| 00:02.05 | sylvanaar | another fun fact, 50% of the addons have revision 60000 or higher |
| 00:02.30 | Antiarc | TOC bumps? :P |
| 00:03.09 | Dashkal | svn ls http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/ | wc -l -> 1403 |
| 00:04.35 | sylvanaar | 80% have revisions 40000+ |
| 00:05.20 | Chaud | some of these people are pro |
| 00:05.21 | pastamancer | sylvanaar: no clue http://svn.wowace.com/mkfiles/trunk/pylocal/AceSubversionRepository.py |
| 00:05.23 | Chaud | "Would just love to see an addon that would catch the closest map-node to ie mines or herbs and put a cartographer-like waypoint arrow to this." |
| 00:05.51 | Arrowmaster | people always ask for that |
| 00:05.54 | Dashkal | ponders |
| 00:05.59 | Chaud | but why =( |
| 00:06.05 | Chaud | basic searching should find it |
| 00:06.22 | Dashkal | I thought it was possible (though a complete PITA) to get at those icons |
| 00:06.42 | Chaud | its even part of Cartographer Complete on curse |
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| 00:07.43 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 00:07.57 | NivFreak | Vashj leaves me feeling weak and stupid |
| 00:07.59 | NivFreak | love it ;) |
| 00:08.52 | Chaud | http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/07-04-2008/104803-us_sniper_bush_pants_down-0 |
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| 00:10.14 | azraelo | Whatever you guys do, don't listen to pastamancer! |
| 00:10.35 | sag_ich_nicht | agree'd |
| 00:11.29 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer: why does it not show percentage all the time? the name overrides it many times and sometimes it comes back somtimes not |
| 00:11.44 | sag_ich_nicht | like what i had before except afte your commit it affects all partymembers |
| 00:11.56 | sag_ich_nicht | i think whatever you did commit, you should have done the exact reverse :P |
| 00:12.11 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: I have no idea how you have things setup, but if you put unit health as the only thing on the text2 indicator, you should be fine |
| 00:12.24 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 00:12.25 | sag_ich_nicht | hold on |
| 00:12.32 | kergoth | hrm |
| 00:13.06 | CIA-39 | 03sylvanaar * r68525 10FixMe/: Fixed |
| 00:13.19 | sag_ich_nicht | ooooooooooooh |
| 00:13.21 | sag_ich_nicht | ohohohoho |
| 00:13.24 | pastamancer | lolo |
| 00:13.26 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer that is pretty |
| 00:13.28 | sag_ich_nicht | thank you. |
| 00:13.38 | azraelo | Yes, pastamancer is pretty |
| 00:13.42 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: give ss |
| 00:13.50 | pastamancer | azraelo: you've got a pretty mouth |
| 00:13.51 | NivFreak | so how many of you use rock a MS warrior in t5/t6 content? |
| 00:13.54 | Dark_Elf | fixme got fixed yeehaw! |
| 00:13.57 | sag_ich_nicht | hold on |
| 00:14.02 | sag_ich_nicht | still have to swap some stuff around |
| 00:14.15 | kergoth | wtf is fixme? |
| 00:14.46 | pastamancer | "Fixes various problems with the current interface version. Will disable itself with each new WoW patch." |
| 00:15.13 | sylvanaar | ask Thrae |
| 00:15.14 | azraelo | Zeskie: you around? |
| 00:15.23 | sag_ich_nicht | kergoth: an old addon that fixed some stuff in the interface code back when we didn't have taint |
| 00:15.35 | sag_ich_nicht | so you could just go in and fuck the blizzard UI to be less buggy |
| 00:15.51 | sag_ich_nicht | just go read the code :P |
| 00:17.56 | sag_ich_nicht | woho |
| 00:17.57 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:17.58 | sag_ich_nicht | relog |
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| 00:22.43 | alcaras | hiding wow's extra action bars is apparently saved per account, not in wtf? |
| 00:22.55 | CIA-39 | 037destiny * r68526 10BigWigs/BlackTemple/Teron.lua: BigWigs: BlackTemple/Teron: koKR Update |
| 00:23.22 | pastamancer | alcaras: most of the interface options are per account, some even go cross-account |
| 00:23.49 | alcaras | i sometimes play my gf's warrior and she likes to have the action bars out, whereas i like to have them hidden :p |
| 00:24.06 | alcaras | apart from unchecking them everytime i log in and rechecking them everytime i log in, is there anything i can do to hide them? |
| 00:24.18 | alcaras | i.e. how can i find out their frame id or whatever so i can write a 4 line mod to hide them |
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| 00:27.15 | sag_ich_nicht | asasdfsaf |
| 00:27.16 | sag_ich_nicht | stab WoW |
| 00:27.37 | CIA-39 | 03kergoth * r68527 10RBM/DeBuffWatch/DeBuffWatch.lua: RBM: DeBuffWatch: add the buff from Darkmoon Cards Wrath and Blue Dragon. |
| 00:28.41 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer: http://loliserv.org/~afora/WoWScrnShot_040808_022514.jpg |
| 00:28.46 | sag_ich_nicht | it's a progressive JPEG and quite big |
| 00:28.46 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 00:28.51 | sag_ich_nicht | just spam F5 while i'm uploading it |
| 00:28.52 | sag_ich_nicht | :> |
| 00:29.10 | QuantumDelta | ping antiarc :P |
| 00:29.12 | sag_ich_nicht | no wait |
| 00:29.16 | sag_ich_nicht | it's uploaded already |
| 00:29.17 | sag_ich_nicht | awesome! |
| 00:29.18 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: loliserv? like for lolichan, you pervert! |
| 00:29.24 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer: no, not really |
| 00:29.26 | pastamancer | err lolicon |
| 00:30.10 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer: also not my server just stealing a shell account from a friend of mine on it :P |
| 00:30.21 | pastamancer | protadin? |
| 00:30.42 | Chaud | rofl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb7iOvS7Akc |
| 00:30.48 | sag_ich_nicht | will you look at the damn weapon at the damn back of my damn char. |
| 00:30.53 | QuantumDelta | Protadin! |
| 00:31.04 | Arrowmaster | silly undead warlocks are bitching that i just hit 1897 +shadow damage for a few seconds |
| 00:31.07 | sag_ich_nicht | will you look at the damn fucking SPELLS i have pulled out to 5 & 6 |
| 00:31.18 | Arrowmaster | now if only i had a shaman in my group |
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| 00:31.37 | pastamancer | oh, ret? |
| 00:31.39 | sag_ich_nicht | ya |
| 00:31.53 | sag_ich_nicht | !c EU Gul'dan Ruknor |
| 00:32.26 | alcaras | Anyone know how to hide the in-game extra action bars via a mod? e.g. XXXX:Hide(), what is XXXX |
| 00:32.27 | Primer | I was doing dailies in Quel'Denas on my lock when a warrior attacked me. I was in the process of pwning him when my kid logs in from home and boots me |
| 00:32.29 | Nandini | i need a big fat "i have died" button for recount :) i wonder if i could trigger it with a macro until 2.4.2 |
| 00:33.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Primer: QQ |
| 00:33.12 | Antiarc | QuantumDelta: Pong-ong-ong-ong-ong-ong-ong-ong-ong |
| 00:33.23 | Primer | sag_ich_nicht: never more than you |
| 00:33.23 | QuantumDelta | ahh |
| 00:33.54 | QuantumDelta | remember the Fanatacism (or however it's spelled) retri pally talent bug with threat1 a while ago antiarc? |
| 00:33.57 | QuantumDelta | It's back xD |
| 00:34.02 | pastamancer | Antiarc: MultiBarLeft, MultiBarRight |
| 00:34.06 | QuantumDelta | Threat2 doesn't seem to be picking it up |
| 00:34.07 | pastamancer | err, alcaras |
| 00:34.08 | sag_ich_nicht | (and YES what you see in the left lower corner of the screen is mighty hax to reproduce simplecombatlog and yes you can have it) |
| 00:34.11 | pastamancer | damn you a's |
| 00:34.22 | sag_ich_nicht | QuantumDelta: wut? |
| 00:34.29 | Antiarc | It's not picking up fanatacism? |
| 00:34.36 | sag_ich_nicht | *fanaticism |
| 00:34.42 | QuantumDelta | Well since our retri pally was at 149% my threat on teron ;\ |
| 00:34.46 | sag_ich_nicht | lern2spell |
| 00:34.51 | Antiarc | QuantumDelta: Your class? |
| 00:34.52 | QuantumDelta | and I was still tankings! |
| 00:34.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i doubt it |
| 00:34.56 | QuantumDelta | Prot pally ^^ |
| 00:34.56 | sag_ich_nicht | was working fine for me earlier |
| 00:35.12 | sag_ich_nicht | think it might be picking up YOUR threat wrong :P |
| 00:35.16 | QuantumDelta | ...yes we have the weirds setup :< |
| 00:35.17 | Antiarc | I think there are a few bugs yet to work out |
| 00:35.17 | QuantumDelta | hmm |
| 00:35.21 | QuantumDelta | also possible! |
| 00:35.24 | Antiarc | But thanks for the data point |
| 00:35.27 | QuantumDelta | I can do tests if you like |
| 00:35.41 | Primer | so I'm looking at http://us.gorgonnash.info/ how is it that several realms toward the bottom have the badge vendor monument done? |
| 00:35.42 | NivFreak | anyone know what 100% speed is in yards/sec? |
| 00:35.50 | QuantumDelta | ......Actually |
| 00:35.52 | Primer | some asshole changing the upload file manually and uploading it? |
| 00:36.15 | QuantumDelta | Now that I think about it, although I assumed it was just me being shit, my TPS has dropped a little recently |
| 00:36.23 | QuantumDelta | (4-900 TPS depending) |
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| 00:36.57 | NivFreak | 400TPS in what situation? =x |
| 00:37.15 | QuantumDelta | Single target tanking, erm....lets just say |
| 00:37.24 | QuantumDelta | Paladins scale insanely well with full raid buffs :< |
| 00:37.27 | NivFreak | ... |
| 00:37.29 | NivFreak | wait |
| 00:37.35 | NivFreak | are you saying you do 400TPS |
| 00:37.37 | NivFreak | single target tanking? |
| 00:37.37 | QuantumDelta | No. |
| 00:37.44 | NivFreak | oh, it DROPPED by that much? |
| 00:37.53 | QuantumDelta | 4-900 depending on what i'm doing |
| 00:37.57 | QuantumDelta | i just assumed it was shit luck |
| 00:38.00 | QuantumDelta | now I shall go test |
| 00:38.08 | QuantumDelta | Cuz I don't like doing half assed jobs |
| 00:38.18 | NivFreak | what kind of single target TPS numbers do you sustain |
| 00:38.30 | NivFreak | not peaks, sustained |
| 00:38.42 | QuantumDelta | 1.9 |
| 00:38.51 | NivFreak | jebus |
| 00:38.57 | QuantumDelta | But that's.... |
| 00:39.01 | NivFreak | someday I hope to meet another prot pally like you |
| 00:39.11 | NivFreak | I've yet to see one that can match my TPS |
| 00:39.13 | NivFreak | on single target |
| 00:39.19 | NivFreak | and I rarely sustain about 1300TPS |
| 00:39.22 | NivFreak | above |
| 00:39.25 | QuantumDelta | WF + WoA + Sanct Aura + SW + Mis + FoBL + Seal swapping ;\ |
| 00:39.34 | NivFreak | Mis == misdirect? |
| 00:39.36 | QuantumDelta | It's theorycrafted quite well on maintankadin |
| 00:39.37 | sag_ich_nicht | TAUREN ROGUE IN IRONFORGE! |
| 00:39.47 | QuantumDelta | misery or whatever the other buff is that gives you bonus dmg |
| 00:39.52 | NivFreak | ah |
| 00:39.55 | NivFreak | SW? |
| 00:40.09 | QuantumDelta | is'nt there a warlock one or something ;\ |
| 00:40.22 | NivFreak | curse of recklessness? |
| 00:40.31 | QuantumDelta | hmm guess i'm imagining shit |
| 00:40.35 | Nandini | curse of recklessness is reckless :) |
| 00:40.37 | QuantumDelta | i haven't slept since sat ;D |
| 00:40.46 | QuantumDelta | yea CoR only helps with white dmg sadly |
| 00:40.48 | NivFreak | Nandini: we use it on every fight but tidewalker |
| 00:40.58 | QuantumDelta | One sec NivFreak |
| 00:41.02 | NivFreak | imp DS + CoR == still reduced |
| 00:41.33 | Daemona | 02:40
QuantumDelta: yea CoR only helps with white dmg sadly |
| 00:41.35 | Daemona | bullshit |
| 00:41.45 | NivFreak | I think he means for threat |
| 00:41.47 | Daemona | less armor helps with any physical dmg not only white |
| 00:41.49 | Nandini | CoR helps with all physical dmg |
| 00:41.51 | QuantumDelta | .......As a Paladin tank Daemona :) |
| 00:41.51 | NivFreak | it doesn't help his seals |
| 00:41.57 | Daemona | -.- |
| 00:41.58 | NivFreak | or ret aura |
| 00:42.14 | QuantumDelta | We generate very little threat from our AA dmg |
| 00:42.14 | Nandini | most (all?) prot pally special dmg is spelldmg and not affected by armor |
| 00:42.21 | QuantumDelta | Correct :) |
| 00:42.43 | Primer | To complete the Badge Vendor Phase, you must talk (only one time and never again) with Smith Hauthaa (when spawned) on the Isle of Quel'Danas! |
| 00:42.45 | sag_ich_nicht | *not affected by anything but baseresist |
| 00:42.46 | Primer | eh? |
| 00:42.49 | sag_ich_nicht | BECAUSE LOL HOLY DAMAGE |
| 00:42.49 | sag_ich_nicht | :> |
| 00:42.59 | Primer | I don't understand that sentence |
| 00:43.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Primer: it's bullshit |
| 00:43.15 | sag_ich_nicht | to complete it you have to do the damn daily quests |
| 00:43.29 | QuantumDelta | http://www.failsafedesign.com/maintankadin/viewtopic.php?t=6132 and http://www.failsafedesign.com/maintankadin/viewtopic.php?t=4960 = best reading NivFreak |
| 00:43.36 | Chaud | DAILY QUESTS R HARD. |
| 00:43.45 | QuantumDelta | Though if you're not an alliance pally you have my sympathy :P |
| 00:44.01 | Nandini | Primer: I think he means in order for his addon to record the badge vendor as completed, you must have spoken to the badge vendor |
| 00:44.02 | sdouble | I love the shattered hand dailies. You can do tham all on the isle in about 30 minutes. |
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| 00:44.20 | Primer | Nandini: ahh, ok |
| 00:44.24 | Daemona | something totally different... i just noticed i have my frame rate drop every 10 seconds, exactly... anyone got an idea what that might be? |
| 00:44.28 | sdouble | maybe 45 with average luck on the stupid keys |
| 00:44.42 | DARKGuy | Hey, I want to make an AddOn downloader program for Linux. Does anybody have a document or something on how would I go into connecting to files.wowace.com and getting the AddOns? |
| 00:45.02 | Daemona | DARKGuy wget? |
| 00:45.02 | Nandini | DARKGuy: it's called HTTP :) |
| 00:45.03 | pastamancer | files.wowace.com/latest.xml |
| 00:45.08 | Primer | wget -o - http://www.curse.com | unzip - |
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| 00:45.38 | Chaud | OR you could just wait for WOWMATRIX linux edition =O |
| 00:45.43 | pastamancer | and use Accept-Encoding: gzip when you're downloading it |
| 00:45.45 | Primer | DARKGuy: problem is, someone already beat you to it. jwowupdater |
| 00:45.52 | alcaras | how can I hide the default wow extra action bars via an addon? |
| 00:46.02 | DARKGuy | yeah I have thought about wget but I thought there was another way to do so, ftp or svn or something |
| 00:46.04 | Arrowmaster | and the python downloader script |
| 00:46.08 | alcaras | if there're checked in interface but i want a mod to hide them? |
| 00:46.24 | Primer | alcaras: bongos does it |
| 00:46.26 | DARKGuy | Primer, I tried jwowupdater and the python downloader script, both suck when downloading the AddOns, there's always missing dependencies and so on, whereas WAU doesn't have those errors |
| 00:46.28 | Primer | check its code |
| 00:46.32 | alcaras | ok, ty primer |
| 00:46.44 | Bruners | DARKGuy: http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ |
| 00:46.45 | DARKGuy | besides I wanna make something native and user-friendly :P |
| 00:46.50 | Chaud | go wowmatrix rofl |
| 00:46.50 | Primer | DARKGuy: Works For Me⢠|
| 00:47.03 | DARKGuy | tried that one too, jwowupdater worked better than wuu |
| 00:47.11 | pastamancer | alcaras: for bar in pairs({MultiBarLeft, MultiBarRight}) do bar:UnregisterAllEvents(); bar:Hide() end |
| 00:47.13 | Primer | jwowupdater > WAU |
| 00:47.32 | alcaras | ty pastamanswer, does that get right1 and rigth2? |
| 00:47.37 | pastamancer | yeah |
| 00:47.46 | pastamancer | left is the left most of the two right bars |
| 00:47.52 | Chaud | Does anyone know of a simple addon that will auto-open clams and similar loot when picked up? Preferably something not overcomplicated and bloated with features I won't use." can that even be done |
| 00:47.59 | Chaud | err, missing the quote at the start |
| 00:48.00 | Arrowmaster | DARKGuy: nobody that uses linux will care about user friendly, since for them the python one is user friendly |
| 00:48.11 | pastamancer | you can get the frame name with /print GetMouseFocus():GetParent():GetName() when you mouseover an action button |
| 00:48.16 | charon | DARKGuy: there's also a python script somewhere that correctly handles latest.xml, svn checkouts etc, called wowace.py |
| 00:48.31 | DARKGuy | Arrowmaster, yeah sadly, it's what happens with some of the Linux people. I hate CLI stuff as much as I hate slash commands, so I want to make something more... human. |
| 00:48.45 | Primer | CLI > GUI |
| 00:48.47 | Primer | any day |
| 00:48.55 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck are you using linux if you dont like CLI |
| 00:48.57 | DARKGuy | Whatever floats your boat e.e |
| 00:49.12 | Nandini | Chaud: it can be done, i used to have an addon that did that, not sure if it still works, i'm looking for the name |
| 00:49.12 | CIA-39 | 03ckknight * r68528 10cgProfiler/ (cgProfiler.toc profile/profile.lua): cgProfiler - add a recentItems field to character profiles |
| 00:49.20 | Primer | I can run circles around you with your GUI by using my CLI |
| 00:49.27 | NivFreak | QuantumDelta: I was just curious about you personally |
| 00:49.28 | alcaras | ty again |
| 00:49.30 | NivFreak | I'm a prot warrior |
| 00:49.51 | NivFreak | and I don't see a lot of prot paladins sustaining over 1K TPS in the tier4/5 level |
| 00:49.52 | DARKGuy | Arrowmaster, because I want to :) |
| 00:50.31 | DARKGuy | Still, thanks charon, I'll take a look at that one and make a GUI version ^_^. |
| 00:50.52 | charon | there was even a gui.py that came with it, but it never worked and well, CLI>GUI any day |
| 00:51.09 | Chaud | Nandini: allrighty, someone asked on one of the forums I visit, wasn't sure if it was possible |
| 00:51.15 | Nandini | Chaud: the addon i used was LootFilter, it had an option to open items you specified in a list, probably more than you wanted |
| 00:51.40 | alcaras | pastamancer: thank you again, got it working :) |
| 00:52.10 | NivFreak | DARKGuy: jwu works great for me, as good as WAU if not better |
| 00:52.12 | pastamancer | alcaras: it's the UnregisterAllEvents part that's key... otherwise it'll pop up randomly |
| 00:52.13 | QuantumDelta | ahhh right NivFreak ;) |
| 00:52.28 | alcaras | heh, sounds like you're speaking from experience :) |
| 00:52.33 | QuantumDelta | Are you alliance or horde though NivFreak? |
| 00:52.38 | NivFreak | horde |
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| 00:52.49 | NivFreak | I actually have a kara geared prot paladin as well |
| 00:52.49 | NivFreak | b |
| 00:52.55 | pastamancer | bah, WUU isn't behaving |
| 00:52.57 | NivFreak | but I've never become very good with her |
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| 00:53.01 | NivFreak | since I don't enjoy the class |
| 00:53.14 | QuantumDelta | Hordies don't have it as easy as Alliance :< |
| 00:53.25 | alcaras | thanks again, now off to attempt kalecgos... |
| 00:53.28 | Nandini | i have a feral druid and a prot war, my prot pally is stuck at level 35 |
| 00:53.29 | NivFreak | SoV the difference? |
| 00:53.35 | QuantumDelta | they have to compete with tauren warriors/druids, and they have to compete with no SoV or Expertise racial |
| 00:53.44 | NivFreak | ah, yea |
| 00:53.46 | Chaud | my realm is up to several decent prot pallys now from ~2 that used to be here =o |
| 00:53.52 | QuantumDelta | Well...SoV's DoT does abit more damage than SoR on AA |
| 00:53.54 | Chaud | and we are high pop with free xfers off |
| 00:54.04 | NivFreak | my warrior is undead though, so I already deal with the tauren issue |
| 00:54.12 | QuantumDelta | SoV's judgement does a LOT More than SoR's judgement, AND on top of all of that |
| 00:54.21 | QuantumDelta | You can nuse SoR whilst maintaining SoVs dot and using JoV |
| 00:54.29 | QuantumDelta | it's insane ;) |
| 00:54.54 | Nandini | how many mana batteries do you need? :) |
| 00:54.55 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 00:55.22 | [eu]gunder | lots ^^ |
| 00:55.31 | QuantumDelta | err |
| 00:55.37 | QuantumDelta | well 1 spriest does help a lot :< |
| 00:55.47 | QuantumDelta | seal swapping is mana intensive |
| 00:55.54 | QuantumDelta | you NEVER have a GCD free |
| 00:56.11 | Nandini | most tanks never have a free gcd |
| 00:56.25 | Nandini | or maybe i just play my prot warrior like i play my druid. heheh |
| 00:56.29 | QuantumDelta | well horde pallys can't really do anything about it :< |
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| 00:56.38 | NightHawkTheSane | no, you never have spare gcds when tanking |
| 00:56.42 | NightHawkTheSane | regardless of clss |
| 00:56.55 | QuantumDelta | well.... |
| 00:57.17 | QuantumDelta | you have SoR..... which needs to be recast every 8 seconds after a judgement (no gcd on judgement) |
| 00:57.21 | QuantumDelta | consecration on 8 seconds |
| 00:57.25 | QuantumDelta | and holy shield on 10 |
| 00:57.30 | QuantumDelta | you can't really do more :<! |
| 00:57.34 | Nandini | i take that back, there are occasions when i have well established threat and won't attack during a frenzy type phase to avoid extra parries |
| 00:58.22 | Nandini | or i will scale back my specials at least |
| 00:59.10 | Nandini | i guess on my druid i could just spam demo roar or something heheh |
| 00:59.58 | [eu]gunder | frenzied regen? ^^ |
| 01:00.02 | Nandini | i've always been curious if demo roar adds threat when it doesn't apply a debuff, like if i have a warrior or lock |
| 01:00.04 | QuantumDelta | teehee |
| 01:00.40 | Nandini | i'm sure it doesn't add much threat in the first place even when it does apply the debuff |
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| 01:01.48 | Nandini | [eu]gunder: yes frenzied regen and trinketwall are saved for those wonderful frenzies |
| 01:02.08 | Nandini | it's no coincidence the ability is named "frenzied" regeneration i think :) |
| 01:03.34 | CIA-39 | 03benumbed * r68529 10DaHud/ (16 files in 7 dirs): |
| 01:03.34 | CIA-39 | DaHud: |
| 01:03.34 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.34 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.35 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.07 | [eu]gunder | well I'm currently leveling a druid and I must say that contested zones like un'goro crater are much quieter at 3am |
| 01:04.27 | kergoth | Apoco: well, that sucks. (re: buff re-application stuff) :\ |
| 01:04.52 | CIA-39 | 03benumbed * r68530 10DaHud/modules/Buffs/ (. Buffs.lua Core.lua): |
| 01:04.52 | CIA-39 | DaHud: |
| 01:04.52 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.46 | Apoco | kergoth: yeah :( |
| 01:06.05 | Apoco | I'm still trying to find a way, but yeah. I dont think its possible currently. |
| 01:06.05 | Nandini | i love my druids so much, when i play any of my other characters, i have this sneaking suspicion that my druids know and are getting jealous |
| 01:06.10 | Apoco | unless someone like ckknight has some super idea |
| 01:06.30 | kergoth | seems a waste to not be able to take full advantage of the spell id's, hope they add/change an api in a future patch |
| 01:06.48 | sdouble | that and implement an auction ID |
| 01:06.59 | QuantumDelta | uhm.. |
| 01:07.31 | Nandini | kergoth: unitbuff would probably be where most users would see the most benefit from more spellids in the api, but slouken hasn't commented at all on the forums about those requests |
| 01:07.45 | kergoth | :( |
| 01:07.52 | QuantumDelta | ping antiarc (sorry) is there any way to force omen2 to display only numbers rather than abbreviating it to 1.2k |
| 01:10.15 | Arrowmaster` | one of our shadow priests now has 319 spell haste at times |
| 01:10.25 | Arrowmaster` | he just got skull of gul'dan |
| 01:11.42 | *** part/#wowace Amadeo (n=amadeo@c-69-140-93-157.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 01:12.14 | Chaud | clearly a mage item |
| 01:12.25 | Gagorian | warlock item tbh |
| 01:12.27 | Arrowmaster | whats the issue with spellids? |
| 01:12.34 | Chaud | HUNTER ITEM. |
| 01:12.55 | Arrowmaster | Apoco: whats the spellid issue? |
| 01:13.03 | Arrowmaster | speaking of hunter items i know a hunter with a toep |
| 01:13.23 | Gagorian | talisman of ephemeral power?! |
| 01:13.24 | Gagorian | :D |
| 01:13.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 01:13.31 | Nandini | i think kergoth was just wishing spellids were used universally in api functions |
| 01:13.31 | Gagorian | right |
| 01:13.45 | kergoth | aye |
| 01:13.54 | Apoco | Arrowmaster: Unable to get spellID from UnitBuff/UnitDebuff API |
| 01:14.00 | Gagorian | yeah return spellid from ActionID plx |
| 01:14.03 | Apoco | and GetSpellLink won't work on any buffs/debuffs |
| 01:14.05 | Gagorian | Or buffs |
| 01:14.37 | NeoTron | so I've had top DKP for the skull for maybe 2 months now |
| 01:14.49 | NeoTron | and have forsaken gotten t6 gear (still 3 pieces only) to remain there |
| 01:14.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah your stuck making your own table and using GetSpellInfo() to get the name and texture to use for matching |
| 01:14.54 | NeoTron | and the fucking skull won't drop |
| 01:15.03 | Aiiane | so get t6 :P |
| 01:15.09 | Gagorian | We've had one gul'dan drop and we've killed illidan every week since september-october |
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| 01:15.21 | Gagorian | Give or take maybe christmas |
| 01:15.21 | Nandini | i'm surprised no one has tried to rewrite buff/debuff displays totally bypassing unitbuff when possible and relying on combat log events whenever they're available |
| 01:15.22 | Arrowmaster | 2nd kill and we just got one |
| 01:15.30 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: hax :< |
| 01:15.32 | NeoTron | I don't get it. We're looking for a resto shaman, enhance shaman and such.. and we get apps from mages |
| 01:15.40 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 01:15.42 | Arrowmaster | Gagorian: mainhand warglaive on first kill =D |
| 01:15.46 | NeoTron | :) |
| 01:15.52 | NeoTron | Aiiane: the second I go below top DKP the skull will drop, I can promise you that |
| 01:15.53 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: !!!!! |
| 01:16.01 | NeoTron | we got another healer trinket last night |
| 01:16.02 | Gagorian | Arrowmaster: We've had 16 hunter bows now. One off-hand glaive |
| 01:16.12 | vithos | we got a MH on first kill, OH on second kill |
| 01:16.17 | Arrowmaster | dont worry the rest of our loot sucks |
| 01:16.21 | Arrowmaster | nothing but vanq |
| 01:16.22 | NeoTron | and again this is why pvers hate pvpers and their guaranteed epix |
| 01:16.28 | NeoTron | to random |
| 01:17.21 | Gagorian | well lets hope sunwell is better for caster dps |
| 01:17.30 | Gagorian | Hasn't started well though |
| 01:17.35 | Gagorian | Only healer and melee random epacs |
| 01:17.46 | Xelopheris | Sunwell is very melee unfriendly |
| 01:17.51 | Bruners | and the fact that you can suck big time and still get epics |
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| 01:18.25 | NeoTron | that too |
| 01:18.35 | NeoTron | I like the idea of making it 10 won games per week to get points |
| 01:18.42 | Chaud | I don't =( |
| 01:18.47 | NeoTron | makes a lot more sense than 10 played games |
| 01:19.00 | Arrowmaster` | lol |
| 01:19.06 | Chaud | how would people sell points! |
| 01:19.09 | kergoth | Antiarc: i've noticed some seemingly duplicate entries in mobspells, maybe due to the merge of the branch, sv format change perhaps? /shrug |
| 01:19.10 | Kemayo | But then I'd have to rename my 2v2! |
| 01:19.15 | Nandini | NeoTron, if you do that, 50% of players would never be able to get any points |
| 01:19.34 | Arrowmaster` | i never get points anyway! |
| 01:19.37 | Gagorian | And that would be bad? |
| 01:19.45 | Bruners | Nandini: and those 50% will never get t6 |
| 01:19.45 | Chaud | selling points is nice money |
| 01:19.46 | NeoTron | Nandini: good |
| 01:20.08 | NeoTron | if you can't win 10 games you suck and don't deserve items |
| 01:20.14 | NeoTron | I didn't say you had to win 10/10 |
| 01:20.17 | NeoTron | could be 10/100 |
| 01:20.31 | NeoTron | Nandini: and yeah, way to miss the point ;-) |
| 01:20.38 | Chaud | too much work |
| 01:20.39 | vithos | of course you could still get points. you just have to lose enough to get to the rating you belong at first |
| 01:20.46 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 01:20.51 | Chaud | need to sell people points k. |
| 01:20.57 | NeoTron | you just wouldn't get points for afking |
| 01:20.59 | Gagorian | That would be better actually |
| 01:21.06 | Gagorian | Way better |
| 01:21.12 | Chaud | noes =( |
| 01:21.17 | Chaud | queue times go up even more |
| 01:21.25 | Chaud | I couldnt sell points ever again |
| 01:21.26 | NeoTron | who cares, really? |
| 01:21.29 | Chaud | less people play |
| 01:21.30 | Gagorian | Well that's why you don't play arena |
| 01:21.36 | Chaud | so maybe that would balance out |
| 01:21.47 | NeoTron | so you exploit the current system and don't wis it to change because it'd make you less gold? :P |
| 01:21.53 | Chaud | I don't sell anymore |
| 01:21.56 | Chaud | I sold s2 =p |
| 01:22.12 | Chaud | 2k in 3s for 600g/person/week |
| 01:22.23 | Gagorian | I'm getting bored of dragging two melee on me (warlock) for every game. |
| 01:22.34 | Gagorian | So good time to stop playing arena anyway |
| 01:22.42 | NeoTron | it could all be made better if pve gear gets more token based |
| 01:22.54 | NeoTron | and I"m not saying BoJ type tokens but tier specific/instance specific tokens |
| 01:23.08 | Chaud | summote gear stuff step in the right direction or no? |
| 01:23.10 | NeoTron | or boss tokens.. |
| 01:23.15 | NeoTron | it is |
| 01:23.19 | NeoTron | except that it requires a sunmote |
| 01:23.27 | Chaud | drop rate? |
| 01:23.28 | Gagorian | And it's a bit complex |
| 01:23.29 | NeoTron | which is stupid for half the raid that will always need it |
| 01:23.41 | NeoTron | and yeah you need to know which items you want to convert from |
| 01:23.42 | Gagorian | There's always some people who don't get it |
| 01:23.49 | Chaud | so have more loot drop overall? |
| 01:23.53 | NeoTron | we've gotten 10 or so I think after 6 days there? |
| 01:24.04 | Nandini | they said the same thing about nether vortexes, give it 6 months and i bet you can buy a sunmote for 20 badges of justice |
| 01:24.08 | NeoTron | I realized something though |
| 01:24.30 | Chaud | give it 6 months and no one will care |
| 01:24.30 | Gagorian | NeoTron: And craftables cost 4 sunmotes a piece. It's a bit stupid to have the item required for changes in mass craftable use. |
| 01:24.32 | vithos | yeah the problem is you get fuck all for sunmotes |
| 01:24.32 | NeoTron | I suspect the sunmote conversion is to a large degree to allow ppl to swap in their tank/heal gear for dps gear come wotlk |
| 01:24.34 | Chaud | deep in wotlk beta =) |
| 01:24.43 | sag_ich_nicht | HEY |
| 01:24.44 | sag_ich_nicht | ELLIPSIS |
| 01:24.46 | sag_ich_nicht | I GOT IT |
| 01:24.46 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/85294-3o7l |
| 01:24.47 | Chaud | nom nom nom |
| 01:24.48 | NeoTron | Gagorian: indeed |
| 01:24.55 | sag_ich_nicht | everyone check out that error :P |
| 01:25.03 | sag_ich_nicht | it is baaaaaaaaaaad |
| 01:25.14 | vithos | they need to add sunmotes to boss loot tables |
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| 01:25.44 | Gagorian | or remove sunmotes from craftables |
| 01:25.45 | NeoTron | it just seems stupid to 1) punish half the raid, 2) punish crafters since you need a buffer of sun motes for 1) |
| 01:25.54 | sag_ich_nicht | look |
| 01:25.58 | sag_ich_nicht | shut up and look at the pastey |
| 01:25.58 | Bruners | http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1207451591/Meet_Dick_Masterson_the_Most_Chauvinistic_Man_Alive <- funny |
| 01:26.01 | sag_ich_nicht | you probably wanna see it. |
| 01:26.09 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/85294-3o7l |
| 01:26.10 | NeoTron | Gagorian: I think it'd make more sense to remove sunmotes from the item conversion |
| 01:26.35 | Chaud | I like how BC turned out tbh |
| 01:26.36 | Gagorian | NeoTron: Well, it's there for a reason though. Preventing hybrids from going from spec to spec without any cost |
| 01:26.46 | Chaud | thanks to tailoring I can go to lower level raids with no raid gear |
| 01:26.47 | NeoTron | Gagorian: it's one-way |
| 01:26.51 | Chaud | and badge gear |
| 01:26.52 | NeoTron | why does it matter? |
| 01:26.55 | [eu]gunder | well respec isn't free you know |
| 01:27.02 | CIA-39 | 03phanx * r68531 10Cryolysis2/Locales/Locale-deDE.lua: Cryolysis2: fixed deDE locale file |
| 01:27.10 | NeoTron | if it was a concern, make it a token [cloth pants] that you turn into [heal cloth pants] or [dps cloth pants] |
| 01:27.13 | sag_ich_nicht | haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalp |
| 01:27.17 | sag_ich_nicht | look at the pastey |
| 01:27.19 | sag_ich_nicht | it make WoW craaaaaash |
| 01:27.22 | Chaud | no one cares wut |
| 01:27.24 | NeoTron | sag_ich_nicht: my god stop id already |
| 01:27.28 | Gagorian | NeoTron: That would be better |
| 01:27.34 | sag_ich_nicht | no because it crashes WoW NeoTron :P |
| 01:27.52 | NeoTron | I still think they did what they did specifically to allow you to change from heal to dps gear for leveling in wotlk |
| 01:28.06 | NeoTron | it makes no sense otherwise since it's a one-way conversion |
| 01:28.13 | NeoTron | sag_ich_nicht: correction. it crashes YOUR wow |
| 01:28.15 | Gagorian | Myes, I guess |
| 01:28.24 | sag_ich_nicht | NeoTron: no, i'm pretty sure it crashes any WoW. |
| 01:28.30 | NeoTron | no |
| 01:28.30 | Gagorian | Healing gear isn't that shit for leveling though now with the added spelldamage |
| 01:28.33 | Chaud | why does my cache folder become corrupt so much =\ |
| 01:28.38 | sag_ich_nicht | NeoTron: o rly |
| 01:28.39 | Chaud | had to delete it 3x in the past few months |
| 01:28.40 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: thats just the error message |
| 01:28.46 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: no shit |
| 01:28.48 | Gagorian | Can heal instances and do decent dps |
| 01:28.49 | NeoTron | sag_ich_nicht: I have never seen that error, thus it doesn't crash my wow |
| 01:28.51 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd never have guessed that |
| 01:28.54 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: cool it |
| 01:28.57 | NeoTron | I also don't use cowtip or what not |
| 01:29.07 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: I meant that theres no test case |
| 01:29.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
| 01:29.16 | Nandini | Chaud: imagine how much extra crap you had in your cache files from areas you visited once or flew over once in the past 3 months |
| 01:29.26 | sag_ich_nicht | so "it" doesn't crash wow yadda yadda yadda yadda |
| 01:29.27 | Nandini | and now imagine how much faster cache lookups are |
| 01:29.42 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: thats not where I was going either |
| 01:29.56 | Nandini | i purposely delete my game cache files afterwards if i spend a couple days leveling an alt |
| 01:29.57 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: without a test case we can't get the powers that be to fix it |
| 01:30.05 | sag_ich_nicht | if i knew how to reproduce it i'd do it |
| 01:30.06 | NeoTron | I hate the "ok what item does this give us" lookup period when an item drops |
| 01:30.09 | sag_ich_nicht | it alwass happens while inspecting |
| 01:30.12 | sag_ich_nicht | *always |
| 01:30.16 | NeoTron | did anyone by chance make an addon that has the twin items? :P |
| 01:30.22 | sag_ich_nicht | it doesn't crash my WoW directly |
| 01:30.23 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: try limiting the ammount of addons |
| 01:30.25 | Ellipsis | dude, sag_ich_nicht, shouldn't you sleep at some point? |
| 01:30.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: nevar |
| 01:30.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis it happened again |
| 01:30.54 | Ellipsis | you woke up with wet sheets? |
| 01:30.57 | NeoTron | anyhow time to head out. /me goes afk |
| 01:30.58 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 01:31.13 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: it happens randomly, i tried to reproduce it once inspecting people for 30 minutes in IF but to no avail, i don't have the time for addon limiting etc. |
| 01:31.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: http://pastey.net/85294-3o7l |
| 01:31.28 | sag_ich_nicht | it crashes on logout tho :P |
| 01:31.45 | sag_ich_nicht | crashed me directly when i didn't have as much memory free |
| 01:31.49 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: I have a theory that it's just the precise addons you have hooking tooltip show |
| 01:31.53 | Ellipsis | maybe in that right order |
| 01:31.57 | Ellipsis | causing an infinite loop |
| 01:32.04 | CIA-39 | 03phanx * r68532 10Nauticus/ (. NautCore.lua NautUI.lua Nauticus.toc): Nauticus: Updated embedded Astrolabe library; no more lockup when porting between continents! |
| 01:32.28 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: the lua engine shouldn't crash WoW ever tho :P |
| 01:32.32 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: when you say it crashes wow, you mean to the desktop? |
| 01:32.33 | Ellipsis | no, it shouldn't |
| 01:32.39 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: yupp |
| 01:32.40 | Ellipsis | but nor should addons be allocating more memory than you can possibly have |
| 01:32.45 | sag_ich_nicht | as in error box, blizz error catcher etc. |
| 01:32.54 | MentalPower | what kind of error? |
| 01:32.56 | Arrowmaster` | lol but the lua engine does crash wow |
| 01:32.57 | MentalPower | 132? |
| 01:32.59 | sag_ich_nicht | hold on |
| 01:33.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll pastey it :P |
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| 01:33.20 | QuantumDelta | Hmm... I finded interesting things for antiarc T_T |
| 01:33.25 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: http://pastey.net/85315 |
| 01:33.47 | Antiarc | kergoth: It uses the spell ID as a key, it shouldn't be able to dupe them |
| 01:33.56 | Antiarc | QuantumDelta: What'd you find? |
| 01:34.02 | NeoTron | oh yeah I love it |
| 01:34.16 | NeoTron | people are complaining that they see sparkles on mobs that had master looted items but no longer do |
| 01:34.21 | QuantumDelta | Well |
| 01:34.28 | QuantumDelta | Omen doesn't pick up power gains for threat generation |
| 01:34.32 | NeoTron | it's because people aren't looting their own mobs |
| 01:34.33 | QuantumDelta | for me* |
| 01:34.36 | CIA-39 | 03washuu * r68533 10flagRSP2/ (flagRSP2.lua flagRSP2.toc options.lua): flagRSP2: Fixed tons of bugs. |
| 01:34.39 | NeoTron | and I'm glad everyone else gets to feel the main now |
| 01:34.42 | Antiarc | QuantumDelta: Ooooh. |
| 01:34.42 | QuantumDelta | Paladins gain mana when they're healed |
| 01:34.46 | Antiarc | That would explain a lot of things. |
| 01:34.49 | QuantumDelta | that mana generates threat |
| 01:34.49 | Antiarc | I'll check that right now. |
| 01:34.58 | kergoth | Antiarc: ah, must just be similar spellsw ith the same id |
| 01:35.00 | QuantumDelta | same with buff gains |
| 01:35.01 | kergoth | er, same name |
| 01:35.21 | NivFreak | Spiritual attunement generates threat? I had no idea |
| 01:35.24 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: I'm guessing you sent blizz the error reports? |
| 01:35.26 | Antiarc | kergoth: Yeah, I've seen same-named stuff pop up before the merge |
| 01:35.46 | NeoTron | back in the days you used to get threat from having +mp5 items |
| 01:35.47 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: yupp, with the pastey in it |
| 01:35.53 | NeoTron | well |
| 01:35.53 | Arrowmaster` | heh looks like they made sure that date(nil, really big number) doesnt crash wow like it does windows lua binaries |
| 01:35.55 | NeoTron | maybe you still do |
| 01:36.13 | NeoTron | but still I remember pre-misdirect pulls of drakes in BWL when someone had used mana and their mana gain ticked and they pulled aggro |
| 01:36.18 | CIA-39 | 03scorpio0920 * r68534 10GlowFoSho/locales/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
| 01:36.18 | CIA-39 | GlowFoSho: |
| 01:36.18 | CIA-39 | - Update zhTW localization. |
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| 01:36.49 | Nandini | feral druids also have threat causing rage/energy gains when they crit or have 2pc-t4 bonus |
| 01:36.51 | sag_ich_nicht | still, this shouldn't be happening |
| 01:36.55 | Antiarc | Priests with mp/5 bracers: Oldschool misdirects. |
| 01:37.12 | Arrowmaster` | NeoTron: i dont since we never pulled the drakes that far, but we did ahve people cast buffs right after the pull |
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| 01:38.33 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower maybe you and ckknight take a look at that seeing as the hooking from enhtooltip, cowtip & tiphookerlib are involved? (given that whitetooth isn't on IRC who's the author of tiphookerlib) |
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| 01:39.09 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: thats like finding a needle in a rather large haystack |
| 01:39.13 | sag_ich_nicht | i know :P |
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| 01:39.19 | Nandini | i've pulled aggro by buffing people with motw too in combat |
| 01:39.22 | sag_ich_nicht | but i think blizz won't have it much easier either lacking a testcase :P |
| 01:39.31 | NeoTron | we used to use pets to pull with |
| 01:39.37 | NeoTron | man the fun |
| 01:39.44 | Nandini | if someone proximity aggroes a mob and i buff someone, i will pull aggro |
| 01:39.46 | Arrowmaster` | everybody used to use pets to pull with |
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| 01:40.03 | NeoTron | well yes |
| 01:40.09 | Xelopheris | no, everyone used to have a mage run in and iceblock |
| 01:40.12 | NivFreak | yea, thank god for misdirect |
| 01:40.14 | sag_ich_nicht | well i could also just be an annoying dick like always and bother Xinhuan & Shirik with it because they have nothing else to do in their life anyway :P |
| 01:40.25 | Shirik | wait what? |
| 01:40.26 | NivFreak | although, we had two hunters try to misdirect the same person last week |
| 01:40.28 | NeoTron | Xelopheris: paladin shield is a good one |
| 01:40.31 | NeoTron | we used that on gar |
| 01:40.31 | NivFreak | one of them died ;) |
| 01:40.33 | NeoTron | garr |
| 01:40.48 | Xelopheris | When I said everyone, I meant all the cool people |
| 01:40.49 | Nandini | i wonder if you could buff aggro a mob all the way down a long hallway or something, that would be funny :) |
| 01:40.51 | Xelopheris | in other words: horde |
| 01:41.00 | NivFreak | heh |
| 01:41.10 | Nandini | people stand in a long line down the hall, and just buff the next guy as soon as he gets aggro |
| 01:41.19 | *** part/#wowace Lotekk- (n=Lotekk@unaffiliated/lotekk-) |
| 01:41.22 | NeoTron | a classic, but nerfed, nef tanking method used to use warrior group buff |
| 01:41.27 | NeoTron | was it battle shouting? |
| 01:41.31 | NivFreak | yea |
| 01:41.33 | NivFreak | hah |
| 01:41.37 | NivFreak | they nerfed that |
| 01:41.39 | vithos | if you land two misdirects simultaneously, they cancel each other and use both cooldowns |
| 01:41.50 | NivFreak | vithos: haha, that's amusing |
| 01:42.06 | NivFreak | vithos: the end result for us was the higher DPS hunter that didn't have his MD up dying |
| 01:42.08 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: clear your cache folder |
| 01:42.09 | NeoTron | anyhow really heading out now |
| 01:42.33 | MentalPower | (while WoW is closed) |
| 01:42.43 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: did you notice any pattern to the items that were causing the problem? |
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| 01:43.40 | QuantumDelta | Antiarc: Anything damage related seems to be in order |
| 01:43.45 | QuantumDelta | for prot paladins* |
| 01:44.27 | Antiarc | checking the mana stuff |
| 01:45.12 | Antiarc | QuantumDelta: Threat gains from mana are working for me. |
| 01:45.19 | Xelopheris | Anyone figure out if felmyst drops aggro between phases or not? |
| 01:45.32 | QuantumDelta | hmm :\ |
| 01:45.47 | QuantumDelta | Druid came over and healed me for 4k hp (effective healing) |
| 01:45.53 | QuantumDelta | didn't gain a *single* point of threat from SA |
| 01:45.57 | Antiarc | While you were in combat and were missing health and mana? |
| 01:46.01 | QuantumDelta | yea |
| 01:46.07 | *** join/#wowace orican (n=orican@60-241-56-168.tpgi.com.au) |
| 01:46.08 | Antiarc | I'll test again |
| 01:46.14 | QuantumDelta | i'll double check too |
| 01:46.16 | Antiarc | I threw in debug messages and it seems to work just fine |
| 01:46.49 | CIA-39 | 03scorpio0920 * r68535 10FuBar_RecountFu/RecountFu.lua: |
| 01:46.49 | CIA-39 | FuBar_RecountFu: |
| 01:46.49 | CIA-39 | - Update zhTW localization. |
| 01:46.51 | QuantumDelta | dummy non combat numbers ya mean? |
| 01:47.06 | Antiarc | No, I put in debug messages to watch what's happening |
| 01:47.11 | Antiarc | And it seems to follow the code paths correctly |
| 01:48.09 | hypetech | Grid is truncating my group 6 >.> |
| 01:48.21 | kenlyric | bah! |
| 01:48.45 | sag_ich_nicht | [03:42] <Ellipsis> sag_ich_nicht: did you notice any pattern to the items that were causing the problem? <--nope |
| 01:49.33 | Xelopheris | lesigh, wtb fights less buttfucking to melee |
| 01:49.48 | Ellipsis | what about the people you were inspecting? all dps, healers, something? |
| 01:49.57 | QuantumDelta | hmm |
| 01:50.09 | Antiarc | QuantumDelta: Worksforme. |
| 01:50.09 | sag_ich_nicht | well i as inspecting a ret paladin at the time |
| 01:50.11 | QuantumDelta | got the mana bit to work Antiarc so I guess I'm going nuts xD |
| 01:50.15 | sag_ich_nicht | flaming her equip :P |
| 01:50.20 | QuantumDelta | still mises ability gains though |
| 01:50.32 | sag_ich_nicht | *i was |
| 01:50.34 | Nandini | Antiarc: is there a "threatlog" available in debug mode? |
| 01:50.34 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: is it someone you know? |
| 01:50.44 | chiper | wtf... talanted wont load a template |
| 01:50.55 | Antiarc | Nandini: Sorta. It writes a bunch of debug messages :P |
| 01:51.02 | Antiarc | It may not be a bad idea to write a threatlog. |
| 01:51.09 | QuantumDelta | err.....example buffing BoL on a druid that's only gained agro on a mob from thorns, or gaining agro on mobs during a pull from sealing up |
| 01:51.16 | QuantumDelta | just trying to find ideas :< |
| 01:51.32 | pastamancer | hypetech: use a layout that shows it then :p |
| 01:51.34 | Antiarc | Seals and blessings are such a trivial amount of threat that I don't really watch 'em |
| 01:51.46 | chiper | oh this is not cool. I just cleared spec and cant get talanted to open up my enhancement template |
| 01:52.15 | Nandini | it would be kind of a neat feature: THREAT_GAIN, srcflags, srcguid, srcname, dstflags, etc, amount |
| 01:52.20 | Antiarc | If you use a seal every 20 sec, it's 42 threat/20 sec, that's 2.1 TPS |
| 01:52.37 | QuantumDelta | SoR + HS + Redoubt (?) every cooldown, or SoR (2 swings) -> SoV -> JoV -> SoR (2 swings)-> SoV |
| 01:52.48 | QuantumDelta | every GCD almost* |
| 01:52.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [03:50] <Ellipsis> sag_ich_nicht: is it someone you know? <--ya |
| 01:52.56 | QuantumDelta | it isn't that trivial ;D |
| 01:53.10 | Antiarc | Well, even if you use a seal every GCD, that's 28 TPS |
| 01:53.15 | QuantumDelta | redoubt is a bit blah though |
| 01:53.16 | QuantumDelta | hmm |
| 01:53.23 | QuantumDelta | True enough |
| 01:53.29 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: do you think you could inspect her again and pay closer attention to if/when it happens? |
| 01:53.37 | sag_ich_nicht | i already tried christ |
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| 01:53.45 | sag_ich_nicht | if it were so easy to reproduce i'd already done it |
| 01:53.46 | QuantumDelta | Grr. |
| 01:53.50 | QuantumDelta | I will get to the bottom of this |
| 01:54.02 | QuantumDelta | the easier thing to blame is the first conclusion I jumped to though, fana :< |
| 01:54.08 | alcaras | is there a mod to supress detailed loot information from chat but still have it picked up by xlootgroup for the nice little need/greed counts? |
| 01:54.09 | sag_ich_nicht | s/i'd/i'd have/ |
| 01:54.25 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: if it's that rare why do you care so much? :P |
| 01:54.37 | QuantumDelta | but if it's not bugged, grr.... |
| 01:54.52 | chiper | sylvanaar: ping! |
| 01:55.03 | sylvanaar | hrm |
| 01:55.18 | QuantumDelta | *Fires up tonights WWS* |
| 01:55.55 | chiper | talanted is borked |
| 01:55.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: because it crashes WoW |
| 01:56.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: and that shouldn't happen |
| 01:56.15 | Ellipsis | a lot of things crash WoW and shouldn't happen |
| 01:56.18 | Ellipsis | get over it |
| 01:56.27 | sag_ich_nicht | neva |
| 01:56.32 | sag_ich_nicht | perfection |
| 01:56.34 | Chaud | hay guyz I hurd dis addon has an error when you go to gm island. |
| 01:56.39 | Ellipsis | ^ |
| 01:56.43 | chiper | sylvanaar: it wont load templates. I had to revert to 67851 |
| 01:56.45 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 01:56.50 | Chaud | rofl |
| 01:56.58 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: /script DAMAGE_TEXT_FONT = "lolwut" |
| 01:57.00 | Ellipsis | then /logout |
| 01:57.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: does it crash? :P |
| 01:57.16 | Ellipsis | yep! |
| 01:57.21 | chiper | sylvanaar: and when I told it to edit a template, it instead spent my talant points |
| 01:57.25 | sylvanaar | chiper thats Jerry's mod |
| 01:57.26 | QuantumDelta | I'll keep working Antiarc, sorry to keep bothering you with such silliness ;p |
| 01:57.29 | Ellipsis | at least it did on 2.4 PTR and I assume they didn't bother fixing it |
| 01:57.34 | chiper | oh, I thought it was yours |
| 01:57.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: ugh |
| 01:57.37 | sag_ich_nicht | MORONS |
| 01:57.43 | Ellipsis | inorite |
| 01:57.46 | Ellipsis | did you just try it? |
| 01:57.49 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 01:57.54 | sag_ich_nicht | holdon |
| 01:57.57 | Ellipsis | 'cause I posted a very detailed bug report and I'm kinda curious if it ever got fixed |
| 01:58.00 | chiper | sylvanaar: sorry for bothering you :) |
| 01:58.20 | Nandini | still wants a threat log |
| 01:58.30 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis: no crash here |
| 01:58.31 | Ellipsis | Nandini, aren't you a durid? |
| 01:58.35 | alcaras | are chat settings not being saved properly this patch? |
| 01:58.37 | Ellipsis | can't you assume "really freaking crazy"? |
| 01:58.52 | Nandini | i iz bare durid, bare durid is strong freind |
| 01:59.15 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: well, it may be limited to my particular test case then. I found it was less reliable to reproduce when you didn't have it loading early (i.e. if you put that line in an addon it probably won't crash, but if you create another addon and OptDep the one with that line it will) |
| 01:59.49 | Chaud | Nandini u kno my friendz?! http://armorylite.com/us/gurubashi/Baredurid |
| 02:00.08 | Ellipsis | oh sweet, another narnia movie? |
| 02:00.22 | Nandini | i suppose i could just make an addon that routes threat-2.0 thru sink, that would be kinda cool |
| 02:01.11 | Nandini | i'm not interested in logging it so much for saving it to disk as for reading it in-game out of curiosity :) |
| 02:01.25 | Ellipsis | you need better reading material |
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| 02:01.39 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 02:02.12 | Antiarc | Creating a threat log would be easy, but it'd take a feckload of ram |
| 02:02.14 | Nandini | mmm... threat porn, look at those big numbers on that hot belf pally |
| 02:03.12 | [eu]gunder | oooh have you seen that big threat ^^ |
| 02:03.22 | Chaud | how big was it. |
| 02:03.54 | Ellipsis | demands pics |
| 02:03.55 | Antiarc | Two things: |
| 02:04.15 | Antiarc | My brother is trying to run Steam on BootCamp on his MacBook. It crashes often. What's the best way around that? |
| 02:04.28 | Antiarc | 2) Is there a limit to the size of indexed Lua tables (lists)? |
| 02:04.34 | QuantumDelta | hmmmm Antiarc |
| 02:04.35 | Antiarc | MAX_INT, I'd presume? |
| 02:04.38 | Nandini | also, i demand someone include a penis statusbar texture for people to use in recount |
| 02:04.49 | QuantumDelta | Unless I've COMPLETELY misunderstood what a threatlog is meant to be |
| 02:04.49 | Ellipsis | epeen go! |
| 02:05.09 | QuantumDelta | Why don't you try simply adding it in a script to a WWS Parse? |
| 02:05.17 | QuantumDelta | (example*) |
| 02:05.21 | QuantumDelta | would seem a bit RAM easier |
| 02:05.29 | Antiarc | I don't think addons can log to the combat log? |
| 02:05.45 | Chaud | pics located http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/98/omfg6khh5.png |
| 02:05.47 | Nandini | nope, only raw events get tossed in the saved file |
| 02:06.00 | QuantumDelta | well i didn't say it'd be a lot less work /cough :< |
| 02:06.10 | QuantumDelta | but you wouldn't have to worry about it killing ppls pcs |
| 02:06.12 | Arrowmaster` | well theres chat log |
| 02:06.36 | Nandini | yeah i was just thinking i could route my own threat numbers to the chatlog thru sink and save it taht way |
| 02:06.42 | QuantumDelta | ahhh |
| 02:06.49 | QuantumDelta | hmm that might actually work |
| 02:06.50 | Nandini | or not even bother with sink |
| 02:07.07 | Antiarc | You could do it with the chatlog easily enough |
| 02:07.12 | Antiarc | But that's a sorta awkward setup |
| 02:07.13 | Arrowmaster` | why would you even consider using sink? |
| 02:07.16 | Nandini | kinda silly as i doubt anyone would want raw threat events going thru any other sink output |
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| 02:08.28 | QuantumDelta | I wouldn't mind, makes it very very easy for testing/comparison as a end user :< |
| 02:08.45 | Silverstorm | lol, I have my dot damage through SCT...that's spammy enough. I wouldn't want threat calcs there, too |
| 02:09.18 | Chaud | SCT takes up too much room =\ |
| 02:09.34 | Chaud | I can't fit afflicted, uf, castbars, proximo on my screen well =\ |
| 02:09.38 | Funkeh` | MSBT damage throttle ftw |
| 02:09.56 | Chaud | did that, shortened names down to icons, ect ect |
| 02:10.01 | Chaud | IDK how to use the space well |
| 02:10.03 | Nandini | heheh "you gain 1200 threat on 6 targets (multiple events" |
| 02:10.09 | Chaud | somewhat like xperl =O |
| 02:10.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:10.23 | Silverstorm | I do throttle parts of it...but I like seeing what spells do what and when |
| 02:10.55 | Chaud | wtf, [Y] Westz: WATCH THE TAUREN GET ROASTED [Y] Westz: COME SEE THIS TAUREN GET BURNED ALIVE IN THE BLACKSMITHING FIRE. |
| 02:11.06 | Chaud | save me =O |
| 02:11.17 | Chaud | my realm has some odd people |
| 02:11.31 | Nandini | that makes me a sad cow :( |
| 02:11.42 | Ellipsis | moooooooo |
| 02:12.03 | Nandini | i hear that happy cows come from california, but happier cows come from hawaii, is that true? |
| 02:12.17 | Ellipsis | shrugs |
| 02:12.29 | Nandini | wtb hawaiian cheese |
| 02:12.35 | Ellipsis | can't say I know any californian cows tbh |
| 02:13.30 | Nandini | i read the other day that hawaiians consume more than 70% of all SPAM in the U.S. |
| 02:13.38 | Ellipsis | I believe it |
| 02:14.09 | Nandini | surely they must have good cheese if they eat all that spam |
| 02:14.14 | Kurax | yawns |
| 02:14.25 | Ellipsis | or perhaps they just eat it in the form of spam spam spam spam spam and spam? |
| 02:14.43 | Nandini | no eggs? |
| 02:14.50 | Kurax | Morning guys, it's another beatiful day |
| 02:14.53 | Ellipsis | I don't want the eggs |
| 02:14.55 | Ellipsis | just the spam! |
| 02:15.01 | Ellipsis | Kurax: traitor. how dare you sleep? |
| 02:15.06 | Kurax | lol |
| 02:15.11 | Nandini | i've only eaten spam once, and it wasn't that bad |
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| 02:15.18 | Nandini | it wasn't what i expected at all |
| 02:15.26 | Nandini | but i haven't bought it since |
| 02:15.27 | Kurax | I caught a cold, so I have to =( |
| 02:15.38 | Ellipsis | aww, poor baby |
| 02:15.40 | Ellipsis | pets Kurax |
| 02:15.48 | CIA-39 | 03washuu * r68536 10flagRSP2/ (flagRSP2.lua flagRSP2.toc flagRSP2.xml options.lua): flagRSP2: Fixed the options bug that I thought was fixed. |
| 02:15.54 | Chaud | another teribad night here |
| 02:15.55 | Nandini | spam will cure your cold, i read it on teh internets |
| 02:15.59 | kenlyric | if you want something more vile than spam, try Treet |
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| 02:16.08 | Zhinjio | oh, Ellipsis... I was going to show you... |
| 02:16.16 | Ellipsis | ooh, is it something sexy? |
| 02:16.16 | Nandini | isn't treet spam for people on welfare? |
| 02:16.20 | Chaud | lol |
| 02:16.22 | Chaud | what about those burgers in a can! |
| 02:16.25 | Orionshock | u know they should just rewrite flagRSP2 to something better |
| 02:16.27 | Zhinjio | heh, no... you're going to hate it. |
| 02:16.29 | Zhinjio | http://geo.trippy.org/gallery2/v/gaming/wow/zjui9/ |
| 02:16.36 | kenlyric | no, spam is spam for people on welfare |
| 02:16.41 | Orionshock | hell i might be able to do that much.... |
| 02:17.05 | Ellipsis | Zhinjio: other than the fact it makes my head kinda tilt to one side, it's good |
| 02:17.05 | Chaud | that site is sloww |
| 02:17.13 | Chaud | Im still loading things =( |
| 02:17.25 | Ellipsis | l2notfail Chaud |
| 02:17.56 | Chaud | BLAMING THAT HOSTING COMPANY |
| 02:18.04 | Chaud | buttons at the top =o |
| 02:18.06 | Chaud | intresting |
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| 02:18.34 | Cryect | its qan interesting UI but the website is damn slw though |
| 02:18.49 | Chaud | is that shield on the guy on the mount a blue shield |
| 02:18.58 | Thorgard | Humm. |
| 02:19.10 | Thorgard | Does Assessment work post 2.4? |
| 02:19.18 | Chaud | I DEed like 10 of those this week I think =D |
| 02:19.51 | dylanm | Thorgard: No. |
| 02:20.15 | Chaud | why in the world are the unitframes so big |
| 02:20.34 | Thorgard | QQ |
| 02:20.39 | JJSheets | is away: Dinner! OM NOM NOM NOM... |
| 02:20.55 | Ellipsis | the party frames do take up quite a bit of screen space |
| 02:21.06 | Chaud | even player/target |
| 02:21.06 | Ellipsis | but eh, shamans are arguably a healing class... |
| 02:21.32 | Chaud | not a pvp ui =( |
| 02:21.52 | CIA-39 | 03antiarc * r68537 10Threat-2.0/Threat-2.0/ (Threat-2.0.lua ThreatClassModuleCore.lua ThreatUtils.lua): |
| 02:21.52 | CIA-39 | Threat-2.0: |
| 02:21.52 | CIA-39 | - Add threat logging. Enable with LibStub("Threat-2.0").LogThreat = true. Note that this will be RAM intensive. |
| 02:21.52 | CIA-39 | - Adds entries to a table, ThreatLib.threatLog, iterate with for i = 1, #ThreatLib.threatLog[sourceGUID], 4 do |
| 02:21.53 | CIA-39 | - Each 4 entries in the table are time, action, target GUID, target threat |
| 02:21.57 | CIA-39 | - Add four new callbacks, SEND_THREAT_TO, ADD_THREAT, MULTIPLY_THREAT, and SET_THREAT. Only fire if ThreatLib.LogThreat is true. |
| 02:23.16 | Chaud | it was good until the bottom loaded though |
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| 02:26.50 | Chaud | I wish the big sites had different threads for post your pvp and pve UI =( |
| 02:26.56 | CIA-39 | 03next96 * r68538 10Enhancer/locale/koKR.lua: |
| 02:26.56 | CIA-39 | Enhancer: |
| 02:26.56 | CIA-39 | - Update locale koKR |
