| 00:00.06 | Chaud | Gear up and enjoy endgame |
| 00:00.10 | Gnarfoz | I guess you could simply summarize it as: a massive waste of time :D |
| 00:00.13 | elusif | look him up |
| 00:00.24 | elusif | i will link |
| 00:00.35 | Primer | The server at www.wowarmory.com is taking too long to respond. |
| 00:00.37 | Gnarfoz | srsly though, whatever floats your boat, I just don't get it :> |
| 00:00.37 | elusif | i will enjoy endgame and getting there more like this |
| 00:00.56 | elusif | also it would be nice to have enough spare for the epic flying mount as soon as i hit 70 |
| 00:00.58 | elusif | i farm ah |
| 00:01.03 | Chaud | it will be wotlk when you are 70 |
| 00:01.14 | elusif | when is that coming? |
| 00:01.24 | Chaud | the day you hit 70 |
| 00:01.30 | NightHawkAtWork | day before* |
| 00:01.52 | Gnarfoz | 3 weeks after, to maximize the disappointment |
| 00:01.57 | NightHawkAtWork | haha |
| 00:01.57 | elusif | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Outland&n=Elusif |
| 00:02.35 | Gnarfoz | well, fuck Blizzard and ther SJAX armory bullshit >_> |
| 00:03.00 | Gnarfoz | it keeps crashing the damn browser they advertised it as "made for" |
| 00:03.10 | Primer | I wonder if they "publish" the armory pages (i.e. make it static) |
| 00:03.23 | Primer | instead of massive database hits every time people hit the site |
| 00:03.41 | Gnarfoz | what's your guess, based on the performance? :P |
| 00:03.51 | elusif | do any of you have a pvp rogue? |
| 00:03.51 | Primer | My guess would be "no" |
| 00:04.12 | Primer | one thing I also find interesting is that they do client side xml transform for their pages |
| 00:04.21 | Chaud | someone elses that I play once in a while yeah =p |
| 00:04.32 | Chaud | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gurubashi&n=Hyoristyle |
| 00:04.44 | elusif | i'm just wondering if ambush is redundant as opener when you can use cheapshot |
| 00:04.47 | elusif | *click* |
| 00:05.34 | NeoTron | armorylite.com ftw |
| 00:06.52 | NeoTron | they have main stats, talents and rep so far |
| 00:07.29 | Chaud | and yet no images =( |
| 00:07.34 | NeoTron | that's the whole point |
| 00:08.10 | NightHawkAtWork | thats pretty slick |
| 00:09.06 | NightHawkAtWork | It'd be nice if they at least had the item icons, but *shrug* still slick |
| 00:09.12 | Gnarfoz | the whole point, I guess, would be to eliminate all the "SJAX" stuff that makes your browser die in case the armory doesn't reply quickly enough |
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| 00:09.58 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah |
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| 00:10.10 | Chaud | useless for me |
| 00:10.24 | Chaud | I armory to see icons to tell me what kind of gear people are wearing |
| 00:10.28 | NightHawkAtWork | you could probably have a local cache of icons, though. but its an admittedly minor thing :) |
| 00:10.36 | elusif | http://armorylite.com/eu/Outland/elusif |
| 00:10.40 | NightHawkAtWork | Chaud: ... thats silly, because item icons are so often reused. |
| 00:10.46 | elusif | there are pics of the armour too |
| 00:10.55 | elusif | if you slide over the coloured item name a tooltip appears |
| 00:11.00 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63003 10kgPanelsConfig/ (Locales/kgPanels-enUS.lua PanelHelper.lua kgPanelsConfig.lua): kgPanelsConfig: added scale options to config |
| 00:11.05 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: you can mouse over the items to get the icons |
| 00:11.15 | NeoTron | but yeah it would be useful as an option |
| 00:11.16 | Silowyi | !c us whisperwind Halia |
| 00:11.19 | WoWLuaircBot | Silowyi: Halia, Level 70 Draenei Shaman (40/0/21). 11209 HP; 8678 Mana; 129 mana regen; 31 mp5; 10709 Armour; 3.67% melee crit; 224 spell crit; 14 spell hit; 875 +spell dmg/heal; 4.11% dodge; 5.00% block; 371 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 914 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yulbhn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pvymm ][ Updated: Tue Feb 26 19:20:49 2008 EST ]] |
| 00:11.21 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: yeah, i saw :) |
| 00:11.23 | Chaud | IDC, I know what people are wearing by looking at it |
| 00:11.29 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: like i said, minor, just slightly nicer |
| 00:11.44 | Chaud | I just need to know if they are good enough for a heroic or arena team |
| 00:12.26 | NeoTron | Chaud: check spell/melee/ranged/defense statistics? |
| 00:12.32 | Diao | too much work! |
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| 00:12.39 | NightHawkAtWork | Chaud: so you can tell, based purely on the icon, if someone is wearing a Cosmic Lifeband (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28259) or a Violet Signet of the Archamge (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29287) ? |
| 00:12.40 | Silowyi | you know WoWLuaircBot (wow, long name) should have the ability to show pvp team rankings |
| 00:12.45 | Silowyi | something like |
| 00:12.53 | Silowyi | !5v5 us Whisperwind Halia |
| 00:12.58 | Silowyi | !5 us Whisperwind Halia |
| 00:13.00 | Silowyi | or what not |
| 00:13.17 | Chaud | not by individual item n |
| 00:13.18 | Chaud | *no |
| 00:13.23 | Chaud | but overall I can tell |
| 00:13.27 | Gnarfoz | ours does that, but it's not here |
| 00:14.22 | NightHawkAtWork | Chaud: you can mouseover and glance at item names on armory light just as easily as you can process the meaning of item icons, imo. Item icons are "nice", but are really weak for identifying gear |
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| 00:14.39 | Chaud | mouseover takes too long |
| 00:14.48 | NightHawkAtWork | not really |
| 00:15.01 | Chaud | over each item is slow |
| 00:15.12 | keiss | i would make the item name with a bigger font on armorylite , other than that , love it |
| 00:15.13 | dylanm | You could just list them all with the names and a tiny icon I mean would that really be so bad. |
| 00:15.15 | NightHawkAtWork | only takes a few seconds to mousever every item to glance at its name |
| 00:15.25 | Chaud | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gurubashi&n=Chaud |
| 00:15.26 | elusif | !c eu outland elusif |
| 00:15.28 | WoWLuaircBot | elusif: Elusif, Level 48 Gnome Rogue (5/34/0). 2495 HP; 579 AP; 133.900 Melee DPS; 19.47% melee crit; 10 melee hit; 25.53% dodge; 5 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 880 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2zym3j ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3dbc8z ][ Updated: Tue Feb 26 19:24:58 2008 EST ]] |
| 00:15.35 | NightHawkAtWork | dylanm: actulaly, name alone next to the slot would be really hot. |
| 00:15.37 | Chaud | I see 4pc vengeful, pvp honor gear, za trinket |
| 00:15.41 | Chaud | faster than I can mouseover |
| 00:15.52 | Chaud | s2 dagger, s2 shoulders, ect |
| 00:16.55 | NightHawkAtWork | Chaud: I think you're just far to used to a particular mode of operation. In any case, the original statement of armorylite being 'useless' is just silly. you don't NEED those icons, you just LIKE the icons :P |
| 00:17.28 | Chaud | you dont NEED armory to be fast, you just LIKE it being fast =p |
| 00:17.39 | Primer | considering that wowarmory is completely unloadable at the moment, I give the fact that armorylite loads at all is a big win |
| 00:17.53 | NightHawkAtWork | Chaud: not a matter of speed, some browsers actually choke on the armory code :p |
| 00:17.58 | NeoTron | Chaud: armory kills firefox |
| 00:18.06 | Diao | get ietab |
| 00:18.08 | NeoTron | like literally hangs it for extended periods of times |
| 00:18.09 | Diao | :) |
| 00:18.15 | NeoTron | yeah that'll work... on Linux |
| 00:18.26 | Diao | ? |
| 00:18.27 | Dashkal | On linux it isn't armory... it's broken flash |
| 00:18.30 | NightHawkAtWork | and safari has rendering issues |
| 00:18.31 | Diao | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419 |
| 00:18.33 | Diao | ietab |
| 00:18.34 | Primer | flashblock |
| 00:18.38 | Dashkal | I get that hangup all over the place |
| 00:18.42 | Diao | oh windows |
| 00:18.44 | Diao | lol |
| 00:18.57 | Primer | The server at www.wowarmory.com is taking too long to respond. <-- browser agnostic problem |
| 00:19.08 | Chaud | you don’t NEED your browser, you WANT it? =( |
| 00:19.08 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: yeah, good luck getting that to work outside of windows ;) |
| 00:19.21 | Estil | lol |
| 00:19.23 | Diao | wine it! |
| 00:19.29 | Diao | or wahtever they call it these days |
| 00:19.32 | Dashkal | *takes this to it's silly conclusion* You don't _need_ to live, you just want to. |
| 00:19.35 | NightHawkAtWork | oh man, i'd love to see that, IETab through wine? :P |
| 00:19.35 | Primer | ie4linux |
| 00:19.41 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: indeed. *murders* |
| 00:19.44 | Primer | which, of course, uses wine |
| 00:19.47 | Diao | lol |
| 00:20.14 | Estil | it's blizz's ploy to get you to use windoze |
| 00:20.14 | Chaud | “Instincts are unlearned, inherited fixed action patterns of responses or reactions to certain kinds of stimuli.” |
| 00:20.19 | Chaud | It is my instinct to live =p |
| 00:20.24 | Chaud | Can’t change it |
| 00:20.39 | Dashkal | Still, Blizzard claims that the armory works _best_ in ff.... it damn well should work then. |
| 00:20.44 | Chaud | nor can I go without my armory icons =( |
| 00:21.00 | Diao | btw chaud |
| 00:21.04 | Diao | use warcrafter.net |
| 00:21.05 | Diao | :p |
| 00:21.06 | Fisker- | armory works best in opera |
| 00:21.07 | Fisker- | also |
| 00:21.11 | Estil | armory works fine on my firefox |
| 00:21.11 | Fisker- | it's Fx not FF(or ff) |
| 00:21.25 | Diao | says you |
| 00:21.31 | Chompers | since when? |
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| 00:21.37 | Fisker- | Since ever |
| 00:21.39 | Cryect | since Fisker- said so |
| 00:21.49 | Dashkal | erm, since when are worlds abbreviated to their first and last letters instead of first of each syllable? |
| 00:21.50 | JoshBorke | cryect: give me some hearts of darkness |
| 00:21.53 | Primer | so strange..armory loading fine on my laptop |
| 00:21.54 | Fisker- | s/Fisker-/Mozilla foundation/ |
| 00:21.59 | mort | !points 668 |
| 00:21.59 | Xinhuan | 668 arena points require 1741(5s), 1800(3s) and 1877(2s) team rating. |
| 00:22.25 | Chaud | freezes my firefox =\ |
| 00:22.31 | Estil | it's odd |
| 00:22.36 | Primer | in IE...in firefox...nada |
| 00:22.37 | Estil | it used to freeze firefox on my laptop |
| 00:22.42 | Estil | but now it works fine |
| 00:22.42 | Fisker- | oddly enough the human race aren't a bunch of retards who only can understand one thing |
| 00:22.44 | Estil | * (shrug * |
| 00:22.44 | Cryect | JoshBorke: that would imply I have them |
| 00:22.48 | Fisker- | atleast most of us aren't |
| 00:22.49 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbreviations |
| 00:22.50 | JoshBorke | of course you do! |
| 00:22.53 | robotusch | grr |
| 00:22.56 | JoshBorke | just convince your friends to steal a couple |
| 00:23.00 | robotusch | mobs with instant mana burns can go diaf |
| 00:23.25 | Antiarc | Has anyone written a cvar editor? |
| 00:23.33 | Antiarc | Something that lets you muck with cvars with sliders and such? |
| 00:23.40 | Cryect | Yeah Blizzard did |
| 00:23.45 | Cryect | :-p |
| 00:23.49 | Antiarc | :P |
| 00:23.51 | Fisker- | [01:23:30] <+Antiarc> Something that lets you muck with cvars with sliders and such? |
| 00:23.51 | Fisker- | [ |
| 00:23.52 | Fisker- | doh |
| 00:23.52 | Antiarc | I want an extended one |
| 00:23.57 | JoshBorke | write one imo |
| 00:24.04 | Antiarc | Well, I will if nobody else has |
| 00:24.08 | Antiarc | I just want to know if it's been done yet. |
| 00:24.18 | Cryect | How many cvars aren't really covered though by the interface config or key commands |
| 00:24.30 | JoshBorke | 17 |
| 00:24.38 | Cryect | 42 would have been better |
| 00:24.49 | JoshBorke | but less accurate |
| 00:25.05 | Cryect | and 17 is so accurate :-p |
| 00:25.12 | JoshBorke | you don't know! it could be! |
| 00:25.36 | Cryect | there was like a list of 200 cvars or something |
| 00:25.48 | Cryect | haven't seen a recent one though |
| 00:26.08 | Cryect | http://www.wowwiki.com/Config.wtf_defaults |
| 00:26.18 | JoshBorke | could that be because YOU HAVEN'T PAID ATTENTION BECAUSE YOU WERE GONE?! :-P |
| 00:27.44 | NightHawkAtWork | Cyrez: JoshBorke is just upset that you left him all alone. What he really needs is a hug, and maybe some cuddling. |
| 00:27.48 | NightHawkAtWork | dammit |
| 00:27.49 | break19 | yea, he was away so long, when he came back he had to rename his own mod so he could work on it. :) |
| 00:27.57 | NightHawkAtWork | I meant Cryect |
| 00:27.58 | xyu | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/nations-spies-w.html |
| 00:27.59 | JoshBorke | NightHawkAtWork: fail |
| 00:28.17 | Cryect | haha |
| 00:28.31 | Cryect | I'm always amused how a lot of people want to spell it Cyrect at first |
| 00:29.00 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, that boggles me when I do it |
| 00:29.53 | Cryect | I was also gone so long JoshBorke went back to coding addons |
| 00:30.17 | Ellipsis | coding addons? who in their right mind would do that? |
| 00:30.29 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: your mom. |
| 00:30.51 | Ellipsis | she's neither in her right mind, nor coding addons |
| 00:30.57 | Ellipsis | so I believe you've just failed |
| 00:31.14 | NightHawkAtWork | pfft, that just means that if she WERE in her right mind, she WOULD be coding addons. *nod* |
| 00:31.16 | NightHawkAtWork | so really, I'm right. |
| 00:31.16 | Chompers | counter burn |
| 00:32.11 | Ellipsis | hmm... |
| 00:32.12 | break19 | Cryect: when people say go cryect, are they really saying go cry etc? |
| 00:32.26 | Dashkal | bleh, I can't figure out how to phrase the request to wowarmory to make it cough up raw xml. I keep getting back a webpage |
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| 00:33.10 | JoshBorke | Cryect: you mean to say: "i was also gone so long JoshBorke went back to coding addons and then stopped and went back to insulting addons" |
| 00:33.11 | Cryect | didn't antiarc make some of his source available for working with the armory? |
| 00:33.15 | EvilJohn__ | hm, the default pitbull font is easy to rad, but kinda big |
| 00:33.22 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: you need to pose as Firefox |
| 00:33.58 | Ellipsis | EvilJohn__: fortunately both the font and its size are configurable :) |
| 00:34.06 | Dashkal | bleh. Yay for not following HTTP.... Accept: text/xml should have done it |
| 00:34.11 | EvilJohn__ | yeah, what was it before, anyone know? |
| 00:34.23 | Chaud | did anyone ever change the scanner for tattle to have pauses? |
| 00:34.33 | Chaud | because of their little limit on requests |
| 00:34.39 | Ellipsis | Dashkal: lol, and you actually thought that would work? |
| 00:34.56 | Gnarfoz | text/xml is not a valid mime-type for xml web pages, anyway? |
| 00:35.00 | Dashkal | It works on complaint servers! ... ... Ok ok that was stupid |
| 00:35.13 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: since when is text/xml not valid? |
| 00:35.49 | Gnarfoz | dunno, wasn't it application/xml+xhtml... oh, right, that was for xhtml maybe |
| 00:36.31 | Antiarc | Dashkal: Send a user agent that the armory would expect to be able to parse XML+XSLT |
| 00:36.33 | Antiarc | (Like firefox) |
| 00:36.40 | Dashkal | digging up my agent now |
| 00:36.49 | Dashkal | I don't have the agent for firefox memorized quite yet :p |
| 00:37.10 | chiper | that's why I keep a copy of phpinfo() handy |
| 00:37.12 | Gnarfoz | last I checked it only sent XML for firefox and none other :< |
| 00:37.19 | chiper | wonderful for mining browser data |
| 00:37.33 | chiper | Gnarfoz: Safari too |
| 00:37.51 | chiper | and I wouldnt be surprised if Opera and khtml were in there as well |
| 00:37.55 | Dashkal | Yep, that did it |
| 00:38.10 | Primer | view source in IE shows XML transform |
| 00:38.17 | Primer | just like Firefox |
| 00:38.29 | chiper | dash: it's perfectly compliant, you're the one who didnt behave like a webbrowser |
| 00:38.49 | Dashkal | I was following the HTTP spec |
| 00:39.08 | Dashkal | it should have rejected my query if it wasn't prepared to respond to text/xml |
| 00:39.20 | chiper | I'm scared what my latest webapp is going to do in IE |
| 00:39.50 | break19 | piss on IE |
| 00:39.52 | chiper | look like shit is a nobrainer, but probably a lot of things wont work period |
| 00:40.02 | chiper | break19: oh how I want to |
| 00:40.10 | Primer | My latest web app is all google API...which crashed safari, but works fine in firefox and IE |
| 00:40.12 | break19 | Camino ftw |
| 00:40.29 | Primer | google map API, that is |
| 00:41.06 | break19 | firefox.. meh |
| 00:41.12 | Primer | I talked to the client about the safari issue and he told me not to worry about it...that he tells his mac-using clients to use FF |
| 00:41.27 | break19 | ff looks like some 2yr old went crazy with crayons, on Mac OS X |
| 00:41.32 | chiper | I've been putting in little safari only tricks so that it looks best in webkit. still looks great in firefox tho |
| 00:41.37 | break19 | Camino *dance* |
| 00:42.11 | Dashkal | Install one of the many aqua themes? |
| 00:42.15 | break19 | webkit stuffs ok, but occassionally I come across pages that just don't work right. |
| 00:42.16 | chiper | would be nice if the gecko team would start implimenting some more CSS3 |
| 00:42.23 | break19 | thats where Camino comes in. |
| 00:42.42 | CIA-9 | 03antiarc * r63004 10CVarEditor/ (. CVarEditor.lua CVarEditor.toc Data.lua Libs/): CVarEditor: Initial commit, nothing works yet, blah blah |
| 00:42.54 | chiper | 'course, I'm not using the FF3 beta, so it's possible they have |
| 00:43.20 | Primer | So, I find that I need to make different configs for pitbull 10 and 25 man raids |
| 00:43.39 | Primer | would the simplest way be to simply save SavedVariables/PitBull.lua ? |
| 00:43.45 | break19 | Dashkal: it takes forever to even launch Firefox.. Camino is a mac os native browser, built on the exact same engine that firefox is.. AND will use the OS X keychain instead of it's own database for pw's.. this means it can share passwords with safari :) |
| 00:43.58 | Primer | and put the one I want into place before running wow? Or is there an easier way? |
| 00:44.16 | Primer | because the "profile" thing within the rock config wants me to paste stuff |
| 00:44.20 | Dashkal | break19: Now those are points I can understand being deal breakers :p |
| 00:44.26 | Primer | and that doesn't seem very convenient |
| 00:46.58 | break19 | meh.. since when is an optional library (sharedmedia) a requirement for addons? |
| 00:46.59 | break19 | yes, EBB.. I'm calling you out... |
| 00:50.20 | Primer | Now IE is reporting it "Cannot view XML input using XSL style sheet" |
| 00:50.23 | Primer | in armory |
| 00:51.26 | Primer | fuck, I think I just realized why my wife is being so tolerant of my "family is still awake"-time raiding... |
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| 00:53.09 | alcaras | Anyone know if the CowTip/Grid tooltip in combat issue is resolved? |
| 00:54.14 | chiper | primer: because she gets to torture you? |
| 00:54.21 | chiper | that's why mine likes it |
| 00:54.34 | Primer | I wasn't going to say, but it's my birthday on Friday |
| 00:54.42 | Primer | but...since you asked |
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| 00:55.06 | Primer | btw, have you seen the new features I added to FlightHUD? |
| 00:55.18 | Primer | development's been slow |
| 00:55.33 | Primer | I really need to get that waypoint thing in |
| 00:55.34 | chiper | not recently, I stopped using it a while back |
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| 00:55.39 | Primer | bah :( |
| 00:55.50 | Primer | you can resize it and move it now |
| 00:55.53 | chiper | when the clickthrough problem came up I disabled it and haven't re-enabled it since |
| 00:55.57 | Primer | so it's not as obstrusive |
| 00:56.01 | Primer | I fixed that too |
| 00:57.16 | chiper | I'll try to remember to check it out next time I play |
| 00:57.21 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.36 | chiper | I've been rather distracted with this. http://imagebin.org/14363 |
| 00:57.44 | chiper | havent played WoW much |
| 00:57.46 | durcyn | because sometimes when you don't get express handling, they'll sit on it for days |
| 00:57.58 | NeoTron | my favorite so far though is when I ordered on a sat afternoon and they had it shipped on sunday |
| 00:58.10 | alcaras | Anyone know if the CowTip/Grid tooltip in combat issue is resolved? |
| 00:58.15 | NeoTron | durcyn: no, that was my point - the order I placed today around noon is shipped now |
| 00:58.45 | chiper | yeah, for most stuff they ship sameday, unless you place the order after 2pm PST |
| 00:58.57 | Primer | chiper: you writing that? |
| 00:58.58 | chiper | and even then it still might ship if it's from their CA warehouse |
| 00:59.02 | chiper | primer: yes |
| 00:59.09 | Primer | cool |
| 00:59.25 | Primer | I've been doing some side work...which has been cutting into my WoW time |
| 00:59.28 | chiper | I always curse a little when I see a newegg order coming from their PN location |
| 00:59.38 | Primer | they have many locations now |
| 00:59.45 | Primer | it used to be everything shipped from LA |
| 00:59.51 | NeoTron | a favorite order, ever, was when I ordered a DVD player online from some site I now don't recall.. |
| 00:59.58 | Primer | order before 3PM PST, and it'd be here next day (I'm in LA too) |
| 01:00.09 | NeoTron | it was ordered around 8pm PST and arrived the next day (without special shipping) |
| 01:00.12 | kenlyric | chiper what does it dooooo? |
| 01:00.21 | Dashkal | Anybody use IceHUD? Any way to disable the click-capuring? |
| 01:00.25 | chiper | primer: the entire thing is made with just JS and PHP, almost no HTML. |
| 01:00.28 | NeoTron | it was shipped from Portland to Seattle and it took like 8-12 hrs total from order to delivery |
| 01:00.38 | Primer | chiper: the side project I'm doing is 100% JS |
| 01:00.42 | chiper | kenlyric: lets me browse my itunes library from remote |
| 01:00.43 | Primer | google map crap |
| 01:01.12 | NeoTron | the side project I'm doing is 100% lua.. >:-) |
| 01:01.20 | alcaras | Anyone know if the CowTip/Grid tooltip in combat issue is resolved? |
| 01:01.28 | alcaras | used to be cowtip would put tooltips on top of grid |
| 01:01.30 | alcaras | which made it useless |
| 01:01.31 | Primer | NeoTron: do tell |
| 01:01.42 | alcaras | instead of hiding the tooltip when in combat and over grid |
| 01:01.45 | kenlyric | chiper: gimme |
| 01:01.51 | kenlyric | GIMME NOW |
| 01:02.03 | kenlyric | though I'd probably need a mac :) |
| 01:02.05 | chiper | neo: I order all my cables through monoprice.com. they ship USPS, but have an awesome pickup time. I've ordered at 10pm and gotten confirmation of shipment by 10:15. cables arrive next morning |
| 01:02.17 | NeoTron | Primer: I have told ;) smart mouse over raid marking addon |
| 01:02.46 | Ellipsis | alcaras: wasn't that just a conflict between grid's setting for tooltips and cowtip's? |
| 01:03.00 | chiper | ken: dunno if it'd work on windows. it needs PHP tho, and expects a link the MP3 folder in the folder with it |
| 01:03.00 | Primer | NeoTron: oh, nice |
| 01:03.03 | NeoTron | It'll be on wowace as soon as I get an account set up |
| 01:03.05 | kenlyric | orb can't seem to do my music correctly. |
| 01:03.11 | kenlyric | dies after the first 5 seconds |
| 01:03.17 | NeoTron | I'm actually going to try it in-raid for the first time toda |
| 01:03.19 | Primer | NeoTron: but...can't a macro do that? |
| 01:03.26 | NeoTron | ... no |
| 01:03.30 | chiper | kenlyric: but, it's not done yet. playlists are barely started |
| 01:03.32 | NeoTron | you don't understand :) |
| 01:03.48 | NeoTron | I _mouseover_ mobs and they get marks according to whether they should be tanked, sheeped, banished etc |
| 01:03.50 | Primer | explain, please, this sounds interesting |
| 01:03.56 | Primer | ohhhhhh |
| 01:03.59 | NeoTron | I don't target, nor do I pick targets manually or even actively mark |
| 01:04.13 | Primer | kinda like how proximo gets everything from mousing over |
| 01:04.18 | alcaras | NeoTron: link to download please |
| 01:04.24 | NeoTron | it's not done yet |
| 01:04.29 | chiper | neo: I eagerly await it's use |
| 01:04.32 | alcaras | you are a cruel tease, sir |
| 01:04.34 | NeoTron | and the version that I have "out" has a significant flaw |
| 01:04.40 | alcaras | what will it be called? |
| 01:04.43 | Primer | so how are you determining what gets tanked/sheeped/etc? Experience? |
| 01:04.44 | NeoTron | namely a race condition |
| 01:04.52 | Primer | knowing every pull from every instance? |
| 01:04.53 | NeoTron | Primer: no, there's a learning mode |
| 01:04.56 | alcaras | barack obama fixes all race conditions |
| 01:05.11 | Chompers | :S |
| 01:05.11 | NeoTron | you mouse over mobs and then get a page where you select group for each named target it found |
| 01:05.40 | NeoTron | come 2.4 I'll probably try to start building database entries based on the unit ID |
| 01:05.55 | NeoTron | so a new guild entering BT automatically would get good defaults (for example) |
| 01:06.00 | alcaras | you look at group composition as well? |
| 01:06.03 | alcaras | or is this raid only, not 5mans |
| 01:06.05 | NeoTron | alcaras: that's an idea |
| 01:06.15 | NeoTron | raid is primary target of course |
| 01:06.17 | alcaras | e.g. pointless to mark 'sheep' w/o no mage |
| 01:06.26 | NeoTron | but looking at the number of mages etc is part of planned features |
| 01:06.34 | alcaras | cool, good luck! |
| 01:06.51 | NeoTron | currently each mob can onyl have one category. my next to do is to make categories (or rather the raid marks for each predefined category) be configurable |
| 01:07.02 | NeoTron | then I'll look at improving the target classification |
| 01:07.35 | NeoTron | also plan to add target prioritization so you can state a target is highest priority for cheap (say mystics in the BT akama trash) |
| 01:07.41 | Primer | so what happens, say, in kara, if you mouse over people dancing |
| 01:08.00 | Primer | and you end up mousing over 25 mobs? |
| 01:08.01 | Primer | hehe |
| 01:08.02 | NeoTron | you can classify a unit as ignore |
| 01:08.07 | break19 | well.. that was easy.. I just edited my local copy of EBB to use libsharedmedia, libgratuity, and libabacus.. depending on how bored I am, I might even make it use ace3+ace3 config instead of fubar/dewdrop/ace2/tablet |
| 01:08.19 | NeoTron | but what happens if they are not classified as ignore is that it marks 8 of them |
| 01:08.41 | NeoTron | you can manually release (unmark) and mark targets too (same rules, just need to target and press a key) |
| 01:09.02 | NeoTron | 2.4 will also bring "clear marks when a target dies" due to having unique GUID's to look at |
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| 01:09.32 | NeoTron | I have a lot of plans >:-) |
| 01:09.40 | NeoTron | fortunately we can clear bt/hyjal in 2 nights now |
| 01:09.41 | NeoTron | heh |
| 01:09.56 | NeoTron | I got an addon DownTimer that tells us how much time we spend OOC too |
| 01:10.08 | NeoTron | it would be interesting to compare a run with the addon anda run without it |
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| 01:12.10 | Chompers | wow, earthquake here |
| 01:12.17 | Chompers | trade chat is going crazy over it |
| 01:12.21 | kergoth | Is there a definitive place to dig up good cowtip example setups? |
| 01:12.26 | Primer | here == ? |
| 01:12.59 | NeoTron | kergoth: I haven't configured mine. Seems to be a good setup to me :P |
| 01:13.06 | kergoth | bah :P |
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| 01:15.04 | break19 | meh. ebb uses aceOO.. well.. so much for an easy conversion.. |
| 01:15.50 | break19 | well.. at least it can use the updated libSM, and abacus and gratuity.. |
| 01:16.29 | NightHawkAtWork | This is a really good article on why you shouldn't listen to users.. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001063.html |
| 01:16.34 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: reminds me of PaintBall, a similar addon, but without any intelligent logic behind it ;> |
| 01:16.50 | NeoTron | yes i was told about that addon when I first brought it u |
| 01:16.59 | NeoTron | my addon is already smarter even though it's still dumb |
| 01:17.38 | CIA-9 | 03wobin * r63005 10Xparky/Xparky.lua: |
| 01:17.38 | CIA-9 | Xparky - Drycoded attempt at utilising shift-click to paste details into the |
| 01:17.38 | CIA-9 | editbox. Left click for xp info right click for rep. Mirrors the text in the |
| 01:17.38 | CIA-9 | legoblock. Don't even know if it compiles =P email me if not and with error if |
| 01:17.38 | CIA-9 | anyone tests, as cannot IRC atm. |
| 01:17.52 | Diao | compiles? |
| 01:17.56 | Primer | WONTREAD TOOLONG |
| 01:17.56 | Diao | since when is lua compiled |
| 01:18.18 | mikma | woooooo |
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| 01:18.58 | alcaras | anyone know why CowTip is not hiding tooltips even though Grid says 'never show tooltips' on grid frames? |
| 01:19.02 | alcaras | and more importantly, how to fix it |
| 01:19.15 | Primer | /usr/bin/lua: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped |
| 01:19.16 | Arrowmaster | Diao: its compiled at runtime, or you can use luac to compile it but wow doesnt read compiled lua files anymore since beta |
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| 01:19.22 | Primer | compiled ^^^^^ |
| 01:19.24 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: well.. it gets compiled by wow at runtime |
| 01:19.29 | Primer | </smartass> |
| 01:19.31 | NightHawkAtWork | er, what Arrowmaster said |
| 01:19.36 | Diao | oh |
| 01:20.02 | Dashkal | http://ace.pastey.net/82994 |
| 01:20.11 | Dashkal | drat, beat to it, oh well |
| 01:20.31 | Diao | thought it was interpreted language |
| 01:20.34 | NeoTron | compiled into bytecode vs compiled into machine code |
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| 01:20.51 | NeoTron | it doesn't read a line of lua and execute it - it compiles it into bytecode first |
| 01:21.05 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia * r63006 10MobileVault/Core.lua: MobileVault: Quick fix to errors resulting from not having permission for view bank tabs |
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| 01:21.27 | Arrowmaster | most similair languages do the same thing |
| 01:21.35 | NightHawkAtWork | most.. dammit Arrowmaster! :P |
| 01:22.03 | Diao | lol |
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| 01:28.29 | Nimble | Hey guys, I'm looking for an addon to filter what my character loots when I autoloot a mob |
| 01:29.49 | NimbleRabit | test |
| 01:30.08 | Gnarfoz | test failed |
| 01:30.12 | Gnarfoz | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks < ;D |
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| 01:32.10 | mikma | muahaha |
| 01:32.24 | kenlyric | Nimble: what do you mean filter? |
| 01:32.32 | Diao | why do people keep linking that video |
| 01:32.36 | kenlyric | like, you want it to go away? |
| 01:32.38 | Diao | i've seen it linkedl ike 20 times in the past week |
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| 01:34.18 | kenlyric | NimbleRabit: if that's what you mean, you can't. Blizzard won't let you |
| 01:35.11 | NimbleRabit | kenlyric, no I just don't want it to pick up certain things |
| 01:35.25 | kenlyric | oh. |
| 01:35.28 | NimbleRabit | Sometimes I'm fighting mobs that drop something stupid that I have to manually keep destroying |
| 01:35.30 | kenlyric | LootFilter... does that still work? |
| 01:36.22 | NimbleRabit | don't see a LootFilter in wowaceupdater |
| 01:36.25 | kenlyric | yes, something like that exists, it used to be called lootfilter, and it's not ace |
| 01:36.30 | NimbleRabit | ahhh |
| 01:36.31 | NimbleRabit | k |
| 01:36.44 | kenlyric | GarbageFu I think can be coded to throw away specific things. |
| 01:37.24 | kenlyric | it's not complicated, my warlock shard mod is able to destroy them when i have more than a set number. |
| 01:37.46 | kenlyric | http://www.lootfilter.com/ |
| 01:38.17 | break19 | lol.. bugsack's default "fatality" sound.. my wife swears on her life it's saying "a tom a tea" |
| 01:38.52 | kenlyric | that makes sense |
| 01:39.11 | kenlyric | fatality is the sound that plays when overpower is ready :) |
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| 01:42.36 | break19 | kenlyric: to be honest, I didnt know wtf it was saying until I saw the options to change it from the default, and saw "Fatality" already selected.. |
| 01:42.44 | break19 | crappy laptop speakers ftl :/ |
| 01:43.22 | kenlyric | i'd pay my right arm for "aggro" sound in grid to only work in a group.. |
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| 01:45.21 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63007 10kgPanelsConfig/ (PanelHelper.lua kgPanelGuideFrame.lua): kgPanelsConfig: bug fix |
| 01:47.08 | Gagorian | Bibi should update the life tap news to mmo-champ |
| 01:47.13 | Gagorian | Locks are interested! |
| 01:47.38 | Diao | what news |
| 01:48.16 | Gagorian | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4822674384&sid=1&pageNo=145#2885 |
| 01:48.22 | Gagorian | Pretty vague |
| 01:48.35 | Gagorian | But still, something |
| 01:48.36 | Diao | i don't understand the wording change |
| 01:48.43 | Diao | on mana burn |
| 01:49.06 | Diao | it's not a drain now? |
| 01:49.07 | Gagorian | They want to imply that it doesn't drain the mana but removes it |
| 01:49.12 | Gagorian | It has never been one |
| 01:49.22 | Gagorian | Like the warlock mana drain |
| 01:49.24 | NightHawkAtWork | "drain" implies a transfer from target to source |
| 01:49.26 | Gagorian | Which actually transfers mana |
| 01:49.30 | Diao | oh |
| 01:49.38 | dylanm | Uh does that get us outside of the resilience effect? |
| 01:49.38 | NightHawkAtWork | its a clarification thing |
| 01:49.38 | Diao | so i assume viper sting got changed as well? |
| 01:49.43 | NightHawkAtWork | dylanm: no :P |
| 01:49.54 | dylanm | Awesome. |
| 01:50.16 | Diao | and what's with the wording change on focused casting |
| 01:50.19 | Diao | what else do priests cast? |
| 01:50.24 | Diao | oh |
| 01:50.27 | Diao | mage spellstealing the buff |
| 01:50.29 | Diao | nm |
| 01:50.51 | NeoTron | Gagorian: that post is of no interest really, until we can see waht the change is |
| 01:50.57 | NightHawkAtWork | wording change for focus casting? |
| 01:50.59 | Diao | 1 month transfer cds, nice |
| 01:51.01 | Diao | yeah |
| 01:51.16 | NightHawkAtWork | focused* |
| 01:51.25 | Diao | it now says cannot lose casting time from taking damage while casting Priest spells and increases chance to resist Interrupt effects by 20% |
| 01:51.36 | kenlyric | so what warlocks have been screaming about is a bug? |
| 01:51.38 | NightHawkAtWork | interesting |
| 01:51.42 | kenlyric | am I reading that blue post correctly? |
| 01:51.47 | Diao | no kenlyric |
| 01:51.51 | Diao | it was implemented and they changed it |
| 01:51.53 | Diao | i assume |
| 01:51.55 | Diao | or plan to change it |
| 01:52.00 | NightHawkAtWork | I wish they could do something like that for earth shield >< |
| 01:52.02 | kenlyric | "Yes there is a bug with lifetap only returning mana based on your current mana instead of your maximum mana. This is being worked on." |
| 01:52.03 | NeoTron | kenlyric: not a bug |
| 01:52.08 | Diao | focused casting is luck though nh |
| 01:52.18 | Diao | only occurs when you take a melee or ranged crit |
| 01:52.18 | NeoTron | kenlyric: that bug was fixed hours after the new version was introduced |
| 01:52.20 | Diao | not even a spell crit |
| 01:52.27 | NeoTron | the server literally crashed/went down and came back with it fixed |
| 01:52.28 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: yeah, i know, which is why i said "i wish" :P |
| 01:52.37 | NightHawkAtWork | i understand the difference, it just blows having ES spellstolen |
| 01:52.58 | NeoTron | everyone understood THAT particular issue was a bug |
| 01:53.05 | dylanm | I like how the revised Mana Burn tooltip doesn't agree with itself. |
| 01:53.10 | dylanm | Unless they've fixed that. |
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| 01:53.17 | NeoTron | a spell to regain mana that doesn't regain mana when you're OOM is pretty obviously broken |
| 01:53.22 | kenlyric | I thought that's what they nerfed... |
| 01:53.26 | NeoTron | It'd be like innervate only working if you had full mana :) |
| 01:53.29 | Estil | buff priests/ |
| 01:53.29 | dylanm | Nono. |
| 01:53.44 | basslingo | anyone seen wobin today? |
| 01:53.45 | kenlyric | I only listened to the tears, not the details |
| 01:53.51 | NeoTron | before: Covnert X + dmg*Y health into mana |
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| 01:54.01 | NeoTron | after: Convert 15% of max health into 15% of max mana |
| 01:54.11 | kenlyric | eeek |
| 01:54.16 | kenlyric | poor warlocks |
| 01:54.31 | kenlyric | 1000 health for 110 mana ;) |
| 01:54.40 | Estil | lol |
| 01:54.55 | NeoTron | it's especially bad when tankign with 17000 health/8000 mana or so.. 2750 health for 1200 mana ftl |
| 01:54.58 | NightHawkAtWork | eh, the only real problem with it is existing lock itemization sucks :P |
| 01:55.10 | NightHawkAtWork | er... rather, existing lock itemization sucks, given that functionality |
| 01:55.22 | dylanm | Yeah you can see how they'd have made different choices. |
| 01:55.30 | Ellipsis | it scales up with int, down with sta, and not at all with +dmg |
| 01:55.34 | iPlay | isanyone got a clue how to configure this playerbar in pitbull? http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2226/2259241888_3390c57e5c_o.jpg |
| 01:55.39 | Ellipsis | entirely backwards from what we want/expect |
| 01:55.41 | NightHawkAtWork | beyond that, tough, its not a terribly bad change |
| 01:55.46 | NeoTron | if it was 15% health into mana |
| 01:55.48 | kenlyric | does it result in less mana returned, more health drained, or both? |
| 01:55.48 | NeoTron | we'd all be happy |
| 01:55.55 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: depends on gear level |
| 01:55.59 | NeoTron | kenlyric: both typically |
| 01:56.10 | Ellipsis | in BT gear, it's both |
| 01:56.21 | Ellipsis | in level 68 greens, it's neither |
| 01:56.22 | NightHawkAtWork | well, in average gear, you get more mana, i think? |
| 01:56.26 | NeoTron | I would lose about 250 mana per tap, adding about 250 health cost |
| 01:56.32 | NeoTron | s/250 health/200 health/ |
| 01:56.41 | Ellipsis | in kara-ish gear it's a little more health and a little more mana |
| 01:56.49 | kenlyric | you know, it makes sense to not have it be a 1 for 1 return |
| 01:56.58 | kenlyric | since stam isn't worth the same as int anymore |
| 01:57.09 | Ellipsis | then change the multiplier |
| 01:57.11 | Ellipsis | not the scaling |
| 01:57.14 | kenlyric | yeah |
| 01:57.19 | NightHawkAtWork | As i said, in an abstract, the change isn't bad. Where it becomes an issue is that locks have geared and itemization has been designed around, having a large sta pool and a small int pool |
| 01:57.33 | Ellipsis | and a lot of +dmg |
| 01:57.48 | NightHawkAtWork | if warlocks were geared like a mage, no one would really be whining as much |
| 01:57.50 | NimbleRabit | kenlyric, thanks |
| 01:58.02 | NeoTron | don't forget that 1 int = 1.77 stamina for a lock too |
| 01:58.38 | Nandini | hmm they need to add a sound effect when you are in login queue and finally reach the character select screen |
| 01:58.43 | NeoTron | so having more / equal int to health would be highly impractical |
| 01:58.44 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: indeed, but that just fuels into the "sta as a mana pool" design concept |
| 01:59.01 | NeoTron | I wouldn't mind if they entirely removed mana from warlocks |
| 01:59.07 | NeoTron | just make all spells use health |
| 01:59.08 | NeoTron | :) |
| 01:59.17 | NeoTron | naturally they would have to cost less... |
| 01:59.22 | NeoTron | and we would need more health |
| 01:59.28 | NightHawkAtWork | That'd be interesting. ;) |
| 01:59.54 | NeoTron | healers would love it I am sure |
| 02:00.00 | NeoTron | although not really different from today |
| 02:00.02 | Nandini | Or make warlocks power type be blood, something that is directly connected to your health |
| 02:00.12 | Arrowmaster | that would be cool if mana gains healed warlocks too |
| 02:00.19 | kenlyric | no, now we have to heal you occasionally |
| 02:00.27 | kenlyric | we'd have to heal you constantly if it was a direct loss. |
| 02:00.28 | Ellipsis | oh man Arrowmaster |
| 02:00.37 | Ellipsis | think of a warlock in the spriest group then |
| 02:00.38 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: meh, just stick em in a spriest group and let VT do it :P |
| 02:00.44 | NeoTron | kenlyric: the HP loss per second should be similar for a change like this to work |
| 02:00.48 | kenlyric | vt isn't that good :) |
| 02:01.04 | NeoTron | kenlyric: if you consistently lose 400 health every 2.5 second, VT is godly |
| 02:01.22 | Arrowmaster | you mean VE? |
| 02:01.25 | NeoTron | sorry yes |
| 02:01.26 | NightHawkAtWork | er, yeah, VE |
| 02:01.28 | NightHawkAtWork | my bad |
| 02:01.35 | NightHawkAtWork | <-- not a priest |
| 02:01.53 | NeoTron | but having locks not use mana might be an obvious solution, whatever they would use instead |
| 02:02.05 | Ellipsis | how is that an "obvious" solution |
| 02:02.10 | Ellipsis | do you realize how much work it would take? |
| 02:02.12 | NeoTron | if you want to make them different |
| 02:02.15 | NightHawkAtWork | At this point, that's pure speculation and a non-solution |
| 02:02.16 | NeoTron | of course I do |
| 02:02.24 | NightHawkAtWork | you're not going to break locks out of using mana at this stage |
| 02:02.28 | NeoTron | it'd be a fun / different solution |
| 02:02.29 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 02:02.48 | NightHawkAtWork | If only from a pure development time/roi angle, it's a waste of resources |
| 02:02.50 | Ellipsis | I could see them adding a new power type for death knights |
| 02:02.52 | NeoTron | but they should either not mess up lifetap or give us other ways to restore mana |
| 02:02.52 | Ellipsis | not for warlocks |
| 02:03.02 | NeoTron | like making soul siphon / soul leech return mana instead of health |
| 02:03.04 | NightHawkAtWork | Ellipsis: well, they already ARE doing that for deathknights, right? :P |
| 02:03.04 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: there's always DRAINMANALOL |
| 02:03.10 | Ellipsis | NightHawkAtWork: are they? |
| 02:03.18 | Arrowmaster | yes they are |
| 02:03.19 | Kivin | God forbid warlocks should have to sit down and drink. An art they seemed to have lost long, long ago |
| 02:03.19 | NeoTron | Ellipsis: no there isn't |
| 02:03.24 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: it was a joke |
| 02:03.38 | NeoTron | Kivin: right because drinkign is easy during that 10m council fight yes? |
| 02:03.39 | Ellipsis | Kivin: drinking is for fail. *spams tap* HEALZ PLS |
| 02:03.42 | NightHawkAtWork | Kivin: oh god, seriously. >< |
| 02:03.56 | NightHawkAtWork | i refuse to heal warlocks that don't have a little "agro" indicator in grid |
| 02:03.57 | NeoTron | do you realize a lock with good gear goes OOM in about 1 minute? |
| 02:04.11 | NightHawkAtWork | if they get hit by a secondary hit of my CH, they should feel lucky |
| 02:04.12 | kenlyric | I think it would have been better if they had let the change sit, and possibly adapt in future PTR. Rather than eyonix opening his big trap and saying "oh, it's fine, just stack int in pve" |
| 02:04.35 | NeoTron | kenlyric: they are changing lifetap again - we just don't know how |
| 02:05.02 | kenlyric | they're changing all sorts of stuff, and it'd be a lot easier to remain calm about it if eyonix didn't say something so dumb. |
| 02:05.19 | NeoTron | I agree it was a dumb comment |
| 02:05.21 | Kivin | Eyonix has a track record for dumb shit |
| 02:05.23 | Ellipsis | honestly, the thing is, I don't even care what effect it has in raiding...I just want to be able to farm as affliction without @%&^ing drinking |
| 02:05.26 | kenlyric | honestly, what cloth class can game int? like there's high int gear or something. |
| 02:05.28 | Ellipsis | is that so much to ask? |
| 02:05.28 | NightHawkAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.37 | NeoTron | Ellipsis: yes, it has a quite negative impact on farming |
| 02:05.46 | Ellipsis | I noticed |
| 02:05.53 | Ellipsis | I was running OOM trying to TEST ADDONS |
| 02:05.57 | NeoTron | but seriously, is it really noticeable as affliction? |
| 02:06.01 | Ellipsis | do you know how slowly I fight when I'm debugging? |
| 02:06.02 | kenlyric | when I leve my mages, I avoid int like the plague |
| 02:06.05 | NeoTron | I am destro so I don't know |
| 02:06.12 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: yes. my imp's mana was always <300 |
| 02:06.20 | Ellipsis | every time it was worth the GCD I was pacting |
| 02:06.34 | NeoTron | I've killed DrBoom as affliction |
| 02:06.39 | NeoTron | never going OOM/OOH |
| 02:06.50 | kenlyric | since at about level 15 your mana far outstrips the water they give you |
| 02:06.51 | NeoTron | that's like 650k health |
| 02:07.05 | NeoTron | kenlyric: yep. better then to stack dmg/spirit |
| 02:07.20 | NightHawkAtWork | kenlyric: its not just level 15, its a huge problem in general :P |
| 02:07.33 | kenlyric | I go spirit/stam until damage gear starts to drop |
| 02:07.36 | NightHawkAtWork | well, until post-60 i guess |
| 02:07.43 | NeoTron | kenlyric: that's pretty early now :P |
| 02:07.58 | kenlyric | why doesn't water just return a variable amount! |
| 02:08.03 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: I use dr boom as a dps benchmark...I always do him til dead |
| 02:08.11 | Ellipsis | (affliction, obviously) |
| 02:08.17 | kenlyric | NeoTron: not outside of dungeons... gear still sucks ass from quests. |
| 02:08.23 | kenlyric | despite what fucking blizzard says |
| 02:08.24 | Ellipsis | I should go try on PTR...I wonder if I can even kill him |
| 02:08.55 | NeoTron | as destro I do about 200-250k dmg before I'm completely try |
| 02:08.56 | NeoTron | dry |
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| 02:09.16 | kenlyric | water should just return 100% of your mana over x seconds, and not work over a certain level (so you have to buy the next rank, just like now) |
| 02:09.18 | NeoTron | depends so much on crits and soul leech luck |
| 02:09.43 | NeoTron | kenlyric: but it's fun to sit on your ass |
| 02:10.01 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: now you know why I use holiday waters |
| 02:10.17 | kenlyric | my hunter likes water! |
| 02:10.27 | kenlyric | it's like 1.5x my mana :) |
| 02:10.57 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, its nice on my (feral) druid :p |
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| 02:11.47 | Ellipsis | Graccu's Mince Meat Fruitcake - Use: Restores 5% of your health and mana per second for 20 sec. Must remain seated while eating. |
| 02:11.49 | Ellipsis | \o/ |
| 02:12.03 | kenlyric | give 20 stacks, please |
| 02:12.08 | Ellipsis | you wish |
| 02:12.16 | Ellipsis | I only have 3 stacks left :( |
| 02:12.21 | kenlyric | how do you get 3? |
| 02:12.30 | Ellipsis | there's no unique # |
| 02:12.36 | kenlyric | I only ever get the one stack plus the individual one |
| 02:12.39 | kenlyric | is it from a vendor? |
| 02:12.45 | kenlyric | I thought it was a quest reward :/ |
| 02:13.35 | Ellipsis | I saved them up |
| 02:13.43 | Ellipsis | I don't raid, remember? :P |
| 02:14.01 | Ellipsis | and you know fruitcake never goes bad! |
| 02:14.20 | kenlyric | oh, well they're not that useful if you don't use them :) |
| 02:14.35 | kenlyric | was there a winter veil in 2004? |
| 02:14.53 | Ellipsis | I will use them when I raid :P |
| 02:15.02 | Ellipsis | you don't want to know how much mistletoe I have |
| 02:15.06 | NimbleRabit | so I've been gone for a month. I come back and there are these addons called mapster, routes, gathermate |
| 02:15.08 | Ellipsis | the healers will love me if they ever invite me |
| 02:15.08 | NimbleRabit | they are all so amazing |
| 02:15.12 | kenlyric | looks like you can get 21 per year |
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| 02:15.38 | kenlyric | man, I was so bummed the first year when I couldn't cast mistletoe on myself :( |
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| 02:16.02 | kenlyric | as the guild spirit whore, plenty of people hooked me up. |
| 02:16.54 | kenlyric | NimbleRabit: yeah, I'm waiting on tomtom to get arrows before I switch to mapster |
| 02:17.00 | kenlyric | routes is just... huzzah |
| 02:17.06 | NimbleRabit | I never used the arrows thing in cart anyways |
| 02:17.11 | NimbleRabit | I just open my map and look for the tomtom nodes |
