| 00:00.26 | WobWork | it's like: 'We need XXXXX raid dps to kill this boss" or "We're doing omgwtfX raid dps! Good work!" |
| 00:00.42 | kergoth | argh, i just tried to use /w instead of /msg in irc |
| 00:00.57 | WobWork | kergoth: Did you press 'escape' to cancel the chat? =) |
| 00:01.03 | kergoth | hahah, no |
| 00:01.05 | Elsia | ah I misunderstood, yeah raid dps as in WWS, that's requested too, not adding it until 2.4 transition is stable either... there is a raid DPS realtime window though |
| 00:01.37 | pastamancer | kergoth: /alias w msg ? |
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| 00:01.51 | Elsia | that has nothing to do with dps formula though, it's just total damage output over combat duration |
| 00:01.59 | kergoth | bah, xchat has no /alias |
| 00:02.03 | Elsia | i.e. what hjalte was asking |
| 00:02.23 | pastamancer | kergoth: irssi! |
| 00:02.46 | kergoth | i've thought about going back to irssi |
| 00:02.55 | kergoth | but first i want a script to generate an irssi color scheme from my vim color scheme |
| 00:02.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:03.55 | WobWork | kergoth: Uhh |
| 00:04.04 | WobWork | then we'd see you try to quit IRC with :wq |
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| 00:04.21 | kergoth | i want to close a browser window that way |
| 00:04.35 | Cryect | so is PTR back up yet? |
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| 00:04.53 | kergoth | kergoth@hawkins AddOns master!7e4fcf9$ cat /home/kergoth/.vimtodircolors | grep -v "^#" | head -n 5 |
| 00:04.53 | kergoth | NORMAL Normal |
| 00:04.53 | kergoth | FILE Normal |
| 00:04.53 | kergoth | DIR Comment |
| 00:04.54 | kergoth | FIFO Operator |
| 00:05.04 | Hjalte | Cryect: You mean EU, or did US go down? |
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| 00:05.13 | durcyn | Cryect: except for the 15 minute shutdown that was just initiated.. |
| 00:05.17 | Cryect | Well I've not tried to be on it since yesterday |
| 00:05.29 | Cryect | so wasn't sure if it was ever brought up |
| 00:05.43 | Cryect | just got home from work |
| 00:06.16 | Elsia | uuh, they fixed the EU account login bug, no server up but it takes my password again |
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| 00:09.31 | Hjalte | When anyone finds out about any LT changes, yell out :) |
| 00:10.10 | Firelemming | bah, this doesnt work: /cast [target=raid2] Arcane Intellect |
| 00:12.28 | kagaro | aestil: maybe 2 weeks |
| 00:12.48 | aestil | kagaro: i look forward to it. |
| 00:13.07 | kagaro | im hoping a few more people try it out and help cacth any more bugs |
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| 00:18.00 | Firelemming | when using /cast [target=raid2] Arcane Intellect this it works, but what does blizz do to see what is raid2? i mean is it a slot number or a alfabatical, join time? |
| 00:18.07 | Zhinjio | Good afternoon, ckknight. |
| 00:18.12 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 00:18.39 | pastamancer | Firelemming: its not really predictable I don't think |
| 00:18.58 | Zhinjio | Good afternoon. Its a greeting. Pretty common in these here parts. |
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| 00:19.22 | Firelemming | hmm, bah, is there a way to select a person in a certain group to cast a buff on the group? |
| 00:19.58 | Firelemming | in a macro that is |
| 00:20.31 | pastamancer | don't think so |
| 00:20.57 | Firelemming | bah :( |
| 00:21.19 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63099 10aX_RaidStatus/ (RaidStatusCore.lua aX_RaidStatus.toc): |
| 00:21.19 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 00:21.19 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Problem with players not being added to the list. |
| 00:21.29 | pastamancer | you could use the character's name, but I don't think you can get the n'th person in group x |
| 00:21.40 | Firelemming | wonder why there is such a thing like raidN and partyN |
| 00:21.48 | Firelemming | if it is random |
| 00:21.59 | Ellipsis | to uniquely identify them? |
| 00:22.05 | pastamancer | how else would you identify them? |
| 00:22.05 | Ellipsis | it's not just used in macros, you know :P |
| 00:22.05 | CIA-9 | 03ulic * r63100 10LittleWigs/ (22 files in 4 dirs): LittleWigs: Started adding CombatListeners for 2.4 compat |
| 00:22.16 | Yssaril | Firelemming: so you can iterate over them without knowing their names :) |
| 00:22.35 | Firelemming | yes but how do you know in what group that person is? |
| 00:23.00 | pastamancer | GetRaidRosterInfo(index) |
| 00:23.07 | Yssaril | fire you can find out with more code but not if you want to use it in a macro |
| 00:23.11 | Firelemming | if it would be a slot number its logical but random is wierd :P |
| 00:23.12 | pastamancer | which sin't really usable in a macro |
| 00:23.55 | Firelemming | bah, cant make group buffing easy then with just a simple macro |
| 00:24.37 | Yssaril | Firelemming: its not random its by when people join the raid so usually when you invite 25 people you are 1 or 2 and the next is 3 and so on but once the table of 40 is filled up it starts overwriting old people ( cause you can leave a raid and then rejoin it and most likely you will have the same raidid) |
| 00:24.41 | pastamancer | nope :( |
| 00:25.05 | Firelemming | allright, makes more sence then Yssaril :) |
| 00:26.16 | Firelemming | i dont want to make the macro on a name basis, because raidleaders tend to move people arround :) |
| 00:28.13 | Fisker- | anyone here know how much they've buffed the scale of the sands reputation gain? |
| 00:28.53 | chiper | firelemming: what classes buffs? |
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| 00:29.49 | Firelemming | chiper: i wanted to make a simpel macro to buff a certain raid grp, without having to select a person in that group |
| 00:30.07 | chiper | oh, always the same group? |
| 00:30.18 | Firelemming | yes |
| 00:30.19 | chiper | I like to use SmartBuff for group buffing. |
| 00:30.31 | Firelemming | but thats a addon :) |
| 00:30.46 | chiper | you got something against addons? |
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| 00:30.55 | chiper | because if you do, you're in the wrong channel |
| 00:31.02 | Firelemming | o no, but i dont want to have more on my screen :P |
| 00:31.19 | chiper | it doesnt add anything to the screen. |
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| 00:31.51 | Firelemming | doesnt it? i thought it did, or is that SmartDebuff? |
| 00:32.14 | chiper | you set in the settings what buffs to apply and who they're applied to, and it monitors groups for when the buff needs to be applied and pops up a text warning. then you just scroll your mouse wheel or hit a keybinding to apply the buff |
| 00:32.53 | Firelemming | hmm ok, ill check it out |
| 00:33.23 | Fin | does strength affect a voidwalker's AP? |
| 00:33.24 | chiper | yeah, smartdebuff puts up a window, but smartbuff can be configured to do nothing (by default it puts a minimap button and a floating single button bar, but those can be turned off) |
| 00:33.44 | Diao | hm |
| 00:33.53 | Diao | syeren you there? |
| 00:34.11 | Arrowmaster | Fin: the voidwalkers strength would |
| 00:34.22 | Firelemming | chiper: i see, because smartdebuff is annoying when you have allready so much on the screen :) |
| 00:35.27 | Hjalte | No one besides me blipped(or is it blippd?) Brazil :( It's such a good movie. |
| 00:35.40 | Firelemming | anyway, goodnight all |
| 00:35.43 | Antiarc | We use "blippd" but it's a marketing thing :P |
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| 00:35.49 | Antiarc | I hear good things about Brazil |
| 00:35.52 | Antiarc | I will add it to my queue! |
| 00:36.01 | pastamancer | add "Six String Samurai" too |
| 00:36.24 | Yssaril | Wobin_: ping |
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| 00:36.52 | Fin | Arrowmaster: thanks. sorry for being unclear, I didn't think anyone would assume I meant my strength. I'm asking because I'm considering whether Kibler's Bits or Sporeling Snacks would be better. do you know how much each point of str increases the void's AP by? |
| 00:37.30 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 00:37.58 | Yssaril | fin what are you trying to accomplish anyways? making it a dps machine? |
| 00:38.21 | Fin | nono |
| 00:38.28 | pastamancer | you can feed warlock pets? |
| 00:38.41 | Fin | but it loses aggro fairly fast, and I can heal it whereas I can't buff it anymore |
| 00:38.42 | Ellipsis | Fin: is this for soloing? |
| 00:38.46 | Diao | specific pet snacks yeah |
| 00:38.48 | Fin | Ellipsis: yes |
| 00:38.51 | pastamancer | crazy |
| 00:38.56 | Ellipsis | spec? |
| 00:38.56 | Fin | I wouldn't use a voidwalker in a group, normally |
| 00:39.03 | Fin | affliction |
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| 00:39.16 | Ellipsis | are you using dark pact with the VW? |
| 00:39.17 | Yssaril | fin so you have the imp VW tallent? |
| 00:39.22 | Fin | I think I'll go with Kibler's Bits, but I'm not sure |
| 00:39.42 | Dashkal | Whoa: [Tigerclaw] We have a lot of bug fixes in the OpenGL side of the engine that should show up in builds that are numbered higher than 7983. We'd be happy to hear your experiences on Linux after that ships to PTR. |
| 00:39.44 | Fin | dark pact, yes |
| 00:39.54 | Ellipsis | it could go either way then |
| 00:39.55 | Fin | I don't know about the improved voidwalker, I'm on another character |
| 00:39.55 | Fin | wait |
| 00:39.58 | Ellipsis | however you have an odd playstyle :P |
| 00:39.59 | Fin | I have Armory installed |
| 00:40.02 | Fin | such an awesome mod |
| 00:40.09 | Fin | eh? how comes? :) |
| 00:40.18 | chiper | Dashkal: good, that'll fix a lot of the mac issues |
| 00:40.19 | Ellipsis | Fin: normally deep aff uses an imp as a mana battery and drain tanks |
| 00:40.24 | Ellipsis | rather than letting the VW tank |
| 00:40.31 | Fin | I mean, it's no huge deal about the aggro thing, I could just give it a bit more time |
| 00:40.35 | Fin | yeah, that's how my friend plays |
| 00:40.49 | Yssaril | what lvl is your lock fin? |
| 00:40.54 | Fin | I don't like spell interrupts! 70 |
| 00:40.56 | Ellipsis | you may want to give that a shot and see if it works for you (I personally found it WAY faster) |
| 00:41.06 | durcyn | people still put points in affliction? |
| 00:41.09 | durcyn | curious. |
| 00:41.19 | Fin | I haven't respecced since levelling |
| 00:41.25 | Fin | it's on my todo list |
| 00:41.35 | Ellipsis | but if you want to go with the VW tank, and you're more worried about his aggro than his mana (i.e. you're not doing too much dark pacting) then I'd say give him the bits |
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| 00:41.44 | Ellipsis | also, make sure you're popping consume shadows for the +AP |
| 00:41.45 | godzirra | howdy folks. |
| 00:42.01 | Yssaril | fin what you do is dot up like 3-4 mobs and then drain life one of them they all die pretty much around the same time and your drain life should be specced for not being interupted as much |
| 00:42.01 | durcyn | actually, UA/devastation is still highest dps until 4pc t6, come to think of it |
| 00:42.11 | Ellipsis | I has a UA |
| 00:42.11 | Fin | I've got myself the best gear I can easily, with a shopping list of stuff from instances, now I want to clear up my quest log, then I'm going to play with specs and try to be a good lock rather than the poo one I am at the moment |
| 00:42.13 | Ellipsis | do I fail, durcyn? |
| 00:42.21 | durcyn | Ellipsis: do you have 4pc t6? |
| 00:42.23 | godzirra | Smoeone made the suggestion I switch to pitbull so I did and its awesome... but I don't have my party list when we're in a raid. |
| 00:42.32 | godzirra | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 00:42.33 | Ellipsis | noes, I have heroic gear and a couple kara pieces |
| 00:42.43 | durcyn | Ellipsis: o. |
| 00:43.03 | Fin | that's what I do, Yss, but I send my void in first so that I don't get interrupted so much casting seed of corruption or another channeled spell :) |
| 00:43.06 | Ellipsis | godzirra: go to the options, Party, check "show party in raid" |
| 00:43.20 | Fin | Ellipsis: yep, always use consume shadows if the void loses it |
| 00:43.42 | Fin | I hate the idea of not being buffed as much as I possibly can |
| 00:43.42 | godzirra | Hmm.. |
| 00:43.43 | Ellipsis | sounds like you're doing fine, the aggro issues are probably just because you're outgearing the strat |
| 00:44.01 | durcyn | Fin: as affliction, i'd suggest UA, corruption, immo, COA in that order on each mob, don't even bother with seed |
| 00:44.04 | Fin | should've started ages ago! |
| 00:44.05 | godzirra | PArtyy->Other->Hide Party Frames in raid (unchecked) right? |
| 00:44.10 | Ellipsis | stock up on scrolls and kibler's and that's about all you can do |
| 00:44.16 | Ellipsis | godzirra: yeah, that should do it |
| 00:44.18 | Fin | I only use seed when it makes sense, durcyn |
| 00:44.18 | durcyn | unless there's actual AOE on >4 mobs |
| 00:44.24 | Yssaril | fin dont SoC jsut put SL,Corr,CoA,UA on every mob and the DL them (back when i was that spec i could go for hours without drinking/eating) |
| 00:44.29 | Ellipsis | godzirra: is it not working properly? |
| 00:44.51 | Fin | and, why do you suggest that order specifically? could you please explain exactly why? I would like to understand the details. also to you, Yssaril, if you can be arsed. |
| 00:44.56 | godzirra | I still don't have a party in raid. :/ |
| 00:45.01 | godzirra | ah ha |
| 00:45.02 | godzirra | reloadui did it. |
| 00:45.04 | Fin | I don't use seed as just another DoT though :) |
| 00:45.17 | Ellipsis | Fin: UA first for the cast time (immo also has cast time but the instant damage = aggro party) |
| 00:45.19 | Fin | Bloodthistle is awesome btw |
| 00:45.29 | Ellipsis | then corruption since it's instant, then immo since you don't want to do two instants in a row |
| 00:45.36 | Ellipsis | then coa |
| 00:45.37 | godzirra | Thanks Ellipsis |
| 00:45.42 | Ellipsis | godzirra: anytime :) |
| 00:45.43 | WobWork | Yssaril: ack |
| 00:45.53 | Fin | they're in the AH for like 20s a stack, it's +10 spell damage, a completely irrelevant debuff (-5 spirit), and you can use it in combat - plus it stacks with every other buff |
| 00:46.12 | Yssaril | fin that wasn't a specific order :P it was the order in which they popped into my head usuallly i would UA them till they start hitting me and then put all the insta dots on them (longest lasting first) |
| 00:46.20 | Fin | why don't I want two instants in a row? |
| 00:46.22 | WobWork | fin: I just like the lore behind bloodthistle =) |
| 00:46.29 | Yssaril | WobWork: anyway to change directions on xsparky? |
| 00:46.33 | Fin | WobWork: me too! there should be more stuff like that |
| 00:46.36 | Ellipsis | Fin: there's a lag penalty if you do |
| 00:46.38 | Fin | Yssaril: ah, OK :) |
| 00:46.38 | WobWork | Yssaril: not as yet |
| 00:46.45 | Ellipsis | it's slight, you won't notice it unless you're hardcore optimizing boss DPS |
| 00:46.49 | Fin | Ellipsis: isn't there a lag penalty anyway? |
| 00:46.51 | Ellipsis | but it's a good habit to get into |
| 00:46.54 | Ellipsis | not with the new casting system |
| 00:47.01 | WobWork | Once I dissassociate the bars with some abstraction it'll be a bit more modifiable |
| 00:47.12 | Fin | I don't understand, Ellipsis. I accept you're right but am curious to know why |
| 00:47.18 | chiper | fin: does it stack with elixirs? |
| 00:47.20 | Ellipsis | eh...it's complicated :P |
| 00:47.22 | Fin | chiper: yup |
| 00:47.25 | chiper | ooo |
| 00:47.27 | Ellipsis | I can try to explain, if you like, but it takes a while |
| 00:47.28 | Fin | I did say everything :) |
| 00:47.35 | Yssaril | WobWork: also you should be able to split the rep and xp bar so i could have them in diffenrent locations :) |
| 00:47.35 | Fin | hm |
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| 00:47.51 | Fin | I think it's because the client can't start casting until it's received notice that the previous spell has finished casting, or something like that |
| 00:47.53 | WobWork | Yssaril: that's also in the works |
| 00:47.56 | godzirra | Last question Ellipsis... how do I enable something I've disabled? |
| 00:47.56 | Ellipsis | sort of |
| 00:47.57 | chiper | and Well Fed? |
| 00:48.00 | Ellipsis | it has to do with the GCD and such |
| 00:48.01 | Yssaril | WobWork: woot |
| 00:48.09 | Ellipsis | godzirra: you mean units? go to options -> extra units |
| 00:48.09 | WobWork | Yssaril: once I abstract the bars out, it should be trivial to do all that stuff |
| 00:48.35 | chiper | Ellipsis: is there a function somewhere to reset a specific frame to default? |
| 00:48.43 | chiper | i fucked up my player frame :/ |
| 00:48.51 | Yssaril | WobWork: how about multible rep bars :{ |
| 00:48.54 | Ellipsis | you can copy the layout from another frame, chiper |
| 00:49.04 | WobWork | Yssaril: That may be a bit tricky |
| 00:49.04 | Ellipsis | not sure if there's an easy way to reset it to default |
| 00:49.08 | chiper | hmm, didnt think of that |
| 00:49.14 | WobWork | Yssaril: as I used WatchedFaction to get the information |
| 00:49.52 | Fin | chiper: yes |
| 00:49.55 | Fin | chiper: everything! |
| 00:50.02 | chiper | fin: spiffy |
| 00:50.09 | Fin | indeed! |
| 00:50.12 | WobWork | Yssaril: Actually, it's probably very possible |
| 00:50.18 | WobWork | although I'd admit somewhat confusing |
| 00:50.20 | Yssaril | WobWork: sweet |
| 00:50.26 | WobWork | hm |
| 00:50.40 | WobWork | I'm totally going to have to make the bar type dynamically created now |
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| 00:51.00 | WobWork | so you have to set it up by creating a xp bar, then a rep1 bar/rep2 bar/petxp bar etc |
| 00:51.13 | Yssaril | WobWork: lol also maybe so you can add text to the bar (if its wide enough) |
| 00:51.23 | WobWork | Thick enough? |
| 00:51.30 | WobWork | I don't want to bloat it too much =) |
| 00:51.34 | Yssaril | WobWork: bah |
| 00:51.41 | chiper | wait... what's xsparky? |
| 00:52.05 | WobWork | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8259-Xparky.html |
| 00:52.26 | WobWork | no 's' =) |
| 00:52.45 | chiper | oh, heh, darn |
| 00:52.58 | chiper | that's much less exciting :) |
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| 00:53.17 | chiper | i've been looking for a standalone spark mod |
| 00:53.34 | WobWork | chiper: to standalone spark what? |
| 00:53.49 | chiper | 5 second rule |
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| 00:54.25 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:54.29 | WobWork | should be instinctual |
| 00:54.51 | chiper | basically the same as pitbull's spark but, you know, not part of pitbull |
| 00:55.09 | chiper | i just got my first healer up to grouping level, so I'm still learning it |
| 00:55.14 | Yssaril | WobWork: i think you need to let users create custom events for sparks so the user can make anything a spark if they want to |
| 00:55.47 | WobWork | "Don't like that NPC? Make it a spark!" |
| 00:55.51 | WobWork | wha? |
| 00:55.55 | chiper | what? |
| 00:56.10 | chiper | Yssaril: i think you have a different definition of spark then we do? |
| 00:56.30 | Yssaril | WobWork: exactly :P |
| 00:56.30 | Fin | Ellipsis: basically I'm doing everything I can to improve my lock that doesn't require any actual skill (wanted to say that a minute ago but started dying in-game!) |
| 00:56.30 | Yssaril | naw was thinking like this have 3 editboxes in the config |
| 00:56.30 | Yssaril | the first would be the spark name |
| 00:56.32 | Yssaril | second the sparks events |
| 00:56.34 | Funkeh` | omg? |
| 00:56.34 | WobWork | wtf? |
| 00:56.53 | WobWork | What sort of event? |
| 00:57.02 | Yssaril | the 3rd the sparks funtion that returns current loc and max loc of the spark :) |
| 00:57.27 | chiper | Yssaril: you're not making any sense right now |
| 00:57.30 | Yssaril | WobWork: repchange or whatever gets triggerend where you would need to reanalize the loc of the spark :) |
| 00:57.45 | WobWork | re... |
| 00:57.47 | Yssaril | bah let me type it up and send it to ya brb :P |
| 00:57.49 | WobWork | . o O (eeeeee) |
| 00:57.56 | chiper | Yssaril: WobWork's mod is call Xpark, not Xspark |
| 00:58.08 | WobWork | 'y' |
| 00:58.15 | chiper | err, yeah |
| 00:58.21 | Fin | it's a very soft porn area for children |
| 00:59.00 | chiper | the 'spark' i was speaking of is a function of many unit frames where it displays a timer bar for some kind of event |
| 00:59.28 | chiper | cooldown timers, rogue energy tickers, and buff timers are all sparks |
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| 01:00.35 | chiper | bah, time to go home |
| 01:01.17 | WobWork | brb |
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| 01:01.45 | Ellipsis | Fin: your lock sounds a lot like mine :P |
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| 01:03.12 | Ellipsis | [4:54:08 pm] <chiper> basically the same as pitbull's spark but, you know, not part of pitbull <<wouldn't be hard to do, pitbull's just attaches it to the power bar, the rest of the code doesn't depend on pitbull at all |
| 01:03.29 | Thorgard | Did they un-nerf Life Tap? 15% of max mana for 5% of max health? |
| 01:03.42 | WobWork | Thorgard: possibly unnerfed |
| 01:04.16 | Arrowmaster | 15% of max mana for 5% of max health? that doesnt sound possible |
| 01:04.36 | Ellipsis | is that for reals? |
| 01:05.02 | Arrowmaster | since that would have better efficence than the current life tap but still require either the same or more lifetaps to get back to full mana |
| 01:05.15 | Arrowmaster | no way is that possible |
| 01:05.21 | Zhinjio | I finally got some code on our guild's wws site working that hadn't worked in a long time. |
| 01:05.29 | Zhinjio | Just in time for WWS to stop working and it be all be useless anyway. |
| 01:05.35 | Zhinjio | *cry* |
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| 01:05.55 | Daemona | wow.. uploading a wws log on a wednesday is an adventure everytime again :) |
| 01:06.05 | Zhinjio | I don't use their site. |
| 01:06.11 | Zhinjio | I host my own |
| 01:06.21 | Zhinjio | http://veracity.geo-joergsson.com/wws/ |
| 01:06.21 | Daemona | position in queue 5xx time 15:xx:xx |
| 01:06.47 | Zhinjio | that domain name is temporary until I repoint everything. |
| 01:06.53 | Daemona | Zhinjio whats the problem? wws2 beta has been developed for quite some time |
| 01:07.05 | Daemona | they are test-parsing ptr logs internally already |
| 01:07.11 | Zhinjio | awesome. |
| 01:07.19 | Zhinjio | is that code going to be publicly available? |
| 01:07.24 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:07.32 | Zhinjio | aha. well, thats the problem. |
| 01:07.49 | Arrowmaster | they havent updated the non upload version in a very very long time afaik |
| 01:07.51 | CIA-9 | 03ulic * r63101 10LittleWigs/HellfireCitadel/Omor.lua: LittleWigs: Drycode of Omor 2.4 compat |
| 01:08.07 | Zhinjio | yeah, its been about 6 months |
| 01:08.11 | Zhinjio | still working like a champ. |
| 01:09.22 | durcyn | eh, if i had the time i'd write a perl parser or something, lossendil's monopoly is a bit silly, especially after he figured out he could make money and closed the source |
| 01:09.36 | Grum | you dont have to parse anymore :D |
| 01:09.45 | Zhinjio | yeah. |
| 01:09.47 | durcyn | well, summarize and report on, that's the clever bit. |
| 01:09.58 | Grum | not really hard tbh |
| 01:10.06 | Grum | WWS just shows very basic stuff |
| 01:10.10 | durcyn | didn't say it was hard, said i was lazy =P |
| 01:10.16 | Zhinjio | just have to wait until someone makes one that will be free. |
| 01:10.22 | Zhinjio | or god forbid, write one myself. |
| 01:10.31 | Grum | ditto hehe |
| 01:10.44 | Zhinjio | free-wws.org *grin* |
| 01:10.46 | Grum | already wrote a perl 2.3 log parser O.o |
| 01:11.07 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc already has a domain registered for one |
| 01:11.07 | Zhinjio | see! you're already 90% done! |
| 01:11.17 | Zhinjio | oh yeah? |
| 01:11.19 | Antiarc | If I ever get time I'm going to write a WWS fort of thing for 2.4 |
| 01:11.35 | Antiarc | That's a big-ass if though |
| 01:11.36 | Arrowmaster | gota output xml though |
| 01:11.37 | Zhinjio | I'll help, if its any motivator |
| 01:11.40 | Arrowmaster | requirement |
| 01:11.44 | Grum | output xml? LOL |
| 01:11.57 | Daemona | haha if Antiarc does .... wws.com can shutdown... basically like KTM isnt used anymore by most serious raider |
| 01:11.57 | Antiarc | It wouldn't be hard to provide XML representations of certain data. |
| 01:12.04 | Grum | take something that is actually usable, json or yaml orso >< |
| 01:12.04 | Zhinjio | wws' output was ridiculously messy html |
| 01:12.19 | Zhinjio | I had to run tidy against it just to make it healthy across browsers |
| 01:12.25 | Zhinjio | <3 tidy |
| 01:12.49 | Antiarc | http://wowanalytics.com/ is the domain I registered |
| 01:12.55 | Zhinjio | ooo, nice. |
| 01:13.00 | Grum | someone define a featureset |
| 01:13.05 | Grum | so we can take a pick at it :) |
| 01:13.19 | Antiarc | Someone figure out a way for me to have 72 hours in a day |
| 01:13.23 | Antiarc | Then I can do everything I want to |
| 01:13.26 | Zhinjio | oh man. |
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| 01:13.32 | Zhinjio | I've been wishing for that for years. |
| 01:13.36 | Zhinjio | pretty much my entire adult life |
| 01:13.37 | Arrowmaster | well you still have to make a parser for combining logs and other stuff |
| 01:13.56 | Antiarc | That's trivial |
| 01:14.09 | Antiarc | Just discard any exact matches of certain data within a certain time period |
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| 01:15.10 | azraelo | Anyone know the latest working build of tinytip? |
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| 01:17.24 | Arrowmaster | current ones working for me |
| 01:17.52 | Diao | blizzard really hates me :( |
| 01:18.03 | Daemona | alternatively have a look at cowtip ;) |
| 01:18.06 | Diao | 4th game in a row in eots against the exact same premade.. i even waited 20 min before queueing for the last game |
| 01:18.12 | Daemona | depends on personal preferene though |
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| 01:19.53 | Primer | Diao: let me guess, you're alliance |
| 01:20.13 | Diao | horde |
| 01:20.14 | Primer | I can't remember the last time I won a premade vs. another premade |
| 01:20.16 | Diao | lol |
| 01:20.19 | Diao | i'm solo queueing |
| 01:20.31 | Primer | what battlegroup? |
| 01:20.53 | Diao | bg9 |
| 01:21.03 | Primer | err, battlegroups have names |
| 01:21.08 | Primer | I'm in "Rampage" |
| 01:21.11 | Primer | my realm is, that is |
| 01:21.33 | Diao | oh |
| 01:21.35 | Diao | uhh |
| 01:21.35 | Keias | bg9 is bloodlust |
| 01:21.39 | Diao | bloodlust i think it's called |
| 01:21.41 | Diao | everyone calls it bg9 |
| 01:21.46 | Primer | ahh |
| 01:21.46 | Diao | we're the "pro" bg :P |
| 01:22.08 | Primer | what makes your bg better than mine? |
| 01:22.14 | Primer | I mean, I'm on a pvp realm |
| 01:22.35 | Diao | all the top arena teams in the US realms transfer to bg9 |
| 01:22.38 | Keias | Vegimite |
| 01:22.41 | Diao | it has the best competition apparently |
| 01:22.44 | NeoTron | thing with a WWS like app is that it's not necessarily a simple problem. It's a lot of fricking data |
| 01:23.16 | Daemona | hmpf |
| 01:23.25 | Daemona | i should wipe my wowcombatlog.txt more often |
| 01:23.46 | Daemona | i grep'd it for "2/27" and ended up with data from 12/27 ... |
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| 01:23.56 | Primer | I need to get about 2k honor for my vindicator's dreadweave belt |
| 01:24.02 | Daemona | now i have to chew through the queue again ... |
| 01:24.10 | Diao | lol |
| 01:24.18 | Diao | i delete my wowcombatlog daily |
| 01:24.26 | Diao | since wws fails to parse anything over 12 hours |
| 01:24.46 | Primer | I wonder what the daily bg is today |
| 01:24.52 | Primer | and if it's the same on all realms |
| 01:24.59 | Diao | it's different per realm i believe |
| 01:25.09 | Diao | eots for Blackrock-H US |
| 01:25.19 | Diao | i've been in games where people from other realms had a different daily |
| 01:25.50 | Daemona | Diao thats what "grep" or "type xxx | find yyy > bla.txt" is for |
| 01:25.56 | Primer | seems it'd make sense if it was the same across the battlegroup, at least |
| 01:25.57 | Diao | i'm on windows |
| 01:26.01 | Diao | i don't have wingrep |
| 01:26.05 | Daemona | then the second works ;) |
| 01:26.05 | Primer | cygwin |
| 01:26.05 | doc^blup | what's the best way to find an endless loop? :) |
| 01:26.15 | Diao | and i'd rather not have a 200925059250295gb combat log |
| 01:26.16 | Zhinjio | The other thing that would be pretty cool with a new tool would be tracking a person's performance across multiple raids, over time. |
| 01:26.18 | Primer | I find windows tolerable with cygwin |
| 01:26.24 | Diao | since just 1 raid already gives me a 10-20mb file |
| 01:26.50 | Primer | ssh windowsbox uname -a |
| 01:26.52 | Primer | CYGWIN_NT-5.1 dano 1.5.25(0.156/4/2) 2007-12-14 19:21 i686 Cygwin |
| 01:26.56 | Primer | hehe |
| 01:27.00 | Daemona | wowcombatlog.txt .-> 930mb |
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| 01:27.10 | Zhinjio | dude, thats crazy. |
| 01:27.15 | Diao | ... |
| 01:27.16 | Diao | yeah see |
| 01:27.20 | Diao | that's just too much |
| 01:27.24 | Diao | there's no reason to store that much data |
| 01:27.29 | Daemona | 2008-02-27-wowcombatlog.txt -> 34mb |
| 01:28.26 | Diao | ... |
| 01:28.29 | Diao | 5th game against the same premade |
| 01:28.30 | break19 | uname -a : Darwin blackbox 9.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.2.0: Tue Feb 5 16:15:19 PST 2008; root:xnu-1228.3.13~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh |
| 01:28.34 | Diao | :\ |
| 01:29.02 | Yssaril | WobWork: ping |
| 01:30.24 | Yssaril | WobWork: xpark idea hope this makes more sense :) http://yssaril.pastey.net/83056 |
| 01:31.12 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRrPI04dzEE japan never fails to amaze me (possibly NSFW) |
| 01:35.25 | Diao | wow that is old |
| 01:35.30 | Diao | i remember seeing that in middle school |
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| 01:38.53 | Zhinjio | time for dinner. peace, y'all. |
| 01:40.47 | NeoTron | :se noai |
| 01:40.47 | NeoTron | a:se ai |
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| 01:44.27 | Diao | hmm wow |
| 01:44.38 | Diao | lock new LT on PTR is ridiculously buffed |
| 01:44.52 | Ellipsis | does this mean PTR is finally back up? |
| 01:44.58 | Yssaril | diao what did they change> |
| 01:45.05 | Diao | it's now 5% hp for 15% mana (18% with imp LT) |
| 01:45.18 | aestil | yay, locks get another I WIN button. |
| 01:45.18 | Yssaril | diao damn nice |
| 01:45.24 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 01:45.28 | Diao | damn op imo |
| 01:45.29 | Diao | lol |
| 01:45.39 | Diao | 30-35% hp for a full mana bar :\ |
| 01:46.13 | Arrowmaster | thats like half the hp cost of LT on live |
| 01:46.28 | Ellipsis | I bet that makes dark pact useless for aff |
| 01:46.41 | Ellipsis | which is kinda funny |
| 01:46.54 | NeoTron | Diao: that is retarded |
| 01:47.17 | NeoTron | it doesn't address the main issue which is that they nerfed the effect and relies on mana in the first place |
| 01:47.18 | Ellipsis | there's no way they're keeping that |
| 01:47.29 | Ellipsis | but if they do, I'm totally respeccing out of deep aff |
| 01:47.44 | NeoTron | and if the original reason was to nerf pvp, that is the direct opposite |
| 01:47.54 | Ellipsis | the main issue is scaling, which they're too stupid to notice |
| 01:48.07 | Ellipsis | they're just going to play around with the numbers until it makes a certain level of player happy |
| 01:48.10 | Diao | yep |
| 01:48.13 | NeoTron | it's the wrong numbers |
| 01:48.15 | Diao | imo it should be like 15% hp for 20% mana |
| 01:48.30 | Diao | 85% hp loss for 100% mana gain, keeps it at 5 LT for a full bar which would be perfect for raiding locks? |
| 01:48.30 | NeoTron | give me X mana for X health (where X health can be 15% of my HP) |
| 01:48.37 | NeoTron | don't make it Y mana for X health. that's dumb |
| 01:49.04 | NeoTron | the main issue though is the 15% mana. 20% would be better |
| 01:49.08 | Ellipsis | Diao: any % health for % mana mechanic is inherently broken |
| 01:49.26 | Diao | any flat number is inherently broken too |
| 01:49.30 | Ellipsis | I agree |
| 01:49.38 | NeoTron | it's not a flat number - it depends on spell damage |
| 01:49.39 | Ellipsis | but at least flat numbers had coefficients which scaled properly |
| 01:50.03 | Arrowmaster | with my current raid buffs and comanding shout thats still only 641-642 hp for 1819 mana wtf |
| 01:50.06 | Ellipsis | I'm with NeoTron, X% health returning as much mana as you lost health is a good way to go |
| 01:50.20 | Ellipsis | (mana return = 1.2 * health with imp LT) |
| 01:50.23 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: you have over 12000 mana?! |
| 01:50.26 | Diao | lol arrow |
| 01:50.48 | Arrowmaster | i have 10105 mana |
| 01:50.50 | NeoTron | but 5% health is rediculously small and a buff for pvp even with full pvp gear |
| 01:50.53 | Arrowmaster | raid buffed |
| 01:50.57 | Diao | huge buff for pvp in fact |
| 01:51.17 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: then you get 1522 mana from LT |
| 01:51.34 | NeoTron | 15% of 10105 != 1819 ;-) |
| 01:51.48 | Cryect | did you add imp lifetap? |
| 01:51.59 | Arrowmaster | i have imp lt |
| 01:52.18 | NeoTron | ah |
| 01:52.24 | Yssaril | lua> print(10105*.15*1.2) |
| 01:52.24 | Cryect | lua> 10105*.15*1.2 |
| 01:52.25 | lua_bot | Yssaril: 1818.9 |
| 01:52.25 | lua_bot | Cryect: 1818.9 |
| 01:52.26 | Kivin | hai 2 u Antiarc. I think that's your rogue |
| 01:52.26 | NeoTron | well it's a large nerf to me |
| 01:52.32 | Ellipsis | bah, I can't log in to PTR :( |
| 01:52.32 | Antiarc | Hehe, that's me |
| 01:52.36 | NeoTron | in terms of mana return |
| 01:52.46 | Cryect | I can't login to PTR either |
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| 01:52.58 | NeoTron | and I don't think haste will revert the logic although with sufficient haste I guess it might help |
| 01:53.00 | Arrowmaster | its still a mana return nerf |
| 01:53.02 | NeoTron | a bit |
| 01:53.04 | iNs|Renew | because you're a jerk cryect |
| 01:53.14 | Cryect | just to Insomnia |
| 01:53.19 | iNs|Renew | why:( |
| 01:53.22 | iNs|Renew | we have ell |
| 01:53.24 | iNs|Renew | he is cool |
| 01:53.28 | iNs|Renew | well we have him for now |
| 01:53.29 | iNs|Renew | lol |
| 01:53.31 | Cryect | but do you have dagger |
| 01:53.45 | iNs|Renew | where's your mage? |
| 01:53.52 | Cryect | My mage is on SR |
| 01:53.54 | iNs|Renew | we need to gear up another mage in t6 |
| 01:53.54 | break19 | i has dagrlol |
| 01:54.03 | Cryect | Yeah not doing that |
| 01:54.10 | iNs|Renew | cmon dude, you love to raid |
| 01:54.19 | Cryect | I love to raid so much that I don't raid |
| 01:54.20 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: same amount of mana return nerf of course |
| 01:54.32 | NeoTron | however it' snot quite as retardedly expensive as bevore |
| 01:54.36 | Cryect | I've not done anything larger than a 5 man in ~half a year |
| 01:54.41 | NeoTron | but if that REALLY is the change they clearly didn't want to nerf it in pvp |
| 01:54.46 | iNs|Renew | why in the world are you making recount 2? just bored? |
| 01:54.47 | NeoTron | and eyonix was talking out of his ass |
| 01:54.57 | iNs|Renew | not complaining btw, I love it as a raid leader |
| 01:55.20 | CIA-9 | 03sylvanaar 072.4 * r63102 10Prat/ (18 files in 2 dirs): Prat: Mixin AceHook only into the modules using it (Roughly half) |
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| 01:56.34 | Cryect | Because I like to code? |
| 01:56.42 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: but it is a significant buff in terms of cost of maintaining mana |
| 01:57.08 | NeoTron | my average lifetap was 1819 returned on Winterchill last night |
| 01:57.19 | Diao | lol |
| 01:57.36 | Arrowmaster | mines 1856 |
| 01:57.39 | Diao | i doubt it'll make it to live |
| 01:57.45 | Diao | 5% for 15% is way imba in pvp |
| 01:57.56 | Cryect | I like coding way more than raiding :-p in fact only reason I had raided like over half of TBC was because I was coding and raiding gave good way to test the code |
| 01:57.57 | NeoTron | 1212 mana / sec of lifetap. with the 15% ptr it'd be around 1100 (accounting for haste benefit) |
| 01:58.08 | sylvanaar | grr ptr logon is sloooow |
| 01:58.31 | Arrowmaster | i heard something about it possible being because of something with using low rank lifetaps but i just tested on live and got like 586 mana for 400 some hp i think |
| 01:58.35 | NeoTron | but if you buff haste + int, it'll be quite a significant buff for mana / sec return as well |
| 01:59.08 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: now we don't have to downrank because max rank will use 500 hp!!! heh |
| 01:59.18 | Ellipsis | sylvanaar: slow? I would use the term "dead" |
| 01:59.19 | NeoTron | I fail to see the logic behind it |
| 01:59.24 | NeoTron | Ellipsis: it's not actually up yet |
| 01:59.38 | sylvanaar | Ellipsis yeah, thats a better description |
| 01:59.40 | Ellipsis | then why are you people talking about it like it is? |
| 01:59.56 | NeoTron | " The PTR is still not up, if you are somehow able to log in it will be with the old client and any data or bugs you find will be invalid. " |
| 02:00.07 | sylvanaar | bleh |
| 02:00.09 | NeoTron | from Hortus |
| 02:00.14 | NeoTron | and it was the last post |
| 02:00.19 | NeoTron | so it's sort-of but not actually up |
| 02:00.28 | Arrowmaster | he said it was going to be 5% for 15%? |
| 02:00.39 | Arrowmaster | where did these numbers actually come from? |
| 02:00.50 | Diao | WoR |
| 02:00.55 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 02:00.57 | Diao | Update 0:45 CET: US PTR was online but went back offline, Lifetap changed (see below) |
| 02:01.03 | Arrowmaster | i never trust anything from WoR |
| 02:01.09 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: someone logged on... |
| 02:01.12 | Diao | lol |
| 02:01.25 | Cryect | except the numbers you get are client based |
| 02:01.26 | Arrowmaster | was it the tooltip or did they actually test |
| 02:01.28 | Cryect | not server based |
| 02:01.40 | Cryect | At least from the tooltip |
| 02:01.52 | Cryect | if he tested a bunch thats of course server based |
| 02:01.58 | Arrowmaster | tooltip was bugged last patch too |
| 02:02.09 | Kivin | Where's my !c bot :( |
| 02:03.00 | Chaud | 5% health for 18% mana is not bad at all =\ |
| 02:03.45 | Yssaril | Wobin_: ping |
| 02:03.51 | Ellipsis | I wouldn't trust the tooltips at this point |
| 02:04.02 | NeoTron | it wasn't a tooltip issue |
| 02:04.04 | NeoTron | it was from testing |
| 02:04.25 | Ellipsis | hrm |
| 02:04.44 | NeoTron | it's just rediculously chepa from a health perspective and obviously was PvE DPS nerf completely unrelated to PvP |
| 02:05.15 | Chaud | ~750 health for 1800 mana |
| 02:05.19 | NeoTron | it basically drains 1/3rd the amount current lifedrain does |
| 02:05.24 | Ellipsis | AHA! |
| 02:05.32 | Chaud | in PvP gear buffed for 5s |
| 02:05.59 | NeoTron | it is excellent for solo farming since it's a very small drain on health >:-) |
| 02:06.11 | Chaud | Hopefully we get this build up tonight = |
| 02:06.13 | NeoTron | probably would change to sacced VW for soloing |
| 02:06.40 | NeoTron | and.. I would reevaluate my gear and give int more of a value |
| 02:06.50 | NeoTron | but alas this is hardly conclusive evidence nor final |
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| 02:07.14 | NeoTron | also increases value of haste quite significantly |
| 02:08.23 | Chaud | Which would be better for farming scryers rep, my mage @ ~1050 spelldmg, mostly PvP gear, frost spec solo pulling, or my alt lock with ~1100 dmg as sl/sl in PvP gear |
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| 02:11.04 | Diao | why not respec |
| 02:11.39 | Chaud | I could respec for most of a week to a pve fire raid build |
| 02:11.52 | Chaud | when I have time off in a week or two I am going to raid with someone for a week |
| 02:12.29 | Chaud | but the lock is still at almost revered, need to farm enough for exalted |
| 02:12.47 | Diao | go afflic on your lock and make it easy to farm :P |
| 02:13.00 | Diao | dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot insta-HoT, collect loots |
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| 02:13.45 | Ellipsis | why bother with insta-hot, if you have enough gear (pvp gear is even better) you can take the dmg |
| 02:13.46 | NeoTron | sl/sl is pretty good for farming |
| 02:13.52 | NeoTron | 3 instant dots, incl SL (naturally) |
| 02:14.02 | NeoTron | no need to respec |
| 02:14.05 | Ellipsis | I would think that sl/sl in pvp gear would be pretty ideal for farming |