| 02:26.59 | Kurax | OM NOM NOM NOM....is cute... |
| 02:27.25 | Ellipsis | feeds Kurax cookies |
| 02:27.43 | Kurax | YAY, OM NOM NOM NOM NOM.... |
| 02:27.56 | Chaud | persuades Kurax to eat the cyanide sandwich |
| 02:28.03 | Thorgard | Kurax, perhaps.. away messages are not, though. Nobody cares if you're 'away', less spam FTW. ;P |
| 02:28.13 | Bruners | Chaud: is there that much difference? |
| 02:28.22 | Chaud | not when Ellipsis is involved |
| 02:28.24 | Nandini | it's cute until you find your girlfriend actually makes noises like that when she eats, then it becomes somewhat disgusting |
| 02:28.34 | Chaud | rofl |
| 02:28.38 | Ellipsis | ... |
| 02:28.42 | Ellipsis | pooooooooooor Nandini |
| 02:28.44 | kenlyric | boars everywhere get deleted: I have confirmed with the developers that Boarâs growl ability getting such a large bonus to attack power based on charge is a bug. Growl should only benefit from the hunterâs attack power and get no benefit from buffs to the petâs attack power. |
| 02:28.44 | Thorgard | Nandini, I think it's a turn on. |
| 02:28.49 | Kurax | Nandini: Sounds true |
| 02:29.03 | Chaud | kenlyric whur iz it! |
| 02:29.05 | Thorgard | Anyone who makes Pacman-esque sounds is hawt. |
| 02:29.13 | Nandini | thankfully, those are the sorts of things one can readily observe on a first date, unlike herpes, for example |
| 02:29.31 | kenlyric | but everyone has herpes, so why worry? |
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| 02:30.49 | Chaud | uh oh |
| 02:30.50 | Chaud | We will provide information a couple weeks in advance when Season 4 is near stating. Right now there is no information regarding this as it is still a ways off." |
| 02:31.00 | Chaud | that is different than not anytime soon |
| 02:31.38 | Ellipsis | makes a mental note not to have sex with kenlyric |
| 02:31.59 | Nandini | they mentioned at one point that they don't want pvp gear to become available before "comparable" pve gear, so i assume it will start around the time gates start coming down in sunwell |
| 02:32.22 | Nandini | or at least not before then |
| 02:32.34 | Chaud | I wish they gave a month notice |
| 02:33.02 | vithos | brutallus down :D |
| 02:33.28 | Kurax_ | The9 - The company running WoW in China, said yesterday: We will announce a breaking operation news on tomorrow, so please looking forward to it |
| 02:33.47 | Nandini | is it tomorrow yet? |
| 02:33.49 | Chaud | blizzcast epi tomorrow? |
| 02:33.56 | Chaud | or something fail |
| 02:34.04 | Kurax_ | And everyone was like "yeah, finally there are some new about WoTK or Armory!" |
| 02:34.15 | Chaud | WHAT IS IT |
| 02:34.17 | kenlyric | it's wow china |
| 02:34.24 | kenlyric | it'll be months behind news |
| 02:34.36 | Chaud | give me your undead models =( |
| 02:34.37 | Kurax_ | And just now, the news been announced, lol |
| 02:34.42 | Ellipsis | it's gonna be something like "new combat log announced" |
| 02:34.50 | kenlyric | blood elves coming soon |
| 02:34.57 | sag_ich_nicht | [04:28] <kenlyric> boars everywhere get deleted: I have confirmed with the developers that Boarâs growl ability getting such a large bonus to attack power based on charge is a bug. Growl should only benefit from the hunterâs attack power and get no benefit from buffs to the petâs attack power. <--link so i can rub it into the face of hunters everywhere |
| 02:35.03 | Kurax_ | "We decide to beat gold farmers badly" |
| 02:35.04 | Chaud | wowblues |
| 02:35.18 | Chaud | http://www.wowblues.com/us/bug-boar-charge-and-all-pet-aggro-broken-5591269594.html |
| 02:35.29 | kenlyric | it was in my rss reader, no idea |
| 02:35.45 | Chaud | aka bad^ |
| 02:36.02 | kergoth | that boar change makes me sad :( |
| 02:36.12 | kenlyric | http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/07/wooden-portable-nes-lets-you-game-in-style/ |
| 02:36.17 | Chaud | who cares =\ |
| 02:36.20 | Kurax_ | Just saying they will do a thing they should do it at the very first can be called a breaking news? |
| 02:36.25 | kenlyric | so my ravager being completely unable to hold anything is known? |
| 02:36.27 | Chaud | I don't see boars in arenas |
| 02:36.31 | kenlyric | I know my dps isn't that good |
| 02:36.43 | pastamancer | lol rage winterchill, 1-shot first try ever |
| 02:36.50 | Chaud | IN KARA GEER?! |
| 02:36.51 | kenlyric | well, aggro obviously isn't an issue in arenas, fuckwad |
| 02:37.10 | Antiarc | "Growl should only benefit from the hunterâs attack power and get no benefit from buffs to the petâs attack power." <-- that answers a LOT of questions, actually. |
| 02:37.14 | pastamancer | mostly T4, some SSC/TK gear |
| 02:37.20 | kenlyric | please, quest greens and blues, bitch |
| 02:37.31 | kenlyric | Antiarc: how? |
| 02:37.32 | kergoth | hrm, baggins should let me rename categories |
| 02:37.38 | kenlyric | since it doesn't work that way :) |
| 02:38.25 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer: you seen mah screenshot? |
| 02:38.26 | kenlyric | I wonder if other buffs like imp hunter's mark are bugged the same way. |
| 02:38.32 | Nandini | did hortus just reply to a player's post saying "boars don't get enough threat" by saying "boars get too much threat and it's a bug"? |
| 02:38.45 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: yeah, why don't you just use perfectraid :p |
| 02:38.47 | kenlyric | Nandini: yes |
| 02:38.48 | Antiarc | kenlyric: If we factor in the hunter's direct AP, rather than trying to mangle some number out of the pet's AP, it may explain a lot |
| 02:39.06 | kenlyric | as usual, complaining can make it worse |
| 02:39.11 | Silverstorm | so what they're really saying is hunters can't walk around with a tank all the time |
| 02:39.14 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer: because indicators! |
| 02:39.31 | Chaud | MOAR MELEE HUNTERS. |
| 02:39.34 | Nandini | hunters need to start taming druids, we have excellent threat generation :) |
| 02:39.46 | pastamancer | sag_ich_nicht: oh, RDX didn't have them, I though you weren't going to use the corners :p |
| 02:39.59 | Silverstorm | no...they just need to stop being huntards and l2p hunter |
| 02:40.15 | Chaud | I hurd it iz hard though silver =( |
| 02:40.18 | sag_ich_nicht | pastamancer: i am tho, it was pissing me off that RDX didn't have an (easily available) aggro indicator actually :P |
| 02:40.22 | kenlyric | l2p hunter means sending in pet and mashing steady/auto/KC macro |
| 02:40.31 | Chaud | they should break that macro =p |
| 02:40.31 | kenlyric | blizzard is breaking hunter, k? |
| 02:40.35 | Chaud | *again |
| 02:40.39 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 02:40.43 | sag_ich_nicht | they shouldn't break the macro |
| 02:40.58 | sag_ich_nicht | they should break steady shot or kill command in a way that makes the macro useless |
| 02:41.07 | kenlyric | I, for one, jejoy watching 1.1s timer over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over |
| 02:41.15 | WobWork | pft, any hunter that doesn't automatically slam the KC button on crit is fail imo |
| 02:41.17 | kenlyric | *enjoy |
| 02:41.27 | sag_ich_nicht | breaking the macro would make the macro system worse by far D: |
| 02:41.28 | kenlyric | WobWork: why slam? macro |
| 02:41.34 | kenlyric | gotta wait for gcd anyway |
| 02:41.35 | WobWork | kenlyric: fail |
| 02:41.44 | sag_ich_nicht | kenlyric: fail |
| 02:41.45 | vithos | pressing it manually would hurt your dps |
| 02:42.00 | kenlyric | allowing for human error hurts dps |
| 02:42.03 | WobWork | I automatically hit the KC button on my rogue =P |
| 02:42.15 | kenlyric | WobWork: ok, but there's no point |
| 02:42.21 | sag_ich_nicht | i up SoC and press 5 |
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| 02:42.22 | WobWork | kenlyric: There's no point in playing |
| 02:42.26 | sag_ich_nicht | that's my kill command. |
| 02:42.26 | kenlyric | since it won't do anything if you're on GCD you have to keep hitting until it goes off |
| 02:42.26 | Chaud | I hit ice block on my warlock |
| 02:42.28 | sag_ich_nicht | it kills clothies |
| 02:42.29 | Chaud | then die |
| 02:42.30 | sag_ich_nicht | reliable. |
| 02:42.37 | kenlyric | so you might as well macro it into something you're hitting already |
| 02:42.42 | xyu | woooot first illidan kill |
| 02:42.46 | xyu | warglaive + skull |
| 02:42.46 | sag_ich_nicht | (5 is my Crusader Strike macro) |
| 02:42.48 | kenlyric | except for the fact the it breaks right now |
| 02:42.51 | sag_ich_nicht | xyu grats |
| 02:42.53 | WobWork | hehe |
| 02:42.55 | WobWork | too bad =) |
| 02:42.56 | Chaud | wtf kind of luck is that lol |
| 02:42.59 | Chaud | best lewtz. |
| 02:43.08 | WobWork | grats on kill and lewts |
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| 02:43.43 | WobWork | if you're on cooldown, then you hit it when you're -off- cooldown =P |
| 02:43.44 | hypetech | I wish they would fix this silly inspect bug :( |
| 02:43.50 | Chaud | what bug |
| 02:44.09 | WobWork | it's all about -knowing- that KC is available then inserting it as required |
| 02:44.26 | WobWork | rather than going "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? " |
| 02:45.10 | kenlyric | I think maybe you miss the point entire of the macro. |
| 02:45.20 | kenlyric | why would you be asking that? it always fires when it's up in the macro. |
| 02:45.23 | kenlyric | nev-r-fail |
| 02:45.44 | kenlyric | until blizzard makes the steady/auto macro impossible, then you're *screwed8 |
| 02:47.08 | sag_ich_nicht | sylvanaar |
| 02:47.09 | sag_ich_nicht | you fool |
| 02:47.12 | WobWork | That's the point, you're actually doing that when you use the macro |
| 02:47.26 | sag_ich_nicht | http://loliserv.org/~afora/WoWScrnShot_040808_022514.jpg <--this link breaks on the tilde when you try to copy it out with prat |
| 02:47.27 | sag_ich_nicht | NUB |
| 02:47.31 | WobWork | Which is more the point of if you use a macro for that, you == fail |
| 02:47.34 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.57 | NeoTron | ok listen up |
| 02:48.02 | NeoTron | YOU ALL SUCK |
| 02:48.02 | kenlyric | WobWork: good luck finding a hunter that doesn't use a steady/auto macro |
| 02:48.02 | Chaud | ugly chat font |
| 02:48.10 | NeoTron | <-- sag_ich_nicht impersonation |
| 02:48.31 | Chaud | LOL |
| 02:48.32 | kenlyric | hunter is broken in that they've made a mashing macro both possible and top dps |
| 02:48.35 | Chaud | xperl + titan bar |
| 02:48.38 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: nope |
| 02:48.39 | Chaud | what did I say the other day =p |
| 02:48.44 | Gnarfoz | ~emulate sag_ich_nicht |
| 02:48.44 | purl | because i am retarded |
| 02:48.44 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: too nice? |
| 02:48.49 | Gnarfoz | ^--- that |
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| 02:49.14 | Zhinjio | damn, the info panel on the bank holds 500 characters. |
| 02:49.17 | NeoTron | kenlyric: the problem is that a mashing macro is necessary |
| 02:49.49 | kenlyric | *possible |
| 02:49.58 | kenlyric | if you make them possible, they automatically become necessary |
| 02:50.11 | sylvanaar | sag_ich_nicht take out the tilde |
| 02:51.11 | Nandini | i wonder if blizzard would ever implement other players' focus as a unitid, like party1focus |
| 02:51.16 | Gnarfoz | (weird btw, I think I've linked "user homedir" style links successfully in WoW since prat's URLcopy patterns last got changed) |
| 02:51.24 | NeoTron | sag_ich_nicht: random layout pally man |
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| 02:52.03 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: also, he's ret. :P |
| 02:52.22 | NeoTron | kenlyric: the mechanic of auto shoot makes it so not having a macro mean you either needs to be super human or suffer signifcant dps |
| 02:52.31 | NeoTron | especially as BM spec |
| 02:52.38 | NeoTron | ret done right is pretty win |
| 02:52.46 | NeoTron | I hate not having our ret pally in the raid |
| 02:52.47 | kenlyric | no, I'm told it makes me fail for using a macro |
| 02:52.51 | Chaud | Nandini if they did that couldn't proximo become more pro |
| 02:52.54 | vithos | NeoTron: exactly |
| 02:52.59 | Chaud | a higher level of pro than ever before |
| 02:53.10 | Nandini | Chaud: that's exactly what i was thinking |
| 02:53.21 | Nandini | you could have real unitframes for your entire opponent team that way |
| 02:53.30 | Chaud | needs a better implimentation of castbars right now =( |
| 02:53.41 | Chaud | current ones read combat log or something |
| 02:53.58 | Gnarfoz | ret done right is pretty low dps still. :\ the only thing I like about it is 3% more crit and if the boss allows uninterrupted meleeing, then 'number of pallys in the raid' judgements on the target from 100% to 0% hp |
| 02:54.39 | sylvanaar | sag_ich_nicht if you complain about urlcopy it will make arrowmaster cry =( |
| 02:54.40 | Gnarfoz | anyway, even if he did ret right... he'd still be a major PITA :p |
| 02:56.13 | sag_ich_nicht | sylvanaar: QQ |
| 02:56.17 | Arrowmaster` | sag_ich_nicht: were does it break? |
| 02:56.27 | sag_ich_nicht | [04:50] <sylvanaar> sag_ich_nicht take out the tilde <--it's a shell account fool |
| 02:56.40 | Arrowmaster` | as in it doesnt get detect it as a url? |
| 02:56.47 | sag_ich_nicht | it does |
| 02:56.49 | sag_ich_nicht | but only like |
| 02:56.58 | Arrowmaster` | the box doesnt have all of it? |
| 02:57.03 | sag_ich_nicht | yupp |
| 02:57.10 | Arrowmaster` | thats a different issue |
| 02:57.12 | sag_ich_nicht | 7http://loliserv.org/~afora/WoWScrnShot_040808_022514.jpg |
| 02:57.23 | sag_ich_nicht | the colored part is in the box |
| 02:57.26 | sag_ich_nicht | the rest is cut off |
| 02:57.26 | kenlyric | it's orange |
| 02:57.32 | sag_ich_nicht | no shit |
| 02:57.37 | Chaud | rofl |
| 02:57.59 | Arrowmaster` | entire thing is in the box when i whisper that to myself |
| 02:58.17 | Gnarfoz | like I said: |
| 02:58.23 | Gnarfoz | (weird btw, I think I've linked "user homedir" style links successfully in WoW since prat's URLcopy patterns last got changed) <-- |
| 02:58.51 | CIA-39 | 03ananhaid * r68539 10LittleWigs/MagistersTerrace/PriestessDelrissa.lua: |
| 02:58.51 | CIA-39 | LittleWigs: |
| 02:58.51 | CIA-39 | - zhCN update. |
| 02:59.17 | Arrowmaster` | it might be something else if you always get that to happen |
| 02:59.37 | Arrowmaster` | if the text gets wraped around ive seen it do stuff like that before |
| 03:00.34 | chexsum | disable your hax mods |
| 03:01.18 | Gnarfoz | "telltrack" comes to mind if you've been around here xD |
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| 03:02.52 | azraelo | Anyone know if tinytip is broken atm? |
| 03:03.15 | Gnarfoz | should work from what I've heard |
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| 03:03.26 | azraelo | it sorta works, but i cant get to the options screen anymore... |
| 03:03.41 | azraelo | Error: attempt to index global 'TinyTipOptions' (a nil value)File: Interface\AddOns\TinyTip\TinyTip.luaLine: 98Count: 15 |
| 03:03.51 | azraelo | TinyTip Options is installed... |
| 03:03.53 | azraelo | just update |
| 03:03.54 | azraelo | d |
| 03:04.05 | Gnarfoz | TinyTipOptions belongs the the old TinyTip, pre-rewrite, I think |
| 03:04.20 | dylanm | Thrae rewrote it recently. |
| 03:04.30 | Gnarfoz | if I'm not outdated on that, the rewrite still doesn't have in-game options, yet |
| 03:04.32 | chiper | well this sucks. wow just locked up while I was running towards telaar. |
| 03:04.48 | Gnarfoz | (check the README file for more info, I guess :)) |
| 03:04.50 | chiper | I'm going to be dead when it clears up, I just know it |
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| 03:05.05 | azraelo | gotcha |
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| 03:05.12 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 03:05.31 | chiper | oh, wow, PC just BSODed |
| 03:05.42 | chiper | decides this is a good time to go get dinner |
| 03:07.33 | CIA-39 | 03scorpio0920 * r68540 10GemHelper/GemHelper_Localization.zhTW.lua: |
| 03:07.33 | CIA-39 | GemHelper: |
| 03:07.33 | CIA-39 | - Update zhTW localization. |
| 03:09.23 | starlon | damn, got my first flame for fucking up an svn commit |
| 03:10.37 | Ellipsis | did you do it wrong |
| 03:10.39 | Ellipsis | :< |
| 03:10.55 | starlon | I left a debug message in my addon |
| 03:11.16 | chexsum | kek |
| 03:12.38 | starlon | funny thing is he reported it on Curse where I never uploaded to |
| 03:13.12 | starlon | kek indeed |
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| 03:16.47 | Antiarc | So Illidan's GUID changes between wipes |
| 03:16.53 | Antiarc | Which means a new loot table, I'd suspect. |
| 03:16.59 | starlon | interesting |
| 03:17.20 | Cryect | don't any bosses that despawn on wipes have a new GUID on respawn? |
| 03:17.29 | durcyn | ^ |
| 03:18.05 | syeren | WTB vhaarr!! |
| 03:18.17 | syeren | Doing arena without Parrot is incredibly annoying :< |
| 03:18.30 | Bruners | Antiarc: that depends if the loot table is made when engaged or when the mob dies |
| 03:18.34 | Arrowmaster` | all mobs that despawn between wipes get new guids |
| 03:18.40 | Antiarc | Blues have said that loot is determined on spawn |
| 03:18.41 | Gnarfoz | syeren: what's vhaarr got to do with that? |
| 03:18.44 | dylanm | syeren: Did you try the fix? |
| 03:18.53 | Yssaril | Bruners, loot table is created when the mob is created |
| 03:19.09 | syeren | Gnarfoz, nothing, I just want to buy Vharr. |
| 03:19.13 | syeren | I found a bug in Violation. |
| 03:19.23 | Nandini | the loot table may have been saved to your raid id tho, and that loot table could be reused by the new spawn |
| 03:19.26 | syeren | No dylanm, I was waiting for ckknight or Ellipsis to finish. |
| 03:19.35 | syeren | But they're kind of a month behind every other author so >_< |
| 03:19.43 | Ellipsis | syeren: finish your mom? |
| 03:19.46 | dylanm | I don't see the aversion to trying out a file replacement. You can always go back. |
| 03:19.47 | Gnarfoz | now the question is: did they refer to the loot /table/ or the choice from the loot table that is your actual drops? :> |
| 03:19.52 | Ellipsis | 'cause I did that already. last night. in bed with your mom. |
| 03:19.53 | Arrowmaster` | they arent, blues said each time an npc is generated a new loot table for it is generated |
| 03:20.03 | syeren | You got permission to see my mother? |
| 03:20.04 | dylanm | Or MSBT. |
| 03:20.10 | syeren | Interesting, she won't even let me see her :( |
| 03:20.19 | Arrowmaster` | your actual drops are determined on spawn |
| 03:20.20 | Ellipsis | I guess I'm just hotter than you |
| 03:20.30 | Nandini | just because a new table is generated doesn't mean that table can't be a copy of one already saved :) |
| 03:20.51 | Yssaril | so the question is when a boss despawns is he "destroyed" and an new one created when he respawns or is he just hidden and reset |
| 03:20.56 | Ellipsis | syeren: in all seriousness though, I can't take the blame for parrot not being done |
| 03:21.01 | Ellipsis | that's all ck's thing |
| 03:21.08 | Gnarfoz | hot lesbian action between Ellipsis and syeren's mom! zomg |
| 03:21.09 | dylanm | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12512.0;topicseen |
| 03:21.26 | syeren | Ellipsis: I don't know :p |
| 03:21.32 | syeren | :p |
| 03:21.50 | Gnarfoz | Yssaril: huh? we know he's destroyed and a new one spawned, that's the thing Antiarc just said regarding the GUID changing |
| 03:21.52 | Ellipsis | anyhow |
| 03:21.55 | Ellipsis | I need to go pass out now |
| 03:21.56 | Ellipsis | bbl |
| 03:22.08 | Gnarfoz | happy passing |
| 03:22.34 | durcyn | i seem to recall the post in question said instance drops were 100% seeded when the copy was created |
| 03:22.38 | Gnarfoz | also, finding out what your raid did on what day is a real pain now with the new combat log xD |
| 03:22.45 | dylanm | Ellipsis: You're distracting him with your feminine wiles aren't you? |
| 03:22.51 | durcyn | world mobs are definitely set on first spawn.. instance boss resets were not clarified |
| 03:23.07 | Nandini | true, perhaps kael always uses the raidid as the seed for his "random" loot table when he is spawned |
| 03:23.24 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: it was about "mob spawn", if a mob is part of an instance, it's still a "mob spawn" |
| 03:23.27 | sag_ich_nicht | hey |
| 03:23.27 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis |
| 03:23.29 | sag_ich_nicht | check it out |
| 03:23.32 | sag_ich_nicht | ~karma sag_ich_nicht |
| 03:23.32 | purl | sag_ich_nicht has neutral karma |
| 03:23.38 | Gnarfoz | HOW THE FUCK |
| 03:23.44 | sag_ich_nicht | SKILL |
| 03:23.46 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht-- |
| 03:23.47 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 03:23.50 | Chaud | rofl |
| 03:24.06 | Cryect | ~troll sag_ich_nicht |
| 03:24.06 | purl | ACTION hereby declares sag_ich_nicht a troll |
| 03:24.15 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: suppose so, but blizzard does so love hardcoding certain conditions |
| 03:24.15 | NeoTron | whoha, xperl is aced zomg |
| 03:24.32 | Chaud | plz delete from svn |
| 03:24.35 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: it's "just on the svn"'d |
| 03:24.42 | NeoTron | I am aware of tha |
| 03:24.46 | NeoTron | I was being funny |
| 03:24.48 | Cryect | pfft by being on wowace that means its ace! |
| 03:24.56 | Cryect | its much better now! |
| 03:24.59 | Gnarfoz | yesh |
| 03:25.03 | Chaud | NO IT ISNT MY EYEZZZZ |
| 03:25.08 | NeoTron | probably ace4!!1 |
| 03:25.14 | Swimnurd | ace69 |
| 03:25.23 | MentalPower | durcyn: an instance mob's loot table is generated when the mob spawns |
| 03:25.30 | MentalPower | which may or may not be when the instance is created |
| 03:26.12 | Cryect | who cares when the mob's loot is generated :-p |
| 03:26.12 | durcyn | MentalPower: wasn't disputing that. we're speculating about boss resets. |
| 03:26.12 | MentalPower | meaning? |
| 03:26.13 | durcyn | meaning it may not even be coded like a normal respawn |
| 03:26.23 | Cryect | as long as its generated before the boss is looted its all good since we don't have to worry about messing with any data on it till then |
| 03:26.28 | durcyn | we don't know, that's the point |
| 03:27.01 | Arrowmaster` | tons of bosses get new guids after a wipe |
| 03:27.09 | Chaud | lol |
| 03:27.11 | Arrowmaster` | so i doubt they hardcoded anything |
| 03:27.30 | MentalPower | durcyn: if the boss geta a new GUID, it gets a new loot table, simple as that |
| 03:27.44 | MentalPower | same as the overworld mobs |
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| 03:28.04 | Nandini | if the loot table uses the instanceid as its 'random' seed, the new table will contain the same loot as the previous one |
| 03:28.29 | durcyn | the RNG seed is time, salt wasn't mentioned |
| 03:28.31 | MentalPower | it doesnt, how many times does blizzard have to say that |
| 03:28.36 | NeoTron | a) it's seeded on time, |
| 03:28.56 | Arrowmaster` | if they did that they would have to code some to seperate bosses from other mobs on loot generation |
| 03:29.10 | Arrowmaster` | lets just go with its all calcd on spawn |
| 03:29.12 | Arrowmaster` | no saving |
| 03:29.30 | NeoTron | why is this even a discussion? |
| 03:29.34 | NeoTron | it's random. deal with it! |
| 03:29.40 | NeoTron | there's nothing deterministic about it |
| 03:29.46 | MentalPower | agrees with NeoTron |
| 03:29.50 | MentalPower | let it go already |
| 03:29.53 | MentalPower | its random |
| 03:30.06 | Cryect | Because its fun thinking we might have some impact on the loot :-p even though its like schrodinger's cat |
| 03:30.07 | NeoTron | ~dict random |
| 03:30.32 | MentalPower | Cryect: the cat is dead! |
| 03:30.33 | CIA-39 | 03funkydude * r68541 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Felmyst.lua: |
| 03:30.33 | CIA-39 | BigWigs: Sunwell/Felmyst: Drycoded: |
| 03:30.33 | CIA-39 | - speedup encapsulate scan slightly, also only scan when on |
| 03:30.33 | CIA-39 | - add breath timers and counter |
| 03:30.33 | CIA-39 | - tweak phase timers |
| 03:30.34 | CIA-39 | - add priest /say mass dispel results |
| 03:30.37 | MentalPower | :P |
| 03:30.44 | Cryect | Till the boss is dead we have no idea the state of the loot |
| 03:30.54 | MentalPower | correct |
| 03:31.00 | MentalPower | and the loot is determined on mob spawn |
| 03:31.01 | NeoTron | but blizzard knows |
| 03:31.10 | Cryect | we might be able to modify the state but its as effective as random to us assuming we have no way of knowing the state of the random number generator |
| 03:31.34 | Cryect | if we can figure out that state though of course we might be able to effect the loot in a controlled manner but too many circumstances prolly outside our control |
| 03:31.52 | NeoTron | I think it's unnecessary to discuss "possibly being able to modify the state" where both common sense and blizzard confirmation says otherwise |
| 03:32.00 | NeoTron | it's just like making a /random roll hack |
| 03:32.04 | NeoTron | won't and can't work |
| 03:32.11 | MentalPower | HighRoller? :P |
| 03:32.14 | Arrowmaster` | yeah you can effect it by doing anything that uses the random number generator before the boss spawns |
| 03:32.14 | NeoTron | also they have stated the seed is the time |
| 03:32.15 | Cryect | but highroller worked so well |
| 03:32.21 | NeoTron | but it's likely the time the server went up |
| 03:32.33 | NeoTron | there's no need to reseed it once the initial state has been twiddleed |
| 03:32.49 | Cryect | The seed being the time is weird you don't really want to reseed your number generator every time you query it |
| 03:32.56 | NeoTron | no |
| 03:32.58 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: but that "affect it" is random in of itself, so we come back to "no you can't" |
| 03:32.59 | NeoTron | the seed is time b ased |
| 03:33.07 | NeoTron | but as you say you don't reseed it |
| 03:33.07 | Chaud | time instance is created isn't it? |
| 03:33.10 | NeoTron | it's seeded once |
| 03:33.13 | Cryect | you ruin the random properties of RNG's by constantly seeding them |
| 03:33.22 | NeoTron | Chaud: I think it's unlikely to be specific to an instance |
| 03:33.34 | Arrowmaster` | you have no clue how many random number seeds they use |
| 03:33.37 | NeoTron | you seed once and then just random() your way to fun and happiness |
| 03:33.45 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: just one |
| 03:34.00 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster`: true but it'd be unlikely that they make new seeds for each instance based on the instance creation time and also unnecessary |
| 03:34.26 | MentalPower | why would you re-seed your PRNG every time you make an instance? |
| 03:34.33 | NeoTron | I can see there being two rngs |
| 03:34.42 | NeoTron | one for lua, one for c++ code (since lua likely has its own) |
| 03:34.53 | MentalPower | NeoTron: Lua's is local |
| 03:34.53 | NeoTron | either that or they have hooked their own into lua |
| 03:35.00 | AbsoAFK | asfgiotyaioyoigyaiosygasg |
| 03:35.07 | MentalPower | agrees with AbsoAFK |
| 03:35.08 | AbsoAFK | my buddy just got a baby crocalisk pet |
| 03:35.37 | MentalPower | NeoTron: Lua's RNG is the same as the client's RNG, but neither of those influence the server |
| 03:35.56 | MentalPower | and the server is the one that decides loot contents |
| 03:36.17 | NeoTron | true that |
| 03:36.23 | NeoTron | but they might have server side lua too |
| 03:36.31 | WobWork | "Cryect: the cat is dead!" |
| 03:36.33 | NeoTron | in fact mob scripts likely use lua |
| 03:36.35 | WobWork | had Red Dwarf flashbacks |
| 03:36.42 | NeoTron | at least that's how I'd do it :) |
| 03:37.14 | Chaud | http://www.wowblues.com/us/is-loot-determined-when-the-moster-dies-4311143050.html |
| 03:37.20 | Cryect | WobWork: Polymorph episode eh? |
| 03:37.25 | Nandini | i could see mob ai being written in lua on the server, but probably not stuff like loot tables |
| 03:38.04 | Arrowmaster` | more likely everything is in C |
| 03:38.27 | NeoTron | most likely nothing is C |
| 03:38.28 | NeoTron | but C++ |
| 03:38.53 | NeoTron | I think it'd be safe to say most games use some sort of scripting language for aspects where performance is not required to be top notch |
| 03:39.02 | NeoTron | since the development time is shorter |
| 03:39.36 | Nandini | yeah the only reason i thought maybe mob ai would be since that's one thing that designers would want approachable, scriptable control over |
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| 03:40.19 | Nandini | but it's quite possible wow has its own custom scripting for mob ai, that would explain the lack of diversity for most mobs :) |
| 03:40.38 | dylanm | You no take candle. |
| 03:41.06 | Primer | somehow a fucking exe made it onto my box |
| 03:41.14 | Primer | all I ever run on this box is wow and jwowupdater |
| 03:41.27 | Primer | so now I'm in Linux running clamscan |
| 03:41.40 | Chaud | WOWMATRIX. |
| 03:41.42 | Primer | I wonder if some addon was compromised? |
| 03:41.52 | JJSheets | is back (gone 01:21:13) |
| 03:41.59 | Primer | presuming wow can spawn a .exe |
| 03:42.03 | Primer | or jwow can |
| 03:42.12 | Nandini | having a difficult ai scripting language might be one reason boss encounters seem so difficult for designers to come up with and devs to engineer |
| 03:42.14 | MentalPower | Primer: the box running windows (originally)? |
| 03:42.19 | Primer | yes |
| 03:42.20 | Primer | XP |
| 03:42.35 | Primer | antivir.exe, dated last night 00:20AM |
| 03:42.41 | Primer | is what I've found so far |
| 03:42.42 | MentalPower | I'd want to know how you run XP without exe's :) |
| 03:42.51 | Primer | errr |
| 03:42.56 | Tem | Chaud, very cool thread |
| 03:43.05 | Primer | this particular exe is a fucking trojan |
| 03:43.09 | Primer | hence my concern |
| 03:43.20 | MentalPower | oh, ok granted :) |
| 03:43.28 | Chaud | I sent it to your through IRC =o |
| 03:43.32 | MentalPower | what trojan? |
| 03:43.39 | Primer | Linux bubba 2.6.19.1 #1 PREEMPT Sat Dec 16 20:55:07 PST 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 03:43.44 | Primer | <-- box I IRC from |
| 03:43.49 | Chaud | =\ |
| 03:44.01 | Primer | same box I browse the web with too |
| 03:44.10 | Primer | although occasionally I do run firefox from the windows box |
| 03:44.20 | Primer | only thing I ran last night before playing was jwowupdater |
| 03:44.20 | Chaud | does jwow update from wowace only? |
| 03:44.21 | MentalPower | so what trojan? |
| 03:44.32 | dylanm | It can update from some other sites I think. |
| 03:44.44 | Chaud | WOWMATRIX. =p |
| 03:44.54 | Primer | Tojan.Agent-11547 is what this old ass clamav reports |
| 03:44.58 | MentalPower | ~lart Chaud |
| 03:44.58 | purl | offers Chaud some herring |
| 03:45.08 | CIA-39 | 03cryect 072.4 * r68542 10Recount2/ (GUI_List.lua GUI_MainList.lua Recount2.lua): (log message trimmed) |
| 03:45.08 | CIA-39 | Recount2: |
| 03:45.08 | CIA-39 | -Additional console commands |
| 03:45.08 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.08 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.10 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.11 | Chaud | slaps purl in the face and yells "I'm Rick James, bitch!" |
| 03:45.14 | CIA-39 | -List frames on being hidden unregister their update timer and clear their view (reduces processing since new data doesn't have to check to see if its inserted into a view or not) |
| 03:46.08 | NeoTron | so I just verified that yes, RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE does fire after you leave a raid |
| 03:46.21 | Primer | Trojan.Agent-11547, even |
| 03:50.16 | CIA-39 | 03cryect * r68543 10Recount2/: |
| 03:50.16 | CIA-39 | Recount2: |
| 03:50.16 | CIA-39 | -Initial Prealpha Version |
| 03:50.52 | Aeyan | Prealpha, huh |
| 03:50.59 | Aeyan | So, non-functional? |
| 03:51.01 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 03:51.03 | sag_ich_nicht | facepalm |
| 03:52.35 | Cryect | Prealpha just means not feature complete |
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| 03:53.21 | Nandini | let the confusion begin! |
| 03:53.34 | JJSheets | is confused... |
| 03:53.45 | Cryect | Just thats the version I prefer people testing will look at instead of the branch SVN updates |
| 03:54.34 | Nandini | good luck trying to separate bug reports for recount and recount2 :) |
| 03:55.18 | Cryect | I fear more for elsia |
| 03:55.46 | CIA-39 | 03cryect * r68544 10Recount2/ (Data.lua Recount2.toc): |
| 03:55.46 | CIA-39 | Recount2: |
| 03:55.46 | CIA-39 | -Changes TOC slightly to declare its a Prealpha version |
| 03:55.46 | CIA-39 | -Removes tracking of additional "fights" since it doesn't separate them at the moment from overall data or really let you show them |
| 03:55.49 | Nandini | i think you'll find that many people will assume they have recount2 and send you reports for the original as well |
| 03:55.51 | Kurax | So what's the main different from Recount? |
| 03:56.02 | Cryect | Like everything |
| 03:56.02 | Kurax | s/different/difference/ |
| 03:56.22 | Cryect | biggest difference is data is stored in a "database" and is displayed based on created views/filters |
| 03:56.26 | Kurax | Everything means a totally new one |
| 03:56.31 | Chaud | can you still cheat =p |
| 03:56.38 | Cryect | You can't prevent cheating |
| 03:56.42 | Chaud | good |
| 03:56.50 | kenlyric | what cares if you cheat a recount? |
| 03:56.53 | Cryect | Unless we want to have some sort of voting system |
| 03:56.53 | Chaud | I confused the hell out of some bt geared rogue in heroic MTR |
| 03:56.56 | kenlyric | that's what WWS is for |
| 03:57.08 | Kurax | You cant cheat WWS? |
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| 03:57.17 | Cryect | You sure can! |
| 03:57.31 | Cryect | There is plenty of "fake" WWS's on |
| 03:57.40 | Kurax | I would think so |
| 03:58.01 | kenlyric | well, if you're the only person in your guild submitting reports, yeah, you can cheat it. |
| 03:58.07 | mykx | any locks here working on/done brut ? |
| 03:58.09 | kenlyric | but what kind of guild is going to trust a patsy like you? |
| 03:58.20 | NeoTron | Cryect: better question is, can you drastically limit the data it stores so I don't need crap I don't care about, like ever, such as activity, dot uptime, hot uptime, gains etc? |
| 03:58.23 | sag_ich_nicht | [05:56] <Chaud> I confused the hell out of some bt geared rogue in heroic MTR <--how? :P |
| 03:58.49 | CIA-39 | 03ananhaid * r68545 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Felmyst.lua: |
| 03:58.49 | CIA-39 | BigWigs: |
| 03:58.49 | CIA-39 | - zhCN Felmyst update. |
| 03:58.53 | Cryect | I mean but I've played with tricking both DamageMeters & SWStats back when I used them (and developed several exploits for triggering resets in SWStats without being promoted) |
| 03:58.56 | mykx | NeoTron, you are a lock in SW right ? what kind of numbers are you putting up. |
| 03:59.02 | mykx | on brut* |
| 03:59.09 | kenlyric | can it handle the Default profile? |
| 03:59.19 | kenlyric | I think recount is barfing silently over the default profle |
| 04:00.24 | Cryect | NeoTron, you can't limit the data at all at the moment and also most the data like the stuff you mentioned will be processed based on the database that is recorded. Its not like Recount 1 where all the views are generated on the fly using up tons of space |
| 04:00.35 | Cryect | they are only generated when requested from the database |
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| 04:01.09 | Cryect | This does mean you can get somewhat of a tempory large increase in memory if you decide to for some strange reason constantly change your views a bunch |
| 04:01.28 | Chaud | sag_ich_nicht there is some macro that sends fake casts / damage or something for recount |
| 04:01.39 | Antiarc | New AOE sort seems rock-solid in Hyjal |
| 04:01.52 | Cryect | all it does is send a fake event to the damage handler |
| 04:02.12 | Cryect | you could use the exact same macro for any damage addon and replace the function being called basically |
| 04:02.23 | Chaud | .../script Recount:CombatLogEvent(nil,GetTime(),"SPELL_DAMAGE",UnitGUID("player"),UnitName( "player"),0x511,UnitGUID("target"),UnitName("Target"),0x10a48,27070,"Fireball",0 x04,3375+random(1000),16,0,0,0,1,nil,nil); |
| 04:02.32 | Chaud | some variation of that I think |
| 04:03.37 | Cryect | Well I can fix it somewhat |
| 04:03.54 | Cryect | because its not giving you a valid timestamp |
| 04:04.08 | Cryect | GetTime() is completely different from the timestamps you actually get I seem to recall |
| 04:04.22 | Cryect | But then you can just modify your code |
| 04:04.39 | JJSheets | why would someone want to do this? |
| 04:05.05 | Kurax | Because they lame and dont wanna others know it |
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| 04:05.08 | Cryect | Really its a waste to bother trying to handle cheating since you can always break it unless you develop some intricate voting system (then it can't be beaten unless they manage to coerce a majority of the clients) |
| 04:05.25 | Chaud | it is funny to do in 5s mans =O |
| 04:05.34 | Chaud | made the rogue pop a flask to "beat" me |
| 04:05.55 | Kurax | Yeah you can do that while you're a healing would be nice... |
| 04:06.00 | Kurax | healer* |
| 04:06.14 | Chaud | until WWS rapes you. |
| 04:06.43 | Arrowmaster` | Cryect: your thinking of time() |
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| 04:07.14 | Cryect | oh is time() the timestamp one? |
| 04:07.20 | Cryect | I just know its not GetTime() |
| 04:07.27 | Arrowmaster` | lua> time() |
| 04:07.27 | Funkeh` | it's os.time() |
| 04:07.27 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster`: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'time' (a nil value) |
| 04:07.34 | Arrowmaster` | lua> os.time() |
| 04:07.34 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster`: 1207627654 |
| 04:07.39 | Cryect | well its time in wow |
| 04:07.41 | Arrowmaster` | os.time() but its time() in wow |
| 04:07.43 | Funkeh` | GetTime() is wow api |
| 04:08.37 | Cryect | GetTime is time since starting or something? |
| 04:08.40 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: its not time() either, since the timestamps have decimals in them |
| 04:08.41 | Chaud | why did my recount raid dps graph scale get about 9000 lines after dps stopped and scale was changing =( |
| 04:08.48 | MentalPower | Cryect: time since you started your PC |
| 04:08.49 | Chaud | it dropped my FPS to next to none |
| 04:08.58 | Arrowmaster` | no they dont |
| 04:09.00 | NeoTron | mykx: hrm we haven't killed him but .. |
| 04:09.16 | NeoTron | peak was 2400 dps (fluke, 50% crit rate) with the 3m20s one having me around 1970 DPS or so |
| 04:09.20 | Arrowmaster` | the combatlog uses date(format, timestamp) |
| 04:09.25 | NeoTron | that is with 3/4 T6 and sp, ele shammy, boomkiin |
| 04:09.29 | Bibi | Chaud. |
| 04:09.30 | Arrowmaster` | meaning time() is the correct function |
| 04:09.32 | Bibi | I love you. |
| 04:09.48 | Chaud | go to bed plz |
| 04:09.49 | mykx | I'm doing around 1950 every attempt with 3/4, thanks just wnated to see where I stood |
| 04:09.54 | Chaud | I'll be there soon =O |
| 04:09.54 | Arrowmaster` | time()/os.time() is seconds since epoch |
| 04:10.03 | Bibi | I'll be waiting ! |
| 04:10.07 | Chaud | <3 |
| 04:10.11 | Bruners | what was the url to the page about sunwell progressions ? |
| 04:10.19 | Chaud | http://us.gorgonnash.info/index.html |
| 04:10.25 | mykx | I'll be getting 4pc this week though assuming conq drops and that should boost it to 2050+ |
| 04:10.30 | Funkeh` | Bibi, can I come too? |
| 04:10.33 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: check again, it has decimals |
| 04:10.34 | Bibi | anyway, is there any mod to automatically buy things from the AH ? I think Auctioneer used to do that but I can't find the option anymore |
| 04:10.44 | Funkeh` | no |
| 04:10.51 | Chaud | nerfed long ago =( |
| 04:10.54 | Bibi | k. |
| 04:11.00 | Chaud | even I knew that, and I can't make hello world =( |
| 04:11.09 | Arrowmaster` | MentalPower: because wow does stuff with more precission than 1 second |
| 04:11.18 | Arrowmaster` | the timestamp is in epoch |
| 04:11.29 | NeoTron | I have done ovr 2000 DPS with just SB-spam on 3-4m fights |
| 04:11.30 | MentalPower | its not time() |
| 04:11.35 | Arrowmaster` | if it wasnt then my CombatLogTimestamper addon wouldn't even work |
| 04:11.41 | Cryect | its unix time I assume not system time |
| 04:11.50 | Arrowmaster` | since the timestamp code is copied right out of the bliz combatlog |
| 04:11.52 | MentalPower | at least not the Lua variant |
| 04:12.02 | mykx | I don't have a SP or Boomkin and was doing 1950 average so that's not bad then |
| 04:12.07 | NeoTron | I'm still holding out on the 4th piece because I want the damn skull |
| 04:12.19 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: date() takes decimals |
| 04:12.23 | NeoTron | to be honest, I think I got burn that attempt but yeah |
| 04:12.29 | NeoTron | around 1950-2100 dps or so |
| 04:12.37 | MentalPower | lua> return date("%c", 123.45) |
| 04:12.38 | lua_bot | MentalPower: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'date' (a nil value) |
| 04:12.42 | MentalPower | lua> return os.date("%c", 123.45) |
| 04:12.42 | lua_bot | MentalPower: Thu Jan 1 01:02:03 1970 |
| 04:12.43 | Chaud | I did 950 dps one time in ZA =( |
| 04:12.49 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: see? |
| 04:13.03 | Arrowmaster` | epochs can have decimals |
| 04:13.11 | MentalPower | did I ever argue that? |
| 04:13.27 | MentalPower | I said that blizz does not use the Lua time() |
| 04:13.28 | Arrowmaster` | are we even talking about the same thing? |
| 04:13.35 | MentalPower | for the combat log event timestamp |
| 04:13.36 | Arrowmaster` | ofcourse they dont |
| 04:13.39 | Arrowmaster` | theirs is off |
| 04:13.59 | Arrowmaster` | but if you wanted to fake it you would use time() for the current time |
| 04:15.32 | Cryect | well doesn't matter what I do in a function as long as the code is completely unobfuscated its pretty easy to do whatever you want |
| 04:15.35 | MentalPower | agreed |
| 04:15.57 | Cryect | and don't think obfuscation is a good solution |
| 04:16.16 | Cryect | If I care a cryptographic solution would be the way to go really |
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| 04:17.21 | chiper | anybody here know if it's possible to turn off that damn "bugfix complete" message in arkinventory? |
| 04:17.40 | Bruners | can you mount with elixir of water walking? |
| 04:18.01 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:18.57 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: upon verification it seems that Lua time() and blizz's source for timestamp() are off by < 100ms |
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| 04:20.23 | Arrowmaster | i get timestamps when i die of 3 events and in order the times are t, t-1, t |
| 04:20.41 | Arrowmaster | because the one with t-1 is the "you have lost 10% durability" message |
| 04:20.42 | CIA-39 | 037destiny * r68546 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Felmyst.lua: BigWigs: Sunwell/Felmyst: koKR Update |
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| 04:21.34 | NivFreak | anyone killed VR since 2.4 hit? |
| 04:23.40 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: thats interesting |
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| 04:30.34 | Diao | hm wtf |
| 04:30.37 | Diao | i can't move my afflicted bar |
| 04:30.39 | Diao | bars* |
| 04:32.49 | CIA-39 | 037destiny * r68547 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Felmyst.lua: BigWigs: Sunwell/Felmyst: fixed koKR typo |
| 04:34.06 | Chaud | alt +drag? |
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| 04:39.05 | alcaras | if i want to have an addon trigger something on load, i should use PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, right? |
| 04:39.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:39.43 | Arrowmaster | that fires everytime you zone |
| 04:40.02 | alcaras | mm |
| 04:40.45 | alcaras | i'm trying to make a little addon to hide blizzard's extra action bars: http://pastey.net/85320 |
| 04:41.24 | alcaras | if i type /script before those commands (MultiBarRight:Hide) etc. it works, but I can't figure out which event to trigger off of for the addon to work |
| 04:41.42 | Arrowmaster | you should look through all the FrameXML that involves those frames |
| 04:42.00 | Arrowmaster | a lot of blizzard stuff gets reshown on certan events and stuff |
| 04:42.27 | alcaras | ah |
| 04:42.29 | Arrowmaster | wait cant you hide those bars from the interface options menu? |
| 04:42.33 | alcaras | i can |
| 04:42.39 | alcaras | but that option is saved to account |
| 04:42.59 | alcaras | and i don't want to have toggle it on and off each time i log out (since my gf also plays this char, and she wants bar out) |
| 04:43.15 | Arrowmaster | better idea would be to make an addon that changes the settings and forces a refresh of it |
| 04:43.57 | Arrowmaster | but that would require her to run a version of it too |
| 04:44.09 | alcaras | yah, i don't want to do that |
| 04:44.19 | Bruners | Is there a trick to do the quest "The Not-So-Friendly Skies..." ? |
| 04:44.21 | alcaras | typing /script MultiBarRight:HIde() in game works |
| 04:44.35 | Chaud | Bruners what quest is that =\ |
| 04:44.41 | Bruners | without having 90% of the mobs evade 4 times each pull |
| 04:44.56 | Arrowmaster | well i dont think you need to do anything on an event, should be able to do it all when the addon is loaded |
| 04:45.05 | Bruners | killing flying netherwing orcs and looting their relics |
| 04:45.07 | Arrowmaster | you just need to make sure you get everything that would cause it to show |
| 04:45.21 | alcaras | i did it without an event |
| 04:45.24 | alcaras | and it didn't work |
| 04:45.36 | Kurax | Bruners: That quest is well known buggy |
| 04:45.52 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: find a spot by a respawn point, you kill a mob and then a few seconds later it respawns and you kill it again |
| 04:46.56 | Chaud | I camped on those rocks out there |
| 04:46.59 | Chaud | and killed them |
| 04:47.08 | Chaud | never a problem |
| 04:47.22 | Bruners | im on 20% hp after each mob |
| 04:47.34 | alcaras | i'll try using PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 04:47.35 | Bruners | due to evade |
| 04:47.39 | Kurax | Bruners: My tip is, just wait the orc landing totally after pull him then start attacking, or there has a big chance to get him evade |
| 04:48.09 | Arrowmaster | hmm i havent done that quest recently but they never used to evade |
| 04:48.11 | Bruners | but they seem to never land |
| 04:48.20 | Bruners | not before im on 50% atleast |
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| 04:49.08 | alcaras | player-login didn't work either |
| 04:49.08 | alcaras | hrm |
| 04:49.13 | Bruners | rubbish drop rate aswell |
| 04:49.16 | Kurax | Bruners: They will land eventually, after patrol around for a while then they will remember you and come to you |
| 04:49.24 | Arrowmaster | its getting shown but something else |
| 04:50.07 | Zhinjio | alcaras: do you and she change the contents of the bars themselves, or just whether the couple extra bars are shown or not? |
| 04:50.11 | alcaras | yeah, b/c it is getting called |
| 04:50.14 | alcaras | whether they're shown |
| 04:50.20 | alcaras | i keybind using spellbinder on this char |
| 04:50.28 | alcaras | so as to not move her buttons around |
| 04:50.42 | Zhinjio | maybe you could have a plugin you use for bars, like bongos or something, and she just disables it when she plays? |
| 04:51.06 | alcaras | she has her own machine, so we have different uis |
| 04:51.26 | alcaras | basically i want to have the bars not show even if they're checked to show in interfaces |
| 04:51.30 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 04:51.33 | alcaras | and i personally use bt3 |
| 04:51.47 | Arrowmaster | those bars should be saved to your wtf dir |
| 04:51.51 | alcaras | they're not |
| 04:51.54 | alcaras | they're saved to account |
| 04:51.55 | Zhinjio | yeah, even easier then |
| 04:51.58 | Arrowmaster | thats fucked up |
| 04:52.01 | alcaras | yes it is |
| 04:52.18 | Arrowmaster | they didnt used to be |
| 04:52.24 | Zhinjio | there is also another one called SimpleActionSets which saves bar setting and makes them loadable easily |
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| 04:52.36 | Zhinjio | yeah, someone is doing something wrong, alcaras |
| 04:52.38 | alcaras | Zhinjio: i have that too, but it doesn't work well with different macros |
| 04:52.45 | Zhinjio | thats not the way profiles are supposed to work. |
| 04:52.57 | alcaras | interesting, zoning into auchindoun after hiding the bars with /script HideExtraBars_OnEvent("PLAYER_LOGIN") -- they're back. |
| 04:53.05 | alcaras | even though they were hidden |
| 04:53.11 | alcaras | and even though i supposedly told them to ignore vents |
| 04:53.13 | alcaras | events* |
| 04:53.19 | Funkeh` | alcaras, you shouldn't really need any event to hide them |
| 04:53.20 | Diao | oh Chaud: for some reason even when i click "show anchor" with the new version of afflicted it doesn't show the anchors :\ |
| 04:53.54 | Arrowmaster | alcaras: because the frame thats registered the events for them is a different frame shared by all of them i think |
| 04:54.24 | Zhinjio | yeah, your'e going to have a very hard time preventing the default UI from behaving the way it wants to. |
| 04:54.40 | alcaras | mm |
| 04:54.42 | Zhinjio | if you're using BT.... |
| 04:54.45 | Arrowmaster | no you can hide those you just need to know exactly how they work first |
| 04:54.50 | Zhinjio | there should be no reason to do any of this |
| 04:54.56 | Dashkal | Is there any inherent danger is using AceEvent3 when operating from an object derived from AceModule (from ace2)? I'm finding myself forced to use AceEvent-2.0 and I'm trying to escape |
| 04:55.07 | alcaras | bt doesn't hide the extra bars if they're checked in the interface options |
| 04:55.14 | alcaras | unless i'm missing how to do it |
| 04:55.41 | Zhinjio | well, I use bongos, so I couldn't tell you. Bongos completely ignores the Interface settings. |
| 04:56.03 | dylanm | Dashkal: Why are you deriving from Ace2...? |
| 04:56.10 | Dashkal | making a grid status module |
| 04:56.18 | Dashkal | GridStatus derives from AceModule |
| 04:56.49 | Dashkal | Meh, tempted to just catch the frame event manually and use that |
| 04:57.34 | Diao | oh never mind, had to delete savedvars |
| 04:58.02 | dylanm | I don't think there's any terrible danger in it. |
| 04:59.51 | Dashkal | I hear so many bad things about AceEvent2 I'd like to avoid using it if possible to update myself... I wonder if there's a way in grid to get poked once in awhile |
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| 05:00.16 | pastamancer | Dashkal: hmm? |
| 05:00.28 | Arrowmaster | i think youll have to use aceevent2 |
| 05:00.31 | Dashkal | pastamancer: Writing that indicator I mentioned |
| 05:00.43 | Dashkal | I need to be updated once in awhile to notice changes to who is party leader |
| 05:00.58 | pastamancer | oh, there's an event for that |
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| 05:02.08 | ulic | have the orgri'la mana & health pots always been soulbound? |
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| 05:02.45 | WobWork | yes? |
| 05:02.58 | digmouse | ~seen sylvanaar |
| 05:03.01 | purl | sylvanaar <n=sylvanaa@12.179.203.116> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1h 6m 29s ago, saying: 'hehe'. |
| 05:03.05 | pastamancer | flasks weren't |
| 05:03.06 | pastamancer | potions were |
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| 05:03.14 | digmouse | sylvanaar: ping |
| 05:03.54 | CIA-39 | 03jayhawk * r68548 10FuBar_PetInfoFu/ (4 files): |
| 05:03.54 | CIA-39 | FuBar_PetInfoFu: |
| 05:03.54 | CIA-39 | - 2.4.1 - fixed problem with German translation and errors on petName variable |
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| 05:04.42 | Dashkal | pastamancer: I totally fail at finding said events (looking for a list or something useful) |
| 05:05.01 | pastamancer | how about PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED? |
| 05:05.06 | Halcy | Hey everyone, I'm using AceEvent 3 and I am wondering if there is a way to use it to register multiple functions to the same named event? |
| 05:05.10 | Dashkal | will that fire for party reassignment? |
| 05:05.19 | pastamancer | that's what it's there for |
| 05:05.22 | Dashkal | sweet |
| 05:05.27 | Dashkal | heads to wowwiki and reads |
| 05:05.29 | pastamancer | you might also need UNIT_FLAGS |
| 05:06.30 | Arrowmaster | Halcy: should be the same as aceevent2, just call a :RegisterEvent(event, handler) for each event |
| 05:06.38 | Dashkal | oh hot, PART_LEADER_CHANGED |
| 05:06.48 | pastamancer | Dashkal: even better |
| 05:06.55 | Halcy | Arrow: let me give that a try, I tried digging through the lua and didn't see a way to specify the handler |
| 05:07.27 | Dashkal | now all I need is a way to track raid assist and master loot (checks UNIT_FLAGS to see if that works) |
| 05:07.59 | Dashkal | no documentation for UNIT_FLAGS... lovely |
| 05:08.00 | pastamancer | in a raid it's probably RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
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| 05:08.28 | Arrowmaster | theres no doc for UNIT_FLAGS or UNIT_DYNAMIC_FLAGS afaik |
| 05:08.30 | Dashkal | looks promising, should be enough to get started anyway |
| 05:08.35 | Arrowmaster | we really need to figure out what those do |
| 05:09.00 | Dashkal | now to brace AceEvent2 to catch these events :p |
| 05:09.03 | Dashkal | brave* |
| 05:11.05 | dylanm | Halcy: If there's no second argument, it tries to call self:EVENT_NAME(...). If the second argument is a string, it tries to call self[handler](...). If the second argument is a function, it calls handler(...). |
| 05:11.34 | dylanm | Actually, there's more than that. |
| 05:11.44 | Halcy | ok i was able to get it to call the handler |
| 05:11.49 | Halcy | is there anyway to pass params? |
| 05:11.51 | Halcy | ie self? |
| 05:12.13 | MentalPower | Dashkal: there is docs, in slouken's thread and in the combat log's code |
| 05:12.24 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: ^^^^ |
| 05:12.44 | Dashkal | I think I have the docs for the events I care about. RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE apparently will fire when the master looter is set |
| 05:12.46 | CIA-39 | 03cwdg * r68549 10Prat/Prat.toc: |
| 05:12.46 | CIA-39 | Prat: Remove CWDG Info and url again |
| 05:12.46 | CIA-39 | please remember to update before commit |
| 05:12.48 | dylanm | Halcy: Well, which method are you using? A function? |
| 05:12.49 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: not the combatlog flags, the actually events of those names |
| 05:12.50 | CIA-39 | 03durcyn * r68550 10Omniscience/Data.lua: Omniscience: add Gouge |
| 05:12.53 | Dashkal | as well as when a RA is assigned |
| 05:13.20 | Dashkal | MentalPower: Context: I'm writing grid status indicators to catch the party leader, raid leader, raid assist, and master looter |
| 05:13.32 | MentalPower | oh UNIT_FLAGS event... yeah... |
| 05:13.36 | Halcy | dylanm: Registering via self:RegisterEvent |
| 05:13.41 | MentalPower | Dashkal: use RRU, its better for that |
| 05:13.41 | Halcy | dylanm: its embedded |
| 05:13.46 | dylanm | What are your arguments to it |
| 05:13.52 | Dashkal | RRU? |
| 05:13.53 | dylanm | What are you trying to accomplish |
| 05:13.54 | MentalPower | I think UNIT_FLAGS is for something else |
| 05:14.00 | durcyn | [Ammo]: ping |
| 05:14.01 | Halcy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.04 | dylanm | Dashkal: RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE? |
| 05:14.05 | Dashkal | oh, the event |
| 05:14.06 | Dashkal | using it |
| 05:14.07 | MentalPower | Dashkal: RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 05:14.09 | Halcy | History is the object |
| 05:14.23 | Dashkal | triggering on PARTY_LEADER_CHANGED, PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED, and RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 05:14.27 | Dashkal | I think that covers what I need |
| 05:14.29 | WobWork | on my old MUD, we had a player club called RRU |
| 05:14.36 | WobWork | "Resurrections R Us" |
| 05:14.52 | WobWork | Consisted of all the pishite priests who were willing to go around ressing people |
| 05:15.02 | WobWork | non sequitrs |
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| 05:17.38 | Halcy | i suppose within the method i can just do self = whatever |
| 05:17.42 | Halcy | kinda hacky but meh |
| 05:17.45 | Halcy | quick solution |
| 05:17.58 | dylanm | No no you shouldn't have to. |
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| 05:18.53 | Dashkal | Is UnitInRaid("player") a good way to tell if you are currently in a raid (as opposed to party) group? |
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| 05:19.24 | Halcy | it also appears when I call RegisterEvent for a second time handing it a new handler, it overwrites the first |
| 05:19.25 | MentalPower | Dashkal: I believe so, check wowwiki tho |
| 05:19.26 | Halcy | and only calls the second |
| 05:19.28 | dylanm | Halcy: What are you trying to call when the event is recieved? A method on self? An anonymous function? |
| 05:19.38 | Dashkal | It's either that or GetNumRaidMembers() |
| 05:19.42 | Halcy | a method on self |
| 05:20.06 | dylanm | Then you do like self:RegisterEvent("UNIT_HEALTH", "UpdateHealth"). |
| 05:20.10 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: use GetNumRaidMembers() |
| 05:20.27 | MentalPower | Dashkal: that seems to work |
| 05:20.28 | dylanm | And then you later get a call like self["UpdateHealth"](self, "UNIT_HEALTH", "player"). |
| 05:20.44 | Halcy | ok, where did you find that btw? |
| 05:20.49 | MentalPower | Dashkal: note that UnitInParty("player") will always return true |
| 05:20.53 | Dashkal | perfect. thanks for the help. Hopefully i'll be committing soon |
| 05:21.00 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: it doesnt return true |
| 05:21.04 | dylanm | Uh that's me reading over the source again :p |
| 05:21.04 | MentalPower | just FYI |
| 05:21.08 | Arrowmaster | its an index not a bool |
| 05:21.09 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: 1 fine |
| 05:21.20 | Halcy | which source file in particular? |
| 05:21.34 | dylanm | That of CallBackHandler. |
| 05:21.50 | Halcy | ah. i had a quick perusal of that file and was very lost heh |
| 05:21.51 | dylanm | Er, CallbackHandler. AceEvent is a really thin wrapper around it that does Blizzard event registration. |
| 05:22.00 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitInParty <--Update the wiki then |
| 05:22.02 | dylanm | I think the wiki has some docs. |
| 05:22.06 | dylanm | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/CallbackHandler |
| 05:22.07 | dylanm | Here we go. |
| 05:22.09 | Halcy | ah |
| 05:22.26 | Halcy | do you have any suggestions for being able to register multiple handlers per one event? |
| 05:23.41 | MentalPower | Halcy: register one and dispatch yourself |
| 05:23.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah create a function that calls the rest of the functions |
| 05:24.22 | Halcy | ya, i thought about doing that but I am creating an addon that has dynamic plugins itself that register with the addon, so creating a dispatcher for every event is le suck |
| 05:24.48 | MentalPower | Halcy: err... no, its quite simple |
| 05:24.56 | Arrowmaster | each plugin should have its own table |
| 05:24.57 | Halcy | oh? |
| 05:25.00 | Arrowmaster | so no problem |
| 05:25.32 | Halcy | my core would have to register with every event that could possible be requested by a plugin though no? |