| 02:17.16 | NimbleRabit | but routes, holy crap |
| 02:17.17 | NimbleRabit | amazing |
| 02:17.24 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: I also have lollipops for when the fruitcake runs out :D |
| 02:17.26 | NimbleRabit | it makes me want to just farm all day |
| 02:17.43 | CIA-9 | 03antiarc * r63008 10CVarEditor/ (CVarEditor.lua CVarEditor.toc Data.lua Libs/): CVarEditor: Works now. Needs lots of work on the data types. /cvar edit to open the UI. |
| 02:17.47 | kenlyric | well, arrows save me from having to open up the map :) |
| 02:18.11 | kenlyric | plus, I hear tomtom has arrows, just not checked into the trunk yet |
| 02:19.15 | Arrowmaster | im going to get so much hate if i commit this library branch (i still havent actually tested it yet though) |
| 02:19.49 | Ellipsis | no wai Arrowmaster, drama on wowace?! |
| 02:19.50 | Ellipsis | NEVER! |
| 02:20.45 | Arrowmaster | tell ckk to make Rock accept libraries that dont use rock or aceoo for mixins to an addon |
| 02:21.21 | Arrowmaster | such as ones following the example on www.wowwiki.com/LibStub |
| 02:21.56 | kergoth | kenlyric: trunk has arrows, just has some quirks yet |
| 02:22.11 | kergoth | like lsat i checked you couldnt remove a waypoint, no right click menu on the blip on the map or the arrow yet |
| 02:22.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:22.25 | kenlyric | I guess I meant release on wowi |
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| 02:22.37 | kenlyric | it hasn't been updated since november |
| 02:23.25 | kenlyric | wowace has be backwards... releases on the trunk, beta on the branches |
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| 02:23.48 | kenlyric | *me backwards |
| 02:23.54 | break19 | kenlyric: thats not backwards.... |
| 02:24.06 | kenlyric | it is on mozilla |
| 02:24.09 | break19 | alpha goes on branches, not releases :) |
| 02:24.11 | kergoth | it is for most projects |
| 02:24.22 | break19 | so, technically.. its not backwards. :P |
| 02:24.27 | kenlyric | when mozilla branches off the trunk, it's for a release |
| 02:24.27 | kergoth | i'd say 95% of the projects i've worked on have used trunk as active development |
| 02:24.32 | kenlyric | so that's what I learned from. |
| 02:24.33 | kergoth | probably more than 95, actually |
| 02:24.44 | Kivin | All my projects use trunk as active dev :P |
| 02:24.46 | break19 | tags=release,trunk=beta,branches=spinoffs. |
| 02:25.00 | Kivin | Though I'm starting to use my googlecode more n more so i don't spam the CIA bot |
| 02:26.50 | kenlyric | to be fair, wowace trunk as a collective is a lot more stable than mozilla trunk. |
| 02:26.58 | kenlyric | oh, the delicious pain of nightly trunk builds |
| 02:29.02 | kergoth | Antiarc: nice, cvareditor looks promising.. like otweaks was, but better |
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| 02:30.36 | kenlyric | I need to get on fishing up the fishing node tracker |
| 02:30.39 | CIA-9 | 03nemes * r63009 10NDragIt/NDragIt.lua: |
| 02:30.39 | CIA-9 | NDragIt: |
| 02:30.39 | CIA-9 | - Fix typo in recent commit: zhCN update |
| 02:30.39 | CIA-9 | - Resolve issue with profile reset on uprade, if multiple profiles specified |
| 02:33.42 | Ellipsis | heh, apparently it turns out prozac doesn't work |
| 02:34.03 | kenlyric | don't do it Ellipsis |
| 02:34.08 | NimbleRabit | ahh, can I not add routes to old world locations? |
| 02:34.10 | Ellipsis | lol, I meant http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/feb/26/mentalhealth.medicalresearch |
| 02:34.25 | kenlyric | NimbleRabit: I don't think so |
| 02:34.30 | CIA-9 | 03kivin * r63010 10KivinSpamGuard/rules/english.lua: KivinSpamGuard: new filters courtesy of belarion |
| 02:34.54 | NimbleRabit | kenlyric, that's a downer =/. I was really hoping to use this to help me powerlevel mining |
| 02:34.55 | kenlyric | something about the fact you can't fly |
| 02:35.02 | NimbleRabit | ahh |
| 02:35.04 | kenlyric | I don't understand the details |
| 02:35.04 | NimbleRabit | yeah that makes sense |
| 02:35.15 | Antiarc | kergoth: Heh, thanks |
| 02:35.16 | NimbleRabit | it would probably create routes straight through mountains and stuff |
| 02:36.27 | iPlay | anyone possibly give me a hand with pitbull? |
| 02:36.46 | kenlyric | there's actually a way to blacklist certain areas for when you can't fly. |
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| 02:39.05 | CIA-9 | 03antiarc * r63011 10CVarEditor/ (CVarEditor.lua Data.lua): CVarEditor: More data tweaks. |
| 02:39.20 | break19 | NimbleRabit: what do you mean you can't add routes in oldworld zones? I have a route in felwood for my pally.. |
| 02:39.53 | dylanm | http://elitistjerks.com/655772-post90.html |
| 02:40.19 | Antiarc | Huh. |
| 02:41.56 | NimbleRabit | break19, well, I can't. The dropdown menu only has outland stuff |
| 02:43.26 | CIA-9 | 03nemes * r63012 10NDragIt/NDragIt.lua: |
| 02:43.26 | CIA-9 | NDragIt: |
| 02:43.26 | CIA-9 | - Typo fix: /nfr -> /nfi |
| 02:43.33 | kergoth | i use routes all the time, have routes in all the major azeroth zones. use the new 'taboos' support to avoid it wanting me to walk through mountains |
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| 02:46.20 | sdouble | wlking through mountains is great |
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| 02:52.27 | MentalPower | Anyone here have Garry's Mod (for Source)? I want to know if the sourcecode for it is included or not |
| 02:52.59 | Arrowmaster | since you now have to pay for it, i doubt it |
| 02:53.23 | kagaro | NimbleRabit: do you have GatherMate data for the old world? |
| 02:54.26 | kagaro | NimbleRabit: grab the GatherMate_Data module and merg in the old world zones |
| 02:54.40 | NimbleRabit | Yes I do |
| 02:54.58 | kenlyric | and then cleanup, v important after import |
| 02:55.15 | NimbleRabit | maybe it's just because I'm in the new world righ tnow |
| 02:55.42 | NimbleRabit | I'll try it later when I'm on kalimdor |
| 02:55.59 | sylvanaar | chatconfigframe - that new? |
| 02:56.59 | NimbleRabit | any other cool mods come out in the last 2 months? |
| 02:59.21 | break19 | meh. blizz's xml parser sucks... </ui> isnt the same as </Ui> and wont work.. was giving me a headache until i figured it out just now |
| 02:59.45 | Fin | woo: http://fin.instinct.org/mods/google/ |
| 03:00.33 | break19 | NimbleRabit: I'm assuming you know TourGuide and LightHeaded? |
| 03:00.53 | break19 | oh.. check out Xparky as well... neat little thing. |
| 03:01.03 | NimbleRabit | lightheaded yes, what is tourguide |
| 03:01.15 | NimbleRabit | lightheaded is old |
| 03:01.17 | NimbleRabit | =D |
| 03:01.30 | robotusch | TourGuide is a levelling guide addon |
| 03:01.46 | robotusch | http://www.tekkub.net/tourguide.htm |
| 03:01.50 | break19 | leveling guide framework.. by tekkub |
| 03:02.08 | robotusch | rha |
| 03:02.22 | robotusch | I'm going to murder whoever came up with that damn xpantivirus thing |
| 03:03.04 | NimbleRabit | ooh it looks nice |
| 03:04.46 | kenlyric | it is |
| 03:05.01 | kenlyric | except today when it told me would we gather dream dust later and then never did! |
| 03:05.09 | kenlyric | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.42 | break19 | dont blame the framework. blame the guide :) |
| 03:06.13 | break19 | 'like blaming fubar for a plugin acting badly :P |
| 03:06.37 | kenlyric | I BLAME YOU |
| 03:07.26 | NimbleRabit | leveling just keeps getting easier and easier with these amazing addons coming out |
| 03:09.01 | kenlyric | yeah. mods mean never having to alt-tab out :) |
| 03:09.49 | break19 | until I can irc from within wow, i will always need to switch to a window...' |
| 03:10.06 | kenlyric | true, but I don't need irc to level. |
| 03:10.17 | kenlyric | except to ask endless tuning questions about my build... |
| 03:10.24 | break19 | heh |
| 03:11.42 | break19 | kenlyric: blame me all you want tho... you can't prove a thing :) |
| 03:12.12 | Diao | hmm |
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| 03:13.53 | Mudkipz | dfasdfl |
| 03:13.54 | Mudkipz | ffs |
| 03:14.02 | Antiarc | Oh, yay |
| 03:14.04 | Antiarc | The PTRs are up |
| 03:14.31 | Mudkipz | i really hate pidgin right now... for some reason it's droppping my connections randomly for aim and msn then doesn't reconnect |
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| 03:19.51 | breser | Anyone else notice the latest Pitbull is sometimes not showing buffs that aren't supposed to be filtered... |
| 03:20.01 | NimbleRabit | Mudkipz, does that to me for msn all the time |
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| 03:22.15 | NimbleRabit | yeah I think it's finally time for me to switch to necb |
| 03:22.56 | Chaud | Fisker-: stat stacking is back |
| 03:29.37 | Ellipsis | breser: weapon buffs? or something else? |
| 03:31.47 | breser | Ellipsis: I specifically noticed Mark of the Wild |
| 03:31.53 | breser | It's turned on and sometimes it shows. |
| 03:31.59 | breser | But sometimes I'll cast it and it'll not show up. |
| 03:33.01 | breser | (this is on live incidentally too, I noticed the filtering system seems to be forked between 2.3 and 2.4) |
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| 03:41.06 | Miyari | Is it possible to reskin buff icons in ElkBuffBars or do I have to use a different buff mod? |
| 03:47.52 | breser | Ellipsis: I'll add this only seems to occur on the raid frames. I'm seeing it happen with mark and lifebloom but I'm guessing just about anything will cause it. |
| 03:49.52 | Kivin | !ap 1743 |
| 03:49.55 | WoWLuaircBot | Kivin: Arena points from a rating of 1743 is, 2v2: 511, 3v3: 591, 5v5: 672 |
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| 03:53.39 | Ellipsis | breser: all right, thanks for the report, I'll see if I can figure out what might be wrong |
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| 04:04.03 | Arrowmaster | does Xparky not automaticlly change to the watched rep? |
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| 04:12.58 | CIA-9 | 03nemes * r63013 10NShakedown/ (NShakedown.lua StandardUI.lua): |
| 04:12.58 | CIA-9 | NShakedown: |
| 04:12.58 | CIA-9 | - add /nsd |
| 04:12.58 | CIA-9 | - Wrap all addon's starting and stopping in pcall, to handle errors more neatly |
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| 04:16.47 | break19 | is there an acelocale3 api on the site? I know its not referenced anywhere, but then, neither is the aceconfig3 wiki page, which clearly exists |
| 04:17.21 | WobWork | acelocale is about as simple as it gets |
| 04:17.27 | WobWork | the api is in the docs folder of Ace3 |
| 04:18.19 | break19 | wob, and how does one get to that? lol |
| 04:18.43 | break19 | since, as I said.. ace3 isnt on the main wiki page, nor the libraries page, not even the addons page |
| 04:18.50 | dylanm | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace3/docs/ |
| 04:18.51 | duaiwe | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace3/docs/AceLocale-3.0.txt |
| 04:18.54 | WobWork | If you downloaded Ace3, it's in the docs folder |
| 04:18.58 | duaiwe | yeesh, wts [A Clue] |
| 04:19.33 | break19 | does 3.0 not support table'd translations? |
| 04:19.51 | WobWork | like? |
| 04:20.51 | break19 | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/WeaponRebuff/localization/WeaponRebuff-enUS.lua - about halfway down.. |
| 04:21.55 | WobWork | no |
| 04:22.21 | break19 | meh ok.. that just made my job a whee bit more time consuming. lol |
| 04:23.15 | break19 | what started out a simple "update my local copies of things to use updated libs" turned into "what can I update locally, to use ace3?" |
| 04:23.16 | break19 | heh |
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| 04:23.48 | WobWork | easy enough to convert |
| 04:23.57 | WobWork | gvim regexp ftw |
| 04:24.49 | break19 | WobWork: problem is.. i'm still in useless-noob-shit-for-brains mode... |
| 04:24.50 | dylanm | Wob were you saying "it does, in fact support tables in the Locale instance" or "no, it doesn't"? |
| 04:25.13 | break19 | dylanm: he said no, which I infer to mean no.. not yes.. |
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| 04:29.00 | WobWork | I don't believe it does |
| 04:29.07 | WobWork | because it was cut down as much as possbile |
| 04:29.14 | WobWork | but then, I haven't looked at the code recently =) |
| 04:29.27 | kagaro | anyone here good with messing with frame scaling? |
| 04:29.50 | dylanm | I'm just going through the source. It doesn't seem to prohibit such a thing. |
| 04:30.00 | kagaro | I got a bug Im just not seeing, would appreciate someone to give it a second set of eyes |
| 04:31.22 | WobWork | dylanm: I guess it doesn't not allow such things |
| 04:31.28 | WobWork | In fact, it probably will work |
| 04:31.36 | WobWork | although I'm not sure how one references such tables easily |
| 04:31.52 | WobWork | numerical indexes don't seem particularly easy to interpret |
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| 04:42.29 | break19 | WobWork: well.. it doesn't seem to work, so I would have to say it doesn't.. but I could be doing it wrong. |
| 04:46.45 | CIA-9 | 03benumbed * r63014 10DaPortrait/ (Core.lua modules/Camera.lua): |
| 04:46.45 | CIA-9 | DaPortrait: |
| 04:46.45 | CIA-9 | - Cleaned up code |
| 04:46.45 | CIA-9 | - Added Mouse Sensitivity to Controls |
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| 04:48.21 | Mikk | Hmmm.... (I wrote AceLocale-3.0) |
| 04:48.31 | Mikk | That table mode seems interestingish |
| 04:49.11 | Mikk | I don't see a reason off the top of my head why it shouldn't work |
| 04:49.40 | Mikk | You'd have to rewrite it like L["spellNames]" = { stuff goes here } but .... |
| 04:50.17 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: fyi for 2.4 and using the death events, just did kara on live and got R+J, got a death event after every kill but dots still did damage after they died |
| 04:50.20 | WobWork | yeah, if the implementation is to reference it via L["spellNames"][2] then you'll be fine |
| 04:50.22 | break19 | then yea.. i prolly wasnt doing it right... |
| 04:50.25 | Mikk | On one hand it's not something I'd like to code in wonky extra support for, but the way I see it it Should Just Work, and if it does, I don't mind adding it to the spec |
| 04:50.42 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: in P3 we killed J then R and after R died my dots were still ticking on J |
| 04:50.54 | break19 | i'll try it again in a sec.. |
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| 04:51.16 | Nandini | Arrowmaster: You were getting combat log spell damage events on J after she died? that is awesome! |
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| 04:51.35 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: so you will need a threat modules for all fights that do that, including kael |
| 04:51.52 | WobWork | That could be a programming issue =) ie, J isn't actually flagged as dead until they check R |
| 04:51.53 | Arrowmaster | Nandini: yeah after the p3 death the dots were still ticking until she became lootable |
| 04:52.17 | Arrowmaster | thats exactly what it is, they fire the death event but they arent really dead and lootable yet |
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| 04:54.04 | Arrowmaster | maybe we could ask them to fire another death event when those kinda mobs really do die |
| 04:54.27 | WobWork | "J is mostly dead" |
| 04:54.42 | break19 | Mikk: am I right in assuming "AceLibrary:HasInstance("Waterfall-1.0") and AceLibrary("Waterfall-1.0")" can simply be replaced by a single LibStub("Waterfall-1.0") ? |
| 04:54.53 | Nandini | i wonder if it is possible for (from the server's perspective) mobs to go below 0 health, and bosses like R & J simply continue to get negative health without being dead |
| 04:55.22 | Nandini | without being REALLY dead i mean :) |
| 04:55.30 | Arrowmaster | break19: yes but then you wont get Waterfall-1.0 automaticlly loaded if it isnt yet |
| 04:56.16 | Nandini | until another server side event marks them as dead |
| 04:56.17 | break19 | Arrowmaster: solvable by placing waterfall in the optdeps, correct? and what happens if the user doesnt -have- waterfall? |
| 04:56.41 | Arrowmaster | libstub will error |
| 04:56.45 | Arrowmaster | unless you tell it not to |
| 04:56.50 | Mikk | break19: you can give it a "silent" switch |
| 04:56.56 | break19 | the original addon had -optional- waterfall support.. so. how's the best way now? |
| 04:57.13 | WobWork | break19: AceConfig3 |
| 04:57.17 | break19 | LibStub("Waterfall-1.0",silent)? or.... |
| 04:57.26 | Mikk | true |
| 04:57.31 | WobWork | Break away from that entirely imo |
| 04:57.43 | Mikk | LibStub("Waterfall-1.0",true) |
| 04:57.47 | WobWork | AceConfig3 is shiny |
| 04:57.48 | break19 | WobWork: i'm not ready to dive into this code to figure out where his option table is.. it's quite convoluted to my noobish eyes.. |
| 04:58.15 | Mikk | And yeah gogo optdep - solves the entire issue just fine |
| 04:59.17 | Arrowmaster | since its optional you could also do LoadAddon() |
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| 04:59.48 | Arrowmaster | are you making an ace2 addon? |
| 05:00.35 | Mikk | He's making a hybrid addon! |
| 05:00.35 | break19 | no.. doin some maintenance on an already existing one, attempting to convert much of it to ace3, but until I get good at it, its gonna have to use bits of old libs.. like waterfall. and dewdrop, etc. |
| 05:00.42 | break19 | yea, lol |
| 05:00.54 | break19 | really just for learning experience for myself. |
| 05:01.02 | Mikk | mmmm and until we get a dropdown lib ace3d :) |
| 05:01.43 | WobWork | I wonder if we can improve on dewdrop |
| 05:02.02 | Mikk | Something tells me it could be massively shrunk |
| 05:02.04 | WobWork | like, having the menus delay disappearing |
| 05:02.04 | break19 | god I hope so.. that thing scares me, as is.. heh |
| 05:02.28 | WobWork | or escape to close the most recently opened dewdrop |
| 05:02.33 | WobWork | and arrowkeyable movement |
| 05:02.35 | break19 | however.. i think another alternative is already on the horizon. |
| 05:02.40 | Mikk | oh? |
| 05:02.52 | lagger | whats the texture path to that icon with the guy's face smiling at you |
| 05:03.36 | Mikk | Icons/Temp.blp i think |
| 05:04.20 | Mikk | yeah it is |
| 05:04.27 | lagger | kk thx |
| 05:04.41 | durcyn | isn't that Samwise |
| 05:04.43 | Mikk | it is |
| 05:04.58 | Kivin | lol wondered who that was |
| 05:05.10 | Kivin | got one of samwise's paintings as my wallpaper |
| 05:05.24 | break19 | mikk: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10839.0 starts off as a "fubarplugin for ace3?" but turns into "bar-independant info library" aiming to be cross-compatible with fubar/titan/anything else.. tekkub's already working on a testbed for it... |
| 05:05.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Does anyone here use GridLayoutPlus? |
| 05:06.16 | Mikk | Kivin: http://www.warcraft3france.com/uploads/media/Portrait_Samwise.jpg |
| 05:06.21 | Mikk | oh wait, that was only _nearly_ him :P |
| 05:06.39 | WobWork | hehe |
| 05:06.43 | Kivin | *blink* |
| 05:06.46 | WobWork | looks like a member of KISS |
| 05:07.15 | Mikk | http://starcraft.incgamers.com/gallery/data/512/medium/014_Samwise_Didier.jpg <- actually him this time :P |
| 05:07.29 | break19 | basically, instead of the addon having to include "thisbarmodslib-1.0" they'd simply offer the data.. the individual barmod (or whatever) will take that data and display it in it's own native format.. taking the burden off the info addons to support many barmods, and instead the barmod authors will become compatible with the new "standard".. |
| 05:07.32 | WobWork | http://blufiles.storage.msn.com/y1psoMBgvGJOz-BzGabzODyUESE35APd6-aopS9Um6bPqybr9ujHoGrwIDm6LUjIbuP9XbSVCMVRDY |
| 05:07.45 | Mikk | break19: yeah... but that doesn't solve dropdowns et al |
| 05:07.51 | Kivin | http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5131/desktop2nw1.jpg |
| 05:07.58 | WobWork | Mikk: wow |
| 05:08.13 | WobWork | it's hard to tell where the hair begins and ends and where the real Samwise begins |
| 05:08.21 | break19 | true, but dropdowns would be covered by whatever infodisplay the end-user chooses to have.. |
| 05:08.48 | Mikk | not so sure it's doable that way |
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| 05:09.04 | Mikk | i mean.. fubar doesn't even have dropdown menus, really |
| 05:09.16 | WobWork | Kivin: That's a cute portrait |
| 05:09.23 | Arrowmaster | speaking of "fubarplugin for ace3?" i actually took LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 and made it not use Rock |
| 05:09.25 | WobWork | although one has to wonder where the ponytail is coming from |
| 05:09.26 | Mikk | it's your addon showing the dropdown after its fubar icon got clicked |
| 05:09.32 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: Share? |
| 05:09.34 | Arrowmaster | i still need to test it |
| 05:09.35 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: woo? |
| 05:09.48 | Mikk | Then again I still use fubar2 |
| 05:09.50 | Mikk | :> |
| 05:09.57 | break19 | Mikk: thats the whole thing.. with this one, it WONT be your addon... it'll be the barmod's responsibility to provide it. |
| 05:10.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah it wont work with fubar2 |
| 05:10.10 | Arrowmaster | yet |
| 05:10.44 | Arrowmaster | the things that i really need to test are the acedb-3 useage |
| 05:10.49 | Arrowmaster | the callbacks |
| 05:11.10 | break19 | your addon will just have the data available.. if you choose to have it display ticker-tape style in some legoblock, thats your choice.. if you want it on a barmod, with dropdown menus, thats your choice.. choose a display mod that does what you want. |
| 05:11.39 | break19 | for example.. fubar3 doesnt do drop downs.. you want dropdowns.. you get a mod that -does- do dropdowns. end of story. |
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| 05:12.43 | WobWork | wouldn't that require standardising the datapackage so that all these different formats -could- be supported? |
| 05:12.54 | break19 | WobWork: exactly.. |
| 05:13.35 | break19 | read the thread.. I'm not all that great at attempting to condense the entire discussion :) |
| 05:14.11 | Mikk | Afaik, the idea is to provide: 1. An icon 2. A text 3. A blank tooltip that you can shove shit into 4. An OnClick callback |
| 05:14.15 | break19 | WobWork: interesting to note.. Tristanian of Titan panel has already posted that he'd be ready to move to the standard once it was established.. soo. |
| 05:14.35 | Mikk | Meaning it won't handle dropdown menus etc at all |
| 05:14.37 | WobWork | break19: hehe that's very cool |
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| 05:14.41 | Mikk | (And shouldn't) |
| 05:14.56 | break19 | mikk: correct, thats the display end's problem.. not the data end. |
| 05:15.20 | WobWork | in the end, we still probably need a good dropdown menu doohickeywidget |
| 05:15.23 | break19 | 2 addons. 1 the data end, provides the data.. the display end.. displays it, in it's own way.. |
| 05:15.23 | Mikk | Yes |
| 05:15.43 | Mikk | Yes, but the display end won't do dropdowns |
| 05:15.49 | Mikk | Not will it do configuration dialogs |
| 05:15.51 | Mikk | Nor* |
| 05:15.55 | break19 | WobWork: no, whats needed is for the aceconfig3 dropdown selection widget to not be larger than my screen :) |
| 05:16.01 | Mikk | The display end will do icon, text, tooltip. That's it. |
| 05:16.13 | break19 | Mikk: read the thread |
| 05:16.50 | WobWork | break19: don't use a screenres of 80x60? =) |
| 05:17.19 | break19 | WobWork: actually its 1024x768.. and if you want me to go bigger, you gotta buy me a new laptop :) |
| 05:17.29 | WobWork | eeeeeeeeeeepc |
| 05:17.39 | WobWork | ! |
| 05:18.15 | WobWork | is the dropdown selection widget -that- big? |
| 05:20.47 | Mikk | Meh, I think he's overly complicating the lib |
| 05:20.52 | Mikk | I'm not even sure it needs to be a lib |
| 05:24.27 | break19 | WobWork: it is when it's used to display SharedMedia textures :) |
| 05:29.39 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: did you want to play with the derocked fubarplugin? like i said i havent even tested it |
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| 05:35.59 | Gngsk | Antiarc, ping |
| 05:36.13 | Antiarc | pong |
| 05:36.26 | Gngsk | threat-2.0 takes in to affect salv and destructive reach, right? |
| 05:36.40 | Antiarc | Should. |
| 05:37.04 | Gngsk | have a warlock with both saying he's getting 1:1 threat, not sure how accurate it is though since I can't see for myself |
| 05:37.14 | WobWork | break19: That merely means that SML needs to have better organisation, not that AC3 is flawed =P |
| 05:37.41 | break19 | heh |
| 05:37.47 | Antiarc | Hrm |
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| 05:46.59 | break19 | hrm is right... local T = LibStub("AceLocale-3.0"):NewLocale("WeaponRebuff","enUS",true) is in my locale file.. and yet I'm getting WeaponRebuff.lua:15: Usage: No locales registered for 'WeaponRebuff' |
| 05:49.39 | Arrowmaster | is the locale file loading? |
| 05:50.10 | break19 | Arrowmaster: it should be.. i didnt change the name, or the location in the toc, and it was loading before I changed it from al-2.2 |
| 05:50.24 | Thorgard | Rut roh. Broke my doggie. |
| 05:51.04 | Thorgard | Hmm, managed to somehow break the fonts in Pitbull while browsing around between some. PitBull_Aura\Update.lua:438: PitBullFontString6:SetText(): Font not set |
| 05:51.08 | Thorgard | PitBull-2.0r63000\PitBull.lua:4814: in function `_PopulateUnitFrame' |
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| 05:57.36 | break19 | meh, i got it.. |
| 05:58.48 | break19 | the toc called an xml file, which in turn called all the embeds, then the core luas, then the locales.. and I guess that way was fine under ace2, but ace3 doesnt like it when you dont load locales before the core lua |
| 06:00.23 | digmouse | call/load sequence? |
| 06:01.17 | Arrowmaster | umm duh |
| 06:01.23 | Arrowmaster | you have to call the locales before the core |
| 06:01.24 | Arrowmaster | always |
| 06:01.29 | Arrowmaster | even in ace2 |
| 06:03.24 | break19 | arrow, it worked finehow it was.. so thats not exactly true |
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| 06:04.04 | break19 | go get WeaponRebuff off the trunk.. if what you just said was true, then it wouldnt work.. since the locales are loaded last.. but it does work. |
| 06:08.32 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63015 10aX_RaidStatus/ (3 files): |
| 06:08.32 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 06:08.32 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Issue with bars not updating at all after forcing an update first |
| 06:08.33 | CIA-9 | - Change: Changed one of the messages. |
| 06:08.33 | CIA-9 | - New: Debug Message to show if a player manages to get past all of the checks and not get added to a list. (You will be spammed, but add them to something and it will go away) This will be removed eventually. |
| 06:08.34 | CIA-9 | - Updated: Localization file enUS |
| 06:09.01 | Atriace | Anyone know if there's a way to specify the child of an object (as opposed to the parent)? |
| 06:09.09 | Arrowmaster | well that shouldnt work |
| 06:09.15 | break19 | but it does :P |
| 06:09.44 | break19 | which is why I didnt even follow the xml file until it didnt work anymore.. :P |
| 06:17.01 | break19 | meh.. im getting an invalid datatype error.. this is gonna be a pain in the ass.. |
| 06:17.41 | break19 | WeaponRebuff\WeaponRebuff.lua:465: Usage: AceDBObject:RegisterDefaults(defaults): 'wrTextAlarms_warning' is not a valid datatype. |
| 06:17.57 | CIA-9 | 03barfolomeu * r63016 10/branches/FlightHUD/ (FlightHUD.lua Locale-enUS.lua): Collaborate with myself |
| 06:18.14 | break19 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.18 | Kurax | May because it's not compatible |
| 06:18.51 | break19 | compatible with what? i dont see the problem here... |
| 06:20.31 | Arrowmaster | break19: read the acedb3 docs |
| 06:20.34 | Arrowmaster | your doing it wrong |
| 06:21.15 | break19 | i -have- read the docs.. |
| 06:21.27 | Arrowmaster | read them again |
| 06:21.30 | Arrowmaster | you are doing it wrong |
| 06:23.06 | Kurax | From I guess, you're registering a default key that do not exist in the db |
| 06:23.12 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 06:23.24 | Arrowmaster | because his default table is incorrect and he needs to read the docs again |
| 06:25.32 | Ellipsis | oh Arrowmaster, why are you so helpful |
| 06:25.35 | break19 | im trying to ESTABLISH the damn default table here.. |
| 06:25.53 | Arrowmaster | and your default table is layed out incorrectly |
| 06:26.07 | break19 | http://ace.pastey.net/83002 |
| 06:26.19 | Arrowmaster | because you are using the same default table that was used for ace2 instead of adjusting it for ace3 |
| 06:27.32 | Ellipsis | why is everything prefixed with wr? o.O |
| 06:27.56 | break19 | dont ask me.. I dont feel like rewriting the whole damn thing, just updating it. |
| 06:28.11 | NightHawkTheSane | so. |
| 06:28.27 | NightHawkTheSane | protip: Water Walking + Lurker Below = Spout HILARITY |
| 06:29.56 | Arrowmaster | break19: in ace2 its :RegisterDefaults("dataType", defaults), in ace3 its :RegisterDefaults( [defaults] ) |
| 06:30.02 | Arrowmaster | break19: notice the difference |
| 06:30.19 | Arrowmaster | guess whats missing from your table |
| 06:30.35 | break19 | profile = { |
| 06:30.40 | Arrowmaster | bingo |
| 06:32.46 | break19 | now.. "you're missing something.. look close" instead "you're doing it wrong" no fuckin shit Im doing it wrong.. if I -wasnt- doing it wrong it'd been working.. |
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| 06:34.58 | Kurax | lol |
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| 06:43.52 | CIA-9 | 03benumbed * r63017 10DaPortrait/Constants.lua: |
| 06:43.52 | CIA-9 | DaPortrait: |
| 06:43.52 | CIA-9 | - Removed Constants Temporarily |
| 06:45.46 | CIA-9 | 03benumbed * r63018 10DaPortrait/ (Core.lua modules/Camera.lua): |
| 06:45.46 | CIA-9 | DaPortrait: |
| 06:45.46 | CIA-9 | - Fix so Core wont throw errors without Constants |
| 06:46.00 | break19 | goddammit.. |
| 06:46.52 | ckknight | pastamancer: end isn't required for dogtag since you don't do multiple statements in one dogtag |
| 06:47.05 | CIA-9 | 03ensabahnur * r63019 10FuBar_PvpFu/Core.lua: |
| 06:47.05 | CIA-9 | FuBar_PvpFu: |
| 06:47.05 | CIA-9 | - add DE Locale |
| 06:47.13 | break19 | he uses a scheduled repeating event, that fires once per second, to check your debuffs@! |
| 06:47.56 | break19 | lol. ben thought I was talkin about him for a sec. no worries ben. I love DaP. |
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| 06:49.40 | break19 | one suggestion if I may? if we do an emote, can the portrait reflect it? so if I'm in cognito, under my nelf, standing near a mailbox.. and she begins to dance.. she dances in the portrait.. :) |
| 06:50.13 | basslingo | ya here wobin, or busy workin atm |
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| 06:53.17 | break19 | ok guys.. so what would be the better way to do this in ace3: acetimer? what... ScheduleRepeatingEvent(WeaponRebuff.ItemBuffButton_OnUpdate, 1, self) |
| 06:54.05 | break19 | the mod shows a clickable button that you can click to rebuff your weapon with the previous (or current) buff, and it shows a timer as well... |
| 06:55.00 | break19 | should I be looking at acetimer? or? |
| 07:02.14 | break19 | AceTimer:ScheduleRepeatingTimer( callback, delay, arg ) - is delay in 1/10s ? so for 10s it'd be 100? |
| 07:02.59 | Gngsk | what data center is the test server in? |
| 07:03.18 | ckknight | break19: why wouldn't it be seconds? |
| 07:03.56 | CIA-9 | 03nemes * r63020 10NShakedown/ (19 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:03.56 | CIA-9 | NShakedown: |
| 07:03.56 | CIA-9 | - globals are bad, mmkay? |
| 07:04.22 | break19 | ckknight: because I read too much into the "the smallest setting can be 1/10th of a second".. and the docs dont explicitly state the fact.. |
| 07:04.43 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:08.01 | Kerafyrm | Gngsk: odds are the PTR is locally to BlizzHQ in Irvine |
| 07:08.18 | Kerafyrm | so, the LA or Irvine DCs |
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| 07:09.11 | Arrowmaster | break19: yes its in seconds |
| 07:09.39 | break19 | Arrowmaster: thank you |
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| 07:18.47 | Aike | hello ppl :-) |
| 07:19.22 | Aike | I got some "coding questions". Anyone heer? ;-) |
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| 07:20.05 | break19 | no. we're all too busy contemplating our navels. |
| 07:20.23 | Aike | o.O |
| 07:20.42 | Ellipsis | can I borrow yours, break19? mine is dirty |
| 07:20.54 | Aike | usually, a lot of the guys are just hanging around in the channel *g* |
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| 07:21.08 | Ellipsis | yeah, but the girls never are |
| 07:21.09 | break19 | I need mine to hold my cup when I'm coding :/ |
| 07:21.17 | Aike | hehehe |
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| 07:22.09 | break19 | its one of those big 42oz mugs from the local truck stop too.. holds it great, and I can reach the straw without having to move my head much! |
| 07:22.10 | Aike | So, well, I want to get a menu into my addon and I don't get a starting point from all the other addons :-/ |
| 07:22.32 | break19 | Aike: what type of menu? like a dropdown menu? or a nice little gui? |
| 07:22.41 | Aike | No, just dropdown |
| 07:23.01 | break19 | *just* dropdown.. its easier to make the gui. :) |
| 07:23.06 | Aike | lol |
| 07:23.13 | Aike | that's funnf |
| 07:23.15 | Aike | funny |
| 07:23.33 | break19 | what type of addon? |
| 07:23.44 | Aike | it's an autorez |
| 07:24.02 | break19 | and what exactly are you wanting in the menu? |
| 07:24.28 | Aike | If I told you, you'd laugh and send me away ;-) |
| 07:25.03 | Ellipsis | but if you don't tell us, we can't help, and we'll just send you away anyway |
| 07:25.04 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 07:25.06 | break19 | I could laugh and send you away either way.. so whatcha got to loose? |
| 07:25.12 | break19 | s/loose/lose/ |
| 07:25.28 | Aike | At first, I'd like to have a simple on/off switch |
| 07:25.44 | Aike | Hm, I could have that as a parameter or s.th. like that ;-) |
| 07:25.52 | break19 | easy enough. |
| 07:26.15 | break19 | you wanting to put this on fubar or standalone? |
| 07:26.22 | Aike | fubar would be nice |
| 07:27.59 | break19 | then it gets much easier. |
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| 07:28.48 | Aike | great 8-) |
| 07:29.26 | break19 | I might suggest you pick up something very simple off the file server.. something like Xperlfu.. you could make it so that a simple click of the icon enable/disables the mod |
| 07:29.29 | Aike | So, how do I do it? Can I get some premade stuff anywhere and edit that? |
| 07:30.08 | Aike | Ah, ok. I'll take a look at that |
| 07:30.10 | break19 | premade? well.. you can look at the multitude of fubar plugins, and see just how its done.. or.. you could simply read the specs on the website... |
| 07:30.26 | Aike | specs? |
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| 07:53.20 | Orionshock | grrr... |
| 07:53.35 | Orionshock | ..looks like i'll either be making something custom, or reInventing LibGratuity |
| 07:53.37 | Orionshock | >.> |
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| 08:01.51 | Elsia | morning |
| 08:02.18 | Elsia | any new developlemnts on the PTR password issue? |
| 08:02.39 | jy | ptr up on us it seems |
| 08:02.43 | jy | but wow-europe down |
| 08:02.49 | jy | last time i checked |
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| 08:03.29 | Elsia | thanks |
| 08:03.43 | Elsia | yeah, wow-europe down and ptr login still borked |
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| 08:04.17 | papyros | ros |
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| 08:04.52 | CIA-9 | 03zhinjio * r63021 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/LibPeriodicTable-3.1-Misc/LibPeriodicTable-3.1-Misc.lua: (log message trimmed) |
| 08:04.52 | CIA-9 | LibPeriodicTable-3.1: LPT-3.1-Misc |
| 08:04.52 | CIA-9 | Added Items: |
| 08:04.52 | CIA-9 | 23827 - Super Sapper Charge -- added to Misc.Explosives.Engineering |
| 08:04.52 | CIA-9 | 34492 - Rocket Chicken -- added to Misc.Minipet.Normal |
| 08:04.54 | CIA-9 | 34535 - Azure Whelpling -- added to Misc.Minipet.Normal |
| 08:04.58 | CIA-9 | 4823 - Water of the Seers -- added to Misc.Usable.Quest |
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| 08:15.47 | Grum | <Orionshock> ..looks like i'll either be making something custom, or reInventing LibGratuity <-- mmm what are you going to do? |
| 08:15.57 | Grum | i might be intrested for another possible pet-project |
| 08:16.25 | Orionshock | need the Find() function to use string.match and to do a :lower() on the text first |
| 08:16.55 | theoddone33 | is it just me or are druids really not very efficient healers in the 29 bracket? |
| 08:16.59 | Arrowmaster | whats the Find() function use now? string.find? |
| 08:17.35 | Orionshock | ya |
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| 08:17.59 | Arrowmaster | no issue then |
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| 08:18.17 | Orionshock | err |
| 08:18.18 | Arrowmaster | string.match is equal to select(3,string.find) |
| 08:18.45 | Orionshock | ... it's not behaving the way i need it and im not smart enough to figure out why -.- |
| 08:19.11 | Arrowmaster | ok what are you passing to it? |
| 08:19.37 | Arrowmaster | is it preset or user defined? |
| 08:19.50 | Orionshock | user defined |
| 08:20.29 | Arrowmaster | can you solve the string.match vs string.find issue on your own? |
| 08:20.56 | Orionshock | prolly not :| |
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| 08:22.49 | Orionshock | take a look at \GuildCraft\GuildCraft_Browser\BrowserUI.lua line 247 |
| 08:23.58 | Orionshock | imo it's perfectly find with jsut doing title scanning.. all i need tbh, but some one asked for tt searching too |
| 08:24.35 | Orionshock | half way tempted to tell em to go fk themselves |
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| 08:27.45 | |Snago| | for locale files, should I encode in UTF8 with or without BOM? |
| 08:27.51 | Arrowmaster | with |
| 08:27.59 | |Snago| | ok, thanks |
| 08:28.01 | lanc0r | any1 knows when there will be a new, "usabele", TinyTip ? |
| 08:28.15 | CIA-9 | 03orionshock * r63022 10GuildCraft/GuildCraft_Browser/BrowserUI.lua: |
| 08:28.15 | CIA-9 | GuildCraft: |
| 08:28.15 | CIA-9 | -disable tooltip searching, not acting as expected. |
| 08:28.17 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: wait so your not actually using the results from Find()? |
| 08:28.28 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: no |
| 08:28.43 | Arrowmaster | how was it acting? |
| 08:29.33 | Arrowmaster | sounds like you just need to solve the capitalization issue? |
| 08:29.38 | Orionshock | not finding the things i know are there, like i search "agi" and it finds nothing for enchanting stuff. when i know there are items there with the partial word "agi" in it. |
| 08:29.51 | Orionshock | ya, so a :lower() on the search strings would be nice |
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| 08:33.49 | Elsia | could you not search for "gi" and after the returns check for "a" or "A"? for the letter before or is that giving too many false positives? |
| 08:34.41 | Orionshock | Elsia: it would assume that i have the string being searched, witch i do not, as i didn't implement the tooltip search. |
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| 08:35.56 | Elsia | hmm let me actually look at that code |
| 08:35.58 | Xinhuan | in other words, you claimed to implement something you did not? |
| 08:36.32 | Orionshock | it was working, but not as intended |
| 08:37.09 | Orionshock | and claim nothing, it searched, i did do it, thus i can /claim/ that i put in a tooltip search ability :P |
| 08:37.48 | Xinhuan | you mean you put in a search for "tooltip titles" that doesn't temporarily do string.lower on both the searchstring and the string being searched |
| 08:37.50 | Orionshock | granted the function() to search was a lib doing it is imo quite irrelevant :P |
| 08:37.57 | Elsia | couldn't you feed gratuity's Find both all lower and first-letter-caps for a find run each? |
| 08:38.30 | Xinhuan | LibGratuity is an abomination that shouldn't have existed |
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| 08:38.44 | Elsia | first letter caps code: string.upper(string.sub(capsstr,1,1))..string.lower(string.sub(capsstr,2)) |
| 08:38.57 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: scaning tt's is a pitfall of the blizzard api, blame them |
| 08:39.03 | Xinhuan | it barely costs 1 kb of memory to write your own find function and use your own tooltip |
| 08:39.10 | Xinhuan | how can that be a pitfall? |
| 08:39.25 | clad|office | its good to know that regardless of when i'm awake, Xinhuan is on. It's comforting :P |
| 08:39.44 | Xinhuan | i have 20 lines of code that do the exact thing - scan item tooltips for sets can sizes, for eg |
| 08:39.54 | Xinhuan | set sizes* |
| 08:40.50 | Xinhuan | and the 20 lines of code does the exact job needed - scan for an item's set size (if its part of a set), no more, no less |
| 08:41.04 | clad|office | Shadowed made a IncomingHeals module for PerfectRaid |
| 08:41.27 | Xinhuan | using a library like libgratuity that is 20x as long and doesn't do the job you need is.. well just bad |
| 08:42.03 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: :D i don't claim to be a good programer, just a hack :P |
| 08:42.03 | Ellipsis | but it's a lib, so it's better!!!11 |
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| 08:42.11 | Xinhuan | if it helps, you can go look at how CraftyGnome scans tooltips |
| 08:42.21 | Xinhuan | or Craftlist2 |
| 08:42.24 | Grum | wtb EU servers up! |
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| 08:42.33 | Orionshock | i know how to scan tooltips, just don't want to implement it myself |
| 08:42.47 | Xinhuan | and why wouldn't you? |
| 08:42.56 | Orionshock | lazy |
| 08:43.01 | Elsia | talking about stealing code, anyone got neat roster-like code I can steal? ;) |
| 08:43.03 | Ellipsis | it would take you less time to implement it than to figure out how to make gratuity work for you |
| 08:43.06 | Orionshock | and it's a question of how useful is it to me vs others |
| 08:43.29 | Xinhuan | doing your own string.match() looping over tooltip:GetNumLines() will at most take .. what, 7 lines of code? |
| 08:43.44 | Orionshock | like i said Xinhuan im lazy |
| 08:43.55 | Xinhuan | /facepalm |
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| 08:44.21 | Orionshock | tbh, i would never use it |
| 08:44.37 | Xinhuan | yet you have, because you think library code is better |
| 08:44.50 | Orionshock | the point of the addon is not to replace searching wowhead or thottbot for gear or anything. |
| 08:45.30 | Orionshock | It is, once you have found what you wanted, see who can make it. |
| 08:45.45 | syeren | Xinhuan, do you have 83k Gold? |
| 08:45.50 | Xinhuan | my point was, you could have written something in under 10 lines of code, that does what you need. instead you included a library that doesn't do what you need. |
| 08:45.52 | Xinhuan | 85k |
| 08:46.27 | syeren | I hate you :( |
| 08:46.32 | syeren | All from Routes I imagine :p? |
| 08:46.41 | Xinhuan | i don't have a character with gathering professions |
| 08:46.42 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 08:46.47 | clad|office | Why does LibHealComm-3.0 use names instead of units? |
| 08:46.48 | Orionshock | well, what it actual does for me is not scan the tool tip -.- it just gives me the title of the item so i can DB it |
| 08:46.48 | clad|office | and more importantly, will it use something better in 2.4? |
| 08:47.02 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: (value:gsub("%w", function(a) if a:lower() ~= a:upper() then return "["..a:lower()..a:upper().."]" end end)) |
| 08:47.13 | Xinhuan | Orionshock: tooltip:GetText() <-- this gets the first line of a tooltip |
| 08:47.41 | Xinhuan | why the fuck do you need a library to do the job of 1 line of code: to get the first line of a tooltip |
| 08:48.08 | Orionshock | i was lazy at the time, and needed a fix for a problem that i knew i could deal with later. |
| 08:48.15 | Elsia | unitids aren't consistent between different clients are they? or is party1 the same for all clients? |
| 08:48.21 | syeren | Does RoutesFu work with Routes Xinhuan? |
| 08:48.25 | syeren | Or is it built in now ;p? |
| 08:48.28 | clad|office | Elsia: they are different |
| 08:48.36 | Xinhuan | RoutesFu works with both carto_routes and routes |
| 08:48.43 | syeren | Awesome :) |
| 08:48.50 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: LibGratuity:Find((value:gsub("%a", function(a) if a:lower() ~= a:upper() then return "["..a:lower()..a:upper().."]" end end))) |
| 08:48.52 | clad|office | Elsia: in particular for raids, since the last raidid is always the player |
| 08:48.55 | Xinhuan | if both carto_routes and routes are loaded, it will apply itself to routes |
| 08:49.30 | Elsia | clad: so how can libhealcomm use units? they could/should use GUIDs though for clean pet handling |
| 08:49.35 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: interesting.. |
| 08:49.40 | NimbleRabit | Xinhuan, thank you so much for routes omg |
| 08:49.44 | clad|office | Elsia: they should use GUID for any handling in 2.4 |
| 08:49.45 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: try it |
| 08:49.47 | clad|office | that's what I was asking for |
| 08:50.06 | Elsia | well I agree |
| 08:50.06 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 08:50.20 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: its an ugly hack but it should work |
| 08:50.24 | Elsia | also I really would like to see a repository for mobid->name, specifically bosses |
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| 08:50.28 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot: |
| 08:50.28 | CIA-9 | - changes from last revision reverted. This was intended due to space issues. |
| 08:50.42 | Ellipsis | clad|office: go add it to the libhealcomm thread imo |
| 08:50.43 | Elsia | so one can void needing unitids based checks for boss status. |
| 08:50.46 | Xinhuan | local mytooltip = CreateFrame("GameTooltip") <-- this creates a tooltip |
| 08:50.58 | Elsia | s/void/avoid/ |
| 08:51.10 | Xinhuan | mytooltip:SetOwner(WorldFrame) <-- you need to set an owner everytime you use a tooltip for parsing |
| 08:51.27 | Xinhuan | mytooltip:SetHyperline("enchant:12345") <-- set the link |
| 08:51.30 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: im down for ugly hacks :D |
| 08:51.37 | Xinhuan | local s = mytooltip:GetText() <-- get the first line |
| 08:51.43 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: :P i know that much.. i know how to read wiki |
| 08:51.44 | clad|office | Ellipsis: aye, thanks. |
| 08:51.46 | Elsia | or in another word, if babble-boss was guid/mobid-based... |
| 08:52.11 | Xinhuan | then string.find(s, myfind, 1, true) <-- perform text based non-regex search |
| 08:54.00 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: nope, not consistantly enough, but sorta works... |
| 08:54.09 | Arrowmaster | srsly? |
| 08:54.11 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 08:54.23 | Orionshock | that's what i said |
| 08:54.52 | Orionshock | wait, forgotsomething |
| 08:55.14 | Arrowmaster | youll need to wrap the gsub in an extra set of ()'s |
| 08:55.21 | Orionshock | oops, lets set the tooltip before searching it -.- |
| 08:55.32 | Arrowmaster | so you dont send the 2nd return to the find func |
| 08:57.58 | NimbleRabit | So I'm kind of curious |
| 08:58.07 | NimbleRabit | would I be able to set up my Parrot |
| 08:58.20 | NimbleRabit | so that it would show things about enemies as alerts like it shows Execute and stuff? |
| 08:58.28 | NimbleRabit | for example, when an enemy druid uses nature's swiftness |
| 08:58.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think |
| 08:58.54 | Ellipsis | you want one of those addons that pops up alerts when enemies cast spells |
| 08:59.07 | Ellipsis | not sure which ones do it since I don't use anything like that, but someone here should know |
| 08:59.46 | NimbleRabit | Witchhunt or something? yeah |
| 08:59.47 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: that worked nicely |
| 08:59.49 | NimbleRabit | but I kind of want parrot to do it |
| 08:59.49 | Orionshock | thanks |
| 08:59.52 | NimbleRabit | for a fwe things |
| 09:00.14 | NimbleRabit | actually I'm mostly curious if it can |
| 09:00.33 | Hjalte | NimbleRabit: You can make Witchhunt output to Parrot, |
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| 09:02.09 | NimbleRabit | WitchHunt shows a ton of crap though |
| 09:02.18 | NimbleRabit | and as far as I know it's not configurable to just show a few is it? |
