IRC log for #wowace on 20080501

`00:00.21`	`vhaarr`	`I'm intrigued, maybe I'm finally getting the scent of something useful in Vista`
`00:00.23`	`vhaarr`	`sag_ich_nicht: please explain`
`00:00.33`	`JJSheets`	`Blasphemer.`
`00:00.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`per application volume control`
`00:00.41`	`vhaarr`	`how is that useful?`
`00:01.08`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`useful for applications that don't have a damn fucking volume control which is driving me nuts all the time`
`00:01.13`	`Dashkal`	`^^^`
`00:01.14`	`vhaarr`	`example?`
`00:01.22`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`trillian`
`00:01.40`	`vhaarr`	`ah, that's one of those applications that cost money`
`00:01.46`	`Dashkal`	`O.o`
`00:01.46`	`vhaarr`	`I wouldn't presume to know it then`
`00:01.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`yeah`
`00:01.49`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`you know`
`00:01.53`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`like windows`
`00:01.54`	`Dashkal`	`heh, when did they go commercial?`
`00:01.59`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`like windows`
`00:02.03`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`argh`
`00:02.04`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`lag`
`00:02.12`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`sorry for the repeat, server lag'd`
`00:02.37`	`Dashkal`	`I like it even for apps that do have volumes. max all applications then use that dialog like a mixer control`
`00:02.37`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`also vhaarr trillian comes in a freeware version and a pro version with additional features`
`00:02.46`	`vhaarr`	`so, in order to be able to control the volume output of Trillian, you are actually willing to install a new operating system`
`00:02.47`	`Dashkal`	`so you can see all the volume controls all in the same spot`
`00:02.50`	`vhaarr`	`true/false`
`00:02.54`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`vhaarr no`
`00:02.57`	`vhaarr`	`false, then`
`00:03.00`	`vhaarr`	`continue`
`00:03.25`	`Ellipsis`	`sighs`
`00:03.33`	`Ellipsis`	`<3 vhaarr`
`00:03.37`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`00:03.41`	`Dashkal`	`unfortunately vista managed to fuck this up: The master volume _caps_ the height of the application volumes... If you are forced to have the master volume very low (headphones), the controls for the individual apps are unusable due to being 5 pixels high`
`00:03.58`	`Ellipsis`	`ahahah`
`00:04.01`	`Ellipsis`	`that's great`
`00:04.05`	`Dashkal`	`and of course you cannot resize the height of that dialog`
`00:04.06`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`facepalm`
`00:04.10`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`that's stupid as hell`
`00:04.17`	`Ellipsis`	`it's so microsoft`
`00:04.21`	`JJSheets`	`lol`
`00:04.30`	`JJSheets`	`that is fucking hilarious.`
`00:04.37`	`Ellipsis`	`"UI design? pfft, it doesn't have to be usable, just cool looking!"`
`00:04.41`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`anyway, increased security, less shitty kernel driver code, etc. also rabbit you're just going to turn this into a huge anti-vista troll anyway and nothing i can say or do will change it, so i just won't bother, go troll ##windows or something`
`00:04.53`	`vhaarr`	`sag_ich_nicht: that is total bull`
`00:05.09`	`vhaarr`	`if you provide a proper argument why vista is superior, I'll step down`
`00:05.13`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`sure`
`00:05.14`	`Dashkal`	`eh, the kernal was a step sideways. The cleaned up some things and broke others`
`00:05.43`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`the problem is that no matter waht i say, none will count as "proper" argument for you`
`00:05.49`	`Dashkal`	`much of it due that protected media path bullshit`
`00:05.50`	`vhaarr`	`that's not true`
`00:05.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`thus, you're a troll`
`00:05.57`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`sure, continue to claim that`
`00:06.18`	`vhaarr`	`sag_ich_nicht: I asked you to elaborate on the audio subsystem because I was not familiar with it`
`00:06.18`	`vhaarr`	`does that sound like the actions of a troll?`
`00:06.33`	`vhaarr`	`I thought maybe here was something new that could be worth learning about`
`00:06.34`	`JJSheets`	`sag_ich_nicht is calling you a troll? bwahahahahahahahahahaa`
`00:06.35`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`~feed vhaarr`
`00:06.36`	`purl`	`ACTION offers vhaarr some horseraddish`
`00:06.40`	`*** mode/#wowace [+b !i=bitch2k@85.127.117.*] by vhaarr`
`00:06.41`	`*** kick/#wowace [sag_ich_nicht!n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr] by vhaarr (vhaarr)`
`00:06.43`	`vhaarr`	`bye`
`00:06.44`	`Dashkal`	`I'll fully upgrade to vista for the same reason I use windows at all: because I need to to remain compatable with joe public. That primarily involves gaming.`
`00:07.09`	`profalbert`	`The sound system also allows you to use 2 different audio intputs (e.g. mic and line-in) simultaniously`
`00:07.12`	`CIA-40`	`03starinnia * r72263 10MobileVault/Core.lua: MobileVault: Fix nil error in Core.lua: line 615`
`00:07.57`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: but surely that must be supported by the hardware as well?`
`00:10.35`	`profalbert`	`vhaarr: don't know for sure, but I think every vista-sound-driver should support that`
`00:10.57`	`profalbert`	`so every soundcard with a vista-driver available, supports that under vista`
`00:11.20`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: yeah, but I mean the sound hardware must support it as well, so it's probably a prerequisite to get the "Vista Ready" sticker mark or whatever it's called`
`00:11.42`	`Matrix110`	`"Vista ready" is sooo retarted`
`00:11.51`	`Matrix110`	`Why is that goddamn sticker on monitors`
`00:11.53`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: which is good because it forces computer manufacturers to expand the default lineup of hardware, BUT`
`00:11.59`	`Matrix110`	`so ridiculous`
`00:12.00`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: it's not really new, is it`
`00:12.38`	`JJSheets`	`Vista Capable: get your email and get the fuck out.`
`00:13.02`	`vhaarr`	`I guess you can say it's good that people can expect to have 2 lineins be available, but it's not really something that people use all that mucha`
`00:13.17`	`Dashkal`	`"Vista Capable" == "We paid Microsoft to use that trademark". Little else`
`00:13.17`	`vhaarr`	`and people that do use it most likely have one of those advanced sound systems`
`00:14.01`	`profalbert`	`vhaarr: it's not a killer-feature to convert huge masses of users, but now that I have it, I find it quite useful sometimes`
`00:14.48`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: I would find it useful as well, since I have my hifi system connected to the computer so I can play CDs (I don't have a working CD-ROM) + I use the microphone for TS/Vent`
`00:14.55`	`Dashkal`	`I can give a reasonably simple example case: Voice activated commands to run a tuner card`
`00:15.03`	`vhaarr`	`but I use linux, so whether WinXP or Vista supports it or not does not concern me`
`00:15.59`	`profalbert`	`I use linux only for things that don't involve 3D-graphics`
`00:16.15`	`Dashkal`	`3d support on linux is pretty damn good now`
`00:16.16`	`Matrix110`	`I used XP and Vista and like Vista more... even though I would certainly change quite some things with it especially the UAC crap (for example WHY THE FUCK does it ask me "Do you want to continue if this needs UAC approval" and then get the UAC screen where you basically do the same thing aswell") Linux might be nice, but its not mainstream enough for my purposes which arent that professional`
`00:16.20`	`Dashkal`	`I rarely have issues with the nvidia drivers`
`00:16.38`	`Dashkal`	`and AMD is talking about making the ATI drivers ceace to suck`
`00:16.40`	`Dashkal`	`cease*`
`00:16.41`	`JJSheets`	`Unless they've improved, ATI support on Linux (for older cards) sucks.`
`00:16.42`	`Matrix110`	`Nvidia and good drivers? :P`
`00:16.53`	`Dashkal`	`The closed drivers work reasonably well for me`
`00:16.56`	`Primer`	`nvidia has always worked well`
`00:16.56`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: I only play WoW, Quake 1 and Starcraft, so new games not being supported by WINE is not a concern`
`00:16.59`	`Dashkal`	`the open drivers have work to go`
`00:17.01`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: hence I only use linux`
`00:17.01`	`JJSheets`	`nVidia has generally always had better drivers than ATI.`
`00:17.07`	`Dashkal`	`ATI used to be total suck, but AMD is talking about fixing that`
`00:17.20`	`vhaarr`	`they're not just talking dude`
`00:17.23`	`JJSheets`	`They've been talking for half a year now.`
`00:17.25`	`Dashkal`	`we'll see. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now`
`00:17.25`	`Ellipsis`	`did someone say something about ATI drivers not sucking?`
`00:17.26`	`Matrix110`	`well Nvidia has MUCH better connections to every game studio and MS`
`00:17.35`	`vhaarr`	`JJSheets: they have started working on it a long time ago`
`00:17.37`	`Ellipsis`	`extends her claws`
`00:17.38`	`vhaarr`	`more than 6 months ago`
`00:17.43`	`Dashkal`	`vhaarr: source? this kind of news intrigues me`
`00:17.46`	`JJSheets`	`yes, but my drivers still suck. :p`
`00:17.47`	`vhaarr`	`"news"`
`00:17.57`	`Dashkal`	`Looking for progress, not talk about progress :p`
`00:17.57`	`profalbert`	`vhaarr: I tried WoW under wine, but couldn't get the sound working properly. also 15fps (with no details at all), wasn't good enough for me`
`00:18.11`	`vhaarr`	`they released the full specifications to some of their chips, and they're working with Xorg`
`00:18.19`	`JJSheets`	`but then again, I don't use 3d on my linux box at the moment.`
`00:18.22`	`Dashkal`	`now _that's_ what I'm looking for`
`00:18.27`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: I get better FPS in linux actually`
`00:18.31`	`Primer`	`I get better FPS in wine too`
`00:18.32`	`Dashkal`	`that leaves just wireless to get my laptop working under linux`
`00:18.40`	`Dashkal`	`vhaarr: I get 1/2 FPS in linux`
`00:18.43`	`Dashkal`	`no idea what you tweaked`
`00:18.45`	`profalbert`	`vhaarr: with a nvidia-card i guess`
`00:18.48`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: yes`
`00:18.49`	`Ellipsis`	`what wireless card is it, Dashkal?`
`00:19.03`	`Dashkal`	`Ellipsis: Absolutely no idea.`
`00:19.05`	`Ellipsis`	`are there linux drivers or are you stuck with ndiswrapper?`
`00:19.10`	`Dashkal`	`I just know ubuntu hardy cannot see it`
`00:19.30`	`Zyndrome`	`I wonder when X-Fi soundcards will bloody work on Ubuntu`
`00:19.31`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: of course, the mouse is still run on software input, so it lags with the FPS, but provided the FPS is high enough it's not really a problem -- this is slated to be fixed sometime during the summer though, I believe`
`00:19.38`	`Dashkal`	`sec and I'll look up the driver`
`00:19.38`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: to get hardware cursor, I mean`
`00:19.43`	`Primer`	`Zyndrome: binary drivers were released not long ago`
`00:19.46`	`Matrix110`	`what i dont understand is`
`00:19.51`	`Primer`	`Zyndrome: for both 32 and 64 bit Linux`
`00:19.58`	`Dashkal`	`wow, that should work...`
`00:19.58`	`Matrix110`	`why Blizzard isnt releasing it for Linux aswell`
`00:20.08`	`Primer`	`because they suck`
`00:20.09`	`vhaarr`	`Matrix110: because WINE works`
`00:20.11`	`Dashkal`	`Realtek RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g USB2`
`00:20.16`	`profalbert`	`I think so`
`00:20.22`	`vhaarr`	`releasing a proper linux binary is not an easy task`
`00:20.28`	`profalbert`	`there is a IsLinxuClient() in the wowapi`
`00:20.31`	`Matrix110`	`if it already runs on MacOS its afaik not that much of a deal to port it`
`00:20.35`	`vhaarr`	`profalbert: we know :P`
`00:20.38`	`Ellipsis`	`there used to be a linux client`
`00:20.39`	`vhaarr`	`at least if they want to include the launcher`
`00:20.47`	`Dashkal`	`mac != linux. mac == BSD`
`00:20.54`	`NivFreak`	`mac == darwin`
`00:20.56`	`Matrix110`	`its certainly harder to port DirextX games to Linux than OpenGL games`
`00:21.00`	`Matrix110`	`Dashkal i know`
`00:21.04`	`Matrix110`	`but its OpenGL`
`00:21.06`	`Matrix110`	`and OpenGL`
`00:21.07`	`Matrix110`	`:P`
`00:21.12`	`Ellipsis`	`WoW can run on either`
`00:21.15`	`JJSheets`	`And Mac is very specialized and stable. Linux changes from distro to distro.`
`00:21.18`	`Ellipsis`	`the windows version defaults to directx`
`00:21.21`	`profalbert`	`WoW.exe -opengl`
`00:21.29`	`Dashkal`	`points at JJs comment`
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`00:21.33`	`vhaarr`	`JJSheets: no it doesn't`
`00:21.40`	`vhaarr`	`some things do, yes`
`00:21.48`	`Primer`	`the Linux ABI doesn't change`
`00:21.50`	`JJSheets`	`mainly filesystem locations.`
`00:21.54`	`vhaarr`	`like the UI libraries, which is why it's hard to distribute a working binary for GUI apps`
`00:21.59`	`Dashkal`	`distros are not necessarally binary compatable with each other.`
`00:22.01`	`Ellipsis`	`JJSheets: but even if they required some insanely specific software setups, people would still jump through the hoops just to get wow running natively :P`
`00:22.02`	`Primer`	`if they wanted to, they could release the game with all the supporting libraries it needed`
`00:22.04`	`vhaarr`	`but the kernel interfaces remains the same`
`00:22.06`	`Primer`	`most Linux games already do this`
`00:22.16`	`vhaarr`	`Primer: indeed`
`00:22.21`	`vhaarr`	`and software as well`
`00:22.27`	`vhaarr`	`like Mozilla and VMware`
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`00:22.42`	`Primer`	`libc being the only "variable", really`
`00:22.43`	`Dashkal`	`meh, that's a pretty standard wireless... I wonder why I'm having trouble getting it to run`
`00:22.55`	`Matrix110`	`well just release it for "popular" distros then if people install more exotic distros they shouldnt have a problem with installing Ubuntu orso :P`
`00:23.03`	`JJSheets`	`is off for dinner. Have fun, ya'll.`
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`00:23.44`	`vhaarr`	`Matrix110: fact is that without the launcher, they wouldn't need to interface with anything except X, libc and the kernel`
`00:23.55`	`Primer`	`I recall that genpoo users couldn't play some games because they compiled their glibc's without NPTL`
`00:24.04`	`Dashkal`	`people have even managed to pull this off`
`00:24.06`	`vhaarr`	`and those ABIs remain stable for ages`
`00:24.15`	`Dashkal`	`eh, if you use gentoo, all bets are off`
`00:24.21`	`mitch0`	`releasing for linux == more support problems. I guess that's the only reason they don't release. and the other fact that the linux userbase is pretty slim`
`00:24.23`	`Dashkal`	`there's a price to pay for all that control`
`00:24.32`	`Matrix110`	`that could be mitch0`
`00:24.40`	`Primer`	`mitch0: most Linux binaries are unsupported`
`00:24.48`	`Primer`	`like ID's games`
`00:24.57`	`Dashkal`	`<3 ID's linux policy`
