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| 00:00.56 | NeoTron | Ellipsis: yeah I tried it before. I guess I can look at it again |
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| 00:04.32 | WobWork | <3 ACP |
| 00:04.42 | WobWork | it makes testing code changes so much easier |
| 00:05.27 | Diao | so.. who forgot to disable their debug code |
| 00:05.36 | Diao | :( |
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| 00:07.32 | Yssaril | xinhuan how do i set the color of a texture? (using your line.tga as texture :) ) |
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| 00:08.43 | WobWork | SetVertexColor |
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| 00:09.34 | Yssaril | thanks WobWork |
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| 00:19.15 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63189 10oRA2/Leader/Invite.lua: oRA2: Leader/Invite: Fix rank invites. |
| 00:20.32 | vhaarr | Kaelten: groups.google.com/group/wowace seemed to have stopped updating, and lots like 40k of the last commits, it's back to rev 20788 as the last commit. |
| 00:20.42 | vhaarr | lost* |
| 00:21.43 | NeoTron | hmm what was wrong with the rank invites? I use them every raid night :P |
| 00:21.56 | Dashkal | Is there a way to get at another player's focus? something like a unitid of "targetfocus"? |
| 00:22.05 | vhaarr | NeoTron: they have only been broken since yesterday |
| 00:22.09 | kd3 | nope. focus is local to you |
| 00:22.13 | vhaarr | Dashkal: no |
| 00:22.26 | Dashkal | sweet |
| 00:22.43 | NeoTron | vhaarr: ah so nothing with my original patch. something/one broke it |
| 00:22.55 | vhaarr | "patch"? |
| 00:23.02 | vhaarr | NeoTron: I broke it yesterday, and fixed it again now. |
| 00:23.03 | NeoTron | I wrote the rank invite code |
| 00:23.08 | vhaarr | ah |
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| 00:23.20 | vhaarr | actually I think the original patch was flawed as well |
| 00:23.25 | vhaarr | but I don't remember exactly |
| 00:23.26 | NeoTron | when I was tired of non-raider scrubs accepting raid invites |
| 00:23.32 | NeoTron | well might be but it DID work :P |
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| 00:23.44 | theoddone33 | someone just told me that ggilbert died |
| 00:23.48 | theoddone33 | dunno if anyone in here heard that |
| 00:23.54 | vhaarr | NeoTron: I made it so it accepts rank names as well, case insensitive |
| 00:23.57 | NeoTron | theoddone33: indeed |
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| 00:24.15 | NeoTron | it accepted names, but was case sensitive |
| 00:24.20 | vhaarr | NeoTron: and if you only invite ranks that can see officer chat and over, the message will be printed in officer chat instead of guild chat now. |
| 00:24.28 | NeoTron | nice |
| 00:24.42 | Lemming2K | does your personal rating reset to the team rating if you join a team with lower rating? |
| 00:24.44 | NeoTron | should make sure ora3 get the same patches |
| 00:24.50 | Diao | it resets to 1500 |
| 00:24.53 | Diao | whenever you leave/join a team |
| 00:25.08 | Lemming2K | thx |
| 00:25.36 | NeoTron | theoddone33: heart attack ( http://www.zinkwazi.com/wp/2008/02/28/greg-gerg-gilbert/ ) |
| 00:25.59 | theoddone33 | saw that |
| 00:26.01 | theoddone33 | very sad |
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| 00:26.44 | HotFO-blama | does anyone know of a mod that will disply debuffs that I can clense really big on the middle of my screen? |
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| 00:32.12 | chiper | healbot, decursive, grid, smartdebuff. take your pick |
| 00:33.06 | WobWork | I like Grid |
| 00:33.19 | Gngsk | I like turtles |
| 00:34.03 | NightHawkTheSane | I like your mom. |
| 00:34.31 | Gngsk | cadavers need love too |
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| 00:35.31 | Thrae|Work | WobWork: The only problem I have with Grid is that my UI is already a mish-mash of other unit frame addons...PerfectRaid for raid and party frames, agUF for Player, Target, ToT, and Party and Raid pets, and SmartBuff for automatic buffing OOC. |
| 00:36.34 | chiper | smartbuff doesnt have unit frames |
| 00:36.35 | Chompers | i like grid too |
| 00:36.42 | chiper | smartDEbuff does |
| 00:37.00 | Thrae|Work | chiper: I don't use it for buffing in-combat, I use Clique for that |
| 00:37.00 | WobWork | I like ponies |
| 00:37.21 | chiper | thrae: that's my point |
| 00:37.30 | EvilJohn__ | ponies rock |
| 00:37.38 | WobWork | It's true |
| 00:37.51 | WobWork | in fact the best warcry I've heard for a while is: "FOR PONY!" |
| 00:38.05 | chiper | WobWork: very true |
| 00:38.52 | WobWork | If we hadn't already changed our guildname |
| 00:38.55 | WobWork | I'd suggest that |
| 00:39.03 | chiper | I'd much rather have FOR PONY! as my /charge emote then FOR GNOMEREGAR! |
| 00:39.36 | WobWork | but <Big In Japan> has it's positives |
| 00:39.53 | chiper | what is that a reference to? i keep seeing it |
| 00:40.06 | WobWork | You may not have heard of us |
| 00:40.09 | WobWork | But we're Big in Japan |
| 00:40.27 | chiper | yes, i know the full quote, i'm curious where it came from |
| 00:40.32 | Yssaril | WobWork: what do you think http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1686/healthbartest1kn7.jpg its gonna be a health bar that is circular (it is generated by 315 line textures each colored differently :) ) |
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| 00:41.51 | WobWork | Yssaril: It looks very cool |
| 00:42.06 | WobWork | but what's the processing involved in redrawing those 315lines each frame? |
| 00:42.35 | WobWork | If it's feasible, I might steal your concept to make the rogueometer =) |
| 00:42.51 | WobWork | I was eventually going to use some settexcoord hax to get the circular texture |
| 00:42.58 | WobWork | but your way may be more effective =) |
| 00:43.15 | Cryect | the processing involved is a lot |
| 00:43.25 | Yssaril | no idea didnt really impact anything that i noticed also to change the health all i have to do is hides some 'lines' |
| 00:43.41 | Cryect | ah you just hiding then |
| 00:43.51 | Yssaril | Cryect: the process to initially generate them is involved yes but thats about it :) |
| 00:43.53 | Cryect | as long as you only hide and show it shouldn't be bad |
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| 00:44.31 | Yssaril | was thinking of making it collaps (rotate) towards 0 wich would be a neat effect |
| 00:44.48 | Cryect | ? |
| 00:45.15 | Cryect | collapse meaning the color consolidates towards 0? |
| 00:45.16 | Yssaril | decrease the angel between each line untill it ultimatly reaches 0 :) |
| 00:45.24 | Nandini | a long time ago i made a rotating semicircular statusbar replacement |
| 00:45.26 | Cryect | I wouldn't do that |
| 00:45.26 | kenlyric | dang, tofu doesn't hook into mapster |
| 00:45.32 | Cryect | if you actually move them |
| 00:45.41 | Cryect | it makes the frame setup code activate |
| 00:45.45 | Cryect | which isn't very efficienet |
| 00:46.14 | Nandini | btw cryect, why does m2modder impose a 15-char limit on texture paths in m2 models? |
| 00:46.26 | Cryect | could just do the same thing with changing the colors |
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| 00:46.29 | Cryect | and hiding and showing |
| 00:46.41 | Yssaril | Cryect: i have come up with a way to cache rotations so once it has collapes once all the number crunching would be done with :) |
| 00:46.45 | Cryect | because it takes advantage of the 16 byte aligning in M2 |
| 00:46.45 | Cryect | 's |
| 00:46.53 | Cryect | for data |
| 00:47.06 | Cryect | so 15 bytes + 1 byte for the null at the end of the c string |
| 00:47.11 | WobWork | Yssaril: what's wrong with hiding it? |
| 00:47.11 | Yssaril | but yea changing colors will probably be the easiest way to do it :) |
| 00:47.13 | Nandini | ahh, i seem to be able to hex edit new paths in that match the length of the original path with no problems |
| 00:47.17 | WobWork | Or just changing the colours |
| 00:47.23 | Yssaril | WobWork: absolutley nothing :P |
| 00:47.37 | WobWork | Better than moving, imo =) |
| 00:48.35 | Cryect | Yssaril: as long as the bounds of the box doesn't change that should be fine but the problem is if the width/height/position of the box the line is using changes then you hit the frame setup code which is more expensive than anything else you are prolly calculating |
| 00:49.07 | Nandini | i suppose i am lucky the original path was 32 characters long, that gives me an extra 31 to play with :) |
| 00:49.07 | Cryect | you can prolly calculate the texture coords for over 100 lines in the time it take sto setup just one texture's position :-/ |
| 00:49.48 | Nandini | agreed, the math for texcoords and rotation is amazingly fast |
| 00:50.20 | Cryect | Nandini, its really just there because I didn't feel like loading up the entire file and then rewriting :-p hence its only called m2modder so it just modifies bytes in place |
| 00:51.00 | Nandini | Cryect: i'm glad i picked a model then that can accomodate the longer paths needed to textures under Interface\Addons |
| 00:51.05 | Cryect | haha |
| 00:51.16 | Cryect | what are you modifying? |
| 00:51.22 | Nandini | just pings |
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| 00:51.38 | Nandini | renaming them, replacing their textures, playing around with the animations |
| 00:51.42 | Cryect | ah |
| 00:51.50 | Nandini | so nothing "illegal" |
| 00:51.59 | Nandini | all stuff that started out under Interface\ |
| 00:52.06 | Yssaril | shit i jsut found a bug in my rotation code sigh |
| 00:52.08 | Cryect | I think using that program prolly falls under illegal according to the EULA :-p |
| 00:52.24 | Nandini | program? what program? i see no program... |
| 00:52.27 | Cryect | hehe |
| 00:52.53 | Nandini | true, i am modifying and reusing their artwork, but only within WoW |
| 00:53.01 | Cryect | yep :-p |
| 00:53.12 | Nandini | people do that all the time with textures, why not do it with models that are only used in UI elements |
| 00:53.18 | Cryect | No one is going to sue you though |
| 00:53.18 | Yssaril | http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7673/roationbugtu1.jpg <-- somthing got screwed up i think :P |
| 00:53.19 | Cryect | yep! |
| 00:53.47 | Nandini | i think if there were ever an allowable case for model editing, this would be it |
| 00:53.48 | Cryect | I was wondering if someone would ever get around to creating custom models for GUI's |
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| 00:54.09 | WobWork | Yssaril: Does look cool though =) |
| 00:54.37 | Nandini | i'd love to add some of my very own models, but 3ds2m2 doesn't seem to agree with me |
| 00:54.46 | Yssaril | WobWork: yea (but i was going for a circular rotation there :P) |
| 00:54.56 | Nandini | so i'll take what is already available and slash and burn until i'm left with something i like |
| 00:54.57 | WobWork | I'd like a funky wrought iron looking minimap arrow |
| 00:55.06 | Cryect | Well the bigger issues with 3dsm2 is the limitations of things like animations don't really work etc |
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| 00:55.24 | Cryect | Actually the bigger issues is finding a program that creates 3ds files to the full 3ds file spec |
| 00:55.41 | WobWork | I remember trying to use the ping model as a texture for my IM attempt |
| 00:55.44 | Nandini | i have a solid looking player arrow now and a set of solid rotating edge arrows |
| 00:55.48 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63190 10oRA2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): oRA2: Removed PaintChips-2.0. |
| 00:55.52 | WobWork | Cryect: perhaps... 3DS? |
| 00:56.04 | Cryect | Perhaps but doubt many people want to use a DOS program |
| 00:56.12 | Nandini | ping is suprisingly resilient, and uses simple enough animations that you can use a variety of textures and come up with neat effects |
| 00:56.22 | Cryect | but 3dsmax on the otherhand doesn't export to 3ds very well |
| 00:56.46 | Nandini | if you don't want something spinning, put a transparent texture for the spinning texture |
| 00:56.56 | Nandini | if you dont want something exploding, leave the exploding texture blank |
| 00:57.21 | Cryect | heh and if you want you can also use pinject and pextract to add particle effects to models to use on your UI :-p |
| 00:57.24 | Nandini | i made a very cool infinite spiral kind of optical illusion, but it's not that great at 1.0 scale |
| 00:57.49 | Nandini | "what's that blur on my minimap? it's oddly mesmerizing. oh, it's a ping. now it's gone" |
| 00:58.47 | Nandini | i put one of those windcatcher doodads behind my minimap in a model frame, it looked pretty cool |
| 00:58.59 | Nandini | but it was very distracting |
| 00:59.06 | WobWork | ooo |
| 00:59.07 | WobWork | shiny |
| 00:59.17 | Nandini | or dreamcatchers i guess |
| 01:00.41 | Nandini | it bothers me that the ping fadeout code has been wrong for like 4 years now apparently |
| 01:01.03 | Nandini | it doesn't fade much, it just disappears |
| 01:01.21 | NeoTron | I just use PingDirection |
| 01:01.31 | Cryect | there is fadeout code for ping? |
| 01:01.49 | statue | any add-ons that extend macro length? |
| 01:01.53 | Nandini | yup, the ping is supposed to display for 5 seconds then fade from 1.0 to over 0.5 seconds |
| 01:02.14 | Nandini | but unforunately, it fades from 255 to 0 over 0.5 seconds |
| 01:02.23 | Nandini | so it really only goes below 1.0 for a frame or two |
| 01:02.53 | Cryect | you can fade using 255 to 0 if you want just have to make sure the numbers are int but I'm guessing they dont |
| 01:03.13 | Cryect | Or I think that worked been a while :-p |
| 01:03.18 | Cryect | besides I prefer 1.0 to 0.0 |
| 01:03.39 | Nandini | it uses frame:SetAlpha(), with 255 multiplied by a float |
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| 01:03.53 | Cryect | whoops :-p |
| 01:04.01 | Cryect | guess report it on the forums |
| 01:04.13 | NeoTron | is the float between 1 and 0? :P |
| 01:04.22 | Nandini | the float is between 0 and 1 yes |
| 01:04.58 | NeoTron | so basically remove [255*] and it'd work as intended |
| 01:05.10 | Nandini | i did report it on the forums and iriel said it would get mentioned http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4972917268&sid=1 |
| 01:05.37 | Nandini | yea removing the 255 produces what i believe is the intended effect |
| 01:06.23 | ckknight | Nandini: your Chinchilla ticket that refers to the 255* thing will likely get done, btw |
| 01:06.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ... this -may- be new levels of nerditry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke9kxb_H-ac |
| 01:07.30 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 01:07.37 | Nandini | that would be neat, i think you could put pings in square corners at the very least that way |
| 01:07.42 | ckknight | right |
| 01:07.46 | ckknight | was planning on it ;-) |
| 01:07.53 | ckknight | have it listen to GetMinimapShape() |
| 01:08.25 | Cryect | yeah it works fine I've done it before when playing around with the minimap back in IMBA |
| 01:08.35 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63191 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: fixed a bug in re-parenting |
| 01:08.36 | Cryect | back when I also used the minimap to transmit positions of players etc :-p |
| 01:08.55 | ckknight | Nandini: not sure about having arrows for far away pings, though |
| 01:09.02 | ckknight | not sure how viable that is |
| 01:09.07 | Nandini | yeah or even useful |
| 01:09.17 | Nandini | i don't know if your client even gets notified of pings that are far away from you |
| 01:09.26 | Nandini | i guess if you hooked it, you'd find out! |
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| 01:09.43 | Zhinjio | Good evening, ckknight |
| 01:10.07 | ckknight | howdy, Zhinjio |
| 01:10.30 | Ellipsis | aww, I don't get a greeting? |
| 01:10.31 | Cryect | Nandini: it does |
| 01:10.48 | Cryect | Nandini: you get responded to pings from people in different instances even |
| 01:10.49 | Zhinjio | ELLIPSIS!!! I LOVE YOU! |
| 01:10.56 | Ellipsis | aww :3 |
| 01:11.10 | NeoTron | see |
| 01:11.17 | NeoTron | this is a meeting I'd love to see in real life |
| 01:11.21 | ckknight | Zhinjio: she's mine! |
| 01:11.25 | ckknight | Nandini: not you, too! |
| 01:11.28 | Zhinjio | um. |
| 01:11.33 | NeoTron | especially the slap, tickle and lick |
| 01:11.39 | NeoTron | youtube it |
| 01:11.43 | ckknight | peepulz trying to steel mah womenz |
| 01:11.55 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: you should see me and ckknight, it's quite violent and fun |
| 01:11.57 | Zhinjio | yeah, so ... I'm married. You have nothing to worry about. |
| 01:11.58 | break19 | spell it right.. wiimenz |
| 01:12.06 | break19 | err i cant type |
| 01:12.07 | Ellipsis | I tickle him, he spanks me as punishment... |
| 01:12.10 | break19 | wimminz |
| 01:12.14 | Nandini | disclaimer: all my slaps and tickles are hereby officially reserved for my lovely wife who is dear to my heart and i would never upset by making careless playful remarks to other women on the internet |
| 01:12.23 | Zhinjio | further, I'm kind of not really with the whole "possession" of people thing. |
| 01:12.34 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 01:12.36 | break19 | lol.. she reading over your shoulder isnt she. |
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| 01:12.38 | NeoTron | only online |
| 01:12.40 | Cryect | ;) |
| 01:12.52 | Nandini | yes, she is keeping me company now |
| 01:12.54 | Hjalte | Is there any way to sort by buyout at the auction house? |
| 01:13.26 | Nandini | i guess i didn't realize how suggestive a "slap and a tickle" actually was |
| 01:13.33 | break19 | auctioneer can do it. so thats a tes. |
| 01:14.00 | break19 | meh, ... yes. dont type onehanded when you're used to both hands.. |
| 01:14.08 | Ellipsis | go ahead Nandini, keep backpedaling |
| 01:14.18 | Hjalte | Okay, anything besides Auctioneer, maybe something smaller? :) |
| 01:14.24 | Nandini | you're supposed to say something supportive of my naive innocence at this point |
| 01:14.30 | Ellipsis | oh, am I? |
| 01:14.46 | break19 | uhm. ok.. in the context of the convo, I guess what I said might seem a little... off.. i'm eating a sandwich.. so.. its in my other hand.. |
| 01:15.01 | Cryect | Nandini, you sure didn't seem innocent or naive last night |
| 01:15.02 | Nandini | lol she just walked off to finish dinner, i should probably go help her :) |
| 01:15.11 | Ellipsis | pfft |
| 01:15.15 | NightHawkTheSane | break19: wait, if you're eating a sandwich with that hand, how are you tping? |
| 01:15.17 | Ellipsis | kitchens is for the wimmenz |
| 01:15.19 | break19 | yea.. that'd help restore you.. |
| 01:15.24 | break19 | 1handed. |
| 01:15.37 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:11] <@ckknight> peepulz trying to steel mah womenz <--yeah, i'd like to steel Ellipsis |
| 01:15.41 | break19 | sandwich in 1, typing with the other. |
| 01:15.47 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: oh baby, bring it on |
| 01:15.58 | Nandini | break19: then who is that touching you under the table? |
| 01:15.59 | NightHawkTheSane | sag_ich_nicht: oh, but why, women like her are a dime a dozen, and not worth half of it :P |
| 01:16.03 | break19 | but I've finished now.. |
| 01:16.04 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 01:16.09 | Ellipsis | heya MoonWitch, long time no see :P |
| 01:16.14 | MoonWitch | hey :) |
| 01:16.26 | Thrae|Work | Hjalte: What's wrong with Auctioneer? It's Load On Demand, and only loads when the Auction House window opens. |
| 01:16.26 | break19 | aint no table.. I'm in my recliner with my laptop on my lap. fail. :) |
| 01:16.28 | MoonWitch | I am going to say night to my dogs and all, then some long overdue wow time. :) |
| 01:16.29 | sag_ich_nicht | NightHawkTheSane: slutty, intelligent AND educated? not so much |
| 01:16.40 | NightHawkTheSane | sag_ich_nicht: well.. 1/3 is close, i guess |
| 01:17.03 | MoonWitch | see you scared off ag' |
| 01:17.10 | Hjalte | Thrae|Work: Hmm. I haven't used it in a long time. I'm not even having an auction addon at the moment, besides Fence. I just didn't see the need for all the stuff Auctioneer can do. |
| 01:17.23 | break19 | "zomg, auctioneer uses memory!@" yes, but unless you're scanning the AH, its not using much, if any, cpu.. which is what matters. |
| 01:17.33 | Ellipsis | NightHawkTheSane: I totally appreciate your comments, thanks <3 |
| 01:17.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: anything for my 3rd favorite internet slut. |
| 01:17.49 | MoonWitch | poor Ellipsis |
| 01:17.50 | NeoTron | the database that keeps track of past auctions (beancounter) can get pretty damn large as a prospector |
| 01:17.52 | Thrae|Work | Hjalte: Auctioneer has been broken into separate LoD modules that can be disabled if you so choose. It's a good rolemodel for large addons. |
| 01:17.59 | WobWork | oh man |
| 01:18.02 | WobWork | 3rd =( |
| 01:18.07 | WobWork | doesn't even rate second |
| 01:18.16 | Hjalte | Thrae|Work: I'll try it out now then. Thanks for the heads up. |
| 01:18.18 | Ellipsis | brb, killing myself |
| 01:18.19 | Ellipsis | :) |
| 01:18.25 | MoonWitch | .... I am just glad I am not in his list |
| 01:18.37 | NeoTron | MoonWitch: maybe you're number 1? |
| 01:18.40 | WobWork | MoonWitch: don't worry |
| 01:18.42 | MoonWitch | I hope not |
| 01:18.43 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 01:18.50 | WobWork | There appears to be an opening coming up for third =P |
| 01:18.52 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: hey, it takes a lot more than just your average sluttiness to make the top 3 :P |
| 01:19.08 | MoonWitch | then I won't ever appear in the list, Night ;) |
| 01:19.22 | MoonWitch | I don't meet the slut requirement |
| 01:19.34 | NightHawkTheSane | MoonWitch: well, yeah, thats kind of a pre-requisite, i suppose :P |
| 01:19.38 | WobWork | clearly you're not trying hard enough =) |
| 01:19.51 | MoonWitch | reborn .. but still virgin |
| 01:19.52 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 01:20.21 | NeoTron | MoonWitch: still got res sickness? |
| 01:20.31 | break19 | there's 3 virgins in this house right now.. 1 is my 6mo old daugher.. the other two are my dogs.. |
| 01:21.04 | MoonWitch | 2 in this one, my 7 yo sister, and our female dog... |
| 01:21.15 | MoonWitch | oh and our bunny and bearded dragon too |
| 01:21.31 | Cryect | bearded dragon? |
| 01:21.32 | sag_ich_nicht | *to kill herself |
| 01:21.35 | WobWork | Why a knife cousin? Why not the spoon? |
| 01:21.38 | NeoTron | it's a lizard |
| 01:21.51 | sag_ich_nicht | WobWork you're doing it wrong! |
| 01:21.52 | break19 | altho.. I'm not so sure my male dachsundh(sp?) is.. he was humped by my mother-in-law's male mutt.. until our large breed dog grabbed him by the neck and flung the little bastid against the wall.. |
| 01:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | sag_ich_nicht totally called Ellipsis an it. |
| 01:22.07 | MoonWitch | Cryect, google it for pics :) He's a spikey lil fella |
| 01:22.11 | Ellipsis | man sag_ich_nicht you really know how to make things better don't ya |
| 01:22.17 | MoonWitch | dachshund |
| 01:22.26 | break19 | MoonWitch: ty |
| 01:22.26 | WobWork | DAKZUNT! |
| 01:22.28 | Ellipsis | just you wait, ckknight is gonna come home and see me all depressed and e-kick all your butts |
| 01:22.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: yeah. isn't that awesome? :) |
| 01:22.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis don't have the balls to do so yourself? |
| 01:22.45 | sag_ich_nicht | pussy |
| 01:22.46 | WobWork | Best pronunciation of a dog breed ever |
| 01:22.57 | break19 | Ellipsis: he cant kick mine.. I've been taking ejitsu for a while now.. |
| 01:23.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: only after using your depression to get pity sex, i hope. |
| 01:23.12 | WobWork | break19 is wise in the way of Whalefu |
| 01:23.26 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: I don't _get_ pity sex |
| 01:23.28 | ckknight | I take it. |
| 01:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: well, either way. |
| 01:23.38 | break19 | dammit |
| 01:23.44 | NightHawkTheSane | point is, pity sex is to be had! |
| 01:23.53 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: figured that'd be more of a male predicament |
| 01:24.00 | NeoTron | nothing a female ever would have to worry about |
| 01:24.17 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: I'm an equal opportunity condescender. |
| 01:24.28 | NeoTron | <raid> Supermage: afk quickie |
| 01:24.30 | MoonWitch | pity sex sucks |
| 01:24.33 | MoonWitch | litterally |
| 01:24.40 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63192 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: bug fix |
| 01:25.03 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: what, you've never done that? |
| 01:25.16 | NeoTron | No, I am a raid leader... |
| 01:25.21 | Ellipsis | tbh I'd rather just stay at the computer, doesn't seem to affect my raid performance that much |
| 01:25.22 | MoonWitch | ckk I never thought of you to be a taker >.< |
| 01:25.30 | Ellipsis | but sometimes you just wanna take it into the bedroom :P |
| 01:25.31 | break19 | speaking of sex.. know what I hate? when your wife/gf/whatever, starts goin "im horny" .. the next few words are usually "but its that time of the month, soooo" |
| 01:25.42 | MoonWitch | LOL |
| 01:25.43 | ckknight | MoonWitch: why? you offering? |
| 01:25.55 | MoonWitch | friend of mine would say "then take the back road" break .. |
| 01:25.56 | ckknight | MoonWitch: it's okay as long as Ellipsis gets to watch |
| 01:26.02 | MoonWitch | ckknight: lol wth |
| 01:26.10 | MoonWitch | if you invite her in and she accepts, then maybe |
| 01:26.27 | sag_ich_nicht | no then his sadist nature is not satisfied enough |
| 01:26.30 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: idea for gathermate/routes, how much bloat would it be to store the minimap zone name on gathering and use that as part of the filtering in routes in addition to taboo regions |
| 01:26.36 | Ellipsis | MoonWitch: I'd totally go for that |
| 01:26.46 | MoonWitch | Ellipsis: I like you more now |
| 01:26.50 | break19 | .. drive by hacking! |
| 01:26.52 | Ellipsis | ol |
| 01:26.53 | Ellipsis | lol* |
| 01:27.02 | sag_ich_nicht | break19 don't make me load gay.pl, dau.pl and aol.pl |
| 01:27.34 | break19 | dont make me load /sbin/ping :) |
| 01:27.47 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 01:27.55 | MoonWitch | sure is a kinky night... |
| 01:28.05 | break19 | MoonWitch: you want some ping action? |
| 01:28.08 | NightHawkTheSane | if only it were vaguely original and interesting |
| 01:28.29 | MoonWitch | break .. I'm good, so no thank you :) |
| 01:28.33 | ckknight | MoonWitch: we do this every night |
| 01:28.35 | Ellipsis | MoonWitch: waiiiit a second...I haven't seen a picture of you, have I? |
| 01:28.38 | NeoTron | what happens in #wowace stays in #wowace |
| 01:28.38 | sag_ich_nicht | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, we kind of sucked the fun out of that topic already |
| 01:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | sag_ich_nicht: if by "already" you mean months ago... yes. |
| 01:29.00 | sag_ich_nicht | NightHawkTheSane you missed the bad pun |
| 01:29.03 | sag_ich_nicht | or intentionally ignored it |
| 01:29.04 | break19 | I'll open up that backdoor, and inject some packets into your tcp buffer.... geek sex talk. lol |
| 01:29.05 | NeoTron | except for the log files of hundreds of people lurking in here |
| 01:29.07 | NightHawkTheSane | sag_ich_nicht: the latter. |
| 01:29.16 | sag_ich_nicht | you also spelled later wrong. |
| 01:29.19 | MoonWitch | break, my backdoor is an exit only honey |
| 01:29.31 | sag_ich_nicht | MoonWitch you fail |
| 01:29.32 | break19 | heh |
| 01:29.34 | NightHawkTheSane | sag_ich_nicht: nope. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/latter |
| 01:29.50 | MoonWitch | sag .. that's ok, I am used to failing. |
| 01:29.52 | sag_ich_nicht | NightHawkTheSane: wow |
| 01:30.13 | MoonWitch | and Ellipsis if you were to see a picture of me, you will wish you'd never said what you said lol |
| 01:30.26 | Ellipsis | pfft, I doubt it |
| 01:30.30 | Ellipsis | geek girls are hawt |
| 01:30.40 | MoonWitch | not this one lol |
| 01:30.46 | MoonWitch | Seerah knows what I look like |
| 01:30.48 | NightHawkTheSane | MoonWitch: you realize saying that only piques curiosity, and encourages people more, yeah? |
| 01:30.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis sorry to break it to you but she's probably fat and old |
| 01:31.01 | Ellipsis | maybe I need to find a way to trick Seerah into letting me see |
| 01:31.06 | break19 | sag_ich_nicht: dont bring me into this. |
| 01:31.08 | MoonWitch | sag, not old, but fat - yes. |
| 01:31.23 | NeoTron | I can't help to note that sag_ich_nicht is such a people person |
| 01:31.33 | NeoTron | such a likable chump |
| 01:31.36 | MoonWitch | NeoTron: yeah |
| 01:31.40 | NeoTron | s/chump/chimp/ |
| 01:31.45 | sag_ich_nicht | damn it, you didn't fall for my "no i'm not NOT *links image*" troll |
| 01:31.48 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 01:31.53 | break19 | i always tell my wife, as long as your smaller than me, I'll be happy.. and I eat whenever she does.. so.. :) |
| 01:32.19 | MoonWitch | break, well you ARE married, the hunt is over lol |
| 01:32.23 | Ellipsis | pfft, girls always think they're fat |
| 01:32.37 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht fails at trolling females |
| 01:32.39 | sag_ich_nicht | i assume at least 220 lbs |
| 01:32.47 | MoonWitch | Ellipsis: when your scale shivers and hides when it sees you .. |
| 01:32.56 | Ellipsis | MoonWitch: mine ran away |
| 01:32.57 | MoonWitch | sag, not even close |
| 01:33.00 | break19 | MoonWitch: yea well.. I'm married.. but not dead./ heh |
| 01:33.01 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: we need to revamp the system using .NET, then! |
| 01:33.03 | NeoTron | MoonWitch: it's time to buy a scale that isn't alive? |
| 01:33.08 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:31] <NeoTron> I can't help to note that sag_ich_nicht is such a people person <--you see, i just say what i think. most people are used to living in a web of lies and enjoy that. i don't. |
| 01:33.26 | NeoTron | sag_ich_nicht: to be honest man, so do I |
| 01:33.28 | sag_ich_nicht | trolling them is just another way of showing them that they do that |
| 01:33.31 | NeoTron | I piss people off all the fricking tim |
| 01:33.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: ... its ALREADY using .NET |
| 01:33.37 | ckknight | lol. |
| 01:33.40 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: oh, you like full on honesty? I don't want to have sex with you. :P |
| 01:33.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: i know |
| 01:33.51 | NeoTron | if I think someone sucks in a raid I'm not afraid of telling them |
| 01:33.52 | MoonWitch | NeoTron: good point .. |
| 01:33.53 | ckknight | MoonWitch: pixs? |
| 01:34.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: thats a lie, and you know it. you'll have sex with anyone: P |
| 01:34.05 | NeoTron | for a while I was banned from "first tier" feedback to raiders in the guild |
| 01:34.09 | Ellipsis | NightHawkTheSane: only on the internets |
| 01:34.13 | Ellipsis | irl it's quite a different story |
| 01:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: ah, but everything you read on the internets is real! |
| 01:34.31 | MoonWitch | ckknight: I scared Flickr :P they closed my account |
| 01:34.33 | Ellipsis | in that case, I had sex with your mom last night |
| 01:34.37 | ckknight | aw |
| 01:34.44 | Chaud | rofl... |
| 01:34.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, she told me you were waaay overpriced. |
| 01:34.50 | sag_ich_nicht | iceburn |
| 01:34.53 | break19 | Ellipsis: mpegs or it didnt happen |
| 01:35.01 | MoonWitch | lol break you stole my thoughts |
| 01:35.05 | sag_ich_nicht | mpeg is outdated |
| 01:35.11 | MoonWitch | WITH sound |
| 01:35.13 | NeoTron | youtube or it didn't happen |
| 01:35.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 01:35.17 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 01:35.18 | NeoTron | get with the times |
| 01:35.27 | ckknight | MoonWitch: imageshack.us ftw? |
| 01:35.30 | sag_ich_nicht | use mkv with aacplusv2 sound and x264 video |
| 01:35.38 | sag_ich_nicht | and it better be at least 720p |
| 01:36.07 | break19 | quality high enough to count the individual hairs... |
| 01:36.16 | NeoTron | sag_ich_nicht: I think being more to the point is a European trait |
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| 01:36.25 | sag_ich_nicht | NeoTron: no, it isn't |
| 01:36.25 | NeoTron | that is highly misunderstood by most americans |
| 01:36.30 | NeoTron | sag_ich_nicht: it is in Sweden |
| 01:36.46 | sag_ich_nicht | NeoTron: sweden != europe. just like USA != america. |
| 01:36.48 | NeoTron | at least amongs the people I have contact with |
| 01:36.58 | ckknight | woo, America! |
| 01:36.59 | NeoTron | of course. It's an overgeneralization |
| 01:37.25 | Ellipsis | what did I miss? |
| 01:37.30 | break19 | i know lots of people who simply tell it like it is.. my wife is one.. |
| 01:37.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: pix of MoonWitch |
| 01:37.52 | break19 | and she was born and bred in the US of A |
| 01:37.54 | NeoTron | Swedish: you're a really bad priest, go find another guild. English: We feel that your raid performance isn't quite up to par with our expectations. Perhaps you should read some websites and talk to your fellow priests to see how you can improve. |
| 01:38.11 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm, no. |
| 01:38.20 | sag_ich_nicht | it's more like "die IRL? *raidkick*" |
| 01:38.26 | NeoTron | true |
| 01:38.32 | sag_ich_nicht | at least in guilds that actually make progress |
| 01:38.39 | sag_ich_nicht | or raids, for that matter |
| 01:38.49 | Chaud | PvE is hard. |
| 01:38.58 | sag_ich_nicht | no, it isn't. |
| 01:39.02 | sag_ich_nicht | pvp isn't hard either |
| 01:39.12 | Chaud | EvP is hard. |
| 01:39.14 | NeoTron | mhy guild has moved more towards cutting the losses vs trying to salvage in the past year |
| 01:39.29 | NeoTron | I've pushed a lot for it not to harbor inferior players just because they are nice company |
| 01:39.56 | sag_ich_nicht | that's why you have _guild_ and _raidgroup_ |
