| 00:00.34 | CIA-9 | 03piranther * r63702 10PiraPlex/ (PiraPlex.lua PiraPlex.xml): PiraPlex :- |
| 00:00.47 | Dashkal | nifty. Kalgan just let slip one of the metrics they use when balancing classes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103773379&postId=51032556993&sid=1#74 |
| 00:01.12 | RagnarKon|AFK | How do you do a for loop in Lua again? can't seem to get my mind off of c++ -_- |
| 00:01.23 | RagnarKon|AFK | feel dumb |
| 00:01.51 | Dashkal | Had to look it up myself: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.4.5 |
| 00:02.00 | FrodoBR | u don't feel u'r |
| 00:02.02 | FrodoBR | jk |
| 00:02.03 | FrodoBR | :p |
| 00:02.17 | FrodoBR | Dev C++ ftw |
| 00:02.18 | FrodoBR | : p |
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| 00:02.26 | FrodoBR | eSafe7.0.15.02008.02.28Suspicious Archive Structure |
| 00:02.29 | FrodoBR | wtf is that :( |
| 00:02.30 | sica | hm, I haven't had the chance to test Threat-2.0 (always missed the character copy times in Europe), will it track threat for units with the same name via "GUID"? |
| 00:02.33 | FrodoBR | chiper ? :( |
| 00:02.38 | Antiarc | sica: Yes |
| 00:03.17 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r63703 10cgProfiler/profile/profile.lua: cgProfiler - after leveling up, wait 10 seconds before updating the data. |
| 00:03.26 | chiper | crap, I've picked up a parasite |
| 00:03.35 | FrodoBR | o0 |
| 00:03.38 | FrodoBR | which one? |
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| 00:08.14 | Zhinjio | ... |
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| 00:09.53 | FrodoBR | it's me or everybody is stucking at "Autenticating" ? |
| 00:09.53 | FrodoBR | =p |
| 00:10.00 | RagnarKon|AFK | I am |
| 00:10.02 | RagnarKon|AFK | Suck |
| 00:10.02 | FrodoBR | "Authenticating"* |
| 00:10.07 | RagnarKon|AFK | At "Authentication" |
| 00:10.10 | RagnarKon|AFK | err |
| 00:10.12 | RagnarKon|AFK | whatever it is |
| 00:10.20 | FrodoBR | ya me too, blizz = group of gays organized to fuck your day |
| 00:10.20 | FrodoBR | \o\ |
| 00:10.48 | RagnarKon|AFK | :( LEMME IN! |
| 00:10.56 | Diao | o_O? |
| 00:10.56 | FrodoBR | me too o/ |
| 00:10.58 | Diao | i'm logged in |
| 00:11.01 | RagnarKon|AFK | you hack |
| 00:11.03 | FrodoBR | cause u'r gay too |
| 00:11.03 | FrodoBR | :/ |
| 00:11.13 | Wobin | "group of gays organized to fuck your day"? |
| 00:11.22 | FrodoBR | ya why? :( |
| 00:11.23 | RagnarKon|AFK | yeah I dunno, hes kinda strange |
| 00:11.23 | Wobin | I know some people who'd love to have that service available. |
| 00:11.24 | FrodoBR | isn't? |
| 00:11.26 | chiper | cant. handle. the. children..... |
| 00:11.37 | elusif | originally my rogues two swords were the follow: 'thrash blade' - 66-124 dmg / 35.2 dps / speed 2.70 / chance on hit: grants an extra attack on next swing ********* 'protector's sword' 66-124 dmg / 35.2 dps / speed 2.70 +11 strenght +5 stamina (both swords can be used in either hand) ***** should i replace thrashblade with 'blade of the wretched' 52 - 98 dmg / 35.7 dps / speed 2.10 / chance on hit: corrupts the target causing 90 shadow damage / + 16 ap |
| 00:11.40 | FrodoBR | Wobin do not look at me >.> |
| 00:11.43 | elusif | if this wouldn't mean i had a quicker weapon in the main hand than the slow hand i wouldn't need to ask. please help |
| 00:11.52 | durcyn | elusif: wrong channel, stop spamming. |
| 00:12.07 | Diao | it's not that big of a deal if you're jsut leveling |
| 00:12.08 | elusif | :( |
| 00:12.12 | Diao | just use whatever is the highest dps |
| 00:12.14 | chiper | elusif: we heard you the first time. |
| 00:12.14 | elusif | no i pvp |
| 00:12.15 | Wobin | hehe it's true |
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| 00:12.20 | Wobin | are you twinking? |
| 00:12.30 | elusif | yeah chiper, jesus there could be someone on who knows the answer |
| 00:12.36 | elusif | no i'm level 51 |
| 00:12.37 | FrodoBR | jesus love you |
| 00:12.40 | FrodoBR | it's what u need |
| 00:12.42 | FrodoBR | for win in pvp |
| 00:12.43 | elusif | i'll get a pair of mace for level 59 |
| 00:12.45 | Wobin | Then don't worry til you hit 59 =) |
| 00:12.48 | FrodoBR | go ahead little apple |
| 00:12.51 | elusif | lol |
| 00:12.51 | FrodoBR | and kill everyone |
| 00:12.54 | FrodoBR | in your way |
| 00:12.54 | FrodoBR | x/ |
| 00:12.57 | FrodoBR | :p |
| 00:13.02 | elusif | it's a pvp realm so there's lots of it |
| 00:13.11 | Wobin | Just remember to grind out as much honour at 59 before you ding 60 |
| 00:13.11 | FrodoBR | loves* |
| 00:13.19 | elusif | so higher dps > damage range + speed? |
| 00:13.27 | FrodoBR | ya |
| 00:13.32 | Wobin | > damage range or > speed |
| 00:13.33 | elusif | i have more lifetime kills than most of the 70s i inspect on my realm :) |
| 00:13.48 | Primer | since we're on the topic of rogues, help me choose enchants and weapons for my level 19 twink! |
| 00:13.50 | FrodoBR | what are u doing with a knife with 0.9 AS, and 10-12 damage? o.o |
| 00:13.54 | Primer | I already have assassin's blade |
| 00:13.54 | elusif | ty guys |
| 00:14.03 | FrodoBR | kill cows?! |
| 00:14.11 | chexsum_ | thrash blade proc is godly dont get rid of it |
| 00:14.18 | elusif | proc |
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| 00:14.25 | elusif | procreate |
| 00:14.28 | CIA-9 | 03lilsparky 07lilsparky * r63704 10Skillet/ (10 files in 3 dirs): |
| 00:14.28 | CIA-9 | skillet/lilsparky: |
| 00:14.28 | CIA-9 | - largely working and ready for alpha |
| 00:14.28 | CIA-9 | - lots of loose ends and a very greedy data gathering/storage system |
| 00:14.30 | Wobin | does it tie in with sword spec? |
| 00:14.32 | elusif | amoutn of times it swings? |
| 00:14.39 | FrodoBR | Anyone who whatch "House M.D" here? :) |
| 00:14.43 | Wobin | or proc off swordspec |
| 00:14.47 | chexsum_ | theres a mainhand that looks like its pair and has nice high dmg too |
| 00:14.49 | Wobin | FrodoBR: yeah |
| 00:14.56 | FrodoBR | Wobin wooooo it's awesome =) |
| 00:14.59 | FrodoBR | isn't it? |
| 00:15.02 | Primer | I also have Thief's Blade, Cruel Barb, and am hoping to get Shadowfang |
| 00:15.05 | Wobin | Hugh Laurie is fantastic |
| 00:15.08 | FrodoBR | ya |
| 00:15.12 | FrodoBR | he is |
| 00:15.13 | FrodoBR | =) |
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| 00:15.19 | elusif | chexsum: please explain why you think it's better |
| 00:15.19 | FrodoBR | where are u from Wobin ? |
| 00:15.23 | Wobin | Oz |
| 00:15.24 | chiper | I wish I had House's wit |
| 00:15.38 | chexsum_ | dual assasins blade with crusader ftw |
| 00:15.48 | chexsum_ | it procs a lot |
| 00:15.56 | elusif | proc is amount of times it hits? |
| 00:15.57 | FrodoBR | wtf is a "wit"? |
| 00:16.05 | Primer | chexsum_: heh |
| 00:16.08 | elusif | but it's slower than the wretched blade |
| 00:16.12 | chexsum_ | the amount of times you get the buff |
| 00:16.19 | chexsum_ | its something like 8% |
| 00:16.19 | Wobin | proc is when the 'chance on use' effect fires off |
| 00:16.21 | CIA-9 | 03piranther * r63705 10PiraPlex/ (PiraPlex.lua PiraPlex.xml): PiraPlex :- REVERT changes from my previous push (r63702). It was accidental. Those changes will be coming in soon, with descriptions. (Whoops!) |
| 00:16.26 | elusif | k |
| 00:16.34 | elusif | how do you know the proc rate? |
| 00:16.39 | Wobin | wowhead |
| 00:16.40 | elusif | i mean if it's not the speed? |
| 00:16.41 | chiper | what is proc short for? |
| 00:16.42 | FrodoBR | Wobin where are u from? |
| 00:16.47 | elusif | procreate? |
| 00:16.48 | Wobin | FrodoBR: Oz |
| 00:16.48 | elusif | lol |
| 00:16.50 | elusif | i don't know :) |
| 00:16.51 | FrodoBR | oz? o.o |
| 00:16.53 | FrodoBR | whats OZ? |
| 00:16.53 | Wobin | process |
| 00:16.57 | elusif | processs |
| 00:16.58 | Wobin | Australia |
| 00:17.02 | elusif | right so how many times it swings |
| 00:17.07 | Wobin | er no |
| 00:17.11 | FrodoBR | sorry i'm from Brazil idk the states by sigles of all the world =p |
| 00:17.14 | Wobin | that's weapon speed |
| 00:17.16 | chiper | really? that's a lot more boring than I expected |
| 00:17.19 | elusif | chacne on hit is affected by - speed? |
| 00:17.25 | Diao | lol |
| 00:17.26 | Diao | FrodoBR |
| 00:17.27 | elusif | like 1 chance = 1 hit? |
| 00:17.31 | Diao | australia isn't a state >.> |
| 00:17.35 | FrodoBR | Diao ? xD |
| 00:17.35 | elusif | sorry |
| 00:17.37 | elusif | i mean... |
| 00:17.38 | FrodoBR | OZ |
| 00:17.41 | FrodoBR | isn't a state? |
| 00:17.42 | Wobin | chance on hit -is- affected by speed if only that if you hit more, you have more chance of the proc occurring |
| 00:17.44 | Diao | it's a country |
| 00:17.46 | Diao | lol |
| 00:17.48 | Diao | not part of the US |
| 00:17.52 | FrodoBR | isn't OZ a state? |
| 00:17.53 | Primer | I already have 151 agility on this toon |
| 00:17.53 | FrodoBR | oh |
| 00:17.55 | FrodoBR | o0 |
| 00:18.01 | chiper | wobin: unless there's a cooldown on the proc :( |
| 00:18.06 | elusif | ya so you would have more chance of the proc occuring the more you hit |
| 00:18.14 | elusif | but you're saying the actual proc rate is higher |
| 00:18.17 | elusif | k i'll look it up |
| 00:18.17 | Wobin | most procs have an internal cooldown |
| 00:18.32 | Wobin | once they fire off, it takes a while before they will have a chance to fire off again |
| 00:18.35 | elusif | ty |
| 00:18.36 | FrodoBR | here when we have 2 lyrics it mean it's a state =p |
| 00:18.37 | FrodoBR | like |
| 00:18.42 | Primer | and I have yet to enchant the cloak, both weapons, and feet |
| 00:18.42 | FrodoBR | New York - NY |
| 00:18.46 | FrodoBR | :p |
| 00:18.58 | RagnarKon|AFK | And now... stuck at Connecting |
| 00:19.00 | chiper | thankfully flametongue doesnt seem to have one |
| 00:19.09 | CIA-9 | 03pericles * r63706 10InventoryOnPar/ (localization.lua todo.txt): |
| 00:19.09 | CIA-9 | InventoryOnPar: |
| 00:19.09 | CIA-9 | - |
| 00:19.09 | CIA-9 | Updated DE localization thanks to Singler for the info. |
| 00:19.09 | CIA-9 | Updated todo file |
| 00:19.14 | chiper | I tear shit up on my shammy with dual daggers |
| 00:19.20 | FrodoBR | i thought OZ like a state, sorry =p |
| 00:19.27 | Primer | I've seen so many combinations of +12 dodge to cloak or +3 agility to cloak, on all the different twinks I've armory'd |
| 00:20.17 | Primer | this one rogue twinking guide is suggesting minor run speed to boots |
| 00:20.38 | Primer | but I think +7 stam would be better |
| 00:20.39 | Primer | thoughts? |
| 00:20.47 | Thorgard | What level twink? |
| 00:20.50 | Dashkal | Being able to run down the FC might be hot |
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| 00:20.50 | Primer | 19 |
| 00:20.58 | FrodoBR | 39 |
| 00:21.01 | FrodoBR | u can use all the |
| 00:21.03 | FrodoBR | enchants |
| 00:21.05 | FrodoBR | in the game |
| 00:21.05 | FrodoBR | =] |
| 00:21.17 | Primer | but I'm way more OP at 19 |
| 00:21.18 | FrodoBR | so u can became more powerfull than Jesus |
| 00:21.25 | Wobin | double mongoose is tasty |
| 00:21.26 | Wobin | for pve |
| 00:21.29 | FrodoBR | primer i'm not sure |
| 00:22.05 | Primer | can also get +7 agility to boots |
| 00:22.22 | FrodoBR | man if U'r a rogue |
| 00:22.26 | FrodoBR | and want twink on 19 |
| 00:22.36 | FrodoBR | put every agi enchant |
| 00:22.45 | FrodoBR | and u'r done |
| 00:22.45 | FrodoBR | o0 |
| 00:22.46 | Chompers | holy multi line text batman |
| 00:22.58 | FrodoBR | sorry my enter press by itself |
| 00:23.01 | Diao | o_o |
| 00:23.07 | Diao | your enter key is haunted? :P |
| 00:23.11 | FrodoBR | it have life =] |
| 00:23.14 | FrodoBR | well.....he |
| 00:23.20 | Thorgard | Primer, 12 dodge rating is a lot of % at 19, isn't it? |
| 00:23.28 | FrodoBR | yes Diao XD |
| 00:23.29 | Wobin | You should use nethercobra =P |
| 00:23.35 | Wobin | on a pair of cloth pants |
| 00:23.43 | Wobin | (greys) |
| 00:23.43 | Diao | haha |
| 00:23.48 | FrodoBR | Chompers PEDE PRA SAIR |
| 00:23.48 | Primer | Thorgard: seems that most people have that enchant |
| 00:23.54 | Primer | FrodoBR: que? |
| 00:24.02 | FrodoBR | pede pra sair |
| 00:24.03 | FrodoBR | fanfarrão x/ |
| 00:24.07 | Primer | quem? |
| 00:24.10 | FrodoBR | jesus! |
| 00:24.13 | Primer | sua mãe? |
| 00:24.14 | FrodoBR | o Chompers po |
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| 00:24.27 | Primer | <-- Fluent in pt_BR |
| 00:24.40 | FrodoBR | <---- Nothing more than himself |
| 00:25.23 | FrodoBR | Brazilian Portuguese |
| 00:25.30 | Gagorian- | Arrowmaster: It's true that with the current implementation of the DrDamage text frame, it offers no real advantages over just using the AB frame.. I used to use that earlier to my advantage so I could set the points of the frame arbitrarily and such, and I left it in if I decided I need any of the features that was harder to do if the text was fixed to the original AB frame. |
| 00:25.32 | FrodoBR | Primer eh ridiculo ficar falando da mae dos outros |
| 00:25.38 | FrodoBR | eh coisa de quem nao tem mais argumento |
| 00:25.41 | FrodoBR | coisa de gente burra |
| 00:26.03 | FrodoBR | não sei quanto a vocês mas aqui a gente preserva nossas mães |
| 00:26.29 | Primer | é piada |
| 00:26.34 | Primer | fica tranquilo |
| 00:26.44 | chiper | I'm guessing Portuguese |
| 00:27.38 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: meh was just using it as an example for somebody but its fine anyway, i just thought it was weird that you were doing CreateFrame() a bunch of times with the same name and was wondering what exactly that did since i thought using CreateFrame and specifing a frame name put the frame in _G as _G[name] |
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| 00:27.48 | Dashkal | Anybody know the proper term for the family of languages that Spanish and Portuguese falls under? |
| 00:28.00 | RagnarKon|AFK | Arrowmaster: that someone would be me |
| 00:28.03 | Primer | Latin |
| 00:28.07 | chiper | Dashkal: latin |
| 00:28.16 | Diao | romance languages |
| 00:28.17 | Dashkal | Drat, was hoping there was something more specific. Oh well |
| 00:28.24 | Diao | derived from latin |
| 00:28.45 | Gagorian- | Arrowmaster: Yeah that would work if I didn't need to access the parent frames anyway :p |
| 00:28.48 | Dashkal | So is english, but english took every branch from latin, gassed them, and took bits and pieces from each |
| 00:28.51 | godspeedthoreau | West Iberian |
| 00:28.55 | Diao | actually |
| 00:28.56 | chiper | arent there only, like, four or five categories of language? |
| 00:29.01 | FrodoBR | Primer mais tranquilo que isso eu gozo =p |
| 00:29.02 | Diao | english is a german derivative |
| 00:29.13 | Diao | just that there are many borrowed words from latin based languages |
| 00:29.19 | FrodoBR | english is derivative from Jesus |
| 00:29.24 | FrodoBR | everything is |
| 00:29.25 | Gagorian- | Arrowmaster: And when I go through the parents now, it just complicates things to have a name a separate name for each frame |
| 00:29.26 | Primer | FrodoBR: hehe |
| 00:29.27 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: so does _G[name] point to the last frame you created? |
| 00:29.32 | Dashkal | English is just vile |
| 00:29.35 | FrodoBR | Primer xDD |
| 00:29.38 | RagnarKon|AFK | Gagorian-: So you created another frame on top of the default AB frame so you could better handle how the text was displayed |
| 00:29.40 | FrodoBR | Dashkal ya |
| 00:29.44 | FrodoBR | u'r right |
| 00:29.52 | Primer | So are not all large <anything> shards breakable into 3 small <anything> shards? |
| 00:29.57 | Primer | and vice versa? |
| 00:30.00 | Gagorian- | Arrowmaster: First instance of it I think |
| 00:30.10 | Gagorian- | So that'd be button one text frame |
| 00:30.18 | FrodoBR | Who play on gurubashi here? =) |
| 00:30.29 | Primer | for example, I need and enchant that requires 3 small prismatics |
| 00:30.35 | Primer | FrodoBR: I will be soon |
| 00:30.40 | Gagorian- | RagnarKon|AFK: That was the implementation I used then, but I don't use that advantage any more really |
| 00:30.40 | Primer | to get the trinket for my rogue |
| 00:30.51 | Gagorian- | RagnarKon|AFK: Cause I set the points to the parent frame now anyway |
| 00:31.08 | Diao | primer |
| 00:31.12 | Diao | only prismatics can be broken |
| 00:31.21 | Diao | no other shards can be disassembled |
| 00:31.24 | Diao | or assembled |
| 00:31.25 | Arrowmaster | RagnarKon|AFK: a way to do it without the extra frame could be 'mytable[button] = button:CreateFontString()' since you dont really need the extra frame i dont think |
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| 00:31.39 | Primer | Diao: ok, so in this case I'm good |
| 00:31.40 | Primer | thanks |
| 00:31.45 | Diao | yep just find an enchanter who can do it |
| 00:31.49 | Diao | which is basically everyone |
| 00:32.00 | Primer | damn, since when did the price of primal earth go up? |
| 00:32.12 | Diao | you mean it's not free? |
| 00:32.18 | RagnarKon|AFK | Gagorian-: Gotcha, I was trying to add text to an action button and the only mod I could think of that does that is yours, but I got confused with the frame thing. |
| 00:32.22 | Primer | +12 dodge to cloak == 3 small prismatics, 3 GPE, and 8 primal earth |
| 00:32.33 | Primer | I recall never AH'ing primal earth, because it was practically worthless |
| 00:32.44 | Primer | now people are selling it for 60g a stack on my realm |
| 00:32.44 | Gagorian- | RagnarKon|AFK: Yeah, well I used to use frame adjustment in relation to the parent and such |
| 00:32.48 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: you working on the move to spellids yet? |
| 00:32.49 | Diao | that's what i meant |
| 00:32.52 | Diao | it's basically worthless lol |
| 00:33.06 | kergoth | i usually pick up primal earths for 4-5g, iirc |
| 00:33.15 | Primer | a piece? |
| 00:33.25 | kergoth | aye |
| 00:33.27 | Diao | i've got like 6 stacks in the bank |
| 00:33.28 | Diao | o_o |
| 00:33.30 | Diao | from mining and such |
| 00:33.45 | kergoth | course that was back when i actually bought them cause i had no miner |
| 00:33.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:34.01 | Primer | I still get it from mining, but I send them all to my alchemist to transmute to primal life and water |
| 00:34.08 | Gagorian- | Arrowmaster: Nope! Been kinda busy with a few exams lately. But it's interesting at least, I'm not sure though it's worth switching over |
| 00:34.20 | kergoth | i like usin em to transmute to earthstorms |
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| 00:34.39 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: GetTalentLink(), its worth it |
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| 00:35.20 | Gagorian- | Arrowmaster: Brief me on that, will you? :D |
| 00:35.26 | RagnarKon|AFK | Gagorian-: So does CreateFontString() creates a font string where now? |
| 00:35.41 | RagnarKon|AFK | child of the frame or what |
| 00:36.27 | Gagorian- | Nah, it's an object in the frame which is basically just a table |
| 00:36.39 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: i think the input is the same as the function for getting the number of points you have in a talent, but gives you the spellid for it, so no more retarded localization issues |
| 00:37.51 | FrodoBR | bah |
| 00:37.59 | Gagorian- | Hmmmm, but I use the names for all data structures/talent bonuses and such |
| 00:37.59 | FrodoBR | how can I add time in this program? |
| 00:38.07 | FrodoBR | before the message |
| 00:38.07 | FrodoBR | :/ |
| 00:38.08 | chiper | mmm, post on io9 about how Sci-Fi channel has turned to suck |
| 00:38.17 | Gagorian- | So either I'd need to change that, or get names from the spellID |
| 00:38.18 | Gagorian- | :p |
| 00:38.24 | chiper | linking to a thread on the sci-fi channel forums about the same |
| 00:38.28 | kergoth | i dont remember the last time i watched the sci fi channel |
| 00:38.36 | kergoth | wait, yes, i do, it was a run of firefly or something |
| 00:39.05 | chiper | I used to turn to scifi first thing when I turned on the TV. these days i only hit it while surfing |
| 00:39.21 | chiper | I blame NBC Universal |
| 00:39.32 | kergoth | the amount of shitty ass scifi original movies seems to have gone up, lately |
| 00:39.36 | chiper | they turned it into a broadcast station |
| 00:39.55 | chiper | yeah, that's another thing, scifi used to actually make good original movies |
| 00:40.09 | chiper | now they're just low budget alternatives to real movies |
| 00:40.12 | Gagorian- | Arrowmaster: Is there a site with the new API explained? |
| 00:40.31 | Gagorian- | Didn't seem to be on the forums |
| 00:40.36 | Arrowmaster | theres stuff on the wowace forums |
| 00:41.01 | FrodoBR | chiper I blame Jesus |
| 00:41.54 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian-: although some of the api for spellids seems incomplete, i dont think theres a way to get spellids for buffs/debuffs yet besides when they show up in the combatlog |
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| 00:44.25 | Gagorian- | Arrowmaster: Hmm, yeah. |
| 00:44.40 | Gagorian- | Also need to find out what exactly this spellLink thing is |
| 00:45.13 | Arrowmaster | its a chatlink |
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| 00:45.48 | Arrowmaster | that you can pull the spellid from |
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| 00:47.48 | Gagorian- | Hmm PTR patch 'download not authorized' |
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| 00:47.55 | Gagorian- | Well I guess I'm not going to test it then! |
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| 00:49.59 | Gagorian | Hmm, it seems should be able to get manacosts and such from the spellId or link. Seems sweet, can elimiate almost all tooltip scans :p |
| 00:50.54 | Gagorian | also spell base range, but it's annoying since it's modified by some talents and some don't |
| 00:51.33 | Gagorian | So I'd have to figure out which apply so I could possibly use those |
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| 00:52.28 | Th3Unkn0wn | is there any way to write two different /rw messages depending on whether the macro was left or right clicked? |
| 00:52.50 | MentalPower | yes, but the logic won't fit in a macro |
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| 00:54.18 | NeoTron | I want me some brilliant glass please - http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/brilliantglass.jpg |
| 00:54.32 | CIA-9 | 03arrowmaster * r63707 10LibFuBarPlugin-3.0/LibFuBarPlugin-3.0.lua: LibFuBarPlugin-3.0: fix MINOR_VERSION to stop going negative |
| 00:55.46 | Gnarfoz | it's spelled brillant >_> |
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| 00:57.09 | NeoTron | details |
| 00:57.12 | NeoTron | I wodner what it is howeve |
| 00:57.27 | NeoTron | making green gems useful => priceless |
| 00:57.37 | NeoTron | right now I make rings from all but two of them, whcih I vendor |
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| 00:59.57 | NeoTron | nice to see they finally decided to give us warlock the buff we needed: http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=47248 |
| 01:01.53 | Dashkal | I've missed something... How are green gems not useless, and does anybody know what brilliant glass actually is? |
| 01:02.33 | NeoTron | one likely idea is that it's a container that gives you a blue gem |
| 01:02.56 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.10 | cogumel0 | like... I know we kinda had an argument close to this before... |
| 01:03.11 | Dashkal | if that's the case I'm going to be really happy I've been keeping my gem stacks |
| 01:03.21 | cogumel0 | but what's the max map coordinate in wow? |
| 01:03.32 | cogumel0 | is it 100 or 99.(9) rounded to 100? |
| 01:03.42 | Cryect | 100 |
| 01:03.49 | Cryect | actually 1 |
| 01:03.51 | Cryect | there is no 100 |
| 01:03.52 | cogumel0 | well yeah |
| 01:04.09 | Cryect | what difference though does it really matter? |
| 01:04.17 | NeoTron | I've disenchanted most my green gemsby making rings |
| 01:04.31 | NeoTron | but I'll keep them all going forward at least until I know what that thing is |
| 01:04.36 | cogumel0 | well... not much, but was just curious and wanted to be thorough :P |
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| 01:06.27 | CIA-9 | 03phyber * r63708 10Fizzle/ (Fizzle.toc Inspect.lua Libs/): |
| 01:06.27 | CIA-9 | Fizzle: |
| 01:06.27 | CIA-9 | - Got rid of the Deformat-2.0 dependency. |
| 01:10.15 | Nandini | any one know of a windows util that will let me change my keyboard layout (swapping numlock with scroll lock, specifically) |
| 01:11.16 | CIA-9 | 03ackis * r63709 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Vendor.lua: |
| 01:11.16 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 01:11.16 | CIA-9 | - Forgot to add vendor file |
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| 01:14.48 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: could you change cartographer so the player arrow is always on top of all other icons please? (or add an option for this) |
| 01:14.58 | ckknight | no u |
| 01:15.05 | ckknight | or make a jira ticket |
| 01:15.11 | sag_ich_nicht | meh, fine |
| 01:16.41 | sag_ich_nicht | http://jira.wowace.com/browse/CART-417 |
| 01:18.23 | Arrowmaster | carts up to 417 jira tickets? wow |
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| 01:20.25 | sag_ich_nicht | vhaarr / nevcairiel care to make BigWigs_ZombieFood less shitty? |
| 01:21.21 | sag_ich_nicht | also Funkeh` :P |
| 01:22.36 | Funkeh` | bug someone after 2.4 |
| 01:24.01 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: i'm just refering to it still using SpecialEventsEmbeds(and depending on GratuityLib when it doesn't have to and probably shouldn't too) |
| 01:24.11 | Funkeh` | yes |
| 01:24.17 | Funkeh` | the whole thing needs re-qritten |
| 01:24.25 | sag_ich_nicht | *sigh* |
| 01:24.27 | Funkeh` | Im not even going to consider touching it until 2.4 |
| 01:24.54 | Funkeh` | if it bugs you so much don't use it |
| 01:24.55 | NeoTron | So what is BigWigs_ZombieFood ? isn't that some Naxx thing? |
| 01:25.07 | Funkeh` | just a daze alerter |
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| 01:26.17 | sag_ich_nicht | NeoTron: it's what i use to annoy the shit out of our tanks |
| 01:26.17 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 01:26.51 | Funkeh` | what the fuck |
| 01:27.07 | sag_ich_nicht | ? |
| 01:27.09 | Funkeh` | why does wowhead need 10 different id's of Volatile Infection jesus |
| 01:27.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: probably because there are 10 different IDs ingame |
| 01:28.02 | Funkeh` | yes I guessed as much, Im generally venting frustration |
| 01:28.28 | sag_ich_nicht | don't blame wowhead then, blame blizz for coding shittily |
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| 01:33.33 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r63710 10cgProfiler/profile/profile.lua: cgProfiler - use UnitStat sanely instead of as previously done insanely. |
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| 01:38.33 | NeoTron | "Update : Looks like the Brilliant Glass contains one random blue gem !" FTW |
| 01:39.00 | NeoTron | I expect blue gem prices to drop but at the same time you get more from prospecting them |
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| 01:44.59 | Nandini | yay a simple registry setting has allowed me to remap the numlock and scroll lock keys |
| 01:45.12 | kergoth | to what? |
| 01:45.19 | Nandini | i swapped them with each other |
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| 01:50.18 | [Endeavour] | Are there any download statistics available for wowace? Like addon XY got downloaded XX times? |
| 01:50.53 | Ellipsis | no |
| 01:51.16 | [Endeavour] | thanks |
| 01:51.25 | RaydenUni | we got a holy and a prot pally dueling |
| 01:51.28 | RaydenUni | while we wait to do gruul's |
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| 01:54.18 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:44] <Nandini> yay a simple registry setting has allowed me to remap the numlock and scroll lock keys <--or you could have just used autohotkey |
| 01:54.23 | sag_ich_nicht | like any sane person would |
| 01:54.30 | xyu | woot, our first bear mount |
| 01:54.38 | xyu | and i roll a 6 |
| 01:54.49 | p3lim | i rolled 100 on the ZG tiger and lost |
| 01:54.54 | xyu | hah |
| 01:55.42 | p3lim | stupid reroll made me roll 4, other guy rolled 9 |
| 01:56.17 | Dashkal | re Brilliant Glass: is it a container or prospect fodder? |
| 01:57.56 | NeoTron | I believe it's a container |
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| 02:02.46 | Dashkal | woot, home time |
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| 02:06.24 | Nandini | i need more bindable keys, i can't use scroll lock as a keybind :/ |
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| 02:07.33 | Nandini | nor can i use the pause/break key, i thought i used to have that bound to something |
| 02:09.46 | Nandini | and it seems there is no list on wowwiki of key assignment names |
| 02:13.58 | CIA-9 | 03next96 * r63711 10GatherMate/Locales/GatherMate-koKR.lua: |
| 02:13.58 | CIA-9 | GatherMate: |
| 02:13.58 | CIA-9 | - Update locale koKR |
| 02:17.01 | Nandini | anyone have a keyboard with a euro char on it? if so, can you bind something to that key? |
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| 02:25.26 | Thorgard | Isn't the Euro char usually combination of more than one keystroke? I remember it was on my Swedish keyboard. Like ALT-E or something. |
| 02:26.06 | Gagorian | yes |
| 02:26.12 | sag_ich_nicht | altgr+E |
| 02:26.13 | Gagorian | alt gr and e |
| 02:26.14 | sag_ich_nicht | € |
| 02:26.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster: any way of having fubar_speedfu show yards/second? |
| 02:27.08 | Arrowmaster | since i dont know how the forumla was made no |
| 02:27.21 | sag_ich_nicht | damn |
| 02:27.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan tell Arrowmaster how, i know you know how it was made |
| 02:28.20 | Arrowmaster | and rophy got angry at me last time i tried to change speedfu |
| 02:28.31 | Arrowmaster | im just trying to sneak this one in |
| 02:29.09 | sag_ich_nicht | i just wanna calculate how much time it will take me with my current speed to traverse the route i have setup with Routes |
| 02:29.10 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 02:29.41 | Yssaril | ckknight: ping |
| 02:29.59 | ckknight | sorry, curse just pushed, fixing bugs |
| 02:30.09 | Yssaril | ckknight: anyway to detect if a Secureframes unit changed (i mean i have onething targeted and then target something else currently i am listening to the UNIT_TARGET event but that is lagging behind the actual switch) |
| 02:30.14 | CIA-9 | 03kagaro * r63712 10Violation/Violation.lua: Violation: added names to frames |
| 02:30.31 | Arrowmaster | Yssaril: PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED? |
| 02:31.33 | vhaarr | NeoTron: what was that earlier? |
| 02:31.37 | vhaarr | NeoTron: I didn't get any PM from you |
| 02:32.17 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: thanks let me see if thats any better |
| 02:36.00 | RaydenUni | does counterspell work on the maulgar priest? |
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| 02:36.19 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: thanks seams to work like a charm |
| 02:37.40 | NivFreak | GG WWS |
| 02:37.52 | NivFreak | 12 minute "priority" loading wait time |
| 02:42.31 | Megalon | RaydenUni: yes it does |
| 02:42.54 | Megalon | but i think like melee, only if shield is down |
| 02:45.18 | RaydenUni | grr |
| 02:45.23 | RaydenUni | every time i die i disconnect |
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| 02:49.52 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63713 10oRA2/Leader/Invite.lua: oRA2: Invite: Hopefully fixed rank based invites. |
| 02:52.04 | Arrowmaster | now weve got an enchance shaman with 2x syphons |
| 02:52.34 | Gngsk | All Senior Citizens should have Life Alert. |
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| 03:11.10 | Dashkal | Woot, lots of Ace3 updates (not that I've updated in forever) |
| 03:12.59 | Gngsk | does your game freeze for a sec when you close an aceconfig dropdown? |
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| 03:14.59 | kagaro | Gngsk: nope |
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| 03:15.34 | Diaulas | hi! |
| 03:17.45 | Gngsk | kagaro, k, might be addon specific then I suppose |
| 03:17.53 | kagaro | could be |
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| 03:22.35 | Dashkal | re ace3: Is the rock-like dialog config only available if ace3 is installed standalone rather than embedded? |
| 03:22.47 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:22.48 | Dashkal | (referring to the dropdown with ace3 addons) |
| 03:23.00 | Dashkal | does it instead require multiple ace3 mods to appear? |
| 03:23.00 | Arrowmaster | but the /ace3 command is only available with standalone |