| 05:25.39 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:25.39 | Halcy | *possibly |
| 05:25.43 | dylanm | If you make a submodule with the AceEvent embed you get a new set of toys in some sense. |
| 05:25.53 | Arrowmaster | you would do the event registration in your submoduels |
| 05:26.06 | Arrowmaster | each would have its own table so you wouldnt have any issue |
| 05:26.25 | Halcy | so like dylan said, re-embeding event into each submodule |
| 05:26.27 | Halcy | ? |
| 05:26.34 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:26.40 | Arrowmaster | thats how you do submodules |
| 05:26.56 | dylanm | You want like MyAddon:NewModule("FreePizza", "AceEvent-3.0") and then you go to town with that. |
| 05:27.17 | on1y | totla 12 attempts ili down |
| 05:27.21 | MentalPower | Halcy: no need to re-embed, since your main module has it already, but you would use its functions |
| 05:27.36 | Halcy | is there a wiki page on submodules? didn't know that concept existed (new to ace) |
| 05:28.58 | dylanm | MentalPower: Well you have to explicitly include it somehow right? Either in the way I described or by setting it as a default module embed on the parent addon. I don't think you inherit anything other than a name automatically. |
| 05:29.36 | MentalPower | dylanm: I meant the actual physical files, no need to re-include them |
| 05:29.40 | dylanm | Oh, right. |
| 05:30.05 | on1y | lock tanking fro ilidan is fun :P |
| 05:30.10 | dylanm | Yeah I don't like the word embed meaning different things either... I always thought these were called mixins. |
| 05:30.29 | dylanm | Ruby seems fond of the terminology. |
| 05:30.34 | MentalPower | *shrug* |
| 05:30.40 | dylanm | But we have :Embed() and that's sort of hard to get around. |
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| 05:38.50 | Halcy | excellent, the NewModule worked perfect |
| 05:38.51 | Halcy | thanks folks |
| 05:39.46 | AbsoRayne | Is there a problem with the newest Bartender? |
| 05:40.06 | AbsoRayne | I have my wifes button paging set on her Warrior, but no matter what I set it to, the bar never changes. |
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| 05:42.58 | AbsoRayne | Anyone? |
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| 05:50.29 | Bruners | AbsoRayne: try deleting bartenders saved variables |
| 05:51.41 | JJSheets | Night Ya'll. |
| 05:54.27 | Bruners | is the hit cap for hunters 138 or 142? |
| 05:55.24 | CIA-39 | 03antiarc * r68551 10Threat-2.0/Threat-2.0/ThreatClassModuleCore.lua: |
| 05:55.24 | CIA-39 | Threat-2.0: Add a blacklist of mob IDs to never parse threat data for. Currently |
| 05:55.24 | CIA-39 | only contains Crypt Scarabs, the little bugs used by Crypt Fiends in Hyjal - |
| 05:55.24 | CIA-39 | they don't have a combat log death message on despawn, which causes all sorts of |
| 05:55.24 | CIA-39 | fun issues. This should drastically reduce CPU and network traffic overhead for |
| 05:55.27 | CIA-39 | Hyjal. |
| 05:58.39 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: let me guess, every time a healer would heal they would transmit an updated threat table that contained every crypt scarab seen since the healer had entered combat? |
| 05:59.57 | Orionshock | prolli |
| 06:00.57 | ramoz | sounds nasty |
| 06:03.29 | Maelos` | That would explain our Hyjal omen issue :) |
| 06:03.41 | Maelos` | People with weak PCs were all having issues |
| 06:04.28 | Arrowmaster | theres other issues too |
| 06:04.40 | Arrowmaster | seen problems when people all had omen disabled |
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| 06:05.19 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68552 10AckisRecipeList/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 06:05.19 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 06:05.19 | CIA-39 | - More cooking vendor information added |
| 06:05.19 | CIA-39 | - Engineering partial conversion to spell IDs |
| 06:05.19 | CIA-39 | - Missed an engineering vendor |
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| 06:09.43 | Dashkal | Bleh, the docs on GetLootMethod are confusing. |
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| 06:12.09 | Dashkal | masterlooterRaidID -- Number - (When In 'master', nil otherwise) returns number of raid members if player is masterLooter, 1-40 if raid member is masterLooter (corresponding to raid1-40) and nil if the player is not in a raid. |
| 06:12.25 | Dashkal | *blink* the number of raid members when "player" is the ML?? |
| 06:13.00 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: Among other things, yes |
| 06:13.09 | Antiarc | Any time a druid/rogue gained rage |
| 06:13.14 | Antiarc | Or a paladin got healed and gained mana |
| 06:13.19 | Antiarc | Or a rogue used a finisher and used energy |
| 06:13.19 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: part of the unitid |
| 06:13.33 | Antiarc | Oh hey, global threat, awesome! Let's tell the raid about the 30 crypt scarabs we saw. |
| 06:13.41 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: yeah or lifebloom went off on anybody |
| 06:14.11 | Dashkal | the part that seems wrong is the case of player being the ML. as I read that, you get the size of the raid when the player is ML. I'd _expect_ it to be the player's pos in the raid (treating the player like any other raid member) |
| 06:14.29 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: you do get the players position |
| 06:14.39 | Dashkal | I ended up using the isML return from GetRaidRosterInfo() since I had to call that anyway to get RL and RA |
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| 06:14.55 | Dashkal | ok, so the docs are just odd. good to know |
| 06:14.57 | [SW]Dodge | g'morning all |
| 06:15.00 | Dashkal | mornin |
| 06:15.09 | Antiarc | In short, Crypt Scarabs are a bitch :P |
| 06:15.25 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: they were writen by somebody that didnt know that the player is always the last unit in the raid |
| 06:15.43 | Dashkal | I didn't know that myself |
| 06:15.59 | Dashkal | odd, but since it's the players pos that works. |
| 06:16.02 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: or atlesat used to be, ive been told things have changed since 2.0 |
| 06:16.15 | Dashkal | I'm getting nicely confused at how raids and groups are handled so very very differently |
| 06:16.24 | MentalPower | welcome to the club |
| 06:16.25 | Dashkal | My first pass at this is not going to win any efficency awards |
| 06:16.42 | Dashkal | But I'm aiming for "correct" not "fast" |
| 06:17.01 | MentalPower | code first, optimize later |
| 06:17.03 | Cryect | well raid id's are set so you can iterate over them numerically but as a result it doesn't correspond to raid position at all |
| 06:17.07 | MentalPower | and don't blind optimize |
| 06:17.13 | Cryect | uh |
| 06:17.20 | Cryect | its better to use good algorithms |
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| 06:17.26 | Dashkal | oh hell no. I've been a programmer long enough to know not to blind optomize |
| 06:17.33 | Arrowmaster | ive been told they changed it so raid possitions dont change as people join and leave the raid |
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| 06:17.36 | MentalPower | Cryect: no, its better to have more data |
| 06:17.39 | Dashkal | but I haven't been a lua programmer long enough to know what algorithm to use uet |
| 06:18.04 | Dashkal | still, long as it behaves correctly, I can do caching and such later |
| 06:18.18 | Cryect | MentalPower what?' |
| 06:19.17 | Cryect | well yeah caching and such doesn't really matter so much as your algorithm as matters initially over how you iterate |
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| 06:19.37 | MentalPower | Cryect: http://anand.typepad.com/datawocky/2008/03/more-data-usual.html |
| 06:20.16 | Cryect | Thats not true when your bottleneck is memory bandwidth |
| 06:20.23 | Cryect | and uh thats on data mining |
| 06:20.30 | Cryect | what a surprise the more data you have the more accurate your results |
| 06:20.34 | Cryect | thats not performance |
| 06:20.56 | Dashkal | In this case the inefficency is that I check raid and party statuses and set or unset a status flag on every party member regardless |
| 06:21.13 | Dashkal | I don't try to track changes to the raid leader, for example, so I can precision set the flag on the leader and unset it from the old one |
| 06:21.18 | Cryect | unless you are doing this every frame I doubt it really matters so much |
| 06:21.32 | Dashkal | nah, I'm only trapping on interesting events (party/raid updates) |
| 06:21.39 | CIA-39 | 03antiarc * r68553 10Omen/Omen.lua: Omen: Fix default profile crap. Default profile string needs to be third parameter, not second. |
| 06:21.48 | MentalPower | Cryect: it was a joke |
| 06:22.11 | MentalPower | kinda like "Cake is good" -> "The cake is a lie!" |
| 06:22.50 | Cryect | unfortunately its hard to tell you intend as a joke in text :-p |
| 06:23.04 | MentalPower | yes I know |
| 06:23.06 | MentalPower | and I'm tired |
| 06:23.14 | MentalPower | *shrug* |
| 06:23.17 | Cryect | the thing is there is an argument for more data is better kinda if its properly stored in data structures :-p |
| 06:23.20 | Dashkal | there we go, I think I caught all the cases |
| 06:23.41 | Dashkal | even ML in a 5man (Does that ever get used?) |
| 06:23.55 | Cryect | prolly |
| 06:24.01 | MentalPower | it is |
| 06:24.04 | Dashkal | well, I handle it correctly |
| 06:24.06 | Dashkal | (I hope) |
| 06:24.08 | MentalPower | I used it for some questionable PuGs |
| 06:24.13 | Cryect | hehe |
| 06:24.14 | MentalPower | back in the day |
| 06:24.15 | Dashkal | ahh, fair enough |
| 06:24.25 | Dashkal | I'm elietist in regards to pugs... I just won't anymore |
| 06:24.31 | Dashkal | one to many tards |
| 06:24.48 | MentalPower | where two of the people's names were random letters, and neither of them said anything more than "me need [some Item], thanks" |
| 06:24.54 | Dashkal | I have "fond" memories of getting repops in VC |
| 06:25.01 | Dranor | <Dashkal> even ML in a 5man (Does that ever get used?) < you don't know how lame can be a pug |
| 06:26.21 | Cryect | MentalPower, you profiler! obviously racist against random named players |
| 06:26.59 | MentalPower | Cryect: yes, I am, I'm also against farmers |
| 06:27.35 | Maelos` | Can anyone provide some clarification on how the * and ** can be used for manipulating profiles with AceDB-3.0? |
| 06:27.57 | Maelos` | I'm not completely proficient with lua so I'm not able to read the code that well |
| 06:28.38 | MentalPower | can't answer that one |
| 06:28.46 | MentalPower | does not currently use Ace |
| 06:29.01 | Arrowmaster | its exactly like in acedb2 which you can probably find better examples for |
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| 06:35.23 | CIA-39 | 03lff0305 * r68554 10FuBar_LoginTimerFu/ (FuBar_LoginTimerFu.toc README.txt locales/koKR.lua): FuBar_LoginTimerFu: version 0.12. Add Korean locale. Thanks to sumomo90@naver.com |
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| 06:48.11 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 06:48.11 | CIA-39 | - All engineering converted to use Spell IDs. Go me. |
| 06:49.58 | Antiarc | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12658.0 <-- woo, go use, give feedback. |
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| 06:51.25 | Zhinjio | that is pretty cool. |
| 06:51.31 | Zhinjio | ace3 based, I assume? |
| 06:54.36 | Zhinjio | further: does it just capture boss fights, or all mobs? |
| 06:55.10 | Halcy | wow that is cool |
| 06:55.25 | Halcy | did you use a UI framework for that anti? |
| 06:56.59 | Antiarc | Ace3, yeah. |
| 06:57.04 | Antiarc | AceGUI-3.0, rather |
| 06:57.08 | Antiarc | Zhinjio: All mobs |
| 06:57.10 | Antiarc | And yes, it's Ace3 |
| 06:57.41 | Antiarc | We just happened to only have Illidan in BT tonight |
| 06:57.57 | Antiarc | And I wiped my spell DB earlier |
| 06:58.01 | Halcy | thats a good lookin addon |
| 06:58.27 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: does it have options yet? id prefer to disable the on tooltip display |
| 06:58.40 | nevcairiel | how do you figure out if something can resist? |
| 06:58.51 | Antiarc | Yes, it has options |
| 06:58.56 | nevcairiel | records that when it happens |
| 06:58.57 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 06:58.57 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: By looking for a resist in the combat log :P |
| 06:59.00 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 06:59.02 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 06:59.18 | Antiarc | It's the kind of thing I could pre-package with data eventually I guess. |
| 06:59.22 | Antiarc | But eh, it's a toy for now |
| 06:59.27 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: hmm if your going that far why not also add tracking for if mobs can crush? |
| 06:59.32 | Antiarc | It does |
| 06:59.39 | Arrowmaster | orly? |
| 06:59.47 | Antiarc | If you hover the melee it tells you the damage range and attack speed and whether it can crit or crush or whatever |
| 06:59.52 | Arrowmaster | nice |
| 07:00.09 | Antiarc | The lower bound of the attack speed gets borked by parries though |
| 07:00.13 | Arrowmaster | guessing it says cant crush for mobs that can but youve just never seen crush |
| 07:00.30 | Antiarc | Well, it doesn't say "can't crush", just omits the "can crush" |
| 07:00.37 | Arrowmaster | ah |
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| 07:00.54 | Arrowmaster | thats a good way to do it |
| 07:00.54 | Halcy | because you dont know it can, until it does |
| 07:00.55 | Halcy | :) |
| 07:01.08 | Antiarc | Oh, and it has search-as-you-type >_> |
| 07:01.09 | Antiarc | It's awesome |
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| 07:02.12 | kergoth | I <3 the feature to show the spells they cast in the tooltips, all color coded and all |
| 07:02.21 | Jazradel | can you link whatever you're talking about, i joined halfway through the convo |
| 07:02.26 | Antiarc | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12658.0 |
| 07:02.46 | Jazradel | thanks |
| 07:02.59 | Zhinjio | yeah man... htats pretty damn hot |
| 07:03.24 | Zhinjio | I was already teetering on the edge of moving to ace3 mods, that will probably push me over the edge. |
| 07:03.37 | Antiarc | Well, you can run Ace2 and Ace3 mods concurrently |
| 07:03.42 | Dashkal | oh yuck, it wants me to use player _names_. I understand why but yuck |
| 07:04.04 | Zhinjio | I know. |
| 07:04.25 | Zhinjio | just more libs throw into the mess |
| 07:04.26 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 07:05.05 | kergoth | i dont' see why you'd care. install the mods you like, who gives a shit what they use |
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| 07:06.23 | Zhinjio | sighs. |
| 07:06.27 | Nocts | kergoth: i dont' see why you'd care. install the mods you like, who gives a shit what they use |
| 07:06.29 | Nocts | ^ This. |
| 07:06.39 | Nocts | Ditch the politics and start using what works best for you. |
| 07:06.43 | Antiarc | Heh, I run Ace2, Ace3, Dongle, and Rock mods :P |
| 07:06.49 | kergoth | same |
| 07:06.50 | Antiarc | Granted, it's less efficient than it could be |
| 07:06.53 | Nocts | Same. |
| 07:06.54 | Antiarc | But it works for me |
| 07:07.07 | kergoth | and rock config ui's are fugly, but a few addons are worth it :P |
| 07:07.11 | nevcairiel | I dont run Rock Mods |
| 07:07.12 | nevcairiel | :) |
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| 07:07.18 | Nocts | Wah. |
| 07:07.27 | Nocts | If it's because of politics, you fail. |
| 07:07.31 | Antiarc | I like PitBull. Or rather, I dislike it less than the rest. :P |
| 07:08.07 | Dranor | you'll ditch pitbull if you try ouf with a nice layout |
| 07:08.20 | Jazradel | it does seem a waste to run an entire framework just to run a single addon |
| 07:08.26 | nevcairiel | all the mods that use rock, are like rock, kinda "big", i prefer smaller addons |
| 07:08.46 | kergoth | Jazradel: why? so it uses a little ram, big deal. it's not like its a large cpu load, the ram is insignificant |
| 07:08.48 | Antiarc | I'll give ouf a shot, for sure. |
| 07:08.52 | nevcairiel | so i never had a need to run rock |
| 07:09.00 | kergoth | ouf seems like a pain to set up |
| 07:09.08 | Antiarc | Cart and FuBar are also indispensable to me :P |
| 07:09.20 | Antiarc | Though there is the Ace2 FuBar override. |
| 07:09.22 | nevcairiel | Mapster and the other new map addons ftw |
| 07:09.25 | kergoth | i'm pretty happy with mapster+routes+gathermate+tomtom, myself |
| 07:09.37 | Jazradel | kergoth: I know it's insignificant, it doesn't mean it's not a waste |
| 07:10.25 | Primer | !rating 1654 |
| 07:10.26 | Xinhuan | 1654 rating gives 539(5s), 475(3s) and 410(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 07:10.28 | kergoth | sure, but if it doesn't have a real world impact.. |
| 07:11.04 | Dranor | well i'm using ouf with a customized version of p3lim's layout, so the only thing to do is kill the raidframes spawning code and set some widths |
| 07:11.14 | CIA-39 | 03elsia * r68557 10Recount/ (LazySync.lua Recount_Modes.lua): |
| 07:11.14 | CIA-39 | Recount: |
| 07:11.14 | CIA-39 | - More bug fixes. |
| 07:11.42 | Nocts | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8306-1.0.1.html |
| 07:11.47 | Nocts | I confess myself impressed, Nevi. |
| 07:11.53 | Nocts | Spot on what I was looking for. |
| 07:12.01 | Halcy | is CIA-39 reporting subversion checkins? |
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| 07:12.21 | kergoth | Halcy: yes. see http://cia.vc/ |
| 07:12.36 | Halcy | thats pretty cool |
| 07:12.37 | Nocts | nevcairiel: Does it show party member map icons for combat status? |
| 07:12.41 | Nocts | Invaluable to me in BGs. |
| 07:13.21 | kergoth | Nocts: yep |
| 07:13.34 | Nocts | I've just experienced pre-cum. |
| 07:13.36 | Nocts | Thank you. |
| 07:13.53 | Antiarc | o.0 |
| 07:13.54 | Antiarc | I uh |
| 07:14.00 | Antiarc | Don't know if it was just coincidence |
| 07:14.13 | Antiarc | But disabling Cart decreased my load-in time by probably a good 30-45 seconds |
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| 07:14.18 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 07:14.34 | nevcairiel | i dont even have a loadtime long like that in total |
| 07:14.38 | Antiarc | We're talking 10 seconds from select -> load in compared to like a minute. |
| 07:15.10 | nevcairiel | hmm i need to update the options screenshot |
| 07:15.14 | nevcairiel | for Mapster |
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| 07:20.39 | Maelos` | http://www.sacredalliance.net/downloads/maelos_ui-2.0.jpg |
| 07:20.54 | Maelos` | Screen of the UI I'm releasing. :) |
| 07:20.56 | CIA-39 | 03jazradel * r68558 10AutoRes/: Created directory AutoRes |
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| 07:24.41 | Zhinjio | qustion about Ace3: if I remember reading that... the idea was to essentially have all "libs" be small enough that it didn't matter if everyone addon had them completely embedded. |
| 07:24.46 | Zhinjio | is that a correct impression? |
| 07:24.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 07:25.05 | Arrowmaster | only include the ones you use |
| 07:25.53 | Zhinjio | is it even viable to run them disembedded? |
| 07:25.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 07:26.50 | nevcairiel | not really but people do it anyway :P |
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| 07:27.00 | Arrowmaster | i do..... |
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| 07:30.31 | CIA-39 | 03jazradel * r68559 10AutoRes/ (AutoRes.lua AutoRes.toc): AutoRes: Commited addon |
| 07:31.08 | Jazradel | lets hope i did that right |
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| 07:33.11 | aestil | ckknight: salute |
| 07:34.09 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68560 10AckisRecipeList/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:34.09 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 07:34.09 | CIA-39 | - More cooking vendors added... FFS one recipe has 19 vendors! |
| 07:35.47 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: you need to steal the image from http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/9924/ |
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| 07:37.52 | Dashkal | long shot but... |
| 07:37.54 | Dashkal | pastamancer: ping |
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| 07:38.02 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: haha |
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| 07:38.14 | CIA-39 | 03antiarc * r68561 10Omen/Modules/SingleTarget/SingleTarget.lua: Omen: ArrangeBars after showing threat for a new target. Should fix a few display issues. |
| 07:38.54 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: AWESOME. |
| 07:38.56 | Kalroth | Antiarc: helo, u thar? i uppadted ommen 3 weeks ago and it nut werk! |
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| 07:39.53 | Antiarc | Kalroth: Teabag a blender, and let me know if that fixes it. |
| 07:40.06 | Dashkal | woot, got this thing almost ready. all I need now is to figure out when to do my "initial" update (if you /rl, it breaks) |
| 07:40.07 | VonhintenHOME` | oooo |
| 07:40.08 | Kalroth | takes notes. |
| 07:40.09 | VonhintenHOME` | sounds fun |
| 07:40.57 | Nocts | nevcairiel: Personal thoughts on bongos3? |
| 07:41.16 | Antiarc | So yeah. I don't know what the hell Cart was doing, but dropping it improved my UI load time by like a factor of a billion. |
| 07:41.30 | Kalroth | Antiarc: Hum? |
| 07:41.41 | Nocts | Yeah, mapster has replaced cart for now. |
| 07:41.53 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: might have been the instancemap stuff |
| 07:41.56 | Antiarc | I replaced Cartographer with Mapster, and my UI load-in time dropped from like 90 sec to about 10-15 sec |
| 07:41.57 | nevcairiel | Nocts: no idea, dont use it :P |
| 07:42.09 | VonhintenHOME` | hmm, really |
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| 07:42.18 | VonhintenHOME` | Does mapster have the same functionality? |
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| 07:42.27 | VonhintenHOME` | I can't live without my /waypoint's |
| 07:42.29 | Arrowmaster | not all since cart is huge |
| 07:42.30 | Antiarc | Mapster + GatherMate + Routes + TomTom |
| 07:42.36 | Antiarc | Which gives you all the high points |
| 07:42.42 | Nocts | Instance maps? |
| 07:42.44 | kergoth | jeeze, i wish my ui loaded in 10-15 sec, i think i'd have to drop like 75% of the addons i'm using |
| 07:42.46 | VonhintenHOME` | tomtom != /waypoint |
| 07:42.50 | [Endeavour] | How can I left-align the text on a button created with CreateFrame("Button"...) ? |
| 07:42.59 | cladhaire | VonhintenHOME`: care to explain to me HOW its != to /waypoint? |
| 07:43.10 | Kalroth | !?= |
| 07:43.13 | Firedancer | lol |
| 07:43.16 | cladhaire | not equals |
| 07:43.26 | Arrowmaster | we use Lua here! its ~= |
| 07:43.32 | VonhintenHOME` | sorry, != doesn't make sense to you folks |
| 07:43.33 | Kalroth | I know what it means, I was trying to make a funnay :( |
| 07:43.36 | Shirik | imo, <> |
| 07:43.37 | Antiarc | =~=~=~=~=~^_^=~=~=~=~=~ |
| 07:43.41 | kergoth | VonhintenHOME`: tomtom provides a waypoint slash command. is there something special about the one you're thinking of? |
| 07:43.44 | cladhaire | VonhintenHOME`: it makes plenty of sense to me, I'm a programmer |
| 07:43.44 | Antiarc | != is my favorite |
| 07:43.50 | Antiarc | <> can die in a VB-loving fire. |
| 07:43.54 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 07:44.00 | Kalroth | ~~~~~~~/\~~~~\o/~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 07:44.03 | Shirik | actually, bnz |
| 07:44.04 | kergoth | hahah |
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| 07:44.05 | Arrowmaster | != is generally the most recognized one |
| 07:44.07 | cladhaire | but i still would like to know why it can't be used as a replacement |
| 07:44.07 | Shirik | bnz == not equal |
| 07:44.10 | Cheads | cladhaire: am I right in assuming that carto + tomtom is not the best combo still? |
| 07:44.20 | MentalPower | [Endeavour]: get the fontstring and change the horiz align |
| 07:44.22 | Kalroth | goto! |
| 07:44.25 | VonhintenHOME` | well, I'm a c++ programmerr, not a lua programmer, didn't realize before I hit enter that folks may not understand =P |
| 07:44.26 | cladhaire | Cheads: Cartographer isn't the best combo with itself. |
| 07:44.31 | CIA-39 | 03jazradel * r68562 10QuickQueue/: QuickQueue: Created root directory |
| 07:44.31 | Cheads | hehe |
| 07:44.34 | Shirik | Antiarc: I dont know VB :) |
| 07:44.36 | cladhaire | it should work tho |
| 07:44.38 | Shirik | I picked that up from BASIC |
| 07:44.48 | Arrowmaster | eww basic |
| 07:44.58 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 07:44.58 | Shirik | meh, it was my first language. I picked it up in 5th grade lol |
| 07:45.00 | VonhintenHOME` | tomtom doesn't do the cool 3d arrow thing, does it? |
| 07:45.04 | Jazradel | does now |
| 07:45.06 | kergoth | yes, it does |
| 07:45.07 | cladhaire | yes it does |
| 07:45.08 | cladhaire | actually |
| 07:45.09 | cladhaire | has since 2.4 |
| 07:45.10 | VonhintenHOME` | oh, hmm |
| 07:45.10 | NeoTron | is there a way to do var1, var2 = [array with 2 entries] |
| 07:45.12 | Shirik | I switched over to C++ in 7th when one of my friends was like wtf are you using that for |
| 07:45.23 | MentalPower | cladhaire: Guillotine made an actual 3d one |
| 07:45.24 | Antiarc | I have a great idea for a compass indicator |
| 07:45.25 | Zeksie | I learnt MS-BASIC on Dragon 32... oh so many years ago.. |
| 07:45.26 | NeoTron | i.e a way to make an ordered array into a multiple arguments |
| 07:45.26 | Antiarc | Rather than an arrow |
| 07:45.30 | Cheads | ok clad, also when adding waypoints using the worldmap? ctrl-righclick ? |
| 07:45.30 | VonhintenHOME` | does it support adding a waypoint to the end of a queue, not just the front? |
| 07:45.37 | Antiarc | If I wanted to replace the arrow in TomTom with my indicator, how hard would that be to do? |
| 07:45.42 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: t[1], t[2]? or would you prefer the slow unpack(t) |
| 07:45.42 | cladhaire | Cheads: yes |
| 07:45.45 | [Endeavour] | MentalPower: Tried that but it appears i'm too stupid to do so :-/ |
| 07:45.56 | MentalPower | [Endeavour]: pastey yer code |
| 07:45.57 | Cheads | humm humm will have to try again, thanks |
| 07:45.59 | NeoTron | an unpack .. |
| 07:46.07 | cladhaire | Antiarc: non-trivial, but I could put it in TomTom as an option pretty easily |
| 07:46.16 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: then yes you can use unpack(t) |
| 07:46.18 | theoddone33 | lua> 114 / 0.05 |
| 07:46.18 | lua_bot | theoddone33: 2280 |
| 07:46.32 | Antiarc | cladhaire: I'll write a proof-of-concept and throw it up for you |
| 07:46.36 | cladhaire | MentalPower: have any more information? |
| 07:46.46 | cladhaire | Antiarc: cool, should be easy to drop in |
| 07:46.53 | MentalPower | cladhaire: a link, one sec |
| 07:46.56 | cladhaire | you sure one of the existing compass addons don't do what you want? |
| 07:46.59 | VonhintenHOME` | with cart I could do /way add 12,34 "This way to Doucheville" |
| 07:47.14 | Antiarc | I haven't seen any that do it. It's just an alternate display. |
| 07:47.19 | Antiarc | Lemme mock something up in Photoshop real fast |
| 07:47.22 | cladhaire | ther'es one on wowi |
| 07:47.26 | Shirik | VonhintenHOME`You can do that with tomtom too? |
| 07:47.28 | Guillotine | cladhaire: Yah, if you want to use the 3d arrow in TomTom, you're welcome to. Its at http://www.geocities.com/curse.guillotine/CartArrow.zip |
| 07:47.32 | VonhintenHOME` | Can you? |
| 07:47.35 | Guillotine | cladhaire: you just color it dynamically via fog |
| 07:47.42 | Shirik | in fact its the same command, I believe |
| 07:47.53 | cladhaire | Guillotine: awesome |
| 07:47.58 | cladhaire | glad someone int he community finally figured out how to do this |
| 07:48.01 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: unpack is good enough, it's for a rarely used method |
| 07:48.23 | cladhaire | Guillotine: is setting the position difficult, or just a matter of SetFacing? |
| 07:48.34 | Guillotine | cladhaire: Just a matter of SetFacing() |
| 07:48.36 | CIA-39 | 03jazradel * r68563 10QuickQueue/ (Core.lua QuickQueue.toc): QuickQueue: Commited addon |
| 07:48.37 | cladhaire | hot |
| 07:48.42 | cladhaire | minimap arrows make me want to cry |
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| 07:48.45 | cladhaire | since we can't color them |
| 07:48.47 | cladhaire | and they're a bitch to place |
| 07:48.49 | Guillotine | unless you want to do the wierd moving up/down thing the cart one does when you're within 5 meters |
| 07:48.54 | Guillotine | then you need to move it |
| 07:48.55 | cladhaire | thats why i reverted |
| 07:49.00 | cladhaire | Guillotine: yeah i do do that |
| 07:49.10 | charon | mornign |
| 07:49.11 | cladhaire | Guillotine: any hints on what I need to do to make that happen? :P |
| 07:49.12 | charon | s/ign/ing/ |
| 07:49.20 | cladhaire | Antiarc: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7547-XolansCompassBarXolpass1.01.html |
| 07:49.33 | VonhintenHOME` | The cart waypoints are a little unpredictable with auto-removal I find |
| 07:49.51 | Antiarc | Not quite what I'm looking for |
| 07:49.57 | cladhaire | k k |
| 07:50.02 | cladhaire | just wanted to make sure |
| 07:50.05 | Guillotine | Cladhaire: just set the facing to face down and use Model:SetPosition() on a loop |
| 07:50.14 | Guillotine | haven't figured out how to actually program animations into the model yet |
| 07:50.21 | cladhaire | ill play with it now |
| 07:50.23 | Orionshock | there a cap to how many badges u can get? |
| 07:50.35 | [Endeavour] | http://ace.pastey.net/85323 |
| 07:50.40 | Antiarc | Hehe, thanks |
| 07:50.48 | cladhaire | Guillotine: very excited that you figured this out |
| 07:50.49 | VonhintenHOME` | Don't think so Orion, I've got friends with over 400 |
| 07:50.49 | Antiarc | This one's a bit more stylistic. |
| 07:50.57 | cladhaire | you're a hot commodity now! |
| 07:51.02 | cladhaire | not that you weren't before :P |
| 07:51.15 | Guillotine | cladhaire: Truthfully, I wasn't the one that figured it out. A friend did and I used a bit of his work to make an arrow and convert it over |
| 07:51.15 | Shirik | Guillotines hot |
| 07:51.30 | cladhaire | well <3 you both |
| 07:51.43 | Guillotine | But now hes in Japan so hasn't been working on it more :( |
| 07:51.47 | Dashkal | Soon as I figure out what event to trigger on this'll be ready for upload to anybody who's interested (I added party leader/RL/RA/ML indicators to grid) |
| 07:51.49 | Dashkal | night |
| 07:52.10 | cladhaire | fires up wowlua |
| 07:52.18 | Shirik | Dashkal: RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 07:52.21 | Shirik | oh well |
| 07:52.28 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 07:52.32 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 07:52.43 | nevcairiel | ~slow Shirik |
| 07:52.44 | purl | ACTION attaches a ball and chain to Shirik |
| 07:52.54 | Shirik | its 4 AM :( |
| 07:53.58 | Nocts | How is tour guide compared to lightheaded? |
| 07:54.06 | cladhaire | they're compliments of each other |
| 07:54.07 | Jazradel | they do different things |
| 07:54.08 | Guillotine | dammit, just realized I've been collecting primal mana from all my chars instead of primal water :( |
| 07:54.10 | cladhaire | not replacements |
| 07:54.20 | Shirik | <3 Guillotine |
| 07:54.26 | Shirik | I did the same exact thing not too long ago |
| 07:54.30 | [Endeavour] | How can i left-align the text on buttons? http://ace.pastey.net/85323 |
| 07:54.31 | Shirik | wouldnt be for belt of the long road, would it? |
| 07:54.40 | Jazradel | tour guide is like a list of quests, lightheaded is how to do them |
| 07:54.41 | aestil | why, i don't know, but i just did research on cocaine. |
| 07:54.48 | Guillotine | Shirik: nah. For the healing enchant for weapon |
| 07:54.52 | aestil | i htink its cause gary busey was on the tv. |
| 07:54.59 | Shirik | I spent the entire day farming manas to find out I was supposed to be getting waters instead |
| 07:55.10 | aestil | and chris farley. |
| 07:55.17 | ramoz | what encoding is Shirik writing in? his ' are werid :P |
| 07:55.25 | Shirik | omg I know >< |
| 07:55.29 | Shirik | I dont know how to fix it >< |
| 07:55.34 | Guillotine | hes just confused by apostrophes |
| 07:55.36 | MentalPower | [Endeavour]: http://ace.pastey.net/85324 |
| 07:55.42 | Shirik | and its so annoying because I cant type lua code in here! |
| 07:55.50 | Shirik | AND STOP WITH THE CTCPS ALREADY |
| 07:55.54 | ramoz | mirkk |
| 07:55.56 | ramoz | eeew |
| 07:56.01 | Shirik | I get like 50 a day now |
| 07:56.10 | [Endeavour] | MentalPower: Thanks a lot!! |
| 07:56.13 | ramoz | you deserve it imo! |
| 07:56.25 | [eu]gunder | cladhaire: does the new quest linking with 2.4 mean that there is a unique ID for the quests? |
| 07:56.31 | Shirik | I think it started when I upgraded to SP1 |
| 07:56.34 | cladhaire | yes |
| 07:56.39 | cladhaire | and 2.4 has been updated |
| 07:56.45 | Shirik | ?s??s?ny???r? |
| 07:56.52 | theoddone33 | lua> (114 / 0.05) / 0.57 - 424 |
| 07:56.52 | lua_bot | theoddone33: 3576 |
| 07:56.52 | Shirik | ok thats definitely not better |
| 07:57.00 | ramoz | ahah |
| 07:57.08 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: what keyboard layout are you using? |
| 07:57.10 | ramoz | can you encode with mirc? :O |
| 07:57.20 | Shirik | qwerty US I think... |
| 07:57.23 | [eu]gunder | so lightheaded should be working now with locale other than enUS/GB? |
| 07:57.23 | theoddone33 | so I need 3576 +dmg to make rank 4 mind flay free? |
| 07:57.25 | theoddone33 | ouch |
| 07:57.31 | cladhaire | it works with every localy |
| 07:57.33 | cladhaire | locale |
| 07:57.35 | cladhaire | yep |
| 07:57.37 | MentalPower | Shirik: UTF-8 |
| 07:57.43 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: and what key are you pressing? the one next to enter? |
| 07:57.50 | MentalPower | :P |
| 07:57.50 | Zhinjio | anyone have a good parser already written for php or perl for pulling SV file data into data structures in those languages? |
| 07:57.51 | [eu]gunder | great! (reinstalling lightheaded) |
| 07:57.57 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Yup |
| 07:58.02 | Shirik | and shift-quote |
| 07:58.04 | MentalPower | Shirik: use a better IRC client :) |
| 07:58.07 | Zhinjio | php preferred, I suppose. |
| 07:58.10 | Shirik | no, nbs-irc is god! |
| 07:58.14 | *** join/#wowace ramoz-mirc (i=ahoib@062249183164.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 07:58.15 | Zhinjio | but it doesn't matter which. I can do either |
| 07:58.21 | Shirik | I cant deal without my popups |
| 07:58.32 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i blame nbs-irc it must be reencoding them or something |
| 07:58.45 | Shirik | it never did in the past |
| 07:58.55 | MentalPower | Shirik: process of elimination |
| 07:59.00 | MentalPower | use a java IRC |
| 07:59.12 | MentalPower | http://norganna.org/irc |
| 07:59.31 | nevcairiel | i bet its some crazy vista thing beautifying text |
| 07:59.31 | MentalPower | then use vanilla mIRC |
| 07:59.42 | MentalPower | nevcairiel: negative I run vista |
| 07:59.42 | Arrowmaster | i see it as an R in my irssi on my other comp |
| 08:00.01 | ramoz-mirc | yeah, me too |
| 08:00.07 | ramoz-mirc | works fine in my mIRC tho |
| 08:00.15 | Shirik | MentalPower: |
| 08:00.25 | Shirik | os: Windows Vista Ultimate, SP1 (installed on November 2 2006) :: uptime: 1w 6d 1h 15s |
| 08:00.31 | MentalPower | oh, thanks :) |
| 08:00.42 | Arrowmaster | 2006? i smell upgrade |
| 08:00.45 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 08:00.50 | Shirik | That date isnt right... |
| 08:00.54 | MentalPower | lol |
| 08:01.07 | ramoz-mirc | bet it finds a old xp install |
| 08:01.21 | Shirik | shouldnt... I did a clean install because thats the whole reason I got vista |
| 08:01.26 | MentalPower | I don't think Shirik would do a non-clean install |
| 08:01.27 | Shirik | my raid array crashed and I couldnt find my xp cd |
| 08:02.10 | Shirik | anyway, I cant leave nbs-irc |
| 08:02.12 | Shirik | I need these: |
| 08:02.19 | Arrowmaster | ʼ |
| 08:02.28 | Arrowmaster | hmm no thats not it |
| 08:02.42 | nevcairiel | |
| 08:03.26 | Shirik | so nice to have these: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4fa22b4e4292fab6687ab4ef75cf3be8.jpg |
| 08:03.35 | Shirik | so I know whether or not its important to come back to irc |
| 08:03.41 | evl | wiw |
| 08:03.50 | evl | that has been a mac feature in all it's programs since like 1999 :D |
| 08:03.53 | VonhintenHOME` | So, is there an addon out there that can show all the possible debuffs that _should_ be on a mob during a raid, as a check-list of sorts, given the raid composition, talents, etc? |
| 08:03.57 | nevcairiel | i get a beepy sound when i get highlightes |
| 08:04.26 | Shirik | I get a beepy sound too, but then I would have to switch back |
| 08:04.37 | Shirik | evl: I will NEVER own a mac |
| 08:04.57 | nevcairiel | wee express edition |
| 08:04.59 | evl | Don't have to tell me that, Visual C++ :D |
| 08:05.10 | Arrowmaster | â |
| 08:05.13 | evl | but I cba going into the OS war, OSX won anyway! |
| 08:05.14 | evl | bbl |
| 08:05.16 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you love it so much but dont get a real version ? :P |
| 08:05.17 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I havent gotten my professional cd in :) |
| 08:05.19 | Arrowmaster | bah thats not even it wtf |
| 08:05.24 | Shirik | Actually I ordered it today |
| 08:05.36 | Shirik | I hadnt ordered it yet because I was debating whether or not to pick up an MSDN subscription with it |
| 08:05.43 | Arrowmaster | â |
| 08:05.53 | VonhintenHOME` | register int... |
| 08:05.56 | nevcairiel | i have the 2008 professional sitting on my disc somewhere, but i'm still on 2005 myself |
| 08:05.58 | Arrowmaster | ʼ |
| 08:06.04 | VonhintenHOME` | Does anything actually pay attention to register anymore... |
| 08:06.19 | Shirik | VonhintenHOME`: Im a computer engineer, I tend to think far too low level for my own good :p |
| 08:06.21 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: WTF CHARACTER IS THAT DAMNIT! |
| 08:06.29 | Shirik | I DONT KNOW IM SORRY PLEASE DONT KILL ME >< |
| 08:06.39 | Shirik | um |
| 08:06.41 | Shirik | here |
| 08:06.48 | nevcairiel | |
| 08:06.49 | Arrowmaster | Ĺ |
| 08:06.55 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Give me your quotes |
| 08:06.59 | Shirik | so I can copy-paste tehem |
| 08:07.02 | nevcairiel | |
| 08:07.04 | Arrowmaster | ' |
| 08:07.05 | Zeksie | `` ? |
| 08:07.07 | charon | Antiarc: sent you some patches. nothing really important, and not tested, but i hacked around a bit and it gave me an excuse to try git-format-patch |
| 08:07.21 | MentalPower | Shirik: did you get an msdn? |
| 08:07.22 | nevcairiel | í dont have that char on my keyboard |
| 08:07.29 | Shirik | MentalPower: Yeah |
| 08:07.33 | Shirik | It was only like $300 more |
| 08:07.41 | MentalPower | only, lol |
| 08:07.49 | Shirik | I dont consider that much :) |
| 08:07.50 | Arrowmaster | lol i think im in a different keyboard layout |
| 08:07.51 | nevcairiel | Hm i wonder if i can get a new MSDN Library for '08 |
| 08:08.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah if i hit alt-` it seems im in japanese layout |
| 08:09.31 | Shirik | lua> dq, sq = '', ''; print'DQ:' for x = 1, #dq do print(string.byte(string.sub(dq,x,x))) end print'SQ' for x = 1, #sq do print(string.byte(string.sub(sq,x,x))) end |
| 08:09.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: DQ:, 148, SQ, 146 |
| 08:09.32 | nevcairiel | ah there |
| 08:09.35 | nevcairiel | downloads |
| 08:09.37 | nevcairiel | MSDNAA is ftw |
| 08:09.38 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 08:09.43 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Try char 148 and 146? |
| 08:09.46 | MentalPower | nevcairiel: AGREED!!!! |
| 08:09.53 | Shirik | lua> print(string.char(148)) |
| 08:09.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: |
| 08:09.57 | cladhaire | MSDNAA is cool |
| 08:09.59 | cladhaire | but you need to run windows to get the isos |
| 08:10.01 | cladhaire | =( |
| 08:10.06 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:10.35 | VonhintenHOME` | I get everything I need from work, premier partner ftw :) |
| 08:10.39 | MentalPower | well, considering that most of the stuff is for windows, I don't see a problem |
| 08:10.51 | MentalPower | save VirtualPC |
| 08:11.06 | MentalPower | (old VPC, the one for PowerPC Macs) |
| 08:11.10 | nevcairiel | yeah stuff i need for work i get too |
| 08:11.10 | Arrowmaster | looking up 10010100 10010010 in unicode |
| 08:11.20 | nevcairiel | but some stuff i just like playing aorund with |
| 08:11.31 | nevcairiel | and that i get from university :P |
| 08:11.58 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/search.htm |
| 08:12.11 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: i already had that site open |
| 08:12.18 | MentalPower | cool |
| 08:12.40 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.len('â') |
| 08:12.40 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 3 |
| 08:12.54 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.byte('â',3) |
| 08:12.54 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 153 |
| 08:13.04 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.byte('â',1,3) |
| 08:13.04 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 226, 128, 153 |
| 08:13.09 | Arrowmaster | there thats better |
| 08:13.58 | Arrowmaster | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2019/index.htm |
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| 08:15.18 | Gibbonz|Work | was Grid broken a while ago? |
| 08:15.57 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 08:16.00 | nevcairiel | but fixed again |
| 08:16.17 | Nocts | I'm liking the new bongos3 config system |
| 08:16.26 | Gibbonz|Work | phew.. glad it wasnt just me then :) |
| 08:16.26 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, can I continue to use my quotes without you yelling at me now? :) |
| 08:16.33 | Nocts | nevcairiel: Is bartender still on dewdrop for config? |
| 08:16.34 | Arrowmaster | no they still look funny |
| 08:16.46 | nevcairiel | Nocts: bartender3 is, and wont change :) |
| 08:17.00 | Shirik | anyway VonhintenHOME`, to answer your question |
| 08:17.11 | Nocts | hm... decisions |
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| 08:18.10 | Shirik|AFK | I hate my internet |
| 08:18.20 | Shirik | (04:16:39) (+Shirik) anyway VonhintenHOME`, to answer your question |
| 08:18.22 | Shirik | (04:16:51) (+Shirik) that function is called extremely frequently and there is no reason to allocate memory for that variable, its a waste of space |
| 08:18.35 | Shirik | So I suggested to the compiler that it uses a register to keep track of the variable |
| 08:18.50 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah, I don't think any compiler these days pays attention to that request |
| 08:18.59 | VonhintenHOME` | But I could be wrong |
| 08:19.01 | Shirik | I think youre very wrong |
| 08:19.26 | Shirik | granted I usually work with compilers for embedded systems where they are pretty convinced the programmer knows what theyre doing |
| 08:19.43 | VonhintenHOME` | non-optimizing? |
| 08:19.45 | Shirik | honestly, I think in this case here, the compiler should have the intelligence to realize it should be a register variable even if its not recommended |
| 08:20.11 | Shirik | I use some non-optimizing compilers, yes |
| 08:20.27 | Shirik | specifically my VxWorks compiler |
| 08:22.25 | Nocts | action bar changes per class of target, possible? |
| 08:22.43 | nevcairiel | no |
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| 08:24.01 | CIA-39 | 03neotron 07dev * r68564 10MagicDKP/MagicDKP/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:24.01 | CIA-39 | MagicDKP: |
| 08:24.01 | CIA-39 | - Don't end active raid until the raid is disbanded. |
| 08:24.01 | CIA-39 | - Detect a dead boss on mouse over and either refresh the current event or log a new event if an event was not logged for the boss. |
| 08:24.01 | CIA-39 | - For multi-mob events track which uid's are dead instead of a simple counter. |
| 08:24.02 | mitch0 | btw, does omen2 have pullout bars yet? |
| 08:24.03 | CIA-39 | - caching data from GetItemInfo. |
| 08:24.07 | CIA-39 | - Other minor changes. |
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| 08:30.25 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68565 10AckisRecipeList/ (15 files in 3 dirs): |
| 08:30.25 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 08:30.25 | CIA-39 | - Removed unneeded function |
| 08:30.25 | CIA-39 | - Renamed recipe adding function so it's a bit clearer |
| 08:30.25 | CIA-39 | - Converted all beast training from BTS to SpellIDs |
| 08:30.25 | CIA-39 | - Added a few more cooking vendors |
| 08:30.27 | CIA-39 | - Converted some more blacksmithing to SpellIDs (please report any missing recipes with these, I don't have a BS to test on to make sure I don't type a SpellID) |
| 08:31.30 | charon | mitch0: umm, the file is there. ;) |
| 08:31.33 | CIA-39 | 03zeksie * r68566 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs.lua: |
| 08:31.33 | CIA-39 | ZOMGBuffs: |
| 08:31.33 | CIA-39 | - Chat filtering for !buff whisper command now uses ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter. |
| 08:31.33 | CIA-39 | - Fix table error when someone leaves raid when you're in combat. |
| 08:31.35 | charon | (it's currently empty) |
| 08:32.51 | nevcairiel | Antiarc focused his work on threat-2.0 mostly, now that its getting more stable, i bet he'll work on the GUI stuff more |
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| 08:40.35 | [SW]Dodge | is LSM3 compatible with LSM2 media-database? |
| 08:41.17 | ramoz | mm |
| 08:41.53 | [SW]Dodge | mm? |
| 08:42.15 | nevcairiel | mm! |
| 08:42.16 | nevcairiel | no its not |
| 08:42.24 | Stanzilla | SharedMedia is the database and it injects media into all the SharedMedia libs |
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| 08:42.45 | [SW]Dodge | ok thanks |
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| 08:43.30 | ramoz | i forgot a h in front of mm |
| 08:43.31 | ramoz | sorr |
| 08:43.31 | ramoz | y |
| 08:43.48 | ramoz | Anyway, can you merge combatlogs into WWS? |
| 08:43.55 | nevcairiel | not yet i think |
| 08:44.02 | nevcairiel | they're still working on the merger for 2.4 |
| 08:44.04 | nevcairiel | iirc |
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| 08:44.23 | ramoz | Doesn't seem to get info from people in the rift on Kalecgos |
| 08:44.49 | sica | hm, when I log the combatlog into /logs/, is there a way to change the name of the file somehow? I don't want this file to get bigger and bigger |
| 08:45.03 | Jaxon | sica: you could remember to cycle it. |
| 08:45.13 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan * r68567 10Postal/Modules/Express.lua: Postal: - Revert last commit for embedding textures in the fontstrings as it seems to cause word wrapping issues in the tooltip text. |
| 08:45.14 | nevcairiel | yeah you need to move the file after raid |
| 08:45.20 | nevcairiel | there is no way to specify a filename |
| 08:45.24 | sica | hm, okay |
| 08:45.41 | Jaxon | The OSX client used to overwrite, instead of append, so I had it lucky until 2.4 |
| 08:45.47 | Jaxon | Just don't crash/disconnect without remembering to back it up |
| 08:46.19 | Gibbonz|Work | Zeksie: <3 Its good to see X-Perl on wowace :) |
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| 08:46.40 | baer_ | wants 2.4.2 |
| 08:46.56 | baer_ | i really hate the missing "deaths" in recount. |
| 08:46.59 | sica | on OSX I did it with symlinks, but now I have to play on windows :( |
| 08:47.27 | baer_ | sica: winxp has similar things as symlinks. |
| 08:47.33 | baer_ | even vista. ;) |
| 08:48.00 | baer_ | works pretty fine, since i have my addons folder on a fileserver (samba) |
| 08:48.15 | sica | baer_: uhm, yeah, but I have no idea how to use it via cmd.exe |
| 08:48.36 | sica | to be honest, I didn't use any windows for 6 years :) |
| 08:49.02 | Zeksie | Gibbonz|Work :) |
| 08:50.10 | Jaxon | !ap 1600 |
| 08:50.11 | Xinhuan | 1600 rating gives 465(5s), 409(3s) and 353(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 08:50.15 | baer_ | sica: my m$ windows knowledge ain't that good, there's nothing similar to "ln" |
| 08:50.25 | baer_ | but you can make links via the file browser |
| 08:50.57 | baer_ | check your context menu in a folder. |
| 08:51.23 | sica | baer_: hmkay, on osx I started WoW via a tiny script that changed the symlink to combatlog-date.log before starting WoW |
| 08:51.26 | baer_ | got the german version here, but you'll find something linke "New" or "Create" and there are links below. |
| 08:51.38 | exor|zzz | is't that just a shortcut? |
| 08:51.48 | baer_ | sica: ah, you point to point directly towards a file? |
| 08:52.22 | sica | yep |
| 08:53.22 | sica | google says "mklink" on vista, very nice |
| 08:53.57 | baer_ | sica: # Microsoft Windows application shortcuts can only refer to a destination by an absolute path (starting from the root directory), whereas POSIX symbolic links can refer to destinations via a either an absolute or a relative path. The latter is useful if both the location and destination of the symbolic link share a common path prefix, but that prefix is not yet known when the symbolic link is created (e.g., in an archive file that can be unpacked an |
| 08:53.57 | baer_ | ywhere). |
| 08:54.05 | baer_ | sorry, dude. |
| 08:54.55 | charon | sica: i've hacked up a few lines of python to automatically split the combat log into files named YYYYMMDD.txt, then flush WoWCombatLog.txt, if you want that |
| 08:55.27 | sica | charon: that would be great |
| 08:57.23 | charon | http://vmp.ethz.ch/~thomas/cleancl.py |
| 08:57.37 | sica | thanks |
| 08:58.06 | charon | you need to be a bit careful though, it assumes it's running in the wowpath/Logs/ folder |
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| 08:58.58 | charon | other than that it should be safe, it truncates the WoWCombatLog.txt as the very last thing, so that won't happen if it throws an exception somewhere |
| 08:59.07 | Zeksie | is there an in-game theorycafty thing (not DrDamage) that'll do stuff like calculate AEP, and score items from it for comparison. kinda extension to RatingBuster.. |
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| 09:00.12 | Nocts | um, why is bongos3 only allowing one actionbar? |
| 09:00.13 | baer_ | charon: i'm curious, are you using python in windows? |
| 09:00.48 | sica | Zeksie: AEP? |
| 09:00.56 | charon | baer_: i'm running linux. but yes python is my language of choice and i've installed it on every windows system i used up until i quit having a win install for wow last fall |
| 09:01.01 | VonhintenHOME` | agility equivalency points |
| 09:01.05 | JY` | Zeksie: enhancer does that for chamies |
| 09:01.23 | VonhintenHOME` | That's EP though |
| 09:01.29 | baer_ | charon: interesting. |
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| 09:02.08 | [Endeavour] | can i create virtual frames using CreateFrame(...) in order to create templates? The Api says newFrame = CreateFrame("frameType", "frameName", parentFrame[, "inheritsFrame"]);, maybe a special frametype i don't know about yet? in an xml file i would set virtual=true |
| 09:02.15 | charon | baer_: how so? |
| 09:02.32 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68568 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:02.32 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 09:02.32 | CIA-39 | - More cooking vendors added wheee!!!! |
| 09:02.38 | dylanm | [Endeavour]: You can't. |
| 09:02.41 | sica | I would rather use OSX for playing WoW, but my raid uses teamspeak for communication and I need teamspeak-whispers |
| 09:02.57 | baer_ | charon: nearly same here. i switched to windows, after i bought a ibm-t61. the gpu-modules simply SUCK for ati cards. |
| 09:03.01 | [Endeavour] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:03.19 | MentalPower | [Endeavour]: not directly, no |
| 09:03.46 | charon | baer_: i bought a new t61p with an nvidia chip precisely to get decent performance on linux so i could ditch windows altogether |
| 09:03.48 | Firedancer | Nocts: go into config mode (mouseover minimap button to find right combo or type /bongos config) then alt-leftclick drag to make more bars |
| 09:03.51 | MentalPower | you can however make a function that returns a frame |
| 09:04.12 | MentalPower | frame with specific properties, much the same way XML templates work |
| 09:04.20 | charon | (and to get a dual core. make -j3!) |
| 09:04.39 | [Endeavour] | Good idea, MentalPower! Will do that. Tanks again for your help |
| 09:04.46 | Zeksie | mmm. need one for roguesies. |
| 09:05.51 | VonhintenHOME` | It'd be pretty easy to do Zeksie, but static AEP isn't so useful |
| 09:06.27 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan * r68569 10HandyNotes/: HandyNotes: Tag the Ace3 branch to trunk. |
| 09:06.33 | VonhintenHOME` | It'd need to evaluate your current gear and change the weightings |
| 09:06.40 | Zeksie | that's what i said :) |
| 09:06.41 | Kurax | wow finally grats Xinhuan |
| 09:06.48 | sica | Zeksie: I use pawn, you can assign different point values to gear stats and rate items with it |
| 09:06.53 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure if that worked |
| 09:07.10 | Kurax | Because the cpu problem? |
| 09:07.16 | [Endeavour] | MentalPower: your idea works perfectly, thanks again : ) |
| 09:07.31 | Zeksie | basically and extension to ratingbuster that would weigh up your aep with current gear, and with compared item. and score the items based off that |
| 09:07.35 | MentalPower | np, anytime |
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| 09:09.07 | VonhintenHOME` | There's a lot of complex models that make rating items difficult |
| 09:09.51 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan * r68570 10HandyNotes_FlightMasters/: HandyNotes_FlightMasters: Tag the Ace3 branch to trunk. |
| 09:09.51 | Zeksie | yeah, just wondered if someone had made the effort. could do with ingame version of that spreadsheet really |
| 09:10.09 | VonhintenHOME` | procs, set bonuses that change combat cycles, etc |
| 09:10.22 | VonhintenHOME` | Not that I'm aware of, but I'd like one |
| 09:10.54 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan * r68571 10HandyNotes_Mailboxes/: HandyNotes_Mailboxes: Tag the Ace3 branch to trunk. Needs localization. |
| 09:10.56 | *** join/#wowace Groktar (n=flak@c-71-195-127-129.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 09:11.08 | [SW]Dodge | nevcairiel: is there a way to add a text left next to another element in AceConfigDialog3? |
| 09:11.35 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan * r68572 10HandyNotes_Stables/: HandyNotes_Stables: Tag the Ace3 branch to trunk. |
| 09:12.16 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan * r68573 10HandyNotes_Directions/: HandyNotes_Directions: Tag the Ace3 branch to trunk. |
| 09:12.39 | Groktar | http://wowwebstats.com/1rofk335a6yoa?s=3665-4059 |
| 09:12.44 | Groktar | how about our wws for tonight |
| 09:12.59 | Groktar | 4 attempts in a row |
| 09:13.02 | Groktar | 1% on 3 of them |
| 09:13.12 | nevcairiel | man that sucks |
| 09:13.23 | VonhintenHOME` | ouch |
| 09:13.25 | Kalroth | Brut <3 |
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| 09:13.32 | VonhintenHOME` | my guild has the 1% curse too |
| 09:13.34 | Groktar | who was saying imperial was bad yesterday? |
| 09:13.38 | Groktar | i bitched at him on vent |
| 09:13.45 | Groktar | and now he's about 2.2k on all of those tries |
| 09:13.45 | Jaxon | Avrsion flasked! Looks like it wore off and he didn't use another though |
| 09:13.46 | Groktar | oO |
| 09:13.54 | Groktar | avrsion flasked twice on the last one |
| 09:13.54 | Antiarc | cladhaire: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/FlightPlan.zip - crude, but it shows what I'm thinking about |
| 09:14.05 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.12 | Kalroth | Groktar: at least you hit enrage pretty easily with 7 healers |
| 09:14.16 | Groktar | ya |
| 09:14.24 | Groktar | and look at how many people were underperforming |
| 09:14.25 | cladhaire | Antiarc: okay, i'll take a look in a moment |
| 09:14.44 | Kalroth | Groktar: boot the second kitty and get a rogue instead :p |
| 09:14.47 | Antiarc | No rush |
| 09:15.04 | Groktar | gamji is our second best rogue |
| 09:15.16 | Groktar | a 1500dps kitty > 1600dps rogue, imo |
| 09:15.17 | Kalroth | .. |
| 09:15.33 | [SW]Dodge | nevcairiel: is there a way to add a text left next to another element in AceConfigDialog3? |
| 09:15.35 | Kalroth | kitty is 1360 dps on #6 though, but sure |
| 09:15.46 | Groktar | 1500 even on 8 |
| 09:15.54 | Kalroth | ah yes |
| 09:15.54 | cladhaire | Antiarc: interesting.. that could be fun :P |
| 09:16.38 | Groktar | if menelas was destro |
| 09:16.40 | Groktar | he would be dead |
| 09:16.41 | Groktar | :( |
| 09:17.00 | VonhintenHOME` | Why is your one rogue spanking the 2nd rogue |
| 09:17.08 | Kalroth | Groktar: Your arms warrior is doing very well |
| 09:17.09 | Antiarc | Yeah. I envision it being used while in flight (hence FlightPlan!) |
| 09:17.14 | nevcairiel | [SW]Dodge: sure, use the description widget with width="half" or something |
| 09:17.17 | Antiarc | But the idea's almost flight instruments or somethign. I dunno. |
| 09:17.19 | Groktar | whoa |
| 09:17.26 | Groktar | i thought he was fury tonight |
| 09:17.30 | Groktar | he's undergeared, too |
| 09:17.30 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r68574 10HandyNotes/: HandyNotes: Delete Ace3 branch |
| 09:17.30 | [SW]Dodge | nevcairiel: thanks :) |
| 09:17.46 | Kalroth | 1600 dps with arms and being BF bitch is very respectable |
| 09:17.58 | Groktar | ya |
| 09:18.20 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r68575 10HandyNotes_Directions/: HandyNotes_Directions: Delete Ace3 branch so that author updates to trunk. |
| 09:18.31 | Primer | Flightplan? |
| 09:18.37 | Antiarc | You could use a smaller inverted arc underneath to represent that you're going the wrong way. |
| 09:18.53 | Primer | I wonder if it's anything like FlightHUD |
| 09:19.01 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r68576 10HandyNotes_FlightMasters/: HandyNotes_FlightMasters: Delete Ace3 branch. |
| 09:19.13 | Antiarc | FlightPlan isn't really much of anything right now :P |
| 09:19.24 | Primer | What's the purpose? |
| 09:19.28 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r68577 10HandyNotes_Mailboxes/: HandyNotes_Mailboxes: Delete Ace3 branch so that author updates to trunk. |
| 09:19.43 | Groktar | i think i'll make wubs a red belt of battle |
| 09:19.47 | VonhintenHOME` | whoa, he's mutilate spec <cringe> |
| 09:19.53 | CIA-39 | 03xinhuan 07Ace3 * r68578 10HandyNotes_Stables/: HandyNotes_Stables: Delete Ace3 branch so that author updates to trunk. |
| 09:19.57 | Antiarc | The original intent was the ability to make a list of waypoints you could choose from a list |
| 09:20.07 | Antiarc | So you could pull up commong destinations without fumbling through the map |
| 09:20.22 | Antiarc | But then I started thinking about the arrow, and it always kind of annoys me |
| 09:20.38 | Antiarc | Because it has a fudge factor of a few degrees and it drives me nuts :P |
| 09:21.12 | Jaxon | You too? |
| 09:21.14 | Xinhuan | what's flightplan? i wasn't reading |