`00:25.20`	`Primer`	`while binaries exist, don't expect support...unless you know the developer :)`
`00:25.20`	`Dashkal`	`too bad valve kicked the shit out of them for quality`
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`00:26.18`	`Primer`	`knows the developer`
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`00:26.18`	`Dashkal`	`<--- valve fanboy`
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`00:26.18`	`mitch0`	`I used to work for a game company. I did most of the development on the game in linux, yet they still only released for windows...`
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`00:26.58`	`profalbert`	`it's actually quite simpel: how many users don't buy the product, JUST because there is no linux-client`
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`00:27.23`	`Matrix110`	`really really few`
`00:27.29`	`Matrix110`	`few thousand`
`00:27.43`	`Matrix110`	`if even that many`
`00:28.00`	`Cryect`	`not enough to break even on ensuring and supporting linux really`
`00:28.00`	`profalbert`	`most of the linux-users that like to play, rely on a seperate windows-box, or dualboot`
`00:28.03`	`Dashkal`	`eh, linux users still have this stigma granted to us by our lord RMS... sighs`
`00:28.13`	`Matrix110`	`because NORMALLY people that use Linux out of their free mind got no problem getting it running in Wine or have dual boot or a windows box:P`
`00:28.26`	`Dashkal`	`twisted from even his twisted vision into "We don't wanna pay for any software"`
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`00:28.45`	`Matrix110`	`only people desperate buying a "cheap" PC with linux preinstalled might not buy WoW because of that :D`
`00:28.58`	`Dashkal`	`Suits look at that and think: "They aren't customers anyway"`
`00:29.05`	`Matrix110`	`ye`
`00:29.14`	`Matrix110`	`they dont have the hardware to run it`
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`00:29.50`	`Matrix110`	`anyway`
`00:29.51`	`Matrix110`	`gn8`
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`00:37.20`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72266 10Incubator/Core.lua:`
`00:37.20`	`CIA-40`	`Incubator:`
`00:37.20`	`CIA-40`	`- Doomfire destroyer/oblivian mage linked to twins`
`00:38.23`	`durcyn`	`Ackis: you better put the mob ID numbers in comments =/`
`00:39.11`	`Ackis`	`whistles innocently`
`00:40.05`	`Ackis`	`durcyn: I haven't looked at the branch tbh, just tossing quick fixes for some sunwell stuff... don't have mob id's however`
`00:40.14`	`durcyn`	`~choke Ackis`
`00:40.15`	`purl`	`ACTION squeezes Ackis till he turns blue like papa smurf`
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`00:41.29`	`Dashkal`	`O.o card server having issues`
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`00:41.44`	`Dashkal`	`hmm, I'm connected to card...`
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`00:41.48`	`Dashkal`	`but not getting disconnected`
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`00:42.00`	`Ellipsis`	`then it's not your server :PP`
`00:42.04`	`Ellipsis`	`-P`
`00:42.07`	`Ackis`	`lol i don't know wtf is going on anymore lol`
`00:42.34`	`Dashkal`	`nevcairiel has left freenode (card.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)`
`00:42.41`	`Sinaloit`	`anyone made many attempts on m'uru yet?`
`00:42.42`	`Dashkal`	`does that mean he was connected to card or that card told me?`
`00:42.52`	`Ellipsis`	`it means you're connected to card`
`00:43.03`	`Ellipsis`	`technically on most networks that would mean that card split from irc.freenode.net`
`00:43.04`	`Ellipsis`	`but that's not true in this case`
`00:43.06`	`Dashkal`	`ahh, just where the message is comming from`
`00:43.11`	`Ellipsis`	`this network hides remote server connections for some reason`
`00:43.25`	`Dashkal`	`Yeah, If I was on the splitting server I'd expect most everybody to vanish and just leave me and a few others`
`00:43.32`	`Dashkal`	`or just dc outright`
`00:43.36`	`Ellipsis`	`yep`
`00:43.50`	`Ellipsis`	`there's no real way to know which server it is that's dying other than to ask one of them what they're on :P`
`00:43.57`	`genetik`	`vhaarr: not sure if anyone's said anything about it tonight, but i'm getting an error with nrt when people whisper me after a boss kill`
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`00:46.38`	`Ackis`	`ahahah 6400 SMITE`
`00:47.08`	`Chaud`	`ACKIS`
`00:47.13`	`Ackis`	`sup`
`00:47.15`	`Chaud`	`write me an addon`
`00:47.21`	`Chaud`	`it outputs raid icon art to chat`
`00:47.22`	`Ackis`	`no`
`00:47.23`	`Ackis`	`diaf`
`00:47.25`	`Chaud`	`pl0x.`
`00:47.36`	`Chaud`	`I need to make marrio without 4 macros`
`00:47.40`	`Chaud`	`and other things.`
`00:47.51`	`Chaud`	`*mario`
`00:50.58`	`Zhinjio`	`damnit.`
`00:50.59`	`stew_a`	`Ackis: have you considered adding the profession training vendors/quests/items to AckisRecipeList? i mean like which trainer would teach you artisan, or which book for master etc, its great being able to just look on the list and see where to get a recipe, but still need to go look those up on the web etc`
`00:51.09`	`Zhinjio`	`the crib was way to big to fit in my truck`
`00:51.14`	`Zhinjio`	`so ... delivery it is.`
`00:52.25`	`CIA-40`	`03phanx 072.4 * r72267 10Assessment/ (. embeds.xml):`
`00:52.26`	`CIA-40`	`Assessment:`
`00:52.26`	`CIA-40`	`- Fix LibSharedMedia-3.0 embed`
`00:52.26`	`CIA-40`	`- Add CallbackHandler-1.0 embed`
`00:53.07`	`Ellipsis`	`~comfort Zhinjio`
`00:53.08`	`purl`	`There, there, Zhinjio. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
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`01:13.51`	`vhaarr`	`genetik: please give me the error`
`01:15.21`	`genetik`	`one sec`
`01:15.29`	`vhaarr`	`ah`
`01:15.49`	`vhaarr`	`I found one problem`
`01:15.55`	`vhaarr`	`but give me the error there might be more`
`01:16.35`	`genetik`	`NRT.lua:866 attempt to index field 'db' (a nil value)`
`01:16.59`	`vhaarr`	`fix inc`
`01:17.10`	`genetik`	`cool.. thanks`
`01:17.16`	`CIA-40`	`03rabbit * r72269 10NRT/NRT.lua: NRT: Fix whispers.`
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`01:21.15`	`CIA-40`	`03parnic * r72270 10IceHUD/modules/SliceAndDice.lua:`
`01:21.15`	`CIA-40`	`IceHUD:`
`01:21.15`	`CIA-40`	`- made SnD module work for non-english clients`
`01:21.15`	`CIA-40`	`- added a toggleable option to make the bar show as a percentage of the maximum attainable slice and dice time (with set bonuses and talents accounted for) instead of going from full to empty no matter the duration`
`01:23.35`	`Gelo`	`How do you get druid form info like the dogtag?`
`01:26.20`	`hydrogen`	`yaa dst finally`
`01:26.34`	`starlon`	`lies`
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`01:32.56`	`Gelo`	`anyone know?`
`01:33.43`	`KriLL3`	`I have no idea what you tried to ask`
`01:34.08`	`Parnic`	`you probably want to check UnitPowerType if the class of the player is druid`
`01:34.10`	`starlon`	`DruidForm`
`01:34.22`	`Gelo`	`Parnic, doh. thanks :P`
`01:34.42`	`Parnic`	`you won't be able to tell between moonkin/travel/tree of life, but you can check bear/cat easily that way`
`01:36.02`	`Parnic`	`ahh, here you go Gelo: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetShapeshiftFormInfo`
`01:36.11`	`Parnic`	`foolprof ;)`
`01:37.08`	`Gelo`	`Parnic, it's for target but thanks anyway :)`
`01:42.22`	`Gelo`	`Are shamans considered beasts while using ghost wolf ?`
`01:46.49`	`Gelo`	`http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/120/wip080501qo6.jpg :)`
`01:47.11`	`Parnic`	`hey those are nifty-looking frames`
`01:47.24`	`Parnic`	`nice job`
`01:47.46`	`Parnic`	`which mod is that`
`01:47.50`	`Gelo`	`oUF`
`01:48.26`	`Gelo`	`old wip was http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6366/wowscrnshot042008203046do9.jpg`
`01:48.59`	`Parnic`	`those look great :). is the mod available?`
`01:49.19`	`Gelo`	`nope`
`01:49.25`	`Parnic`	`keep us posted`
`01:49.31`	`nocts`	`I want that when it's ready.`
`01:49.35`	`Parnic`	`me too`
`01:49.41`	`nocts`	`And no, shamans are not in beast when in ghostwolf`
`01:49.52`	`nocts`	`But we not humanoid either, strangely`
`01:50.12`	`Gelo`	`Ô.o`
`01:50.49`	`mitch0`	`gelo: does it show CC effects somehow?`
`01:51.11`	`nocts`	`I know that ghostwolf can't be sapped, but I've never heard of fear beast work on it either.`
`01:51.42`	`Gelo`	`mitch0, nope.`
`01:51.53`	`Chaud`	`Ackis I'm going to need that addon now.`
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`02:05.46`	`Moddington`	`anyone know if MINIMAP_ZONE_CHANGED is still used? I've been trying to get it to fire, but it won't`
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`02:08.40`	`Moddington`	`I think it's been deprecated, I've registered all events on a frame, but IsEventRegistered("MINIMAP_ZONE_CHANGED") is returning nil`
`02:09.09`	`Moddington`	`I've triple-checked the spelling, and checking other events return 1`
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`02:11.06`	`Moddington`	`checking if it's registered on UIParent also returns false`
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`02:13.41`	`Moddington`	`I'm concluding that Blizz has deprecated it`
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`02:15.11`	`CIA-40`	`03Merial * r72271 10AlwaysLFG/AlwaysLFG.lua:`
`02:15.11`	`CIA-40`	`AlwaysLFG:`
`02:15.11`	`CIA-40`	`- Removed incorrect dependency on AceHook, which caused loading to fail.`
`02:20.36`	`Chaud`	`how do people have labels under their buffs with buffalo`
`02:20.46`	`Ellipsis`	`buffalo2`
`02:21.24`	`Chaud`	`does that work with cycircled?`
`02:21.28`	`Moddington`	`Been playing around more, seems to me that ZONE_CHANGED and ZONE_CHANGED_INDOORS were also updated to always fire when GetZoneText and GetSubZoneText have been updated with the new values`
`02:21.48`	`Moddington`	`basically, MINIMAP_ZONE_CHANGED was made redundant`
`02:22.02`	`Ellipsis`	`I dunno, I assume so`
`02:22.51`	VonhintenHOME`	`There a Grid mod that can show status for people with health below a certain number?`
`02:22.59`	VonhintenHOME`	`not percentage, mind you`
`02:23.49`	`Chaud`	`buffalo2 last update forever ago though?`
`02:25.17`	`dylanm`	`I think Nimbal quit or something?`
`02:25.48`	`dylanm`	`It's not as if Aura code has changed much.`
`02:26.32`	`Ellipsis`	`buffalo2 was discontinued, yes`
`02:27.04`	`Chaud`	`=\`
`02:28.36`	`Chaud`	`but this Satrina Buff Frames thing says it supports cycircled`
`02:28.46`	`Chaud`	`maybe that has labels =\`
`02:32.36`	`CIA-40`	`03Chingerayl * r72272 10DailyQuestTracker/ (4 files in 2 dirs):`
`02:32.36`	`CIA-40`	`DailyQuestTracker:`
`02:32.36`	`CIA-40`	`- Support added for Daily Battlegrounds quests.`
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`02:33.14`	`Chaud`	`why doesnt buffalo have labels and more options =\`
`02:34.50`	`CIA-40`	`03Chingerayl * r72273 10DailyQuestTracker/DailyQuestTracker.toc:`
`02:34.50`	`CIA-40`	`DailyQuestTracker:`
`02:34.50`	`CIA-40`	`- Removed credits for now.`
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`02:40.08`	`Shirik`	`woot`
`02:40.18`	`Shirik`	`broke 1k mp5 http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3eaaa41ffdb8dad889eac6dc07907f6b.jpg`
`02:44.04`	`Ackis`	`oofsr :P`
`02:44.13`	`CIA-40`	`03kemayo * r72274 10BetterQuest/modules/blizzard/blizzard.lua: BetterQuest: Icons weren't being recolored in QUEST_GREETING.`
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`02:48.29`	`DarkElf`	`"LibQuixote-2.0\\LibQuixote-2.0.lua:357: attempt to index field '?' (a boolean value)\nLibQuixote-2.0\\LibQuixote-2.0.lua:119: in function <...Ons\\LibQuixote-2.0\\LibQuixote-2.0\\LibQuixote-2.0.lua:118`
`02:53.53`	`DarkElf`	`guess i shouldnt have the library in addons, that may fix that one, slaps head and goes doh like homer simpson`
`02:59.40`	`Zhinjio`	`goddamnit.`
`02:59.49`	`Zhinjio`	`tortoise does not seem to like updating externals`
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`03:06.28`	`CIA-40`	`03nymbia * r72275 10Quartz/Swing/Swing.lua:`
`03:06.28`	`CIA-40`	`Quartz:`
`03:06.28`	`CIA-40`	`- Apply patch from Brian Nelson to fix swing timer resets due to sword spec procs. Thanks!`
`03:08.19`	`CIA-40`	`03zhinjio * r72276 10/branches/SKG/:`
`03:08.19`	`CIA-40`	`SuicideKingsGeo :`
`03:08.19`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:11.20`	`CIA-40`	`03parnic * r72277 10IceHUD/modules/SliceAndDice.lua:`
`03:11.20`	`CIA-40`	`IceHUD:`
`03:11.20`	`CIA-40`	`- made the SnD module optionally show a shadow of the duration bar as you build combo points. this shadow will show how long your snd will last if you hit it right then`
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`03:13.40`	`Ackis`	funkeh`: on twins getting darkness %s as warnings
`03:13.54`	`Moddington`	`gah, AceDB isn't saving my vars`
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`03:14.41`	`Moddington`	`I'm using <dataobject>.<datatype>.<index> = value, like the documentation says, but it won't save between reloads or sessions`
`03:14.51`	`Moddington`	`anything I should know about it?`
`03:15.02`	`Moddington`	`that could make it act this way?`
`03:15.35`	`vithos`	`most of the raid is showing up as "Unknown" on Omen, r71636`
`03:15.58`	`Silverstorm`	`Ackis: Funky's on vacation til Sunday, I think he said this morning`
`03:16.39`	`Zhinjio`	`hmm`
`03:16.51`	`Zhinjio`	`how come CIA didn't report my commit.`
`03:17.41`	`Zhinjio`	`files.wowace has it.`
`03:17.42`	`CIA-40`	`03zhinjio * r72278 10/branches/SKG/ (22 files in 5 dirs):`
`03:17.42`	`CIA-40`	`SuicideKingsGeo :`
`03:17.42`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:17.42`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:17.42`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:17.43`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:17.44`	`Zhinjio`	`very fishy`
`03:17.48`	`Zhinjio`	`there it is`
`03:17.50`	`Zhinjio`	`heh`
`03:18.11`	`Ackis`	`Silverstorm: Oh... lol HOW DARE HE lawls`
`03:18.32`	`durcyn`	`well, he said "going to belgium", but that could mean anything.`
`03:18.56`	`Silverstorm`	`true`
`03:18.56`	`Ackis`	`that could be the name of a store?`
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`03:32.49`	`Deloralala`	`"best" hunter addon out there? is what^^? i need trap timers etc..`
`03:34.18`	`Lywellyn`	`Anyone know of the API that returns the character's maximum learnable skill level in a given profession (hopefully without racial bonuses)?`
`03:38.42`	`durcyn`	`Lywellyn: GetNumSkillLines, GetSkillLineInfo`
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`03:40.01`	`CIA-40`	`03scorpio0920 * r72279 10UnderHood/Localization/ (localization-zhCN.lua localization-zhTW.lua):`
`03:40.01`	`CIA-40`	`UnderHood:`
`03:40.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Update zhCN localization.`
`03:40.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Update zhTW localization.`
`03:41.42`	`Lywellyn`	`Ugh.`
`03:42.58`	`stew_a`	`Ackis: ARL's Undermine Clam Chowder source is incorrect http://www.wowhead.com/?item=16767`
`03:53.18`	`Lywellyn`	`stew_a: What name appears for that recipe?`
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`03:54.10`	`stew_a`	`The fishing vendor in stormwind, cant remember the name, just went and bought it from the right one`
