| 00:00.42 | Cryect | oh nice |
| 00:01.10 | Cryect | now if they just would give us say cast events for instant spells |
| 00:01.19 | Nandini | hooray for attributing pets (and presumably totems) to owners |
| 00:01.29 | Antiarc | Sexy/ |
| 00:01.43 | Antiarc | Cryect: (along with who cast it, naturally) |
| 00:01.47 | Cryect | we could already do that with the UnitGUID but this defiantely makes it easier |
| 00:01.48 | Nandini | and presumably totems pets to totems to totem's owners :) |
| 00:01.48 | Antiarc | So you can associate it now |
| 00:02.12 | Cryect | yeah of course who casts it :-p |
| 00:02.43 | Nandini | i think totems summon their pets, but now you know who created the totem with no problems |
| 00:03.05 | Cryect | just annoys me always that instant casts are eventless to everyone except the caster (and its not bandwidth saving because an event is actually sent that triggers an effect from spell.dbc) |
| 00:03.29 | breser | They've said they'll fix that in a future patch. |
| 00:03.34 | Cryect | oh they have? |
| 00:03.44 | breser | Yup Slouken said it on the 2.4 change thread. |
| 00:03.59 | Cryect | good ^_^ |
| 00:04.04 | Cryect | Only took how many years :-p |
| 00:04.22 | breser | Ohh maybe not... |
| 00:04.24 | breser | "Yes, auras don't currently have a spell cast success message, but this is planned for a future patch." |
| 00:04.34 | breser | However, a lot of the instant casts are caught by that. |
| 00:04.51 | Cryect | yeah, that won't catch counterspells |
| 00:04.57 | breser | True. |
| 00:05.09 | Cryect | hopefully they will do it general enough for all instants |
| 00:05.21 | Nandini | i think interrupts are also not always showing up as expected, i haven't tested yet tho |
| 00:06.00 | breser | They aren't there's a post complaining about it. |
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| 00:06.47 | breser | I think there's been enough bitching about the issue with lifebloom, prayer of mending etc... that they have to make some degree of changing to the logs to let us properly attribute... |
| 00:07.19 | Cryect | We can properly attribute if the caster runs a mod :-p |
| 00:08.01 | breser | Yeah right everyone is going to run a mod so we can have better meters. :P |
| 00:08.17 | Cryect | well if they want their own personal numbers to be better then they might ;) |
| 00:09.00 | Cryect | if libhealcomm didn't purposely block sending of instant casts could just use that and almost all healers use some addon that uses it |
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| 00:10.50 | Elsia | heya |
| 00:10.54 | Cryect | hiya |
| 00:11.12 | breser | I'd much rather have something that we didn't have to depend on an addon to have accurate numbers. |
| 00:11.22 | Cryect | agreed |
| 00:11.57 | Cryect | the data though for casts is being transmitted and triggers internal client events so it shouldn't be too much to expose at least that |
| 00:13.41 | breser | Hmm can't seem to figure out how to stop PitBull from popping up the config window when I shift+right click on a frame... Hate that. |
| 00:14.06 | nevcairiel | who really cares about accurate healing numbers o.O |
| 00:14.06 | charon | "<Orionshock> charon: change play style?" ... sure. nothing would be easier :) |
| 00:14.15 | nevcairiel | you cant measure healing performance with a chart |
| 00:14.24 | nevcairiel | and if you really think you can, you fail |
| 00:14.31 | Ellipsis | breser: don't shift-right-click then? |
| 00:14.55 | breser | I use click casting sometimes I do it on accident. |
| 00:15.08 | breser | I don't want a damn window popping up just becuase I hit the wrong button. |
| 00:15.22 | Ellipsis | so set your click-casting addon to override shift-right-click |
| 00:15.23 | Elsia | unfortunately lifebloom, earth shield and PoM are some of the more interesting things to track actually, stuff like which healer is good at keeping them up and rolling on the right targets |
| 00:15.43 | Elsia | not for big numbers but for in-raid behavior |
| 00:16.53 | nevcairiel | i'm the druid class leader and raid lead, and i never ever bothered to even think about checking charts if lifebloom was stacked up |
| 00:17.02 | nevcairiel | i just pay attention during the raid |
| 00:17.02 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 00:17.12 | Cryect | nevcairiel: if people took the time to design some new metrics you pretty much can break down how good a healer into pure numbers |
| 00:17.26 | nevcairiel | i dont think you can |
| 00:17.27 | Cryect | amount healed isn't a very good metric though I agree |
| 00:17.33 | Cryect | Oh yes you can :-p |
| 00:17.33 | nevcairiel | healing is very circumstancial |
| 00:17.40 | Cryect | Yes and numbers are very circumstancial |
| 00:17.46 | Elsia | #deaths is a pretty good metric :D |
| 00:17.49 | breser | You have a point but charts can show healers that are doing horribly. |
| 00:17.50 | Cryect | you have to know what those numbers mean and what is important when |
| 00:17.58 | nevcairiel | one healer can have alot of overheal just due to coincedence |
| 00:18.15 | nevcairiel | while the other has double the effective heal |
| 00:18.18 | nevcairiel | doesnt mean the first was bad |
| 00:18.31 | Cryect | I have a bunch of healing metrics I've worked out on paper I just never implemented but in theory should be better |
| 00:18.48 | Cryect | But won't discuss them till I ever see them in use |
| 00:18.52 | breser | Time between damage and cast... |
| 00:19.00 | breser | e.g. response time. |
| 00:19.07 | Chompers | i look forward to see them in action cryect ;) |
| 00:19.11 | Cryect | thats one potential metric |
| 00:19.12 | Chompers | *seeing |
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| 00:19.25 | Cryect | other ones are figuring out "saving" heals |
| 00:19.25 | breser | Recount can already show hot uptime. |
| 00:19.31 | nevcairiel | i've been analyzing WWS for DPS and HPS for ever, you can see when one healer is totally slacking, but you cant tell the difference between "average and luck" and "good and bad luck" |
| 00:19.34 | breser | Which is actually pretty decent for druids. |
| 00:19.38 | Elsia | but nev does have a point, it's the same with putting numbers on basketball or baseball |
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| 00:19.55 | Elsia | it really depends |
| 00:19.57 | Cryect | which would be heals that if removed would result in dead targets etc |
| 00:20.07 | Cryect | Well they track tons of stats in sports |
| 00:20.13 | Cryect | and you have to know what those stats mean |
| 00:20.18 | Cryect | and when they are useful |
| 00:20.26 | nevcairiel | i can pretty much judge a healer by looking at him during a raid |
| 00:20.32 | nevcairiel | but not from stats afterwards |
| 00:20.38 | doc^bla | dps has the same luck factor |
| 00:20.44 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 00:20.49 | nevcairiel | dps can just go full out all the time |
| 00:20.58 | nevcairiel | no "overheal" involved |
| 00:21.00 | breser | There's a more limited amount of healing that can be done at any time. |
| 00:21.14 | Chompers | nev, what about fights where melee have to step out for a few seconds |
| 00:21.15 | breser | The only overdamage there is when a target approaches death. |
| 00:21.16 | Elsia | for healers interplay matters a lot, someone can do a great job by healing very little, if he heals the right things at the right time |
| 00:21.23 | Elsia | but for that others have to cover other things |
| 00:21.26 | Chompers | or the VR fight, with ranged dps having to run away from orbs |
| 00:21.27 | breser | So in encounters with lots of adds there can be lots of overdamage... |
| 00:21.33 | Elsia | you can flip healing meters just be reassinging different tasks |
| 00:21.36 | nevcairiel | Chompers: thats different, of course, fights with movement always screw melees |
| 00:22.03 | Cryect | thats not different |
| 00:22.04 | Elsia | but that doesn't mean that the data is devoid of helpful info. you will find if a pala is a flasher or a HoLer |
| 00:22.38 | nevcairiel | if i ever have time _during_ a raid to analyze stats in that detail, i'm doing something wrong |
| 00:22.43 | nevcairiel | and after the raid --> WWS :) |
| 00:22.46 | Elsia | you'll figure out if a druid forgets to use his innervate etc |
| 00:22.46 | breser | I think the point here is that while meters and numbers don't show everything... |
| 00:22.49 | Cryect | WWS isn't that great |
| 00:22.53 | breser | It would still be nice if we had accurate numbers. |
| 00:23.04 | Cryect | It hasn't really innovated on stats :-/ |
| 00:23.12 | nevcairiel | it doesnt have to |
| 00:23.18 | nevcairiel | it gives you raw stats |
| 00:23.22 | nevcairiel | and you interpret them |
| 00:23.25 | Cryect | no it doesn't |
| 00:23.27 | Grum | overhealing doesnt matter tbh |
| 00:23.27 | nevcairiel | worked fine for me and my guild |
| 00:23.28 | breser | As it stands right now healing numbers aren't accurate and can't be due to the log mechanics. |
| 00:23.28 | Cryect | raw stats is the combat log |
| 00:23.31 | Grum | as long as you have enough mana |
| 00:23.41 | Cryect | its processed stats |
| 00:23.43 | nevcairiel | Cryect: a human cant parse a 40mb combatlog :P |
| 00:23.57 | nevcairiel | its as raw as it gets |
| 00:24.05 | Cryect | not really |
| 00:24.11 | Elsia | WWS is actually heuristic, it's overhealing for example is less accurate than in-game damage meters, not that that matters much |
| 00:24.26 | Cryect | you can't take WWS and generate new metrics from their stats besides things like DPS |
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| 00:24.31 | Elsia | anything that needs Unit info is heuristic in WWS |
| 00:24.32 | Cryect | since thats Damage/Active Time |
| 00:24.42 | Cryect | You are stuck with what stats they decide to track otherwise |
| 00:24.47 | Chompers | it would be awesome to see healing + overhealing on the same recount graph, perhaps show overhealing as a darker shade |
| 00:24.48 | Grum | stuff like PoM/Earthshield etc arent logged properly |
| 00:24.59 | nevcairiel | and they never will be |
| 00:25.07 | nevcairiel | the combatlog logs the game mechanics |
| 00:25.09 | Cryect | And they are with ingame addons |
| 00:25.17 | Cryect | or pretty close to it |
| 00:25.25 | Grum | nevcairiel: they could fix it tbh |
| 00:25.32 | nevcairiel | Grum: not easily |
| 00:25.36 | Cryect | they could track PoM in WWS |
| 00:25.39 | nevcairiel | and they dont want to |
| 00:25.40 | Cryect | they can't Earthshield & lifebloom |
| 00:25.46 | Grum | but just naming it a 'heal of type X by healer Y' |
| 00:25.54 | Cryect | they decide to track overhealing so thats just saying they are being lazy |
| 00:26.00 | Grum | the downside of that is that the aggro management is fucked :D |
| 00:26.04 | Cryect | Because Overhealing is a lot more subjective than figuring out PoM healing |
| 00:26.05 | Grum | so they have to fix that for those spells that need it |
| 00:26.16 | Grum | tbh, overhealing is hard to determain as well |
| 00:26.29 | nevcairiel | you need to track the HP loss of the target |
| 00:26.31 | Cryect | its not of course, just look at how much damage someone took |
| 00:26.33 | Cryect | right |
| 00:26.49 | Cryect | and you can track PoM even simpler with a simple stack of PoM's |
| 00:26.55 | Grum | so what if 2 heals come in at the same time |
| 00:27.17 | nevcairiel | they get processed due to order in combatlog |
| 00:27.18 | Grum | if you would know from whom PoM jumped you could track it |
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| 00:27.27 | Grum | atm you have to guessimate it |
| 00:27.30 | Cryect | Grum, you do kinda |
| 00:27.41 | Grum | well, if there is one pom you can know |
| 00:27.47 | Grum | if there are 2 poms .. its hard :) |
| 00:27.49 | Cryect | an event gets triggered for PoM going off then there is travel time then it lands and says so |
| 00:27.56 | Grum | yes |
| 00:28.05 | Cryect | well its only hard w/ 2 poms when AOE procs both them :-p |
| 00:28.05 | nevcairiel | its still alot of guesses |
| 00:28.08 | Grum | but now you have 2 tanks, both with pom, both get hit at the same time |
| 00:28.10 | Grum | so it jumps |
| 00:28.17 | Cryect | yes overhealing is a lot of guessing as well :-p |
| 00:28.26 | nevcairiel | not that much |
| 00:28.32 | Cryect | yeah it is |
| 00:28.34 | Grum | tbh it is |
| 00:28.51 | Cryect | you assume the target is at full health, they don't lose buffs that change their max health etc |
| 00:29.02 | nevcairiel | max-health doesnt matter |
| 00:29.03 | Cryect | lots of stuff like that |
| 00:29.05 | Cryect | yes it does |
| 00:29.12 | breser | Does for some fights. |
| 00:29.14 | nevcairiel | only the health-offset to 100% does |
| 00:29.17 | breser | Zul'jin comes to mind. |
| 00:29.24 | Cryect | if your amount of max health changes |
| 00:29.26 | Elsia | you don't know 100% though |
| 00:29.38 | Cryect | w/ some abilities instead of losing the health |
| 00:29.49 | Diao | hmm |
| 00:29.49 | Cryect | I mean instead of having your percent health change |
| 00:29.54 | Diao | warr/druid vs ret pally/resto shaman |
| 00:29.55 | Cryect | err... |
| 00:29.57 | Grum | if blizzard would guarantee the order we see is the order the server parsed it in - you can do it |
| 00:29.58 | Cryect | example |
| 00:29.58 | Diao | how to play? |
| 00:30.11 | Grum | but what if someone changes gear while you are healing him? |
| 00:30.13 | Grum | kek ;D |
| 00:30.17 | Cryect | if a druid is in bearform goes to casterform the amount of health they have offseted from 100% changes |
| 00:30.27 | Cryect | hence the overheal numbers are wrong then |
| 00:30.31 | Grum | or simpler, his sword/shield wears out :P |
| 00:30.41 | breser | Cryect: percentage wise it isn't. |
| 00:30.49 | Cryect | percentage wise it stayed the same |
| 00:30.53 | breser | Cryect: Not since they fixed the gaining health from shifting bug. |
| 00:30.56 | Cryect | but WWS doesn't know the percentage |
| 00:31.01 | Cryect | breser thats the point |
| 00:31.06 | Cryect | hence WWS is wrong in that case |
| 00:31.20 | Elsia | the WWS people themselves have said their overhealing calculation is heuristic and underestimates |
| 00:31.26 | breser | Ohh I see what you mean (sorry doing other things an only half paying attention now) |
| 00:31.45 | Cryect | btw overhealing example in SWSTats on the otherhand is overestimated |
| 00:31.49 | breser | I'm pretty sure everyone knows overheal numbers are crap. |
| 00:32.05 | Grum | overhealing means crap |
| 00:32.06 | Cryect | or actually its overestimated in almost any addon that syncs Overhealing |
| 00:32.06 | breser | Doesn't count hot ticks that do nothing either. |
| 00:32.26 | nevcairiel | I still think complex ingame stats are a waste. write a addon to generate additional stats that go hand-in-hand with a combatlog parser, and make WWS2 with combatlog parsing, and your additional data .. then its useful |
| 00:32.33 | NeoTron | Hmm. need to figure out the best way to have an ordered multi-selection config ui |
| 00:32.37 | Cryect | right the point was there is no reason WWS couldn't track PoM since they track overhealing |
| 00:33.00 | Grum | nevcairiel: you know what would be useful, is keeping track of mana/hp during a fight |
| 00:33.02 | Grum | see the mana flow |
| 00:33.08 | Grum | see if someone is cheap on pots =D |
| 00:33.20 | Elsia | simple pot count can show that, see WWS |
| 00:33.26 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 00:33.32 | Cryect | nevcairiel: you are constantly uploading new combatlogs during fights to wws to figure out what to improve on during new bosses? |
| 00:33.34 | nevcairiel | but mana flow would still be nice |
| 00:33.50 | Cryect | if you are then I think you are crazy but more power to you :-p |
| 00:33.57 | nevcairiel | Cryect: no, but if you're learning a encounter, and need dps/healing stats for that ...... thats crazy |
| 00:34.00 | Elsia | no the real advantage of online meters is "what killed someone", i.e. immediate feedback to improve and learn |
| 00:34.20 | nevcairiel | Elsia: what killed someone -> 20 last lines of combatlog :P |
| 00:34.39 | Elsia | well except that it's hard to read and goes on after the first person dies |
| 00:34.46 | Cryect | nevcairiel: you should have fought Hydross 1.0 a month after TBC was out when you had to figure out how to eek out the max damage out of every single player |
| 00:34.51 | nevcairiel | Elsia: ever used expiration? |
| 00:34.56 | Elsia | damage meters are nothing but a refined and more accesisble way to look at combat log and additional info |
| 00:35.03 | charon | nevcairiel: i've done heal stats that estimate HOT overheal (not in the log). _those_ are quite enlightening... |
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| 00:35.28 | Elsia | nev: briefly, I decided that recount worked better for my style ;) |
| 00:35.29 | Cryect | If you think stats are worthless for analyzing then WWS is poitnless |
| 00:35.44 | nevcairiel | charon: all stupid pallys cause HoT overheal, because they cant keep their flash in check |
| 00:35.54 | aestil | recount will be an ingame wws? |
| 00:35.58 | aestil | i keep waiting to hear that. |
| 00:36.00 | Ellipsis | hot overheal isn't under the control of the healer who put the hot up... |
| 00:36.07 | Ellipsis | it seems like a useless stat to me |
| 00:36.23 | charon | it seems like a fairly important stat to me |
| 00:36.40 | charon | usually, counting hot overheal and all, our druids would have higher total healing than anyone else |
| 00:36.41 | Cryect | HOT Uptime is a more important stat to track thn HOT Overheal imo but only when its needed |
| 00:36.42 | breser | It's not a reflection of the healer applying the hot though. |
| 00:36.43 | Elsia | hot overheal in a sense is not a bad stat ;) |
| 00:36.50 | breser | But of your other healers who don't pay attention to hots. |
| 00:36.59 | nevcairiel | i think analyzing a new fight with ingame stats is worthless. we analyze raids with WWS afterwards to judge DPS and partly Healers, not our tactics |
| 00:37.10 | Elsia | yep hot overheal correlates with hot uptime, but just show uptime which is more directly the quality you'd want |
| 00:37.19 | breser | If other healers would learn what hots heal how much they could make reasonable decisions about it. |
| 00:37.21 | Elsia | nev: to each their own |
| 00:37.22 | charon | so that graph told me that the druid in question, who didn't really "excel" by any measure on the normal charts, actually had tons of potential that was just wasted due to luck/playstyle/whatever |
| 00:37.38 | Elsia | I use WWS, recount, combat log, asking on vent, whatever works to improve the situation |
| 00:37.41 | breser | Speaking of which it'd be interesting to make the PitBull visual heal estimate the healing coming from currently stack hots. |
| 00:38.04 | Elsia | i also just observe raid and what happens.. all these are viable ways to try to improve |
| 00:38.05 | Cryect | Elsia: same when I raided, heh plus writing the boss mods on the fly etc |
| 00:38.06 | nevcairiel | you simply dont have time to interpret and analyze logs when running boss trys, talking the tactics through on vent is taking all the time you need already |
| 00:38.14 | Cryect | yes you do |
| 00:38.31 | nevcairiel | at least for us, raid performance degrades ALOT when you spend too long talking about numbers |
| 00:38.33 | breser | nevcairiel: It's called a division of labor. |
| 00:38.38 | Elsia | well my style is that we analyse what went wrong on the previous pull and try to improve on it |
| 00:38.44 | Cryect | you have people devoted to figuring out certain things |
| 00:38.46 | Elsia | you need some way to make that analysis fast and meaningfully |
| 00:38.56 | Elsia | often just asking people why they died is enough but not always |
| 00:39.13 | Elsia | sometimes you want to see if it was peak damage, crushing blows, parries, etc |
| 00:39.24 | Elsia | and you can adjust fairly immediately and safe 2 hours of wiping |
| 00:39.43 | Cryect | Really I want a HMM ability tracker that can then generate a simplfied model of how a player uses their abilties for suggestions on how to tell people to improve also but thats one of those far fetched ideas |
| 00:39.48 | Elsia | damage meters just try to make the info more accessible, is all |
| 00:39.52 | Cryect | yep |
| 00:40.18 | nymbia | how do i get the spell id of the current casting spell |
| 00:40.23 | Elsia | you could just use combat log but it's a pain trying to find the crushing blows in the list of stuff that hit 4 tanks and raid damage/healing |
| 00:40.27 | nevcairiel | most of the time there are a few reasons: 1) obvious flaw you noticed anyway; 2) someone died -> asking and checking log of said person; 3) bad luck and boss starts acting up; i dont see how a full chart of the full fight can help me :D |
| 00:40.31 | Camci | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY |
| 00:40.36 | nevcairiel | nymbia: i dont think you can |
| 00:40.41 | Cryect | then WWS is pointless is what you are saying |
| 00:40.49 | nymbia | nevcairiel: in 2.4? |
| 00:40.54 | Cryect | you either think stats are useful or not |
| 00:40.56 | Elsia | nymbia: you mean combat log or cast events? |
| 00:41.02 | Cryect | they don't become magically more useful way after the fact |
| 00:41.14 | nymbia | Elsia: cast events |
| 00:41.18 | Cryect | if anything their importance devalues with time |
| 00:41.19 | nevcairiel | Cryect: stats are useful to measure performance of players, but not in het middle of a raid |
| 00:41.31 | Elsia | don't think you get them, but you get them from combat log related cast events |
| 00:41.32 | Cryect | thats when they are most important |
| 00:41.51 | Antiarc | http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?s=2428ee4f0139534f28bfd0b7d2d92d8a&p=9968715#post9968715 |
| 00:41.52 | Cryect | anyways we disagree on that ^_^ |
| 00:41.52 | nymbia | well then so much for being rid of babble-spell... |
| 00:41.58 | Elsia | if recount only provided stats I'd probably not use it |
| 00:42.04 | nymbia | ~smite Funkeh` |
| 00:42.04 | purl | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves Funkeh` from crown to sole. |
| 00:42.20 | nevcairiel | thats why i will never use that memory and cpu whoring addon =P |
| 00:42.51 | Cryect | haha |
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| 00:43.30 | nevcairiel | how is tracking addon-comm and network load important to anyone, btw? :) |
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| 00:44.03 | Cryect | You should read the commit note for that |
| 00:44.20 | nevcairiel | too long ago to look for the note now :P |
| 00:44.21 | Cryect | those should be removed now since they served their purpose basically |
| 00:44.25 | Cryect | not really |
| 00:44.55 | Elsia | yeah they are no longer in the 2.4 build |
| 00:45.05 | Cryect | That was added ~1 month ago and I don't think tracker.lua has changed that much on in the past month on the live build |
| 00:45.28 | Cryect | they were added at the time as was said simply for improving sync amount |
| 00:45.34 | Cryect | and was to get a reference idea |
| 00:45.57 | Cryect | and wasn't going to ask people to update from a branch to tell me data |
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| 00:46.55 | Elsia | whee slouken gave us ways to fully track totems and guardians! |
| 00:46.56 | Cryect | Antiarc: too bad instead he didn't have a browser opened to TrannySurprise |
| 00:46.59 | nevcairiel | anyway, maybe its just my guild or something, but the only issues we have with bosses, are either obvious errors by players, or a flaw in our tactic, i dont remember a case where stats wouldve helped us |
| 00:47.23 | Cryect | Elsia: yeah you missed the discussing of that right before you joined |
| 00:47.40 | Cryect | you are prolly hitting fights when you are decently well geared for the fight |
| 00:47.52 | Elsia | was the last thing to worry about aside from reactive self-heals ala PoM |
| 00:47.56 | Cryect | stats are important when you need to min/max to actually beat the fight |
| 00:48.11 | nevcairiel | we only use WWS to judge performance of the DPS afterwards, only on long term too, maybe 4-5 raids before we even bring the topic of bad dps up to one player |