| 09:21.24 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: Nothing much of anything :P |
| 09:21.33 | nevcairiel | simple proof of concept |
| 09:21.35 | Xinhuan | what's it supposed to do then? |
| 09:22.03 | Antiarc | The original thought was easier common waypoint access |
| 09:22.13 | Antiarc | But I was throwing around some ideas about directional indicators |
| 09:22.47 | Primer | I'm hoping to add waypoints to FlightHUD some day |
| 09:23.21 | Primer | where you'd see a dot in the HUD with text info |
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| 09:23.59 | Primer | the info would be like cartographer's waypoints, but the dot and text would move across the HUD, and show an arrow once the bearing was "off screen" |
| 09:24.10 | Primer | still haven't written it though |
| 09:25.18 | charon | argh. commercial software should die in a fire. the one time i actually spend money, on maple, printing is broken and now the help system is gone too. ARGH |
| 09:26.08 | [Liquidor] | Arrowmaster, is TopScoreFu working again? |
| 09:26.14 | [Liquidor] | Missed it so much |
| 09:26.21 | [eu]gunder | yes it is |
| 09:26.29 | Dranor | hm... wait, is there something that could resemble to the old SWG waypoint system? |
| 09:26.40 | Cheads | [Liquidor] he just updated topscore =) |
| 09:27.25 | [Liquidor] | Great |
| 09:28.26 | tz8 | hmmm |
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| 09:29.50 | Antiarc | Dranor: I've actually been thinking about how you might simulate those sorts of 3d waypoints using a screen projection transformation |
| 09:30.05 | Antiarc | It wouldn't be very good, but you might be able to get something workable. |
| 09:30.12 | Antiarc | Actually, no, you wouldn't be able to |
| 09:30.18 | Antiarc | Since you don't have camera rotation information |
| 09:30.56 | Primer | if you make it, make it generic...so I can steal the code :) |
| 09:31.23 | Primer | unlike cartographer's waypoints...wasn't going to be easy to steal, so I...didn't |
| 09:32.33 | Primer | cartographer implemented a sort of queue, as to add several waypoints. I just wanted to keep it simple at first |
| 09:32.42 | Primer | just one waypoint |
| 09:33.03 | CIA-39 | 03snago * r68579 10IHML/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:33.03 | CIA-39 | IHML: |
| 09:33.03 | CIA-39 | - Added macros for "Know Your Ley Lines". |
| 09:33.17 | Primer | ahhh about time! |
| 09:34.12 | _rane | i need my addon to play a sound effect, preferably some mp3 or wav in the addon's directory, is that possible? |
| 09:34.51 | Xinhuan | PlaySoundFile("Interface\\AddOns\\MyAddon\\MyAddon.mp3") |
| 09:34.58 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68580 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:34.58 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 09:34.58 | CIA-39 | - More cooking vendors and conversions |
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| 09:35.30 | CIA-39 | 03pettigrow * r68581 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Felmyst.lua: BigWigs: Sunwell/Felmyst: frFR Update |
| 09:35.51 | VonhintenHOME` | What's the overhead for localization? |
| 09:35.57 | _rane | Xinhuan: thanks |
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| 09:36.39 | Cheads | handynotes in trunk.. neat =) |
| 09:36.42 | Xinhuan | minimal |
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| 09:39.36 | Antiarc | Fun fact: PlaySoundFile ignores blizzard's sound settings |
| 09:39.42 | Antiarc | It'll play even if the user turns sound off :V |
| 09:39.55 | VonhintenHOME` | does it at least play async? |
| 09:43.46 | Kurax | Xinhuan: HandyNotes_Mailboxes doesnt have localization table yet |
| 09:44.03 | CIA-39 | 03jerry * r68582 10Talented/ (core.lua matrix.lua): Talented: :CreateTalentMatrix() must return true when asked to create the class it already has done. |
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| 09:44.29 | CIA-39 | 03antiarc * r68583 10Deadened/Deadened.lua: Deadened: Add RaidWarning announce option |
| 09:44.49 | Xinhuan | i know kurax |
| 09:45.02 | Xinhuan | that's why i said "needs localization" lol! |
| 09:45.05 | Antiarc | Zeksie: You about? |
| 09:45.23 | Zeksie | ye |
| 09:45.35 | Grum | <Antiarc> Since you don't have camera rotation information <-- you do have that btw but in a hacky way |
| 09:45.42 | Antiarc | Oh? |
| 09:45.54 | nevcairiel | the way you can get that sucks |
| 09:45.55 | Grum | you can 'save' the camera point and then read the settings for the one you saved |
| 09:46.00 | Grum | yup |
| 09:46.03 | Grum | its kinda hackish |
| 09:46.29 | Grum | there should be some code on svn, lets see |
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| 09:47.30 | CIA-39 | 03quezacolt * r68584 10Checklist2/ (Applet.xml Core.lua): Checklist2: Many minor miscellaneous modifications. |
| 09:49.10 | Antiarc | Zeksie: I've had a user request a Deadened module for XPerl |
| 09:49.22 | Antiarc | But I'm not seeing unit spellcast event handlers in any of the obvious locations |
| 09:49.24 | Antiarc | Where should I look? |
| 09:49.34 | Zeksie | XPerl_ArcaneBar |
| 09:49.41 | Antiarc | ah, thanks |
| 09:49.52 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68585 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:49.52 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 09:49.52 | CIA-39 | - Remaining cooking vendors have been added. GFG |
| 09:50.19 | MentalPower | Antiarc: PlaySoundFile(), did you check the built-in sounds "igSuchAndSuch" for that behavior? |
| 09:50.37 | Antiarc | MentalPower: All I know is that Omen's warnings play even when I have sound toggled off :P |
| 09:52.13 | Grum | Antiarc: http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/FlightHUD/FlightHUD.lua?r=67725#l611 |
| 09:52.17 | VonhintenHOME` | I feel like this Heroism buff that Shard of Contempt procs is resetting my swing timer |
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| 09:52.55 | NivFreak | so /combatlog it |
| 09:53.00 | NivFreak | or watch quartz |
| 09:53.31 | Grum | abusing: 'SaveView(x)' and then 'GetCVAR(cameraPitch${A+X})' magic |
| 09:53.44 | Grum | +-1 somewhere ;D |
| 09:53.45 | Zeksie | don't mention it to anyone VonhintenHOME`, else it'll draw attention to the item and it'll get nerfed.. |
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| 09:54.11 | Antiarc | I love the Shard so hard |
| 09:54.19 | Zeksie | me too :) |
| 09:54.19 | Antiarc | Human sword rogue + shard = sup expertise cap. |
| 09:55.06 | VonhintenHOME` | I just got mine today |
| 09:55.15 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm dwarf though |
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| 09:55.28 | sica | o.O |
| 09:55.31 | VonhintenHOME` | As sexy as I am, I wish I were a human... that sword bonus is sweet |
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| 09:55.34 | Stanzilla | ewww dwarf :O |
| 09:55.53 | VonhintenHOME` | But, a lot of folks are gonna be using those new fists anyway, so |
| 09:55.58 | VonhintenHOME` | bonus lost in a lot of cases |
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| 09:58.24 | Grum | new fists? |
| 09:58.49 | VonhintenHOME` | badge fists |
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| 10:00.18 | Grum | man that is easy high-end weapons >< |
| 10:01.03 | VonhintenHOME` | Yep, and the chest, and the pants, and the belt, and the ring... |
| 10:01.43 | Grum | there are only 2 fistweapons with a high ilvl O.o |
| 10:02.03 | ramoz | hrmf |
| 10:02.08 | Antiarc | Anyone else experience horrible framerate lag for the frst 30 sec or so logging in? |
| 10:02.10 | ramoz | all the badgegear is shitty =( |
| 10:02.24 | quiesense | I have a horrible framerate full time |
| 10:02.30 | Jaxon | Works pretty good for my alt. |
| 10:02.44 | sica | it's nice for offspecs, I can finally get a decent healing-gear on my shadowpriest |
| 10:02.45 | VonhintenHOME` | Well, I'm not in tier 6, so a lot of it is upgrades for me |
| 10:02.53 | Grum | Antiarc: i had some wonky framerates last night but it was after a raid and portal to shatt |
| 10:03.08 | Grum | the thing is, you get about t5.5 gear from badges |
| 10:03.13 | Grum | which is just a bit too much |
| 10:04.01 | ramoz | nerf imo |
| 10:04.10 | VonhintenHOME` | depends what your idea of the goal is. My guild has about 15 of 25 people that are of the quality you would see in a sunwell raiding guild |
| 10:04.20 | VonhintenHOME` | but the rest are casual, not-very-good raiders |
| 10:04.40 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68586 10AckisRecipeList/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:04.40 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 10:04.40 | CIA-39 | - Removed all references to BTS in Cooking DB... 1 down, 12 million to go. |
| 10:04.42 | ramoz | i mean, its OK to gear up people who run heroics, but making gear better then people that's running SSC/TK |
| 10:04.45 | ramoz | fail |
| 10:04.56 | iKON | that is how 98% of guilds are |
| 10:05.04 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: if you have 15/25 you should be in t6 atm |
| 10:05.06 | Grum | so where are you? |
| 10:05.25 | Cheads | one of the other 10 =) |
| 10:05.27 | VonhintenHOME` | We just downed rage, and got a first look at Anatheron |
| 10:05.44 | Grum | did you actually kill Kael and Vashj? |
| 10:06.17 | VonhintenHOME` | No, we had done all of TK and SSC minus kael and vash |
| 10:06.22 | Grum | or did you get '2.4-attuned' |
| 10:06.29 | VonhintenHOME` | exactly |
| 10:06.30 | tz8 | damn, we have 8/25... we start Gruul today :( |
| 10:06.41 | tz8 | feeling terrible now |
| 10:06.52 | Grum | ah dont be |
| 10:07.05 | Grum | i think we have 29/35 orso |
| 10:07.10 | Grum | and even that is not good enough hehe |
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| 10:07.44 | VonhintenHOME` | Our good players can do a ZA bear mount run with time to spare |
| 10:07.55 | VonhintenHOME` | Our worst players can barely do a tough heroic |
| 10:08.02 | Stanzilla | sounds good :P |
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| 10:08.27 | VonhintenHOME` | But, we're a family guild, not a hardcore raiding guild |
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| 10:08.45 | Cheads | your worst players probably have worse gear too =) |
| 10:09.00 | tz8 | we're also no raiding guild, but that should exclude playing to win :( |
| 10:09.16 | tz8 | too many ppl just playing for fun, not to win |
| 10:09.30 | VonhintenHOME` | Just hoping the gear upgrades to our core players will let us carry dead weight a little further in progression |
| 10:09.47 | VonhintenHOME` | like it was back in the BWL days |
| 10:10.02 | VonhintenHOME` | Could bring 20 good players, and tag 20 crap players along |
| 10:10.10 | Cheads | yeah, was better for semi-casual guilds with room for more slackers |
| 10:10.15 | tz8 | and the worst players mainly are the luckiest to get new equip... we have a 55 year old rogue with a stiff hand(!) who makes about 350 dps with a full kara equipped char :( |
| 10:10.26 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:10.33 | Cheads | uh-huh =) |
| 10:10.49 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah, we have one of those rogues too... I usually double his DPS, and he's in equivalent gear |
| 10:11.20 | VonhintenHOME` | His major problem is Rule #1 - A dead rogue doesn't do any DPS. |
| 10:11.30 | Cheads | haha |
| 10:11.44 | Cheads | suicidal tendensies? =) |
| 10:11.52 | Bruners | what about talking those players and discuss what they can do to improve themselfes? |
| 10:11.57 | VonhintenHOME` | Just dumb... |
| 10:12.02 | [eu]gunder | a carpet-rogue ^^ |
| 10:12.07 | VonhintenHOME` | LOL, trust me, some people you just can't help |
| 10:12.24 | tz8 | i love suicidal idiots in my raid... ignoring omen and just seeing recount infight |
| 10:12.34 | Cheads | I know... used to be warlock class leader before I got kid |
| 10:12.38 | tz8 | i want a force hide of recount and such addons |
| 10:12.58 | VonhintenHOME` | It took me 3 hours of convincing this guy that doing sinister strike with daggers was a bad idea |
| 10:13.21 | [eu]gunder | raiding with dagger is a bad idea |
| 10:13.40 | CIA-39 | 03zeksie * r68587 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_SelfBuffs.lua: |
| 10:13.40 | CIA-39 | ZOMGBuffs: |
| 10:13.40 | CIA-39 | - Will no longer check existing enchants on weapons for Shamans, since the enchant names do not match the spells. |
| 10:13.50 | VonhintenHOME` | He had better swords, but they weren't enchanted, so he assumed they were worse DPS |
| 10:13.56 | tz8 | [eu]gunder: 'but it's stylish' |
| 10:14.30 | tz8 | we also have too many women in our raid... they don't take equipment 'because it löooks terrible' |
| 10:14.41 | tz8 | sorry for umlaut |
| 10:14.55 | VonhintenHOME` | Our best resto druid is a female |
| 10:15.00 | tz8 | ours too |
| 10:15.12 | tz8 | equipoment color doesn't matter in treeform ^^ |
| 10:15.16 | Grum | <VonhintenHOME`> Our good players can do a ZA bear mount run with time to spare <-- that is quite good in t5 gear i have to say |
| 10:15.26 | sica | we don't have any male druids at all |
| 10:15.50 | tz8 | even my druid is female... i can#T stand male nightelves... |
| 10:16.45 | [eu]gunder | my druid is a male... Tauren (I agree that nelf males look like s...) |
| 10:17.02 | VonhintenHOME` | Grum, yeah, it's pretty good, pally tank and feral tank, resto druid and shaman, holy pally, rogue (me), hunter, enh shammy, shadow priest and warlock, all high quality players |
| 10:17.07 | Bruners | sweet female cows |
| 10:17.10 | VonhintenHOME` | All in barely T5 |
| 10:17.22 | Grum | what? 3 healers? |
| 10:17.27 | VonhintenHOME` | yep |
| 10:17.29 | Grum | hehe |
| 10:17.29 | sica | o.O |
| 10:17.38 | Grum | how can you run ZA with 3 healers =D |
| 10:17.45 | Groktar | heh, our enhance shaman is getting demoted |
| 10:17.51 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68588 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Tailor.lua: |
| 10:17.51 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 10:17.51 | CIA-39 | - Tailoring update |
| 10:17.51 | CIA-39 | - Some tailoring conversion to SpellIDs |
| 10:17.54 | Groktar | someone transferred their shaman alt to another account |
| 10:18.02 | VonhintenHOME` | The resto shammy will often will toss lightning when he's not chain healing |
| 10:18.05 | sica | okay, we suck, we never managed to do a bear-run with 3 healers |
| 10:18.06 | Groktar | and we're going to gear it up |
| 10:18.34 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: how much time did you have spare? seconds or minutes? |
| 10:18.43 | tz8 | we're failing at the third boss... a bear run is far out of scope |
| 10:18.47 | VonhintenHOME` | 20 seconds on our best run |
| 10:19.12 | Zeksie | had about 5 mins left last run |
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| 10:19.21 | CIA-39 | 03mok * r68589 10xcRaid/xcRaid.lua: |
| 10:19.21 | CIA-39 | xcRaid: |
| 10:19.21 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.23 | Bruners | nobody in my guild wants to do ZA >< |
| 10:19.38 | VonhintenHOME` | 5 minutes left on a bear run? that's some pretty high end DPS |
| 10:20.03 | sica | I'm sick of the instance as well, I go there only for the trinket from malacrass and I never saw it drop |
| 10:20.05 | Zeksie | everyone was spot on with assisting etc. no scout fuckups, patrols moved at right time. was just perfect |
| 10:20.06 | Grum | we've done a 'perfect run' with 9 minutes left |
| 10:20.23 | VonhintenHOME` | damn, nice |
| 10:20.28 | Grum | and a 'OMG WE WIPE @ GAUNTLET' but have 3 minutes left @ end after it |
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| 10:20.45 | VonhintenHOME` | gauntlet wipes don't hurt too bad, it's so close |
| 10:20.50 | Grum | you waste 3-4 minutes |
| 10:21.03 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, but you waste more if shit goes bad at the scouts |
| 10:21.07 | Grum | a mage instantly died on the pull |
| 10:21.28 | Grum | we pull the first 4 mobs and the consecration tick missed orso |
| 10:21.33 | Grum | mage does aoe .. pats dead :D |
| 10:22.03 | Grum | the biggest timegain is on the way to the 4th boss |
| 10:22.41 | VonhintenHOME` | lynx? |
| 10:22.57 | Grum | from boss3 to the first 5-elite-kitty-pack you normally kill 2 patrols, 1elite+cubs @tree, skip patrol, kill trainer+cubs (near repair), kill croc patrol |
| 10:23.10 | VonhintenHOME` | right |
| 10:23.21 | Grum | but you can also do: patrol+1lite+cubs |
| 10:23.23 | Grum | and skip the rest ;) |
| 10:23.33 | VonhintenHOME` | how? |
| 10:23.45 | Grum | i'll explain after lunch, :D (going for a sandwitch) |
| 10:24.20 | VonhintenHOME` | That could add 2 or 3 minutes to our run |
| 10:24.28 | tz8 | bad cliffhanger... |
| 10:30.31 | Groktar | uh |
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| 10:30.40 | Groktar | so i think i found out why our elemental shaman is bad |
| 10:30.41 | Groktar | http://wowwebstats.com/1rofk335a6yoa?s=6379-6770&a=7 |
| 10:30.43 | Groktar | Swing |
| 10:30.47 | Groktar | 17 hits |
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| 10:31.10 | Groktar | and 1 chain lightning |
| 10:31.43 | VonhintenHOME` | hitting mana battery? |
| 10:31.47 | CIA-39 | 03nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r68590 10Bartender4/Bartender4/ (6 files): |
| 10:31.47 | CIA-39 | Bartender4: |
| 10:31.47 | CIA-39 | - build the config on demand (might break stuff, srsly) |
| 10:31.47 | CIA-39 | - add options for configuring the modifier switching |
| 10:32.34 | CIA-39 | 03antiarc * r68591 10Deadened/ (Deadened.lua Deadened.toc Modules/XPerl.lua Modules/agUF.lua): |
| 10:32.34 | CIA-39 | Deadened: |
| 10:32.34 | CIA-39 | - Fix spell toggles |
| 10:32.34 | CIA-39 | - Add XPerl Module |
| 10:32.34 | CIA-39 | - Fix agUF module (hopefully) |
| 10:33.14 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68592 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Tailor.lua: |
| 10:33.14 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 10:33.15 | CIA-39 | - Another Tailoring update |
| 10:33.15 | CIA-39 | - All Tailoring Trainer recipes converted to SpellID |
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| 10:34.33 | AbsoRayne | Bartender4 eh? |
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| 10:40.05 | evl | Performance monitoring addon that doesnt destroy performance? |
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| 10:45.00 | VonhintenHOME` | PerformanceFu isn't too bad, if you don't display too many addons |
| 10:45.22 | VonhintenHOME` | But, you probably shouldn't have it active all the time, but for troubleshooting |
| 10:45.35 | Bruners | its still memory time |
| 10:48.41 | Grum | back :) |
| 10:48.57 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: after the 3rd boss you have the patrol (2 guys) to kill |
| 10:49.19 | Grum | then instead of killing the pack at the tree (1 elite+7-8 kittahs) |
| 10:49.39 | VonhintenHOME` | k |
| 10:49.46 | Grum | humz how to explain where to walk |
| 10:49.56 | VonhintenHOME` | heh, is its a bug in the geometry? |
| 10:49.58 | Grum | no |
| 10:50.03 | digmouse | Performance addon? I use SLDataText |
| 10:50.03 | Delorala | u mean jumping through the windows?` |
| 10:50.08 | Grum | yeah |
| 10:50.12 | Delorala | ok, easy |
| 10:50.26 | sica | jumping through the windows? o.O |
| 10:50.32 | Grum | the thing is, most people hug the wall left of the tree (with the pack) |
| 10:50.36 | Delorala | you come from the third boss. then to the right there is the group of cats^^ |
| 10:50.39 | Grum | but we walk behind that wall |
| 10:50.46 | Delorala | u dont do them but jump to the leftern side on the wall |
| 10:50.52 | Delorala | have to do the group there |
| 10:50.54 | Grum | yeah |
| 10:51.02 | Grum | and stand behind the wall (other side has the kittahs) |
| 10:51.04 | Delorala | then there is a small hut, u jump through its window |
| 10:51.09 | Grum | yup |
| 10:51.10 | Delorala | out to the other window |
| 10:51.16 | Grum | you have to kill 1 elite+cubs pack to get there |
| 10:51.18 | Grum | and dodge the patrol |
| 10:51.22 | Delorala | and in again through the window of hut #2 |
| 10:51.34 | Grum | and then you are at the exit of boss4 |
| 10:51.42 | Delorala | and out again^^ then u are at the stairs of the door that opens after lynx boss |
| 10:51.51 | Grum | and you skipped 1 pack |
| 10:52.03 | VonhintenHOME` | ok |
| 10:52.11 | Grum | then shaman -> waterwalk |
| 10:52.14 | Grum | and skip the patrol |
| 10:52.27 | Grum | just run straight ahead from the boss and watch the left side for the patrol |
| 10:52.27 | Delorala | its pretty easy actually, BUT is it worth it? o dont know, if pat walks wrong you could actually lose time |
| 10:52.36 | VonhintenHOME` | the croc patrol? |
| 10:52.40 | Grum | yeah the crocs |
| 10:52.51 | Grum | it is worth it |
| 10:52.56 | Delorala | ok |
| 10:52.58 | Grum | the pack you have to wait for, you have to wait for anyhow |
| 10:52.59 | VonhintenHOME` | you still kill the kitty packs after the patrol? |
| 10:53.02 | Grum | because afyer you kill the cube |
| 10:53.03 | Delorala | walterwalking! dude never heared this |
| 10:53.07 | Grum | *cubs (first pack) |
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| 10:53.30 | Grum | you need to wait till you can skip that patrol |
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| 10:53.34 | Grum | (or kill it and waste another minute) |
| 10:53.37 | Delorala | right |
| 10:53.43 | Grum | but that patrol is a bitch to dodge |
| 10:53.54 | Grum | it spends 60% of its time being pullable from that position |
| 10:54.01 | Grum | and the nyou have to kill the pack in front of the repair-house as well |
| 10:54.05 | VonhintenHOME` | hmm, is there a youtube vid of this? |
| 10:54.08 | Grum | which has 2 elites+10cubs |
| 10:54.20 | Grum | not sure VonhintenHOME`, i think we frapsed our 9min spare fun |
| 10:54.22 | Grum | *run |
| 10:54.29 | VonhintenHOME` | hosted? |
| 10:54.31 | Delorala | last time we tried it for the first time ("i heard of a freand that sais a friend did ..") and people were to dumb du jump through the windows, having us wait for the pat 2 times :D |
| 10:54.32 | Grum | not sure |
| 10:54.36 | Grum | the guy was going to upload it |
| 10:54.41 | Delorala | but we werent in time, just for testing |
| 10:54.56 | Grum | we did it the first time on a failed run (wiped @ first boss) |
| 10:55.11 | Grum | also for the first boss, the first timer always seems off |
| 10:55.28 | Delorala | grum, i'm actually a pally tank, so those groups dont realy take much time |
| 10:55.32 | Grum | if you crank up your ambience sound you hear a clear thunder 5 seconds before the storm-ability |
| 10:55.34 | Delorala | we usually run 2 locks |
| 10:55.45 | Delorala | boom dead |
| 10:55.54 | Grum | Delorala: not much time indeed but you loose the ability to fuck up somewhere |
| 10:56.01 | Delorala | =) |
| 10:56.11 | Grum | all in all you save 2-3 minutes with it |
| 10:56.20 | Grum | which is enough time to kill the 4th boss in |
| 10:56.25 | VonhintenHOME` | So how many mobs do you end up skipping in this way? |
| 10:56.27 | Delorala | right |
| 10:56.37 | Grum | normal run (after 3rd boss) |
| 10:57.13 | Grum | patrol (2mob), elite+cubs, dodge patrol, 2elite+cubsx2, elite+crocx2 |
| 10:57.19 | Grum | shorter: |
| 10:57.39 | Grum | patrol (2mob), elite+cubs (the left side one that you normally skip), dodge patrol, waterwalk |
| 10:58.05 | Grum | you skip 3 elites, 2 crocs and ~8kittehs |
| 10:58.22 | Grum | 2-3 minutes orso |
| 10:58.58 | Grum | if you ahve 2 mages the rest also becomes easy, just keep pulling the elite-kitteh packs and sheep the 2 trainers |
| 10:59.10 | Grum | and whatever you do, never leave them uncc-d, even fearing > * |
| 10:59.16 | Grum | stupid MC+sleep |
| 10:59.44 | Grum | when you pull the pack up the stairs @ boss4, have your huntard eyeball where the patrol is |
| 10:59.45 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, we don't have any mages.. we usually pull the trainers+1 pack, then a pack alone |
| 11:00.06 | Grum | and just pull it out the first second it passes in front of the door |
| 11:00.25 | Grum | its cycle is 2 minutes orso .. and it autopulls when you stand @ the dooropening (cause one of our failed runs ^^) |
| 11:00.29 | Grum | so we just pull it outside completely |
| 11:00.44 | VonhintenHOME` | That's an idea |
| 11:00.58 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: we run with 2 healers so 1sleep, 1controlled is liek bad |
| 11:01.01 | CIA-39 | 03kunda * r68593 10GridStatusMissingBuffs/ (GridStatusMissingBuffs.lua GridStatusMissingBuffs.toc): GridStatusMissingBuffs: toc interface 20400 & fix ShadowProtection icon string - thanks dyree |
| 11:01.04 | Grum | both for mana and for speed :) |
| 11:01.11 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah |
| 11:01.21 | Grum | oh |
| 11:01.30 | Grum | and on the dragonhawk boss, start AOE the second the first thing hatches |
| 11:01.36 | Grum | so you can clear both sides with just 2 adds |
| 11:01.41 | Grum | and then nuke the boss |
| 11:01.56 | Grum | (aka clear 1 side at a time) |
| 11:01.59 | VonhintenHOME` | We don't have that kinda aoe DPS |
| 11:02.04 | Grum | you said you have 2 locks |
| 11:02.07 | Grum | that is enough |
| 11:02.11 | VonhintenHOME` | nah, I have 1 lock |
| 11:02.24 | VonhintenHOME` | We usually get teleported with about 10 birds half dead |
| 11:02.25 | Grum | we mostly take casters over melee |
| 11:02.58 | Grum | we normally kill the dude before he enrages himself (which isnt really an enrage anyhow ^^) |
| 11:03.11 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, we definitely don't have that kinda dps |
| 11:03.15 | Grum | and when he is at 50% orso all birds are dead |
| 11:03.30 | ben_ | One side at a time? Woah |
| 11:04.01 | Delorala | was me with 2 locks^^ |
| 11:04.03 | Grum | just add lots of aoe while they spawn |
| 11:04.09 | sica | ezmode is, feral druid as tank on the boss, paladin tank for the birds |
| 11:04.09 | VonhintenHOME` | you have DPS on the boss through the whole thing and just let the locks take out the birds? |
| 11:04.14 | Grum | we had mage+mage+lock |
| 11:04.26 | Delorala | and me as prot pala, its easier, but sometimes i fuck up :D this teleport really messes things up sometime |
| 11:04.26 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: no, everyone nukes the boss |
| 11:04.42 | VonhintenHOME` | How do you keep the pally tank up? |
| 11:04.44 | Grum | then when we get an add, the aoe takes care of all of the eggs on 1 side (with paladin tank helping) |
| 11:04.51 | Grum | he can hardly get aggro heheh |
| 11:05.06 | Delorala | ^^ |
| 11:05.12 | Grum | i toss a hot+pom (pom for some aggro kek) and a shaman heals him usually |
| 11:05.15 | Grum | kinda depends where we stand |
| 11:05.26 | Grum | but he hardly gets hit |
| 11:05.35 | Grum | (and he is in t5 i think) |
| 11:05.40 | Delorala | thos birds are fuckers, they somehow seem to ignore consecrate fairly often. at least first tick... |
| 11:05.56 | Grum | yeah they do, they aggro on anything (and the healers have quite some aggro on em @ start) |
| 11:06.06 | Delorala | whats pom in german :D |
| 11:06.08 | Grum | because of the 5k-firedmg cones the boss do |
| 11:06.22 | Grum | Prayer of Mending (1800 healing, heals and jumps on hit, does it 5 times) |
| 11:06.24 | VonhintenHOME` | We drag the boss to one platform, kill a hatcher, let him spawn the side, clean up remainder during teleport, dps him for a moment, then let both hatcher open other side, same deal |
| 11:06.26 | Delorala | kk |
| 11:06.27 | Grum | (about 1800 btw) |
| 11:06.34 | Grum | but it counts as a selfheal |
| 11:06.39 | Grum | so the tank gets a bit more aggro by it |
| 11:06.42 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 11:06.44 | sag_ich_nicht | son of a bitch |
| 11:06.55 | Grum | drag the boss? |
| 11:06.59 | Grum | just have him stand @ center? |
| 11:07.09 | Delorala | u drag him to the eggs? |
| 11:07.14 | Grum | that seems a waste |
| 11:07.18 | sag_ich_nicht | there's a contract advertised here... |
| 11:07.19 | VonhintenHOME` | we drag him away so folks don't get flamed... |
| 11:07.20 | Delorala | isnt then everybode lined up for flamebreath^^ |
| 11:07.20 | Grum | if you get teleported you loose dps |
| 11:07.27 | sag_ich_nicht | configure 1000 cisco routers remotely in 2 weeks |
| 11:07.28 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: you know how the flaming works? |
| 11:07.28 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
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| 11:07.59 | Grum | its a cone, targets 1 person and anyone standing on the same 'radial' gets flames as well (tiny cone shape even) |
| 11:08.06 | Grum | so we just spread around in a circle |
| 11:08.13 | VonhintenHOME` | We don't get flamed on the other platform if the boss is on the far platform |
| 11:08.19 | Grum | so you have at most (when you are doing the adds) 3 people getting hit by 1 cone |
| 11:08.30 | Grum | but you loose dps :) |
| 11:08.36 | Grum | and time etc ;D |
| 11:08.47 | Grum | we kill him with a minute left till he enrages |
| 11:08.51 | Grum | i tihnk that is 3 minutes ? |
| 11:09.00 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah, but again, we don't have the AOE to take the birds down any other way |
| 11:09.08 | CIA-39 | 03nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r68594 10Bartender4/Bartender4/ActionBars.lua: Bartender4: more options tweaks |
| 11:09.18 | Grum | you can just do the birds in 4 steps instead of 2 |
| 11:09.23 | Grum | that is what we'd normally do |
| 11:09.29 | Grum | (well before we speedran the place) |
| 11:10.13 | Grum | PS its not like we have 100 bears atm, we just got 2 (last 2 weeks) and have been on this for 6-7 tries with an almost steady group |
| 11:10.23 | Grum | we just researched a helluvalot before we tried :D |
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| 11:10.42 | Bruners | bartender4 ready or is it early beta |
| 11:10.44 | Bruners | ? |
| 11:11.02 | VonhintenHOME` | See if you can get that video up'd, I'd like to see how you guys do it.. baring our obvious lower DPS, we could learn some time saving tips |
| 11:11.15 | VonhintenHOME` | it's been an evolution since we started, constantly changing things to gain more time |
| 11:11.16 | Grum | to quote nevcairiel: i use it myself but i know which parts are working (he plays a healing druid farming t6 etc) |
| 11:11.31 | *** mode/#wowace [+v cladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 11:11.38 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: yeah i'll poke the guy (and checking forums now) |
| 11:12.52 | CIA-39 | 03ammo * r68595 10FishermansFriend/ (FishermansFriend.lua locales/enUS.lua): |
| 11:12.52 | CIA-39 | FishermansFriend: |
| 11:12.52 | CIA-39 | - Add support for Weather-Beaten Fishing Hat including toggle option to toggle item use. |
| 11:12.52 | CIA-39 | - Add /fmf and /fishermansfriend slashcommands to open blizz options panel |
| 11:13.19 | Grum | ah! he posted it online |
| 11:13.21 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: http://files.filefront.com/ZA+RD+movie+donewmv/;9965685;/fileinfo.html |
| 11:13.32 | VonhintenHOME` | sexeh |
| 11:13.32 | Grum | ithink that was the 9 minute spare run |
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| 11:13.46 | Grum | or else i'll be ashamed we wiped in the gauntlet @ public haha |
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| 11:14.24 | Grum | omg omg omg horrid music! >< |
| 11:14.39 | CIA-39 | 03totalpackage * r68596 10StellarUF/ (StellarUF.toc auratimers.lua core.lua frames.lua): |
| 11:14.39 | CIA-39 | StellarUF: |
| 11:14.39 | CIA-39 | - there are now options to disable extra features |
| 11:14.39 | CIA-39 | - exalted npc's no longer show up as white text |
| 11:14.39 | CIA-39 | - another hopeful fix for non-enUS clients concerning info text |
| 11:14.39 | Daemona | !rating 1481 |
| 11:14.40 | Xinhuan | 1481 rating gives 339(5s), 299(3s) and 258(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 11:14.41 | CIA-39 | - some code cleanups |
| 11:14.43 | VonhintenHOME` | downloading, I'll take a look in 10 years when its done |
| 11:15.22 | Grum | its not the complete run sigh |
| 11:15.31 | Corgan | Someone explain this video to me, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSXpYUOjp4s |
| 11:15.36 | Grum | but i think it shows 3->4 |
| 11:15.37 | Grum | checking |
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| 11:16.23 | Grum | yeah it does |
| 11:16.30 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: from about 60% |
| 11:16.35 | VonhintenHOME` | cool, good enough |
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| 11:17.18 | Grum | i'm the priest with t5 shoulders running up front hehe |
| 11:18.35 | Grum | ah he doesnt show the waterwalking part, but from the part it fades, just keep running forwards and left @ the end |
| 11:18.56 | VonhintenHOME` | ok |
| 11:19.33 | Grum | ah this was our last run haha glad he didnt show it all |
| 11:19.41 | Grum | that was wipe@gauntlet+3 minutes left |
| 11:19.44 | VonhintenHOME` | heh |
| 11:20.02 | Grum | i'll see if i can fraps something as well if its not clear enough :) |
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| 11:28.51 | Roblibob | hm, is there any major difference in bartender3 and bartender4 besides b4 beeing ace3? |
| 11:29.18 | CIA-39 | 03zeksie * r68597 10XPerl_CustomHighlight/ (. XPerl_CustomHighlight.lua XPerl_CustomHighlight.toc): |
| 11:29.18 | CIA-39 | XPerl_CustomHighlight: Custom Highlights Module. Configure via Raid options, |
| 11:29.18 | CIA-39 | allows you to specify monitoring debuffs to splat fat icon onto raid frames of |
| 11:29.18 | CIA-39 | members who suffer from them in specified zones. (Fel Rage, Fatal Attraction |
| 11:29.18 | CIA-39 | etc.). Note that this module will only work inside instances, and there is no |
| 11:29.21 | CIA-39 | validate on instance names that you enter. The default is current zone, and you |
| 11:29.23 | CIA-39 | can click on an existing one when entering a new spell to copy the text. |
| 11:29.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Zeksie i kill you |
| 11:29.34 | Gagorian | Wall of text crits you for 235235232 |
| 11:29.37 | sag_ich_nicht | also fix the bug i reported you |
| 11:29.41 | sag_ich_nicht | it's still there. |
| 11:29.46 | sag_ich_nicht | happens when i click generate. |
| 11:30.03 | VonhintenHOME` | The guys in the cages don't die if you kill their boss? |
| 11:30.06 | VonhintenHOME` | I didn't know that |
| 11:30.17 | Gagorian | What |
| 11:30.27 | sag_ich_nicht | switching from one blessing profile to a different one then back to the one i was just using fixes it. |
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| 11:31.50 | Zeksie | what bug? |
| 11:32.35 | Zeksie | meh. how can i commit multiple things under same commit. keeps complaining that Interface\Addons is not a working copy.. >< |
| 11:32.54 | ^Xavjer | is it possible to loot an item by slot with a command? |
| 11:33.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Zeksie: http://pastey.net/85149 <--that one, still |
| 11:33.17 | VonhintenHOME` | Xav, yes |
| 11:33.21 | ^Xavjer | how'? |
| 11:33.41 | Zeksie | if I knew how to reproduce it.. i'd fix it |
| 11:34.03 | VonhintenHOME` | LootSlot(n) |
| 11:34.11 | sag_ich_nicht | Zeksie: as i said, it happens when i click Generate |
| 11:34.21 | sag_ich_nicht | just trace 'source' and make sure it can never be nil :P |
| 11:34.37 | VonhintenHOME` | . /script LootSlot(1) |
| 11:34.48 | sag_ich_nicht | because obviously SOMEHOW it's nil |
| 11:35.34 | charon | Zeksie: that's (probably) because your Addons folder is in fact not a working copy, just your Addons\FooAddon\ |
| 11:35.39 | ^Xavjer | it's in an add-on, so i don't need the /script, i just needed the name ;) |
| 11:35.55 | VonhintenHOME` | k |
| 11:36.23 | charon | Zeksie: you could check out trunk/ non-recursively, then selectively check out addon subdirs, then commit many things at once from that. however, i believe the SVN rules state you shouldn't do that anyway |
| 11:36.25 | VonhintenHOME` | http://www.wowwiki.com/API has catagorical listing of API btw |
| 11:36.52 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68598 10AckisRecipeList/ (AckisRecipeList.lua RecipeDB/ARL-Tailor.lua): |
| 11:36.52 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 11:36.52 | CIA-39 | - All tailoring recipes converted to use Spell IDs |
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| 11:38.42 | CIA-39 | 03zeksie * r68599 10XPerl/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:38.42 | CIA-39 | XPerl: 2.4.2 |
| 11:38.42 | CIA-39 | - NEW: Custom Highlights Module. Configure via Raid options, allows you to |
| 11:38.42 | CIA-39 | specify monitoring debuffs to splat fat icon onto raid frames of members who |
| 11:38.42 | CIA-39 | suffer from them in specified zones. (Fel Rage, Fatal Attraction etc.). Note |
| 11:38.45 | CIA-39 | that this module will only work inside instances, and there is no validate on |
| 11:38.45 | Zeksie | mleh. |
| 11:38.47 | CIA-39 | instance names that you enter. The default is current zone, and you can click on |
| 11:39.01 | Zeksie | maybe next time |
| 11:40.04 | Delorala | (is wowhead down?) |
| 11:40.29 | ^Xavjer | lootslot doesn't work, i always get (a nil value) |
| 11:40.31 | sag_ich_nicht | don't meh me, find out why source is nil :P |
| 11:40.42 | CIA-39 | 03zeksie * r68600 10XPerl_Options/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:40.42 | CIA-39 | XPerl_Options: 2.4.2 |
| 11:40.42 | CIA-39 | - NEW: Custom Highlights Module. Configure via Raid options, allows you to |
| 11:40.42 | CIA-39 | specify monitoring debuffs to splat fat icon onto raid frames of members who |
| 11:40.42 | CIA-39 | suffer from them in specified zones. (Fel Rage, Fatal Attraction etc.). Note |
| 11:40.45 | CIA-39 | that this module will only work inside instances, and there is no validate on |
| 11:40.47 | CIA-39 | instance names that you enter. The default is current zone, and you can click on |
| 11:41.05 | sag_ich_nicht | zeksie. |
| 11:41.15 | sag_ich_nicht | will i see a commit for every single module with that message now? |
| 11:41.19 | sag_ich_nicht | because if so, i'll fucking kill you |
| 11:41.21 | Zeksie | no |
| 11:41.23 | CIA-39 | 03zeksie * r68601 10XPerl_Player/XPerl_Player.lua: |
| 11:41.23 | CIA-39 | XPerl_Player: 2.4.2 |
| 11:41.23 | CIA-39 | - Blizzard's Totem Frame is now hijacked and placed with X-Perl's player frame. You can adjust the position freely under player options. |
| 11:41.30 | Zeksie | see |
| 11:41.50 | sag_ich_nicht | good :P |
| 11:43.42 | CIA-39 | 03zeksie * r68602 10XPerl_Target/XPerl_Target.lua: |
| 11:43.43 | CIA-39 | XPerl_Target: 2.4.2 |
| 11:43.43 | CIA-39 | - Fixed: Hit indicators colours when Self Only is enabled. |
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| 11:44.50 | CIA-39 | 03zeksie * r68603 10XPerl_RaidFrames/ (8 files): |
| 11:44.50 | CIA-39 | XPerl_RaidFrames: 2.4.2 |
| 11:44.50 | CIA-39 | - De-localized all spellname references in favor of new WoW 2.4 functionality which allows spell lookups by ID. |
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| 11:53.39 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68604 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Jewelcraft.lua: |
| 11:53.39 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 11:53.39 | CIA-39 | - JC Trainer recipes converted to Spell ID |
| 11:53.40 | Zeksie | sag_ich_nicht: I put a check in for that error, and it was committed last nite... so you're getting angry at the wrong person.. look to thyself and smack thyself on forhead for not updating before bitching ;) |
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| 12:02.56 | sag_ich_nicht | [13:53] <Zeksie> sag_ich_nicht: I put a check in for that error, and it was committed last nite... so you're getting angry at the wrong person.. look to thyself and smack thyself on forhead for not updating before bitching ;) <--i did update... hold on |
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| 12:05.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: so you finally found what fucked up hyjal huh? :P |
| 12:06.16 | Ellipsis | eats sag_ich_nicht for breakfast |
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| 12:07.07 | ^Xavjer | is it possible to put a Filter of a chatframe on/off ? |
| 12:07.26 | ^Xavjer | not manually |
| 12:07.31 | ^Xavjer | with a script :) |
| 12:08.09 | sag_ich_nicht | ^Xavjer you want to code a filter fix until blizz codes one? :P |
| 12:08.30 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68605 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-BlackSmith.lua: |
| 12:08.30 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 12:08.30 | CIA-39 | - More BS conversions |
| 12:08.39 | ^Xavjer | not rly, atm i'm coding an add-on for me, and i wanna put money and itemloots off while it's actie |
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| 12:09.26 | VonhintenHOME` | Wow, so this new sso scryer necklace procs its arcane damage on sap... |
| 12:09.33 | VonhintenHOME` | That's just sucktastic |
| 12:09.34 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. |
| 12:09.39 | Grum | it also procs when drinking |
| 12:09.39 | sag_ich_nicht | it procs on EVERYTHING |
| 12:09.40 | Grum | hurray |
| 12:09.42 | [eu]gunder | yes and on sheep, hibernate etc |
| 12:09.44 | sag_ich_nicht | including zone changes. |
| 12:09.53 | VonhintenHOME` | lol, ok, so its bugged |
| 12:10.06 | ^Xavjer | it's blizzard ;)= |
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| 12:10.10 | Grum | broken like intended |
| 12:10.20 | VonhintenHOME` | I feel better knowing its that borked up, means it might get fixed for sap |
| 12:10.20 | Grum | bugged after design |
| 12:10.26 | [eu]gunder | the cool thing is that it procs on heal tics |
| 12:10.29 | Wobin_ | oh and eating |
| 12:10.32 | sica | that's why I'm collecting mats since month to go from scryer to aldor |
| 12:10.41 | Grum | i hear mages making macros to unequip the item while drinking |
| 12:10.54 | nevcairiel | what does the proc do thats so bad? |
| 12:11.02 | VonhintenHOME` | it's a DD proc |
| 12:11.03 | Wobin_ | shoots a lightning bolt |
| 12:11.10 | [eu]gunder | we had a fun time with a mage pulling while buffing the group |
| 12:11.14 | Wobin_ | which is problematic at times =) |
| 12:11.21 | sica | [eu]gunder: lol |
| 12:11.25 | ^Xavjer | what's the proc of the aldors? |
| 12:11.30 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 12:11.31 | VonhintenHOME` | crit strike |
| 12:11.39 | Wobin_ | + to crit |
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| 12:11.45 | sica | 120 spelldamage for casters |
| 12:11.48 | VonhintenHOME` | i.e. better |
| 12:11.49 | Wobin_ | aldors is all passive |
| 12:12.08 | ramoz | hm |
| 12:12.12 | ramoz | so aldor is more impressive? :O |
| 12:12.22 | nevcairiel | do healers get the stupid DD proc too? o.O |
| 12:12.24 | sica | aldor is actually usefull ;) |
| 12:12.26 | Wobin | well, more useful |
| 12:12.31 | Wobin | nevcairiel: yeah |
| 12:12.33 | VonhintenHOME` | I question whether this neck is better than my worgen claw neck |
| 12:12.48 | ramoz | HM |
| 12:12.55 | ramoz | wonder if its better than the kaelthas neck |
| 12:13.16 | nevcairiel | Wobin: "If you are a Scryer, the proc will heal your target for 618-682." |
| 12:13.20 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 12:13.28 | Wobin | oh |
| 12:13.31 | Wobin | nm me then |
| 12:13.40 | Wobin | I'm aldor, so I never bothered checking |
| 12:14.06 | Wobin | hehe it would be amusing if there wasn't an aggro check on that heal |
| 12:14.15 | sica | healers would get the dd proc from wearing the dd neck :) |
| 12:14.35 | CIA-39 | 03antiarc * r68606 10MobSpells/MobSpells.lua: MobSpells: Add constraints to the min/max speed data. |
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| 12:17.21 | ramoz | I'm in BT at the far end of the area Supremus is in, almost all the trash is still there. I target Supremus because I wanted to see him, and my mana was low, so I used a biscuit. I sit down, drink 1 tick, stand right back up, and pull him with an arcane bolt. That may seem funny as hell, but it's not so funny when 25 people die because you decided to drink while looking at an enemy |
| 12:17.27 | ramoz | AHAHAHAHAH |
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| 12:17.46 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 12:17.50 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:18.06 | Groktar | hehe |
| 12:18.28 | ramoz | man, i'd love to be on their vent when that happend |
| 12:18.30 | nevcairiel | we pulled felmyst yesterday multiple times because he was affected by mass dispel when we tested the range <.< |
| 12:18.50 | Groktar | i would have blamed a rogue |
| 12:20.19 | sica | we always blame the hunters, no matter what happened |
| 12:21.35 | VonhintenHOME` | seems the proc crits based on your melee crit rating too, that's kinda nice |
| 12:21.40 | VonhintenHOME` | also affected by curse of shadows |
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| 12:22.29 | VonhintenHOME` | So, is it worth 17 hit rating and a few agi... probably, assuming they fix the sap bug |
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| 12:22.43 | abbat | Hello guys |
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| 12:22.58 | abbat | Guys, who maintain Quartz now? |
| 12:23.39 | abbat | It is possible to use 'school colors' for target/focus bars? for example: if my focus cast frostbolt, bar should be blue, if fireball - red |
| 12:23.44 | VonhintenHOME` | Grum, cool vid.. I see what you mean now about the 3->4 shortcut |
| 12:23.57 | nevcairiel | abbat: in theory its possible, not sure if Quartz allows that, though |
| 12:24.10 | VonhintenHOME` | We'll have to try that... it'll cut about 2 min off our run I think |
| 12:24.22 | VonhintenHOME` | maybe more if we avoid the croc pat w/ water walking |
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| 12:24.41 | VonhintenHOME` | That should give us the edge we needed to get the 4th chest every time |
| 12:25.10 | abbat | nevcairiel, ah, this mean self coding (like 'anydown' if you remember, my lovely druid :) |
| 12:25.16 | kenlyric | separated from being in a WoW channel and guessing you're talking about warcraft, this conversation is quite hilarious |
| 12:25.45 | kenlyric | all i could figure is that von jogs in the everglades. |
| 12:25.59 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 12:26.13 | VonhintenHOME` | Well, I do live in FL... |
| 12:26.34 | digmouse | ~seen Antiarc |
| 12:26.41 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (2d 13h 14m 9s) #wowace (2d 13h 14m 9s) #curseforge (2d 13h 14m 9s). Has said a total of 355 messages. Is idling for 2h 24m 33s, last said: 'Anyone else experience horrible framerate lag for the frst 30 sec or so logging in?'. |
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| 12:27.05 | abbat | ~tupland |
| 12:28.49 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: glad it was helpful in some way |
| 12:28.56 | Grum | also, if your healers are up for it, take 2 |
| 12:29.09 | Grum | you get 800+dps more by that simple change |
| 12:29.20 | sag_ich_nicht | so i guess Antiarc finally went to hyjal nevcairiel? :P |
| 12:29.29 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 12:29.39 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:29.43 | Grum | last also: we also have a prot pally offtanking, so he heals when he can |
| 12:29.47 | Wobin | those damn crypt beetles =P |
| 12:29.51 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 12:30.06 | VonhintenHOME` | I think a lot of the time our 3rd healer (resto shaman) is also DPSing when he can |
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| 12:30.31 | VonhintenHOME` | our prot pally tanks the full thing, except zul'jin.. the feral goes DPS |
| 12:30.39 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: refering to r68551 |
| 12:31.26 | VonhintenHOME` | But yeah, no reason the resto shammy couldn't go ele and just offheal when needed |
| 12:31.43 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: i'd do it the other way around, take an elemental that occasionally heals ;D |
| 12:31.48 | Grum | yeah indeed :D |
| 12:32.06 | VonhintenHOME` | I think our resto druid and pally can handle the place, but because we have no mage, it can get a little wild on the flame caster packs etc |
| 12:32.14 | VonhintenHOME` | chain heal is superb there |
| 12:32.16 | nevcairiel | the 4 bosses are perfectly doable with 2 healers, you migth want a 3rd one for hex lord though |
| 12:32.33 | phyber | how come BigWigs still uses the boss names to work out who you're fighting instead of the getting that information out of the units GUID? is using BabbleBoss + looking at their UnitName faster? |
| 12:33.10 | SunTsu | phyber: Maybe so it can know who you are fighting before you are actually engaging the boss |
| 12:33.27 | sica | VonhintenHOME`: let your priest mindcontrol the flamecasters, they do lots of DPS and when you want to kill them, you stun them frist, then hammer of justice and they're dead no need to heal any damage from them |
| 12:33.38 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah Nev, but gotta keep in mind, we're barely T5.. I still have the kara chest on for christ sakes :) |
| 12:33.53 | phyber | SunTsu: you can't get the unit's GUID if they aren't in combat (like illidan while he's speaking)? |
| 12:34.08 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: i killed illidan with a t4 hat *shame* |
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| 12:34.14 | VonhintenHOME` | heh |
| 12:34.34 | SunTsu | phyber: I don't know, but I think some timers are time critical, so it's good to have them prepared beforehand |
| 12:34.53 | SunTsu | phyber: But, I am no coder, I am just guessing |
| 12:35.07 | VonhintenHOME` | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Garona&n=Vonhinten |
| 12:35.17 | VonhintenHOME` | That's my armory |
| 12:36.16 | phyber | SunTsu: well, you would know who you are fighting even if you used the NPCs ID from the GUID. BigWigs could still activate when you mouse over them like it does now. I'm just interested in why it chooses to use BB instead. :) |
| 12:36.48 | [Ammo] | phyber: menu names etc |
| 12:36.55 | [SW]Dodge | what do you think about my new config layout? http://i25.tinypic.com/35n979l.jpg :) |
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| 12:37.23 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_040808_053623.jpg <-- I'm pretty happy with this now! |
| 12:37.25 | [Ammo] | phyber: we considered it and in the end its easier to use BB which already has all the translations, or we'd have to include them in every module but shrug |
| 12:37.31 | VonhintenHOME` | Use a slider for font size imo |
| 12:37.59 | phyber | [Ammo]: that's what I thought the answer would be. :) |
| 12:38.06 | Zeksie | dunno if i'm alone on this one... but I detest the sudden love of the Blizzard square frames.. they're so ugly. |
| 12:38.14 | charon | Antiarc: what bag addon is that? |
| 12:38.37 | sica | charon: I think it's Baggins |
| 12:38.39 | [SW]Dodge | Antiarc: same question as charon :P |
| 12:38.51 | [SW]Dodge | VonhintenHOME`: hm, nice idea :) |
| 12:39.20 | kenlyric | can I have your baggins SV? :) |
| 12:39.57 | kenlyric | I wish you could make the all-in=one bag divide that finely |
| 12:40.38 | chexsum | square frames ? |
| 12:42.40 | VonhintenHOME` | I think you just convinced me to start using baggins |
| 12:42.52 | kenlyric | I was serious about the savedvariable... |
| 12:43.11 | kenlyric | I have 27 categories in arkinventory... |
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| 12:43.59 | ramoz | can you reach kaelthas without killing all the other bosses now, like vashj? |
| 12:44.10 | [Ammo] | yes |
| 12:44.11 | Wobin | sure |
| 12:44.13 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: It's definitively baggins |
| 12:44.16 | Wobin | Just target Kael |
| 12:44.20 | Wobin | and then sit down and eat |
| 12:44.25 | ramoz | lol |
| 12:44.26 | Wobin | (You may need to be Scryers =P) |
| 12:44.26 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 12:44.37 | Aiiane | ramoz: yes, the "laser-beam" walls that didn't go down until the other 3 bosses were dead are now gone |
| 12:44.38 | sica | Wobin: lol |
| 12:44.45 | Aiiane | you still have to clear all of the trash to get to him |
| 12:44.58 | Aiiane | *all of the trash along the route to him |
| 12:45.06 | Aiiane | but you don't have to go fight all the bosses |
| 12:45.25 | ramoz | id rather do that and not kill the other bosses |
| 12:45.29 | ramoz | take solarian side |
| 12:45.31 | ramoz | easy peasy |
| 12:45.44 | Aiiane | on the other hand, if you can kill kael |
| 12:45.45 | sag_ich_nicht | [14:34] <Grum> VonhintenHOME`: i killed illidan with a t4 hat *shame* <--druid? |
| 12:45.51 | Aiiane | why not kill VR/Solarian for free epix |
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| 12:46.15 | sica | why kill kael at all, just a waste of time |
| 12:46.22 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: he's a priest |
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| 12:46.50 | sag_ich_nicht | [14:37] <+Antiarc> http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_040808_053623.jpg <-- I'm pretty happy with this now! <--ANTIARC |
| 12:46.54 | sag_ich_nicht | WHAT BAG ADDON |
| 12:47.00 | sica | sag_ich_nicht: Baggins |
| 12:47.01 | Ellipsis | it's baggins, nubcake |
| 12:47.06 | sag_ich_nicht | ANSWER NOW OR SUFFER UNKNOWN PAIN |
| 12:47.07 | Wobin | nub =) |
| 12:47.11 | sag_ich_nicht | fuck you |
| 12:47.12 | Ellipsis | why do people not realize how awesome baggins can be? |
| 12:47.13 | sag_ich_nicht | die in hell |
| 12:47.16 | Wobin | s'true |
| 12:47.40 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm afraid of dicking with my bags.. I have them how I like them... but this is definitely high on the cool-o-meter |
| 12:48.12 | Groktar | last time i tried baggins it completely lagged me every time i opened by bags |
| 12:48.19 | SunTsu | VonhintenHOME`: Baggins is just a view on it |
| 12:48.19 | kenlyric | I do, I j ust wish you could have subcategories in the all-in-one bag |
| 12:48.32 | Ellipsis | kenlyric: wtf? you can |
| 12:48.39 | Aiiane | kenlyric: with baggins at least, you can... |
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| 12:48.52 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_040808_054631.jpg <-- better shot! |
| 12:49.00 | Aiiane | they might not be there in the default OneBag config, but you can certainly add them |
| 12:49.01 | kenlyric | not the last time I looked, it wouldn't show the names of subcategories (like in feet, hands, etc |
| 12:49.05 | kenlyric | oh, ok |
| 12:50.08 | VonhintenHOME` | what's the display to the left of omen? |
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| 12:51.26 | sica | VonhintenHOME`: my guess... ClassTimers |
| 12:51.56 | Aiiane | mhm... looks like that or some other variant of the same concept like http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3320/ |
| 12:52.47 | ben_ | So after the uglification of wowwiki, where do I go for a reference to the standard blizzard API? |
| 12:53.08 | VonhintenHOME` | hmm, cause I'm looking for some kind of mod that will display a check-list of sorts of buffs that are active/inactive on a target, based on group/raid composition... |
| 12:53.10 | Ellipsis | wowwiki |
| 12:53.12 | Aiiane | uglification? |
| 12:53.31 | VonhintenHOME` | like, should show if Mangle goes down, if curse of recklessness is up, if my procs are up, etc |
| 12:54.03 | sica | VonhintenHOME`: hm, maybe Debuff Filter? |
| 12:54.32 | ben_ | Ellipsis: But it is ugly and loaded with ads and annoying artwork <:| |
| 12:54.42 | VonhintenHOME` | in pitbull, you mean? |
| 12:54.50 | VonhintenHOME` | or <insert unit frame mod here> |
| 12:55.03 | sica | VonhintenHOME`: no, it's an addon http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6530-DebuffFilter.html |
| 12:55.10 | VonhintenHOME` | oh, lemme see |
| 12:55.24 | Aiiane | ben_: http://wowwiki.com/API <-- I don't see much annoying artwork there |
| 12:56.07 | VonhintenHOME` | ah, not quite.. I'm looking for like a red light/green light type interface |
| 12:56.14 | ben_ | There is a giant WOWWIKI logo, a less giant but even more useless wikia logo and for some reason the sidebar has grown even wider than before |
| 12:56.44 | Aiiane | what screen res are you running at o.0 |
| 12:56.45 | kenlyric | when in doubt, blame jimbo |
| 12:57.06 | ben_ | Aiiane: 1680x1050, what does that have to do with anything? |
| 12:58.00 | Aiiane | just curious because the wowwiki logo isn't what I'd called "giant" |
| 12:58.54 | Wobin | hm, it has changed |
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| 12:59.08 | Aiiane | 266x75 is not "huge" |
| 12:59.16 | Wobin | but honestly, if that puts you off entirely that you refuse to view the page |
| 12:59.23 | Wobin | I suggest you get a somewhat thicker hide =P |
| 12:59.33 | CIA-39 | 03ananhaid * r68607 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Kalecgos.lua: |
| 12:59.33 | CIA-39 | BigWigs: |
| 12:59.33 | CIA-39 | - zhCN Kalecgos update.(...) |
| 12:59.34 | Wobin | Or write your own |
| 13:00.10 | ben_ | Aiiane: Well, it is way larger than it was before |
| 13:00.17 | Wobin | also |
| 13:00.20 | Wobin | lrn2adblock |
| 13:00.26 | phyber | they need a page where you can download the db, like on wikipedia. then you could just grab the DB once in a while and never have to look at that page again ;) |
| 13:00.30 | ben_ | Wobin: Dude, I asked for an alternative, I did not start a jihad or anything |
| 13:00.32 | VonhintenHOME` | Glad someone finally took the advice and moved that goddamn Search box to the top of the wowwiki page |
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| 13:00.43 | Wobin | The point really is, there -is- no alternative |
| 13:00.44 | kenlyric | motherfucking naga keys |
| 13:00.48 | Wobin | until you make one |
| 13:00.59 | ben_ | I was pretty sure someone was talking about his alternative being superior to wowwiki a while ago |
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| 13:01.10 | Wobin | hm, could be clad's |
| 13:01.15 | Wobin | but that won't be out til the book is |
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| 13:01.35 | Aiiane | on a side note, the content area of wowwiki is pretty much identical to that of wowace |
| 13:01.48 | ben_ | I do not think I am taking issue with the content area |
| 13:01.53 | Aiiane | wowwiki just spends more of it on actual menus and less on blank space on the right side |
| 13:02.07 | VonhintenHOME` | Did wowwiki get bought out or something? |
| 13:02.18 | Wobin | shrugs. It's still the best resource out there at the moment |
| 13:02.19 | Aiiane | Wowwiki has been owned by wikia for a while now. |
| 13:03.44 | kenlyric | oh no, the internet has ads! and corporate sponsorship! |
| 13:03.56 | kenlyric | go back to russia, commie! |
| 13:04.09 | ben_ | The internet seemed to do fine with ads and sponsorship without having a retarded page layout for a while now |
| 13:04.33 | ben_ | oh no, we need to have our site designed by monkeys to make money! |
| 13:04.34 | kenlyric | wowwiki has always had retarded page layout though |
| 13:04.41 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't see anything wrong with it... other than those pull out menu's are the sux |
| 13:04.44 | ben_ | Well, it was quite a bit more usable before. |
| 13:04.53 | Wobin | pft |
| 13:05.03 | Wobin | Go write your own =P |
| 13:05.13 | Wobin | until you have a competing product, don't complain about the free one =) |
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| 13:05.32 | Wobin | I just think you're wasting all this angst on something pointless |
| 13:05.33 | ben_ | Wobin: I am not sure it works like that |
