:23.52 | NeoTron | is it another Uwe Boll masterpiece? |
| 18:24.00 | chiper | neo: not really, joe statens a pretty good writer |
| 18:24.03 | NeoTron | Twist-: half blind mice can make it TO vashj |
| 18:24.09 | chiper | NeoTron: no, actually, it's Peter Jackson |
| 18:24.22 | Twist- | NeoTron: You'd think so |
| 18:24.25 | NeoTron | well then I suppose it might have a chance |
| 18:24.44 | NeoTron | Twist-: ex-members of my guild that really sucked made it to T6 in another guild |
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| 18:25.06 | Twist- | NeoTron: point being, most guilds have a small wall of game between the content and the filler players.. you can get 5 toons out of that easily enough without dragging your group down |
| 18:25.10 | NeoTron | they were, for example, incredibly slow at learning new encounters and were almost completely unable to react to changing conditions |
| 18:25.21 | NeoTron | that is probably true |
| 18:25.26 | chiper | the books have all been very engaging, so a movie could be very good, but knocking out the MC also means bumping Cortana, and she's one of the most interesting characters in the whole halo universe |
| 18:25.32 | NeoTron | if you can't find at least 5 good people in a guild it's pretty sad |
| 18:26.28 | Twist- | so when you ask a guild to send five people to learn an encounter.. you don't often see them sending crap players. |
| 18:26.43 | NeoTron | one would hope so |
| 18:27.02 | NeoTron | worst case if they do suck by the time you're there, the instance is already under your control |
| 18:27.05 | NeoTron | ... |
| 18:27.08 | Twist- | we never got a chance to test it.. in the two weeks it took us to hash out a deal, they wound up killing vashj. ;) |
| 18:27.31 | NeoTron | ironically ssc is faster and less annoying than TK to me |
| 18:27.36 | NeoTron | the trash in TK just sucks so bad |
| 18:27.40 | NeoTron | I hate it with a passion |
| 18:27.47 | Twist- | really. |
| 18:27.57 | Twist- | we mow it down like it's not even standing there now. |
| 18:28.29 | NeoTron | it's not like it's hard. just quite long and annoying |
| 18:28.42 | Twist- | But I do know what you mean.. it's the second most annoying trash in the game. Every ability they have is just designed for maximum annoyance. |
| 18:28.44 | NeoTron | and pre-KT trash still can kill a chunck of the raid if you don't pay attention |
| 18:29.00 | Twist- | Res every other pull for speed. ;) |
| 18:29.31 | NeoTron | we cleared SSC in <3 hrs. would have been 2.5h if the strider kitr hadn't died |
| 18:29.39 | Twist- | But at least it's not cthun trash. |
| 18:29.42 | NeoTron | also used a few new ppl on the outside that didn't get their elementals |
| 18:31.53 | Twist- | Actually, hyjal trash is worse |
| 18:32.47 | Twist- | when somebody screws up and splatters the tank on wave 8 |
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| 18:35.51 | NeoTron | feh |
| 18:36.00 | NeoTron | hyjal trash is pretty darn easy with a few exceptions |
| 18:36.22 | NeoTron | and even the exceptions aren't hard |
| 18:36.32 | NivFreak | assuming you have a prot pally? |
| 18:36.35 | NeoTron | yes |
| 18:36.37 | Twist- | yeah |
| 18:36.42 | NivFreak | so I'm curious |
| 18:36.51 | NivFreak | do people usually rock the prot pally as MT in hyjal? |
| 18:36.52 | NeoTron | of course. I prepared our prot pally long before we came to hyjal |
| 18:36.52 | Twist- | our raid leader is a holybrick |
| 18:37.02 | NivFreak | or what does he do when you're not dealing with trash waves? |
| 18:37.03 | NeoTron | no he's not the MT |
| 18:37.18 | NeoTron | OTing or healing |
| 18:37.27 | Twist- | he becomes a very weak healer when the boss enters. |
| 18:37.32 | NivFreak | ah |
| 18:37.47 | NivFreak | yea, I assume he won't even have illumination |
| 18:37.51 | NeoTron | two fights has offtanking |
| 18:37.54 | NeoTron | nah |
| 18:38.05 | NeoTron | typically no or extremely minimal holy talents |
| 18:38.13 | chiper | hah, uwe boll has announced he's not going to do any more bigbudget adaptation films any more. germany finally plugged his little loop hole |
| 18:38.21 | Twist- | Ours does MT bosses if one if neither of our big gun warriors show up. |
| 18:38.25 | vithos | our prot pally's unspecced healing is pretty good |
| 18:38.48 | Twist- | Oh yeah, if he can get out of combat to switch to healing gear, he's a beast. |
| 18:39.06 | Twist- | prot healing's just different |
| 18:39.11 | NeoTron | it's pretty weak |
| 18:39.14 | vithos | you're sometimes unable to get out of combat before a boss? |
| 18:39.18 | NeoTron | I have a prot pally and have played as a holy pally |
| 18:39.18 | Twist- | all raw +heal and mp5.. you don't stack crit |
| 18:39.25 | NeoTron | I don't compete but I can contribute |
| 18:39.30 | Twist- | right |
| 18:39.39 | NeoTron | mind you my pally is kara/za level not t6 :) |
| 18:40.00 | Twist- | heh.. same. I have a prot pally that's topped out on 10 man gear |
| 18:40.45 | Twist- | it's just something to fiddle with in the off-season |
| 18:41.05 | Twist- | but at the cost of chain-chugging mana pots, my healing isn't terrbile |
| 18:41.08 | NivFreak | I'm getting so pissed off |
| 18:41.19 | NivFreak | I bring my warrior into kara just to try and get the chest off nightbane |
| 18:41.24 | NivFreak | 25 kills no |
| 18:41.25 | NivFreak | no drop |
| 18:41.27 | NeoTron | heh |
| 18:41.33 | Twist- | don't get me started |
| 18:41.35 | NeoTron | so I had almost full karazhan prot set... |
| 18:41.40 | NivFreak | and my guild is too retarded to kill mag |
| 18:41.40 | NeoTron | before ever having specced prot |
| 18:41.51 | NeoTron | and like 2 plate healing pieces. It was pretty sad |
| 18:42.04 | NivFreak | yea, tank gear drops like mad there |
| 18:42.06 | Twist- | 5 months of kara.. one nightbane shield drop, and it went to a holy pally for off-spec gear |
| 18:42.11 | NivFreak | but not the chest... |
| 18:42.20 | NivFreak | Twist-: heh, I have 2 of those |
| 18:42.22 | NivFreak | in the bank |
| 18:42.27 | NeoTron | I got the chest and the shield :P |
| 18:42.28 | NivFreak | never use em |
| 18:42.32 | NivFreak | NeoTron: diaf :) |
| 18:42.39 | NeoTron | funny though |
| 18:42.40 | Twist- | I had the chest |
| 18:42.48 | NeoTron | my first experience tanking in a raid, ever, was karazhan |
| 18:42.50 | Twist- | but that badge reward chest is far superior now |
| 18:43.06 | NivFreak | my first was ZG |
| 18:43.12 | NivFreak | and I was arms |
| 18:43.13 | Twist- | neo: that's a freakin' eye-opener, isn't it? |
| 18:43.13 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 18:43.34 | NivFreak | and they put me on bat duty for some f'd up reason |
| 18:43.36 | NivFreak | =/ |
| 18:44.10 | Twist- | I *thought* I'd been practicing proper ability rotations leveling 60-70 as prot |
| 18:44.23 | Twist- | nope. *splat* |
| 18:44.43 | CIA-8 | 03alar * r58612 10AlarTTFrame/ (AlarTTFrame.lua AlarTTFrame.toc): |
| 18:44.43 | CIA-8 | AlarTTFrame |
| 18:44.43 | CIA-8 | 4.0.4 |
| 18:44.43 | CIA-8 | Fixed: ..\AddOns\AlarTTFrame\AlarTTFrame.lua line attempt to index upvalue 'L' (a nil value) |
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| 18:44.57 | Twist- | and now it's such a joke.. pally tanks in kara are pretty hilarious. |
| 18:45.14 | NivFreak | I used to run a pally as my OT |
| 18:45.17 | NivFreak | it was nice for some things |
| 18:45.19 | NivFreak | a PITA for others |
| 18:45.27 | nevcairiel | kagaro: heh, i'm in hyjal right now, and i have a firebloom node .. guess the instance check needs some love :D |
| 18:45.28 | NivFreak | had to have him MT moroes for example |
| 18:45.31 | NivFreak | he couldn't OT without going OOM |
| 18:45.36 | _neuron_ | can someone add Icy Veins to Babble-Spell? Just had that error on me in arena :P |
| 18:45.37 | NeoTron | Twist-: well tanking nightbane and prince was |
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| 18:45.41 | Twist- | I dont' even use an OT now |
| 18:45.49 | NeoTron | first of all it was really freaky looking at my health drop unable to do anything |
| 18:45.53 | kagaro | nevcairiel: it doesnt check when in an instance |
| 18:45.58 | NeoTron | but primarily it was pretty eye opening to see how much... I didn't see |
| 18:45.59 | Polarina | _neuron_: ? |
| 18:46.01 | NivFreak | Twist-: I bring a bear OT |
| 18:46.03 | Twist- | yeah, pallies need some incoming healing to maintain mana |
| 18:46.05 | NivFreak | he says in cat for most of it |
| 18:46.18 | kagaro | .e. explicitly turned off since in instance you have no position |
| 18:46.22 | Twist- | right.. we have someone play OT for ushers and netherspite |
| 18:46.34 | nevcairiel | kagaro: i know, but somehow one firebloom node sneaked in :P |
| 18:46.37 | Stanzilla | but there are instances that have ore or herbs, kagaro |
| 18:46.38 | _neuron_ | Polarina, Translation for "Icy Veins" (new mage talent) doesn't exist in the english client |
| 18:46.39 | kagaro | ohh rofl |
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| 18:46.50 | NivFreak | We OT some of the shade pulls before netherspite too |
| 18:47.10 | NivFreak | but I've been playing my priest lately |
| 18:47.14 | Polarina | _neuron_: So in English clients, that talent appears in French? Spanish? |
| 18:47.15 | NivFreak | and gearing up another bear |
| 18:47.16 | Twist- | we seem to end up with 3 or 4 priests every week, so.. |
| 18:47.17 | NeoTron | Pkekyo|: I need to boltify some 1500 netherweave cloth |
| 18:47.25 | Pkekyo| | NeoTron: GEIF |
| 18:47.27 | NivFreak | Twist-: yea, that makes it a joke |
| 18:47.28 | _neuron_ | Polarina, just had it error on me |
| 18:47.33 | NivFreak | we have 1-2 |
| 18:47.36 | _neuron_ | Polarina, I'll get the exact error after this 3v3 |
| 18:47.36 | Pkekyo| | mail it to me, I'll bolt it and go eat dinner again |
| 18:47.37 | Twist- | but I've aoe tanked them before |
| 18:47.42 | NeoTron | I have cloth in case I want to pick tailoring up at level 80 |
| 18:47.50 | Polarina | _neuron_: Include a stack trace please. :) |
| 18:47.55 | _neuron_ | yeah I will :) |
| 18:47.56 | NivFreak | Twist-: yea, but I'm a warrior :) |
| 18:48.05 | NivFreak | I can do it, but it reduces my threat a lot |
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| 18:48.13 | NivFreak | and slows us down overall |
| 18:48.21 | Twist- | NivFreak: Yeah.. we're not all perfect. ;) |
| 18:48.28 | NivFreak | heh |
| 18:48.29 | MoonWitch | Ok, I have got to ask something ... |
| 18:49.07 | NivFreak | blizzard really needs to remove the cleave/WW restrictions for number of targets |
| 18:49.13 | NivFreak | and make WW work in dstance |
| 18:49.15 | NivFreak | :) |
| 18:49.17 | Paene | lol |
| 18:49.21 | MoonWitch | I've tried dozens of minimap addons, so far I am liking oMinimap best.. But no matter how I try it MiniMapVoiceChatFrame:Hide() doesn't hide the damn thing, /script MiniMapVoiceChatFrame:Hide() does :( |
| 18:49.27 | *** join/#wowace Meiun| (n=xface@h24n2fls31o883.telia.com) |
| 18:49.35 | MoonWitch | any ideas? |
| 18:49.41 | NivFreak | Having to cycle through targets and give them each a little love really sucks for threat |
| 18:50.01 | chiper | MoonWolf: have you used Mappy? |
| 18:50.15 | MoonWolf | mappy ? |
| 18:50.18 | Twist- | Yeah.. I have a lower level warrior tank.. it's not fun |
| 18:50.24 | chiper | I'm pretty sure it lets you hide the voice frame |
| 18:50.34 | Paene | I think he meant MoonWitch :) |
| 18:50.39 | Paene | unless it's the same person... |
| 18:50.40 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 18:50.40 | chiper | erm, yeah |
| 18:50.42 | Twist- | I still cycle targets when aoe tanking |
| 18:50.44 | MoonWolf | but thats his problem |
| 18:50.49 | Twist- | but it's not so dicey |
| 18:50.51 | chiper | didnt notice there were two moons |
| 18:50.56 | MoonWitch | yeah it does hide, with /script. |
| 18:51.09 | MoonWitch | but in an addon adding that seems to not have any effect |
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| 18:51.15 | MoonWitch | it's driving me bonkers LOL |
| 18:51.26 | Twist- | cheesycration and reflective damage is enough threat to hold off healers |
| 18:51.33 | MoonWitch | oh you meant with Mappy |
| 18:51.41 | MoonWitch | never heard of it, gonna google it |
| 18:52.12 | NivFreak | Twist-: you cycle through and judge or what? |
| 18:52.20 | Recluse | huh, icy veins isn't in babble XD odd |
| 18:52.31 | _neuron_ | Polarina, http://pastebin.com/m4740effc |
| 18:52.47 | MoonWitch | I suppose I could live with the bg and border hidden (thanks for that one Haste) |
| 18:52.49 | Twist- | NivFreak: It depends on what's going on, but often yes. |
| 18:53.04 | haste | (wut?) |
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| 18:53.19 | Recluse | _neuron_: wouldn't be hard to add it, tho :p |
| 18:53.21 | NivFreak | Twist-: autoattack isn't much TPS is it? |
| 18:53.26 | MoonWitch | your oMinimap, I didn't even know you could hide BG and borders of minimap icons... |
| 18:53.33 | _neuron_ | Recluse, I know, but I'm doing arena atm :P |
| 18:53.35 | MoonWitch | thanks to oMinimap I now know :P |
| 18:53.38 | haste | I don't hide them tho' :p |
| 18:53.41 | Polarina | _neuron_: You using the english client? |
| 18:53.45 | _neuron_ | yes |
| 18:53.49 | MoonWitch | MiniMapTrackingBorder:Hide() |
| 18:53.49 | MoonWitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.54 | haste | oh wait, I do |
| 18:53.57 | haste | read it wrong D: |
| 18:54.02 | Twist- | NivFreak: the white damage isn't, but there's a decent smack of holy damage along with it from SoR |
| 18:54.09 | MoonWitch | excellent ... I used that method on the voice chat Icon.. I can live with that |
| 18:54.11 | Stanzilla | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/testrealm.html <. lol awesome changelog |
| 18:54.24 | NivFreak | Twist-: ah |
| 18:54.33 | Polarina | _neuron_: What is the name of the Babble Spell addon at the SVN? |
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| 18:54.50 | Twist- | NivFreak: so the autoattack stays on the main target, and I'll cycle JoR among targets if I'm aoe tanking amidst aoe DPS |
| 18:55.01 | Recluse | zomg!! /castsequence fix <33 |
| 18:55.13 | NivFreak | not JoC? |
| 18:55.22 | MoonWitch | that /castseq fix I will love |
| 18:55.27 | NivFreak | er |
| 18:55.29 | NivFreak | for main target |
| 18:55.41 | Stanzilla | haste: is it possible to display coordinates on the minimap with oMinimap? |
| 18:55.56 | MoonWitch | Stanzilla, that's what I am adding in :P |
| 18:56.01 | haste | Stanzilla: if you add a fontstring, and a OnUpdate to update that fontstring, then yes |
| 18:56.04 | Polarina | _neuron_: Do you know? |
| 18:56.09 | MoonWitch | other then that.. haste? are you married? |
| 18:56.17 | haste | no >:( |
| 18:56.22 | MoonWitch | can I marry you |