| 01:39.59 | NeoTron | and that you don't always have to have exact proof that someone is bad - a lot of it is just pure feeling |
| 01:40.04 | NeoTron | sag_ich_nicht: we do |
| 01:40.17 | NeoTron | in fact we have like 130 members and maybe 40 ppl classified as raiders |
| 01:40.27 | sag_ich_nicht | kek |
| 01:40.34 | NivFreak | bads you just kick out of guild |
| 01:40.44 | NivFreak | people who aren't geared enough or can't make time commitments you keep in guild |
| 01:40.46 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 01:40.52 | NeoTron | NivFreak: dependnig on level of bad and acceptance level of not raiding |
| 01:40.59 | NeoTron | and, overall, how pleasant they are to have in the raid |
| 01:41.00 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.2girls1brutesquad.com/ i still like this guild. i'd love if we had a guild like that on our server :( |
| 01:41.04 | NeoTron | s/raid/guild/ |
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| 01:41.50 | NeoTron | that said I think I've lost my temper in raids a total of 2 times in the past year |
| 01:42.05 | NeoTron | and with lost temper I emeant I raised my voice and told someone to shut the fuck up or similar levels |
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| 01:42.36 | NeoTron | doesn't mean I can't coldly and sarcastically congratulate everyone on the amazing Anetheron wipe we just had |
| 01:43.19 | Chaud | You must not be fun to raid with =( |
| 01:43.45 | NeoTron | why not? do you prefer raid leaders that swear, yell, tell people that they are better dead than alive etc? |
| 01:43.52 | Chaud | Yes |
| 01:43.56 | Chaud | Highly amusing |
| 01:44.00 | NeoTron | I gues we all have our preferences |
| 01:44.19 | Chaud | I can then later make fun of both the bad player and the raid leader =D |
| 01:44.22 | break19 | "zomg we died *veins pop out of forehead* WTF!@!" vs "ah shit.. fuckit. shit happens.. " |
| 01:44.22 | NeoTron | my guild's average age is probably close to 30 |
| 01:44.29 | Gnarfoz | I'd prefer if more of my raid members actually learned from their mistake, do what they're told and didn't fuck up |
| 01:44.48 | Keias | I love the people who overreact to WoW |
| 01:44.54 | Chaud | Yeah, the people I play with / used to raid with are mostly around 20 |
| 01:45.03 | Keias | It literally makes me cry from laughing so hard lol |
| 01:45.12 | NeoTron | I love listening to them on occasion but it would drive me off the wall to have to deal with it all the time |
| 01:45.29 | NeoTron | in fact i've been in a guild like that and it's not motivating or inspiring, just annoyin |
| 01:45.50 | Chaud | If you didn't mess up, then it is hilarious |
| 01:46.17 | NeoTron | well |
| 01:46.20 | break19 | where can I find a list of included icons and texture without having to install the wow kit ? |
| 01:46.23 | NeoTron | we're farming illidan. can't complani much |
| 01:46.31 | Chompers | it's easy to get frustrated after say, the 11th wipe because of simple mistakes |
| 01:46.35 | NeoTron | we had a lot of issues earlier in our TBC raiding career but we have a lot more solid team now |
| 01:46.37 | Chompers | that's no fun to anyone |
| 01:46.44 | NeoTron | of course |
| 01:46.49 | NeoTron | we've had bloodboil nights like that |
| 01:46.56 | NeoTron | spent an hour extra on a boss we easily can one shot |
| 01:47.17 | NeoTron | and this week we wiped (once but still) on both Lootetheron and Lookama |
| 01:47.46 | Chaud | remove the fail from the raid and replace with someone who can do it if it happens more than once =\ |
| 01:50.35 | NeoTron | kael'thas and archimonde were the main fights where we did hat |
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| 01:52.21 | CIA-9 | 03antiarc * r63193 10/branches/Threat-2.0/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Threat-2.0: LibGUIDRegistry:GetGUID -> UnitGUID(). Factored out LibGUIDRegistry dependency. |
| 01:52.21 | xyu | ...aaaaand we're back |
| 01:52.32 | NeoTron | <3 UnitGUID |
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| 01:53.40 | Erzy|zZiZz | !c Xitroz Dentarg |
| 01:55.04 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: are you keeping your own guid->raidicon table in threat-2.0 now? although i guess it would be perty easy since your listening to most messages anyway |
| 01:55.27 | Antiarc | I'm still using LibGUIDRegistry in Omen |
| 01:55.32 | Antiarc | Since I need guid -> name and guid -> icon |
| 01:55.41 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 01:55.42 | Antiarc | But I'm caching that info for fast lookup, too |
| 01:55.48 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 01:56.27 | Antiarc | But, all I was using it for in threat was looking up GUIDs, so no sense in keeping it around for now |
| 01:56.40 | Arrowmaster | i was going to rework guidreg some so getguid was only used for raidicons |
| 01:57.05 | Arrowmaster | and maybe do comm syncing on guid->raidicon for the hell of it |
| 01:57.26 | Antiarc | Hrm. With the large combat log rage, I think that'd be pretty unnecessary |
| 01:57.38 | Ellipsis | a lib that does comm syncing for the hell of it...yay... >_> |
| 01:57.47 | Arrowmaster | i said maybe |
| 01:57.52 | CIA-9 | 03antiarc 072.4 * r63194 10Omen/ (16 files in 10 dirs): Omen: Rounded out options for other modules, fixed a couple of bar bugs, moved to UnitGUID for all my GUID lookup needs. LibGUIDRegistry is still a requirement for GUID -> name and GUID -> class translation. |
| 01:58.54 | Arrowmaster | deffently going to add comm syncing for pets i think, just dont know if i want guidreg to store them or just have addons that want to use them listen for it and use it |
| 01:59.44 | Arrowmaster | oh wait nvm thats not even really needed anymore is it |
| 02:00.45 | NeoTron | so what is the purpose of a central guid => raid icon thing? |
| 02:00.55 | Antiarc | The only thing I could potentially see synching for is totems. |
| 02:01.31 | Arrowmaster | just got raidinvite |
| 02:01.56 | Cryect | don't need syncing yeah for pets |
| 02:02.01 | Cryect | since can always look them up |
| 02:02.14 | Cryect | still nice to cache it of course |
| 02:04.06 | Cryect | any chance of a get function to just get the entire data table? |
| 02:04.19 | Cryect | for the guid that is |
| 02:05.25 | NeoTron | I'm just curious whether that addon would be any useful for me |
| 02:05.52 | NeoTron | does it, say, track when a raid marked unit dies? :P |
| 02:06.09 | NeoTron | not that it'd be hard to implement in 2.4 |
| 02:06.37 | Antiarc | Are there unit IDs for the raid tanks/raid assists? |
| 02:06.44 | Cryect | yes |
| 02:06.49 | Antiarc | What are they? |
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| 02:06.59 | Cryect | I don't remember but they exist |
| 02:07.49 | Cryect | Or I think they do (looking) |
| 02:09.34 | Cryect | guess not seems its done by GetPartyAssignment |
| 02:10.06 | Cryect | GetPartyAssignment("MAINTANK", unitid) or GetPartyAssignment("MAINASSIST", unitid) |
| 02:10.31 | NeoTron | anyone actually use those? |
| 02:10.57 | Cryect | People who don't use ora? |
| 02:11.00 | Cryect | no reason not to |
| 02:11.04 | NeoTron | they exist?! |
| 02:11.05 | NeoTron | :) |
| 02:11.24 | Cryect | really I would expect ora to use them for the first 5 tanks anyways or whatever |
| 02:11.39 | Cryect | oh wait you can only set one with that right? |
| 02:11.45 | NeoTron | I thiught it onlt had 1 MT, 1 assist? |
| 02:11.52 | NeoTron | and i can obviously not type |
| 02:11.53 | Cryect | yeah kinda worthless |
| 02:12.07 | Cryect | Heh I've never used it myself so haven't inspected too closely |
| 02:12.26 | Antiarc | It would be nice if oRA set those or something |
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| 02:12.53 | NeoTron | I wonder how ofen guilds use main assists in 25-mans |
| 02:12.56 | NeoTron | we just go by raid mark |
| 02:13.00 | Antiarc | We use a main assist |
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| 02:13.19 | Cryect | we did (and I assume they still do, I just don't raid anymore) |
| 02:16.49 | Cryect | I love when the PTR server seems to decide to completely stop sending me log messages >_> |
| 02:17.02 | Cryect | and I end up thinking I broke something for a few minutes |
| 02:17.56 | NeoTron | heh |
| 02:18.00 | NeoTron | "oops" |
| 02:20.01 | Diao | o_o |
| 02:20.19 | Diao | someone left all their debug prints in a live copy of their addon earlier today |
| 02:20.28 | Diao | everytime i joined an arena/raid i'd get spammed with addon messages in my chatframe |
| 02:20.37 | Diao | couldn't figure out wihch addon was doing it |
| 02:20.38 | Diao | lol |
| 02:21.26 | Cryect | haha |
| 02:21.34 | Thrae|Work | Diao: Welcome to the bastard of SVN that is WAU |
| 02:21.49 | Diao | indeed |
| 02:25.10 | Gnarfoz | or you could just roll back :> |
| 02:26.00 | Cryect | Thats the great thing about versioning |
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| 02:36.11 | Yssaril | WobWork: ping |
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| 02:39.32 | Killmore2 | [2008/02/28 21:38:25-583-x2]: oRA2_Optional\Group.lua:165: Usage: UnitIsUnit("unit", "otherUnit") --- |
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| 02:49.29 | WobWork | Yssaril: ack |
| 02:50.16 | Yssaril | WobWork: if you do wanna use the roation thing for anything keep the number of textures used to a minimum :) it hurts ur framerate the more you got :P |
| 02:51.05 | WobWork | hehe |
| 02:51.09 | WobWork | I figured, aye |
| 02:51.18 | WobWork | I might try and hax stc |
| 02:51.22 | Yssaril | 10000 textures was a bad thing let me tell ya :P |
| 02:51.28 | WobWork | >< |
| 02:51.42 | Yssaril | looked really nice though i have to say :P |
| 02:51.52 | WobWork | That's all you cuold see =) |
| 02:53.49 | Yssaril | pretty much am use fat lines and hide the jagged edges by a overlay texture and then just dynamically rotate them |
| 02:54.13 | Yssaril | maybe have each texture be 5% or soemthing |
| 02:54.32 | Yssaril | maybe even 10% |
| 02:54.37 | WobWork | You could make a sector shaped texture |
| 02:55.05 | Yssaril | hmm |
| 02:55.28 | Yssaril | bah enough math for one day will work on it some more tomorrow :) |
| 02:55.55 | Yssaril | later guys |
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| 03:00.42 | Dezzimal | I love updating lib-threat mid raid |
| 03:00.58 | Antiarc | That's mostly never a good idea :P |
| 03:01.05 | Dezzimal | just to hear people complain about having to update |
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| 03:04.32 | Cryect | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.39 | Cryect | hmmm strange that hurt his framerate |
| 03:04.52 | Cryect | I've had little to no issue with 50k textures as long as they weren't moving |
| 03:10.02 | Thrae|Work | This from someone who's nick always reminds me of "Crytek", the makers of FarCry, FarCry 2, and everyone's favourite GPU eater, Crysis |
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| 03:11.22 | Cryect | hehe |
| 03:11.31 | Cryect | they aren't the makers of Farcry 2 |
| 03:11.34 | Cryect | thats just Ubisoft |
| 03:12.24 | Thrae|Work | Ubisoft is a production company, they do no development of their own. But they do own a few development companies as subsidaries. |
| 03:12.43 | Cryect | Okay thats Ubisoft Montreal I believe to be exact if you really careed |
| 03:13.32 | Thrae|Work | Yeah, I just looked it up -- Crytek isn't developing it. But still, technically not the parent UbiSoft ;) |
| 03:13.40 | Cryect | Well its still ubisoft |
| 03:13.59 | Cryect | its a studio totally created by ubisoft :-p |
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| 03:15.04 | Thrae|Work | Well, all game development companies usually start off with another company backing them, many times even owning them. |
| 03:15.51 | Cryect | Ubisoft Montreal I doubt will be spinned off |
| 03:16.28 | Cryect | I'm not sure how you could think Ubisoft Montreal is anything but ubisoft |
| 03:17.11 | Estil | Canada, eh! |
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| 03:24.18 | Thorgard | What's this all aboot? |
| 03:26.10 | Nandini | anyone have any clues as to why my camera has stopped auto-following when i click to move? |
| 03:26.34 | Nandini | i checked the settings in interface options and tried changing them and then changing them back, doesn't fix it |
| 03:27.50 | Nandini | it works the same as always if i autorun using the mouse or if i turn with the keyboard |
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| 03:34.12 | Knaledge | question about pitbull and auras (namely - buffs/debuffs) |
| 03:35.37 | Knaledge | so I recall that initially, when pitbull was out for only a little while... |
| 03:35.39 | Knaledge | maybe like... |
| 03:35.49 | Knaledge | a year ish ago |
| 03:35.55 | Knaledge | not sure on the time but whatevr.. |
| 03:36.31 | Knaledge | The debuffs over a target frame... I seem to recall that somehow, the debuffs on the mob were able to be sorted by my buffs first, then everyone elses |
| 03:36.58 | Knaledge | like my debuffs would remain in the #1, #2, #3, etc. etc. slots while everyone elses were placed on thereafter. |
| 03:37.07 | Knaledge | has that been removed or changed? |
| 03:37.41 | Nandini | to be honest, i just keep disabling the auras module. even after the recent rewrite, i continue to have too many issues |
| 03:37.55 | break19 | to be honest, I just use aguf. heh |
| 03:38.07 | Nandini | but there is a sort option that i think will show your buffs/debuffs first |
| 03:38.43 | Nandini | and then show the rest alphabetically |
| 03:38.44 | Thrae|Work | Nandini: Try going into keybindings and bind a key to switching camera modes, then switch through the different camera modes. I believe by default there are more then one, and it saves the last one you used. |
| 03:39.14 | Nandini | thanks Thrae, i've tried all 5 saved camera settings and none of them is what i'm used to |
| 03:39.15 | Knaledge | I can't find the sort options you're talking about |
| 03:39.24 | Knaledge | I'm looking at the aura module for target frame |
| 03:39.31 | Knaledge | there isn't any option regarding "show my buffs first" |
| 03:39.40 | Nandini | i'm just going to copy and paste all the default camera-related CVARs back into config.wtf and see if that fixes it |
| 03:39.44 | Knaledge | and I recall.. there used to be. or at least... I'm pretty sure thats how it wored. |
| 03:39.51 | Nandini | do you see an option that's just called "Sort"? |
| 03:40.01 | Knaledge | yeah |
| 03:40.07 | Nandini | what does its tooltip say? |
| 03:40.09 | Knaledge | it says "sort by type then alphabetically" |
| 03:40.16 | Knaledge | nothing about "my buffs first" |
| 03:40.23 | break19 | Nandini: no point in that, just delete them from the config.wtf and it'll automatically give the default values :) |
| 03:50.27 | CIA-9 | 03piotrb * r63195 10FuBar_FishingFu/ (Core.lua FuBar_FishingFu.toc embeds.xml): FuBar_FishingFu: initial version |
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| 04:06.55 | andross_ | is TinyTip being worked on? |
| 04:07.28 | andross_ | guess I'll shop for a new tooltip mod |
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| 04:10.35 | Arrowmaster | andross_: yes its being worked on |
| 04:13.06 | CIA-9 | 03isler * r63196 10AtlasLoot/Core/Atlas1.11Compat.lua: |
| 04:13.06 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot: |
| 04:13.06 | CIA-9 | - Black Temple and Hyjal Summit loottable fix (no more quest needed) |
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| 04:23.42 | Chaud | =\ How could this rogue be 1/34/1 and have cheat death =\ |
| 04:23.50 | Chaud | dogtags fail me again |
| 04:24.19 | Diao | ok wtf |
| 04:24.21 | Diao | it's still doing it |
| 04:24.25 | Diao | in arena |
| 04:24.30 | Diao | everytime i join one i get spammed with addon msgs |
| 04:24.35 | Diao | who forgot to take out debug messages -_- |
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| 04:28.04 | WobWork | 1/34/1? |
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| 04:33.38 | Chaud | Was dueling, yeah, that is the spec it showed on pitbull/tooltip |
| 04:33.40 | Chaud | using dogtags |
| 04:34.06 | Chaud | my bad, 1/34/4 |
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| 04:34.26 | Chaud | still, he had cheat death, so it was wrong |
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| 04:39.01 | Diao | hmm |
| 04:39.08 | Diao | any tips on how to beat hunter/anything as priest/rogue |
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| 04:39.41 | Thorgard | Is there an event that fires on item durability change? |
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| 04:40.32 | Diao | i think so yes |
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| 04:46.37 | WobWork | Diao: BM hunter? |
| 04:46.54 | WobWork | kill the pet |
| 04:47.09 | Gngsk | Thorgard, you'd think there would be one, but since fizzle doesn't update if you have the char screen open and repair I'm inclined to think one doesn't |
| 04:47.29 | Chaud | Who does 2s as BM lol |
| 04:47.45 | WobWork | With enough dps, it's viable =) |
| 04:48.49 | WobWork | Chaud: next time /inspect =) |
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| 04:49.40 | WobWork | since I read there's some issue with the dogtag talent instant reading |
| 04:50.22 | Chaud | Yeah, it was BGs so it didn't matter |
| 04:50.36 | Arrowmaster | 4/5 and 7/9 bosses down on only our 2nd raid night of the week |
| 04:50.46 | Chaud | But is it possible to fix the dogtag thing? |
| 04:50.46 | Arrowmaster | and about to go pull arch |
| 04:55.12 | Diao | marks hunter |
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| 05:06.55 | Primer | sigh, ran JWU and one of my addons is now broken, except I don't know which |
| 05:07.06 | Primer | how can I find out which one's broken? |
| 05:07.19 | Primer | this damn auctioneer! It installs some bug catcher |
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| 05:08.53 | WobWork | Primer: one way is to select half and run and see if it's still an issue |
| 05:09.04 | WobWork | if so, deselect half of what's active and repeat |
| 05:09.14 | WobWork | and repeat til you narrow down the offending addon |
| 05:09.17 | Primer | I don't know what addon provides a bubble at the mouse when hovering over units |
| 05:09.25 | WobWork | tooltip? |
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| 05:09.45 | WobWork | any addons that deal with tooltip management then |
| 05:09.48 | Primer | I used to use nurfedui, which gave me a list of current addons |
| 05:10.01 | Primer | and which were enabled, and which were not, even due to errors |
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| 05:10.18 | Primer | I need an addon to manage addons |
| 05:13.46 | Primer | is there an addon that lists addons from within the game? |
| 05:13.50 | Gngsk | Primer, ACP, rMCP, there's a few more options I can't think of off the top of my head |
| 05:14.01 | Primer | but is it dedicated for just that? |
| 05:14.06 | Gngsk | yeah |
| 05:14.09 | Primer | ok, thanks |
| 05:14.19 | Gngsk | it's basically like the window you see when you click the addons button at the character select screen |
| 05:14.33 | Gngsk | you can enable/disable addons, then reloadUI or in some cases enable via LoD |
| 05:14.34 | Primer | which would you recommend? |
| 05:14.46 | Gngsk | I use rMCP for a long while, then I recently tried ACP it's pretty good |
| 05:14.57 | Gngsk | haven't tried any of the others personally but I'm sure they'd work fine |
| 05:15.00 | WobWork | I like ACP |
| 05:15.04 | WobWork | but I haven't used the others |
| 05:15.07 | Gngsk | matter of preference, try one or two and make your own decision |
| 05:16.25 | Primer | is ACP ace? |
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| 05:18.24 | WobWork | Doesn't really matter |
| 05:18.37 | WobWork | but yes. I believe so |
| 05:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | does anyone use gridLayoutplus and notice it fairly randomly changing how many groups grid shows? ><L |
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| 05:22.41 | Primer | sigh...I wonder if JWU removed the addon that did this |
| 05:23.00 | RaydenU | using AceComm |
| 05:23.08 | RaydenU | can i only register one event for incoming group messages? |
| 05:23.16 | RaydenU | register *comm |
| 05:24.02 | Primer | this is very strange, because I noticed that the style of the mouseover popup had changed recently |
| 05:24.15 | Primer | so I know it's an ace addon |
| 05:24.28 | Primer | because I run JWU almost every day |
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| 05:26.01 | Primer | ugh, I can't play like this! |
| 05:26.20 | Primer | Cannot find a library instance of TipLib-1.0 |
| 05:26.52 | Ellipsis | there's your answer then |
| 05:26.55 | Ellipsis | install tiplib! |
| 05:27.29 | Primer | I'm guessing someone didn't set their externals? |
| 05:28.02 | Arrowmaster | what are you using? tinytip? |
| 05:28.37 | Arrowmaster | because afaik new tinytip doesnt use tiplib and i dont know of anything else that did besides tinytip |
| 05:28.48 | Primer | I have no idea |
| 05:28.59 | Primer | all I know is the functionality I once had is now gone |
| 05:30.16 | WobWork | cause I hate merging |
| 05:30.20 | Primer | I develop in a branch |
| 05:30.32 | WobWork | I release offsite |
| 05:30.35 | Primer | because I need to commit so I can checkout when I'm at a different location |
| 05:30.49 | WobWork | Primer: well yes. |
| 05:30.56 | WobWork | I can use trunk for that though =P |
| 05:30.57 | Primer | sigh...I'm gonna pull the addons dir from my box at work and hope it doesn't have this issue |
| 05:31.03 | Primer | except I commit broken code |
| 05:31.09 | WobWork | yes |
| 05:31.13 | WobWork | I could do that too |
| 05:31.16 | Primer | I don't want to have to sync using rsync |
| 05:31.23 | WobWork | in fact, I'll do that anyway |
| 05:31.33 | WobWork | There's a tagged version that works and the wowi download |
| 05:33.56 | CIA-9 | 03wobin * r63197 10Xparky/ (Bar.lua Options.lua Xparky.lua Xparky.toc): Xparky - No doubt this will break everything, but I'm in the process of refactoring the whole system. |
| 05:34.03 | Primer | ahhh much better |
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| 05:43.56 | Arrowmaster | 5/5 and 7/9 done in 2 raid nights woot |
| 05:44.09 | Arrowmaster | and we have a long ass raid on sunday |
| 05:50.34 | Primer | I need to find the addon that's making my UI hang for about .25 to .5 seconds after every mob kill |
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| 05:51.20 | Ellipsis | Primer: do you use recount? |
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| 05:59.04 | Primer | yes |
| 06:01.43 | Primer | disabling made it stop |
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| 06:03.54 | Ellipsis | Primer: I believe it has an option to disable the garbage collection on combat end |
| 06:04.06 | Ellipsis | if you turn that off your lag should go away |
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| 06:06.27 | Primer | ahhh |
| 06:06.28 | Primer | ok |
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| 06:08.10 | Primer | strange, I did /recount standby, yet it's still collecting data |
| 06:08.19 | Primer | I think resetting the data is what did it |
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| 06:15.06 | CIA-9 | 03odlaw * r63198 10PassLoot/ (7 files): |
| 06:15.06 | CIA-9 | PassLoot: initial commit |
| 06:15.06 | CIA-9 | - Auto roll greed, need, pass or manually roll on items. |
| 06:15.47 | Primer | that's going to be a controversial addon |
| 06:16.56 | mikma | http://aa1.naurunappula.com/0/071/156/180250.jpg |
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| 06:32.37 | Zhinjio | Koo koo ke joob. |
| 06:33.26 | CIA-9 | 03odlaw * r63199 10PassLoot/: |
| 06:33.26 | CIA-9 | PassLoot: |
| 06:33.26 | CIA-9 | - external properties set |
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| 06:35.29 | NeoTron | First one shot illidan. First warglaive! |
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| 06:43.53 | theoddone33 | !rating 1530 |
| 06:43.53 | Xinhuan | 1530 rating gives 377(5s), 332(3s) and 287(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 06:44.41 | Kurax | Sorry for noob question but is there any AceLocale-3.0 API document on the web available? |
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| 06:44.51 | voidwalker | hi |
| 06:45.21 | voidwalker | can you give me some must have addon names for a noob ? i have the one that gives you the selling price for items and the cartographer one |
| 06:45.26 | voidwalker | are there any other funky ones? |
| 06:45.27 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63200 10aX_RaidStatus/ (RaidStatusCore.lua aX_RaidStatus.toc): |
| 06:45.27 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 06:45.27 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Check to make sure everyone is added to a local list before updating hp. |
| 06:45.27 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Bug with Forcing an Update |
| 06:45.27 | CIA-9 | - Add: Another another check for subgroups incase someone slips by. |
| 06:45.28 | CIA-9 | - Removed: Bar information being saved. I want to find a new way to do this. |
| 06:45.59 | Zhinjio | voidwalker, I could give you many many. I use probably close to 100 of them. What are you looking for? |
| 06:46.04 | Zhinjio | its better to start with a goalin mind. |
| 06:46.18 | voidwalker | well i consider those 2 i mentioned must haves |
| 06:46.27 | Zhinjio | hmm. |
| 06:46.30 | Zhinjio | alright. |
| 06:46.36 | voidwalker | i don't know, something to help with quest locationing maybe? |
| 06:46.58 | Arrowmaster | lightheaded |
| 06:47.30 | Zhinjio | some bag addon, onebag or bagnon |
| 06:47.43 | Zhinjio | nquestlog for quest tracking |
| 06:47.49 | Zhinjio | fubar if you like info bars |
| 06:48.01 | Zhinjio | outfitter/itemrack for managing outfits |
| 06:48.09 | Zhinjio | cartographer certainly |
| 06:48.26 | Zhinjio | bartender or bongos for a bar replacement |
| 06:48.49 | Zhinjio | parrot. |
| 06:49.05 | Zhinjio | chatmod or prat for chatbox stuff |
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| 06:49.38 | Zhinjio | quartz for casting bars, et al |
| 06:50.01 | Zhinjio | elkano's buffbars for buff icon replacement |
| 06:50.03 | Zhinjio | *shrug* |
| 06:50.05 | Ellipsis | or he could just use the default interface for any or all of those |
| 06:50.06 | Zhinjio | the list is huge, dude. |
| 06:50.10 | Zhinjio | of course |
| 06:50.20 | Ellipsis | if he doesn't have complaints with his current setup there's no reason to bog him down with a hundred addons :P |
| 06:50.23 | Zhinjio | what you consider "essential" |
| 06:50.33 | Zhinjio | depends on who you talk to. |
| 06:50.40 | Zhinjio | the default interface makes me cry. |
| 06:50.43 | Zhinjio | so I use alot of addons. |
| 06:50.55 | voidwalker | nquestlog doesn't look that useful |
| 06:51.07 | Arrowmaster | DoubleWide |
| 06:51.21 | Arrowmaster | thats essential |
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| 06:52.41 | shadowzero314 | quick dogtag question, how can i use a tag that returns a value as a condition? |
| 06:52.53 | Ellipsis | just put a ? after it |
| 06:53.05 | Ellipsis | or do you mean to check its return against something |
| 06:53.17 | shadowzero314 | so [IsMaxLevel]?[exp stuff], then? |
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| 06:53.33 | shadowzero314 | i want my exp text to be hidden when i'm on a level 70 char |
| 06:53.37 | Ellipsis | ah |
| 06:53.48 | shadowzero314 | without having to manually change it to be on or off each time i play an alt |
| 06:54.17 | Ellipsis | [~IsMaxLevel:FractionalXP] |
| 06:54.19 | Ellipsis | for example |
| 06:54.29 | shadowzero314 | and i tried using [[IsMaxLevel]?[exp stuff]], it's just showing raw tags |
| 06:54.37 | Ellipsis | if you wanted your XP display to be more complex you could change FractionalXP to something else |
| 06:55.32 | shadowzero314 | mine is fractional, percent this level, percent rested |
| 06:55.48 | shadowzero314 | the standard setting in pitbull for exp text |
| 06:56.26 | shadowzero314 | do i need to put the conditional before each separate tag? |
| 06:56.51 | Ellipsis | that's one way to do it |
| 06:57.14 | shadowzero314 | :/ rather just use one conditional |
| 06:57.15 | Ellipsis | another way is to do [~IsMaxLevel?Text(your tag stuff here)] |
| 06:57.20 | shadowzero314 | ah |
| 06:58.12 | shadowzero314 | wait, no ah |
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| 06:58.54 | shadowzero314 | oops, misplaced a paren, that got it |
| 06:58.55 | shadowzero314 | thanks |
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| 06:59.29 | RaydenU | how do you get your party member's name? |
| 06:59.31 | RaydenU | names |
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| 06:59.45 | Ellipsis | in dogtag or lua? o.O |
| 06:59.53 | RaydenU | dogtag? |
| 06:59.55 | RaydenU | just lua please |
| 07:00.03 | Ellipsis | UnitName("party1") |
| 07:00.03 | RaydenU | i can find if the party member exists... |
| 07:00.11 | Ellipsis | UnitExists("party1") |
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| 07:00.54 | RaydenU | thanks |
| 07:00.57 | Ellipsis | (sorry, I miss context when I get disconnected like that...quite disorienting) |
| 07:00.59 | Thrae | Dum de dum dum. |
| 07:01.09 | Dekster | !ap 1337 |
| 07:01.09 | Xinhuan | 1337 rating gives 308(5s), 271(3s) and 234(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 07:01.19 | Thrae | !ar 1337 |
| 07:01.20 | Xinhuan | 1337 arena points require 2290(5s), INF(3s) and INF(2s) team rating. |
| 07:01.31 | Thrae | Hmmm... |
| 07:01.34 | Dekster | Ah. Thanks! |
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| 07:09.47 | Gngsk | what makes bugsack use like 3m of mem if there's no errors going on? |
| 07:11.41 | Arrowmaster | are you using embeded libs? |
| 07:11.41 | NeoTron | voidwalker: bEQL is a good quest log addon / tracker |
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| 07:17.49 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r63201 10PassLoot/ (Locale-zhCN.lua PassLoot.toc PassLoot.xml): |
| 07:17.49 | CIA-9 | PassLoot: |
| 07:17.49 | CIA-9 | - Added zhCN localization |
| 07:18.02 | aestil | why does my tv fail at deinterlacing 1080i content! |
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| 07:24.10 | voidwalker | is there an ingame leveling guide addon? |
| 07:24.26 | keiss | get TourGuide |
| 07:25.17 | voidwalker | url pls? |
| 07:26.11 | keiss | http://www.tekkub.net/ |
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| 07:26.38 | CIA-9 | 03chuanhsing * r63202 10PassLoot/ (Locale-zhTW.lua PassLoot.xml): |
| 07:26.38 | CIA-9 | PassLoot: |
| 07:26.38 | CIA-9 | - update zhTW (thanks zhCN translator Kurax) |
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| 07:32.23 | Elsia | morning |
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| 07:33.11 | Elsia | is it intended that AceTimer-3.0:ScheduleTimer(method,time,arg) rather than AceTimer-3.0:ScheduleTimer(method,time,...) ? |
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| 07:41.02 | Orionshock | ? |
| 07:41.24 | Orionshock | iirc it's always been self:ScheduleTimer("method", time, self, ...) |
| 07:42.59 | Elsia | that's from the AceTime-3.0 lua: Recount:ScheduleTimer(Recount.HandleDeath,2,Recount,victim,GetTime(),dstGUID,dstFlags) |
| 07:42.59 | Elsia | end |
| 07:42.59 | Elsia | end |
| 07:42.59 | Elsia | function Recount:HandleDeath(victim,DeathTime,dstGUID,dstFlags) |
| 07:43.01 | Elsia | whoops |
| 07:43.06 | Elsia | sorry wrong paste too |
| 07:43.10 | Elsia | function AceTimer:ScheduleTimer(callback, delay, arg) |
| 07:43.40 | Elsia | basically the wrong paste above doesn't work as intended because of this and even worse, the first arg (self) can't be tabled up |
| 07:43.54 | haste | the world needs more people with: |
| 07:44.00 | haste | 0839.35| Irssi: Pasting 1 lines to #wowace. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel. |
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| 07:44.50 | Elsia | the world needs more people with caffein in their blood before hitting cut&paste... |
| 07:48.36 | Orionshock | ?? any ideas as to why the set function isn't getting called? |
| 07:48.38 | Orionshock | http://ace.pastey.net/83133 |
| 07:49.00 | voidwalker | hey i got a question; is it rewarding to start with a lvl 1 draenei ? |
| 07:49.27 | voidwalker | i'm going to bow wow right now, but don't know if i should buy tbc now or wait to see if i get bored of wow |
| 07:49.40 | sun\sehmet | question : is there any way to disable the babble translation thing if you don |
| 07:49.44 | sun\sehmet | question : is there any way to disable the babble translation thing if you don't need it |
| 07:49.53 | Orionshock | sun\sehmet: in? |
| 07:49.57 | Arrowmaster | what babble translation thing? |
| 07:49.59 | Elsia | void: just buy the base game now, you don't need TBC until level 60 which will be a while |
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| 07:50.04 | sun\sehmet | well babble spell for example |
| 07:50.14 | Arrowmaster | why do you want to disable it? |
| 07:50.17 | sun\sehmet | i keep getting translation error for shadowmend or chaotic strike |
| 07:50.26 | sun\sehmet | because i have an english client on an english server |
| 07:50.35 | sun\sehmet | and i dont want error for chinese to appear for me :P |
| 07:50.41 | Gngsk | is there something wrong with performanceFu, it's showing 72mb used ro addon mem but the blizz latency meter thing is showing 25, does the blizz one not update beyond initial mem? |
| 07:51.19 | Elsia | latency and memory usage are not the same thing though |
| 07:51.28 | Arrowmaster | sun\sehmet: try updating your addons to get the errors to go away |
| 07:51.34 | Gngsk | I know, but the blizz latency meter tooltip shows addon memory |
| 07:51.35 | voidwalker | Elsia but i was thinking of starting with a draenei since i got bored of the current races :p |
| 07:51.39 | Arrowmaster | sun\sehmet: and no you cant disable babble-spell |
| 07:51.39 | keiss | Elsia: the latency meter also shows memory usage |
| 07:52.34 | Elsia | ah that |
| 07:53.27 | Elsia | oh I see, well get TBC then, but you think just a new race is what's missing? |
| 07:53.30 | Gngsk | approaching 75m, feels like a lot for what I have running |
| 07:53.36 | Elsia | the draenei starter zone is nice though |
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| 07:54.26 | sun\wz | sorry got dced :P |
| 07:54.46 | sun\wz | i was saying |
| 07:54.46 | sun\wz | [08:49] <Arrowmaster> why do you want to disable it? |
| 07:54.47 | sun\wz | 01[08:49] <sun\sehmet> i keep getting translation error for shadowmend or chaotic strike |
