| 00:03.21 | Orionshock | anyway to get a aceGUI frame to clamp to screen? |
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| 00:04.11 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/tmp/magic4.jpg |
| 00:04.15 | p3lim | there is an api for it |
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| 00:04.59 | p3lim | :ClampToScreen() or something, cant remember |
| 00:07.21 | zournyqu | hi i got a problem with pitbulll i installed the new version with wau and since then my minimalist texture doesnt work anymore: see screenshot: http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6129/wowscrnshot030308010515ap4.jpg |
| 00:07.50 | zournyqu | would be nice if some1 can help me..sorry 4 my bad english skills |
| 00:09.33 | Chompers | do you have sharedmedia-2.0 installed? |
| 00:09.38 | zournyqu | nope |
| 00:09.53 | zournyqu | i run without externals mode..see additional screenshot: http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot030308010958wx0.jpg |
| 00:10.06 | zournyqu | this happens if i select minimalist texture and reload the ui |
| 00:10.10 | p3lim | Orionshock: :SetClampedToScreen(true) |
| 00:10.28 | Stanzilla | zournyqu: install SharedMedia-2.0 |
| 00:11.19 | zournyqu | why? i never had it and it worked? :/ where are pitbull textures saved? |
| 00:11.26 | zournyqu | i think the file could be corrupt |
| 00:11.31 | Stanzilla | pitbull has no own textures |
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| 00:12.22 | zournyqu | why do i need these shared media? |
| 00:12.29 | p3lim | looks like its corrupted to me¨ |
| 00:12.37 | Stanzilla | because it has for example the minimalist texture |
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| 00:12.47 | Pkekyo| | sodding hell...I've got to write a full-scale analysis about the movie 'Total Recall' by the morning |
| 00:13.12 | zournyqu | where do i find the corrupt file to replace it? i think i accidently runned wau while wow was running |
| 00:13.20 | p3lim | i have the same, just for "Band of Brothers" (9 dvd documentary-movie) |
| 00:13.30 | p3lim | havent watched a single one |
| 00:13.43 | Pkekyo| | BoB a documentary? |
| 00:13.56 | p3lim | call it what you want |
| 00:13.59 | Pkekyo| | it doesn't really seem all that objective imo |
| 00:14.06 | Cryect | its a miniseries not a movie :-p |
| 00:14.17 | p3lim | true Cryect |
| 00:14.18 | Pkekyo| | splitting hairs ftw |
| 00:14.49 | kenlyric | is there a mod that provides an interface to in-game sound files so you can use them in events? |
| 00:14.52 | Pkekyo| | my main problem is, Total Recall is such a shitty movie that noone could be arsed to write a proper analysis of it thus far |
| 00:15.07 | kenlyric | shitty movie? |
| 00:15.09 | zournyqu | >where do i find the corrupt file to replace it? i think i accidently runned wau while wow was running |
| 00:15.09 | kenlyric | fuck you |
| 00:15.10 | Cryect | whats the problem? |
| 00:15.11 | kenlyric | three boobs |
| 00:15.11 | zournyqu | :> |
| 00:15.12 | kenlyric | the end |
| 00:15.20 | Nandini | someone has made a list of all the sound files, you can search for it in the US UI/Macros forum, if that helps |
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| 00:15.57 | Pkekyo| | rofl kenlyric |
| 00:16.26 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: three boobs really doesn't make up for the quality of the rest of the movie |
| 00:16.34 | Arrowmaster | zournyqu: there is no corrupt file, install SharedMedia-2.0 |
| 00:16.38 | kenlyric | SCREW YOUUUUUUU |
| 00:16.50 | kenlyric | god, that movie is classic arnold |
| 00:17.04 | kenlyric | that and kindergarten cop are the pinnacle of his career. |
| 00:17.26 | kenlyric | OPEN YOUR MIND.... OPEN YOUR MIND..... |
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| 00:17.46 | kenlyric | you can do worse in movies about Mars |
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| 00:17.55 | kenlyric | Val Kilmer, for instance |
| 00:18.03 | KarlThePagan | uh... wtf "Adding Dependency FuBar_FarmerFu -> !!!StandaloneLibraries |
| 00:18.04 | KarlThePagan | " |
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| 00:19.31 | KarlThePagan | that seriously fucked with my addons... |
| 00:19.58 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: granted, but for one, it's still a shitty movie, and second, I do not have a 'movies about mars'-fetish :p |
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| 00:20.40 | p3lim | planet of the apes ftw? |
| 00:21.49 | Pkekyo| | not about mars /shoo |
| 00:21.52 | Pkekyo| | xD |
| 00:22.10 | p3lim | well its not about earth, so it counts |
| 00:22.21 | kenlyric | uh |
| 00:22.24 | p3lim | all space related movies sucks |
| 00:22.33 | p3lim | except starwars |
| 00:22.42 | kenlyric | by some arbitrary definition of sucks that is dumb. |
| 00:22.48 | Pkekyo| | I've got the distinct feeling I should find another movie to analyze |
| 00:22.52 | Arrowmaster | now thats weird |
| 00:22.53 | Arrowmaster | [2008/03/02 19:22:03-2791-x1]: AceEvent-2.0-56171 (Ace2):327: attempt to call a boolean value |
| 00:23.00 | Pkekyo| | p3lim: fuck you, battlestar galactica and stargate > all |
| 00:23.02 | p3lim | Pkekyo| you do that :p |
| 00:23.03 | Arrowmaster | full debugstack |
| 00:23.05 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: well, duh. You shouldn't analyze total recall |
| 00:23.12 | p3lim | stargate sucks |
| 00:24.25 | Pkekyo| | p3lim: screw you, macgyver that swears and shoots guns is fucking greater than anything...granted, that's the series, but still |
| 00:24.32 | p3lim | lol |
| 00:24.33 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: then what should I analyze? |
| 00:24.34 | KarlThePagan | they finally brought atlantis back from the brink of sucking really bad |
| 00:24.42 | p3lim | i liked his pocketknife and ducktape better |
| 00:24.51 | Pkekyo| | fagballs |
| 00:25.05 | Pkekyo| | I chose total recall because I didn't want to fuck up a movie I like by analyzing it :p |
| 00:25.09 | zournyqu | hmm installing shared media helped thx but now i got a whole bunch of textures i dont rly want :/ |
| 00:25.27 | Pkekyo| | tough shit, zournyqu...just don't use them |
| 00:25.28 | kenlyric | Pkekyo|: A movie with analyzable points. |
| 00:25.38 | Pkekyo| | name some |
| 00:26.04 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 00:26.21 | p3lim | zournyqu: remove em if you want, but you cant update that mod anymore |
| 00:26.24 | Stanzilla | I just had another window overlaying my irc window |
| 00:26.30 | Pkekyo| | (for the record, I have no idea what I'm doing, I'm just analyzing this movie so I won't fail) |
| 00:26.34 | Stanzilla | that's what I saw: <kenlyric> Pkekyo|: A movie with anal |
| 00:26.38 | Arrowmaster | zournyqu: i think whatever is registering that minimalist texture for you doesnt acutally have the file or isnt pointing to the correct file |
| 00:26.47 | Pkekyo| | rofl Stanzilla |
| 00:27.22 | p3lim | Stanzilla you sure noticed that eh? :p |
| 00:27.22 | kenlyric | here's one for total recall: analyze the situation between the mutants and the government, and compare it with real-world examples of corporate greed destroying the lives of the little man. |
| 00:27.34 | Stanzilla | p3lim: of course I did! |
| 00:27.40 | p3lim | yay |
| 00:27.41 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: I meant 'name some movies', but ok |
| 00:28.21 | zournyqu | ah now i now when the problem started i switched from proximo to proximo2 |
| 00:28.29 | zournyqu | could this be the reason? |
| 00:28.37 | kenlyric | I majored in bullshitting, I'm pretty sure I can find deep themes in WoW cinematics |
| 00:28.58 | Arrowmaster | zournyqu: yeah if proximo2 doesnt have the texture in its folder but is registering it |
| 00:29.05 | Pkekyo| | *rolls need for Major Bullshiting VII* |
| 00:29.22 | p3lim | guys, can i start like a poll here? ive got a question for you all really |
| 00:29.35 | Antiarc | ~asktoask |
| 00:29.35 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 00:29.38 | p3lim | what irc client do you run? |
| 00:29.43 | Antiarc | Pidgin |
| 00:29.45 | Stanzilla | kvirc |
| 00:29.46 | Pkekyo| | OperaIRC |
| 00:29.46 | [dRaCo] | mirc |
| 00:30.01 | Pkekyo| | just 'cause I can't be arsed to have yet another app running that I have to alt-tab to |
| 00:30.08 | p3lim | :) |
| 00:30.24 | p3lim | im using mirc with nnscript right now, but im not so happy with it :/ |
| 00:30.34 | Pkekyo| | l2Opera |
| 00:30.46 | p3lim | i want to be able to join two servers at load |
| 00:31.04 | p3lim | while now i have to manually connect to the 2nd one (freenode that beeing) |
| 00:31.04 | [dRaCo] | so? |
| 00:31.11 | [dRaCo] | that's no problem with mirc |
| 00:31.18 | p3lim | teach! |
| 00:31.42 | Orionshock | Chatzilla |
| 00:31.48 | Pkekyo| | kenlyric: here's the main points I need to talk about in my analysis: mise-en-scene, cinematography, editing/sound, composition, dramaturgy(?), genre, typical genre traits, how the movie affects how we see stuff, symbology, movie's nationality and how it affects the movie....basicly, it's an assignment from hell |
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| 00:32.07 | p3lim | holy crap |
| 00:32.07 | [dRaCo] | p3lim: basically: hook the start event and have it connect to two servers :P |
| 00:32.12 | Chaud | Prat chat tabs not working correctly for 2.4? |
| 00:32.14 | Pkekyo| | p3lim: what? |
| 00:32.19 | p3lim | that was alot |
| 00:32.26 | Pkekyo| | duh... :p |
| 00:32.38 | Pkekyo| | and that's just the main bulletpoints |
| 00:32.45 | p3lim | *sigh* |
| 00:33.01 | p3lim | [dRaCo]: how can i do that? pm |
| 00:33.18 | Pkekyo| | in other words; I'm completely and utterly fucked to that stage in which I'm bleeding from the asshole lol |
| 00:33.35 | Pkekyo| | hmm, did Ellipsis and ckknight die in that hotel room or what? |
| 00:34.37 | xyu | ugh, we lost our bear mount by 30 some seconds |
| 00:34.39 | zournyqu | hmm proximo2 has the texture in its folder its very odd oO |
| 00:35.32 | p3lim | [dRaCo] i cant talk in pm's, not registred :p |
| 00:35.38 | [dRaCo] | ... |
| 00:35.44 | Pkekyo| | nublet ;> |
| 00:35.44 | p3lim | hehe :D |
| 00:35.44 | [dRaCo] | aight, got that so far? |
| 00:35.48 | p3lim | yeah i got that |
| 00:36.06 | Orionshock | question, wrt 2.4 combat log, i saw somewhere we'd be able to do tooltip:SetUnit?("unit:GUID") this true? |
| 00:36.35 | Pkekyo| | bollocks...2am |
| 00:37.03 | p3lim | [dRaCo] thanks mate |
| 00:37.15 | [dRaCo] | save, restart |
| 00:37.26 | [dRaCo] | should work if nns isn't screwing with stuff like that |
| 00:38.13 | p3lim | trying, brb |
| 00:38.56 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: yes and no |
| 00:39.45 | Orionshock | Arrowmaster: explain? |
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| 00:42.37 | Arrowmaster | well we were getting tooltip:SetHyperlink("unit:GUID"), but i said something and somebody posted it on the wow forums and bliz decided in the middle of the night that it wasnt going to say 100% functional of what it was then |
| 00:42.49 | Arrowmaster | damn irc client lockup |
| 00:43.09 | Orionshock | hummm..... |
| 00:43.14 | Orionshock | do we get HP from it? |
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| 00:43.50 | Arrowmaster | well we were getting a constantly updating healthbar without a unitid reference to it |
| 00:44.00 | p3lim | didnt work |
| 00:44.18 | Orionshock | buffs / debuffs anything else? |
| 00:44.26 | Pkekyo| | ~fail [dRaCo]/p3lim :P |
| 00:44.27 | purl | [dRaCo]/p3lim :P: Fail. |
| 00:45.56 | p3lim | how do i register -.- |
| 00:46.02 | Arrowmaster | Orionshock: it was just a default unit tooltip, but i dont know what unitid, name = tooltip:GetUnit() was returning because i never tested it |
| 00:46.06 | Pkekyo| | have a chat with the bot? |
| 00:46.12 | Pkekyo| | can't remember it's name |
| 00:46.18 | Stanzilla | p3lim: /msg nickserv register pwd email |
| 00:46.23 | Pkekyo| | ah, nickserv |
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| 00:46.53 | Orionshock | humm... |
| 00:47.04 | Orionshock | might be worthwhile testing on the ptr later... |
| 00:47.13 | p3lim | good luck getting a character over tho |
| 00:47.23 | Pkekyo| | this analysis is going literally tits up... |
| 00:48.49 | p3lim | i did that Stanzilla, still cant talk in PM |
| 00:49.08 | Stanzilla | /ns identify password ? |
| 00:49.16 | Kuja^ | p3lim: lies :P |
| 00:49.36 | Kuja^ | /nickserv the server doesn't want /ns |
| 00:49.53 | p3lim | ./ns works |
| 00:49.57 | Stanzilla | Kuja^: lies |
| 00:50.03 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.04 | Kuja^ | not for me |
| 00:50.12 | p3lim | but it says Password Incorrect |
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| 00:50.22 | Kuja^ | then you fail |
| 00:50.26 | p3lim | -.- |
| 00:50.41 | p3lim | brb |
| 00:52.13 | *** join/#wowace p3lim (n=p3lim@084202208125.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 00:53.08 | p3lim | stupid scripts |
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| 00:55.51 | Pkekyo| | :> |
| 00:56.14 | p3lim | cant get this registration thing to work neither.. am i supposed to get some mail? |
| 00:56.41 | Stanzilla | no |
| 00:58.09 | Kuja^ | uhm you don't need to secify an email on freenode |
| 00:58.30 | Kuja^ | so if you did its (possibly) part of you password now :P |
| 00:58.51 | p3lim | "The nickname [p3lim] is already registered" |
| 00:59.15 | p3lim | looks like it worked, but i can still not talk in pm's |
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| 01:00.14 | p3lim | hm... |
| 01:00.57 | kebinusan | can someone with permission to edit .sh files on the svn fix pt3lod.sh line 17 has a typo thats pretty obvious |
| 01:01.09 | kebinusan | in LibPeriodicTable-3.1 |
| 01:03.04 | WobWork | p3lim: that name is already registered to someone else |
| 01:03.19 | p3lim | someone else? |
| 01:03.21 | WobWork | unless you are help@062016202010.customer.alfanett.no |
| 01:03.34 | p3lim | hm alfanett.. not sure |
| 01:03.56 | p3lim | its my region.. could be that i registered here ages ago, dunno |
| 01:04.29 | Kuja^ | WobWork: he is |
| 01:04.29 | p3lim | yeah its me |
| 01:04.52 | p3lim | any chance to reset it or something? |
| 01:04.54 | Ellipsis | who else would want such a silly nick :P |
| 01:05.02 | p3lim | aw shut it :p |
| 01:05.04 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 01:05.08 | p3lim | my nick is cool |
| 01:05.09 | WobWork | the password? |
| 01:05.14 | p3lim | yeah |
| 01:05.15 | Ellipsis | you can probably get an oper to drop it for you so you can re-register |
| 01:05.33 | Pkekyo| | oh hai Ellipsis, you didn't die after all? |
| 01:05.47 | WobWork | yeah, you'll have to ask an op to reset it |
| 01:05.52 | Ellipsis | Pkekyo|: where did you hear about that?! I thought I was doing so well covering up my zombiehood |
| 01:05.59 | p3lim | hm |
| 01:06.17 | p3lim | any active op right now? |
| 01:06.27 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: I didn't |
| 01:06.55 | p3lim | lol! i guessed my pw |
| 01:07.05 | p3lim | but that must have been like 3 years ago |
| 01:07.15 | Kuja^ | p3lim: 12 weeks actually |
| 01:07.25 | p3lim | o.O |
| 01:07.29 | Kuja^ | [02:05:51] NickServ [NickServ@services.]: Registered: 12 weeks (2h 3m 15s) ago |
| 01:07.33 | WobWork | grats =P |
| 01:07.33 | WobWork | Now don't forget it |
| 01:07.33 | WobWork | You registered 12 weeks ago |
| 01:07.51 | p3lim | that is.. december? |
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| 01:08.20 | p3lim | weird.. cant remember that.. must have been drunk |
| 01:09.12 | sag_ich_nicht | sup Ellipsis |
| 01:09.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Kael'thas down, got T5 chest |
| 01:09.20 | sag_ich_nicht | :> |
| 01:09.33 | Pkekyo| | gz nub |
| 01:09.50 | p3lim | class? |
| 01:09.55 | p3lim | if it rogues it sucks |
| 01:09.59 | Ellipsis | grats sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:10.13 | sag_ich_nicht | now we need to kill vashj :( |
| 01:10.18 | Stanzilla | gz sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:10.27 | p3lim | gl :p |
| 01:10.50 | [dRaCo] | you downed kael but not vashj? o0 |
| 01:10.54 | sag_ich_nicht | yupp |
| 01:10.56 | sag_ich_nicht | so what |
| 01:11.03 | p3lim | so did we |
| 01:11.08 | sag_ich_nicht | get out with your "vashj is easier" talk |
| 01:11.09 | sag_ich_nicht | it's bullshit |
| 01:11.11 | p3lim | kael is much easier than vashj |
| 01:11.52 | [dRaCo] | sag_ich_nicht: sure, everyone with another opinion than yours is talking bs, we all got it. |
| 01:12.30 | WobWork | sag_ich_nicht: grats on the Kael |
| 01:12.38 | sag_ich_nicht | [dRaCo]: no |
| 01:12.50 | Ellipsis | no, sag_ich_nicht is bs |
| 01:12.50 | sag_ich_nicht | [dRaCo]: my point is that "vashj is easier" is exactly that |
| 01:12.55 | sag_ich_nicht | an opinion |
| 01:12.59 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 01:13.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis ur doin it rong |
| 01:13.06 | sag_ich_nicht | ~emulate sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:13.06 | purl | because i am retarded |
| 01:13.11 | sag_ich_nicht | see? |
| 01:14.44 | m4rku5 | sag_ich_nicht kael is harder |
| 01:15.10 | Pkekyo| | fucksake, I'm so sleepy I can't even find my own mouth |
| 01:16.14 | p3lim | :D |
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| 01:20.21 | kebinusan | anyone on with permission to edit batch files and shell scripts on the svn |
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| 01:22.57 | exor674 | why is Recount running spells throguh Babble-Zone? |
| 01:23.36 | Antiarc | Probably zone buffs? I dunno. |
| 01:28.14 | nymbia | kebinusan: what ya need |
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| 01:28.56 | Hell-Razor | anybody know of an addon that will show the players / targets hp in the normal wow unit frames? |
| 01:29.13 | durcyn | MobHealth3_BlizzardFrames |
| 01:30.15 | Ellipsis | default UI |
| 01:31.50 | vhaarr | depends what he means |
| 01:31.59 | vhaarr | Hell-Razor: if you just want percent values, the default UI is enough |
| 01:32.10 | vhaarr | if you want actual mob HP numbers, you need MH |
| 01:32.33 | Ellipsis | at the very least, default UI can do player's HP just fine :) |
| 01:33.04 | vhaarr | it should do mob HP as well, what does it matter if we know the HP or not |
| 01:33.07 | Hell-Razor | vhaarr, no not percent values but actual hp numbers |
| 01:33.13 | vhaarr | for raid bosses, we know it after the first kill anyway |
| 01:33.21 | vhaarr | Hell-Razor: then you need mobhealth |
| 01:33.50 | Hell-Razor | kk ty |
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| 01:42.22 | p3lim | hm |
| 01:43.48 | Orionshock | ptr client phook'ed :( |
| 01:43.55 | p3lim | is there a way to change the font on mirc? |
| 01:44.11 | Ellipsis | tools->font? |
| 01:44.35 | [dRaCo] | they moved that to view->font, iirc |
| 01:44.36 | [dRaCo] | but yes |
| 01:44.39 | p3lim | cant see any "font" there |
| 01:44.42 | Ellipsis | eh, whatever |
| 01:44.53 | Ellipsis | I didn't know they even added a view menu |
| 01:44.58 | p3lim | lol |
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| 01:45.21 | Ellipsis | I like mah old version, sploits and all :P |
| 01:45.57 | CIA-9 | 03tawerner * r63418 10FuBar_FarmerFu/ (FarmerFu.lua FuBar_FarmerFu.toc embeds.xml libs/): |
| 01:45.57 | CIA-9 | FuBar_FarmerFu: |
| 01:45.57 | CIA-9 | - LibPeriodicTable-3.1 (PeriodicTable-3.0 just got deleted) |
| 01:45.57 | CIA-9 | - embeds.xml |
| 01:46.34 | Orionshock | anyone got an MD5 hash of the orignional ptr patch? |
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| 01:47.01 | Ellipsis | the what ptr patch? |
| 01:47.11 | Orionshock | WoW-2.3.3.7799-to-0.4.0.7897-enUS-patch |
| 01:49.07 | Orionshock | mine keeps crashing on open |
| 01:49.16 | xyu | wtb "Equipment" bags. Size: 28+ ^-^ i need more space! |
| 01:50.00 | p3lim | i carry 1 set, which is on me.. cant see what all the fuzz is about |
| 01:50.16 | p3lim | i have like 80 slots free at almost any time |
| 01:51.05 | Orionshock | rogue? |
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| 01:52.04 | Nandini | i usually have a tanking set, a dps set, a feral pvp set, and a resto pvp set with me at all times, and most of those have at least 14-16 unique items |
| 01:52.31 | Nandini | but i do a lot of world pvp, so i suppose i wouldn't normally carry both those pvp sets if i only pvp'ed in BGs or arenas |
| 01:53.46 | sacarasc | i need more bag space too... |
| 01:54.02 | sacarasc | i'm just disorganised and a hoarder though |
| 01:55.46 | Ellipsis | I have one set of gear. I wear it. |
| 01:56.29 | Ellipsis | I do carry around a riding crop and a fishing pole though! |
| 01:56.31 | sacarasc | i have dps gear, healing gear, about 20 quest items i'm too lazy to hand in and a bunch of crap |
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| 01:57.59 | Orphis | Hi |
| 01:58.45 | Orphis | I've been searching for a long time some information about ArkInventory and either I suck or it is really well hidden |
| 01:59.12 | Orphis | How do you add a f****** new empty row in arkinventory ? |
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| 02:01.38 | penguin | we should get a mount bag like the key bag lol |
| 02:02.26 | Ellipsis | how many mounts do you have? o.O |
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| 02:02.52 | penguin | like 8 |
| 02:03.00 | penguin | but one is in my spell book >< |
| 02:03.08 | Orphis | Can anyone help me with arkinventory ? |
| 02:03.13 | sacarasc | i have level 40, level 60, 2 flying and a pvp one |
| 02:03.30 | sacarasc | and i want more! |
| 02:03.33 | penguin | omg >< its Ellipsis ><.. must remember what I wanted to ask you |
| 02:03.42 | Hell-Razor | anybody know if its possible to shrink the entire main wow bar after you have the interface to its minimum? |
| 02:03.54 | Gagorian | penguin: Did it involve whips and chains? |
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| 02:04.41 | CIA-9 | 03benumbed * r63419 10DaPortrait/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:04.41 | CIA-9 | DaPortrait: |
| 02:04.41 | CIA-9 | - Rewrote a lot of the code |
| 02:04.59 | penguin | Epic Flying, ENG Epic Flying, all 4 pvp mounts, AV Mount, Gnome Gold Mount, Rapter |
| 02:05.10 | penguin | so.. 9bag slots |
| 02:05.33 | Ellipsis | I have one mount in my bags (epic flyer) and one in my bank (non-epic flyer) |
| 02:05.50 | penguin | I am one of those cool people with a random mount macro lol |
| 02:05.57 | sacarasc | stupid lock or pally |
| 02:06.03 | Ellipsis | I'm not sure I'd call those "cool people" |
| 02:06.09 | Ellipsis | lol |
| 02:06.28 | Ellipsis | I may be a lock, but that doesn't mean I'm stupid |
| 02:06.29 | Bruners | would aspect of the beast overwrite the effect of hunter's mark (enemy shown on minimap) ? |
| 02:07.18 | penguin | I have no idea what you are asking |
| 02:08.53 | Orphis | Aspect of the beast should prevent the hunter to show on the minimap |
| 02:09.00 | penguin | so is having a paladin and a priest on your account but not actuly having any healers cool? |
| 02:09.27 | Orphis | But the hunter's mark makes the affected player to show on the minimap |
| 02:10.12 | Orphis | So, can anyone help me with arkinventory here or are you just ignoring me ? |
| 02:10.47 | penguin | I don't even know what arkinventory is |
| 02:10.57 | penguin | well... I mean.. I can assume what it is by the name |
| 02:10.58 | penguin | but you know |
| 02:11.22 | Orphis | Phew, I thought no one was actually ready me |
| 02:11.28 | Orphis | *reading |
| 02:12.13 | penguin | I hate shadow priests.. so UP |
| 02:13.10 | Ellipsis | I like shadow priests |
| 02:13.19 | Ellipsis | but maybe that's just because they boost my dps |
| 02:14.15 | penguin | lol |
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| 02:19.07 | Bruners | Orphis: just tested it, it removes the dot on the minimap |
| 02:19.23 | Bruners | what a good aspect |
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| 02:22.12 | Ellipsis | so I just realized I had a dream last night, in which I had reached the level of gear I needed to respec destruction for raiding |
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| 02:22.32 | Ellipsis | all I remember is being really really bored of spamming shadowbolts...actually I think it may have been more of a nightmare |
| 02:22.48 | WobWork | It, however does not remove the honking great arrow above you |
| 02:22.52 | Bruners | spamming bolts as destruction or? |
| 02:22.53 | exor674 | aren't destro. locks fire, though? :P |
| 02:23.09 | Bruners | nope |
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| 02:23.47 | Ellipsis | yeah, in the dream I respsecced and hated it |
| 02:24.07 | Ellipsis | and no exor674, fire locks are for fail and pvp |
| 02:24.19 | Bruners | aspect of the beast should get a fade ability or something |
| 02:24.33 | Stanzilla | one of our locks was fire and did really good dps |
| 02:24.42 | Antiar1 | Aspect of the Beast should make Beast Lore castable on hunters |
| 02:24.42 | Stanzilla | in bt/mh |
| 02:25.07 | exor674 | heh, then I guess the only destro locks I've grouped with suck haha |
| 02:25.25 | exor674 | I've been in PUGs with a warlock who only spammed their fire spells haha |
| 02:25.52 | Ellipsis | Stanzilla: yeah, and I'm sure you've seen a balance druid dps pretty well too. that doesn't mean it's a good spec :P |
| 02:25.56 | Bruners | if you dont have imp shadowbolts in destruction i guess incinerate would be better? |
| 02:26.01 | WobWork | boomkin ftw! |
| 02:26.07 | sdouble | exor674, people argue that firelocks are awesome |
| 02:26.11 | Stanzilla | Ellipsis: yeah but it works for certain people |
| 02:26.12 | WobWork | I'm levelling a boomkin |
| 02:26.43 | Corgan | DURIDS R 4 HEELZ |
| 02:26.43 | Ellipsis | Stanzilla: sure. smart people can do good dps no matter what they play (well, except a holy paladin) |
| 02:26.45 | WobWork | antiar1: I love casting beast lore on feral druids |
| 02:26.52 | WobWork | It confuses them so much |
| 02:26.57 | Corgan | lol |
| 02:27.00 | Stanzilla | Ellipsis: yup |
| 02:27.06 | WobWork | Corgan: No no, you have it all wrong |
| 02:27.25 | Corgan | WobWork, my main is a moonkin :D |
| 02:28.08 | Bruners | WobWork: can you cast scare beast on a druid? |
| 02:28.37 | WobWork | You are misquoting the Great Prophet Alamo =( |
| 02:29.21 | Corgan | Bruners, you can. |
| 02:29.26 | Corgan | or, could |
| 02:29.33 | Corgan | unless something changed, you still can |
| 02:29.42 | WobWork | SUM DURIDS IS MOON KIN |
| 02:29.42 | WobWork | Bruners: yes |
| 02:29.42 | WobWork | 1) Them 1s is look all funny liek maybe form MOON! LOL! |
| 02:29.42 | WobWork | 2) mostly uh moonkin is 4 a spam moonfare |
| 02:29.42 | WobWork | 3) them haf sum good armors & fite storng. |
| 02:29.52 | sdouble | I think I'll try taming a druid of the opposing faction |
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| 02:30.18 | vithos | is there a slash command to open WoW's Esc menu? |
| 02:30.18 | Corgan | moonfare trinket is 4 moonfare spam |
| 02:30.30 | Bruners | moonkins could boost mage/lock dps tho |
| 02:30.44 | Bruners | but better to have him heal them :P |
| 02:30.56 | WobWork | You can |
| 02:30.56 | WobWork | it works on Ghostwolf form too |
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| 02:31.44 | durcyn | vithos: ToggleGameMenu(); , only works if you have no target |
| 02:31.56 | WobWork | I just like the fact you can hotswap the relics depending on what spell you're casting |
| 02:32.03 | Corgan | ^ |
| 02:32.55 | WobWork | for boomkin |
| 02:36.14 | Hell-Razor | anybody know if its possible to shrink the entire main wow bar after you have the interface to its minimum? |
| 02:37.09 | WobWork | Sure. |
| 02:37.16 | WobWork | Make sure you're in a rolly style chair |
| 02:37.23 | WobWork | hold onto both arm rests |
| 02:37.28 | WobWork | and kick back firmly from the desk |
| 02:37.45 | WobWork | Given enough leeway, you should notice the entire interface shrinking |
| 02:37.57 | Hell-Razor | heh |
| 02:38.00 | Hell-Razor | im just talkin the main bar though |
| 02:38.11 | vithos | durcyn: thanks |
| 02:38.13 | WobWork | You may have to squint then. |
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| 02:39.59 | WobWork | You might try using SetScale |
| 02:40.26 | CIA-9 | 03tawerner * r63420 10FuBar_AlchemyFu/ (FuBar_AlchemyFu.lua FuBar_AlchemyFu.toc embeds.xml libs/): |
| 02:40.26 | CIA-9 | FuBar_AlchemyFu: |
| 02:40.26 | CIA-9 | - LibPeriodicTable-3.1 (PeriodicTable-3.0 just got deleted) |
| 02:40.27 | CIA-9 | - embeds.xml |
| 02:40.27 | CIA-9 | - all files converted to UTF8-Signature |
| 02:40.59 | WobWork | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetScale |
| 02:40.59 | WobWork | Other than that, there's no ingame method aside from another addon |
| 02:41.40 | Hell-Razor | im looking for an addon |
| 02:42.08 | WobWork | no idea offhand then |
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| 02:44.01 | Megalon | hm |
| 02:44.58 | Megalon | Capping estimates wrong on close ab battles? |
| 02:45.13 | Megalon | capping estimated 1990 - 2000, but it ended 2000 - 1990 :x |
| 02:45.15 | Primer | Some WAU update is breaking my UI |
| 02:45.39 | Hell-Razor | sucks |
| 02:45.39 | Hell-Razor | =P |
| 02:45.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Primer: please stop using WAU if you can't deal with it on your own/at least kind of debug from where your problem is coming from |
| 02:45.57 | sag_ich_nicht | thank you |
| 02:45.58 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 02:46.08 | Primer | I'm actually using JWU |
| 02:46.32 | Primer | the problem is not WAU/JWU, it's something that's being updated |
| 02:46.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Primer I know |
| 02:46.50 | sag_ich_nicht | same applies tho |
| 02:46.59 | sag_ich_nicht | if you can't deal with using beta addons, stop using beta addons. |
| 02:47.12 | Primer | I had to roll back to a known good AddOns directory from another box |
| 02:47.17 | Hell-Razor | damnnn Primer you got shutdown =P |
| 02:48.15 | Primer | I only wish I knew 1) what addon is doing the thing that is breaking (namely, placing a bubble of a unit on the mouse on mouseover instead of the "normal" static place) and 2) what update is breaking it |
| 02:48.34 | Primer | Hell-Razor: eh? |
| 02:48.38 | Hell-Razor | m, |
| 02:48.39 | Hell-Razor | nm |
| 02:49.52 | ulic | cowtip or tinytip maybe? |
| 02:50.10 | Primer | I suppose it could be tinytip |
| 02:50.21 | Primer | since I have no cowtip |
| 02:50.55 | ulic | I'd start by disabling all tooltip related addons, see if everything is ok, then turn them back on one at a time |
| 02:51.18 | ulic | and there are lots of addons that modify the tooltip |
| 02:51.19 | Hell-Razor | tinytip is awsome |
| 02:51.42 | Primer | it's definitely tinytip |
| 02:52.39 | ulic | see that wasn't so hard :) Just try older version, or maybe TinyTip2 or something. I don't use TinyTip, so I can't suggest a good build/version. |
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| 02:53.10 | Primer | didn't realize there was a tinytip 2 |
| 02:53.58 | ulic | like I said, I don't know the state of those mods, so I can't advise your best choice of action. |
| 02:56.18 | Hell-Razor | Primer, im using a better addon by the same author as tinytip just dont remember the name atm |
| 02:56.29 | WobWork | Thrae's? |
| 02:56.41 | Hell-Razor | Primer, tiptac |
| 02:57.22 | Hell-Razor | im just looking for addons now that do things to the blizzard main ui |
| 02:57.36 | Hell-Razor | like there was one mod but i dont remember the name that would hide some of the mini map buttons |
| 02:57.42 | Hell-Razor | like the zoom in/out the daylight sign |
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| 03:00.17 | CIA-9 | 03tawerner * r63421 10FuBar_AlchemyFu/ (FuBar_AlchemyFu.lua FuBar_AlchemyFu.toc): |
| 03:00.17 | CIA-9 | FuBar_AlchemyFu: |
| 03:00.17 | CIA-9 | - Correct mistake in TOC |
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| 03:01.41 | Kuja^ | for what reason would the powerbar addon disappear? the addion is enabled of course |
| 03:01.49 | Kuja^ | pitbull that is |
| 03:01.55 | RaydenUni | any of the bosses in ZA other than akil'zon require only 1 tank? |
| 03:02.03 | RaydenUni | or are they all 2 tank fights? |
| 03:03.50 | ulic | Kuja^: maybe it got disabled or something? |
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| 03:04.52 | Kuja^ | if so? how to enable that again? Oo |
| 03:04.54 | Megalon | RaydenUni: zul'jin also only needs one tank and i think dragonhawk |
| 03:04.59 | Ellipsis | Kuja^: on all frames or just some of them? |
| 03:05.09 | Kuja^ | on all yeah |
| 03:05.17 | Ellipsis | go into the pitbull options, modules menu |
| 03:05.20 | Ellipsis | make sure it's checked there |
| 03:05.39 | ulic | oh there, next to ckknight, Ellipsis is the pitbull guru |
| 03:05.44 | kebinusan | nymbia: libperiodictable-3.1 has a typo on line 17 of the shell script |
| 03:05.51 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 03:05.58 | ckknight | I trained her well |
| 03:06.01 | Kuja^ | ahh thanks :D |
| 03:06.22 | Ellipsis | you did not |
| 03:06.29 | Ellipsis | I'm horribly disobedient |
| 03:06.38 | Ellipsis | clearly you need to put me on a leash :P |
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| 03:07.50 | Megalon | freak on a leash |
| 03:09.40 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63422 10CraftyGnome/CraftyGnome.lua: CraftyGnome: Hide !next whispers properly. |
| 03:10.27 | CIA-9 | 03nymbia * r63423 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/pt3lod.sh: |
| 03:10.27 | CIA-9 | LibPeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 03:10.27 | CIA-9 | - Typo fix, thanks kebinusan |
| 03:22.49 | chiper | wow, that was really cool |
| 03:23.00 | chiper | I just watched the new stargate movie, Ark of Truth |
| 03:24.06 | chiper | quite possibly a perfect conclusion to the story arc |
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| 03:36.10 | aestil | Ellipsis: you are a freaky little girl aren't you. |
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| 03:37.11 | CIA-9 | 03nemes * r63424 10NShakedown/Addons/SorrenTimers.lua: |
| 03:37.11 | CIA-9 | NShakedown: |
| 03:37.11 | CIA-9 | - SorrenTimers: remove debug |
| 03:37.11 | CIA-9 | - SorrenTimers: fix error with nonexistent anchors |
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| 03:48.26 | Thorgard_ | chiper, really? |
| 03:48.42 | chiper | very enjoyable |
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| 03:48.59 | chiper | its painful not having anyone to talk to about it |
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| 03:52.49 | Chaud | I watched that movie a few weeks ago |
| 03:52.56 | Chaud | well, the workprint that was upped =\ |
| 03:53.15 | Lukian | same :) |
| 03:53.31 | Chaud | It only made me wish they continued SG-1 |
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| 03:54.33 | chiper | workprint, meaning the graphics wernt done? |
| 03:55.06 | DARKGuy | hey, anybody using Bartender3? I have a warrior and I want to have Bar #1 to page to Page 1 on Battle Stance, Page 2 on Defensive and Page 3 on Berserk, while also keeping the other bars (yes, I use all 10) untouched. I set the Bar1's paging (standard) to Page1 in Battle, Page2 in Defensive and Page3 in Berserk, but when I put any skill on Page2 or Page3, it's seen in Bar2 and Bar3! Is there any way to avoid that behaviour? |
| 03:55.51 | Chaud | It was missing a few effects, and some post processing, but mostly complete |
| 03:56.13 | chiper | was the terminator moment done? that blew me away |
| 03:56.14 | Zhinjio | Darkguy: paging requires barspace. you don't get it for free. if you want to use paging, it has to occupy a "bar" to switch to. |
| 03:56.29 | Zhinjio | so no, there isn't a way |
| 03:56.44 | Chaud | why would a warrior have all the other bars filled =\ |
| 03:56.51 | chiper | the music was just so perfect. I want to hug Joel Goldsmith |
| 03:57.09 | DARKGuy | Zhinjio, ah, I thought every bar had a different page set, not that page = bar |
| 03:57.18 | Zhinjio | nope |
| 03:57.27 | DARKGuy | Zhinjio, so I must hide bar2 and bar3 if I want to use page2 and page3 in bar1 right? |
| 03:57.37 | Zhinjio | you don't have to hide them. |
| 03:57.40 | Zhinjio | but ... yeah |
| 03:58.27 | Chaud | Why would you leave them visible =\ |
| 03:58.37 | DARKGuy | it'd be pointless =p |
| 04:04.25 | NeoTron | man I just realized I can't, err, realize some of the most "fancy" features of my addon until 2.4 |
| 04:06.31 | Chaud | Such as? |
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| 04:10.57 | Cryect | hmmm what addon is this NeoTron? |
| 04:16.01 | NeoTron | MagicMarker |
| 04:16.27 | NeoTron | I want to build a priority list based on mobs to select the targets (based on priority and CC-availability) and then mark them accordingly |
| 04:16.39 | NeoTron | it can't work accurately on live if there's more than one mob with the same name |
| 04:17.15 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/tmp/magic3.jpg http://eongames.com/tmp/magic4.jpg |
| 04:17.18 | Cryect | it kinda can as long as there is always someone targeting the mobs you want |
