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| 00:00.58 | Tem|Work | Xinhuan, NP-hard or not |
| 00:01.12 | Tem|Work | "optimizing" for multiplication is going to get you nowhere |
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| 00:01.42 | Xinhuan | i guess |
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| 00:02.32 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59637 10GatherHud/GatherHud.lua: GatherHud: Get the proper route color now |
| 00:03.32 | Gnarfoz | also, why is Scarlett Johannson so damn hot? :p |
| 00:04.34 | ckknight | genetics and a good surgeon? |
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| 00:05.25 | RaydenU | Counting how many times the shadow priests killed themselves with Shadow Word: Death never gets old. <-- boo |
| 00:05.44 | Gnarfoz | that number should be below 1 |
| 00:06.11 | dylanm | I'm interested to hear her Tom Waits covers album, no lie. |
| 00:06.50 | dylanm | It was pretty much the only way to up the hotness and she did it. |
| 00:08.04 | Gnarfoz | http://achumpatoxford.com/u/files/24/match01.png < up that? sweet. I don't know Tom Waits, tho ;D |
| 00:08.18 | dylanm | Well that's a mistake. |
| 00:08.24 | RaydenU | she has scandinavian blood in her? |
| 00:08.38 | RaydenU | tom waits? |
| 00:09.33 | Amadeo | Tom doesn't sleep, he Waits |
| 00:09.43 | NightHawkAtWork | haha |
| 00:09.49 | NightHawkAtWork | thats terrible, Amadeo |
| 00:09.52 | Amadeo | ;) |
| 00:10.21 | NightHawkAtWork | ALso, tom waits covers, you say? |
| 00:11.07 | durcyn | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/28/has-hillary-clinton.html |
| 00:11.25 | durcyn | hillary clinton's campaign ad features a song whose video includes a nun getting raped |
| 00:11.32 | durcyn | wrong window! |
| 00:11.34 | dylanm | Cool I guess. |
| 00:13.05 | dylanm | The message is that there will be a separation of church and state. |
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| 00:23.19 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude 07Ace3 * r59638 10StatBlocks/StatBlocks.lua: StatBlocks: timer cancelling, font setup |
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| 00:28.31 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59639 10GatherHud/ (Artwork/hud_border.tga GatherHud.lua): GatherHud: Replace Grum's ugly HuD circle with a pretty one. Add option to show/hide this HuD circle, and update logic to hide it in instances. |
| 00:29.10 | Pkekyo| | what was the tag for writing comments in HTML docs? |
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| 00:29.25 | Xinhuan | <!-- comments --> |
| 00:30.43 | Xinhuan | note that any comments inside the <!-- --> block |
| 00:30.54 | Xinhuan | cannot have a double dash anywhere in it -- that is |
| 00:31.07 | Xinhuan | unless it is exactly --> in order to close it |
| 00:31.08 | Arrowmaster | yes it can |
| 00:31.13 | Xinhuan | no it can't |
| 00:31.15 | Pkekyo| | heh |
| 00:31.15 | Xinhuan | go try it |
| 00:31.20 | Arrowmaster | <!-- -- -- --> |
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| 00:31.24 | Arrowmaster | valid comment |
| 00:31.24 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude 07Ace3 * r59640 10StatBlocks/StatBlocks.lua: StatBlocks: finished options gui |
| 00:31.26 | Pkekyo| | I'm just popping author/copyright info in there :) |
| 00:31.27 | Xinhuan | xml will complain |
| 00:31.42 | Xinhuan | go try it |
| 00:31.52 | Arrowmaster | what complains? |
| 00:31.59 | Arrowmaster | <!-- -- -- --> is valid xml |
| 00:32.03 | Xinhuan | i once commented out an entire XML block, which has <OnBlah> code with -- comments in it |
| 00:32.08 | Xinhuan | and it fails to load |
| 00:32.21 | Xinhuan | because both wow and firefox treats it as malformed XML |
| 00:32.21 | Arrowmaster | you have to have an even number of --'s |
| 00:32.39 | Xinhuan | yes, well it wasn't an even number |
| 00:33.01 | Xinhuan | <!-- --abcd --> isn't valid |
| 00:33.05 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 00:33.23 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if <!-- <!-- --> --> is valid |
| 00:34.22 | Kivin | My escape key isn't working in wow. I've validated it's bound to main menu in the keybindings. How peculiar |
| 00:34.41 | NeoTron | is the only way to get gathermate and routes to use svn directly? |
| 00:34.48 | Xinhuan | NeoTron: yes |
| 00:34.53 | Xinhuan | unless i zip up a copy and upload it |
| 00:35.12 | NeoTron | our of curiosity, what is "gatherhud"? |
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| 00:36.05 | Xinhuan | GatherHud is this ugly looking thing which i'm about to link |
| 00:36.10 | CIA-9 | 03morgalm * r59641 10MorgDKP/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:36.10 | CIA-9 | MorgDKP: |
| 00:36.10 | CIA-9 | - Added ignored item list add an item by CTRL-click in fubar tablet |
| 00:36.10 | CIA-9 | - Fix morgexport for eqdkp+ again (web) |
| 00:36.16 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp9.jpg |
| 00:36.42 | NeoTron | weird |
| 00:36.42 | Xinhuan | clearly havent added code to see if a line should be inside that circle |
| 00:37.09 | Funkeh` | http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6611/wowscrnshot012908003544qu7.jpg |
| 00:37.52 | Xinhuan | why is the FPS one larger |
| 00:37.56 | Xinhuan | than the other 3 |
| 00:38.14 | Funkeh` | scaled up |
| 00:38.24 | Funkeh` | scale option |
| 00:39.07 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp8.jpg |
| 00:39.12 | Xinhuan | NeoTron, its pretty basic atm |
| 00:39.20 | Xinhuan | just a proof of concept |
| 00:40.43 | Kivin | Where can I learn how to use AceGUI? |
| 00:40.47 | dylanm | Ooh neat options. |
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| 00:45.39 | Funkeh` | nn |
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| 01:05.51 | mort | !rating 1815 |
| 01:05.52 | Xinhuan | 1815 rating gives 784(5s), 690(3s) and 596(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 01:07.49 | Pkekyo| | can anyone confirm wether or not yesterday (monday), week #5 started? |
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| 01:13.34 | Kivin | Pkekyo| what do you mean "week #5" |
| 01:13.58 | Pkekyo| | week #5 of the year 2008? |
| 01:14.53 | Kivin | umm, the 6th was wk2, 13th wk3, 20th wk4, 27th wk5 |
| 01:15.05 | Kivin | i thi9nk |
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| 01:15.17 | Pkekyo| | week five started sunday? |
| 01:15.25 | Kivin | Get a calendar? |
| 01:15.43 | Pkekyo| | meh |
| 01:15.51 | Pkekyo| | don't need to know on a regular basis, just right now |
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| 01:19.28 | Primer | So I'm trying to "sign" this page: http://wowace.com/wiki/Talk:SVN_Rules because I'd like to add my addon to ace |
| 01:19.44 | Primer | but I'm not sure I did it correctly, as my username does not appear on the signature page |
| 01:21.14 | Primer | if I click edit, I see my username at the bottom of the textarea |
| 01:21.20 | Primer | but in the discussion itself, it's not there |
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| 01:24.41 | Primer | heh, seems it needed a hard refresh |
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| 01:27.16 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59642 10GatherHud/GatherHud.lua: GatherHud: Commit last working code |
| 01:30.52 | Pkekyo| | I'm off, g'nite all |
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| 01:32.44 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59643 10GatherHud/GatherHud.lua: GatherHud: Apply intersection finding code to only draw lines inside the circle. Huzzah! |
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| 01:42.12 | QuantumDelta | *Pokificates Antiarc* |
| 01:42.28 | QuantumDelta | hmm though other people might be able to answer the query also |
| 01:42.42 | QuantumDelta | Can anyone remember how to change your sample size for omen/threatlib? |
| 01:43.07 | QuantumDelta | I had the command saved in a txt file but not backed up (new Format/OS \o) |
| 01:47.25 | Keias | Keias |
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| 01:50.10 | FrostByghte | what's that addon that profiles loading time of addons? |
| 01:50.28 | ven | warmup? |
| 01:51.15 | FrostByghte | ah thanks I'll look for that |
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| 01:55.11 | kenlyric | man, it's horribly repetative, but in 15 minute chunks Doom3 is still a fun ride. |
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| 01:57.14 | xyu | Hey guys, what can we do if we're constantly dying to that Fel Geyser just before someone gets fel rage in Gurtogg >< |
| 01:57.17 | xyu | is it possible to avoid? |
| 01:59.49 | CIA-9 | 03kunda * r59644 10AHsearch/AHsearch.toc: AHsearch: X-Embeds (thanks Lindalas and rolfba) |
| 02:04.06 | QuantumDelta | spread out more xyu |
| 02:04.23 | QuantumDelta | how many raid healers |
| 02:08.39 | xyu | let me check |
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| 02:09.29 | CIA-9 | 03yleaf * r59645 10Cartographer_Routes/ (Cartographer_Routes.toc Locale-zhCN.lua): Cartographer_Routes: add zhCN Localization(by Onlyfly) |
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| 02:09.35 | xyu | looks like 8 or 9 |
| 02:09.38 | xyu | 9 |
| 02:09.52 | xyu | it just seems that whenever fel rage comes |
| 02:09.54 | xyu | 3 people die |
| 02:10.03 | xyu | every time |
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| 02:30.47 | potemkin | does wow load addons in alphabetical order? |
| 02:31.12 | kenlyric | I think it loads libraries first. maybe? |
| 02:31.55 | Tain | WoW doesn't load in a consistent manner across all operating systems and file systems. |
| 02:32.10 | Tain | For most people it loads alphabetically, but you can never count on it. |
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| 02:32.58 | RaydenUni | queue? |
| 02:33.01 | RaydenUni | oh the humanity! |
| 02:33.06 | NeoTron | afaik it just loads in directory list order |
| 02:33.19 | NeoTron | which I believe would be first added, first listed |
| 02:33.29 | NeoTron | does it not? |
| 02:34.25 | kergoth | pretty sure it depends on the os/filesystem |
| 02:35.47 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/27/general-boards-poll-reveals-the-obvious/ <-- Old Hillsbrad is the most popular dungeon followed by Black Morass? |
| 02:35.48 | RaydenUni | lies |
| 02:35.59 | Keias | BM is awesome |
| 02:36.03 | RaydenUni | i have the least rep in CoT cause i don't like doing those |
| 02:36.03 | Keias | OHB sux though :( |
| 02:36.10 | RaydenUni | maybe i haven't given them enough of a chance |
| 02:36.14 | RaydenUni | running OHB 2-3 times and BM once |
| 02:37.36 | kenlyric | RaydenUni: truth |
| 02:37.44 | kenlyric | OHB is awesome |
| 02:37.48 | kenlyric | stop doing it on heroic |
| 02:37.58 | kenlyric | THRALL ONLY BUGS OUT EVERY OTHER RUN! |
| 02:38.29 | kenlyric | people like CoT because it's not the same thing they've been doing since 2004. |
| 02:38.40 | kenlyric | ohhidungeoncrawl |
| 02:38.44 | kenlyric | sorry, since 1984 |
| 02:38.50 | kenlyric | sorry, since beowulf! |
| 02:38.55 | QuantumDelta | lol |
| 02:38.56 | Keias | Mech is my favorite still |
| 02:39.02 | QuantumDelta | I hate OHB |
| 02:39.05 | kenlyric | dungeon crawl with energon cubes |
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| 02:39.39 | kenlyric | QuantumDelta: you're doing it wrong. Spend some time hanging out in old southshore. |
| 02:39.41 | Estil | I hate all coilfang instances. |
| 02:39.49 | QuantumDelta | lol |
| 02:39.52 | kenlyric | I just go around kill tigers |
| 02:39.53 | QuantumDelta | old southshore is win |
| 02:40.00 | QuantumDelta | TEH AZHBRINGAR |
| 02:40.43 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: they are the most fun instances because they are different |
| 02:40.55 | NeoTron | not just a "kill trash, kill boss, repeat 3-4 times" |
| 02:41.09 | kenlyric | well |
| 02:41.15 | kenlyric | OHB is somewhat that |
| 02:41.15 | RaydenUni | i guess |
| 02:41.19 | NeoTron | I think separating "run most often for badges" and most fun/innovative instance |
| 02:41.23 | kenlyric | except you have a bugged NPC to worry about too |
| 02:41.26 | NeoTron | mech is boring as hell but good for badge runs |
| 02:41.38 | Keias | I don't find it boring at all |
| 02:41.43 | Keias | The scenery really makes it stick out for me |
| 02:41.44 | WobWork | s'true |
| 02:41.54 | Keias | Plus its a short instance |
| 02:41.55 | WobWork | for scenery, you want botanica |
| 02:42.01 | Keias | Bot is too long though |
| 02:42.04 | kenlyric | Thrall makes that awesome awesome, because it means you always have a scrub with you, even on guild runs. |
| 02:42.05 | Keias | I miss stuff like DM North |
| 02:42.07 | WobWork | also true |
| 02:42.09 | Keias | DM North was amazing |
| 02:42.10 | WobWork | yeah DM was good |
| 02:42.16 | kenlyric | *instance awesome |
| 02:42.18 | QuantumDelta | hmm best instance.... |
| 02:42.24 | QuantumDelta | Shattered Halls with a Tankadin. |
| 02:42.30 | WobWork | and two mages |
| 02:42.31 | QuantumDelta | it's like old baron runs |
| 02:42.33 | QuantumDelta | total win |
| 02:42.37 | QuantumDelta | hell yea ;D |
| 02:42.49 | WobWork | I have sworn to only -ever- do aoe SH runs |
| 02:42.54 | WobWork | it's too much effort otherwise |
| 02:42.54 | kenlyric | I like instances that actually fit into the surrounding countryside. OHB, shadowfang keep. |
| 02:43.11 | WobWork | OHB doesn't really -fit- into the countryside |
| 02:43.16 | Keias | SFK is cool |
| 02:43.17 | WobWork | not like SFK |
| 02:43.19 | WobWork | or WC |
| 02:43.25 | WobWork | or Deadmines |
| 02:43.27 | kenlyric | it fits really well! you don't even zone when you run out |
| 02:43.38 | NeoTron | they should make mini-5-man "raids" |
| 02:43.41 | kenlyric | WC and deadmines are underground, so they don't fit all that well either. |
| 02:43.41 | WobWork | or the thingie |
| 02:43.46 | NeoTron | i.e more like BRD or the old style longer dungeons |
| 02:43.52 | NeoTron | but with a raid-type "respawn" mechanic |
| 02:43.55 | WobWork | RFC |
| 02:43.56 | NeoTron | and reset timers |
| 02:44.02 | Keias | That would suck |
| 02:44.06 | NeoTron | no it wouldn't |
| 02:44.18 | Keias | No one likes clearing trash |
| 02:44.20 | WobWork | I hate trash respawn |
| 02:44.24 | WobWork | it's pointless |
| 02:44.25 | kenlyric | solo raids, imo. need more welfare epics for hypercasuals like me. |
| 02:44.29 | Keias | lol |
| 02:44.34 | NeoTron | it wouldn't be,r elatively speaking, more trash |
| 02:44.35 | Keias | I want some heroic Azeroth dungeons |
| 02:44.37 | WobWork | it makes ST very irritating |
| 02:44.39 | NeoTron | just longer instances |
| 02:44.43 | WobWork | ("Have we been here before?) |
| 02:44.47 | Keias | Heroic SFK and Dire Mual |
| 02:44.50 | Keias | Maul* |
| 02:44.58 | NeoTron | 2 hr trash respawn timers, bound to bosses |
| 02:45.04 | WobWork | I say Heroic raid instances =) |
| 02:45.06 | NeoTron | kill the boss no respawn (or 1 hr or whatever) |
| 02:45.10 | WobWork | heroic Kara =) |
| 02:45.53 | kenlyric | why heroic when you can just make it timed? |
| 02:46.08 | kenlyric | it's like heroic without... er... something. |
| 02:46.11 | NeoTron | 5-man that takes maybe 6 hrs to clear early on, 2-3 hrs when you know it well.. like kara really |
| 02:49.36 | WobWork | nah timed is no fun |
| 02:49.51 | WobWork | and a long 5 man is not good either |
| 02:50.03 | WobWork | since many 5 mans are pugs, you can't find one for that long |
| 02:50.14 | robotusch | old times brd ^^ |
| 02:50.31 | robotusch | especially if you tried to clear out all the quests in one go |
| 02:50.46 | WobWork | yep |
| 02:50.54 | kenlyric | who did that? |
| 02:51.05 | kenlyric | sounds like heresy. |
| 02:51.09 | WobWork | I'm still holding the 'evidence' from an unfinished brd |
| 02:51.10 | robotusch | I did, with my first char to approach 60 |
| 02:51.16 | kenlyric | I went like five times before I even found all of the quests. |
| 02:51.25 | NeoTron | WobWork: 1) it wouldn't be meant for pugs any moer than 25-man raids, 2) 3 day reset timer, trash bound to bosses - don't need to do it all in one sitting |
| 02:51.26 | kenlyric | they're all over the woooorld |
| 02:51.34 | kenlyric | then there was that cunt of a princess. |
| 02:51.42 | robotusch | I hated that fight |
| 02:51.50 | WobWork | hehe agreed |
| 02:51.58 | WobWork | I wish she were cc'able |
| 02:52.08 | kenlyric | I should do Mara on my hunter... could he solo it at 70 even in my crappy gear? |
| 02:52.08 | robotusch | especially being a healer |
| 02:52.12 | WobWork | although the ending to that fight was worth it =) |
| 02:52.28 | WobWork | "OMG ILLEGITIMATE CHILD!" |
| 02:52.29 | kenlyric | mara's the one instance I've never been inside. |
| 02:52.34 | WobWork | I <3 mara |
| 02:52.48 | WobWork | Mara is the first 'large' instance |
| 02:52.49 | robotusch | totally worth it |
| 02:53.06 | WobWork | it's good training for proper instancing |
| 02:53.17 | RaydenUni | i never did maraudon on my main |
| 02:53.22 | RaydenUni | i'm doing it for the first time with my druid |
| 02:53.24 | robotusch | and one of the first that let you skip ahead |
| 02:53.30 | WobWork | yeah |
| 02:53.38 | raylu | wait a sec.... |
| 02:53.40 | WobWork | although I wish the 'staff' were an actual key |
| 02:53.46 | raylu | "please checkout and update without externals." |
| 02:53.47 | WobWork | or that you could use it anywhere |
| 02:53.50 | raylu | checkout without externals? how? |
| 02:54.01 | WobWork | svn co <addr> --ignore-externals |
| 02:54.07 | raylu | er, yeah but |
| 02:54.20 | raylu | if i checkout without externals, won't that mess up the addon? |
| 02:54.30 | WobWork | not if you have the libraries as standalone |
| 02:54.44 | RaydenUni | the whole orange,purple thing really confsued me at first |
| 02:54.44 | raylu | o.0 |
| 02:55.53 | raylu | should i checkout or download the libraries? |
| 02:55.53 | WobWork | probably best =) |
| 02:55.53 | RaydenUni | i wish ambush crit was based on something you did |
| 02:55.53 | kenlyric | I've only ever done uldaman and ST without being twinked. every time I got in a group to go anywhere else, there was always a 60 there. |
| 02:55.53 | RaydenUni | like distance from the target |
| 02:55.53 | RaydenUni | so you could get better at it |
| 02:56.04 | raylu | hrm. is there a way to do it for tortoise? |
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| 02:59.46 | WobWork | raylu: recheckout and select 'ignore externals' |
| 03:00.09 | WobWork | kenlyric: uldaman is fun with an appropriately levelled group |
| 03:00.18 | WobWork | it's suitably challenging |
| 03:00.33 | WobWork | Actually I tell a lie. Uldaman is the first serious instance |
| 03:00.35 | kenlyric | uldaman is fine once you realize you can't do it in one run. |
| 03:00.51 | WobWork | well, since some of the quests require you to head back to IF |
| 03:00.52 | kenlyric | or that the first half is going to be boring because you've outgeared everything. |
| 03:01.29 | kenlyric | head back to ironforge and gain 10 levels |
| 03:02.00 | WobWork | meh |
| 03:02.09 | WobWork | I was having 'fun with resists' all through the second half =P |
| 03:02.11 | WobWork | and we still won |
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| 03:06.48 | Kivin | A puzzle for you all. Randomly, two bizarre things happen to my hunter. The escape key stops working, and his autoshot wont work. A /rl wont fix it. only a relog |
| 03:07.34 | WobWork | does it work with no addons running? |
| 03:08.34 | Kivin | Not a clue. It's only been intermitantly happening the last few days and I've been trying to ignore it |
| 03:08.47 | Kivin | I suspect an addon is doing it, but I haven't a clue which one |
| 03:08.53 | WobWork | try running with no addons active |
| 03:08.59 | Kivin | no effin way |
| 03:09.05 | WobWork | if it still occurs you'll probably have to run a repair |
| 03:09.12 | WobWork | well, in that case, go help yourself =P |
| 03:09.24 | Kivin | I'm betting it's an addo |
| 03:09.25 | Kivin | n |
| 03:09.27 | WobWork | (replace 'help' with appropriate word) |
| 03:09.28 | raylu | the only externals would be in the Libs folder, right? |
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| 03:09.36 | WobWork | raylu: yes |
| 03:09.50 | WobWork | Kivin: Quite likely. However, only -you- can figure out which addon it is =P |
| 03:09.55 | WobWork | and it'll take a lot of work |
| 03:10.06 | raylu | so if i've already checked out some addons with externals, i can just delete the libs folder and rmeove the svn:externals property? |
| 03:10.10 | Kivin | WobWork: I'm going to delete my entire addon folder and start from scratch. That'd be quicker. |
| 03:10.19 | WobWork | Kivin: indubitably |
| 03:10.24 | Kivin | Still going to be 20+ hrs of work |
| 03:10.25 | raylu | wait, nevermind |
| 03:10.26 | kergoth | ~botmail for merl: feature request: change frame visibility based on UnitExists() when UNIT_PET fires for the pet frames, as right now I mount up and see a pet name of "Player's Pet" :) |
| 03:10.27 | raylu | that doens't work |
| 03:10.33 | WobWork | raylu: just that one addon? |
| 03:10.59 | WobWork | raylu: just delete the folder and recheckout without externals |
| 03:11.03 | raylu | WobWork, no, it looks like the svn:externals properties are to the Libs directory |
| 03:11.11 | WobWork | You can't change those |
| 03:11.13 | raylu | yeah, that's waht it looks like i'll have to do |
| 03:11.29 | WobWork | well not without write access, and you messing it up for everyone =) |
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| 03:14.34 | xyu | NOOOOOOOOO, haha , our best attempt on gurtogg by FAR, tanks all had like sub 5 debuffs and he was at 30% |
| 03:14.41 | xyu | and....we had trash respawn on us |
| 03:17.53 | QuantumDelta | heh |
| 03:17.59 | QuantumDelta | sounds like you got it down for the most part tho xyu |
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| 03:18.23 | Kivin | Does FlexBar2 have a GUI yet? |
| 03:18.57 | CIA-9 | 03kergoth 07Modules * r59648 10mHud/DogTag/DogTag.lua: mHud: DogTag module: fix font color option, add font face option. |
| 03:19.54 | xyu | we're having tanks die to the debuff when someone is getting fel raged :( |
| 03:20.00 | xyu | we'll get it though. GRRRRRR |
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| 03:27.04 | QuantumDelta | xyu healing assignmentssss |
| 03:27.11 | QuantumDelta | 1 healer per tank |
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| 03:27.24 | QuantumDelta | tho they're MT healing elsewhile |
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| 03:32.46 | Arrowmaster | woot archimond down |
| 03:35.41 | WobWork | grats =) |
| 03:35.44 | WobWork | did you get anything? |
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| 03:52.03 | CIA-9 | 03wanthony * r59649 10FuBar_AlarmClockFu/AlarmClockFu.lua: |
| 03:52.03 | CIA-9 | FuBar_AlarmClockFu: |
| 03:52.03 | CIA-9 | - Fixed a memory leak |
| 03:52.19 | Gngsk | Xinhuan, ping |
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| 03:53.55 | Gngsk | Xinhuan, nvm |
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| 03:58.57 | aestil | guilds out there using omen, is it working with RoS |
| 03:59.00 | aestil | ? |
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| 04:04.39 | Xinhuan | Gngsk: pong |
| 04:05.02 | QuantumDelta | if yup |
| 04:05.20 | QuantumDelta | it goes ballistic if someone has ktm tho aestil |
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| 04:13.42 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: so first feed back on Routes - when you cluster nodes it would be rad if it avoided putting lines through the node if you can go "near" the node. |
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| 04:14.45 | NeoTron | i.e if I have two nodes 100y apart, don't put a dot on each node but put one in the middle or two near eachother in the middle (I optimize like that naturally while flying too though) |
| 04:15.07 | Xinhuan | are you giving feed back on Carto_routes, or Routes |
| 04:15.18 | NeoTron | Routes |
| 04:15.24 | Xinhuan | because Routes has what you are talking about, Carto_Routes doesn't |
| 04:15.57 | NeoTron | ah I am commenting on the end result after clutering |
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| 04:16.15 | Xinhuan | i'm afraid i can't improve the clustering at this point |
| 04:16.29 | Xinhuan | its about as good as you're gonna get (for now) |
| 04:16.57 | NeoTron | that's fine |
| 04:17.02 | NeoTron | efinite improvement |
| 04:18.19 | Yssaril | is there a way in lua to convert a number from base 10 to hex? |
| 04:18.41 | Xinhuan | no |
| 04:18.49 | Xinhuan | but you can convert a number from hex to base 10 easily |
| 04:18.59 | Xinhuan | actually, you can |
| 04:19.01 | Xinhuan | let me look |
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| 04:19.19 | Xinhuan | lua> format("%H", 17) |
| 04:19.19 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: [string "format("%H", 17)"]:1: invalid option '%H' to 'format' |
| 04:19.25 | Xinhuan | lua> format("%x", 17) |
| 04:19.25 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 11, |
| 04:19.29 | Xinhuan | there, that's hex |
| 04:19.46 | Xinhuan | it returns a string (obviously) |
| 04:19.55 | NeoTron | so if I want to mine rich adamantite where's the best spot (and adamantite in general)? |
| 04:20.19 | Xinhuan | lua> format("%x", tonumber("FC245A", 16)) |
| 04:20.19 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: fc245a, |
| 04:20.23 | Xinhuan | have fun :) |
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| 04:22.12 | aestil | there is something seperate from cartographer routes now? |
| 04:22.14 | aestil | whaaaaa? |
| 04:22.34 | chiper | hmm, WAU seems to be having trouble checking for updates |
| 04:22.36 | Yssaril | thanks Xinhuan thats just what i needed |
| 04:22.41 | chiper | ah, there it goes |
| 04:22.55 | Xinhuan | yes aestil |
| 04:23.15 | Yssaril | aestil check it out http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10990.0 |
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| 04:23.32 | Yssaril | second reply gets you to routes |
| 04:23.45 | Yssaril | but it works like a charm with gathermate :) |
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| 04:24.11 | Xinhuan | aestil: http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/temp3.jpg |
| 04:24.20 | Xinhuan | you can probably browse temp3.jpg thru to temp9.jpg |
| 04:24.28 | Xinhuan | aestil: http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp3.jpg |
| 04:24.33 | Xinhuan | forgot the /wow/ folder |
| 04:24.36 | Xinhuan | in the link |
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| 04:26.24 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_DTNgLJOi0&feature=user |
| 04:27.20 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59650 10GatherHud/Artwork/hud_border.tga: GatherHud: Replace HuD circle artwork again |
| 04:27.52 | Yssaril | WobWork: nice |
| 04:28.12 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: whats this gatherhud thing? |
| 04:28.24 | Yssaril | is it like the HUD thing gatherer has? |
| 04:28.35 | raylu | i'm having some trouble with an svn checkout |
| 04:28.45 | raylu | LibTourist-3.0 reports dependency missing, but there's no wowace wiki page about it |
| 04:28.46 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 04:29.11 | Xinhuan | raylu, an addon that uses libtourist is also expected to have libbabble-zone as a dependency library |
| 04:29.33 | raylu | how would i find out about this? |
| 04:30.16 | Xinhuan | as an addon developer, you should know this automatically - A) when you get an error saying libtourist needs libbabblezone B) if you open up libtourist to look at the code |
| 04:30.29 | Xinhuan | you don't "need" documentation for something obvious like that |
| 04:30.36 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: can you optimize multiple routes at once in the background? |
| 04:30.39 | raylu | :( i just rely on the wowace wiki and i'm not an addon developer :P |
| 04:30.45 | raylu | i was about to poke the source, though |
| 04:30.49 | Xinhuan | NeoTron: no. if i allow it, your fps drops to about 5 fps |
| 04:31.08 | WobWork | Yssaril: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLpoEB_2JZ8 is a better recording of their songs |
| 04:31.13 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: is there a way to maybe queue up optimizing? |
| 04:31.14 | raylu | whatddya know, it's even in the comments :( |
| 04:31.18 | Xinhuan | Yssaril, no |
| 04:31.29 | Xinhuan | route optimizing isn't meant to be done like every hour or every day |
| 04:31.31 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: can you add that cause that be awsome :) |
| 04:31.34 | Xinhuan | you only do it when you create a route |
| 04:31.44 | Xinhuan | you dont, like, defrag your computer everyday |
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| 04:31.51 | GuitarAngra | 01,00hii |
| 04:32.10 | Yssaril | i know but when i am in the mood to create routes i usually create like 5 of them :) |
| 04:32.12 | GuitarAngra | 01,00which folder do i put the cartographer_questObjective? |
| 04:32.17 | NeoTron | suggested feature addition: "Optimize all unoptimized routes" |
| 04:32.27 | raylu | GuitarAngra, your addons root folder |
| 04:32.46 | GuitarAngra | 01,00RaydenUni doesn't neeed to put inside cartographer folder? |
| 04:32.46 | raylu | this, btw, is really confusing |
| 04:32.56 | raylu | how some cartographer_* folders belong inside the cartographer folder and some don't |
| 04:33.07 | GuitarAngra | 01,00yep |
| 04:33.10 | NeoTron | GuitarAngra: |
| 04:33.22 | NeoTron | oops. I meant to say please turn of the coloring of your text. it's ... annoying |
| 04:33.26 | GuitarAngra | 01,00questobjective goes outside cartographer folder, right? |
| 04:33.37 | ulic | or you'll get banned/kicked pretty quickly |
| 04:33.48 | GuitarAngra | my text is not colored |
| 04:33.52 | raylu | or whichever prevents colors |
| 04:34.06 | ulic | it was black on white for me |
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| 04:34.23 | Xinhuan | Yssaril: http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp8.jpg |
| 04:34.25 | Xinhuan | Yssaril: http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp9.jpg |
| 04:34.27 | GuitarAngra | hmm... but i did'nt do nothing |
| 04:34.33 | GuitarAngra | questobjective goes outside cartographer folder, right? |
| 04:34.36 | NeoTron | and when you use yellow on black text normally, it stands out... a lot. your coloring is gone now |
| 04:35.00 | GuitarAngra | i'm using /say :P |
| 04:35.16 | GuitarAngra | k.. can anyone tall me... questobjective goes outside ya? |
| 04:35.24 | GuitarAngra | tell* |
| 04:35.26 | ulic | testing a say on my client. |
| 04:35.35 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: nice |
| 04:35.37 | Xinhuan | raylu: the cartographer_* stuff that is inside the cartographer\ folder are part of the "default package", hence they are inside |
| 04:35.55 | Yssaril | and am checking it out of the svn right now :) |
| 04:35.59 | Xinhuan | you can move them outside and they will also function normally as standalone addons dependant on cartographer\ |
| 04:36.23 | Xinhuan | but the remainder of cartographer_* that isn't part of the core default package, must remain outside as their own addon |
| 04:36.57 | GuitarAngra | k.. thx |
| 04:36.59 | Xinhuan | Yssaril, its not really optimized yet.. :) |
| 04:37.04 | Xinhuan | it works, but not optimized hehe |
| 04:37.17 | raylu | Xinhuan, i'm aware....but it's still confusing :P |
| 04:37.20 | Xinhuan | everything is just at a concept stage -- |
| 04:37.34 | Xinhuan | i find that i stare at the minimap more than the HuD, because |
| 04:37.35 | raylu | what's the cause of the limitation on the addons that cannot be placed in the Cartographer/ directory? |
| 04:37.37 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: is ok will still play with it and give feedback (if something bothers me) |
| 04:37.41 | Xinhuan | the minimap shows the Blips, the Hud doesn't |
| 04:37.52 | Xinhuan | so the hud is more a "pretty thing" than anything else |
| 04:38.02 | Yssaril | no way to get the blips from the minimap? |
| 04:38.06 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 04:38.14 | Xinhuan | the blips are generated internally by the minimap engine |
| 04:38.22 | Xinhuan | no addon can detect or access them |
| 04:38.58 | Yssaril | hmm |
| 04:39.06 | Kurax | Yeah, it's internal |
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| 04:39.40 | QuantumDelta | it has to be |
| 04:39.43 | QuantumDelta | it wasn't a long time ago |
| 04:39.49 | QuantumDelta | and people could run around with horde tracking |
| 04:39.49 | QuantumDelta | lol |
| 04:39.53 | Xinhuan | i assure you, it is internal |
| 04:39.56 | QuantumDelta | or well it was humanoid tracking |
| 04:39.57 | QuantumDelta | :P |
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| 04:40.02 | Xinhuan | because blizzard changed it a year ago |
| 04:40.06 | QuantumDelta | yea |