| 18:56.23 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 18:56.26 | haste | :D |
| 18:56.26 | Recluse | i had to re-learn how to play without my macros after 2.3.2 hit lol |
| 18:56.29 | Stanzilla | woot |
| 18:56.30 | Stanzilla | k |
| 18:56.51 | MoonWitch | seriously, your addons are light, easy, simple and do what the heck they are meant to do |
| 18:57.02 | Twist- | NivFreak: Nahh, I've never really used crusader |
| 18:57.32 | MoonWitch | ^^ for PvE that is |
| 18:57.38 | Twist- | NivFreak: it'd be more threat over time, but it wastes a judgement cooldown which is counterproductive for snap-threat on trash |
| 18:57.43 | _neuron_ | Polarina, it's in Babble |
| 18:57.46 | _neuron_ | a subdir there |
| 18:57.52 | NivFreak | Twist-: what about on a boss? |
| 18:57.55 | Twist- | NivFreak: and for bosses, I want wisdom up. |
| 18:58.00 | NivFreak | ah |
| 18:58.02 | NivFreak | interesting |
| 18:58.15 | Twist- | this is all 10 man game, of course |
| 18:58.17 | NivFreak | I only know pally tanking from a distance |
| 18:58.19 | Polarina | _neuron_: Ok. |
| 18:58.36 | Twist- | it's pretty rare that I have the luxury of a ret paladin in 10 mans |
| 18:58.39 | Pkekyo| | ding 340 tailoring :) |
| 18:58.45 | Twist- | we run one in our 25s |
| 18:59.01 | kenlyric | ret pally is not a *luxury* |
| 18:59.24 | _neuron_ | thanks :) |
| 18:59.24 | Twist- | Coincidentally, our ret paladin is actually named Luxury. |
| 18:59.47 | CIA-8 | 03aznamir * r58613 10PallyPower/locale/zhTW.lua: |
| 18:59.47 | CIA-8 | PallyPower: |
| 18:59.47 | CIA-8 | - zhTW updated |
| 19:00.32 | Twist- | NivFreak: It's wisdom or a lot of mana pots for me. |
| 19:00.49 | Twist- | I'm cheap, and our big gun DPS doesn't come to the 10 mans anyway |
| 19:00.54 | MoonWitch | NivFreak running out of mana a lot too huh? |
| 19:00.55 | NivFreak | Twist-: our pally used to chug pots to keep his threat high enough |
| 19:01.00 | NivFreak | MoonWitch: I'm a warrior :P |
| 19:01.04 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 19:01.19 | MoonWitch | oops... typed wrong name.... Twist I meant you there |
| 19:01.21 | NivFreak | pally tanks always make me curious |
| 19:01.22 | MoonWitch | sorry |
| 19:01.25 | NivFreak | but every time I try to level one |
| 19:01.26 | NivFreak | I get bored |
| 19:01.47 | Twist- | Yeah.. there's a reason for that old joke about paladins being hte ideal class for watching porn |
| 19:01.50 | MoonWitch | just wait til someone tells you to be main tank AND main healer |
| 19:01.54 | kenlyric | probably because pally is so terribly slow until you hit 35 or so. |
| 19:02.19 | Twist- | It'd be better now that they've nerfed azeroth |
| 19:02.20 | deltron | god I wish we had a geared pally tank for hyjal |
| 19:02.25 | kenlyric | right |
| 19:02.27 | NivFreak | I have a warrior and priest with decent gear |
| 19:02.29 | kenlyric | but they're all better equally :) |
| 19:02.40 | Twist- | leveling to 60 was painful though |
| 19:02.47 | NivFreak | I've raided prot/fury/arms and holy/disc/shadow |
| 19:02.52 | Twist- | ret damage tables off in the low 40s |
| 19:02.55 | NivFreak | so now I'm leveling a mage for ezmode raiding |
| 19:02.56 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 19:03.05 | Twist- | It really is.. My main's a mage. |
| 19:03.07 | MoonWitch | Niv you scare me |
| 19:03.18 | Twist- | I press one. Sometimes, I press two. |
| 19:03.18 | NivFreak | I want to complete the trinity |
| 19:03.19 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 19:03.23 | NivFreak | MoonWitch: why is that? :) |
| 19:03.29 | deltron | mages are much easier now that you don't need to carry around all that bread and water |
| 19:03.32 | NivFreak | Twist-: frost or fire? :) |
| 19:03.35 | MoonWitch | because you have done it all apparently |
| 19:03.39 | Twist- | and I'm working up a shammy now with the intention of going resto |
| 19:03.41 | Polarina | _neuron_: I need the icon for the Icy Vein ability. |
| 19:03.48 | NivFreak | MoonWitch: sadly my progression sucks ;) |
| 19:03.52 | Twist- | NivFreak: fire since 2.3 |
| 19:04.05 | NivFreak | you have to mix it up when you're doing a lot of the same content |
| 19:04.09 | NivFreak | :) |
| 19:04.17 | Twist- | arcane for a long time before that |
| 19:04.21 | MoonWitch | I dropped my shaman after playing a premade on PTR and getting lost with all the totems.. Yata FTW (or any other totem addon) |
| 19:04.23 | Twist- | and I think I'm going back |
| 19:04.30 | MoonWitch | <3 my frost arcane mage |
| 19:04.31 | NivFreak | Twist-: MSD nerf change things for you? |
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| 19:04.53 | Twist- | we hadn't killed kael until 2.3, so not really |
| 19:04.54 | NivFreak | shaman have never really appealed to me |
| 19:05.01 | MoonWitch | and Niv .. I have chars of all classes but warrior |
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| 19:05.05 | deltron | there's no way I could play my shaman without something like yata |
| 19:05.13 | NivFreak | I love my warrior the most |
| 19:05.17 | Twist- | I'm unsure.. I have a 61 preist in mothballs |
| 19:05.28 | MoonWitch | I don't get along with warriors as class for me, why? no idea |
| 19:05.28 | NivFreak | I still need to level a druid to 70 |
| 19:05.29 | Twist- | I want a healer toon, but I'm not sure which class to play |
| 19:05.38 | NivFreak | Twist-: priest |
| 19:05.40 | Stanzilla | priest |
| 19:05.41 | Twist- | I hate my druid, and healing on my priest bores me |
| 19:05.47 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 19:05.48 | MoonWitch | if you can level with someone, priest, if you can't .. something else |
| 19:05.49 | NivFreak | dude |
| 19:05.49 | _neuron_ | Polarina, no idea what that is, or where I find it easily :P |
| 19:05.54 | NivFreak | if healing on your priest is boring |
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| 19:05.54 | Osstia | PvE or PvP healing? |
| 19:05.59 | NivFreak | you're not meant to be a healer |
| 19:06.01 | NivFreak | seriously :) |
| 19:06.04 | Twist- | yeah |
| 19:06.04 | Polarina | _neuron_: I can't fix it otherwise... |
| 19:06.05 | Osstia | I absolutely love healing on my priest |
| 19:06.12 | Twist- | I came to that realization pre TBC |
| 19:06.13 | NivFreak | priests are the most exciting healing class |
| 19:06.19 | Osstia | I find shaman healing boring |
| 19:06.28 | NivFreak | Osstia: spam more chain healz! |
| 19:06.31 | MoonWitch | I did a UC raid on my 41 char (or rather went along in one).. ended up healing more than the actual healer |
| 19:06.32 | Osstia | haha |
| 19:06.35 | Twist- | I soloed the priest to 60 pretty much.. then went into ZG and discovered I absolutely hated raid healing |
| 19:06.37 | MoonWitch | I loved it tbh |
| 19:06.40 | _neuron_ | Polarina, I'll look into it when I'm done pvp'ing, and see if I can't submit a fix :) |
| 19:06.48 | _neuron_ | Polarina, thanks though :) |
| 19:06.55 | Polarina | _neuron_: You're welcome. |
| 19:06.57 | kenlyric | COLLECT ALL NINE http://media.abels.us/games/wow/charscreen/kenlyric_2007-07-11.jpg |
| 19:07.04 | Twist- | I think it's more about alternatives |
| 19:07.06 | NivFreak | Twist-: it's a bit more exciting post-TBC |
| 19:07.17 | Osstia | I think druids make better PvP healers than priests. but I love my priest all the same. My drood will be moonkin when she gets to 70 |
| 19:07.25 | NivFreak | at least, it feels more demanding on average |
| 19:07.25 | Twist- | if I decide I can't stand healing on my priest at 70, what's my other option? I have a mage already. |
| 19:07.37 | kenlyric | Spirit of Redemption means I don't need HP. |
| 19:07.40 | NivFreak | Twist-: new game? :) |
| 19:07.44 | Twist- | If healing on the shammy gets boring, I have a melee DPS toon.. which I've never had. |
| 19:07.46 | NivFreak | kenlyric: hahaha |
| 19:07.53 | Provus | Priests make up 17% of the top 100 |
| 19:07.59 | Provus | Druids make up 14% |
| 19:08.08 | Twist- | NivFreak: mm.. probably not. |
| 19:08.10 | MoonWitch | I like my druid .. she's only lvl13 tho |
| 19:08.10 | Provus | Second only to warriors at 20%, no surprise there. |
| 19:08.16 | xyu | in what bracket? |
| 19:08.23 | Twist- | NivFreak: the toons aren't the game for me, really |
| 19:08.29 | Provus | xyu: all of them |
| 19:08.34 | Provus | Collaboration of the 3 |
| 19:08.35 | Pkekyo| | so...what tailoring specc should I chose? |
| 19:08.36 | Twist- | keeping the guild rolling is. |
| 19:08.36 | xyu | well i think that matters |
| 19:08.36 | NivFreak | Twist-: I mean, if you're bored of your current ones |
| 19:08.44 | xyu | druids excel even more in 2v2 and 3v3 |
| 19:08.54 | NivFreak | yes they do |
| 19:08.56 | xyu | and i dont know where your'e getting your data from |
| 19:08.58 | xyu | but |
| 19:08.59 | NivFreak | they are nuts in 2s/3s |
| 19:09.09 | xyu | SK gaming lists druids as number 2 |
| 19:09.11 | xyu | most played class |
| 19:09.13 | xyu | in pvp |
| 19:09.13 | NivFreak | top 2vs are druid + X |
| 19:09.23 | NivFreak | pick your class |
| 19:09.32 | kenlyric | http://media.abels.us/games/wow/prettiest_2007-12-28_holidaymashup.jpg still good |
| 19:09.34 | MoonWitch | when I pvp, I really hate shamans with their earth bind |
| 19:09.36 | xyu | http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player |
| 19:09.42 | NivFreak | MoonWitch: kill the totems |
| 19:09.43 | Provus | I was just about to link that |
| 19:10.03 | MoonWitch | niv, I usually cast consecrate to kill a few totems |
| 19:10.03 | xyu | then why do you say priests are #2? |
| 19:10.05 | xyu | :D |
| 19:10.05 | Provus | The hell? |
| 19:10.15 | Provus | http://www.gameriot.com/blogs/World-of-Ming/SK-Gamings-New-ArenaPlayer-Stats-Reveals-A-Lot-About-Arena-Balance/ It was at the time |
| 19:10.34 | NivFreak | I love my priest in arena |
| 19:10.37 | NivFreak | so much fun |
| 19:10.48 | NivFreak | I tank in pve on my warrior, I tank in pvp on my priest |
| 19:10.48 | xyu | Provus: i think that's when armory was out of whack imo |
| 19:10.49 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 19:11.04 | Twist- | So.. I really think that the shaman should have a movement speed buff totem ;) |
| 19:11.14 | xyu | yeah priests can be pretty annoying too, but i think druid are far worse. |
| 19:11.18 | NivFreak | Twist-: so that you move fast until you're 30 yards away? :) |
| 19:11.18 | xyu | priest can be CC'd at least :P |
| 19:11.20 | Provus | It could be out of wack right now. |
| 19:11.24 | Twist- | NivFreak: exactly |
| 19:11.27 | xyu | nah armory is working now. |
| 19:11.37 | NivFreak | too bad wowjutsu seems to still be hosed |
| 19:11.51 | NivFreak | I don't think we've gotten a really update since 2.3 hit |
| 19:11.53 | xyu | I really want to try 5 tree druid team, and the whole goal is to make the other team /afk in humiliation. |
| 19:11.53 | Twist- | NivFreak: it should increase speed by 5% per pulse |
| 19:11.58 | Provus | If wowjutsu is hosed what's to say this isn't working right either? |
| 19:11.59 | xyu | can you imagine? oh that'd suck |
| 19:12.04 | NivFreak | xyu: banish |
| 19:12.04 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 19:12.24 | xyu | banish is fine |
| 19:12.27 | xyu | makes them immune |
| 19:12.37 | xyu | that's what they want :P they're not going to do any dmg |
| 19:12.42 | xyu | just make the game 30 minutes long |
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| 19:12.44 | NivFreak | clearly 4 warlocks and a mage |
| 19:12.51 | Twist- | xyu: that's a fantastic idea |
| 19:12.53 | xyu | mage can't dps a druid |
| 19:12.58 | NivFreak | why not? |
| 19:13.00 | xyu | druids laugh at mages |
| 19:13.06 | xyu | it better be arcane pyro |
| 19:13.12 | Twist- | no, but 4 warlocks and a mage can DPS a druid |
| 19:13.13 | xyu | and he better crit |
| 19:13.23 | NivFreak | 4 banished trees |
| 19:13.25 | NivFreak | 1 dies in 10 seconds |
| 19:13.27 | NivFreak | next |
| 19:13.31 | xyu | yeah true but you'd have to come against that team |
| 19:13.32 | xyu | and really |
| 19:13.36 | xyu | i've never seen it :P |
| 19:13.37 | NivFreak | I'm just saying |
| 19:13.43 | NivFreak | fantasy matchup breaker |
| 19:13.45 | NivFreak | :) |
| 19:13.50 | xyu | you dont have to go tree form of course |
| 19:13.54 | xyu | banish has a cast time doens't it? |
| 19:13.56 | xyu | break tree |
| 19:13.58 | xyu | slash laugh |
| 19:13.59 | Twist- | but the totems are a great idea.. you'd just keep dropping them as you ran to increase your speed |
| 19:14.17 | Twist- | and teams of shamen could create zip strips in BGs |
| 19:14.20 | NivFreak | xyu: I think you'd die fast enough |
| 19:14.38 | Twist- | line 'em up along the tunnel in WSG |
| 19:14.39 | xyu | 5 Natures swiftness, i dunno we'd have to see :D |
| 19:14.40 | NivFreak | assist train isn't very healable with a lot of teams |
| 19:14.56 | xyu | 5 cyclones |
| 19:14.57 | xyu | 5 roots |
| 19:15.05 | xyu | most 5's teams |
| 19:15.06 | xyu | run warr |
| 19:15.09 | xyu | even 2 war |
| 19:15.15 | NivFreak | 2 warriors is retarded |
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| 19:15.24 | NivFreak | I'm not even a fan of 2 melee |
| 19:15.35 | Twist- | Prot pallies are pretty comedy |
| 19:15.43 | xyu | yeah me either |
| 19:15.45 | Twist- | "why the hell won't their healer die?" |
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| 19:15.49 | xyu | war, pal, shaman, priest, lock :D |
| 19:16.02 | NivFreak | I just started a 5v5 to try and play |
| 19:16.05 | NivFreak | some undergeared folks |
| 19:16.07 | NivFreak | but it's |
| 19:16.10 | Twist- | of course this is in the 1500 welfare epics bracket |
| 19:16.23 | NivFreak | disc priest / holy paladin / SLSL lock / Elemental Shaman/ War |
| 19:16.26 | xyu | yeah i have fun in 5's even though we don't win. |
| 19:16.36 | NivFreak | we had a rogue instead of the shaman |
| 19:16.39 | NivFreak | but it wasn't working out |
| 19:16.57 | xyu | i like to steal bloodlust then icy veins |
| 19:17.02 | NivFreak | haha |
| 19:17.17 | NivFreak | I haven't done much 5v5 on my priest before |
| 19:17.19 | NivFreak | it's interesting |
| 19:17.32 | Polarina | I want to see how a 5v5 works out with these classes: Mage, mage, mage, mage, mage. SHEEP FTW! |
| 19:17.34 | NivFreak | I've been playing with using mass dispell when a bloodlust goes off |
| 19:17.41 | xyu | the benefit of having a shaman is "Hey at least i wont' be assist trained first" |
| 19:17.52 | Twist- | Polarina: that's not as fun as it was pre TBC |
| 19:18.05 | Polarina | Twist-: Huh? |
| 19:18.05 | Twist- | 10 mage warsongs |
| 19:18.07 | NivFreak | xyu: if we see an elemental or enh shaman, we usually assist train them first |
| 19:18.09 | xyu | yeah i dont think 5 mages would work. |