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| 02:14.24 | Ellipsis | it's not *quite* aff, but still |
| 02:15.03 | Chaud | I never really farmed on my lock, or anyones, so what is the correct way to do it as sl/sl |
| 02:15.19 | Chaud | just dot up a bunch and drain one? |
| 02:15.26 | WobWork | I believe so |
| 02:15.56 | WobWork | Ellipsises your way to victory |
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| 02:19.25 | Ellipsis | ha, take that! |
| 02:20.54 | Arrowmaster | lol druid got a brutalizer due to ml misclick just now |
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| 02:24.03 | Yssaril | WobWork: http://yssaril.pastey.net/83056 <<--- check that if it makes more sense :) |
| 02:25.55 | Diao | rofl Arrowmaster |
| 02:25.57 | Diao | gm ticket |
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| 02:30.12 | WobWork | Yssaril: hm |
| 02:30.23 | WobWork | I'm wondering if it needs to be a library |
| 02:31.14 | WobWork | or how it'll really work |
| 02:31.28 | Yssaril | WobWork: why a lib? cant your parse strings into lua code so you could just have a config for it? |
| 02:31.29 | WobWork | since it requires some fiddling around depending on which -way- the spark is going |
| 02:31.31 | WobWork | texturewise |
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| 02:32.27 | WobWork | are we talking about a spark alone |
| 02:32.34 | WobWork | or just the use of the spark on a bar |
| 02:32.48 | Yssaril | well i was thinking keep everyhting you can change on a spark as you have it now frame colors thinckness etc but have users make custom sparks out of anything that has a range that changes in the game |
| 02:33.14 | Yssaril | WobWork: custom bars/sparks whatever you want to call it |
| 02:33.22 | WobWork | yeah |
| 02:33.39 | WobWork | It's getting very complex =) |
| 02:33.55 | WobWork | maybe I'll have to make the configuration a separate lod |
| 02:35.38 | Yssaril | WobWork: just dont fill the option table till you have to :) |
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| 02:43.54 | Yssaril | anyway i can create a triangle texture for a frame without resorting to a texture file? |
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| 02:45.36 | WobWork | if you hax settexcoord |
| 02:45.45 | WobWork | but you'd have to ask beladona for the maths |
| 02:46.09 | WobWork | although... you might be able to do a simple isoc |
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| 02:48.51 | Cryect | its pretty simple actually |
| 02:48.56 | Cryect | what type of triangle do you want |
| 02:49.47 | Cryect | one of the sides of the triangle will have to be aligned with the box of the texture |
| 02:50.10 | Cryect | and it requires a texture with an invisible border |
| 02:50.36 | Yssaril | Cryect: why invisible? |
| 02:51.26 | Cryect | Because if its not an invisible border then you would just have the edge of that texture stretched on the edge |
| 02:51.28 | Cryect | and it looks like a box |
| 02:51.43 | Cryect | whatever you do in that case then looks like an axis aligned box |
| 02:51.48 | Cryect | you have to have some sort of texture file |
| 02:52.26 | Yssaril | Cryect: hmm i think i understand it will fill the rest of the box with the color of the edge? |
| 02:52.33 | Cryect | Basically |
| 02:52.42 | Cryect | Really the easiest thing to do |
| 02:52.49 | Cryect | is have a half triangle texture |
| 02:53.28 | Cryect | and then you can piece 2 textures to create any sort of triangle you want (as long as its aligned against one of the edges) |
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| 02:54.07 | Yssaril | hmmm |
| 02:55.21 | JoshBorke | where is some gd information on CallbackHandler |
| 02:55.56 | Arrowmaster | lol our feral druid just hit 5297 AP from procs |
| 02:56.03 | Arrowmaster | JoshBorke: wiki |
| 02:56.49 | Yssaril | JoshBorke: http://fish.wowace.com/browse/~raw,r=60147/WowAce/tags/Ace3/Beta/CallbackHandler-1.0/CallbackHandler-1.0.lua |
| 02:57.16 | JoshBorke | Arrowmaster: oh? my google search didn't bring up anything |
| 02:57.30 | Arrowmaster | liked from the ace3 page |
| 02:57.34 | Arrowmaster | linked |
| 02:57.40 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r63104 10PitBull/Aura/Core.lua: PitBull_Aura - reparent tracking tooltip every time, because alt-z causes it to mess up |
| 02:57.51 | Yssaril | http://wowace.com/wiki/CallbackHandler-1.0 |
| 02:57.56 | JoshBorke | danke |
| 02:58.07 | Yssaril | kein problem |
| 02:58.52 | Diao | wow |
| 02:59.00 | Diao | those super-trinkets that were linked in sunwell a while back actually drop from heroic MT? |
| 03:00.05 | Thorgard | Not so super anymore. |
| 03:00.13 | JoshBorke | which trinkets? |
| 03:00.51 | Chaud | they aren't that great |
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| 03:01.03 | Chaud | [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] and the like |
| 03:01.13 | Diao | the healing one is pretty amazing |
| 03:01.15 | Diao | for burst heal |
| 03:01.38 | Chaud | 15 mp/5 and 2k heal |
| 03:01.54 | Thorgard | The tanking one is nice.. and was pure cream pre-nerf. |
| 03:01.56 | Chaud | - The buff on yourself that stores the energy lasts 10 seconds |
| 03:02.06 | Chaud | so as long as you are healing every 10s anyway |
| 03:02.20 | Chaud | can crit, not affected by +healing |
| 03:02.43 | Chaud | - The trinket has approximately 10 yards range, lol |
| 03:03.04 | Diao | basically you just toss a heal every 10 sec |
| 03:03.04 | WobWork | Yssaril: best thing atm is for you to mock up what you want to do so we can see =) |
| 03:03.07 | Diao | to reset the buff stack |
| 03:03.13 | Diao | and use the trinket when needed |
| 03:03.29 | Chaud | and run up to the guy to heal him? lol |
| 03:03.38 | Chaud | Hopefully they change it to 30-40yrds |
| 03:03.43 | Yssaril | WobWork: what kinda mockup SS or code? |
| 03:03.54 | Yssaril | or longass text file ? |
| 03:03.55 | WobWork | SS |
| 03:04.02 | WobWork | paint =) |
| 03:04.11 | Diao | well holy shock is a short range too |
| 03:04.15 | Diao | 10 yd isn't too much more |
| 03:04.49 | Yssaril | WobWork: sigh will work on it later currently trying to figure out this texture transformation crap |
| 03:06.06 | doc^blup | eu ptr is up finally^^ |
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| 03:08.05 | Gagorian | Interesting |
| 03:08.10 | Gagorian | PTR has 3 ranks of lifetap |
| 03:08.19 | RaydenU | shadow priests regen mana |
| 03:08.24 | Gagorian | But it's retarded |
| 03:08.26 | RaydenU | hunters can give 3% spell dmg bonus |
| 03:08.38 | Gagorian | Rank one uses 5% max hp to 15% max mana |
| 03:08.38 | RaydenU | hunter + spriest + 3 spell dps or 3 healers ftw? |
| 03:08.50 | Arrowmaster | RaydenU: BM hunters? |
| 03:09.21 | WobWork | ferocious insp |
| 03:09.33 | RaydenU | yeah |
| 03:09.36 | RaydenU | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/18/bigredkitty-ask-not-what-your-raid-can-do-for-you/ |
| 03:09.38 | RaydenU | was reading that |
| 03:10.04 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian: what are the other ranks? |
| 03:10.12 | RaydenU | bm hunter, spriest, (3 mages, warlocks, healers) |
| 03:10.17 | RaydenU | seems like a winning makeup |
| 03:10.22 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:10.31 | RaydenU | screw rogues |
| 03:10.37 | Gagorian | Hmm so: Lifetap r1 5% max hp to 15% max mana, r2 12% max hp to 15% max mana, r3 20% max hp to 15% max mana :DD |
| 03:10.41 | Gagorian | Lets see what rank should I use |
| 03:10.44 | WobWork | or bm hunter, spriest, ele shammy + mage/warlocks |
| 03:10.49 | Chaud | rofl |
| 03:10.52 | Hjalte | Gagorian: Damn. |
| 03:10.54 | RaydenU | what do ele sham give? |
| 03:11.02 | WobWork | totems =) |
| 03:11.03 | Chaud | I guess it isn't working right again =\ |
| 03:11.07 | RaydenU | for what? |
| 03:11.08 | WobWork | plus being a caster |
| 03:11.09 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 03:11.11 | Gagorian | Well that is actually quite awesome |
| 03:11.13 | Gagorian | 5% for 15% |
| 03:11.14 | Gagorian | :D |
| 03:11.15 | WobWork | goa? |
| 03:11.16 | RaydenU | my old guild's shaman was resto |
| 03:11.20 | WobWork | I think is the one? |
| 03:11.21 | RaydenU | so i'm not familiar with all their totems |
| 03:11.23 | WobWork | The spelldamage one |
| 03:11.23 | Chaud | something wrong with that lol |
| 03:11.24 | Yssaril | Gagorian: wait they still have ranks for LT then ? |
| 03:11.31 | Chaud | clearly the max rank is correct |
| 03:11.39 | Gagorian | 3 ranks it seems, but they are all bugged I guess |
| 03:11.43 | Gagorian | all return the same mana |
| 03:11.45 | Gagorian | but use different hp |
| 03:11.46 | Lukian | Gagorian, are you serious that's what the ranks do? XD |
| 03:11.51 | Lukian | hahah |
| 03:11.51 | Gagorian | Yes completely |
| 03:11.54 | RaydenU | wobsome air totem? |
| 03:11.58 | Yssaril | rofl |
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| 03:12.07 | Chaud | What was the previous build's 1 rank? |
| 03:12.12 | Chaud | 15% to 15% ? |
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| 03:13.05 | Chaud | Spell haste epic gems! http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr/24/new-gems.jpg |
| 03:13.25 | WobWork | sorry |
| 03:13.28 | WobWork | wrath of air |
| 03:13.40 | Gagorian | Chaud: Yup |
| 03:13.48 | Chaud | Gagorian: WoR says that max rank is 20% to 20% |
| 03:13.57 | WobWork | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=3738 |
| 03:13.58 | Gagorian | Yes that's what it says in tooltip |
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| 03:14.02 | Gagorian | But that's not what it does |
| 03:14.08 | RaydenU | <WobWork> The spelldamage one <-- Wrath of Air |
| 03:14.13 | RaydenU | grace of air is more agility |
| 03:14.17 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:14.19 | WobWork | ^ |
| 03:14.54 | Chaud | +mackzter|MYM: http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot022708214603lk0.jpg |
| 03:14.54 | Chaud | +mackzter|MYM: (03:53:12) (Ghando) shaman toughness now gives 50% reduction to snare duration |
| 03:15.03 | Chaud | Picture is of new alch stone |
| 03:15.15 | Chaud | 40% on pots, 119 healing, |
| 03:15.40 | RaydenU | the totem with +hit on it seems kind of useless for end game |
| 03:15.46 | RaydenU | when everyone should be about hit capped anyways |
| 03:15.46 | vhaarr | WobWork: all shamans have WoA totems, what an elemental shaman brings is Totem of Wrath, that provides +3% spell crit, I believe. |
| 03:15.52 | RaydenU | is it reasonable for all classes to hit cap? |
| 03:16.07 | vhaarr | yes it is |
| 03:16.41 | vhaarr | afaik, shamans do not have any spell hit totems |
| 03:16.41 | vhaarr | perhaps you're refering to the draenai class ability aura |
| 03:16.45 | RaydenU | Summons a Totem of Wrath with 5 health at the feet of the caster. The totem increases the chance to hit and critically hit with spells by 3% to all party members if they are within 20 yards. Lasts 2 min. |
| 03:16.52 | vhaarr | oh |
| 03:17.12 | vhaarr | didn't know it did both |
| 03:17.31 | RaydenU | i don't know if 3% crit is better than the ~100spell WOA gives you for mages and warlocks |
| 03:18.19 | vhaarr | doesn't matter |
| 03:18.21 | vhaarr | WoA is air totem |
| 03:18.26 | vhaarr | ToW is fire |
| 03:18.29 | RaydenU | oh true |
| 03:18.32 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:18.33 | WobWork | they can use both |
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| 03:18.41 | WobWork | I just said ele cause they're casters |
| 03:18.41 | RaydenU | but +hit seems useful for some 5 mans and low end raids |
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| 03:18.48 | RaydenU | but later on everyone i hit capped so who cares |
| 03:18.55 | ulic | that's pretty uber, too bad it's an elemental talent |
| 03:18.55 | WobWork | so wouldn't need to run in and out of melee to respawn totems |
| 03:20.21 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian: could you test to see what it really is? last patch the tooltip said 26% for 26% but it was 15% for 15% |
| 03:20.37 | vhaarr | if we can we always use ele shaman + boomkin + 3 more casters grouped |
| 03:20.43 | vhaarr | but we rarely have boomkin |
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| 03:20.52 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: I just tested |
| 03:21.04 | Chaud | WTF |
| 03:21.04 | Chaud | http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9876/wowscrnshot022708210221pu6.jpg |
| 03:21.10 | Gagorian | "Hmm so: Lifetap r1 5% max hp to 15% max mana, r2 12% max hp to 15% max mana, r3 20% max hp to 15% max mana :DD" |
| 03:21.26 | Diao | that was actual test and not tooltip right |
| 03:21.33 | Gagorian | ofc |
| 03:21.49 | Gagorian | So just spam rank1 ftw |
| 03:22.13 | Gagorian | :D |
| 03:22.21 | Gagorian | It's retarded I know, but that's the way it is |
| 03:22.32 | vhaarr | are you kidding? |
| 03:22.51 | Ellipsis | ...wtf? |
| 03:22.55 | vhaarr | they're going to change that anyway, since it's retarded like you say |
| 03:23.02 | Hjalte | I only see 1 rank? |
| 03:23.07 | Ellipsis | seriously, if they did it like that and LET you downrank... |
| 03:23.15 | Ellipsis | or let you skip training to keep the low rank... |
| 03:23.23 | Diao | wow chaud |
| 03:23.27 | Diao | that would make shaman SO OP |
| 03:23.28 | Chaud | Yeah, IDK what to say |
| 03:23.30 | Diao | it's not even funny |
| 03:23.31 | Chaud | about to find a shammy |
| 03:23.38 | RaydenU | hmm |
| 03:23.50 | RaydenU | nurturing instainct (the feral healing talent) is now based on agi instead of str |
| 03:24.00 | RaydenU | and will go to 100% |
| 03:24.05 | Chaud | script for linking spells in wow? |
| 03:24.18 | RaydenU | that's not bad for solo druid or 5 man spot healing |
| 03:24.21 | Diao | shift click it from spellbook? |
| 03:24.25 | Diao | i believe |
| 03:25.12 | Gagorian | vhaarr: Myes it will be changed of course, but I wonder why even bother to put this shit in. It's so flawed :D |
| 03:25.16 | Chaud | not a shammy |
| 03:25.30 | Gagorian | Tooltips say 5% to 5%, 12% to 12% and 20% to 20% |
| 03:25.45 | Gagorian | but it's 5% to 15%, 12% to 15%, 20% to 15% |
| 03:25.51 | Gagorian | so they forgot to change mana returned |
| 03:26.00 | Gagorian | and, besides, that's the same shitty ratio as before |
| 03:26.10 | Gagorian | If not bugged like that, but like the tooltips say |
| 03:26.23 | Diao | oh lol |
| 03:26.34 | Chaud | my skinner is raped |
| 03:26.37 | Hjalte | Gagorian: You had 3 ranks of LT when you logged in? |
| 03:26.38 | Chaud | on PTR |
| 03:26.59 | Diao | so it becomes a pve buff and pvp nerf |
| 03:27.03 | Diao | if it's on the tooltip |
| 03:27.08 | Gagorian | Hjalte: yes |
| 03:27.23 | Gagorian | Well "pve buff" |
| 03:27.31 | Chaud | Rofl, it is true |
| 03:27.31 | Gagorian | The efficiency is still shot to hell |
| 03:27.33 | Hjalte | Yes, on the PTR. I've just logged in on the EU PTR, and I only have 1 rank. Tooltip says 5% --> 5% but is 5% --> 15% |
| 03:27.36 | Chaud | enhance shammy gets MS |
| 03:27.49 | Arrowmaster | thats still a pve nerf too not a buff |
| 03:27.53 | Gagorian | Hjalte: Well I just logged in on EU PTR with 3 ranks |
| 03:28.00 | Diao | you take more than 5 taps to fill your mana bar Arrowmaster? |
| 03:28.01 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: Yup |
| 03:28.07 | Diao | and chaud: not only enh shammy, all shaman |
| 03:28.12 | Arrowmaster | ratio nerf |
| 03:28.19 | CIA-9 | 03isler * r63107 10Decursive/localization.cn.lua: |
| 03:28.19 | CIA-9 | Decursive: |
| 03:28.19 | CIA-9 | - zhCN update |
| 03:28.19 | Diao | imagine ele sham running up to you to stab you with a dagger then unloading their damage |
| 03:28.21 | Diao | :P |
| 03:28.26 | Chaud | wow |
| 03:28.30 | Chaud | that would be /wrists |
| 03:28.37 | Diao | ratio nerf? |
| 03:28.38 | Diao | o_o |
| 03:28.46 | Gagorian | A lot more hp spent per mana |
| 03:28.50 | Gagorian | Meaning you need more heals |
| 03:28.55 | Gagorian | and more dangerous to tap |
| 03:29.07 | Gagorian | Not to talk about solo PvE |
| 03:29.24 | Gagorian | Grinding efficiency goes down loads |
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| 03:29.45 | Chaud | okay, it is not MS |
| 03:29.53 | Chaud | it increases healing done on the target by50% |
| 03:29.54 | Chaud | rofl |
| 03:30.20 | Diao | wtf? |
| 03:30.23 | Diao | lol |
| 03:30.25 | Chaud | Must be buggy |
| 03:30.33 | Chaud | But clearly intended to be a MS effect =\ |
| 03:30.45 | Diao | ROFL |
| 03:30.46 | Antiarc | Oh my god. |
| 03:30.59 | Antiarc | I was just informed that one of my guildmates was found dead this morning. |
| 03:31.09 | WobWork | O.O |
| 03:31.21 | Diao | o_O |
| 03:31.24 | Diao | dead of? |
| 03:31.25 | Antiarc | I don't know what from yet, but he was really sick for the past week or so |
| 03:31.28 | Diao | oh |
| 03:31.39 | Diao | that's terrible |
| 03:31.40 | Antiarc | Like, just common cold sick, it seemed |
| 03:31.47 | Diao | didn't go to the hospital or anything? |
| 03:31.50 | Antiarc | But. I don't even know how to begin approaching this. |
| 03:31.53 | Antiarc | I guess not. |
| 03:32.00 | Chaud | wow, so the toughness like talent is 50% less duration on snares |
| 03:32.15 | Diao | ? |
| 03:32.19 | Diao | which toughness talent :o |
| 03:32.21 | Diao | the +armor one? |
| 03:32.22 | WobWork | Antiarc: Get a postal address |
| 03:32.25 | WobWork | and send flowers |
| 03:32.28 | Antiarc | Yeah. Going to. |
| 03:32.33 | WobWork | or donate to a cause |
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| 03:32.52 | Chaud | yes, in enhance |
| 03:32.59 | Diao | ah wow |
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| 03:34.01 | Chaud | Is there a 2.4 version of skinner on SVN ? |
| 03:34.10 | Hjalte | Meh, why does everyone else than me have three ranks of LT on the PTR? |
| 03:34.37 | Diao | you're broken! |
| 03:38.44 | RaydenU | lol |
| 03:38.50 | RaydenU | free name change on server transfer |
| 03:39.01 | RaydenU | just create a character with your name on the server you are transferring to |
| 03:39.11 | Diao | yep |
| 03:39.12 | Hjalte | You didn't know that? :) |
| 03:39.16 | Diao | lots of people do that |
| 03:39.21 | Chaud | Welcome to WoW =p |
| 03:39.22 | RaydenU | i had never considered transferring or changing names |
| 03:39.26 | RaydenU | so i hadn't thought about it |
| 03:39.44 | Arrowmaster | i have a solution to LT, make it 5%/12%/20% max hp converted to mana, but make it effected by resilence so if you wear over 100 res it starts scaling down the amount of mana gained |
| 03:39.54 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63108 10LootWhore/LootWhore.lua: LootWhore: Bugfix. |
| 03:39.56 | Arrowmaster | somebody get hortus to make that change |
| 03:40.07 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: Yes that would work, but it's a bit complex |
| 03:40.08 | Diao | converted to equal amount of mana and not % right? |
| 03:40.11 | Gagorian | I doubt they will do complex |
| 03:40.29 | Hjalte | Arrowmaster: Why even have a 5% option? Not even low levels would like 5% hp --> 5% mana. |
| 03:40.37 | Arrowmaster | yeah equal amount, not damn % of max mana crap |
| 03:40.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah 5% to 5% is rank 1 |
| 03:41.06 | Hjalte | But that's crap for everyone. |
| 03:41.23 | WobWork | well that's a low level |
| 03:41.23 | Diao | just make resil affect mana regain the same as it reduces crit damage |
| 03:41.38 | Diao | so like max resil (which most pvp locks have) would reduce the amount of mana gained by 25% |
| 03:41.44 | Hjalte | 5% --> 5% doesn't get any better just because the character is low level :) |
| 03:42.03 | Hjalte | Ah. You guys want to give warlocks all three? |
| 03:42.09 | Hjalte | At the same time. |
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| 03:42.25 | Diao | all 3 what |
| 03:42.34 | Hjalte | all three ranks of life tap. |
| 03:42.45 | Diao | oh |
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| 03:46.57 | Gagorian | Bibi |
| 03:47.17 | Bibi | Gagorian |
| 03:48.07 | Bibi | what can I do for you ! |
| 03:48.07 | Gagorian | The warlock lifetap is bugged if you want to add the info |
| 03:48.24 | Gagorian | Also there's three ranks |
| 03:48.27 | Bibi | yeah, no, it's always bugged |
| 03:48.30 | Bibi | and I added the 3 ranks |
| 03:48.32 | Bibi | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/lifetapranks.jpg |
| 03:48.35 | CIA-9 | 03barfolomeu * r63109 10/branches/FlightHUD/ (FlightHUD.lua FlightHUD.toc): Add config option to scale the pitch graphic. |
| 03:48.51 | Bibi | but the tooltip says it's supposed to work this way, so we'll assume that's the intended change ^^ |
| 03:49.17 | Gagorian | Perhaps, but for now all ranks tap the same amount |
| 03:49.20 | Gagorian | for the listed amount of hp :p |
| 03:49.40 | Gagorian | You were quick to update between refreshes! |
| 03:50.07 | CIA-9 | 03barfolomeu * r63110 10FlightHUD/ (FlightHUD.lua FlightHUD.toc Locale-enUS.lua): FlightHUD: Add config option to scale the pitch graphic. Merge from branches -r63109. |
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| 03:52.02 | WobWork | what's a lifta prank? =) |
| 03:52.15 | NeoTron | so I am less upset about the new lifetap |
| 03:52.28 | NeoTron | it is a dps boost at a rather significant health tax |
| 03:52.45 | NeoTron | sucks for soloing |
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| 03:53.44 | Fritz | Does anyone know an addon that'll let you move the zone text that appears in the middle of the screen? I use a viewport and it appears right over my character. Been looking everywhere. |
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| 03:55.02 | Chaud | Don't use a viewport then =p |
| 03:55.27 | Fritz | Not an option. |
| 03:57.06 | Chaud | Tried move anything? |
| 03:57.19 | NeoTron | Hjalte: 5% => 5% for when you have less health or can't risk a big tap I presume.. |
| 03:57.25 | Gagorian | Hjalte |
| 03:57.32 | Gagorian | Are you on EU PvP or PvE? |
| 03:57.36 | Hjalte | EU |
| 03:57.39 | Hjalte | PvE |
| 03:57.53 | Fritz | Move Anything is outdated to my knowledge. |
| 03:57.59 | Yssaril | does wow support tga files as textures? |
| 03:58.04 | Gagorian | Hmm, cause apparently some realms have different lifetaps :P |
| 03:58.09 | Gagorian | But I think I was on EU PvE too |
| 03:58.12 | Gagorian | Weird |
| 03:58.20 | Hjalte | NeoTron: Yeah, but then you have to provide everyone with all the ranks. |
| 03:58.44 | Chaud | IDK, worked for this guy in mid 07 http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html;jsessionid=3DE25CE4F5670165B1AFE27F4BEE0522.app09_05?topicId=771467311&sid=1 |
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| 04:00.10 | Fritz | That's MoveIt, not MoveAnything. And MoveIt has a major conflict with Cartographer and other addons :/ |
| 04:00.21 | Fritz | Wait no |
| 04:00.22 | Fritz | I misread |
| 04:00.27 | Fritz | I'll try MoveAnything. |
| 04:00.33 | Chaud | " Where just testing if "MoveIt" could move your zone text, it could move everything else but not that, so I suggest you try "MoveAnything!" -" |
| 04:00.34 | Chaud | yeah |
| 04:01.04 | NeoTron | lol @ blizzard |
| 04:01.09 | NeoTron | I can't train any other lifetap ranks |
| 04:01.13 | NeoTron | so I have only 5% one |
| 04:02.13 | Chaud | What is Shamanistic Rage change |
| 04:03.26 | Gagorian | Twice AP half duration |
| 04:03.36 | Gagorian | Making it more efficient per time |
| 04:04.10 | Gagorian | And I guess less susceptible to dispells |
| 04:04.14 | Gagorian | Because it's not as long |
| 04:04.16 | Gagorian | :C |
| 04:05.08 | Chaud | didnt they change it to undispelable last build |
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| 04:06.43 | Gagorian | Oh yeah they did |
| 04:07.02 | Gagorian | It regenerates the same mana in half the time then |
| 04:07.24 | Gagorian | on the other hand |
| 04:07.30 | Gagorian | you get less duration on the mitigation |
| 04:07.50 | Gagorian | So overall it's a nerf |
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| 04:08.33 | Gagorian | To the last build that is |
| 04:08.40 | Gagorian | But an improvement over live |
| 04:08.50 | Gagorian | Cause there you can just remove it as you please |
| 04:10.09 | Gagorian | hmmmm |
| 04:10.16 | Gagorian | What's this mortal strike for enhancement shammies |
| 04:10.37 | Gngsk | any shaman |
| 04:10.42 | Gngsk | flametongue |
| 04:10.48 | Gagorian | Oh yeah, any |
| 04:10.55 | Gagorian | but |
| 04:11.03 | Gagorian | Other shammies won't really hit that much |
| 04:11.07 | Gagorian | Will they |
| 04:11.27 | Gngsk | for a mana free MS, I'd imagine any shaman will stab someone when it's pertinent |
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| 04:12.50 | Gagorian | 5s duration, refreshes each hit |
| 04:12.55 | Gagorian | That's quite sick |
| 04:13.12 | Guillotine | Flametongue doesn't have MS... |
| 04:13.18 | Guillotine | at least not according to the tooltip |
| 04:13.35 | Gngsk | haven't seen the screenshots? |
| 04:13.52 | Guillotine | I was just on the PTR checking o.O |
| 04:13.54 | Guillotine | because I had heard it |
| 04:13.57 | lagger | it does |
| 04:14.01 | lagger | i just checked on my shaman |
| 04:14.08 | Gngsk | http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9876/wowscrnshot022708210221pu6.jpg |
| 04:14.12 | Guillotine | strange, maybe the tooltips of all ranks haven't been updated |
| 04:14.21 | Gagorian | Not on the tooltip |
| 04:14.22 | Gagorian | The debuff |
| 04:14.23 | Gngsk | although it seems to be bugged and giving the opposite effect? |
| 04:14.23 | Guillotine | ohhh |
| 04:14.24 | Guillotine | I see |
| 04:16.12 | MentalPower | So, we just had this specimen come by #Norganna http://ace.pastey.net/83061 its a prime example of the typical Ace Fanboi (I link it so you guys have a laugh, not meant to degrade in any way) |
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| 04:17.02 | Chaud | =( what a pro |
| 04:17.32 | Mikk | laf |
| 04:18.10 | Gngsk | I'd say he's more of a moron than an ace fanboi |
| 04:18.11 | WobWork | ... |
| 04:18.32 | Gagorian | Might as well give every class MS soon |
| 04:18.43 | WobWork | who needs healing? |
| 04:18.46 | Gagorian | Indeed |
| 04:18.49 | WobWork | Healing is outdated |
| 04:18.53 | Tem|AFK | Gngsk, you seem to be under the impression that "fanboi" and "moron" mean differnt things |
| 04:18.59 | Gagorian | Just make everyone have MS and Purge/dispell |
| 04:19.03 | Gagorian | Fair is fair, right? |
| 04:19.18 | WobWork | Tem|AFK: nah, this moronocity is due to ignorance |
| 04:19.29 | Chaud | MS on icelance =) |
| 04:19.44 | durcyn | Tem|AFK: Fanboi = moron who should know better? |
| 04:19.44 | WobWork | fanboism is a wilful ignorance |
| 04:19.56 | WobWork | ignorance can be cured |
| 04:20.05 | WobWork | fanboism can only be deluded |
| 04:20.08 | Gagorian | MS on.. hmm |
| 04:20.09 | Gagorian | fear |
| 04:20.12 | Gagorian | deathcoil |
| 04:20.14 | Tem|AFK | meh |
| 04:20.21 | Gagorian | if you stack fear and deathcoil then it'd be 75% reduced |
| 04:20.21 | WobWork | MS on melee =P |
| 04:20.29 | WobWork | \or cast |
| 04:20.38 | Gagorian | Wands could have MS effect |
| 04:20.48 | WobWork | combat based MS! |
| 04:20.53 | Chaud | rofl |
| 04:20.58 | WobWork | You go into combat, *POW* MS'd =P |
| 04:21.01 | Gagorian | When you enter combat you gain MS yes |
| 04:21.08 | Gagorian | Then you can remove it from all classes |
| 04:21.14 | Gagorian | Easy! |
| 04:21.16 | Chaud | ap pom pyro MS |
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| 04:22.21 | Gagorian | It's starting to get ridiculous with that MS in all honesty |
| 04:22.37 | WobWork | agreed |
| 04:22.56 | Gagorian | If now even resto shammys can apply it |
| 04:23.00 | Gagorian | Between heals |
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| 04:23.07 | Gagorian | In theory at least |
| 04:23.13 | Gagorian | It's just too much :D |
| 04:23.52 | WobWork | So I guess the only way to avoid MS effects now |
| 04:23.56 | WobWork | is to avoid being hit |
| 04:23.57 | WobWork | at all |
| 04:24.06 | WobWork | and thus negate the requirement for healing |
| 04:24.15 | WobWork | Win! |
| 04:25.50 | Chaud | rofl |
| 04:25.58 | Chaud | a new PvE realm on the worst battlegroup |
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| 04:27.36 | Nandini | definitely need MS moonfire spam |
| 04:28.01 | Gagorian | Would be nicely balanced with all the other MS effects |
| 04:28.02 | Nandini | dots can be like little mini-MSes that keep ticking on you |
| 04:28.05 | Gagorian | Fit nicely in there |
| 04:28.17 | Gagorian | Seed of corruption could also do AoE MS |
| 04:28.29 | Gagorian | Just to save a bit of time |
| 04:28.41 | Chaud | that would be amazing in AV |
| 04:29.06 | Chaud | I hope they add turn in marks of a certain kind for honor |
| 04:29.10 | Gagorian | Well almost everyone would have it anyway |
| 04:29.10 | Chaud | instead of 1 of each =\ |
| 04:29.23 | Gagorian | So just spreads the MS debuff around evenly |
| 04:29.33 | Nandini | 1 of each is reasonable, it is meant to restore interest in some of the lesser played (or boycotted) BGs |
| 04:29.46 | Gagorian | Could make soulwells for people to get their MS debuff |
| 04:29.50 | Gagorian | 25 debuffs per soulwell |
| 04:29.53 | Chaud | That is the problem, they are awful and not worth it |
| 04:29.54 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia * r63111 10MobileVault/ (Core.lua Frames.lua Locales/Locale-enUS.lua): |
| 04:29.54 | CIA-9 | MobileVault: |
| 04:29.54 | CIA-9 | - Fix the nil concat error on line 490 |
| 04:29.54 | CIA-9 | - Addon now starts at a splash screen on first frame show, after the first it should start at last viewed tab |
| 04:30.00 | Nandini | ooh even better, lightwell MS! |
| 04:30.15 | Chaud | Fix the BGs instead of adding this quest |
| 04:30.15 | Nandini | did your MS drop? no problem, just click the lightwell to reduce healing on you :) |
| 04:30.16 | Gagorian | True, lightwell would be useful. Just get the debuff on you and that over with |
| 04:30.29 | Chaud | WSG changes are a step in the right direction |
| 04:30.35 | JoshBorke | woot, i have written a mod to convert LibDataBroker to LegoBlock |
| 04:30.44 | Gagorian | You'll have it anyway, at least you'll make sure healing on you is consistent |
| 04:30.45 | Nandini | as a frequent flag runner i support the WSG changes |
| 04:31.01 | Nandini | i never hold the flag longer than 5 mins anyway, if it gets to 5 mins, i run it right back to their base |
| 04:31.27 | Nandini | i won't support my own team turtling |
| 04:31.57 | Chaud | =( |
| 04:32.21 | Nandini | i think people will still turtle with the flag, these changes will just make it less effective |
| 04:33.16 | lagger | anyone know why this doesnt work |
| 04:33.20 | lagger | if eventtype == "SPELL_AURA_APPLIED" and bit.band(dstFlags,hostileunits) > 0 then --mystuff here end |
| 04:33.34 | lagger | hostileunits being COMBATLOG_FILTER_HOSTILE_UNITS |
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| 04:34.03 | Nandini | you're trying to catch a hostile unite getting a buff here? |
| 04:34.10 | Nandini | unit* |
| 04:34.11 | lagger | yeah |
| 04:34.25 | lagger | it catches |
| 04:34.34 | lagger | buffs applied to myself |
| 04:34.56 | Nandini | can you actually see those events in your log for hostile units? |
| 04:35.25 | lagger | yes |
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| 04:35.50 | lagger | i added a filter |
| 04:36.02 | lagger | CombatLogAddFilter("SPELL_AURA_APPLIED",nil,hostileunits) |
| 04:39.13 | Arrowmaster | lagger: try source instead of destination |
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| 04:40.45 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia 072.4-Dev * r63112 10SimpleMD/SimpleMD.lua: SimpleMD: Stop non-hunters from broadcasting faded messages (darn tanks wanting to see MD info) *drycoded* |
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| 04:55.52 | mikma | does GatherMate_Data have the locations of Netherwing Eggs |
| 04:56.11 | Nandini | i believe it's included in the treasure data |
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| 04:56.26 | mikma | woo, then i think i should enable it :D |
| 04:57.32 | CIA-9 | 03benumbed * r63115 10DaPortrait/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:57.32 | CIA-9 | DaPortrait: |
| 04:57.32 | CIA-9 | - Too much to list (mostly some things and stuff) |
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| 05:07.15 | CIA-9 | DaPortrait: |
| 05:07.15 | CIA-9 | - Check for RaidTargetIcon on Refresh |
| 05:09.22 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: ping |
| 05:09.28 | Xinhuan | pong |
| 05:09.55 | Yssaril | since you made routes can u explain how SetTexCoord(ULx,ULy,LLx,LLy,URx,URy,LRx,LRy) works it confuses the heck out of me |
| 05:10.21 | WobWork | hehe |
| 05:10.29 | WobWork | Xin knows all the moves |
| 05:10.50 | Xinhuan | the first 2 arguments ULx and ULy is to specify the "image coordinates" of where you want your UpperLeft corner to be |
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| 05:11.13 | Yssaril | ok |
| 05:11.15 | Xinhuan | image coordintes are (0,0) in the UL corner, (1,1) in the BR corner |
| 05:11.40 | Yssaril | that much i understood |
| 05:11.51 | Xinhuan | that's about it |
| 05:12.18 | WobWork | Yssaril: are you wanting to rotate? |
| 05:12.21 | WobWork | Or skew |
| 05:12.34 | Yssaril | but how does SetTexCoord(2, 1.5, 2, -.5, 0, 1.5, 0, -.5) turn into an upside down image that is half the size and vertically centered but right justified inside the texture area? |
| 05:12.40 | Yssaril | rotate |
| 05:12.52 | Yssaril | and am trying to make sense of things |
| 05:13.04 | WobWork | Probably best not to go so complex first off |
| 05:13.10 | WobWork | just start with rotation |
| 05:13.32 | WobWork | wowwiki now has a simple rotation algo |
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| 05:13.56 | WobWork | but essentially, you're swapping the coordinates for each corner to a new 'corner' |
| 05:14.10 | WobWork | by moving each coordinate 'around' the frame |
| 05:14.17 | WobWork | *corner coordinate |
| 05:14.57 | Yssaril | WobWork: i figured out how to simply rotate 90 180 270 degrees that wasn't hard :) |
| 05:15.19 | Yssaril | but its the complex things that get me messed up |
| 05:15.23 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:15.31 | WobWork | apply the changes one at a time |
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| 05:16.28 | MentalPower | hmm... I have a much simpler rotateTexture() |
| 05:16.31 | MentalPower | one sec |
| 05:16.43 | WobWork | by increasing the range from 0,1 to outside that range (eg -1, 2) |
| 05:16.55 | WobWork | you're effectively shrinking the image in half |
| 05:17.42 | Yssaril | ok |
| 05:17.46 | WobWork | by shifting the endpoints of that range from say -1,2 to -0.5, 2.5 you're moving the image in a certain direction |
| 05:17.56 | WobWork | (to the right, I think) |
| 05:18.09 | WobWork | for left/right anyway |
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| 05:19.04 | Yssaril | SetTexCoord(0, -.5, 0, 1.5, 2, -.5, 2, 1.5) <-- that will shrink it to half size and move it against the left side of the total region |
| 05:19.19 | Zhinjio | omg, I'm so full. |
| 05:19.23 | Zhinjio | fondue night. |
| 05:19.39 | WobWork | Yssaril: Possibly =) I can't tell off the top of my head, but that looks about right =) |
| 05:19.49 | Xinhuan | just plot it out |
| 05:19.50 | Xinhuan | on a paper |
| 05:19.53 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:19.58 | WobWork | easier to visualise when drawn |
| 05:20.11 | Xinhuan | the quadlitateral specified will be stretched to your texture rectangle |
| 05:20.56 | Yssaril | to me SetTexCoord(0, .25, 0, .75, .5, .25, .5, .75) < - that would make sense in my head if the coordinates of the region is UL:0,0 to LR 1,1 |
| 05:21.32 | Xinhuan | you can give coordinates outside the [0,1] region |
| 05:21.44 | WobWork | That would shrink the image |
| 05:21.48 | Xinhuan | the color of pixels outside the image can be tricky |
| 05:22.04 | WobWork | You might want to make your texture with a border of 'transparent' |
| 05:22.13 | WobWork | which hopefully gets extended |
| 05:22.23 | Xinhuan | SetTexCoord(0, .25, 0, .75, .5, .25, .5, .75) this just takes a subrectangle of your image |
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| 05:24.09 | Yssaril | i think i just figured it out :) |
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| 05:24.58 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: thanks it jsut clicked :) |
| 05:25.15 | kebinusan | is there any decent mod someone could recommend for organizing healers/healing assignments |
| 05:25.20 | Sole | good evening all |
| 05:25.22 | Xinhuan | once you figure it out it should be fairly easy to get the maths to do whatever transformation you want |
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| 05:30.28 | MentalPower | Yssaril: http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations#Even_simpler_rotation_of_textures_about_the_center |
| 05:30.35 | MentalPower | (last function) |
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| 05:31.12 | CIA-9 | 03benumbed * r63117 10DaPortrait/Config.lua: |
| 05:31.12 | CIA-9 | DaPortrait: |
| 05:31.12 | CIA-9 | - Updated FAQ |
| 05:32.38 | WobWork | MentalPower: That tag doesn't exist, does it? |
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| 05:33.03 | MentalPower | I just created it |
| 05:33.09 | MentalPower | so yes, it does |
| 05:33.12 | WobWork | aha |
| 05:33.52 | Yssaril | MentalPower: thanks but i dont want to rotate about center :P |
| 05:34.02 | WobWork | pfft |
| 05:34.04 | WobWork | troublemaker |
| 05:34.29 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 05:34.34 | MentalPower | it should not be that hard to modify my func to do it about an arbitrary point |
| 05:35.08 | WobWork | every time I see " IHML - I Have Macro Lol! - Official thread" |
| 05:35.14 | WobWork | I think FAIL AT LOLCAT |
| 05:35.35 | Seerah | someone said that it should be "I Has Macro Lol!" |
| 05:35.48 | WobWork | It's "I can has macro" =P |
| 05:35.56 | Seerah | ahh yes |
| 05:36.18 | WobWork | Or I has a macro |
| 05:36.25 | WobWork | (oh noes they be taking my macro) |
| 05:36.40 | WobWork | lolcat is srs bsnss |
| 05:36.45 | WobWork | srsly |
| 05:38.21 | Yssaril | somone should make a chat mod that records chat history and call it keylogger :P |
| 05:39.02 | Seerah | lol |
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| 05:42.03 | Yssaril | is it true in lua that x*x is faster than x^2? |
| 05:42.43 | Xinhuan | test it |
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| 05:43.22 | Xinhuan | lua> a = os.time() for i = 1, 1e6 do i = i*i end print(os.time() - a) |
| 05:43.23 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 0 |
| 05:43.26 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 05:43.39 | Yssaril | rofl |
| 05:43.55 | Yssaril | >lua> a = os.time() for i = 1, 1e18 do i = i*i end print(os.time() - a) |
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| 05:44.07 | Yssaril | lua> a = os.time() for i = 1, 1e60 do i = i*i end print(os.time() - a) |
| 05:44.12 | lua_bot | Yssaril: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 05:44.17 | Yssaril | bah' |
| 05:44.28 | Yssaril | lua> a = os.time() for i = 1, 1e20 do i = i*i end print(os.time() - a) |
| 05:44.34 | lua_bot | Yssaril: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 05:44.42 | Yssaril | lua> a = os.time() for i = 1, 1e7 do i = i*i end print(os.time() - a) |
| 05:44.43 | lua_bot | Yssaril: 0 |
| 05:45.01 | kergoth | Yssaril: just read that (x*x vs x^2) in one of hte lua-users wiki pages about the possibility of macro expansion, but i dunno if that was current info, wikis being what they are.. |
| 05:45.02 | kergoth | heh |
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| 05:45.38 | Thorgard | Oh boy.. a 17 Growth Gruul kill. |
| 05:45.56 | Yssaril | Thorgard: sucky dps? |
| 05:46.09 | Thorgard | Yssaril, in the sense that they all died half-way through the fight, yeah. ;P |
| 05:46.25 | Thorgard | Luckily the tanks were geared. |
| 05:46.35 | Yssaril | hehe gj though on not having the tank die |
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| 05:47.21 | aestil | so, this show on fox, with this guy from cheers, and this girl from eveirybody loves raymond is horrible. |
| 05:47.50 | aestil | back to you. |
| 05:47.54 | aestil | wow. |
| 05:48.34 | CIA-9 | 03ackis * r63118 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Tailor.lua: |
| 05:48.34 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 05:48.34 | CIA-9 | -Fix for frFR |
| 05:48.55 | aestil | these jokes are so tired. they are like a fish out of water struggling vainly to get back in the water. |
| 05:50.39 | WobWork | Your extended analogy is like an analogy that's been... extended =) |
| 05:51.35 | Yssaril | lua> math.ceil (-1.5) |
| 05:51.35 | lua_bot | Yssaril: -1 |
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| 05:52.59 | WobWork | hum |