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| 09:02.26 | [Ammo] | it isn;t |
| 09:02.43 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: if somebody trys to use a complex pattern it might cause issues though |
| 09:03.05 | Orionshock | aye |
| 09:04.31 | Elsia | anyone know how far along a 2.4 grid is? |
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| 09:04.56 | nevcairiel | as far as i know, raid frame mods dont need significant changes for 2.4 |
| 09:04.59 | CIA-9 | 03orionshock * r63024 10GuildCraft/GuildCraft_Browser/BrowserUI.lua: |
| 09:04.59 | CIA-9 | GuildCraft: |
| 09:04.59 | CIA-9 | -fix tooltip searching. it's a dirty hack that Xinhuan wants me to code in myself, but won't happen. |
| 09:04.59 | CIA-9 | -search func pukes on regexes, so don't use em. |
| 09:04.59 | CIA-9 | -thanks arrowmaster for fix |
| 09:05.14 | nevcairiel | at least, sRF still works fine |
| 09:05.42 | Elsia | you'd want GUID support for pets, but that's about it for raid frames |
| 09:05.54 | Elsia | else equal named hunter pets still cause issues |
| 09:06.06 | nevcairiel | does grid support raid pets at all? |
| 09:06.30 | Elsia | a variant of it does |
| 09:06.37 | nevcairiel | its not easy to create raidpet frames on the fly using the raid headers |
| 09:06.39 | Orionshock | Elsia: ? why.. raid pets have a unitID.. one would think it uses that and not names |
| 09:06.41 | Xinhuan | there's an "addon" to grid i think |
| 09:06.42 | Xinhuan | that adds that |
| 09:07.33 | Elsia | orion: roster-2.1 stores by name not by unitid, hence having pet issues |
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| 09:07.42 | Xinhuan | and lol Orionshock, you're just stubborn to write your own code |
| 09:07.55 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: this is true |
| 09:08.21 | nevcairiel | i hope people stop usint roster lib :/ |
| 09:08.22 | CIA-9 | 03wang * r63025 10NDragIt/NDragIt.lua: |
| 09:08.22 | CIA-9 | NDragIt |
| 09:08.22 | CIA-9 | - zhCN update |
| 09:08.33 | nevcairiel | *using |
| 09:08.55 | Elsia | well I want a clean substitute really, something unitid/GUID based |
| 09:09.19 | Xinhuan | does libroster provide something that unitguids don't? |
| 09:09.38 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: how does acedb-3 callbacks work? self.db.RegisterCallback()? |
| 09:09.44 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: yea |
| 09:09.58 | Elsia | well the question is if x addons should all cache their rosters separately or if it's worth having one cache |
| 09:09.58 | [Ammo] | what roster lib does is create an easy way to get a unitid from a name |
| 09:09.59 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: want to test something ive drycoded? |
| 09:10.05 | nevcairiel | self.db.RegisterCallback(self, "OnProfileChanged", "UpdateModuleConfigs") |
| 09:10.07 | nevcairiel | thats what i do |
| 09:10.27 | nevcairiel | its not 100% intuitive syntax |
| 09:10.32 | [Ammo] | it basically handles the RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE and PARTYMEMBER_CHANGED and caches the results for you |
| 09:10.47 | [Ammo] | so you don't have to loop the roster etc |
| 09:10.51 | Xinhuan | well |
| 09:10.57 | nevcairiel | but rosterlib does too much on top of that |
| 09:11.02 | Xinhuan | but the overhead of the function call to libroster sorta cancels out the speed benefit |
| 09:11.11 | Xinhuan | you can internally store your own cache |
| 09:11.12 | [Ammo] | did you benchmark that? |
| 09:11.16 | Orionshock | well make a better one w/o the bloat :P |
| 09:11.22 | Xinhuan | that retrieves the thing probably faster from your own table |
| 09:11.28 | Arrowmaster | unitid from name? "raid"..tostring(UnitInRaid("Name")-1)? |
| 09:11.41 | [Ammo] | and what if 5 addons loop the table every RRU |
| 09:11.44 | Elsia | fails for pets |
| 09:11.49 | [Ammo] | loop the roster I mean |
| 09:11.50 | nevcairiel | pets fail anyway |
| 09:11.51 | Orionshock | so we're doing away with libs for commonly accepted methods... hum... i see a reversal of the point of having libs.... |
| 09:11.59 | Xinhuan | so ammo, the question is whether you have 5 addons or not that is going to use libroster |
| 09:12.01 | Xinhuan | do you? |
| 09:12.06 | Elsia | no they don't if one does it cleanly |
| 09:12.06 | [Ammo] | I do |
| 09:12.14 | Xinhuan | my entire suite of 100-200 addons i think only 2 or 3 addons even use libroster |
| 09:12.23 | Xinhuan | and i don't think the benefit is there |
| 09:12.24 | [Ammo] | you think, or you know :p |
| 09:12.30 | Elsia | loads use roster |
| 09:12.37 | nevcairiel | the idea behind roster to create a "unit object" where other addons even can store information in is kinda bloated |
| 09:12.44 | Fisker- | omg wang |
| 09:12.50 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel: I agree there even if I use it in oRA2 :p |
| 09:13.03 | Fisker- | [Ammo] i require additional sleep |
| 09:13.15 | Fisker- | You must construct additional beds |
| 09:13.23 | Xinhuan | the point is damage meters use it, raid frames use it, but you're not likely to run more than 1 raidframe and 1 damage meter at the same time |
| 09:13.46 | nevcairiel | oRA uses it too |
| 09:13.48 | Xinhuan | so even if 10 damage meetrs use it, and 10 raidframes use it, in all likelihood only 2-3 addons are going to use it at any one time |
| 09:13.53 | Elsia | I can dig copy and pasting roster handling, but there isn't even anything to copy&paste currently |
| 09:13.56 | [Ammo] | that's why I said 5 or so |
| 09:14.01 | [Ammo] | which is typical in my addon set |
| 09:14.08 | [Ammo] | I hink |
| 09:14.12 | Xinhuan | which 5 are these? |
| 09:14.18 | Elsia | I run recount, ora, pitbull and grid, all using roster as far as I know |
| 09:14.32 | Elsia | not sure if anything else does |
| 09:14.33 | Ellipsis | pitbull doesn't |
| 09:14.40 | Kalroth | raid frame, damage meter, threat meter, raid status/checks? |
| 09:14.47 | Ellipsis | threat doesn't either |
| 09:15.17 | Kalroth | XRS should use roster anyways, I don't think it does. |
| 09:15.23 | nevcairiel | threat-1.0 uses roster Ellipsis |
| 09:15.30 | Elsia | for me the point is more: there is need for that code, and all use roster. shall we all now code our individual substitutes that basically will do the same thing? how do we get sane code sharing coding without library overhead? |
| 09:15.33 | Ellipsis | then how does it run for me without it? |
| 09:16.02 | Xinhuan | i really don't agree with the idea of libifying something just because you can, a lot of fanbois out there are like "wow ace mods shares libs" and in the real fact that there is little to no sharing if only 1-2 installed addons use a lib |
| 09:16.04 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: then why does the PitBull externals include Roster in the Threat-1.0 section ? =P |
| 09:16.14 | Elsia | xiN: gief alternative |
| 09:16.22 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: don't ask me |
| 09:16.26 | Ellipsis | I didn't write that :P |
| 09:16.34 | Xinhuan | my alternative is always the simple "code a 20 line version yourself that works" |
| 09:16.42 | Elsia | the problem isn't fanboiism, the problem is code sharing |
| 09:16.50 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: If only 1 addon uses a library, then there's no point to it. But if there's 2 addons, then there is a point. |
| 09:17.01 | nevcairiel | depends really |
| 09:17.02 | Elsia | why have 10 people write the same 20 lines of code when writing it once and copy&pasting is enough? |
| 09:17.06 | nevcairiel | on 2 addons that can be debated |
| 09:17.07 | Xinhuan | Kalroth, possibly depending on the scope of that lib |
| 09:17.11 | Orionshock | i can see it now... on the svn under \trunk\Commonly Accepted Practices and Methods\ a asston of files that people steal code from :P |
| 09:17.23 | Xinhuan | if the proposed lib is going to have feature A, B, C, D, and E |
| 09:17.26 | Xinhuan | and i only need E |
| 09:17.32 | Xinhuan | then my 20 line code works better |
| 09:17.39 | Ellipsis | the problem is you can say "lib X is good because 10 different addons use it" but if all 10 serve very similar purposes they're unlikely to be run at the same time |
| 09:17.41 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: so does the callback usage from 1557-1560 in http://ace.pastey.net/83009 look correct? |
| 09:17.44 | Xinhuan | sure its code duplication of E, but i don't need A, B, C, D |
| 09:17.50 | Elsia | rosterlib-2.1 isn't that bloated tbh... it basically does what raidframes/damage meter do need |
| 09:17.56 | [Ammo] | it is bloated |
| 09:17.57 | Xinhuan | and i can modify E to what i need |
| 09:17.59 | [Ammo] | and not that good |
| 09:18.15 | Elsia | recount uses most of what rosterlib offers in fact I can't really think of what it doesn't use |
| 09:18.19 | Xinhuan | the problem is recognizing when code sharing is "overdoing it" |
| 09:18.31 | Elsia | no the problem is how to offer code sharing |
| 09:18.35 | [Ammo] | but someone needs to benchmark 3 individual solutions versus 1 centralized one |
| 09:18.42 | [Ammo] | which is what the debate here is about |
| 09:18.50 | Elsia | why not create a forum with: these are useful code sniplets that don't make good libraries, for reuse? |
| 09:19.04 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: That's the usual OO discussion though. Using shared code means you have to "respect" the needs of other addons, just have 'E' available for yourself. Not to mention that you can't just modify 'E' when needed. |
| 09:19.10 | Elsia | yeah and there should be factual discussion about performance... |
| 09:19.12 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: While copying the code gives you total freedom. |
| 09:19.19 | Xinhuan | consider that for click-casting addons, Cladhaire proposed a universal agreed on standard |
| 09:19.38 | Xinhuan | just like how GetMinimapShape() is a "agreed on" standard function that a minimap addon should supply |
| 09:20.10 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: not exactly, you should use "OnEmbedProfileEnable", method syntax. will pass the table automagically .. so -> self.db.RegisterCallback(FuBarPlugin, "OnProfileChanged", "OnEmbedProfileEnable", self) .. it'll always pass the argument you pass in as "self" (FuBarPlugin in your case) to that |
| 09:20.58 | [Ammo] | Xinhuan: RRU used to fire a shitton, and having centralized roster was a good idea, I don't know how much RRU fires now |
| 09:21.04 | [Ammo] | Xinhuan: but that is the reason rosterlib was made |
| 09:21.13 | nevcairiel | i think they fixed RRU |
| 09:21.20 | Xinhuan | RRU still fires a shitton ;p |
| 09:21.21 | Elsia | the reason why I like libraries is because I hate wasting my precious time reinventing the wheel. But I don't need to use libraries, I'm happy to reuse non-library code, but we don't have good mechanisms for that... code reuse is a good thing really |
| 09:21.23 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: but wont it pass the event name before? |
| 09:21.45 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: no callbacks dont pass the event name |
| 09:21.45 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: there is some magicks :p |
| 09:22.10 | Kalroth | [Ammo]: You mean dirty hacks! |
| 09:22.29 | nevcairiel | or wait |
| 09:22.40 | [Ammo] | callbacks pass the callback don't they? |
| 09:22.42 | [Ammo] | they do |
| 09:22.44 | [Ammo] | just checked code :p |
| 09:22.50 | [Ammo] | but the self is passed first |
| 09:22.56 | [Ammo] | if one is provided |
| 09:23.29 | nevcairiel | and the arg is passed in first too |
| 09:23.34 | nevcairiel | event name is the last argument |
| 09:23.39 | Orionshock | ..? |
| 09:23.58 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: so in your case, you receive (FuBarPlugin, self, eventname) |
| 09:24.00 | theoddone33 | does anyone know if the mana cost of turn undead/evil changed on the ptr? |
| 09:24.01 | Orionshock | it's always been tbl.method(tbl, event, ...) |
| 09:24.04 | theoddone33 | it's 75 mana for rank 3 fo rme |
| 09:24.08 | Orionshock | in just about everything i've seen |
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| 09:24.43 | nevcairiel | or even (FuBarPlugin, self, eventname, ...) where ... are the args passed by the callback =P |
| 09:24.50 | Arrowmaster | btw dont ask me why OnEmbedProfileEnable is defined twice, it was like that to begin with |
| 09:24.56 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:25.03 | [Ammo] | tsk |
| 09:25.57 | Arrowmaster | ok so http://ace.pastey.net/83010 |
| 09:26.05 | Arrowmaster | i still havent tested this |
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| 09:26.17 | nevcairiel | yeah that looks right |
| 09:26.28 | nevcairiel | your func will be called with (FuBarPlugin, self, eventname, ...) then |
| 09:26.30 | Arrowmaster | oh is that a good way to detect an acedb-3 db? |
| 09:26.45 | nevcairiel | i suppose |
| 09:26.54 | nevcairiel | dont think Rock or Ace2 have a registercallback function |
| 09:26.59 | Xinhuan | whatcha need a db callback for? |
| 09:27.14 | nevcairiel | to be notified when the user changes the profile |
| 09:27.18 | Arrowmaster | to take the place of OnEmbedProfileEnable |
| 09:27.26 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 09:27.38 | Kurax | There have such APIs to notify these |
| 09:27.54 | [Ammo] | power strong is in this one |
| 09:27.56 | nevcairiel | generally any addon has to register those |
| 09:28.09 | nevcairiel | to refresh its full display once the profile changes |
| 09:28.23 | Arrowmaster | more like all of those |
| 09:28.27 | Arrowmaster | from what i can tell |
| 09:28.31 | nevcairiel | yeah those 3 |
| 09:28.39 | nevcairiel | Changed, Copied,Reset |
| 09:28.41 | Elsia | talking about acedb, I'm trying to use SVPC. is this a clean way to have .char. point to my SVPC var? or is there issues with profile handling? http://ace.pastey.net/83011 |
| 09:28.55 | Arrowmaster | although reset gets called right before copied |
| 09:29.20 | [Ammo] | Elsia: acedb3 won't use SVPC |
| 09:29.37 | Elsia | I know, but I want to use acedb and hook it to acedb3 |
| 09:29.46 | Elsia | er use SVPC and ... |
| 09:29.51 | [Ammo] | no can do |
| 09:29.55 | Elsia | sure? |
| 09:30.00 | [Ammo] | nevcairiel: explain :p |
| 09:30.14 | Elsia | it's a real pain for a damage meter to have to store all characters data in the global SV |
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| 09:30.18 | nevcairiel | All you can do is create a seperate AceDB object that holds the SVPC, you cant combine SV and SVPC in one object |
| 09:30.40 | Elsia | hmm alright so db2.char for the SVPC then |
| 09:30.47 | Xinhuan | because the TOC specifies them to be 2 different variables |
| 09:30.48 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 09:30.53 | Xinhuan | so they must be separate |
| 09:31.00 | [Ammo] | Elsia: why would a damagemeter use a saved var to store damage data? |
| 09:31.18 | nevcairiel | [Ammo]: its recount |
| 09:31.23 | Elsia | how else do you get it back after relogging? |
| 09:31.24 | [Ammo] | oh nvm |
| 09:31.25 | Kurax | In case you will LD? |
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| 09:31.36 | [Ammo] | naah, nevc said the magic words :) |
| 09:31.59 | nevcairiel | anyway, the only advantage you get from using SVPC is a very small load time benefit |
| 09:32.03 | Arrowmaster | so anybody want to test out that code i pasteyed for me? huh huh |
| 09:32.24 | Elsia | well here is a sitatuion: I raid on 4 characters, they all have stored raid data, the stored data is 4 |
| 09:32.25 | [Ammo] | SVPC is for simple profiling etc |
| 09:32.34 | Diao | hmm |
| 09:32.35 | Elsia | times the volume if you SV it |
| 09:32.40 | [Ammo] | Elsia: the problem is with recount storing insane amounts of data |
| 09:32.45 | [Ammo] | not to mention the broadcast crap |
| 09:32.57 | Xinhuan | doesn't it have a auto purge old data thing? |
| 09:33.02 | [Ammo] | I've already had an angry mob slap my guildmates silly |
| 09:33.05 | Kurax | All data collection addons do that I think |
| 09:33.07 | [Ammo] | recount banned from raids |
| 09:33.11 | nevcairiel | I wish i could turn saving-data off in SWStats |
| 09:33.12 | Diao | is there any way to store a ton of data without using much memory :p |
| 09:33.14 | Elsia | that doesn't address the topic I am talking about |
| 09:33.18 | nevcairiel | but oh well, is witched to violation anyway |
| 09:33.21 | Elsia | we can talk about broadcast too if you want |
| 09:33.23 | nevcairiel | *i switched |
| 09:33.58 | Elsia | so can we have a factual discussion of the utility of SVPC for any damage meter or is it just bully recount time again? |
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| 09:34.14 | [Ammo] | you can use SVPC jsut fine |
| 09:34.27 | Elsia | ok so what was all that crap about then? |
| 09:34.42 | [Ammo] | but you can't use it with a normal SV in the same acedb3 object |
| 09:34.53 | [Ammo] | I was just questioning why a damagemeter should store its data |
| 09:35.12 | [Ammo] | and if you need SVPC because you store ungodly amounts of data then you should think about fixing that |
| 09:35.35 | Xinhuan | possibly consider data in SVs in packed form |
| 09:35.41 | Elsia | it's what users expect |
| 09:35.42 | [Ammo] | that might work |
| 09:35.42 | Xinhuan | storing* |
| 09:35.53 | [Ammo] | users should not be in charge of dev :p |
| 09:35.54 | Xinhuan | meaning you have a event listening for PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 09:36.00 | Elsia | I can package in SVPC for even more benefit though |
| 09:36.04 | Xinhuan | and in that event, you pack all the data |
| 09:36.20 | nevcairiel | We should stop trying to fix the design ideas of other people's addons ..let them die with their 50mb SV file =P |
| 09:36.33 | Kurax | lol can SV be 50m? |
| 09:36.35 | Xinhuan | and on PLAYER_LOGIN, unpack ;p |
| 09:36.37 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 09:36.41 | Xinhuan | yes they can kurax |
| 09:36.44 | Arrowmaster | wouldnt that be bad? |
| 09:36.52 | Xinhuan | depends on application |
| 09:36.54 | Kurax | I thought Bliz have a limit on them |
| 09:36.57 | Arrowmaster | since acedb also uses PLAYER_LOGOUT? |
| 09:36.58 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: that would be some insane login-lag |
| 09:36.59 | Xinhuan | for something like auctioneer, it relies on a lot of data |
| 09:37.15 | Xinhuan | and say lootlink thatstores the desc of every item |
| 09:37.28 | Xinhuan | handy for searching for text of an item |
| 09:38.29 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: that would what the shutdown callback is for ;) |
| 09:38.33 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 09:38.42 | [Ammo] | plus a b in there somewheree |
| 09:38.44 | [Ammo] | be |
| 09:39.06 | Arrowmaster | acedb-2 and rockdb dont have a shutdown callback do they? |
| 09:39.18 | [Ammo] | don't think so |
| 09:39.26 | Arrowmaster | does dongle? |
| 09:39.34 | Xinhuan | while i've never attempted to benchmark savedvar loading |
| 09:39.40 | Xinhuan | i think a 20 mb savedvar file takes about 10 secs to load on my pc |
| 09:40.45 | Kurax | My loading bar will last for one minute maybe more |
| 09:41.12 | nevcairiel | thats not SVs |
| 09:41.16 | nevcairiel | thats the addons |
| 09:41.22 | Kurax | Yeah I guess |
| 09:42.05 | Kurax | Through I never tried to figue out what's happening during this time |
| 09:42.13 | Xinhuan | i do have a 21 mb lootlink and it accounts for most of the load time ;p |
| 09:42.42 | Elsia | well nev said to that: let them die with their 50mb SV file =P |
| 09:42.44 | Xinhuan | you can "sorta measure it" by doing debugprofilestart() at the top of your main chunk, and the end, printing it |
| 09:42.45 | Xinhuan | then |
| 09:42.48 | Kurax | But basically I guess the client is busy on ADDON_LOAD events |
| 09:43.02 | Xinhuan | do another debugprofilestart() which you end on the ADDON_LOADED for that addon |
| 09:43.08 | Xinhuan | which indicates the SV loaded |
| 09:44.58 | Elsia | btw, recounts SVPC Recount.lua file after a night of raiding: 331kb |
| 09:45.13 | [Ammo] | Xinhuan: download warmup it does that for you |
| 09:45.28 | Kalroth | That's nothing, Elsia. I've had 30mb+ lua files! |
| 09:45.29 | Xinhuan | incorrect ammo |
| 09:45.37 | Kurax | I heard about warmup, is it accurate? |
| 09:45.38 | Xinhuan | warmup can only measure the times between ADDON_LOADED firing |
| 09:45.40 | [Ammo] | well it also takes the rest of the addon into account |
| 09:46.16 | Xinhuan | i'm talking about dividing that further into "main chunk loading and execution", "saved variable loading and execution" and then the "addon_loaded event execution" |
| 09:46.16 | Elsia | kal: from recount or in general? |
| 09:46.24 | [Ammo] | Xinhuan: figured |
| 09:46.25 | Kalroth | Or you could use the external debugger that hooks various Lua procedures in wow.exe! |
| 09:46.52 | Kalroth | Elsia: Recount. But it's a long time ago. I've learned to clear my history now :p |
| 09:46.52 | Xinhuan | i guess that works too heh |
| 09:47.12 | Elsia | kal: well yeah, I have added multiple delete features for a reason ;) |
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| 09:47.39 | Kalroth | Elsia: I noticed :) |
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| 09:47.53 | Kurax | Recount has an incompleted localization interface |
| 09:47.59 | Elsia | but people around here still seem to treat recount with poor cliches which is unfortunate. |
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| 09:48.33 | Elsia | kurax: correct, I'm looking for localizers to give input on what they want localzied |
| 09:48.37 | Hjalte | Elsia: That seems to go with almost any addon that has competition |
| 09:48.53 | Kurax | Options UI |
| 09:48.58 | Kalroth | Everyone got their own agenda. :) |
| 09:48.58 | Elsia | hjalte: maybe, but I was hoping better from some of our most esteemed devs |
| 09:49.18 | [Ammo] | Elsia: recount has bad rep for being a memory hog and an addon spam addon |
| 09:49.26 | Kurax | And also the charts I think |
| 09:49.37 | Elsia | kurax: you got localization for those? if yes I'll work on preping the localization for the gui |
| 09:49.42 | Elsia | ammo: turned sync off? |
| 09:49.51 | Kurax | Sure |
| 09:49.52 | Xinhuan | however, Recount also has the good rep of being the most comprehensive and being the most detailed, often with WWS accuracy |
| 09:49.54 | elusif | i'm doing my weekly backup of the WTF folder in C:\Users\Dáire\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\World of Warcraft but i now have a WTF dir and a 'WTF - Copy' dir. can anyone tell me what i should do? |
| 09:49.59 | Elsia | and for 2.4 sync will either disappear or be extremely slim |
| 09:50.17 | Elsia | current sync code deserves the work: extreme abomination, I just don't touch it because 2.4 is coming |
| 09:50.29 | Elsia | s/work/word/ |
| 09:50.38 | Xinhuan | in all likelihood, you should probably still sync, but only do it once every 15 seconds or so maybe |
| 09:50.52 | Xinhuan | instead of every 2-3 seconds |
| 09:51.01 | [Ammo] | violation broadcasts every 5 seconds, and broadcasts only diffs |
| 09:51.12 | Elsia | the sync code is very bad. I tried to fix it but most of my time goes into 2.4 recount |
| 09:51.23 | Xinhuan | perhaps rewrite it? |
| 09:51.25 | Kurax | Elsia: It would be great if you can replace all "builtin" words with Ace locale module, and it will get localized asap |
| 09:51.26 | Elsia | it syncs way too much data, the frequency isn't actually the issue in my mind |
| 09:51.34 | Xinhuan | since 2.4 is the perfect oppotunity to force every user of recount to update |
| 09:51.41 | Elsia | it could sync 1/24th of what it does now with minimal changes or accuracy loss |
| 09:51.51 | [Ammo] | I need to do some serious work on violation though because I retched looking at the pet code adirelle added meh |
| 09:52.01 | Hjalte | Elsia: Hmm, will it ever be possible to have recount syncers sync the damage of everyone around them or will it always just be sending ones own damage? |
| 09:52.14 | Elsia | kurax: I'll work on that some today |
| 09:52.48 | Elsia | 2.4 combat log will make most syncing obsolete... whatever is UnitIsVisible will be in the combat log |
| 09:53.13 | Elsia | and I still want parses for the sunwell split fight to see if units within raid are possibly treated as IsVisible even in split situations |
| 09:53.15 | Kurax | Elsia: In fact there has a "hard translated" version maintaining |
| 09:53.31 | Kurax | in zhCN community |
| 09:53.38 | Elsia | kurax: ah didn't know that |
| 09:54.27 | Elsia | current only sync needs left: shaman totems, and Lifebloom/Earth Shield heuristics |
| 09:54.51 | Elsia | I asked for guardian unitid's which solves the first, the latter Slouken promised improvements for a latter patch |
| 09:55.03 | elusif | i'm doing my weekly backup of the WTF folder in C:\Users\Dáire\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\World of Warcraft but i now have a WTF dir and a 'WTF - Copy' dir. can anyone tell me what i should do? |
| 09:55.33 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r63026 10/trunk/ (GridStatusHealPriority/ GridStatusHealer/): |
| 09:55.33 | CIA-9 | GridStatusHealer: |
| 09:55.33 | CIA-9 | - Renaming addon to GridStatusHealPriority |
| 09:55.35 | Elsia | hjalte: in fact it currently sends data of everyone tracked, which is the reason it's such an abomination, it only should send self really |
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| 09:56.18 | Elsia | and make correction when OOC. |
| 09:56.22 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r63027 10GridStatusHealPriority/ (GridStatusHealPriority.lua GridStatusHealer.lua): |
| 09:56.22 | CIA-9 | GridStatusHealPriority: |
| 09:56.22 | CIA-9 | - Rename file |
| 09:56.33 | CIA-9 | 03wang * r63028 10Xparky/ (Locale/zh_CN.lua Xparky.toc): |
| 09:56.33 | CIA-9 | Xparky |
| 09:56.33 | CIA-9 | - zhCN added |
| 09:56.58 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r63029 10GridStatusHealPriority/ (GridStatusHealPriority.toc GridStatusHealer.toc): |
| 09:56.58 | CIA-9 | GridStatusHealPriority: |
| 09:56.58 | CIA-9 | - Rename file |
| 10:00.14 | Elkano | OK, as we just hit 11:00CET European users may now start to whine about their servers still being down. |
| 10:00.19 | Grum | OMG NO EU SERVERS UP!! hax |
| 10:00.27 | Ellipsis | ...lol |
| 10:00.39 | Ellipsis | not wasting any time there I see |
| 10:00.44 | [Ammo] | giev server |
| 10:00.59 | Elkano | Grum, wrote that fast or just coincedent? |
| 10:01.02 | Elsia | gief ptr :( |
| 10:01.02 | syeren | Servers are normally up early in the EU :( |
| 10:01.07 | Grum | i wrote it in another channel first ;D |
| 10:01.17 | Gngsk | eu test up at all? |
| 10:01.18 | syeren | I wonder if the EU will get a working PTR sometime in 2.4 \o/ |
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| 10:01.23 | nevcairiel | EU PTR is still broken too .. gtl |
| 10:01.26 | nevcairiel | *ftl |
| 10:01.28 | Gngsk | guess not, then eh |
| 10:01.30 | CIA-9 | 03chuanhsing * r63030 10Xparky/ (Locale/zh_TW.lua Xparky.toc): Xparky: update zhTW (thanks zhCN translator) |
| 10:02.18 | Elkano | ok, website just went from not responding to xml error... we are nearing the end ;) |
| 10:02.27 | Gngsk | [Ammo], I got the basic wh stuff working in 2.4 if you're interested. it's kinda hackish and I'm sure you could add better but figured I'd offer. |
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| 10:02.48 | [Ammo] | Gngsk: show diff |
| 10:02.53 | [Ammo] | I have some stuff coded up myself |
| 10:02.56 | [Ammo] | but it's a complete rewrite |
| 10:03.02 | Grum | omg servers coming up! |
| 10:03.05 | [Ammo] | if I can get it working with the current version in a quick hack that's fine :) |
| 10:03.39 | Gngsk | that's the thing, I didn't change any code to WH, I just made another addon that registered the unfiltered combat log event and used what I needed to get pre-2.4 functionality working |
| 10:04.03 | [Ammo] | Gngsk: show code |
| 10:04.06 | Elkano | cool... realm status doesn't list any servers at all... neither up nor down |
| 10:04.07 | Gngsk | sec |
| 10:04.08 | Xinhuan | ... |
| 10:04.10 | [Ammo] | I have some basic stuff working as well |
| 10:04.11 | Xinhuan | blackrock is dying again |
| 10:04.25 | [Ammo] | but it's very basic :) |
| 10:04.27 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: you can come hang out with me in the meantime |
| 10:04.28 | syeren | Imagine that. |
| 10:04.31 | Xinhuan | this time, the entire Black temple is actually causing every guild in it, to client-freeze for 2-3 seconds at a time |
| 10:04.37 | [Ammo] | need to do the bitmasking etc for units |
| 10:04.41 | Xinhuan | like, the client just "freezes" |
| 10:04.51 | Xinhuan | and you see that 1 frame for 3 seconds |
| 10:04.59 | Xinhuan | and everyone unfreezes at the same time |
| 10:05.03 | Kurax | yeah that's bad, I hate that |
| 10:05.11 | Xinhuan | yeah, but coordinated across the entire instance? |
| 10:05.13 | Ellipsis | that's impressive |
| 10:05.15 | Xinhuan | to every player? |
| 10:05.27 | Grum | Elkano: ~20 servers up again (english at least) |
| 10:06.09 | Grum | 40-50 now :) |
| 10:06.13 | Grum | go bliz! :'( |
| 10:06.15 | Elsia | acelocale-3.0 only depends on libstub? |
| 10:06.20 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r63031 10GridStatusHealPriority/ (4 files): |
| 10:06.20 | CIA-9 | GridStatusHealPriority: |
| 10:06.20 | CIA-9 | - Commit to rename addon from GridStatusHealer to GridStatusHealPriority |
| 10:06.22 | Gngsk | [Ammo], http://gngsk.pastey.net/83012 |
| 10:06.24 | [Ammo] | Elsia: correct |
| 10:06.26 | Elsia | tnx |
| 10:06.49 | [Ammo] | Gngsk: haha that looks awfully similar to what I had |
| 10:06.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:07.09 | Gngsk | k, cool, then I guess I'll keep it around for raiding on ptr until you get the new ver up on branches or w/e |
| 10:07.28 | CIA-9 | 03chuanhsing * r63032 10Chinchilla/locale/zhTW.lua: Chinchilla: update zhTW (thanks zhCN translator Kurax) |
| 10:07.28 | [Ammo] | I can do that now |
| 10:07.35 | [Ammo] | in fact this is more complete than I had |
| 10:07.39 | [Ammo] | since you added the bistmaskeing :) |
| 10:07.51 | Elsia | In a sense acelocale-3.0 is a mismomer, probably should be just called LibLocale-3.0 but doesn't matter |
| 10:07.56 | Ellipsis | gasp, Kurax is a translator! |
| 10:07.58 | Ellipsis | BURN HIM! |
| 10:08.01 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r63033 10GridLayoutPlus/GridLayoutPlus.lua: |
| 10:08.01 | CIA-9 | GridLayoutPlus: |
| 10:08.01 | CIA-9 | - Small fix for Blizz Main Tank column counting. |
| 10:08.09 | Zhinjio | G"morning, Ellipsis |
| 10:08.15 | Ellipsis | me licks Zhinjio |
| 10:08.19 | Xinhuan | well technicaly almost all ace3 libs are standalone |
| 10:08.21 | nevcairiel | Elsia: nearly all Ace3 libraries are simple like that |
| 10:08.25 | Zhinjio | Hey Xinhuan. |
| 10:08.29 | Elsia | i see |
| 10:08.37 | Ellipsis | me also fails at /me |
| 10:08.40 | Ellipsis | >_< |
| 10:08.43 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 10:08.48 | Elsia | I actually like the feel of acelocale-3.0, have an ace3 ported version of recount almost ready leave roster changes |
| 10:08.48 | Ellipsis | hush, I'm tired |
| 10:08.53 | Zhinjio | nothing like a good, morning, lick. |
| 10:09.01 | Zhinjio | Ahem. |
| 10:09.11 | Elsia | gotta run |
| 10:09.20 | Ellipsis | I definitely agree Zhinjio |
| 10:09.24 | Kurax | Ellipsis: lol why so hate a translator |
| 10:09.33 | Ellipsis | I love waking up in the morning and licking a nice big...ice cream cone. or something. |
| 10:09.41 | [Ammo] | Kurax: they mess up addons often |
| 10:09.43 | Ellipsis | Kurax: just a joke, since translators cause headaches sometimes :P |
| 10:09.50 | Zhinjio | is that what they're calling it these days? |
| 10:10.10 | Kurax | I wont, I'm a *skilled* translator |
| 10:10.11 | Xinhuan | acelocale-3.0's simplicity is that it doesn't use tables at all |
| 10:10.19 | Xinhuan | every line is a statement in itself |
| 10:10.23 | Xinhuan | less chance for them to mess up! |
| 10:10.38 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: They'll still manage, trust me! |
| 10:10.40 | Ellipsis | Kurax: as long as you don't commit changes without running svn update first, we might like you :) |
| 10:10.48 | Elkano | well, it uses tables but you fill the one you got not set one yourself |
| 10:10.58 | Kurax | In fact I joined AtlasLoot team recently, and been working on the new WishList feature |
| 10:11.20 | Elkano | I still want a luac commit hook on svn :/ |
| 10:11.38 | Arrowmaster | here goes nothing, time to see if my ui blows up from testing this little 'project' |
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| 10:11.59 | Elkano | Kurax, in that case a small request for AtlasLoot: remove S1 and S2 PvP gear from the compilation list ^^ |
| 10:12.24 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63034 10WitchHunt/: WitchHunt: branching for 2.4 |
| 10:12.34 | Kurax | lol why? |
| 10:12.41 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63035 10NRT/NRT.lua: NRT: Add Drek'Thar and Vanndar as ignored bosses. |
| 10:12.51 | Elkano | well, or add S3 (and S4 later), too |
| 10:13.04 | Elkano | but with only S1 and S2 listed there it seems kind of wrong |
| 10:13.19 | Kurax | Both S3 and S4 are added |
| 10:13.28 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 10:13.32 | Elkano | also the arena stuff is listed in the PvP panel anyways |
| 10:13.43 | Ellipsis | I'm way too tired to be IRCing, I keep thinking Elkano is me...and wonder why I'm talking about pvp stuff |
| 10:13.45 | Kurax | Just no one knows S4 item ids currently |
| 10:13.55 | Kalroth | haha Ellipsis |
| 10:13.59 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: im defiling your RoutesFu for testing purposes |
| 10:14.04 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 10:14.11 | Xinhuan | what are you doing? |
| 10:14.15 | Elkano | Ellipsis, that's why I set myself to a different color in IRC ^^ makes stuff easier |
| 10:14.31 | Xinhuan | RoutesFu is written on Rock, you're using it to do ace3 testing? |
| 10:14.31 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: did you see what i pastey'd earlyer? |
| 10:14.32 | Ellipsis | my client doesn't have any of these fancy shmancy "features" y'all are always talking about :P |
| 10:14.38 | Xinhuan | i didn't look cos i'm currently raiding |
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| 10:14.49 | Xinhuan | but i can read irc |
| 10:14.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah kinda |
| 10:14.54 | Xinhuan | since i'm dual screen |
| 10:15.05 | Arrowmaster | i did a quick hack convert to ace3 |
| 10:15.13 | Arrowmaster | or atleast i hope i did |
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| 10:17.10 | Arrowmaster | ok first bug found and fixed |
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| 10:17.11 | Xinhuan | so what has routesfu got to do with your pastey ;p |
| 10:17.39 | Arrowmaster | i needed something that used LFBP-3 |
| 10:17.41 | theoddone33 | I wish I could believe that the suggestions forum is at all useful :( |
| 10:18.20 | Xinhuan | its useful only if an addon suggestion tickles the mind of a developer ;p |
| 10:18.38 | CIA-9 | 03linsu * r63036 10Enhancer/locale/Localization-zhTW.lua: |
| 10:18.38 | CIA-9 | Enhancer: |
| 10:18.38 | CIA-9 | - upload Localization-zhTW.lua |
| 10:18.56 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63037 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua WitchHunt.toc embeds.xml libs/): WitchHunt: fix working with 2.4 thanks gngsk |
| 10:19.01 | Elkano | Kurax, maybe you misunderstood me. I'm accessing AL via Atlas. Then I have a set of 8 buttons under the Altas frame. Two of them are "Collections" and "PvP Rewards". Season 1 and 2 show up in both of these sets but Season 3 only shows in "PvP Rewards". Also with the new "Crafting" set the crafting stuff was removed from "Collections" so I think the PvP stuff should be removed there, too. |
| 10:19.14 | theoddone33 | I meant the WoW forum |
| 10:19.43 | theoddone33 | ace suggestions gets a whole lot less spam I bet |
| 10:19.55 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 10:20.09 | Kurax | Elkano: I'll check on these later |
| 10:20.11 | Elkano | btw: with Season 1 being available via honor why is it still considered part of the Arena PvP System? |
| 10:20.13 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r63038 10GridStatusGroupnumber/: |
| 10:20.13 | CIA-9 | GridStatusGroupnumber: |
| 10:20.13 | CIA-9 | - Directory creation |
| 10:20.17 | Xinhuan | well they claim to read everything, but just can't respond to anything due to copyright reasons |
| 10:20.40 | theoddone33 | copyright reasons? |
| 10:20.56 | theoddone33 | huh |
| 10:21.05 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: haha it works! |
| 10:21.15 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 10:21.29 | Arrowmaster | well except the config |
| 10:21.30 | Xinhuan | oh SO that's what you want acedb callback for |
| 10:21.37 | Arrowmaster | hehe |
| 10:21.53 | Arrowmaster | since you used rockconfig i didnt bother converting |
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| 10:22.09 | Xinhuan | RoutesFu doesn't use rockconfig |
| 10:22.09 | Arrowmaster | but i can move it between fubar panels! |
| 10:22.14 | Arrowmaster | does too |
| 10:22.18 | Xinhuan | you can see clearly that the local options = {} |
| 10:22.22 | Xinhuan | and the options table is empty |
| 10:22.25 | Xinhuan | at the top |
| 10:22.29 | Arrowmaster | well i cant config it |
| 10:22.40 | Arrowmaster | you know you can use dewdrop with FBP-3 right |
| 10:22.42 | Xinhuan | only because that table is clearly a rock table |
| 10:23.15 | Xinhuan | so technically the config is really the tablet |
| 10:23.17 | Xinhuan | that is being used |
| 10:23.21 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63039 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: tweaks |
| 10:23.30 | Xinhuan | since the right click config is empty apart from the default plugin menu |
| 10:24.28 | Arrowmaster | trying to switch it over to dewdrop right now |
| 10:24.56 | Arrowmaster | ok failure |
| 10:25.01 | Arrowmaster | rightclick only has close in it |
| 10:25.21 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63040 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: bail out early if we're not dealing with enemies |
| 10:27.41 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel, when is AceDropdown-3.0 coming? :) |
| 10:27.50 | nevcairiel | when you wrote it |
| 10:27.57 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 10:28.17 | Xinhuan | is that an invitation to the ace3 team? |
| 10:28.44 | nevcairiel | nah we're outsourcing |
| 10:28.46 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r63041 10GridStatusGroupnumber/ (4 files): |
| 10:28.46 | CIA-9 | GridStatusGroupnumber: |
| 10:28.46 | CIA-9 | - Initial commit |
| 10:28.48 | Grum | LOL :D |
| 10:28.49 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 10:28.55 | Grum | cheap robot labour! |
| 10:28.59 | [Ammo] | need cheap labour! |
| 10:29.02 | Xinhuan | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 10:29.02 | purl | gives nevcairiel a good seeing to |
| 10:29.14 | Grum | WTS Xinhuan, will code for long time |
| 10:29.28 | Kurax | I was just about to ask that too |
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| 10:29.53 | Xinhuan | so honor update is lasting the last 17 min now |
| 10:29.54 | Kurax | Isn't ckk working on DewDrop-3.0? and when it will out |
| 10:29.58 | Xinhuan | i've opened 6 picnic baskets |
| 10:30.07 | Ellipsis | Kurax: he's not working on a dewdrop at the moment |
| 10:30.17 | Xinhuan | Kurax, the problem is dewdrop will only work on rock and ace2 option tables |
| 10:30.19 | Xinhuan | not ace3 ones |
| 10:30.34 | Xinhuan | as the ace3 one is a bit different in structure |
| 10:30.51 | Kurax | So maybe dewdrop3 is only for Rock? |
| 10:31.03 | Xinhuan | possibly |
| 10:31.04 | Keias | Yeah, I got DC'd Xinhuan. Stuck at Character Select :( |
| 10:31.06 | Keias | Damn blackrock |
| 10:31.13 | clad|office | meh why do we need an AceDropdown3-0? |
| 10:31.15 | Kurax | Anyway, I miss the drop down menu style for choosing options |
| 10:31.35 | nevcairiel | clad|office: because the API of the UIDropdown sucks :D |
| 10:31.41 | clad|office | not reall |
| 10:31.41 | [Ammo] | dropdowns are good for some things |
| 10:31.47 | clad|office | they're so easy to make |
| 10:31.53 | clad|office | have you looked at EasyMenu.lua |
| 10:32.01 | clad|office | or the code in teh dropdown chapter of the book? |
| 10:32.02 | Xinhuan | the blizzard dropdowns are fairly easy to make, but they don't support some things like |
| 10:32.09 | Xinhuan | textboxes, sliders, etc |
| 10:32.14 | nevcairiel | no i didnt see that chapter ;) |
| 10:32.15 | [Ammo] | clad|office: we don't have access to those chapters :p |
| 10:32.17 | clad|office | Xinhuan: aye, but most places I saw those being used, I wanted to stab the person that used them |
| 10:32.25 | clad|office | [Ammo]: nevcairiel: You could have asked :P |
| 10:32.28 | Xinhuan | i use them ;p |
| 10:32.29 | [Ammo] | hahahah |
| 10:32.32 | clad|office | mine's even more powerful than EasyMenu.lua |
| 10:33.09 | Xinhuan | i even have code that used UIDROPDOWNMENUVALUE to pass table references |
| 10:33.23 | Kurax | Blizzard added a new options framework in 2.4, will Ace3 and Rock support on this? |
| 10:33.30 | Xinhuan | so i can simply iterate over a input table as deep as it needs to be |
| 10:33.30 | nevcairiel | Ace3 will |
| 10:33.50 | [Ammo] | in fact Ace3Config already does |
| 10:33.54 | Kurax | Cool |
| 10:34.02 | clad|office | Xinhuan: i have a simple system that just takes a table, and makes a dropdown arbitrarily with it. |
| 10:34.23 | nevcairiel | wtb |
| 10:34.24 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 10:34.24 | Xinhuan | ok i may look at it if i have time :) |
| 10:34.26 | [Ammo] | nargiddley added an API call to add your config screen to the options in 2.4 |
| 10:34.39 | Xinhuan | but otherwise, i currently use my own code to convert tables into the blizzard menus |
| 10:34.46 | Xinhuan | at least, for wowequip |
| 10:35.12 | clad|office | *nod* |
| 10:35.46 | Xinhuan | clad|office, i actually have an issue |
| 10:35.51 | clad|office | so there was an earthquake here last night |
| 10:35.51 | clad|office | O.o |
| 10:35.53 | clad|office | how odd :P |
| 10:36.07 | Xinhuan | tomtom uses ctrl-rightclick to add waypoints right? |
| 10:36.09 | Xinhuan | on the world map |
| 10:36.40 | clad|office | currently, y es |
| 10:36.43 | Xinhuan | by chance, i hooked the same combination for my addon |
| 10:36.51 | Xinhuan | so the last addon to hook will run |
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| 10:37.25 | Xinhuan | so, i'm wondering if there's a better way to "fix this sort fo conflict" short of letting the user specify his own modifier combination |
| 10:37.37 | clad|office | could make a standard for hooking the world map |
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| 10:37.46 | clad|office | but that makes things nasty, since it would create both your note and mine |
| 10:37.46 | Ellipsis | hrm |
| 10:38.08 | Ellipsis | can anyone verify that addons load in alphabetical order on whatever filesystem macs use? |
| 10:38.26 | Xinhuan | my addon is a standalone mapmod-independant mapnotes-type addon |
| 10:38.45 | Xinhuan | so ideally, i want to eventually add tomtom support into it |
| 10:39.21 | clad|office | Ellipsis: it depends on the default sort order |
| 10:39.28 | clad|office | yes, they load alphabetically on mine |
| 10:39.39 | Xinhuan | perhaps it'll be ok if i specify tomtom as a optdep, and if tomtom exists, i will generate a rightclick menu that shows up to either "create note" or "create tomtom waypoint"? |
| 10:39.47 | clad|office | Xinhuan: what would tomtom support do? |
| 10:39.57 | Xinhuan | add a note as a waypoint |
| 10:39.59 | [Ammo] | create waypoint to that note? |
| 10:40.02 | Xinhuan | like carto_waypoints |
| 10:40.13 | Ellipsis | clad|office: hrm, is that something that is likely to be different on different systems? or is it hidden away somewhere nobody would ever mess with it? |
| 10:40.23 | breser | Ellipsis: Load alphabetically here. |
| 10:40.38 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: you can mess with it, but alphabetical is the order that is standard if you don't mess with it |
| 10:40.45 | Ellipsis | hmm, ok then |
| 10:40.46 | Ellipsis | thanks guys :) |
| 10:40.54 | [Ammo] | so no guarantees |
| 10:41.01 | [Ammo] | but it's probably 90%+ alphabetical :) |
| 10:41.03 | Xinhuan | Ellipsis, its based on file system of the disk |
| 10:41.17 | Ellipsis | good enough for me, I'm just trying to get an idea of what a user's load order is likely to be if he uses a mac |
| 10:41.24 | Xinhuan | i used to run FAT32 disks and they load in the natural disk order |
| 10:41.28 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: hence I specified "whatever filesystem macs use" |
| 10:41.31 | breser | Shouldn't be any different than Windows... |
| 10:41.33 | Xinhuan | which is usually by "date of installing the addon" |
| 10:41.35 | clad|office | Xinhuan: no, its based on the default sort order of the OS |
| 10:41.38 | clad|office | which can be changed |
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| 10:41.46 | clad|office | on some/most systems |
| 10:41.47 | Xinhuan | yeah so both file system and OS |
| 10:41.53 | Kurax | http://gngsk.pastey.net/83014 |
| 10:41.59 | Xinhuan | for NTFS this is alphabetical order |
| 10:42.00 | Ellipsis | on windows the sort order can be different depending on filesystem |
| 10:42.06 | Kurax | I wonder if this works |
| 10:42.16 | Ellipsis | so, like Xinhuan said, I get date created order when I load (WoW is on a FAT32 drive) |
| 10:42.16 | Xinhuan | because NTFS stores folders as internal sorted binary trees |
| 10:42.26 | Xinhuan | not necessarily Ellipsis |
| 10:42.32 | Xinhuan | if the user defragged his harddisk |
| 10:42.35 | Kurax | Added some addtional commands to make macros conditinal |
| 10:42.38 | Xinhuan | so that all his folders are arranged in alpha order |
| 10:42.42 | Xinhuan | or frequency of use |
| 10:42.42 | Diao | hmm |
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| 10:42.43 | breser | If it's different at all it won't show really at all becuase it'll likely be in obscure characters. |
| 10:42.46 | Diao | is auto-selfcast saved per account? |
| 10:42.47 | Xinhuan | then it'll be that order |
| 10:42.51 | Diao | or on local client |
| 10:42.53 | Arrowmaster | so does ace3 have a way to change the profiles and such from the config? |
| 10:43.04 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: just an example :P |
| 10:43.22 | Ellipsis | the idea was to find out what the most likely outcome would be |
| 10:43.22 | Gngsk | Kurax, make your own pastebin! Why you gotta use mine? :P |
| 10:43.24 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: not with a standard options table, but I think agreement has been reached to add that one way or the other |
| 10:43.27 | Ellipsis | and that was answered, so I'm happy ^-^ |
| 10:43.33 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: it will still require manual option injection |
| 10:43.48 | Kurax | Gngsk, sorry, too lazy to register lol |
| 10:43.53 | Arrowmaster | [Ammo]: ok well notice the comment at the top http://ace.pastey.net/83013 |
| 10:43.55 | [Ammo] | as in manually put the options somewhre in your addon, but use a generated table |
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| 10:44.12 | clad|office | Xinhuan: I guess what I don't understand.. is that IS what TomTom does |
| 10:44.19 | clad|office | It allows you to make notes on the minimap |
| 10:44.22 | Gngsk | Kurax, as far as I know you don't need to register |
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| 10:44.25 | Diao | anyone? D: |
| 10:44.26 | Kurax | Gngsk: You can delete it later |
| 10:44.32 | clad|office | perhaps I am misunderstanding? |
| 10:44.34 | [Ammo] | clad|office: not persistant, and not in the way that handynotes doe sit |
| 10:44.51 | Xinhuan | i know that, but i'm saying my addon allows plugins with precomputed data |
| 10:44.59 | clad|office | yes it does them persistent |
| 10:45.09 | clad|office | I'm just trying to figure out how they coincide |
| 10:45.14 | clad|office | what "support" for TomTom looks like |
| 10:45.16 | Kurax | I just got this code, it said with this addon, you can mutli-cast with one click |
| 10:45.26 | Xinhuan | it'll just be adding menu items to my menus mainly |
| 10:45.28 | clad|office | I'm not against it, just trying to understand |
| 10:45.36 | Xinhuan | to create a waypoint to said note that isn't a tomtom note |
| 10:46.20 | neenee | Hm. Does anyone know how to change Pitbull layouts from Vertical to Horizontal? |
| 10:46.29 | clad|office | Xinhuan: but every waypoint in TomTom, is a note |
| 10:46.31 | clad|office | i mean |
| 10:46.41 | clad|office | i'm specifically adding support that allows you to not place the waypoint on the world map |