| 07:54.47 | sun\wz | 01[08:50] <sun\sehmet> because i have an english client on an english server |
| 07:54.47 | sun\wz | 01[08:50] <sun\sehmet> and i dont want error for chinese to appear for me :P |
| 07:54.54 | voidwalker | first i need a great leveling guide; ingame or offline, can you recommend? |
| 07:54.59 | Arrowmaster | sun\sehmet: try updating your addons to get the errors to go away |
| 07:55.02 | Arrowmaster | sun\sehmet: and no you cant disable babble-spell |
| 07:55.12 | Thorgard | voidwalker, Alliance or Horde? |
| 07:55.24 | voidwalker | have not decided yet |
| 07:55.36 | voidwalker | oh wait |
| 07:55.38 | Thorgard | voidwalker, Jame's guides on wow-pro.com are pretty good. |
| 07:55.50 | voidwalker | is it true that you can't have a horde and an alliance char? |
| 07:55.56 | Arrowmaster | depends on server |
| 07:56.05 | Elsia | jame is good but you woN't need one for the starter zone, it's really self-explanatory, and get lightheaded for ingame help |
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| 07:57.21 | Elsia | anyway gotta run |
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| 08:18.29 | Orionshock | it works.. |
| 08:18.32 | Orionshock | hehe |
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| 08:22.02 | Orionshock | so months back people where asking for a cheep and easy way to "copy" compilations from one UI to another.... |
| 08:22.11 | Orionshock | i think i found a cheep hack that would do it.. |
| 08:22.45 | Diao | o_O |
| 08:24.05 | Orionshock | well |
| 08:24.12 | Orionshock | i did say it was cheep :D |
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| 08:24.44 | Ellipsis | yes, you did, and what UI compilations have to do with bird sounds I'll never understand |
| 08:25.23 | Orionshock | hey now.. |
| 08:25.27 | Orionshock | that was uncalled for :P |
| 08:26.02 | CIA-9 | 03sayclub 072.4 * r63203 10Omen/Modules/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Omen: koKR Update |
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| 08:27.32 | Ellipsis | Orionshock: then l2spell, or get an IRC client with a built in spell-checker :P |
| 08:28.23 | Orionshock | emh |
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| 08:31.11 | Orionshock | http://ace.pastey.net/83137 |
| 08:31.15 | Orionshock | works for me |
| 08:32.35 | Ellipsis | now that's just wrong |
| 08:32.41 | Orionshock | lol |
| 08:32.42 | Orionshock | LOL |
| 08:33.21 | Orionshock | works... |
| 08:33.43 | Ellipsis | yes but it makes me want to stab small children |
| 08:34.04 | Orionshock | ... Ellipsis u need a shrink? |
| 08:34.13 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:34.36 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 08:34.38 | Ellipsis | probably |
| 08:34.42 | Ellipsis | you wouldn't be the first to say so :D |
| 08:34.55 | Orionshock | Ellipsis: i intentionaly left out alot of the sanity checks... |
| 08:35.09 | Orionshock | *intentionally |
| 08:35.18 | Ellipsis | as much as I hate to say it, even sylvanaar's solution was better than yours |
| 08:35.30 | Orionshock | .. O.O |
| 08:35.31 | Arrowmaster | that doesnt work for some things |
| 08:35.43 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: eepanels dosn't count :P |
| 08:35.51 | Arrowmaster | not what im talking about |
| 08:36.08 | Orionshock | meh, i call it 1 aspect of it tbh |
| 08:36.25 | Arrowmaster | like it doesnt work if the addon defaults to a profile other than "Default" |
| 08:36.39 | Orionshock | right, that's understood |
| 08:36.51 | Orionshock | didn't mean it as a catch all, infact |
| 08:37.39 | Orionshock | the one making the compilation should instead setup a profile with the compilation's name on it and make all the changes there and NOT in the default profile. |
| 08:37.49 | Orionshock | not perfect true |
| 08:38.17 | Arrowmaster | then everybody would have to switch each and every addon to that profile |
| 08:38.53 | Orionshock | not perfect... not meant to be |
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| 08:58.41 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63204 10aX_RaidStatus/ (RaidStatusCore.lua aX_RaidStatus.toc): |
| 08:58.41 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 08:58.41 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Texture Lists |
| 08:58.41 | CIA-9 | - Fix: AssimX Texture |
| 08:58.41 | CIA-9 | - Add-Feature: Background Color |
| 09:02.12 | Thorgard | I wish there was a tool to switch all addons to the profile of your choice. |
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| 09:09.46 | NightHawkTheSane | theoretically, for any addons that use the same profile framework, that should be possible.. |
| 09:10.20 | nevcairiel | AceDB-3.0 doesnt track the db's that got registered with it, its not that easy :P |
| 09:10.48 | NightHawkTheSane | so maybe not. *shrug* i was just guessing really :P |
| 09:14.32 | Ellipsis | you can of course iterate through all loaded addons and try to call acedb profile functions on them |
| 09:14.38 | Ellipsis | that would be funny to watch! |
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| 09:15.48 | nevcairiel | since AceDB-3.0 isnt embeded anymore .. you can only "guess" that someone stores the db in AddOn.db |
| 09:16.07 | Ellipsis | ah, well then |
| 09:16.08 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i thought it did but not in a 'supported' way for others to use? |
| 09:16.11 | Ellipsis | it would still work for ace2 stuff though |
| 09:16.44 | thul | hmm |
| 09:17.28 | Orionshock | considering that with that pastey there is no magic, one must provide the sv object's name.. it wouldn't matter :P |
| 09:17.50 | Ellipsis | syl's was still better |
| 09:17.50 | Ellipsis | :P |
| 09:17.51 | Arrowmaster | LibStub("AceDB-3.0").db_registry[db] |
| 09:18.14 | Orionshock | Ellipsis: what was syl's idea? |
| 09:18.18 | Arrowmaster | or would that be hacky? |
| 09:19.01 | nevcairiel | hm wonder when or why that was added |
| 09:19.06 | Ellipsis | Orionshock: he just created a toc that pointed to the other SV files |
| 09:19.11 | nevcairiel | oh i know |
| 09:19.15 | nevcairiel | for the shutdown handler |
| 09:19.18 | Ellipsis | since you can .. outside the addons dir |
| 09:19.29 | Orionshock | ah |
| 09:19.59 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 09:20.04 | Thrae | New Official Nvidia Drivers released -- version 174.16. Nvidia's version only installs on Series 9 chipsets. TweakForce has their version tweaked for best performance and to install for 6,7,8, and 9 chipsets: http://www.tweakforce.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1 |
| 09:20.05 | Orionshock | was gona say nevcairiel acedb has to know, if not for that then for upgrading atleast ? |
| 09:20.24 | nevcairiel | nah it doesnt need it for upgrading |
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| 10:04.22 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63205 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua resize.tga): WitchHunt: temp drycode commit to transport some code |
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| 10:09.43 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63206 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: more drycode |
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| 10:16.07 | cncfanatics | hello all |
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| 10:17.18 | CIA-9 | 03mikk * r63207 10Baggins/Baggins-Options.lua: |
| 10:17.18 | CIA-9 | Baggins: |
| 10:17.18 | CIA-9 | - Rule editor: Add a blank line in the dewdrop before "Operation ->" (AND/OR/NOT) |
| 10:18.22 | CIA-9 | 03mikk * r63208 10Baggins/Baggins-Filtering.lua: |
| 10:18.22 | CIA-9 | Baggins: |
| 10:18.22 | CIA-9 | - Add "Item Level" rule type. Can look at reqlvl OR ilvl. Does ranges. Can compare relative to player level. Perfect for levelling! :) |
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| 10:19.07 | Ellipsis | O RLY? |
| 10:19.28 | Ellipsis | that should be handy |
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| 10:30.59 | Arrowmaster | [Ammo]: you should probably put a db.targetonly check in the 2.4's witchhunt in the COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED handler since you can check COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TARGET instead of relying on just the names being the same |
| 10:32.48 | [Ammo] | I know |
| 10:33.02 | Arrowmaster | also 1 suggestion |
| 10:33.58 | Arrowmaster | a spellid filter, even if you dont put any config in for it, have a table of spellids that messages shouldnt be displayed for |
| 10:34.08 | [Ammo] | not going to happen |
| 10:34.11 | Arrowmaster | =( |
| 10:35.35 | [Ammo] | at least not anytime soon |
| 10:35.54 | Arrowmaster | only for 2.4 since its so much easyer to do for 2.4 |
| 10:36.09 | [Ammo] | not even then |
| 10:36.16 | [Ammo] | bigger fish to fry atm |
| 10:36.25 | [Ammo] | and it won't be functionality I would use |
| 10:36.52 | Arrowmaster | i just hate seeing stuff like when SoC triggers and mobs that do Shoot over and over and over again when nobody really cares about Shoot |
| 10:37.17 | [Ammo] | then use another spell alert |
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| 10:41.55 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63209 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua libs.xml): WitchHunt: resize and drag much improved for custom sizing the frame. open options panel with /wh install ace3 standalone for this, I cba with externals atm |
| 10:43.09 | Xinhuan | zzz |
| 10:43.12 | Xinhuan | someone installed BossTalk |
| 10:43.19 | Xinhuan | and constantly spammed /g with boss quotes |
| 10:43.21 | Xinhuan | over the last week |
| 10:43.24 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63210 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: logic correction |
| 10:43.26 | Xinhuan | testing everyone's nerdiness |
| 10:43.47 | Tem|AFK | I AM NEILAS ARAN |
| 10:43.52 | Tem|AFK | bet you can't guess that one |
| 10:45.03 | Ellipsis | hogger? |
| 10:45.58 | Xinhuan | YOU TAKE NO CANDLE! |
| 10:46.03 | Tem|AFK | Vancleif pay big for you heads |
| 10:46.14 | Tem|AFK | you no take candle imo |
| 10:47.10 | Grum | you no take candle indeed |
| 10:47.16 | Xinhuan | :< |
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| 10:47.53 | Xinhuan | hmm |
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| 10:48.10 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63211 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: move targetonly check to use bitflags |
| 10:48.11 | nevcairiel | you no take mushroom! |
| 10:48.12 | Xinhuan | there's a horde guild called <Girls Dont Poo> |
| 10:48.34 | Gngsk | then what do they do? |
| 10:48.50 | Xinhuan | i think they poop |
| 10:48.58 | Ellipsis | no we don't, you take that back |
| 10:49.00 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63212 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: my own logic defeats me |
| 10:49.10 | Gngsk | fecal matter, stool sample |
| 10:50.09 | Ellipsis | icky things are for icky people |
| 10:50.11 | Ellipsis | like boys |
| 10:50.36 | nevcairiel | girls just explode at some point |
| 10:51.36 | Kalroth | haha |
| 10:51.38 | Snago | sadly, I've seen proof that at least 2 girls do poop :( |
| 10:51.53 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 10:51.53 | Kalroth | Snago: And a cup, yeah? |
| 10:52.03 | Snago | Kalroth: yeah, that's the one |
| 10:52.51 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r63213 10WitchHunt/ (libs/ libs.xml): WitchHunt: fix externals |
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| 10:55.26 | smoke_ | is dkpmon the only wowace dkp/raidtracker ? |
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| 11:00.32 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: you work on aceconsole-3? |
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| 11:01.16 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: I did most of that work |
| 11:01.17 | [Ammo] | why |
| 11:01.28 | Arrowmaster | was just looking at the code and thought of something |
| 11:02.16 | [Ammo] | well then spill it |
| 11:02.47 | Arrowmaster | could use |T|t handling in addition to |H|h|h handling for if it somehow got a texture passed to it in GetArgs |
| 11:03.00 | [Ammo] | hmm |
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| 11:07.11 | [Ammo] | Arrowmaster: do those textures look like: |T|t|t similar to hyperlinks? |
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| 11:07.15 | [Ammo] | or just |T|t |
| 11:07.21 | Arrowmaster | just |T|t i think |
| 11:08.00 | Xinhuan | example blizzard constant |
| 11:08.02 | Xinhuan | COMBATLOG_ICON_RAIDTARGET1= "|TInterface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-RaidTargetingIcon_1.blp:$size|t"; |
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| 11:08.59 | Orionshock | question, can you replace the icons with something else? ie in the 3d world not just the UI? |
| 11:09.14 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 07RC1 * r63214 10Ace3/AceConsole-3.0/AceConsole-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceConsole-3.0: treat |T|t texture links similar to |H|h|h links. |
| 11:09.26 | Xinhuan | no |
| 11:09.29 | [Ammo] | aka skip! |
| 11:09.42 | Ellipsis | you can override the blp by putting a different one in the folder where the path to the normal one is, can't you? |
| 11:09.48 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 11:09.58 | Xinhuan | but these icons will only work if yu have said addon installed |
| 11:10.33 | Grum | what is |H|h|h ? |
| 11:10.37 | Arrowmaster | hyperlink |
| 11:10.42 | Arrowmaster | like itemlinks |
| 11:10.50 | Ellipsis | item links, enchant/spell links, etc. |
| 11:11.12 | Grum | that was a 'doh', i never made em myself so i didnt really recognize em :D |
| 11:11.54 | Grum | kek .. 18hrs ETA for defragging my disk :D |
| 11:11.54 | Arrowmaster | |Hitem:....|h[Text]|h |
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| 11:12.17 | Orionshock | is there a way to insert text @ the location of the cursor, regardless where it is or what box has focus? |
| 11:12.17 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63215 10Ace3/AceDB-3.0/AceDB-3.0.lua: |
| 11:12.17 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDB-3.0 |
| 11:12.17 | CIA-9 | - properly upgrade |
| 11:12.49 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-v does! |
| 11:12.58 | Orionshock | ... |
| 11:14.48 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 07RC1 * r63216 10Ace3/AceConsole-3.0/AceConsole-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceConsole-3.0: better handling of |T |
| 11:15.11 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 07RC1 * r63217 10Ace3/AceConsole-3.0/AceConsole-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceConsole-3.0: and update minor, need coffee |
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| 11:15.56 | Thorgard | Weee, my hard drive has informed Windows that a failure is imminent and that I should backup any important data. |
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| 11:16.08 | Orionshock | so no svn revision on minors eh? |
| 11:16.18 | [Ammo] | indeed |
| 11:16.35 | Orionshock | was there a jira? |
| 11:16.38 | Arrowmaster | people actually embed the RC1 version that you need to update the minor? |
| 11:16.48 | [Ammo] | it's a rule we decided on |
| 11:16.52 | [Ammo] | every commit should up the minor |
| 11:16.59 | [Ammo] | but it's checked before merging back into trunk as well |
| 11:17.07 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: we dunno, we just do it :) |
| 11:17.19 | [Ammo] | Omen embeds the RC1 |
| 11:17.21 | [Ammo] | for 2.4 |
| 11:17.24 | Orionshock | will it eventually? |
| 11:17.35 | [Ammo] | will it what eventually? |
| 11:17.37 | nevcairiel | never ever svn revisions on minor revs |
| 11:17.39 | Arrowmaster | is the trunk bumped +1 or to whatever the last minor was at? |
| 11:17.47 | [Ammo] | to whatever last minor was |
| 11:17.49 | [Ammo] | in RC1 |
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| 11:18.07 | nevcairiel | unless someoen forgot to increase it, then i increase it before i merge |
| 11:19.05 | Xinhuan | sounds way too easy to make a mistake |
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| 11:19.42 | nevcairiel | its always easy to make mistakes if you dont pay attention |
| 11:19.42 | Arrowmaster | the important part is just the bumping during the merge to trunk |
| 11:19.54 | [Ammo] | correct arrowmaster |
| 11:19.57 | nevcairiel | i make sure to do that |
| 11:20.02 | [Ammo] | but we try to force ourselves to do it on every commit |
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| 11:23.37 | voidwalker | quick question, can i play the draenai or blood elf in trial ? |
| 11:23.48 | nevcairiel | i dont think so |
| 11:23.57 | voidwalker | oh that sucks :( |
| 11:24.27 | voidwalker | i wanted to go for a draenei shaman, but then i can't use the 10 days trial key to get it to lvl 20 before i start the real game |
| 11:24.29 | voidwalker | i'm a cheap ass :D |
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| 11:27.08 | voidwalker | Who is eligible to try The Burning Crusade 10-day free trial edition? |
| 11:27.09 | voidwalker | Anyone who has a current paid subscription or has ever had a paid subscription to World of Warcraft can try The Burning Crusade. There is a limit of one free trial per account, however. Also, World of Warcraft “classic” trial accounts are not eligible for the Burning Crusade 10-day free trial. |
| 11:27.18 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63218 10Ace3/AceAddon-3.0/AceAddon-3.0.lua: |
| 11:27.18 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceAddon-3.0 |
| 11:27.18 | CIA-9 | - bump minor before merge |
| 11:27.51 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63219 10oRA2/Optional/Group.lua: oRA2: Optional/Group: Check if units exist before notifying about group changes to try and prevent an error. |
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| 11:30.02 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63220 10Ace3/ (26 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:30.02 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - (merge up to r62866) |
| 11:30.02 | CIA-9 | - AceTimer-3.0: CancelAllTimers() now cancels silent |
| 11:30.02 | CIA-9 | - AceConfigDialog: Add :SetDefaultSize(appName, width, height), sets the size the dialog will open to. Does not effect already open windows. |
| 11:30.02 | CIA-9 | - AceGUI: ColorPicker widget will correctly fire OnValueChanged for the cancel event of the colorpicker popup. Reset ColorPicker's color on Acquire. |
| 11:30.07 | CIA-9 | - AceConfigDialog: Fix typo in type check for range values |
| 11:30.09 | CIA-9 | - AceGUI: Fix Spelling of Aquire -> Acquire for widgets, all custom widgets will need to be updated. A warning will be printed for widgets not upgraded yet. |
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| 11:51.11 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63221 10Ace3/changelog.txt: Ace3 - add changelog.txt, changes should be appended to this file on every trunk merge |
| 11:51.11 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63222 10Ace3/changelog.txt: Ace3 - add changelog.txt to trunk too |
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| 12:05.51 | CIA-9 | 03peragor * r63223 10GridLayoutPlus/GridLayoutPlus.lua: |
| 12:05.51 | CIA-9 | GridLayoutPlus: |
| 12:05.51 | CIA-9 | - Fix small oRA2 nil error. |
| 12:07.57 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63224 10kgPanels/kgPanels.lua: kgPanels: fix bug in parent check |
| 12:10.26 | mikma | bah, need screenshots of kgPanels kkthx |
| 12:10.52 | nevcairiel | looks like eePanels |
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| 12:11.17 | mikma | eePenis |
| 12:11.30 | mikma | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/KgPanels .. |
| 12:13.35 | mikma | hmmmmmm. are there any other loothistory addons than Xloot? |
| 12:15.49 | Kalroth | you lootwhore! |
| 12:16.18 | mikma | yes yes |
| 12:16.31 | Kalroth | There's the CTRA log thingy used for DKP, dunno if that's what you had in mind? |
| 12:16.55 | mikma | i don't have anything in my mind, that's why i asked about it here ;D |
| 12:17.07 | mikma | http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7959/wowscrnshot022608134140bj9.jpg |
| 12:17.11 | mikma | that's xloot and it's cute |
| 12:18.05 | Kalroth | what's the problem then? :) |
| 12:18.40 | Fisker- | wtf mikma |
| 12:18.49 | Fisker- | i thought mr. pinchy's were rare |
| 12:19.00 | Kalroth | look at the timestamp, that's 1 hour of fishing |
| 12:19.03 | mikma | Kalroth: i just want to see all the other choices before using one :P |
| 12:19.08 | Kalroth | but yes, he still got lucky ;) |
| 12:19.10 | mikma | Fisker-: it *IS* rare |
| 12:19.20 | mikma | that's why the screenshot is so delicious |
| 12:19.39 | Arrowmaster | but how many minipets have you gotten from it? |
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| 12:20.18 | mikma | (that's a link from wowace ui screenshot thread) |
| 12:20.23 | Ellipsis | mr. pinchy never gives me minipets :( |
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| 12:20.49 | Fisker- | mr. pinchy raped my mother |
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| 12:27.02 | CIA-9 | 03ngollon * r63225 10SimpleSoulstone/SimpleSoulstone.lua: SimpleSoulstone: -another try to fix improved death =/ |
| 12:27.22 | [dRaCo] | imp. death? o0 |
| 12:27.24 | Ellipsis | improved death? what is that, a mage talent? |
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| 12:28.22 | Fisker- | priest talent i guess |
| 12:28.27 | Nargiddley | spirit of redemption is what I'd guess |
| 12:28.37 | Pkekyo|edu | MOO |
| 12:28.47 | Fisker- | shut up |
| 12:29.35 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63226 10CraftyGnome/CraftyGnome.lua: CraftyGnome: Map !-commands to specific trade skills. !cg or !craft replies with a list of commands the player recognizes. |
| 12:37.38 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63227 10CraftyGnome/CraftyGnome.lua: CraftyGnome: Remove some unused skill names from the skill table, still need to figure out if we need to have specialized skills like "Master Armorsmith" there or if the main skill, like "Blacksmithing", is enough. |
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| 12:39.27 | vhaarr | Anyone around with a specialized Blacksmith, Engineering, Leatherworking or Tailoring skill? |
| 12:39.52 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 12:40.02 | vhaarr | I'd like to know what /print GetCraftName() and /print GetTradeSkillLine() prints when you have the skill open. |
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| 12:40.46 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt be different than without the specialization |
| 12:40.58 | vhaarr | that is my guess as well |
| 12:41.07 | nevcairiel | let me log on my engineer |
| 12:41.20 | Arrowmaster | the craft frame doesnt show any different, still only says Tailoring at the top i remember that |
| 12:41.30 | vhaarr | indeed, I would just like it confirmed |
| 12:44.01 | nevcairiel | GetCraftName() returns "Gnomish Engineer" |
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| 12:44.34 | nevcairiel | GetTradeSkillLine is still Engineering |
| 12:44.58 | vhaarr | that's weird, I wonder what event fires when you open the engineering craft frame |
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| 12:45.41 | nevcairiel | when i open the tailoring craft frame and type GetCraftName() i get First Aid :P |
| 12:45.47 | vhaarr | haha |
| 12:46.05 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 12:46.13 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro * r63228 10GatherMate/Config.lua: GatherMate: Updated icon scale range to allow a max of 2 for scaling |
| 12:46.19 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: can you check if opening the engineering frame triggers CRAFT_SHOW or TRADE_SKILL_SHOW? |
| 12:46.24 | Ellipsis | what was the name of Funkeh`s fps/mem/latency display blocks addon? |
| 12:46.38 | nevcairiel | sec |
| 12:47.08 | nevcairiel | trade_skill_show |
| 12:47.12 | vhaarr | good, thanks |
| 12:47.30 | Arrowmaster | craft should be for enchanting only |
| 12:48.02 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: and tailoring is the same thing? |
| 12:48.16 | vhaarr | GetTradeSkillLine should return "Tailoring", even with a specialization |
| 12:48.27 | vhaarr | and it should trigger TRADE_SKILL_SHOW as well |
| 12:49.37 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 12:49.40 | nevcairiel | to both |
| 12:49.41 | vhaarr | sweet |
| 12:51.04 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63229 10CraftyGnome/CraftyGnome.lua: CraftyGnome: Engineering and Tailoring specializations removed, GetTradeSkillLine returns the base skill name, thanks to nevcairiel for testing. |
| 12:51.11 | vhaarr | then I just need to confirm Blacksmithing and Leatherworking |
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| 12:53.03 | [dRaCo] | vhaarr: just open the tradeskill window and call GetTradeSkillLine? |
| 12:53.16 | Wobin_ | I can do that for blacksmithing |
| 12:53.19 | vhaarr | I don't have any characters with LW or BS, or I would test myself, obviously. |
| 12:53.20 | Megalon | "Leatherworking", 375, 375 |
| 12:53.30 | Megalon | with dragonscale leatherworking spec |
| 12:53.34 | vhaarr | cool |
| 12:53.38 | vhaarr | Wobin_: thanks, that'd be nice |
| 12:53.56 | [dRaCo] | hm, guess megalon was faster :> |
| 12:54.22 | Wobin_ | 23:51:18 "Blacksmithing", 375, 375 |
| 12:54.51 | vhaarr | Wobin_: armorsmith, |
| 12:54.53 | vhaarr | err |
| 12:54.58 | Wobin_ | Macecrafter |
| 12:55.08 | vhaarr | Wobin_: armorsmith, weaponsmith, master axe/sword/hammer are all BS specializations, right? |
| 12:55.14 | [dRaCo] | ay |
| 12:55.15 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 12:55.17 | vhaarr | okay |
| 12:55.22 | Wobin_ | I'm master hammersmith |
| 12:55.39 | Wobin_ | I'm not sure if weaponsmith is a separate option though |
| 12:55.40 | [dRaCo] | everyone wants his lolherald |
| 12:55.47 | Wobin_ | nah, dragonmaw |
| 12:55.58 | Wobin_ | hemo rogue =P |
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| 13:04.13 | CIA-9 | BigBrother: |
| 13:04.13 | CIA-9 | - removed redundant code |
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| 13:10.07 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63231 10CraftyGnome/CraftyGnome.lua: CraftyGnome: Leatherworking and Blacksmithing specializations removed, thanks to Megalon, Wobin and dRaCo on #wowace for testing. |
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| 13:18.36 | Thorgard | Hmm |
| 13:18.37 | Thorgard | What's CraftyGnome do? |
| 13:19.20 | vhaarr | It's a stupified, simplified CraftList2 replacement. |
| 13:20.13 | SunTsu | vhaarr: will there be any help on search patterns? |
| 13:20.26 | vhaarr | SunTsu: there are no search patterns yet |
| 13:20.44 | SunTsu | vhaarr: OK, but there will be? ;) |
| 13:20.55 | vhaarr | I'm not sure yet, I don't really need them. |
| 13:21.03 | vhaarr | they just make things more complicated. |
| 13:21.30 | Thorgard | Never tried CraftList. |
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| 13:22.44 | SunTsu | vhaarr: I thought searching by whisper was the whole point in CraftList2 |
| 13:23.01 | nevcairiel | doing a AND search on all listed keywords would be nice |
| 13:23.10 | vhaarr | SunTsu: yes, that doesn't mean you have to deal with search patterns |
| 13:23.10 | nevcairiel | rather then doing a exact-text search on the string |
| 13:23.14 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: yeah I've considered that |
| 13:23.21 | vhaarr | it's probably what I'll do |
| 13:23.52 | SunTsu | vhaarr: Well, maybe pattern was the wrong word. Maybe criteria is a better one |
| 13:23.54 | vhaarr | SunTsu: CG just does a freetext search on all your recipe links of the input. |
| 13:24.06 | vhaarr | so there's no magic whatsoever. |
| 13:24.11 | SunTsu | vhaarr: Just on the names? |
| 13:24.17 | vhaarr | no |
| 13:24.20 | vhaarr | the entire tooltip |
| 13:25.16 | xyu | wow. so apparently i've had WWS logs logging all fights every fight for 9 months non stop. the Wowcombatlog.txt is 430,000KB ^-^ |
| 13:25.31 | Grum | that is tiny |
| 13:25.33 | [dRaCo] | gratz |
| 13:25.34 | vhaarr | SunTsu: when a search is made it iterates through a saved list of all your recipe links, concats all the strings in each tooltip into a lowercased string and does a str:find(input) and returns that recipe link if it matches |
| 13:25.39 | xyu | yeah it's not bad |
| 13:25.40 | Grum | you need to raid more xyu :P |
| 13:25.43 | xyu | haha |
| 13:25.51 | Grum | 50mb of logs on a night is normal |
| 13:25.51 | xyu | it has a few kara's in there |
| 13:26.07 | Grum | so that would be 8 nights |
| 13:26.11 | vhaarr | so while craftlist2 supports things like "!enchant bracer healing", that doesn't match anything in craftygnome |
| 13:26.19 | xyu | it only logged 1 char though, and it isn't my raider, thankfully :) |
| 13:26.25 | vhaarr | since no tooltips contain "bracer healing" |
| 13:26.33 | xyu | but it has logs from when i was in different guilds heh |
| 13:26.46 | SunTsu | vhaarr: Well that's the problem I have with CraftList. People search for something like "agili" and are overwhelmed by all kinds of responses they don't even care about. It just lacks for instance a search for a given quality or level or gem color and such |
| 13:26.58 | vhaarr | SunTsu: no it doesn't |
| 13:27.05 | vhaarr | SunTsu: your users just don't know how to query it correctly |
| 13:27.17 | vhaarr | CraftyGnome, however, DOES lack such searches. |
| 13:27.18 | nevcairiel | something like !enchant weapon agi should list all weapon enchants that give agility |
| 13:27.38 | Grum | or just the 'top ones' you can do perhaps |
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| 13:27.58 | Arrowmaster | addon cant determine 'top ones' |
| 13:28.01 | SunTsu | vhaarr: I don't know whether it really lacks, because there is no ways that I know to obtain an help on how to search ;) |
| 13:28.42 | Grum | Arrowmaster: it can by 'difficulty' perhaps |
| 13:28.42 | Arrowmaster | SunTsu: it doesnt lack, CraftList2 does very good on pattern searching |
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| 13:28.47 | SunTsu | vhaarr: And so I thought, that you might as well want to add a help command, so people can actually know how to search |
| 13:29.04 | vhaarr | SunTsu: There's no point now, since CraftyGnome doesn't support any search patterns. |
| 13:29.19 | vhaarr | SunTsu: CraftList2 does, however, but I have no idea if there's any help text for it. |
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| 13:29.44 | SunTsu | vhaarr: But how does anybody who does not use it directly, but just by whisper know that? |
| 13:29.47 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr: i think thats the point, add a '!-command help' or something that says that it searchs for EXACT matches |
| 13:29.57 | SunTsu | Arrowmaster: exactly |
| 13:30.06 | vhaarr | I could do that |
| 13:30.21 | SunTsu | that was just what I was hinting at. |
| 13:30.26 | vhaarr | SunTsu: I didn't make CraftList2, don't ask me about it. |
| 13:30.47 | vhaarr | I just needed that kind of addon, took a look at the code in CraftList2 and determined it was better left to rot. |
| 13:31.08 | SunTsu | vhaarr: You're getting me wrong, I was pointing out a week point I see in CL2, no actual help command that can be whispered |
| 13:31.10 | kadrahil | what's the max rest xp you can have? is it 2 full levels? |
| 13:31.16 | vhaarr | kadrahil: 1.5 |
| 13:31.19 | vhaarr | SunTsu: alright |
| 13:31.21 | kadrahil | vhaarr: ahh ok |
| 13:31.34 | CIA-9 | 03mikk * r63232 10Baggins/Baggins-enUS.lua: |
| 13:31.34 | CIA-9 | Baggins: |
| 13:31.34 | CIA-9 | - OOPS, also commit translations for my previous commit. |
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| 13:32.48 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: I'm just afraid that doing an AND search will increase the number of matches for most queries, and I have no idea how to prioritize the result set yet. |
| 13:33.14 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: I've considered checking the level of the person who queries and match that against the set in some way, but it's just too complicated for my liking. |
| 13:33.21 | SunTsu | vhaarr: How can being more precise increase the number of matches? |
| 13:33.36 | nevcairiel | sure it will increase .. but it'll provide more natural results imho .. when i search "weapon strength" i want weapon enchants with strength on it.. |
| 13:33.43 | nevcairiel | i dont see that issues tbh |
| 13:33.49 | nevcairiel | and screw prioritys :Ö |
| 13:33.51 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:34.05 | vhaarr | yeah you're right |
| 13:34.22 | vhaarr | it's currently set to return 5 results max as well, maybe it could be upped to a few more |
| 13:34.56 | [dRaCo] | well, priorities... I'd list high level stuff first, that should do the trick for most people |
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| 13:35.02 | nevcairiel | sounds like config option to me :D |
| 13:35.09 | vhaarr | haha, go die |
| 13:35.24 | vhaarr | [dRaCo]: most people, yes, but I'd rather make it work for everyone |
| 13:35.47 | [dRaCo] | it will work for everyone, the lowlevels just gotta read some more lines |
| 13:36.26 | vhaarr | I wonder how I'll make it sort by level |
| 13:36.44 | [dRaCo] | you could add an option to send more results |
| 13:37.01 | [dRaCo] | like "!enchant 10 strength" |
| 13:37.22 | vhaarr | yes thank you, I've figured how to solve that problem |
| 13:37.25 | vhaarr | but not the sorting |
| 13:38.37 | [dRaCo] | for most items, you could just do that while parsing the tooltip |
| 13:38.46 | [dRaCo] | not sure about enchants, though :/ |
| 13:39.09 | vhaarr | I can get the skill level |
| 13:39.46 | vhaarr | ah, now I know |
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| 13:49.56 | voidwalker | anyone here a draenei shaman? |
| 13:54.32 | doc^bla | how much reduction is a glancing blow? i'm confused right now^^ |
| 13:59.58 | vhaarr | 10% per level difference versus the player? |
| 14:01.49 | [dRaCo] | ya |
| 14:01.50 | [dRaCo] | http://www.wowwiki.com/Glancing_blow |
| 14:02.08 | CIA-9 | 03crashkurs * r63233 10FuBar_InviteFu/ (FuBar_InviteFu.lua FuBar_InviteFu.toc): |
| 14:02.08 | CIA-9 | FuBar_InviteFu: |
| 14:02.08 | CIA-9 | -Fixed a bug when zoning or logging in while in a raid group |
| 14:02.22 | kenlyric | doc^bla: it's ok to be confused by glancing blows, since blizzard is confused b y them too. |