| 05:53.23 | Diao | so i was thinking with new shaman changes.. enh sham, ret pally, resto druid 3v3 team? |
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| 06:05.29 | CIA-9 | 03chuanhsing * r63119 10ClearFont2/Core.lua: ClearFont2: update zhTW & zhCN |
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| 06:11.07 | Kurax | lua> for k,v in pairs({"one","two"}) do print(k) end |
| 06:11.07 | lua_bot | Kurax: 1, 2 |
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| 06:13.47 | Kurax | lua> for k,v in ipairs({"one"=1,"two"=2}) do print(k) end |
| 06:13.47 | lua_bot | Kurax: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 06:14.06 | WobWork | don't use " |
| 06:14.08 | vhaarr | {one=1,two=2} |
| 06:14.20 | Kurax | lua> for k,v in ipairs({one=1,two=2}) do print(k) end |
| 06:14.21 | lua_bot | Kurax: No output |
| 06:14.31 | vhaarr | {["one"]=1,["two"]=2} |
| 06:14.32 | [SW]Dodge | or { ["one"]=1,...} |
| 06:14.37 | vhaarr | that's not a list |
| 06:14.42 | vhaarr | you must use pairs |
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| 06:14.58 | Yssaril | lua> for k,v in pairs({one=1,two=2}) do print(k) end |
| 06:14.58 | lua_bot | Yssaril: one, two |
| 06:15.06 | Kurax | Yeah, trying figure out the differences between ipairs and pairs |
| 06:15.19 | vhaarr | it's quite simple, use ipairs for a indexed table |
| 06:15.30 | Kurax | I got a mixed one |
| 06:15.31 | vhaarr | pairs for a keyed one |
| 06:15.34 | Yssaril | ipairs will iterate over the table starting at 1 and going to n till it finds a nil value |
| 06:16.01 | Yssaril | pairs will give you any key,value pair but in arbitrary order |
| 06:16.10 | vhaarr | Kurax: if you have a mixed one, I dare say you should consider a redesign |
| 06:16.27 | Kurax | not my code anyway |
| 06:17.19 | Kurax | so, is there anyway to detect if a table is an indexed or keyed? |
| 06:17.35 | Kurax | assume it's not a mixed |
| 06:17.49 | kergoth | "detect"? |
| 06:17.58 | kergoth | whoever coded it knows which it is |
| 06:18.02 | kergoth | you dont need to figure it out at runtime |
| 06:18.15 | Yssaril | Kurax: not really unless you want to check every iteration of pairs and check if you only have integers present :) |
| 06:18.27 | WobWork | well no |
| 06:18.29 | WobWork | you can |
| 06:18.36 | Kurax | But in fact I'm in such a situation |
| 06:18.43 | WobWork | if #table is 0 and pairs gives some iterations |
| 06:18.47 | Yssaril | but yea you should know what the table contains if you try to access it |
| 06:18.48 | Kurax | I need to test out the table type in runtime |
| 06:18.51 | WobWork | then it's keyed |
| 06:19.01 | WobWork | if #table > 0 then it's indexed |
| 06:19.08 | WobWork | that's only if it's not mixed |
| 06:19.34 | Kurax | WobWork: Thanks, I'll have a try |
| 06:20.09 | Yssaril | lua> a = {1='1',2='2',4='4'}; print(a[#a]) |
| 06:20.09 | lua_bot | Yssaril: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 06:20.30 | Yssaril | lua> a = {[1]='1',[2]='2',[4]='4'}; print(a[#a]) |
| 06:20.30 | lua_bot | Yssaril: 4 |
| 06:20.42 | CIA-9 | 03kergoth * r63120 10Baggins_Auctioneer/Baggins_Auctioneer.toc: Baggins_Auctioneer: LoadWith BtmScan rather than forcing it to load at login via Dependencies. |
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| 06:21.05 | Yssaril | lua> a = {[1]='1',[2]='2',[4]='4'}; for i,v in ipairs do print(i) end |
| 06:21.06 | lua_bot | Yssaril: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to '(for generator)' (table expected, got nil) |
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| 06:21.19 | Yssaril | lua> a = {[1]='1',[2]='2',[4]='4'}; for i,v in ipairs(a) do print(i) end |
| 06:21.20 | lua_bot | Yssaril: 1, 2 |
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| 06:21.55 | Yssaril | WobWork: cant really check #table if its indexable |
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| 06:22.12 | Yssaril | only returns the largest integer it finds as key |
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| 06:23.17 | Yssaril | lua> a = {[0]='1'}; print(a[#a]) |
| 06:23.18 | lua_bot | Yssaril: 1 |
| 06:23.31 | Kurax | lua> print(#{["one"]=1,["two"]=2}) |
| 06:23.32 | lua_bot | Kurax: 0 |
| 06:23.34 | CIA-9 | 03kergoth * r63121 10Baggins_Auctioneer/Baggins_Auctioneer.lua: Baggins_Auctioneer: add 'snatch' btmscan module. |
| 06:24.07 | Yssaril | Kurax: waht are you trying to do anyways? |
| 06:25.43 | CIA-9 | 03wobin * r63122 10Xparky/Xparky.lua: Xparky - Prep code for later work. Technically shouldn't break anything. |
| 06:25.43 | Kurax | I'm trying to write a recursive function that search a deep nested table for some specified data |
| 06:29.14 | Yssaril | Kurax: does order matter? |
| 06:29.48 | Kurax | nope, just need to iterate every piece of the table structure |
| 06:30.04 | Yssaril | just use pairs |
| 06:30.05 | kergoth | then use pairs and be done with it |
| 06:30.47 | Kurax | Is pairs can works well on indexed tables? |
| 06:30.53 | kergoth | yes |
| 06:30.56 | kergoth | just the order is undefined |
| 06:31.07 | Kurax | Ok, I see |
| 06:31.22 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r63123 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: PitBull - possible fix for party clusters in raid |
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| 06:33.25 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r63124 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: PitBull - better solution from before |
| 06:38.25 | Yssaril | lua> math.rad(180) |
| 06:38.26 | lua_bot | Yssaril: 3.1415926535898 |
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| 06:45.46 | Thorgard | Is there no more lightweight alternative to Auctioneer? |
| 06:46.09 | NightHawkTheSane | no. given what it does, auctioneer is fairly lightweight |
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| 06:51.38 | kergoth | auctioneer works well, especially advanced, which can load just the auction prices/stats in seperate little addons instead of loading the full scan data all the time |
| 06:52.03 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: what do you think http://yssaril.pastey.net/83071 |
| 06:52.31 | Xinhuan | purpose? |
| 06:53.09 | Yssaril | generate a table for my texture wich i can feed angles and it will give me its coordinates at that angle :) |
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| 06:53.23 | Xinhuan | you're just doing a translation to origin, rotation, then translation back to the original point |
| 06:53.39 | Xinhuan | looks fine |
| 06:54.00 | Yssaril | woot :) u see anyway of making it more efficient? |
| 06:54.09 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 06:54.21 | Xinhuan | don't return a new table on every getRotationTable() call |
| 06:56.02 | Yssaril | ummm why not? i only use it initially for each texture i want to rotate about some point and then use the table to get all teh coords |
| 06:56.33 | Xinhuan | if its only code you want to execute once, why put it in a function |
| 06:56.37 | Xinhuan | why not put it in main chunk |
| 06:57.04 | Xinhuan | if i do getRotationTable(), i'm creating a new table[] everytime |
| 06:57.06 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: cause i am planing to have multible textures that i want to rotate differently :) |
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| 06:57.21 | Xinhuan | yeah the same table will suffice |
| 06:57.37 | Xinhuan | i don't see the point of returning a new table with a new metatable |
| 06:57.57 | Yssaril | hmm not sure about that if i want to scale my texture differently for each rotation |
| 06:58.18 | Xinhuan | your table just calculates |
| 06:58.21 | Xinhuan | it is irrelevant |
| 06:58.44 | Yssaril | hmm let me try something |
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| 06:59.44 | Xinhuan | the function is fine in its own closure, but keep in mind each closure is fixed once you do this |
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| 07:01.12 | Xinhuan | maybe i'm misunderstanding what you're doing heh |
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| 07:03.52 | Yssaril | i am doing 2 things i am scaleing my texture and rotating it about some point i feed the function the coords for my scaled texture and the point i want to rotate about the function then returns me a table for that specific scaling/rotationpoint where all i now have to do is feed it a angle and it spits out the coords :) |
| 07:05.04 | Yssaril | and i am using the table to cache my angles so that i dont have to recalculate them all the time |
| 07:05.32 | Yssaril | eventual goal is to dynamically rotate a texture ingame :) |
| 07:05.44 | Xinhuan | i see |
| 07:05.51 | Xinhuan | what addon is this? |
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| 07:06.23 | Yssaril | curently its just called TestBed :P (its the addon i use to test random stuff) |
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| 07:19.41 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63125 10/trunk/ (28 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 07:19.41 | CIA-9 | .oRA2: |
| 07:19.41 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.42 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.42 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.46 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.48 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.46 | Ellipsis | zomg, oRA cleanup? |
| 07:20.56 | Ellipsis | does that mean I can use it again? |
| 07:20.59 | Diao | hmm |
| 07:21.06 | Diao | what was wrong with it before |
| 07:21.10 | Diao | and how do you do a rank based invite o_O |
| 07:22.04 | Diao | oh |
| 07:22.05 | Diao | rarinvite |
| 07:22.08 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63126 10XRS/XRS_BarClass.lua: |
| 07:22.08 | CIA-9 | XRS: |
| 07:22.08 | CIA-9 | - Fix As Posted @ http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1757.msg161742#msg161742 |
| 07:22.30 | Diao | that fix took long enough :O |
| 07:22.47 | Gngsk | is that the one that happens when you join AV from time to time? |
| 07:22.50 | Diao | any bg |
| 07:22.54 | neenee | Does Grid have Target, Focus, etc frames? |
| 07:22.56 | Gngsk | yeah, that was annoying |
| 07:23.01 | Ellipsis | no, neenee |
| 07:23.03 | Ellipsis | just raid |
| 07:23.09 | Gngsk | and raidpet! |
| 07:23.11 | Ellipsis | (well, party too if you're into that) |
| 07:23.18 | neenee | hm |
| 07:23.20 | neenee | ok |
| 07:23.31 | neenee | I'll try Pitbull again. |
| 07:23.36 | Diao | so yeah, what was wrong with ora2? |
| 07:23.40 | Ellipsis | ugh, oRA still includes half a dozen useless bar textures? |
| 07:23.51 | Ellipsis | Diao: it required me to install like 6 random libs I didn't need otherwise |
| 07:24.02 | Diao | clearly you don't use enough addons! |
| 07:24.03 | Diao | :P |
| 07:24.11 | Ellipsis | I use just enough for my needs tyvm :) |
| 07:24.32 | Ellipsis | and since I don't normally raid, my needs don't really include oRA most of the time |
| 07:24.44 | Ellipsis | but it would be nice to have on the rare occasions I'm invited to a kara pug or something |
| 07:25.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ill invite you to a kara pug.. in my pants |
| 07:25.32 | Diao | does it even load the libs |
| 07:25.35 | Diao | if ora2 isn't loading |
| 07:26.15 | Ellipsis | Diao: oRA itself probably (hopefully) doesn't until I join a raid |
| 07:26.30 | Diao | yep, it doesn't |
| 07:26.31 | Ellipsis | but other addons which optionally support them would, for things like waterfall |
| 07:26.34 | Diao | and once you leave the raid it disables itself |
| 07:26.40 | Diao | oh |
| 07:26.52 | vhaarr | waterfall is optional for ora as well |
| 07:26.55 | vhaarr | you can safely remove it |
| 07:27.16 | Ellipsis | vhaarr: are paintchips, candybar, and window-1.0 still required? |
| 07:27.29 | vhaarr | they are, but we could get rid of paintchips |
| 07:27.36 | Ellipsis | well I'll wait for that then |
| 07:27.51 | Ellipsis | I don't see why I should install those libs when I never even use oRA display of anything |
| 07:27.52 | Sole | I think I remember candybar requiring paintchips also |
| 07:27.53 | nevcairiel | didnt candybar require paintchips anyway? |
| 07:28.03 | Diao | what's candybar used for in ora2 |
| 07:28.07 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: no, I removed that dep |
| 07:28.11 | Sole | timing something, somewhere |
| 07:28.21 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: you can pass in colors as rgb pairs now as well |
| 07:28.27 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 07:28.28 | vhaarr | Diao: cooldown bars |
| 07:28.28 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 07:28.32 | Diao | oh |
| 07:30.24 | vhaarr | time to lean back and watch things break |
| 07:30.31 | Ellipsis | that's the best part |
| 07:30.33 | vhaarr | I'll be back in 8 hours |
| 07:30.35 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 07:30.44 | nevcairiel | wow, new alchemists stones |
| 07:30.44 | nevcairiel | ftw |
| 07:30.46 | nevcairiel | wtb |
| 07:31.05 | nevcairiel | thanks blizzard :D |
| 07:31.24 | neenee | Are they actually in the game yet? |
| 07:31.33 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 07:31.35 | nevcairiel | on PTR |
| 07:31.38 | neenee | Ah. |
| 07:31.40 | neenee | Not really then :P |
| 07:31.52 | nevcairiel | but they own! |
| 07:31.57 | nevcairiel | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/alchemystones.jpg |
| 07:32.02 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: http://yssaril.pastey.net/83072 if you want to check out my rotation table in action (test code only dosn't mean anything yet just shows of that it works) |
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| 07:32.27 | neenee | nice, but not for the non-raiding community :| |
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| 07:32.41 | neenee | Unless the vortexes can be had without raiding |
| 07:32.49 | Yssaril | holy crap its something i might actually use |
| 07:32.54 | Gngsk | you're way behind the times neenee |
| 07:32.59 | Gngsk | vortexes can be bought with badges of justice |
| 07:32.59 | neenee | I am? |
| 07:33.02 | neenee | Ah. |
| 07:33.07 | Yssaril | neenee 15 badges = one vortext at least on the PTR |
| 07:33.10 | neenee | And the badges come from dailies too, right? |
| 07:33.29 | Ellipsis | badges come from heroics and kara, bonus badges from daily heroic quest |
| 07:33.35 | neenee | ok |
| 07:33.48 | Yssaril | and will drop from 25man bosses too now |
| 07:33.52 | Ellipsis | ...wow... |
| 07:33.56 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: are those all the options? |
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| 07:34.58 | Yssaril | Ellipsis: i think so they got oll thier bases coverd (physical dps, spell dps, tanking, healing) |
| 07:35.27 | Ellipsis | but the caster dps one sucks |
| 07:35.31 | Ellipsis | :( |
| 07:35.53 | durcyn | 2.4 caster itemization is one big slap in the face with a wet fish |
| 07:36.09 | vhaarr | where "caster" = mage? |
| 07:36.12 | Ellipsis | much rather keep my +24 spell damage to rings than gain 54 spell hit when I'm capped |
| 07:36.18 | vhaarr | because locks and priests got tons of love |
| 07:36.42 | durcyn | suppose that's a matter of perspective, vharr |
| 07:36.42 | Ellipsis | love in terms of gear... |
| 07:37.05 | Kurax | No one in blizz plays mage so |
| 07:37.08 | durcyn | the sunwell raid gear proves the itemization team drools on themselves though, first no hit then no stamina |
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| 07:37.19 | durcyn | yeah? the warlock CM is a freaking warrior. |
| 07:37.39 | neenee | Hm. New items should be upgrades to the best items in the game already, no overlapping or alternatives? |
| 07:38.10 | Yssaril | those are definatly better than the current alchy stone |
| 07:38.22 | Diao | if you're capped |
| 07:38.26 | Diao | get the alch stone |
| 07:38.31 | Diao | and swap out some hit gear for other stats in other slots |
| 07:38.35 | Diao | 54 hit is a ton |
| 07:38.50 | Diao | saves you a lot of slots |
| 07:39.19 | Ellipsis | so um, why are the numbers on life tap so messed up now? |
| 07:39.32 | Yssaril | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/lifetapranks.jpg <-- is that right cause i ahve heard conflicting info that the tooltips are wrong again |
| 07:39.52 | Arrowmaster | tooltips are wrong for lifetap |
| 07:39.55 | Ellipsis | I know |
| 07:40.00 | durcyn | Yssaril: that's what it was intended to be, but right now on PTR every rank gives 20% mana |
| 07:40.04 | Ellipsis | it says 5% health for 5% mana and it's taking slightly less than 5% health |
| 07:40.10 | Ellipsis | but still....WTF? 5%? |
| 07:40.12 | Arrowmaster | its currently 15% mana for all 3 ranks on ptr |
| 07:40.17 | Ellipsis | um, no |
| 07:40.19 | Ellipsis | not on my PTR |
| 07:40.36 | Arrowmaster | well it was earlyer |
| 07:40.53 | Ellipsis | yes, but then PTR went back down, a new patch came out, and now it's tooltipping 5% for 5% |
| 07:40.56 | Arrowmaster | not the tooltips but the actual mana gained |
| 07:40.58 | Ellipsis | and actually quite close to that in practice |
| 07:41.19 | Arrowmaster | rank 1 is giving 5% mana? |
| 07:41.26 | Ellipsis | there's only one rank in my spellbook |
| 07:41.37 | Arrowmaster | is it giving 5%? |
| 07:41.44 | Ellipsis | it's rank 1, and it's giving exactly 5% mana * 1.2 (I have imp LT) |
| 07:42.06 | Arrowmaster | might want to check the warlock trainer then |
| 07:42.07 | Ellipsis | so you know, I'm getting less than 500 mana back per tap |
| 07:42.13 | Ellipsis | but that takes effort |
| 07:42.48 | Ellipsis | plus, I don't know why its health cost is less than advertised |
| 07:42.55 | Ellipsis | unless it's some kind of stealth buff |
| 07:43.01 | Yssaril | why? |
| 07:43.06 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63127 10oRA2/ (Core.lua LoadOnDemand.lua): oRA2: Add back the oRA_PlayerPromoted event + fake trigger. |
| 07:43.37 | Arrowmaster | how much hp do you have and whats it costing? |
| 07:44.17 | magma | I have a million hp, for free, on the ptr |
| 07:44.34 | Diao | hmm |
| 07:44.40 | Diao | 2 best profs now are ench+alch? |
| 07:44.44 | Diao | with that new alch stone |
| 07:44.47 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: 9070, and 437 |
| 07:44.56 | Ellipsis | also, there are no other ranks at the trainer |
| 07:45.53 | Ellipsis | 5% for 5% is laaaaaaame |
| 07:46.18 | Diao | it's broken, supposed to be 5/5, 12/12, 20/20 according to Gagorian? |
| 07:47.15 | durcyn | oh well, time to start spamming rejuv potions |
| 07:47.31 | Ellipsis | Diao: according to trade chat, I'm not the only one who's stuck with rank 1 |
| 07:47.53 | Diao | ah |
| 07:48.33 | Ellipsis | (so you can all stop thinking "PEBKAC" now...don't lie, I know you were...) |
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| 07:51.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm always thinking pebkac |
| 07:54.26 | Ellipsis | ....kind of amusing to see a bunch of warlocks standing around at low health |
| 07:54.29 | Ellipsis | you just know what they're thinking |
| 07:54.52 | Orionshock | one aoe and we're all dead? |
| 07:55.41 | Ellipsis | ...given that aoes are rare on the IF bridge, save for kazzak's visits... |
| 07:56.02 | Ellipsis | I was going to go with more "WTF blizz, where's my mana" |
| 07:56.04 | Orionshock | ya, too bad ya can't do that anymore |
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| 08:10.59 | neenee_ | morning |
| 08:10.59 | Aphexdash | Hey all, just wanted to ask a quesiton |
| 08:11.29 | Aphexdash | I'm trying to Make a simple Ace2 addon that tells you in chat how many Combo Points (Rogue/Druid) you have |
| 08:11.40 | Aphexdash | But i can't get it to work, it loads but does nothing |
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| 08:12.29 | Elsia | can you pastey the code? http://ace.pastey.net |
| 08:14.19 | Aphexdash | http://ace.pastey.net/83076 |
| 08:14.31 | Aphexdash | Sorry i'm really new to Lua/Wow coding |
| 08:15.10 | Aphexdash | in the example i list just when its 3 combo points but, i think i can understand for more |
| 08:15.53 | Snago | Aphexdash: on line 8, lowercase t in then |
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| 08:16.05 | Aphexdash | oh thx |
| 08:17.05 | Aphexdash | Basically at the end of it i just want to play a sound when you get a certain no of CP's. but if i can get it to display text, i'll be happy |
| 08:18.34 | Elsia | try with the fixed case, that should have thrown you an error, you using bugsack or something to capture mistakes? |
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| 08:19.06 | Aphexdash | bugsack? is that an addon? |
| 08:19.13 | nevcairiel | Aphexdash: use another even, PLAYER_COMBO_POINTS |
| 08:19.14 | Orionshock | i found the error! |
| 08:19.16 | Orionshock | :D |
| 08:19.27 | nevcairiel | *event |
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| 08:20.40 | Aphexdash | Whay error, Orion? |
| 08:21.30 | Orionshock | addonParent:GetShareTable() was returning nil, and was causing a synch issue in my mod i have |
| 08:21.50 | Aphexdash | nev, ok i'll try that and with the lowercase t |
| 08:25.39 | Snago | I'll never get used to AceEvent3 passing the event name first -.- |
| 08:25.51 | Snago | Checking PlayerName("UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED") ftl |
| 08:26.03 | Snago | s/Player/Unit/ |
| 08:27.10 | nevcairiel | Snago: just because Ace2 decided to re-invent the API .. we just copied what blizzard does, and they pass the event name ;) |
| 08:27.53 | Snago | Yeah, I'm damaged from Ace2 :P |
| 08:32.21 | Snago | What units does UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED fire for? |
| 08:32.44 | Kurax | player |
| 08:32.53 | Snago | only player? |
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| 08:33.12 | nevcairiel | i think succeeded fires for any unit |
| 08:33.18 | nevcairiel | _SEND fires only for player |
| 08:33.39 | Ellipsis | START and STOP include party/raid, dunno about SUCCEEDED |
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| 08:35.44 | Snago | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Spell mentions "including party/raid" on a lot of events but not on SUCCEEDED |
| 08:36.20 | Aphexdash | Hey all, got my combo point Informer working, but, it keeps repeating the current number over and over again. Is there a way to stop it from doing that? Like storing a variable saying how many last time if it checks, and its the same then it doesn't say it again until the variable is different? ( http://ace.pastey.net/83078 ) |
| 08:37.14 | nevcairiel | switch to PLAYER_COMBO_POINTS |
| 08:37.19 | nevcairiel | it only fires when your points change |
| 08:37.22 | Snago | Aphexdash: COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE fires for alot more than combo points, and each time it does your addon will print how many cp you got |
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| 08:38.22 | Aphexdash | Oh thanks :) |
| 08:40.08 | Snago | Aphexdash: Also, try this: self:Print("you have "..GetComboPoints().." combo points") :) |
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| 08:42.42 | Aphexdash | Hey thanks all that works perfectly! |
| 08:43.03 | Aphexdash | Snag, oh so thats how you call a variable in a print? |
| 08:43.48 | Aphexdash | Gonna go try and get it to play a diff wav for each combo point now :S I'll 99.9% have questions |
| 08:44.50 | Aphexdash | And PLAYER_COMBO_POINTS is instant, where as using COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE was about a 1 sec lag |
| 08:44.56 | durcyn | pretty sure that addon's already been written |
| 08:45.57 | Aphexdash | Yeah but it doesn't work correctly |
| 08:45.57 | Ellipsis | oh mah gawd PTR needs a giant dose of "l2spell" |
| 08:46.19 | Aphexdash | heh |
| 08:47.24 | Aphexdash | "CombatSounds" apparently it was once a part of ACE |
| 08:47.28 | Aphexdash | ace/ace2 |
| 08:47.43 | durcyn | there's no such thing as "part of ace" |
| 08:47.50 | durcyn | it's just a framework, nothing more, nothing less |
| 08:48.14 | Nandini | is there any advantage in Lua (performance/memory usage) of using indexes in a table rather than keys when you have complete control over its structure |
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| 08:49.08 | Aphexdash | In Lua, is ## the line commenter ? |
| 08:49.13 | nevcairiel | no |
| 08:49.14 | nevcairiel | -- |
| 08:49.19 | Nandini | two dashes |
| 08:49.19 | nevcairiel | -- this is a comment |
| 08:49.26 | Aphexdash | oic, Thanks |
| 08:49.43 | Nandini | --[[ this is the start of a multiline comment |
| 08:49.53 | Aphexdash | Ah like /* |
| 08:50.43 | Aphexdash | so ]]-- ends it? |
| 08:50.54 | Ellipsis | just ]] |
| 08:50.55 | [Ammo] | ]] |
| 08:51.04 | Aphexdash | oh ok thanks |
| 08:51.05 | [Ammo] | but you can use ]]-- for pretty :) |
| 08:51.10 | Aphexdash | hehe |
| 08:51.19 | Nandini | if i have a table with 5000 entries, will Lua be able to seek them more quickly if i use an index rather than keys on the entries? |
| 08:51.44 | Nandini | or is an index really just a numerical key |
| 08:51.46 | Ellipsis | you can always try it and find out |
| 08:51.48 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 08:52.01 | Ellipsis | iirc all tables are hash tables anyway |
| 08:52.09 | Ellipsis | so seek time should always be O(1) |
| 08:52.14 | Ellipsis | but I don't know lua so |
| 08:52.34 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63128 10Violation/: Violation: branching for 2.4 |
| 08:53.02 | Elsia | yay more damage meters for 2.4 :D |
| 08:53.06 | Nandini | well since indexed entries and keyed entries can both exist in the same level, perhaps they are both hashed |
| 08:53.14 | Aphexdash | Is there any difference between using mp3's or WAVE's apart from the loss in quality? |
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| 08:53.27 | nevcairiel | file size :) |
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| 08:53.31 | Aphexdash | lol |
| 08:53.32 | Nandini | well, the obvious difference is mp3 is compressed and wav isn't |
| 08:53.55 | Aphexdash | yeah was just checking cause sometimes theres issues with codecs and memory |
| 08:54.22 | Nandini | both end up as pcm eventually when the game engine renders them |
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| 08:55.19 | Aphexdash | ok kewl thanks |
| 08:55.29 | Nandini | in general, wow uses mp3 for sound effects and music, and wav for speech (like audible boss emotes), as far as i know |
| 08:55.39 | Nandini | but you can use either for your addon, it doesn't care |
| 08:56.20 | durcyn | mp3 is fine, it's not like a little combo point ding notification sound is going to have anything in the dropped range anyway |
| 08:56.41 | Nandini | if it's a ding, you would be losing all that beautiful high end resonance :P |
| 08:57.16 | durcyn | could always comvert to wav though if you find that the bass lacks fidelity. yes that's sarcasm. |
| 08:57.35 | vithos | use 320kbps if it's a ding, that will turn off the lowpass at 18khz |
| 08:58.03 | vithos | or just look up the encoding flag to disable it |
| 09:00.40 | Nandini | if he's generating combo points, i'm sure there is plenty of other sound going on to cover up any loss of fidelity :) |
| 09:01.23 | Nandini | next time you're afk, i'm going to secretly sneak into your computer and replace your ding sound with the owl screech sound :P |
| 09:01.26 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63129 10Violation/ (13 files in 5 dirs): |
| 09:01.26 | CIA-9 | Violation: prep |
| 09:01.26 | CIA-9 | - Strip spying |
| 09:01.26 | CIA-9 | - Strip all but damage and healing |
| 09:01.27 | CIA-9 | - Clean up libs |
| 09:01.31 | Aphexdash | lol |
| 09:01.47 | Aphexdash | Sorry was reading up on a GPL'd audio editor |
| 09:02.22 | Aphexdash | :S |
| 09:03.31 | durcyn | eh, Audacity should be sufficient. |
| 09:04.30 | Aphexdash | Yeah using it now, great program |
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| 09:05.33 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63130 10Violation/ (12 files in 5 dirs): Violation: more plumbing and restructuring |
| 09:06.41 | Aphexdash | I have to say, out of any help channel, you have been the most helpful and without the belittling/abuse as well! |
| 09:07.15 | durcyn | oh, i imagine someone will be along shortly to rectify that |
| 09:07.35 | Aphexdash | lol |
| 09:08.33 | Nandini | hmm i am just gonna have to make 2 tables with 5000 entries and randomly retrieve 5000 key/value pairs to see if there's any difference |
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| 09:12.17 | Ellipsis | now..which lib is it that has the zone sizes in yards so that you can calculate distances between coordinate locations? |
| 09:12.51 | thul | Ellipsis: the one with waypoints etc? |
| 09:13.55 | Xinhuan | LibTourist |
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| 09:18.39 | Aphexdash | Yay it works, but one thing is that it plays the 5 combo points over and over when you have 5 and use a combo point generating attack. http://ace.pastey.net/83080 |
| 09:21.23 | Aphexdash | Maybe a global flag that say stores a Boolean, that say true until combo points are < 5? |
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| 09:23.19 | Elsia | aphex: just store the last number of combo points you had, if it was 5 before don't play the 5 sound again, you could even a "combo point wasted" sound in that case. |
| 09:23.42 | Elsia | s/even/even play/ |
| 09:23.49 | aestil | i hate life! |
| 09:23.56 | Elsia | ~comfort aestil |
| 09:23.56 | purl | There, there, aestil. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:24.10 | aestil | ~lies, purl |
| 09:24.14 | aestil | LIEZ |
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| 09:27.54 | Aphexdash | Oic |
| 09:27.58 | Aphexdash | thanks heaps :) |
| 09:28.10 | Aphexdash | love you peeps :) |
| 09:30.01 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63131 10Ace3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:30.01 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0 |
| 09:30.01 | CIA-9 | - initial commit |
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| 09:31.58 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63132 10Violation/ (Collect/Damage.lua modules.xml): Violation: work on damage done |
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| 09:33.45 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDB-3.0 |
| 09:33.45 | CIA-9 | - add "silent" option to DeleteProfile because module profiles do not always have to contain the parents profiles |
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| 09:37.18 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDB-3.0 |
| 09:37.18 | CIA-9 | - add two more sanity checks when dealing with profiles |
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| 09:42.11 | Elsia | for ace3 libs is it generally recommended to include the lib's xml in ones embeds.xml? |
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| 09:45.37 | nevcairiel | Elsia: yes |
| 09:45.44 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63135 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: |
| 09:45.44 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0 |
| 09:45.44 | CIA-9 | - handle upgrading |
| 09:46.27 | Elsia | coolio |
| 09:47.55 | CIA-9 | 037destiny * r63136 10SCT_Cooldowns/Locale-koKR.lua: SCT_Cooldowns: - koKR fixed |
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| 09:54.47 | Nandini | grr when i click to move now, my camera isn't following |
| 09:55.43 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63137 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: |
| 09:55.43 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0 |
| 09:55.43 | CIA-9 | - comments and cleanup |
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| 09:59.02 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63138 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/ (AceDBOptions-3.0.lua AceDBOptions-3.0.xml): |
| 09:59.02 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0 |
| 09:59.03 | CIA-9 | - svn keywords |
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| 10:09.08 | Aphexdash | So Ace3 is still in Dev? and Ace2 is the norm atm? |
| 10:10.54 | Gngsk | ace3 is in beta right? |
| 10:11.26 | nevcairiel | ace3 is released beta |
| 10:11.35 | Aphexdash | oic |
| 10:11.36 | Gngsk | ace2 is still beta, right? |
| 10:11.55 | Shirik | gamma, RC, pre-release, whatever you want to call it |
| 10:11.56 | Shirik | not beta |
| 10:12.12 | nevcairiel | ace2 is something weird |
| 10:12.15 | Gngsk | heh |
| 10:12.23 | Shirik | it "exists" |
| 10:12.39 | Shirik | imho nothing should ever be called "stable" |
| 10:12.47 | Shirik | yet I follow the standard and call my applications "stable" too |
| 10:12.53 | Shirik | even though I know they're not |
| 10:12.58 | nevcairiel | why does SPELL_AURA_REMOVED_DOSE fire when i gain lifebloom <.< |
| 10:13.13 | Shirik | well it knows you're going to lose it |
| 10:13.15 | Aphexdash | except windows' BSOD, now thats rock solid |
| 10:13.22 | Shirik | so what it's doing saving CPU time |
| 10:13.24 | Shirik | by spreading the load |
| 10:13.39 | Shirik | instead of having a ton of events fire at the end, it preemptively fires SPELL_AURA_REMOVED_DOSE to save cpu time |
| 10:13.58 | durcyn | the new predictive event system, exactly |
| 10:14.33 | nevcairiel | any buff will fade eventually, why even notify about the gain then |
| 10:14.34 | Shirik | anyway, night |
| 10:14.35 | nevcairiel | why even buffs |
| 10:14.41 | Shirik|zZz | exactly! |
| 10:14.45 | Shirik|zZz | they're working on that optimization |
| 10:14.48 | Aphexdash | hmm, anywhere i can learn a bit more lua coding? |
| 10:14.55 | durcyn | ~pil |
| 10:14.56 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 10:14.57 | Shirik|zZz | soon any event that has a counter-event will be optimized out |
| 10:15.10 | Shirik|zZz | but it takes time because re-engineering is difficult |
| 10:15.14 | nevcairiel | do dmg and heal counter out? |
| 10:15.14 | Aphexdash | Thanks :) |
| 10:15.24 | Shirik|zZz | only if you're not going to die |
| 10:15.28 | Shirik|zZz | see that's one of the coolest parts |
| 10:15.34 | Shirik|zZz | the game figures out ahead of time if you're going to wipe |
| 10:15.40 | Elsia | nev: lifebloom and earthshield combat log events are still buggy, reported it to alexanderyoshi already |
| 10:15.45 | Shirik|zZz | if you're getting damage events, you'll know you're going to wipe and might as well give up |
| 10:15.50 | Shirik|zZz | if you don't get any, then you know you're going to succeed |
| 10:15.55 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 10:16.11 | nevcairiel | cant it just hand out loot on the instance portal depending on that outcome? |
| 10:16.23 | Shirik|zZz | that's wotlk |
| 10:16.46 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 10:16.54 | durcyn | bloody casuals. |
| 10:17.10 | Shirik|zZz | anyway |
| 10:17.12 | Shirik|zZz | night! |
| 10:17.14 | nevcairiel | night |
| 10:17.20 | Shirik|zZz | I obviously have reached my limit if I'm tlaking like this >< |
| 10:17.34 | nevcairiel | "Lifebloom reduces You 1." still looks wrong <.< |
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| 10:25.11 | CIA-9 | 037destiny * r63139 10oRA2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): oRA2: - koKR Update |
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| 10:26.03 | Aike | hi |
| 10:26.45 | nevcairiel | hi |
| 10:26.55 | Thorgard_ | hi |
| 10:27.05 | haste | hi |
| 10:27.07 | Elsia | hi |
| 10:27.19 | Aike | Is someone here who has the time to give me a short introduction in programming with lua? ;-) I've already done some tutorial and now I've got some questions :-/ |
| 10:27.21 | Thorgard_ | wtf, I'm here twice? |
| 10:27.26 | CIA-9 | 03wang * r63140 10LibBabble-Spell-3.0/zhCN.lua: |
| 10:27.26 | CIA-9 | LibBabble-Spell-3.0 |
| 10:27.26 | CIA-9 | - update some zhCN spell |
| 10:27.30 | haste | ~asktoask |
| 10:27.31 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
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| 10:27.58 | Aike | Ah, I know, but I got a lot and maybe someone would have a private chat with me 8-) |
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| 10:28.40 | Aike | nice makro btw. ;-p |
| 10:29.18 | Thorgard_ | Dunno if anyone's up for being your personal tutor.. but you can probably piece stuff together from replies you get in the channel. ;P |
| 10:29.22 | Aike | ok, well, then ... I want to register chat commands, but they don't work. I did some c&p with that ... |
| 10:30.39 | Aike | I found it like this (AutoRez is my addon): AutoRez:RegisterChatCommand({"/ar"}, AutoRez.WhisperTM) |
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| 10:32.07 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63141 10Violation/ (Collect/Damage.lua Violation.lua): Violation: no errors, no worky either :) |
| 10:32.38 | Aike | :-( |
| 10:33.19 | Elsia | aike: can you pastey your code? http://ace.pastey.net |
| 10:33.27 | Aike | ok |
| 10:34.12 | Aike | http://ace.pastey.net/83082-2uz9 |
| 10:34.25 | Elsia | does Recount.db2 = acedb:New("RecountPerCharDB", DefaultConfig) not create Recount.db2.char if DefaultConfig contains it? |
| 10:35.20 | nevcairiel | .char is always created |
| 10:35.21 | MrUseful | Invalid Realmname, please check |
| 10:35.27 | Aike | Do you really ask *me* that? o.O |
| 10:35.38 | Elsia | aike: sorry trying to multi-task here ;) |
| 10:35.43 | Aike | ah, ok 8-) |
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| 10:38.31 | Aike | how do I exclude some code or "comment it out"? |
| 10:39.10 | Elsia | -- for single line --[[ ]] for block |
| 10:39.12 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.14 | Aike | ah, k |
| 10:39.36 | Elsia | it's a shame that the AceConsole-2.0 wiki is broken, else that'd be the right pointer for you |
| 10:40.02 | Aphexdash | Kinda Stumped again, my variable to stop the 5th combo point has made broken the addon :/ |
| 10:40.03 | Aphexdash | http://ace.pastey.net/83083 |
| 10:40.14 | Aphexdash | -made |
| 10:40.37 | Elsia | If Max_Combo_Points == false -> if Max_Combo_Points == false then |
| 10:41.42 | Funkeh` | why would it be false not nil |
| 10:42.01 | Orionshock | no combo points? |
| 10:42.18 | Funkeh` | uhu in which case it would be nil? |
| 10:42.27 | Elsia | it's set in OnEnable to false |
| 10:42.48 | Elsia | that code works I think, one could do the same with nil/true, but anywho |
| 10:43.03 | Aike | Well, fine :-) Now I need to know how I can insert some slash commands und link them to functions :-/ |
| 10:43.15 | Funkeh` | if not max_combo_points then imo |
| 10:43.40 | Elsia | matter of style but yeah |
| 10:44.16 | Elsia | pretty sure it compiles to the same thing so it's a matter of what one finds more readable |
| 10:45.16 | nevcairiel | checking for == false is probably not the same as doing "not var" |
| 10:45.19 | nevcairiel | in op code |
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| 10:46.15 | Aphexdash | hmm |
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| 10:49.47 | Elsia | hmm still not understanding how acedb works, any clues: http://ace.pastey.net/83084 |
| 10:51.27 | nevcairiel | Elsia: i hope in your actual file you define DefaultConfig before the acedb call :P |
| 10:51.58 | Elsia | thanks ;) |
| 10:52.13 | Aphexdash | Used the fix's but it still won't print/play combo points ->http://ace.pastey.net/83085 |
| 10:52.49 | Aphexdash | LOL i'm and idiot |
| 10:52.53 | CIA-9 | 037destiny * r63142 10Incubator/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 10:52.53 | CIA-9 | Incubator: |
| 10:52.53 | CIA-9 | - koKR Update |
| 10:53.04 | Aphexdash | "Line 11 - Current_Combo_Points == GetComboPoints() " |
| 10:53.05 | Aphexdash | LOL |
| 10:53.21 | nevcairiel | oh heh |
| 10:53.24 | Aphexdash | should be "Current_Combo_Points = GetComboPoints() " ? |
| 10:53.31 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 10:53.36 | Aphexdash | cheers :) |
| 10:54.57 | Orionshock | Current_Combo_Points == GetComboPoints() is a logic check... |
| 10:55.37 | theoddone33 | is there a way to sit through /script? |
| 10:55.39 | nevcairiel | he noticed that :p |
| 10:55.44 | theoddone33 | ugh wait |
| 10:55.46 | theoddone33 | I don't need one |
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| 10:56.47 | Aphexdash | yeah orion, i swear i skimmed over it about 50 times |
| 10:56.56 | Aphexdash | trying to figure out what was wrong lol |
| 10:58.45 | Elsia | does AceTimer-3.0 have ScheduleRepeatingTimer args switch, i.e. method, delay, args instead of ace2's method, args, delayß |
| 10:59.00 | Elsia | s/ß/?/ |
| 10:59.14 | [Ammo] | ace2 = method, delay, arg |
| 10:59.18 | [Ammo] | so I dunno what you're talkinga bout |
| 10:59.19 | Elsia | hmm |
| 10:59.44 | nevcairiel | ScheduleRepeatingTimer(callback, delay, arg) |
| 10:59.46 | nevcairiel | ace3 too |
| 10:59.57 | Elsia | alright, must be another cause for the error then |