| 13:05.37 | kalahassi | firefox and adblock and wowwiki will stay ad-free ;) |
| 13:05.44 | ben_ | Dude, I have plenty of angst. Do not worry about me wasting it. |
| 13:05.52 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 13:05.58 | Wobin | There's all these more effective angst targets on the interwebs |
| 13:06.26 | ben_ | I am pretty sure I get to complain about products that suck even without being a competitor |
| 13:06.37 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 13:06.39 | Wobin | Sure you can |
| 13:06.48 | Wobin | we have every right to call you an arse for doing so |
| 13:07.16 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm with ben, let em have it |
| 13:08.32 | Wobin | Cause really, complaining about something you get for free, just makes you look somewhat immature and entitlementwhorey. |
| 13:08.42 | ben_ | That is a really retarded argument, Wobin. |
| 13:08.48 | Wobin | Not really |
| 13:08.59 | Wobin | You don't pay for it, you have no say as to how it's done |
| 13:09.08 | ben_ | Of course I do not have any say! |
| 13:09.12 | kenlyric | are you new to the Wowace channel? |
| 13:09.14 | Wobin | You have no entitlement to anything on that site |
| 13:09.18 | ben_ | If I had any say I would not be, like, here. |
| 13:09.22 | VonhintenHOME` | And when he does pay for it, he still has no say.. so where does that leave ya? :) |
| 13:09.23 | kenlyric | this whole channel is predicated on complaining about things you don't pay for |
| 13:09.29 | evl | WHAT? |
| 13:09.38 | evl | I thought this was the Scientology channel |
| 13:09.42 | kenlyric | wel, sag_ich_nicht is, at least |
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| 13:09.43 | haste | oh shi- |
| 13:09.45 | ben_ | I would be sitting on the wowwiki channel and yell at the wikia guys to get the fuck out |
| 13:09.45 | evl | Someone get me Mr. Tom Cruise RIGHT NOW |
| 13:09.50 | Wobin | VonhintenHOME`: oh I'm sure if he pays for Wowwiki's hosting etc, he'll have a say |
| 13:10.05 | kenlyric | god I love the bombing run flight music |
| 13:10.16 | ben_ | Look, all I was asking for was an alternative to wowwiki |
| 13:10.16 | evl | music in wow? |
| 13:10.19 | durcyn | I think you all need to calm down and have some pie. |
| 13:10.20 | Megalon | Wobin: so anything that is free is not allowed to be critised? :o |
| 13:10.21 | ben_ | then someone had me elaborate on why I wanted one |
| 13:10.26 | ben_ | and now you jump on me for elaborating? |
| 13:10.29 | Wobin | ben_: we covered that right at the beginning =P |
| 13:10.34 | Wobin | riiiight at the beginning |
| 13:10.37 | evl | Mr. Tom Cruise does not calm down, he kills people BEFORE THEY KNOW IT |
| 13:10.43 | Wobin | then moved on to more entertaining bits |
| 13:11.06 | ben_ | So what you are saying is that I do not get to have an opinion of the wowwiki layout because I am not, in fact, paying for its hosting? |
| 13:11.09 | Wobin | Megalon: No, anything that is free means that you get precisely what you pay for |
| 13:11.17 | ben_ | Or just that I am not allowed to voice that opinion in public? |
| 13:11.20 | Wobin | So complaining about it is pointless |
| 13:11.34 | Wobin | unless you mean to do something about it |
| 13:11.46 | VonhintenHOME` | Here, have an Ebon Coast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExgqnilG4pU |
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| 13:12.00 | ben_ | Perhaps whoever the dude with the book was gets motivated to release his reference sooner if enough people are complaining about wowwiki! |
| 13:12.05 | Wobin | it's all "whine whine whine, why doesn't it do -this- I wannawannawanna but I don't want to expend any effort to make it so" |
| 13:12.14 | sag_ich_nicht | HELLO |
| 13:12.16 | Wobin | knowing clad... no. Not at all |
| 13:12.19 | sag_ich_nicht | WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ALL QQING ABOUT |
| 13:12.26 | ben_ | If you feel like you have to interpret it that way, you are free to shut the hell up |
| 13:12.28 | Wobin | sag_ich_nicht: entitlement bitches =P |
| 13:12.32 | ben_ | because that is not at all what I am saying |
| 13:12.39 | sag_ich_nicht | and no i will not scroll up |
| 13:12.46 | sag_ich_nicht | because this VNC is a lagging whore |
| 13:12.49 | ben_ | Stop feeling entitled to me being all appreciative of retarded page layout |
| 13:13.02 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 13:13.03 | Wobin | ben_: I couldn't care less about you =) |
| 13:13.11 | ben_ | Wobin: Okay, so why are you still yelling about me? |
| 13:13.13 | Wobin | if you don't like it, don't -go- there |
| 13:13.25 | Wobin | Learn the API from reverse engineering the client |
| 13:13.26 | ben_ | Wobin: ... that is... why I asked about an alternative in the first place? |
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| 13:13.31 | Wobin | And we already answered that |
| 13:13.41 | Wobin | Right. At. The. Beginning |
| 13:13.49 | ben_ | I know. Thanks for bringing it back up, I guess. |
| 13:13.57 | Wobin | and you still went on and whined about how wowwiki sucked |
| 13:14.01 | durcyn | don't make me call in the nun on you two. |
| 13:14.08 | Wobin | Is she sexy? |
| 13:14.10 | ben_ | Because someone asked why I was unhappy with it |
| 13:15.28 | Wobin | You should write a greasemonkey script to make it pretty |
| 13:15.47 | ben_ | I am trying to figure out how to CSS the main content into not being indented so far |
| 13:15.58 | ben_ | but not being familiar with retard-webdesign, it is not all that easy! |
| 13:16.24 | Wobin | huh, I figured retarded-webdesign was an innate skill for the majority of people |
| 13:17.28 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 13:17.33 | sag_ich_nicht | ben_ Wobin shut up |
| 13:17.39 | sag_ich_nicht | you're both suspended! |
| 13:17.42 | Wobin | pft |
| 13:17.54 | Wobin | gtfo sag, no-one ever asks your opinion =P |
| 13:18.08 | ben_ | I shall not rest until I have restored righteous readability to wowwiki!! |
| 13:18.09 | *** kick/#wowace [sag_ich_nicht!n=wouter@WoWUIDev/WowAce/ammo] by [Ammo] (+v > nothing) |
| 13:18.09 | Wobin | and we stopped =P |
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| 13:18.23 | sag_ich_nicht | [Ammo]: QQ |
| 13:20.10 | evl | Ammo has the power |
| 13:20.22 | Wobin | the power of voodoo? |
| 13:20.28 | Groktar | real ultimate power? |
| 13:20.33 | sag_ich_nicht | [Ammo] has a small... meh |
| 13:20.33 | sag_ich_nicht | lame |
| 13:20.40 | [Ammo] | powerlevel 9000 |
| 13:20.44 | Ellipsis | o.O; |
| 13:20.47 | Wobin | is that what the kids are calling it nowadays |
| 13:20.49 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht: no pics no proof |
| 13:21.13 | kalahassi | libmobhealth4 doesnt use guids , does it? |
| 13:21.20 | Wobin | [Ammo]: it'd be 9001 |
| 13:21.28 | [Ammo] | yarr |
| 13:21.56 | Groktar | so last night |
| 13:22.15 | Groktar | i told my parents that i didn't get my bs in computer science a year and a half ago |
| 13:22.21 | Groktar | like i told them i had |
| 13:22.22 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.35 | Ellipsis | grats on fail |
| 13:22.35 | Wobin | . o O ("Surprise!") |
| 13:22.40 | Groktar | hehe |
| 13:23.20 | [Ammo] | it's not rape if you yell 'Suprise!' |
| 13:23.29 | Ellipsis | it's true |
| 13:23.36 | Wobin | It's a surprise, then |
| 13:23.37 | Ellipsis | at least that's what the man on the bus told me |
| 13:23.40 | Groktar | lol |
| 13:23.46 | ben_ | Aren't we edgy today |
| 13:23.50 | Wobin | and everyone -loves- surprises |
| 13:24.01 | Ellipsis | surprise sex is the best kind |
| 13:24.08 | CIA-39 | 03durcyn * r68608 10Antagonist/ (Antagonist.lua Antagonist.toc Data/Blacklist.lua): Antagonist: add a spellID blacklist to work around certain spells sending multiple SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS events, i.e. Holy Shock and Stormstrike. Should clear up the double/triple bar funkiness. |
| 13:24.10 | Groktar | i also told them that i was going back in the fall |
| 13:24.12 | Wobin | Always where you least expect it |
| 13:24.22 | Groktar | and my mom hugged me and started crying |
| 13:24.25 | Groktar | sometimes |
| 13:24.30 | Groktar | parents are not so clueless as you think |
| 13:24.37 | Wobin | They never are =P |
| 13:24.57 | Ellipsis | no, but they still suck |
| 13:24.59 | Wobin | They do, however, pretend really well, so as to protect your illusions =) |
| 13:25.33 | Groktar | i also don't have to pay rent anymore |
| 13:25.43 | durcyn | Wobin, you sound like a man who's familiar with UFIA. |
| 13:25.43 | Groktar | they want me to save money so i don't have to work in the fall |
| 13:25.48 | Groktar | apparently they want me to graduate this time |
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| 13:26.12 | Wobin | durcyn: "Surprise" =P |
| 13:26.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Groktar if you don't graduate i'll kill you |
| 13:26.21 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 13:26.41 | sica | hm, sag_ich_nicht, I really like your pro-killing-attitude |
| 13:26.52 | Ellipsis | he's pro at killing kittens, at least |
| 13:27.36 | Wobin | pro-killing? Does that mean he'll kill him before he gets his degree? |
| 13:27.38 | VonhintenHOME` | If only he had gotten that BS, he wouldn't have DC'd just now... |
| 13:27.47 | Wobin | or is that pre-killing |
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| 13:28.56 | sica | that would be pre-killing |
| 13:30.21 | Wobin | unless the pro indicates proactive |
| 13:30.58 | Ellipsis | pre-kills Wobin before the conversation continues any longer |
| 13:31.48 | sag_ich_nicht | afks to brush his hair |
| 13:31.56 | VonhintenHOME` | Are post-pre-kill-unkills allowed? |
| 13:32.02 | Ellipsis | pretty pretty sag_ich_nicht |
| 13:34.04 | sag_ich_nicht | my hair is totally fscked |
| 13:34.17 | Wobin | buzzcut it? |
| 13:34.43 | sag_ich_nicht | I'M NOT REMOVING 1 METER+ HAIR |
| 13:34.56 | sag_ich_nicht | fuck you |
| 13:35.16 | [dRaCo] | I've got a totally creative answer for that one... |
| 13:35.18 | [dRaCo] | NO U! |
| 13:35.25 | VonhintenHOME` | Damn hippies... |
| 13:35.48 | sag_ich_nicht | nope, metal |
| 13:35.57 | Wobin | I was -totally- going to say something about one hundred strokes of the brush every night |
| 13:36.02 | VonhintenHOME` | Sure thing there, treehugger |
| 13:36.08 | Wobin | but I can't find a statement of that that doesn't sound dirty |
| 13:36.24 | sag_ich_nicht | i should brush it every day :/ |
| 13:36.27 | sag_ich_nicht | but i don't :/ |
| 13:36.34 | Wobin | clearly |
| 13:36.36 | Wobin | the answer is |
| 13:36.38 | Wobin | dreadlocks =P |
| 13:36.50 | Ellipsis | nah |
| 13:36.57 | Ellipsis | sag_ich_nicht has preeeeeeeeeetty hair |
| 13:36.58 | Wobin | meter long dreadlocks is pretty metal |
| 13:37.30 | SunTsu | Wobin: It's so Rage against the machine |
| 13:38.27 | sag_ich_nicht | i've considered cornrows tho, in case i lose a bet |
| 13:38.38 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 13:38.42 | sag_ich_nicht | just because it would completely NOT fit |
| 13:38.42 | Ellipsis | that would look funny on you |
| 13:38.47 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
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| 13:41.24 | Ellipsis | pets sag_ich_nicht |
| 13:42.11 | sag_ich_nicht | fucking knots are a PITA |
| 13:42.16 | Ellipsis | inorite |
| 13:44.07 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 13:44.13 | sag_ich_nicht | now they're charged and sticking to everything |
| 13:44.14 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 13:44.27 | Ellipsis | damp washcloth = win |
| 13:44.30 | Wobin | sticks sag_ich_nicht to the wall. |
| 13:44.39 | Ellipsis | just wet it slightly so it stays put, works every time |
| 13:44.43 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
| 13:44.56 | sag_ich_nicht | but i have to finish brushing first :P |
| 13:44.58 | Ellipsis | sticks to Wobin |
| 13:45.10 | Wobin | Static. Is there nothing it can't do? |
| 13:45.29 | Ellipsis | let me go, apparently :< |
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| 13:46.13 | VonhintenHOME` | Damn hippies |
| 13:47.05 | sag_ich_nicht | shut up or i'll staple your bald head onto train rails |
| 13:47.23 | Wobin | hm, it'd have to be deep staples |
| 13:47.27 | Wobin | there's no hair to use |
| 13:47.29 | Ellipsis | sharp ones, too |
| 13:47.38 | sag_ich_nicht | that's my point |
| 13:47.47 | Wobin | ~staple VonhintenHOME` |
| 13:47.47 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples VonhintenHOME` quite well, and hands VonhintenHOME` to wobin |
| 13:47.54 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't have a bald head... I have short hair... |
| 13:48.03 | sag_ich_nicht | sure |
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| 13:48.08 | VonhintenHOME` | If I had long hair, it'd accentuate my man-boobs... |
| 13:48.08 | sag_ich_nicht | baldy. |
| 13:48.12 | VonhintenHOME` | not the effect I'm going for |
| 13:48.18 | sag_ich_nicht | fatty. |
| 13:48.21 | Ellipsis | mmm, manboobs |
| 13:49.17 | Pkekyo| | YOU NO TAKE CANDLE! |
| 13:49.46 | quiesense | dies. |
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| 13:50.30 | Pkekyo| | teaching parkour in a class of fatties must be amusing :> |
| 13:55.54 | Ellipsis | licks Pkekyo| |
| 13:56.57 | CIA-39 | 03jerry * r68609 10LibItemBonus-2.0/LibItemBonus-2.0/core.lua: LibItemBonus-2.0: fix the double-slash command |
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| 13:59.48 | Pkekyo| | plonks Ellipsis |
| 14:00.05 | Ellipsis | ooh, kinkeh |
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| 14:01.40 | renchap | is jerry here ? |
| 14:01.48 | renchap | i have a bug with LibItemBonus |
| 14:02.33 | Wobin | I've yet to see him here |
| 14:02.41 | Wobin | you may be better off leaving a note on the forum |
| 14:02.56 | renchap | or try to fiw the bug myself |
| 14:04.18 | renchap | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33122 |
| 14:04.28 | renchap | On this item, % crit is not detected |
| 14:05.29 | renchap | armory bugs too ^^ |
| 14:05.50 | [Liquidor] | hmm lemme check if I got it |
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| 14:06.32 | [Liquidor] | nope :( |
| 14:06.32 | [Liquidor] | http://armory.artoman.com/item-tooltip.php?i=33122 |
| 14:06.43 | ^Xavjer | looking for an lua expert to ask a few questions :) |
| 14:06.50 | nevcairiel | ~asktoask |
| 14:06.51 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 14:06.57 | [Liquidor] | ^Xavjer, just ask |
| 14:07.49 | CIA-39 | 03sayclub * r68610 10GridStatusRaidDebuff/GridStatusRaidDebuff.lua: |
| 14:07.50 | CIA-39 | GridStatusRaidDebuff: |
| 14:07.50 | CIA-39 | - Update |
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| 14:08.50 | Vulcanus | he should have asked if it was okay to ask to ask for a question, then we could have said no |
| 14:09.14 | ^Xavjer | well, i think you should know my add-on... http://pastey.net/85328 ... i'd like to know why it posts the money loot (if there are silver + copper) on 2 lines and not on one |
| 14:09.43 | Ellipsis | addmessage adds a new line every time it's called |
| 14:10.06 | ^Xavjer | yeah, but the money is just one addmessage |
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| 14:11.15 | [Liquidor] | renchap, thanks for the heads up. Fixed it http://armory.artoman.com/item-tooltip.php?i=33122 |
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| 14:11.38 | Ellipsis | your indentation makes my head hurt |
| 14:11.52 | ^Xavjer | iK ^^ |
| 14:12.18 | Vulcanus | what's wrong with tabbed indents |
| 14:12.24 | Ellipsis | nothing |
| 14:12.27 | Ellipsis | if you use them correctly |
| 14:12.36 | renchap | [Liquidor]: it is not ranged critical strike rating |
| 14:12.41 | Ellipsis | also if you know how to use "elseif" |
| 14:12.59 | ^Xavjer | yeah thats something i could change^^ |
| 14:13.00 | [Liquidor] | renchap, ehm? |
| 14:13.12 | Wobin | ^Xavjer: perhaps the lootstring has the newline in it? |
| 14:13.12 | Vulcanus | Ill grant you the elseif point, but I can't see anything else right off the bat |
| 14:13.19 | Wobin | I recall that's how it normally displays? |
| 14:13.28 | [Liquidor] | renchap, "Equip: Improves melee critical strike rating by 24" <--- where does it say ranged? |
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| 14:13.36 | [Liquidor] | I'm curious :)) |
| 14:13.37 | Ellipsis | Vulcanus: you don't see the incorrect indentation in the nested bit in the middle? |
| 14:13.47 | renchap | this rating does not apply to ranged attacks |
| 14:13.50 | ^Xavjer | hmm... ill have to find that out |
| 14:13.53 | Vulcanus | oh the for loop |
| 14:13.55 | renchap | this is specified in in game tooltip |
| 14:13.59 | nevcairiel | Ellipsis: indentation doesnt break code :P |
| 14:14.03 | nevcairiel | (not on Lua anyway) |
| 14:14.09 | nevcairiel | s/on/in/ |
| 14:14.11 | Ellipsis | I know, but it makes it hard to debug |
| 14:14.16 | Ellipsis | which is why I said it was making my head hurt |
| 14:14.22 | Ellipsis | not that it was making his code buggy :P |
| 14:14.25 | sag_ich_nicht | okay i'm done |
| 14:14.29 | Vulcanus | ellipsis is even more nazi about indentation than I am, I never thought that would be possible XD |
| 14:14.33 | [Liquidor] | hmm sec renchap, checking item tooltip ingame.. |
| 14:14.40 | nevcairiel | you're jumping of that bridge now sag_ich_nicht? |
| 14:14.46 | ^Xavjer | i'm glad that it's nearly working like I want it, if everything works, i'm going to change that^^ |
| 14:14.51 | Ellipsis | I'm not a nazi, I just find it difficult to read when things are randomly broken out of an indented area when they don't end the block |
| 14:14.54 | sag_ich_nicht | no nevcairiel, i'm done brushing my hair :P |
| 14:15.04 | nevcairiel | man you got me all excited :( |
| 14:15.05 | Wobin | well that took half an hour =) |
| 14:15.08 | Vulcanus | I bet ckk enjoys having you comment his code ;) |
| 14:15.12 | Wobin | or 40 minutes or so |
| 14:15.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobin: only? |
| 14:15.15 | Ellipsis | ckk indents properly |
| 14:15.21 | Vulcanus | hehe |
| 14:15.21 | sag_ich_nicht | i figured it would have been an hour or so |
| 14:15.32 | sag_ich_nicht | also GOD DAMN IT that static discharge when i touched the grounding hurt |
| 14:15.40 | [Liquidor] | renchap, I'm unsure what the problem is. It doesn't say ranged anywhere neither that it isn't ranged rating. |
| 14:15.54 | Wobin | sag_ich_nicht: hehe, get one of those grounding straps IT techs use |
| 14:16.02 | Ellipsis | also, there are spaces used to indent in some spots there too |
| 14:16.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Wobin: i have one |
| 14:16.11 | sag_ich_nicht | but not with me |
| 14:16.11 | CIA-39 | 03kagaro * r68611 10kgPanels/ (Libs/ embeds.xml kgPanels.toc): kgPanels: embed LibSharedMedia-3.0 |
| 14:16.13 | renchap | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33122 => bonusCritMeleeRating 24 |
| 14:16.18 | renchap | only melee |
| 14:16.23 | [Liquidor] | Yes? |
| 14:16.27 | [Liquidor] | And? |
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| 14:16.41 | Ellipsis | you can't see it on the pastey but put it in your editor and you'll notice (assuming your tabstop is other than 4) |
| 14:16.47 | [Liquidor] | You're mad or? |
| 14:16.49 | renchap | and in french it is specified only melee |
| 14:16.54 | renchap | maybe not in english |
| 14:17.11 | sag_ich_nicht | cloak of darkness only provides melee crit NOT ranged crit |
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| 14:17.13 | ^Xavjer | elli the problem is, i'm working with luaedit, and it seems that he doesn't do tabs |
| 14:17.14 | Vulcanus | I always use 4 spaces -> 1 tab in all my editors |
| 14:17.14 | sag_ich_nicht | this is intentional |
| 14:17.19 | ^Xavjer | because I tabbed ;) |
| 14:17.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Vulcanus: same here |
| 14:17.27 | [Liquidor] | sag_ich_nicht, we can see that. |
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| 14:19.36 | Ellipsis | ^Xavjer: you've never defined Money |
| 14:19.54 | Ellipsis | so your first if statement to catch it will never run |
| 14:20.03 | ^Xavjer | it does |
| 14:20.25 | Ellipsis | no, the other two must be doing it |
| 14:20.36 | Ellipsis | unless you defined a global Money in another file somewhere |
| 14:20.43 | QuantumDelta | Antiarc - I haven't been able to find anything specific (bar the power gains from buffs, which I agree isn't going to accomodate everything :P) so I've appealed to the entire tankadin community to see if it's a common issue with us or not |
| 14:20.44 | ^Xavjer | nope |
| 14:20.58 | Ellipsis | then your first statement will never run |
| 14:20.59 | ^Xavjer | if i change the first to itemIcon, it displays the path of the icon for money |
| 14:21.01 | Ellipsis | also you need to start using locals |
| 14:21.25 | Ellipsis | you are setting globals like Activation and loaded |
| 14:21.35 | Ellipsis | which is bad |
| 14:22.06 | ^Xavjer | i'm doing many faults iK, it's my first add-on so i'm pleased if you tell me things like that =) |
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| 14:29.59 | Higdur | does anyone know how to bring up blizz's combat log? can't seem to find a way |
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| 14:30.41 | Beherit | hi there |
| 14:31.03 | Grum | ohaithar |
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| 14:34.04 | Higdur | noone knows? :( |
| 14:34.50 | Xinhuan | what do you mean "bring up hte blizz combat log" |
| 14:35.54 | Grum | click on the combat tab in your chat-window? |
| 14:35.59 | Higdur | I do not have a combat log window open |
| 14:36.26 | Grum | then reset the chatwindows from the blizzard options? did you try it without *any* addons? |
| 14:37.11 | Higdur | yeah, I guess a chatwindow reset would work, but I'd rather avoid having to fix all settings again |
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| 14:38.57 | Wobin | try /script ToggleCombatLog() ? |
| 14:40.07 | Higdur | will do |
| 14:40.24 | Higdur | I have tried the keybinding though and it didn't work |
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| 14:40.37 | Higdur | just finishing some stuff on my alt first... |
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| 14:40.51 | Viper_0000 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784399092&sid=1 |
| 14:42.16 | Polarina | Viper_0000: Haha... |
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| 14:43.28 | Beherit | someone would like to take a look at my restoshaman earth and watershield trackin mod? just to take a look and maybe give some code hints... (in example for 2.4 cl) |
| 14:43.40 | Beherit | http://ace.pastey.net/85330 |
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| 14:47.28 | CIA-39 | 03next96 * r68612 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ (ARLLocals-enUS.lua ARLLocals-koKR.lua): |
| 14:47.29 | CIA-39 | AckisRecipeList: |
| 14:47.29 | CIA-39 | - New npc sorting :) |
| 14:47.29 | CIA-39 | - Update locale koKR |
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| 14:51.13 | Higdur | Wobin: /script ToggleCombatLog() did not help |
| 14:51.30 | Wobin | Higdur: no idea aside from resetting then, I'm afraid |
| 14:51.48 | Xinhuan | ~dict masochist |
| 14:52.06 | Higdur | Wobin: yeah, afraid so :/ |
| 14:52.25 | Kalroth | So many words for one Antiarc! |
| 14:55.58 | bluemangle | Hey NeoTron you around? |
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| 14:56.31 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: are you implying that Antiarc is a rapist? |
| 14:56.33 | digmouse | ~seen Antiarc |
| 14:56.35 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (2d 15h 44m 3s) #wowace (2d 15h 44m 3s) #curseforge (2d 15h 44m 3s). Has said a total of 357 messages. Is idling for 2h 7m 43s, last said: 'http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_040808_054631.jpg <-- better shot!'. |
| 14:57.00 | Kalroth | Ellipsis: I don't see that word in the list! |
| 14:57.01 | bluemangle | scary big brother ;) |
| 14:57.08 | Ellipsis | Kalroth: look harder |
| 14:57.28 | Ellipsis | hint: alphabetical order |
| 14:57.29 | Vulcanus | I see it |
| 14:57.33 | Kalroth | Oops, there it is. |
| 14:57.37 | bluemangle | heh |
| 14:57.40 | Wobin | That's a weird definition for masochist |
| 14:57.45 | Kalroth | Agreed |
| 14:57.48 | Vulcanus | Sapped girls don't say no. |
| 14:58.07 | bluemangle | penetration removes sap effect |
| 14:58.13 | Vulcanus | XD |
| 14:58.21 | kenlyric | kidney shot, imo |
| 14:58.28 | Kalroth | cheap shot? |
| 14:58.34 | bluemangle | i think they call that a donkey punch ;) just sayin |
| 14:58.34 | Wobin | that's only for 5 seconds |
| 14:58.41 | bluemangle | it's not rape, it's just frowned upon |
| 14:58.42 | Kalroth | Wobin: That's enough for kenlyric |
| 14:58.43 | Wobin | but if that's enough for you... well.. |
| 14:58.49 | Kalroth | :P |
| 14:59.09 | Kalroth | kenlyric: buuurned! |
| 14:59.24 | *** join/#wowace nuoHep` (n=nuoHep@89.222.156.36) |
| 14:59.48 | kenlyric | hey, once you've got going she won't want to get away. |
| 15:00.01 | kenlyric | also, you have other stuns |
| 15:00.19 | kenlyric | and if she runs you've always got backstab |
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| 15:01.31 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.40 | MoonWitch | ello kinky people and not so kinky people |
| 15:01.45 | Wobin | if she's facing you, use gouge? |
| 15:02.03 | Wobin | places himself firmly in one of those camps =P |
| 15:02.34 | MoonWitch | is rather annoyed at her pc already suffering from heat issues and it's only spring |
| 15:02.59 | Ellipsis | prods MoonWitch |
| 15:03.01 | kagaro | waves to MoonWitch |
| 15:03.18 | MoonWitch | prods Ellipsis back |
| 15:03.24 | Ellipsis | I'm one of the kinky ones, right? |
| 15:03.29 | MoonWitch | of course |
| 15:03.46 | Ellipsis | good ^-^ |
| 15:04.17 | MoonWitch | hey kagaro |
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| 15:08.04 | Twist- | heh.. seen on another channel |
| 15:08.19 | Twist- | er.. and not this one. /tabtab |
| 15:08.29 | Dark_Elf | windows update tuesday, wonders if its gonna be wow hotfix tuesday again |
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| 15:11.00 | Nandini | there were no discernable hotfixes so far after today's rolling restart in the U.S. |
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| 15:11.46 | Elsia | heya |
| 15:11.51 | Nandini | but not much raiding has taken place yet, if any encounters were changed, you will probably start hearing about it in 12 hours or so |
| 15:12.18 | Nandini | howdy Elsia :) |
| 15:12.22 | Elsia | 2.4.2 patch today? |
| 15:12.25 | Nandini | nope |
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| 15:12.44 | Nandini | no client patch, no noticable changes so far |
| 15:13.53 | Dark_Elf | cool dont want no more for a while lol |
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| 15:14.35 | Zergreth | what the f |
| 15:14.41 | Zergreth | WAU is still as slow as yesterday for me |
| 15:14.41 | Zergreth | D: |
| 15:14.58 | Zergreth | and it died again |
| 15:14.59 | Zergreth | aww |
| 15:15.00 | Zergreth | fuck |
| 15:15.55 | Dark_Elf | well the new downloads page is loading slow for me so i suspect the site is getting lots of downloading going on |
| 15:16.10 | Zergreth | meh |
| 15:16.16 | Zergreth | but its doing that for me since yesterday |
| 15:16.17 | Zergreth | D: |
| 15:16.22 | Zergreth | not cool |
| 15:16.32 | Mytos | i just updated 5 mins ago, was fine |
| 15:16.36 | *** join/#wowace Zorkmid (n=masd@d235-159-162.home1.cgocable.net) |
| 15:16.40 | Zorkmid | hey all |
| 15:16.42 | Zorkmid | I have a question |
| 15:16.56 | Zorkmid | Im just installing WoW and BC |
| 15:17.08 | Zorkmid | I think my BC CD is all scratched up |
| 15:17.21 | Zergreth | just download it? |
| 15:17.30 | Zorkmid | I saw that, but its another 30 bucks |
| 15:17.40 | Zergreth | not THERE |
| 15:17.56 | Zergreth | its not like its illegal to download BC from somewhere else for free if you got the cds |
| 15:17.59 | Dark_Elf | already scratched up? |
| 15:18.22 | dylanm | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors#Playable_Client |
| 15:18.41 | Zorkmid | well, the installer locks after I install it, and when I go to run it, this lil window pops up and in the corner it says downloading patch, it gets to 612k and closes |
| 15:18.44 | Zorkmid | over and over |
| 15:18.45 | Mytos | you can download the client from the account page on warcraft.com |
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| 15:19.33 | CIA-39 | 03pettigrow * r68613 10IHML/locales/locale-frFR.lua: IHML: frFR Update |
| 15:19.37 | dylanm | Look at my link. |
| 15:19.49 | EvilJohn- | you can download the clients straight from blizzard |
| 15:20.04 | Zergreth | when clicking the Mirrors entry in the top bar of WAU it freezes, maybe its corrupted or something? D: |
| 15:20.05 | CIA-39 | 03anea * r68614 10Whisp/ (9 files): |
| 15:20.05 | CIA-39 | Whisp: initial commit |
| 15:20.05 | CIA-39 | - Makes chatting fun again! |
| 15:20.05 | CIA-39 | - Keeps track of your recent conversations and displays them in a pane above the chatbox when you reply. |
| 15:20.05 | CIA-39 | - Comes with a FuBar/Minimap plugin that allows to quickly review all current conversations. |
| 15:20.45 | Zergreth | nvm, seems to b |
| 15:20.49 | Zergreth | *to be empty |
| 15:21.00 | Zergreth | my backspace key is way too small |
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| 15:22.27 | VonhintenHOME` | ugh, nasty virus going around MSN Messenger at the moment |
| 15:22.44 | VonhintenHOME` | Don't click anything from people you know asking "Is this your picture?" |
| 15:22.48 | [eu]gunder | good thing I don't use MSN or windows ^^ |
| 15:23.23 | ben_ | this |
| 15:23.54 | Zergreth | whoever is falling for the old "is this your picture?" thing is not very smart |
| 15:24.48 | ben_ | Disagreed! |
| 15:24.58 | Ellipsis | yeah...fail |
| 15:25.11 | ben_ | It seems reasonable to assume that clicking on a picture link is not going to compromise my computer. |
| 15:25.13 | JJSheets | I fix viruses like these. funny as hell. |
| 15:25.14 | Zorkmid | are the CD keys on the cases ? |
| 15:25.52 | [eu]gunder | on the game manual iirc |
| 15:25.53 | Zergreth | ben_, im not only talking about the virus/whatever thingy |
| 15:26.02 | Zergreth | if somebody asks that, its not your picture most of the time |
| 15:26.13 | VonhintenHOME` | You'd be surprised.. I've already gotten 5 msn messages from people at work that have been infected and didn't know it |
| 15:26.18 | Zorkmid | I cant find where to get Wow and BC on the site |
| 15:26.20 | Zergreth | if somebody asks me that its usually bruce willis |
| 15:27.05 | ben_ | Zergreth: So what? Looking at pictures is not supposed to infect your computer. |
| 15:27.05 | Zergreth | i doubt its actually a picture, and if its not, it should be seen in the url |
| 15:27.05 | ben_ | The stupidity is to accept the activex thing and/or setting MSN/IE to silently accept it |
| 15:27.13 | Zergreth | ah, activex is evil, yea |
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| 15:27.28 | JJSheets | even picture files can be used to insert viruses. |
| 15:27.40 | Zergreth | uh |
| 15:27.51 | JJSheets | MS had issues with rendering jpg's that allowed atacks with just an image. |
| 15:27.59 | Zergreth | there are no known jpg exploits or anything, which is usually used when showing pics |
| 15:28.24 | Zergreth | or, lets say, i myself dont know any :] |
| 15:28.28 | JJSheets | or was it png... not sure. It did happen. And still could. |
| 15:28.38 | Zergreth | png is possible i think |
| 15:28.38 | ben_ | JJSheets: Pretty unlikely! |
| 15:28.42 | Zergreth | im not sure anymore |
| 15:28.55 | JJSheets | ben. I've seen such viruses in action. I do this for a living. |
| 15:29.14 | ben_ | Sure, if you do it for a living you probably deal with win95 systems? |
| 15:29.19 | Zorkmid | can I get WoW and BC for free without buying the CDS ? |
| 15:29.19 | Zorkmid | lol |
| 15:29.20 | JJSheets | nope. |
| 15:29.32 | JJSheets | typically XP, occasionally I see Vista. |
| 15:29.48 | Ellipsis | JJSheets: it was jpg that had teh big exploit |
| 15:29.50 | ben_ | Zorkmid: http://wow-europe.com/en/downloads/classic/index.html ? |
| 15:29.59 | Zergreth | is anybody using FuBar_PvPFu here? |
| 15:30.06 | JJSheets | ty Ellipsis |
| 15:30.19 | Zergreth | it was jpg? |
| 15:30.20 | Zergreth | mh |
| 15:30.20 | Ellipsis | you can get the game for free, you just can't have an account without paying for it (other than trial accounts) |
| 15:30.21 | Zergreth | weird |
| 15:30.25 | Zergreth | i was almost sure it wasnt |
| 15:30.51 | Zorkmid | Cool Ellipsis |
| 15:30.52 | Zorkmid | Im willing to pay |
| 15:30.57 | VonhintenHOME` | The windows meta file had a nasty one in it too |
| 15:31.13 | Zorkmid | I just think My BC DVD is scratched and will be easier to just get it online |
| 15:31.19 | *** join/#wowace Kurax (n=kurax@222.130.184.211) |
| 15:31.20 | Mytos | there have been exloits and loops found for almost every file type to insert a virus, i remember one that was in mp3s a few years back |
| 15:31.23 | VonhintenHOME` | the wmf SetAbortProc exploit |
| 15:31.26 | Ellipsis | it's often faster to download the client than install it from discs |
| 15:31.29 | ben_ | Mytos: And they have been fixed |
| 15:31.32 | Zorkmid | Ellipsis, will that have the BC addon too ? |
| 15:31.34 | Ellipsis | since you can download the latest patch directly rather than having to patch up |
| 15:31.36 | Ellipsis | yes |
| 15:31.41 | JJSheets | mpegs have known methods of sending you to crap websites. |
| 15:32.06 | JJSheets | which tend to infect you immediately. So watch your Pr0n on linux kiddies. |
| 15:32.07 | Zorkmid | so I can play without even having the DVD in the tray ? |
| 15:32.20 | Zorkmid | Ok what if I have a pre BC character and had an account before BC |
| 15:32.22 | Mytos | wmv files are the worst, because microsoft completely refuses to take out the capability to open an IE window inside them |
| 15:32.22 | JJSheets | Zorkmid, I haven't touched my WoW cds in ages. |
| 15:32.26 | Zorkmid | then do I need to pay for BC ? |
| 15:32.37 | Fisker- | anyone know how that streaming technology works? |
| 15:32.40 | Zergreth | wmv sucks anyway |
| 15:32.42 | VonhintenHOME` | You can download the BC software on WoW's website |
| 15:32.50 | Fisker- | would be pretty awesome if it could work with full accounts as well |
| 15:32.53 | EvilJohn- | with the links I gave you |
| 15:32.56 | CIA-39 | 03durcyn * r68615 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-BlackSmith.lua: AckisRecipeList: ARL-Blacksmith.lua:157 semicolon -> the letter L. Trippy. |
| 15:33.02 | JJSheets | You'll still probably need to pay for BC though. |
| 15:33.13 | Zorkmid | ok |
| 15:33.16 | EvilJohn- | <EvilJohn-> https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/download_wow.html |
| 15:33.17 | durcyn | yes, new accounts don't bundle the expansion |
| 15:33.57 | MoonWitch | Zork. Pre bc account + pre bc character is playable, you just can't go to the outlands or get to lvl 70. Your only option is to get BC then. Yes, paid. Yes, you can download them, but still have to pay for it. |
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| 15:34.27 | Ellipsis | you pay to create your account, and you pay to upgrade it to TBC, and you pay monthly to keep it active |
| 15:34.34 | Ellipsis | everything else (i.e. the software itself) is free |
| 15:35.31 | Zorkmid | Ok, so Im downloading from http://wow-europe.com/en/downloads/classic/index.html now.....will that version be ready to play, and all I have to do is do the digital upgrade in the account managment site to get BC ? |
| 15:36.07 | Ellipsis | er, is your account EU or US? |
| 15:36.12 | Zorkmid | so should cost me 30 for the BC and 15 a month |
| 15:36.15 | Zorkmid | its US |
| 15:36.20 | Ellipsis | you should download the US client then |
| 15:36.20 | Zorkmid | shit im getting wrong one arent I |
| 15:36.21 | Zorkmid | lol |
| 15:36.42 | Zorkmid | can you link the correct one to me Ellipsis? |
| 15:36.57 | Zorkmid | im a bit of a tool :P |
| 15:37.05 | VonhintenHOME` | We noticed |
| 15:37.13 | VonhintenHOME` | <EvilJohn-> <EvilJohn-> https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/download_wow.html |
| 15:37.14 | Zorkmid | laffs |
| 15:37.33 | [Endeavour] | How can i delete a Frame? (Or better: All children of a frame) |
| 15:37.43 | nevcairiel | you cant |
| 15:37.48 | MoonWitch | worldofwarcraft.com click on the right hand side and download the trial, no you don't have to create an account, you will just be downloading the client. |
| 15:38.04 | [eu]gunder | meh my realm went offline without any warning |
| 15:38.23 | JJSheets | [Endeavour], Frames can't be deleted. Typially you put it in a recycle bin and reuse next time you need one. |
| 15:38.30 | MoonWitch | (5:38:19 PM) Zorkmid: I dont want a trial |
| 15:38.30 | MoonWitch | (5:38:26 PM) Zorkmid: I have an account just need to re up it |
| 15:38.55 | [Endeavour] | Thanks for you answers! |
| 15:39.00 | JJSheets | np |
| 15:39.04 | EvilJohn- | at this point, I feel comment about a learning disability is in order |
| 15:39.22 | MoonWitch | zork, I said - you don't have to create an account (which means creating a trial account is something you will NOT do). You simply go through those links to get the download page for the client. Trial and full client are the same. |
| 15:39.26 | Pkekyo| | BLARBLAAAAAAAAAAAAR |
| 15:39.30 | JJSheets | Well... I gotta get to work. See ya'll later. |
| 15:39.36 | MoonWitch | EvilJohn yes.... yes. |
| 15:39.47 | Zorkmid | Ok, so I need to download WoW original and then the BC afterwards ? |
| 15:40.03 | Pkekyo| | most likely |
| 15:40.11 | EvilJohn- | no, if you keep asking the same question eventually someone wil get so annoyed they fed ex it to you on cd |
| 15:40.16 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 15:40.32 | Zorkmid | I may suck at installing, but Im a good tank :P |
| 15:40.34 | MoonWitch | seeing as BC is an expansion of the original WoW, that would make the original required. |
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| 15:40.42 | Pkekyo| | I could do that...except I don't know if fEx even operates here |
| 15:40.56 | Zorkmid | Ok, but I can just patch BC onto the downloaded version of WoW right ? |
| 15:40.57 | MoonWitch | Somehow, I don't feel inclined do be in a party where you tank. |
| 15:41.06 | Pkekyo| | rofl |
| 15:41.11 | Ellipsis | facepalms |
| 15:41.12 | Pkekyo| | Zorkmid: JUST BLOODY TRY IT |
| 15:41.19 | MoonWitch | yes .. BC is an expansion of WoW - so YES |
| 15:41.20 | Zorkmid | Pke, it takes soooo long |
| 15:41.31 | MoonWitch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.39 | Pkekyo| | Zorkmid: as does explaining this to you :/ |
| 15:41.41 | Zorkmid | Well, we were one of first guilds into Naxx and I was the MT |
| 15:41.43 | Nandini | stupid buggy combat log range, flying around blade's edge and i'm getting events from quel'danas in my log |
| 15:42.00 | Pkekyo| | I lead the first guild into YourMom :P |
| 15:42.06 | Zorkmid | is my thunderfury useless yet ? |
| 15:42.07 | Zorkmid | lol |
| 15:42.13 | ulic | and what does downloading WoW have to do with Ace? |
| 15:42.19 | Pkekyo| | thunderfury's not useless...for improving your e-peen... |
| 15:42.30 | MoonWitch | honey, I mainhealed Magister's Terrace at 68 (Barely, but still, we lived) |
| 15:42.39 | Pkekyo| | most tanks seem to have it sitting in their banks though |
| 15:42.51 | genetik | i use my thunderfury for soloing |
| 15:42.56 | Fisker- | i have your cock sitting in my bank |
| 15:43.09 | EvilJohn- | cocks are bop |
| 15:43.10 | MoonWitch | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcrusade/download/index.html |
| 15:43.13 | Pkekyo| | Fisker-: LIES! |
| 15:43.13 | Pkekyo| | ...well, unless my pants is your banker, I call lies on you |
| 15:43.26 | Pkekyo| | EvilJohn-: not if your insane ex cuts it off whilst you sleep :< |
| 15:43.38 | Zorkmid | my epeen is smaller than my ipeen |
| 15:43.40 | EvilJohn- | oh |
| 15:43.46 | EvilJohn- | I don't want my happy sharded |
| 15:43.59 | Pkekyo| | who would? |
| 15:44.02 | Pkekyo| | shrugs |
| 15:44.19 | MoonWitch | can we ignore people in channels for no reason? |
| 15:44.22 | bluemangle | is back... like it matters ;) |
| 15:44.47 | Pkekyo| | Zorkmid: to answer your question...your TF is not useless, but it is replacable |
| 15:45.00 | Nandini | the world coords for isle of quel'danas must be near blade's edge |
| 15:45.19 | Pkekyo| | Nandini: wth? |
| 15:45.51 | Pkekyo| | nevermind, don't think I want to know |
| 15:45.57 | Pkekyo| | is hungry :< |
| 15:45.58 | Nandini | i mean from the server's perspective, the combat log range for IoQ overlaps with blade's edge |
| 15:46.10 | bluemangle | Anyone here familiar with Friendminder? |
| 15:46.17 | EvilJohn- | interesting |
| 15:46.18 | Nandini | and netherwing ledge seems to overlap with zangarmarsh |
| 15:46.22 | Pkekyo| | no, but I -am- familiar with your mum! :) |
| 15:46.44 | CIA-39 | 03anea * r68616 10Whisp/ (. embeds.xml): |
| 15:46.44 | CIA-39 | Whisp: |
| 15:46.44 | CIA-39 | - Externals set. |
| 15:46.45 | bluemangle | Pkekyo|: so sorry to hear that.. nothing a topical salve won't handle i'm sure |
| 15:46.56 | Pkekyo| | topical? |
| 15:47.15 | Pkekyo| | also: respect your mother....you filthy creature! |
| 15:47.17 | exor674 | Nandini: I'm pretty sure the Azeroth/Kalimdor "outlands server" locations are above |
| 15:47.18 | EvilJohn- | it's like the opposite of tropical |
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| 15:48.08 | Pkekyo| | >.< |
| 15:48.13 | Nandini | exor674: true, i can stand on the border between ghostlands and EPL and not see combat events from the other side |
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| 15:49.27 | exor674 | as I heard that people fell into... Netherstorm? I think after at one point the boat between Drae place and whereeverbugged out early TBC |
| 15:49.36 | Pkekyo| | holy fucking hell, how can a simple thing like this ( http://www.websitefolder.net/practac/art-8.asp?id=63&iPageID=39 ) cost $300 ?! |
| 15:50.08 | Twist- | Captive audience fee. |
| 15:50.34 | Pkekyo| | Twist-: ? |
| 15:50.36 | Nandini | perhaps manufactured to extremely exacting specifications |
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| 15:51.06 | Grum | Pkekyo|: its moron-fee |
| 15:51.11 | Pkekyo| | not really, it's just a 30mm picatinny rail |
| 15:51.11 | Nandini | and possibly no market competition |
| 15:51.37 | Pkekyo| | it's a standard attachment rail - that's just a little slob of metal to make it taller |
| 15:52.04 | Pkekyo| | bet I could make one if I had a block of metal and the time for it :/ |
| 15:52.13 | Fisker- | time = money |
| 15:52.15 | Grum | sigh |
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| 15:52.23 | Pkekyo| | Fisker-: not when unemployed ;> |
| 15:52.38 | Fisker- | sure it is |
| 15:52.42 | Delorala | anybody has a clue how i get baggins to show gear like this http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_040808_053623.jpg ? |
| 15:53.01 | Grum | Delorala: make the proper bags? |
| 15:53.05 | [Endeavour] | looks like Skinner |
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| 15:53.11 | Pkekyo| | Fisker-: not really... for me this is is what counts: time doing something = less time bored...still broke |
| 15:53.27 | Delorala | theres a standard equipment bag, i thought i have to set up new rules |
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| 15:53.32 | Delorala | but somehow no effect |
| 15:53.38 | Grum | make sure the order is right |
| 15:53.44 | Grum | these rules have to come first |
| 15:53.55 | Grum | if you have the 'the rest'-container first all will go in there |
| 15:54.45 | Delorala | not sure u understood me, i mean like "head", shoulders etc |
| 15:55.10 | Nandini | hmm hidden buffs and debuffs seem to be reflected in the combat log, like warrior stances for example |
| 15:55.31 | Fisker- | oh god Pkekyo| |
| 15:55.33 | Fisker- | I CAN'T STOP |
| 15:55.44 | Fisker- | splurts all over Pkekyo| |
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| 15:55.52 | Fisker- | i hate it when that happens :( |
| 15:56.07 | Delorala | i set up rules... first is Equip Location: Head, second: OR Equip Location Neck and so on |
| 15:56.22 | Delorala | i don't really get how it works :D |
| 15:56.23 | CIA-39 | 03anea * r68617 10Whisp/: |
| 15:56.23 | CIA-39 | Whisp: |
| 15:56.23 | CIA-39 | - Got some paths wrong in the externals >< |
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| 15:57.54 | Grum | yeah but afaik you need to assign new bags that use those rules |
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| 15:59.10 | Pkekyo| | plonks Fisker- |
| 15:59.49 | Delorala | i think i just need Antiarc's config :D |
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| 16:00.48 | Dark_Elf | question: anybody know what addon this is? - http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7097/whataddonyh4.jpg |
| 16:00.49 | Grum | Delorala: just make it yourself? |
| 16:01.05 | Grum | search on 'hud' and pick any >< |
| 16:01.05 | mikma | Dark_Elf: that's the new WoWAce HUD |
| 16:01.19 | mikma | (not the correct title) |
| 16:01.22 | Delorala | Grum i try hard since half an hour - and fail ;D |
| 16:01.25 | Grum | it looks horrid |
| 16:01.29 | Grum | ~fail Delorala |
| 16:01.30 | purl | Delorala, you Fail! |
| 16:01.37 | Grum | aww purl you are too nice |
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| 16:01.44 | Dark_Elf | i know one thing i need to turn it off whatever it is |
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| 16:01.58 | Grum | Dark_Elf: the whole hud? |
| 16:02.14 | Dark_Elf | the bars are kinda annoying |
| 16:02.19 | Grum | lol |
| 16:02.27 | Grum | that is the only reason why you would take that hud O.o |
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| 16:02.48 | kadrahil | do people still use either ctra or ora2 during raids anymore? |
| 16:02.50 | Dark_Elf | but if they can be moved they can become unannoying |
| 16:02.56 | Grum | kadrahil: oRA2 ofc |
| 16:03.03 | Grum | no sane person uses CTRA |
| 16:03.06 | kadrahil | heh |
| 16:03.10 | kadrahil | well i was assuming that |
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| 16:07.27 | ulic | I still run oRA2, not sure why, mostly only use it for Zone Checks :) |
| 16:08.25 | SunTsu | Those Ready check windows are great |
| 16:08.48 | Viper_0000 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784399092&sid=1 |
| 16:08.53 | Viper_0000 | lol i read tht in the middle of class |
| 16:08.56 | Viper_0000 | and burst out laughing like a retard |
| 16:08.57 | Ixnorp | I use oRA2 for the raid cooldown monitoring (rebirth, DI, ankh, etc) |
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| 16:09.06 | ulic | I find the new UF check marks for the ready checks are enough for me. |
| 16:09.37 | CIA-39 | 03durcyn * r68618 10BigBrother/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:09.37 | CIA-39 | BigBrother: |
| 16:09.37 | CIA-39 | - Babble-Spell is dead. Good riddance. |
| 16:09.37 | CIA-39 | - Merge cc break checks into an ipairs loop. |
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| 16:10.49 | Ixnorp | I wish I had a monitor for shorter CDs though so I know what feral to bitch at for an innervate. |
| 16:10.56 | Polarina | How do I configure the amount of TSP iterations in Cartographer_Routes? I have to press press Optimize (with Extra Optimization) before it stops giving me better routes.. |
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| 16:13.20 | Fisker- | fuck blizzard |
| 16:13.32 | Vulcanus | in soviet denmark, blizzard fucks you |
| 16:13.34 | Fisker- | "we need to improve retribution paladins!1" |
| 16:13.49 | durcyn | feh, you paladins can all go dieo |
| 16:13.52 | durcyn | die* |
| 16:13.56 | Fisker- | fuck you retribution paladins is probably the best thing to do as a paladin atm |
| 16:14.12 | Vulcanus | why, so people won't ask you for instances? |
| 16:14.21 | Fisker- | yay i can spec useless for raids and semiuless for tanking |
| 16:14.35 | Fisker- | or i can spec retribution PEW PEW |
| 16:14.54 | Fisker- | semiuseless* |
| 16:15.18 | Ixnorp | yay for jerking off to big numbers in battlegrounds? |
| 16:17.15 | Vulcanus | I happen to find numbers erotic. |
| 16:17.31 | Nocts | ^ |
| 16:17.36 | Cyn1 | monthsbehinds.com we killed illidan |
| 16:17.46 | charon | Vulcanus: let me introduce you to graham... graham, meet vulcanus. |
| 16:17.53 | Vulcanus | I touch myself in maths class. |
| 16:19.00 | Delorala | damn, got it now... baggins is so easy ;) tried it in the wrong place all the time... |
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| 16:22.36 | Vegeta]BT[ | i've got a small problem i think. I would like to change the timestamp format so that there is only hours and minutes shown. I changed it into "[%h:%m] but i got an Error: "Date" Format to long. Can anyone help ? :) |
| 16:22.47 | Vegeta]BT[ | the addon i use is Prat |
| 16:23.37 | Xinhuan | [4/9 00:10:54] <Polarina> How do I configure the amount of TSP iterations in Cartographer_Routes? I have to press press Optimize (with Extra Optimization) before it stops giving me better routes.. |
| 16:23.46 | Xinhuan | hi Polarina, you don't :) |
| 16:24.06 | Xinhuan | it iterates forever until it determines that it can't improve the route anymore |
| 16:24.19 | Xinhuan | this is similar to Microsoft Windows Scandisk (TM) |
| 16:24.53 | Xinhuan | where it goes in passes, of moving files, then compressing data, and repeat |
| 16:24.59 | CIA-39 | 03jerry * r68619 10LibItemBonus-2.0/LibItemBonus-2.0/core.lua: LibItemBonus-2.0: fix upgrading path, thanks Xinhuan. |
| 16:25.02 | Xinhuan | until it thinks the next pass won't improve |
| 16:25.59 | Xinhuan | Also, i suggest you ditch Carto_Routes |
| 16:26.02 | Xinhuan | and download Routes |
| 16:26.43 | Xinhuan | it has new features like node clustering and ability to specify polygonal regions on the map to ignore |
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| 16:27.07 | Fisker- | i hate it when you go up 3-4 fishing skills on one fishing daily :( |
| 16:27.35 | Zhinjio | G"morning, folks. |
| 16:27.40 | Silverstorm | Xinhuan: I did notice with Routes that if I clicked to run TSP again, it would sometimes improve |
| 16:27.46 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 16:27.56 | Xinhuan | because the algorithm relies on the random() function call |
| 16:27.57 | Silverstorm | very minimal improvement...so I generally don't bother anymore :-p |
| 16:28.00 | Xinhuan | a few million of them |
| 16:28.18 | Xinhuan | ants, a few hundred of them, randomly travel from one node to another |
| 16:28.20 | Silverstorm | lol, that makes sense...I couldn't remember my pathing algorithms from CS classes |
| 16:28.34 | Xinhuan | with a probability based on the pheromone trail levels of that edge + inverse distance |
| 16:28.53 | Xinhuan | as the ants find a shorter route, it updates the edges with stronger pheromones |
| 16:29.04 | Xinhuan | but all of this is still based on probability |
| 16:29.16 | Xinhuan | so re-optimizing may yield a shorter route |
| 16:29.16 | Nandini | it's so cute watching baby druids level in bear form from 10-20 |
| 16:29.27 | Xinhuan | or yield a similar length route that is completely different |
| 16:29.44 | Xinhuan | i don't really want 200 people flying on the same exact route you know ;p |
| 16:29.54 | Zorkmid | 43% |
| 16:29.56 | Zorkmid | lol |
| 16:30.24 | Silverstorm | that's true...I don't either |
| 16:31.55 | CIA-39 | 03nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r68620 10Bartender4/Bartender4/ (ActionBars.lua Button.lua ButtonStyle.lua): |
| 16:31.55 | CIA-39 | Bartender4: |
| 16:31.55 | CIA-39 | - re-order button internals, should be easier to apply skins to now. |
| 16:31.55 | CIA-39 | - will flush all keybindings made with keyBound (yeah branch and all :P run s/BT4Button([^:]+):/BT4Button\1Secure:/ on your bindings cache :p ) |
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| 16:32.49 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:29] <Nandini> it's so cute watching baby druids level in bear form from 10-20 <--lol nubs |
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| 16:34.41 | Fisker- | drops out of raid before complaining about droprates on the fishing daily |
| 16:35.06 | Kalroth | lol |
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| 16:35.31 | kenlyric | also make sure you have the quest |
| 16:35.57 | Fisker- | check |
| 16:36.02 | [eu]gunder | erf someone trip on a power cable... several EU battlegroups are down :'( |
| 16:36.03 | Fisker- | also |
| 16:36.09 | Fisker- | almost max skill now :( |
| 16:36.18 | Fisker- | choose a right server [eu]gunder |
| 16:37.11 | [eu]gunder | well i'm currently enjoying a RP-PVP realm with a lvl 5 toon |
| 16:37.37 | [eu]gunder | doesn't seem too differrent from non rp realms! |
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| 16:39.55 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I can press Optimize few times and it will improve the Route even further. And is Carto_Routes compatible with Cartographer and my current data? |
| 16:40.05 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 16:40.19 | Xinhuan | you can't port your routes over (different storage format) |
| 16:40.24 | Xinhuan | but making new routes is just as easy |
| 16:40.34 | Xinhuan | with brand new features |
| 16:40.57 | Xinhuan | Routes works with GatherMate (recommended), Cartographer_<blah> and Gatherer |
| 16:41.28 | Xinhuan | collapse those 654 nodes into 196 travel points! |
| 16:41.53 | Xinhuan | specify a polygonal region called Netherwing Ledge to avoid flying thru it (and ignore all nodes in it)! |
| 16:42.02 | Xinhuan | mark a horde town as out of bounds! |
| 16:42.17 | Xinhuan | includes a FAQ! |
| 16:42.22 | kadrahil | mm |
| 16:42.25 | kadrahil | does bigwigs have pvp timers? |
| 16:42.28 | ckknight | [eu]gunder: oh, it's different |
| 16:42.35 | Xinhuan | nope, get Capping for that |
| 16:42.39 | ckknight | [eu]gunder: they tend to use better grammar and spelling |
| 16:42.51 | kadrahil | Xinhuan: can capping spam timers in bg chat? |
| 16:42.53 | pastamancer | bigwigs isn't for raiding, not pvp |
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| 16:43.03 | pastamancer | and yes it can spam if you click on the timer bars |
| 16:43.06 | kadrahil | ok |
| 16:43.07 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 16:43.09 | [eu]gunder | Still a lot of people have a broken capslock key |
| 16:43.16 | kadrahil | i think i remember it doing that last time i played |
| 16:43.18 | Nocts | Why does bongos3 only allow me to have one actionbar? |
| 16:43.18 | Funkeh` | pastamancer, no it doesn't |
| 16:43.21 | kadrahil | sorry, i've been out of the loop for a while |
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| 16:43.30 | kadrahil | took a long break from wow :) |
| 16:43.30 | pastamancer | Funkeh`: it doesn't? |
| 16:43.31 | Xinhuan | i don't like the spammers anyway |
| 16:43.37 | Funkeh` | pastamancer, I think you mean, bigwigs IS for raiding not pvp |
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| 16:43.48 | pastamancer | Funkeh`: oh, yes |
| 16:43.50 | kadrahil | Xinhuan: well when people in AV keep asking "times on the towers?" |
| 16:43.54 | kadrahil | Xinhuan: it helps |
| 16:43.57 | Funkeh` | and it is designed to be clickthrough so it does not interfere with normal play |
| 16:44.02 | kagaro | pastamancer: how far along in jerry on Grid w/ace3? |
| 16:44.07 | kadrahil | generally speaking though someone else will spam it so i don't have to |
| 16:44.17 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 16:44.23 | pastamancer | kagaro: not sure, haven't talked with jerry about it recently |
| 16:44.27 | CIA-39 | 03zhucc * r68621 10IHML/ (IHML.toc locales/locale-zhTW.lua): |
| 16:44.27 | CIA-39 | IHML: |
| 16:44.27 | CIA-39 | - zhTW update |
| 16:44.33 | [eu]gunder | meh I was 100xp from lvl 58, I want to try Outland! ^ |
| 16:45.01 | Polarina | Xinhuan: xD |
| 16:45.14 | Xinhuan | so i plan to add a HELP page |
| 16:45.16 | Xinhuan | to Routes |
| 16:45.17 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Is it safe to have both installed to try them out? |
| 16:45.21 | Xinhuan | just need time |
| 16:45.29 | Xinhuan | yes, you can have both Carto_routes and ROutes installed |
| 16:45.33 | Xinhuan | they won't interfere with each other |
| 16:45.42 | Xinhuan | you just get LOTS of pink lines from both addons |
| 16:45.44 | Xinhuan | if both are enabled |
| 16:45.56 | Polarina | Xinhuan: What's the SVN name of the addon? |
| 16:45.59 | Xinhuan | and of course, a drop in FPS |
| 16:46.02 | Xinhuan | its just called Routes |
| 16:46.10 | Xinhuan | i.e dropped the Carto_ prefix |
| 16:46.14 | Snago | hehe, a guildie had totally missed the "Optimize" in Routes and deleted the addon as it was "not helping at all" ;) |
| 16:46.16 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 16:46.25 | sag_ich_nicht | lol Snago |
| 16:46.38 | Xinhuan | maybe, i'll add a message on route creation |
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| 16:46.42 | Xinhuan | to the chat frame |
| 16:46.52 | Xinhuan | saying "Hey you need to click on the optimize button" |
| 16:46.56 | Fisker- | bah |
| 16:46.58 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Just don't add "Addon loaded" message, please. :) |
| 16:49.08 | SunTsu | Xinhuan: You could keep people busy for some while. Just add a message to optimization that a better optimization might be reached if they optimize again ;) |
| 16:49.24 | Xinhuan | that's almost tempting |
| 16:49.56 | Nandini | if you do that, you really will end up with 200 ppl flying the same routes if they use an imported database |
| 16:50.03 | sag_ich_nicht | not really |
| 16:50.13 | SunTsu | Nandini: He said it was based on random() ;) |
| 16:50.19 | SunTsu | Or parts of it |
| 16:50.31 | Xinhuan | i've more or less proved that my algorithm will arrive within 3 percent of the optimal solution |
| 16:50.35 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I can't find the configuration for Routes? |
| 16:50.41 | Xinhuan | /routes |
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| 16:50.44 | Xinhuan | (duh) |
| 16:50.45 | Polarina | Thanks. |
| 16:50.47 | sag_ich_nicht | unless you're a dickhead like me and have a script for spamming optimize while you use foreverafk to prevent disconnects |
| 16:51.04 | sag_ich_nicht | :> |
| 16:51.13 | Nandini | no matter how random it is, it is eventually possible to arrive at an optimal solution after sufficient attempts, unless your algorithm intentionally introduces error to avoid that |
| 16:51.35 | Xinhuan | i believe you will like the ace3 config a bit better than rockconfig for routes ;p |
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| 16:53.12 | CIA-39 | 03nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r68622 10Bartender4/Bartender4/Button.lua: Bartender4: texture tweaks |
| 16:55.24 | Polarina | Xinhuan: May I ask for a checkbox for "Ultimate Optimization" which enables a brute-forcing algorithm. |
| 16:55.45 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I like Blizzard's Config more than any other config. :) |
| 16:56.06 | nevcairiel | a brute force algorithm would disconnect you from WoW |
| 16:56.09 | Xinhuan | i think a standard calculator overflows at 69! |
| 16:56.31 | Xinhuan | or is it 63 factorial |
| 16:56.38 | nevcairiel | i think its 69 |
| 16:56.52 | Nocts | Any eepanels alternative? |
| 16:56.58 | nevcairiel | something * 10^99 |
| 16:56.59 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 16:57.01 | Xinhuan | kgpanels |
| 16:57.01 | SunTsu | Nocts: kgpanels |
| 16:57.29 | Nocts | General Sun Tsu was a god. |
| 16:57.47 | Xinhuan | hey nev |