| 00:48.31 | Elsia | more meaningful thank DPS is spell/ability use |
| 00:48.40 | Elsia | you can see if a DPS uses a bad sequence |
| 00:48.51 | Cryect | even more meaningful would be spell/ability cycle |
| 00:49.17 | nevcairiel | hm dunno about gear, we never really spent along time farming gear |
| 00:49.25 | nevcairiel | now with T6 we did, due to lack of new content =P |
| 00:49.57 | Cryect | They kinda went away from the min/max requirements in Hyjal/BT |
| 00:50.17 | Cryect | but the original SSC was really bad for it >_< |
| 00:50.30 | nevcairiel | too bad we never saw vashj 1.0 .. but hydross 1.0 we did |
| 00:51.26 | Cryect | Hydross 1.0 was fun in mostly T3 :-p |
| 00:51.37 | Cryect | and quest greens |
| 00:52.10 | nevcairiel | we hit it with instance blues and half kara epics |
| 00:52.11 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 00:52.13 | Cryect | but yeah if you hadn't have had to min/max much I can see why you don't think stats then are very useful |
| 00:53.29 | nevcairiel | i wonder if brutallus stays a hard DPS fight like he is |
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| 00:53.37 | Cryect | I think thats his intention |
| 00:53.47 | nevcairiel | if yes, maybe we need stats finally afterall :P |
| 00:53.51 | Elsia | heh SPELL_SUMMON obsoletey 90% of the pet code I wrote and debugged the last 2 days :P |
| 00:54.07 | Elsia | assuming that persistent pet summons also trigger the event |
| 00:54.10 | Cryect | I was surprised they didn't really have a DPS based fight in Hyjal/BT |
| 00:54.16 | Arrowmaster | this is why i havent been messing with guidreg |
| 00:54.28 | Cryect | hehe Arrowmaster ^_^ |
| 00:54.38 | nevcairiel | there kinda is RoS .. but its too easy |
| 00:54.48 | Elsia | no biggie really, it just means I may be able to dump more roster scanning than I already have |
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| 00:55.08 | Cryect | yeah RoS is like a day or two of learning just how to DPS wasn't really too gear dependent |
| 00:55.31 | Elsia | well akama feels like it ought to be a DPS check but it really isn't it's basically an easy neffy phase 1 and then an anti-climax |
| 00:55.34 | nevcairiel | BT was more of a healing instance |
| 00:55.37 | nevcairiel | not a DPS instance |
| 00:55.46 | Cryect | Hyjal was more of a trash instance :p |
| 00:55.48 | nevcairiel | akama is bt chess event :P |
| 00:55.55 | Cryect | hey you killed the trash then here is an easy boss |
| 00:55.58 | nevcairiel | free epix |
| 00:56.21 | Elsia | hyjal up to archimonde is all about trash really |
| 00:56.39 | nevcairiel | man how i hate hyjal by now |
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| 00:56.46 | Arrowmaster | im going to pull all the guid returning stuff out of guidreg now except maybe the raidicon to guid stuff |
| 00:56.49 | nevcairiel | i'm finally exalted with those fuckers tho =P |
| 00:56.56 | Cryect | I hated hyjal shortly after I realized it was just a ton of gauntlets in disguise |
| 00:57.06 | Cryect | which was like the first time I went through the place |
| 00:57.17 | nevcairiel | the first month or so it was still fun |
| 00:57.27 | Cryect | yeah it was kinda fun as a tank |
| 00:57.37 | Cryect | before we switched to having a single pally tank almost everything |
| 00:57.42 | nevcairiel | hehe |
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| 00:57.57 | nevcairiel | we have one pally and one def tank for taking some abos of his ass |
| 00:58.02 | Cryect | then it was like uh yeah I'm not really doing something besides tanking one/two really hard hitting mobs |
| 00:58.33 | Elsia | I think they intentionally made hyjal the "pala tanks shine" instance |
| 00:58.42 | Cryect | yeah, they needed something |
| 00:59.06 | nevcairiel | we had some fun last week with our pally, incoming wave of abonimations, he had all 6 on him |
| 00:59.07 | nevcairiel | and what |
| 00:59.11 | nevcairiel | his shield breaks |
| 00:59.12 | Cryect | haha ^-^ |
| 00:59.14 | nevcairiel | he insta died |
| 00:59.24 | Cryect | yeah I love when a pally's shield breaks in hyjal |
| 00:59.46 | nevcairiel | he already has 2 of those rune shields (bt random drop thing with spell dmg) |
| 00:59.50 | nevcairiel | for switching in hyjal :P |
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| 01:00.43 | Cryect | time to see if my changes to data tracking in Recount2 work :-p |
| 01:00.47 | Elsia | meh gief next PTR build with SPELL_SUMMON/SPELL_CREATE nau |
| 01:00.53 | Cryect | haha Elsia |
| 01:01.15 | Cryect | I'm glad I've got a bunch of other framework stuff to do before worrying about the stuff that keeps changing with GUID's |
| 01:01.18 | nevcairiel | i dotn suspect it before tuesday wednesday |
| 01:01.27 | nevcairiel | *or |
| 01:01.43 | nevcairiel | anyway, 2am again .. i should go and sleep |
| 01:01.53 | Elsia | it's fine, anything that will make it so we don't have to sync for in-range tracking is worth waiting for. |
| 01:01.56 | Cryect | night |
| 01:02.01 | Elsia | nighty |
| 01:02.46 | Cryect | whee, nothing broke! |
| 01:03.16 | Cryect | and looks like that halved memory usage at the moment |
| 01:03.24 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia 072.4 * r63345 10Quartz/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 01:03.24 | CIA-9 | Quartz: |
| 01:03.24 | CIA-9 | - Remove 2.3 compat code in Swing |
| 01:03.25 | CIA-9 | - Fix Interrupt for 2.4 |
| 01:03.25 | CIA-9 | - Update toc, itch Deformat |
| 01:03.25 | CIA-9 | - WTB spell IDs in spell events so I can ditch Babble-Spell!! |
| 01:03.54 | Elsia | cryect: is it in shape to try? |
| 01:04.05 | Cryect | there isn't much of a GUI at the moment |
| 01:04.32 | Cryect | The gui I'm working with is /script aListFrame=Recount2:CreateListFrame('test', nil, 200, 400, 20, 2) /script aListFrame:SetView('cTotal', '[%d. %s:cPos, If(cName, cName, "No Name")] ([cClass, cRace, cLevel, cClassification, cType])', '[%d (%.1f):cTotal, cTotal/cCount]', 'Outgoing', 1) |
| 01:04.49 | Cryect | Been working on getting the expression evaluator and tags to work correctly recently |
| 01:04.57 | Elsia | hehe |
| 01:05.08 | Cryect | and been working on memory mainly today |
| 01:06.44 | CIA-9 | 03werehamster * r63346 10IFrameManager/IFrameManager.lua: IFrameManager: Ezekiel 25,17 |
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| 01:07.33 | Cryect | had to do stuff like get Tag Processing to use essentially no memory due to how much it gets called (down to around 3 bytes on avg per call now) |
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| 01:08.02 | Elsia | :D |
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| 01:10.19 | Cryect | Anyways now to work on being able to group data together |
| 01:11.11 | Orionshock | nymbia: thought the combat log gave you the spell id and the spell name? |
| 01:11.14 | Elsia | nymbia: spell casting start will show in combat log as SPELL_CAST_START which will give you a spell-id. maybe you can use that? |
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| 01:15.07 | Elsia | anyway, bed time for me, night folks |
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| 01:15.26 | Kivin | !ap 1704 |
| 01:15.27 | WoWLuaircBot | Kivin: Arena points from a rating of 1704 is, 2v2: 466, 3v3: 539, 5v5: 613 |
| 01:17.11 | Yssaril | if i am assigning multible textures to a frame how do i manipulate which one is on top and which one is on the bottom? |
| 01:17.50 | Antiarc | Via the texture layers |
| 01:17.55 | Antiarc | See the CreateTexture() API |
| 01:18.36 | Hjalte | NeoTron: AceLocale-3.0 is complaining about a lot of missing entries when using MagicMarker. |
| 01:20.21 | Yssaril | antiarc so all i have to work with is background/border/artwork/overlay? |
| 01:20.30 | Antiarc | Think so. |
| 01:20.31 | Orionshock | Hjalte: what locale? |
| 01:20.45 | Antiarc | If you have more than that, you probably need multiple frames on top of each other. |
| 01:21.05 | Hjalte | Orionshock: Uh. Don't ask difficult questions. It doesn't really say, I think. |
| 01:21.12 | Yssaril | hmm i think i can avoid using more than those 4 |
| 01:21.30 | Orionshock | Hjalte: no, what's your locale? enUS deDE? |
| 01:21.33 | Yssaril | Hjalte: what he means is what language of wow are u running? |
| 01:21.53 | Hjalte | Orionshock: Oh, I'm playing the english version. |
| 01:22.51 | Orionshock | so Antiarc your making a menu lib? gona replace dewdrop? |
| 01:22.59 | Antiarc | Yeah |
| 01:23.12 | Antiarc | At least for Ace3 |
| 01:23.13 | NeoTron | Hjalte: yeah I know. :) heavy work in progress |
| 01:23.15 | Orionshock | hehe, only if we can feed it an options table :D |
| 01:23.20 | Antiarc | Could be used for Ace2 if someone wants to write glue for it. |
| 01:23.33 | Hjalte | NeoTron: Does it still work alright when I use it? |
| 01:23.42 | NeoTron | it does work yes |
| 01:24.09 | NeoTron | I've used it in BT/hyjal and learned alot about how annoying it is to use today and how limited... :) |
| 01:24.57 | NeoTron | what I'm working on now: http://eongames.com/tmp/magic.jpg |
| 01:26.53 | NeoTron | still need to figure out how to make the config for an ordered multi-select list |
| 01:27.09 | NeoTron | i.e the possible CC methods and the priority of using them |
| 01:28.33 | nymbia | Orionshock: hrmm... well, there's no SPELL_START event for instant casts, so i'm stuck waiting for SPELL_DAMAGE or SPELL_MISSED, which comes after travel time |
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| 01:28.52 | nymbia | no good for something that's timing sensitive |
| 01:29.11 | Hjalte | NeoTron: I'll be following the development of the addon :) |
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| 01:30.31 | nymbia | any way to pluck the spell id offa the action bar or something? |
| 01:31.52 | chiper | can pitbull draw health/power bars vertically? |
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| 01:34.13 | Zhinjio | chiper: don't think so |
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| 01:37.02 | Funkeh` | nymbia, were you looking for me for something? |
| 01:37.16 | nymbia | yeah |
| 01:37.29 | nymbia | didnt you say we could get rid of babblespell in 2.4? |
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| 01:37.37 | Funkeh` | yeah |
| 01:37.44 | nymbia | well |
| 01:37.49 | nymbia | no such luck |
| 01:37.55 | Funkeh` | how so |
| 01:37.56 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 01:38.00 | Ellipsis | chiper: yes, pitbull can do vertical bars |
| 01:38.31 | nymbia | Funkeh`: only place we get it is in combat log events, right? |
| 01:38.37 | nymbia | Funkeh`: spell ids i mean |
| 01:38.47 | Funkeh` | nymbia, yeah I think, why? |
| 01:38.53 | nymbia | Funkeh`: spell events still won't give them to you |
| 01:39.07 | Funkeh` | nymbia, you can get them |
| 01:39.12 | Ellipsis | the combat log event spell events do |
| 01:39.26 | Funkeh` | GetSpellInfo(spellName) will work for spells in your book' |
| 01:39.40 | nymbia | Funkeh`: sweet, that's what i needed |
| 01:39.49 | Funkeh` | np |
| 01:40.06 | Funkeh` | names = only your spells. Ids = everything |
| 01:40.15 | nymbia | Ellipsis: those don't quite work for quartz_swing, since there's no event when it fires |
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| 01:40.41 | nymbia | Ellipsis: and the event when it hits happens too late to use for timing anything, in the case of travel time (autoshot) |
| 01:41.06 | Ellipsis | well people should just stop playing melee classes then :) |
| 01:41.10 | nymbia | true |
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| 01:44.55 | nymbia | Funkeh`: i don't see the id in the returns from GetSpellInfo |
| 01:46.08 | Funkeh` | nymbia, no you won't |
| 01:46.14 | nymbia | :( |
| 01:46.17 | Funkeh` | it returns the localized name still |
| 01:46.29 | Funkeh` | isn't that what you need? |
| 01:46.29 | nymbia | yeah but if i don't have the spell id to start with.. |
| 01:46.43 | Funkeh` | wowhead.com? :D |
| 01:47.05 | nymbia | well, what i want |
| 01:47.19 | nymbia | is to get the spell id from spellcast events |
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| 01:48.30 | nymbia | so, what i'd need to do is to scan through a list of a few dozen spell ids, get the localized name from that, and then compare that against the spell name given to me in a SPELL_CAST_SUCCEEDED event |
| 01:48.38 | nymbia | painful. |
| 01:48.57 | nymbia | oh and maintain that list of spell ids when new ranks are added.. :( |
| 01:49.58 | Funkeh` | not sure I get ya |
| 01:50.27 | Funkeh` | why do you even need the id whe you have the localized name |
| 01:50.47 | nymbia | for quartz_swing there's a list of spells that, when successfully cast, reset the swing timer |
| 01:51.19 | Funkeh` | right |
| 01:51.30 | nymbia | i can't wait for the combat log event when they hit/miss, because for ranged stuff that's too late for using for timing |
| 01:51.38 | CIA-9 | 03scorpion * r63349 10GridStatusHealPriority/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
| 01:51.38 | CIA-9 | GridStatusHealPriority: |
| 01:51.38 | CIA-9 | - zhTW Update |
| 01:51.58 | nymbia | so i'm stuck still using UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 01:52.02 | nymbia | which only gives me name |
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| 01:52.18 | nymbia | from localized name, i need to figure out if the spell is in the list |
| 01:52.19 | Funkeh` | but you only want the name, so collect some id's from wowhead and store the names in some local variables for comparison, you don't need every rank |
| 01:52.28 | nymbia | why not? |
| 01:52.36 | Funkeh` | the name is the same |
| 01:52.36 | nymbia | oh right |
| 01:52.38 | nymbia | good call |
| 01:52.47 | nymbia | yup |
| 01:53.47 | nymbia | but i wanted to overcomplicate it! damn you! |
| 01:53.58 | Funkeh` | hehe |
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| 01:55.33 | Funkeh` | I think what you're mainly doing is just swapping babble spell for a smal list of lcal vars grabing localized names from ids |
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| 01:55.59 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r63350 10Recount2/ (Data.lua GUI_List.lua Tracker.lua expression.lua): |
| 01:55.59 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 01:55.59 | CIA-9 | -Approximately halves the memory store per combatant now to less than 5kb on average from my tests |
| 01:55.59 | CIA-9 | -Minor other changes (mainly setting things up to allow the grouping of data) |
| 01:56.28 | nymbia | Funkeh`: yeah since all i needed babble for is to grab the localized name once |
| 01:56.54 | nymbia | Funkeh`: loading up all of Babble is a bit of overkill when all it's needed for is 6 spell names at load time |
| 01:57.22 | Funkeh` | nymbia, I noticed, thats why I dumped it for locally translated ones in the branch |
| 01:57.31 | Funkeh` | but 2.4 removes the need for that too |
| 01:57.40 | nymbia | yup |
| 01:58.03 | Cryect | yeah makes things so much nicer |
| 01:58.10 | CIA-9 | 03lilsparky 07lilsparky * r63351 10Skillet/ (11 files in 3 dirs): |
| 01:58.10 | CIA-9 | skillet/lilsparky: |
| 01:58.10 | CIA-9 | - continued development |
| 01:58.11 | CIA-9 | - mostly working |
| 01:58.45 | Funkeh` | Cryect, I hope that doesn't mean half the memor doubles the cpu ;p |
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| 01:59.11 | Cryect | Nope |
| 01:59.19 | Cryect | actually reduces the CPU |
| 01:59.22 | Funkeh` | I'm looking forward to actually trying out recount2 |
| 01:59.37 | Cryect | I decided I was storing duplicated data again that didn't need to be there |
| 01:59.42 | Funkeh` | I basically just flamed 1 with all of its flaws it had at the time |
| 01:59.59 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia 072.4 * r63352 10Quartz/ (Quartz.toc Swing/Swing.lua embeds.xml libs/): |
| 01:59.59 | CIA-9 | Quartz: |
| 01:59.59 | CIA-9 | - Use GetSpellInfo to get localized spell names. Untested. |
| 01:59.59 | CIA-9 | - Get rid of Babble-Spell, woo! |
| 01:59.59 | CIA-9 | - ty Funkeh` |
| 02:00.03 | Cryect | well its hard to not acknowledge it has flaws :-p |
| 02:00.12 | Funkeh` | hehe |
| 02:00.44 | Funkeh` | nymbia, that a fresh branch? |
| 02:00.55 | Cryect | I'm much preferring the storing data like a database so far though its requiring a lot more work to interact with the data of course |
| 02:01.27 | nymbia | Funkeh`: yeah |
| 02:01.41 | nymbia | Funkeh`: just tweaks for 2.4 in interrupt and swing |
| 02:03.59 | CIA-9 | 03lilsparky 07lilsparky * r63353 10Skillet/ (10 files in 3 dirs): |
| 02:03.59 | CIA-9 | skillet/lilsparky: |
| 02:03.59 | CIA-9 | - continued development |
| 02:03.59 | CIA-9 | - mostly working |
| 02:03.59 | CIA-9 | (previous commit from wrong directory) |
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| 02:24.31 | Kaelten | its back |
| 02:24.32 | Kaelten | http://www.wowace.com/favicon.ico |
| 02:24.33 | Kaelten | woto |
| 02:24.34 | Kaelten | woot |
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| 02:26.29 | nymbia | nice |
| 02:27.57 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r63354 10Recount2/ (Data.lua Recount2.lua Tracker.lua): |
| 02:27.57 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 02:27.57 | CIA-9 | -Decided to move storing abilities by spellID instead of spellName if they have |
| 02:27.57 | CIA-9 | one. Slight memory increase since storing a table with spellID->spellName |
| 02:27.57 | CIA-9 | conversion plus for spells like lifebloom with different id's for different |
| 02:27.57 | CIA-9 | parts will mean additional memory. Will allow improved flexibility for |
| 02:27.59 | CIA-9 | potentially seeing things like Spell Rank in the future. |
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| 02:40.41 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/tmp/magic2.jpg That'll be sufficient |
| 02:41.02 | NeoTron | for starters.. :P |
| 02:42.54 | Ironhand | does anyone know of an addon that would allow me to synchronize the settings (positioning, colouring, filters) for the built-in Blizzard chat windows between characters? |
| 02:43.44 | Ironhand | or, alternatively, an addon that can mimic the default chat windows completely while sharing settings between characters |
| 02:48.21 | Arrowmaster | copy the chat-cache.txt file in your WTF dir from one char to another |
| 02:49.19 | Ironhand | currently using an sh script to do that... but it's cumbersome to have to do that after every little change |
| 02:51.17 | Cryect | could just setup a script to do it everytime you run wow? |
| 02:52.09 | Ironhand | I would, except for actual play purposes I run wow in windows... |
| 02:52.15 | Cryect | ah |
| 02:52.42 | Stanzilla | nymbia: will you use the same branch for ace3 stuff? |
| 02:52.47 | Ironhand | (can't get anti aliasing working under wine) |
| 02:53.35 | nymbia | Stanzilla: no, i'll move the 2.4 branch to trunk when 2.4 comes out, and i'm guessing ace3 won't be trunk-ready by then |
| 02:53.43 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 02:53.54 | Stanzilla | Ace3 is in trunk atm |
| 02:54.00 | nymbia | yeah but it's beta |
| 02:54.04 | Stanzilla | so? :P |
| 02:54.12 | CIA-9 | 03lilsparky 07lilsparky * r63355 10Skillet/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:54.12 | CIA-9 | skillet/lilsparky: |
| 02:54.12 | CIA-9 | - fixes to initial data gathering |
| 02:54.21 | nymbia | so i'm told not to release addons using it just yet ;) |
| 02:54.35 | Stanzilla | well things have changed while you were gone |
| 02:54.49 | nymbia | fair enough |
| 02:54.51 | Stanzilla | there are addons using ace3 in trunk, too |
| 02:54.58 | nymbia | o rly |
| 02:55.02 | Stanzilla | yaryl |
| 02:55.11 | Stanzilla | s/yl/ly |
| 02:55.25 | nymbia | 'nother / at the end |
| 02:55.33 | Stanzilla | mhm |
| 02:55.37 | Kuja^ | ~fail Stanzilla |
| 02:55.38 | purl | Stanzilla: Fail. |
| 02:55.44 | Stanzilla | lawl |
| 02:55.58 | Funkeh` | yeah but gl merging in all the changes to the branch since you've been gone |
| 02:56.04 | nymbia | yeah rofl |
| 02:56.33 | nymbia | that Ace3 quartz branch is pretty bad anyway, it was a hasty convert on my part and a lot has changed in Ace3 since then |
| 02:56.41 | nymbia | Funkeh`: ready for trunk use though, eh? |
| 02:57.01 | Funkeh` | I hope yo mean ace3 nt your branch |
| 02:57.14 | nymbia | lol yeah i mean ace3 |
| 02:57.19 | Funkeh` | yeah sure |
| 02:57.42 | Funkeh` | Id just do it on te 2.4 branch |
| 02:57.54 | nymbia | hrm.. i might chunk a couple of my smaller addons over to it |
| 02:58.03 | nymbia | then just start anew on the quartz convert |
| 03:00.17 | break19_ | last time I tried the quartz in branches, nothing worked at all, the config stuff was particularly troublesome.. :) |
| 03:00.29 | nymbia | yeah |
| 03:00.42 | nymbia | it almost worked when i was writing it, then some stuff changed in ace3 |
| 03:01.08 | Antiarc | So |
| 03:01.10 | break19_ | i attempted to fix my local copy, but there were a few things I just couldn't wrap my head around. |
| 03:01.13 | Antiarc | With Blizzard giving everyone Mortal Strike |
| 03:01.14 | CIA-9 | 03stan * r63356 10ClassTimer/ClassTimer.toc: ClassTimer: small fix for Locale files. |
| 03:01.19 | Antiarc | I think that rogues should get Mortal Distract |
| 03:01.31 | Wobin | hehe |
| 03:01.31 | break19_ | heh |
| 03:01.35 | Wobin | Mortal Portal |
| 03:01.38 | nymbia | that would be amazing |
| 03:01.44 | Wobin | MORTAL HEAL |
| 03:01.47 | break19_ | they already get a -healing thing.. :p |
| 03:01.51 | Wobin | (only heals for half) |
| 03:01.58 | Antiarc | Wound Poison is kinda a joke. |
| 03:02.03 | Funkeh` | all they need to do is nerf druid |
| 03:02.05 | Antiarc | a) It's dispellable, unlike other MS effects |
| 03:02.05 | Wobin | s'true |
| 03:02.07 | Funkeh` | and good to go |
| 03:02.11 | Antiarc | b) It gets knocked off by any other MS effect |
| 03:02.17 | Antiarc | c) it takes a long-ass time to stack to 5x |
| 03:02.24 | Antiarc | d) It's counterable by Stoneform |
| 03:02.34 | Wobin | yey alliance? |
| 03:02.37 | Antiarc | e) It precludes us from using other poisons |
| 03:02.38 | Cryect | Antiarc, Rogues got screwed because they were the first class to get MS given to them after warriors :-p |
| 03:02.40 | Arrowmaster | omg rofl i think i figured out what was wrong with this HP desktop a while back when i couldnt get it to boot |
| 03:02.53 | Arrowmaster | had it sitting next to me working fine for the past week |
| 03:03.06 | Funkeh` | plugged in? |
| 03:03.08 | Arrowmaster | pluged a keyboard and monitor into it and rebooted, nothing |
| 03:03.18 | Cryect | Next thing I assume will be mages mortal strike anything they hit with arcane explosion |
| 03:03.24 | Arrowmaster | gfx card must be fried |
| 03:03.26 | Cryect | since a totem granting it isn't powerful enough |
| 03:03.39 | Antiarc | Paladins should get Mortal Hearthstone |
| 03:03.51 | break19_ | Arrowmaster: exactly what does it do when ya cold boot it? |
| 03:03.56 | Funkeh` | kills you when you attempt to hearthstone? |
| 03:04.18 | Antiarc | No, no |
| 03:04.19 | Arrowmaster | it turns on then off then the power switch does nothing until i unplug it for a few seconds |
| 03:04.24 | Antiarc | It'd be like Divine Intervention |
| 03:04.27 | Orionshock | imo it should be more like Empowered Hearthstone, where it forces another player to hearth |
| 03:04.43 | Antiarc | They hearth, and when they hearth, their target is affected by a -50% healing debuff for 3 minutes, and can't move or take any action for the duration |
| 03:06.23 | break19_ | Arrowmaster: what all did you try? |
| 03:06.35 | break19_ | sounds to me like something needs to be re-seated.. |
| 03:06.47 | Arrowmaster | i had it completely apart before and couldnt get it working |
| 03:07.03 | Arrowmaster | then just had it sitting here turned off for a few months |
| 03:07.17 | break19_ | hmm.. if the graphics card were fried, usually, theres a series of beeps at power on... |
| 03:07.24 | Arrowmaster | pluged it in last week and its been running fine with nothing but a power cord and network cable |
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| 03:07.48 | break19_ | tried a different monitor I assume? |
| 03:07.55 | Arrowmaster | pluged in a monitor while it was turned on and got nothing on the monitor |
| 03:08.07 | nymbia | had one of those last week at work |