| 04:40.23 | Xinhuan | the only way to detect the presence of a blip, is to move the mouse over it, and see if there is a tooltip |
| 04:40.32 | Xinhuan | i.e - move the minimap under the mouse |
| 04:40.50 | Xinhuan | and you can only have 1 minimap at any time - can't create a second one |
| 04:40.51 | Kurax | So people can see their minimap dancing |
| 04:41.28 | Yssaril | why did blizz change it? |
| 04:41.36 | QuantumDelta | I think I explained that |
| 04:41.37 | QuantumDelta | :< |
| 04:41.44 | Xinhuan | scripts and addons were out that can detect the presence of enemies |
| 04:41.48 | Xinhuan | and auto target them |
| 04:42.14 | Yssaril | sry QuantumDelta totaly didn't read your response /sry |
| 04:42.23 | Kurax | Not only with that, but also can detect mines, herbs etc' |
| 04:42.28 | NeoTron | lol I just mined a known node and the route changed because I was off a few m from the previous location I believe |
| 04:42.48 | Xinhuan | NeoTron: intended behavior |
| 04:43.09 | Xinhuan | Gathermate (and cartographer) will inform other addons that the location of a node in its database has changed/updated/inserted/deleted |
| 04:43.14 | Xinhuan | and Routes will then update accordingly |
| 04:43.46 | Xinhuan | if you don't like it, turn off the auto-updating option :D |
| 04:43.56 | Xinhuan | its under "Routes" category tab |
| 04:44.25 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: I know it is intended |
| 04:44.27 | NeoTron | it was just funny |
| 04:44.38 | NeoTron | I kept on my oriignal route because the waypoint was still active |
| 04:44.43 | Kurax | So why FuBar menu gone when right click on LocationFu after ckk ported it to Rock? |
| 04:44.46 | NeoTron | don't get me wrong, i do like it |
| 04:44.49 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 04:45.01 | NeoTron | just funnt how a previously known node entirely re-did half the rout :) |
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| 04:45.19 | Xinhuan | Kurax: because if you didn't update Fubarplugin-3.0, the old library defaulted both "Show Text" and "Show Icon" to nil and nil values |
| 04:45.38 | Xinhuan | which isn't quite very desirable |
| 04:45.51 | Xinhuan | fix: toggle those options! |
| 04:45.55 | Kurax | kk, got it, thank you Xinhuan |
| 04:46.05 | Kurax | You name like a Chinese name |
| 04:46.12 | Xinhuan | i am chinese. |
| 04:46.17 | Kurax | Ah |
| 04:46.24 | Kurax | me too |
| 04:46.53 | raylu | is cartographer_data required for catographer_mining? |
| 04:47.01 | Xinhuan | no. |
| 04:47.11 | raylu | o.0, i must be missing something else then |
| 04:47.13 | Xinhuan | _data is a downloadable database of all known nodes from wowhead |
| 04:47.27 | Xinhuan | once you install it, if you dont uninstall it, it will overwrite your database every login |
| 04:47.30 | raylu | yeah, that's what i thought |
| 04:47.43 | Xinhuan | (which isn't very desirable behavior) |
| 04:47.50 | raylu | :D |
| 04:47.51 | raylu | agreed |
| 04:48.05 | raylu | i never knew about that behavior, though, becuase there were a billion points anywya |
| 04:48.06 | raylu | *anyway |
| 04:48.19 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: gathermate_date only overwrites/merges if you tell it to right? |
| 04:48.24 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 04:48.35 | Xinhuan | nothing is done automatically, unlike cart_data |
| 04:48.59 | Kurax | _data do not have program codes |
| 04:49.08 | Kurax | just some tables |
| 04:49.09 | Xinhuan | it does. |
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| 04:49.17 | Xinhuan | its in Cartographer_Data.lua |
| 04:49.27 | raylu | what addon gives you the level of the monsters in the regions? (when you mouseover a region, it will have {region name} [{level-level}]) |
| 04:49.31 | Xinhuan | or maybe its core.lua |
| 04:49.32 | raylu | wow, that's a lot of brackets =\ |
| 04:49.38 | Xinhuan | in any case, it WILL overwrite your data |
| 04:49.40 | GuitarAngra | why doesn't my cartographer menu open in the map disply |
| 04:49.47 | GuitarAngra | does it work in 2.3.3? |
| 04:49.49 | raylu | why should the menu open the map? |
| 04:50.10 | Xinhuan | your cartographer menu, might be behind the map |
| 04:50.13 | Xinhuan | close the map and see |
| 04:50.18 | GuitarAngra | RaydenUni cause there's a button called cartographer that opens a menu |
| 04:50.38 | GuitarAngra | Raylu cause there's a button called cartographer that opens a menu |
| 04:50.55 | GuitarAngra | Raylu no, it isn't, i've already checked |
| 04:51.16 | Kurax | I wonder if you can delete FuBarPlugin 2.0 when using 3.0? |
| 04:51.42 | raylu | er...wat? |
| 04:52.05 | raylu | you want the map to open te menu, i think |
| 04:52.09 | raylu | not the menu to open the map |
| 04:52.35 | raylu | in any case, which addon gives you the region levels on mouseover? (Elwynn Forest [1-10]) |
| 04:52.37 | NeoTron | for GatherMate, it'd be nifty if the icons faded in/out instead of being hidden/shown |
| 04:52.50 | NeoTron | it's somewhat distracting then they just "pop" |
| 04:53.15 | Xinhuan | look in the options, the option is called "Show Nodes on minimap Border" |
| 04:53.26 | GuitarAngra | i just would like to open the cartographer menu but it doesn't work... there is another updated version different from the one in wowinterface? |
| 04:53.28 | Yssaril | Kurax: i dont think so since 2.0 is Ace based whereas 3.0 is Rock based |
| 04:53.42 | kenlyric | Yssaril: you might want to leave the channel now. |
| 04:53.49 | kenlyric | before they kill you. |
| 04:53.49 | Xinhuan | GuitarAngra, never download ace2 or rock addons from any location except http://files.wowace.com |
| 04:53.58 | Xinhuan | locations like wowinterface always has outdated stuff |
| 04:53.59 | Yssaril | kenlyric: lol |
| 04:54.01 | GuitarAngra | raylu i only use the cartographer |
| 04:54.02 | Xinhuan | usually a few months old |
| 04:54.09 | GuitarAngra | ok |
| 04:54.13 | CIA-9 | 03archarodim * r59651 10Decursive/ (Dcr_DebuffsFrame.lua Dcr_opt.lua localization.lua): |
| 04:54.13 | CIA-9 | Decursive: |
| 04:54.13 | CIA-9 | - Added the option "Align MUF window to the right" (off by default) |
| 04:54.13 | CIA-9 | - When a new MUF is created outside the screen, the MUF window is always automatically moved so that all MUFs are visible. |
| 04:54.39 | Kurax | lol CIA-9 is the announcer |
| 04:54.42 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: I'm talking about when the node disappear and the circle is shown (i.e nearby nodes) |
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| 04:55.18 | Xinhuan | not quite sure what you are talking about |
| 04:55.25 | raylu | GuitarAngra, try /cartographer |
| 04:55.42 | Xinhuan | i'm not gonna attempt to do cross fading of 2 .tga files from one into another! |
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| 04:56.29 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: just fading the node graphics out. I could care less about the circle fading :P |
| 04:56.43 | NeoTron | it's not exactly a huge required feature, but aestetically it would be cleaner |
| 04:57.02 | Xinhuan | well nobody's been complaining about it for the 1.5 years cartographer has been doing it! |
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| 04:57.34 | raylu | Cannot find a library instance of Quixote-1.0. |
| 04:57.39 | raylu | i assume it means Quixote, not Quixote-1.0? |
| 04:57.51 | Kurax | with version I think |
| 04:57.52 | Xinhuan | they both mean the same thing. |
| 04:58.09 | vesp|blednholow | hey guys is antiarc around? or is there a better place to report a bug with Omen? |
| 04:58.25 | NeoTron | I don't think anyone complained about not having optimized routes before Routes was implemented either ;-) |
| 04:58.39 | Xinhuan | ~_~ |
| 04:58.40 | purl | :/ |
| 04:58.59 | NeoTron | in fact I'd prefer no circel at all and just fade the icon out :) |
| 04:59.00 | raylu | Kurax, there is no Quixote-1.0 :P |
| 04:59.08 | CIA-9 | 03cwdg * r59652 10LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0/LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0.lua: |
| 04:59.08 | CIA-9 | LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0: |
| 04:59.08 | CIA-9 | - Add zhCN local |
| 04:59.58 | aestil | Xinhuan: your pictures are 404's |
| 05:00.07 | Xinhuan | paste link |
| 05:00.26 | aestil | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp3.jpg |
| 05:00.35 | aestil | wtf, it worked this time |
| 05:00.38 | aestil | you haxor'd |
| 05:00.40 | Xinhuan | works for me? |
| 05:00.42 | Xinhuan | :o |
| 05:00.49 | Xinhuan | its been on the server for a week |
| 05:00.56 | aestil | so it works with cartographer still, but its not carto profs? |
| 05:01.04 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 05:01.12 | Kurax | uber route |
| 05:01.22 | Xinhuan | it'll work with whatever map addon you want to use |
| 05:01.37 | Xinhuan | check temp4.jpg to temp9.jpg if you care |
| 05:01.52 | Kurax | You have to sneak with Doomwalker |
| 05:02.03 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: with NeoTron not liking the circles i noticed that the colorpicker has a alpha slider that is not in use for the circle anyway to implement this? |
| 05:02.13 | CIA-9 | 03cwdg * r59653 10LibRock-1.0/LibRock-1.0.lua: |
| 05:02.13 | CIA-9 | LibRock-1.0: |
| 05:02.13 | CIA-9 | Update zhCN local |
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| 05:02.21 | Xinhuan | hmmmm |
| 05:02.50 | Xinhuan | pin.texture:SetVertexColor(t.Red, t.Green, t.Blue, t.Alpha) |
| 05:02.54 | Xinhuan | whats the issue? |
| 05:03.05 | Kurax | Xinhuan: Are you belong to cwdg? |
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| 05:03.39 | Xinhuan | the alpha color setting is working |
| 05:03.58 | kebinusan | `so Im using freecap on a windows box and using a ssh connection as a SOCKS proxy but every time Im in a boss fight I get DC'd, trash and even AV is fine, anyone have any ideas |
| 05:03.59 | Xinhuan | (but i better check, brb) |
| 05:04.15 | Xinhuan | yep it works |
| 05:04.49 | Xinhuan | Proxifier > Freecap |
| 05:04.49 | CIA-9 | 03cwdg * r59654 10LibRockDB-1.0/LibRockDB-1.0.lua: |
| 05:04.49 | CIA-9 | LibRockDB-1.0: |
| 05:04.49 | CIA-9 | - update zhCN local |
| 05:05.07 | smoke_ | what are the newest/most up to date HUDS out for wowace? |
| 05:05.15 | smoke_ | im thinking of using one havent used on in a long ass time |
| 05:05.24 | Yssaril | hmm then its a bug in wowconfigdialog cause it dosn't show you any difference between opacity |
| 05:05.24 | Xinhuan | mHud is the newest one |
| 05:05.35 | Yssaril | *aceconfigdialog |
| 05:05.45 | Xinhuan | Yssaril, the color picker of blizzard's sucks ;p |
| 05:05.58 | Xinhuan | doesn't show you alpha indeed in the opaque box |
| 05:05.59 | smoke_ | Xinhuan, is it good? or is there an older one thats better? |
| 05:06.02 | CIA-9 | 03cwdg * r59655 10LibTourist-3.0/LibTourist-3.0.lua: |
| 05:06.02 | CIA-9 | LibTourist-3.0: |
| 05:06.03 | CIA-9 | -Update zhCN local |
| 05:06.08 | Xinhuan | no idea smoke_ |
| 05:06.59 | Kurax | cwdg's translations are just mess |
| 05:07.39 | Xinhuan | he's like one of two traslators that does zhCN |
| 05:08.14 | Kurax | He even don't know what "Unit Test" means |
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| 05:08.31 | Xinhuan | doubt it matters heh |
| 05:08.48 | kebinusan | anyone have any experience with using freecap / ssh to get around firewalls for wow |
| 05:08.59 | Xinhuan | i do kebinusan |
| 05:09.11 | Xinhuan | but i prefer Proxifier > freecap |
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| 05:09.19 | Kurax | Well, maybe not, but seeing bad translations while playing is kinda a pain |
| 05:09.25 | Xinhuan | because freecap forces you to run the app from inside it |
| 05:09.44 | aestil | Xinhuan: is there something about it that is better than profs? obviously it is, is there a bullet list of reasons its better? |
| 05:09.58 | smoke_ | oh yeah, do you guys know of a mod that shows the debuffs as a square icon with the timer underneth it? |
| 05:10.02 | kebinusan | yeah, a friend is bouncing off my linux box and can play find 99% of the time, but DC's on boss fights... everthing outside of boss fights he's fine |
| 05:10.10 | Xinhuan | aestil: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10990.0 |
| 05:10.13 | NightHawkTheSane | why the hell did i think i wanted to watch chasing amy? |
| 05:10.13 | kebinusan | I just dunno what could be causing that |
| 05:10.15 | smoke_ | sorry i know this isnt coding related heh, just been trying to find it couldnt figure it out |
| 05:11.17 | Xinhuan | uses half as much ram/cpu + ace3 is the features + profiles + filters + improved routes support + hud + import options |
| 05:11.26 | Xinhuan | better config |
| 05:11.39 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: you should inject the gatherhud options directly into the gathermate options (since its a dependency you might as well do that) |
| 05:11.40 | aestil | thanks. i'll def check it out. |
| 05:11.42 | Xinhuan | customizable tracking circle colors |
| 05:11.54 | raylu | SpecialEvents-Loot-1.0. |
| 05:11.54 | Xinhuan | possibly Yssaril |
| 05:11.57 | raylu | where is that? |
| 05:12.08 | Xinhuan | i added am api in gathermate that allows the injection easily |
| 05:12.11 | Yssaril | not to mention custom tracking circle alpha settings :P |
| 05:12.13 | Xinhuan | a single function call |
| 05:12.17 | Xinhuan | an* |
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| 05:13.43 | Xinhuan | GatherHud currently supports GatherMate only, but there is consideration to also support Carto_profs |
| 05:13.46 | aestil | wtf, Xinhuan i have to have an svn client? |
| 05:14.06 | Xinhuan | aestil: yes - unless you want to download each file separately by http |
| 05:14.42 | Xinhuan | the zip file in the 3rd post is about 1-2 weeks old by now i think |
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| 05:15.11 | aestil | bah. i don't have the leet skillz for that |
| 05:15.28 | Xinhuan | don't need l33t skillz |
| 05:15.28 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: you should add a keybind to gatherhud that will show/hide the hud |
| 05:15.51 | Xinhuan | probably, its just something bored, an unpolished product |
| 05:16.03 | Poul|Raider | Hey, im looking for a tool for firefox, just cant remember the name(format c:) It was a tool to inspect the html with, lower right conner. when clicked it poped up filling 1/3 of the screen and then i could inspect the html tag by tag, css and scripts aswell. Anyone happen to know the name? |
| 05:16.05 | Yssaril | lol |
| 05:16.10 | raylu | can anyone point me to SpeialEvents-Loot-1.0? |
| 05:16.15 | raylu | *special |
| 05:16.52 | aestil | Xinhuan: i don't have any skillz then |
| 05:17.07 | aestil | killed RoS in our second night of attempts. |
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| 05:17.36 | Xinhuan | its just "right click on Addons folder --> TSVN Checkout.." then type in "http://svn address" in the From box, and type in "C:\blah blah" in the To box, and hit OK |
| 05:17.40 | Xinhuan | that's about as hard as it gets |
| 05:18.26 | aestil | omg. wtf. seriously. i'm like advanced user, retarded |
| 05:18.45 | aestil | computer talk over my head. |
| 05:18.54 | aestil | i'll wait til it gets to something i can straight d/l |
| 05:20.07 | aestil | yes, i'm retarded |
| 05:20.31 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: wouldn't aestil need svn access first? |
| 05:20.39 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 05:20.46 | NightHawkTheSane | svn.* has guest read access |
| 05:20.48 | Xinhuan | anyone can use anonymous checkout |
| 05:20.54 | Xinhuan | from svn.wowace.com |
| 05:20.54 | Yssaril | ahhh |
| 05:21.11 | raylu | to get ace3, i checkout .../branches/Ace3/Beta/ as Ace3, correct? |
| 05:21.18 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 05:21.40 | raylu | woah |
| 05:21.42 | raylu | routes is huge |
| 05:21.43 | Arrowmaster | wtf @ doomwalker bigwigs module not checking the fucking boss name for its enrage warnings |
| 05:22.06 | Xinhuan | enrage is at 20% isn't it Arrowmaster? |
| 05:22.17 | Arrowmaster | i dont know and dont care |
| 05:22.21 | Arrowmaster | cleaning bt trash |
| 05:22.25 | Arrowmaster | and its going off |
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| 05:22.42 | Xinhuan | i think its going off only because someone sitting outside BT has him targetted |
| 05:22.47 | Xinhuan | and its syncing with you in the raid |
| 05:22.59 | Xinhuan | maybe some other guild is killing him |
| 05:23.15 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 05:23.26 | Arrowmaster | somebody targeted and enabled the module on the way in |
| 05:23.37 | raylu | nvm, i didn't omit externals :P |
| 05:23.37 | Arrowmaster | the mobs are enraging and its giving a BW warning |
| 05:23.58 | Xinhuan | i've never seen this happen before, nobody on my server ever bothers to kill him anymore ~_~ |
| 05:23.58 | Xinhuan | not with 22 BT guilds anyway |
| 05:24.13 | aestil | 22 BT guilds. nice. |
| 05:24.19 | aestil | my server just killed illidian last week. |
| 05:24.26 | aestil | we are a few bosses behind. |
| 05:24.28 | QuantumDelta | same as ours Xinhuan |
| 05:24.53 | raylu | gathermate_data is the equivalent of cartographer_data, correct? |
| 05:24.58 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 05:25.15 | raylu | without it, i can still collect my own data though, right? |
| 05:25.19 | Arrowmaster | nobodys fighting doomwalker its just that the boss module got enabled |
| 05:25.21 | QuantumDelta | http://www.wowjutsu.com/eu/outland/ |
| 05:25.22 | Xinhuan | we tried to collect fishing node data from user-submitted carto_fishing data |
| 05:25.24 | QuantumDelta | ;\ |
| 05:25.24 | Xinhuan | o course |
| 05:25.36 | raylu | where does it get saved, then? |
| 05:25.40 | Yssaril | my server there is only one guild in BT |
| 05:25.47 | GuitarAngra | raylu, my questobjective doesn't show nothing... but cartographer says it's enabled |
| 05:26.01 | aestil | is it really smaller than cartographer profs, if i'm not running anything ace3 yet? |
| 05:26.09 | aestil | i'll take your word on the cpu thing. |
| 05:26.18 | GuitarAngra | raylu what do i do to questobjective start working |
| 05:26.20 | aestil | i'm just curious abou tthe running of 4 frameworks now :) |
| 05:26.47 | Yssaril | aestil: whats the 4th? |
| 05:27.10 | raylu | GuitarAngra, no, i'm missing a dependency |
| 05:27.16 | raylu | special-events-loot |
| 05:27.33 | aestil | dongle or whatever. |
| 05:27.51 | GuitarAngra | should i download it? |
| 05:28.03 | Yssaril | ahhh |
| 05:28.11 | GuitarAngra | what is it? you mean that questobjective doesnn't work alone? |
| 05:28.30 | raylu | GuitarAngra, no; check your questobjectives folder |
| 05:28.39 | raylu | you're probably using embedded libs |
| 05:29.37 | raylu | ok |
| 05:30.23 | GuitarAngra | yes... then what should i do? |
| 05:30.37 | raylu | GuitarAngra, no idea |
| 05:31.30 | GuitarAngra | there is acelibrary, acedb-2.0 and other many folders |
| 05:32.31 | GuitarAngra | can anyone help me? my questobjective doesn't work |
| 05:34.23 | raylu | what is "tracking circle" in gathermate? |
| 05:35.29 | Yssaril | raylu: when you get close to a node it will turn into a circle so you can see if there is something underneath it (this circle is the trackign circle) |
| 05:35.41 | GuitarAngra | can anyone help me? my questobjective doesn't work... it just doesn't show nothing |
| 05:36.16 | vithos | did you accomplish any quest objectives first? |
| 05:36.30 | vithos | it doesn't come with any data |
| 05:36.51 | chiper | hey Mac WoWers, whats the command key to switch from fullscreen. is it cmd-M? |
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| 05:37.01 | theoddone33 | I believe so |
| 05:37.05 | theoddone33 | been a while since I've done that |
| 05:37.25 | raylu | chiper, yes |
| 05:37.28 | Xinhuan | aestil, gathermate uses only 1.2 mb ram on my computer |
| 05:37.31 | chiper | yeah, I havent used wow on my mac in quite a while, so I cant remember |
| 05:37.36 | chiper | guildmate just asked |
| 05:37.53 | Xinhuan | that's with a full fishing, gas, ore AND herbs database |
| 05:38.10 | Xinhuan | Ace3 itself is using 502 kb of ram |
| 05:38.19 | Xinhuan | so if you add both together, that's 1.7 mb |
| 05:38.26 | Xinhuan | i have 6 addons using ace3 |
| 05:38.30 | GuitarAngra | Xinhuan can't you tell me why my questobjectiv isn't working? it just doesn't show nothing |
| 05:38.39 | Xinhuan | dunno |
| 05:39.27 | Poul|Raider | Are all the spell/item images from armory and forum free to use or do blizzard have some kind of copyright on em saying we cant use em for private sites? |
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| 05:46.20 | GuitarAngra | is there any addon which tells me the quests location? |
| 05:47.01 | vithos | QuestHelper |
| 05:47.19 | raylu | is there a way to disable gatherhud in-gameE? |
| 05:47.36 | GuitarAngra | is it from cartographer? |
| 05:47.58 | GuitarAngra | vithos where can i find? |
| 05:48.23 | Xinhuan | raylu: no |
| 05:48.53 | Xinhuan | gatherhud is a work-in-progress and there are basically almost no options or whatsoever at the moment |
| 05:49.05 | vithos | GuitarAngra: first result on google, curse |
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| 06:00.46 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: any idea on how gathermate compares to gatherer in effeciency? |
| 06:00.59 | Xinhuan | no idea |
| 06:01.07 | Xinhuan | but on a guess, probably 10x better |
| 06:01.13 | Yssaril | lol |
| 06:01.23 | Xinhuan | its just a random number i spouted off the top of my head |
| 06:01.31 | Yssaril | i figured :P |
| 06:01.50 | Xinhuan | gatherer stores a heap of data about each node |
| 06:02.03 | Xinhuan | including who last saw it, how many times seen, date/time of last seen, etc |
| 06:02.08 | Xinhuan | that nobody really cares about |
| 06:02.36 | Xinhuan | but it does have utility functions that use that data to say, delete all nodes older than 3 months not seen before, etc |
| 06:02.45 | Xinhuan | so there's good, and there's bad |
| 06:04.11 | Yssaril | hmm i am guessing you are not gonna implemate a purge all old notes? |
| 06:04.18 | Yssaril | *implement |
| 06:04.29 | Yssaril | *node |
| 06:05.24 | Xinhuan | no |
| 06:05.40 | Xinhuan | what is to say a node is "old"? |
| 06:05.57 | Xinhuan | if i have 100 copper ore nodes in dun morogh and i haven't visited them in a year |
| 06:06.01 | Xinhuan | does that mean they are old? |
| 06:06.09 | Xinhuan | their locations haven't moved for 3 years |
| 06:08.30 | rubik | so with PitBull.. once i hide raid frames, i can't get them to re-show up |
| 06:08.33 | Yssaril | true |
| 06:08.34 | rubik | bug? |
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| 06:09.13 | rubik | only way is to edit SV file and remove ["hidden"] = true from raid section |
| 06:09.23 | rubik | pretty silly |
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| 06:10.20 | rubik | ckknight: quick q re: PitBull that i just typed in |
| 06:10.30 | ckknight | k? |
| 06:10.35 | rubik | if i hide raid bars (i.e. disable showing them), there is no way to re-show them |
| 06:10.47 | rubik | short of editing SV file to delete ["hidden"] = true |
| 06:10.52 | rubik | from under raid section |
| 06:10.54 | Ellipsis` | go to "extra units" and enable them again? |
| 06:11.05 | rubik | i thought i did but couldn't see them |
| 06:11.19 | rubik | sorry, let me check to confirm |
| 06:14.15 | aestil | Xinhuan: my carto_herb only is 800k or so. |
| 06:14.52 | CIA-9 | 03ixchael * r59656 10Unsolicited/ (Unsolicited.toc locales/Locale-deDE.lua): |
| 06:14.53 | CIA-9 | Unsolicited: |
| 06:14.53 | CIA-9 | - Added German translation, courtesy of Himbeerfreak (Thrall-EU). You rock! |
| 06:15.04 | Xinhuan | yes, and gathermate herb's db will use half of that aestil :) |
| 06:15.13 | aestil | i see. |
| 06:15.23 | Xinhuan | you're only counting herbs |
| 06:15.37 | Xinhuan | the 1.2 mb i said is counting ALL herbs + ore + gas + fish |
| 06:15.43 | aestil | i see. |
| 06:15.46 | Xinhuan | + the core addon itself + tracking code + display code |
| 06:15.46 | rubik | Ellipsis`: you were right.. sorry, my bad.. extra units allows re-enabling of raid frames.. doh! |
| 06:15.48 | aestil | why are they all loaded at the same time. |
| 06:16.03 | Xinhuan | because there is no reason not to :) |
| 06:16.28 | Xinhuan | your carto_herbs is using 800 kb ALONE - note that it isn't carto_herbs isn't drawing the notes on your map/minimap - it is Carto_notes that is doing it |
| 06:16.56 | Stanzilla | aestil: if you only need herbs, don't import the other notes |
| 06:17.05 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 06:17.14 | Xinhuan | just import the stuff you want |
| 06:17.31 | Xinhuan | also note that if you run disembedded libraries, carto_herb's backend for node tracking as you gather them is Talismonger-3.0 |
| 06:17.34 | Xinhuan | 2.0 i mean |
| 06:17.45 | Xinhuan | so you need to add that all in |
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| 06:51.17 | Stanzilla | . |
| 06:52.27 | Xinhuan | .. |
| 06:52.42 | Fin | ... |
| 06:53.51 | Stanzilla | :P |
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| 06:57.34 | JunkHead-Work | Anyone home? |
| 06:57.55 | Stanzilla | *waves* |
| 06:58.08 | JunkHead-Work | I have a question regrding AG_UF. |
| 06:58.25 | JunkHead-Work | sec |
| 07:00.45 | JunkHead-Work | Sorry. |
| 07:00.57 | JunkHead-Work | Anyway, I was wondering if AG_UF had party target frames. |
| 07:01.10 | JunkHead-Work | I know it didn't for a while and it was on the "to do" list |
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| 07:05.07 | Xinhuan | if you had to ask, the answer is probably "no" :) |
| 07:06.46 | JunkHead-Work | :\ |
| 07:07.38 | chiper | huh, that's different. colloquy is word wrapping your nick |
| 07:08.00 | chiper | never seen that before |
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| 07:14.40 | Poul|Raider | Are there any fix for IE that makes it work with armory, it just send the request for the page and then kinda die? |
| 07:15.02 | chiper | yes, the fix is to stop using IE |
| 07:15.08 | chiper | :P |
| 07:16.10 | Yssaril | what IE version are you using? |
| 07:16.15 | Poul|Raider | firefox aint working either |
| 07:16.17 | Poul|Raider | 7 |
| 07:16.20 | Poul|Raider | or 6 |
| 07:16.23 | Poul|Raider | the newest :D |
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| 07:16.36 | Poul|Raider | it worked before i reinstalled windows |
| 07:16.44 | Poul|Raider | now it just die |
| 07:16.48 | chiper | are you sure the armory isnt just broken? |
| 07:17.12 | Poul|Raider | HMM |
| 07:17.17 | Poul|Raider | no idea |
| 07:17.33 | chiper | hmm, nope, seems to be working here |
| 07:18.08 | Yssaril | hmmm mine works fine |
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| 07:23.40 | HIghoS | US armory works fine with IE7 for me, but ever since I started using firefox beta that won't work :/ |
| 07:23.55 | HIghoS | Most annoying, as I almost have to find that FF mod that allows me to right click open in IE, sigh |
| 07:23.55 | starlon | works fine on both for me |
| 07:24.00 | HIghoS | (or just use my ubuntu install) |
| 07:24.34 | HIghoS | It's mostly the javascript errors which do even get reported in IE7 |
| 07:24.54 | HIghoS | eg the hover of gear. |
| 07:27.32 | Yssaril | <<< using FF beta2 and have no problems with the armory |
| 07:29.01 | Yssaril | hmm ur right the tooltip dosnt load interesting |
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| 07:30.16 | Yssaril | good night folks am in need of sleep |
| 07:30.38 | CIA-9 | 03jerry * r59657 10Grid/GridFrame.lua: Grid: put back the (corrected) fix for attributes. The bug still occurs. |
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| 07:32.11 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59658 10GatherHud/ (GatherHud.lua GatherHud.toc): GatherHud: Add comments, cleanup code slightly, minor optimizations, add a checkbox to disable GatherHud. |
| 07:37.01 | Poul|Raider | anyone who can enlight me about how xml markup works, etc how does the browser know how to place what grafic based on a xml file? |
| 07:40.32 | Grum | google for xslt |
| 07:41.51 | Poul|Raider | k |
| 07:41.52 | Poul|Raider | tx |
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| 07:47.04 | buu | I love the |raider bit. |
| 07:47.38 | Recluse | what's the difference between PT3's TradeskillResultMats.Forward and .Reverse? |
| 07:47.57 | Diao | one tells you what it is used for and the other tells you the mats for it? |
| 07:48.01 | Diao | i assume anyway |
| 07:49.58 | Recluse | hmm, the logic of it escapes me at the moment. if they are the result, then they are already at the end of the forward food chain, i'd think |
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| 07:54.41 | Poul|Raider | buu ? |
| 07:55.22 | Poul|Raider | Grum, know if it take any special kind of host to use xml/xslt ? (to lazy to try uploading a file) |
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| 07:55.37 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.36 | buu | Poul|Raider: I just think it's awesome that you took an ordinary nickname and added |Raider to it. |
| 07:56.59 | Poul|Raider | Poul = reallife name, Raider = ingame nick |
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| 07:58.39 | Grum | Poul|Raider: i dont do visual representation of crap on the web anymore |
| 07:58.41 | Grum | so, dunno |
| 07:58.51 | Poul|Raider | oki :;) |
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| 08:16.47 | smoke_ | is archud themeable? |
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| 08:19.01 | Pkekyo|wrk | g'morning all |
| 08:19.31 | Pkekyo|wrk | didn't blizzard release the TBC/WoW installs as a download? |
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| 08:24.12 | clad|sleep | Pkekyo|: yes, log into account management, and download them |
| 08:24.27 | Pkekyo|wrk | bloody beautiful, cheers |
| 08:25.05 | Pkekyo|wrk | sysadmin pooped on his shins...all ports are currently open :D |
| 08:25.15 | raylu | Pkekyo|wrk, only wow install for free |
| 08:25.24 | raylu | lol, sysadmin for what? |
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| 08:25.47 | Pkekyo|wrk | raylu not the TBC install? |
| 08:26.01 | Pkekyo|wrk | raylu my school :) |
| 08:26.50 | Orionshock | oh, im boomkin tanking, i speced from feral to balance to avoid tanking wtf |
| 08:27.03 | raylu | i see |
| 08:27.08 | raylu | the tbc install is not free |
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| 08:27.15 | raylu | you can get the wow install for free, though |
| 08:27.18 | Pkekyo|wrk | ah fucking bollocks |
| 08:27.22 | raylu | it doesn't matter |
| 08:27.26 | Pkekyo|wrk | why not? that's bloody fucking ridiculous |
| 08:27.27 | raylu | you can still get it... |
| 08:27.28 | raylu | at no cost... |
| 08:27.32 | raylu | just not from blizzard |
| 08:27.39 | raylu | you can also get tbc for free by buying WoW |
| 08:27.46 | raylu | and activating your tbc 15-day trial |
| 08:27.53 | Pkekyo|wrk | I allready own a copy of TBC |
| 08:28.02 | Pkekyo|wrk | I just don't have it installed on this laptop |
| 08:28.58 | Pkekyo|wrk | aren't there any patch 2.0 files around? |
| 08:31.01 | Orionshock | so i just Boomkin tanked Ambassador Hellmaw in SL |
| 08:31.09 | Pkekyo|wrk | ok, anyone fancy popping an FTP with cruicial wow/tbc folders then? :p |
| 08:31.16 | Pkekyo|wrk | gz Orionshock |
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| 08:31.48 | Orionshock | Pkekyo| if you go to account management on the web site , you can download it |
| 08:32.01 | Pkekyo|wrk | even TBC? |
| 08:32.12 | Orionshock | yes |
| 08:33.05 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59660 10GatherHud/GatherHud.lua: GatherHud: Small optimization |
| 08:33.06 | Pkekyo|wrk | bloody hell, the URL to wow-eu and wow.com is killed |
| 08:33.23 | Orionshock | www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 08:33.31 | neenee | works for me |
| 08:33.42 | Pkekyo|wrk | yeah, it's killed by the local firewall |
| 08:33.45 | neenee | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/index.xml |
| 08:33.47 | neenee | Ah. |
| 08:34.36 | Pkekyo|wrk | hence, my problem |
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| 08:34.58 | neenee | Fix it :) |
| 08:35.09 | Pkekyo|wrk | neenee: how? |
| 08:35.26 | neenee | I don't know, I don't know your setup |
| 08:35.32 | neenee | :) |
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| 08:36.03 | Pkekyo|wrk | my setup is that I'm not able to, nor willing to hack the firewall of my school |
| 08:36.10 | neenee | ah.. school |
| 08:36.21 | neenee | oki |
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| 08:37.45 | Pkekyo|wrk | exactly...sysadmin pooped on his shins and/or router, so all ports are open...so I want wow! asap! :p |
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| 08:38.51 | Pkekyo|wrk | there's still either a software or hardware firewall though, so meh, can't get wow through 'regular channels' |