| 04:17.37 | Cryect | be a real painthough |
| 04:18.02 | NeoTron | well I don't think I'll put TOO much effort into it |
| 04:18.04 | Chaud | melee on 1? |
| 04:18.38 | Chaud | *auto-attack |
| 04:19.07 | NeoTron | Scenario: I have 2xChampion and 2xBreakers (obviously fake name). Champion is high pri tank, breakers medium priority |
| 04:19.26 | NeoTron | I want champion 1&2 to get skull/star and breaker 1/2 to get triangle/circle (for example) |
| 04:19.38 | NeoTron | this is easy as hell with UnitGUID |
| 04:19.57 | Cryect | well you can only mark things people have targeted |
| 04:20.03 | NeoTron | that is not what my addon does |
| 04:20.08 | Cryect | Oh? |
| 04:20.10 | NeoTron | it marks so people know what to target |
| 04:20.16 | Cryect | well... |
| 04:20.19 | Cryect | then you can do it fine |
| 04:20.22 | Cryect | thats what I said |
| 04:20.30 | Cryect | you can only mark things that are targetted |
| 04:20.49 | NeoTron | that doesn't 1) solve anything, 2) do what it should :P |
| 04:20.53 | Cryect | yes it does |
| 04:20.59 | Cryect | once you mark something |
| 04:21.00 | NeoTron | first of all I don't know if raid member A and B targets the same or different mobs |
| 04:21.02 | Cryect | it now is uniquely id |
| 04:21.06 | Cryect | yes you do |
| 04:21.10 | Cryect | there is unit commands for that |
| 04:21.16 | NeoTron | once you mark something there's a signiicant lag until I can mark something else |
| 04:21.30 | NeoTron | I mean a lag until I can see that it is marked |
| 04:21.52 | Yssaril | NeoTron: am i gonna assume it can be "programmed" on the fly so if you see a pull never before seen and you figure it out you can set priority/ccmethods and it will save them for future use? |
| 04:21.52 | NeoTron | I CAN remark |
| 04:22.05 | NeoTron | Yssaril: correct |
| 04:22.15 | CIA-9 | 03ellipsis * r63425 10PitBull/Aura/Options.lua: PitBull_Aura: allow weapon buffs to be enabled/disabled for any frame, nost just player. |
| 04:22.18 | Cryect | !api UnitIsUInt |
| 04:22.19 | NeoTron | see the magic3 screenshot for per-mob config |
| 04:22.20 | WoWLuaircBot | Cryect: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitIsUInt |
| 04:22.20 | Yssaril | NeoTron: wtb 2.4 asap |
| 04:22.37 | NeoTron | !api UnitIsUnit |
| 04:22.37 | WoWLuaircBot | NeoTron: isSame = UnitIsUnit(unit1, unit2); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitIsUnit |
| 04:22.38 | Cryect | !api UnitIsUnit |
| 04:22.39 | WoWLuaircBot | Cryect: I just said that 2s ago. |
| 04:23.14 | Cryect | anyways you can do it basically all now |
| 04:23.15 | NeoTron | I guess the flipside is - do I code "good enough" for 2.3 and then do the real solution in 2.4 |
| 04:23.23 | NeoTron | or go through a lot of extra hassle to do it now |
| 04:23.27 | Cryect | shrug |
| 04:23.32 | NeoTron | and UnitIsUnit doesn't help if I mouse over stuff |
| 04:23.41 | Cryect | I decided months ago to wait months |
| 04:23.43 | NeoTron | I don't want to rely on the raid targeting sutff |
| 04:23.48 | Cryect | You just want to flick your mouse across them all? |
| 04:23.53 | NeoTron | yes |
| 04:23.54 | Yssaril | NeoTron: id wait for 2.4 hoestly no need to screw up and worry about making it work for 2.3 (waste of time imo) |
| 04:24.00 | NeoTron | that is how it works today |
| 04:24.05 | Cryect | really yeah I would just code it for 2.4 |
| 04:24.14 | NeoTron | but it doesn't have priority built in now in the behavior |
| 04:24.35 | Chaud | Code it for 2.4 and make sure people update to it ASAP so it breaks and they get on the forums and complain |
| 04:24.38 | WobWork | wait wait |
| 04:24.44 | WobWork | can you use focus? |
| 04:24.57 | NeoTron | you mean focus something then I mark it? |
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| 04:25.08 | WobWork | focus something then compare it to mouseover target |
| 04:25.11 | NeoTron | don't you need a hardware event to do any targeting? |
| 04:25.21 | WobWork | hm |
| 04:25.23 | WobWork | yes |
| 04:25.24 | NeoTron | well that doesn't really help the usecase |
| 04:25.38 | NeoTron | I think, honestly, 2.4 will be the place where it really works |
| 04:25.41 | WobWork | true |
| 04:25.48 | WobWork | easier to write for 2.4 |
| 04:25.51 | WobWork | than hack for now |
| 04:26.57 | NeoTron | I should make the current "live" version at least use the data from the configuration |
| 04:27.02 | NeoTron | even if I don't use priorities yet |
| 04:29.00 | NeoTron | in 2.4 I can also accurately "free" a used raid market when a mob dies |
| 04:29.02 | NeoTron | that'll be coo |
| 04:29.04 | NeoTron | cool |
| 04:29.43 | NeoTron | question: Is there a way to determine if i'm currently in an instance? |
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| 04:30.30 | Yssaril | NeoTron: you could check if you can get coordinates |
| 04:30.42 | NeoTron | string.sub(UnitGUID("target"), 9, 12) => get the unit ID of a mob |
| 04:30.43 | NeoTron | so nice |
| 04:30.47 | Yssaril | but that would also be true for twistingnether type places |
| 04:35.39 | Yssaril | NeoTron: how about IsInInstance() |
| 04:35.51 | Yssaril | !api IsInInstance |
| 04:35.52 | WoWLuaircBot | Yssaril: inInstance, instanceType = IsInInstance() -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsInInstance |
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| 04:44.38 | Chaud | rofl |
| 04:44.45 | Chaud | I just found the best moonkin ever |
| 04:44.48 | Chaud | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Bonechewer&n=Mimimoocow |
| 04:44.54 | Chaud | Look at his spec choices =\ |
| 04:50.36 | RaydenUni | Intimidating Shout was removed... |
| 04:50.39 | RaydenUni | how do you remove it? |
| 04:50.49 | Chaud | trinket, wotf? |
| 04:50.51 | RaydenUni | no |
| 04:50.55 | RaydenUni | i used it on some mob |
| 04:50.58 | RaydenUni | my combat log said that |
| 04:51.06 | RaydenUni | removed by me |
| 04:51.11 | RaydenUni | i crit it |
| 04:51.15 | RaydenUni | does that have a chance to remove it? |
| 04:51.22 | Antiarc | Any damage removes intim shout |
| 04:51.25 | Antiarc | Even a rend tick |
| 04:51.37 | RaydenUni | then shouldn't it switch me to not auto attack? |
| 04:51.42 | NeoTron | Yssaril: that works |
| 04:51.50 | Antiarc | RaydenUni: It would be nice, but it doesn't |
| 04:52.04 | RaydenUni | so using it to buy time to bandage is useless? |
| 04:52.21 | Antiarc | Just make a /stopattack /cast Intimidating Shout macro |
| 04:52.46 | kenlyric | or just back away |
| 04:52.59 | NeoTron | I have a good way to handle priority marking in 2.3 that's not hard to implement |
| 04:53.25 | NeoTron | just requires multiple sweeps over the targets since things will be remarked |
| 04:55.07 | RaydenUni | wow |
| 04:55.13 | NeoTron | Tank1 = Skull (val=10), 2=Star(val=7). Mouse over a new mob that is to be tanked and has priority 9 => give it star. Next time you mouse over mob2, it'll get the next available target |
| 04:55.16 | RaydenUni | Sweeping Strikes sounds cool |
| 04:55.24 | Antiarc | It's Blade Flurry Light |
| 04:55.38 | RaydenUni | better cooldown |
| 04:55.43 | RaydenUni | and how is it rlight? |
| 04:55.57 | RaydenUni | light |
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| 04:56.21 | Antiarc | It has limited charges |
| 04:56.38 | Antiarc | Whereas a rogue can fire up BF during Heroism with SnD up and get insane effect out of it |
| 04:56.44 | Antiarc | Plus BF has a haste component |
| 04:56.44 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 04:57.44 | Antiarc | SnD + BF puts me at 174% attack speed :D |
| 04:57.51 | RaydenUni | a bunch of sweeping strikes + cleave sounds cool |
| 04:59.34 | RaydenUni | i guess the cooldown offsets it though |
| 04:59.54 | Antiarc | Sweeping Strikes -is- really nice now that it's usable in zerker stance |
| 05:00.06 | RaydenUni | you didnt' use to be able to? |
| 05:00.12 | Antiarc | Not until just recently |
| 05:00.14 | Antiarc | Battle stance only |
| 05:00.26 | RaydenUni | i just switched from arms to fury on my 35 |
| 05:00.28 | RaydenUni | much better |
| 05:00.38 | Antiarc | Fury is worlds better for levelling |
| 05:00.48 | Hobby-home | Anyone remember the command to set screenshot quality? |
| 05:00.50 | RaydenUni | trying some DW right now |
| 05:00.56 | RaydenUni | once i hit 37 i got the 2h axe from SM |
| 05:01.44 | Chaud | /console screenshotFormat tga |
| 05:01.44 | Chaud | /console screenshotQuality 10 |
| 05:02.08 | Chaud | SET screenshotFormat SET screenshotQuality in config.wtf |
| 05:02.10 | haste | tga is always top quality |
| 05:04.21 | Hobby-home | thanks :) |
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| 05:14.52 | Th3Unknown | quality 10 is the highest? |
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| 05:15.00 | Th3Unknown | in screenshotQuality |
| 05:15.38 | Chaud | I press buttons and hope they work =( |
| 05:15.41 | Chaud | Think 3 is default |
| 05:15.52 | Ironhand | is there any addon that can show me the threat table for my Focus? |
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| 05:33.54 | NeoTron | lua> nil or 0 |
| 05:33.55 | lua_bot | NeoTron: 0 |
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| 05:51.00 | Th3Unknown | is there a mod that creates a, maybe blizzard-like, unit frame for your focused target? Preferably one that can show a casting bar for the focused unit |
| 05:51.44 | durcyn | hm, i think the Hadar Focus Frame mod on wowinterface uses the blizzard frame design |
| 05:58.27 | Thorgard_ | Jan'alai needs to go DIAF. |
| 05:59.11 | Yssaril | was wondering if anyoen could look at some code for me http://yssaril.pastey.net/83274 once it is done only the right frame subframe will actually show up |
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| 06:06.54 | Fin | Orionshock: could you please give me a URL to your addon; I think I've downloaded the wrong thing |
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| 06:07.06 | Orionshock | ? |
| 06:07.16 | Orionshock | Fin it's on the files site, that one is the current |
| 06:07.34 | Orionshock | i transfered from google once it stabilized and Ace3 went public beta |
| 06:07.38 | Fin | Orionshock: this is the ui manager thingy, right? |
| 06:07.50 | Orionshock | ? |
| 06:08.03 | Orionshock | me thinks u got me confused |
| 06:08.09 | Fin | in that case my apologies |
| 06:08.11 | Fin | sorry |
| 06:08.17 | Fin | I'll go check my IRC logs |
| 06:08.39 | Orionshock | Fin u mean the "new Ace3 Fubar plugin?" |
| 06:09.16 | Fin | I didn't, no - but, that sounds interesting, what is it? :) |
| 06:09.44 | Orionshock | meh, search forums, been a long debate |
| 06:09.59 | Fin | uhm, OK |
| 06:10.05 | Fin | maybe I will later |
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| 06:11.31 | Kurax | !ap 1219 |
| 06:11.31 | WoWLuaircBot | Kurax: Arena points from a rating of 1219 is, 2v2: 214, 3v3: 248, 5v5: 282 |
| 06:11.39 | Kurax | Dont laugh, not my team.. |
| 06:13.14 | NeoTron | priority marking working like a charm |
| 06:13.15 | NeoTron | woot |
| 06:13.23 | Th3Unknown | !ar 800 |
| 06:13.23 | WoWLuaircBot | Th3Unknown: Arena rating from 800 points is, 2v2: 1999, 3v3: 1897, 5v5: 1826 |
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| 06:14.56 | NeoTron | Trying to make it "reset" all raid marks by setting myself with them all. unfortunately half the time the star remains on me. weird |
| 06:15.21 | NeoTron | it's like every other time SetRaidTarget("player", 0) fails (all other succeed) |
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| 06:47.59 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r63426 10MagicMarker/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 06:47.59 | CIA-9 | MagicMarker: |
| 06:47.59 | CIA-9 | - Implemented smart prioritized marking. |
| 06:47.59 | CIA-9 | - Autolearning of new mobs while marking. |
| 06:47.59 | CIA-9 | - Smart learning/ marking is enabled by holding down the ALT key. |
| 06:48.03 | NeoTron | well, that wasn't very difficult at all. Easy enough that anything more complex probably isn't needed for 2.4 |
| 06:48.20 | NeoTron | 2.4 will make it more accurate though and remove the forced delay between marking things with the same name |
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| 06:49.47 | pastamancer | hrm, adding multiple range-check support to grid and I think I'm going to disable the 28yd check for characters that have a 30yd spell so that melee and healer settings don't conflict in the same profile |
| 06:59.26 | keiss | pastamancer: do you maintain GridStatusHots ? |
| 06:59.50 | pastamancer | I don't have anything to do with the other grid modules |
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| 06:59.56 | keiss | ok |
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| 07:07.39 | theoddone33 | !rating 1671 |
| 07:07.40 | Xinhuan | 1671 rating gives 564(5s), 496(3s) and 428(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 07:07.50 | kebinusan | whats magicmarker do |
| 07:08.12 | kebinusan | hm nm I should l2read |
| 07:08.23 | NeoTron | smart raid marking |
| 07:08.55 | NeoTron | and it's amazing how much more useful it's gotten when you can prioritize targets |
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| 07:19.12 | penguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.23 | penguin | where my hidden blizzard buffs/debuffs sometimes show up |
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| 07:19.35 | penguin | but what happens is they don't update from where they where when they showed up |
| 07:19.44 | penguin | w/e the status of my buffs when they showup, they stay at that |
| 07:19.53 | penguin | and I have to un hide, and rehide to get rid of them |
| 07:20.49 | Ellipsis | sounds like you have multiple addons interfering with each other when it comes to showing/hiding the buffs then |
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| 07:23.39 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: there? |
| 07:23.42 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 07:24.07 | NeoTron | Mind if I use your key binding setting/getting code from Routes/Waypoints? |
| 07:24.26 | Elkano | just dropped in... penguin, which addon do you have problems with? |
| 07:24.28 | Xinhuan | go ahead |
| 07:24.34 | NeoTron | thanks. I'll credit properly. |
| 07:24.43 | Xinhuan | that code is actually from my other addon IPopBar |
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| 07:37.25 | NeoTron | weird, it isn't saving the key bindings correctly |
| 07:37.38 | pastamancer | remind me again what gets called when an addon's profile is changed? |
| 07:38.30 | pastamancer | ah, found it |
| 07:39.42 | NeoTron | It is saved somewhere.. I wonder where |
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| 07:41.22 | NeoTron | I think it helps if I use the right binding names |
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| 07:47.04 | Xinhuan | you might want to check IPopBar ;p |
| 07:47.13 | Xinhuan | fot the binding names |
| 07:47.15 | Xinhuan | its a bit weird |
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| 07:48.12 | Xinhuan | because the method i'm using allows the keybinds to be binded in both ace3 config, as well as in the defult UI's keybindings menus |
| 07:48.41 | CIA-9 | 037destiny * r63427 10oRA2/Leader/MainTank.lua: oRA2: - koKR Update |
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| 07:56.05 | CIA-9 | 03fauks * r63428 10Palatank/: Removed file/folder |
| 08:00.13 | CIA-9 | 03pastamancer * r63429 10Grid/ (GridLocale-enUS.lua GridStatusRange.lua): Grid: revamped range checking to allow for multiple ranges and hopefully protect users who have melee and healers using the same profile. |
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| 08:01.59 | CIA-9 | 03fauks * r63430 10Palatank/: Created folder remotely |
| 08:03.28 | CIA-9 | 03fauks * r63431 10Palatank/ (94 files in 27 dirs): |
| 08:03.28 | CIA-9 | Palatank : |
| 08:03.28 | CIA-9 | 1.3 |
| 08:03.52 | Orionshock | where is the lowest lvl of fishing in outland? |
| 08:04.30 | Ellipsis | zangarmarsh near cenarion refuge |
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| 08:05.25 | basslingo | Wobin, did you ever get that patch i sent you? |
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| 08:11.01 | CIA-9 | 03fauks * r63432 10Palatank/Sounds/RF.mp3: |
| 08:11.01 | CIA-9 | Palatank |
| 08:11.01 | CIA-9 | 1.3 |
| 08:11.01 | CIA-9 | Add sound RF |
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| 08:11.40 | Lukian | PALATANk |
| 08:11.44 | Lukian | does? :o |
| 08:11.50 | pb_ee1 | heya |
| 08:12.15 | Xeth | Hi, i am using recount on german client and got follow error-message: http://ace.pastey.net/83284 |
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| 08:13.16 | basslingo | im lookin for possible cause |
| 08:16.34 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: well I used the wrong "arg" - it's all working now |
| 08:17.03 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 08:17.23 | NeoTron | MAGICMARKER ~= MAGICMARK you see |
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| 08:19.16 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r63433 10MagicMarker/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:19.16 | CIA-9 | MagicMarker: |
| 08:19.16 | CIA-9 | - Added key binding to open config UI. |
| 08:19.16 | CIA-9 | - Added key bindings and option to toggle debug to config UI. |
| 08:19.16 | CIA-9 | - Added brief status information for each zone in the mob database. |
| 08:19.16 | CIA-9 | - Changed config UI layout slightly. |
| 08:19.18 | CIA-9 | - Updated README.txt to match reality. |
| 08:20.04 | CIA-9 | 03ellipsis * r63434 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: PitBull: revert a recent minor change to isolate memory leaks. |
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| 08:22.08 | basslingo | Xeth: Current revision of Recount is r63392 |
| 08:22.19 | basslingo | update and check for it again |
| 08:22.33 | Xeth | i'll try |
| 08:22.55 | basslingo | http://files.wowace.com/Recount |
| 08:24.54 | Thrae | Hmmm...how do people handle profiles? I'm thinking of either doing it per-character or globally. That should be enough. |
| 08:25.10 | pastamancer | plenty for me |
| 08:25.35 | Thrae | So, what does "hat" mean in German? Since it's obviously not a headdress over there. |
| 08:25.38 | pastamancer | I always thought class profiles were a bit odd if you can copy from an existing character's profile |
| 08:25.44 | pastamancer | "has" |
| 08:26.04 | pastamancer | third person |
| 08:26.08 | Thrae | Ah, then this sentence makes more sense. I hate copying text by hand. |
| 08:26.49 | Xeth | basslingo: i am using revision (63392), but ingame it shows 62909 ... wrong entry in recount.lua, i think |
| 08:28.15 | basslingo | yea |
| 08:28.17 | basslingo | line 15 |
| 08:28.22 | basslingo | Recount.Version="$Revision: 62909 $" |
| 08:28.28 | basslingo | never updated -.- |
| 08:28.48 | Thrae | Someone uploaded a version with the revision already in it, heh |
| 08:29.26 | Thrae | Oooo, now I get to learn Spanish. |
| 08:29.34 | basslingo | por que? |
| 08:29.56 | Thrae | "Unit Offset [X]" is "Offset de Unidad [X]". |
| 08:30.08 | basslingo | yup |
| 08:30.34 | basslingo | Xeth, is it still givin that error? |
| 08:31.33 | Thrae | There should be some type of helper association for addon authors that can do simple copy & paste jobs... |
| 08:31.57 | Xeth | sorry, i do not understand you. my english is very bad :( |
| 08:32.13 | basslingo | problem still exists? |
| 08:32.36 | Xeth | i will try to generate this error again |
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| 08:32.52 | basslingo | ok, thanks |
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| 08:34.09 | Xeth | ok, i got it. you want know what i do to generate this error? |
| 08:34.59 | basslingo | ask for the deathlog |
| 08:35.17 | basslingo | thats when it happened the first tiem |
| 08:35.18 | basslingo | time* |
| 08:35.38 | CIA-9 | 03sayclub * r63435 10Grid/GridLocale-koKR.lua: Grid: koKR Update |
| 08:42.58 | pb_ee1 | D'oh, the LZRoster has been chosen for frFR community news on the official website :P |
| 08:45.45 | basslingo | Xeth, do this |
| 08:45.55 | basslingo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.13 | basslingo | make sure it doesnt say data= nil |
| 08:46.49 | basslingo | if it does than we have a problem |
| 08:47.41 | CIA-9 | 03totalpackage * r63436 10Capping/ (11 files in 3 dirs): |
| 08:47.41 | CIA-9 | Capping: |
| 08:47.41 | CIA-9 | - removed the use of PaintChips since CandyBar no longer requires it |
| 08:47.41 | CIA-9 | - updating the color of the timer bars no longer requires a reloadui to take effect |
| 08:47.41 | CIA-9 | - cleaned up wsg code and added enemy carrier's health syncing if out of range |
| 08:47.41 | CIA-9 | - removed AceEvent-2.0, PaintChips-2.0, and SharedMedia-1.0 |
| 08:47.43 | CIA-9 | - added LibStub and LibSharedMedia-2.0 |
| 08:47.47 | CIA-9 | 03neotron * r63437 10MagicMarker/ (Config.lua MagicMarker.lua embeds.xml): MagicMarker: Added support for UnitGUID if present (drycoded) and fixed ordering issue in embeds.xml |
| 08:48.35 | Xeth | i got lot lines in chat |
| 08:48.55 | basslingo | read them and look for one that says data= |
| 08:50.04 | CIA-9 | 03totalpackage * r63438 10Capping/: |
| 08:50.04 | CIA-9 | Capping: |
| 08:50.05 | CIA-9 | - fix externals |
| 08:50.48 | Xeth | i cant see any line says data= |
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| 08:51.13 | basslingo | can you copy paste it to pastey? |
| 08:51.34 | Xeth | i think the first lines chopped |
| 08:51.40 | basslingo | ok |
| 08:51.57 | Xeth | moment, i will use wow function to write it into a file |
| 08:52.03 | basslingo | k |
| 08:52.06 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r63439 10Recount/Recount.lua: |
| 08:52.06 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 08:52.06 | CIA-9 | - Fixed bug with creating owner flags for party pets. |
| 08:55.07 | Xeth | doesn't work with chatlog.txt |
| 08:55.12 | basslingo | k |
| 08:55.16 | basslingo | tpye |
| 08:55.26 | basslingo | type* /dump Recount.data |
| 08:55.36 | basslingo | if it says nil |
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| 08:56.50 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 08:57.16 | Xeth | just a line in chatwindow says "nil" |
| 08:57.19 | basslingo | hmmm i got it too |
| 08:57.43 | basslingo | AddOns\Recount\Recount.lua line 784: |
| 08:57.58 | basslingo | attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'FightNum' (a nil value) |
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| 08:58.55 | basslingo | another on \AddOns\Recount\GUI_Main.lua line 31: attempt to call method 'TooltipFunc' (a nil value) |
| 09:00.26 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.10 | basslingo | neo, the unitguid, is that for telling the diff between two mobs of same name? |
| 09:02.48 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 09:03.04 | basslingo | does Omen have that yet? |
| 09:03.15 | basslingo | if ya know |
| 09:03.17 | NeoTron | PTR version yes |
| 09:03.33 | NeoTron | also has new AoE threat mode, healing mode etc that takes advantage of it |
| 09:03.45 | basslingo | sweet, bout time |
| 09:04.20 | basslingo | well, im off. 2am here got a class at 8:30 -.- |
| 09:05.15 | Xinhuan | clad|away ping |
| 09:09.01 | Orionshock | pastamancer: ping? |
| 09:09.24 | Kalroth | Lots of pinging going on here |
| 09:10.18 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r63440 10Recount2/ (6 files): |
| 09:10.18 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 09:10.18 | CIA-9 | -Adds Miss Types Reflect and Deflect |
| 09:10.18 | CIA-9 | -Adds the initial Table GUI code (is being tested with clicking on the List Frame) |
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| 09:11.48 | pastamancer | Orionshock: ? |
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| 09:11.56 | Elsia | morning |
| 09:11.59 | Orionshock | found an error another has reported. |
| 09:12.14 | pastamancer | hmm? |
| 09:12.20 | Orionshock | http://ace.pastey.net/83286 |
| 09:12.37 | Orionshock | he reported it as an aceEvent glitch, but... never responded |
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| 09:17.26 | Zhinjio | ... |
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| 09:24.43 | keiss | hell , both wau and wau2 crash when they load the ads |
| 09:24.51 | evl | Any known tricks to quickly raise weapon skill? |
| 09:24.56 | nevcairiel | that AceEvent-2.0-56171 (Ace2):305: attempt to call a boolean value happend quite often the last few days |
| 09:25.14 | Zhinjio | evl: read and Int scroll, and fight something that can't hit you too hard. |
| 09:25.32 | [Ammo] | evl: there are mobs that can't die and don't hit hard are ther |
| 09:25.33 | Zhinjio | if you're a pally or warrior ... you can probably use a single mob for about 30 minutes |
| 09:25.38 | keiss | Zhinjio: int doesn't affect the speed u get point in anything anymore afaik |
| 09:25.39 | Grum | evl: after a certain quest you can get 'unkillable mobs' in blasted land of which you can skill |
| 09:25.44 | [Ammo] | evl: yeah |
| 09:25.45 | [Ammo] | those |
| 09:26.01 | evl | ah those |
| 09:26.02 | evl | thanks |
| 09:26.02 | Grum | also +int buff/pots/food/anything helps |
| 09:26.11 | nevcairiel | yeah int buff really helps |
| 09:26.12 | evl | int doesnt help |
| 09:26.15 | nevcairiel | specially as a warrior |
| 09:26.17 | [Ammo] | int helps |
| 09:26.21 | evl | int was removed in 2.1? |
| 09:26.21 | Zhinjio | int helps. |
| 09:26.24 | Grum | int helps |
| 09:26.30 | keiss | proof ? |
| 09:26.32 | Grum | kek, dont question the masses |
| 09:26.38 | Zhinjio | but if you'd rather not do it, then don't. |
| 09:26.38 | keiss | was removed imo |
| 09:26.44 | nevcairiel | try it, it'll really level faster |
| 09:26.51 | nevcairiel | but do what you want =P |
| 09:26.58 | Grum | bring a scroll of int and a draenic wisdom elixir |
| 09:27.00 | evl | Before 2.0, increased the rate at which weapon skills were learned. |
| 09:27.03 | Grum | try without, try with |
| 09:27.10 | evl | http://www.wowwiki.com/Int#Intellect |
| 09:27.16 | keiss | evl: thought so |
| 09:27.37 | nevcairiel | evl: as we said, do what you want, but in my experience it works faster (plus wowwiki is no official 100% right source :P) |
| 09:28.04 | Grum | and who trusts patchnotes? |
| 09:28.09 | Grum | 'we fixed it' .. RIIIGHT ;D |
| 09:28.51 | nevcairiel | anyway, when i leveled weapons with my warrior, a int buff really speeds up the weapon skillling, even if you dont believe it, i dont care really =) |
| 09:29.01 | [Ammo] | argh another abomination on wowace svn |
| 09:29.08 | [Ammo] | what a mess |
| 09:29.17 | [Ammo] | get Ace2 in there all of it, and then don't use it |
| 09:29.18 | [Ammo] | retard |
| 09:29.28 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 09:29.33 | [Ammo] | looks like he copy pasted some addon |
| 09:29.39 | [Ammo] | and "Ace'd" it |
| 09:29.43 | keiss | maybe hes in a transitional period ? |
| 09:30.01 | [Ammo] | then don't call it 1.3 release |
| 09:30.04 | [Ammo] | he's a moron |
| 09:30.06 | keiss | haha |
| 09:30.19 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 09:32.00 | CIA-9 | 03cwdg * r63441 10Prat/Prat_Modules/modules/AltNames.lua: |
| 09:32.00 | CIA-9 | Prat: Module AltNames zhCN update |
| 09:32.00 | CIA-9 | Fin：See SVN changelog r51349 & r51543, Sylvanaar reverted your changes on 51543 due to a missing update before commit. Make sure to have a detailed check before looking for others fault. |
| 09:32.02 | Grum | lets assist and purge? |
| 09:36.35 | CIA-9 | 037destiny * r63442 10PitBull/Aura/Core.lua: |
| 09:36.35 | CIA-9 | PitBull |
| 09:36.35 | CIA-9 | - koKR Update |
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| 09:48.49 | CIA-9 | 03helium * r63443 10Grid/GridLocale-zhTW.lua: Grid: updated zhTW localization |
| 09:53.15 | Orionshock | ?? Players will now be able to purchase level 70 Superior quality PvP items from reputation vendors. |
| 09:53.19 | Orionshock | what does this mean? |
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| 09:55.05 | Nargiddley | the lvl 70 blue hwl/gm sets renamed, needs honored to buy |
| 09:55.24 | ramoz | it sucks hard anyway? |
| 09:55.38 | ramoz | no res on it me thinks |
| 09:55.51 | Nargiddley | it has res |
| 09:56.12 | Nargiddley | http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=742 for example |
| 09:56.48 | ramoz | ah, my bad |
| 09:57.23 | Thrae | Uhh, what are "unit frames" called in Spanish? |
| 09:57.36 | clad|office | Xinhuan: pong |
| 09:57.51 | Xinhuan | this is to do with tomtom progress ;p |
| 09:58.15 | Thrae | Ah, "marcos" means "marks" and "frames" according to Babelfish. |
| 09:58.17 | clad|office | I've been mostly without internet for the course of the week, due to my provider |
| 09:58.23 | Xinhuan | also astrolabe has been "upgraded" to use coroutines which in optionhouse, is showing up to use more CPU/sec than every other addon combined |
| 09:58.34 | Xinhuan | and i think there is cause for concern |
| 09:58.51 | clad|office | Xinhuan: mind joining #tomtom so we dont' spam here? |
| 09:58.55 | Xinhuan | ok |
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| 10:16.36 | theoddone33 | man arena tournament is sounding awesome |
| 10:17.27 | theoddone33 | libram of absolute truth is on the item lis |
| 10:17.28 | theoddone33 | t |
| 10:17.36 | theoddone33 | but in pre-buff form :( |
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| 10:50.29 | CIA-9 | 03kunda * r63444 10Grid/GridLocale-deDE.lua: Grid: deDE update |
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| 10:57.24 | CIA-9 | 03hegarol * r63445 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua: |
| 10:57.24 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 10:57.24 | CIA-9 | - Sunwell update |
| 10:57.28 | CIA-9 | 03hegarol * r63446 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/WorldEvents.en.lua: |
| 10:57.28 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot_WorldLoot: |
| 10:57.28 | CIA-9 | - Lord Ahune added |
| 10:57.35 | CIA-9 | 03hegarol * r63447 10AtlasLoot/TableRegister/ (6 files): |
| 10:57.35 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot: |
| 10:57.35 | CIA-9 | - Lord Ahune added |
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| 11:02.43 | *** topic/#wowace is http://www.wowace.com | http://files.wowace.com/ | http://ace.pastey.net | http://www.lua.org | Ace3 in beta | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | Everything of importance has been said before by somebody who did not discover it. |
| 11:03.11 | CIA-9 | 037destiny * r63449 10Capping/locals/localization-koKR.lua: |
| 11:03.11 | CIA-9 | Capping: |
| 11:03.11 | CIA-9 | - koKR Update |
| 11:07.10 | CIA-9 | 03ensabahnur 07Ace3 * r63450 10HandyNotes/Locales/Locale-deDE.lua: |
| 11:07.10 | CIA-9 | HandyNotes: |
| 11:07.10 | CIA-9 | - add deDE Locale |
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| 11:10.14 | CIA-9 | 03hegarol * r63451 10AtlasLoot_RepFactions/rep.lua: |
| 11:10.14 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot_RepFactions: |
| 11:10.14 | CIA-9 | - New recipes for Scale of Sands |
| 11:13.59 | CIA-9 | 03fieroivan * r63452 10CharacterInfoStorage/ (CharacterInfoStorage.lua CharacterInfoStorage.toc): |
| 11:13.59 | CIA-9 | CharacterInfoStorage |
| 11:13.59 | CIA-9 | - Store all mail attachments instead of just the first one |
| 11:13.59 | CIA-9 | - Bump toc to 2.3 |
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| 11:16.57 | CIA-9 | 03fieroivan * r63453 10CharacterInfo/ (CharacterInfo.lua CharacterInfo.toc): |
| 11:16.58 | CIA-9 | CharacterInfo |
| 11:16.58 | CIA-9 | - When a mail has more than one attachment display them in the tooltip |
| 11:16.58 | CIA-9 | - Bump toc to 2.3 |
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| 11:22.51 | CIA-9 | 03fieroivan * r63454 10MailInfo/ (MailInfo.lua MailInfo.toc): |
| 11:22.51 | CIA-9 | MailInfo |
| 11:22.51 | CIA-9 | - Remove in transit and delivery functions, mail between characters on the same account is instant |
| 11:22.51 | CIA-9 | - Mail with attachments is properly added to recipients mailbox |
| 11:22.51 | CIA-9 | - Bump toc to 2.3 |
| 11:25.15 | CIA-9 | thrae-wow: 03generalmx * r133 10/trunk/ (11 files in 3 dirs): TinyTipOptions: Just posting the localizations I've reformatted so far. Not ready yet. |
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| 11:31.14 | CIA-9 | thrae-wow: 03generalmx * r134 10/trunk/TinyTipBasic/ (StandAloneConfig.lua TinyTipBasic.lua): TinyTipBasic: Added options -- PvPRankText, KeyServer, KeyElite, HideRace, HideNPCType, ReactionText, LevelGuess. Changed Friends to ColourFriends and made it use nil,1,2. Check your StandAloneConfig.lua. |
| 11:31.14 | CIA-9 | thrae-wow: 03generalmx * r135 10/trunk/TinyTipTargets/ (TinyTipTargets.lua StandAloneConfig.lua): TinyTipTargets: Changed all variables to use numbers (nil,1,2,3,etc.) instead of strings. As always, nil is the default. Check your StandAloneConfig.lua. |
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| 11:40.02 | omeow | Hey there. |
| 11:43.44 | omeow | I keep getting an error whenever I click on the guildcontrol button. I narrowed it down to auldlangsyn. |
| 11:43.45 | omeow | http://ace.pastey.net/83290-4az8 |
| 11:44.14 | omeow | I guess I need to register on wowinterface in order to get in contact with the author. |
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| 11:44.24 | sb | morning |
| 11:45.08 | sb | hmm? :o |
| 11:45.32 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r63456 10Bartender4/Bartender4/ (Bartender4.toc Options.lua PetBar.lua PetButton.xml): Bartender4: pet buttons actually work now, using blizzard templates |
| 11:45.54 | Fisker- | [12:43:30] * SunTsu makes Fisker- wave |
| 11:45.54 | Fisker- | :( |
| 11:46.02 | Fisker- | lets all jump nevcairiel |
| 11:46.23 | sb | *sigh* how do you solve 'social' guild problems? :P |
| 11:46.41 | SunTsu | sb: Nuclear bombs? |
| 11:47.00 | sb | our MT wants to have some "main-tank-item-priority" - and everybody thinks that this just sucks :P |
| 11:47.01 | omeow | Nuke the realm from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 11:47.06 | sb | no he is pissed and dont want to raid anymore :o |
| 11:47.17 | Tigerdyr | get a new tank? |
| 11:47.17 | sb | (2nd deftank got illidan shield first....) |
| 11:47.30 | durcyn | tell him to get over himself or leave |
| 11:47.30 | sb | and "1st" is now pissed - and this is sooo annyoing :p |
| 11:47.35 | sb | hehe |
| 11:47.42 | durcyn | tanks aren't special |
| 11:47.42 | Tigerdyr | durcyn: pretty much yea |
| 11:47.49 | SunTsu | sb: Then let him take his time, will soon realize he is acting childish |
| 11:48.07 | sb | he thinks that we wont make any progress with uber-equipped-'main'-tank :o |
| 11:48.11 | sb | errr - without |
| 11:48.28 | SunTsu | Prove him otherwise |
| 11:48.33 | Tigerdyr | he, yes |
| 11:48.50 | sb | well - bt clear, prove by killing gruul? :p |
| 11:48.52 | Tigerdyr | put a couple of dents in his ego - might help him later on as well |
| 11:49.04 | sb | *sigh* :) |
| 11:49.13 | Tigerdyr | no, just continue without him |
| 11:49.24 | nevcairiel | tanks come up with that excuse all the time |
| 11:49.28 | durcyn | tell him you don't have a 26th raid slot available for his ego |
| 11:49.39 | sb | nevcairiel: yup... :o |
| 11:50.03 | SunTsu | sb: Just show him that you can do the same things without him |
| 11:50.03 | nevcairiel | we did that in naxxramas, tanks got t3, mainly because of the set bonus with +hit on taunt for the 4H .. missed taunt was very bad .P |
| 11:50.12 | Tigerdyr | sb, if its any consolation I've just gone through the same albeit for healers and their items. |
| 11:50.36 | nevcairiel | but we decided to not do it in BC because there was no damn reason for it |
| 11:50.47 | sb | well yes, ofc, i need illidan mace first, because its just OP for CoH priest, but nobody listens to me :p |
| 11:51.00 | Tigerdyr | makes no sense why healers would pass on an upgrade, because it has less armor. |
| 11:51.24 | Fisker- | lolwut?` |
| 11:51.26 | Fisker- | LOLWUT?! |
| 11:51.42 | sb | nevcairiel: thats what everybody is thinking, yes - except the tank ofc ;) |
| 11:52.07 | Grum | <sb> well yes, ofc, i need illidan mace first, because its just OP for CoH priest, but nobody listens to me :p <-- i so agree on that |
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| 11:52.16 | nevcairiel | you killed illidan already, so you still have at least 1 maybe 2 month until sunwell .. you get good equip anyway.. :p |
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| 11:52.21 | Grum | you get +20% on a CoH when target is <50% |
| 11:52.27 | Fisker- | We have to pay dkp for ashes of al'ar |
| 11:52.58 | sb | Tigerdyr: its more like one prot. tank or another... but still - it doesnt matter, if first tank is able to tank illidan without that item - there is no reason he needs that damn thing first? |
| 11:53.01 | sb | Grum: i know :o |
| 11:53.06 | omeow | 50 DKP MINUSSSSS >:( |
| 11:53.13 | Fisker- | no u |
| 11:53.28 | sb | nevcairiel: dont tell me... :o |
| 11:53.28 | omeow | 50 DKP MINSSSSS >:( |