`03:55.01`	`Lywellyn`	`okay. I see what's wrong with it. Thanks :)`
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`03:57.40`	`Silverstorm`	`so...using AceTimer, what would be the most efficient way to pass multiple arguments? make a table and pass it? use some file-scope locals?`
`03:58.10`	`Shirik`	`define "efficient"`
`03:58.37`	`Viper_0000`	`there a way to fix dotimer not tracking scorch/fire vulnerability if im not the first to apply it`
`04:00.25`	`Silverstorm`	`umm, fastest way that won't start consuming memory like a pig?`
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`04:01.00`	`Silverstorm`	`I have 4 parameters I need to pass to that function, but the API is only set to allow one`
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`04:02.01`	`Gngsk`	`durcyn, ping`
`04:06.08`	`Antiarc`	`Either pass a table to refactor your code`
`04:06.18`	`Antiarc`	`s/to/or/`
`04:09.54`	`Silverstorm`	`what about creating a closure?`
`04:10.21`	`Silverstorm`	`seems to work alright, any reason i shouldn't do that?`
`04:13.33`	`durcyn`	`Gngsk, pong`
`04:14.10`	`chiper`	`huh, we just had a tiny little earthquake`
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`04:14.47`	`CIA-40`	`03Lywellyn * r72280 10AckisRecipeList/ (5 files in 3 dirs):`
`04:14.47`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`04:14.47`	`CIA-40`	`- Fix for Undermine Clam Chowder (cooking)`
`04:14.47`	`CIA-40`	`- Beginning code for adding maximum skill raise methods (trainers/books for Journeyman and beyond)`
`04:14.52`	`stew_a`	`Lywellyn: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31674#sold-by is listed incorrectly as being sold by some guy in ravenholdt`
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`04:15.22`	`Lywellyn`	`talk about being one second too late ;)`
`04:15.31`	`stew_a`	`sorry, ravenholdt is hard to get to`
`04:15.36`	`Lywellyn`	`hehe`
`04:16.12`	`Ackis`	`?`
`04:16.27`	`Antiarc`	`A closure is at least as expensive as a table, I believe?`
`04:16.56`	`Silverstorm`	`I'll have to dig up the memory size wiki again to find out, I think it's similar`
`04:17.55`	`stew_a`	`Lywellyn: theres actually 2 recipes at 335 cooking that have that vendor listed`
`04:18.19`	`Lywellyn`	`which ones?`
`04:18.29`	`Antiarc`	`What are you trying to accomplish?`
`04:18.58`	`stew_a`	`mok'nathal shortribs and crunchy serpent`
`04:20.06`	`Lywellyn`	`brb ><`
`04:21.36`	`Ackis`	`stew_a: what's wrong?`
`04:21.47`	`Silverstorm`	`lol, actually creating a Bar using LibBars. I'm working on a new dot timer, and sometimes I know the arguments to the function from a CLEU event, other times I have to derive them based on combination of UNIT_SPELLCAST_* and CLEU`
`04:21.50`	`stew_a`	`just some wrongly listed vendors for cooking`
`04:22.03`	`Antiarc`	`Can you pastey some code?`
`04:22.06`	`Silverstorm`	`sure`
`04:23.13`	`durcyn`	`Silverstorm: why? UNIT_SPELLCAST is effectly deprecated by CLEU`
`04:23.36`	`Antiarc`	`You can't tell which target you apply a DOT to via the combat log, IIRC?`
`04:23.48`	`Silverstorm`	`insta cast, you can`
`04:24.01`	`durcyn`	`oh, right, _SENT. feh.`
`04:24.05`	`Antiarc`	`Oh, it's buffs you can't tell`
`04:24.15`	`Silverstorm`	`CLEU: SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS has src and dest, the others are missing either src or dest`
`04:24.24`	`Silverstorm`	`hang, lemme get the relevant parts in a paster`
`04:24.27`	`Silverstorm`	`pastey*`
`04:24.33`	`durcyn`	`Antiarc: afaict, any aura application, buff or debuff, lacks source data in CLEU`
`04:24.42`	`Antiarc`	`right`
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`04:25.26`	`Ackis`	`stew_a: fixed ty, just got done raiding :P`
`04:25.36`	`stew_a`	`cool :-)`
`04:25.39`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72281 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Cook.lua:`
`04:25.39`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`04:25.39`	`CIA-40`	`- Cooking vendor update`
`04:25.39`	`CIA-40`	`- Durrr ackis is a tard! 283 -> 284`
`04:25.58`	`Ackis`	`if i don't respond here just fire me a PM`
`04:25.58`	`Silverstorm`	`http://ace.pastey.net/86976`
`04:26.36`	`Silverstorm`	`I'm trying to be as accurate as possible by limiting the window during which an aura can be associated with a cast`
`04:27.05`	`Antiarc`	`Why use the timer to delay it?`
`04:27.14`	`Antiarc`	`As opposed to just starting the bar there?`
`04:28.38`	`Silverstorm`	`I haven't had a good chance to test resists yet, so I don't know exactly where they fall in the event sequence. I know UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED fires whether it hits or "misses"`
`04:29.17`	`Silverstorm`	`not sure about CLEU: SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS, though`
`04:29.30`	`Antiarc`	`Closures seem the most complete way to solve that, but that's going to eat a lot of garbage.`
`04:29.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`ROFL`
`04:29.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`rag down`
`04:29.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`1:15 left until he submerged`
`04:30.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`double stormrage legs`
`04:30.29`	`Silverstorm`	`yeah...20 bytes for closure, 36 per upvalue since they're dynamic`
`04:30.39`	`Silverstorm`	`so 164 per instantiation`
`04:30.46`	`Antiarc`	`give dot application frequency, that may not be insignificant`
`04:31.02`	`Silverstorm`	`yeah, that's why I'm trying to find the best way to do it`
`04:31.02`	`Antiarc`	`I'd recommend re-using a table`
`04:31.08`	`Antiarc`	`Since you can't cast twice within 0.5 sec`
`04:31.20`	`Silverstorm`	`trying to balance table access with memory usage...ugh`
`04:32.21`	`Silverstorm`	`anyway, I have some suggestions for LibBars, but they're in no way coherent right now. Once they are, where should I send them?`
`04:32.38`	`Ackis`	`if anyone who updates bigwigs is around, just posted M'uru transcriptor logs`
`04:32.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`less than 1 hour mc clear i think`
`04:33.08`	`Antiarc`	`Here is best, I guess. I don't have a thread or anything for it.`
`04:34.04`	`Silverstorm`	`ok, once I get the mod fleshed out a bit more, I'll clean up my suggestions and send 'em`
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`04:35.12`	`Antiarc`	`http://ace.pastey.net/86977`
`04:35.14`	`Antiarc`	`More or less.`
`04:35.44`	`Antiarc`	`hackish but efficient.`
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`04:38.45`	`Silverstorm`	`yeah...I would have skipped the unpack part and just pulled them out in TT:CreateBar. Maybe I'll test both ways, see what works better`
`04:39.02`	`Antiarc`	`Heh, you can pull them out separately, I'm just lazy :P`
`04:39.13`	`Antiarc`	`Also in hyjal.`
`04:40.49`	`Silverstorm`	`lol. yeah, this is a side project, I should really be working on my RaidDPS block for StatBlocks, since we're starting up attempts on Brutallus soonâ¢`
`04:41.59`	`Antiarc`	`I'm just using Recount's total bar for that at the moment`
`04:43.14`	`Silverstorm`	`that would work...but a StatBlock should be quite a bit lighter, imo :-p`
`04:43.22`	`Antiarc`	`heh, indeed`
`04:43.36`	`Silverstorm`	`already use my personal DPS one all the time, shouldn't be hard to extend to Raid DPS`
`04:45.20`	`stew_a`	`meh damn near impossible to get all the cooking recipes nowadays, the epic one is rare as steak straight from the talbuk`
`04:46.05`	VonhintenHOME`	`epic one?`
`04:46.21`	`stew_a`	`yeah the one epic cooking recipe in the game`
`04:46.39`	`Antiarc`	`Chimarok Chops`
`04:46.41`	VonhintenHOME`	`that the one from BWL?`
`04:46.42`	`stew_a`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21025`
`04:46.44`	`Antiarc`	`From the AQ gate questline`
`04:47.05`	VonhintenHOME`	`yeah, only a few every got that one`
`04:47.09`	VonhintenHOME`	`ever`
`04:47.27`	`stew_a`	`pretty straihgtforward if you ever farmed AQ40`
`04:49.40`	`stew_a`	`i'm hoping to persuade a guildie to run the quest line and sell me his`
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`04:56.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`rofl ony hits like a girl`
`04:57.24`	`Antiarc`	`So there's a gnome frost mage on my server named Chilliewilli`
`04:57.28`	`Antiarc`	`FROSTBOLT TO THE CROTCH`
`05:06.43`	`Zyndrome`	`"Onyxia takes a deep breath."`
`05:06.48`	`Zyndrome`	`panic`
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`05:08.51`	`Evandiann`	`anyone here use QuestsFu?`
`05:09.36`	`Silverstorm`	`can I have a nickel for every time I /rl due to typo? I could retire and write addons full time, then`
`05:10.34`	`Nechckn`	`Evandiann surely do`
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`05:11.05`	`vithos`	`Antiarc: my name in game is Vith, and i linked https://vith.mine.nu/vith_raid_bm-47.xls in a channel, and this is what chatter did: http://i30.tinypic.com/289k6sn.jpg`
`05:11.24`	`Evandiann`	`u know how when u pregress on a quest, it scrolls on ur screen?`
`05:11.42`	`Nechckn`	`yep`
`05:12.16`	`Antiarc`	`Hrm. Okay.`
`05:12.17`	`Evandiann`	`for some reason on my friend's questsfu it isn't doing that. he has his settings exactly the same as mine and i can see it`
`05:13.06`	`vithos`	`Antiarc: also, urls in /me breaks it in a similar way`
`05:13.15`	`Evandiann`	`i can see when he progresses on a quest, but he can't`
`05:13.28`	`vithos`	`without the conflict from the highlight module`
`05:13.30`	`Evandiann`	`and he can't see when i progress on a quest`
`05:13.41`	`CIA-40`	`03toadkiller * r72282 10AutoBar/ (3 files):`
`05:13.41`	`CIA-40`	`AutoBar :`
`05:13.42`	`CIA-40`	`-- Clean up icon texture code. This should solve the empty button issue in at least some cases.`
`05:13.43`	`Nechckn`	`Hmmm.. let me take a look, perhaps I can offer some sort of hand`
`05:15.36`	`CIA-40`	`03krakhaan * r72283 10BigBrother/BigBrother.lua:`
`05:15.36`	`CIA-40`	`BigBrother:`
`05:15.37`	`CIA-40`	`- added check for party or raid before screaming to guild/officer channel`
`05:15.41`	`stew_a`	`Antiarc: i've got the highlight module off and it still highlights my name btw, and linkhover still doesnt hook all 7 chat frames properly`
`05:16.16`	`vithos`	`oh that's a good point. i have highlight off too`
`05:16.19`	`vithos`	`but it still highlights`
`05:16.41`	`Nechckn`	`Evandiann are they installing with dependencies?`
`05:17.22`	`Evandiann`	`he uses the wowaceupdater and he has it download dependancies and without externals, same as me`
`05:18.49`	`vithos`	`Antiarc: item links are also broken in /me`
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`05:25.59`	`Nechckn`	`Evandiann go to C:\World of Warcraft\WTF\Account\<<AcctName>>\SavedVariables then remove Fubar_QuestsFu.lua to a safe spot. It will be recreated with defaults upon the restart of WoW then try resetting the options as you like`
`05:26.49`	`Nechckn`	`that will say if it's a Fubar_Questsfu issue or some other addon or setting that is causing interference`
`05:27.42`	`Nechckn`	`**your friend's path may well be different, but it will be the same once into the WorldofWarcraft directory`
`05:28.15`	`Evandiann`	`i'll have him try that and see what happens. but he just logged off. after he tries it, i'll let u know if it worked`
`05:28.18`	`Nechckn`	`That way, if it turns out to be another addon, you can always move the file back into the SavedVariable directory`
`05:30.46`	`Nechckn`	`I'm just going by what I would do- much beyond that, you may end up needing to post with the behaviour on the WoWAce, QuestsFu thread for indepth help =)`
`05:31.39`	`Silverstorm`	`woot! my new dot timer is working for multiple mobs that I target. next steps, test in raid and test with focus/mouseover as the spell targets`
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`05:32.07`	`Silverstorm`	`oh...and clean up the frames I leave on the screen :-p`
`05:32.17`	`Evandiann`	`ok, thx for the help`
`05:35.23`	`JJSheets`	`nite ya'll`
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`05:37.19`	`CIA-40`	`03Krevlorn * r72284 10FuBar_HonorFuPlus/ (. FuBar_HonorFuPlus.toc HonorFuPlus.lua readme.txt): FuBar_HonorFuPlus: Another attempt to fix my noobish mistakes and mishandling of externals.`
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`05:55.36`	`vithos`	`LibQuixote-2.0 is set as OptionalDep for StatBlocks_Quests, so it's not caught by autodeps for no-ext`
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`05:56.38`	`Ellipsis`	`so add it to the x-embeds`
`06:05.54`	`CIA-40`	`03kemayo * r72285 10StatBlocks_Quests/StatBlocks_Quests.toc: StatBlocks_Quests: X-Embeds`
`06:05.57`	`Kemayo`	`Complain, complain, complain...`
`06:06.28`	`vithos`	`:D`
`06:06.59`	`Ellipsis`	`~cookie Kemayo`
`06:07.01`	`Ellipsis`	`aww, fail purl`
`06:07.14`	`Ellipsis`	`lol`
`06:07.24`	`Ellipsis`	`gives Kemayo a cookie anyway`
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`06:10.09`	`Zython`	`Hey, can anyone help me with a problem I have with an add-on?`
`06:10.33`	`Snago`	`~tell Zython about asktoask`
`06:11.24`	`Zython`	`I have a problem with Bosstalk. When I load it, it gives me the error:`
`06:11.59`	`Zython`	`Interface\AddOns\BossTalk\BossTalk_tables.lua:54: Cannot find a library instance of Babble-boss-2.2.`
`06:12.06`	`Zython`	`anyone know what I should do?`
`06:12.35`	`Ellipsis`	`tell the author to update it`
`06:13.39`	`Zython`	`already posted my problem at curse. Just wondering if anyone knew off-hand`
`06:13.50`	`Ellipsis`	`you can download babble-2.2 to make it shut up`
`06:14.05`	`Zython`	`you got a link?`
`06:14.12`	`Ellipsis`	`http://files.wowace.com`
`06:14.20`	`Zython`	`-_- thanks`
`06:15.28`	`Zython`	`do I put it in the folder of the offending add-on, or do I put it in as its own add-on?`
`06:16.23`	`Zython`	`eh, nothing ventured, nothing gained`
`06:16.35`	`Ellipsis`	`install it like a separate addon`
`06:17.02`	`Zython`	`gotcha`
`06:17.29`	`Zython`	`and it works! thanks alot!`
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`06:27.13`	`ennuilg`	`Gah.`
`06:27.19`	`ennuilg`	`Bloody spaces.`
`06:27.22`	`buu`	`HA HA`
`06:27.29`	`buu`	`takes notes`
`06:27.32`	`ennuilg`	`Far too early this morning.`
`06:29.36`	`Ellipsis`	`licks buu`
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`07:23.31`	`CIA-40`	`03durcyn 07Ace3 * r72286 10Hourglass/core.lua: append hidden cooldown name/icon instead of overwriting the table. duh.`
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`07:25.45`	`Antiarc`	`Someone recommend an RSS reader for Windows to me`
`07:25.56`	`Antiarc`	`Preferably something with popup alert options`
`07:26.01`	`Antiarc`	`I use Thunderbird right now but it's really barebones.`
`07:26.11`	`vithos`	`i just use Google Reader webapp`
`07:28.22`	`CIA-40`	`03Krevlorn * r72287 10FuBar_HonorFuPlus/: FuBar_HonorFuPlus: Once more with feeling!`
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`07:42.06`	`Orionshock`	`morning all`
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`08:08.18`	`durcyn`	`hello Orionshock`
`08:08.32`	`Orionshock`	`hey durcyn`
`08:08.55`	`Orionshock`	`... i've been thinking... i wonder if i can rewrite flagRSP2 to be better...`
`08:10.06`	`durcyn`	`but would you call it flagRSP22 or flagRSP3`
`08:10.48`	`Orionshock`	`i'd call it "IRolePlay"`