| 10:46.51 | Xinhuan | ah, well i can use that |
| 10:46.51 | clad|office | is that the kind of thing you're referring to? |
| 10:46.53 | Ellipsis | neenee: any bar in "center" position will be horizontal, any bar in "left" or "right" will be vertical |
| 10:46.54 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 10:47.19 | neenee | Okay, let me try to fiddle with that then |
| 10:47.48 | Xinhuan | basically the idea is, i'll be installing my hook on top of your hook |
| 10:48.09 | [Ammo] | clad|office: but I doubt you want tomtom bloated with all flightmasters mailboxes etc etc :) |
| 10:48.17 | [Ammo] | clad|office: which is what HandyNotes provides |
| 10:48.32 | clad|office | [Ammo]: Yes, this is why I'm asknig and trying to understand how they work together |
| 10:48.36 | clad|office | and that still hasn't been made clear |
| 10:48.43 | Xinhuan | have you used Cartographer_Notes before? |
| 10:48.48 | clad|office | is TomTOm expected to provide the crazy arrow and minimap arrows, with world map waypoints if requested |
| 10:48.48 | Xinhuan | its basically a replacement for it |
| 10:48.49 | [Ammo] | clad|office: well xinhuan wants to make a waypoint to a handynote note |
| 10:48.50 | [Ammo] | using tomtom |
| 10:48.55 | Xinhuan | that is mapmod independant |
| 10:48.58 | clad|office | is TomTOm expected to provide the crazy arrow and minimap arrows, with world map waypoints if requested |
| 10:49.01 | clad|office | that's what I'm asking |
| 10:49.04 | neenee | Hm. It still looks crummy. I think Pitbull changed its format or something. I'll look for some newly exported layouts |
| 10:49.11 | [Ammo] | clad|office: basically yes |
| 10:49.15 | Xinhuan | basically ya |
| 10:49.18 | [Ammo] | clad|office: I thought that was the whole point of tomtom |
| 10:49.22 | clad|office | okay, then we can make that work |
| 10:49.25 | Runolf | Hi Channel - is there a way to scale the player arrow on the minimap? i use multimonitor - and my arrow is VERY small... didn't find any Addon that handle that arrow |
| 10:49.27 | Ellipsis | neenee: don't waste your time, nobody's posted any since the change |
| 10:49.28 | clad|office | [Ammo]: it also allows you to make notes on your map |
| 10:49.32 | clad|office | [Ammo]: hence ALL of my questions |
| 10:49.35 | [Ammo] | clad|office: ah ok |
| 10:49.36 | clad|office | but the functionality there is limited |
| 10:49.39 | Lukian | [Ammo], <3 I see lots of commits for 2.4 witchhunt :D |
| 10:49.40 | [Ammo] | clad|office: I never used that nor will that :) |
| 10:49.52 | [Ammo] | Lukian: thank gngsk mainly but yeah it works now |
| 10:49.52 | clad|office | well people have |
| 10:49.56 | clad|office | cause cart_XXX was bloated |
| 10:50.02 | clad|office | so they looked for an alternative |
| 10:50.17 | [Ammo] | ah ok |
| 10:50.19 | clad|office | Xinhuan: that seems like it makes sense then. I'll continue to work on the API for TomTom so all of this makes sense |
| 10:50.21 | Xinhuan | yep, and i'm offering the alternatives in the form of "GatherMate" and "HandyNotes" |
| 10:50.31 | Xinhuan | GatherMate is the replacement for carto_<profs> |
| 10:50.34 | clad|office | Xinhuan: and TomTom fills th cart_waypoint functionality |
| 10:50.40 | Xinhuan | and HandyNotes is the replacement for _Notes and all their plugins |
| 10:50.41 | clad|office | which makes a nice trio :p |
| 10:50.52 | theoddone33 | cartographer_quests uses the most ram for me |
| 10:50.56 | theoddone33 | out of the cart_xxx |
| 10:51.09 | theoddone33 | guess I should kill it |
| 10:51.10 | Arrowmaster | people actually used that crap? |
| 10:51.13 | Ellipsis | neenee: I'm happy to help you get set up if you want |
| 10:51.24 | Xinhuan | the problem with cartographer package is its interdependency on each other |
| 10:51.30 | Xinhuan | you disable one module, 6 other modules doesn't work |
| 10:51.52 | clad|office | yep |
| 10:52.01 | clad|office | putting code in different files or directories is not "modular" |
| 10:52.07 | Ellipsis | oh hey while we're on the subject of map addons |
| 10:52.24 | Ellipsis | is there something like tekMapEnhancer that doesn't block the mouse outside the map? |
| 10:52.36 | clad|office | whats TME? |
| 10:52.40 | clad|office | i mean,w hats it do? |
| 10:52.40 | Xinhuan | "block the mouse?" |
| 10:52.49 | Ellipsis | it's like 5 lines...just makes it un-fullscreen and scales it to .75 |
| 10:53.04 | clad|office | Mapster |
| 10:53.07 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: the area outside the mapframe is still mouse-enabled |
| 10:53.14 | Ellipsis | Mapster does a bit more than I want, and requires me to get Ace3 |
| 10:53.20 | Ellipsis | which I am not currently using in my UI |
| 10:53.24 | Ellipsis | are there any lighter alternatives? |
| 10:53.34 | Xinhuan | by "area outside the mapframe" which area do you really mean? |
| 10:53.47 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: fix tekMapEnhancer then? |
| 10:53.47 | Wobin_ | MapsterLite: 20% less fat than other map alternatives |
| 10:53.49 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: you can see through it, but it's still world map frame |
| 10:53.59 | Ellipsis | you see the 3D world, but mouse clicks don't go to worldframe |
| 10:54.18 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: I would if I knew what was wrong with it |
| 10:54.30 | Wobin_ | Doesn't Cart do something similar? |
| 10:54.34 | Ellipsis | probably |
| 10:54.41 | Wobin_ | Or rather find out by how Mapster and Cart do it |
| 10:54.50 | Wobin_ | then fix tME |
| 10:54.54 | Ellipsis | I was hoping to do exactly that...but I didn't want to wade through framework code to do so |
| 10:55.02 | Ellipsis | I guess Mapster is the closest I'llg et |
| 10:55.07 | Ellipsis | thanks for the suggestions guys |
| 10:55.08 | Xinhuan | there's no such area for me Ellipsis? |
| 10:55.15 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: do you run a widescreen resolution? |
| 10:55.27 | Xinhuan | no, but my map is like on a 75% scale |
| 10:55.28 | nevcairiel | its directly in the OnEnable of Mapster |
| 10:55.31 | nevcairiel | its easy code |
| 10:55.41 | Xinhuan | and the area outside the frame is clickable on worldframe? |
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| 10:55.48 | Ellipsis | I believe that's the cause of the program (there's some commented out stuff in framexml that would cause the issue I'm experiencing, and it's triggered by using a widescreen resolution...my guess is that commented out stuff is implemented in C now) |
| 10:55.55 | Ellipsis | s/program/problem |
| 10:56.11 | Ellipsis | awesome nevcairiel, thanks |
| 10:56.39 | nevcairiel | http://ace.pastey.net/83020 |
| 10:57.20 | Ellipsis | aww now you're just making it too easy ^-^ |
| 10:57.35 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 10:57.56 | neenee | Hm. |
| 10:58.13 | neenee | I have been trying to find it for about five minutes now, but how do I change the textures on Pitbull bars? |
| 10:59.03 | Stanzilla | PitBull => Global Settings |
| 10:59.04 | neenee | Ah, found it. In Global settings |
| 10:59.08 | neenee | :) Thanks |
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| 11:01.30 | Diao | argh |
| 11:01.34 | neenee | ugh, a lot of 'nil' value errors in Pitbull, I'll switch back to the default frames until I have time to mess with it. |
| 11:01.42 | Diao | can't figure out a way to get auto-selfcast to be character specific |
| 11:01.45 | Ellipsis | neenee: barfader? |
| 11:01.53 | neenee | Yes, and Highlight |
| 11:01.56 | neenee | And possibly others too |
| 11:01.59 | Ellipsis | disable barfader, it's horribly broken |
| 11:02.13 | Ellipsis | highlight shouldn't be erroring, I just worked on it recently |
| 11:02.49 | Arrowmaster | Diao: because it cant be character specific, cvars are shared across all characters |
| 11:02.52 | Diao | :( |
| 11:02.57 | Diao | needs to be character specific imo |
| 11:03.06 | Diao | cause i use auto-selfcast on non-healer classes |
| 11:03.11 | Diao | and not on healer classes |
| 11:03.14 | Arrowmaster | you can make an addon and set cvars depending on the character if you really wanted to |
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| 11:03.36 | Diao | hm |
| 11:03.39 | Mech0z | anyone know how to config tinýtip? |
| 11:03.42 | neenee | I tried to check the highlight box, as it was not checked, even though it was enabled, but it gave me the nil error too, as did the target highlight box. |
| 11:03.57 | Mech0z | my tooltip is not at my mousecurser after I updated with aceupdater |
| 11:04.02 | Diao | i can do a /script set cvar on load right? |
| 11:04.07 | Diao | using omnibus |
| 11:04.21 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 11:04.28 | Xinhuan | diao |
| 11:04.35 | Diao | hm |
| 11:04.36 | Diao | ? |
| 11:04.41 | Xinhuan | char specific keybinds |
| 11:04.50 | Diao | i do have those :O |
| 11:04.58 | Arrowmaster | oh i know what Xinhuan's thinking |
| 11:05.01 | Kurax | As a code viewer, pastey doesn't use some mono-width font? |
| 11:05.07 | Grum | Mech0z: /tinytip ? :) |
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| 11:05.14 | Arrowmaster | Mech0z: you cant currently |
| 11:05.31 | Grum | Kurax: it does here? |
| 11:05.40 | Mech0z | Arrowmaster :( |
| 11:05.51 | Diao | i don't want to bind a key for autoselfcast though :p |
| 11:05.54 | Xinhuan | i'm saying |
| 11:06.00 | Xinhuan | you set the modifiedclick for selcast |
| 11:06.02 | Xinhuan | via a macro |
| 11:06.11 | Diao | oh |
| 11:06.15 | Xinhuan | and save that as char specific keybindings with SaveBindingSet(1) |
| 11:06.24 | Kurax | Grum: no, anyone posting codes here? |
| 11:06.27 | Xinhuan | the default interface options saves it on a global basis i think |
| 11:06.29 | Mech0z | Arrowmaster is the mod broken? |
| 11:06.30 | Diao | but i use auto-selfcast on non-healing classes so i don't need to modify-click |
| 11:06.36 | Arrowmaster | Mech0z: no |
| 11:06.40 | Diao | and i have character specific keybindings enabled already |
| 11:06.57 | theoddone33 | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2717/cleansefailxh0.jpg el oh el |
| 11:07.14 | Kurax | But I always using Courier New to view codes hehe |
| 11:07.46 | Ellipsis | theoddone33: welcome to talents :) |
| 11:08.02 | theoddone33 | there's no anti-dispell resist for cleanse |
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| 11:08.07 | theoddone33 | which is sad because I have a floating point |
| 11:08.36 | theoddone33 | at least they're fixing improved sprint |
| 11:08.51 | Grum | Kurax: 'posting codes' ? http://ace.pastey.net/82968 <-- its monospaced here O.o |
| 11:09.09 | Diao | ah there we go |
| 11:09.27 | Diao | i'll use omnibus to /script SetCVar("autoSelfCast",1) on non-healer and 0 on healer |
| 11:10.01 | Diao | or wait i can't.. :( |
| 11:10.05 | Grum | just make an addon that does it .. call it Ztartup :P |
| 11:10.09 | Diao | omnibus is shared across characters too :P |
| 11:10.12 | Grum | so it will load 'lastish' :D |
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| 11:10.20 | Kurax | Grum: nvm, my bad, my Firefox font settings override the page font |
| 11:10.35 | Diao | lol |
| 11:10.41 | Arrowmaster | Diao: just check charname before doing the SetCVar |
| 11:10.43 | Grum | Kurax: amazingly that you put a nonmonospace font for monospace =D |
| 11:10.51 | Diao | or charclass? |
| 11:10.59 | Grum | talent build! |
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| 11:11.42 | Elsia | heya |
| 11:12.28 | Grum | Diao: any news about the shadowpriest? |
| 11:12.31 | Diao | not yet, she hasn't logged today |
| 11:12.40 | Diao | probably not til friday when we have next raid >.> |
| 11:12.50 | Ellipsis | I just keep getting framexml errors |
| 11:12.51 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 11:13.32 | Elsia | anyone happent to have the link to the zone-based bossid xml? |
| 11:15.02 | Mech0z | Arrowmaster do you then know if its going to be changed soon so I can see it as I used to? |
| 11:15.15 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 11:15.45 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: 2.4 changes thread on ui forums search for my posts |
| 11:16.10 | Elsia | arrow: thanks |
| 11:16.51 | Kurax | Xinhuan, are you an ABC? |
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| 11:17.32 | Ellipsis | I give up, I just can't hack tME to work :( |
| 11:17.51 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: pastey |
| 11:18.15 | Xinhuan | ABC? |
| 11:18.16 | CIA-9 | 03diablohu * r63042 10Proximo2/locals/ (localization-class.lua localization-zhCN.lua): |
| 11:18.17 | CIA-9 | Proximo2 |
| 11:18.17 | CIA-9 | - zhCN update |
| 11:18.53 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: original tME code is: http://git.tekkub.net/tekMapEnhancer/tree/tekMapEnhancer.lua |
| 11:19.18 | Ellipsis | I added self:SetHeight() and self:SetWidth() calls since WorldMapFrame was the one blocking my cursor |
| 11:19.29 | Ellipsis | but no matter how small I make it, it still blocks mouse input for some reason |
| 11:19.42 | CIA-9 | 03diablohu * r63043 10Proximo2/locals/localization-zhCN.lua: |
| 11:19.42 | CIA-9 | Proximo2: |
| 11:19.42 | CIA-9 | - zhCN typo (Credits to Wang) |
| 11:19.43 | nevcairiel | nil the UIPanelWindows entry |
| 11:19.44 | Ellipsis | even though GetHeight/GetWidth return my set values |
| 11:19.49 | Ellipsis | tried that, no change |
| 11:20.05 | Xinhuan | height/width is not enough, its dependant on scale too |
| 11:20.12 | nevcairiel | and do WorldMapFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-enabled", false) |
| 11:20.16 | Kurax | American borned Chinese |
| 11:20.17 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: I set the height and width to 100 each |
| 11:20.21 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: also tried that |
| 11:20.23 | Kurax | hehe |
| 11:20.29 | Ellipsis | in fact I tried most of the stuff that was in mapster's onenable, just in case |
| 11:20.50 | nevcairiel | i call SetWidth/Height in the OnShow handler |
| 11:20.54 | nevcairiel | not sure if its still needed |
| 11:20.55 | nevcairiel | but it works |
| 11:21.01 | Ellipsis | that's what I'm diong |
| 11:21.03 | Ellipsis | doing* |
| 11:21.14 | Ellipsis | the values stick, but my mouse is still on the worldmapframe no matter where I put it |
| 11:21.29 | nevcairiel | crazy |
| 11:21.35 | Diao | will doing like |
| 11:21.39 | Xinhuan | a frame height of 100 is 100 no matter what scale the frame is |
| 11:21.45 | Ellipsis | and if I :ClearAllPoints at all, framexml will throw errors :/ |
| 11:21.48 | Diao | if (a = b or a = c or a = d) then blah blah end |
| 11:21.48 | Diao | work? |
| 11:21.51 | Diao | er |
| 11:21.54 | Diao | a == b* |
| 11:21.56 | Diao | and so forth |
| 11:21.58 | Xinhuan | the "real height" is GetHeight() * GetEffectiveScale() |
| 11:22.20 | Mech0z | Arrowmaster then I guess I have to use an older version of it to make it work? |
| 11:22.28 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:22.30 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: I checked that |
| 11:22.40 | nevcairiel | hmm i can :ClearAllPoints just fine |
| 11:22.43 | nevcairiel | and :SetPoint afterwards |
| 11:22.50 | Ellipsis | effective scale is .75 just like it should be (since I'm setting it OnShow) |
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| 11:23.03 | Xinhuan | actually i don't even know what the issue is |
| 11:23.07 | Xinhuan | screenshot? |
| 11:23.11 | Ellipsis | it's not visible |
| 11:23.13 | Ellipsis | basically |
| 11:23.29 | Ellipsis | mine looks liek yours, but if I click in the world area (outside the visible map frame) it doesn't register |
| 11:23.30 | nevcairiel | there is a invisible frame blocking the worldframe |
| 11:23.38 | Ellipsis | and GetMouseFocus() returns WorldMapFrame. |
| 11:23.59 | Xinhuan | so why can't you just WorldMapFrame:SetMouseEnabled(false) |
| 11:24.07 | Ellipsis | because then I can't do things like zoom out |
| 11:24.17 | Xinhuan | zooming out is based on clicking WorldMapButton |
| 11:24.21 | Xinhuan | not WorldMapFrame |
| 11:24.31 | Xinhuan | WorldMapButton is a child of WorldMapFrame |
| 11:24.43 | Ellipsis | really? |
| 11:24.46 | Xinhuan | really |
| 11:24.55 | Ellipsis | huh, you're right |
| 11:24.57 | Ellipsis | well that was easy |
| 11:25.19 | nevcairiel | i have worldmapframe still mouse enabled in mapster tho |
| 11:25.21 | Ellipsis | my question now is, why doesn't tME do that already |
| 11:25.22 | Xinhuan | considering i draw about 600 objects on WorldMapButton in 2 addons |
| 11:25.30 | Xinhuan | i know the map frame inside out ;p |
| 11:25.33 | Ellipsis | if it has no adverse effects |
| 11:25.43 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: because it doesn't need to |
| 11:25.46 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: well I figured you of all people would know, which is why I checked it |
| 11:25.59 | Ellipsis | [Ammo]: it does for me...and probably every other widescreen user. |
| 11:26.13 | [Ammo] | It works fine for me on my widescreen laptop |
| 11:26.31 | nevcairiel | works for me on widescreen too |
| 11:26.43 | Ellipsis | it doesn't for me (yes, even with all other addons disabled) |
| 11:26.50 | [Ammo] | probably forgot some details? |
| 11:27.04 | nevcairiel | i blame tME .. Mapster seems to do that just fine |
| 11:27.09 | Ellipsis | I can give you all the info you want about my setup - the issue is completely reproducable |
| 11:27.18 | Ellipsis | if you like, I'll try Mapster to see if I have the same problem |
| 11:27.20 | [Ammo] | compare code in tme vs the one in mapster |
| 11:27.57 | Lukian | *chuckle* 22:26:14 Lately, your ClosetGnome has begun ranting about some device called SwapMagic. He says it would help him organize Pure AP. |
| 11:27.58 | Ellipsis | does mapster need any libs other than ace3? |
| 11:28.03 | nevcairiel | nop |
| 11:28.06 | Ellipsis | kk |
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| 11:31.10 | Ellipsis | odd. it doesn't happen with Mapster. |
| 11:31.30 | Ellipsis | I'll have to do some more testing, but at least now I have something to compare against |
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| 11:32.17 | Lunos | Hello ^^ |
| 11:32.34 | Diao | yay |
| 11:32.43 | Diao | got a script that checks and enables/disables autocast accordingly |
| 11:32.55 | Lunos | can someone explain how to extract the wow maps? I mean the original wowmap shown by pressing the m key |
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| 11:34.37 | Diao | hm maybe not |
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| 11:41.38 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 11:41.38 | CIA-9 | - Added full localization support for the Config GUI. Let me know if anything is missing. |
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| 11:43.05 | Kazie | Hi guys |
| 11:43.21 | Ellipsis | oh mah god, 1024x768 stretched to a widescreen resolution looks painful |
| 11:43.23 | Kazie | how does GuildCraft show me crafts from my guildmates and others than my self? |
| 11:43.47 | Kazie | ooohh :o ... could imagin that Ellipsis :) |
| 11:44.58 | Orionshock | Kazie: your guildies need to run it, it's a synch mod |
| 11:45.26 | Ellipsis | ok, guys, I don't see how tME is working for you |
| 11:45.37 | Kazie | Ahh |
| 11:45.40 | Ellipsis | I'm running it with 0 other addons and I've tried disabling every video setting I can think of |
| 11:45.47 | Kazie | so it's actually no use if everyone is not running it :s |
| 11:45.57 | Ellipsis | changed resolutions, disabled UI scale, even disabled windowed mode |
| 11:46.01 | Orionshock | no other way |
| 11:46.24 | Orionshock | granted, they really only need to open it up once... |
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| 11:50.32 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: we're not saying tME works, we're saying mapster works |
| 11:50.48 | Ellipsis | well of course mapster works |
| 11:50.53 | Ellipsis | mapster isn't what I was asking about |
| 11:51.04 | [Ammo] | yes but you do know how to compare code don't you? |
| 11:51.11 | [Ammo] | compare mapster onenable vs tME |
| 11:51.15 | [Ammo] | and fix tME |
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| 11:51.36 | Ellipsis | [Ammo]: that's what I'm trying to do |
| 11:51.43 | Ellipsis | but a. nobody other than me can reproduce the problem |
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| 11:52.08 | Ellipsis | and b. copying mapster's entire onenable produces framexml errors, and commenting out the part that causes framexml errors leaves me with the same issue I originally had with tME. |
| 11:52.33 | [Ammo] | probably because mapster OnEnable runs on PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 11:52.39 | [Ammo] | and tME runs on ADDON_LOADED |
| 11:52.52 | Diao | hmm |
| 11:53.11 | [Ammo] | other than that I dunno |
| 11:53.21 | Diao | let's say in my bindings.wtf i have modifiedclick ALT SELFCAST |
| 11:53.23 | Ellipsis | well, maybe |
| 11:53.29 | Diao | if i make a macro with mod:alt |
| 11:53.30 | Ellipsis | I could register the event and check that I suppose |
| 11:53.33 | Diao | which takes precedence? |
| 11:53.35 | [Ammo] | what you could do |
| 11:53.39 | Diao | or will it attempt to selfcast on myself |
| 11:53.41 | [Ammo] | is disable tME from your addons screen |
| 11:53.44 | [Ammo] | enter game |
| 11:53.46 | Ellipsis | I could run Mapster and then delete stuff until it breaks |
| 11:53.53 | [Ammo] | and then do: EnableAddOn("tME") |
| 11:53.59 | [Ammo] | or loadaddon |
| 11:54.01 | [Ammo] | or whatever |
| 11:54.07 | [Ammo] | if it works then with the mapster code in it |
| 11:54.10 | [Ammo] | then it's the event :) |
| 11:54.10 | Ellipsis | yeah, but AddonLoader is already doing that... |
| 11:54.20 | Ellipsis | (well, was - I tried with and without) |
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| 11:55.40 | Diao | halp :( |
| 11:55.42 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: you're probably missing something obvious |
| 11:55.48 | Ellipsis | I must be. but what? |
| 11:55.52 | [Ammo] | I expect a 'DOH' moment soonish :) |
| 11:55.56 | Ellipsis | why does it work for everyone else and not me? |
| 11:56.14 | [Ammo] | does it work for everyone else? |
| 11:56.35 | Ellipsis | apparently so |
| 11:56.43 | [Ammo] | people said mapster worked for them |
| 11:56.46 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan says he can click through the invisible part of the world frame with tME |
| 11:56.48 | [Ammo] | no-one mentioned using tME |
| 11:57.01 | Xinhuan | i don't think anyone uses tme but you? |
| 11:57.10 | Xinhuan | i don't even have a widescreen |
| 11:57.16 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 11:57.25 | Elsia | ~comfort Ellipsis |
| 11:57.26 | purl | There, there, Ellipsis. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:57.38 | Ellipsis | so all you people with the "works for me" stuff were ignoring the fact that I asked about tME, and meant that Mapster worked for you? |
| 11:58.04 | [Ammo] | well you started by saying that scaling the map etc and clicking didn't work |
| 11:58.10 | [Ammo] | and that was when everyone said it works fine for me |
| 11:58.16 | [Ammo] | then you said it was tME |
| 11:58.20 | [Ammo] | anyway |
| 11:58.26 | [Ammo] | you concluded mapster works for you as well |
| 11:58.27 | Ellipsis | [2:52:18 am] <Ellipsis> is there something like tekMapEnhancer that doesn't block the mouse outside the map? [2:55:02 am] <Xinhuan> there's no such area for me Ellipsis? |
| 11:58.39 | [Ammo] | now it's just a matter of cmoparing the code |
| 11:58.44 | Xinhuan | yeah i merely didn't say i use mapster |
| 11:58.46 | Ellipsis | [Ammo]: my original question, as I just quoted, was clearly about tME |
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| 11:59.14 | Xinhuan | and since i don't use widescreen monitors |
| 11:59.26 | Xinhuan | i actually have no idea what "nonclickthru" part of the screen you are talking about |
| 11:59.30 | Xinhuan | asked you for a Screenshot |
| 11:59.38 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: tME scales the map to .75 scale |
| 11:59.43 | Ellipsis | and removes the blackout frame |
| 11:59.48 | Xinhuan | and suggested frame:SetMouseEnabled(false) |
| 12:00.15 | Ellipsis | you guys could have just SAID you didn't have any experience or knowledge of tME, suggested Mapster, and left it at that |
| 12:00.25 | nevcairiel | i did |
| 12:00.26 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 12:00.30 | [Ammo] | we tried helping you |
| 12:00.34 | [Ammo] | by telling you to compare the code |
| 12:00.54 | Ellipsis | I didn't need to be told that. I wouldn't still be talking if comparing the code had led to anything useful. |
| 12:01.07 | [Ammo] | it should have led to something useful |
| 12:01.08 | Xinhuan | so maybe if you provide a SS |
| 12:01.12 | Xinhuan | i would know more |
| 12:01.13 | Ellipsis | the only line in mapster which could be fixing the problem is the line which causes framexml to spit out errors when I put it in tME. |
| 12:01.14 | Xinhuan | about the issue |
| 12:01.22 | [Ammo] | Ellipsis: then give more info about that |
| 12:01.25 | [Ammo] | what line and what error |
| 12:02.17 | chexsum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.28 | Ellipsis | WorldMapFrame.lua:416: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'centerY' (a nil value) |
| 12:02.39 | Ellipsis | chexsum_: I don't appreciate that, I know what I'm doing (most of the time) |
| 12:03.03 | [Ammo] | show the tME that produces that error (pastey) |
| 12:03.06 | chexsum_ | when you first zone location isnt reliable |
| 12:03.12 | Ellipsis | [Ammo]: that error happens when I use the exact same :ClearAllPoints and :SetPoint that mapster has in its onenable |
| 12:03.22 | [Ammo] | show the tME |
| 12:03.36 | Ellipsis | sec |
| 12:03.38 | Ellipsis | pastey is slow |
| 12:04.11 | chexsum_ | do a check to see if x/y is nil and if it is try it again later |
| 12:04.34 | Ellipsis | chexsum_: that's framexml, I can't make framexml try again later :P |
| 12:04.56 | Ellipsis | http://pastey.net/83021 |
| 12:05.09 | nevcairiel | UIPanelWindows["WorldMapFrame"] = nil |
| 12:05.09 | nevcairiel | WorldMapFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-enabled", false) |
| 12:05.11 | chexsum_ | the codes doing something to prompt that code to run |
| 12:05.13 | nevcairiel | add that two lines |
| 12:05.13 | [Ammo] | try passing explicit 0, 0 |
| 12:05.14 | nevcairiel | and try again |
| 12:05.17 | Kivin | Are there globals for the colours of gold/silver/copper text? |
| 12:05.24 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: I TRIED THAT. IT STILL DOESN'T WORK. |
| 12:05.30 | Ellipsis | [Ammo]: I tried that too |
| 12:05.44 | Xinhuan | psWorldMapFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-enabled", false) is not sufficient |
| 12:05.49 | Xinhuan | oh wait it is |
| 12:05.49 | Ellipsis | (since that was the original mapster call, sans db) |
| 12:05.54 | Xinhuan | with the othe rline |
| 12:06.17 | [Ammo] | and add the 2 lines nevc says indeed |
| 12:06.27 | Ellipsis | I DID |
| 12:06.29 | Ellipsis | TWICE NOW |
| 12:06.30 | [Ammo] | and make sure you add them before the setpoints |
| 12:06.36 | [Ammo] | not after |
| 12:06.44 | Ellipsis | no matter how many times you tell me to do it, the result will still be the same |
| 12:06.46 | [Ammo] | ~doingitwrong |
| 12:06.47 | Ellipsis | it doesn't. work. |
| 12:07.04 | Ellipsis | I swear to god, if I could hand my computer over to you right now and SHOW you... |
| 12:07.15 | [Ammo] | just hand me a zip with your tME then |
| 12:07.17 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 12:07.34 | Ellipsis | I just pasteyed it |
| 12:07.37 | Ellipsis | do you need the toc too? |
| 12:07.40 | [Ammo] | is that the whole code? |
| 12:07.45 | [Ammo] | no I don't need the pastey then |
| 12:07.47 | [Ammo] | toc then |
| 12:07.48 | [Ammo] | I mean |
| 12:07.50 | Ellipsis | that's the entire code |
| 12:08.01 | Ellipsis | the original tME is 6 lines: http://git.tekkub.net/tekMapEnhancer/tree/tekMapEnhancer.lua |
| 12:08.09 | Ellipsis | mine obviously is modified due to debugging this |
| 12:09.06 | [Ammo] | testing it on my laptop |
| 12:09.11 | [Ammo] | gimme a few mins |
| 12:09.20 | Ellipsis | take all the time you need |
| 12:10.23 | Xinhuan | you didn't do |
| 12:10.24 | Xinhuan | BlackoutWorld:Hide() |
| 12:10.27 | Xinhuan | inside the hook? |
| 12:10.33 | Xinhuan | the default UI shows it |
| 12:10.51 | Ellipsis | the original did, I moved it to the main chunk to make it work the same way mapster's does |
| 12:10.54 | Xinhuan | in its show |
| 12:10.54 | Ellipsis | either way doesn't work |
| 12:11.12 | Xinhuan | so did yu test for BlackoutWorld's visibility? |
| 12:11.21 | nevcairiel | blackoutworld is a black frame |
| 12:11.22 | Ellipsis | also, the blackout frame wasn't visible anyway, and GetMouseFocus() on the bugged area returns WorldMapFrame |
| 12:11.23 | nevcairiel | you would notice |
| 12:11.24 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 12:11.40 | Ellipsis | yeah, what nev said |
| 12:12.12 | Ellipsis | anyway, I have a solution to my problem now at least |
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| 12:12.22 | Ellipsis | this is just a fun debugging puzzle at this point |
| 12:12.32 | elusif | just under 3 hours until my ban is lifted! |
| 12:12.33 | Xinhuan | so wait, what's the issue with setting MouseDisabled on worldmapframe? |
| 12:13.28 | Xinhuan | WorldMapFrame:SetMouseEnabled(false) <-- is this not working? |
| 12:13.48 | Ellipsis | that does work |
| 12:13.52 | Ellipsis | that's my solution to my problem |
| 12:14.04 | Ellipsis | however, I'd still like to know why the worldframe takes up my whole screen when its height and width are 5 |
| 12:14.19 | Ellipsis | er, worldmapframe* |
| 12:14.27 | Xinhuan | because WorldMapButton is still 800x600 or whatever the size is |
| 12:14.35 | Xinhuan | WorldMapFrame is just a container |
| 12:14.36 | Ellipsis | but worldmapframe is the one intercepting the clicks |
| 12:14.41 | Ellipsis | according to GetMouseFocus() |
| 12:15.08 | Xinhuan | WorldMapFrame is just a frame holding the Zone/continent buttons, and WorldMapButton itself |
| 12:15.12 | Ellipsis | cursor in the top left corner of my screen? GetMouseFocus() returns WorldMapFrame. bottom right? WorldMapFrame. |
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| 12:15.33 | elusif | 1 agility = 2 strength = 2 attack power = 1 stamina = 1 AEP |
| 12:15.38 | elusif | what is aep? |
| 12:15.42 | Ellipsis | WorldMapFrame:GetHeight() and GetWidth() return whtaever values I set for them, and GetEffectiveScale returns 0.75 as I've set |
| 12:15.42 | Xinhuan | are yu getting what i'm saying Ellipsis? |
| 12:15.48 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: I'm getting what you're saying |
| 12:15.53 | Kivin | equivilance points |
| 12:15.55 | Ellipsis | you're not explaining why a tiny frame takes up the whole screen |
| 12:16.19 | elusif | Kivin - does that mean when i geat 1 agi i get all those things, or those it means when i'm deciding between gear that's how i compare? |
| 12:16.32 | Xinhuan | because the frame is not |
| 12:16.34 | Xinhuan | its the textures that are |
| 12:16.42 | Ellipsis | then why does GetMouseFocus() return it |
| 12:16.45 | Ellipsis | if the frame isn't there |
| 12:16.48 | Kivin | elusif: I'm not putting what you said in context, but if it's what I think it is, yeah, it's for comparing stats |
| 12:16.50 | Xinhuan | it should never do it if its mousediabled |
| 12:16.52 | Xinhuan | disabled |
| 12:16.58 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: this is without disabling mouse |
| 12:17.04 | Ellipsis | you are clearly misunderstanding |
| 12:17.14 | Ellipsis | this is no longer about solving the problem (making clicks go through to the world frame) |
| 12:17.17 | Ellipsis | as I said, that's been fixed |
| 12:17.21 | Xinhuan | oh? |
| 12:17.29 | Xinhuan | yuo've been very very vague |
| 12:17.30 | Ellipsis | this is now just an interesting debugging problem - why is the worldmapframe taking up the whole screen |
| 12:17.32 | Xinhuan | and nto providing screenshots |
| 12:17.35 | Kivin | elusif: Is this for a bear tank or something? I don't know why 1 stamina would be in an AEP rating system |
| 12:17.39 | elusif | Kivin: ty |
| 12:17.43 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: download the addon yourself and try it if you want more debugging info |
| 12:17.50 | Kivin | typically AEP is used to rate dps contribution |
| 12:18.02 | elusif | it's for a rogue |
| 12:18.03 | Ellipsis | taking screenshots is quite difficult/complicated for me, which is the only reason I haven't done it |
| 12:18.06 | Xinhuan | i don't see any setheight/width to 5 |
| 12:18.10 | elusif | levelling guide |
| 12:18.11 | Xinhuan | in any of the code |
| 12:18.15 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: I'm describing the things I tried to debug it |
| 12:18.17 | Kivin | oh... weird |
| 12:18.25 | elusif | i'm actually more interested in pvp but i'm just glancing over the pvp guide |
| 12:18.27 | Kivin | don't count AEP when you're leveling; that's silly. |
| 12:18.29 | elusif | it's on wow-europe forums |
| 12:18.50 | Ellipsis | setting the height and width as small as I wanted, it still took up the whole screen; and if I tried the :ClearAllPoints and :SetPoint calls that Mapster does, framexml would error |
| 12:18.50 | elusif | i only upgrade my gear every 10 levels for bgs so i always gear up for pvp |
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| 12:19.02 | Kivin | Even AEP when pvping is silly. X+1 HP > X HP |
| 12:19.07 | Kivin | X+1 Resil > X resil |
| 12:19.09 | Kivin | period |
| 12:19.35 | [Ammo] | got it working ellipsis |
| 12:19.40 | [Ammo] | one sec |
| 12:19.44 | Ellipsis | yay |
| 12:19.47 | elusif | :) |
| 12:19.52 | elusif | hi Chaud |
| 12:19.52 | [Ammo] | you didn't compare code enough :) |
| 12:19.56 | Kivin | There's a really solid AEP rating system for pve rogues on EJ |
| 12:19.57 | Ellipsis | let's see the winning solution |
| 12:20.04 | elusif | i hate pve |
| 12:20.06 | elusif | :) |
| 12:20.19 | [Ammo] | cleaning up the code some |
| 12:20.28 | [Ammo] | as in minimalizing my changes |
| 12:20.35 | Lukian | pfft, why no 49 AB at this time of day? :( |
| 12:20.53 | Kivin | Level to 70? |
| 12:21.03 | Lukian | nty |
| 12:21.12 | Kivin | Actually, I think I'm going to lv.60 twink my warrior |
| 12:21.12 | Lukian | I enjoy having a low level character, not in outland |
| 12:21.34 | Ellipsis | [Ammo]: surely the changes should be no more than a line or two, it has to be something obvious |
| 12:21.42 | [Ammo] | http://pastey.net/83023 |
| 12:21.43 | elusif | SWE? |
| 12:21.48 | [Ammo] | even commented |
| 12:22.23 | Ellipsis | hmm |
| 12:22.35 | CIA-9 | 03hegarol * r63045 10AtlasLoot/TableRegister/ (loottables.de.lua loottables.fr.lua): |
| 12:22.35 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot: |
| 12:22.35 | CIA-9 | - loottables.de/fr cleanup |
| 12:22.37 | elusif | Kivin: i am very slowly - i quest by IF rep for my ramp rather than XP and i pimpo my gear (without buying much) every 10 levels for bgs. like i farm the best instance drops, quest rewards and pvp rewards, then i make sure i have 100 spare marks for each bg for the next ten levels |
| 12:22.38 | [Ammo] | first line changed, width and height added and the UISpecialFrames |
| 12:22.48 | [Ammo] | oh and the hokscript |
| 12:22.52 | [Ammo] | instead of hooksecurefun |
| 12:23.01 | Ellipsis | so I guess tME users just don't care that they can't turn their cameras while the map is open, or something? |
| 12:23.07 | Ellipsis | since I take it you had no issues reproducing the problem |
| 12:23.31 | [Ammo] | I could reproduce your problem perfectly |
| 12:24.12 | Xinhuan | i think the problem is more of |
| 12:24.23 | Xinhuan | nobody uses tme ;p |
| 12:24.52 | Ellipsis | well I'd imagine tekkub does, at least |
| 12:25.05 | Xinhuan | i don't think he uses half of his own addons |
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| 12:25.58 | [Ammo] | anyway, hope it helps you :) |
| 12:26.05 | Ellipsis | indeed it does, thank you very much for the help |
| 12:26.11 | Xinhuan | most of his addons are just "2 minute work" of some code that other ppl are writing 1000 lines of |
| 12:26.24 | Ellipsis | will you take back the ~doingitwrong though? that hurt :( |
| 12:26.34 | [Ammo] | well you were still doing the comparing of code wrong! |
| 12:26.34 | Ellipsis | I was doing exactly what you guys suggested...you just suggested the wrong things :P |
| 12:26.39 | [Ammo] | I fixed it in 30 seconds! |
| 12:26.40 | Ellipsis | we both guessed wrong |
| 12:26.59 | [Ammo] | if only my PC was faster at loading WoW |
| 12:27.08 | Ellipsis | [Ammo]: my comparison was confused by the fact that mapster's code was causing errors |
| 12:27.12 | Ellipsis | which I still don't quite understand |
| 12:27.30 | Ellipsis | even if I load tME manually, it still errors |
| 12:27.35 | Ellipsis | (with the clearallpoints/setpoint) |
| 12:27.37 | [Ammo] | no, you copy pasting in only part of the mapster code it errors |
| 12:27.49 | [Ammo] | the tinsert() being the most important line |
| 12:28.04 | [Ammo] | along width width and height |
| 12:28.11 | Ellipsis | tbqh I missed that line since it was below the hook and mixed in with other irrelevant stuff >_< |
| 12:28.14 | [Ammo] | dunno if the first one is important enough didn't test to revert that to your code |
| 12:29.12 | Ellipsis | of course, I would have found it if I did the whole "run Mapster and then start cutting out code until it breaks" thing |
| 12:29.33 | Ellipsis | which I probably would have done except that it's much faster to reload with just tME than with just Mapster+Ace3 :P |
| 12:31.22 | [Ammo] | I did the "ok, what are or could be the relevant differences" compare |
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| 12:31.59 | Ellipsis | I did too...but cut out the hook and everything below it at once |
| 12:32.14 | Ellipsis | guess I'm too tired to notice things like "oh hey we're adding this frame to a Blizz table, duh" |
| 12:33.16 | Xinhuan | that puts the frame on the "when you press ESC key, close it" |
| 12:33.17 | Xinhuan | table |
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| 12:33.36 | Xinhuan | and is securecalled |
| 12:33.41 | Xinhuan | from blizzard code |
| 12:33.53 | Tifon | tinytip options doesnt work... showing error. any ideas? ^^ |
| 12:34.43 | Ellipsis | Xinhuan: I know, but apparently it influences other things as well |
| 12:35.37 | Ellipsis | or not |
| 12:36.10 | Ellipsis | I just tried it with the "without this it'll barf " line commented, and it works fine |
| 12:36.22 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 12:36.32 | Ellipsis | (doesn't close on esc though, obviously) |
| 12:37.03 | Xinhuan | the reason is because |
| 12:37.10 | Xinhuan | of the |
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| 12:37.19 | Xinhuan | UILayout-enabled attribute |
| 12:37.22 | Xinhuan | that you set to false |
| 12:37.31 | Xinhuan | because if its true, the default UI handles its placement |
| 12:37.35 | Xinhuan | and closes it on ESC |
| 12:37.41 | Ellipsis | yeah, I know |
| 12:37.42 | Xinhuan | so by setting it to false, it doesn't do tat |
| 12:37.49 | Ellipsis | hence the word "obviously" |
| 12:38.07 | Xinhuan | the false statement must also be set in conjustion with nilling out the entry in the UIPanel[] table |
| 12:38.18 | Xinhuan | because on first ShowUIPanel() call on it |
| 12:38.20 | Elsia | does notepad++ have an auto-intend for a marked region? |
| 12:38.23 | Xinhuan | it checks for a attribute |
| 12:38.31 | nevcairiel | Elsia: mark and press tab? |
| 12:38.33 | Xinhuan | and if it isn't set, it copies over from the table |
| 12:38.34 | Ellipsis | elaa: yeah, hit tab |
| 12:38.39 | Ellipsis | erm, Elsia* |
| 12:38.43 | Elsia | nev: thanks |
| 12:38.50 | Elsia | and ellipsis |
| 12:41.27 | elusif | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.30 | elusif | ffs |
| 12:41.33 | elusif | wc |
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| 12:41.43 | elusif | Formula: 1 Agility = 1 Stamina = 2 Strength = .1% Crit. = .2% Dodge = .13% Parry = .13% To Hit = 2 Attack Power = 5 Daggers = 4 Any Resistance = 5 Health/5 Sec. = 50 Armor |
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| 12:42.22 | elusif | the .1% crit refers to .1% of a 'critical strike chance' point? |
| 12:42.24 | elusif | i mean |
| 12:42.28 | elusif | 'critical strike rating' |
| 12:42.31 | Kivin | not rating |
| 12:42.33 | Kivin | percent |
| 12:42.41 | elusif | that's the only crit addons i've seen on gear so far |
| 12:42.55 | Kivin | If you don't know how to convert rating to applied percentage, get RatingBuster |
| 12:43.03 | Kivin | It shows you in the tooltips |
| 12:43.11 | elusif | is it like theorycraft? |
| 12:43.17 | elusif | i will get ratingbuster now ty |
| 12:43.24 | Kivin | no, it just summarizes item stats |
| 12:43.33 | Kivin | Or even better, if you have your hopes set on some ridiculous pvp aep system, get Pawn |
| 12:43.45 | elusif | will i get both or..? |
| 12:43.49 | Kivin | *shrug* sure |
| 12:43.51 | Kivin | i use both |
| 12:43.54 | Arrowmaster | all aep systems are retarded |
| 12:43.55 | elusif | nice |
| 12:43.58 | elusif | ffs |
| 12:44.10 | Kivin | aep has application in pve, but it's absolutely stupid for pvp |
| 12:44.22 | elusif | i need a simple way to compare stats on weapons and armour for pvp |
| 12:44.28 | Kivin | I've already told you |
| 12:44.37 | Kivin | 2 HP > 1 HP; 2 Resil > 1 Resil |
| 12:44.38 | Kivin | PERIOD |
| 12:44.47 | elusif | what about agility |
| 12:44.49 | elusif | and ap etc? |
| 12:44.56 | Kivin | It'll take care of itself if you pad those two stats |
| 12:44.59 | Elsia | 2 Agi > 1 Agi I think ;) |
| 12:45.02 | elusif | lol ya |
| 12:45.05 | Arrowmaster | i probably wont be able to find the forum post about it but there was a system called dep that was much better (except it had one flaw in the default math i think that was fixable) |
| 12:45.12 | elusif | but say i have 4 ap on one armour, and 2 agi on the other |
| 12:45.29 | Kivin | Which has more HP, which has more resil |
| 12:45.38 | Arrowmaster | elusif: what class are you? |
| 12:45.43 | Kivin | he's a rogue |
| 12:45.44 | elusif | rogue |
| 12:45.50 | Arrowmaster | then why the fuck do you care about armor |
| 12:45.51 | Kivin | and cares nothing for pve dps contribution |
| 12:45.52 | elusif | how do i get the bot to link my character? |
| 12:46.01 | Recluse | have the take the item as a whole to compare - and also have to know the character's current stats (what's lacking, what's over-buffed, etc) |
| 12:46.03 | Kivin | !c us cenarion circle omeray |
| 12:46.04 | elusif | because stats come on armour too |
| 12:46.05 | WoWLuaircBot | Kivin: Omeray, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (5/46/10). 10617 HP; 4308 Mana; 81 mana regen; 11307 Armour; 600 AP; 132.600 Melee DPS; 5.97% melee crit; 79 +spell dmg/heal; 302 defense; 16.13% dodge; 13.00% block;[[ TBR: 558 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/29pkb4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/352ag3 ][ Updated: Wed Feb 27 07:55:37 2008 EST ]] |
| 12:46.10 | elusif | !c eu elusif outland |
| 12:46.16 | elusif | !c eu outland elusif |
| 12:46.19 | Kivin | Recluse: There's no such thing as over buffed HP and Resil |
| 12:46.31 | Recluse | lol |
| 12:46.34 | Kivin | 12001 HP > 12000 HP, 19001 HP > 19000 HP. 100% of the time |
| 12:46.49 | elusif | i'm on a ban which is probably why we can't link my character |
| 12:46.52 | Arrowmaster | yeah the dep system (the d is for dps) used the characters main hand and off hand weapon dps as part of the calculations |
| 12:46.59 | nevcairiel | 12000 HP + 20 resilience > 12001 HP + 0 Resilience, tho |
| 12:47.05 | elusif | !c eu outland elusif |
| 12:47.05 | Arrowmaster | was much better than aep imho |
| 12:47.16 | Kivin | nevcairiel: Common sense. If you need an addon to tell you that, it's time to put the game back in the box |
| 12:47.20 | WoWLuaircBot | elusif: outland is not the character you are looking for! |
| 12:47.38 | elusif | !c eu elusif outland |
| 12:47.42 | elusif | :( |
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| 12:48.05 | nevcairiel | Kivin: if people would listen to that, half the servers were empty |
| 12:48.07 | Arrowmaster | armory is lagged |
| 12:48.11 | Kalroth | !c eu stormrage kalroth |
| 12:48.13 | elusif | ya was lagging bad yesterday |
| 12:48.30 | Kivin | Let's not all start linking our chars, please. You can whisper him if you absolutely have to see your stats |
| 12:48.31 | Arrowmaster | the bot replied to your first query |
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| 12:48.44 | Arrowmaster | still has 3 more then Kalroth's to do |
| 12:49.21 | Kivin | elusif: The bottom line is, if you fit out pvp gear, you need to be boosting your HP and Resil as much as possible. The dps stats will take care of themselves. |
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| 12:49.29 | Kivin | Don't pay any attention to crap like dodge, armor |
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| 12:50.07 | Arrowmaster | wasnt AEP created by ming? |
| 12:50.14 | Kivin | Dunno who that is |
| 12:50.22 | Arrowmaster | oh wow |
| 12:50.41 | Kivin | The only DPS Rating system I put any stock in is Vulajin's EP Ratings on EJ. |
| 12:50.54 | WoWLuaircBot | elusif: outland is not the character you are looking for! |
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| 12:51.22 | elusif | lol |
| 12:51.28 | Arrowmaster | told you its lagged |
| 12:51.32 | elusif | the eggdrop is bullying meh! |
| 12:51.40 | elusif | Arrowmaster ya ming |
| 12:51.40 | Arrowmaster | its not an eggdrop |
| 12:51.47 | elusif | well at least it says so on wowwiki |
| 12:51.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah AEP automaticlly is complete fail then |
| 12:52.01 | elusif | why? |
| 12:52.03 | elusif | does he suck? |
| 12:52.06 | WoWLuaircBot | Kalroth: kalroth is not the character you are looking for! |
| 12:52.51 | Arrowmaster | well half the people think hes a god and the other half thing hes a babbling retarded monkey |
| 12:53.45 | Arrowmaster | im in the later half |
| 12:53.45 | dieck_ | hm. looking at some religions, beeing a babbling retarded monkey does not prevent from beeing a god, or the other way round ;) |
| 12:53.46 | Kivin | the AEP system On this page is what i go by: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16940-roguecraft_101_a/ |
| 12:55.37 | Tinhay | does the Cowtip "Appearance" configuration-tree in Rock make anyone else crash with a #132? |
| 12:55.58 | Kivin | nope |
| 12:55.58 | Ellipsis | Tinhay: do you use VisualThemes? |
| 12:56.08 | Tinhay | Yes, actually - I do |
| 12:56.09 | Ellipsis | try disabling it, that should solve your problem |
| 12:56.16 | Ellipsis | it causes crashes with RockConfig sometimes |
| 12:56.18 | Tinhay | awesome, will do |
| 12:56.34 | Arrowmaster | Kivin: so that isnt a true AEP system then? since it assigns a value to agility? |
| 12:57.15 | Kivin | Arrowmaster: It assigns a value to all dps stats |
| 12:57.33 | Kivin | Are you looking at the [code] blobs? |
| 12:57.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 12:57.53 | Kivin | it's all relative to attack power |
| 12:59.01 | Mech0z | Arrowmaster are you the auther of tinytip? and if so havey ou just removed the mouseover feature? |
| 12:59.02 | Kivin | brb. every few days, my internet connection stops working right and i need to restart my comp. |
| 12:59.16 | Arrowmaster | Mech0z: no im not |
| 12:59.25 | Mech0z | ok |
| 12:59.29 | Elsia | anyone got a link for me to aceconfig-3.0 option table format? or is it compatible with 2.0? I can't seem to find a wiki on this |
| 12:59.32 | Mech0z | you just seemed to know a lot about it |
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| 13:03.05 | Kivin | wish I could narrow down what causes this. every 30+ hrs that my comps is running, i start getting... i dunno, massive packet loss, or something |
| 13:03.11 | Kivin | and my connections to stuff randomly fail |
| 13:03.33 | Kivin | as soon as i restart, life resumes for a day and a bit |
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| 13:06.21 | elusif | is the higher the value of a weapon the faster it is or the slower? |
| 13:06.32 | Kivin | *blink* |
| 13:06.35 | Kivin | what? |
| 13:06.44 | elusif | speed value would indicate speed rather than time |
| 13:06.51 | elusif | so the higher the value the faster the weapon is |
| 13:06.57 | Kivin | what speed value? what are you refering to |
| 13:07.03 | elusif | on weapons |
| 13:07.03 | Kivin | cite your source, plxkthx |
| 13:07.05 | elusif | the speed value |
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| 13:07.20 | Kivin | speed is the number of seconds between damage |
| 13:07.22 | elusif | i downloaded pawn and ratingbuster btw |
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| 13:07.30 | Kivin | 2.60 means you do damage every two point six seconds |
| 13:07.56 | elusif | then the variable should be called time and not speed |