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| 03:23.29 | WobWork | oh |
| 03:23.34 | Dashkal | I have only Nexus for ace3 right now. Trying to figure out why my dialog lokos different from the screenshots I've seen |
| 03:23.35 | WobWork | without the Ace3 standalone |
| 03:23.43 | WobWork | there isn't a 'all addon config' |
| 03:23.47 | Arrowmaster | 3 feral druids in raid, inc server crash |
| 03:24.46 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 03:24.49 | Arrowmaster | 5 druids 4 warriors |
| 03:24.58 | Arrowmaster | afk akama |
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| 03:26.17 | Dashkal | WobWork: *nods*. Fair enough. Though I was under the impression that ace3 was designed not to be installed standalone. Is that policy changing or is this feature being added to embedded or is this just a descrepancy in my mind and should be ignored? |
| 03:26.18 | kergoth | NeoTron: is there a howto on magicmarker anywhere? |
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| 03:28.53 | Dashkal | yep, there's the all-in-wonder I was looking for. Danke |
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| 03:30.27 | Arrowmaster | omg 6 druids in raid now |
| 03:30.41 | Arrowmaster | 3 feral 2 resto 1 oomkin |
| 03:30.46 | Cyrez | Nice. |
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| 03:31.07 | Arrowmaster | we have extra room since im the only warlock that showed up tonight |
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| 03:33.59 | RaydenUni | we're at gro 17 |
| 03:34.03 | RaydenUni | grow 17 |
| 03:34.04 | RaydenUni | on gruul |
| 03:34.41 | selckin | fail |
| 03:35.06 | RaydenUni | 18 |
| 03:35.07 | RaydenUni | lol |
| 03:35.13 | selckin | 24 healers 1 tank? |
| 03:35.16 | ScoTTie | o_0 |
| 03:36.18 | RaydenUni | apparently 20 grows |
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| 03:47.40 | Dashkal | ok, I'm not entirely clear on what AceBucket is for. Does it just cache events for bulk delivery? |
| 03:48.00 | kergoth | yea, so you dont get called too often for events taht fire a ton |
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| 03:48.37 | Antiarc | We're at 5 paladins tonight |
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| 03:49.34 | Cal-Boy | Excuse me, can someone help me with the PTR? |
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| 03:50.20 | Cal-Boy | I just need to know what the realmlist for WoWTest is |
| 03:50.31 | Cal-Boy | because it's Ticking me off =D |
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| 03:52.02 | Dashkal | set realmlist beta.kr.logon.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 03:52.03 | Dashkal | set decorateaccountname 1 |
| 03:52.37 | Dashkal | that's my realmlist.wtf. ymmv |
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| 04:02.10 | Dashkal | lua> a = "ã¯"; #a |
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| 04:02.40 | Dashkal | oh bleh, where'd the bot go? |
| 04:03.01 | lua_bot | Dashkal: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 04:03.20 | Obelixprime | wow |
| 04:03.21 | Dashkal | not dead, just slow |
| 04:04.35 | Dashkal | lua> #"ã¯" |
| 04:04.35 | lua_bot | Dashkal: 3 |
| 04:04.38 | Dashkal | there we go |
| 04:05.24 | Arrowmaster | lua doesnt support utf8 |
| 04:05.38 | Dashkal | but wow does so I need to see how it copes |
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| 04:06.27 | Dashkal | Otherwise someone writing a forum post in japanese may be in for strange results :p |
| 04:06.30 | RaydenUni | feign death isn't an aggro dump? |
| 04:06.31 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if the 255 character limit on SendChatMessage is utf8 |
| 04:06.42 | Dashkal | I thought that was an octet limit |
| 04:06.52 | NightHawkTheSane | RaydenUni: it is. |
| 04:06.52 | Dashkal | I was planning on treating it as such |
| 04:06.54 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it's a 255-byte limit |
| 04:06.58 | ckknight | I've tested it :-P |
| 04:07.06 | Arrowmaster | figured |
| 04:07.07 | Dashkal | ckknight: danke for the confirm |
| 04:07.27 | ckknight | lua has no support for any encoding |
| 04:07.32 | Dashkal | Does AceComm cope well with utf8 encoded strings? (I would assume it wouldn't even notice) |
| 04:07.43 | ckknight | yea, doesn't notice |
| 04:07.56 | Dashkal | perfect. not having to think about it is best |
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| 04:09.32 | RaydenUni | always fun when your guild leader tells you to fade so the tank can get aggro |
| 04:09.35 | Arrowmaster | lol server blew up |
| 04:09.45 | Dashkal | last question: does AceComm provide any overhead? The point of this question is I'm trying to predict if a message will need to be split up before I send it. I'm only going to broadcast a new forum post if it would post in a single message. Else I'll only broadcast that a new message is available and other players can request it |
| 04:09.54 | Arrowmaster | we said it would happen when the 6th druid got invited to BT |
| 04:09.55 | RaydenUni | Arrowmaster which server? |
| 04:10.02 | Arrowmaster | burning legion |
| 04:10.09 | RaydenUni | destromath appears to be crashing as well |
| 04:10.16 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: which acecomm? |
| 04:10.19 | Dashkal | 3 |
| 04:10.39 | Arrowmaster | not sure i havent looked at it yet |
| 04:10.52 | Dashkal | kk, I'll pipe up if I notice anything then :p |
| 04:10.57 | Yssaril | Dashkal: if the string your feeding it is too long it will automatically split it and send it and then recombine it at the end |
| 04:11.19 | Dashkal | Yssaril: That's fine, but I don't want to constantly clog up guild with large messages. I'd rather keep that to the WHISPER channel |
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| 04:11.46 | NimbleRabit | So I'm trying out this TourGuide addon |
| 04:11.55 | Dashkal | I'm trying to keep traffic on the primary board channel from overloading everybody |
| 04:11.57 | NimbleRabit | I think I've somewhat figured it out, but there's one thing I still don't get |
| 04:12.20 | Yssaril | i think it just uses the standard msg system so prefix + message have to be below 255 characters i think otherwise it will get split |
| 04:12.23 | NimbleRabit | I'm on the winterspring guide, and right now it has a zzz chat bubble next to "Everlook" there |
| 04:12.27 | NimbleRabit | no idea what it wants me to do |
| 04:12.41 | Dashkal | That's what I'm assuming. So Prefix+1+strlen(message) would be enough to predict |
| 04:12.42 | Arrowmaster | set hearth? |
| 04:12.50 | selckin | read the docs |
| 04:12.53 | NimbleRabit | Arrowmaster, oh thanks |
| 04:12.55 | Yssaril | Dashkal: id assume so |
| 04:13.10 | NimbleRabit | selckin, sorry thought this would be faster |
| 04:13.23 | Yssaril | you can always watch your outgoing addon messages and keep feeding it bigger things till it starts to split :) |
| 04:13.56 | Dashkal | NimbleRabit: There's a good legend of icons here: http://www.tekkub.net/addons/TourGuide |
| 04:14.42 | Dashkal | Yssaril: Context here is a forum post. Could easily get to 1k or more if someone writes an essay. They can post it, but I'd rather use WHISPER for that than GUILD so I don't clog up the main channel |
| 04:14.45 | NimbleRabit | it's a ery interesting addon |
| 04:14.48 | NimbleRabit | very* |
| 04:14.49 | kenlyric | wow |
| 04:14.58 | kenlyric | that icon it uses is exactly like the resting icon |
| 04:15.02 | Diao | what kind of |
| 04:15.04 | Diao | addon is this? |
| 04:15.11 | kenlyric | I thought it was way more obvious than the boat icon :) |
| 04:15.24 | Dashkal | Diao: Nexus? |
| 04:15.37 | Yssaril | Dashkal: so basically you send the forum topics and then you can view the thread if the person is online? |
| 04:15.39 | Diao | never heard of it :O |
| 04:15.47 | Diao | it's a forum addon for wow? o_o |
| 04:15.47 | NimbleRabit | kenlyric, wasn't obvious to me at all lol |
| 04:15.49 | Dashkal | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Nexus |
| 04:15.52 | Dashkal | That's the plan |
| 04:16.02 | Dashkal | It's a bit more than that, but that'll be the first frontend coded |
| 04:16.02 | NimbleRabit | kenlyric, who has icons turned on anyways? All that junk is off for me with pitbull, so I didn't even realize |
| 04:16.28 | Diao | sounds interesting |
| 04:16.30 | kenlyric | me, so I can tell when I"m resting in that goddamn inn in the blood elf starting zone |
| 04:16.35 | Dashkal | Yssaril: It's peer to peer. The poster broadcasts the post once done. This way then can be offline and still have the message read |
| 04:16.38 | RaydenUni | suck |
| 04:16.43 | kenlyric | since only about half of it counts as a inn |
| 04:16.48 | Dashkal | they* |
| 04:16.52 | RaydenUni | we were all doing gruul and the server dumped on us |
| 04:17.17 | kenlyric | anyway, it means set your hearth here. |
| 04:17.27 | kenlyric | since you dont' always set your hearth just because you're questing there. |
| 04:17.29 | Yssaril | Dashkal: hmm how are you planning on handling when somone new comes online? |
| 04:17.37 | Dashkal | Nexus pretty much boils down to a distributed filesystem |
| 04:18.18 | Dashkal | Yssaril: I'm still tossing ideas on that, but I'm thinking it'll ask around for indicies of messages posted in a given timeframe. Heavily throttled though to avoid slowing everybody down. Then it'll just request the messages it doesn't have |
| 04:18.41 | kenlyric | it does seem that I move a little faster than the guide though. |
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| 04:18.48 | Yssaril | Dashkal: acecomm will automatically throttle if you send to much |
| 04:18.59 | Dashkal | I'm thinking FPS impact, actually |
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| 04:19.07 | Yssaril | kenlyric: better to be faster than slower |
| 04:19.10 | ckknight | Dashkal: that's taken into account |
| 04:19.12 | kenlyric | I'll be about level 11, and it will tell me to go to a city, so I will. Then it won't have anything for me. And I realize it was sending me to do my level 10 stuff (bear form, voidwalker, etc) |
| 04:19.29 | Diao | that's a very interesting concept |
| 04:19.38 | Dashkal | ckknight: It probably can't take into account doing md5 hash comparasons in the background at the same time, though. |
| 04:19.48 | Diao | but i find it unlikely that a guild that has trouble getting people to use web forums will be able to get everyone to download/install the addon |
| 04:20.04 | Yssaril | Dashkal: why do you need md5 hashing? |
| 04:20.05 | Dashkal | <--- has a guild who refuses to use web forums |
| 04:20.10 | kenlyric | the only thing I need now is a search field on lighteheaded and I'd never have to tab out of the game while questing again. |
| 04:20.16 | Dashkal | Yssaril: Trust. I need a way to be sure messages aren't tampered with |
| 04:20.23 | Dashkal | ANd we'll enforce it by requiring it for raid signups :p |
| 04:20.24 | Nimble_Rabit | kenlyric, same |
| 04:20.38 | Diao | heh |
| 04:20.43 | Diao | we can't enforce anything |
| 04:20.48 | Diao | people have trouble getting omen to work properly -_- |
| 04:20.52 | kenlyric | and that's only while guides are incomplete. |
| 04:21.50 | Dashkal | heh. Well, people can either sign up or not have their slot reserved. That simple |
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| 04:21.56 | kenlyric | it's a wonder that people so stupid can even manage the 4 buttons they need to play |
| 04:22.03 | Yssaril | Dashkal: good luck with the mod sounds interesting but please make it less spammy than GroupCalendar |
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| 04:22.32 | Arrowmaster | theres a good string hashing function on wowwiki |
| 04:22.34 | Diao | oh btw |
| 04:22.36 | Diao | Grum_ and others |
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| 04:22.43 | kenlyric | if you can't use web forums and omen, I have to wonder how they're able to breath at all |
| 04:22.53 | Dashkal | Yssaril: Oh that's a major design goal (GC) I'm replacing GC for our guild |
| 04:22.55 | Diao | our shadowpriest that was failing miserably was using r1 VT/MF for... about 4 or 5 months |
| 04:23.02 | kenlyric | pretty sure you just need a brain stem to install omen |
| 04:23.22 | Diao | we had her respec to a full pve spec and train max rank.. and she still nearly got outdpsed by the tanks D: |
| 04:23.24 | kenlyric | rank... 1 you say |
| 04:23.26 | Diao | so something else is wrong |
| 04:23.31 | kenlyric | right |
| 04:23.41 | kenlyric | see, dumb can't be fixed |
| 04:23.42 | Diao | that's right, she never trained past r1 after respeccing shadow |
| 04:23.49 | Diao | for 4 or 5 months |
| 04:23.55 | kenlyric | you fix it, and you will just find more dumb |
| 04:24.00 | selckin | Diao: thats quite common mistake, but not that long |
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| 04:24.42 | Diao | yea i've done it a couple times |
| 04:24.49 | Diao | but i realize it after about 10 minutes of trying to kill something |
| 04:24.52 | Hobby-home | Anyone else's realm having partial cisconnects? |
| 04:24.52 | kenlyric | "jeeze, this spell is pretty crappy" |
| 04:24.58 | kenlyric | especially mind flay |
| 04:25.01 | kenlyric | jesus |
| 04:25.04 | Hobby-home | errr disconnects* |
| 04:25.13 | kenlyric | "this is really mana efficient!" |
| 04:25.19 | Diao | lol |
| 04:25.26 | Diao | but yeah |
| 04:25.29 | Diao | i don't understand |
| 04:25.35 | Diao | we cleared kara in 3.5 hrs last week |
| 04:25.37 | Yssaril | Diao: did ur SP lvl as holy? |
| 04:25.40 | Diao | basically 9 manning it |
| 04:25.43 | kenlyric | I didn't have fear ward for a while after they gave it to us. |
| 04:25.47 | Diao | yes Yssaril |
| 04:25.52 | Diao | she insisted on leveling as holy |
| 04:26.03 | Diao | even though we told her like 2430932840294 times to go shadow |
| 04:26.04 | kenlyric | but that's just because I never went to a training city |
| 04:26.09 | kenlyric | see |
| 04:26.12 | Diao | and then she was a terrible healer who couldn't do anything right |
| 04:26.14 | kenlyric | you knew right from the beginning |
| 04:26.17 | Diao | so we said spec shadow ffs |
| 04:26.19 | kenlyric | and you let it go on and on and on |
| 04:26.32 | Diao | it's kind of hard to fix dumb :( |
| 04:26.38 | Arrowmaster | 3.5 hours? so slow |
| 04:26.40 | Yssaril | could explain why she didnt think of her dpd being off if she was killing stuff as holy before but still wtf |
| 04:26.46 | Hobby-home | it isn't hard |
| 04:26.47 | Diao | Arrowmaster we were 9 manning it basically |
| 04:26.53 | Diao | actually 8 man |
| 04:26.55 | Hobby-home | just take the safety labels off everything around the person |
| 04:26.57 | Diao | cause our OT was a prot warr |
| 04:27.02 | Diao | instead of arms/fury like we usually bring |
| 04:27.07 | Diao | so our dps was much lower than usual |
| 04:27.31 | Diao | we still brought curator down to 12% during the first evoc though |
| 04:27.33 | Diao | was kinda cool |
| 04:27.58 | Arrowmaster | this week curator hit evoc right as he enraged |
| 04:28.20 | Diao | yeah we're still in kara/za gear |
| 04:28.23 | kenlyric | oh, meh |
| 04:28.24 | Diao | so we don't have anywhere near that much dps :P |
| 04:28.31 | kenlyric | you haven't seen curator until after his third evocate |
| 04:28.37 | Diao | lol |
| 04:29.08 | kenlyric | when the MT starts taking hateful bolts. |
| 04:29.13 | Diao | but yeah |
| 04:29.22 | kenlyric | or whatever they're called, and you have no mana left cause it's the fucking third evocate |
| 04:29.41 | Dashkal | Web forum swe can't get. But anybody without omen gets called pretty quickly... and if they pull from me I don't taunt until they're dead |
| 04:29.43 | Diao | http://wowwebstats.com/cdaxoyeporfsk <- you can see pretty clearly how badly she's doing relative to the other dps |
| 04:29.45 | selckin | i've seen noobs stay alive for 10+ evocs |
| 04:29.48 | kenlyric | as it turns out, people who couldn't focus fir on fankriss never really learned the lesson. |
| 04:30.00 | Yssaril | what do you guys think http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7715/wowscrnshot030508220810zm7.jpg (working on the round unitframes the other once are just there to see if i got everything right :P) |
| 04:30.20 | Diao | o.O |
| 04:30.22 | RaydenUni | is it normal for a shadow priest to not be able to run out of mana on gruul? |
| 04:30.25 | Diao | looks interesting |
| 04:30.39 | kenlyric | RaydenUni: should be |
| 04:30.44 | kenlyric | there's enough movement |
| 04:30.45 | Arrowmaster | so we cleared all the way to gorefiend and the server crashes and now were about to call the raid since we cant login |
| 04:31.01 | RaydenUni | i died with gruul around 18% and i had about 75% mana |
| 04:31.11 | RaydenUni | hadn't used shadowfiend yet |
| 04:31.35 | Diao | with all the movement most of your dps would probably be dots |
| 04:31.37 | Diao | i guess |
| 04:31.39 | Arrowmaster | so now is MT is posting pics of hot chicks in our offtopic forum |
| 04:31.47 | Diao | lol |
| 04:31.53 | Diao | always a good way to pass time |
| 04:31.56 | RaydenUni | good, good |
| 04:32.04 | RaydenUni | i was still in the top 5 for dps |
| 04:32.12 | RaydenUni | with the mages and the hunters |
| 04:32.16 | RaydenUni | hmm |
| 04:32.18 | Diao | hm |
| 04:32.23 | Diao | our locks and spri are usually top on gruul |
| 04:32.24 | RaydenUni | i don't remember seeing the warlocks |
| 04:32.28 | RaydenUni | but you'd think they would do well |
| 04:32.38 | Diao | yeah we had 2 locks as #1 on our first couple kills |
| 04:32.40 | Diao | er |
| 04:32.43 | Diao | #1 and 2 respectively |
| 04:32.56 | RaydenUni | a lot of gruul depends on whether you are alive it seems |
| 04:33.02 | Diao | indeed |
| 04:33.13 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, funny, lots of enocunters depend on you being alive |
| 04:33.17 | Yssaril | RaydenUni: in general if you live longer than the mob you win :P |
| 04:33.18 | RaydenUni | i was #1 in dps the first time my guild killed him only because i didn't die |
| 04:33.41 | RaydenUni | i don't know if all 25 are like this, but the 10 mans i've done we often end with everyone alive |
| 04:33.48 | RaydenUni | not 80% dead |
| 04:34.17 | kenlyric | you're an hero |
| 04:34.31 | RaydenUni | ? |
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| 04:35.16 | Yssaril | on our first gruul kill we only had one person remaining :P we got lucky with shatters so he took him down his last % :) |
| 04:35.27 | RaydenUni | woah |
| 04:35.30 | RaydenUni | that's awesome |
| 04:35.38 | RaydenUni | our first try tonight we got him to 3% at 20 grows |
| 04:35.39 | RaydenUni | good grief |
| 04:35.47 | WobWork | 20? |
| 04:35.48 | WobWork | ow |
| 04:35.54 | RaydenUni | yeah seriously |
| 04:35.57 | selckin | spank your dps |
| 04:36.02 | RaydenUni | i dunno what happened with the dps |
| 04:36.05 | vhaarr | or the tank :P |
| 04:36.08 | WobWork | They could be dead =) |
| 04:36.12 | Yssaril | damn you want to be able to kill him at the lastest 14grows or so |
| 04:36.18 | RaydenUni | maybe first time for a bunch of them and they died from cave ins and shatters? |
| 04:36.23 | RaydenUni | lastest? |
| 04:36.34 | WobWork | just remember that rogues can cloak out of the movement debuff |
| 04:36.42 | WobWork | and since it's spaced well at 2min a shatter... |
| 04:36.46 | WobWork | it's like Aran |
| 04:36.49 | RaydenUni | we know that |
| 04:36.55 | RaydenUni | how so? |
| 04:36.58 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 04:36.59 | Yssaril | well he shouldn't grow more than 14 times otherewise you have other problems usually people dieing to stupid shit |
| 04:37.00 | RaydenUni | the arcane |
| 04:37.04 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:37.06 | RaydenUni | well yeah |
| 04:37.09 | RaydenUni | deaths to cave ins |
| 04:37.13 | WobWork | druids can barkskin to mitigate shatter damage |
| 04:37.28 | RaydenUni | no one ever mentioned that |
| 04:37.31 | Dashkal | I have got to learn to hit that button more |
| 04:37.32 | RaydenUni | i'll bring it up next time |
| 04:37.40 | Dashkal | barkskin apparently reduces _all_ damage |
| 04:37.40 | NightHawkTheSane | you have to "mention" things like that? |
| 04:37.47 | RaydenUni | i dunno |
| 04:37.54 | WobWork | well after 14 or so, the tank is taking so much damage, the healers can't afford to heal anyone else |
| 04:37.56 | RaydenUni | one of the mages didn't realize we were putting amplify magic on the tanks |
| 04:37.56 | NightHawkTheSane | wts reading tooltips? |
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| 04:38.09 | vhaarr | RaydenUni: the best trick is to jump-move, your movement speed is not restricted while in the air |
| 04:38.16 | RaydenUni | really? |
| 04:38.18 | vhaarr | yes |
| 04:38.30 | WobWork | There are also locations near rock formations that you don't get flung into the air |
| 04:38.33 | Yssaril | we had a guy yell over vent that he died to cave in once i told him thank you for sharing that your an idiot (he never died to cave ins again :)) |
| 04:38.39 | RaydenUni | so even if you are slowed you can jump to go faster? |
| 04:38.44 | vhaarr | yes |
| 04:39.16 | WobWork | as a ranged, I hugged a rock, and never got flung more than a couple of feet off the floor if at that |
| 04:39.27 | kenlyric | elrathia? |
| 04:39.35 | RaydenUni | as a shadow priest i gotta stand right up next to gruul |
| 04:39.40 | RaydenUni | wtf longer range MF |
| 04:39.48 | RaydenUni | wtb |
| 04:40.06 | WobWork | you're counted as melee then without placement issues =) |
| 04:40.19 | WobWork | thank god they changed pets to attack from behind |
| 04:40.26 | RaydenUni | i'm right up next to all the healers |
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| 04:40.40 | WobWork | although it makes for difficult cave in avoidances, it stops the tanks from being parry raped |
| 04:41.22 | vhaarr | WobWork: amazes me how many melee DPS are not aware of the parry swing reset |
| 04:41.29 | WobWork | inorite?! |
| 04:41.32 | WobWork | it's crazy! |
| 04:41.37 | vhaarr | WobWork: our rogues and dps warriors constantly forget about it |
| 04:41.38 | RaydenUni | what is this parry swing reset thing? |
| 04:41.45 | WobWork | if you attack from the front |
| 04:41.46 | vhaarr | so when I tank I have to say it every time |
| 04:41.48 | WobWork | and the boss parries |
| 04:41.52 | NightHawkTheSane | people in general are pretty ignorant of fairly basic game meechanics |
| 04:41.53 | WobWork | it resets his swing timer |
| 04:41.58 | NightHawkTheSane | most people just mash buttons and call it a day |
| 04:42.02 | Dashkal | parry reset? |
| 04:42.06 | WobWork | so he effectively gets a free hit at the tank |
| 04:42.06 | RaydenUni | so as melee dps you just need to avoid him getting a parry off? |
| 04:42.10 | vhaarr | RaydenUni: mobs only parry from frontal attacks |
| 04:42.10 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:42.13 | WobWork | which is easy |
| 04:42.18 | WobWork | just attack from behind |
| 04:42.28 | vhaarr | so if a melee dps stands in front of him |
| 04:42.36 | vhaarr | you risk the tank getting up to 4 attacks INSTANTLY |
| 04:42.43 | RaydenUni | 4? |
| 04:42.44 | vhaarr | which can be a shitload of damage, let me tell you |
| 04:42.46 | vhaarr | yes |
| 04:42.50 | RaydenUni | why 4? |
| 04:43.03 | vhaarr | I don't remember |
| 04:43.04 | RaydenUni | the tank and said dps getting parried? |
| 04:43.23 | RaydenUni | no |
| 04:43.25 | RaydenUni | that would be 3 |
| 04:43.35 | NightHawkTheSane | well, 3 is easy to see, melee + hasted melee from parry + instant |
| 04:43.44 | vhaarr | right, it's 3, not 4 |
| 04:43.44 | WobWork | offhand attacks might also contribute if parried |
| 04:43.54 | vhaarr | maybe 4 if DW melee |
| 04:44.03 | vhaarr | RaydenUni: anyway |
| 04:44.07 | WobWork | hehe |
| 04:44.11 | vhaarr | RaydenUni: such a thing isn't rare |
| 04:44.14 | vhaarr | and it WILL kill your tank |
| 04:44.17 | WobWork | basic fact, parry rape is a bad thing =) |
| 04:44.18 | vhaarr | so educate your melee |
| 04:44.41 | Diao | and yes kenlyric |
| 04:44.43 | Diao | elrathia |
| 04:44.59 | NightHawkTheSane | although i guess if the melee's sitting on, what.. ~6% parry reduction from expertise it wouldn't matter so much. but thats unlikely |
| 04:45.11 | WobWork | well in general |
| 04:45.13 | WobWork | if you're behind |
| 04:45.17 | WobWork | you don't eat cleaves |
| 04:45.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 04:45.22 | Diao | uhh |
| 04:45.25 | Diao | parry doesn't reset swing timers |
| 04:45.30 | NightHawkTheSane | theres a lot of other good reasons to be behind the mob :P |
| 04:45.32 | Diao | it reduces the time til next swing by 40% |
| 04:45.34 | Diao | up to a max of 80% |
| 04:45.55 | WobWork | Diao: okay, so numbers may be a bit off. But the basic point remains =P |
| 04:46.01 | Diao | :p |
| 04:46.15 | WobWork | Parry rape is bad, mkay? =) |
| 04:46.18 | Diao | indeed |
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| 04:46.57 | WobWork | at least for rogues, there's a lot more you can do from behind =) |
| 04:46.59 | WobWork | <.< |
| 04:47.00 | WobWork | >.> |
| 04:47.24 | Diao | lol |
| 04:47.26 | NightHawkTheSane | is combat daggers still viable? |
| 04:47.35 | Diao | viable yes, as good as combat sword or fist no |
| 04:47.44 | WobWork | (and now I have an image of a fluffy bunny in full plate, tanking Gruul... Thanks vhaarr =P) |
| 04:47.51 | vhaarr | rofl |
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| 04:49.02 | Yssaril | isn't one of the best rogue specs swords and fists atm? sword mainhand with fist offhand? |
| 04:49.51 | Gngsk | it's good for teir 4 raiding cause there's not a lot of swords to choose from and the 5% crit from first spec is good |
| 04:50.07 | Gngsk | as you get higher you gain more crit and extra sword procs become better |
| 04:50.19 | Yssaril | kk |
| 04:50.48 | Yssaril | never got a rogue past lvl12 so all i know is from listening to others :) |
| 04:50.55 | Diao | no Yssaril |
| 04:50.59 | Diao | it's fist main sword off |
| 04:51.05 | Diao | the offhand procs a mh fist attack |
| 04:51.11 | Diao | and the fist gives the crit |
| 04:51.20 | Yssaril | diao kk :) |
| 04:51.35 | Gngsk | yah, sry didn't even notice that part of the question |
| 04:51.44 | Yssaril | WobWork: btw is xparky working again? |
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| 04:54.48 | RaydenUni | i'd like to see a 5 man daily |
| 04:54.52 | RaydenUni | something short, pretty difficult |
| 04:54.57 | RaydenUni | much shorter than a dungeon |
| 04:55.15 | Primer | !rating 1505 |
| 04:55.15 | Xinhuan | 1505 rating gives 349(5s), 307(3s) and 265(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
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| 04:55.29 | WobWork | Yssaril: I haven't had time recently, due to running www.worldmathsday.com =P |
| 04:56.51 | NimbleRabit | running WoW in opengl is weird, every time I minimize my sreen flashes black for a second |
| 04:56.59 | Yssaril | WobWork: cool |
| 04:57.31 | NimbleRabit | RaydenUni, I would like that |
| 04:57.58 | RaydenUni | maybe a 3 tier thing |
| 04:58.03 | RaydenUni | like the shartuul event |
| 04:58.55 | NimbleRabit | although I might like 3 person more |
| 04:59.08 | NimbleRabit | I guess you wouldn't be able to be sure they didn't use more though |
| 04:59.18 | RaydenUni | um |
| 04:59.24 | RaydenUni | why not? |
| 04:59.27 | RaydenUni | they do with Shartuul |
| 04:59.33 | NimbleRabit | I dunno what Shartuul is |
| 04:59.39 | NimbleRabit | I didn't know WoW could do things like that |
| 05:00.00 | NimbleRabit | I've never done anything that limited the players to less than 5, that I can think of |
| 05:00.29 | NimbleRabit | it's annoying when somebody starts 3 sentences in a row with "I" isn't it? |
| 05:00.31 | NimbleRabit | bad habit... |
| 05:00.41 | RaydenUni | or just a subject |
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| 05:02.00 | vhaarr | So, I create a Button frame and show it on the screen, why doesn't it hide when I press Alt+Z ? |
| 05:02.47 | Yssaril | vhaarr: did u give the button a parent? |
| 05:02.49 | Codayus | Needs to be parented to UIParent |
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| 05:02.53 | vhaarr | aha |
| 05:03.06 | Codayus | Since Alt Z just hides UIParent, IIRC. |
| 05:03.20 | vhaarr | you're right |
| 05:03.21 | vhaarr | thank you |
| 05:03.36 | RaydenUni | Shartuul is an event in blade spire |
| 05:03.40 | RaydenUni | 1 person |
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| 05:03.54 | RaydenUni | you mind control a unit and fight a bunch of demons |
| 05:04.00 | RaydenUni | these demons are all friendly to everyone else |
| 05:04.20 | RaydenUni | might be a little more tricky for a group |
| 05:05.03 | Codayus | The hunter and priest epic quests were 1 person only, enforced to a greater or lesser extent. |
| 05:05.04 | CIA-9 | 03eblume * r63715 10Socialist/ (Socialist.lua Socialist.toc): |
| 05:05.04 | CIA-9 | Socialist: |
| 05:05.04 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.04 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:07.46 | RaydenUni | what's nice about being a shadow priest and not stacking int |
| 05:07.59 | RaydenUni | i only have 7600 mana unbuffed and those savage frond things regen more than half my mana |
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| 05:14.51 | Dashkal | welcome back |
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| 05:16.21 | Estil | buff druids |
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| 05:22.55 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63716 10Conditioner/Conditioner.lua: Conditioner: Parent the frame to UIParent. |
| 05:23.22 | Gngsk | WRU Shampoo? |
| 05:23.34 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63717 10GnomeCharmer/GnomeCharmer.lua: GnomeCharmer: Parent the bar to UIParent and remove the "used icon" marking until 2.4. |
| 05:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9406&Itemid=9 |
| 05:34.08 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63718 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber: Properly catch errors thrown from Stubby. |
| 05:37.38 | CIA-9 | 03nemes * r63719 10NShakedown/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:37.38 | CIA-9 | NShakedown: |
| 05:37.38 | CIA-9 | - add MSBT support, with no draggability |
| 05:37.39 | CIA-9 | - add SmartBuff support |
| 05:37.39 | CIA-9 | - add NBuffBars support |
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| 05:40.07 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r63720 10Recount2/ (13 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:40.07 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
| 05:40.07 | CIA-9 | -Adds the start of a scrollbar widget |
| 05:40.07 | CIA-9 | -Fixes columns not clipping on the left side on table frames |
| 05:40.07 | CIA-9 | -Adds a horizontal scrollbar to the table frames allowing you to see scan through the columns |
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| 05:44.03 | Cryect | heh the fun of testing UI pieces http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/814/wowscrnshot030608003655xe6.jpg |
| 05:50.18 | Gngsk | vhaarr, not sure if this should be directed your way or ammo's but I'm getting this error in BT when I'm running toward the rest of my raid http://gngsk.pastey.net/83397 |
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| 05:53.17 | vhaarr | Gngsk: commit inc |
| 05:53.22 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63721 10oRA2/Optional/PlayerTarget.lua: oRA2: Apply the same "fix" to PT. |
| 05:54.58 | Gngsk | ty kindly |
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| 06:01.28 | CIA-9 | 03benumbed * r63722 10DaPortrait/ (Constants.lua DaPortrait.lua): |
| 06:01.28 | CIA-9 | DaPortrait: |
| 06:01.28 | CIA-9 | - Adjust a few models |
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| 06:11.04 | CIA-9 | 03ellipsis * r63723 10LibDruidMana-1.0/LibDruidMana-1.0.lua: LibDruidMana-1.0: Fix a nil error. |
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| 06:35.55 | magma | is there any way to determine one's altitude while on a flying mount? |
| 06:36.47 | Dashkal | magma: sadly no |
| 06:39.14 | Ellipsis | look down? :P |
| 06:39.33 | magma | =/ |
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| 06:42.01 | Fisker- | lol |
| 06:42.17 | Fisker- | me and a priest held stables vs. 5-10 alliance :P |
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| 06:44.50 | Pkekyo| | and then you alt-tabbed to brag and lost it... |
| 06:49.57 | Fisker- | no Pkekyo| |
| 06:50.05 | Fisker- | we kepts |
| 06:50.08 | Fisker- | kept it |
| 06:50.13 | Fisker- | we KEPT IT UNTIL BACKUP ARRIVED RAWR |
| 06:50.16 | Fisker- | then we got all 5 bases |
| 06:50.20 | Fisker- | and fucking owned everyone |
| 06:50.45 | Kerafyrm | uh huh |
| 06:50.46 | Gngsk | I'd be more impressed if you were saying that as alliance |