| 08:41.55 | Pkekyo|wrk | bollocks |
| 08:44.29 | Diao | tunnel it Pkekyo| |
| 08:44.49 | Diao | firewall blocking specific websites is weird :O |
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| 08:46.07 | Fisker- | btw tunneling can gets yous banned if you uses teh softwares |
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| 08:48.29 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 07Ace3 * r59661 10oRA3/ (modules/Durability.lua oRA3.lua): oRA3: don't generate a table per person but 3 tables max for durability, thanks for the suggestion snago |
| 08:49.49 | neenee | indeed. Just play it safe. |
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| 09:03.50 | Xinhuan | ammo |
| 09:03.51 | Xinhuan | CheckInteractDistance( unit, 3.5 ) |
| 09:03.58 | Xinhuan | what does 3.5 check for? |
| 09:05.13 | [Ammo] | euhm |
| 09:05.14 | [Ammo] | I dunno |
| 09:05.17 | [Ammo] | someone fucked it up? |
| 09:05.24 | Xinhuan | because i am reading Illidan bigwigs code |
| 09:05.27 | [Ammo] | oh |
| 09:05.28 | Xinhuan | and that is the proximity code? |
| 09:05.31 | [Ammo] | time to run svn blame |
| 09:05.32 | [Ammo] | yeah it is |
| 09:05.48 | Xinhuan | the game client truncates it down to 3 |
| 09:05.51 | Xinhuan | so it checks for 9.9 yards |
| 09:05.53 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 09:07.10 | Orionshock | anyone remember how to do a net send message? |
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| 09:08.03 | CIA-9 | 03ammo * r59662 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Illidan.lua: BigWigs: There is no such thing as interactdistance 3.5 |
| 09:08.58 | neenee | net send IP message |
| 09:09.04 | Xinhuan | funkydude is the author of that line :D |
| 09:09.16 | neenee | But the messenger service needs to be running on the other system |
| 09:09.19 | Ozguli | both must have the net send enabled |
| 09:09.33 | Ozguli | most people I know disable it by default |
| 09:09.37 | Ozguli | actually they don't, I do it for them |
| 09:09.46 | Orionshock | damn, not avail in vista |
| 09:09.50 | neenee | I do it too and a lot of sites out there recommend it too, thankfully |
| 09:10.17 | sb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.18 | thul | I distrust the uni wireless |
| 09:10.25 | [Ammo] | sb: it does |
| 09:10.30 | [Ammo] | at least it did last night for me |
| 09:10.30 | sb | hmm - in phase 2? |
| 09:10.32 | [Ammo] | no |
| 09:10.34 | [Ammo] | p3 |
| 09:10.36 | sb | ahh okay |
| 09:10.43 | [Ammo] | p2 has no range needed |
| 09:10.45 | sb | need to clear p2 first :/ |
| 09:10.51 | sb | well - that fireball stuff |
| 09:10.53 | sb | is 10y? |
| 09:10.59 | [Ammo] | in p3 yeah approx |
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| 09:11.05 | sb | uhm its p2!? |
| 09:11.20 | Xinhuan | p2 proximity is a bit silly isn't it? |
| 09:11.26 | Xinhuan | the grate is so small |
| 09:11.26 | sb | mhh dont know |
| 09:11.26 | [Ammo] | yeah p2 proximity is silly |
| 09:11.39 | Xinhuan | you just group up in 4 groups within the circle |
| 09:11.41 | sb | okay - social proximity ten :p |
| 09:11.42 | [Ammo] | we just bunch up in 4 groups in P2 |
| 09:11.46 | sb | then |
| 09:12.02 | Xinhuan | the fireball stuff is 5 yards actually |
| 09:12.05 | [Ammo] | took him down for the first time last night :) |
| 09:12.25 | bigzero | hey, if you make a passing group in aceOptionsTable and define a generic set and get functions for the args, can you still define set/get indivisually to override the generic ones? |
| 09:12.26 | Ozguli | 7yds as in melee range? |
| 09:13.32 | MoonWolf | ammo on a coding spree |
| 09:13.36 | Orionshock | bigzero: yes i think |
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| 09:15.47 | bigzero | hmm, doesn't seem to be working in BagFu. http://ace.pastey.net/81413 |
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| 09:16.07 | bigzero | i can't see anything wrong with the code... am i missing something? |
| 09:16.32 | thul | Pkekyo|: i need entertainment |
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| 09:17.24 | Nargiddley | looking at the waterfall code it should use the set on the option |
| 09:17.55 | Nargiddley | I can't remember what the spec says to do (if anything) in that case tho |
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| 09:20.02 | smoke_ | anyone know why i wouldnt beable to remove the tracking buff in elkbuffbars when i check the hide tracking thing in the ebb config? |
| 09:21.00 | thul | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1158/ |
| 09:22.04 | neenee | egh |
| 09:23.04 | thul | explosm = thewin |
| 09:23.06 | thul | haha |
| 09:23.22 | thul | http://xkcd.com/374/ <- xkcd is the only thing that's better. |
| 09:23.31 | thul | and uni wireless is infact up and running at full speed :-D |
| 09:24.47 | raylu | http://xkcd.com/370/ |
| 09:25.23 | Elkano | smoke_, because the 'hide tracking' has nothing to do with the tracking bar in EBB? |
| 09:25.36 | smoke_ | oh damn |
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| 09:25.49 | Xinhuan | what is it bigzero |
| 09:25.50 | Elkano | simply uncheck 'TRACKING' in the groups filter settings |
| 09:25.56 | smoke_ | k |
| 09:26.04 | thul | but where is Pkekyo| |
| 09:26.06 | thul | or anyone else fun .( |
| 09:26.11 | smoke_ | thanks sorry for the idiot question |
| 09:26.39 | Xinhuan | what is it bigzero? heh |
| 09:27.13 | Xinhuan | your aceopt table is wrong, if its for ace3 |
| 09:27.20 | smoke_ | thanks alot damn im such a retard |
| 09:27.31 | Xinhuan | and also wrong if its for ace2 ;p |
| 09:28.22 | Xinhuan | ping me if you care when you unafk hehe |
| 09:29.54 | bigzero | well, it's not really my aceoptionstable |
| 09:29.58 | Nargiddley | whats wrong with it for Ace2 ? (besides what he asked about) |
| 09:29.59 | bigzero | it's BagFu |
| 09:30.18 | bigzero | and Nargiddley, you have to set both set and get methods to override |
| 09:30.25 | Xinhuan | well |
| 09:30.28 | bigzero | setting only one does not override |
| 09:30.32 | Xinhuan | on line 38 |
| 09:30.36 | Xinhuan | self is not defined |
| 09:30.40 | bigzero | also the self pointers were invalid within the table |
| 09:30.41 | Xinhuan | unless its a file scope local |
| 09:30.52 | Xinhuan | so that's obviously wrong |
| 09:30.59 | Nargiddley | not in waterfall from what I can see |
| 09:31.03 | bigzero | yeah, Xinhuan, appearently whoever wrote it never had the problem since the set was never called |
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| 09:31.25 | bigzero | Nargiddley: fubar uses dewdrop, so it could be different |
| 09:31.40 | Nargiddley | ah well, I'm slowly forgetting the Ace2 Options spec |
| 09:31.46 | Xinhuan | well i'll consider waterfall to be a bit non-standard |
| 09:31.53 | bigzero | if not v_p or (v.type ~= "execute" and v.get and v.set) or (v.type == "execute" and v.func) then |
| 09:31.57 | bigzero | right here |
| 09:32.02 | bigzero | need both set and get |
| 09:32.24 | Nargiddley | ah well, its not exactly a well defined standard heh |
| 09:32.29 | bigzero | line 1443 if anyone cares to look at it |
| 09:32.55 | bigzero | yeah, i mean, i don't see any problems with the way it is. as long as you know how it's supposed to be |
| 09:33.00 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 09:33.33 | bigzero | also, need some input... the Open All Bags at bank option, should that open all the bags including the ones in the bank? |
| 09:33.49 | bigzero | the way it is coded now, is to just open the bags on the character |
| 09:34.11 | raylu | make it an option, duh :D |
| 09:34.32 | raylu | XD, my friend just got mc-ed and took down half his raid |
| 09:34.44 | bigzero | which imo is kinda silly. there's extra code in there to specifically toggle the bank bags off, but it could have been written for an earlier api where OpenAllBags(true) did not open the bank bags |
| 09:35.08 | raylu | the only complaint i see being raised is people with low resolutions |
| 09:35.12 | bigzero | actually i'm not sure if OpenAllBags did that |
| 09:35.19 | raylu | may not be able to hold all the items on their screen |
| 09:36.02 | bigzero | shift+b would open all of them anyway though |
| 09:36.25 | raylu | o.0 |
| 09:36.28 | raylu | does that work at the bank? |
| 09:36.31 | raylu | (on the bank bags?) |
| 09:36.32 | bigzero | yeah |
| 09:36.37 | bigzero | yup |
| 09:37.31 | bigzero | ~framexml |
| 09:37.42 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdnaddons.com/ |
| 09:39.13 | Xinhuan | ~dogtag |
| 09:39.22 | Kalroth | woof |
| 09:39.23 | Xinhuan | ~libdogtag |
| 09:39.29 | Xinhuan | ~dogtags |
| 09:39.31 | Xinhuan | bah |
| 09:40.37 | Grum | sexy |
| 09:40.48 | bigzero | yeah, OpenAllBags used to not open bank bags |
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| 09:48.14 | Grum | does anyone know which dbc holds the minimap tile information? :) |
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| 09:52.50 | CIA-9 | 03bigzero * r59663 10FuBar_BagFu/BagFu.lua: |
| 09:52.50 | CIA-9 | FuBar_BagFu: |
| 09:52.50 | CIA-9 | - Fixed openBagsAtBank option |
| 09:52.50 | CIA-9 | - Both on-character and bank bags will now open (seems to have been intended that way originally) |
| 09:56.36 | Orionshock | so anyone else notice big wigs / BM module of Littlewigs freaking out upon failing at the event? |
| 09:57.49 | bigzero | Black morass event? |
| 09:57.56 | Orionshock | ya |
| 09:58.15 | bigzero | hmm, didn't know there was a bigwigs module for that |
| 09:58.19 | Orionshock | if your there for the actual death of medvie? then it freaks out and throws up a crap ton of timers |
| 09:58.23 | [Ammo] | there is a littlewigs one |
| 09:58.28 | CIA-9 | 03scorpion * r59664 10Grid/GridLocale-zhTW.lua: |
| 09:58.28 | CIA-9 | Grid: |
| 09:58.28 | CIA-9 | - zhTW Update |
| 09:58.36 | [Ammo] | but I've never ever failed that event :) |
| 09:58.37 | [Ammo] | so meh |
| 09:58.56 | Bruners | hard to fail it really |
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| 09:59.26 | bigzero | ummm, it's not all _that_ easy on heroic |
| 09:59.31 | Bruners | 3 manned last boss on heroic, with me on my sl/sl lock as dps |
| 09:59.52 | bigzero | not the hardest instance, but totally failable |
| 09:59.57 | thul | well, locks can solo |
| 10:00.00 | thul | so that doesen't count |
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| 10:00.22 | bigzero | plus last boss is not where it's at |
| 10:00.24 | Bruners | and did the 5 first spawns with 4 people and elemntal shaman healing |
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| 10:01.15 | Bruners | you can acctually skip the last spawn and only kill adds untill the last boss appears |
| 10:02.01 | bigzero | last 5 waves are really easy though |
| 10:02.05 | bigzero | drop the beacon |
| 10:02.13 | bigzero | sit back and watch |
| 10:02.27 | Ozguli | I've only noticed it freaking out if it doesn't get loaded by some trigger |
| 10:02.41 | Ozguli | and I mouse-over medivh somewhere near 2nd boss |
| 10:02.52 | Ozguli | there will be about ten bars |
| 10:02.54 | Bruners | bm heroic should be done everyday, takes around 23 mins to do without trash clearing |
| 10:03.13 | Ozguli | Bruners well depends on the gear |
| 10:03.14 | bigzero | lol, nice estimate Bruners |
| 10:03.31 | Bruners | Ozguli: we are running it with alts |
| 10:03.33 | Ozguli | not everyone has mr Twin Blades ad dps |
| 10:03.41 | Ozguli | as* |
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| 10:04.19 | Ozguli | and if tank fails + there's no shadowpriest the last boss can't be killed |
| 10:04.34 | bigzero | shadow priest? |
| 10:05.15 | Bruners | Ozguli: well, you dont take shitty players to do heroic if you dont have to |
| 10:06.20 | Ozguli | well yea |
| 10:06.28 | smoke_ | if tank is geared its gg |
| 10:06.38 | Ozguli | bigzero vampiric embrace heals even if everyone is stunne |
| 10:07.04 | Ozguli | I did a heroic with my guild's MT |
| 10:07.10 | Wobin | as long as there is dot |
| 10:07.15 | bigzero | hmm, i guess that does help. though i don't remember ever wiping on last boss |
| 10:07.27 | Ozguli | Wobin what kind of a priest does NOT keep dots up? |
| 10:07.32 | Wobin | a bad one? |
| 10:07.34 | Bruners | i did heroic ramparts the other day, tank had 10.5k hp and had 2x gladiator pieces rest was shitty blues |
| 10:07.36 | Ozguli | indeed |
| 10:07.37 | Wobin | or a healer? |
| 10:07.44 | Ozguli | :P |
| 10:07.51 | Ozguli | I tanked normal ramparts on my holy priest |
| 10:08.05 | Ozguli | could probably solo the 2nd boss |
| 10:08.11 | bigzero | Bruners: ramparts doesn't really require good tank |
| 10:08.16 | Bruners | healer was in blues and for the dps my pet did more dmg than the mage and lock that was in the group |
| 10:09.12 | smoke_ | damn thats sad |
| 10:09.13 | smoke_ | haha |
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| 10:10.28 | Bruners | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/40fa73e376/a |
| 10:10.58 | Xinhuan | so who maintains littlewigs, is it you ammo? |
| 10:12.08 | vhaarr | ulic does |
| 10:12.12 | [Ammo] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.48 | Xinhuan | it works fine except for black morass ;p |
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| 10:17.04 | neenee | There are no real bad blues in TBC though. |
| 10:17.55 | thul | bad blues? |
| 10:18.04 | thul | that kind |
| 10:18.06 | thul | oh |
| 10:18.09 | thul | i thought like "sad stories" :-P |
| 10:18.10 | thul | nevermind |
| 10:18.32 | smoke_ | mobhealth3 work for players too? |
| 10:18.36 | smoke_ | or just pve units? |
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| 10:19.35 | Bruners | neenee: but some blues does not have to be good for a class or a spec |
| 10:20.40 | neenee | True, there is always something better and more specific out there, but all in all, greens and blues are very good in TBC, not far from epics even in most cases. |
| 10:21.12 | neenee | You can get loads of stamina from greens for instance. |
| 10:24.05 | Hjalte | Elkano: Is there any way to have a buff group make me more aware of it by eg. making the bars blink or something? |
| 10:24.23 | Ozguli | was if of the prophet or something that I like for stamina healing gear |
| 10:24.56 | Elkano | no |
| 10:25.05 | Elkano | brb |
| 10:25.36 | SunTsu | .o0( Looks like Elkano avoids the upcoming feature request ;) ) |
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| 10:26.13 | Hjalte | I'm sure he will come back and listen to all my problems later. |
| 10:27.34 | Elkano | hmm? |
| 10:28.01 | Orionshock | .. urg, need to make tree widget wider .... |
| 10:28.09 | SunTsu | Elkano: I was jokingly assuming that you had to go in order to avoid the upcoming feature request |
| 10:28.38 | Hjalte | And I don't have any problems. At all. My life is swell! |
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| 10:44.35 | Poul|Raider | so, anyone whos is hardcore at writing regex? |
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| 10:45.34 | Poul|Raider | wouldnt mind abit of help making a regex(not wow regex) that match all timestamps from a combat log - 12/12 21:12:14.742 ect remember then 1/12 and 12/1 also |
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| 10:52.39 | tinderbox | there needs to be a way to keep working on a mod when the servers go down :( |
| 10:52.47 | Poul|Raider | [0-9]+/[0-9]+ [0-9]+:[0-9]+:[0-9]+.[0-9]+ |
| 10:52.50 | Poul|Raider | maybe |
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| 10:57.32 | Grum | Poul|Raider: what language? |
| 10:57.54 | Poul|Raider | reqular |
| 10:58.02 | Grum | euuh? |
| 10:58.43 | Poul|Raider | reqular expresions |
| 10:58.48 | Poul|Raider | sorry for typos! |
| 10:58.59 | Grum | right |
| 10:59.02 | Grum | what language are you coding in? |
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| 10:59.50 | Grum | because most languages have really decent date-time parse modules/code |
| 10:59.55 | Grum | just use those? |
| 11:00.15 | Poul|Raider | asp.net |
| 11:00.36 | Poul|Raider | well there are coming something more after the date |
| 11:00.52 | Poul|Raider | just having trouble with the start of the line |
| 11:01.56 | Grum | O.o |
| 11:02.07 | Grum | its not that hard to parse a combatlog |
| 11:02.17 | Grum | look for the first double space - that is the seperator between date and the 'line' |
| 11:03.02 | Poul|Raider | but i want the date also |
| 11:03.05 | Poul|Raider | time |
| 11:03.19 | Grum | *CRAI* |
| 11:03.37 | Grum | nevermind, this is hopeless (no offense but take a bit and erm .. think/plan a bit more before you start to code) |
| 11:04.03 | vithos | just matching the timestamp isn't going to magically convert it into a usable value |
| 11:04.12 | Poul|Raider | no |
| 11:04.15 | Poul|Raider | have anyone said so |
| 11:04.31 | vithos | well, you asked for a regex that matches it |
| 11:04.35 | Poul|Raider | im just learning to do some regex |
| 11:04.42 | vithos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.12 | Poul|Raider | will test |
| 11:05.25 | Grum | yes, so does \d+.\d+\s\d+(?::\d+)[.]\d+ as well |
| 11:05.32 | Grum | iep forgot a + |
| 11:05.38 | Grum | oh a {2} even |
| 11:05.50 | Grum | dont use regexes for stuff like that |
| 11:06.12 | Poul|Raider | im just doing it to learn regex, aint gonna use it for anyhting atm. and what i posted was the best i could come up with for the time being. And seeing your sugestions actuly learned a few thigns so tx |
| 11:06.17 | vithos | there's likely more concise or efficient regexes, but yeah.. i don't think you really want to use a regex |
| 11:06.27 | vithos | ah okay |
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| 11:08.42 | Poul|Raider | in my little test program i just have a sample log stored as a byte[] as its more efficient then reading one line at a time, and then im trying to make some regex's that find some matches in the log. nothing fancy |
| 11:09.13 | Grum | ps, if you want to do anything with strings, do it in a language that actually can .. go for perl/python/ruby |
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| 11:09.56 | Poul|Raider | for learning regex, it was faster to use something that i was used to use |
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| 11:10.47 | Hobby | I wouldn't spend a great deal of time parsing the combat log with anything new...since the 2.4 change is so major to it |
| 11:11.08 | Poul|Raider | like the parsed text file is gonna be changed? |
| 11:11.15 | Poul|Raider | dont think so |
| 11:11.18 | Grum | you dont need to parse it anymore |
| 11:11.25 | Poul|Raider | not ingame |
| 11:11.35 | Poul|Raider | but the text log file will remain i guess |
| 11:12.11 | vithos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.38 | Poul|Raider | why starting with a / |
| 11:12.54 | vithos | well, you might be right, but i hope you're wrong and that they change the file output too |
| 11:13.05 | vithos | just convention |
| 11:13.06 | ramoz | Poul|Raider: you dont think the WoWCombatLog.txt will change? |
| 11:13.18 | Hobby | There's plenty of free regex testers out there, just put the test text and the regex to see the result...I use RegEx Buddy but I think there's 10-15 more out there that are pretty handy for this |
| 11:13.18 | Poul|Raider | what do you want them to change the log file vithos? |
| 11:13.24 | Poul|Raider | no i dont think so ramoz |
| 11:13.40 | vithos | Poul|Raider: to make the log file as powerful as the ingame combat log will be |
| 11:13.58 | Poul|Raider | its a text log |
| 11:13.59 | Hobby | I think it will, if the whole system is getting overhauled it will probably change, even if just subtle differences in the text |
| 11:14.08 | ramoz | yeah, i think the file is gonna look exaclty like the new combatlog does |
| 11:14.13 | Grum | lol |
| 11:14.34 | Poul|Raider | i cant see why a log file would be changed that much, might be a bit more information in it |
| 11:14.35 | vithos | we're hoping that we'll get unique id's for the mobs, so i would hope those go in the file as well |
| 11:14.46 | Grum | getting the complete timestamp is just splitting on ' ' or /^(.*?)\s\s(.*)$/ |
| 11:14.56 | Grum | vithos: i hope so |
| 11:15.08 | Grum | and i hope the message format will be selectable ingame |
| 11:15.19 | vithos | but the log might not even be text anymore. it might be binary xml |
| 11:15.27 | Grum | xml // IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEW |
| 11:15.30 | Poul|Raider | :) |
| 11:15.47 | Hobby | "timestamp, type, srcGUID, srcName, srcFlags, dstGUID, dstName, dstFlags, ... = CombatLogGetCurrentEntry() " |
| 11:15.48 | Poul|Raider | xml and blizzard come with their own wws |
| 11:15.57 | Hobby | seems they will give GUIDs for the units |
| 11:18.05 | vithos | Grum: yeah, if it was just plain old xml that'd be horribly inefficient, but that's why i said binary |
| 11:18.27 | Grum | binary xml? O.o |
| 11:18.34 | Grum | why even call it xml? O.o |
| 11:18.46 | Hobby | think of it as zipped xml |
| 11:18.50 | vithos | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_XML tbh i've never used it |
| 11:18.50 | Hobby | just binary compression |
| 11:19.18 | Grum | crai? |
| 11:19.45 | Grum | i hope they will not O.o |
| 11:21.13 | vithos | why not? |
| 11:21.27 | Grum | because its horrible? |
| 11:21.30 | Grum | xml is horrible? |
| 11:22.18 | Ellipsis | so much hate |
| 11:22.33 | Hobby | Then follows this...got a better idea? :) |
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| 11:23.29 | vithos | i hate xml too, but only insofar as it sucks to read as a human, and sucks to store (other than with generic compression) |
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| 11:23.49 | Grum | it sucks to write, it sucks to read, it sucks spacewise, it sucks in general |
| 11:24.13 | Grum | you can not append easily depending on the structure |
| 11:24.34 | Grum | terminate a line halfway and you are permanently fucked with errors |
| 11:24.58 | vithos | but with a binary xml format, those problems would mostly disappear would they not? |
| 11:25.12 | vithos | i mean, other than it not being human readable at all, but by design |
| 11:26.03 | vithos | it would be efficient storage-wise, and probably more efficient to process as well |
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| 11:28.02 | Wobin | xml is never efficient storage wise =P |
| 11:28.33 | vithos | you claim a technology called "Efficient XML" is not efficient? :P |
| 11:34.34 | Grum | it is not |
| 11:35.16 | Wobin | yes |
| 11:35.19 | Wobin | I claim so =P |
| 11:38.31 | vithos | then we will agree to disagree |
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| 11:41.35 | Wobin | we will? |
| 11:41.56 | vithos | fine. i will agree to disagree, you may or may not |
| 11:42.05 | vithos | http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5724/wowscrnshot012708191557ty8.jpg |
| 11:42.30 | vithos | one of the many i'm sure city raids on sunday that brought down the realms |
| 11:43.32 | nevcairiel | I bet 99% of the wow players dont know that you have to announce big raids on citys to the GMs so they can prepare the world servers for the big hits |
| 11:44.16 | vithos | i bet 99% of the GMs didn't know that when all the battleground windows cease to have battlegrounds in them, the only thing left to do is raid cities. |
| 11:44.38 | nevcairiel | You could get something real to do =P |
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| 11:45.01 | vithos | 3 raids formed independently :P |
| 11:45.19 | vithos | it was inevitable |
| 11:45.50 | Wobin | nevcairiel: real to do? Like... real... life? |
| 11:45.50 | Wobin | omg |
| 11:45.56 | nevcairiel | On our server, they had like 120 people raid ogrimmar once, and thus crashing the server. GMs banned half of them for a week after they claimed they did that to stop the so-called "elite players" from raiding |
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| 11:46.49 | Poul|Raider | hehe. vithos, i found a downside of the test program, load the whole log to memory makes it go realy fast as i wanted, but reading one line at a time used like no memory at the cost of some speed :( |
| 11:46.51 | nevcairiel | when the next free server transfer came up, most of those disappeared |
| 11:47.56 | vithos | Poul|Raider: sounds like you might want to use threads |
| 11:48.17 | Poul|Raider | vithos, sounds like something i dont remember much off |
| 11:49.17 | vithos | nevcairiel: the raid i was in was all people who had already cleared t6 content for the week and therefore only had PvPing left to do until tuesday |
| 11:49.58 | nevcairiel | you know what we do in that case, we actually dont play .. its unbelievable, i know! |
| 11:50.00 | vithos | but meh, i'd be pretty pissed if they banned anybody for the catastrophy that resulted from their own failure at keeping battlegrounds working |
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| 11:50.39 | nevcairiel | pvp in wow = boring like shit anyway |
| 11:50.40 | vithos | it's bad enough that the battlegrounds have been lagging on and off for weeks |
| 11:50.56 | vithos | blizzard got what was coming to them, imo |
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| 11:51.17 | Pkekyo|work | I just spent two hours in the wrong irc channel and didn't even notice >.< |
| 11:51.21 | vithos | it's not like they can't afford more servers, really |
| 11:51.42 | vithos | same with the freaking arena queue times |
| 11:51.52 | Pkekyo|work | vithosblizzard got what was coming to them, imo <--- what came? |
| 11:51.57 | nevcairiel | we have no issues there, instant join as long as enemys are around |
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| 11:52.56 | vithos | Pkekyo|work: nearly half the US realms went down (estimated from my scrolling down the realm status page that night, possibly not an accurate figure) |
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| 11:53.28 | vithos | nevcairiel: our queue times go up the more players there are queuing, because there's a limit on the number of arena instances |
| 11:54.00 | nevcairiel | yeah because 100 people couldnt just relax, they decided to go and raid citys, where everybody knows it will crash, and stop thousands from playing at all. nice job =P |
| 11:54.13 | vithos | nobody knew it would crash |
| 11:54.19 | nevcairiel | everybody knows that |
| 11:54.25 | nevcairiel | if you dont, you're a fool :P |
| 11:54.32 | vithos | i've only been playing for a year |
| 11:54.40 | Wobin | I'd expect it not to happen |
| 11:54.41 | vithos | i guess i'm a newb. never seen a city raid crash the realm before |
| 11:54.51 | Wobin | for the number of subscribers WoW has and the revenue generated |
| 11:55.16 | vithos | exactly |
| 11:55.30 | vithos | they've been having capacity problems for a long time |
| 11:55.36 | nevcairiel | Wobin: you would, in theory, but in practice every full raid on a busy server on a busy city like orgrimmar, that will cause alot of horde resistance, thats easy 150 people in a very small area, will cause the world server to go down |
| 11:55.45 | Wobin | nevcairiel: certainly. |
| 11:55.59 | Wobin | but there should be a plan in place to fix those sorts of issues |
| 11:56.03 | vithos | right, BUT, the only reason the city raids were so insane is because the battlegrounds failed |
| 11:56.04 | Wobin | not just patch it |
| 11:56.15 | Wobin | especially with wotlk coming out |
| 11:56.22 | Wobin | and the subsequent torrent of new subscribers |
| 11:56.22 | nevcairiel | there is, IF you announce raids like that, GMs can move those zones to another server |
| 11:56.24 | vithos | i was in "the last AV" before this all happened |
| 11:56.29 | vithos | and it was lagging pretty bad |
| 11:56.39 | Pkekyo|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.40 | vithos | 5-10 seconds of lag |
| 11:57.22 | nevcairiel | thats like saying "hey the cinema closed early, lets go burn the town hall" |
| 11:57.25 | Wobin | Blizzard should just buy a whole shmangle of new servers, and move us onto it |
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| 11:58.07 | Wobin | Nah, it's like saying: "Man the movie was crap, the projector kept breaking down. Lets all go to the club instead" |
| 11:58.25 | Wobin | and the club saying: "OMG capacity reached" |
| 11:58.40 | nevcairiel | and what happens when 1000 people from a cinema get to a small club thats already crowded, and you even start a fight there? |
| 11:59.08 | Wobin | this is a crappy analogy =P |
| 11:59.12 | vithos | first of all, we had no idea any other realm was having problems |
| 11:59.17 | [dRaCo] | but fun to think about |
| 11:59.22 | Wobin | since we're talking about pvp in the first place |
| 11:59.39 | Wobin | you can't say that people who want to pvp, and can't through battlegrounds -won't- think of world pvp next? |
| 11:59.51 | vithos | i only found out other realms were experiencing the exact same thing AFTER our continents were down |
| 11:59.58 | Wobin | "No, you can't PVP, you must go and farm motes." |
| 12:00.08 | Wobin | "Sux2bu" |
| 12:00.16 | nevcairiel | sure Wobin, but guess i am just to reasonable to know that nothing good will ever come out of it =P |
| 12:00.17 | Fisker- | qhai |
| 12:00.18 | Fisker- | hai |
| 12:00.26 | Wobin | nevcairiel: naturally |
| 12:00.30 | Wobin | we should ban pvp entirely |
| 12:00.37 | nevcairiel | agreed |
| 12:00.38 | Wobin | That would solve all the class balance issues |
| 12:00.54 | vithos | we thought thrall dying was good, and that we would be able to cast spells at him once we got to him. |
| 12:01.08 | vithos | rather instants taking 30 seconds to go off :P |
| 12:01.32 | vithos | rather than* |
| 12:01.48 | nevcairiel | before the server upgrades you would have been disconnected when the first wave of casts started, rather then just having bad lag =P |
| 12:02.06 | Grum | <nevcairiel> you know what we do in that case, we actually dont play .. its unbelievable, i know! <-- hehe i code addons ;D |
| 12:02.38 | nevcairiel | I bet its a network protocol issue, that doesnt allow that much action in one zone |
| 12:02.45 | nevcairiel | or in a subzone even |
| 12:02.47 | Kalroth | I hate those SK gaming fuckers, they made my battlegroup the BG9 of europe, so now there's a ton of retards transferring |
| 12:02.50 | Grum | nevcairiel: 150people in a small area doesnt make it go down right? |
| 12:02.53 | Grum | what about the ah? |
| 12:02.58 | Kalroth | had a 12 minute 2v2 queue |
| 12:03.20 | nevcairiel | Grum: if they just stand there, no, if they start fighting each other, and those messages get out too.. who knows |
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| 12:03.38 | nevcairiel | (doesnt work if you just AoE in there, you have to actually damage someone) |
| 12:04.06 | vithos | and when there's huge numbers of players pvp flagged in the same room, AoE is obviously the best choice. |
| 12:04.16 | vithos | if you are serious about killing people |
| 12:04.23 | Grum | but that would also mean that if you group up to kill some highlvl elites with ~120 people that would also crash the server? |
| 12:04.31 | nevcairiel | Grum: yeah |
| 12:04.39 | nevcairiel | Grum: it did actually, remember AQ events? |
| 12:04.43 | Grum | nope |
| 12:04.47 | vithos | i think 60 vs 60 would be a lot more intensive than 120 vs 1 |
| 12:04.47 | Grum | didnt play back then |
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| 12:05.28 | nevcairiel | we gathered like 3 raids to do the satyr in duskwood and moonglade afterwards, in duskwood we had to tell two raids to leave the scene so it wouldnt crash |
| 12:05.34 | nevcairiel | for some reason it worked in moonglade, tho |
| 12:05.45 | Wobin | I remember the 40 alliance pally vs 40 horde shammy raid |
| 12:05.49 | Wobin | that was amusing =) |
| 12:05.56 | nevcairiel | oh yeah, lethon was roaming duskwood, we had to kill him first, that killed the server with 3 raids =P |
| 12:06.03 | Kalroth | Moonglade got a higher priority, nevcairiel. Remember the AQ40 questline and whatnot. |
| 12:06.29 | nevcairiel | yeah i guess they actually managed to make it work |
| 12:06.40 | nevcairiel | but the distance you could see characters was pretty much limited :D |
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| 12:08.53 | nevcairiel | Grum: oh, and Silithus even crashed during the opening of the AQ gates, with no fighting, just like a shitload of people, i bet 300 or more |
| 12:09.13 | nevcairiel | half of them jumping, other half running around, killed the servers :D |
| 12:09.16 | Grum | quite pathetic tbh |
| 12:09.47 | nevcairiel | During TBC release, the Outlands continent regularly crashed because too many people where in HFP |
| 12:09.56 | vithos | you know, surely they could come up with a way to parallelize mmo worlds better. |
| 12:10.21 | Pkekyo|wrk | vithos: how? :) |
| 12:10.21 | Ellipsis | yeah but there was combat going on in HFP at least |
| 12:10.31 | vithos | i'll tell you how. |
| 12:10.58 | vithos | what's wrong with this idea: divide the world up into a grid, then divide it up again but with the grid offset halfway in both directions |