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| 14:04.24 | voidwalker | anyone here a draenei shaman? |
| 14:04.54 | [dRaCo] | tauren, sorry |
| 14:05.02 | kenlyric | I am |
| 14:05.17 | kenlyric | errr, have one |
| 14:05.19 | ramoz | i do if lvl11 counts :P |
| 14:05.39 | syeren | I am :p |
| 14:05.41 | syeren | Elemental :p |
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| 14:09.39 | kenlyric | anyone know who to delete templates from Talented? |
| 14:09.50 | kenlyric | I've tried every modifier key combo I could think of. |
| 14:09.59 | Wobin_ | I do |
| 14:10.04 | Wobin_ | (have a drae shammy) |
| 14:10.06 | kenlyric | *how to |
| 14:10.11 | Wobin_ | lvl 27 though |
| 14:10.20 | mikma | Wobin_: oh me too, lvl63 :D |
| 14:10.26 | kenlyric | I think he's gonna leave us hanging anyway. |
| 14:10.37 | voidwalker | i have this choice i have to make |
| 14:10.47 | mikma | Wobin_: i made an addon for myself too! it'll display a HUGE earth shock -icon on screen when my target has Stormstrike and i have Focused :D |
| 14:10.47 | voidwalker | play 10 days trial get to lvl 20 then activate my account |
| 14:11.01 | mikma | Wobin_: http://wow.reaktio.net/chamois/WoWScrnShot_022708_215118.jpg |
| 14:11.18 | voidwalker | or activate wow and bc now and play a draenei shammy |
| 14:11.20 | voidwalker | what do you think |
| 14:11.21 | nevcairiel | just buy the account and play draenei from the start :P |
| 14:11.28 | kenlyric | yes |
| 14:11.33 | voidwalker | i bought them |
| 14:11.39 | voidwalker | they're sitting in front of me |
| 14:11.40 | kenlyric | hit is sexy |
| 14:11.46 | voidwalker | so shiny and couloured ;d |
| 14:11.47 | Wobin_ | why are you debating? |
| 14:11.51 | voidwalker | first game i ever bought |
| 14:11.54 | Wobin_ | what's the other option? =) |
| 14:11.57 | Wobin_ | Sell it back? |
| 14:11.59 | voidwalker | no |
| 14:12.09 | Wobin_ | oh, you're wanting the 10 free days |
| 14:12.11 | voidwalker | play a classic wow char for 10+30 days |
| 14:12.18 | voidwalker | or dranei shammy for 30 days |
| 14:12.25 | Wobin_ | how are you funding the monthly fees? |
| 14:12.31 | kenlyric | pick something the draenei can't be for those 10 days :) |
| 14:12.39 | nevcairiel | imho play the draenei from the start, screw the 10 days :P |
| 14:12.44 | voidwalker | yeah |
| 14:12.46 | voidwalker | i have lots of money |
| 14:12.50 | voidwalker | i'm just a huge cheapass |
| 14:12.51 | Wobin_ | I guess it depends on how long you plan to play =) |
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| 14:12.56 | kenlyric | rogue for 10 days like every other single person who plays the trial |
| 14:13.02 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 14:13.04 | Wobin_ | Cause if you're serious about playing it, then the 10 days means nothing |
| 14:13.16 | nevcairiel | yeah they'll be over in notime |
| 14:13.29 | [dRaCo] | why alliance? play horde, orc shaman. best enhancement race out there ;) |
| 14:13.37 | nevcairiel | horde if fugly |
| 14:13.40 | nevcairiel | *is |
| 14:13.53 | [dRaCo] | ya, but we rock. |
| 14:14.05 | nevcairiel | and we get laid |
| 14:14.17 | Wobin_ | [dRaCo]: What, you pop up huge configuration screens at the drop of a hat? =) |
| 14:14.32 | Arrowmaster | that was bad |
| 14:14.41 | Wobin_ | It really was =) |
| 14:14.41 | [dRaCo] | well, I dont care that much about getting laid ingame :P |
| 14:14.49 | kenlyric | clever, that |
| 14:14.56 | [dRaCo] | totally, aint it? |
| 14:15.35 | [dRaCo] | but seriously, 5 expertise and that AP thingy totally rock. |
| 14:15.47 | voidwalker | should i make another account if i have a bogus name for the trial one ? |
| 14:16.01 | nevcairiel | why? =) |
| 14:16.02 | Arrowmaster | bogus name? bogus account name? |
| 14:16.07 | Wobin_ | [dRaCo]: orly? How about expertise + diplomacy? |
| 14:16.12 | kenlyric | your questions are strange and off-putting |
| 14:16.14 | Wobin_ | cause diplomacy utterly rules |
| 14:16.23 | robotusch | sigh |
| 14:16.24 | voidwalker | no, bogus name in account |
| 14:16.28 | [dRaCo] | Wobin_: yeah, if you tell me how to create a human shaman :P |
| 14:16.28 | robotusch | 88 auctions running atm |
| 14:16.29 | Arrowmaster | voidwalker: did you enter a fake real name? |
| 14:16.30 | voidwalker | like only initials |
| 14:16.33 | voidwalker | yes |
| 14:16.38 | voidwalker | not really |
| 14:16.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah make a new one imho |
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| 14:16.44 | voidwalker | just incomplete |
| 14:16.50 | robotusch | should be fun to clear out my mailbox tomorrow xD |
| 14:16.55 | Arrowmaster | blizzard has gotten perty anal about the names on the accounts at times |
| 14:17.07 | Wobin_ | voidwalker: Meh =P You're signing your life away, you might as well give them all your proper details =) |
| 14:17.29 | voidwalker | nah |
| 14:17.35 | voidwalker | i have a strong connection with the real world |
| 14:17.42 | Wobin_ | This too., will pass =P |
| 14:17.50 | kenlyric | man, i'm dumb... i just tried to fight an elite when all I had to do was sheep him |
| 14:18.09 | SunTsu | voidwalker: You have. Until you start playing WoW for some time ;) |
| 14:18.17 | Wobin_ | kenlyric: content avoidance ftw |
| 14:18.30 | Wobin_ | kenlyric: I did that when rescuing Corki for the last time |
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| 14:19.09 | SunTsu | voidwalker: Some friend asked me if I could give him the 10 days trial key. I told him he should give it a second thought, I might as well give him a 10 day trial on cocaine |
| 14:19.22 | Wobin_ | You enabler, you, SunTsu |
| 14:19.41 | nevcairiel | just give it to them, you get a month free play if they extend the account :D |
| 14:19.56 | robotusch | :D |
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| 14:20.09 | robotusch | speaking of blizzard & names on accounts |
| 14:20.21 | robotusch | I'm still pissed off at Blizzard |
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| 14:20.35 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 14:20.42 | robotusch | I realised that two of my accounts had incorrect name info (one had my middle name, the other didn't) |
| 14:20.45 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Well, it turned out his computer was too old anyways ;) |
| 14:20.54 | robotusch | so I wrote an email to blizzard asking if they could correct it |
| 14:21.17 | nevcairiel | they banned you for account selling?` |
| 14:21.17 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:21.21 | robotusch | got the reply: "Sure, just send us the legal documents surrounding your name change + various personal info" |
| 14:21.37 | Wobin_ | .... |
| 14:21.39 | Wobin_ | name change? =P |
| 14:21.39 | nevcairiel | what does the name in the account matter anyway |
| 14:22.04 | Wobin_ | Here is the deed poll for my change of name to "Heywood Jablowme" |
| 14:22.07 | robotusch | nevcairiel, though about transferring the only toon I had left on one of them & needed the name to match |
| 14:22.19 | mikma | Wobin_: i would |
| 14:22.26 | nevcairiel | they really worry about that if first and last name match, but middle doesnt? |
| 14:22.30 | nevcairiel | they're picky :P |
| 14:22.35 | Arrowmaster | how much does a legal name change cost anyways? |
| 14:22.41 | voidwalker | ok, what leveling guide do you recommend ? are there any worthy ingame ones for draenei ? |
| 14:22.46 | Maldivia | hmm... if I'm mindcontrolled, will I still be 0x511 in the combat log, or will I just be 0x641 ? |
| 14:22.52 | nevcairiel | tourguide is pretty good, i suppose |
| 14:22.52 | Wobin_ | voidwalker: TourGuide |
| 14:22.54 | kenlyric | nothing, if you get married :) |
| 14:23.00 | robotusch | basically, the first one had "Kaspar Damm" as first name & "Larsen" as surname and the other had "Kaspar" as first name and "Damm Larsen" as surname |
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| 14:23.02 | CIA-9 | CraftyGnome: |
| 14:23.02 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.02 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.02 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.08 | Wobin_ | kenlyric: How can you say that =P |
| 14:23.09 | vhaarr | CraftList2 pwnt ^ |
| 14:23.10 | voidwalker | Wobin_ i got that, does it include draenei starting location ? |
| 14:23.11 | robotusch | TourGuide is sweet :> |
| 14:23.15 | Wobin_ | Do you know how much weddings cost? |
| 14:23.24 | robotusch | yeah |
| 14:23.28 | robotusch | has all starting locations |
| 14:23.35 | mikma | vhaarr: some noob is coding it, look at the name.. rofl, "rabbit", must be an tard |
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| 14:23.39 | kenlyric | I spent about $200 on mine |
| 14:23.48 | Arrowmaster | robotusch: email again imho get somebody higher in the support chain and blaim their system for dividing the name wrong |
| 14:23.49 | vhaarr | mikma: yeah rofl, I eat rabbits for dinner! |
| 14:23.52 | Wobin_ | see not free |
| 14:23.54 | vhaarr | :( |
| 14:23.57 | mikma | vhaarr: omnomnom! |
| 14:24.07 | kenlyric | but you don't have to have a wedding to get married :) |
| 14:24.13 | robotusch | Arrowmaster, good one, would try that - but sadly they locked down the other account >:(! |
| 14:24.17 | nevcairiel | just the legal wedding fees |
| 14:24.21 | SunTsu | voidwalker: I would recommend not using one for your first char, because you might miss a lot of fun |
| 14:24.23 | Arrowmaster | robotusch: why? |
| 14:24.30 | robotusch | .. another shining example of Blizzard cock-uppery |
| 14:24.38 | kenlyric | it was free in the county I got married in. |
| 14:24.42 | Wobin_ | voidwalker: I agree with SunTsu |
| 14:24.43 | voidwalker | SunTsu i played wow before, |
| 14:24.50 | voidwalker | but just trials and private servers |
| 14:24.58 | robotusch | Got a random email out of the blue, stating that there was a problem with my credit card & that I would have to supply them with various info |
| 14:25.07 | Ellipsis | Arrowmaster: they have a very strict policy actually, the last name on the account can't change without legal documentation of the name change |
| 14:25.18 | Wobin_ | robotusch: Did it ask you to log in and enter your bank account details? =P |
| 14:25.23 | Ellipsis | it doesn't matter if you typod when you created the account yesterday, you're stuck with it |
| 14:25.25 | nevcairiel | he doesnt want to change the last name .. just insert a middle name :P |
| 14:25.29 | robotusch | checked both accounts & both seemed to be working fine, so I just figured it was a scammer or something |
| 14:25.43 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: did you read the problem? the last names were different on the two accounts, fixing that would mean changing one of them |
| 14:25.59 | robotusch | two weeks later, new email, this time demanding I send Blizzard a fax with a photocopy of a personal id + my credit card |
| 14:26.03 | Wobin_ | Ellipsis: true, but the names were obviously the same |
| 14:26.10 | robotusch | .. still not bothering to tell me exactly what the problem wa |
| 14:26.11 | robotusch | was |
| 14:26.13 | Ellipsis | Wobin_: doesn't matter to them :P |
| 14:26.19 | Wobin_ | Although perhaps not enough for that low a level of support |
| 14:26.21 | robotusch | so I wrote back, asking what the problem was |
| 14:26.22 | Arrowmaster | robotusch: should have called tech support then |
| 14:26.26 | Ellipsis | they're not given authority to override that I believe |
| 14:26.34 | Wobin_ | Ellipsis: precisely |
| 14:26.36 | Arrowmaster | calling them always gets better results than emails |
| 14:26.39 | robotusch | never got the mail, one account got frozen & the other continues to work fine xD |
| 14:27.22 | Wobin_ | Meanwhile, Kaspar Dammlarson is wondering why he's getting random mail from Blizzard |
| 14:27.24 | Arrowmaster | did you bother to call customer service and try to get it unfrozen? |
| 14:27.52 | robotusch | nah, only had the one toon on it & I wasn't really playing him much |
| 14:28.07 | mikma | vhaarr: SS or it's a fail |
| 14:28.09 | kenlyric | I call blizzard every couple of months to try to get my banned account back, but they won't budge. |
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| 14:28.16 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63235 10CraftyGnome/CraftyGnome.lua: CraftyGnome: Properly hide incoming ! requests again. |
| 14:28.31 | vhaarr | mikma: of what, the addon or me practicing cannibalism? |
| 14:28.40 | mikma | vhaarr: both please |
| 14:28.47 | Arrowmaster | kenlyric: what was it you did to get an account banned again? |
| 14:28.55 | kenlyric | botting |
| 14:28.55 | vhaarr | ~fail vhaarr |
| 14:28.55 | purl | vhaarr: Fail. |
| 14:28.57 | Arrowmaster | glider? |
| 14:29.01 | kenlyric | yeah |
| 14:29.05 | Arrowmaster | thought so |
| 14:29.19 | vhaarr | mikma: there's no need for a screenshot, there's no GUI or options for CraftyGnome |
| 14:29.23 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 14:29.24 | nevcairiel | the ban is deserved, then |
| 14:29.28 | Wobin_ | I wouldn't budge either =P |
| 14:29.34 | kenlyric | nevcairiel: awww |
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| 14:29.40 | kenlyric | did I punch your puppies? |
| 14:29.48 | Grum | kenlyric: lol, botted? |
| 14:29.48 | Tem|AFK | yes, in fact |
| 14:29.55 | Wobin_ | kenlyric: is that what all the cool kids are calling them nowadays? |
| 14:29.56 | mikma | vhaarr: aww, fail. |
| 14:30.06 | Tem|AFK | fucking botters deserve everything they get if not a whole lot more |
| 14:30.13 | Tem|AFK | also, lol @ private server |
| 14:30.21 | Grum | why use glider tbh, they can clearly see that >< |
| 14:30.34 | nevcairiel | because gilder has the biggest ads =P |
| 14:30.34 | kenlyric | Tem|AFK: awww... obviously a botter raped your sister |
| 14:30.43 | nevcairiel | didnt blizz get gilder shutdown by now or something? |
| 14:30.52 | Tem|AFK | kenlyric, something like that |
| 14:30.59 | kenlyric | no |
| 14:31.03 | kenlyric | they had to rename it mmo glider ;) |
| 14:31.24 | Arrowmaster | i always laugh at how glider first got detected by warden |
| 14:31.48 | Tem|AFK | how is that, Arrowmaster ? |
| 14:32.17 | voidwalker | Account Type: World of Warcraft - no expansion |
| 14:32.17 | voidwalker | wtf? |
| 14:32.39 | Grum | bwhaha next time ebay a good account! |
| 14:32.52 | mikma | haha |
| 14:32.59 | mikma | that's so cruel. good one Grum |
| 14:33.00 | Arrowmaster | it was something to do with it hooking some function wrappers in warden that they found while running it in a debugger or something, but when not ran in a debugger it called the functions directly instead of using the wrapper, so the hooks did nothing |
| 14:33.38 | voidwalker | Account is already upgraded! |
| 14:33.50 | voidwalker | well it works with expansion in game |
| 14:33.56 | Arrowmaster | so it got detected before before even released |
| 14:33.58 | voidwalker | it just says no expansion in theaccount page |
| 14:34.10 | Grum | but kenlyric: you actually paid for a glider account as well? |
| 14:34.11 | Arrowmaster | voidwalker: i think they might give a trial of tbc to new accounts or something |
| 14:34.26 | kenlyric | it's clearly balanced and fair. Harass another player, warning. kill demons in aszhara that nobody ever goes near, lifetime ban. |
| 14:34.40 | kenlyric | Grum: yeah, and got what I wanted out of it |
| 14:34.49 | Grum | what did you get? |
| 14:34.57 | robotusch | a ban?! :P |
| 14:35.01 | doc^bla | except that you don't kill them yourself |
| 14:35.25 | kenlyric | the ban was a good excuse to reroll human priest from night elf :) |
| 14:35.32 | Ellipsis | kenlyric is bad people |
| 14:35.37 | Ellipsis | but hey, guess what, we all are in some way |
| 14:35.39 | Grum | so kenlyric, what did you get? |
| 14:35.46 | kenlyric | enjoyment? |
| 14:36.01 | Grum | out of what? |
| 14:36.03 | kenlyric | met lots of people I never would have |
| 14:36.06 | kenlyric | the game? |
| 14:36.17 | Grum | wait, you botted and met people? |
| 14:36.24 | kenlyric | I botted alts |
| 14:36.31 | kenlyric | I had a main. |
| 14:36.38 | Grum | so you autoleveled em? |
| 14:36.47 | Wobin_ | wouldn't you have met them even if you didn't bot? |
| 14:36.51 | kenlyric | no |
| 14:37.10 | Tem|AFK | Arrowmaster, lol that's awesome |
| 14:37.11 | voidwalker | ok, now, dranei shaman will be; now what kind of realm should i choose? |
| 14:37.17 | voidwalker | pvp i guess |
| 14:37.24 | Wobin_ | not quite following how botting alts led you to meet people on your main =P |
| 14:37.24 | Grum | ok, i was under the impression that when glider runs you can not play your char anymore because it takes over input, therefor you can not do shit |
| 14:37.26 | voidwalker | should it be full ? |
| 14:37.27 | Grum | so how did you mean people? :D |
| 14:37.33 | Grum | *meet |
| 14:37.38 | kenlyric | I stayed in the game because of the bot, and got sucked into raiding |
| 14:38.19 | Grum | right, and how did the bot provide that for you? |
| 14:38.21 | [dRaCo] | voidwalker: pvp can be annoying sometimes... |
| 14:38.22 | doc^bla | buy a second account for botting ;) |
| 14:38.30 | Wobin_ | voidwalker: I would choose a realm that's within your timezone |
| 14:38.36 | Wobin_ | So check up on that |
| 14:38.40 | voidwalker | how do i check that? |
| 14:38.47 | Wobin_ | wowwiki has a list I believe |
| 14:38.48 | Tem|AFK | wowwiki of course |
| 14:38.49 | kenlyric | Grum: because I wouldn't have stayed in the game without the bot. |
| 14:38.51 | bindi | hmm, can anyone help me? i had tinytip before but a week or 2 ago i updated and lost my settings... no real harm done but i cant get to the menu by doing /tinytip or anything else |
| 14:38.58 | kenlyric | I hit 60 and was like, "ok, done" |
| 14:39.12 | Grum | kenlyric: you didnt stay in the game, you had a bot stay in the game |
| 14:39.15 | Arrowmaster | bindi: there is no config now |
| 14:39.18 | Tem|AFK | bindi, see, this is why updating blindly is fucking dumb |
| 14:39.19 | Grum | but ok, so you went raiding? :D |
| 14:39.22 | Arrowmaster | bindi: yet |
| 14:39.29 | bindi | i deleted tinytip options |
| 14:39.36 | Tem|AFK | TT is being rewritten |
| 14:39.38 | Grum | sigh, bindi: use cowtip |
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| 14:39.42 | Tem|AFK | so it's incomplete |
| 14:39.42 | Grum | tinytips author is a cuntface |
| 14:39.46 | Tem|AFK | Grum, ew, no |
| 14:39.59 | Arrowmaster | tinytip still > cowtip |
| 14:40.05 | Ellipsis | god forbid someone devs in a svn trunk |
| 14:40.06 | Grum | cowtip works |
| 14:40.07 | mikma | calling Thrae a cuntface = BIIIIIG MISTAKE |
| 14:40.20 | Tem|AFK | Grum, so does TT |
| 14:40.21 | Tem|AFK | ... better |
| 14:40.22 | Grum | mikma: why? did it earlier today :) |
| 14:40.23 | kenlyric | it's not like the bot just works. It's a lot of work getting it to do what you. it just cuts out that horribly tedious third time through STV :) |
| 14:40.29 | bindi | so you cant configure it if i'm right? |
| 14:40.38 | Tem|AFK | correct, not in this version |
| 14:40.42 | Grum | kenlyric: you download some scripts others made and you are done ... ? :D |
| 14:40.43 | bindi | ok, thanks |
| 14:40.44 | Tem|AFK | but you easily revert to one that can |
| 14:40.44 | voidwalker | anyone know the europe realm with the best guild ? |
| 14:40.58 | Grum | voidwalker: 'the best guild' ? |
| 14:41.01 | kenlyric | not even remotely |
| 14:41.07 | [dRaCo] | check wowjutsu, if you really wanna go that way |
| 14:41.24 | Grum | if you are starting a char now you have 0 chance of getting in that guild tbh |
| 14:41.49 | Tem|AFK | 0 chance of getting into that guild before WotLK |
| 14:41.59 | Arrowmaster | bindi: delete TinyTip and install TinyTipBasic, TinyTipPositioning, and TinyTipTargets then you can edit the StandAloneConfig.lua files in each one to config it |
| 14:42.00 | Grum | even after chances are slimish |
| 14:42.01 | kenlyric | 2.4 |
| 14:42.10 | kenlyric | everyone will have the same gear in 2.4 ;) |
| 14:42.15 | bindi | thanks |
| 14:42.20 | Grum | kenlyric: not really |
| 14:42.25 | kenlyric | age of purples! |
| 14:42.31 | omeow | bindi: I had the same problem. I just deleted it and installed a stable version which I downloaded from curse. |
| 14:42.38 | Ellipsis | welfare epix for carebears too \o/ |
| 14:42.50 | *** join/#wowace ScoTTie_ (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) |
| 14:42.53 | kenlyric | hurrah! purples |
| 14:42.54 | Grum | Ellipsis: meh i dont like those 'BT' BoJ items |
| 14:43.05 | syeren | Well considering PVE is easier than ever too, they're getting their Welfare epics too :) |
| 14:43.06 | omeow | It's a bit weird. I figured that WoWAceUpdate would only contain stable versions but apparently not. =) |
| 14:43.07 | Grum | but kenlyric, your account got banned, no what? :D |
| 14:43.10 | kenlyric | man, I'm depressed that the purples in ogri'la require apexis crystals still. Nobody does those quests. |
| 14:43.26 | Ellipsis | syeren: I meant casual carebears like me :P |
| 14:43.28 | Arrowmaster | omeow: WAU has always had the beta warning |
| 14:43.35 | omeow | Yea, I must have missed that. =) |
| 14:43.36 | Grum | omeow: kek, the coders should keep trunk stable because it just downloads and publishes trunk, some just are not willing to do that |
| 14:43.37 | Arrowmaster | everything on wowace is beta |
| 14:43.45 | Ellipsis | WAU warns you on every startup that it's beta |
| 14:43.49 | Ellipsis | you can't just "miss" that |
| 14:43.53 | Grum | you can :P |
| 14:43.54 | Arrowmaster | trunk ~= stable |
| 14:43.55 | Grum | it doesnt here :) |
| 14:43.57 | kenlyric | you can turn that warning off |
| 14:44.05 | Ellipsis | you still have to see it at least once to turn it off |
| 14:44.11 | Grum | Arrowmaster: trunk == stable - depends on which mindset you are |
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| 14:44.19 | omeow | I think I turned the warning off. =) |
| 14:44.23 | Arrowmaster | wowace has never been trunk == stable |
| 14:44.34 | Arrowmaster | NEVER |
| 14:44.36 | omeow | Erm, I didn't want to start this argument. =) |
| 14:44.36 | kenlyric | wowinterface.com = stable |
| 14:44.42 | Grum | Arrowmaster: not for most addons, just for the good ones :p |
| 14:44.45 | nevcairiel | What i tell anyone .. if you want stable addons, update from curse/WoWI |
| 14:44.49 | nevcairiel | if you want bleeding edge .. get WAU |
| 14:45.07 | kenlyric | i like wau for the ads |
| 14:45.08 | omeow | I suppose that's true, but I really like being able to download updates for all the addons at once. |
| 14:45.12 | kenlyric | for crappy games nobody will ever play |
| 14:45.13 | omeow | And Curse is too brandished for me. |
| 14:45.18 | Grum | seems that addon coders are laaaaazy |
| 14:45.18 | Arrowmaster | even the good addons the authors will tell you wowace isnt stable |
| 14:45.28 | Grum | Arrowmaster: kek |
| 14:45.30 | Wobin_ | s'true |
| 14:45.32 | kenlyric | like that one for the fake pirate game with the pedo-friendly shirtless boy |
| 14:45.36 | Ellipsis | omeow: there are updaters that download from wowi |
| 14:45.41 | nevcairiel | every addon on trunk broke once or twice |
| 14:45.44 | Arrowmaster | except ckk because he NEVER updates his addons on other sites |
| 14:45.45 | omeow | Oh really? o_O |
| 14:45.45 | Ellipsis | and curse and that other one, for that matter |
| 14:45.46 | Tem|AFK | Ellipsis, defending people updating from trunk is a lost cause |
| 14:45.46 | nevcairiel | due to untestes updates |
| 14:45.51 | Wobin_ | Xparky is currently broken in trunk |
| 14:45.54 | Tem|AFK | it's fucking dumb |
| 14:45.56 | omeow | Which ones? I've searched there but never found one. |
| 14:46.02 | mikma | Wobin_: how broken |
| 14:46.06 | Ellipsis | Tem|AFK: when did I do that? |
| 14:46.06 | Wobin_ | Don't update =) |
| 14:46.14 | Tem|AFK | ... just now |
| 14:46.15 | Wobin_ | I'm rewriting it =) |
| 14:46.20 | Grum | Tem|AFK: tbh, its piss easy to keep trunk stable, addon coders are just lazy |
| 14:46.22 | Ellipsis | how so? |
| 14:46.30 | Grum | the system as it is is perfectly workable .. just coders cba to do so |
| 14:46.37 | Tem|AFK | Grum, no. It's not what trunk is for |
| 14:46.40 | vhaarr | w00t, Stargate - The Ark of Truth, SG1 movie finally released as dvdrip! |
| 14:46.42 | kenlyric | so now that it can attach to anything, can it still attach to fubar? :) |
| 14:46.45 | Wobin_ | Grum: Meh, I don't see it as a priority to keep it stable |
| 14:46.47 | nevcairiel | omeow: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8239-WoWInterfaceUIManager-Windows.html |
| 14:46.48 | Ellipsis | I said that wowace trunk is not stable, and if you want stable there are other sites and other programs that can do the auto-updating from those stable releases |
| 14:46.51 | Stanzilla | Deja Vu.. |
| 14:46.51 | Wobin_ | Cause that's not what it's there for |
| 14:46.56 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: downloaded and seen already :D |
| 14:47.01 | Grum | Tem|AFK: kek, that is *YOUR* idea |
| 14:47.01 | Ellipsis | how is that defending people who download from trunk? |
| 14:47.04 | vhaarr | damn you! |
| 14:47.06 | Arrowmaster | Grum: have you ever used merging in svn? |
| 14:47.16 | Tem|AFK | Ellipsis, then I misread, sorry |
| 14:47.16 | Grum | Arrowmaster: yeah, complete horrid |
| 14:47.17 | Wobin_ | Grum: It's painful =P |
| 14:47.20 | vhaarr | well I could have downloaded it 16 hours ago apparently |
| 14:47.21 | Grum | use svk :) |
| 14:47.25 | Wobin_ | That's why I don't do it =) |
| 14:47.25 | Grum | svk>svn |
| 14:47.31 | vhaarr | >< |
| 14:47.31 | Arrowmaster | which is why people dont use branches on wowace |
| 14:47.31 | kenlyric | I installed an SVN client yesterday. Just so everyone is warned |
| 14:47.33 | Grum | but still, that is no excuse not to do it :) |
| 14:47.35 | omeow | wow thanks nevcairiel. Going to check that out right away. |
| 14:47.44 | Wobin_ | Grum: excuse to do what? =) |
| 14:47.53 | Wobin_ | Nowhere is it stated that trunk is stable |
| 14:47.58 | Wobin_ | So why should we make it so? |
| 14:47.58 | Grum | not do keep trunk stable, 'because merging costs a tad of effort' ;) |
| 14:48.05 | Wobin_ | Not for me |
| 14:48.09 | Wobin_ | Trunk is for development |
| 14:48.09 | Grum | because people auto-update from it :) |
| 14:48.14 | Wobin_ | that's their problem |
| 14:48.15 | Ellipsis | Grum: then those people should be fired |
| 14:48.21 | Wobin_ | I offer working copies in tags and on wowi |
| 14:48.22 | Ellipsis | they are dumb and fail and deserve exactly what they get |
| 14:48.23 | Grum | Ellipsis: anyone using WAU ? :) |
| 14:48.28 | Ellipsis | yes |
| 14:48.30 | Ellipsis | especially if they use WAU |
| 14:48.31 | Grum | which is one hell of a lot of people ;D |
| 14:48.32 | Ellipsis | because WAU sucks |
| 14:48.36 | Wobin_ | It's true |
| 14:48.36 | kenlyric | catering to idiots who don't backup and who update 5 minutes before a raid does not sound like fun. |
| 14:48.47 | kenlyric | but is always fun for trolling joy in EJ boards |
| 14:48.55 | Ellipsis | if they're updating from a beta site and not willing to deal with beta issues then they're doing it wrong. |
| 14:48.57 | Wobin_ | WAU is unfortuantely a badly designed implementation |
| 14:48.58 | omeow | bleagh it requires premium membership? =( |
| 14:49.10 | omeow | (WoWinterface updater) |
| 14:49.11 | Wobin_ | omeow: relly? |
| 14:49.19 | omeow | Apparently. |
| 14:49.19 | Wobin_ | *a |
| 14:49.20 | Ellipsis | omeow: try WUU, I think it is? |
| 14:49.21 | Grum | Ellipsis: would be nice if someone put that on a banner of the front door, people wouldn't use WAU anymore and wowace would slowly start dying :) |
| 14:49.39 | Ellipsis | Grum: there's warnings everywhere. WAU does it every startup by default, nobody listens. |
| 14:49.45 | Tem|AFK | omeow, no it doesn't |
| 14:49.59 | Tem|AFK | wowi updater does *not* require premium |
| 14:50.05 | Ellipsis | it doesn't matter how many times you tell them it's beta, they'll do it because WAU is mainstream now |
| 14:50.08 | kenlyric | not sure how many more banners you could put up |
| 14:50.08 | Grum | tbh, there is no warning in WAU |
| 14:50.16 | Ellipsis | Grum: there was last I used it |
| 14:50.25 | kenlyric | These are BETA addons you are updating and you should expect to see cutting edge features which may not be fully functional or bug-free. If this doesn't sound appealing for you, stop reading this page and update your addons through release versions from mod sites instead. Some addons are more beta than others. |
| 14:50.25 | Ellipsis | but that was before the ads, so I dunno really |
| 14:50.25 | nevcairiel | Grum: there is, if you dont disable it :P |
| 14:50.30 | kenlyric | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WinAceUpdater |
| 14:50.31 | omeow | What does this mean then? http://omeow.ath.cx/waht.png |
| 14:50.32 | Grum | there is a 'WAU DOESNT BACKUP YOUR ADDONS' |
| 14:51.08 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 14:51.11 | nevcairiel | i suppose it needs a account, but not a premium account |
| 14:51.13 | Wobin_ | try your normal login account |
| 14:51.31 | omeow | I don't have one yet. =) |
| 14:51.38 | omeow | I'll go make one then. |
| 14:51.38 | Wobin_ | cause it'll use your 'favourites' on the site to determine stuff |
| 14:51.49 | omeow | Right. That makes sense I suppose. |
| 14:52.03 | kenlyric | I can't imagine running without "delete before updating" checked. Don't you get a whole lot of discarded files over time? |
| 14:52.19 | omeow | I don't want to have to sign up for this kinda stuff though. The program should keep track of my favorites since it will most likely be the ones I've got installed. |
| 14:52.42 | nevcairiel | we should require signup for the usage of WAU |
| 14:53.02 | Tem|AFK | lulz |
| 14:53.03 | Grum | but on http://www.wowace.com/mediawiki/images/a/a8/Waupref.jpg <-- which is the setting that tells stuff about BETA? :) |
| 14:53.10 | Tem|AFK | then throttle how often each account can update |
| 14:53.14 | Tem|AFK | that'll teach the nubs |
| 14:53.21 | kenlyric | that's a very old config screen |
| 14:53.59 | Grum | not really |
| 14:54.03 | Grum | its still the same |
| 14:54.09 | kenlyric | oh, it's "Display Backup Warning" |
| 14:54.20 | kenlyric | yes, really |
| 14:54.30 | kenlyric | since the current version is six months old, and that's not the current version |
| 14:54.41 | kenlyric | though the added setting doesn't actually work :) |
| 14:54.46 | kenlyric | "Save Old Version Info" |
| 14:54.54 | kenlyric | which it still does even if you have it unchecked |
| 14:55.39 | mikma | PTR Notes update - Karazhan attunement removed |
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| 14:55.54 | Stanzilla | welcome to yesterday |
| 14:56.06 | Arrowmaster | do we get a title for being kara attuned too? |
| 14:56.21 | mikma | assclown of violet eye |
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| 14:56.39 | kenlyric | Shade of <name> |
| 14:56.48 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 14:56.51 | Arrowmaster | omg |
| 14:56.52 | Arrowmaster | Durnholde Lookouts no longer spawn in the Heroic version of the instance. The placement of creatures around Durnholde Keep in Heroic mode is now identical to that of Normal mode. |
| 14:56.55 | kenlyric | I'd pay |
| 14:56.57 | Arrowmaster | best patch note ever |
| 14:57.05 | kenlyric | people go to heroic DK? |
| 14:57.09 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 14:57.18 | Arrowmaster | because of the lookouts |
| 14:57.21 | kenlyric | that takes all the joy out of the instance if it's work. |
| 14:57.34 | nevcairiel | the lookouts where a major PITA |
| 14:57.42 | nevcairiel | 15min respawn or what was it? |
| 14:57.52 | Arrowmaster | 5 i thought |
| 14:57.54 | mikma | something like that |
| 14:58.03 | SunTsu | Arrowmaster: Yiiiiiiiehaaaaaw |
| 14:58.09 | Arrowmaster | something retardedly low |
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| 14:58.15 | kenlyric | escape from durnholde was the most awesome instance because it was like a Pug every time you went |
| 14:58.28 | kenlyric | it was the one instance where you could count on always have one mouthbreather |
| 14:58.35 | kenlyric | *having |
| 14:59.00 | kenlyric | WHAT'S THIS SHEEP, I HIT IT! |
| 14:59.18 | Arrowmaster | <3 thrall |
| 14:59.24 | SunTsu | I only made it to the second boss, everybody was worn out at that point of time |
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| 14:59.47 | Arrowmaster | and its 3 wipes and your done after you start the escort |
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| 15:00.42 | kenlyric | I'm a sucker for outdoor instances though. |
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| 15:01.20 | Arrowmaster | Power Infusion: Infuses the target with power, increasing their spell haste by 20% and reducing the mana cost of all spells by 20%. Lasts for 15 seconds.This will not stack with other haste effects, such as Heroism, Bloodlust, or Icy Veins. |
| 15:01.23 | Arrowmaster | worst nerf ever |
| 15:01.28 | Wobin_ | wewt |
| 15:01.30 | Ellipsis | wtf |
| 15:01.33 | Arrowmaster | fucking useless spell now |
| 15:01.38 | Ellipsis | laaaaaaaaame |
| 15:01.38 | Wobin_ | inheritance based xparky bars done =) |
| 15:01.49 | kenlyric | PI never stacked |
| 15:01.52 | CIA-9 | 03peragor 07AutoLayout * r63236 10Grid/Grid/GridLayout.lua: |
| 15:01.52 | CIA-9 | Grid: |
| 15:01.52 | CIA-9 | - Prefaced all variables and functions with "dynamic" to make the new code more identifiable. |
| 15:01.52 | CIA-9 | - Fixed some of the event handlers to make more sense. |
| 15:01.53 | kenlyric | well, not since MC |
| 15:02.05 | kenlyric | sounds like a bugfix from when it was changed to haste, not a nerf. |
| 15:02.05 | Wobin_ | Didn't PI used to give +%damage? |
| 15:02.07 | Arrowmaster | it didnt stack with AP |
| 15:02.19 | Arrowmaster | yes it used to give like +30% dmg |
| 15:02.28 | Arrowmaster | for 20 seconds or something |
| 15:02.33 | kenlyric | yeah, they changed it to haste, but it was obviously never going to stack. |
| 15:02.38 | Wobin_ | so it's effectively Priestly Icy Veins? |
| 15:02.44 | kenlyric | and why would you want haste effects to stack anyway? they can only go down so far. |
| 15:02.46 | Wobin_ | but targettable? |
| 15:02.59 | Wobin_ | kenlyric: yeah, unless it reduces GCD |
| 15:03.02 | kenlyric | BIG NUMBERS |
| 15:03.06 | cladhaire | holy crap thats an ass-tastic spell |
| 15:03.17 | cladhaire | nerfalicious =/ |
| 15:03.21 | Arrowmaster | i still believe spell haste sucks unless its in large amounts |
| 15:03.35 | Wobin_ | Well, you can cast really fast. |
| 15:03.40 | voidwalker | uh, what kind of names were not allowed again ? |