| 11:02.12 | Aphexdash | Is there an event for critical strikes? or do i have to use COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE ? |
| 11:03.09 | Orionshock | ya no more global _ |
| 11:03.11 | nevcairiel | i recommend you wait for 2.4 for combatlog detection... :) |
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| 11:04.30 | Aphexdash | And if if the player kills someone, then COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE too? |
| 11:04.51 | Aike | I get a strange error and don't know what's about it: 'Cannot call "RegisterDB" if self.db is set.' |
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| 11:05.25 | Elsia | how do I do IsEventRegistered() in aceevent-3.0? track myself what I registered to? |
| 11:06.00 | [Ammo] | what do you need it for |
| 11:06.31 | Elsia | check to register only if not already registered for it |
| 11:06.46 | nevcairiel | just register twice |
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| 11:07.16 | [Ammo] | it should be silent instead of barfing like ace2 did |
| 11:07.54 | Elsia | alright thanks |
| 11:08.00 | durcyn | hmm, what's the preferred way of making strmatch strict? |
| 11:08.16 | theoddone33 | [SUGGESTION] Primal Air Powered Scuba Gear |
| 11:08.21 | theoddone33 | wow. |
| 11:08.24 | Thorgard_ | ... |
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| 11:10.50 | [Ammo] | Elsia: if you're going to do that register a lot you might want to cconsider tracking yourself |
| 11:10.56 | [Ammo] | if you register each time it'll create a new func each time |
| 11:12.16 | Elsia | ammo: I'll try to prevent double registration actually, just need one |
| 11:12.29 | [Ammo] | that is always best |
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| 11:13.56 | Aike | when do I have to use MyAddon.blabla and when can I use self.blabla? :-) |
| 11:14.23 | sylvanaar_work | ~pil |
| 11:14.24 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 11:14.34 | Aike | ... |
| 11:14.41 | [SW]Dodge | self.bla if you are in a function like Myaddon:asd() and if not then myaddon.bla |
| 11:14.42 | Aike | Thank you. |
| 11:14.49 | Aike | ah, ok |
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| 11:16.43 | Elsia | hmm the combat log event arguments must have changed... getting an offset by one (looks for slouken post) |
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| 11:18.41 | sylvanaar_work | lol, i'm waiting for things to stabilize a bit on the ptr, they are changing *alot* of stuff with every ptr patch |
| 11:19.02 | Elsia | actually it's probably just aceevent-3.0 passing the event as first arg, that right? |
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| 11:19.15 | sb | meeh |
| 11:19.20 | sb | looks like i have to learn alchemy :/ |
| 11:19.21 | nevcairiel | Elsia: thats right |
| 11:19.27 | Elsia | cool, easy to fix :D |
| 11:19.27 | nevcairiel | alchemists stones ftw |
| 11:19.34 | sb | new trinket + tyrande = perfect (priest) |
| 11:19.47 | nevcairiel | i wish stupid illidan drops memento this week |
| 11:19.49 | nevcairiel | i neeeed it |
| 11:19.49 | nevcairiel | :( |
| 11:19.54 | sb | same here :p |
| 11:20.00 | nevcairiel | its mine when it drops |
| 11:20.03 | nevcairiel | never dropped :( |
| 11:20.07 | sb | need mace, chest, memento *sigh* |
| 11:20.24 | sb | but those alchemy stuff is pretty nice :/ |
| 11:20.37 | nevcairiel | i am alchemist already |
| 11:20.38 | nevcairiel | so its fine |
| 11:20.49 | sb | hmyup |
| 11:20.57 | nevcairiel | i just need to get those 2 vortexes, but i can buy them from the heroic vendor |
| 11:21.10 | nevcairiel | or maybe the guildbank still has some somwhere .. now that they're no longer bop |
| 11:21.17 | sb | i can drop mining |
| 11:23.18 | sb | and i need herbalism on another char |
| 11:28.32 | theoddone33 | jame's horde leveling guide doesn't take you to western plaguelands until level 58 |
| 11:28.36 | theoddone33 | which is ridiculous |
| 11:28.53 | theoddone33 | then there's this big stern warning about how everyone who tells you to go to outlands at level 58 is wrong |
| 11:29.36 | clad|office | killing boars at level 58 in outland is more effective than doing anything in azeroth |
| 11:30.07 | theoddone33 | yeah |
| 11:30.23 | theoddone33 | 58 and 59 are the easiest two levels in the game past level 20ish |
| 11:30.54 | theoddone33 | if your concern is "having a 70" and not "having a rich 70" it's ridiculous not to go to outlands at 58 |
| 11:31.07 | clad|office | well |
| 11:31.10 | clad|office | i wouldn't quest in outlands at 58 |
| 11:31.14 | clad|office | so there's no loss in money |
| 11:31.16 | nevcairiel | just grind 58-60 in outlands |
| 11:31.18 | clad|office | purely the cloth and green drops from teh orcs there |
| 11:31.20 | nevcairiel | its so fast |
| 11:31.21 | clad|office | from 58-60 |
| 11:31.25 | clad|office | this is what i did on my hunter |
| 11:31.26 | clad|office | more xp |
| 11:31.29 | clad|office | better drops |
| 11:31.51 | theoddone33 | sounds boring |
| 11:32.05 | theoddone33 | maybe worth a try though |
| 11:32.08 | theoddone33 | I'm 54 at the moment |
| 11:32.09 | nevcairiel | leveling in WPL is boring too =P |
| 11:32.34 | theoddone33 | what?! you get to kill 4 completely different kinds of undead! |
| 11:33.02 | theoddone33 | WPL is very nice |
| 11:33.05 | [dRaCo] | even if you quest there, who cares? there are enough quests you can do when you're 70 |
| 11:33.26 | clad|office | [dRaCo]: Its hard to quest solo honestly |
| 11:33.29 | theoddone33 | I'm not concerned about losing gold from a couple quests |
| 11:33.32 | clad|office | you can doa small round of quests |
| 11:33.39 | theoddone33 | hmm |
| 11:33.40 | clad|office | its not about the money, its about what you can and can't do :P |
| 11:33.42 | theoddone33 | I've done it twice |
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| 11:33.47 | theoddone33 | at 58 |
| 11:33.52 | theoddone33 | without much trouble |
| 11:33.58 | clad|office | It can be done |
| 11:34.01 | clad|office | but its much easier at 60 :P |
| 11:34.24 | theoddone33 | I really didn't have any trouble with paladin or mage |
| 11:34.27 | theoddone33 | at least not that I remember |
| 11:34.42 | nevcairiel | my warlock didnt have any issues either |
| 11:34.44 | Elsia | ScheduleTimer now returns an id one uses to cancel? |
| 11:34.46 | nevcairiel | but yeah i know .. warlock :P |
| 11:34.53 | nevcairiel | Elsia: yes |
| 11:34.56 | Elsia | thanks |
| 11:35.03 | theoddone33 | leveling a warrior now, perhaps they'd run into trouble |
| 11:35.10 | Aike | wtf? My addon doesn't save my properties :-/ |
| 11:37.04 | Aike | man, I'm getting annoyed by that lua stuff :-( |
| 11:38.39 | Aike | Ace2 is really great, I have to say, but still ... coding for WoW is really difficult for beginners :-/ |
| 11:39.35 | Quezacolt | Aike: Do you have a ## SavedVariables tag in your TOC specifying what variable you store your settings in? |
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| 11:40.30 | Aike | s.th. like that? ## SavedVariables: AutoRezDB |
| 11:40.59 | Aike | Yes, I do |
| 11:41.33 | Grum | <nevcairiel> its mine when it drops <-- that trinket is the only thing that can replace the alchemyst stone |
| 11:42.00 | nevcairiel | having both = ftw |
| 11:42.01 | Quezacolt | Are you sure you're only accessing it after VARIABLES_LOADED has fired? |
| 11:42.25 | Aike | sec, I'll paste in in that bin ;-) |
| 11:43.26 | Aike | http://ace.pastey.net/83087-j12n |
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| 11:43.40 | Elsia | lua> string.format("%0x",8728) |
| 11:43.41 | lua_bot | Elsia: 2218 |
| 11:44.01 | Elsia | greater elementals are still falsely flagged on the ptr |
| 11:44.39 | Grum | Aike: is it me or are you missing the assignment of the registered database to AutoRez.db ? |
| 11:44.42 | Aike | I'm not sure about that ADDON_LOADED variable |
| 11:45.00 | Quezacolt | Aike: I think you made the same mistake I did when I first jumped into Ace2 :) |
| 11:45.02 | Aike | erm, dunne |
| 11:45.05 | Grum | (or is that ace magic that it autohappens?) |
| 11:45.14 | Aike | dunno |
| 11:45.26 | Aike | I just did what was written in the tut |
| 11:45.31 | Grum | url? |
| 11:45.37 | Aike | It's german |
| 11:45.56 | Aike | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=98890018&sid=3 |
| 11:46.03 | sylvanaar_work | grr vmware is not releasing shared memory handles opened by the guest OS - rebooting ftl |
| 11:46.42 | Quezacolt | Don't you have to use "profile" to use :SetProfile() ? |
| 11:46.54 | Quezacolt | i.e. AutoRez.db.profile.mytext |
| 11:47.19 | Aike | I'll check that |
| 11:47.41 | Grum | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace2_Addon <-- english version |
| 11:47.52 | Grum | Aike: tbh i have no idea :( |
| 11:48.17 | Aike | Changed nothing |
| 11:48.42 | Grum | oh |
| 11:49.02 | Grum | AutoRez:RegisterDB("AutoRezDB", "AutoRezDBPC") <-- did you mention AutoRezDBPC in your TOC? |
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| 11:49.28 | Aike | ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: AutoRezDBPC |
| 11:49.40 | Grum | k, i have no idea then :D |
| 11:49.52 | Aike | I read the "first step" thing :-/ |
| 11:51.55 | Aike | That's fucked up. I'll have to ask in the forum :-/ |
| 11:53.49 | Grum | aiki: if you dump AutoRez.db.char, does it actually have anything in it? |
| 11:53.56 | Aike | lol, I don't even know where to place my question in the forum |
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| 11:54.09 | Grum | you have AceConsole loaded so you can just do /dump AutoRez.db.char ingame |
| 11:54.24 | Aike | No, there is no file with saved vars |
| 11:55.10 | Aike | No, nothing in it |
| 11:55.28 | Grum | but ingame |
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| 11:55.44 | Grum | if you put something in AutoRez.db.char - does it actuall get filled? |
| 11:56.56 | Aike | *test* |
| 11:57.14 | Aike | no |
| 11:57.55 | [SW]Dodge | try /rl or /run ReloadUI() |
| 11:58.11 | [SW]Dodge | the file is not created or saved before a reload or relog |
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| 11:59.38 | Arrowmaster | Aike: instead of calling SetProfile on ADDON_LOADED, use AutoRez:RegisterDB("AutoRezDB", "AutoRezDBPC", "Momro") |
| 11:59.38 | Aike | I did so many "/rl"s *g* |
| 12:00.23 | Aike | ok *test* |
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| 12:01.40 | Aike | HA HA HA! Works 8-) |
| 12:01.53 | Snago | Aike: ADDON_LOADED fires for all addons loading, not just yours.. You might want to move that code to OnInitialize that will be called once your addons ADDON_LOADED fires |
| 12:02.07 | Arrowmaster | that too |
| 12:02.29 | Aike | Hm, I removed that line |
| 12:03.52 | Aike | but still, there is no file saved |
| 12:04.13 | Aike | makes me ma |
| 12:04.15 | Aike | mad |
| 12:06.45 | Snago | Aike: Have you restarted wow completely since you added those lines in the .toc? |
| 12:06.58 | Snago | ./rl is not enough for toc changes |
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| 12:07.33 | CIA-9 | 03nirek * r63143 10FuBar_TradeCDFu/ (FuBar_TradeCDFu.toc FuBar_TradeCooldownFu.lua): FuBar_TradeCDFu: Add toggle for the instance...stuff |
| 12:07.52 | Aike | I didn't add anything there |
| 12:08.02 | Aike | But I'll have a restart now anyway |
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| 12:08.53 | Snago | If you /dump AutoRezDBPC do you get anything? |
| 12:09.56 | Aike | it's nil |
| 12:10.14 | Snago | move AutoRez:RegisterDB("AutoRezDB", "AutoRezDBPC") to OnInitialize |
| 12:11.07 | Aike | {} |
| 12:11.31 | Snago | does it work now? |
| 12:12.08 | Aike | ah, now there is a file and it even contains some stuff 8-) |
| 12:12.10 | Aike | thanx! |
| 12:12.17 | Snago | :) |
| 12:12.39 | Aike | Would you like to answer my other 2,000 questions? 8-) |
| 12:13.04 | Snago | Shoot, I'll answer if I know the answer |
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| 12:13.42 | Snago | (maybe not all 2000, but at least the first 10 or so) |
| 12:13.51 | Aike | ok, let me think ... |
| 12:14.50 | Aike | I want s.th. like that: If I write "/tt blabla", I want it to be sent to my target as a whisper. How do I track the "/tt"? |
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| 12:15.43 | CIA-9 | 03ascalia * r63144 10BigBrother/BuffWindow.lua: |
| 12:15.43 | CIA-9 | BigBrother: |
| 12:15.43 | CIA-9 | - fixed Flask of Chromatic Wonder icon |
| 12:15.50 | Arrowmaster | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/TellTarget.lua |
| 12:16.26 | CIA-9 | 03orionshock * r63145 10GuildCraft/core.lua: |
| 12:16.26 | CIA-9 | GuildCraft: |
| 12:16.26 | CIA-9 | -pass the share table actually |
| 12:18.02 | Aike | cool, I didn't know it was Prat which did that 8-) |
| 12:19.07 | Aike | what's "%s"? |
| 12:20.19 | Arrowmaster | depends where its used |
| 12:20.24 | Aike | HrHrHr |
| 12:20.35 | Aike | local target = strmatch(msg, "%s*([^%s]+)"); |
| 12:20.45 | Elsia | anyone understand why I get this? http://ace.pastey.net/83089 |
| 12:20.48 | Arrowmaster | %s is a space character |
| 12:20.58 | Elsia | acedb-3.0 question |
| 12:21.00 | Aike | You mean " "? :-) |
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| 12:21.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah but i think it matches some other stuff too like tab and nbsp |
| 12:21.26 | Aike | ah, ok |
| 12:21.40 | [SW]Dodge | Elsia: db.char ? |
| 12:21.44 | [SW]Dodge | db2.char! :P |
| 12:21.57 | [SW]Dodge | or db.profile.char |
| 12:21.59 | Elsia | no I want db.char, db2 is to other defaults |
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| 12:22.21 | [SW]Dodge | or db.profile.char <- try this |
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| 12:22.32 | Arrowmaster | no thats just wrong |
| 12:22.39 | Elsia | any reason why? I thought I'd have a separate profile={ for that |
| 12:22.50 | nevcairiel | Elsia: when do you initialize your DB? |
| 12:23.06 | Elsia | oninit |
| 12:23.13 | Elsia | actually no, it's global |
| 12:23.17 | Elsia | let me move it to oninit |
| 12:23.46 | Snago | Elsia: Was just going to suggest that :) |
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| 12:24.15 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: since acedb3 doesnt use any events other than logout can it actually not be initalized directly after calling :New()? |
| 12:24.27 | Elsia | still nil :( |
| 12:24.53 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: if you init it before ADDON_LOADED, the actual loading of the SV will overwrite some of the metatables |
| 12:25.04 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: so you should always call it in OnInit or later |
| 12:25.11 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah |
| 12:25.50 | Arrowmaster | but if you do the :New() as the first line of the OnInit it should be perfectly accessable on the next line right? |
| 12:26.14 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 12:26.21 | nevcairiel | Elsia: works in my test case i just created |
| 12:26.37 | Snago | In an AceConfig3 table, for a get-value, what's the difference between setting it to a function that returns false and just setting it to false directly? |
| 12:27.05 | Arrowmaster | if its not already there, there should be a comment in the docs saying to call :New() after ADDON_LOADED |
| 12:27.14 | Arrowmaster | since acedb2 you could do it either way i think |
| 12:27.24 | Elsia | nev: let me check for other possible effects |
| 12:27.30 | Wobin_ | Snago: a permanent false? |
| 12:27.46 | nevcairiel | http://ace.pastey.net/83090 |
| 12:27.48 | nevcairiel | thats what i did |
| 12:27.50 | nevcairiel | works fine |
| 12:28.02 | Snago | Wobin_: What do you mean by that? |
| 12:28.14 | Wobin_ | why do you want it only to return false? |
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| 12:28.26 | nevcairiel | Wobin_: there are several uses for that |
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| 12:28.42 | nevcairiel | i use it for a Delete drop down box, it never has a value set, so get is always false |
| 12:28.43 | Snago | I was looking at the code for the new AceDBOptions |
| 12:29.05 | nevcairiel | i wonder if setting get to false works too |
| 12:30.15 | Snago | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Ace3/RC1/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua |
| 12:30.43 | Elsia | here is what I get with an assert included in oninit: http://ace.pastey.net/83091 |
| 12:31.14 | nevcairiel | your assert is wrong =P |
| 12:31.21 | nevcairiel | should be Recount.db |
| 12:31.22 | nevcairiel | not db |
| 12:31.33 | Elsia | ah yes sorry |
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| 12:32.10 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63146 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: |
| 12:32.10 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0 |
| 12:32.10 | CIA-9 | - set some get's to false instead of a func that returns false |
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| 12:33.35 | Elsia | alright, was the oninit I needed, thanks |
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| 12:34.28 | nevcairiel | wonder if there is some command i can check if the addon in question already loaded.. but then, i dont know which addon my DB belongs to |
| 12:34.38 | nevcairiel | guess we need a big fat disclaimer explaining that :P |
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| 12:35.27 | Elsia | just a neat wiki would help, currently I go by reading lua files and the docs included, which aren't that detailed |
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| 12:37.18 | nevcairiel | we all suck at neatifying wiki |
| 12:37.18 | Aike | Hah, I got the same problem :-/ |
| 12:37.30 | Wobin_ | yes |
| 12:37.34 | Wobin_ | wikification is painful |
| 12:37.59 | nevcairiel | anyway, as a base rule, you should not need to do anything before OnInit |
| 12:38.02 | Xinhuan | i decided to take both t6 shoulders and chest tonight, and fuck the t6 gloves that hasn't dropped for 11 weeks in a row ^_^ |
| 12:38.05 | Xinhuan | 4 pc t6 for the win |
| 12:38.23 | nevcairiel | besides simple variable initialzation (like local a = 0; no function calls) |
| 12:38.41 | Aike | gratz 8-) |
| 12:38.42 | Elsia | Erro: CancelAllTimers(): supply a meaningful 'self'. i'm using Timers:CancelAllTimers() where Timers is AceTimer-3.0 |
| 12:39.15 | break19 | you should embed acetimers |
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| 12:39.32 | break19 | otherwise it wont know which timers to cancel.. |
| 12:40.13 | Aike | *Interrupt* I'd like to have a really simple menu on fubar. Does anyone know how to do that? 8-) |
| 12:40.13 | Wobin_ | Xinhuan: They'll drop next time =) |
| 12:40.19 | Xinhuan | screw it :) |
| 12:40.36 | nevcairiel | Elsia: embed it, imho, or call Timers.CancelAllTimers(self) |
| 12:40.49 | break19 | Xinhuan: they'' drop the very first you sit out of the raid. |
| 12:40.54 | break19 | meh |
| 12:41.01 | Thorgard_ | QQ |
| 12:41.03 | Xinhuan | i no longer have the dkp anymore ;p |
| 12:41.04 | Elsia | assert(Timer~=nil) is safe, I can try Timers.CancelAllTimers(self) though |
| 12:41.13 | break19 | Xinhuan: they'll drop the very first time you sit out of the raid. |
| 12:41.17 | Elsia | it's embedded too as far as I can tell |
| 12:41.24 | Xinhuan | took like 3 t6 and skull of guldan in a row |
| 12:41.25 | break19 | thats what it shouldve been. heh |
| 12:41.42 | break19 | Elsia: not if Timers = |
| 12:41.50 | break19 | thats -not- embedded |
| 12:41.59 | Elsia | alright gotcha |
| 12:42.09 | nevcairiel | Elsia: if its embeded you can just call self:CancelAllTimers() |
| 12:42.20 | Aike | Or does anyone know an addon with uses a small fubar-menu where I could learn how to do it? |
| 12:42.44 | nevcairiel | like when you do |local addon = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("MyAddon", "AceTimer-3.0")| .. then AceTimer will be embeded |
| 12:42.53 | nevcairiel | or you just call AceTimer:Embed(MYAddon) |
| 12:42.54 | break19 | BuffBench = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("BuffBench","AceConsole-3.0","AceEvent-3.0") <- these addons are embedded |
| 12:43.08 | break19 | BuffBench.db = LibStub("AceDB-3.0"):New("BuffBenchDB") <- this one is not |
| 12:43.22 | nevcairiel | you cant embed AceDB anyway :) |
| 12:43.28 | Elsia | it's embedded now and that part works, thanks break |
| 12:43.41 | break19 | nevcairiel: yes yes, i know. i was giving her an example :P |
| 12:43.45 | Elsia | well it was embedded but for some reason the old code used a non-embedded call there |
| 12:44.20 | Thorgard_ | This is slightly insane: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Cho%27gall&n=Tombom |
| 12:44.31 | Xinhuan | how so |
| 12:45.00 | nevcairiel | armory is broken anyway |
| 12:45.02 | nevcairiel | so what |
| 12:45.23 | CIA-9 | 03totalpackage * r63147 10Capping/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:45.23 | CIA-9 | Capping: |
| 12:45.23 | CIA-9 | - use SetFormattedText wherever |
| 12:45.23 | CIA-9 | - added health percent to Warsong carriers |
| 12:45.23 | CIA-9 | - removed AddonLoader and load-on-demand support |
| 12:45.24 | CIA-9 | - should behave properly when always showing the battlefield map |
| 12:45.26 | CIA-9 | - narrow option is disabled outside of battlegrounds |
| 12:45.56 | break19 | "The operation timed out when attempting to contact www.wowarmory.com" heh |
| 12:46.22 | Thorgard_ | They're exalted with more or less every faction out there. |
| 12:46.36 | Xinhuan | i bet i have more exalted ;p |
| 12:47.01 | break19 | i bet i have more cereal. |
| 12:47.08 | JoshBorke | i think you're tied |
| 12:47.21 | Xinhuan | i dunno, i think my firefox just hung |
| 12:47.28 | Thorgard_ | Exalted with 39ish factions. ;P |
| 12:48.14 | CIA-9 | 03totalpackage * r63148 10InFlight/ (Defaults.lua InFlight.lua InFlight.toc): |
| 12:48.14 | CIA-9 | InFlight: |
| 12:48.14 | CIA-9 | - use SetFormattedText wherever possible |
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| 12:48.34 | nevcairiel | i'm exalted where it matters, someone who farms pointless factions just for being exalted, should get a job, a girl friend, or a pet of sorts :P |
| 12:48.51 | Xinhuan | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 12:48.51 | purl | whacks nevcairiel with the cluebat |
| 12:48.59 | Xinhuan | /no nevcairiel |
| 12:49.01 | Thorgard_ | Maybe they're doing it to impress a girl? |
| 12:49.07 | nevcairiel | poor girl |
| 12:49.14 | nevcairiel | and poor guy |
| 12:49.17 | Xinhuan | i'm 16 turnins away from dire maul exalted |
| 12:49.19 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 12:49.28 | nevcairiel | get a life! |
| 12:49.29 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 12:49.32 | Xinhuan | btw its only taking me 20 min |
| 12:49.34 | Xinhuan | to fly to hyjal |
| 12:49.36 | Xinhuan | to get my t6 |
| 12:49.36 | Ellipsis | at which point I will have no choice but to have sex with him |
| 12:49.38 | Thorgard_ | "Hey baby, I'm Exalted with Shen'dralar.." |
| 12:50.27 | nevcairiel | thats the worst part about getting t6 |
| 12:50.34 | nevcairiel | you need to fly to hyjal :P |
| 12:50.47 | Xinhuan | [Pauldrons of the Forgotten Vanquisher] [Chestguard of the Forgotten Vanquisher] |
| 12:50.49 | nevcairiel | oh Xinhuan, i got my second pair of t6 gloves yesterday |
| 12:50.51 | Xinhuan | they both vendor for 5g each |
| 12:50.52 | Xinhuan | wtf |
| 12:50.58 | nevcairiel | feral equip ftw |
| 12:50.59 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:51.07 | durcyn | eh, just get the free teleport-to-theramore quest |
| 12:51.09 | nevcairiel | rolled a 97 or so :p |
| 12:51.23 | nevcairiel | durcyn: didnt they patch that again? |
| 12:51.24 | [SW]Dodge | nevcairiel: also a feral druid? |
| 12:51.31 | Thorgard_ | This 'You have entered too many instances recently.' stuff is really puttin' a wrench in my Lichen farming. :/ |
| 12:51.32 | durcyn | it works on live |
| 12:51.43 | durcyn | pointless in 2.4 |
| 12:51.44 | CIA-9 | 03totalpackage * r63149 10StellarUF/ (StellarUF.toc core.lua frames.lua): |
| 12:51.44 | CIA-9 | StellarUF: |
| 12:51.44 | CIA-9 | - use SetFormattedText wherever necessary |
| 12:51.52 | nevcairiel | [SW]Dodge: nah, i'm healing, just everyone else had the gloves already so we rolled for secondary equip |
| 12:52.01 | [SW]Dodge | wtf :( |
| 12:52.03 | [SW]Dodge | need! |
| 12:52.17 | erzy | I got a conquerer pair I don't use |
| 12:52.29 | nevcairiel | the druid/mage/rogue head piece was roll'ed for too |
| 12:52.32 | [SW]Dodge | yesterday didnt get second t5 part couse of a fckn warri :( |
| 12:52.38 | nevcairiel | and shaman/warr/hunter roll on everything |
| 12:52.54 | [SW]Dodge | t6 classes ar different from t4/5? |
| 12:52.55 | nevcairiel | i think we only need some shoulders and some chests |
| 12:52.57 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 12:52.58 | erzy | yes |
| 12:53.06 | [SW]Dodge | nice |
| 12:53.21 | nevcairiel | druid/mage/rogue - warr/shaman/hunter - priest/pala/lock |
| 12:53.25 | durcyn | i can't remember the last time we had a t6 token go for main spec |
| 12:53.30 | [SW]Dodge | but we still have to kill kael :( |
| 12:53.37 | Chompers | kael tonight! |
| 12:53.40 | nevcairiel | we still have some chests and shoulders |
| 12:53.46 | Chompers | then hyjal for the first time |
| 12:53.46 | nevcairiel | oh yeha and the priest gloves yesterday |
| 12:53.48 | erzy | I need t6 chest... |
| 12:53.57 | [SW]Dodge | nev you are us right?^^ |
| 12:54.02 | nevcairiel | no |
| 12:54.03 | erzy | Got 8 Protector in a row :-/ |
| 12:54.03 | nevcairiel | eu |
| 12:54.07 | [SW]Dodge | :O |
| 12:54.12 | nevcairiel | we've had so many protector |
| 12:54.12 | [SW]Dodge | ally? :P |
| 12:54.15 | nevcairiel | its not funny anymore |
| 12:54.30 | nevcairiel | yeah ally |
| 12:54.50 | erzy | well, we got loads of vanquisher first. Every rogue/mage/druid had Head before we got first conquerer... |
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| 12:55.04 | erzy | now it's protector though |
| 12:55.08 | [SW]Dodge | if you now tell me that you are on a german server :_D |
| 12:55.10 | nevcairiel | we lack conqueror |
| 12:55.14 | nevcairiel | vanquisher is pretty good |
| 12:55.15 | erzy | Same |
| 12:55.19 | nevcairiel | and protector too much |
| 12:55.29 | nevcairiel | [SW]Dodge: i am |
| 12:55.37 | [SW]Dodge | O.o |
| 12:55.39 | nevcairiel | but we dont recruit =P |
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| 12:55.46 | [SW]Dodge | :( |
| 12:55.53 | Stanzilla | we give out teh Mage/Druid stuff for 2nd need, too |
| 12:55.57 | Stanzilla | drops all the time |
| 12:56.10 | nevcairiel | our warrs and shamans all have like 2 full t6 sets |
| 12:56.11 | erzy | yeh, vanquisher plague |
| 12:56.12 | nevcairiel | its stupid |
| 12:56.23 | Elsia | hmm how do I best port old aceconsole-2.0 stuff to ace3? is there console options support anymore? |
| 12:56.34 | erzy | well, we've got 4 Protector shoulders only |
| 12:56.53 | nevcairiel | we even had a leg piece stay in the mob last week |
| 12:56.55 | Stanzilla | one of our mages wanted to keep T5...now he was forced to take T6 .P |
| 12:56.55 | erzy | but everyone got the rest of the set for atleast 2 offspecs |
| 12:56.57 | Chompers | nev, is it easier to get t6 sets then t5? |
| 12:56.59 | erzy | same with vanquisher |
| 12:57.02 | nevcairiel | because everyone had their alt sets full too |
| 12:57.02 | Aike | Where do I get and introduction to lua programing? |
| 12:57.11 | nevcairiel | ~pil |
| 12:57.11 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 12:57.16 | chexsum_ | !lua |
| 12:57.19 | Chompers | t5 takes ages to collect :/ |
| 12:57.22 | chexsum_ | oops |
| 12:57.39 | Stanzilla | t6 head and gloves are fairly easy to get |
| 12:57.48 | Fastidius | Is there a way to completely disable the "hoover over" menus on Fubar, whether you are in combact or not? Like a plugin that when clicked (on a Fubar bar) will just disable those menus? |
| 12:57.49 | nevcairiel | Chompers: it takes a while .. same as t5 probably, its 2 instances too, and alot of bosses ebfore the first t6 drop |
| 12:58.01 | Chompers | true |
| 12:58.01 | chexsum_ | wow uses 5.1 lua so some parts of the 5.0 guide wont work |
| 12:58.04 | nevcairiel | well yeah hyjal is probably the easiest |
| 12:58.14 | Chompers | only have one peice of t5 after months in tk/ssc |
| 12:58.20 | Chompers | *piece |
| 12:58.21 | erzy | Hyjal is boring when I can't tank |
| 12:58.27 | Stanzilla | Chompers: shoulders? :P |
| 12:58.28 | Elsia | ah aceconfigcmd, i see |
| 12:58.30 | erzy | same as chompers |
| 12:58.42 | nevcairiel | we reduced healers on all raids, its getting soemwhat better now :P |
| 12:58.49 | Chompers | oh well, hyjal to look forward to now |
| 12:58.57 | Chompers | hope i never see ssc ever again |
| 12:59.01 | durcyn | erzy: you mean "hyjal is boring." |
| 12:59.12 | erzy | it's fun as a prot pala |
| 12:59.20 | Stanzilla | I find BT is more boring than Hyjal.. |
| 12:59.27 | Stanzilla | from Boss 1 to 4 |
| 12:59.37 | Stanzilla | or even 5 |
| 12:59.43 | nevcairiel | we wiped in hyjal last night because the shield of our prot pally broke while he was taking like 4 abonimations .. he died .. raid died :P |
| 12:59.59 | Aike | Is it true that Kael and Vashj are the funniest and most difficult bosses? |
| 13:00.02 | erzy | lol |
| 13:00.07 | Xinhuan | funny? no |
| 13:00.10 | Xinhuan | dificult? yes |
| 13:00.17 | Elsia | andone got a code example for aceconfigcmd-3.0? |
| 13:00.18 | Aike | I think Vashj is fun 8-) |
| 13:00.20 | nevcairiel | vashj is pretty boring once you did her |
| 13:00.28 | erzy | C'thun = most fun tbh |
| 13:00.31 | Xinhuan | try turning up your volume |
| 13:00.33 | nevcairiel | yeah cthun owned |
| 13:00.35 | Aike | Oh, really? o.O |
| 13:00.35 | Xinhuan | when you fight vashj |
| 13:00.39 | [Ammo] | ~tentacle |
| 13:00.41 | Xinhuan | and hear her yell |
| 13:00.44 | Xinhuan | like a cat |
| 13:00.50 | [Ammo] | ~c'thun |
| 13:00.50 | purl | [Ammo]: Is that a tentacle in your pants or are you happy to see me? |
| 13:00.56 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 13:01.00 | Xinhuan | it sounds like "urgh, argh, argh, uh, argh" |
| 13:01.03 | Xinhuan | when you attack vashj |
| 13:01.17 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: did you ever hear illidan scream like that, its stupid <.< |
| 13:01.31 | Aike | I'm using the german translation ... usually with no sounds as it's really bad. |
| 13:01.33 | erzy | WTB Able to set "Emotes only" in the sound tab :-/ |
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| 13:02.05 | Stanzilla | german client = teh fail |
| 13:02.12 | nevcairiel | uber fail |
| 13:02.13 | erzy | idd |
| 13:02.22 | Elsia | i really wish they had a language switch |
| 13:02.23 | Aike | hihi |
| 13:02.37 | Stanzilla | someone made a video from a illidan kill |
| 13:02.37 | Elsia | i.e. deDE->enUS |
| 13:02.40 | Stanzilla | with the german client |
| 13:02.52 | Elsia | or back which helps test localizations |
| 13:02.53 | Stanzilla | Illidan sounds like a gay |
| 13:03.29 | Aike | lol |
| 13:03.45 | Chompers | kael isn't hard |
| 13:03.53 | Chompers | you just need 25 people who are not stupid |
| 13:04.03 | erzy | true |
| 13:04.05 | Aike | Think that's true. The english originals are much better. Dunno where they get those german speakers from o.O |
| 13:04.08 | durcyn | Chompers: this is wow we're talking about, that approaches hard. |
| 13:04.25 | Aike | lol chompers |
| 13:04.39 | erzy | btw, can you get 'Hand of A'dal' after 2.4? |
| 13:04.42 | Fastidius | Is there a way to completely disable the "hoover over" menus on Fubar, whether you are in combact or not? Like a plugin that when clicked (on a Fubar bar) will just disable those menus? |
| 13:04.56 | Xinhuan | Fastidius: no |
| 13:05.04 | Fastidius | Xinhuan: Thanks. |
| 13:05.04 | Xinhuan | that requires modifying fubar itself |
| 13:05.17 | Chompers | true durcyn, that's what makes it hard, not the fight |
| 13:05.22 | Elsia | erzy: I |
| 13:05.25 | Elsia | think you can |
| 13:05.40 | Fastidius | Xinhuan: Perhaps I will sugest that. Even when checked to do not show during combat, some will.. |
| 13:08.01 | Fisker- | btw |
| 13:08.12 | Fisker- | anyone reported that you're able to make bigass mofo icons in the guild motd? |
| 13:08.29 | Fisker- | Probably not the best thing to have :P |
| 13:10.32 | Fisker- | noone knows? |
| 13:10.34 | Elsia | will aceconfigdialog if present automatically support any addon that registered options? |
| 13:12.30 | [dRaCo] | Elsia: they do have a language switch, called ELP :P |
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| 13:13.18 | Elsia | gief accessible switch |
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| 13:14.01 | [dRaCo] | accessible means you're on a private server? well, don't complain, you don't pay. |
| 13:14.19 | Elsia | nah I just want to switch the language on the client |
| 13:14.23 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 13:14.45 | [dRaCo] | you can once you dl'd the elp |
| 13:15.00 | |Pixel| | and switched your game back to 2.0 |
| 13:15.07 | |Pixel| | and re-downloaded all the patches up to 2.3.3 |
| 13:15.10 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 13:15.15 | |Pixel| | =) |
| 13:15.28 | [dRaCo] | but once you've got the english client, you'll never wanna go back, so... |
| 13:15.37 | Elsia | ah i see |
| 13:15.41 | |Pixel| | except if you wanna test stuff in other languages |
| 13:16.03 | Adys | accessible switch should mean a guild wars like switch :P |
| 13:16.07 | Elsia | I may actually wanna go through the pain of doing that :P |
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| 13:16.19 | |Pixel| | it's worth it :) |
| 13:16.23 | [dRaCo] | definitly |
| 13:16.37 | Elsia | i actually have enGB and deDE copies of the game :P |
| 13:16.44 | Elsia | not that I ever run the deDE copy |
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| 13:17.19 | break19 | enGB... just adds a regex for lor to lour :p |
| 13:17.43 | break19 | color -> colour, favorite -> favourite, etc |
| 13:17.50 | sb | go remove that deDE copy :p |
| 13:17.57 | |Pixel| | armory -> armoury |
| 13:17.59 | |Pixel| | wait |
| 13:18.01 | sb | is combatlog still broken on deDE? |
| 13:18.02 | Adys | lol |
| 13:18.02 | Megalon | let's go to Donnerfells |
| 13:18.06 | Megalon | and visit Unterstadt! |
| 13:18.11 | Megalon | Donnerfels |
| 13:18.12 | Megalon | :x |
| 13:18.12 | sb | (2.4 combatlog) |
| 13:18.26 | sb | you click on some selection -> combat log empty and not showing entries anymore |
| 13:18.28 | [SW]Dodge | sturmwind and Eisenschmiede > all! |
| 13:18.50 | Chompers | sturmwind :P |
| 13:19.28 | Elsia | it mostly makes it painfully obvious that it isn't all that great in english either, though some german translations are extremely painful |
| 13:19.37 | Elsia | my fav being the word for marauder :P |
| 13:23.13 | Stanzilla | Elsia: why were we talking in english on ptr? :P |
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| 13:24.17 | Elsia | no clue, because I tend to mostly speak english? ;) |
| 13:24.27 | Stanzilla | mm same here :P |
| 13:24.36 | break19 | here's a question..regarding that armory that was pasted earlier... |
| 13:24.57 | Elsia | and german actually gets in the way of talking about programming, as the programming terms are mostly english and have no elegant translations |
| 13:25.01 | break19 | how in the HELL did he manage to get both revered with 1 and honored with the other, when the two factions are mutually-exclusive?! |
| 13:25.24 | break19 | wrt magram/gelkis centaur of desolace.. |
| 13:25.45 | [dRaCo] | I'm unfriendly/friendly |
| 13:25.53 | break19 | last i checked, when you gain x rep, you lose X+more rep with the other |
| 13:25.57 | Elsia | maybe you don't lose any faction with them once revered? I have no clue how those factions actually function |
| 13:26.17 | durcyn | hm, i think there used to be some quest once you hit honored with one of them |
| 13:26.19 | [dRaCo] | back then it was +x/-x, break19 |
| 13:26.25 | Elsia | you are so revered you can kill us and we still like you ;) |
| 13:26.40 | [dRaCo] | back then being wow 1.x |
| 13:28.43 | Elsia | is there any docu about the ace3 config/options table format anywhere? |
| 13:28.53 | break19 | Elsia: yep |
| 13:28.56 | Elsia | gief :D |
| 13:29.09 | break19 | www.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 |
| 13:29.16 | Elsia | ~hug break19 |
| 13:29.16 | purl | ACTION hugs break19 tightly until break19 turns slightly blue |
| 13:29.27 | break19 | heh |
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| 13:30.09 | break19 | thinking of moving your recount's options to aceconfig? |
| 13:31.15 | Elsia | well I'm porting from ace2 to ace3 and recount already used aceconsole for some options |
| 13:31.37 | Elsia | but I actually like the gui window we use, no need to go through waterfall lists for a lot of this stuff |
| 13:32.05 | Elsia | but I'm contemplating making it transparent to the user, i.e. they can pick which way they like it |
| 13:32.30 | Josh_Borke | don't, leave it the way it was |
| 13:32.44 | break19 | nevcairiel: aceDBoptions-3 = easy profile support? |
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| 13:33.38 | Elsia | recount1 doesn't really want to be options-heavy so the little config gui we have is really meant to be all you'd want |
| 13:35.18 | break19 | Elsia: aceconfigcmd for slashcommand stuff, aceconfigdialog for gui stuff, or, if you intend to keep the included gui, dont use aceconfigdialog.. |
| 13:35.58 | break19 | the dialog/cmd stuff will read the exact same table.. just dont ask me how it all works.. im still fumbling about, myself. :) |
| 13:36.29 | Elsia | i kind of like optinal support, if aceconfigdialog is present, why not make the options visible there. If it's not present, no biggie either |
| 13:36.35 | break19 | speaking of which, I need to work some more on BuffBench.. I want it at least semi-working before I put in branches :P |
| 13:36.37 | Elsia | i definitely want slash commands though |
| 13:36.38 | Fisker- | what's the command for sending stuff in trade btw? |
| 13:37.07 | Fisker- | nevermind found it |
| 13:37.31 | break19 | Elsia: the thing is.. if you use aceconfig at all, both options will be there afaik |
| 13:37.50 | break19 | but again, I've never actually tried any of this stuff, soooo.. :) |
| 13:37.59 | Elsia | well I can use aceconfigcmd and registry and not embed aceconfig |
| 13:38.28 | break19 | i suppose.. never really tried it tho :) |
| 13:38.40 | Elsia | i'm working on this right now actually... |
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| 13:39.01 | break19 | but, time for me to get busy on the "guts" of BuffBench |
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| 13:43.59 | Thorgard_ | break19, BuffBench? |
| 13:44.16 | Thorgard_ | Finally we can allow obese people into the public parks? |
| 13:44.27 | break19 | lol |
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| 13:45.29 | break19 | a "quickbar" for top 5 most used self-buffs, including weapon buffs(items and shammy spells). full customizable scale and position.. not even close to working yet |
| 13:45.42 | Maldivia | I think the version they use today is DebuffBench... you get sick just by sitting down |
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| 13:46.29 | break19 | quick question about lua in general.. a simple yes or no. assume I have loc = { x=200, y=400 }, can I later on set both at once by loc[x,y] = 200,400 ? |
| 13:47.10 | Maldivia | not like that, no |
| 13:47.20 | break19 | Maldivia: am I close? |
| 13:47.25 | Maldivia | loc.x, loc.y = 200, 400 |
| 13:47.27 | [SW]Dodge | loc.x,loc.y = 300,400 <- should work |
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| 13:47.51 | break19 | ok. yea. know about that way, was just wantin to condense as much as I could, for readability :) |
| 13:47.54 | break19 | thanks guys |
| 13:48.29 | Maldivia | loc[x,y] is not readable... I'd read it as a multi-dimensional array instead :9 |
| 13:49.04 | break19 | Maldivia: guess it depends on your scripting knowledge.. :) |
| 13:50.16 | Maldivia | true |
| 13:50.27 | Grum | tbh, best not to use tables like that |
| 13:50.33 | Grum | unless you plan to massively recycle :) |
| 13:50.50 | Fisker- | damn |
| 13:51.03 | Fisker- | it appears i can't put links directly into trade |
| 13:51.04 | Fisker- | QQ |
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| 13:51.17 | nevcairiel | nah trade is limited to the default icons .P |
| 13:51.22 | nevcairiel | and links |
| 13:51.45 | Fisker- | i was about to reinvent thunderfury spam :< |
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| 13:52.58 | Fisker- | you can still do it guild motd |
| 13:54.04 | Fisker- | perhaps they should disable that :D |
| 13:54.57 | Maldivia | you're already pondering up some evil plans? |
| 13:55.50 | Fisker- | of course |
| 13:55.51 | Fisker- | http://i30.tinypic.com/207l1jt.jpg |
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| 13:58.29 | Maldivia | Fisker-: what about the new types? Spell, unit, texture etc? |