`08:11.56`	`Orionshock`	`IRP for short :P`
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`08:13.04`	`CIA-40`	`03orionshock * r72288 10GuildCraft/ChatChannelComms.lua: GuildCraft: Optimize ChatChannelComms some more`
`08:13.32`	`Orionshock`	`but i don't know what exactly flagRSP2 does wrt roleplay, all i really remember from it is that it's comms system sucked badly...`
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`08:37.25`	`CIA-40`	`03Krevlorn * r72290 10FuBar_HonorFuPlus/FuBar_HonorFuPlus.toc: FuBar_HonorFuPlus: edited .toc file`
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`09:03.19`	`Xinhuan`	`pong`
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`09:04.04`	`[SW]Dodge`	`got a gathermate bug :)`
`09:04.11`	`[SW]Dodge`	`http://dodgex.servegame.com/gathermate/ <- see the minimap`
`09:04.21`	`[SW]Dodge`	`it was after gathering a chest`
`09:05.58`	`Xinhuan`	`what exactly is the bug`
`09:06.37`	`[SW]Dodge`	`the icon for the chest stays all the time at the same position on my minimap`
`09:07.14`	`[SW]Dodge`	`icon = circle`
`09:07.19`	`Xinhuan`	`it means you have some addon in the background setting your worldmap to some other zone`
`09:07.26`	`Xinhuan`	`that isn't your current zone`
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`09:08.36`	`[SW]Dodge`	`hm, maybe its becouse the chest was in the cave with the spiders north of shadowglen`
`09:09.17`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzFrLXAYASc`
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`09:20.08`	`GeloG`	`lol`
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`09:24.22`	`Groktar`	`i hate wws`
`09:24.30`	`Groktar`	`why can't i see all the reports for a given guild?`
`09:24.31`	`Groktar`	`:(`
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`09:24.54`	`CIA-40`	`03lilsparky 07lilsparky * r72292 10Skillet/ (16 files in 3 dirs):`
`09:24.54`	`CIA-40`	`Skillet/lilsparky:`
`09:24.54`	`CIA-40`	`-continuing to revise internal data storage`
`09:24.54`	`CIA-40`	`-added grouping capacity (limited support currently)`
`09:24.55`	`CIA-40`	`03Sorata * r72291 10Poppins/ (4 files in 3 dirs):`
`09:24.55`	`CIA-40`	`Poppins:`
`09:24.57`	`CIA-40`	`- Fix button position not saving`
`09:25.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Fix macro icons not showing`
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`09:26.01`	`Groktar`	`such an obvious, basic feature`
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`09:29.53`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia * r72293 10/branches/ModelViews/:`
`09:29.53`	`CIA-40`	`ModelViews:`
`09:29.53`	`CIA-40`	`- Creating folder to hold Model/View separation addons and sketches.`
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`09:30.39`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia * r72294 10/branches/ (LibDataBroker-1.0/Elsia/ ModelViews/Elsia/):`
`09:30.39`	`CIA-40`	`ModelViews:`
`09:30.39`	`CIA-40`	`- Moved remotely out of libdatabroker to avoid confusion`
`09:31.16`	`what-K`	`good morning can someone please eplain me how markmywords work ?`
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`09:32.45`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia 07Elsia * r72295 10ModelViews/ (DODisp_ArmorChatSpam/ MOView_ArmorChatSpam/):`
`09:32.45`	`CIA-40`	`MOView_ArmorChatSpam:`
`09:32.45`	`CIA-40`	`- Renamed remotely to match model/view language.`
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`09:33.35`	`CIA-40`	`MOView_ArmoredMan:`
`09:33.35`	`CIA-40`	`- Renamed remotely to match model/view language.`
`09:34.27`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia 07Elsia * r72297 10ModelViews/ (DO_Durability/ MO_Durability/):`
`09:34.27`	`CIA-40`	`MO_Durability:`
`09:34.27`	`CIA-40`	`- Renamed remotely to match model/view language`
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`09:36.25`	`CIA-40`	`03Sorata * r72298 10Poppins/ (Buttons.lua Libs/LibMacroParser-1.0/LibMacroParser-1.0.lua):`
`09:36.25`	`CIA-40`	`Poppins:`
`09:36.25`	`CIA-40`	`- Show the question mark texture if a button has an action but no texture is found`
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`09:39.35`	`Fisker-`	`i'm kiting dragonkins to orgrimmar`
`09:39.39`	`Fisker-`	`the ones from cot :D`
`09:40.43`	`Fisker-`	`stupid scripts :D`
`09:42.09`	`Orionshock`	`Apoco: ping`
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`09:46.56`	`Fisker-`	`almost at feralas`
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`09:48.21`	`CIA-40`	`03belazor 07core * r72299 10Cryolysis3/buttons.lua:`
`09:48.21`	`CIA-40`	`Cryolysis3:`
`09:48.21`	`CIA-40`	`- More nil/invalid action checks`
`09:48.21`	`CIA-40`	`- Removed need for additional local variables`
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`09:49.34`	`Fisker-`	`feralas!`
`09:53.13`	`jy_`	`Fisker-: big tour cause of the elevator ? :p`
`09:53.28`	`jy_`	`water maybe :p`
`09:53.38`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
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`09:53.54`	`Fisker-`	`though it does look like they can travel over mountains easily`
`09:54.01`	`Fisker-`	`they simply don't stop`
`09:56.54`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia 07Elsia * r72300 10ModelViews/MO_Durability/ (. DurabilityMO.lua MO_Durability.toc):`
`09:56.54`	`CIA-40`	`MO_Durability:`
`09:56.54`	`CIA-40`	`- Moved from DO to MO for model/view language.`
`09:57.53`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia 07Elsia * r72301 10ModelViews/MOView_ArmorChatSpam/ (. ArmorChatSpamDisplay.lua MOView_ArmorChatSpam.toc):`
`09:57.54`	`CIA-40`	`MOView_ArmorChatSpam:`
`09:57.54`	`CIA-40`	`- Moved from DO to MO for model/view language.`
`09:58.07`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia 07Elsia * r72302 10ModelViews/MOView_ArmoredMan/ (. MOView_ArmoredMan.toc):`
`09:58.07`	`CIA-40`	`MOView_ArmoredMan:`
`09:58.07`	`CIA-40`	`- Moved from DO to MO for model/view language.`
`09:58.55`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia 07Elsia * r72303 10ModelViews/MO_Durability/ (DO_Durability.toc DurabilityDO.lua):`
`09:58.55`	`CIA-40`	`MO_Durability:`
`09:58.55`	`CIA-40`	`- Removed DOs.`
`09:59.37`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia 07Elsia * r72304 10ModelViews/MOView_ArmorChatSpam/DODisp_ArmorChatSpam.toc:`
`09:59.37`	`CIA-40`	`MOView_ArmorChatSpam:`
`09:59.37`	`CIA-40`	`- Removed DO.`
`10:00.45`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia 07Elsia * r72305 10ModelViews/MOView_ArmoredMan/DODisp_ArmoredMan.toc:`
`10:00.45`	`CIA-40`	`MOView_ArmoredMan:`
`10:00.45`	`CIA-40`	`- Removed DO.`
`10:03.24`	`Fisker-`	`FUCK`
`10:03.29`	`Fisker-`	`it evaded in desolace`
`10:05.21`	`vithos`	`which dragon were you kiting?`
`10:05.32`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia 07Elsia * r72306 10ModelViews/MO_ItemValue/:`
`10:05.32`	`CIA-40`	`MO_ItemValue:`
`10:05.32`	`CIA-40`	`- Fixed up svn properties.`
`10:05.45`	`vithos`	`the boss one?`
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`10:06.45`	`irae\|Capullo`	`hiho`
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`10:07.15`	`Fisker-`	`vithos no a warden of time :D`
`10:07.27`	`irae\|Capullo`	`somebody else problems with autobar?`
`10:07.41`	`Fisker-`	`for some reason it kept following my orphan after the whole roleplay part with the dragon`
`10:08.47`	`vithos`	`oh`
`10:08.50`	`vithos`	`a friendly one`
`10:08.55`	`vithos`	`or what`
`10:09.16`	`vithos`	`irae\|Capullo: what problems?`
`10:09.29`	`irae\|Capullo`	`hanging loadingscreen`
`10:09.39`	`vithos`	`not i`
`10:09.47`	`Fisker-`	`yeah vithos`
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`10:09.50`	`irae\|Capullo`	`i deleted the wtf-files, same problems`
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`10:10.03`	`vithos`	`you have the latest version?`
`10:10.09`	`irae\|Capullo`	`of course :P`
`10:10.16`	`vithos`	`me too`
`10:10.21`	`vithos`	`what kind of hang?`
`10:10.27`	`Fisker-`	`http://i32.tinypic.com/ml75hf.jpg`
`10:10.28`	`Fisker-`	`;_;`
`10:10.35`	`irae\|Capullo`	`kill -9 wow.exe :)`
`10:10.41`	`irae\|Capullo`	`such a hang`
`10:11.09`	`vithos`	`is wow's process showing activity when it happens?`
`10:11.09`	`irae\|Capullo`	`loadingbar is finished`
`10:11.24`	`irae\|Capullo`	`just a moment, let me see`
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`10:11.48`	`vithos`	`although the world might be loaded somewhat anyway by then`
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`10:12.10`	`irae\|Capullo`	`i took a shower while login :P`
`10:12.24`	`Snago`	`irae\|Capullo: Tried deleting the cache?`
`10:12.26`	`irae\|Capullo`	`when i came back, i still had the loadingscreen`
`10:12.30`	`irae\|Capullo`	`yes, i did`
`10:12.38`	`CIA-40`	`03lilsparky 07lilsparky * r72307 10Skillet/Skillet.lua:`
`10:12.38`	`CIA-40`	`Skillet/lilsparky:`
`10:12.38`	`CIA-40`	`-fixed uninitialized inventory scan bug`
`10:12.50`	`Snago`	`It still happens witout addons?`
`10:13.27`	`vhaarr`	`http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080429.html`
`10:13.29`	`irae\|Capullo`	`50% cpu, wow uses 1 core`
`10:14.13`	`what-K`	`lf goldwhisper antispam addon can someone help me ?`
`10:15.14`	`nevcairiel`	`what-K: BadBoy`
`10:15.22`	`what-K`	`thx`
`10:15.46`	`irae\|Capullo`	`i use the updater without externals`
`10:16.14`	`vithos`	`irae\|Capullo: try with only autobar enabled, and nothing else?`
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`10:21.01`	`CIA-40`	`03polleke * r72308 10LibResComm-1.0/LibResComm-1.0.lua:`
`10:21.01`	`CIA-40`	`LibResComm-1.0:`
`10:21.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Druids are ressers too`
`10:21.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Removed RESYES. SUCCEEDED is RESNO now`
`10:21.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Removed succesfull from ResComm_ResStop`
`10:21.02`	`CIA-40`	`- Renamed ResComm_ResStop to ResComm_ResEnd`
`10:22.27`	`irae\|Capullo`	`i enabled now only autobar and the required libs`
`10:22.41`	`irae\|Capullo`	`still hangs :P`
`10:22.48`	`irae\|Capullo`	`but not in the loadingscreen`
`10:23.36`	`Polleke`	`vhaarr, the use for RESYES is for people without an addon sending RESSED`
`10:25.32`	`vithos`	`irae\|Capullo: dunno what else to check. what locale are you using?`
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`10:26.14`	`irae\|Capullo`	`enGB`
`10:27.07`	`irae\|Capullo`	`hmm, only on my main char`
`10:27.38`	`vithos`	`try backing up your entire WTF folder?`
`10:27.44`	`vithos`	`not just autobar's SVs`
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`10:33.24`	`CIA-40`	`03scorpio0920 * r72309 10DrDamage/Locales/DrDamage-zhTW.lua:`
`10:33.24`	`CIA-40`	`DrDamage:`
`10:33.24`	`CIA-40`	`- Update zhTW localization.`
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`10:34.52`	`irae\|Capullo`	`there must be something in the config.wtf`
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`10:40.59`	`Gelo`	`wip (v2.2?) -> http://vidgy.uni.cc/imgup/1209636274.jpg`
`10:41.09`	`Gelo`	`is it getting messy?`
`10:42.00`	`syeren`	`Get rid of Tauren Blah Blah.`
`10:42.53`	`Groktar`	`i just got gkicked`
`10:42.54`	`syeren`	`Other than that, it's quite pretty.`
`10:42.54`	`Groktar`	`:(`
`10:42.59`	`Groktar`	`want story?`
`10:43.08`	`Groktar`	`gm is korean`
`10:43.23`	`Groktar`	`so on the guild forums i set his rank to "Korean Cuisine"`
`10:43.27`	`Groktar`	`and make his avatar a beagle`
`10:43.28`	`Groktar`	`:D`
`10:44.11`	`vhaarr`	`and he kicked you for that?`
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`10:44.40`	`Groktar`	`http://www.guild-impulse.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2`
`10:44.41`	`vhaarr`	`can't be a very serious guild then`
`10:44.43`	`Groktar`	`i get kicked a lot`
`10:44.44`	`Groktar`	`:(`
`10:44.53`	`Groktar`	`that's the avatar/rank tho`
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`10:55.55`	`syeren`	`Oter than that Gelo it's pretty.`
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`10:59.27`	`Gelo`	`saw when you wrote it the first time :)`
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`11:01.43`	`CIA-40`	`03totalpackage * r72310 10Capping/ (8 files in 2 dirs):`
`11:01.43`	`CIA-40`	`Capping:`
`11:01.43`	`CIA-40`	`- improved mover for the world state info and added a mover for capture bars`
`11:01.43`	`CIA-40`	`- cleaned up localizations, removed unnecessary descriptions`
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`11:04.51`	`Orionshock`	`ok.. when did chatter start outputting to sink lib the lines with the player name in it??`
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`11:07.12`	`Polleke`	`pastamancer, ping`
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`11:14.04`	`vithos`	`wtf.`
`11:14.20`	`vithos`	`http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/april/s4w_waraxe.jpg seems retarded`
`11:14.30`	`vithos`	`compared to the s3 waraxe http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34014`
`11:14.54`	`vithos`	`and you can't even use two of them`
`11:16.06`	`vithos`	`it has less of everything except hit. if you're pvp specced and wearing full s3, you're over the hit cap.`
`11:16.19`	`vithos`	`boggles`
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`11:28.19`	`what-K`	`nevcairiel Badbay doesnt work with xperl :(`
`11:28.47`	`nevcairiel`	`isnt xperl a unit frame? what does a spam thing have to do with unit frames?`
`11:29.14`	`what-K`	`i get always an error :(`
`11:29.28`	`what-K`	`when i right click on the unitframes`
`11:29.40`	`what-K`	`when i delte badboy all is fine again`
`11:29.53`	`Groktar`	`taint?`
`11:32.04`	`what-K`	`any ideas ?`
`11:32.36`	`CIA-40`	`03ascalia * r72311 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Engineer.lua:`
`11:32.36`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`11:32.36`	`CIA-40`	`- removed duplicate entry`
`11:32.36`	`CIA-40`	`- sorted some entries correctly`
`11:32.36`	`CIA-40`	`- removed double spaces`
`11:37.45`	`what-K`	`or u know another anti gold spammer addon ?`
`11:38.14`	`Groktar`	`spamsentry`
`11:38.21`	`Groktar`	`i think is what i have?`
`11:38.29`	`what-K`	`so idea`
`11:38.31`	`what-K`	`:D`
`11:38.46`	`what-K`	`i used taggle but i gat spams`
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`11:43.40`	`ramoz`	`What does it mean when some of the quest have a green background in TourGuide?`
`11:44.30`	`Zeksie`	`i'll look at badbay and see what the error is about`
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`11:46.46`	`Zeksie`	`no i won't. can't find it anywhere.`
`11:47.09`	`Zeksie`	`unless he meany badboy..`
`11:47.55`	`what-K`	`Zeksie sry my english is not so good`
`11:48.05`	`what-K`	`it gave an error ?`
`11:48.11`	`what-K`	`or what u mean ?`
`11:48.22`	`vhaarr`	`you germans have to stop dubbing all the TV shows`
`11:48.28`	`vhaarr`	`then perhaps your english would be a bit better`
`11:48.51`	`what-K`	`no :D`
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`11:49.17`	`what-K`	`my english grade is a 2 but i cant write itm so good`
`11:49.28`	`nevcairiel`	`only watches tv shows in english`
`11:49.29`	`Groktar`	`find less gay sounding germans to do the voiceovers, too`
`11:49.40`	`vhaarr`	`what-K: which means that it's too easy to get good grades then`