| 03:08.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah was using a different one this time than last time |
| 03:08.14 | nymbia | it was the god damn vga cable |
| 03:08.50 | break19_ | nymbia: usually, different moniter = different vga cable as well. :) |
| 03:09.27 | nymbia | yeah.. but i tried a different monitor without switching vga cables when i was troubleshooting |
| 03:09.38 | nymbia | didn't work so i assumed video card |
| 03:09.42 | nymbia | nope! |
| 03:10.28 | break19_ | heh |
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| 03:12.11 | Cryect | heh thats interesting how when you login every item enchant that is on items in your bag fade off you |
| 03:12.39 | nymbia | yeah i saw that |
| 03:12.46 | nymbia | confused me |
| 03:13.01 | Arrowmaster | i wonder where i put the box for the gf 5200 thats in this thing, i put the tnt2 i removed from it into that box |
| 03:13.02 | kd3 | not even in bags |
| 03:13.13 | kd3 | I'm seeing stuff I haven't worn in years |
| 03:13.17 | kd3 | t2, t3, stuff off c'thun, etc... |
| 03:13.21 | Chaud | Please shoot all of the people in the TTR forum =( |
| 03:13.33 | break19_ | Chaud: *bang* |
| 03:13.42 | Chaud | Worth it to see them all go |
| 03:13.54 | Chaud | "pl0x remove arenas from live" - 1300s blue/kara gear shammy |
| 03:14.14 | Chaud | And awfully geared people, alts, and 6X players |
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| 03:14.29 | break19_ | Arrowmaster: before you assume video card.. put it into a working machine and see if it works in that one. |
| 03:14.44 | Orionshock | Chaud: ... sure arenas where a bad idea to begin with. bout time they got rid of em |
| 03:15.08 | Chaud | Remove Instances from live, make PvE servers with only instances spawned. |
| 03:15.16 | Chaud | About time they got rid of those. =p |
| 03:15.31 | Orionshock | imo it was the casual players that ruined this game. |
| 03:15.41 | Chaud | Paying the bills = ruined the game |
| 03:15.41 | Arrowmaster | break19_: dont have another working machine with an agp slot besides this one and im not pulling this one appart right now |
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| 03:16.17 | break19_ | Arrowmaster: mk. to me, it doesnt really sound like a video card.. are you -sure- its booting all the way, without the monitor hooked up? |
| 03:16.36 | Arrowmaster | it was booting all the way |
| 03:16.42 | Arrowmaster | its not booting at all now |
| 03:17.03 | Arrowmaster | i should just yank the gfx card since i bet its the psu |
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| 03:17.52 | Arrowmaster | hmm i yanked the cdrw drive and it booted a little bit longer |
| 03:18.30 | Chaud | Why do they show the first/last 4 digits of your CC# in account management =\ |
| 03:19.16 | break19_ | I've had similar problems.. it wasnt always the video.. it was a memory chip only partially inserted.. once it was a cpu with a bent pin.. sometimes it'd be the video card not fully in the slot, I had that happen quite a lot with one system I used to have.. the card wasnt exactly the right length, but if I pushed firmly on the backside it'd pop back in and I'd be good to go until it worked itself back out again. |
| 03:20.15 | Arrowmaster | funny story is that this HP was working perfectly fine and i had a new dell to replace it with just because it was old |
| 03:20.24 | break19_ | thing is, it looked like it was completely inserted.. but it wasnt.. and I'd push a little on it. wouldnt feel like it'd moved at all.. |
| 03:20.49 | Arrowmaster | dad couldnt wait and had my mom disconnect this one and move it out of the room and put the new one in, and then i couldnt get it to boot |
| 03:21.39 | break19_ | ah, then there's another thing to look at.. remove the memory chips, brush the contacts with a qtip. dipped in isopropyl alcohol and squeezed to remove excess liquid |
| 03:22.35 | break19_ | weird thing about the chips. if they dont get power for a while, slight corrosion can occur, oddly this doesnt occur if they get power on a regular basis. |
| 03:22.55 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r63357 10Recount2/ (Data.lua GUI_List.lua Tracker.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 03:22.55 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 03:22.55 | CIA-9 | -Can now group a combatant's ability data with :GroupTables(data, groupOn) where |
| 03:22.55 | CIA-9 | data is the combatants tables and groupOn is either 'Info', 'Power', 'School', |
| 03:22.55 | CIA-9 | 'Hit Type', 'Ability', or 'Who'. The returned table has indexed by the grouping |
| 03:22.56 | CIA-9 | the merged numerical results stored in .count, .total, .min, .max, .resist, |
| 03:22.58 | CIA-9 | .absorb, .block and all merged tables in .tables (which can then be passed again |
| 03:22.59 | Arrowmaster | nah this thing had been running 24/7 |
| 03:23.45 | Arrowmaster | it was the day it got moved that i couldnt get it to power up |
| 03:23.48 | Cryect | memory chips can get corrosion if they've been running as well if the socket is tin and the memory contacts are gold or vice versa (in this case the electricity encourages the corrosion) |
| 03:24.24 | Arrowmaster | its an HP... theres no damn gold on any connecters in here |
| 03:24.31 | Cryect | hehe |
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| 03:25.45 | break19_ | lol |
| 03:29.54 | Arrowmaster | well atleast i got everything off the harddrive while i had it working |
| 03:30.25 | Arrowmaster | since the only reason i pluged the monitor in and rebooted was because it kinda hard to install debian without a monitor |
| 03:30.54 | nymbia | Funkeh`: what do i wanna use for deformat in ace3 addons? |
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| 03:31.14 | Funkeh` | don't use it |
| 03:31.21 | nymbia | but i wanna! |
| 03:31.59 | Yssaril | write your own nymbia :P |
| 03:32.16 | [Endeavour] | is there any way to check if a player exists? (Like the check the friend list does when adding new friends "Sry, that person doesn't exit") |
| 03:32.27 | nymbia | because i think some of the localized strings i'm matching against have some oddness to them, not just %d's and %f's |
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| 03:34.39 | Cryect | well figure out what you match to then |
| 03:36.02 | Yssaril | woot done texture wise what do you guys think?http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9674/textureszc6.jpg |
| 03:36.07 | nymbia | but i don't have the strings! |
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| 03:36.18 | Cryect | haha ^_^ |
| 03:36.33 | Cryect | I think you made it a pain to click! http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9674/textureszc6.jpg |
| 03:36.45 | Cryect | looks kinda big? |
| 03:37.13 | Yssaril | yar its way to big (easier to see if you mess up texture wise when you make it big :P) |
| 03:37.42 | Cryect | not sure what to say beyond that though |
| 03:38.11 | Yssaril | gonna be target in the middle ToT on the left and focus on the right :) |
| 03:38.26 | Yssaril | gonna worry about this whole clicking thing at a later time :P |
| 03:38.32 | Cryect | hehe |
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| 03:41.28 | Yssaril | alright will worry about filling up the bars and changing them at will tomorrow :) gnight yall |
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| 03:46.11 | Gngsk | nymbia, ping |
| 03:46.38 | nymbia | Gngsk: pong |
| 03:47.07 | Gngsk | nymbia, is there a timer text for quartz gcd bar in the 2.4 branch? |
| 03:47.28 | nymbia | should there be? |
| 03:47.55 | Gngsk | well, in 2.4 it's possible for spell casters to decrease their gcd via spell haste, so it'd prolly be useful for some classes |
| 03:47.58 | nymbia | 2.4 is trunk with some minor tweaks to swing and interrupt |
| 03:48.06 | Gngsk | ok |
| 03:48.13 | nymbia | but yeah that'd be useful |
| 03:48.14 | Gngsk | consider it a feature request then |
| 03:48.22 | nymbia | sounds good |
| 03:48.26 | Gngsk | I hacked one in locally, but it's nasty better if you do it :P |
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| 04:04.32 | Zhinjio | Hey ck. Grats on yr job. Sounds like a good gig. |
| 04:04.54 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63358 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/data.lua: |
| 04:04.54 | CIA-9 | LibPeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 04:04.54 | CIA-9 | - Re-do Zhinjio's changes that got eaten by the dataminer. |
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| 04:10.54 | ckknight | Zhinjio: seems alright |
| 04:10.56 | ckknight | thus far |
| 04:11.05 | Bruners | idd |
| 04:11.54 | nymbia | ckknight: what job? |
| 04:12.02 | ckknight | I'm now working for curse |
| 04:12.11 | nymbia | ah nice |
| 04:12.12 | ckknight | I sit next to Kaelten |
| 04:12.16 | ckknight | :-P |
| 04:12.19 | nymbia | lol |
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| 04:25.15 | Shadowed | Arcane Torrent, Deadly Throw, Maim, Silence, Silencing Shot, Spell Lock, Feral Charge, Kick, Improved Kick, Pummel, Shield Bash, Improved Shield Bash, Earthshock, Counterspell, Improved Counterspell |
| 04:25.20 | Shadowed | ^ anyone see any silences missing from that list? |
| 04:25.22 | Shadowed | silences/interrupts |
| 04:28.11 | Shadowed | oh Garrote |
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| 04:32.39 | CIA-9 | 03ellipsis * r63359 10PitBull/Aura/ (Core.lua Frames.lua Options.lua Update.lua): PitBull_Aura: reorganized options. Needs translation. Fixes PB-303, PB-288, and probably some others. |
| 04:32.58 | Hobby-home | Dragon's Breath interrupts |
| 04:33.15 | Hobby-home | or you only want silences? |
| 04:34.08 | Shadowed | Looking for things that lock out a spell tree, Dragon's Breath interrupts through a disorient but it doesn't lock a tree |
| 04:34.41 | Hobby-home | ah k, wasn'te sure what you were after |
| 04:34.57 | Hobby-home | arcane torrent also silences, bot no tree lock |
| 04:35.07 | Hobby-home | but* |
| 04:35.16 | Shadowed | well, it's essentially a tree lock |
| 04:35.29 | break19 | just locks -every- tree |
| 04:35.31 | Shadowed | indeed |
| 04:35.33 | Hobby-home | hehe yeah |
| 04:36.03 | Shadowed | However, you did remind me that I have to track for silences being dispelled |
| 04:36.04 | Shadowed | so thanks |
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| 04:36.24 | Hobby-home | np =P |
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| 04:42.21 | CIA-9 | 03next96 * r63360 10Chinchilla/locale/koKR.lua: |
| 04:42.21 | CIA-9 | Chinchilla : |
| 04:42.21 | CIA-9 | - Update locale koKR |
| 04:44.03 | Hobby-home | anyone notice with pitbull that the width on the party pet frames also affects the party frames and vice-versa? |
| 04:44.48 | Hobby-home | am I doing something wrong on layouts that ties them? |
| 04:44.58 | Ellipsis | Hobby-home: it's just a config glitch, the width will be set correctly if you reload |
| 04:45.36 | Hobby-home | Something on the table to be fixed? it's pretty hard positioning them right since it's centered |
| 04:45.54 | Hobby-home | or center aligned rather |
| 04:45.59 | Ellipsis | yeah, it's on the list |
| 04:46.02 | Ellipsis | very long list though :P |
| 04:46.06 | Hobby-home | <3 |
| 04:46.26 | Hobby-home | sorry I'm half here, getting stomped by Vashj heh |
| 04:46.47 | sacarasc | pfft, stupid naga |
| 04:47.31 | Hobby-home | describing a third of our raid? |
| 04:47.34 | Hobby-home | how did you know? |
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| 04:52.47 | NeoTron | Mortal Shadow Bolt |
| 04:52.56 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.13 | aestil | i have taken the allcholol and drank some pills. |
| 04:53.17 | aestil | :D |
| 04:53.42 | aestil | wait. |
| 04:53.55 | aestil | how do you spell allcholol? |
| 04:54.35 | Diao | o_O |
| 04:56.19 | aestil | wtf Antiarc. |
| 04:56.21 | aestil | w |
| 04:56.22 | aestil | t |
| 04:56.24 | aestil | f |
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| 04:58.29 | NeoTron | is there some API to get a zone ID or do you simply have to use GetZoneText? |
| 04:58.34 | aestil | wine. |
| 04:58.38 | aestil | go now. |
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| 05:03.13 | Erica | My pitbull's chewing on my bugsack.... guess that's better than my leg :/ |
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| 05:03.54 | Ellipsis | Erica: anything more specific to add to that detailed bug report? |
| 05:04.02 | Erica | lol |
| 05:04.18 | Ellipsis | unless it's aura translations |
| 05:04.27 | Ellipsis | in that case, go bug your favorite translator or do it yourself :P |
| 05:04.30 | Erica | Hey Elipsis... just installed Seerah's suitcase and upgraded.... now my bugsack explodes |
| 05:04.52 | Ellipsis | well see I can't help with exploding bugsacks unless I know what's in them :P |
| 05:04.54 | Erica | I get so many errors so fast that the sack fills up and just sits there |
| 05:05.03 | Ellipsis | can you give me an example? |
| 05:05.11 | Erica | the first 4 are pitbull aura errors |
| 05:05.19 | Erica | that's all I can see |
| 05:05.20 | Ellipsis | what. are. the. error. messages. |
| 05:05.35 | Erica | ok sec and I'll try to copy them |
| 05:05.47 | Erica | was having trouble even getting the sack open earlier |
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| 05:08.45 | Erica | 2008/03/01 23:53:22-4-x1]: PitBull_Aura\Core.lua:596: attempt to call a nil value |
| 05:08.58 | Erica | sorry... I'm getting a lot of those on different lines |
| 05:09.51 | Erica | I wasn't getting those on my initial install of Seerahs suitcase but that's a few months old now |
| 05:09.54 | CIA-9 | 03ellipsis * r63361 10PitBull/Aura/Core.lua: PitBull_Aura: fix upgrade code, my bad. |
| 05:09.55 | aestil | Ellipsis: im drinking wine! |
| 05:10.05 | Erica | lol |
| 05:10.08 | Ellipsis | aestil: I think I got that |
| 05:10.11 | RaydenUni | for drid |
| 05:10.13 | Erica | It's all good |
| 05:10.14 | Ellipsis | Erica: that should fix that one, at least |
| 05:10.16 | RaydenUni | 40 AP vs 14 agi and 14 str? |
| 05:10.21 | Ellipsis | the others probably all came from that |
| 05:10.32 | Erica | Kool thanks |
| 05:10.49 | Erica | I'll let you know if it doesn't and I'll have my errors in hand next time |
| 05:11.02 | Silowyi | does anyone know of an addon like swstats unilog? |
| 05:13.32 | aestil | i also took some sort of peerscrpition pain killer, my neck hurts like, reaaalaly bad. |
| 05:13.38 | aestil | but i feel better now. wine is iwn |
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| 05:17.00 | CIA-9 | 03ellipsis * r63362 10PitBull/PitBull_MetaLayout.lua: PitBull_MetaLayout: remove a bunch of old aura stuff that's no longer used. |
| 05:17.13 | aestil | i love you guys. |
| 05:18.07 | Antiarc | Hahah, aestil, dude |
| 05:18.17 | aestil | blippr was down for a while. |
| 05:18.22 | aestil | its back now |
| 05:18.24 | Antiarc | Yeah. I had a borked upgrade |
| 05:18.26 | aestil | so its all good. |
| 05:18.27 | Antiarc | Had to roll back |
| 05:18.30 | RaydenUni | this group is classic |
| 05:18.30 | Antiarc | But it's fixed now |
| 05:18.34 | RaydenUni | warlock used death coil in instance |
| 05:18.37 | RaydenUni | then had pet on taunt |
| 05:18.45 | RaydenUni | warlock has to go repair after 1 death because his armor broke |
| 05:18.49 | aestil | i want to roll with the 'not quite ready for live' versions. |
| 05:20.11 | aestil | i can't wait to get to 100 blips. |
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| 05:30.57 | aestil | Antiarc: heroic? |
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| 05:33.01 | Antiarc | aestil: Which one? |
| 05:33.06 | Antiarc | I could use a break |
| 05:33.10 | aestil | anything but mech. |
| 05:33.12 | aestil | did it already. |
| 05:33.17 | aestil | BM is the daily |
| 05:33.19 | Antiarc | Haha, okay |
| 05:33.21 | aestil | if we can get a tank. |
| 05:33.22 | Antiarc | I'm good for whatever |
| 05:33.33 | Antiarc | Lemme log in. |
| 05:33.44 | Antiarc | You sure you're good? Those pills and wine seem to have hit you a bit :P |
| 05:33.53 | aestil | i am the best shadow priest in the world |
| 05:34.15 | aestil | Its only my gear thats shit. |
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| 05:46.35 | CIA-9 | 03ellipsis * r63363 10PitBull/HealthBar/HealthBar.lua: PitBull_HealthBar: allow users to change alpha with custom colors. |
| 05:52.45 | CIA-9 | 03ellipsis * r63364 10PitBull/Aura/Core.lua: PitBull_Aura: really fix error spam. I swear I know how to code... |
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| 05:54.09 | Aeyan | Ellipsis, I think that's a lie from your mouth. |
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| 05:54.33 | Aeyan | You're trying to sabotage my dreams of 'purps' |
| 05:55.42 | penguin | Hrm, so I am having an interesting problem with my newly installed pitbull, where the aura's are not working, and are throwing.. a lot of errors |
| 05:56.35 | CIA-9 | 03ellipsis * r63365 10PitBull/Aura/Core.lua: PitBull_Aura: no more errors, I mean it this time. |
| 05:57.14 | PHL-Chuck | how long does it usually take for fixes to make it to WAU |
| 05:57.15 | Ellipsis | penguin: update in about 5 minutes and it will go away |
| 05:57.32 | Ellipsis | feel free to punish me however you feel is necessary |
| 05:57.47 | PHL-Chuck | lol |
| 05:58.12 | penguin | Ellipsis: Thanks ><, I was was getting the errors and looked at your change log and noticed like 40min ago "PitBull_Aura: fix upgrade code, my bad." and was like ohh noes |
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| 05:59.13 | Ellipsis | yeah, well, I fail at testing code properly >_< |
| 05:59.55 | Ellipsis | I thought I was testing it, but I forgot to copy the folder back over from my PTR copy /sigh |
| 06:00.20 | penguin | you tryed the new tery relm? |
| 06:00.29 | penguin | I am thinking of trying it out after I finish making my RL friend a UI |
| 06:00.37 | penguin | terny* |
| 06:00.39 | penguin | tery.. lol |
| 06:03.31 | PHL-Chuck | would it be possible to make an addon that managed multiple profiles for addons accross multiple characters? I got 5 70's and my profiles are so scrwed up |
| 06:04.18 | PHL-Chuck | like sometimes acp works per character and other times it seems to turn stuff on/off on others |
| 06:04.23 | Ellipsis | PHL-Chuck: why not just use the default profile then? :P |
| 06:04.32 | PHL-Chuck | I do |
| 06:04.43 | PHL-Chuck | maybe I dont understand.. |
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| 06:04.51 | PHL-Chuck | the base UI is fine |
| 06:05.16 | PHL-Chuck | but things like turning on/off certain addons, autobar, some do what they want |
| 06:05.56 | Ellipsis | do that at the character screen |
| 06:06.07 | PHL-Chuck | I'd like to be able to copy from other characters profiles too |
| 06:06.14 | PHL-Chuck | but it don't let you |
| 06:06.43 | Ellipsis | yes it does |
| 06:08.02 | penguin | you know what I do when i wana play a new char? |
| 06:08.13 | PHL-Chuck | what |
| 06:08.13 | penguin | I copy the WTF folder of my main char, and change all the name stuff over |
| 06:08.19 | penguin | that even works going cross account 0o |
| 06:08.46 | penguin | the only addons it doesn't work on are the super 1337 ones that chose to save stuff in the global account folder >< |
| 06:09.07 | PHL-Chuck | well my problem is I tweak one after others have been tweeked and just would like to copy the profile from the addon I setup to other toons and it dont work for me |
| 06:09.32 | PHL-Chuck | I have too many 70's and too many addons lol |
| 06:10.48 | penguin | YAY |
| 06:10.51 | penguin | aura's working |
| 06:11.04 | penguin | about damn time.. FAIL Ellipsis.. just fail |
| 06:11.05 | penguin | =p |
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| 06:11.44 | penguin | does anyone sometimes hate how you cant move stuff off the screen anymore? |
| 06:12.02 | penguin | like when I wana just move the new option menu outa the way reel quick.. I remember how fun that was |
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| 06:16.42 | chexsum_ | can we symlink ptr/addons to wow/addons in windows vista ? |
| 06:17.22 | theoddone33 | anyone know what server ggilbert played on? |
| 06:20.53 | Antiarc | theoddone33: Cenarion Circle |
| 06:21.14 | theoddone33 | k |
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| 06:36.58 | Nandini | chexsum_: that would not be recommended as Blizzard's addons might experience unusual side effects, not sure how WoW handles things if it finds a newer or older version of its own addons already located there. hopefully it would just delete and replace them with the appropriate version |
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| 06:40.17 | Arrowmaster | bliz addons are in the mpq files, its just pub key files or something in the addons dir |
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| 06:44.18 | Silowyi | does bartender 3 have a problem with paging atm? |
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| 06:50.43 | Nandini | i haven't had a problem with warrior stance paging or druid form paging |
| 06:51.22 | Nandini | once in a while i accidentally use the scroll wheel with the shift key down and that makes them page unintentionally |
| 06:51.44 | Nandini | might also happen if you have buttons bound to shift+number, not sure |
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| 06:55.17 | kenlyric | it also now pages if you're taking control of a pet (mind control) |
| 06:56.34 | Kerafyrm | sooo many ck's.. lol |
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| 07:03.35 | Silowyi | It's paging fine |
| 07:03.39 | Silowyi | but when I click the button |
| 07:03.48 | Silowyi | it still does whatever action is on the first page |
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| 07:12.20 | NeoTron | seemingly randomly it seems like parts of my ace3 config ui (or all of it) becomes inactive. very odd |
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| 07:33.43 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63366 10aX_RaidStatus/ (RaidStatusCore.lua aX_RaidStatus.toc): |
| 07:33.43 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus(0.551 Beta): |
| 07:33.43 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Scaling/Alpha Issues. |
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| 08:02.56 | NeoTron | some progress - http://eongames.com/tmp/magic3.jpg |
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| 08:19.53 | Nandini | holy crap, auctioneer using getall scanned and processed over 10,000 auctions in 24 seconds |
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| 08:20.50 | Ellipsis | get all is back? |
| 08:22.19 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.22 | Wobin | I <3 getall |
| 08:22.29 | Wobin | zat on pt? |
| 08:27.14 | sdouble | getall has been back for awhile |
| 08:31.14 | kenlyric | it never left |
| 08:31.17 | Wobin | I haven't updated in a while |
| 08:31.25 | Wobin | I thought it got turned off due to disconnections |
| 08:31.34 | kenlyric | oh, that getall |
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| 08:31.56 | sdouble | it came back in 2.3.2 |
| 08:32.49 | Wobin | Shows how often -I- update =P |
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| 08:46.10 | theoddone33 | can you not change warrior stance changes with other spell casts in macros? I figured you could since they're not on gcd |
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| 08:47.13 | Shirik | you could, but the server won't have recognized you as having changed stance yet |
| 08:47.23 | Shirik | so it's not going to help you chain anything |
| 08:47.33 | theoddone33 | hm weird |
| 08:47.36 | theoddone33 | I can do it with druid forms |
| 08:47.38 | Shirik | not wierd |
| 08:47.39 | NeoTron | I wonder what the names are for the raid icons |
| 08:47.46 | Shirik | that's because the client was specifically designed to allow it for druid forms |
| 08:47.49 | Shirik | a few patches ago |
| 08:47.57 | theoddone33 | huh |
| 08:48.00 | Shirik | well not to allow that exactly, but to do client-side changing forms |
| 08:48.12 | Shirik | it didn't make sense to do that for stances because there's no intermediate step |