| 11:53.39 | nevcairiel | back in AQ our MT wanted us to change raid schedules because he could never be there on wednesdays and we always cleared AQ up to twin emps on wednesday .. we said "shove it" and he quit, we recruited a new one and still killed cthun :P |
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| 11:54.10 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot_BCInstances: |
| 11:54.10 | CIA-9 | - Sunwell update |
| 11:54.26 | Tigerdyr | sb: indeed. |
| 11:54.46 | Tigerdyr | sb: 's just a matter of greediness imo |
| 11:55.00 | nevcairiel | dont even try to please him with a compromisse, he will come around, and if he doesnt, you dont need people like that |
| 11:55.07 | sb | well yes - that shield looks awesome :p |
| 11:55.20 | nevcairiel | a gnome warrior can perfectly hide behind it :D |
| 11:55.24 | Tigerdyr | hehe |
| 11:55.29 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Even worse, if you make a compromise you will soon be making compromises all the time |
| 11:55.36 | Tigerdyr | yep |
| 11:55.40 | nevcairiel | SunTsu: exactly |
| 11:55.42 | sb | well its orc vs. tauren - and tauren got it :p |
| 11:56.14 | nevcairiel | we never made any exception for anyone |
| 11:56.23 | nevcairiel | if their ego was too big, we just let them go |
| 11:56.31 | nevcairiel | most of the time they come around |
| 11:57.09 | nevcairiel | once they notice that you're not dependant on him .. :) |
| 11:58.06 | Tigerdyr | indeed |
| 11:58.34 | Fisker- | I think it's funny we have to pay dkp for the phoenix mount btw |
| 11:58.41 | sb | lol |
| 11:58.45 | sb | that sucks tbh :) |
| 11:58.49 | Fisker- | Not for me |
| 11:58.58 | Fisker- | But i said it had nothing to do with "being an upgrade" |
| 11:59.09 | Fisker- | The others say it's because it's better than regular mounts! |
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| 11:59.35 | sb | everybone saves dkp for that fucking mount :/ |
| 11:59.39 | Fisker- | And i said everyone who participates in raids regularely should be able to get that mount |
| 11:59.41 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 11:59.43 | nevcairiel | that mount is damn ugly |
| 11:59.45 | Fisker- | and then they were like |
| 11:59.46 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt want it |
| 11:59.54 | Fisker- | "But you have the most DKP, why do you want that?" |
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| 12:00.04 | sb | so save dkp = no gear progress = going to have problems later :p |
| 12:00.22 | Fisker- | Err, because i don't run the guild after ones own needs? :o |
| 12:00.32 | Fisker- | Probably the weirdest question i was ever asked |
| 12:00.41 | nevcairiel | we encourage people to even spend dkp on minor upgrades |
| 12:00.47 | sb | nevcairiel: yup |
| 12:00.50 | sb | same here |
| 12:00.56 | nevcairiel | having a mount dkp'ed would defeat the purpose of that entirely :P |
| 12:01.02 | sb | thats why we use EPGP - its just perfect |
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| 12:01.48 | sb | if you spent points regularly you will get more than others saving their priority for 1 special item |
| 12:02.05 | nevcairiel | i wanted to use EPGP but the others didnt like it .. will try to get it in place on next dkp revamp (expansion i guess) |
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| 12:02.09 | Fisker- | I don't mind our DKP system |
| 12:02.15 | SunTsu | We're experiencing the third DKP discussion. The same guys, guild officers, apparently start the same discussion ofer and over which always results in the guild refusing DKP and stick with /random. I wonder if they ever will accept that |
| 12:02.28 | Fisker- | i just said that if you have phoenix mount on DKP you'll see people skipping upgrades just to make sure they can afford it |
| 12:02.34 | nevcairiel | a pure /random based loot system ? :P |
| 12:02.35 | SunTsu | s/ofer/over/ |
| 12:02.38 | nevcairiel | man thats gotta suck |
| 12:02.39 | sb | nevcairiel: we are very happy with epgp |
| 12:02.41 | Fisker- | Heck even i would use all of my DKP on the mount |
| 12:02.53 | Fisker- | I don't need any more loot other than the neck from kael'thas anyways |
| 12:02.57 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: the mount looks like shit on a player |
| 12:02.57 | durcyn | loot council imo |
| 12:03.06 | Fisker- | 310% speed increase > 280% :P |
| 12:03.12 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: No, I don't think so, we're a small guild, we just talk to each other ;) |
| 12:03.13 | nevcairiel | arena dragon imho |
| 12:03.19 | Fisker- | i don't really do arenas |
| 12:03.22 | Fisker- | also i'm a paladin |
| 12:03.40 | sb | so you suck? |
| 12:03.50 | nevcairiel | well i got the arena dragon, so i dont care for the speed bonus |
| 12:03.53 | Fisker- | Paladins are crap in arena imo |
| 12:04.03 | Fisker- | atleast holy paladins are |
| 12:04.19 | sb | not in 5v5 with second healer (shaman) and manaburn-priest :/ |
| 12:04.19 | nevcairiel | yeah no real utilty |
| 12:05.20 | Fisker- | I can't even get to cast a flash of light until i'm locked out for the remainder of the battle |
| 12:05.21 | Fisker- | :< |
| 12:05.40 | Fisker- | And every time i try fake casting i usually end up getting locked out due to lag anyways |
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| 12:07.46 | Grum | how can you possible do loot with just /random |
| 12:08.00 | Fisker- | ? |
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| 12:08.15 | Fisker- | oh |
| 12:08.42 | nevcairiel | if you only do KZ and ZA possibly |
| 12:08.43 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:09.52 | Ellipsis | I've never done loot any other way o.O |
| 12:10.10 | Ellipsis | even back when raids were 40 people instead of just 25... |
| 12:10.22 | nevcairiel | pure random is just unfair |
| 12:10.37 | nevcairiel | people can never attend, then one raid win a very rare item, and be gone for 2 weeks again |
| 12:10.48 | Ellipsis | if they're really lucky, yeah |
| 12:10.56 | Ellipsis | think of it like a lottery...the more raids you attend, the more tickets you get |
| 12:11.02 | Ellipsis | that doesn't guarantee you'll win, but it helps |
| 12:11.19 | Ellipsis | it's perfectly fair imo |
| 12:11.24 | nevcairiel | in dkp -> high attendance -> more points -> i can choose what i get |
| 12:11.30 | keiss | which addon can add possible d/e results to tooltips ? |
| 12:11.55 | Ellipsis | fizzwidget has one |
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| 12:12.14 | Ellipsis | disenchant predictor I believe it's called |
| 12:12.53 | keiss | thx |
| 12:13.27 | Grum | i would get seriously pissed if someone new gets to take loot over someone hwo has been in the guild for ages, helped on every raid, because of a stupid roll |
| 12:13.48 | sylvanaar_work | yeah - same old story |
| 12:14.02 | sylvanaar_work | does that new person need to be in the guild for years before he gets something? |
| 12:14.09 | sylvanaar_work | tough sell |
| 12:14.17 | Ellipsis | I would get seriously pissed if some slacker who had been with the guild forever but was nothing but rude, mean, or just plain lazy got an item over me because he'd been around longer and saved up some arbitrary points :) |
| 12:14.33 | Ellipsis | works both ways Grum :P |
| 12:14.42 | Grum | not really |
| 12:14.45 | SunTsu | sylvanaar_work: And, if you have to rely on randoms, how can you motivate them if they can'r win anything |
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| 12:15.04 | vhaarr | Ellipsis: how can you say that, clearly the other person has put in more effort than you |
| 12:15.09 | vhaarr | so he deserves it more |
| 12:15.12 | Ellipsis | maybe they're just sleeping with the GM |
| 12:15.20 | Grum | DKP should reflect time spend working for the guild |
| 12:15.21 | vhaarr | Ellipsis: then your guild sucks |
| 12:15.22 | Ellipsis | maybe they used to be good but don't care about the game anymore |
| 12:15.28 | SunTsu | Both are to some extend fair. Both have their weeknesses |
| 12:15.37 | nevcairiel | your Raidlead/guildlead should filter out people like that |
| 12:15.42 | vhaarr | what nev says |
| 12:15.49 | vhaarr | I know I filter harshly |
| 12:15.52 | Ellipsis | either way, I think they should have the exact same chance at the loot as I did. we both did our parts to make the boss die. |
| 12:16.03 | vhaarr | no you didn't |
| 12:16.11 | vhaarr | he did more than you |
| 12:16.14 | Ellipsis | not on this boss |
| 12:16.18 | vhaarr | irrelevant |
| 12:16.21 | vhaarr | the long run matters more |
| 12:16.24 | Hobby-home | Not true, say it's Vashj and you had to clear every boss to get there |
| 12:16.26 | Grum | and therefor 'currency' to reap from the benefits (the loot) |
| 12:16.43 | Ellipsis | he did more on the last raid's bosses, and I agree that he should have way more right to those bosses' loot than mine |
| 12:16.59 | vhaarr | Ellipsis: you're wrong, that's just how it is. |
| 12:17.00 | Ellipsis | and, oh wait, he did |
| 12:17.03 | vhaarr | Ellipsis: each boss fight is NOT an isolated incident. |
| 12:17.08 | Ellipsis | each raid is |
| 12:17.10 | vhaarr | the raid needs to learn how to work together |
| 12:17.18 | xyu | I believe there's an addon that estimates a bosses fight length time and puts a bar up or something, anyone remember what this is called? |
| 12:17.18 | Ellipsis | unless you have the EXACT SAME list of attendeeds at EVERY SINGLE RAID |
| 12:17.19 | vhaarr | every individual |
| 12:17.24 | Ellipsis | I see no resaon to treat them as one ongoing process |
| 12:17.31 | vhaarr | Ellipsis: most guilds have 30-odd members now |
| 12:17.36 | Ellipsis | exactly. |
| 12:17.46 | Xinhuan | actually its closer to 40 |
| 12:17.54 | Xinhuan | 9 classes x 4-5 raiders of each class |
| 12:17.58 | vhaarr | right |
| 12:18.04 | nevcairiel | we have 42 raid members or so |
| 12:18.04 | vhaarr | in any case, the player base is stable |
| 12:18.09 | Ellipsis | then again I have no sense of guild loyalty; if I did, I wouldn't care if I had no chance at the loot at all, I'd go and help kill bosses anyway. |
| 12:18.10 | vhaarr | and some sort of rotation system is usually in place |
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| 12:18.17 | SunTsu | vhaarr: so, if you have to rely on randoms to get some raids going, how do you get some if there is nothing in it except repair? |
| 12:18.28 | vhaarr | SunTsu: what the fuck are you on about? |
| 12:18.47 | nevcairiel | if you need randoms to get a raid going .. you need to recruit some more |
| 12:18.56 | nevcairiel | plus, some people come along just to see the content |
| 12:19.07 | sylvanaar_work | well, i'm just saying that having a fixed order for loot means that some people dont get it before the guild moves on to new content |
| 12:19.40 | nevcairiel | there are alot of dkp systems that integrate new members very good |
| 12:20.17 | sylvanaar_work | personally i dont care about loot at all anymore, i just like to raid for fun - but pre tbc i did, and i knew i would never see tier-3, and it was depressing |
| 12:20.18 | Ellipsis | I don't believe that's possible, unless new members get an initial value greater than the average current members, which obviously makes no sense |
| 12:20.24 | nevcairiel | ours is not perfect in that regard, but our new trials already collect dkp, and can only spend them once their trial is over, by that point they generally have enough to get one item already |
| 12:20.43 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: We're a casual guild, we don't have raid duty, so we can have lots of players, we from time to time encounter the problem that we need to fill our ranks with randoms. Most of them surely want some loot, too |
| 12:21.05 | Ellipsis | in any case, in a good guild - i.e. where people are smart, not jerks, and generally social - people will pass a lot and end up accumulating a ton of points which virtually guarantees they get first pick of whatever they want whenever they want |
| 12:21.09 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: Exactly |
| 12:21.49 | nevcairiel | we had some issues before BC, but with BC we revamped the whole thing, and never had any loot issues |
| 12:21.56 | SunTsu | An I really don't care who gets what first, every item that goes to someone inside the guild will help the guild's progress, IMO |
| 12:23.49 | xyu | in theory |
| 12:23.58 | xyu | as long as they don't get the item and don't show up for another month :P |
| 12:23.58 | Ellipsis | IMO, the fact that someone attends 10 raids in a row earns him 10 chances at each boss's loot, and that's enough incentive to show up for raids |
| 12:24.28 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: kinda sucks for stand-by people, they dont get a thing :/ |
| 12:24.30 | Ellipsis | I don't think it's fair to make the new person who pulls their weight in their first raid "wait in line" |
| 12:24.34 | keiss | that would be true if all bosses had the same loot :) |
| 12:24.49 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: Yeah, right. As usual there are special cases, where somebody is waiting very long for a single item. But he always can point that out nicely |
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| 12:25.15 | Ellipsis | well of course, and as I said, in most good guilds there will be no question about doing what's right and passing for him |
| 12:25.34 | nevcairiel | imho if someone just joined a raid guild, he shouldnt expect to get loot that the "old" members want for at least a week or two, and in our dkp after 2 weeks you generally have enough dkp to get items already, problem solved :) |
| 12:25.38 | Grum | people have no sense of 'right and wrong' in that respect Ellipsis |
| 12:25.39 | Ellipsis | but, you know what, that's life...if he never gets his item, tough luck, but maybe he should have rolled better |
| 12:25.52 | Grum | you cant influence rolling |
| 12:25.54 | Ellipsis | people are too unwilling to accept that certain things are out of their control |
| 12:25.56 | Ellipsis | exactly |
| 12:25.57 | Grum | you can influence the time you spend on the game |
| 12:26.07 | SunTsu | I myself passed a lot of things I won to other people who were in greater need of it, because it was a greater improvement for them than it was for me |
| 12:26.10 | Ellipsis | you can't influence whether a given boss will EVER drop the item |
| 12:26.11 | Grum | so time == dkp == items |
| 12:26.43 | Ellipsis | you could go to every single raid your guild does, and pugs after your guild has moved on to new content, and NEVER see it drop |
| 12:26.54 | Ellipsis | life isn't fair, suck it up |
| 12:26.59 | Grum | ofc, but rolling sucks :) |
| 12:27.15 | SunTsu | Grum: DKP suck, too ;) |
| 12:27.19 | keiss | thats why a well informed, fair dictator is the best loot system |
| 12:27.37 | Grum | SunTsu: less of an evil than /random |
| 12:27.39 | nevcairiel | rolling even increases the amount "luck" influences loot |
| 12:27.41 | nevcairiel | and thats rather bad |
| 12:27.43 | Grum | keiss: non of those exist |
| 12:27.50 | SunTsu | Grum: If you have a bidding system there can be assholes that push the price |
| 12:28.03 | Grum | therefor you should have a fixed itemprice system |
| 12:28.08 | keiss | Grum: not in a perfect sense ... but you can get a fairly good approximation , way better than dkp in my eyes |
| 12:28.19 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: so we should always work to turn chaos into order? |
| 12:28.20 | Grum | where the 'one odd class' can not just get their gear for a fraction of the dkp |
| 12:28.26 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: yes |
| 12:28.31 | Ellipsis | we can't control which loot drops from which bosses, but we sure as hell can try! |
| 12:28.33 | Grum | like a elemental shaman or paladin tank |
| 12:28.38 | Grum | they have no competition |
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| 12:28.55 | Grum | so in a bidding system they will have shitloads of DKP spare |
| 12:29.02 | Grum | in a fixed DKP per item - they dont |
| 12:29.07 | SunTsu | Grum: You still reward people who have the most time, so you have to buy dkp by investing time |
| 12:29.28 | nevcairiel | sooner or later you get most of the items anyway, why not reward people that spend more time in the raid by giving them more dkp and thus a higher chance to get items? |
| 12:29.29 | Grum | isnt that how it should be? |
| 12:29.34 | nevcairiel | its just about rewarding performance |
| 12:29.36 | Grum | you spend time and therefor have the right to get items? |
| 12:29.49 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: because they already HAVE a higher chance to get items just by virtue of being there more often. |
| 12:29.50 | xyu | wtf is armory gone? www.wowarmory.com or new url? |
| 12:29.52 | Grum | you spend more time -> more right |
| 12:30.06 | SunTsu | Grum: No, beacause you still can have people who do invest as much as nothing into the raid except time |
| 12:30.11 | nevcairiel | xyu: clear your dns cache |
| 12:30.24 | Grum | SunTsu: then your guildmaster/council sucks |
| 12:30.27 | Ozguli | xyu the name expired |
| 12:30.37 | Grum | if they have these people in the guild and raiding .... |
| 12:30.43 | xyu | oh ok |
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| 12:30.55 | winkiller | fixed itemprice also has downsides |
| 12:31.00 | Grum | like? |
| 12:31.00 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: and then my class has too many people and lets say one has to always standby in front of the instance, now i sit there the full 4h raid, and dont get a thing ? :P |
| 12:31.04 | winkiller | I've never seen a system with fair prices |
| 12:31.13 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: further more, doing more raids gives you higher chances to get an item anyway. More chances that it is dropped, more chances that you get the /random you need |
| 12:31.14 | Grum | winkiller: we have one |
| 12:31.20 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: you sit there afk for 4 hours and expect to be rewarded for it? |
| 12:31.25 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: yes |
| 12:31.25 | Grum | we're discussing prices in the guild atm for sunwell |
| 12:31.31 | Ellipsis | well aren't you special |
| 12:31.42 | Grum | we just discuss it publicly and then stamp it 'final' |
| 12:32.05 | Ellipsis | I don't even get invited to raids, but I sit in shatt the whole time they're in TK...does that mean I should be earning points too? when they finally get desperate enough to bring me along, should I win the mount? |
| 12:32.06 | Grum | Ellipsis: why not give people who are online DKP? |
| 12:32.31 | Grum | its not their fault they can not raid because blizzard made the instance a certain size and demanded a certain class balance |
| 12:32.46 | Ellipsis | no, but neither did they contribute anything |
| 12:32.57 | Grum | but that was beyond their controll |
| 12:32.59 | Hobby-home | Every guild I've been with or have friends in does award DKP for standby, you're parked at the entrance ready to go |
| 12:33.02 | Stanzilla | online != raid backup |
| 12:33.10 | winkiller | everyone should get 1 badge per bosskill |
| 12:33.13 | keiss | all these DKP systems get so bloated because someone always finds some flaw with them ... all the time ppl spend maintaining those systems ... its just ./laugh |
| 12:33.16 | winkiller | and X badges = item |
| 12:33.18 | Stanzilla | people on raid backup get dkp in my raid.. |
| 12:33.30 | Ellipsis | Grum: lots of things are beyond people's control, that doesn't mean we have to make up for it |
| 12:33.41 | winkiller | loot council is even worse |
| 12:33.45 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: same here, rule is "be in raid ready to fight 5 minutes after being told you're needed" |
| 12:33.48 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3111932167&postId=31114824336&sid=1#9 _:D |
| 12:33.51 | doc^bla | loot council ftw |
| 12:33.55 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: correct, same here. |
| 12:33.59 | Grum | tbh, the ideal system depends on a lot of things going right |
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| 12:34.02 | CIA-9 | Fortress: |
| 12:34.02 | CIA-9 | - A LibDataBroker-1.0 display (better form of DataBrokerTest) |
| 12:34.04 | keiss | loot council pwns all |
| 12:34.11 | winkiller | I was officer for quite some time and no way in hell I'd have wanted to do loot council |
| 12:34.15 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: so I would still meet that criteria...where's my free birdy? |
| 12:34.42 | Stanzilla | Ellipsis: are you on the line-up? |
| 12:34.46 | winkiller | maybe because we had the broken guild where all officers were the only top raiders with good attendance and performance :P |
| 12:34.48 | Kerafyrm | until your loot council is accused of being bias'd and thus a huge drama ensueing |
| 12:34.49 | Ellipsis | what do you mean Stanzilla? |
| 12:34.57 | keiss | winkiller: we have a 1-man decides, and can ask for officer opinions if he is unsure , works like a charm |
| 12:34.58 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: so in /random .. people wipe 3 hours on kael, then a warlock has to leave, you replace him, now are you allowed to roll for the mount that _everyone_ wants? |
| 12:35.00 | Stanzilla | there's always a lineup for raids |
| 12:35.03 | Hobby-home | It's NOT a free birdy |
| 12:35.07 | Stanzilla | if you are on it and online => get dkp |
| 12:35.19 | Hobby-home | You were on standby and obviously there for the kill |
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| 12:35.26 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: he didn't make the boss die, we did. seems fair to me |
| 12:35.31 | Grum | tbh, the only way 'online==DKP' works is if the guild is not too big |
| 12:35.35 | Grum | so at most 40 raiders |
| 12:35.43 | SunTsu | nevcairiel: Right. You still could have tried the boss without him |
| 12:35.46 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: but he spend 3 hours of repairs learning the fight with the others |
| 12:35.52 | xyu | er, so how do i clear my DNS in firefox? ^^ |
| 12:35.56 | Grum | you dont |
| 12:36.04 | nevcairiel | now you come and "earn" the kill after 3 hours learning |
| 12:36.04 | xyu | do i need to release renew? |
| 12:36.08 | Hobby-home | ipconfig /flushdns |
| 12:36.11 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: well then he'll do even better next time with them, and they'll down the boss sooner without my help |
| 12:36.13 | xyu | xie xie |
| 12:36.20 | Grum | Hobby-home: most likely wont work |
| 12:36.21 | Ellipsis | everybody wins |
| 12:36.24 | Grum | as the ISP will have it cached |
| 12:36.27 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: your argument is flawed =P |
| 12:36.33 | Grum | Ellipsis: you suck |
| 12:36.39 | Grum | :P |
| 12:36.48 | Ellipsis | if there was really that much to learn about <insert fight here>, then I would've wiped the raid when I joined with no experience, amirite? |
| 12:36.50 | Hobby-home | dns refreshes every 5 minutes on the root servers now, so only if your isp sucks will it not work :) |
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| 12:36.58 | Grum | its clear that you havent raided 25m Ellipsis =D |
| 12:37.00 | winkiller | I've never seen a really fair system |
| 12:37.02 | xyu | didn't help w/ wowarmory though, i'm still getting the Go Daddy page >< |
| 12:37.05 | Ellipsis | Grum: um...excuse me? |
| 12:37.05 | winkiller | and I doubt I ever will |
| 12:37.09 | Grum | Hobby-home: TTL ftw? |
| 12:37.15 | winkiller | xyu: isp's fault |
| 12:37.18 | nevcairiel | You dont want to reward people on standby, but you expect to be allowed to roll on loot when you join. |
| 12:37.23 | Hobby-home | TTL = 5 min, unless your isp sucks :) |
| 12:37.26 | keiss | 'fair system' is a myth - doesnt exist |
| 12:37.31 | Grum | Hobby-home: TTL is 1 day |
| 12:37.37 | SunTsu | winkiller: I've seen fair systems, every one of them. the problem is that verybody has his own nothoin of "fair" |
| 12:37.38 | Grum | by default |
| 12:37.43 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: if I helped kill the boss, I helped make the loot spawn, I deserve a chance at it. |
| 12:37.45 | SunTsu | notion, that is |
| 12:37.46 | Hobby-home | not since 6 months ago :) |
| 12:37.57 | Hobby-home | DNS was change to a 5 minute refresh on the 14 roots some time ago |
| 12:37.58 | Grum | Ellipsis: yes and the chance is by DKP |
| 12:38.07 | dieck | hm. Grid / pitbull now have those nice "incoming heal" views showing expected health upgrades. Is there a "tank" addon showing details to incoming heals, like from whom, which spell and how long it'll take, how much is expected? something like that? |
| 12:38.11 | winkiller | SunTsu: hypothetical thing. take any 2 people and most likely they already disagree :P |
| 12:38.18 | xyu | i'm on comcast |
| 12:38.20 | xyu | so yes, they suck |
| 12:38.21 | hani | Ellipsis: you're wrong btw about 'I'd have wiped if therewas that much to learn', many fights are forgiving of one person screwing up |
| 12:38.30 | winkiller | or 10 |
| 12:38.35 | Grum | xyu: you can fix it by finding the 'new' ip of it |
| 12:38.36 | hani | Ellipsis: the learning is in 25 people figuring out not to screw up |
| 12:38.41 | Hobby-home | TTL from the dns you're pointing to (probably ISP)....well that's whatever they set |
| 12:38.45 | Grum | and just fiddling it in your hosts file |
| 12:38.47 | Ellipsis | hani: then swapping in just one person won't be enough to change the fight from "attempt" to "kill" |
| 12:38.48 | SunTsu | Grum: Maybe the mount wouldn't have dropped without the new guy |
| 12:38.58 | winkiller | opendns.com seems cool also |
| 12:39.01 | Grum | SunTsu: mounts are quite different tbh |
| 12:39.05 | Grum | most guilds just do /roll on it |
| 12:39.13 | Grum | because you cant quantify the item in DKP value |
| 12:39.17 | SunTsu | Grum: s/mount/item/ |
| 12:39.18 | hani | Ellipsis: no, because the other 24 just learned in the last try, so swapping one person could still mean its a better effort next time |
| 12:39.18 | winkiller | so much drama |
| 12:39.20 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: maybe everything else just happens to go right that attempt |
| 12:39.27 | dieck | Grum: it's worth what somebody wants to bid |
| 12:39.28 | SunTsu | the point stays the same |
| 12:39.33 | dieck | Grum: simple as that :) |
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| 12:39.38 | winkiller | maybe we should play tetris and not wow... |
| 12:39.42 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: omg, how dare we allow luck to influence anything in our lives! ...oh wait |
| 12:39.44 | Tanya | ??? |
| 12:39.44 | Grum | dieck: assuming you have a DKP system that does bidding (which are by default flawed btw) |
| 12:39.44 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: you die in the first minute of the fight, the 24 kill him, do you get loot rights? |
| 12:39.58 | Tanya | what's this? |
| 12:39.59 | dieck | Grum: ack. we use suicide kings list style |
| 12:39.59 | hani | nevcairiel: yes you do |
| 12:40.04 | Hobby-home | winkiller: Can I bid DKP on a straight 4 piece? I never get one |
| 12:40.10 | hani | assuming you're using dkp or loot council or whatever |
| 12:40.12 | winkiller | hehe |
| 12:40.12 | Grum | dieck: what? |
| 12:40.23 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: if I was afk and not even paying attention? no. if I actually put forth effort in the start of the fight? absolutely |
| 12:40.29 | winkiller | SK sounds nice, yea |
| 12:40.37 | SunTsu | dieck: Suicide Kings is the one DKP system I could live with, yeah. |
| 12:40.40 | Grum | Ellipsis: you got a lagburst and got oneshotted |
| 12:40.44 | dieck | Grum: simple list. who is first gets the loot and drops to the end of the list |
| 12:40.54 | Ellipsis | Grum: then I need a better connection |
| 12:40.58 | Grum | dieck: humz i would hate that :) |
| 12:41.01 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: you just got switched in and had no idea about the fight, you tried, but you couldnt because of lack of knowledge, in your book you wouldnt get any rights, i suppose? |
| 12:41.01 | dieck | SunTsu: ah, hi :) |
| 12:41.09 | Grum | Ellipsis: you got an honor update and only you got oneshotted |
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| 12:41.10 | SunTsu | dieck: Hi again ;) |
| 12:41.10 | Tanya | pffffffftttttt |
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| 12:41.23 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: absolutely; part of trying is learning the strategies. |
| 12:41.23 | hani | dieck: that only works if you have a guild with a fairly fixed number of raiders |
| 12:41.38 | hani | dieck: and is very bad for progression, because you're gearing up indiscriminately |
| 12:41.39 | Grum | Ellipsis: reading/viewing and doing is SO different |
| 12:41.44 | Grum | especially on fights like Kael |
| 12:41.46 | Ellipsis | Grum: I disagree |
| 12:41.48 | Grum | or Illidan O.o |
| 12:41.49 | dieck | hani: yes. you could use advanced methods for moving people that are not participating. |
| 12:41.51 | Grum | do them |
| 12:41.53 | Grum | and you'll find out |
| 12:41.55 | hani | illidan's much easier than kael |
| 12:42.01 | Grum | yeah it is hani |
| 12:42.02 | hani | a lot less learning |
| 12:42.02 | Ellipsis | Grum: get me a raid invite and I sure will! |
| 12:42.08 | dieck | hani: hm? we're gearing up most equally. that's the good thing about SK |
| 12:42.08 | Grum | see that is the thing |
| 12:42.14 | Grum | you havent raided so you dont know |
| 12:42.18 | Ellipsis | yes I have |
| 12:42.22 | Grum | kek |
| 12:42.24 | Ellipsis | I haven't killed illidan, but I have raided. |
| 12:42.30 | dieck | hani: it's worth nothing if you have a Sunwell ready tank and Karazhan ready healers :) |
| 12:42.33 | Grum | did oyu kill vashj or kael? |
| 12:42.42 | Grum | the rest of the fights need nearly no tactics |
| 12:42.43 | Ellipsis | me personally? no |
| 12:42.47 | doc^bla | noone is on stanby just for that one fight, he earned it before and after |
| 12:42.50 | Grum | well, try reading up on them |
| 12:42.53 | Ellipsis | I have |
| 12:43.00 | Ellipsis | I'm the sort of nerd who reads boss strats for fun |
| 12:43.01 | Grum | and you know exactly what to do when? |
| 12:43.03 | Grum | where to run? |
| 12:43.03 | nevcairiel | you cant learn kael by "reading" |
| 12:43.05 | hani | dieck: no, but its worthwhile to gear up people who attend every raid, than ones that attend 2 per week |
| 12:43.06 | nevcairiel | vashj maybe |
| 12:43.08 | Grum | what to cast? |
| 12:43.11 | Ellipsis | no, but if my guild was raiding them I would |
| 12:43.11 | Xinhuan | i'm the best master looter ever :) |
| 12:43.13 | Xinhuan | [Fang of Vashj] [Lightfathom Scepter] |
| 12:43.18 | winkiller | Solarian is serioius business |
| 12:43.24 | hani | Ellipsis: there's nothing nerdy about that, any serious raiding guild *requires* that you read strats |
| 12:43.24 | winkiller | like BOMB wtf |
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| 12:43.26 | dieck | hani: yes. therefore I said you could use advanced methods for moving people that are not participating. |
| 12:43.27 | Grum | omg geiv xin |
| 12:43.29 | Ellipsis | I would not accept a raid invite if I wasn't confident about being able to participate to the best of my ability |
| 12:43.38 | hani | dieck: yeah, it'd work with that |
| 12:43.44 | hani | dieck: or just use dkp, which captures attendance ;) |
| 12:43.44 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: lol nice :) |
| 12:43.49 | Ellipsis | hani: I mean bosses I have no chance of seeing e.g. BT/hyjal |
| 12:43.53 | Xinhuan | 2 more ppl attuned BT lol! |
| 12:43.59 | hani | Ellipsis: everyone is confident of that though, many are wrong |
| 12:43.59 | Xinhuan | and 5 more needs kael now |
| 12:44.03 | Hjalte | NeoTron: MagicMarker just tried to add all the hordes of my Arathi Basin game :) |
| 12:44.04 | SunTsu | keiss: Right, that's why we now have the third discussion of that kind in our guild. The third one where we will have a poll which will say "/random" - but I know it will not be the last discussion of that sort |
| 12:44.16 | hani | Xinhuan: heh, my guild spent about a month between downing kael and getting into BT |
| 12:44.17 | Ellipsis | hani: I am not confident in my ability to down vashj or KT, no |
| 12:44.19 | hani | we suck |
| 12:44.23 | Grum | Ellipsis: tbh, you can never do the best of your ability on the first try on a boss |
| 12:44.29 | Grum | even if the raid you go in has it on farm |
| 12:44.29 | Ellipsis | Grum: you absolutely can |
| 12:44.43 | Ellipsis | my best ever kara was my first one |
| 12:44.43 | hani | Ellipsis: for almost every fight, all you need is effort and repeated tries. wow does not require skill or intelligence |
| 12:44.50 | hani | or even particularly fast reactions |
| 12:44.52 | nevcairiel | haha kara |
| 12:44.55 | Grum | Ellipsis: you can outgear stuff |
| 12:44.59 | Grum | and kara needs 0 strategies |
| 12:45.00 | nevcairiel | that doesnt deserve the name "raid" |
| 12:45.02 | Grum | except for nethershite |
| 12:45.03 | keiss | SunTsu: in our guild we are a bit 'strict' about this ... we have a one-person/loot council system , and no whining about loot is allowed |
| 12:45.04 | Ellipsis | in fact I think the first time you are often better than all the times after that |
| 12:45.04 | hani | (and I downed illidan, so I'm not talking out of my ass) |
| 12:45.05 | winkiller | Kara was hard last February/March |
| 12:45.11 | Ellipsis | because you pay more attention and are more prepared |
| 12:45.25 | nevcairiel | yeah kara is so last year =P |
| 12:45.27 | winkiller | keiss: I'd call that dictatorship, not system |
| 12:45.29 | Ellipsis | Grum: my first kara was when it was progression. I attended the server first kills on attumen and moroes. |
| 12:45.30 | hani | Ellipsis: again, thats not how raiding actually works |
| 12:45.37 | hani | Ellipsis: think of boss fights as riding a bicycle |
| 12:45.39 | SunTsu | keiss: the whining is done by two guild officers... |
| 12:45.46 | Ellipsis | hani: I don't, because they're not. |
| 12:45.50 | hani | Ellipsis: whether you like or not, the only way to learn it is by doing it, and falling a few times |
| 12:45.54 | Grum | Ellipsis: the thing is, you will never go fullout if you are somewhere new (nor should) |
| 12:46.04 | hani | exactly grum |
| 12:46.04 | dieck | hani: we decided against standard dkp, because we made bad experiences with it back in the sixties :) People always mourned about DKP, having to much and nothing to spend for, beeing drivven to bid "all in", and the 2nd bidder gets the item next to nothing because he's the only one left who needed it, and so on... Class items unfairness included. Too much disturbances |
| 12:46.10 | Ellipsis | I think of them like giving a speech - you prepare a lot and when it finally comes time to perform, you do better because of it. |
| 12:46.10 | keiss | winkiller: call it what you will , the important thing is that it works , because if you have sensible people in the raid the rules are there just to remind them ... |
| 12:46.21 | Grum | what if you would pull aggro by a mistake? (omen fucked up for example) |
| 12:46.22 | keiss | winkiller: in the guild* |
| 12:46.26 | winkiller | we oneshot Al'ar in this guild. only 10-15 had seen the fight before |
| 12:46.31 | dieck | hani: the simple SK list works very well and without any arguing other than "maybe YOU should take the item, it's a better upgrade for you" ;) |
| 12:46.33 | winkiller | so for 10 people it was first try and down |
| 12:46.37 | Ellipsis | Grum: if I'm new and undergeared how the hell am I pulling aggro? :P |
| 12:46.38 | nevcairiel | and then one listener just kills you because you critted him with your wall-of-text Ellipsis :P |
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| 12:46.51 | SunTsu | The basic problem is that there are much more people who want things an too little loot. No system will ever change that ;) |
| 12:46.52 | Grum | Ellipsis: by forgetting not to apply dots on an aggrowipe? |
| 12:46.54 | hani | Ellipsis: by not knowing when boss X wipes aggro |
| 12:47.00 | hani | yep |
| 12:47.06 | keiss | SunTsu: well i suspect most of these 'loot problems' come down to individuals that should not be in the guild in the first place ... |
| 12:47.07 | hani | hydross at ssc, for example |
| 12:47.16 | Grum | or forgetting to move that 2 yards beyond the 'line' @ Hydross |
| 12:47.18 | hani | illidan from human -> demon switch |
| 12:47.19 | Ellipsis | Grum: then I shouldn't have forgotten. that's not the best of my ability. |
| 12:47.35 | Grum | Ellipsis: it might be they switched earlier than you expected |
| 12:47.45 | Grum | because the guides told you something different |
| 12:47.46 | hani | heh, we actually gave out dkp penalties to those sorts of fuckups |
| 12:47.47 | Ellipsis | then I should have been paying closer attention and been prepared to react |
| 12:47.58 | hani | aggoring hydross = -1dkp, doubles to 2, 4, 8, etc |
| 12:48.03 | hani | same to being spouted at lurker |