`11:49.42`	`Zeksie`	`nah. i mean i'm checking it now`
`11:49.52`	`what-K`	`no`
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`11:50.02`	`nevcairiel`	`vhaarr: or you are still in some low grade =P`
`11:50.11`	`vhaarr`	`right :p`
`11:50.12`	`what-K`	`im 24 and study bwl`
`11:50.17`	`nevcairiel`	`typical`
`11:50.25`	`what-K`	`so its all ok whith me and my english`
`11:50.32`	`what-K`	`with`
`11:50.41`	`CIA-40`	`03lockhead * r72312 10Goldicola/ (Core.lua Goldicola.toc):`
`11:50.41`	`CIA-40`	`Goldicola: Added random "drunkard" text messages`
`11:50.41`	`CIA-40`	`Goldicola: Added special lvl up announcement for lvl 70`
`11:50.41`	`CIA-40`	`Goldicola: Modified TOC entrys`
`11:51.13`	`Zeksie`	`what-K: ok. i have X-Perl and Badboy running, with no errors. what do you do to get the error?`
`11:51.30`	`what-K`	`mom i make a picture`
`11:52.34`	`Matrix110`	`hmmm`
`11:52.52`	`Matrix110`	`TomTom should be able to display Routes waypoints or?`
`11:53.04`	`Zeksie`	`i think that's not implemented yet`
`11:53.10`	`Matrix110`	`:-(`
`11:53.50`	`clad\|away`	`TomTom should work fine with routes,`
`11:53.53`	`clad\|away`	`as far as I understand`
`11:54.17`	`Matrix110`	`doesnt here atleast`
`11:54.42`	`what-K`	`Zeksie its ok i have installed badboy new and now it will work`
`11:54.51`	`cladhaire`	`ping Xinhuan then`
`11:55.08`	`Xinhuan`	`i haven't added in the necessary modules yet`
`11:55.10`	`Zeksie`	`ok.`
`11:55.15`	`cladhaire`	`ah okay`
`11:55.26`	`Xinhuan`	`cladhaire, is your beta version d/lable as non-beta now?`
`11:55.34`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`11:55.53`	`Xinhuan`	`i finally finished my uni project yesterday`
`11:56.00`	`Xinhuan`	`so shoudl be able to do something next few days`
`11:56.22`	`Xinhuan`	`i spent yesterday fixing Omen bugs :)`
`11:59.01`	`CIA-40`	`03belazor * r72313 10/branches/Cryolysis3/ (17 files in 15 dirs):`
`11:59.01`	`CIA-40`	`Cryolysis3:`
`11:59.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Removed need to localize Hearthstone`
`11:59.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Added option for Silent Mode (hiding AddOn information messages)`
`11:59.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Shifted class module loading message to core file since it's uniform`
`12:00.51`	`what-K`	`must i do anything for badboy or it work so ?`
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`12:02.57`	`Xinhuan`	`nope`
`12:03.00`	`Xinhuan`	`its not even configurable`
`12:03.26`	`Zhinjio`	`G"morning, folks.`
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`12:06.14`	`Groktar`	`hai`
`12:06.18`	`Groktar`	`i just saw nastiest video`
`12:06.28`	`Groktar`	`http://www.break.com/index/trapped-in-an-elevator-with-diarrhea.html`
`12:06.35`	`Groktar`	`everything you need to know in title`
`12:08.42`	`Yasuo`	`hi`
`12:09.11`	`Yasuo`	`my enchantlister does not work anymore, ,any1 has the same problem?`
`12:09.21`	`Zhinjio`	`Xinhuan: I have another theory question for you!`
`12:09.26`	`Xinhuan`	`ya`
`12:09.46`	`Zhinjio`	`Long ago we had a discussion about the security piece in SKG`
`12:10.08`	`Zhinjio`	`like... how to tell who could, and could not do some of the higher order functions`
`12:10.17`	`Yasuo`	`was is enchantrix oder enchantlist wich provides the !enchant command?`
`12:10.18`	`Zhinjio`	`(manage lists, manage loot events, etc)`
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`12:10.35`	`Zhinjio`	`Yasuo: enchantlit`
`12:10.36`	`Zhinjio`	`list`
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`12:10.52`	`Zhinjio`	`what I decided on is this:`
`12:11.00`	`Zhinjio`	`by default you have no permissions to do anything.`
`12:11.17`	`Zhinjio`	`if you are the Guild leader, you have full rights to do anything`
`12:11.19`	`Zhinjio`	`AND:`
`12:11.25`	`Zhinjio`	`you can push out a "security policy"`
`12:11.59`	`Zhinjio`	`if you happen to be logged in, and running SKG when the security policy is pushed, your client will analyze the policy to see whether it changes YOUR rights`
`12:12.15`	`Zhinjio`	`and if it does, it will save a packet locally that changes the security when login.`
`12:12.48`	`Zhinjio`	`anytime a new policy is pushed and you happen to be logged in, it has the potential to change your policy back to NOTHING again (which clears out the security string)`
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`12:13.04`	`Yasuo`	`hmm i have craftlist2 installed`
`12:13.09`	`Zhinjio`	`now ... I want to obfuscate that string a little bit`
`12:13.33`	`Zhinjio`	`I don't want it to just be SKGSECURITY_LEVEL="Admin" in the SV file.`
`12:13.35`	`Zhinjio`	`thats too easy`
`12:14.10`	`Zhinjio`	`I don't need hard encryption, but something that requires a bit of calculation and removes it from 90% of the people out there is good enough`
`12:14.14`	`Zhinjio`	`so ... any thoughts?`
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`12:18.31`	`Polleke`	`Zhinjio, look at that updater for the sunwell island progress. It has an implentation of md5 in lua`
`12:19.08`	`Apoco`	`Orionshock: Pong`
`12:19.22`	`Zhinjio`	`Polleke: yeah, I've looked at that before. I think thats probably a bit bulky for my needs.`
`12:19.30`	`[Ammo]`	`rot13`
`12:19.31`	`[Ammo]`	`:)`
`12:19.34`	`Orionshock`	`RBM2, can we get a key click for announce to raid?`
`12:19.51`	`Zhinjio`	`I was considering using a timestamp, and XORing it with the data packet or something.`
`12:20.15`	`Apoco`	`key click?`
`12:20.24`	`Orionshock`	`*mouse click`
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`12:20.57`	`Apoco`	`mouse click to announce what to raid?`
`12:22.04`	`Orionshock`	`the bars, say i control click on the bar it annouces the bar to raid chat?`
`12:22.08`	`Apoco`	`oh`
`12:22.15`	`Apoco`	`you can shift click them now`
`12:22.19`	`Apoco`	`to do that`
`12:22.23`	`Orionshock`	`ah`
`12:22.31`	`Apoco`	`though I admit, the message is rather...odd`
`12:22.41`	`Apoco`	`its Kameral's doing. I need to change it.`
`12:23.46`	`Apoco`	`its like <Bar> has <secs>out of <secs> left for <percentleft> of <100%> and <time remaining>`
`12:23.49`	`Apoco`	`or something wierd`
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`12:39.05`	`Orionshock`	`Apoco: ya that's fked`
`12:39.18`	`Apoco`	`yeah I know`
`12:39.24`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`12:39.39`	`Apoco`	`again thats Kameral's code not mine lol`
`12:39.48`	`Apoco`	`I'll add in an option to customize it today prolly.`
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`12:59.55`	`Hjalte`	`Elsia: On the forum, that Quaz guy, who reports him doing 2 million damage on his own meter but 6 million on a mates, could be the same bug I've been having with missing people. When people dissappear on my meter, they of course also get a lower overall damage, because they are missing on some fights.`
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`13:00.41`	`CIA-40`	`AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:`
`13:00.41`	`CIA-40`	`- Arena Season 4 update`
`13:00.53`	`Elsia`	`hmm could be, I wish people whould send me their combatlogs and WWS parses along with screenshots, it'`
`13:01.01`	`Elsia`	`s really hard to debug this with hardly any data`
`13:01.15`	`Hjalte`	`Elsia: It also fits with my theory of it being a bug that applies to when several people are using Recount, seeing as both him and his mate were using Recount.`
`13:02.08`	`Elsia`	`well the information i'm missing is under what conditions this happens, currently I simply have just a set of symptoms that are too broad to narrow it down`
`13:02.51`	`Elsia`	`this can be sync, or sync combined with combatant creation or sync combined with fight segmentation or actually not sync but when combatants appear and hpow they are flagged etc etc`
`13:02.54`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr are you on top of this LibResComm?`
`13:02.58`	`Elsia`	`too many possible causes`
`13:03.18`	`Vulcanus`	`investigate them all!`
`13:03.29`	`Elsia`	`gief haystack ;)`
`13:03.30`	`Vulcanus`	`Gurok tink addon no work. Gurok say you fix.`
`13:03.36`	`Hjalte`	`Elsia: I wish there was more I could do :) If I have problems tonight, and I'm in the raid, I can provide you with a WWS report and whatever data you want from my recount.`
`13:03.52`	`Elsia`	`that'd be cool`
`13:04.27`	`Vulcanus`	`Haystack stack = new Haystack();`
`13:04.29`	`Vulcanus`	`there you go`
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`13:07.19`	`Hjalte`	`Elsia: What specifically are you looking at wanting? Something like a window of the damage, the options window and then a WWS report, where the missing members are shown?`
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`13:09.11`	`Elsia`	`well ideally I want (1) the combat log of at least one raid member, (2) screenshots that show the missing bar stat (damage, healing etc) and if possible also a shot of the details of someone who missed data. Finally if anyone ever hit the reset data button mid-raid, that's good to know too.`
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`13:10.16`	`Delorala`	`hmmm`
`13:10.24`	`Delorala`	`antiarc is probably afk`
`13:10.46`	`Delorala`	`but i'm sure somebody else can explain me smthing about omen`
`13:10.49`	`Delorala`	`AOE mode`
`13:10.56`	`Delorala`	`what is it good for?`
`13:11.28`	`Delorala`	`when i put raid markers on the targets, i see my own aggro in AOE mode, but what should that help me if i dont see the tanks aggro?`
`13:11.47`	`Delorala`	`wouldnt it be better if AOE mode would show the difference in Thread compared to the tank?`
`13:11.49`	`nevcairiel`	`you see the percentage relative to the tank`
`13:12.05`	`Delorala`	`like a redbar if youre above tank, green when you are save?`
`13:12.08`	`Delorala`	`hmm`
`13:12.17`	`Fisker-`	`obvious trolls nevcairiel`
`13:12.18`	`Fisker-`	`owned`
`13:12.20`	`Delorala`	`i see like "17k" which is my own thread`
`13:13.40`	`Delorala`	`i'll give it a second look, but well... that modes are... well.... user unfriendly i'd say ;=O`
`13:13.43`	`Hjalte`	`Delorala: If you have above 130% threat on any target, it will likely come to you.`
`13:13.54`	`puggy`	`you get anything in AoE mode at all? I still get nothing`
`13:14.15`	`Hjalte`	`AOE mode works fine to me. Make sure your tanks are using Omen and that they have updated versions, puggy.`
`13:14.35`	`puggy`	`yeah, we update every raid, when did it start working?`
`13:14.44`	`puggy`	`I may not have tried it for a few days or so`
`13:14.54`	`Hjalte`	`At least a few weeks back.`
`13:15.05`	`Delorala`	`puggy u have to set raid markers`
`13:15.12`	`Delorala`	`then it works`
`13:15.21`	`Hjalte`	`Raid Markers aren't needed, at least not at me.`
`13:15.22`	`Delorala`	`but i still struggle to get what it tells me`
`13:15.22`	`puggy`	`hmm, I will get a mage to come with me and try it on some trash with definitely most recent omen`
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`13:16.06`	`Hjalte`	`Delorala: Look at the bars, and just remember that you will pull aggro when you're above 130% of the tank. That's when the bar is very long and very red :)`
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`13:16.40`	`Delorala`	`hjalte i raid t6 as a prot pala, dont have to tell me such things`
`13:16.51`	`Delorala`	`its just that aoe mode is ... fail^^`
`13:16.54`	`Delorala`	`no its probably not`
`13:17.00`	`Delorala`	`but nobody understands it`
`13:17.06`	`Hjalte`	`Delorala: Ah, well, my mate who's also a protection paladin likes AOE mode.`
`13:18.22`	`puggy`	`it only works with markers?`
`13:18.38`	`Delorala`	`right`
`13:18.43`	`Delorala`	`marked mobs show up`
`13:18.59`	`puggy`	`is that by design or the wow interface?`
`13:19.07`	`Delorala`	`hjalte, i'm in kara right now with my hunter, i'll try to figure it out`
`13:19.41`	`Delorala`	`but there is just: Name xx k and as third a nuber without %-sign or something`
`13:19.47`	`Delorala`	`just a number...`
`13:19.53`	`Delorala`	`what does that number tell me?`
`13:21.07`	`Silverstorm`	`that number is the percentage of the tank's threat, I believe`
`13:21.28`	`Silverstorm`	`I use it in Hyjal all the time (Affliction warlock <3 seed of corruption)`
`13:21.43`	`Hjalte`	`Delorala: It only really shines if you have threat on several targets :)`
`13:21.54`	`Delorala`	`thats clear`
`13:23.10`	`Delorala`	`maybe its just me beeing stupid (and youll all say yes...) but that number shows up without percent`
`13:23.23`	`Delorala`	`which is quite confusing if you have no clue what it says at all`
`13:23.40`	`Delorala`	`thats probably why so few people use it`
`13:26.26`	`Silverstorm`	`I would agree that's slightly confusing, but once I know it's a percent...I don't need 10 percent signs lined up in a row :-p`
`13:28.19`	`Delorala`	`agreed`
`13:28.27`	`Delorala`	`ok, now percentage is clear`
`13:28.36`	`Delorala`	`the other number shows thread, right`
`13:28.38`	`Delorala`	`like 10k`
`13:28.46`	`Delorala`	`that's i have 10k`
`13:28.48`	`Silverstorm`	`I don't have it active now...is there a "%" at the top of the column?`
`13:28.59`	`Silverstorm`	`Yes, that should be the actual amount of threat you have on the target`
`13:29.01`	`Delorala`	`why doesnt it show difference between me and tank as xk?`
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`13:29.11`	`Delorala`	`that would be more usefull`
`13:29.48`	`Silverstorm`	`I'm sure that could be an option, it would be an easy calculation since you have your threat and the tank's threat available, but the view isn't set that way right now`
`13:30.09`	`Silverstorm`	`I would put that recommendation in the Wowace forums on the Omen2 thread`
`13:31.06`	`Delorala`	`ill probably do that later ;D`
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`13:31.48`	`Donra`	`is there anyone on here that can post on the us forums?`
`13:32.15`	`odt`	`how do i check which addon is leaking?`
`13:32.27`	`odt`	`when looking at memory stats, aloft is at the top with 7MB, but it doesnt incrase`
`13:32.36`	`odt`	`whereas memory usage goes up from 38 to 62`
`13:32.50`	`odt`	`no recount or other data collecting addon i know is enabled`
`13:33.06`	`Silverstorm`	`odt: there should be other addons that are increasing. What mod are you using to view those stats?`
`13:33.15`	`odt`	`the fubar thingy`
`13:33.17`	`odt`	`performancefu`
`13:33.18`	`puggy`	`I'm trying to configure pitbull, and am happy with it, other than on one point. I wanted to set up 2 profiles, one for healing and one for tanking.`
`13:33.33`	`Silverstorm`	`ok, there's an option to increase the number of addons it shows in the menu`
`13:33.57`	`odt`	`ill try if i can see something more there`
`13:34.15`	`puggy`	`but it saves what the bars looke like for each profile, but the the layout and positioning, on screen. Am I doing something wrong?`
`13:34.26`	`Silverstorm`	`There's also an option called "Sort addons by", with a sub-option called "Memory since garbage collection" That's probbaly what you want`
`13:34.52`	`puggy`	`even if I save 2 different "raid->Layouts" and assign one to each profile it does nothing other than adjust text and bar height etc.`
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`13:35.03`	`puggy`	`and it forgets which is assigned to which profile anyway`