| 16:57.49 | SunTsu | at least he was a good author ;) |
| 16:57.51 | Xinhuan | in ace3 config |
| 16:57.58 | Xinhuan | on the left hand side, the tree |
| 16:58.04 | nevcairiel | 69! = 1.71 * 10^98 |
| 16:58.05 | nevcairiel | hm? |
| 16:58.07 | Xinhuan | the bottom 50 pixels or so seems to be unused |
| 16:58.11 | Xinhuan | for the tree |
| 16:58.24 | Xinhuan | i expanded all my routes/taboos |
| 16:58.25 | nevcairiel | if you wouldve looked at Jira, you wouldve seen that there already is a ticket about that |
| 16:58.33 | Xinhuan | i don't read jira pfft |
| 16:58.37 | Polarina | Xinhuan: How do I specify Taboos? |
| 16:58.38 | Xinhuan | is it easily fixable? |
| 16:58.43 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 16:58.43 | Nocts | haha, I'm trying to pull away from the ace framework for a bit. No non-ace alternatives to eepanels? |
| 16:58.47 | nevcairiel | didnt have time to look at it yet |
| 16:58.48 | Snago | wtb #wowace-jira :P |
| 16:58.56 | Xinhuan | Polarina: create one first, and go to taboo -> (zone) -> (taboo name) |
| 16:59.02 | Xinhuan | you see 4 buttons with instructinos above them |
| 16:59.10 | nevcairiel | its probably just a height value set wrong |
| 16:59.12 | SunTsu | Nocts: Well, then #wowace is definitivly the point to start, yes ;) |
| 16:59.17 | nevcairiel | due to the new height after reskinning it |
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| 16:59.42 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Found it. :) |
| 17:00.03 | Xinhuan | you edit them by opening your world map |
| 17:00.09 | Xinhuan | (hopefully to the correct zone) |
| 17:00.17 | Xinhuan | after you click the edit button |
| 17:00.24 | Xinhuan | you see a triangle with 3 vertexes |
| 17:00.28 | Xinhuan | you drag them around |
| 17:00.44 | Xinhuan | to insert a vertex into the polygon, you right click on a vertex and, add node! |
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| 17:01.08 | Xinhuan | very simple, then go back to /routes and Save the taboo |
| 17:01.26 | Xinhuan | and then go to a route in that zone's config to attach the taboo to a route |
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| 17:03.06 | Xinhuan | then of course, you need to reoptimize the route after attaching the taboo region |
| 17:03.24 | Xinhuan | the taboo region can be as complex as you want, i've tried one with 200+ nodes |
| 17:03.35 | Xinhuan | including criss-crossing itself |
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| 17:06.45 | Polarina | Xinhuan: :P |
| 17:07.05 | Julith | antiarc: I suggest to remove the "Cann glance" flag as an displayable spell-flag and just use it to ignore the damage of glancing blows in the code |
| 17:07.08 | Xinhuan | there's a minor bug in the shading algorithm ;p |
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| 17:07.13 | Xinhuan | i didn't bother to fix it |
| 17:08.00 | Xinhuan | most people won't come across it anyway, unless they try really hard to break it |
| 17:08.14 | Xinhuan | the fix is to do a coordinate nudging |
| 17:08.19 | Polarina | Xinhuan: But let us say I want a route of my nodes across the entire of Outland, how do I accomplish that? |
| 17:08.37 | Xinhuan | i currently have no plans to suppose inter-zone routes |
| 17:08.52 | Xinhuan | and i'm declining requests to make routes for ancestry coins and bunny eggs |
| 17:08.59 | Xinhuan | support* |
| 17:09.27 | Zhinjio | cuz thats just how he rolls. |
| 17:10.08 | nevcairiel | ancestry would still be so awesome :( |
| 17:10.31 | Polarina | Xinhuan: If you have time, could you be so kind to implement it for me? :) |
| 17:10.35 | Xinhuan | no :) |
| 17:10.38 | Zhinjio | I spent an immense amount of time getting every single one the first time that event happened. |
| 17:10.40 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Why? |
| 17:10.47 | Zhinjio | what did I get for my trouble? Nothing. |
| 17:10.47 | Dashkal | pastamancer: ping |
| 17:11.00 | Xinhuan | would require implementing cross-zone coordinate translation, parent/child continent relationship |
| 17:11.02 | Xinhuan | and all sorts of crap |
| 17:11.03 | nevcairiel | one could even create travel pathes, like flight ways with time it takes to run them, then walking mounted on the street with timing, and routes tells me whats the fastest! |
| 17:11.04 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 17:11.07 | pastamancer | Dashkal: pong |
| 17:11.21 | Xinhuan | and make taboo regions even more complicated |
| 17:11.33 | Dashkal | I've got the code mostly done, just need one thing: When do I do the initial update? I'm having trouble making the indicator show up when you /rl while in a party |
| 17:11.37 | Polarina | Xinhuan: If you have time and you're really, really bored, would you be so kind to implement it for me? :) |
| 17:11.49 | Xinhuan | i won't be bored for a very very long time |
| 17:11.53 | ben_ | So hey guys I want to write an addon |
| 17:11.56 | ben_ | Which framework should I use? |
| 17:12.20 | Dashkal | ben_ what are you trying to do with it? (scope should be a factor in your chosen framework) |
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| 17:12.40 | Nanaki | how long does it typically take for SNV access to be granted/denied? |
| 17:12.43 | Nanaki | SVN* |
| 17:12.51 | pastamancer | Dashkal: on the Grid_UnitJoined event? |
| 17:13.23 | Dashkal | pastamancer: That'll fire shortly after a reload (and more importantly late enough that it'll work)? |
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| 17:13.54 | pastamancer | Nanaki: Dashkal yeah, that's fired when someone joins your group |
| 17:14.16 | pastamancer | bah |
| 17:14.26 | pastamancer | Dashkal: or you could just listen to PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED |
| 17:14.41 | Dashkal | I've managed to trigger for that just fine (using the blizzard event) the problem is the "initial" status. Specific case is reloading the UI while already in a party. I can't get the party leader indicator to fire because I'm trying to SendStatusGained() too soon |
| 17:14.54 | pastamancer | Nanaki: when did you send an email to the google group? |
| 17:14.56 | ben_ | Dashkal: I basically just need to coordinate a bunch of inter-player-communication |
| 17:15.04 | ben_ | At some point I want to parse quest offers from NPCs, I guess |
| 17:15.04 | Polarina | Xinhuan: :) |
| 17:15.06 | Nanaki | yesterday afternoon |
| 17:15.23 | ben_ | I need to keep track of stuff and check the server time |
| 17:15.32 | pastamancer | Dashkal: oh, if you want to make sure Grid is ready, try Grid_Enabled |
| 17:15.43 | Nanaki | (im central time US) |
| 17:15.51 | Dashkal | pastamancer: hmm, tried that but I may be triggering incorrectly. I'll poke at it again on my lunch break. danke |
| 17:16.25 | Dashkal | ben_: Sounds pretty simple, give ace3 a look: http://wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon |
| 17:16.28 | pastamancer | Dashkal: pastey what you have at some point |
| 17:16.42 | ben_ | So "pretty simple" means Ace3? What do I use for "pretty horribly complicated" addons? |
| 17:16.52 | Dashkal | Ace3 is light and minimal |
| 17:17.03 | ben_ | That is what every framework says |
| 17:17.10 | Dashkal | Had you needed the functionality it offers, I would have suggested Rock. Had you needed less, I would have suggested nothing at all |
| 17:17.13 | Xinhuan | Ace3 can also be used for complicated addons :) |
| 17:17.17 | Nanaki | which IRC client are you using that allows you to enter someone's name you are responding to? |
| 17:17.25 | Dashkal | Other people will have other suggestions :p |
| 17:17.39 | pastamancer | Nanaki: most of them let you type a few letters and hit TAB to complete |
| 17:18.01 | Dashkal | The best advice I can give is to write yourself a small "hello world" addon bare (no framework) with ace3, and with rock and see which one "feels" most intuitive to the way you think |
| 17:18.04 | ben_ | So Rock is not light and minimal? |
| 17:18.16 | Nanaki | pastamancer: ooo nice. im using trillian. i didnt realize that would work. |
| 17:18.50 | Dashkal | It's not minimal, no. It tries to provide common functionality for a looser definition of common than ace3 (ace3 is really bare, but does the stuff almost every addon needs). |
| 17:19.02 | Nanaki | pastamancer: anyhow i sent the app in maybe 18 hours ago. was just curious what the usual wait was |
| 17:19.25 | ben_ | What is the deal with table recycling? |
| 17:19.26 | pastamancer | Nanaki: I don't see your email :( |
| 17:19.27 | Xinhuan | dw |
| 17:19.35 | ben_ | Do I need to take care of that? Why does the WoW API not do it by default? |
| 17:19.35 | Nanaki | it's from wowace@deblander.org |
| 17:19.37 | Dashkal | steps aside for that question |
| 17:19.49 | pastamancer | Nanaki: ah |
| 17:20.00 | Nanaki | pastamancer: i may not have included my username in the email.. in which case that's my fault |
| 17:20.06 | pastamancer | Nanaki: in that case I do see it |
| 17:20.24 | Nanaki | pastamancer: can you append that to it ? :-D |
| 17:20.41 | ben_ | Is there a rock tutorial so I can compare it to the ace3 tutorial, or do I have to figure it out from the API docs? |
| 17:21.06 | Xinhuan | you will need to figure it out from the ROck source code |
| 17:21.13 | ben_ | Okay, Ace3 it is |
| 17:21.14 | Xinhuan | most of the docs are in there |
| 17:21.17 | Xinhuan | in comments |
| 17:21.27 | Dashkal | Sadly there is no rock tutorial. *snickers*. Rock is pretty well documented |
| 17:21.28 | pastamancer | ben_: it's best to re-use what would otherwise be temporary tables if they usually contain less than 100 or so entries |
| 17:22.00 | Xinhuan | i've coded in both Ace2, Ace3 and Rock, they are similar to each other |
| 17:22.04 | ben_ | Dashkal: I never had tried to use an addon framework for a nontrivial addon. I have no idea where to start or what all the libraries are for. |
| 17:22.13 | ben_ | pastamancer: Why is that? |
| 17:22.34 | Nanaki | which way is the Ace community moving btw? It seems like there is Ace2, Ace3 and Rock. are the libs between Ace2, Ace3 and Rock shared? i thought one of the ideas of Ace was to have a common set of libs. |
| 17:22.43 | Dashkal | ben_ follow the tutorial I linked for ace3, it'll get you on your feet |
| 17:22.50 | pastamancer | Nanaki: what's your forum username? |
| 17:22.57 | ben_ | Dashkal: Doing that right now. |
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| 17:23.03 | Nanaki | hmm i only h ave one on Wiki i htink |
| 17:23.19 | pastamancer | ben_: because it'll take less cpu time to empty the table than it would to garbage-collect it |
| 17:23.21 | Dashkal | Nanki: ace2 is deprecated, ace3 is ace2 stripped down, rock is ace2 cleaned up (but left comprehensive) |
| 17:23.26 | Dashkal | nanaki* |
| 17:24.57 | ben_ | Do I have to do the whole embeddable libraries thing or can I just regularly depend on them? |
| 17:25.22 | Dashkal | ben_: if you are using ace3, embedded is the preferred route as people do not often have ace3 itself installed standalone |
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| 17:25.42 | Arrowmaster | embedded is the preferred way for all |
| 17:26.09 | Xinhuan | disembedded is what we call "for power users" |
| 17:26.16 | Xinhuan | "that know what they are doing" |
| 17:26.43 | Dashkal | Does ace3 provide any developer services when disembedded? |
| 17:26.46 | Nanaki | pastamancer: it would appear i have a forum account user name - jared0x90 |
| 17:27.04 | Arrowmaster | a shitty /print |
| 17:27.24 | ag` | Dashkal: no, and it shouldn't, it's a lib |
| 17:27.39 | ag` | get a dev addon if you want dev services |
| 17:27.59 | Dashkal | eh, perspective. given that it's intended to be used embedded, throwing power users a bone doesn't hurt |
| 17:28.15 | Xinhuan | what kind of developer tools are you thinking about |
| 17:28.21 | pastamancer | the ace2 print was huuuuuge |
| 17:28.34 | Dashkal | I had nothing specific in mind, hence the question |
| 17:28.47 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.54 | Xinhuan | well there's nothing in particular that a developer would need, apart from /print, /dump and /rl |
| 17:28.59 | Nanaki | pastamancer: i gotta get back to work my lunch break is over. ill check back in a bit. username of Forum is jared0x90 though. |
| 17:30.03 | Dashkal | pastamancer: http://ace.pastey.net/85338 |
| 17:30.15 | CIA-39 | 03julith * r68623 10MobSpells/ (MobSpells.toc localization/deDE.lua): MobSpells: Added german localization |
| 17:30.23 | Dashkal | line 224ish is where I'm trying to get my initial trigger (that's the event registration) |
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| 17:31.24 | CIA-39 | 03elsia * r68624 10Recount/ (GUI_Main.lua LazySync.lua Recount.lua Tracker.lua): |
| 17:31.24 | CIA-39 | Recount: |
| 17:31.24 | CIA-39 | - More aggressive not retaining filtered unit types, this should keep data size significantly lower. |
| 17:31.24 | CIA-39 | - Changed defaults so that nontrivial mobs are not collected by default. This will reduce data size in typical use situations. |
| 17:31.24 | CIA-39 | - If a combatant type isn't shown or data collected via filter settings for 30 seconds he will be deleted. Again should reduce typical data size. |
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| 17:32.12 | Dashkal | (aside, yes, yes I know I'm horribly abusing AceOO with that update() function, it'll get fixed) |
| 17:33.58 | CIA-39 | 03benumbed * r68625 10DaHud/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:33.58 | CIA-39 | DaHud: |
| 17:33.58 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.58 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: something about pet aggro is weird, i'm doing an /omen clear and still seing a pet in the aggro list |
| 17:35.26 | sag_ich_nicht | (happened at kazzak) |
| 17:35.43 | Xinhuan | what's weirder is that i'm seeing entire realms switching to using KTM over omen, because KTM is more accurate and bugfree |
| 17:36.06 | pastamancer | Dashkal: and it works except when you reload your ui? |
| 17:36.13 | Dashkal | yes |
| 17:36.18 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: lol |
| 17:36.19 | Vulcanus | Xinhuan, Id never let my guild do that :p |
| 17:36.29 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.33 | nevcairiel | KTM isnt bugfree *shrug |
| 17:36.40 | Xinhuan | its not exactly under your control ;p |
| 17:36.42 | nevcairiel | but let everyone use what fits them |
| 17:36.43 | Ozguli | my new guild seems to use that |
| 17:36.48 | Xinhuan | if everyone on the server switches |
| 17:36.53 | Xinhuan | you likely need it instaleld too, for pugs |
| 17:37.01 | nevcairiel | screw pugs, srsly |
| 17:37.01 | Ozguli | maybe I can try to have them switch to omen |
| 17:37.04 | Vulcanus | as if I do pugs XD |
| 17:37.18 | Vulcanus | besides Im an officer in my guild so I can control it at some level, I know the GM too :p |
| 17:37.19 | nevcairiel | as if you need threat meters for 5 or 10 man pugs |
| 17:37.37 | Ozguli | They kind of respect me after reading my guild application >_> |
| 17:37.42 | pastamancer | Dashkal: calling update from OnEnable really should work |
| 17:37.53 | _rane | any ideas why my chat frame's font changes every time i reload ui? :p |
| 17:38.03 | ben_ | Is there a way to figure out details about the quest that caused QUEST_DETAIL to be fired? |
| 17:38.06 | keiss | Can someone confirm that after putting something with charges in gbank (like mana oil) it says 1charge when in the gbank even if it has 5 ? |
| 17:38.08 | ben_ | Do I have to step through the quest frame? |
| 17:38.10 | Dashkal | hmm... what happens is the code fires (Grid:Print() statements in update() are working) but the status icon simply doesn't appear |
| 17:38.15 | ben_ | keiss: Happens to us too |
| 17:38.16 | Bruners | any good with math? :P i want to take 1.71% of 2.1 |
| 17:38.23 | Dashkal | Swatter doesn't catch anything either |
| 17:38.38 | ben_ | Bruners: 0.0171 * 2.1 |
| 17:38.39 | Vulcanus | Bruners, 2.1 / 100 * 1.71 |
| 17:38.43 | keiss | weird bug idd |
| 17:38.44 | Xinhuan | keiss, happens with any storage addon as well |
| 17:38.46 | pastamancer | Dashkal: turn on debugging for GridStatus |
| 17:38.53 | Xinhuan | if you have a 4 charge oil in your bank |
| 17:38.56 | Dashkal | kk, will do (how?) |
| 17:39.00 | Xinhuan | and you use a bank addon to view it from any location |
| 17:39.03 | Xinhuan | it will say 1 charge too |
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| 17:39.55 | pastamancer | Dashkal: /grid debug GridStatus |
| 17:40.05 | nevcairiel | anyway, let everyone switch to KTM if they want, Omen will win them back when its stable and fully fletched out again, its still superior, just that Antiarc lacks the time Kenco probably has :P |
| 17:40.14 | Bruners | thanks, i forgot a 0 its seems :S |
| 17:40.27 | ben_ | Ahaha, people are still using KTM? |
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| 17:40.35 | Dashkal | meep, is there a line to edit to make it start on? By the time I can /grid it works fine |
| 17:40.50 | pastamancer | Dashkal: it gets saved |
| 17:41.05 | Dashkal | ahh, perfect. thank you for the help. I'll get back to you when I can work on it |
| 17:41.19 | pastamancer | also, YourModule.debug is special, I'd suggest using a different name in your module |
| 17:41.36 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I found a bug in Cartographer. |
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| 17:41.51 | Xinhuan | the author is ckknight :) |
| 17:41.53 | Dashkal | will do. I just made that to give me access to update (moves that up a level to GridStatusParty.update()) |
| 17:42.05 | ckknight | Polarina: what's the bug related to? |
| 17:42.19 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I had a Fel Iron Deposit node and when it became a Khorium Deposit, Cartographer DELETED the Fel Iron Deposit and marked it as Adamentite Deposit. |
| 17:42.22 | Polarina | ckknight: :) |
| 17:42.34 | Xinhuan | that's not a cartographer bug |
| 17:42.38 | what-K | hi all i look for an addon that when i will type a name only the first tree chars and then with tab it look self for the rest |
| 17:42.44 | Xinhuan | that's a cartographer_mining bug |
| 17:42.49 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Or that. |
| 17:42.54 | Xinhuan | i.e bring it up to kagaro |
| 17:43.01 | kagaro | huh |
| 17:43.05 | Polarina | kagaro: :) |
| 17:43.06 | nevcairiel | i dont think kagaro really cares about talismonger anymore :P |
| 17:43.23 | kagaro | talismonger just does node detection, |
| 17:43.36 | Xinhuan | now in any case, i'm a self-advertiser and i would encourage you to drop cartographer_<profs> and get GatherMate :) |
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| 17:43.51 | what-K | i mean the first thre chars and then with tab auto |
| 17:43.52 | nevcairiel | i concur with Xinhuan |
| 17:43.52 | kagaro | ^^ Xinhuan |
| 17:44.17 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: does GatherMate integrate with Chin(can't spell his minimap addon) and Cartographer? |
| 17:44.19 | kagaro | and nevcairiel |
| 17:44.27 | Xinhuan | yes gathermate integrates with chinchilla |
| 17:44.43 | Fisker- | aaah |
| 17:44.47 | nevcairiel | imho the question asks in the wrong direction |
| 17:44.47 | Fisker- | supremus down before enrage :DD |
| 17:44.47 | ckknight | Chinchilla doesn't do anything funky to prevent other addons from working |
| 17:44.52 | Xinhuan | i added code to even let the gathermate icons hook onto chinchilla's minimap expander |
| 17:44.54 | Dashkal | I'm pretty in love with my carto/carto_mining/carto_routes/chin combo |
| 17:44.59 | ckknight | who makes GatherMate and the like, btw? |
| 17:45.29 | Xinhuan | gathermate is written by nevcairiel, me, kagaro ;p |
| 17:45.45 | ckknight | okay |
| 17:45.51 | Xinhuan | and a small tiny bit by ammo |
| 17:46.00 | ckknight | curse that handsome devil |
| 17:46.10 | Cheads | hehe |
| 17:46.23 | ckknight | :-P |
| 17:46.25 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Why should I change when what I have works fine for me? |
| 17:46.33 | Xinhuan | now the main features of GatherMate is that... it uses half the memory (like 3 mbs less) |
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| 17:46.37 | Xinhuan | and half the CPU |
| 17:46.39 | nevcairiel | Polarina: you just reported a bug, so its not 100% fine, no? |
| 17:46.50 | ckknight | in any event, I'm working on map stuff, wondering about the feasibility of having things like GatherMate, etc. eventually interact nicely |
| 17:46.50 | kagaro | mines uses < 1.3 megs |
| 17:46.54 | Polarina | nevcairiel: You can't except anything to be bug-free. |
| 17:47.07 | Xinhuan | you can customize the colours of each tracking circle, even its transparency |
| 17:47.14 | Xinhuan | so you can have red circles for mining |
| 17:47.18 | Xinhuan | yellow for fishing |
| 17:47.22 | Xinhuan | and so on |
| 17:47.28 | kagaro | pink is better for fishing circles imho |
| 17:47.31 | ckknight | (new addon, not Cartographer2) |
| 17:47.34 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I don't want to drop Cartographer. |
| 17:47.40 | Xinhuan | you don't have to |
| 17:47.44 | Xinhuan | GatherMate works with Cartographer |
| 17:47.49 | nevcairiel | GatherMate was designed to work with any map mod we could find |
| 17:47.52 | Dashkal | mmm, will have to test that |
| 17:47.54 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Like a plugin? |
| 17:47.55 | ckknight | Polarina: just turn off Cartographer's Mining and Herbing modules, use Gathermate instead |
| 17:47.56 | nevcairiel | unless they start breakign the defualt map |
| 17:48.01 | Xinhuan | you only need to ditch Cartographer_Mining/herbalism/FIshing/etc |
| 17:48.03 | Dashkal | carto_routes is deprecated now isn't it? |
| 17:48.07 | ckknight | nevcairiel: it doesn't use the default map |
| 17:48.08 | Xinhuan | i.e the profession plugins |
| 17:48.12 | ckknight | nevcairiel: it makes a new frame |
| 17:48.24 | chiper | what advantage does gathermate provide over cartographer's own tracking? |
| 17:48.27 | ckknight | nevcairiel: it doesn't act like the default map at all, it acts more like Google maps |
| 17:48.30 | ckknight | nevcairiel: thus the complications. |
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| 17:48.40 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Will I lose my Cartographer_Mining data? |
| 17:48.43 | Dashkal | ckknight: Yatlas style? |
| 17:48.45 | what-K | Gives an Adoon that when i type three chars of a name and the press tab that completes the full name ? |
| 17:48.50 | nevcairiel | Polarina: there is a import addon |
| 17:48.51 | Xinhuan | you can import them with GatherMate_CartImport |
| 17:48.56 | kergoth | a new yatlas would kick ass |
| 17:48.57 | Dashkal | what-K: I think a prat module does that |
| 17:48.57 | kergoth | i miss it |
| 17:49.04 | what-K | Dashkal danke |
| 17:49.06 | Xinhuan | or import from GatherMate_Data (wowhead scrape) |
| 17:49.09 | ckknight | Dashkal: you can switch between Blizz Art and Yatlas-style |
| 17:49.10 | what-K | sry thanks |
| 17:49.12 | Dashkal | I don't know for sure, but I know I have it |
| 17:49.14 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Wowhead is inaccurate. |
| 17:49.27 | Xinhuan | yep but like i said, you can import from cart_<profs> |
| 17:49.41 | Xinhuan | and have you see gatherer's hud? |
| 17:49.49 | Dashkal | hmm, I'll give GM a serious look tonight then. |
| 17:49.54 | Xinhuan | there is a support addon called GatherHud for GatherMate that looks like that too, but better |
| 17:50.12 | Fisker- | my guild owns |
| 17:50.17 | Fisker- | supremus down before enrage |
| 17:50.18 | Fisker- | rawr |
| 17:50.20 | Xinhuan | the tracking is the same as carto_<profs>, but you can set your own cleanup distance |
| 17:50.20 | kergoth | i think the only thing gatherhud doesnt have that gartherer's hud had was the "trail" showing wher eyou went, but i dunno how useful that really is |
| 17:50.30 | nevcairiel | well our WorldMap code is very simple right now, because its just displaying the full zone, and nothing else. no zooming etc, not sure how hard it would be to add zooming and free-movement to support a yatlas like map |
| 17:50.33 | Arrowmaster | Fisker- ...... |
| 17:50.38 | Xinhuan | the trail is meaningless if you use Routes kergoth ;p |
| 17:50.44 | kergoth | hehe, true |
| 17:50.45 | ckknight | nevcairiel: btw, care to see my new addon? |
| 17:50.51 | ckknight | nevcairiel: it's one of those "ooh shiny" things |
| 17:51.01 | Dashkal | gimme routes. don't even need a waypoint (I can follow a line :p ) |
| 17:51.03 | Xinhuan | how many % is it done ckknight? |
| 17:51.10 | Xinhuan | i'm interested hehe |
| 17:51.19 | Bruners | ckknight: shiny addon what? |
| 17:51.23 | nevcairiel | is it supposed to replace the default map or just some additional eye candy? |
| 17:51.39 | ckknight | you can zoom, drag, yatlas-style maps, blizz textures, upon hovering over a zone, it switches to overlay mode (or yatlas style, depending) |
| 17:51.46 | Xinhuan | i think it will be useful for questing addons |
| 17:51.46 | Fisker- | we did it Arrowmaster >* |
| 17:51.48 | Fisker- | :( |
| 17:51.52 | Xinhuan | to attach to |
| 17:51.59 | CIA-39 | 03julith 07Julith * r68626 10MobSpells/ (9 files in 3 dirs): MobSpells: updated to trunks version of revision 68623 |
| 17:52.00 | Fisker- | it was lolwut Arrowmaster |
| 17:52.05 | Xinhuan | how close is it done ck? |
| 17:52.05 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: your suppost to kill him in less than 10 minutes |
| 17:52.06 | Fisker- | like 10 seconds left |
| 17:52.13 | Fisker- | 5 people up or so :( |
| 17:52.13 | ckknight | Xinhuan: seeing as I started it on Saturday... |
| 17:52.14 | ckknight | :-P |
| 17:52.19 | ckknight | Xinhuan: it's nowhere near done |
| 17:52.21 | Xinhuan | aha, but you work fast |
| 17:52.33 | ckknight | Xinhuan, nevcairiel, what's your emails? |
| 17:52.57 | Gnarfoz | wtb parrot2 :'-( |
| 17:53.03 | Xinhuan | the other channel |
| 17:53.07 | Gnarfoz | (or an awesome new map addon, whatev :)) |
| 17:53.20 | *** join/#wowace dylanm (n=dylanm@adsl-76-232-134-58.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:53.28 | nevcairiel | mail at nevcairiel.net should work |
| 17:54.04 | ckknight | Gnarfoz: email? |
| 17:54.11 | nevcairiel | anyway hoping under the shower, brb |
| 17:54.13 | Arrowmaster | xri://=Arrowmaster/(+email) |
| 17:54.51 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 17:55.03 | Xinhuan | i typed my email in the other channel we're in since i'm lazy |
| 17:55.04 | Arrowmaster | what its my email |
| 17:55.24 | kagaro | ck, send me a copy i wana take a look |
| 17:55.28 | ckknight | Xinhuan: got it |
| 17:55.35 | ckknight | kagaro: your nick at gmail? |
| 17:55.36 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: gnarfoz@ gmail.com |
| 17:55.39 | kagaro | sal.scotto |
| 17:55.45 | Arrowmaster | you can replace the xri:// with http://xri.net/ if you fail |
| 17:55.54 | kagaro | i need to go make a kagaro@gmail alias |
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| 17:56.52 | Xinhuan | quite an unconventional protocol Arrowmaster |
| 17:56.53 | Cheads | =) |
| 17:56.58 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: I can't figure this shit out, just /msg me |
| 17:57.01 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: no its not |
| 17:57.02 | Xinhuan | at least irc:// is more conventional |
| 17:57.24 | Arrowmaster | xri is the future |
| 17:57.31 | Fisker- | fucking awesum Arrowmaster |
| 17:57.35 | Xinhuan | time for me to design xin:// |
| 17:58.41 | Xinhuan | so anyway, that's pretty neat, it opened up my email |
| 17:58.47 | Xinhuan | to Arrowmaster |
| 17:59.02 | Arrowmaster | because i put a mailto: in the redirect |
| 17:59.08 | Arrowmaster | try it without the (+email) |
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| 17:59.22 | Cheads | Mapster is still alive and kicking? |
| 17:59.32 | Fisker- | i figured the shit out |
| 17:59.35 | Fisker- | and i owned |
| 17:59.44 | Julith | can I use the GUID of an unit as "unit"-parameter of the "Unit***()"-functions? |
| 17:59.53 | kergoth | Julith: no |
| 17:59.59 | kergoth | guid != unit |
| 18:00.00 | Xinhuan | well this looks like a unconventional way to drop a message |
| 18:00.25 | Julith | k |
| 18:00.52 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont really like it and thats why i put in the (+email) forwarder |
| 18:00.56 | Polarina | Julith: You can extract the mob ID from the GUID. |
| 18:01.27 | Arrowmaster | if i had something better i could make it point to any site i wanted |
| 18:01.39 | kergoth | i doubt the mob is going to give Julith what they're looking for |
| 18:01.42 | kergoth | mob id, rather |
| 18:01.54 | Polarina | kergoth: Ah.. I read wrong. |
| 18:01.56 | dylanm | Wait, what's the mob id? |
| 18:02.09 | Julith | actually the mob is a player |
| 18:02.37 | kergoth | dylanm: only player guids stay the same, mob guids change, different for each spawn iirc. the mob id part of it is just the identifier for that mob, afaik |
| 18:02.38 | ckknight | dylanm: for npcs, each unique npc type (e.g. Young Wolf, Timber Wolf) has a different id. |
| 18:02.45 | Julith | meaning the GUID of interrest targets a player, but doesn't matter anyway, I can live without it :) |
| 18:02.50 | Fisker- | players cant be mobs >o |
| 18:03.15 | dylanm | That's exciting. |
| 18:03.42 | dylanm | I don't suppose any of the database sites have those mapped? |
| 18:03.50 | ckknight | dylanm: yes they do |
| 18:03.53 | kergoth | i just wish the SetHyperlink("unit", ) worked with the mob id rather than the guid, would be handy |
| 18:03.54 | dylanm | Hot. |
| 18:04.10 | ckknight | dylanm: I've been rewriting cgProfiler (my version's CurseProfiler 2.0) to use those ids and the like |
| 18:04.15 | Fisker- | you can always mine the questlog kergoth >O |
| 18:04.16 | Fisker- | :O |
| 18:04.19 | Nandini | kergoth: but there is no "mob" there are only instances of mobs |
| 18:04.21 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 18:04.28 | Julith | well, but you get GUID as parameter for source and destination for combat-events |
| 18:04.33 | Julith | which can be players |
| 18:04.34 | kergoth | Nandini: yeah, i know.. i didn't say i ever expected it to happen, but.. :) |
| 18:04.48 | dylanm | Is the extraction of that documented anywhere? I suppose I'll have to poke around. |
| 18:05.06 | kergoth | dylanm: steal the function from mobspells, thats what i did when i wanted to play with it :P |
| 18:05.11 | Nandini | dylanm: most of the db sites have extracted this info from the dbc files within wow's mpq archives |
| 18:05.13 | kergoth | its just a string.sub |
| 18:05.45 | ckknight | Nandini: I have to get the positions and a few other details ingame, most of it is stolen from the WDB files, though |
| 18:06.09 | dylanm | I should also look at whatever compression Antiarc is doing on his GUIDs. |
| 18:06.19 | dylanm | It is a new era. |
| 18:06.44 | Xinhuan | all it does is |
| 18:06.47 | ckknight | dylanm: he just turns the hex chars into bytes |
| 18:06.53 | ckknight | "ff" => "\255" |
| 18:06.53 | Fisker- | dbc files doesn't contain npc's |
| 18:06.53 | Xinhuan | take the 0x124582948294092 |
| 18:06.59 | dylanm | Oh :p |
| 18:07.03 | Xinhuan | and take every 2 digits |
| 18:07.09 | Xinhuan | and does a string.byte() on it |
| 18:07.22 | Xinhuan | then it remaps \255, \0 and : and = to something else |
| 18:07.22 | Nandini | oh i thought people were talking about spell data |
| 18:07.22 | Arrowmaster | i take all the credit for that |
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| 18:07.41 | Xinhuan | and i take credit for optimizing it ^^ |
| 18:07.53 | Arrowmaster | mine was optimized |
| 18:08.00 | kergoth | ah, does it make it a number then? |
| 18:08.06 | Fisker- | you can datamine the npc's though |
| 18:08.11 | Xinhuan | nah it just reduces 16 bytes into 8 bytes |
| 18:08.13 | Fisker- | by haxing teh files |
| 18:08.19 | Xinhuan | in the worst case, 16 bytes is reduced to 16 bytes |
| 18:08.22 | Xinhuan | i.e no compression |
| 18:08.23 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:08.50 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was reducing it to 6 bytes |
| 18:08.50 | Xinhuan | 5 gsubs isn't optimal Arrowmaster |
| 18:09.04 | Arrowmaster | mine never had 5 gsubs |
| 18:09.05 | Xinhuan | the padding system is discarded |
| 18:09.13 | Xinhuan | because there are issues with it |
| 18:09.13 | Arrowmaster | ~logs |
| 18:09.14 | purl | i guess logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 18:09.26 | kergoth | are you making it base 26 instead of 16? seems like thatd be a decent way to go |
| 18:09.38 | Xinhuan | no base 256 instead of 16 |
| 18:09.39 | ckknight | base 64 ftw, baby |
| 18:09.49 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:09.53 | kergoth | better yet |
| 18:09.56 | Xinhuan | with special characters lke \0 and \255 changed to other escape codes |
| 18:09.58 | kergoth | doesn't need to be printable |
| 18:09.59 | kergoth | nods |
| 18:10.12 | kergoth | nifty |
| 18:10.51 | Xinhuan | its done once per GUID |
| 18:10.54 | Arrowmaster | http://ace.pastey.net/84539 |
| 18:10.59 | Arrowmaster | theres my original one |
| 18:11.05 | Fisker- | btw Antiarc |
| 18:11.06 | Arrowmaster | anti added all the damn gsubs |
| 18:11.11 | CIA-39 | 03nevcairiel 07Ace3 * r68627 10Bartender4/Bartender4/PetBar.lua: Bartender4: fix bug in keybinding mode with empty pet buttons |
| 18:11.40 | Fisker- | my friend says you are stupid because you made so many changes to the threat protocol |
| 18:11.40 | Fisker- | :P |
| 18:11.50 | Xinhuan | your original code doesn't work because \0 and \255 cannot be transmitted |
| 18:11.51 | ben_ | How do pvp and dungeon dailies work? |
| 18:11.58 | ben_ | Are they always the same across different realms? |
| 18:11.59 | Xinhuan | and : and = symbols were used as delimiters |
| 18:12.02 | Vulcanus | is Bartender4 getting more stable now nev? |
| 18:12.02 | ben_ | Across the two factions on the same realm? |
| 18:12.05 | ben_ | Across the battlegroup? |
| 18:12.15 | Xinhuan | so your original code needs to be modified with gsubs() |
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| 18:12.23 | nevcairiel | Vulcanus: its been "stable" for a month now, at least i've been raiding with it for quite soem time now |
| 18:12.37 | dylanm | They're different for every server, I think. |
| 18:12.39 | Nandini | i've been using it too with no ill effects |
| 18:12.41 | kergoth | you can change all that with one gsub, no? using a table of replacements? |
| 18:12.41 | Vulcanus | nice :D |
| 18:12.55 | nevcairiel | Nandini: i wiped your keybindings today :P |
| 18:12.58 | Vulcanus | last time I asked (to be fair it was ages ago) you said not to touch ^^ hehe |
| 18:13.00 | Xinhuan | yep you can |
| 18:13.02 | Nandini | yes i noticed |
| 18:13.05 | Dashkal | wait what? 0x00 and 0xFF are reserved in SendAddonMessage()? |
| 18:13.09 | Nandini | but i saw how to get them back :) |
| 18:13.12 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: no only \0 is |
| 18:13.21 | Xinhuan | \0 is reserved by sendaddonmessage |
| 18:13.36 | Nandini | i only use 3 bars anyway, so my bindings are simple to recreate |
| 18:13.37 | nevcairiel | but because 0 is quite common |
| 18:13.39 | Dashkal | bleh, I hadn't considered that |
| 18:13.42 | nevcairiel | anti encodes 0 to 255 |
| 18:13.51 | nevcairiel | and 255 and his delimters to some double-byte |
| 18:13.51 | Xinhuan | \255 is used by some other purpose by antiarc |
| 18:14.01 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Your TSP algorithm (With Extra Optimization enabled) made a path with crossing lines. |
| 18:14.02 | Xinhuan | so \255 is then remapped to a 2 byte sequence |
| 18:14.12 | Xinhuan | Polarina, just hit optimize again ;p |
| 18:14.19 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Just so you know. :) |
| 18:14.25 | Xinhuan | i did HEAVY pruning in the algorithm |
| 18:14.34 | Xinhuan | or it would take 10x as long to run the real algorithm |
| 18:14.41 | Dashkal | Curiosity: how does AceSerializer3 handle t.i where t.i = 0? |
| 18:14.56 | Arrowmaster | AceSerializer3 makes everything printable characters |
| 18:14.57 | Xinhuan | also the algorithm is identical to the one in carto_routes |
| 18:14.57 | Arrowmaster | it sucks |
| 18:15.17 | Xinhuan | it doesn't catch all criss-crossing, because i did heavy pruning to minimize execution time |
| 18:15.20 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Why the heavy pruning? |
| 18:15.22 | Dashkal | *blink* why? I thought the whole point of SendAddonMessage was to be rid of that restriction |
| 18:15.30 | CIA-39 | 03scorpio0920 * r68628 10LibDogTag-3.0/Localization/zhTW.lua: |
| 18:15.30 | CIA-39 | LibDogTag-3.0 |
| 18:15.30 | CIA-39 | - Added zhTW Localization. (Thanks s8095324) |
| 18:15.32 | Xinhuan | because people are impatient |
| 18:15.38 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: its not designed for SendAddonMessage only |
| 18:15.40 | pastamancer | because AceSerializer can also be used for copy/paste |
| 18:15.46 | Xinhuan | 3 minutes to optimize a route, versus 30 minutes |
| 18:15.57 | Dashkal | I was under the impression it was given that AceComm explicitly states that it will not support custom channels |
| 18:16.05 | nevcairiel | you just optimize 3 times then your route is good |
| 18:16.14 | Xinhuan | Dashkal, SendAddonMessage itself, as a restriction by blizzard, cannot contain \0 |
| 18:16.18 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Make a option (A local inside the script so impatient people don't complain?) |
| 18:16.34 | Xinhuan | maybe |
| 18:16.35 | Dashkal | note to self: just write my own serializer for Nexus |
| 18:16.36 | ben_ | I have some questions about daily quests! |
| 18:16.38 | nevcairiel | that option would probably mean alot more code |
| 18:16.47 | ben_ | a) how do I figure out how long until new daily dungeon/bg quests are available? |
| 18:16.49 | nevcairiel | just optimize multiple times |
| 18:16.55 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: as long as your not doing heavy comms it doesnt matter |
| 18:16.56 | CIA-39 | 03scorpio0920 * r68629 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/Localization/zhTW.lua: |
| 18:16.56 | CIA-39 | LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 |
| 18:16.56 | CIA-39 | - Added zhTW Localization. (Thanks s8095324) |
| 18:17.03 | Dashkal | Nexus will be doing heavy comms |
| 18:17.04 | nevcairiel | ben_: same as all other dailys? :) |
| 18:17.07 | Chaud | ben_ you wait for the next at reset =p |
| 18:17.08 | Xinhuan | yeah, or if you hit the optimize button 3 times, it would be like doing the same thing ;p |
| 18:17.09 | ben_ | nevcairiel: Great. How? |
| 18:17.16 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: but AceSerializer3 isnt ment for heavy comms like Threat-2.0 does |
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| 18:17.31 | pastamancer | Dashkal: then it would be better to write your own serializer anyways even vs. the acecomm-2 serializer |
| 18:17.37 | Xinhuan | the criss-cross thing doesn't come up often, its very rare, since i dont' check every edge pair |
| 18:17.39 | Dashkal | I'll have to |
| 18:17.41 | Xinhuan | as part of the pruning |
| 18:17.55 | ben_ | nevcairiel: I mean, like, when it changes from AV to WSG or whatever. |
| 18:17.58 | CIA-39 | 03scorpio0920 * r68630 10LibDogTag-3.0/lib.xml: |
| 18:17.58 | CIA-39 | LibDogTag-3.0 |
| 18:17.58 | CIA-39 | - Added zhTW Localization. (Thanks s8095324) |
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| 18:18.06 | ben_ | I assume it is with the daily counter reset. How to I figure out when that is? |
| 18:18.15 | Xinhuan | the original code did no pruning and took 3x longer and yielded at best 1% better routes in terms of length |
| 18:18.17 | CIA-39 | 03scorpio0920 * r68631 10LibDogTag-Unit-3.0/lib.xml: |
| 18:18.17 | CIA-39 | LibDogTag-Unit-3.0 |
| 18:18.17 | CIA-39 | - Added zhTW Localization. (Thanks s8095324) |
| 18:18.25 | Dashkal | A new player joining a guild that makes heavy use of Nexus will need to recieve 20+ megs of data. I'm considering (down the road) letting another player just gzip their store and send it that way |
| 18:18.27 | nevcairiel | ben_: GetQuestResetTime() |
| 18:18.47 | Xinhuan | so speed vs solution, i found it ok |
| 18:18.50 | ben_ | That is seconds from now/ |
| 18:18.51 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: even with a good serializer, sending that much data will take an hour or more |
| 18:18.53 | Xinhuan | to prune at 15% of the zone width |
| 18:18.54 | ben_ | Awesome, thanks |
| 18:18.59 | kergoth | what's nexus? |
| 18:19.06 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: That's perfectly fine. The new player does not need to update all at once |
| 18:19.14 | Dashkal | It'll be in the background while they play |
| 18:19.17 | Xinhuan | you can modify this inside TSP.lua, find the number 0.15 and change it to 1.0 if you don't want pruning ;p |
| 18:19.45 | Xinhuan | local PRUNEDIST = zoneW * 0.15 -- Another constant for our own pruning |
| 18:19.46 | Dashkal | kergoth: Nexus is a pet project of mine: A distributed filesystem in wow that will support "applications" atop it. Examples include forums, crafting lists, and raid signups |
| 18:19.49 | CIA-39 | 03rabbit * r68632 10TypingIndicator/TypingIndicator.lua: TypingIndicator: Some cleanup and fixes, no longer tells people you're typing until you actually say something with a length > 0 that doesn't start with a slash. |
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| 18:20.01 | Xinhuan | local numAnts = ceil(2 * numNodes ^ 0.5); -- Parameter: Number of ants. |
| 18:20.04 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:20.05 | Xinhuan | that's another pruned number |
| 18:20.09 | Xinhuan | the original code is just |
| 18:20.11 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: anyway Dashkal, AceSerializer is VERY generic, and for ANY very high traffic case you should write a very specific comm protocol with as minimal overhead |
| 18:20.14 | Xinhuan | local numAnts = numNodes |
| 18:20.30 | Xinhuan | do that and you will have the original code ;p |
| 18:20.39 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Does it give any gain to change it to 2.5? |
| 18:20.42 | pastamancer | Dashkal: what is Nexus? |
| 18:20.48 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: understood. I was leaning towards my own serializer anyway as I need something AS3 doesn't handle: deterministic serialization of tables. I need to be able to hash a table the same way every time. |
| 18:20.48 | hypetech | Anybody know a mod that can show me some kind of equivalency for melee weapon dps? Like if one weapon is 101 dps with no stats, and another is 90 dps with 20 str, a way to compare those? |
| 18:20.58 | Dashkal | pastamancer: read above description to kergoth |
| 18:21.06 | pastamancer | oh, I see |
| 18:21.08 | Xinhuan | more ants == more execution time, proportionally, but because more ants are running around trying to find optimal paths |
| 18:21.14 | ben_ | Is there a default way to get the time as seconds since the epoch or something? |
| 18:21.17 | dylanm | hypetech: Get some spreadsheets. |
| 18:21.19 | Dashkal | hypetech: Pawn may be what you're looking for. |
| 18:21.20 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: AceSerializer should be able to send all data structures over .. |
| 18:21.23 | Xinhuan | you are more likely to get a better result |
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| 18:21.29 | Xinhuan | but 10 ants runs twice as long as 5 ants |
| 18:21.34 | Xinhuan | 100 ants twice as long as 50 |
| 18:21.37 | hypetech | ret pally spreadsheets fail, and pawn is only good if I already know the equivalency :( |
| 18:21.52 | Xinhuan | hence i used ceil(2*numNodes^0.5) |
| 18:21.54 | Xinhuan | rather than numNodes |
| 18:21.57 | Dashkal | what was it, 14AP = 1dps? |
| 18:22.12 | dylanm | hypetech: There are the sites that give rough numbers... maxdps.com for one. |
| 18:22.33 | dylanm | What's wrong with the sheet here? http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17193-paladin_retribution_dps_theorycraft/ |
| 18:22.39 | hypetech | ya I've seen maxdps, I just didn't know if there was anything in game |
| 18:22.47 | Xinhuan | there are about 10 parameters as you can see in the code |
| 18:22.56 | dylanm | I've been thinking of taking my 60 paladin up and going ret for fun... I'm a little bored. |
| 18:22.58 | Xinhuan | ants, prune distance, QUALITY, ALPHA, BETA, etc |
| 18:23.06 | dylanm | And not being able to close gaps on enemies in arena sounds like oodles of joy. |
| 18:23.06 | hypetech | dylanm: the problem with that spreadsheet is that this is the link: http://hosted.filefront.com/jwhalley |
| 18:23.09 | Xinhuan | all those affect the performance and quality of the solution |
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| 18:23.30 | Xinhuan | at present, all these are hardcoded in, because i don't feel it necessary to give the users |
| 18:23.36 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: AS3 can send the data just fine, and that'll do well enough for light comms. The problem is my other two requirements: hashing (I need a way to make messages tamper-proof) and the sheer volume of data to be sent to a new player. |
| 18:23.40 | Xinhuan | any method to want to change them |
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| 18:23.54 | dylanm | hypetech: What's wrong with that link? |
| 18:23.58 | Xinhuan | as only someone that understands how ACO works will understand what the parameters do |
| 18:24.14 | hypetech | dylanm: oh wtf...I swear I clicked that an hour ago and it took me to filefront.com >.< |
| 18:24.24 | dylanm | Heh. |
| 18:25.07 | dylanm | I haven't seen someone take the time to model everything in-game... there are addons that break down the stat boosts and can assign values to item properties but I like to estimate what the overall effect is going to be. |
| 18:25.08 | Dashkal | I had to design a task manager and throttler to help keep from destroying the poor player's FPS |
| 18:25.27 | Xinhuan | there's another constant |
| 18:25.28 | Xinhuan | MAXUNCHANGEDINTERATION |
| 18:25.36 | Xinhuan | its usually like 10 |
| 18:25.40 | Xinhuan | in a real application |
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| 18:25.46 | Xinhuan | in wow's routes, i set it at 2 or 3 |
| 18:25.55 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Thank you. |
| 18:26.09 | pastamancer | Dashkal: I'm curious about how you plan on resolving conflicting updates in the filesystem |
| 18:26.15 | Xinhuan | wow, i misspelled that variable LOL |
| 18:26.21 | Xinhuan | iteration interation |
| 18:26.28 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: http://ace.pastey.net/85344 < on mind control |
| 18:26.35 | Polarina | Xinhuan: :) |
| 18:27.02 | Dashkal | pastamancer: Given: only the author of a "file" may update that file. With that given the only way to conflict is for a player to roll back or copy their nexus savedvars and update the "file" a second time. |
| 18:27.06 | Polarina | Xinhuan: So, for a very good route, MAXUNCHANGEDINTERATION should be 10? :) |
| 18:27.32 | Dashkal | resolution: take the newer one over the older one, and if those match, pick one arbratrally |
| 18:27.37 | CIA-39 | 03pericles * r68633 10InventoryOnPar/ (InventoryOnPar.lua localization.lua): |
| 18:27.37 | CIA-39 | InventoryOnPar: |
| 18:27.37 | CIA-39 | -Fixed detection of no enchant on "Armor" because it was looking for an enchant on "ARMOUR"!!! |
| 18:27.37 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.37 | CIA-39 | - Localised some msg strings |
| 18:27.38 | CIA-39 | - Removed onload message in chat window as that is now out of fashion |
| 18:27.45 | Xinhuan | for a very good route, MAXUNCHANGEDINTERATION should be 5-10, numAnts = numNodes, PRUNEDIST = zoneW |
| 18:27.48 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: *sigh* thats from anti's hack at trying to handle pets |
| 18:27.50 | pastamancer | Dashkal: ah, that would do it... so the only way for Alice to modify Bob's file is to ask Bob to make a change while they're both online? |
| 18:27.59 | Stanzilla | hehe |
| 18:27.59 | Polarina | Xinhuan: There's no PRUNEDIST, only zoneW15 |
| 18:28.01 | Dashkal | at the core level, yes |
| 18:28.02 | Xinhuan | INITIAL_PHEROMONE should be 0.1 rather than 0, that's a small starting error |
| 18:28.14 | Xinhuan | read line 313 |
| 18:28.29 | Dashkal | at the application level there will be "control" messages that can be used. (A forum mod could send a second "file" that says: "Delete this post" and everybody's Nexus_Forum would comply) |
| 18:28.33 | Xinhuan | the *0.15 is a prune factor |
| 18:28.38 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Ok. :) |
| 18:28.41 | Xinhuan | changing it to *1.0 would remove the pruning |
| 18:28.52 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Line 313: if (numAnts >= 25) then |
| 18:29.04 | Xinhuan | that was just another pruning |
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| 18:29.14 | Xinhuan | i lowered the number if the number of nodes is more than 50 or so |
| 18:29.25 | Xinhuan | since 50 nodes translated to about 25 ants? |
| 18:29.26 | Dashkal | unfortunately that brings me to the largest challenge in Nexus. I need a way to to authenticate a message when the poster is offline. And the only solution I know of for that is asymetric key encryption... *shudder* |
| 18:29.42 | Dashkal | must find a better way... |
| 18:29.46 | Xinhuan | but the whole algo is still based on random() numbers |
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| 18:29.51 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Thanks a lot. *hug* |
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| 18:30.02 | Dashkal | or at least a crypto system easier to implement that RSA |
| 18:30.18 | pastamancer | you'll need asymetric crypto of some sort |
| 18:30.25 | Xinhuan | you will see in Step 9 |
| 18:30.30 | Xinhuan | i have a commented out section |
| 18:31.01 | Dashkal | yeah. I don't need it to be bulletproof (could you imagine calculating a sig with a 1024 bit key inside of wow?), but I need _something_ that'll work and can't be easily forged. |
| 18:31.06 | Xinhuan | the while loop will loop until it can't find anymore criss-cross, rather than the for-loop that only loops 6 times |
| 18:31.10 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Uncommenting would improve the path? |
| 18:31.15 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 18:31.18 | Xinhuan | but changing the > 1 |
| 18:31.23 | Xinhuan | to > 0 |
| 18:31.24 | Xinhuan | will |
| 18:31.25 | durcyn | kergoth: ping |
| 18:31.28 | Xinhuan | that's another pruning |
| 18:31.33 | kergoth | durcyn: pong |
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| 18:31.47 | Polarina | Xinhuan: :D |
| 18:31.50 | durcyn | kergoth: on second though, nevermind, i misread that toc =P |
| 18:31.55 | Dashkal | I have intern solutions (hash + confirm, web of trust) that will work for now, but I want the crypto so I can authenticate messages right away without waiting for the poster or a trusted friend to come online |
| 18:31.56 | kergoth | k |
| 18:32.07 | Xinhuan | now it'll only take you about 3 hours to do a 500 node path |
| 18:32.13 | CIA-39 | 03wanthony * r68634 10FuBar_AlarmClockFu/AlarmClockFu.lua: |
| 18:32.13 | CIA-39 | FuBar_AlarmClockFu: |
| 18:32.13 | CIA-39 | - Implemented snooze feature |
| 18:32.13 | CIA-39 | - Fixed a few small bugs |
| 18:32.29 | kagaro | Dashkal: there is aes already for lu .. its a luaforge project i believe |
| 18:32.45 | Dashkal | aes is symetric. I need asymetric (this is for message signing, not encryption) |
| 18:32.54 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Thanks a lot. |
| 18:32.55 | Xinhuan | lol, people nap with wow running? |
| 18:33.03 | Xinhuan | snooze function |
| 18:33.05 | Polarina | Xinhuan: You're very kind. :) |
| 18:33.20 | Chaud | snooze function needs a way to stop rendering the graphics and just run the chat =p |
| 18:33.22 | kergoth | "*beep* *beep* Do your laundry!" *SNOOZE* |
| 18:33.27 | Swimnurd | Maybe rename the mod, FuBar_PizzaTimer |
| 18:33.28 | Dashkal | encryption is pointless. the only entity that could snoop if I use a private channel like WHISPER is blizzard, and nothing I can do can protect me from blizzard |
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| 18:33.48 | Xinhuan | the whole TSP.lua code is quite well documented (at least i think so) |
| 18:33.58 | Xinhuan | maybe if you have time, feel free to understand the algorithm |
| 18:34.04 | Xinhuan | the algorithm description is at the top of the file |
| 18:34.05 | kagaro | Dashkal: you not gona use the addonchannel? |
| 18:34.31 | Dashkal | kagaro: I will, but I'm not going to support encrypted messages on nexus boards. If you want to send something privately, whisper them directly |
| 18:35.00 | Dashkal | While inspired by freenet, I don't need their level of privacy |
| 18:35.18 | Dashkal | I just want trust. I want to trust that the message bob passed onto me was actually sent by alice |
| 18:35.19 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Thank you. *me runs the non-pruning algorithm on a 81 node path in foreground.* |
| 18:35.44 | dodga | Hm, anyone knows how to add the name of the unit to alerts from GridAlert? jerry mentioned he added that ability, but I didn't find anything in the menus |
| 18:35.54 | NeoTron | Man now people are asking that I add support for MobSpells in MagicMarker |
| 18:35.54 | Xinhuan | for anything less than 100 nodes, the original downloaded code as-is 90% already gives the most optimal possible path |
| 18:35.57 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 18:36.02 | Dashkal | all I have right now for trust is a) alice sent it directly. b) alice confirmed that she sent a message with this hash. c) I trust bob implicitly not to screw me over |
| 18:36.04 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: cant you just MD5 the author or something as validation? |
| 18:36.05 | kagaro | generate a md5 of the message, then encrypt that with a private key using rc4 or tea or something |
| 18:36.06 | pastamancer | Dashkal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie-Hellman |
| 18:36.11 | Polarina | Xinhuan: :) |
| 18:36.22 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: I can, but what stops bob from tampering with the message _and_ the hash? |
| 18:36.26 | Xinhuan | so all those extra stuff you just edited just kind of adds extra assurances |
| 18:36.58 | Xinhuan | but remember, its based on random() so no route generated is gauranteed to be optimal, but should be within 3%-5% of optimiality |
| 18:37.02 | Dashkal | the only thing that stops it is when I see alice I'll send her the hash and ask "Was this yours"? and she'll reply y/n. Once she replies yes the message is validated |
| 18:37.03 | Polarina | Xinhuan: We'll see. :) |
| 18:37.04 | Xinhuan | or 0-5% even |
| 18:37.50 | CIA-39 | 03piranther * r68635 10PiraPlex/deps.lua: PiraPlex :- Add LibBabble-Faction-3.0, LibItemBonus-2.0, LibRangeCheck-2.0, and Threat-2.0 to the list of recognized "Deps" |
| 18:37.56 | Dashkal | Now my expected attacker isn't expected to be able to do much more than tamper with his saved vars, so I don't need anything rock solid (1024 bit RSA would be overkill) |
| 18:38.03 | Xinhuan | its better to cluster a route anyway, and have less nodes to make a route with |
| 18:38.32 | Dashkal | But I could easily see a disgruntled guild memeber trying to tamper with the forum post showing current DKP |
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| 18:39.16 | Xinhuan | disclaimer: xinhuan is not responsible for any "Disconnected from server" :) |
| 18:39.18 | Dashkal | DH... I hadn't considered that... might work |
| 18:40.22 | Dashkal | not by it's primary use though. I don't need an encrypted channel. I just need a _fast_ asymetric sign and confirm |
| 18:40.27 | kagaro | Dashkal: create a MD5 of the message, then encrypt the MD5 using a rc4 using the author as the key and messages index by the encrypted md5 to find the message |
| 18:40.35 | Xinhuan | when a game's mods/addons reaches the stage where you need encryption, you know it isn't a game anymore ;p |
| 18:40.41 | Swimnurd | yeah |
| 18:41.07 | Swimnurd | my question is do you really need this in game? |
| 18:41.15 | kadrahil | is wowjutsu.com working for anyone? |
| 18:41.20 | Polarina | Xinhuan: DAMN! |
| 18:41.23 | Polarina | xD |
| 18:42.20 | Dashkal | kagaro: If I read this right, rc4 is a stream cipher... What I need is asymetric message signing: Alice md5s her message then signs it with her private key. Now I can validate that her message was signed with her private key with only her public key on hand. |
| 18:42.44 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: Raiding is srs business? :p |
| 18:42.47 | Fisker- | btw |
| 18:42.54 | Arrowmaster | why not just do PGP in lua while your at it? |
| 18:42.57 | Fisker- | any of you know a good sorting mechanism? |
| 18:43.00 | Xinhuan | what is this for? |
| 18:43.03 | Fisker- | for java or C# |
| 18:43.07 | Xinhuan | in game message forum? |
| 18:43.07 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: If there was a _fast_ implementation, I'd consider it |
| 18:43.14 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 18:43.14 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: yes, along with raid signups |
| 18:43.22 | Swimnurd | Just piggy back on the in game mail :-P |
| 18:43.29 | Dashkal | In point of fact, that's exactly what I'm doing without the message encryption |
| 18:43.36 | Dashkal | I want PGP signing and no encryption |
| 18:43.38 | Polarina | Xinhuan: It ran for 29 seconds on a 81 node path. |
| 18:43.47 | Polarina | Fisker-: Quicksort. |
| 18:43.49 | Xinhuan | how fast is your PC |
| 18:44.20 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Mine? |
| 18:44.20 | Fisker- | code examples Polarina |
| 18:44.23 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 18:44.26 | charon | Fisker-: use the implementations in your favourite language's standard library? o.O |
| 18:44.30 | Polarina | Fisker-: Don't have. |
| 18:44.33 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Too fast... |
| 18:44.34 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: Mine is just fine, but I need to cater to the baseline. We have 512 beg people in the guild |
| 18:44.39 | Fisker- | hmm :( |
| 18:44.45 | Fisker- | for some reason my quicksort sucks |
| 18:44.56 | pastamancer | Fisker-: bubble sort! |
| 18:44.58 | Xinhuan | what's wrong with table.sort :P |
| 18:45.02 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Compiles OpenOffice.org in 3 hours utilising only a single core. |
| 18:45.08 | Xinhuan | its implemented in quicksort too |
| 18:45.14 | charon | quicksort _does_ suck ... depending on what you need |
| 18:45.15 | Fisker- | pastamancer i'm embarassed to admit it :o |
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| 18:45.27 | Xinhuan | although a custom shell sort coded in lua might be faster |
| 18:45.29 | Fisker- | but for some reason bubblesort was faster than quicksort |
| 18:45.30 | Xinhuan | go google for it |
| 18:45.37 | Fisker- | and the array wasn't sorted to begin with fyi |
| 18:45.54 | Xinhuan | bubble sort is only faster tan quicksort IF and only IF the array is "nearly sorted" |
| 18:46.13 | Xinhuan | to begin with, that is |
| 18:46.20 | Fisker- | yeah i know |
| 18:46.40 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Why you ask? |
| 18:46.52 | Dashkal | hmm, so far I'm thinking RSA with a small keysize may be my best bet. I just need to figure out how small I can get away with without falling into trivial cracking size |
| 18:46.58 | CIA-39 | 03piranther * r68636 10PiraPlex/ (PiraPlex.toc changelog.txt): PiraPlex :- This is release version 1.3 |