| 12:48.14 | Stanzilla | hani: we have to pay gold for fuckups :P |
| 12:48.17 | keiss | has to be fun to maintain that :D |
| 12:48.20 | Grum | for example, you have no nature-res tank, so you can only tank 2 marks on the nature side |
| 12:48.23 | hani | and about to add the same rule for dying from archi air burst |
| 12:48.24 | Grum | 'oopsie' my dot was still on |
| 12:48.48 | hani | Ellipsis: *should*, yes, but people DO fuck up |
| 12:48.53 | hani | Ellipsis: its never intentional |
| 12:49.00 | hani | Ellipsis: and they all do know what they're supposed to do |
| 12:49.01 | Grum | i learned all fights in BT |
| 12:49.05 | nevcairiel | we yell at people for archi burst, and when they die on a regular basis we just let them skip archi for one week, so they learn :P |
| 12:49.07 | Ellipsis | Grum: any example including the word "oopsie" is quite clearly a mistake, and mistakes should not happen. if they do, I'm not playing TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY as mentioned before. |
| 12:49.07 | winkiller | misdirect on mages ftw |
| 12:49.11 | Grum | but the first time you are there .. you surely as hell fuck up massively |
| 12:49.16 | hani | Grum: yep! |
| 12:49.20 | Grum | and if you dont, you have either fat luck or skill |
| 12:49.30 | hani | Ellipsis: that just doesnt work when it's 24 other people |
| 12:49.32 | Grum | because you can not possibly know all there is to know about a fight |
| 12:49.34 | Ellipsis | nevcairiel: they learn by missing raids? I thought experience was the only way to learn! |
| 12:49.37 | hani | Ellipsis: laws of statistics say that people fuck up |
| 12:49.46 | Ellipsis | hani: yes, and those people should l2play |
| 12:49.48 | hani | Ellipsis: so the idea is to repeat it sufficiently that people learn not to |
| 12:49.54 | Ellipsis | exactly |
| 12:49.56 | hani | Ellipsis: how can you explain all the wiping then? |
| 12:50.01 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: everyone _knows_ what to do, they just dont pay attention, and one dead on archi can as well be a full wipe |
| 12:50.01 | Ellipsis | ? |
| 12:50.08 | keiss | anyone remember whats the slash command for auctioneer ? |
| 12:50.13 | Grum | the good guilds have people that learn in fewer tries than the other guild |
| 12:50.14 | JoshBorke | unless it's a huntard, right nev? |
| 12:50.16 | hani | Ellipsis: if everyone got everything right the first time, or if that was normal, there'd at least be some guilds that rarely wipe |
| 12:50.28 | hani | if they're full of people who always play 'to the best of their ability'. |
| 12:50.28 | Ellipsis | hani: there are some |
| 12:50.31 | hani | nope |
| 12:50.35 | vhaarr | there are not any |
| 12:50.36 | Ellipsis | but I agree, it's quite rare |
| 12:50.42 | Grum | anyhow Ellipsis, you are just wrong this time :) |
| 12:50.45 | vhaarr | you might think that some guilds rarely wipe, but they do |
| 12:50.52 | Ellipsis | there are few guilds who can coordinate EVERYONE to play as well as they can at one time |
| 12:50.54 | hani | so why are they wiping, because people in them dont know how to play? |
| 12:50.54 | Grum | the trick is to wipe fast |
| 12:51.06 | Grum | if you can recover in 3 minutes where the other guild takes 10 .. you can do more tries |
| 12:51.10 | nevcairiel | i hate illidan, he takes so fucking long to kill everyone |
| 12:51.17 | hani | nevcairiel: haha |
| 12:51.28 | Grum | seriously, on learning bosses wiping fast is needed and even a skill |
| 12:51.33 | Ellipsis | the reason most guilds wipe is because there will always be some morons in a raid |
| 12:51.36 | Grum | like poeple running away out of the instance @ Hydross |
| 12:51.36 | hani | nevcairiel: RoS is like that, thankfully there are adds nearby to pull in to end the pain |
| 12:51.40 | hani | Ellipsis: nope! |
| 12:51.42 | Ellipsis | that's how statistics work...not everyone can be above average :) |
| 12:51.47 | vhaarr | Ellipsis: you're wrong, the reason people wipe is lack of focus |
| 12:51.48 | hani | Ellipsis: nihilum wipes plenty |
| 12:51.56 | vhaarr | Ellipsis: and even Nihilum wipes 24/7, believe me |
| 12:51.56 | Grum | hani: and they prolly wipe fast |
| 12:52.00 | Ellipsis | of course they do |
| 12:52.04 | nevcairiel | hani: haha yeah "ok p2 and 4 people dead, lets wipe now" and it takes sooo long :/ |
| 12:52.05 | Ellipsis | I never said they didn't |
| 12:52.09 | hani | Ellipsis: its because raids are composed of people, and you cannot get 25 people to act as robots |
| 12:52.09 | Grum | sort the soulstones/di, and get that fucking raid up in 3 minutes again |
| 12:52.12 | Grum | and 'try again' |
| 12:52.14 | Ellipsis | but it's still each member's fault when they fuck up |
| 12:52.36 | Grum | i can remember when we were doing Vashj |
| 12:52.38 | nevcairiel | obviously, but there is noone that never makes mistakes |
| 12:52.52 | Ellipsis | I never said there were perfect people |
| 12:52.59 | Grum | that we pushed so hard on getting those quick recoveries that in the end we could start again after 6 minutes |
| 12:53.01 | Ellipsis | I said that people who were not doing their best need to try harder. |
| 12:53.03 | Grum | where that was 10-11 before |
| 12:53.14 | Grum | imagine the amount of tries you can get in :P |
| 12:53.36 | nevcairiel | the worst part about vashj is your soulstone dieing in aggro range of her |
| 12:53.48 | hani | yeah, then the long run of shame back |
| 12:54.02 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: we never had that, because I always called to wipe early if I saw one or two mistakes happen |
| 12:54.09 | Grum | nevcairiel: its not |
| 12:54.13 | vhaarr | so people could run out |
| 12:54.18 | Grum | vashj takes 10s to repop |
| 12:54.23 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: what if your soulstone got instagibbed by one of the elite nagas :( |
| 12:54.23 | Ozguli | I run in circles and yell "FULL WIPE FULL WIPE" on teamspeak |
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| 12:54.25 | Grum | so you can SS and run of the toplevel |
| 12:54.26 | hani | wiping at kael sorta sucks ass, if it's at p4 |
| 12:54.33 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: our tanks never let that happen |
| 12:54.37 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: i.e. me and the offtank |
| 12:54.38 | Grum | yeah p4 is shitty |
| 12:54.40 | hani | such a stupidly long fight |
| 12:54.46 | Grum | but you can just hug the phoenixes |
| 12:54.54 | hani | well wiping is easy |
| 12:54.56 | hani | just hugely annoying |
| 12:55.01 | Grum | long walk |
| 12:55.01 | hani | because you have to do stupid p1 again |
| 12:55.02 | Ellipsis | here's my point though: it doesn't matter how many times I sat through wipes, even if they were other people's fault. if I didn't make the boss die, I don't deserve loot from that kill, let alone any other kills of any other bosses at any future point. |
| 12:55.13 | Grum | p1 is like 3 minutes |
| 12:55.20 | hani | 3 endless minutes |
| 12:55.25 | Grum | heheh |
| 12:55.44 | nevcairiel | vhaarr: generally it doesnt happen for us either, but it happend occasionally, when melee dps was slacking on killing and we had one too much left or so :P |
| 12:55.49 | nevcairiel | last vashj was fun tho |
| 12:55.56 | nevcairiel | attunment run with a t6 raid |
| 12:55.57 | Grum | just wait till you wipe @ Illidan .. phase5 ... because someone got overexited and forgot the parasites >< |
| 12:55.58 | hani | I miss vashj |
| 12:56.00 | nevcairiel | she died so fast :D |
| 12:56.03 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 12:56.09 | hani | nevcairiel: heh, we're about to do one of those this or next week |
| 12:56.14 | hani | attuning 3 new losers |
| 12:56.20 | Grum | kek |
| 12:56.26 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: yeah but even when both tanks are occupied, they can zerk stance + intercept or intervene on the healer target |
| 12:56.30 | nevcairiel | Grum: oh yeah .. or even worse, enraged parasites and the healer being a tad bit too slow :p |
| 12:56.36 | vhaarr | nevcairiel: your tanks were slacking tbh, not the melee :P |
| 12:56.38 | doc^bla | illidan is easy, if you manage to get that far |
| 12:56.43 | hani | yep |
| 12:56.44 | Grum | they enrage? :p |
| 12:56.49 | hani | I still think kael is the hardest one |
| 12:56.58 | Grum | Kael is simple |
| 12:56.59 | hani | since it has the most different phases to learn |
| 12:56.59 | nevcairiel | Grum: when illidan is enraged both parasites and the flame debuff do double dmg |
| 12:57.00 | vhaarr | nah vashj is harder thank kael |
| 12:57.08 | Grum | seriously easier than vashj |
| 12:57.16 | Grum | vashj is a 'do one thing and fuckign do it perfect' |
| 12:57.26 | hani | once you figure out kael its easy, but it takes a long time to learn it |
| 12:57.33 | Grum | people tend to do more than 1 thing because it makes them feel useful |
| 12:57.34 | winkiller | I'm quite curious |
| 12:57.39 | vhaarr | on kael you need 4-5 people to do their job perfectly and act independently, the rest of the raid can be robots |
| 12:57.40 | hani | it took us about 2 weeks on kael, and 3 days on illidan |
| 12:57.46 | vhaarr | on vashj everyone must act on their own |
| 12:57.58 | Grum | 'if you dont have spawns - just stand there and frikking wait for em' - 'Oh shit i was helping on the strider and didn't see the tainted!' |
| 12:58.01 | hani | vhaarr: no, p3 gaze, or dps not switching to eggs, etc |
| 12:58.07 | harldephin | any chances to get options for TinyTip? |
| 12:58.13 | vhaarr | hani: raid leader announces that on vent/ts |
| 12:58.16 | xyu | Anyone remember the addon that estimates the length of a boss fight? |
| 12:58.21 | xyu | what's the name? |
| 12:58.26 | Fisker- | you have to be an utter retard to not be able to switch targets |
| 12:58.27 | hani | right, so it does require the raid to know to switch and to actually do it ;) |
| 12:58.29 | nevcairiel | harldephin: Thrae is working on those, be patient |
| 12:58.33 | Fisker- | I also think that Vashj is harder than kael |
| 12:58.33 | Grum | harldephin: kill Thrae, revert to an older version (pre februari) |
| 12:58.34 | Kalroth | Fisker-: Welcome to WoW. |
| 12:58.56 | harldephin | nevcairiel: i am. ôo |
| 12:59.05 | Grum | for some reason, people always thought Kael as harder than Vashj |
| 12:59.11 | Grum | and therefor all guilds take Vashj first |
| 12:59.12 | Fisker- | The thing is that a Kael'Thas try can easily take 10 minutes |
| 12:59.18 | hani | Grum: look at the learning time |
| 12:59.21 | Kalroth | Kael is easier once the majority of the raid knows him, with Vashj you only need one retard to fuck it up |
| 12:59.22 | Grum | but its a complete cockblock, you should take Kael first |
| 12:59.22 | CIA-9 | 03wang * r63461 10Prat/ (12 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:59.22 | CIA-9 | Prat: zhCN update |
| 12:59.22 | CIA-9 | Fin please check again before say such words like FUCK,ok? |
| 12:59.25 | Fisker- | While you can wipe on Vashj within a couple of minutes |
| 12:59.30 | Kalroth | We've had Vashj kills where 6 cores was lost |
| 12:59.31 | Grum | hani: Kael is WAY more forgiving than Vashj |
| 12:59.31 | nevcairiel | do Illidan, when you wipe after 20 minutes of fighting, you really get annoyed :P |
| 12:59.31 | Stanzilla | lawl |
| 12:59.39 | [Ammo] | mr wang |
| 12:59.39 | [Ammo] | hah |
| 12:59.40 | Grum | and you can reset Kael without wiping |
| 12:59.42 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 12:59.46 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: I did an amazing P5 save last night! |
| 12:59.50 | Fisker- | we even did the last 10% on kael with 10 people alive |
| 12:59.50 | hani | Grum: yes, but again, its statistics, longer fight = more chance of fuckups |
| 12:59.50 | vhaarr | Grum: how? |
| 12:59.56 | Fisker- | That would've been nigh impossible on vashj |
| 13:00.05 | vhaarr | hani: no, because there are more room for fuckups on kael |
| 13:00.09 | Grum | vhaarr: mage blinks through door and pulls add through it (has to be an advisor) |
| 13:00.11 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: MT got sheared in P5, during enrange. I intercepted and ate a 17K hit :) |
| 13:00.12 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: that reminds me .. our MT died at 5% on illidan, but illidan happend to run into the trap at that point xD |
| 13:00.13 | [Liquidor] | vhaarr, blink out |
| 13:00.16 | vhaarr | oh |
| 13:00.18 | vhaarr | cool |
| 13:00.24 | Grum | doesn't work with weapons though |
| 13:00.36 | [Liquidor] | it's okay |
| 13:00.37 | xyu | if you're wiping on weapons, get out of TK |
| 13:00.40 | hani | Grum: so you can reset it during very special circumstances, thats not very resettable ;) |
| 13:01.08 | [Liquidor] | most guilds fuck up when advisors respawns after the weap phase |
| 13:01.08 | Xinhuan | haha doing vashj in T6 gear is actually pretty fun |
| 13:01.08 | Grum | beats vashj and the 5 minute sightseeing corpsewalk |
| 13:01.08 | Kalroth | Also I did flame tanking for the first time in a month and I didn't fuck up! (eye beams are hard) |
| 13:01.08 | Xinhuan | the static charge doesn't hurt at all |
| 13:01.10 | Xinhuan | its like a ticklish feeling |
| 13:01.11 | Fisker- | i've never seen the blink thing with kael working :o |
| 13:01.15 | Stanzilla | our first illidan kill was awesome...Maiev had the killing blow and his body disappeared => no loots :( |
| 13:01.16 | Xinhuan | and then when p3 comes, all the bats died |
| 13:01.22 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: Yeah, I used to run for the charge, to get more rage ;P |
| 13:01.23 | Xinhuan | almost no poison patches at all |
| 13:01.35 | Grum | Xinhuan: lol :) |
| 13:01.38 | nevcairiel | yeah vashj in t6 is so damn easy |
| 13:01.59 | Kalroth | Our last Vashj kill (months ago) was with 5 hunters. Poor bats never saw it coming. |
| 13:02.03 | Grum | Fisker-: we did it all the time |
| 13:02.04 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 13:02.05 | xyu | my guild is doing alt hyjal runs on the weekend :) |
| 13:02.11 | xyu | our alt guild is up to Archi |
| 13:02.16 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:02.22 | Kalroth | xyu: SC? :) |
| 13:02.22 | Grum | that is insane ;P |
| 13:02.26 | Fisker- | We've begun to have to deal out MINUS DKP for it |
| 13:02.33 | Fisker- | because some mage goes "lol i'm going to reset" |
| 13:02.42 | nevcairiel | most of our members cant play their alts if their life depended on it |
| 13:02.45 | Fisker- | then we end up waiting 3 minutes outside for the retard to get killed around al'ars room |
| 13:02.49 | [Liquidor] | we gave -dkp if you got feared out causing reset Fisker- |
| 13:02.55 | nevcairiel | everyone like "hey i'm a healer" but they suck so bad :P |
| 13:02.59 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: most of our members can't play their mains if their life depended on it |
| 13:03.00 | Fisker- | you don't get feared out |
| 13:03.01 | Fisker- | :o |
| 13:03.23 | Kalroth | Teron ghosts are hard, really. |
| 13:03.24 | [Liquidor] | 1 of the advisors that fears was tanked close to the right gate |
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| 13:03.32 | nevcairiel | we have some teron slackers too |
| 13:03.33 | xyu | we're having some drama about dps numbers in my guild too. especially a few bad mages. |
| 13:03.39 | xyu | one mage already quit over it |
| 13:03.41 | xyu | sold his account |
| 13:03.42 | nevcairiel | worst thing that happend to us two weeks ago or so |
| 13:03.43 | Kalroth | lol |
| 13:04.03 | xyu | i'm a mage, btw :P |
| 13:04.10 | Kalroth | Spec arcane! |
| 13:04.15 | xyu | maybe in 2.4 |
| 13:04.18 | nevcairiel | teron died, but one person had the shadow left, and for some reason the debuff didnt vanish when teron died, so he spawned the skeletons, and totally fucked up |
| 13:04.24 | nevcairiel | we had to fucking wipe to get rid of the skeletons |
| 13:04.24 | Kalroth | you coward |
| 13:04.29 | nevcairiel | because you cant attack them :P |
| 13:04.34 | xyu | 40/0/21 sounds like the new raid spec. it might be ok :) |
| 13:04.39 | xyu | personally i hate arcane, i hate rotations :P |
| 13:04.40 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: haha |
| 13:04.42 | Fisker- | i know [Liquidor] |
| 13:04.47 | Fisker- | never seen anyone get feared out of it though |
| 13:04.56 | [Liquidor] | never know with fear |
| 13:05.08 | xyu | we've had a fear out and reset. so lame |
| 13:05.18 | [Liquidor] | we had several -.- |
| 13:05.23 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: Worst we had was 1 person (hi druid!) fucking up and letting 3 ghosts into the raid. The next person was so focused on the ones in the raid that he totally forgot his own. We wiped with 7 in the raid. :) |
| 13:05.35 | xyu | it's up to thaladrad or wahtever his name is to target him and walk through the door. |
| 13:05.44 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: lol |
| 13:06.08 | nevcairiel | i can kill that things so fast that i can like kill a second set of 4 on the next person .. dunno wtf other people do |
| 13:06.17 | xyu | hahah the "OH please don't let THAT guy get the first ghost" prayer |
| 13:06.22 | Kalroth | Yeah, my highscore is 8 ghosts ;) |
| 13:06.23 | xyu | for us, it's this chic priest. |
| 13:06.31 | nevcairiel | AoE -> schackle -> focus -> AoE -> schackle -> finish them |
| 13:06.32 | xyu | she can't kill those things for all the money in the world |
| 13:06.43 | xyu | probably a clicker too |
| 13:06.44 | nevcairiel | oyu just have to start with AoE instead of shackle |
| 13:06.47 | nevcairiel | that wins you alot |
| 13:06.54 | Kalroth | xyu: haha, we got a female priest that doesn't want to do Teron. We've given up on her and just switch her out. |
| 13:06.56 | nevcairiel | but most people are afraid of that :P |
| 13:07.08 | xyu | None of us have the balls to say it to her :P |
| 13:07.10 | break19 | <- offtank + clicker. heh |
| 13:07.12 | Kalroth | yeah, aoe, shackle, lance x 4, repeat |
| 13:07.24 | Kalroth | xyu: Oh we do, but she's relentless :) |
| 13:07.26 | xyu | Everyone else is ok, but if she ever gets it first, may as well reset |
| 13:07.30 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:07.42 | break19 | I do both tho. left hand is hittin keybinds, right hand is clickin zee boootans.. |
| 13:07.43 | Kalroth | We got 1-2 druids like that and oddly enough also 2 warlocks. |
| 13:07.51 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 13:07.55 | Kalroth | I mean, a class with a pet got problems controlling .. pets! |
| 13:08.04 | Kalroth | "it's not the same!!" |
| 13:08.10 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 13:08.12 | [Liquidor] | ctrl + numbers? |
| 13:08.18 | break19 | Kalroth: it happens more often than you think. lol |
| 13:08.20 | nevcairiel | you can even use only number now |
| 13:08.32 | xyu | any mage shouldn't have a prob either, i just bind it to my frostnova, ice lance, arcane explosion keys |
| 13:08.36 | xyu | since i don't use them during that fight. |
| 13:08.40 | doc^bla | click lance, hit tab, repeat |
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| 13:08.43 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot_RepFactions: |
| 13:08.43 | CIA-9 | - zhCN & zhTW update |
| 13:08.44 | Kalroth | I mean, it's fair enough for a non-pet class to get caught by a surprise the first time. There's a new bar and it's a total surprise. |
| 13:08.51 | Kalroth | But for a fucking warlock/hunter/mage? |
| 13:08.55 | xyu | yeah but it's not a pet really |
| 13:08.57 | xyu | you ARE the pet |
| 13:09.08 | xyu | but i guess the keydinbings |
| 13:09.08 | nevcairiel | first time .. haha .. we're down to 25 kills of teron and we still have people fuck up |
| 13:09.09 | xyu | are the same |
| 13:09.10 | nevcairiel | mostly healers |
| 13:09.17 | nevcairiel | and mostly paladins .P |
| 13:09.20 | Kalroth | [14:05] <Kalroth> "it's not the same!!" |
| 13:09.50 | xyu | mouseover spirit lance macros help a lot |
| 13:10.01 | nevcairiel | l2keypress |
| 13:10.18 | xyu | lrn2 nameplates too |
| 13:10.25 | xyu | nameplates are great for that |
| 13:10.27 | nevcairiel | was just planning to say that |
| 13:10.29 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:10.35 | Kalroth | ghosts = aoe, shackle, lance x4, move forward 2-3 steps, repeat. It doesn't have to be hard, I only use my mouse to select ghosts |
| 13:10.49 | nevcairiel | yeah mouse to select ghosts by nameplate |
| 13:10.52 | Kalroth | (no, tab select isn't cool when your neighbour got 4 ghosts running wild) |
| 13:10.54 | nevcairiel | and keyboard to hit spells |
| 13:10.56 | Fisker- | Anyone know on naj'entus if you can get unlucky with breaking tidal shield and get extra damage? |
| 13:10.57 | xyu | yeah i like to see if i can kill mine before they move down the first set of stairs |
| 13:11.07 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: uh? never heard |
| 13:11.09 | Kalroth | Fisker-: unlucky? |
| 13:11.12 | nevcairiel | you get 8.5k dmg |
| 13:11.13 | xyu | what do you mean? |
| 13:11.14 | nevcairiel | and thats it |
| 13:11.17 | xyu | its static i thought |
| 13:11.22 | Fisker- | he has some other random target abilities |
| 13:11.29 | Fisker- | like crashing wave |
| 13:11.31 | nevcairiel | he doesnt do them during shield |
| 13:11.31 | Kalroth | yeah, you can get "unlucky" and get speared right before shield |
| 13:11.32 | xyu | that wave shit? |
| 13:11.49 | Fisker- | Not immediately after either nevcairiel ? |
| 13:11.50 | Kalroth | We had a hunter die to that :P He got spiked like 5 seconds before shield and noone did anything |
| 13:11.55 | xyu | if you bandage i think you'll live, if bandage is down. i suppose you could get hit w/ it right away |
| 13:11.57 | Grum | Fisker-: 3-4 seconds after |
| 13:11.59 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: no, you have like a few seconds |
| 13:12.01 | keiss | Fisker-: but he doesn't do it while he has the shield so if u have 8.5k+ at the time it gets bursted u will survive it |
| 13:12.06 | Kalroth | RL called "break shield" and the hunter got brutally executed |
| 13:12.13 | Fisker- | alright |
| 13:12.16 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: haha :D |
| 13:12.17 | Grum | then the huntar had <8.5k |
| 13:12.26 | nevcairiel | Grum: he had a spear in him :) |
| 13:12.34 | Kalroth | no, he had full health at call, then it ticked once |
| 13:12.39 | Fisker- | Raidleader said we absolutely needed 11½k hp buffed |
| 13:12.46 | nevcairiel | 10k is nice |
| 13:12.47 | xyu | i have 9 |
| 13:12.48 | xyu | lol |
| 13:12.48 | Kalroth | Fisker-: Sounds about right |
| 13:12.49 | nevcairiel | but more is not needed |
| 13:12.53 | xyu | but i'm mage, and can frost ward ^_^ |
| 13:12.58 | Grum | Fisker-: kek |
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| 13:13.06 | Grum | you need 8.5k :P |
| 13:13.12 | Kalroth | We get dumb people to wear their pvp gear :) |
| 13:13.14 | Fisker- | think most of us got atleast 10k |
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| 13:13.28 | Grum | everyone can get 10k |
| 13:13.44 | Kalroth | I can imagine the whines about Naj'entus in 2.4 |
| 13:13.50 | keiss | having 8.5k or close to it is an almost certain ticket to the graveyard :) |
| 13:14.12 | Kalroth | "Helo, I just craftd shadowgeer and now Najjentuss hitz for moar than my health, plz fix encountr" |
| 13:14.25 | doc^bla | yesterday we wiped on najentus with full t6 ;) |
| 13:14.35 | Grum | doc^bla: it can still happen :P |
| 13:14.40 | vhaarr | naj'entus will change in 2.4? |
| 13:14.51 | xyu | no, but people who should be in SSC will be in TK |
| 13:14.52 | Grum | no |
| 13:14.55 | xyu | i mean |
| 13:14.56 | Grum | people can go in there kek |
| 13:14.56 | xyu | BT |
| 13:14.57 | doc^bla | luckyly is was the first and went afk |
| 13:15.01 | vhaarr | ah hehe |
| 13:15.05 | doc^bla | i |
| 13:15.18 | xyu | BT najentus PUG LFM |
| 13:15.36 | Kalroth | "PLZ NEED 4 MORE SHAMMANS 4 ARCHIMAN" |
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| 13:15.46 | Fisker- | hehe |
| 13:15.53 | Fisker- | it'll definitely be possible with winterchill though |
| 13:15.58 | xyu | yep |
| 13:15.58 | Kalroth | Yup |
| 13:15.58 | Fisker- | if they can get past the waves of course |
| 13:16.11 | xyu | the whole alliance camp |
| 13:16.14 | xyu | shouldn't be a prob for a pug imo |
| 13:16.24 | winkiller | isn't early T6 much easier than KT/Vashj? |
| 13:16.33 | Kalroth | Hell, if a guild has killed Vashj, but not Kael, then there's still 3/5 in Hyjal and 3/9 in BT just waiting for them |
| 13:16.41 | xyu | in relative terms yes |
| 13:16.59 | xyu | when you were first zoning into ssc/TK it was harder than first zoning into BT |
| 13:17.01 | Kalroth | winkiller: It's about the same, but it's somewhat easier since you've been wiping on Kael :) |
| 13:17.01 | xyu | BT trash is so easy |
| 13:17.03 | winkiller | we are 3/4 and 2/6 - guess early MH would be easier :P |
| 13:17.18 | xyu | except that 1 pull before the tub |
| 13:17.20 | xyu | tube* |
| 13:17.29 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r63464 10Recount/GUI_Detail.lua: |
| 13:17.29 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 13:17.29 | CIA-9 | - Reverting reverse locale handling for spell school stuff in the details window. This will be fixed come 2.4. Should hopefully remove errors with German and other non-*EN clients. |
| 13:17.31 | winkiller | haven't tried karathress/leo/hydross thou |
| 13:17.46 | Grum | yeah we'll have that pack get nerfed in 2.4.1 xyu |
| 13:17.51 | Kalroth | Entering MH/BT with experience from Kael'thas = fairly easy raiding |
| 13:18.01 | Kalroth | Entering MH/BT with experience from Attumen = fairly hard raiding |
| 13:18.03 | keiss | Grum: rofled |
| 13:18.04 | vhaarr | I don't understand why guilds skip Hydross for Lurker |
| 13:18.07 | xyu | Grum: really? what are they doing? or is that just a guess |
| 13:18.08 | vhaarr | or VR for Alar |
| 13:18.12 | vhaarr | Alar for VR* |
| 13:18.19 | Grum | an educated guess |
| 13:18.25 | xyu | or even Solarian for VR |
| 13:18.25 | keiss | xyu: i think he is saying 'casuals will whine' |
| 13:18.29 | xyu | Solarian is easiest boss imo |
| 13:18.34 | xyu | the 20% "enrage" is so lol |
| 13:18.36 | vhaarr | yeah after the nerf she is cake |
| 13:18.38 | Grum | lurker is |
| 13:18.42 | Fisker- | solarian and al'ar were "hard" before the nerf |
| 13:18.45 | Fisker- | atleast compared to VR |
| 13:18.48 | vhaarr | al'ar was never hard |
| 13:18.51 | Fisker- | oh u |
| 13:18.53 | vhaarr | except when he had 6 spots in p1 |
| 13:18.55 | Grum | how was alar nerfed? |
| 13:18.58 | vhaarr | which was a long time ago |
| 13:19.10 | Grum | oh kek |
| 13:19.16 | Fisker- | A lot of people still go by those times :P |
| 13:19.26 | Fisker- | I told them to try out solarian after the patch |
| 13:19.30 | Fisker- | and our raid leaders refused |
| 13:19.31 | Grum | ah well i guess it is like version 1/2 of magtheridon |
| 13:19.36 | Grum | where the thrash was harder than the boss |
| 13:19.42 | Fisker- | Then i finally got them to try and he said we probably wouldn't get far with crappy resistance |
| 13:19.53 | vhaarr | I heard mag is getting changed a lot in 2.4 |
| 13:19.56 | xyu | Solarian = barron geddon w/ a few added elements. |
| 13:19.56 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 13:19.57 | Grum | yeah |
| 13:19.59 | xyu | Mag = onyxia |
| 13:20.01 | Grum | you will port in |
| 13:20.04 | Grum | and you will get loot |
| 13:20.05 | Kalroth | vhaarr: He clicks the cubes himself now. |
| 13:20.06 | vhaarr | I saw that 20 slot bag, think we will go back to killing him for it :P |
| 13:20.09 | vhaarr | rofl |
| 13:20.10 | Grum | and get ported to shattrah |
| 13:20.15 | Fisker- | no infernals, less spell haste and damage gained per channeler down, and no rotation for cubes |
| 13:20.15 | vhaarr | seriously, how did he get changed? |
| 13:20.19 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 13:20.28 | vhaarr | Fisker-: are you joking? |
| 13:20.29 | Fisker- | Only a 30 second cooldown on the cubes |
| 13:20.30 | Fisker- | no |
| 13:20.32 | xyu | no |
| 13:20.33 | Kalroth | "NOT AGAIN, NOT AGAIN, GOD YOU PLAYERS ARE DUMB. LET ME DO THE CLICKING." |
| 13:20.33 | vhaarr | jeez |
| 13:20.34 | xyu | it's correct |
| 13:20.42 | vhaarr | then we will do him for the bags no doubt |
| 13:20.47 | Grum | you can 6man him |
| 13:20.50 | Kalroth | He'll be Onyxia 2.0 |
| 13:20.54 | Fisker- | You can of course always rotate 3 groups to perma-banish him |
| 13:21.02 | vhaarr | haha |
| 13:21.02 | nevcairiel | really no infernals anymore? |
| 13:21.02 | Thrae | !icof Staff of the Wild; Braxxis' Staff of Slumber |
| 13:21.03 | nevcairiel | wtf |
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| 13:21.05 | Kalroth | And there will be infernals, but only 1 per channeler. |
| 13:21.10 | vhaarr | ah |
| 13:21.11 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 13:21.11 | vhaarr | well still |
| 13:21.12 | xyu | People will be killing him in 1 cube click :P |
| 13:21.16 | xyu | "Keep up the banish"! |
| 13:21.17 | Fisker- | i heard they were totally removed |
| 13:21.20 | Chompers | Fisker- |
| 13:21.27 | Chompers | how did hyjal go? |
| 13:21.38 | vhaarr | Fisker-: maybe the guild that told you that just killed the channelers so fast they didn't have time to spawn any |
| 13:21.44 | Fisker- | We've only gotten through the first boss |
| 13:21.49 | Fisker- | yeah i guess |
| 13:21.54 | Chompers | same as us then, going tonight? |
| 13:21.58 | Fisker- | Tomorrow |
| 13:21.59 | Grum | Rage is a one-evening boss :D |
| 13:22.03 | Fisker- | yup |
| 13:22.07 | winkiller | "PvE is hard. Sometimes there is fire to avoid" <- anyone knows where's that from? |
| 13:22.07 | Fisker- | We took him in 30 minutes |
| 13:22.11 | keiss | one-try boss even |
| 13:22.12 | Fisker- | didn't have time for anetheron |
| 13:22.14 | Chompers | we got the second boss to 50% |
| 13:22.16 | Fisker- | yup keiss :P |
| 13:22.19 | Chompers | then it was raid over :< |
| 13:22.30 | xyu | winkiller: about 3000 signatures on the forums? I don't know :) |
| 13:22.32 | keiss | anatheron is prolly 2nd hardest in MH , after Archimonde , *imo* |
| 13:22.33 | Kalroth | http://elitistjerks.com/643677-post1751.html |
| 13:22.38 | winkiller | xyu: yeah, but originally |
| 13:22.41 | Fisker- | Our raidleader changed trash tactics without using ventrilo to do so :P |
| 13:22.41 | Grum | we did 3/5MH 3/6BT in 2 raiding days O.o |
| 13:22.46 | Kalroth | "The Mind Exhaustion now lasts 30 seconds and only one infernal per channeler can be up." |
| 13:22.57 | Fisker- | So he couldn't understand why all the healers were standing out of range of the tanks when he had moved them |
| 13:23.00 | Kalroth | "We had 22 people in the raid, and each received something over 22 gold from the kill." |
| 13:23.00 | xyu | i think the horde camp is much harder than anatheron |
| 13:23.04 | Chompers | the guy who makes the warrior dps stuff got banned :< |
| 13:23.08 | Chompers | that sucks |
| 13:23.22 | winkiller | Chompers: what stuff? |
| 13:23.24 | Chompers | EJ are pretty strict on stuff |
| 13:23.26 | Kalroth | so around 490g on Magtheridon now |
| 13:23.41 | nevcairiel | i wonder how much gold a full BT run rewards now |
| 13:23.42 | keiss | xyu: no way , maybe the trash , not the bosses |
| 13:23.47 | doc^bla | chompers, that's me ;) |
| 13:23.48 | Kalroth | Chompers: yeah, that doctor allcum :) |
| 13:23.48 | Chompers | the spreadsheet and the ingame dps program |
| 13:23.54 | Kalroth | doc^bla: aha! |
| 13:24.13 | Kalroth | what was the reason? |
| 13:24.24 | Grum | cocksize wrong |
| 13:24.31 | winkiller | gief link |
| 13:24.35 | Chompers | i was really looking forward to seeing progress on his dps addonb |
| 13:24.35 | doc^bla | asking a question |
| 13:24.37 | winkiller | my dps warrior was 300 dps in kara last night |
| 13:24.45 | Chompers | could've been awesome |
| 13:24.53 | Kalroth | aha |
| 13:25.03 | doc^bla | it's quite advanced |
| 13:25.11 | Grum | all those spreadsheets |
| 13:25.14 | Grum | kek |
| 13:25.17 | Grum | i've never used one :P |
| 13:25.25 | xyu | i like the hunters, pretty sweeet |
| 13:25.33 | xyu | better than the mages imo. ^_^ |
| 13:25.34 | Grum | if you are BM its easy |
| 13:25.38 | Grum | there is just one rotation o.o |
| 13:26.01 | doc^bla | those sheets are mostly for selecting items |
| 13:26.10 | Grum | ratingbuster ftw? |
| 13:26.12 | doc^bla | you still have to play yourselfs ;) |
| 13:26.14 | CIA-9 | 03wobin * r63465 10Xparky/: Xparky - Added LibStub into the library |
| 13:26.23 | tz8 | heya |
| 13:26.36 | tz8 | who maintains jira & fisheye? |
| 13:26.46 | nevcairiel | Kaelten |
| 13:26.49 | xyu | i dont think i'm using ratingbuster toits full potential, does all it do is add a stat summary at the bottom of tooltips? |
| 13:26.55 | xyu | because that stat summary is pretty lackluster |
| 13:26.56 | tz8 | did wowace actuially pay for it? |
| 13:26.57 | xyu | doesn't have most stats |
| 13:27.02 | Grum | xyu: you can autogem stuff |
| 13:27.06 | Grum | and select which stats to show |
| 13:27.09 | nevcairiel | tz8: no its a opensource license |
| 13:27.10 | xyu | oh |
| 13:27.11 | Chompers | select the stats you want |
| 13:27.13 | xyu | then i'll have to play with it |
| 13:27.16 | xyu | i have the wrong stats up |
| 13:27.17 | Chompers | and autogem, thats sexy |
| 13:27.25 | Grum | yeah |
| 13:27.26 | Chompers | ./rb win |
| 13:27.30 | tz8 | nev: it is? not for enterprises i think |
| 13:27.31 | Fisker- | autogem? :o |
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| 13:27.45 | xyu | There's an addon that estimates the lenght of a boss fight and displays it. Does anyone know what it is called? |
| 13:27.55 | Grum | no |
| 13:27.56 | nevcairiel | tz8: thats what the footer says "Powered by a free Atlassian JIRA open source license for Ace." |
| 13:27.58 | Fisker- | deadlybossmods hoho |
| 13:28.00 | Fisker- | HOHOHO |
| 13:28.15 | xyu | na there's an ace one. i'll keep looking |
| 13:28.17 | doc^bla | more like deadlybigwigsripoff |
| 13:28.17 | xyu | i know it exists >< |
| 13:28.23 | Grum | Fisker-: you can tell it: 'this gem in R/Y/B/M' and it will use that in the calculations for that char |
| 13:28.40 | tz8 | hmmm... could be free as long as you develop open source projects with it... |
| 13:28.41 | Josh_Borke | tz8: it's free to open source projects but costs for anyone else |
| 13:28.51 | tz8 | kk |
| 13:28.52 | tz8 | thx! |
| 13:28.55 | Josh_Borke | i've checked :-) |
| 13:30.04 | winkiller | DBM has 1 killer feature over BigWigs |
| 13:30.14 | winkiller | "run away little girl, run away" at solarian |
| 13:30.14 | Grum | its never updated in time? |
| 13:30.19 | Chompers | the memory eating module |
| 13:30.19 | Grum | yeah |
| 13:30.22 | Chompers | OM NOM NOM |
| 13:30.24 | Grum | on that one i agree winkiller |
| 13:30.30 | xyu | i like to spam my friends w/ "Status" during boss fights |
| 13:30.32 | xyu | to see their progression |
| 13:30.35 | xyu | and laugh when someone dies |
| 13:30.39 | winkiller | I yell at people on TS |
| 13:30.42 | Kalroth | aye, same :) |
| 13:30.49 | Fisker- | Perhaps we should have SarcasticBigWigs |
| 13:30.57 | keiss | yeah , we have a dedicated yeller for that :D |
| 13:30.59 | Fisker- | or CondescendingBigWigs |
| 13:31.08 | Kalroth | L2PBigWigs |
| 13:31.18 | xyu | ThaddiusArrows |
| 13:31.18 | Grum | BigNubs |
| 13:31.19 | Chompers | pvpwigs |
| 13:31.25 | Chompers | begin the arguments! |
| 13:31.25 | Kalroth | I had one for C'thun and Heigan :) |
| 13:31.38 | xyu | Hogger module |
| 13:31.39 | Kalroth | "EYE BEAM? YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME?!" |
| 13:31.39 | Fisker- | tentacle rape party <3 |
| 13:31.49 | Grum | yeah kek |
| 13:31.56 | Kalroth | and "%t got splashed, learn to dance!" |
| 13:32.00 | Chompers | "get out of here stalker" x19 |
| 13:32.21 | Fisker- | They should do "STRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEER" for vashj |
| 13:32.28 | Fisker- | with half-life 2 voiceovers |
| 13:33.16 | xyu | Chant <I will not move when flame wreath is cast or the raid blows up> |
| 13:35.07 | Wobin | I <3 that chant |
| 13:35.15 | Wobin | we totally should incorporate it into Bigwigs |
| 13:35.41 | CIA-9 | 03wang * r63466 10PitBull/Aura/Core.lua: |
| 13:35.41 | CIA-9 | PitBull |
| 13:35.41 | CIA-9 | - zhCN update |
| 13:35.43 | Wobin | I'm sure the author won't mind =) He's already contributed the new victory sound =) |
| 13:37.26 | kebinusan | ~cthun |
| 13:37.27 | purl | *** Incoming tentacle rape party! ~10 seconds! *** |
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| 13:38.47 | kebinusan | yes I should add a lil thing to bigwigs to play something like the fifty dkp minus thing when they die |
| 13:38.57 | kebinusan | my raiders that is |
| 13:39.37 | Kalroth | I'm sure that wont get old fast! |
| 13:39.55 | kebinusan | they should stop dying |
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| 13:41.55 | Fisker- | CreepyBigWigs |
| 13:42.09 | Fisker- | Randomly whispers raid members with the Whispers of C'Thun. |
| 13:42.14 | Wobin | CreepyBigHairPiece |
| 13:42.26 | Dotted | kebinusan just a 2khz sound played for 2 minutes should get anyone to stop wiping |