| 06:51.03 | Gngsk | as horde it's just business as usual |
| 06:52.17 | magma | rofl |
| 06:52.19 | magma | true story |
| 06:52.23 | Fisker- | it's the same terms Gngsk |
| 06:52.31 | Fisker- | that alliance suck isn't my problem |
| 06:53.01 | Kerafyrm | pre-made alliance? or pug |
| 06:53.13 | Kerafyrm | cuz thats a big difference, pug alliance would have streamed in 1 at a time |
| 06:53.19 | Kerafyrm | and would have been easy pickings |
| 06:53.44 | Fisker- | we couldn't actually kill them |
| 06:53.58 | Fisker- | holy paladin + holy or disc priest vs. a lot of alliance |
| 06:54.20 | Fisker- | couldn't even pop consecration because i had to interrupt alliance |
| 06:54.56 | NightHawkTheSane | vhaarr: ping |
| 06:55.01 | Fisker- | paladins would probably be the most annoying class in bg's if consecration interrupted btw :P |
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| 07:00.13 | Fisker- | haha |
| 07:00.19 | Fisker- | they removed the flametongue stuff |
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| 07:04.17 | CIA-9 | 03nemes * r63725 10NBuffBars/ (Constants.lua NBuffBars.lua RaidMember.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 07:04.17 | CIA-9 | NBuffBars: |
| 07:04.17 | CIA-9 | - Round the time remaining to the nearest minute, when > 1 min remaining |
| 07:04.17 | CIA-9 | - Extent the click area up to 4 pixels above the bar, if the gap is up to 4 pixels |
| 07:04.17 | CIA-9 | - Use the group buff spell for the range check, if it exists |
| 07:04.18 | CIA-9 | - Add fear ward to priest defaults |
| 07:04.20 | CIA-9 | - Example now properly shows if the bars were previously hidden |
| 07:05.28 | CIA-9 | 03cwdg * r63726 10LibBabble-Inventory-3.0/LibBabble-Inventory-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Inventory-3.0: zhCN update |
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| 07:15.52 | CIA-9 | 03dashkal 07dashkal * r63727 10Nexus/Nexus/ (LICENSE.txt Nexus.lua Nexus.toc basictables.lua): |
| 07:15.52 | CIA-9 | Nexus: |
| 07:15.52 | CIA-9 | - Made Nexus officially BSD-2.0 |
| 07:15.52 | CIA-9 | - Moved some fields in the message table |
| 07:15.56 | Dashkal | Meh, hopefully I'll get more done tomorrow. *yawns* night |
| 07:19.07 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103773379&postId=51032556993&sid=1#74 <-they can't be serious |
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| 07:21.01 | nevcairiel | they always are |
| 07:22.03 | selckin | thats some stupid decision making process |
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| 07:24.22 | Ellipsis | yes let's screw the entire class over because they're good in arenas |
| 07:24.45 | Ellipsis | nevermind there's a whole lot more people out there being affected by this change who will never even see an arena |
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| 07:28.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Ellipsis: thats kind of been t heir MO since arenas came out. They're pushing so hard to make that some kind of valid esport crap they're basically screwing over pve for it |
| 07:30.50 | Industrial | arenas sucks |
| 07:31.22 | Industrial | i want a big fucking wildernist with fortresses you have to capture that are actually defendable |
| 07:31.34 | Industrial | I want big dragons and giants roaming around |
| 07:31.35 | Gngsk | gilbert arenas is the man, whatchoo talkin' about? |
| 07:31.40 | Industrial | i want realm versus realm chaos |
| 07:32.04 | Tem | Industrial, go play warhammar imo |
| 07:32.16 | Industrial | yeah i dont have an invite QQ |
| 07:32.26 | Industrial | I signed up months ago |
| 07:32.28 | Industrial | >_. |
| 07:32.46 | Fisker- | your eyes suck |
| 07:32.51 | Fisker- | get new ones |
| 07:33.37 | CIA-9 | 03lilsparky 07lilsparky * r63728 10Skillet/UI/ (MainFrame.lua MainFrame.xml): |
| 07:33.37 | CIA-9 | skillet/lilsparky: |
| 07:33.37 | CIA-9 | - ui tweaks |
| 07:33.47 | CIA-9 | 03eblume * r63729 10Socialist/ (. Socialist.toc): |
| 07:33.47 | CIA-9 | Socialist: |
| 07:33.47 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.33 | Olison | Socialist, hmm what could that be… (Searches the wiki) |
| 07:34.47 | Industrial | lol |
| 07:35.03 | Industrial | Olison: I love how when you do that suddenly its 4am |
| 07:35.30 | Olison | At this time, Socialist *does not work*. It will not interfere with your game... it simply will not function. |
| 07:35.30 | Olison | Stay tuned for more information! |
| 07:35.32 | Olison | A-ha! |
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| 07:35.38 | Olison | Hehe Industrial :P |
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| 07:37.14 | CIA-9 | 03eblume * r63730 10Socialist/ (. Socialist.toc): |
| 07:37.14 | CIA-9 | Socialist: |
| 07:37.14 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.14 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.15 | Elkano | Industrial, where are you? GMT-3? |
| 07:38.04 | haste | GMT+1 |
| 07:38.35 | Industrial | ^ |
| 07:40.41 | Elkano | haste, but GMT+1 it's 8:40am |
| 07:40.43 | Orionshock | anyone on the PTR know if the NPC functions for quests give the QuestID at all? |
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| 07:43.16 | ZealotOnAStick | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/2008-01-14.aspx |
| 07:43.57 | Grum | druid+rogue/warror/warlock for 2v2 so it seems O.o |
| 07:44.06 | Aeyan | Lodoss |
| 07:45.51 | ZealotOnAStick | heh, 8.7% for Mages in 2v2. |
| 07:45.54 | Grum | thanks for making sense to me! |
| 07:45.58 | Grum | running 2 wow clients |
| 07:46.06 | Grum | the one has 1900ms ping .. the other 70ms >< |
| 07:46.10 | jy | its 2200+ |
| 07:46.20 | haste | Elkano: yes, he used it as an example |
| 07:46.50 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63731 10LibBabble-Spell-3.0/ (LibBabble-Spell-3.0.lua deDE.lua): |
| 07:46.50 | CIA-9 | LibBabble-Spell-3.0 |
| 07:46.50 | CIA-9 | - add missing translations to enUS |
| 07:46.50 | CIA-9 | - if you add new translations to the language files, ALWAYS add them to enUS too |
| 07:47.22 | Hracken | lawl |
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| 07:49.51 | Elkano | haste, I think I simply misread his sentence ^^ |
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| 07:56.24 | aestil | how's the ptr coming? stabilizing? |
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| 07:57.53 | Gngsk | combatlog still needs work |
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| 08:08.51 | aestil | when 2.4 comes out, and when kgpanels is live, i'll spend a 2 weekend period working on, and fixing my UI. |
| 08:08.59 | aestil | ckknight: when was the last time you logged in? |
| 08:09.34 | Ellipsis | he's asleep, why? |
| 08:10.30 | aestil | i neever see him. |
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| 08:10.36 | aestil | transfer soon little girl? |
| 08:10.40 | Ellipsis | he's been busy with work and stuff |
| 08:10.46 | Ellipsis | yeah maybe once I have a WoW install to play on |
| 08:10.48 | aestil | yeah, i know the feeling. |
| 08:10.58 | aestil | my old guild killed illidian :( |
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| 08:11.07 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=Arcane+Tomb <--fuck you wowhead? |
| 08:11.47 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: are you trolling or do you really not know how to spell it? |
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| 08:12.18 | aestil | if you try arcane tome sag_ich_nicht, you'll find something |
| 08:12.37 | haste | amazing |
| 08:12.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: maybe |
| 08:12.45 | Ellipsis | aww |
| 08:13.07 | sag_ich_nicht | you'll never know |
| 08:13.14 | Ellipsis | yes I will |
| 08:13.17 | sag_ich_nicht | noep |
| 08:13.17 | Ellipsis | you already answered :) |
| 08:13.20 | sag_ich_nicht | noep |
| 08:13.48 | aestil | ok. i'm gonna go pound some water and then sleep. |
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| 08:14.17 | aestil | is having hands in bleach for like 20 minutes bad for my health, or just for my hands? |
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| 08:16.40 | Symian | Hi! I'm getting back to LUA after another long break - I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the preferred way for checking if a key has been defined or not is? |
| 08:16.52 | Symian | Or more preferably, what resource lists such information? |
| 08:17.01 | Ellipsis | ~pil |
| 08:17.02 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 08:19.04 | Symian | Ellipsis, thanks! Bookmarked. Would you mind helping me find the right section of that? |
| 08:19.45 | Ellipsis | are you just checking which keys in a table have been assigned values? |
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| 08:20.28 | Symian | Well, the idea is I want to return the number of values in a table - but it is possible that the table simply doesn't exist. |
| 08:20.38 | Symian | The table is assigned to a key of another table. |
| 08:20.50 | Symian | Can I just do... table == nil? |
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| 08:21.45 | Ellipsis | if the table itself is nil, you can't index into it to check values |
| 08:22.02 | Symian | Right, that's why I need to check if it's nil firs.t |
| 08:22.04 | Symian | First. |
| 08:22.12 | Ellipsis | right |
| 08:22.17 | Symian | Is there a method or function to do that? Or can I just check "table == nil"? |
| 08:22.32 | Ellipsis | that check will do fine |
| 08:22.36 | Symian | Perfect. Thanks! |
| 08:22.53 | Symian | I'd just check, but I don't have access to WoW at the moment. |
| 08:22.54 | Ellipsis | if you want to be really fancy about it, like if the table is being passed in from another addon or something, you can also check type(table) == "table" |
| 08:23.09 | Symian | Ooooh. So noted. :-D |
| 08:23.45 | Ellipsis | http://www.lua.org/pil/19.1.html |
| 08:23.53 | Ellipsis | should help you a bit with your specific problem |
| 08:24.43 | Ellipsis | you may also find that # does what you need |
| 08:24.44 | Symian | Ooooh. Should I call to table.getn()? |
| 08:24.54 | Symian | Or in WoW, can I just call "getn"? |
| 08:25.21 | Symian | Because that says handle it via table, but I thought you could use it statically. |
| 08:25.46 | Ellipsis | lua> t = { [1] = "a", [2] = "b", [6] = "c" }; print(table.getn(t), #t) |
| 08:25.46 | lua_bot | Ellipsis: 2, 2 |
| 08:26.07 | Ellipsis | lua> t = { [1] = "a", [2] = "b", [6] = "c" }; print(table.getn(t), #t) |
| 08:26.08 | lua_bot | Ellipsis: 2, 2 |
| 08:26.11 | Symian | Oh, cool! |
| 08:26.12 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 08:26.19 | Ellipsis | lua> t = { ["alpha"] = "a", [2] = "b", [6] = "c" }; print(table.getn(t), #t) |
| 08:26.19 | lua_bot | Ellipsis: 0, 0 |
| 08:26.43 | Ellipsis | that's a couple ways to do the size thing, and examples of when they can get confused |
| 08:26.53 | Symian | *nod* |
| 08:26.55 | Ellipsis | hopefully that gives you somewhere to start from :) |
| 08:27.08 | Symian | Indeed it does! Thanks. |
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| 08:35.10 | nevcairiel | btw, table.getn is deprecated and shouldnt be used at all anymore |
| 08:35.14 | nevcairiel | use the # operator |
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| 09:14.38 | Elsia | morning |
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| 09:26.39 | pb_ee1 | Heya Elsia |
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| 09:29.16 | NimbleRabit | I'm sad to say, I think either my wtf folder or interface folder has been crashing my WoW |
| 09:29.21 | NimbleRabit | making it freeze to be more precise |
| 09:30.05 | NeoTron | specifically it didn't correctly keep the raid information up to speed |
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| 09:30.50 | NimbleRabit | is there a way I could possibly scan my wtf/interface for problems? Somebody told me it might be corrupted files that were freezing my WoW and I guess they were right |
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| 09:31.08 | NimbleRabit | I could just reget everything and resetup my UI, just wondering |
| 09:32.04 | NeoTron | although it was fun playing with it in the raid I was kind of annoyed I had to raid rather htan just work on the addon . |
| 09:32.08 | selckin | rename the dirs and see if the problem goes away |
| 09:34.11 | NimbleRabit | selckin, that's what I did. I can't be sure it fixed it because it sometimes takes hours to freeze, but so far it seems to have fixed the problem. |
| 09:34.26 | NimbleRabit | so I'm pretty sure it was some sort of corruption in one of those folders |
| 09:34.40 | NimbleRabit | wish I would have tried that before changing my motherboard, processor, memory, video card... |
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| 09:41.01 | Elsia | lua> string.format("%0x",2600) |
| 09:41.01 | lua_bot | Elsia: a28 |
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| 09:43.05 | Elsia | lua> string.format("%0x",1297) |
| 09:43.06 | lua_bot | Elsia: 511 |
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| 09:45.25 | Grum | NimbleRabit: it takes an hour to free? what kind of free? |
| 09:45.30 | Grum | fullstop of just a second of non-action? |
| 09:45.37 | Gngsk | anyone know off the top of their head if using items that trigger the GCD fires UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED? |
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| 09:46.25 | NimbleRabit | Grum, freeze as in my entire computer comes to a halt and nothing responds anymore |
| 09:46.37 | Grum | NimbleRabit: without addons you dont have it? |
| 09:46.52 | NimbleRabit | without addon/wtf folder |
| 09:47.04 | Grum | you still have lockups then? |
| 09:47.07 | NimbleRabit | nope |
| 09:47.15 | NimbleRabit | renamed my interface and wtf folders |
| 09:47.18 | NimbleRabit | all is now good |
| 09:47.19 | Ellipsis | try keeping your wtf and everything, but just disable all your addons |
| 09:47.30 | NimbleRabit | Ellipsis, it happened without logging in |
| 09:47.34 | NimbleRabit | somebody told me it could be corruption of files or something |
| 09:47.38 | Ellipsis | oh |
| 09:47.43 | NimbleRabit | which I guess was correct |
| 09:47.45 | Ellipsis | yeah, it's not addons then |
| 09:47.49 | Grum | indeed |
| 09:47.54 | Grum | do you log into a crowded area? |
| 09:48.01 | Grum | it could be you have a corrupted itemcache |
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| 09:48.12 | NimbleRabit | well I deleted cache/wtf/interface |
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| 09:48.21 | Grum | and it still occurs? |
| 09:48.23 | NimbleRabit | nope |
| 09:48.31 | Ellipsis | it's probably the cache |
| 09:48.33 | Ellipsis | try just deleting that |
| 09:48.40 | Grum | yeah that is the likely suspect |
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| 10:01.40 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r63732 10Recount/ (. GUI_Main.lua Recount.lua Recount.toc embeds.xml): |
| 10:01.40 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 10:01.41 | CIA-9 | - Changed to LibSharedMedia-3.0 and fixed font loading. |
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| 10:06.32 | Elsia | lua> string.format("%0x",4648) |
| 10:06.33 | lua_bot | Elsia: 1228 |
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| 10:12.54 | CIA-9 | 03snago * r63733 10IHML/locales/ (5 files): |
| 10:12.54 | CIA-9 | IHML: |
| 10:12.54 | CIA-9 | - Added frFR, thanks to LaMaG |
| 10:12.54 | CIA-9 | - Back to using UTF8 *with* BOM |
| 10:12.54 | CIA-9 | - Fixed some deDE encoding issues |
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| 10:34.47 | CIA-9 | 03eblume * r63734 10Socialist/ (Socialist.lua Socialist.toc): |
| 10:34.47 | CIA-9 | Socialist: |
| 10:34.47 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.47 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:41.52 | Elsia | anyone of EU PVE PTR for a quick test? |
| 10:44.06 | Stanzilla | < |
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| 10:44.39 | Thorgard | > |
| 10:44.53 | Elsia | great |
| 10:45.30 | Elsia | whisper renetta |
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| 10:45.57 | NerDz` | Hello' :) |
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| 10:56.22 | Fisker- | you be horde? |
| 10:56.27 | Elsia | alliance |
| 10:57.09 | Fisker- | *haet* |
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| 11:03.29 | Snago | Thousands of patches before i can log into the PTR -.- |
| 11:03.39 | Snago | What was the size of the latest patch? |
| 11:03.52 | nevcairiel | 84mb |
| 11:04.04 | Snago | whoohoo, then this is the last! :D |
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| 11:04.25 | Elsia | hope not, found a few combat log bugs still |
| 11:04.53 | nevcairiel | there are alot of bugs in the filtering UI |
| 11:06.18 | Elsia | SPELL_SUMMON events aren't bug free yet and I haven't found a way to trigger SPELL_CREATE |
| 11:06.24 | Elsia | anyone got a clue how to trigger one of those? |
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| 11:07.23 | sb | is there already some custom combat log? :p w/o blizz buttons |
| 11:08.20 | Elsia | should be easy enough, figure out what they are called and :Hide() |
| 11:09.05 | sb | well - or replace it with something better :p |
| 11:09.59 | Elsia | SuperCombatLogButtons -Ace3- -Dongle'd- -tek-free- |
| 11:10.34 | Snago | gief! |
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| 11:14.20 | Zeksie | any svn admins about? trying to get an account to post a mod or 3 ;) |
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| 11:17.09 | Fisker- | the horror |
| 11:18.12 | sb | no u! |
| 11:20.34 | Orionshock | Zeksie: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_Rules |
| 11:20.46 | Zeksie | yes did all that. been waiting for a reply since 29th |
| 11:20.55 | Orionshock | hummmmm |
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| 11:21.43 | Orionshock | Zeksie: i have this vague reference in the back of my head that says X-Pearl for some reason... |
| 11:21.58 | Zeksie | that's me |
| 11:22.09 | Orionshock | going to use / are using HealComm-3? |
| 11:22.19 | Zeksie | it's on my shortlist of things to add soon |
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| 11:23.10 | Zeksie | been busy with getting Grim Reaper sorted for 2.4, and making it a standalone mod. and with my imba buffing mod |
| 11:23.39 | Zeksie | which is about ready for the masses, if only i could get svn account ;) |
| 11:24.00 | Orionshock | oh nooo, another "-Ace'ed-" mod |
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| 11:24.30 | Zeksie | grim is yes, but only cos it was appropriate for what it did. |
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| 11:25.16 | Zeksie | just for the options/menu etc. rest is mostly as-is. |
| 11:27.11 | Elsia | it does take about a week typically to get svn activation |
| 11:27.22 | Zeksie | ok. nice to know. thx |
| 11:29.27 | Fisker- | OH MAN |
| 11:29.29 | Fisker- | DO SHARE DRUGS |
| 11:29.30 | Fisker- | hi all ... |
| 11:29.30 | Fisker- | I was defeated deep under water and now i need to heal my corpse which lies at a bottom of an underwater dungeon . |
| 11:29.30 | Fisker- | The problem is , I cant dive with the healing spirit . Is there any key command for that option ?? |
| 11:29.45 | Fisker- | healing spirits :o |
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| 11:30.44 | Thorgard | Healing Spirit? What? |
| 11:30.57 | Snago | Are we playing the same game? |
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| 11:38.29 | Anadale_ | Hello. ckknight, is that really you or just a program that joins the channel automagically? :) |
| 11:38.57 | Lukian | Anadale_, it's really ckk's client, but people aren't always on irc :p |
| 11:39.33 | Lukian | Zeksie, only 1 week? |
| 11:39.36 | Lukian | keep waiting! :D |
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| 11:40.33 | Anadale_ | Hmm, why do I have underscore after the name? Anyway, is there anyone who's responsible for SVN server access? I've send the mail like 4 days ago - still no response. Should I sent another one or just wait? |
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| 11:46.38 | Elsia | can take a week or longer ;) |
| 11:46.47 | Anadale_ | Ok, wait mode on |
| 11:46.49 | Zeksie | join hte queue ;) |
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| 11:47.44 | CIA-9 | 03jncl * r63735 10Skinner/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:47.44 | CIA-9 | Skinner: Added error handling for Skinner functions |
| 11:47.44 | CIA-9 | - Updated Skillet skin |
| 11:48.31 | CIA-9 | 03jncl * r63736 10Skinner/Skinner.lua: Skinner: Bugfix for UIOPanels error in PTR |
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| 11:56.08 | selckin | bah can't remember the buffbar mod i used to use |
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| 12:04.29 | Elsia | ~seen Funkeh` |
| 12:04.31 | purl | funkeh` is currently on #wowi-lounge (4h 21m 18s) #wowace (4h 21m 18s) #curseforge (4h 21m 18s), last said: 'yes I guessed as much, Im generally venting frustration'. |
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| 12:17.50 | Hobby-home | Is the armory going to a bi-annual update scheme? |
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| 12:21.30 | Funkeh` | Elsia, looking for me? |
| 12:21.44 | Elsia | funky: yeah, about the sharedmedia confusion |
| 12:22.30 | Elsia | can we depricate sharedmedia-2.0 now that libsharedmedia-3.0 handles sharedmedia properly? |
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| 12:27.01 | Elkano | holy shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw |
| 12:27.35 | Elkano | Elsia, you should rather say: now that SharedMedia handles all four media libs that had beem released |
| 12:28.10 | Elsia | well that too |
| 12:28.40 | Elsia | basically I get flooded with bug reports from SharedMedia-2.0 not supporting all four libs and having both is kind of redundant |
| 12:29.02 | Elsia | basically someone should delete SharedMedia*-2.0 because it's no longer needed and funky did the commit ;) |
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| 12:30.40 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 12:30.42 | Stanzilla | agree |
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| 12:32.19 | JoshBorke | Elsia: why'd they bug you? |
| 12:33.14 | Elsia | because the fonts don't show properly in recount? |
| 12:33.17 | Stanzilla | because they have SharedMedia-2.0 and Recount uses LibSharedMedia-3.0 |
| 12:33.26 | Stanzilla | => no media in recount |
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| 12:33.35 | Elsia | nah it's a load problem |
| 12:33.46 | Elsia | the media is actually there |
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| 12:35.51 | Elsia | it's just not there in time |
| 12:37.35 | Elsia | i.e. in short with SharedMedia supporting all the libs, the 2.0 versions of the data packages are no longer needed a just cause confusion and optdep polution |
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| 12:38.10 | Elsia | elk: have you updated SharedMediaAdditional* also? |
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| 12:40.53 | Stanzilla | no...and there's even a 2.0 version of them |
| 12:41.14 | Elsia | yeah looks like SharedMediaAdditionalFonts needs some treatment then |
| 12:42.04 | Fisker- | Anyone know if there's a difference in DPS added as far as bow vs. arrows are concerned? |
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| 12:42.31 | Fisker- | Because the legendary have a lot of added dps because it can't use arrows |
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| 12:42.52 | JoshBorke | why can't it be because it's legendary? |
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| 12:42.59 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63737 10SharedMedia-2.0/: .trunk: remove SharedMedia-2.0 use SharedMedia to inject media to all SharedMedia libs |
| 12:43.08 | Fisker- | ? |
| 12:43.13 | sica | JoshBorke: it creates its own arrows |
| 12:43.17 | Elsia | funkey \o/ |
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| 12:43.53 | sica | Fisker-: you will notice a heavy dps increase in terms of Steady Shot, Multi Shot as these abilities don't take the arrow-dps into account |
| 12:44.33 | Fisker- | got any sources on that? |
| 12:44.43 | Elsia | hmm I'm pretty sure they do take arrow dps into account, gotta check lactose's post on that |
| 12:45.02 | Elsia | anyway the legendary better outperform any epic+arrows |
| 12:45.13 | Grum | but not massively |
| 12:45.41 | Grum | just enough to make it last for 3-4 arrow updates i presume |
| 12:45.46 | sica | Elsia: hm, I checked the formulas in the EJ-Thread about hunters, there was no arrow-dps in the formulas, wait I'll check again |
| 12:45.59 | Elsia | the tragedy if that legendary is that very few hunters will get it, given thatn WotLK will obsolete sunwell faster than illidan |
| 12:46.18 | Fisker- | well |
| 12:46.21 | Fisker- | if they can release it :P |
| 12:46.32 | Fisker- | That 1 year plan isn't exactly working for them |
| 12:46.44 | Fisker- | And they haven't progressed far enough to even have the F&F alpha running yet |
| 12:46.48 | Grum | its funny how people were all bouncing about 'O M G next year in february we'll have WTOLFTTTKK!' |
| 12:46.52 | Fisker- | so it'll probably be another half year atleast |
| 12:47.14 | Elsia | that's still fewer bows than warglaives ;) |
| 12:47.16 | chexsum_ | 1 legendary bow == 1 epic bow + a bag of arrows imo |
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| 12:47.23 | chexsum_ | pft @ slight dps |
| 12:47.34 | Grum | you safe 50g of ammo each raid |
| 12:47.36 | Grum | yay for that |
| 12:47.41 | chexsum_ | hunters need space for all their loots |
| 12:47.47 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 12:47.55 | Fisker- | moar hunter loot imo |
| 12:50.03 | sica | Elsia: http://www.wowwiki.com/Steady_Shot - no Arrow-DPS mentioned there, is it just added to the WeaponDamage? |
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| 12:53.22 | Elsia | sica: http://hunterguide.wikispaces.com/Theorycraft, you are right steady does not take ammo nor does arcane, but multi does take ammo |
| 12:53.47 | sica | Elsia: oh well, got that mixed up, sorry |
| 12:53.57 | Elsia | it's actually curious that steady doesn't, all other physical do take ammo into account |
| 12:54.01 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel * r63738 10GatherMate/Display.lua: |
| 12:54.01 | CIA-9 | GatherMate: |
| 12:54.01 | CIA-9 | - GMATE-5: ignore minimap scale when sizing the icons |
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| 12:54.21 | Elsia | that means ammo in a BM rotation is almost 50% less helpful |
| 12:54.48 | Elsia | insanely expensive for that little a dps gain really |
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| 12:58.25 | sica | hm, is BM a common spec in raids? we just have 2 MM and one Survival-Hunter |
| 12:58.38 | nevcairiel | we have 2 BM and one survival |
| 12:58.39 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 12:59.51 | Kalroth | We got 1 BM, 2 MM and 1 Surv |
| 13:02.48 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r63739 10Recount/ (GUI_Main.lua Recount.lua Tracker.lua): |
| 13:02.48 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
| 13:02.48 | CIA-9 | - Added SPELL_SUMMON support for pets and guardians. Should work but needs polish. |
| 13:02.48 | CIA-9 | - Fixed font loading for shared media. |
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| 13:02.54 | Elsia | 1 surv is good for buffs, else BM rock the day |
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| 13:06.50 | sica | I like our pallys with nightfall more :) |
| 13:07.10 | nevcairiel | Elsia: i suppose in SPELL_SUMMON src is the player and dst is the new pet? |
| 13:07.11 | Fisker- | wut |
| 13:07.16 | Fisker- | that axe still used? :o |
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| 13:08.02 | sica | Fisker-: sure, when their healing isn't needed, it speeds up things a lot |
| 13:08.26 | nevcairiel | how is that? |
| 13:08.39 | nevcairiel | i dont get the "a lot" :P |
| 13:08.49 | Grum | <Elsia> insanely expensive for that little a dps gain really <-- i wonder how much dps you loose with the default ammo :P |
| 13:08.52 | Grum | the lvl1 ammo =D |
| 13:09.27 | sica | nevcairiel: 15% more spelldamage taken by the target, amazing on bosses like RoS |
| 13:09.49 | nevcairiel | our mages already pull aggro |
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| 13:09.52 | nevcairiel | in p3 |
| 13:11.07 | sica | yeah, that's why our shamans change totems mid-phase from spelldamage to aggro-reduce |
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| 13:13.34 | qwesto | the Nightfall proc sounds awsome for a paladin tank aswell :) |
| 13:14.13 | CIA-9 | 03pettigrow * r63740 10BigWigs/Sunwell/ (Brutallus.lua Twins.lua): BigWigs: Sunwell: frFR Update |
| 13:15.18 | Fisker- | i'm not comfortable with a paladin tanking with a 2h :P |
| 13:16.01 | qwesto | well, not the weapon, just the proc, someone else will have to do the proccing ;P |
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| 13:16.55 | Elsia | nev: yes |
| 13:17.03 | Elsia | and it also has a spell field for the spell that caused the summon |
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| 13:25.11 | nevcairiel | nifty |
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| 13:32.47 | QuantumDelta | Is skinners latest build borked? Oo |
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| 13:40.34 | Fisker- | SKIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNER |
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| 13:41.10 | QuantumDelta | Just trying to work out if it's something I did, or if jncl borked the live version whilst trying to fix a PTR bug ;p |
| 13:41.40 | QuantumDelta | the reversion upped an hour ago has no functions for frames or ports etc |
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| 13:41.45 | QuantumDelta | it works other than that ;p |
| 13:41.52 | Fisker- | On line 495 |
| 13:42.22 | Fisker- | 2 SOH chars |
| 13:42.27 | Fisker- | which fucks it up |
| 13:43.43 | Fisker- | can someone commit a fix for it? :o |
| 13:44.03 | Chompers | fisker! |
| 13:44.28 | Fisker- | Chompers ! |
| 13:44.39 | Fisker- | I'm the father of your child |
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| 13:46.16 | Chompers | but |
| 13:46.28 | Chompers | my child...is you...from the future |
| 13:47.09 | Fisker- | oh |
| 13:47.10 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:47.12 | Fisker- | whats up? |
| 13:47.33 | QuantumDelta | Fisker- which addon ya talking about? ;p |
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| 13:47.46 | QuantumDelta | cuz if it's skinner we can go stalk jcnl! |
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| 13:48.57 | QuantumDelta | jncl* even apparently I can't type this afternoon |
| 13:49.50 | Fisker- | it's skinner |
| 13:50.36 | Fisker- | you can easily fix it yourself though |
| 13:50.45 | Fisker- | just delete the 2 SOH chars @ line 495 in addonframes.lua |
| 13:51.28 | QuantumDelta | <3, should I still try to let jncl know? :P |
| 13:51.50 | Fisker- | or anyone |
| 13:52.08 | QuantumDelta | apart from haste I don't know anyone else who can update skinner |
| 13:52.10 | Fisker- | should easily be possible for anyone to fix |
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| 14:00.08 | vhaarr | Any wowinterface.com moderators/admins around? |
| 14:00.18 | vhaarr | perhaps I should be asking in some other channel? |
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| 14:02.23 | Josh_Borke | vhaarr: yea, like maybe #wowi-lounge? |
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| 14:02.29 | vhaarr | ah, thank you |
| 14:08.15 | Cryect | <Fisker-> And they haven't progressed far enough to even have the F&F alpha running yet |
| 14:08.31 | Cryect | wasn't scheduled to be open yet anyways |
| 14:10.25 | Grum | F&F btw? |
| 14:10.46 | Josh_Borke | friends and family |
| 14:13.16 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63741 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: |
| 14:13.16 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0 |
| 14:13.16 | CIA-9 | - deDE locale |
| 14:15.07 | CIA-9 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r63742 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: |
| 14:15.07 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0 |
| 14:15.07 | CIA-9 | - convert to chars to ascii codes instead of UTF-8 |
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| 14:16.23 | Fisker- | what say you Cryect? |
| 14:16.52 | phyber | are there any handy functions for checking if an item is Soulbound/BoP or is it Tooltip scanning time? |
| 14:17.30 | Xinhuan | you must scan line 2 and line 3 |
| 14:17.36 | Xinhuan | and match them with globals |
| 14:18.02 | Xinhuan | these globals are |