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| 12:11.19 | vithos | be able to load balance these small squares |
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| 12:11.42 | nevcairiel | You have to remember, they dont want loading screens when changing zones |
| 12:11.46 | vithos | between physical servers. now, the trick is, you're processing everything twice |
| 12:11.47 | nevcairiel | thus, you cannot change the server |
| 12:11.51 | vithos | right, i know |
| 12:12.04 | vithos | let me just take a minute and write this in an understandable way |
| 12:14.19 | Ellipsis | ~seen Fin |
| 12:14.55 | purl | fin is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 241 messages. Is idling for 5h 22m 13s, last said: '...'. |
| 12:14.55 | nevcairiel | ~seen purl |
| 12:14.56 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (6d 15h 50m 2s) #botpark (6d 15h 50m 2s) #linuxfund (6d 15h 50m 2s) #wowi-lounge (6d 15h 50m 2s) #edev (6d 15h 50m 2s) #fossfund (6d 15h 50m 2s) #hosernet (6d 15h 50m 2s) #norganna (6d 15h 50m 2s) #ud (6d 15h 50m 2s) #dub (6d 15h 50m 2s) #teleconf (6d ... |
| 12:14.56 | nevcairiel | purl, botsnack |
| 12:14.56 | purl | :), nevcairiel |
| 12:15.16 | Fisker- | hva så nevcairiel der |
| 12:15.25 | Fisker- | der inde i huset der |
| 12:15.26 | nevcairiel | ~lart Fisker- |
| 12:15.26 | purl | shoves a crumpet down Fisker-'s throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
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| 12:16.05 | nevcairiel | i like that lart |
| 12:16.06 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 12:22.22 | vithos | ok, let me pastey this. i even made a terrible ASCII drawing |
| 12:22.37 | Fisker- | i like you nevcairiel |
| 12:22.38 | Fisker- | :)) |
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| 12:23.59 | vithos | http://pastey.net/81421 |
| 12:25.28 | vithos | there's surely better ways of doing it, but wouldn't that at least work? |
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| 12:29.08 | vhaarr | haste: doesn't seem like oUF saves the frame positions, is that intended? |
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| 12:31.24 | Wobin | vithos: that sounds like computational hell =) |
| 12:31.35 | Wobin | especially with inefficient ping times |
| 12:32.21 | vithos | you could probably shortcut a lot of computations and only do them in one world or the other most of the time |
| 12:33.09 | Wobin | so that deals with interaction on a personal basis within your apparant 'world' |
| 12:33.19 | Wobin | but what about cross world interaction? |
| 12:33.32 | Wobin | with hundreds of people split geographically by chance across two systems |
| 12:33.47 | Wobin | the computation between the worlds as they move back and forth would be horrible |
| 12:34.08 | vithos | are their interactions like, in a huge chain? |
| 12:34.11 | vithos | or all seperate |
| 12:34.48 | Wobin | yes? |
| 12:35.00 | Wobin | aoe =) |
| 12:35.40 | vithos | a crazy chain-and-rechain cleave could cause problems. |
| 12:35.46 | Wobin | by splitting the decision of which server the character is on by it's location, you're making aoe computation difficult |
| 12:36.06 | vithos | only if the radius of the AoE is approaching the size of the grid, i think? |
| 12:36.23 | Fisker- | i r teh winrar |
| 12:36.24 | Wobin | or near a boundary |
| 12:36.27 | vithos | i mean yeah, you're sometimes going to have to process the same things on both worlds |
| 12:36.31 | Wobin | ~lart Fisker- |
| 12:36.31 | purl | forces Fisker- to use Outlook Express |
| 12:36.54 | Fisker- | btw vhaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:36.55 | Wobin | also, in world pve, there could be large aoe happening |
| 12:37.03 | vithos | right, if one player was closer to a worldA square center, and was fighting the other player who was closer to a worldB center.. |
| 12:37.09 | Fisker- | what has you done to NRT? :O |
| 12:38.04 | Fisker- | ~lart Wobin |
| 12:38.04 | purl | declares Wobin a moron |
| 12:38.07 | vithos | you'd need to group all interacting units into sets, where no member of the set is interacting with anything outside of the set |
| 12:38.23 | vithos | and then figure out which squares need to be computed for it |
| 12:38.31 | Fisker- | i'm winning on larting |
| 12:38.33 | vithos | but i think those groups would be per-action, like per-AoE? |
| 12:38.35 | Wobin | ~lart Fisker- |
| 12:38.35 | purl | raises middle finger to Fisker- |
| 12:38.50 | vithos | maybe just figuring out the grouping would be too expensive, i dunno |
| 12:39.52 | vithos | you're basically trying to divide the world up into overlapping "instances" |
| 12:40.08 | vithos | but load balancing wouldn't be trivial at all |
| 12:40.22 | vithos | that'd need some serious network protocol |
| 12:40.27 | Fisker- | ~lart Wobin |
| 12:40.27 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of Wobin |
| 12:40.33 | Wobin | ~lart Fisker- |
| 12:40.33 | purl | pries Fisker-'s back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to Fisker- |
| 12:40.42 | Wobin | ahah. macos |
| 12:42.52 | Fisker- | :< |
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| 12:42.56 | vithos | in the case of say, a raid on orgrimmar, the goal shouldn't be to divide orgimmar up into instances, but instead to isolate orgrimmar and be able to give it an entire physical machine to itself, if necessary |
| 12:44.22 | vithos | because you definitely wouldn't want to be processing the orgrimmar raid in two seperate worlds, but to process people moving between orgrimmar and the world around it twice sometimes would be an acceptable cost |
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| 12:46.51 | Wobin | being able to toss a zone onto a separate server would be great |
| 12:46.57 | Wobin | well |
| 12:46.59 | nevcairiel | I bet the syncing is a much bigger issue then anything else |
| 12:47.14 | Wobin | rather, it should try to happen automatically once it reaches a specific threshold |
| 12:47.25 | Wobin | Instead of the GMs needing to do the shifting |
| 12:47.50 | nevcairiel | I bet it can increase the capacity by itself, to some extent |
| 12:47.53 | Wobin | It could pre-emptively attempt to shift it if the population of the surrounding zones increases |
| 12:48.00 | Wobin | and it's a major hub |
| 12:48.12 | Wobin | so if raids gather in the tram zone... |
| 12:48.25 | Wobin | IF/SW shift to larger servers |
| 12:48.29 | vithos | you'd want to avoid having to sync, or "transfer an area state" between physical machines as much as possible |
| 12:48.42 | Wobin | and you'd want to do it as early as possible |
| 12:49.00 | Wobin | to shift as few a number of people as you can |
| 12:49.01 | vithos | which is why i think the overlapping/offset grids would work. you'd have multiple systems /ready/ to compute the same thing, but then you'd always try to figure out if you can just have one do it |
| 12:49.14 | Wobin | after that, it's all about redirecting zone transfers to the new location |
| 12:50.00 | Wobin | oh man |
| 12:50.06 | Wobin | we should work on world peace next! |
| 12:50.30 | vithos | too easy. blow them all to bits! |
| 12:50.46 | Wobin | not world pieces =( |
| 12:50.52 | nevcairiel | since noone knows how their infrastructure works, all ideas are pointless anyway :D |
| 12:51.17 | vithos | this would have to be WoW2. |
| 12:51.59 | wereHamster | we already are at wow 2(.3) |
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| 12:52.19 | vithos | there's no way they'd want to spend the money to change the entire infrastructure without being able to use it as a selling point for a new game |
| 12:52.21 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 07Ace3 * r59666 10oRA3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): oRA3: drycode add basic locale support |
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| 12:52.31 | Wobin | WoS |
| 12:52.53 | Wobin | easy |
| 12:53.39 | vithos | i'm pretty sure blizzard has referred to a hypothetical "WoW2" when answering questions in interviews about the nature of the expansions |
| 12:54.04 | vithos | so i would say we're at WoW1 v2.3 |
| 12:54.22 | nevcairiel | i dont think there ever will be a real WoW2 |
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| 12:58.17 | vithos | they can only keep raising the level cap so many times before they won't find any new players willing to grind through it |
| 12:58.33 | clad|office | and making a new game fixes that how? |
| 12:59.19 | vithos | getting rid of the "legacy" levels? |
| 12:59.30 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 07Ace3 * r59667 10Grid/Grid/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:59.30 | CIA-9 | Grid: (Ace3 branch) |
| 12:59.30 | CIA-9 | _ Incremental update to Ace3 compatibility. Should load without error now. |
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| 12:59.46 | clad|office | cause clearly the fact that they're allowing you to create a death knight at a higher level means they wouldn't ever do that again O.o |
| 13:00.00 | clad|office | instead, they could make people spend more money to go through another bottom level grind, yay! |
| 13:00.07 | clad|office | I'm sorry, I just don't buy that argument |
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| 13:00.30 | ckknight | well, they bumped the xp gain in lvl 20-60 |
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| 13:00.39 | ckknight | so my guess is that they'd just keep doing that |
| 13:00.48 | clad|office | or come up with some other mechanic |
| 13:00.55 | clad|office | a way to unlock higher level characters to start with |
| 13:01.01 | clad|office | or something more inventive than either :P |
| 13:01.12 | ckknight | clad|office: I appreciate the previous stapling, btw, but it didn't work as intended. You should look into getting more industrial strength staples |
| 13:01.15 | [SW]Dodge | ace3 addons are not aviable in any way through WAU or? |
| 13:01.23 | clad|office | ckknight: it was a damn staple gun!! |
| 13:01.29 | clad|office | i don't have anything stronger :( |
| 13:01.35 | Ellipsis` | o.O |
| 13:01.39 | Ellipsis` | who's stapling what now? |
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| 13:01.53 | Lukian | [SW]Dodge, naturally, they are pre- public release quality |
| 13:02.19 | vithos | so you think there's no limit to how much they can, or would even want to, stretch the game out? you think they'd eventually make the original worlds inaccessible? |
| 13:02.32 | ckknight_ | clad|office: imho, you should be able to create a character at level == 3/4 your highest character |
| 13:02.41 | clad|office | ckknight: I would support that |
| 13:02.44 | ckknight | I have a lvl 60 now, so I should be able to make a lvl 45 of any class/race I want |
| 13:03.10 | vithos | heh, that would be awesome. |
| 13:03.15 | ckknight | cause that way, you really don't lose much |
| 13:03.15 | ckknight | but you still gotta level a bit with your new char to get used to it |
| 13:03.42 | Ellipsis` | imo it would kinda ruin the whole learning thing |
| 13:03.47 | nevcairiel | While i agree that leveling sucks, you only really know a char if you played him from 1, and learned to use the abilitys as you get them |
| 13:03.56 | Ellipsis` | I'd prefer it limited by class |
| 13:04.09 | Ellipsis` | so you could make a level 45 pally, but you'd have to start over for a shaman |
| 13:04.31 | Ellipsis` | because the leveling process is pretty well designed as far as pacing the new abilities so you learn how to use them properly |
| 13:04.48 | ckknight | I completely disagree, Ellipsis`, since you'd've already learned the game, and to learn the new class wouldn't take all that long, and you'd have the 1/4 levels left to go through |
| 13:05.05 | vithos | hm.. maybe instead of lopping 3/4 of the game off from the beginning, take 3/4 of each level's xp requirement out? |
| 13:05.07 | Fisker- | you cannot stop me |
| 13:05.22 | nevcairiel | tell that to all those sucky alts who dont know whit about their class because they only grinded it up |
| 13:05.28 | nevcairiel | *whit=shit |
| 13:05.44 | vhaarr | some people don't even know their class after years at max level play |
| 13:05.49 | vhaarr | so the leveling process helps |
| 13:05.49 | nevcairiel | with the recent changed to xp and stuff, leveling isnt really that bad anymore |
| 13:05.53 | ckknight | vithos: I see some issues with that |
| 13:05.57 | Ellipsis` | well people can always do it wrong |
| 13:06.07 | Chompers | if you're going to make a second character, it isn't going to be the same class as what you've just leveled |
| 13:06.18 | Ellipsis` | but I think for those who actually take advantage of the leveling process to learn their characters, it would be good |
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| 13:06.22 | vithos | nevcairiel: the converse can also happen. i meet so many level 70 hunters who are still using aimed shot and serpent sting in their dps rotation |
| 13:06.50 | nevcairiel | vithos: and that doesnt get better if they can start with 45 already =P |
| 13:06.54 | JunkHead-Work | Still doesn't beat someone who admits to buying a character. |
| 13:07.05 | JunkHead-Work | And their first instance on that character is Mechanar. |
| 13:07.23 | ckknight | well, say you have a lvl 70 |
| 13:07.58 | vithos | nevcairiel: if the bad habits were learned because of level 30 skills that become useless before level 45, i think it might |
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| 13:08.14 | vithos | but that's stretching my example quite a bit |
| 13:08.33 | Chompers | been to outlands yet ckk? |
| 13:08.33 | nevcairiel | vithos: if they're not smart enough to try the new spells as they get them, no one can help them |
| 13:08.50 | ckknight | then you'd be able to make a lvl 52 off the bat |
| 13:08.52 | ckknight | you'd've already learned the major aspects of the game, leveling to 70 |
| 13:08.54 | ckknight | Chompers: yea, it's fun |
| 13:08.56 | ckknight | but you wouldn't have to deal with leveling 51 pointless levels |
| 13:09.38 | Ellipsis` | those 51 pointless levels teach you a lot about your class |
| 13:09.38 | ag` | http://tolppa.apina.biz/3346.jpg |
| 13:09.39 | Wobin | I use aimed shot |
| 13:09.45 | [SW]Dodge | !points 1400 |
| 13:09.45 | Wobin | ms debuff is tasty |
| 13:09.46 | Xinhuan | 1400 arena points require 2414(5s), INF(3s) and INF(2s) team rating. |
| 13:09.52 | [SW]Dodge | mhm |
| 13:09.52 | nevcairiel | ckknight: you might think that, but no. If you played a healer for all your WoW-Life, and you get a 52 Damage Dealer, you're lost with it. you have like all major spells already, and no real way to test and learn them properly |
| 13:09.54 | [SW]Dodge | no way xD |
| 13:10.01 | ckknight | so if you realize that say, your lvl 70 huntard is retarded and you'd rather be a priest, you could go for it and have a good shot of reaching lvl 70 without spending 2 months on it |
| 13:10.16 | JunkHead-Work | My first 70 was a Holy Paladin. |
| 13:10.23 | JunkHead-Work | I lvl'ed 1-70 Holy. |
| 13:10.27 | ckknight | nevcairiel: maybe if there were some rigorous training program |
| 13:10.32 | JunkHead-Work | My second was a mage. |
| 13:10.39 | Ellipsis` | there is, it's called LEVELING |
| 13:10.44 | JunkHead-Work | 1-40 or so as frost, the switched to deep arcane. |
| 13:11.07 | Chompers | our guilds new mage asked how he should gem his new peice of T5, fail |
| 13:11.08 | nevcairiel | As mentioned some lines above, the 2.3 leveling changes really DO help, you level pretty fast now, its amazing |
| 13:11.10 | Chompers | he didn't have a clue |
| 13:11.14 | JunkHead-Work | My third was a Warrior, 1-30 Arms, then the rest was Prot Spec. |
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| 13:11.23 | Wobin | nevcairiel: agreed |
| 13:11.28 | Ellipsis` | oh no, sag_ich_nicht is here |
| 13:11.31 | Wobin | 60-70 is sooo sloooow |
| 13:11.32 | Ellipsis` | stop the conversation guys |
| 13:11.44 | ckknight | Ellipsis`: normal people don't spend all day playing WoW, so it'd take at least a few months to get to where you were previously |
| 13:11.46 | nevcairiel | Wobin: but still acceptable, 60-70 is pretty fun |
| 13:11.55 | Chompers | hehe, normal people |
| 13:11.55 | vithos | you know what i'd love? instead of being able to level by doing it wrong for long enough, make each level be some kind of specifically designed test you have to pass |
| 13:11.58 | xyu | slow? |
| 13:12.01 | xyu | this game is so easy to lvl |
| 13:12.02 | vithos | like the class quests |
| 13:12.09 | Ellipsis` | normal people shouldn't have 10 level 70 characters within a week after hitting 70 on their first, either |
| 13:12.15 | JunkHead-Work | Yes this game is easy to lvl in. |
| 13:12.22 | Wobin | vithos: hehe |
| 13:12.25 | xyu | try lineage II :D |
| 13:12.31 | Wobin | I can see Blizzard dropping to maybe 1 million subscribers |
| 13:12.37 | vithos | lol, true. |
| 13:12.48 | vithos | what if they left both ways of leveling in |
| 13:12.57 | Ellipsis` | IQ tests in MMOs fail for just that reason |
| 13:13.00 | vithos | so those of us who are capable of learning don't have to go through the grind |
| 13:13.02 | Chompers | ckk, i hope you get to experience a big raid. paladin healing is amazing |
| 13:13.07 | Ellipsis` | stupid people pay for our servers |
| 13:13.10 | ckknight | Chompers: I agree |
| 13:13.19 | Chompers | i did al'ar on my paladin last night, so much god damn fun |
| 13:13.19 | ckknight | then I'd get frustrated |
| 13:13.22 | ckknight | and want to make raid mods |
| 13:13.27 | Chompers | exactly |
| 13:13.29 | Ellipsis` | that's a good thing |
| 13:13.30 | Ellipsis` | :D |
| 13:13.31 | nevcairiel | our pallys cry that healing is so boring, only 2 buttons to push |
| 13:13.31 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:13.39 | JunkHead-Work | They're right. |
| 13:13.41 | Wobin | folspam |
| 13:13.53 | Ellipsis` | probably just end up writing tetris or something |
| 13:13.56 | xyu | i dont know i think they could be pushing more. |
| 13:13.57 | JunkHead-Work | fol,fol,fol,folohshitholylight,fol,fol |
| 13:14.00 | xyu | with downranks |
| 13:14.15 | nevcairiel | meh they dont run oom with max ranks, why downrank |
| 13:14.15 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:14.21 | Chompers | you've got positioning too |
| 13:14.24 | xyu | see your "ohshitholylight" failed because they didn't have lights grace up |
| 13:14.25 | Ellipsis` | for the lulz! |
| 13:14.28 | xyu | because they were using FoL |
| 13:14.29 | Chompers | its not just stand still and press fol |
| 13:14.32 | xyu | instead of Holy light rank 4 |
| 13:14.33 | Wobin | Chompers: That's mousemovement |
| 13:14.51 | Wobin | unless they're keyboard turners |
| 13:14.51 | nevcairiel | entry level raiding is pretty much just stand there and press |
| 13:15.00 | Chompers | ah yeah, thats true nev |
| 13:15.05 | CIA-9 | 03ackis * r59668 10AckisRecipeList/ (Locals/ARLLocals-deDE.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Engineer.lua): |
| 13:15.05 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 13:15.05 | CIA-9 | - Updated engineering recipes |
| 13:15.05 | CIA-9 | - deDE cooking update |
| 13:15.11 | sag_ich_nicht | [14:11] <Ellipsis`> oh no, sag_ich_nicht is here <--and by no you mean yes |
| 13:15.28 | Wobin | and by yes she means no |
| 13:15.40 | JunkHead-Work | Well, I can say that Paladin healing is quite boring. |
| 13:15.49 | sag_ich_nicht | no shit sherlock? |
| 13:15.50 | JunkHead-Work | Being a mage isn't a whole lot better. |
| 13:15.52 | Wobin | well all healing is boring |
| 13:15.58 | sag_ich_nicht | no it's not |
| 13:16.00 | nevcairiel | I actually like my druid healing |
| 13:16.04 | JunkHead-Work | Tanking is fun so far. |
| 13:16.07 | nevcairiel | you can do so much stuff |
| 13:16.13 | sag_ich_nicht | all other closses have more heal options than paladin |
| 13:16.16 | Wobin | most raid dps is button rotation plus movement |
| 13:16.18 | sag_ich_nicht | paladin is just boring FoL spam :( |
| 13:16.28 | nevcairiel | I probably could never play DPS |
| 13:16.31 | Ellipsis` | sag_ich_nicht: yes, I mean yes...yes, yes, yes |
| 13:16.44 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 13:16.50 | sag_ich_nicht | 9/10 |
| 13:17.00 | nevcairiel | My Main is a resto druid, and my alt is a prot warrior .. oh well and i have that warlock for giggles and farming motes, but thats it :P |
| 13:17.01 | Ellipsis` | <3 |
| 13:17.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobin: no shit sherlock? most living is routine + distraction + sleep, zomfg! |
| 13:17.18 | nevcairiel | but doing instances is boring as dps |
| 13:17.25 | sag_ich_nicht | no it's not |
| 13:17.27 | xyu | i like it |
| 13:17.31 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 13:17.34 | Wobin | not if you're not overgeared for the instance |
| 13:17.46 | sag_ich_nicht | being overgeared sucks as ret |
| 13:17.57 | sag_ich_nicht | especially if the rest of your group is overgeared too |
| 13:18.02 | Wobin | well being overgeared sucks as a warrior tank too |
| 13:18.11 | xyu | as any tank |
| 13:18.14 | Wobin | since you have little rage generation |
| 13:18.19 | Wobin | due to mitigation |
| 13:18.23 | xyu | have to have so many sets of gear |
| 13:18.25 | Ellipsis` | I like being overgeared, I get to one-button-spam like a mage |
| 13:18.25 | sag_ich_nicht | no you just remove your breatplate or similar |
| 13:18.28 | sag_ich_nicht | :> |
| 13:18.31 | Ellipsis` | of course, that button is SoC which is WAY more fun |
| 13:18.34 | Wobin | NEKKID TANKING |
| 13:18.50 | xyu | i have a 5 man set, trash set, boss set, spell dmg set |
| 13:18.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis`: or you just spec 0/21/40 and spam SB in any situation |
| 13:19.07 | Chompers | fire set, nature set, frost set |
| 13:19.08 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't even need to use dots, you'll still be first in raid dps! |
| 13:19.11 | Chompers | shadow set |
| 13:19.14 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 13:19.19 | Ellipsis` | sag_ich_nicht: shush, I'm not quite *that* geared yet |
| 13:19.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis` :P |
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| 13:19.35 | vithos | need rage? just sit down! |
| 13:19.40 | nevcairiel | while we're at that topic, i got 5/5 T6 the other day \o/ |
| 13:19.41 | sag_ich_nicht | lol, fact |
| 13:19.42 | Ellipsis` | haha, spam sit |
| 13:19.49 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:19.51 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel grats |
| 13:20.00 | vithos | grats, what class? |
| 13:20.03 | nevcairiel | druid |
| 13:20.06 | sag_ich_nicht | now that you have nothing to do in the game anymore until 2.4 hits |
| 13:20.11 | sag_ich_nicht | how about you go and you know |
| 13:20.13 | sag_ich_nicht | write BT4 |
| 13:20.18 | JunkHead-Work | I got the Sun Eater on my warrior the other day |
| 13:20.21 | nevcairiel | need to learn for my exams |
| 13:20.24 | JunkHead-Work | That made my day. |
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| 13:20.33 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel that's a very weak excuse |
| 13:20.37 | vithos | i'm only at 2/5 still :( i never bid full on anything |
| 13:20.40 | Wobin | I got Suneater on my rogue |
| 13:20.55 | nevcairiel | i got that mace from the lurker yesterday for my warri |
| 13:20.59 | sag_ich_nicht | i have sun eater on my ret paladin. lol nobody needed it |
| 13:21.05 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah we got a rogue in my guild with a +def set.:P |
| 13:21.21 | sag_ich_nicht | it's so useless |
| 13:21.25 | Ellipsis` | o.O |
| 13:21.26 | sag_ich_nicht | but i wanna put mung on it |
| 13:21.39 | sag_ich_nicht | *mongosaosdjsald i can't spell that word |
| 13:21.43 | Wobin | goose |
| 13:22.47 | Ellipsis` | ha, the joke's on them, I'm sick |
| 13:22.51 | Ellipsis` | now they're all germy |
| 13:23.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis` joke's on you, i just had some fresh garlic |
| 13:23.41 | Ellipsis` | joke's on you, I can't smell a damn thing |
| 13:23.47 | sag_ich_nicht | fail |
| 13:23.50 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 13:23.51 | Ellipsis` | :D |
| 13:24.22 | Fisker- | i can blow you up sag_ich_nicht |
| 13:24.32 | ckknight | what's a fun SNES game that's two player? |
| 13:24.39 | Fisker- | gears of war |
| 13:24.40 | Wobin | Contra |
| 13:24.48 | Wobin | oh snes |
| 13:24.52 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: Seiken Densetsu III |
| 13:24.54 | vithos | Contra III! |
| 13:25.00 | Wobin | yeah, that'll do it =) |
| 13:25.00 | sag_ich_nicht | aka Secret of Mana 2 |
| 13:25.05 | Fisker- | Giana Sisters |
| 13:25.16 | Wobin | 'remember up up down down left right left right b a select start |
| 13:25.53 | Ellipsis` | um, ok |
| 13:26.00 | Ellipsis` | you know we're in a hotel right now, right? |
| 13:26.14 | fatbrain | When enumerating my jc-tradeskills, is there anyway I can get information about the crated item? like the text that say "+8 healing"? |
| 13:26.17 | Wobin | well your house will soon be full of gas =P |
| 13:26.38 | Ellipsis` | meh, ck will save me |
| 13:26.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis`: no, i don't |
| 13:26.47 | sag_ich_nicht | why are you in a hotel |
| 13:26.58 | Wobin | bow chika bow wow |
| 13:27.17 | sag_ich_nicht | this question asked with EMPHASIS for various reasons that will not be detailed |
| 13:27.30 | Wobin | (waka chika waka chika...) |
| 13:27.42 | Ellipsis` | sag_ich_nicht: because ck and I don't have a home :( |
| 13:27.49 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah right |
| 13:27.51 | Wobin | You've run away to the circus? |
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| 13:28.07 | sag_ich_nicht | wait. what. |
| 13:28.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis` what happened |
| 13:28.22 | Ellipsis` | your mom |
| 13:28.32 | Drew | Is there any way to completley remove an addon from the svn? |
| 13:28.38 | Wobin | Drew: no. |
| 13:29.42 | [SW]Dodge | !points 300 |
| 13:29.43 | Xinhuan | 300 arena points require 1300(5s), 1486(3s) and 1545(2s) team rating. |
| 13:31.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Drew: uh... burn down the datacenter to the ground? |
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| 13:38.07 | vithos | armory sure does know how to destroy my web browser :( |
| 13:38.42 | tig | vithos: firefox? |
| 13:38.46 | vithos | yep |
| 13:39.06 | tig | same problem here ;) |
| 13:40.38 | vithos | the weird thing is it's using no cpu time while it's locked up |
| 13:42.40 | vithos | item tooltips don't work in konq |
| 13:43.54 | nevcairiel | use FF-3.0 |
| 13:43.58 | HIghoS | That's the only problem i've ever had with armory |
| 13:44.11 | HIghoS | FF 3 beta 2 tooltips don't work |
| 13:44.17 | HIghoS | IE7 works, but I get JS errors |
| 13:44.28 | HIghoS | So not surprised konq has problems. |
| 13:44.29 | vithos | i was using FF-3.0 for a while, but i don't remember what made me kill it |
| 13:44.44 | vithos | opera doesn't work either, no tooltips |
| 13:44.45 | HIghoS | Honestly it's the only problem i've ran into using FF3b2 is with armory tooltips and nothing else. |
| 13:44.54 | HIghoS | I blame bliz not using proper JS. |
| 13:45.02 | HIghoS | Given there are error reports even in IE7, so meh |
| 13:45.08 | nevcairiel | you can fix FF3 to work with tooltips |
| 13:45.19 | HIghoS | how so? |
| 13:45.20 | Ozguli | Blizz uses horribly bad JS |
| 13:45.34 | nevcairiel | navigate to about:config in FF3 |
| 13:45.53 | nevcairiel | and change general.useragent.extra.firefox to "Firefox/2.0.0.8" |
| 13:46.01 | vithos | LOL |
| 13:46.02 | HIghoS | lmao |
| 13:46.08 | HIghoS | Are you fucking serious? |
| 13:46.10 | vithos | blizzard -> shitheap |
| 13:46.11 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 13:46.16 | HIghoS | No thanks |
| 13:46.36 | nevcairiel | works fine for me |
| 13:46.40 | Ozguli | -14:08:08- (@Windcape) com.blizzard.util.spring.xsl.controller.UrlController.setEtag(UrlController.java:166) |
| 13:46.40 | Ozguli | -14:08:12- (@Windcape) hahahahhahahahahahahahaha |
| 13:46.40 | Ozguli | -14:08:16- (@Windcape) they use spring :D |
| 13:46.52 | HIghoS | This def ranks up there with Really Stupid Things(tm) bliz has done in the past, IMO.. lol |
| 13:47.01 | HIghoS | I'm not saying it won't work, I don't doubt that at all. |
| 13:47.17 | HIghoS | I just find it hilarious that you have to change the useragent for a tiny piece of JS to work. |
| 13:47.40 | nevcairiel | not sure why it does that |
| 13:47.42 | vithos | i can't even get the page to load at all in IE7, but maybe i firewalled IE, i don't remember |
| 13:47.45 | nevcairiel | might be a bug in FF3 too |
| 13:48.29 | HIghoS | I don't have konq installed on this ubuntu install, i'm almost tempted to download it to find out now. |
| 13:48.58 | vithos | that was Konq3 i just tried |
| 13:49.05 | HIghoS | I know. |
| 13:49.09 | vithos | i'll load up my KDE4 livecd and try Konq4 |
| 13:49.18 | vithos | OMG the page loaded in IE |
| 13:49.21 | vithos | it only took 5 minutes? |
| 13:49.54 | nevcairiel | Hm, so this guy has +10 Stamina on his gloves, i dont know which enchant does that .. *shrug* anyone know ? :P |
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| 13:50.20 | Ellipsis | an armor kit of some sort? |
| 13:50.35 | vithos | oh wow, the tooltips loaded in opera now too |
| 13:50.35 | nevcairiel | armor kits add 8 stamina afaik |
| 13:51.19 | CrazyBenny| | nevcariel: theres new one with +10 stamina |
| 13:51.31 | nevcairiel | really? where? |
| 13:51.45 | vithos | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34330 |
| 13:51.47 | vithos | there |
| 13:51.58 | nevcairiel | oh trainer |
| 13:52.05 | nevcairiel | useful |
| 13:52.29 | vithos | oh hay, firefox isn't locked up anymore either. |
| 13:53.06 | vithos | what i don't understand is how firefox being locked up on armory is related to tooltips not working in other browsers, even in virtual machines |
| 13:53.28 | Ellipsis | it's all just bad JS |
| 13:53.59 | CrazyBenny| | hm...I dont have any problems with opera at all |
| 13:53.59 | vithos | but how could JS in firefox affect Konq in vmware? |
| 13:54.05 | vithos | it's more than just the JS, it's their serverside stuff |
| 13:54.29 | vithos | yeah, opera works now for me |
| 13:54.35 | Ellipsis | they're serving different JS for different user agents, obviously |
| 13:54.50 | Ellipsis | that's why the FF3 user agent string hack works |
| 13:55.11 | Zhinjio | G'morning. |
| 13:55.20 | Ellipsis | mornin Zhinjio |
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| 13:55.51 | sag_ich_nicht | [14:54] <Ellipsis> that's why the FF3 user agent string hack works <--what? giev |
| 13:55.57 | vithos | let me say it again. while firefox was locked up and not responding, opera couldn't load item tooltips. once firefox wasn't locked up, opera's tooltips were displaying, without me reloading the page or changing the user agent |
| 13:56.08 | Ellipsis | [5:45:15 am] <nevcairiel> navigate to about:config in FF3 |
| 13:56.08 | Ellipsis | [5:45:36 am] <nevcairiel> and change general.useragent.extra.firefox to "Firefox/2.0.0.8" |
| 13:56.36 | sag_ich_nicht | lql |
| 13:56.46 | sag_ich_nicht | that's cheap |
| 13:57.58 | sag_ich_nicht | shouldn't that be 2.0.0.11 tho? |
| 13:58.10 | Ellipsis | probably doesn't matter |
| 13:58.37 | sag_ich_nicht | principles! |
| 13:59.17 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 13:59.30 | sag_ich_nicht | how fast/slow is the API for playing sounds in WoW? |
| 13:59.35 | cladhaire | what do you mean? |
| 13:59.37 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 13:59.41 | Ellipsis | why? |
| 13:59.43 | cladhaire | you play a sound, it plays |
| 13:59.55 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: i don think that trick will work =P |
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| 14:00.05 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel got what i mean |
| 14:00.10 | vithos | lol, now IE7 is locked up |
| 14:00.15 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i already have the virtual hardware adapters for it |
| 14:01.14 | Ellipsis | I do not like the sound of this |
| 14:01.25 | vithos | if you're talking about what i think you're talking about, there's always pixels |
| 14:01.38 | Ellipsis | pixels are way more precise anyway |
| 14:01.40 | Fisker- | vil du have pølse nevcairiel? |
| 14:01.54 | sag_ich_nicht | it'd just need an app to capture them, and soundfiles... you'd encode in hex instead of binary because it's more ffective, but you'd need split second sounds and a filter in the audiopipeline so you don't hear annoyng noises all the time (or put it out of the hearable frequency range) |
| 14:02.20 | nevcairiel | can anyone translate that crazy talk of Fisker-? or rather, i'll just ignore him |
| 14:02.20 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: yes but printscreen kills the fps |