| 08:48.45 | theoddone33 | there's no intermediate step for druids anymore either |
| 08:49.00 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:49.13 | theoddone33 | ? |
| 08:49.21 | Shirik | That's because the client was designed specifically to permit that |
| 08:49.27 | Shirik | there is an intermediate step, you just don't see it |
| 08:49.45 | theoddone33 | ok |
| 08:50.09 | theoddone33 | seems odd that they'd a) make druid forms behave like stances do and then b) give stances worse functionality |
| 08:50.19 | theoddone33 | but logic + blizzard don't go well together |
| 08:50.57 | Shirik | I think you're not giving them credit for something that is rather complicated |
| 08:51.06 | Shirik | would you rather they put druid forms back to the way they were? |
| 08:51.15 | theoddone33 | what? no |
| 08:51.25 | theoddone33 | I'm saying if they can accomplish it for druids they can obviously accomplish it for warriors |
| 08:51.26 | Shirik | They did not give stances anything |
| 08:51.28 | theoddone33 | so why wouldn't they do it? |
| 08:51.44 | CIA-9 | 03cronan * r63367 10Incubator/Locale-koKR.lua: |
| 08:51.44 | CIA-9 | Incubator: |
| 08:51.44 | CIA-9 | - koKR Update |
| 08:51.47 | Shirik | Because the intent was not to make macros work like that, the intent was to make shapeshifting between two forms seamless |
| 08:52.01 | Shirik | a side effect was that since this processing is done entirely client-side now, macros work like that |
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| 08:52.25 | theoddone33 | mmm I read a slouken post that said that was intentional |
| 08:52.26 | Shirik | and there's no valid reason to stop macros from doing that, but there's also probably very little justification to make warrior macros the same too |
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| 08:53.00 | theoddone33 | well it'd be more convenient |
| 08:53.01 | NeoTron | how do you enable getall in auc? |
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| 08:54.16 | NeoTron | ah command line |
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| 08:56.20 | Fisker- | anyone know a good text editor that can load large files? :o |
| 08:56.39 | Zedde | test notepad++ |
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| 08:57.44 | Fisker- | can't load large files |
| 08:57.50 | Zedde | ok |
| 08:58.19 | Zedde | ultraedit ? |
| 08:58.30 | Shirik | notepad loads large files for me |
| 08:58.32 | keiss | dare i suggest vim ? |
| 08:58.36 | Shirik | I have it open a 500MB log file rather frequently |
| 08:58.37 | Zedde | it's not free |
| 08:58.40 | Shirik | and vim too |
| 08:58.44 | Shirik | wtf you mean it's not free |
| 08:59.01 | Zedde | Ultraedit |
| 08:59.03 | Shirik | oh |
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| 08:59.15 | [Ammo] | ultraedit can open large files indeed |
| 08:59.24 | [Ammo] | without delay as well |
| 08:59.31 | [Ammo] | since it reads only parts around where you are vieing |
| 08:59.38 | [Ammo] | but it's not free |
| 09:00.12 | Zedde | pspad ? |
| 09:00.19 | Shirik | vim imo |
| 09:01.57 | theoddone33 | suggestions forum time for me |
| 09:02.03 | theoddone33 | "make warrior stances work like druid forms" |
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| 09:02.43 | Orionshock | don't they allready? |
| 09:02.48 | theoddone33 | no |
| 09:02.53 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.58 | Orionshock | trust me u don't want em to |
| 09:03.09 | theoddone33 | hm? |
| 09:03.41 | Diao | warrior stances are like druid forms with extra debuffs added in |
| 09:03.45 | Arrowmaster | if they did then the auto shifting would work |
| 09:03.50 | Shirik | Let's put it this way |
| 09:03.56 | Shirik | Warrior stances are like a SP3T switch |
| 09:04.04 | Orionshock | druid shapeshift uses a spell gcd |
| 09:04.14 | Orionshock | so no more zerker / zerkerRage macro |
| 09:04.16 | theoddone33 | it does not |
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| 09:04.18 | Diao | uh |
| 09:04.18 | Shirik | Druid forms are like a DP4T switch with an extra NO connection |
| 09:04.22 | Diao | lol |
| 09:04.29 | Diao | warriors stanceswitch does have a gcd |
| 09:04.32 | Orionshock | << druid |
| 09:04.33 | Shirik | There is a case where you "aren't shapeshifted" |
| 09:04.35 | Roartindon | Looking for someone I can bug about AceEvent-3.0 :) |
| 09:04.43 | Shirik | warriors are never "not in a form" |
| 09:04.47 | theoddone33 | stance switch has a cooldown that only affects stance switching (for warriors) |
| 09:05.01 | Diao | yep |
| 09:05.05 | Orionshock | warrior stance shift dosn't use a spell gcd, it uses a stance gcd, not the same |
| 09:05.11 | theoddone33 | Orionshock: you mean that form shifting has a cooldown, but /cancelform does not, right? |
| 09:05.31 | theoddone33 | because I can /cancelform and cast in one press |
| 09:05.34 | Orionshock | going into form = instant cast spell, IE it's a spell gcd |
| 09:05.55 | Orionshock | cancle form is removing a buff, not the same as casting |
| 09:06.00 | theoddone33 | ok |
| 09:06.02 | Diao | who actually uses stanceswitch -> zerk rage macro anyway |
| 09:06.05 | Diao | i manually do it |
| 09:06.16 | theoddone33 | I didn't realize that going INTO a form caused gcd |
| 09:06.23 | theoddone33 | I guess because I'm not a moonkin |
| 09:06.26 | theoddone33 | or tree |
| 09:06.29 | Diao | and actually |
| 09:06.32 | Diao | it causes spell gcd |
| 09:06.34 | Diao | not ability gcd |
| 09:06.43 | Diao | because i can bear->feralcharge instantly |
| 09:06.49 | Diao | by mashing my bear/fc macro |
| 09:06.52 | Diao | on my druid |
| 09:07.01 | theoddone33 | so it only affects caster forms |
| 09:07.02 | Arrowmaster | mashing? but not in a single press? |
| 09:07.21 | Diao | i didn't put a stopcasting in between so i dunno |
| 09:07.25 | Orionshock | no because the rage grant from furor isn't isntant |
| 09:07.37 | theoddone33 | ahh |
| 09:07.49 | Diao | but in either case, i can bear->charge just by hitting the key with no noticeable delay |
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| 09:08.01 | Arrowmaster | ok but what about other druid abilitys |
| 09:08.03 | Diao | same with cat/stealth |
| 09:08.14 | Diao | bear/bash i think is instant too |
| 09:08.15 | Orionshock | ... |
| 09:08.17 | Arrowmaster | can you do cat/stealth in 1 press? |
| 09:08.26 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: not exactly |
| 09:08.36 | Diao | no, it takes a moment to realize that i'm in catform |
| 09:08.56 | theoddone33 | so the only stuff you can do reliably with one press is cancelform? |
| 09:08.58 | Arrowmaster | so it doesnt cause an ability cooldown but you cant use abilitys directly |
| 09:09.02 | Diao | yeah |
| 09:09.05 | Arrowmaster | aka its exactly the same as warriors then right? |
| 09:09.15 | Diao | yeah |
| 09:09.16 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:09.28 | Diao | i use macros to swap form all the time |
| 09:09.32 | Diao | so i never noticed lol |
| 09:09.33 | theoddone33 | because you're actually casting Bear Form again? |
| 09:09.40 | theoddone33 | when you use the stance bar |
| 09:09.47 | Arrowmaster | yup |
| 09:10.47 | theoddone33 | I set up a ton of awesome druid macros |
| 09:10.50 | theoddone33 | the other day |
| 09:11.04 | theoddone33 | so I was trying to one press battle stance -> charge without understanding what was going on |
| 09:11.11 | theoddone33 | getting all pissed off that druids can do something I can't |
| 09:11.15 | Diao | lol |
| 09:11.24 | Diao | yeah |
| 09:11.32 | Diao | tbh i think they need to remove the weapon gcd again |
| 09:11.54 | Diao | the whole having to predict when a spell is incoming and weaponswap, wait 1.5s, then spellreflect |
| 09:11.55 | Diao | is incredibly gay |
| 09:12.31 | theoddone33 | honestly my warrior macros are probably better this way |
| 09:12.39 | [Ammo] | Roartindon: you can bug me |
| 09:16.27 | charon | Diao: that would make idols, librams and totems slightly more powerful than how they seem to want them |
| 09:16.47 | charon | seeing as you could macro /use Idol/Libram/Totem for spell X /cast X |
| 09:16.55 | Diao | isn't there already a libram switcher |
| 09:16.57 | Diao | anyway |
| 09:17.00 | theoddone33 | yeah |
| 09:17.10 | theoddone33 | pretty sure I've read that you can do that with librams, but never tried |
| 09:17.17 | Diao | there's an addon |
| 09:17.20 | Diao | librameister on wowace |
| 09:17.24 | Diao | that swaps your librams for spells lol |
| 09:17.33 | theoddone33 | hm I thought you could just do it |
| 09:17.35 | charon | well, you can, if you plan ahead |
| 09:17.40 | Diao | no like |
| 09:17.44 | Diao | it swaps them while casting |
| 09:17.48 | Diao | so you get the benefit of both librams |
| 09:17.52 | Diao | or something like that.. |
| 09:17.56 | theoddone33 | aha |
| 09:17.59 | theoddone33 | that's awesome |
| 09:18.11 | theoddone33 | holy light +83 libram with 22mp5 on successfull HL cast |
| 09:18.12 | keiss | the thing is if you swap them while casting (start casting) you dont get the GCD |
| 09:18.20 | charon | it has to be like /cast X /use idol for Y <wait for GCD of both actions> /cast Y /use idol for X |
| 09:18.54 | charon | or libram or whatever. either way, you have to know what you're going to cast next |
| 09:19.15 | theoddone33 | I guess it depends on whether they're registered at the start or end of the cast |
| 09:19.23 | Diao | well |
| 09:19.25 | Diao | if it's like most abilities |
| 09:19.29 | Diao | mana cost is calculated at en |
| 09:19.31 | Diao | end* |
| 09:19.38 | Diao | and bonus effects are counted at beginning? |
| 09:19.45 | Diao | or something like that |
| 09:19.48 | theoddone33 | yeah that's how arcane blast works |
| 09:20.10 | theoddone33 | although I'm not sure that's a good comparison |
| 09:20.22 | Diao | i'm pretty sure that's how it works with librams too |
| 09:20.25 | theoddone33 | since it actually has a debuff associated with it |
| 09:20.30 | Diao | someone did a test somewhere |
| 09:20.40 | Diao | which was the whole reasoning behind making the addon, i believe |
| 09:20.57 | theoddone33 | yeah absolutely |
| 09:21.12 | theoddone33 | with the 22mp5 libram it'd be pretty powerful to swap mid-cast |
| 09:21.17 | theoddone33 | like "I expect a nerf" powerful |
| 09:21.20 | Diao | but anyway, since it's already swappable midcast |
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| 09:21.25 | Diao | they should just remove weapon swap gcd! |
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| 09:22.52 | penguin | is there a mod that lets you scale frames such as the Charicter Frame? |
| 09:23.13 | Diao | I'm sure there's a way to do it, since visualthemes can do it |
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| 09:24.23 | penguin | I made my friend a UI with .61UI scale, but some stuff like char thingy is to small for him |
| 09:24.47 | theoddone33 | just tried it |
| 09:24.54 | theoddone33 | libram swapping doesn't appear to trigger gcd |
| 09:25.10 | Th3Unknown | only weapons trigger a cooldown |
| 09:25.42 | theoddone33 | now I just need a libram that makes me immune to fear... |
| 09:25.42 | Th3Unknown | not even offhands trigger them, "Held in Off-hand" items that is |
| 09:25.46 | Diao | :( |
| 09:25.50 | Diao | even shields cause a gcd |
| 09:26.03 | Th3Unknown | yeah, shields do |
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| 09:26.18 | Th3Unknown | well, to make it clearer, non-combat items |
| 09:26.27 | Elsia | mornig |
| 09:26.45 | theoddone33 | too bad I can't /use libram1 /cast spell /use libram2 |
| 09:26.49 | theoddone33 | but that's just getting greedy |
| 09:26.53 | Th3Unknown | lol |
| 09:27.21 | theoddone33 | all my holy light and flash of light ranks are macro'd along with completely different spells |
| 09:27.22 | Th3Unknown | well, one of the two librams you use less often that the other |
| 09:27.28 | theoddone33 | so hmm I'm not sure it'd owrk well |
| 09:27.36 | Th3Unknown | so make the macro something like /use [mod:shift] libram1...etc... |
| 09:27.56 | theoddone33 | well to be honest it doesn't really hurt if the other stuff changes the libram |
| 09:28.06 | Th3Unknown | oh then you're fine |
| 09:28.11 | theoddone33 | the only useful ones I have are +heal to flash and +heal to holy light |
| 09:29.16 | theoddone33 | I wonder if this will cause me additional lag though |
| 09:29.18 | Th3Unknown | so if you do /use libram /cast spell...is that spell affected by the libram? |
| 09:29.24 | Th3Unknown | not really |
| 09:29.26 | Diao | lol |
| 09:29.28 | Th3Unknown | it's all handled by the server |
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| 09:29.43 | Th3Unknown | twenty extra bytes sent shouldn't cause lag at all, imo |
| 09:30.11 | Elsia | <Th3Unknown> so if you do /use libram /cast spell...is that spell affected by the libram? <- yes |
| 09:30.24 | Th3Unknown | thanks Elsia |
| 09:31.18 | Elsia | you can even do /cast spell /use libram for non-instants and the spell will get libram effect when it lands (which is after the libram is equipped) |
| 09:31.20 | theoddone33 | now I just need the one from naxx |
| 09:31.24 | theoddone33 | that reduces the mana cost of cleanse |
| 09:31.36 | theoddone33 | wow that'd be awesome |
| 09:31.50 | theoddone33 | downside to this, it makes the annoying "you switched gear" sound when I cast :P |
| 09:31.59 | Th3Unknown | oh so the final calculations are done when the spell ends? |
| 09:32.07 | Elsia | won't work for instants though, equipping librams triggers GCD, so you have to hit a macro that does /use libram /cast spell twice for it to work |
| 09:32.19 | Diao | pretty sure anything that affects +heal is calculated at start of cast |
| 09:32.26 | theoddone33 | it doesn't trigger gcd, unless that only happens in combat |
| 09:32.28 | Roartindon | [Ammo]: When I call SendMessage("MessageName", parameter) |
| 09:32.29 | theoddone33 | at least I'm not observing it |
| 09:32.33 | Th3Unknown | only in combat, yes |
| 09:32.34 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63368 10StatStain/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:32.34 | CIA-9 | StatStain: |
| 09:32.34 | CIA-9 | - Ace3, some optimization of garbage creation, function replicas for options, and CPU time when refreshing tooltip (no more deformat, simple matches instead). |
| 09:32.34 | CIA-9 | - Might break horrendously for non-enUS clients, let me know.. |
| 09:32.37 | theoddone33 | ah ok |
| 09:32.37 | [Ammo] | Roartindon: yes? |
| 09:32.45 | Roartindon | [Ammo]: I'm sometime receiving MyMessage:Handler(messageName, parameter) |
| 09:32.51 | Roartindon | And sometimes MyMessageHandler(parameter) |
| 09:32.52 | Diao | ooh ace3 upgrade |
| 09:32.58 | [Ammo] | that shouldn't happen |
| 09:33.11 | Roartindon | I've got an ugly ugly hack atm |
| 09:33.24 | Roartindon | that looks like.. if type(messageName) == "table" then parameter = mesageName end |
| 09:33.29 | Roartindon | And that makes everything work |
| 09:33.45 | Roartindon | Which should it be? |
| 09:33.52 | [Ammo] | and you did: self:RegisterMessage("MessageName") ? |
| 09:33.53 | Roartindon | I assume it should be just one parameter? |
| 09:33.56 | Roartindon | yes. |
| 09:34.06 | penguin | Ellipsis, you there? |
| 09:34.09 | [Ammo] | provide steps to reproduce? |
| 09:34.10 | Roartindon | self:RegisterMessage("MessageName", "FunctionName") |
| 09:34.20 | [Ammo] | that works 100% here for me |
| 09:34.40 | Roartindon | Let me try and debug it a moment.... it's puzzling me |
| 09:34.49 | Roartindon | Because it receives one parameter sometimes, two parameters at others |
| 09:34.57 | theoddone33 | stupid combat restrictions |
| 09:35.17 | nymbia | you know you haven't been coding wow addons for a while, when you spend half an hour trying to figure out what's not working when you register a DB before VARIABLES_LOADED. |
| 09:35.30 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 09:37.41 | Elsia | acedb-3 is maybe the biggest change compared to ace2 of all the libs, at least in terms of where you need to place stuff |
| 09:38.36 | Orionshock | Elsia: sorta maybe not really, |
| 09:38.47 | Orionshock | if u didn't know how it worked yes. |
| 09:38.55 | nymbia | it's a different experience, to be sure |
| 09:39.18 | Orionshock | ^^ true that |
| 09:39.25 | Elsia | well the assumption is that anyone who comes to ace3 blanket doesn't know how it works straight away ;) |
| 09:39.27 | nymbia | but i'm liking the design decisions that were made in a seperate direction from ace2 |
| 09:40.03 | nymbia | maybe a little less easy to work on as a beginner, but a little example code is all you need to get past that |
| 09:40.08 | Elsia | the transition is really smooth if you know about acedb, that aceconsole the way it was mostly used moved to aceconfigcmd and how events/timers changes |
| 09:40.37 | nymbia | what'll throw people the most is their expectations of what's in what lib |
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| 09:41.13 | Orionshock | ace2 was the lazy programer's way of doing many simple things, where as ace3, to me atleast, feels like the back hand of "Learn to Program noob" |
| 09:41.13 | Elsia | hmm maybe we could have a forum thread with: this is how I ported things, to people don't have to redo it all |
| 09:42.10 | Elsia | ace3 isn't really hard to use, there just isn't much docu yet, except what's in the zip's docs folder |
| 09:42.11 | nymbia | yeah, be a good starting point |
| 09:42.13 | Orionshock | Elsia: imo, don't port. just start from scratch imo... a lot of times starting new you make it better. |
| 09:42.30 | Elsia | orion: gief time? ;) |
| 09:42.39 | nymbia | well, in some cases |
| 09:42.43 | nymbia | like for instance |
| 09:42.44 | Orionshock | gief? |
| 09:42.54 | Elsia | nau? |
| 09:42.55 | nymbia | manufac, i plan to blow away and build from scratch |
| 09:43.05 | nymbia | but quartz on the other hand is fairly clean already |
| 09:43.42 | Elsia | yeah there really wouldn't be a need to rewrite recount for an ace3 transition, the benefits I can get from ace3 I got by porting basically |
| 09:44.08 | Elsia | or rather if there is a need to rewrite its not that tightly related to ace3 at all |
| 09:44.18 | Elsia | if it could use a redesign then that's that |
| 09:45.08 | theoddone33 | every once in a while I try to clear RFC in one pull |
| 09:45.10 | theoddone33 | couldn't do it :( |
| 09:45.18 | Orionshock | :( |
| 09:45.29 | theoddone33 | clearly it needs a nerf |
| 09:45.35 | Elsia | i own hogger though |
| 09:46.11 | theoddone33 | the biggest problem is the guys that shield slam and stun you |
| 09:46.30 | nevcairiel | just dodge it :D |
| 09:46.50 | theoddone33 | I'd be better off if I had more than 18792 armor I thinK! |
| 09:46.58 | Nandini | hey Elsia, did you see the two new combat log events being added in the next PTR push? |
| 09:47.13 | Nandini | if not, i think you will like them :) |
| 09:47.53 | Diao | theoddone33 |
| 09:47.59 | Diao | once you pull them, make sure you face them |
| 09:48.07 | Diao | you can block/parry/dodge the shield slams |
| 09:48.11 | Diao | that's how i pull it on my pally lol |
| 09:48.22 | Diao | i strafe sideways and jump |
| 09:49.09 | theoddone33 | I just had to do two pulls instead of one |
| 09:49.27 | theoddone33 | get halfway, throw down two consecrations, and watch everything die |
| 09:49.35 | theoddone33 | still fun |
| 09:49.46 | theoddone33 | what I used to do was put ret aura on |
| 09:49.55 | theoddone33 | so half the stuff died before I was done pulling |
| 09:50.34 | theoddone33 | or I could do the same thing by chaining rank 1 consecrate as I run through I guess |
| 09:50.37 | theoddone33 | both cheating |
| 09:51.01 | theoddone33 | but how else am I going to get these quests for thrall done? |
| 09:51.03 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 09:52.07 | Elsia | nandini: yeah saw them yesterday. that |
| 09:52.22 | Elsia | will almost solve the guardian attribution problem |
| 09:52.48 | Elsia | i.e. it'll solve it in most interesting cases |
| 09:53.09 | Elsia | you still need to sync GUIDs after DCs or similar mid-combat joins |
| 09:53.19 | nymbia | ~flee |
| 09:53.20 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 09:53.31 | penguin | is there a way to make PitBull always show your party? |
| 09:53.40 | penguin | I mean, Its easy to disable the raid module |
| 09:53.46 | penguin | but party still disipears |
| 09:54.18 | Elsia | yeah you can do that.. let me check my settings |
| 09:54.54 | penguin | 0o found it |
| 09:55.00 | penguin | that option didn't used to be there |
| 09:55.10 | Elsia | ;) |
| 09:55.24 | Elsia | been around for a least 3-4 months, been using it that long |
| 09:55.30 | penguin | =/ |
| 09:56.03 | penguin | I don't look for options that when I asked the maker about it he says "why on earth would anyone want to do that?" |
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| 09:58.30 | CIA-9 | 03isler * r63369 10AtlasLoot/Core/Atlas1.11Compat.lua: |
| 09:58.30 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot: |
| 09:58.30 | CIA-9 | - Karazhan loottable fix (no more quest needed) |
| 09:59.02 | Orionshock | why remove it? |
| 09:59.16 | Orionshock | the QUEST IS STILL THERE |
| 09:59.39 | Diao | quest? |
| 09:59.55 | Orionshock | prolly the ssc thing off nightbane |
| 10:00.13 | Diao | oh |
| 10:00.22 | Diao | yeah the quest is still there :O |
| 10:00.29 | penguin | yup |
| 10:00.33 | penguin | I did it last week for the 24g |
| 10:00.35 | Wobin | in my heart |
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| 10:00.36 | Wobin | FOREVER |
| 10:01.34 | Fisker- | me? |
| 10:01.48 | Orionshock | isler, the hell did you actualy change in atlasloot?? |
| 10:01.55 | theoddone33 | I feel silly doing triage on my 70 mage |
| 10:01.57 | Orionshock | u removed a pair of "" in a table... |
| 10:02.09 | Orionshock | -.- how the hell this fixes anything... |
| 10:03.16 | theoddone33 | my boss seemed mad at me for noting that I fixed a spelling error in a p4 comment the other day |
| 10:03.28 | theoddone33 | that was my only change to that file though, what could I do? |
| 10:04.04 | Diao | lol |
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| 10:16.26 | vhaarr | So, apparently if you do for i = 1, GetNumRaidMembers() do local n = GetRaidRosterInfo(i); end - 'n' can be nil. |
| 10:17.00 | Zedde | in omen what dose the tps stand for ? |
| 10:17.07 | vhaarr | threat per second |
| 10:17.42 | Zedde | thanks |
| 10:18.07 | Xinhuan | antiarc, ping :) |
| 10:18.31 | Elsia | vhaarr: GetRaidRosterInfo keeps people in place so joining/leaving will create nil splots I thought |
| 10:18.38 | Elsia | ~api GetRaidRosterInfo |
| 10:18.38 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRaidRosterInfo |
| 10:18.53 | Elsia | so you would need to scan 1,40 if that's true |
| 10:19.24 | Elsia | or maybe I misunderstand the api docu |
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| 10:20.22 | vhaarr | "will retain their original ordering", meaning that their index could be shifted but the order would still be the same |
| 10:20.32 | Elsia | well it's not clearly worded tbg |
| 10:20.39 | Elsia | s/tbg/tbh/ |
| 10:20.42 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 10:21.24 | Elsia | is raid5 stable between leave/joins? if yes then that explains it, if no GetRaidRosterInfo should follow that behavior |
| 10:21.37 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63370 10StatStain/StatStain.toc: |
| 10:21.37 | CIA-9 | StatStain: |
| 10:21.37 | CIA-9 | - Smite the -Ace2- from the title, since it's a lie. |
| 10:22.06 | vhaarr | I see the blizzard code does for i = 1, MAX_RAID_MEMBERS do if i < GetNumRaidMembers() then local n = GetRaidRosterInfo(i) end end |
| 10:22.16 | vhaarr | this sucks |
| 10:23.19 | vhaarr | wait |
| 10:23.23 | vhaarr | that's the same thing, isn't it |
| 10:23.25 | Orionshock | ugh, Historian is using a non local'ed _ |
| 10:23.36 | Orionshock | >.> |
| 10:23.36 | Elsia | yeah it's the same thing awkwardly coded |
| 10:23.40 | vhaarr | indeed |
| 10:23.49 | vhaarr | and they don't nil-check the returns |
| 10:24.30 | vhaarr | well they do <= of course, not < |
| 10:24.35 | vhaarr | zzz |
| 10:24.49 | Elsia | if that's the code then nil elements do have to get removed or else that wouldn't work |