`13:35.12`	`silentium`	`odt: are you running with libraries embedded or disembedded? with embedded, Aloft probably gets blamed for all the libraries it uses since it's first in the alphabetically sorted list`
`13:35.44`	`Silverstorm`	`silentium: that's true, but Aloft isn't increasing, so something else probably is`
`13:35.55`	`silentium`	`aye`
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`13:41.28`	`odt`	`i reloaded, and put a new sorting order in and more addons, will check in an hour`
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`13:45.49`	`Donra`	`ok, I'll go post on the eu forum and give you the link :)`
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`13:48.39`	`puggy`	`Meh, I give up, I dont think frame positioning can be a part of seperate profiles`
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`13:50.44`	`CIA-40`	`03toadkiller * r72316 10LibPeriodicTable-3.1/ (2 files in 2 dirs):`
`13:50.44`	`CIA-40`	`LibPeriodicTable-3.1:`
`13:50.44`	`CIA-40`	`-- X-51 Nether-Rocket & X-TREME X-51 35225:60, 35226:280`
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`13:52.20`	`Zhinjio`	`~seen toadkiller`
`13:52.38`	`purl`	`toadkiller <n=dnester@adsl-75-30-187-161.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 12h 30m 54s ago, saying: 'Orionshock: "A Magnanimous Benefactor" Anchorite Kairthos'.`
`13:52.46`	`Zhinjio`	`blah`
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`14:19.17`	`ckknight`	`lulz`
`14:19.44`	`Zhinjio`	`G"morning, ck`
`14:19.49`	`Kolie`	`hi Zhinjio`
`14:19.52`	`ckknight`	`hey Zhinjio`
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`14:20.57`	`Zhinjio`	`G'morning, Kolie`
`14:22.04`	`CIA-40`	`03belazor * r72317 10/branches/Cryolysis3/ (5 files in 4 dirs):`
`14:22.04`	`CIA-40`	`Cryolysis3:`
`14:22.05`	`CIA-40`	`- Button attribute and texture setting now works`
`14:22.06`	`DarkElf`	`http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/05/01/season-4-items-unveiled/`
`14:22.41`	`gregor1`	`o hai everyone :)`
`14:23.20`	`gregor1`	`i need suggestion; i'm looking for an addon that would show me all CC's from mobs, that party members or myself put spells on them`
`14:23.59`	`gregor1`	`like, if partyplayer2 used polymorph on mob, it will show the timer bar for that mob, or if lock also gave SoC on him etc etc`
`14:24.53`	`gregor1`	`i've tried NECB & Cooldown timers, Ash cooldowns.. none of them shows something like that`
`14:24.57`	`nevcairiel`	`SoC is a CC?`
`14:26.03`	`durcyn`	`eh, i've got something like that in Omniscience, but i really wouldn't recommend it for general use yet`
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`14:29.27`	`AckisWork`	`good morning`
`14:29.51`	`Vulcanus`	`hahaha opening 3 different sets of full mailboxes got ArkInventory to use +27MB of memory`
`14:30.04`	`gregor1`	`no nevcairiel, it's not,...`
`14:30.13`	`gregor1`	`but i would like to see that too`
`14:30.18`	`gregor1`	`you know, dots, cc,... stuff like that`
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`14:30.38`	`Vulcanus`	`ok time to switch from arkinventory, its now crashing my game due to a mem leak lol`
`14:31.20`	`chiper`	`hah, blizzard is putting a stop to arena rating boosters`
`14:31.20`	`kagaro`	`Elsia: ping`
`14:31.24`	`Vulcanus`	`"memory allocation error: block too big" :(`
`14:31.27`	`Elsia`	`pong`
`14:31.28`	`Silverstorm`	`gregor1: the Ash set of mods can do that, but only if everyone's running them, and they have AshCommunication on...it was written well before the new combat log, so it can't do that`
`14:31.29`	`chiper`	`"If a characterâs personal rating is more than 150 points below the team rating, they will earn points based on their personal rating instead of the team rating."`
`14:31.49`	`kagaro`	`I added a response`
`14:32.17`	`Elsia`	`saw, I'm still thinking of how to implement a sketch of a controller`
`14:33.32`	`CIA-40`	`03Gothwin * r72318 10BigWigs_TwinsSay/BigWigs_TwinsSay.lua: BigWigs_TwinsSay: - Hopefully fixed mod auto-reset after reaching phase 2. Mod would reverse warnings after reaching phase 2 and wiping.`
`14:34.19`	`CIA-40`	`03parnic * r72319 10IceHUD/modules/SliceAndDice.lua:`
`14:34.19`	`CIA-40`	`IceHUD:`
`14:34.19`	`CIA-40`	`- fix equip locs for non-english clients`
`14:34.33`	`puggy`	`does anyone know if the positioning of unitframes in pitbull is per profile? I dont think it possibly can be.`
`14:34.33`	`CIA-40`	`03durcyn 07Ace3 * r72320 10Hourglass/core.lua: fix syntax screwup, blah.`
`14:34.47`	`ckknight`	`yes, it is`
`14:34.56`	`ckknight`	`you may have to reload on profile switches, though`
`14:34.59`	`chiper`	`puggy: yes it is`
`14:35.05`	`gregor1`	`Silverstorm: thank you for your info`
`14:35.10`	`puggy`	`I have to reloadui?`
`14:35.17`	`gregor1`	`any other addon that does the same thing perhaps?`
`14:35.32`	`puggy`	`or is there a reloadpitbull command?`
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`14:35.50`	`chiper`	`you know what I'd like to see in pitbull? a unit frame for the entire raid`
`14:35.52`	`Silverstorm`	`gregor1: np, I suspect we'll see something like that relatively soon, once all the "necessary" mods are updated to 2.4 and people have time to start new projects`
`14:36.10`	`chiper`	`a summed visual of health and mana`
`14:36.39`	`chiper`	`I know there's other addons that do this, but I'd like the flexibility pitbull would give me in it's appearance`
`14:36.41`	`gregor1`	`gotcha. well.. i'm not sure, but i thought NECB was doing the exact thing i'm looking for pre-2.4, so was Ash-*`
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`14:37.13`	`CIA-40`	`03StiviS * r72321 10AckisRecipeList/ (AckisRecipeList.toc Locals/ARLLocals-esES.lua):`
`14:37.13`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`14:37.14`	`CIA-40`	`- esES added`
`14:37.24`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik] by ChanServ`
`14:37.42`	`Silverstorm`	`don't know about NECB, never used it...far too bloated for my tastes, but I know Ash* would only do it if everyone ran it, and had the Communication module turned on, which caused a lot of comm spam, so people turned it off`
`14:37.44`	`DarkElf`	`http://wow.qj.net/Select-European-WoW-battlegroups-get-credit-compensation-for-downtime/pg/49/aid/117979 -thinks they should give all users an extra day since its down 8 hours 4 times a month for 32 hours which is more than 1 day`
`14:38.35`	`CIA-40`	`03rabbit * r72322 10MobNotes/MobNotes.lua: MobNotes: Add more Karazhan trash, courtesy of Grainger.`
`14:38.46`	`puggy`	`thanks god, reloading the ui changes it. Was having a hard time figuring out why that wasn't working`
`14:38.52`	`puggy`	`thank*`
`14:38.59`	`puggy`	`well, thanks ckknight I guess really. :-)`
`14:39.16`	`ckknight`	`yea, that's kind of a bug`
`14:39.34`	`puggy`	`confused the hell out of me`
`14:39.55`	`chiper`	`leaves for work`
`14:40.13`	`gregor1`	`well.. ty for you help :) cya all`
`14:40.23`	`puggy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:40.28`	`puggy`	`to fix that`
`14:40.31`	`Lopen\|Wooork`	`can chatter or any other chat mob move the chat tabs below the chat frame?`
`14:40.39`	`Lopen\|Wooork`	`*mod`
`14:44.08`	`ckknight`	`puggy: that's what _should_ happen, if we were to live in a perfect world where addons were more important than purchasing groceries`
`14:44.21`	`Tinyboom`	`anyone here tried wow on a osx86 leopard install? keeps crashing for some reason:p`
`14:44.32`	`puggy`	`I can live with reloading ui. No starving for you. :-)`
`14:44.47`	`puggy`	`Tinyboom: yeah, on one right now`
`14:45.07`	`puggy`	`MacPro, seems to work fine.`
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`14:45.13`	`puggy`	`and on my powerbook`
`14:45.19`	`puggy`	`macbookpro even`
`14:45.28`	`Tinyboom`	`this is not a mac:p hackintosh....`
`14:45.34`	`ckknight`	`Tinyboom: that's how I play`
`14:45.39`	`ckknight`	`oh, on a real mac, though`
`14:45.40`	`Gothwin`	`any bigwigs guys available for a bit of help?`
`14:45.44`	`puggy`	`oh, haven't tried that.`
`14:45.57`	`Tinyboom`	`installed leopard on my computer for fun, and because i could:p now to get wow working`
`14:46.00`	`puggy`	`want to though, wish I could have afforder a Mac Pro for home gaming.`
`14:46.14`	`puggy`	`stupid windows box`
`14:46.29`	`Julith`	`does anyone know where the mouse-over-highlighting comes from in grid?`
`14:46.34`	`Gothwin`	`I have an extra mod I created which isn't resetting correctly on wipe`
`14:46.48`	`Tinyboom`	`my vista works fine, was just bored :p`
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`14:51.12`	`pastamancer`	`Julith: GridFrame.lua line 221`
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`14:51.57`	`Julith`	`ah! thanks pasta!`
`14:52.32`	`pastamancer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:52.43`	`CIA-40`	`03belazor * r72323 10/branches/Cryolysis3/ (4 files in 2 dirs):`
`14:52.43`	`CIA-40`	`Cryolysis3:`
`14:52.43`	`CIA-40`	`- Mount button created and working.`
`14:57.04`	`AckisWork`	`hmm will esES ~= esMX ?`
`14:58.25`	`durcyn`	`castilian and mexican dialects are dissimilar`
`14:58.31`	`Gagorian`	`esMX.. srsly?`
`14:59.05`	`nevcairiel`	`durcyn: doesnt spain itself have 2-3 dialects ? =P`
`14:59.48`	`Tinyboom`	`is silly..... /faceslap`
`15:00.32`	`Tinyboom`	`good idea to actually not bring the wow windows gfx settings to the mac install:p`
`15:01.03`	`Tinyboom`	`anyone that can point me to the addon that does auto boss movies? ;)`
`15:01.27`	`Matrix110`	`BigWigs_Cinematographer`
`15:01.29`	`Matrix110`	`i think`
`15:01.38`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72324 10AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Engineer.lua:`
`15:01.39`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`15:01.39`	`CIA-40`	`- Use newline constant in engineering`
`15:01.39`	`CIA-40`	`- All dry-coded`
`15:01.53`	`Tinyboom`	`Matrix110: thanks:)`
`15:01.59`	`DarkElf`	`all dry-coded what that mean?`
`15:02.08`	`Matrix110`	`not tested ingame`
`15:02.08`	`Tinyboom`	`not wet coded? :p`
`15:02.15`	`DarkElf`	`ok`
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`15:02.29`	`DarkElf`	`guess i will test it in game in a few then lol`
`15:02.30`	`Matrix110`	`just wrote it and maybe ran it true luac but didnt test if it actually works`
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`15:04.26`	`Tinyboom`	`whats the best addon updater for mac?`
`15:05.27`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72325 10AckisRecipeList/ARLFrame.lua:`
`15:05.27`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`15:05.27`	`CIA-40`	`- Convert some frame stuffz`
`15:05.27`	`CIA-40`	`- Not wet-coded`
`15:05.34`	`AckisWork`	`giggles`
`15:05.43`	`hydrogen`	`OoO`
`15:05.48`	`hydrogen`	`I demand moist coded changes!`
`15:05.49`	`Tinyboom`	`lol`
`15:05.54`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`15:06.47`	`Daemona`	`Ackis the question to start is ... do we need enUS and enGB ? ;)`
`15:07.38`	`DarkElf`	`enUS has like 3 or 4 versions lol`
`15:07.45`	`AckisWork`	`iirc there was discussion that said "yes" because of spelling differences however I don't see it done in practice`
`15:08.00`	`Daemona`	`like Armor and Armour ?`
`15:08.04`	`Daemona`	`...`
`15:08.06`	`AckisWork`	`yup`
`15:08.19`	`DarkElf`	`color - colour, theater - theatre lol`
`15:08.39`	`AckisWork`	`enGB is proper spelling, enUS is bastardized :P`
`15:08.53`	`Elsia`	`wensleydale - cheddar`
`15:08.59`	`Daemona`	`learned Oxford English in school ... like 10 years ago ...`
`15:09.03`	`puggy`	`Tinyboom: was the mac install on x86 difficult?`
`15:09.08`	`Daemona`	`since then my english got irc'd ;)`
`15:09.31`	`puggy`	`and did you manage 64bit?`
`15:10.00`	`Tinyboom`	`puggy: biggest problem was getting it to boot right without the install dvd`
`15:10.07`	`DarkElf`	`bum - butt oh wait thats not same word spelled different lol`
`15:11.13`	`Tinyboom`	`puggy: and yes, i run 64bit afaik`
`15:11.26`	`Tinyboom`	`puggy: could check if i knew where:p`
`15:13.00`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Apoco, you around?`
`15:13.20`	`puggy`	`what was your hardware?`
`15:13.29`	`puggy`	`Tinyboom: ^`
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`15:15.06`	`Tinyboom`	`puggy: Gigabyte P35c DS3R, q6600, 8800gts 320, 8GB ram@1066, dual boot is done with bios boot choice:)`
`15:15.21`	`puggy`	`very similar to me.`
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`15:15.59`	`Tinyboom`	`www.insanelymac.com for info, the iso¨s are somewhere on torrent sites:p`
`15:16.00`	`puggy`	`what instructins did you use?`
`15:16.04`	`NivFreak`	`Vashj down on night 2!`
`15:16.13`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Congrats.`
`15:16.19`	`Tinyboom`	`grats NivFreak:)`
`15:16.23`	`NivFreak`	`she wasn't so bad`
`15:16.29`	`puggy`	`you need special iso or will by MacPro disk do?`
`15:16.44`	`Tinyboom`	`Puggy: special patched iso`
`15:16.53`	`puggy`	`meh, ok, cheers.`
`15:18.21`	`Psycho\|Work`	`NivFreak: Once everyone does their job right in phase 2 it really isn't that rough. Sounds like your group picked up on that pretty fast.`
`15:19.15`	`Tinyboom`	`puggy: Kalyway_10.5.2_DVD_Intel_Amd.iso ;)`
`15:20.42`	`CIA-40`	`03toadkiller * r72326 10AutoBar/AutoBarOptions.lua:`
`15:20.42`	`CIA-40`	`AutoBar :`
`15:20.43`	`CIA-40`	`-- Do not allow empty string for custom names, nor double quote or period`
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`15:21.26`	`puggy`	`Tinyboom: this seems to be a blog about someone buying a hackintosh`
`15:21.33`	`puggy`	`Tinyboom: instead of installing one`
`15:21.42`	`Tinyboom`	`go forum;)`
`15:21.58`	`stew_a`	`wishes his network connection worked on port 80`
`15:22.06`	`NivFreak`	`Psycho\|Work: yea, it took some shifting of people as we figured out what they are able to pull of`
`15:22.29`	`NivFreak`	`but overall not bad`
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`15:22.49`	`Psycho\|Work`	`The biggest problem guilds seem to have is getting enough DPS on striders while still maintaining stair coverage.`
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`15:22.57`	`NivFreak`	`certainly more difficult than anything else we've done so far`
`15:23.02`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Definitely`
`15:23.08`	`Psycho\|Work`	`And probably more difficult than you'll find most of the T6 bosses.`
`15:23.19`	`NivFreak`	`we're working on boss #3 in hyjal sunday, and have Kael left in TK`
`15:23.24`	`puggy`	`our biggest problem was getting enough ranged DPS and healing, suddenly having 4 tanks and a load of melee was a liability`
`15:23.26`	`NivFreak`	`I'm a bit more concerned with Kael...`
`15:23.52`	`NivFreak`	`puggy: We run 5 tanks, we replaced one and had 2 spec for DPS`
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`15:24.19`	`puggy`	`I respecced holy and some people used alts.`
`15:24.23`	`Psycho\|Work`	`NivFreak: The more DPS you can put into the Kael fight, the better. I think we took six healers and three tanks with 16 DPS our first kill.`
`15:24.29`	`puggy`	`sad not to tank at vashj though.`
`15:24.51`	`NivFreak`	`I found our prot pally was the best tank in phase 2`
`15:25.03`	`NivFreak`	`so I stay up (Prot warrior) and he helps pick up naga`