| 13:42.57 | kebinusan | heh |
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| 13:43.17 | kebinusan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.45 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.00 | kebinusan | hehe |
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| 13:44.22 | kebinusan | I did like that DBM run away little girl thing tho |
| 13:44.26 | [dRaCo] | C'thun whispers: Chuck Norris counted to infinity. Twice. |
| 13:44.28 | [dRaCo] | ! |
| 13:44.38 | xyu | All ratingbuster does is compare 1 item to the next, yes? That's the only use i see from it. It just makes it easier to see what you'll get out of this item. |
| 13:44.56 | [dRaCo] | and convert ratings into % |
| 13:44.59 | xyu | and the gem thing, which i would be scared to use anyway :P |
| 13:45.00 | Fisker- | Chuck Norris singlehandedly stopped all chuck norris jokes |
| 13:45.03 | xyu | oki |
| 13:45.06 | kebinusan | C'thun whispers: A/S/L? |
| 13:45.17 | keiss | well it computes derivated stats too |
| 13:45.32 | xyu | it does? i dont see this |
| 13:45.43 | Thrae | Also has stats for Feral Druids, because we're special |
| 13:45.50 | kenlyric | yeah, one shouldn't forget the ratings busting portion of ratingsbuster |
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| 13:46.00 | doc^bla | ratingbuster can't tell you what stat is better for you right now |
| 13:46.00 | keiss | look into the config , maybe you have it turned off |
| 13:46.16 | kenlyric | doc^bla: no, RB can't think for you |
| 13:46.16 | kebinusan | yeah tho you may need to edit the summary to show things like spell hit, it doesnt show some things by default |
| 13:46.22 | Thrae | doc^bla: That's based up to preference anyway |
| 13:46.35 | Ellipsis | ratingbuster also can't gather badges for me and turn them in for the optimal rewards |
| 13:46.40 | kenlyric | Thrae: DEPENDS ON PLAYSTYLE |
| 13:46.43 | Cryect | too much thinking! |
| 13:46.54 | Cryect | need an addon to get badges and gather my loot! |
| 13:46.54 | kebinusan | it makes a fancy cup of tea tho |
| 13:47.00 | Cryect | I need to play progressquest some more |
| 13:47.00 | Wobin | can I train RatingsBuster to farm motes for me? |
| 13:47.10 | Thrae | Just like I just chose to use Braxxis' Staff of Slumber for quest grinding over Staff of the Wild |
| 13:47.10 | Ellipsis | I I trained mine to fetch the paper |
| 13:47.16 | [dRaCo] | make a feature request- |
| 13:47.16 | kebinusan | Cryect: heh been a while since Ive played that |
| 13:47.21 | xyu | Does it leave slobber on it? |
| 13:47.21 | Ellipsis | wow, half of that sentence disappeared |
| 13:47.27 | kenlyric | I just input that stats I *want*, and RB gets that gear for me |
| 13:47.29 | Ellipsis | xyu: only if it wants to get smacked |
| 13:47.38 | xyu | Bad RB Bad! |
| 13:47.42 | Thrae | !icof Staff of the Wild; Braxxis' Staff of Slumber |
| 13:47.42 | WoWLuaircBot | Thrae: Comparing [Staff of the Wild] vs [Braxxis' Staff of Slumber] for a Feral Druid; Item1 ++20 Agility (+22.66 Cat AP, +0.82% crit, +1.40% dodge, +20.60 AC (raw)); Item1 ++20 HitRating; Item2 ++1.947313 DPS; Item2 ++9 Stamina (+13.44 HP in Bear); Item2 ++550 Armour (+2805.00 in Bear); Item1 ++0.1 Delay; Item1 ++21 Strength (+47.59 AP); Item1 ++22.00 total AP; Item1 ++0.80% total crit; |
| 13:47.42 | WoWLuaircBot | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.08 | Thrae | Braxxis' Staff of Slumber has more AP, which I need since I already have high enough crit... |
| 13:48.34 | xyu | Hey Thrae, if we send that in a tell, is there a way we can make it multiline spam so its easier to compare? :D |
| 13:49.09 | Ellipsis | I find it amusing that it's comparing for a feral druid but includes weapon speed |
| 13:49.30 | Thrae | Ellipsis: Yeah, that's a bug |
| 13:50.01 | Ellipsis | unfortunately your bot doesn't answer the most important question about loot, though |
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| 13:50.09 | Ellipsis | "does this cloak make my butt look big?" |
| 13:50.39 | Cryect | your butt always looks big |
| 13:50.44 | Cryect | but thats good |
| 13:50.53 | xyu | hehe i like that old post "All new druid top end raiding gear graphic upgrade" Then it shows a screen shot of a bear. ^^ |
| 13:50.56 | xyu | or something like that |
| 13:51.56 | kenlyric | no, your ass makes your butt look big |
| 13:52.33 | kenlyric | at least that's what I tell my pregnant wife right before she throws the cat at me |
| 13:52.50 | Ellipsis | I'm sure that gets you lots of points |
| 13:53.57 | Fisker- | that's what i tell my employees before getting picked up by the police |
| 13:54.39 | Ellipsis | lol Fisker- is lies |
| 13:55.00 | Ellipsis | nobody would ever let Fisker- be their boss! |
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| 14:05.43 | CIA-9 | 03chexsum * r63467 10CombatAlert/ (CombatAlert.lua CombatAlert.toc readme.txt): |
| 14:05.43 | CIA-9 | CombatAlert: |
| 14:05.43 | CIA-9 | - Added SharedMedia support for sounds and options to change alert sounds |
| 14:05.43 | CIA-9 | - Added option to show incoming damage |
| 14:05.43 | CIA-9 | - Renamed 'crit' table as 'alert' |
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| 14:07.10 | Wobin | Bearform makes your butt look big |
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| 14:08.37 | Lukian | Thrae, you can never have enough crit :p |
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| 14:13.42 | Wobin | There was a SS earlier that had 75% dodge |
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| 14:21.36 | Nandini | 75% dodge = druid trinketwall. yay! |
| 14:21.56 | Chompers | oh Fisker-, you animal |
| 14:22.00 | Fisker- | no me |
| 14:22.33 | SunTsu | Nandini: What trinkets do you use? |
| 14:22.56 | nevcairiel | haha one of our druids has a trinket-wall that pushes him to 90% dodge or so, he once tanked two enrages on RoS p1 without one point of damage taken |
| 14:22.59 | Nandini | if you want the "trinketwall" effect most druids use badge of tenacity and moroes' pocketwatch |
| 14:23.14 | Nandini | and hope your idol of terror procs and you have agi totem |
| 14:23.29 | xyu | nevcairiel: what's funny is our rogues can get , what 98% dodge or whatever and they seemed to get their ass kicked on RoS |
| 14:23.33 | xyu | so annoying |
| 14:23.38 | nevcairiel | xyu: heh :p |
| 14:24.14 | Fisker- | xyu they also have lower defense than the boss have weapon skill |
| 14:24.26 | Fisker- | Whereas a tank will usually have plenty of defense |
| 14:24.33 | nevcairiel | yeah defense adds a lot of stuff too |
| 14:24.41 | xyu | our pally tank can tank all of phase 1 |
| 14:24.44 | Nandini | yup, boss gets extra chance to hit, crit, not be dodged, and not be parried on them |
| 14:24.58 | xyu | but we have probs w/ rogues |
| 14:24.59 | xyu | yeah |
| 14:25.10 | Nandini | wait maybe not to not be dodged or parried anymore, do bosses get expertise now? heheh |
| 14:25.25 | nevcairiel | it feels like some do, tho |
| 14:25.28 | Nandini | or is that still the same as weapon skill - defense skill |
| 14:26.22 | Chompers | [dirge] |
| 14:26.37 | Dklein | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.37 | Fisker- | I > U |
| 14:26.38 | Ellipsis | bwahaha, got you now Fisker-! |
| 14:26.43 | Ellipsis | you will never be the same |
| 14:26.47 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:26.51 | Chompers | noo |
| 14:27.20 | Chompers | keep stroking it...don't stop |
| 14:27.21 | Wobin | Shove it in a succubus =) |
| 14:27.28 | Thrae | What you can disenchant is based on your player's level, not your enchanting level, right? |
| 14:27.30 | Ellipsis | you'd like to see that wouldn't you |
| 14:27.37 | Wobin | Thrae: no, enchanting level |
| 14:27.37 | Ellipsis | no Thrae, it's your enchanting skill |
| 14:27.39 | Nandini | based on enchanting skill |
| 14:27.42 | Fisker- | lol |
| 14:27.45 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3111661827&sid=1 |
| 14:27.46 | Fisker- | HAHAHA |
| 14:27.46 | Wobin | which is -then- based on your level |
| 14:27.53 | Ellipsis | to some extent |
| 14:28.02 | Wobin | yeah, the limitations are there though |
| 14:28.03 | Fisker- | He didn't know yelling "L t A A f" was racist? :D |
| 14:28.06 | Fisker- | haha |
| 14:28.11 | Thrae | If I have an enchanting skill of 1, does that mean I can only DE level 1 items? |
| 14:28.15 | Wobin | ie, you need at least level 45 (I think) for level 70 stuff |
| 14:28.20 | Ellipsis | Thrae: it's based on ilevel |
| 14:28.24 | Wobin | No, you'll be able to de up to maybe level 30? |
| 14:28.31 | Ellipsis | no |
| 14:28.31 | Nandini | you can de items with ilvl 1-25 or 30 |
| 14:28.32 | Ellipsis | much lower |
| 14:28.47 | Chompers | what's L t A A f? |
| 14:28.51 | Ellipsis | at enchanting 1 you can DE things up to about reqlevel 15 or so |
| 14:28.52 | doc^bla | dunno |
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| 14:29.02 | Ellipsis | depending on quality of course |
| 14:29.08 | Fisker- | Chompers apparently it's nigga |
| 14:29.09 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.13 | Chompers | lawl |
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| 14:29.49 | Thrae | Lukian: See http://druid.wikispaces.com/ToskksDPSGearMethod |
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| 14:30.17 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=13262 |
| 14:30.20 | Wobin | There you go Thrae |
| 14:30.26 | Wobin | A list of levels/req |
| 14:30.32 | Thrae | Darn, I was hoping to use DE while I level up to 70 |
| 14:30.37 | Wobin | Skill 1 = 1-20 |
| 14:30.56 | Wobin | It used to work that way |
| 14:30.58 | Wobin | until 2.0 |
| 14:31.01 | Ellipsis | so I have a question for all you people who actually maintain addons |
| 14:31.07 | Wobin | who're they? |
| 14:31.21 | Ellipsis | what do you do when a user makes a feature request, you say "sure, if you submit a patch" and then they do, but it's unusably bad? |
| 14:31.31 | Thrae | Hmmm, then maybe Herbalism then...but I'd have to go back and Herb like crazy, ugh |
| 14:31.36 | Ellipsis | I mean...you did agree to do it, but on the other hand, you have to rewrite all that code |
| 14:31.42 | Wobin | Thrae: herb is easy to level |
| 14:31.48 | Ellipsis | the whole point of asking for a patch was not having to do the work yourself |
| 14:31.59 | Wobin | Ellipsis: I would originally say: "Send me the patch and I'll consider it" |
| 14:32.14 | Wobin | Then again, I've got a patch for Cart_Way I've been sitting on |
| 14:32.15 | Thrae | Wobin: Only if you do it while you level. |
| 14:32.27 | Wobin | but I can't bring myself to fix cart_waypoints |
| 14:32.37 | Ellipsis | Wobin: it needs it, a lot :P |
| 14:32.37 | Wobin | Thrae: Nah, once you reach, say 200 in herb |
| 14:32.54 | Wobin | You can go to Swamp of Sorrows and grind to 375 almost =P |
| 14:33.02 | Wobin | Ellipsis: I'm no longer maintaining it at all =) |
| 14:33.03 | Ellipsis | but yeah, I generally use the "if you submit a patch" line because it scares most whiny users away |
| 14:33.11 | Ellipsis | since they're afraid of code |
| 14:33.16 | Thrae | Wobin: A hacker removed my secondary profession, so now that I have one free, I'm thinking of which profession I should use while I level up to 70 along with mining to make gold. |
| 14:33.29 | Wobin | to make gold? |
| 14:33.29 | Ellipsis | it's just that sometimes they take it as a mission they now must complete as hackishly as possible |
| 14:33.29 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: I don't maintain an addon, but I'd refuse the patch and tell him to work on it again |
| 14:33.31 | Fisker- | why not get it restored instead? |
| 14:33.39 | sun\sehmet | what is the name for the game damage font ? |
| 14:33.40 | SunTsu | Thrae: Jewelcrafting |
| 14:33.44 | Wobin | Ellipsis: just tell them it's horrible |
| 14:33.49 | Chompers | Ellipsis: is ckk around? |
| 14:33.50 | Wobin | SunTsu: He wants to MAKE gold =P |
| 14:33.56 | Ellipsis | Chompers: sleeping, why? |
| 14:34.04 | SunTsu | Wobin: I understood that quite well |
| 14:34.14 | Chompers | whenever you speak to him, thank him for the program he helped me with |
| 14:34.15 | Nandini | just say that the patch doesn't quite match the level of coding, but thanks for his contribution, you'll keep it around in case you might be able to incorporate some of it at a later date |
| 14:34.18 | Chompers | i passed the course ;) |
| 14:34.27 | Ellipsis | well grats, and I'll try to remember to do that |
| 14:34.28 | Wobin | You need a good base of cash to effectively get enough material to make money in JC |
| 14:34.31 | SunTsu | Wobin: I just leveled JC and didn't invest anything, merely made money of it |
| 14:34.39 | Ellipsis | he'll be up in a couple hours if you want to thank him yourself though :) |
| 14:34.44 | Thrae | SunTsu: On my server, usually I can get better prices for the ore itself |
| 14:34.50 | SunTsu | Wobin: He is a miner.. He can get all he needs by that |
| 14:34.53 | Fisker- | GET IT RESTORED THRAE RAWR |
| 14:35.06 | SunTsu | Thrae: Than for the jewels you get from prospecting? |
| 14:35.06 | Wobin | Easier to have two gathering professions |
| 14:35.12 | Wobin | and sell it all for fat bags of cash |
| 14:35.18 | Wobin | Thrae: I'd go skinning |
| 14:35.21 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 14:35.24 | Wobin | it's relatively easy to level up |
| 14:35.35 | Wobin | and you can get good stuff to sell in TBC |
| 14:35.36 | Ellipsis | skinning or herbing, depending on how much pain you want to put yourself through |
| 14:35.45 | Ellipsis | and how much you want to get out of it when you hit 70 |
| 14:35.56 | Wobin | I find herbing a lot more competitive |
| 14:36.03 | Wobin | ie, if you don't have a fast mount, you can get sniped |
| 14:36.12 | Wobin | skinning, it's anything you kill yourself |
| 14:36.14 | Nandini | well, the only competetive things to skin are the silly snakes |
| 14:36.24 | Wobin | And you keep the country BEAUTIFUL =) |
| 14:36.25 | Ellipsis | silly snakes? now that sounds like a fun mob |
| 14:36.27 | Fisker- | btw Chompers |
| 14:36.30 | Fisker- | what program was that? |
| 14:36.32 | Nandini | they're cute |
| 14:36.39 | SunTsu | I just never had anybody buy my leather on AH |
| 14:36.39 | Nandini | and non aggressive |
| 14:36.42 | Thrae | Fisker-: The hacker leveled my mining from 200-something to 375 and sold all his ore, jewels, and drops on the AH, netting me ~900 gold. He also leveled me from 59 to 62 during the process. A loss of ~200 engineering wasn't that big a deal to me ;) |
| 14:36.47 | evl_ | is running without embeds not cool anymore? |
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| 14:37.03 | Fisker- | nice hacker Thrae :) |
| 14:37.10 | Nandini | i sell heavy knothide leather in quantities of 4 |
| 14:37.14 | Thrae | Now I'm also level 65. I just want a simple secondary profession that's easy to level up |
| 14:37.21 | Ellipsis | evl_: don't give in to peer pressure! think for yourself~ |
| 14:37.26 | Nandini | but the big money is selling cobra scales |
| 14:37.31 | Wobin | Yeah, sell the mats in groups of what's required for items |
| 14:37.35 | Wobin | Cobra scales sell so well |
| 14:37.37 | Thrae | s#also#almost# |
| 14:38.03 | SunTsu | Nandini: Then my realm is special. I'm trying to sell them for some weeks now, nobody ever busy them |
| 14:38.08 | Fisker- | herbalism is probably the easiest profession to level |
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| 14:38.12 | Nandini | i chose 4 for heavy knothide because it's not way too much to buy for someone who needs 1 or 2, and almost nothing needs more than 4 |
| 14:38.16 | Wobin | Thrae: Skinning then. No need to wait for node respawns |
| 14:38.24 | Wobin | Just kill stuff |
| 14:38.33 | Wobin | what class are you? |
| 14:38.50 | Nandini | druids love to kill snakes :) |
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| 14:39.02 | Thrae | Wobin: Druid. What would be the rough estimate of how long it would take to level up to where I can skin level 65+ mobs? |
| 14:39.15 | Ellipsis | druids are great at leveling skinning quickly |
| 14:39.17 | Nandini | you could do it in a day |
| 14:39.37 | Wobin | maybe a bit more |
| 14:39.39 | Nandini | first you skin level 1-10 mobs, then 11-20, etc. |
| 14:39.42 | Ellipsis | I would say a day |
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| 14:40.04 | Ellipsis | I've done it 1-375 in two days on a druid, but she was full resto and her form of dps was moonfire spam |
| 14:40.10 | xyu | i know what my first addon i'm going to write is going to be! (even though i know nothing of code) can someone tell me if it's at least possible: A small addon that just displays a number that increases as each fireball is cast and resets after a scorch is cast. |
| 14:40.11 | Wobin | If you have a leatherworking friend, they can help consolidate the leather you skin |
| 14:40.14 | Thrae | A day meaning about 5 hours of work? |
| 14:40.25 | Nandini | i unlearned it and relearned it in under 6 hours on my druid |
| 14:40.28 | xyu | Is something like this doable? |
| 14:40.38 | Ellipsis | xyu: sure is, though you may wish to wait til 2.4 |
| 14:40.54 | [dRaCo] | but it's doable now, too |
| 14:40.57 | xyu | oki, thanks. I don't want it to increase on keypress though |
| 14:41.04 | xyu | because i spam my fireball key |
| 14:41.07 | xyu | is that ok? |
| 14:41.07 | Ellipsis | you'll listen for the cast succeeded event |
| 14:41.10 | xyu | ok |
| 14:41.11 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 14:41.13 | Thrae | Alright, I'll look at Herbalism and Skinning as two possibilities. |
| 14:41.41 | xyu | sometimes i don't "own" the scorch debuff timer. And i'd like to know which fireball count i'm on ^_^ |
| 14:41.42 | [dRaCo] | but as Ellipsis mentioned, if you code it now, it'll probably be useless once 2.4 hits the live servers |
| 14:41.47 | SunTsu | Thrae: Well, herbalism has a big drawback: You can't track mines and herbs at the same time |
| 14:41.48 | Nandini | to be honest, i'd suggest mining and skinning |
| 14:41.48 | xyu | yeah i'll wait |
| 14:41.54 | Wobin | To properly farm ore in TBC you need to fly |
| 14:42.16 | Nandini | mining produces mats used in large quantities by 3 different professions |
| 14:42.19 | Wobin | which you can in 3 levels =) |
| 14:42.22 | Thrae | SunTsu: True |
| 14:42.24 | Ellipsis | actually, the changes to convert cast event stuff to 2.4 are minimal, but they're still there |
| 14:42.32 | Nandini | herbalism produces mats used in small quantities by a single profession |
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| 14:42.45 | Wobin | skinning provides mats mostly used by one profession |
| 14:42.46 | xyu | Its ok, i'l just use this time to gather knowledge |
| 14:42.50 | SunTsu | I just found out that mining(350) can be reached in Azeroth alone ;) |
| 14:42.55 | Wobin | There some spillover into tailoring, but not much |
| 14:43.01 | xyu | I'm going to need some help anyway, i'll try looking at other addons. maybe find something similar ^^ |
| 14:43.04 | Wobin | SunTsu: yeah, Rich Thorium and Dark Iron Ore |
| 14:43.13 | Nandini | most engineering plans at the high end will require a piece of leather too |
| 14:43.16 | Nandini | but usually only 1 or 2 |
| 14:43.34 | Wobin | leg armour is the place to be =) |
| 14:43.35 | Nandini | you really only want skinning for farming scales |
| 14:43.41 | Nandini | and clefthoofs |
| 14:43.44 | Wobin | aye |
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| 14:43.59 | SunTsu | Wobin: Yeah, made Jewelcrafting 150-300 yesterday and Engineering 1-230 ;) |
| 14:44.10 | Thrae | Oh yeah that reminds me, I do want Clefthoofs |
| 14:44.16 | Thrae | So skinning will make that simple |
| 14:44.25 | Wobin | SunTsu: hehe you're a masochist, aren't you? =) The only way you could do worse is Enchanting and Engineering =) |
| 14:44.29 | [dRaCo] | clefthoofs are nice, since you also get great buff food. |
| 14:44.33 | SunTsu | Thrae: Don't forget to skill cooking |
| 14:44.37 | Wobin | Oh totally |
| 14:44.41 | [dRaCo] | even if you don't use it, it sells |
| 14:44.42 | Wobin | Cooking in TBC rocks |
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| 14:44.44 | Wobin | and fishing |
| 14:44.46 | Nandini | there are actually some foods that sell well on my realm |
| 14:44.50 | Ellipsis | fishing is teh win |
| 14:44.53 | Nandini | and not just crawdad either |
| 14:44.56 | xyu | fishing dailies inc! |
| 14:44.59 | Wobin | Fishsticks! |
| 14:44.59 | Ellipsis | crawdad is meh |
| 14:45.08 | Nandini | blackened basilisk goes for a lot of money for some reason |
| 14:45.09 | Wobin | And MrPinchy |
| 14:45.12 | xyu | fishsticks go for 44g / stack on my server |
| 14:45.16 | Wobin | Nandini: well, spell+ |
| 14:45.17 | Nandini | i have magical crawdad box |
| 14:45.18 | SunTsu | Wobin: Well, Enchanting, Herbalism and 2 taylors reached 300 last week ;) |
| 14:45.20 | Ellipsis | darter is better, and zangar fishing can be good for trash lewts + sporefish |
| 14:45.33 | Nandini | and goldenscale vendorfishes! |
| 14:45.38 | Ellipsis | naturally :) |
| 14:45.38 | Wobin | the sporefish is good agi |
| 14:45.45 | Wobin | (I think it's sporefish) |
| 14:45.51 | Ellipsis | sporefish is mp5 |
| 14:45.57 | Wobin | oh duh |
| 14:46.00 | Ellipsis | agi is warp burgers and mudfish from nagrand |
| 14:46.03 | Wobin | You'd think with all the ones I sold I'd recall |
| 14:46.05 | Chompers | i need 8 fel armaments, any easy method of obtaining them? |
| 14:46.10 | break19 | warp burger.. yea.. what elli said |
| 14:46.12 | Wobin | 1.5g per sporefish |
| 14:46.12 | Chompers | or is it just 'kill lots of demons' |
| 14:46.18 | Wobin | Chompers: yeah |
| 14:46.22 | Nandini | run SL a few times or buy them from the AH |
| 14:46.25 | Wobin | Chompers: or trade arcane tomes |
| 14:46.30 | Chompers | i hate getting new shoulders :/ |
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| 14:46.41 | Nandini | or kill demons in SMV or blade's edge plateaus |
| 14:46.57 | Ellipsis | tbh the best fel armaments drop rates I ever found were on the guys around auchindoun just south of the camp |
| 14:47.03 | SunTsu | Wobin: my 4 alts reached 60, finally, and I put myself under the constraint that they only go through the portal after reaching level 60 and maxed out all their (primary) professions and first aid |
| 14:47.13 | Wobin | SunTsu: hehe cool =) |
| 14:47.32 | SunTsu | Chompers: Netherstorm. The ruins on south east of area 52 |
| 14:47.32 | Wobin | Actually, I don't fish that much |
| 14:47.41 | Wobin | I just make stuff from the barrels of fish from the cooking dailies |
| 14:47.44 | Ellipsis | SunTsu: so about those masochistic tendencies... |
| 14:47.52 | Nandini | i just fish for my tanking food, i take an hour once a week |
| 14:47.53 | Wobin | and I take a crate of meat every now and again to get mats for the dailies |
| 14:48.05 | Wobin | Fisherman's Feast ftw =) |
| 14:48.16 | Nandini | i find myself using agi food for trash usually now tho |
| 14:48.30 | Wobin | Spicy Hot Talbuk == win |
| 14:48.31 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: No, not at all. It's just that they can help each other and I can make money of it because I don't have much that I myself can't build |
| 14:48.35 | Ellipsis | I sitll haven't gotten my dang cake recipe |
| 14:48.41 | Wobin | Ellipsis: I know! =( |
| 14:48.43 | Ellipsis | everything else I've got |
| 14:48.45 | Wobin | Same =( |
| 14:48.46 | Nandini | i can make you very happy :) |
| 14:48.47 | Ellipsis | but that one refuses to drop |
| 14:49.03 | Wobin | hm |
| 14:49.08 | Nandini | i like stormchops |
| 14:49.14 | Wobin | I wonder... is the crate/barrel bop? |
| 14:49.24 | Nandini | yes |
| 14:49.27 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 14:49.29 | Wobin | damn =) |
| 14:49.33 | SunTsu | I got that cake, all I am waiting on is the 2nd hunter's recipe |
| 14:49.35 | Nandini | so are the recipies inside |
| 14:49.52 | Nandini | stormchops are fun in pvp |
| 14:50.07 | SunTsu | I got kibbler's bits, there is another one, right? |
| 14:50.08 | Nandini | cuz when i pounce someone and it procs, ppl always think omg there is an ele shammy here with him hiding somewhere |
| 14:50.15 | Wobin | For pets? |
| 14:50.17 | Wobin | Yeah |
| 14:50.20 | Wobin | Sporeling Snack |
| 14:50.30 | Wobin | one's +stam the other's +str? |
| 14:50.34 | Nandini | yup |
| 14:50.39 | SunTsu | Wobin: Ah, yeah, that's the one I'm missing |
| 14:50.45 | Nandini | sporeling snack is stam |
| 14:50.46 | SunTsu | Thanks |
| 14:50.51 | Wobin | Sporeling snack is bought from the sporelings |
| 14:50.54 | Wobin | (duh =P) |
| 14:50.57 | Nandini | you can buy it for 1 glowcap i think |
| 14:50.59 | Wobin | in Zangarmarsh |
| 14:51.15 | SunTsu | Wobin: I know, I just thought it might me in the crates, too |
| 14:51.20 | SunTsu | s/me/be/ |
| 14:51.58 | Wobin | SunTsu: no |
| 14:52.19 | SunTsu | Wobin: OK, thanks, then I'm gonna buy it tonight |
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| 14:53.20 | Wobin | The crates/barrels have Stormchops, Spicy Hot Talbuk, Chococlate Cake, Kiblers Bits, Broiled Bloodfish and Skullfish soup |
| 14:53.55 | Wobin | Skullfish soup is kinda cool |
| 14:54.01 | Ellipsis | the fish ones are only from fish crates and the talbuk/bits are only from meat crates |
| 14:54.12 | Ellipsis | which is annoying >_> |
| 14:54.19 | SunTsu | OK, the last one's are still to come. Got to play my main again ;) |
| 14:54.34 | Wobin | I <3 Spicy Hot Talbuk |
| 14:54.40 | SunTsu | Ah, that explains, looks like I should take the fish crates sometimes ;) |
| 14:54.42 | Wobin | if only for the fact it's horribly easy to get the mats |
| 14:55.06 | Ellipsis | I've started boycotting fish crates since they bugged the loot in them |
| 14:55.19 | Wobin | really? |
| 14:55.21 | Wobin | howso? |
| 14:55.27 | Ellipsis | they made it drop 1 stack rather than 2 |
| 14:55.37 | Ellipsis | and meat crates still do 2, so... |
| 14:55.44 | SunTsu | Now that my alts can use this food I finally got rid of the lots of meat I had in the bank |
| 14:56.28 | nevcairiel | fish crates drop 2 stacks for me |
| 14:56.29 | Wobin | I only take the meat crates now to replenish my stocks for the cooking quests |
| 14:56.41 | Wobin | I'm fairly sure they dump two for me too |
| 14:56.46 | Ellipsis | besides, I had to quit fishing already because seeing the crawdad icon made me crave sushi all the time...I could do without seeing it in fish crates anyway :P |
| 14:56.52 | Wobin | Of course it's sometimes two of the same fish... |
| 14:57.01 | Ellipsis | they may have fixed it |
| 14:57.44 | Wobin | anyway |
| 14:57.46 | Wobin | gnight all |
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| 15:09.36 | xyu | see, this is something i thought RatingBuster would more be like . http://www.lootrank.com/wow/rank.asp |
| 15:09.51 | xyu | something you could add weights to. |
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| 15:10.48 | [dRaCo] | xyu: pawn is what you were looking for. |
| 15:11.08 | xyu | ah, ok thanks |
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| 15:12.52 | [dRaCo] | and no, it's not on wowace. |
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| 15:14.38 | Chompers | morning ckk |
| 15:14.45 | ckknight | morning |
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| 15:24.48 | CIA-9 | NShakedown: |
| 15:24.49 | CIA-9 | - RegisterTranslations -> AddTranslations |
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| 15:26.59 | Fisker- | How much rep do you get from trash in BT? |
| 15:28.55 | EvilJohn- | varies per mob |
| 15:29.15 | EvilJohn- | between 5 and 22, I've seen so far |
| 15:30.01 | Chompers | Fisker-: we got a first kill in bt last night |
| 15:30.03 | Chompers | a toad |
| 15:30.25 | nevcairiel | grats? |
| 15:30.47 | Chompers | indeed |
| 15:30.55 | Chompers | only 8 deaths too |
| 15:30.59 | SunTsu | Chompers: Great, what did it drop? Did you take a screen shot? |
| 15:31.07 | Chompers | picture and everything |
| 15:31.14 | nevcairiel | ss or it didnt happen! |
| 15:36.41 | Grum | Fisker-: you get exalted with BT in notime |
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| 15:37.53 | Chompers | how about MH? |
| 15:37.59 | xyu | [dRaCo]: is pawn an ace affiliated addon? i dont think it's on wau , right? |
| 15:38.47 | [dRaCo] | [16:13:33] ([dRaCo]): and no, it's not on wowace. |
| 15:38.48 | [dRaCo] | ;) |
| 15:38.58 | xyu | oops ^^ thanks |
| 15:39.14 | [dRaCo] | check wowi or any other addon site of your choice |
| 15:39.42 | xyu | yeah i found it ^-^ |
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| 15:44.13 | winkiller | pawn was.. what again? |
| 15:44.18 | winkiller | with the weighting strings? |
| 15:44.24 | winkiller | to compare gear? |
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| 15:45.59 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
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| 15:50.37 | evl | is babble-3.0 backwards compat? |
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| 15:53.22 | dylanm | I thought no one was to use that anymore. |
| 15:54.06 | evl | Babble-3.0? Recount requires it apparently |
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| 16:02.27 | nevcairiel | yay for Saroz_ |
| 16:02.42 | sb | nevcairiel: bt4 eta? :p |
| 16:02.58 | nevcairiel | to quote one of the best game designers "When its done" |
| 16:03.29 | sb | thats dn3d, right? :p |
| 16:03.33 | sb | err forever |
| 16:03.42 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 16:03.49 | sb | :) |
| 16:03.50 | nevcairiel | they actually released stuff |
| 16:03.54 | nevcairiel | John Carmack said that |
| 16:03.58 | sb | i know ;) |
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| 16:05.43 | EvilJohn- | yeah, that's id's saying |
| 16:05.58 | EvilJohn- | not that I would call John a great game designer, not by any means |
| 16:06.07 | EvilJohn- | great game engine developer |
| 16:06.25 | nevcairiel | whatever works for you, i still love Q3 :) |
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| 16:06.39 | xyu | Does anyone know the IP of wowarmory? i still don't know how to get it to load :P |
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| 16:06.44 | EvilJohn- | John wouldn't even call himself that really |
| 16:06.44 | xyu | i keep getting the go daddy page |
| 16:06.45 | sylvanaar_work | any of you logged into the game? |
| 16:06.52 | xyu | i am (us servers) |
| 16:06.54 | nevcairiel | (17:06:50) —› dns: resolving (www.wowarmory.com)... |
| 16:06.54 | nevcairiel | (17:06:51) —› dns: resolved (www.wowarmory.com) to (12.129.242.20) |
| 16:06.59 | xyu | thanks |
| 16:07.03 | haste | http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time is also nice |
| 16:07.18 | nevcairiel | valve did some nice stuff too |
| 16:07.19 | nevcairiel | engine-wise |
| 16:07.21 | xyu | nevcairiel: how do i get that ip to be wowarmory ? >< |
| 16:07.37 | EvilJohn- | yes they did |
| 16:07.37 | nevcairiel | C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts |
| 16:07.52 | EvilJohn- | even though the core of the engine is still stuff id wrote |
| 16:07.52 | nevcairiel | or /etc/hosts on *nix |
| 16:08.06 | nevcairiel | yeah but the physics engine in hl2 kicked ass |
| 16:08.25 | haste | HL2 doesn't run "great" on systems tho' |
| 16:08.26 | EvilJohn- | it was just havoc, wasn't it? |
| 16:08.33 | haste | it runs, but not as well as it could |
| 16:09.20 | haste | also, didn't they just buy havoc? |
| 16:09.58 | haste | "Havok Physics, better known as simply Havok, is a middleware physics engine developed by Irish company Havok." |
| 16:09.58 | nevcairiel | I dunno, it felt and looked better in hl2 then in other havok games |
| 16:10.05 | EvilJohn- | yeah, it's havok, my bad |
| 16:10.32 | EvilJohn- | wikipedia says "Heavily-modified", I'd say that's probably true |
| 16:10.55 | EvilJohn- | I don't really know anyone up there, so I never got any good info on the kind of changes they did |
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| 16:11.26 | nevcairiel | Hm i still have HL2:Ep1 and :Ep2 to play |
| 16:11.28 | nevcairiel | never got around to it |
| 16:11.41 | EvilJohn- | i was never a big valve fan |
| 16:11.50 | haste | same, but mostly because HL2 runs beyond horrible under wine |
| 16:11.52 | EvilJohn- | never got into CS, and I thought HL and HL2 were overrated |
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| 16:12.07 | nevcairiel | i never got into any of those tactical shooters |
| 16:12.18 | nevcairiel | i developed plugins for CS tho |
| 16:12.21 | haste | I enjoyed BF1942 during that time :3 |
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| 16:12.43 | syeren | haste, your oUF look interesting! |
| 16:12.44 | elusif | i have a great idea for a mod |
| 16:13.02 | haste | syeren: it still requires quite a lot of work tho' :< |
| 16:13.18 | nevcairiel | get on to it then! |
| 16:13.21 | syeren | I know, and I'm not good enough at lua to even consider using them :( |
| 16:13.28 | haste | but I'm le tired :( |
| 16:13.34 | haste | I've been up since 03:00 |
| 16:14.11 | xyu | nevcairiel: another question. once i'm in the hosts file. I typed in 12.129.242.20 wowarmory.com and saved it. (it did not work) am i doing something wrong? :) |
| 16:14.27 | nevcairiel | you need www.wowarmory.com |
| 16:14.29 | nevcairiel | i suppose |
| 16:14.35 | EvilJohn- | can you ping by www.wowarmory.com ? |
| 16:14.40 | haste | syeren: well, you could always use Lily as a base, and take a look at the other layouts |
| 16:15.01 | haste | the people are pretty helpful in the thread if you come up with a attempt, and explains what you intend to do |
| 16:15.41 | xyu | nevcairiel: that worked. needed the www |
| 16:15.54 | chexsum_ | windows doesnt use hosts first until you tell it to |
| 16:16.11 | xyu | yeah, i had to tell it to. becaus when i went to www.wowarmory.com it took me to the "go daddy" page |
| 16:16.28 | Chaud | armory.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 16:16.52 | nevcairiel | any OS uses the hosts file before anything else |
| 16:16.56 | nevcairiel | any OS that i know of anyway |
| 16:16.59 | chexsum_ | incorrect |
| 16:17.08 | chexsum_ | windows doesnt use it first |
| 16:17.20 | haste | then what does it use first? |
| 16:17.21 | chexsum_ | you need to tell the resolver to use it first |
| 16:17.21 | nevcairiel | i can enter a url in the hosts file and not do _anything_ else, and it works |
| 16:17.30 | nevcairiel | i never told my resolver to change behaviour |
| 16:17.35 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.40 | SunTsu | haste: You can make some unices use it first |
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| 16:17.52 | SunTsu | haste: And even solely, that is |
| 16:17.57 | xyu | I can't ping armory.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 16:18.04 | haste | SunTsu: unices :p ? |
| 16:18.06 | xyu | Request timed out. |
| 16:18.19 | SunTsu | xyu: You can put more than one resolution in it |
| 16:18.24 | chexsum_ | try rebooting the moem to get another ip .: a new route |
| 16:18.28 | chexsum_ | modem |
| 16:18.31 | SunTsu | haste: Linux, BSD, and such |
| 16:18.41 | xyu | oki |
| 16:18.51 | Chaud | why do you want to ping it =\ |
| 16:18.56 | SunTsu | xyu: 12.129.242.20 wowarmory.com www.wowarmory.com armory.worldofwarcraft.com for instance |
| 16:18.57 | haste | SunTsu: now I'm slightly confused (most likely because of the lack of sleep tho') |
| 16:18.58 | nevcairiel | anyway chexsum_, i've never had to touch any settings in windows to make the hosts file work, maybe you use a weird windows :) |
| 16:19.13 | SunTsu | haste: Why? |
| 16:19.34 | haste | SunTsu: I have no idea why nix just entered :p |
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| 16:26.37 | SunTsu | haste: Ah, I can see your confusion |
| 16:26.44 | SunTsu | haste: Sort of misunderstanding ;) |
| 16:26.56 | haste | cheers :3 |
| 16:27.07 | haste | I'm pretty much a zombie atm also |
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| 16:27.19 | haste | wouldn't suprise me if I completly missed something |
| 16:28.06 | nevcairiel | sleep? |
| 16:28.13 | haste | soon |
| 16:28.28 | haste | just going to see if I get a spot for ZA or not :p |
| 16:28.44 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63472 10oRA2/Leader/Invite.lua: oRA2: Leader/Invite: Make sure GetRaidRosterInfo didn't return nil. |
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| 16:33.41 | voidwalker | i have lightheaded addon installed, but it doesn't work anymore, any ideas? |
| 16:34.12 | Chaud | Update it? |
| 16:34.59 | Mellerfal | voidwalker: I would ensure you have the sub-addons for the actual data enabled, as well as figure out whether your other addons are configured to display the data or if you need to display it manually. |
| 16:35.23 | Mellerfal | voidwalker: I know nQuestLog will pull information from LH automatically... |
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| 16:44.02 | harldephin | wtf? why's my prat lost its settings oO |
| 16:44.30 | voidwalker | SUB-ADDONS? |
| 16:46.07 | harldephin | woot? |
| 16:47.45 | Olison | [Liquidor]: gz on your armory light :) |