| 10:25.07 | Elsia | maybe you get nil for entities not yet fully loaded? |
| 10:25.07 | vhaarr | yeah so the indexes are shifted like I said |
| 10:25.14 | vhaarr | just that the order of members remains the same |
| 10:25.20 | vhaarr | which is not relevant |
| 10:25.35 | vhaarr | point is that GetRaidRosterInfo returns nil for a valid unit |
| 10:25.43 | vhaarr | why does it do that |
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| 10:26.34 | Elsia | well it shouldn't do that unless somehow GetNumRaidMembers() has changed mid-loop :D |
| 10:26.48 | vhaarr | and it can't do that |
| 10:27.33 | Elsia | you know the unit that causes this? just a random raid member? |
| 10:31.09 | CIA-9 | 03borlox * r63371 10/branches/DataBrokerTest/ (14 files in 5 dirs): |
| 10:31.09 | CIA-9 | DataBrokerTest: |
| 10:31.09 | CIA-9 | - a test addon for LibDataBroker-1.0 |
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| 10:34.33 | theoddone33 | just saw a blood elf paladin with a quel'serrar |
| 10:34.42 | theoddone33 | now I kind of want one, despite the fact that it's useless |
| 10:35.12 | theoddone33 | foror's is going for 230 gold |
| 10:35.24 | nevcairiel | people still sell foror? |
| 10:35.30 | theoddone33 | apparently |
| 10:35.43 | nevcairiel | or even more important, people still buy it ? =P |
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| 10:35.52 | theoddone33 | I'd rather have a TF for a vanity weapon |
| 10:35.57 | theoddone33 | but harder to get |
| 10:36.01 | theoddone33 | ashkandi would be ok |
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| 10:37.05 | Gngsk | corrupted ashbringer is the best pally vanity weapon imo |
| 10:37.23 | Gngsk | looks bad ass with full judgement |
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| 10:41.22 | theoddone33 | hard to get |
| 10:41.41 | theoddone33 | then again I bet I'd have trouble getting an ashkandi raid together |
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| 10:42.28 | theoddone33 | I'd love to do naxx though |
| 10:42.55 | nevcairiel | its probably easier to get a Naxx raid then a BWL raid |
| 10:43.17 | theoddone33 | I've never done either instance, so that'd be pretty cool |
| 10:43.30 | theoddone33 | we did a pug aq40 that was made of fail a month or two ago |
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| 10:45.37 | theoddone33 | how does pitbull estimated heals work when I can't see the hp of my target? |
| 10:45.46 | Ellipsis | magic |
| 10:45.55 | theoddone33 | I want to see my target's hp :( |
| 10:46.00 | ckknight__ | theoddone33: either magic or guessing |
| 10:46.16 | theoddone33 | it seems pretty accurate |
| 10:46.21 | theoddone33 | maybe it assumes 10k health or something |
| 10:46.33 | ckknight__ | yea, something along those lines |
| 10:46.50 | ckknight__ | okay, I'm doing DogTag-3.0 now, need advice |
| 10:47.07 | ckknight__ | which makes more sense to specify a specific unit, e.g. in CowTip: [Class#mouseovertarget] or [Class(unit="mouseovertarget")]? |
| 10:47.37 | Diao | 2nd one makes more sense to me |
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| 10:48.42 | Xinhuan | [Class(mouseovertarget)] |
| 10:49.50 | charon | ckknight__: more of an abstract feature request, could you make it so we could actually refer to the unit that the frame is attached to? |
| 10:49.57 | charon | so, suppose i have frames raid1..raidN |
| 10:50.08 | charon | make a way to say "raidJ's target" in those tags |
| 10:50.10 | charon | etc |
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| 10:56.05 | break19 | la dee da |
| 10:56.06 | Orionshock | anyone remember offhand the - delete all grays macro? |
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| 10:57.40 | break19 | meh, brb |
| 10:58.17 | keiss | BlizOptionsGroup in GUI-3.0 is for the 2.4 options ? |
| 10:58.42 | nevcairiel | yes |
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| 11:02.30 | Industrial | woei back from snowboarding |
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| 11:09.09 | break19 | ahh the joys of fatherhood.. I was awakened at 330am by the sounds of screaming baby.. poor thing had a bellache, and nothing we did could get her to stop crying. rocked for about an hour, she let out a couple big farts and finally drifted back to sleep.. |
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| 11:09.38 | charon | Orionshock: 2 seconds of googling turns up http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3909371542&sid=1 ... see third post |
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| 11:12.16 | break19 | SNMP get error: No response from remote host 'break19' |
| 11:15.00 | Orionshock | charon: ... need to delete it ....... |
| 11:15.11 | ramoz | Orionshock: automation |
| 11:15.14 | ramoz | automaton* |
| 11:15.25 | break19 | SNMP get error: No response from remote host '192.168.1.1' |
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| 11:17.25 | break19 | SNMP get error: No response from remote host 'localhost' |
| 11:18.08 | nevcairiel | we get it, your SNMP is broken :P |
| 11:18.25 | break19 | what? meh stupid script |
| 11:18.36 | Thrae | Huh, I didn't know "intelligent" was a German word (no pun intended). |
| 11:18.54 | break19 | i didnt realize it was saying it into the channel. sorry :/ |
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| 11:19.07 | nevcairiel | same word as in english Thrae :p |
| 11:19.15 | Cheads | yeah and many other languages =) |
| 11:19.21 | Xinhuan | guys its honor update |
| 11:19.25 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Well I was translating "smart". |
| 11:19.33 | Ellipsis | uh oh, time to entertain Xinhuan |
| 11:19.37 | Xinhuan | archimonde is stuck lootlag, trying to drain soulshard from the world tree |
| 11:20.03 | break19 | gonna nuke that damn perl script.. brb |
| 11:20.25 | nevcairiel | am i glad that honor update on my realm happens when i sleep :P |
| 11:20.35 | Thrae | Setting up the text for options menus must be the most boring thing in the world. |
| 11:20.36 | Xinhuan | i mean, we only wiped 19% on archi |
| 11:20.38 | nevcairiel | i bet blackrock is looking forward to 2.4 eh? |
| 11:20.41 | Xinhuan | because of honor update |
| 11:21.20 | Xinhuan | for the first time in 12 weeks, Gloves of the Vanquisher dropped ;p |
| 11:21.29 | nevcairiel | we told you so? |
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| 11:21.57 | nevcairiel | the week you spend your dkp, the stuff drops that you originally wanted |
| 11:22.01 | nevcairiel | its ALWAYS that way :p |
| 11:22.18 | Xinhuan | its ok, i have my 4 pc bonus |
| 11:22.32 | Xinhuan | without said gloves :) |
| 11:22.34 | nevcairiel | i hope illidan is in a memento mood today |
| 11:22.45 | Xinhuan | dropped memento for us this week hehe |
| 11:23.19 | nevcairiel | i only need 2 items from BT/MH .. memento and the random drop healer cloak |
| 11:23.42 | Xinhuan | we've only seen that cloak twice |
| 11:23.45 | nevcairiel | altho i might skip the cloak for some sunwell thing |
| 11:23.48 | xyu | i'm down to cloak, and 1 more T6 |
| 11:23.58 | xyu | or the illidari helm |
| 11:24.06 | nevcairiel | and in theory, i might still use the illidan mainhand |
| 11:24.06 | Xinhuan | YAY finally managed to release my corpse |
| 11:24.08 | Xinhuan | after 15 min |
| 11:24.19 | nevcairiel | but i got the vashj mace, so thats not that biggy |
| 11:24.31 | xyu | lol i got banned lame!!~ |
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| 11:24.57 | nevcairiel | for what? |
| 11:24.58 | xyu | a bunch of horde protested our AV queues by standing on alliances portals in shatt so that they coudln't take the portal |
| 11:25.01 | xyu | and Gm's came |
| 11:25.04 | xyu | told us to move |
| 11:25.05 | xyu | we didn't |
| 11:25.13 | xyu | they ported us out of shatt and froze us to the ground |
| 11:25.15 | xyu | now i can't log in |
| 11:25.18 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 11:25.30 | Orionshock | lol |
| 11:25.51 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 11:26.12 | xyu | winterwall firewater + growth + berzker + netherdrake = big tauren |
| 11:26.23 | Orionshock | x10 of you |
| 11:26.25 | Orionshock | ... |
| 11:26.30 | xyu | nah x50 |
| 11:26.42 | xyu | we had like 30 romantic picnics up |
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| 11:28.46 | xyu | apparently alliance are doing some sort of AV boycott. They aren't queueing for it on our server. :/ |
| 11:29.02 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.19 | nevcairiel | you know, AV queues are battlegroup too |
| 11:29.26 | xyu | i meant battlegroup |
| 11:29.28 | xyu | it's bg wide |
| 11:29.38 | Xinhuan | that's fine, nobody cares :) |
| 11:29.43 | xyu | during primetime on a "full" populated server we have 1 or 2 AV games going |
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| 11:30.34 | Xinhuan | AV has never really been balanced |
| 11:30.34 | xyu | yeah i dont like av, doesn't bother me none. worst bg in existance |
| 11:30.34 | Xinhuan | unlike eots/wsg/av |
| 11:30.34 | Xinhuan | i mean ab |
| 11:30.35 | xyu | yeah i'll agree there. farm, bs, Lm is the best 3 cap |
| 11:30.37 | xyu | in the game |
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| 11:39.21 | Xinhuan | [Cataclysm's Edge] drops everyweek |
| 11:39.26 | Xinhuan | 2 prot tanks now have it |
| 11:39.53 | nevcairiel | we never had any one who had real need for that thing |
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| 11:41.16 | break19 | rofl. this "sysinfo" script thinks I have 62x1.42ghz G4s in this ibook.. |
| 11:41.33 | nevcairiel | maybe you do? |
| 11:41.38 | break19 | I wish |
| 11:44.10 | [Liquidor] | Dead Channel zomg |
| 11:44.55 | break19 | zomgnowai |
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| 12:00.58 | syeren | nevcairiel, would you suggest HoTCandy or another addon for the job ;p? |
| 12:01.14 | nevcairiel | what do you guess i answer? :P |
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| 12:07.57 | syeren | Well nevcairiel, HoTCandy seems ratherl arge in file size, and alot of people complaining about lack of options ;D |
| 12:09.04 | Grum | O M G .. 201kb .. W T F |
| 12:09.10 | syeren | ;p |
| 12:09.31 | Grum | its less than 50kb |
| 12:09.33 | Grum | the rest is libs |
| 12:10.03 | syeren | Ah ;p |
| 12:10.15 | Grum | and the code is 12kb O.o OHNOES |
| 12:10.36 | syeren | The libs part explains it ;p |
| 12:10.57 | Grum | and omg it has a 32kb texture! |
| 12:11.39 | Grum | now that one could have been smaller! |
| 12:11.51 | nevcairiel | it includes babble-spell-3.0 |
| 12:11.53 | nevcairiel | that makes it big |
| 12:12.41 | Grum | i made the image 8kb smaller! |
| 12:12.43 | Grum | ;D |
| 12:13.33 | nevcairiel | i added the options i think it needs, feel free to use it or something different :) |
| 12:14.21 | nevcairiel | i wrote it for my personal need |
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| 12:15.13 | Grum | i think that is very selfish nevc! ;D |
| 12:15.43 | nevcairiel | selfish would be advertising ti and posting screenshots and not releasing it |
| 12:15.50 | nevcairiel | i even listend to other peoples requests |
| 12:15.55 | nevcairiel | i just dont do all of them :P |
| 12:15.58 | Grum | haha :D |
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| 12:16.32 | nevcairiel | the new format options for changing the format of the text on the bars where a user request |
| 12:16.40 | nevcairiel | i liked it and use it too now .P |
| 12:17.10 | Grum | only if it serves the greatest good ... you! ;D |
| 12:18.55 | nevcairiel | obviously |
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| 12:19.34 | Thrae | Ahh, there's nothing better then two screen sessions moving hundreds of gigabytes of data around. |
| 12:20.02 | Grum | is there a reason why they are doing that? |
| 12:20.07 | Grum | or you just backup up your pr0n? :D |
| 12:20.19 | Ellipsis | did someone say pr0n? |
| 12:20.23 | Ellipsis | oh hay Grum |
| 12:20.42 | Grum | hai2u2 |
| 12:21.15 | Thrae | Grum: Archiving from Raid -> Non-Raid (old IDE drives), and from Raid10 (download point) -> Raid5 |
| 12:21.23 | CIA-9 | 03elkano * r63372 10/branches/LibDataBroker-1.0/ (10 files in 5 dirs): LibDataBroker-1.0: initial push to SVN |
| 12:21.57 | Grum | Thrae: so pr0n? |
| 12:22.03 | Thrae | Grum: I download about 5GB worth of Anime, TV, Apps, etc. per day, so I need to archive away from even my 1.2TB RAID5 eventually. |
| 12:22.07 | Grum | Elkano: databroker? |
| 12:22.14 | Thrae | No, pr0n takes up 1% of my HDD space ;) |
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| 12:22.28 | CIA-9 | 03elkano 07Elkano * r63373 10LibDataBroker-1.0/LibDataBroker-1.0 tests/ (. LibDataBroker-1.0 tests.lua wow_api.lua): LibDataBroker-1.0 tests: initial push to SVN |
| 12:22.29 | Grum | kek, i used to do that as well |
| 12:22.39 | Grum | well not pr0n but downloading pooploads |
| 12:22.51 | Thrae | The downloading is almost all automatic. |
| 12:22.53 | Grum | even burning it to dvd! |
| 12:23.12 | Grum | yeah i shold make a system for that as well |
| 12:23.13 | Thrae | I'm trying to avoid burning to DVDs, as I still have plenty of IDE HDDs left |
| 12:23.35 | Thrae | But I do have two 16x DVD Burners on my Quad-Core workstation (Vista) |
| 12:23.35 | Grum | i stopped with dvds and got a large raid : |
| 12:23.59 | Thrae | Well, I don't like to just delete stuff -- eventually, even a 1.2TB RAID5 gets used up |
| 12:24.04 | nevcairiel | i have a bunch of old IDE hdds that i dont even connect anymore |
| 12:24.12 | Grum | hehe same nevcairiel :) |
| 12:24.17 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Get a cheap USB enclosure |
| 12:24.20 | Grum | some 30/160/250 |
| 12:24.30 | nevcairiel | i have some USB Adapter without enclosure |
| 12:24.32 | Elkano | Grum, see discussion in here: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10839.0 |
| 12:24.33 | Grum | i still have plenty of free space atm |
| 12:24.34 | nevcairiel | works too |
| 12:24.48 | nevcairiel | i need to upgrade my raid5 to newer discs |
| 12:24.50 | sb | whats databroker Elkano? :P |
| 12:24.54 | Grum | aaah |
| 12:24.57 | Thrae | nevcairiel: |
| 12:25.02 | Grum | its the libfubar-generic data storage backend |
| 12:25.03 | Thrae | nevcairiel: "Newer discs"? |
| 12:25.12 | nevcairiel | bigger discs :P |
| 12:25.16 | Grum | or .. the 'do you want data for addons'-generic-data-storage-backend :D |
| 12:25.21 | nevcairiel | its only 4x250gb |
| 12:25.31 | nevcairiel | er |
| 12:25.34 | nevcairiel | 4x200 even |
| 12:25.34 | Grum | oh that is easily to upgrade |
| 12:25.37 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Your controller doesn't support OCE? |
| 12:25.56 | nevcairiel | o-what now? |
| 12:26.04 | Grum | Online Capacity Expanstion |
| 12:26.05 | Grum | -t |
| 12:26.09 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Online Capacity Expansion |
| 12:26.13 | sb | [13:22:15] <Thrae> No, pr0n takes up 1% of my HDD space ;) <-- so you have like 100*1TB hdd? :p |
| 12:26.39 | Grum | i'll have a problem upgrading :( |
| 12:26.41 | nevcairiel | i dont have money anyway to replace all discs |
| 12:27.03 | Grum | nevcairiel: 320 euro orso for +60% space.. prolly not worth it |
| 12:27.04 | nevcairiel | i want to get one 250gb with perpendicular recording as system disc, and a 1TB disc for storage or so |
| 12:27.20 | Thrae | nevcairiel: What are you using for your raid controller? |
| 12:27.22 | nevcairiel | just to speed up loadtimes |
| 12:27.50 | Grum | 8port controllers are waaay to expensive ;( |
| 12:28.29 | nevcairiel | a 4 port 3ware controller |
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| 12:29.43 | Grum | nevcairiel: that should have OCE |
| 12:29.50 | nevcairiel | yeah probably |
| 12:30.10 | Grum | i wonder, if you rebuild 4 times while before each rebuild putting in a 750g disk instead of a 200 |
| 12:30.20 | Grum | would you be able to stretch the volume up after you are done? |
| 12:30.30 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 12:30.31 | Grum | or will it still just have that stupid 3x200 space? |
| 12:30.31 | ag` | buy an ssd and put wow on it, and buy another ssd and put your swap file on it |
| 12:30.47 | Grum | Arrowmaster: guess i found my way to upgrade then |
| 12:30.57 | Grum | the only other way is getting an additional array that is bigger O.o |
| 12:31.27 | Grum | and unless they start making 3.5tb disks .. its not going to be easy :D |
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| 12:31.34 | Arrowmaster | i want to build a file server but its so damn hard to find good cheap sata controllers |
| 12:31.38 | Grum | that joke would take me 8x12hrs of rebuilding O.o |
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| 12:31.52 | Grum | Arrowmaster: Highpoint is 'okish' |
| 12:31.55 | Grum | and cheapish |
| 12:31.57 | nevcairiel | Anyway, my current plan is to get a fast 250gb driver for system disc, one 1TB drive for storage, and convert my raid 5 to 10 for speed ups and data safety, screw the capacity loss of 200gb |
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| 12:32.15 | Arrowmaster | i just want sata ports, i dont care about raid since im going to use software raid anyway |
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| 12:32.56 | Arrowmaster | raid 5 to 10 and only lose 200gb? |
| 12:33.00 | Grum | nevcairiel: i find having one big drive still kinda scary |
| 12:33.01 | Arrowmaster | how small is your array? |
| 12:33.05 | Grum | Arrowmaster: 4 disks |
| 12:33.10 | Grum | so 3x200->2x200 |
| 12:33.30 | Grum | i'll prolly always end up having at least a raid5 |
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| 12:33.44 | Arrowmaster | i wanted to build a 7 drive raid6 |
| 12:33.53 | Arrowmaster | with an 8th hotspare |
| 12:33.56 | Grum | raid6 controllers are auch |
| 12:34.02 | nevcairiel | i'm not sure how effective 6 is |
| 12:34.04 | Grum | and tbh i cant stand loosing 3 disks |
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| 12:34.16 | Grum | nevcairiel: its raid5 with 2 disks lost O.o |
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| 12:34.17 | Arrowmaster | like i said, not planing to use hardware raid |
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| 12:34.21 | Arrowmaster | doing it with software |
| 12:34.31 | nevcairiel | i hope your cpu is powerful then :p |
| 12:34.33 | Grum | Arrowmaster: which software? |
| 12:34.39 | Grum | yeah itsgoing to be cpu-rapey |
| 12:34.40 | Arrowmaster | Grum: linux |
| 12:35.27 | Grum | i still dont like windows it incapacity to even have >2tb disks that are compatible with any other OS |
| 12:35.36 | Kalroth | Why on earth raid6? it's utterly redundant unless you're hosting your banks servers. |
| 12:35.37 | Grum | s/it/its |
| 12:35.50 | Grum | yeah and kek, raid6 with a spare |
| 12:35.54 | Grum | that is 3 disks lost :) |
| 12:35.59 | Arrowmaster | because i hate lossing data |
| 12:36.02 | Arrowmaster | diskcapacity[C:\ (17.68GB Free, 149.04GB Total), F:\ (20.83GB Free, 232.88GB Total), G:\ (7.42GB Free, 232.88GB Total), K:\ (37.51GB Free, 465.76GB Total), L:\ (21.94GB Free, 465.76GB Total), Total (105.38GB Free, 1.51TB Total)] |
| 12:36.10 | Arrowmaster | and ive got 1TB of dead disks |
| 12:36.25 | Grum | i got 500gb in front of me now |
| 12:36.33 | Grum | kek ... happy it was in a raid5 :) |
| 12:36.43 | Grum | piece of crap disk |
| 12:36.46 | Grum | only 5 months old |
| 12:36.49 | Kalroth | Maybe you should look at how you host the drives instead of going dual parity |
| 12:36.59 | Grum | Kalroth: tbh raid6 is intresting |
| 12:37.09 | Grum | but having one more spare is just overkill |
| 12:37.24 | Grum | atm my 'spare' is me racing to the closest shop and just getting a disk :p |
| 12:37.27 | Grum | which i did =D |
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| 12:37.39 | Arrowmaster | with a large enough array, when a drive fails you put enough stress on the rest of the drives while rebuilding that you are likely to cause another failure |
| 12:37.53 | Grum | errr |
| 12:37.57 | Arrowmaster | meaning if another fails before your raid5 is done rebuilding you are fucked |
| 12:37.58 | Grum | rebuilding takes long for a reason |
| 12:38.01 | Grum | its not raping those disks |
| 12:38.27 | nevcairiel | if a rebuild would cause so much stress on the disks that others fail, the design is really bad |
| 12:38.27 | Grum | seriously, it took 9 hours to rebuild one 500gb disk missing |
| 12:38.32 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: Well if you're that worried, then you might want to buy some better disks |
| 12:38.45 | Grum | Kalroth: there is no such thing as bad disks |
| 12:39.03 | Grum | only working and notworking disks :) |
| 12:39.25 | Kalroth | We use raid5 at work, we've lost 1 HDD in 3 years. I don't run raid at home and in 8 years I've lost 1 HDD, which was due to me crashing the computer while giving it a new firmware :) |
| 12:39.38 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 12:39.43 | nevcairiel | i've never lost a hdd either |
| 12:39.46 | Grum | i had: 2x hitachi, 2xsamsung, 2xwestern digital, 2xseageate ... |
| 12:39.53 | Kalroth | Now if you managed to ruin 5 disks in the timeframe it takes raid5 to replicate, then I'd REALLY look at your hosting environment. |
| 12:40.00 | Grum | and one seagate died .. that is so not what 'should have died' if you look at the brands |
| 12:40.11 | ag` | I had a deathstar die on me! |
| 12:40.40 | ag` | and I dropped a powerbook on the ground once, a few weeks later the hdd died |
| 12:40.47 | Grum | kek |
| 12:40.58 | Grum | so the head of the drive took a nosedive in the platter? ;D |
| 12:40.58 | Arrowmaster | part of the way harddrives work is that bad sectors are only discovered when reading or writing to them so during a raid rebuild where every single sector gets read it can cause more bad sectors to be found and once theres enough the drive is declaired dead |
| 12:41.25 | ag` | don't know, if wasn't on when I dropped it so it's wierd |
| 12:41.30 | chexsum_ | junction WoWTest\Interface\AddOns Interface\AddOns FTW |
| 12:41.43 | Grum | Arrowmaster: the only thing you can do to minimize the risk is actually getting 8 different disks |
| 12:41.50 | Grum | none out of the same batch |
| 12:42.13 | Arrowmaster | if the drive doesnt have power then the arm should be locked in place so no risk of the head touching the platters |
| 12:42.14 | Grum | i did 4x2 (or actually 4x4 and someone else took half of the disks) |
| 12:42.35 | Grum | 8x2 would have been too expensive |
| 12:42.47 | Grum | but more ideal |
| 12:42.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah 4 drives from 2 different batches i think and now all 4 are dead |
| 12:43.05 | Grum | well i guess you have a bad aura |
| 12:43.09 | Grum | you cause bitrot |
| 12:43.15 | Arrowmaster | this was pata not sata though |
| 12:43.28 | Arrowmaster | had them attached as master/slave |
| 12:43.41 | Arrowmaster | one channel went down at a time |
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| 12:43.52 | Arrowmaster | which is to be expected almost with pata |
| 12:44.04 | Grum | one downside of a 8disk array is that it takes shitload of power :P |
| 12:44.11 | Grum | you shold not forget to buy a proper powersupply ;D |
| 12:44.36 | Arrowmaster | if i ever build that file server i was planing to build a beefy ass system |
| 12:44.57 | Arrowmaster | including tons of ram |
| 12:45.39 | Grum | tbh best is just to have a NAS and a sweeeeetass pc |
| 12:46.03 | Arrowmaster | NAS are too damn small |
| 12:47.04 | Grum | humz on my previous job we had a 120tb NAS .. so err they can be large if you please :D |
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| 12:47.28 | nevcairiel | large and expensive :) |
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| 12:47.30 | Arrowmaster | all the 'home/smalloffice' NAS are fucking tiny |
| 12:47.48 | sb | mh, 1-4TB, right? |
| 12:47.48 | Grum | you can just make one yourself |
| 12:47.56 | nevcairiel | there is this SATA NAS from Promise, you can attach 15 SATA discs into it and run it as any raid you want |
| 12:47.57 | Arrowmaster | and anything that costs over $1000 before harddrives is too damn much |
| 12:48.01 | sb | there are a lot of NAS solutions with space for 4 hdd |