| 19:18.17 | Twist- | Polarina: poly's been nerfed so hugely |
| 19:18.25 | Polarina | Twist-: :( |
| 19:18.27 | NivFreak | poly -> pom -> pyro |
| 19:18.29 | NivFreak | then AoE? |
| 19:18.33 | xyu | yeah NivFreak: so if you're a priest in a 5's team, you can rest easy |
| 19:18.40 | xyu | because you know that shaman is going to have his work cut out :P |
| 19:18.44 | NivFreak | haha |
| 19:18.51 | Polarina | I want to see how a 5v5 works out with these classes: Rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue. SAP FTW! |
| 19:18.55 | NivFreak | going from a lot of 3s to 5s |
| 19:19.00 | NivFreak | I get assisted a lot less |
| 19:19.08 | NivFreak | hunters/warriors/rogues love me |
| 19:19.19 | NivFreak | but I can handle a warrior/rogue just fine |
| 19:19.23 | xyu | resto druid, druid, druid, druid, druid....you can't win !!!! |
| 19:19.24 | NivFreak | hunters are a bit of a PITA |
| 19:19.29 | xyu | and neither can they! |
| 19:19.37 | NivFreak | haha |
| 19:19.57 | NivFreak | 2.3.3 eh |
| 19:20.13 | NivFreak | my predicition is |
| 19:20.19 | NivFreak | WotLK 01/09 |
| 19:20.38 | Polarina | I want to see how a 5(10)v5 works out with these classes and mobs: Hunter, pet, hunter, pet, hunter, pet, hunter, pet, hunter, pet. |
| 19:21.12 | NivFreak | all BM |
| 19:21.16 | NivFreak | all BW out the gate |
| 19:21.26 | Sais | Is that 1st Sept, 9th Jan, or Jan 2009? ;) |
| 19:21.27 | NivFreak | I dunno, trade 1 for a shaman |
| 19:21.40 | NivFreak | jan 09 |
| 19:21.46 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 19:21.48 | sag_ich_nicht | what the hell |
| 19:21.50 | sag_ich_nicht | where is nymbia |
| 19:21.52 | sag_ich_nicht | ~seen nymbia |
| 19:21.54 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@75-166-33-237.hlrn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 10d 20h 18m 36s ago, saying: 'hot'. |
| 19:21.58 | sag_ich_nicht | noes |
| 19:22.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i have found a bug in quartz |
| 19:22.14 | NivFreak | sag_ich_nicht: what was the name of that minimap button addon you were using? |
| 19:22.17 | Sais | sequence its DNA |
| 19:22.24 | sag_ich_nicht | NivFreak: minimap button bag |
| 19:22.26 | NivFreak | haha |
| 19:22.34 | NivFreak | why I couldn't grep that out of my logs |
| 19:22.36 | NivFreak | I don't know |
| 19:23.10 | sag_ich_nicht | the quartz swingtimer is started when you take environmental damage(e.g. the hot coals in the military ward in IF) |
| 19:24.31 | Xinhuan | sag_ich_nicht: doesn't happen to me |
| 19:24.37 | Xinhuan | i stood in the coals, no swing timer |
| 19:24.41 | sag_ich_nicht | well wth |
| 19:24.46 | sag_ich_nicht | you sure you have it enabled? |
| 19:24.49 | sag_ich_nicht | happens every time for me |
| 19:24.49 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 19:24.52 | Xinhuan | its enabled |
| 19:25.12 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm also getting a short freeze in WoW |
| 19:25.18 | xyu | to make the 5 druid team even more annoying, make sure everyone just stays stealth for as long as possible :P |
| 19:25.21 | sag_ich_nicht | which is weird |
| 19:25.27 | NivFreak | sag_ich_nicht: is this year old version the right one? |
| 19:25.48 | sag_ich_nicht | NivFreak: mine is from wowinterface.com, i dunno |
| 19:26.42 | nevcairiel | does anyone know a simple tool to create daily backups of the WTF folder? |
| 19:26.52 | NivFreak | cron? |
| 19:26.59 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 19:27.05 | Stanzilla | .bat file + windows task |
| 19:27.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: i haven't tested this with no other addons enabled, so i assume this(especially since i'm getting a short freeze) might be caused by some addon triggering the event that causes the swingtimer to start |
| 19:27.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: ideas? :> |
| 19:27.29 | Xinhuan | no idea |
| 19:27.47 | sag_ich_nicht | meh |
| 19:27.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll have to debug this later |
| 19:28.03 | sag_ich_nicht | remind me please should i forget |
| 19:28.04 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 19:28.42 | Xinhuan | i could be a genious, but i'm not a genie ;p |
| 19:28.48 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
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| 19:29.45 | Primer | Could WAU be used for an addon that doesn't use Ace at all? Just curious |
| 19:29.53 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 19:30.20 | NivFreak | sag_ich_nicht: ah, it's in SVN as MBB |
| 19:30.22 | Primer | I wonder why other mod developers don't use WAU then. Does it require that their mod exist in Ace SVN? |
| 19:30.28 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:30.29 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 19:30.40 | Primer | ok, I guess that'd be an impediment |
| 19:30.49 | NivFreak | Primer: use jwowupdater |
| 19:30.50 | Arrowmaster | although WAU can also run a cmd line svn client for you to update mods located on any svn |
| 19:30.54 | Xinhuan | not every addon author likes the "openness" of wowace svn |
| 19:31.08 | NivFreak | Primer: it can handle mods from curse and wowinterface |
| 19:31.10 | kenlyric | or the "release now" state of Wau |
| 19:31.10 | Xinhuan | where anyone with an account can edit anyone's else mod |
| 19:31.19 | Arrowmaster | not true |
| 19:31.23 | Arrowmaster | some mods are locked |
| 19:31.32 | Xinhuan | some - only when requested |
| 19:31.44 | Arrowmaster | nobody can touch SCT |
| 19:32.03 | Primer | Arrowmaster: command line SVN..implying that one has a command line SVN client on their windows box? |
| 19:32.10 | NivFreak | what was the SCT alternative that you all liked? |
| 19:32.15 | Primer | or does WAU have that built in? |
| 19:32.15 | NivFreak | I meant to try it |
| 19:32.16 | kergoth | NivFreak: WAU can handle wowi and curse? since when? |
| 19:32.16 | Arrowmaster | Primer: yes |
| 19:32.22 | kergoth | i use msbt, myself |
| 19:32.23 | NivFreak | kergoth: JWU |
| 19:32.28 | kergoth | ah, right |
| 19:32.34 | Stanzilla | MSBT is the best, imo |
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| 19:32.46 | NivFreak | I much prefer JWU to WAU |
| 19:33.03 | Primer | NivFreak: so JWU can update ACE addons as well as those other 2? |
| 19:33.06 | NivFreak | the only feature I like from WAU that JWU is missing, is the saved variables cleanup |
| 19:33.07 | Arrowmaster | Primer: install the cmd line svn client and wau can update any mods in your addon folder checked out via svn |
| 19:33.17 | Xinhuan | but the svn is good for localizers |
| 19:33.20 | NivFreak | Primer: it's primary job is ACE svn updates, it can ALSO handle curse and wowui |
| 19:33.21 | xyu | i only use ace2 anyway |
| 19:33.30 | Xinhuan | to quickler get your mod localized |
| 19:33.35 | Arrowmaster | ~lart xyu |
| 19:33.35 | purl | plops xyu into a giant vat of herring |
| 19:33.40 | NivFreak | Primer: the curse and wowui stuff is a bit more manual since there is no index in the client |
| 19:34.15 | Primer | NivFreak: well, seeing that WAU is able to crash the .net runtime, I think I might like JWU more |
| 19:34.24 | NivFreak | haha |
| 19:34.26 | Primer | not that I like java... |
| 19:34.30 | Primer | </disclaimer> |
| 19:34.34 | NivFreak | I'm no java fan either |
| 19:34.35 | nevcairiel | man hyjal reputation is way too slow |
| 19:34.37 | NivFreak | but it works great |
| 19:34.49 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel, 2700 rep per full clear :P |
| 19:34.52 | xyu | nevcairiel: i know :( |
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| 19:34.54 | Xinhuan | +10% for human |
| 19:34.59 | xyu | i'm 19k away from exalted |
| 19:35.03 | Xinhuan | 2700 assumes no wipes too |
| 19:35.04 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: i know, still too slow. still 9k to exalted :P |
| 19:35.11 | Primer | I've never been in Hyjal :( |
| 19:35.17 | Xinhuan | dodge less! :P |
| 19:36.05 | xyu | 19k more to exalted still gonna take a long ass time |
| 19:36.05 | Primer | my guild sucks...we're only now working through SSC and TK |
| 19:36.05 | NeoTron | so last night on vent, somehow we got into a discussion I think related to kael'thas that involved him being worse than chocolate and err male reproductive organ icecream |
| 19:36.05 | nevcairiel | last week was great |
| 19:36.05 | Stanzilla | 11,4k till exalted :( |
| 19:36.06 | nevcairiel | we wiped our way through to archimonde |
| 19:36.06 | NeoTron | someone made a comment asking if it was ben and jerry's and I said "so it's extra chunky then?" |
| 19:36.06 | nevcairiel | 4k reputation or so |
| 19:36.06 | kenlyric | chocolate and dick? |
| 19:36.06 | NeoTron | kenlyric: yeah I believe so |
| 19:36.06 | Xinhuan | <-- exalted |
| 19:36.06 | kenlyric | really goes better with strawberry than chocolate |
| 19:36.06 | xyu | nevcairiel: more rep or not, doing those waves over again, is so frustrating |
| 19:36.11 | ggilbert | Primer: Honestly, I don't think your missing much. Hyjal has neat gear, but overall I haven't been a fan of the instance. |
| 19:36.16 | ggilbert | you're |
| 19:36.16 | NeoTron | it might hav ebeen that I don't recall. I just remember it going downhill from there |
| 19:36.18 | xyu | and the ring i get isn't that great, the ZA ring is better. |
| 19:36.32 | nevcairiel | my ring owns imho |
| 19:36.38 | Kemayo | Yes. |
| 19:36.41 | Primer | ggilbert: except...it's all about the gear! |
| 19:36.43 | Xinhuan | hyjal is a really fun and relaxing instance once its on farm |
| 19:36.47 | xyu | i just wish our ZA groups took the timer seriously |
| 19:36.51 | xyu | I can't get my mana attuned band :( |
| 19:36.52 | Xinhuan | you don't have to worry about pulls at all |
| 19:36.54 | Kemayo | Drat. I need to notice when I'm scrolled back. |
| 19:36.55 | NeoTron | just visualize this extra... chunky icecream |
| 19:36.58 | Xinhuan | the mobs come to you |
| 19:37.10 | Xinhuan | and you kill at the speed you can clear trash at |
| 19:37.10 | NeoTron | hyjal can be hell and it can be mundane |
| 19:37.13 | Xinhuan | its great |
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| 19:37.21 | NivFreak | so parrot is a resource hog, right? |
| 19:37.22 | xyu | we're just starting on Archimonde. we wiped in the first 30 seconds lol |
| 19:37.25 | NeoTron | I don't find it particulatily GREAT in any way. I enjoy BT more |
| 19:37.32 | xyu | we pulled. someone died |
| 19:37.33 | xyu | we wiped |
| 19:37.36 | Primer | So since we're off-topic and discussing the game, I have a 66 holy priest, and was wondering what I should concentrate on: healing bonus, mana pool, or...? |
| 19:37.37 | xyu | badaboom badabing |
| 19:37.39 | kenlyric | I love the outdoor instances in theory. |
| 19:37.44 | kenlyric | not always in practice |
| 19:37.44 | NeoTron | xyu: our first attempt we took him down to 80% or so I think |
| 19:37.50 | Xinhuan | bt has tons more trash, which are far more annoying |
| 19:37.59 | xyu | yeah NeoTron we did too. he really doesn't have that much health IMO |
| 19:38.01 | Xinhuan | like swords the whirlwind, mobs that mind control |
| 19:38.04 | Kemayo | NivFreak: I don't recall it being particularly different from MSBT, in terms of resource usage. |
| 19:38.07 | Xinhuan | and fear and shit |
| 19:38.15 | Xinhuan | mobs that dismount |
| 19:38.15 | NivFreak | Kemayo: how about compared to SCT? |
| 19:38.16 | kenlyric | Primer: unless you're pvp, you don't care about mana pool. |
| 19:38.21 | Xinhuan | its just annoying |
| 19:38.23 | Primer | kenlyric: I'm not |
| 19:38.24 | kenlyric | Primer: mana regen *is* your mana pool |
| 19:38.27 | Kivin | Primer: Just grab what you can on the way to 70. At 70, aim for ~10k mana and +1k-1.2k heals if you're looking at raiding |
| 19:38.34 | NeoTron | BT trash is easy too |
| 19:38.36 | Xinhuan | compared to the straight forward trash in hyjal |
| 19:38.39 | Primer | my goal is raiding |
| 19:38.42 | NeoTron | I guess maybe I have a different perspective on hyjal |
| 19:38.46 | Kemayo | NivFreak: I haven't used SCT in about 18 months, so I really couldn't tell you. :) |
| 19:38.47 | NeoTron | being master looter on trash sucks |
| 19:38.54 | NeoTron | in hyjal |
| 19:38.57 | Primer | right now I'm at 992 healing bonus, unbuffed and un-enchanted (at 66) |
| 19:39.00 | NivFreak | NeoTron: haha |
| 19:39.02 | xyu | One thing that irks me about hyjal trash, those gargoyles in the back often drop Epic trash loot |
| 19:39.08 | xyu | and the people in the front are OOR to get it |
| 19:39.10 | xyu | so it rots |
| 19:39.16 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 19:39.17 | Xinhuan | you drag the gargs to the front |
| 19:39.18 | Primer | does that seem ok? |
| 19:39.20 | Xinhuan | its asy |
| 19:39.24 | NivFreak | Primer: just got 375 tailoring and make PMC |
| 19:39.27 | NivFreak | and whitemend |
| 19:39.33 | NivFreak | s/got/go/ |
| 19:39.34 | Primer | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Ihavenoidea |
| 19:39.37 | Primer | there's my toon |
| 19:39.48 | Xinhuan | just send 2 locks to the back, dot up all the gargoyles, have 2 healers follow them, and run back to the front |
| 19:40.03 | Xinhuan | then all the gargs will follow and get killed/aoed by the main raid |
| 19:40.10 | xyu | won't thet head hunters have aggro? |
| 19:40.13 | kenlyric | Primer: start raiding and for god's sake,gg et better gems |
| 19:40.15 | NeoTron | npc's can pull it off you if all you do is dot |
| 19:40.21 | Xinhuan | nope, the locks generate more aggro |
| 19:40.23 | NeoTron | kenlyric: at level 66? :P |
| 19:40.24 | Primer | NivFreak: yeah, except my main is tailoring, and I'd hate to have the same professions on 2 toons. I figured I'd simply get good heroic gear and get crafted BoP set |
| 19:40.25 | Xinhuan | than the HH |
| 19:40.38 | Primer | kenlyric: the better gem is expensive! |
| 19:40.40 | kenlyric | level, get better gems, then start raiding |
| 19:40.45 | kenlyric | Primer: I don't care. |
| 19:40.47 | Xinhuan | you don't need to drag all 8 gargs |
| 19:40.52 | Xinhuan | dragging 6 or 7 is ok |
| 19:40.55 | kenlyric | well, I guess if it's not 70 gear, it's ok. |
| 19:40.56 | Kivin | Primer: uncommon quality gems are perfectly fine |
| 19:41.00 | Xinhuan | the last 1 or 2 gets killed by npcs |
| 19:41.03 | kenlyric | BUT I BETTER NOT SEE THOSE IN EPICS! |
| 19:41.11 | Primer | kenlyric: I was thinking I'd get the better gems at 70 |
| 19:41.18 | kenlyric | +13 is rare, right? |
| 19:41.23 | NivFreak | Primer: you can always drop tailoring after you replace the gear |
| 19:41.24 | Kivin | that's uncommon |
| 19:41.25 | Primer | my main is also a miner, I have a ton of gems in the bank |
| 19:41.27 | kenlyric | ah |