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| 16:48.49 | what-K | hi all i look for an addon like eqcompare but in ace can someone help me ? |
| 16:49.09 | Chompers | blizzards own works just fine |
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| 16:49.18 | Chompers | that and ratingsbuster |
| 16:49.55 | Mellerfal | TekKompare isn't bad at all, either, but I don't believe that's Ace'd |
| 16:50.06 | voidwalker | somebody killed the questgiver, what to do ? when will he respawn? |
| 16:50.14 | nevcairiel | neva! |
| 16:50.21 | harldephin | lol -.- |
| 16:50.25 | nevcairiel | which questgiver anyway? |
| 16:50.25 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:50.57 | what-K | i look for an addon that i can click on an item and it compares with my own item |
| 16:51.21 | nevcairiel | ratingbuster does that |
| 16:51.30 | what-K | really ? |
| 16:51.51 | nevcairiel | turn on the summary display |
| 16:51.56 | nevcairiel | not sure if its on by default |
| 16:52.15 | Mellerfal | RatingBuster will give you delta values as well. i.e. it will tell you that your health will increase by so much with the new item. |
| 16:52.33 | what-K | yes but dont compare ites |
| 16:53.02 | dylanm | EQCompare is Ace. What the hell are you going on about |
| 16:53.02 | SunTsu | what-K: Of course it compares, it just doesn't put them side by side by itself, though |
| 16:53.15 | nevcairiel | EQCompare is broken no? |
| 16:53.22 | what-K | SunTsu for such an addon im searching |
| 16:53.26 | dylanm | Use tekKompare. |
| 16:53.31 | SunTsu | dylanm: It also is sort of discontinued, though it works allright |
| 16:53.36 | nevcairiel | what-K: press shift while hovering the item :P |
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| 16:55.24 | Chompers | harhar |
| 16:56.42 | dylanm | http://git.tekkub.net/tekKompare/snapshot/tekKompare-master.zip |
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| 16:59.35 | Elsia | heya |
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| 17:00.06 | dylanm | ~wave Elsia |
| 17:00.07 | purl | Bye, Elsia |
| 17:00.11 | dylanm | Nooo purl. |
| 17:00.23 | SunTsu | ~fail dylanm |
| 17:00.24 | purl | dylanm: Fail. |
| 17:00.35 | SunTsu | Good purl |
| 17:01.05 | Stanzilla | ~botsnack |
| 17:01.05 | purl | Stanzilla: thanks |
| 17:01.06 | Elsia | hehe |
| 17:01.14 | Elsia | ~pat purl |
| 17:01.14 | purl | ACTION pats purl and says "Nicely Done!" |
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| 17:07.50 | cncfanatics | How to: Ace an addon: put -Ace2- at the end of its name and replace AddonName = {}; by AddonName = AceLibrary(...); |
| 17:08.11 | dylanm | Congratulations! Your addon is now efficient! |
| 17:08.17 | cncfanatics | :D |
| 17:09.13 | phyber | somewhere above that 'function AceLibrary() return {} end' ? |
| 17:09.35 | cncfanatics | thats an option phyber, the idiots that ask for ace'd addons won't notice the difference |
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| 17:13.14 | Worf | hello ... i installed TinyTip (with WAU) ... i realize that there is currently no interface for the options, and i edited StandAloneConfig.lua ... however - it feels as if my settings are ignored. any tips? someone here using tinytip? |
| 17:13.46 | dylanm | Thrae you asked for this. |
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| 17:16.01 | Chaud | rofl |
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| 17:18.57 | Worf | ok... i can feel the tense ... |
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| 17:19.21 | dylanm | Worf: Is TinyTip changing anything for you at the moment? |
| 17:19.21 | Elsia | worf: the interface for options are being rewritten I think, you can find older version with the interface on files.wowace.com/TinyTip/ |
| 17:19.37 | dylanm | The last time I tried the trunk version it didn't do anything. |
| 17:19.42 | Elsia | or you can wait for thrae to complete the new interface |
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| 17:26.31 | break19 | cncfanatics: for that matter, you could simply release it as is, and -only- change the title to include -Ace2- and they'd likely never know the difference :) |
| 17:26.41 | dylanm | Make sure it's greeeeen. |
| 17:26.47 | break19 | heh |
| 17:27.27 | phyber | the green means that Ace2 addons are carbon neutral. |
| 17:27.28 | break19 | weirdness... aloft isnt displaying nameplates for opposing faction members who are not currently toggled for pvp. |
| 17:27.34 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: Don't forget to embed all of ace2 _and_ ace3 in it, just to be sure ;) |
| 17:27.44 | break19 | but it -is- displayin them for their pets. |
| 17:27.53 | Chaud | carbon neutral, sounds like another great reason to become an ace fanboi! |
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| 17:28.11 | break19 | gives me a reason to wanna piss on it. :) |
| 17:29.30 | break19 | I'm one of those "crazy" people who thinks Environmentalism is just a ploy to give companies a reason to be able to charge us more "hey, -this- product is GREEN!@" yea.. its also 3x the price.. no thanks. |
| 17:29.59 | Chaud | But don't you want to pay an extra $3 per month to get your electrcity from wind turbine things?! |
| 17:30.17 | CIA-9 | 03chexsum * r63473 10CombatAlert/ (CombatAlert.lua CombatAlert.toc): |
| 17:30.17 | CIA-9 | CombatAlert: |
| 17:30.18 | CIA-9 | - Fixed damage option |
| 17:30.18 | CIA-9 | - Updated addon description |
| 17:30.26 | break19 | in reality, they're hooked into the system, so if your system has them, then you already are. |
| 17:31.34 | dylanm | You can help the environment without spending money on it. |
| 17:31.53 | break19 | or you can get the hell of it's business and let it deal with it on it's own. |
| 17:32.36 | phyber | yup. when the ice caps melt, there is more sea to absorb the co2! |
| 17:32.38 | break19 | there are so many conflicting theories/stories etc.. how can people possibly believe they're -all- right? yet.. people do. :/ |
| 17:32.44 | dylanm | The solution was right in front of our eyes. |
| 17:33.10 | Elsia | I wouldn't mind beach where I live, melt more icecaps! |
| 17:33.32 | nymbia | the stories agree pretty well these days. |
| 17:33.36 | break19 | phyber: there werent icecaps at one time.. now there are, and they may be melting (again).. |
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| 17:34.36 | nymbia | break19: big difference between slow climate change over millions of years, and massive climate change over a hundred years |
| 17:34.44 | break19 | who's to say its not part of a cycle? hell, we've been warming up since the last major ice age.. who decided just how warm it's "supposed" to get? |
| 17:35.05 | dylanm | "Who's to say" |
| 17:35.08 | dylanm | Motherfucking science. |
| 17:35.17 | break19 | nymbia: there was green in greenland (hence the name) in the 1500s.. its frozen now.. |
| 17:35.23 | dylanm | If you don't care, that's fine. |
| 17:35.43 | break19 | I do care.. and science is having a theory, and a way test that theory.. |
| 17:36.15 | break19 | we, however, cannot TEST the theory.. because we dont have two planets with exactly the same atmospheric conditions/age.. one with humans one without.. |
| 17:37.49 | Elsia | eric the red named greenland greenland as a scam to attract settlers, it wasn't green back then :P |
| 17:38.02 | break19 | wrong. core samples prove otherwise |
| 17:38.14 | Elsia | lol |
| 17:38.22 | Chaud | "prove" |
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| 17:40.07 | break19 | Chaud: yes chaud, prove.. they've not yet found enough ice on greenland that is any older than a few hundred years.. and while it's possible there -is- some, suffice to say that if greenland were a frozen mess 5 or 600 years ago, they'd be finding TONS of ice that dates to then.. simple fact is, they havent. |
| 17:40.58 | nymbia | break19: greenland's a rather obscure example, but a quick glance at wikipedia indicates otherwise |
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| 17:40.58 | Elsia | first off eric the red named greenland in 1000s not 1500s, second two different 1200s written source document that eric the red picked the name to attract settles, thirdly I know of no reference that talks about core samples in 1000s |
| 17:41.10 | nymbia | (que the debunking of wikipedia's credibility) |
| 17:41.13 | break19 | I don't care one way or the other about the politics of this.. I care about the truth.. and simply put, 20years is nowhere NEAR enough time to figure out the entire climate system of the whole planet. |
| 17:41.27 | nymbia | The existence of those DNA samples suggest the temperature probably reached 10 degrees C (50 degrees Fahrenheit) in the summer and -17 ?C (1 ?F) in the winter. They also indicated that during the last interglacial period, 116,000?130,000 years ago, when temperatures were on average 5 ?C (9 ?F) higher than now, the glaciers on Greenland did not completely melt away. |
| 17:41.50 | nymbia | that's no 500 years.. |
| 17:42.39 | break19 | nymbia: I might be wrong on that then.. but still, the fact remains.. we DONT know enough about the weather on this planet to be making sweeping statements about it "changing" when its "not supposed to" ok? |
| 17:44.00 | Elsia | break: how do you know what we don't know enough? |
| 17:44.13 | nymbia | it's not like we can't scientifically estimate the temperature histrorically. |
| 17:44.13 | break19 | for instance.. you have 1 group of scientists saying global warming will cause MORE and stronger hurricanes.. yet the people who STUDY hurricanes all their lives say its exactly the opposite.. stronger upper winds are much more likely to PREVENT the circulation necessary for most low pressure areas to become hurricanes. |
| 17:44.51 | Elsia | but that's a different claim that saying that polar caps melt at an accelerated rate |
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| 17:44.58 | nevcairiel | "It should also be noted, however, that the southern portion of Greenland (not covered by glacier) is indeed very green in the summer and was likely to have been even greener in Erik's time because of the Medieval Warm Period." |
| 17:45.04 | nevcairiel | just to complete that quotes |
| 17:45.05 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 17:45.08 | break19 | nymbia: you have a car... it generates 140HP.. what's it's top speed? |
| 17:45.17 | break19 | thank you nev |
| 17:45.45 | break19 | nymbia: estimate the top speed.. |
| 17:45.59 | break19 | you cant.. because you DONT have enough information about the car.. |
| 17:46.03 | nymbia | my car? top speed is 100mph, it's governed. |
| 17:46.51 | break19 | well.. the weather isnt governed.. so you cant just make a smartass statement about it and expect it to be true. now can you. |
| 17:47.20 | kenlyric | loads of science != smartass statement |
| 17:47.44 | break19 | simply put.. we don't know enough about the global climate to make any kind of accurate estimate |
| 17:47.48 | chiper | break19: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png |
| 17:48.20 | break19 | kenlyric: loads of science means there's been experiments.. and experiment requires a hypothesis, a test case, and a baseline. |
| 17:48.21 | nevcairiel | we cant even start to estimate the climate of anything, all we can do is poke the glacier with a stick, take a ice core reading, and guess our way through time :P |
| 17:48.43 | break19 | we DONT have the baseline to compare the testcase against, in this case.. so it's not exactly accurate. |
| 17:48.45 | kenlyric | if you wish to remain completely ignorant to the science behind climate change, you may do so. |
| 17:48.53 | phyber | "poke it with a stick" <- epic science. |
| 17:49.02 | nymbia | i guess the planet just decided that it would employ some unobservable force to warm itself at a historically unheard of rate, coincidentally over the same time period that we became industrialized and started spewing heat and pollutants into the environment. |
| 17:49.48 | chiper | I wish XKCD employed tagging, I'm sure there's one about sarcasm |
| 17:49.49 | nevcairiel | you cant measure global warmth over a time period of what .. we have accurate readings in controlled environments for .. 30 years? |
| 17:49.50 | break19 | kenlyric: i'm not ignorant of science. science, and true scientists are always questioning their findings, are they right? are they wrong? what else can I do to see? yet YOU dont -want- anyone to question them.. |
| 17:49.57 | kenlyric | you don't need a human-free earth to study data and draw conclusions. Are conclusions proof? no, but that's just science for you. |
| 17:49.59 | nymbia | i'm not someone who says, 'drop everything and save the environment!!', but saying that we haven't directly caused climate change is ignorance. |
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| 17:50.21 | Elsia | you can do experiments on live conditions by cross-correlation. If nature gives you ABA conditions you can in fact isolate effects too. If you get repeat ABAs you essentially have lab experiement type control on the condition |
| 17:50.25 | kenlyric | questioning the science is great |
| 17:50.28 | Chaud | So ace addons are carbon neutral rite? |
| 17:50.29 | kenlyric | ignoring it is not |
| 17:50.55 | break19 | nymbia: who knows? we put a candle into a glass and it goes it.. must be that smoke it's giving off that put out the flame... same thing. |
| 17:50.55 | nevcairiel | no "sane" scientist would ever say that we directly influenced the climate, there is just no proof |
| 17:51.19 | kenlyric | actively punishing scientist who study climate change = bad |
| 17:51.21 | break19 | kenlyric: if I were ignoring, we wouldn't be having this discussion about it. duhhhhhhhh |
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| 17:51.22 | kenlyric | so, bush = bad |
| 17:51.22 | nymbia | Chaud: they actually run on pollution and emit oxygen with a fresh pine scent. |
| 17:51.23 | Elsia | there is proof, 1945 nuclear bombs had immediate impact on local climate |
| 17:51.35 | nevcairiel | kenlyric: thats just the oil industry because they're afraid to get the blame again :P |
| 17:51.35 | Chaud | Man, I should go and let everyone know! |
| 17:51.35 | chiper | chaaud: yes, but unfortunetly WoW is a chinese smelting plant |
| 17:51.35 | break19 | Elsia: local is hardly global |
| 17:51.35 | nevcairiel | Elsia: sure, local climate |
| 17:51.39 | chiper | -a |
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| 17:51.54 | nevcairiel | if i light a big fire, i cause local warming in that area |
| 17:51.55 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 17:52.11 | chiper | if you light a big fire, you're a terrorist |
| 17:52.23 | nevcairiel | everyone does it around here for easter |
| 17:52.27 | nevcairiel | its some kind of tradition :p |
| 17:52.29 | break19 | chiper: depends on the location of the big fire. |
| 17:52.30 | Chaud | rofl |
| 17:52.42 | chiper | at least that's what they called that hiker that started the california Ceder fire back in 2003 |
| 17:52.43 | Elsia | well frankly I think this discussion would be more enlightning if we had any climatologist actually here |
| 17:52.47 | nymbia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years |
| 17:53.08 | break19 | big fire in an office building? yea, terrorist.. big fire out on the beach? party time. |
| 17:53.11 | chiper | nymbia: citation needed! |
| 17:53.19 | Elsia | lol |
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| 17:53.37 | nevcairiel | nymbia: where those readings taken in or near a city? citys cause temperature readings to be higher, does that graph account for that too? |
| 17:53.49 | break19 | exactly. |
| 17:54.06 | nymbia | read the references |
| 17:54.06 | Pkekyo| | rofl break19 |
| 17:54.09 | Elsia | good scientists don't assume a position, not even the one that there is no climate change |
| 17:54.26 | kenlyric | if you find anyone arguing that humans are the sole or main cause of climate change, you can punch them for me. but the evidence that we do effect the climate is fairly overwhelming, and if the earth is heating up, we don't want to push it any faster. |
| 17:54.40 | kenlyric | though if the earth is cooling down, global warming might save us all ;) |
| 17:54.42 | break19 | Elsia: of -course- there's climate change.. otherwise the little ice age, and the medieval warm periods would NOT have occured :) |
| 17:54.45 | kenlyric | BUY HUMMERS |
| 17:55.24 | Pkekyo| | lmao kenlyric |
| 17:55.27 | break19 | the planet would be dead and dry if the climate never changed |
| 17:55.33 | nymbia | http://xkcd.com/54/ |
| 17:55.54 | phyber | break19: you have to take that theory that the medieval age never happened into account. that means it was never warm, it was always cold! |
| 17:55.57 | nevcairiel | Some publications about glaciers even document glacier growth on the south pole, in norway, etc, even greenland |
| 17:56.01 | kenlyric | 2+3=cats |
| 17:56.17 | Pkekyo| | glacier growth in norway? doubt it |
| 17:56.28 | break19 | rain, for instance, is a heat transfer system. it rains, cooling the air and ground, the water runs downstream, gets heated up by the sun, goes back into the air until it can no longer support itself and falls back down again. :) |
| 17:56.38 | Pkekyo| | people here've been bitching and moaning about the glaciers getting smaller for ages now |
| 17:57.00 | nevcairiel | Pkekyo|: thats the tourist glaciers, the real glaciers way to the north grow |
| 17:57.10 | break19 | I'm not too young to remember the big scares of Global Cooling, in the 70s.. ZOMG!@ POLLUTION!@ ITS BLOCKING OUT THE SUN! WE"RE ALL GONNA FREEZE |
| 17:57.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 17:57.21 | Pkekyo| | 'real glaciers'? we've got like...two of them in total |
| 17:57.38 | chiper | kenlyric: if I detonate a bomb in costa-rica, will a butterfly in japan attack a tourist? |
| 17:57.40 | nevcairiel | thats where you are wrong |
| 17:57.55 | nymbia | chiper: yes. |
| 17:58.01 | chiper | :D |
| 17:58.02 | Pkekyo| | if all the small lumps of ice 'round the mountains pass off as glaciers, my deep freezer should as well |
| 17:58.06 | break19 | chiper: hm.. sounds like a good scientific test to me.. have at it. |
| 17:58.16 | Worf | ok, since for some reason i didn't want to try a old version of tinytip but find out why the current one doesn't do as expected, i've been digging in the code and i found the line where not happens what i expected... sooo... Lua question: ... if not db["MAnchor"] then .... is that correct or should it be if not db["MAnchor"] == nil then ....? |
| 17:58.27 | break19 | just make it Venezuela instead :) |
| 17:58.41 | Elsia | poor science is indeed selective use of data, but that goes both ways. that some glaciers grow (if they indeed do) does not invalidate other data |
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| 17:58.59 | nevcairiel | "In total, Norway has around 1,600 glaciers - 900 of these are in North Norway, but 60% of the total glacier area is south of Trřndelag. 1% of mainland Norway is covered by glaciers [1]." |
| 17:59.08 | Worf | or in short: is nil true or false? |
| 17:59.23 | nymbia | Worf: false |
| 17:59.25 | Elsia | nil is false mostly but not a boolean |
| 17:59.31 | Elsia | if nil then is like if false then |
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| 17:59.59 | Worf | gotta test ... |
| 18:00.12 | Elsia | lua> if nil then print("nil!") end |
| 18:00.13 | lua_bot | Elsia: No output |
| 18:00.17 | Elsia | lua> if true then print("nil!") end |
| 18:00.18 | lua_bot | Elsia: nil! |
| 18:00.23 | Pkekyo| | nevcairiel: where the hell did you dig up that load of horse's bollocks? where are all these fucking glaciers?! |
| 18:00.25 | Elsia | oh I love paradoxes |
| 18:00.28 | break19 | I'd love to stay and continue the discussion, but unfortunately, my daughter has awoken, and its time to feed her. |
| 18:00.52 | nymbia | how dare she! |
| 18:00.55 | Gnarfoz | the swarm needs to feed |
| 18:00.59 | Chaud | rofl |
| 18:01.43 | nevcairiel | Pkekyo|: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glaciers_in_Norway |
| 18:02.20 | Worf | hmm... and suddenly my config works (almost) as expected ... Thrae isn't in here, is he? |
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| 18:02.37 | Elsia | ~seen Thrae |
| 18:02.46 | purl | thrae is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowhead #wowace #wowwiki. Has said a total of 28 messages. Is idling for 3h 18m 30s, last said: 'So skinning will make that simple'. |
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| 18:03.13 | Worf | well - it could have been he's using another nick on irc :) |
| 18:04.06 | Pkekyo| | nevcairiel: if memory serves, all the ones in nordland are more or less connected, and imo thus just one glacier... |
| 18:04.25 | Pkekyo| | however I do not have any documentation to back this up...I can't be arsed |
| 18:05.10 | nevcairiel | a glacier generally has a "flow", and even if connected, the different flow directions are considered different glaciers, even if their ends touch each other somewhere :P |
| 18:05.50 | chiper | uhg, I stayed up too late in ZA last night |
| 18:06.12 | Pkekyo| | nevcairiel: that's bollocks imo |
| 18:06.24 | Pkekyo| | bollocks is a great word...can't wait to get to britain and see it in proper use keke |
| 18:06.47 | nevcairiel | its just a definition, except it or dont, thats how it is :D |
| 18:07.00 | Josh_Borke | accept you mean |
| 18:07.05 | duaiwe | nevcairiel: "accept" ;) |
| 18:07.06 | nevcairiel | er yeah |
| 18:07.11 | Pkekyo| | chiper: just go to bed and stop bitching and moaning :> |
| 18:07.18 | chiper | Pkekyo|: I'm at work |
| 18:07.24 | nevcairiel | reading while typing inserts words that sound the same :P |
| 18:07.26 | Pkekyo| | so what? |
| 18:07.34 | Pkekyo| | go to sleep under your desk then |
| 18:07.38 | chiper | -.- |
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| 18:08.04 | Pkekyo| | if the boss spots you, you dropped your contacts, and looking for them took so long that you eventually fell asleep |
| 18:08.21 | chiper | I could probably disappear into the server room, but I think it's locked right now |
| 18:08.29 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:08.46 | Pkekyo| | then nick a key |
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| 18:09.51 | Pkekyo| | one gay drink after the other, eh? :P |
| 18:10.12 | chiper | I'm pretty sure alcohol would get me fired |
| 18:11.13 | Pkekyo| | get a cranberry juice then lol |
| 18:11.17 | keiss | hm , disabled incoming heals in grid , yet it still shows them |
| 18:11.48 | Pkekyo| | why the flying fuck does computer games with high-end graphics still ship with 640 by 480 px resolutions?! |
| 18:12.05 | Kulaar | hm is CML bugged? it shows an addon memory usage of 110MB |
| 18:12.09 | NeoTron | Pkekyo|: so that people with low end graphcs card can play them? :P |
| 18:12.50 | NeoTron | btw if you were interested in testing MagicMarker, I think the version out now is actually fully usable |
| 18:14.58 | Elsia | kulaar: is that addon memory or current memory? |
| 18:15.14 | chiper | god damnit, there's no hot chocolate |
| 18:15.19 | Kulaar | hmm dunno CML just says 110MB |
| 18:15.26 | Kulaar | before it said like 29MB |
| 18:15.34 | chiper | hmm, idea. vending machine has hershey bars |
| 18:16.59 | Elsia | kulaar: just checking because there is an odd blizz ui leak around |
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| 18:17.17 | Xinhuan | CML? |
| 18:17.18 | Pkekyo| | NeoTron: that's fucking bullshit...if your TNT2 graphics card can't handle CoD4, it's time to invest in a new fucking computer |
| 18:17.43 | Kulaar | hm Optionhouse still shows me 28MB |
| 18:17.57 | Xinhuan | do you use pitbull? |
| 18:18.01 | Kulaar | yes |
| 18:18.07 | Xinhuan | there is a "almost confirmed" issue with pitbull |
| 18:18.25 | Xinhuan | where some change in the last few weeks in pitbull started to cause memory leaks in blizz default UI's code |
| 18:18.42 | Xinhuan | at least, nobody has been able to say "i don't use pitbull and have this memory leak issue" |
| 18:18.51 | Xinhuan | and pitbull is the common factor |
| 18:18.55 | chiper | hmm, wonder if that's what broke my flight map last night |
| 18:18.56 | nevcairiel | i bet it got blammed on blizz code by the dev eh |
| 18:18.57 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:19.00 | Kulaar | so i should install an earlier version of pitbull |
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| 18:19.18 | doc^bla | reset your dmgmeter data |
| 18:19.21 | Xinhuan | well technically, if your UI memory is at 180 mb, but your total addon memory is at 35 mb |
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| 18:19.31 | kenlyric | it's all about what they can put on the box as minimum spec |
| 18:19.35 | Xinhuan | then obviously the missing 145 mb is attributed to Blizzard code |
| 18:19.47 | Xinhuan | and its blizzard_addons |
| 18:20.12 | kenlyric | there's really no reason to make it no go down to 640x480 |
| 18:20.21 | Kulaar | doc^bla disabled all dmgmeter for testing |
| 18:20.23 | Elsia | xin: currently trying to find a reliable way to reproduce it, but enabling just pitbull doesn't hack it, even with all modules |
| 18:22.08 | kenlyric | but maybe someone knows why audiosurf starts up in 640x480 no matter what I have the resolution set at |
| 18:22.58 | Xinhuan | as far as people can tell Elsia, it only goes up in a raid |
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| 18:23.10 | Xinhuan | so its possibly something to do with a leak in the securetemplates |
| 18:23.15 | Xinhuan | of blizzard's |
| 18:23.42 | Xinhuan | since nobody really knows when this issue started occuring |
| 18:23.55 | Elsia | i had the leak on my lvl 1 trade alt standing in stormwind |
| 18:23.57 | Xinhuan | nobody really knows how far back an old version of pitbull should be reverted to |
| 18:24.10 | chiper | damnit, I wanna know why blizzard refuses to let Alliance have warstriders |
| 18:24.10 | Xinhuan | the leak could also be due to a library change, say such as dogtag |
| 18:24.14 | chiper | it's such a cool mount |
| 18:24.16 | Xinhuan | or say, such as librock |
| 18:24.31 | Xinhuan | and you can't technically revert those by downloading a older version of pitbull |
| 18:24.38 | Xinhuan | unless you also revert all the addons that use the same libs |
| 18:24.38 | phyber | can anyone slap slouken and ask him for a GetAttunements() function or something in 2.4? So people who don't play alts for a year can quickly see what they're attuned too? :p |
| 18:25.28 | kenlyric | no attunements in 2.4, you silly goose |
| 18:25.59 | kenlyric | oops, molten core and bwl |
| 18:26.34 | Aethenelle | don't forget Naxx... |
| 18:26.40 | Aethenelle | :P |
| 18:26.46 | Elsia | hmm between all the addon lists reporting the issue what are all the addons that they share? just pitbull? |
| 18:26.47 | chiper | black moras technically has an attunement |
| 18:26.59 | kenlyric | chiper: oooh, good point |
| 18:27.52 | phyber | kenlyric: I know they're all gone, but for anything that you're attuned too. it's silly that there isn't something in the UI to tell you. |
| 18:28.04 | phyber | perhaps put the "General" tab in the spellbook to some use. |
| 18:28.10 | phyber | each attunement has an icon there. |
| 18:28.17 | kenlyric | everything should just have a key |
| 18:29.16 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63474 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Twins.lua: BigWigs: Sunwell/Twins: Add bar: nova(cooldown), conflag, confounding blow, shadow blades |
| 18:31.36 | nevcairiel | i wish blizz would fix stupid EU PTR Sunwell |
| 18:32.00 | Funkeh` | nevcairiel, get your guild summoned it works apparently |
| 18:32.18 | nevcairiel | i just tested, cant enter the instance |
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| 18:33.10 | nevcairiel | PTR itself works fine |
| 18:33.15 | Funkeh` | nevcairiel, assuming you had people alread in |
| 18:33.23 | nevcairiel | Funkeh`: oh we do, just no warlocks :P |
| 18:33.27 | nevcairiel | some logged out inside |
| 18:33.43 | nevcairiel | but i bet the portal is not bugged but disabled for a reason |
| 18:33.45 | nevcairiel | so dunno |
| 18:33.48 | nevcairiel | maybe something is broken |
| 18:35.13 | vithos | yeah it was like that last night too |
| 18:35.21 | vithos | says "you must be level 70 and in a raid group" |
| 18:37.03 | phyber | I'm surprised blizzard didn't stop people getting in by making them all level 69. |
| 18:37.13 | phyber | Rocket Propelled Chainsaw fixes being their favourite kind, etc ;) |
| 18:38.30 | Aethenelle | I have a couple questions about the AceDB 3.0 library... |
| 18:38.41 | kenlyric | i still don't see how the shattered sun offensive don't have a rep mount |
| 18:38.47 | kenlyric | of all the reps that should have mounts |
| 18:39.10 | phyber | no mount, but you can pay 1000g for a title! |
| 18:39.27 | kenlyric | I got that money ready to go! |
| 18:40.50 | Arrowmaster | ~asktoask |
| 18:40.50 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
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| 18:44.32 | Aethenelle | I'm working to update Mazzle to use bongos3 which uses AceDB3.0 as it's profile management... I'd like to know if there is a way to create a new profile without switching to it and back for editing w/in mazzle... The only thing I've come up with so far is just adding it to the object manually (Bongos3.db.profiles.Mazzle = {} ). afaik, neither the library or bongos3 do anything special for creating a new profile other than copying |
| 18:44.33 | Aethenelle | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.45 | Aethenelle | purl: It was more to check to make sure this is the right place for questions and not for update/debugging stuff... |
| 18:45.46 | purl | So we want to be stupid, right, was more to check to make sure this is the right place for questions and not for update/debugging stuff... ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 18:46.01 | nevcairiel | rofl |
| 18:46.05 | nevcairiel | purl is a bot |
| 18:46.26 | nevcairiel | but thats a classic :D |
| 18:46.35 | Aethenelle | I swear I'm not that much of an IRC noob... it has been quite a while tho... |
| 18:46.50 | cncfanatics | purl is so obviously a bot :p |
| 18:46.54 | cncfanatics | ~nickometer nevcairiel |
| 18:46.57 | nevcairiel | wonder what triggerd that |
| 18:47.07 | nevcairiel | purl: it was more .. |
| 18:47.08 | purl | So we want to be stupid, right, was more .. ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 18:47.16 | nevcairiel | purl: it |
| 18:47.19 | cncfanatics | purl: it was |
| 18:47.19 | purl | So we want to be stupid, right, was ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 18:47.27 | nevcairiel | purl: it is? |
| 18:47.27 | purl | So we want to be stupid, right, is ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 18:47.31 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 18:47.31 | cncfanatics | purl: it nevcairiel |
| 18:47.32 | purl | So we want to be stupid, right, nevcairiel ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 18:48.17 | Arrowmaster | purl: it ... |
| 18:48.18 | purl | So we want to be stupid, right, ... ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
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| 18:48.26 | cncfanatics | purl: it purl |
| 18:48.27 | purl | So we want to be stupid, right, purl ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 18:48.32 | nevcairiel | yeah we got it now |
| 18:48.33 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:48.37 | cncfanatics | it purl |
| 18:48.58 | Arrowmaster | still dont know why it did the second half |
| 18:49.44 | Aethenelle | the way mazzle was originally built it created a blank profile loaded it and copied it to the current then deleted the built profile... seems the best way for an addon to modify the settings of another addon... |
| 18:50.16 | nevcairiel | i'm not exactly sure what happens when you directly try to access the .profiles data structure |
| 18:50.50 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan * r63475 10GatherMate/Collector.lua: GatherMate: Small optimization. Also uncomment 2 locals that for some reason was commented, causing them to be globals. |
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| 18:51.05 | mort | is there a known problem with the new grid range check? it works, but i can't seem to get units out of range transparent |
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| 18:51.27 | nevcairiel | is Bongos-3.0 stable for use in a compilation already? |
| 18:51.35 | nevcairiel | i though tuller proclaimed it "alpha" :p |
| 18:51.46 | Aethenelle | nope... using an alpha copy to work on my modifications to mazzle |
| 18:52.34 | dylanm | Put Mazzle out to the pasture. Shoot it maybe. |
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| 18:52.49 | Aethenelle | the parts that i need are complete enough for me to do what i need to modify profiles.... |
| 18:54.04 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan * r63476 10GatherMate/Collector.lua: GatherMate: Remove the above optimization. ~_~ |
| 18:54.08 | Aethenelle | part of me does want to but i also can't get away from it... only complete UI that does it's own setup... and I know enough to change it's settings in places to tailor it the way i like... |
| 18:54.16 | nevcairiel | ~lart Xinhuan |
| 18:54.16 | purl | hits Xinhuan with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 18:54.21 | Xinhuan | kek |
| 18:57.53 | Aethenelle | perhaps a better question is: Does the db object do anything other than db.profiles[name] = {} when the SetProfile() function is called for a profile that doesn't exist and the default profile is empty? |
| 18:58.12 | nevcairiel | Aethenelle: yes it initilizes the defaults |
| 18:59.06 | Xinhuan | "and the default profile is empty?" |
| 18:59.09 | Xinhuan | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 18:59.09 | purl | blasts nevcairiel to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 18:59.28 | nevcairiel | default profile ~= defaults |
| 18:59.39 | nevcairiel | get ice on your brain or something :P |
| 18:59.47 | Xinhuan | in the context of his question, i would assume he meant the "defaults" table ;p |
| 19:00.00 | nevcairiel | as he is talking about Bongos-3.0 .. probably not |
| 19:00.05 | Aethenelle | correct... poorly worded on my part... |
| 19:00.26 | Xinhuan | ~lart nevcairiel again |
| 19:00.26 | purl | cuts off nevcairiel again's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 19:00.27 | Xinhuan | i win!!!! |
| 19:00.42 | Aethenelle | Bongos3 has it's own wrappers for the aceDb functions that take care of load the settings... |
| 19:01.06 | nevcairiel | at least i didnt break GatherMate in the last 10 minutes |
| 19:01.28 | nevcairiel | break quite literraly |
| 19:01.32 | Xinhuan | it wasn't broken ;p |
| 19:01.32 | nevcairiel | +l |
| 19:01.42 | nevcairiel | it just didnt clean up notes anymore :P |
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| 19:02.14 | Aethenelle | in general all mods that use the db objects have wrappers for that... playing w/ the db object alone isn't quite enough to ensure the changes are made properly and update correctly in the settings and saved variables... |
| 19:02.14 | Xinhuan | net effect is still to localize 2 variables ;p |
| 19:03.07 | Xinhuan | sigh |
| 19:03.14 | Xinhuan | you know you have been writing too much lua |
| 19:03.25 | Xinhuan | when you get errors like "; expected" |
| 19:03.37 | Aethenelle | actually.. that reminds me... i keep getting odd erors w/ nquestlog... something about a nil local escapeDetector.... seems there is a race condition w/ one of the objects though i don't remember which cause i last looked @ is a couple weeks ago... |
| 19:03.38 | Xinhuan | "then - unknown variable" |
| 19:04.01 | nevcairiel | heh yeah stupid ; |
| 19:04.09 | Xinhuan | i keep writing stuff like |
| 19:04.16 | Aethenelle | multi variable returns is still messing w/ my head.... |
| 19:04.22 | Xinhuan | if a == b then {blah blah} |
| 19:04.30 | Xinhuan | and the compiler chokes |
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| 19:04.39 | Xinhuan | saying there's something wrong with the "a" variable |
| 19:04.50 | Xinhuan | and it takes 2 minutes to figure out i forgot to put ( ) around the condition |
| 19:05.41 | Fisker- | I don't like you Xinhuan |
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| 19:09.18 | NeoTron | I'm so excited that I have to make an Ace2-based addon to get FuBar support for MagicMarker |
| 19:09.39 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: give me a sec |
| 19:12.28 | voidwalker | hk: scout; what does that mean?> |
| 19:12.40 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: what? making a framework independant / ace3 version? |
| 19:13.04 | Aethenelle | you got a honorable kill of a scout ranked horde player |
| 19:14.56 | Xinhuan | whats magicmarker |
| 19:15.11 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: test this please http://ace.pastey.net/83311 |
| 19:15.40 | Arrowmaster | youll only have AceConfigDialog-3.0 though when you rightclick the plugin |