| 14:02.31 | Ellipsis | why would you printscreen |
| 14:02.44 | sag_ich_nicht | oh you mean |
| 14:02.47 | Fisker- | oh u nevcairiel :( |
| 14:02.47 | sag_ich_nicht | a mirror driver? |
| 14:02.49 | sag_ich_nicht | clever |
| 14:02.57 | Fisker- | I asked you if you wanted a sausage :( |
| 14:03.00 | sag_ich_nicht | DFMirage is already installed |
| 14:03.15 | sag_ich_nicht | okay who's going to capture the video stream for the data? :> |
| 14:03.39 | Ellipsis | Fisker-: I do I do! |
| 14:04.24 | Fisker- | i eated it |
| 14:04.28 | Ellipsis | =[ |
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| 14:05.18 | sag_ich_nicht | also "vil du have"? god damn it your grammar is fucked up fishbot2 |
| 14:05.23 | sag_ich_nicht | *Fisker- |
| 14:05.42 | Ellipsis | no it isn't |
| 14:05.49 | Ellipsis | he's just speaking Fisker-ese |
| 14:06.04 | sag_ich_nicht | shut up you don't even know the language i do, i'm not reffering to him doin it rong |
| 14:06.11 | Ellipsis | I don't know which language? |
| 14:06.13 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm reffering to the language having weird grammar |
| 14:06.16 | sag_ich_nicht | dutch |
| 14:06.32 | Ellipsis | no, but I'm fluent in Fisker-ese |
| 14:06.42 | nevcairiel | i think Fisker- talks danish, not dutch |
| 14:06.43 | sag_ich_nicht | your MOM is fluent in Fisker-ese |
| 14:06.49 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 14:06.52 | sag_ich_nicht | you are correct |
| 14:06.53 | Ellipsis | she probably is |
| 14:06.54 | sag_ich_nicht | shame on me |
| 14:07.00 | Ellipsis | that would explain why he's so screwed up |
| 14:07.03 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 14:07.31 | sag_ich_nicht | i just insulted your mom, fisker, his language and made a your mom joke |
| 14:07.44 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it i'm good |
| 14:07.47 | Ellipsis | obvious troll is obvious? |
| 14:07.58 | sag_ich_nicht | no shit |
| 14:08.09 | Ellipsis | and that's why I love you |
| 14:08.10 | sag_ich_nicht | want a reward for that finding sherlock? |
| 14:08.18 | Ellipsis | yes please |
| 14:08.24 | Ellipsis | cookies preferred |
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| 14:10.13 | sag_ich_nicht | sorry i atedied[sic] all of the cookies, but you can have a hot dicking instead |
| 14:10.31 | Ellipsis | ok! |
| 14:10.48 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 14:10.53 | sag_ich_nicht | you DID watch dr. tran |
| 14:10.54 | sag_ich_nicht | right? |
| 14:10.59 | ckknight | but I'm tired |
| 14:11.01 | ckknight | I can only handle so much |
| 14:11.04 | ckknight | Dr. Tran! |
| 14:11.19 | ckknight | Hot Dickings! |
| 14:11.41 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight that's why i offered it, you know, helping a friend in need! |
| 14:11.47 | Ellipsis | lulz |
| 14:12.09 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: close that one JIRA ticket btw. as invalid, thre |
| 14:12.17 | Ellipsis | link? |
| 14:12.20 | ckknight | ? |
| 14:12.30 | sag_ich_nicht | about tooltip placement in cowtip |
| 14:12.44 | Ellipsis | meh, I'll find it |
| 14:12.45 | ckknight | Ellipsis acts as my secretary, handles the JIRA stuff for me |
| 14:12.51 | sag_ich_nicht | *the other one... well you need a better GUI for setting the anchoring offset |
| 14:12.55 | sag_ich_nicht | because atm it's horrible. |
| 14:13.19 | Fisker- | hai? |
| 14:13.29 | Ellipsis | you mean your "adjust frame being weird" one? |
| 14:13.32 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm probably one of like 10 users who understood how it worked |
| 14:13.53 | Fisker- | http://i27.tinypic.com/2iw3iat.jpg <-i wonder what that does for threat :D |
| 14:14.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: open rock config, go to cowtip, set the anchor point to parent frame for the normal tooltips(not the target tooltips)... now use the adjust offset feature |
| 14:14.15 | sag_ich_nicht | it works |
| 14:14.18 | sag_ich_nicht | but the GUI for it is HORRIBLE |
| 14:14.24 | sag_ich_nicht | i only noticed that afterwards |
| 14:14.49 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: which ticket am I closing then |
| 14:14.51 | sag_ich_nicht | i thought it was weirdly breaking first thus the wording of the issue, but actually works fine, but it's a horrible way |
| 14:14.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: the other one |
| 14:15.03 | Ellipsis | expanding inward? |
| 14:15.06 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 14:15.09 | Ellipsis | ok |
| 14:15.15 | sag_ich_nicht | close that one as invalid or something |
| 14:15.23 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 14:16.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll make a new issue about changing the default offset if you anchor to parent frame tho, the current default offset makes it appear buggy while it's not |
| 14:16.27 | sag_ich_nicht | (i'll do that when i get home, IF i remember it) |
| 14:16.34 | Ellipsis | k |
| 14:17.08 | Fisker- | http://i27.tinypic.com/2iw3iat.jpg <-DO IT |
| 14:17.09 | Fisker- | fgts |
| 14:17.31 | Ellipsis | I don't get it Fisker- |
| 14:17.52 | Fisker- | i wonder what it does for threat :o |
| 14:17.56 | Fisker- | if i'm healing for -19 |
| 14:19.04 | sag_ich_nicht | bbl |
| 14:19.23 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: is that dampen magic? |
| 14:19.24 | nevcairiel | that happens sometimes, its a bug in the addon |
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| 14:19.45 | Fisker- | yeah Arrowmaster |
| 14:19.52 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 14:19.56 | Fisker- | nevcairiel dampen magic makes low healing spells go negative |
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| 14:20.11 | Arrowmaster | so your hurting him instead of healing him? |
| 14:20.15 | Fisker- | nope :( |
| 14:20.22 | nevcairiel | a combatlog screenshot would've really made more sense |
| 14:20.24 | Fisker- | i was hoping for that though |
| 14:20.58 | Fisker- | stop QQ |
| 14:21.06 | Fisker- | http://i29.tinypic.com/2f0fuqb.jpg |
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| 14:28.19 | Killmore | Fisker-: how can you heal for -10 ? wtf ! :P |
| 14:29.10 | Killmore | I want to heal to death some friends ;P |
| 14:29.36 | Fisker- | dampen magic |
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| 14:29.40 | Fisker- | and you don't take damage |
| 14:30.07 | kadrahil | Fisker- takes damage. |
| 14:30.19 | kadrahil | freakin can't get on irc from campus |
| 14:30.27 | kadrahil | so i had to remember a linux shell account i used years ago |
| 14:34.34 | Ozguli | do they actually take dmg? |
| 14:34.46 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 14:34.58 | Ozguli | oh how stupid |
| 14:35.44 | kenlyric | can it work on damage spells too? |
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| 14:35.58 | kenlyric | very small damage spells? |
| 14:36.18 | Ozguli | what spell causes that small amount of dmg? |
| 14:36.28 | Ellipsis` | rank 1 imp firebolt imo |
| 14:36.34 | nevcairiel | rank 1 of anything |
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| 14:36.40 | Ozguli | k |
| 14:36.44 | nevcairiel | if you take of your spell dmg |
| 14:36.53 | nevcairiel | *off |
| 14:37.05 | Ozguli | of course, I just couldn't remember the lowbie dmg |
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| 14:39.26 | Pkekyo| | g'morning all |
| 14:39.37 | EvilJohn | morning |
| 14:39.41 | Ozguli | morning |
| 14:39.46 | deltron | hullo |
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| 14:44.51 | sag_ich_nicht | oh for fucks sake |
| 14:44.55 | sag_ich_nicht | stupid fucking ISP |
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| 15:10.21 | kneeki | *wave* |
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| 15:17.00 | kneeki | In the following picture (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1407/32202440cd6.jpg) is a screenshot of one of my mods, with the frame stack showing, you see 5 table's above my button, I have no idea what they are, or how they were created. This only occurs after I play for a bit. My addon is using PLAYER_ENTER_WORLD to create the buttons. Any ideas? |
| 15:17.49 | kneeki | Maybe using OnEnable() would be a better choice to create my buttons when the mod is loaded perhaps? -_- |
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| 15:19.05 | nevcairiel | P_E_W is being fired when zoneing too, so its not the best event to do work on |
| 15:19.17 | nevcairiel | i recommend PLAYER_LOGIN (which basicly is OnEnable, so use that) |
| 15:19.56 | kneeki | Okay, I'll give that a shot, thanks nev :) |
| 15:20.32 | kneeki | I noticed a huge FPS decrease after playing a few arenas last night while using two of these types of mods on my warlock -_- |
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| 15:21.12 | kneeki | Any ideas what the 'table: .....' information is in the screenshot? The buttons being created & being stacked on each other over and over? |
| 15:21.49 | nevcairiel | yeah probably |
| 15:22.04 | kneeki | Thought so |
| 15:22.06 | kneeki | =( |
| 15:24.14 | Lukian | goodbye to 3 rows of actionbars on your left :p |
| 15:24.19 | kneeki | rawr |
| 15:24.21 | kneeki | lol |
| 15:24.29 | Lukian | right* |
| 15:24.59 | Lukian | OH is that a blessings addon? |
| 15:25.03 | kneeki | I don't mind the 3 rows really, I just wanted space for things I would like to put there, like macros or whatever else. Having all my abilitys out at all times is a habbit I got from my Warlock - which is why I created this mod :) |
| 15:25.09 | Lukian | interesting way to do it |
| 15:25.11 | kneeki | It's a Blessings + Seals addon |
| 15:25.35 | kneeki | Seals at the bottom, blessings are on the right - they will change depending on if you are of level/have trained the spell |
| 15:26.07 | Lukian | what's in the middle? |
| 15:26.10 | kneeki | Well, two seperate addons |
| 15:26.20 | Lukian | I just use a macro with /use 13 and /use 14 for trinkets :p |
| 15:26.21 | kneeki | That's just item rack |
| 15:26.29 | kneeki | lol! |
| 15:26.34 | kneeki | I already do :) |
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| 15:27.00 | kneeki | Look at lower left, 1, 2, 3, 5, shift-1 (and shift-4 when I am specked prot) are all macros w/ trinkets =P |
| 15:27.00 | Lukian | why have unnecessary addons then? :o |
| 15:27.42 | kneeki | Well, I still had my blessings in my bars when I took that screenshot. I do not have them any more so I now have lots of free space |
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| 15:28.34 | kneeki | When the servers come back up, I'll take another SS if you're interested - so you can see what it's supposed to look like :) |
| 15:29.11 | kneeki | I'm a fan of the default WoW UI, and I chose my code to add to it, instead of making stand alone addons. =) |
| 15:29.35 | Lukian | yeah that'd be good |
| 15:29.50 | Lukian | I'm impressed by how much the seal addon cleans up the main actionbar |
| 15:30.00 | Lukian | can you keybind using it? |
| 15:30.12 | kneeki | Not yet, but you will soon. I still need to code that in |
| 15:30.19 | kneeki | Well, if that's still possible |
| 15:30.41 | kneeki | I hope it is, or I'd be a sad panda :( |
| 15:30.57 | Lukian | Should be, I could just do it using click2cast |
| 15:31.05 | Lukian | but I'd still like to see my seals |
| 15:31.12 | kneeki | Me also :) |
| 15:31.26 | kneeki | Is there a keybinding lib you think? |
| 15:31.30 | Lukian | I was also thinking of writing a macro, so I don't accidental cast the same seal twice |
| 15:31.38 | kneeki | Or, hmm.... I guess you don't need a lib |
| 15:31.56 | kneeki | I'm not sure that's possible anymore Lukian |
| 15:32.14 | kneeki | Making decisiosn in macros that is |
| 15:32.24 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.31 | Lukian | that would work, but it's messy |
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| 15:32.35 | kneeki | Ah, well - that'd work =P |
| 15:32.52 | Lukian | because I'd also like it to reset if I judge |
| 15:33.15 | kneeki | Aye |
| 15:33.42 | Lukian | no gcd on judgement is very nice, maybe I should just macro all my seals |
| 15:33.43 | SunTsu | Lukian: just do reset=target/8 and if you want to reset you just have to retarget after clearing target |
| 15:36.05 | Lukian | mm not of fan of target use |
| 15:36.19 | Lukian | becomes a little annoying while tanking in some cases |
| 15:37.49 | SunTsu | Lukian: you could make that part of the macro, so it clears and retargets if you use a certain modifier. You wouln'd even notice it happen |
| 15:40.16 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 15:40.43 | kneeki | It's tough modding w/o servers up =\ |
| 15:41.08 | Lukian | drycode ftw :D |
| 15:41.15 | kneeki | lol aye |
| 15:41.32 | kneeki | Gonna log in and get string after string of typo errors -_- |
| 15:41.40 | vithos | reset times on castsequences start over even if the cast fails |
| 15:41.48 | kneeki | Amazing how many different variables of 'RegisterEvent' I can come up with |
| 15:42.21 | vithos | so you can't really use them for cooldown times |
| 15:42.33 | Lukian | vithos, I'm aware |
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| 15:43.53 | Lukian | I'll probably end up with a macro like /castsequence Judgement, SoR /cast SoR |
| 15:44.04 | Lukian | which will spam up the uierrorsframe nicely :D |
| 15:44.10 | kneeki | Hah, how's this look for bindings? http://www.wowi.pastey.net/81424 |
| 15:44.11 | kneeki | -_- |
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| 15:44.28 | kneeki | I'm unsure if I can use Click() like that though in combat |
| 15:44.33 | kneeki | I guess I'll find out when I login |
| 15:44.47 | ckknight | what do I do now? can't code what I want to until the servers come up |
| 15:45.01 | kneeki | lol, I'm in the same boat ckknight -_- |
| 15:45.04 | kneeki | drives me nuts |
| 15:45.08 | ckknight | yea |
| 15:45.11 | Lukian | ckknight, lies! get drycoding :D |
| 15:45.30 | harldephin | is there a free and simple svn program which doesn't need to be installed? |
| 15:45.48 | kneeki | Command prompt? |
| 15:45.51 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4266917792&postId=42665241756&sid=1#0 <-probably the stupidest thread i've ever seen |
| 15:45.59 | Laric | get a euro account :P |
| 15:46.03 | kneeki | Well, in 'nix anyway. Don't know if you can do it in windows |
| 15:46.26 | Lukian | in linux you can svn using your filemanager :p |
| 15:47.03 | EvilJohn | not in windows, you'll need to install something |
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| 15:47.20 | EvilJohn | be it cygwin or tortoise or whatever |
| 15:47.22 | harldephin | why's that? |
| 15:47.28 | Stanzilla | "pew pew laserweapons!!!111 v2.0 this little addon replaces all weapon sounds through star wars light saber sounds and the bow/gun sounds through laser weapon sounds." < LOL |
| 15:47.48 | ckknight_ | anyone willing to lend me ssh access to a stable box so that I can use irssi? |
| 15:48.07 | Lukian | Stanzilla, at last, a fix for gun sounds :D |
| 15:48.20 | EvilJohn | harldephin: becuase windows doesn't have an svn client built in? There are some standalone windows command line tools, but you still hvae to sintall them |
| 15:48.21 | harldephin | is there an actual need for a program to be installed? hm, anyway.. i need one that runs on win32 |
| 15:48.49 | EvilJohn | let me guess, you don't have admin on the box you're on? |
| 15:48.52 | harldephin | most of my programs are portable and thus don't need installing |
| 15:49.01 | ckknight | EvilJohn: I do, I just have a shitty connection |
| 15:49.03 | harldephin | i'm the only one using my machines |
| 15:49.12 | ckknight | keeps disconnecting every 3 minutes |
| 15:49.30 | EvilJohn | hm ck? I was talking to harldephin |
| 15:49.32 | EvilJohn | sorry |
| 15:49.34 | ckknight | oh, sorry |
| 15:49.41 | ckknight | :-P |
| 15:49.46 | EvilJohn | well |
| 15:49.48 | EvilJohn | try this |
| 15:49.49 | EvilJohn | https://www.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/Subversion%20Clients/CommandLineSVN.html |
| 15:50.03 | EvilJohn | install that to some box, and just grab the directory you need |
| 15:50.06 | EvilJohn | see if that's portable |
| 15:51.14 | EvilJohn | you could also try javasvn, and just put the jre on your portable media |
| 15:51.33 | EvilJohn | no installing needed |
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| 16:02.19 | kneeki | If I create local variables in the root of my LUA file, but not in my core.lua, say localization, can functions in other files see that local variable where as other addons cannot? |
| 16:02.19 | krka | kneeki: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 16:02.31 | kneeki | Blah |
| 16:02.38 | kneeki | Lua then |
| 16:03.15 | Arrowmaster | if the first line if your file is 'local X' |
| 16:03.24 | Arrowmaster | then only stuff in that file will be able to see X |
| 16:03.33 | kneeki | Dang! I thought so =\ |
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| 16:10.16 | Industrial | Does anyone here play Tabula Rasa? If you have a trial key - I'm interested in the game |
| 16:10.50 | Fisker- | does saying "It's a piece of shit" count as a trial key? |
| 16:11.06 | deltron | lol |
| 16:11.44 | Estil | oh wow super mario galaxy has neat music |
| 16:11.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah it sucks |
| 16:12.22 | Arrowmaster | i played the beta but it went downhill really fast once they changed the cloning system and the xp modifier for killing sprees |
| 16:12.28 | Twist- | So I have a pitbull question. Does anyone know if it's possible to get it to display debuffs in a solid color instead of a gradient? I'd like curses to poke me in the eye as effectively as the aggro indicator does. |
| 16:13.29 | Paradox | ./cast Cure Poison [target=Innervator] should work right? |
| 16:13.43 | Arrowmaster | if Innervator is in your party |
| 16:13.46 | Arrowmaster | or raid |
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| 16:13.52 | Fin | ye gods |
| 16:13.59 | Paradox | ok thanks |
| 16:14.02 | pb_ee1 | Yo |
| 16:14.04 | Fin | I had irssi scrolled up and I've completely missed the last day of IRC |
| 16:14.17 | Arrowmaster | and its /cast [target=Innervator] Cure Poison |
| 16:14.26 | Industrial | Fisker-: no it doesnt. |
| 16:15.18 | SunTsu | Fin: Always remember to look into the lower right corner whether there is a "-- more --" ;) |
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| 16:16.18 | Fin | SunTsu: my screen's too big! I always miss it :) |
| 16:16.24 | Fin | I need a LowDown for irssi :) |
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| 16:17.03 | SunTsu | Fin: Or some kind of looking glass in that corner |
| 16:17.19 | Bloodspirit | anyone here know anything about regular expressions in lua? |
| 16:17.29 | dylanm | Yes. |
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| 16:17.36 | dylanm | Patterns, rather. |
| 16:17.37 | Industrial | Bloodspirit: google fer lua patterns/just ask? |
| 16:17.47 | Ellipsis-- | whee |
| 16:17.56 | Ellipsis-- | my army of clones is coming along nicely |
| 16:17.56 | Industrial | Ellipsis--: ! |
| 16:18.03 | Industrial | hehe |
| 16:18.16 | Lukian | Ellipsis--, using ckk's interwebs? |
| 16:18.25 | Estil | lewl |
| 16:18.38 | Arrowmaster | ckks living with ellipsis now |
| 16:19.17 | Arrowmaster | and ever sense it seems ckks shitty net connection has followed him |
| 16:19.17 | Ellipsis-- | we're in a hotel, actually |
| 16:19.17 | Estil | everybody knows comcast is bad :( |
| 16:19.27 | Lukian | Ellipsis- is pacbell |
| 16:19.33 | Lukian | -- is comcast :p |
| 16:19.49 | Lukian | two negatives? :D |
| 16:19.51 | Estil | lol |
| 16:19.59 | Ellipsis-- | it's pronounced Ellipsis minus minus |
| 16:20.09 | dylanm | Postfix decrement?? |
| 16:20.15 | Estil | clearly |
| 16:20.34 | Ellipsis-- | it's because a little part of me dies inside every time ck breaks my internet |
| 16:21.17 | Lukian | what are bfs for if not breaking anything computer related? :) |
| 16:21.19 | Estil | I really want to have those asian internet access |
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| 16:21.43 | Antiar1 | http://www.funny.com/_fc/wm640/0/2/fn.CGSGG.jpg |
| 16:22.32 | Lukian | ah of course, licking sausage |
| 16:22.36 | Fisker- | Antiar1 |
| 16:22.41 | Fisker- | does omen handle negative heals? :D |
| 16:23.02 | Grum | you mean dmg? :p |
| 16:23.06 | Fisker- | no :< |
| 16:23.08 | Fisker- | it doesn't damage |
| 16:23.09 | Antiar1 | I. Err. I dunno. |
| 16:23.21 | Antiarc | If it parses out as a negative, I suspect it does. |
| 16:23.25 | Antiarc | How the hell did you get that? |
| 16:23.35 | Ellipsis-- | Fisker- has hax |
| 16:23.44 | Fisker- | dampen magic |
| 16:23.45 | Fisker- | http://i29.tinypic.com/2f0fuqb.jpg |
| 16:23.45 | Lukian | Is it intended behaviour for TPS to ever be a negative? |
| 16:23.56 | Antiarc | Yeah, it can be for a short period |
| 16:24.05 | Antiarc | ie, after a threat dump or whatnot |
| 16:24.06 | dylanm | Sure. |
| 16:24.11 | Lukian | tanks dps on nightbane today (at the start of a phase) was negative, yeah |
| 16:24.13 | dylanm | I would hope so at least. |
| 16:24.55 | Lukian | Fisker-, how did you pull that off? |
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| 16:25.18 | Fisker- | Dampen magic and a low rank heal |
| 16:25.26 | Estil | lol hax |
| 16:25.27 | Lukian | ahahah |
| 16:25.27 | Fisker- | even had to take off all my clothes |
| 16:25.34 | Fisker- | even irl |
| 16:25.35 | Estil | it actually means it does 0 healing though, isn't it? |
| 16:25.44 | Fisker- | i guess |
| 16:25.49 | Ellipsis-- | mmm, nekkid Fisker- |
| 16:25.51 | Estil | it'd be exceptionally abusable |
| 16:25.56 | Estil | if you could actually hurt people through healing |
| 16:25.57 | Estil | lol |
| 16:25.59 | Lukian | if it does zero, then you'd hope omen would parse it as 0 :) |
| 16:26.17 | Estil | get a mage friend, hunt for someone that annoys you like say, that UD rogue that keeps on wiping groups |
| 16:26.24 | Estil | get dampen magic on him and spam fol rank 1 till he dies |
| 16:26.42 | CIA-9 | 03jerry * r59669 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib-1.0: bugfix and pattern suggested by Lerkur |
| 16:26.47 | Ellipsis-- | moar hax in pvp |
| 16:27.05 | Lukian | hahah I love how pitbull? shows it as "+-10" |
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| 16:27.28 | Fisker- | the inbuilt combat thingy does that as well |
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| 16:30.38 | MoonWolf | ~tuesday |
| 16:30.39 | purl | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
| 16:30.48 | Arrowmaster | ~monday |
| 16:30.48 | purl | somebody said monday was when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 16:32.10 | Bloodspirit | is there a command to do a dump of a variabel? |
| 16:32.22 | dylanm | Get DevTools :p |
| 16:32.22 | Bloodspirit | so i can se what it contains! |
| 16:32.29 | dylanm | So you can do /dump |
| 16:32.42 | Bloodspirit | oki |
| 16:32.56 | dylanm | ~devtools |
| 16:32.57 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
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| 16:33.57 | Bloodspirit | but i need to finde out what a function spits out and not a wow api command! |
| 16:34.15 | dylanm | Be more explicit. |
| 16:34.51 | Bloodspirit | i have a string.match that i have a long regular expression in and i need to get the sections out in strings that i can use! |
| 16:35.22 | nevcairiel | use our lua bot to test that ;) |
| 16:35.30 | dylanm | Just run /dump on your match. It just prints things out nicely. |
| 16:35.39 | nevcairiel | lua> string.match("hello123world", "(%d)") |
| 16:35.39 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1, |
| 16:35.43 | nevcairiel | lua> string.match("hello123world", "(%d+)") |
| 16:35.43 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 123, |
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| 16:36.42 | Bloodspirit | lua> string.match("hello123world", "(%s+)(%d+)") |
| 16:36.43 | lua_bot | Bloodspirit: nil, |
| 16:36.47 | Bloodspirit | hmm |
| 16:37.02 | Arrowmaster | %s is space character |
| 16:37.15 | nevcairiel | why do people always mistake %s for something else |
| 16:37.17 | dylanm | Indeed. |
| 16:37.27 | Bloodspirit | lua> string.match("hello123world", "(Hello|hello)(%d+)") |
| 16:37.28 | lua_bot | Bloodspirit: nil, |
| 16:37.29 | nevcairiel | its like the most common mistake with lua pattersn :D |
| 16:37.34 | Bloodspirit | hmmm cant i do that? |
| 16:37.38 | dylanm | Because it's "the string character" when doing format()? |
| 16:37.39 | dylanm | No. |
| 16:37.39 | nevcairiel | oh, and i dont think there is or in lua patterns |
| 16:37.49 | Arrowmaster | because they confuse it with %s from string.format |
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| 16:38.13 | nevcairiel | lua> string.match("hello123world", "([Hh]ello)(%d+)") |
| 16:38.13 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: hello, 123, |
| 16:38.16 | dylanm | The pattern language is reallllly tiny and doesn't have a lot of the niceties of regex. |
| 16:38.16 | Arrowmaster | Bloodspirit: lua patterns dont do | |
| 16:38.17 | nevcairiel | you can do that, tho =P |
| 16:38.22 | Bloodspirit | arh |
| 16:38.36 | Bloodspirit | im more used to php :P |
| 16:38.38 | dylanm | But as cladhaire always explains, it's a lot faster and smaller too. |
| 16:38.52 | nevcairiel | php uses real regex |
| 16:38.57 | dylanm | You probably wanted %a. |
| 16:38.58 | nevcairiel | lua has itsn own syntax |
| 16:39.03 | nevcairiel | or %w |
| 16:39.04 | Bloodspirit | arh oki |
| 16:39.34 | Arrowmaster | you cant even really call it regex in lua because its nowhere close to real regex |
| 16:39.51 | nevcairiel | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 |
| 16:39.56 | nevcairiel | all pattern :) |
| 16:40.13 | cladhaire | indeed, the entire lua core is smaller than the smallest PCRE implementation |
| 16:40.20 | dylanm | There he is. |
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| 16:40.26 | cladhaire | lol |
| 16:40.28 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 16:40.56 | nevcairiel | i wrote a exam on copyright laws today, kinda weird questions they asked o.O |
| 16:41.34 | Bloodspirit | lua> string.match("hello123world", "([hello|world])(%d+)") |
| 16:41.35 | lua_bot | Bloodspirit: o, 123, |
| 16:41.46 | nevcairiel | [] is character classes |
| 16:41.51 | dylanm | Dear God no. |
| 16:41.52 | cladhaire | a.) you can't do alternation, as people said |
| 16:42.00 | Bloodspirit | crud |
| 16:42.14 | Arrowmaster | you cant do {} either |
| 16:42.18 | Arrowmaster | its so limiting |
| 16:42.28 | cladhaire | lua> string.match("hello123world", "(%a+).-(%a+)") |
| 16:42.28 | lua_bot | cladhaire: hello, world, |
| 16:42.28 | Bloodspirit | that i can see -.- |
| 16:42.30 | cladhaire | ys, and this is a good thing. |
| 16:42.57 | Arrowmaster | it would be a better thing if there was an official regex lib |
| 16:43.05 | cladhaire | there are tons |
| 16:43.12 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 16:43.12 | cladhaire | download them and use them, but they won't be in wow. |
| 16:43.14 | Arrowmaster | too many |
| 16:43.15 | cladhaire | and they don't need to be. |
| 16:43.18 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: why? |
| 16:43.22 | cladhaire | why does it matter how many there are |
| 16:43.25 | cladhaire | they all work |
| 16:43.30 | Arrowmaster | if there was an offical one we could get it in wow |
| 16:43.33 | cladhaire | or use PEGs instead of PCRE |
| 16:43.34 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: no, |
| 16:43.36 | cladhaire | you don't understand |
| 16:43.47 | cladhaire | a PCRE implementation is LARGER than the entire lua core. |
| 16:43.52 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 16:43.55 | cladhaire | no one in their right mind would include that embedded |
| 16:43.57 | cladhaire | it would be absurd |
| 16:43.59 | nevcairiel | You dont really need regex in WoW |
| 16:44.00 | cladhaire | and unnecessary |
| 16:44.02 | cladhaire | you don't need regexp |
| 16:44.07 | cladhaire | you just don't want to believe that P |
| 16:44.12 | nevcairiel | just design your pattern smarter |
| 16:44.16 | nevcairiel | or the strings to parse :P |
| 16:44.23 | cladhaire | I agree, regular expressions are nice, but if you need it in a WoW addon, you're doing something wrong. |
| 16:44.25 | cladhaire | somethign terribly wrong. |
| 16:44.32 | Arrowmaster | i have to design like 10+ patterns |
| 16:45.01 | cladhaire | or you're thinking about it the wrong way |
| 16:45.05 | cladhaire | both are equally likely |
| 16:45.13 | Bloodspirit | string.match("TestButton12","^(%a+)Button(%d*)") |
| 16:45.25 | Bloodspirit | lua> string.match("TestButton12","^(%a+)Button(%d*)") |
| 16:45.25 | lua_bot | Bloodspirit: Test, 12, |
| 16:45.30 | Bloodspirit | wee ^^ |
| 16:45.35 | Bloodspirit | thx for the help ppl :P |
| 16:45.52 | dylanm | It's going to be pretty wild when we don't need to regex out combat logs as much. |
| 16:45.58 | dylanm | Er, pattern out. |
| 16:45.59 | dylanm | Whatever. |
| 16:46.04 | dylanm | And I was being so careful! |
| 16:46.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:46.09 | nevcairiel | fail! |
| 16:47.16 | cladhaire | you can't do things in Lua the "Perl" way, or the "C" way, or the "Ruby" way.. but that's an extremely good thing. |
| 16:48.35 | sag_ich_nicht | yes you can |
| 16:48.49 | sag_ich_nicht | write a perl interpreter or a C interpreter or a Ruby interpreter in lua! |
| 16:48.50 | sag_ich_nicht | of course |
| 16:48.53 | sag_ich_nicht | it will be slow as fuck |
| 16:48.54 | cladhaire | i don't know how you have the time, with all the trolling you do |
| 16:48.54 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 16:48.56 | sag_ich_nicht | but it'll work! |
| 16:49.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno, lol |
| 16:49.14 | Elkano | write a lua interpreter in lua ;) |
| 16:49.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis-- |
| 16:49.23 | sag_ich_nicht | you wanted to sell me a botnet! |
| 16:49.24 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 16:49.50 | rubik | got a couple quick questions re: Solarian.. my casual guild just tried him/her for 1st time last night.. 1) will Solarian interrupt the arcane missles if taunted by the tank (didn't seem to) and 2) Solarian or priest adds won't follow a tank if the tank tries to pull them away from their beams to reposition? |
| 16:50.45 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 16:50.51 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 16:50.52 | rubik | to both, right |
| 16:50.57 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 16:51.00 | sag_ich_nicht | solarian has random aggro. |
| 16:51.01 | rubik | cool.. thought so but wanted to make sure.. ty |
| 16:51.09 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 16:51.13 | sag_ich_nicht | the priest's don't |
| 16:51.21 | sag_ich_nicht | but they won't move unless you kick their heal |
| 16:51.28 | sag_ich_nicht | (thus forcing them into melee) |
| 16:51.29 | rubik | yeah, i know the missles were random but read somewhere that taunting will make him come back to tank and i was tanking him and he didn't |
| 16:51.35 | sag_ich_nicht | BS |
| 16:51.40 | rubik | agreed |
| 16:51.43 | sag_ich_nicht | you do NOT tank solarian. |
| 16:52.02 | sag_ich_nicht | everyone that isn't in damage gear except for healers at solarian is doin it rong |
| 16:52.05 | Snago | DPS gear on and just go all out |
| 16:52.16 | rubik | hmm.. no tank on him at all? |
| 16:52.37 | [Liquidor] | Where is the "Tip of the Day" text stored? |
| 16:52.42 | Snago | About as much use as a tank on Aran |
| 16:52.44 | Ellipsis-- | o.O |
| 16:53.00 | nevcairiel | we had one tank on her, because she used to melee pretty hard, occaisonally. Not sure if that was changed with the "new" solarian, been a while since ive been there |
| 16:53.03 | Ellipsis-- | sag_ich_nicht: I'll sell your mom a botnet |
| 16:53.32 | rubik | he won't go crazy on the raid if no tank on, eh.. hmm |
| 16:53.33 | sag_ich_nicht | you just have the ferals switch into bear for phase 2 |
| 16:53.55 | nevcairiel | so that one guy in my guild named one of his alts "Dork" .. and he didnt know what it meant |
| 16:53.59 | nevcairiel | so i just told him |
| 16:54.11 | rubik | and if a priest tank gets wrath debuff, they just run the hell away, right? and melee stays on priest |
| 16:54.28 | sag_ich_nicht | i mean i guess your warriors could stay in tank gear if you don't have a paladin tank for the adds |
| 16:54.34 | sag_ich_nicht | and do challenging shout rotation |
| 16:54.39 | nevcairiel | we used to do that |
| 16:54.41 | rubik | yeah.. guild is lame-ish and no pally tank |
| 16:54.56 | sag_ich_nicht | well then gtfo TE |
| 16:55.02 | sag_ich_nicht | if you can't down al'ar gtfo |
| 16:55.06 | sag_ich_nicht | fucking lootreaver abusers |