| 19:41.32 | kenlyric | see, I kno nothing about red gems |
| 19:41.39 | Primer | kenlyric: no, the +13 healing is uncommon |
| 19:41.55 | Primer | I have 2 stacks of blood garnets on my main, which is why I opted for that one |
| 19:42.06 | Kivin | I refuse to put a rare qual in my epics. they cost 35x more money for like... 5 more helas? |
| 19:42.07 | NeoTron | I wouldn't consider putting rare gems in levelling gear, nor in green geer so yeah that's fine |
| 19:42.07 | Kivin | heals* |
| 19:42.08 | kenlyric | that's fine. |
| 19:42.20 | NeoTron | Kivin: nub! |
| 19:42.29 | kenlyric | but http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24057 get to know this for your 70 gear. |
| 19:42.31 | NeoTron | Kivin: thing is, in epic gear with lots of slots, it adds up |
| 19:42.51 | Kivin | NeoTron: flame away. and if I added up all the slots I have, it doesn't really add up |
| 19:43.02 | Kivin | I will not justify hundreds of gold spent for like 20 more heals |
| 19:43.06 | Xinhuan | 3 more heals x 12 gems = 36 more healing == about 1 item |
| 19:43.15 | Xinhuan | worth of healing |
| 19:43.16 | Arrowmaster | so i got a call less than an hour ago from roadrunner asking if i wanted to upgrade to roadrunner turbo, just checked my routers bandwidth logs and ive downloaded 101.91 GB so far this month |
| 19:43.16 | xyu | I'm a min/maxer so the epic gems are important |
| 19:43.17 | kenlyric | 12 gems? |
| 19:43.18 | xyu | epic/rare |
| 19:43.23 | kenlyric | not in the epics we're talking about ;) |
| 19:43.25 | Primer | kenlyric: so mana per second is important...ok |
| 19:43.33 | kenlyric | Primer: not really |
| 19:43.42 | Kivin | Primer: mp5 is > all |
| 19:43.45 | kenlyric | spirit is just as good, but for gems you win through rounding with those gems |
| 19:43.54 | Xinhuan | i dunno about you, but if yu have +30 healing from gems, that +30 healing is like +2% more healing if you have +1200 heal |
| 19:43.55 | NeoTron | rare gems are unbalanced |
| 19:44.04 | kenlyric | those gems should be 9 healing 1.5mp5 |
| 19:44.05 | NeoTron | specifically the hybrid heal/mp5 gems are better |
| 19:44.07 | Xinhuan | it makes a difference |
| 19:44.11 | kenlyric | but they round up, so you get free .5mpt |
| 19:44.16 | NeoTron | because you either get healing + 2 mp5 or 3 mp5 |
| 19:44.23 | Arrowmaster | people bitch at me for having 2x+7dmg gems in my chest instead of 2x+9dmg |
| 19:44.24 | NeoTron | right |
| 19:44.41 | xyu | my guild requires rare gems to raid |
| 19:44.47 | NeoTron | it depends on the level of the guild but we pretty much require you to use rare gems |
| 19:44.50 | xyu | and enchanted gear |
| 19:44.51 | kenlyric | actually when you go up to epic, you lose that rounding bonus, so it's a bit of a letdown. |
| 19:44.54 | NeoTron | I also wouldn't expect anyone not to use them |
| 19:44.59 | NeoTron | ofc on new items ppl get epic gems now |
| 19:45.10 | NeoTron | kenlyric: indeed |
| 19:45.14 | Arrowmaster | were a bt/hyjal guild |
| 19:45.24 | kenlyric | is there a healing/spirit epic gem? |
| 19:45.24 | Primer | I've pondered getting my Ring of Blood reward healing mace enchanted, just because I figure I'll probably keep it til 70 |
| 19:45.26 | NeoTron | once you get to epic, pure gems will always be better.. if you can figure out which one is best :P |
| 19:45.35 | Primer | thoughts on that? |
| 19:45.35 | NeoTron | kenlyric: yeah |
| 19:45.39 | Arrowmaster | but the chest i have those uncommen gems in is FSW |
| 19:45.51 | NeoTron | Primer: I wouldn't waste too much on levelling gear |
| 19:45.52 | Arrowmaster | something im trying to replace |
| 19:45.58 | Josh_Borke | Primer: you'll get a new weapon pretty quickly at 70 |
| 19:46.00 | NeoTron | there's a really cheap l70 ilevel 115 healing mace you can get |
| 19:46.04 | Josh_Borke | Primer: a good healing mace drops from mech |
| 19:46.09 | NeoTron | BoE |
| 19:46.13 | Primer | heh, I have Essence Focusser in the bank :) |
| 19:46.15 | xyu | i have 5 Runed Crimson Spinels in my gear ^_^ |
| 19:46.30 | Kivin | I replaced my essence focuser in less than 48 hrs |
| 19:46.37 | Kivin | The mechanar mace owns it |
| 19:46.45 | Primer | well, my guild will take me to Kara once I'm attuned, day 1 |
| 19:46.49 | NeoTron | essence focuser is easy as heck to get :P |
| 19:46.56 | kenlyric | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kargath&n=Kenlyric |
| 19:47.17 | Primer | since one of our raid healers (yes, we still raid kara, gearing up the noobs) wants to gear up his mage |
| 19:47.19 | NeoTron | kenlyric: ah epic gem.. I don't believe there's a spirit /healing epic.. just rare |
| 19:47.20 | kenlyric | essence waaaa |
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| 19:47.46 | kenlyric | you sell that shit and get real gear. |
| 19:47.52 | xyu | I have a quick priest pvp question. If my partner is a warrior, should i go shadow or disc? i'm thinking priest / war is kind of a bad combination to begin with but its really just for fun / points. |
| 19:48.05 | NivFreak | disc |
| 19:48.07 | kenlyric | disc |
| 19:48.16 | Xinhuan | holy |
| 19:48.16 | kergoth | general question, how do hunters do in arena? leveling a new one |
| 19:48.18 | Xinhuan | j/k |
| 19:48.27 | NivFreak | kergoth: depends on the hunter ;) |
| 19:48.31 | kenlyric | holy is good if you have more people to heal |
| 19:48.43 | kenlyric | but 2/2 means you have only 1 or 0 people to heal, so holy is entirely wasted |
| 19:48.43 | xyu | i just don't know how we're going to dps |
| 19:48.48 | xyu | war / priest really doesn't have much CC |
| 19:48.49 | xyu | qq |
| 19:48.53 | kenlyric | and by holy I mean spirit of redemption |
| 19:49.05 | Kivin | xyu: warrior is a very high dps class in arena |
| 19:49.07 | NivFreak | I dunno |
| 19:49.29 | NivFreak | I'll take disc over holy in 5v |
| 19:49.37 | xyu | what does a disc priest go for? i've always been shadow. Do i get +healing +resil? |
| 19:49.38 | Kivin | dot up both opponents, mana burn the healer if one exists, and gank. |
| 19:49.40 | xyu | or do i need like some shadow? |
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| 19:49.42 | NivFreak | a living priest is more useful than a dead one |
| 19:49.51 | NivFreak | xyu: you always get resil |
| 19:49.52 | Kivin | xyu: Resil above all |
| 19:49.57 | xyu | well yes resil i know |
| 19:49.57 | Arrowmaster | warriors: the best tanking and best pvp class yet they also bitch the most, priceless |
| 19:49.59 | NivFreak | !c us frostwolf prayforit |
| 19:50.02 | ThraeBot | NivFreak: Prayforit, Level 70 Undead Priest (44/17/0). 7731 HP; 9702 Mana; 371 mana regen; 217 mp5; 590 +spell dmg; 1786 +heal; 4.90% dodge; 71 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1086 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrr338 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/348lan ][ Updated: Wed Jan 16 14:57:09 2008 EST ]] |
| 19:50.04 | dylanm | Warriors hit really, really hard. |
| 19:50.07 | NivFreak | my priest I'm working on |
| 19:50.12 | NivFreak | er |
| 19:50.13 | xyu | but out of hte pvp options, i should get ALL the healy pvp gear? |
| 19:50.16 | NivFreak | logged out in the wrong gear |
| 19:50.17 | NivFreak | hahaha |
| 19:50.17 | xyu | or get some dps healy gear too |
| 19:50.29 | Pkekyo| | what tailoring specialization should I chose for my mage? |
| 19:50.38 | xyu | pve? spellfire |
| 19:50.41 | kenlyric | xyu: I'd say healing. |
| 19:50.43 | NivFreak | Pkekyo|: spellcloth if you're gonna raid ;) |
| 19:50.47 | Pkekyo| | both pvp and pvp |
| 19:50.49 | kenlyric | now that healing has spell damage on it. |
| 19:50.50 | Pkekyo| | pve and pvp* |
| 19:50.58 | xyu | unfortunately |
| 19:50.58 | NivFreak | the tailoring stuff has no stam on it really |
| 19:51.01 | xyu | that doesn't exist for mages |
| 19:51.01 | NivFreak | so it's fairly useless for pvp |
| 19:51.01 | xyu | really |
| 19:51.10 | Pkekyo| | was considering mooncloth |
| 19:51.15 | NivFreak | why? |
| 19:51.15 | xyu | You can't really pvp and pve w/ a mage. You can but you'll be mediocre at aboth |
| 19:51.26 | CIA-8 | 03jncl * r58614 10Skinner/ (16 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:51.26 | CIA-8 | Skinner: Skinned BattleCry, TuringTest, Armory & Quartz |
| 19:51.26 | CIA-8 | - Updated FishingBuddy, CBRipoff, Squeenix, AutoBag, AucAdvanced, Outfitter, Omen, SmartBuff skins |
| 19:51.51 | Pkekyo| | make a profit from it + I need 18slotters on all my toons :p |
| 19:52.03 | kergoth | someone should do a new skinner, but looking less crappy, and less horribly inefficient |
| 19:52.06 | xyu | As a newer level 70 mage who is looking for pve and PVP, i'd go frost. |
| 19:52.15 | xyu | frost is good for 5 mans up to kara |
| 19:52.44 | NightHawkAtWork | you'd still be better off going spellcloth or shadowcloth to make the bop set, its not as if you CANT make mooncloth without that specialization |
| 19:52.48 | Arrowmaster | does skinner still use that system where you have to copy files from one dir to another? |
| 19:53.00 | durcyn | yes, Arrow |
| 19:53.06 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:53.15 | Arrowmaster | doesnt that like not work at all with WAU |
| 19:53.30 | durcyn | if you've set WAU to delete before updating, it'll break every time. |
| 19:53.48 | Arrowmaster | i mean like if you copy then update, the one being used will never get updated |
| 19:53.56 | durcyn | also that |
| 19:54.12 | durcyn | which is retarded, because 99% of the addon skins could be wrapped with an if check on the target addon namespace |
| 19:54.12 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 19:54.32 | NeoTron | xyu: then it's good again on illidan :P |
| 19:54.51 | durcyn | in fact many are, now that i look at them. |
| 19:55.23 | Arrowmaster | the different dirs is its 'module' system for enabling and disabling |
| 19:55.32 | kergoth | to save a miniscule amount of ram |
| 19:55.33 | kergoth | pointless |
| 19:55.52 | xyu | NeoTron: it's pretty good overall if you can keep your water ele alive ^^ |
| 19:55.59 | kergoth | hmm, i should add a bunch of addons to NShakedown |
| 19:56.00 | Arrowmaster | if not Addon then return end |
| 19:56.03 | xyu | it's not superior but it's definitely competitive |
| 19:56.09 | Arrowmaster | omg ram saved |
| 19:56.13 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 19:56.48 | xyu | my ram is precious |
| 19:56.50 | xyu | i only have 1g :( |
| 19:57.00 | Elsia | heya |
| 19:57.08 | kergoth | i have 2.. should really move up to 4 at some point |
| 19:57.18 | xyu | i bought 2 gigs, but one of the sticks is bad |
| 19:57.21 | xyu | and then i lost the bad stick |
| 19:57.22 | xyu | so i can't RMA it |
| 19:57.25 | xyu | i suck ;; |
| 19:57.28 | Xinhuan | for i moment, i thoughtyou meant you bought a ram mount |
| 19:57.32 | Xinhuan | and nly have 1gold left |
| 19:57.34 | Xinhuan | only* |
| 19:57.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:57.43 | xyu | haha |
| 19:57.47 | xyu | ram mounts are the best though |
| 19:57.55 | xyu | becuase of the noise they make when you spacebar |
| 19:58.20 | Arrowmaster | i have ram mounts on 3 of my horde chars, 2 of them cant even use them |
| 19:58.34 | Arrowmaster | i use them to taunt our MT to was less than 10 tickets away from getting one |
| 19:58.41 | xyu | ouch |
| 19:59.02 | Xinhuan | hah |
| 20:00.02 | kergoth | someone should try making a lil addon to show you whats bound to what, and let you disable a binding without digging around the keybindings page to figure out what the hell its buond to (for modifier bindigns interfereing with macros) |
| 20:00.20 | Xinhuan | is that even possible |
| 20:00.28 | Xinhuan | to tell what function a key is binded to |
| 20:00.41 | kergoth | dunno. i think it is for regular bindings, not sure about override stuffs |
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| 20:00.49 | Xinhuan | what about addon binds |
| 20:00.52 | xyu | kergoth: i use an addon called "Spellbinder" |
| 20:00.59 | xyu | is that what you mean? |
| 20:01.01 | kergoth | no |
| 20:01.07 | Xinhuan | i thought you can only query a function to find out what is binded to it, rather than query a key to find out what it is binded to |
| 20:01.53 | Primer | so in JWU, "no exterals" is set, but IIRC the recommended value for this in WAU was for it to use externals. Do I want to toggle that in JWU so it uses externals? |
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| 20:02.16 | Xinhuan | that's for you to decide |
| 20:02.23 | Primer | heh |
| 20:02.23 | Xinhuan | after you understand what that option does |
| 20:02.29 | Primer | yes, I understand it |
| 20:02.37 | Primer | each addon has its own deps under it |
| 20:02.38 | xyu | i use "no externals" so i can see 6 million lib files in my addons |
| 20:03.01 | NightHawkAtWork | If you understand it, why are you asking us what you should do? |
| 20:03.10 | Primer | and the updater updates those deps, thereby having several copies of the dep |
| 20:03.13 | kergoth | i'd rather use externals to clean up my addons dir, but i want useful performance numbers in game, too |
| 20:03.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:03.31 | Primer | I understand what it is, I don't understand the implications |
| 20:03.37 | NightHawkAtWork | I use externals, because I stopped caring about performance numbers. |
| 20:03.48 | xyu | haha |
| 20:04.04 | kenlyric | I use externals becuase I backup to a usb flash drive. |
| 20:04.06 | Kivin | Primer: With externals, you'll have *many* duplicate dependency folders, causing somewhat higher load times, IIRC |
| 20:04.11 | kenlyric | and 2000 files is faster than 4000 files |
| 20:04.20 | kenlyric | with fewer files being updated, to boot. |
| 20:04.21 | xyu | "whodrop" takes up so much memory. i can't understand why. |
| 20:04.25 | xyu | must be a huge db :D |
| 20:05.01 | Primer | Kivin: but if I choose to NOT use externals, would deps be satisfied by other addons providing them? Does the addon with a dep fail because it can't satisfy its deps? |
| 20:05.27 | Kivin | Primer: w/o externals, the WAU will download the dependencies straight to your /addons/ folder |
| 20:05.29 | Primer | I'm more concerned about breakage than I am with performance. My box is pretty beefy |
| 20:05.35 | xyu | he's not using WAU if i recal |
| 20:05.40 | xyu | JWU or something |
| 20:05.42 | Primer | I've just switched to JWU |
| 20:05.48 | Kivin | not a clue what that is |
| 20:05.51 | kergoth | how's JWU compare to WUU? |
| 20:05.54 | NightHawkAtWork | Presumably, your updater is going to be smart enough to download/install the dependancies separately. |
| 20:05.56 | Primer | as WAU crashes the .net runtime constantly |
| 20:06.04 | NightHawkAtWork | if so, then addons breaking shouldn't be an issue. |