| 18:46.59 | Xinhuan | why not, with all those changes, even 81 nodes would take minutes on my PC ;p |
| 18:47.09 | Xinhuan | with Foreground that is |
| 18:47.20 | Dashkal | it's very well documented so I have the best chance of actually successfully implementing it |
| 18:47.21 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I ran it in foreground. :) |
| 18:47.49 | Dashkal | meh, down the road stuff. hash+confirm and web of trust will work for most cases just fine |
| 18:47.53 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Shall I try it in foreground from an "random" path (New path, i.e. from scratch)? |
| 18:48.02 | Xinhuan | dunno |
| 18:48.07 | Xinhuan | is the results you are getting any good? |
| 18:48.22 | Dashkal | I need to get the core filesystem up first :p |
| 18:48.24 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Only minimal improvements, but any improvement is good. |
| 18:48.27 | Xinhuan | or is all that extra processing not worth the "oomph" |
| 18:48.33 | CIA-39 | 03rabbit * r68637 10TypingIndicator/TypingIndicator.lua: TypingIndicator: Fix the slash command. |
| 18:48.44 | Xinhuan | i would just tell most casual users to "click optimize" a few times |
| 18:48.50 | Xinhuan | if yuo're lucky, you find a better path! |
| 18:48.51 | charon | Dashkal: make it a lib please, it's bound to have a lot of nice applications ;) |
| 18:48.53 | Fisker- | the random seed in java needs to be changed each time i request a random number right? |
| 18:48.58 | Fisker- | or else i'll just get the same number right? |
| 18:49.10 | pastamancer | you seed it once |
| 18:49.12 | kagaro | if you dont specify one, it uses the system clock |
| 18:49.15 | Swimnurd | Dashkal, just port mysql to lua |
| 18:49.25 | kagaro | on init |
| 18:49.27 | Fisker- | sure pastamancer? |
| 18:49.34 | vhaarr | Fisker-: no, you'll get the same sequence of numbers with the same seed, but since the seed is usually time(), it's not an issue |
| 18:49.34 | kadrahil | any hunters around? |
| 18:49.36 | Fisker- | was using it earlier and it kept putting in the same value |
| 18:49.38 | Dashkal | charon: It's going to be a standalone core. (Think the prat core) with sattalite apps. I don't want to deal with embedded Nexus |
| 18:49.40 | Bruners | have they nerfed RoS much? |
| 18:49.44 | Fisker- | yeah vhaarr |
| 18:49.45 | kagaro | Fisker-: if you want really good random, use SecureRandom |
| 18:49.45 | Fisker- | but i sucked |
| 18:49.53 | kadrahil | vithos: poke |
| 18:49.57 | Polarina | Xinhuan: :) |
| 18:50.23 | pastamancer | Fisker-: not 100% sure for java, but usually you seed once and then each time you call random() it modifies the seed so if you use the same seed again you'll get the same sequence |
| 18:50.37 | Dashkal | Swimnurd: heh, amusing but no. Distributed filesystem |
| 18:50.55 | Dashkal | Swimnurd: If you've heard of freenet, think that without the heavy encryption and plausible denial |
| 18:51.05 | ckknight | hehe |
| 18:51.16 | ckknight | but I live for plausible deniability |
| 18:51.18 | Dashkal | Frost was my primary inspiration |
| 18:51.45 | CIA-39 | Quelevel: 03tekkub 07master * r81a1b06080 10Quelevel/Quelevel.lua: Change to use ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter instead of hooking |
| 18:52.33 | Swimnurd | Dashkal, yeah I understand, but you are going to have some major issues with data updates and collisions signing or not, you have many nodes none of which you can count on to be in control of the data at all times |
| 18:53.15 | CIA-39 | Quelevel: 03tekkub 07master * r6f5f28ff92 10Quelevel/Quelevel.lua: Oops, register correct events for the filter |
| 18:53.16 | Swimnurd | Dashkal, keeping the data up to date is going to be your biggest hurtle |
| 18:53.27 | Dashkal | Swimnurd: collisions are handled in that hte only "valid" way to update a file is for the author to do it. A collision will be met with an immediate validation check. A forged update will fail validation. A real update will replace the old one |
| 18:53.52 | Dashkal | and I'm still work working out the kinds of the "get me up to date" call a player makes when they log in |
| 18:53.55 | Dashkal | kinks* |
| 18:54.16 | Dashkal | It comes down to asking other Nexus users one by one for an index of messages in the past X days. Then it asks for any it doesn't recognize |
| 18:54.34 | Dashkal | (heavily throttled, the process can take hours and is tolerant of players logging in and out) |
| 18:55.03 | Swimnurd | Dashkal, look at how some Directory servers handle distributing data, but I think at this point these types of operations might be a bit to much for WoW to handle |
| 18:55.54 | Dashkal | Swimnurd: You may be right that wow cannot handle it. Sadly the only way I'll find that out is by failing in a most spectacular manner :p |
| 18:56.08 | Dashkal | But I have methods to help keep the load down |
| 18:56.13 | Swimnurd | keep me posted I really would like to see if this can actually work |
| 18:56.28 | Dashkal | I have a task manager to help keep from destroying the player in worst case (fresh install and 20+ megs to download) |
| 18:56.46 | Swimnurd | keep in mind you are going to have to keep that 20+ megs in mem |
| 18:56.53 | kagaro | Fisker-: http://ace.pastey.net/85349 |
| 18:57.02 | Dashkal | that 20 I throw around is a first stab limit on my database size |
| 18:57.07 | kagaro | example of what hapens when you use the same seed |
| 18:57.10 | Dashkal | after that limit it'll start discarding old messages |
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| 18:57.31 | Fisker- | hugs kagaro :O |
| 18:57.44 | Zorkmid | I just downloaded the WoW client with the installer, where did it go ? |
| 18:57.45 | Fisker- | gonna look at it later |
| 18:57.54 | Dashkal | it will be configuratble. a 512 ram user can lower it to 5ish (and would probably need to block any non-essential boards so as not to lost data too quickly) |
| 18:58.02 | Dashkal | I'll probably raise it to 80+ so I lose nothing |
| 18:58.04 | kagaro | if you seed it witht he same value you get the same sequence |
| 18:58.25 | kagaro | with no seed it uses time |
| 18:58.29 | kagaro | as the seed |
| 18:59.02 | charon | Dashkal: good luck with development if every /rl writes out that 80mb to savedvars, reads it back |
| 18:59.04 | Dashkal | Practicly speaking you won't need much more than 5 megs to see the raid signup boards. And that'll do if you're really _really_ constrained |
| 18:59.10 | CIA-39 | 03arrowmaster * r68639 10LibGUIDRegistry-0.1/ (5 files in 3 dirs): LibGUIDRegistry-0.1: added drycoded 0.2 version (uncomment from toc to test) that uses tooltip magic, preformance testing is needed to see if this is even viable |
| 18:59.12 | CIA-39 | 03benumbed * r68638 10DaHud/modules/Portraits/Core.lua: |
| 18:59.12 | CIA-39 | DaHud: |
| 18:59.12 | CIA-39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.21 | Dashkal | charon: lol, for the debug cycle I'm dropping that down to a nice managable 5 :p |
| 18:59.47 | Dashkal | I'll tweak the size of the database and such until I get something that doesn't leave you with a 5 minute load screen |
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| 18:59.59 | Dashkal | trying to optomize that right now is premature |
| 19:00.11 | *** mode/#wowace [+v cladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 19:00.23 | Arrowmaster | if anybody wants to test out LibGUIDRegistry-0.2 and profile it with Expo in aoe situations it would be nice |
| 19:00.25 | Dashkal | I've got _lots_ of knobs to turn for optomization |
| 19:00.29 | Swimnurd | You may have to sacrifice data integrity for speed |
| 19:00.45 | Dashkal | (For example, the relative priority of the classes of tasks that need to be executed) |
| 19:00.51 | CIA-39 | 03rabbit * r68640 10TypingIndicator/TypingIndicator.lua: TypingIndicator: Uncomment a line that was removed for debugging. |
| 19:00.57 | Dashkal | Swimnurd: dropping files is perfectly acceptable |
| 19:01.06 | Dashkal | this is not a _permenent_ filesystem. Things fall off all the time |
| 19:01.15 | kagaro | Dashkal: be sure to turn it off complety in things like raids .. no player logins during raid .. bam |
| 19:01.22 | Dashkal | oh of course |
| 19:01.27 | kagaro | s/no/new/ |
| 19:01.29 | Dashkal | during combat it'll be utterly paused |
| 19:01.43 | Dashkal | during raids it'll probably be paused (though I may be able to get away with just throttling it exceddingly heavily) |
| 19:02.18 | Dashkal | If raiding you may just refuse to respond to more than one request every 10 seconds :p |
| 19:02.22 | Swimnurd | but how do you insure when a new player logs during a raid that they get the correct data? |
| 19:02.28 | Dashkal | and during combat it'll be "go away, I'm busy" |
| 19:02.28 | Swimnurd | for example dkp information? |
| 19:02.42 | Dashkal | Swimnurd: I do not. You will get the updated file when you log back in later |
| 19:03.12 | Dashkal | The raid leader simply needs to stay on after the raid long enough that "enough" people get the updated file before he logs off |
| 19:03.23 | Dashkal | then they can pass it amongst themselves |
| 19:04.36 | Dashkal | Sadly I have no idea what "enough" is. There's a certain critical mass of people that need to be on and using Nexus for it to work. Otherwise messages won't get passed around. |
| 19:04.47 | Swimnurd | will syncing be time based, event based, manual? |
| 19:05.19 | Dashkal | when you post a message you will post a broadcast "Hey I have a new message" in the board's channel. If it's a small post, the broadcast will be the entire post. |
| 19:05.29 | Dashkal | If not, players will then know there's a new post and can request it at their leasure |
| 19:05.55 | CIA-39 | 03ckknight * r68641 10Parrot/Code/CombatEvents.lua: Parrot - merge in the hacks from http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12512 to get Parrot working on 2.4. Yes, there will be bugs. No, this is not Parrot 2.0. |
| 19:06.00 | Dashkal | requests are either direct (WHISPER to the poster asking for post #x) or query. "Anybody have X?" on the board channel |
| 19:06.08 | Swimnurd | <3 ckknight |
| 19:06.16 | durcyn | ho shit |
| 19:06.20 | Dashkal | ooo, pretty |
| 19:06.20 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:06.32 | durcyn | still craploads of ParserLib references though :( |
| 19:06.38 | Arrowmaster | so happy nobody is home right now, otherwise id probably be getting yelled |
| 19:06.47 | ckknight | durcyn: yea, I know |
| 19:06.54 | Arrowmaster | i have music playing very loudly |
| 19:07.02 | Dashkal | mmm, for boards based on custom channels, messages will probably never be broadcasted (I don't want to have to use a second serializer for printable only characters) |
| 19:07.10 | ckknight | but it works |
| 19:07.14 | Fisker- | aww |
| 19:07.19 | Fisker- | you fixed it ckknight :( |
| 19:07.35 | ckknight | no, random forum peoples fixed it |
| 19:07.48 | ckknight | also, if anyone has fixes for Parrot, feel free to merge in :-P |
| 19:07.55 | Chompers | ckk, what did you think of that guys hacks? |
| 19:08.00 | *** join/#wowace mort_ (n=mort@azureus/mort) |
| 19:08.01 | Fisker- | i could always ask you for a parrot 2.0 status |
| 19:08.02 | ckknight | they are hackish |
| 19:08.04 | ckknight | and they work |
| 19:08.05 | Chompers | were they any good or sloppy |
| 19:08.07 | Chompers | oh |
| 19:09.25 | Dashkal | meh, I need to get back to coding that thing. Design is fun, but code talks. |
| 19:10.16 | durcyn | ckknight: oh, while you're here. i'm on a crusade to destroy Babble-Spell. mind if I rip it out of Carto? |
| 19:11.08 | nevcairiel | carto uses babble-spell? O.O |
| 19:11.13 | CIA-39 | 03durcyn * r68642 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/TopScoreFu.lua: FuBar_TopScoreFu: remove Parser-3.0 mixin |
| 19:11.19 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: DIE |
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| 19:11.24 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: i was about to commit that |
| 19:11.27 | durcyn | i win! |
| 19:11.37 | durcyn | or lose, as it were |
| 19:12.23 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: no go remove babble-spell from it while your at it |
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| 19:12.36 | Arrowmaster | s/no/now/ |
| 19:12.52 | durcyn | gladly. |
| 19:12.58 | Arrowmaster | just dont break it |
| 19:13.11 | durcyn | i test my commits, sir! |
| 19:13.18 | CIA-39 | 03scorpio0920 * r68643 10BigBrother/localization_zhTW.lua: |
| 19:13.18 | CIA-39 | BigBrother: |
| 19:13.18 | CIA-39 | - Update zhTW localization. |
| 19:13.20 | Xinhuan | google |
| 19:13.21 | Arrowmaster | so do i! sometimes..... |
| 19:13.54 | kadrahil | um |
| 19:14.02 | kadrahil | do you have to buy a new copy of wow for another account? |
| 19:14.07 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:14.15 | kadrahil | bah. |
| 19:14.20 | kadrahil | and tbc too? |
| 19:14.23 | Arrowmaster | when you buy wow your buying the keys |
| 19:14.24 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:14.26 | durcyn | you can purchase an account through the website without actually going anywhere |
| 19:14.28 | kadrahil | ouch |
| 19:14.29 | kadrahil | heh |
| 19:14.31 | durcyn | yes, bc is still separate |
| 19:14.44 | kadrahil | they should let you buy keys online |
| 19:14.48 | Arrowmaster | they do |
| 19:14.51 | kadrahil | oh. |
| 19:15.02 | kadrahil | but don't you have to have the auth key already to create an account? |
| 19:15.03 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 19:15.07 | sag_ich_nicht | MORAN RAIDLEADER |
| 19:15.08 | sag_ich_nicht | STAB |
| 19:15.17 | durcyn | you buy the key through blizzard's website |
| 19:15.40 | Fisker- | you can only do that on US though |
| 19:15.49 | Fisker- | well i don't know about korea and whatever |
| 19:16.19 | vithos | kadrahil: sup |
| 19:16.36 | kadrahil | vithos: wondering if the steady shot castsequence has changed any, i've been out of the loop for the last month or two |
| 19:16.46 | kadrahil | vithos: it turns off the auto attack every once in a while |
| 19:16.52 | vithos | use !auto shot |
| 19:17.08 | vithos | a month or more ago there was a change to autoshot mechanics |
| 19:17.13 | kadrahil | ahh |
| 19:17.22 | vithos | if you try to cast a special during the 0.5sec autoshot cast time, it won't clip the auto |
| 19:17.30 | vithos | it'll fire the special right after |
| 19:17.37 | vithos | so there's a new rotation/macro called "3:2" |
| 19:17.43 | vithos | which is just /cast !auto shot /cast steady shot |
| 19:17.51 | vithos | it can be higher dps if you have a slow weapon |
| 19:17.58 | vithos | personally i use 1:1.x though |
| 19:18.03 | kadrahil | so it isn't /castsequence reset=2 Steady Shot, Auto Shot anymore? |
| 19:18.14 | vithos | i'll pastey all my shot rotation macros, sec |
| 19:18.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: can you update the naj module of bigwigs? it shouldn't need syncing anymore in 2.4 or am i wrong in that assumption? |
| 19:18.18 | kadrahil | ah thanks |
| 19:18.21 | kadrahil | feel free to use a query |
| 19:19.01 | sag_ich_nicht | (for impaling spine) |
| 19:19.19 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=39837 |
| 19:19.29 | vithos | http://pastey.net/85352 |
| 19:19.30 | kergoth | kadrahil: if you want to continue using your existing sequence, change that Auto Shot to !Auto Shot. /cast Auto Shot is a toggle now :P |
| 19:19.47 | vithos | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.58 | kergoth | no it wasnt |
| 19:19.58 | vithos | i believe |
| 19:20.01 | kergoth | one of the recent patches changed it |
| 19:20.16 | Mytos | why do you have the soundenable set in your macros |
| 19:20.18 | vithos | well, i remember it toggling before they added ! |
| 19:20.31 | vithos | Mytos: it's only necessary for 3:2 i think, but it stops annoying cast failure sounds |
| 19:20.55 | kergoth | i dont see any casts thatd fail in your 3:2 macro there, since you arent casting anything but pet abilities and steady/auto |
| 19:21.01 | kergoth | did you mean 1:1.x? |
| 19:21.02 | vithos | steady would fail |
| 19:21.04 | Mytos | and you acctually use a mana pet? |
| 19:21.08 | vithos | because you're already casting it |
| 19:21.09 | kergoth | ah, i see |
| 19:21.24 | vithos | i use a windserpent, yes |
| 19:21.44 | vithos | it's a little more dps than a ravager |
| 19:21.44 | Delorala | DAMN just wantet to do a Kazzak bomb but failed ;-( |
| 19:22.02 | Mytos | cat ftw |
| 19:22.10 | vithos | cat? why |
| 19:22.18 | vithos | ravager is better |
| 19:22.31 | kergoth | not by a lot, few dps, imo its more personal preference at tha tpoint |
| 19:22.33 | kergoth | heh |
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| 19:23.29 | vithos | we just killed brutallus last night so my mindset is every little bit counts |
| 19:24.53 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, maybe you should look closer |
| 19:26.35 | vithos | my windserpent did 499 dps, the other BM hunter's ravager did 448 dps |
| 19:27.33 | kergoth | yea serpent does quite a bit more than ravager/cat |
| 19:27.33 | Dashkal | new comic: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#196 Is it bad that my first through was "with the squid?" |
| 19:27.33 | Dashkal | thought* |
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| 19:27.34 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: uhm, i do, only people with bigwigs did get the warning |
| 19:27.34 | NeoTron | how about using a bird/bat for the screech debuff to help tank survvial? aye or nay? |
| 19:27.34 | vithos | though i was in the melee group and he was in the feral group |
| 19:27.35 | NeoTron | or a wolf to buff melee |
| 19:27.36 | sag_ich_nicht | also WTB ignore of the naj assist module on Spirit of Redemption/Iceblock/Divine Shield |
| 19:27.38 | Zeksie | cool bear run with 7 mins left |
| 19:27.38 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, what? |
| 19:27.40 | ben_ | I am having trouble using AceDB-3.0. I want to register a, uh, database that does the factionrealm thing and has a bunch of default keys set, and how do I access it later on? |
| 19:27.50 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, you clearly didn't look closer |
| 19:27.51 | vithos | if i were going to use a gimp pet, it would have been an owl |
| 19:28.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: explain |
| 19:28.36 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, explain what, you are talking about syncing there is none |
| 19:28.36 | vithos | NeoTron: yeah, i use an owl when i'm survival for screech |
| 19:28.39 | Funkeh` | i.e. look closer |
| 19:28.46 | vithos | but last night we had fewer melee so i stayed BM |
| 19:29.20 | NeoTron | when is it worth using survival ? |
| 19:29.27 | NeoTron | pretty big hit to DPS |
| 19:29.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh` well i only saw impaling spine announces for people that had BigWigs |
| 19:29.35 | sag_ich_nicht | as in raidwarning |
| 19:29.36 | sag_ich_nicht | not /say |
| 19:29.38 | vithos | tbh it would have been worth it with only 7 physical dps |
| 19:29.41 | kergoth | is 1:1 my best bet as BM with a 2.7 speed weapon? |
| 19:29.41 | NeoTron | we'll likel get to Brutallus tonight or tomorrow if not tonight |
| 19:29.41 | vithos | probably |
| 19:29.47 | vithos | it's not that big of a dps hit |
| 19:30.15 | vithos | here's our kill if you want to review it http://wowwebstats.com/dl3pif3siyesg?m&s=3169-3543 |
| 19:30.32 | ben_ | I feel vaguely offtopic here D: |
| 19:30.56 | Dashkal | snickers |
| 19:31.04 | kergoth | cheekys seems to think 1:1 but using arcane/mutli when they're off cd will net 30 more dps, but 90% of the time it isnt safe to squeeze in a multi, and it says a 1:1.x with just arcane is a substantial loss, so methinks i'll stick to 1:1 |
| 19:31.04 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:27] <sag_ich_nicht> also WTB ignore of the naj assist module on Spirit of Redemption/Iceblock/Divine Shield <--and that one still stand, ignoring people below 8500 HP that are spirit of redemption(LOL DEAD)/iceblock/divine shield would be nice as well :P |
| 19:31.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:31.09 | vithos | kergoth: maybe, but there's a bunch of other things that could affect it, you really just need to use cheeky's sheet to see |
| 19:31.15 | kergoth | nods |
| 19:31.20 | Funkeh` | sag_ich_nicht, Feel free to code it |
| 19:31.34 | Dashkal | ben_ I thought welcomehome handled grabbing the database after registering it? (It did in the ace2 tutorial, I haven't followed the ace3 one myself yet) |
| 19:31.39 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
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| 19:31.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Funkeh`: lemee guess someone else made naj assist? |
| 19:31.50 | NeoTron | vithos: our main issue to resolve is still the tanks living for 6 minutes |
| 19:31.56 | NeoTron | DPS is secondary right now :P |
| 19:32.11 | vithos | NeoTron: yeah, an owl + scorpid could help then |
| 19:32.29 | NeoTron | vithos: healing question: 7 healers = 1 shaman on raid heal, 1 druid/[other] on burn (MT secondary), 4 on MT? |
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| 19:32.44 | NeoTron | at least that's the idea I had for healing |
| 19:32.58 | vithos | tbh i don't pay attention to healing assignments, you'll have to use the "who healed who" thing on wws to see |
| 19:33.02 | NeoTron | we went with 8 the first night but I doubt we'll have the DPS with that many healers |
| 19:33.22 | NeoTron | damn you killed him with 3 shadow priests? |
| 19:33.32 | ben_ | Dashkal: I am not sure I understand what the whole "profile" thing does |
| 19:33.37 | vithos | how else? :P |
| 19:34.05 | NeoTron | with like, err 1? :P |
| 19:34.17 | NeoTron | and a boomkin too |
| 19:34.26 | Snago | ben_: Profiles basicly lets you use completely different settings on different chars |
| 19:34.33 | Dashkal | ben_: A "profile" is a copy of the database that may be shared amongst players (most of the time). I always use "Default" and share my settings between characters. There are also special profiles that have a specific scope. |
| 19:34.38 | vithos | it'd be hard to do it with 7 healers |
| 19:34.44 | Dashkal | char is a special profile that is always different for each character |
| 19:34.48 | ben_ | I just want a database in the factionrealm scope at this point. |
| 19:34.55 | NeoTron | vithos: you.. used 7 |
| 19:34.55 | Dashkal | use that as your profile |
| 19:34.56 | vithos | with only 1 spriest |
| 19:35.11 | NeoTron | we have 2 sps |
| 19:35.12 | kenlyric | or completely the same settings on different chars :) |
| 19:35.13 | NeoTron | I might just use both |
| 19:35.14 | vithos | look at how much the spriests healed |
| 19:35.16 | Julith | did anyone encounter problems with mobspells and aoe-damage at a lot of mobs? |
| 19:35.21 | Dashkal | rather than "Default" use "factionrealm" |
| 19:35.22 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 19:35.31 | ben_ | Dashkal: Where am I supposed to use that? :S |
| 19:35.32 | NeoTron | I suppose you had one SP per soaker dps group |
| 19:35.34 | NeoTron | and one for healers |
| 19:35.35 | sag_ich_nicht | ONE OF OUR HEAL DRUIDS JUST WANTED TO GET +MP5 EPIC GEMS CRAFTED |
| 19:35.36 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 19:35.41 | Dashkal | tries to remember |
| 19:35.55 | Dashkal | apologizes, I'm trying to remember this since I'm at work (can't exactly fire up WoW :p) |
| 19:36.00 | Arrowmaster | for that whole extra 1mp5? |
| 19:36.17 | Dashkal | ben_: http://wowace.com/wiki/AceDB-3.0 |
| 19:36.22 | Snago | ben_: Third argument to :RegisterDB |
| 19:36.22 | Dashkal | that's the page for acedb itself |
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| 19:36.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster: uhm |
| 19:36.36 | vithos | NeoTron: plus shadowpriest mana = raid dps |
| 19:36.38 | CIA-39 | 03bendo * r68644 10LibBabble-Inventory-3.0/LibBabble-Inventory-3.0.lua: |
| 19:36.38 | CIA-39 | LibBabble-Inventory-3.0 |
| 19:36.38 | CIA-39 | - frFR update |
| 19:36.44 | Dashkal | oh yeah. db.factionrealm.<whatever> |
| 19:36.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster: healing druid using MP5 gems=shitnoob that needs to lern2play |
| 19:36.47 | NeoTron | yes I know that |
| 19:36.52 | NeoTron | but sole DPS of a SP is rather low |
| 19:37.03 | NeoTron | I think the SP's should go spec into imp VE though |
| 19:37.03 | Dashkal | (If you really do want these settings to be saved under factionrealm regardless of what profile your user uses) |
| 19:37.07 | ben_ | Snago: RegisterDB? |
| 19:37.08 | NeoTron | useful on kalecgos too |
| 19:37.14 | vithos | but yeah, you have to look at how much healing they did and realize that the healing = having an extra dps in the raid |
| 19:37.37 | Snago | ben_: nvm, I was completly wrong sorry :P |
| 19:37.40 | ben_ | Dashkal: So what exactly do the additional arguments to New do? |
| 19:37.55 | Dashkal | ben_ is factionrealm where "you" want to store the data (personal preference) or where the addon _needs_ the data stored to function? |
| 19:38.02 | Aens|Superiority | hrm... is there a way to force omen into treating ranged as melee? |
| 19:38.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Aens|Superiority: for what purpose? |
| 19:38.16 | ben_ | Dashkal: The latter. Concretely, I am storing what the daily pvp quest is there. |
| 19:38.19 | Aens|Superiority | brutallus |
| 19:38.28 | Dashkal | kk, definitely want db.factionrealm |
| 19:38.28 | ben_ | It does not make sense to store it in any other scope, and is not a user-configurable setting. |
| 19:38.51 | ben_ | So does it matter what I pass as third argument to New? |
| 19:38.53 | Aens|Superiority | sag_ich_nicht: as a safety net. We've had a couple casters pull aggro when omen showed them at 100% |
| 19:38.54 | ben_ | When does that come into play? |
| 19:39.00 | Snago | Is the daily different on different factions on the same realm? |
| 19:39.06 | Aens|Superiority | Snago: yes |
| 19:39.07 | sag_ich_nicht | Aens|Superiority: then they didn't set their omen to show tank as 100% |
| 19:39.07 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 19:39.10 | vithos | Aens|Superiority: what kind of tanks do you have? |
| 19:39.11 | Dashkal | db = AceDB:New(MyAddonDB, defaults) |
| 19:39.20 | Dashkal | third param is not required (it's for the default target of db.profile) |
| 19:39.20 | Aens|Superiority | vithos: one warr, one druid |
| 19:39.31 | sag_ich_nicht | tell them to go to modules/single target mode and to enable that option |
| 19:39.36 | ben_ | Is defaults like "{factionrealm = { my stuff here } }"? |
| 19:39.38 | Dashkal | then to access it use db.factionrealm.pvpquest = foo |
| 19:39.42 | ben_ | Or just "{ my stuff here }"? |
| 19:39.51 | Dashkal | defaults I cannot explain, sorry. I never got the hang of them |
| 19:39.54 | Aens|Superiority | sag_ich_nicht: well, the aggro bar would still show 130% though right? |
| 19:40.04 | ben_ | Is it save to just store a reference to db.factionrealm instead of db? |
| 19:40.11 | ben_ | Or does the value change due to magic reasons? |
| 19:40.14 | vithos | Aens|Superiority: well at least it's not a prot paladin (their taunt doesn't work on omen), but yeah, imo threat-2.0 is just way inaccurate still for some reason |
| 19:40.20 | Snago | ben_: {factionrealm = { my stuff here } } |
| 19:40.23 | ben_ | Snago: thanks |
| 19:40.43 | ben_ | So I can do local db = AceDB:New(foo, bar).factionrealm? |
| 19:41.17 | vithos | Aens|Superiority: but assuming omen were accurate, you could still just tell people to watch their % and not go over 110 |
| 19:41.20 | Aens|Superiority | like, we killed brutallus but at least 5 wipes were because of ranged being in melee range (unpreventable really), and omen's ~10% inaccuracy on the fight. |
| 19:41.23 | vithos | instead of 130 |
| 19:41.37 | Aens|Superiority | vithos: people kept pulling at 90% of the tank's 100 |
| 19:41.39 | Dashkal | you could, but it's standard usage to go db = AceDB:New(foo, bar) then refer to db.factionrealm.whatever |
| 19:41.48 | Aens|Superiority | got it frapsed several times too from the night of attempts |
| 19:41.52 | ben_ | Dashkal: Clearly that is slower because it has to look up factionrealm all the time :| |
| 19:42.08 | vithos | Aens|Superiority: ah, shitty. yeah i don't know what to tell you other than hope threat calculations get fixed |
| 19:42.12 | Dashkal | local fr = db.factionrealm; fr.foo = bar |
| 19:42.44 | Dashkal | makind db point directly to factionrealm makes it difficult for you to later add profile support (say you want to allow some user customization in terms of presentation) |
| 19:42.55 | ben_ | I guess |
| 19:43.11 | Snago | ben_: It should be safe, I usually store the base db on my addon object (self.db = AceDB:New()) and then have a local factionrealm = self.db.factionrealm |
| 19:43.30 | kergoth | Dashkal: not if you use the callbacks that happen when the profile is changed |
| 19:43.36 | kergoth | Dashkal: can just update the local in there |
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| 19:43.47 | Dashkal | that could work as well |
| 19:43.53 | ben_ | Snago: Seems reasonable. |
| 19:44.45 | Dashkal | Ace3 Question: Can AceOptions and AceDB be used independantly of AceAddon? |
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| 19:44.52 | Dashkal | AceOptions more so |
| 19:44.52 | Snago | That way settings can be changed in /script macros with some hacks if you're that kind of person ;) |
| 19:45.02 | kergoth | Dashkal: of course. |
| 19:45.05 | Dashkal | hotness.. |
| 19:45.14 | ben_ | Snago: That is the main configuration interface of one of my personal addons actually ;) |
| 19:45.15 | kergoth | it's a lot less tightly bound than ace2 was |
| 19:45.18 | keiss | Elsia: dunno yet what triggers it , but at some point when using 'Current fight' the fight stops automatically switching (data reset / switching to a diff fight and back fixes it) |
| 19:45.39 | Elsia | keiss: ok, hope I can reproduce it |
| 19:45.53 | Dashkal | I still haven't made a call about what framework Nexus will use. The only things I'm actually using from Rock are the test harness (Unit testing FTW) and options. Now I just need an "LUnit" standalone and I'm golden |
| 19:46.16 | Dashkal | I'd like to have Nexus itself use _no_ framework. It's so alien I don't gain that much from any |
| 19:46.22 | kergoth | the only thing i like about rockconfig that aceconfig doesnt have is color choosing by HSL/HSV |
| 19:46.34 | kergoth | but i'd rather see that added to the color chooser dialog |
| 19:47.02 | Dashkal | My strategy for options is "all of the above". I don't care too much about the backend, but I really want a familiar configuration. |
| 19:47.02 | CIA-39 | 03funkydude * r68645 10BigWigs/Karazhan/Malchezaar.lua: |
| 19:47.03 | CIA-39 | BigWigs: Karazhan/Malchezaar: |
| 19:47.03 | CIA-39 | - add respawn timer |
| 19:47.03 | CIA-39 | - tweak infernal timer |
| 19:47.21 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:39] <Aens|Superiority> sag_ich_nicht: well, the aggro bar would still show 130% though right? <--yupp, but trust me, it's way more intuitiv that way |
| 19:48.40 | Daemona | Funkeh` fyi magtheridon berserk 20min after channelers down |
| 19:48.47 | kergoth | sylvanaar_work: any idea why Prat would prevent chaticons from adding its icons /if/ it uses addmessageeventfilter? are you adding a filter thats returning true, ending the processing prematurely? |
| 19:48.54 | Dashkal | That means RockConfig integration, Ace integration, shashie config, and (ugh) fubar dropdown config |
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| 19:49.14 | ben_ | Does Ace come with a function that prints stuff in lua literal syntax into the chat frame? I have been using my homegrown one but it does not handle recursive tables. |
| 19:49.29 | sylvanaar_work | kergoth no, it should work, if it doesnt then its a bug in prat, and i'll fix it |
| 19:49.30 | Funkeh` | Daemona, evidence? |
| 19:49.54 | Daemona | a video of a feral and a resto druid 2maning it while 23 ppl watch? |
| 19:49.54 | Dashkal | ben_: I have no idea what defines it, but /dump |
| 19:49.55 | Daemona | ;) |
| 19:50.20 | kergoth | sylvanaar_work: k. thats how it seems here anyway, i tried converting it and saw no icons until i disabled prat on a hunch. i have another icon adding icons using an event filter that works fine, but its a loot event, one that i'm sure prat doesnt mess with |
| 19:50.24 | ben_ | I guess I can use that to look up the function name D: |
| 19:51.11 | Fisker- | what way to gurtogg from ashtongue? |
| 19:51.29 | keiss | Elsia: Ok ... warlock with a pet out -> set current fight -> fight something (works OK) -> mount up -> unmount -> fight something (now its stuck) |
| 19:51.44 | Daemona | and if you want more evidence Funkeh` i got chatlog screens of the Magtheridon breaks free and Maghteridon gains a berserking rage chatlog events ;) 20 min apart |
| 19:52.31 | Funkeh` | wheres the vid |
| 19:53.08 | Elsia | keiss: needs to have pet out for it to bug? |
| 19:53.12 | Daemona | its currently getting rendered Funkeh` ,) |
| 19:53.20 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 19:53.23 | Funkeh` | ok |
| 19:53.27 | Funkeh` | chatlog then |
| 19:53.29 | Daemona | 25 ppl enter, 2 stand alive |
| 19:53.31 | keiss | Elsia: sec ill check |
| 19:53.42 | Cyn1 | there a reason why skinner is using externals? |
| 19:53.48 | Cyn1 | is not |
| 19:53.58 | Arrowmaster | because jncl is a retard |
| 19:54.00 | CIA-39 | 03julith 07Julith * r68646 10MobSpells/ (MobSpells.lua localization/deDE.lua localization/enUS.lua): |
| 19:54.00 | CIA-39 | MobSpells: - tracking physical damage at cloth-armor and at plate (or bear) separately |
| 19:54.00 | CIA-39 | - removed glancing blowes from displayed spell flags |
| 19:54.01 | Arrowmaster | dont use skinner |
| 19:54.19 | Cyn1 | why? |
| 19:54.25 | Arrowmaster | becasue he cant code |
| 19:54.35 | Arrowmaster | and it always breaks shit |
| 19:54.37 | Cyn1 | is their abetter mod |
| 19:54.57 | Arrowmaster | a better mod to do nothing useful? |
| 19:55.26 | Tinyboom | for viewport; aperture |
| 19:55.30 | Fisker- | I WANT DIRECTIONS >* |
| 19:55.31 | Fisker- | :( |
| 19:55.42 | kergoth | i like the idea of being able to skin blzizard frames, but itd have to be a less fugly skin than the skinner one |
| 19:55.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:55.54 | CIA-39 | 03gagorian * r68647 10DrDamage/Melee.lua: |
| 19:55.54 | CIA-39 | DrDamage: |
| 19:55.54 | CIA-39 | - Also clear hit variable in melee module between calculations so weird things don't happen |
| 19:56.22 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 19:56.31 | Fisker- | noone knows how to get to gurtogg from the ashtongue "camp"? |
| 19:56.45 | Arrowmaster | left |
| 19:56.54 | Fisker- | lolwut? |
| 19:56.58 | Fisker- | that's akama and gorefiend |
| 19:57.02 | Arrowmaster | ok northwest |
| 19:57.13 | Arrowmaster | then north |
| 19:57.15 | Arrowmaster | then east |
| 19:57.17 | keiss | Elsia: seems so |
| 19:57.20 | doc^blup | right from the porter |
| 19:57.29 | Elsia | keiss: OK let me try if I can reproduce that with a hunter |
| 19:57.38 | Fisker- | kthx |
| 19:58.06 | Pkekyo| | anyone know if there's a file with the wow logo, without the text, in existence anywhere? |
| 19:58.24 | MentalPower | Pkekyo|: try the fansite kit |
| 19:58.30 | Pkekyo| | cheers |
| 19:58.38 | MentalPower | its has a PSD, dunno if the text is one of the layers |
| 20:00.00 | Pkekyo| | brilliant, I'll have a look |
| 20:00.19 | Elsia | anyone got a recent combat log parse that contains lifebloom events in it, best both stack rolling and blooming rotations |
| 20:00.46 | sylvanaar_work | kergoth i think I may have implemented the default UI filtering incorrectly by the looks of it - though I cant recall my rationale for doing the the way i did. I can look at it when i get home unless you want to play with it yourself |
| 20:00.56 | kergoth | k, thanks |
| 20:02.18 | charon | Elsia: just a log file, or something ingame? |
| 20:02.19 | kergoth | sylvanaar_work: filter, arg1 = filterFunc(arg1), arg1 |
| 20:02.19 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.29 | kergoth | it returns a true/false and the new arg1 |
| 20:03.10 | kergoth | though you probablyw ant to check the second return and only overwrite arg1 with it if it isnt nil, thats what ChatFrame.lua does, iirc |
| 20:03.13 | kergoth | pokes |
| 20:03.29 | sylvanaar_work | kergoth i guess that was a bug in an earlier chatframe.lua |
| 20:03.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:03.47 | sylvanaar_work | kergoth that code was just just cut/pasted from one of the test realm versions |
| 20:03.52 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 20:04.10 | Zeksie | sylvanaar_work: Added a new module to X-Perl, if you wanna adjust the package I'd appreciate it |
| 20:04.18 | Elsia | charon: just a log file |
| 20:04.28 | Elsia | keiss: you have it on current fight to get it stuck? |
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| 20:04.38 | charon | Elsia: i'll link a couple of raw raid logs if that helps |
| 20:04.42 | ben_ | This is a bit of an even more stupid question but my AceDB thing is not actually being stored between sessions. What am I doing wrong? |
| 20:04.45 | Elsia | charon: thanks |
| 20:04.46 | charon | there are bound to be tons of lifeblooms in there |
| 20:04.49 | ben_ | When am I supposed to do the AceDB:New part? |
| 20:04.53 | sylvanaar_work | Zeksie take a look at the package, just add line to filelist.wau + an empty folder with a dummy file in it |
| 20:05.09 | Zeksie | and externals i guess |
| 20:05.13 | sylvanaar_work | no |
| 20:05.19 | keiss | Elsia: yes ... otherwise i would expect it not to change :) |
| 20:05.39 | Elsia | `k |
| 20:05.40 | charon | Elsia: http://vmp.ethz.ch/~thomas/logs/ scroll down to the newest logs. there was always a resto druid among the setup so you really can't go wrong |
| 20:05.53 | sylvanaar_work | Zeksie take a look at it, its just empty folders and a filelist.wau |
| 20:06.00 | Vulcanus | the package for xperl doesnt seem to work, I don't see it in WAU. Do I need to remove xperl first or something? |
| 20:06.14 | Zeksie | looking |
| 20:06.20 | sylvanaar_work | Vulcanus it works fine |
| 20:06.23 | Snago | ben_: AceDB:New must be called after your variables have loaded (like in :OnInitialize if you're using AceAddon3) |
| 20:06.29 | Vulcanus | Ill check again |
| 20:06.32 | ben_ | Woops. |
| 20:06.33 | ben_ | Thanks. |
| 20:06.51 | Zeksie | Vulcanus, you prolly have to install the package first, before it knows to update the package. |
| 20:07.03 | Vulcanus | okay, Ill try that once I can log out, thanks both |
| 20:07.04 | ben_ | Snago: Did that change since ace2? |
| 20:07.13 | Pkekyo| | nah, the fansite kit was crap |
| 20:07.14 | Elsia | keiss: works fine on my hunter, who attacks first, your pet or the lock? |
| 20:07.20 | Elsia | charon: thanks |
| 20:07.37 | keiss | Elsia: no idea ill try some more |
| 20:07.41 | Snago | ben_: Yes, I think so. Don't remember exactly how Ace2 did it and I don't know why |
| 20:07.52 | charon | you're welcome |
| 20:07.56 | Vulcanus | btw do you know if the "Only You" in the Target tab is bugged with the target frame? I didn't get any figures on the target frame after I checked it, but I did do it in combat and haven't been able to test it with it being set before combat started. |
| 20:08.00 | sylvanaar_work | when you install the package, all the xperl_ stuff will be in the "Package contents" section (works just like !!!StandaloneLibraries used to) |
| 20:08.18 | Vulcanus | yeah but I don't see the package in the list in WAU, that's what I meant |
| 20:08.26 | Vulcanus | probs because I had xperl installed before you added it |
| 20:08.37 | sylvanaar_work | that shouldnt matter |
| 20:08.43 | Vulcanus | hm |
| 20:08.49 | sylvanaar_work | but you never know |
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| 20:09.04 | ckknight | durcyn: please go ahead |
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| 20:09.47 | Vulcanus | delete the wtf, omg and lmao folders? ;p hehe nah Ill figure it out, just wondered if it was a known problem |
| 20:09.52 | CIA-39 | 03zeksie * r68648 10XPerl_Package/ (3 files in 2 dirs): XPerl_Package: Added Custom Highlights module to package. |
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| 20:10.39 | ben_ | My AceDB data is still not persistent :\ |
| 20:10.55 | Elsia | ben_: are you creating it in OnInit? |
| 20:11.11 | ben_ | OnInit, as in OnInitialize, or literally OnInit? |
| 20:11.13 | Elsia | don't do it at the top of your lua file as one used to for acedb in ace2 |
| 20:11.14 | Chompers | stupid rogues, i just tried out the EJ rogue spreadsheet |
| 20:11.22 | Elsia | OnInitialize |
| 20:11.26 | CIA-39 | 03funkydude * r68649 10BigWigs/Outland/Magtheridon.lua: BigWigs: Outland/Magtheridon: add enrage |
| 20:11.29 | Chompers | why can't the warrior spreadsheet have armory import abilities |
| 20:11.36 | Chompers | >:| |
| 20:11.50 | ben_ | Elsia: In that case I think I am. |
| 20:11.54 | Elsia | saved vars have to be loaded first which isn't the case if the lua file is loaded, so you have to wait for oninitialize |
| 20:12.07 | Chompers | one button click and it gives a list of upgrades :o |
| 20:12.09 | ben_ | I am vaguely aware of the loading cycle, if not with this specifics. |
| 20:12.36 | Elsia | what's your acedb:new line look like in oninitialize? |
| 20:12.48 | ben_ | self.db = AceDB:New("myaddonameDB",{ |
| 20:13.07 | ben_ | The line above is local AceDB = LibStub("AceDB-3.0"). |
| 20:13.08 | Fisker- | lolwut Funkeh`? |
| 20:13.13 | Fisker- | magtheridon has enrage? |
| 20:13.19 | Funkeh` | indeed |
| 20:13.29 | Fisker- | that must be an even more silly timer than supremus :D |
| 20:13.29 | nevcairiel | so the myaddonameDB is the same as the SavedVariables line in your .toc ben_? |
| 20:13.48 | Funkeh` | Fisker-, 20minutes |
| 20:13.48 | ben_ | Oh come on |
| 20:13.55 | ben_ | I misspelled "SavedVariales" |
| 20:13.59 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:14.00 | Elsia | hehe |
| 20:14.06 | Fisker- | hoho Funkeh` |
| 20:14.16 | ben_ | Someone make a .toc validator :| |
| 20:14.58 | Snago | lol, yeah.. wtb tocc -p -l :P |
| 20:15.04 | CIA-39 | 03kergoth * r68650 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: fix the messageeventfilter handling. |
| 20:15.27 | haste | shouldn't be too hard to write a TOC validator :p |
| 20:15.32 | sylvanaar_work | kergoth thanks for the fix |
| 20:15.39 | nevcairiel | haste: get on it |
| 20:15.40 | kergoth | np, just copied & pasted the new code, works great now |
| 20:15.48 | ben_ | You could source a list of "valid" keys from wowwiki.com dynamically |
| 20:15.48 | haste | nevcairiel: no, I'm busy PLAYING D: |
| 20:15.57 | nevcairiel | haste: oh comeone, you cant trick me! |
| 20:15.58 | sylvanaar_work | kergoth awesome |
| 20:16.04 | haste | nevcairiel: oh shi- |
| 20:16.58 | NivFreak | hrmm |
| 20:17.04 | NivFreak | first sunwell gate is open eh |
| 20:17.08 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:17.10 | nevcairiel | it is? |
| 20:17.16 | kergoth | lua doesnt have a pattern for "word boundary" does it? |
| 20:17.18 | keiss | Elsia: on a side note ... the current fight selection doesn't survive a logout , wtb that (sets to overall data) |
| 20:17.31 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: on the US servers at least |
| 20:17.35 | Arrowmaster | kergoth: %f |
| 20:17.39 | Elsia | keiss: k, will see what I can do |
| 20:17.46 | Arrowmaster | kergoth: look it up on the lua-users wiki |
| 20:17.55 | Daemona | haha Chompers ? ;) |
| 20:17.56 | kergoth | ah, okay, thanks |
| 20:18.10 | Arrowmaster | kergoth: theres also %b but i dont know if that works with spaces |
| 20:18.25 | nevcairiel | isnt %b just balanced matches? |
| 20:18.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 20:18.37 | Arrowmaster | probably wont work with spaces |
| 20:18.45 | sylvanaar_work | that reminds me - you know i should have put a space at the beginning and end of prat's chat .MESSAGE field before i ran patterns on it |
| 20:18.52 | nevcairiel | %f isnt even in the lua manual o.O |
| 20:18.58 | dylanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.07 | Arrowmaster | oh god this 4chan thread is win |
| 20:19.09 | kergoth | http://lua-users.org/wiki/FrontierPattern |
| 20:19.10 | kergoth | nice |
| 20:19.41 | sylvanaar_work | i think adding a spaces at each end of the string solves alot of problems |
| 20:20.00 | CIA-39 | 03starinnia * r68651 10SimpleMD/ (SMD_Defaults.lua SMD_Menu.lua SimpleMD.lua): SimpleMD: Fix the boolean concat error, line 261 |
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| 20:22.23 | Arrowmaster | be back in 30 minutes or so once i get to class and get proxied back through my home box |
| 20:22.54 | Arrowmaster | ssh on https port ftw |
| 20:22.56 | keiss | Elsia: i cant reproduce it reliably at this point , dunno whats the common thing yet |
| 20:23.10 | Elsia | keiss: thanks I'll keep an eye open for it |
| 20:25.39 | ben_ | Can lua patterns do "foo(bar|baz)"? |
| 20:25.54 | dylanm | No. |
| 20:26.12 | dylanm | You search twice and you lovvveee it. |
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| 20:26.20 | ben_ | Can they do .{1,10}? |
| 20:26.29 | haste | no |
| 20:26.46 | ben_ | Just how slow would it be to port PCREs to lua? |
| 20:26.50 | haste | slow |
| 20:26.54 | haste | it's already ported however |
| 20:26.57 | haste | and PCRE are slow :p |
| 20:27.10 | ben_ | Yeah. But they are expressive. :( |
| 20:27.16 | haste | http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html |
| 20:27.18 | haste | and so on |
| 20:27.50 | Fisker- | i hai'd you haste |
| 20:27.55 | Fisker- | we're on bloodboil ooooh |
| 20:28.31 | Fisker- | this is going to be raep raep raep |
| 20:28.49 | Chompers | FISKER |
| 20:28.57 | Chompers | i'm watching you |
| 20:28.59 | Fisker- | CHOMPERS |
| 20:29.00 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 20:29.04 | Fisker- | I'M HAVING SEX WITH YOUR BUTT |
| 20:29.05 | sag_ich_nicht | my raid just compared me to nefarian |
| 20:29.06 | sag_ich_nicht | WIN |
| 20:29.14 | Chompers | so you are fisker, so you are. |
| 20:29.20 | haste | Fisker-: wat |
| 20:29.57 | Fisker- | wat indeed |
| 20:30.01 | Fisker- | wat wat in the butt |
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| 20:30.24 | CIA-39 | 03ammo * r68652 10LockSmith/ (LockSmith.lua LockSmith.toc libs/ libs.xml): LockSmith: get rid of LBS-3.0, thanks Durcyn |
| 20:30.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Fisker- <3 |
| 20:30.47 | sag_ich_nicht | ~Fisker-++ |
| 20:30.48 | Fisker- | definitely |
| 20:31.05 | ckknight | LBS reminds me of IBS |
| 20:31.10 | ckknight | irritable bowel syndrome. |
| 20:32.24 | Chaud | This answered all of my hyjal/bt questions |
| 20:32.25 | Chaud | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4493774227&sid=1&pageNo=1#0 |
| 20:32.27 | kergoth | http://kergoth.pastey.net/85355 :) |
| 20:32.42 | kergoth | uses money icons for someone saying "you owe me 30g" or whatever in chat |
| 20:32.42 | kergoth | heh |
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| 20:37.00 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 20:37.03 | Fisker- | bloodboil seems easy |
| 20:38.00 | Fisker- | do you need to position him during fel rage? |
| 20:38.27 | Maelos` | He should be repositioned to where the MTs tank him |
| 20:38.44 | Fisker- | ok |
| 20:38.52 | Fisker- | still casts acid breath i guess? |
| 20:39.15 | Maelos` | So leading up to the fel rage, you need to spread everyone out |
| 20:39.28 | Maelos` | Then once it's on someone, have people clump up by group |
| 20:39.32 | Maelos` | So that CoH and chain heals work |
| 20:39.43 | [Ammo] | we have the fel rage target jump down |
| 20:39.47 | [Ammo] | and the rest move up |
| 20:39.48 | [Ammo] | and clump |
| 20:40.05 | [Ammo] | outheal the damage and don't make it too complicated :) |
| 20:40.31 | Dranor | we make the fel raged stand where he is and make everyone arround him run for their lives |
| 20:41.29 | Maelos` | Important thing is to tell your healers they dont need to top everyone off |
| 20:41.39 | Maelos` | Just keep the bloodboil people healed enough to live |
| 20:41.51 | Maelos` | Healers need to spam their biggest heals on the fel rage tank |
| 20:41.53 | Dranor | which is really fun if you are trying to keep them alive with chain heals |
| 20:42.10 | Dranor | spreading is a bad thing in that case :P |
| 20:42.30 | Maelos` | Optimize for healing in general |
| 20:42.34 | Maelos` | It's really not much of a dps race |
| 20:42.42 | Maelos` | We usually don't even DPS at all until the first fel rage transition |
| 20:42.51 | keiss | hehe |
| 20:43.57 | CIA-39 | 03adirelle * r68653 10SimpleSelfRebuff/buffs/paladin.lua: |
| 20:43.57 | CIA-39 | SimpleSelfRebuff: |
| 20:43.57 | CIA-39 | - converted paladin buffs to spellids, |
| 20:43.57 | CIA-39 | - made all auras "mount friendly". |
| 20:44.56 | CIA-39 | 03funkydude * r68654 10BigWigs/Karazhan/Malchezaar.lua: BigWigs: Karazhan/Malchezaar; Tweak infernal trigger |
| 20:45.43 | Maelos` | I am surprised at the conclusion from http://jira.wowace.com/browse/ACE-114 |
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| 20:46.04 | Maelos` | Right now only a few mods are Ace3. When more convert it's going to be a problem. |
| 20:46.50 | Crazyshots | Hi sorry to intrude, I was wondering if their is any mod that you can customize on who to accept/decline invites from automatically. |
| 20:48.05 | Kemayo | AutoAccept? |
| 20:48.19 | Maelos` | I think assister will too |
| 20:48.31 | Dashkal | pastamancer: Well this is nifty. My code isn't firing when triggering on "Grid_Enabled". Is it incorrect to catch that event with self:RegisterEvent("Grid_Enabled", update) ? |
| 20:48.35 | Kemayo | I meant AutoAcceptInvite, actually. Forgot the full name. |
| 20:48.53 | Crazyshots | Thank you |
| 20:48.58 | pastamancer | Dashkal: chances are it's being fired before your OnEnable |
| 20:49.14 | Dashkal | hmm, ok, falling back on raw "update()" in that method then |
| 20:49.55 | Dashkal | ok, calling update() from there called update (obviously) but nothing happened and Grid gave no debug output |
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| 20:50.18 | Dashkal | forcing my update made the indicator appear, but still no debug from grid to tell me what's different |
| 20:50.32 | dylanm | Maelos`: Wait, which mode do you want? |
| 20:50.47 | pastamancer | Dashkal: did you turn on debugging for GridStatus? |
| 20:50.51 | Dashkal | I did |
| 20:51.07 | Dashkal | Lots of (DEBUG) GridStatus[13:49:18.842] Style messages |
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| 20:51.10 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Antiarc] by ChanServ |
| 20:54.08 | pastamancer | Dashkal: pastey your code again? |
| 20:54.13 | Dashkal | there, managed to notice Grid_Enabled. Yeah, firing long before my OnEnabled() ever got called |
| 20:54.16 | Dashkal | sec |
| 20:54.42 | ben_ | How does Memoization avoid collisions? |
| 20:55.08 | Dashkal | http://ace.pastey.net/85338 |
| 20:55.23 | Dashkal | Since then I've only moved GridStatusParty.debug.update() to GridStatusParty.update() |
| 20:56.11 | Dashkal | and I uncommented line 231 to call update() right from :OnEnable() |
| 20:57.09 | Nandini | grr blizzard has created overlapping subzones in IoQ, if you approach the flight master from the staging area side, the subzone remains "shattered sun staging area" but if you approach it from the harbor side it remains "Sun's Reach Harbor" |
| 20:58.13 | CIA-39 | 03broesel01 * r68655 10Quiet_Npc/ (5 files): |
| 20:58.13 | CIA-39 | Quiet_Npc |
| 20:58.13 | CIA-39 | - Npc's geaddet |
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| 20:59.19 | CIA-39 | 03ammo * r68656 10CrowBar/ (CrowBar.lua CrowBar.toc libs/ libs.xml locale/): CrowBar: remove all localization need through GetSpellInfo() |
| 20:59.57 | pastamancer | Dashkal: add some debug code in update to see what UnitIsPartyLeader is returning? |
| 20:59.58 | durcyn | [Ammo]: *cheer* |
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| 21:00.27 | Bruners | love the new badges from bt, and 3 from illidan \o/ |
| 21:00.44 | Dashkal | see line 56. I turned nil back to 1 (and removed the check on 57). I should be setting the flag unconditionally |
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| 21:01.00 | Maelos` | We're still a few days away from the vendor |
| 21:01.37 | CIA-39 | 03alar * r68657 10AlarLib/ (AlarLib-2.0/AlarLib-2.0.lua AlarLib.toc AlarLib.txt): |
| 21:01.37 | CIA-39 | AlarLib |
| 21:01.37 | CIA-39 | Fix Removed debug spam when opening a panel (message was: AMO: function ..... |
| 21:01.37 | CIA-39 | Removed AlarLib.txt |
| 21:02.12 | CIA-39 | 03ammo * r68658 10CrowBar/CrowBar.lua: CrowBar: tweak |
| 21:02.16 | pastamancer | Dashkal: you're saying SendStatusGained isn't doing anything the first time you call update? |
| 21:02.22 | Dashkal | that is correct |
| 21:02.31 | Dashkal | There is no affect when update() is called from OnEnable() |
| 21:02.42 | Dashkal | only when called manually by /run() and when triggered by party change |
| 21:03.03 | Dashkal | also, I cannot type today *sighs* |
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| 21:03.46 | NivFreak | looks like we still have 5-6 days until our anvil is done |
| 21:04.15 | Dashkal | I love gorgonnash. Predicting anvil in 5 days for Maelstrom |
| 21:04.35 | Dashkal | sadly it'll prolly be may by the time I get my 150 *sighs* I gotta raid more |
| 21:04.45 | CIA-39 | 03ammo * r68659 10LockSmith/LockSmith.lua: LockSmith: tweak |
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| 21:04.51 | CIA-39 | 03kergoth * r68660 10/branches/CrowBar/ (. Auto/): CrowBar: branch to automatically open stuff. |
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| 21:05.56 | Dashkal | If it matters, I assigned alert_partylead to the topleft indicator with no other alerts on that spot |
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| 21:06.52 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Antiarc] by ChanServ |
| 21:07.05 | Cyn1 | question |
| 21:07.13 | sag_ich_nicht | ~karma Fisker- |
| 21:07.13 | purl | fisker- has karma of -5 |
| 21:07.15 | sag_ich_nicht | ~karma sag_ich_nicht |
| 21:07.15 | purl | sag_ich_nicht has neutral karma |
| 21:07.18 | sag_ich_nicht | \o/ |
| 21:08.02 | Crazyshots | Anyone use AntiIgnore before, doesn't seem to be working though it was updated 5 days ago. |
| 21:08.07 | Cyn1 | say you had a guild officer, who sold your MH ID cause you didnt finish archimonde so you could kill illi that week for 500g and a t6 headpiece |
| 21:08.30 | sag_ich_nicht | selling IDs=lame |
| 21:08.35 | Cyn1 | do you think that is is prety shaddy, cause he no has ~100 more dkp over the other hunter/druids/rogues |
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| 21:08.55 | ben_ | Clearly the solution is to sell the ID the next week yourself |
| 21:09.00 | Cyn1 | i know |
| 21:09.07 | Cyn1 | i could totally sell my ids |
| 21:09.13 | ArrowmasterClass | look for a new guild or get the officer removed |
| 21:09.24 | Cyn1 | shit i could sell out bt id after ros |
| 21:09.38 | ben_ | I am not sure I understand the "so you could illi that week" party |
| 21:09.40 | ben_ | part* |
| 21:09.42 | Crazyshots | People try to steal our ID's thats why i want AntiInvite so it will decline all invites except in the guild :P |
| 21:09.54 | Cyn1 | yea we still take a few attempts on archi |
| 21:10.05 | Cyn1 | so we clear all 4 bosses and attempt archi |
| 21:10.11 | Cyn1 | usually we kill archi on mondays |
| 21:10.15 | durcyn | solution: be less bad. |
| 21:10.28 | Cyn1 | we jsut started bt/nh content |
| 21:10.46 | Cyn1 | abotu 3-4 weeks |
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| 21:11.12 | Cyn1 | but we got illi down last ngiht, and sice we didnt finish MH |
| 21:11.34 | Cyn1 | he sold the ID fro 1000g |
| 21:11.39 | Cyn1 | and gave it to the gbank |
| 21:11.42 | Cyn1 | but he got t6 |
| 21:11.55 | Cyn1 | i dont know blah |
| 21:12.25 | ArrowmasterClass | you just started bt/mh and got illi down last night? |
| 21:12.47 | Chaud | they are quick learners |
| 21:12.59 | Chaud | Clearly in <PvE is Hard> |
| 21:13.53 | CIA-39 | 03cronan * r68661 10scorchio/ (core.lua embeds.xml locales/localisation-kr.lua scorchio.toc): |
| 21:13.53 | CIA-39 | scorchio: |
| 21:13.53 | CIA-39 | - 2.4 update (version 0.61) |
| 21:13.53 | CIA-39 | - Add koKR locale |
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| 21:15.39 | Crazyshots | How can I browse previous versions of addons? |
| 21:16.20 | CIA-39 | 03dodge 07rewrite * r68662 10CoolDownButtons/ (7 files in 2 dirs): CoolDownButtons: the show must go on (aka first configuration implemented :D) |
| 21:16.23 | ArrowmasterClass | files.wowace.com/<AddonName>/ |
| 21:17.13 | Snago | or fish.wowace.com |
| 21:17.31 | Crazyshots | tyvm |
| 21:17.58 | Snago | files for downloads, fish for changelogs |
| 21:18.22 | CIA-39 | 03dodge 07rewrite * r68663 10CoolDownButtons/ (config.lua init.lua): CoolDownButtons: added missing revision check :) |
| 21:18.48 | [SW]Dodge | g'night all :) |
| 21:21.42 | Crazyshots | Anyone use AntiInvite? |
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| 21:23.22 | ArrowmasterClass | i hate school computers, cant change the damn screen res |
| 21:24.45 | CIA-39 | 03kergoth 07Auto * r68664 10CrowBar/ (CrowBar.lua libs/): CrowBar: toss the button, just make it open the stuff. |
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| 21:32.31 | Cyn1 | yea we have been in MH fro 4-5 weeks |
| 21:32.37 | Cyn1 | and bt fro 4 |
| 21:32.43 | Cyn1 | for* 4 weeks |
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| 21:33.16 | Cyn1 | MH is basically ssc/tk difficulty other than archimonde |
| 21:33.35 | Cyn1 | then 1st 5 bosses in BT are of the same difficulty |
| 21:33.51 | Cyn1 | but anyways, shoudl i bring what he did to the other officers? |
| 21:33.59 | Cyn1 | casue i dont want to go all emo |
| 21:34.50 | CIA-39 | 03cronan * r68665 10scorchio/ (. icons/ libs/): |
| 21:34.50 | CIA-39 | scorchio: |
| 21:34.50 | CIA-39 | - Externals cleanup |
| 21:35.20 | hypetech | anybody know if that scorchio commit included a code fix as well? |
| 21:35.34 | hypetech | oh nvm, just saw the earlier commit |
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| 21:36.51 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 21:36.53 | sag_ich_nicht | question |
| 21:37.10 | sag_ich_nicht | why the fuck are najentus, supremus and all of the trash so damn fucking easy |
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| 21:37.22 | sag_ich_nicht | seriously, attumen is more of a challenge than supremus :/ |
| 21:37.30 | Cyn1 | lulz |
| 21:37.43 | Chaud | sag_ich_nicht http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4493774227&sid=1&pageNo=1#0 |
| 21:38.02 | Cyn1 | attume is hard cause tanks are rage starved |
| 21:38.03 | Chaud | It's oldish but still pro |
| 21:38.05 | Cyn1 | and you pull agro |
| 21:38.06 | Falco-r | is the wowace updater not working ?? |
| 21:38.28 | hypetech | hmm...how do I UN ignore an addon in WAU? It doesn't show up in the list now that I ignored it :( |
| 21:38.33 | hypetech | I think I hurt it's feelings |
| 21:38.42 | CIA-39 | 03pettigrow * r68666 10LibBabble-Boss-3.0/LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Boss-3.0: frFR Update |
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| 21:38.48 | hypetech | bah nvm, found it at the bottom |
| 21:38.50 | Chaud | WAU works fine for me |
| 21:38.56 | Chaud | l2internets |
| 21:39.00 | hypetech | same here btw |
| 21:39.01 | hypetech | working fine |
| 21:39.04 | Falco-r | hmmm |