| 13:58.49 | Fisker- | :o? |
| 13:59.11 | Maldivia | guess you can aswell |
| 14:03.00 | Fisker- | man if only you could do it in trade |
| 14:03.01 | Fisker- | i hate you nevcairiel |
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| 14:21.02 | Maldivia | Fisker-: well, shouldn't be too hard to create an addon that automatically adds the icon for you on links received |
| 14:21.45 | Fisker- | that wasn't the point : |
| 14:21.48 | Fisker- | :P |
| 14:22.00 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8287-ChatIcons.html#info |
| 14:23.05 | nevcairiel | been done :P |
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| 14:26.40 | Tigerdyr | hmm.. if you run through the bufflist on a person, is there any way to tell if the buff is an "Battle elixir" or "Guardian elixir" or <both>/flask |
| 14:27.11 | nevcairiel | not without creating a list of all elixirs |
| 14:27.15 | chexsum_ | woops @ having 2 wows up and trying to alt+tab |
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| 14:27.29 | chexsum_ | it kept logging me out so i kept logging in and hitting alt+tab lol |
| 14:27.34 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:27.36 | chexsum_ | little did i know... |
| 14:27.49 | nevcairiel | you, my friend, fail |
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| 14:29.23 | Elsia | will acedb only restore fields that are defined in the defaults? |
| 14:31.03 | Elsia | i.e. I don't have isPlayer in the defaults but set db.char.isPlayer=true later, it won't be stored/recovered it seems |
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| 14:31.15 | Elsia | that's acedb-3.0 |
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| 14:33.06 | nevcairiel | no it stores anything |
| 14:34.06 | Elsia | `hmm weird |
| 14:34.25 | Elsia | reloadui messes things up for me, let me try track that down in detail |
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| 14:44.44 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63153 10WitchHunt/ (10 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:44.44 | CIA-9 | WitchHunt: now using Ace3 libs and sink2.0 |
| 14:44.44 | CIA-9 | config not working yet |
| 14:46.00 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63154 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: script dependencies per Panel now works |
| 14:46.20 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63155 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.toc: WitchHunt: opt-dep correction |
| 14:49.15 | Kalroth | files.wowace.com should have a top 10 of addons with most revisions! |
| 14:49.53 | Xinhuan | i'll prefer top 10 downloads |
| 14:49.56 | Xinhuan | as more useful stats |
| 14:49.59 | [SW]Dodge | and a search functionn:= |
| 14:50.01 | [SW]Dodge | :) |
| 14:50.34 | doc^bla | i'd like number of downloads too^^ |
| 14:50.36 | sylvanaar_work | those stats are roughly the same, #revision = #downloads |
| 14:51.32 | Elsia | top 10 commits could encourage micro-committing, i.e. commit loads when less works just as well or even better |
| 14:51.52 | nevcairiel | would have to be smarter script, unique downloads or something, not coounting download of updates by the same client |
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| 14:53.44 | Elsia | alright recount seems to work fine with ace3 modulo me needing to write a new roster handling |
| 14:55.25 | [SW]Dodge | Elsia: what is the difference beteween Recount/2.4 and Recount2/2.4? |
| 14:55.41 | Grum | one is a complete rewrite from scratch |
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| 14:55.59 | [SW]Dodge | ah k :) |
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| 14:58.21 | Poul|Raider | is there a word for when a name is writtend with first letter capital and the rest non-capital. |
| 14:58.50 | kenlyric | capitalized? |
| 14:59.06 | Grum | well in some languages you can force a word to be like that by a 'ucfirst' function |
| 14:59.17 | durcyn | a name specifically would just be a proper noun, or did you mean sentence case..? |
| 14:59.30 | Elsia | dodge: recount 2.4 is essentially the current recount but adopted for 2.4 and now soon ace3'ified/streamlined otherwise. |
| 14:59.47 | Xinhuan | This is sentence case, This Is Title Case |
| 14:59.51 | Elsia | recount2 is a from scratch rewrite with completely different data handling, it's pre-pre-pre-alpha |
| 15:00.04 | Grum | THIS IS CAPITALIZED |
| 15:00.10 | Grum | this is lowercase |
| 15:00.15 | Grum | THIS IS UPPERCASE |
| 15:00.32 | Grum | ThIs Is GiVinG HeAdAcHeS! |
| 15:00.36 | vhaarr | no it isn't |
| 15:00.37 | Elsia | tHiS iS AlL wACKiCaSE |
| 15:00.39 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization |
| 15:00.40 | Fisker- | GIVE ME IE 8 |
| 15:00.44 | vhaarr | This Is Capitalized |
| 15:00.55 | Poul|Raider | i was just looking for a good method to convert names to first letter to capital and rest to non-capital, and was missing a word for saying so |
| 15:01.01 | Kalroth | THIS IS SPARTA |
| 15:01.11 | Grum | Poul|Raider: 'ucfirst' ? :D |
| 15:01.13 | vhaarr | capitalized is the word you want |
| 15:01.14 | Poul|Raider | in c# |
| 15:01.42 | Elsia | raider: in lua: string.upper(string.sub(capsstr,1,1))..string.lower(string.sub(capsstr,2)) |
| 15:01.53 | Elsia | where capstr is any string |
| 15:01.56 | Kalroth | Poul|Raider: Title Case is the proper term |
| 15:02.08 | Elsia | er any word that is |
| 15:02.09 | Poul|Raider | oki Kalroth |
| 15:02.12 | Kalroth | Poul|Raider: check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_case for the list |
| 15:02.15 | Grum | Xinhuan said that! |
| 15:02.30 | vhaarr | str:lower():gsub("^%l", string.upper) |
| 15:02.37 | vhaarr | Elsia: ^ |
| 15:02.46 | Kalroth | Grum: I'm better than Xinhuan though and since he's a robot, he wont cry when I say this! |
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| 15:02.53 | Poul|Raider | and Grum, c# dont have a ucfirst |
| 15:02.54 | Elsia | ;) |
| 15:03.03 | Grum | Kalroth: he will just terminate you and your offspring! |
| 15:03.14 | Grum | Poul|Raider: omg! gimped language |
| 15:03.18 | Poul|Raider | ! |
| 15:03.18 | Poul|Raider | :D |
| 15:03.29 | Xinhuan | i'm curently farming 8 arcane tomes |
| 15:03.33 | Xinhuan | for my t6 shoulders lol |
| 15:03.40 | Xinhuan | got 6 so far in 40 min |
| 15:03.45 | Grum | auch |
| 15:03.46 | Xinhuan | and about 34 scryer signets |
| 15:03.52 | Grum | you can farm them on the AH :D |
| 15:03.52 | Poul|Raider | but google is vise when you feet it right :D |
| 15:03.55 | Poul|Raider | wise |
| 15:03.58 | Kalroth | yes there is, Poul |
| 15:04.00 | Poul|Raider | or how its spelled! |
| 15:04.01 | Kalroth | System.Globalization.CultureInfo.CurrentUICulture.TextInfo.ToTitleCase(test); |
| 15:04.08 | Poul|Raider | :) |
| 15:04.09 | Xinhuan | i have a rule |
| 15:04.09 | Poul|Raider | thx |
| 15:04.30 | Xinhuan | the rule is that i will never buy from AH something i can farm easily ;p |
| 15:04.35 | Kalroth | "ToTitleCase() will only lower the case if the entire word isn't in caps" |
| 15:04.40 | Grum | you can farm anything 'easily' |
| 15:05.03 | Xinhuan | my definition is easy is anything that has a drop rate > 1% |
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| 15:05.16 | Xinhuan | s/is/of/ |
| 15:05.35 | Grum | auch |
| 15:05.49 | Poul|Raider | Kalroth. "The ToTitleCase method is not static and needs an instance of the class. " doh |
| 15:05.57 | Kalroth | Poul|Raider: Yup |
| 15:06.04 | Kalroth | You need to create a TextInfo object |
| 15:06.05 | Kalroth | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.globalization.textinfo.totitlecase.aspx |
| 15:06.10 | Grum | Poul|Raider: what were you making? O.o |
| 15:06.35 | Poul|Raider | i just wanted to convert usernames to Title Case in my signup form D |
| 15:06.43 | Grum | lol |
| 15:06.54 | Grum | string.upper(string.sub(capsstr,1,1))..string.lower(string.sub(capsstr,2)) ftw ;D |
| 15:07.01 | Poul|Raider | ! |
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| 15:07.23 | Kalroth | Grum: that's only the first letter, no? |
| 15:07.43 | Kalroth | He wants the first letter in every word to be upper case |
| 15:08.18 | Grum | $string = join ' ', map +ucfirst split / /, $string ; # go perl |
| 15:09.20 | Poul|Raider | Kalroth, i just wanted to do it on one word aswell |
| 15:09.40 | Kalroth | Poul|Raider: Oh, then it's not title casing you're looking for |
| 15:10.07 | Grum | he said: 'as well' :D |
| 15:10.30 | Kalroth | well title case does it on one word as well :) |
| 15:10.39 | Poul|Raider | :D |
| 15:11.00 | Poul|Raider | figured that much |
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| 15:11.33 | Grum | yay for over enginering :D |
| 15:11.47 | Grum | lets get out our System.Globalization.CultureInfo.CurrentUICulture.TextInfo.ToTitleCase(test); ... to ucfirst every word in a string! |
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| 15:12.16 | Grum | you can kill someone with that >< |
| 15:12.37 | xyu | you'll poke an eye out |
| 15:13.27 | Grum | and break your hands typing |
| 15:13.39 | Grum | oh, i forgot, to code c# you *NEED* an IDE |
| 15:14.12 | Maldivia | and people complain about Java being verbose... |
| 15:14.22 | Grum | hehe |
| 15:14.29 | Grum | check that mssn page |
| 15:14.32 | Grum | msdn ... |
| 15:14.41 | Grum | it will make your eyes bleed |
| 15:16.03 | Grum | it even has a (sorry for lowercase) system.runtime.interopservices.custommarshalers.enumerabletodispatchmarshaler.marshalmanagedtonative |
| 15:16.03 | Grum | omg that is *SO* what i wanted >< |
| 15:16.04 | Grum | and ofc it has girly-caps |
| 15:16.19 | Grum | so you have annoying pains to *EVER* try and type that yourself |
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| 15:18.01 | durcyn | Grum: well of course. real men code by clicking on shiny icons in a gui, of course. |
| 15:18.03 | Grum | kek! what about System.Runtime.Remoting.Metadata.W3cXsd2001 |
| 15:18.12 | Grum | imho that should be W3C .. not W3c |
| 15:18.24 | Grum | you seriously cant code that crap without a IDE =D |
| 15:19.16 | Maldivia | who in their right mind would try? |
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| 15:20.01 | Grum | fekin hell, one disk in my raid5 has bad sectors O.o |
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| 15:20.45 | break19 | help a "bash" man find a lua equivalent for "for i in {b1, b2, b3, b4, b5}; do if i.enabled = true then stuffhere; done" heh |
| 15:21.53 | Maldivia | for k,v in pairs({b1,b2,b3,b4,b5} do if v.enabled then stuffhere() end end |
| 15:22.01 | SunTsu | break19: Does it help to tell you that this is perl and not bash? ;) |
| 15:22.08 | break19 | Maldivia: excellent, thanks. :) |
| 15:22.17 | break19 | Suntsu heh |
| 15:22.25 | Maldivia | break19: add the missing ) to end the pairs(..) yourself :9 |
| 15:22.27 | Grum | t = {b1, b2, b3, b4, b5}; for i=1, #t do if t[i].enabled then ... end end |
| 15:22.36 | break19 | Maldivia: yes of course.. :) |
| 15:22.53 | break19 | so.. which of those methods would be the better course? lol |
| 15:23.17 | Maldivia | table.foreach({1b,b2,b3,b4,b5}, function(index, data) if data.enabled then stuffhere() end end) |
| 15:23.22 | Maldivia | a lot of ways to do it :) |
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| 15:23.36 | break19 | I see.. lol |
| 15:23.45 | Grum | crap |
| 15:23.50 | Grum | crapcrapcrap |
| 15:23.52 | break19 | so uh, which would ya'll recommend? most efficient one? |
| 15:24.22 | Grum | t = {b1, b2, b3, b4, b5}; for i=1, #t do if t[i].enabled then ... end end <- should be most efficient |
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| 15:24.40 | break19 | thanks |
| 15:24.44 | Grum | meeh one of the 8 disks is literally getting into a grinding halt |
| 15:24.48 | Maldivia | break19: really depends on what b1..b5 is |
| 15:24.58 | Maldivia | break19: and why you want it in a table |
| 15:25.04 | break19 | local b1 = db.profile.button1 |
| 15:25.21 | Maldivia | break19: ok, so you can store the table for later use? |
| 15:25.31 | break19 | i'm checking states of buttons 1-5, to see if they're enabled, if they are, show them. if they arent, dont create them |
| 15:25.51 | break19 | and yes, the state is stored in savedvars |
| 15:26.23 | Grum | O.o ... 75 bad sectors appeared in the last 25 minutes |
| 15:26.40 | Maldivia | another way: for i=1,5 do if db.profile["button"..i].enabled then dostuff() end |
| 15:27.08 | Maldivia | Grum: time for a new harddrive... |
| 15:27.16 | Grum | yeah no kidding |
| 15:27.17 | break19 | Maldivia: thanks |
| 15:27.24 | Grum | it only sucks that i now have a ~12 hour raid-rebuild ahead ;( |
| 15:28.20 | Maldivia | hmm, if youre starting to see bad sectors then it means the drives internal bad sector table is filled... |
| 15:28.34 | Grum | they are still getting marked atm |
| 15:28.38 | break19 | Grum: not necessarily.. I had a 15G HD that about 7yrs after i got it, got a nice little chunk of bad sectors.. and never got worse until I replaced it several years later |
| 15:28.41 | Grum | but its the OS which marks it |
| 15:28.56 | Grum | break19: my 3.5tb raid is down atm |
| 15:29.05 | Grum | so its kinda erm 'run to shop get a disk time' :D |
| 15:29.16 | break19 | grum: bad bad bad.. abort the format, and run a "zero-out" low level format on the disks.. |
| 15:29.22 | Grum | format? |
| 15:29.37 | Grum | one of my 8 disks just died, no formatting going on |
| 15:29.41 | break19 | so the sectors are appearing during use? ouch |
| 15:29.42 | Grum | my controller is marking bad sectors |
| 15:29.44 | Grum | yup |
| 15:29.52 | Grum | 98 now O.o |
| 15:30.01 | Grum | lol disk just went down and up again |
| 15:30.05 | Grum | riiight |
| 15:30.10 | nevcairiel | byebye grum |
| 15:30.20 | Grum | raid is still working :D |
| 15:30.25 | Grum | so no worries yet =D |
| 15:30.40 | break19 | yea.. replace the drive.. but put the drive into a single machine, and run a low-level format on it.. I'd be willing to bet the problems go away.. |
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| 15:30.59 | Grum | break19: it has been a drive with problems all its life |
| 15:31.09 | break19 | ah. then i'd lose the bet |
| 15:31.14 | Grum | 'number 3/8' has dropped dead so many times i cant remember |
| 15:31.16 | Maldivia | Grum: well, be glad it's a raid5 then, and not a raid 0 :9 |
| 15:31.21 | break19 | seagate? or ibm? heh |
| 15:31.22 | Grum | Maldivia: no kidding |
| 15:31.27 | Grum | hmmm STMXXXXXXX |
| 15:31.41 | break19 | looks like a seagate model number. heh |
| 15:31.44 | nevcairiel | if new bad sectors appear by the minute, i dont think a low-level format can fix those |
| 15:31.44 | Grum | ST3500630AS |
| 15:31.51 | nevcairiel | yeah its seagate |
| 15:32.01 | break19 | yep.. that was your -first- mistake. lol |
| 15:32.01 | Grum | i got 4x2 disks of different vendors in my raid |
| 15:32.10 | Maldivia | ahh ,a berracuda7 |
| 15:32.13 | Maldivia | love those disks |
| 15:32.16 | Grum | no actually, that is what you should do break19 |
| 15:32.19 | nevcairiel | seagate is generally good, imho |
| 15:32.30 | Grum | if you as a 'person' buy disks you always get em from one batch |
| 15:32.43 | Grum | therefor the chances of more than 1 breaking if one dies at the same time are slightly biger |
| 15:32.47 | Grum | *bigger |
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| 15:33.16 | Grum | oh well, getting dressed |
| 15:33.19 | Grum | and going to get a new disk :) |
| 15:34.30 | Maldivia | "en grum dag" :) |
| 15:35.17 | Maldivia | ( grum means crual/grusom in Danish :) |
| 15:35.33 | nevcairiel | grum is cruel, that fits |
| 15:36.12 | Grum | also grumpy ofc ... wtb someone with a company in paraguay .. so i can get grum.py! |
| 15:36.18 | Maldivia | and apparently, I can't spell gruesome :) |
| 15:37.38 | Maldivia | ... or cruel for that matter... damn |
| 15:38.34 | Grum | i wasnt going to tell you ;D |
| 15:38.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:39.23 | Grum | bbiab |
| 15:39.24 | Elsia | lua> str="aa" if str==nil then print(str) end |
| 15:39.24 | lua_bot | Elsia: No output |
| 15:46.03 | sylvanaar_work | lua> print("?") |
| 15:46.06 | lua_bot | sylvanaar_work: ? |
| 15:48.03 | [SW]Dodge | lua> print ("!") |
| 15:48.03 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: ! |
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| 15:51.22 | Snago | lua> print(".") |
| 15:51.23 | lua_bot | Snago: . |
| 15:51.25 | Maldivia | lua> print("aa" or print("bb")) |
| 15:51.25 | lua_bot | Maldivia: aa |
| 15:51.46 | Maldivia | lua> print("aa" and print("bb")) |
| 15:51.47 | lua_bot | Maldivia: bb, nil |
| 15:51.47 | [SW]Dodge | lua> print("?" and print("!")) |
| 15:51.47 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: !, nil |
| 15:51.52 | [SW]Dodge | lol |
| 15:52.39 | Snago | wait... what? |
| 15:52.53 | Snago | what happend there? :S |
| 15:53.11 | Snago | lua> print(print("a")) |
| 15:53.12 | lua_bot | Snago: a |
| 15:53.19 | krka | print returns nil |
| 15:53.33 | krka | lua short circuits |
| 15:53.34 | nevcairiel | or rather, nothing |
| 15:53.36 | krka | end of story :) |
| 15:53.43 | krka | good point nevcairiel |
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| 15:54.01 | Snago | aha, and the print inside the print gets ran first ofc.. |
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| 15:54.54 | [SW]Dodge | lua> print(nil) |
| 15:54.55 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: nil |
| 15:55.04 | [SW]Dodge | :O |
| 15:55.09 | Josh_Borke | lua> print(type(print("bob"))) |
| 15:55.09 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: bob, luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected) |
| 15:55.16 | Maldivia | lua>print(print("test")==nil) |
| 15:55.17 | lua_bot | Maldivia: test, true |
| 15:55.29 | nevcairiel | nothing compares to nil |
| 15:55.33 | nevcairiel | but as josh showed |
| 15:55.37 | nevcairiel | its like no value |
| 15:55.47 | Josh_Borke | print just doesn't return |
| 15:55.56 | Josh_Borke | lua> type((function() end)()) |
| 15:55.57 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected) |
| 15:56.00 | Josh_Borke | lua> type((function() return end)()) |
| 15:56.00 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'type' (value expected) |
| 15:56.06 | [SW]Dodge | lua> print(print("a") == print("b")) |
| 15:56.07 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: a, b, true |
| 15:56.10 | [SW]Dodge | liar! |
| 15:56.23 | Josh_Borke | lua> print(print("a") == (function() end)()) |
| 15:56.23 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: a, true |
| 15:56.25 | nevcairiel | comparing nothing to nothing is of course true |
| 15:56.32 | [SW]Dodge | :E |
| 15:56.37 | nevcairiel | because in comparison, nothing == nil |
| 15:56.52 | Josh_Borke | nothing is something when talking to nil |
| 15:57.05 | nevcairiel | if a var is undefined, is it nil or nothing? |
| 15:57.12 | Josh_Borke | obviously nothing |
| 15:57.20 | nevcairiel | lua> local var; return type(var); |
| 15:57.21 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: nil |
| 15:57.32 | xyu | your life is nil! |
| 15:57.37 | Josh_Borke | lua> return type(var) |
| 15:57.37 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: nil |
| 15:57.42 | Maldivia | lua> print(print("a") == print("==") == print("b")) |
| 15:57.43 | lua_bot | Maldivia: a, ==, b, false |
| 15:57.47 | nevcairiel | lua> type(xyu) |
| 15:57.47 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: nil |
| 15:58.00 | krka | lua> return select("#", print("hello world")) |
| 15:58.00 | lua_bot | krka: hello world, 0 |
| 15:58.10 | krka | lua> return select("#", (print("hello world"))) |
| 15:58.11 | lua_bot | krka: hello world, 1 |
| 15:58.23 | krka | lua> return select("#", (print("hello world"), 1)) |
| 15:58.24 | lua_bot | krka: luabot:1: ')' expected near ',' |
| 15:58.24 | nevcairiel | the () converts it to nil |
| 15:58.27 | Josh_Borke | so apparently the only nothing is when a function returns? |
| 15:58.30 | krka | lua> return select("#", print("hello world"), 1) |
| 15:58.30 | lua_bot | krka: hello world, 2 |
| 15:58.47 | krka | the () pads to exactly 1 result |
| 15:58.51 | krka | both up and down |
| 15:58.55 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 15:59.15 | nevcairiel | lua> return select("#", (a, b)) |
| 15:59.15 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: ')' expected near ',' |
| 15:59.29 | nevcairiel | oh well was worth a try :P |
| 15:59.33 | krka | bad syntax |
| 15:59.52 | krka | lua> function foo() return 1,2 end return select("#", foo()) |
| 15:59.52 | lua_bot | krka: 2 |
| 15:59.59 | krka | lua> function foo() return 1,2 end return select("#", (foo())) |
| 15:59.59 | lua_bot | krka: 1 |
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| 16:06.32 | break19 | grum: "yep.. that was your -first- mistake. lol" was referring to the seagate... |
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| 16:12.16 | Grum | break19: nothing wrong with any brand of disks tbh |
| 16:12.30 | Grum | just with some revisions of some batches of some factories |
| 16:12.44 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r63158 10Recount/ (26 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:12.44 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 16:12.44 | CIA-9 | - Ported to ace3, removed all Ace2 and non-libstub dependencies. Replaced |
| 16:12.44 | CIA-9 | Roster-2.1 with own code. Some preparation for UnitGUID-based pet handling (not |
| 16:12.44 | CIA-9 | yet complete). Now Recount depends on parts of Ace3, babble-class-3.0, |
| 16:12.45 | CIA-9 | libsharedmedia-3.0 and libgraph-2.0. DB structure has changed. May need deleting |
| 16:12.49 | CIA-9 | of WTF/*/Recount.lua files (both SVPC and SV). Only combat data is now SVPC. |
| 16:13.45 | break19 | lua> for i=1,5 do temp..i = "temp"..i end print(temp2) |
| 16:13.45 | lua_bot | break19: luabot:1: '=' expected near '..' |
| 16:13.54 | break19 | meh |
| 16:14.31 | Grum | lua> for i=1,5 do _G["temp"..i] = "temp"..i end print(temp2) |
| 16:14.31 | lua_bot | Grum: temp2 |
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| 16:14.42 | xyu | quick question , one of you might know real fast. What's the macro command to disable the error text in a macro. something UIerrorFrame or something |
| 16:14.44 | Grum | but its ugly, use arrays/lists/tables/whatever |
| 16:15.41 | Grum | /script UIErrorsFrame:Hide() .... /script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show() |
| 16:15.47 | xyu | yessu |
| 16:15.48 | xyu | thanks |
| 16:15.56 | Xinhuan | don't need the :Hide and :Show |
| 16:15.59 | Seerah | you don't need the hide or show |
| 16:16.00 | Grum | true |
| 16:16.01 | Xinhuan | redundant |
| 16:16.19 | xyu | just /script UIErrorsFrame:Clear() then? |
| 16:16.35 | Seerah | you'd be doing hide, clear, show all at the *exact* same time, so it's pointless and only uses more resources |
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| 16:16.56 | Seerah | yes, xyu |
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| 16:17.16 | RaydenU | lifetap changes mean we'll be seeing warlocks with as little hp as possible? |
| 16:17.18 | xyu | thanks |
| 16:17.51 | [Ammo] | glass cannon locks |
| 16:17.54 | Seerah | I doubt that, RaydenU |
| 16:17.57 | [Ammo] | even more 0/21/40 cookiecutters |
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| 16:18.24 | Stanzilla | Elsia: http://ace.pastey.net/83107 |
| 16:18.24 | RaydenU | more hp means life tap returns less mana |
| 16:18.29 | RaydenU | so less hp means it returns more mana |
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| 16:18.41 | [Ammo] | no, more hp means same mana costs more hp |
| 16:19.11 | Seerah | the hp is the variable, not the mana |
| 16:19.11 | Maldivia | more hp means more hp is list from life tap, more mana means more mana is gained from life tap |
| 16:19.15 | Elsia | stan: thanks let me see |
| 16:19.32 | Seerah | oh yeah - it's both, isn't it? |
| 16:19.41 | [Ammo] | yeah its both |
| 16:19.45 | RaydenU | the % of life you lose will be the % of mana you gain |
| 16:19.52 | Elsia | ah I see |
| 16:19.57 | RaydenU | and life tap takes a fixed amount of hp right? |
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| 16:20.15 | Maldivia | it's currently 20% max hp for 20% max mana |
| 16:20.16 | Seerah | a fixed percentage iirc |
| 16:20.24 | Kivin | wtb my thraebot :( |
| 16:20.28 | Maldivia | (talent to lower the hp requirement) |
| 16:20.35 | RaydenU | so if it takes 1000 hp and you have 10,000 hp that's that's 10% but if you have 5000 hp then that's 20% |
| 16:21.18 | Lukian | Kivin, agreed :( |
| 16:21.47 | Seerah | If you have 10k hp and 8k mana, it costs 2k hp to lifetap and will return 1600 mana |
| 16:21.52 | Maldivia | RaydenU: If you have 12k max health and 10k max mana, then using life tap will take 2400 hp and give you 2000 mana |
| 16:22.10 | RaydenU | how is the hp taken determined? |
| 16:22.11 | Lukian | Seerah, use rank 1 |
| 16:22.15 | Maldivia | 20% of max |
| 16:22.32 | Seerah | we just said - fixed percentage |
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| 16:23.07 | RaydenU | it's always 20%? |
| 16:23.08 | Seerah | Lukian: what do you mean use rank 1? My lock is lvl 45 and hasn't been touched in a year. We're just explaining the mechanics |
| 16:23.28 | [Ammo] | rank 1 = 5% rank 2 = 10% rank 3 = 20% |
| 16:23.36 | Maldivia | always 20% max hp... and 20-24% maxmana (depending on talents) |
| 16:23.39 | xyu | locks are my enemies, so understanding them is essential! |
| 16:23.40 | Maldivia | for max rank |
| 16:23.49 | RaydenU | so wowwiki is completely wrong? it gives a fixed value per rank |
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| 16:24.00 | Seerah | That's the old way |
| 16:24.03 | Maldivia | RaydenU: life tap was changed 5 days ago on PTR |
| 16:24.06 | Seerah | 2.4 hasn't hit yet |
| 16:24.07 | RaydenU | ok |
| 16:24.11 | RaydenU | so it's all based on % |
| 16:24.13 | RaydenU | hmm |
| 16:24.25 | RaydenU | so having more hp won't reduce the mana you get, it will just mean more life is lost |
| 16:24.32 | Maldivia | correct |
| 16:24.35 | RaydenU | so harder to heal you |
| 16:24.39 | xyu | so healers yell |
| 16:24.40 | RaydenU | but other than that, still stack hp |
| 16:24.53 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r63159 10Recount/roster.lua: |
| 16:24.53 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 16:24.53 | CIA-9 | - missing roster.lua |
| 16:25.09 | Elsia | stan: try now ;) |
| 16:26.01 | RaydenU | so it can be a good thing |
| 16:26.06 | RaydenU | if you stack int instead |
| 16:26.34 | CIA-9 | 03kunda * r63160 10Recount/locales/Recount-deDE.lua: Recount: deDE update |
| 16:26.40 | Elsia | \o/ |
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| 16:30.08 | xyu | how do you stack int w/ your itemization? :P |
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| 16:30.20 | xyu | upi |
| 16:30.24 | xyu | oops homerow! |
| 16:30.28 | xyu | you'll have to go all non-set |
| 16:32.26 | xyu | it's mostly just to hurt arena warlocks anyway, don't raidbuffed warlocks have a mana pool a lot closer to their hp number? |
| 16:33.26 | RaydenU | i dunno |
| 16:33.37 | RaydenU | they seem to be saying they will take more dmg and receive less mana |
| 16:35.07 | RaydenU | it's good to be a spriest these days |
| 16:35.08 | RaydenU | no buffs |
| 16:35.09 | RaydenU | no nerfs |
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| 16:35.28 | break19 | .. no raid spots. |
| 16:35.30 | break19 | heh |
| 16:35.34 | RaydenU | ? |
| 16:35.49 | xyu | spot for 1 or 2 for sure |
| 16:36.01 | xyu | if you're one of those 2 shadowpriest, you make every raid |
| 16:36.11 | RaydenU | oh |
| 16:36.41 | RaydenU | i've done the beginning of ZA with 2 spriests |
| 16:37.05 | RaydenU | it's interesting to see how much the other one affects my mana |
| 16:37.09 | RaydenU | never ran with a spriest before |
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| 16:37.30 | RaydenU | i can definitely tell when he dies or when he is rotating MB and SWD or not |
| 16:37.45 | RaydenU | i had someone telling me that SWD isn't really good for pve and doesn't add much to dps... |
| 16:37.48 | RaydenU | i forget who |
| 16:37.53 | RaydenU | maybe someone in guild |
| 16:37.57 | dylanm | That person is crazy. |
| 16:38.05 | RaydenU | it seems like a terrible spell for pvp |
| 16:38.11 | RaydenU | when your own health is much more important |
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| 16:44.40 | [Endeavour] | How can i color a part of a string using string.format? Like "You will die!" ---> "You will <RED TEXT> die </RED TEXT>!" |
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| 16:46.09 | xyu | scary |
| 16:46.11 | FinalX | RaydenU: it's a terrible spell for pve as well imho, much better off casting another mind flay in most cases, your dots should be your main source of dps, could throw in some mind flays or mind blast.. fear -> mind flay works too.. |
| 16:46.24 | FinalX | although my dots come to the point of doing *too much* damage and break fear now >.> |
| 16:46.35 | RaydenU | uh |
| 16:46.41 | RaydenU | you dont' really use fear in raids |
| 16:46.52 | FinalX | i wasnt talking about raids though |
| 16:46.58 | RaydenU | it is: higher dps than mind flay with no downsides |
| 16:46.59 | xyu | i just heard SW:D was quite mana intensive |
| 16:46.59 | FinalX | but in raids you're usually mind flay'ing |
| 16:47.03 | break19 | yea, every time I see cia say "alar" it makes me wanna cringe. |
| 16:47.05 | RaydenU | well then what does it matter? |
| 16:47.10 | RaydenU | if you need high dps then you swd |
| 16:47.21 | RaydenU | xyu it is |
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| 16:47.32 | RaydenU | there is a trade off between more dps and more mana efficiency |
| 16:47.33 | FinalX | sw:death doesn't really fit in a normal cycle and you're usually only straining healers or yourself. |
| 16:47.40 | RaydenU | not true |
| 16:47.46 | RaydenU | with VE you shouldn't be a burden at all |
| 16:47.52 | xyu | nah it doesn't strain healers at all |
| 16:47.54 | RaydenU | also spriests don't have a normal cycle |
| 16:47.59 | FinalX | plus, most raiders do not even have increased crit chance for mb/sw:d in their talents because they can get much more useful talents then that |
| 16:48.03 | kadrahil | 10:47 < RaydenU> also spriests don't have a normal cycle |
| 16:48.03 | kadrahil | true |
| 16:48.05 | FinalX | yes, they do |
| 16:48.07 | RaydenU | uh |
| 16:48.09 | RaydenU | no they don't |
| 16:48.12 | FinalX | honestly, they do. |
| 16:48.12 | xyu | no they dont |
| 16:48.16 | xyu | imo they don't |
| 16:48.21 | xyu | sorry, but if only 2 of your spells crit |
| 16:48.23 | xyu | you don't take that talent |
| 16:48.24 | FinalX | yeah, they really do. and sw:death does not fit in. |
| 16:48.25 | kadrahil | spriests job are pretty much just keep VT, VE, SW:P up.. and mindblast/mindflay in between |
| 16:48.38 | EvilJohn | FE = threat machine |
| 16:48.38 | RaydenU | "we don’t have a set rotation, but you can sum it up as “keep everything on cooldown, cast Mind Flayâ€." |
| 16:48.41 | RaydenU | http://shadowpriest.com/viewtopic.php?t=5209 |
| 16:48.44 | EvilJohn | VE |
| 16:48.57 | RaydenU | "our cooldowns do not overlap in a way that allows a set sequence" |
| 16:48.59 | FinalX | exactly, which is a cycle, and you can track when to recast VT/sw:pain with DoTimers quite easily (put the little eye beneath the mob frame :p) |
| 16:49.18 | xyu | Do you interrupt mindflay to cast a MB or SW:D? ^_^ |
| 16:49.19 | RaydenU | cycle != priority |
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| 16:49.31 | RaydenU | xyu if you really really want to maximize dps |
| 16:49.33 | xyu | just a curiosity question |
| 16:49.34 | FinalX | Not having a "set rotation" does not equal having "no rotation", it's quite set for most fights. |
| 16:49.34 | RaydenU | i never do |
| 16:49.42 | EvilJohn | I don't interrupt |
| 16:49.51 | EvilJohn | the mana's been spent, I let it go |
| 16:49.56 | xyu | i do unless i know mana will be a prob |
| 16:50.00 | FinalX | xyu: I don't, I know how to time them very well. Played a Shadowpriest for 2.5 years now. |
| 16:50.01 | RaydenU | there is no cyclical rotation |
| 16:50.05 | elusif | when i scan with auctioneer classic it has started displaying the estimated time as how long left until it scans one individual branch of the ah rather than the entire ah like it used to |
| 16:50.10 | elusif | how can i fix this please? |
| 16:50.15 | FinalX | I never interrupt a spell for another, main source of dps comes from dots. |
| 16:50.23 | RaydenU | unlike other classes you do'nt fire off 5 spells and repeat |
| 16:50.23 | [Liq] | Maximum DPS as a Shadow Priest is understanding the fight and the value of your mana. No argue about that. |
| 16:50.35 | RaydenU | but you all are forgetting what spriests are |
| 16:50.37 | RaydenU | we aren't dps |
| 16:50.39 | RaydenU | we are mana batteries |
| 16:50.43 | FinalX | And any person focussing on anything other than spelldmg for a pve'ing shadowpriest that won't be hit in raids, should be shot :p |
| 16:50.50 | SunTsu | elusif: Maybe you might want to ask on #norganna |
| 16:50.51 | EvilJohn | the two are tightly coupled |
| 16:50.53 | [Liq] | That depends on what level your guild plays on RaydenU. |
| 16:50.53 | RaydenU | if your VT runs out it *may* be useful to cancel MF in order to put it up again |
| 16:51.06 | RaydenU | if you aren't raiding then this discussion is worthless anyways |
| 16:51.07 | FinalX | RaydenU: being a mana battery is something you can only be if you efficiently dps and efficiently keep your VT cycle up |
| 16:51.10 | [Liq] | That is waste of mana/dps RaydenU. |
| 16:51.19 | RaydenU | liq for you, not for the healers in your party |
| 16:51.20 | FinalX | You need to recast VT when the remaining time on VT drops below 2 secs. |
| 16:51.24 | RaydenU | it's more important for them to have mana than for you |
| 16:51.30 | FinalX | Not when it has expired, etc. |
| 16:51.37 | EvilJohn | if your VT drops before you MF runs out, you've already made a mistake. |
| 16:51.42 | RaydenU | true |
| 16:51.43 | genetik | no |
| 16:51.44 | xyu | yep |
| 16:51.44 | RaydenU | but mistakes happen |
| 16:51.53 | [Liq] | RaydenU, yes it is. You don't interrupt casted/channeled spells lower than 1.5 sec for another VT. |
| 16:51.53 | genetik | as long as the cast begins before VT runs out, the mana is returned |
| 16:52.01 | RaydenU | yeah but MF is 3 seconds |
| 16:52.02 | FinalX | Ehm, spriest running out of mana = party having a huge drop in mana regeneration. |
| 16:52.05 | genetik | doesn't matter |
| 16:52.08 | FinalX | genetik: exactly |
| 16:52.10 | genetik | you'll still get the full return |
| 16:52.14 | genetik | for all ticks |
| 16:52.19 | genetik | even if VT drops off halfway through |
| 16:52.25 | RaydenU | yeah but you don't get mana ticks for VT or SWP do you? |
| 16:52.26 | FinalX | uh no |
| 16:52.30 | RaydenU | well VT cause it's not up |
| 16:52.31 | [Liq] | FinalX, that's why the main goal for a SP is to undersdtand his own mana pool vs the fight. |
| 16:52.32 | FinalX | RaydenU: no |
| 16:52.49 | RaydenU | but does SWP return mana IFF VT was up when you cast SWP? |
| 16:53.04 | RaydenU | SWP -> VT => no mana from SWP? |
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| 16:53.17 | FinalX | [Liq]: and lots of people don't seem to understand that spelldmg is your main goal as a shadowpriest, even more important than int, as i'm now at a point where pretty much every spell returns nearly as much as it costs etc |
| 16:53.22 | RaydenU | that doesn't make sense at all |
| 16:53.34 | RaydenU | i have so little mana :( |
| 16:53.38 | EvilJohn | dots are different |
| 16:53.39 | [Liq] | Take Al'ar as an example where you get to go all you like. You can use everything possible with no spell interruptions as long as you pot a mana potion each 40%. (depending on your pool and SD) |
| 16:53.39 | FinalX | RaydenU: sw:pain does NOT return mana when VT disappears while the dot is still up. |
| 16:53.49 | RaydenU | ok that's what i thought |
| 16:53.51 | EvilJohn | it's a very different mechanic |
| 16:54.18 | EvilJohn | but there's no way in hell I'll cast a MF if i see VT is going to fall off my target, unless the mob is almost dead, anyway |
| 16:54.27 | RaydenU | yeah |
| 16:54.43 | [Liq] | EvilElvis, it depends on the time left of VT |
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| 16:54.45 | RaydenU | i'm watching my dot timers more now and if VT is going to run out in the next 4.5 seconds i don't cast MF |
| 16:54.58 | RaydenU | means i spend more time sitting though |
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| 16:55.02 | CIA-9 | QuestTranslator2 |
| 16:55.02 | CIA-9 | Fixed <<<<name>>> in untranslated quests |
| 16:55.02 | [Liq] | You can do that RaydenU. |
| 16:55.15 | RaydenU | it's worth it on long boss fights though |
| 16:55.18 | RaydenU | imo |
| 16:55.21 | [Liq] | Since you can start casting VT at the 2nd last tick of MF without losing the last tick |
| 16:55.29 | FinalX | [Liq]: that's why you have DoTimers below your target, with 6s on VT left, you can easily cast a MF, if it's < 6, you shouldn't imho |
| 16:55.32 | RaydenU | what? |
| 16:55.39 | FinalX | eh no you can't |
| 16:55.42 | [Liq] | Oc you can do it < 6 |
| 16:55.54 | RaydenU | 4.5 is where the cutoff is for MF |
| 16:55.55 | FinalX | you'd lose the last tick(s) of mf. |
| 16:55.58 | RaydenU | assuming no lag |
| 16:56.03 | RaydenU | the last tick of MF is when it ends |
| 16:56.07 | RaydenU | it is very easy to drop it |
| 16:56.08 | FinalX | indeed. |
| 16:56.11 | [Liq] | VT at 6.. you cast MF, VT again with a SWD instant |
| 16:56.13 | EvilJohn | no, you don't lose the tirck |
| 16:56.14 | EvilJohn | tick |
| 16:56.23 | RaydenU | eviljohn source on that? |
| 16:56.32 | [Liq] | RaydenU, experience? |
| 16:56.35 | FinalX | EvilJohn: You *do* lose the last tick as it ticks at the right end. Seriously, RaydenU is right there. |
| 16:56.47 | [Liq] | FinalX, no it doesn't. |
| 16:57.02 | [Liq] | Or yes it does, but it does during your next cast. |
| 16:57.04 | FinalX | Eh yeah, it does :) |
| 16:57.08 | EvilJohn | okay, sounds like some wws hutning is in order |
| 16:57.15 | [Liq] | Apparently |
| 16:57.16 | EvilJohn | but anyway |
| 16:57.17 | FinalX | It doesn't tick if you're not channeling, so it can't :) |
| 16:57.17 | RaydenU | everything i've ever read on mind flay says you have to wait to let it finish the 3rd tick |
| 16:57.26 | [Liq] | RaydenU, not true |
| 16:57.44 | RaydenU | then please provide an authoritative source arguing otherwise |
| 16:57.46 | [Liq] | go practise on Dr Boom or w/e the goblin is called |
| 16:57.56 | [Liq] | Your game is your f'ing source |
| 16:58.10 | RaydenU | personal experience != proof |
| 16:58.14 | [Liq] | Test it and see it for yourself |
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| 16:59.08 | RaydenU | why do you think people stress over nochanneling MF? |
| 16:59.14 | RaydenU | http://shadowpriest.com/viewtopic.php?t=9849 |
| 16:59.20 | kadrahil | The Daily Quest limit has been increased to 25. |
| 16:59.22 | kadrahil | oh snap |
| 16:59.26 | [Liq] | old |
| 16:59.28 | kadrahil | i know |
| 16:59.34 | EvilJohn | I just wish it wasn't 24 yards |
| 16:59.36 | kadrahil | i'm just now updating my ptr client over a few patches |
| 16:59.36 | xyu | (and not a good thing) i have trouble doing 10! |
| 16:59.45 | RaydenU | i have trouble doing 1 these days |
| 16:59.56 | kadrahil | i <3 dailies on an epic flyer |
| 16:59.56 | RaydenU | "I use nochannelling in a macro on all of my spells to protect mindflay, specifically the last tick. |
| 16:59.57 | RaydenU | " |
| 17:00.03 | RaydenU | "It's very hard to keep a target constantly snared with MF, without cutting off the third tick at least. " |
| 17:00.11 | RaydenU | "If you are wanting to maximise the DPM of mindflay then do stress about cutting it off early. " |
| 17:00.22 | RaydenU | "From a dps standpoint. If you can cast a higher priority spell right after the 2nd tick than you will increase dps, but at the cost of dpm. " |
| 17:00.23 | [Liq] | RaydenU, then that player is bad at his playing. |
| 17:00.31 | RaydenU | the entire shadowpriest.com board is wrong? |
| 17:00.36 | [Liq] | Keeping a Mind Flay 100% on your target is doable without losing ticks. |
| 17:00.40 | RaydenU | i don't see anyone on there arguing your side |
| 17:00.43 | [Liq] | I'm sorry, but not everyone masters this. |
| 17:00.55 | xyu | it is easy to test , no? |
| 17:00.57 | RaydenU | no but i'm pretty sure a forum dedicated to shadowpriest theorycraft would get ti right |
| 17:01.02 | kadrahil | xyu: dr. boom |
| 17:01.06 | [Liq] | Don't you think I'm a part of the boards? |
| 17:01.10 | [Liq] | Been there for months. |
| 17:01.18 | RaydenU | then please provide a counterexample |
| 17:01.28 | Matrix110| | btw |
| 17:01.32 | Matrix110| | kgpanels=eepanels alike? |
| 17:01.36 | Matrix110| | (cba to test) |
| 17:02.04 | Matrix110| | hmm nvm |