| 12:48.04 | sb | so put 4*1 tb in |
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| 12:48.16 | Grum | that is 3tb of space |
| 12:48.18 | Grum | not too bad |
| 12:48.19 | sb | yup |
| 12:48.23 | Arrowmaster | diskcapacity[C:\ (17.68GB Free, 149.04GB Total), F:\ (20.83GB Free, 232.88GB Total), G:\ (7.42GB Free, 232.88GB Total), K:\ (37.51GB Free, 465.76GB Total), L:\ (21.94GB Free, 465.76GB Total), Total (105.38GB Free, 1.51TB Total)] |
| 12:48.28 | sb | and 4*1 tb is not that expensive |
| 12:48.29 | Arrowmaster | i would have that full in notime |
| 12:48.40 | nevcairiel | thats double what you have total now |
| 12:48.43 | sb | stop d/l-ing pr0n :/ |
| 12:48.52 | Arrowmaster | most of thats not porn |
| 12:48.58 | nevcairiel | hah "most" :P |
| 12:49.15 | Arrowmaster | lua_bot: is entirely anime |
| 12:49.21 | Arrowmaster | bah |
| 12:49.27 | Arrowmaster | L: |
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| 12:49.33 | Arrowmaster | damn autocomplete |
| 12:51.10 | Grum | i also thought i'd fill my disks up really fast |
| 12:51.23 | Grum | still 70% free space of the 3.5tib |
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| 12:53.16 | Grum | bah still need to fine someone to chip my wii |
| 12:54.14 | Ozguli | console to set max camera distance, anyone? |
| 12:54.55 | Grum | cameraDistanceMaxFactor thingie |
| 12:55.10 | Grum | /run SetCVAR("cameraDistanceMaxFactor", 3.5) orso? |
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| 13:03.01 | Ozguli | /console cameraDistanceMaxFactor nnn |
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| 13:13.41 | elusif | would you consider linking 9 epics in trade or 3 lines in trade with an interval no fewer than 5 minutes as spam? |
| 13:14.04 | Xinhuan | depends on context |
| 13:14.11 | elusif | well they're for sale |
| 13:14.19 | elusif | i see enchanters and other people use 3 lines all the time |
| 13:14.25 | Xinhuan | sounds fine |
| 13:14.33 | elusif | but i get alot of people crying when i link |
| 13:14.46 | Xinhuan | purple links tend to make people cry |
| 13:14.48 | elusif | i have a theory that most of them are people who i wouldn't drop my price for |
| 13:14.52 | Xinhuan | over yellow ones |
| 13:14.54 | elusif | or their alts etc |
| 13:14.56 | elusif | why? |
| 13:15.05 | elusif | i mean it is the trade channel |
| 13:15.12 | Xinhuan | its just a trend |
| 13:15.19 | Xinhuan | call it color-ism :D |
| 13:15.25 | elusif | :DE |
| 13:15.39 | elusif | lol i get people whispering me abuse etc |
| 13:15.44 | elusif | and calling me a scammer in trade |
| 13:15.52 | elusif | (i use the auctioneer mod ALOT) |
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| 13:27.53 | CIA-9 | 03borlox * r63375 10/branches/DataBrokerTest/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 13:27.53 | CIA-9 | DataBrokerTest: |
| 13:27.53 | CIA-9 | - added LibDataBroker-1.0 to externals and removed static copy |
| 13:27.53 | CIA-9 | - updated Core: better attribute handling, DB, new callback names |
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| 13:31.22 | charon | elusif: frankly, i'd consider the 3 lines of _yellow_ links spam, since they could just as well be summed up in a single line of text, enchants are extremely well known |
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| 13:33.12 | CIA-9 | 03borlox * r63376 10/branches/DataBrokerTest/Core.lua: |
| 13:33.12 | CIA-9 | DataBrokerTest: |
| 13:33.12 | CIA-9 | - fixed type (borker -> broker) |
| 13:33.19 | nevcairiel | haha borker |
| 13:33.19 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:33.42 | SunTsu | This is classic |
| 13:33.58 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 13:34.03 | Xinhuan | just killed hydross |
| 13:34.07 | Xinhuan | one of the transitions failed |
| 13:34.12 | Xinhuan | and we generated like 12 adds |
| 13:34.22 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:34.23 | Xinhuan | and we aoed them all down with no deaths >.< |
| 13:34.37 | nevcairiel | hydross sucks these days |
| 13:34.50 | Kalroth | it was probably poison phase, Xin :) |
| 13:34.54 | Kalroth | So you could frostnova them |
| 13:35.04 | Xinhuan | no novas were used actually |
| 13:35.08 | vhaarr | 12 adds = 3 transitions Kalroth |
| 13:35.09 | nevcairiel | 12 adds would imply at least 4 frost |
| 13:35.15 | vhaarr | so what nev said |
| 13:35.31 | Kalroth | Sure, but 4 frost, 8 poison is better than 4 poison, 8 frost |
| 13:35.37 | Kalroth | when it comes to frostnova :) |
| 13:36.36 | Kalroth | Anyways, it's the Hyjal experience! I love being dps warrior in Hyjal, spending 80% of my time taunting mobs of warlocks, mages and hunters |
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| 13:39.59 | WyriHaximus | whaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 13:46.24 | keiss | any AceGUI-3.0 expert around ? |
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| 13:47.30 | Kulaar | is there any non-fubar-addon which displays the memory usage of each addon? |
| 13:48.36 | Arrowmaster | optionhouse |
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| 14:09.30 | CIA-9 | PitBull |
| 14:09.30 | CIA-9 | - all zhCN locale check and update |
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| 14:13.05 | hani | any pitbull devs around? |
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| 14:14.31 | Grum | ckknight might be here |
| 14:14.34 | Grum | just ask question :D |
| 14:15.07 | hani | I'm still getting the problem shown int his post: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=8435.msg178473#msg178473 |
| 14:15.15 | hani | and running out of things to try to fix it |
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| 14:15.31 | hani | tried clean pitbull, cleared savedvariables, tried running with pitbull as the only mod installed |
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| 14:17.12 | Poul|Raider | Anyone worked with subsonic here? |
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| 14:19.56 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 14:21.31 | Poul|Raider | Any of you guys by chance worked with subsonic? |
| 14:22.14 | Poul|Raider | wasent the intention of asking the same 2times, wronge channel :D |
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| 14:25.35 | Elsia | heya |
| 14:26.49 | Kulaar | if I set Assessment "Attack Data" to "Gather Group only" does it track attacks of mobs? |
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| 14:46.17 | break19 | zzz |
| 14:47.38 | mjc | haha |
| 14:47.45 | break19 | ? |
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| 14:51.48 | break19 | meh. |
| 14:51.58 | break19 | I need breakfast. |
| 14:52.31 | break19 | FecalFunPack: go downstairs and tell your mom to bring me up some fuckin eggs already. |
| 14:52.59 | break19 | .. fine.. i'll tell the bitch myself. |
| 14:53.22 | [dRaCo] | ? |
| 14:53.24 | [dRaCo] | l2cook? |
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| 14:55.13 | Amadeo | wow! ace! |
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| 14:57.10 | dylanm | Go team. |
| 14:59.27 | Xinhuan | Antiarc, ping! |
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| 15:01.28 | Amadeo | Neat little article on colorblind gaming - http://www.destructoid.com/ramblings-of-a-colorblind-gamer-72229.phtml |
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| 15:16.37 | CIA-9 | 03werehamster * r63382 10IFrameManager/IFrameManager.lua: IFrameManager: Initialize frame positions at PLAYER_LOGIN instead of VARIABLES_LOADED |
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| 15:22.03 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 15:22.14 | Ellipsis | well that's not something that happens every day |
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| 15:24.20 | Xinhuan | ... |
| 15:24.21 | Xinhuan | this bird at the start of the instance in sethikk charged me |
| 15:24.25 | Xinhuan | i got knockback |
| 15:24.29 | Xinhuan | past the zoneline |
| 15:24.31 | Xinhuan | and zoned out |
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| 15:24.45 | Hobby-home | that's normal =P |
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| 15:25.34 | Grum | one of the most famous ways to die |
| 15:26.05 | Amadeo | A bird once charged me while I was driving to work |
| 15:26.08 | Grum | 'OMG HEAL' .. 10 seconds later, 'I got ported out', 20 seconds later, 'I AM IN! ... why are you all dead?' |
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| 15:27.12 | CIA-9 | 03tawerner * r63383 10XPBarNone/ (Core.lua XPBarNoneLocale-enUS.lua XPBarNoneLocale-koKR.lua): |
| 15:27.12 | CIA-9 | XPBarNone: |
| 15:27.12 | CIA-9 | - Add option the initially show Rep or XP bar, based on player max level. This option is for those, that use the same profile for multiple characters (the default). |
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| 15:30.23 | Erica | I think I'm getting some kind of debug code appearing in the chat channel when I use nshakedown... msgs like k = groupskills v = table: 136A4C20 |
| 15:30.25 | Erica | k = defaultgroup v = table: 136A4BD0 |
| 15:31.53 | CIA-9 | 03pettigrow * r63384 10Chinchilla/locale/frFR.lua: Chinchilla: frFR Update |
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| 15:32.18 | Grum | Erica: might be from an addon that it fiddles with? |
| 15:32.42 | Erica | Hmmm maybe sorren timers since it was just added |
| 15:33.32 | Erica | I'll play around with the individual addons some and see if I can find it |
| 15:34.32 | CIA-9 | 03merl * r63385 10/branches/mHud/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:34.32 | CIA-9 | mHud: |
| 15:34.32 | CIA-9 | Added: AceDBOptions-3.0 |
| 15:34.32 | CIA-9 | Fix: No longer overwriting profiles when logging into alts |
| 15:34.46 | Erica | Thanks Grum |
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| 15:39.39 | Erica | Grum... you were right about the nshakedown msg as it was coming from Sorrens Timers |
| 15:40.47 | Erica | I'll probably just go back to chronometer so I don't get reported for spam while working on ui's |
| 15:42.24 | keiss | Erica: those messages are probably just local to your chatframe |
| 15:42.39 | Thrae | WoWLuaircBot new feature: !ico and !icof (item compare modules). Type in !help ico and !help icof for more information. Play with it in #WowLuaircBot or via messages. |
| 15:42.39 | WoWLuaircBot | !ico <item name or id>,<item name or id> -- Compares the basic stats of two items. |
| 15:43.31 | Erica | Keiss I sure hope so... thanks |
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| 16:05.34 | Kulaar | !ico Rejuvenating Gem, Memento of Tyrande |
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| 16:11.20 | charon | so i specced into stun resist and have the 5% stun resist gem... what are resisted stuns reported as? resist? dodge? miss? |
| 16:11.32 | charon | if it's resist, they're awfully rare |
| 16:11.37 | FecalFunPack | resist |
| 16:11.38 | charon | at least i haven't seen any yet |
| 16:11.43 | charon | damn. |
| 16:11.47 | FecalFunPack | but |
| 16:12.03 | FecalFunPack | other things can happen, too |
| 16:12.20 | FecalFunPack | you can dodge/parry cheap shot/kidney shot/concussive blow, etc |
| 16:12.32 | FecalFunPack | and they can also miss |
| 16:12.56 | FecalFunPack | i wonder if stun resists are on a second table |
| 16:13.04 | FecalFunPack | if it's just another spot |
| 16:13.43 | [dRaCo] | If you see a rogue missing a ks/cs, feel free to laugh at him |
| 16:14.28 | charon | hmm |
| 16:14.36 | charon | if it was another spot on the table, that would be awesome |
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| 16:14.49 | charon | 50%-ish dodge + 15% spec + 5% meta |
| 16:14.57 | charon | not much of a chance of eating stuns any more |
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| 16:21.11 | CIA-9 | 03endeavour * r63386 10BossTalk/ (BossTalk.lua BossTalk.toc BossTalk_tables.lua): |
| 16:21.11 | CIA-9 | BossTalk: |
| 16:21.11 | CIA-9 | - new option: blacklists |
| 16:21.11 | CIA-9 | - new yells (now 835 in database) |
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| 16:36.06 | CIA-9 | 03stan * r63387 10LibBabble-Spell-3.0/deDE.lua: |
| 16:36.06 | CIA-9 | LibBabble-Spell-3.0 |
| 16:36.06 | CIA-9 | - deDE Update for Illidan spells. |
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| 16:47.15 | wereHamster | what's the name of the minimap frame? |
| 16:48.25 | Xinhuan | Minimap |
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| 16:49.24 | wereHamster | and the whole block in the top right corner? |
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| 16:49.57 | nevcairiel | MinimapCluster |
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| 17:00.00 | frop | hello |
| 17:00.26 | frop | there's a wowace addon displaying remaining time on "traps"? |
| 17:01.03 | frop | like frost trap...when you put it down, it lasts 60seconds if not triggered... |
| 17:01.21 | frop | ...i'd like to have a "buff bar" for this? |
| 17:02.04 | frop | ...ehm, s/\?// |
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| 17:07.23 | Matrix110 | frop |
| 17:07.27 | Matrix110 | are you using Quartz? |
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| 17:07.32 | frop | yep |
| 17:07.34 | Matrix110 | because then you could simply make your own bar |
| 17:07.55 | frop | mmm, attached to "self" casting bar? |
| 17:07.55 | Matrix110 | it doesnt get removed if trigger though |
| 17:08.03 | frop | eheh |
| 17:08.17 | Elsia | try khuntertimers? |
| 17:08.25 | Matrix110 | or such a addon:P |
| 17:08.28 | frop | Elsia yep...that's the one i'm using |
| 17:08.37 | break19 | and is it not working? |
| 17:08.41 | frop | but...well, it's weird :( |
| 17:08.45 | frop | yep it is |
| 17:08.51 | break19 | then whats the problem? |
| 17:09.06 | Elsia | it's one of the better ones I know, I'd stick with it, or rather my hunter is sticking with it |
| 17:09.16 | frop | cause would be nice having such a feature in...elkBuffbars...or quartz :( |
| 17:09.48 | break19 | its too class-specific, would mean a waste of code for non-hunters. |
| 17:09.50 | frop | kht appears just weird...and it don't fit in my ui :D |
| 17:09.57 | Elsia | if you want a general purpose one you can try sorren's timers, but I went back to kht after a short while |
| 17:10.10 | Matrix110 | Fin let them get banned from the SVN! |
| 17:10.23 | frop | break19 indeed...but arent' these ace's mods supposed to be "modular"? :) |
| 17:10.42 | Matrix110 | no they arent supposed to be |
| 17:10.55 | frop | damn... |
| 17:11.06 | Matrix110 | its just a often used way to make addons more lightweight |
| 17:11.33 | frop | and that's why they rock...tbh |
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| 17:12.51 | Matrix110 | it would be much better if Blizzard would change the LoD System a bit to remove cluttering from the addon folder but well :D |
| 17:13.43 | wereHamster | Matrix110, care to explain what changes you have in mind? |
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| 17:14.58 | Matrix110 | well iam not really into LoD but something like allow dynamic loading of files in the same folder via toc would already be nice:P |
| 17:15.46 | Matrix110 | so you can define groups that can be LoDed |
| 17:15.52 | wereHamster | yeah, locale and class specific files would be nice |
| 17:16.41 | frop | ...very |
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| 17:16.49 | frop | so i could remove kht :) |
| 17:17.03 | Matrix110 | you can already do most of those things but having ~30folders per addon is quite annoying tbh :P |
| 17:17.32 | Matrix110 | doesnt matter that much though |
| 17:18.51 | Cryect | modules for addons in the addon folder would be nice |
| 17:19.54 | frop | 403 folders for me :( |
| 17:22.33 | syeren | ckknight_? |
| 17:23.02 | syeren | Ellipsis managed to break Pitbull again. |
| 17:23.30 | Stanzilla | what's broken? |
| 17:25.59 | syeren | Debuff filtering only works on Priests. |
| 17:26.02 | syeren | Not any other class -_- |
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| 17:28.05 | syeren | ckknight, are you around, or is your Ellipsis? |
| 17:28.33 | ckknight | I am |
| 17:28.56 | syeren | Could you look into something for me, Ellipsis updated Pitbull last night and I ran into a bug :( |
| 17:29.22 | syeren | I'll provide a screenshot in a minute :p |
| 17:29.37 | syeren | http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7838/wowscrnshot030208172149fs3.jpg |
| 17:30.00 | syeren | I have debuff Filtering on, however it's only applying my filters to other priests when it comes to displaying them >_< |
| 17:30.36 | syeren | As you can see, Dantius has a Shield, where as Foremanator has a Shield too, but it doesn't show Foremanator's Shield Icon >_< |
| 17:30.47 | syeren | It only does shows the stuff I told it to show on other Priests :( |
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| 17:40.40 | CIA-9 | 03werehamster * r63388 10IFrameManager/IFrameManager.lua: IFrameManager: Royale With Cheese |
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| 17:46.58 | Pkekyo| | blarblar |
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| 17:51.48 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r63389 10Recount2/GUI_List.lua: |
| 17:51.48 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 17:51.48 | CIA-9 | -Simple change to click rows on a list frame so it now groups on the data within a group multiple times. Groups on Who, Ability, and then Hit Type. |
| 17:53.43 | Vangual | !seen alar |
| 17:54.22 | Stanzilla | nil |
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| 17:55.02 | Xinhuan | ~api GetItemInfo |
| 17:55.03 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
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| 18:07.17 | chiper | does Cartographer_Data include gas? |
| 18:07.31 | Xinhuan | no |
| 18:07.45 | chiper | figures |
| 18:08.41 | chiper | I have no clue where to look for these clouds. I've been wandering nagrand for half an hour and found 3 |
| 18:09.32 | break19 | chiper: thats pretty accurate.. besides they move around a bit. |
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| 18:18.49 | ramoz | chiper: try flying on the "flying" rocks and you'll fine somde |
| 18:19.00 | chiper | k, thanks |
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| 18:21.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh` could you add a flash from flash'n'shake for the people that are targeted by Thaladred to the Kael'thas module please? |
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| 18:21.56 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, it does |
| 18:21.59 | Funkeh` | I think |
| 18:22.45 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, gaze right? |
| 18:23.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: yupp |
| 18:23.08 | sag_ich_nicht | not getting a flash |
| 18:23.09 | Funkeh` | yeah it does |
| 18:23.24 | sag_ich_nicht | are you sure? because i'm not getting one D: |
| 18:23.31 | Funkeh` | only flashes if you're the person being targeted |
| 18:23.41 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah i know, i was |
| 18:23.48 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, yes, self:Message(L["gaze_you"], "Personal", true, "Alarm") |
| 18:23.59 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe it's flashing only for a moment? |
| 18:24.02 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm... weird |
| 18:24.03 | Thrae | !c us maelstrom thrae |
| 18:24.08 | Thrae | Hmmm |
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| 18:24.56 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, does it say gaze on YO or gaze ob yourname |
| 18:25.01 | Funkeh` | YOU* |
| 18:25.44 | ZealotOnAStick | nymbia around? |
| 18:25.58 | sag_ich_nicht | oooooh wait a moment |
| 18:26.03 | sag_ich_nicht | gah |
| 18:26.08 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll punish who ever in our raid |
| 18:26.19 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: sup |
| 18:26.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh` yeah that was the problem nevermind i'm stupid(and our RL is even more stupid) |
| 18:26.40 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, hat was the problme? :D |
| 18:26.43 | ZealotOnAStick | not sure if you know yet or not, as this IRC client bites . . . |
| 18:26.47 | Funkeh` | what* |
| 18:26.57 | ZealotOnAStick | but Statstain doesn't appear to have proper dep/external set for Ace-Locale3 |
| 18:27.26 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: moron raidleader and me being a moron and following what he said |
| 18:28.12 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: second line in the externals, last line in embeds.xml |
| 18:28.22 | sag_ich_nicht | i had disabled my own warning because they are too retarded to decided either if they want to use DBM or BigWigs |
| 18:28.23 | sag_ich_nicht | -.- |
| 18:28.40 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 18:29.06 | ZealotOnAStick | Ace2\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:49: in function `LibStub' |
| 18:29.06 | ZealotOnAStick | StatStain\StatStain.lua:19: in main chunk |
| 18:29.10 | ZealotOnAStick | bah |
| 18:29.14 | ZealotOnAStick | that didn't work as intended. |
| 18:29.30 | ZealotOnAStick | I hate this, I want my other machine working so I can get VIRC up again. |
| 18:29.38 | Funkeh` | nymbia, YOU BROKEZ IT |
| 18:30.15 | ZealotOnAStick | Works with Ace3 standalone loaded, but without it, as of about 20 minutes ago or so, it doesn't. Though you might have fixed already, as I said. |
| 18:30.25 | Nandini | i think perhaps instead of making outdated arena gear available for purchase with honor, they should have just made it available to purchase with a tiny number of arena points |
| 18:30.38 | nymbia | hrm |
| 18:31.10 | ZealotOnAStick | Nandini, I think the general idea there is "people complain that they can't do arena now without having all this resiliency, so they can't get arena points to get the gear" |
| 18:31.16 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: split or no? |
| 18:31.20 | Funkeh` | You can now inspect members of the opposite faction. |
| 18:31.25 | ZealotOnAStick | Split? |
| 18:31.25 | Funkeh` | ouch @ arenas? |
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| 18:32.06 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: is the AceLocale-3.0 dir still inside the Ace3 dir? |
| 18:32.19 | Xinhuan | wat?? |
| 18:32.22 | Nandini | sure, you can't get a 2k rating in arena without tons of resilience, but if you just had the old pvp blues, you'd still have 150 or so, and if s1 gear could be purchased for a tiny number of arena points, that would keep our BGs from getting polluted by people who are not interested in actually playing them :P |
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| 18:32.48 | Xinhuan | [3/3 02:31:19] <@Funkeh`> You can now inspect members of the opposite faction. <---- ??? |
| 18:32.57 | _rane | on PTR |
| 18:33.06 | Funkeh` | yeah |
| 18:33.09 | _rane | not sure if it's going to be like that in live |
| 18:33.10 | Xinhuan | O_O |
| 18:33.13 | Funkeh` | you can also choose what ptr you want |
| 18:33.17 | Funkeh` | US, EU, Lorean |
| 18:33.21 | Funkeh` | Korean |
| 18:33.32 | Nandini | but you can't copy a char from a US realm to the EU or KR PTR, sadly |
| 18:33.42 | Nandini | so if i want to harass you there, it will be with a level 1 :P |
| 18:33.44 | Funkeh` | h? |
| 18:33.47 | Funkeh` | meh |
| 18:34.11 | ZealotOnAStick | it should be, nymbia, I don't disembed. |
| 18:34.20 | break19 | Funkeh`: Lorean? as In DeLorian? heh |
| 18:34.33 | Funkeh` | don't diss delorian |
| 18:34.36 | break19 | i'd love to play on a Delorian server :) |
| 18:35.07 | break19 | diss em? hell I think they're cool. I always thought they were cool. |
| 18:35.22 | Funkeh` | damn straight |
| 18:35.42 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: no other errors? |
| 18:35.49 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: afk a minute |
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| 18:36.12 | ZealotOnAStick | just 3 "Cannot find a library instance of "AceLocale-3.0"." |
| 18:36.57 | ZealotOnAStick | and it doesn't actually seem to function with that error, but it doesn't throw anything else. |