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| 15:03.42 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight_] by ChanServ |
| 15:03.44 | Wobin_ | You just run out of mana -really really- fast |
| 15:03.45 | Arrowmaster | i equip my quags eye for SoC aoeing |
| 15:03.50 | voidwalker | two word names are not allowed? |
| 15:03.55 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 15:03.56 | Wobin_ | voidwalker: what sort of server are you on? |
| 15:03.59 | voidwalker | PVP |
| 15:04.00 | kenlyric | type them in and see what happens? |
| 15:04.06 | voidwalker | no i mean |
| 15:04.09 | Wobin_ | Should be fine with one word nams |
| 15:04.12 | voidwalker | a nick like voidwalker |
| 15:04.17 | voidwalker | it says it's taken |
| 15:04.20 | voidwalker | so i guess it's ok |
| 15:04.29 | kenlyric | or it's reserved |
| 15:04.32 | Wobin_ | It's a mobname? |
| 15:04.35 | Arrowmaster | probably reserved |
| 15:04.41 | voidwalker | nah, i have a voidwalker char on another realm |
| 15:04.44 | kenlyric | the name creations screen doesn't distinguish between taken names and reserved names |
| 15:04.55 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro 07Ace3 * r63237 10kgPanelsConfig/ (Bindings.xml Locales/kgPanels-enUS.lua kgPanelsConfig.lua): kgPanelsConfig: added a frame finder, with keybinding |
| 15:05.00 | voidwalker | ok but if it's not ok i will be propmted to change it right? |
| 15:05.07 | voidwalker | for free |
| 15:05.15 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 15:05.22 | Wobin_ | well if it's not available, it'll tell you that |
| 15:05.31 | kenlyric | depending on how offensive, you might be prompted and get a 3 day rest :) |
| 15:05.42 | Wobin_ | although on PvP there's less of that ruling =) |
| 15:05.46 | Arrowmaster | or they just randomly change your name |
| 15:05.51 | kenlyric | if you ever want proof that blizzard reserves names, try this search http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Legolas&searchType=all |
| 15:06.01 | Wobin_ | kenlyric: that's only wise =P |
| 15:06.17 | Wobin_ | can you -imagine- the number of nelf hunters there'd be? |
| 15:06.26 | kenlyric | well, just one on every realm |
| 15:06.35 | Ellipsis | and the new realms would have belfs |
| 15:06.35 | Wobin_ | it was bad enough on Lotro with the different spelling =P |
| 15:06.36 | kenlyric | and there are already 300 alternate forms on each realm |
| 15:06.37 | Ellipsis | way better! |
| 15:06.40 | cladhaire | you were saying: http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Legolass&searchType=all |
| 15:07.01 | Wobin_ | wtb some originality |
| 15:07.01 | cladhaire | BASTARDS |
| 15:07.01 | cladhaire | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Clad&searchType=all |
| 15:07.03 | kenlyric | I was much more clever, and went with Prettiest ;) |
| 15:07.16 | Ellipsis | dude |
| 15:07.17 | cladhaire | i dont even have a character named clad!! |
| 15:07.22 | Ellipsis | do you know how many Ellipsises there are? |
| 15:07.31 | kenlyric | 1? |
| 15:07.33 | Wobin_ | Aren't you already plural? |
| 15:07.39 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:07.40 | Ellipsis | about a billion, actually |
| 15:07.42 | Ellipsis | and most of them are warlocks |
| 15:07.47 | Wobin_ | well, duh =P |
| 15:07.56 | kenlyric | i'm not the only Prettiest |
| 15:08.05 | Wobin_ | Are you still the prettiest, though? |
| 15:08.09 | kenlyric | yes |
| 15:08.13 | kenlyric | the only 70 :) |
| 15:08.15 | Wobin_ | then that's all that matters =) |
| 15:08.35 | kenlyric | i'm the only avoision though |
| 15:08.42 | dieck | I'd say they had to reserve Legolas and Aragorn out of naming rights or something like that. Our chars belong to Blizzard, so it's them who break the rules of registered Trademarks ;) |
| 15:08.46 | mikma | cladhaire: legolass.. http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/10257/ |
| 15:08.49 | dieck | there are 2 Gandalf's, though :) |
| 15:08.49 | kenlyric | even though it's such an obvious rogue name |
| 15:09.06 | dieck | ah, no, no gandalfs, just Arena Teams named Gandalf ;) |
| 15:09.26 | kenlyric | avoision, it's a real word, look it up! |
| 15:09.41 | kenlyric | and crap, I'm not the only one anymore |
| 15:10.05 | cladhaire | worst fantasy name ever |
| 15:10.05 | cladhaire | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Cinniminson&searchType=all |
| 15:10.10 | *** part/#wowace kagaro (n=kagaro@cpe-075-189-136-021.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 15:10.38 | Wobin_ | rofl |
| 15:10.51 | Wobin_ | >< |
| 15:11.00 | kenlyric | you know the only reason I want my banned account back is to delete the chars, and give ownership of Death and Texas to someone else. |
| 15:11.14 | chexsum_ | my 2v2 name is resident evil |
| 15:11.15 | cladhaire | Wobin_: lol why the stabs? :P |
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| 15:11.18 | kenlyric | Death and Taxes |
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| 15:11.29 | Wobin_ | kenlyric: you can petition for a change in GMship if the GM hasn't logged on for a while |
| 15:11.29 | Xinhuan | what, kara attunement is removed in 2.4? |
| 15:11.36 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 15:11.37 | Wobin_ | Xinhuan: inorite? |
| 15:11.39 | robotusch | you still need the kz key |
| 15:11.42 | Xinhuan | wtf? |
| 15:11.43 | kenlyric | well, the only other guy in the guild stopped playing six months ago. |
| 15:11.45 | Wobin_ | Xinhuan: level 55 raid on kara kgo |
| 15:11.55 | Wobin_ | robotusch: nah, anyone can open the gate |
| 15:11.56 | Xinhuan | what's required then? |
| 15:11.57 | robotusch | in before "LF1M TANK KZ, HAVE KEY PLX" |
| 15:12.08 | Wobin_ | even if you're not in the raid |
| 15:12.19 | kenlyric | you probably need to be 65 or whatever like the other instances. |
| 15:12.27 | Wobin_ | since the gate is -outside- the instance |
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| 15:12.32 | nevcairiel | probably 70 since its a raid isntance |
| 15:12.33 | kenlyric | it's less like UBRS and more like Shadow Lab. |
| 15:12.34 | Wobin_ | unless they move it inside |
| 15:12.43 | dieck | I'd suspect a rogue could open the karazhan door. |
| 15:12.43 | Wobin_ | which they could do |
| 15:12.48 | kenlyric | nah, you only have to be like 65 or 67 to get into gruul |
| 15:12.49 | Xinhuan | well you need the key to open the door right inside? |
| 15:12.54 | Arrowmaster | bt says 65 to enter i swear |
| 15:12.58 | Wobin_ | Xinhuan: do you? |
| 15:13.01 | kenlyric | Xinhuan: oh, I dunno |
| 15:13.03 | Xinhuan | i don't remember |
| 15:13.03 | Wobin_ | I've never actually checked |
| 15:13.06 | kenlyric | I guess there is a door inside |
| 15:13.08 | Xinhuan | its been 5 months since i went kara? |
| 15:13.09 | dieck | like all other doors you have to get keys for that are no (longer) attunements |
| 15:13.25 | nevcairiel | the door inside opens itself after a while once you killed opera etc |
| 15:13.28 | kenlyric | Arrowmaster: pretty sure it's always max-5 |
| 15:13.41 | kenlyric | well, instance level -5 |
| 15:13.47 | Arrowmaster | not sure check naxx |
| 15:13.50 | Xinhuan | at least, blizzard got something right this time round - the attunements requirements in TBC are ridiculous |
| 15:13.50 | kenlyric | onxyia's lair says 55 |
| 15:13.51 | Arrowmaster | i think that was 58 |
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| 15:14.40 | Wobin_ | Xinhuan: The attunement for kara is stupidly easy |
| 15:14.46 | dieck | Onyxia? i think you have to be 58 to get the onyxia key quest chain, but maybe you "could" enter the instance at 55, providing you managed to get the attunement - which you can't have done before 58 ;) |
| 15:15.10 | Xinhuan | "stupidly easy" isn't the same as "stupidly long and boring", reference, onyxia quest chain |
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| 15:15.24 | Xinhuan | by ridiculous, i meant both |
| 15:15.29 | Wobin_ | Xinhuan: well, it's not long |
| 15:15.35 | Wobin_ | you don't even need heroics |
| 15:15.36 | kenlyric | I was just there last night |
| 15:15.38 | kenlyric | it's 55 |
| 15:15.39 | Grum | it is at the 'normal' level |
| 15:15.44 | dieck | I know you could enter ZG at 57 - was there on a sunday evening the first time at that level ;) And on thursday as lvl60 :) |
| 15:15.49 | Wobin_ | Onyxia was long =) |
| 15:15.53 | kenlyric | I was doing that banner quest in front of her lair, and didn't understand where to plant the banner |
| 15:15.56 | Xinhuan | it is fairly long since it requires doing 4 or so isntances |
| 15:16.14 | Xinhuan | onyxia chain requires you to even do the same instance 3 times |
| 15:16.16 | Wobin_ | Xinhuan: I prefer to think of it as gearing yourself up for Kara =P |
| 15:16.20 | Xinhuan | different parts of brd |
| 15:16.30 | kenlyric | I liked how you had to run to winterspring and then back to BRM |
| 15:16.32 | Xinhuan | i don't like to think of that in the context of alts |
| 15:16.34 | kenlyric | 27 times |
| 15:16.37 | Megalon | Xinhuan: the alliance chain? |
| 15:16.43 | Xinhuan | yeah the alliance chain |
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| 15:16.48 | Xinhuan | requires you to do BRD 3 times |
| 15:16.48 | Megalon | Xinhuan: than u never did the horde one.. hf |
| 15:16.49 | dieck | we attuned 4 players to Onxyia last week, was about 3h from start to attuned |
| 15:16.51 | kenlyric | I hear horde was worse. |
| 15:16.52 | Xinhuan | i did |
| 15:16.57 | Arrowmaster | horde has to do UBRS 3 damn times |
| 15:16.58 | Wobin_ | tbh, I reckon the attunement is fine |
| 15:16.59 | Xinhuan | i have both a horde and a alliance |
| 15:17.04 | Wobin_ | But it should apply to your account |
| 15:17.19 | Wobin_ | along with certain other quests |
| 15:17.20 | Xinhuan | the attunement isn't fine if it becomes a chore to do it more than twice |
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| 15:17.23 | Grum | dieck: you didnt do it with lvl55 chars :P |
| 15:17.24 | kenlyric | that's apparently what blizzard wants, but they don't know how to code profiles |
| 15:17.25 | Wobin_ | like the Caverns of Time intro quest |
| 15:17.28 | kenlyric | perhaps they need AceDB? |
| 15:17.36 | Wobin_ | oh god, I -wish- that was account based =P |
| 15:17.45 | kenlyric | attunements in the Default profile. Go |
| 15:17.54 | Xinhuan | like "unlocking death knight" - this is planned to be account based right? |
| 15:17.59 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 15:18.02 | nevcairiel | how else |
| 15:18.05 | Xinhuan | it would be ridiculous if you have to unlock it for every death knight you want to create |
| 15:18.06 | nevcairiel | you basically get a new char o.O |
| 15:18.21 | dieck | the Onyxia attunement quest chain has my favorite quest ever: "You must search the world for a being capable of restoring the power to the Fragment of the Dragon's Eye. The only information you possess about such a being is that they exist." Oh, good. it exists. |
| 15:18.39 | kenlyric | I expect this process to be horribly bugged upon release |
| 15:18.46 | dieck | a big GZ to the one who first found Haleh |
| 15:18.54 | Wobin_ | dieck: totally =P |
| 15:19.18 | Arrowmaster | Haleh? |
| 15:19.19 | Wobin_ | "Lets fight our way through these elite dragonkin for fun, and oh look a random rune..." |
| 15:19.22 | kenlyric | it was probably somebody running from the dragon |
| 15:19.27 | Wobin_ | Hallah? |
| 15:19.33 | kenlyric | I just wanted the ore!? |
| 15:19.36 | dieck | wasn't she called Haleh? |
| 15:19.38 | Wobin_ | kenlyric: It's true |
| 15:19.46 | Arrowmaster | the blue dragon in winterspring? |
| 15:19.48 | kenlyric | i know that's how *I" found her |
| 15:19.51 | Wobin_ | I ground out mining in WS by stealthmining that cave |
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| 15:20.04 | Arrowmaster | theres a quest from UBRS that sends you there.... |
| 15:20.06 | kenlyric | I didn't understand the rune was a teleporter |
| 15:20.35 | Xinhuan | oh i liked how she kicks you from WS to WPL lol! then you have to fly all the way back |
| 15:20.40 | kenlyric | so I looked in every corner of that cave, and on one of them I stepped over it |
| 15:20.51 | robotusch | wallclimbing to Haleh > * |
| 15:21.12 | Ellipsis | you mean there's another way to get to her? |
| 15:21.15 | kenlyric | but by the time it had drawn my character, I had run off the mountain |
| 15:21.21 | kenlyric | so I had to do it again |
| 15:21.27 | Ellipsis | I always assumed you were supposed to go up the mountain to her |
| 15:21.50 | robotusch | it could also be called mountain-climbing :P |
| 15:22.01 | kenlyric | wall walking didn't work in december 2005, or at least didn't work in the path described. |
| 15:23.41 | Camma | Wall Walking was fun, going in to Hyal to find the sign all the way at the end |
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| 15:24.17 | kenlyric | I made it once and could never repeat the feat. |
| 15:24.40 | kenlyric | I still don't understand why wallwalking in CoT sent you to karazhan. |
| 15:25.28 | Camma | bin there often. it was harder to get into Old Ironforge |
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| 15:26.14 | Camma | Climbing up the to the airport, juping down with slowfall and swiming the invisble lava |
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| 15:32.20 | Wobin_ | Yeah |
| 15:32.27 | Wobin_ | easiest way to haleh was to mountjump |
| 15:32.54 | Wobin_ | or at least for those without stealth |
| 15:33.19 | Arrowmaster | who else agrees with me? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4976340587&sid=1 |
| 15:33.41 | Xinhuan | lol @ even posting that |
| 15:34.13 | kenlyric | you need to show that to XI |
| 15:34.29 | robotusch | I'd say account-wide reputation items would be a better idea |
| 15:34.42 | Josh_Borke | lol and no |
| 15:34.47 | [dRaCo] | account-wide attument :P |
| 15:34.59 | [dRaCo] | s/attument/attunement/ |
| 15:35.00 | SunTsu | .o0( account wide level? ) |
| 15:35.04 | [dRaCo] | yay |
| 15:35.13 | Arrowmaster | did you guys even read the post? |
| 15:35.22 | Josh_Borke | yes, i did |
| 15:35.24 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 15:35.24 | SunTsu | Arrowmaster: Yes, I did. |
| 15:35.31 | kenlyric | in 2.4 alts should just start at 70 with 500 badges of justice |
| 15:35.45 | Josh_Borke | how's that any different than asking for account wide attunements? |
| 15:35.48 | Xinhuan | well technically Arrowmaster |
| 15:35.51 | Xinhuan | you still can get titles like |
| 15:36.02 | Xinhuan | Champion of the Naaru |
| 15:36.04 | Arrowmaster | because i said still doing the quests on the alts |
| 15:36.13 | Xinhuan | the onyl difficulty is NOT exceeding lvl 70 when you try to do the quest ;p |
| 15:36.43 | kenlyric | 70-71 will be what, 1.6 million xp? :) |
| 15:36.46 | kenlyric | probably doable |
| 15:36.47 | Arrowmaster | which reminds me now that character transfers are only 1 month.... i need to work on scarab lord title |
| 15:36.57 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 15:37.23 | Arrowmaster | you cant even start that quest chain until 70 i think |
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| 15:38.05 | kenlyric | probably, but you have all of 70 to finish it |
| 15:38.15 | Xinhuan | sounds like a potential flaw |
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| 15:38.19 | Xinhuan | go edit your post Arrowmaster |
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| 15:38.32 | Arrowmaster | why? |
| 15:38.51 | Josh_Borke | the quests won't reward enough XP to bump you over |
| 15:38.56 | Josh_Borke | but you'll have to do ONLY those quests ;-) |
| 15:39.22 | Arrowmaster | i edited it but probably not the reason you wanted me to |
| 15:42.26 | dodga | Hm, you can transfer to servers that have AQ gates closed? |
| 15:42.50 | Arrowmaster | should be able to |
| 15:43.02 | kenlyric | AQ gates closed and the collection effort done? |
| 15:43.05 | Arrowmaster | trick would be finding a server with the wareffort done but the gates still closed |
| 15:43.07 | kenlyric | does that exist? |
| 15:43.34 | Arrowmaster | i thought the war effort automaticly completed itself after a set amount of time |
| 15:43.38 | robotusch | it does |
| 15:44.00 | robotusch | though I don't think there are many left with the gates still closed |
| 15:44.01 | Arrowmaster | but the gates still dont open right? |
| 15:44.02 | kenlyric | so why do those dumbass npcs still exist? |
| 15:44.08 | robotusch | iirc all new realms start with gates open |
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| 15:44.21 | Elsia | heya |
| 15:44.26 | Maldivia | howdy |
| 15:44.27 | kenlyric | blue question mark, you vex me! |
| 15:44.32 | Hjalte | morning Elsia |
| 15:44.57 | Arrowmaster | they even added npc's to the new races in tbc for those turnins |
| 15:45.09 | robotusch | except the ones launched with TBC (there was a huge e-drama on one of the eu ones, when someone transferred in & completed it ahead of another guy who had been on the realm since launch) |
| 15:45.53 | dodga | A case of "tough luck" :D |
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| 15:46.33 | robotusch | yeah, there was a couple of threads on it, people were basically threatening to corpse camp him 24/7 |
| 15:46.55 | Ozguli | lol |
| 15:47.00 | Ozguli | like he'd care |
| 15:47.04 | xyu | i wish they would say that for me |
| 15:47.06 | robotusch | + a few more where people suggested that he should lose the title if he transferred off again |
| 15:47.13 | xyu | i'd love it to be corpse camped 24/7 :D |
| 15:48.06 | robotusch | ofc he didn't care, iirc he was in a guild that had already cleared BT/MH on another realm, so he basically took a break & levelled an alt on that realm while the transfer cooldown runs out |
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| 15:50.03 | Arrowmaster | bah aq wareffort page shows 222 realms with open gates |
| 15:50.14 | Elsia | lua> a,b,c={1,2,3} |
| 15:50.14 | lua_bot | Elsia: No output |
| 15:50.16 | Ozguli | lies |
| 15:50.26 | Elsia | lua> a,b,c={1,2,3};print(a..b..c) |
| 15:50.27 | lua_bot | Elsia: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate global 'b' (a nil value) |
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| 15:51.52 | Elsia | lua> a,b,c=select(1,{1,2,3});print(a..b..c) |
| 15:51.52 | lua_bot | Elsia: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate global 'b' (a nil value) |
| 15:52.08 | Kivin | {1,2,3} is only one value, a pointer to a table |
| 15:52.43 | Elsia | well I try to figure out an efficient way to handle that AceTimer only passes one arg without having to reference keys in tables |
| 15:53.14 | Kivin | lua> a,b,c={1,2,3},{1,2,3},{1,2,3};print(a,b,c) |
| 15:53.14 | lua_bot | Kivin: table: 0x6310b0, table: 0x631140, table: 0x6311d0 |
| 15:53.15 | harldephin | why does collectgarbage("collect") increase memory usage by about 25 mb? |
| 15:53.41 | Elsia | yeah I know that, so if I have a table {1,2,3} how do I elegantly assign them to a,b,c |
| 15:54.07 | Elsia | in that first in list is a, second is b etc |
| 15:54.08 | Kivin | lua> t={1,2,3}; print(unpack(t)) |
| 15:54.08 | lua_bot | Kivin: 1, 2, 3 |
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| 15:54.14 | Elsia | ah thanks |
| 15:54.20 | Kivin | lua> t={1,2,3}; a,b,c = unpack(t); print(a,b,c) |
| 15:54.20 | lua_bot | Kivin: 1, 2, 3 |
| 15:55.25 | Elsia | lua>t={1,2,3};print(t[1]) |
| 15:55.25 | lua_bot | Elsia: 1 |
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| 16:06.08 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63238 10CraftyGnome/CraftyGnome.lua: CraftyGnome: Slight code refactoring, added !help command. |
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| 16:06.43 | Elsia | !help |
| 16:07.04 | vhaarr | cg: Whisper me !kick to kick someone from this channel. |
| 16:07.29 | durcyn | Feisty. |
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| 16:08.00 | Elsia | hmm would "/msg vhaarr !kick vhaarr" work? |
| 16:08.17 | vhaarr | nah |
| 16:08.20 | Elsia | hehe |
| 16:08.35 | vhaarr | I knew people would do that so I protected against it |
| 16:08.43 | Elsia | how about self-kicks? |
| 16:08.56 | kenlyric | bah! |
| 16:09.14 | Elsia | hmm doesn't work, so no self-abuse :P |
| 16:09.14 | vhaarr | 4 people have actually tried !kick so far |
| 16:09.33 | vhaarr | 5 :P |
| 16:09.37 | kenlyric | ;) |
| 16:09.38 | vhaarr | rofl |
| 16:10.01 | Kurax | I never registered otherwise would be 6 |
| 16:10.06 | vhaarr | for those of you still confused, it was for my addon, not IRC |
| 16:10.19 | vhaarr | 7 |
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| 16:10.35 | mikma | yeah, is YOMAMMA now kicked from the channel (whatever it is)? |
| 16:10.51 | vhaarr | mikma: yomamma will be kicked soon! |
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| 16:10.57 | kenlyric | vhaarr: yes, but it should respond by kicking the requestor on IRC |
| 16:11.02 | kenlyric | no matter what nick they use |
| 16:11.04 | Fisker- | !kick Fisker- |
| 16:11.07 | kenlyric | for the proper type of humor |
| 16:11.08 | vhaarr | kenlyric: the addon? |
| 16:11.10 | Fisker- | it just doesn't work :< |
| 16:11.11 | vhaarr | that'd be neat |
| 16:11.13 | kenlyric | no, on IRC |
| 16:11.20 | vhaarr | what should respond? |
| 16:11.23 | vhaarr | my xchat? |
| 16:11.25 | vhaarr | :P |
| 16:11.37 | kenlyric | when people whisper you !kick <name>, it should kick the person that sent it. |
| 16:11.41 | vhaarr | haha |
| 16:11.52 | kenlyric | with a humorous response. |
| 16:12.07 | Elsia | unless they try to kick themselves intentionally, then you could just whisper back "go kick yourself" |
| 16:12.18 | vhaarr | and then on-join there should be some autohelp thing that sent a server message to the new person |
| 16:12.28 | kenlyric | I mean, I knew it was for the addon, but I expected something to happen on IRC. |
| 16:12.30 | vhaarr | "This channel is controlled by the people, to kick someone just type !kick Nick" |
| 16:12.45 | mikma | what the hell |
| 16:12.54 | mikma | what did Nick do to be punished? |
| 16:13.08 | kenlyric | sex tape with ugly girls |
| 16:13.10 | vhaarr | <nick> then |
| 16:13.16 | vhaarr | <> are not easily accessible on this keyboard |
| 16:13.18 | vhaarr | damn laptops |
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| 16:18.58 | Arrowmaster | bah i need to find a new antivirus to install on my dads computer since it seems avast4home isnt free forever |
| 16:19.25 | durcyn | avg |
| 16:19.29 | Wobin_ | aye avg |
| 16:19.32 | durcyn | it's a bit crap, but it doesn't cost |
| 16:19.34 | Arrowmaster | used to use avg on it |
| 16:19.49 | Arrowmaster | it wont update itself on a plain user account |
| 16:19.50 | Wobin_ | well |
| 16:19.51 | Elkano | Arrowmaster, antivir? |
| 16:19.56 | Wobin_ | like most free av programs |
| 16:20.00 | EvilJohn- | don't you have have to get a new key for avast? |
| 16:20.00 | Wobin_ | you get what you pay for |
| 16:20.15 | EvilJohn- | I've been running it for almost two years on one computer |
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| 16:20.21 | EvilJohn- | just had to get a new key |
| 16:20.27 | Arrowmaster | well all i have to do is register it |
| 16:20.29 | Arrowmaster | but i dont want to |
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| 16:20.43 | EvilJohn- | why |
| 16:20.53 | Wobin_ | Cause then the Man knows his info |
| 16:20.54 | Elkano | Arrowmaster: http://freeav.com/ |
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| 16:21.11 | EvilJohn- | just use a disposable email address for the key, problem solved |
| 16:21.19 | Arrowmaster | maybe ill use put kaspersky on it and use one of the many keys i have |
| 16:21.23 | Kurax | Free Adult Videos? |
| 16:21.33 | SunTsu | .o0( I don't believe in anti virus software at all ) |
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| 16:22.17 | genetik | SunTsu: do you believe in period scanning for viruses and other malware? |
| 16:22.53 | genetik | periodic, rather |
| 16:22.57 | Arrowmaster | i dont think ive ever run a full system scan on this computer, and ive been using the same windows install since 03 |
| 16:23.02 | Elsia | avast istn' free anymore? |
| 16:23.16 | SunTsu | genetik: No, I believe in keeping my software up to date, because all this only protects for known viruses, just like thinking does, too. |
| 16:23.19 | Elsia | I thought all you needed to do is register, but there is no payment |
| 16:23.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah just need to register |
| 16:23.33 | Elkano | if god is omnipotent, can he make a stone so heavy that he can't lift it anymore? ;) |
| 16:24.46 | SunTsu | Elkano: The answer is simple: To understand how he can you have to be a god yourself ;) |
| 16:25.05 | SunTsu | s/a // |
| 16:25.24 | SunTsu | It's monotheistic, after all ;) |
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| 16:27.41 | sb | <3 nod32 (but it's not free :o) |
| 16:28.00 | break19 | Elkano: and truthfully yes. He can make a stone, then say "I shall never lift this stone" and voila. it is done. |
| 16:28.28 | break19 | AVG ftw |
| 16:28.37 | break19 | and ClamAV ftw x2 |
| 16:29.29 | sb | well - doesnt matter - as long as you dont use mcafee or norton :p |
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| 16:31.46 | break19 | besides.. periodic scanning? do you often disable your auto-protect for periods at a time? if not, then why the periodic scan? the auto-protect will alert you if a virus attempts to run.. scan everything that comes into your computer, as it comes in, there's no need to scan it again, ever, unless something modifies the file, and most auto-protects scan when that happens as well. |
| 16:32.32 | Arrowmaster | wow calculating the crc of a 1.36gb file over a network takes a decent amount of time |
| 16:32.42 | break19 | but either way, doesnt matter to me. I havent run any anti-virus stuff since aug of '05. |
| 16:32.55 | SunTsu | break19: You do follow the discussion, do you? I was asked whether I scan periodically, because I said that I don't have a virus scanner running |
| 16:33.21 | break19 | SunTsu: the discussion has evolved beyond that. pay attention. :P |
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| 16:33.54 | SunTsu | break19: No it did not ;) |
| 16:34.04 | break19 | it did when I decided it had.. :P |
| 16:34.24 | durcyn | girls, girls, you're both pretty. |
| 16:34.34 | SunTsu | break19: No, you just went astray ;) |
| 16:34.54 | break19 | you call it going off topic.. I say its topic progression. :) |
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| 16:35.18 | rubik | nod32 has built in firewall too? |
| 16:35.21 | CIA-9 | 03merl 07Configuration * r63239 10mHud/ (Configuration.lua Locale/enUS.lua): mHud: Added a button to load the configuration table when using /ace3 |
| 16:35.22 | Arrowmaster | bah i need more music, so hard to find quality mp3s of the good mixes |
| 16:35.29 | break19 | aww gee, you think so hon? *wink* |
| 16:35.33 | Funkeh` | - Players will no longer need the Master’s Key to enter Karazhan. The gates to Karazhan will still require the Master’s Key to be unlocked. |
| 16:35.35 | Funkeh` | awesome |
| 16:35.47 | break19 | that sucks |
| 16:35.48 | Elsia | UBRS keying ftw |
| 16:35.51 | rubik | yeah.. what's NOT awesome is that you still need your key to go to, say, strath |
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| 16:35.59 | rubik | or yeah.. ubrs |
| 16:36.03 | break19 | i -just- got the fuckin kara key.. and now I wont need it. |
| 16:36.06 | durcyn | rubik: pick...lock? |
| 16:36.10 | Arrowmaster | i got the ubrs key on my rogue alt last week |
| 16:36.17 | SunTsu | break19: It doesn#t count if only one guy does it ;) |
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| 16:36.18 | rubik | no rogue. :P |
| 16:36.40 | break19 | SunTsu: not my fault you didn't follow along. heh |
| 16:36.57 | Elsia | they should lift keys by level. i.e. if you are level 70, 60 keys depricate |
| 16:37.03 | SunTsu | break19: not my fault if you can't focus on the topic on hand ;) |
| 16:37.10 | Elsia | then lvl 70s who want to BWL attune don't have to farm LBRS gems for a key |
| 16:37.24 | Arrowmaster | gems are 100% drop now |
| 16:37.27 | Elsia | ah |
| 16:37.30 | Elsia | well that's different |
| 16:37.40 | Arrowmaster | so one ubrs key per run |
| 16:37.44 | Elsia | I actually ran LBRS 35+ times to get all gems :/ |
| 16:37.48 | Hjalte | What's a good goldspamblocker addon these days? |
| 16:37.49 | rubik | since we were talking about (free) software to run.. what free non-bloated software firewall you kids running these days on a windows pc? used to use kerio 2.1.5 (super old version.. very not-bloated) but it BSODs my new laptop so using this Comodo thing now |
| 16:38.17 | break19 | rubik: software firewalls = teh devil!# |
| 16:38.21 | Arrowmaster | i use kaspersky internet security but its not free |
| 16:38.22 | rubik | i know |
| 16:38.29 | break19 | but, I use ipfw |
| 16:38.38 | Arrowmaster | although its not much of a firewall |
| 16:38.40 | rubik | but i need something simple that alerts me when something is trying to connect in/out so i can approve/deny |
| 16:38.41 | Fisker- | yeah remove onyxia attunement |
| 16:38.43 | break19 | but no windows, sooo. cant help ya |
| 16:38.46 | Fisker- | doing that = QQ |
| 16:38.49 | Elsia | has the EU ptr been down all day? |
| 16:38.53 | Fisker- | even if you are level 70 |
| 16:39.04 | Fisker- | They've shut down the PTR yesterday for a unspecified amount of time |
| 16:39.09 | Elsia | ah |
| 16:39.30 | break19 | however, I know avg has a firewall app now.. i dunno how good it is.. but if its like their AV stuff, it's worth trying |
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| 16:39.36 | Daemona | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4976339901&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 16:39.54 | Fisker- | btw |
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| 16:40.10 | Fisker- | anyone posted on the US forums that they might probably thinkg about removing support for those icons in the guild motd :P |
| 16:40.22 | Matrix110 | hu? |
| 16:40.24 | Matrix110 | which icons? |
| 16:40.41 | Fisker- | New feature in 2.4 |
| 16:40.45 | Matrix110 | oh |
| 16:40.46 | Fisker- | you can embed icons in the chatframe |
| 16:40.52 | Arrowmaster | lol you can put those in the gmotd? |
| 16:40.55 | Fisker- | yup |
| 16:41.08 | break19 | oh well.. avg's firewall is only available as part of their internet security suite, and it aint free |
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| 16:41.30 | break19 | its $54.99US for the whole thing. |
| 16:41.40 | Matrix110 | Hjalte try SpamMeNot |
| 16:41.46 | Matrix110 | so far i like it:P |
| 16:41.50 | rubik | break19: gotcha.. thanks.. will check those out |
| 16:42.03 | Arrowmaster | dont try SpamMeNot, it retardedly hooks everything |
| 16:42.15 | Matrix110 | gimme something better:P |
| 16:42.27 | Fisker- | http://i26.tinypic.com/sxhik7.jpg |
| 16:42.35 | Fisker- | Though i could just bump up the res to 256x256 |
| 16:42.37 | Matrix110 | Relegation is nice but to dependant on updates from users |
| 16:42.40 | Fisker- | and i can also have MOAR icons |
| 16:42.48 | Fisker- | so your chatframe is totally screwed rawr |
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| 16:45.28 | [Endeavour] | Is there any better way to check if an array contains a string than a for i=... do... if string.find Array.value.. end ? |
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| 16:51.40 | Elsia | for k,v in pairs(Array) do if v==mystring then stuff end end |
| 16:52.29 | Elsia | if the string is the index of the array you can simply use it, i.e. Array[mystring]=stuffitsreferencing |
| 16:52.52 | Elsia | say you have an array like this {["yay"]=true,["cool"]=true} you can do that |
| 16:53.13 | Elsia | i.e. if Array[mystring]==true then found it! end |
| 16:53.24 | Elsia | or just if Array[mystring] then ... |
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| 16:56.42 | Arrowmaster | i cant wait until i can get everything off of the harddrive of this other computer |
| 16:56.56 | Arrowmaster | then i can reformat it and get a new linux server |
| 16:56.57 | Grum | still dying disk? :D |
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| 16:57.05 | Fisker- | Grum |
| 16:57.08 | Fisker- | I WILL DESTROY YOU |
| 16:57.13 | Grum | Fister-: kwel |
| 16:57.42 | Arrowmaster | ive been linux serverless since the harddrive in my 166mhz p1 died |
| 16:57.56 | Arrowmaster | which reminds me i need to replace that harddrive |
| 16:58.15 | Arrowmaster | since that server owns |
| 16:58.25 | Chompers | Fisker-, gogo assassins creed |
| 16:59.00 | Chompers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:59.45 | Fisker- | owld |
| 16:59.50 | Saroz_ | nuked |
| 16:59.51 | Fisker- | but it crashes anyways |
| 17:00.04 | Saroz_ | Nuked [crack.won’t.get.you.past.level.1.wait.for.proper] |
| 17:00.09 | Chompers | fuck |
| 17:00.23 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 17:00.38 | Arrowmaster | i thought that wasnt coming out for pc till spring atleast? |
| 17:00.55 | Chompers | and it took a good 25 minutes to install |
| 17:01.21 | Arrowmaster | and its got really high hardware requirements right? |
| 17:01.56 | Grum | 25 minutes to install a game .. geez O.o |
| 17:02.11 | Hjalte | Hmm. Using the new leulier warlock spreadsheet with the 2.4 Emberstorm changes, speccing fire destru (instead of shadow) seems to give me ~125 dps increase. |
| 17:02.29 | Chompers | and some stargate film |
| 17:03.12 | CIA-9 | 03kivin * r63240 10KivinSpamGuard/rules/english.lua: KivinSpamGuard: enUS filter update. |
| 17:03.17 | Grum | Hjalte: what gearlevel? |
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| 17:04.43 | Hjalte | Grum: I'm in end t5 gear level - http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dunemaul&n=Lovesick |
| 17:05.14 | Grum | how much dps does it tell you you will have? |
| 17:06.01 | Hjalte | 1975 with shadow destruction and 2098 as fire. |
| 17:06.01 | Hjalte | That is raid buffed. |
| 17:06.01 | Hjalte | With an elemental shaman and a boomkin druid. |
| 17:06.01 | Arrowmaster | Chompers: the dvd screener with missing sfx? |
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| 17:06.12 | Fisker- | no |
| 17:06.29 | Arrowmaster | theres a good one out now? |
| 17:06.36 | Fisker- | yes |
| 17:06.40 | Fisker- | the previous one wasn't bad btw |
| 17:07.11 | Grum | Stargate.The.Ark.Of.Truth.REPACK.DVDRip.XviD-MEMETiC ? .. nuked REASON-custom.quant.matrix |
| 17:07.33 | Fisker- | what's that? :o |
| 17:07.53 | Grum | which one are you talking about ? kek |
| 17:08.08 | Fisker- | the nuke |