| 13:08.34 | elusif | ty |
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| 13:12.51 | CIA-9 | 03next96 * r63046 10GatherMate/Locales/GatherMate-koKR.lua: |
| 13:12.51 | CIA-9 | GatherMate: |
| 13:12.51 | CIA-9 | - Update locale koKR |
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| 13:18.27 | elusif | is there a mod that with split stacks of items into singles automatically for auctioning rather than having to do it manually? |
| 13:18.40 | elusif | mr. plow stacks things but i'm looking for the revers |
| 13:18.41 | elusif | e |
| 13:19.46 | Xinhuan | Auctioneer does it |
| 13:19.56 | Xinhuan | but you'lll have to install pretty much the whole package just to get that one feature lol |
| 13:20.20 | Kivin | wtb an ace3 auctioneer addon with better module support |
| 13:20.36 | Xinhuan | auctioneer advanced is actually in about 12 or 15 different modules |
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| 13:21.05 | elusif | i have to use auctioneer classic because auctioneer advanced doesn't have a search function yet |
| 13:21.15 | Xinhuan | you can use both |
| 13:21.21 | Xinhuan | they exist side by side with no issues |
| 13:22.03 | elusif | so which one controls the browse window? |
| 13:22.12 | elusif | and scanning? |
| 13:22.20 | elusif | whose tooltip takes control? |
| 13:22.35 | Xinhuan | dunno |
| 13:22.38 | Xinhuan | but i know they work |
| 13:22.40 | Xinhuan | together |
| 13:22.47 | break19 | so uhh.. what do you mean it doesnt have a search function? |
| 13:23.15 | kenlyric | can anything else do what bulkmail does? |
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| 13:23.29 | elusif | i make money by searching for items selling for less than 50% of their value and then selling them on for 95% of their value |
| 13:23.35 | elusif | this can't be done with auc advanced |
| 13:23.41 | elusif | unless you go through items manually |
| 13:23.52 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63047 10kgPanelsConfig/ (PanelHelper.lua kgPanelGuideFrame.lua): kgPanelsConfig: guide frame updates |
| 13:23.56 | elusif | immediately after a scan you can make classic display a list of all the underpriced items |
| 13:23.57 | kenlyric | auc advanced has bottomscanner |
| 13:24.09 | elusif | ya so does classic |
| 13:24.32 | elusif | but bottomscanner is only for items that are placed on ah as the bottomscanner is running if i'm not mistaken |
| 13:24.48 | elusif | it will not display pre-existing underpriced auctions as auc classic will |
| 13:24.57 | kenlyric | that's strange |
| 13:24.58 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63048 10kgPanelsConfig/PanelHelper.lua: kgPanelsConfig: oops misted 1 thing |
| 13:25.00 | elusif | ya |
| 13:25.17 | elusif | someone in #norganna told me they're working on the search function when i queried this a few months ago |
| 13:25.17 | break19 | gah! aceconfig keeps telling me I'm missing a closing }, but for the life of me I cant see it... |
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| 13:26.12 | elusif | wow armoury sux :( |
| 13:26.12 | sag_ich_nicht | [IsPlayerOrPet ? IsFriend ? FractionalHP:Short] [IsEnemy | ~IsPlayerOrPet ? PercentHP:Percent] |
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| 13:26.24 | sag_ich_nicht | where is my error |
| 13:26.41 | sag_ich_nicht | because it's always literally returning "True" |
| 13:27.12 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63049 10Mapster/Mapster.lua: Mapster: tweak zone traversal code |
| 13:27.44 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:27.49 | break19 | http://ace.pastey.net/83025 <- why is this function missing a } and where?? |
| 13:28.06 | Ellipsis | what you probably want is brackets areound the IsEnemy | ~IsPlayerOrPet part |
| 13:28.09 | Ellipsis | I think |
| 13:28.17 | sag_ich_nicht | aaah okay. |
| 13:28.42 | Ellipsis | your entire tag could be simplified a lot though |
| 13:28.45 | sag_ich_nicht | yupp makes more sense that way, logic error on my side D: |
| 13:29.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: well do it then, because i cba to figure out something better. |
| 13:29.20 | Ellipsis | [[IsPlayerOrPet?IsFriend]?FractionalHP:Short!PercentHP:Percent] |
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| 13:30.06 | Hjalte | There is no options for Closetgnome_BigWigs? |
| 13:33.33 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks. Ellipsis i never understood how ! works, is it declaring a default return condition or what? D: |
| 13:34.10 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: the ? is an if, and ! is the else block |
| 13:34.11 | sag_ich_nicht | (in b4 useless suggestion of /dog as i am not at a computer with WoW access and /dog isn't all too helpful in those regards anyway) |
| 13:34.28 | Ellipsis | oh come on, you think I'd do that to you? |
| 13:34.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: isn't ? actually a logical AND? |
| 13:34.36 | Ellipsis | I know better than to waste my breath on a "RTFM" in your direction |
| 13:34.39 | Ellipsis | well yes, it works both ways |
| 13:35.16 | Ellipsis | just like in lua, "x and y or z" returns z if x is nil or false |
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| 13:35.25 | sag_ich_nicht | then how does the parserer differenciate? that's why i'm asking, i want to know what it actually does, not what i can compare it with ;) |
| 13:35.36 | Ellipsis | in dogtag, [x?y!z] returns z if x is empty |
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| 13:35.48 | Ellipsis | the parser doesn't have to differentiate |
| 13:35.49 | sag_ich_nicht | -er |
| 13:35.53 | Ellipsis | because they're the same function |
| 13:36.17 | Ellipsis | lua> true and "1" or "0" |
| 13:36.18 | lua_bot | Ellipsis: 1 |
| 13:36.29 | Ellipsis | lua> false and "1" or "0" |
| 13:36.30 | lua_bot | Ellipsis: 0 |
| 13:36.33 | Ellipsis | see how that works? |
| 13:36.33 | sag_ich_nicht | oh okay yeah i see it now, so ! is atctually an or? because then i have to wonder why there are ! and | |
| 13:36.42 | Ellipsis | well no |
| 13:36.51 | Ellipsis | ! is reserved for else, and | for or |
| 13:37.00 | Ellipsis | there is a specific reason that's required, but it's complicated :P |
| 13:37.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i like complicated :P |
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| 13:37.44 | Ellipsis | consider the tag [A? B | C | D] |
| 13:38.14 | Ellipsis | if there's no differentiation, and A is "", you don't know whether "C | D" is the else part, or just "D" |
| 13:38.14 | sag_ich_nicht | because 9/10 times people say complicated when they mean complex |
| 13:38.53 | Ellipsis | so to simplify the tag writing, the parser only recognizes ! as elses |
| 13:40.14 | Ellipsis | basically the problem is that without it, the parser will guess at what the user intends, and guess wrong most of the time |
| 13:40.29 | Ellipsis | this way it's sure to guess right...or at least closer to it :P |
| 13:40.31 | sag_ich_nicht | so ! is exclusive to slap retarded users. |
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| 13:40.41 | Ellipsis | um, you could look at it that way, sure |
| 13:40.48 | sag_ich_nicht | also logic parsers don'tguess. |
| 13:40.52 | Kurax | lua> 1 + 1 |
| 13:40.53 | lua_bot | Kurax: 2 |
| 13:40.58 | Kurax | lol funny |
| 13:41.03 | sag_ich_nicht | lol noob |
| 13:41.09 | Ellipsis | what I meant was, the parser's result would be unintuitive for most users |
| 13:41.42 | kenlyric | hmmm... new animal named mod with eating flavor text... ck working on a minimap mod? |
| 13:41.44 | Kurax | lua> "noob" or "sag_ich_nicht" |
| 13:41.45 | lua_bot | Kurax: noob |
| 13:42.00 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: been working on it, it's quite stable and full-featured now |
| 13:42.12 | clad|office | i hate that phrase |
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| 13:42.14 | clad|office | full-featured |
| 13:42.17 | clad|office | *boggle* |
| 13:42.19 | kenlyric | does it do anything cool or interesting |
| 13:42.27 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: if you really want to discuss the details of dogtag syntax, there's a thread in Unit Frames about the future plans for dogtag-3.0 |
| 13:42.29 | sag_ich_nicht | so how is ! enforced to be an else? wouldn't that cause a very slight performance impact? (probably near unmeasurable, but still :P) |
| 13:42.40 | nevcairiel | full-featured is a synonym for "bloated with everything you could think of" imho :D |
| 13:42.57 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: everything you'd expect, and a bit more (e.g. skinning the tracking dots, range indicator, etc.) |
| 13:43.10 | Ellipsis | you could put it that way nevcairiel, but each module can be disabled :) |
| 13:43.16 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: The range indicator is great |
| 13:43.18 | kenlyric | yes, but can the *questtimer* be moved |
| 13:43.19 | Chompers | Ellipsis: did ckknight get any good suggestions? |
| 13:43.25 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: absolutely |
| 13:43.29 | kenlyric | GIMME |
| 13:43.39 | Ellipsis | it has movers for all the minimapcluster stuff, plus the WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame |
| 13:43.50 | Ellipsis | Chompers: actually yeah, there's been a lot of good discussion |
| 13:43.59 | kenlyric | every time I move that bloody frame it moves back under the map |
| 13:44.04 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: i believe in having a choice before downloading, not disabling after .. see Mapster+GatherMate+HandyNotes in comparison to Cartographer ;) |
| 13:44.22 | kenlyric | cart gives you a choice in gathering |
| 13:44.31 | Ellipsis | god forbid we waste a few KB of bandwidth |
| 13:44.53 | clad|office | nevermind |
| 13:44.59 | clad|office | you clearly don't want to understand |
| 13:45.11 | Ellipsis | clad|office: I don't like how he phrased it, is all. |
| 13:45.17 | Ellipsis | in principle I agree, at least when it comes to cart |
| 13:45.29 | clad|office | so instead of stating that, you were a jerk about it? |
| 13:45.45 | Ellipsis | he was a jerk about it first! |
| 13:45.47 | kenlyric | mommy, daddy, don't fight! |
| 13:45.53 | Elsia | kurax: I committed a gui localization-ready version of recount a while back, let me know if something is missing |
| 13:46.22 | Shirik | impressive! |
| 13:46.25 | clad|office | nervermind, I don't even know whY i bother. |
| 13:46.25 | Shirik | Blackboard's gotten worse |
| 13:46.27 | Kurax | Elsia: I'll check right now |
| 13:46.29 | Shirik | every page now shows a 404 error |
| 13:46.30 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 13:46.34 | Ellipsis | clad|office: bother with what? we're on the same side here. |
| 13:46.43 | Kalroth | Clad is the enemy! |
| 13:46.46 | Ellipsis | I don't like cart any more than I like necb |
| 13:46.48 | Elsia | kurax: thanks |
| 13:46.53 | kenlyric | clad|office: because you like picking fights with anything ck does. |
| 13:46.56 | nevcairiel | clad is always the enemy, didnt you get the memo? |
| 13:46.56 | Ellipsis | I wouldn't wish either of them on my worst enemy |
| 13:47.02 | kenlyric | anyone who has spent more than 10 minutes in this channel knows that. |
| 13:47.17 | kenlyric | to be fair, so does he :) |
| 13:47.22 | Snago | Hmm, is there any way to get the lua compiler to accept files in UTF8 with a BOM? |
| 13:47.30 | kenlyric | see above re: mommy and daddy, don't fight! |
| 13:47.43 | Shirik | Snago: Lua does not support UTF8, period. It can /work/, but it does not support it directly. |
| 13:47.44 | clad|office | Ellipsis: Nev made a very clear statement abotu what bothers him about a mod like cart. He doesn't like that it comes with the kitchen sink and then has to decide what to disable. How is taht being a jerk, or being unreasonmable? |
| 13:47.45 | nevcairiel | Snago: use the wowlua thing cogwheel published on WoWI |
| 13:47.48 | kenlyric | the plebs love you both equally! |
| 13:47.55 | Ellipsis | clad|office: did you miss his previous comment? |
| 13:47.59 | Ellipsis | [5:42:31 am] <nevcairiel> full-featured is a synonym for "bloated with everything you could think of" imho :D |
| 13:48.02 | sag_ich_nicht | also Ellipsis if i see this right :bla is enforcing the output and e.g. FractionalHP without the :Short would just return true(given that the target has, in fact, a HP bar) |
| 13:48.13 | clad|office | Ellipsis: I did miss that, even tho I happen to agree with it |
| 13:48.18 | Shirik | The Lua compiler has no problem accepting UTF8 files but they have to not have the 4 byte header |
| 13:48.19 | sag_ich_nicht | is that correct? |
| 13:48.23 | Ellipsis | no sag_ich_nicht, it would return X/Y where x is current health and Y is max |
| 13:48.38 | Ellipsis | clad|office: I happen to agree with it too, which is why I said so. |
| 13:48.45 | Shirik | Snago: If you can't produce files without that header, get a better text editor. |
| 13:48.48 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh, so : is just a formating option? |
| 13:48.55 | Ellipsis | do you see how I may have been justified in responding the way I did, now? |
| 13:49.10 | nevcairiel | Shirik: AFAIK, the lua in WoW works fine even with the BOM Header |
| 13:49.35 | Shirik | then they did something strange to the compiler, but I don't believe it does last I checked. But that was a loooong time ago |
| 13:49.47 | Snago | Shirik: I can, I just wanted to avoid converting back and forth each time I compile |
| 13:49.54 | Ellipsis | all I'm saying is that chinchilla, while it does have several separate modules for different features, is a far cry from the monster that is cartographer |
| 13:49.57 | Shirik | why do you have to go back and forth, Snago? |
| 13:50.11 | Shirik | Just leave it without the header |
| 13:50.11 | clad|office | sure, but agree that it does include everything anyone could want in a minimap mod |
| 13:50.20 | sag_ich_nicht | grammar nazis. serious business |
| 13:50.21 | Ellipsis | I never claimed otherwise |
| 13:50.32 | Ellipsis | [5:42:48 am] <Ellipsis> kenlyric: everything you'd expect, and a bit more (e.g. skinning the tracking dots, range indicator, etc.) |
| 13:50.38 | clad|office | that's fine, it doesn't matter |
| 13:51.21 | kenlyric | clad is weary of the argument he started. |
| 13:51.23 | Ellipsis | I'm all for using lighter alternatives if they provide all the features you want; I'm not actually recommending chinchilla for anyone, just answering questions :) |
| 13:51.23 | kenlyric | such a winner |
| 13:51.32 | Snago | Shirik: Someone recomended using BOM for locale files |
| 13:51.37 | Shirik | kenlyric, do you like pissing people off? |
| 13:51.46 | Shirik | Snago: Who recommended that :P |
| 13:51.49 | clad|office | kenlyric: I don't really know what you're talking about, but that's fine. |
| 13:51.53 | kenlyric | Shirik: no, but the fact that he has to poke at ck at every chance really bugs me |
| 13:51.58 | clad|office | ... |
| 13:52.02 | clad|office | how am i poking at ck? |
| 13:52.07 | Snago | Shirik: Don't remember :S |
| 13:52.07 | Shirik | And apparently you have to poke at him every chance you get |
| 13:52.08 | clad|office | he did exactly what he intended to, and did a great job at it. |
| 13:52.08 | FtH|Daemona | so, anyone know whats wrong with the ptr login? |
| 13:52.09 | Shirik | win! |
| 13:52.12 | Ellipsis | defending nev = poking at ck |
| 13:52.13 | Shirik | Let's all kill each other |
| 13:52.17 | Ellipsis | clearly a direct connection there |
| 13:52.20 | Shirik | world would be a better place obviously |
| 13:52.27 | clad|office | I have great respect for ckknight |
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| 13:52.37 | kenlyric | you do? well, it doesn't show |
| 13:52.40 | Shirik | Seriously if you don't have anything useful to say, just shut up, kenlyric. That snipe was unnecessary. |
| 13:52.40 | clad|office | we're about as far away from each other as we can be on the spectrum of developers |
| 13:52.43 | nevcairiel | defending/using/doing anything not from ck = poking, clearly |
| 13:52.44 | kenlyric | you don't get negative until its in relation to his mods |
| 13:52.46 | clad|office | you don't pay attentino very much then |
| 13:52.51 | clad|office | when was i negative? |
| 13:52.56 | clad|office | when have i EVER said a ckknight mod sucked |
| 13:52.58 | clad|office | never |
| 13:53.04 | Xinhuan | [2/27 21:50:16] <+Shirik> The Lua compiler has no problem accepting UTF8 files but they have to not have the 4 byte header |
| 13:53.06 | clad|office | nor have i said shit one abotu joker or rock |
| 13:53.07 | Xinhuan | isn't it 3 bytes? |
| 13:53.08 | clad|office | cause they're great |
| 13:53.15 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: smartass :P |
| 13:53.19 | Shirik | er, it's 2 bytes I think |
| 13:53.22 | clad|office | you really should pay more attention before you throw shit like that around |
| 13:53.24 | clad|office | 1 byte! |
| 13:53.26 | Shirik | I don't know why I said that |
| 13:53.28 | clad|office | i'km the closest without going over!! |
| 13:53.29 | Shirik | should be FEFF |
| 13:53.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhua: no, the newline is also a byte. |
| 13:53.37 | sag_ich_nicht | oh snap |
| 13:53.40 | Xinhuan | there's no newline |
| 13:53.48 | Shirik | it's just for byte ordering basically |
| 13:53.49 | Ellipsis | OH SHI PUNS |
| 13:53.52 | nevcairiel | Shirik: we've all made that mistake, 4 hex digits = 4 bytes |
| 13:53.53 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:53.54 | clad|office | kenlyric: Seriously, it's easy to make assumptions and accusations, but you would be hard pressed to back up ANYTHING you are saying. |
| 13:53.57 | clad|office | because its just plain not true |
| 13:54.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: there is now! |
| 13:54.05 | Elsia | addon plurality is a good thing, we have a good range of addons for many things, people can pick and choose, that's actually a good thing |
| 13:54.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik integrate x/6 |
| 13:54.28 | clad|office | Elsia: Indeed, if there wasn't a cartographer_waypoints, I would have had no need to make TomTom |
| 13:54.29 | Shirik | 42 |
| 13:54.37 | durcyn | yes, we need 8 addons to cancelaura blessing of salvation |
| 13:54.40 | Elsia | ckk addons do unfortunately come up a lot in the canonical bloat arguments, so it's easy to confuse respect for an author with attitude towards coding |
| 13:55.02 | Ellipsis | different approaches to the same problem are good; they result in more choice for the users. |
| 13:55.24 | Shirik | imagine if Windows was the only OS |
| 13:55.28 | Shirik | ow |
| 13:55.37 | clad|office | We happen to disagree HIGHLY on what "modular" means |
| 13:55.49 | clad|office | but that's fine |
| 13:55.51 | kenlyric | clad|office: well, maybe that's the leap i'm making |
| 13:55.51 | Shirik | modular obviously means throw every line of code in a different file |
| 13:56.02 | Shirik | and then you have an excuse to put fifty million features in |
| 13:56.05 | Shirik | :D |
| 13:56.06 | kenlyric | it comes across to me as antagonistic. |
| 13:56.07 | Elsia | the real problem is within-addon LoD, I think there'd be way more convergence if we had that... but I may be wrong |
| 13:56.18 | nevcairiel | Shirik joined the Rock team, i knew it"! |
| 13:56.19 | Ellipsis | imo the real difference in approaches is just a matter of packaging |
| 13:56.27 | clad|office | kenlyric: no offense, but that's your problem not mine. I've been working with and around ckknight since he started in this community (I was in the original BossPanel thread). |
| 13:56.28 | kenlyric | whichever thing it is that makes mods have 400 folders in Interface/Addons, I hate that |
| 13:56.37 | Ellipsis | include all the modules and it's bloated, offer them separately and it's "modular" |
| 13:56.44 | clad|office | Ellipsis: Its the packaging and the presentation, yep |
| 13:56.44 | kenlyric | let's work together and stop that shit |
| 13:56.47 | clad|office | but it makes a difference |
| 13:56.53 | Shirik | Ellipsis: It's marketing, basically |
| 13:56.56 | Ellipsis | it certainly does make a difference |
| 13:56.58 | Shirik | There are buzzwords in the community |
| 13:57.09 | Shirik | they change somewhat often, but the big one right now is "modular" |
| 13:57.25 | Shirik | just like in the OS community, the big one right now is "microkernel" |
| 13:57.27 | Ellipsis | exactly |
| 13:57.31 | clad|office | your mom is a microkernel |
| 13:57.34 | Elsia | the buzz is often even anti-modular... ;) |
| 13:57.43 | Shirik | people say these things without even knowing the truth behind what it truly means, or it even being coded such a way |
| 13:57.46 | clad|office | Ellipsis: Take the chat scroll module for example |
| 13:57.47 | Elsia | e.g. "2k for a lib for that!" |
| 13:57.50 | Shirik | NOT SAYING that ckknight is doing this, just saying that's what happens |
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| 13:58.05 | clad|office | Thats included with Chinchilla.. and no one in the right mind will ever actually navigate to that folder and remove it |
| 13:58.08 | nevcairiel | modular isnt bad, if you dont practice it to excessivly |
| 13:58.19 | clad|office | so why couldn't it just be the 5 line snippet in the core, with an option to turn it on and off? |
| 13:58.20 | Ellipsis | clad|office: you mean the zoom feature? |
| 13:58.29 | clad|office | yeah i meant scroll, not chat scroll |
| 13:58.32 | clad|office | was reading something else |
| 13:58.53 | Ellipsis | well personally I agree with you...one checkbox and 5 lines of code doesn't seem worth an entire module to me |
| 13:59.10 | Ellipsis | but ck designed it that way, perhaps he planned to add more, perhaps he just didn't feel like it belonged anywhere else |
| 13:59.16 | clad|office | Ellipsis: more importantly, the reality of people going in and deleting a sub-directory, to remove a module |
| 13:59.23 | clad|office | just isn't realistic |
| 13:59.30 | Ellipsis | there's a checkbox to achieve the same effect |
| 13:59.32 | Ellipsis | in-game |
| 13:59.38 | clad|office | *nod* |
| 13:59.40 | clad|office | thats my point tho :P |
| 13:59.48 | clad|office | *shrug* |
| 13:59.51 | CIA-9 | 03cwdg * r63050 10Mapster/ (Locale/zhCN.lua Mapster.toc): |
| 13:59.51 | CIA-9 | Mapster: |
| 13:59.51 | CIA-9 | update zhCN local |
| 13:59.51 | Elsia | as said, within directory LoD would address this |
| 13:59.55 | clad|office | just a difference in opinion |
| 14:00.04 | clad|office | Elsia: I think that's unnecessary for something like this |
| 14:00.10 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 14:00.12 | sag_ich_nicht | this is enough |
| 14:00.12 | clad|office | I would ilke that for other real reasons, but I don't think this specifically is one of them |
| 14:00.14 | sag_ich_nicht | shut up now. |
| 14:00.17 | nevcairiel | you cant expect blizzard to fix your modularity issues :P |
| 14:00.22 | Ellipsis | clad|office: well, do you think the users would prefer if every feature in every addon they downloaded was opt-in? |
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| 14:00.30 | Ellipsis | (not you, the normal stupid people that download addons) |
| 14:00.33 | [Ammo] | clad|office: I'd love it for localization :) |
| 14:00.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Offenderserv is running Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) on an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ at 2.60 GHz with 0/2048MB (0.00%) RAM free. |
| 14:00.39 | sag_ich_nicht | It has an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra running at 1680x1050x32bpp 60Hz, SB Live! 24-bit, and 527.12 GB of 1294.81 GB available on 2 drive(s). |
| 14:00.40 | clad|office | Ellipsis: I think there's a point of being reasonable, and realistic |
| 14:00.44 | CIA-9 | 03wang * r63051 10GridStatusHealPriority/ (GridStatusHealPriority.toc Locale-zhCN.lua): |
| 14:00.44 | CIA-9 | GridStatusHealPriority: |
| 14:00.44 | CIA-9 | - zhCN added |
| 14:00.52 | Ellipsis | I agree - and that's why certain modules are disabled by default |
| 14:00.52 | sag_ich_nicht | NOBODY CARES ABOUT 5 KILOBYTES TODAY. GET A LIFE. |
| 14:01.08 | Elsia | I think it would help a lot of situation if we had within mod LoD, who honestly likes the Addon_Module proliferation in one directory hierarchy |
| 14:01.13 | Ellipsis | you draw that line a bit differently than ck does, as far as which should/shouldn't be on by default, but that's really all it comes down to |
| 14:01.26 | clad|office | That's all I've been trying to say |
| 14:01.27 | Ellipsis | (that and the packaging issue described above) |
| 14:01.36 | Xinhuan | sag_ich_nicht, i've seen Ellipsis care over less than 1k memory |
| 14:01.46 | Elsia | I for one will never split recount into folders, I rather ask people to delete lua files manually even if 99% of people will never do that |
| 14:01.49 | kenlyric | as a user I'd rather have one mod with several moduls than several mods... assuming the grouping makes sense |
| 14:01.49 | Xinhuan | because her laptop is only on 512 mb ram or something |
| 14:01.52 | Ellipsis | I've cared over far less than 1k |
| 14:01.54 | Xinhuan | and wow runs at 230 mb ram |
| 14:02.04 | Ellipsis | WoW runs at 500MB in outlands |
| 14:02.06 | Ellipsis | what are you smoking |
| 14:02.15 | Chompers | crack |
| 14:02.15 | clad|office | I will continue to make my addons small, focused, and extensible |
| 14:02.18 | Xinhuan | you showed stanzilla and me months ago remember? |
| 14:02.25 | clad|office | ckknight will continue to provide every feature you can possibly think of |
| 14:02.25 | Xinhuan | than your boyfriend's PC can run wow at 200 mb or so |
| 14:02.27 | clad|office | and that's fine |
| 14:02.37 | Ellipsis | clad|office: and thus, the user will continue to have choices to fit their needs :) |
| 14:02.39 | clad|office | people even use our addons together!!! |
| 14:02.43 | clad|office | Ellipsis: Indeed |
| 14:02.46 | Ellipsis | blasphemy! |
| 14:02.48 | nevcairiel | how dare they |
| 14:02.57 | sag_ich_nicht | ALSO |
| 14:02.58 | Laric | anyone got any idea why I (and others) are getting nasty lag spikes in leaving combat and also when ppl in the raid are zoning. It only happens if we are using grid |
| 14:03.10 | [Ammo] | who stored the torches and pitchforks from last time's witchhunt? |
| 14:03.26 | FtH|Daemona | Dunno [Ammo] but i can ask in #shitstorm if you care. |
| 14:03.32 | Xinhuan | so clad|office, do you have the api yet for adding a waypoint without adding a mapnote? |
| 14:03.34 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis fails at simplifing this dogtag: [IsPlayerOrPet ? IsFriend ? FractionalHP:Short] [[IsEnemy | ~IsPlayerOrPet] ? PercentHP:Percent] does not equal [[IsPlayerOrPet ? IsFriend] ? FractionalHP:Short ! PercentHP:Percent] |
| 14:03.42 | Xinhuan | or should i just wait for the weekend |
| 14:03.44 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: how so? |
| 14:03.47 | nevcairiel | we're more oldschool here .. torches and pitchforks are all we need |
| 14:04.00 | [Ammo] | public hangings will suffice too |
| 14:04.09 | [Ammo] | or a good ole stoning |
| 14:04.10 | nevcairiel | or burning |
| 14:04.18 | Ellipsis | shall I tie ck to a stake for you? |
| 14:04.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: friendly known HP (known as in, provided by WoW) shown as percent. oh noes |
| 14:04.30 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: you are lying |
| 14:04.39 | Ellipsis | if that's what you wanted just use SureHP |
| 14:04.45 | Ellipsis | instead of the player/friendly checks |
| 14:04.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: no, i'm not. maybe my friend on ICQ is :P |
| 14:04.52 | clad|office | Xinhuan: you can local point = TomTom:SetWaypoint(c,z,x,y) and then point:Hide(nil, true) |
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| 14:05.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: SureHP fails imho |
| 14:05.09 | clad|office | Xinhuan: but i'll get that into the setwaypoint function itself, i think |
| 14:05.11 | Ellipsis | why? |
| 14:05.21 | Xinhuan | ok i'll wait for the wowi upload then |
| 14:05.25 | kenlyric | is there something like waterfall that lets you limit which mods it shows? |
| 14:05.40 | kenlyric | I really only want to access mods that I don't already have fubar buttons for. |
| 14:05.41 | clad|office | okay, heading home |
| 14:05.48 | Elsia | laters |
| 14:05.52 | clad|office | hopefully my internet has returned =/ |
| 14:05.56 | kenlyric | mapster and routes, routes mostly |
| 14:05.59 | Ellipsis | good luck |
| 14:06.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: because i'll still have to do a check for ~SureHP or something like that :P |
| 14:06.19 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan should add a worldmap button for Routes |
| 14:06.24 | nevcairiel | next to the mapster button |
| 14:06.28 | [Ammo] | kenlyric: you could install Ace3 standalone and type: /ace3 |
| 14:06.30 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: um, no? |
| 14:06.31 | Xinhuan | there is a RoutesFu you can use |
| 14:06.37 | Xinhuan | but its rockbased |
| 14:06.39 | Xinhuan | for fubar3 |
| 14:06.40 | Ellipsis | [SureHP?FractionalHP:Short!PercentHP:Percent] |
| 14:06.41 | Ellipsis | done. |
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| 14:06.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 14:06.54 | kenlyric | you mean the one that says its cartographer? |
| 14:07.03 | kenlyric | *for cartographer |
| 14:07.07 | Xinhuan | it works for both routes and carto_routes |
| 14:07.15 | Xinhuan | i updated it to work for either |
| 14:07.19 | Xinhuan | whichever you have installed |
| 14:07.30 | Xinhuan | if both are instaleld and enabled, it picks Routes over carto_routes |
| 14:07.40 | CIA-9 | 03snago * r63052 10IHML/locales/ (locale-deDE.lua locale-enUS.lua locale-exEX.lua locales.xml): |
| 14:07.40 | CIA-9 | IHML: |
| 14:07.40 | CIA-9 | - Added deDE, thanks to Farook |
| 14:07.42 | kenlyric | typing is hard when I'm trying to keyboard turn and click rend. |
| 14:08.18 | Arrowmaster | RoutesFu may be rockbased for now but i have a version thats ace3 based, but you cant configure it |
| 14:08.28 | Arrowmaster | yet |
| 14:08.37 | Ellipsis | ...what's the point of a *Fu that you can't configure |
| 14:08.48 | Ellipsis | isn't that the entire purpose of it? :P |
| 14:08.53 | nevcairiel | see the yet |
| 14:08.54 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:09.01 | Ellipsis | well he brags about it like it's useful :P |
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| 14:09.25 | Arrowmaster | no it works perfectly, you just cant do stuff like change it between right left and center |
| 14:09.25 | Xinhuan | what's the point of switching from one framework to another, if its still going to use a framework |
| 14:09.34 | CIA-9 | 03wobin * r63053 10Xparky/Xparky.lua: Xparky - Fixed the clickpasting |
| 14:09.44 | Ellipsis | oh, you mean configure the FBP part itself |
| 14:09.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 14:09.51 | Ellipsis | I thought you meant you couldn't use RoutesFu to configure Routes |
| 14:09.53 | kenlyric | Ellipsis: sometimes I just use a fu to access the module I need |
| 14:09.55 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: with Routes you have Ace3 already, dont need Rock for that |
| 14:10.07 | Xinhuan | hm |
| 14:10.08 | kenlyric | because I don't want to type /routes, for instance |
| 14:10.16 | Ellipsis | lazy :P |
| 14:10.17 | Xinhuan | well you can just get RoutesFu off wau for now |
| 14:10.19 | kenlyric | indeed |
| 14:10.25 | kenlyric | I'm a user, it's my job to be lazy |
| 14:10.35 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: btw make routesfu open the routes config when clicked |
| 14:11.03 | Ellipsis | argh |
| 14:11.08 | Ellipsis | now I have a headache |
| 14:11.21 | Elsia | ~comfort Ellipsis |
| 14:11.21 | purl | There, there, Ellipsis. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:11.27 | kenlyric | in fact, my access only fubar icons have their own bar spot :) |
| 14:11.46 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 14:11.47 | kenlyric | some of them even contain configuration options that I don't use! |
| 14:12.54 | Wobin_ | kenlyric: Psst |
| 14:12.55 | Wobin_ | Dash |
| 14:13.06 | Wobin_ | Put a fubar on Dash with all the config stuff you don't care about |
| 14:13.59 | nevcairiel | i hide all fubar stuff i dont care about |
| 14:14.00 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:14.08 | kenlyric | yeah, I'd just hide it if I don't care about it |
| 14:14.12 | kenlyric | I actually use these, daily |
| 14:14.15 | Ellipsis | I just l2slashcommands |
| 14:14.18 | Ellipsis | for config buttons |
| 14:14.21 | kenlyric | and yes, it's been pointed out that I'm strange |
| 14:14.36 | Wobin_ | well |
| 14:14.40 | Wobin_ | That's why I suggest Dash |
| 14:14.43 | Wobin_ | you can use it |
| 14:14.48 | Wobin_ | but it's out of the way for normal play |
| 14:15.12 | kenlyric | I've been playing with mods and now I'm not sure if I installed them all :/ |
| 14:15.15 | Wobin_ | I put all my damage meters/combat log stuff |
| 14:15.18 | Wobin_ | on Dash |
| 14:15.26 | Wobin_ | and just switch to it every time I want to look |
| 14:15.31 | kenlyric | can you put the actual window on dash? |
| 14:15.34 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 14:15.35 | kenlyric | for damage meter |
| 14:15.38 | Wobin_ | as long as it has a name |
| 14:15.43 | kenlyric | yummy |
| 14:16.01 | Wobin_ | I shamelessly stole Kyhax's mouse selection code for Xparky |
| 14:16.15 | Elsia | is there any good guidelines when to use RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE and PARTY_MEMBER_CHANGED events? I actually don't care for roster position just who is on the roster and if he has a pet |
| 14:16.51 | nevcairiel | use RRU in raids and PMC on partys? |
| 14:17.12 | kenlyric | is dash still being worked on? |
| 14:17.56 | Elsia | I thought PMC also fires for raid membership chances, that right? |
| 14:18.50 | nevcairiel | if it influences your own party, yes |
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| 14:19.05 | nevcairiel | if it happens in some remote party at the other end of the raid, no |
| 14:19.22 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: I take it from your silence that your problem is solved? |
| 14:20.00 | Xinhuan | note that RRU also fires everytime someone releases or accepts a rez (and if a pet rezzes or gets dismisses) |
| 14:20.25 | Xinhuan | so in alter valley, every player that releases to a GY, and then mass aoe rez triggers a lot of RRU's |
| 14:20.32 | Elsia | for pet resses that's good, for party members I don't need it but that's alright |
| 14:21.03 | Elsia | pet res/dismiss change GUID |
| 14:21.05 | Ellipsis | I sense another of Xinhuan's pet "bucketing are gud" speeches |
| 14:21.12 | Xinhuan | nah |
| 14:21.49 | Kurax | Elsia: Detail Windows please ^^ |
| 14:21.57 | Elsia | kurax: lemme check |
| 14:22.23 | Kurax | Elsia: and also some minor places like window titles |
| 14:22.25 | Elsia | Kurax: ah yes, coming up |
| 14:22.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: no, it just means i'm not getting an answer on ICQ. it's not MY problem after all, it's just my problem that one of my guildies has a problem |
| 14:22.33 | Elsia | kurax: can you quote me strings? |
| 14:22.58 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: yeah, ok, sure, "your friend" needs help because "he" can't set up his UI without me. <3 |
| 14:23.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: actually it's a she |
| 14:23.15 | Ellipsis | is she hot? |
| 14:23.20 | TP-Brendan | That explains everything. |
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| 14:23.48 | Kurax | Elsia: Like "Config Recount", "Overall Data", "Current Fight", "Reset Recount", "Do you wish to reset the data?" |
| 14:24.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: well, ex-GF. so yeah. i'd rather not be reminded of that tho D: |
| 14:24.26 | Elsia | kurax: ok thanks |
| 14:24.46 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: gimme her ICQ number, I'll speak with her directly ;) |
| 14:24.53 | TP-Brendan | lawl |
| 14:24.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: sure, if you learn german np |
| 14:25.04 | Ellipsis | I'm sure we'll get by |
| 14:25.16 | Ellipsis | although perhaps we should communicate through nude pix, just to be on the safe side |
| 14:25.30 | Chompers | i also want to communicate like this |
| 14:25.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis admit it you're using PotHoe illegally |
| 14:25.52 | CIA-9 | 03wobin * r63054 10Xparky/Xparky.lua: Xparky - Disable update during combat to prevent legoblock sizing issues. |
| 14:26.40 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: I would if I could |
| 14:27.23 | kenlyric | I need to get me some svn access so i can fix this shit |
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| 14:28.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: http://pastey.net/82933 |
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| 14:29.10 | nevcairiel | i've always wondered if licenses are just void if you use your arbitary internet nickname as license owner |
| 14:29.22 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i'm testing that theory |
| 14:29.35 | CIA-9 | 03wobin * r63055 10Xparky/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Xparky - Added a space in for mikma |
| 14:29.42 | sag_ich_nicht | empiric law |
| 14:29.46 | sag_ich_nicht | isn't that awesome? :> |
| 14:30.03 | nevcairiel | wtf is 0.49803921568627450980392156862745? |
| 14:30.03 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:30.11 | [Ammo] | a number |
| 14:30.17 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: 127 |
| 14:30.22 | sag_ich_nicht | or 128 |
| 14:30.28 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't remember atm |
| 14:31.07 | nevcairiel | lua> 1 - 128/255 |
| 14:31.07 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 0.49803921568627 |
| 14:32.19 | Shirik | there ya go nevcairiel :) |
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| 14:32.35 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r63056 10Recount/locales/Recount-zhCN.lua: |
| 14:32.35 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 14:32.35 | CIA-9 | - zhCN localization update |
| 14:32.43 | Shirik | Was that supposed to be 128/256? :P |
| 14:32.53 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:32.53 | Shirik | 14(0911:2811:3614) 14(1115nevcairiel14) i've always wondered if licenses are just void if you use your arbitary internet nickname as license owner |
| 14:33.02 | Shirik | I've been wondering that too, which is why I've been putting my full name in them |
| 14:33.17 | Shirik | hell I think even my address is in the wowi UI manager |
| 14:34.06 | Wobin_ | I reckon Sag's 4th requirement for the licence invalidates it already =P |
| 14:34.14 | sag_ich_nicht | no it doesn't. |
| 14:34.20 | Wobin_ | But I'll leave that up to Ellipsis |
| 14:34.21 | Shirik | I think it should hold, nevcairiel, assuming you can prove that is your nickname. The problem then becomes how do you prove that. It's no easy task. |
| 14:34.23 | sag_ich_nicht | either you give me the nude pics, or you don't use my software. |
| 14:34.25 | sag_ich_nicht | simple as that. |
| 14:34.30 | Shirik | haha |
| 14:34.45 | Shirik | You going to sue me for not giving you nude pics? |
| 14:34.49 | Ellipsis | fortunately I have no use for your software |
| 14:34.54 | Ellipsis | so my nudes are safe |
| 14:34.55 | Shirik | I'd love to see that article in the news |
| 14:35.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: no, you're not female |
| 14:35.09 | *** join/#wowace piggles (n=piggles@cpc8-seve16-0-0-cust421.popl.cable.ntl.com) |
| 14:35.18 | sag_ich_nicht | or are you |
| 14:35.26 | Wobin_ | Well |
| 14:35.30 | Shirik | "Woman sued for not issuing nude pictures" |
| 14:35.34 | Shirik | that would be awesome |
| 14:35.36 | Wobin_ | if he wasn't his name'd be 'Hirik' |
| 14:35.43 | Ellipsis | aww, Wobin_ beat me to the joke |
| 14:35.47 | Shirik | ~lart Wobin_ |
| 14:35.47 | purl | executes killall -TERM Wobin_ |
| 14:35.47 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 14:35.54 | Ellipsis | and Shirik beat me to the lart |
| 14:36.00 | Ellipsis | I must just be slow |
| 14:36.05 | Wobin_ | not your night tonight, eh? =) |
| 14:36.15 | Shirik | sorry, my fingers are flying right now |
| 14:36.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: i'll beat your ass :> |
| 14:36.19 | Ellipsis | well it doesn't help that it's 6:30am, I'm in pain, and I haven't slept yet |
| 14:36.20 | Shirik | fricking SDS is due in a few hours |
| 14:36.24 | Shirik | and it's only 20 pages so far >< |
| 14:36.29 | Shirik | 10 more classes to go |
| 14:36.33 | Shirik | almost there... |
| 14:36.40 | Wobin_ | grind faster! |
| 14:36.49 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: in the kinky way or the mean way? |
| 14:36.57 | TP-Brendan | Pain? I'm in a Windows Server 2008 / IIS7 class atm >< |
| 14:37.01 | Wobin_ | whichever way turns you on more |
| 14:37.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: both at the same time |
| 14:37.31 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:35] <+Shirik> that would be awesome <--i should upload the addon to curse/wowi/everywhere and see how long it takes |
| 14:37.53 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 14:38.07 | sag_ich_nicht | my license is invalidating itself as soon as you try to actually use it |
| 14:38.10 | kenlyric | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-time-paradox-cats.jpg |
| 14:38.22 | Wobin_ | PS Ellipsis. Your safe word is paradichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane |
| 14:38.45 | Ellipsis | I'll keep that in mind |
| 14:38.47 | Ellipsis | wait, wha? |
| 14:39.01 | sag_ich_nicht | because parrot is GPL'd iirc, and without parrot, it won't even load |
| 14:39.13 | sag_ich_nicht | or do anything useful |
| 14:40.01 | sag_ich_nicht | and i'd assume that my license would be incompatible with the HPL |
| 14:40.01 | sag_ich_nicht | *GPL |
| 14:40.47 | FinalX | TP-Brendan: that really does sound like pain, aye |
| 14:40.55 | Shirik | ack |
| 14:41.04 | sag_ich_nicht | which brings up the next point, assume you license your software in such a way that it'd be illegal for you to use it, could you sue yourself? |
| 14:41.10 | Shirik | just pasted this into my SDS: 14(0911:2811:3614) 14(1115nevcairiel14) i've always wondered if licenses are just void if you use your arbitary internet nickname as license owner |
| 14:41.18 | lanc0r | anyone knows when there will be a "working" version of tinytip ? |
| 14:41.22 | Wobin_ | Shirik: alas =P |
| 14:41.32 | Wobin_ | sag_ich_nicht: yes |
| 14:41.34 | sag_ich_nicht | ~define SDS |
| 14:41.34 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 14:41.36 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: In theory, yes |
| 14:41.38 | Wobin_ | but you'd have to represent both parties =P |
| 14:41.43 | Shirik | but what court would accept that case? |
| 14:41.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ~dict SDS |
| 14:41.48 | Shirik | uh |
| 14:41.55 | Wobin_ | Software Design Soemthingorother? |
| 14:42.09 | Shirik | ~wiki Software Design Specification |
| 14:42.15 | Shirik | eh |
| 14:42.17 | Shirik | well that's what it is |
| 14:42.33 | Kurax | So purl is another bot eh? |
| 14:42.38 | Wobin_ | another? |
| 14:42.42 | Shirik | purl is THE bot |
| 14:42.46 | Kurax | How many bots here |
| 14:42.49 | nevcairiel | If you sell a exclusive license to someone, you basically are not allowed to use your own software anymore |
| 14:43.01 | nevcairiel | (at least, german law) |
| 14:43.04 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Yeah that's true, but then you wouldn't be the one suing you |
| 14:43.12 | Shirik | it would be the company you issued the license to |
| 14:43.16 | nevcairiel | true |
| 14:43.34 | sag_ich_nicht | Kurax so i heard you need to lurk more and stop asking rethoric questions that you already have the answer to? |
| 14:43.40 | Shirik | but I would never issue an exclusive license to someone without first ensuring I get samples :D |
| 14:43.52 | Kurax | I'm a noob, true |
| 14:44.06 | nevcairiel | selling is the only way to remove your own rights to use the software .. i dont think a license applys to yourself |
| 14:44.08 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. and you try to point it out as much as possible. |
| 14:44.09 | sag_ich_nicht | stop that. |
| 14:44.31 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan * r63057 10FuBar_RoutesFu/RoutesFu.lua: FuBar_RoutesFu: Left Clicking on the FuBar button will now open the config for Routes or Cartographer_Routes, whichever you use. |
| 14:45.43 | Kurax | Lurk is not the best way to solve this problem, I dont wanna be The Lurker Below |
| 14:45.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis but you know, you could give me YOUR ICQ number and i'll give it to her so she can ask you questions about dogtag if she wants to :P |
| 14:45.55 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Kurax |
| 14:45.55 | purl | gives Kurax a good seeing to |
| 14:45.58 | sag_ich_nicht | bad pun. |
| 14:46.05 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: I could, but I'm going to bed now |
| 14:46.41 | Ellipsis | plus it's been so many years since I last used ICQ that I doubt I could even guess my password |
| 14:46.49 | Ellipsis | fortunately I still remember my # though, maybe I can recover it |
| 14:47.36 | sag_ich_nicht | (then comes the point where you try to get information about me from her and i'll have to explain that it should be ex-"facebook's 'it's complicated'" instead of ex-gf) |
| 14:47.38 | TP-Brendan | I used ICQ for Ultima Online ... I haven't used it since. |
| 14:47.47 | Ellipsis | lol |
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| 14:48.05 | Ellipsis | there you go again, the world really does revolve around you eh? |
| 14:48.09 | *** join/#wowace sb (n=sb@dslb-084-056-133-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 14:48.14 | sag_ich_nicht | no, i'm just trolling |
| 14:48.23 | Ellipsis | you're bad at it |
| 14:48.24 | sag_ich_nicht | i am always trolling |
| 14:48.31 | Ellipsis | you're always bad at it |
| 14:48.40 | Ellipsis | sometimes worse than others, but still |
| 14:48.41 | Pkekyo| | enough with the bold text nao |
| 14:48.45 | Pkekyo| | wth |
| 14:48.48 | sag_ich_nicht | or i'm pretending to be bad at it |
| 14:48.50 | Pkekyo| | ohnevermindme |
| 14:48.56 | sag_ich_nicht | so to say, a meta-troll |
| 14:49.10 | Ellipsis | yeah, well I meta-slept with your meta-mom |
| 14:49.13 | Fisker- | oh u sag_ich_nicht |
| 14:49.15 | Ellipsis | so there |
| 14:49.16 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro * r63058 10GatherMate_CartImport/GatherMate_CartImport.lua: GatherMate_CartImport: added a secondary check to ensur ewe only add items we have a translation for. |
| 14:49.34 | sag_ich_nicht | actually i like that term |
| 14:49.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Meta-Troll |
| 14:49.48 | Ellipsis | it's like Mega-Troll, but not as cool |
| 14:49.57 | sag_ich_nicht | except no. |
| 14:50.01 | Ellipsis | :) |
| 14:50.53 | Ellipsis | well, off to bed now |
| 14:50.57 | Ellipsis | good night saggy :) |
| 14:51.31 | Shirik | hmmmm |
| 14:51.36 | Shirik | which is better |
| 14:51.40 | Shirik | in a worst-case scenario |
| 14:51.48 | Shirik | throw an unhandled IOException that causes the application to exit, or segfault |
| 14:52.13 | Shirik | er, sorry, unhandled NullPointerException |
| 14:52.17 | Fisker- | i trolled your mother yesterday sag_ich_nicht |
| 14:52.22 | sag_ich_nicht | night Ellipsis |
| 14:52.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: segfault, because i hate applications that just close |
| 14:53.03 | sag_ich_nicht | i hate it when WoW does that, closing instant to desktop without an error message. |
| 14:53.03 | Shirik | I mean, in theory, the programmer shouldn't be stupid when he used my API and gave me a null pointer |
| 14:53.05 | sb | hm - why not handle that exception? :p |
| 14:53.20 | Shirik | sb: Because the error isn't in my code, it's in someone using my code |
| 14:53.23 | Shirik | this is an API |
| 14:53.41 | Shirik | and if they give me null I have the option of either throwing NullPointerException or just ignore it and keep going |
| 14:53.53 | Shirik | and the "keep going" goes into C code where I do some operations on it |
| 14:53.56 | Shirik | and I'm sure it will segfault |
| 14:53.58 | revv | Even simpler: Assert on receiving NULL. |
| 14:54.04 | sb | then just return some "your mom sucks" string? |
| 14:54.17 | Shirik | revv: Okay, but asserts can be turned off. That doesn't solve the problem for all cases |
| 14:54.36 | Shirik | p.s. Java's null is lowercase |
| 14:54.42 | Shirik | :) |
| 14:54.51 | revv | The developer will be using your API in a debug build initially before releasing. I suspect asserts won't be off at that point. |