| 14:18.02 | Xinhuan | ITEM_BIND_QUEST |
| 14:18.05 | Fisker- | Xinhuan go fix skinner :o |
| 14:18.06 | Xinhuan | ITEM_SOULBOUND |
| 14:18.07 | Xinhuan | and |
| 14:18.11 | Xinhuan | ITEM_BIND_ON_PICKUP |
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| 14:18.32 | phyber | cool, thanks :) |
| 14:18.36 | Xinhuan | line 2 and 3 are both necessary because |
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| 14:18.48 | Xinhuan | compare tips will add one line at the top that says "comapring equipped" or something |
| 14:18.59 | Xinhuan | and some conjured items will say "Conjured item" on line 2 |
| 14:19.07 | Xinhuan | before saying BOP on line 3 |
| 14:19.14 | phyber | ah, I don't think any of the items I want to scan are equippable. |
| 14:19.17 | Xinhuan | what do you need this for? |
| 14:19.43 | phyber | I'm writing an addon to add a bit of information to the tooltip about the rep they give with various factions on hand-in. |
| 14:19.57 | phyber | need to scan for Soulbound so that it doesn't show the info for alts if you can't mail them the item. |
| 14:20.15 | Xinhuan | i see |
| 14:21.17 | Xinhuan | i'll still suggest scanning line 2 and 3, and for all 3 of those strings i mentioned |
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| 14:22.10 | nevcairiel | if you generate your own item tooltip, will it ever say "soulbound" ? unless you set it to one specific inventory item, of course |
| 14:22.15 | Xinhuan | but if you already know what items you are looking for |
| 14:22.26 | Xinhuan | you can just make hardcoded list of these soulbound items |
| 14:22.38 | Xinhuan | it will say Bind On Pickup nev |
| 14:22.52 | phyber | yeah, I had it hardcoded before, but thought there would have been some nice function to tell me if it was soulbound instead. |
| 14:22.54 | Xinhuan | hence you need to look for all 3 strings |
| 14:23.07 | Xinhuan | since a tooltip could be generated such as from itemreftooltip |
| 14:23.17 | phyber | ah well, nevermind. *adds the soulbound=true stuff back* |
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| 14:23.56 | Xinhuan | i added a small check to bankitems yesterday to ignore soulbound unstackable items for tooltips |
| 14:28.25 | Elsia | is there any range limit to GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("unit:" .. GUID) or does it work for any unit that has a currently valid GUID? |
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| 14:29.14 | nevcairiel | Elsia: i thought they removed that functionality again? :) |
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| 14:29.43 | Elsia | last thing I heard was they removed HP, but I can run some experiments |
| 14:30.00 | Fisker- | you could use it for crossfaction checking i guess |
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| 14:32.11 | nevcairiel | hm i suppose it still works |
| 14:32.17 | nevcairiel | must've been a rumor i heard =P |
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| 14:43.20 | Elsia | hmm is there code for unit-based tooltip parsing already around? |
| 14:43.43 | Zeksie | Elsia, think the unit: thing only works if the GUID exists and IsVisible() |
| 14:43.53 | Elsia | yeah, but that's good enough for me |
| 14:44.06 | Elsia | definitely only if it still exists, though corpses still work ;) |
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| 14:44.38 | Zeksie | don't assume the same mob tho, it'll also pick up recycled GUIDs |
| 14:44.49 | Elsia | no, the tooltip says corpse |
| 14:45.02 | Zeksie | yes, but the corpse will poof at some point, then the guid can be used again |
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| 14:45.27 | Elsia | i understand that, I just say while the corpse is present the GUID is still valid |
| 14:45.33 | Zeksie | ye |
| 14:48.27 | nevcairiel | blizzard said that GUIDs are only reused on server or instance restart |
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| 14:49.04 | nevcairiel | no on-the-fly recycling |
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| 14:50.04 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63743 10BugSack/ (8 files): BugSack: Nuked the keybindings, they have been nonfunctional for a long time anyway. |
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| 14:53.02 | nevcairiel | there i found the original quote =P http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&postId=44201363100&sid=1#231 |
| 14:53.51 | Fisker- | what does that have to do with being able to make tooltips? |
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| 14:54.50 | Fisker- | oh |
| 14:54.51 | Fisker- | nevermind |
| 14:55.18 | Natherul | since i updated skinner today it stopped skin anything, anyone know any fix to this? |
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| 14:55.23 | Fisker- | it was a trap |
| 14:55.35 | Fisker- | Remove the 2 SOH chars on line 495 of addonframes.lua |
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| 14:56.30 | Natherul | thx fisker |
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| 14:56.52 | Elsia | that's new, google down for me |
| 14:57.02 | Fisker- | ownt |
| 14:57.03 | Fisker- | not here |
| 14:57.10 | jy | google never down |
| 14:58.02 | Matrix110 | if google is down the internet died |
| 14:58.55 | Matrix110 | actually google doesnt work here aswell hmmm |
| 14:59.00 | Matrix110 | guess some DNS crap... |
| 14:59.35 | Elsia | oh nose, the world is ending nau |
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| 15:04.53 | elusif | could someone give me code for a delay before |
| 15:05.00 | elusif | if IsFalling() then equip = true |
| 15:05.09 | elusif | so it won't do it when i jump |
| 15:05.13 | pb_ee1 | telia.com hum... ;p |
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| 15:05.36 | elusif | k |
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| 15:07.30 | Gagorian | elusif: Schedule an event with AceEvent? |
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| 15:12.24 | nevcairiel | can anyone run a dns resolve on en-us.start2.mozilla.com and see if he gets a response? |
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| 15:13.48 | Matrix110 | nope |
| 15:13.51 | selckin | nevcairiel: cname'd to google |
| 15:14.01 | nevcairiel | i dont get any answer |
| 15:14.11 | Matrix110 | dns is fucked here aswell no google page is working |
| 15:14.19 | nevcairiel | googles dns died, eh |
| 15:14.21 | Elsia | googld and mozilla are down from germany at least it seems |
| 15:14.23 | nevcairiel | now thats a new one |
| 15:14.29 | nevcairiel | www.mozilla.com works |
| 15:14.31 | nevcairiel | just google doesnt :D |
| 15:14.43 | Elsia | <Elsia> oh nose, the world is ending nau |
| 15:14.47 | Matrix110 | google.de works from Dubai though |
| 15:14.53 | Matrix110 | but not from germany :D |
| 15:15.02 | Elsia | it's just a routing/DNS issue |
| 15:15.09 | Matrix110 | yeah i know |
| 15:15.15 | nevcairiel | most likely dns |
| 15:15.21 | Elsia | maybe google employees are on strike :P |
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| 15:15.25 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 15:15.51 | nevcairiel | i'm going to the CeBIT tomorrow, i hope the stupid bus drivers dont strike again =P |
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| 15:17.29 | Kuja^ | they do (at least here) |
| 15:17.52 | nevcairiel | yeah today .. but tomorrow? |
| 15:18.02 | nevcairiel | their union only said 4-6 of march |
| 15:18.45 | Kuja^ | well okay, thats a different story here |
| 15:19.03 | Elsia | strikes are a pain in the butt currently |
| 15:19.24 | elusif | Gagorian: i'm afraid i don't quite follow |
| 15:19.27 | Elsia | civil servants, public transportation, trains |
| 15:19.28 | Kuja^ | they won't work till the end of the next week |
| 15:19.29 | elusif | brb |
| 15:19.42 | nevcairiel | i heard the trains are going on strike again too on monday |
| 15:19.46 | nevcairiel | be done with it finally! |
| 15:20.05 | Kuja^ | and the s-bahn does that in the next week, cool that we are writing important tests in this week :/ |
| 15:20.33 | nevcairiel | oh i had the initial GDL strike in my exam week |
| 15:20.35 | nevcairiel | was fun to |
| 15:20.37 | nevcairiel | *too |
| 15:20.39 | Kuja^ | not only s-bahn, but thats the only thing that affects me, besides of the "bvg" :p |
| 15:21.27 | nevcairiel | and i wanted to check google news .. get back here dns! |
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| 15:21.37 | nevcairiel | i cant live without google o.O |
| 15:21.58 | Matrix110 | its already more than 10mins |
| 15:22.03 | Matrix110 | the end is near |
| 15:22.16 | kenlyric | be patient |
| 15:22.20 | kenlyric | skynet is booting |
| 15:22.27 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:22.36 | nevcairiel | anyway, google down is really a new one |
| 15:22.37 | Matrix110 | nevcairiel which ISP? |
| 15:22.44 | nevcairiel | thats like half the internet thats down |
| 15:22.46 | nevcairiel | t-online |
| 15:23.03 | Matrix110 | hmmk its not provider based or location based (besides germany) |
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| 15:23.20 | Matrix110 | what i really find weird though is |
| 15:23.43 | Matrix110 | i cant connect to vent with a IP |
| 15:23.48 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:23.51 | nevcairiel | maybe its down too! |
| 15:23.54 | Matrix110 | so something is really broken |
| 15:23.55 | Matrix110 | nope |
| 15:23.56 | Grum | Does anyone know the mapname for 'Eye of the Storm'? does it happen to be 'NetherstormArena' ? |
| 15:23.59 | Matrix110 | people are on it |
| 15:24.03 | nevcairiel | Grum: probably |
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| 15:24.13 | nevcairiel | maybe some routing hub in germany died |
| 15:24.15 | nevcairiel | hmm |
| 15:24.26 | nevcairiel | that one where google is connected =P |
| 15:24.36 | jy | nevcairiel: what is the ip you cant connect to ? |
| 15:24.45 | Matrix110 | google and my vent server! |
| 15:24.49 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i dont get a dns response :P |
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| 15:25.39 | jy | you should traceroute google |
| 15:25.59 | nevcairiel | doesnt work without a dns response :P |
| 15:26.13 | jy | so its your dns server :p |
| 15:26.20 | jy | do you have any dns response ? |
| 15:26.34 | jy | try opendns |
| 15:26.34 | nevcairiel | sure, just not from google.com or any other google domain |
| 15:26.36 | Elsia | actually for me it's not the DNS server but the first hop out |
| 15:26.48 | Elsia | pathping manages to resolve google.de |
| 15:27.21 | Elsia | looks like a messed up router-table to me |
| 15:27.24 | jy | Our nameservers are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220. |
| 15:27.40 | nevcairiel | whats your google.de ip? |
| 15:27.48 | nevcairiel | i can try to pathping that then |
| 15:28.00 | Elsia | 213.239.59.104 |
| 15:28.28 | Elsia | sorry make that 216. |
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| 15:29.00 | nevcairiel | yeah looks like some router |
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| 15:29.22 | nevcairiel | i get my own hop, my router hop, my remote dialin point hop, first router after that dies |
| 15:29.49 | jy | which isp ? |
| 15:30.26 | nevcairiel | its basicly THE ISP in germany.. german telekom, t-online |
| 15:30.29 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Google-Problem-nur-fuer-Telekom-Kunden/forum-133402/msg-14539449/read/ |
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| 15:31.38 | Elsia | basically a router issue, could actually also be a DNS issue with the IP the DNS returns being wrong |
| 15:31.54 | jy | i saw cogent appear |
| 15:32.07 | nevcairiel | i dont get any dns return on google domains, so i guess routing up to google's dns server is broken too |
| 15:32.08 | jy | its the worse isp |
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| 15:32.21 | nevcairiel | at least on my part |
| 15:32.35 | jy | if your isp use cogent, then its normal :D |
| 15:32.55 | nevcairiel | nah i never see cogent in my trace routes |
| 15:33.12 | Stanzilla | http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.google.de/ < works ^^ |
| 15:33.59 | Stanzilla | working dns servers: 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 |
| 15:34.12 | nevcairiel | t-online has a pretty good network basically, direct backbone uplink to their own US backbone, no shity stuff :p |
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| 15:34.43 | nevcairiel | so i _should_ be able to reach google.com .. |
| 15:34.52 | baer_ | moin. |
| 15:35.49 | Elsia | I'm not complaining actually, first glitch in 3 years, that's fair enough. not like some other crap providers I've had |
| 15:35.58 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 15:36.05 | nevcairiel | people always cry when something breaks |
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| 15:36.13 | nevcairiel | but compared to other providers its quite good |
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| 15:36.32 | Matrix110 | hmmm anyone got a addon with simple acetimer examples? |
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| 15:37.22 | phyber | 1445.02 < Zeksie> yes, but the corpse will poof at some point, then the guid can be used again |
| 15:37.39 | phyber | aren't GUIDs unique until an instance reset? |
| 15:37.39 | maddeathelf | . |
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| 15:37.51 | phyber | or when the same mob repops does it get the same GUID |
| 15:37.52 | nevcairiel | phyber: yes they are |
| 15:37.57 | nevcairiel | (15:48:24) (nevcairiel) blizzard said that GUIDs are only reused on server or instance restart |
| 15:38.13 | phyber | if only i had scrolled down 3 minutes! |
| 15:38.19 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:38.26 | Matrix110 | how long are the guids? |
| 15:38.31 | nevcairiel | 64bit |
| 15:38.34 | Matrix110 | ah ok |
| 15:38.36 | Matrix110 | enough space:P |
| 15:39.12 | maddeathelf | hi all. i'm a bit nooby so sorry if i get annoying quickly! |
| 15:39.15 | Groktar | i just applied to go back to school |
| 15:39.17 | Groktar | >.> |
| 15:39.33 | Groktar | going to finally get that last 12 credits |
| 15:40.17 | maddeathelf | i'm after some help with a fubar plugin if anyone knows their stuff and doesn't mind helping |
| 15:41.58 | maddeathelf | take that as a no :) |
| 15:42.24 | Snago | maddeathelf: just ask your questions.. if anyone know the answer they will speak .P |
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| 15:42.31 | Chompers | ~asktoask |
| 15:42.31 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 15:42.49 | maddeathelf | cheers hehe. like i said. first time here so i dont really know what you guys are like! |
| 15:43.12 | maddeathelf | i'm working on updating bg raid adjust for ab premades etc, and strugglingt oget it hooked into fubar |
| 15:43.37 | maddeathelf | anyone got some sample code, or wouldn't mind looking at my lua file to see where i've gone wrong? |
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| 15:44.26 | Elsia | use http://ace.pastey.net for code samples |
| 15:44.35 | Snago | paste your code here: http://ace.pastey.net/ and I'll take a look |
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| 15:44.48 | maddeathelf | ty |
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| 15:49.51 | maddeathelf | http://ace.pastey.net/83415 it's a bit of a mess atm.... |
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| 15:52.06 | Snago | And what isn't working? You're getting errors or it plain doesn't show up? |
| 15:53.11 | maddeathelf | a couple of errors. first is on mouseover on the fubar icon "..\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar.lua line 1464: attempt to index a nil value" |
| 15:53.37 | maddeathelf | second is on click - "..\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar.lua line 1373: BGRA2: You must be attached to a panel." |
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| 15:54.34 | maddeathelf | and to top it all off it appears twice in rock config / fubar bar config. as if there's 2 of them running if you know what i mean |
| 15:55.06 | maddeathelf | it all works fine, but as it errors there must be something i'm missing |
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| 15:57.57 | doc^blup | how long does it take to get svn access after writing that email? :) |
| 15:58.14 | ulic | doc^blup: depends on how busy they are |
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| 15:58.32 | ulic | I've heard that sometimes they pile up, and do a whole bunch on one day |
| 15:58.50 | ulic | I took me like 2 weeks, but I think he was gone on his honeymoon or something during that time :) |
| 15:59.34 | doc^blup | well, that would hopefully not happen twice^^ |
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| 16:01.35 | Arrowmaster | maddeathelf: you have an icon in your addon dir right? |
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| 16:03.36 | maddeathelf | yeah i do |
| 16:03.41 | maddeathelf | it shows up fine on the menu too |
| 16:03.48 | maddeathelf | on fubar i mean |
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| 16:05.06 | Arrowmaster | try removing the self:Update() from the OnEnable |
| 16:05.20 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63746 10BigWigs_CommonAuras/BigWigs_CommonAuras.toc: BigWigs_CommonAuras: We don't need a DB, settings are saved in the BW DB. |
| 16:05.26 | Arrowmaster | i dont think thats needed and it might be doing bad things if its getting called earlyer than expected |
| 16:05.33 | Snago | What version of FuBar are you using? |
| 16:05.53 | Arrowmaster | also make sure you have FuBar as an optdep or reqdep in your addon toc |
| 16:06.48 | maddeathelf | 3.0 on the version. i'll remove the self:update() too and see what happens |
| 16:06.56 | CIA-9 | 03wang * r63747 10Skinner/AddonFrames.lua: Skinner: fix a unexpected symbol bug coz of typo error |
| 16:07.14 | Stanzilla | Nihao! |
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| 16:07.40 | maddeathelf | how do i set the optdep / reqdep? not tinkered with that yet |
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| 16:08.06 | Arrowmaster | ## Dependencies: FuBar |
| 16:08.30 | Arrowmaster | or ## OptionalDeps: FuBar |
| 16:08.41 | Snago | and you need to restart wow completely after modifying the toc |
| 16:08.47 | Snago | a /rl isn't enough |
| 16:09.27 | maddeathelf | ty i'll do that now. adjusted the self:update() and no change to how it works |
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| 16:11.08 | maddeathelf | no change from the toc update either |
| 16:12.40 | Arrowmaster | ok try changing bgraidadjust.name = "bgraidadjust" to bgraidadjust.name = "FuBar - bgraidadjust" |
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| 16:13.41 | nevcairiel | that should really cause issues? :P |
| 16:13.47 | Arrowmaster | i dont think so |
| 16:14.05 | maddeathelf | hehe it's the same |
| 16:14.59 | maddeathelf | i keep looking a this and wondering if i've missed some code elsewhere |
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| 16:15.00 | Arrowmaster | hmm wait a sec |
| 16:15.01 | maddeathelf | FuBar\FuBar.lua:1464: Panel_OnEnter() |
| 16:15.12 | Arrowmaster | 10:53:37a (maddeathelf) second is on click - "..\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar.lua line 1373: BGRA2: You must be attached to a panel." |
| 16:15.20 | Arrowmaster | if not panel then error(plugin:GetTitle() .. ": You must be attached to a panel.") end |
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| 16:15.48 | Arrowmaster | ingame type /dump bgraidadjust:GetTitle() |
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| 16:16.43 | [Liquidor] | hi |
| 16:16.48 | maddeathelf | "BGRA2",0 |
| 16:17.07 | Arrowmaster | ok whats the addon your making this for? |
| 16:17.17 | Arrowmaster | where can i get it |
| 16:17.26 | Arrowmaster | i think your conflicting with that addon somewhere |
| 16:18.10 | maddeathelf | it's an old version of bgraidadjust i totally revamped and slotted pieces of code in everywhere. currently it's not anywhere but my guild's website. you're after a copy? |
| 16:18.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 16:18.34 | maddeathelf | sec i'll see if i can link it without forum membership |
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| 16:20.11 | Arrowmaster | your not adding fubarplugin-2.0 to this addon are you? your making a new addon to use as a fubarplugin right? |
| 16:20.49 | Natherul | with pitbull anyone else noticed that once you had debuffs on someone and then dont have them as targets anymore u can still see this gray thing that is the time left on the buff...? or any idea how to fix? |
| 16:21.29 | maddeathelf | arrowmaster: not sure what you mean. sorry - like i said i'm pretty new to this |
| 16:21.39 | Arrowmaster | you have 2 addons right? |
| 16:21.54 | Arrowmaster | or just 1? |
| 16:21.57 | maddeathelf | 1 |
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| 16:23.23 | maddeathelf | http://www.aquilaguild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2251#p23356 for the addon |
| 16:24.10 | maddeathelf | feel free to ignore me once you get fed up of my noobishness btw. completely understand if you did :) |
| 16:24.14 | Arrowmaster | got it |
| 16:24.56 | Arrowmaster | ok first rename Icon.tga to icon.tga |
| 16:25.14 | maddeathelf | done |
| 16:25.40 | maddeathelf | reload or restart? |
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| 16:25.49 | Arrowmaster | give me a sec |
| 16:25.51 | maddeathelf | k |
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| 16:26.32 | Arrowmaster | ok found 1 problem |
| 16:26.45 | Arrowmaster | your toc is setup wrong |
| 16:26.48 | maddeathelf | i don't know what i'm doing? |
| 16:26.49 | maddeathelf | oh |
| 16:27.17 | Arrowmaster | you have BGRaidAdjust.lua followed by BGRaidAdjust.xml but inside BGRaidAdjust.xml you are loading BGRaidAdjust.lua, so BGRaidAdjust.lua is called twice |
| 16:27.37 | maddeathelf | aha that would explain the menu problem |
| 16:27.51 | maddeathelf | do i remove the load in .xml? |
| 16:28.10 | Arrowmaster | remove the one in the toc |
| 16:28.27 | maddeathelf | for bgraidadjust.lua? |
| 16:28.29 | Arrowmaster | or remove the one in the xml but put the xml before the lua in the toc |
| 16:28.46 | Snago | and you need to load your libs before BGRaidAdjust.lua |
| 16:28.52 | Arrowmaster | yeah that too |
| 16:29.16 | maddeathelf | k removed .lua from the toc and listed libraries first |
| 16:29.21 | Arrowmaster | move fubarplugin and tablet to the bottem of the list of libs |
| 16:29.41 | Natherul | anyone know how to disable the gray remaning time on buffs and debuffs in pitbull or how to remove the bug to keep showing grey thing where the frame was before? |
| 16:30.22 | maddeathelf | k so libraries first, with fubarplugin and tablet at the end, with bgraidadjust.xml and bgraedit.xml at the end of that |
| 16:30.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah go ahead and try restarting wow now |
| 16:32.02 | maddeathelf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.19 | maddeathelf | on mouseover |
| 16:32.25 | RaydenUni | woah |
| 16:32.39 | RaydenUni | practically all attacks that are not AOE but hit multiple targets will no longer hit CC'd mobs |
| 16:32.53 | Arrowmaster | maddeathelf: line 64, change tablet to Tablet |
| 16:33.05 | maddeathelf | duplicate in fubar options and click not erorr'in anymore though :) |
| 16:33.45 | maddeathelf | erorr'in? i just made up a new word AND spelt it wrong |
| 16:34.11 | Snago | RaydenUni: Like Cleave and Blade Flurry? |
| 16:34.18 | nevcairiel | yay google is back |
| 16:34.22 | ulic | RaydenUni: that's cool |
| 16:34.37 | Arrowmaster | maddeathelf: oh line 74 too |
| 16:34.49 | ulic | RaydenUni: you see this in the 2.4 forum? |
| 16:34.53 | RaydenUni | wowinsider |
| 16:35.01 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/03/05/cleavage-buffed-on-ptr/ |
| 16:35.10 | RaydenUni | cleave, mult shit, swipe, chain lightning, avenger's shield |
| 16:35.16 | RaydenUni | felguard cleave |
| 16:35.21 | sb | multi shit? |
| 16:35.33 | RaydenUni | whirlwind, sweeping strikes, and blade flurry apparently not... |
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| 16:35.42 | RaydenUni | sb it won't be after this patch :D |
| 16:36.01 | maddeathelf | AL a nil value |
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| 16:36.38 | RaydenUni | "Cleavage buffed on ptr" :D |
| 16:36.56 | maddeathelf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.06 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/03/05/kalgan-confirms-the-life-tap-and-flametongue-rollbacks-offers-u/ |
| 16:37.08 | RaydenUni | this is interesting |
| 16:37.19 | RaydenUni | shows what blizzard thinks about each classes use in arena |
| 16:37.22 | RaydenUni | underused or overused |
| 16:37.45 | Arrowmaster | maddeathelf: 67, 70, 73 then remove the AL[ and ] |
| 16:38.21 | Fisker- | Xinhuan |
| 16:38.26 | Xinhuan | Fisker- |
| 16:38.37 | Fisker- | Do you do any kind of distribution by gems |
| 16:38.38 | maddeathelf | something to do with translations? |
| 16:38.40 | Fisker- | or have you ever done that? |
| 16:38.52 | Mellerfal | gems as in rubygems? |
| 16:38.55 | Arrowmaster | maddeathelf: yeah which you dont have any |
| 16:39.00 | Fisker- | gems from MH/BT |
| 16:39.00 | maddeathelf | indeed |
| 16:39.06 | Mellerfal | oh haha |
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| 16:39.47 | Xinhuan | they are fairly evenly distributed |
| 16:39.50 | Xinhuan | but some gems are moe useful |
| 16:40.16 | maddeathelf | Arrowmaster / Snago - you're both heros <3 |
| 16:40.31 | RaydenUni | kara with 10 paladins... |
| 16:40.34 | maddeathelf | it appears to be completely fixed. apart from some obvious coding revisions anyway |
| 16:41.08 | maddeathelf | that's what i get for CTRL+C i suppose. at least i understand a little better now though :) |
| 16:41.34 | Mellerfal | the 10 pals article was interesting |
| 16:42.00 | Mellerfal | i think 10 droods could be even better. all kinds of specs could run almost the whole spectrum of required roles |
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| 16:42.09 | RaydenUni | no more kara attunement? |
| 16:42.10 | RaydenUni | man |
| 16:42.14 | RaydenUni | when was this? |
| 16:42.25 | ulic | RaydenUni: that's old news |
| 16:42.28 | Mellerfal | raydenUni: less than a week ago tho |
| 16:42.32 | ulic | it's even on wowwiki already |
| 16:42.38 | RaydenUni | been pretty busy with finals i guess |
| 16:42.44 | RaydenUni | backlog of wowinsider posts |
| 16:42.51 | Mellerfal | rss reader ftw |
| 16:42.56 | RaydenUni | i have one |
| 16:43.00 | RaydenUni | something like 155 posts |
| 16:43.07 | Mellerfal | schiesse |
| 16:43.19 | RaydenUni | wowinsider has a ridiculous number of posts |
| 16:43.26 | ulic | it's gonna be like Shattered Halls or Arc, you don't need the key to zone in, but you need someone with the key to open the gate. |
| 16:43.26 | Mellerfal | lol want a real backlog? start watching the ace fisheye RSS |
| 16:43.36 | Mellerfal | but yeah |
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| 16:44.23 | Seerah | Prat's been approved, Fin. ;) |
| 16:45.37 | sb | mh - is it possible to run macos leopard within windows vmware? |
| 16:46.03 | Ozguli | oh hell, sw stats isn't the best addon I've seen |
| 16:46.04 | chiper | sb: supposedly |
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| 16:46.21 | chiper | there's a torrent floating around of a premade installer for it |
| 16:46.24 | RaydenUni | lol |
| 16:46.28 | Ozguli | I can't even find a way to make it simply show the dps of the raid members |
| 16:46.41 | RaydenUni | this guy put Fiery on a low level dirk and hands it off to whatever new alt he is leveling for levels 1-10 |
| 16:46.56 | Ozguli | RaydenUni I do that as well |
| 16:46.59 | chiper | Ozguli: it's there. there's a slider for switching display modes |
| 16:47.06 | chiper | not the most intuitive, I know |
| 16:47.07 | Ozguli | slider? |
| 16:47.10 | Elsia | ~seen pp_ee1 |
| 16:47.12 | purl | Elsia: i haven't seen 'pp_ee1' |
| 16:47.18 | Elsia | ~seen pb_ee1 |
| 16:47.19 | purl | pb_ee1 is currently on #wowhead (8h 36m 45s) #wowace (8h 36m 45s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1h 42m 6s, last said: 'telia.com hum... ;p'. |
| 16:47.19 | RaydenUni | they should let you skip 1-10 if you want |
| 16:47.25 | RaydenUni | since it's sort of a tutorial section of the game |
| 16:47.33 | chiper | yeah, he has modes assigned by number, so you use a range slider to switch |
| 16:47.36 | RaydenUni | but i'd like to skip 1-50 or 1-60 too |
| 16:47.41 | RaydenUni | no interesting in levelign really |
| 16:47.52 | chiper | Recount makes SW Stats look so amaturish |
| 16:48.14 | Mellerfal | yeah |
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| 16:48.25 | Ozguli | indeed |
| 16:48.44 | Ozguli | I'd be happy even with Violation |
| 16:48.45 | chiper | RaydenUni: hmm, that's a good idea. |
| 16:48.59 | Fisker- | Ok Xinhuan :P |
| 16:49.07 | Fisker- | Do you get gems after Archimonde in hyjal? |
| 16:49.17 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 16:49.38 | RaydenUni | what chiper skipping levels? |
| 16:49.47 | Elsia | I fixed up SharedMediaAdditionalFonts like SharedMedia, is it OK for me to commit that? |
| 16:50.07 | Ozguli | chiper slider to configure the amount of buttons..? |
| 16:50.24 | Pkekyo| | ~date |
| 16:50.25 | purl | It is now 2008.03.06 16:50:25 GMT |
| 16:50.57 | chiper | Ozguli: there's that too, but there's one for modes. unless it's changed, I havent used SW in months |
| 16:50.58 | Fisker- | How much do gems drop in BT? |
| 16:51.11 | Ozguli | probably changed.. I have v 2.4 |
| 16:51.30 | Chompers | Fisker- do gem drops suck for you? |
| 16:51.31 | chiper | RaydenUni: firey on a low level item |
| 16:51.33 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: not sure but you get more than from hyjal |
| 16:51.36 | Chompers | we were expecting lots, we got 3 |
| 16:51.47 | Fisker- | we haven't been to BT yetr |
| 16:52.21 | Chompers | we went back last night to attune new people, 6 wipes on karathress :/ |
| 16:53.08 | sica | I have around 1 gem drop per 3h solofarming |
| 16:53.37 | kebinusan | how are you solo farming trash in bt |
| 16:54.28 | sica | the trash before mother sharaz, the AE-groups, it's possible to DoT one as shadowpriest and kill it with SW:D - you just have to run to the sewers :) |
| 16:55.02 | kebinusan | heh |
| 16:55.23 | sica | there's a video too, http://www.feign.org/videos/btsolosp.wmv |
| 16:55.45 | sica | a warlock should be able to do it as well |
| 16:55.50 | chiper | yeah, I've heard of BM hunters farming BT |
| 16:56.10 | Grum | lua> print( GetMapContinents() ) |
| 16:56.11 | lua_bot | Grum: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'GetMapContinents' (a nil value) |
| 16:56.14 | Grum | :( |
| 16:56.25 | Grum | what does that one contain? :D |
| 16:56.27 | RaydenUni | i don't want to work |
| 16:56.30 | RaydenUni | i just want to play wow |
| 16:56.48 | Arrowmaster | !api GetMapContinents |
| 16:56.49 | WoWLuaircBot | Arrowmaster: continent_1, continent_2, ..., continent_N = GetMapContinents(); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetMapContinents |
| 16:57.11 | Grum | mmm |
| 16:57.16 | Grum | so i just need the keys |
| 16:58.07 | RagnarKon|AFK | !api SetText |
| 16:58.07 | WoWLuaircBot | RagnarKon|AFK: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you could be so kind as to create one? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetText |
| 16:58.09 | Grum | +'s |
| 16:58.13 | RagnarKon|AFK | mmm |
| 16:58.15 | Lukian | oh baby |
| 16:58.18 | RagnarKon|AFK | I fail |
| 16:58.18 | Lukian | more. |
| 16:58.23 | Grum | doesnt open, prolly not magic word! |
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| 17:02.07 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r63748 10SharedMediaAdditionalFonts/ (7 files in 2 dirs): SharedMediaAdditionalFonts:Mirror treatment from SharedMedia to Register with any library that is present (LSM-3.0, LSM-2.0, SML). |
| 17:02.33 | Xinhuan | i wonder if this LSM thing is getting a bit overboard hehe |
| 17:03.12 | Elsia | well basically any data repository other than SharedMedia and SharedMediaAdditionalFonts is now obsolete I think |
| 17:03.18 | Snago | Xinhuan: probably |
| 17:03.33 | Elsia | and everybody can start using LSM-3.0 without breaking a sweat |
| 17:03.54 | Elsia | funky already deleted sharedmedia-2.0 so that's a first step |
| 17:04.33 | Elsia | just SharedMediaAdditionalFonts-2.0 needs to go now :P |
| 17:05.35 | Snago | What is the differences between LSM-2.0 and LSM-3.0? Is there a LSM-2.0 -> LSM-3.0 convertion howto anywhere? |
| 17:05.49 | Elsia | there is a wiki on LSM-3.0 yeah |
| 17:05.58 | Elsia | ~wiki libsharedmedia-3.0 |