| 18:37.24 | break19 | ZealotOnAStick: is ace3 in the toc file as an optdep? lol |
| 18:37.40 | Nandini | if you can inspect enemies on the ptr, it is now possible to extrapolate their health with very good precision, knowing their exact talents, gear, race/class base stats at their level, and buffs, although there wouuld be no way of knowing if buffs were improved versions or not |
| 18:38.05 | Nandini | you could do all that without hitting them once it sounds like |
| 18:38.07 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 18:38.28 | ZealotOnAStick | break19: yes. |
| 18:38.54 | break19 | k |
| 18:39.10 | ZealotOnAStick | and there's a \libs\Ace-Locale-3.0\ as well. |
| 18:39.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh` i just noticed the add revive warning for phase 3 triggering from the message from kael instead of the rez, they rez about ~10 seconds after kaels yell |
| 18:40.48 | Funkeh` | which one is phase 3 again |
| 18:40.49 | ZealotOnAStick | so . . . I'm not really sure why it's not finding it. |
| 18:40.51 | Funkeh` | after weapons |
| 18:41.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: add revive |
| 18:42.06 | ZealotOnAStick | I'll restart after I finish disenchanting these like 140 items . . . |
| 18:42.10 | ZealotOnAStick | and see if it happens again. |
| 18:42.20 | sag_ich_nicht | add revive=phase 3, but the warning for it should come 10 seconds after the yell from kael, not instantly at the yell |
| 18:42.28 | sag_ich_nicht | because that's when the adds revive |
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| 18:43.26 | sag_ich_nicht | i think there might be a combat log event for them reviving too, but i didn't have time to check |
| 18:44.24 | aestil | Antiarc: ping |
| 18:44.29 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, going to leave it as it is just now, will make necesary changes after 2.4 since Im sure we will be using differents tirggers then, don't want to change it now and need new ones when they will be changed |
| 18:44.56 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, 1 thing though, which phase is it you can start before the timer expires, but the bar doesn't stop, I forget |
| 18:45.18 | Funkeh` | phase 4? |
| 18:45.34 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: all those files look like they're where they should be.. no idea what could be going wrong |
| 18:45.35 | sag_ich_nicht | uh, i dunno |
| 18:45.46 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: if it doesnt work after a reload, check the framexml.log for me |
| 18:45.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: which bar you mean? |
| 18:46.05 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll watch for it now but we haven't downed him yet so yeah. :P |
| 18:46.13 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, you can kill all stuff before kael are freed right? It invokes kael our early? |
| 18:46.26 | Funkeh` | out early* |
| 18:47.16 | ZealotOnAStick | nymbia: ok, apparently, never mind, sorry. Full restart, and it works now. |
| 18:47.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: uhm yeah that might be it, i dunno, we haven't killed all of them before he adds (yet, pretty close tho) |
| 18:47.25 | nymbia | ZealotOnAStick: cool, thanks |
| 18:47.26 | Funkeh` | ok |
| 18:47.36 | ZealotOnAStick | I must've loaded while WAU was still doing its bit. |
| 18:49.12 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63390 10BigWigs/TheEye/Kaelthas.lua: BigWigs: TheEye/Kaelthas: Kill p3 bar if we go into p4 early |
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| 18:51.07 | nymbia | pretty funny that you can get info on all spells with GetSpellInfo and GetSpellLink |
| 18:51.19 | nymbia | gonna freak some people out |
| 18:51.25 | Funkeh` | why |
| 18:51.27 | Funkeh` | it rocks |
| 18:51.30 | nymbia | yeah it does |
| 18:51.36 | Funkeh` | can't get all info |
| 18:51.38 | Funkeh` | duration |
| 18:51.50 | Xinhuan | it actually means you can get the description of the debuff that hit you |
| 18:51.53 | Xinhuan | after trying a new boss |
| 18:52.05 | Xinhuan | instead of trying to read the debuff tooltip LOL |
| 18:52.07 | Xinhuan | midfight |
| 18:52.14 | Funkeh` | you can get it before |
| 18:52.15 | nymbia | but the first time someone does a GetSpellLink(265) in trade chat, people gonna flip shit ;) |
| 18:52.19 | Funkeh` | if you knew it |
| 18:52.37 | Funkeh` | nymbia, no idea wha that does :P |
| 18:52.45 | Funkeh` | like an item link? |
| 18:52.47 | nymbia | it's Area Death (TEST) |
| 18:53.24 | nymbia | oh are these not sendable through chat? |
| 18:53.27 | nymbia | these new spell links? |
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| 18:53.43 | Arrowmaster | theyre sendable |
| 18:53.47 | nymbia | nope there it went |
| 18:54.33 | nymbia | well that got some interesting whispers on the PTR |
| 18:54.47 | Arrowmaster | im going to laugh when people start finding the spellids of mob abilitys with the same names as player abilitys and start doings suff like "omg wtf this warlock just oneshot me with [Deathcoil]" |
| 18:54.55 | nymbia | yeah rofl |
| 18:55.17 | Arrowmaster | and its some mob deathcoil that does way more damage than any player would |
| 18:55.50 | nymbia | opens up some interesting possibilities for PT |
| 18:56.01 | Funkeh` | and GetSpellLink(id) auto changes to an [xxx] ? |
| 18:56.06 | Funkeh` | when typed |
| 18:56.17 | nymbia | well no you gotta shift click it |
| 18:56.19 | nymbia | but still |
| 18:56.27 | Funkeh` | not to open it |
| 18:56.34 | Funkeh` | to see the blue chat or whatever coour it is |
| 18:56.39 | Funkeh` | colour |
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| 18:57.03 | nymbia | dump to you own chat then it's shift-linkable whereever |
| 18:57.08 | Funkeh` | oh |
| 18:57.09 | Funkeh` | ok |
| 18:57.10 | Gnarfoz | Archimonde as a rogue: switch out which trinket for the Medallion: DST or WSC? |
| 18:59.29 | ZealotOnAStick | is there a 2.4/ptr functioning Parrot yet? |
| 18:59.35 | nymbia | so i think that i'll add class abilities as sets to PT3.1, since the spell support is already decent |
| 18:59.57 | nymbia | from tradeskills |
| 19:00.01 | ZealotOnAStick | what's spell 265? |
| 19:00.17 | Arrowmaster | martin thunder on use |
| 19:00.40 | nymbia | Area Death (TEST) |
| 19:01.02 | nymbia | 50000 yd range, kills all enemies in a 30 yd radius. Cheater. |
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| 19:04.13 | Funkeh` | nymbia, that gave me a massive text block which I can't shift click, I have to copy and paste that? |
| 19:04.40 | nymbia | Funkeh`: did you do a /dump? |
| 19:04.51 | Funkeh` | yes |
| 19:04.52 | ZealotOnAStick | ckknight: is there a 2.4/ptr working Parrot yet? |
| 19:05.06 | ckknight_ | I'm writing LibDogTag-3.0 now |
| 19:05.13 | nymbia | Funkeh`: that gets the literal text, do a /print |
| 19:05.22 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63391 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/LibPeriodicTable-3.1-Misc/LibPeriodicTable-3.1-Misc.lua: LibPeriodicTable-3.1: Automated dataminer update |
| 19:06.12 | Funkeh` | nymbia, same result |
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| 19:06.51 | Funkeh` | |colorcode Hspell:ID [name] code| |
| 19:06.56 | Funkeh` | a cut down version of it |
| 19:06.59 | Gnarfoz | Archimonde as a rogue: switch out which trinket for the PVP Medallion: Dragonspine Trophy or Warp-Spring Coil? |
| 19:07.00 | FtH|Daemona | wow... blizzard wins. |
| 19:07.02 | nymbia | Funkeh`: odd. /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetSpellLink( )) |
| 19:07.14 | FtH|Daemona | Gnarfoz have your shaman plant tremor on fear cast |
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| 19:07.26 | Amadeo | it works now? |
| 19:07.28 | Gnarfoz | we've got *one* shaman :D |
| 19:07.37 | FtH|Daemona | -> warlocks summons cost 2 shards on ptr atm |
| 19:07.42 | Moorhouse | so uhm, any chance there's an eePanels2 guru online? |
| 19:07.43 | FtH|Daemona | Gnarfoz wsc |
| 19:07.57 | FtH|Daemona | one when casting and one on spell success |
| 19:07.58 | FtH|Daemona | -.- |
| 19:08.15 | Funkeh` | nymbia, that worked |
| 19:08.54 | nymbia | Funkeh`: nice |
| 19:08.58 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r63392 10Recount/GUI_Detail.lua: |
| 19:08.58 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 19:08.58 | CIA-9 | - Fixed a problem where damage type details (by school of damage) would not show properly for non-English locales. |
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| 19:10.43 | Moorhouse | has any of you folks ever encountered problems when parenting an eePanels2 panel to the Quartz player cast bar (QuartzCastBar)? |
| 19:11.18 | Elsia | how can I do reversetranslations with acelocale-3.0? |
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| 19:12.21 | nevcairiel | Elsia: you cant |
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| 19:12.38 | Elsia | k |
| 19:12.41 | Tuller | muffins |
| 19:14.54 | CIA-9 | 03chexsum * r63393 10CombatAlert/ (CombatAlert.lua CombatAlert.toc FixSound.lua): |
| 19:14.54 | CIA-9 | CombatAlert: |
| 19:14.54 | CIA-9 | - Fixed some missed typos |
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| 19:15.15 | Tuller | hey nevcairiel how are you handling the possess bar? |
| 19:15.30 | nevcairiel | nothing special, just bonusbar:5 to page 11 |
| 19:15.37 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 19:15.46 | Tuller | just deciding how I should |
| 19:15.57 | Tuller | I half wanna stick the user in a possess bar mode :P |
| 19:16.14 | Tuller | with an implied hide state of [bonusbar:5] for everything |
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| 19:16.20 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 19:16.23 | nevcairiel | that would be awesome |
| 19:16.31 | nevcairiel | altho people already scream at me |
| 19:16.39 | nevcairiel | for not having a option to disable posess bar |
| 19:16.43 | nevcairiel | because they have macros and all |
| 19:16.54 | Tuller | well its 10 buttons long, right? |
| 19:16.58 | nevcairiel | right |
| 19:17.03 | Tuller | I'm just going to make button 12 a special button |
| 19:17.32 | nevcairiel | doing what? |
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| 19:19.31 | Tuller | cancel aura macro :P |
| 19:19.41 | Tuller | or whatever the thing is |
| 19:19.48 | Tuller | perhaps I can set it to "click" the cancel button |
| 19:19.53 | Tuller | I know that's in theory possible |
| 19:20.40 | nevcairiel | yeah it is |
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| 19:22.28 | NeoTron | Why do I care: svn: '/cygdrive/f/Games/World of Warcraft/Interface/AddOns' has no ancestry information |
| 19:22.40 | NeoTron | I try to commit my addon, not the directory above it.. |
| 19:23.02 | CIA-9 | 03chexsum * r63394 10CombatAlert/CombatAlert.lua: |
| 19:23.02 | CIA-9 | CombatAlert: |
| 19:23.02 | CIA-9 | - ... |
| 19:23.07 | chexsum_ | :x |
| 19:26.54 | break19 | NeoTron: forget cygwin. just use tortoise. |
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| 19:28.42 | nymbia | speaking of tortoise, freakin TSVNCache keeps dying and locking up explorer for me |
| 19:29.07 | Funkeh` | nymbia, on vista? |
| 19:29.21 | nymbia | xp |
| 19:29.29 | Funkeh` | hmm works fine for me on xp |
| 19:29.32 | Funkeh` | just turn it off though |
| 19:29.47 | Funkeh` | I have it off on vista and it still crashes shit |
| 19:29.58 | aestil | wtf are moggles? |
| 19:30.11 | Funkeh` | evolution of goggles? |
| 19:30.11 | wereHamster | WTF?? You are not allowed to make changes to ".project"-type files: |
| 19:32.15 | nymbia | Funkeh`: where's the switch to kill it? i remember finding it before, but i forgot where it is |
| 19:32.45 | Funkeh` | nymbia, settings > icon overlay |
| 19:32.50 | Funkeh` | 'none' |
| 19:33.18 | aestil | no one has read the harry potter stuff? what is a moggle? |
| 19:33.25 | nymbia | Funkeh`: thanks |
| 19:33.54 | robotusch | non-magic person |
| 19:34.06 | robotusch | .. and it's a muggle |
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| 19:34.20 | aestil | ah. thats why googling it was usless |
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| 19:34.54 | robotusch | http://www.hp-lexicon.org/index-2-text.html <- loads of harry potter stuff there |
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| 19:37.37 | CIA-9 | 03werehamster * r63395 10IFrameManager/ (7 files in 2 dirs): IFrameManager: pie > cake. Discuss! |
| 19:37.41 | CIA-9 | 03ascalia * r63396 10BigBrother/localization_deDE.lua: |
| 19:37.41 | CIA-9 | BigBrother: |
| 19:37.41 | CIA-9 | - fixed an error in deDE localization |
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| 19:43.46 | NimbleRabit | anyone else getting tons of pitbull_aura errors |
| 19:44.07 | wereHamster | who's the svn admin? |
| 19:45.02 | sag_ich_nicht | wereHamster: i suggest you talk to Kaelten |
| 19:46.06 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63397 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/LibPeriodicTable-3.1/LibPeriodicTable-3.1.lua: |
| 19:46.06 | CIA-9 | LibPeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 19:46.06 | CIA-9 | - Parse new spell links |
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| 19:48.04 | Arrowmaster | wereHamster: all file extensions have to be whitelisted to be allowed on the svn so yeah talk to Kaelten or send an email to the google groups address thats used for requesting an account with the file types you need whitelisted |
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| 19:49.08 | Antiarc | afternoon folks |
| 19:49.09 | wereHamster | ok, I saw that the eclipse .project file is under svn version control and want to get rid of it.. |
| 19:49.53 | Arrowmaster | wait you somehow added it but now cant delete it? |
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| 19:49.56 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:50.03 | wereHamster | yes, long time ago |
| 19:50.09 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 19:50.11 | wereHamster | probably when I imported the project |
| 19:50.16 | Arrowmaster | that would make more sense |
| 19:50.23 | Chompers | kael p5 with 7 people dead, this is really close |
| 19:51.11 | Chompers | bah, dead |
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| 19:53.38 | hani | is there a decent ace2 replacement for dotimer? |
| 19:54.05 | a^i`SmaN | what's wrong with dotimer ? :| |
| 19:54.22 | hani | it starts throwing errors when I hate dots on more than 4 targets |
| 19:54.24 | hani | have |
| 19:54.29 | Chompers | the crazy amount of spam it makes for one |
| 19:54.35 | hani | and its unmaintained |
| 19:54.37 | wereHamster | so why not reprot the bug to the author? |
| 19:54.43 | hani | so kinda worried it might poop itself come 2.4 |
| 19:55.02 | hani | the author has wandered off into the ether |
| 19:55.40 | Th3Unknown | maybe Antagonist? |
| 19:57.12 | Arrowmaster | lol something is deffently wrong with this hp's hardware, only boots on coldboots with a good amount of time between them |
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| 20:09.07 | Shadowed | talent inspection in 2.4 fixed fyi |
| 20:09.16 | Shadowed | no longer can inspect hostile/pvp flagged players, or people that are outside of inspection range |
| 20:09.29 | Aeyan | I believe most saw that one coming |
| 20:09.40 | Aeyan | Fun while it lasted though, hehe |
| 20:09.53 | Shadowed | indeed |
| 20:09.53 | Hobby-home | in the latest patch? |
| 20:09.57 | Kemayo | mjc: You pinged? |
| 20:10.31 | mjc | yeah, was curious about bankstack |
| 20:10.35 | Shadowed | correct Hobby-home |
| 20:11.10 | Shadowed | latested about, 6-8 months so not bad |
| 20:11.31 | Kemayo | mjc: What about it? |
| 20:12.14 | Gnarfoz | as long as addons cann still inspect hostile players |
| 20:12.18 | Gnarfoz | and I can see talents on them |
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| 20:12.45 | mjc | Kemayo: description on WoWI makes it sound like it should work on the bank vault |
| 20:13.04 | Kemayo | mjc: The guild back? It does. |
| 20:13.07 | mjc | yeah |
| 20:13.09 | mjc | that |
| 20:13.29 | mjc | it gives me an error about not having the bank open |
| 20:14.19 | Kemayo | The guild bank is only accessible through slashcommands -- you have to type something like '/sort guild1' to sort tab one. It doesn't smartly guess which you want when you ask it to sort the bank. |
| 20:14.26 | mjc | ah, ok |
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| 20:14.34 | mjc | I tried /sort guild |
| 20:15.05 | Kemayo | I have to admit I haven't tested these functions since 2.3 hit. Let me make sure they haven't become buggy... |
| 20:15.33 | mjc | I'm not at the bank currently |
| 20:15.41 | mjc | but I can try guild1 etc when I get back later |
| 20:15.59 | Hjalte | Hmm, does anyone know what is up with the "Tools: Soul Shard" on Ritual of Summoning on the PTR? |
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| 20:18.55 | Chompers | kael dead :D |
| 20:19.03 | Chompers | horay, again |
| 20:19.09 | Kemayo | Okay, guild1 definitely works. |
| 20:19.11 | Kemayo | Gratz. |
| 20:19.19 | Chompers | mh time |
| 20:19.32 | Elsia | grats |
| 20:19.48 | mjc | Kemayo: might want to put a note about that on wowi or something. I love bankstack otherwise ;) |
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| 20:20.03 | mjc | or maybe change the slash commands to be a little more intuitive or resilient |
| 20:20.23 | kd3 | Hjalte, it's bugged right now. starting the summon costs a shard, and when the summon finishes, you're charged another |
| 20:20.25 | mjc | could give you a path |
| 20:20.26 | mjc | patch |
| 20:20.30 | kd3 | hopefully that'll be getting fixed in the next build |
| 20:20.41 | Hjalte | kd3: That better not go through to the live realms. |
| 20:21.14 | Kemayo | mjc: If you give me a patch I'll commit it. Otherwise, I'll add it to my to-do list for next time I feel like working on it. |
| 20:21.26 | mjc | alrighty |
| 20:22.35 | mjc | have fun |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-9 | 03Firik * r63398 10BunchOfBars/ (6 files in 5 dirs): |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-9 | BunchOfBars: |
| 20:23.34 | CIA-9 | - some minor changes/fixes |
| 20:24.10 | sun\sehmet | dont know which addon does that but my pvp objectives which should be top center of screen are like 100 pixel down and on the right :P |
| 20:24.27 | sun\sehmet | and i dont have any "pvp" addon... |
| 20:25.03 | break19 | minimap addons do that too, since those frames are anchored to the default minimap. |
| 20:25.09 | sun\sehmet | aaah |
| 20:25.13 | sun\sehmet | so its chichinwa |
| 20:25.19 | chexsum_ | minimap addons or frame movers move it |
| 20:25.21 | sun\sehmet | chinchilla |
| 20:25.50 | mjc | man I love HE AAC |
| 20:25.53 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63399 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Twins.lua: BigWigs: Sunwell/Twins: Warn the players that get conflag/nova since the event seems more stable in the latest ptr now. |
| 20:25.58 | mjc | 32kbit HE AAC sounds like lame --alt-preset standard |
| 20:26.25 | sun\sehmet | i dont see any option to move it in chinchilla tho :P |
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| 20:27.50 | chexsum_ | Position>World State = pvp objectives |
| 20:29.24 | sun\sehmet | aah thx |
| 20:30.01 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63400 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/dataminer.lua: |
| 20:30.01 | CIA-9 | LibPeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 20:30.01 | CIA-9 | - Starting to add class spell ids. Nothing yet. |
| 20:30.12 | Elsia | funky: any chance for a warning in bigwigs when player's tear's timer is lower than 10 minutes and will explire mid-combat? |
| 20:30.21 | Elsia | at archimonde |
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| 20:33.41 | voidwalker | do you think i can find maps with mining locations |
| 20:33.45 | voidwalker | ? |
| 20:33.59 | voidwalker | vine locations |
| 20:34.14 | mjc | cartographer |
| 20:35.17 | voidwalker | what about cartographer |
| 20:35.39 | Zhinjio | Good morning, folks. |
| 20:35.47 | break19 | i think he means out-of-game maps |
| 20:35.56 | mjc | mapwow |
| 20:36.09 | mjc | http://mapwow.com/ |
| 20:36.42 | CIA-9 | 03parnic * r63401 10IceHUD/ (IceBarElement.lua modules/TargetInfo.lua): |
| 20:36.42 | CIA-9 | IceHUD: |
| 20:36.42 | CIA-9 | - don't explicitly set widths on fontstring frames so that long dogtags or huge fonts/mob names don't get cut off |
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| 20:43.25 | voidwalker | yes, out of game maps are good |
| 20:43.35 | voidwalker | can't find any vines with http://mapwow.com/ |
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| 20:49.19 | mathuin | How can I temporarily disable set-changing with ClosetGnome in a macro? |
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| 20:50.58 | FroMaster | Got a mod that is showing in German but there is a 'Locale-enUS.lua' that is in english. How do I get it to use it? All my other mods come up in English |
| 20:51.54 | MentalPower | what language is your client? |
| 20:52.18 | ulic | mathuin: /closetgnome standby I think should work |
| 20:52.20 | FroMaster | English |
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| 20:52.39 | FroMaster | Besides me just guessing, how can i verify that my client is English? |
| 20:52.47 | MentalPower | ./dump GetLocale() |
| 20:53.06 | MentalPower | should say "enUS" or "enGB" |
| 20:53.25 | FroMaster | enUS |
| 20:53.33 | MentalPower | what addon? |
| 20:53.50 | FroMaster | AutoFIR |
| 20:53.59 | break19 | sounds like the author copy/pasted the enus lua and forgot to change the locale name... |
| 20:55.39 | break19 | nope, I'm wrong |
| 20:55.39 | FroMaster | Recommendations? Should I contact the author or just wait for him to realize the issue? |
| 20:55.50 | break19 | he didnt add the enus lua to the toc file |
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| 20:56.10 | FroMaster | I just did it to my local copy and am gonna try it out. |
| 20:56.11 | break19 | FroMaster: contact him, and you can also fix it yourself. |
| 20:56.45 | Antiarc | http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2008-02-28.png |
| 20:57.00 | FroMaster | Adding the Locale-enUS.lua to the .toc caused 12 errors when I logged in. |
| 20:57.09 | MentalPower | Antiarc: wow... |
| 20:57.24 | Antiarc | It's like someone took two massively overplayed internet memes and stuck them in a blender |
| 20:57.44 | break19 | FroMaster: i'm lookin at it right now. gimme a sec |
| 20:58.12 | FroMaster | break19: thanks |
| 20:58.20 | Matrix110 | blender that reminds me of http://youtube.com/watch?v=Li81cHXFw2Q |
| 21:00.23 | break19 | FroMaster: did you add that file in the correct location? |
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| 21:01.39 | FroMaster | I opened the .toc and added 'Locale-enUS.lua' right under the 'Locale-deDE.lua' |
| 21:03.09 | Antiarc | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/03/AR2007050300374.html |
| 21:03.11 | Antiarc | Hahaha |
| 21:03.17 | Antiarc | 10 internets to the author of that headline. |
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| 21:03.44 | NeoTron | break19: feh. I like command line tools |
| 21:04.15 | Arrowmaster | FroMaster: enUS locales should almost always come before other locales |
| 21:04.44 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: that depends, if the addon was initially german, and then translated to english .. etc :) |
| 21:05.06 | Arrowmaster | i said almost |
| 21:05.25 | wereHamster | what's the name of the addon that can be configured using strings that look like lua code? |
| 21:06.10 | FroMaster | break19: I swaped the order and it work.. thanks |
| 21:06.30 | NeoTron | hrm. Tortoise SVN installer fails |
| 21:06.33 | NeoTron | how annoying |
| 21:06.41 | break19 | FroMaster: kk i was bout to it worked fine for me after adding in the locale to the toc :) |
| 21:07.27 | break19 | s/to it/to say that it/ |
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| 21:12.50 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63402 10BigWigs/Prototype.lua: BigWigs: Prototype: Add secondary spell Id for things like dispells. |