| 20:06.15 | NightHawkAtWork | if not... then its probably not worth using that software |
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| 20:06.25 | Primer | ok, I'll leave it as "no externals" for now and see how it goes |
| 20:06.45 | Kivin | if there's an auto D/L deendencies option, select it |
| 20:06.52 | Kivin | dependencies* |
| 20:06.55 | Elsia | hmm does the SVN generate the Changelog-<addonname>-<revision>.txt automatically from commit text? |
| 20:07.02 | kergoth | is EnableAddOn() and DisableAddOn() per character or global? |
| 20:07.08 | Xinhuan | per char |
| 20:07.31 | NightHawkAtWork | Elsia: subversion does not generate those, there's a script that does, based on the subversion commit log |
| 20:08.05 | Elsia | well basically I'm asking if I have to run the script or of the server will? |
| 20:08.25 | NightHawkAtWork | it will be generated automatically |
| 20:08.31 | Elsia | great thanks |
| 20:08.52 | Elsia | and do I commit embeds.xml or are those generated from externals? |
| 20:09.00 | NightHawkAtWork | you need to commit that |
| 20:09.05 | Elsia | ok, thanks |
| 20:09.41 | xyu | What building has the most stories? |
| 20:09.45 | xyu | The library! |
| 20:09.52 | NightHawkAtWork | although, you know.. i don't think it'd be that hard to make a post-commit script to check/create/update the embeds.xml automagically |
| 20:10.50 | Elsia | think so too, that's why I was wondering if it already existed |
| 20:11.12 | NightHawkAtWork | Snago: i know, right. :) |
| 20:12.43 | Elsia | hmm recount has libs committed it seems, is that proper? |
| 20:12.55 | Primer | ok, JWU is cool |
| 20:13.02 | Primer | it updated my curse addons just fine |
| 20:13.07 | Kivin | Not if they're available separately, Elsia |
| 20:13.45 | Elsia | so basically I really shouldn't have gotten the lib folder when checking out :P |
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| 20:14.23 | Kivin | what libs are they? if it's stuff that isn't distro separately on the svn... like, private libs, i could see why they're commited |
| 20:14.44 | Elsia | nah it's all standard ace lib stuff, even cryect's graph libs are public |
| 20:14.58 | Kivin | then it should've been disincluded from the commit |
| 20:15.18 | Elsia | hmm I guess I should do that then as well... |
| 20:16.04 | Kivin | love it when two nightmare vine nodes spawn on the same spot |
| 20:16.10 | Kivin | you pick one and there's another beneath it |
| 20:16.35 | Elsia | happens to mine nodes at times as well, I think it's a bug though that they never fixed |
| 20:16.40 | Kivin | indeed |
| 20:16.54 | Kivin | i've seen it happen with an adaman + khorium on the same spot... was a happy panda that day |
| 20:20.05 | Elsia | hmm I think I'll disinclude the libs later, could be messy with version changes etc (graph-1.0 to graph-2.0) |
| 20:20.27 | Kivin | if you set the svn:externals, it should have no negative side effects |
| 20:20.28 | NightHawkAtWork | I consider it less of a bug, and more of a "nice feature" :P |
| 20:21.55 | Elsia | I'd like to test if it's bug-free first somehow before messing with the lib changes |
| 20:22.31 | Elsia | svn:externals are set though, will it find sub-parts of packages like Babble correctly? |
| 20:22.46 | Kivin | if an external has an external, it should propogate through them all |
| 20:23.01 | Elsia | ok |
| 20:23.12 | Arrowmaster | you have to specifiy the sub parts for stuff like babble |
| 20:23.32 | Kivin | oh, I misread that, i guess |
| 20:23.33 | Arrowmaster | since you dont want to include all of babble |
| 20:24.12 | Elsia | yep, that's what I'm doing or rather what was there, just added babble-class-2.2 |
| 20:26.45 | Elsia | hmm any issue to worry about with dos vs unix line-breaks? |
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| 20:27.57 | Kivin | svn:eol-style=native; should be set |
| 20:28.16 | Elsia | ok let me check that |
| 20:28.30 | Kivin | in your svn client settings |
| 20:29.26 | Elsia | hmm where to do that with tortoise? not properties of the checkout folder? |
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| 20:29.44 | Kivin | in the tsvn settings file |
| 20:29.51 | Kivin | tsvn -> settings |
| 20:30.02 | Kivin | "subversion configuration file: [edit]" |
| 20:30.24 | Kivin | http://ace.pastey.net/80768 |
| 20:30.29 | Kivin | that's what i have at the end of my config file |
| 20:31.12 | Elsia | k, now to find that tsvn file... |
| 20:31.21 | Kivin | tsvn > Settings |
| 20:31.26 | Kivin | on the page that opens up, click edit |
| 20:31.37 | Elsia | you mean type tsvn in a shell? |
| 20:31.44 | Kivin | no, the right click menu |
| 20:31.56 | Elsia | gotcha |
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| 20:33.31 | [Horde]Tricksy | does anyone here have experience with WoWEcon? |
| 20:35.23 | Primer | I'm curious why so many holy priests never get the 41 holy talent. I guess it's pretty useless? |
| 20:35.49 | Primer | self-answering question... |
| 20:36.00 | Josh_Borke | what's the 41 point talent? |
| 20:36.01 | Josh_Borke | CoH? |
| 20:36.09 | Primer | yes |
| 20:36.17 | Josh_Borke | it's just situational is all |
| 20:36.21 | Josh_Borke | it's still really good |
| 20:36.56 | Primer | I got it, figuring it'd be good for raiding, which is all I plan to do between now (66) and 70 |
| 20:37.13 | Primer | s/raiding/instances |
| 20:37.19 | Primer | / |
| 20:38.24 | ag` | I'd prefer if a 41 point talent had the same all around use as swiftmend for example |
| 20:39.09 | ag` | also there's just too many spells doing almost the same |
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| 20:39.26 | Josh_Borke | a way to make a cast instant would be super nice |
| 20:39.43 | Primer | the 41 holy is instant |
| 20:39.59 | Josh_Borke | make any cast instant, ie GH instant |
| 20:40.23 | Ellipsis | nature's swiftness for priests? |
| 20:40.27 | nevcairiel | there are already 2 classes with that skill, i dont think you get that :P |
| 20:40.41 | Aens|Superiority | priests dont need NS |
| 20:41.18 | Aens|Superiority | if anything, NS counts as a get out of jail free card which priests have enough of. Adding NS would just mean other abilities will get nerfed |
| 20:42.18 | Ellipsis | true, in a raiding context |
| 20:42.25 | Aens|Superiority | no, pvp |
| 20:42.30 | Aens|Superiority | NS has almost no use in pve |
| 20:42.31 | Ellipsis | well that too |
| 20:42.38 | Ellipsis | nah |
| 20:43.00 | Ellipsis | NS is for stupid pug tanks who pull when you're at 20% mana and drinking, and then can't be bothered to click their healthstone when they get in trouble |
| 20:43.00 | Aens|Superiority | NS in raiding is a gigantic crutch. |
| 20:43.35 | Aens|Superiority | there is never a need to use NS unless the healer screwed up |
| 20:43.47 | Josh_Borke | my healers screw up all the time |
| 20:44.02 | Aens|Superiority | yeah, bad players will do that |
| 20:44.24 | Aens|Superiority | but bad players, no matter what they play, will screw up. Adding more crutches to the game only adds more imbalances. |
| 20:44.31 | Ellipsis | NS is made of win when you're playing with stupid people/pugs |
| 20:44.37 | Ellipsis | other than that...meh |
| 20:44.43 | Ellipsis | l2heal properly and you won't need it |
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| 20:49.06 | Pkekyo| | where to level after zangarmarsh? |
| 20:49.14 | Keias | Terokkar |
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| 20:51.20 | NeoTron | saying that NS is never useful without sucky healers is wrong |
| 20:51.53 | NeoTron | there are plentty of situations where it saved the tank or someone in the raid without anyone messing up |
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| 20:59.19 | RaydenU | I declare the theme song for The Barrens to be Losing A Whole Year by Third Eye Blind. |
| 20:59.27 | RaydenU | Not so much for the references to sex, but for the title. |
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| 21:06.34 | CIA-8 | 03elsia * r58615 10Recount/ (16 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:06.34 | CIA-8 | Recount: |
| 21:06.34 | CIA-8 | - Fixed nil error when reporting under certain conditions |
| 21:06.34 | CIA-8 | - Fixed pet problems relating to data collection and false categorization as "unknown" |
| 21:06.34 | CIA-8 | - Fixed % layout in details window. No more overlap at 100%. |
| 21:06.35 | CIA-8 | - Fixed nil error when reporting versions without syncing |
| 21:06.37 | CIA-8 | - Windows parts of the main and detail window without GUI elements are now |
| 21:07.15 | Josh_Borke | whoa |
| 21:07.20 | Josh_Borke | i hope that doesn't break anything |
| 21:07.28 | Elsia | hope so too :P |
| 21:07.37 | Primer | Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-devel-x86_64 = 2.6.23.14-107.fc8 is needed by package buildsys-build-rpmfusion-kerneldevpkgs-newest |
| 21:07.39 | Elsia | how long until files.wowace.com updates? |
| 21:07.42 | Primer | oops, wrong channel, sorry |
| 21:07.43 | Josh_Borke | cryect: fix your damn mods |
| 21:07.48 | Josh_Borke | Elsia: 20 minutes |
| 21:07.58 | Elsia | k |
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| 21:08.58 | Stanzilla | vhaarr: can you make it so that SimpleBossWhisperer does not respond to BigWigs whispers? |
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| 21:11.10 | m4rku5 | lol thats a hell of a changelog ;D |
| 21:11.27 | Elsia | well took very long to get svn access so stuff kinda accumulated :P |
| 21:12.06 | daved | have a simple lua question (puts on flame-retardant suit).. is there a control statement similar to "continue" in other languages? as in i want to stop the current instance of a loop iteration but keep looping |
| 21:12.24 | Josh_Borke | daved: no |
| 21:12.35 | NightHawkAtWork | PendingPurchaserCounts Table Definition |
| 21:12.37 | NightHawkAtWork | er, woops, wrong window. |
| 21:12.54 | NightHawkAtWork | daved: clever use of if blocks. |
| 21:13.09 | daved | NightHawkAtWork: ugly :( |
| 21:13.26 | NightHawkAtWork | *shrug* take that up with the lua devs? :P |
| 21:13.26 | Josh_Borke | daved: best way to do it: local continue = false; for <stuff> do if (continue) then continue = false else <do stuff> end end |
| 21:14.22 | daved | i will send them a rotten fish in the mail |
| 21:14.31 | ShenDK | I need some advice. Anea hasn't updated her SpamSentry addon for 6 months, and spammers are abundant in LFG channel now. I've added emote and LFG channel to her monitoring list in a branch, and want to know how I can deploy it to end users with a minimum of fuss. Tarballs on FishEye are corrupted with used on branches. Any advice please? |
| 21:14.36 | Josh_Borke | that's motivation |
| 21:14.52 | Josh_Borke | ShenDK: did you try contacting anea? |
| 21:15.02 | ShenDK | yea by several means, all unsuccessful |
| 21:15.07 | kergoth | if you cant get ahold of the author, i'd say just commit to the trunk |
| 21:15.10 | Josh_Borke | then just make the changes in trunk |
| 21:15.14 | kergoth | teh author can always revert it when they return if they dont like it |
| 21:15.17 | ShenDK | she has opted out of getting any kind of email on the sites i have seen her on |
| 21:15.18 | NightHawkAtWork | ^^ |
| 21:15.41 | Arrowmaster | just make sure youve added configuration options too |
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| 21:16.02 | ShenDK | Yep. It was quite trivial actually, as it monitors 5 other channels. |
| 21:16.21 | Arrowmaster | i hated how spamsentry behaved on /say and had to turn it off when i used it |
| 21:16.25 | Josh_Borke | holy macarel Elsia |
| 21:17.02 | ShenDK | what did it do? |
| 21:17.20 | Arrowmaster | delayed all /says to check for repeat spaming |
| 21:17.26 | ShenDK | ah |
| 21:17.26 | Elsia | just hope I didn't forget any steps committing, else it should be OK. been tested via curse download for a few weeks now |
| 21:17.27 | Arrowmaster | i didnt like that |
| 21:17.33 | ShenDK | understandable |
| 21:17.56 | ShenDK | Argh.. Commit failed, 403 Forbidden |
| 21:18.07 | Arrowmaster | dont commit to svn.wowace.com |
| 21:18.46 | ShenDK | i commit to http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/SpamSentry |
| 21:18.58 | Arrowmaster | maybe its locked.... |
| 21:19.43 | ShenDK | doesnt show in the commit window in TortoiseSVN |
| 21:21.18 | ShenDK | repo browser doesn't have anything in the lock column either |
| 21:23.05 | Arrowmaster | i think the per directory locks on the wowace svn is different than normal |
| 21:23.19 | Arrowmaster | does ace2 or sct have anything in the repo browser lock column? |
| 21:23.28 | Arrowmaster | because i know those are locked |
| 21:23.30 | ShenDK | checking |
| 21:23.30 | Elsia | hmm new recount seems to be on files.wowace.com/Recount/ now, anyone willing to test? |
| 21:23.51 | Killmore | me |
| 21:25.11 | NeoTron | Elsia: is it by chance moer memory efficient/ :P |
| 21:25.19 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 21:25.23 | Killmore | Elsia: it is the same Recount (Preservation) P-1.1.3 version or its a new version ? |
| 21:25.30 | Josh_Borke | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.32 | Elsia | not if you turn all the options up, but the default will use less |
| 21:25.42 | Elsia | it's 1.1.4, I'll up it on curse after this has been tested |
| 21:25.47 | Killmore | k |
| 21:25.53 | ShenDK | Arrowmaster: hmm no they don't.. |
| 21:26.11 | NeoTron | as a note |
| 21:26.25 | NeoTron | it would be useful if the currently displayed stat was a dropdown meny instead of prev/next buttons |
| 21:26.40 | Josh_Borke | true, but how would that work in the gui? |
| 21:26.41 | ShenDK | Arrowmaster: Any way to unlock SpamSentry then? |
| 21:26.43 | Josh_Borke | it wouldn't fit too well imo |
| 21:26.43 | NeoTron | I spend way too much time shuffing around stats i'm not interested in trying to find the death page et |
| 21:26.56 | Elsia | there is a drop-down menu too.. try right click the title bar |
| 21:26.58 | Arrowmaster | ShenDK: ask an svn admin |
| 21:26.58 | NeoTron | Josh_Borke: other dmg-meters used it, one of the aced ones |
| 21:27.09 | NeoTron | Elsia: was that always there or isit new? |
| 21:27.14 | Elsia | always there |
| 21:27.21 | NeoTron | weird |
| 21:27.23 | Elsia | hehe |
| 21:27.31 | ShenDK | Arrowmaster: SVN admins also the channel ops in here? |
| 21:27.34 | Arrowmaster | ShenDK: send an email to the address used to request accounts |
| 21:27.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:27.38 | ShenDK | ok |
| 21:27.58 | ShenDK | Arrowmaster: Thanks lots! |
| 21:28.12 | NeoTron | Elsia: since you seem to be working on it again and all - any chance of selecting which metrics I want to report? |
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| 21:28.24 | NeoTron | probably half the stuff recorded I don't care about |