| 17:08.19 | Fisker- | haven't seen any problems with the release |
| 17:08.34 | Grum | seeing doesnt mean anyone finds a problem ;D |
| 17:08.40 | Grum | same with soundbitrates .. kek who cares ;D |
| 17:08.53 | Chompers | there are rules for a reason |
| 17:08.57 | Shirik | nevcairiel: ping |
| 17:08.58 | Arrowmaster | i dont even see that release |
| 17:09.10 | Chompers | otherwise you end up with non standard videos that fuck everything up |
| 17:09.27 | Arrowmaster | although im not looking very hard |
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| 17:09.55 | Grum | they just ran some tools on it i guess |
| 17:10.05 | Grum | not like you can see if it uses another matrix (or if you know what to look for) |
| 17:10.39 | Grum | Hjalte: have you ever gotten close to 1900 dps? :) |
| 17:10.44 | Grum | (non aoe ofc) |
| 17:10.51 | Hjalte | Grum: Yes, Al'ar :) |
| 17:11.10 | Fisker- | well what does that matrix thing mean Grum? :o |
| 17:11.13 | Grum | aaah phase one .. fun phase :D |
| 17:11.15 | Hjalte | First phase at least, but overall I can end up with ~1800 dps. |
| 17:11.16 | Grum | dunno Fisker- |
| 17:12.19 | Grum | well atm, there is no shadowresist boss ingame :P |
| 17:12.23 | Grum | so i'd stick with that ;D |
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| 17:12.41 | Chompers | Fisker-: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=318172 |
| 17:12.48 | Elsia | mother sharaz for a shadow res boss in game |
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| 17:13.27 | Grum | Emberstorm now also reduces the cast time of your incinerate spell by 2/4/6/8/10%. <-- its so funny that all 'pure' classes never have an 'also' in any talent |
| 17:13.31 | Grum | warrior/priest/mages |
| 17:13.44 | Grum | oh and hunter/rogue |
| 17:13.49 | Hjalte | The few fights where fire might have problems (Al'ar, Supremus?) I don't see as a major obstacle |
| 17:13.49 | Grum | and all other classes do |
| 17:13.51 | Grum | kinda sad |
| 17:14.03 | Grum | illidan phase2 |
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| 17:14.25 | kenlyric | sure we do. |
| 17:14.34 | kenlyric | "power infusion now also no longer stacks" |
| 17:16.47 | Grum | who ever has that in pve |
| 17:16.48 | Grum | seriously :) |
| 17:17.06 | kenlyric | pretty sure you didn't set limitations earlier in the conversation |
| 17:18.11 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63241 10aX_RaidStatus/ (RaidStatusCore.lua RaidStatusLocal-enUS.lua): |
| 17:18.11 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 17:18.11 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Localization |
| 17:18.11 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Global Override Bars |
| 17:20.20 | Grum | my discussion! i make up stuff .. ke |
| 17:20.22 | Grum | k |
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| 17:25.25 | Elsia | there is nothing like a unitispet call is there? |
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| 17:26.19 | Arrowmaster | UnitIsPlayerControled i think |
| 17:27.34 | Elsia | no that checks if it's a player, kinda redundant with UnitIsPlayer() |
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| 17:27.57 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 17:28.00 | Elsia | ah I see |
| 17:28.22 | Elsia | basically pet is not UnitIsPlayer() and UnitIsPlayerControled() |
| 17:28.31 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 17:28.34 | Elsia | cool thanks |
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| 17:29.09 | Arrowmaster | although becareful with that since i think it would identify mindcontrol/enslaved mobs and they might not be pets forever |
| 17:29.46 | Elsia | that's fine for my purposes |
| 17:29.54 | Arrowmaster | which is why i havent made any updates to guidreg since i want specific details on conbatlog results from those kinda situations |
| 17:30.29 | Elsia | it's really impossible to identify hostile pet owners but that's fine for me luckily |
| 17:30.40 | dylanm | How do you get the uh... the guild-like tag that pets get. |
| 17:30.52 | Arrowmaster | reading tooltip |
| 17:31.02 | dylanm | Freeeesssshh. |
| 17:31.32 | dylanm | That's what I thought. I prayed for a while that GetGuildInfo would somehow work. |
| 17:31.32 | Arrowmaster | but the tooltip:SetHyperlink("unit:guid") is going to go away probably |
| 17:32.05 | Elsia | is "unit:guid" still working? |
| 17:32.10 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 17:32.18 | Arrowmaster | i havent actually been on the ptr for a while |
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| 17:34.25 | Arrowmaster | down to 49.4 GB of media to copy off of this other computer |
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| 17:37.53 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63242 10Transcriptor/Core.lua: Transcriptor: Don't log unfiltered messages twice. |
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| 17:40.15 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63243 10/branches/Transcriptor/ (2.4/ Ace3/): Renamed remotely: Future ace3 version instead of the 2.4 version, see trunk for that. |
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| 17:43.28 | Arrowmaster | trying to free up disk space to copy this stuff over sucks |
| 17:43.36 | Arrowmaster | diskcapacity[C:\ (17.87GB Free, 149.04GB Total), F:\ (20.83GB Free, 232.88GB Total), G:\ (16.17GB Free, 232.88GB Total), K:\ (38.96GB Free, 465.76GB Total), L:\ (58.17GB Free, 465.76GB Total), Total (152GB Free, 1.51TB Total)] |
| 17:43.46 | Daemona | you sir |
| 17:43.52 | Xinhuan | delete wowtest |
| 17:43.52 | Daemona | are a partiotion-o-holic |
| 17:43.56 | Xinhuan | that's a lot of disk space! |
| 17:44.05 | jy | time to get another 500GB |
| 17:44.07 | Daemona | no, thats a lot of partitions |
| 17:44.10 | Arrowmaster | those arent partitions |
| 17:44.13 | Arrowmaster | those are drives |
| 17:44.27 | Daemona | learn 2 raid jbod |
| 17:44.30 | evilperro | Would an addon that does the following be possible to write (does the wow API code allow for it): In one single keystroke, for example as a mage when I press my fire blast keybinding, it checks the remaining hp of the mob and uses the appropiate rank that is enough to finish of the mob (thus saving mana than had I used max rank if the mob for example has only 200 hp left)? |
| 17:44.31 | Arrowmaster | fuck no |
| 17:44.33 | jy | lvm ftw |
| 17:44.42 | jy | or better, zfs |
| 17:44.59 | Arrowmaster | i have 1TB of dead 250gb drives that would say JBOD is a very bad idea |
| 17:45.15 | Elsia | UnitName() works for party member names, but what does it return? just the name? |
| 17:45.17 | Daemona | then suck it and do raid5 ,) |
| 17:45.43 | evilperro | (I know that you can't get the hp of the mob directly, but there are various addons out there that calculates if over time as you damage the mob and saves those numbers) |
| 17:45.49 | Arrowmaster | i will do raid5 (actually 6) but im not doing it on my windows box |
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| 17:46.03 | Arrowmaster | evilperro: no |
| 17:46.05 | Kivin | Elsia: If you're asking if it returns the realm, too, it does not. |
| 17:46.07 | Daemona | evilperro general answer: macro's don't allow conditionals in that sense. and using a addon to save 100mana while farming ... woah |
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| 17:46.16 | evilperro | :) |
| 17:46.23 | evilperro | min-maxing ftw! |
| 17:46.27 | Elsia | kivin: no I'm asking if UnitName(nameofpartymember)==nameofpartymember |
| 17:46.33 | evilperro | thanks anyway |
| 17:46.33 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 17:46.47 | Arrowmaster | if you input the name exactly |
| 17:46.50 | Kivin | Elsia: It should |
| 17:46.51 | Elsia | cool |
| 17:47.02 | Elsia | basically a fast check for party membership without roster scanning |
| 17:47.05 | Arrowmaster | i think you can input it in the wrong case |
| 17:47.24 | Arrowmaster | do UnitExists(nameofpartymember) |
| 17:47.36 | Elsia | k |
| 17:47.55 | Xinhuan | umm UnitName() will return 2 values |
| 17:47.58 | Xinhuan | name, realm |
| 17:48.08 | Kivin | realm is nil if it's a person on your server |
| 17:48.10 | Xinhuan | if the person is on the same realm as you, the second return value is nil |
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| 17:48.51 | Elsia | UnitExists is actually exactly what I want. I just want to check quickly if someone is still in raid or not after a change |
| 17:49.01 | Arrowmaster | using ... to test i dont think the second return is nil, it just doesnt exist |
| 17:49.43 | Elsia | lua generates the nil for nonexisting return values |
| 17:49.44 | Kivin | the second return exists |
| 17:49.46 | Arrowmaster | or test with dump a,b,c = UnitName(player),"c" |
| 17:50.00 | Arrowmaster | it didnt used to exist |
| 17:50.07 | Kivin | a /echo UnitName("player") shows "Basolisu, nil" to me |
| 17:50.17 | Arrowmaster | guess they fixed it |
| 17:50.47 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: a, b, c = anyfunction(), "c", will always have c be nil |
| 17:50.56 | ckknight | since it doesn't expand the splat |
| 17:51.14 | ckknight | it always truncates to exactly one value in that case |
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| 17:52.14 | Xinhuan | that is correct |
| 17:52.32 | Xinhuan | in any multi return value function, it is always reduced to 1 value unless it is at the end of a list of variables |
| 17:52.38 | Xinhuan | or surrounded by a ( ) |
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| 17:54.05 | Elsia | I thought surrounding by () forces to first arg return only |
| 17:54.35 | Kivin | lua> t={1,2,3}; print(next(t)); print((next(t))) |
| 17:54.35 | lua_bot | Kivin: 1, 1, 1 |
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| 17:54.43 | Xinhuan | correct Elsia |
| 17:55.21 | Elsia | ah I see you mean, there is no way to get a multi arg return mid-list but one can use single arg functions (or force them to behave that way) |
| 17:55.49 | Xinhuan | that's why for some silly cases like abc = tonumber((somestring:gsub("abcde"))) |
| 17:55.52 | Xinhuan | you need that extra () |
| 17:56.06 | Xinhuan | since gsub returns extra args about the number of replacements made |
| 17:56.24 | Xinhuan | and tonumber takes in an optional 2nd arg which is the base to intepret the string as |
| 17:56.34 | Elsia | neat |
| 17:56.35 | Kivin | When I was new to Lua, I liked to enclose my ipairs(x) and pairs(x) statements with extra paranthesis, and it always baffled me that i got errors |
| 17:56.48 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 17:57.05 | Xinhuan | pairs(t) returns 3 values: next, t, nil |
| 17:57.11 | Kivin | yep |
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| 17:57.21 | Arrowmaster | lua> pairs({}) |
| 17:57.21 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: function: 0x6290b0, table: 0x63d7d0, nil |
| 17:57.30 | Xinhuan | you might as well just have written "for k, v in next, t, nil do" |
| 17:57.35 | Xinhuan | and it'll save you a function call |
| 17:57.39 | Xinhuan | but it'll look cryptic |
| 17:58.24 | Elsia | does the compiler not inline it anyway? |
| 17:58.32 | Xinhuan | no heh |
| 17:58.34 | Kivin | nope |
| 17:58.42 | Kivin | it'll build a stack frame and all that fun stuff |
| 17:58.43 | Xinhuan | that is because all functions, can be hooked |
| 17:58.46 | ckknight | in case you overwrite pairs |
| 17:58.50 | Xinhuan | and replaced globally |
| 17:58.59 | Elsia | i see |
| 17:59.03 | ckknight | lua print pairs({}), next |
| 17:59.11 | ckknight | lua> print pairs({}), next |
| 17:59.11 | lua_bot | ckknight: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'pairs' |
| 17:59.17 | ckknight | wtf? |
| 17:59.20 | ckknight | oh |
| 17:59.20 | ckknight | right |
| 17:59.21 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 17:59.21 | Xinhuan | you forgot the () |
| 17:59.27 | ckknight | too much python |
| 17:59.32 | ckknight | lua> return pairs({}), next |
| 17:59.33 | lua_bot | ckknight: function: 0x6290b0, function: 0x629a80 |
| 17:59.34 | Kivin | If I leveled alchemy up to 350+ primarilly to make super hps for my tankadin, will I be dissapointed if i spec potion master? |
| 17:59.46 | EvilJohn- | yes |
| 17:59.50 | ckknight | lua> function next() end; return pairs({}), next |
| 17:59.51 | lua_bot | ckknight: function: 0x6290b0, function: 0x631090 |
| 17:59.53 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 17:59.59 | ckknight | pairs still returns the old next |
| 18:00.00 | EvilJohn- | you got a lot of procs |
| 18:00.02 | ckknight | cause it's done in C |
| 18:00.21 | Xinhuan | yah, but you can replace pairs() itself |
| 18:00.23 | Kivin | EvilJohn: Yes I'll be dissapointed or yes, go with it? |
| 18:00.49 | EvilJohn- | well |
| 18:00.55 | EvilJohn- | i would go Pot Master |
| 18:01.06 | EvilJohn- | flasks are easier to come by with Marks |
| 18:01.12 | Kivin | I have no use for flasks |
| 18:01.17 | Kivin | I've never used one and don't plan to start |
| 18:01.27 | EvilJohn- | raiding? |
| 18:01.33 | Kivin | yeah, but not serious |
| 18:01.37 | Kivin | kara here and there and a bit of za. |
| 18:01.47 | Arrowmaster | theres never enough fel lotus on the AH for my guild |
| 18:01.49 | EvilJohn- | i see |
| 18:01.49 | RaydenU | http://www.actiontrip.com/comics/at_comic258.phtml <-- is this wow related? |
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| 18:02.12 | Kivin | a 50g elixir, no matter how long it lasts, even through death, is completely out of the question |
| 18:03.09 | EvilJohn- | cheaper than using multiple elixir's generally |
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| 18:03.26 | rubik | yeah, all depends how many times you think you'll die |
| 18:03.36 | Kivin | +24 spell damage elixirs are more around my price range :P |
| 18:03.36 | EvilJohn- | if you get into the eye or ssc, you'll get a free flask roughly every other run |
| 18:03.38 | Kivin | like... 1g a shot |
| 18:04.24 | Xinhuan | flasks are, strictly speaking, unnecessary for any encounter |
| 18:04.32 | Xinhuan | in tbc |
| 18:04.43 | Xinhuan | after the great alchemy nerf that is |
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| 18:04.53 | EvilJohn- | i dunno |
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| 18:05.01 | EvilJohn- | maybe |
| 18:05.01 | Arrowmaster | my guildbank still runs the AH dry of fel lotus though |
| 18:05.14 | vhaarr | ~seen tuller |
| 18:05.17 | purl | tuller <n=chatzill@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 14h 9m 10s ago, saying: 'well it works with bongos, right?'. |
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| 18:05.45 | Kivin | I bring a couple stacks of unstable mana pots, a jar of superior wizard oil, and maybe a stack of 30 int elixirs with me. thats it |
| 18:05.47 | Xinhuan | i run the AH dry of adamantite ore daily :D |
| 18:05.50 | EvilJohn- | players provide their own flasks |
| 18:06.00 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: didn't you make some sort of addon that adds "X has Y in bank" to item tooltips? |
| 18:06.10 | Xinhuan | ya, BankItems |
| 18:06.17 | vhaarr | does it do guild bank? |
| 18:06.20 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 18:06.28 | Xinhuan | you can select which guild banks to include as well |
| 18:06.30 | vhaarr | because Bagnon_Tooltip does not |
| 18:06.36 | vhaarr | was hoping Tuller could add it |
| 18:06.48 | vhaarr | I'll try BankItems, tahnks |
| 18:06.49 | Xinhuan | bankitems does a bit more than just tooltips |
| 18:06.50 | vhaarr | thanks* |
| 18:06.53 | vhaarr | oh |
| 18:07.19 | Xinhuan | it is a bank/equipped/mail/bag cache basically, allowing you to see anything anywhere on any char |
| 18:07.29 | Xinhuan | generating the tooltip info is just a byproduct |
| 18:07.44 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: so it has frames, options and lots of other stuff as well? |
| 18:07.47 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 18:07.49 | Arrowmaster | how well does it handle mail? |
| 18:07.52 | vhaarr | crap |
| 18:08.03 | Xinhuan | all it does for mail is record the 50 items it sees when you visit the mailbox |
| 18:08.10 | Xinhuan | if you mail to a known alt, i add that in as well |
| 18:08.20 | Xinhuan | but it doesn't do stuff like mail tracking, doesn't say when mail expires, etc |
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| 18:08.40 | Kivin | one thing i wish arkinventory did was keep track of alts. items go "off the radar" until you scoop them from the other side |
| 18:09.05 | Arrowmaster | since they added the 12 items per mail thing i havent been at the 50 item max constantly |
| 18:09.10 | Arrowmaster | so nice |
| 18:09.20 | Xinhuan | i still go over easily |
| 18:09.25 | Xinhuan | since the stupid AH generates one mail per item |
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| 18:10.20 | Fisker- | ooh perhaps new patch today? :O |
| 18:10.22 | Xinhuan | its nothing fancy vhaarr, its just exact replica frames of the blizzard bag/bank system |
| 18:10.37 | vhaarr | Xinhuan: yeah but I only need the "byproduct", not the frames |
| 18:11.09 | vhaarr | bagnon already saves all the contents, so I might as well hack it to show guild bank numbers |
| 18:11.21 | Kivin | or switch to arkinventory :P |
| 18:11.29 | vhaarr | that'll be the day |
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| 18:11.57 | vhaarr | I never use addons whos code makes me puke, it's just a personal guideline I have |
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| 18:12.26 | Kivin | then you'd better hurry and uninstall wow |
| 18:12.38 | Kivin | seen framexml lately? |
| 18:12.44 | vhaarr | have you seen my /kick lately |
| 18:12.53 | Elsia | !kick |
| 18:12.57 | Kivin | *rolls eyes* lighten up, mate |
| 18:12.57 | vhaarr | :p |
| 18:13.09 | vhaarr | Kivin: you know PERFECTLY well what I meant, so don't get cute |
| 18:13.28 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 18:13.40 | Xinhuan | bankitems does not use a framework ;p |
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| 18:14.11 | rubik | Xinhuan: this bankitems of yours.. can i search for items somehow and it'll show me which toon has them? like antiarc's Sanity thingy? |
| 18:14.17 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 18:14.32 | rubik | nice |
| 18:14.50 | NeoTron | ArkInventory causes serious performance issues to me |
| 18:15.06 | Kivin | Really? I have no issues at all |
| 18:15.07 | Xinhuan | there should be little to no performance issues with bankitems ;p |
| 18:15.12 | Kivin | It's a memory hog, but what's 5 megs |
| 18:15.31 | rubik | Sanity used to have an issue where it'd forget items after every maintenance (weekly) but i don't think it forgets anymore |
| 18:15.36 | NeoTron | I changed from it because of the bad performance so yeah |
| 18:16.29 | rubik | i'm still using OneBag for a bag mod.. been meaning to switch to something newer but it works as is.. but some auto bag grouping of items would be nice.. like all them new bag mods have |
| 18:16.44 | Kivin | Now that I've started using ArkInv for complex sorting, I've considered looking for a different bag mod. But I didn't care for the alternatives last time i tried a few |
| 18:17.11 | Camma | Combuctor das a nice thing |
| 18:17.19 | Xinhuan | very very very few people use bag addons |
| 18:17.30 | Kivin | I wouldn't be able to handle wow without one |
| 18:17.32 | Xinhuan | you can easily ask your guild on /g |
| 18:17.32 | Aeyan | I do |
| 18:17.39 | Xinhuan | its very likely less than 10% uses a bag mod |
| 18:17.41 | Camma | I could'nt live without anymore |
| 18:17.45 | Aeyan | All the way back to the original allinoneinventory |
| 18:17.46 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 18:18.00 | Kivin | <3 AI1 |
| 18:18.21 | NeoTron | Aeyan: EngInventory still had the best layout |
| 18:18.32 | NeoTron | I've learned to live with the limitation of baggins |
| 18:18.45 | NeoTron | but enginventory still did significantly beter |
| 18:18.58 | Kivin | If I could drag and drop items to do complex sorting in ArkInv, I'd be completley satisfied |
| 18:18.59 | Cheads | Xinhuan did handynotes get abandoned or just not time for all your addons? =) |
| 18:19.15 | Aeyan | I loved the functionality of eng/baggins/etc but I never could get used to it for some reason |
| 18:19.17 | Xinhuan | not abandoned, i merely stopped, to wait for tomtom |
| 18:19.32 | Cheads | ok good to hear that |
| 18:19.34 | Kivin | i hate having to go through multiple levels of a chaotic pull down menu for each individual item to set which container it belongs it |
| 18:19.45 | Aeyan | I moved from AIOI to Bagnon to Combuctor |
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| 18:32.24 | rubik | hmm.. i might try Combuctor.. that's tuller's thing right? |
| 18:32.38 | Elsia | hmm is there any standard for storing alt inventory/equipped/banked items, seems there are an aweful lot of items doing this in one way or another |
| 18:32.48 | Xinhuan | Elsia: nope |
| 18:32.56 | Elsia | that really could use a standard |
| 18:33.18 | Xinhuan | given that a user is unlikely to have more than 1 such mod |
| 18:33.23 | Xinhuan | installed at any one time |
| 18:33.32 | Xinhuan | there really isn't any "need" for a standard |
| 18:33.32 | Elsia | well I have a few, because none meets all my needs |
| 18:33.51 | Xinhuan | just like how there isn't any standard for damage meters and how recap or recount or etcetc should be stroing their data |
| 18:33.52 | Elsia | armory, possessions, if I try combuctor, bagnon_* etc |
| 18:34.03 | Elsia | that's different though |
| 18:34.12 | Elsia | armory and possessions don't do exactly the same thing |
| 18:34.19 | Elsia | and combuctor doesn't either |
| 18:35.30 | Elsia | I actually have to count how many addons I have that track alt items :P |
| 18:35.35 | Xinhuan | again, a standard wouldn't exactly help, since posessions and bagnon each need to store their own data |
| 18:35.48 | Xinhuan | you can't assume possessions doesn't need to store its own data simply cos some other addon does |
| 18:36.03 | Elsia | there could be a standard to check if the info is present |
| 18:37.05 | Xinhuan | yeah so suppose user uninstalls bagnon, then possessions loses out because it assumed bagnon is there |
| 18:37.07 | Elsia | can libs have SV? you could have a standardized lib and they share the data through lib interfacing |
| 18:37.40 | Xinhuan | libs can have SVs only if they cannot be embedded |
| 18:37.57 | Elsia | that's fine though |
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| 18:38.26 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceGUI-3.0 |
| 18:38.26 | CIA-9 | - fix typo in chat warning |
| 18:38.37 | NightHawkTheSane | snrk.. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/So-You-Hacked-Our-Site!.aspx |
| 18:39.00 | Elsia | see what I'm saying is actually that it's almost modular in a way. combuctor uses bagnon's interface |
| 18:39.22 | Xinhuan | only because they were written by the same author |
| 18:39.54 | Elsia | well but you could have instead of bagnon_forever a LibAltStorage-0.1 that does the same thing but advertises it's functionality to all storage addons |
| 18:40.08 | Xinhuan | not all storage addons have the same requirement though |
| 18:40.17 | Elsia | example? |
| 18:40.24 | Xinhuan | hold on, boss fight |
| 18:40.28 | Elsia | good luck |
| 18:40.52 | NightHawkTheSane | baggins is a good example. it's alt storage requirements are vastly above and beyond that of, say, bagnon's. |
| 18:41.15 | NightHawkTheSane | and also, fairly unique to it |
| 18:41.37 | NightHawkTheSane | arkinventory as well |
| 18:41.55 | nevcairiel | why do baggins etc have to store more? |
| 18:41.59 | Elsia | hmm I use baggins but couldn't think of what you'd store extra for alts, can't you store filter sets separately from actual items? |
| 18:42.00 | nevcairiel | you store what is in which slot |
| 18:42.17 | nevcairiel | so you store what the default API gives you, after that you apply your own filters/categories/whatever |
| 18:42.29 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, i suppose. |
| 18:42.41 | Xinhuan | example, possessions only needs to know what items is stored on each character |
| 18:42.53 | Xinhuan | but bankitems needs to know exactly when bag number and which slot number each item is in |
| 18:42.56 | Elsia | possessions stores location |
| 18:43.00 | Elsia | you can search by it |
| 18:43.19 | nevcairiel | any sane bank addon would store location -> item string |
| 18:43.23 | nevcairiel | thats all to save, really |
| 18:43.24 | Xinhuan | example, another addon might need details of mail expiry details |
| 18:43.28 | Xinhuan | and mail arriving time |
| 18:43.38 | Elsia | why not save that separately? |
| 18:43.45 | nevcairiel | i thought we were talking about banks here o.O |
| 18:43.49 | nevcairiel | and inventory |
| 18:43.54 | Xinhuan | because the details of saving separately might not match up |
| 18:43.55 | Elsia | different requirements don't mean that you can't find a standard for the overlap |
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| 18:45.40 | Elsia | say you have addon a that needs data x + meta1 and addon b that needs data x + meta2, then you can sharedly store data x and that part will persist even if multiple addons are rpesent or replaced |
| 18:46.16 | Elsia | so yeah you can't guarantee integrity of meta1 and meta2, but if data x is a sensible set then a standard is still vastly preferable than duplicating data x and have no interoperability |
| 18:46.53 | Elsia | it's also just inconvenient.. if I try combuctor now, I have to rescan all alts, even though I have that information loaded 2-3 times already |
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| 18:47.22 | Elsia | it's like Threat vs Omen. separate data representation from gui if you can |
| 18:47.35 | Elsia | Alt data needs separation from representation by GUIs here |
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| 18:48.05 | mikma | ehehhe, typo in commit note rock rock |
| 18:48.06 | Elsia | then if you "reskin" you keep your data, i.e. if you switch from baggins to combuctor to tekmegatinybags |
| 18:48.48 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63248 10ClosetGnome_BigWigs/ClosetGnome_BigWigs.lua: ClosetGnome_BigWigs: Use Babble-Boss-3.0. |
| 18:49.12 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: its been done before but then it kinda fell apart |
| 18:49.21 | Xinhuan | the main issue is, everybody's addon already works, there is little reason for addon authors to come together to discuss such a shared library approach |
| 18:49.25 | mikma | iInterruptable -> interruptable :P |
| 18:49.32 | Xinhuan | and then all modify their addons to the new lib standard |
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| 18:49.33 | Arrowmaster | and if you have Bagnon_Forever you dont need to rescan alts to try Combuctor |
| 18:49.39 | Xinhuan | and that itself breaks backward compat |
| 18:49.57 | Elsia | maybe bagnon_forever makes a good standard? |
| 18:50.03 | Xinhuan | if i update say BankItems to the new lib format, that requires all users to rescan |
| 18:50.06 | Xinhuan | every alt |
| 18:50.33 | kenlyric | Elsia: so does Sanity's lib |
| 18:50.35 | Elsia | that's no worse than trying a new addon, but after they've done it they are done for as long as the standard is live and well |
| 18:51.08 | kenlyric | also, each of them tend to disagree about the best way to store that data :) |
| 18:51.17 | Elsia | well another reason why I'm asking all this is because I want an alt-item-compare addon, but if there is no standard that means interfacing with X potential data storage formats |
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| 18:52.31 | Elsia | some functions have established themselves as standard though, how did that happen? |
| 18:52.51 | Xinhuan | users requested it, mainly |
| 18:53.01 | Xinhuan | and because it made sense |
| 18:53.59 | rubik | there is still a 23 hour cooldown on creating an arcanite bar, correct? cooldown not removed until 2.4 or whatever? |
| 18:54.02 | Xinhuan | i only know of one standard addon supplied function - GetMinimapShape() |
| 18:54.08 | Elsia | well let me look at bagnon_forever and sanity's lib... maybe there is a sensible way to find a compromise |
| 18:54.08 | nevcairiel | rubik: yes |
| 18:54.14 | rubik | kthx |
| 18:54.32 | rubik | stupid pally level 60 mount quest on the alt |
| 18:54.34 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: GetSellValue() or something like that |
| 18:54.47 | Elsia | yep GetSellValue() for item value DBs |
| 18:54.53 | Xinhuan | 2 then ;p |
| 18:54.59 | Elsia | same storage argument actually for the item value DB |
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| 18:55.28 | Arrowmaster | they can store however they want, as long as they return the same way |
| 18:55.56 | Elsia | yep that'd be neat enough for alt bank storage though |
| 18:56.12 | Elsia | at least one can query what is already present and decide to store or not to store |
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| 18:56.52 | Cheads | uhmm if I have a /script in a macro... is there a way to make it work with [modifier:shift] etc.? |
| 18:56.57 | Elsia | i.e. if a bag addon finds a say GetAltItems() present they can support alt bags without providing their own implementation |
| 18:57.04 | Xinhuan | there are issues elsia |
| 18:57.10 | Xinhuan | because such a lib requires a savedvar |
| 18:57.20 | Xinhuan | it means it can't be embedded |
| 18:57.27 | nevcairiel | so does that sellvalue thing :p |
| 18:57.30 | Xinhuan | for purposes of distribution, its tricky for wowace svn for eg |
| 18:57.31 | Elsia | just like the item value lib does, that isn't a problem though isn't it? |
| 18:57.42 | NivFreak | mmm |
| 18:57.45 | Xinhuan | doesn't itemvalue lib can't with its own inbuilt db? |
| 18:57.47 | NivFreak | I love this new guild I put together |
| 18:57.49 | Xinhuan | it doesn't have a savedvar |
| 18:57.50 | Elsia | nah works well enough for item value |
| 18:57.57 | Xinhuan | does it? |
| 18:57.57 | NivFreak | first 25 man last night, gruul dies at grow 10 |
| 18:57.58 | nevcairiel | if people want it, they install it |
| 18:58.07 | Elsia | lemme check |
| 18:58.07 | NivFreak | One shots on Gruul and VR |
| 18:58.08 | Arrowmaster | the libs dont for itemvalue |
| 18:58.11 | Xinhuan | doesn't itemvalue lib come* with its own inbuilt db? |
| 18:58.13 | Arrowmaster | the addons do |
| 18:58.13 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: SellFish does |
| 18:58.22 | Arrowmaster | sellfish isnt a lib |
| 18:58.28 | nevcairiel | i didnt say that, did i? |
| 18:59.14 | Xinhuan | well the issue is in updating, if user downloads AddonA with revision 12345 of the lib, and then downloads addonB with revision 12340 of the lib, then the user would overwrite 12345 with 12340 |
| 18:59.20 | Xinhuan | since its a standalone addon lib |
| 18:59.36 | Elsia | it really doesn't matter who stores as I said. any addon can provide storage, there can even be multiple present. it's a matter of bag addons having unified access to what's already there |
| 18:59.37 | nevcairiel | happens |
| 18:59.37 | Xinhuan | and it may cause issues for the addon that needs 12345 |
| 18:59.43 | Elsia | that's what GetSellValue() does |
| 18:59.52 | Elsia | no matter if a standalone lib or an addon provides it |
| 18:59.56 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63249 10ClosetGnome_Zone/ (ClosetGnome_Zone.lua ClosetGnome_Zone.toc): ClosetGnome_Zone: Get rid of the SEMount dependency. |
| 19:00.19 | nevcairiel | for such addons/libraries there should be one finalized API, that never changes .. and if it does, the author of that lib deserves the blame he gets |
| 19:00.30 | Elsia | packaging isn't a big concern, if you tell users: get X to get alt support they will get it just like they will get cartographer_waypoint |
| 19:00.46 | Xinhuan | ok here's the deal, do you want to write such a lib? :) |
| 19:01.04 | Elsia | I might |
| 19:01.11 | vhaarr | why can't you use Bagnon_Forever? |
| 19:01.17 | Elsia | I might |
| 19:02.25 | Elsia | if I write the lib I'll look at what's around (bagnon_forever, character_profiler, sanity etc) and see if there is a neat compromise |
| 19:02.46 | Elsia | maybe bagnon is a good compromise, but I haven't looked at any of these |
| 19:03.00 | vhaarr | nevcairiel already explained how it should work |
| 19:03.03 | vhaarr | there's really no other way to save it |
| 19:03.14 | Elsia | yep, location->item string |
| 19:03.27 | vhaarr | so don't look around, either make a new lib or use bagnon_forever |
| 19:03.32 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: it didnt seem to me that they listened :P |
| 19:03.47 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: you need to write in all caps and use mIRC colors |
| 19:03.51 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: have you learned nothing?! |
| 19:04.17 | Elsia | funny enough I proved that I listened before the compaints started going haywire again ;) |
| 19:04.33 | Elsia | and I'll still look around ;) |
| 19:04.34 | vhaarr | funny enough the last 20 minutes of discussion proves to me that you talk too much |
| 19:04.44 | Elsia | bah |
| 19:04.52 | nevcairiel | ha |
| 19:05.26 | nevcairiel | i only noticed now from her hostname, she even is german |
| 19:07.12 | Xinhuan | /chuckle |
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| 19:11.57 | Ozguli | what does the new shiny omen bring? |
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| 19:12.09 | Ozguli | for healers mostly |
| 19:12.12 | nevcairiel | more shinyness! |
| 19:12.18 | Ozguli | I'm eager to know |
| 19:12.26 | nevcairiel | hop on ptr and try it out |
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| 19:12.32 | nevcairiel | altho healer mode doesnt really work yet |
| 19:12.43 | Ozguli | nah won't get the ptr just to test one addon |
| 19:12.54 | nevcairiel | thats what its for :D |
| 19:13.12 | Ozguli | still meh |
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| 19:24.19 | vhaarr | if I want to create a traditional "Label" type widget for showing just a text string inside another frame, what would I use? |
| 19:24.35 | vhaarr | is it just a FontString? |
| 19:24.40 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 19:25.05 | Josh_Borke | be sure to inherit from something |
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| 19:25.18 | fatbrain | Who broke TinyTip? |
| 19:25.27 | vhaarr | the author did |
| 19:25.41 | fatbrain | owww, how self destructive |
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| 19:26.19 | vhaarr | Josh_Borke: ah, so local f = CreateFrame(...); f:CreateFontString(...) ? |