| 17:02.08 | Matrix110| | shouldve opened the thread:P |
| 17:02.16 | RaydenU | elitisk jerks doesn't have a search? |
| 17:02.41 | Elsia | only if you are registered |
| 17:02.48 | Elsia | which is kinda dumb actually |
| 17:02.59 | Matrix110| | well it saves quite some traffic |
| 17:03.08 | Matrix110| | many ppl cba to register for searching |
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| 17:03.15 | RaydenU | at a high cost of usability |
| 17:03.19 | Grum | finally .. the bastard is rebuilding |
| 17:03.20 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:02] <RaydenU> elitisk jerks doesn't have a search? <--yes it does: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aelitistjerks.com |
| 17:03.21 | RaydenU | good thing we have bugmenot |
| 17:03.23 | sag_ich_nicht | oh snap |
| 17:03.25 | [Liq] | Well RaydenU, just because you don't (seemly) have the skills to play with your Mind Flay doesn't mean you're right. Those comments are made from the same people with your experience. I master my Mind Flay perfectly and doing great, so I'll leave it here and let you find out for yourself some day :-) HF |
| 17:03.27 | Elsia | basically too many people register because of it ;) |
| 17:03.37 | sag_ich_nicht | people just need to lern2google |
| 17:03.48 | [SW]Dodge | brb, pluggin tv card ^. |
| 17:03.52 | [Liq] | heh sag_ich_nicht |
| 17:04.05 | RaydenU | liq and yet you fail to provide any proof |
| 17:04.12 | RaydenU | all you keep saying is "i'm uber at this game and you are nub" |
| 17:04.21 | RaydenU | which oddly enough fails to convince me |
| 17:04.55 | [Liq] | It's okay RaydenU, let it be and play it your way. Not telling you otherwise :) |
| 17:05.09 | RaydenU | is there a mod that tells you when MF fails to tick 3 times? |
| 17:05.20 | [Liq] | Your eyes |
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| 17:06.07 | RaydenU | over the 3 seconds when do you say MF ticks? |
| 17:06.10 | RaydenU | 0, 1, 2? |
| 17:06.28 | [Liq] | 1-2-3 |
| 17:06.46 | [Liq] | or it would be instant damage (lolkek) |
| 17:06.48 | RaydenU | so how does that correspond to stopping channeling before 3? |
| 17:06.59 | [Liq] | Server vs Client |
| 17:07.13 | RaydenU | i already account for that with quartz |
| 17:07.27 | RaydenU | lag is a different issue |
| 17:07.58 | RaydenU | hmm another page saying dont' cancel channeling... |
| 17:08.47 | [Liq] | As I said, don't stop your MF to recast VT. Does not help anyone. |
| 17:09.52 | RaydenU | The last tick still occurs 3 seconds after the server receives the command to start channeling, so client-side Quartz can still be used to start casting a new spell once the red latency part of the castbar is reached. The risk of cutting off the last tick or wasting some extra time was there before the fix and it will remain a risk until conditionals are checked server side if that ever happens. |
| 17:10.05 | [Liq] | Cancelling your MF or any other channeled spell at <0.5 wont have any effect. You still get the tick. |
| 17:10.21 | RaydenU | why? |
| 17:10.26 | RaydenU | you just said it happens at t=3.0 |
| 17:10.33 | RaydenU | why can you cancel at 5=2.5? |
| 17:10.35 | RaydenU | t=2.5 |
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| 17:10.46 | [Liq] | Read yor own freakin quote ffs |
| 17:10.50 | [Liq] | gawd |
| 17:10.57 | RaydenU | " The last tick still occurs 3 seconds after the server receives the command to start channeling," |
| 17:10.58 | RaydenU | uh |
| 17:11.10 | [Liq] | im ignoring you now... |
| 17:11.14 | Thalie | ~sleep |
| 17:11.14 | purl | well, sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 17:11.17 | RaydenU | if you are referring to the lag are you assuming lag for every person on the planet is 0.5 seconds? |
| 17:11.23 | RaydenU | liq you don't explain anything! |
| 17:11.29 | RaydenU | you just keep stating you are right |
| 17:11.42 | RaydenU | if you can explain WHY you can cancel early then maybe you'd convince me |
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| 17:12.04 | Thalie | and convincing you is obviously really high on the priority list |
| 17:12.18 | [Liq] | Thalie, is he still talking? :) |
| 17:12.22 | Thalie | yeah |
| 17:12.27 | RaydenU | it just bugs me when people fail to argue and just insult people |
| 17:12.33 | Thalie | QQ |
| 17:12.44 | RaydenU | heh, i almost did the same thing just now :P |
| 17:12.59 | RaydenU | is this a bad place to discuss theory craft? |
| 17:13.24 | RaydenU | last i checked the scientific method was still a good thing |
| 17:13.38 | RaydenU | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method |
| 17:13.49 | Thalie | this is primarily a channel for ace mods and their developers, not for discussing and arguing over theorycraft |
| 17:13.57 | Thalie | but hey, its not my channel |
| 17:14.16 | RaydenU | in my experience there is a lot of good theory craft in here |
| 17:14.28 | RaydenU | i'm not even sure what he was arguing as he never explained anything |
| 17:15.10 | ckknight | as an op, argue away, as long as it's interesting |
| 17:15.18 | ckknight | and doesn't turn into a flamewar |
| 17:15.32 | RaydenU | i'm not sure we managed to communicate |
| 17:15.35 | ckknight | it's wow-related and addon-related, so we're all good |
| 17:15.35 | RaydenU | but we didn't flame :P |
| 17:15.39 | Thalie | fwiw i think when one person ignores the other its time to stop ;) |
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| 17:19.52 | Grum | wts 500gb paperweight :D |
| 17:20.15 | ckknight | Gib or GiB? |
| 17:20.42 | Grum | GiB |
| 17:21.32 | Grum | meh |
| 17:21.41 | Grum | i hate hardware, especially when it breaks :D |
| 17:23.14 | ag` | http://www.wowwiki.com/Theorycraft |
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| 17:42.58 | sylvanaar_work | you know 1TB drives are now the lowest GB/$ of drives over 160GB in size |
| 17:43.38 | nevcairiel | been like that for a while |
| 17:44.11 | Fisker- | not where i live QQ |
| 17:44.13 | sylvanaar_work | hm? how long is a while? month or so? |
| 17:44.23 | NeoTron | so last night one of our holy priests passed out behind the week so to speak forcing us to 24-man shahraz |
| 17:44.51 | break19 | ag`: you around? |
| 17:45.47 | Fisker- | 50% more expensive here to buy a 1TB HDD vs. 2 500GB HDDs |
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| 17:46.01 | sylvanaar_work | wow |
| 17:46.45 | NeoTron | Fisker-: economics of scale |
| 17:46.48 | NeoTron | or something |
| 17:46.54 | Fisker- | ? |
| 17:46.55 | sylvanaar_work | in Jan 500 was still cheaper than 750 / 1TB, im looking at replacing 3 250's with 1 1TB |
| 17:47.27 | Fisker- | man i read that one wrong |
| 17:47.37 | Fisker- | thought you said 500GB hdds were cheaper in january 500 |
| 17:47.38 | Fisker- | :D |
| 17:47.50 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, i left out some letters |
| 17:48.51 | Fisker- | if only i made some good money |
| 17:49.00 | Fisker- | i have some old shitty 160GB and 320GB's |
| 17:49.02 | Fisker- | and a 500GB |
| 17:49.19 | NeoTron | kergoth: Greg Gilbert (treke) passed away yesterday |
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| 17:50.10 | Pkekyo| | happy birthday to meee damnit |
| 17:50.23 | Josh_Borke | happy bday |
| 17:50.34 | Pkekyo| | yay, attentionwhore got attention x) |
| 17:50.36 | break19 | Fisker-: "old shitty 160gb" please.. I have a 60GB in my system... |
| 17:50.55 | Fisker- | get a new one |
| 17:51.07 | break19 | 1.5"ers are too expensive. lol |
| 17:51.08 | Pkekyo| | I'm guilty of having a 120gb...it makes me feel dirty :/ |
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| 17:51.13 | Fisker- | infact i'd throw you a couple of 120 and 80 gigs if you visited me |
| 17:51.16 | Fisker- | oh |
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| 17:51.27 | Fisker- | what do you need a 1,5" drive for |
| 17:51.27 | Fisker- | ? |
| 17:51.36 | sylvanaar_work | laptop? |
| 17:51.36 | break19 | because thats all that fits in my laptop :) |
| 17:51.42 | Fisker- | those are 2.5" |
| 17:51.50 | sylvanaar_work | they can be either size |
| 17:52.06 | Fisker- | btw |
| 17:52.10 | Fisker- | 1.5" doesn't exist |
| 17:52.11 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 17:52.14 | Fisker- | it's either 1.8 or 1.3 |
| 17:52.39 | break19 | oh, 2.5 then |
| 17:53.26 | Grum | <sylvanaar_work> you know 1TB drives are now the lowest GB/$ of drives over 160GB in size <-- not where i live :( |
| 17:53.28 | break19 | really tho.. before I upgrade this laptop (other than more RAM), I'd replace it.. its an '05 model. |
| 17:53.50 | sylvanaar_work | Grum they dont have mail order where you live? |
| 17:54.04 | break19 | and, adding more ram to it, isnt all that good of an idea either.. |
| 17:54.28 | Fisker- | sylvanaar what would mail order do? |
| 17:54.41 | Fisker- | Then you'd just be paying taxes instead |
| 17:54.59 | Elkano | hmm... who's responsable for MountUp? |
| 17:54.59 | sylvanaar_work | oh you have to pay import tax? |
| 17:55.08 | Fisker- | and VAT |
| 17:55.21 | Fisker- | i don't know what it is for netherlands but it's 25% for us |
| 17:55.30 | Grum | 1tb WD = 186,83, 500gb = 80,69 |
| 17:55.53 | break19 | I'm already at 1gb, the max is 1.5gb, and to get that, I'd have to replace the single 512M I already have, with a 1GB. |
| 17:55.57 | Grum | 750gb 121,- |
| 17:56.17 | Grum | 750g would be doable |
| 17:56.18 | sylvanaar_work | the 750 is lowest then for you |
| 17:56.24 | Grum | but i cant replace a single disk |
| 17:56.33 | Grum | i need to replace 8 and get another controler |
| 17:56.41 | sylvanaar_work | or the same i guess |
| 17:56.56 | sylvanaar_work | 8? |
| 17:56.58 | break19 | my laptop has 1 slot: DDR PC2700, it's got another 512M hardwired onto the system board. |
| 17:57.00 | Grum | 8 |
| 17:57.08 | sylvanaar_work | raid-5? 10? |
| 17:57.08 | Grum | got a 8 disk raid5 |
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| 17:57.17 | Fisker- | WANT |
| 17:57.20 | sylvanaar_work | 50? |
| 17:57.28 | break19 | no fair.. |
| 17:57.46 | Grum | no, RAID5, so 3.5TiB space |
| 17:58.03 | break19 | closest I've gotten to play with a raid5, was when my cousin ssh'd to his work system and let me play around with it.. |
| 17:58.10 | sylvanaar_work | i personally dont like raid anymore, the single disks are plenty fast for me |
| 17:58.16 | Grum | sure they are |
| 17:58.23 | Grum | but i wanted a big disk |
| 17:58.24 | break19 | which was cool actually.. Now I can say I've played with one of NASA's systems. *grin* |
| 17:58.37 | Fisker- | i like big disks too! |
| 17:58.39 | Grum | its for my 'archive' - thus multiple small disks was not an option |
| 17:59.02 | Grum | also raid5 gives you 'that tad' of resillience over just 8 disks |
| 17:59.24 | sylvanaar_work | yeah - i suppose |
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| 17:59.44 | break19 | he's an admin in huntsville, al.. and made me a limited guest account.. I used to have it running seti@home.. a long time ago. heh |
| 17:59.52 | Grum | also if i had 8x500gb in my box then i would have lost 500gb of data |
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| 17:59.54 | Grum | i lost nothing now |
| 18:00.17 | sylvanaar_work | why is that? |
| 18:00.43 | Grum | well, one disk just died, if i hadnt got that one in a raid5 it would just have been data lost |
| 18:01.23 | Fisker- | Doesn't raid5 store parity information? |
| 18:01.26 | sylvanaar_work | oh, well - you can recover a bad single disk vs an array failure which |
| 18:01.51 | sylvanaar_work | ,,can be unrecoverable |
| 18:02.01 | break19 | grum, just because it's in your box doesnt mean it cant be a raid5 as well. :) |
| 18:02.23 | Grum | break19: sylvanaar is talking about 8x500 not in a raid |
| 18:02.31 | sylvanaar_work | jbod |
| 18:02.44 | Grum | jbod .. lol that would have been 4tb of lost data |
| 18:03.03 | sylvanaar_work | no it wouldnt |
| 18:03.05 | Grum | and OMG <3 <3 <3 alchemyst stones |
| 18:03.21 | break19 | I used to have a 3 disk software raid inside my home server box.. but since they werent all the same size, I had a raid0 config.. |
| 18:03.44 | Grum | break19: 3 disk raid0? scary, also that just does: 3x smallest disk as size |
| 18:03.53 | Grum | afaik |
| 18:04.08 | Grum | oir humz no, striped .. so jbod :P |
| 18:04.20 | break19 | grum: which ever raid is the striping one.. it basically concat'd the drives into a big drive.. |
| 18:04.32 | sylvanaar_work | jbod isnt striped - its spanned |
| 18:04.32 | Grum | yeah, jbod (just a bunch of disks) |
| 18:04.47 | Grum | sylvanaar: i dont want to loose data when a disk dies |
| 18:04.51 | Grum | its a pain to get some of the stuff again |
| 18:04.52 | MoonWitch | ewww raids |
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| 18:05.10 | MoonWitch | god I had nightmares of them when I had that topic in HW class |
| 18:05.12 | sylvanaar_work | yeah - i had too much bad luck with raid - im biased. |
| 18:05.13 | break19 | mine was striped across the three. it'd write to all three disks... |
| 18:05.21 | break19 | at once, striping it as it went, etc. |
| 18:05.31 | sylvanaar_work | tahts raid-0 |
| 18:05.40 | break19 | ya, then thats what mine was. |
| 18:05.43 | MoonWitch | other then safety of data ... is there actually a perf increase? |
| 18:06.04 | Gnarfoz | with good controllers, yes |
| 18:06.10 | MoonWitch | nice |
| 18:06.16 | break19 | raid0 is no data safety, but it is a performance increase, IF the drives are all on separate controllers. (or a smart controller) |
| 18:06.18 | MoonWitch | perhaps I should look into it again |
| 18:06.46 | Grum | well, my write speed is a bit lower because of having 8 disk in a raid5 but readspeeds are definately better |
| 18:06.48 | MoonWitch | wasn't specifically thinking of any raid type, lol I can't remember for the life of me which one does what |
| 18:07.03 | Gnarfoz | raid0 is only for the insane, obviously, all other raid levels *can* increase performance at least for reading, some of them for writing, too |
| 18:07.22 | break19 | moon: think of it this way.. you write a 4meg file onto your hard drive.. with a 2disk raid0, it writes 2M on one, 2M one the other.. at the exact same time, thereby doubling your thruput. (yes, its a simplified explanation, but you get the point) |
| 18:07.24 | kenlyric | there's a product out there with 4 bays that let's you use any size drive and pretty smartly raid-5s them |
| 18:07.36 | break19 | Gnarfoz: this was just a home server.. :) |
| 18:07.40 | kenlyric | but I can't remember the name now. |
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| 18:08.08 | MoonWitch | lemme grab my book lol and read it again >.< it's been since 2002 |
| 18:08.11 | break19 | I wasnt concerned at -all- about losing any data on it, it was basically just used a router, and something to play with. |
| 18:08.37 | break19 | but.. salt-water got into the drives and all over the motherboard.. and I dont know where it is now |
| 18:08.45 | kenlyric | http://www.drobo.com/ |
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| 18:08.56 | Gnarfoz | how the... how does salt water get into a computer oO |
| 18:09.15 | break19 | Gnarfoz: when hurricane storm surges rip your house to shreds.. |
| 18:09.37 | Gnarfoz | well, don't build houses out of wood, then! :D |
| 18:10.01 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 18:10.09 | break19 | rofl.. dude.. unless you build it underground, that wall of water is going to take it down... |
| 18:10.17 | kagaro | MoonWitch: have you tried kgPanels? |
| 18:10.32 | MoonWitch | kagaro. not yet .. I'll grab it now though .. |
| 18:10.43 | MoonWitch | it works on the live too righ? |
| 18:10.53 | kagaro | yup |
| 18:10.58 | MoonWitch | cool |
| 18:11.00 | break19 | you can either lift it above the surge, with pilings of either wood, rebarred concrete, etc... or build underground.. which isnt exactly feasible since the water table was like.. 2ft down where I lived.. |
| 18:11.32 | sylvanaar_work | hum, im bored, and this code my coworker wrote is giving me a major headache |
| 18:11.44 | sylvanaar_work | lrn2terminateyourstrings |
| 18:11.44 | MoonWitch | pastey it sylv lol |
| 18:12.01 | break19 | and if you build it on top of pilings, unless you have money coming out your ass when you sneeze, you want light, yet wind resistant.. and wood flexes with wind a lot better than steel of similar weight |
| 18:12.34 | kagaro | sylvanaar: i run 2 raid 5 arays (5 drives earch) with 2 spares, then lvm on top of that with striping |
| 18:12.34 | MoonWitch | ya know, the Rock/Ace3 framework topic about changes in WAU and all .. one thing, if I hadn't gotten my noob butt into the forums, I would probably never gotten to write any lua myself. |
| 18:12.54 | MoonWitch | are yallz related to bill gates qua riches or something lol |
| 18:13.11 | break19 | plus, there were steel and concrete buildings along the MS coastline that were levelled.. so you can say "dont build with wood" but it didnt matter what it was built with.. it was gone. |
| 18:13.12 | kagaro | I run a 4 TB san at home |
| 18:13.27 | kagaro | but my home is also my office for work |
| 18:13.31 | kagaro | 3 days a week |
| 18:14.00 | MoonWitch | what do ya do? |
| 18:14.07 | kagaro | engineer |
| 18:14.15 | MoonWitch | ok that explains it lol |
| 18:14.35 | MoonWitch | I just co-raise my sister and am a housewife currently (NOT by choice) |
| 18:14.51 | MoonWitch | gonna pop into wow to check out the kgPanels |
| 18:14.57 | kagaro | the wife part or co-raise part |
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| 18:15.12 | ulic | got any nifty screen shots of kgPanels? |
| 18:15.16 | MoonWitch | both lol |
| 18:15.25 | colinshe | Anyone here know the values of resillience and stamina for a pvp healadin? |
| 18:15.30 | xyu | Anyone have that page where it lists all the servers and which dailies are for which server |
| 18:15.35 | kagaro | ulic: no i need to make some |
| 18:16.18 | dylanm | xyu: http://www.wowdailies.com/ |
| 18:16.34 | xyu | that's it, thanks |
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| 18:17.34 | MoonWitch | gah, does anyone know a nifty font for wow lol |
| 18:17.47 | MoonWitch | I got tired of mine, but can't seem to find a new nice one |
| 18:18.00 | colinshe | Futura |
| 18:18.29 | sylvanaar_work | http://headache.pastey.net/83116 |
| 18:18.54 | break19 | here's what I dont get.. people look at the pics from new orleans and see rising flood waters, and think thats what a hurricane does. no.. thats what RAIN does, the hurricane broke the pumps that new orleans uses to pump said rain water out of the city. A hurricane brings with it, a wall of water much like a tsunami..] |
| 18:18.55 | sylvanaar_work | i want to kill myself |
| 18:19.19 | break19 | but.. that wall of water isnt just a quick pass of water.. its an entire sea of water.. and it levels anything in it's path.. |
| 18:19.56 | break19 | New Orleans just happened to flood due to rains associated with the hurricane.. Alabama and Mississippi bore the full brunt of the storm, entire towns vanished. |
| 18:20.49 | MoonWitch | sylvanaar: you know what the scar thing is, while I don't quite know C, it's like - wtf? at some of the var names |
| 18:20.57 | MoonWitch | scary* |
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| 18:21.23 | sylvanaar_work | clearly the person who wrote it doesnt know C all that well |
| 18:22.25 | MoonWitch | I understand some off it, I did try some C++ for a while, but the course I was taking was so horribly written that even someone who knew c++ very well didn't get it. lol |
| 18:22.26 | Grum | lol |
| 18:22.32 | sylvanaar_work | while (*(work_str+idx+idx2) != '=') idx2++; <--- fail |
| 18:22.37 | Grum | for string parsing .. dont use C!!!!! |
| 18:22.42 | sylvanaar_work | no shit |
| 18:23.21 | sylvanaar_work | i work in a C shop though - im trying to pitch Lua, but its a tough sell |
| 18:23.24 | MoonWitch | well even I got that much lol |
| 18:23.33 | MoonWitch | lua seems very similar to c |
| 18:23.38 | Grum | lua humx |
| 18:23.38 | sylvanaar_work | it isnt |
| 18:23.39 | MoonWitch | which is normal considering what lua is |
| 18:23.49 | MoonWitch | well part of it seems that way |
| 18:23.58 | MoonWitch | but then again for me even php seems similar >.< |
| 18:24.02 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, the syntax is C syntax |
| 18:24.08 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 18:24.20 | MoonWitch | << not a programmer .. |
| 18:24.27 | MoonWitch | << but I pretend well at times |
| 18:24.45 | RaydenU | lua doesn't seem at all similar to C |
| 18:25.04 | RaydenU | i mean it's no lisp |
| 18:25.11 | RaydenU | but it's quite different from c |
| 18:25.21 | MoonWitch | no clue what lisp is, i've seen the term but meh |
| 18:25.28 | sylvanaar_work | Lua uses C syntax, and exposes some C standard library functions, but after that they are night and day |
| 18:25.30 | MoonWitch | to me, the syntax is similar |
| 18:25.42 | Grum | sylvanaar: what are you making? |
| 18:25.46 | MoonWitch | that's how far my knowledge goes |
| 18:25.53 | sylvanaar_work | a noose |
| 18:25.59 | Grum | can it smell? |
| 18:26.00 | RaydenU | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_%28programming_language%29 |
| 18:26.02 | break19 | lol |
| 18:26.11 | MoonWitch | the entire thing starting at 41 - the if else loop stuff seems odd |
| 18:26.15 | ckknight | yay lisp/ |
| 18:26.17 | ckknight | ? |
| 18:26.18 | sylvanaar_work | that's my coworker's code which I inherited |
| 18:26.57 | RaydenU | (defun factorial (n) (if (<= n 1) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1))))) <-- factorial on one line |
| 18:27.05 | Grum | while(work_str[idx] == ' ' || work_str[idx] == 9) idx++; <-- kekkkkkk |
| 18:27.18 | sylvanaar_work | LOOPS ftw |
| 18:27.57 | Elsia | hmm weird, whenever I hit esc in game I get switch to windows, can an addon do that? |
| 18:28.12 | sylvanaar_work | no |
| 18:28.14 | MoonWitch | hey, I am happy that I understand some of that code .. lol |
| 18:28.40 | sylvanaar_work | me too |
| 18:28.44 | RaydenU | lua doesn't use {} it doesn't require ; it doesn't handle strings the same way, it doesn't do && and || it doesn't do method/field syntax the same way |
| 18:28.59 | RaydenU | doesn't use {} for control structue |
| 18:29.01 | RaydenU | structure |
| 18:29.13 | MoonWitch | the ; threw me off for the longest time in lua |
| 18:29.18 | sylvanaar_work | yes, but the sytax is technically "C Like" |
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| 18:29.19 | MoonWitch | I kept on shoving it in there |
| 18:29.42 | MoonWitch | in school I had Object Pascal in Kylix |
| 18:30.02 | RaydenU | yeah they are still imperative language |
| 18:30.15 | RaydenU | compared to stuff like C# and Java it's not like c |
| 18:30.20 | RaydenU | but i guess comapred to python and ruby it is |
| 18:31.07 | break19 | compared to basic, its another planet entirely :P |
| 18:31.48 | RaydenU | i'd say VB is c like kind of how lua is c like |
| 18:32.11 | MoonWitch | ok let's pose a question to all you prog. guru's .. after some miniscule object pascal thing, i know some lua and some php ... which would lean best to those to learn |
| 18:32.28 | sylvanaar_work | it says it on the Lua website somewhere |
| 18:32.32 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 18:32.53 | RaydenU | what MoonWitch ? |
| 18:33.11 | RaydenU | in english please |
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| 18:33.41 | MoonWitch | well, I'd like to graduate .. |
| 18:33.51 | MoonWitch | they gave me the choice .. VB, C++ or C |
| 18:34.11 | MoonWitch | based on what I currently know, what would be "easiest" to switch to |
| 18:34.13 | RaydenU | who did? |
| 18:34.14 | RaydenU | and to what? |
| 18:34.32 | kagaro | I would choose C++ in that last myself |
| 18:34.35 | RaydenU | do c++ over c |
| 18:34.38 | NightHawkTheSane | MoonWitch: C, but the question is moot, languages are merely context and fully interchangable |
| 18:34.45 | RaydenU | and VB is for non technical programmers |
| 18:34.55 | RaydenU | :/ |
| 18:35.01 | RaydenU | programming snobs don't like vb |
| 18:35.03 | NightHawkTheSane | any reasonably competent programmer can learn any language with a minimal of difficulty |
| 18:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | RaydenU: competent people don't like vb. |
| 18:35.25 | ckknight | VB has its perks |
| 18:35.31 | sylvanaar_work | lol, vb programming pays well though |
| 18:35.33 | RaydenU | if you've never done pointers then c++ is hard |
| 18:35.38 | MoonWitch | Night, there's the key, I am not a programmer .. or don't think of myself as one. I merely dabble in things. |
| 18:35.42 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar_work: indeed, which is why I do it. >< |
| 18:36.00 | RaydenU | C# make more than VB.Net do |
| 18:36.02 | ckknight | (note, I'm talking about VB.NET, not VB6) |
| 18:36.04 | RaydenU | even though it's the "same" |
| 18:36.11 | ckknight | it's not, RaydenU |
| 18:36.19 | RaydenU | it compiles to the same code |
| 18:36.20 | ckknight | different ways of thinking |
| 18:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | its not the same, C# is significantly more powerful |
| 18:36.26 | Chompers | only pros use vb6 |
| 18:36.39 | MoonWitch | C# isn't allowed, I asked. which is gay |
| 18:36.45 | RaydenU | who is this for? |
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| 18:36.55 | ckknight | it was much closer with .NET 1.0 and 1.1, they've diverged somewhat in 3.5 especially |
| 18:36.56 | MoonWitch | for school |
| 18:36.59 | Grum | C# is significantly more powerful <- lol |
| 18:37.07 | Grum | any code is as powerful as the machine you run it on |
| 18:37.07 | RaydenU | for what? |
| 18:37.09 | RaydenU | a project? |
| 18:37.11 | MoonWitch | for the Belgian Exam boards .. |
| 18:37.20 | ckknight | MoonWitch: check to see if it's VB6 or VB.NET |
| 18:37.21 | RaydenU | Grum false |
| 18:37.28 | RaydenU | languages have limitations |
| 18:37.30 | ckknight | MoonWitch: in any event, I'd go with C++ anyway |
| 18:37.42 | RaydenU | c++ will be harder to learn than VB |
| 18:37.43 | kagaro | do C++ serously moonwitch |
| 18:37.49 | MoonWitch | for me getting a diploma, since I never graduated, I quit a long time ago due to bullies (in the long run, they won lol) |
| 18:37.56 | RaydenU | for me c++ is useful and VB not at all |
| 18:38.04 | Grum | RaydenU: if you pick a language that can not do what you want you can not call something else more powerful at a job, if the first one cant do it O.o |
| 18:38.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Grum: er.. no. there are a number of things you can do in C# that you -cannot- do in VB. |
| 18:38.32 | sylvanaar_work | C++ you learn in school does not accurately reflect the C++ in general use |
| 18:38.48 | Grum | then C# is not more powerful than VB, it can jsut do more. Pick the right tool for the right job (or language in this case) |
| 18:39.08 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: example? |
| 18:39.27 | MoonWitch | well the thing is .. you get a list of shit you gotta know how to do, how you learn it - is up to you. You don't get classes or books. You just get a list of what you have to know *in headers/titles even* to pass the exam. |
| 18:39.36 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: (I honestly can't think of one off the top of my head, been a while since .NET programming) |
| 18:39.41 | MoonWitch | assuming I pass all the exams, I graduate. |
| 18:39.47 | NightHawkTheSane | anonymous predicates >< |
| 18:40.35 | MoonWitch | the only thing that baffles me is that MySQL isn't on the list, but MS Access is .. |
| 18:41.01 | MoonWitch | and something about a Nasi-Schneider diagram or whatever lol |
| 18:41.48 | sylvanaar_work | i think im going to quit my job so I dont have to work with this code |
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| 18:42.20 | MoonWitch | awww |
| 18:42.29 | MoonWitch | poor sylv.. |
| 18:42.36 | MoonWitch | really ... I feel bad for you. |
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| 18:43.46 | sylvanaar_work | lol he never calls free() anywhere in the code. |
| 18:44.01 | Fisker- | :o? |
| 18:44.29 | RaydenU | i had so many memory leaks in my ray tracer |
| 18:44.40 | RaydenU | but i learned how to do things and found a leak detector |
| 18:44.42 | RaydenU | now i have 0 |
| 18:44.43 | RaydenU | :( |
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| 18:44.49 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot: |
| 18:44.49 | CIA-9 | - WishList improved: Now having unlimited spaces with subheadings and paging! |
| 18:45.10 | RaydenU | MS Access? |
| 18:45.12 | RaydenU | that's not a real db |
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| 18:46.45 | MoonWitch | RaydenU: I know ... |
| 18:47.00 | MoonWitch | And I cried when I saw it in the list of "gotta know this as database" |
| 18:47.39 | sylvanaar_work | MS Access supports SQL queries, and its easy to learn + it has a user interface |
| 18:49.10 | MoonWitch | true.. though I prefer MySQL .. |
| 18:50.20 | Maldivia | access 2007 is a bitch to work with though |
| 18:50.51 | Maldivia | have to jump through hoops and loops to get to the various dialogs/windows |
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| 18:51.33 | sylvanaar_work | i havent used 2007 - i didnt buy the version of office 2007 that comes with access |
| 18:52.19 | Maldivia | was forced to use it at work, as I had to get some data out of a acces 2k7 file for a client |
| 18:52.44 | sylvanaar_work | they use that new Ribbon based interface everywhere but Outlook - takes some getting used too |
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| 18:53.36 | Maldivia | getting the window where you can enter sql queries is somewhat tricky |
| 18:54.30 | kagaro | ulic: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/KgPanels |
| 18:54.42 | kagaro | I put some screenshots links in the entry |
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| 19:00.30 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 19:00.30 | CIA-9 | -frFR update!! OUI! |
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| 19:01.20 | Vanesco | Hi guys, Anyone know if it's easy to add a 'view' to recount so it can show raid dps (different from individual dps) ? |
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| 19:01.45 | MoonWitch | I liked the ribbon.. but overall I don't use office a lot. |
| 19:01.55 | MoonWitch | well I am going out tonight, thanks for the insights :) |
| 19:03.21 | ulic | kagaro: oh cool, thanks for posting some. |
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| 19:08.27 | RaydenU | vanesco you can show real time raid dps graph |
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| 19:16.04 | Vanesco | RaydenU: Hmm.. where? :-x |
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| 19:20.02 | Kaelten | NeoTron: check yer email |
| 19:20.16 | Funkeh` | ulic, don't use spell IDs in bars that can trigger on < 2.4 |
| 19:21.54 | NeoTron | Kaelten: interestingly enough I was just about to. thanks |
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| 19:23.23 | NeoTron | I'm going to spend most of my "wow time" this weekend working on my addon, prhaps with some NRT hacking too |
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| 19:23.38 | NeoTron | the ppl I play my new horde alts with are gone for the weekend, which suits me perfectly :P |
| 19:24.53 | ckknight | ~ibot |
| 19:24.54 | purl | [ibot] a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 19:25.36 | Primer | Nandini: I see you posted to my forum thread regarding my request for Z axis data |
| 19:25.40 | Kivin | Anyone got an idea where Thrae got his armory parser? |
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| 19:26.22 | Snago | wtb addon that plays yakety sax for Supremus phase 2 |
| 19:28.25 | genetik | Snago: haha |
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| 19:34.22 | break19 | meh, stupid microwave.. the bowl my food is in, is too hot to handle, and food feels like it just come outta the fridge.. |
| 19:35.03 | sylvanaar_work | your bowl sucks |
| 19:35.07 | Kurax | eat bowl then |
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| 19:35.23 | Atriace | Sounds like you need flaming ice-cubes. |
| 19:36.08 | Atriace | Bah... I'm going to do something weird rather than constructive today. |
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| 19:37.40 | NeoTron | holy hell melee buff batman: *Flametongue Totem damage effects now also reduce healing done to the target by 50% and lasts 5 seconds. |
| 19:37.54 | NeoTron | so basically any team with melee + enhance shammy will have mortal strike |
| 19:37.56 | NeoTron | leet |
| 19:38.12 | NeoTron | except of course feral druids |
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| 19:41.12 | NightHawkTheSane | huh. t hey really are giving everyone MS. |
| 19:41.29 | Fisker- | holy shit |
| 19:41.39 | Fisker- | another laughable installment of the blizzcast |
| 19:42.09 | EvilJohn | how bad is it? |
| 19:42.13 | Fisker- | very bad |
| 19:42.22 | EvilJohn | the first one was pretty bad |
| 19:42.29 | EvilJohn | is this worse? is that possible? |
| 19:42.31 | Fisker- | It's possibly slightly better than the first one |
| 19:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | oooh, totem GCD reduced to 1s |
| 19:43.04 | Fisker- | All they talked about was magtheridon, and some class/spec QQ from paladins and rogues |
| 19:43.20 | NeoTron | ppl in my illidan farming guild wants to do magtheridon |
| 19:43.20 | EvilJohn | NightHawkTheSane: Source? |
| 19:43.27 | NeoTron | because he drops 25g and a 20 slot bag |
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| 19:43.39 | EvilJohn | yeah, that's a good change really |
| 19:43.46 | Fisker- | not really |
| 19:43.48 | NeoTron | to give you some background, this guild in the past one-shotted vashj and went and wiped on maghteridon 4 times before giving up |
| 19:43.49 | NightHawkTheSane | EvilElvis: reading it on mmo-champion |
| 19:43.57 | dafire | how many tokes gives a raidboss per person ? |
| 19:44.01 | dafire | tokens |
| 19:44.02 | NeoTron | we're pathetic at executing on magtheridon |
| 19:44.12 | Fisker- | there's 3 set tokens per boss |
| 19:44.20 | Fisker- | haha NeoTron |
| 19:44.24 | dafire | ehm.. i mean heroic badges .9 |
| 19:44.25 | Fisker- | reminds me of this guild on our server |
| 19:44.30 | EvilJohn | NightHawkTheSane: thankyou sir |
| 19:44.32 | Fisker- | i think magtheridon drops 3 as well |
| 19:44.35 | Fisker- | but it depends on the boss |
| 19:44.38 | Fisker- | generally it's more than 2 |
| 19:44.44 | Fisker- | But there's this guild on our server |
| 19:44.45 | dafire | ok thangs |
| 19:44.51 | Fisker- | I think they've gotten the 3rd or 4th MH boss |
| 19:44.56 | Fisker- | they can't take magtheridon :D |
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| 19:45.21 | dafire | we have illidan on farm but when we go to magtheridon always anybody fail .) |
| 19:45.22 | Fisker- | Of course they pretty much stopped caring after Kael'Thas |
| 19:45.24 | Fisker- | but still :P |
| 19:45.36 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: our guild has gone from one shotting kael one night to (and i mean immediately folloowing that kill, the same night), wiping twice on maulgar :P |
| 19:45.37 | Nandini | btw someone had asked on the U.S. UI forum if UnitGUID("unit") was on the PTR yet, and yes, it is on the US PTRs now |
| 19:46.10 | dafire | I'd still would like someone to ask in us forums for a function to log own data to the combatlok |
| 19:46.14 | dafire | log .9 |
| 19:46.37 | Xinhuan | Nandini, there's a new PTR build today? |
| 19:46.57 | Nandini | possibly last night, it was working for me last night and is still working now on US PvP PTR |
| 19:47.01 | dafire | there was one ealier with the new lifetab |
| 19:47.04 | Fisker- | COME ON |
| 19:47.07 | Fisker- | buff paladins please |
| 19:47.17 | Xinhuan | i'm gonna go take a look |
| 19:47.42 | Nandini | "0x0000000000594789" = UnitGUID("player") |
| 19:47.54 | Fisker- | Blizzard designers = Captain Oblivious |
| 19:48.06 | Xinhuan | lets see what my GUID is |
| 19:48.13 | Xinhuan | hmm gotta download 9 mb patch first |
| 19:48.17 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: that's the same level of win |
| 19:48.42 | Kurax | GUID wont change between logs? |
| 19:48.43 | NeoTron | Nandini: ah it is added |
| 19:48.48 | Fisker- | no Kurax |
| 19:48.57 | NeoTron | Kurax: player GUIDS's are permanent and (at least) battlegroup unique |
| 19:49.15 | Fisker- | just need someone to test character transfers and renames :P |
| 19:49.35 | Kurax | So, you can id someone by GUID guaranteed? |
| 19:49.43 | Nandini | if you can see them, yes |
| 19:49.54 | Nandini | i think they said it would persist through renames |
| 19:50.09 | ag` | pwnsauce |
| 19:50.23 | ag` | I will make an addon so if anyone get close to me they will trade me their gold |
| 19:51.01 | Xinhuan | wont' work |
| 19:51.07 | Xinhuan | trading is now a protected function |
| 19:51.14 | Fisker- | ownt |
| 19:51.17 | ag` | then an emote! |
| 19:51.19 | Nandini | yup can't automate handing out water |
| 19:51.28 | ag` | you feel like trading your gold to -- |
| 19:51.36 | Xinhuan | however, you can make everyone using your addon auto mail you 5000g |
| 19:51.42 | Xinhuan | on visiting the mailbox ;p |
| 19:51.42 | ag` | nice |
| 19:51.44 | Kurax | DropItemOnUnit protected now? |
| 19:51.49 | Xinhuan | no kurax |
| 19:51.58 | Xinhuan | "closing the deal" is protected |
| 19:52.07 | Xinhuan | aka the function that executes when you click the "TRADE" button |
| 19:52.09 | ag` | sad |
| 19:52.21 | Kurax | You can init one but cant finish one |
| 19:52.27 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 19:52.33 | Fisker- | you could always hide the money frame then :D |
| 19:52.38 | Fisker- | make it look like he didn't trade money |
| 19:52.39 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 19:52.56 | Nandini | lol yeah you trade them a stack of water, they think they are getting free water. heheh |
| 19:53.01 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 19:53.09 | Nandini | revenge of the mage! |
| 19:53.18 | ag` | lol |
| 19:54.01 | Nandini | imagine if you stood next to a Coke vending machine and it spit out a free can of Coke |
| 19:54.07 | Nandini | later you find out your wallet is missing |
| 19:55.04 | ag` | happens to me every weekend |
| 19:55.23 | Xinhuan | hehe my GUID is 57CEE5 on the ptr |
| 19:55.34 | Nandini | ag` i was talking about vending machines, not prostitutes |
| 19:56.07 | Nandini | are you on PvE or PvP Xinhuan? |
| 19:56.12 | Xinhuan | pvp |
| 19:56.14 | Kurax | Seems its not generated by some guid generator, just a sequence number |
| 19:56.16 | Xinhuan | i also copied to pve |
| 19:56.20 | Xinhuan | so both really |
| 19:56.33 | Xinhuan | kurax, we already confirmed its a incrementing counter |
| 19:56.37 | Nandini | you should check if it's the same on both just for kicks |
| 19:56.42 | Xinhuan | its proven by creating a lvl 1 |
| 19:56.49 | Xinhuan | then logging out and creating another level 1 |
| 19:57.01 | Xinhuan | the 2nd one will have a ID that is +1 or +2 from the first one |
| 19:57.06 | Thalie | ~wave |
| 19:57.06 | purl | ACTION waves goodbye. |
| 19:57.07 | *** part/#wowace Thalie (n=blah@63.250.141.74) |
| 19:57.09 | Xinhuan | assumably because of the char copying process |
| 19:57.19 | Xinhuan | which can insert other characters as you make yours |
| 19:57.27 | Lunos | Is there a way to retrieve the original coordinates of a note made with cartographer out of the ".lua"? (= not inGame) |
| 19:57.32 | Xinhuan | this is true even if you created the level 1s on different realms |
| 19:57.37 | Grum | Lunos: ofc |
| 19:57.38 | Xinhuan | lunos yes |
| 19:57.52 | Grum | there is a magic number, look up the 'GetXY' function in Cartographer_Notes |
| 19:58.10 | Lunos | k I'll try thanks |
| 19:58.12 | Kurax | Funny, now with 2.4, we finally can take all the dbs Blizz owned home |
| 19:58.16 | Xinhuan | x, y = (coord % 10001)/10000, floor(coord / 10001)/10000 |
| 19:59.56 | Kurax | Spell IDs the API returned are same with IDs in .dbc right? |
| 20:00.39 | Kurax | I mean the new combat log APIs |
| 20:01.07 | Grum | they are the same as on any wowdb |
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| 20:03.06 | Kurax | Interesting |
| 20:03.12 | NightHawkTheSane | "This glove is different than the other, maybe different gloves do different things." "How many are there?" "Two. They.. tend to come in pairs?" |
| 20:03.47 | Xinhuan | is that a conversation on a RP server? |
| 20:03.59 | NightHawkTheSane | .. no. |
| 20:04.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Torchwood. |
| 20:04.26 | Kurax | Where do you live, Xinhuan |
| 20:04.33 | Xinhuan | singapore |
| 20:04.46 | Kurax | Ah |
| 20:05.43 | Kurax | Well, in Chinese community, when people talking about you, they would say: is there anyone named Jiuai? |