| 17:06.17 | Arrowmaster | LSM-3.0 has the proper callbacks from SML-1.0 that were left out of LSM-2.0 |
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| 17:07.13 | Snago | So no API changes? I can just replace 2 with 3 in my addon and it should work? |
| 17:07.17 | RaydenUni | how come no one lists the shadowmoon tuber quest as one of the worst? |
| 17:07.19 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:07.22 | Arrowmaster | there is api changes |
| 17:07.23 | RaydenUni | that has to be my least favorite quest in the game |
| 17:07.34 | Arrowmaster | which is exactly why the major version had to be changed |
| 17:07.49 | sica | hm, I'm curious, is there some kind of higher instance in wowace development, which decides which lib should replace another, or do addon authors just decide which one fits their addon best? |
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| 17:08.24 | Arrowmaster | yes the community of the experienced devs |
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| 17:08.53 | Elsia | snago: you register callbacks like this: SM.RegisterCallback(Recount, "LibSharedMedia_Registered", "UpdateBarTextures") |
| 17:08.53 | Arrowmaster | when we say a lib has been replaced by another one its replaced and the old one stops getting updates |
| 17:09.13 | Elsia | and there are two to register to: LibSharedMedia_Registered and LibSharedMedia_SetGlobal. |
| 17:09.14 | sica | ah, thank you for the answer :) |
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| 17:09.35 | Elsia | rest is compatible to LSM-2.0 |
| 17:10.14 | Elsia | so basically you ditch that registering to the event LibSharedMedia_SetGlobal and replace it with these two registered callbacks |
| 17:10.42 | Snago | ok, I don't use any events/callbacks so it should be enough to replace the 2 with 3 :) |
| 17:10.58 | Arrowmaster | you should be using the callbacks |
| 17:11.09 | Elsia | if you don't want to get updated for late loading media, yeah, else you need the callbacks to update the media |
| 17:11.10 | Arrowmaster | if you arent then your addon is wrong and buggy |
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| 17:13.11 | Elsia | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/LibSharedMedia-3.0 |
| 17:15.25 | CIA-9 | 03drool * r63749 10Nauticus/ (NautCore.lua NautUI.lua): |
| 17:15.25 | CIA-9 | Nauticus: |
| 17:15.25 | CIA-9 | - warn that cycle data reset is for emergency usage only |
| 17:15.26 | CIA-9 | - fix Titan button update for newer v3.20+ (should be backward compatible) |
| 17:16.07 | Snago | I'm fetching a new list each time that part of the dewdrop menu opens. And setting a global sound don't make sense in this case. |
| 17:16.24 | sb | mhhh |
| 17:16.25 | Lukian | Drool, emergencies? :D |
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| 17:16.49 | sb | iphone sdk will only run on macos? this sucks :( |
| 17:16.51 | Drool | Lukian: just changing the warning message when someone wants to reset the data :) |
| 17:17.02 | Drool | coz ppl may feel like it's a good idea, when it necessarily ain't |
| 17:17.12 | Lukian | Drool, oh btw is there an option to automatically select the transport for the current zone? |
| 17:17.26 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:04] <Elsia> just SharedMediaAdditionalFonts-2.0 needs to go now :P <--there is sharedmedia-blizzard too |
| 17:17.42 | Lukian | perhaps even storing where you came from, if say you want to go theramore -> menethil -> darkshore? |
| 17:17.50 | Drool | lukian: not yet... but there will be |
| 17:17.58 | Lukian | excellent :D |
| 17:18.18 | Drool | well i was thinking it could monitor at which port the char is standing at |
| 17:18.34 | Lukian | bounding coordinates, hmm yeah |
| 17:18.43 | Drool | say if you're standing still and within 25 yards of the docking coords |
| 17:18.51 | Drool | ye |
| 17:19.01 | RagnarKon|AFK | Whats the button IDs again:? |
| 17:19.08 | RagnarKon|AFK | 1-150? |
| 17:19.21 | Lukian | but yeah, even say zoning to booty bay as alliance, there's only one transport for us there, so autoselecting based on zone would be ok in some cases |
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| 17:20.11 | Elsia | sb: got link to iphone sdk news? |
| 17:20.12 | Drool | yea that could work. zone with single transport or closest one |
| 17:20.13 | Arrowmaster | RagnarKon|AFK: 1-120, but i think theres some additional ones now for sepecial things reguarding petbars but im not sure |
| 17:20.26 | zapl|away | btw.. "INSTRUCTIONS for MyMedia.txt" shouldn't use [[Interface\...]] within -[[ comment ]] |
| 17:20.29 | sb | Elsia: no news yet |
| 17:20.31 | RagnarKon|AFK | So how would I get the text from those buttons? |
| 17:20.37 | RagnarKon|AFK | ex 1:GetText() ? |
| 17:20.45 | sb | Elsia: http://www.macscoop.com/articles/2008/03/05/apple-iphone-developers-pay-as-you-go |
| 17:20.55 | sb | but there is something about leopard + sdk :/ |
| 17:21.29 | Elsia | it's supposed to be announced today :P |
| 17:21.36 | sb | i know |
| 17:22.07 | sica | i think it will be some kind of Xcode extension |
| 17:22.36 | Elsia | forced distribution through itunes would suck hard |
| 17:23.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Elsia: fix SharedMedia-Blizzard please? :O |
| 17:23.27 | sag_ich_nicht | (since you fixed AdditionalFonts already :P) |
| 17:23.29 | Elsia | ~seen seerah |
| 17:23.31 | purl | seerah is currently on #wowi-lounge (1h 49m 9s) #wowace (1h 49m 9s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 32m 55s, last said: 'turned out that the Plugins and Extras modules had somehow gotten disabled in the Addons menu which left those menus empty, Funky'. |
| 17:23.46 | Seerah | what's up, Elsia? |
| 17:24.07 | Elsia | how you feel about fixing up sharedmedia-blizzard, or is it ok for me to do it? |
| 17:24.18 | Xinhuan | just do it :) |
| 17:24.31 | Seerah | what's wrong with it? |
| 17:24.58 | Elsia | well sharedmedia and sharedmediaadditionalfonts register to whatever library is present now, so they support SML, LSM-2.0 and LSM-3.0 |
| 17:25.12 | Elsia | it makes double data repositories obsolete, i.e. only one SharedMedia etc |
| 17:25.23 | Elsia | so nothing wrong, just a way to improve it ;) |
| 17:25.26 | Seerah | yeah, I was on vacation for a long weekend and saw that everything went to hell |
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| 17:26.22 | Seerah | you can go ahead and do it, Elsia - I haven't quite caught up yet with the new changes, since I got back last night |
| 17:26.33 | Elsia | alright, I'll do it then, thanks |
| 17:26.37 | Seerah | then I'll post the update to wowi later |
| 17:26.41 | Seerah | thank you :) |
| 17:26.44 | Elsia | coolio |
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| 17:31.03 | Arrowmaster | pb_ee1: ping |
| 17:31.38 | RagnarKon|AFK | Hey Arrowmaster, still not getting on how to add text to an action button |
| 17:32.29 | Arrowmaster | what exactly are you wanting to do? |
| 17:33.00 | RagnarKon|AFK | Just add simple text to an action button |
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| 17:33.33 | RagnarKon|AFK | ie, just adding "test" to an action button |
| 17:33.55 | RagnarKon|AFK | Like in the style of a macro, how it adds the macro name to the button when you place it on ur AB |
| 17:35.24 | Elsia | hmm which addon uses "background" media? |
| 17:35.51 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: some of the unitframes might or is that border |
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| 17:36.41 | Elsia | looks like sltimex does, I'll try that |
| 17:38.42 | Seerah | elsia: eepanels |
| 17:38.54 | Seerah | or cowtip |
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| 17:39.17 | Elsia | ah cowtip, good I have that without grabbing anything |
| 17:40.27 | Fisker- | wang * r63747 Skinner/AddonFrames.lua: Skinner: fix a unexpected symbol bug coz of typo error |
| 17:40.29 | Fisker- | tee hee |
| 17:40.30 | Fisker- | wang |
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| 17:46.43 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r63750 10SharedMedia-Blizzard/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:46.43 | CIA-9 | SharedMedia-Blizzard: |
| 17:46.43 | CIA-9 | - Now registers with whichever shared media library is present (SML, LSM-2.0, LSM-3.0). |
| 17:47.03 | kergoth | wtf is SharedMedia-Blizzard? |
| 17:47.24 | Arrowmaster | useless crap, like all the other SharedMedia* besides SharedMedia |
| 17:47.32 | Anadale | :-) |
| 17:48.17 | durcyn | Elsia: clarify. all SML versions or just the highest? |
| 17:48.25 | Lukian | What Arrowmaster said :D |
| 17:48.35 | Elsia | all that are loaded |
| 17:48.49 | kergoth | i don't get it, i mean, the sharedmedialibs already include the default in wow stuff, no? |
| 17:48.49 | Shadowed | bah damn you people updating libraries |
| 17:48.57 | Elsia | i.e. you have an addon that embeds LSM-2.0 one that embeds SML and one that uses LSM-3.0, they all will get the media |
| 17:49.52 | Elsia | actually sharedmedia contains no backgrounds |
| 17:51.46 | Snago | What if the addons load for example in the order: LSM-3.0, SharedMedia and then LSM-2.0, will the media be registered to LSM-2.0? |
| 17:52.36 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 17:52.59 | kergoth | Elsia: what are you talking about? |
| 17:53.14 | kergoth | oh, i see |
| 17:54.06 | Elsia | sharedmedia-blizzard isn't mine, it's seerah's but it contains some backgrounds that aren't registered elsewhere. I just changed it so it behaves gracefully with all libs of our sharedmedia lib forrest |
| 17:55.02 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 17:55.20 | Antiar1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn1-M5Ze0p8 |
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| 17:59.24 | NeoTron | kergoth: no, there's no tutorial but I think one is needed |
| 17:59.35 | NeoTron | if for no other reason to make me think about how it works >:-) |
| 17:59.53 | NeoTron | last night I definitely realized very clearly that 3 priority levels is NOT enough |
| 18:00.33 | NeoTron | and I also realzied that remarking mid-combat (i.e priority based "unmarking" if a new mob of higher priority appears) is not a good idea |
| 18:01.13 | kergoth | am i right in thinking that for most trash and such, you don't really n eed to mess with the cc category at all, since the cc marks will also follow the tank order, or..? |
| 18:01.45 | NeoTron | it's for trash and such tat you really want the CC stuff specified - few boss fights have any CC of consequence |
| 18:02.20 | Ordog | can i somehow disable that cartographer switches to the current zone after some seconds when i try to browse instance loot? |
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| 18:02.33 | NeoTron | basically you want to order things by priority - kill / cc first should havfe highest priority |
| 18:02.37 | Arrowmaster | Ordog: thats not cartographer |
| 18:02.55 | Ordog | orly? :) |
| 18:02.57 | Arrowmaster | RagnarKon|AFK: http://ace.pastey.net/83428 |
| 18:02.59 | Ordog | what could it be? |
| 18:03.19 | RagnarKon|AFK | Arrowmaster: thanks |
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| 18:03.38 | NeoTron | using it makes me realize that it's confusing at times and that remarking stuff, whether the addon marked it or not, while fighting stuff is bad :P |
| 18:03.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:03.57 | NeoTron | I might add a feature to learn marks from what's currently there |
| 18:03.59 | Arrowmaster | Ordog: do a search on your addons dir for SetMapToCurrentZone() |
| 18:04.04 | CIA-9 | 03laric * r63751 10GridoRA2Layouts/ (GridoRA2Layouts.lua GridoRA2Layouts.toc): GridoRA2Layouts: Updated to reflect changes in oRA2 rev 63125 |
| 18:04.14 | Ordog | hm okay |
| 18:04.16 | NeoTron | i.e if someone else marked a pack while I did loot, and I come when fight is underway don't mess it up |
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| 18:05.18 | kergoth | should every cc'able mob be in the CC category? i kinda got confused when i saw taht you can add cc methods to a 'tank' item. wtb some example use cases given packs of mobs of different sorts :) |
| 18:05.26 | NeoTron | also learned that it sometimes forgot to unmark a mob as "recently marked" (think I'll move to using GetTime and a difference instead of timers) and that for some reason the raid makeup scan didn't complete successfully |
| 18:05.27 | Arrowmaster | Ordog: basicly anything thats calling that function thats not wraped in an 'if not WorldMapFrame:IsVisible() then SetMapToCurrentZone() end' could be doing it |
| 18:05.36 | NeoTron | every more you WANT to cc |
| 18:05.39 | NeoTron | not every mob you can CC |
| 18:06.07 | NeoTron | every mob that CAN have CC should probably have CC-lists configured but ability to CC doesn't mean you wish to CC |
| 18:06.15 | Ordog | loading all addonfiles into scyte atm lol |
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| 18:07.57 | Antiar1 | msnbc.msn.com — The Seattle Biomedical Research Institute will pay volunteers as much as $4,000 to be bitten by mosquitoes infected with malaria. |
| 18:07.59 | Antiar1 | Uhhhh. |
| 18:08.18 | NeoTron | Antiarc: sweet I could use $4000! |
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| 18:11.09 | NivFreak | man |
| 18:11.17 | NivFreak | Mag is going to be a joke in 2.4 |
| 18:11.19 | NeoTron | I'd do it, seems safe enough |
| 18:11.25 | NivFreak | has anyone seen a confirmed list of changes for him? |
| 18:11.30 | NeoTron | I haven't |
| 18:12.04 | RagnarKon|AFK | Arrowmaster: so how would you put text on other buttons besides the main action bar? |
| 18:12.17 | durcyn | the exhaustion buff is removed was the only thing i saw |
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| 18:12.42 | RagnarKon|AFK | Arrowmaster: ActionBarX seems to only work for 1-12 |
| 18:12.55 | NeoTron | durcyn: so basicall no longer need to rotate clickers |
| 18:13.15 | durcyn | NeoTron: five-man magtheridon trade channel pugs inc |
| 18:13.35 | NeoTron | 5-man ... unlikely :P |
| 18:13.48 | NivFreak | durcyn: the cubes were supposed to be reduced to 3 |
| 18:14.00 | NivFreak | but it's unclear if that's, 3 required to banish, or 3 in total |
| 18:14.04 | NeoTron | so they made cleave, swipe, felguard cleave not hit CC targets |
| 18:14.09 | NeoTron | pretty hit |
| 18:14.10 | NeoTron | hot |
| 18:14.39 | NeoTron | too bad FG isn't really viable in many situations anyway because of lack of avoudance like hunter pets and lack of a "healt renew" ability |
| 18:15.14 | Hjalte | Felguards have that 50% chance of avoiding AOE and several lock set bonuses |
| 18:15.15 | NeoTron | basically they realized too many people were too stupid to kill mags that few guilds went there when they stopped having to |
| 18:15.22 | NivFreak | NeoTron: now rogues are crying about bladefury |
| 18:15.56 | NeoTron | Hjalte: the felguard avoidance is useless compared to the hunter avoidance. net effect is in theory the same except the FG often gets oneshotted by aoe's |
| 18:16.00 | NivFreak | I took a new guild to mags last night, with 3 warlocks and 6 healers |
| 18:16.04 | NivFreak | and killed him in 3 attempts |
| 18:16.07 | NivFreak | he's already a joke |
| 18:16.08 | NeoTron | Hjalte: FG = lottery, hunter pet = controlled |
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| 18:16.36 | NeoTron | and "severa lock set bonuses" is minor healing from 2xT5 |
| 18:16.40 | Dashkal | heh. My guild fully intended on just ignoring mag. We're poking into SSC but have never touched mag |
| 18:16.44 | NeoTron | and the resistance from the trinket |
| 18:17.01 | NeoTron | he still dies in about no time at all on encounters like illidari council |
| 18:17.02 | Dashkal | I'm now trying to convince them to go in before the nerf |
| 18:17.16 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia * r63752 10Prescription/Prescription.lua: Prescription: Fix the announce feature, forgot the underscore |
| 18:17.22 | NeoTron | and health funnel is useless |
| 18:17.58 | NivFreak | Dashkal: that's why we went |
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| 18:19.39 | [Liquidor] | TinyTip dead? |
| 18:19.47 | Hjalte | NeoTron: FG is pretty useless, I agree with that. There is however locks raiding with felguard, although I can't imagine they'll ever reach the dps of destruction or help the raid as much as affliction. |
| 18:19.48 | Dashkal | Being rewritten |
| 18:19.57 | [Liquidor] | Got TinyTip on but can't use any slashes and got 2 ToT's |
| 18:19.58 | [Liquidor] | kk |
| 18:20.00 | NeoTron | it's not wide enough for MM |
| 18:20.12 | NeoTron | Hjalte: I hav |
| 18:20.19 | NeoTron | in fact I've raided with FG a lot |
| 18:20.30 | Dashkal | [Liquidor]: From what I've heard said, it's working, but to config for now you have to edit files |
| 18:20.33 | [Liquidor] | Any working TinyTip version around? |
| 18:20.39 | [Liquidor] | Dashkal, kk |
| 18:20.44 | NeoTron | I actually respecced mid-raid last I tried it |
| 18:20.57 | NeoTron | ironically because recount bugged and didn't add my pet to my DPS so I thought I sucked ass :P |
| 18:21.18 | Fisker- | [Ammo] |
| 18:21.23 | Fisker- | can you has suggestion for ora3? |
| 18:21.31 | Fisker- | or blasphemy and madness? |
| 18:21.40 | Arrowmaster | RagnarKon|AFK: ActionButton1-12, BonusActionButton1-12, MultiBarBottomLeft1-12, MultiBarBottomRight1-12, MultiBarRight1-12, MultiBarLeft1-12 i think |
| 18:22.00 | RagnarKon|AFK | Arrowmaster: thanks |
| 18:22.01 | [Liquidor] | Make ora3 auto-send the gm of your guild all your gold when around a mailbox |
| 18:22.10 | Fisker- | I disagree |
| 18:23.21 | Fisker- | hahaha wtf |
| 18:23.39 | Fisker- | Someone has raidassist and ora installed |
| 18:23.43 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.01 | [Liquidor] | most ppl did when ora came out |
| 18:24.03 | RagnarKon|AFK | Arrowmaster: you almost had it but its MultiBarBottomRightButton, MultiBarBottomLeftButton, etc. |
| 18:24.24 | Arrowmaster | copy paste ftl |
| 18:24.27 | Arrowmaster | i knew that |
| 18:24.55 | NeoTron | kergoth: I was so distracted last night working with marking with MM that I forgot to sac my succubus for at least 2 fights |
| 18:26.08 | Hjalte | NeoTron: I have an idea for your next addon! (It includes a warning for when you forget to sacrfice your succubus and checks for when to warn :P) I sometimes do that too, you see :( |
| 18:26.26 | Fisker- | Well maybe he did too [Liquidor] |
| 18:26.32 | Fisker- | his ct_raidassist version is 1.6xx |
| 18:26.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:26.38 | Fisker- | /doublefacepalm |
| 18:26.57 | NeoTron | FGSpec: http://wowwebstats.com/ynugo56hsmb31?s=1379-1572 http://wowwebstats.com/hop3n3ihmlo23?m&s=7886-8177 http://wowwebstats.com/ynugo56hsmb31?s=5987-6293 http://wowwebstats.com/ynugo56hsmb31?s=10516-10746 |
| 18:27.06 | NeoTron | I'm Aminai in those report |
| 18:27.13 | genetik | reminds me.. i need to force one of my raid members to get rid of ctra |
| 18:27.40 | genetik | keeps broadcasting wrong values for his rebirth cooldown |
| 18:27.51 | NeoTron | I mean FG spec clearly works and works well if yoi can keep the pet alive |
| 18:27.59 | NeoTron | I dominate Hyjal trash with FG Spec |
| 18:28.12 | NeoTron | SoC is immensly powerful when linked |
| 18:28.21 | robotusch | lulz Fusker |
| 18:28.51 | kergoth | arg, i can't decide what pet(s) to go with on my latest hunter |
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| 18:29.33 | cncfanatics | anyone know an aproximate release date for 2.4 ? |
| 18:29.55 | RagnarKon|AFK | cncfanatics: Most places I've looked at say ~1 month |
| 18:30.06 | RagnarKon|AFK | My roommate says beginning of April |
| 18:30.11 | cncfanatics | thought so |
| 18:30.19 | cncfanatics | some idiot in my guild thought it was in a week or two |
| 18:30.28 | cncfanatics | I said it was a month :p just wanted to confirm I was right :) |
| 18:30.33 | kergoth | pfft, with as many changes as this has? a week? |
| 18:30.40 | RagnarKon|AFK | But as always, depends on when they finish getting all the bugs worked out |
| 18:30.51 | RagnarKon|AFK | & finish testing |
| 18:35.30 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3111883061&sid=1#0 <-OWNED robotusch |
| 18:35.32 | Fisker- | OWNED |
| 18:35.45 | Dotted | vhaarr ping |
| 18:35.52 | vhaarr | pong |
| 18:35.55 | vhaarr | busy, PM me please |
| 18:36.44 | sag_ich_nicht | is there some addon to check if you have all the stuff you need for raiding? |
| 18:36.55 | sag_ich_nicht | (manapots elixirs etc.) |
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| 18:37.20 | Lukian | sag_ich_nicht, there's one to check that all raiders have that |
| 18:38.01 | robotusch | lol |
| 18:40.37 | dre^ | ora2 has an item check facility... raid leaders can do checks on raid members |
| 18:41.46 | Mudkipz | it's the man trying to spy on you |
| 18:41.51 | Mudkipz | power to the people |
| 18:44.08 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63753 10BigWigs_ZombieFood/ZombieFood.lua: BigWigs_ZombieFood: Bugfix. |
| 18:44.23 | Fisker- | zombiefood eh? |
| 18:44.42 | Lukian | naxx I think |
| 18:44.49 | vhaarr | yes it was made for Gluth |
| 18:45.00 | vhaarr | it just announces who is dazed |
| 18:47.13 | NivFreak | NeoTron: I tried using your mod in TK last night, and ended up having to disable it =/ |
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| 18:48.43 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:37] <Lukian> sag_ich_nicht, there's one to check that all raiders have that <--just need one for myself |
| 18:48.43 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 18:49.12 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:44] <Lukian> naxx I think <--yeah but i use it generally because it's useful :P |
| 18:50.08 | NeoTron | NivFreak: would like to know why :P |
| 18:50.24 | Fisker- | how does one hide/show maintank frames in ora again? |
| 18:50.37 | NivFreak | NeoTron: I'd imagine it was largely user error |
| 18:50.58 | NivFreak | and it's hard to spend the time to work with it while I'm trying to push the raid through trash |
| 18:51.01 | Chompers | rightclick ora2 icon fisker |
| 18:51.08 | Chompers | then look for maintanks, its in there |
| 18:51.14 | NivFreak | NeoTron: having my vent key as alt makes it tricky too :) |
| 18:51.39 | Lukian | sag_ich_nicht, maybe it has a self scan option? |
| 18:51.57 | Lukian | sag_ich_nicht, I'd hope it would anyway, I really like to /scrub target myself :D |
| 18:52.10 | sag_ich_nicht | lawl |
| 18:52.13 | Lukian | Hmm. Scrub talented integration.. |
| 18:52.13 | Fisker- | can't see it Chompers :< |
| 18:52.19 | Lukian | that would be hawt! |
| 18:52.28 | NivFreak | NeoTron: to boil it down, mobs that I wanted marked for CC first were not. |
| 18:52.32 | Fisker- | ah yes it was amount |
| 18:52.38 | Antiarc | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3563/microsoft_excel_revolutionary_3d_.php is the craziest thing I have seen in a long time. |
| 18:52.50 | NeoTron | NivFreak: I had an issue last night where it didn't update the list of raid members correctly |
| 18:52.51 | NivFreak | NeoTron: but I'm sure a lot of that is still me tweaking |
| 18:52.57 | NivFreak | oh |
| 18:52.58 | NivFreak | also |
| 18:53.01 | *** join/#wowace sb (n=sb@dslb-088-067-138-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:53.01 | NeoTron | which cause all sorts of fucked up CC marks (rather it didn't mark anything for CC) |
| 18:53.02 | NivFreak | one bug that I did notice |
| 18:53.10 | NivFreak | it doesn't reuse marks that are on dead targets |
| 18:53.16 | NeoTron | not a bug |
| 18:53.20 | NivFreak | orly |
| 18:53.25 | NivFreak | so I need to clear between packs? |
| 18:53.28 | NeoTron | I won't bother trying to fix that pre-2.4 |
| 18:53.32 | NeoTron | right |
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| 18:53.41 | robotusch | lol, that excel stuff is madness |
| 18:53.45 | NivFreak | that's a little bit painful since it wipes all my marks |
| 18:53.54 | NivFreak | and I often mark a patrol so we can track it |
| 18:54.04 | NeoTron | understood |
| 18:54.12 | NeoTron | growing pains. 2.4 will have proper death tracking |
| 18:54.16 | NivFreak | for sure |
| 18:54.19 | NivFreak | just want to give you feedback |
| 18:54.25 | NeoTron | but for now it's just not worth the amount of effort - it bugs me too though |
| 18:54.44 | NeoTron | another thing that bugged me is remarking of targets mid-fight (add situations especially but also when someone else marked a target) |
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| 18:55.05 | NeoTron | the latter should be fixable once MM can communicate and keep a centralized list |
| 18:55.06 | NivFreak | also, did you change something so that it marks on mouse over without the modifier, or was I just hitting my alt key? |
| 18:55.09 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 18:55.18 | NeoTron | it doesn't mark on mouseover without alt |
| 18:55.21 | NivFreak | k |
| 18:55.28 | NeoTron | it does mark if you target something |
| 18:55.28 | NivFreak | I'm sure it's just my vent key issues then |
| 18:55.37 | NivFreak | oh, one other thing |
| 18:55.43 | NivFreak | so if I mouse over a mob |
| 18:55.46 | NivFreak | and it marks it |
| 18:55.52 | NivFreak | then I hit another mob of higher priority |
| 18:55.53 | NeoTron | really should make a post in the forum, easier to keep track of :) |
| 18:55.56 | NivFreak | it mobs the mark, but doesn't replace it |
| 18:55.56 | kergoth | hmm, i think i have some oddball combination like ctrl-alt-shift-left for my left scroll wheel on my mouse |
| 18:56.00 | NivFreak | so sometimes I have to scan 2-3 times |
| 18:56.03 | NeoTron | right |
| 18:56.04 | kergoth | maybe you should change it to only mark if -only- alt is down |
| 18:56.14 | NeoTron | that is a featur |
| 18:56.22 | NeoTron | i.e that is how it can do prioritized marking at all |
| 18:56.35 | NivFreak | are you going to improve it in 2.4?9$ |
| 18:56.36 | NivFreak | er |
| 18:56.38 | NivFreak | 2.4 |
| 18:56.39 | NeoTron | again will be better in 2.4 when the delay between marking mobs will be a thing of the past |
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| 18:56.50 | NeoTron | and I had an idea of having a pre-scan pass |
| 18:56.55 | NeoTron | followed by an actual mark phase |
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| 18:57.06 | NivFreak | it seems like you could just keep an internal record of what mobs are assigned what marks |
| 18:57.09 | NeoTron | basically a "sweep and mark" to use a popular GC() method (in reverse) |
| 18:57.11 | Dashkal | OMFG yes: Swipe: This ability will no longer strike any secondary targets which are under the effect of crowd-control spells that break on taking damage. i.e. Polymorph, Sap, etc. |
| 18:57.15 | NivFreak | and remark anything that changes as you see a new mob for marking |
| 18:57.25 | Dashkal | I can swipe-tank in the presence of cc... bout time |
| 18:57.33 | NeoTron | I do keep track of it but there are no unique id's today so alas |
| 18:57.51 | NeoTron | I can't make a swep and mark today since it'd see only one of each named mob |
| 18:57.55 | Primer | Dashkal: that just sounds like they're dumbing the game down even more |
| 18:58.19 | Primer | are they going to make pally tank consecrate not do that too? |
| 18:58.23 | NeoTron | kergoth: I figured it was nice to mark by tabbing but in reality it's kind of annoying |
| 18:58.29 | Dashkal | I'll take it. Concecrate no, avenging shield yes |
| 18:58.29 | NivFreak | NeoTron: yea, I meant for 2.4 |
| 18:58.36 | NeoTron | still |
| 18:58.42 | NeoTron | I think there should be two options |
| 18:58.49 | NeoTron | 1) sweep then mark, 2) mark then remark |
| 18:58.54 | NeoTron | leave it to the user which to use |
| 18:59.15 | NivFreak | I'm not sure why the current behavior is desirable |
| 18:59.18 | Dashkal | and cleave (looks like all the "tank 3" skills |
| 18:59.24 | NeoTron | because you want priority marking |
| 18:59.26 | NeoTron | trust me |
| 18:59.37 | NeoTron | and it's faster just to wave the mouse around a few times |
| 18:59.48 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: do I have to mark every target by hand by pressing the mark key? |
| 18:59.51 | NivFreak | but wait, all I'm saying is that if the first mob you marked loses priority, and there are still other marks for it, to change the mark instead of remove it |
| 18:59.57 | Gnarfoz | (in hyjal right now, trying it out) |
| 19:00.00 | NeoTron | a lot of the "pain" in this system today is because a unit doesn't have a unique id |
| 19:00.04 | NeoTron | so there are delays |
| 19:00.10 | NeoTron | I can't do that NivFreak |
| 19:00.19 | NivFreak | in 2.4 |
| 19:00.24 | NivFreak | I know you have limitations in 2.3 |
| 19:00.24 | NeoTron | in 2.4 it is possible if ppl are targeting it |
| 19:00.30 | NeoTron | I can improve it yes |
| 19:00.37 | NivFreak | can you /target by guid in 2.4?9 |
| 19:00.40 | NivFreak | 2.4 |
| 19:00.41 | NivFreak | jesus |
| 19:00.42 | NeoTron | if a mob is unmarked I can remark it in 2.4 if someone is targeting it |
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| 19:01.01 | NeoTron | I assume I have to scan all raidXtarget and do UnitGUID to see if I can find it |
| 19:01.10 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: no you don't |
| 19:01.22 | NivFreak | anyway, just feedback |
| 19:01.23 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: current hold alt + mouse over or just target ... |
| 19:01.25 | NivFreak | I love what you are doing |
| 19:01.31 | NeoTron | latter being of questionable usefulness |
| 19:01.41 | NivFreak | I found targeting to be more effective for my use |
| 19:01.43 | NeoTron | NivFreak: I am not complaining :) I am using it myself and finding pain points |
| 19:02.01 | NeoTron | more options for customized behavior is another TOD |
| 19:02.05 | NivFreak | but it would be nice to have the ability to disable both target and sweeping methods |
| 19:02.13 | NeoTron | we have council/illidan left to kill and then I'm back to hacking it agani |
| 19:02.28 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: ah, ok :) |
| 19:02.54 | NeoTron | tue/wed/thu are raid nights |
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| 19:03.36 | NeoTron | NivFreak: I would suggest making a post in the forum with all feedback |
| 19:03.46 | NeoTron | it'll expose it more plus won't as easily get lost |
| 19:04.04 | NeoTron | one thing I learned, desperately, is that I need to add more levels of debug |
| 19:04.16 | NeoTron | I want at least 3 debug levels |
| 19:04.27 | NeoTron | one that simply tells you why / how it marked a mob |
| 19:04.29 | NivFreak | honestly, the biggest thing that would help me |
| 19:04.35 | NivFreak | is allowing me to create a fake raid makeup |
| 19:04.43 | NivFreak | so I can stand in a raid and test the marking |
| 19:04.52 | NeoTron | without having the raid |
| 19:05.00 | NeoTron | meaning just you and another dude to make it a raid.. |
| 19:05.03 | NeoTron | yes? |
| 19:05.06 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r63754 10CandyBar/CandyBar-2.0/CandyBar-2.0.lua: CandyBar: Get a reference to PaintChips-2.0 if it's loaded after CandyBar. |
| 19:05.07 | NivFreak | yep |
| 19:05.11 | NeoTron | in either case that's easy to do |
| 19:05.16 | NivFreak | and I can say "3 mages, 2 warlocks, 4 hunards" |
| 19:05.17 | NeoTron | in fact |
| 19:05.19 | NivFreak | and sweep |
| 19:05.50 | NeoTron | you can currently just do: raidClassList = { DRUID=3, MAGE=2 [...] } |
| 19:05.59 | NeoTron | because I forgot to make it local after I did the initial debugging |
| 19:06.17 | NeoTron | with a /script that is |
| 19:06.18 | NivFreak | interesting |
| 19:06.19 | NivFreak | haha |
| 19:07.12 | NeoTron | still have no clue WHY it failed to update the list |
| 19:07.24 | NeoTron | I made it rebuidl the class list every time I reset as a mid-raid workaround |
| 19:08.39 | NivFreak | lol |
| 19:08.40 | NivFreak | in WotLK: |
| 19:08.42 | NivFreak | "if you are with low health, the mobs will ask for permission before attacking you"? |
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| 19:08.45 | NivFreak | nice |
| 19:09.05 | Megalon | :DDD |
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| 19:09.31 | ag` | http://cisatbloggers.cisat.jmu.edu/teopacsm/photos/CareBear.jpg |
| 19:09.50 | robo\afk | :O |
| 19:10.09 | robo\afk | Lemme guess, that's you on the right & Fisker- on the left? |
| 19:10.56 | NeoTron | ag`: that is just so very scary |
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| 19:18.28 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: it's marking dead mobs for me oO |
| 19:18.44 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: should I clear raid targets between hyjal trash waves to prevent that? |
| 19:19.28 | NeoTron | it shouldn't mark dead targets |