| 16:55.07 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 16:55.09 | rubik | we had no problems with the adds.. everyone collapsed on a marked raid member and the adds just went to them and aoe had them down quick |
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| 16:55.31 | rubik | lol.. sorry.. yeah, we got people who got blown up by the wrath |
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| 16:56.05 | rubik | even though i yelled their name over vent, they had a skull on them AND BigWigs warned them |
| 16:56.12 | sag_ich_nicht | kick them from the raid. |
| 16:56.17 | rubik | i meant we had people who blew up 4-5 others |
| 16:56.23 | rubik | yeah, was about to |
| 16:57.14 | genetik | go to MC and work on geddon instead |
| 16:57.16 | genetik | heh |
| 16:57.28 | rubik | haha.. seriously. |
| 16:57.43 | sag_ich_nicht | tell them they can come back when they managed to down Geddon. |
| 16:57.44 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 16:57.45 | genetik | i threatened my raid with that once |
| 16:57.45 | genetik | heh |
| 16:57.54 | sag_ich_nicht | fucking idiots |
| 16:58.13 | sag_ich_nicht | our warriors and rogues are also all idiots |
| 16:58.16 | vithos | i've got a pro strat for solarian |
| 16:58.19 | sag_ich_nicht | "i didn't spress blade flurry" |
| 16:58.19 | vithos | you seperate into two groups |
| 16:58.26 | vithos | one group is the goods, the other group is the bads |
| 16:58.28 | sag_ich_nicht | "I didn't press sweeping strikes" |
| 16:58.35 | vithos | the bads kill each other because they're bad, but you still win |
| 16:58.43 | sag_ich_nicht | WELL THEN WHY THE FUCK DOES IT SAY THAT YOU DID SO IN THE COMBAT LOG AND WIPED THE RAID BY BREAKING SHEEP? |
| 16:58.59 | Ellipsis | because you touch yourself at night. |
| 16:58.59 | sag_ich_nicht | >_< |
| 16:59.02 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 16:59.05 | sag_ich_nicht | because they are retarded |
| 16:59.25 | sag_ich_nicht | WTB undocumented remote disconnect function in oRA2 |
| 16:59.37 | sag_ich_nicht | PST |
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| 17:00.11 | Ellipsis | WTB your mom |
| 17:00.12 | Ellipsis | PST |
| 17:00.16 | rubik | so, things i learned from you guys: 1) no tanking solarian (maybe, gotta see if he does heavy melee or not), 2) taunting solarian doesn't do shit to his casting of AM, 3) priests can be dragged away if forced to melee and 4) /gkick people who blow up others |
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| 17:00.37 | Ellipsis | 5) don't be stupid |
| 17:00.38 | HIghoS | There's no real tanking. I'm a prot warrior. |
| 17:00.53 | HIghoS | I put my pvp gear on so i'm uncrittable and just chain taunt and spam devastate/hs constantly, nothing more. |
| 17:01.04 | HIghoS | Even @ 20% when switches form, it's a joke to heal through. |
| 17:01.14 | HIghoS | They do meele on a tank. |
| 17:01.30 | HIghoS | but considering you chain taunt every 10 seconds, your ranged dps will generally out aggro any meele you have. (aka shadow priests, GO!) |
| 17:01.33 | HIghoS | so it's all good. |
| 17:01.34 | rubik | yeah, i was in my pvp gear in bear form and taunt spamming |
| 17:01.58 | rubik | maybe i'll try kitty form next time |
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| 17:02.38 | dylanm | All rogues should get a Shard of Azzinoth for free so they can blame that for cc breaks. |
| 17:02.38 | HIghoS | We actually only killed Solarian after we killed Vashj. We were kinda like.. "Wait this is a boss?" |
| 17:02.38 | rubik | if you guys say that he's like Aran |
| 17:02.42 | rubik | we have warriors whirlwinding trash sheeps to blame for that |
| 17:02.49 | HIghoS | Get BigBrother. |
| 17:02.56 | rubik | yeah, i have it |
| 17:03.05 | HIghoS | I believe it can be used to notify the raid when someone breaks CC. |
| 17:03.20 | HIghoS | Trust me, they'll pay attention after they do it a few times and the CC'ers/healers get wtfpwned because of it. |
| 17:03.26 | rubik | they stopped after i went on vent and said "so, sheeps were broken by whirlwind, whirlwind and another whirlwind" |
| 17:03.52 | sag_ich_nicht | no, they don't, because it's too spammy |
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| 17:04.38 | Fisker- | hoho HIghoS |
| 17:04.45 | thul | o ho |
| 17:04.46 | rubik | they must think it's illhoof when they see so many mobs.. this one dps warrior clocked like 2200 dps on illhoof the other day and was proud of it |
| 17:04.50 | Fisker- | Tempest Keep is so easy |
| 17:05.04 | HIghoS | Oh, I know. Just killed Kael last night for the first time. |
| 17:05.13 | HIghoS | I maintain that Vash > Kael. |
| 17:05.18 | Fisker- | I got my guild to try out Solarian and Al'ar and we killed them both in like 2 raid nights(solarian died on the third try of course :P) |
| 17:05.23 | nevcairiel | Kael is harder imho, more random factors |
| 17:05.32 | nevcairiel | even tho he has been nerfed to hell |
| 17:05.32 | Fisker- | vashj is harder |
| 17:05.35 | HIghoS | The only time I could see BigBrother being too spammy would be on the way to Kael's trash because of the chain sheeping/chain fearing you want todo. |
| 17:05.36 | Fin | ~wau |
| 17:05.37 | purl | wau is, like, WowAceUpdater, found at http://www.wowace.com/wau/publish.htm - Easy mass update to all the addons you have installed from the Wowace repository, where many Ace addons reside. |
| 17:05.41 | Fisker- | even though i've taken none of the bosses |
| 17:05.42 | Fisker- | :D |
| 17:05.43 | nevcairiel | we killed Kael back before all the nerfs |
| 17:05.46 | nevcairiel | that was something more |
| 17:05.52 | rubik | al'ar is harder than solarian, right? (for someone just getting started in TK) |
| 17:05.53 | Fisker- | Kael'Thas seems easier sofar though |
| 17:05.56 | HIghoS | Otherwise, I don't see why it would be a problem. I've though about enabling it in our raids, but for the most part, ppl have gotten pretty good about it in the past few months, so meh. |
| 17:06.00 | nevcairiel | rubik: yea |
| 17:06.06 | vithos | kael'thas falls over now :( |
| 17:06.08 | rubik | cool.. thought so |
| 17:06.26 | vithos | i mean, you still have to do it right, but we were so amazed at how fast it is now |
| 17:06.36 | Fisker- | in terms of difficulty it's probably Solarian -> Void Reaver -> Al'Ar -> Kael'Thas |
| 17:06.39 | HIghoS | I honestly think Kael is less Random then Vashj. |
| 17:07.19 | HIghoS | It might just be the fact that Vash trained us for Kael so well that we literally only spent about 4 nights on him. |
| 17:07.24 | rubik | but then again, this guild lacks the coordination to kill Magtheridon and we gave up on that and went straight from Gruul to TK |
| 17:07.36 | HIghoS | oh god. I have mercy for you. |
| 17:07.37 | Fisker- | wtf |
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| 17:07.46 | Fisker- | if you can't take Magtheridon you're gonna have some issues down the road |
| 17:07.47 | rubik | haha |
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| 17:08.13 | Arrowmaster | does anybody know if blizzard deletes battle.net accounts for inactivity? |
| 17:08.20 | rubik | we've only tried a couple nights and it was pathetic.. people were like.. interrupt? what? |
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| 17:08.30 | Fisker- | there's a guild on our server who's taken vashj but seriously can't take magtheridon |
| 17:08.31 | Fisker- | :D |
| 17:08.46 | Fisker- | they've even asked to get some of their people on our raids so they can get some gear from there |
| 17:09.01 | HIghoS | That's ridiculous. The amount of coordination you need for Vashj.. lol |
| 17:09.03 | rubik | there are lots of guilds that just skip magtheridon since it's just a PITA |
| 17:09.07 | HIghoS | cube clicking wipes raids, gogogogo |
| 17:09.40 | vithos | i almost fucking wiped a mag raid recently because autoshot breaks cube clicking |
| 17:09.43 | Fisker- | well at the point where you're taking vashj and kael'thas there's no reason to go back, but you really should take him |
| 17:10.12 | Fisker- | atleast cube clicking doesn't give a debuff anymore |
| 17:10.21 | Fisker- | unless it goes through of course |
| 17:10.37 | vithos | it debuffed me heh |
| 17:10.42 | vithos | our raid was just pro and healed through it |
| 17:12.00 | vithos | but that was probably just unpredictable behavior because of the autoshot bug with it |
| 17:12.03 | vithos | who knows |
| 17:12.28 | Antiarc | http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2008/01/funny-pictures-cat-pidgeons-star-wars.jpg |
| 17:12.46 | Fin | ~wau2 |
| 17:12.47 | purl | [wau2] http://wowace.com/wau2 |
| 17:12.50 | Fin | oops |
| 17:12.56 | thul | anyone on a windows machine want to do me a keygen-running favor? |
| 17:12.57 | Fin | oh hey, it still worked |
| 17:13.11 | genetik | vithos: yeah.. back when we were doing mag, i made sure to either not assign cube duty to hunters or make it explicitly clear that they must cancel autoshot before clicking their cube |
| 17:13.34 | vithos | genetik: i somehow killed illidan before finding that out |
| 17:13.38 | genetik | haha |
| 17:13.48 | vithos | i guess i was always on the farthest away cubes |
| 17:13.59 | genetik | ahh |
| 17:14.03 | genetik | i can see that |
| 17:14.21 | vithos | it was funny. before the pull the rogues were bitching that they should be on the close one instead of ranged dps |
| 17:14.25 | Ellipsis | oh hay, it's a Fin |
| 17:14.29 | vithos | and look what it got us |
| 17:16.16 | nevcairiel | we tried to avoid having rogues click at all |
| 17:17.33 | Pkekyo| | HAI2UPEOPLESKEKEKE |
| 17:17.44 | Ellipsis | lolsup Pkekyo| |
| 17:18.47 | Fisker- | PONY SLAYSTATION |
| 17:18.58 | Ellipsis | :o |
| 17:19.01 | Ellipsis | poor widdle ponies |
| 17:19.04 | Primer | !rating 1500 |
| 17:19.04 | Xinhuan | 1500 rating gives 344(5s), 302(3s) and 261(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 17:19.04 | Pkekyo| | FOR PONY!!!!!!! |
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| 17:19.26 | Fisker- | !rating 1543 |
| 17:19.27 | Xinhuan | 1543 rating gives 393(5s), 346(3s) and 298(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 17:21.07 | Fisker- | :< |
| 17:24.12 | Estil | I found it funny how as soon as my 2's team hit 1700 |
| 17:24.17 | Estil | our very first match was vs warrior+druid |
| 17:24.21 | Estil | needless to say we got pwnd by that cheese |
| 17:24.37 | mort | awww :) |
| 17:25.24 | Estil | oh it's okay |
| 17:25.26 | Chompers | Fisker-! |
| 17:25.27 | Estil | my druid is level 65 |
| 17:25.29 | Chompers | you're alive |
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| 17:25.37 | Chompers | that's pretty good, huh |
| 17:25.38 | Estil | as soon as I hit 70 a warrior friend of mine is gonna help me get arena poijnts and get built up fast in s3 |
| 17:25.42 | mort | but it's druid + rogue |
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| 17:26.19 | Estil | ah |
| 17:26.57 | mort | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.49 | Estil | I'm sure |
| 17:27.56 | Estil | not much of a problem for us (priest+huntER) |
| 17:28.01 | Estil | lock+x team is easy |
| 17:28.04 | Estil | even if lock+druid |
| 17:28.21 | Estil | just that warr+druid is only team comp that can put us down with supreme ease |
| 17:29.15 | mort | hunter + priest can get ugly too, scorpid pet + scorpid sting + mana burn is ugly |
| 17:29.59 | Primer | !rating 1600 |
| 17:30.00 | Xinhuan | 1600 rating gives 465(5s), 409(3s) and 353(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 17:30.25 | Primer | !rating 1700 |
| 17:30.26 | Xinhuan | 1700 rating gives 607(5s), 534(3s) and 461(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 17:33.46 | matthew_ | asdjf |
| 17:33.49 | matthew_ | hello |
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| 17:44.39 | deadair | i just watched a video of an EU server killing illidan stormrage |
| 17:44.48 | deadair | >> they make it look so easy |
| 17:44.48 | deadair | lol |
| 17:45.00 | SunTsu | deadair: Well, it is, for a server |
| 17:45.01 | thul | everything is easy when you know how :-P |
| 17:45.51 | Osstia | !rating 1504 |
| 17:45.52 | Xinhuan | 1504 rating gives 348(5s), 306(3s) and 264(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 17:46.30 | deadair | i just got to 64 myself |
| 17:46.36 | deadair | im having a difficult type leveling |
| 17:46.37 | deadair | :/ |
| 17:47.28 | deadair | well not so much difficult. just stressful. my guild is a 70 raiding guild and im "healer" come 70.. so their all waiting and trying to do what they can until |
| 17:47.39 | deadair | so its kind of stressful, so im freaking out on myself |
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| 17:49.31 | Osstia | 1 "healer" doesn't get you to ilidan |
| 17:49.41 | Osstia | You should be looking at heroics first, then Kara |
| 17:49.41 | mort | unless it's me :P |
| 17:49.53 | deadair | i know Osstia, that is what i mean |
| 17:49.55 | Osstia | well yes mort, but you and I are special that way |
| 17:50.49 | thul | we did kara straight away :-P |
| 17:50.58 | Osstia | I did too thul |
| 17:51.18 | Osstia | but I was still wearing my t2/t3 gear |
| 17:51.26 | deadair | Osstia, they cleared kara.. on to ZA now |
| 17:51.34 | Osstia | good deadair |
| 17:51.43 | mort | you can easily heal through kara without heroic loot |
| 17:51.49 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 17:51.55 | deadair | not what they say |
| 17:52.03 | mort | and heroics are much more relaxing with some kara equip |
| 17:52.13 | nevcairiel | just get the dungeon set 3 |
| 17:52.15 | nevcairiel | and be happy |
| 17:53.08 | Twist- | yeh.. an overgeared raid can easily carry an undergeared healer along for a bit |
| 17:53.39 | Antiarc | http://news.filefront.com/super-smash-brothers-brawl-300/ |
| 17:53.43 | deadair | how do you get the dungeon set 3 |
| 17:54.01 | Twist- | pieces of it drop in various normal mode 70 instances |
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| 17:54.36 | deadair | oh |
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| 17:55.13 | SunTsu | .o0( there is one d3 piece that drops in BM heroic. Great thinking, blizzard ) |
| 17:55.29 | deadair | dont even know what BM is hehe |
| 17:55.38 | Twist- | they nerfed the place at least |
| 17:55.45 | SunTsu | Black Morass, Cavern of Time 2 |
| 17:55.47 | Twist- | heroic dark portal was pretty silly before |
| 17:55.50 | deadair | oh |
| 17:56.06 | Twist- | by the time you could do the place without consumables, you didn't need the gear it dropped |
| 17:57.08 | mort | d3 drops in normal mode instances |
| 17:57.29 | SunTsu | mort: Not every piece. |
| 17:57.41 | mort | which one not? |
| 17:57.49 | CIA-9 | 03trasher * r59670 10Recount/Recount.lua: |
| 17:57.49 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 17:57.49 | CIA-9 | - frFR update (35% translate) |
| 17:57.51 | SunTsu | mort: the generic melee set for instance |
| 17:57.53 | Kivin | there's like 3-4 peieces of each set that are heroic loot |
| 17:58.13 | mort | ok, if you count those generic sets |
| 17:58.14 | Twist- | I thought it was primarily the 3.5 that dropped in heroics. mana-etched and the like. |
| 17:58.46 | Kivin | Sure you aren't refering to 3.0? |
| 17:58.48 | mort | the class specific d3 sets aren't heroic drops |
| 17:58.52 | SunTsu | The point is - if you can get them chances are you won#t need them anymore |
| 17:58.59 | Kivin | yeah, Mana-etched is D3 |
| 17:59.14 | Kivin | SunTsu: agreed. |
| 17:59.29 | mort | get the priester d3, works for every other healing class too |
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| 17:59.33 | Twist- | so what are we calling the class-specific L70 sets? |
| 17:59.36 | thul | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Balnazzar&n=Thyve <- good enough gear to be in a za/bt++ clearing guild? (some pvp stuff on now, and pvp-weirdo spec, nevermind it) |
| 17:59.45 | chiper | yeah, by the time I was able to get mana-etched pieces I was already doing kara |
| 17:59.51 | SunTsu | mort: Right, but as a feral druid the generic one was the only one really fitting me |
| 18:00.09 | mort | heavy clefthoof! :) |
| 18:00.17 | Twist- | thul: so.. you want our opinion on your PVE potential when you're not wearing your pvp gear? |
| 18:00.23 | Kivin | thul: I doubt it; But I haven't closely examined how much is pvp |
| 18:00.36 | Kivin | thul: that's more like kara startup gear to me, just looking at the melee frame |
| 18:01.26 | genetik | thul: your hit rating is quite low |
| 18:01.36 | thul | Twist-: well, it is like 2 pieces :-P |
| 18:01.38 | Kivin | Quite acceptable for pvp or mid tier 4 |
| 18:01.40 | thul | hmm, three pieces |
| 18:01.53 | [dRaCo] | thul: 140 hit short and unenchanted weapons (!) |
| 18:01.59 | Kivin | You don't start reaching the 15%+ hit improvement until high tier 5 |
| 18:02.06 | thul | well, cba to spend money on enchanting those :-( |
| 18:02.22 | Kivin | those are the last swords you'll ever need until you've got Vashj down |
| 18:02.22 | thul | i get about 200 hit rating, 1500 ap and 25% crit in pve gear |
| 18:02.25 | Twist- | So I have a pitbull question. Does anyone know if it's possible to get pitbull to display debuffs in a solid color instead of a gradient? I'd like curses to poke me in the eye as effectively as the aggro indicator does. |
| 18:02.41 | thul | (and i have topped the dps-meter in kara like 20 times :-P ) |
| 18:02.47 | Kivin | Twist-: don't think so |
| 18:02.55 | [dRaCo] | thul: at least the offhand is the best you can get for a long time. get mongoose |
| 18:02.56 | Kivin | thul: Like I said, it's kara gear. not BT. |
| 18:02.58 | thul | hmm, i just find it hard to get more hit-gear without gimping stuff |
| 18:03.07 | [dRaCo] | then gimp stuff |
| 18:03.13 | thul | well, what should i do to gear up for bt? heroics? |
| 18:03.15 | mort | topping dps meters in kara is like winning the paralympics... |
| 18:03.24 | Kivin | the next main hand improvement you'll get is from SSC, so unless you've got that on clear, you'd do well to at least put +agi on it |
| 18:03.26 | thul | i should get the headpiece from kara ofc, but i can't seem to find more upgrades from there right now |
| 18:03.28 | Twist- | Thul: welcome to raiding. though in most cases if you're not hit capped it's the most effective stat you can pump. |
| 18:03.37 | thul | i know :/ |
| 18:03.39 | Kivin | thul: Get your attack power closer to 2,000 |
| 18:03.51 | Twist- | welll, boo-urns. |
| 18:03.51 | [dRaCo] | get your hit closer to 300 :> |
| 18:03.52 | Kivin | without losing hit, preferably |
| 18:03.54 | thul | hmm, is it possible to get 240 hit and 2000 ap kara/pre-kara? |
| 18:03.58 | thul | hmm |
| 18:03.59 | thul | ok |
| 18:04.01 | Twist- | I keep failing to notice curses. |
| 18:04.04 | Kivin | thul: I highly doubt it |
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| 18:04.17 | chiper | twist: what are you using for decursing? |
| 18:04.27 | Kivin | thul: I've not really noticed hit rating exploding on people's armories until Tier 5 levle |
| 18:04.29 | Kivin | level* |
| 18:04.29 | thul | i need better head, better trinks and enchants first. |
| 18:04.33 | Twist- | pitbull raid frames and clique |
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| 18:04.35 | [dRaCo] | our rogues (ssc/tk) got like 1.7k ap, ~25% crit and 280+ hit |
| 18:04.42 | chiper | oh, :/ |
| 18:04.56 | Twist- | which is a badass setup in every other respect |
| 18:04.58 | Kivin | thul: you have +attack power gem(s?). Fix those. +8 agi is superior to +16 attack power 100% of the time |
| 18:05.05 | chiper | I know both smartdebuff and decursive have an option to play a nice noticable sound when someone gets decursed. |
| 18:05.07 | thul | hmm, ok |
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| 18:05.14 | kenlyric | 150% |
| 18:05.16 | thul | hehe |
| 18:05.20 | thul | I'll get +8 agi then |
| 18:05.32 | Twist- | chiper: yeah, but I still ahve to find their ass on the grid. |
| 18:05.33 | thul | and get gold to enchant my swords |
| 18:05.34 | Kivin | And turn +stamina into +hit where ever you can. Don't gem for set bonuses unless those set bonus are hit, attack, agi, or crit |
| 18:05.45 | Twist- | chiper: smartdebuff does better at this |
| 18:05.46 | chiper | twist: I seem to remember seeing a simmilar option in pitbull |
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| 18:05.57 | mort | grid + gridalert is nice too |
| 18:06.04 | chiper | yeah, with SD it's easy, they're a big blue square |
| 18:06.08 | Kivin | I'd probably leave the 20 atk power in your chest gear. You'll have a hard time replacing that with raw agi |
| 18:06.12 | Twist- | I used to use it exclusively for decursing, but my computer can't swing two redundant sets of raid frames anymore. |
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| 18:06.21 | thul | hmm, ok |
| 18:06.39 | Fin | ooh hay! itsanElli |
| 18:06.39 | Twist- | chiper: Right.. pitbull attempts to do the same thing, but it's a very low contrast gradient effect |
| 18:06.46 | Twist- | I'd love a nice solid color |
| 18:06.53 | Kivin | a bloodlust brooch from heroic badges, or an hourglass from normal BM is a good candidate for your empty trinket slot. |
| 18:07.10 | Kivin | do you still have your bladefist's breadth? |
| 18:07.16 | CIA-9 | 03trasher * r59671 10Recount/Recount.lua: |
| 18:07.16 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 18:07.16 | CIA-9 | - Bug With French Version, i have remove translate Fr, i test in local |
| 18:07.28 | chiper | aww, damn, they fixed the Mojo bug |
| 18:07.34 | [dRaCo] | romeo's poison vial and DST |
| 18:07.36 | chiper | glad I managed to get it with my mage |
| 18:08.09 | Twist- | they're taking their sweet time with maintenance today |
| 18:08.11 | Kivin | also, you've got a lot of pvp gear on which could be replaced by heroic badge loot if you so pleased. |
| 18:08.23 | thul | well, trying to gather badges, got like 20 now :-P |
| 18:08.31 | Kivin | the 75 badge stuff is absolutely awsome tier 5 level stuff |
| 18:08.35 | thul | but in the new guild, we'll run kara once pr week |
| 18:08.36 | thul | so |
| 18:08.37 | Kivin | farming kara is excellent for that |
| 18:08.44 | [dRaCo] | bit short of hit, though |
| 18:08.57 | Kivin | the trinkets will help a lot. you stand to gain like 150 attack power just from putting a couple good trinkets in. |
| 18:09.07 | Kivin | hit doesn't really come until tier 5 |
| 18:09.14 | NivFreak | Twist-: they did say extended |
| 18:09.27 | chiper | damnit, I really wish I had done that on my hunter now |
| 18:09.38 | chiper | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4187424215&pageNo=1&sid=1#7 |
| 18:09.39 | Kivin | done what? |
| 18:09.45 | Kivin | oh, mojo |
| 18:10.05 | NivFreak | I wish I'd known about it before the fix |
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| 18:10.17 | Twist- | NivFreak: they apparently are not of the underpromise and overdeliver school of thought regarding customer service. |
| 18:10.57 | NivFreak | they certainly have thier hands full on the infrastructure side |
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| 18:11.38 | Kivin | starting to get realms populating in the realm list, though they're still offline |
| 18:11.40 | chiper | GF was PISSED when she saw I had Mojo. "That's not fair! You're supposed to have to work for it!" |
| 18:13.11 | kenlyric | I rely on this channel to report these things to be before they are fixed. |
| 18:13.19 | thul | hehe |
| 18:13.20 | thul | me too |
| 18:13.21 | thul | :-P |
| 18:13.22 | kenlyric | just wait until 2.4, when they take mojo away |
| 18:13.29 | Shadowed | I doubt it |
| 18:13.35 | Shadowed | It's far different from free T6 |
| 18:13.44 | chiper | naw, blue post said they'll let people keep it |
| 18:13.57 | kneeki | I hope they fix the :SetAttribute() bugs in 2.4 :D |
| 18:14.03 | chiper | it's just a non-combat pet |
| 18:14.13 | mort | it's just pet, why do people actually care? |
| 18:14.23 | kenlyric | chiper: blue post also said it was cool that people were taming ghost wolf and they weren't going to change it. |
| 18:14.44 | chiper | mort: mojo has a special ability, he's a pretty cool pet |
| 18:14.51 | chiper | if you kiss him, you turn into a frog |
| 18:14.59 | NeoTron | nothing like riding around on your large flaming horse as a frog |
| 18:15.00 | mort | i know him, friend of mine has one |
| 18:15.07 | Grum | if you lick it it will sex0r you for hours |
| 18:15.29 | mort | it's still just a pet |
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| 18:17.03 | chiper | huh, hunter viper traps can daze players. known bug in 2.3.3 |
| 18:17.13 | chiper | that's good to know |
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| 18:19.20 | kenlyric | not a bug. |
| 18:19.25 | kenlyric | stop trying to flee from snakes |
| 18:20.06 | deadair | yea chiper |
| 18:20.09 | deadair | that isnt a bug |
| 18:20.30 | genetik | players can't daze players, can they? i thought that mechanic was only npc to pc |
| 18:20.36 | chiper | blue post says it is |
| 18:20.53 | chiper | so bug or not, it's gonna be removed |
| 18:20.57 | deadair | when i try to heal a rogue in arathi basin, a hunter uses that, im like wtf... dead |
| 18:21.12 | kenlyric | snakes aren't players, ok? |
| 18:21.14 | deadair | hehe |
| 18:21.41 | xyu | i'm a snake |
| 18:21.42 | deadair | you'd be better off if you were a playa, ok? |
| 18:21.52 | deadair | ~_o |
| 18:22.51 | genetik | Antiarc: is the armory still not playing nice with your armory tools? |
| 18:22.52 | chiper | how do you get hated with booty bay? do the bloodsail buccaneers have a quest zone I dont know about? |
| 18:23.04 | Antiarc | genetik: Yeah, there are some problems |
| 18:23.08 | Antiarc | I just haven't had time to do a fixup. |
| 18:23.33 | kenlyric | chiper: kill goblins in booty bay |
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| 18:23.49 | chiper | how? they arent attackable |
| 18:23.53 | kenlyric | or winterspringer, wherever |
| 18:23.55 | Kivin | chiper: Set them to hostile in rep |
| 18:23.57 | kenlyric | At war checkbox? |
| 18:24.00 | Kivin | ^ |
| 18:24.02 | chiper | ah |
| 18:24.06 | genetik | Antiarc: ok, cool.. need any help with it? |
| 18:24.20 | Antiarc | Heh, wouldn't turn it down. I'd like to do a full rewrite, though |
| 18:24.26 | xyu | chiper: there are some quests too |
| 18:24.28 | chiper | do bloodsail quests open up if you become friendly with them? |
| 18:24.31 | genetik | ah |
| 18:24.33 | xyu | no |
| 18:24.37 | Antiarc | If Bibi would let me install and run Rails apps I'd rewrite it as a rails app, just because Hpricot is so damn sexy. |
| 18:24.39 | xyu | well yes |
| 18:24.41 | xyu | at friendly |
| 18:24.42 | chiper | so.. why would you want to do this? |
| 18:24.49 | xyu | you can get "Avast ye, scallywag |
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| 18:25.00 | xyu | and neutral you can get "Dressing the Part" |
| 18:25.28 | genetik | Antiarc: what exactly did they change in the xml schema? |
| 18:25.40 | chiper | I keep hearing about all these problems people have when they're hated by BB, and I'm left to wonder why someone would want to do that |
| 18:25.47 | Antiarc | I don't know. I haven't looked in depth. I think a lot of the fixes needs to be better error handling and recovery, though |
| 18:25.58 | xyu | killing Baron Revilgaz is the best for rep i think |
| 18:26.03 | xyu | and he respawns in like 3minutes |
| 18:26.08 | Antiarc | The scripts assume the armory is working, and whne it isn't it blows up horribly |
| 18:26.17 | kenlyric | it's still an agonizingly slow process. |
| 18:26.42 | nevcairiel | the armory is more down then up the last few weeks anyway : |
| 18:26.45 | nevcairiel | ;( |
| 18:26.54 | genetik | Antiarc: i spent some time trying to fix my little guild roster fetcher.. couldn't figure out what they were doing |
| 18:27.32 | genetik | it seems like it starts ignoring random http requests |
| 18:27.43 | genetik | like it throttles or something |
| 18:28.22 | EvilJohn | bliizard needs a separate server to just dish out .xml |
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| 18:28.35 | genetik | i think that would save a lot of headaches on their end |
| 18:28.59 | Antiarc | yeah. The scripts need to take that into account. |
| 18:30.25 | genetik | heck, i'd pay a little bit extra a month for dedicated access to armory xml |
| 18:31.06 | genetik | using SOAP or something |
| 18:31.18 | EvilJohn | should suggest that, blizzard doesn't usually pass up revenue streams |
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| 18:31.39 | Antiarc | They really should just expose the data as JSON |
| 18:31.44 | Antiarc | It would save them so much bandwidth |
| 18:33.50 | Ozguli | a GM once told me to kill someone |
| 18:33.52 | genetik | i dunno.. i'm a big fan of using XML for serving structured data |
| 18:33.54 | Ozguli | IRL |
| 18:34.29 | Ozguli | indirectly tho |
| 18:34.31 | xyu | did you pour gasoline on them and claim you're a fire mage? |
| 18:34.43 | kadrahil | lolol? |
| 18:34.49 | Antiarc | JSON is just as structured as XML |
| 18:34.53 | Antiarc | It's just a lot less verbose. |
| 18:34.58 | kadrahil | Ozguli's pyroblast crits you for 9120. |
| 18:34.59 | kadrahil | You die. |
| 18:35.02 | kadrahil | IRL. |
| 18:35.37 | xyu | Don't forget the ignite ticks |
| 18:36.02 | Ozguli | nah I asked about electric chair dmg, if it was nature or arcane based |
| 18:36.06 | Ozguli | and he told me to go see by myself |
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| 18:36.11 | xyu | JSON is pretty structured, he could definitely woops Frddy's ass. |
| 18:36.23 | xyu | -s |
| 18:36.45 | Ozguli | means that I have to get there first |
| 18:37.05 | xyu | Sounds more like he told you to die IRL |
| 18:37.37 | kenlyric | my calendar says JASON on it, halp |
| 18:37.53 | Ozguli | xyu by electirc chair |
| 18:38.09 | kadrahil | my laptop cooler just died :( |
| 18:38.15 | kadrahil | little cheap $20 targus thing |
| 18:38.16 | Ozguli | your laptop dies soon |
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| 18:38.19 | xyu | right, but <Ozguli> a GM once told me to kill someone. |
| 18:38.20 | kadrahil | probably |
| 18:38.22 | xyu | i think that someone was you ^^ |
| 18:38.35 | Ozguli | I want to believe he meant what I said |
| 18:38.52 | Ellipsis- | problem solved? |
| 18:38.58 | Ozguli | no |
| 18:39.00 | xyu | as long as it was by electric chair |
| 18:39.06 | xyu | and you have WWS logs to prove it |
| 18:39.12 | Ozguli | and I'm going to have them make a diamond out of my dust |
| 18:39.22 | Ozguli | and craft a fancy jewel from it |
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| 18:39.47 | xyu | oh so you're kael post 2.4 ! |
| 18:40.36 | Bendyr | hey guys- i was hoping to get some advice on fixing my UI so it would be usable in both fullscreen and windowed mode; for example, i use AGUF and Quartz, and in fullscreen mode I have the castbars perfectly aligned with the corresponding unit frames, but in windowed mode they are unaligned |
| 18:40.43 | Bendyr | anyone have any ideas how to get it to work in both? |
| 18:40.55 | xyu | Do you have "Use UI scale" checked |
| 18:41.04 | Bendyr | umm |
| 18:41.04 | Bendyr | no |
| 18:41.08 | Bendyr | is that it? |
| 18:41.09 | xyu | check that |
| 18:41.11 | xyu | i think so, yes |
| 18:41.12 | Bendyr | heh ok |
| 18:41.31 | Pkekyo| | anyone know how the book I Am Legend ended? |
| 18:41.31 | Bendyr | i will try that as soon as my realm comes up, thanks |
| 18:41.44 | kadrahil | Pkekyo|: no |
| 18:41.49 | NeoTron | so it wouldn't surprise me if part of 2.4 is annoying that the attunement requirements for BT/Hyjal have been lifted |
| 18:41.57 | kadrahil | Pkekyo|: i liked the movie though |
| 18:41.58 | EvilJohn | should be a plot synopsis on wikipedia |
| 18:42.28 | xyu | NeoTron: I couldn't tell, were you FOR the removal or against? |
| 18:43.07 | NeoTron | xyu: for really |
| 18:43.18 | NeoTron | because it's a pain in the neck to back-attune a new trial raider |
| 18:43.22 | Bendyr | no one would ever kill vashj again heh |
| 18:43.24 | NeoTron | when you don't raid SSC or TK anymore |
| 18:43.28 | chiper | pk: I heard a rough synopsis of the ending, eyah |
| 18:43.38 | chiper | Pkekyo|: I know it was different from the movie |
| 18:43.39 | NeoTron | ironically the BT attunement is the worst |
| 18:43.45 | chiper | and I think I liked the movie better |
| 18:43.52 | NeoTron | we got a vashj-only instance from another raid guild and will get a KT only instance this week |
| 18:43.54 | xyu | We're in that same position. We have to (today) run a whole TK to key 1 shadowpriest. just 1 :( |
| 18:43.59 | EvilJohn | I read the book many moons ago |
| 18:44.17 | NeoTron | alternatively they should implement a back-attuning system |
| 18:44.21 | mykx | neotron if they lifted the attunements everybody would be farming 4/5 hyjal and bt hehe |
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| 18:44.30 | Arrowmaster | im so bored |