| 21:39.28 | Chaud | you must be a keyboard turning mouth breather Falco-r =p |
| 21:40.08 | charon | Antiarc: have you had a chance to look at my patches? |
| 21:40.10 | Falco-r | it starts like it is going to update.. then it just quits with no updating .. |
| 21:40.26 | Falco-r | chaud .. a what ? |
| 21:40.54 | hypetech | a "noob" |
| 21:40.59 | hypetech | I think is what he's getting at |
| 21:41.22 | Chaud | maybe a clicker too. |
| 21:42.10 | hypetech | ooooooo |
| 21:42.14 | hypetech | that's just low |
| 21:42.40 | ben_ | Is there an addon that alerts me when someone in my raid is casting Rebirth at me? |
| 21:42.53 | ben_ | So that I can react faster and accept the ress instantly |
| 21:42.55 | Chaud | ventrilo |
| 21:43.04 | Falco-r | well. this is the 1st time WAU has done this :-) |
| 21:43.10 | Chaud | or have it on auto accept and pray that you don't die when it takes it =p |
| 21:43.11 | hypetech | ben_: well there are mods to instantly accept rezzes, but I think that would be a bad idea for combat rez |
| 21:43.36 | hypetech | I'd say ventrilo is really the best tool for combat rez notification |
| 21:43.52 | ben_ | Ventrilo does not come with a Linux client. |
| 21:44.17 | hypetech | er. what? |
| 21:44.21 | hypetech | you can run vent on linux |
| 21:44.39 | ben_ | Not natively. |
| 21:44.43 | ben_ | Huh? It just crashen when I run it with wine. |
| 21:44.46 | ben_ | crashes* |
| 21:45.11 | Falco-r | seems vent linux is in development :-) |
| 21:45.13 | Chaud | rofl |
| 21:45.25 | ben_ | Falco-r: It has been for as long as I have been in guilds using Ventrilo, at least. |
| 21:45.36 | Antiarc | charon: Where? |
| 21:45.40 | Chaud | that is what you get for using linux =p |
| 21:45.41 | charon | gmail |
| 21:45.47 | Antiarc | Oh, no, not yet, lemme look |
| 21:46.04 | charon | no hurries. minor stuff, just wondering ;) |
| 21:46.10 | Falco-r | heh.. seems linux apps are always last :-( |
| 21:46.15 | Chaud | whatis this third party utility linux ventrilo script? |
| 21:46.50 | CIA-39 | 03sungam * r68667 10Librameister/Librameister.lua: Librameister: - L ~= S, possible fix for not reacting to holy light casts |
| 21:48.07 | Primer | Falco-r: linux vent has been "in development" for something like 6 years now |
| 21:48.28 | Falco-r | wow |
| 21:48.52 | Primer | I always liked Teamspeak, simply because they had a native Linux app long ago |
| 21:49.01 | Primer | but for some reason, people preferred vent |
| 21:49.02 | Falco-r | didn't think linux would be so difficult to develop for ... |
| 21:49.14 | Falco-r | i like TS as well .. |
| 21:49.28 | Primer | in all fairness, linux audio has historically been...a moving target |
| 21:49.39 | Falco-r | :-) |
| 21:49.42 | charon | Primer: it's native, and as most non-free native linux software, broken. *cough* |
| 21:49.43 | Primer | with the whole OSS vs. ALSA thing |
| 21:49.51 | Dashkal | *snort* vent for linux is not in development. That paranoid author won't ever release |
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| 21:50.15 | Dashkal | ALSA has been the standard for a good while now... |
| 21:50.16 | Primer | eh? TS is free |
| 21:50.26 | Primer | yeah, but may people resisted alsa |
| 21:50.28 | charon | it's not free software, is it |
| 21:50.33 | Dashkal | Oh you have no idea how much I'd like to be rid of Ventrilo |
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| 21:50.40 | Primer | free as in "open source", no, it's not |
| 21:50.41 | Dashkal | That author is _really_ bad |
| 21:50.42 | Vanesco | Hi, just a quick question.. is there a way to ankh up if the option to ankh has gone missing after a dc etc? like the /script RepopMe(); command |
| 21:50.50 | Vanesco | Sorry for the OT question |
| 21:51.01 | Chaud | teamspeak is awful =\ |
| 21:51.15 | Dashkal | Chaud: Sadly you're right. Vent, as awful as it is, is the only option |
| 21:51.33 | Dashkal | And I'm not capable of digital audio processing or I'd be really tempted to write my own. |
| 21:51.42 | ArrowmasterClass | Snago: check IHML thread |
| 21:51.50 | charon | Dashkal: there is an open-source ts/vent replacement called Mumble |
| 21:51.57 | ben_ | Primer: It is "free as in speech" not "as in 'open source'" |
| 21:52.05 | Dashkal | charon: sweet *dives onto goodle* |
| 21:52.32 | Dashkal | ventrilo isn't even free as in free beer. It's locked right down. The client is free solely to give it market share |
| 21:52.32 | charon | haven't tried it however. i think my whole-guild-please-install-this energy is best spent on Omen for now |
| 21:52.48 | Primer | well, the server is free, albeit limited |
| 21:52.51 | Chaud | I would never install it =\ |
| 21:52.58 | Chaud | no one uses it =p |
| 21:53.00 | Dashkal | there's a distinct possibility that we may lose our vent server.. if that happens I have a chance to force a change :p |
| 21:53.03 | Primer | in the number of concurrent connections it can sustain |
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| 21:53.20 | ArrowmasterClass | vent client for linux is not in development |
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| 21:53.34 | Dashkal | Bigger problem for me is finding a shell to stick a vent-alike on. |
| 21:53.43 | ArrowmasterClass | they just created that section of on the forums and locked it to shut people up that kept asking for it |
| 21:53.44 | Primer | heh, I use TS to play games with my kid. He's in his room, I'm in mine, and we talk of TS |
| 21:53.49 | Primer | Dashkal: you mean a vent server? |
| 21:54.00 | Dashkal | Primer: The idea is to get rid of vent |
| 21:54.00 | Falco-r | my understanding with TS is as long as you don't charge to use it.. its free .. vent, nope .. |
| 21:54.01 | Chaud | Primer why not use vent =\ |
| 21:54.14 | Chaud | we used it in the dorms to play DotA =p |
| 21:54.19 | Primer | Chaud: when I originally set this up, there was no vent |
| 21:54.29 | Chaud | how long ago 0o |
| 21:54.38 | Primer | about 4 years ago |
| 21:54.43 | Primer | I guess vent existed |
| 21:54.51 | Primer | just might not have been as popular |
| 21:55.02 | Chaud | I used teamspeak once |
| 21:55.04 | Dashkal | 4-5 years ago TS was still standard. then vent moved in and took over |
| 21:55.06 | Chaud | then uninstalled |
| 21:55.11 | Chaud | because it failed |
| 21:55.17 | Dashkal | Vent fails |
| 21:55.31 | ArrowmasterClass | old TS failed, it used to always crash for me |
| 21:55.38 | Falco-r | i managed to set up a TS server on my linux box.. seemed to work pretty well .. |
| 21:55.41 | Dashkal | 4 years ago it had this bug where people would randomly sound all garbled. The bug is still fucking there. |
| 21:55.46 | Bersirc | Hi all, its been ages I last used IRC... where do I register to this server so I can whisper pastamancer? atm I'm not allowed to whisper it seems. |
| 21:55.51 | Primer | Dashkal: well, I have my own Linux server, I could run a mumble server to test |
| 21:56.03 | Primer | we have plenty of bandwidth |
| 21:56.07 | ben_ | Bersirc: nickserv |
| 21:56.13 | ArrowmasterClass | Bersirc: try checking www.freenode.net |
| 21:56.15 | Dashkal | be a nifty experiment anyway. and that's how I'd do it to test (got a server, but crap bandwidth) |
| 21:56.19 | [eu]gunder | Bersirc: register your nickname with /nickserv |
| 21:56.22 | Chaud | I have that bug with people sounding odd as well =\ |
| 21:56.23 | Dashkal | but if I were to move the guild, I'd want it on a hosted shell |
| 21:56.34 | Chaud | only happens on servers with speex |
| 21:56.42 | Primer | Dashkal: I'm installing it now |
| 21:56.43 | Bersirc | thanks, the site doesnt open atm, thus I asked here. ill talk to nickserv whoever it is :)) |
| 21:56.55 | Dashkal | Primer: Gonna be on in approx 4 hours? |
| 21:57.06 | Primer | Dashkal: my client is connected 24/7 |
| 21:57.18 | Primer | I'll get /msg regardless |
| 21:57.25 | *** part/#wowace Chaud (n=chaudhar@75-136-135-060.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) |
| 21:57.25 | ArrowmasterClass | Bersirc: /msg nickserv help register |
| 21:57.27 | Dashkal | I meant you. I don't tend to poke servers randomly when people aren't about :p |
| 21:57.28 | ben_ | Is anyone else in here using wine to run WoW? |
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| 21:57.30 | Primer | of me being in front of an IRC |
| 21:57.36 | Primer | but yeah |
| 21:57.50 | Primer | err, well, I'll be leaving to go home around then |
| 21:57.58 | Primer | but I should be back on not long afterwards |
| 21:58.03 | *** part/#wowace Falco-r (n=Falco-r@S0106000c41d37d96.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 21:58.13 | Primer | I really need to get this box off genpoo |
| 21:58.15 | Dashkal | *nods* I go home from work in 3, so I'll be able to poke at it myself then. |
| 21:58.28 | Dashkal | heh, gentoo... gimme gentoo with a binary package repo and I'd love it. |
| 21:58.29 | Bersirc | thanks ArrowmasterClass and gunder |
| 21:58.39 | Dashkal | easy compile from source is good. mandatory compile from source sucks |
| 21:58.43 | Primer | at the time gentoo was great, ultra-configurable |
| 21:58.53 | Primer | but now it's just a maintenance nightmare |
| 21:59.18 | Dashkal | touching use flags = broken compile... making that feature worse than useless |
| 21:59.26 | Primer | let's see if the client is available from a yum repo |
| 21:59.36 | Primer | my workstation is Fedora 8 |
| 21:59.44 | ArrowmasterClass | gentoo has always been fail |
| 21:59.47 | Primer | heh, not found...of course |
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| 21:59.56 | Dashkal | I work on Ubuntu Gutsy. I fart around at home on Kubuntu-frankenstein with multiple repos |
| 22:00.14 | Primer | seems the mumble author is a deb dude |
| 22:00.18 | Primer | lotsa debs |
| 22:00.25 | ArrowmasterClass | deb > * |
| 22:00.32 | Primer | pft |
| 22:00.35 | Primer | no it's not |
| 22:00.36 | ckknight | x = ArrowmasterClass.new :hello => "there" |
| 22:00.43 | Dashkal | I'm kinda surprised Vent hasn't been reverse engineered by now |
| 22:00.56 | Primer | reverse engineering isn't easy |
| 22:00.57 | ckknight | or perhaps just var x = new ArrowmasterClass() |
| 22:01.02 | ArrowmasterClass | vent has lotsa lawyers |
| 22:01.13 | ben_ | Yay ruby |
| 22:01.19 | Dashkal | deb is good, but I don't see it as inherently better than rpm (now that rpm doesn't suck... remember redhat 6?) |
| 22:01.23 | contego | ben_: waht trouble you got with wow and wine? |
| 22:01.25 | ckknight | ben_: hehe |
| 22:01.30 | Dashkal | Develop out of the US. plenty of talented europeans |
| 22:01.48 | ArrowmasterClass | rpm sucks just because its rpm |
| 22:01.58 | Primer | people are biased against Redhat |
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| 22:02.02 | ben_ | contego: It prevents all other applications from playing sound. |
| 22:02.03 | Dashkal | I won't even consider moving to the US (I'm canadian). mmm, copyright cartel |
| 22:02.03 | ArrowmasterClass | duh |
| 22:02.05 | ckknight | Dashkal: deb is good because of the huge central repository, rpm's just as good, but there's more divergence, which means it sucks |
| 22:02.07 | Primer | but Redhat really has lead the way in Linux distros |
| 22:02.19 | Primer | they're not afraid of using new stuff |
| 22:02.24 | Dashkal | ckknight: deb is splintered right down the middle: Debian vs Ubuntu |
| 22:02.28 | Primer | unlike...debian... |
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| 22:02.33 | ckknight | yea, I know, Dashkal |
| 22:02.36 | Primer | fucking stale old software that's "stable" |
| 22:02.41 | ArrowmasterClass | debian is about stablity |
| 22:02.43 | ckknight | Ubuntu ftw |
| 22:02.44 | Dashkal | vanilla debian is useless in another other than a rock-stable server. for that it's good |
| 22:02.44 | charon | ben_: winecfg and switch sound to alsa. and don't upgrade to 0.9.59, you'll lose the ability to alt-click |
| 22:02.45 | Primer | no |
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| 22:03.01 | contego | ben_: dont use hardware sound and dont use microphone |
| 22:03.11 | Dashkal | wow, dropping words now. very nice, Dashkal. "another" -> "anything other" |
| 22:03.13 | ArrowmasterClass | most debian users that arent using it for production servers use testing anyway |
| 22:03.31 | Dashkal | deb testing was all I used, but even that is pretty dated a lot of the time |
| 22:03.39 | ArrowmasterClass | not really |
| 22:03.52 | Dashkal | I should qualify that by saying it was at the time I used it (pre 3.1) |
| 22:04.05 | ArrowmasterClass | heh |
| 22:04.12 | ArrowmasterClass | was 3.0 for me |
| 22:04.17 | Dashkal | I'm happy with my 6 month release cycle |
| 22:04.19 | Primer | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `mumble_en.qm', needed by `mumble'. Stop. |
| 22:04.23 | Primer | so much for that... |
| 22:04.23 | ben_ | contego: I have "Use Hardware" disabled in WoW and no other option but ALSA, and I am not sure what you mean by microphone. |
| 22:04.27 | ArrowmasterClass | until i installed the latest testing on a new box the other week |
| 22:04.32 | Dashkal | ouch, that's epic fail |
| 22:04.43 | ArrowmasterClass | my old debian box died =( |
| 22:04.51 | ArrowmasterClass | i miss my 166mhz server |
| 22:04.57 | ben_ | Do I need to set Hardware Acceleration to Emulation and check Driver Emulation in winecfg? |
| 22:04.58 | Dashkal | oh, it's QT. need the qt dev crap |
| 22:05.01 | Primer | I'm wondering if it's because I'm on x86_64 |
| 22:05.10 | Dashkal | I'll test that at home. I don't want the qt dev libs on my work box |
| 22:05.21 | contego | if you have wow internal voice enabled it will take controll of the device |
| 22:05.28 | Dashkal | I'll let you know, the home box is 64 |
| 22:05.42 | Dashkal | wow internal voice == _epic_ fail |
| 22:05.46 | ArrowmasterClass | this class is so boring |
| 22:05.48 | Chaud | you could always install windows =p |
| 22:06.05 | CIA-39 | 03sungam * r68668 10Librameister/ (Librameister.lua localization.lua): Librameister: - Fixed some names, opened for localizations of names |
| 22:06.07 | ben_ | contego: Oh, I see! |
| 22:06.08 | contego | ben_: have yoiu tried changing your wine config. to use alternate sound architecture? (oss/alsa/emu) |
| 22:06.23 | Dashkal | when our vent server decided to die we near had to call the raid it sucked so bad. Got bailed out by a guildie who had an unused server floating around |
| 22:06.25 | charon | ben_: also check that your alsa output device is not 'hw' ('dmix' is usually a good choice) |
| 22:06.29 | ben_ | "ALSA Driver" is the only option in the tree thing under "Sound drivers" |
| 22:06.55 | Chaud | Dashkal how do you not have other vents you could have gone to in a few min =\ |
| 22:07.22 | Dashkal | *shrugs* we just don't? |
| 22:07.23 | contego | i run with pulseaudio, had to hack my driver some to allow the usage of the microphone. but it works. |
| 22:07.33 | ArrowmasterClass | teacher is bitching about GUIs again |
| 22:07.33 | Dashkal | vent servers cost cold hard cash |
| 22:07.46 | Dashkal | only so many people in a guild will do that |
| 22:07.55 | Chaud | we have like 10 guilds + that wouldn't care if we used theirs for a night |
| 22:08.03 | Dashkal | Nexus is partially borne of the fact that nobody wants to pay for forums :p |
| 22:08.09 | ArrowmasterClass | lol |
| 22:08.11 | ben_ | contego: I disabled the ingame voice input, let me see what that does. |
| 22:08.24 | ben_ | I did not get around to setting up pulseaudio. I have no idea what that entails. |
| 22:08.29 | Chaud | even if you have forums people are too lazy to visit |
| 22:08.35 | Dashkal | Our former webmaster just had an emo fit and left (thank fucking god). 50 year old baby |
| 22:08.44 | ben_ | Where do I configure alsa output device? Do you mean ~/.alsarc? |
| 22:08.46 | Dashkal | suddenly I need to get back on this project. |
| 22:08.50 | ArrowmasterClass | im only too lazy to visit our forums because their phpbb2 forums |
| 22:09.02 | contego | its more or less a sound server. that app can connect to. |
| 22:09.03 | Dashkal | sadly that's the only forum software I know how to run... |
| 22:09.12 | Dashkal | I just keep it patched compulsively |
| 22:09.13 | Primer | well, there's a static x86 package... |
| 22:09.15 | Primer | I'll just use that |
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| 22:09.25 | contego | ben_: check your distros docs |
| 22:09.36 | Dashkal | Primer: sounds promising... I think I'll poke at that myself |
| 22:10.03 | ben_ | Doing that now |
| 22:10.06 | FroMaster | Q: LuckyCharms or MagicMarker? |
| 22:10.09 | Chaud | I like the IPB software for forums |
| 22:10.15 | Chaud | but then they made it pay to use =( |
| 22:10.20 | charon | ben_: in my winecfg i can unfold Audio -> Sound Drivers -> ALSA -> Wave Out Devices |
| 22:10.20 | ArrowmasterClass | SMF |
| 22:10.23 | Dashkal | phpbb is long on the road to having the same security history as such projects as Bind or Sendmail |
| 22:10.27 | Chaud | smf is bad =( |
| 22:10.27 | ArrowmasterClass | best forums ever |
| 22:10.28 | ben_ | charon: I only have a single option there |
| 22:10.34 | charon | hmm. |
| 22:10.40 | Primer | Dashkal: except it doens't need to run as root |
| 22:10.44 | ben_ | Actually after starting WoW it does not have a "Wave Out Devices" anymore |
| 22:10.45 | ArrowmasterClass | whats wrong with SMF? |
| 22:10.45 | Primer | unlike the other 2 :) |
| 22:10.47 | Dashkal | this is true |
| 22:10.51 | Primer | well, they start as root |
| 22:10.51 | Dashkal | and thank god for that |
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| 22:11.01 | Dashkal | start as root is just find if they can properly drop privs |
| 22:11.02 | Primer | nowadays most apps know to drop privileges |
| 22:11.03 | Dashkal | fine* |
| 22:11.07 | chiper | FroMaster: isnt luckycharms just an icon click bar? |
| 22:11.15 | Camci | Something wrong with Grid. when new peoiple joins the party it wont show the new ones... |
| 22:11.15 | Chaud | it lacks features and looks |
| 22:11.20 | Camci | unless i relog and gets invited again |
| 22:11.24 | Camci | any idea why? |
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| 22:11.26 | Dashkal | hell, I wish there was a method simpler than SELinux to just allow process X to bind to port 80 and skip root altogether |
| 22:11.31 | ArrowmasterClass | Chaud: it has extensions and themes |
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| 22:11.43 | Chaud | still ugly unless you change a lot |
| 22:11.49 | ArrowmasterClass | pff |
| 22:11.53 | Vecnah | hi |
| 22:11.56 | ArrowmasterClass | not as ugly as default phpbb2 |
| 22:12.04 | Dashkal | odd, I'm having no such issue with grid |
| 22:12.06 | Vecnah | I am trying to run the tutorial example for ace2 |
| 22:12.12 | Vecnah | without success :( |
| 22:12.21 | ben_ | So apparently WoW still claims the audio out device. :| |
| 22:12.26 | ben_ | Will pulseaudio fix that? |
| 22:12.29 | Vecnah | I got an error on Core.lua : 3 |
| 22:12.42 | Chaud | phpbb is ugly |
| 22:12.43 | FroMaster | chiper: Not sure, I'm just starting to look at them and wanted to get some opinions |
| 22:12.45 | Chaud | but has more features |
| 22:12.57 | chiper | ben: claims, as in takes it over completely? |
| 22:13.04 | ArrowmasterClass | default features or more extensions? |
| 22:13.09 | chiper | FroMaster: well personally I love magic marker |
| 22:13.10 | contego | ben_: pulseaudio is a audio server. go read about it. |
| 22:13.13 | ben_ | chiper: As in, no other application can play sound anymore and winecfg does not show any audio out devices anymore. |
| 22:13.24 | ben_ | contego: Installing it right now. I am using gentoo so this part takes some time. |
| 22:13.38 | ArrowmasterClass | ~lart gentoo |
| 22:13.38 | purl | beats gentoo into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 22:13.38 | Chaud | default |
| 22:13.38 | contego | im on gentoo to. |
| 22:13.39 | Dashkal | could make a second mixed audio device in alsa and force wow to use it :p |
| 22:13.40 | chiper | ben: never had that problem, vent runs fine in the background, so does VLC and MediaPlayer |
| 22:13.41 | charon | ben_: well you're not supposed to run winecfg alongside wow... |
| 22:13.54 | contego | only dist that had support for my new hardware. |
| 22:13.56 | Chaud | these used to be the best free ones, http://forums.invisionpower.com/ |
| 22:14.03 | ben_ | charon: That does not solve the part where my audio player does not work anymore. |
| 22:14.10 | charon | ... |
| 22:14.13 | chiper | ben: have you tried toggeling the "Use Hardware" checkbox in audio settings? |
| 22:14.27 | charon | what do you see in winecfg if you quit wow, _then_ start it? |
| 22:14.43 | ben_ | charon: A single audio out device! |
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| 22:14.58 | Chaud | mmochamp is on SMF and it fails =( |
| 22:15.16 | ben_ | Or Wave Out Device rather. |
| 22:15.20 | ben_ | It says STAC92xx Analog |
| 22:15.52 | charon | IMO you need to figure out how to rewire that to a dmix |
| 22:16.30 | charon | http://wiki.jswindle.com/index.php/Wine_Config_File#Wine_and_DMIX |
| 22:16.37 | charon | for example |
| 22:17.23 | FroMaster | chiper: Thats the kind of response I was looking for. I'll try MagicMarker now. |
| 22:17.56 | Primer | Dashkal: seems it wants qt4-devel, which I didn't have |
| 22:18.00 | CIA-39 | 03sungam * r68669 10Librameister/Librameister.lua: Librameister: - Fixed bug with going into standby |
| 22:18.01 | ArrowmasterClass | god access 07 is so bad, i have no fucking clue how to get to QBE |
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| 22:18.14 | Dashkal | Primer: if it's qt, it would need that. qt apps love their qmake |
| 22:18.25 | Primer | well, I had qmake for 3.3 |
| 22:18.32 | Xelopheris | Any recommendations on a good personal cooldown meter? |
| 22:18.34 | Primer | I'm guessing that's why it didn't work, actually |
| 22:18.40 | Dashkal | qt4 is very different :p |
| 22:18.52 | Dashkal | I still have nightmares about qt4's MVC framework |
| 22:19.22 | Dashkal | There's a reason I prefer Java to C++ nowadays... |
| 22:19.29 | CIA-39 | 03apoco * r68670 10RBM_TrapWatch/ (. RBM_TrapWatch.toc Traps.lua): |
| 22:19.29 | CIA-39 | RBM_TrapWatch: Freezing Trap Module for RBM |
| 22:19.29 | CIA-39 | - Initial Commit |
| 22:19.32 | Primer | It's definitely gotten farther in the compile than the last attempt |
| 22:20.53 | Chaud | or you could not compile, install windows, play wow and enjoy vent =p |
| 22:21.08 | Primer | it built |
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| 22:22.23 | Dashkal | Chaud: Vent fanboi much? |
| 22:22.40 | Chaud | there is no other good option |
| 22:22.48 | Dashkal | Have you tried mumble? |
| 22:23.03 | Dashkal | We're just evaluating another potential option here. |
| 22:23.06 | Chaud | not a useful option =p |
| 22:23.20 | Primer | I'm on Linux at the moment |
| 22:23.23 | pastamancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.24 | Dashkal | failing simply because "everybody else doesn't use it" isn't valid |
| 22:23.25 | Primer | there _are_ windows binaries |
| 22:23.31 | Etern | what timezone is the wowace svn in? GMT-5? |
| 22:23.48 | Dashkal | pastamancer: sadly no. Boss is in the office atm |
| 22:23.54 | ben_ | That wine-dmix thing refered to ~/.wine/config which I do not even have <:| |
| 22:24.01 | Dashkal | lemme know what and I'll have it ready to test soon as I'm able, though |
| 22:24.03 | charon | Etern: svn should auto-translate for you |
| 22:24.03 | ben_ | What happened to sound just working |
| 22:24.04 | pastamancer | Dashkal: http://ace.pastey.net/85365 |
| 22:24.05 | Chaud | It is in my mind. Installing a program to connect to one voice server to talk to one guy on linux is pretty useless |
| 22:24.22 | Primer | Dashkal: it also needs qt-sqlite |
| 22:24.41 | Dashkal | I'm poking at the static server. the client will get installed on winblows |
| 22:24.47 | Etern | charon: well, the files.wowace.com I mean. I uploaded two fixes about an hour apart, just curious which one has actually showed up :) |
| 22:25.02 | Primer | hrmm |
| 22:25.11 | Primer | installing qt-sqlite didn't help |
| 22:25.14 | CIA-39 | 03antiarc * r68671 10Deadened/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:25.14 | CIA-39 | Deadened: |
| 22:25.14 | CIA-39 | - Added a :MenuHide member to modules, to help clean up the modules config menu |
| 22:25.14 | CIA-39 | - Added eCastingBar and azCastBar modules |
| 22:25.15 | Dashkal | pastamancer: Heh, that's the kind of thing I was going to split it off to once I got it functioning |
| 22:25.26 | CIA-39 | 03broesel01 * r68672 10Quiet_Npc/ (3 files): |
| 22:25.26 | CIA-39 | Quiet_Npc |
| 22:25.26 | CIA-39 | - Npc's geaddet |
| 22:25.34 | ckknight | Antiarc: what's Deadened? |
| 22:25.45 | Daemona | supresses RoS deaden castbar |
| 22:25.51 | Daemona | so you dont accidently rupt it |
| 22:25.55 | ckknight | ah |
| 22:26.21 | Antiarc | It suppresses spells you select from your cast bars, so you don't twitch interrupt them |
| 22:26.21 | durcyn | it's useful beyond that, as a generic supression mechanism for other spells you don't want to see |
| 22:26.29 | durcyn | and as an interrupt announce |
| 22:26.33 | Antiarc | Deaden on RoS is the primary spell it was written for, but people use it for other spells, too |
| 22:26.57 | charon | ben_: well honestly i'm a bit lost too since my alsa and wine got along well with each other right from the start |
| 22:27.03 | Dashkal | pastamancer: Ok, code is ready. I'll test it soon as I can |
| 22:27.10 | charon | have you tried making that ~/.wine/config, and putting in those two lines? |
| 22:27.15 | Antiarc | ckknight: Did you see Julith's changes to MobSpells? I've merged them to trunk |
| 22:27.18 | Antiarc | They're pretty schway. |
| 22:27.22 | ben_ | No, because I have a bunch of .reg files that I think replaced config |
| 22:27.36 | ben_ | I guess I have a pretty halfassed alsa configuration going since I just tweaked alsa until it played music in the first place, instead of following any docs |
| 22:27.41 | ckknight | Antiarc: I've not looked at MobSpells yet, we're gonna try to get CurseProfiler 2.0 out in the hands of users, then I'll add that stuff |
| 22:27.41 | Daemona | hmmm do i qualify as gay for watching Justin Timberlake's FutureSex LoveShow @ MSG ? |
| 22:27.45 | ben_ | It used to work fine with wine/wow though |
| 22:27.48 | Antiarc | Cool |
| 22:27.48 | Dashkal | wow, you _really_ cleaned this up |
| 22:28.15 | ArrowmasterClass | to bad i cant do random shit on computer next class |
| 22:28.16 | Daemona | *cough* bad fc |
| 22:28.47 | ben_ | charon: I am a bit confused since these docs seem to imply that I need dmix to get sound from any two apps at once, but I only have problems with WoW and not, say, mplayer and audacious. |
| 22:29.05 | ben_ | Though it also says that dmix is supposed to be working by default :/ |
| 22:29.17 | Dashkal | wow appears to be special in that it wants exclusive access to the hardware. dmix fools it into thinking it has that |
| 22:29.29 | ben_ | Hm |
| 22:29.31 | Dashkal | or rather the API wow is using as implemented by wine |
| 22:29.55 | Dashkal | (considering wow + vent + winamp work fine in real windows, I'm betting wine did it) |
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| 22:30.07 | charon | ben_: dmix _is_ supposed to configure itself and "just work" |
| 22:30.17 | charon | and you do need dmix, you can't have two apps using the hw device |
| 22:30.32 | ben_ | I just tested this and I can run two mplayer instances at once, and both can do sound. |
| 22:30.35 | ben_ | So I assume I have dmix. |
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| 22:30.50 | ben_ | I do not run gnome or anything that I would expect to provide mixing on its own. |
| 22:31.20 | charon | not kde or enlightenment either? they also have mixing daemons |
| 22:31.26 | ben_ | Nope |
| 22:31.38 | ben_ | I sometimes run gnome applications so they might start up some services behind my back :/ |
| 22:31.49 | ben_ | I d not see any though. |
| 22:31.55 | Dashkal | pastamancer: Want me to add your name to the author's TOC entry when I commit tonight? |
| 22:32.02 | Dashkal | TOC's author entry. |
| 22:32.14 | pastamancer | Dashkal: only if it works ;) |
| 22:32.19 | Dashkal | snickers |
| 22:32.29 | Dashkal | Fair enough |
| 22:32.43 | pastamancer | I haven't tested it at all |
| 22:33.09 | ben_ | winecfg looks like this right now http://ilfirin.org/winecfg.png |
| 22:33.12 | Dashkal | I'll get on that soon as work ends. I was hoping the boss would take off for a bit but that doesn't appear to be happening before the day ends |
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| 22:33.29 | CIA-39 | RBM_TrapWatch: |
| 22:33.29 | CIA-39 | - Toc Change |
| 22:35.54 | charon | ben_: i'm as lost as you are. google comes up with http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026 , perhaps that might help, dunno |
| 22:36.07 | ben_ | Okay, thanks for your effort :| |
| 22:36.12 | ben_ | Reading through a bunch of gentoo-wiki stuff |
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| 22:36.32 | charon | the above link says you can set ALSA_PCM_CARD to tweak stuff |
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| 22:36.50 | ben_ | I will try to get pulseaudio going |
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| 22:37.05 | mort | !rating 1861 |
| 22:37.21 | CIA-39 | 03rabbit * r68674 10SimpleChatMods/ (9 files): SimpleChatMods: Various tweaks + only affects ChatFrame1 now for most modules, and added some code to enable text shadows. |
| 22:37.27 | Xinhuan | 1861 rating gives 855(5s), 752(3s) and 650(2s) arena points. (Use !points for inverse calc) |
| 22:37.35 | Primer | ben_: pulseaudio will probabl not work |
| 22:37.39 | Primer | probably |
| 22:38.16 | ArrowmasterClass | bah off to next class |
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| 22:38.30 | vhaarr | ben_: pulseaudio works with wine if you install some custom wine sound drivers |
| 22:38.40 | ben_ | This is getting increasingly complicated. <:| |
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| 22:38.53 | vhaarr | ben_: read the latest WWN |
| 22:38.57 | vhaarr | I tihnk |
| 22:38.58 | vhaarr | think* |
| 22:38.59 | charon | ben_: also, i have an old disabled .asoundrc lying around |
| 22:39.01 | vhaarr | or the one before |
| 22:39.07 | Funkeh` | Apoco, you should add a threatmeter to bm also |
| 22:39.13 | Funkeh` | rbm |
| 22:39.34 | vhaarr | ben_: I have not followed the discussion and only read your last line there that "I will try to get pulseaudio" going |
| 22:39.51 | vhaarr | ben_: if you just installed linux and it's using ALSA, then do NOT install pulseaudio |
| 22:39.58 | vhaarr | ALSA works fine, in fact it works better |
| 22:39.59 | vhaarr | with wine |
| 22:40.01 | ben_ | vhaarr: The basic thing is that wine/WoW steals my soundcard and does not allow stuff like mplayer or wine/ventrilo to have any sound. |
| 22:40.11 | ben_ | I installed Linux a while ago and have been using ALSA since. |
| 22:40.39 | vhaarr | ben_: and you're positive that only the ALSA driver is checked in winecfg? |
| 22:41.02 | steino | use a software mixer |
| 22:41.08 | steino | like dmix |
| 22:41.09 | ben_ | vhaarr: Yeah. In fact, it is the only one listed. |
| 22:41.22 | vhaarr | ben_: and that the sound daemon used by your desktop is running through ALSA? |
| 22:41.26 | ben_ | http://ilfirin.org/winecfg.png |
| 22:41.27 | Apoco | Funkeh`> Why? |
| 22:41.33 | ben_ | I do not use a sound daemon as far as I know. |
| 22:41.45 | Funkeh` | Apoco, it lacks one to make it complete |
| 22:41.46 | ben_ | I can run two instances of mplayer concurrently and they will both output sound. |
| 22:41.49 | Apoco | psht |
| 22:41.49 | vhaarr | ben_: gnome or kde? |
| 22:41.53 | ben_ | No |
| 22:41.54 | Apoco | it doesn't need a threat mod thanks |
| 22:42.03 | ben_ | Well, a bunch of gnome things, but not the whole desktop. |
| 22:42.08 | Funkeh` | fair enough |
| 22:42.12 | Apoco | I don't even see how it would fit in to be honest, it has nothing to do with threat |
| 22:42.21 | vhaarr | ben_: and mplayer is set to use the alsa sink? |
| 22:42.24 | Thacai | hi, i have a problem with the wau, it kinda freezes up half way though, i have reinstalled the application, and cleared the reg. any idea? |
| 22:42.30 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 22:42.55 | ben_ | I did not set it up to use anything but it mentions alsa stuff in its output. |
| 22:43.16 | charon | i'm heading off to bed, good luck ben_, good night * |
| 22:43.55 | vhaarr | ben_: have you tried to tweak the different emulation settings in wine? |
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| 22:44.49 | ben_ | Yeah, but not in any systematic way |
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| 22:46.44 | vhaarr | ben_: well all I can say is that I'm running with ALSA for everything here and it works fine |
| 22:46.57 | ben_ | It seems everybody is :] |
| 22:47.15 | kergoth | linux sound is such a mess |
| 22:47.19 | kergoth | always has been, always will be |
| 22:47.27 | vhaarr | indeed, there's no light in this tunnel |
| 22:47.37 | vhaarr | pulseaudio is just another bump in the road |
| 22:48.42 | Primer | Dashkal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/178084 |
| 22:48.47 | Primer | is what I'm experiencing now |
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| 22:48.58 | Josh_Borke | ~lart kergoth |
| 22:48.58 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at kergoth |
| 22:49.30 | Dashkal | Primer: Oh cute |
| 22:49.53 | ben_ | Guess I will have to continue to boot Windows for every raid :| |
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| 22:50.01 | Dashkal | Looking at the docs it does appear to support a driver other than SQ-LITE. I may still be running mysql from a previous experiment so I'll poke at that tonight |
| 22:50.02 | Primer | and it's a bug in qt, and the version I have has the bug, and there's no update |
| 22:50.23 | Primer | ben_: it's what I do. I can't get wine to use the extra buttons on my mouse |
| 22:50.24 | Mytos | boot windows for every raid? |
| 22:50.39 | Chaud | THE HORROR. |
| 22:50.42 | Morlais | does X use those buttons properly? |
| 22:50.45 | Primer | Dashkal: well, I have a server up at the moment |
| 22:50.47 | Nandini | hmm handynotes seems to require a specific version of astrolabe that i can't find |
| 22:50.50 | Primer | Morlais: yup |
| 22:51.02 | Dashkal | I can't get windows or linux to recognize the extra "buttons" on my mouse. I got a mouse that lets me tilt left/right but it _only_ works for horizontal scrolling |
| 22:51.04 | ben_ | Primer: Do you do anything tricky to keep addons and configuration in sync? |
| 22:51.04 | Primer | Morlais: seems wine can't "see" buttons higher than 7 |
| 22:51.09 | Dashkal | Nobody else seems to be able to see the events |
| 22:51.12 | ben_ | Also, hey, what do you linux folks use in place of WAU? |
| 22:51.20 | Dashkal | JWU |
| 22:51.30 | Primer | ben_: rsync from a box where I maintain the addons using jwow |
| 22:51.34 | Primer | what Dashkal wrote |
| 22:51.42 | Morlais | dash: the tilting scroll wheel on my mouse is just "left" and "right" keypresses |
| 22:51.48 | ben_ | Ah, so far I managed to avoid installing java |
| 22:52.17 | kergoth | for my mouse in windows, i used setpoint to remap the left/right scroll to a crazy key combo, so i could bind it in game |
| 22:52.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:52.22 | Dashkal | Morlais: It doesn't appear to be that for me. It scrolls the window, but doesn't move the cursor like the left and right keys do |
| 22:52.53 | Dashkal | must get setpoint |
| 22:52.57 | CIA-39 | 03broesel01 * r68675 10Quiet_Npc/ (Quiet_QuelDanas.lua Quiet_QuelDanas_y.lua): |
| 22:52.57 | CIA-39 | Quiet_Npc |
| 22:52.57 | CIA-39 | - Bugfix |
| 22:53.04 | Nandini | nevcairiel: is Astrolabe-0.4-NC a modified version of astrolabe meant to be used with handynotes? |
| 22:53.41 | Primer | kergoth: I did that with my side buttons |
| 22:53.51 | Primer | mapped to shift/ctrl/alt |
| 22:53.56 | Primer | so I can do key combos |
| 22:53.58 | kergoth | nods |
| 22:54.17 | kergoth | i have my left one bound to my Acquire Target macro (assist, targetnearest, etc), and the right one bound to target next enemy, myself |
| 22:54.30 | Primer | everything's some combination of shift/ctrl/alt/none 1-6 |
| 22:55.09 | Primer | and other keys close to asdw |
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| 22:56.32 | ben_ | Primer: I do the 1-6 thing too <:D |
| 22:56.52 | Smoo | Greetings |
| 22:57.06 | Dashkal | wow, logitech's website is pretty craptacular |
| 22:57.34 | pastamancer | logitech isn't what it used to be :( |
| 22:57.36 | Smoo | Can anyone help me in a (I think) simple question about an addon? |
| 22:57.46 | Daemona | problems with binding custom stuff to a logitech mouse or what Dashkal ? |
| 22:58.05 | Smoo | I am trying to "localize" Omen for spanish languaje but it seems not to work in the desired way |
| 22:58.09 | Dashkal | Daemona: Yeah. I just found the download for setpoint. I want to be able to do something with the left and right tilt in wow |
| 22:58.18 | Dashkal | I'd also love to get those functions bindable in KDE |
| 22:58.22 | Dashkal | but that's prolly asking too much |
| 22:58.26 | Daemona | you wont be able to do that with setpoint, gimme a sec to dig up a link |
| 22:58.40 | Antiarc | Smoo: What problems are you having? |
| 22:58.45 | Smoo | I changed the localization files one by one and it doesn't understand that he must load esES files xP |
| 22:58.56 | Smoo | esES = Spanish ones I changed from US ones |
| 22:59.10 | Dashkal | Daemona: Going off of kergoth's comment: for my mouse in windows, i used setpoint to remap the left/right scroll to a crazy key combo, so i could bind it in game |
| 22:59.15 | Dashkal | this now incorrect? |
| 22:59.33 | Daemona | Dashkal -> http://www.mstar.net/users/rlowens/ |
| 22:59.53 | Daemona | uberOptions for SetPoint |
| 23:00.10 | Dashkal | ooo, pretty |
| 23:00.18 | kergoth | yeah, that |
| 23:01.04 | Daemona | thats what made my mx1000 really useful ;) |
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| 23:01.39 | Primer | ben_: it's really the only way to play |
| 23:01.49 | Dashkal | yay, I can finally have my tilt->shift bindings :D |
| 23:01.59 | Primer | yeah, I had to use uberOptions |
| 23:02.01 | Primer | it's awesome |
| 23:02.16 | Primer | I only wish I could do the same thing in Linux |
| 23:02.18 | Cyn1 | oh sweet |
| 23:02.18 | Primer | with wine |
| 23:02.23 | Cyn1 | i have mx rev |
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| 23:02.28 | Cyn1 | didnt know about bout that mod |
| 23:02.34 | Dashkal | gotta be some way to grab the mouse event and remap it to something bindable... |
| 23:02.54 | Daemona | glad i could help you Dashkal |
| 23:03.00 | Primer | I imagine there is, but it might involve restarting X |
| 23:03.06 | Dashkal | thank you muchly, Daemona :) |
| 23:03.07 | Primer | and that'd suck |
| 23:03.16 | Dashkal | lol, what's your X uptime? |
| 23:03.27 | Primer | it's not about that |
| 23:03.32 | Primer | it's about having to restart all apps |
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| 23:03.41 | Daemona | haha know that feeling :) |
| 23:03.42 | Dashkal | wtb screen for X (and don't say vnc) |
| 23:03.51 | Primer | there is such a thing |
| 23:03.54 | Primer | xmove |
| 23:04.02 | Primer | you'd have to run another X server to move them onto |
| 23:04.04 | Dashkal | mmm, but does it destroy performance |
| 23:04.05 | Primer | like...Xvnc :) |
| 23:04.29 | Primer | basically you'd run Xvnc, xmove all the running apps, exit X, start it back up, xmove them back |
| 23:04.42 | Dashkal | that, defeats the point. I want something "magic" that proxies the X protocol and can survive not having an actual X server. Only SHM and glx apps should die :p |
| 23:04.51 | Xelopheris | wowowow, parrot's working :O I'm so happy. |
| 23:05.07 | Dashkal | reads back |
| 23:05.19 | Dashkal | wait, that's possible? I didn't know xmove _could_ work like that |
| 23:05.21 | ckknight | Xelopheris: ...yep |
| 23:05.30 | Antiarc | ckknight: Heh, when'd you fix it? |
| 23:05.31 | Daemona | w00t ? |
| 23:05.39 | ckknight | Antiarc: this morning |
| 23:05.46 | Antiarc | Well, I guess I have to reinstall it then |
| 23:05.52 | ckknight | :-P |
| 23:06.03 | dylanm | WATCH THOSE DONATIONS COME ROLLING IN |
| 23:06.11 | CIA-39 | 03starinnia * r68676 10SimpleMD/SimpleMD.lua: SimpleMD: Check for raid/party before executing readiness related code and before scheduling cooldown events |
| 23:06.13 | dylanm | :( |
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| 23:06.41 | Primer | Dashkal: ok, just connected to my murmur server from mumble on windows |
| 23:07.05 | Dashkal | lemme nab the windows client on my other box, I'll connect |
| 23:07.14 | Zhinjio | does wowdb.com have an xml url for pulling data? |
| 23:07.26 | Daemona | Mumble/Murmur is great... but try to convince people that literally used vent/ts for 5+ years to change -.- |
| 23:07.32 | ckknight | dylanm: don't really get donations for Parrot very often at all |
| 23:07.40 | ckknight | dylanm: the majority of donations come from Cartographer |
| 23:07.52 | Dashkal | Daemona: Stop paying for the vent server... that'll get a guild to move :p |
| 23:08.17 | Primer | Dashkal: that would be my argument |
| 23:08.29 | Daemona | Dashkal the point is, we tried that... the gm shutdown the vent on his root... and magically a guildmember had a vent server pop up within 10minutes |
| 23:08.35 | Dashkal | If this works out, I can pull some strings and get us "kicked off" of our current vent |
| 23:08.50 | Primer | I wonder what a 50 seat vent server costs |
| 23:08.51 | Dashkal | our guild leader == our main raid leader. If he moves, the guild moves or doesn't raid |
| 23:09.00 | Daemona | hehe |
| 23:09.13 | Dashkal | amazing how much power the main RL holds :D |
| 23:09.26 | Daemona | the point is... there is no way with the changed ToS and shit that you as a private person can legally run a vent server on your own root |
| 23:09.53 | Dashkal | One of these days I'll pay my lawyer to tell me just how leagle that PoS ToS is,.. |
| 23:10.09 | Daemona | its basically ... you need a xthousand slot license to get the latest version of Ventrilo |
| 23:10.33 | Daemona | the problem is, the ToS says, running anything but the latest version is breaking their ToS |
| 23:10.35 | Dashkal | wow for my ability to type today... I think I may choose not to code tonight... if it's anything like my typing it's not gonna be pretty |
| 23:10.47 | Daemona | but as a private person... you wont buy a xthousnd slot license will you? |
| 23:10.49 | Ixnorp | Whats the advantage of Mumble/Murmur over vent? |
| 23:11.04 | chiper | Daemona: wow, that's a nice way to keep your product from selling |
| 23:11.06 | Daemona | its legal to host as a private person |
| 23:11.06 | Dashkal | Daemona: If I remember correctly you simply _cannot_ as an individual purchase a server licence |
| 23:11.17 | Dashkal | Like he just won't sell |
| 23:11.22 | ben_ | Ixnorp: BSD license I guess |
| 23:11.24 | Dashkal | chiper: He has a de facto monopoly, he can do whatever |
| 23:11.31 | Ixnorp | ah. |
| 23:11.40 | Daemona | and honestly ... nothing will make me use teamspeak... |
| 23:11.47 | Dashkal | mumble is GLP2 |
| 23:11.54 | Dashkal | (staring at the license screen) |
| 23:11.58 | Daemona | guess i got burned in the early teamspeak times when it was like listening to a radio .. |
| 23:12.18 | Dashkal | TS sucked pretty bad. no idea how it is now but I hear development is glacial (hmm, much like vent!) |
| 23:12.20 | Daemona | I like Mumble, the GM likes Mumble, the raid doesnt |
| 23:12.23 | Daemona | -.- |
| 23:12.43 | Dashkal | heh, GM says get in mumble or no slot. a missed raid or two will bring them into line... or provoke mutiny :p |
| 23:12.48 | Daemona | Dashkal rumours are around that TS 3 is going to get released soon (tm) (c) Blizz |
| 23:12.48 | Ixnorp | it's hard enough just to get an entire raid using things like Omen much less the same version... |
| 23:13.12 | Daemona | well the point with addons is... |
| 23:13.18 | Dashkal | Anybody important who doesn't show on omen doesn't keep their slot. People update |
| 23:13.24 | Daemona | you tell em "WAU NOW or NO LOOT" |
| 23:13.26 | Daemona | and it works |
| 23:13.37 | EvilJohn | no pulls until omen is up to date |
| 23:13.38 | chiper | if only blizzard would fix their POS voice chat |
| 23:13.40 | Dashkal | DPS don't matter so much to us (but if they pull we laugh at them then make them update then and there) |
| 23:13.49 | Dashkal | chiper: Agreed |
| 23:13.52 | Daemona | but telling ppl to change voice comm, set it up, figure out to make it work and stuff ... takes not so tech savy persons half a day |
| 23:13.52 | Dashkal | oh so agreed |
| 23:14.08 | EvilJohn | a bad version of omen can mess your raid's threat |
| 23:14.21 | Daemona | you gonna laugh... but when we did felmyst last week it was like ... threat is inaccurate, update now... |
| 23:14.28 | Dashkal | Heh, I love it when protocol breaking changes are made just for that reason |
| 23:14.34 | Daemona | 25ppl going offline, 25 ppl coming online |
| 23:14.34 | Dashkal | knocks them right off the meter |
| 23:15.36 | Mytos | i dunno, we dock in our dkp raids if you dont have what your supposed to your benched and docked dkp, on the raids we dont bother wiht dkp on anymore your STILL docked dkp and when an item you want drops your roll counts for 20 less, so you better roll 100 and hope everyone else rolls lower than 79 or your not gettin shit |
| 23:15.37 | Daemona | you gonna laugh, we have ppl on the raid using BigWigs versions from last year september |
| 23:15.53 | Dashkal | ooo, that's a bad sign. mumble. would you like to setup your sound card? (yes) *crash*. Running vista so not surprised |
| 23:15.59 | Funkeh` | don't they wonder why it doesn't work |
| 23:16.30 | Daemona | no, they all gladly updated once they figured out their BW got no Sunwell mods... |
| 23:16.33 | Daemona | ./facepalm |
| 23:16.46 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 23:17.20 | Daemona | oh i see you believed my screenshot Funkeh` ? ;) |
| 23:17.30 | Dashkal | yeah, gonna face the same problems with Nexus. In the days of beta I'm going to be pretty heavy about "protocol breaking" changes. to keep people up to date |
| 23:17.34 | Funkeh` | Daemona, brain lag or? :) |
| 23:17.43 | Dashkal | But the GL and both RLs are on my side... they wants me to get it done so the guild _will_ use it muahahaha |
| 23:17.44 | chiper | Nexus? |
| 23:17.49 | Dashkal | uh oh |
| 23:18.13 | Daemona | Dashkal i like mumble, only thing i miss is the "set comment" ventrilo got ;) |
| 23:18.39 | Dashkal | I'm trying to use it but I can't seem to touch the audio wizard. I hope it isn't important |
| 23:18.45 | Dashkal | settings all seem to work |
| 23:19.29 | Daemona | lol, my mumble is still 1.1.2 |
| 23:19.39 | Dashkal | current is 1.1.3 |
| 23:20.10 | Daemona | yeah noticed when i started mine up ;) |
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| 23:22.17 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68677 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: |
| 23:22.17 | CIA-39 | Babble-2.2: |
| 23:22.17 | CIA-39 | - deDE update |
| 23:22.23 | Daemona | mumble is so much fun, the positional audio and stuff :X |
| 23:22.42 | Daemona | wonder if they fixed overlay on vista |
| 23:23.41 | Dashkal | Positional audio... o.O |
| 23:23.43 | Dashkal | where does it get its location data? |
| 23:24.20 | Daemona | only works with BF 2 currently, see the plugin section :) |
| 23:24.22 | [eu]gunder | the games that supports positionnal audio will send the data through direct sound |
| 23:24.25 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 23:24.40 | Dashkal | well, this certainly looks fun |
| 23:24.46 | Daemona | really fun when you get a radio from far right behind you ;) |
| 23:24.48 | Dashkal | course I'm not in a position to actually test it out |
| 23:25.33 | Daemona | Funkeh` no, not brainlag... but watching the Justin TImberlake in Concert ;) |
| 23:25.38 | Dashkal | mutters some unkind words about closed source java components |
| 23:25.41 | Daemona | ...well kinda the same i guess |
| 23:25.45 | xyu | what's mumble? |
| 23:25.58 | Daemona | open(?) source voicecom |
| 23:26.16 | Dashkal | The license said GPL2, looks open source to me (unless you're a BSD hardliner :p ) |
| 23:26.17 | Primer | it's GPL |
| 23:26.29 | Daemona | see mumble.sourceforge.net |
| 23:26.32 | Dashkal | ooo, that reminds me. |
| 23:26.38 | Primer | unless I missed the sarcasm too |
| 23:26.38 | Dashkal | pastamancer: What license is Grid? |
| 23:27.41 | kebinusan | Does anyone else have problems with autobar categories not updating properly |
| 23:27.41 | pastamancer | Dashkal: I suppose technically it's just copywrited |
| 23:27.49 | Dashkal | I see no X-License: line and default copyright wouldn't allow me to write an extension to it at all so I assume that's not what you intend :p |
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| 23:28.11 | Dashkal | I tend to license my stuff BSD if that's cool with you. |
| 23:28.21 | Daemona | kebinusan yup |
| 23:28.21 | pastamancer | I'm a fan of BSD as well |
| 23:28.24 | Dashkal | sweet |
| 23:28.28 | Daemona | specially 2 categories overlaying |
| 23:28.40 | Josh_Borke | i'm a fan of BSD as well |
| 23:28.41 | Dashkal | I like BSD. If someone wants to take it and close it... they get to maintain it too |
| 23:28.49 | sylvanaar | ok guys, i have a question about Lua and the the memory use reported by bliz...posted here: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12676.0 |
| 23:28.55 | xyu | does mumble work w/ mac? |
| 23:29.19 | Dashkal | oh crap... I think we have a mac user in the guild... |
| 23:29.27 | [eu]gunder | xyu: the OS X version is unstable at the moment |
| 23:29.29 | xyu | we have 1 :( |
| 23:29.30 | xyu | ah |
| 23:29.35 | Daemona | xyu i see only windows and *nix compiled packages. |
| 23:29.40 | xyu | same |
| 23:29.49 | ben_ | OSX folks can compile their own goddamn packages! |
| 23:30.08 | Daemona | ben_ tell that to joe end-user |
| 23:30.21 | Dashkal | heh, yeah. If we have someone who actually prefers mac, that just isn't gonna happen... |
| 23:30.54 | pastamancer | http://mumble.sourceforge.net/OS_X |
| 23:30.58 | Dashkal | meh, mumble looks all nice and pretty but unless I can find a cheap shell that allows bg tasks with network... it won't mean much |
| 23:31.04 | Dashkal | not hosting on my cable line :p |
| 23:31.27 | pastamancer | Dashkal: define cheap ;) |
| 23:31.49 | Daemona | i'd guess 10 bucks a month ;) |
| 23:31.56 | Dashkal | approx to a vent 50man (10 bucks / mo) |
| 23:32.00 | Dashkal | heh, nice |
| 23:32.15 | Daemona | damn i'm gooood *chuckle* |
| 23:32.31 | Dashkal | I was busy looking up what my vent provider charged for 50 :p |
| 23:33.42 | sylvanaar | hahah |
| 23:33.46 | Nandini | could always use WoW's built in voice chat :P |
| 23:33.48 | Cyn1 | quackattack r7Y311uv |
| 23:33.53 | Dashkal | oh dear god no |
| 23:33.56 | Cyn1 | err |
| 23:33.57 | xyu | hmm cyn |
| 23:33.58 | Dashkal | I'd rather use /raid than that |
| 23:33.59 | xyu | i'd change your pass |
| 23:34.00 | Cyn1 | brb |
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| 23:34.03 | xyu | lol |
| 23:34.13 | Nandini | i've never even tried wow's voice chat |
| 23:34.15 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 23:34.17 | Chaud | it is AWFUL |
| 23:34.21 | sag_ich_nicht | http://techreport.com/articles.x/14500/21 <--creative is dead meat now |
| 23:34.23 | Dashkal | I tried it... and I soon killed it |
| 23:34.33 | Dashkal | sag_ich_nicht: I wants one of those |
| 23:34.38 | Chaud | made me sound like a little robot |
| 23:34.42 | sdouble | hey sag_ich_nicht, did you finish your raidframes? =P |
| 23:34.48 | Cyn1 | i fail |
| 23:34.50 | Dashkal | creative's products of late are why I just stick with the crappy onboard |
| 23:34.50 | CIA-39 | 03julith 07Julith * r68678 10MobSpells/ (MobSpells.lua localization/deDE.lua localization/enUS.lua): |
| 23:34.50 | CIA-39 | MobSpells: |
| 23:34.51 | CIA-39 | - fixed bug with speed of spells |
| 23:34.51 | CIA-39 | - added debug-switch to options |
| 23:34.51 | CIA-39 | - tracking "<mob> gains <buff>"-events at debug mode |
| 23:34.52 | CIA-39 | - apply manipulation flags only at events when mob is destination |
| 23:34.54 | Daemona | WoW got voice chat?! |
| 23:35.04 | Chaud | a while .X patch wasted |
| 23:35.06 | Dashkal | Daemona: sarcasm? Check your audio properties if no |
| 23:35.08 | Chaud | on voice fail |
| 23:35.17 | Chaud | I hope they learned from that |
| 23:35.20 | Cyn1 | this is why you dont have your focus window on irc |
| 23:35.22 | Dashkal | They're pretty epic fail, though |
| 23:35.24 | Chaud | never to waste time like that again |
| 23:35.37 | Daemona | Dashkal honestly, i read it in some ptr patch notes and never checked back ^^ |
| 23:35.44 | Dashkal | heh |
| 23:35.56 | Dashkal | Yeah, they tried to add it with the new sound core, but did it poorly |
| 23:36.08 | Daemona | ./golfclap |
| 23:36.13 | Primer | it mostly works |
| 23:36.18 | Chaud | it sounds BAD |
| 23:36.28 | Chaud | I don't know the right words for this fail |
| 23:36.32 | Dashkal | The problem I have with it is it's _exceedingly_ quiet. I cannot get people audible over the background sound |
| 23:36.32 | Cyn1 | found a quartz error |
| 23:36.35 | Daemona | You want someone to use your service? you gotta be better than the established business system AND cheaper.... |
| 23:36.51 | Cyn1 | when you try and loot one of the fertle mushrooms |
| 23:36.53 | Cyn1 | in zang |
| 23:36.53 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:34] <sdouble> hey sag_ich_nicht, did you finish your raidframes? =P <--huh? sure |
| 23:37.04 | Cyn1 | you get a wow error |
| 23:37.13 | sag_ich_nicht | sdouble: http://loliserv.org/~afora/WoWScrnShot_040808_022514.jpg |
| 23:37.16 | Megalon | wow voice chat is like SPEEX 3.4kbit... just in bad quality |
| 23:37.18 | Cyn1 | ill get the erro |
| 23:37.21 | Daemona | Dashkal ... there is a button to scale down sound when someone is speaking;) |
| 23:37.31 | Daemona | or rather a checkbox |
| 23:37.51 | Dashkal | I found it... my computer's fan is louder |
| 23:37.56 | Daemona | ;) |
| 23:37.58 | Dashkal | It's a stock fan |
| 23:38.06 | Daemona | i hate my machine... |
| 23:38.13 | Daemona | i wondered what would be more efficient |
| 23:38.22 | sdouble | sag_ich_nicht, they were the raid frames that also had a separate mana frame and such |
| 23:38.23 | Daemona | silencethe machine or get a good closed 5.1 headset... |
| 23:38.26 | Daemona | i settled for the headset |
| 23:38.36 | Dashkal | The only way I can get it half audible is to really crank wow's master sound then turn sound effects and music to near zero. now max player voice sound. |
| 23:38.55 | CIA-39 | 03ackis * r68679 10EnchantingSell/ (. EnchantingSell-Util-1.0.lua EnchantingSell.toc): |
| 23:38.55 | CIA-39 | EnchantingSell: |
| 23:38.55 | CIA-39 | - Convert BabbleTradeSkill to use Spell IDs |
| 23:38.56 | Daemona | yeah, wow sound is ... strange |
| 23:39.09 | Dashkal | I found out the hard way that's not smart.. |
| 23:39.15 | Daemona | my rule of thumb is... no volume control should go past 75% ... ever |
| 23:39.16 | Dashkal | the odd addon makes a sound that jumps the sound slider... |
| 23:39.19 | Dashkal | ow ow ow ow ow ow ow |
| 23:39.32 | sag_ich_nicht | sdouble: i didn't add manabars |
| 23:39.44 | Dashkal | after that I killed wow voice chat and went back to vent. |
| 23:39.47 | sag_ich_nicht | sdouble: what i used back then is DED |
| 23:39.59 | sag_ich_nicht | you you want it back, bother Shirik by asking him when conspiracy is done |
| 23:40.45 | Daemona | Dashkal? did you read the upcoming features?h.264 encoded videostreams in 80x60 pixels? ;) |
| 23:41.10 | Dashkal | Daemona: *blink* |
| 23:41.39 | Dashkal | I'd believe it of them... *sighs* |
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| 23:43.09 | ben_ | How do I hook into the rightclick menu from rightclicking unit frames or names in chat? |
| 23:44.09 | Dashkal | hot, the asus sound card is already avail in my area |
| 23:44.46 | Daemona | that one that creativetries to stop? ;) |
| 23:45.03 | dylanm | ben_: http://git.tekkub.net/tekPlayerMenu/tree/tekPlayerMenu.lua could help you with one side of that. |
| 23:45.18 | Dashkal | 90 bucks and performs better than creative's 300? I'm in |
| 23:45.39 | ben_ | dylanm: Thanks |
| 23:45.41 | Dashkal | just deciding if I can afford it before my vacation in a week and a half :p |
| 23:46.17 | sdouble | sag_ich_nicht: [17:34] <sdouble> [17:23] <sag_ich_nicht> look pastamancer i just wanna clone the raidframes from here: http://loliserv.org/~afora/WoWScrnShot_112207_213300.jpg except without the fail <-- I like those raidframes. It'd be nice to have an aggro indicator, class, and mana bar on the health instead of the additional stuff. |
| 23:46.33 | sdouble | then you said you were trying to clone that with grid |
| 23:46.36 | dylanm | Looks like XRS doesn't it? |
| 23:46.39 | Daemona | Dashkal ... that decision cant be hard... pondering about an iphone or touch ... |
| 23:46.44 | Daemona | THAT is hard ;) |
| 23:47.00 | sag_ich_nicht | sdouble: i tried. i cloned the health |
| 23:47.05 | sag_ich_nicht | that's good enough for me for now :P |
| 23:47.09 | Dashkal | Apple = Satan :p Easy :"p |
| 23:47.17 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd need like a second grid |
| 23:47.27 | CIA-39 | 03siz * r68680 10FuBar_AddonSpamFu/AddonSpamFu.lua: |
| 23:47.27 | CIA-39 | FuBar_AddonSpamFu: |
| 23:47.27 | CIA-39 | - Small tweaks |
| 23:47.30 | sdouble | heh |
| 23:47.45 | dylanm | Er, not XRS. Which was the one that you had to pay for |
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| 23:48.33 | Dashkal | I just hate apple cause they're locked down and closed to make Microsoft look open. |
| 23:49.28 | Daemona | dylanm rdx |
| 23:49.43 | Daemona | its discontinued... and some openrdx spawned with the source of it |
| 23:49.57 | dylanm | That's the one. |
| 23:50.03 | dylanm | Yeah the whole Conspiracy thing. |
| 23:51.27 | Daemona | goddamn sdouble thats worse than my ui -.- |
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| 23:52.45 | ben_ | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12676.0 - is the thing not basically that the first thing only needs memory for variable names and values, the second thing needs that plus all the code to assign the one the other, and the third thing needs nothing because it all falls out of scope? |
| 23:52.54 | Daemona | Ackis appreciate your work on changing all that stuff to IDs :) |
| 23:53.06 | Dezzimal | Think it would be possible to fake the "newest version" of omen as "Hanam is a jew"? |
| 23:53.17 | [eu]gunder | Ackis: http://ace.pastey.net/85366 |
| 23:53.44 | Ackis | NP :) |
| 23:54.04 | Zhinjio | Ackis: definitely dig that mod. <3 |
| 23:54.09 | Daemona | Dezzimal look at how the version-check is done and if it even supports letters and not only digits |
| 23:54.17 | [eu]gunder | AckisRecipeList is great keep uo the good work |
| 23:54.32 | Zhinjio | ready everyone? Its stroke Ackis' ego time. |
| 23:54.33 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 23:54.54 | Zhinjio | Fisker-: that isn't his ego. |
| 23:55.01 | [eu]gunder | strokes Ackis' ego |
| 23:55.05 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 23:55.15 | Ackis | likes that |
| 23:55.44 | Megalon | everyone likes stroking |
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| 23:58.39 | Ackis | On a side note there are only 6 mods that use BabbleTradeSkill right now |
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| 23:59.21 | Chaud | ackis likes me too |