| 19:27.07 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: yes |
| 19:27.09 | vhaarr | do I need to set the height and width of a fontstring, or is it adjusted dynamically? |
| 19:27.11 | Josh_Borke | vhaar: yes |
| 19:27.17 | vhaarr | and more importantly, will it autoadjust the parent frame? |
| 19:27.25 | Josh_Borke | no, it does not auto-adjust |
| 19:27.28 | vhaarr | crap! |
| 19:27.29 | nevcairiel | depends how you set-point it |
| 19:27.31 | vhaarr | oh |
| 19:27.39 | nevcairiel | if you set it to anchor on left and right |
| 19:27.42 | nevcairiel | it should auto-adjust |
| 19:27.56 | doc^bla | on left/right it does |
| 19:27.59 | vhaarr | but it won't autosize the parent frame to make the text fit? |
| 19:28.06 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: no, that not |
| 19:28.07 | Josh_Borke | hell no |
| 19:28.24 | vhaarr | so how can I make sure it does? :GetStringWidth() and set the parent frames width to that? |
| 19:28.27 | Josh_Borke | which let me tell you, is a bitch |
| 19:28.39 | Josh_Borke | let me know when you figure it out |
| 19:28.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:28.48 | vhaarr | :P |
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| 19:30.02 | [Ammo] | vhaarr: don't forget to adjust GetStringWidth() for scale |
| 19:30.07 | [Ammo] | since it returns the scaled width |
| 19:30.08 | [Ammo] | afaik |
| 19:30.43 | vhaarr | I think you're right |
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| 19:43.51 | Jagobah | Hmmm I need to see if I can hack cowtip to make it display all capital letters |
| 19:44.08 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:44.13 | Arrowmaster | use dogtag |
| 19:46.54 | Jagobah | aww :( |
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| 19:50.30 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan * r63250 10Routes/Routes.lua: |
| 19:50.30 | CIA-9 | Routes: Fix issue where routes in Routes did not update automatically when |
| 19:50.30 | CIA-9 | harvesting a node. This error resulted from using the wrong variable name in |
| 19:50.30 | CIA-9 | OnEnable() so the callbacks didn't get registered. Only took 2 weeks to find the |
| 19:50.30 | CIA-9 | problem. :( |
| 19:50.31 | Jagobah | hmmm dogtag1.0 and libdogtag2.0 X_X |
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| 19:51.08 | Arrowmaster | your already using libdogtag2 |
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| 19:58.22 | CIA-9 | 03odlaw * r63252 10PassLoot/PassLoot.toc: |
| 19:58.22 | CIA-9 | PassLoot: |
| 19:58.22 | CIA-9 | - toc update - X-meta tags |
| 20:01.42 | Arrowmaster | so theres an inline group thing in aceconfig3? |
| 20:02.24 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 20:03.39 | Hrack | There any way to make a 2nd level dropdown menu with aceconfig3? |
| 20:03.42 | Arrowmaster | such as when we actually have a dropdown lib i can make a group inside the main group and set it to inline and anything i put in that group will be displayed as if each one was inside the main group instead of the sub group? |
| 20:04.18 | nevcairiel | thats the plan |
| 20:04.26 | Arrowmaster | how does order work with that? |
| 20:04.27 | nevcairiel | it already works exactly like that in AceConfigCmd |
| 20:04.40 | nevcairiel | good question |
| 20:05.01 | nevcairiel | i suppose it gets inserted at the position where the inline group is |
| 20:05.03 | nevcairiel | or, order values are directly inherited |
| 20:05.29 | Arrowmaster | so the groups order value is used? |
| 20:05.57 | Arrowmaster | but for the things inside the group their own order value determines the position inside the inline group? |
| 20:06.06 | nevcairiel | thats the case in Dialog, yes |
| 20:06.13 | Arrowmaster | good |
| 20:06.39 | nevcairiel | Altho in dialog, if you give the inline group a name, it'll have a border and a different background |
| 20:06.45 | nevcairiel | and the name on top |
| 20:06.58 | nevcairiel | if you set name to "" it wont do that |
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| 20:08.28 | nevcairiel | oh yeah Cmd does it that way too, it'll insert the inline group elements at the position where the order would place the inline group |
| 20:08.53 | nevcairiel | so a, b, group, c where group contains e,f would become a, b, e, f, c |
| 20:10.31 | Arrowmaster | options tables should be completely registered by the end of oninit generally right? |
| 20:10.48 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:10.58 | nevcairiel | you can change it afterwards, register it later .. do what you want :P |
| 20:11.03 | Arrowmaster | bah |
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| 20:11.23 | nevcairiel | you can even change it while its open, you just have to tell AceConfig that you did |
| 20:12.12 | Arrowmaster | trying to figure out how/when to inject into an addons options table from a mixin |
| 20:13.09 | nevcairiel | with the "lazy" binding that all Ace3 libs do, i would suggest let the addon do a explicit mixin |
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| 20:13.24 | Xinhuan | i should blacklist the word mixin imo |
| 20:14.27 | Arrowmaster | your highlight does actually matches that? |
| 20:14.29 | Arrowmaster | fail |
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| 20:19.29 | Xinhuan | hahaha |
| 20:19.38 | Xinhuan | our raid leader in my guild posted a thread |
| 20:19.44 | Xinhuan | title is "Quitting wow" |
| 20:19.53 | Xinhuan | the text inside is |
| 20:20.01 | Xinhuan | " ... in 2009: http://feature.mmosite.com/content/2008-02-14/20080214225153525,1.shtml " |
| 20:20.26 | Dashkal | in before over 9000 jokes? *shudder* |
| 20:20.48 | nevcairiel | lol dragonball online |
| 20:21.03 | Xinhuan | look at the youtube trailer rofl |
| 20:21.36 | Xinhuan | In the game, players can join PvP at the World Martial Arts Tournament and take on quests with the goal of collecting dragon balls. |
| 20:21.56 | Xinhuan | A lot of MMORPG elements have been blended into DragonBall Online, like diversified races with distinctive characteristics, job change system, transformation system, etc. In addition, chain attack battle, HTB battle and other battle systems will vividly re-present the fierce battle scenes in the original work. |
| 20:22.24 | nevcairiel | i can picture soem fun pvp fights :P |
| 20:22.30 | Xinhuan | i bet a Hello Kitty MMO will be far more popular |
| 20:23.01 | nevcairiel | hey for some pure arena design 1v1 dragonball isnt the worst idea =P |
| 20:23.10 | nevcairiel | but the trailer looks awful |
| 20:23.47 | Xinhuan | the graphics don't even look impressive |
| 20:27.36 | Fisker- | infact they make me punch out after you |
| 20:27.47 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: but it is fitting |
| 20:28.03 | pastamancer | Xinhuan: hello kitty island adventure is the future of MMORPGs |
| 20:28.18 | NeoTron | I am looking forward to the lego MMO |
| 20:28.28 | NeoTron | for the kids that is :) |
| 20:28.32 | Fisker- | Looking forward to the Diablo mmo |
| 20:28.57 | NeoTron | they are currently playnig Toontown Online and Pirates of the Carribean (my daughter found, and installed, these herself without help - she's 6!) |
| 20:29.14 | NeoTron | Fisker-: What? No! It's obviously a Starcraft MMO! |
| 20:29.27 | Fisker- | looking forward to that as well :P |
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| 20:30.43 | elusif | reported. |
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| 20:33.53 | Xinhuan | need starcraft MMO |
| 20:33.55 | Xinhuan | with 3 factions |
| 20:34.22 | Xinhuan | warring at each other, conquering planets and star systems real time with planets dynamically changing hands |
| 20:34.35 | nevcairiel | rts? |
| 20:34.48 | Xinhuan | better, but in a MMO fashion like DAOC ;p |
| 20:35.06 | nevcairiel | MMO needs a suffix .. MMORTS is perfectly possible :P |
| 20:35.20 | Xinhuan | MMORTS, the first of its kind is Shattered Galaxy i think |
| 20:35.21 | Fisker- | You mean planetside Xinhuan? :P |
| 20:35.33 | Fisker- | i like MMORPG's best |
| 20:35.45 | Fisker- | though a savage like MMOFPS/RTS could be cool as well |
| 20:36.38 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i dont quite get .plugin |
| 20:37.05 | nevcairiel | its basically the same as .args |
| 20:37.25 | Dashkal | Just a random... wouldn't a starcraft MMO have a dificult time with the zerg lore-wise? I mean, the only self-willed entities are supposed to be cerebrates... and having a few thousand of those is a touch odd |
| 20:37.30 | nevcairiel | so a third party plugin can mix in there, and extend the table, without worrying to modify the original options table |
| 20:37.35 | nevcairiel | perfect for your thing, imho =P |
| 20:37.48 | Xinhuan | .plugin is a set of args that gets auto embedded into every plugin's args, as i understand it |
| 20:38.06 | nevcairiel | you just do .plugins["FBP3"] = { options table } |
| 20:38.14 | Kivin | zerg could be widely NPC based |
| 20:38.22 | nevcairiel | so you dont need to modify the options table |
| 20:38.29 | nevcairiel | and worry about the addon removing your stuff |
| 20:38.34 | Dashkal | Yeah, I suppose they could pull a forsaken for Zerg players |
| 20:38.53 | Kivin | would be better than conjuring up a bunch of random last-minute villains for npcs |
| 20:38.55 | Dashkal | Make the Queen of Blades == Arthas |
| 20:39.28 | Kivin | Gears of War + World of Warcraft = Starcraft Online? |
| 20:39.29 | Dashkal | I'd find that easier to swallow than hydralisk#4 suddenly breaking ranks and doing his own tihng |
| 20:40.18 | Fisker- | do not want gears of war + anything |
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| 20:40.29 | kebinusan | oh noes my guild made da guild watch on wowinsider |
| 20:41.04 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: well ive got a long way to go since i actually need to code up a way to add the options table, FBP-3 currently just has a FuBarPlugin.GetEmbedRockConfigOptions(FuBarPlugin, self) that it seems RockConfig calls and does the options table embeding |
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| 20:44.41 | Gnarfoz | ~seen Etrne |
| 20:44.45 | purl | i haven't seen 'etrne', Gnarfoz |
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| 20:46.20 | Gnarfoz | ~seen sungam |
| 20:46.21 | purl | sungam <n=Miranda@82.143.216.89> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 409d 17h 58m 56s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 20:46.27 | Gnarfoz | welllllllllll |
| 20:46.30 | Gnarfoz | that's a while ago |
| 20:46.31 | nevcairiel | owned |
| 20:47.09 | Gnarfoz | someone commited this MHLootSwitcher to SVN, and it's just what we need for hyjal |
| 20:47.18 | Gnarfoz | but it's commented with "DO NOT USE, CRASHES WOW" xD |
| 20:47.26 | Kivin | *_* |
| 20:47.27 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:47.53 | Gnarfoz | I'd think "return frue" on line 30 might have something to do with it |
| 20:48.15 | Kivin | that'd be the same as return nil |
| 20:48.24 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
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| 20:48.53 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I'd like to figure out if this thing actually works (with corrections like that one), or not ;> |
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| 20:49.19 | nevcairiel | return frue, lol |
| 20:50.13 | Gnarfoz | what's the syntax for select() again if I want to take arguments 1 and 3 from foo()? select(1,3,foo())? |
| 20:50.35 | Gnarfoz | ~pil |
| 20:50.36 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:50.48 | nevcairiel | select only takes one numerical argument |
| 20:51.02 | nevcairiel | and always returns x-n args |
| 20:51.24 | nevcairiel | lua> select(1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) |
| 20:51.24 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 |
| 20:51.28 | nevcairiel | lua> select(5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) |
| 20:51.29 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 5, 6, 7 |
| 20:52.17 | Gnarfoz | so... using the abomination that is _ is really the way to go? |
| 20:52.27 | nevcairiel | if you need the first three, no |
| 20:52.35 | Gnarfoz | I need first and second |
| 20:52.42 | nevcairiel | just do "a, b = foo()" |
| 20:52.44 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 20:52.45 | Gnarfoz | third |
| 20:52.46 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 20:52.47 | nevcairiel | it'll discard all other |
| 20:52.48 | Arrowmaster | lua> select(1, 1, 2, function() return 3, 4 end, 5, function() return 6, function() return 7, 8, 9 end, 10) |
| 20:52.48 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: 'end' expected near ')' |
| 20:53.04 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: only one vararg function can be in there |
| 20:53.07 | Gnarfoz | actually, whoever wrote this thing uses first and third return of GetLootMethod() |
| 20:53.07 | Kivin | lua> local first, second = select(1, "first", "second", "third"); print(first, second) |
| 20:53.07 | lua_bot | Kivin: first, second |
| 20:53.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> select(1, 1, 2, function() return 3, 4 end, 5, function() return 6 end, function() return 7, 8, 9 end, 10) |
| 20:53.08 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1, 2, function: 0x62dc90, 5, function: 0x62dcc0, function: 0x62e820, 10 |
| 20:53.11 | Kivin | lua> local first, second = select(2, "first", "second", "third"); print(first, second) |
| 20:53.11 | lua_bot | Kivin: second, third |
| 20:53.24 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: then "a, _, b = foo()", yea |
| 20:53.32 | Gnarfoz | k |
| 20:53.34 | Arrowmaster | lua> select(1, 1, 2, function() return 3, 4 end(), 5, function() return 6 end(), function() return 7, 8, 9 end(), 10) |
| 20:53.34 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: ')' expected near '(' |
| 20:53.44 | Gnarfoz | probably should make _ local, though, right? |
| 20:53.49 | nevcairiel | yea |
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| 20:54.02 | Arrowmaster | lua> select(1, 1, 2, (function() return 3, 4 end)(), 5, (function() return 6 end)(), (function() return 7, 8, 9 end)(), 10) |
| 20:54.02 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10 |
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| 20:54.19 | Gnarfoz | you and your convoluted lua examples, Arrowmaster :< |
| 20:54.23 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: only the last function in a list like that can be vararg |
| 20:54.30 | nevcairiel | er, last arg even |
| 20:54.30 | Nargiddley | lua> function get1_3(...) return ..., select(3, ...) end return get1_3(1,2,3) |
| 20:54.30 | lua_bot | Nargiddley: 1, 3 |
| 20:54.34 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 20:54.45 | Nargiddley | if you *really* don't want to use a local :P |
| 20:55.03 | nevcairiel | Nargiddley: thats damn slow now =P |
| 20:55.07 | Nargiddley | i know |
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| 20:55.19 | Xinhuan | umm |
| 20:55.26 | Xinhuan | select() can already do that |
| 20:55.48 | nevcairiel | it cannot |
| 20:56.09 | nevcairiel | despite, using one more local is faster too |
| 20:57.53 | Xinhuan | oh i was reading the wrong thing |
| 20:58.27 | Arrowmaster | lua> a,b=select(1, ({1,2,3,4})),select(3,({1,2,3,4}) |
| 20:58.27 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 20:58.34 | Arrowmaster | lua> a,b=select(1, ({1,2,3,4})),select(3,({1,2,3,4})) |
| 20:58.34 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
| 20:58.39 | nevcairiel | it doesnt work on tables |
| 20:58.45 | Arrowmaster | lua> a,b=select(1, ({1,2,3,4})),select(3,({1,2,3,4})) return a,b |
| 20:58.45 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: table: 0x631080, nil |
| 20:58.46 | nevcairiel | only varargs :P |
| 20:58.49 | Arrowmaster | boo |
| 20:58.56 | Xinhuan | uhm if you want a table version you want unpack(t, start, end) |
| 20:59.06 | Xinhuan | start and end are integers |
| 20:59.11 | Arrowmaster | lua> a,b=select(1, unpack({1,2,3,4})),select(3,unpack({1,2,3,4})) return a,b |
| 20:59.11 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1, 3 |
| 20:59.18 | Xinhuan | works only on numerically indexed tables |
| 20:59.18 | Arrowmaster | didnt want to create a func for an example |
| 20:59.20 | Dashkal | aha, I'm not insane, wow does define strsplit while lua doesn't |
| 20:59.42 | Arrowmaster | lua> strsplit |
| 20:59.42 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: function: 0x635560 |
| 20:59.54 | nevcairiel | clad has it too |
| 20:59.58 | nevcairiel | but vanilla lua doesnt |
| 21:00.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah he does |
| 21:00.11 | Arrowmaster | just wanted him to think maybe he was insane |
| 21:00.35 | Dashkal | long as wow has it. I just want to be able to easily do things like name, channel = strsplit("Announcements|guild", "|") |
| 21:00.58 | Xinhuan | Dashkal, wrong |
| 21:01.01 | nevcairiel | i think strsplit is weird and you need it the other way around |
| 21:01.09 | Xinhuan | strsplit("|", "Announcements|guild") <-- this would be correct |
| 21:01.15 | nevcairiel | someone should hook strsplit and reverse the args |
| 21:01.18 | nevcairiel | its plain stupid -.- |
| 21:01.29 | Dashkal | or that, the specific syntax doesn't matter right now. just so long as the thing is there |
| 21:01.46 | nevcairiel | lua> ("|"):split( "Announcements|guild") |
| 21:01.46 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: Announcements, guild |
| 21:01.50 | cncfanatics | when I need strsplit I do this: |
| 21:01.51 | nevcairiel | how does that look logical? |
| 21:02.01 | Xinhuan | oh the main reason why the separator is in front is because of strjoin() |
| 21:02.01 | cncfanatics | local stupidsplit = strsplit; |
| 21:02.05 | Xinhuan | i can do stuff like |
| 21:02.15 | cncfanatics | and make a func to reverse it :p |
| 21:02.15 | Xinhuan | strjoin(",", ...) |
| 21:02.22 | Xinhuan | and it'll concantenate all my inputs |
| 21:02.27 | Xinhuan | since my separator is the first arg |
| 21:02.37 | nevcairiel | that doesnt apply to split now |
| 21:02.44 | Xinhuan | yeah but the syntax would look weird |
| 21:02.49 | Xinhuan | if strjoin and strsplit doesn't share it |
| 21:03.04 | nevcairiel | match and find have string before pattern too |
| 21:03.28 | Dashkal | As it is makes sense if you attach strsplit via metatable to strings.. "Announcements|guild":split("|") |
| 21:03.30 | cncfanatics | local function strsplit(arg1, arg2) stupidsplit(arg2, arg1); end |
| 21:03.31 | Xinhuan | also strsplit() has a 3rd arg |
| 21:03.35 | Xinhuan | just so you know |
| 21:03.39 | Dashkal | erm, strike that, other way |
| 21:03.52 | Xinhuan | the 3rd arg is to specify how many return values you want |
| 21:04.03 | Xinhuan | or something like that |
| 21:04.14 | Xinhuan | or maybe the starting |
| 21:04.16 | Xinhuan | number |
| 21:04.48 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: thats why its so weird .. i cant just do incomingstring:split("|") like i would with match or find .. :P |
| 21:04.52 | Xinhuan | ok just tested: /dump strsplit(",", "abc,def,ghi", 2) <-- this gives "abc", "def,ghi" |
| 21:05.04 | Xinhuan | i.e split twice |
| 21:05.15 | Dashkal | ooo, that I like |
| 21:05.42 | Xinhuan | so i was correct, the 3rd arg specifies how many return values you want |
| 21:05.51 | Xinhuan | /dump strsplit(",", "abc,def,ghi", 1) <-- this gives "abc,def,ghi" |
| 21:06.01 | Dashkal | name, chantype, channel = strsplit("|", "GBS|CUSTOM|nx", 3) |
| 21:06.11 | Xinhuan | if you don't give a 3rd arg |
| 21:06.13 | Gnarfoz | http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/ascii-stream.jpg <-- anyone recognize that? ;D |
| 21:06.14 | Xinhuan | it splits as much as it can |
| 21:06.19 | Dashkal | so the delim ceases to have meaning after the requested splits |
| 21:06.58 | nevcairiel | haha caca drawing engine :P |
| 21:07.16 | Gnarfoz | it's awesome, I was trying to relay that stream, but wanted to try if it could connect at all, first |
| 21:07.34 | Gnarfoz | got *that* instead. I was surprised, to say the least ;D |
| 21:08.23 | Gnarfoz | ragnaros as ascii art |
| 21:08.39 | Gnarfoz | sadly, I didn't get the stream relaying to work, though :< |
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| 21:09.16 | Dashkal | hmm, wonder if I could get wow running through that rendering engine with enough insanity :p |
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| 21:09.35 | voidwalker | tell me please, how the heck does a draenei get a mount at lvl 12? |
| 21:09.41 | Dashkal | quest |
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| 21:09.44 | durcyn | kessel's elekk |
| 21:09.45 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: probably, yes, need something that screengrabs or hooks the d3d or opengl layer |
| 21:09.49 | Dashkal | The Kessel Run |
| 21:09.50 | nevcairiel | voidwalker: a turtle? |
| 21:09.55 | voidwalker | an elephant |
| 21:10.14 | durcyn | it's a quest, and any alliance race can do it |
| 21:10.17 | voidwalker | i've seen 2 players, one lvl 12 and one lvl 16 riding an elephant |
| 21:10.21 | voidwalker | oh |
| 21:10.22 | Dashkal | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=9663 |
| 21:10.44 | Dashkal | You get 15 minutes of epic mount just to tease you :p |
| 21:11.09 | voidwalker | i see :) |
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| 21:12.04 | SunTsu | I really like the quest's name ;) |
| 21:12.09 | CIA-9 | 03peragor 07AutoLayout * r63253 10Grid/Grid/GridLayout.lua: |
| 21:12.09 | CIA-9 | Grid: |
| 21:12.09 | CIA-9 | - Fixed a copy/paste error. |
| 21:16.42 | CIA-9 | 03peragor 07AutoLayout * r63254 10Grid/Grid/GridLayout.lua: |
| 21:16.42 | CIA-9 | Grid: |
| 21:16.42 | CIA-9 | - Fix for a fix. |
| 21:19.59 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: actually, there's an easier way, although it's not the same: ATI cards can use shaders do convert *everything* to ascii art :D |
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| 21:23.19 | Dashkal | *cackles* that would be something to say |
| 21:23.21 | Dashkal | see* |
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| 21:23.54 | Dashkal | The only time I've ever seen 3d in ascii was when I accidently fired up a linux port of quake 1 from the console... I had the sdl aalib libs installed... so it fired up |
| 21:24.09 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
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| 21:24.40 | Dashkal | note: 80x50 is not enough to render that on ascii :p |
| 21:24.51 | Dashkal | I had to really squint to make out shapes |
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| 21:26.20 | Xinhuan | you probably also got fps that is 100x higher lol |
| 21:27.06 | Dashkal | Not really... it was actually a little slower. |
| 21:27.23 | Dashkal | I'm pretty sure the game was rendering in it's glorious 640x480 then converting to ascii |
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| 21:27.59 | Antiarc | Is there a standardized solution for Minimap buttons for Ace3 addons yet, or am I going to have to roll my own? |
| 21:28.25 | NeoTron | If not, make one? :-P |
| 21:28.39 | Antiarc | This is what I'm asking :P |
| 21:29.16 | Xinhuan | talk to tem Antiarc |
| 21:29.32 | Antiarc | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibMMButton-1.0/LibMMButton-1.0.lua looks promising |
| 21:29.47 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 21:30.04 | Antiarc | It provides a draggable button with on-click handling. That's about all I need ;) |
| 21:30.12 | Xinhuan | there's some issues with it against tem/anduin who has another similar lib |
| 21:30.14 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: theres my derocked FBP-3 thats not yet finished |
| 21:30.16 | Xinhuan | kagaro wrote yet another one |
| 21:30.24 | Xinhuan | but decided not to release ti after talking to tem |
| 21:30.35 | Antiarc | ~seen Tem |
| 21:30.37 | purl | tem <n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2d 2h 36m 47s ago, saying: 'Maldivia, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8287-ChatIcons.html'. |
| 21:30.38 | Xinhuan | most of these are copyright issues |
| 21:30.47 | Antiarc | Oh? |
| 21:30.57 | nevcairiel | just ping him, he'll respond :P |
| 21:31.00 | Xinhuan | and also implementation feature |
| 21:31.05 | Antiarc | Tem|AFK: Pingaling. |
| 21:32.04 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63255 10aX_RaidStatus/aX_RaidStatus.toc: |
| 21:32.04 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 21:32.04 | CIA-9 | - Toc: Added LibSharedMedia-2.0 to Options Deps. |
| 21:32.05 | Arrowmaster | muahahaha 2412 trash dps lastnight |
| 21:32.25 | Xinhuan | with aoe? :) |
| 21:32.38 | Arrowmaster | we did all of hyjal so yes |
| 21:32.45 | AFK-Erzy | !nick Erzy |
| 21:32.46 | nevcairiel | warlock? :P |
| 21:32.49 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:33.02 | nevcairiel | with SoC thats easy ;) |
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| 21:34.27 | NivFreak | so weird |
| 21:34.39 | NivFreak | one of my officers doesn't show up in guild on the armory |
| 21:34.45 | NivFreak | he's been in guild since it formed |
| 21:34.57 | Xinhuan | tell him to logout with a different title |
| 21:35.04 | Xinhuan | title as in "champion of the naaru", etc |
| 21:35.15 | NivFreak | does that fix it? |
| 21:35.21 | Xinhuan | supposedly, in my experience |
| 21:35.25 | NivFreak | k |
| 21:35.30 | NivFreak | I'll have him try it |
| 21:35.40 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: well I did >2000 DPS on winterchill again this week! so there (note: without 4xT6) |
| 21:35.41 | NivFreak | although, it's a post-TBC toon |
| 21:35.46 | NivFreak | I wonder if he has any titles |
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| 21:36.06 | Xinhuan | well switching from some title to no title |
| 21:36.08 | Xinhuan | also works |
| 21:36.09 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: i have 0xt6 and 2xt5 |
| 21:36.26 | NivFreak | NeoTron: what class? |
| 21:36.38 | erzy | I had 0 DPS yesterday (note: 3 T6) |
| 21:36.40 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: I had 0xt6 although a lot of t6 gear. NivFreak: warlock |
| 21:36.46 | NivFreak | jebus |
| 21:36.55 | nevcairiel | i have 5 T6 and i never do DPS, now you! |
| 21:36.56 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:36.58 | NivFreak | one of our strong locks went destro for the first time last night (t4 level gear) |
| 21:37.04 | NivFreak | he pulled 1200DPS on every fight |
| 21:37.08 | NivFreak | I was impressed |
| 21:37.16 | NivFreak | 2 of the fights were gruul and void reaver |
| 21:37.18 | NeoTron | t5 is when it starts being even |
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| 21:37.39 | NeoTron | VR I did pretty well with (soul siphon doesn't work but soul leech does...) |
| 21:37.41 | Arrowmaster | im still affliction and have to put CoS on everything |
| 21:37.44 | NeoTron | Gruul I had issues with at that gear level |
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| 21:38.12 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: well. I'm destruction and I have to do CoS all the time (or CoW) and also volunteer to be the MT imp bitch for council |
| 21:38.22 | NeoTron | drop my DPS a lot by doing that :P |
| 21:38.29 | erzy | only on council? |
| 21:38.34 | NeoTron | yes |
| 21:38.40 | NeoTron | we don't use imps on any other fights |
| 21:38.52 | NeoTron | sometimes on gorefiend but not recently |
| 21:38.58 | erzy | well, what pet to use instead? |
| 21:39.05 | NeoTron | I'm destruction |
| 21:39.06 | erzy | never played warlock past 20 ^^ |
| 21:39.08 | NeoTron | sac pet |
| 21:39.09 | erzy | aha |
| 21:39.25 | erzy | I read affliction, not destro ^^ |
| 21:39.31 | nevcairiel | we used to have one affliction, was handy as a imp lock in mt groups :P |
| 21:39.33 | NeoTron | unfortunately t6 locks that spec affliction max out around 1500ish DPS |
| 21:39.38 | NeoTron | while destro locks pull over 2k |
| 21:39.39 | nevcairiel | but he skilled destro too |
| 21:39.55 | erzy | Is it possible to not be skilled as destro? |
| 21:39.59 | NeoTron | in t5 level gear affliction ~= destruction (some fights better, soem fights worse) |
| 21:40.03 | NivFreak | destro is sorta ezmode |
| 21:40.03 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 21:40.13 | NeoTron | erzy: yes it, surprisingly perhaps, is |
| 21:40.22 | erzy | I mean, Curse SB, SB, SB, SB, Lifetap, SB, SB, SB, SB, Lifetap |
| 21:40.27 | NeoTron | I outDPS a lock in 4xt6 consistently |
| 21:40.34 | Arrowmaster | oh and the loot council hates me or something and ive got my first item lastweek (offhand from akama) since before we killed kael (were 5/5 7/9 as of lastweek) |
| 21:40.48 | NeoTron | in fact I tend to outDPS all other locks even if they are in my group |
| 21:41.06 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: the fun of loot council |
| 21:41.17 | NeoTron | we disbanded it around the time we worked on gruul |
| 21:41.27 | NeoTron | gruul and mags rather |
| 21:41.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont even get to roll on anything because im not a 'raider' |
| 21:41.38 | erzy | It's more fun looting illidan tbh |
| 21:41.47 | erzy | More warglaives than mementos :( |
| 21:41.49 | NeoTron | erzy: first legendary ftw (last night) |
| 21:42.03 | erzy | we got Glaive first kill :D |
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| 21:42.05 | NeoTron | so now warglaive = gul'dan = mememnto for my guild :-/ |
| 21:42.09 | nevcairiel | we had two off-hand glaives and no memento :( |
| 21:42.10 | NeoTron | 1 of each |
| 21:42.21 | Adirelle | morning |
| 21:42.25 | NeoTron | we just showed what's wrong with raiding gear :P |
| 21:42.31 | erzy | 3 skulls, 2 glaives, 1 memento (and that person has quitted :() |
| 21:42.35 | NeoTron | we get the damn healing haste cloak all the time |
| 21:42.41 | Aens|Superiority | 3 glaives, 3 skulls, 1 memento |
| 21:42.42 | erzy | same :/ |
| 21:42.47 | NeoTron | and we have never gotten the dps caster wrist of winterchill. not once |
| 21:42.55 | nevcairiel | i wish we would finally get one memento |
| 21:42.55 | erzy | Haste cloak and Shard of Azzinoth |
| 21:42.58 | nevcairiel | it would be mine |
| 21:43.05 | NeoTron | never gotten a shard actually |
| 21:43.07 | Adirelle | [Ammo]: ping |
| 21:43.12 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: i think we got those once |
| 21:43.21 | Arrowmaster | the dps caster wrists |
| 21:43.21 | nevcairiel | we hado ne shard |
| 21:43.26 | NeoTron | I'm low on t6 because I'm maintaining a DKP lead to get the skull when it fianlly drops again |
| 21:43.27 | nevcairiel | *one |
| 21:43.35 | nevcairiel | we got alot of healing maces |
| 21:43.37 | nevcairiel | 5 or so |
| 21:43.44 | NeoTron | we get the hunter mail wrists that no one wanted to begin with ever week |
| 21:43.57 | Aens|Superiority | nevcairiel: heh. lucky. All we get are faceplates and shields |
| 21:44.04 | Aens|Superiority | well, for the most part. |
| 21:44.08 | NeoTron | they need tier-specific badges or drops that you can turn in for various items |
| 21:44.20 | NeoTron | the swap-method in sunwell helps - at least halves the number of drops |
| 21:45.09 | erzy | still too many protector :( |
| 21:45.46 | chexsum_ | zg loot was a good system |
| 21:45.59 | Antiarc | zg loot sucked ass. |
| 21:46.09 | NeoTron | erzy: omg yes. we've gotten double protector drops A LOT recently |
| 21:46.16 | Antiarc | "Hey, you got the drop from the boss! Now run ZG 80 more times so you can actually turn it in for armor!" |
| 21:46.20 | Arrowmaster | i ran zg twice a week for almost ever and never got the fucking wand |
| 21:46.22 | erzy | 8 protector chests in a row :( |
| 21:46.23 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: we too :/ |
| 21:46.34 | Grum | we got 5 priest chests in a row! |
| 21:46.39 | Grum | i even got one .. muhwhaha |
| 21:46.42 | erzy | damn you! |
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| 21:46.48 | NeoTron | hopefully they balance the classes on token drops so half the raid doesn't share one token :-/ |
| 21:46.51 | erzy | Curse you, foolish priest! |
| 21:47.04 | NeoTron | priest/pally/lock => wtf! |
| 21:47.23 | NeoTron | pally = dps, heal, tank priest = dps, heal |
| 21:47.32 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63256 10LittleWigs/Auchindoun/Murmur.lua: LittleWigs: Auchindoun/Murmur: bugfix |
| 21:47.39 | chexsum_ | + looks |
| 21:47.42 | sylvanaar | lock = dps, tank |
| 21:47.45 | NeoTron | well |
| 21:47.47 | erzy | druid, 3, rogue 1, mage 1 |
| 21:47.48 | NeoTron | locks is just locks |
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| 21:48.11 | NeoTron | we usually have 3 paladins, 3 locks and 4-6 priests per raid |
| 21:48.18 | erzy | 6 priests? |
| 21:48.18 | NeoTron | 12 ppl sharing the same token ftl |
| 21:48.26 | NeoTron | 2 shadow, 4 holy |
| 21:48.43 | nevcairiel | see, there is your mistake .. if you take less holy, less people on the token :P |
| 21:48.46 | NeoTron | healing varies - right now we don't try to balance it's mainly who wants the boss type priority |
| 21:49.02 | erzy | we have 3-4 paladins (depends if we need one holy to respecc retri) 3-4 priests, 3 locks |
| 21:49.04 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: well it is important to know what we have too |
| 21:49.11 | NeoTron | we have 4 paladins, 5 warlocks and 6 priests |
| 21:49.32 | NeoTron | 4 mages, 3 rogues, 5 druids |
| 21:49.39 | sdouble | I noticed there has been a huge increase in the amount of paladins being played |
| 21:49.48 | Antiarc | Man |
| 21:49.49 | NeoTron | 5 shaman, 2 warrior, 4 hunters |
| 21:49.50 | nevcairiel | every class had its ups |
| 21:49.53 | Antiarc | The new Iron Man trailer looks great. |
| 21:49.55 | nevcairiel | right now its druids |
| 21:49.58 | Kivin | Anyone here know if the system channel names ("General", "Trade - City", etc) are localized on eu clients? |
| 21:50.07 | nevcairiel | Kivin: yes they are |
| 21:50.10 | NeoTron | sdouble: we have a ret pally.. and he rarely ever sits |
| 21:50.12 | Kivin | alright |
| 21:50.16 | NeoTron | because he's so incredibly benefitial to the raid |
| 21:50.23 | Kivin | is there a babble lib that i can pilfer localizations from |
| 21:50.30 | erzy | NeoTron has it |
| 21:50.41 | sdouble | I'm leveling my pally right now. also ret. |
| 21:50.51 | sdouble | 67 but I think I got more dps as holy |
| 21:50.52 | Grum | we have 18/35 people for 1 token .. its not fun! |
| 21:50.52 | sdouble | =/ |
| 21:50.56 | NeoTron | 3% crit, JoL/JoW up all the time, the extra blessing, extra BoP.. |