| 19:19.32 | NeoTron | but might have a bug there |
| 19:19.40 | NeoTron | but yes always need to clear when you're going to mark new stuff |
| 19:20.16 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it wasn't actually marking something dead |
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| 19:20.18 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 19:20.18 | CIA-9 | - Added more vendor information for Tailoring |
| 19:20.18 | CIA-9 | - Vendor list sorted alphabetically, vendor IDs are arbirtary. |
| 19:20.21 | NivFreak | is there any way to get it to not do priority marking in combat? |
| 19:20.26 | Gnarfoz | it just still had one symbol on a mob that died |
| 19:20.32 | NeoTron | NivFreak: not now |
| 19:20.42 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: it doesn't unmark anything, doesn't track deaths |
| 19:20.45 | NivFreak | nothing like it reassigning a mark while you're fighting stuff because you targeted a pat ;) |
| 19:20.45 | Gnarfoz | and didn't re-mark that symbol to a new mob |
| 19:20.49 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: ahh ok |
| 19:21.00 | NeoTron | NivFreak: right that bugged me too |
| 19:21.05 | NeoTron | specifically remarking mid-combat is bad |
| 19:21.10 | NivFreak | yea |
| 19:21.13 | NeoTron | well |
| 19:21.16 | NeoTron | can be bad |
| 19:21.16 | NivFreak | I only want manual marking in combat |
| 19:21.18 | NeoTron | it's not always bad |
| 19:21.20 | NivFreak | in general |
| 19:21.23 | NivFreak | it's tricky though |
| 19:21.27 | NivFreak | if a wave of mobs comes in |
| 19:21.30 | NivFreak | I might want to sweep it |
| 19:21.51 | NeoTron | we had an additional pack pulled in |
| 19:21.56 | NeoTron | and I did a complete reset/remark |
| 19:22.07 | NeoTron | we had 2-3 alive and got 6 more |
| 19:22.42 | NivFreak | you play a lock right? |
| 19:22.47 | NeoTron | essentially there's a lot more work to do and a lot of it depends heavily on 2.4 |
| 19:22.49 | NeoTron | yes |
| 19:22.52 | NivFreak | k |
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| 19:24.54 | NivFreak | I'm excited for 2.4 |
| 19:25.30 | NeoTron | first on my todo list: Increase number of priorities to 6 (5 + ignore) |
| 19:25.53 | NeoTron | secondly: Customize when/how marking is done (i.e in-combat behavior, mark-on-target behavior etc) |
| 19:28.00 | NivFreak | priority 0 - create keybinding for sweep hotkey |
| 19:28.07 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 19:28.38 | NeoTron | I don't know how I'd do it with a key binding so I guess I have to investigate that |
| 19:28.45 | NeoTron | now I just use IsAltKeyDown() |
| 19:29.02 | NivFreak | I also use alt/ctrl/shift as modifiers for taunts |
| 19:29.12 | NivFreak | so any of those can get interesting in combat |
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| 19:34.12 | sb | mh |
| 19:34.16 | sb | Elsia: did you read iphone sdk stuff? |
| 19:34.59 | sb | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/06/notes_from_apples_iphone_software_roadmap_event.html |
| 19:35.54 | sb | heh |
| 19:35.55 | sb | 2:14: To become an iPhone developer: SDK free, but $99 fee to publish applications. |
| 19:35.55 | sb | wtf |
| 19:35.58 | sb | this sucks |
| 19:36.20 | chiper | wait, what? that's not what macrumors says |
| 19:36.53 | sb | 2:10: Developers choose the price of apps. 70 percent of revenues go to the developers. No Credit Card fees. No hosting fees. No marketing fees. Developers paid monthly. |
| 19:36.53 | sb | mh |
| 19:37.00 | sb | but you have to pay 99$!? |
| 19:37.12 | chiper | Freeware developers release for free |
| 19:37.18 | chiper | no penalties |
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| 19:39.42 | chiper | so jailbreaking will still become common, for developers who don't want to pay Apple's premium |
| 19:40.08 | renchap | sb: do you know the price to get a signed symbian app ? |
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| 19:40.53 | Dashkal | Got to love a platform that says "Pay us for the privilege of making it better" |
| 19:41.02 | sb | renchap: no, tell me :o |
| 19:41.13 | renchap | sb: much more than $99 :) |
| 19:41.17 | sb | for 1??? |
| 19:41.38 | sb | well but its possible to distrubuted unsigned apps? |
| 19:41.50 | chiper | Dashkal: yeah, seems counterintuitive to the whole free development platform they've marketed for OSX |
| 19:42.04 | renchap | yes sb, as currently |
| 19:42.18 | sb | hm yes - but its not possible to distrubute unsigned iphone apps |
| 19:42.20 | sb | :o |
| 19:42.35 | renchap | but you must pay $99 if you want official distribution way (to avoid viruses, ...) |
| 19:42.41 | chiper | somebody will hack it |
| 19:42.46 | renchap | you can jailbreak you iphone and do what you want |
| 19:42.57 | sb | i dont want to do that :) |
| 19:43.01 | renchap | but you pay $99 fee, and you develop a killer app |
| 19:43.07 | renchap | you release it for $1 |
| 19:43.08 | Cheads | uhmm does anyone know if Spyglass is supposed to be able to show Talents? |
| 19:43.10 | Dashkal | Lesse: pay a hundred bucks up front for access to apple, then pay 30% of all income to apple |
| 19:43.18 | renchap | and when you get $99, you release it for free |
| 19:43.18 | sb | yup good point |
| 19:43.34 | chiper | that's true, if you make a good program it'll pay for the fee in no time |
| 19:43.44 | renchap | iam sure you can have 130 people giving $1 for your app if it is quite good |
| 19:43.45 | sb | and $99 is some one-time-fee |
| 19:43.48 | sb | so its okay in some way |
| 19:43.49 | renchap | yes |
| 19:43.54 | chiper | especially for early adopters who get their apps on the site quickly |
| 19:43.56 | renchap | to get a signed certificate from apple |
| 19:44.04 | sb | not in a 'i want to code my own pizza timer app' way - but its okay ;) |
| 19:44.15 | chiper | what isnt clear to me is if you have to pay for apps up front, or get to try them |
| 19:44.46 | sb | nah, you have to pay if you want to access the distribution interface (somehow :o) and possibility to distribute your own apps |
| 19:45.02 | sb | "2:11: NO CHARGE FOR FREE APPS." |
| 19:45.06 | sb | free2download :) |
| 19:45.37 | renchap | i hope there will be a "paypal" system |
| 19:45.45 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63756 10LibTalents-1.0/ (. LibTalents-1.0.lua LibTalents-1.0.toc): |
| 19:45.45 | CIA-9 | LibTalents-1.0: Initial Commit |
| 19:45.45 | CIA-9 | - Gets talent information for raid/party. |
| 19:45.58 | renchap | you can get the app for free, but you can pay if you want to help the dev |
| 19:46.05 | chiper | ren: if Apple can charge for stuff via paypal, they should be able to pay out to it as well |
| 19:46.11 | baer_ | test |
| 19:46.20 | sb | hm sounds goood |
| 19:46.24 | sb | time to get a iphone :p |
| 19:46.33 | renchap | i want to say "paypal like" |
| 19:46.41 | chiper | what's funny is, this is all exactly what was on those " |
| 19:46.47 | renchap | like some ace addons :) |
| 19:47.03 | chiper | "leaked" MacWorld keynote address |
| 19:47.36 | chiper | the one that got published to wikipedia a couple days before the keynote |
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| 19:47.50 | chiper | there was a whole section on the iphone SDK, and it matches this word for word |
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| 19:50.11 | mikma | so, will the epicmounts get reduction in the price? |
| 19:51.10 | CIA-9 | 03apoco * r63757 10aX_RaidStatus/ (5 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:51.10 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: Ver 0.6 Beta |
| 19:51.10 | CIA-9 | - Removed: Stupid debug window |
| 19:51.10 | CIA-9 | - Removed: All essence of Syncing (No longer needed) |
| 19:51.10 | CIA-9 | - Removed: UNIT_HEALTH and UNIT_MANA events (No longer needed) |
| 19:51.11 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Alpha Settings |
| 19:51.13 | CIA-9 | - Fix: DPS Health tooltip title now uses localization |
| 19:51.32 | chiper | mikma: why would they? |
| 19:52.06 | mikma | chiper: everyone keeps saying that the prices will drop in 2.4 |
| 19:52.18 | mikma | i just want to tell them to get their facts straight |
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| 19:52.42 | CIA-9 | LibTalents-1.0: |
| 19:52.43 | CIA-9 | - Fix: aX coding that was causing problems (initial debug code lol) |
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| 19:57.03 | chiper | AH market prices will likely go down for some items. gems and large prismatics will probably get cheaper. void crystal price might go up |
| 19:57.24 | NeoTron | frankly I doubt LPS will change too much |
| 19:57.27 | mikma | (i was talking about the epic flying mount) |
| 19:57.28 | NeoTron | it's a cooldown |
| 19:57.42 | NeoTron | blue gems likely will inch down a bit |
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| 20:04.06 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: it's marking things wrong for me, now :< |
| 20:04.51 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: try /script MagicMarker:ScanGroupMembers() |
| 20:05.17 | NeoTron | when I add better levels of debug it'll be possible to see why it marks weirdly |
| 20:06.53 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: seems to work now? :> we removed a mage from the group that wasn't even in the zone, but in the raid |
| 20:07.07 | NeoTron | yes |
| 20:07.14 | NeoTron | scanning doesn't look at that |
| 20:07.26 | NeoTron | so extra ppl in the raid not theer will be counted |
| 20:07.44 | Gnarfoz | it only spazzed out after we removed him |
| 20:07.47 | CIA-9 | 03ackis * r63759 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ (ARL-Tailor.lua ARL-Vendor.lua): |
| 20:07.47 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 20:07.47 | CIA-9 | - Added more vendor information for Tailoring, all pre-BC vendors added for tailoring |
| 20:07.51 | Gnarfoz | it worked before, because I only set 2 sheep marks |
| 20:07.56 | Gnarfoz | symbols, even |
| 20:07.56 | NeoTron | ah |
| 20:08.14 | NeoTron | as I said earlier I had issues with the code not updating after raid changes |
| 20:08.17 | NeoTron | unsure why |
| 20:08.22 | NeoTron | but on my todo to investigate |
| 20:08.37 | NeoTron | did it mark things with tank targets instead of CC? |
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| 20:10.17 | Fisker- | oh lawd apple? |
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| 20:10.33 | Arrowmaster | bah computer fucking crashed while i was coding |
| 20:10.55 | Cheads | ;( |
| 20:13.50 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: yes |
| 20:13.59 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: auto-save ftw |
| 20:15.45 | NightHawkTheSane | heh... http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/013819.html |
| 20:20.05 | Elsia | looks like the iphone dev page by apple is down :P |
| 20:23.44 | Elsia | that's new, portals etc have GUIDs |
| 20:24.06 | Elsia | MSB I.d. 0xF11 |
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| 20:24.09 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 20:24.12 | Arrowmaster | all objects have guids |
| 20:24.15 | Xinhuan | portals have GUIDs? |
| 20:24.21 | Xinhuan | what do you mean |
| 20:24.40 | Elsia | if you cast ritual of refreshment, that portal that you can touch there has a GUID |
| 20:24.46 | Elsia | as part of SPELL_CREATE |
| 20:24.59 | Elsia | let me see if the mob-id resolves to something |
| 20:25.31 | Arrowmaster | mouseover the table and do GetGUID("mouseover") |
| 20:25.46 | Elsia | UnitGUID("mouseover") |
| 20:25.52 | Arrowmaster | whatever |
| 20:25.54 | Elsia | hehe |
| 20:25.58 | Arrowmaster | does it work? |
| 20:26.05 | Xinhuan | :o |
| 20:26.08 | Elsia | I can't make a table, just the portal. I'm solo |
| 20:26.15 | Elsia | but let me grab the GUID of the portal |
| 20:26.42 | Xinhuan | i have an idea, go shattrath and see if those portals have guids too |
| 20:27.11 | Shadowed | I don't think |
| 20:27.19 | Elsia | 0xf11002d9bb0041fb |
| 20:27.21 | Shadowed | people have realized that making a talent library is basically useless |
| 20:27.33 | Xinhuan | talent lib? |
| 20:27.35 | Xinhuan | for? |
| 20:27.46 | Shadowed | [11:45:25] <CIA-9> apoco * r63756 LibTalents-1.0/ (. LibTalents-1.0.lua LibTalents-1.0.toc): |
| 20:27.49 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: whered you pull the overlay data for Mapsters FogClear? |
| 20:28.12 | Shadowed | It doesn't do anything useful |
| 20:28.25 | Xinhuan | what does it do |
| 20:28.39 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: you can parse them once you actually discovered the map |
| 20:28.56 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i got a better idea, i can pull them from the mpqs =D |
| 20:29.07 | Shadowed | dunno, it looks like it basically does the same thing as Remembrance |
| 20:29.10 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 20:29.11 | Arrowmaster | ## Notes: Raid/Party Talent Information Gathering |
| 20:29.15 | Shadowed | but with like 5 times more lines |
| 20:29.30 | erzy | Any raid frames that only got name and showing if the person is dead or alive? |
| 20:29.49 | Elsia | 2d9bb doesn't seem to resolve to any mobid that wowhead knows |
| 20:29.59 | erzy | any suggestions? |
| 20:30.18 | Xinhuan | where did you get that id |
| 20:30.24 | Elsia | sec |
| 20:30.54 | Elsia | 3/6 21:26:50.062 SPELL_CREATE,0x0000000000998F0E,"Tiwa",0x511,0xF11002D9BB0041FB,"Refreshment Portal",0x4228,43987,"Ritual of Refreshment",0x40 |
| 20:30.59 | Shadowed | "Hashidou's Grounding Totem summons Grounding Totem" |
| 20:31.02 | Shadowed | thats an odd combat log text |
| 20:31.22 | Elsia | SPELL_SUMMON are odd for totems for now |
| 20:31.22 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: but my list is pretty much complete, why pull from the dbc ? :P |
| 20:31.33 | Arrowmaster | because i can? |
| 20:31.38 | Elsia | already asked alex if they change it to Shaman summons Grounding Totem. |
| 20:31.48 | Xinhuan | maybe that's an ID for refreshment tables? |
| 20:31.51 | Xinhuan | whicha ren't mobs |
| 20:31.57 | nevcairiel | i can do anything i want, i dont do everything tho |
| 20:32.03 | Elsia | the reason for this is that the format is Shaman's spell summons guardian. but spell and guardian have the same name. |
| 20:32.34 | Elsia | xin: notice the F11? that's a yet unknown GUID MSB |
| 20:33.14 | Xinhuan | maybe F11 signifies it isn't a mob |
| 20:33.16 | Elsia | in fact strictly speaking this is the GUID for the refreshment portal, the table may get a second SPELL_CREATE, but I won't know until I can get helpers to actually summon one ;) |
| 20:33.22 | Elsia | likely |
| 20:33.32 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: did you say UnitGUID("mouseover") worked on it? |
| 20:33.44 | Elsia | haven't tried |
| 20:34.12 | Elsia | they have a tooltip though but I doubt that they have a unitid |
| 20:34.25 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 20:35.14 | Arrowmaster | ItemRefTooltip:SetHyperlink("unit:0xF11002D9BB0041FB") |
| 20:36.29 | Elsia | my guess is that any clickable object in the world has an F11 GUID, chests quest objects etc |
| 20:37.01 | Elsia | but we only directly get them for objects that an NPC/Player creates via a spell |
| 20:38.42 | Elsia | any 2 people on EU PVE PTR alliance side who could help me summon a refreshment table? |
| 20:40.06 | jy | Elsia: queldanas ? |
| 20:40.30 | cladhaire | Elsia: what zone? |
| 20:40.41 | jy | btw is there any alterac running on ptr ? |
| 20:40.44 | Elsia | currently in stormwind, but a mage travels fast |
| 20:40.50 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 20:40.53 | Xinhuan | i have a theory |
| 20:40.59 | jy | mmh cant connect |
| 20:41.00 | Xinhuan | that maybe ANY object that generates a tooltip on mouseover |
| 20:41.02 | cladhaire | well mine would be level 1, so i'd have to run |
| 20:41.05 | Xinhuan | has a GUID |
| 20:41.13 | Diao | hooray for blackrock crashing while in an arena : |
| 20:41.14 | Diao | :(* |
| 20:41.17 | Diao | hope i didn't lose points for that game |
| 20:41.19 | Xinhuan | lol diao |
| 20:41.20 | Elsia | xin: i'd think so too |
| 20:41.20 | Xinhuan | yah |
| 20:41.23 | Xinhuan | i was prospecting |
| 20:41.25 | Xinhuan | and it lagged |
| 20:41.27 | Xinhuan | for 2 minutes |
| 20:41.32 | Diao | lol |
| 20:41.33 | Xinhuan | server froze |
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| 20:41.39 | jy | ptr auth has problems |
| 20:41.41 | Elsia | clad: I can come to where you are |
| 20:41.44 | Diao | i was in the middle of chasing down a couple rogues |
| 20:41.46 | Diao | and bam |
| 20:41.48 | Diao | everyone stops moving |
| 20:41.51 | Diao | then a couple min later i get dced |
| 20:41.54 | cladhaire | i'll need a minute to log in, just tell me what race |
| 20:42.03 | Elsia | pick human |
| 20:42.07 | cladhaire | k |
| 20:42.17 | Elsia | still need 1 more for PTR pve eu alliance side test |
| 20:42.22 | cladhaire | logging in now, name cladhaire |
| 20:42.25 | Elsia | k |
| 20:42.51 | Chompers | elsia, i can help |
| 20:43.03 | Chompers | mid raid, so its gotta be quick |
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| 20:43.56 | Elsia | where are you? and what name? |
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| 20:44.07 | Chompers | Chomp, i can hearth to shatt |
| 20:44.23 | Elsia | can you take the portal to stormwind? |
| 20:44.27 | Chompers | just applying new patches |
| 20:44.28 | Chompers | sur |
| 20:44.29 | Chompers | e |
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| 20:45.48 | Elsia | chomp: got 2 already, so no rush |
| 20:46.03 | Chompers | ah okay |
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| 20:50.46 | Xinhuan | lag again |
| 20:52.06 | Elsia | alright, no further combat log events for refreshment table summon, just the SPELL_CREATE for the refreshment portal |
| 20:52.36 | sb | nevcairiel: could you implement an option to disable the possess bar? :o |
| 20:53.10 | CIA-9 | 03pettigrow 072.4 * r63760 10Omen/Modules/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Omen: frFR Update |
| 20:54.11 | NivFreak | why doesn't bigwigs have flash & shake stuff enabled by default? |
| 20:54.45 | Arrowmaster | because people dont want it by default? |
| 20:55.27 | CIA-9 | 03peragor 07AutoLayout * r63761 10Grid/Grid/GridLayout.lua: |
| 20:55.27 | CIA-9 | Grid: |
| 20:55.27 | CIA-9 | - Sorting by role also sorts by class. It's also a smooth sort rather then multiple groupindexes. |
| 20:55.46 | Xinhuan | more like people dont' know it is there at all |
| 20:55.52 | Xinhuan | as they usually don't look at the options |
| 20:56.36 | Xinhuan | ask half your guild "turn on flash'n'shake" and they will probably tell you HUH |
| 20:56.49 | dre^ | personally I get a lot more from the audio feedback than the visual |
| 20:57.25 | dre^ | especially since volume of sounds produced by mods is on a separaate volume slider from other game sound effects |
| 20:58.13 | Xinhuan | that would depending entirely on whether PlaySoundFile or PlaySound is used i think |
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| 20:58.56 | dre^ | could be. all the mods I care about, at least, seem to be discrete from built-in sounds |
| 20:59.11 | Arrowmaster | its different than the sfx |
| 20:59.12 | dre^ | I'm guessing PlaySoundFile is that mechanism |
| 20:59.24 | dre^ | since i use that in my own sound-playing mod to get that behavior |
| 20:59.35 | Arrowmaster | but all ui generated sounds are on the same level, unless they use the mucic funcs |
| 20:59.58 | dre^ | yeah, I'm very glad for that |
| 21:00.07 | dre^ | ultimately Id like a mixer, but that's probably asking a lot |
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| 21:00.42 | NeoTron | flash and shake => win |
| 21:00.49 | NeoTron | makes it so you don't have to pay attention |
| 21:01.03 | NeoTron | I need something that continuously shakes my screen when I don't have a pet sacced though :P |
| 21:01.12 | Judderman | Hi guys come for a little bit of advice, is there a wowace mod that will play a simple sound everytime i get a whisper or tell, i'm a nightmare for checking and it would be nice? |
| 21:01.27 | NivFreak | back to the flash and shake thing |
| 21:01.27 | dre^ | Jodderman have you tried wim? |
| 21:01.34 | NivFreak | the people it's going to help most |
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| 21:01.36 | chexsum_ | ~prat |
| 21:01.37 | purl | prat is probably either A - british slang for 'A fool, idiot or objectionable person', B - the swedish word for 'chat, chatter or talk', or C - an Ace 2 World of Warcraft addon |
| 21:01.39 | NivFreak | are the ones that don't know how to turn it on |
| 21:01.41 | NivFreak | :P |
| 21:01.56 | Judderman | i've looked at wim, looks a little complicated for what i need |
| 21:01.56 | NivFreak | the people who don't need it, can and will turn it off |
| 21:01.57 | dre^ | wow instant messanger. it's a pretty uh... large-ish mod, but it's pretty great for dealing with chat in game, in my opinion |
| 21:02.11 | chexsum_ | prat does it |
| 21:02.15 | NivFreak | dre^: I had to start using WIM |
| 21:02.27 | NeoTron | I stopped using WIM because I got tired of one-window-per-chatter |
| 21:02.30 | Judderman | prat does sound notifications? |
| 21:02.32 | NivFreak | I needed tabbed messages with history |
| 21:02.32 | NeoTron | does it have tabs now? |
| 21:02.38 | NivFreak | NeoTron: yea |
| 21:02.45 | Judderman | cheers will check it out |
| 21:02.48 | NivFreak | it's great for me |
| 21:02.49 | chexsum_ | judd, yes |
| 21:02.50 | dre^ | if you just wanted to attach a sound to messages... well, I could give you some very basic code that lets you assign sounds to events that happen in game, so you'd just need to know the names of the events that fire when you get a message (which is all in the api reference) |
| 21:02.52 | Xinhuan | i have mastered the technique of having 6 or 7 simultaeneous conversations at the same time on the default chat UI |
| 21:02.56 | NivFreak | being GM/RL again really upped my whisper traffic |
| 21:03.02 | Xinhuan | so i have no use for any chat addon |
| 21:03.03 | NivFreak | it's like an hour of responses after a raid |
| 21:03.07 | NivFreak | couldn't keep track without WIM |
| 21:03.55 | Xinhuan | i just have a seperate whisper tab |
| 21:04.15 | Diao | i prefer wim because it hides whispers in combat |
| 21:04.18 | Diao | :D |
| 21:04.22 | dre^ | yeah no doubt |
| 21:04.33 | dre^ | it needs to learn to pop them up after combat though |
| 21:04.37 | Xinhuan | hiding whispers sounds like an annoying feature |
| 21:04.59 | dre^ | you still see the whisper in your console |
| 21:05.04 | dre^ | you just don't get a popup window |
| 21:05.10 | dre^ | so 'hide' is a relative term |
| 21:05.13 | dre^ | 'not show' is more accurate |
| 21:05.19 | Judderman | ahh another thing will i need in game sound enabled as i dont want that |
| 21:05.47 | dre^ | judderman: you can have mods that produce sound which is controlled separate from in-game sound effects |
| 21:05.53 | Diao | well i disable whispers in the default chatframe |
| 21:05.56 | Diao | it's all handled by wim |
| 21:05.58 | dre^ | as long as the mod uses PlaySoundFile as the mechanism for triggering the sound |
| 21:06.25 | Judderman | well i'll give prat a go |
| 21:08.06 | jsn287 | Anyone know the mod that tracks your CD's that has a blue bar with the big yellow numbers in it and beside the bar is the icon of the cooldown? |
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| 21:08.54 | Diao | big yellow numbers o_o |
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| 21:09.02 | jsn287 | lol... dont know how else to explain ti |
| 21:09.09 | jsn287 | i know a few videos its used in |
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| 21:12.06 | Cartas | Haste Haste Haste. |
| 21:12.14 | haste | hello |
| 21:12.18 | Cartas | :O! |
| 21:12.19 | Cartas | Hi old chap! <3 |
| 21:12.24 | haste | haroo |
| 21:12.30 | Cartas | Where've you been, hm? |
| 21:12.40 | haste | :o ? |
| 21:12.54 | Cartas | I haven't spoken to you for ages. |
| 21:13.10 | Cartas | Logic says that means you've not been around! |
| 21:13.19 | haste | lies |
| 21:13.27 | Cartas | Hehe. |
| 21:13.35 | Cartas | You still making addons? |
| 21:13.40 | Cartas | I haven't played WoW for ages...! |
| 21:13.53 | haste | yes :3 |
| 21:14.18 | Cartas | Finished any yet? Haha. |
| 21:14.32 | Silowyi | I keep expecting ckknight to make a library or addon called "RockCandy" |
| 21:14.41 | ckknight | why? |
| 21:14.49 | Silowyi | no reason |
| 21:14.56 | Cartas | You're cool like that, CK! |
| 21:15.05 | Silowyi | The question is what would it do... |
| 21:15.12 | Cartas | Just randomly making up names that Silowyi randomly thinks of. |
| 21:15.15 | Diao | be like candybars |
| 21:15.18 | Diao | except rock based? |
| 21:15.20 | Xinhuan | there's already a library called CandyBar |
| 21:15.32 | Diao | yeah |
| 21:15.35 | Diao | that's what i was referring to :P |
| 21:15.39 | Xinhuan | used by Bigwigs and CooldownTimers2 and many others |
| 21:15.44 | Xinhuan | to create countdown bars |
| 21:15.54 | Cartas | Rock is more cylindrical than bar-shaped though. |
| 21:16.10 | Silowyi | maybe it could be a cooldown sphere |
| 21:16.20 | Diao | sigh |
| 21:16.22 | Silowyi | kind of like the day/night indicator on expensive watches |
| 21:16.27 | Diao | wtb blackrock back up |
| 21:16.34 | Cartas | Kind of like the clock-effect on buttons? |
| 21:16.42 | Cartas | I think that's already in the game. |
| 21:16.42 | Silowyi | or that |
| 21:17.27 | Xinhuan | its not down diao |
| 21:17.33 | Diao | wtf |
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| 21:17.38 | Diao | everytime i try to login |
| 21:17.42 | Diao | it tells me blackrock is down |
| 21:17.53 | Xinhuan | doesn't like you |
| 21:18.02 | Xinhuan | i just finished AHing 103 gems |
| 21:19.27 | Diao | realm selection |
| 21:19.34 | Diao | "blackrock 8 characters offline" |
| 21:19.35 | Diao | :( |
| 21:20.29 | Xinhuan | outlands is up, ironforge is up |
| 21:20.31 | Fisker- | n00b robotusch |
| 21:20.39 | Fisker- | people have actually been flat out permbanned for it |
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| 21:23.08 | Xinhuan | ROFL |
| 21:23.15 | Xinhuan | [Server] Restart in 15:00 |
| 21:23.24 | Judderman | prat works well, thanks for all your help guys |
| 21:24.38 | Xinhuan | [Server] Restart in 15:00 <-- then |
| 21:24.44 | Xinhuan | [Server] Shutdown in 5:00 |
| 21:24.51 | Xinhuan | T_T |
| 21:24.55 | Keias | Good! |
| 21:25.00 | Keias | Now maybe I can connect :( |
| 21:25.07 | Diao | lol |
| 21:25.11 | Diao | see! |
| 21:25.13 | Xinhuan | shutdown and restart has different connotations |
| 21:25.13 | Diao | i wasn't the only one |
| 21:26.23 | Cartas | Hm, to restart is to shut down and then turn back on again, really, Xinhuan! |
| 21:26.28 | Cartas | Shutting down is part of the restarting process! |
| 21:26.33 | Keias | lol |
| 21:26.50 | Keias | Either way, it's a step in the right direction for people to connect in the near future :P |
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| 21:27.18 | Xinhuan | T_T |
| 21:27.33 | Cartas | Yes Xinhuan, take that! |
| 21:27.41 | Cartas | You are obviously out of your league! |
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| 21:27.51 | Xinhuan | at least i wasn't in the middle of a heroic |
| 21:28.05 | Cartas | I wasn't either! |
| 21:28.13 | Pkekyo| | "I'm not a very good american, because I like to form my own opinions..." ^^ |
| 21:28.37 | Xinhuan | wait a min, i wasn't aware we have so many blackrockians on this channel |
| 21:28.48 | Pkekyo| | blackrockians? |
| 21:28.50 | Cartas | Racism!" |
| 21:29.02 | Diao | lol |
| 21:29.15 | Diao | Keias is one of my guildies :D |
| 21:29.23 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63762 10BigWigs/Prototype.lua: BigWigs: Prototype: Swap icon and sound args for If and local message |
| 21:29.49 | Keias | Estil too |
| 21:30.10 | Pkekyo| | fagballs :O |
| 21:30.29 | Pkekyo| | bwahah |
| 21:30.29 | Pkekyo| | george carlin is fucking awesome |
| 21:30.39 | Keias | He is |
| 21:30.41 | genetik | i can't wait for his new special |
| 21:30.45 | Xinhuan | wow blackrock is up |
| 21:30.55 | Pkekyo| | it's due this year, isn't it? |
| 21:31.47 | Pkekyo| | gonna be fucking golden |
| 21:32.14 | Cartas | :o |
| 21:32.15 | Cartas | Pkekyo|! |
| 21:32.17 | Cartas | Are you an Americanski? |
| 21:32.25 | Pkekyo| | njet :< |
| 21:32.27 | genetik | next weekend, Pkekyo| |
| 21:32.32 | Pkekyo| | genetik: WHAT?! |
| 21:32.34 | Pkekyo| | seriously?! |
| 21:32.40 | Cartas | Was that a subtle hint toward you being Russian? |
| 21:32.48 | genetik | http://www.hbo.com/events/george-carlin/index.html |
| 21:32.53 | Pkekyo| | nyet* is the proper spelling, actually...methinks |
| 21:33.01 | genetik | oh shit.. it was this past weekend |
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| 21:33.08 | Pkekyo| | bollocks |
| 21:33.16 | genetik | heh |
| 21:33.30 | Cartas | Is Carlin big in the USA then? :o |
| 21:33.32 | Diao | нет |
| 21:33.33 | Diao | ! |
| 21:33.41 | Pkekyo| | don't think he is that big in the US tbh |
| 21:34.03 | Pkekyo| | not as big as he used to anyways...lately it seems it've been more of a underground fan culture based in europe |
| 21:34.07 | Cartas | I know he's not big at all in England, as far as I know. :o |
| 21:34.15 | Cartas | I don't know anyone who knows of him, except me and my brother. |
| 21:34.23 | Pkekyo| | brits are arsehats :p |
| 21:34.26 | Cartas | Thanks old chap. |
| 21:34.35 | genetik | i went to see him live last year. it was awesome |
| 21:34.43 | Pkekyo| | my pleasure, lad ;) |
| 21:34.45 | Cartas | He does swear a bit too much, I think. |
| 21:34.55 | Cartas | Didn't you say: "I'm not a very good american, because I like to form my own opinions..." ^^ |
| 21:35.01 | Keias | Carlin used to be HUGE in America |
| 21:35.03 | Cartas | Shows how bad Americanskis are! |
| 21:35.06 | Keias | And he'll still draw a monstrous crowd |
| 21:35.10 | Diao | ouch |
| 21:35.11 | Diao | lost 16 points |
| 21:35.13 | Diao | from dcing in arena |
| 21:35.15 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: that's a george carlin quote ;) |
| 21:35.16 | Keias | But he is pretty obscure now |
| 21:35.17 | Diao | should've been a draw imo |
| 21:35.21 | Cartas | I guessed that! :p |
| 21:35.25 | Keias | Since America cares more about pop culture than actual talent. |
| 21:35.28 | genetik | yeah, when i went to see him in a pretty large venue, it was sold out |
| 21:35.30 | Pkekyo| | if I could get a ticket for that show I would get on a direct flight from london next friday lol |
| 21:35.41 | Cartas | Why from London if you're a Russian? :o |
| 21:35.44 | Cartas | lol |
| 21:35.52 | Shadowed | $$ |
| 21:35.54 | Pkekyo| | would've given sooooo much to be there for a live show |
| 21:35.58 | Shadowed | At SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS firing on insta casts now |
| 21:35.59 | Pkekyo| | I'm no bloody russian |
| 21:36.06 | Cartas | You're a communist spy, eh? |
| 21:36.08 | Keias | I hope I can see Carlin live before he dies :( |
| 21:36.10 | Keias | That'd be awesome |
| 21:36.13 | Pkekyo| | when the sodding hell did I say I was russian? |
| 21:36.18 | Pkekyo| | indeed, that's my dream :p |
| 21:36.23 | Cartas | To be a Russian? |
| 21:36.28 | Cartas | That's every young boy's dream these days. |
| 21:36.30 | Keias | lol |
| 21:36.32 | genetik | Keias: that was the reason i spent the money to go see him. hell, he's already had like 3 heart attacks |
| 21:36.34 | Cartas | I'll let you off then, old chap. |
| 21:36.36 | Keias | Yep |
| 21:36.44 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: to see a george carlin show before he dies |
| 21:36.47 | Keias | I wanted to see Pryor too, but he kinda fucked himself up ages before I was old enough |
| 21:36.59 | Cartas | I know that, you don't have to explain everything as though I'm so stupid, hehe. |
| 21:37.14 | Cartas | He does seem like a very stressful person, no wonder he had the heart attacks! |
| 21:37.19 | genetik | heh |
| 21:37.41 | Pkekyo| | I'd rather say it was due to ages of drug abuse rather than being stressed tbh |
| 21:38.12 | Pkekyo| | it's impressive how he keeps going on though...not many would've done that |
| 21:38.22 | Pkekyo| | what a fucking attention whore :p |
| 21:39.09 | Pkekyo| | <--- bought the DVD collection of all his HBO specials |
| 21:39.19 | Pkekyo| | had to bloody import it from the states >.< |
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| 21:39.35 | Cartas | I've only watched him on Youtube, unfortunately. |
| 21:39.56 | Pkekyo| | go ebay; buy "George Carlin: All My Stuff" |
| 21:40.04 | Pkekyo| | it's well worth it imo |
| 21:40.08 | Cartas | Hm, never bought anything from eBay before! :O |
| 21:40.29 | Pkekyo| | neither did I, until I found that DVD box p |
| 21:40.30 | Pkekyo| | :p |