| 20:06.30 | Kurax | Maybe you dont get it, hehe |
| 20:06.31 | Nandini | NPCs in the world all start with F130 it seems (on both realms) |
| 20:07.11 | Antiarc | Sup. |
| 20:07.12 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/hello.jpg |
| 20:07.30 | Elsia | heya anti |
| 20:07.38 | Grum | Antiarc: BoP? |
| 20:07.47 | Antiarc | :D |
| 20:07.50 | Elsia | grats |
| 20:07.55 | Grum | grats :D |
| 20:07.57 | ckknight | grats, Antiarc |
| 20:07.58 | Kurax | grats |
| 20:08.03 | Grum | whats the duedate? :D |
| 20:08.06 | Antiarc | Oct 13 |
| 20:08.10 | NightHawkTheSane | grats :) |
| 20:08.15 | Xinhuan | ~congratulate Antiarc |
| 20:08.16 | purl | ACTION congratulates Antiarc on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 20:08.21 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 20:08.23 | Elsia | :P |
| 20:08.28 | kadrahil | yay random ptr client crashes. |
| 20:08.29 | kadrahil | ugh |
| 20:08.31 | Xinhuan | $500 brick hehehehe |
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| 20:09.09 | Xinhuan | so uh who added the "hello mum and dad" in there ;p |
| 20:09.16 | Antiarc | The doctor :P |
| 20:09.17 | kadrahil | oh so like |
| 20:09.19 | kadrahil | if you die |
| 20:09.24 | kadrahil | and the client crashes before you release |
| 20:09.33 | kadrahil | when it logs back in you don't have the ability to release :O |
| 20:09.37 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm... http://gizmodo.com/360788/playstation-3-playtv-recordings-can-be-copied-anywhere |
| 20:10.16 | Xinhuan | lua> (48707830 % 10001)/10000, floor(48707830 / 10001)/10000 |
| 20:10.17 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'floor' (a nil value) |
| 20:10.22 | Xinhuan | lua> (48707830 % 10001)/10000, math.floor(48707830 / 10001)/10000 |
| 20:10.22 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 0.296, 0.487 |
| 20:10.36 | Kurax | There has an API named Repop something can bring up the release dialog |
| 20:10.48 | Xinhuan | kurax |
| 20:10.55 | Kurax | Yes? |
| 20:10.59 | Xinhuan | that API is to click "accept rez" ;p |
| 20:11.03 | Xinhuan | from ghost form |
| 20:11.10 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 20:11.17 | Xinhuan | /run RepopMe() |
| 20:11.22 | Xinhuan | try it anyway |
| 20:11.27 | kadrahil | ah that worked |
| 20:11.28 | kadrahil | thanks |
| 20:11.39 | Kurax | It works for both I think |
| 20:12.13 | CIA-9 | 03endeavour * r63169 10BossTalk/ (BossTalk.lua BossTalk.toc): BossTalk: fixed search function |
| 20:14.02 | Nandini | hmm the new UnitInRange("unit") only seems to work with friendly units |
| 20:14.37 | Xinhuan | sounds good enough to me Nandini |
| 20:14.43 | kadrahil | ok ptr not for me |
| 20:14.45 | kadrahil | i have 9 freaking fps |
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| 20:15.01 | Kurax | Why? crowed? |
| 20:15.01 | kadrahil | and lots of graphics issues otherwise |
| 20:15.04 | kadrahil | yeah |
| 20:15.18 | ckknight | Antiarc: what you gonna name it? |
| 20:15.18 | kadrahil | the osx client isn't that good, there's random lines going across the screen |
| 20:15.41 | Xinhuan | name him Adrine :) |
| 20:15.45 | ckknight | Antiarc: Ellipsis and I have already come up with little baby Arthas |
| 20:15.53 | Xinhuan | its not possibel to tell if its a boy or girl right? |
| 20:15.55 | Xinhuan | its kinda early |
| 20:16.05 | Antiarc | My wife thinks that both "Adrine" and "Delfina" (my priest) are pretty girls' names. |
| 20:16.10 | voidwalker | i have a question; i played on a trial account some time ago; but i don't remember on what server i made my char; now i want to buy the full game; is there any way i can see my charachter from the account without buying the game ? if it's on a bad server i would just like to get trial again before buying it |
| 20:16.16 | Antiarc | I would feel way too weird naming a kid after a WoW characterthough. |
| 20:16.20 | Antiarc | And it's too early to tell the sex. |
| 20:16.42 | kadrahil | voidwalker: when you bring up the server list you can sort the servers by how many characters you have on them |
| 20:16.43 | Kurax | voidwalker: you can see the number on the server list |
| 20:16.45 | Xinhuan | Adrian if its male then :) |
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| 20:16.57 | voidwalker | yes, but i can't get on my account since the trial is expired |
| 20:16.58 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: a guildmate of mine named her daughter after her char |
| 20:17.11 | Nandini | i wonder how many Thralls there are in the world now |
| 20:17.19 | kadrahil | voidwalker: go to worldofwarcraft.com/account and upgrade it there? |
| 20:17.26 | ckknight | I like the name Arthas honestly :-P |
| 20:17.28 | Antiarc | We actually have normal names picked out, but my wife is keen on our character names. |
| 20:17.33 | ckknight | it's not too weird to not be a real name |
| 20:17.34 | Antiarc | Adrine/Delfina/Mackenzie |
| 20:17.38 | kadrahil | afk |
| 20:17.48 | Kurax | A Corrupted Paladin |
| 20:17.52 | Antiarc | (If it's a boy, I'm gunning for Grigs, my dwarven warrior's name) |
| 20:17.58 | ckknight | Grigs? |
| 20:17.59 | ckknight | :-P |
| 20:18.00 | voidwalker | kadrahil yeah, that's where i should upgrade, but i want to know where i made the char; if it's on a bad server i would like to start the trial again before upgrading |
| 20:18.01 | voidwalker | you know? |
| 20:18.04 | voidwalker | so i get 10 free days |
| 20:18.13 | Nandini | you just have to remember when your child grows up, they will eventually ask where their name came from |
| 20:18.36 | Nandini | and hope you don't belittle them by saying, "we named you after an imaginary character in a game we played at the time" |
| 20:18.51 | Xinhuan | "but we love you as much as our ingame characters" :D |
| 20:19.21 | kagaro | kadrahil: I dont have any issues with the mac ptr client ~ 70 fps |
| 20:19.23 | Xinhuan | here's a question |
| 20:19.28 | Xinhuan | why did you name your rogue Adrine? |
| 20:19.37 | Xinhuan | where did the name come from |
| 20:19.39 | Kurax | Create your baby a character now hehe, teach it how to raid from day 1 |
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| 20:20.19 | NightHawkTheSane | "Are we seriously going to act on something she's googled?" |
| 20:20.27 | voidwalker | nobody knows? |
| 20:21.03 | Xinhuan | voidwalker, check your WTF folder in your wow folder |
| 20:21.14 | Kurax | smart |
| 20:21.16 | Xinhuan | it should have subfolders for your account name, server name and character name |
| 20:21.39 | voidwalker | Xinhuan that wow installation is long gone |
| 20:21.39 | voidwalker | :| |
| 20:21.54 | Xinhuan | nothing i can do then |
| 20:22.02 | CIA-9 | 03gagorian * r63170 10DrDamage/Data/ (Priest.lua Rogue.lua): |
| 20:22.02 | CIA-9 | DrDamage: |
| 20:22.02 | CIA-9 | - Fixed dagger specialization crit being applied twice (didn't know if blizzard API included it, apparently it does) |
| 20:22.04 | Xinhuan | do you remember your account name and password? |
| 20:22.20 | Xinhuan | you can try logging on the official website to your account |
| 20:22.23 | voidwalker | yes, but i cannot access it, it was trial |
| 20:22.25 | voidwalker | i did |
| 20:22.40 | Kurax | Wont appear on armory too I guess |
| 20:22.54 | Xinhuan | not much i can do then |
| 20:23.05 | Xinhuan | wtf folder is the only location |
| 20:23.24 | voidwalker | trials don't appear on armory ? |
| 20:23.32 | Xinhuan | why dont you try? |
| 20:23.38 | Xinhuan | dont' ask silly questions :) |
| 20:23.38 | Diao | can trials get past level 10 |
| 20:23.39 | voidwalker | try what? |
| 20:23.47 | Xinhuan | try searching the armory duh |
| 20:23.47 | Diao | try a character name search |
| 20:23.47 | Kurax | Players less than 10 wont |
| 20:23.56 | Diao | yeah i know kurax |
| 20:24.01 | Diao | but they still show up on character searches |
| 20:24.22 | voidwalker | i named my charachter voidwalker |
| 20:24.26 | Diao | i think |
| 20:24.28 | voidwalker | bleah, there are 3 pages of voidwalkers |
| 20:24.29 | voidwalker | lol |
| 20:24.38 | Xinhuan | you know why? |
| 20:24.42 | Diao | lol |
| 20:24.44 | Diao | ..:\ |
| 20:24.49 | Xinhuan | there's a warlock pet called Voidwalker ;p |
| 20:25.03 | Xinhuan | that even some common warlock mobs have |
| 20:25.08 | Kurax | I think voidwalker's name is from the pet |
| 20:25.17 | voidwalker | i had that nick long before wow |
| 20:25.20 | Xinhuan | still if you know the level |
| 20:25.24 | Xinhuan | of your character |
| 20:25.32 | Xinhuan | you can find it out of all the voidwalkers |
| 20:25.52 | Kurax | Race and class and level and gender |
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| 20:25.53 | Diao | do you remember what race or class it was |
| 20:26.04 | Diao | or both |
| 20:26.07 | voidwalker | Tauren shaman i think |
| 20:26.30 | Xinhuan | i'm surprised Voidwalker is allowed to be a player name |
| 20:26.37 | Diao | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/search.php?serverid=-1®ion=-1&raceid=3&classid=3&minlevel=1&maxlevel=70&search=voidwalker&Submit1=SEARCH |
| 20:26.37 | Xinhuan | considering its a minion name |
| 20:26.59 | Diao | a level 7, 11, 14, and 70 on US realms |
| 20:27.37 | Xinhuan | search armory, not warcraftrealms ~_~ |
| 20:27.39 | voidwalker | no, it was on europe ! |
| 20:28.01 | Diao | lol |
| 20:28.15 | Diao | armory won't show characters below 10 in a standard search though |
| 20:28.24 | Diao | and its filtering is terrible :( |
| 20:28.39 | voidwalker | ah, i think it was closer to 20 |
| 20:28.49 | voidwalker | otherwise i would not have cared |
| 20:29.39 | Diao | well only tauren on the eu wowarmory is a 17warrior |
| 20:29.42 | Kurax | Level to 20 is not hard with the awesome addons from these dudes |
| 20:29.47 | voidwalker | i never played warrior |
| 20:29.50 | voidwalker | it must not be listed |
| 20:30.04 | voidwalker | oh |
| 20:30.10 | voidwalker | ok than, give me some addon names |
| 20:30.10 | Nandini | new UnitInRange("unit") only works on units in your party or raid |
| 20:30.36 | voidwalker | then* |
| 20:30.50 | Primer | Nandini: I see you posted to my forum thread regarding my request for Z axis data. Is posting to the UI forum the only way to request features? |
| 20:30.50 | voidwalker | i have the one that shows you the sell price and the cartographer one |
| 20:31.06 | Kurax | too many to list, browse wowinterface.com and wow.curse.com ftw |
| 20:31.16 | Nandini | actually the best place to post is in the UI Suggestions thread |
| 20:31.37 | Primer | Nandini: I was never able to find that thread. Is that what it's literally called? |
| 20:31.50 | Nandini | it is guaranteed to be looked at a couple times a month, and usually Slouken will give a "denied" to most of them, sometimes he takes the time to explain why |
| 20:32.12 | Primer | could you link me the thread, please? |
| 20:32.20 | Nandini | sure let me look for it, i should bookmark it |
| 20:32.43 | Primer | Is it at least in the "UI & Macros Forum"? |
| 20:32.59 | Primer | perhaps that was my mistake, I limited my search to that forum |
| 20:33.10 | Nandini | i think this is the current thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=101150523&postId=1009415001&sid=1#0 |
| 20:33.45 | Xinhuan | i saw thatthread |
| 20:33.49 | Xinhuan | i didn't bother to reply |
| 20:34.06 | Xinhuan | because back before patch 1.1, x,y,z coordinate world data used to be available |
| 20:34.12 | Xinhuan | even inside instances |
| 20:34.20 | Xinhuan | it was explicitly removed |
| 20:34.24 | Nandini | at least we may get map x,y coords back in WotLK |
| 20:34.29 | Nandini | inside instances i mean |
| 20:34.33 | Xinhuan | to prevent botting via coordinates |
| 20:34.45 | Xinhuan | because back in those days, movement functions aren't protected |
| 20:35.07 | Primer | but we already have map coordinates and player heading available |
| 20:35.24 | Primer | surely that's enough to "bot" |
| 20:35.32 | Xinhuan | well there is little reason for blizzard to give you any extra info |
| 20:35.34 | Xinhuan | than what you already have |
| 20:35.36 | xyu | the best thing about wowequip is i can put crazy enchants on items and link them in trade. harharhar |
| 20:35.40 | Nandini | yeah there really is no reason world coordinates shouldn't be available now i think, but usually blizz doesn't giveth back what blizz hath taken away |
| 20:35.41 | Xinhuan | there's no real legitimate use |
| 20:36.25 | Nandini | the good legitimate use is altitude data |
| 20:36.38 | Primer | that's what I mostly want |
| 20:36.46 | Xinhuan | rarely does blizzard give in to requests unless it has a real good reason that would benefit millions of users |
| 20:37.00 | xyu | and even then... |
| 20:37.23 | Nandini | Xinhuan, don't tell me you don't want to make 3d routes :P |
| 20:37.27 | MentalPower | Xinhuan: I beg to differ |
| 20:37.35 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 20:37.42 | Xinhuan | makes display difficult |
| 20:37.53 | Xinhuan | i don't want to start coloeing nodes by altitude lOL |
| 20:37.55 | EvilJohn | blizzard's denial for api functionality is a exciting and dynamic pacing mechanism |
| 20:37.58 | Xinhuan | coloring* |
| 20:38.47 | Nandini | one thing i wish you could do with gathermate is mark nodes as indoors/outdoors to catch all the junk that is underground |
| 20:38.59 | EvilJohn | that would be cool |
| 20:39.00 | Nandini | perhaps i shall suggest it on jira |
| 20:39.24 | Nandini | i realize that wowhead doesn't have that info, so it would make merges tricky |
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| 20:39.43 | Nandini | since it's technically possible to have two nodes one above the other, one being underground and the other above ground |
| 20:39.59 | Xinhuan | that makes things too tricky since the db format is already fixed |
| 20:40.05 | Xinhuan | [coord] = nodetype |
| 20:40.07 | Xinhuan | both are integers |
| 20:40.39 | Nandini | does your translation from x,y to [coord] ever go negative? |
| 20:40.47 | Xinhuan | no heh |
| 20:40.51 | Nandini | there ya go! |
| 20:40.57 | Nandini | negative nodes are indoors :) |
| 20:41.18 | Xinhuan | GM is not the only addon that uses GM data though |
| 20:41.22 | Nandini | and you just end up assuming all imported nodes are outdoors |
| 20:41.54 | Primer | I wonder what it'd involve, technically, to export Z axis to the UI API. Surely the world maps in the 3D engine have a reference plane |
| 20:42.12 | Xinhuan | there is primer |
| 20:42.19 | Xinhuan | but that plane is hidden from us |
| 20:42.21 | Nandini | so when another addon requests GM data, you give back an extra var at the end that is indoors or outdoors, they can safely ignore it |
| 20:42.31 | Xinhuan | Nandini, the addons access the SV directly |
| 20:42.39 | Nandini | oh, then they would probably choke :P |
| 20:42.43 | Xinhuan | as we don't provide any API |
| 20:42.43 | Grum | thb, if you get accurate x/y/y values for yourself |
| 20:42.45 | Grum | you can make anything |
| 20:42.51 | Grum | complete 3d engines inside wow : |
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| 20:42.58 | Primer | Xinhuan: I imagine it must be pretty low, to account for twisting nether and falling off into there |
| 20:43.13 | Xinhuan | not really |
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| 20:43.24 | Xinhuan | the Z coord can go negative |
| 20:43.28 | Nandini | actually, the Z axis goes as far down as it can go up |
| 20:43.28 | Primer | of course |
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| 20:43.36 | Xinhuan | on azeroth/kalimdor, Z == 0 is at sea level |
| 20:43.37 | Nandini | zero is about sea level in azeroth, not sure what it is in outland |
| 20:43.48 | Xinhuan | Ungoro crater is 279 yards below sea level |
| 20:43.52 | Primer | I'm just mostly curious as to what they set as their "sea level" |
| 20:43.59 | Xinhuan | 0,0,0 on Eastern Kingdom is at the beach just west of Sepulcher |
| 20:43.59 | Grum | <Nandini> negative nodes are indoors :) <--but that is not true isnt it? or is that something you'd use to map 'inside' ? :D |
| 20:44.13 | Primer | how do you know this, if there's no Z axis data? |
| 20:44.14 | genetik | just tare it at the coordinates that you die at |
| 20:44.19 | Xinhuan | before patch 1.1 |
| 20:44.22 | Xinhuan | x,y,z is available |
| 20:44.23 | Primer | was this from when it was available? |
| 20:44.25 | Primer | ahh |
| 20:44.27 | Primer | ok |
| 20:44.28 | Kurax | Tracking Z axis changes will able to detect if you're falling |
| 20:44.30 | Nandini | Grum: Yes, was a suggestion for GatherMate, but it seems other addons access GM's data directly and would choke on negative coords |
| 20:44.42 | Xinhuan | 0,0,0 in deeprun tram is at steps of the middle boarding platform |
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| 20:44.50 | Xinhuan | on the nearer train to the instance entrance at the IF end |
| 20:44.54 | Grum | but you cant get coords from withint instances unless you do some hack-ish-ping-pong like gpslib does |
| 20:45.05 | Grum | and then again, all the instances (indoor areas) are just mapped on the worldgrid |
| 20:45.08 | Primer | I think it'd be cool to have an addon tell you when to deploy the shatari skyguard cape when you're falling :) |
| 20:45.15 | Diao | hmm |
| 20:45.20 | Diao | what's with blizz giving everyone and their mother MS :( |
| 20:45.22 | Xinhuan | well it USED to be possible |
| 20:45.23 | Nandini | Grum: they may add instance maps back in WotLK, so you may have map x,y coords |
| 20:45.25 | Diao | soon even casters will have it |
| 20:45.26 | Xinhuan | that's why blizzard removed it |
| 20:45.28 | kagaro | Prier you can do that now |
| 20:45.37 | Primer | flash red when you're within the window of deploying and not dying |
| 20:45.40 | kagaro | check IsFalling |
| 20:45.49 | Chaud | Was there anything good in Blizzcast today? |
| 20:45.52 | Xinhuan | Tanaris is on average 5 yards above sea level |
| 20:45.53 | kagaro | granted cant check distance btu knows you falling |
| 20:45.54 | Nandini | Primer: you'd have to know the altitude of the nearest ground for that to work |
| 20:46.14 | Kurax | Such API exist? |
| 20:46.17 | Primer | Nandini: yes, I know. I pondered mapping it all manually |
| 20:46.18 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 20:46.18 | Grum | they will still relate to worldmap locations |
| 20:46.27 | Primer | provided the Z axis existed |
| 20:46.36 | Primer | creating a huge elevation db |
| 20:46.42 | Primer | for all of outland |
| 20:46.44 | Nandini | in that case, you would have to survey every 5 yards of map |
| 20:46.46 | Xinhuan | you may assume that Z axis is 0 at sealevel |
| 20:46.49 | Xinhuan | because it is |
| 20:47.09 | Xinhuan | i still have screenshots from when i have my own addon display the x,y,z |
| 20:47.15 | Nandini | true, in azeroth if you know your heading and speed, you can triangulate Z |
| 20:47.15 | Xinhuan | and updated OnUpdate |
| 20:47.22 | Nandini | since ground speed is linear |
| 20:47.25 | Xinhuan | not true Nandini |
| 20:47.39 | Nandini | oh duh, exactly, ground speed IS linear, so you can't triangulate |
| 20:47.41 | Xinhuan | your speed on the x-y plane on the ground is fixed, regardless of your slope |
| 20:48.05 | vithos | could you map outland's elevation by flying to the sky ceiling and measuring your fall time? |
| 20:48.14 | Xinhuan | not really |
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| 20:48.19 | Xinhuan | because falling speed accelerates |
| 20:48.22 | Nandini | if you know the correlation between the speed of falling and your ground run speed |
| 20:48.27 | Xinhuan | and you don't know the accelleration speed |
| 20:48.34 | Xinhuan | nor the terminal velocity |
| 20:48.59 | Nandini | jump off points repeatedly and see how much damage you take and how much time you fall? |
| 20:49.05 | Nandini | fixed points that is |
| 20:49.13 | Xinhuan | i volunteer you to do it |
| 20:49.15 | vithos | you could analyze a fraps recording |
| 20:49.19 | vithos | to estimate it |
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| 20:49.29 | Kurax | lol |
| 20:49.34 | Xinhuan | the max flight height varies btw |
| 20:49.38 | vithos | ah |
| 20:49.39 | Xinhuan | depending on what you are flying over |
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| 20:49.56 | vithos | so much for that idea then |
| 20:49.56 | Nandini | yes the ceiling is dropped in some areas |
| 20:49.59 | Xinhuan | blizzard merely put in arbiturary walls |
| 20:50.05 | Xinhuan | on top |
| 20:50.09 | Xinhuan | that can be at a slope |
| 20:50.11 | Nandini | it's like a transparent ground, only above you |
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| 20:51.01 | Kurax | You say with different flying mounts, you can climbing different heights? |
| 20:51.14 | Nandini | no, in different map areas the ceiling is different heights |
| 20:51.24 | genetik | i'm pretty sure i remember reading a blue post saying that the ceiling is fixed per zone based on the highest part of land |
| 20:51.25 | Nandini | just like the ground can be different hights |
| 20:51.31 | Kurax | Ah, that's true |
| 20:51.44 | genetik | like 20 yards higher than the highest mountain or something |
| 20:51.52 | Grum | on outlands you just have a skybox |
| 20:52.04 | Grum | no ceiling whatsoever (at least you cant see it |
| 20:52.30 | vithos | it's invisible, but it's still there |
| 20:52.45 | Nandini | anyways, Primer, in order for them to accept your suggestion, there has to be no reason (good or bad) not to do it (since it involves a lot of work and testing) and also a compelling reason to do it that would benefit most players |
| 20:53.07 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: Did you see if they fixed tooltips with GUIDs yet? |
| 20:53.11 | Shadowed | letting you track health |
| 20:53.20 | Xinhuan | they removed the ability completely |
| 20:53.28 | Shadowed | aww |
| 20:53.36 | Shadowed | oh hey, combat logs don't have those filter buttons anymore |
| 20:54.02 | Shadowed | well that simplifies SSAF updates then |
| 20:55.41 | Kurax | 5am! time to hug bed |
| 20:56.00 | Primer | Nandini: and addon development is likely not going to be a convincing argument? :) |
| 20:56.27 | Kurax | ~wave |
| 20:56.28 | purl | ACTION waves goodbye. |
| 20:57.46 | dpv | kenlyric and lopen: im in ur channel, stealing ur xenu. |
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| 20:57.51 | vithos | so, GuildMap and Cartographer_GuildPositions aren't compatible... that's kinda fail |
| 20:58.21 | kenlyric | dpv: ok? |
| 20:58.23 | Nandini | Primer: if there was a large, established base of addons that already enjoyed wide use and would benefit substantially from the change, that would be a better argument |
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| 20:59.10 | Nandini | vithos: actually, AceComm and RockComm aren't compatible |
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| 21:00.21 | vithos | well whatever the reason, it sucks for the potential users |
| 21:00.30 | Nandini | anyone have a hunter or lock with a pet and can test UnitInRange("pet") both within and outside a party on PTR? |
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| 21:02.10 | Primer | Nandini: then let's start getting people to install FlightHUD! :) |
| 21:03.03 | Diao | lol.. kara attunement removed |
| 21:03.14 | Elsia | hmmm does the unitid targetpet exist? |
| 21:03.41 | Elsia | nandini: i can, let me try now |
| 21:04.29 | Elsia | does ace3 have a dump/print? |
| 21:04.35 | Nandini | it has /print |
| 21:04.38 | Elsia | k |
| 21:05.01 | Nandini | targetpet is not a valid unit alias |
| 21:05.10 | Elsia | k thanks |
| 21:05.35 | Nandini | but it would be cool for quick switching between an enemy hunter and his pet. heheh |
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| 21:05.52 | Elsia | hmm /script print(UnitInRange("pet")) isn't working for me |
| 21:05.57 | Diao | whoa |
| 21:05.58 | Diao | wtf |
| 21:06.01 | Diao | i just zoned into an arena |
| 21:06.07 | Diao | and my chatbox got spammed with addon messages |
| 21:06.10 | Nandini | oops is playerpet the alias? |
| 21:06.12 | Diao | someone forgot to remove debug code? |
| 21:06.19 | Elsia | no "pet" is correct |
| 21:06.26 | Diao | got stuff like ThR [fpafdisjpfjfe] and WIM [VERSION_CHECK] and such |
| 21:06.29 | Elsia | I think I just don't have a print |
| 21:06.42 | Nandini | try targeting your pet and using "target" as the unit |
| 21:07.17 | Elsia | no difference, as said I miss a print, and no clue what it's called in ace3 as I just switched |
| 21:07.29 | sylvanaar | my game is siezing up at 1 second intervals |
| 21:07.40 | Nandini | try /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(UnitInRange("target")) |
| 21:07.46 | Nandini | or "pet" |
| 21:08.18 | Elsia | works for both, result is 1 as expected |
| 21:08.25 | Elsia | I'll have my pet sit and run away a bit |
| 21:08.28 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.48 | Nandini | i don't have any Ace2 addons in my ptr client yet either |
| 21:08.57 | Nandini | so i've been doing a lot of :AddMessage LOL |
| 21:09.00 | Elsia | jhmm it aways returns 1... even if I |
| 21:09.04 | Elsia | am 15 yards away |
| 21:09.05 | sylvanaar | just put ace2 there |
| 21:09.39 | Elsia | sync: just lost ace2 because I ported to ace3.. so no more /print :P |
| 21:09.40 | Nandini | are you a lock or hunter? if so, can you sacrifice or mend pet on it from that range? |
| 21:09.42 | Elsia | also missing /rl |
| 21:09.47 | Elsia | hunter |
| 21:10.05 | Elsia | I can definitely mend from this range |
| 21:10.31 | Nandini | see if you can get outside mend range and then check UnitInRange("pet") again |
| 21:11.37 | Elsia | trying, just got ganked by guards for some reason |
| 21:12.13 | Elsia | ok, returns 1 when in range and nil otherwise |
| 21:12.15 | Elsia | it seems |
| 21:12.52 | Elsia | wasn't that the behavior slouken said it would have? |
| 21:14.19 | Nandini | yup |
| 21:14.27 | Nandini | thank you for testing :) |
| 21:14.49 | Elsia | np |
| 21:15.05 | Elsia | I could use a pet class myself actually, to test if I implemented the UnitGUID code correctly |
| 21:15.14 | Elsia | EU PVE alliance ptr |
| 21:17.58 | sacarasc | sorry, only got a shammy there |
| 21:18.23 | sacarasc | unless the totem elementals count |
| 21:18.28 | break19 | so, whats the best way to create 5 buttons, with the names button1-5? |
| 21:19.07 | Elsia | no, elementals are still untrackable on the current build unfortunately |
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| 21:21.05 | break19 | I'd rather not do them all line by line if a loop is possible, but at the moment, I have no ideas how to do it.. |
| 21:22.28 | Shadowed | Anyone remember if water elementals share the same GUID? Can't recall exactly |
| 21:22.44 | Elsia | no |
| 21:22.47 | Elsia | they have separate ones |
| 21:22.51 | Shadowed | excellent |
| 21:22.52 | Elsia | mage could help test in fact |
| 21:22.53 | Shadowed | that makes this easy then |
| 21:23.03 | Shadowed | It's only for arenas, so it's not a big deal either way :p |
| 21:23.21 | Elsia | ;) |
| 21:23.30 | Shadowed | UnitGUID is fun |
| 21:25.24 | Nandini | i agree Shadowed :) |
| 21:25.39 | Nandini | makes data storage and localization so much cleaner also |
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| 21:29.32 | Nandini | well, maybe it won't help at all with localization that much, since there is no UnitName(GUID) function, but i guess that's what registry libraries are for :) |
| 21:29.48 | Elsia | you can try delocalize NPCs based on mobids |
| 21:30.17 | Nandini | yes at least you can communicate without localized names now |
| 21:31.23 | Nandini | did someone check if heroic vs. non-heroic NPCs still share the same mobid part of the GUID? |
| 21:31.54 | Nandini | i'm guessing they must or they wouldn't be identified the same way on db sites |
| 21:32.39 | Elsia | yep |
| 21:33.06 | Elsia | but other bits of the guid might encode heroic state |
| 21:34.11 | Nandini | well, the intra-instance-uniqueness part (the last part) doesn't seem to show any pattern between heroic or nonheroic or level 62 vs level 70 version of a mob |
| 21:34.40 | thul | hmm, has the patch arrived? |
| 21:34.57 | Nandini | what do people call that part? the spawn identifier? birthmark? heheh |
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| 21:35.38 | Firelemming | WTB blameroll addon -.- |
| 21:35.43 | Firelemming | lawl |
| 21:36.53 | Elsia | the lsb are just sequence numbers, I'm thinking MSBs but those seem to be very constant |
| 21:37.03 | Nandini | checking now if the instance part (the first part) is distinguishable between heroic/honheroic |
| 21:37.24 | Elsia | cool |
| 21:38.01 | Nandini | the "world" instance for all NPCs outside of instances seems to be F130 on both PvE and PvP PTRs |
| 21:39.05 | Nandini | same in outland and azeroth |
| 21:39.06 | Elsia | yeah I know |
| 21:39.13 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r63171 10Recount/ (9 files): |
| 21:39.13 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 21:39.13 | CIA-9 | - Added GUID Pet handing code. Needs testing, please report any prints or errors you get. Also test if it properly handles single and multiple mage water elemental pets. |
| 21:39.14 | CIA-9 | - Some commented out legacy code removed |
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| 21:42.42 | Nandini | the GUIDs are EXACTLY the same in heroic and non-heroic |
| 21:43.51 | Nandini | every single bit is the same |
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| 21:45.55 | Jibbs | hey i'm making a fubar plugin and everything works except when i go to Rock config I get like 78 lua errors, what libs should i have? |
| 21:47.32 | RaydenU | do you need to do something special to get AceDB to save values? |
| 21:47.56 | RaydenU | i think i have the code from the WelcomeHome tutorial but it doesn't save wheni reload |
| 21:48.52 | nevcairiel | RaydenU: Ace2? |
| 21:48.56 | RaydenU | yes |
| 21:49.03 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 21:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://www.amazon.com/Playmobil-3172-Security-Check-Point/dp/B0002CYTL2/?r |
| 21:49.33 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 21:49.33 | RaydenU | function Esteem:SetMessage(newValue) self.db.profile.message = newValue end; <- do you need more than that? |
| 21:49.42 | nevcairiel | not really, no |
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| 21:50.17 | Gandharva | Antiarc: congratulation! is it a worm? ;) |
| 21:50.49 | Jibbs | the only ace call i make is AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new("FuBarPlugin-2.0"); |
| 21:50.53 | RaydenU | the comments on that are awesome |
| 21:51.04 | RaydenU | hmm |
| 21:51.15 | RaydenU | well this is annoying because it doesn't save |
| 21:51.32 | RaydenU | do you have to specify defaults? |
| 21:51.43 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:51.44 | Jibbs | not for a saved variable Rayden |
| 21:51.51 | Jibbs | is it in your TOC? |
| 21:52.06 | RaydenU | is what in the TOC? |
| 21:52.41 | RaydenU | oh |
| 21:52.42 | RaydenU | nice |
| 21:52.50 | RaydenU | my partner changed the databases in the lua file but no the toc |
| 21:52.58 | NightHawkTheSane | http://flickr.com/photos/boyshapedbox/2282655473/in/set-72157603957925616/ |
| 21:53.22 | RaydenU | i've seen that so many times today |
| 21:53.57 | Jibbs | so who here is farmiliar with fubar development? |
| 21:54.06 | Nandini | not me, i'm sorry :( |
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| 21:55.41 | charon | morning |
| 21:56.02 | charon | question for the raiders here: our "let's try shahraz despite not having enough SR gear" venture today seems to indicate she never crushes |
| 21:56.04 | charon | is that correct? |
| 21:56.35 | Aens|Superiority | yeah |
| 21:56.36 | NightHawkTheSane | http://wowwiki.com/Mother_Shahraz |
| 21:56.52 | NightHawkTheSane | wts [Look It Up Yourself] |
| 21:57.03 | Aens|Superiority | its perfectly fine to ask |
| 21:57.24 | charon | gee sorry. i looked all over the bosskillers article and it said nothing |
| 21:57.38 | Aens|Superiority | charon: but go on |
| 21:57.45 | NightHawkTheSane | bosskillers is pretty terrible, i've noticed |
| 21:58.29 | charon | in other cases wowwiki had nothing and BK offered a complete strategy (yeah i know, wiki edit etc) |
| 21:59.23 | charon | Aens|Superiority: that's it really, it means a feral will MT from now on |
| 21:59.38 | Daemona | dual wield bosses afaik never crush charon |
| 21:59.48 | charon | i'm a pretty one-dimensional bear, all i need to know is: does it crush? does the tank need a shield? |
| 21:59.49 | Stanzilla | Players will no longer need the Master’s Key to enter Karazhan. The gates to Karazhan will still require the Master’s Key to be unlocked. < lol -.- |
| 21:59.50 | Aens|Superiority | charon: well, we prefer having a warrior tank it |
| 22:00.05 | Aens|Superiority | charon: simply because last stand/shield wall is great for if people get FA'd near the tank |
| 22:00.23 | charon | i see |
| 22:00.29 | charon | thanks for the warning |
| 22:00.45 | Aens|Superiority | otherwise, its a sudden 6k damage spike at the very least |
| 22:00.51 | Nandini | yes the last thing you need is another raid member exploding next to you |
| 22:01.09 | Aens|Superiority | at least with a warrior, you can pop a cooldown and probably survive |
| 22:01.13 | Aens|Superiority | <- feral druid |
| 22:01.15 | Vanesco | Hi guys, Anyone know if it's easy to add a 'view' to recount so it can show raid dps (different from individual dps) ? |
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| 22:01.23 | charon | Aens|Superiority: i take it trinketwall didn't help? |
| 22:01.31 | Nandini | there is a realtime total dps view i think |
| 22:01.38 | Nandini | type /recount realtime to see the options |
| 22:01.46 | Aens|Superiority | charon: it might, but its not anywhere near as good as shield wall |
| 22:01.59 | Vanesco | ahh! |
| 22:02.00 | Vanesco | sweet |
| 22:02.02 | Vanesco | :D thanks |
| 22:02.18 | RaydenU | nice |
| 22:02.18 | charon | Aens|Superiority: side note, the warrior in question envies me for the 2min cd :) |
| 22:02.26 | charon | (is that correct english?) |
| 22:02.31 | Aens|Superiority | then that warrior is dumb |
| 22:02.33 | RaydenU | my friend registerd "/e" for RegisterChatCommand() |
| 22:02.52 | Aens|Superiority | cause I'd trade it all as a tank to be able to be crush immune |
| 22:03.15 | rubik | trinketwall? |
| 22:03.18 | Nandini | hmm, i'm not sure if i would want to trade capped armor and big HP for crush immune all the time |
| 22:03.33 | Aens|Superiority | Nandini: if you are a tauren druid, probably |
| 22:03.35 | charon | rubik: moroes + badge of tenacity |
| 22:03.41 | Aens|Superiority | i'm night elf. We dont get the free 2k hp |
| 22:03.51 | RaydenU | Vanesco go into the recount options to find it |
| 22:03.51 | Nandini | for the horde! :P |
| 22:04.00 | RaydenU | i think i told you this like 4 hours ago |
| 22:04.02 | rubik | charon: ahh.. k.. i <3 my trinketwall |
| 22:04.09 | charon | same here :) |
| 22:04.18 | CIA-9 | 03totalpackage * r63172 10Capping/ (. Capping.toc battlegrounds/WSG.lua core.lua): |
| 22:04.18 | CIA-9 | Capping: |
| 22:04.18 | CIA-9 | - added access to Capping's menu to the battlefield minimap tab's menu |
| 22:04.18 | CIA-9 | - now properly resets health text for start of WSG |
| 22:04.21 | Nandini | you get an extra free 1% dodge, yippy :P |
| 22:04.48 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r63173 10Recount/ (Recount.lua Tracker.lua pets.lua roster.lua): |
| 22:04.48 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 22:04.48 | CIA-9 | - Some bugs fixed. Party pets are still misclassified as mobs unfortunately. |
| 22:04.53 | Aens|Superiority | max buffed, I have around 22k hp. But i'm talking everything popped with commanding and imp imp. Similarly geared tauren druid would easily have 24k |
| 22:05.10 | charon | Aens|Superiority: despite all the disadvantages and bickering, i'd still take druid over warrior in a heartbeat |
| 22:05.15 | Aens|Superiority | yeah, that 1% dodge is crap. It really needs to be a scaling agi boost |
| 22:05.51 | Aens|Superiority | charon: naw. Very very few mechanics in this game favor a feral druid. Only situation where a feral druid is better, is low rage situations. |
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| 22:06.11 | Aens|Superiority | ae tanking? pally. single target? warrior. Bosses? Warrior. |
| 22:06.33 | charon | true, but we get to have all the fun |
| 22:06.34 | Twist- | Fast-hitting bosses? Sometimes a druid is a better choice. |
| 22:06.59 | Aens|Superiority | fast hitting bosses? You mean like only prince phase 2? |
| 22:07.04 | Nandini | i think druid is the most fun, but my warrior isn't 70 yet |
| 22:07.05 | Twist- | Unless blizz saddles you with a "Shield Paw" ability in wotlk. ;) |
| 22:07.17 | Aens|Superiority | where there is absolutely no feral itemization at that tier level that can be aquired through pve? |
| 22:07.21 | Nandini | and my pally is only 35 |
| 22:07.29 | Twist- | Aens|Superiority: yeah.. the ability to tank with your ass on movement fights is helpful there too. ;) |
| 22:07.56 | charon | Aens|Superiority: well, in our raid i tank azgalor, archimonde, probably soon shahraz, and i tanked tidewalker and leotheras... makes for a fair share of druid MTing i think |
| 22:08.07 | Iboong-Kenzo | 1 |
| 22:08.18 | charon | i used to be more aggravated about the issue before i found out that az+archi never crush |
| 22:08.23 | Aens|Superiority | do you tank arch with 4 fear wards and no warriors who know how to stance dance? |
| 22:08.35 | charon | we have plenty of priests |
| 22:08.52 | Iboong-Kenzo | how to fix estimated heals? |
| 22:08.57 | Aens|Superiority | i'm not saying druids can't tank most encounters. THere is just never a reason to besides for the lulz |
| 22:09.01 | charon | though i'll have to add we haven't managed him yet... but all tries with a warrior ended during a silence |
| 22:09.06 | charon | s/silence/fear/ |
| 22:09.44 | Daemona | damn the eredar twins are sexy bitches :X |
| 22:12.08 | nevcairiel | stupid blizzy .. we we're just getting warmed up on felmyst and they remove him from one try onto the other :P |
| 22:12.41 | Hjalte | nevcairiel: Does he drop loot when he kills himself? |
| 22:12.45 | Hjalte | she* |
| 22:12.48 | nevcairiel | Hjalte: yeah |
| 22:12.53 | nevcairiel | but brutallus didnt |
| 22:12.54 | Chompers | wipe 9 on kael, what a nice |
| 22:12.57 | Chompers | *night |
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| 22:19.54 | Gnarfoz | teron gorefiend: where do the spells for the ghost form go? mind control bar or pet bar? |
| 22:20.16 | Killmore2 | Gnarfoz: both for me |
| 22:20.21 | Killmore2 | im using bartender3 |
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| 22:20.35 | Gnarfoz | bartender has support for swapping out the main bar if you control something oO |
| 22:20.37 | Yssaril | isn't MC and pet bar the same thing? |
| 22:20.40 | Killmore2 | my main bar switch AND I have a pet bar |
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| 22:21.06 | Thrae|Work | Can someone tag some projects for me? I'm at work. |
| 22:21.14 | Gnarfoz | Yssaril: of course not, warlocks can control their pet and for example by Mind Control cap they should control the MCd thing |
| 22:21.21 | Aens|Superiority | I have never looked. ctrl 543333333335433333335433333! |
| 22:21.37 | Aens|Superiority | best way to do that fight. |
| 22:21.39 | Yssaril | Gnarfoz: i guess ur right :P |
| 22:24.24 | Gnarfoz | so... no one who can tell for sure? |
| 22:24.29 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: ping |
| 22:24.34 | Xinhuan | ? |
| 22:24.47 | Yssaril | mind if i use your line.tga file u use in routes? |
| 22:24.59 | Saroz_ | http://groups.google.com/group/wowace/topics ehh google is fucked |
| 22:25.01 | Saroz_ | look at dates |
| 22:25.01 | Xinhuan | go ahead |
| 22:25.07 | Yssaril | ty |
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| 22:25.53 | Primer | hrmm, that UI suggestions thread includes a suggestion for Z coordinate |
| 22:26.32 | Nandini | then quote it and support it, makes it more obvious to them that there is extra support :) |
| 22:26.44 | Nandini | add your own reasoning for extra impact :) |
| 22:26.45 | Primer | it's the second post |
| 22:26.56 | Nandini | has it already been denied? |
| 22:26.57 | Primer | where that Cogwheel dude lists requested changes |
| 22:27.31 | Primer | Not from what I can tell |
| 22:27.45 | Primer | it's mentioned twice, in fact |
| 22:28.07 | Primer | once simply as "Z coordinates" in the "APIs for data currently unavailable or hard to get" list |
| 22:28.23 | Primer | and once as "Some way to determine whether you are flying or to cause you to fly level. Horizon indicator, API to get your Z coordinate, etc." in the same list |
| 22:28.37 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r63174 10Recount/ (Recount.lua pets.lua roster.lua): |