| 14:55.01 | Shirik | So you're arguing assert then segfault |
| 14:55.14 | Shirik | (Assume they didn't catch the bug pre-release) |
| 14:55.32 | sag_ich_nicht | no. segfault. stupid programmers that don't do a debug build before release |
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| 14:56.22 | revv | Well, I guess I assume much. Unit testing should be done, especially with edge cases, and should encounter that. But, that's how things are done where i work, perhaps not everywhere. |
| 14:57.08 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r63059 10Recount/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:57.08 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 14:57.08 | CIA-9 | - More preparation for localization. Again, let me know if I missed something. |
| 14:57.21 | Elsia | Kurax: hopefully I got everything, let me know if there are still missed strings |
| 14:57.41 | Shirik | revv: Program testing can be a very effective way to prove the existence of bugs, but it is hopelessly but is hopelessly inadequate for showing their absence. |
| 14:57.47 | Kurax | Elsia: kk, I'll check |
| 14:57.53 | revv | Most of the third party libraries I work with do neither really. Though, I write libraries for developes to use for a living, and we simply propogate error codes (C++). Our codebase is quite old, so we've avoided exceptions still, unfortunately. |
| 14:58.01 | Shirik | (quote from Dijkstra) |
| 14:58.07 | revv | Hehe. |
| 14:58.18 | Shirik | I like to assume my programmers are stupid when writing APIs) |
| 14:58.21 | Shirik | and it's usually true |
| 14:58.38 | revv | Aye, all we can do is try & cover the cases we expect a user to hit, and hopefully some extremes. Unit testing is definitely not exhaustive. |
| 14:58.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: just wait until we have enough computing powr to bruteforce every possible memory state |
| 14:58.58 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: I've done calculations on such a thing |
| 14:59.02 | sag_ich_nicht | then you can brute force errorfreeness. |
| 14:59.21 | Shirik | Even at computing speeds 1000 times faster than what we have now |
| 14:59.35 | sag_ich_nicht | i know. WTB Quantum Computer |
| 14:59.43 | Shirik | heh |
| 15:00.00 | Elsia | back when dijkstra said this though they believed that programs of 100k lines of code would never work because the bug rate would be too large and too hard to find by testing. Hoare a couple of years ago said that they were basically wrong, bugs aren't as big an issue than they thought in the 70s |
| 15:00.15 | Shirik | true Elsia, but that statement is still very true |
| 15:00.17 | sag_ich_nicht | don't elitist-heh me, just say what you mean already before i send r9k for your head |
| 15:00.26 | Shirik | it is impossible to prove the non-existance of bugs |
| 15:00.31 | Shirik | well, prove with testing |
| 15:00.50 | sag_ich_nicht | lua> 1+1 |
| 15:00.50 | lua_bot | sag_ich_nicht: 2 |
| 15:00.51 | TP-Brendan | How would having a quantum computer help? |
| 15:01.03 | Elsia | there is a group in programming language that work on proof-carrying-code... i.e. code that proves its own correctness |
| 15:01.09 | Elsia | necula invented that whole field |
| 15:01.23 | sag_ich_nicht | i can prove, by testing, that the addition function for lua_bot is giving the correct output, provided that the input values are 1. |
| 15:01.24 | Shirik | This has nothing to do with testing |
| 15:01.32 | sag_ich_nicht | lol limited proof |
| 15:01.43 | TP-Brendan | Supposedly there is a quantum computer available in Canada now. |
| 15:01.48 | revv | Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to railroad that subject. |
| 15:01.58 | revv | err derail |
| 15:02.01 | Shirik | railroad |
| 15:02.02 | Shirik | heh |
| 15:02.27 | revv | =] |
| 15:02.27 | Shirik | ok seriously, have to get back to this sds >< |
| 15:02.27 | Elsia | railroad sounds more painful :D |
| 15:02.28 | Shirik | which resulted in probably an addiitonal 8 pages |
| 15:02.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:00] <TP-Brendan> How would having a quantum computer help? <--you could bruteforce the memory states of a normal computer because they are, theoretically, so much faster |
| 15:02.45 | TP-Brendan | It's not faster at all. |
| 15:02.48 | sag_ich_nicht | -normal +conventional |
| 15:02.50 | TP-Brendan | It's more "random" |
| 15:03.08 | revv | Well, in a C++/java world, as a developer, I'd prefer a thrown exception, so I could handle it, and work form there. |
| 15:03.37 | sag_ich_nicht | TP-Brendan: gaaah look no. i don't have the will nor the time to argue with a smartass that feels the need to show off that he knows so much more than everyone else when he does, in fact, not. just go away. |
| 15:03.39 | Shirik | TP-Brendan: That very fact implies that such a thing sag_ich_nicht is talking about would be incredibly much faster |
| 15:03.39 | revv | Assertions are nice, but only for developers working on code in a development environment. When it's out with users, well, a lot of bets are off. :) |
| 15:04.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: TP-Brendan is trying to be a smartass, just ignore him, there's no point |
| 15:04.14 | TP-Brendan | I'm not smarter then you guys, I've just researched quantum computing because it was interesting to me. :) |
| 15:04.33 | sag_ich_nicht | aka you read the wikipedia article |
| 15:04.43 | TP-Brendan | And a book my dad gave me. :) |
| 15:05.06 | TP-Brendan | o.O. Though it may have been written in the 70's. ;-) |
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| 15:05.20 | Shirik | headsigh? |
| 15:05.27 | Shirik | ahfiwojfa stop distracting me |
| 15:05.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: a synonym for facepalm |
| 15:05.42 | Shirik | public native Result sendFormula(Formula formula) !! |
| 15:05.49 | Shirik | not listening! |
| 15:05.55 | sag_ich_nicht | well, actually not a synonym |
| 15:06.06 | sag_ich_nicht | facepalm is when you cover your face with your palm |
| 15:06.31 | Shirik | 5 classes left! |
| 15:06.33 | sag_ich_nicht | headsigh is when you sigh and cover your head/forehead with your hand |
| 15:07.00 | Shirik | Oh sweet |
| 15:07.04 | Shirik | these two classes have no methods in them |
| 15:07.09 | Elsia | is the us ptr accessible or are all ptrs borked? |
| 15:07.16 | Arrowmaster | hellfire peninsula is so unforgiving when your level 60 with crap gear =( |
| 15:07.22 | Arrowmaster | so different from a year ago |
| 15:07.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster: i went there with level 58 in all greens. i never died till i hit 60. stop being weak. |
| 15:08.07 | Arrowmaster | class? |
| 15:08.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Retribution Paladin :P |
| 15:08.14 | TP-Brendan | Are you a protection warrior? :) |
| 15:08.21 | Arrowmaster | pff |
| 15:08.26 | Arrowmaster | im a rogue this time |
| 15:08.27 | sag_ich_nicht | you? :P |
| 15:08.34 | TP-Brendan | combat spec? |
| 15:08.35 | sag_ich_nicht | LERN2VANISH |
| 15:08.43 | Arrowmaster | shadowstep |
| 15:08.48 | sag_ich_nicht | even easier |
| 15:08.50 | Arrowmaster | combat was even worse |
| 15:08.54 | Elsia | HFP is kind of the hardest zone in outlands really, especially if you have to solo those dense areas with high respawn rates |
| 15:09.06 | sag_ich_nicht | actually funny thing Arrowmaster |
| 15:09.08 | nevcairiel | meh you pussys |
| 15:09.11 | Arrowmaster | and the multimob pulls |
| 15:09.15 | nevcairiel | hfp is easy |
| 15:09.18 | sag_ich_nicht | i went there with my shadowstep rogue too |
| 15:09.22 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i already said that |
| 15:09.32 | sag_ich_nicht | at level 58 |
| 15:09.54 | Elsia | i don't disagree, the rest is just a lot easier even |
| 15:09.55 | Arrowmaster | at lvl 58 combat spec the hellboars would almost kill me |
| 15:09.56 | sag_ich_nicht | i had quite a few blues and an epic offhand but still |
| 15:10.47 | Elsia | once you get your first few quest upgrades (and they come fast) it gets a hell of a lot easier.. I think my rogue doubled his hitpoints within 4 quests or so |
| 15:10.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster: protip, do the winterspring furbolg Q line, it's pre-BC but they changed it recently to add a new trinket as reward |
| 15:10.53 | nevcairiel | i soloed hfp on a green warlock |
| 15:10.53 | sag_ich_nicht | 55 AP trinket is ftw |
| 15:10.59 | nevcairiel | was so easy |
| 15:11.01 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: lol warlocks |
| 15:11.29 | nevcairiel | i had like 50 spelldamage so shush |
| 15:11.43 | Arrowmaster | i soloed hfp on a lvl 60 warlock that went into tbc as the best geared warlock on the server |
| 15:11.45 | [Ammo] | do the first few quests and you'll almost triple your AP |
| 15:11.47 | Elsia | easiest trick is though to get into ramparts for a run or two, the drops will help you cover deficiencies |
| 15:11.58 | [Ammo] | and yeah ramparts |
| 15:12.04 | [Ammo] | get the swords, sash, neck, bracers |
| 15:12.10 | [Ammo] | sword not swords |
| 15:12.15 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 15:12.15 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 15:12.20 | sag_ich_nicht | he's shadowstep |
| 15:12.46 | sag_ich_nicht | swords are bad yo |
| 15:12.50 | [Ammo] | swords are pro |
| 15:12.59 | Arrowmaster | im not using a fucking dagger for solo pve |
| 15:13.00 | Xinhuan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXPnH0C9UA |
| 15:13.01 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 15:13.15 | sag_ich_nicht | then you fail at ambush. |
| 15:13.19 | sag_ich_nicht | lurk more. |
| 15:13.30 | [Ammo] | cheapshot, pewpewpew, kidneyshot, pewpew mob death |
| 15:13.33 | [Ammo] | barely any hits on you |
| 15:13.35 | [Ammo] | = win |
| 15:13.45 | Xinhuan | the original version is just a lot of "count" and "counting" censored out for funny effect :D |
| 15:13.59 | sag_ich_nicht | i nearly oneshoted the HPF mobs with ambush with the green quest dagger |
| 15:14.13 | sag_ich_nicht | but they were always at or below 35% hp |
| 15:14.24 | sag_ich_nicht | (unless it didn't crit) |
| 15:14.38 | sag_ich_nicht | so it was easy going from there :P |
| 15:16.12 | sag_ich_nicht | preparation shadowstep ambush/backstab abusing the server lag before the mob turns around, then just wait for an energy tick and hit evisercate. the mob hits you like, twice. and is dead. |
| 15:16.35 | [Ammo] | and you can use that every 15 seconds ofcourse |
| 15:16.38 | [Ammo] | to grind |
| 15:17.21 | sag_ich_nicht | no, but then you just have to hit them with hemo twice instead and then eviscaterate, but you probably don't even need to do so because they're most likely dead by that point |
| 15:17.44 | Xinhuan | this explains much, this is what the tank hears when the priest says: |
| 15:17.48 | Xinhuan | AFK = Attack! Fight! Kill! = priest wants you to pull more mobs |
| 15:17.52 | Xinhuan | BIO = Bring In Others = priest wants you to pull more mobs |
| 15:17.58 | Xinhuan | BRB = Bored Really Bored .. Pull More Mobs |
| 15:18.02 | Xinhuan | OOM! = Onward, Onward More! = priest wants you to pull more mobs |
| 15:18.08 | Xinhuan | MANA = Move Ahead Need to Attack = priest wants you to pull more mobs |
| 15:18.36 | Xinhuan | Drinking = priest is so bored he wants a beer, pull mobs faster |
| 15:18.36 | Xinhuan | ADD = Accelerate Death Dealing = priest wants you to pull mobs faster |
| 15:18.36 | Shirik | rofl |
| 15:18.36 | FinalX | lol |
| 15:18.36 | Xinhuan | PAT = Proceed Attacking Targets = priest wants you to pull more mobs. |
| 15:18.36 | sag_ich_nicht | lmao |
| 15:18.36 | Xinhuan | HELP = Handling Everything Lets Proceed = priest wants you to pull more mobs |
| 15:18.38 | Xinhuan | WIPE = Was Instructed to Pull Everything = priest told you to pull every mob in sight, admits it was all their fault for not healing |
| 15:18.41 | Fisker- | I WANT MILLIONS Xinhuan |
| 15:18.42 | Fisker- | MILLIONS |
| 15:18.48 | Xinhuan | WTF! = Well Thought out Fight! = priest applauds your tactical genius ( the more ! the better) |
| 15:18.54 | Xinhuan | the moral of the story, it's always the priests fault =) |
| 15:18.56 | Xinhuan | :0 |
| 15:18.59 | Xinhuan | :> |
| 15:19.02 | FinalX | rofl |
| 15:19.21 | Shirik | why is it always a PRIEST too |
| 15:19.22 | Shirik | :< |
| 15:19.25 | Shirik | not healers in general |
| 15:19.26 | Shirik | just priests |
| 15:19.33 | Xinhuan | cos its stolen from priest forums :D |
| 15:19.39 | Shirik | oh heh |
| 15:19.44 | nevcairiel | and because priests are the dumbest healers /me runs |
| 15:19.51 | Shirik | ~kill nevcairiel |
| 15:19.52 | purl | ACTION shoots a ionized pseudoneutrino gun at nevcairiel |
| 15:19.53 | Grum | they are! |
| 15:19.55 | Shirik | Xinhuan: Got a link? |
| 15:19.55 | kenlyric | s/dumbest/bestest |
| 15:19.56 | Shirik | DIE |
| 15:19.56 | Arrowmaster | i need to get to lvl 61 so i can go afk in av |
| 15:19.57 | Shirik | go die now |
| 15:19.58 | Grum | all priests are nubs |
| 15:20.11 | sag_ich_nicht | priests are the best healers period. everyone who disagrees is a noob. |
| 15:20.17 | Shirik | ~hug sag_ich_nicht |
| 15:20.17 | purl | ACTION hugs sag_ich_nicht tightly until sag_ich_nicht turns slightly blue |
| 15:20.20 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4913983113&sid=1 |
| 15:20.30 | nevcairiel | see, i told you priests are dumb, they even think they're good |
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| 15:20.45 | sag_ich_nicht | also i hate disc/holy priests that go any deeper than mental agility. |
| 15:20.47 | Xinhuan | ONE SEC - Our newfound efficiency seeks extreme challenges ... tank should pull more mobs. |
| 15:21.25 | Grum | nothing wrong with priests .. unless you play one! |
| 15:21.26 | Xinhuan | CC = Consecrate! Consecrate! |
| 15:21.27 | Xinhuan | hahaha |
| 15:21.32 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 15:21.42 | kagaro_ | Grum: ^ |
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| 15:22.00 | Xinhuan | so this guy argues |
| 15:22.00 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:21] <Xinhuan> CC = Consecrate! Consecrate! <--true |
| 15:22.01 | Grum | CC stands for Chain Consecrate! |
| 15:22.02 | Xinhuan | OOM shoudl be |
| 15:22.04 | sag_ich_nicht | fuck CC |
| 15:22.04 | Xinhuan | should |
| 15:22.05 | Xinhuan | Out of Mobs |
| 15:22.12 | Xinhuan | and not Onward, Onward More! |
| 15:22.16 | sag_ich_nicht | we have consecration! |
| 15:22.47 | Xinhuan | WIPE = Was Instructed to Pull Everything <-- my favourite |
| 15:22.47 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:20] <nevcairiel> see, i told you priests are dumb, they even think they're good <--i don't even have a priest you moron |
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| 15:23.24 | Grum | shadowpriest often call themselves warlocks |
| 15:23.25 | kagaro_ | best CC is more dps |
| 15:23.46 | sag_ich_nicht | no, best CC is a pally tank |
| 15:23.48 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: I'm 20/41 :) |
| 15:23.53 | Shirik | screw disc |
| 15:23.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: CoH? |
| 15:24.01 | Shirik | yah |
| 15:24.03 | Grum | Shirik: CoH? |
| 15:24.03 | sag_ich_nicht | good Shirik |
| 15:24.05 | Grum | pfew :D |
| 15:24.08 | Shirik | Except right now I think I'm pvp specced |
| 15:24.12 | Shirik | but during raids I'm coh specced |
| 15:24.19 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 15:24.20 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (42/19/0). 10601 HP; 10544 Mana; 235 mana regen; 98 mp5; 438 +spell dmg; 1168 +heal; 5.06% dodge; 275 resilience; 24 arcane resist;[[ TBR: 1007 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Wed Feb 27 10:31:29 2008 EST ]] |
| 15:24.20 | sag_ich_nicht | CoH is FTW |
| 15:24.24 | Shirik | yeah that's definitely my pvp spec |
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| 15:24.35 | nevcairiel | CoH is the only reason we take priests |
| 15:24.35 | nevcairiel | basically |
| 15:24.50 | Grum | and for shield! |
| 15:24.56 | sag_ich_nicht | actually i want a deep disc priest in our raid :( |
| 15:25.04 | Shirik | for what? |
| 15:25.07 | Shirik | power infusion? |
| 15:25.10 | sag_ich_nicht | power infusion |
| 15:25.11 | Momro | tanking? 8-) |
| 15:25.15 | Grum | PI sucks |
| 15:25.17 | Shirik | it's getting nerfed kinda hard |
| 15:25.20 | kagaro_ | I only get taken on raids to debuff for the locks |
| 15:25.20 | Grum | and i mean .. SUCKS |
| 15:25.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: no they changed it again |
| 15:25.28 | kagaro_ | !c us ysera moonfann |
| 15:25.31 | WoWLuaircBot | kagaro_: Moonfann, Level 70 Draenei Priest (14/0/47). 6931 HP; 8730 Mana; 160 mana regen; 52 mp5; 168 spell crit; 69 spell hit; 873 +spell dmg/heal; 233 frost dmg (1106); 284 shadow dmg (1157); 5.10% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1261 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yw6wx4 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/38lh7j ][ Updated: Wed Feb 27 10:35:03 2008 EST ]] |
| 15:25.38 | Funkeh` | they boosted I |
| 15:25.42 | Funkeh` | it |
| 15:26.06 | Funkeh` | extra damage and reduced casting time iirc |
| 15:26.21 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 15:26.32 | sag_ich_nicht | it's changed to +haste and -manacost. |
| 15:26.41 | TP-Brendan | anyone have a link to the new badge items in 2.4? |
| 15:26.52 | Kivin | mmo-champion.com |
| 15:26.55 | TP-Brendan | tks |
| 15:27.12 | sag_ich_nicht | pretty much evening each other out, so you get more spells off in the same time for about the same cost you'd normally have in that time |
| 15:27.29 | Xinhuan | PI has a casting time?? |
| 15:27.30 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: that is okish |
| 15:27.34 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: no |
| 15:27.35 | Grum | PI was instant |
| 15:27.44 | Xinhuan | [2/27 23:28:03] <@Funkeh`> extra damage and reduced casting time iirc |
| 15:27.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: he means +spellhaste |
| 15:27.58 | Stanzilla | yeah..the target gets that |
| 15:28.00 | break19 | meh. ok, after pulling my hair out attempting to update WeaponRebuff, and shaking my head in disgust at the piss poor coding practices.. I've decided to start a new, functionally similar, but a bit broader-usage, project: BuffBench.. my intent is to have up to 5 custom, moveable, scalable buttons.. as long as you have the buff you've assigned to the buttons, you'll see nothing.. when the buff fades, the button becomes shown...i intend to |
| 15:28.00 | sag_ich_nicht | and he's wrong |
| 15:28.01 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 15:28.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: it's now +spellhaste and -manacost for the time of the buff |
| 15:28.22 | Xinhuan | yeah i get it |
| 15:29.01 | sag_ich_nicht | 0/21/40 WLs probably shitting them self wanting it badly |
| 15:29.21 | sag_ich_nicht | *themself |
| 15:30.07 | Tem | sag_ich_nicht, still sounds like a huge nerf imo |
| 15:30.15 | Grum | break19: your line got terminated after `...i intend to` |
| 15:30.20 | Grum | also, why jsut 5 ? |
| 15:30.38 | break19 | i intend to support weapon buffs -and- standard buffs.. anything you can target on yourself, or your main/offhand.. |
| 15:31.05 | Tem | and no class has more than 3 self or targetable buffs? |
| 15:31.35 | break19 | Grum: i'm designing it to be for those certain buffs you want on yourself at all time, and forget to refresh when they fade... |
| 15:31.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Tem I give you: THE SHAMAN. |
| 15:31.45 | sag_ich_nicht | it's an indirect buff of course |
| 15:31.46 | Grum | warlock |
| 15:31.47 | sag_ich_nicht | but still |
| 15:31.49 | Tem | sag_ich_nicht, I was being sarcastic |
| 15:31.51 | sag_ich_nicht | also i could say paladins |
| 15:32.01 | Grum | priest |
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| 15:32.22 | Xinhuan | what's the purpose break19? |
| 15:32.40 | Tem | ugh, where does the game hide the class and race icons? |
| 15:32.58 | Tem | (please tell me they aren't all in one texture and texcoorded out) |
| 15:33.06 | break19 | Xinhuan: make self-buffing idiot-proof.. since i am one. :) |
| 15:33.15 | Xinhuan | there's some addon bars that have a "buff highlighting feature" on them, so there borders "glow green" if the buff is active |
| 15:33.18 | Xinhuan | on the target |
| 15:33.58 | Xinhuan | for eg, i'm a mage, if i target someone with AI on him, my AI spell button has a green 'equipped' border |
| 15:34.11 | break19 | Xinhuan: different idea. |
| 15:34.17 | Xinhuan | indeed |
| 15:34.37 | Xinhuan | but the logic can be applied on himself - make the spellbutton glow green if it isn't on yourself |
| 15:34.46 | Xinhuan | on yourself* |
| 15:35.06 | break19 | plus, not everyone has that actionbar mod.. and I want the ability to have something in my face if I'm missing something I've chosen |
| 15:35.09 | Xinhuan | then you won't exactly need extra buttons on the screen |
| 15:35.25 | break19 | the buttons will only be there when it needs to be recast |
| 15:35.33 | Grum | i still believe a 'cooldown-bar' is a good idea :D |
| 15:35.48 | Xinhuan | are you a pally? ;p |
| 15:36.00 | break19 | Xinhuan: no, but I play one in wow. heh |
| 15:36.05 | break19 | but I'm also a prot war |
| 15:36.10 | break19 | and a hunter |
| 15:36.13 | break19 | lol |
| 15:37.00 | sag_ich_nicht | eh |
| 15:37.02 | sag_ich_nicht | *meh |
| 15:37.21 | sag_ich_nicht | you know what's the worst situation, ever? having to configure buffs with 5 paladins |
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| 15:37.39 | sag_ich_nicht | as in, truely optimally doing so, not close-to-optimal |
| 15:37.55 | Xinhuan | go write an algorithm to do it optimally :) |
| 15:37.58 | sag_ich_nicht | 6 paladins is fine, 4 is fine, 3 is a bit tricky, 2 is a dick, but 5 is the worst |
| 15:38.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: i could but i cba way too much work |
| 15:38.37 | break19 | like, for my war, i'd only care to have 1 buff.. my weapon buff(stone) (for easy reapplication), for my hunter, I just wouldn't use it... my pally, I'd put righteous fury, and blessing of sanctuary, and my weapon buff. (stone) |
| 15:38.40 | Xinhuan | why is 5 tricky? |
| 15:39.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: configuring singlebuffs ideal, of course if it's 5 healdins there aren't many options, but considering 3 healadins 1 prot paladin and a retribution paladin |
| 15:39.39 | pastamancer | ckknight: example posted that I think necesitates an end |
| 15:39.44 | nevcairiel | a raid with 5 healadins fails by definition :P |
| 15:39.49 | Higdur | sag_ich_nicht: agree |
| 15:39.50 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 15:40.03 | Xinhuan | i'm not understanding it, why is configuring pallypower for 5 pallies tricky? |
| 15:40.07 | Higdur | nevcairiel: also agree :) |
| 15:40.09 | Xinhuan | over 4 or6 |
| 15:40.20 | Xinhuan | am i missing something? |
| 15:40.27 | break19 | Xinhuan: another thing about it is.. you may be trying to cut down on the number of shown action buttons, and this addon would allow you to simply move your "self-only" buffs to it. :) |
| 15:40.36 | Grum | <sag_ich_nicht> you know what's the worst situation, ever? having to configure buffs with 5 paladins <-- pallypower? |
| 15:40.41 | Josh_Borke | break19: that's what clique is for :-D |
| 15:40.45 | Higdur | wtb single buff support for pallypower |
| 15:40.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: and optimal configuration is not possible with the current version of pallypowr, i have a hacked version that allows me to do it but it's still a mindfuck |
| 15:40.53 | Grum | it has that afaik Higdur |
| 15:40.53 | nevcairiel | just let the prot buff sanct on everyone, and the 4 remaining can split up the buffs that everyone has :P |
| 15:40.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Higdur: it has single buff support you noob |
| 15:41.09 | Xinhuan | i have an idea, lets write a better version of PP! |
| 15:41.10 | break19 | Josh_Borke: but clique doesnt remind you when the buff is gone.. which is the main purpose of mine. heh |
| 15:41.14 | Higdur | t does_ oh well, haven't looked closely for a while :) |
| 15:41.20 | CIA-9 | 03ananhaid * r63060 10FuBar_FactionsFu/ (FuBar_FactionsFu.toc Locales/FuBar_FactionsFu.zhCN.lua): |
| 15:41.20 | CIA-9 | FuBar_FactionsFu |
| 15:41.20 | CIA-9 | - Add zhCN Locale. |
| 15:41.25 | Higdur | I don't raid that often on my alt |
| 15:41.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Higdur: click the name of a person under their class listing and you can assign singlebuffs |
| 15:41.31 | Grum | i just use XRS to check for buffs |
| 15:41.38 | Higdur | sag_ich_nicht: that's nice, thanks |
| 15:41.38 | Xinhuan | and lets call it PallyPowerPlus |
| 15:41.42 | Xinhuan | just cos it sounds cool |
| 15:41.57 | sag_ich_nicht | so you have Imp. BoW & BoK available from the healadins, BoK and BoSanc from the prot paladin and IMp. BoM from the ret paladin |
| 15:41.59 | Higdur | last I checked when my alt just reached 70 it couldn't :) |
| 15:42.25 | kenlyric | break19 rebuffing mod? I want to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 15:42.29 | Grum | xin: call it pewpewpew? |
| 15:42.33 | kenlyric | though SSR does most of what I want |
| 15:42.35 | nevcairiel | so prot buffs Sanc, ret BoM, healadins BoW/BoK/BoL |
| 15:42.45 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: not as easy as that, sorry buddy |
| 15:42.47 | Josh_Borke | GIEF SALV! |
| 15:42.55 | kenlyric | take away salv! |
| 15:43.05 | Higdur | I tend to fail to rebuff sanc on myself |
| 15:43.05 | sag_ich_nicht | you have to do a lot of single buffs for optimal configuration |
| 15:43.07 | break19 | kenlyric: it's still in the planning stages at the moment.. and I have no newsletter. heh |
| 15:43.25 | kenlyric | there is no greater pain than having two paladins and getting saddled with Salv because of shadow priests. |
| 15:43.35 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: if you really need that 0.5% in raid performance, you should quit :P |
| 15:43.49 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: this is about principle, it's easy to do in theory |
| 15:43.52 | break19 | l2overcome |
| 15:43.59 | kenlyric | we shall overcome |
| 15:45.34 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r63061 10Recount/locales/Recount-zhCN.lua: |
| 15:45.34 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 15:45.34 | CIA-9 | - zhCN localization update |
| 15:45.35 | sag_ich_nicht | e.g. the ret paladin has to buff the paladins with Greater BoS but has to buff himself with Imp. BoM, then the prot paladin has to compensate for that with a single BoS while buffing greater BoSanct, 1 healadin buffs imp. BoW one BoK one greater BoL, the ret pally will also give the prot pally Imp. BoM since he the prot pally has no use for BoSalv |
| 15:46.17 | sag_ich_nicht | and because of the stupid way pallypower is coded, you can't even asign it that way unless the person asigning it uses the hack'd version i have(only the person asigning needs it tho :P) |
| 15:46.35 | sag_ich_nicht | (since it's a frontend not a backend issue) |
| 15:47.01 | Josh_Borke | cry me a river |
| 15:47.09 | Xinhuan | why don't you just assign each pally ONE greater blessing, and all of them should automatically know their "non-greater blessing assignments" |
| 15:47.34 | Xinhuan | i think its pretty obvious the pally with imp BoM gives it to himself and to the prot tank? |
| 15:47.37 | Xinhuan | does that need assignment? |
| 15:47.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: i do that, but there is no automation for assignment. |
| 15:47.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: PP is compensating for stupidity and oversights |
| 15:47.58 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: ebay better paladins |
| 15:47.59 | Xinhuan | but why is there such a need to assign? the ret pally should KNOW this |
| 15:48.03 | Elsia | kurax: cool, thanks, found any omissions? |
| 15:48.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: I AM THE RET PALLY |
| 15:48.13 | sag_ich_nicht | i do the fucking assigning |
| 15:48.15 | Josh_Borke | sag_ich_nicht: cry me a river |
| 15:48.17 | Grum | LOL YOU ARE A RET PALADIN? |
| 15:48.19 | sag_ich_nicht | because everyone else is too dumb |
| 15:48.20 | Grum | HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAA |
| 15:48.22 | sag_ich_nicht | and now i have to leave |
| 15:48.30 | Xinhuan | right so the pally with Imp kings, knows he has to buff the whole raid with kings since he's the only one with it |
| 15:48.34 | Kurax | Elsia: Yeah, there still some missing ones |
| 15:48.35 | Xinhuan | again, what's there to assign? |
| 15:48.36 | dre^ | I'm sure glad totems aren't this hard ;) |
| 15:48.41 | Josh_Borke | there's an imp kings? o.O |
| 15:48.46 | Xinhuan | well kings |
| 15:48.48 | Elsia | kurax: can you quote me the strings? |
| 15:48.55 | Xinhuan | remove the "imp" out of there |
| 15:48.59 | Kurax | Elsia: collecting, sec |
| 15:49.02 | Elsia | thanks |
| 15:49.47 | Josh_Borke | ~lart xinhuan |
| 15:49.47 | purl | slaps xinhuan upside the head with a wet fish |
| 15:49.51 | Josh_Borke | thanks for getting my hopes up |
| 15:50.08 | FtH|Daemona | "We should talk about this in a safe place" --- "How about my car?" |
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| 16:04.32 | Arrowmaster | so i just found a good reason for AceAddon-3.0 to support OnEnable(first) |
| 16:04.41 | nevcairiel | whats that? |
| 16:04.47 | Arrowmaster | OnEmbedEnable |
| 16:05.08 | nevcairiel | i dont get it |
| 16:05.46 | Xinhuan | all the "first" stuff should be placed in OnInit() |
| 16:06.00 | Arrowmaster | not as simple as just a 'local first = true' before the func and doing 'if first then first = nil ...' |
| 16:06.02 | nevcairiel | you can track the first in your self object if you really have stuff depending on it |
| 16:06.08 | Xinhuan | including the embed's OnInit() |
| 16:06.35 | nevcairiel | most of the time i dont use first, but do stuff like "if not self.frame then self.frame = CreateFrame .." |
| 16:06.46 | nevcairiel | which is essentially the same |
| 16:06.54 | nevcairiel | and works for the majority of the cases |
| 16:07.44 | nevcairiel | anyway, if AceAddon would need to track first, it would be some form of table, if your embed does it, its a table too |
| 16:07.50 | nevcairiel | so we voted for your embed to do it |
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| 16:08.06 | nevcairiel | if there is no way to check if the initial config ran already |
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| 16:13.36 | Xinhuan | i would rather just create that said frame in OnInit, and not in OnEnable, meaning if you do it onEnable() you have to do that "first" check everytime |
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| 16:14.15 | [Ammo] | I'd rather create the frame when you need it |
| 16:14.17 | [Ammo] | to speed up loading |
| 16:14.26 | Xinhuan | and if you didn't want to enable said addon on login, you should have just disabled it on login, or moved the lod parts into a lod module, and/or use addonloader |
| 16:15.06 | Xinhuan | i don't see the point of loading 10% of the addon, and delaying 90% of it to later. why not delay all 100% of it to later using addonloader? |
| 16:15.24 | Xinhuan | or have the 10% in a stub, and 90% in various lod modules |
| 16:15.27 | [Ammo] | if delaying 100% is possible yeah |
| 16:15.40 | Xinhuan | the 10% stub, 90% lod modules is the bigwigs approach |
| 16:15.40 | [Ammo] | but in the case of creating frames, create it when needed |
| 16:15.42 | Arrowmaster | this usage is actually for scheduling and :Show()'ing a frame |
| 16:16.37 | Funkeh` | I prefer [Ammo] 's approach also, only create frame when you need them |
| 16:16.50 | Funkeh` | e.g. in bigwigs, proximity |
| 16:16.52 | Arrowmaster | but still when trying to make a frameworkless lib that can be used as a mixin for ace2, rock, and ace3 this is a place where a workaround has to be done just to support ace3 |
| 16:17.17 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: tough cookies |
| 16:17.25 | Xinhuan | just create it onInit heh |
| 16:17.37 | Arrowmaster | its not a frame to create |
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| 16:17.50 | Xinhuan | this lib is LoD right? |
| 16:17.57 | Xinhuan | which means the lib only loads when needed? |
| 16:18.02 | Arrowmaster | .... |
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| 16:18.10 | Arrowmaster | its FBP-3 |
| 16:18.25 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63062 10NRT/NRT.lua: NRT: Update the guild member list on each attendance check. |
| 16:18.40 | Xinhuan | go with nev's approach then |
| 16:19.04 | Xinhuan | self.frame = self.frame or CreateFrame() |
| 16:19.27 | Arrowmaster | wait a sec |
| 16:20.33 | Josh_Borke | wait a tick |
| 16:21.42 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r63063 10Prat/ (15 files in 5 dirs): Prat: Restructure to allow Prat_FuBar and Prat_Waterfall to be optional when Prat is unpacked. (Drycode) |
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| 16:23.55 | Arrowmaster | http://ace.pastey.net/83013 lines 1569-1642 |
| 16:24.05 | syeren | sylvanaar: ping |
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| 16:24.13 | Arrowmaster | 1602 is the actually usage of first |
| 16:24.13 | sylvanaar | syeren yes? |
| 16:24.28 | syeren | What does "Dry Code" actually mean :P? |
| 16:24.33 | syeren | I see the term used a lot :p |
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| 16:24.38 | [Ammo] | means it wasn't tested |
| 16:24.40 | [Ammo] | just coded and committed |
| 16:24.45 | syeren | Ah, okay, thank you :) |
| 16:24.48 | [Ammo] | often not even syntax checked :) |
| 16:24.54 | Arrowmaster | can deffently work around this just need to figure out the best way |
| 16:24.55 | syeren | Hehe. |
| 16:25.04 | Elsia | syntax checks are for the weak :P |
| 16:26.00 | sylvanaar | its called syl doesnt want to lose his work on accident |
| 16:26.08 | CIA-9 | 03next96 * r63064 10Xparky/Locale/ko_KR.lua: |
| 16:26.08 | CIA-9 | Xparky : |
| 16:26.08 | CIA-9 | - Update locale koKR |
| 16:26.23 | Xinhuan | how much of that is original non-modified code? |
| 16:26.35 | Arrowmaster | lots |
| 16:27.06 | Arrowmaster | i riped out all the precondition crap though |
| 16:27.10 | Xinhuan | you see line 1602? |
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| 16:27.17 | Xinhuan | just change that to |
| 16:27.26 | Xinhuan | if not first or not self.first then |
| 16:27.39 | Arrowmaster | not doing that |
| 16:27.50 | Xinhuan | and in line 1583, insert something there to add (embed).first = true |
| 16:27.53 | CIA-9 | 03next96 * r63065 10Xparky/Locale/ko_KR.lua: |
| 16:27.53 | CIA-9 | Xparky : |
| 16:27.53 | CIA-9 | - Update locale koKR |
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| 16:28.26 | Arrowmaster | going to do a local first = true and made the OnUpdate set it to nil |
| 16:28.26 | sylvanaar | not one syntak error tyvm ;) |
| 16:28.33 | sylvanaar | lol except that one |
| 16:28.49 | Xinhuan | there's multiple possible embeds here |
| 16:28.54 | Xinhuan | so you need 1 variable per embed |
| 16:28.55 | Arrowmaster | since really this is just doing schuduling for before the first frame is drawn |
| 16:29.00 | Arrowmaster | not for this |
| 16:29.19 | Xinhuan | it is, you can have 20 fubar plugins |
| 16:29.30 | Xinhuan | all waiting to check if they are supposed to be shown during their OnEnable |
| 16:29.50 | Arrowmaster | look at the code closely, theres no need to do it for every addon that loads after the first frame is drawn |
| 16:30.24 | Xinhuan | but it doesn't loop over every addon |
| 16:31.10 | Xinhuan | players can enable/disable fubar plugins while playing |
| 16:31.26 | Xinhuan | some fubar plugins are lod, in fact almost all fubar plugins are lod |
| 16:31.32 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 16:31.45 | Arrowmaster | and this is just a 1 frame delay |
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| 16:32.35 | Arrowmaster | so this doesnt have to be 100% accurate |
| 16:34.05 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:48] <Xinhuan> again, what's there to assign? <--every heal paladin has BoK and Imp. BoW |
| 16:34.13 | sag_ich_nicht | so you have to asign who does what |
| 16:34.45 | sag_ich_nicht | and then single blessings get in that must be assigned too, since it's not always obvious who needs what single blessing |
| 16:35.14 | Xinhuan | so, have you sent pp authors a patch file? |
| 16:36.35 | CIA-9 | 03next96 * r63066 10Xparky/Locale/ko_KR.lua: |
| 16:36.35 | CIA-9 | Xparky : |
| 16:36.36 | CIA-9 | - Update locale koKR |
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| 16:38.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: for what? so that their retarded "if greater blessing is assigned for this class then deny selection of single blessing of the same kind for all of this class on the interface side" code is killed? no. they don't want it since they are lazy and so am i, my patch just completely kills the anti-same blessing code, so you could assign the same greater blessing twice for the same class, but since i'm not retarded i nev |
| 16:38.50 | Xinhuan | (then why are you complaining?) |
| 16:38.55 | TP-Brendan | It must suck to be you. |
| 16:39.32 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe, i don't know, i don't do selfpity |
| 16:40.02 | sag_ich_nicht | i was complaining about the fact that it is a bitch to think up the optimal blessing asignment for 25 man Xinhuan :P |
| 16:40.19 | TP-Brendan | You think too much! |
| 16:40.23 | Xinhuan | so, a minigame every raid to keep you alert :) |
| 16:41.08 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not as much of a minigame as something pointless siince you could theoretically write an algorythm to solve it for every possible class/spec combination :P |
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| 16:41.25 | sag_ich_nicht | -i |
| 16:41.50 | sag_ich_nicht | it wastes time that could be spent clearing trash :P |
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| 16:49.30 | sb | [17:34:05] <sag_ich_nicht> [16:48] <Xinhuan> again, what's there to assign? <--every heal paladin has BoK and Imp. BoW <-- not true |
| 16:49.43 | nevcairiel | everyone should or they suck |
| 16:49.53 | cncfanatics | hello all |
| 16:50.09 | pastamancer | sb: they can get the hell out of my raid if they don't :p |
| 16:50.20 | sb | why does every pally need imp. bow? |
| 16:50.22 | cncfanatics | why would every paladin need to have it if one is enough ? |
| 16:50.31 | sb | yup cncfanatics |
| 16:50.32 | cncfanatics | rather invest the points in more healing power if some other pally's got it already |
| 16:50.34 | sb | thats my point :p |
| 16:50.50 | FinalX | same with bok... |
| 16:50.54 | cncfanatics | yep |
| 16:51.01 | FinalX | my tankadin didnt have bok for a while due to being with a healadin that had bok :P |
| 16:51.12 | cncfanatics | should be reverse :p |
| 16:51.17 | cncfanatics | the healadin shouldn't waste 11 points |
| 16:51.24 | cncfanatics | you waste 1 instead :op |
| 16:53.16 | FinalX | i dont use bok as a tankadin unless i'm fighting casters :p |
| 16:53.46 | CIA-9 | 03kilrogg * r63067 10FuBar_HonorFu/ (HonorFu.lua HonorFuLocale-enUS.lua): |
| 16:53.46 | CIA-9 | FuBar_HonorFu: |
| 16:53.46 | CIA-9 | - added switch to display total honor (current + today's) in FuBar |
| 16:55.41 | pastamancer | ~framexml |
| 16:55.42 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdnaddons.com/ |
| 16:56.00 | pastamancer | I should really bookmark that |
| 16:56.51 | Xinhuan | should make all my bookmarks on purl |
| 16:56.53 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 16:57.04 | Xinhuan | then i just type what i want and dbl click! |
| 16:57.12 | pastamancer | ~xinhuan's_pr0n |
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| 16:57.27 | pastamancer | :( |
| 16:57.36 | Xinhuan | u want p0rn? ok - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXPnH0C9UA |
| 16:57.41 | pastamancer | lol |
| 16:57.47 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 16:57.58 | Xinhuan | its a scene from sasame street :) |
| 16:58.00 | Xinhuan | go watch it |
| 16:58.57 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
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| 16:59.11 | Arrowmaster | i think i found some leftover code in FBP-3 from FBP-2 |
| 17:00.38 | Shirik | lmao Xinhuan |
| 17:00.56 | Xinhuan | i think its brilliant! |
| 17:01.23 | Shirik | omg |
| 17:01.25 | Shirik | When I'm alone... |
| 17:01.27 | Shirik | *headdesk* |
| 17:01.57 | nevcairiel | haha yeha |
| 17:02.30 | nevcairiel | its even the original text, just one word exchanged |
| 17:02.35 | nevcairiel | and beeped :P |
| 17:02.59 | Xinhuan | yeah there's youtube links after the end that jumps you to the actual non-modified version |
| 17:03.29 | nevcairiel | eu ptr still down .. zzz |
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| 17:08.14 | dieck_ | hm. is wowace.com down, or is it just my connection that refuses to connect? |
| 17:09.11 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r63068 10Recount/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:09.11 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 17:09.11 | CIA-9 | - And another wave of localization preparation. Thanks to Kurax for helping to identify missing strings. |
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| 17:10.55 | Funkeh` | why are you making recount 1 and 2 |
| 17:11.06 | Funkeh` | why don't you just decide between one and both work on it |
| 17:11.32 | Funkeh` | oh, nvm, that wasn't the branch version |
| 17:11.39 | [SW]Dodge | lol |
| 17:12.07 | Elsia | I'm actually also updating the branched recount 1, mostly because the code party I tough there aren't even in recount 2 yet, so that can be merged regardless |
| 17:12.56 | Elsia | and branch recount 1 actually works, whereas recount2 is very much in early stages |
| 17:13.13 | Elsia | touch |
| 17:13.34 | Peragor | the wowace.com wiki and forums are down |
| 17:14.41 | Arrowmaster | http://ace.pastey.net/83030 ok another bug squashed, still need to add an ace3 config style though |
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| 17:15.38 | Funkeh` | just wait for 2. and use that? |
| 17:15.42 | Funkeh` | 2.4 |
| 17:15.58 | Funkeh` | would be better than stuffing a config into a lib |
| 17:16.40 | Arrowmaster | not a config, a config style handler |
| 17:17.12 | Arrowmaster | see line 1510 |
| 17:17.26 | Arrowmaster | which is unmodified from the orignal lib |
| 17:20.16 | Elsia | I like the idea, always thought the user should decide which config representation they like |
| 17:20.48 | Arrowmaster | all that in the :OpenMenu() was originally there |
| 17:21.07 | Arrowmaster | but i dont think the Dewdrop-2.0 part is finished |
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| 17:21.50 | Elsia | is dewdrop libstubbed yet? |
| 17:22.04 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:23.15 | ulic | is wowace.com down or is it just me? |
| 17:23.28 | Elsia | it's you, but wowace is down ;) |
| 17:23.36 | ulic | ok, good to know :) |
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| 17:25.35 | Yssaril | ulic: if you jsut want to downlaod somehting files.wowace.com still works (different server) |
| 17:27.57 | kergoth | hmm, parrot never did get the ability to show incoming pet damage |
| 17:28.05 | xyu | my server is going crazy. |
| 17:28.08 | ulic | nah, I know about all that, wanted to poke around on forums and wiki. |
| 17:28.37 | Elsia | kergoth: yeah noticed that too |
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| 17:31.53 | Yssaril | WobWork: ping |
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| 17:42.17 | Azurewrath | mhm.. wowace.com down? |
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| 17:42.29 | ulic | yep |
| 17:42.58 | ulic | but not files.wowace.com, or svn/dev.wowace.com |
| 17:43.12 | pastamancer | working on it |
| 17:43.22 | Azurewrath | but http://www.wowace.com/wau2/updates/WowAceUpdater2.jnlp is ;) |
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| 17:44.30 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r63069 10Prat/Prat_FuBar/Prat_FuBar.toc: Prat: Add metadata so we can be LoD and still get loaded by FuBar |
| 17:46.09 | Azurewrath | bah, i hate the search gui of vista.. |
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| 17:47.13 | xyu | me too, and it only searches cached items by default |
| 17:47.15 | xyu | which is lame |
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| 17:48.28 | sylvanaar | anyone notice the game client shows a dependency like " , Foo" if you say RequiredDeps: Foo |
| 17:48.45 | Azurewrath | deactivating the indexing service is the first thing i do after installing windows... |
| 17:50.42 | Elsia | syl: oh noes, that means we have to force authors to not RequiredDeps: Ace3! |
| 17:52.50 | Azurewrath | sylvanaar: jep, noticed that.. but it seems to be display-only |
| 17:53.02 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 17:53.28 | sylvanaar | and you cant do anything about it, RequiredDeps:Foo still makes " , Foo" |
| 17:53.33 | Funkeh` | ulic, ping |
| 17:53.34 | sb | kagaro: kgPanels\kgPanels.lua:248: attempt to call method 'Fetch' (a nil value) |
| 17:53.44 | ulic | pong |
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| 17:54.00 | Funkeh` | ulic, have you not got my pm on wowace I sent possibly over a week ago? |
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| 17:54.12 | NeoTron | vhaarr: had any chance to read my NRT feedback post? |
| 17:54.18 | NeoTron | CT_RT is fucking retarded |
| 17:54.22 | wereHamster | does anyone check http://files.wowace.com/ERRORS.txt from time to time and fix the errors? |
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| 17:54.29 | NeoTron | seems to completely randomly pick who was present for a kill |
| 17:54.39 | ulic | hmm, it's possible. I have noticed one. But ocassionally I overlook the PMs |
| 17:54.55 | Funkeh` | ulic, then read your mail where you get pm alerts? :) |
| 17:55.24 | ulic | hehe, that make be helpful too. |
| 17:55.28 | Funkeh` | wereHamster, no they are normal old errors nothing to worry about |
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| 17:55.57 | ulic | maybe I'll change the address they get sent to. I tend to sign up online with e-mail accounts I don't care about getting spam on, just to be safe. |
| 17:55.57 | Funkeh` | ulic, my point, update your curse page of littlewigs, since it is not compatible with the latest bigwigs |
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| 17:56.23 | ulic | 10-4 |
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| 17:58.32 | Funkeh` | time for a restart |
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| 18:03.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [17:50] <sb> why does every pally need imp. bow? <--because we rotate people, that's why. QQ less |
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| 18:07.57 | pastamancer | the website is going to be down for about an hour |
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| 18:08.38 | sb | sag_ich_nicht:: so every priest needs imp spirit? :p |
| 18:08.45 | sb | and every lock imp cos? |
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| 18:14.05 | sag_ich_nicht | sb: nope, not the same thing. the only thing a paladin can get extra from those points is more fear/stun/disease etc. avoidance |
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| 18:15.32 | Azurewrath | mhm... no sleep compensated with to much coffee... i hate that feeling. |
| 18:15.40 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
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| 18:19.10 | CIA-9 | 03barfolomeu * r63070 10/branches/FlightHUD/ (FlightHUD.lua Locale-enUS.lua): Collaborate with myself |
| 18:19.39 | Primer | There should be a way to commit to branches without CIA showing it here |
| 18:19.55 | kergoth | why should branches be special? |
| 18:19.57 | Primer | because I'm going to do that a lot |
| 18:20.00 | ulic | Funkeh`: do you know what build of BigWigs the changes were made in, so I can say the minimum req? |
| 18:20.02 | Primer | collaborate with myself |
| 18:20.11 | kergoth | just because its on a branch doesnt mean people dont want to monitor the development |
| 18:20.15 | kergoth | if you want it private, get yourself your own svn |
| 18:20.35 | Primer | I have my own SVN...just figured it'd be best if everything was on wowace |
| 18:21.01 | dylanm | It's nottttttttttttttttt best. |
| 18:21.10 | Funkeh` | ulic, sec |
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| 18:23.06 | Funkeh` | ulic, 61754 I think |
| 18:23.32 | Momro | Short question: My icon does not appear left of the text on the fubar. There is just 'nothing' :-/ |
| 18:23.35 | Momro | Code: |
| 18:23.36 | Momro | function AutoRez:OnInitialize() |