| 21:40.49 | Pkekyo| | customs fucking shredded me...boosted the price by like 30-35% |
| 21:41.06 | Pkekyo| | fucking chavs, all of'em |
| 21:41.30 | Cartas | Really? |
| 21:41.38 | Cartas | I think most people in the country are chavs nowadays. |
| 21:41.45 | Pkekyo| | x) |
| 21:41.52 | Cartas | Where do you live, old chap? |
| 21:42.01 | Cartas | Manchester for me, unfortunately...! :'( |
| 21:42.28 | Pkekyo| | me? |
| 21:42.37 | Cartas | Yeppers. |
| 21:42.38 | Pkekyo| | Molde |
| 21:43.00 | Cartas | In Norway, eh? :p |
| 21:43.03 | Pkekyo| | jes |
| 21:43.07 | Pkekyo| | google much? ;> |
| 21:43.16 | Cartas | Googlepedia! <3 |
| 21:43.23 | Cartas | Best invention ever. |
| 21:43.28 | Pkekyo| | going to london monday |
| 21:43.34 | Cartas | Why's that? |
| 21:43.39 | Pkekyo| | class trip |
| 21:43.43 | Pkekyo| | :> |
| 21:43.59 | Cartas | Oh, what're you studying? |
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| 21:44.26 | Pkekyo| | "Get on the plane, get on the plane! |
| 21:44.26 | Pkekyo| | - Fuck you, I'm getting -in- the plane! Let Evil Knevil get ON the plane!" :P |
| 21:44.48 | Pkekyo| | third and last year of Media and Communications...going for informationtechnology next year... |
| 21:44.59 | Cartas | University, is that? |
| 21:45.21 | Pkekyo| | well, informationtechnology in two years, gonna work for a year, methinks...after that webdevelopment/programming or graphical design/photography |
| 21:45.34 | Pkekyo| | nah, haven't gotten that far yet |
| 21:45.34 | Cartas | What languages do you know? |
| 21:46.15 | Pkekyo| | English (duh), Norwegian, French, Swedish and Danish (blar), and some very limited german |
| 21:46.26 | Cartas | I meant programming-wise, haha. |
| 21:46.32 | Cartas | Du ar min lilla badanka. |
| 21:46.36 | Pkekyo| | aah |
| 21:46.41 | Cartas | Do I get 10/10 for my Swedish, old chap? |
| 21:46.42 | Pkekyo| | none tbh |
| 21:46.55 | Pkekyo| | nah, l2 ã, and also..badanka? wtf |
| 21:47.00 | NeoTron | Nej, du missade är |
| 21:47.04 | Pkekyo| | ä ** |
| 21:47.09 | Cartas | I can't type that on my keyboard! :$ |
| 21:47.10 | NeoTron | badanka is a bath duck, or rather, a rubberduckie |
| 21:47.18 | Pkekyo| | for teh lulz |
| 21:47.23 | Cartas | I don't know much swedish. |
| 21:47.28 | Cartas | But I know how to say 'bath duck'. |
| 21:47.32 | Cartas | Important wordings! |
| 21:47.41 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: you need to learn 'slicka mina pungkulor, bögiga fittjävel' |
| 21:47.47 | evl | woooot |
| 21:47.47 | Pkekyo| | I started learning ruby, but meh... :p |
| 21:47.51 | Cartas | Lick my... |
| 21:47.52 | Cartas | Something. |
| 21:47.53 | evl | bt + mh 2 day cleared |
| 21:47.58 | Pkekyo| | congrats EvilElvis |
| 21:48.00 | Pkekyo| | evl* |
| 21:48.00 | NeoTron | you really don't need to learn that |
| 21:48.07 | Pkekyo| | fucking tab-completion |
| 21:48.10 | Pkekyo| | NeoTron: shush |
| 21:48.11 | Cartas | You should learn more programming languges, Pkekyo|! |
| 21:48.14 | Pkekyo| | agreed |
| 21:48.15 | Cartas | C# is great. |
| 21:48.28 | Pkekyo| | I never find the time; that's why I gotta go to university and have it as a class :p |
| 21:48.29 | evl | Pkekyo|: with our slacker raid times it's great yeah :D |
| 21:48.31 | Cartas | I'm doing web development for my placement (you may say 'internship'?) year. |
| 21:48.35 | evl | Pkekyo|: only raid from 18.30 to 22 |
| 21:48.42 | NeoTron | I would also probably go more for "jävla" instead of "bögiga", but that's just me |
| 21:48.42 | Pkekyo| | evl: fakkaff |
| 21:48.44 | Pkekyo| | geif :< |
| 21:48.54 | Cartas | I would say: 'pullar'. |
| 21:49.00 | Cartas | Jag pullar din badanka. |
| 21:49.07 | evl | one shotted entire BT but a few wipes on archi |
| 21:49.08 | Pkekyo| | NeoTron: but 'bögiga' is a cruicial part of the sentence structure |
| 21:49.12 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: 'pular', no? |
| 21:49.16 | Cartas | Don't ask me. |
| 21:49.25 | Cartas | I'm English. English people are so ignorant they never need to learn other languages. |
| 21:49.25 | NeoTron | it's implied |
| 21:49.36 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: just like the fucking french...bastards :p |
| 21:49.45 | Cartas | Haha. |
| 21:49.50 | Cartas | I know German, and lots of programming languages, at least. |
| 21:49.53 | Pkekyo| | NeoTron: only if talking to a male recipient |
| 21:49.57 | Cartas | I'm learning Swedish too. |
| 21:50.02 | break19 | the french arent ignorant.. they're arrogant. big difference |
| 21:50.12 | Pkekyo| | valid point, break19 |
| 21:50.15 | NeoTron | what a discussion to have |
| 21:50.22 | NeoTron | break19: don't forget hairy |
| 21:50.22 | Pkekyo| | indeed xD |
| 21:50.25 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 21:50.31 | break19 | NeoTron: and smelly |
| 21:50.36 | NeoTron | but do they have better teeth then the British? that I don't know |
| 21:50.39 | Pkekyo| | but then again, brits can have a bad tendency to be rather cocky as well |
| 21:50.57 | Cartas | It's a shame how bad England really is nowadays :'( |
| 21:51.07 | break19 | Pkekyo|: as my grandaddy always said: it aint braggin if you can do it. |
| 21:51.16 | Pkekyo| | hooked up with a norwegian-french chick once...clean teeht... :p |
| 21:51.41 | Pkekyo| | break19: granted, but when did we start talking about bragging? |
| 21:51.45 | Pkekyo| | teeth* |
| 21:51.46 | break19 | Pkekyo|: im from alabama, USA.. we invented the toothbrush here.. |
| 21:51.56 | break19 | anywhere else it would've been called a teethbrush. |
| 21:51.58 | Cartas | lol @ "grandaddy". |
| 21:52.08 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: indeed, I'll most likely get arrested for photographing CCTV-nests xD |
| 21:52.15 | Pkekyo| | break19: lmfao |
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| 21:52.17 | Shirik | who brushes all of their teeth at the same time? |
| 21:52.18 | NeoTron | I exchanged letters (physical, before the days of email) with a norgweigan chick that was the model for a dancing sillouette girl in an old Amiga demo |
| 21:52.22 | NeoTron | man that was a long sentence |
| 21:52.27 | Cartas | There's nothing wrong with that, Pkekyo|, right? |
| 21:52.28 | Shirik | the brush is only on one tooth at a time unless you have some incredibly crazy toothbrush |
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| 21:52.50 | Cartas | Hm, considering the length of the toothbrush's head is londer than the width of a tooth... |
| 21:52.51 | Cartas | I'm not so sure. |
| 21:52.52 | break19 | Shirik: my brush can be on more... |
| 21:52.59 | Cartas | longer*. |
| 21:53.05 | Shirik | My toothbrush only is the width of one tooth :9 |
| 21:53.06 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:53.11 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: not in and of itself, no...saw some campaign in london telling people to call the local bobby on chaps taking photos of CCTV-nests and such |
| 21:53.21 | Cartas | I meant having all those CCTV cameras. |
| 21:53.22 | magma | do you just have buck teeth? :p |
| 21:53.25 | Cartas | Nothing wrong with it! |
| 21:53.45 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: yes there's something wrong with having all the fucking CCTV-nests everywhere |
| 21:53.57 | Cartas | What's the problem with that? |
| 21:54.01 | Pkekyo| | read 1984, if you still ask me 'why', I'll have to kill you :> |
| 21:54.13 | Cartas | You can't tell me yourself? |
| 21:54.24 | Cartas | Is that because there are no reasons? |
| 21:54.39 | Pkekyo| | blah, know how to explain in norwegian, have a hard time finding the corresponding words in english keke ;> |
| 21:54.59 | Pkekyo| | you get what I mean by 'personal security', regarding surveilance in general? |
| 21:55.08 | Cartas | Yes. |
| 21:55.32 | Pkekyo| | yeah, for (most) norwegians, that has been VERY important for a very long time |
| 21:56.01 | Cartas | Hm, maybe I didn't understand it. CCTV cameras provide personal security, don't they? |
| 21:56.17 | break19 | Cartas: privacy |
| 21:56.25 | genetik | depends on who's watching the video |
| 21:56.36 | Cartas | Privacy? Hm, I didn't know you went into public places to have privacy. |
| 21:56.36 | break19 | Cartas: "Big Brother is watching you" |
| 21:56.37 | Pkekyo| | yeah, that's it, thanks break19; privacy |
| 21:56.41 | Cartas | Seems a bit hypocritical if you were to moan about that. |
| 21:56.42 | Cartas | Surely? |
| 21:57.26 | Pkekyo| | howso? |
| 21:57.26 | Pkekyo| | do you invite everyone into the stall when taking a piss in a 'public toilet facility' or whateverthefuck they're called nowadays? |
| 21:57.51 | Cartas | No. |
| 21:57.59 | Cartas | Nor do CCTV cameras look inside of toilet cubicals. |
| 21:58.00 | Pkekyo| | granted, it's taken to the extreme, but sufficiently proves my point imo |
| 21:58.05 | Groktar | i do leave the door open, however |
| 21:58.06 | Cartas | No it doesn't...! |
| 21:58.12 | Cartas | I don't think that proves your point in the slightest. |
| 21:58.43 | break19 | I can understand the point of "why would you care if a camera watches you if you're doing nothing wrong" But I also feel that its not any of your business to watch me unless you KNOW I'm doing something wrong.. |
| 21:58.54 | Cartas | Having security cameras in public areas (READ: not inside toilet cubicals) which are monitored by a few people who don't know you, who will probably never know you, and will gain nothing from spreading the kind of information on those cameras, is not invasion of privacy, surely? |
| 21:58.55 | Pkekyo| | I'm not talking about toilet cubicals in specific damnit, it was just an example I used that I figured you might be able to relate to |
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| 21:59.34 | Cartas | break19: How does something watching you hinder your life in any way whatsoever though? |
| 21:59.39 | break19 | Cartas: I make it a point to flip off every fuckin security camera I see.. period |
| 22:00.02 | NightHawkTheSane | break19: ... ooh, rebel! >.> |
| 22:00.12 | Cartas | Flip off? |
| 22:00.22 | Cartas | Like what ninjas do when they flip and kill everyone? |
| 22:00.24 | break19 | hand gesture to mean "fuck you" |
| 22:00.33 | Cartas | Oh, sounds immature and useless! |
| 22:00.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Cartas: bingo! |
| 22:00.43 | Cartas | What a waste of your energy :p |
| 22:00.49 | break19 | as is watching me scratch my ass while I shop for groceries. |
| 22:01.02 | Cartas | It's not useless as they're being paid for it! |
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| 22:01.27 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: seems I have a stronger sense of privacy than you; it's not about that it "doesn't harm me", it shouldn't be necessary, and like break19 said; I don't think it's anyone's fucking buisness what I'm doing (no matter who it is), unless it directly concerns them...myself taking a walk in the park with my dog is _NOT_ of common interest to society what_so_ever, hence, I believe that they shouldn't fucking surveil me whilst walking m |
| 22:01.27 | Pkekyo| | in the bloody fucking park, unless I start kicking it about (once again, a theoretical example to prove a point) |
| 22:01.44 | Cartas | So... |
| 22:02.01 | Cartas | If someone else is watching you do something in public, then you should be able to 'flip off' at them? |
| 22:02.05 | Cartas | Eurgh, what a horrible term. |
| 22:02.38 | Pkekyo| | granted, I can understand the need for surveilance in stores etc (regarding shoplifting/robberies and such), but huge CCTV-nests on every street corner? fuck no |
| 22:02.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not sure what's worse, the actual danger of invasion of privacy, or the idiots who think that just because there ARE cameras there means that they MUST be watching you. |
| 22:03.04 | Dashkal | The cameras aren't to protect the people, they're to protect the people behind the cameras... |
| 22:03.19 | Pkekyo| | Dashkal: quoted for truth |
| 22:03.22 | Dashkal | So. How much do you trust the people behind the cameras? |
| 22:03.26 | Cartas | I've walked in the park with CCTV around. Has it effected my life one bit? No, and if it has, it's only because someone didn't attack me because those cameras were there. |
| 22:03.27 | NightHawkTheSane | god forbid the cameras are there to actually have a record when criminal activity does occur. |
| 22:03.27 | Pkekyo| | not at all :p |
| 22:03.32 | Cartas | Who cares how much I trust them? |
| 22:03.34 | Cartas | That matters not. |
| 22:03.44 | Dashkal | I care quite a bit how much I trust the people who are watching me |
| 22:03.45 | break19 | Cartas: if someone is staring at me, in a public place.. I might say "what the fuck you lookin at" but since most cameras dont have microphones, I use the hand gesture for it |
| 22:03.53 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: go read 1984, then come back |
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| 22:03.56 | genetik | Pkekyo|: my opinion of CCTV in public areas is that i wouldn't mind it at all if anyone had access to watch the feeds. it's when only a few people have access to it that i mind. |
| 22:03.58 | Cartas | That's just a stupid thing to say though, Break19. |
| 22:04.04 | Cartas | Sounds like something a chav might do... |
| 22:04.15 | break19 | Cartas: it stops them from staring. |
| 22:04.19 | Cartas | And? |
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| 22:04.25 | Cartas | What's the problem with them looking at you in the first place? |
| 22:04.26 | Pkekyo| | genetik: I would resent that even more...my neighbour making a website about how many times I fondle my balls in public throughout a year? nothanks |
| 22:04.29 | Cartas | Has it made your life worse? |
| 22:04.33 | break19 | looking != staring |
| 22:04.39 | Cartas | Cameras don't stare. |
| 22:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Pkekyo|: stop touting the same used line over and over, i've read it, several times, you're an idiot who's overreacting |
| 22:04.55 | break19 | you ever see a camera just glance at you? lol |
| 22:04.59 | Cartas | When has that ever happened because of a CCTV video, Pkekyo|? |
| 22:05.26 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: that was a reply to genetiks statement that everyone should be able to view the CCTV feeds |
| 22:05.31 | Cartas | You know what the problem is? Not the CCTV, but you people. It's called 'PARANOIA'. |
| 22:05.33 | genetik | public feeds |
| 22:05.37 | Dashkal | Cartas and NightHawkTheSane: give this a read: http://ssrn.com/abstract=998565 |
| 22:05.46 | genetik | not CCTV in private realms |
| 22:05.55 | genetik | aka: grocery stores, etc |
| 22:05.56 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you! :p |
| 22:06.03 | break19 | Cartas: paranoia is the feeling that people are out to get you.. NOT indigancy when your right to privacy is violated.. |
| 22:06.05 | Cartas | I'm not paranoid, you guys are. |
| 22:06.13 | Dashkal | I have nothing to hide. I still don't want them staring at me |
| 22:06.13 | Yssaril | my opinion the more cameras the less likeley they are watching you cause you can only watch so many feeds at the same time :P |
| 22:06.20 | Cartas | No it's not, Break19. |
| 22:06.21 | Cartas | Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions. |
| 22:06.25 | Cartas | Which sounds just like you people. |
| 22:06.28 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: it's a quote...a general statement...not specificly directed at you as a person |
| 22:06.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: ... entirely not my point. :P |
| 22:06.32 | break19 | "you people" bigot |
| 22:06.45 | Dashkal | It's entirely mine. I don't believe they have the right to watch my every move |
| 22:06.46 | Cartas | What was wrong with me saying 'you people'? |
| 22:06.52 | Cartas | You meaning, Dashkal, break19 and Pkekyo|. |
| 22:07.16 | Dashkal | Paranoia shouldn't be confused with lack of trust |
| 22:07.25 | break19 | Cartas: its the principle of the thing. |
| 22:07.28 | Pkekyo| | genetiknot CCTV in private realms <--- I got that, hence; 'in public' |
| 22:07.29 | Dashkal | I don't "trust" the people on the other side of the camera simply because I have no reason _to_ trust them |
| 22:07.41 | Cartas | That's paranoia, surely? |
| 22:07.49 | break19 | no. thats realism |
| 22:07.49 | Pkekyo| | howso? |
| 22:07.55 | genetik | Pkekyo|: you didn't specify public in the sentence i was correcting :) |
| 22:08.03 | break19 | trusting people you dont know? thats naivette. |
| 22:08.12 | Cartas | Not trusting someone based on no grounds whatsoever, to the point where you 'swear' at them...? |
| 22:08.15 | Pkekyo| | genetik: 'ebsite about how many times I fondle my balls in public throughout a year? nothanks' |
| 22:08.20 | Dashkal | There's a difference between "do not trust" and "distrust" the former is simply the lack of trust, the latter implies a belief that harm will come |
| 22:08.21 | Cartas | I don't think that's a general occurence. |
| 22:08.45 | genetik | "Cartas: that was a reply to genetiks statement that everyone should be able to view the CCTV feeds |
| 22:08.55 | genetik | " |
| 22:08.59 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: not trusting someone based on no grounds whatsoever, and trusting someone based on no grounds whatsoever....to each his own I say |
| 22:09.15 | Cartas | You missed out the rest of the statement. |
| 22:09.22 | Cartas | Thus taking it out of context! :OI |
| 22:09.31 | Pkekyo| | me or genetik? :p |
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| 22:09.34 | Cartas | You! |
| 22:09.38 | Cartas | "Not trusting someone based on no grounds whatsoever, to the point where you 'swear' at them...?" |
| 22:09.57 | Cartas | That's paranoia. I don't claim Pkekyo| and Dashkal are paranoid though. |
| 22:10.00 | Pkekyo| | I agree that flipping off every CCTV camera around is unneccesary |
| 22:10.04 | Cartas | Just break19, I guess. |
| 22:10.14 | break19 | Cartas: whether I tell someone to fuck off, has no bearing on distrust. it has to do with I dont like being stared at.. by anyone. |
| 22:10.31 | Cartas | And why don't you want to be stared at/ |
| 22:10.35 | Cartas | Paranoia, perhaps? |
| 22:10.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Cartas: its not just paranoia, its paranoia combined with egotism and arrogance :P |
| 22:10.52 | Pkekyo| | I believe that it is my right to take a stroll outside without being constantly monitored... (so much for having a mobile phone, I need it though, so I allow myself to be -slightly- hypocritical on this point) |
| 22:10.56 | Cartas | Paragogance! |
| 22:11.08 | NightHawkTheSane | the assumption that one matters enough to actually BE started at, combined with the paranoia that someone is CURRENTLY staring at them :P |
| 22:11.09 | Cartas | You're wrong, you don't have that right. |
| 22:11.24 | Cartas | So you have no problem with it now, Pkekyo|? :o |
| 22:12.24 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: I still do not agree with general surveilance at any point, but as my mobile phone has become a necessity to me; and it's fixed with a GPS locator, meh... |
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| 22:12.57 | Cartas | Well, you've not really brought up a disadvantage to it yet! |
| 22:12.59 | Pkekyo| | I feel I worded that horribly *shrug* |
| 22:13.01 | Cartas | Nor a rational reason against it. |
| 22:13.27 | NeoTron | We definitely feel the need for warlocks to gain some sort of active defense so we don't have to try to balance them around the assumption that they're "tanking" melee classes. For example, an idea we're running with internally is the concept of a warlock being able to cast a spell that places a circle of demonic power on the ground. The warlock would be able to teleport to this location from within a relatively short range (ie: 40 y |
| 22:13.28 | Cartas | The only real disadvantage I can see you coming up with is the amount of money the government has spent on it, with relation to its crime-cutting potential! |
| 22:13.34 | NeoTron | Note: this idea is intended as a sneak peek, it's not something that we're planning for 2.4, it would be more likely as an expansion ability, and may change entirely before said time. |
| 22:13.44 | NeoTron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103813577&pageNo=2&sid=1#22 |
| 22:14.45 | Dashkal | Cartas: I have a reason to dislike being watched. It is emotional in nature (which follows since dislike is an emotional response). I do not feel that the benifits of constant surveilance properly offset the potential for such a system to be misused. |
| 22:15.07 | Pkekyo| | then again, what's the rational reason that I should be monitored constantly by 'big brother', in lack of a better name for the controlling entity in question, every time I go outside my front door? |
| 22:15.07 | Pkekyo| | please, PLEASE -do- say 'if not, the terrorists win!'...please! :p |
| 22:15.17 | NeoTron | the terrorists won |
| 22:15.29 | NeoTron | now can we talk about non-CCV crap perhaps? :P |
| 22:15.33 | Dashkal | no, they got smacked down. those in power won |
| 22:15.49 | Cartas | I don't really see the problem with it really. |
| 22:16.02 | Cartas | I never notice that there are CCTV cameras wherever I go. |
| 22:16.06 | Pkekyo| | "Accept 24/7 surveilance, or the terrorists win! ...Buy a new hummer, or the terrorists win!" :p |
| 22:16.12 | Cartas | You must actively search and make note of them or something... |
| 22:16.23 | Dashkal | Cartas: Even if the current governments are not abusing the system as it stands, the potential remains for those who follow to abuse the existing infrastructure. |
| 22:16.25 | break19 | privacy trumps all others. in a free society, privacy MUST be guaranteed for all citizens. |
| 22:16.43 | Cartas | It's not a breach of privacy whatsoever. |
| 22:16.51 | magma | it is. |
| 22:16.54 | Cartas | Oh? How so? |
| 22:16.55 | Dashkal | This is a potential harm to us. The potential gain is safer public areas |
| 22:17.05 | Dashkal | I find the harm outweighs the gain. That simple |
| 22:17.12 | Mudkipz | gov't is in yur ceiling, watchin u masturbate |
| 22:17.16 | Cartas | Everything that protects generally has a potential harm though. |
| 22:17.24 | Dashkal | it does, which is why balance is required |
| 22:17.29 | Dashkal | I find that CCTV is too far |
| 22:17.35 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: depends on wether or not you're used to it...if you live in the country and then stroll into london, and see CCTV-nests on every streetcorner, you're definitely gonna notice' |
| 22:17.37 | Cartas | It's never caused harm to us yet. |
| 22:17.46 | Dashkal | Oh lord that argument? |
| 22:17.51 | Dashkal | If it hasn't already done actual harm it's fine? |
| 22:17.53 | Cartas | I don't forsee it causing harm. |
| 22:17.58 | Cartas | What harm could it do, honestly? |
| 22:18.07 | Dashkal | Cartas: Repressive govenment making people dissappear |
| 22:18.11 | Cartas | OH NOES A TERRORIST GOT INTO THE CCTV STATION AND SAW ME BUY TOILET PAPRE |
| 22:18.15 | Cartas | ... what? |
| 22:18.18 | Dashkal | you heard me |
| 22:18.22 | Dashkal | potential harm of such a system |
| 22:18.23 | NeoTron | no I didn't |
| 22:18.27 | Pkekyo| | Dashkal: no he didn't, this is IRC :p |
| 22:18.31 | Dashkal | lol |
| 22:18.32 | NeoTron | this is text, I can't hear anything you type |
| 22:18.32 | Cartas | Wait, wait... |
| 22:18.34 | Pkekyo| | skype is thataway --> |
| 22:18.35 | Dashkal | read my words |
| 22:18.36 | Pkekyo| | xD |
| 22:18.40 | Cartas | You think the government is going to make people disappear? |
| 22:18.44 | Dashkal | I didn't say this is happening, I'm laying it out as a potential harm |
| 22:18.47 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: ...it could... |
| 22:18.49 | Cartas | Hm. |
| 22:18.54 | Dashkal | exactly. Could. It's potential |
| 22:18.54 | Cartas | That's hardly a harm at all. |
| 22:18.59 | Dashkal | wait what? |
| 22:19.03 | break19 | Cartas: governments -HAVE- made people disappear. |
| 22:19.05 | NeoTron | Cartas: undesirables anyway |
| 22:19.06 | Cartas | The potential gain drastically outweighs that. |
| 22:19.08 | Dashkal | bingo |
| 22:19.15 | Dashkal | um wha? |
| 22:19.25 | Cartas | Let's say the government with most "Disappearing" people was the USSR. CCTV cameras... 0. |
| 22:19.29 | magma | what's the potential gain? |
| 22:19.31 | Pkekyo| | CartasThe potential gain drastically outweighs that. <--- to each his own... |
| 22:19.35 | Cartas | Oh come on! |
| 22:19.36 | Xinhuan | have you read 1984? :) |
| 22:19.44 | Pkekyo| | no he haven't |
| 22:19.50 | Cartas | You could say giving police officers batons can lead to the government making people disappear :| |
| 22:19.55 | Pkekyo| | has not* have not* whatever |
| 22:19.56 | Cartas | That potential harm is so unlikely, however. |
| 22:19.57 | Xinhuan | go read hehe |
| 22:20.03 | Xinhuan | 1984 is freely readable online |
| 22:20.04 | Xinhuan | on may sites |
| 22:20.05 | Dashkal | It can, and has, but there are better balances on police than cameras |
| 22:20.07 | Xinhuan | many* |
| 22:20.19 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: no, it can't, but it can lead to excessive use of violence by the police force |
| 22:20.22 | Dashkal | Police (at least in Canada and I assume the US) can have their actions called to account |
| 22:20.40 | Cartas | How do cameras make people disappear then? |
| 22:20.52 | break19 | governments do not just -switch- from free societys to repressive societies overnight.. there are small, seemingly insignificant changes over time that leads to the eventual rise of 1 person who says "We will right these wrongs!" and in doing so, grabs himself more power than any 1 man has ever seen in that country. |
| 22:20.59 | Pkekyo| | Dashkal: should be like that in -every- country |
| 22:21.07 | Dashkal | Should yes, sadly not so |
| 22:21.15 | Dashkal | break19: exactly |
| 22:21.23 | Dashkal | The harm is in the progression and transition |
| 22:21.24 | magma | Any one who will trade freedom for security deserves neither |
| 22:21.26 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: Easier tracking of 'unwanted elements'? go watch 'Hot Fuzz' |
| 22:21.32 | Cartas | We don't have freedom, Magma. |
| 22:21.34 | Cartas | We never have had freedom. |
| 22:21.39 | Cartas | Don't delude yourself with such nonesense. |
| 22:21.41 | Dashkal | We should have it |
| 22:21.48 | Cartas | Should, but never will. |
| 22:21.50 | break19 | Cartas: YOU dont.. because you subscribe to the idea that security is better than privacy |
| 22:21.52 | magma | k, I see you're just trolling now. |
| 22:21.56 | Cartas | No, no. |
| 22:21.58 | Dashkal | Only because people like you decided it isn't worth it |
| 22:22.07 | break19 | yes.. "whats the harm" thats exactly the harm |
| 22:22.09 | Cartas | How does someone seeing what you're doing in public reduce freedom? |
| 22:22.16 | Cartas | It does not! |
| 22:22.19 | Cartas | It cannot! |
| 22:22.25 | break19 | as I've said.. its the principle of the thing. |
| 22:22.42 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: you seen 'Hot Fuzz'? |
| 22:22.44 | Cartas | Yep yep! |
| 22:22.59 | break19 | you show yourself willing to trade privacy for security. by your own words of "wheres the harm in it" |
| 22:23.05 | Pkekyo| | What happened to the socalled 'hoodies' that they tracked with the CCTV system? |
| 22:23.30 | Pkekyo| | like I stated; easier to track, with the intent to remove, 'unwanted elements'... |
| 22:23.32 | Cartas | No. That is a simple occurance when asking someone for their arguments under their beliefs, break19. You take the opposite side... |
| 22:23.40 | Fisker- | ethat was pretty awesome |
| 22:23.47 | Fisker- | Our warlock tank forgot the staff |
| 22:23.52 | Fisker- | and i went to trade him a new one |
| 22:24.02 | Fisker- | then we both got conflagged and died |
| 22:24.23 | break19 | well. I'm going out into my own backyard, with the 10ft privacy fence surrounding my acre. bbl |
| 22:24.33 | Dashkal | Anyway. I think we've all made our points. Time to get some food. Really late lunch today. |
| 22:24.53 | Cartas | I don't understand where people suddenly got the idea that they [should] have freedom in public, and being looked at reduces such freedom. |
| 22:25.10 | Cartas | We don't live in a Stalinistic state... nothing close to it. |
| 22:25.18 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: why should we NOT have freedom in public? |
| 22:25.30 | Cartas | Well, you're as free in public as at home, really. |
| 22:25.39 | Cartas | It's your choice to do whatever no matter where you are. |
| 22:25.43 | Cartas | Nothing can limit that choice. |
| 22:25.52 | Cartas | (Except the physical limits and such) |
| 22:25.59 | Nandini | i can observe you all i want in public, but i can't observe you as much while you're in your home |
| 22:26.06 | Pkekyo| | care to answer my question then? |
| 22:26.18 | Cartas | Remove the should then :P |
| 22:26.26 | magma | but the cctv on the street light next to your house surely can observe you in your home. |
| 22:26.38 | Cartas | What's wrong with observance? |
| 22:26.41 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: what would you do if someone was stalking you? |
| 22:26.48 | Cartas | No-where in the definition of 'observe' is 'To reduce or limit freedom'. |
| 22:26.57 | Nandini | i can also observe you legally in your home if you have windows |
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| 22:27.10 | Hjalte | NeoTron: Not that I pvp much, but that circle could be used in some raid situations as well, makes me happy. |
| 22:27.14 | Cartas | I cannot say, Pkekyo|! |
| 22:27.16 | Pkekyo| | Nandini: get x-ray vision lol |
| 22:27.17 | Cartas | I could do anything I wanted. |
| 22:27.19 | Nandini | you limit your own freedom if you choose to avoid observation |
| 22:27.51 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: so it's fair to say you would go about and kill them? or would you for instance call the cops? |
| 22:27.55 | Xinhuan | example: turn off your handphone |
| 22:28.11 | Cartas | I could do what I liked :o |
| 22:28.19 | Cartas | As long as I'm willing to be responsible for my actions. |
| 22:28.20 | Cartas | Right? |
| 22:28.29 | Cartas | Or even if I'm not willing, actually. |
| 22:28.43 | Pkekyo| | but what WOULD -YOU- do? |
| 22:28.55 | Cartas | I would call the police if I was being stalked, I suppose, yes. |
| 22:29.14 | Cartas | Then they'd look at CCTV data and catch him, and the day is saved! |
| 22:29.18 | Pkekyo| | what if the stalker was sitting behind the monitors of CCTV-camera nests? |
| 22:29.25 | Cartas | What's if he was? |
| 22:29.34 | Cartas | Hmm... |
| 22:29.37 | Pkekyo| | would it all of a sudden be 'okay' to stalk you? |
| 22:29.47 | Cartas | I wouldn't know he was stalking me, right? :o |
| 22:29.51 | Pkekyo| | because he wasn't necessarily within 20 feet of your postition? |
| 22:29.55 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: unspecified |
| 22:29.58 | Nandini | observing and threatening are two different things entirely |
| 22:30.06 | Pkekyo| | and even if you do not know; is it ok for people to stalk you? |
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| 22:30.14 | Nandini | stalking must contain an element of threat in order to be stalking |
| 22:30.14 | Cartas | Okay, he was stalking me from the other side of a camera. |
| 22:30.21 | Nandini | or imminent danger |
| 22:30.25 | Cartas | My freedom hasn't been reduced or limited yet, Pkekyo|! |
| 22:30.27 | Cartas | Keep going :p |
| 22:31.02 | Elsia | no stalking doesn't require danger or threat, just presistent inappropriate annoyance. enough to get a restraining order |
| 22:31.25 | Hrack | you arn't stalking right if they notice you. |
| 22:31.26 | Nandini | true, its unlikely someone will be annoying you from the other side of a cctv camera |
| 22:31.39 | Pkekyo| | all the time I could've spared if I'd just kept my trap shut 40 minutes ago... :p |
| 22:31.44 | Cartas | lol |
| 22:32.10 | Pkekyo| | Nandini: so because there is no direct physical presence, stalking is completely ok? |
| 22:32.11 | Cartas | I bet George Carlin would call you a baby, Pkekyo|. |
| 22:32.22 | Elsia | better waste of time: trying to download the iphone sdk :P pain in the backside |
| 22:32.24 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: I doubt it :) |
| 22:32.29 | Nandini | if you are unaware of his observation, his observation cannot be annoying you |
| 22:32.32 | Cartas | He doesn't like people whining about worthless things though! |
| 22:32.41 | Cartas | Like people who moan about food being dropped on the floor, I remember him saying :p |
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| 22:33.05 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: nor does he like people who give up their freedoms because the government tells them to :p |