| 21:28.50 | Elsia | what you mean by metrics? |
| 21:28.59 | NeoTron | dps, damage, deaths |
| 21:29.03 | NeoTron | anything that you can view |
| 21:29.19 | NeoTron | stuff I personally never look at include tings like activity level and dot uptime |
| 21:29.25 | NeoTron | so I don't need that stuff sitting there eating space |
| 21:29.28 | Elsia | i see |
| 21:29.46 | Elsia | I'll add it to my list of feature requests |
| 21:30.23 | NeoTron | thanks :) |
| 21:30.35 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58616 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: GatherMate: small tweak to minimap code |
| 21:30.36 | NeoTron | and I'm very happy you're working on it. It's a useful tool as a raid leader |
| 21:31.01 | Stanzilla | Elsia: you could update some of the libraries that Recount uses, too |
| 21:31.02 | Josh_Borke | Elsia: cryect has started playing again so he may be willing to help |
| 21:31.32 | Elsia | stan: that's on my list too |
| 21:31.54 | Elsia | josh: would be great, if he's up for hacking some or all that'd be lovely really |
| 21:32.21 | Stanzilla | Elsia: kk :) |
| 21:32.23 | NeoTron | Elsia: another possible todo is to 1) allow viewing of stats for ppl no longer in the group (like after end of raid when everyone leaves the data is no longer available to view) |
| 21:32.35 | Killmore | yeah |
| 21:32.35 | Elsia | that already exists |
| 21:32.38 | Killmore | oh |
| 21:32.41 | Killmore | where? |
| 21:32.43 | Elsia | just use: show ungrouped |
| 21:32.44 | NeoTron | Elsia: also would be nice to have a "auto-clear damage meters when joining a new party / raid" option |
| 21:32.46 | Elsia | in data settings |
| 21:32.47 | NeoTron | hmm ok |
| 21:32.58 | NeoTron | I guess that was always there too? :P |
| 21:33.11 | Elsia | yeah |
| 21:33.18 | Elsia | the filter options aren't very intuitive |
| 21:33.19 | NeoTron | fun :P |
| 21:33.41 | NeoTron | well I am pretty sure automatically clearing the data on specific events doesn't exist :P |
| 21:33.42 | Elsia | the new defaults should be more intuitive, I think I set Show Ungrouped to on now but kept collect off, so it shows old grouped folks |
| 21:34.17 | Elsia | nah doesn't yet... been requested. I'm still debating how to most cleanly do this. I really hate the thought of popup windows, so it should be kinda safe if possible. |
| 21:34.27 | NeoTron | well |
| 21:34.35 | NeoTron | make it default to not resetting it |
| 21:34.45 | NeoTron | and have an option to select reset in new party OR raid |
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| 21:36.09 | Elsia | someone requested that it reset when one first zones into a new instance |
| 21:36.47 | chiper | yeah, I second that clear on new party option |
| 21:37.00 | exor674 | howabout a "copy to frame" option |
| 21:37.05 | exor674 | er -- report to frame |
| 21:37.11 | exor674 | (or does that exist and I missed it) |
| 21:37.16 | NeoTron | that is one option but is harder ti implement correctly |
| 21:37.36 | NeoTron | since if you wipe or go out and summmon someone etc you'd not want it to reset |
| 21:37.37 | Elsia | report exist but it's always to chat channels |
| 21:37.40 | chiper | also, how is that merge pet and player option work? I have it checked, but both still show up seperately on the list |
| 21:37.58 | Elsia | neo: that#s why it only resets if it's a new instance, not one that one has been in previously |
| 21:38.00 | NeoTron | chiper: the owner's DPS includes the dps of the pet |
| 21:38.15 | chiper | ok, that's what I thought but wasnt sure |
| 21:38.17 | Elsia | chiper: using curse version or the latest update today? |
| 21:38.23 | NeoTron | Elsia: khaven't been in previously since... creating the party? for a certani period of time? |
| 21:38.54 | Elsia | I added a feature that merge pet will no longer display the pet |
| 21:39.22 | Elsia | or rather it turns the display off, one can still turn it on if one wants that behavior |
| 21:39.38 | NeoTron | Elsia: zomg! "Fixed a bug where "Autoswitch Shown Fight" whould falsely display double entries in the main window." yes!!! |
| 21:39.48 | NeoTron | so that now actually works |
| 21:39.49 | NeoTron | man |
| 21:39.51 | NeoTron | the joy |
| 21:39.53 | Elsia | yep |
| 21:40.02 | Elsia | I fixed a fair number of things that never really worked :P |
| 21:40.14 | NeoTron | I spent a lot of time changing to "current fight" manually :P |
| 21:40.54 | chiper | elisia: last I grabbed was off files. a couple days ago |
| 21:41.08 | Elsia | try grab today's version |
| 21:41.16 | exor674 | have you fixed the bug where someone'd show up twice? |
| 21:41.22 | Elsia | yes |
| 21:41.24 | chiper | @work at the moment, but I'll grab it tonight |
| 21:41.32 | NeoTron | exor674: I just pasted the comment above regarding that :P |
| 21:41.44 | exor674 | heh oopsD |
| 21:42.02 | Elsia | also loads of pet related bugs, pets now show under damage taken, heal, activity, CC breakers, energy gained etc |
| 21:42.02 | exor674 | ah, totally misread that |
| 21:42.14 | chiper | now that fight selection thing, is it an entry for every target or for every length of combat? |
| 21:42.31 | Elsia | for combat length |
| 21:42.42 | Elsia | if I remember correctly |
| 21:43.17 | chiper | ok, wasnt really clear since the title is just the name of a mob and there's often several of those mobs in each pull |
| 21:43.31 | chiper | a timestamp on that list would help a lot |
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| 21:43.47 | Elsia | there are time-stamps in the dropdown menu |
| 21:43.58 | chiper | ok, couldnt remember seeing it |
| 21:44.03 | Elsia | ;) |
| 21:44.30 | NeoTron | a window with a scrollable list of all recorded encounters would be nice in addition to the 5 shown in the menu |
| 21:44.53 | chiper | is there a way to make it ignore anyone not in the party? |
| 21:44.54 | Elsia | only 5 are recorded |
| 21:45.07 | Elsia | yes, have data collection for ungrouped off |
| 21:45.13 | chiper | k |
| 21:45.37 | chiper | chess event always has interesting effects on recount :P |
| 21:45.40 | Elsia | some folks have requested storing fights... I'm kind of mulling over how to do that without memory hoggery too much |
| 21:45.51 | NeoTron | Elsia: but if you go on the timed data, you can see later data? or is that an entirely different set of data? |
| 21:45.53 | Elsia | you can now delete combatants, so just delete chess pieces |
| 21:46.05 | Elsia | neo: yes |
| 21:46.20 | NeoTron | I see |
| 21:46.39 | NeoTron | would be nice to have an option to, at least, save all boss fights |
| 21:46.48 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 21:47.08 | Josh_Borke | Elsia: add an option to set the number of fights to remember |
| 21:47.10 | sag_ich_nicht | there seems to be a bug with the +blockrating-->block% calculation in ratingbuster |
| 21:47.16 | CIA-8 | 03neuron * r58617 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: Adding Icy Veins support |
| 21:47.25 | Hjalte | NeoTron: Yeah. Elsia, have you experimented with some kind of Bigwigs integration? :) |
| 21:47.38 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm not sure if it's related to localisation but a friend of mine is getting wrong values(deDE client) and i'm not |
| 21:47.41 | Josh_Borke | it's in the saved variables just not easy to set |
| 21:47.53 | Kivin | sounds like a localization issue |
| 21:47.58 | NeoTron | Hjalte: heh bigwigs - ofc recount already seems to be able to know the signifigance leevl of the boss |
| 21:48.00 | Kivin | i get good values on my english client |
| 21:48.14 | Hjalte | NeoTron: I mean, so that it would save boss fights automatically.. |
| 21:48.27 | Hjalte | NeoTron: Like Assesment, which doesnt sync unfortunately. |
| 21:48.28 | Elsia | well people have requested bigwigs integration so it's on the request list at least ;) |
| 21:48.40 | NeoTron | sync is pretty much unnecessary |
| 21:48.45 | NeoTron | with 200 yrd combat log |
| 21:49.03 | sag_ich_nicht | nevermind |
| 21:49.04 | sag_ich_nicht | found the bug |
| 21:49.14 | Hjalte | NeoTron: As Class Leader, I need to be 100% sure my meters are correct before i tell someone off. |
| 21:49.36 | sag_ich_nicht | (not a bug, but... meh) |
| 21:49.40 | NeoTron | Hjalte: speaking from experience, two logs in WWS over 1 log adds 0.5-1.5% data total for a night |
| 21:49.44 | NeoTron | most of it being boss fights |
| 21:50.04 | NeoTron | WWS is better for Class Leader-type evaluations too |
| 21:50.13 | Hjalte | NeoTron: On some boss fights, not syncing is a problem. On a lot of others, it's not needed-. |
| 21:50.25 | NeoTron | which bosses specifically? |
| 21:50.37 | NeoTron | because I don't notice it on any boss except, perhaps, archimonde |
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| 21:51.02 | Hjalte | NeoTron: I've seen differences on Morogrim, which might not be caused by range problems, but syncing makes me feel better about the data. |
| 21:51.02 | NeoTron | but even so what you miss is primarily people taking fall damage and healing of said people |
| 21:51.32 | NeoTron | definitely should be zero issues with morogrim |
| 21:52.00 | NeoTron | take void reaver |
| 21:52.12 | NeoTron | in that fight people stand in a circle dpsing up to 40 yrd away |
| 21:52.17 | Hjalte | NeoTron: Could just be the damage meter, either mine or the others, but using Recount my numbers usually fit quite well with the WWS. |
| 21:52.19 | NeoTron | even so you won't miss anyone |
| 21:52.21 | NeoTron | 200 yrd is a lot |
| 21:52.22 | Josh_Borke | 80 yards away no? |
| 21:52.33 | NeoTron | Josh_Borke: from VR |
| 21:52.55 | NeoTron | so 80 + maybe 15-20yrd max |
| 21:53.07 | NeoTron | so if it's more than 120 yrd max i'd be extremely surprised |
| 21:53.33 | exor674 | isn't 200yards even out of visual range? |
| 21:53.33 | NeoTron | and that is a pretty big room |
| 21:54.07 | NeoTron | Hjalte: comparing your synced recount with someone elses unsynced recount, yours is better? |
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| 22:01.51 | Hjalte | NeoTron: No, the other members of the raid that I was comparing with was not using Recount, neither was I at the time. |
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| 22:05.21 | NeoTron | so |
| 22:05.30 | NeoTron | different meters aren't necessarily accurate |
| 22:05.41 | NeoTron | and I've seen a lot more failures come from bad syncing that no syncing :) |
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| 22:06.45 | NeoTron | I wish WWS had options to do cross-report statistics |
| 22:07.47 | Daldain | i need to chat to the web admin for wowace.com, who would i need to be chasing up? |
| 22:08.05 | CIA-8 | 03shen * r58618 10PoliteWhisper/: Created folder remotely |
| 22:08.57 | CIA-8 | 03elsia * r58619 10FuBar_RecountFu/RecountFu_Options.lua: |
| 22:08.57 | CIA-8 | FuBar_RecountFu: |
| 22:08.57 | CIA-8 | - Fixed error when trying to report versions for unsync'd recount |
| 22:10.14 | Kivin | Youkahn claims the Snowfall graveyard! If left unhchallenged, the Horde will control it! |
| 22:10.16 | Kivin | <- dies |
| 22:11.48 | Stanzilla | phyber: ping |
| 22:12.11 | Neebler | daldain: kergoth I believe |
| 22:12.44 | Neebler | or was it kalgan? K something |
| 22:12.44 | kergoth | nah not i. try kael |
| 22:12.47 | kergoth | or perhaps clad, not sure |
| 22:13.00 | daved | does anyone happen to have a good helper function to turn a money amount in copper (say from GetMoney()) into gold, silver, copper ? |
| 22:14.08 | Daldain | ok, thanks, i'll try kael, if not anyone starting with 'c' or 'k' :) |
| 22:14.56 | Daldain | i have algorithm for copper to gold converter/// |
| 22:15.57 | Stanzilla | it's Kaelten, Daldain :P |
| 22:16.03 | aestil | Ellipsis: what is up bitch? |
| 22:16.03 | Sais | algorithm? It's just integer division and remainders. |
| 22:16.25 | daved | sais: for some reason im unable to find a list of the mathematical functions in lua inside the reference manual |
| 22:16.26 | Sais | ...but I thought there was a library. |
| 22:16.27 | Daldain | yeah, routine of div / 1000 etc. |
| 22:17.10 | Arrowmaster | daved: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.6 |
| 22:17.54 | chiper | hah, yesterday was the 89th anniversary of the Boston molasses disaster of 1919 |
| 22:18.16 | daved | Arrowmaster: thanks :) |
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| 22:21.18 | Arrowmaster | and i think theres a function in the wow interface for converting a GetMoney() output into a readable gold silver copper amount |
| 22:21.51 | kadrahil | anyone play horde on tichondrius? |
| 22:22.01 | mrscogwheel | highly inappropiate OH YEAH |
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| 22:22.45 | Sais | Arrow: I vaguely remember seeing some lib or other for money translation, too. |
| 22:24.10 | NeoTron | 2.4 patch notes... |
| 22:24.13 | NeoTron | racing in shimmering flats. |
| 22:24.15 | NeoTron | woot |
| 22:24.20 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 22:24.28 | mrscogwheel | giev_ |
| 22:24.30 | mrscogwheel | _ |
| 22:24.30 | mrscogwheel | ? |
| 22:24.59 | Elsia | gief combat log changes ;) |
| 22:25.07 | NeoTron | unless it's fake :P |
| 22:25.07 | Stanzilla | NeoTron: w00t, link |
| 22:25.09 | NivFreak | NeoTron: a joke I assume? |
| 22:25.24 | mrscogwheel | FIND HIM AND DESTROY HIM |
| 22:25.29 | nevcairiel | link! |
| 22:25.43 | Neebler | ignore the boy that cried wolf! |
| 22:25.50 | Stanzilla | NeoTron: FASTER |
| 22:26.08 | NeoTron | posted on my guild forum, from worldofraids... I suspect fake |
| 22:26.20 | NivFreak | yes |
| 22:26.21 | NivFreak | fake |
| 22:26.54 | Stanzilla | gah :( |
| 22:27.04 | NeoTron | yeah so this pretty much proved that: Human Spirit changed to Mountmanship. Passive: Reduces mount cast time by 30% and increases mount speed by 10%. |
| 22:27.09 | NeoTron | Mountmanship. lawl |
| 22:27.16 | Fisker- | write them down |
| 22:27.25 | Fisker- | put them up |
| 22:27.28 | Fisker- | for the lulz |
| 22:27.32 | Fisker- | or if you want to live |
| 22:27.34 | Fisker- | your choice |
| 22:28.37 | Arrowmaster | is it actually up on worldofraids or just from forums or something |
| 22:29.58 | Fisker- | i'd rather not visit that shitty site :) |
| 22:30.06 | Fisker- | so gogo pastebin |
| 22:30.54 | NivFreak | hrm? |
| 22:30.57 | Elsia | is there a way to use the svn revision number within a source file? |
| 22:31.09 | Kivin | Revision$ |
| 22:31.25 | Kivin | Erm, incase that got mangled, $Revision$ |
| 22:31.39 | Sais | daved: Took my time, but Abacus lib. |
| 22:31.45 | Arrowmaster | it got mangaled you damn shift_jis user |
| 22:31.50 | Stanzilla | LibAbacus-3.0 |
| 22:31.56 | Kivin | D:! |