| 19:16.17 | NeoTron | I will try it tonight. At work atm |
| 19:16.54 | Arrowmaster | oh and the AceConfigDialog-3.0 wont have any FuBar stuff in it |
| 19:17.13 | Arrowmaster | so its impossible to change stuff like right, left, or center |
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| 19:17.59 | NeoTron | limitations I can leave with for now |
| 19:18.31 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt really recomend adding that and putting it on the svn yet though |
| 19:18.37 | NeoTron | ok |
| 19:18.44 | NeoTron | it's not terribly important |
| 19:18.45 | Arrowmaster | but the more testing it gets the better |
| 19:18.54 | NeoTron | but I'll test it out, make it optional |
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| 19:25.19 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i just thought of something, how do AceDB-3.0 callbacks work with child databases? |
| 19:26.25 | nevcairiel | they dont |
| 19:26.35 | nevcairiel | child databases always react together with the master database |
| 19:26.48 | CIA-9 | 03pastamancer * r63477 10Grid/GridFrame.lua: Grid: update default statusmap with new range statuses. |
| 19:26.49 | nevcairiel | so register for that, then work on the child |
| 19:27.17 | Arrowmaster | ok so you can register to the childs callbacks and they get fired when the parents are fired |
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| 19:27.43 | nevcairiel | basically, yes |
| 19:28.26 | Arrowmaster | ok good theres a db.parent, so when i start working on the config stuff i can use that |
| 19:29.06 | Arrowmaster | i basicly just had the idea of making an AceAddon3 module with the derocked FBP-3 mixed into it only |
| 19:29.14 | Xinhuan | i'm curious Arrowmaster, do you have any addons hosted on wowace? ;p |
| 19:29.28 | Arrowmaster | i do but it sucks |
| 19:29.35 | Arrowmaster | and i dont update it |
| 19:29.45 | Xinhuan | because i don't actually remember you ever commiting to any of your own addons lol |
| 19:29.45 | NeoTron | I should fix up GravBlox and get it hosted on wowace, finally releasing it |
| 19:29.47 | Arrowmaster | other than that i have some stuff in branches |
| 19:30.13 | Xinhuan | "AceAddon3 module with the derocked FBP-3 mixed into it only" <-- not quite understanding what this means |
| 19:30.57 | Arrowmaster | using addon:NewModule("Fu", "LibFuBarPlugin-3.0-DeRocked") |
| 19:31.03 | Arrowmaster | or so |
| 19:31.42 | Arrowmaster | so you could have it in a seperate file with 'if not FuBar then return end' at the top |
| 19:32.12 | Chompers | mh waves are pretty hard without a pally tank |
| 19:32.30 | Chompers | had waves overlapping |
| 19:33.18 | Xinhuan | so... |
| 19:33.40 | Arrowmaster | im just thinking for like a way to have an optional fubar plugin in an addon |
| 19:33.50 | Xinhuan | its basically a mixin anyone can use to create a FubarPlugin to Fubar without requiring packing in any librock libs? |
| 19:33.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 19:34.20 | Arrowmaster | currently most the addons with optional fubar plugins create an entirely new addon object for it dont they? |
| 19:34.24 | Xinhuan | and fubar (rock version) would still recognize it? |
| 19:34.33 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: yeah |
| 19:34.41 | Xinhuan | whats the drawbacks? |
| 19:34.50 | Arrowmaster | like i said i already hacked up your FuBar_RoutesFu as a test for it |
| 19:35.03 | Arrowmaster | drawbacks? |
| 19:35.15 | Xinhuan | well, are there any? |
| 19:35.15 | Arrowmaster | umm i cant think of any |
| 19:35.56 | Xinhuan | if fubar isn't found, will "LibFuBarPlugin-3.0-DeRocked" create a minimap button? |
| 19:36.16 | Arrowmaster | "LibFuBarPlugin-3.0-DeRocked" is just my current testing name for it since i dont want to overwrite all my current fubar plugins since its still not complete |
| 19:36.37 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: yeah just like "LibFuBarPlugin-3.0" does |
| 19:37.14 | Xinhuan | i see, so this really an "extension" to fubar |
| 19:37.16 | Arrowmaster | which is why i'm currently thinking about any issues that could be caused by creating a module and mixing it into only that module |
| 19:38.07 | Arrowmaster | its just LibFuBarPlugin-3.0, when i get this finished ill just bug ckk constantly to let me change LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 |
| 19:38.29 | Xinhuan | you're making it mixin-able to any framework i think? |
| 19:38.41 | Arrowmaster | well rock or Ace3 currently |
| 19:38.54 | ckknight | or anything if you do :Embed(thing) |
| 19:39.34 | Xinhuan | well technically when you do |
| 19:39.48 | Xinhuan | addon:NewModule("Fu", "LibFuBarPlugin-3.0-DeRocked") in ace3, it really is creating a new addon object ;p |
| 19:40.58 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: you know the Dewdrop-2.0 support in LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 is unfinished? |
| 19:41.18 | ckknight | doesn't surprise me |
| 19:41.48 | Hjalte | Sigh. I'm tired of the way raiding works in my guild, but I'm guessing it's the same in all guilds. Our GM, and Raid Leader, wants to join all raids even though he doesn't need loot and even though the other officers are perfectly capable of handling those raids. |
| 19:42.30 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: yeah self:AddImpliedMenuOptions() doesnt exist so im perty sure its unfinished |
| 19:42.41 | Xinhuan | you are correct Hjalte :) |
| 19:43.04 | Xinhuan | i abuse it myself quite a bit ;p |
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| 19:44.46 | NeoTron | Hjalte: you'd be surprised what the effect might be if the typical raid leader isn't in the raid |
| 19:45.07 | Hjalte | NeoTron: We have had raids without him which went fine. |
| 19:45.24 | Hjalte | He had to go away for a week at some point. |
| 19:45.26 | NeoTron | still being a raid leader I can't say a blame him |
| 19:46.39 | NeoTron | does he handle the loot recording too? |
| 19:46.52 | NeoTron | that is the main reason I don't sit out, ever |
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| 19:49.31 | CIA-9 | 03odlaw * r63478 10PassLoot/ (. PassLoot.toc): PassLoot: Updated toc |
| 19:51.01 | Hjalte | No, all the officers can handle the loot. |
| 19:51.15 | Hjalte | It's usually one of the other officers, actually. |
| 19:52.11 | NeoTron | in either case, if he got you to a point where he's not needed, he deserves his spot in the raid IMHO. <- subjective opinion as a raid leader |
| 19:53.32 | iNs|Renew | why do you want him out of the raid anyway? |
| 19:54.52 | Hjalte | Because sometimes, letting someone else raid, who needs loot from that instance, is better. We have quite a few people in our guild and everyone is wanting a spot in the raids. |
| 19:55.11 | NeoTron | I assume there are 24 other slots in the raid |
| 19:55.21 | NeoTron | one more or less will hardly be critical to "loot rotations" |
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| 19:56.32 | sylvaan_work | omg is the loot topic from this am still going? |
| 19:57.09 | Hjalte | Nah, it's a new one :) |
| 19:57.14 | sylvaan_work | rofl |
| 19:57.16 | iNs|Renew | doesnt make any sense |
| 19:57.22 | iNs|Renew | unless he is a worthless class |
| 19:57.26 | iNs|Renew | and a bad player |
| 19:59.13 | Gngsk | files updates in 2min, correct? |
| 19:59.45 | sylvaan_work | 20 |
| 20:00.13 | sylvaan_work | oh, i see - maybe if you are lucky |
| 20:00.23 | nevcairiel | it should update now |
| 20:00.25 | nevcairiel | in theory |
| 20:01.06 | Gngsk | that's what I was hoping |
| 20:01.13 | sylvaan_work | are there really almost 1300 addons now? |
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| 20:01.28 | sylvaan_work | srsly - that is insane |
| 20:04.04 | Primer | Anyone have or know of a level 19 twink rogue? I'd like to armory that character |
| 20:04.18 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: when you changed the revision in all the LibRock libs from -100000 to -60000 you didnt change LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 |
| 20:04.26 | ckknight | le sigh |
| 20:07.48 | Pkekyo| | sodding hell...somehow, autorun on my comp went tits-up and won't launch anymore...anyone know how I can fix it? |
| 20:08.11 | NeoTron | Pkekyo|: be glad it's disabled and manually do it |
| 20:08.14 | NeoTron | autorun = evil |
| 20:08.34 | Pkekyo| | NeoTron: nah, it's a bloody nightmare, getting photos from my camera has become hellish |
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| 20:09.14 | Pkekyo| | basicly, I basicly, I want autorun...how to get it? |
| 20:09.40 | Pkekyo| | one basicly too much there, damnit |
| 20:09.41 | NeoTron | I don't think you're asking for autorun |
| 20:09.51 | NeoTron | autorun = execute program on a removable device |
| 20:10.02 | NeoTron | what you want is some automatic action to happen when you insert the camera |
| 20:10.15 | NeoTron | and no I don't really know how to configure that |
| 20:10.19 | Aethenelle | um... what happened before autorun died? ... you may have more problems than just autorun not working... |
| 20:11.06 | Pkekyo| | nah, I want that bloody windows frame to pop up and ask me what I want to happen whenever I connect a camera, pop a DVD in the drive, connect my external harddrive etc... |
| 20:11.06 | Pkekyo| | Aethenelle: no idea, suddenly noticed it didn't work anymore one night...anything specific you had in mind? |
| 20:11.12 | Aethenelle | and for the record... autorun = security problem |
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| 20:11.45 | Pkekyo| | Aethenelle: not if I'm not a complete arsehat about what I connect...which I'm not |
| 20:11.52 | Aethenelle | possibly a virus or something... autorun is enabled/disabled in the registry.... |
| 20:12.34 | Pkekyo| | I don't have a virus - system's clean + no source for the virus to come from |
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| 20:12.46 | Dashkal | What tools do you use to keep it that way? |
| 20:12.55 | Dashkal | One of them may have disabled autorun as a security measure |
| 20:13.05 | shanesveller | keep in mind, a virus could come from anything that can store data, including cd-roms, electronic picture frames, flash drives, ipods, etc. |
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| 20:13.23 | shanesveller | there was a recall of digital picture frames quite recently for that exact reason, in fact |
| 20:13.24 | Busko | hey guys and girls i got a question about Recount |
| 20:13.26 | Aethenelle | i'd tell you where in the registry to look but i don't remember cause i switchd to a mac.. |
| 20:13.27 | Pkekyo| | I only use online virus scans whenever I suspect anything... |
| 20:13.30 | NeoTron | I know that some brand of removable harddrives came preformatted with a trojan >:-) |
| 20:13.45 | Busko | the new stuff called netwrok traffic |
| 20:13.45 | Arrowmaster | ~asktoask |
| 20:13.46 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:13.47 | Pkekyo| | shanesveller: I'm paranoid considering security, so I never connect any strange media to my system |
| 20:13.48 | Dashkal | I know of a nasty lil number that infects USB keys. Takes advantage of the way windows mishandles USB drives and infects the computer... then infects any other keys inserted. |
| 20:13.51 | Aethenelle | same problem w/ thumb drives and audio cds.... |
| 20:14.28 | Busko | i have a prefix called BT or 3T cant make out |
| 20:14.34 | Pkekyo| | once again: no virus here |
| 20:14.39 | Arrowmaster | Busko: 3T = Recount |
| 20:14.47 | Busko | thanx |
| 20:14.51 | NeoTron | Pkekyo|: basically can't you just open your photo program of choice and manually tell it to import data? |
| 20:15.00 | NeoTron | if you browse in My Computer, is the camera even listed? |
| 20:15.12 | Aethenelle | that's not the question he asked anyway... |
| 20:15.42 | NeoTron | I've had a windows box that recognised an ipod but refused to (manually) give it a unit letter |
| 20:15.44 | Aethenelle | NeoTron: oddly some camera manufactures are knobs and won't let you do that even w/ the right drivers... |
| 20:15.49 | shanesveller | pkekyoi: you're running windows xp, i assume? |
| 20:15.52 | NeoTron | s/manually/automatically/ |
| 20:15.52 | Pkekyo| | NeoTron: I can, but that process causes two or three instances of the software to launch, which is annoying as hell, and the camera isn't specifically listed, as there's no drivers installed for it - it shows up as a removable drive (memory card) |
| 20:15.59 | Pkekyo| | shanesveller: ofcourse |
| 20:16.01 | NeoTron | I could manually set it to get it to work |
| 20:16.14 | Aethenelle | set the ipod to be accesable as a drive in itunes... |
| 20:16.17 | CIA-9 | 03alar * r63479 10AlarLib/AlarLib-2.0/AlarLib-2.0.lua: |
| 20:16.18 | CIA-9 | AlarLib |
| 20:16.18 | CIA-9 | Fixed a memory leak |
| 20:16.21 | NeoTron | Aethenelle: nah |
| 20:16.51 | NeoTron | Aethenelle: problem wasn't I couldn't browse it, problem was that even itunes didn't see it |
| 20:16.55 | NeoTron | couldn't sync etc |
| 20:16.55 | Pkekyo| | shitty product, great (pseudo-viral) marketing |
| 20:17.11 | Thorgard | What're some good quest tracking addons? |
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| 20:17.17 | Aethenelle | make sure ur asb stuff is working properly... |
| 20:17.19 | nymbia | it's all about the zune! |
| 20:17.22 | Pkekyo| | Thorgard: nQuestLog |
| 20:17.24 | Aethenelle | nQuestLog si decent |
| 20:17.25 | nymbia | (say that with a straight face) |
| 20:17.28 | Pkekyo| | sod the zune as well |
| 20:17.29 | NeoTron | not the best but after having used another mp3 player I've coem to realize how much better than ipod UI is |
| 20:17.47 | NeoTron | Thorgard: I like bEQL |
| 20:17.54 | Pkekyo| | anyways, anyone know how to solve this issue I originally came with? |
| 20:17.58 | NeoTron | and, on the flipside, did not like nQuestLog at all |
| 20:18.12 | Thorgard | Interesting. |
| 20:18.18 | Aethenelle | NeoTron: it's grown on me.... |
| 20:18.46 | Pkekyo| | you either love or hate nQuestLog tbh...nothing inbetween |
| 20:19.02 | shanesveller | i love it. #wowace, actual discussion of addons. #wowi-lound: pictures of hamsters. |
| 20:19.05 | Pkekyo| | my experience with it anyways |
| 20:19.10 | shanesveller | #wowi-lounge i meant |
| 20:19.25 | nevcairiel | sometimes you get hamsters here too |
| 20:19.28 | nevcairiel | or cats |
| 20:19.32 | NeoTron | or sex |
| 20:19.45 | shanesveller | cats are acceptable. |
| 20:19.46 | Pkekyo| | ** Autorun ** |
| 20:19.46 | Pkekyo| | :p |
| 20:19.56 | NeoTron | but even if noise sometimes > signal, there is a lot of signal here |
| 20:20.07 | Pkekyo| | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-pews-pewing.jpg |
| 20:20.08 | shanesveller | pkekyoi: i sent you a PM with some detailed instructions that may help |
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| 20:21.02 | charon | morning |
| 20:21.27 | Pkekyo| | shanesveller: I didn't get it...perhaps you PMed my |edu clone? |
| 20:21.27 | Pkekyo| | also, it's not 'i', it's | (the button to the left of 1) |
| 20:21.47 | Thorgard | Pkekyo|, lies, | is not left of 1. ;P |
| 20:21.56 | Thorgard | ` and ~ is, however! |
| 20:21.59 | shanesveller | you have a silly keyboard =P |
| 20:21.59 | nymbia | i don't believe in | |
| 20:22.04 | Pkekyo| | Thorgard: I never had a US keyboard :) |
| 20:22.18 | Pkekyo| | shanesveller: norwegian qwerty |
| 20:22.21 | NeoTron | whenever I use a Swedish keyboard I get really confused |
| 20:22.48 | shanesveller | pkekyo|: If you open up help and support, and search for "change how your computer handles multimedia content", that looks like what you're trying to do. |
| 20:22.51 | CIA-9 | 03mikma * r63480 10MobNotes/MobNotes.lua: MobNotes: the typo in notes was annoying, so i bumped the db version 6 -> 6.1 |
| 20:23.30 | Thorgard | I went from a Swedish keyboard to a US keyboard.. it sucked for the first 3 months. |
| 20:23.33 | Pkekyo| | fucksake, localized win version, search didn't compute :P |
| 20:23.54 | Aethenelle | | is the unix way... become one with your inner unix... learn the | |
| 20:24.03 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 20:24.07 | shanesveller | ahha |
| 20:24.15 | Thorgard | Smoke the | |
| 20:24.19 | Aethenelle | | is your friend |
| 20:24.44 | Pkekyo| | shanesveller: doesn't seem to be it tbh, the 'regular' autorun settings are properly set |
| 20:24.50 | Dashkal | for file in `find . | grep zip`; do unzip $file; done |
| 20:24.55 | Dashkal | | is the magic that makes it work :p |
| 20:25.11 | Thorgard | Hmm.. anyone gettin' sluggish behavior from wowace.com, specially fisheye? |
| 20:25.14 | shanesveller | hrm. not sure where else to look then, sorry. |
| 20:25.23 | shanesveller | fisheye is almost always sluggish for me, at home or at work. |
| 20:25.28 | Aethenelle | Thorgard: have you ever not? |
| 20:25.41 | Thorgard | Aethenelle, yeah. ;P Most of the time it doesn't take minutes to load. |
| 20:26.05 | shanesveller | oh, minutes, no. perhaps 3-4 seconds. |
| 20:26.13 | shanesveller | that's what i usually deal with |
| 20:26.24 | Thorgard | Nuts. |
| 20:26.26 | shanesveller | in safari, firefox, or IE |
| 20:26.42 | Pkekyo| | this is weird as fuck...my OS menus etc are in english, but stuff like the help function is localized *shrug* |
| 20:26.44 | Aethenelle | Pkekyo|: it could be the settings for the individual device... |
| 20:27.17 | Pkekyo| | Aethenelle: it goes for -all- devices, drives etc |
| 20:27.26 | Aethenelle | iirc, some of that stuff is hard coded into the os |
| 20:27.36 | shanesveller | hard-coding is evilllll |
| 20:27.45 | mikma | hard-cocking |
| 20:27.51 | shanesveller | pinky-to-your-lips evil |
| 20:27.54 | Pkekyo| | Which reminds me; Everyone should join the supportgroup for battered step-uncles-in-law! |
| 20:29.00 | Aethenelle | there are settings for each device you plug in as well... it'll ask you what action you want to take for that media on that device and there is a check box at the bottom left that makes that action the default... |
| 20:29.24 | Thorgard | Today's commit messages of win seem to be.. "Fin please check again before say such words like FUCK,ok?" |
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| 20:30.07 | dodga | Dashkal: find . -iname '*.zip' -exec {} \; :P |
| 20:30.10 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 20:30.12 | dodga | err |
| 20:30.17 | basslingo | lo tekkub |
| 20:30.18 | Pkekyo| | Aethenelle: yeah, that's the pop-up I'm missing...I want it to start popping again |
| 20:30.19 | dodga | find . -iname '*.zip' -exec unzip {} \; |
| 20:30.46 | Thorgard | Urgh. |
| 20:31.31 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r63481 10Recount/ (. Recount.lua Recount.toc Recount_Modes.lua embeds.xml): |
| 20:31.31 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 20:31.31 | CIA-9 | - Fixed bug with multiple pet DPS calculation. |
| 20:31.31 | CIA-9 | - Removed unneeded debug display |
| 20:31.31 | CIA-9 | - Added CallBackHandler-1.0 as embed. |
| 20:32.09 | Aethenelle | No idea where that setting is unfortuanately... try a context menu on the drive or a similar place in the registry on the currentmachine (or whatever it is) branch of the registry... |
| 20:32.10 | Thorgard | Can someone with SVN access add a , at the end of line 657 in Grid/GridFrame.lua? |
| 20:32.13 | Pkekyo| | I miss that dialogue box :( |
| 20:32.20 | erzy | is this CIA-9 a bot, who shows which addon, and what it updated? |
| 20:32.26 | basslingo | yea |
| 20:32.33 | Pkekyo| | Aethenelle: I can't navigate the registry for jack shit :P |
| 20:32.45 | erzy | kk |
| 20:32.50 | Aethenelle | I'd help more but I'm not on windows... |
| 20:32.50 | Pkekyo| | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-easter-egg-birds.jpg :> |
| 20:33.02 | basslingo | apple user ^^ |
| 20:33.09 | basslingo | or *nix user |
| 20:33.18 | Pkekyo| | apple |
| 20:33.20 | Pkekyo| | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-oh-hai-street.jpg :D |
| 20:33.22 | basslingo | ditto |
| 20:33.25 | basslingo | :) |
| 20:33.27 | shanesveller | pkekyo| that's because the registry is laid out for shit |
| 20:33.40 | erzy | OS X > Windows anyday |
| 20:33.45 | basslingo | ever get an "build-in keyboard failure" message? |
| 20:33.49 | shanesveller | i'm OS agnostic, I have all 3 mainstream OSes running at home |
| 20:33.54 | basslingo | yes it said build-in |
| 20:34.10 | shanesveller | linux- Debian specifically, XP Pro, and Leopard |
| 20:34.16 | Thorgard | sylvaan_work, ping. |
| 20:34.27 | Pkekyo| | <--- would go Mac if it weren't for the utterly retarded prices :> |
| 20:34.39 | Aethenelle | technically OSX makes me both... |
| 20:34.40 | erzy | playing on Leopard here, And I'm never going to buy a PC again |
| 20:34.46 | erzy | yeh |
| 20:34.50 | shanesveller | boot camp ftw |
| 20:34.55 | basslingo | I use Parallels on my mac to run XP Pro and Backtrac |
| 20:35.09 | basslingo | and Crossover for my steam apps :) |
| 20:35.09 | Aethenelle | price a similarly featured Windows machine.... the price for the mac is better... |
| 20:35.14 | erzy | and a Macbook pro were faster on some shit made for PC with boot camp |
| 20:35.18 | shanesveller | until i rebuilt my PC with some significant upgrades, my imac ran XP considerably faster than my other desktop |
| 20:35.35 | Pkekyo| | Aethenelle: right... |
| 20:35.40 | basslingo | you pay for what you get :) |
| 20:35.45 | erzy | well, if you build everything yourself PC is cheaper |
| 20:35.54 | basslingo | not entirly ture |
| 20:35.56 | basslingo | true* |
| 20:36.02 | basslingo | well, at least now >.> |
| 20:36.04 | Pkekyo| | ofc I do...buying a complete computer outta a retail store is bollocks out retarded |
| 20:36.06 | shanesveller | OEMs get hefty discounts on some things |
| 20:36.19 | basslingo | the fact that dell can pop out pc's for like 500 is retarded |
| 20:36.25 | shanesveller | they don't typically use enthusiast-grade hardware, however |
| 20:36.27 | basslingo | costs them like 300 to make |
| 20:36.33 | basslingo | true |
| 20:36.40 | Kulaar | i heared you can link spells or at least get spellinfos of them on ptr? |
| 20:36.45 | erzy | too many patches to PTR :/ |
| 20:36.49 | shanesveller | kulaar: yes |
| 20:36.53 | Kulaar | how? |
| 20:37.02 | basslingo | UNITGUIDS ftw :) |
| 20:37.06 | basslingo | thank you blizzard |
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| 20:37.51 | Kulaar | shanesveller you know the command? |
| 20:38.07 | shanesveller | I don't, sorry, I just know that it's possible. But only in certain channels, not all. |
| 20:38.17 | erzy | btw, is there an estimated date, when Ace3 will come? |
| 20:38.27 | erzy | in a stable version |
| 20:38.36 | Aethenelle | same way as linking anything else i think... lemme check... |
| 20:38.38 | basslingo | by WoTLC :P |
| 20:38.50 | shanesveller | kulaar: http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/13/linking-quests-in-chat/ |
| 20:38.59 | erzy | you know when WotLK comes? |
| 20:38.59 | erzy | ^^^ |
| 20:39.01 | basslingo | WOTLK * -.- |
| 20:39.20 | basslingo | i fails at spelling |
| 20:39.23 | Dashkal | That reminds me. Is anybody working on an all-in-one link cacher? Itemsync including spells and abilities and crafting links? |
| 20:39.25 | Aethenelle | works the same as linking an item from the user end... |
| 20:39.26 | erzy | indeed |
| 20:39.40 | Aethenelle | fizzwidget have one.. linkerator... |
| 20:39.47 | Pkekyo| | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-bucket-walrus-beats-human1.jpg *chuckle* |
| 20:39.48 | Aethenelle | *has |
| 20:39.54 | basslingo | my current project is a Lua IDE written in java :) |
| 20:40.00 | basslingo | syntax highlighting |
| 20:40.04 | Kulaar | shanesveller thought you could link any spell with a command. Like boss abilities |
| 20:40.06 | basslingo | autocomplete names |
| 20:40.08 | basslingo | etc |
| 20:40.12 | Dashkal | linkerator... I've always found that one to be a pain when trying to bring links back up. But if it will handle quests and crafting and abilities.. I'll use it |
| 20:40.18 | shanesveller | so...standard IDE features, basslingo? =P |
| 20:40.23 | NeoTron | basslingo: all new IDE or plugin for Eclipse or something? |
| 20:40.25 | shanesveller | admirable nonetheless |
| 20:40.27 | Aethenelle | handles crafting stuff right now... |
| 20:40.36 | basslingo | im writing it in java on eclipse |
| 20:40.40 | basslingo | but its gonna be standalone |
| 20:40.44 | Dashkal | linkerator + simple name-based search would be wonderful |
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| 20:41.03 | basslingo | i could do an eclipse plugin |
| 20:41.04 | shanesveller | i think someone needs to do an updated textmate bundle for wow addons, now that i found a lua bundle for it |
| 20:41.05 | Aethenelle | use /link [item] |
| 20:41.07 | basslingo | might be faster |
| 20:41.25 | basslingo | still in the planning stages |
| 20:41.36 | Aethenelle | only searches on full string tho... |
| 20:42.10 | NivFreak | soo, did they nerf TK so hard that it's easier than SSC now? :) |
| 20:42.30 | shanesveller | basslingo: i'm think plugins and standalone eclipse IDEs are programatically very similar, just packaged differently. |
| 20:42.41 | erzy | well the 3 first have been piss easy the last 4 months atleast |
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| 20:43.07 | erzy | lol @ tournament server |
| 20:43.11 | NivFreak | yea, we dropped VR, Solarian, and got Al'ar to 8% after 4 attempts |
| 20:43.14 | NivFreak | our first week in TK |
| 20:43.15 | NivFreak | nuts |
| 20:43.28 | Dashkal | Aethenelle: Hmm, well, I keep two computers around anyway. I might just give in on text search (since I can wowhead) for the extra features. Thanks for letting me know it handles non-items :) |
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| 20:43.35 | NeoTron | I'm not too familiar with plugins for Eclipse but it seems like using the whole framework is easier than rewritign it from scratch |
| 20:43.42 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63482 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: LibQuixote-2.0: Add new API function ":IterateQuestsByLevel()" |
| 20:43.49 | Dashkal | basslingo: Have a look at DLTK |
| 20:44.01 | Dashkal | It's a framework to assist in writing IDEs for dynamic languages |
| 20:44.12 | basslingo | ok, thanks |
| 20:44.33 | Dashkal | It is eclipse based, so expect the OSGI/SWT bit, but the community is pretty active |
| 20:45.03 | shanesveller | are there any forum threads with better details on using Ace3 than there is on the Wiki page? |
| 20:45.16 | NeoTron | I wonder if eclipse code editor can emulate emacs well enough now so I don't want to jump off a cliff while using it |
| 20:46.26 | Dashkal | NeoTron: I'm almost certain I ran across an emacs-like binding set for eclipse at one point |
| 20:46.32 | shanesveller | doubtful neotron. also, take a look at this for a laugh: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 20:46.44 | NeoTron | Dashkal: problem is whether or not it would actually be sufficiently good |
| 20:46.59 | NeoTron | any IDE I've tried so far with "emasc bindings" werent |
| 20:47.11 | NeoTron | especially for things like cut and paste and indentation |
| 20:47.14 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 20:47.18 | Thorgard | Kemayo, *poke* |
| 20:47.22 | Dashkal | for that level you really are best off using true emacs |
| 20:47.34 | NeoTron | which is why I still am :) |
| 20:47.39 | NeoTron | to be exact, I use xemacs |
| 20:47.48 | Dashkal | I never did learn either vi or emacs... I use nano in the console :p |
| 20:48.11 | Dashkal | Eclipse for Java, and Notepad++ for lua |
| 20:48.12 | Arrowmaster | you should learn vi |
| 20:48.24 | shanesveller | i used nano and jed, before i got too addicted to textmate to ever leave again |
| 20:48.28 | Arrowmaster | its just about the only text editor you can be sure to find on a nix system |
| 20:48.32 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: I know the very basics (:wq, i, o, :q!) that that's it |
| 20:48.46 | Kemayo | Thorgard: Yup? |
| 20:48.51 | Dashkal | So I can edit a file in a pinch, but usually it's aptitude install nano |
| 20:49.44 | NeoTron | jed!I've forced myself to learn the very basics of vi for that very reason |
| 20:49.49 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63483 10LibSimpleFrame-1.0/LibSimpleFrame-1.0.lua: LibSimpleFrame-1.0: New argument 'id' to :New(), provided to all handler functions. |
| 20:50.04 | shanesveller | yeah, jed was a brief fling before i learned better. |
| 20:50.04 | basslingo | vi is nice |
| 20:50.11 | shanesveller | like getting caught with a chubby as a teenager |
| 20:50.11 | Thorgard | Kemayo, since you've SVN access, feel like adding a , at the end of line 657 in Grid/GridFrame.lua? ;P |
| 20:50.16 | Dashkal | I played with jed for about a week... then went back to nano :p |
| 20:50.23 | shanesveller | chubby girl* |
| 20:50.41 | Dashkal | lol, it works without girl too :p |
| 20:51.17 | shanesveller | yeah, but with slightly different but just as embarassing connotations |
| 20:52.06 | Dashkal | heh. Still. Jed was nifty, but didn't offer enough to be worth its learning curve. |
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| 20:52.21 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63484 10BetterQuestTracker/ (config.lua core.lua): |
| 20:52.21 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: (very drycoded) |
| 20:52.21 | CIA-9 | -Create system of multiple trackers applying custom filters to the quest log. |
| 20:52.21 | CIA-9 | -Split config out into its own file. |
| 20:53.30 | Kemayo | Always the mockery. :P |
| 20:53.52 | shanesveller | just to clarify, is drycode meant in the sense of DRY, don't-repeat-yourself? or is there some other meaning for that? |
| 20:53.58 | CIA-9 | 03ulic * r63485 10Grid/GridFrame.lua: Grid: Added a missing , per Thorgard's request |
| 20:54.03 | dodga | shanesveller: AFAIK it means widely untested |
| 20:54.08 | Dashkal | shanesveller: No testing |
| 20:54.12 | Thorgard | shanesveller, means, not really tested. |
| 20:54.14 | Dashkal | Just code and commit and pray |
| 20:54.15 | shanesveller | ahhh |
| 20:54.36 | Aeyan | IT COMPILED! SHIP IT! |
| 20:54.40 | Stanzilla | Nine Inch Nails has just released the first volume of their new album “Ghosts” on BitTorrent sites as a free download. The band encourages its fans to share the album with friends, post it on websites and play it on podcasts |
| 20:54.42 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 20:55.22 | shanesveller | interesting. we just got a pack of NIN tracks on Rock Band, too. |
| 20:56.45 | Kemayo | Since it's on branches it's more a note to myself that I need to test it more thoroughly than normal. |
| 20:57.25 | shanesveller | gotcha |
| 20:58.03 | shanesveller | on a semi-related thought, is HandyNotes usable in any shape or form? I noticed it's still not in WAU even though I've watched commits to it on the SVN RSS for a few weeks |
| 20:58.59 | ulic | I think I saw him say it's waiting for 2.4, I could be wrong though. |
| 20:59.27 | shanesveller | Alright |
| 20:59.42 | erzy | Eum, how do you get to Sunwell Isle? |
| 20:59.57 | ulic | I took a gryphon |
| 21:00.00 | erzy | as horde |
| 21:00.09 | NeoTron | probably teleport or something :P |
| 21:00.14 | basslingo | ehe |
| 21:00.17 | basslingo | hehe* |
| 21:00.24 | NeoTron | (nah I don't really know) |
| 21:00.24 | shanesveller | swim. hard. |
| 21:00.31 | ulic | as alliance when I logged into the PTR, I had a flight path already. |
| 21:00.35 | NeoTron | I assume you can hop on a flight path from somewhere |
| 21:01.04 | erzy | nvm |
| 21:01.06 | erzy | found it |
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| 21:02.02 | shanesveller | to any of you developers who use git, has anyone come across a worthwhile issue tracker that will interface with a git repo, ala Trac? |
| 21:02.12 | erzy | and btw, why is the textures for already existing places like shit on PTR? |
| 21:02.36 | shanesveller | I hear there is in fact a git plugin for trac, and a git patch for redmine, but I'm not keen on either of those except as a last resort. |
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| 21:04.04 | CIA-9 | 03alar * r63486 10AlarLib/AlarLib.toc: |
| 21:04.04 | CIA-9 | AlarLib |
| 21:04.04 | CIA-9 | Fixed revision number |
| 21:04.09 | Aeyan | shanesveller: I think he said he was waiting on the next version of Tomtom before finishing HandyNotes |
| 21:04.20 | shanesveller | Gotcha, thanks |
| 21:04.30 | Aeyan | Should be pretty soon |
| 21:05.03 | Kemayo | shanesveller: I'm using HandyNotes on live, and it seems fine so far. |
| 21:05.09 | dre^ | is it possible to intercept /yells prior to them being printed? |
| 21:05.21 | shanesveller | kemayo: thanks |
| 21:05.24 | basslingo | and /says ? |
| 21:05.30 | dre^ | well I'd guess that's how ignore works... but what if I want to ignore an NPC... |
| 21:05.46 | nevcairiel | dre^: you can hook the handler function |
| 21:05.48 | dre^ | I desire to remove Cro Threadstrong from my world of warcraft |
| 21:06.04 | basslingo | has anyone else noticed that the majority of spam comes from lvl 1 orc warriors (male) |
| 21:06.19 | dre^ | nevcairiel: ok thanks |
| 21:06.32 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tuller |
| 21:06.33 | purl | tuller <n=chatzill@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 19h 48m 23s ago, saying: 'probably beastiality'. |
| 21:06.44 | basslingo | lol |
| 21:06.45 | dre^ | oo pwned |
| 21:06.53 | shanesveller | rofl |
| 21:07.13 | basslingo | priceless |
| 21:07.17 | NeoTron | I wonder what they do over there in #wowi-lounge |
| 21:08.13 | shanesveller | Anyone particularly fond of a printed Lua book for purposes of WoW programming? |
| 21:08.35 | shanesveller | I've found a few online that seem worthwhile, but sometimes I prefer reading paper books. |
| 21:08.47 | Arrowmaster | http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Programming-Reference-Creating/dp/0470229810/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200991833&sr=1-1 |
| 21:08.48 | ckknight | there's one coming out in April... |
| 21:09.01 | shanesveller | yeah, i saw that in the room desc. |
| 21:09.08 | shanesveller | Other than that? |
| 21:09.34 | dre^ | if you're new to programming, a really gook book on any similar language would probably be just as useful |
| 21:09.37 | Chompers | god damn anetheron was intense |
| 21:10.13 | dre^ | anetheron always drops his crappy loot for us |
| 21:10.15 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63487 10BetterQuestTracker/ (config.lua core.lua): |
| 21:10.15 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestTracker: |
| 21:10.15 | CIA-9 | -With multiple trackers, they should be disableable. |
| 21:10.15 | CIA-9 | -Don't create the frames for disabled trackers. |
| 21:10.16 | Arrowmaster | shanesveller: theres http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Warcraft-ExtremeTech-Daniel-Gilbert/dp/0470110023/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204578593&sr=1-1 |
| 21:10.21 | Arrowmaster | but ive never read that one |
| 21:10.33 | shanesveller | I saw that at border's today on an unrelated trip, flipped through it and wasn't impressed |
| 21:10.45 | shanesveller | 2/3 of it seemed to be a catalog of popular addons at the time of print |
| 21:10.55 | shanesveller | with descriptions of their slash-commands |
| 21:11.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Lua-Second-Roberto-Ierusalimschy/dp/8590379825/ref=pd_sim_b_img_5/002-9743402-1862460 |
| 21:11.17 | Arrowmaster | not wow realated though |
| 21:11.23 | shanesveller | dre^: good advice, but i'm on my fifth or sixth programming language with lua |
| 21:11.33 | shanesveller | it's just the quirky stuff i'm looking for references for |
| 21:11.44 | dre^ | ah righton, then something wow-specific would probably be best |
| 21:12.07 | Dashkal | The one in the desc is probably the best bet, along with the reference manual they link on the lua website |
| 21:12.07 | Arrowmaster | PiL is one of the best Lua references other than the manual |
| 21:12.14 | Kemayo | shanesveller: I've always made do with wowwiki.com/API and PiL. |
| 21:12.15 | shanesveller | i've gone from c to c++ to java to ruby and python |
| 21:12.38 | shanesveller | ruby's my fave so far |
| 21:12.50 | dre^ | yeah, as a somewhat experienced (hack of a) programmer, I have written a couple basic mods just from teh online tutorials and API references |
| 21:13.35 | shanesveller | I'm hoping to get better understanding of other folks' mods as much as write my own |
| 21:14.11 | shanesveller | so to better evaluate why one might be better than the other at the same thing. |
| 21:14.21 | dre^ | there's a lot of things that are pretty disgusting if you have any exposure to a 'real' api... |
| 21:14.27 | dre^ | but them's the brakes I guess :) |
| 21:14.29 | shanesveller | haha |
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| 21:15.26 | dre^ | the first time I saw that giant chunk of code everybody uses to text-scrape tool tips I nearly puked |
| 21:15.57 | shanesveller | I'm too addicted to this whole agile, refactor-everything fad with ruby and rails and such |