`15:25.21`	`puggy`	`yeah, I reckon it's true, but our warriors couldn't respec holy. :-)`
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`15:25.29`	`NivFreak`	`all ranged on naga, melee on elementals (which sort of sucks) with 1 roaming ranged to help cleanup when cores drop`
`15:25.29`	`puggy`	`and we didn't want any more melee.`
`15:26.37`	`puggy`	`we had ranged on top of stairs taking out elementals with a healer, melee on naga, rest of ranged on striders + the ones around the edge when possible, melee killing any elementals that got through`
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`15:28.35`	`NivFreak`	`AS and a ranged taunt are just fantastic for picking up naga`
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`15:36.53`	`CIA-40`	`03gagorian * r72327 10DrDamage/Melee.lua:`
`15:36.53`	`CIA-40`	`DrDamage:`
`15:36.53`	`CIA-40`	`- Bug fix for melee hit calculation`
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`15:49.01`	`CIA-40`	`03ennuilg * r72328 10scorchio/ (changelog.txt core.lua scorchio.toc):`
`15:49.01`	`CIA-40`	`scorchio:`
`15:49.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Hardcoded setting player as false in the blacklist on start up, to save any confusion.`
`15:49.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Added class check. Scorchio! will now only run on characters who are mages.`
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`15:57.29`	`Psycho\|Work`	`I'm tired of ennuilg discriminating against warlocks who want to run Scorchio and am boycotting his bigoted development practices.`
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`15:58.03`	`Lukian`	`Psycho\|Work, haha.`
`15:58.21`	`Lukian`	`Psycho\|Work, personally I'd prefer it if a few more addons did class checks by default :p`
`15:58.30`	`Lukian`	`and at least suspended themselves, if not disabled.`
`15:59.27`	`Psycho\|Work`	`While we're at it, PallyPower could use better warlock support as well.`
`15:59.37`	`ennuilg`	`He is a she...`
`16:00.00`	`Psycho\|Work`	`I'm sorry for mislabeling her in that case.`
`16:00.09`	`ennuilg`	`She forgives you... :-)`
`16:01.33`	`Tornhoof`	`hehe`
`16:02.06`	`vhaarr`	`that's what I thought the code was unusually tidy for a new author`
`16:02.16`	`ennuilg`	`To be honest, I can see a reason why warlocks might want to run Scorchio! - to see when the mob is mob fire vulnerable to maximise their own DPS... At the moment, the class check is me being lazy, so I don't have to localise one spell name.`
`16:02.29`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Fine, ruin my fun.`
`16:02.32`	`ennuilg`	`I'll be less lazy tomorrow.`
`16:02.55`	`ennuilg`	`vhaarr, "tidy" as in "a girl must have coded this"?`
`16:03.07`	`vhaarr`	`I'm just yanking your chain, but yes, that's what I meant`
`16:03.11`	`Tornhoof`	`localise spell name?`
`16:03.13`	`Vulcanus`	`here, have an englishified class name function: local classname = gsub(UnitClass("player"), "^.", function(s) return s:upper() end)`
`16:03.20`	`nevcairiel`	`vhaarr said something half-nice, mark the day in the calendar :D`
`16:03.22`	`vhaarr`	`ennuilg: you're aware you don't have to localize spells any more, right?`
`16:03.36`	`ennuilg`	`I do in terms of GetTalentInfo...`
`16:03.37`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Also, the "doily" class name was a dead giveaway.`
`16:03.40`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
`16:04.17`	`Daemona`	`hmm already labeled over here, cant do that ... cause its already a national holiday :X`
`16:04.19`	`ennuilg`	`I wonder whether anyone's ever done a study into the readability of code based on programmers' genders...`
`16:04.25`	`vhaarr`	`ennuilg: if you scan for talents, then you do, but if you just want to know the rank of a persons talent, there's no localization needed`
`16:04.53`	`Vulcanus`	`surely there's no point in researching female coders' writing since there's no gurls on the intarwebs`
`16:05.10`	`ennuilg`	`vhaarr, indeed - that's the route I've gone for now - class and location on the talent sheet is good enough. Hence the discrimination.`
`16:05.11`	`nevcairiel`	`all talents have a equivalent entry in GetSpellInfo() as well`
`16:05.13`	`Tornhoof`	`i guess both genders are equally lazy commenting code or using "speaking" method/var names`
`16:05.24`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: really, that's worth remembering`
`16:05.47`	`vhaarr`	`ennuilg: but you don't have to discriminate, the warlock talents are pretty static as well`
`16:06.03`	`nevcairiel`	`like, http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=33890`
`16:06.26`	`vhaarr`	`indeed, nice`
`16:06.26`	`nevcairiel`	`probably because of the hidden buff that applys to you`
`16:06.36`	`ennuilg`	`Tornhoof: Subtle dig? :-)`
`16:06.41`	`vhaarr`	`ah yeah`
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`16:07.06`	`sb`	`mhh ckknight? :o`
`16:07.09`	`Tornhoof`	`no`
`16:07.09`	`vhaarr`	`Vulcanus: wut?`
`16:07.15`	`ckknight`	`sb: yes?`
`16:07.18`	`Tornhoof`	`i just take source code apart for a living`
`16:07.24`	`Tornhoof`	`and i never saw any difference`
`16:07.26`	`ennuilg`	`Phew - because my code is terribly badly commented at the moment.`
`16:07.34`	`vhaarr`	`Vulcanus: local _, enClass = UnitClass(unit), or at least str:gsub("^%l", string.upper)`
`16:07.38`	`Psycho\|Work`	`It's a good thing you don't have to put any of it back together, Tornhoof`
`16:07.39`	`sb`	`ckknight: do you have an idea why libguildpositions doesnt work when running cart3?`
`16:07.42`	`nevcairiel`	`welcome to the club, ennuilg :)`
`16:07.44`	`sb`	`ckknight: works finr with C2`
`16:07.44`	`Psycho\|Work`	`That seems like it would be harder.`
`16:07.53`	`ckknight`	`sb: should work fine as long as the lib actually loads`
`16:08.20`	`sb`	`mh - how to check?`
`16:08.22`	`vhaarr`	`Vulcanus: no need to create a new function every time like gsub(UnitClass("player"), "^.", function(s) return s:upper() end) does`
`16:08.40`	`Tornhoof`	`yes usually i don't need to get the parts working independently ;)`
`16:09.00`	`ckknight`	`sb: add a bit of code to the lua to check if LibGuildPositions runs`
`16:09.19`	`CIA-40`	`03StiviS * r72329 10TradeskillInfoUI/ (TradeskillInfoConfig-esES.lua TradeskillInfoUI-esES.lua):`
`16:09.19`	`CIA-40`	`TradeskillInfoUI:`
`16:09.19`	`CIA-40`	`- esES updated`
`16:09.21`	`sb`	`ckknight: it doesnt even work when Cart2 and Cart3 are active (shows up on C2, but doesnt on C3)`
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`16:09.56`	`Zhinjio`	`sb: don't run both at once.`
`16:10.11`	`sb`	`yea.. i know :)`
`16:10.22`	`sb`	`but thats not the point...`
`16:10.23`	`sb`	`oh wait`
`16:10.36`	`sb`	`na its not`
`16:13.14`	`Apoco`	`Psycho\|Work: Pong?`
`16:13.28`	`stew_a`	`does anyone happen to know an http proxy that doesnt run on port 80?`
`16:14.04`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Apoco! :D`
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`16:14.18`	`Psycho\|Work`	`I submitted a feature request on jira, but I had a question about RBM v1`
`16:14.21`	`Zhinjio`	`Toadkiller: !!`
`16:14.28`	`Zhinjio`	`been hoping you'd show up.`
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`16:14.29`	`Toadkiller`	`sup zhin`
`16:14.47`	`Zhinjio`	`getting some weirdness with AB`
`16:14.55`	`CIA-40`	`03StiviS * r72330 10AutoBar/Locale-esES.lua:`
`16:14.55`	`CIA-40`	`AutoBar :`
`16:14.55`	`CIA-40`	`- esES updated`
`16:14.57`	`Apoco`	`I see it`
`16:15.00`	`Zhinjio`	`specifically:`
`16:15.06`	`CIA-40`	`03toadkiller * r72331 10AutoBar/ (AutoBarCategory.lua AutoBarClassBar.lua):`
`16:15.06`	`CIA-40`	`AutoBar :`
`16:15.06`	`CIA-40`	`-- Cancel Fade while hovering over popups as well.`
`16:15.06`	`Zhinjio`	`when things first load, its all good.`
`16:15.17`	`Apoco`	`thats a good thing?`
`16:15.22`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`16:15.40`	`Zhinjio`	`when I got into combat the first time, some of the buttons acquire a black overlay or something ... presumably indicating I can't touch them when in combat`
`16:15.48`	`Psycho\|Work`	`:) good. Last night we did RoS and I noticed that the Deaden timer wasn't re-appearing after each deaden cast. I figured I'd ask you here if there was a common configuration error I could've made that would cause that before I submitted a bug report over it.`
`16:16.12`	`Apoco`	`It should reappear if the initial timer shows`
`16:16.26`	`Apoco`	`if it doesnt, put in a bug report`
`16:16.28`	`Zhinjio`	`after combat, if I hover over a button that has a popout... the "origin" button for the popout will still have that black overlay, obscuring what is beneath it`
`16:16.43`	`Apoco`	`as for your current feature request, try Sticky Bars in branches`
`16:16.45`	`Zhinjio`	`the popout buttons themslves are fine`
`16:16.47`	`Apoco`	`it may do what you are asking.`
`16:16.52`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Great, thank you.`
`16:16.57`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Also, I'm not sure you even care about v1 bug reports since you're getting v2 out as a priority. Should I bother? It's not a deal-breaker and as long as it works in v2 I'll be fine.`
`16:17.08`	`Toadkiller`	`zhin, there was an error in the some of the texture code. Can you get it to happen on the latest version?`
`16:17.12`	`Apoco`	`well if its broke in v1, chances are its not doing it in v2`
`16:17.18`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Right on, I'll get that up`
`16:17.22`	`Zhinjio`	`lemme refresh, and I'll try again...`
`16:17.23`	`Apoco`	`I've done a lot of bug fixes in v2 but I dont think I've changed RoS`
`16:17.52`	`Apoco`	`Sticky Bars keeps all the bars active when you cast a debuff/buff and change targets`
`16:17.59`	`Toadkiller`	`The other possibility is I messed up the spellid for GetSpellInfo (assuming its a spell button)`
`16:18.00`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Oh, fantastic! That's exactly what I wanted.`
`16:18.14`	`Apoco`	`though for myself I hate it (Hunter's Mark) most debuffs wont be that big of an issue`
`16:18.16`	`Zhinjio`	`I don't believe itws spell buttons in particular, but I'll check shortly.`
`16:18.18`	`Psycho\|Work`	`I'll let the other warlock know, that was a "I'm going back to DoTimer" thing for him.`
`16:18.32`	`Apoco`	`hehe`
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`16:18.54`	`Apoco`	`ugh installing bigwigs`
`16:18.55`	`Apoco`	`ffs`
`16:18.56`	`Apoco`	`;(`
`16:19.42`	`Apoco`	`is there a way to force start a bossmod in bigwigs?`
`16:19.48`	`vhaarr`	`no`
`16:19.49`	`Psycho\|Work`	`I don't believe so, apoco`
`16:19.53`	`Apoco`	`bleh`
`16:19.58`	`Psycho\|Work`	`That's also one of the things I love about RBM. Makes testing a lot easier.`
`16:19.59`	`vhaarr`	`it depends on the module`
`16:20.11`	`nevcairiel`	`you can just inject the events into bigwigs though`
`16:20.16`	`nevcairiel`	`i used to do that alot for testing`
`16:21.03`	`CIA-40`	`03gamefaq * r72332 10BigWigs_TwinsSay/BigWigs_TwinsSay.lua: BigWigs_TwinsSay: Typo Fix`
`16:21.38`	`Psycho\|Work`	`One last thing, Apoco`
`16:21.56`	`Psycho\|Work`	`I was wondering if you had plans to allow a bit more customization of the title of each bar.`
`16:22.07`	`Zhinjio`	`Toadkiller: nope, still happening. Getting a screenie together for you. one moment.`
`16:22.08`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Or if I should submit a feature request for that.`
`16:22.14`	`Apoco`	`what do you mean?`
`16:22.20`	`Apoco`	`customization?`
`16:22.30`	`vhaarr`	`Psycho\|Work: I don't see how you can complain about that in BigWigs, there is a Test module that starts a series of bars and fires a few message events of the different types.`
`16:22.36`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Well, for example, what if I don't want to show my target's name on a DoT timer?`
`16:22.44`	`AckisWork`	`I guess RBM can benefit from my post in the bigwigs thread (muru transcriptor logs)`
`16:22.50`	`vhaarr`	`"Makes testing a lot easier.", easier than BigWigs is what I assume you meant.`
`16:22.53`	`vhaarr`	`which is bullshit`
`16:23.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`PREGNANTS`
`16:23.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`U IS IT`
`16:23.21`	`Apoco`	`thats all I need vhaarr`
`16:23.22`	`Apoco`	`:)`
`16:23.28`	`Psycho\|Work`	`vhaarr: I guess it wasn't a complaint about BigWigs as much as it was a "I like this about RBM" - because RBM does so much more than boss mods, it's nice to be able to generate bars just for bosses.`
`16:23.36`	`vhaarr`	`alright`
`16:23.39`	`Apoco`	`AckisWork: Got one last night thanks though :)`
`16:23.41`	`vhaarr`	`I read it as a complaint on BigWigs.`
`16:23.47`	`Psycho\|Work`	`That wasn't my intention.`
`16:23.58`	`AckisWork`	`Apoco: I posted it last night :P rawr lol`
`16:24.06`	`vhaarr`	`Apoco: then why didn't you ask me about that?`
`16:24.20`	`Apoco`	`RBM is not a replacement for BigWigs, hence I am writing a plugin to support it for RBM`
`16:24.23`	`Zhinjio`	`Toadkiller: http://tinyurl.com/4f3ydc`
`16:24.33`	`Fisker-`	`http://i28.tinypic.com/11a989l.jpg :I`
`16:24.36`	`Zhinjio`	`mouse is hovering on the button thats popping out, currently, obv.`
`16:24.37`	`Apoco`	`vhaarr: I guess I didnt think of a test bar setup? lol`
`16:24.47`	`Zhinjio`	`further, this may be some weirdness with cycircled?`
`16:24.50`	`Psycho\|Work`	`I used bigwigs forever, and I still tell people to use it over DBM if they're looking for a good boss mod. It's certainly not something I have any standing complaints about.`
`16:24.52`	`Zhinjio`	`I haven't tried disabling that.`
`16:25.16`	`vhaarr`	`RBM makes me sick, the fact that all our boss modules are duplicated in the code.`
`16:25.31`	`Psycho\|Work`	`You mean DBM?`
`16:25.34`	`vhaarr`	`I remember having some email exchanges with the original author a year or so ago.`
`16:25.38`	`vhaarr`	`I mean both, actually.`
`16:26.01`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Well, the cut'n'paste in DBM is precisely the reason I tell people to use BigWigs.`
`16:26.16`	`vhaarr`	`the original RBM code was a straight rip of BigWigs as well.`
`16:26.29`	`AckisWork`	`writes Deadly Wigs and copies from both`
`16:26.31`	`Apoco`	`That was not my doing if it was.`
`16:26.37`	`Apoco`	`As you well know`
`16:26.38`	`vhaarr`	`I know, I didn't say that either.`
`16:26.58`	`Zhinjio`	`Lyndwug's Mystic Hairdo!`
`16:27.13`	`Apoco`	`I really wish people would stop taking RBM as a threat to bigwigs and as such be hostile about anything with it.`
`16:27.23`	`Apoco`	`because it isn't intended to be in my eyes, and I hope it doesn't become that`
`16:27.41`	`Fisker-`	`I think i'll make "BetterWigs" and just checkout BigWigs each 5 minutes and rename BigWigs -> BetterWigs and update it`
`16:27.42`	`nevcairiel`	`vhaarr: why do you use the CreativeCommons license for BigWigs anyway? the CC license is for artwork etc, not for source code =P`
`16:28.02`	`*** join/#wowace Gagorian- (i=rw3@GMMMDIV.dsl.saunalahti.fi)`
`16:28.16`	`Psycho\|Work`	`vhaarr: I admit I haven't looked at it much, but a cursory glance at BigWigs boss modules vs. RBM's boss modules seemed to indicate that they were architected pretty differently. Maybe you're referring to something else though.`