| 22:31.57 | ShenDK | and $Revision$ gets "gsub"bed when tarballs etc are made? |
| 22:31.58 | NightHawkAtWork | FOr $Revision$ to work, you need to set the svn-keywords property |
| 22:32.14 | Arrowmaster | $Revision$ is an svn keyword |
| 22:32.15 | NightHawkAtWork | ShenDK: no, $revision$ is a special SVN keyword that is auto-replaced on checkout/export |
| 22:32.21 | Kivin | I gave Elsia the svn:keywords earlier |
| 22:32.21 | ShenDK | ok |
| 22:32.24 | NightHawkAtWork | there's several others |
| 22:32.43 | Arrowmaster | Rev Date Id |
| 22:32.47 | Arrowmaster | i think Author |
| 22:33.02 | Kivin | I use $Author$, $Date$, and $Revision$ in some of mine |
| 22:33.04 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, thats sounds right. it's all in the svn book though |
| 22:33.11 | Fisker- | NeoTron I WILL END YOU |
| 22:33.32 | Elsia | k thanks, so what do I set svn-keywords to? |
| 22:33.46 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: forums |
| 22:33.47 | Kivin | Elsia: I had it in my pastey that i gave you. i'll pastey it again |
| 22:33.54 | ShenDK | ok so $Author$, $Date$, and $Revision$ gets replaced in all committed files with their actual value? What properties do I need to set? |
| 22:34.03 | Elsia | ah, Revision I see |
| 22:34.15 | NightHawkAtWork | Elsia: read this http://svnbook.red-bean.com |
| 22:34.22 | ShenDK | i will do that too now |
| 22:34.25 | Fisker- | do not want NeoTron |
| 22:34.32 | m4rku5 | shen the property Id will set them all ;) |
| 22:34.38 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: what? |
| 22:34.41 | Kivin | http://ace.pastey.net/80775 |
| 22:34.46 | Kivin | that's the config file i use to get keyword subs |
| 22:35.08 | Kivin | also, keywords don't work on existing files in the project. you have to delete it and re-commit it as a new addition |
| 22:35.22 | Arrowmaster | or just change the props |
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| 22:35.29 | NightHawkAtWork | ^^ |
| 22:35.36 | Arrowmaster | deleting and recommiting is bad |
| 22:35.53 | m4rku5 | Kivin, you know that you can just add the keyword ? like svn ps svn:keywords Id file |
| 22:35.55 | m4rku5 | ;P |
| 22:36.00 | Kivin | I searched for a week for this information and asked in here dozens of times, couldn't get any help... that's the only way i could find to make it work |
| 22:36.15 | Elsia | alright it's already properly set up for recount anyway :D |
| 22:36.17 | Kivin | m4rku5: that just made absolutely no sense. sorry? |
| 22:36.23 | NightHawkAtWork | Kivin: read the svn book. |
| 22:36.26 | ShenDK | Kivin: Thanks, will set that as autoprops |
| 22:36.28 | m4rku5 | you can set a property without deleting the file |
| 22:36.36 | NightHawkAtWork | seriously, like all the answers to all the questions you will ever have are in there |
| 22:36.51 | m4rku5 | svn ps svn:keywords <whatever keyword like Id Author Revision> file1 file2 ... |
| 22:36.51 | NivFreak | I wonder how a ret pally / resto druid 2v2 would go |
| 22:37.02 | NightHawkAtWork | NivFreak: ITS IN THE SVN BOOK. :p |
| 22:37.14 | NivFreak | wow |
| 22:37.14 | chiper | hah |
| 22:37.16 | [Horde]Tricksy | is there anyone here with experience with WoWecon? |
| 22:37.27 | NivFreak | NightHawkAtWork: that's a useful place to keep arena tips! |
| 22:37.31 | chiper | [Horde]Tricksy: defne 'experience' |
| 22:37.34 | NightHawkAtWork | NivFreak: I thought so. ;) |
| 22:37.39 | [Horde]Tricksy | chiper do you use it? :p |
| 22:37.40 | chiper | *define |
| 22:37.45 | Kivin | m4rku5: I don't use command line, if that's what you're trying to tell me |
| 22:37.49 | [Horde]Tricksy | it's an exe, has me kind of weary :S |
| 22:37.50 | chiper | I have used the website from time to time |
| 22:37.57 | chiper | dropped the addon in favor of auctioneer |
| 22:37.58 | m4rku5 | well with commandline you can set properties |
| 22:38.00 | m4rku5 | ;P |
| 22:38.07 | [Horde]Tricksy | hmm |
| 22:38.07 | Arrowmaster | you can with tsvn too |
| 22:38.10 | NightHawkAtWork | you can with tortoise as wel |
| 22:38.17 | m4rku5 | well raw svn client and vim ;P |
| 22:38.17 | [Horde]Tricksy | ok thanks :p |
| 22:38.22 | m4rku5 | thats the leet style ;P |
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| 22:39.00 | NightHawkAtWork | interestingly, you do it via right-click->subverseion->properties. gasp. |
| 22:39.07 | NightHawkAtWork | m4rku5: i agree, but meh, tortoise is handy |
| 22:39.14 | NivFreak | hrmmm |
| 22:39.24 | m4rku5 | well NightHawkAtWork tbh i prefer gvim over vim but heh ;P |
| 22:39.28 | NightHawkAtWork | especially on windows, when using the command line is like putting a nail gun to your head |
| 22:39.30 | NivFreak | apparently it's actually faster to do 58-60 outside TBC now |
| 22:39.39 | m4rku5 | ;D |
| 22:39.51 | Gnarfoz | using windows explorer is using a hammer to do it, NightHawkAtWork, I'd rather prefer the nail gun to that |
| 22:39.53 | NightHawkAtWork | NivFreak: well, don't know about faster, but at least as fast, certainly |
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| 22:40.15 | exor674 | NivFreak: thats odd, because outlands has a XP bonus |
| 22:40.16 | NightHawkAtWork | NivFreak: the increased quest rep makes WS/EPL/Silithus quests very lucrative for 58-60 |
| 22:40.28 | alestane | Hi! I'm fairly new to Ace, just wondering if someone could quickly explain to me what call I use to retrieve a reference to the "Mining" module in Cartographer that was registered with the line 'local mod = Cartographer:NewModule("Mining", "AceConsole-2.0", "AceEvent-2.0")'? |
| 22:40.45 | NivFreak | exor674: I'm a bit skeptical myself |
| 22:41.18 | Arrowmaster | alestane: first, Cartographer is Rock not Ace2 |
| 22:41.20 | [Horde]Tricksy | I've done 58-60 in WPL-EPL 3 times now, it goes so fast it's nothing to worry about really |
| 22:41.38 | Arrowmaster | alestane: second, Cartographer:GetModule("Mining") |
| 22:41.49 | alestane | Arrowmaster: Thank you very much. |
| 22:42.28 | alestane | I figured it would be simple but thought I'd do better to ask those in the know then fumble around for it. |
| 22:42.41 | ShenDK | NightHawkAtWork: so if i make a constant like VERSION="$Author$/$Date, revision $Revision$"; and have the :svn:keywords set it will replace, even inside quotes? |
| 22:42.43 | NightHawkAtWork | NivFreak: like i said, i'm not sure that it'd be necessariy faster. But its still very, very easy, and you have the benefit of putting off the outlands xp a bit longer |
| 22:42.51 | NivFreak | right |
| 22:42.54 | NightHawkAtWork | ShenDK: yes |
| 22:42.59 | Kivin | ShenDK: Yes |
| 22:43.04 | ShenDK | NightHawkAtWork: awesome thanks |
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| 22:43.15 | NivFreak | apparently it's a good idea to go do a few quest chains in outland at 58 for gear |
| 22:43.16 | NightHawkAtWork | subversion does't understand/care about language syntax. |
| 22:43.20 | NivFreak | then go back and grind to 60 |
| 22:43.21 | NightHawkAtWork | it just looks for that string, and replaces it. |
| 22:43.23 | ShenDK | okay |
| 22:43.38 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: it was fast before the change due to the number of quests and such |
| 22:43.47 | [Horde]Tricksy | once you hit 60 you really want to go outlands though, the experience wall hits like a brick if you stay in Oldworld :p |
| 22:43.50 | NightHawkAtWork | NivFreak: feh, sounds like too much running :P |
| 22:43.57 | NightHawkAtWork | [Horde]Tricksy: oh, absolutely |
| 22:44.15 | NightHawkAtWork | its like ~100k or so from 59-60, but ~500k 60-61 |
| 22:44.25 | Kivin | not to mention the quest rewards it outland wille explode your stats |
| 22:44.30 | Kivin | will* |
| 22:45.00 | NivFreak | I know a couple folks who complained when they went to outland at 58 |
| 22:45.06 | NivFreak | that they ran out of hellfire quests too soon |
| 22:45.10 | NivFreak | and had a hard time starting in zanger |
| 22:45.17 | Kivin | I hate outland at 58, but I still went there right at 58 on three chars |
| 22:45.30 | NightHawkAtWork | I never had that problem on my shaman |
| 22:45.31 | Kivin | nah, zangar is easy peasy at ~59-60 |
| 22:45.34 | NeoTron | I have a 61 shamana that I just can't get myself to level |
| 22:45.36 | m4rku5 | its already 160k from 57 to 58 ;P |
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| 22:45.39 | sdouble | I went at 58 and am 62 in zangar now with no problems |
| 22:45.46 | Kivin | I just found classes with poor/no crowd control too difficult in Hellfire |
| 22:45.46 | NeoTron | but that' sprimarily because he's on a pvp server |
| 22:45.54 | NivFreak | I love pvp servers :) |
| 22:45.57 | NightHawkAtWork | Hell, I started outlands at 58, and hit 70 with all of SMC, Netherstorm, and a few things in nagrand left |
| 22:46.02 | NivFreak | hellfire is a little rough though |
| 22:46.05 | sdouble | m4rku5, when you hit 60, it's 480k to 61 |
| 22:46.07 | NivFreak | since it's open and heavily trafficed |
| 22:46.17 | m4rku5 | im just leveling my twink druid ;P |
| 22:46.36 | m4rku5 | so u all think its goo to go outlands at 58/59 already ? |
| 22:46.39 | m4rku5 | good * |
| 22:46.41 | Kivin | yes |
| 22:46.42 | NightHawkAtWork | nah |
| 22:46.53 | NightHawkAtWork | stay in azeroth until 60 |
| 22:47.09 | Kivin | I have NO experience on a pvp server at all, so factor that in... but I'd not consider staying old-world at 58+ |
| 22:47.09 | m4rku5 | wont outlands quests give more XP for the same time ? |
| 22:47.15 | sdouble | I went to outlands at 58 because i didn't like winterspring and eastern plaguelands |
| 22:47.25 | m4rku5 | ive already done winterspring at 57 now |
| 22:47.35 | m4rku5 | but i havent done any plaguelands ye |
| 22:47.37 | m4rku5 | t |
| 22:47.44 | sdouble | western is great, I liked it |
| 22:47.44 | Elsia | it's mostly a question of cash. the longer you quest in azeroth the more cash you get at level cap |
| 22:47.46 | NightHawkAtWork | with the increased quest rep in 2.3, high level azeroth quests are about as good as outlands quests |
| 22:47.48 | sdouble | but eastern was crap |
| 22:47.57 | Elsia | speed = go outland as fast as possible |
| 22:47.59 | NightHawkAtWork | Elsia: yeah, thats more or less what it comes down to |
| 22:48.40 | NivFreak | the next toon I level to 70 will be sitting in instances until he's honored with thrallmar |
| 22:48.44 | NivFreak | starting at lvl 58 |
| 22:49.17 | Kivin | sigh. i need to get exalted with thrallmar on my hunter |
| 22:49.37 | NightHawkAtWork | heh, i've been like one run away from exalted for a month now |
| 22:49.47 | NivFreak | I'm 1.5 heroic BF runs away on my warrior |
| 22:49.48 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 22:49.50 | NeoTron | I def had issues with my badly equipped shaman at 60 in HFP |
| 22:49.59 | Kivin | people don't do shattered halls on my server and i'm not geared for heroics, so i'm kinda trumped |
| 22:50.05 | Hjalte | Elsia: Recount on wowace SVN seems to work fine, thanks for developing it. |
| 22:50.07 | NeoTron | partially because he was such a green l60 that he didn't have weapon skills at max (especially 1-hand .. |
| 22:50.08 | Kivin | my shaman was HORRIBLE in HFP |
| 22:50.26 | NivFreak | my warrior was rough in HFP at 60 |
| 22:50.28 | m4rku5 | another question should i go for some outland instances first to get some equip if i have the time to do so ? |
| 22:50.34 | Kivin | my paladin and hunter had less trouble |
| 22:50.35 | NightHawkAtWork | really? My shaman didn't have too much trouble |
| 22:50.35 | NivFreak | until I got a few stam upgrades |
| 22:50.43 | NeoTron | with my lock it was absolutely super easy |
| 22:50.46 | Elsia | hjalte: thanks for the feedback, kinda hard to test those downloads when your .svn is blocking it ;) |
| 22:50.53 | NightHawkAtWork | Except for jackass druids dive bombing people.. >.> |
| 22:50.56 | Hjalte | Elsia: Ah. |
| 22:51.02 | Kivin | m4rku5: the instances are nice, but not a significant source of XP. do them for fun if you like, but don't expect to get very far ahead /w them |
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| 22:51.25 | NivFreak | if you have rested, instances are great XP |
| 22:51.32 | NivFreak | well |
| 22:51.35 | NivFreak | assuming non-PUG |
| 22:51.47 | NivFreak | maybe that's hard now days |
| 22:51.48 | m4rku5 | i might be rested by then since i have some tests next week so i wont have that much time to play |
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| 22:51.58 | m4rku5 | last time i leveld outlands was my mainchar a year ago ;P |
| 22:52.10 | NivFreak | yea, I did 2 toons at once |
| 22:52.13 | NivFreak | and non since then |
| 22:52.15 | NivFreak | right at launch |
| 22:52.20 | m4rku5 | and that was mostly quests (solo and with guildmates) and instances with guildmates |
| 22:52.33 | Zariel | lvling my 3rd in outland and solo all the way |
| 22:52.33 | NivFreak | my priest quested to 70, my warrior did about 50/50 quests/instances |
| 22:52.47 | Zariel | infact the only instance ive been in is SM and i duel logged it |
| 22:53.43 | m4rku5 | back at classic release i did 50 to 60 with 90% instances lol |
| 22:53.44 | NeoTron | I hated leveling my paladin after leveling my warlock I must admit |
| 22:53.46 | NeoTron | so.. slow |
| 22:54.00 | m4rku5 | as a holy priest i lvld 1-50 with a friend (roque) ;P |
| 22:54.11 | m4rku5 | was kinda slow but at molten core i had like uber equip ;P |
| 22:54.14 | NeoTron | levelling with a friend would have been a lot better |
| 22:54.39 | NeoTron | healer + dps combo is pretty sick |
| 22:54.42 | m4rku5 | well we had some disputes (happens when u lvl all day) |
| 22:54.51 | m4rku5 | so he decided to do 50-60 on his own |
| 22:55.00 | m4rku5 | and i did instances all day and well it was worth it |
| 22:55.10 | Elsia | nite |
| 22:55.13 | m4rku5 | i was way ahead of the average player so i had time to gather nice equip |
| 22:57.21 | SunTsu | m4rku5: I am leveling 4 chars now and I usually do all the quests that lead to instance quests. So, assuming you are rested, doing the instance plus doing the quests normally gives 1.5 up to 2 levels |
| 22:57.42 | m4rku5 | yep |
| 22:58.18 | NivFreak | I leveled with a friend from 10-60 |
| 22:58.32 | NivFreak | started doing 60-70 with some friends |
| 22:58.39 | NivFreak | but I ended up 3-4 levels ahead |
| 22:58.43 | NivFreak | and just finished by myself |
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| 22:59.13 | m4rku5 | heh im currently using TourGuide |
| 22:59.16 | m4rku5 | its really imba ;P |
| 22:59.46 | Zariel | yes |
| 22:59.48 | Zariel | it is :D |
| 22:59.50 | NivFreak | is it any better than questhelper? |
| 22:59.56 | Zariel | 65 in 6 days so far |
| 23:00.07 | Zariel | but ive slacked for at least 12 hours |