| 18:44.37 | NeoTron | one suggestion I liked was that you could bring in 2-3 unattuned members into the instance and get them attuned after killing a certain boss |
| 18:44.45 | NeoTron | mykx: I'm sure |
| 18:44.56 | NeoTron | but with sunwell coming out and wotlk soon, why not right? |
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| 18:45.10 | mykx | well I dunno they should have to work for it like everybody else |
| 18:45.17 | Pkekyo| | chiperPkekyo|: I know it was different from the movie <--- as do I, I want to know how it was different :p |
| 18:45.18 | NeoTron | one disappointment was lifting TK attunement... because we had just finished a push to attune |
| 18:45.24 | xyu | Arrowmaster: YOu could write me an addon that estimates the length of time a boss fight is by the amount of HP that is being dropped over time, and display it on a bar! |
| 18:45.31 | xyu | gogo! |
| 18:45.33 | NeoTron | but in retrospect that'd been even more hell to back attune people for, having to kill (ick) mags |
| 18:45.33 | Arrowmaster | boring |
| 18:45.45 | xyu | no, it's fun! |
| 18:45.48 | mykx | I'm currently on a trial for a bt farm guild having only done up to bloodboil so we'll see how the raid is tonight |
| 18:46.06 | NeoTron | mykx: we're farming BT/Hyjal waiting for Sunwell. We'll stil dominate most guilds come new instances |
| 18:46.12 | NeoTron | even if they get free t6 epics |
| 18:46.25 | NeoTron | if they can't kill vashj/Kael'thas they likely won't get TOO far into BT taht easily |
| 18:46.32 | mykx | yeah that's what my current guild is doing but I haven't done a lot of the tough fights so hopefully I dont mess up hehe |
| 18:46.33 | NeoTron | probably 4 down or so (up to gorefiend) |
| 18:46.40 | xyu | imo, guilds that have trouble downing vashj, kael won't do well in hyjal / bt even the easy bosses. |
| 18:46.50 | mykx | illidari council im concerned about and RoS |
| 18:46.57 | NeoTron | mykx: what is your class? |
| 18:47.01 | mykx | warlock |
| 18:47.03 | NeoTron | ok |
| 18:47.05 | chiper | Pkekyo|: from my understanding, he ends up finding out that there's two classes of the creatures, one that's pure animal and one that is actually still intelligent. the intelligent ones confront him and tell him that he's been killing the wrong people and that he actually the monster |
| 18:47.07 | NeoTron | no problem then |
| 18:47.15 | NeoTron | rogue on RoS is somewhat challenging |
| 18:47.20 | xyu | no kidding, what does a warlock do? hit the 3 button hard as possible? |
| 18:47.23 | NeoTron | council is easy as a lock - just don't be a nub and die from the AoE |
| 18:47.40 | mykx | They wanted me to go affliction for raid utility. I miss my 8.5k crits |
| 18:47.47 | NeoTron | mykx: sorry to hear that |
| 18:47.53 | NeoTron | you're the gimp lock :P |
| 18:48.00 | NeoTron | we have one of those too |
| 18:48.01 | mykx | well if it gives me a chance to raid with such a guild i dont mind |
| 18:48.22 | thul | I would spec shadowstep-shiv build if that gave me bt-access : |
| 18:48.24 | NeoTron | it seems unnecessary for a guild with them onf arm status though |
| 18:48.24 | thul | :-P |
| 18:48.33 | mykx | yeah it does but hey i dont make the calls |
| 18:48.43 | NeoTron | nice thing for me - I do make the calls :P |
| 18:48.54 | NeoTron | <-- warlock, raid leader and guild council member |
| 18:48.57 | mykx | I was reading up on various fights and one thing that confuses me is on illidari council. they say the HP is split right so you kill 1 you kill them all ? |
| 18:49.01 | xyu | "nice" being a relative term. |
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| 18:49.12 | NeoTron | mykx: yes. what it means for you is that you just DPS the pally |
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| 18:49.26 | NeoTron | it's just like twin emps in AQ40 |
| 18:49.32 | mykx | right and the reason for CoS on that one guy is purely to limit resists for the mage ? |
| 18:49.48 | mykx | I'm just going by bosskillers here lol |
| 18:49.50 | xyu | wait CoS , mage? what? |
| 18:50.00 | mykx | "Warlocks: DPS. Put Curse of Tongues on Lady Malande. Put Curse of Shadows on High Nethermancer Zerevo" |
| 18:50.11 | mykx | yet it tells you to dps garithos or something |
| 18:50.13 | NeoTron | mykx: don't use CoS |
| 18:50.18 | NeoTron | and we don't use CoT |
| 18:50.19 | thul | that is why I play rogue :-P i infact have to do more than one thing :-P |
| 18:50.43 | NeoTron | better to have the rogue(s) responsible for kicking use mind numbing poison |
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| 18:50.52 | NeoTron | every time she gets spell immunity the CoT is removed |
| 18:50.54 | thul | hmm, does MNP work on bosses? |
| 18:50.55 | NeoTron | which is a PITA :P |
| 18:50.59 | NeoTron | does on that one |
| 18:51.00 | mort | 2 things: sinister strike + finisher :P |
| 18:51.11 | mykx | well all of the mages in the guild are arcane so CoS is a given anyway but I'm wondering why it tells you to put CoS on a target you will not be dpsing. |
| 18:51.29 | xyu | why are they arcane? lol |
| 18:51.30 | NeoTron | probably because they believe it helps with spellsteal resisting? |
| 18:51.32 | xyu | crazy mages |
| 18:51.34 | NeoTron | I doubt it matters though |
| 18:51.40 | NeoTron | xyu: because they want to do competetive DPS? |
| 18:51.43 | xyu | rofl |
| 18:51.47 | thul | mort: well, kick, move around all the time, sinister strike/hemo, rupture, snd, kick, clos, move around some more :-P |
| 18:51.48 | xyu | then go fire |
| 18:51.50 | NeoTron | most high end raiding mages are arcane, sometimes 61 arcane |
| 18:51.54 | xyu | then they're bad |
| 18:52.01 | mykx | actually If you want I'll post some WWS here of the mages in the guild |
| 18:52.05 | NeoTron | xyu: err. no. |
| 18:52.08 | xyu | err yes |
| 18:52.09 | mykx | best mage does ~1700 average dps |
| 18:52.12 | thul | ERR YESENOW! |
| 18:52.14 | xyu | 1700 is bad |
| 18:52.15 | thul | :-P |
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| 18:52.28 | thul | I'm happy if i get 800 dps :-P |
| 18:52.32 | xyu | compare to 2200 fire dps :) |
| 18:52.36 | mykx | I don't think many fire mages do that much unless everyone I have grouped with on my old server is just plain bad |
| 18:52.49 | Bendyr | hey can anyone recommend a good CoH lootrank? |
| 18:53.02 | xyu | arcane is proven to be terrible |
| 18:53.03 | mykx | I hear though that if you play it right arcane is a great spec |
| 18:53.04 | xyu | even deep frost is better |
| 18:53.12 | NeoTron | xyu: lol |
| 18:53.28 | xyu | i suppose i should offer proof. one sec. |
| 18:53.39 | genetik | *pudding* |
| 18:53.53 | deadair | servers up |
| 18:53.55 | deadair | gogog |
| 18:54.19 | Kivin | mine just populated on the list :o |
| 18:54.37 | Kivin | should have around 700 arena pts waiting for me... |
| 18:54.42 | Kivin | \o/ |
| 18:54.43 | deadair | :) |
| 18:55.02 | Kivin | 750, even. woot |
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| 18:55.31 | thul | I'm getting s1 head for pvp today :-P |
| 18:55.32 | thul | yehaw. |
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| 18:55.53 | Kivin | currently 17,000/27,000 honor to my hunter's crossbow |
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| 18:56.18 | Ozguli | servers up? |
| 18:56.26 | thul | i got s1 mh, s2 oh, chest, legs. + old honor cloak and belt, now I'll get head :-P |
| 18:56.29 | Daemona | !c Ruthee |
| 18:56.31 | Kivin | indeed |
| 18:56.34 | Ozguli | I doubt mine has even been down |
| 18:56.56 | Kivin | if you're on a NA server, it most certainly has been. |
| 18:57.21 | thul | north atlantic? |
| 18:57.39 | Kivin | err... North american? |
| 18:58.34 | xyu | NeoTron: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16979-mage_tc_after_2_3_a/p90/ |
| 18:58.34 | xyu | you could stand to read the whole thread though |
| 18:58.34 | xyu | as you're sadly misinformed :) |
| 18:58.53 | xyu | anyway off to level my OP hunter~~ |
| 18:59.02 | thul | are there un-OP hunters? |
| 18:59.04 | NeoTron | xyu: I'd liek to see ACTUAL numbers |
| 18:59.06 | thul | or locks? |
| 18:59.09 | thul | where?! |
| 18:59.11 | xyu | NeoTron: ok one sec |
| 18:59.13 | xyu | it's earlier |
| 18:59.21 | EvilJohn | heh |
| 18:59.26 | EvilJohn | that thread is awesome |
| 18:59.37 | NeoTron | I'm pretty sure our mages tried fire and didn't do too well but I wonder if they bothered gearing for it correctly |
| 18:59.38 | EvilJohn | it's worht the hour or two it takes to read it |
| 18:59.46 | NeoTron | still fire mages = CoE = bleh :P |
| 18:59.50 | thul | i love the rogue threads at EJ |
| 18:59.55 | thul | makes me not have to think much :-P |
| 18:59.56 | xyu | even w/o CoE |
| 19:00.01 | Ozguli | Frost mages free 20% haste |
| 19:00.02 | xyu | fire mages > * |
| 19:00.06 | thul | 5s3r gogo |
| 19:00.10 | xyu | Fire mages get the haste too ozguli |
| 19:00.15 | Ozguli | oh |
| 19:00.17 | xyu | we go 2/47/11 |
| 19:00.22 | EvilJohn | it's funny how blizzard killed one entire talent spec with one small itemization change |
| 19:00.23 | Ozguli | well buff rogues then |
| 19:00.24 | thul | hmm, I outdps similarly geared mages at single targets when i can go all out. |
| 19:00.25 | xyu | or 0/47/14 for illidan |
| 19:00.30 | EvilJohn | arcane has no real use. |
| 19:00.40 | NeoTron | also remember this little factor - threat |
| 19:00.53 | NeoTron | arcane has basically no threat issues while fire might hit the threat cap |
| 19:00.56 | xyu | FIre has threat reduction |
| 19:00.58 | xyu | 30% + salv |
| 19:00.59 | thul | maybe beacause i read EJ and they don't |
| 19:01.00 | thul | but still |
| 19:01.03 | NeoTron | 30% from talents? |
| 19:01.04 | Kivin | While this is purely anecdotal, I've never seen an arcane mage do anything but pure shame DPS. |
| 19:01.07 | xyu | yes |
| 19:01.11 | NeoTron | that's UP |
| 19:01.26 | mykx | Kivin: that's the players fault 9/10 times |
| 19:01.29 | xyu | we hardly ever have to use invis, maybe on gurtogg |
| 19:01.30 | xyu | at most |
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| 19:01.35 | EvilJohn | yeah, threat isn't an issue |
| 19:01.36 | kneeki | Hmm, is it still possible to cast a spell via the Bindings.xml ? I don't have any addons which do to use as a refrence and button:Click() doesn't work either. =\ |
| 19:01.47 | EvilJohn | a properly geared and enchanted fire mage has no threat issues. |
| 19:02.35 | EvilJohn | my shadow preist has a much harder time with threat |
| 19:02.48 | Twist- | (is appletalk printing at all likely?) |
| 19:02.55 | xyu | I'm not saying arcane is useless, i'm just saying, in the world of Min/maxing it is not using your full potential. It's good for guilds just starting BT i suppose. |
| 19:03.00 | Twist- | er.. wrong channel |
| 19:03.01 | kenlyric | Twist-: not in this decade. |
| 19:03.04 | genetik | EvilJohn: you could always blame your tank for that :( |
| 19:03.14 | EvilJohn | heh |
| 19:03.17 | EvilJohn | he might gkick me |
| 19:03.20 | xyu | i tried the arcane, i like it for short fights. |
| 19:03.20 | genetik | haha |
| 19:03.26 | NeoTron | with arcane you can skip a lot more spell hit and use other stats instead - is that accounted for? |
| 19:03.28 | mykx | well xyu the guys in my guild are huge into theorycrafting and have been farming the content for a while now. yet they prefer arcane :\ |
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| 19:03.41 | xyu | Then they're not big into theorycrafting |
| 19:03.46 | xyu | sorry to say :) |
| 19:03.49 | EvilJohn | there's decent dps in the arcane tree really, but the dpm is so so so bad |
| 19:03.59 | Kivin | Does a pet have to fight in order to gain loyalty levels? Or If I just idle in shattrath and keep him fed, should that be enough? |
| 19:04.00 | EvilJohn | not as good as the fire tree |
| 19:04.06 | EvilJohn | I never understood what the arcane tree is for |
| 19:04.18 | mykx | xyu: post a wws of your 2.2k dps |
| 19:04.22 | mykx | I'm interested to see this |
| 19:04.31 | NeoTron | same |
| 19:04.31 | EvilJohn | I suspect I'm not alone in my confusion |
| 19:04.41 | NeoTron | theorycrafting is just that - theory crafting. doesn't account for real situations :P |
| 19:04.45 | chiper | john: arcane also has the lowest threat |
| 19:04.54 | EvilJohn | spec arcane, have fun |
| 19:04.57 | chiper | I dont need salvation, it's so low |
| 19:05.13 | xyu | mykx: I don't have the gear to reach that level of play. |
| 19:05.16 | chiper | I usually have them put Kings on my mage because I rarely even approach the tank |
| 19:05.23 | EvilJohn | what's the point |
| 19:05.43 | EvilJohn | threat doesn't scale your damage, having 1% threat isn't anymore useful than having 99% threat |
| 19:05.47 | xyu | you only have 1 pally? |
| 19:06.00 | chiper | xyu: I dont do 25 mans yet |
| 19:06.05 | xyu | oh |
| 19:06.08 | xyu | well then arcane is good |
| 19:06.12 | chiper | so, yeah, we usually only have one pally |
| 19:06.12 | xyu | arcane is great for short fights |
| 19:06.15 | xyu | where you can dump all your mana |
| 19:06.16 | xyu | and drink |
| 19:06.21 | Twist- | actually, start here |
| 19:06.23 | Twist- | http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t18441-mage_sweet_informational_thread/ |
| 19:07.11 | Twist- | Arcane's also good for fights where you have short periods to stand and DPS, and otherwise spend a lot of time fleeing for your life. |
| 19:07.14 | chiper | the trick is to mix other spells in to your cycle to break the arcane blast debuff |
| 19:07.26 | EvilJohn | sure |
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| 19:07.40 | EvilJohn | that's the idea |
| 19:07.42 | xyu | any arcane mage will know this i hope, ^^ |
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| 19:07.58 | chiper | I typically do 3 ABs, an AM, and if I still need more time I'll toss in a scorch |
| 19:09.03 | EvilJohn | I always like frost personally |
| 19:09.05 | CIA-9 | 03gagorian * r59674 10DrDamage/Data/ (Hunter.lua Paladin.lua Shaman.lua): |
| 19:09.05 | CIA-9 | DrDamage: |
| 19:09.05 | CIA-9 | - Added missing arena glove bonuses |
| 19:09.14 | Twist- | Fire's damage is higher if you can find a way to stand still and spam spells. |
| 19:09.18 | EvilJohn | but my semi retired mage is fire to the dps |
| 19:09.18 | NeoTron | I'd still like to see fights where firemages outperform arcane mages |
| 19:09.39 | EvilJohn | any fight that lasts longer than 30 seconds |
| 19:09.43 | xyu | it's hard to find, because most endgame mages are not arcane |
| 19:09.45 | xyu | ^^ |
| 19:09.46 | deltron | our mages are going back to fire |
| 19:10.00 | Twist- | well, I can show you some parses of high damage fire mages |
| 19:10.10 | Twist- | probably not head to head with an arc mage in the same raid though |
| 19:10.19 | chiper | I tried full fire for a couple weeks, didnt like it |
| 19:10.24 | Twist- | I've gone back to fire |
| 19:10.29 | NeoTron | Twist-: really kind of useless though, if you don't compare with equally geared/grouped arcane mages |
| 19:10.35 | EvilJohn | mages still need help, I think |
| 19:10.36 | Twist- | I was deep arcane for several months |
| 19:10.51 | Twist- | icy veins was a boost. |
| 19:10.57 | EvilJohn | to mages |
| 19:11.01 | EvilJohn | that's the problem |
| 19:11.07 | chiper | mainly because of the threat, I spent too much time either not casting, or only casting scorch |
| 19:11.10 | NeoTron | don't think mages need help |
| 19:11.10 | EvilJohn | no synergy with other classes |
| 19:11.18 | deltron | I think a couple of our mages still have some T5 so that's probably why they're still arcane |
| 19:11.25 | Twist- | heh.. remember fire 'locks? |
| 19:11.34 | EvilJohn | outside of cliched AoE encounters there's zero need for more than 1 mage in a raid |
| 19:11.36 | NeoTron | Twist-: no such things unless they are idiots :P |
| 19:12.30 | Twist- | EvilJohn: decursing is handy sometimes too |
| 19:12.42 | chiper | I take it there arent many decursing fights post-kara? |
| 19:12.45 | Ellipsis-- | lol, fire locks lol |
| 19:12.47 | NeoTron | does 4xt6 for mages give something that might benefit fire mages? |
| 19:12.49 | EvilJohn | basically zero |
| 19:12.56 | NeoTron | vs having 2xt5 for arcane |
| 19:13.11 | EvilJohn | all the oteh rnaged dps classes can give back to the raid |
| 19:13.12 | xyu | http://wowwebstats.com/11abrfet2ux2c?s=5535-5710 |
| 19:13.13 | xyu | Firemage |
| 19:13.19 | xyu | 2200 dps |
| 19:13.28 | EvilJohn | giving the a raid, or group a real boost in dps |
| 19:13.38 | EvilJohn | the best a mage can do is help the other fire mage do better |
| 19:13.47 | Twist- | NeoTron: 5% damage increase to fireball, frostbolt, and arcane missiles |
| 19:14.47 | Twist- | the thing is, all mages specs are somewhat close when played well |
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| 19:15.05 | Bendyr | ok that ui scale thing worked, thank you |
| 19:15.14 | chiper | twist: agreed |
| 19:15.15 | xyu | np |
| 19:15.19 | Bendyr | but also, my fubar doesn't stretch to fit the whole screen |
| 19:15.23 | Bendyr | any ideas how to do that? |
| 19:15.45 | NightHawkAtWork | drag it so it does |
| 19:15.46 | xyu | is it "attach to bottom" |
| 19:16.18 | Twist- | So if you play arcane well, and play fire poorly.. arc will look better for you. |
| 19:16.27 | Twist- | I know I was in that hole for a while. |
| 19:16.34 | Bendyr | eh, even when i attach to the top or bottom it's only centering itself and there's like an inch gap on both sides... |
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| 19:17.01 | EvilJohn | are you usig some viewport or something? |
| 19:17.13 | EvilJohn | maybe that's confusing it |
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| 19:17.41 | NeoTron | the main issue with just switching to fire dps from arcane is that you more spell hit - isn't it 10% more? |
| 19:17.41 | Bendyr | well i detached it, manually stretched it to fill the screen and reattached it |
| 19:17.45 | Bendyr | that seemed to work |
| 19:17.46 | Bendyr | thanks |
| 19:17.59 | xyu | you need 164 spell hit rating |
| 19:18.04 | xyu | if no shaman in your group |
| 19:18.15 | NeoTron | which would be 13% no? |
| 19:18.19 | Ellipsis | that's not the end of the world though |
| 19:18.19 | xyu | (and you spec elemental precision, which is a must) |
| 19:18.29 | xyu | NeoTron: yep 13% |
| 19:18.37 | Twist- | yeah.. that was a pain. I'd been gearing towards arc for a while, and when that nerf hit I had to pull some of my old kara hit gear out of mothballs |
| 19:18.45 | Ozguli | is there some command to speak in racial language? |
| 19:18.49 | NeoTron | Ellipsis: if your gear is set up to have 3% spell hit for arcane, going up to 13% is quit significant |
| 19:19.04 | xyu | yeah the hit is really important |
| 19:19.12 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: it takes effort, sure, but it's not that difficult |
| 19:19.15 | NeoTron | you can simply not expect to compete unless you max it |
| 19:19.31 | NeoTron | maybe not difficult but potentially expensive :P |
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| 19:20.18 | Twist- | and now I'm in danger of having so much innate hit on my gear that I'll have to dump elemental precision |
| 19:20.26 | chiper | Ozguli: sadly no, you have to switch it in the chat pane menu |
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| 19:20.42 | Ozguli | I don't have such button anymore |
| 19:20.43 | Ozguli | no idea why |
| 19:20.57 | xyu | some addon probably |
| 19:21.01 | xyu | many of them remove that |
| 19:21.16 | Ozguli | I've tried even without o.O |
| 19:21.57 | chiper | you're holding the mouse over the chat frame and the tabs dont appear? |
| 19:22.18 | Ozguli | I mean the menu doesn't have the option |
| 19:22.46 | chiper | oh, hmm |
| 19:22.54 | chiper | I'm at work so I cant look for it |
| 19:23.07 | NeoTron | warlocks really need a (destruction) +hit talent |
| 19:23.16 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 19:23.49 | CIA-9 | 03pb_ee1 * r59675 10LZProfiler/ (LZProfiler.lua Locale.lua): LZProfiler: Adding tradeskill specializations. |
| 19:26.51 | kneeki | Hmm, odd... |
| 19:27.16 | deltron | I hate how people keep on telling me I need a ton of +hit when I get 9% from talents :P |
| 19:27.45 | Bibi | you need more than that deltron. |
| 19:28.20 | deltron | I have 145 in addition to talents |
| 19:28.30 | deltron | for melee |
| 19:28.53 | deltron | though I'm fairly new to the melee thing |
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| 19:29.09 | chiper | shammy? |
| 19:29.09 | deltron | half of my damage is either hit-capped or spell heh |
| 19:29.10 | kneeki | http://www.wowi.pastey.net/81434 <- that's a snippet from my XML file, spellName is returning the correct spell name, but it's not PickupSpell is not working. Any ideas why? |
| 19:29.14 | deltron | yeah shaman |
| 19:30.16 | kneeki | ... spell name, but PickupSpell() is not picking up the spell .... |
| 19:30.25 | kneeki | for those having trouble reading through my babble |
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| 19:31.32 | kneeki | The reason I'm disabiling the button is because when you attempt to pickup the spell without disabling, it will still cast it. |
| 19:33.59 | kergoth | man.. i like baggins |
| 19:34.05 | kergoth | but jesus is configuring it crazy |
| 19:34.13 | kergoth | multiple bags, multiple sections, multiple categories, multiple rules |
| 19:34.17 | Ellipsis` | baggins makes me happy in the pants |
| 19:34.31 | kergoth | wtb a place to share baggins profiles / setups |
| 19:34.56 | NeoTron | which is why I have them nicely sorted/separated in one :P |
| 19:35.08 | kergoth | what i always hated about baggins was not having a way to buy bag slots and equip bags |
| 19:35.19 | kergoth | well, bank slots, you get the point |
| 19:35.21 | Ellipsis` | I like to be able to have one bag open without having my entire screen filled with inventory junk |
| 19:35.43 | NeoTron | wow. our mages have 105-140 spell hit rating with arcane spec |
| 19:35.51 | NeoTron | the really have very little to go to get hit maxed for fire |
| 19:36.04 | kergoth | iirc i set up my random tidbits addon to set up /bags to unhide the bag bar in bartender/bongos |
| 19:36.08 | NeoTron | and waste quite a few points on spell hit they don't need |
| 19:36.10 | kergoth | whenever baggins was loaded |
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| 19:37.03 | Ellipsis` | meh, I almost never need to touch that stuff on my main, and I just keep the bag bar and default bank enabled on alts |
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| 19:40.44 | thul | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070531-231207.jpg |
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| 19:47.14 | deltron | the One* bag mods are pretty decent |
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| 19:51.41 | Primer | nothing wrong with that picture |
| 19:53.08 | Primer | I'm curious...a friend of mine told me he had seen an addon that did exactly what mine does, which is to display a fighter jet style HUD for flying, yet I've never found one. Does anyone here know of such a mod? |
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| 19:56.24 | chiper | I've seen at least three |
| 19:56.34 | chiper | but I hate that style, so I just pass them over |
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| 19:57.22 | Nefarion | anyone have a minute, and wouldn't mind peeking out a code to help me find an issue? the code's failing silently, and seemingly randomly and i can't figure it out. |
| 19:57.32 | Primer | chiper: can you recall their names? URLs? |
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| 19:57.39 | Primer | perhaps some search terms? |
| 19:57.43 | kneeki | What's wrong Nefarion? |
| 19:57.54 | Nefarion | here's the code |
| 19:57.56 | Nefarion | http://pastey.net/81437 |
| 19:58.09 | Nefarion | i'm trying to make a /delay function for non-secure macro code |
| 19:58.22 | Nefarion | at random, the /delay input just fails silently |
| 19:58.42 | Arrowmaster | whats wrong with /in? |
| 19:58.51 | Nefarion | ? |
| 19:59.11 | Nefarion | is there an /in? |
| 19:59.20 | chiper | icehud? that may have been one |
| 19:59.26 | Arrowmaster | from aceevent |
| 19:59.26 | Primer | line 42, oddly enough |
| 19:59.30 | kergoth | woa, gemologist looks nice, i was looking for exactly that |
| 19:59.36 | kergoth | tinderbox: :) |
| 19:59.57 | Nefarion | aceevent registers a macro delay feature? |
| 20:00.00 | Nefarion | that's wierd |
| 20:00.18 | Arrowmaster | and im confused with your code |
| 20:00.28 | Nefarion | how so? |
| 20:00.33 | Arrowmaster | oh nvm found the onupdate |
| 20:00.42 | Primer | chiper: checking |
| 20:01.11 | chiper | theres not that many HUDs, just search for HUD :/ |
| 20:01.14 | Nefarion | i added debug messages. at random, it doesn't execute anything in the onupdate, and once that happens i can't get it to work without a reload |
| 20:01.30 | Primer | chiper: except most people think of a HUD as a thing to contain HP and Mana |
| 20:01.37 | Primer | and various other info |
| 20:01.47 | Primer | chiper: http://sh.nu/FlightHUD/ <-- is what I did |
| 20:02.19 | Arrowmaster | whats with the del(tremove(timers,i)) |
| 20:02.29 | chiper | ohhh, that kind of hud |
| 20:02.30 | Primer | hence my difficulty in finding something similar |
| 20:02.33 | chiper | no, havent seen that |
| 20:02.38 | Nefarion | should remove the table at i or timers, no? |
| 20:02.43 | Nefarion | del deletes a table |
| 20:02.48 | Nefarion | i of timers* |
| 20:02.56 | chiper | that's kinda cool, I might have to check that out |
| 20:03.08 | kergoth | tinderbox: feature request for gemologist, whenever you get the basic functionality working. i craft stuff on my jc char but sell it on my bank char, and your current db.char usage means that doesn't work well atm |
| 20:03.08 | Nefarion | with the debug messages, it showed it successfully deleting the table |
| 20:03.11 | chiper | can it be set to hide if I select a unit? |
| 20:03.11 | Primer | chiper: please do. I haven't heard from anyone else that's tried it |
| 20:03.14 | Nefarion | and i made the timers table global to check that |
| 20:03.32 | chiper | primer: is that on WAU? |
| 20:03.46 | Primer | chiper: I applied for SVN access but have not yet heard back |
| 20:03.52 | Primer | I applied yesterday |
| 20:04.20 | chiper | primer: does it have an option to hide when I select a unit? it'd get in the way of MetaHUD if it doesnt |
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| 20:05.13 | Primer | chiper: there are options to display it: always, when you mount any riding mount, only a flying mount, and never |
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| 20:05.35 | Primer | but I suppose I could make it hide when you have something targeted |
| 20:05.49 | Primer | check the video :) |
| 20:06.19 | chiper | I'm chatting via VNC, video doesnt work so well :) |
| 20:06.52 | Nefarion | Arrowmaster: i made the timers table global to check what was happening, and when it fails silently, the entry is properly put into timers. the problem i think is in the onupdate function. |
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| 20:11.07 | Primer | chiper: well, the text on the page describes the features. I've only been coding this for a few days now, and haven't really had a chance to consider other people's UI layouts |
| 20:12.06 | Nefarion | anyone else want to take a shot at this? |
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| 20:16.11 | ckknight_ | does anyone want to temporarily give me an ssh account so I can use irssi? |
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| 20:18.11 | ckknight_ | hey |
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| 20:20.12 | chiper | primer: only things I can think of are options to hide when unit selected, total scale, and x/y offsets |
| 20:20.33 | chiper | color control would be nice too, but not a nessesity |
| 20:20.47 | Nefarion | umm |
| 20:21.15 | Nefarion | does anyone see any reason the onupdate function here would simply stop executing on each frame? http://pastey.net/81437 |
| 20:21.39 | Primer | chiper: I'd like to add color control but those are images. I'm not sure if creating a "bland" image and then coloring it is even possible |
| 20:21.39 | Nefarion | because at random, it is. i added a global to track when it gets executed, and at some point it stops. |
| 20:22.21 | Primer | but if it is, I'll do it :) |
| 20:22.21 | Primer | chiper: thanks for the opinions though, I'll add them to my TODO list |
| 20:22.25 | chiper | isnt there a library for doing drawing like that? _routes uses it |
| 20:22.40 | chiper | and if you haven't done so already rock/fubar/waterfall support is a nice extra touch |
| 20:23.26 | Primer | chiper: currently I only have "cartographer integration" in my TODO |
| 20:23.40 | chiper | no no no, there's a graphics library |
| 20:24.13 | Primer | as in, grabbing the "set waypoint" in cartographer and overlaying the point with the name and distance in my HUD, and making the cartographer arrow not appear...presuming that's possible |
| 20:24.30 | chiper | that would be neat |
| 20:24.31 | Primer | well, I explored using drawing primitives to do this at first |
| 20:24.40 | Primer | but people told me there was no such thing |
| 20:25.00 | Primer | guess that's what I get for believing people... :) |
| 20:25.16 | chiper | _routes uses it to draw the lines between nodes. I think it's the same library recount uses for it's graphs |
| 20:25.30 | chiper | if I was at home I could look it up :/ |
| 20:25.32 | Nefarion | i found the issue. ChatEdit_SendText will randomly hide the edit box its executing. |
| 20:25.43 | Nefarion | thus killing OnUpdate |
| 20:25.58 | chiper | but I definately have a use for this, I tend to get turned around when I'm on my mount |
| 20:26.07 | chiper | especially in big open areas like tanaris |
| 20:26.41 | chiper | oh, another option, hiding pitch when on land mount |
| 20:27.11 | chiper | ok, I'm off to lunch. afk |
| 20:27.45 | Primer | chiper: ahh excellent idea |
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| 20:37.10 | cyn | anyone around i have a question about a mod |
| 20:37.28 | Pkekyo| | ~asktoask |
| 20:37.28 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:38.11 | Pkekyo| | chiper: if you're correct then that's hell of a better ending for I Am Legend than the movie version |
| 20:38.12 | cyn | well basically NECB has a spell tracker for players i.e. when a pali used DI |
| 20:38.20 | cyn | it shows when DI will end |
| 20:39.38 | cyn | same with other players ablities, d you all knwo if there is a simple mod that shows something liek this |
| 20:41.27 | mort | antagonist iirc |
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| 20:43.41 | Fin | cyn: ClassTimer |
| 20:43.49 | cyn | i use classtimer |
| 20:43.51 | Fin | Quartz |
| 20:43.52 | cyn | and love it |
| 20:43.54 | Fin | Buffalo |
| 20:44.01 | Fin | SBF |
| 20:44.16 | kadrahil | how is it possible |
| 20:44.17 | dylanm | Fin: The two you mentioned would only track it if the paladin remained the target, no? |
| 20:44.22 | kadrahil | that pitbull can tell me a hunter is level 61 |
| 20:44.24 | kadrahil | when i'm 45 |
| 20:44.28 | kadrahil | (the other faction) |
| 20:44.34 | Fin | oh, for other targets? |
| 20:44.36 | cyn | dyl, yes you are correct |
| 20:44.43 | mort | sbf cant track enemy buffs |
| 20:44.45 | Fin | er, other players? |
| 20:44.49 | Fin | try Afflicted |
| 20:44.54 | Ellipsis | Fin: http://www.wowmb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15357 |
| 20:45.00 | dylanm | kadrahil: It uses the talent bug. |
| 20:45.21 | Fin | Ellipsis: you are so awesome! thanks! |
| 20:45.27 | kadrahil | dylanm: ooh |
| 20:45.40 | dylanm | kadrahil: You can get the talent inspection information on the opposite faction. The number of points they put in should give it away unless they're forgetful. |
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| 20:45.47 | Ellipsis | I try :) |
| 20:45.48 | kadrahil | dylanm: yeah |
| 20:45.57 | Dezzimal | Fin: quartz need the ability to filter debuffs though :/ |
| 20:45.57 | kadrahil | dylanm: i knew that was possible since Proximo does the same thing in arenas |
| 20:45.59 | kneeki | !rating 1950 |
| 20:46.00 | Xinhuan | 1950 rating gives 986(5s), 868(3s) and 749(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 20:46.14 | Dezzimal | I don't want to see two mindflay castbars |
| 20:46.35 | dylanm | Huh |
| 20:47.14 | genetik | i've always been confused as to why quartz tracks the duration of your mindflay also |
| 20:47.28 | cyn | hmm |
| 20:47.31 | Dezzimal | I'd like to get rid of misery as well |
| 20:47.32 | Fin | Dezzimal: have you tried using the options in "Interface Options"? |
| 20:47.44 | cyn | im kinda lost now :p |
| 20:47.44 | durcyn | it's a target debuff with a duration, genetik, there is no filtering. |
| 20:47.46 | Fin | I mean, the defautl blizzard one |
| 20:47.52 | kd3 | anyone know of any good data collection addons? quests/npcs and the like? trying to get something slightly less painful than manually typing in quest info on the wiki once 2.4 hits |