| 22:28.37 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 22:28.38 | CIA-9 | - Added some debug message for pet GUID handling |
| 22:28.50 | Primer | seems one can't search a thread in the forums |
| 22:29.06 | Primer | I'd like to search it for /\bz\b/i |
| 22:29.09 | Elsia | wtb tiny addon that provides /rl and /print ;) |
| 22:30.33 | Benumbed | would love to know why print wont print a table now, just does table:42942829 now |
| 22:32.16 | ckknight | Elsia: /print is tough to be tiny |
| 22:32.53 | Benumbed | ckknight, any idea whats stopping print from printing the table? |
| 22:33.01 | Benumbed | just started happening recently and not sure what changed |
| 22:33.16 | Primer | found another suggestion thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2765967767&sid=1 |
| 22:33.25 | ckknight | Benumbed: because some addon is stealing /print |
| 22:33.34 | ckknight | possibly a very old version of Ace2 or Rock? |
| 22:33.38 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 22:33.42 | Benumbed | maybe |
| 22:33.46 | Primer | crap, it was just started today! |
| 22:33.49 | Primer | excellent! |
| 22:33.55 | Primer | and he mentions z coordinates too! |
| 22:33.57 | Benumbed | dunno what changed, just one day it stopped after update |
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| 22:34.24 | Benumbed | really annoying |
| 22:34.26 | Nandini | that thread hasn't been touched in months Primer |
| 22:34.41 | Nandini | it was merged into the "consolidated" thread |
| 22:34.57 | Primer | # Topic Suggestions for new data APIs |
| 22:34.57 | Primer | # | 02/28/2008 02:34:12 PM PST |
| 22:35.01 | Primer | is that not today? |
| 22:35.07 | Primer | or am I reading that incorrectly? |
| 22:35.11 | Nandini | that is today, but today's date always shows at the top |
| 22:35.28 | Primer | oh, I see |
| 22:35.38 | Primer | still, that thread is newer than the other one...I think |
| 22:35.56 | Primer | oh, no it's not |
| 22:36.27 | Primer | wait, it is...damn, this forum is so confusing |
| 22:36.55 | Nandini | i still think the major issue is that your z coordinate will have to be a world coordinate, and it's unlikely they would give z without x and y as well |
| 22:37.15 | Primer | the one with 24 pages of stuff starts on 05/02/2007. The one I recently linked starts on 11/2007 |
| 22:37.16 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r63175 10Recount/Recount.lua: |
| 22:37.16 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 22:37.16 | CIA-9 | - More refined debug messages. |
| 22:37.29 | Thrae|Work | No one here with dev access and a few seconds? |
| 22:38.07 | Nandini | i have access but i don't think you want my svn noobieness making new tags for you :P |
| 22:38.15 | Thrae|Work | Fair enough. |
| 22:38.27 | Nandini | Primer, the long thread is the current one |
| 22:38.47 | NeoTron | just got access today so really in the same boat (from an ace perspective) :P |
| 22:38.48 | Primer | Nandini: ok, posting to that one then |
| 22:40.23 | nevcairiel | Thrae|Work: sup? |
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| 22:44.40 | Thrae|Work | nevcairiel: I forgot to tag the old TinyTip 1.x. Can you do that for me? http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/TinyTip/Ace2/ -> tags/TinyTip/1.x, http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/TinyTipExtras/Ace2/ -> tags/TinyTipExtras/1.x, http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/TinyTipOptions/Ace2/ -> tags/TinyTipOptions/1.x, http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/TipLib/TipLib/ -> tags/TipLib |
| 22:45.08 | nevcairiel | you really want 1.x? |
| 22:45.09 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:45.47 | CIA-9 | 03snago * r63176 10IHML/IHML.lua: |
| 22:45.47 | CIA-9 | IHML: |
| 22:45.47 | CIA-9 | - Possible bugfix |
| 22:45.48 | Thrae|Work | nevcairiel: I forgot the latest release version number for 1.x. I think it was 1.4 or something. |
| 22:46.00 | Thrae|Work | nevcairiel: Maybe 1.4x ;) |
| 22:46.00 | Primer | haha "Possible bugfix" |
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| 22:46.24 | Snago | Primer: ;) |
| 22:46.25 | Thrae|Work | Primer: Without drycoding, we'd have far fewer updates ;) |
| 22:46.32 | keiss | why not call it possible bug ? :) |
| 22:46.32 | nevcairiel | i dont suppose you include version numbers inside the files |
| 22:46.40 | Thrae|Work | nevcairiel: I do |
| 22:47.17 | Thrae|Work | nevcairiel: Nevermind, I lied, I don't |
| 22:47.23 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 22:47.24 | Thrae|Work | So 1.x is a good bet |
| 22:47.36 | Thrae|Work | In TinyTip v2.0, the version number is included |
| 22:47.47 | Thrae|Work | And people are wondering why I want to eschew TinyTip 1.x so badly |
| 22:47.54 | Snago | And it wasn't drycoded actually. I just never managed to reproduce the bug that was reported. I just think I fixed it :P |
| 22:49.02 | nevcairiel | WoWInterface lists the latest revision as 1.4.12 |
| 22:49.07 | nevcairiel | should i just use that ? :P |
| 22:49.25 | Thrae|Work | Sure! |
| 22:50.46 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63177 10/tags/TinyTip/: TinyTip - create tag |
| 22:51.08 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63178 10/tags/TinyTipExtras/: TinyTipExtras - create tag |
| 22:51.27 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63179 10/tags/TinyTipOptions/: TinyTipOptions - create tag |
| 22:51.46 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63180 10/tags/TipLib/: TipLib - create tag |
| 22:51.56 | ag` | we using tags now for addons? |
| 22:52.09 | ag` | for zip stuff |
| 22:52.21 | CIA-9 | 03peragor 07AutoLayout * r63181 10Grid/Grid/ (GridLayout.lua GridLayoutLayouts.lua GridLocale-enUS.lua): |
| 22:52.21 | CIA-9 | Grid: |
| 22:52.21 | CIA-9 | - Integrated GridLayoutPlus. |
| 22:52.21 | CIA-9 | - Bug fix for oRA2 nil error |
| 22:52.37 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 071.4.12 * r63182 10TinyTip/: TinyTip - tag 1.4.12 |
| 22:52.50 | Thrae|Work | ag`: That would be awesome, but I think Kaelten is "still working on it". |
| 22:53.15 | ag` | would be a lot better than every change in trunk getting zipped |
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| 22:54.04 | ag` | I know it's meant to be a completely diffent system with a svn per project, but making the zip script on tags instead of trunk until then, would that be a bad idea? |
| 22:54.15 | Thrae|Work | Yeah, we've repeatedly had this discussion. There are major developers who don't want to "go through the trouble of tagging", so the system stays with /trunk for now. |
| 22:54.26 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 071.4.12 * r63183 10TinyTipExtras/: TinyTipExtras - tag 1.4.12 |
| 22:54.36 | ag` | hm, who are those guys? |
| 22:55.30 | nevcairiel | people who never worked on any real software |
| 22:55.32 | Thrae|Work | Additionally, not allowing WAU to download from /trunk could severly affect mass testing, especially for addons with specific usages or smaller fame. |
| 22:56.06 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 071.4.12 * r63184 10TinyTipOptions/: TinyTipOptions - tag 1.4.12 |
| 22:56.08 | Thrae|Work | I proposed a long time ago separating /tags as "stable" and /trunk as "development" in WAU, but I think Kaelten hasn't gotten to it yet. |
| 22:56.24 | nevcairiel | we've all been talking about it for ages |
| 22:56.31 | nevcairiel | was supposed to be finished last year sometime |
| 22:56.35 | Kaelten | :( |
| 22:56.41 | Thrae|Work | Kaelten: poke poke, bug bug |
| 22:56.45 | Kaelten | :( |
| 22:56.48 | Shadowed | screw people |
| 22:56.55 | Shadowed | who require WAU totest their addons |
| 22:56.57 | Primer | Thrae|Work: what a concept! |
| 22:56.59 | Shadowed | ban them from developing |
| 22:57.05 | ag` | I'll donate beer when work starts |
| 22:57.10 | ag` | :P |
| 22:57.21 | Gnarfoz | Elsia: can I link you some errors I got while raiding with Recount? seems like it's still missing some spell translations (it = LBS3.0 really, I think) |
| 22:57.33 | ag` | but I guess beggars can't be choosers |
| 22:57.37 | Elsia | gnar: that for live or ptr? |
| 22:58.07 | Primer | Nandini: ok, posted to that thread...I hope I made a sufficiently good argument. |
| 22:58.26 | Elsia | but anyway, link me up |
| 22:58.28 | Nandini | i'm not the one you have to convince :) |
| 22:58.46 | Elsia | lbs3.0 kind of implies live ;) |
| 22:58.51 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63185 10/tags/TipLib/: TipLib - fix tag |
| 22:58.52 | Gnarfoz | Elsia: live, indeed |
| 22:59.28 | nevcairiel | Thrae|Work: should all be tagged now |
| 22:59.34 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure as to: whether it's because there are people using older versions of Recount in the same raid syncing with me, or LBS3.0 itself (and I wouldn't know where to add those spells, either), or Recount |
| 22:59.36 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63186 10/tags/TipLib/: TipLib - tag TipLib-1.0 |
| 22:59.43 | Gnarfoz | Elsia: http://ace.pastey.net/83124 |
| 23:00.05 | Chaud | WAU is fine as is =( |
| 23:00.27 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 23:00.31 | NeoTron | my UI had bloated to 150-160 MB last night |
| 23:00.34 | nevcairiel | but endusers dont understand that =P |
| 23:00.43 | Elsia | gnar: kinda need to send that to whoever maintains libbabble-spell-3.0 |
| 23:00.45 | NeoTron | it was getting bad. not quite sure what all was using memory except recount being at least 20-30MB of it |
| 23:00.52 | Elsia | non of these are recount-caused errors |
| 23:01.16 | Chaud | I don't write addons, just use WAU to update, but if something breaks it is my fault =\ |
| 23:01.23 | Gnarfoz | Elsia: yeah, figured as much. but could, theoretically, old Recount versions that still use LBS3.0 be causing them? no idea :D |
| 23:01.32 | Chaud | So I'll check the error or forums to see what's going on |
| 23:01.35 | Thrae|Work | Chaud: Wouldn't you rather have the opportunity to pick from "stable" and "development"? You could help test what you want to help test, and use stable versions otherwise. |
| 23:01.59 | Elsia | gnar: you've been syncing? |
| 23:02.00 | Chaud | I would just put all of them on "development" =p |
| 23:02.15 | Chaud | Don't care for stable versions, slower to see new features |
| 23:02.35 | Thrae|Work | True, but not everyone is like that. |
| 23:02.43 | Thrae|Work | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11443.40 <-- drama |
| 23:02.47 | Chaud | I don't like how versions of ace addons on Curse/WoWInterface are sometimes very outdated though |
| 23:03.04 | Chaud | People that don't know any better download them and then ask me why XXX doesn't work |
| 23:03.09 | Gnarfoz | Elsia: yes, of course :) I'm on enGB, so those errors can only come from other people sending me deDE spell names |
| 23:03.26 | Thrae|Work | Sometimes the ones on Curse aren't put there by the dev, also rarely happens with WoWI |
| 23:03.33 | Elsia | gnar: then make sure that everybody has updated threat-1.0 and updated recounts and update LBS-3.0 |
| 23:04.00 | Gnarfoz | threat-1.0 oO |
| 23:04.00 | Elsia | if the error persist, bug whoever maintains LBS-3.0 |
| 23:04.13 | Grum | Thrae|Work: picking between dev and stable is something you can do, work in a branch ... that is dev! |
| 23:04.34 | Grum | those people complain with reason and they are right (yes the current svn->world system is a bit suboptimal) |
| 23:04.40 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I'll probably scream at people before our next raid and tell them to update or gtfo :D |
| 23:04.59 | Chaud | The people that put something up on Curse/WoWI should at least update it somewhat often |
| 23:04.59 | Elsia | gnar: ;) |
| 23:05.11 | Chaud | If they are going to put it on the first time |
| 23:05.17 | Chaud | Or remove it if the don't wish to keep updating it |
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| 23:06.07 | Thrae|Work | Grum: I just use my own gcode...but anyway, branches aren't available on WAU either. If you need mass testing on WAU, /trunk is your only option. The average user isn't saavy enough to understand how to use SVN. |
| 23:07.11 | Thrae|Work | Grum: Anyway, in my case, I put a version that was -more- stable then the previous, but lacked some of the features (partly because those features were not 100% stable). So if you want /trunk to be as stable as possible, I did follow that rule. |
| 23:08.10 | Thrae|Work | nevcairiel: Thanks again for your help with the tags. I just realized the externals aren't there, but people should check them out manually anyway...Ace2 being a perpetual beta. |
| 23:08.37 | Kaelten | Ace3 won't be |
| 23:08.44 | Thrae|Work | Right |
| 23:08.46 | Elsia | it's a really tricky topic. so say you have tagging, then people yell that your beta isn't tagged yet when they want a feature, or yell if a tagged version happens to have bugs (everything has bugs!) |
| 23:09.00 | Elsia | the notion of "stable" code is somewhat shakey in and off itself |
| 23:09.11 | Benumbed | even my dinner has bugs? |
| 23:09.41 | Chompers | and no hyjal because people fail at kael |
| 23:09.46 | Grum | Thrae|Work: you are smart enough to know how wowace is used, so saying: 'wowace distribution is broken so fuck all users' is not very nice |
| 23:10.26 | Kaelten | I agree fully that there needs to be improvements |
| 23:10.31 | Kaelten | and I WILL deliver them. |
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| 23:10.43 | Grum | but its workable Kaelten, but you need to change your mindset as coder |
| 23:10.44 | Kaelten | I just wish I had a clone |
| 23:11.03 | WobWork | I would name him... |
| 23:11.05 | Grum | keeping trunk stable is work for the coder but godlike for the users because of the system |
| 23:11.06 | WobWork | MINI ME |
| 23:11.19 | WobWork | Grum: Which is the proble, =) |
| 23:11.21 | WobWork | m |
| 23:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Elsia: it's not really that shaky, there's a vast difference between release-quality code and in-development code, its got little to do with bugs :P |
| 23:11.35 | WobWork | cause it's not supposed to be godlike for the users, only the coders =) |
| 23:11.43 | Kypp | hi guys, i'm wondering if there's any wiki documentation concerning the specifics of how to identify your externals and submit (link?) them in your SVN space |
| 23:11.57 | Grum | making trunk unstable is slacking of the coder, massive slacking and very well .. arrogant towards the users |
| 23:12.00 | Thrae|Work | Grum: Like I said, my release -was- stable. Just because it lacks features doesn't mean it's less stable. |
| 23:12.02 | WobWork | Kypp: somewhere on the wiki is SVN details |
| 23:12.02 | Elsia | night: don't disagree to that, but didn't really say that either ;) |
| 23:12.08 | Grum | its not stable for the people using it |
| 23:12.16 | Grum | 'i dont have options' == not usable |
| 23:12.40 | Grum | its really easy to just code in branches |
| 23:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Elsia: well i'm disagreeing with you saying that the concept of stable is at all shaky. it's not really. :P |
| 23:12.47 | nevcairiel | using trunk as the only source for .zip's is just plain wrong. WAU should be able to allow people to use a dev version, and a stable version |
| 23:12.58 | nevcairiel | that way you get testers |
| 23:12.59 | Kaelten | Grum: I agree, most big projects I use keep trunk very stable. |
| 23:13.09 | Grum | nevcairiel: wrong is too harsh, its another way of life |
| 23:13.13 | Thrae|Work | Grum: You can't please everyone. I pleased a lot of people with my new version, and pissed off a lot of people with my new version. Someday, that ratio will increase more towards pleasing, but that's the life of a coder. |
| 23:13.14 | nevcairiel | its wrong |
| 23:13.17 | Elsia | it can be from a user perspective. the user doesn't know or care if a bug that bothers him is from release quality code or in-development code |
| 23:13.18 | Grum | in my line of work - ttrunk is always stable |
| 23:13.21 | Grum | and i mean ALWAYS |
| 23:13.27 | Grum | and i have to guarantee that it is stable |
| 23:13.41 | nevcairiel | where i come from, trunk is the development version, and only tags are stable |
| 23:13.45 | Grum | Thrae|Work: 'you cant please everyone' - who did you please other than yourself with putting your pre-alpha crap on trunk? |
| 23:13.54 | nevcairiel | noone besides the dev and asorted testers should ever use trunk |
| 23:13.57 | Grum | kek .. remove 90% harshness from that line :D |
| 23:14.10 | Grum | nevcairiel: no, trunk == stable |
| 23:14.17 | Grum | give me a reason why not? :) |
| 23:14.28 | nevcairiel | Grum: thats not the general use for "trunk" in real software development |
| 23:14.29 | NeoTron | Grum: as demonstrated by nevcairiel that is NOT always the case. there are different methologies |
| 23:14.36 | Grum | anyhow, we did this discussion like 10 times, there is no reason not to keep trunk stable |
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| 23:14.52 | Grum | NeoTron: in an env where trunk==release==downloaded by 10000000000000 people .. trunk HAS to be stable |
| 23:15.15 | Grum | its really simple, if you break trunk you break peoples addons, you create whines, if you do it on purpose you are a fucking ass in my book :) |
| 23:15.27 | nevcairiel | see thats the error here. i want testers for my new addon, so i put it up there, now people complain its not stable .. but i have no choice .. bad for them |
| 23:15.44 | Grum | if you want testers - do how we do it - poke people in here that use it |
| 23:15.46 | Grum | they will test it |
| 23:15.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Elsia: the user may not care, but the developer does. That said, if the user actually does not care, they have no right to be using code the author has not explicitly released :P |
| 23:15.57 | Grum | we devved gathermate/gatherhud/routes fully in branches |
| 23:15.59 | Grum | no-one had problems |
| 23:16.03 | Grum | and we push stable to trunk |
| 23:16.13 | nevcairiel | Grum: you dont get it =P |
| 23:16.16 | Elsia | there really are kinda of 3 stages though... coding that is happy with self-testing... branches stuff. code that is fairly complete but does need considerable testing to ensure stability and function in a broad range, that needs external testing. and stuff that has passed external testing and can live fairly stably. |
| 23:16.41 | Grum | nevcairiel: its known that the 'normal way of working' for 'some kind of people' doesnt go well with 'having turnk stable' but with the 'trunk is in zip' you just have to here |
| 23:16.44 | Thrae|Work | Grum: It's not pre-alpha, it's beta. To fix some issues, I had to recode TinyTip from scratch. I'm in the process of recoding the configuration GUI, keeping Dewdrop to speed the code to my users. I had a lot of complaints about the old version, and I have solved all those complaints. All of the complaints about the new version is that the configuration GUI isn't done yet, and I plan on finishing that up by this weekend. The whole "fiasco" has lasted ab |
| 23:16.44 | Elsia | we kinda do have 2 stages at the moment for these three, so it's kind of semantic which of the two is stable and which is dev, when we miss a third |
| 23:16.46 | Grum | if you dont, you are a cunt :) |
| 23:17.21 | nevcairiel | anyone who complains that he got a broken addon from WAU gets my comment about "dont use WAU if you want 100% stable" |
| 23:17.26 | nevcairiel | its just a broken approach |
| 23:18.05 | nevcairiel | and the dev should not need to worry about that |
| 23:18.05 | Elsia | 100% stable doesn't exist |
| 23:18.05 | Grum | Thrae|Work: work in branches, you finish branch and people here can jsut test it (or others - you provide a temp tarball orso) - do that you would have had 0 problems, 0 whines, and many many happy people |
| 23:18.05 | Elsia | for a lot of addons at least |
| 23:18.05 | Tuller | its possible to make the trunk stableish, obviously |
| 23:18.05 | Thrae|Work | Grum: I didn't put up TinyTip v0.2 to "prove a point". I put it up to fix issues a lot of people were having. Plain and simple. |
| 23:18.14 | Thrae|Work | Grum: That doesn't stop the people whining about the problems in v1.x... |
| 23:18.21 | Grum | Thrae|Work: fixing issues by pushing out a 'broken addon' is not 'right' :) |
| 23:18.29 | nevcairiel | tinytip wasnt broken |
| 23:18.30 | Thrae|Work | Grum: It wasn't broken. |
| 23:18.30 | Tuller | fubar'd! :P |
| 23:18.33 | Grum | you fix bugs in trunk and features in branches :P |
| 23:18.36 | nevcairiel | it just wasnt user-friendly :P |
| 23:18.39 | Grum | oh, so people could fully use it? |
| 23:18.44 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 23:18.48 | nevcairiel | you just have to edit a config file |
| 23:18.51 | Grum | so userfriend->not-userfriendly is not broken? |
| 23:18.51 | Grum | KEK |
| 23:18.52 | Thrae|Work | More-so then the old version. |
| 23:19.20 | Grum | 'sir your car drives 100mph faster now', 'but i cant start it!!!!' ... |
| 23:19.40 | nevcairiel | Everyone using WAU should expect that something may break. If they dont, they're stupid |
| 23:19.44 | Grum | the whines were justified and yes for most people the current system is suboptimal |
| 23:19.50 | Elsia | I think some inconvenience for users at time is just from a practical standpoint unavoidable... heck we are volunteers, we can't quality-certify our processes over hobby activities |
| 23:19.52 | Gnarfoz | it's Thrae's addon. if that really alienated any users, that's his problem, not yours. now will you please shut up? |
| 23:19.57 | Grum | nevcairiel: i agree, but devs can avoid shit like this completely |
| 23:20.05 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: everything beetween "everyone" and "stupid" is needless in that sentance. |
| 23:20.44 | Grum | it sjust a bit short sighted to say: 'i cant please everyone' and not even thinking about please 'as many as possible' .. just dont caring for it even |
| 23:20.57 | nevcairiel | libraries may update on SVN that might break your addon, and the dev doesnt even know about it, and he still gets yelled at |
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| 23:21.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd rather not please anyone, and do something right, than do something poorly and please everyone. |
| 23:21.25 | nevcairiel | I second that |
| 23:21.48 | Grum | yeah so the right way would have bene: please no-one (dont fix it) and then please everyone with a fully fixed version :P |
| 23:22.12 | Tuller | its basically hard to fix wau because it requires testing |
| 23:22.18 | Grum | versus: piss everybody off and still not have fixed it :P |
| 23:22.26 | nevcairiel | Personally, i dont code to please people, i do it for the practice and my own enjoyment. If people like the stuff i code, they're welcoem to use it, i even might provide support or add new features, but if i decide to change something, they need to accept that or stfu :P |
| 23:22.26 | Grum | Tuller: its not, you can checkout addons from branches |
| 23:22.26 | NeoTron | speaking of beta addons, what's the longer term status of Ace3? I.e it's fine to use it in a trunk-based addon right? Do the externals link to the branch or is Ace3 on the trunk now? |
| 23:22.30 | Thrae|Work | TinyTip just doesn't have an in-game configuration menu yet. Everything else is there. I weighed the number of people that would be upset at WAU (and only WAU, not the other addon distribution sites) having v0.2 with no in-game configuration menu vs the number of people upset at the bugs and lack of features they desparately wanted, and I came to my conclusion. Is it wrong to pander to the majority? |
| 23:22.57 | Grum | Thrae|Work: then dont publish on WAU? :D |
| 23:23.01 | Tuller | Grum: that requires testing |
| 23:23.12 | Grum | Tuller: and how is that a problem? seriously |
| 23:23.22 | Grum | we've tested shitloads of addons purely from branches |
| 23:23.24 | Gnarfoz | Grum: you're use of "everyone" is appalling. |
| 23:23.24 | Grum | whole Ace3 O.o |
| 23:23.26 | Tuller | because I use lib x, and lib x is not tested, it explodes :) |
| 23:23.40 | Thrae|Work | Grum: So, if I want to pander to the majority of my users, I shouldn't use WAU? |
| 23:23.45 | Grum | Tuller: then dont use that lib ;D |
| 23:23.45 | Tuller | you may test everything, but everything needs to be tested :) |
| 23:23.54 | Grum | Thrae|Work: dont put 'unstable' versions on WAU :D |
| 23:24.01 | Elsia | nite folks |
| 23:24.04 | Kaelten | Grum: I plan on fixing it by allowing multiple download options |
| 23:24.12 | nevcairiel | Like i said, WAU and the SVN need a new structure, svn needs a "release" part, call it tags if you want, and a "development" part, trunk maybe, then the fiels page needs to .zip BOTH up, and WAU should default to release, but offer to install dev if the user explicitly wants that |
| 23:24.14 | Grum | Kaelten: by tags likely? |
| 23:24.16 | nevcairiel | --> problem solved |
| 23:24.16 | Thrae|Work | Grum: Your definition of "unstable" is not the majority's. |
| 23:24.40 | Kaelten | Grum: I say let the users choose 'releases', or 'betas' more or less |
| 23:24.43 | Grum | Thrae|Work: did people complain? Yes; could you have avoid it? Yes; why didn't you? You didnt care less(?) |
| 23:24.46 | Diao | so who broke all my addons |
| 23:24.47 | Stanzilla | Kaelten: a simple "use beta versions" switch would be enough |
| 23:24.55 | Kaelten | Stanzilla: exactly |
| 23:24.55 | Diao | every time i join a raid i get spammed with addon messages |
| 23:24.56 | Stanzilla | on = trunk, off = tags |
| 23:24.59 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 23:25.00 | Diao | in my chat window |
| 23:25.03 | Nandini | nevcairiel: agreed, that is intuitive enough for most users, no matter how unsophisticated, to understand |
| 23:25.17 | Thrae|Work | Grum: I have gotten more positive feedback then negative with v0.2. Before, I was getting negative feedback due to the bugs. |
| 23:25.30 | Chaud | Isn't it is on the users to make sure their addons work and they don't donwload something that doesn't work as they would like? |
| 23:25.38 | Grum | Thrae|Work: yeah but fixing it completely before pushing it out would have killed all of the 'negative feedback' :) |
| 23:25.44 | Grum | killer .. prevented even |
| 23:25.46 | Thrae|Work | Grum: People were complaining before I did anything. People always complain. You cannot avoid that. |
| 23:25.48 | nevcairiel | I like the new version, even tho i had to do the config like 2 times already because Thrae moved the config again =P |
| 23:25.59 | Gnarfoz | it's sophisticated whiners like Grum that are really annoying :D he's long since got his point across, but he won't shut the fuck up until he's certain he's convinced you of it |
| 23:26.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Sooo.. Change of topic. I'm noticing a difference in scaling of a frame, depending on if a parent it to UIParent or if I parent it to another frame I've created.. what's up with that? |
| 23:26.32 | nevcairiel | people that cant stfu at all are the worst |
| 23:26.48 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: frames inherit the scale of their parent |
| 23:26.52 | Tuller | NightHawkTheSane: scaling is multiplied |
| 23:26.58 | Tuller | GetEffectiveScale |
| 23:27.09 | NightHawkTheSane | I see. hmm. |
| 23:27.12 | Thrae|Work | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, and UIParent has like a scale of 0.99723189612874628...some number different then 1 |
| 23:27.26 | nevcairiel | doesnt UIParent have the UIScale you set? |
| 23:27.31 | Tuller | 0.70 |
| 23:27.33 | Tuller | but realy |
| 23:27.37 | Tuller | 0.69982193819238912830 |
| 23:27.58 | Tuller | except i think its 0.7 for me since i actually manually set it to that variable |
| 23:28.02 | Thrae|Work | Tuller: It defaults to 0.7 when you don't have scaling set? |
| 23:28.09 | nevcairiel | default is 1.0 :P |
| 23:28.11 | Tuller | it does for me because i set it to that :P |
| 23:28.13 | Tuller | default is 1 |
| 23:28.20 | Nandini | yup that's the scale i use for 1:1 pixel to "screen unit" correpsondence at my resolution (0.7) |
| 23:28.23 | Thrae|Work | I remember it being a little less then 1. |
| 23:28.44 | Tuller | Thrae|Work: if you adjust it it goes into "floating point numbers are wacky" mode :) |
| 23:28.58 | Thrae|Work | Ah, perhaps that's it./ |
| 23:29.15 | harldephin | isn't that the "floating point numbers are sexy" mode? |
| 23:29.24 | nevcairiel | that mode doesnt exist tbh |
| 23:29.31 | Nandini | oh wait it's actually 0.75 to get my 2560x1024 resolution to fit (it comes out as 2560x1023.976something screen units) |
| 23:30.00 | Thrae|Work | Nandini: What do you mean by "to fit"? |
| 23:30.01 | Gnarfoz | I think mine reset to 0.89998981855125whatever even though I set it to 0.9 manually :< |
| 23:30.30 | nevcairiel | you just have to open the config panel once and hit save, and it'll change your number <.< |
| 23:30.32 | Thrae|Work | I have a resolution of 2560x1600, and I just leave the scaling turned off. |
| 23:30.49 | Nandini | i like my pixels on screen to reflect texture pixel size, so if i have a 256x256 pixel texture parented to UIParent, the UIScale must be 0.75 for it to show up as 256x256 on screen |
| 23:31.01 | harldephin | i've set mine to 0.64 a few days after i started playin the game and since then it's been like that and i'm happy and that's it. |
| 23:31.25 | NightHawkTheSane | So, is it a good idea to just parent my "anchor" frames to UIParent by default? |
| 23:31.53 | Nandini | yes, because who knows where players may have moved any other frame you might choose |
| 23:32.07 | harldephin | what else would you want to parent them to anyway |
| 23:32.07 | Nandini | (minimapcluster is a frequent target of anchors, and i hate that!) |
| 23:32.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I've just been leaving the parent parameter blank :P |
| 23:32.40 | Nandini | then it defaults to the nearest anchor point of UIParent |
| 23:32.53 | NightHawkTheSane | which hasn't been an issue for me until trying to re-parent some frames, and seeing odd scaling, but oh well. |
| 23:33.01 | harldephin | hm |
| 23:33.12 | Thrae|Work | Nandini: So what would you recommend for 2560x1600? 0.73? |
| 23:33.22 | NightHawkTheSane | It's not actually a huge deal, just a matter of changing a few numbers here and there. |
| 23:33.35 | Nandini | it scales based on width, so i'd say 0.75 should give you the nearest approximation to 2560x1600 as well |
| 23:33.42 | Nandini | (i think) |
| 23:33.44 | nevcairiel | you should always parent to UIParent (directly or indirectly) - for UIScale to apply, and for the "hide my UI" key binding to hide your stuff too |
| 23:34.13 | sag_ich_nicht | and also to not break the damn system |
| 23:34.28 | harldephin | i'd much more prefer a default anchor of some kind than my frames floating around at wacky default positions or no positions at all, probably causing errors when being repositioned. |
| 23:34.35 | Nandini | is it even possible to parent things to the world frame? |
| 23:34.42 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: good to know, thanks |
| 23:34.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Nandini: yes |
| 23:35.03 | Nandini | i suppose things like the FPS readout are parented to it |
| 23:35.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Nandini: well, until you show up nameplates |
| 23:35.11 | Thrae|Work | Nandini: I was going by the difference between 1024x768 and 2560x1600 ratios, considering that 1024x768 is a common resolution to dev upon. I already get 60+ FPS at max settings w/ 2560x1600, so anything to make the textures look a little better would be cool. |
| 23:35.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Nandini: nameplates are also anchored to it |
| 23:36.49 | charon | Gnarfoz: 0.899999976158142 ? |
| 23:37.20 | charon | (which would be the closest representation of 0.9 in ieee single precision) |
| 23:37.25 | Gnarfoz | charon: I don't know the exact number right now |
| 23:37.32 | Gnarfoz | closest? |
| 23:37.39 | charon | well, floats are saved in base 2 |
| 23:37.39 | Gnarfoz | why not just use 0.9? :D |
| 23:37.41 | NeoTron | has anyone made such a beast? :P |
| 23:37.58 | charon | 0.9 has an infinite base 2 expansion, much like 1/3 does in base 10 |
| 23:37.59 | Nandini | there is no 0.9 in a floating point single |
| 23:38.01 | CIA-9 | 03azymuth * r63187 10CombatDnd/ (CombatDnd.toc locales/frFR.lua locales/locales.xml): CombatDnd: Localized in French. |
| 23:38.03 | harldephin | (Cellular's nice btw) |
| 23:38.17 | Gnarfoz | well... whoever thought of that should probably be shot then |
| 23:38.25 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 23:38.36 | charon | so whoever thought of base 10 should be shot for not having an exact finite representation of 1/3? :) |
| 23:39.04 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I'd like to see a FormLayout, but I don't think anybody is that brave :p |
| 23:39.19 | KarlThePagan | Gnarfoz, 2's compliment > you |
| 23:39.26 | Nandini | i think it's just because GPUs do their quickest work in floating point math |
| 23:39.28 | Gnarfoz | KarlThePagan: complement > you? |
| 23:39.32 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 23:39.38 | harldephin | numbers suck. and so does everything else. |
| 23:39.42 | KarlThePagan | TWO'S COMPLIMENT |
| 23:39.45 | KarlThePagan | wikipedia go now |
| 23:39.48 | Gnarfoz | harldephin: your mom? |
| 23:39.59 | harldephin | Gnarfoz: i love my mom. |
| 23:40.11 | charon | KarlThePagan: it does redirect to two's complEment if you haven't noticed |
| 23:40.23 | KarlThePagan | heh |
| 23:40.29 | Gnarfoz | charon: thanks for doing the finishing stab |
| 23:40.30 | NeoTron | I think I just need to make a custom widget that represents a row |
| 23:40.40 | KarlThePagan | insert asinine made up quote regarding spelling and grammar |
| 23:40.45 | charon | i read this nice limerick in knuth lecture notes somewhere, however |
| 23:40.53 | Gnarfoz | harldephin: I *could* ask "...physically?", but I'm not sag_ich_nicht ;p |
| 23:40.54 | NeoTron | using fixed size widgets it'll be good enough |
| 23:40.55 | charon | This algorithm to count bits |
| 23:40.56 | charon | Rotates VALUE one left and sums its |
| 23:40.56 | charon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.56 | charon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.56 | charon | Repeats WORDLENGTH times, then exits. |
| 23:41.02 | charon | (excuse the spam) |
| 23:41.03 | Chaud | Is there a way to achieve transparent window backgrounds while maintaining border/text/menu opacity in windows XP with any software? |
| 23:41.10 | charon | now go prove the algorithm is correct! |
| 23:41.20 | KarlThePagan | sorry did that in CS 382 |
| 23:41.26 | Diao | whoa |
| 23:41.28 | sag_ich_nicht | [00:40] <Gnarfoz> harldephin: I *could* ask "...physically?", but I'm not sag_ich_nicht ;p <--stop being a pussy |
| 23:41.29 | Diao | that was the weirdest arena ever |
| 23:41.34 | sag_ich_nicht | you wanted to say it anyway and did so indirectly |
| 23:41.38 | Diao | someone explain how a mage can have shadowform |
| 23:41.38 | KarlThePagan | and it's been a few years ;) |
| 23:41.39 | sag_ich_nicht | because you think it's "clever" |
| 23:41.49 | Diao | an undead mage* |
| 23:41.55 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: actually, it was clever and annoyed you just as much as I expected ;D |
| 23:42.14 | KarlThePagan | Diao, transporter malfunction likely |
| 23:42.23 | KarlThePagan | debuffs don't get wiped out when you enter arenas |
| 23:42.26 | Diao | hm |
| 23:42.31 | Diao | i didn't see the debuff on him though |
| 23:42.44 | Diao | ah well |
| 23:42.51 | Chaud | Blame pitbull aura module =p |
| 23:42.53 | KarlThePagan | my rogue friend does it all the times |
| 23:42.55 | KarlThePagan | *time |
| 23:43.11 | KarlThePagan | so it looks like he's permanently CloS |
| 23:43.14 | Chaud | Tauren rogue wins, along with tauren mage |
| 23:43.28 | KarlThePagan | ahahh word |
| 23:43.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: actually you're a dumbass |
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| 23:44.02 | harldephin | Gnarfoz: right. going physical: http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/216/6/1/Bite_My_Shiny_Metal_Ass_by_Red_Flare.jpg |
| 23:44.18 | Thrae|Work | I've said it before and I'll say it again...Tauren Rogue: *clomp* *clomp* *clomp* *BACKSTAB* *clomp* *clomp* *clomp* |
| 23:44.22 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: that's not entirely impossible, but at least I'm not considered one of the worst and annoying trolls in here ;D |
| 23:44.32 | harldephin | but no, i don't have an intimate relation with my own mother. thanks for reading. |
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| 23:44.53 | Nandini | i'm working hard on upping my annoying factor, any suggestions? |
| 23:45.29 | Chaud | Edit more pictures to amuse me and annoy others, like http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7210/obamamr5.jpg |
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| 23:45.42 | Gnarfoz | Nandini: egocentrism is a plus |
| 23:45.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: hey, i worked hard for that reputation |
| 23:45.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Nandini: i suggest cynicism and misanthropy |
| 23:45.52 | NightHawkTheSane | always works for me |
| 23:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | also i'm not a bad troll |
| 23:46.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm quite successful actually |
| 23:46.41 | sag_ich_nicht | metatrolling ckk and ... a few days ago was awesome |
| 23:46.52 | ckknight | ? |
| 23:46.58 | kenlyric | clever |
| 23:47.00 | kenlyric | ... |
| 23:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | wee, my addon now properly hides/shows itself when resting/not resting |
| 23:47.05 | ckknight | does Ellipsis need to get involved here? |
| 23:47.15 | NightHawkTheSane | (unimpresive, i know :P) |
| 23:47.23 | Gnarfoz | kenlyric: he's got his moments ;p |
| 23:47.45 | kenlyric | bah! tomtom throws an error on startup too |
| 23:47.48 | kenlyric | ~critfail |
| 23:48.07 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i couldn't care less |
| 23:48.15 | Nandini | gj nighthawk, that's a feature i wish a lot of addons had |
| 23:48.22 | sag_ich_nicht | you know you love me secretly and envy my trolling talent |
| 23:48.23 | sag_ich_nicht | <3 |
| 23:48.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Nandini: it really is rather trivial to implement >.> |
| 23:48.39 | kenlyric | does your mod feed hunter pets? |
| 23:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i just finally got around to doing it, cause it really annoyed me :) |
| 23:48.51 | NightHawkTheSane | no:P |
| 23:48.59 | Nandini | maybe trivial to implement, but brilliant to have considered at least :) |
| 23:50.20 | Nandini | so many things i'd like to just yell at and say "get off my screen!" when i'm in town chatting. i could make something to hide them myself i suppose |
| 23:51.06 | sag_ich_nicht | it's like i have a fucking toggle in my head for activly stupid/not stupid |
| 23:51.08 | Nandini | but as soon as i did that, i'm sure i'd need one of them and have to unhide it |
| 23:51.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, thats more or less why I bothered to. The addon is a fairly basic buff reminder, but I don't care about missing buffs in towns, and it got -very- annoying to have that constantly in the center of my screen |
| 23:51.16 | sag_ich_nicht | so i don't even need to think up something stupid |
| 23:51.19 | sag_ich_nicht | i just turn it on! |
| 23:53.11 | CIA-9 | 03nemes * r63188 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/Editbox.lua: |
| 23:53.11 | CIA-9 | Prat: |
| 23:53.11 | CIA-9 | - Fix issue with editbox header showing after UI hide such as minimap, interface options, when autohide is disabled |
| 23:53.27 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis have you considered using a Feeldoe for that? |
| 23:53.36 | sag_ich_nicht | (protip: if you're at work, don't google that) |
| 23:54.04 | Ellipsis | lulz |
| 23:54.44 | Thrae|Work | I love SmartBuff myself. Makes buffing OOC very easy and gives reminders otherwise. |
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| 23:58.07 | NeoTron | is there an addon that could enable/disable addons based on if I'm in a raid or not? |
| 23:58.33 | NeoTron | I don't mind if I had to reload inbetween but I'd like to configure addons I just want to disable in each situation and just have to /rl after the situation changes |
| 23:59.21 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: you can set up addon sets to switch between in ACP or something |
| 23:59.55 | Kypp | neo, sounds possible given http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#AddOn_Functions |