| 21:17.29 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63403 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Twins.lua: |
| 21:17.30 | CIA-9 | BigWigs: Sunwell/Twins: |
| 21:17.30 | CIA-9 | - Fix respawn timer |
| 21:17.30 | CIA-9 | - Fix debuff alert |
| 21:17.30 | CIA-9 | - Fix debuff remove (and error) |
| 21:19.17 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63404 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:19.17 | CIA-9 | LibPeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 21:19.17 | CIA-9 | - Add ClassSpell module, which contains all spell ids for player classes with level learned as value |
| 21:19.17 | CIA-9 | - Drycoded! |
| 21:20.12 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63405 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Twins.lua: BigWigs: Sunwell/Twins: bugfix my last commit |
| 21:20.18 | Chompers | hrm, winterchill is pretty hard |
| 21:20.36 | Chompers | that icebolt thing kills people in a few seconds |
| 21:20.45 | Hjalte | Chompers: Go go pvp trinket. |
| 21:21.19 | Chompers | that works on the ice debuff? |
| 21:21.33 | Hjalte | Yes |
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| 21:21.47 | nevcairiel | Chompers: the icebolt is about all thats hard .. get your healers to not slack =P |
| 21:21.54 | nevcairiel | assist-targeting ftw |
| 21:22.01 | Chompers | pallys couldn't get a FoL in :/ |
| 21:22.13 | Hjalte | Get everyone to equip their pvp trinket. |
| 21:22.37 | nevcairiel | priest should throw a shield and pally can FoL definately |
| 21:22.46 | nevcairiel | unless they're too slow with targetting |
| 21:23.15 | Chompers | 25% first try |
| 21:23.18 | Chompers | not too bad |
| 21:23.44 | Hjalte | He's really easy :) |
| 21:24.57 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63406 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Twins.lua: BigWigs: Sunwell/Twins: working on the hunch that dispelling is now attributed to the dispel event. |
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| 21:27.02 | Funkeh` | and if you thin you can bribe em don't forget a log |
| 21:27.10 | Funkeh` | mistype |
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| 21:30.13 | Chompers | Time for another try i guess |
| 21:30.37 | Gnarfoz | Archimonde sucks xD |
| 21:30.47 | sb | bah |
| 21:31.01 | sb | 2 * heal, 1 * manaburn, 2 DD is evil in arena :/ |
| 21:31.07 | sb | no idea what to do |
| 21:32.30 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63407 10PT3Browser/PT3Browser.lua: |
| 21:32.30 | CIA-9 | PT3Browser: |
| 21:32.30 | CIA-9 | - Use GetSpell* for 2.4 |
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| 21:33.04 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63408 10PT3Browser/PT3Browser.lua: |
| 21:33.04 | CIA-9 | PT3Browser: |
| 21:33.04 | CIA-9 | - Might help to keep the Name thing |
| 21:33.29 | stavmar | silly question, does anyone use PhPRaidViewer for their invites? |
| 21:34.38 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63409 10PT3Browser/PT3Browser.lua: |
| 21:34.38 | CIA-9 | PT3Browser: |
| 21:34.38 | CIA-9 | - Change color to match new spell link color |
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| 21:36.02 | sb | stavmar: yup |
| 21:36.27 | stavmar | sb any issues with it and do you know where the latest PhPRaid Viewer download is? |
| 21:36.43 | sb | i have some really old version, because newer versions stopped working for me :p |
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| 21:42.25 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63410 10aX_RaidStatus/RaidStatusCore.lua: |
| 21:42.25 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 21:42.25 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Typo |
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| 21:48.44 | voidwalker | pfft, i can't find this questgiver npc |
| 21:48.45 | voidwalker | Gwennyth Bly'Leggonde |
| 21:48.54 | voidwalker | if i do /target Gwennyth Bly'Leggonde i get her icon.. |
| 21:48.57 | voidwalker | how can i locate her? |
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| 21:49.20 | Kulaar | hmm Optionhouse shows me 28 MiB Memory Usage of Addons CML shows me 90 MB !! |
| 21:49.24 | Kulaar | who is wrong? |
| 21:51.10 | Thorgard | voidwalker, she's up by the flightmaster. |
| 21:51.52 | voidwalker | found her.. the quest was low level. that's why she didn't have ! |
| 21:53.30 | CIA-9 | 03merl * r63411 10/branches/mHud/ (9 files in 4 dirs): mHud: Fix: Standalone externals. Change: Skin/DB handling. |
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| 21:54.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Kael'thas down and I have the T5 Chest :> |
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| 21:54.58 | Chompers | winterchill down |
| 21:55.03 | Chompers | and i get my shoulders :D |
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| 22:02.22 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63412 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Twins.lua: BigWigs: Sunwell/Twins: add icon placement |
| 22:05.39 | NeoTron | break19: so tortoise SVN fails with the same wya when I try to check in |
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| 22:12.19 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r63413 10MagicMarker/ (16 files in 3 dirs): MagicMarker: Mob and raid target configuration. Note: Not yet used in marking logic. |
| 22:12.19 | NeoTron | figured itout. had a .svn directory in WOWHOME/Interface for some reason |
| 22:17.26 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63414 10/tags/PeriodicTable-3.0/: |
| 22:17.27 | CIA-9 | PeriodicTable-3.0: |
| 22:17.27 | CIA-9 | - Tag dir |
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| 22:18.18 | mort | !rating 1722 |
| 22:18.19 | Xinhuan | 1722 rating gives 640(5s), 563(3s) and 486(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 22:19.33 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia 073.0 * r63415 10PeriodicTable-3.0/: |
| 22:19.33 | CIA-9 | PeriodicTable-3.0: |
| 22:19.33 | CIA-9 | - Tag |
| 22:22.28 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63416 10PeriodicTable-3.0/: |
| 22:22.28 | CIA-9 | PeriodicTable-3.0: |
| 22:22.28 | CIA-9 | - Delete from trunk, everyone should be using 3.1 by now. |
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| 22:22.51 | nymbia | i wonder how bad that's gonna break the zip script |
| 22:23.27 | Xinhuan | won't break it since existing addons that use 3.0 simply doesn't get rezipped |
| 22:23.34 | Xinhuan | ever again |
| 22:23.43 | nymbia | sucks to be them ;) |
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| 22:24.17 | Xinhuan | where's antiarc grr |
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| 22:26.04 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: he's hiding from you |
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| 22:26.53 | Kalroth | [22:47] <Antiarc> HEHE, Xinhuan wont like this! |
| 22:26.58 | Antiarc | ? |
| 22:26.59 | Kalroth | see, not a fake quote at all |
| 22:27.03 | Kalroth | uh oh |
| 22:27.04 | Antiarc | What's up? |
| 22:27.11 | Xinhuan | uh 2 things |
| 22:27.14 | Xinhuan | one is about Omen |
| 22:27.18 | Xinhuan | the other is about Blizz combat log |
| 22:28.12 | Xinhuan | for omen, i'll like a feature request! a feature to reset the threat on one particular mob |
| 22:28.27 | Xinhuan | as opposed to reset threat on all mobs |
| 22:28.37 | Antiarc | You can already do that, kinda |
| 22:28.46 | Antiarc | Actually, you can |
| 22:28.49 | Xinhuan | how? |
| 22:28.58 | Antiarc | Self only, or raid? |
| 22:29.02 | Xinhuan | raid |
| 22:29.16 | Antiarc | function ThreatLibNPCModuleCore.modulePrototype:WipeRaidThreatOnMob(mobID) |
| 22:29.19 | Xinhuan | example: we're fighting Anetheron, he summons a infernal. we dps and kill the infernal, he summons a 2nd infernal. since we never exit combat at all, the threat for the 2nd infernal is all wrong |
| 22:29.28 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 22:29.30 | Xinhuan | but resetting threat globally would wipe threat on the boss itself |
| 22:29.31 | Antiarc | (which is fixed in 2.4) |
| 22:29.47 | Antiarc | Oh, wait |
| 22:29.49 | Antiarc | That's the 2.0 signature |
| 22:29.50 | Xinhuan | yeah but i think it may still be useful to be able to reset threat on a single mob manually raid-wide |
| 22:30.02 | Xinhuan | because of boss abilities |
| 22:30.11 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: won't the 2nd infernal have a new id? |
| 22:30.17 | Antiarc | function ThreatLibNPCModuleCore.modulePrototype:WipeRaidThreatOnMob(mob) <-- that's the 1.0 |
| 22:30.19 | Xinhuan | only in 2.4 onwards |
| 22:30.22 | Antiarc | Orionshock: In 2.4, yes |
| 22:30.27 | Xinhuan | yeah but i'm asking about now |
| 22:30.38 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: I'm not really sure how you'd want to wipe threat on a single mob. Type in the name? |
| 22:30.41 | Antiarc | That's sorta clunky. |
| 22:30.44 | Antiarc | UI wise I mean |
| 22:31.04 | Xinhuan | the tank could easily click on something to reset the threat on the current mob he's targetting or something |
| 22:31.14 | Antiarc | Well |
| 22:31.20 | Antiarc | If they misclick it, you're sorta boned |
| 22:31.31 | Antiarc | And you don't really want to reset threat on a mob while it's alive |
| 22:31.43 | Xinhuan | would actually be good to reset while alive |
| 22:31.48 | Xinhuan | to force all dps to stop for a while |
| 22:31.55 | Antiarc | Pff :P |
| 22:32.00 | Xinhuan | still its unlikely to misclick heh |
| 22:32.41 | Xinhuan | as for the combat log |
| 22:32.42 | Xinhuan | read page 3 |
| 22:32.43 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11302.40 |
| 22:32.50 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.54 | Xinhuan | from zeksie's first post |
| 22:32.58 | Antiarc | Tada, single-mob threat clear macro |
| 22:32.59 | Xinhuan | near the bottom |
| 22:33.33 | Xinhuan | reply #60 to be specific |
| 22:34.12 | Xinhuan | then read thru #60 to #68 |
| 22:34.15 | Antiarc | I thought we kept everything that was visible visible |
| 22:34.21 | Antiarc | By inserting it into _G |
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| 22:34.29 | Antiarc | Even though it was defined as local so when used there it would get the upvalue |
| 22:36.36 | Antiarc | Hrm. |
| 22:36.49 | Xinhuan | so localling everything is counter-modding |
| 22:37.02 | Antiarc | Well, only the stuff that needs to be hookable. |
| 22:37.10 | Xinhuan | and its true, an addon wouldn't be able to modify or change behavior slightly in the least bit |
| 22:37.30 | Xinhuan | for eg, if zeksie wanted to write an addon to replace CombatLog_String_GetToken() to give numbers instead of alphabets |
| 22:37.40 | Xinhuan | it wouldn't be possible with locals |
| 22:37.50 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 22:38.01 | Antiarc | Thought - |
| 22:38.09 | Antiarc | Oh, nevermind. |
| 22:38.14 | Arrowmaster | nobody should ever be using anything in the LoD combatlog though |
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| 22:38.25 | Antiarc | Well, they could opdep it. |
| 22:38.46 | Xinhuan | well there are people who write small addons to change some small thing |
| 22:38.57 | Antiarc | Yeah. |
| 22:39.04 | Antiarc | What needs to be determined is what needs to be hookable |
| 22:39.06 | Xinhuan | and are perfectly happy with being dependant on the default lod component |
| 22:39.15 | Antiarc | Those will need to be globals, unfortunately. |
| 22:39.23 | Xinhuan | for eg, Auctioneer adds its own pane to Blizzard_AuctionUI |
| 22:39.25 | Antiarc | Well -- |
| 22:39.30 | Antiarc | Wouldn't a securehook still work? |
| 22:39.32 | Antiarc | Granted, it's slower |
| 22:39.33 | Arrowmaster | not counting addons making small modifications to the default combatlog, nothing should ever be using anything in the LoD combatlog |
| 22:39.37 | Antiarc | But it should still work |
| 22:39.52 | Xinhuan | securehooks work, but securehooks can't change functionality |
| 22:40.00 | Antiarc | Mm. True. |
| 22:40.14 | Xinhuan | CombatLog_String_GetToken() --> blizzard wants to provide alphabets, what if i like numbers better? |
| 22:40.22 | Xinhuan | that's what zeksie is saying |
| 22:40.27 | Antiarc | right. |
| 22:40.35 | Antiarc | granted, the bliz version is commented out :P |
| 22:40.50 | Xinhuan | but this is just an example |
| 22:40.55 | Antiarc | yeah. |
| 22:41.08 | Xinhuan | currently my menu code is a global function |
| 22:41.16 | Xinhuan | so its directly hookable for addons to add their own menu items |
| 22:41.40 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: u working on blizzard code? |
| 22:41.46 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 22:41.52 | Xinhuan | function Blizzard_CombatLog_CreateUnitMenu(unitName_arg, unitGUID_arg, special_arg) <-- global function |
| 22:41.53 | Orionshock | interesting |
| 22:41.54 | Antiarc | It could be kept local by providing a global hook, but that'd be the same expense, I think |
| 22:41.54 | Xinhuan | directly hookable |
| 22:42.18 | Xinhuan | it'll be an extra function call |
| 22:42.21 | Antiarc | Yup. |
| 22:42.35 | Xinhuan | and it will still prevent changing the core function |
| 22:42.44 | Antiarc | well, not really |
| 22:42.53 | Antiarc | You can just return the hook's value if it exists |
| 22:43.29 | Xinhuan | doesn't seem all that worth it |
| 22:43.38 | Antiarc | I agree |
| 22:44.25 | Antiarc | The question is, what's the tradeoff between moddability and CPU savings? |
| 22:44.41 | Antiarc | I mean, we were able to achieve a 82% CPU usage reduction, which is pretty damned good. |
| 22:45.03 | Arrowmaster | really? |
| 22:45.04 | Xinhuan | and i killed all of the remainder table generation heh |
| 22:45.04 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 22:45.43 | Antiarc | After we got optimizing it, we had it running at about 17.6% of the stock code's CPU time |
| 22:45.52 | Antiarc | s/we got/we got done/ |
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| 22:46.39 | Xinhuan | i think blizzard code should probably always be moddable |
| 22:47.12 | Antiarc | I'm leaning towards agreeing. I guess we need to ID what would potentially need to be hookable |
| 22:47.19 | Antiarc | But damn, that's going to reintroduce some overhead. |
| 22:47.45 | Xinhuan | should be alright to reintroduce overhead |
| 22:47.52 | Xinhuan | its still going to be a lot less than the original code |
| 22:47.56 | Antiarc | Yeah |
| 22:48.04 | Antiarc | The table cleanup was probably the biggest chunk, really. |
| 22:48.24 | Xinhuan | i didn't local any function, so its all your parts |
| 22:48.41 | Xinhuan | i added these 2 |
| 22:48.42 | Xinhuan | local Blizzard_CombatLog_CurrentSettings |
| 22:48.42 | Xinhuan | local Blizzard_CombatLog_PreviousSettings |
| 22:48.51 | Xinhuan | which an addon might probably want to access |
| 22:50.27 | Antiarc | I'll shoot Alex an email |
| 22:50.50 | Xinhuan | so hm, go commit a latest stock copy of the Blizzard_Combatlog first on svn |
| 22:51.04 | Xinhuan | and un-local some stuff |
| 22:51.17 | Xinhuan | send me a cc when you mail him |
| 22:51.31 | Xinhuan | its sunday on his end at the moment, so he probably won't see it until monday morning |
| 22:51.35 | Antiarc | kk, I'll do that |
| 22:53.11 | Orionshock | ^^? |
| 22:53.18 | Xinhuan | in a wak, i'm leaning towards zeksie, since i use xperl |
| 22:53.21 | Xinhuan | way* |
| 22:53.38 | Antiarc | Hehe |
| 22:53.44 | Antiarc | I agree with the philosophy |
| 22:54.02 | Xinhuan | ~wdn |
| 22:54.03 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 22:54.32 | Xinhuan | hmm they don't have the latest ptr copy yet |
| 22:56.28 | Antiarc | CombatLog_Color_FloatToText can stay local, I believe |
| 22:56.35 | Antiarc | That's not really anything you'd want to override. |
| 22:57.11 | Xinhuan | is there any mechanism to change the default colors? |
| 22:57.26 | Antiarc | What do you mean? |
| 22:57.46 | Antiarc | FloatToText just takes {r = 1, g = 1, b = 1, a = 1} and spits out ffffffff |
| 22:57.55 | Antiarc | Simple conversion, not really something that would warrant changing |
| 22:57.58 | Xinhuan | yes but look at how some of these colors are obtained |
| 22:58.06 | Antiarc | Yes, I'm making those hookable |
| 22:58.06 | Xinhuan | for eg, fire damage is colored red |
| 22:58.17 | Xinhuan | where does it get this red color from |
| 22:58.27 | Xinhuan | arcane is colored light blue |
| 22:58.31 | Antiarc | You can change those colors via the config UI, but the function that yet those values probably should be hookable |
| 22:58.34 | Fisker- | o hai |
| 22:58.47 | Xinhuan | there isn't a config UI that changes these colors |
| 22:58.50 | Xinhuan | as far as i can see |
| 22:59.07 | Antiarc | well |
| 22:59.19 | Antiarc | You could change COMBATLOG_DEFAULT_COLORS.schoolColoring[mask], I guess |
| 23:00.02 | Xinhuan | Blizzard_CombatLog_CurrentSettings.colors.unitColoring |
| 23:00.22 | Xinhuan | hmm i guess |
| 23:00.34 | Xinhuan | the config is pretty bad at the moment |
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| 23:00.51 | Xinhuan | i'm sure someone wuld write an addon to redo the config for blizzard combat log LOL |
| 23:01.17 | Antiarc | Well, if those color bits are used more than once per line |
| 23:01.21 | Xinhuan | all we did was optimize it without changing any functionality |
| 23:01.22 | Antiarc | We could upvalue them in the onevent |
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| 23:01.26 | Antiarc | Which would be a small optimization |
| 23:02.05 | Xinhuan | every combat log event can call those color functions up to 6 times |
| 23:02.05 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 23:02.22 | Antiarc | At worst case it's equal to not upvaluing them |
| 23:02.34 | Antiarc | At best we save 5 table lookups per line |
| 23:03.21 | Xinhuan | while you're at it, optimize away my string.format() calls |
| 23:03.28 | Antiarc | kk |
| 23:03.30 | Cryect | Not sure why you are trying to improve the performance of the Blizzard combat log when it doesn't really seem that great anyyways |
| 23:03.41 | Antiarc | Because everyone is going to be using it? :P |
| 23:03.51 | Cryect | but is everyone going to be using your optimizations? |
| 23:03.55 | Antiarc | yes |
| 23:04.02 | Antiarc | Yoshi is putting them into the patches :P |
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| 23:04.10 | Cryect | man lazy blizzard |
| 23:04.25 | vhaarr | s/lazy/incompetent/ |
| 23:04.27 | Cryect | I really question what the hell was the dev who was writing the combat log for the past several months doing |
| 23:04.41 | Cryect | heh I hope more than the log |
| 23:04.55 | Xinhuan | if you extracted out the latest ptr patch code, you'll notice my name/comments splattered all over it because they weren't commented out |
| 23:05.03 | Cryect | haha |
| 23:05.12 | Xinhuan | or rather, edited out |
| 23:05.21 | Cryect | they might as well leave your comments |
| 23:05.39 | Lukian | Xinhuan, lol win :) |
| 23:05.52 | Cryect | I mean Iriel's name is in a few places within the code |
| 23:06.10 | Xinhuan | by code comments, i think stuff like |
| 23:06.11 | Xinhuan | -- XINHUAN: Reuse the same table in an upvalue |
| 23:06.25 | Antiarc | Most of my comments were edited out :P |
| 23:06.29 | Orionshock | Xinhuan: where i wana see :D |
| 23:06.35 | Fisker- | one does not simply walk into jerusalem |
| 23:06.38 | Antiarc | But I told Alex to go ahead and remove them, because I mostly put them there for his benefit |
| 23:06.51 | Xinhuan | go extract Blizzard_CombatLog ~_~ |
| 23:08.21 | Xinhuan | so anyway the remainder constants were moved out to Constants.lua |
| 23:08.24 | Xinhuan | in framexml |
| 23:08.46 | Xinhuan | and all future constants are meant to be in there hehe |
| 23:09.36 | Chompers | first BT kill |
| 23:10.31 | Chompers | ...a toad |
| 23:10.38 | Fisker- | old |
| 23:10.40 | Fisker- | btw Chompers |
| 23:10.44 | Fisker- | stop stalking our progress |
| 23:10.54 | Chompers | :X |
| 23:11.11 | Fisker- | so how far are you? |
| 23:11.14 | Cryect | will have to use people like you Xinhuan as arguments why the GUI for the project I'm currently working on should be open :-p though doubt it will be |
| 23:11.46 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 23:11.56 | Fisker- | ANSWER ME CHOM PERS |
| 23:12.11 | Chompers | im actually you Fisker- |
| 23:12.12 | Cryect | Can get people to optimize the code for free! |
| 23:13.34 | Xinhuan | only offered to do it because it was so.... bad, to the extent you can get 82% CPU reduction and 70% or so ram garbage generation reduced without changing any functionality at all |
| 23:13.38 | Fisker- | NO I'M YOU CHOMPERS RAWR |
| 23:13.41 | Fisker- | but srsly |
| 23:13.44 | Fisker- | i need sleep |
| 23:14.35 | Cryect | heh |
| 23:14.53 | Xinhuan | something in putbull changed in the last few days apparently, causing blizzard UI to leak memory |
| 23:15.10 | Xinhuan | by leak we're talking about 180 mb ram used by UI memory, but only 20 mb of that is by addons |
| 23:15.18 | Cryect | wtf |
| 23:15.55 | Cryect | that on ptr or live? |
| 23:16.01 | Xinhuan | live |
| 23:16.08 | Xinhuan | thread: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11676.0 |
| 23:16.09 | Cryect | leaking frames? |
| 23:16.14 | Xinhuan | complete with screenshots |
| 23:17.10 | Xinhuan | you'll have to open those jpg attachemnts to see heh |
| 23:17.28 | Xinhuan | and near the end of page 1, others reporting the same issue |
| 23:17.40 | Cryect | yeah |
| 23:17.47 | Cryect | hmmm lets see what could have done that in the past few days |
| 23:18.02 | Xinhuan | pitbull uses like 30 libs and has many submodules |
| 23:18.06 | Xinhuan | it'll be difficult to track |
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| 23:20.51 | Xinhuan | antiarc, probably unlocal these 2 |
| 23:20.52 | Xinhuan | local Blizzard_CombatLog_CurrentSettings |
| 23:20.52 | Xinhuan | local Blizzard_CombatLog_PreviousSettings |
| 23:21.00 | Xinhuan | and local them in the OnEvent |
| 23:21.08 | Fisker- | Chompers :( |
| 23:21.10 | Xinhuan | or maybe just CurrentSettings is enough |
| 23:21.11 | Fisker- | i want you :( |
| 23:21.54 | Antiarc | Err |
| 23:22.00 | Antiarc | Those are table references |
| 23:22.03 | Antiarc | Not function references |
| 23:22.09 | Antiarc | So they shouldn't need to be global |
| 23:22.14 | Antiarc | They should have global references, sure. |
| 23:22.30 | Antiarc | Oh, wait, nm |
| 23:22.32 | Xinhuan | actually i just looked |
| 23:22.34 | Antiarc | Those get shuffled around a lot |
| 23:22.37 | Antiarc | Not copied |
| 23:22.49 | Xinhuan | the critical OnEvents dont' really use it |
| 23:22.58 | Xinhuan | not much anyway |
| 23:23.03 | Xinhuan | probably just unlocal it |
| 23:23.04 | Antiarc | It's mostly UI stuff |
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| 23:24.16 | Xinhuan | probably the only locals that should exist are tables that are immutable (never changing) and global core lua functions |
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| 23:30.45 | Fisker- | MMOHCG |
| 23:30.56 | Fisker- | Massively Multiplayer Online Hate Chompers Game |
| 23:34.25 | Yssaril | is there an easy way to fade frames in/out? or do i have to handle that myself? |
| 23:35.55 | FtH|Daemona | hmmm... so close ... http://i30.tinypic.com/6549y8.jpg |
| 23:37.35 | Lukian | ouch nice dodge :p |
| 23:37.55 | Lukian | btw, where's Fizzle? |
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| 23:42.51 | Antiarc | Yssaril: There's a blizzard function to do it |
| 23:43.12 | Antiarc | UIFrameFlash |
| 23:44.07 | dylanm | !api UIFrameFadeIn |
| 23:44.08 | WoWLuaircBot | dylanm: UIFrameFadeIn(frame, timeToFade, startAlpha, endAlpha) -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UIFrameFadeIn |
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| 23:45.00 | Yssaril | thanks :) |
| 23:47.12 | Pkekyo| | "Does Hardcore = Leeroy Jenkins + success? If so, I've had me moments." xD |
| 23:51.27 | CIA-9 | 03nirek * r63417 10FuBar_TradeCDFu/FuBar_TradeCooldownFu.lua: FuBar_TradeCDFu: Show next avail cooldown on label if one is still cooling down |
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| 23:53.48 | Estil | lol |
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