| 20:48.00 | Fin | MobMap |
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| 20:48.07 | Fin | LightHeaded |
| 20:48.09 | Fin | QuestHelper |
| 20:48.13 | cyn | NECB woudl track anythign inrange with name on player casted ablities |
| 20:48.23 | Provus | Is it possible to create a script that will stop a grenade cast but nothing else? |
| 20:48.27 | Fin | (+kd3:) |
| 20:48.29 | Provus | When I hit the appropiate button of course |
| 20:48.44 | kd3 | don't all of those need pre-generated databases? |
| 20:48.50 | cyn | NECB is so bloaty |
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| 20:49.03 | Fin | oh you want something to collect as you go, kd3? |
| 20:49.07 | dylanm | cyn: NECB remains probably the most complete of all of the trackers. You pay a price for that. |
| 20:49.18 | cyn | @fin, do you use buffalo or elk? |
| 20:49.19 | dylanm | But I think bela will improve it. |
| 20:49.24 | kd3 | ya. I'll be running it on the PTR to collect stuff so I can mass-add it all to the wiki |
| 20:49.26 | cyn | which do you liek better i shoudl say |
| 20:49.36 | Fin | QuestHistory then maybe? I don't know if that still works |
| 20:49.45 | Dezzimal | I really do like quartz though in that it shows me only the debuffs on my current target |
| 20:49.51 | Dezzimal | even though I can't filter them |
| 20:50.11 | Fin | cyn, I use Buffalo |
| 20:50.28 | dylanm | cyn: I would try looking into Afflicted for PvP use. It's easy to set up your own triggers for the stuff you care about. |
| 20:50.39 | cyn | okay |
| 20:50.45 | cyn | thanks |
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| 20:50.59 | dylanm | Shadowed wrote it so you know it's pimp. |
| 20:51.05 | Fin | -e |
| 20:51.27 | Fin | he's like Kemayo, lots of handy little mods |
| 20:51.39 | cyn | buffalo or buffalo2? |
| 20:52.02 | Fin | although I'd vote for Kemayo come the revolution |
| 20:52.06 | Fin | just the normal one |
| 20:52.12 | Fin | Bufallo2 confuses me |
| 20:53.21 | dylanm | cyn: The only thing is that I think Afflicted is just for tracking what others do. It doesn't track durations of things you cast on others, so you'd have to find something to do that. |
| 20:53.25 | dylanm | If you need that. |
| 20:54.34 | cyn | nah i want soewmthign to track DS, POM, Trinkets |
| 20:54.34 | cyn | i have somethign that tracks what i do to targets |
| 20:54.34 | dylanm | Score. |
| 20:54.34 | Fin | kd3: EveryQuest might be something approaching useful for you, maybe |
| 20:54.37 | cyn | classtimers is sweet fro that |
| 20:54.46 | cyn | Afflicted = ace mod? |
| 20:54.48 | Kivin | cyn: you want to know when someone performs an action, or do you want to know what buffs a target has? |
| 20:54.50 | Fin | no |
| 20:54.57 | dylanm | cyn: Nope. |
| 20:55.04 | cyn | preforms an action |
| 20:55.13 | dylanm | kd3: Maybe take a look at the wowhead client? |
| 20:55.22 | cyn | that has a timer on the remainign duration |
| 20:55.24 | Kivin | a really minimal use of MSBT (and possibly other scrolling text) would do it |
| 20:55.40 | Kivin | I get "Mage's Name: PRESENCE OF MIND" on my screen when a mage POMs |
| 20:55.49 | kd3 | I've been thinking about using that or thott's mod. trying to decide if I could refactor those for my needs. |
| 20:55.55 | dylanm | Kivin: Yeah I set up a bunch of MSBT triggers too. |
| 20:56.08 | Kivin | For all the good it does me. Gives me 2 seconds of warning before he hurls a ball of ownage down my throat |
| 20:56.29 | cyn | i knwo this is alem but the reason why i want this is so that i can queue up a cast when i see that Devine shield is going down in 2.4 seconds |
| 20:56.45 | dylanm | Hehe. |
| 20:56.56 | Kivin | I've learned to just count DSes in my head |
| 20:56.57 | cyn | maybe i shoudl sjut use NECB...it jsut is so big and bulky |
| 20:57.09 | Kivin | I can have an aimed shot hit almost exactly when the bubble drops |
| 20:57.41 | dylanm | There are replacements out there, but if necb does exactly what you want..... |
| 20:57.52 | cyn | it does |
| 20:58.00 | cyn | :( |
| 20:58.01 | Kivin | i wish there was some good docs somewhere on how to use secure drivers and action templates |
| 20:58.15 | dylanm | With people who have sane ideas about code in charge now I think it'll only get better. |
| 20:58.37 | CIA-9 | 03gagorian * r59677 10DrDamage/ (Data/Rogue.lua Melee.lua): |
| 20:58.37 | CIA-9 | DrDamage: |
| 20:58.37 | CIA-9 | - Hemo is normalized and sinister calling is additive |
| 20:59.10 | cyn | also is there a palce where i can update all my beta acemods at once (liek ace updater does for non beta mods? |
| 20:59.34 | deltron | umm svn? |
| 20:59.38 | Kivin | I don't think authors follow a very uniform way of handling their pre-stable mods. |
| 20:59.50 | Kivin | You're going to have to download them by hand from the ace trunks, or peoples' googlecodes |
| 20:59.57 | cyn | figured |
| 21:00.00 | cyn | no worries |
| 21:00.04 | cyn | not hard |
| 21:00.04 | dylanm | The convention established is so backwards but whatever. |
| 21:00.31 | Kivin | shrug, i just use googlecode, mostly. then i can do whatever the crap i want |
| 21:01.09 | potemkin | how do i get a frame made in xml to not load coordinates from layout-cache |
| 21:01.26 | dylanm | And that's fine. What I hate is when people complain about that :p |
| 21:02.34 | cyn | okay gooan get lunch ill be back later |
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| 21:09.53 | CIA-9 | DrDamage: |
| 21:09.53 | CIA-9 | - Hemo debuff doesn't apply to bleeds |
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| 21:10.18 | neenee | ooh, big jwowupdater update |
| 21:10.45 | Kivin | eww, I'm getting an error from within the Ace3 framework. |
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| 21:31.11 | Chompers | finally going for kael |
| 21:31.53 | genetik | good luck |
| 21:32.19 | Chompers | just on the trash in his room |
| 21:32.27 | genetik | heh |
| 21:32.31 | genetik | i'm not a big fan of his trash |
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| 21:33.16 | Chompers | melee all dead from the whirlwind, nice |
| 21:33.40 | EvilJohn | that never happens |
| 21:33.44 | deltron | lol yeah. we had that issue last night lol |
| 21:34.04 | Arrowmaster | thats why you learn to deal with the aoes |
| 21:34.28 | Chompers | the fearing is okay |
| 21:34.30 | genetik | aka: spam polymorph |
| 21:34.31 | deltron | I'm a resto gone enhancement, all this melee stuff is new to me |
| 21:34.32 | deltron | heh |
| 21:34.34 | Chompers | but god damn its unforgiving |
| 21:35.05 | genetik | i have my mages spam polymorph on the centurions even while we're killing them |
| 21:35.30 | EvilJohn | sometimes, the mages even do it |
| 21:35.36 | genetik | haha |
| 21:35.40 | deltron | I learned to hate centurions with a passion last night lol |
| 21:36.28 | Primer | Heh, http://wowwiki.com/Recipe:_Haste_Potion dropped and I selected need, being an alchemist. Dude in the instance got all pissy |
| 21:36.39 | genetik | that mob definitely ranks up there in my list of hated trash mobs |
| 21:37.14 | Primer | I didn't realize this was one of 9 high level BoE world drop alch recipes |
| 21:37.38 | Primer | I could have sold it for quite a bit, except I learned it |
| 21:37.50 | Primer | I wonder what the demand for the actual pot is |
| 21:37.59 | EvilJohn | it's not trash, it's a pacing mechanism |
| 21:38.13 | EvilJohn | and is vital the raiding experience |
| 21:38.15 | genetik | right.. tactical random whatever spawn heuristics? |
| 21:38.26 | EvilJohn | othewise you wouldnt' haveto wait an hour before wiping on kael for 3 hours |
| 21:38.30 | EvilJohn | very important |
| 21:38.48 | genetik | meh.. 20 minutes if we don't have a mage wipe us |
| 21:38.49 | genetik | heh |
| 21:39.07 | genetik | i'm a big fan of vashj trash |
| 21:39.28 | genetik | also razorgore and vaelastrasz trash |
| 21:40.00 | genetik | nefarian |
| 21:40.16 | genetik | hell.. bwl trash in general |
| 21:40.17 | genetik | heh |
| 21:40.38 | Megalon | broodlord trash? :P |
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| 21:41.16 | genetik | heh.. i liked the suppression roo |
| 21:41.17 | genetik | m |
| 21:41.28 | EvilJohn | that was really part of the boss encounter |
| 21:41.33 | genetik | sense of urgency, etc |
| 21:41.37 | Gnarfoz | vashj has no trash, or did you mean the other bosses in SSC |
| 21:41.44 | genetik | Gnarfoz: heh.. no trash :P |
| 21:41.46 | EvilJohn | and I think in a TBC world, it would have been part of it directly |
| 21:42.57 | Gnarfoz | but I concur, TK trash is really some of the nastiest I've seen so far, and they already toned it down some time ago -.- still very melee unfriendly |
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| 21:43.19 | genetik | i just wish trash weren't so repetitive |
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| 21:44.11 | EvilJohn | if clearing 1 group is fun, clearing 10 more of it must be 10x as fun |
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| 21:44.31 | genetik | or when there's reputation to be gotten from the trash |
| 21:44.45 | genetik | i don't mind it then |
| 21:44.49 | Twist- | they could have skipped the stupid beveled edges and done that |
| 21:44.52 | genetik | because there are usually rep rewards |
| 21:44.52 | Twist- | er.. MT |
| 21:45.30 | MySpoons2Big | Anyone know why I'm getting spammed with this error in Recount? "Recount-$Revision: 59671 $\Sync.lua:191: AceComm-2.0: `SetCommPrefix' must be called before sending a message." |
| 21:45.59 | NeoTron | rep and items from hyjal trash is great |
| 21:46.01 | NeoTron | except for me |
| 21:46.06 | NeoTron | who has to run around master loot it |
| 21:46.20 | NeoTron | it was especially bad when we wipedon the bosses and all the dead trash despawned |
| 21:46.42 | Xinhuan | MySpoons2Big: it means you have an outdated Recount |
| 21:47.24 | MySpoons2Big | Xinhuan: I just updated directly from the SVN. |
| 21:47.32 | Xinhuan | when was this? |
| 21:47.43 | MySpoons2Big | Less than 30 minutes ago. |
| 21:48.02 | genetik | NeoTron: any benefit from using master loot in hyjal? |
| 21:48.10 | genetik | or is that just how you guys have always rolled |
| 21:48.19 | genetik | (pun intended) |
| 21:48.20 | Xinhuan | it appears the last commit broke it, revert to 59628 |
| 21:48.25 | NeoTron | genetik: always rolled that way |
| 21:48.30 | genetik | k |
| 21:48.35 | NeoTron | and annoying to get loot boxes while killing waves |
| 21:48.48 | MySpoons2Big | Ok, thanks Xinhuan. |
| 21:49.06 | genetik | NeoTron: <3 bartender for adding the ability to scale and move that shit |
| 21:49.12 | EvilJohn | too bad blizzard don't get some real looting api |
| 21:49.33 | EvilJohn | so it would be easier on the dkp raid tracking addons |
| 21:49.47 | EvilJohn | and easier to indentify serial combat looters |
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| 21:50.09 | chiper | yeah, the loot system needs a serious overhaul |
| 21:50.24 | chiper | maybe they can do that after the combat log |
| 21:50.26 | raylu | dkp = ? |
| 21:50.28 | genetik | i wish they would have included that in the 2.4 combat log changes |
| 21:50.38 | EvilJohn | yeah |
| 21:50.39 | EvilJohn | me too |
| 21:50.43 | genetik | i can't imagine it's that different of a system on their end |
| 21:50.52 | genetik | just another event |
| 21:51.12 | chiper | all they need is to add some event hooks and a couple functions for master loot assignment |
| 21:51.35 | EvilJohn | I want to know who looted what from what |
| 21:51.37 | genetik | simpler than that |
| 21:51.43 | genetik | just say from what it was looted |
| 21:51.43 | raylu | xloot monitor? |
| 21:51.51 | chiper | john: cant you get that by parsing the log? |
| 21:51.59 | genetik | chiper: guess-work |
| 21:52.00 | chiper | oh, from what |
| 21:52.11 | genetik | yeah |
| 21:52.14 | raylu | o.0 |
| 21:52.17 | EvilJohn | and who initiated a loot even, for combat looters |
| 21:52.17 | raylu | is there a dns issue with the svn? |
| 21:52.20 | EvilJohn | so I can beat them |
| 21:52.41 | raylu | nevermind |
| 21:52.53 | chiper | it'd also be nice if master looting didnt require the master to have to go to each body |
| 21:53.07 | chiper | have it pop up on his screen like group loot does |
| 21:53.32 | genetik | well, someone would have to trigger the loot |
| 21:53.38 | EvilJohn | combat log parsing would be welcome, I can't imagine the looting would be all that big of a difference |
| 21:53.39 | genetik | i wouldn't want it to come up as soon as the mob dies |
| 21:53.48 | chiper | true |
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| 21:54.05 | chiper | a single window interface would be nice, and only have it come up when combat ends |
| 21:54.34 | Chompers | do melee go in for sanguinar? |
| 21:54.42 | chiper | I would LOVE it if looting could be disabled while in combat |
| 21:55.01 | genetik | Chompers: yes |
| 21:55.10 | chiper | had a ZF run the other night where the melee kept looting the bosses while the rest of us were still fighting adds |
| 21:55.11 | genetik | they just get feared |
| 21:55.13 | genetik | heh |
| 21:57.49 | Chompers | har har |
| 21:57.52 | Chompers | total wipe on phase 2 |
| 21:59.02 | genetik | that'll happen if your tanks aren't ready to pick up the weapons |
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| 22:05.07 | Chompers | in p3 when they're ressed do they hit as hard as p1? |
| 22:05.17 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 22:05.27 | nevcairiel | (but, they hit hard?) |
| 22:05.56 | deltron | yes they do, but you have to deal with all 4 |
| 22:06.11 | deltron | same I mean |
| 22:06.15 | Chompers | as a dps warrior i couldnt take hits from sanguinar |
| 22:06.21 | Chompers | so it hits hard for me :P |
| 22:06.29 | deltron | nobody is supposed to but tanks |
| 22:06.44 | nevcairiel | the fireball chick is easy tho, one healer can keep the warlock alive easily with the fire debuff |
| 22:06.56 | nevcairiel | so you have alot of healers free |
| 22:07.04 | deltron | we put 2 locks on fireball chick |
| 22:07.11 | Chompers | just feels like alot is going on at once |
| 22:07.27 | nevcairiel | in p3 its not necessary, with staff aura conflag doesnt irritate you |
| 22:07.31 | nevcairiel | only adds some dmg |
| 22:07.31 | deltron | there is a lot hehe |
| 22:08.18 | RaydenU | warriors suck |
| 22:08.20 | RaydenU | druids> warriors |
| 22:08.21 | Kivin | If I do ten arena matches on three alts, 4-3-3 rounds respectively, I should get equal points on all three characters, amirite? |
| 22:08.44 | EvilJohn | getting everyone caster debuff from the staff can be challenging |
| 22:08.48 | EvilJohn | range issues come into play |
| 22:09.14 | deltron | Kivin: as long as everyone has 30% games played |
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| 22:09.40 | CIA-9 | LibDogTag-2.0 - add Romanize modifier, turns Arabic numbers into Roman numerals. |
| 22:09.40 | CIA-9 | For >= 4000, it just returns the number, cause I can't show V with a bar over |
| 22:09.40 | CIA-9 | it. For negatives, it shows - before the numeral. For zero, it shows N. This can |
| 22:09.40 | CIA-9 | be useful for turning cast ranks into roman numerals, or if you're feeling |
| 22:09.41 | CIA-9 | frisky, your health and mana points. |
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| 22:12.12 | [Ammo] | wow, when will dogtag be able to clean my kitchen? |
| 22:12.34 | ckknight | a few more patches |
| 22:12.39 | [Ammo] | cool |
| 22:12.42 | [Ammo] | lemme know :) |
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| 22:13.37 | raylu | when do you add mind-reading? |
| 22:14.08 | dylanm | [WhatTheHellIsTedThinking] |
| 22:14.51 | Xinhuan | [KillIllidanPlease] |
| 22:15.55 | Arrowmaster | why cant you display 4000 as a roman numeral? |
| 22:16.19 | Ellipsis-- | because the symbol for 5000 can't be displayed |
| 22:16.25 | Chompers | if p2 is hard, holy crap at the last phase |
| 22:16.26 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it's V with a bar on top |
| 22:16.33 | ckknight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals |
| 22:16.34 | RaydenU | http://www.wowwiki.com/Intimidation <-- druids can polymorph out of this? |
| 22:16.51 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was ? |
| 22:17.14 | Arrowmaster | which i apparently cant copypaste from charmap |
| 22:17.22 | Xinhuan | so there is no utf8 symbol for V with a bar on top? |
| 22:17.51 | Arrowmaster | theres utf8 symbols for roman numerals |
| 22:18.07 | Arrowmaster | but wows default fonts dont have that many symbols in them |
| 22:18.24 | deltron | Chompers: p5 is very easy for kael |
| 22:18.43 | Chompers | really? |
| 22:18.48 | deltron | yeah |
| 22:18.51 | Xinhuan | p5 is the easiest phase lol |
| 22:18.57 | Chompers | p2 is kinda "oh shit weapons arghghgh *dead*" |
| 22:19.03 | deltron | p3 is the hardest |
| 22:20.27 | Grum | p5 is nearly like void-phase of solarian :p |
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| 22:23.33 | ckknight | Xinhuan: can't find it |
| 22:23.57 | Arrowmaster | U+2181 |
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| 22:24.50 | Arrowmaster | but its not a V with a - over it |
| 22:25.11 | thul | http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2008/029/7/1/Moan_by_cainadamsson.jpg |
| 22:25.19 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: yea, that's the very old kind |
| 22:25.47 | Arrowmaster | but all the unicode fonts im finding with it use that symbol |
| 22:26.01 | ckknight | oh well |
| 22:26.14 | Arrowmaster | does wows font even have it? |
| 22:27.27 | NeoTron | Grum: we wiped several times in p5 |
| 22:27.35 | NeoTron | because the tanks didn't avoid the clouds... |
| 22:27.41 | NeoTron | and ended up with like 900 HP |
| 22:27.47 | Grum | clouds? |
| 22:27.51 | Grum | that is 'tank was in melee range' |
| 22:27.55 | NeoTron | nope |
| 22:27.57 | NeoTron | the clouds move |
| 22:28.01 | NeoTron | out of melee range |
| 22:28.04 | Grum | he has some small aura around him |
| 22:28.12 | NeoTron | it's actually moving entities |
| 22:28.18 | Grum | never seen clouds tbh :P |
| 22:28.20 | NeoTron | we thought it was a small aura and that's why we failed |
| 22:28.28 | NeoTron | they are incredibly hard to see |
| 22:28.29 | cyn | Shows Debuffs/buffs (e.g. Sheep timers), Casts, Gains, Stuns,Cooldowns, Diminishing Returns by Bars |
| 22:28.35 | NeoTron | but you can see their shadow on the ground |
| 22:28.48 | cyn | i have tried reccomened afflicted but it doenst really do waht im lookgin for |
| 22:30.02 | Grum | Nether Vapor - during the Gravity Lapse stage, anyone within 8 yards of Kael'thas will get a debuff that ticks every 5 seconds or so which deals about 900 shadow damage and reduces total HP of the player by 10%, lasting for 1 minute. This debuff stacks up to 9 times. |
| 22:30.21 | NeoTron | Grum: that is invalid |
| 22:30.40 | NeoTron | if your tanks move out of melee range and stands still there, they are likely to get the debuff |
| 22:30.54 | CIA-9 | 03shen * r59684 10PoliteWhisper/PoliteWhisper.lua: PoliteWhisper Extended: fixed "attempt to index a nil value" error when whispering a mage, rogue or warlock. |
| 22:31.03 | Grum | just move away from him, its not hard orso O.o |
| 22:31.17 | NeoTron | i know that now |
| 22:31.44 | NeoTron | obviousl don't wipe from that anymore. however if you beleive that quote you posted it might wipe you like it did us |
| 22:31.46 | ckknight | okay, apparently (V) == 5000 |
| 22:31.50 | ckknight | so I'm gonna go with that |
| 22:33.21 | Hobby | > MX ? |
| 22:34.58 | ckknight | Hobby: 1010? |
| 22:34.58 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r59685 10GridLayoutPlus/ (GridLayoutPlus.lua Locale-enUS.lua): |
| 22:34.58 | CIA-9 | GridLayoutPlus: |
| 22:34.58 | CIA-9 | - Added all group layout sizes for any raid size |
| 22:34.58 | CIA-9 | - Added an option to auto adjust the layout depending on the raid size (some code stolen from GridAutoFrameSize) |
| 22:34.58 | CIA-9 | - Renamed the "By Class" to "By Sorted Class" to make sure people understand it's different. |
| 22:36.45 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r59686 10GridStatusHealer/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
| 22:36.45 | CIA-9 | GridStatusHealer: |
| 22:36.45 | CIA-9 | - Changed zhTW to make sure it doesn't cause errors. Still need translations. |
| 22:38.18 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r59687 10LibDogTag-2.0/LibDogTag-2.0.lua: LibDogTag-2.0 - make :Romanize support larger numbers by going with the standard (V) = 5000. |
| 22:38.48 | Arrowmaster | are you using uppercase or lowercase? |
| 22:39.02 | Grum | NeoTron: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=35859 |
| 22:39.06 | Grum | it is just 8 yards |
| 22:40.04 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: uppercase, but you can make it lowercase easily |
| 22:40.23 | ckknight | [CurHP:Romanize:Lower] |
| 22:40.39 | Arrowmaster | U+0305 after a lowercase v |
| 22:40.40 | Arrowmaster | try it |
| 22:40.41 | ckknight | mark my words, someone will have their UI use roman numerals for everything. |
| 22:41.24 | Ellipsis1 | you need to add roman numeral support to clockfu now |
| 22:41.28 | Ellipsis1 | so they can make that dream come true |
| 22:41.33 | Sais | ckknight: Even the letters! |
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| 22:42.11 | Arrowmaster | vı |
| 22:42.21 | Sais | < vım |
| 22:42.33 | Arrowmaster | mirc still fails at unicode |
| 22:42.45 | Sais | it does? |
| 22:42.53 | Xinhuan | what font is that |
| 22:42.58 | Arrowmaster | not displaying some properly for me |
| 22:42.59 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it's V? in WoW |
| 22:43.01 | haste | probably you using Fixed, instead of Fixed v3! |
| 22:43.14 | Sais | I think I'm using Verdana |
| 22:43.15 | Arrowmaster | fixed v3 is ugly |
| 22:43.32 | Xinhuan | does it really matter if there's a bar or not above the V? |
| 22:43.36 | Xinhuan | just print a V ;p |
| 22:43.49 | ckknight | Xinhuan: V is 5, V-bar is 5000 |
| 22:44.19 | Sais | For proper Roman numerals, you'd want bars top and bottom and stretching across all elements of the number |
| 22:44.33 | Sais | s/proper/"proper"/ |
| 22:44.34 | Arrowmaster | try seeing how v followed by U+0305 displays in wow |
| 22:44.47 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: I did, it shows "V?" |
| 22:44.52 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 22:44.56 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.00 | Arrowmaster | wow font fails at unicode |
| 22:45.32 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:46.20 | Xinhuan | so i can't find a V-bar in Arial font |
| 22:46.28 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt exist |
| 22:48.34 | ckknight | well, I expect someone to down Illidan using only Roman numerals |
| 22:48.38 | ckknight | chop chop, get to it |
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| 22:50.37 | CIA-9 | 03kneeki * r59688 10BlessingBar/ (BlessingBar.lua localization.lua): |
| 22:50.37 | CIA-9 | BlessingBar: |
| 22:50.37 | CIA-9 | - Fixed some isues which caused the buttons to recreate themself, this should not happen in the future. Cleaned up code a bit. |
| 22:50.56 | sb | !ar 1400 |
| 22:50.57 | ThraeBot | sb: Arena rating from 1400 points is, 2v2: 0, 3v3: 0, 5v5: 2412 |
| 22:51.02 | sb | err |
| 22:51.03 | sb | !ap 1400 |
| 22:51.04 | ThraeBot | sb: Arena points from a rating of 1400 is, 2v2: 244, 3v3: 283, 5v5: 322 |
| 22:51.22 | Dezzimal | wow :/ |
| 22:51.39 | Dezzimal | glad I'm not getting points from a 1400 anything |
| 22:52.05 | CIA-9 | 03kneeki * r59689 10CurseBar/ (CurseBar.lua localization.lua): |
| 22:52.05 | CIA-9 | CurseBar: |
| 22:52.05 | CIA-9 | - Fixed some isues which caused the buttons to recreate themself, this should not happen in the future. Cleaned up code a bit. |
| 22:53.26 | Keias | !ar 500 |
| 22:53.26 | ThraeBot | Keias: Arena rating from 500 points is, 2v2: 1734, 3v3: 1674, 5v5: 1626 |
| 22:53.44 | CIA-9 | 03kneeki * r59690 10SealBar/ (SealBar.lua localization.lua): |
| 22:53.44 | CIA-9 | SealBar: |
| 22:53.44 | CIA-9 | - Fixed some isues which caused the buttons to recreate themself, this should not happen in the future. Cleaned up code a bit. |
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| 22:56.02 | CIA-9 | 03kneeki * r59691 10SummoningBar/ (SummoningBar.lua localization.lua): |
| 22:56.02 | CIA-9 | SummoningBar: |
| 22:56.02 | CIA-9 | - Fixed some isues which caused the buttons to recreate themself, this should not happen in the future. Cleaned up code a bit. |
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| 22:59.14 | raylu | a |
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| 23:08.48 | smoke_ | is there a way to scroll down my sharedmedia texture list in quartz? |
| 23:09.07 | smoke_ | when i change the texture of the focus/target bar, the list goes off the screen and i cant scroll it with mousewheel |
| 23:09.22 | Xinhuan | answer: you're out of luck |
| 23:10.00 | genetik | edit the savedvariables file |
| 23:10.01 | genetik | heh |
| 23:10.20 | genetik | and put in what texture you want |
| 23:10.32 | sb | !ap 1468 |
| 23:10.32 | ThraeBot | sb: Arena points from a rating of 1468 is, 2v2: 256, 3v3: 296, 5v5: 336 |
| 23:10.35 | sb | *sigh* :p |
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| 23:16.11 | buu | NICE RATING. |
| 23:19.40 | CIA-9 | 03merl * r59692 10/branches/mHud/ (13 files in 9 dirs): |
| 23:19.40 | CIA-9 | mHud: |
| 23:19.40 | CIA-9 | - Change: Converted to AceEvent-3.0, not fully tested, some menus might be broken. All message functions get an extra argument. |
| 23:19.40 | CIA-9 | - Change: RAID_CLASS_COLORS for class colors / custom. Allow single color templates. |
| 23:19.41 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Pets should update properly, might need some testing. |
| 23:20.41 | haste | nice boat! |
| 23:20.59 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 23:21.08 | Keias | WoWinterface borked? |
| 23:21.27 | Arrowmaster | 06:09:36p @(Cairenn) wowi down, we know, working on it |
| 23:21.46 | Cairenn | what he said |
| 23:22.07 | Keias | I should start camping other channels :P |
| 23:22.11 | Keias | Thanks for the heads up though |
| 23:22.15 | Cairenn | #wowi-lounge :) |
| 23:23.02 | kergoth | _Merl_: text associated with pet health still doesnt hide when the pet goes away when mounting (UNIT_PET gets fired then, a couple times) |
| 23:23.05 | Xinhuan | when will it be up? any eta? heh |
| 23:23.07 | kergoth | _Merl_: testing at login on the warrior |
| 23:23.58 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: not sure |
| 23:24.38 | kergoth | _Merl_: new error, ...nterface\AddOns\mHud\Modules\SmartFade\SmartFade.lua line 144: |
| 23:24.38 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.40 | kergoth | _Merl_: :) |
| 23:24.43 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r59693 10LibDogTag-2.0/LibDogTag-2.0.lua: |
| 23:24.43 | CIA-9 | LibDogTag-2.0 - make [Text] faster |
| 23:24.43 | CIA-9 | - remove some unneeded negation tags, less initial memory usage because of this. |
| 23:25.07 | CIA-9 | 03ag 07Ace3 * r59694 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_Options.lua modules/auras/auras.lua): ag_UnitFrames: Put some options into inline groups, to make the AceConfigDialog pertier |
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| 23:26.53 | Pkekyo| | gah, I hate it when people refer to EVERYONE as 'bro' |
| 23:27.04 | _Merl_ | kergoth: hehe, yeh, just got the same one myself :) fixed it tho. I'll read up on the pet problem, or change the way "known units" are defined |
| 23:27.07 | Pkekyo| | bloody portughese people |
| 23:27.58 | CIA-9 | 03ag 07Ace3 * r59695 10ag_UnitFrames/modules/auras/auras.lua: ag_UnitFrames: corrected arg value |
| 23:28.16 | cyn | in NECB they have the PvP module that shows gains/durations of the gain they jsut casted |
| 23:28.17 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:28.31 | cyn | is there a mod that shwos this? |
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| 23:31.13 | Diao | http://clockwork-guild.net/solo.jpg i love premades that are badly geared |
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| 23:32.13 | Cairenn | wowi back |
| 23:32.27 | Ellipsis-- | wb wowi |
| 23:32.40 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r59696 10GridLayoutPlus/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 23:32.40 | CIA-9 | GridLayoutPlus: |
| 23:32.40 | CIA-9 | - koKR fixed but still needs translation. |
| 23:35.52 | kergoth | cyn: afflicted maybe? |
| 23:35.55 | CIA-9 | 03merl 07Modules * r59697 10mHud/ (7 files in 3 dirs): mHud: Added the "forgotten directory", and a minor fix. |
| 23:35.58 | kergoth | cyn: or antagonist? |
| 23:36.29 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r59698 10GatherHud/GatherHud.lua: GatherHud: Hide the HuD when in an instance/inn/city |
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| 23:37.30 | Xinhuan | ore prices just increased by 30% on my server |
| 23:37.34 | Xinhuan | i wonder who's the culprit |
| 23:37.46 | Hobby | <-- |
| 23:40.26 | cyn | kk |
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| 23:41.56 | cyn | is antagonist a resource hog? |
| 23:44.31 | Pkekyo| | zomg 1337 xp until level ^^ |
| 23:44.48 | Ellipsis-- | hax |
| 23:45.47 | Pkekyo| | lies |
| 23:45.52 | Pkekyo| | what's with the dashes Ellipsis--? |
| 23:45.56 | Pkekyo| | virtual makeup? :> |
| 23:46.52 | xyu | cyn: in my opinion it is. ^^ |
| 23:47.49 | NightHawkAtWork | Pkekyo|: she's just feeling a little decremented. |
| 23:48.13 | xyu | what's with the | ? |
| 23:48.22 | NightHawkAtWork | he's feeling a little piped! |
| 23:48.28 | NightHawkAtWork | ... yeah, thats not as funny. :( |
| 23:48.43 | Pkekyo| | don't joke about my pipe! |
| 23:49.20 | thul | hmm |
| 23:49.24 | thul | Pkekyo|: did you see my picture? :-P |
| 23:49.38 | kergoth | i prefer afflicted over antagonist, personally, but either shoudl get the job done |
| 23:49.47 | Pkekyo| | thul: the huge one? |
| 23:49.56 | thul | yehaw. |
| 23:49.59 | thul | (all mine are:P) |
| 23:51.02 | potemkin | is there like a simple function |
| 23:51.05 | potemkin | to check if a units out of range |
| 23:51.59 | Diao | out of range for? |
| 23:52.02 | kergoth | out of range of what? |
| 23:52.24 | thul | sex |
| 23:52.25 | thul | penisrange. |
| 23:52.27 | Pkekyo| | yes, yes I did, thul |
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| 23:52.36 | thul | Pkekyo|: nice huh? :-P |
| 23:52.42 | thul | well, bedtime. |
| 23:52.53 | Primer | I imagine there's a specific reason why Blizzard doesn't provide 3D information such as player pitch and Z axis. If this is a case, what are the reasons? Hackers? |
| 23:53.14 | Ellipsis-- | dammit thul! |
| 23:53.18 | ckknight | sleep tight |
| 23:53.20 | ckknight | should Ellipsis-- get jealous? |
| 23:53.20 | thul | Ellipsis--: w00t? :-P |
| 23:53.27 | Ellipsis-- | he's not yours to kiss! |
| 23:53.28 | Diao | botting? |
| 23:53.28 | thul | well, I'mm off, cya tomorrow :-) |
| 23:53.42 | Primer | is it unheard-of for Blizzard to listen to UI developers and add features they desire? |
| 23:53.58 | Pkekyo| | thul: aye |
| 23:54.05 | Primer | Diao: well, bearing is provided |
| 23:54.10 | Pkekyo| | g'nite thul |
| 23:54.14 | Primer | one could "bot" with that alone |
| 23:54.17 | chiper | primer: more likely they just didnt think of it |
| 23:54.42 | chiper | addons cant control character movement, so botting doesnt come into play |
| 23:55.05 | Arrowmaster | Primer: that kinda stuff has been requested before, not likely to be added unless some blizzard interface feature needs it |
| 23:55.13 | Primer | well, most bots read program memory or packets, no? |
| 23:55.30 | Primer | err, video memory |
| 23:55.42 | Primer | Arrowmaster: ok, I was getting to that, but I see you're way ahead of me |
| 23:55.55 | Primer | Arrowmaster: did you see that I added pitch to my addon? |
| 23:56.07 | Primer | it's fake, of course |
| 23:56.29 | Primer | just the camera angle...but as long as you keep the camera behind your mount, it's accurate |
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| 23:56.51 | Elsia | heya |
| 23:57.16 | cyn | anyone here use afflicted? |
| 23:57.43 | Elsia | anyone got a clue what can cause this problem: http://ace.pastey.net/81447 can't reproduce it, and am guessing hosed ace2 install but not sure |
| 23:58.21 | Xinhuan | if :RegisterInfoType is nil |
| 23:58.32 | Xinhuan | it means that function never got loaded |
| 23:58.46 | Xinhuan | it means that file that function is defined in, never got loaded completely |
| 23:59.00 | Xinhuan | because of another run-time error |
| 23:59.18 | Xinhuan | i.e get the error that happened before the one you pasteyed |
| 23:59.35 | Elsia | hmm |
| 23:59.50 | Elsia | not sure what to do with it then, that's the whole bugsack I got posted |
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