| 18:23.36 | Momro | self:Print("AutoRez loaded.") |
| 18:23.36 | Momro | self.hasIcon = "Interface\\AddOns\\AutoRez\\Icon" |
| 18:23.36 | Momro | self.hasNoColor = true |
| 18:23.36 | Momro | self:SetIcon("Interface\\AddOns\AutoRez\\Icon") |
| 18:23.38 | Momro | end |
| 18:23.53 | Funkeh` | Momro, don't copy and paste large pieces of code here, use ace.pastey.net |
| 18:24.04 | Momro | argh, thought it was short enough |
| 18:24.09 | Momro | I'm sorry :-/ |
| 18:24.46 | CIA-9 | 03kergoth * r63071 10PoisonMenu/Core.lua: PoisonMenu: Add weightstones, oils, lures. |
| 18:25.39 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: the new bigwigs victory sound is awesome :P |
| 18:26.06 | Momro | There's the code: http://ace.pastey.net/83031-46xx |
| 18:26.21 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla, yeah it is :) |
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| 18:28.58 | ulic | Funkeh`: thanks, I'd check fish, but it's down to. |
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| 18:38.44 | Primer | Is plate healing gear just not as good for +healing as cloth? Is this why most holy paladins don't have as much +healing as priests? |
| 18:39.57 | dafire | their spells benefit more from other stats like crit |
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| 18:40.44 | Groktar | omg tmpgenc dvd author's encoder is SLOW |
| 18:40.47 | Primer | so one would not gage the effectiveness of a holy paladin based solely on their +healing, when compared to a priest? |
| 18:41.08 | Groktar | i could have done 4 passes in CCE in the time it's taking it to do a single pass |
| 18:41.09 | Groktar | >< |
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| 18:41.32 | dylanm | Are you taking into account holy guidance and all that? |
| 18:41.50 | Primer | I've never rolled paly, so I have no idea what talents do |
| 18:41.59 | Primer | I do have a holy priest though |
| 18:42.05 | Groktar | priests also get 10% extra healing from spi |
| 18:42.25 | Primer | ok, last night some paly was boasting 1600FB healing |
| 18:42.31 | Primer | fully buffed, I presume he meant |
| 18:42.49 | Groktar | that's pretty bad |
| 18:42.56 | Primer | whereas, on my priest, with 4 blues still, and nothing but kara epics, I have about 1900 healing, fully buffed |
| 18:43.15 | Groktar | my priest only has like 1700ish |
| 18:43.41 | Grum | Primer: fully buffed including totem i presume? |
| 18:43.49 | Primer | fully buffed == +55 healing pot, +44 healing food buff, and DS |
| 18:43.51 | Primer | no |
| 18:43.55 | Primer | just the above |
| 18:44.09 | Groktar | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Flak |
| 18:44.23 | Grum | with only kara gear? |
| 18:44.36 | Groktar | that's still not great |
| 18:44.59 | Primer | I have 2 items from badges |
| 18:45.01 | mort | you can hit 2k heal unbuffed with kara/crafted |
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| 18:45.11 | Primer | ok, I might have exagerated a bit, I guess it's closer to 1850 healing |
| 18:45.16 | Primer | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Ihavenoidea |
| 18:45.17 | Grum | sure you can but what are your other stats like then? |
| 18:45.23 | Grum | i presume you have primal mooncloth |
| 18:45.27 | Grum | so absolutely horrid stamina |
| 18:45.37 | Primer | nothing crafted |
| 18:45.58 | Primer | yes, I get one-shotted a lot :) |
| 18:46.19 | Groktar | he's got more hp than my priest! |
| 18:46.39 | sb | *sigh* need spirit gems and 2.4 patch |
| 18:46.44 | Groktar | 54 less mp5 |
| 18:46.52 | mort | i run around in bt with 7800hp unbuffed, i don't know how you get managed to be one shotted "a lot" ;) |
| 18:47.46 | Groktar | well, i'd be afraid to run around in the world with 7800hp and no resilience |
| 18:47.53 | Primer | mort: crappy tanks |
| 18:48.18 | Primer | well, I logged out in my healing set |
| 18:48.27 | Primer | I admit, I have no pvp set on this toon though |
| 18:48.30 | Groktar | eh, another 500hp won't help you much there |
| 18:48.45 | mort | "don't stand in the fire" is the key to survive 90% of the boss fights ;) |
| 18:48.59 | Primer | "don't get crit for 10k" is another |
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| 18:49.30 | mort | if something crits me for 10k i have aggro, something is seriously wrong then |
| 18:49.48 | cncfanatics | if something hits you and you do not wear tank gear, you're dead anyway |
| 18:49.53 | cncfanatics | no matter how much hp you got |
| 18:49.59 | Primer | I draw a lot of agro from healing, what can I say |
| 18:50.00 | Groktar | not on hyjal trash! |
| 18:50.07 | cncfanatics | I mean bosses ofc :)p |
| 18:50.15 | Groktar | hyjal trash is full of win as fury gear |
| 18:50.26 | Groktar | talk a couple healers into paying close attention to you |
| 18:50.29 | mort | hyal trash is easy mode with a prot paladin ;) |
| 18:50.32 | Groktar | and you can be #1 on dmg meter |
| 18:51.07 | mort | and get the shadow to perma buff you on nevro groups ;) |
| 18:51.07 | Kalroth | Groktar: I usually just taunt the mobs beating on the healers. Free rage AND heals for me! |
| 18:51.11 | mort | necro |
| 18:51.42 | Grum | i am just over 10 buffed .. and i get oneshotted ocasionally :D |
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| 18:52.46 | Groktar | ya, our spriests tend to be good about that |
| 18:52.59 | Primer | like last night, doing heroic daily (bot), got one-shotted twice |
| 18:53.06 | Grum | as a holy priest btw ;D |
| 18:53.31 | Primer | because the tank would charge the last mob in a group and agro the next group |
| 18:53.33 | mort | get a better tank ;) |
| 18:53.51 | Primer | yeah, this guy was rather n00bish |
| 18:54.03 | Groktar | i die a lot in heroic bot when i go as shadow |
| 18:54.05 | Primer | fade was on CD, as was PW:S |
| 18:54.11 | Groktar | i try to mind control the gene splicers and chemists |
| 18:54.14 | Groktar | omg hawt aoe |
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| 18:54.25 | mort | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.30 | Primer | never rolled shadow, leveled as holy |
| 18:54.46 | Kaelten | heads up guys we're cleaning out some tables in the forums database |
| 18:54.54 | Primer | oh no! |
| 18:55.03 | Kaelten | well the sessions table got up to 6.9 million rows |
| 18:55.12 | Kaelten | only 500k of them in the last 30 days |
| 18:55.19 | Kaelten | so we're pruning old sessions |
| 18:55.31 | Groktar | pfft, let it break 10 million first |
| 18:55.36 | NeoTron | lol@software keeping that many old rows |
| 18:55.38 | Kaelten | heh |
| 18:55.54 | NeoTron | Primer: you're a sick sick person! |
| 18:56.15 | Groktar | i levelled to around 50 or so as holy |
| 18:56.25 | Kaelten | ya, but thats why the forums are in maintence mode |
| 18:56.30 | Ripdog | leveling as a resto druids is fun, you should try it |
| 18:56.36 | Groktar | took me forever, but not as long as it took me to level my warrior |
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| 18:56.50 | Primer | NeoTron: how so? I wanted to learn how to be a holy priest...what better way then by leveling as one? :) |
| 18:57.06 | Primer | than? |
| 18:57.09 | NeoTron | painful |
| 18:57.17 | Primer | it wasn't that bad |
| 18:57.24 | Primer | I was able to get most of my XP from instances |
| 18:57.27 | Groktar | better way: find whack a mole arcade game |
| 18:57.29 | NeoTron | Ripdog: if you think ripping your hair out from frustration, sure :P |
| 18:57.31 | Groktar | feed it quarters |
| 18:57.39 | Ripdog | hey, its not hard, just slow |
| 18:57.50 | NeoTron | I didn't say it was hard |
| 18:57.58 | NeoTron | it's the slow part that is the main and suffering |
| 18:58.17 | NeoTron | not hard to level as a melee hunter either |
| 18:58.21 | NeoTron | just incredibly slow |
| 18:58.53 | Ripdog | but i'm impure, i allowed myself to be convinced to switch to balance at 52 ;_; |
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| 19:06.43 | Yssaril_ | lua> print(math.pi) |
| 19:06.44 | lua_bot | Yssaril_: 3.1415926535898 |
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| 19:09.39 | Funkeh` | Does anyone know why currently when casting a spell the target is always nil in the new combatlog, is it going to stay or change? |
| 19:10.23 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r63074 10Recount/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:10.23 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 19:10.23 | CIA-9 | - Removed some duplicated locale strings |
| 19:10.23 | CIA-9 | - zhCN localization update |
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| 19:16.46 | Pkekyo| | does movie directors have credits on their dreams? |
| 19:16.49 | Pkekyo| | *ponder* |
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| 19:17.10 | xyu | do* |
| 19:17.26 | Pkekyo| | thanks :) |
| 19:18.44 | Primer | so where would one ask for features to be added to the UI API? I imagine there's a specific thread on the wow forums? |
| 19:18.44 | Primer | I've looked, but can't find anything |
| 19:19.12 | Matrix110 | [2008/02/27 20:15:19-2691-x1]: LibBabble-Spell-3.0\LibBabble-3.0.lua:51: LibBabble-Spell-3.0: Translation "Frost Breath" not found. i dont get how it is even possible to get such messages on enGB... |
| 19:19.21 | Yssaril | i think you just open a thread on the US UI and Macro forums and hope for the best :) |
| 19:19.31 | Primer | heh |
| 19:19.35 | xyu | It's strange, My wow still locks up every time i exit from the login screen. I've tried deleting my cache files, and my config.wtf. It still hard locks WoW. |
| 19:19.52 | xyu | And only after i've played for like 10 minutes. If i go into the game, then log out straight away, it'll exit just fine. |
| 19:19.55 | Primer | I've seen that happen on my son's machine |
| 19:20.11 | Primer | I think this one mod was doing it |
| 19:20.23 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r63075 10Recount/locales/Recount-zhCN.lua: |
| 19:20.23 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 19:20.23 | CIA-9 | - zhCN typo fix |
| 19:20.25 | Primer | the one that writes a file to upload to rpgoutfitter.com |
| 19:20.43 | xyu | hm i dont know which one would do that |
| 19:20.53 | Primer | he had that on his machine because I rsync my addons directory to his machine |
| 19:21.06 | Yssaril | Primer: wouldnt effect anything if hes exiting from the login screen mods arent loaded at that poin |
| 19:21.09 | xyu | i've never been to that website before. |
| 19:21.10 | Yssaril | *point |
| 19:21.29 | Primer | ahh login screen |
| 19:21.31 | Primer | good point |
| 19:21.33 | xyu | Yssaril: if i load up wow and never log into the game. then exit from login screen I think it'll exit. |
| 19:21.49 | xyu | It's only after i play for a while then "Log out" to login screen then hit the "quit" button does it lock up |
| 19:21.57 | xyu | OR if i hit "exit game" from inside wow, it will also lock up. |
| 19:22.02 | xyu | whenever the game tries to ultimately close |
| 19:22.07 | xyu | even if i Alt-F4, it locks |
| 19:22.18 | Yssaril | xyu: wierd have you tried without ever loggin in? |
| 19:22.29 | Yssaril | or jsut log to the character selection and then quit? |
| 19:22.33 | xyu | like goign to the login screen and letting it sit htere? |
| 19:22.34 | NeoTron | was UnitGUID added to 2.4 yet? |
| 19:22.35 | xyu | no i will try that now |
| 19:22.44 | xyu | i'll go to char select |
| 19:22.48 | xyu | and leave it there for about 15 min |
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| 19:23.39 | xyu | i rented Terry Pratchet's Hogfather. Big fan of the discworld books. I just don't know if they could ever be made into moveis successfully :P |
| 19:24.51 | Funkeh` | Matrix110, guess one of your addons is looking for it incorectly |
| 19:24.53 | Primer | hrmm, I just noticed there's a page for my addon on curse.com. How can I go about adding screenshots, etc to it? |
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| 19:25.08 | CIA-9 | LibBabble-Spell-3.0 |
| 19:25.08 | CIA-9 | - Update: Spell List to include random things that were causing errors in BT/HM |
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| 19:26.33 | Funkeh` | Primer, http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/[AddOnCode]/edit/ |
| 19:26.42 | Primer | Funkeh`: thanks |
| 19:26.52 | Matrix110 | could be Funkeh` |
| 19:26.56 | Funkeh` | Primer, theres a link to it on your addon mage |
| 19:26.57 | Matrix110 | but finding that out will suck:P |
| 19:27.12 | Funkeh` | Matrix110, probably osmething to do with that alst commit |
| 19:27.31 | Matrix110 | well |
| 19:27.35 | Matrix110 | its giving errors for |
| 19:27.38 | Funkeh` | Primer, on the left hand side, has things like pload plugin, edit project etc |
| 19:27.38 | Matrix110 | "Melee" aswell |
| 19:27.44 | Funkeh` | edit project appears when logged in |
| 19:28.01 | Funkeh` | Matrix110, probably the branch recount? |
| 19:28.17 | Matrix110 | nope not using that |
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| 19:28.32 | Funkeh` | ex_raidstatus I think that dude makes |
| 19:28.34 | Funkeh` | ax |
| 19:29.07 | Matrix110 | didnt install anything new besides xpsparky and mythreat |
| 19:29.31 | Matrix110 | xpsparky has no reason to use babble |
| 19:29.35 | Matrix110 | and mythreat neither |
| 19:29.44 | Matrix110 | (threat was installed always anyway) |
| 19:30.05 | aestil | forums are down, is kgpanels in trunk yet? |
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| 19:31.08 | Primer | Funkeh`: ok, maybe I'm not understanding you correctly. You mean I can edit it once I'm logged in to curse.com? |
| 19:31.16 | Funkeh` | Primer, yes |
| 19:31.23 | NeoTron | I tried my magicmarker addon in hyjal last night. let's just say it's not the most optimal place to use it (in fact it's probably better to manually mark there - not much, if anything, really needs marking) |
| 19:31.25 | Funkeh` | assuming you made the addon page and are listed as an author |
| 19:31.41 | Primer | I did not |
| 19:31.42 | Hjalte | Magic marker? |
| 19:31.43 | Funkeh` | or are listed |
| 19:31.46 | Primer | it's just there |
| 19:31.59 | aestil | Kagaro is kgpanels in trunk yet? |
| 19:31.59 | Funkeh` | Primer, you can't edit other peoples addon pages |
| 19:32.01 | NeoTron | Hjalte: raid target auto-marking |
| 19:32.06 | Primer | It's my addon |
| 19:32.13 | Primer | http://aceaddons.curse.com/FlightHUD.html |
| 19:32.18 | Funkeh` | then what are you talking about, you're not making sense |
| 19:32.19 | Primer | is the page |
| 19:32.31 | Primer | I'm guessing it's just auto-generated |
| 19:32.33 | Primer | from svn |
| 19:32.39 | Hjalte | NeoTron: Hmm, like in person A's target is star, person B's target is moon etc or more advanced? |
| 19:33.05 | Funkeh` | Primer, that page barel loads for me, and no curse does not auto generate wowace files |
| 19:33.10 | NeoTron | Hjalte: as in mouse over a bunhc of mobs and put appropriate tank/sheep/banish/sleep etc targets based on your guilds preferences |
| 19:33.10 | Funkeh` | barely |
| 19:33.26 | Arrowmaster | you cant edit those pages afaik |
| 19:33.28 | Primer | Funkeh`: dunno what to say. I never did anything to make it show up there |
| 19:33.38 | Funkeh` | Primer, then someone else probably did it |
| 19:33.40 | Hjalte | Neotron: Ah. That sounds clever enough. |
| 19:33.51 | Primer | Funkeh`: go to the root of that site. All of svn is there |
| 19:33.55 | NeoTron | still early development |
| 19:34.01 | Arrowmaster | everything from wowace shows up on http://aceaddons.curse.com/ |
| 19:34.22 | Funkeh` | oh dear god |
| 19:34.33 | Arrowmaster | its been that way for a while |
| 19:35.04 | NeoTron | that sounds strangely similar to what another addon site and got blasted for not too far in the past |
| 19:35.31 | Funkeh` | Ill check out wwhats going on |
| 19:35.36 | Arrowmaster | except that other site did it without premission |
| 19:35.49 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten is a curse admin |
| 19:36.04 | NeoTron | well |
| 19:36.26 | NeoTron | putting an addon on wowace doesn't sign the rights away - it's a matter of individual addon author preferences too is it not? |
| 19:37.08 | Hjalte | Damn, wowace forums went down on me just as I was headed for the second page of an interesting thread. |
| 19:37.11 | Arrowmaster | well your giving wowace the right to distrubute it |
| 19:37.28 | NeoTron | on files.wowace.com and svn |
| 19:37.33 | Kaelten | Hjalte: I'm working on bringing them back up |
| 19:37.41 | kergoth | WobWork: had an idea for xparky, which might be outside its scope, just throwing it out.. maybe add pet xp as a side by side thing like rep is, if the pet isnt the player's level (for hunter) |
| 19:37.47 | Arrowmaster | nowhere does it say only on files.wowace.com and svn |
| 19:37.48 | NeoTron | frankly that curse page is worse of an interface than files.wowace.com is |
| 19:37.49 | Kaelten | all aceaddons.curse.com is a skinned version of files that shows up on their domain |
| 19:37.55 | Hjalte | Kaelten: <3 |
| 19:38.17 | Primer | trying to figure out this curse.com interface...to add my addon with screen shots, videos, etc |
| 19:38.23 | NeoTron | I am not a stake holder here, just playing devils advocate |
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| 19:38.59 | NeoTron | is aceaddons.curse.com perhaps primarily meant to be used with the curse updater? |
| 19:39.04 | Arrowmaster | theres a difference between the curse pages and the incgamers ones, the incgamers ones had full features like comments voting and all that stuff akin to submiting a file to a release site |
| 19:39.04 | Matrix110 | yes |
| 19:39.12 | Kaelten | NeoTron: more or less, |
| 19:39.31 | kagaro_ | quit |
| 19:39.45 | Stanzilla | ~fail kagaro |
| 19:39.46 | purl | kagaro: Fail. |
| 19:39.54 | NeoTron | that makes sense then |
| 19:40.08 | Primer | seems I need to create a project |
| 19:40.11 | Primer | hrmm |
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| 19:40.24 | Arrowmaster | Primer: you wont be able to edit that page anyway |
| 19:40.29 | NeoTron | although I would recommend noting the state of addons there is not necessarily release status. just in case people expect that |
| 19:40.38 | Primer | Arrowmaster: I see that now. I just want to make my own now |
| 19:41.13 | Hjalte | What is the elemental resistance cap? |
| 19:41.20 | Arrowmaster | 365 |
| 19:41.49 | NeoTron | so I realized I can twiddle a couple of enchants on my SR set so I don't sit at an annoying 298 unbuffed but instead go to 295 >:-) |
| 19:41.58 | NeoTron | -8 to boots, +5 to cloak => win |
| 19:42.08 | NeoTron | plus I'll pick up 9 stamina and run speed enchant too |
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| 19:44.03 | aestil | kagaro: ping |
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| 19:48.50 | Primer | In this curse.com project dialog, it's asking for a file or a URL to the file, but I've seen project that are using ace SVN versions. Is there a way to make that always point to the latest svn without intervention on my part? |
| 19:49.06 | Funkeh` | no |
| 19:49.10 | Primer | gay |
| 19:49.13 | Funkeh` | not when creating a project |
| 19:49.26 | Funkeh` | you can directly grab the file off the url though |
| 19:49.30 | Funkeh` | when yo update the project |
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| 19:50.06 | Primer | bah, 500 error when submitting |
| 19:50.40 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r63077 10Prat/ (40 files in 6 dirs): Prat: Update all modules to use indirect library reference |
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| 19:51.05 | Hjalte | Hmm. I wonder what they come up with of Life tap changes in the next couple of PTR patches |
| 19:51.12 | Primer | moderation required...guess I'll wait |
| 19:51.24 | Primer | Hjalte: indeed, I've been wondering about that too |
| 19:52.05 | Yssaril | Hjalte: LT will take you down to 1 HP but fill up you MP to 100% :P |
| 19:52.28 | Hjalte | Yssaril: Can I yell at the healers when I die then? |
| 19:52.42 | Yssaril | always :P especcially when ur tanking soemthing :P |
| 19:53.58 | Primer | so that's all? |
| 19:54.01 | Yssaril | imo LT would be perfect if it did like this drains up to 15% of your max HP and gives you up to 15% of your max HP as mana (you could tap down to 1 hp that way :) |
| 19:54.05 | Primer | you can LT to 1HP |
| 19:54.06 | SunTsu | Hm, Routes goes "..\AddOns\Routes\Plugins\GatherMate.lua line 47: bad argument #2 to 'format' (string expected, got nil) if I want to add a route. A day ago it worked |
| 19:54.15 | xyu | well, after 27 minutes on the char select screen I exited the game fine. |
| 19:54.20 | xyu | I will try 20 minutes in game. |
| 19:54.45 | Yssaril | Primer: i am just thinking of the worst thing there imo :) they ahvent said anything about it yet |
| 19:55.29 | Primer | I had heard they'd be nerfing it. I guess that's good news |
| 19:55.36 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r63078 10Prat/extras/ (Frameworks.lua PratFu.lua PratWaterfall.lua): Prat: Delete second copy of PratFu and PratWaterfall, tweak frameworks section |
| 19:56.15 | xyu | What's also weird, is if i turn off ambient sound. It turns off for like 3 seconds than fades back in. so annoying . |
| 19:56.17 | Hjalte | Primer: Besides the 15% and 15% devastating change? I doubt they will be nerfing it any more. |
| 19:56.18 | xyu | especially in ogrila :D |
| 19:56.21 | Yssaril | Primer: they want to nerf it for PVP but their latest suggestion would have screwed up PVE itimization completely |
| 19:56.28 | SunTsu | Well, everything's fine tonight ;) http://www.wowace.com/ -> Unable to forward this request at this tim |
| 19:56.42 | SunTsu | s/$/e/ |
| 19:56.53 | Primer | Hjalte: what's this 15% you're talking about? |
| 19:57.34 | Yssaril | Primer: that was teh latest ptr LT version it would drain 15% of max HP and give you 15% of max MP |
| 19:57.55 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: ping. Any idea what may cause "..\AddOns\Routes\Plugins\GatherMate.lua line 47: bad argument #2 to 'format' (string expected, got nil)" when trying to add a route? |
| 19:58.01 | Grum | Yssaril: wasnt it 26/26? |
| 19:58.06 | Hjalte | No, it's 15% |
| 19:58.12 | Hjalte | 26 was a tooltip bug. |
| 19:58.19 | Yssaril | was 15 last is checked |
| 19:58.20 | Primer | Yssaril: I guess I never paid much attention to LT. How is that different from what it is now? |
| 19:58.27 | Grum | it sucked in either case |
| 19:58.31 | NeoTron | I had a good idea for life tap I though |
| 19:58.35 | Grum | locks never stack mana |
| 19:58.50 | NeoTron | convertn 25% of your CURRENT health to mana, or at a minimum convert 10-15% of total health |
| 19:58.58 | NeoTron | I dunno. sounded good when I thought about it |
| 19:59.03 | Yssaril | primer it is mased on spelldmg at them so it will drain x amount of health and give you x amount of mana |
| 19:59.39 | Primer | I wonder if my coffee didn't work this morning |
| 19:59.43 | Primer | I can't comprehend that |
| 20:00.11 | Hjalte | The new life tap needs locks to focus *a lot* more on intellect than earlier. |
| 20:00.20 | Killmore | libabble spell 3.0 is broken:( |
| 20:00.23 | NeoTron | the new life tap is in the past |
| 20:00.27 | Yssaril | Primer: http://www.wowwiki.com/Life_Tap |
| 20:00.29 | NeoTron | long live lifetap 3.0 |
| 20:00.34 | Primer | Yssaril: thanks |
| 20:00.36 | NeoTron | whatever that one entails |
| 20:00.47 | Hjalte | NeoTron: Well, we don't know yet what 3.0 will have. |
| 20:01.27 | Yssaril | Hjalte: will drain 1% of mana from every mana user and give the total mana draind to the lock :) |
| 20:01.46 | Yssaril | now that would be hawt |
| 20:02.19 | Primer | ok, that page tells me nothing I didn't already know |
| 20:02.20 | NeoTron | Hjalte: exactly |
| 20:02.33 | NeoTron | point being discussing the current iteration isn't really worth it |
| 20:02.33 | Hjalte | NeoTron: It could be just version 2.5 :P |
| 20:02.35 | Yssaril | Primer: thats how it currently works |
| 20:02.50 | Killmore | I have over 45 errors message telling me that babble spell 3.0 is not found but he's on my addons list and "check'd" |
| 20:02.54 | Primer | I need the cliffnotes version :) |
| 20:03.04 | NeoTron | it's bad and blizzardknows how we feel after 145 page topic among other countless of topics |
| 20:03.06 | Yssaril | primer lol |
| 20:03.48 | NeoTron | Primer: Today: BaseValue+SpellDmg*X health => mana (multiple ranks of life tap available). PTR today: 15% of max health converted into 15% of max mana |
| 20:04.27 | Primer | ok, so having a larger MP means more mana per LT |
| 20:04.32 | Primer | THAT'S ALL YOU HAD TO SAY! |
| 20:04.53 | Yssaril | lol yes and that sucks for warlocks :) |
| 20:05.00 | Primer | dumb it down for those of us that aren't fully awake! |
| 20:05.11 | Arrowmaster | and it gives less mana on ptr than live |
| 20:05.21 | Primer | yeah, especially considering I have about 11k HP/8k MP |
| 20:05.27 | Arrowmaster | unless your gear is crap |
| 20:05.56 | Hjalte | Luckily, I have around 11k of both intellect and mana when buffed. |
| 20:06.02 | Primer | I wonder how improved LT will affect it |
| 20:06.09 | Primer | since I'm affliction |
| 20:06.16 | Arrowmaster | goes from 15% to 18% |
| 20:06.21 | NeoTron | on PTR raid buffed I'd get about 250 less mana per tap costing abou 200 more health |
| 20:06.28 | Gnarfoz | WTB some kind of x264 / AVC L4.1 streaming page... the only thing that could be a replacement for stage6 :( |
| 20:06.38 | NeoTron | to clarify Arrowmaster: 15% health => 18% mana |
| 20:06.56 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: youtube ftwinz! |
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| 20:07.07 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: </sarcasm> |
| 20:07.07 | NeoTron | (yes I know youtube is ass compared to stage6) |
| 20:07.10 | *** part/#wowace Krittick (n=krittick@cpe-74-71-207-64.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 20:07.21 | vithos | r63076 LibBabble-Spell-3.0\LibBabble-Spell-3.0.lua:548: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 14) near '[' |
| 20:07.28 | Killmore | yeah like I said |
| 20:07.28 | NeoTron | I'm surprised something with such horrible quality is so popular.. but then again I do use it myself |
| 20:07.32 | *** part/#wowace Baldor (n=vantienh@53575CD8.cable.casema.nl) |
| 20:07.33 | NeoTron | vithos: lollocalize? :P |
| 20:07.35 | Kurax | Expecting YouTube HD |
| 20:07.35 | Killmore | apoco just destroy libbabble-spell 3.0 |
| 20:07.40 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: ease of use > quality :< |
| 20:07.43 | Killmore | can anyone just kill him ? |
| 20:07.50 | Killmore | or rape is sister |
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| 20:08.12 | Kurax | Burn |
| 20:08.14 | NeoTron | Killmore: be upset yes, but "rape his sister" is highly inappropriate and insensitive |
| 20:08.23 | Killmore | :( |
| 20:11.17 | vithos | i wish it were easier to tell wau "revision X is broken" so it could revert to the previous version, but still update when a newer one is available |
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| 20:15.14 | Kivin | !ar 491 |
| 20:15.14 | Xinhuan | 491 arena points require 1620(5s), 1667(3s) and 1726(2s) team rating. |
| 20:15.40 | phyber | *sigh* at horde cities. |
| 20:15.45 | Kivin | ? |
| 20:15.51 | phyber | Horde had the easy mode Draconic for Dummies quest |
| 20:15.51 | sag_ich_nicht | okay anyone having an idea why [SureHP?FractionalHP:Short!PercentHP:Percent] returns fractional hp for bosses? |
| 20:15.56 | phyber | "go to the library in stormwind" |
| 20:16.02 | phyber | Undercity is retarded |
| 20:16.17 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: well, because you have LibMobHealth-4.0 installed |
| 20:16.31 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: instead of using SureHP, use IsPlayer |
| 20:16.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: SureHP shouldn't be based on LibMobHealth-4.0 imho |
| 20:16.57 | ckknight | it is, check the docs |
| 20:17.03 | ckknight | use IsPlayer instead. |
| 20:17.09 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: please stab Ellipsis from me |
| 20:17.10 | ckknight | or something along those lines |
| 20:17.11 | sag_ich_nicht | with a fork |
| 20:17.13 | sag_ich_nicht | in her eyes |
| 20:17.14 | sag_ich_nicht | thank you |
| 20:17.15 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: why? |
| 20:17.32 | sag_ich_nicht | because i was doing exactly that and she was like "no this will work the same olololol!" |
| 20:17.36 | sag_ich_nicht | which it does not. |
| 20:17.52 | sag_ich_nicht | and then she was denying it |
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| 20:18.44 | NeoTron | wowace should have a continuous build system that runs luac on checked in files to validate that they, at least, compile |
| 20:18.54 | NeoTron | or heck luac on-commit hook... :P |
| 20:19.29 | CIA-9 | 037destiny * r63079 10PitBull/ (59 files in 30 dirs): |
| 20:19.29 | CIA-9 | PitBull |
| 20:19.29 | CIA-9 | - Update locale koKR |
| 20:22.07 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i tried to use IsPlayer |
| 20:22.08 | sag_ich_nicht | problem is |
| 20:22.10 | sag_ich_nicht | [Status] | [IsPlayerOrPet ? IsFriend ? FractionalHP:Short] [ [IsEnemy | ~IsPlayerOrPet] ? PercentHP:Percent] |
| 20:22.11 | sag_ich_nicht | this |
| 20:22.20 | sag_ich_nicht | returns 100/100 for friendly players not in your party |
| 20:22.21 | Yssaril | NeoTron: that be nice |
| 20:22.23 | sag_ich_nicht | or not in your raid |
| 20:22.28 | sag_ich_nicht | etc. |
| 20:22.30 | sag_ich_nicht | ideas? :P |
| 20:22.59 | NeoTron | Kaelten: has that been tried or considered? |
| 20:23.21 | sag_ich_nicht | p.s.: wowace.com is borked |
| 20:23.23 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: not currently |
| 20:23.34 | Kaelten | NeoTron: has what been considered? |
| 20:23.48 | Kaelten | sag_ich_nicht: its down because I have a very nasty mysql query running |
| 20:24.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaelten ckknight i will stab you both |
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| 20:24.39 | ckknight | why is this my fault |
| 20:24.40 | ckknight | ? |
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| 20:24.45 | NeoTron | Kaelten: on-commit luac validation to make sure checked in lua code at least compiles |
| 20:24.52 | Kaelten | NeoTron: oh the luac idea? ya had it running once before |
| 20:24.58 | Kaelten | it crashed due to encoding problems |
| 20:25.04 | Kaelten | so I took it down and never revisted it |
| 20:25.06 | omeow | Why does atlas break so often? |
| 20:25.24 | omeow | Don't they at least give it a little test run before committing changes to the SVN? =) |
| 20:25.24 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: well you can't think of a dogtag to do this, so my guild mate is pissed at me because i can't provide him with one, so this is your fault |
| 20:25.25 | sag_ich_nicht | ! |
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| 20:26.02 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: go with IsPlayer?IsFriend?SureHP or so |
| 20:26.03 | NeoTron | Kaelten: would be nice to avoid frequent breaks bc localizers don't test their stuff |
| 20:26.05 | ckknight | that'll work |
| 20:26.32 | Kaelten | NeoTron: ya I think if I switched over to using cog's luac it'd work properly |
| 20:26.37 | Kaelten | just haven't had time to concentrate on it |
| 20:26.44 | NeoTron | fair enough |
| 20:27.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah cog's luac is compiled to accept files with or without utf8 boms |
| 20:27.26 | Primer | OMG wow forum just ate my huge ass post when it expired my session! |
| 20:27.49 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/beach.jpg |
| 20:27.57 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i think you need to stab ellipsis even some more :P |
| 20:28.01 | Primer | bah, having to run livehttpheaders to get it back |
| 20:28.04 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: she's asleep |
| 20:28.17 | Kaelten | Primer more like apache is down so its not posting anything |
| 20:28.19 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i know |
| 20:28.19 | Arrowmaster | lol i have a trick i use when that happens |
| 20:28.20 | Kaelten | you shouldn't be able to access wowace's forums at all |
| 20:28.26 | ckknight | mikma: photoshop |
| 20:28.32 | Primer | Kaelten: no, wow.com |
| 20:28.41 | Kaelten | oh, lol |
| 20:28.44 | mikma | ckknight: no, fake. :D |
| 20:28.51 | Arrowmaster | i just open another tab and goto the forums and login then hit refresh in the orignal one so it sends the postdata again |
| 20:28.54 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dirty_mind.png |
| 20:29.38 | Primer | bah, gonna have to de-URLify it |
| 20:29.40 | Primer | so crappy |
| 20:30.17 | Primer | I wish firefox would save form fields of text areas too |
| 20:30.23 | sag_ich_nicht | gah |
| 20:30.34 | sag_ich_nicht | does LibMobHealth-4.0 do player health? |
| 20:30.41 | sag_ich_nicht | otherwise i'll use this: [Status] | [IsPlayerOrPet ? IsFriend ? SureHP ? FractionalHP:Short] [ [IsEnemy | ~IsPlayerOrPet | [IsPlayerOrPet ? ~SureHP]] ? PercentHP:Percent] |
| 20:30.51 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo * r63080 10LibBabble-Spell-3.0/LibBabble-Spell-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Spell-3.0: A comma was missing after Healing Aura, apparently. Bad apoco; remember luac -p. |
| 20:30.58 | sag_ich_nicht | or wait |
| 20:31.16 | sag_ich_nicht | i already do this by saying IsEnemy |
| 20:31.16 | CIA-9 | 03ascalia * r63081 10BigBrother/ (4 files): |
| 20:31.16 | CIA-9 | BigBrother: |
| 20:31.16 | CIA-9 | - fixed Gift of the Wild buff icon |
| 20:31.16 | CIA-9 | - improved detection of "Well Fed" in GUI |
| 20:31.16 | CIA-9 | - added new Elixir: Greater Intellect |
| 20:31.19 | sag_ich_nicht | excellent |
| 20:31.47 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: how does : work in DogTag? (technically) |
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| 20:33.18 | chexsum_ | omfg why do people go for the priest first |
| 20:33.22 | Stanzilla | sag_ich_nicht: use /dog |
| 20:33.25 | chexsum_ | im failing to get smites off :( |
| 20:33.29 | Stanzilla | and RTFM |
| 20:33.32 | NeoTron | chexsum_: because preists hael |
| 20:33.39 | chexsum_ | i dont want to heal |
| 20:33.42 | cncfanatics | wowace down ? |
| 20:33.53 | chexsum_ | theyre making me put on my uber heal gear |
| 20:33.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Stanzilla: die in a fire i know what fucking : does, it doesn't explain what fucking LibDogTag DOES when it encounters a : while parsing the fucking tag |
| 20:34.03 | chexsum_ | dumb people |
| 20:34.04 | NeoTron | cncfanatics: no, it's just not liking you |
| 20:34.06 | sag_ich_nicht | hence the (technically) |
| 20:34.08 | Groktar | smite priests are pro. |
| 20:34.10 | sag_ich_nicht | lern2read |
| 20:34.35 | sag_ich_nicht | and yes i just overused "fucking" by a lot |
| 20:36.11 | Yssaril | later guys |
| 20:36.23 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: busy |
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| 20:39.10 | Dashkal | Question re ChatThrottleLib: is there a way to be told when a message has been completely sent? |
| 20:39.16 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight; np, not like it's important |
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| 20:41.02 | chexsum_ | i done a 4.5k smite yesterday |
| 20:41.20 | chexsum_ | the guy just sat at the gy after it lol |
| 20:41.46 | Elsia | is there a way to use cogwheels luac within notepad++? |
| 20:42.04 | NeoTron | what is cogwheel's luac out of curiosity? |
| 20:42.09 | NeoTron | second time it's been mentioned |
| 20:42.16 | Elsia | it's a wow-adopted lua compiler |
| 20:42.27 | Elsia | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5300 |
| 20:42.41 | pastamancer | it includes all the blizzard aliases and ignores the utf8 bom at the beginning of files |
| 20:43.02 | NeoTron | ah nice |
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| 20:43.14 | NeoTron | utf8 bom? |
| 20:43.22 | pastamancer | byte-order-mark |
| 20:43.23 | NeoTron | is that the couple of crud characters I see in some files? |
| 20:43.26 | pastamancer | yeah |
| 20:43.32 | NeoTron | I was wondering waht that was |
| 20:43.44 | NeoTron | when looking at some ace3 addons for inspiration |
| 20:44.42 | NeoTron | well thanks for the link |
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| 20:46.34 | kenlyric | so, did slashdot get dumb on the diebold-onion thing? |
| 20:46.54 | Firelemming | good evening all |
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| 20:48.24 | Dashkal | Eh, just lots of readers who forgot what the foot means |
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| 20:49.42 | CIA-9 | 03firelemming * r63082 10RuinBossTactics_TK/ (. RuinBossTactics_TK.toc tk.lua): |
| 20:49.42 | CIA-9 | RuinBossTactics_TK: initial commit |
| 20:49.42 | CIA-9 | - Displays Boss Tactics Ingame (TK tactics) |
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| 20:52.27 | Cheads | uhmm what's the slash command again to see how many accounts there are in your guild? |
| 20:52.33 | Primer | curse.com is cursed |
| 20:52.33 | kbh | ./ginfo |
| 20:52.40 | Primer | every other page turn is bugged out |
| 20:52.55 | Cheads | ty |
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| 20:54.23 | basslingo | good afternoon all |
| 20:55.44 | Kurax | 5am here hehe |
| 20:56.02 | Elsia | \o/ forum back |
| 20:56.34 | basslingo | ^^ |
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| 20:56.38 | basslingo | 2pm here |
| 20:57.35 | RaydenUni | which uldaman boss used to be a world boss? |
| 20:58.31 | dieck | Uldaman? what did they put in there? Kazzak? one of the green dragons? are there more world bosses left? |
| 20:58.33 | Arrowmaster | the big titan chick |
| 20:59.01 | RaydenUni | Ironaaya? |
| 20:59.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 20:59.20 | basslingo | she looks like the maiden |
| 20:59.49 | CIA-9 | 03firelemming * r63083 10RuinBossTactics_TK/ (. tk.lua): |
| 20:59.49 | CIA-9 | RuinBossTactics_TK: |
| 20:59.49 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.00 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r63084 10AtlasLoot/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:00.00 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot: |
| 21:00.00 | CIA-9 | - zhCN & zhTW clean up, do not use Babbles in localization file since they're already used in master file |
| 21:00.10 | Arrowmaster | its probably the same model and nobodys every cared enough to notice |
| 21:00.21 | basslingo | lol probably |
| 21:00.28 | NeoTron | because no one ever goes to Uldaman |
| 21:00.46 | Firelemming | what is Uldaman :) lol |
| 21:00.46 | chexsum_ | ive been about 5 times in total |
| 21:00.54 | Arrowmaster | ive got over 250 days played and ive never even seen the final boss in uldaman |
| 21:01.03 | basslingo | lol |
| 21:01.21 | Killmore | it is possible with an addon to remove the sound you hear when you spam an ability that is not ready ? not the speech |
| 21:01.24 | Dashkal | A shame. The final boss is the only part of that instance worth playing :p |
| 21:01.44 | chexsum_ | kill search google for wow fizzle sound |
| 21:01.44 | RaydenUni | the final boss is a big stone elemental thing |
| 21:01.51 | RaydenUni | he spawns a bunch of stone statues |
| 21:01.52 | RaydenUni | like 30 of them |
| 21:01.58 | Snago | Killmore: Don't know, but the easy solution is to not spam the button |
| 21:02.00 | Dashkal | It's a really cool fight. Too bad it's at the end of a really craptacular instance |
| 21:02.05 | NeoTron | it's an interesting instance |
| 21:02.19 | Killmore | Snago: you gain ph4t dps by spamming the button |
| 21:02.19 | NeoTron | the last boss is fun and the Ironaaya pre-event is very cool. Very Indiana Jones |
| 21:02.34 | Elsia | the final uldaman boss was the first boss that needed strategy, nice really |
| 21:02.36 | NeoTron | it could use less trash |
| 21:02.36 | RaydenUni | it's ripped from indiana jones |
| 21:02.44 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: and it's cool |
| 21:02.48 | NeoTron | QED :) |
| 21:02.50 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: gnomer end boss |
| 21:02.54 | Chompers | Killmore: try turning it off in interface options |
| 21:02.55 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Exactly. That's my real complaint with it. It takes over an hour when level-appropriate |
| 21:03.00 | Snago | Killmore: If you remove the sound you loose 3.5 dps :\ |
| 21:03.02 | NeoTron | firt time there is one of the "wow" moments when I get there |
| 21:03.04 | Elsia | well strategy as in: not obvious on first try |
| 21:03.14 | Twist- | side note.. if you go back and do uldaman at 70, dropping the boss before the statues spawn will leave you trapped in a locked room |
| 21:03.16 | NeoTron | Dashkal: Most pre-BC instances take over an hour when level/gear appropriate |
| 21:03.23 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:03.37 | Killmore | even with the "speech error" off you hear the sound :( |
| 21:03.40 | Dashkal | This is true.... I haven't done an sub-70 instance level appropriate in years :p |
| 21:03.47 | NeoTron | we're levelling a new set of horde alts |
| 21:03.56 | NeoTron | I expect us to do many "level approriate" instances |
| 21:04.06 | Dashkal | You can set a cvar to mute sounds while clicking, bout the only way I know of |
| 21:04.10 | NeoTron | although... we might have one l60-70 with us >:-) |
| 21:04.11 | Twist- | Killmore: so the gist is that you need to create a blank wave, and drop it where the fizzle sound would be expected in the wow folder |
| 21:04.16 | RaydenUni | not many low level dungeons take less than an hour |
| 21:04.30 | Arrowmaster | Killmore: theres a console command to disable soundfx you can use in a macro before a spell and another to enable soundfx you can use after the spell |
| 21:04.48 | NeoTron | even stratholme doesn't |
| 21:04.54 | NeoTron | if you actually do the whole instance |
| 21:04.59 | RaydenUni | doesn't what? |
| 21:05.06 | NeoTron | take less than an hour |
| 21:05.10 | Dashkal | Hmm, I don't think I've ever had a group full-clear strat |
| 21:05.12 | RaydenUni | i didn't do it much |
| 21:05.16 | Dashkal | It's always live or dead only |
| 21:05.19 | RaydenUni | you might as well go to outlands by that time |
| 21:05.20 | NeoTron | Dashkal: right |
| 21:05.31 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: yes but some ppl did play before outlands existed :P |
| 21:05.33 | Dashkal | In which case the whole instance is at most an hour... I likely |
| 21:05.37 | RaydenUni | i didn't |
| 21:05.43 | Dashkal | s/instance/run/ |
| 21:05.46 | RaydenUni | is it just me or are there not many dungeons for 50-50? |
| 21:05.48 | RaydenUni | just BRD |
| 21:05.55 | Dashkal | Maura? |
| 21:05.57 | RaydenUni | 50-55 |
| 21:05.59 | Twist- | RaydenUni: maraudon |
| 21:06.09 | Twist- | and yes, brd |
| 21:06.11 | RaydenUni | uh |
| 21:06.18 | RaydenUni | 43-48? |
| 21:06.24 | RaydenUni | maraudon is 43-48 |
| 21:06.35 | NeoTron | The Temple of Atal'Hakkar |
| 21:06.41 | Twist- | they narrowed the instance level ranges in 2.3 a bit |
| 21:06.47 | NeoTron | BRD is more like 55-60 |
| 21:06.52 | RaydenUni | 47-50 |
| 21:06.57 | RaydenUni | is ST |
| 21:07.08 | NeoTron | maybe wowdb's range is invalid |
| 21:07.10 | Twist- | RaydenUni: but generally there is only one instance for any given level range |
| 21:07.11 | RaydenUni | BRD is 48-56 |
| 21:07.12 | NeoTron | I am not sure |
| 21:07.21 | Dashkal | ahh, forgot about ST. |
| 21:07.37 | NeoTron | but yes the progression is Maraudon in the 40s, Sunken Temple, BRD |
| 21:07.46 | Aeyan | BRD is huge |
| 21:07.53 | NightHawkAtWork | Feh, you do ST once at ~50 then just quest your way afterwords. its not like the instance drops are worth it |
| 21:07.54 | RaydenUni | ZF, Mara, ST are all pretty close |
| 21:08.02 | NeoTron | there is a significantly higher conecentration of places in the lower levels it seems |
| 21:08.03 | Dashkal | BRD is way too big... I've never been past the MC entrance |
| 21:08.09 | RaydenUni | but then you have only BRD until 58 or so |
| 21:08.19 | Twist- | Most of the instances were designed to be cleared in multiple trips |
| 21:08.22 | Aeyan | Then you had BRS and such |
| 21:08.35 | Twist- | the difficulty level used to spike 2/3 times as you went deeper in |
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| 21:09.07 | Twist- | the necklace quest in uldaman sent you back to IF a couple times, etc |
| 21:09.08 | Arrowmaster | brd is a great instance |
| 21:09.19 | RaydenUni | i enjoyed BRD my first time around |
| 21:09.23 | Aeyan | I like BRD as long as you didn't try to do too much at once |
| 21:09.28 | RaydenUni | it was the first *real* dungeon that you had to run many times |
| 21:09.34 | RaydenUni | i was excited about end game content |
| 21:09.49 | RaydenUni | but right when i hit 60 BC came out so i did strat and scholo once or twice and then moved to outlands |
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| 21:10.12 | RaydenUni | but outlands has a better dungeon pacing i think |
| 21:10.25 | Twist- | of course |
| 21:10.32 | Groktar | the problem with brd is that nobody ever has the same quests |
| 21:10.42 | NeoTron | we had a blast doing RFK |
| 21:10.50 | NeoTron | being primarily alliance one of us had even never done it before |
| 21:10.52 | Groktar | or they'll suddenly remember that they need to go kill XXX when you're halfway done |
| 21:10.55 | RaydenUni | it's also very annoying to pick up quests for low level dungeons |
| 21:10.59 | RaydenUni | the quests are from ALL OVER |
| 21:11.05 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: yes that is indeed true |
| 21:11.18 | Twist- | outland dungeons are hubbed in the scarlet monastery / naxxramas style |
| 21:11.22 | NightHawkAtWork | that always annoyed me, ST was one of the worst. >< |
| 21:11.32 | Twist- | so you have more instances, but they're mostly tiny |
| 21:11.36 | RaydenUni | it's not uncommon to have quests (several from chains) from TB, org, tanaris and booty bay |
| 21:11.52 | RaydenUni | yeah one of the main ST starts in tarren mill, then goes to hinterlands |
| 21:11.53 | RaydenUni | wtf |
| 21:11.56 | Twist- | If that bugs you, get a leveling guide. |
| 21:12.05 | RaydenUni | i figured it out |
| 21:12.18 | Twist- | they were designed to show you progressively more remote areas of the world as you leveled |
| 21:12.20 | RaydenUni | but if someone says "hey want to do ST?" "sure, give me 30 minutes to go grab all the quests" |
| 21:12.25 | NightHawkAtWork | Twist-: the problem isn't finding the quests, i already know about them. the problem is the fact that you go all over the damn world to get them :P |
| 21:12.42 | Twist- | right, but you're doing other quests at the time |
| 21:12.53 | NeoTron | ST is incredibly confusing |
| 21:12.59 | Twist- | generally when a quest sends you to BFE, you discover that BFE is a new quest hub |
| 21:13.30 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, and you have the quests for that instance sitting in your log, which pre-BC was valuable space when leveling |
| 21:13.44 | RaydenUni | on my druid (54) i have lots of space |
| 21:13.44 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: of course in Starwars Galaxies ppl might ask "want to go do missions on Dathomir" and you reply "Sure, I'll be there in 30m as I have waited 3 times for the shuttles to arrive" |
| 21:13.49 | RaydenUni | but i've completely skipped some zones |
| 21:13.50 | Twist- | if you try to do chains straight through, they're terrible |
| 21:13.57 | Pkekyo| | BLARBLAR |
| 21:14.10 | Pkekyo| | g'morning all |
| 21:14.16 | NightHawkAtWork | fuck off and die. |
| 21:14.20 | Firelemming | evening |
| 21:14.21 | NeoTron | point being, travel time before doing a group activiy isn't unique to WoW |
| 21:14.40 | RaydenUni | yeah but 5 min travel time vs 30 minutes to go grab your quests |
| 21:14.41 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: i dont think anyone said it iwas? |
| 21:14.43 | Elsia | tbc has much improved on the pre-instance running setup |
| 21:14.54 | Kivin | Anyone know what I mean when I say the serubina ferry wait time >< |
| 21:14.57 | RaydenUni | also just because its standard in mmo's doesnt mean it isn't bad |
| 21:14.58 | Kivin | Err... Selbina* |
| 21:15.05 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: well meant to say that in SWG it could take 30m simply waiting to get to places |
| 21:15.13 | RaydenUni | my biggest complain with BC quests is that you cannot share the daily heroic quest. why not? |
| 21:15.20 | RaydenUni | wellthen SWG fails even more |
| 21:15.20 | Twist- | RPGs are hideous time sinks as a genre |
| 21:15.21 | NeoTron | and that despite this WoW is better |
| 21:15.24 | Firelemming | my raidleader has a question for you guys for a mod/idea. is there a addon that can: An assignable buff list accessible by the raid if they have the mod, to keep track of which buffer has which group / class to buff with what. |