| 22:33.14 | Cartas | The government haven't told me to do anything :o |
| 22:33.24 | Pkekyo| | bah, bad wording, don't start bitching about 'limiting freedom' again |
| 22:33.35 | Cartas | and I don't have freedom, I suppose. |
| 22:33.47 | Cartas | Else I could murder people with no consequence. |
| 22:33.48 | Cartas | Right? :o |
| 22:33.58 | Pkekyo| | ...all the time I could've spared if I'd just kept my trap shout one minute ago... *shrugs* |
| 22:34.01 | Cartas | lol |
| 22:34.04 | break19 | by installing cameras to watch your every move, they most certainly -are- limiting your right to privacy |
| 22:34.04 | Hrack | you only face consequences if you get caught. |
| 22:34.05 | Cartas | You see that though, yes? |
| 22:34.06 | Hrack | noob |
| 22:34.11 | Isola | Guys, im back with a new addon idea :) |
| 22:34.17 | Pkekyo| | NO |
| 22:34.22 | Cartas | What right to privacy in public is this, break19? :O |
| 22:34.26 | Isola | oh yeah :) |
| 22:34.27 | Pkekyo| | we're discussing CCTV and privacy, go away Isola :p |
| 22:34.29 | Cartas | Got a governmental paper on this right? |
| 22:34.41 | Cartas | I understand we have the Data Protection Act, to keep our privacy. |
| 22:34.45 | Isola | im reading 1984 right now so i might as well join in |
| 22:34.47 | Cartas | But that limits people's freedom. |
| 22:35.14 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: most likely not, but you can bet your arse that there's a governmental paper that defines how your 'freedom' and privacy in public can be limited, restricted and/or removed completely |
| 22:35.33 | Cartas | Of course. We all accept extra security over freedom. |
| 22:35.37 | break19 | freedom = the ability to do whatever you want, so long as the activity does not impede the freedom of others.. and murder impedes another's right to life. |
| 22:35.57 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: doing that blindly is WRONG in my opinion |
| 22:36.04 | Cartas | But you do it... |
| 22:36.11 | Pkekyo| | which again is my entire point in this discussion |
| 22:36.15 | Cartas | Else why would we have laws to protect ourselves from things? :o |
| 22:36.20 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: I've accepted it more than I like to |
| 22:36.26 | break19 | Cartas: no.. we all do NOT.. I don't.. thats the point |
| 22:36.31 | Cartas | Oh? |
| 22:36.35 | Cartas | You don't live in a society with laws? |
| 22:36.38 | break19 | laws that protect your from yourself are stupid. |
| 22:36.40 | Cartas | Did you choose to leave? |
| 22:36.50 | break19 | s/your/you/ |
| 22:36.57 | Pkekyo| | preferably I'd not use a phone due to it being trackable, but due to necessity I do it - doesn't mean I enjoy it |
| 22:37.19 | Cartas | Are you bald? |
| 22:37.25 | Pkekyo| | I am not |
| 22:37.26 | Cartas | Your hair is trackable, you know? |
| 22:37.28 | Cartas | You better shave it off. |
| 22:37.32 | break19 | Pkekyo|: most phones have the capability to turn that tracker off except during emergency calls. |
| 22:37.40 | chiper | wait, is someone saying that public security cameras are an invasion of privacy? |
| 22:37.46 | Cartas | Yes, Chiper. |
| 22:37.52 | break19 | many people say that. |
| 22:37.54 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: how'd you figure the government will track my hair? |
| 22:38.04 | chiper | does the camera point at your house? does it look into your yard? |
| 22:38.11 | chiper | those are private spaces |
| 22:38.24 | Pkekyo| | break19: in this country, I -believe- the are actually -enabled- by police or whatever entity needs it, rather than constantly enabled |
| 22:38.28 | Hrack | the real question is.. why do you care if they are watching you in public? pick ur nose and masturbate in front of the cameras and then laugh.. |
| 22:38.30 | Pkekyo| | I'm not sure though |
| 22:38.32 | chiper | the street is not a private property, it is public domain |
| 22:38.43 | Pkekyo| | sodding hell, here we go again |
| 22:38.48 | Cartas | Hehe :D |
| 22:38.48 | break19 | chiper, no but the inside of my car is private. |
| 22:38.54 | Cartas | Is it? |
| 22:38.58 | Pkekyo| | chiper: you just restarted a discussion that has been going on for just about an hour now, please do give it a rest |
| 22:39.15 | break19 | yes. I own the vehicle, that means I should have a reasonable assumption of privacy. |
| 22:39.26 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: he paid for the fucking thing, didn't he? And I do not believe that anywhere in the contract it was stated that the inside of his car is public property |
| 22:39.30 | Cartas | Just as you have a 'right', let's say, to know what goes on under your own roof (assuming you own your own house), surely the government have the right to know what goes on in their streets? |
| 22:39.33 | break19 | s/assumption/expectation/ |
| 22:39.46 | Cartas | Your car is in the public domain, however. Unless it's in your garage, then the government don't know what's going on in it. |
| 22:39.48 | chiper | break: you're right, the car is a private property. but if you stand in your living room buck naked with the curtains wide open, you have extended beyond the bounds of privacy |
| 22:39.57 | Elsia | the street doesn't belong to the government though |
| 22:40.13 | chiper | same thing applies to cars. |
| 22:40.16 | Cartas | Oh? :o |
| 22:40.25 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: The government's supposed to -serve- it's population, not monitor and/or control it...well, that's the idea anyways |
| 22:40.41 | Cartas | I don't think that's the idea anymore with most governments, to be honest. |
| 22:40.53 | Cartas | The government believes that they are serving us by monitoring. |
| 22:40.55 | chiper | Pkekyo|: heh, I'm not gonna touch that one |
| 22:41.01 | Pkekyo| | 'anymore' is the keyword here...somewhere along the road, someone came and fucked it all up |
| 22:41.08 | chiper | if you think that, you're very nieve |
| 22:41.10 | Cartas | Well, actually... |
| 22:41.20 | Pkekyo| | chiper: I'm about to throw the keyboard out the window, I can't be arsed to go on for -another- hour |
| 22:41.24 | Cartas | Where did you magically pull this supposed definition of government from, Pkekyo|? :o |
| 22:41.27 | chiper | lol |
| 22:41.33 | break19 | Pkekyo|: /quit.. like this. |
| 22:41.37 | Diao | lol |
| 22:41.41 | Pkekyo| | xD |
| 22:41.46 | Cartas | He couldn't handle not having any valid points :D |
| 22:41.53 | chiper | \o/ |
| 22:42.00 | Cartas | Victory is ours, old chap! |
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| 22:42.41 | Isola | gj |
| 22:42.57 | Cartas | Pkekyo|? |
| 22:43.00 | Cartas | You fight like a cow. |
| 22:43.01 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: I'd like to see the definition of 'government' that states 'an entity with the purpose of controlling and/or monitoring it's population' |
| 22:43.08 | Pkekyo| | <--- Tauren warrior...MOOO |
| 22:43.15 | harldephin | why are there no party-emotes? |
| 22:43.16 | Cartas | You fail at Monkey Island insults! |
| 22:43.26 | Cartas | The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit. |
| 22:43.27 | Cartas | There you go. |
| 22:43.30 | Cartas | Defintion number 1. |
| 22:43.35 | Cartas | Note the word 'CONTROL'. |
| 22:43.38 | Elkano | How fitting, you fight like a farmer. |
| 22:43.44 | Cartas | That's wrong! |
| 22:43.51 | Pkekyo| | <--- never played monkey island |
| 22:43.53 | Cartas | Although I got it wrong, actually :$ |
| 22:43.55 | Elkano | (never played wnglish version) |
| 22:44.02 | Cartas | 'You fight like a dairy farmer!' 'How appropriate, you fight like a cow.' |
| 22:44.05 | Cartas | I think it is. |
| 22:44.21 | chiper | I believe what it comes down to, in legal terms, is in plain sight. example: police arent allowed to search your card for cocain without a warrant (tho, this may be a state by state rule). however, if someone looks through the window and sees a crack pipe on your seat, it no longer falls under privacy rules, because it's in plain site. like it or not, that's the law |
| 22:44.28 | Elkano | well, at least I hit the spirit ;) |
| 22:44.34 | Cartas | <3! |
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| 22:44.42 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: taking the word 'control' COMPLETELY out of context does NOT prove your point |
| 22:44.45 | chiper | s/card/car |
| 22:44.46 | Cartas | Hahahah :D |
| 22:45.15 | Cartas | Well |
| 22:45.17 | Pkekyo| | "public policy" != it's population |
| 22:45.25 | Cartas | You'll see the word 'govern'! |
| 22:46.13 | Cartas | To control the actions or behavior of. |
| 22:46.13 | Cartas | To keep under control; restrain: |
| 22:46.13 | Pkekyo| | 'political unit'? meeh, maybe; depending on definition |
| 22:46.15 | Cartas | If it was such a problem for you, you would just move country, right? :o |
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| 22:46.18 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: once again, you take a word out of context to prove your point. it's useless unless you use the whole sentence |
| 22:46.35 | Cartas | I was giving the defintion of govern! |
| 22:46.47 | Elsia | pkekyo: took you this long to notice that he isn't arguing properly? :P |
| 22:46.57 | Cartas | What's that? |
| 22:46.58 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: preferably, I would like to make my house a state of it's own, but I doubt anyone would take me seriously :p |
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| 22:47.05 | Cartas | I've been giving valid points! |
| 22:47.12 | magma | blasphemy! |
| 22:47.23 | Pkekyo| | Elsia: nah, noticed long time ago that he's just trolling, but not gonna stoop to trollinglevel myself :) |
| 22:47.34 | Cartas | If anything, their entire argument is based upon the fallacious point that being observed limits freedom and your right to privacy. |
| 22:48.11 | Pkekyo| | 'their'? not everyone of us has been trying to argue the same point; me and break19 (if memory serves) differed on several points |
| 22:48.17 | magma | you fascist |
| 22:48.22 | Cartas | Yes, but it came down to that! |
| 22:48.34 | Cartas | Of course what you built on the foundation was wrong. He was just paranoid like crazy. |
| 22:48.38 | Cartas | You're a bit more sane, I admit! :) |
| 22:48.39 | chiper | that was what it looked like when I started paying attention |
| 22:48.45 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: I'm in love with you :D |
| 22:49.08 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: it's wrong according to how_you_see_it... doesn't mean it's universally wrong |
| 22:49.17 | Gnarfoz | Gnarfoz: MagicMarker is the shit, even though I encountered several usabilty bumps and the stuff I told you about earlier... but it's awesome nonetheless :D |
| 22:49.34 | Cartas | But it is considering the defintions of the words from the English Oxford Dictionary. |
| 22:49.43 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 22:49.47 | Gnarfoz | Neotron: MagicMarker is the shit, even though I encountered several usabilty bumps and the stuff I told you about earlier... but it's awesome nonetheless :D |
| 22:49.48 | Cartas | Which is what decides what's in the English language, as far as I'm aware! |
| 22:50.18 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: you seriously want me to grab my own copy of it and start tearing at your own statements? :p |
| 22:50.25 | Cartas | You can try, haha. |
| 22:50.26 | Elsia | whee let me look up lua in the english dictionary, that'll help me program everything just as the dictionary contains all of political theory :D |
| 22:50.34 | Isola | How pro can u be in writing lua addons? :L) |
| 22:50.36 | Pkekyo| | not gonna do that, 'cause I simply cannot be arsed, but I bet I'd find inconcistencies |
| 22:50.51 | Cartas | Maybe you'll find the word 'freedom' and 'privacy' and see the light yourself! :) |
| 22:50.55 | Pkekyo| | Elsia: Quoted For Truth |
| 22:50.58 | Cartas | Then we'll be friends forever. |
| 22:51.14 | Cartas | Maybe we can hold hands. |
| 22:51.29 | Pkekyo| | I will -never- share your view on this subject |
| 22:51.36 | Cartas | Aw, a real shame. |
| 22:51.54 | Cartas | Well, Elsia: That was a pretty invalid implication you made, btw! :P |
| 22:52.02 | Elsia | not really |
| 22:52.23 | Cartas | Dictionaries don't help you program... |
| 22:52.25 | Cartas | Well, hm... |
| 22:52.28 | Pkekyo| | what 'The English Oxford Dictionary of Current English' states as a definition for [said word] will not make me abandon my basic principles |
| 22:52.28 | Pkekyo| | and no, Elsia's implication is highly relevant |
| 22:52.30 | Cartas | Aside from the collection of Dictionary. |
| 22:52.38 | Elsia | the noun definition of govern isn't political theory of an open society, that was a fallacy basically... just to mention one ;) |
| 22:52.39 | chiper | Isola: I'd say there's some pretty Pro people here |
| 22:52.57 | Cartas | But when we talk about 'freedom' there is a shared view, no? |
| 22:53.06 | Cartas | Else when we talk we would never understand anything anyone else says. |
| 22:53.16 | Pkekyo| | aparently not, Cartas, as you seem to mean there is no such thing as freedom |
| 22:53.44 | Cartas | I was mistaken, there is! |
| 22:53.49 | Cartas | You are free to do as you wish, within physical limitation! :) |
| 22:53.56 | Cartas | Being watched on CCTV cannot change that. |
| 22:54.12 | chiper | there's freedom in the strict definition, and then "freedom" in the context of societal bounds |
| 22:54.23 | Elsia | the point you made was to use the definition of govern to imply what government should be, rather than engage in a dialogue what meanings governmnet could have. Pkekyo gave one definition which you shot down by quoting "govern" that has nothing to do with language comprehension and everything with fallacy arguments |
| 22:54.36 | Cartas | That was ages ago, Elsia! |
| 22:54.43 | Cartas | When we were clearly joking. |
| 22:54.46 | Cartas | Keep up, old chap! |
| 22:54.51 | Cartas | C# > LUA ;) |
| 22:54.57 | Pkekyo| | I weren't joking |
| 22:54.57 | Cartas | lua*, even. |
| 22:55.01 | Cartas | I was! |
| 22:55.05 | chiper | Cartas: heathen! |
| 22:55.08 | Cartas | :o |
| 22:55.11 | Elsia | hehe |
| 22:55.22 | Cartas | Lua > java, at least. |
| 22:55.32 | Pkekyo| | I'm horrified to say; the last hour has been one of my most productive for MONTHS *cries* |
| 22:55.37 | chiper | that one I'll agree with |
| 22:55.40 | Cartas | <3! |
| 22:55.55 | Elsia | gief iphone sdk :( |
| 22:56.00 | Isola | :) |
| 22:56.12 | chiper | I've recently become very dissenchanted with the inflexibility of the conventional OS UI when compared to Lua in WoW |
| 22:56.36 | Fin | what are you now? |
| 22:56.40 | Fin | soul dust? |
| 22:56.49 | Cartas | About 90% of people endlessly whine about how much power Vista's UI takes, Chiper. |
| 22:56.57 | Cartas | Imagine how they'd whine if it was as powerful as WoW's. |
| 22:57.11 | chiper | cartas: oh, I wasnt even thinking about that. |
| 22:57.14 | Cartas | 'OH NOES I WUNT UPGDR MY CMPTR CUZ I UZE MSDOS' |
| 22:57.16 | Fin | aw, c'mon |
| 22:57.55 | Fin | you can't say you're disenchanted, then someone make a joke about you being soul dust, without at LEAST telling me it was a bad joke |
| 22:57.56 | Fin | work with me here |
| 22:58.11 | Cartas | He's a nexus crystal, actually. |
| 22:58.14 | Cartas | How dare you suggest he's not epic. |
| 22:58.16 | chiper | oh, you were talking to me |
| 22:58.27 | Fin | kaching! |
| 22:58.27 | chiper | fin: it went way over my head, I didnt even notice it |
| 22:58.49 | chiper | I was looking through scrollback trying to figure out who the hell you were talking to :P |
| 22:58.51 | Cartas | Double-WoW-Enchanting-Geek-Joke, Fin! |
| 22:59.01 | Fin | I am happy to relocate the level of bad humour to that which may collide with your head! :) |
| 22:59.09 | Fin | thank you, thank you Cartaas |
| 22:59.10 | Fin | -a |
| 22:59.17 | Cartas | <3 |
| 22:59.18 | Fin | we now return to your regularly scheduled programming |
| 22:59.27 | Cartas | You won't make up any more WoW jokes now, will you? |
| 22:59.31 | Fin | please continue |
| 22:59.34 | Fin | me? oh no |
| 22:59.44 | Cartas | 'My wife asked me to mount her last night, but I told her I couldn't because I wasn't 40 yet.' |
| 22:59.49 | Cartas | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. |
| 22:59.54 | Fin | oh, oh that's awful |
| 22:59.56 | Fin | 5 points sir |
| 22:59.58 | Cartas | lol |
| 23:00.17 | chiper | this is the problem with a multi-threaded chat environment, you can never be sure just which conversation someone's on |
| 23:00.28 | chiper | Cartas: that actually made me chuckle |
| 23:00.31 | Fin | the problem and the joy |
| 23:00.32 | Cartas | We should use walkie-talkies only, right? |
| 23:00.33 | Cartas | Aw <3 |
| 23:00.44 | Cartas | Glad I could brighten your day with such a thought-provoking joke. |
| 23:00.51 | Fin | so am I! |
| 23:01.08 | chiper | I likes a good pun |
| 23:01.20 | Fin | I likes an awful pun, too |
| 23:01.31 | Cartas | lol |
| 23:01.35 | Cartas | I haven't shown you one yet, Fin. |
| 23:01.49 | Fin | I am bating my breath as we speak |
| 23:01.49 | Fin | type |
| 23:01.55 | Cartas | Hmm... *thinks* |
| 23:01.56 | Fin | you know what I mean |
| 23:02.14 | Fin | back in a bit though - gf arrived home in a fury |
| 23:02.18 | Cartas | lol |
| 23:02.24 | Cartas | Ask her to mount you. |
| 23:02.28 | Cartas | Maybe you'll get a joke out of it |
| 23:03.16 | Fin | I think probably I'll just suggest she spec arms instead |
| 23:03.18 | Fin | ahaha! |
| 23:03.23 | Fin | *gone* |
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| 23:03.45 | chiper | again with the highflying pun |
| 23:04.14 | Cartas | Haha, Chiper. |
| 23:04.18 | Cartas | Very... PUNNY! |
| 23:04.26 | Cartas | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. |
| 23:04.40 | chiper | wait, what? |
| 23:04.46 | Cartas | I'm kidding, don't worry. |
| 23:04.52 | Cartas | That's the worst pun in the world that anyone can make. |
| 23:04.55 | Cartas | Don't make pun of me. |
| 23:05.01 | Cartas | Similarly to that one. |
| 23:05.15 | Cartas | Replacing 'fun' with 'pun' should never be done. |
| 23:05.18 | Cartas | That's my rule. |
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| 23:05.34 | WobWork | it's like rhyming death with breath |
| 23:06.00 | Dashkal | phew! Took long enough to catch up |
| 23:06.12 | Cartas | Hm? :o |
| 23:06.16 | Cartas | You've been reading everything? |
| 23:06.21 | chiper | uhg, so sick of building these damn workstations |
| 23:06.31 | ag` | send them to me |
| 23:06.35 | ag` | I'll build them |
| 23:06.59 | Pkekyo| | Dashkal: you actually read all that crap? |
| 23:07.00 | Dashkal | Yeah, I'm bad that way |
| 23:07.05 | Cartas | :) |
| 23:07.09 | Cartas | Did you see my mount joke? |
| 23:07.12 | Cartas | Did you chuckle? |
| 23:07.14 | Dashkal | yes, and I groaned |
| 23:07.19 | Cartas | Haha. |
| 23:07.24 | Cartas | I was giving it as a bad example of a WoW joke! |
| 23:07.26 | Cartas | Worry not, old chap. |
| 23:07.28 | Dashkal | *shame* |
| 23:07.30 | Cartas | lol |
| 23:07.47 | Cartas | It was either that or not understanding a foreigner because you don't speak Orcish, I think. |
| 23:07.59 | Dashkal | That one I haven't made yet :p |
| 23:08.07 | Cartas | So Pkekyo|: I hear you don't like CCTV cameras? |
| 23:08.27 | Dashkal | ahem |
| 23:08.29 | Cartas | :o |
| 23:08.33 | Cartas | How'd you lift and throw that?! |
| 23:08.46 | Dashkal | garry's mod. |
| 23:08.48 | chiper | he said large, not solid |
| 23:09.03 | Cartas | Are you trying to say it could've been liquid? |
| 23:09.06 | chiper | it doesnt count when it's made of brass |
| 23:09.15 | Cartas | I'm confused now. |
| 23:09.20 | Dashkal | So am I O.o |
| 23:09.24 | chiper | hollow, cartas, hollow |
| 23:09.28 | Cartas | Oh right. |
| 23:09.34 | Cartas | I was thinking too scientifically! |
| 23:09.39 | chiper | yes, you were |
| 23:09.48 | Cartas | NOT THE GAS ANVIL! |
| 23:09.57 | Dashkal | You don't want to be near _that_ one |
| 23:10.00 | Pkekyo| | CartasSo Pkekyo|: I hear you don't like CCTV cameras? |
| 23:10.00 | Pkekyo| | yeah, and I hear...fuck you! :) |
| 23:10.02 | chiper | lol |
| 23:10.04 | Dashkal | It's not oxygen... |
| 23:10.05 | Cartas | Hahaha! <3 |
| 23:10.17 | Cartas | When do you get to London then, Pkekyo|? |
| 23:10.30 | Pkekyo| | Tomorrow evening |
| 23:10.33 | Cartas | I'll get the press to welcome you with all their cameras. |
| 23:10.39 | Pkekyo| | no, monday evening |
| 23:10.44 | Pkekyo| | oh, and once again; fuck you |
| 23:10.48 | Cartas | <3 |
| 23:10.50 | Pkekyo| | and I have no problem with the public press :) |
| 23:10.55 | Cartas | Erm... |
| 23:10.59 | Cartas | They're worse than the government in England. |
| 23:11.12 | Pkekyo| | it's a media, unlike CCTV cameras |
| 23:11.14 | Cartas | They actually plan beforehand to capture with intent to harm! |
| 23:11.29 | Dashkal | If I may *gasp* ask something on topic... Does anybody know approximently how spammy group calender is? |
| 23:11.41 | Cartas | The topic is CCTV cameras. |
| 23:11.48 | Cartas | :O |
| 23:11.51 | chiper | haha |
| 23:12.00 | Cartas | It's not been updated yet. |
| 23:12.07 | Dashkal | good |
| 23:12.16 | Cartas | Today, or tomorrow for Pkekyo|, is CCTV camera discussion barbeque day. |
| 23:12.21 | Dashkal | but seriously. Anybody have a ballpark? I've never analyzed it |
| 23:12.45 | Cartas | You're up late, aren't you, Pkekyo|? :O |
| 23:12.52 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r63763 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Muru.lua: BigWigs: Sunwell/M'uru: add template |
| 23:12.58 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: nah, still early, only midnight here |
| 23:13.07 | Cartas | Ah, touché, old chap. |
| 23:13.11 | Cartas | Although early is relative! |
| 23:13.31 | Pkekyo| | I hardly sleep at all, so meh...pretty much anytime is early for me |
| 23:13.38 | Cartas | You have insomnia? |
| 23:13.39 | Pkekyo| | not to mention UGT appliances... |
| 23:13.55 | Pkekyo| | used to...nowadays I just have problems with one day only having 24 hours in it... |
| 23:15.09 | chiper | eh, you'd just fill up the remaining time if they got longer |
| 23:15.17 | Fin | Seerah|away: thanks! |
| 23:15.20 | kergoth | ckknight: how's dogtag-3.0 coming? |
| 23:15.35 | Fin | Seerah|away: I was actually at work when I uploaded the new version |
| 23:15.38 | Pkekyo| | chiper: it's a way to say that I've got too much to do and too little time to do it ;) |
| 23:16.13 | chiper | Pkekyo|: I know, I was being facetious |
| 23:16.40 | Pkekyo| | ~dict facetious |
| 23:16.45 | ckknight | kergoth: pretty well, the whole system behind it is changed from 2.0, it's no longer unit-based, it's namespace-oriented, where one namespace is unit, it also has a kwargs system (like python) |
| 23:16.57 | ckknight | overall, it's shaping up to be a very good general tag syntax system |
| 23:16.57 | Pkekyo| | chiper: is it another word for 'cunt'? :p |
| 23:17.00 | Cartas | Pkekyo|! |
| 23:17.06 | Pkekyo| | Cartas: que? |
| 23:17.06 | Cartas | You said you didn't have enough time to program, didn't you? |
| 23:17.17 | Pkekyo| | I don't, I have too much other shit on my plate |
| 23:17.24 | Fin | ~google define:facetious |
| 23:17.24 | ckknight | kergoth: I also have a huge testsuite, which is so handy |
| 23:17.47 | Fin | worth a try I suppose |
| 23:17.51 | Pkekyo| | chiper: that was not facetious |
| 23:17.58 | chiper | Facetious, bantering: cleverly amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks"; "tongue-in-cheek advice" |
| 23:18.28 | chiper | it was meant to be, now if you took it a different way that's your own fault |
| 23:18.30 | Cartas | I agree with Pkekyo| here, I'm afraid, Chiper. |
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| 23:19.28 | Dashkal | ckknight: Just an off curiosity: How easy/hard is it to plug into dogtag 3 and add new tags? |
| 23:19.37 | ckknight | it will be extremely easy |
| 23:19.44 | aestil | dogtag 3? |
| 23:19.45 | aestil | wtf? |
| 23:19.54 | ckknight | also, if you're not a unit-based addon, you won't include the unit module |
| 23:20.07 | ckknight | it'll basically be split into two, Base and Unit |
| 23:20.13 | ckknight | for now, at least |
| 23:20.18 | Dashkal | hot |
| 23:20.29 | ckknight | yea, so you'd basically register a namespace and then add tags to that namespace |
| 23:20.44 | ckknight | and then for your fontstrings (or just plain evaluation), you'd specify what namespaces you're using |
| 23:20.57 | ckknight | and any default kwargs |
| 23:21.06 | ckknight | e.g. CowTip will specify unit = 'mouseover' by default |
| 23:21.54 | ckknight | the new system will basically work like [CurHP("player")] => [CurHP(unit="player")], but if unit = 'player' is specified by the addon, then just [CurHP] will suffice |
| 23:22.28 | ckknight | in any event, it's not done |
| 23:22.33 | Dashkal | will single-parameter tags require the name of the parameter? |
| 23:22.36 | Nandini | do you plan on adding support for embedded textures into fontstrings in DT3? |
| 23:22.42 | ckknight | Dashkal: you never have to supply the name |
| 23:22.44 | ckknight | but you can |
| 23:22.47 | Dashkal | perfect |
| 23:22.50 | ckknight | Nandini: yes |
| 23:23.00 | Nandini | i can imagine, for example, parrot fontstrings with their skill icons already attached |
| 23:23.01 | ckknight | but basically, let's say you have a Subtract tag |
| 23:23.11 | ckknight | Nandini: Parrot-2.0 will be released using LibDogTag-3.0 |
| 23:23.27 | ckknight | So [Subtract(left=2, right=1)] => 1 |
| 23:23.33 | ckknight | [Subtract(2, 1)] => 1 |
| 23:23.34 | aestil | ckknight: power aura type module for parrot-2.0? |
| 23:23.43 | ckknight | [Subtract(right=2, left=1)] => -1 |
| 23:23.48 | ckknight | aestil: not sure yet |
| 23:23.50 | WobWork | ~x de en kuschel |
| 23:23.57 | aestil | ckknight: i plead with you. |
| 23:24.02 | ckknight | gotta get DogTag done first |
| 23:24.07 | aestil | if its a module, people can use it or not. |
| 23:24.15 | ckknight | dude, don't harsh on me about it |
| 23:24.24 | ckknight | I have a lot of things to work on |
| 23:24.25 | aestil | but it makes alot of sense to build it in as a trigger to parrot. |
| 23:24.28 | aestil | i know you do. |
| 23:24.37 | ckknight | I will be working on parrot later |
| 23:24.38 | aestil | and a full time job of boring coding now! |
| 23:24.39 | ckknight | when I am, ask me then |
| 23:24.45 | Xinhuan | wait, why does parrot need dogtag? |
| 23:24.48 | ckknight | aestil: curse's code is annoying, not boring |
| 23:24.54 | ckknight | Xinhuan: it already uses a custom tag system |
| 23:25.07 | Chompers | i bet parrot-2.0 is actually skynet |
| 23:25.09 | Chompers | just you wait |
| 23:25.13 | Xinhuan | hah |
| 23:25.21 | aestil | Xinhuan: i can see it being useful to really customize how you display scrolling text. |
| 23:25.45 | zapl|away | btw.. is there a way to add a tag into dt2/3 for taget unit kills needed for quests? like [questprogress] => 7/10 |
| 23:25.51 | Xinhuan | hmmm possibly |
| 23:25.52 | Chompers | ckk, any plans for a tag sharing system? |
| 23:25.58 | ckknight | example? |
| 23:26.10 | Nandini | i want a FCT replacement that anchors its outgoing dmg and heals to visible nameplates by guid in 2.4 |
| 23:26.14 | aestil | should be a thing on the forums. |
| 23:26.16 | ckknight | zapl|away: no reason why not |
| 23:26.23 | Chompers | i share huge lines of tags with friends over vent chat |
| 23:26.29 | Chompers | something ingame would be awesome |
| 23:26.34 | ckknight | Chompers: perhaps... |
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| 23:26.49 | aestil | Chompers: like pitbull's layout sharing system? |
| 23:26.54 | Nandini | chompers, why can't you share it via a whisper? |
| 23:26.55 | Chompers | maybe a guild share area |
| 23:26.57 | ckknight | Nandini: do nameplates tell you what guid it is? |
| 23:26.57 | aestil | it would make sense per addon. |
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| 23:27.12 | aestil | like, for cowtip to be able to send templates in game. |
| 23:27.13 | Nandini | ckknight: only after you have personally moused over the unit once or targeted it |
| 23:27.17 | Chompers | they're so long, they don't all fit in + not everyone can copy/paste ingame text |
| 23:27.18 | aestil | i don't see how it should be built into dogtag. |
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| 23:28.18 | Chompers | and a clear button for the line edit page |
| 23:28.19 | Nandini | oh wait, maybe you can't make that correlation yet from nameplate to guid |
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| 23:28.37 | Nandini | i thought once it got moused over it could be added in |
| 23:28.37 | aestil | Nandini: what if you aren't in range for nameplates? |
| 23:28.40 | Chompers | one click and everything is deleted, so many people don't delete the whole line and have tag fragments everywhere |
| 23:28.52 | Xinhuan | wow i have 430 fps in one of the tunnels in dire maul |
| 23:29.06 | Nandini | aestil: if you're not in range (or have nameplated disabled) a default area for scrolling would be wise (a fallback) |
| 23:29.25 | aestil | Nandini: i thing in practice that would be really difficult to filter |
| 23:29.35 | aestil | plus, things can be in nameplate range, but not in LOS |
| 23:29.46 | aestil | like, behind your view, or off to the left of your view, whatever. |
| 23:30.06 | aestil | the FCT wouldn't be visible. |
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| 23:30.09 | CIA-9 | aX_RaidStatus: |
| 23:30.09 | CIA-9 | - Fix: Externals problem with Images folder. lol |
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| 23:51.40 | Xinhuan | wow |
| 23:51.41 | Xinhuan | read this |
| 23:51.42 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103773379&postId=51032556993&sid=1#74 |
| 23:52.16 | Hrack | nerf druid imo |
| 23:52.22 | Gagorian | That's a bit old already :C |
| 23:52.29 | CIA-9 | 03phanx * r63768 10GridStatusHealingReduced/ (6 files): |
| 23:52.29 | CIA-9 | GridStatusHealingReduced: |
| 23:52.29 | CIA-9 | - added missing debuff names to all localization files, commented out, so it's obvious what's missing without having to compare lists |
| 23:52.29 | CIA-9 | - moved localization file comments ("translated by", etc) to the bottom of files so line numbers are consistent |
| 23:53.18 | Xinhuan | 8% mage |
| 23:53.20 | Xinhuan | LOLOOL |
| 23:53.20 | Dashkal | eh, the (overdue) nerf to the PvP sets should set those numbers straight pretty quickly |
| 23:53.29 | Dashkal | I still wanna see some feral arena love, though |
| 23:53.40 | chiper | xin: yeah, looks like mages need a little love |
| 23:53.46 | Cryect | Yeah, druids are only represented really by resto druids |
| 23:54.01 | chiper | well he did point out that it doesnt take specs into account |
| 23:54.01 | Shirik|zZz | wtf are they watching |
| 23:54.03 | Dashkal | I'm not gonna whore myself out to resto-cookie-cutter just to get some welfare epics only useful for farming more welfare epics :p |
| 23:54.10 | Shirik|zZz | Seems like every 2v2 team I go against is mage-rogue |
| 23:54.11 | Cryect | and they have no way to nerf them really without really badly hurting resto druids in PvE |
| 23:54.15 | Xinhuan | They removed the MS from shamans FT weapon/totem, also alots of talents don't break CC anymore like Cleave, Swipe, and Avengers shield. Lifetap changes have also been reverted. |
| 23:54.24 | Xinhuan | Shirik|zZz, i bet that 8% are all rogue/mage |
| 23:54.24 | chiper | I'm sure if you broke druid and priest up by spec, you'd see more balanced numbers |
| 23:54.30 | CIA-9 | 03arrowmaster * r63769 10/trunk/ (11 files in 11 dirs): . use taged copies of PerodicTable-3.0 and DogTag-1.0 |
| 23:55.11 | Saiba_Samurai | Anyone know how to turn off auto marking with MagicMarker? |
| 23:55.32 | chiper | isnt the whole idea that it automarks? |
| 23:55.47 | Cryect | well I think when you aren't wanting to mark? |
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| 23:58.20 | Killmore | like, outside instance :P |
| 23:58.25 | Killmore | its annoying :( |
| 23:58.27 | Saiba_Samurai | No I mean.. |
| 23:58.32 | Saiba_Samurai | Like I want to select a target then hit a key |
| 23:58.39 | Saiba_Samurai | It's marking them just by selecting them |
| 23:58.45 | Saiba_Samurai | I want it to wait for me to hit a pre-defined key |
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| 23:59.00 | xyu | Then uninstall it. and use the keybindings |
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| 23:59.34 | Saiba_Samurai | I do use keybindings :) |
| 23:59.37 | Saiba_Samurai | I want to set this up |
| 23:59.50 | Saiba_Samurai | I am not afraid to help people test things and get an idea going |
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