| 23:00.07 | Pkekyo| | ~time |
| 23:00.08 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.01.16 23:00:08 GMT |
| 23:00.19 | kergoth | tourguide is a fixed guide, less dynamic than questhelper, but shows to go acquire quests, which questhelper cant do |
| 23:00.26 | kergoth | upside & downside to it |
| 23:00.44 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 23:00.57 | NivFreak | I really just want an in game version of jame's horde leveling guide ;) |
| 23:00.57 | m4rku5 | i really like it since i cant remember where all those quest givers were |
| 23:00.58 | NeoTron | I tried tourguide on my lowbie shaman but it was very incomplete unfortunately |
| 23:01.20 | NeoTron | I figured it'd be nice since I'm rather unfamiliar with draneei low level questing (I have leveled a hunter past those levels only) |
| 23:01.21 | m4rku5 | latest tourguide is only missing like 2 levels iirc |
| 23:01.34 | kergoth | i'm pretty happy with questhelper personally, just pick up all the quests from quest givers i run into along hte way |
| 23:01.48 | NivFreak | yea |
| 23:01.56 | NeoTron | m4rku5: it have the "levels" marked as complete, just was not complete for that level range in that area |
| 23:01.57 | NivFreak | I'm using jame's leveling guide + quest helper |
| 23:02.00 | NivFreak | and it's brain dead |
| 23:02.08 | NeoTron | what is quest helper? |
| 23:02.15 | NivFreak | a bad ass leveling addon |
| 23:02.16 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:02.27 | ShenDK | ooo quest helper |
| 23:02.27 | NivFreak | creates optimized routes for you to complete your quests |
| 23:02.29 | ShenDK | that rocks |
| 23:02.42 | NivFreak | and I have waypoints turn on |
| 23:02.49 | ShenDK | yeah it looks thru your quest log and adds waypoints to the objectives it knows |
| 23:02.51 | NivFreak | so I mindlessly follow arrows around |
| 23:03.15 | NivFreak | but you still need to have a sense of which quests will waste your time |
| 23:03.19 | NivFreak | which is why I use a guide with it |
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| 23:03.32 | ShenDK | you can even type stuff like /qh find kael'thas and it will put up a result window and you can pick what you looked for and it will add a highest priority waypoint to that |
| 23:03.51 | NeoTron | ah |
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| 23:04.10 | NivFreak | didn't know about that feature ;) |
| 23:04.17 | NeoTron | so it's like an automated version of lightheaded |
| 23:04.44 | ShenDK | it uses cartographer waypoint to put an arrow on yoru screen, pointing in the direction of the next objective on the list.. yes lightheaded + tomtom gets that arrow up too |
| 23:04.53 | NeoTron | opimized routes? does it use something like Cartographer_Routes? |
| 23:04.58 | ShenDK | yep |
| 23:05.05 | NeoTron | ooh |
| 23:05.20 | NivFreak | yea |
| 23:05.22 | NeoTron | ShenDK: LH + Cart also does waypoints but I have to click on it manually |
| 23:05.24 | ShenDK | its (i hesitate to use the word) lovely |
| 23:05.38 | NivFreak | someone in here told me to try it |
| 23:05.40 | NeoTron | so that's pretty rad |
| 23:05.40 | NivFreak | I loved it |
| 23:05.44 | NivFreak | everyone I've showed it to |
| 23:05.46 | NivFreak | loves it |
| 23:05.51 | NeoTron | I am not sure if I will levell another char reall |
| 23:06.03 | ShenDK | NeoTron: i know, i do too.. but QH does it automatically from its own database.. which hasnt always got the waypoints that lightheaded does, but very handy nonetheless |
| 23:06.05 | NeoTron | but my hunter is 45ish and I am considering leveling a shaman (!3 or so currently) |
| 23:07.21 | ShenDK | NeoTron: its quite automated and doesnt need much attention.. other than the occassional /qh cartwp x2 to get the arrow to reappear |
| 23:07.31 | ShenDK | as in cartographer waypoint |
| 23:07.34 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 23:07.43 | SunTsu | Hm, isn't there any addon that keeps track of your completed quests? |
| 23:07.46 | NeoTron | I know pretty well how to level of course but not most optimized routes. :P |
| 23:07.56 | ShenDK | SunTsu: i use QuestFu |
| 23:08.35 | SunTsu | ShenDK: I don't think it's what I am looking for. I want to have a backlog of my quests. |
| 23:08.40 | ShenDK | NeoTron: I have been playing alliance for 3 years and started on horde 2 weeks ago and love it more than i ever loved alliance.. and WH helps me a ton |
| 23:08.45 | ShenDK | *QH |
| 23:08.56 | ShenDK | SunTsu: dont know then |
| 23:09.09 | SunTsu | ShenDK: Thought so, but thanks anyway |
| 23:09.16 | NivFreak | horde 4life |
| 23:09.35 | ShenDK | SunTsu: tried the QuestHistory addon? |
| 23:10.11 | SunTsu | ShenDK: No, thanks for the hint, I'll look into it |
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| 23:10.34 | ShenDK | SunTsu: seems to be abandoned but someone over on curse seems to have attempted to update it |
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| 23:11.29 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 23:11.32 | NivFreak | I should install tomtom |
| 23:12.03 | ShenDK | SunTsu: ah QuestGuru does the same and seems to be updated http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/9576/ |
| 23:12.30 | ShenDK | SunTsu: but it only works on quests you completed after you installed the addon |
| 23:12.39 | kergoth | anyone else here using msbt? curious about how people set up their scroll areas.. like what do you put in static vs notificaton |
| 23:12.39 | NeoTron | what is tomtom that cartographer is not? |
| 23:12.41 | ShenDK | NivFreak: yeah its handy |
| 23:12.57 | Pkekyo| | gah, watching terminator one....the special effects are embarassing :p |
| 23:13.04 | ShenDK | @kergoth: i am not unfortunately, dont even know what it is |
| 23:13.04 | NivFreak | I just use waypoint arrows atm, but tomtom would be nicer I think |
| 23:13.26 | SunTsu | ShenDK: That's for sure. Thank you |
| 23:13.27 | NivFreak | kergoth: I was considering giving it a shot tonight |
| 23:13.57 | ShenDK | kergoth: what does msbt stand for? |
| 23:14.08 | NeoTron | mik's scrolling battle text or so |
| 23:14.12 | ShenDK | SunTsu: most welcome |
| 23:14.15 | NeoTron | it's a SCT replacement |
| 23:14.21 | NeoTron | or rather, an alternative |
| 23:14.28 | kergoth | ~msbt |
| 23:14.29 | purl | msbt is probably Mikord's Scrolling Battle Text, a possible SCT replacement, found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5153-2.0.html |
| 23:14.52 | NivFreak | I'd love to hear feedback on resource consumption of SCT vs MSBT vs Parrot |
| 23:14.56 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:15.06 | ShenDK | purl: thanks |
| 23:15.06 | purl | no problem, ShenDK |
| 23:15.07 | NivFreak | I know MSBT claims to be very lightweight |
| 23:15.10 | nevcairiel | msbt ftw |
| 23:15.19 | ShenDK | purl: hehe |
| 23:15.20 | purl | somebody said hehe was eheh |
| 23:15.24 | Pkekyo| | love how it's changed to "battle text" to not seem like too much of a SCT ripoff :p |
| 23:15.34 | nevcairiel | i never compared resource usage really, i just love msbt's features |
| 23:15.37 | kergoth | msbt is as feature rich as parrot, just with less animation styles, but more flexible than sct |
| 23:15.37 | ShenDK | lol, nice scripts :P |
| 23:15.48 | Kivin | I can't tell you how much memory my MSBT is soaking up, but it uses practically no CPU time |
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| 23:16.13 | nevcairiel | my msbt never tops my mem charts, soemwhere around 300kib tops |
| 23:16.27 | Kivin | my parrot was taking about 2.2mib |
| 23:16.49 | NeoTron | msbt does seem light weight for both cpu and memory |
| 23:16.59 | NivFreak | lighter than SCT? |
| 23:17.00 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:17.13 | Kivin | probably not, but it's still not a performance hog at all |
| 23:17.29 | NivFreak | I'm going to give it a shot |
| 23:17.46 | nevcairiel | sct used to be a cpu hog |
| 23:17.46 | kergoth | http://www.stage6.com/user/Mikord/video/1769668/MSBT-5-0-Feature-Video shows msbt 5's new features pretty well |
| 23:17.46 | NivFreak | I have a some addon(s) that really drag my frame rate down during raids |
| 23:17.49 | kergoth | like the event merging and stuff |
| 23:17.49 | nevcairiel | did that change? |
| 23:17.50 | NivFreak | and I need to figure it out |
| 23:17.58 | ShenDK | NeoTron: oops didnt see you replied before purl did |
| 23:18.51 | NivFreak | yea |
| 23:18.55 | NivFreak | I saw the MSBT features |
| 23:19.00 | NivFreak | which is what makes me want to try it |
| 23:19.10 | Kivin | After using all of the above, I finally settled on msbt |
| 23:19.25 | NivFreak | settled or liked? |
| 23:19.26 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:19.32 | Kivin | I like all of the above |
| 23:19.50 | Kivin | msbt was the only one that ended up being usable without negative implications |
| 23:20.16 | kergoth | wtb a way to disable the wow built in xp gain text |
| 23:20.20 | kergoth | looks so much better in msbt |
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| 23:20.41 | NivFreak | and of course the biggest question |
| 23:20.45 | NivFreak | does MSBT have sane defaults |
| 23:20.58 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
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| 23:21.04 | nevcairiel | i modified 4 templates or so |
| 23:21.08 | nevcairiel | but thats is |
| 23:21.10 | nevcairiel | *it |
| 23:21.49 | kergoth | i changed an animation style or two and not much else |
| 23:22.03 | kergoth | might make a seperate scroll area for pet events, not sure |
| 23:22.13 | Kivin | I moved my scroll areas because I use middle-bottom unit frames, but that's about it |
| 23:22.16 | Kivin | oh, and got rid of the funky fonts |
| 23:22.38 | Kivin | and suppressed the "ZOMG IT'S TIME TO USE KILL COMMAND" notification since it's macroed into all my keys anyways |
| 23:22.54 | nevcairiel | i like that funky font |
| 23:22.55 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:23.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:23.06 | Kivin | I use plain sans-serif everything on my UI |
| 23:23.43 | NivFreak | I installed smartbuff and played with it for about 10 seconds last night |
| 23:23.44 | NivFreak | it seemed ok |
| 23:23.53 | NivFreak | but I couldn't tell if I could make it buff in a specific order |
| 23:24.57 | NivFreak | are dispells really randomly ordered? |
| 23:25.06 | Pkekyo| | sod-all, I'm off...g'nite |
| 23:26.05 | Kivin | o/ |
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| 23:27.47 | NeoTron | NivFreak: yes |
| 23:27.48 | NightHawkAtWork | NivFreak: i believe so, but it'd probably be easy to test |
| 23:28.04 | NeoTron | or at least not controllable |
| 23:28.26 | ShenDK | kergoth: wow thats some heavily customizable sct replacement |
| 23:29.10 | Zariel | kergoth yes indeed |
| 23:45.12 | chiper | hmm, I might just have to give msbt a try tonight. |
| 23:45.45 | NivFreak | same |
| 23:45.49 | Zariel | Why does Your skill in (.%a+) has increased to (.%d+) not capture the level? |
| 23:46.05 | Kivin | .%a+? |
| 23:46.16 | Kivin | why are the dots there |
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| 23:46.40 | Kivin | Are you trying to capture something like "Your skill in Engineering has increased to 365" |
| 23:47.08 | Zariel | yeah |
| 23:47.20 | Kivin | lua> string.match("Your skill in Engineering has increased to 365", "Your skill in (%a+) has increased to (%d+)") |
| 23:47.20 | lua_bot | Kivin: Engineering, 365, |
| 23:47.21 | Zariel | its breaking when it has spaces in |
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| 23:47.38 | chiper | it shouldnt ever space in |
| 23:47.50 | Zariel | lua> string.match("Your skill in Two Handed Axes has increased to 365", "Your skill in (%a+) has increased to (%d+)") |
| 23:47.50 | lua_bot | Zariel: nil, |
| 23:47.50 | Kivin | lua> string.match("Your skill in Two-Handed Swords has increased to 365", "Your skill in (%a+) has increased to (%d+)") |
| 23:47.50 | lua_bot | Kivin: nil, |
| 23:47.59 | NightHawkAtWork | the dots woulua> string.match("Your skill in Engineering has increased to 365", "Your skill in (.%a+) has increased to (.%d+)") |
| 23:48.05 | NightHawkAtWork | doh, woops |
| 23:48.07 | Kivin | lua> string.match("Your skill in Two-Handed Swords has increased to 365", "Your skill in (.+) has increased to (%d+)") |
| 23:48.07 | lua_bot | Kivin: Two-Handed Swords, 365, |
| 23:48.25 | NightHawkAtWork | in either case, the dots wouldn't break the capture |
| 23:48.26 | chiper | whats the %a for? |
| 23:48.27 | NightHawkAtWork | just extend it |
| 23:48.39 | Kivin | %a is [a-zA-Z], IIRC |
| 23:48.43 | chiper | ah |
| 23:48.45 | NightHawkAtWork | something like that, yeah |
| 23:49.00 | Zariel | a is alpha numeric |
| 23:49.01 | chiper | well no wonder it's breaking then |
| 23:49.08 | Zariel | should have space in |
| 23:49.09 | chiper | that wouldnt include whitespace or hyphens |
| 23:49.13 | Kivin | use the last pattern i lua>'d |
| 23:49.17 | Zariel | %[as+] |
| 23:49.31 | Kivin | "Your skill in (.+) has increased to (%d+)" |
| 23:49.40 | chiper | there's no reason to use a qualifier there, you're never gonna get something else |
| 23:51.36 | ShenDK | chiper: qualifyer? |
| 23:52.52 | chiper | a match limitation. he doesnt need to filter out non-alphabetic characters in that space |
| 23:52.55 | NightHawkAtWork | a) "qualifier", it was spelled right there for you, no reason to misspell it. b) %a, %d, etc. |
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| 23:56.18 | NivFreak | wth, can you really dispell the shaman ghost wolf form? |
| 23:56.45 | chiper | eh? |
| 23:57.07 | chiper | if so, that serves no practical purpose |
| 23:57.27 | NivFreak | ganking clearly |
| 23:57.49 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, i beleive youi can |
| 23:58.08 | NivFreak | I've never throught to try |
| 23:58.17 | chiper | doesnt dispel only work on friendly targets? |
| 23:58.18 | Cryect | yep its a magic effect |
| 23:58.21 | Cryect | um no |
| 23:58.25 | NeoTron | chiper: err. very useful from a pve perspective |
| 23:58.27 | NightHawkAtWork | chiper: er. no? |
| 23:58.34 | chiper | oh, ok then |
| 23:58.37 | NightHawkAtWork | priest and shaman have offensive dispels |
| 23:58.39 | Cryect | priests have to dispel all the time in PvE |
| 23:58.42 | NightHawkAtWork | only the pally dispel is friendly only |
| 23:58.43 | NeoTron | chiper: cleanse is friendly only. dispell is both, purge is hostile only |
| 23:58.52 | chiper | yeah, that'd be handy in WSG then |
| 23:59.12 | chiper | neo: ok, that's my confusion |
| 23:59.34 | NivFreak | NightHawkAtWork: uh |
| 23:59.39 | NivFreak | priests dispells are both |
| 23:59.54 | NightHawkAtWork | i didn't say they weren't |