| 21:15.38 | Twist- | Firelemming: BigBrother used to do that |
| 21:15.50 | Kivin | Firelemming: PallyPower specifically for blessings |
| 21:15.52 | Firelemming | used? or still does? |
| 21:15.55 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: because you can pick up "mechanar daily" quest on an alt and keep sharing it every day |
| 21:15.59 | pastamancer | NeoTron: I'll raise you pre-Luclin everquest for worst travel times evar |
| 21:16.00 | Twist- | I don't know if it's still maintained |
| 21:16.05 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: so you can skip the hard dailies and just do the one you want to do |
| 21:16.08 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 21:16.10 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 21:16.14 | Firelemming | ok ill check out both addon, ty |
| 21:16.21 | RaydenUni | there are technical workarounds |
| 21:16.22 | Twist- | Heh.. I'm a mage. |
| 21:16.26 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: i thought dailies werent shareable? |
| 21:16.29 | RaydenUni | they aren't nightHawk |
| 21:16.40 | RaydenUni | NeoTron was telling me that's why |
| 21:16.41 | NightHawkAtWork | oh |
| 21:16.42 | Twist- | Raid buffing isn't complicated enough for me to need an addon |
| 21:16.45 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, i missed that |
| 21:16.54 | NightHawkAtWork | <-- is actually trying to work as well. >.> |
| 21:17.08 | RaydenUni | i always thought it was weird you can still do the daily heroic if you picked it up before and never did it |
| 21:17.10 | Firelemming | well i agree Twist, but he asked to look in to it |
| 21:17.39 | Twist- | bigbrother was for raid leaders.. a raid wide buff display so you could see who was missing buffs |
| 21:17.41 | Kivin | Buffing may be trivial, but for all the times i've been stuck with salv instead of wisdom as a healer, I wish more paladins would stop being scrubs and just get PP |
| 21:17.57 | Twist- | Pallies are a unique case |
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| 21:18.02 | RaydenUni | man gruul last week was terrible |
| 21:18.07 | RaydenUni | i *never* had salv and wisdom |
| 21:18.16 | Twist- | the buffs by class system is a giant pain in the ass |
| 21:18.17 | RaydenUni | the pallies always managed to forget one or the other |
| 21:18.21 | Kivin | I don't enter a raid instance any more without salv |
| 21:18.29 | RaydenUni | the raid leader would do a check and every time i |
| 21:18.31 | Kivin | Now that I'm ele spec |
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| 21:18.32 | Pkekyo| | I keep getting salvation on all my chars, even though none of them need it >.< |
| 21:18.34 | RaydenUni | d have to ask again for a bugg |
| 21:18.35 | RaydenUni | buff |
| 21:18.46 | NightHawkAtWork | Twist-: yeah, but the way their blessings work, by group would be silly :\\ |
| 21:18.52 | Kivin | If it were my raid, PalyPower would be a required addon for all paladins |
| 21:19.04 | Twist- | NightHawkAtWork: some provision for user-definable buff groups would be ideal |
| 21:19.21 | RaydenUni | for a raid it would be nice if they could give you a really long meta buff that persists through death. then they could do a "buff group generically" and based on your meta buff it would buff you appropriately |
| 21:19.31 | Twist- | or give me a single target version of my blessings that lasts 30 minutes |
| 21:19.35 | NightHawkAtWork | Twist-: agreed, but thats a lot of UI/design work that could arguably be beyond the scope of the base game |
| 21:19.45 | Twist- | for the same cost |
| 21:20.07 | Kivin | And while palys are getting a non-suq buff system, give shamans some love |
| 21:20.12 | Twist- | so it's easy to put salv on that one jackass ret pally |
| 21:20.23 | Kivin | Six seconds of back to back global cooldowns to buff, every single battle, is getting old |
| 21:20.29 | Firelemming | well basicly he askes for a list like: Salvation = NameOne, Wisdom = NameTwo. so you know who to whisper for what buff |
| 21:20.31 | NeoTron | one thing I really want is "make pet follow another person" |
| 21:20.41 | NeoTron | for the imp duty. just have it follow the tank kthxbye |
| 21:20.54 | Twist- | Firelemming: can I suggest a low tech solution? |
| 21:21.08 | Firelemming | sure |
| 21:21.09 | NightHawkAtWork | "write it the fuck down"? :P |
| 21:21.10 | Twist- | Firelemming: Have him make an /rw macro, and edit the text as needed. |
| 21:21.13 | RaydenUni | you just follow the tank as well |
| 21:21.22 | Kivin | Firelemming: Palypower makes it trivial. seriously. |
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| 21:21.34 | Firelemming | well indeed nighthawkatwork |
| 21:21.35 | Twist- | yeah, if pallies are all you're having problems with |
| 21:21.47 | Kivin | You shouldn't have problems with paws and forts |
| 21:21.54 | Firelemming | indeed kivin |
| 21:21.54 | Kivin | Ever |
| 21:22.00 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah |
| 21:22.11 | Twist- | we actually have another solution.. the pallies have a subchannel, and they figure it out themselves. |
| 21:22.14 | NightHawkAtWork | i think our pallies all use pally power voluntarily.. |
| 21:22.31 | Kivin | Twist-: That's all well and good, except when it takes ten minutes for your three paladins to sort it all out, and they still screw it up. |
| 21:22.32 | Twist- | Buffs aren't something the raid leader should have to dick around with. |
| 21:22.38 | Kivin | Seriously, any paladin without palypower doesn't desrve to raid |
| 21:22.45 | Firelemming | this is someting i sayed to him: pala buff, priest buff, mage buff, if the person sleeps while you are talking it doesnt mater how you ask.... |
| 21:22.46 | NightHawkAtWork | Twist-: agreed |
| 21:22.58 | Twist- | Kivin: I'd upgrade the paladins, if that was a continual problem. |
| 21:23.12 | Twist- | fortunately, it is now. |
| 21:23.14 | Twist- | er, not. |
| 21:23.30 | pastamancer | I'm not a fan of pallypower. It doesn't take that long to work out buffing even with 3-4 paladins |
| 21:23.34 | Firelemming | does palypower still works? |
| 21:23.42 | Twist- | Some run PP, some have mastered the art of paying attention. |
| 21:23.45 | Kivin | Yes, it does |
| 21:23.46 | Kivin | I use it daily |
| 21:23.49 | pastamancer | chat channels and actually communicating works wonders |
| 21:24.14 | NightHawkAtWork | pastamancer: FEH! why communicate with others in an mmog, when you can have a program do it for you.. |
| 21:24.15 | RaydenUni | "can i get wisdom please? again" |
| 21:24.19 | RaydenUni | after every wipe is annoying |
| 21:24.42 | Kivin | There's just too many moving parts to keeping the right buffs up 100% of the time. In my years and years of raiding, I've never seen it work. |
| 21:24.45 | pastamancer | NightHawkAtWork: indeed! I don't play MMOs to talk to other people |
| 21:25.00 | NightHawkAtWork | pastamancer: exactly. |
| 21:25.18 | Atriace | Now there's an idea. |
| 21:25.27 | Atriace | Write an addon that does the duties of a Class Leader. |
| 21:25.55 | Atriace | Then you practically don't have to play the game anymore. |
| 21:26.02 | Firelemming | lol Atriace, thats what i also sayed |
| 21:26.13 | Atriace | Doh. I missed it. >_< |
| 21:26.22 | Firelemming | not here |
| 21:26.24 | RaydenUni | the thing is buffing is sort of a trivial duty |
| 21:26.25 | Firelemming | in guld |
| 21:26.27 | RaydenUni | there's not much interesting gameplay or decicions there |
| 21:26.28 | Firelemming | guild* |
| 21:26.37 | Kivin | It should be trivial, but it isn't |
| 21:26.43 | RaydenUni | it is a good activity to be managed by software |
| 21:26.50 | Kivin | If I have to ask for a blessing even once over four hours of raiding, the paladins screwed up |
| 21:27.35 | RaydenUni | i had to ask after every wipe |
| 21:27.37 | RaydenUni | :( |
| 21:27.49 | Kivin | Then it most definitely isn't trivial |
| 21:27.53 | kagaro | aestil: ping |
| 21:28.05 | pastamancer | with two paladins, one gets kings the other gets wis/salv/might, with three it's kings, wis/might, salv/wis on hunters |
| 21:28.07 | Kivin | And your buffers need to stop being assholes and install one simple little addon |
| 21:28.37 | NightHawkAtWork | pastamancer: and with four, its the same, but with LIGHT FOR EVERYONE! |
| 21:28.49 | pastamancer | NightHawkAtWork: BoLoLight |
| 21:28.54 | Kivin | I fondly remember my MC raid days. Six paladins, every buff in the book. |
| 21:28.58 | aestil | kagaro: i'm curious about kgpanels, and i can't get on the forums right now. how long before its in trunk. |
| 21:29.03 | NeoTron | Kivin: 5 minute buffs! |
| 21:29.13 | kagaro | aestil: soon, waiting for more testing feedback |
| 21:29.15 | Kivin | NeoTron: I miss those 5 minute buffs |
| 21:29.18 | NightHawkAtWork | Kivin: i've done MC with seven pallys.. that was fun. (and yet, they still got outhealed by our priests >.>) |
| 21:29.24 | NeoTron | spending 60s per 5 minutes buffing the 40m raid |
| 21:29.34 | Kivin | Fucking a |
| 21:29.41 | Kivin | At least the paladins had to be concious of buffs |
| 21:29.47 | dieck | NightHawkAtWork: with 5 Palas it's most likely BoS for all, too :) |
| 21:29.52 | Kivin | Rather than making a total hackjob of it in my BC raids |
| 21:29.58 | kagaro | sb: did you do an update lately? i fixed some errors yesterday |
| 21:30.11 | dieck | NightHawkAtWork: ehm, Sanctuary. How's the abbreviation? BoS is Salvation, right? ;) |
| 21:30.29 | NightHawkAtWork | dieck: *shrug* whatever, i figured you meant sanctuary. :P |
| 21:30.36 | kagaro | aestil: im still working on a bug in teh guide frame when you scale panels |
| 21:31.03 | Kivin | dieck: Salv is salvation |
| 21:31.05 | sb | kagaro: hmm - updated today |
| 21:31.05 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.07 | NeoTron | or similar |
| 21:31.15 | kagaro | NeoTron: next generation |
| 21:31.28 | dieck | Kivin: yes, but in "Blessing of" form? BoSalv? like BoK, BoM, BoW, ... |
| 21:31.32 | kagaro | sb: do you have a pasty of the stack? |
| 21:31.43 | Kivin | Never seen salv abreviated as such |
| 21:31.45 | aestil | kagaro: the same weakness of eepanels just a limitation of the game. the numbered panels, and deleteing one in the middle will break the parenting of a bunch of other ones. |
| 21:31.49 | Kivin | It's just "salv" |
| 21:31.49 | NeoTron | kagaro: so what makes it better? |
| 21:32.05 | sb | kagaro: uhm - its disabled atm |
| 21:32.11 | kagaro | NeoTron: the core mod < 30k memory |
| 21:32.19 | kagaro | sb: /kgpanels enable |
| 21:32.22 | NeoTron | mind you I only use a single panel atm :P |
| 21:32.33 | sb | kagaro: nah, disabled addon :) |
| 21:32.38 | kagaro | NeoTron: better scripting, more texture options |
| 21:32.44 | kagaro | sb: k |
| 21:33.04 | kagaro | NeoTron: support rotation, flipping, mirroring, etc.. |
| 21:33.30 | NeoTron | so basically my single black panel without textures really won't be affected much :P |
| 21:33.37 | Firelemming | tbh, i told them to just download pallypower and use it -.- |
| 21:33.40 | kagaro | NeoTron: nope |
| 21:33.41 | aestil | kagaro: better scripting how? my biggest issue with eepanels currently is that my resizing script for GridLayoutFrame regularly 'forgets' to work and collapses down to the size of 1 panel, when I'm actually resizing 3. |
| 21:34.00 | kagaro | aestil: I posted a sample script |
| 21:34.33 | aestil | i am not literate in the ways of scripting. |
| 21:34.41 | aestil | is there like a 'bullet point' of whats better about it? |
| 21:34.48 | kagaro | aestil: it also syntax checks the script beofre loading it |
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| 21:34.59 | kagaro | aestil: not yet |
| 21:35.10 | kagaro | ill make a wiki entry once i release to trunk |
| 21:35.33 | kagaro | or you could read the faq in the config setup |
| 21:35.55 | aestil | i have no idea how to get stuff off of branches. |
| 21:36.13 | kagaro | NeoTron: I only really use 6 pnels myself, but hate seeing eePanels2 using 300-400k memory for 6 panels |
| 21:36.42 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer fails |
| 21:37.28 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: hmm? |
| 21:40.03 | keiss | gnomecharmer dev here ? |
| 21:40.45 | aestil | my eepanels is something like 1.8 MB |
| 21:40.54 | aestil | i'm sure that has something to do with scripts. |
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| 21:41.08 | Stanzilla | nah |
| 21:41.14 | Stanzilla | background textures are the real problem |
| 21:41.19 | Stanzilla | (imo) |
| 21:41.20 | aestil | Stanzilla: i use 0. |
| 21:41.28 | Stanzilla | ok that's nice :P |
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| 22:01.19 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: DogTag issues go under PB? |
| 22:01.26 | ckknight | that's fine |
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| 22:05.20 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63085 10kgPanelsConfig/kgPanelGuideFrame.lua: kgPanelsConfig: fixed guideframe for scaled frame placement |
| 22:05.33 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight http://jira.wowace.com/browse/PB-298 created :P |
| 22:06.07 | CIA-9 | 03firelemming * r63086 10RuinBossTactics_TK/tk.lua: |
| 22:06.07 | CIA-9 | RuinBossTactics_TK: |
| 22:06.07 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.19 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: why did you do ~IsPet? |
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| 22:07.21 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i don't know if you use a general pet check or not |
| 22:07.28 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht, are you STILL failing at tags? |
| 22:08.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: no, IsPlayerOrPet is bugged |
| 22:08.19 | Ellipsis | ckknight: that is a legitimate issue, unfortunately - it's been reported on the forums before |
| 22:08.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: also, the logical operators are not cleanly implemented: [22:33] <+ckknight> also, | has a lower order-of-operations priority than ? |
| 22:08.34 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 22:08.35 | Ellipsis | a player can evaluate true for [IsPlayer] and [~IsPlayerOrPet] at the same time |
| 22:08.37 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Ellipsis |
| 22:08.37 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of Ellipsis's pants |
| 22:08.42 | sag_ich_nicht | SureHP is made of fail Ellipsis |
| 22:08.51 | sag_ich_nicht | [Status] | [IsPlayerOrPet ? IsFriend ? SureHP ? FractionalHP:Short] [ [IsEnemy | ~IsPlayerOrPet | [IsPlayerOrPet ? ~SureHP]] ? PercentHP:Percent] |
| 22:08.59 | sag_ich_nicht | this is what i have to use now tto get what is needed :P |
| 22:09.02 | sag_ich_nicht | -t |
| 22:09.04 | Ellipsis | dude, you suck |
| 22:09.11 | sag_ich_nicht | no, SureHP sucks |
| 22:09.21 | Ellipsis | no, you suck at logic |
| 22:09.36 | Ellipsis | you've apparently never heard of an else case |
| 22:10.10 | Fisker- | haha monsterfail |
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| 22:10.37 | Tuller | indeed |
| 22:10.38 | CIA-9 | 03ascalia * r63087 10AtlasLoot/Instances/instances.en.lua: |
| 22:10.38 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot: |
| 22:10.38 | CIA-9 | - sunwell update |
| 22:10.54 | Fisker- | still haven't fixed trhe PTR's and there's a new build :P |
| 22:11.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: actually, this: [22:33] <+ckknight> also, | has a lower order-of-operations priority than ? makes DogTag fail at proper logic, Ellipsis, go ask Shirik|Ecole :P |
| 22:11.41 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r63088 10LibDogTag-2.0/Modules/Characteristics.lua: LibDogTag-2.0 - since UnitPlayerControlled("unit") is apparently bugged, check UnitIsPlayer and UnitPlayerOrPetInRaid as well. |
| 22:11.54 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: either shut up or post on the DogTag suggestions thread |
| 22:12.10 | ckknight | she knows about the issues, no need to harp on her about it |
| 22:12.33 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i will, i don't have the time now, Ellipsis started flaming me, not me her, i only told her SureHP is made of fail :P |
| 22:12.36 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks for the fix btw. |
| 22:12.38 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: erm, what about it? I know how the parsing works |
| 22:13.22 | ckknight | in DogTag-3.0, you won't be able to mix `and` and `or`, you'll be required to use parentheses |
| 22:13.24 | ckknight | so you know |
| 22:13.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: awesome stuff like this WOULD work, but doesn't: [~IsPlayerOrPet | PercentHP:Percent | [IsPlayerOrPet ? ~SureHP ? ~IsEnemy ? PercentHP:Percent]] |
| 22:14.07 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: that tag is wrong in so many ways |
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| 22:14.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: it would work, tho |
| 22:14.31 | Ellipsis | no it wouldn't, the [~IsPlayer Or Pet | PercentHP:Percent] would always return something |
| 22:14.35 | Ellipsis | before it ever got to the last part. |
| 22:14.37 | neenee | Does anyone know of a text-only unit frame addon? |
| 22:14.41 | neenee | ala linoleum? |
| 22:14.53 | ckknight | linoleum? |
| 22:14.59 | Gnarfoz | I'd suggest linoleum, then |
| 22:15.04 | ckknight | neenee: you could make one with DogTag pretty easily, to be honest |
| 22:15.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: http://wowi.pastey.net/83041 http://wowi.pastey.net/83044 fuck your theory |
| 22:15.10 | ckknight | neenee: or you use PitBull and disable all modules |
| 22:15.19 | ckknight | bam, you have a frame with text on it |
| 22:15.22 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 22:15.23 | neenee | Hm. Make an addon with dogtag? |
| 22:15.24 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: fuck my theory? fuck your mom! |
| 22:15.29 | Ellipsis | it's not a theory, it's how dogtag works |
| 22:15.30 | Ellipsis | try it |
| 22:15.55 | Ellipsis | evaluation of | is left to right; it stops when it hits the first non-blank return |
| 22:16.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: then dogtag is not following actual boolean logic, which has already been etablished above, thus: "WOULD work, but doesn't" |
| 22:16.02 | Ellipsis | PercentHP:Percent is ALWAYS a non-blank value |
| 22:16.10 | Ellipsis | no sag_ich_nicht |
| 22:16.14 | Ellipsis | that's not the reason your tag doesn't work |
| 22:16.31 | Ellipsis | the reason your tag doesn't work is that you're a moron |
| 22:16.41 | ckknight | yea, PercentHP:Percent is always a string, never nil |
| 22:16.44 | Firelemming | i need help with creating a keybinding for my addon. i know should be simpel but somehow it doesnt work how it suppost to be. i created a keybinding like what they say on wowwiki and also like how other addons do it, but some how i dont get a header in the keybindings screen, only the option. binding the key works perfercly, but not the header. http://ace.pastey.net/83047 |
| 22:16.58 | Fisker- | how far in is the black temple vendor btw? |
| 22:17.08 | Gnarfoz | also, "if DogTag used /this/ logic, then blort would work" isn't a proper argument if by purpose, it doesn't |
| 22:17.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: no, the point is, "if it used logic" vs. "the way it's now" |
| 22:17.55 | ckknight | DogTag's logic is fine, you're just using it improperly, afaict |
| 22:17.59 | Gnarfoz | if it was the way you wanted, your shit would work. obviously changing your shit is the way to go when it's NOT the way you want it. |
| 22:18.15 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: you are not thinking about the tag you posted correctly |
| 22:18.41 | Tuller | (true, (true, (true, (true, (true, false))))) |
| 22:18.42 | Ellipsis | proper logic dictates that it will return "true" or "100%", and fail to ever evaluate the last part of the tag |
| 22:18.49 | Kemayo | Firelemming: Do you define "BINDING_HEADER_RuinBossTactics" in your addon? |
| 22:18.57 | Ellipsis | and guess what, it does! |
| 22:19.14 | Firelemming | yes Kemayo |
| 22:19.43 | Tuller | [nocombat,mouseover]{color=red,MONKEYS} |
| 22:20.06 | Atriace | Anyone know where I can find documentation on RegisterStateDriver? |
| 22:20.34 | Ellipsis | it's ok, the men in the white coats are your friend |
| 22:20.39 | Ellipsis | +s |
| 22:20.40 | Atriace | doh, wrong channel. |
| 22:20.51 | pastamancer | Atriace: in SecureStateHeader.lua? |
| 22:20.52 | Kemayo | Firelemming: Hm. I'm afraid that I have no idea, in that case. |
| 22:20.56 | Tuller | Atriace: the answer is securestateheader.lua |
| 22:21.09 | Atriace | Ah, good enough. Thanks. :) |
| 22:21.14 | Firelemming | k, ill search furtere, ty for looking at it |
| 22:22.01 | Tuller | RegisterStateDriver(frame, 'state', 'header') |
| 22:22.09 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: also, I'm just reading my scrollback, and you're a moron. |
| 22:22.17 | Primer | Seems there's no way to add a link to a curse.com project description |
| 22:22.22 | charon | there's some irony in calling each other names over a logic argument |
| 22:22.29 | Ellipsis | I never said SureHP would work the same as IsPlayerOrPet?IsFriend? |
| 22:22.37 | Ellipsis | I said it was *what you wanted* |
| 22:22.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: which it wasn't. |
| 22:22.51 | Ellipsis | because it was, the way you described it |
| 22:22.51 | sag_ich_nicht | oh snap |
| 22:23.11 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. thanks from my friend for fixing that ckknight |
| 22:23.17 | Ellipsis | what I said was functionally equivalent to your tag was using the else section instead of negating your entire condition in a second tag |
| 22:23.32 | Ellipsis | and it was, and still is |
| 22:24.09 | Gnarfoz | ~emulate sag_ich_nicht |
| 22:24.09 | purl | because i am retarded |
| 22:24.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: except no, because if LibMobHealth has data on the mob, SureHP will change it's opinion |
| 22:24.22 | CIA-9 | 03firelemming * r63089 10RuinBossTactics_SSC/ (RuinBossTactics_SSC.toc ssc.lua): |
| 22:24.22 | CIA-9 | RuinBossTactics_SSC: |
| 22:24.22 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.22 | sag_ich_nicht | so: it wasn't what i wanted |
| 22:24.29 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: well don't run lmh then |
| 22:24.33 | Tuller | libmobhealth is evil |
| 22:24.51 | Gnarfoz | I just wonder who wrote that ;D |
| 22:24.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: uhm, if i wanted it used for other stuff, i'll have it run. |
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| 22:25.07 | Ellipsis | used for other stuff? |
| 22:25.29 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. you know. showing something different in the focus frame than in the target frame. |
| 22:25.40 | ckknight | Tuller: how? |
| 22:25.50 | Ellipsis | right... |
| 22:25.51 | Tuller | its a library! |
| 22:25.55 | ckknight | also: you're free to remove it |
| 22:25.57 | ckknight | without issue |
| 22:26.07 | ckknight | Tuller: I don't see the problem |
| 22:26.11 | Tuller | it was a perfectly good addon beforehand :P |
| 22:26.22 | Ellipsis | well would it make you happy if there was a tag like KnownHP that returned true only if the value was known through Blizz, skipping LMH altogether? |
| 22:26.23 | CIA-9 | 03firelemming * r63090 10RuinBossTactics/ (. RuinBossTactics.lua RuinBossTactics.toc): |
| 22:26.23 | CIA-9 | RuinBossTactics: |
| 22:26.23 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.38 | ckknight | except that it was required to be an external addon instead of having the ability to be embedded |
| 22:26.52 | ckknight | note that LibMobHealth-4.0 works fine as an external addon |
| 22:27.07 | Primer | Kaelten: Is it possible to link videos in a curse.com project description? Or is there some special way of doing this, like, in screenshots? |
| 22:27.34 | Kaelten | hrm, it actually might be possible using a special tag |
| 22:27.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: wouldn't make me happy since there are little things that cause this state in me nowadays, but it would certainly be a welcome addition. |
| 22:27.49 | Kaelten | check the video page for a share box |
| 22:27.51 | Primer | Kaelten: what is this special, enigmatic, tag? |
| 22:27.55 | Primer | ok |
| 22:28.04 | Primer | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/11457/ <-- my addon |
| 22:28.07 | Primer | on curse! |
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| 22:28.12 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 22:28.16 | Tuller | ckknight for what reason does it need to be embedded? |
| 22:28.21 | Kaelten | nice hud |
| 22:28.22 | Kaelten | lol |
| 22:28.28 | Tuller | its very much an either or situation :) |
| 22:28.32 | Tuller | "I want mobhealth or I don't |
| 22:28.43 | Tuller | not "I want to install unitframe X which comes with mobhealth" |
| 22:28.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Tuller: no it isn't, look: |
| 22:28.58 | sag_ich_nicht | [Status] | [IsPlayerOrPet ? IsFriend ? SureHP ? FractionalHP:Short] [ [IsEnemy | ~IsPlayerOrPet | [IsPlayerOrPet ? ~SureHP]] ? PercentHP:Percent] |
| 22:28.59 | ckknight | Tuller: lots of users complained to me about needing an external addon for it |
| 22:29.01 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 22:29.03 | Atriace | Oh hey ckknight. :) |
| 22:29.04 | Primer | I can find no "share" in the video page |
| 22:29.11 | ckknight | okay, I need to get back to work |
| 22:29.13 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: what if the tag was added AND you got laid? |
| 22:29.17 | Ellipsis | would *that* make you happy? |
| 22:29.28 | Tuller | ckknight: well that would in theory be playing to the pitbull audience |
| 22:29.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: depends on how the later comes about |
| 22:30.00 | Kaelten | Primer: ya I don't see it either, |
| 22:30.11 | sag_ich_nicht | (no pun intended) |
| 22:30.21 | Tuller | sag_ich_nicht: huh? |
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| 22:36.30 | Tuller | perhaps...there's a reason to have multiple copies running? |
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| 22:36.45 | Tuller | you could stick it in cowtip, I guess |
| 22:37.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: justed tested it, works like a charm, thanks again from my guildie and me :) |
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| 22:38.10 | Tuller | but mobhealth to me has always been the case of, "a perfect example of when _not_ to make a library" |
| 22:38.29 | pastamancer | Tuller: downloading addons is hard *pout* |
| 22:39.18 | mathuin | How do I disable Closetgnome switching in a macro? |
| 22:39.24 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r63091 10Recount/GUI_Detail.lua: |
| 22:39.24 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 22:39.24 | CIA-9 | - Fixed color dependency of details window. |
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| 22:43.13 | Kaelten | Primer: try <video>id</video> |
| 22:44.38 | NeoTron | http://sa.mrbill.net/bullets.jpg <-- full of win and accuracy in reportin |
| 22:44.52 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.59 | NeoTron | but I found it funny as I hadn't seen it before |
| 22:48.14 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: huh, I don't get what's with that pic |
| 22:48.27 | mathuin | The bullets are still in their casings. |
| 22:48.32 | mathuin | They obviously were not fired. |
| 22:48.39 | mathuin | I wonder if the troops threw them at her. :-P |
| 22:48.52 | Grum | along with some stones perhaps |
| 22:49.02 | mathuin | When the gun goes off, the only part that would be in her house would be the top half-inch. |
| 22:49.10 | Tuller | pastamancer: exactly, you're downloading an addon, not a library :) |
| 22:49.24 | Gnarfoz | well, there's a reason I chose civil service instead of military ;D |
| 22:50.03 | NeoTron | unless the bullets were thrown at her rather than fired |
| 22:50.21 | Grum | or she has her own stock and sells em ... which is way more logical |
| 22:50.29 | mathuin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bullet.svg |
| 22:50.34 | Primer | Kaelten: ok |
| 22:50.37 | keiss | NeoTron: thats rofl |
| 22:50.42 | NeoTron | also, for the real geeky, those are apparently not even american military rounds but either civilian or ak47 rounds >:-) |
| 22:50.43 | mathuin | The bit that kills ya is labeled 1. |
| 22:50.49 | keiss | maybe they threw them at her |
| 22:51.18 | NeoTron | this one is more shocking though http://suitablyflip.blogs.com/suitably_flip/2007/08/afp-fake-but-te.html |
| 22:51.34 | Kaelten | Primer: tell me if it works though |
| 22:51.37 | Grum | tbh, it would be way more fun if the whole casing would fly |
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| 22:51.53 | Primer | Kaelten: it in-lined it |
| 22:52.01 | Primer | I was hoping for a link, but this will do |
| 22:52.20 | Kaelten | cool |
| 22:52.44 | Primer | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/11457/ |
| 22:52.45 | Primer | there is it |
| 22:52.49 | Primer | it is, even |
| 22:53.48 | Kaelten | nice |
| 22:53.55 | Kaelten | even manages to look right in the layout |
| 22:54.41 | Primer | yeah, it looks great |
| 22:55.14 | Kaelten | judging by the filename its on wowace? |
| 22:56.21 | Kaelten | nice code looks pretty clean overall too |
| 22:56.37 | Kaelten | *will be installing when he gets home* |
| 22:56.41 | Primer | yes, it started on wowace |
| 22:57.23 | Primer | I plan to add cartographer style waypoints next |
| 22:57.39 | Kaelten | cool |
| 22:57.49 | Primer | but they'll float in the HUD, and show arrows if you're not facing it within the HUD arc |
| 22:58.00 | Kaelten | right that sounds better |
| 22:58.16 | Kaelten | they should be green too ;) |
| 22:59.03 | Dashkal | Ok, that thing is hot (flighthud) |
| 22:59.29 | Primer | I'd like to make the graphics a neutral color so I can add a color picker to color them |
| 22:59.37 | NeoTron | know what else is hot? A wowace svn account! ;-) |
| 22:59.45 | Primer | but as of now the graphics are green too |
| 23:00.00 | vhaarr | NeoTron: feel free to contribute to NRT, I'd love to see some patches |
| 23:00.14 | vhaarr | NeoTron: I'm not really motivated to add new features at this point, maybe I will in time |
| 23:00.37 | Kaelten | ya I'm going to be doing svn reqs in a little bit |
| 23:00.42 | Kaelten | got a push I need to do at work first |
| 23:00.52 | pastamancer | vhaarr: having never used NRT, does it allow you to query dkp values in-game? |
| 23:01.22 | vhaarr | pastamancer: dkp values for what, the answer to your question is 'maybe' |
| 23:01.27 | NeoTron | vhaarr: I might have to hack it myself then. CT_RT is just driving me nuts |
| 23:01.37 | pastamancer | vhaarr: current dkp for a player? |
| 23:01.45 | vhaarr | pastamancer: ah, it doesn't deal with that |
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| 23:02.12 | vhaarr | pastamancer: it's neutral to the dkp system, so it wouldn't know where to start |
| 23:02.22 | vhaarr | people use it with all sorts of systems |
| 23:02.45 | vhaarr | pastamancer: my other dkp addon, bananadkp, does that though |
| 23:03.00 | vhaarr | pastamancer: because it is centered around the dkp system, which is quite unique |
| 23:03.12 | Elsia | ~seen arrowmaster |
| 23:03.16 | purl | arrowmaster is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace #wowwiki. Has said a total of 163 messages. Is idling for 1h 54m 8s, last said: 'brd is a great instance'. |
| 23:03.16 | pastamancer | vhaarr: ah, so I guess you wouldn't be interested in code from my private dkp addon that allows you to copy/paste from the eqdkp standings page and then query in-game via a chat-bot like interface? |
| 23:03.22 | NeoTron | CT_RT randomly seems to pick the ppl for the previous kill rather than the ones for the current one |
| 23:03.28 | Primer | I posted to the wow forums asking for Z axis and true player pitch: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4976468006&postId=49758503348&sid=1#0 |
| 23:03.34 | Primer | someone second that for me, please :) |
| 23:03.38 | vhaarr | pastamancer: I might |
| 23:03.38 | NeoTron | pastamancer: I use an addon ShowDKP taht does that |
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| 23:03.46 | vhaarr | ah |
| 23:03.54 | vhaarr | if there's another addon for that already, I guess it's fine |
| 23:04.00 | vhaarr | NeoTron: is showdkp good enough? |
| 23:04.08 | NeoTron | although not entirely perfect for my needs, it does show it (but the addon itself is built to handle fixed DKP bidding) |
| 23:04.19 | vhaarr | hrm |
| 23:04.30 | Primer | I wonder how hard it'd be for them to provide altitude (that being the distance between you and the ground directly below you) |
| 23:04.30 | NeoTron | it gives an ingame list that ppl chan query me from |
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| 23:04.39 | vhaarr | Primer: impossible |
| 23:04.39 | NeoTron | but it's rather annoying since it doesn't filter whispers for example |
| 23:04.56 | NeoTron | Primer: fall off and time how long until you go splat |
| 23:05.00 | NeoTron | then you can tell ;-) |
| 23:05.10 | Primer | vhaarr: I figured. I'll just have to scout all of outland and create a db |
| 23:05.19 | vhaarr | hah |
| 23:05.24 | vhaarr | yeah then you could tell based on coordinates |
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| 23:05.27 | Primer | presuming they at least give out elevation (from a theoretical "sea level") |
| 23:05.32 | vhaarr | they don't |
| 23:05.33 | pastamancer | NeoTron: ah, my addon doesn't handle bidding, just querying, loot tracking, and attendance snapshots |
| 23:06.07 | pastamancer | sanitizing it before I toss it on pastey |
| 23:06.14 | Primer | vhaarr: I know they don't. I meant that in the context of my post requesting that they do |
| 23:06.22 | Elsia | my raid group uses a custom made showdkp.. it's nice in that it enforces our bidding rules and automatically updates eqdkp standings from bidding results |
| 23:06.45 | Aens|Superiority | is armory working for anyone else right now? |
| 23:06.49 | pastamancer | oh, and alt/main merging... that drove me nuts with eqdkp |
| 23:06.54 | Elsia | you can query dkp standing too but the really neat feature is the bidding, it'll simply say when you don't have enough to bid more |
| 23:07.01 | NeoTron | pastamancer: so you actually have a dkp tracking addon? |
| 23:07.10 | NeoTron | how does it differ from say NRT? |
| 23:07.17 | NeoTron | does it do that sort of tracking? or just past loot? |
| 23:07.38 | pastamancer | NeoTron: it's hella simple so I don't have to alt-tab to check the eqdkp site |
| 23:08.18 | pastamancer | oh, and I guess it auto-calculates item costs since we use an ilevel * slot mod formula |
| 23:08.39 | NeoTron | yeah we don't used fixed DKP |
| 23:09.44 | pastamancer | feel free to steal anything interesting from my code http://ace.pastey.net/83048 |
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| 23:12.35 | Yssaril | the origin of a texture (coordinate wise in wow) is bottom left correct? |
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| 23:13.52 | aestil | kagaro: how long til kgpanels goes to trunk, educated guess? |
| 23:16.01 | Primer | Linux mimir 2.6.14 #1 SMP Tue Nov 1 20:39:10 GMT 2005 x86_64 AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 248 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 23:16.04 | Primer | 23:15:16 up 634 days, 7:44, 7 users, load average: 0.30, 0.33, 0.50 |
| 23:16.05 | Primer | oops, wrong channel :) |
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| 23:16.16 | CIA-9 | 03firelemming * r63092 10RuinBossTactics/ (RuinBossTactics.lua RuinBossTactics.toc): |
| 23:16.16 | CIA-9 | RuinBossTactics: |
| 23:16.16 | CIA-9 | - Moved Ruin information to a separate file |
| 23:16.16 | CIA-9 | - Added change log information to the About page |
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| 23:16.32 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Antiarc] by ChanServ |
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| 23:22.19 | Yssaril | Wobin_: ping |
| 23:22.59 | Daemona | another boss mod? |
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| 23:23.30 | kenlyric | no, a boss tactics mod :) |
| 23:24.04 | Daemona | based on what tactics? there are quite a few different approaches ;) |
| 23:24.18 | kenlyric | probably the tactics Ruin uses |
| 23:24.24 | Firelemming | exactly |
| 23:24.37 | Firelemming | most of them are edited versions of wowwiki |
| 23:24.37 | aestil | cause there aren't a billion guilds named ruin. |
| 23:24.39 | kenlyric | pretty sure i've seen other ruin-specific mods |
| 23:24.41 | Daemona | hehe ok |
| 23:24.56 | kenlyric | I think there's only one that makes mods on the Ace svn :) |
| 23:24.57 | Daemona | or even battlegroups ;) |
| 23:25.08 | Firelemming | :) |
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| 23:25.35 | Daemona | could have been an addon the fuxx up bigwigs and dbm to Ruin em ;) |
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| 23:26.28 | aestil | so this golden compass movie is terrible. |
| 23:26.32 | aestil | just terrible. |
| 23:27.01 | Antiarc | aestil: Blip it! :P |
| 23:27.09 | aestil | blip? |
| 23:27.15 | Antiarc | Have I not shown you blippr? |
| 23:27.25 | aestil | no. |
| 23:27.26 | Antiarc | http://www.blippr.com/ <-- my project |
| 23:27.34 | Antiarc | PM me an email and I'll hook you up with an invite |
| 23:28.38 | Kalroth | Can you troll there? |
| 23:28.51 | Antiarc | Likely :P |
| 23:29.01 | Antiarc | If anyone else wants an invite, just PM me an email and I'll fire one off |
| 23:29.19 | Ellipsis | oh god, the web 2.0 |
| 23:29.22 | Ellipsis | it burnsssss |
| 23:29.24 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 23:29.25 | Antiarc | Heheh |
| 23:29.30 | Antiarc | web 2.0 sells, even if it is cliche. |
| 23:29.51 | Arrowmaster | wtf no openid login? |
| 23:29.51 | Ellipsis | seriously though, "blippr"? |
| 23:30.01 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: You try finding a 6-letter domain. :P |
| 23:30.05 | Kalroth | I got plenty of blips on my playlist, I'm not sure I'd like a social network blipping too |
| 23:30.11 | Gnarfoz | wtf openid? |
| 23:30.12 | pastamancer | I blame the Web 2.0 random name generator |
| 23:30.24 | lagger | is party1focustarget a valid unit? |
| 23:30.29 | Ellipsis | no lagger |
| 23:30.30 | Antiarc | I have openid support in the framework, but I haven't exposed it yet since it's invite-only |
| 23:30.38 | Ellipsis | you can't use other people's focus targets |
| 23:30.41 | lagger | bleh |
| 23:30.54 | Arrowmaster | well give me an invite for the hell of it |
| 23:31.18 | Fin | ~seen schelli |
| 23:31.21 | purl | i haven't seen 'schelli', Fin |
| 23:31.30 | Arrowmaster | and when you enable openid i can tell you if youve fucked up or not since i have two i-names |
| 23:31.33 | Fin | does anyone know a decent fubar plugin that shows cooldowns? |
| 23:31.37 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: *grin* |
| 23:31.38 | Gnarfoz | is openid some kind of approach for centralized login where I trust someone else to keep my identity safe, instead of doing it myself? |
| 23:31.40 | Antiarc | PM me an email |
| 23:31.55 | Antiarc | Gnarfoz: It's more the idea that you can use any URL you own to authenticate as you on another site. |
| 23:32.10 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 23:32.21 | Firelemming | ~seen Brimm |
| 23:32.23 | purl | brimm <n=brimm@modemcable013.240-21-96.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 19d 3h 31m 45s ago, saying: 'Basically, it adds a single frame with 3 values: current % of tank's threat, current delta with tank's threat and estimated time to pull 100% threat at current TPS'. |
| 23:32.36 | Gnarfoz | sounds... different? ^^ gotta check that out some ti me |
| 23:33.33 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63093 10BananaDKP/type/Symphony.lua: |
| 23:33.33 | CIA-9 | BananaDKP: |
| 23:33.33 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.33 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.45 | Antiarc | OpenID is really unwieldy, to me |
| 23:33.55 | Antiarc | Great idea, really clunky implementation. |
| 23:34.03 | Elsia | arrow: planning to add pet-owner identification to LibGUIDRegistry once we got UnitGUID()? |
| 23:34.09 | vhaarr | openid had too many cooks I think |
| 23:34.23 | Antiarc | vhaarr: Agreed. |
| 23:34.34 | Antiarc | It fails massively in being accessable to the "grandma on the internet" user type. |
| 23:34.41 | vhaarr | yeah |
| 23:34.41 | Antiarc | It's really only for geeks and early adopters. |
| 23:35.09 | Daemona | anyone here using a n52 TE ? |
| 23:35.34 | Arrowmaster | 1.0 spec has issues, 2.0 spec is ok but yeah a little unwieldy, 3.0 spec is suppost to be a lot better but no timeline on it |
| 23:36.01 | vhaarr | I didn't even know there was a 2.0 and 3.0 |
| 23:36.08 | vhaarr | I looked at 1.0 for implementation in a java portal server |
| 23:36.11 | vhaarr | but ditched it fast |
| 23:36.44 | vhaarr | years ago though |
| 23:36.47 | Arrowmaster | 2.0 is a lot better than 1.0 |
| 23:37.03 | vhaarr | yeah 1.0 had just been revealed then, it's many years ago |
| 23:37.21 | Arrowmaster | but ive seen libraries that dont even handle xri properly in 2.0 |
| 23:37.49 | vhaarr | and I think the way people implement it is wrong as well |
| 23:37.59 | vhaarr | it just confuses people when you have an EXTRA login box for openid |
| 23:38.00 | doc^blup | i use an old n52 |
| 23:38.24 | vhaarr | what you should do is try to auth vs openid first and if that fails, auth vs local db |
| 23:38.28 | vhaarr | with the same login box |
| 23:38.54 | Arrowmaster | i created a plaxo account or something using my i-name and first time i logged in it was like Hello xri://!A1CC.B4A6.... |
| 23:40.02 | Arrowmaster | i fixed it in the profile settings or something but i still think it says 'Hello xri://=arrowmaster' |
| 23:40.15 | Antiarc | See |
| 23:40.17 | Arrowmaster | instead of just =arrowmaster |
| 23:40.21 | Antiarc | That's just super unwieldy |
| 23:40.25 | Antiarc | Even =arrowmaster is unwieldy. |
| 23:40.36 | Antiarc | That's two tokens to most people, not one. |
| 23:40.36 | Arrowmaster | =arrowmaster is my i-name |
| 23:40.42 | Antiarc | And people like their logins to be one token, generally. |
| 23:41.02 | Arrowmaster | i just type =arrowmaster in any openid login box |
| 23:41.59 | Firelemming | if i want to create a macro for the following: Cast a spell on my focus but when i dont have a focus cast it on my target. how would it look like? |
| 23:42.02 | Daemona | doc^blup me too, was asking because i was wondering if its worth "upgrading" cause mine is worn out. |
| 23:42.16 | Ellipsis | Firelemming: /cast [target=focus, exists] [] Spell Name |
| 23:42.30 | Arrowmaster | most openid users dont have i-names though so they have to input an http uri |
| 23:42.39 | Pheredhel | Firelemming, \cast [target=focus,exists]Spell;Spell |
| 23:42.43 | Pheredhel | something like that |
| 23:42.49 | Firelemming | ty Ellipsis |
| 23:42.51 | doc^blup | then you can decide for yourself^^ |
| 23:42.51 | Pheredhel | ok Ellipsis was faster ^^ |
| 23:46.47 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63094 10aX_RaidStatus/RaidStatusCore.lua: |
| 23:46.47 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 23:46.47 | CIA-9 | - Changed: New Debug Message to Spam based on groups. |
| 23:46.54 | Elsia | is there a difference between partypet1 and party1pet? |
| 23:47.32 | pastamancer | Elsia: one of them works and the other one doesn't? |
| 23:48.00 | Elsia | why is roster going for both, I thought partypet1 was correct myself |
| 23:48.03 | Tuller | partypet1 works |
| 23:48.05 | Elsia | rosterlib-2.2 that is |
| 23:48.12 | Elsia | er 2.1 |
| 23:48.14 | Tuller | because party1pet is how it sould be |
| 23:48.17 | Tuller | err should be |
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| 23:48.28 | Yssaril | damn wtb http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/22/optimus-maximus-at-long-last-we-bring-one-home-to-test/ |
| 23:48.29 | Tuller | it just happened to come before they implemented the logical system |
| 23:48.31 | Elsia | well agreed to that too |
| 23:48.33 | Hjalte | Elsia: Me and my friend are discussing how Recount does the DPS stat, can you enlighten us? |
| 23:48.35 | vhaarr | yes they both work |
| 23:48.50 | NeoTron | Yssaril: it seems like from a keyboard aspect it sucks |
| 23:48.54 | vhaarr | party1pet is the 'correct' one as far as I'm concerned |
| 23:48.57 | Elsia | hjalte: dps is damage over time in combat in recount |
| 23:48.57 | pastamancer | partypet1 works? oh, right... I had forgotten |
| 23:48.57 | NeoTron | plus it is a $1500 keyboard :P |
| 23:49.06 | Daemona | Yssaril sorry, not for 1.5k bucks |
| 23:49.07 | Fisker- | btw |
| 23:49.14 | Hjalte | Elsia: So Damage Done divided by Fight Length? |
| 23:49.15 | Yssaril | NeoTron: strill wiked awsome concept |
| 23:49.18 | Fisker- | anyone know if the auction house dump is back or does it still crash clients? |
| 23:49.31 | Elsia | the realtime dps meter uses a different approach though to get "instant" dps |
| 23:49.39 | NeoTron | Yssaril: one might initially think so, and it does have uses, but how often do you really _look_ at your keyboard? |
| 23:49.42 | CIA-9 | 03sayclub * r63095 10GridStatusGroupnumber/ (GridStatusGroupnumber.toc Locale-koKR.lua): |
| 23:49.42 | CIA-9 | GridStatusGroupnumber: |
| 23:49.42 | CIA-9 | - add locals koKR |
| 23:49.44 | Elsia | hjalte: yeah |
| 23:50.09 | Daemona | Yssaril well the concept is at least 5 years old and considered vaporware till art lebedev announced they are cooperating with an asian lcd factory |
| 23:50.22 | Hjalte | Elsia: So when I am looking at the "Damage Done" tab in-fight it's instant dps and when I am looking at the same tab after fight it's total dps? |
| 23:50.43 | Hjalte | Elsia: Or average dps* |
| 23:50.50 | Elsia | pasta: I see, rosterlib makes party1pet and partypet1 available, but scans partypet1 |
| 23:50.51 | NeoTron | the keyboard sells for $500 |
| 23:50.57 | NeoTron | with one OLED display (spacebar) |
| 23:51.06 | NeoTron | then you can buy more "active keys" for $10 each |
| 23:51.07 | Elsia | hjalte: no |
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| 23:51.36 | Elsia | hjalte: bars are always per fight lenght, but realtime window DPS display (the graph ones) are instant dps |
| 23:52.09 | Pkekyo| | "Blondes have more fun...They also have more VD" :> |
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| 23:52.46 | pastamancer | Elsia: it's been forever since I touched rosterlib :( |
| 23:52.48 | WobWork | I'd like recount to have 'raiddps' |
| 23:52.54 | WobWork | or partydps I guess |
| 23:52.56 | CIA-9 | 03werehamster * r63096 10IFrameManager/Frames/Overlay.lua: IFrameManager: apparently frame stata HIGH wasn't high enough, bumped to DIALOG. |
| 23:53.26 | Elsia | wob: yeah it's on the wishlist, but I'm not adding features until the 2.4 transition is complete |
| 23:53.51 | CIA-9 | 03sayclub * r63097 10GridStatusHealPriority/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 23:53.51 | CIA-9 | GridStatusHealPriority: |
| 23:53.51 | CIA-9 | - koKR Update |
| 23:53.51 | Hjalte | Elsia: Then explain how my dps can be higher than someone elses, and we do the same damage output? I'm looking at the dps number inside the brackets on "Damage Done". |
| 23:54.28 | Elsia | hjalte: time in combat is different |
| 23:54.35 | CIA-9 | 03morgalm * r63098 10Incubator/ (Core.lua IncubatorFuBar.lua): |
| 23:54.35 | CIA-9 | Incubator: |
| 23:54.35 | CIA-9 | - Fixed candybars to display properly and resume properly when reentering a tracked zone |
| 23:54.51 | Hjalte | Elsia: Ah, so my friend was longer in-combat than me on the same fight? |
| 23:54.55 | Elsia | yes |
| 23:55.20 | smoke__ | is there a mod to modify the zone map? |
| 23:56.51 | Hjalte | Elsia: Hmm, doesn't that penalize eg. melee dps who starts autoattacking early as opposed to casters? |
| 23:57.33 | Fin | does strength affect a voidwalker's AP? |
| 23:57.35 | Elsia | the point isn't "fairness" the point is representation of how much damage was done over time, you can do what recap does and what wob requests, which is calculate dps over the combat time of the group |
| 23:57.48 | Fin | modify in what way? |
| 23:57.51 | Elsia | but then suddenly dps is just a scaled version of total damage and carries no extra information |
| 23:57.53 | WobWork | It's an accurate measure |
| 23:58.07 | WobWork | it's just an accurate measure of a metric you're not fully grasping |
| 23:59.21 | Fin | damage per second (in combat) |
| 23:59.22 | WobWork | Raid DPS is a broad metric for raidleaders to figure out if they're capable of succeeding in that particular raid |
| 23:59.23 | Fin | DPSIC |
| 23:59.54 | WobWork | If it's too low, -then- then can drill down to the individual dps metrics and make decisions based on that |