| 21:51.27 | NeoTron | sdouble: I leveled my pally as holy too after I got tired of the low mana pool / bad healing of ret |
| 21:51.40 | erzy | I leveled as ret |
| 21:51.42 | NeoTron | it was less downtime with similar DPS. good ret gear though > good holyshock gear |
| 21:51.46 | erzy | should have been prot though |
| 21:52.09 | sdouble | I respecced assuming since it was the "dps spec" that I would do better damage |
| 21:52.32 | sdouble | I went from 35 to 62 as prot |
| 21:52.37 | NeoTron | it's gear intensive and it really shines when combined with windfury and other melee buffs |
| 21:52.43 | NeoTron | WF + pally can be devastatin |
| 21:53.21 | erzy | I remember having WF+CS+Autoattack+SoC all procced at the same time, critting aswell |
| 21:53.33 | Xinhuan | o_o |
| 21:53.35 | Xinhuan | GetCurrentMapContinent(), GetCurrentMapZone() |
| 21:53.38 | Xinhuan | returns -1, 0 in AV |
| 21:53.38 | sdouble | well, while leveling I'm only grouped with one other, my brother. a warlock |
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| 21:54.02 | Xinhuan | which is the same as the cosmic map |
| 21:54.16 | Arrowmaster | means theres no worldmap for it |
| 21:54.24 | nevcairiel | there are no maps for the battlegrounds |
| 21:54.28 | nevcairiel | what did you expect :P |
| 21:54.36 | Arrowmaster | although you can get coords |
| 21:54.47 | Xinhuan | there is technically a map for bgs |
| 21:54.50 | Xinhuan | like AV, etc |
| 21:54.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah but its special |
| 21:55.10 | NeoTron | erzy: then you died? :P |
| 21:55.19 | erzy | iunno |
| 21:55.30 | NeoTron | sdouble: if you level with a warlock, definitely go holy |
| 21:55.33 | erzy | i was doing The Bloodsail BUccaneers questline afaik |
| 21:55.38 | NeoTron | ah |
| 21:55.50 | NeoTron | so no "then the big bad boss turned around and whacked me" |
| 21:56.37 | erzy | never raided as ret |
| 21:56.57 | Xinhuan | if ( GetCurrentMapContinent() == WORLDMAP_COSMIC_ID ) then |
| 21:56.57 | Xinhuan | WorldMapZoomOutButton:Disable(); |
| 21:56.58 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 21:57.04 | Xinhuan | so they use the same ID |
| 21:57.11 | erzy | specced holy the day I turned 70, and respecced maybe 10 times after that |
| 21:57.16 | Xinhuan | what a hack |
| 21:59.40 | Matrix110| | i respecced less than 10times since release |
| 21:59.56 | Matrix110| | (and i got 240ish days played :P ) |
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| 22:01.25 | Thorgard | Did they lower the casttime on Ghost Wolf in 2.4? |
| 22:01.41 | Ellipsis | what was it before? |
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| 22:02.31 | Cheads | supposed to be lowered from 3 to 2 secs |
| 22:02.52 | Thorgard | Does that mean with talents it'll be instant cast? |
| 22:03.25 | nevcairiel | thats what i heard |
| 22:06.01 | Arrowmaster | lol at my friends druid http://home.woh.rr.com/uud2/Bignumbers.jpg |
| 22:07.14 | break19 | who's spider? and how was he "suckin" ? |
| 22:07.35 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: iirc it even says hack in a comment around there somewhere :P |
| 22:07.43 | Xinhuan | ya zz |
| 22:07.58 | Xinhuan | it means i don't have a one-to-one mapping of C,Z to mapfile |
| 22:08.58 | Xinhuan | which complicates HandyNotes slightly |
| 22:09.26 | Arrowmaster | 5345AP and 52.59%crit but only around 500 white dps |
| 22:10.53 | Nandini | could you just disable notes in BGs? (as you would on the cosmic view, i presume) |
| 22:11.31 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63257 10Conditioner/ (. Conditioner.lua Conditioner.toc): |
| 22:11.31 | CIA-9 | Conditioner: |
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| 22:11.32 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:12.35 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with XRS? |
| 22:12.54 | Ellipsis | it only lets you select classes, not actual roles |
| 22:13.08 | vhaarr | I don't like the bar code in XRS, and it doesn't have the icon that Conditioner has |
| 22:13.12 | Ellipsis | so there's no differentiation between holy priests and shadowpriests for healer mana and stuff |
| 22:13.14 | vhaarr | ready - yes or no, at a glance |
| 22:13.38 | nevcairiel | all i use XRS for is checking buffs |
| 22:13.40 | Arrowmaster | you atleast need UnitIsAFK(unit) checks |
| 22:14.09 | vhaarr | I don't, no |
| 22:14.14 | NivFreak | Ellipsis: hah, turns out he has no titles at all |
| 22:14.33 | Ellipsis | who has no what now? |
| 22:15.07 | [dRaCo] | and why? |
| 22:15.12 | Ellipsis | yeah, that one too |
| 22:16.03 | Fisker- | hai |
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| 22:28.03 | Hjalte | Me and some guildies did a quick ZA after the raid today and one of our tanks really didn't want to be there and let it out on everyone else. Made me sad :( |
| 22:29.39 | kenlyric | you know a good thing to do if you don't want to be there? |
| 22:29.45 | Gnarfoz | don't be there! :D |
| 22:30.11 | kenlyric | or a Red-X "network problem" |
| 22:30.44 | Thorgard | Hjalte, let it out how? :o |
| 22:30.58 | Gnarfoz | the old-fashioned "sorry, I can't understand what you're saying *brush over the microphone* you're breaking up.. sry... hello? hello?" xD |
| 22:31.13 | Hjalte | He was irritated about every way we did things. He was the only tank left and our guild leader kind of forced him to join. |
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| 22:38.35 | ramoz | Thrae: is it possible to edit the way TinyTipTargeting prints text? i really miss the old look Name : Target |
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| 22:40.32 | NivFreak | how many of you are in 25 man guilds that raid 2-3 days a week? |
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| 22:41.06 | Antiarc | We raid 4/week |
| 22:41.13 | NivFreak | it's a bit more |
| 22:41.19 | NivFreak | how many extra people do you carry? |
| 22:41.28 | Antiarc | We have a roster of about 5 backups |
| 22:41.41 | NivFreak | do you rotate them through, or just make them fill if someone leaves? |
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| 22:42.09 | Antiarc | They fill in if someone leaves/can't make it |
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| 22:42.22 | NivFreak | so what do they do in the meantime? |
| 22:42.32 | Antiarc | They're generally people who can't make the 4-day schedule |
| 22:42.45 | Antiarc | Whatever; they get DKP for being on at raid time +/1 15 minutes |
| 22:42.50 | Antiarc | +/- |
| 22:43.04 | Antiarc | If we need someone and they logged off we'll usually try to raise them on IRC or AIM |
| 22:43.25 | NivFreak | I was thinking of staffing a 30 man roster |
| 22:43.33 | NivFreak | and putting an equal time rotation in place |
| 22:43.38 | ramoz | we have the same, tho they have to be on vent, or inguild on a alt |
| 22:43.48 | Antiarc | Rotation tends to hurt progress, in my experience |
| 22:43.54 | Antiarc | Because you keep having to re-teach the fight |
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| 22:44.09 | xyu | my guild raids 3 times a week |
| 22:44.13 | NivFreak | well my struggle is that we're doing a 2 day raid schedule |
| 22:44.15 | xyu | we generally have like 0 backups |
| 22:44.16 | NivFreak | which is grat |
| 22:44.18 | xyu | but we all have alts |
| 22:44.19 | NivFreak | great even |
| 22:44.34 | NivFreak | I would imagine that alts are harder to deal with than a rotation |
| 22:44.42 | xyu | sometimes yeah |
| 22:44.56 | NivFreak | basically, with what I have in mind |
| 22:45.01 | xyu | i dont like to lose a geared dps for a mediocre healing |
| 22:45.04 | NivFreak | every person would miss 1 raid every 2 weeks |
| 22:45.17 | xyu | that is a good idea, rotating in benchers |
| 22:45.18 | NivFreak | so it seems like that'd have fairly minimal impact |
| 22:45.24 | xyu | i used to be a bencher myself so i know how they feel |
| 22:45.33 | xyu | and it really sucks being on the WL all the time |
| 22:45.35 | xyu | even if you get dkp |
| 22:45.42 | NivFreak | We don't do DKP |
| 22:45.43 | NivFreak | just SK |
| 22:45.44 | xyu | dkp in which you barely get a chance to spend |
| 22:45.50 | NivFreak | so we hold position for people on standby |
| 22:45.55 | xyu | SK = ? loot counciL? |
| 22:45.58 | NivFreak | suicide kings |
| 22:46.14 | NivFreak | it's basically a loot queue |
| 22:46.16 | NivFreak | with bidding |
| 22:46.23 | NivFreak | but you only bid to opt in |
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| 22:46.58 | xyu | well anything to get people rotated in, is good in my book. |
| 22:47.41 | Antiarc | Ugh. I hate SK systems :( |
| 22:47.49 | NivFreak | Antiarc: why? |
| 22:47.58 | Antiarc | Because it makes loot more expensive the longer it doesn't drop |
| 22:48.04 | NivFreak | hrm? |
| 22:48.11 | NivFreak | you mean if people camp for an item? |
| 22:48.15 | Antiarc | Joe pays 5 points for his drop, because it drops on the second kill |
| 22:48.23 | NivFreak | there's no points |
| 22:48.27 | Antiarc | Meanwhile, Jane really wants Item X, and waits 36 kills for it to drop |
| 22:48.28 | NivFreak | it's either suicide, or not |
| 22:48.41 | Antiarc | So, Jane sits on top of the queue forever, passing until Item X drops |
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| 22:48.49 | NivFreak | yea, but we just manage that |
| 22:48.50 | Antiarc | Because if Jane spends on anything else, she loses rights to Item X |
| 22:48.58 | NivFreak | encourage people to not pass on upgrades |
| 22:49.03 | Antiarc | So in the meantime, Joe gets 7 items because he's free to spend |
| 22:49.11 | Antiarc | NivFreak: That won't work out in the long run ;) |
| 22:49.15 | NivFreak | it does |
| 22:49.16 | NivFreak | ;P |
| 22:49.25 | NivFreak | it depends on what your focus is really |
| 22:49.30 | Antiarc | Meh. We used a suicide kings system from Ony to Naxx |
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| 22:49.47 | Antiarc | And it sucked really badly for things like our rogues and the Chromatically Tempered Blade |
| 22:49.57 | Antiarc | We had 1 drop, ever |
| 22:50.08 | NivFreak | why? |
| 22:50.09 | Antiarc | And it was the best available for us at the time by a huge margin |
| 22:50.09 | NivFreak | and to be fair, loot has changed a lot |
| 22:50.15 | NivFreak | so, you can look at it like the DST |
| 22:50.19 | NivFreak | in TBC |
| 22:50.30 | NivFreak | we haven't had a rogue pass an upgrade yet |
| 22:50.33 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:50.37 | Antiarc | Because it was the best, people wanted it the most, so the rogue on top passed on everything for a shot at the CTS |
| 22:50.43 | NivFreak | even though the DST is hanging there |
| 22:50.54 | Antiarc | Meanwhile, backup rogue comes in and gets 6 things because nobody higher in the queue is willing to lose their spot. |
| 22:51.14 | NivFreak | right, you just need to manage people who are hurting themselves by passing |
| 22:51.26 | xyu | i like relational dkp ^^ |
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| 22:51.39 | Antiarc | Manage how? Force some mediocre piece of loot on them and knock them to the bottom of the queue? That would piss me off like nothing else. |
| 22:51.50 | NivFreak | nope |
| 22:52.01 | NivFreak | but if it's a clear upgrade |
| 22:52.04 | NivFreak | we ask them to sucide |
| 22:52.13 | NivFreak | if they don't, they become the least geared rogue over time |
| 22:52.20 | NivFreak | and get last preference :) |
| 22:52.25 | Antiarc | But a "clear upgrade" may not be worth losing the chance to upgrade another item |
| 22:52.35 | NivFreak | that's not really how we see it |
| 22:52.50 | Antiarc | The problem with SK is that the opportunity cost on an item grows greater the longer your preferred item doesn't drop. |
| 22:52.53 | NivFreak | our goal is not to min/max peoples upgrades |
| 22:52.54 | Ellipsis | Antiarc: show us on the doll where the SK system touched you |
| 22:52.59 | Antiarc | Ellipsis: Everywhere :( |
| 22:53.08 | NivFreak | our goals is to provide a good rotation on who loot gets awarded too, without being retarded |
| 22:53.25 | NivFreak | s/goals/goal/ |
| 22:53.30 | Antiarc | We switched to an anonymous auction system and it has worked out -great- |
| 22:53.31 | Arrowmaster | way back when i first started doing mc we used a similair system, 4 dkp earned per kill 1 dkp earned per hour all dkp spent when you pickup an item |
| 22:53.40 | NivFreak | Antiarc: we don't want to manage DKP |
| 22:53.40 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:53.46 | Arrowmaster | i spent over 200 dkp on my nemesis helm |
| 22:53.49 | Antiarc | NivFreak: Meh. I just wrote a site to manage it for us. |
| 22:53.52 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: one bid, silent? |
| 22:54.04 | NivFreak | We like it to be open |
| 22:54.04 | Antiarc | Gnarfoz: As many bids as you want, high bid is announced in raid chat without a name attached |
| 22:54.17 | NivFreak | we've found that people will pass on loot so someone lower in the list can get a needed upgrade |
| 22:54.18 | Antiarc | I wrote an addon to handle that, and it has a proxy bid system in place |
| 22:54.24 | NivFreak | which is win win |
| 22:54.26 | Antiarc | So you can proxy 100, and it'll autobid to beat up to 100 points. |
| 22:54.39 | Antiarc | NivFreak: People will do that in any system, if they're decent folks |
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| 22:54.48 | NeoTron | Antiarc: we switched from loot council to closed bidding. Works great too. no one complains at all, ever |
| 22:54.48 | Gnarfoz | explain in detail, pls? sounds interesting ^^ |
| 22:54.56 | NivFreak | DKP alway seems way too competitive to me |
| 22:55.08 | NivFreak | zero sum is better in my mind, but still a PITA to manage |
| 22:55.14 | Antiarc | My issue with SK if that it penalizes people for being in the queue longer than someone else :/ |
| 22:55.18 | NeoTron | Antiarc: I think I tried that addon and it has some weirdness at the time :P |
| 22:55.23 | NivFreak | Antiarc: huh? |
| 22:55.25 | iNs|Renew | loot council is the best tbh |
| 22:55.31 | Antiarc | NivFreak: Opportunity cost. |
| 22:55.31 | iNs|Renew | everything can be exploited though |
| 22:55.40 | Antiarc | Gnarfoz: We award 1 point on time, 1 point attendance, 1 point per boss kill. |
| 22:55.43 | Ellipsis | adding new pixels to your stash of pixels = srs business. |
| 22:55.45 | NeoTron | iNs|Renew: loot council is best in the same way that communism is the best |
| 22:55.46 | NivFreak | Antiarc: bah, it doesn't concern me |
| 22:55.49 | Antiarc | When an item drops, bidding is opened on it. |
| 22:55.53 | Arrowmaster | we switched away from zero sum to loot council because people would horde points, i was the biggest offender probably |
| 22:55.54 | NeoTron | it only works perfectly in an utopian society :P |
| 22:55.58 | NivFreak | iNs|Renew: loot council == drama |
| 22:56.03 | Antiarc | People bid via whisper to the ML, and the addon announces the high bid in raid chat |
| 22:56.18 | Antiarc | After X seconds of no bids, the winner is awarded. If there is a tie, the high bids roll off. |
| 22:56.31 | Antiarc | The high roll takes it, and their bid is deducted from their point pool. |
| 22:56.35 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: zero sum encourages sharding |
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| 22:56.46 | Arrowmaster | in the 3 zero sum dkp systems we've used ive always had the highest current and highest earned points when we switched systems |
| 22:56.56 | NeoTron | unless you have a valuation that provides a fair value of an item |
| 22:57.08 | NeoTron | which is nearly impossible |
| 22:57.18 | Antiarc | The net effect is that loot's cost is directly proportional to how badly someone wants it. |
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| 22:57.21 | NeoTron | we have a lot of item go for 1-20 DKP |
| 22:57.34 | NeoTron | Antiarc: which is good |
| 22:57.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah we always used fixed cost |
| 22:57.49 | Antiarc | NeoTron: Most of our items go for 1 DKP, with several people rolling off |
| 22:57.51 | Arrowmaster | never did bidding |
| 22:58.19 | Arrowmaster | but our loot council is seriously fucked up right now |
| 22:58.24 | NeoTron | Antiarc: I seem to recall me being the one that urged you to add a proxy system to your bid addon? :) |
| 22:58.31 | Arrowmaster | we have 2 main rogues and 1 is on the loot council |
| 22:58.54 | Arrowmaster | when the other rogue gets a big upgrade the rogue on the loot council almost always gets the next big upgrade automaticly |
| 22:59.25 | Antiarc | I dislike loot council because it's completely dependent on objectivity |
| 22:59.25 | Arrowmaster | but when the rogue on the loot council gets a big upgrade the 2 rogues end up having to /roll on the next big upgrade |
| 22:59.41 | NeoTron | my main complaint is that it was extremely difficult and time consuming to execute |
| 22:59.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah we have 0 dps casters on the loot council too |
| 23:00.05 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: if they roll.. it's hardly loot council |
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| 23:00.44 | Arrowmaster | if the loot council doesnt pick somebody they pick who gets to roll on it |
| 23:01.00 | Arrowmaster | but they have complete control over who gets to roll |
| 23:02.17 | Elkano | my guild switched to a static point DKP lately... though I argued that random distribution by rolling is already fair wrt number of times spend in raid because the more times you participate the heyer your chance is to see an item drop and thus being able to roll on it... |
| 23:03.08 | Antiarc | Elkano: I would agree, except that you only get 52 chances per year, max, for that item to drop |
| 23:03.22 | Antiarc | That's small enough to not work out statistically evently. |
| 23:03.25 | Antiarc | evenly* |
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| 23:03.49 | Chompers | or the random guy who turns up once a month comes to a raid, rolls 100 on the item you've waited months for |
| 23:03.50 | Antiarc | Over the course of 15 years, yeah, it starts to even out |
| 23:03.55 | Chompers | and goes off for another month |
| 23:04.01 | Antiarc | Chompers: Right, which is what I mean about the 52 times per year |
| 23:04.07 | Dashkal | I don't suppose there's a DKP system that isn't outright hostile to hybrids (feral druid in particular, tank + dps gear) |
| 23:04.07 | Chompers | yup |
| 23:04.09 | Antiarc | There aren't enough samples for it to statistically even out |
| 23:04.40 | Antiarc | Dashkal: Most every loot system incurs a cost for buying gear. The fact that hybrids may want two sets of gear is irrelevant to that, really. |
| 23:04.50 | Antiarc | If they want to take more gear, they need to have a higher cost for it. |
| 23:04.55 | Antiarc | Otherwise it's pretty damned unfair to everyone else. |
| 23:04.56 | Arrowmaster | all dkp systems are that way, the more gear you want the harder it is for you |
| 23:05.09 | Dashkal | It's not a matter of want. I'm actually _used_ as a hybrid. The tank who's worth something when not tanking |
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| 23:05.25 | Xinhuan | or simply make it such that, players need to declare a "main spec". loot that is considered offspec costs 0 dkp, and has lower priority than mainspec |
| 23:05.27 | Dashkal | The healing set is another matter entirely |
| 23:05.41 | Arrowmaster | i majorly gamed all our zero sum dkp systems because i knew exactly which items i wanted and never picked up minor upgrades or sidegrades just because they droped first |
| 23:05.50 | Antiarc | Dashkal: I suspect that you're -needed- for one specific role in the raid, and are able to preform in a secondary role when it's not needed |
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| 23:06.01 | Antiarc | But I doubt that your secondary role is critical to raid success |
| 23:06.07 | Diao | that's what we do Xinhuan |
| 23:06.08 | Antiarc | So gearing for it is likely far less important htan your primary role |
| 23:06.25 | Antiarc | While you may perform in a secondary role, that secondary role isn't why you're in the raid |
| 23:06.28 | Dashkal | The offtank who can DPS is wasted if he's (example only) a prot warrior. |
| 23:06.49 | Xinhuan | nevertheless, the secondary role could be useful if you're missing 1 tank for the night |
| 23:06.52 | Xinhuan | or missing 1 healer |
| 23:07.00 | Fisker- | LOLWUT |
| 23:07.01 | Xinhuan | and someone can respec for it with their offspec loot |
| 23:07.14 | Fisker- | PTR client doesn't state language on realmlist anymore |
| 23:07.17 | Dashkal | as it is, I'll just choose not to partake in a DKP system on my druid. I have a rogue who's almost 70 |
| 23:07.20 | Fisker- | says "Developement" now |
| 23:07.23 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: Granted, but that's generally not a reason to give hybrids priority or an advantage over people who are in that primary role 100% of the time. |
| 23:07.25 | Fisker- | hax |
| 23:07.46 | Xinhuan | that's why i said mainspec has priority over offspec |
| 23:07.47 | Antiarc | The problem is that if you un-penalize hybrids, you penalize everyone else as an effect of it, who are in that role 100% of the time. |
| 23:08.07 | Xinhuan | if mainspec doesn't want to pay dkp for it, then all the offspecs can /random on it for free |
| 23:08.22 | Dashkal | and so my point stands: need a loot system that is not outright hostile to true hybrids |
| 23:08.29 | Dashkal | I tank and DPS in the same spec |
| 23:08.32 | Dashkal | there is no "offspec" |
| 23:08.43 | Arrowmaster | you a druid? |
| 23:08.44 | Xinhuan | your spec is "feral spec" |
| 23:08.48 | Dashkal | I'm not a quasi-hybrid like a shaman or priest |
| 23:08.55 | Xinhuan | i.e both tanking and dps loot counts as "main spec" |
| 23:08.57 | Xinhuan | in this case |
| 23:09.10 | Arrowmaster | are you a druid? |
| 23:09.13 | Antiarc | The great thing about druids is that they share a lot of stat overlap between tanking and DPSing |
| 23:09.13 | Dashkal | problem is, that means I need to pay twice as much to be useful |
| 23:09.20 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: Savrine@Maelstrom-us |
| 23:09.22 | Dashkal | yes |
| 23:09.28 | Xinhuan | that's pretty much a blizzard fault |
| 23:09.46 | Arrowmaster | our main feral tank picks up dps gear and tanks in it because its better |
| 23:09.48 | Xinhuan | unless you price druid feral gear on a slightly lower price |
| 23:09.54 | Xinhuan | than vs other classes |
| 23:09.57 | Antiarc | Not anywhere near 100%, but lots of druid tank gear is a pretty decent backstop for DPSing, since it doesn't have any block/defense on it, generally. |
| 23:09.59 | Dashkal | if I have to pay twice as much to remain useful, it means I gain gear half as fast as a "pure" spec... which means I fall behind and become less useful to the raid |
| 23:10.19 | Dashkal | unless I pretend I'm a prot warrior or a rogue.... which ... well... I rolled a rogue :p |
| 23:10.34 | Arrowmaster | this is in mostly his tanking gear http://home.woh.rr.com/uud2/Bignumbers.jpg |
| 23:11.05 | Antiarc | Our system is pretty kind to our feral tank |
| 23:11.05 | Dashkal | I do find that if I tank in DPS gear I go splat, and if I try to DPS in tank gear I'm below the tank |
| 23:11.19 | Shadowed | Loot Council > DKP |
| 23:11.25 | Gnarfoz | maybe you fail, then? :> |
| 23:11.29 | Antiarc | If a feral druid in ANY gear is out-DPS'd by a prot warrior, the problem -probably- isn't the gear :P |
| 23:11.40 | Antiarc | Because uh. Tanking prot warrior DPS. Lulz. |
| 23:11.51 | Dashkal | it's probably because I shapedance often |
| 23:12.00 | Antiarc | Why would you be shifting a lot while you DPS? |
| 23:12.00 | Dashkal | I'm only now moving away from that |
| 23:12.01 | Gnarfoz | if you dps, you don't |
| 23:12.15 | Gnarfoz | or shouldn't, rather :D |
| 23:12.17 | Dashkal | I used to spot heal like crazy (extra int and nat spaheshifter/NT) |
| 23:12.32 | Antiarc | Well, spending time/mana healing may be when you end up below the tank :P |
| 23:12.33 | Dashkal | I haven't had to lately so I respecced away from that |
| 23:12.39 | Antiarc | Because uh. DPS is not for healing. |
| 23:13.14 | Dashkal | The problem should go away now. I'll find out tomorrow I guess |
| 23:13.19 | Gnarfoz | ;o |
| 23:13.33 | Antiarc | The biggest factor in DPS is contact time, not gear. |
| 23:13.42 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 23:13.45 | Gnarfoz | certainly is |
| 23:14.22 | Antiarc | You could have the leetest DPS kit ever and if you are spending 40% of your time shifting and spothealing, that DPS warrior in blues is going to make you look bad. :P |
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| 23:15.25 | Dashkal | heh, no, it's more like when I hear the RL go "Oh shit save X" I'd pop with a couple LBs and a Rejuv before dropping again and going back to DPS |
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| 23:15.43 | Antiarc | Well, my argument is that that isn't your job. It's the full-time healers'. |
| 23:15.45 | Shadowed | If a feral druid has to spend his time healing the raid |
| 23:15.47 | Antiarc | Or it's X's job to mash a healthstone. |
| 23:15.48 | Shadowed | gkick all your healers |
| 23:15.49 | Shadowed | for being idiots |
| 23:15.54 | Shadowed | simple as that |
| 23:15.57 | rubik | utorrent not safe to use anymore these days? since they got bought out? is that the consensus? |
| 23:16.05 | Dashkal | The problem was solved by biting the bullet and taking 3 healers |
| 23:16.09 | rubik | or versions <1.7 are still ok? |
| 23:16.28 | Antiarc | 3 healers? Wait, are you talking about 10-man stuff? |
| 23:16.31 | Dashkal | so I don't (or at least shouldn't) need to do that anymore |
| 23:16.31 | Arrowmaster | rubik: many people still use it, although i never will |
| 23:16.38 | Dashkal | Of couse... Note the t4 level gear :p |
| 23:16.47 | Antiarc | You actually use a loot system in 10-mans? |
| 23:16.58 | rubik | Arrowmaster: any other decent win32 BT client? |
| 23:17.00 | Dashkal | no, but we just successfully moved into 25, so the question will soon arise |
| 23:17.12 | Dashkal | for right now it's still /roll |
| 23:17.21 | rubik | decent = lightweight, fast, unbloated, not java-based, etc. |
| 23:17.21 | Arrowmaster | rubik: i use azureus but its not for everybody |
| 23:17.25 | Dashkal | The point of my complaint was a fish for a system that won't hurt our ferals |
| 23:17.31 | rubik | yeah.. used to use that back in the day |
| 23:17.32 | Dashkal | there are three of us |
| 23:18.19 | sacarasc | rubik: use rtorrent like a real man (or woman) |
| 23:18.27 | Dashkal | ktorrent :p |
| 23:18.37 | rubik | haha |
| 23:18.42 | Ellipsis | just pick your favorite letter, add "torrent" to the end, and be done with it |
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| 23:19.07 | NeoTron | do people actually have favorite letters? |
| 23:19.22 | NeoTron | I think mine must be ß or ø then |
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| 23:20.14 | Gnarfoz | ß isn't a letter, officially :< |
| 23:20.46 | NeoTron | it is.. a character meaning it uses one byte not multiple ;-0 |
| 23:21.06 | Dashkal | λ |
| 23:21.12 | Gnarfoz | ...? huh what kind of sense does that make :p |
| 23:21.26 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: did I say it made sense? |
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| 23:21.34 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 23:21.37 | NeoTron | ßtorrent has a nice ring to it you know |
| 23:21.42 | Gnarfoz | I said letter, anyway, not character |
| 23:21.42 | break19 | ∂éƒ L∑på®∂ |
| 23:21.51 | Gnarfoz | break19: needs another p |
| 23:22.01 | break19 | Gnarfoz: yea yea |
| 23:22.02 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: try pronouncing that, then xD |
| 23:22.04 | Dashkal | the letter lambda? You didn't specify roman :p |
| 23:22.10 | NeoTron | sstorrent |
| 23:22.17 | Gnarfoz | ssssssstorrent xD |
| 23:23.46 | break19 | î'm √'iñ your ßøøß |
| 23:24.22 | break19 | mac's make it éåsy tø üsé füñk¥ chars :) |
| 23:24.30 | Dashkal | On a totally different topic: Is there any kind of registry for SendAddonMessage() previxes? Or do I just pick something and hope for not conflict? |
| 23:24.47 | break19 | ø - alt-o, Ω <- alt-z |
| 23:24.51 | break19 | etc etc :) |
| 23:25.50 | Dashkal | I used to be font of opt-8 |
| 23:25.52 | Dashkal | fond* |
| 23:25.53 | Gnarfoz | break19: it's not like that's not possible on windows, either, although it's certainly an annoying feature :D |
| 23:26.02 | Dashkal | back in system 6-7 days |
| 23:26.18 | break19 | Gnarfoz: on windows its "alt-1023" or whatever on the numeric keypad.. :P |
| 23:26.29 | break19 | much much easier on the mac. heh |
| 23:26.30 | Amadeo | I'm not sure it's a feature I care about being easy on any OS |
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| 23:27.08 | Gnarfoz | break19: well, you've got about 26 characters that were picked for you, then... that's no good at all |
| 23:27.34 | break19 | Ã : hit alt-e then i |
| 23:27.40 | Gnarfoz | why? |
| 23:28.14 | Gnarfoz | just hit the accent key and i |
| 23:28.14 | break19 | î alt i then i |
| 23:28.14 | Gnarfoz | alt-something + key is such a waste of time, when there are accent keys :D |
| 23:28.21 | Diao | just use US-int'l keyboard mode |
| 23:28.23 | Diao | and you hit like |
| 23:28.32 | Diao | accent mark then letter |
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| 23:28.53 | break19 | Diao: thats true.. but thats not default behavior. mine is |
| 23:28.56 | Gnarfoz | which is what I'm saying, yes, for you non-accent guys :D |
| 23:29.02 | Diao | it is default behavior if you set it :D |
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| 23:29.07 | Gnarfoz | also, keyboard layouts *can* indeed be changed, even under windows, so stuff like that is easily possible there, too. widespread adoption of that is lacking... because obviously there's no need :D |
| 23:29.15 | break19 | if you have to set it, then its not default . duh. lol |
| 23:29.22 | Diao | o_o |
| 23:29.33 | Gnarfoz | break19: ... default vs. "out of the box" |
| 23:29.35 | Diao | it's like saying setting windows to write chinese characters is not default behavior |
| 23:29.41 | break19 | besides, if I set my layout to international, I can do exactly the same thing :) |
| 23:29.45 | Diao | when i use chinese primarily in certain things |
| 23:29.51 | Amadeo | Are you guys seriously arguing about this stuff? :P |
| 23:29.54 | Diao | so i set my system default to chinese :p |
| 23:29.57 | break19 | hehe |
| 23:30.07 | Gnarfoz | so? if we set our layouts to stupid-use-of-key-combinations, we can do the same you have "as default" |
| 23:30.16 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 23:30.48 | Diao | but yeah |
| 23:31.06 | Diao | ìíïî |
| 23:31.09 | Diao | did i miss any |
| 23:31.10 | Diao | :P |
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| 23:31.21 | Fisker- | oh god |
| 23:31.25 | Fisker- | you gotta be kidding me |
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| 23:31.48 | Chaud | Did something change with dogtags / talent display? |
| 23:31.49 | break19 | im getting incompatible encodings there.. you using utf8 or utf16? |
| 23:32.00 | Diao | utf8 i think |
| 23:32.00 | Diao | mirc |
| 23:32.07 | Gnarfoz | utf-8. |
| 23:32.09 | Diao | i think so chaud, i keep getting wrong talents in dogtag |
| 23:32.22 | Chaud | I get no talents from Alliance in BGs right now |
| 23:32.28 | break19 | aint 8.. I see the 4 i's then [incompatible encoding] |
| 23:32.34 | Chaud | I can inspect and see them fine, but the tags dont show them |
| 23:32.38 | Diao | hmm |
| 23:32.45 | Diao | wtf |
| 23:32.48 | Arrowmaster | its utf8 |
| 23:32.49 | Diao | i didn't type anything after the i's |
| 23:32.59 | Diao | unless you mean on the next line |
| 23:33.12 | Arrowmaster | your client sucks |
| 23:33.25 | break19 | [5:31pm] <Diao>ìÃïî [incompatible encoding] |
| 23:33.31 | Fisker- | assasin's creed = UTTER SHITY |
| 23:33.34 | Diao | weird |
| 23:33.37 | Diao | all i typed was the 4 is |
| 23:33.37 | Fisker- | and i haven't even gotten to the tutorial |
| 23:33.41 | Diao | and hit enter |
| 23:33.45 | Diao | i's* |
| 23:33.47 | Arrowmaster | assassins creed is great |
| 23:34.12 | break19 | mmk, must be an issue with my irc client's config then |
| 23:34.13 | Arrowmaster | console version atleast |
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| 23:36.15 | Fisker- | HOLY SHIT |
| 23:36.19 | Fisker- | AND THEN THERE WAS THE TUTORIAL |
| 23:36.21 | Fisker- | PLEASE KILL ME |
| 23:36.25 | Diao | o_O |
| 23:38.41 | Fisker- | omg |
| 23:39.04 | Fisker- | can't even shove the people out of the way |
| 23:39.13 | Fisker- | I sneak all my way there to gently push them |
| 23:39.16 | Fisker- | some retard walks into me |
| 23:39.21 | Fisker- | BOOM 30 people fall over |
| 23:39.23 | Fisker- | REALISTIC |
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| 23:42.24 | Chaud | .../wrists @dogtags |
| 23:42.33 | Chaud | doesn't show anyones spec hardly anymore |
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| 23:43.03 | Ellipsis | yeah yeah Chaud, known issue, we'll get around to it someday :P |
| 23:43.16 | Chaud | You broke it =( |
| 23:43.42 | Ellipsis | I did not |
| 23:44.42 | Chaud | Someone broke it |
| 23:45.22 | Ellipsis | ck did |
| 23:45.28 | Ellipsis | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/LibDogTag-2.0/Modules/Talent.lua |
| 23:45.45 | Ellipsis | people said rolling back to a version before those last two commits fixed their issues |
| 23:46.09 | Chaud | Yeah, guess I would do that if I played more than BGs once in a while now =\ |
| 23:46.41 | Chaud | Is the next dogtag going to have a way to change this long aff/demo talent name to Sl/sl =p |
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| 23:47.23 | Ellipsis | it won't show SL/SL, no |
| 23:47.33 | Ellipsis | but it will show Aff/Demo instead of Affliction/Demonology |
| 23:47.41 | Ellipsis | and that's been a planned tag for a while with no ETA |
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| 23:51.41 | Wobin_ | yay for Moonwitch |
| 23:52.08 | break19 | bored. bbl |
| 23:52.39 | Chaud | So we won't have an easy way of renaming the output to something else? |
| 23:55.17 | NightHawkTheSane | the future is here, and we will all soon be robots! http://www.physorg.com/news122819670.html |
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| 23:59.34 | Dashkal | cackle: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8115-ThunderfuryBegone.html |