| 21:16.40 | dre^ | yeah that's all great, and sorta assumes you have some structure to the data that is interesting to you. I fully applaud that whole scene. |
| 21:16.51 | dre^ | but it's very different than the wow world, heh |
| 21:17.02 | shanesveller | I can only imagine. |
| 21:17.10 | dre^ | at least in terms of what blizard provides |
| 21:17.19 | shanesveller | Right. |
| 21:17.25 | dre^ | projects like wowace do a pretty awesome job with what they provide |
| 21:17.51 | shanesveller | I've noticed. I've been looking at APIs on WowAce and WowWiki for a week or so. |
| 21:18.58 | dre^ | for example, why is there not an object oriented model for all the data that a client has access to? |
| 21:19.28 | dre^ | x = char.jindi.spellbook.15.manacost |
| 21:19.30 | dre^ | for example |
| 21:20.09 | shanesveller | That'd be too easy. |
| 21:20.15 | dre^ | seems like a no-brainer at the design stage... |
| 21:20.20 | shanesveller | Yeap |
| 21:20.43 | dre^ | maybe they have that internally, but choose not to expose it... *shrug* |
| 21:20.50 | basslingo | re^ why dont you make an SDK for it that way ;) |
| 21:21.04 | Kemayo | Wouldn't be too hard to hack in a library that did that. I mean, *horrible* abuse of metatables, but nothing conceptually difficult. |
| 21:21.35 | dre^ | because the whole point of such an API would that it be supported and abstracted from the specific representation that blizard provides in their UI. Screen scraping to arrive at it is hardly a good solution. |
| 21:21.57 | Gnarfoz | is Bongos really unusable for the Teron Gorefiend fight in regards to the Ghost form spell bar? |
| 21:21.57 | dre^ | yes, it could be done, but ... it seems upside down to me :) |
| 21:22.10 | shanesveller | Some of that may be to do with the logic they don't want to expose to us directly. |
| 21:22.11 | dre^ | I've never had problems with bongos / gorefiend |
| 21:22.14 | shanesveller | Threat calculations for example |
| 21:22.33 | basslingo | ive had problems with bongos and tonks -.- |
| 21:22.42 | shanesveller | Things they not only don't care to provide but would strictly prefer not to |
| 21:22.42 | dre^ | the problems I have there are just the normal "I'm not a pet-using class" problems, heh |
| 21:23.18 | dre^ | namely that I have no room anywhere for keybinds for pet bar, so I have to click everything which makes me suck at it. |
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| 21:25.41 | Arrowmaster | bongos still uses the pet bar for that? |
| 21:30.59 | dre^ | er... bongos can display a pet bar, a pet bar is needed for gorefiend |
| 21:31.25 | dre^ | anybody who gets ghosted gets a pet bar, bongos or not |
| 21:33.39 | ulic | same with chess in Kara |
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| 21:38.44 | genetik | i made each person in my guild a steam tonk a couple days before we started on gorefiend just to make sure people knew where their pet bar was |
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| 21:40.33 | Gnarfoz | dre^: one in my raid insists it's not a pet bar and his bongos won't show it |
| 21:41.07 | ZealotOnAStick | Gnarfoz: tell him to turn the freaking pet bar visible in his Bongos2 settings. |
| 21:41.10 | dre^ | it is a pet bar |
| 21:41.19 | ZealotOnAStick | I use Bongos2. I'm a Warlock. We have Illidan on farm. It works fine. |
| 21:41.20 | Aens|Superiority | I often lie to cover up my own inadequacies! |
| 21:41.22 | dre^ | and yes, bongos is probably configured to not show pet bar |
| 21:41.41 | dre^ | (and yeah, I've been saying bongos but I mean bongos2) |
| 21:42.17 | ZealotOnAStick | He's either got it set to not visible, or it's under some other bar or UI element. |
| 21:42.21 | ZealotOnAStick | or he's an idiotic. |
| 21:42.26 | ZealotOnAStick | or multiple of the above. |
| 21:42.32 | dodga | All of the above! |
| 21:43.02 | Gnarfoz | ZealotOnAStick: yeah, I figure he'll be surprised to find a pet bar show up suddenly |
| 21:43.22 | voidwalker | can you get to teldrassil from darkshore via boat? |
| 21:43.31 | Arrowmaster | why doesnt bongos2 support the possession bar yet |
| 21:43.39 | ZealotOnAStick | voidwalker: yes. |
| 21:43.51 | voidwalker | uh, how do you know where the boat goes? |
| 21:43.56 | ZealotOnAStick | read the signs? |
| 21:44.12 | voidwalker | the signs on what? |
| 21:44.21 | ZealotOnAStick | center of the docks where they branch off three ways, there's a tall pole doodad, with sign doodads sticking off it. Mouseover them. |
| 21:44.22 | dre^ | ask the NPCs |
| 21:44.28 | ZealotOnAStick | I can even read them as Horde. |
| 21:44.29 | Elsia | it's the right pier coming from town |
| 21:44.40 | voidwalker | ohh, piers |
| 21:44.43 | voidwalker | i get it |
| 21:44.51 | Elsia | right->tendrassil, straight->exodar, left->menethil |
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| 21:45.10 | ZealotOnAStick | but yeah, if you're heading out on the dock, with the shore behind you, it's the right one. straight is Bloodmyst or Azuremyst, whatever, left one is . . . Hmm, The place in Feralas? |
| 21:45.18 | ZealotOnAStick | Ahh, Menethil. |
| 21:45.21 | dodga | left is menethil |
| 21:45.21 | ZealotOnAStick | Sure, that. |
| 21:45.28 | ZealotOnAStick | I dunno, never took that boat. |
| 21:45.29 | dre^ | whenever I'm leading world raids, I like to gather everybody up there and then /roll to determine which pier to choose... keeps people guessing right up until the end. works rather well. |
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| 21:46.26 | ZealotOnAStick | Arrowmaster: wha? |
| 21:46.38 | Arrowmaster | possession bar |
| 21:46.44 | voidwalker | where is Menethil ? :| |
| 21:46.47 | Arrowmaster | default ui and bartender3 use it |
| 21:46.53 | dre^ | what shows up on the possesion bar? |
| 21:47.02 | Arrowmaster | basicly the pet bar |
| 21:47.17 | Arrowmaster | it maps the abilitys to the main bar |
| 21:47.17 | dre^ | heh, I don't get it |
| 21:47.53 | Arrowmaster | so instead of having a pet bar show up for all those non pet classes that never know where their pet bar is its just maped to bar1 |
| 21:47.54 | Gibbonz | is AtlasLoot happy with Cartographer loaded? |
| 21:48.10 | dre^ | works ok for me gibbonz |
| 21:48.31 | Gibbonz | ta dre |
| 21:48.35 | dre^ | arrowmaster: ah I see. that makes good sense |
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| 21:48.54 | dre^ | Arrowmaster: that would be a good solution for me actually, for gorefiend |
| 21:48.55 | Ordog | is there any chance that enchantlist will work in a multilingual environment? (en client ger server and vice versa) |
| 21:48.58 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: Just a note, but they didn't remove the unit:guid thing for tooltips, they just removed showing health. unless you knew that already :p |
| 21:49.20 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: they only removed the healthbar? |
| 21:49.28 | Ordog | thought of adding a Babble dep and some scriptaculous stuff |
| 21:49.30 | Xinhuan | i knew that already :) |
| 21:49.36 | Xinhuan | i was on it a few days back |
| 21:49.49 | Arrowmaster | what does tooltip:GetUnit() return? i still havent tested that |
| 21:49.52 | Xinhuan | shadowed, can you add a "ressurection monitor" |
| 21:49.59 | Xinhuan | to afflicted, if it isn't already in |
| 21:50.10 | Shadowed | Arcaia: Correct |
| 21:50.16 | Shadowed | Afflicted? why would i |
| 21:50.20 | Xinhuan | "xyz starts to cast Ressurection..." |
| 21:50.21 | Shadowed | thats way outside the scope |
| 21:50.22 | Shadowed | oh |
| 21:50.43 | Xinhuan | like show a warning someone is trying to rez a teammate |
| 21:50.55 | Shadowed | ehhh, I thhink that'd be kind of out of the scope |
| 21:51.02 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 21:51.08 | sb | wah no! |
| 21:51.11 | sb | dont do it ;) |
| 21:51.23 | sb | <3 arena rezz |
| 21:51.37 | Primer | !rating 1500 |
| 21:51.37 | Xinhuan | 1500 rating gives 344(5s), 302(3s) and 261(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 21:51.50 | Primer | !rating 1600 |
| 21:51.50 | Xinhuan | 1600 rating gives 465(5s), 409(3s) and 353(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 21:51.52 | dre^ | there's a mod called arena rez? how oxymoronic... |
| 21:52.04 | Shadowed | No he likes ressing in arenas |
| 21:52.06 | Shadowed | I assume at least |
| 21:52.19 | sb | err okay |
| 21:52.22 | sb | <3 ressing in arenas! |
| 21:52.35 | dre^ | it's pretty much impossible to rez anything but a hunter pet in an arena, unless I'm missing something... |
| 21:52.37 | Shadowed | I'll think about it Xinhuan, but dunno |
| 21:52.51 | sb | dre^: why? |
| 21:53.04 | break19 | dre^: druid rebirth. |
| 21:53.05 | Shadowed | err Arrowmaster correct |
| 21:53.06 | dre^ | well it hasn't happened to me yet, so I just assumed... but |
| 21:53.09 | sb | no, druid isnt working |
| 21:53.10 | Xinhuan | i mean, an alert for when the enemy team tries to rez a teammate |
| 21:53.11 | Shadowed | stupid IRC with 500 people |
| 21:53.15 | sb | priest, pally, shaman works |
| 21:53.30 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: correct what? |
| 21:53.36 | dre^ | how could I have not known that, I wonder... |
| 21:53.36 | Shadowed | about the healthbar |
| 21:53.38 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 21:53.39 | nymbia | rebirth's cooldown is too long to use in arenas |
| 21:53.44 | Xinhuan | [3/4 05:52:31] <dre^> it's pretty much impossible to rez anything but a hunter pet in an arena, unless I'm missing something... |
| 21:53.47 | dre^ | maybe cause ankh is no go... |
| 21:53.49 | Xinhuan | its quite possible to rez a teammate |
| 21:53.54 | dre^ | ya, rebirth is 10 minutes too long |
| 21:53.57 | Xinhuan | you just need 10 seconds to pull it off |
| 21:53.58 | ZealotOnAStick | rez in arena is doable. Especially with haste + bloodlust. |
| 21:53.58 | Funkeh` | its easy to rez |
| 21:54.04 | Funkeh` | it's stupid also |
| 21:54.07 | Xinhuan | or 7 seconds with heroism |
| 21:54.10 | ZealotOnAStick | not easy, but doable. |
| 21:54.14 | nymbia | priests, pallys, and shamans can do it just fine |
| 21:54.14 | Chaud | If you get rezed on... |
| 21:54.16 | dre^ | or 9.4 seconds with my spell haste :) or 9 seconds with a scarab proc |
| 21:54.30 | ZealotOnAStick | bloodlust/heroism, whatever. |
| 21:54.37 | Xinhuan | hey i've won arenas with my team pulling off 7 sec rezzes :D |
| 21:54.48 | Xinhuan | that's why i'm thinking a rez warning modwould be useufl |
| 21:54.51 | dre^ | that's dope |
| 21:55.06 | nymbia | it wins close games a lot. |
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| 21:55.27 | Funkeh` | nymbia, u suk |
| 21:55.30 | nymbia | what's great is when they land the rez and you blow away the rezzed person instantly |
| 21:55.33 | nymbia | Funkeh`: no u |
| 21:55.34 | dre^ | it'd be pretty easy to just bang out a quick mod to hook the combat text and then play sounds or whatever... |
| 21:55.58 | KarlThePagan | dre^, BWL or ZG trinkets for more haste ;) |
| 21:56.11 | KarlThePagan | for paladin / priest respectively |
| 21:56.15 | dre^ | I wrote a mod that provides a command line interface for adding text strings to hook and then associated wav / mp3 files to play when those strings are found |
| 21:56.27 | dre^ | (if anybody wants it) |
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| 21:56.59 | dre^ | I mostly use it for burns and shadow bolts |
| 21:58.16 | break19 | dre^: so.. if someone talks about yo momma, it plays sounds? |
| 21:58.42 | dre^ | if I tell it to watch my momma and tell it the name of an appropriate sound file, yes :) |
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| 21:58.52 | break19 | you 'said' it watches for burns.... so I just assumed it already did |
| 21:58.57 | Gibbonz | also, whats the current anti-spam mod of choice? |
| 21:59.10 | dre^ | you're right, my mom is in fact named burns |
| 21:59.20 | break19 | \facepalm |
| 21:59.21 | dre^ | (boo urns) |
| 21:59.38 | break19 | "dude. you just got burned" |
| 22:00.04 | dre^ | lol oh I get it |
| 22:00.14 | dre^ | yes, burns, snaps, and cut-downs alike |
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| 22:01.33 | Gibbonz | seems to be SpamMeNot, going by revision numbers but thought I'd ask :) |
| 22:01.34 | dre^ | it's part of the beysian neural network conversation adapter that I subclassed from the super new version of AceInTheHole |
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| 22:03.29 | CIA-9 | 03xbeeps * r63488 10LibHealComm-3.0/LibHealComm-3.0.lua: |
| 22:03.29 | CIA-9 | LibHealComm-3.0: |
| 22:03.29 | CIA-9 | - Clear the (left) lines of the scanning tooltip before refilling it. |
| 22:04.42 | Pkekyo| | To a police officer: "You're a public servant... Go get me a glass of water!" :p |
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| 22:14.15 | ZealotOnAStick | Actually, I'd love to see someone come up with a Bayesian adaptive forum bot. |
| 22:15.07 | NivFreak | do any of you guys kill leo without a warlock in FR? |
| 22:15.09 | Pkekyo| | wait...what? |
| 22:15.18 | thul | Pkekyo|: thanks |
| 22:16.25 | Pkekyo| | Ellipsis: oh hai2u geif moar |
| 22:16.25 | Pkekyo| | thul: for what? |
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| 22:16.53 | NeoTron | NivFreak: you can use a normal tank in FR but threat will be harder plus melee has to be more careful |
| 22:17.51 | NivFreak | NeoTron: why is threat harder? |
| 22:18.08 | NivFreak | I understand the melee issues, but some people claim you can range it if positioned properly |
| 22:18.09 | [dRaCo] | searing pain > any tank |
| 22:18.13 | NivFreak | hah |
| 22:18.16 | NivFreak | good point |
| 22:18.52 | [dRaCo] | my melee group usually goes all out after 1 or 2 SPs |
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| 22:18.57 | [dRaCo] | no aggro problems, ever. |
| 22:19.10 | NivFreak | do you really need an SL/SL lock? |
| 22:19.13 | [dRaCo] | no |
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| 22:19.15 | NivFreak | k |
| 22:19.22 | NivFreak | and ~250 FR right? |
| 22:19.26 | Yssaril | NivFreak: a good lock will time a CoD and a SoulFire and have 2-3 dots ticking when he switches over |
| 22:19.31 | [dRaCo] | we usually got one of our destros to do it |
| 22:19.51 | Yssaril | so you have 8-12k threat the second he switches to demon form |
| 22:19.55 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r63490 10BetterQuestTracker/BetterQuestTracker.toc: BetterQuestTracker: No-one puts config in the TOC! |
| 22:19.57 | voidwalker | if you're level 70, do you get anything if you kill a lvl 25 char? |
| 22:20.08 | Grum | NivFreak: if you have SL/SL 250 should do it |
| 22:20.10 | Kemayo | PvP? No. |
| 22:20.12 | [dRaCo] | yeah, if you got a shaman dropping a FR totem or a pala providing an aura |
| 22:20.12 | Grum | else full is advised |
| 22:20.20 | Grum | just get 100 badges and get the gear + aura .. should be okish |
| 22:20.26 | voidwalker | then why are lvl 70s killing me ? :| |
| 22:20.41 | Grum | voidwalker: pvpserver? |
| 22:20.44 | voidwalker | ues |
| 22:20.45 | Grum | you asked for it then |
| 22:20.45 | voidwalker | yes* |
| 22:21.03 | NivFreak | Grum: our locks aren't really hot on the idea of blowing 100 badges right before 2.4 comes out |
| 22:21.13 | NivFreak | so we were looking at the crafted blues |
| 22:21.19 | NivFreak | + some random green shit |
| 22:21.52 | Grum | lol |
| 22:22.11 | Grum | can understand that yeah :) |
| 22:22.17 | Yssaril | NivFreak: no need to blow 100 badges just get all the aldor tailor made stuff and then like 2 of the badge stuff |
| 22:22.34 | NivFreak | Yssaril: I'd be amazed if we can get them to spend any badges ;) |
| 22:22.39 | NivFreak | and I can't say I really blame them |
| 22:22.59 | Grum | tbh, anything for progress |
| 22:23.02 | Yssaril | bah they need to l2play |
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| 22:23.13 | NivFreak | I'm also a little concerned about taking our top DPS lock, and making him wear all resist gear ;) |
| 22:23.18 | Grum | just give one free DKP if they do it |
| 22:23.19 | Yssaril | thats the fun of being a warlock you get to tank some of the fun fights |
| 22:23.22 | Grum | NivFreak: its not a dps-race |
| 22:23.33 | Grum | its a 'dodge the WW, kill your demon' race |
| 22:23.37 | [dRaCo] | if nobody dies, dps is not an issue there |
| 22:23.46 | NivFreak | that's almost always the case draco :) |
| 22:24.00 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 22:24.06 | Grum | well .. WW+demon are the only things that can kill you :P |
| 22:24.07 | [dRaCo] | but even more at leo |
| 22:24.29 | [dRaCo] | tbh, he's awfully easy once you got the idea |
| 22:24.48 | NivFreak | yea, just have to get the lock tank worked out |
| 22:24.53 | break19 | anyone here use aloft? |
| 22:25.02 | NivFreak | We've been cruising through TK, so I'm just trying to get us ready for SSC |
| 22:25.19 | NivFreak | resist gear is sort of a PITA |
| 22:25.20 | Grum | NivFreak: killed kael? |
| 22:25.30 | Grum | NivFreak: frost/nature shit is expensive |
| 22:25.37 | NivFreak | Grum: we've had 2 raid nights, dropped VR/Solarian and Al'ar to 8% after 4 attempts |
| 22:25.44 | break19 | I'm not getting any sort of nameplate for opposing faction players.. but I am, for their pets. |
| 22:25.51 | NivFreak | as well as cleared gruul for half the first day |
| 22:25.57 | dre^ | if you can kill kael you should be able to cruise SSC. I would have thought going SSC --> TK was more usual |
| 22:26.01 | Grum | NivFreak: nice |
| 22:26.03 | Yssaril | NivFreak: just understand that even with FR at cap the warlock is likely to die at least once during the fight not much you can do about that so make sure they have a SS up and have a druid stand by to rez him if need be |
| 22:26.07 | Grum | dont skip Magtheridon btw |
| 22:26.11 | NivFreak | dre^: TK was more accessible since we didn't have resist ready |
| 22:26.13 | Grum | its a frkkin piss easy fight atm |
| 22:26.18 | NivFreak | Grum: we have mag wednesday |
| 22:26.39 | NivFreak | Yssaril: that's sort of pointless, no? |
| 22:26.44 | NivFreak | death is a threat wipe |
| 22:27.07 | Grum | no its not |
| 22:27.12 | Grum | it might be a threatwipe |
| 22:27.19 | Grum | but for the next one the SS will get him up again |
| 22:27.24 | NivFreak | ah, sure |
| 22:27.28 | Grum | they should only die after 4+ debuffs |
| 22:27.30 | Yssaril | NivFreak: true but it tends to happen towards the end of the demon phase and its not that big of a deal if he bolts someone once or even 4 times without FR |
| 22:27.34 | Grum | which is only after ~30-40 seconds |
| 22:27.37 | NeoTron | NivFreak: the warlock is the most likely to die during the last 15% |
| 22:27.44 | NivFreak | I see |
| 22:27.47 | NeoTron | when the demon doesn't have anything but healing aggro |
| 22:27.47 | NivFreak | good to know |
| 22:27.50 | Grum | thus just little time left after that .. which some creating healing could fix ;D |
| 22:27.59 | NeoTron | I often regained aggro reasobnly easily if I died |
| 22:28.01 | NivFreak | I'm sure we'll have him in all pvp gear + FR |
| 22:28.17 | Yssaril | NivFreak: it helps alot if the lock can also have 14k+ health buffed |
| 22:28.25 | Grum | ~14k is useful |
| 22:28.25 | purl | Grum: okay |
| 22:28.29 | Grum | yeah indeed Yssaril |
| 22:28.37 | NeoTron | 14k is pathetic >:-) |
| 22:28.40 | NeoTron | I was >18k buffed |
| 22:28.40 | HIghoS | What we generally use todo, if we had multiple prot warriors in the raid, is at 15% let one of your tanks build aggro on the demon for a few seconds and get ahead of healing aggro. |
| 22:28.52 | NivFreak | Yssaril: I don't think that'll be a problem, he has full S3 |
| 22:28.55 | NeoTron | when demo specced I survived hits that raw would have been like 22k |
| 22:28.56 | HIghoS | So that when/if the lock dies, the demon is on A tank and not raping a healer. |
| 22:29.21 | HIghoS | If the lock is good, he can pop back up and get aggro in no time. |
| 22:29.44 | Yssaril | or you can also use 2 locks that are fighting for agro then it dosn't matter if one dies :P |
| 22:29.52 | HIghoS | o_O |
| 22:29.52 | NeoTron | stamina/health elixirs, 30 stam food, imp imp (of course), demo shout |
| 22:29.55 | NeoTron | use them all |
| 22:30.08 | NeoTron | Yssaril: wasting another spot on an FR geared lock? |
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| 22:30.55 | HIghoS | You can do the entire fight with 1 regular tank + 1 FR lock. Nothing more. At least once you know it and are use to it. |
| 22:31.04 | HIghoS | Leo is all about learning how Not To Die(tm) |
| 22:31.06 | Grum | more than one tank is somewhat useful tbh |
| 22:31.17 | Grum | especially with the initial trash |
| 22:31.21 | NivFreak | alright, we'll I have him spec SL/SL for SSC, and use 250FR from crafted bits, and his S3 gear |
| 22:31.21 | Yssaril | NeoTron: hehe true but its still an option |
| 22:31.24 | HIghoS | Oh, I know. I've tanked it with multiple before :) Just saying, if your tank is good, you can do it with one. |
| 22:31.30 | NivFreak | s/we'll/well/ |
| 22:31.35 | NivFreak | I fail |
| 22:31.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Grum: well you're likely to have ~3ish tanks anyway for the rest of the instance :P |
| 22:31.37 | NivFreak | but whatever |
| 22:31.46 | HIghoS | (well i'm talking about like... a protection warrior and ferals.. they can go cat and dps, etc) |
| 22:31.46 | Grum | yeah |
| 22:31.50 | Grum | at least 3 and something that can OT :) |
| 22:32.08 | NeoTron | NivFreak: SL/SL is NOT the best spec |
| 22:32.09 | HIghoS | We generally would run with 2 prots and 1-2 ferals. |
| 22:32.17 | NivFreak | NeoTron: what do you recommend? |
| 22:32.21 | NightHawkTheSane | we've actually done the fight with a prot warrior in FR gear tanking the demon |
| 22:32.21 | NeoTron | sec |
| 22:32.23 | NivFreak | he's destro now, and our top DPS :) |
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| 22:32.24 | HIghoS | So the prot's fight for aggro, and are backup on the demon in case our lock died. |
| 22:32.41 | HIghoS | NightHawkTheSane, Hardcore. I would not want to try that as a prot warrior. Would have suched gimped threat. |
| 22:32.59 | HIghoS | I know ferals can do it without a huge loss of threat. |
| 22:33.01 | NivFreak | man, I must have gotten 12 taunt resists in TK last night |
| 22:33.02 | NightHawkTheSane | HIghoS: yeah, it was painful. >< we didn't do it by choice, just had no locks with FR gear online |
| 22:33.06 | NivFreak | I've never seen that many before |
| 22:33.08 | HIghoS | (but then they are op having ridiculous AP + crit in tanking gear) |
| 22:33.22 | HIghoS | NightHawkTheSane, heh. |
| 22:33.31 | NivFreak | yea, I had some people saying they do leo with a feral tank |
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| 22:33.45 | NivFreak | for demon form |
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| 22:33.51 | HIghoS | I'd def suggest 2 regular tanks + 1 lock tank for it. |
| 22:34.02 | HIghoS | and let your two tanks fight for aggro-whomever gains it, is tanking. No MT OT bullshit. |
| 22:34.13 | HIghoS | searing totems are the shit too |
| 22:34.16 | NeoTron | something like this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IZbxczIiz0xsZxx0xbh |
| 22:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, thats basically what we do, HIghoS |
| 22:34.25 | NeoTron | with extra points wherever |
| 22:34.28 | NeoTron | probably... |
| 22:34.31 | HIghoS | You drop them in the middle, prot warrior intervene them is lol hilarious way to get aggro. |
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| 22:34.47 | NightHawkTheSane | any fights that have de-agro components, we just let our ferals/prot warriors fight it out, and whoever gets it tanks :P |
| 22:35.03 | NivFreak | NeoTron: seems like it'd be nice to have nether protection though =/ |
| 22:35.04 | HIghoS | (given you generally spent your time running around after leo trying to get in the person 1-2 hits right when he clears aggro and changes phases) |
| 22:35.10 | NivFreak | but I guess that might threat wipe |
| 22:35.17 | Yssaril | we run with lock druid pally tanks druids are great cause you can just heal them thru the WW and they keep their bleeds up and pick them up the sec he wipes threat |
| 22:35.17 | NeoTron | this perhaps http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ILZbxczIiz0xsZxx0xrhz |
| 22:35.24 | NeoTron | NivFreak: absolutely not |
| 22:35.35 | NivFreak | yea, I forgot about the threat wipe bit :) |
| 22:35.36 | NeoTron | first of all nether protection doesn't work there and IF it did, it would cause him to swap aggro |
| 22:35.37 | NivFreak | at first |
| 22:35.45 | HIghoS | You know, it sounds dumb, but i'm surprised I never though about putting rend on leo. |
| 22:35.57 | HIghoS | No idea if that would work, but considering how some of our DPS has died, you never know. |
| 22:35.58 | NivFreak | why? |
| 22:36.00 | NeoTron | when we first came to Illidan I had nether protection |
| 22:36.09 | NeoTron | was tons of fun when it procced and he proceeded to own random ppl in the raid |
| 22:36.19 | NivFreak | haha |
| 22:36.27 | Yssaril | HIghoS: it works great for leo :) |
| 22:36.46 | NeoTron | dots (rend or lacerate) would work... |
| 22:36.46 | HIghoS | hmm, well if we ever get suckered back there having to key someone, i'll keep in it mind. |
| 22:36.50 | NeoTron | but searing totem is the win |
| 22:36.57 | HIghoS | but god forbid, I don't want to clear all of SSC again anytime soon. |
| 22:36.59 | Yssaril | also pally backup is great for their avenger shield just in case leo does go after someone else |
| 22:37.22 | NeoTron | NivFreak: basically optimal leotheras build SUCKS for DPS |
| 22:37.34 | NeoTron | I only had a sucky SL build for earlier in my career |
| 22:37.44 | NeoTron | later on I went with felguard spec and even later just normal destruction |
| 22:37.51 | HIghoS | We've never had our locks respec o_O |
| 22:37.56 | HIghoS | We've always just had a destro lock do it. |
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| 22:38.05 | NivFreak | well nether protection seems like it could go badly ;) |
| 22:38.08 | NeoTron | but I see locks with 13-14k tanking it in which case SL is pretty required and more margins is awlays good |
| 22:38.31 | NeoTron | oh and you definitely want 295 FR |
| 22:38.33 | NeoTron | not less |
| 22:38.49 | NeoTron | well |
| 22:38.54 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: you're wrong fyi, you can only inspect non hostile and non pvp flagged people |
| 22:38.58 | NeoTron | if you spec demo, I guess, you can get around with 225 |
| 22:38.58 | Shadowed | Meaning, you can't get gear info in arenas |
| 22:39.06 | NeoTron | or 260 if you go felguard |
| 22:39.17 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 22:39.18 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 22:39.21 | NivFreak | how much resist does the felhunter give again? |
| 22:39.28 | NeoTron | 70 |
| 22:39.30 | NivFreak | and you can get FR aura from a pally |
| 22:39.33 | NivFreak | which is, 70? |
| 22:39.38 | Grum | yup |
| 22:39.45 | Xinhuan | so on pve servers you can inspect opposite faction? |
| 22:39.46 | NivFreak | so 225 |
| 22:39.48 | Grum | 225 is needed |
| 22:39.52 | NeoTron | thus. 225 with FH/Pally|lock, 260 with FG/Pally|lock, 295 w/o fh/fg |
| 22:40.07 | Shadowed | Correct |
| 22:40.09 | NeoTron | FG is better DPS by far |
| 22:40.12 | NeoTron | but will be less threat |
| 22:40.13 | Grum | NeoTron: not sure, but does motw stack |
| 22:40.15 | NivFreak | felguard gives resist too? I didn't know that |
| 22:40.17 | NeoTron | Grum: no |
| 22:40.21 | NivFreak | Grum: no |
| 22:40.27 | Grum | Grum: no |
| 22:40.28 | Shadowed | I assume you can get talents as well if they aren't hostile/flagged, but not 100% sure |
| 22:40.32 | NeoTron | yes, FG is a mix betwen succubus and felhunter |
| 22:40.34 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 22:40.50 | Fisker- | mean Grum |
| 22:40.59 | Fisker- | i don't like you |
| 22:41.10 | Grum | i do lick you |
| 22:41.21 | NivFreak | well thanks for all the input guys |
| 22:41.28 | thul | Pkekyo|edu: deviantart |
| 22:41.41 | NivFreak | it's hard to sort through what is pre/post nerf bat info on bosses in SSC/TK |
| 22:41.59 | NivFreak | I'm actually suprised that they haven't gotten rid of the resist requirements in SSC |
| 22:42.02 | NivFreak | since they did in TK |
| 22:42.06 | NeoTron | main problem with bosskillers - out of date strats or outright incorrect ones, like the info on the flames at illidan |
| 22:42.21 | NeoTron | well Solarian was a broken fight |
| 22:42.32 | NeoTron | people did it in a way that wasn't intended |
| 22:42.37 | NivFreak | people used a lot of FR for Al'ar at first too, right? |
| 22:42.44 | Grum | NivFreak: they just changed the fight because Solarian was stupidly easy to overpower |
| 22:42.44 | NeoTron | nah I don't think so |
| 22:42.53 | Grum | you could just go fullout nuke |
| 22:42.54 | NeoTron | I think people speculated about it but no one ever actually did |
| 22:42.56 | Grum | and take 6-7 deaths |
| 22:43.06 | NivFreak | that reminds me |
| 22:43.13 | NivFreak | wtf is with solarian's threat |
| 22:43.18 | NeoTron | Grum: heh hardly. she's much easier to "overpower" now than before |
| 22:43.22 | NivFreak | does she really have any in phase 1? |
| 22:43.28 | NeoTron | that bouncing dot thing was incredibly dangerous |
| 22:43.36 | NeoTron | she does |
| 22:43.40 | NeoTron | but she's like aran |
| 22:43.44 | Grum | NivFreak: she has no threat |
| 22:43.44 | NeoTron | just casts on random targets |
| 22:43.47 | Grum | she isn't tanktable |
| 22:43.51 | Grum | its like Aran |
| 22:43.52 | NeoTron | Grum: wrong in fact |
| 22:43.56 | NivFreak | well see |
| 22:43.56 | NeoTron | she, and Aran, both have threat |
| 22:44.00 | NivFreak | I've heard that asserted |
| 22:44.02 | Grum | yes random ;D |
| 22:44.03 | NeoTron | that's why they go around and whack people at times |
| 22:44.08 | NivFreak | but she seemed to have a different attack for me |
| 22:44.12 | NivFreak | and when I stopped trying to tank her |
| 22:44.16 | NivFreak | she ran to the ranged group |
| 22:44.19 | NeoTron | aran will do it when all spell schools are interrupted. that's why you leave arcane alone |
| 22:44.35 | Grum | 'ran to group' happens if she gets interrupted at the wrong moment |
| 22:44.40 | Grum | she gets stuck into melee mode |
| 22:44.49 | NeoTron | Grum: and she has normal threat |
| 22:44.51 | HIghoS | You can't interrupt solarian. |
| 22:44.56 | NivFreak | yea, you can't interrupt her |
| 22:44.57 | NivFreak | I tried |
| 22:44.59 | HIghoS | She has normal threat, just have a tank chain taunt. |
| 22:44.59 | NeoTron | she just sometimes melee's |
| 22:45.03 | HIghoS | ^ |
| 22:45.08 | NivFreak | it's not a melee though |
| 22:45.11 | NivFreak | wtf was it called |
| 22:45.14 | NivFreak | let me look at my logs |
| 22:45.20 | NeoTron | she does melee |
| 22:45.31 | NeoTron | but sometimes she just runs to someone intending to melee and then keep casting her spell |
| 22:45.32 | Grum | lets just say that she should normally never do anything other than bolts on random targets |
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| 22:45.59 | NeoTron | let's just say it's a bit weird and buggy but that there is a normal threat table if she stops casting |
| 22:46.10 | NeoTron | why she stops casting and starts to melee, I have no idea, since you can't interrupt her spell |
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| 22:47.09 | NivFreak | High Astromancer Solarian's Blinding Light hits Nivwar for 1938 Arcane damage |
| 22:47.15 | NivFreak | 22:39'50.425High Astromancer Solarian's Melee hits Nivwar for 2265 (792 blocked) |
| 22:47.33 | NivFreak | so there is a bit of tank dmg |
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| 22:47.41 | NivFreak | but it's so little I have to run a really tight threat cycle |
| 22:47.45 | Grum | melee shouldnt ever happen tbh |
| 22:47.49 | Diao | her melee damage is reduced by arcane resist |
| 22:47.52 | NivFreak | and she can crush |
| 22:48.00 | NivFreak | so it's not arcane/melee |
| 22:48.09 | NivFreak | 22:42'22.929High Astromancer Solarian's Melee hits Nivwar for 4692 (crushing) |
| 22:49.08 | NivFreak | oh wait, is blinding light her moonfire? |
| 22:49.35 | Diao | yea |
| 22:49.43 | NivFreak | or is that "Light of the astromancer" |
| 22:49.46 | NivFreak | hrmmm |
| 22:50.14 | NivFreak | yea, blinding light |
| 22:50.14 | NivFreak | k |
| 22:52.47 | Gnarfoz | <NeoTron> aran will do it when all spell schools are interrupted. that's why you leave arcane alone <-- you leave arcane alone because arcane missiles spend their mana on cast begin, unlike his fire and ice spells - thus, any interrupt would be wasted |
| 22:53.25 | NivFreak | that, and it's easier to heal through |
| 22:53.28 | NivFreak | since it's less bursty |
| 22:53.54 | EvilJohn- | he only melees if all schools of magic are locked |
| 22:54.04 | NivFreak | yep |
| 22:54.10 | NivFreak | and melees farily hard iirc |
| 22:54.15 | NivFreak | at least on cloth :) |
| 22:54.30 | EvilJohn- | it's not terrible, compared to what a boss usually hits for |
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| 22:55.17 | NivFreak | sure |
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| 22:55.47 | NivFreak | so can you still taunt the arcane missles on solarian post nerf? |
| 22:56.24 | NivFreak | I'm guessing no |
| 22:56.48 | Gnarfoz | don't think so |
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| 23:07.00 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: that is one reason. the other reason is that you don't want to interrupt all schools |
| 23:07.29 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: I'd say that not wanting him to melee is the primary reason in fact since it can cause a lot of issues. |
| 23:07.56 | NeoTron | and it's not so much that he melee's hard but that he moves |
| 23:08.03 | Gnarfoz | never heard or read of it before, anyway, but his melee didn't hurt me terribly as a rogue, also because the school lockouts don't hold on forever |
| 23:08.11 | NeoTron | which can cause CS'd magic dps/healers |
| 23:08.20 | Gnarfoz | he's also moving on his own sometimes, for us |
| 23:08.33 | Gnarfoz | just moves and starts casting from another position oO |
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| 23:08.49 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's exactly what I said: wants to melee someone far away, moves, lockout is over, casts again |
| 23:09.06 | break19 | woops.. thats what happens when ya forget a bill |
| 23:09.23 | Gnarfoz | still, we just got our first Teron kill after just 3 tries, so I'm not too terribly bothered by Aran now :D |
| 23:10.07 | doc^bla | did council/illidan with 22 today :> |
| 23:10.34 | sacarasc | cheat! |
| 23:10.45 | doc^bla | and a glaive dropped |
| 23:11.10 | Gnarfoz | (what realm are you on, doc ^^) |
| 23:11.22 | doc^bla | gorgonnash |
| 23:11.51 | Gnarfoz | k, still wondering when I'll come across someone from my realm in here ;> |
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| 23:12.24 | CIA-9 | BetterQuestLog: |
| 23:12.24 | CIA-9 | -Option to show the description text if a quest has no objectives |
| 23:12.24 | CIA-9 | -Option to hide completed objectives |
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| 23:33.05 | Stanzilla | We’ve decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in the most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change from what we’ve posted previously. |
| 23:33.10 | Stanzilla | ZOMFG YES! |
| 23:34.00 | voidwalker | is prospecting a profession or do you get it from some profession? |
| 23:34.25 | HIghoS | from JC, afaik |
| 23:35.10 | ulic | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.26 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: zomg end of the world |
| 23:36.43 | Ellipsis | Stanzilla: is it april 1st already? |
| 23:38.28 | Stanzilla | nah lol |
| 23:38.40 | Stanzilla | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx |
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| 23:42.50 | NightHawkTheSane | translation: A bunch of people finally told us to our face that we were being raving idiots... |
| 23:51.19 | Civrock | [2008/03/03 18:50:36-1082-x3]: <string>:"CombatConfigSettings:OnEvent":2: attempt to call global 'Blizard_CombatLog_Update_QuickButtons' (a nil value) |
| 23:51.28 | Civrock | What's that about? |
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| 23:51.38 | Civrock | On PTR btw. |
| 23:52.11 | Ellipsis | blizz typo |
| 23:53.28 | Bifuu | Blizzard cant spell Blizzard? |
| 23:53.34 | Bifuu | who knew |
| 23:54.49 | Civrock | It's creating all kinds of errors. |
| 23:56.01 | CIA-9 | 03pastamancer * r63494 10Grid/GridLocale-frFR.lua: Grid: frFR update. |
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| 23:57.31 | NivFreak | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-pews-pewing.jpg |
| 23:57.47 | Bifuu | So does anyone here use the Addon Studio and can voice any opinions if its any easier/better than straight text coding? |
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