`16:28.32`	`dylanm`	`I think people (I included) are confused as to what RBM is.`
`16:28.36`	`Psycho\|Work`	`This is the most recent version of RBM, btw. I can't speak to the original design.`
`16:28.49`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: I know, I used that license because it fits what I think people should be allowed to do`
`16:29.12`	`Apoco`	`Anytime I've taken code or even an idea from BigWigs I've put credits in the file to BigWigs, I am not someone to take credit for others code or ideas`
`16:29.16`	`vhaarr`	`Psycho\|Work: I'm referring to the whole addon, and I'm talking about a year or more ago, not how it looks now.`
`16:29.29`	`nevcairiel`	`vhaarr: even so, the license has "attribution" right? so if its a obvious rip-off, get them to credit bigwigs or let them be removed from major addon sites that care ? :)`
`16:29.47`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: I haven't really checked if DBM attribute or not, though`
`16:29.52`	`vhaarr`	`for all I know maybe they do`
`16:30.08`	`Apoco`	`I can tell you DBM jacks code from BigWigs copy-n-paste`
`16:30.15`	`Apoco`	`from looking at it in the past 24 hours`
`16:30.18`	`vhaarr`	`I know :P`
`16:30.19`	`*** join/#wowace cthom (n=cthom@ip68-10-213-222.hr.hr.cox.net)`
`16:30.46`	`Apoco`	`They did it to me too on the Kalecgos health bars`
`16:30.58`	`Apoco`	`infact the inital release still called for RBM in it`
`16:31.05`	`vhaarr`	`in any case, RBM is a competitor, just as DBM`
`16:31.07`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`16:31.28`	`Apoco`	`I'm sorry you see it that way vhar`
`16:31.29`	`AckisWork`	`I've asked this a few times but there's no real answer... what's the best way to credit people? I've done some in the toc for major ideas, some on the wiki (generic), some with comments, some in commit notes :P I haven't been yelled at about it yet at least`
`16:31.34`	`vhaarr`	`but the only thing that means is that I'll hate you from a distance, nothing else`
`16:31.42`	`Apoco`	`because I don't`
`16:31.50`	`Zhinjio`	`AckisWork: I like using an "About ButtoN" or a Help topic for that.`
`16:31.58`	`vhaarr`	`Apoco: then prove it, nuke your boss code`
`16:32.01`	`nevcairiel`	`if DBM is such a rip-off`
`16:32.03`	`vhaarr`	`and interface bigwigs`
`16:32.07`	`Apoco`	`I am!`
`16:32.08`	`nevcairiel`	`i really wouldnt hesitate to spank them`
`16:32.10`	`vhaarr`	`good`
`16:32.14`	`Apoco`	`omfg`
`16:32.23`	`Apoco`	`hence I needed to know if I coud force bars to show`
`16:32.33`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`16:32.49`	`vhaarr`	`I asked the original author why he wrote his own addon instead of working with us, and he didn't have an answer for me`
`16:32.53`	`vhaarr`	`"wrote"`
`16:32.58`	`vhaarr`	`"copied", I mean`
`16:33.18`	`vhaarr`	`nah to be fair he did add lots of features`
`16:33.23`	`Psycho\|Work`	`vhaarr: I'm confused. Is there a reason why you're averse to having someone else write a boss mod? I mean, I understand the desire for collaboration but if Apoco's not ripping your code off I'm not sure what issue you have there.`
`16:33.55`	`vhaarr`	`Psycho\|Work: the issue goes back to the original author, like I said`
`16:33.58`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`16:34.03`	`Apoco`	`his issue isnt with me its with Kameral`
`16:34.07`	`vhaarr`	`he ripped bigwigs completely and started building on it`
`16:34.22`	`vhaarr`	`not just the boss modules, like DBM does`
`16:34.24`	`vhaarr`	`but everything`
`16:34.35`	`Apoco`	`which i had no idea that he did it when I took it over`
`16:34.42`	`nevcairiel`	`full DBM website and source does not list the word "BigWigs" once, so seriously, if you see any direct rip-offs, just talk to Kaelten to get a warning through curse ;)`
`16:35.08`	`Apoco`	`nevcairiel its hard to prove they took the code`
`16:35.10`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: it's not easy to get hard evidence, but the Supremus module is one example`
`16:35.12`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Right, I understand that. But I can't understand why you'd still have a problem with Apoco developing it when he's got a bit more integrity in his practices.`
`16:35.28`	`Apoco`	`its not like there are 500 ways to write bossmods`
`16:35.39`	`Xinhuan`	`so what does RBM do that bigwigs doesn't?`
`16:35.50`	`Apoco`	`You can't compare the two`
`16:35.54`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: after I added it to the SVN with the words "Tank 'n' spank!" for phase 1, they added it to their next release with the very same raid warning`
`16:35.58`	`Apoco`	`RBM is not a boss mod`
`16:36.06`	`Xinhuan`	`ok, what does RBM do?`
`16:36.10`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Xinhuan: The reason I use it is because it integrates cooldown tracking and dot timers into timer bars for bosses that I'd already be using.`
`16:36.10`	`Apoco`	`its a bar management system`
`16:36.18`	`Xinhuan`	`can you explain abit more?`
`16:36.32`	`Xinhuan`	`bar management system is a bit intriguing`
`16:36.40`	`Fisker-`	`i.e. a bossmod lol`
`16:36.58`	`Apoco`	`it does have bossmod plugins yes, but that is not what it is being kept up for`
`16:37.01`	`Apoco`	`atleast in my eyes`
`16:37.08`	`dylanm`	`I see totem timers, drum timers, ....`
`16:37.18`	`Apoco`	`PvP Timers!`
`16:37.18`	`Apoco`	`:)`
`16:37.26`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Xinhuan: Any number of frames that contain bars for a variety of things you want timers for.`
`16:37.31`	`Xinhuan`	`so its a addon for a bunch of timers, a little of everything?`
`16:37.45`	`Apoco`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12443.0`
`16:37.46`	`dylanm`	`Oh you have cooldowns in here.`
`16:38.02`	`Apoco`	`RBM itself really does nothing`
`16:38.14`	`dylanm`	`The next obvious comparison... "so RBM is... NECBBBB."`
`16:38.20`	`cthom`	`DBM can get annoying in AV, u get so many timer bars u cant see`
`16:38.27`	`Apoco`	`I would agree with that dylanm`
`16:38.37`	`Fisker-`	`i like BigWigs`
`16:38.40`	`Fisker-`	`it's my best friend`
`16:38.43`	`Apoco`	`I never used it`
`16:38.54`	`Fisker-`	`it is what it is, and it's doing a good job at it`
`16:39.09`	`EvilJohn`	`it just works`
`16:39.10`	`Fisker-`	`if i want pvp timers i'll go install Capping or something like that`
`16:39.11`	`Hjalte`	`The RBM cooldown monitor doesn't do item cooldowns last I checked`
`16:39.12`	`Apoco`	`first boss mod I used was DBM which was required by the guild I was raiding with and I stuck with it until I started using RBM`
`16:39.20`	`dylanm`	`Perhaps you aren't a madman like Naturfreund.`
`16:39.26`	`Fisker-`	`always hated NECB because our guild forced us to use it`
`16:39.36`	`Cheads`	`for very casual guilds like the one I'm in, BigWigs require too much updating for many players.. so we settled for DBM`
`16:39.50`	`EvilJohn`	`so much easier to update bigwig`
`16:39.52`	`EvilJohn`	`s`
`16:39.53`	`vhaarr`	`that doesn't make any sense`
`16:39.58`	`hydrogen`	`wait`
`16:39.58`	`EvilJohn`	`i never understood that`
`16:39.58`	`Apoco`	`Hjalte: it depends on the cooldown`
`16:40.03`	`Fisker-`	`BigWigs doesn't require much updating`
`16:40.05`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: just because there is an update doesn't mean you HAVE to update`
`16:40.05`	`hydrogen`	`it makes more sense to use an addon thats not updated as often?`
`16:40.09`	`Fisker-`	`^^`
`16:40.19`	`Apoco`	`^@vharr`
`16:40.19`	`hydrogen`	`than to use an addon thats actively maintained`
`16:40.21`	`hydrogen`	`I GET IT NOW`
`16:40.28`	`Cheads`	`sure.. but there was the stress "there's a new version .. get it!"`
`16:40.29`	`hydrogen`	`installs cosmos`
`16:40.38`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: there's a new version every day`
`16:40.42`	`vhaarr`	`many times per day`
`16:40.49`	`Cheads`	`yeah, and that was the problem for many`
`16:40.51`	`Apoco`	`a lot of updates that show up as "updates" on the WAU are actually lib updates rather than the mod updated in my experiance`
`16:40.52`	`Fisker-`	`That's usually because of retards thinking they don't have to upgrade in ever`
`16:40.54`	`vhaarr`	`idiots`
`16:40.55`	`hydrogen`	`thats not a problem`
`16:40.58`	`hydrogen`	`It's not like libthreat`
`16:41.08`	`hydrogen`	`where if you don't update everyone, the raids doomed`
`16:41.17`	`NivFreak`	~seen funkey`
`16:41.21`	`purl`	i haven't seen 'funkey`', NivFreak
`16:41.21`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
`16:41.22`	`dylanm`	`I feel like if you're raiding with people that have a hard time updating software`
`16:41.23`	`hydrogen`	`people can have different versions and the raid won't die`
`16:41.28`	`NivFreak`	~seen funkeh`
`16:41.29`	`purl`	funkeh` <n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 2h 53m 33s ago, saying: 'Time for belgium, won't be back untill sunday, hf!'.
`16:41.35`	`Fisker-`	`Our guild was mad as well because they had to update omen 2 or 3 times because of the compat changes`
`16:41.36`	`NivFreak`	`doh`
`16:41.39`	`Cheads`	`well.. I think they are very nice people... but ok.. if you think they are idiots ..`
`16:41.47`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: yeah I do`
`16:41.58`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: that's the worst excuse I've heard for using DBM`
`16:42.01`	`NivFreak`	`so we updated to group calendar 4 last week`
`16:42.04`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: you know we have an entry on curse.com as well`
`16:42.07`	`NivFreak`	`and mine was spamming the shit out of me last night`
`16:42.07`	`vhaarr`	`you CAN upgrade from there`
`16:42.15`	`NivFreak`	`to the point where threat couldn't transmit`
`16:42.15`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: and we update that even less often than DBM`
`16:42.23`	`EvilJohn`	`nice and idiotic are not mutually exclusive...`
`16:42.23`	`Apoco`	`vhaarr: Does the test bars in BW send the events?`
`16:42.38`	`hydrogen`	`more importantly`
`16:42.50`	`Cheads`	`vhaarr yes I know that`
`16:42.58`	`hydrogen`	`you can have people in the raid using DBM and peple using bigwigs`
`16:43.06`	`hydrogen`	`its definatly a personal preference`
`16:43.16`	`vhaarr`	`Apoco: yes`
`16:43.26`	`Cheads`	`but apparently most people want to use the latest and greatest.. but won't updated several times a day`
`16:43.32`	`Apoco`	`hmm`
`16:43.32`	`NivFreak`	`hydrogen: we require bigwigs ;)`
`16:43.37`	`EvilJohn`	`yeah, there's no reason to make one required over the other`
`16:43.41`	`vhaarr`	`NivFreak: we don't approve of that`
`16:43.44`	`NivFreak`	`hah`
`16:43.46`	`Fisker-`	`lol wtf_`
`16:43.47`	`Fisker-`	`?`
`16:43.48`	`Apoco`	`BigWigs_StartBar, BigWigs_StopBar right?`
`16:43.59`	`Fisker-`	`That argument just went from stupid to fucking nuts`
`16:44.00`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: well if that doesn't take the cake`
`16:44.02`	`vhaarr`	`Apoco: yes`
`16:44.05`	`Apoco`	`wtf`
`16:44.05`	`nevcairiel`	`we require bigwigs as well :)`
`16:44.15`	`NivFreak`	`mainly I just require it, along with flash and/or shake turned on`
`16:44.19`	`Fisker-`	`"Well BigWigs is updated to often, but not to often on Curse, so we use DBM"`
`16:44.21`	`Fisker-`	`LOLOLOL`
`16:44.26`	`Cheads`	`I wonder why people can get so upset to call other people for idiots just because they won't use bigiwgs`
`16:44.27`	`NivFreak`	`so that I can scream at people if they stand in shit`
`16:44.29`	`dylanm`	`Cheads: I don't doubt that they're nice but it's a little disappointing. I mean I know if you asked my girlfriend to use an updater once a day she'd probably freak but -- surprise! -- she doesn't play games or raid or whatever. I just expect a level of competence with computers.`
`16:44.47`	`dylanm`	`(This is why we'll probably have a surprise kid at some point.)`
`16:44.52`	`Fix[EJ]`	`haha`
`16:45.04`	`Cheads`	`dylanm good luck =)`
`16:45.16`	`Fisker-`	`Cheads it's the reason`
`16:45.38`	`Cheads`	`Fisker- apparently you are missing the point`
`16:45.48`	`Fisker-`	`i can't see that i am`
`16:46.03`	`NivFreak`	`so`
`16:46.13`	`hydrogen`	`Fisker-: The reason is obviously that retarded people are retarded`
`16:46.15`	`Cheads`	`ok`
`16:46.15`	`NivFreak`	`the VashjFFA module still doesn't reset it to master looter in phase 3`
`16:46.17`	`NivFreak`	`and I suck`
`16:46.19`	`hydrogen`	`How could you have missed that?`
`16:46.20`	`NivFreak`	`I forgot to transcribe`
`16:46.50`	`Zhinjio`	`Toadkiller: did you see the screenie?`
`16:46.57`	`Fisker-`	`NivFreak i thought that when a mob was engaged it was locked to that lootmethod?`
`16:47.02`	`Apoco`	`vhaarr: Will it not send the events to AceEvent-3?`
`16:47.08`	`vhaarr`	`Apoco: it will not`
`16:47.15`	`Cheads`	`so.. we are retarded idiots because some of the players won't update their addons several times a day to have the latest version.... I wonder where the manners went`
`16:47.20`	`Apoco`	`omfg`
`16:47.27`	`CIA-40`	`03ennuilg * r72333 10scorchio/ (core.lua locales/localisation.lua scorchio.toc):`
`16:47.27`	`CIA-40`	`scorchio:`
`16:47.27`	`CIA-40`	`- Now with configurable font size goodness...`
`16:47.40`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: but the latest release is always on curse.com or wowinterface.com`
`16:47.44`	`dylanm`	`Go Ace3. Number one. Number one.`
`16:47.52`	`hydrogen`	`Cheads: no, you are a retarded idiot because you don't understand what your talking about and yet your still defending yourself`
`16:47.56`	`vhaarr`	`the latest updates on files.wowace.com are just ZIPs of the trunk`
`16:47.59`	`hydrogen`	`you're*`
`16:48.10`	`Zhinjio`	`Can't we just all get along?`
`16:48.12`	`Zhinjio`	`ducks.`
`16:48.18`	`AckisWork`	`NO`
`16:48.23`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: and the releases we post on curse/wowinterface are updated less than DBM, I'm fairly certain`
`16:48.24`	`dylanm`	`Cheads: I think it's just funny to the channel. You have to understand your audience here :p`
`16:48.30`	`Apoco`	`vhaarr: is there anyway to get the event to register with AceEvent3 or do I need to load AceEvent-2?`
`16:48.31`	`*** join/#wowace Keias (i=Keias@c-69-245-192-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net)`
`16:48.36`	`vhaarr`	`Apoco: you need AE-2`
`16:48.37`	`Fisker-`	`the updates on the SVN are usually useless updates which add no real change to how the core functionality is`
`16:48.42`	`Apoco`	`GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR`
`16:48.44`	`Fisker-`	`vhaarr`
`16:48.45`	`EvilJohn`	`no you're retarded idiots because you said people won't use bigwigs because it updates too much, then when told DBM Updates more you said people wanted to use the latest and greatest. A Comment presumably meant that people don't want to use big wigs because it gives them what they wants.`
`16:48.46`	`Fisker-`	`YOU FORGET`
`16:48.54`	`Fisker-`	`they want something that's newer`
`16:48.58`	`dylanm`	`IF WE WERE CEREAL WE'D BE CHEERIBROS`
`16:49.01`	`Cheads`	`hydrogen ... grow up?`
`16:49.07`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: fuck off?`
`16:49.10`	`vhaarr`	`lol`
`16:49.17`	`Cheads`	`tsk tsk tsk`
`16:49.18`	`dylanm`	`SO IT'S OKAY`
`16:49.35`	`Fisker-`	`Seriously i can't understand the argument`
`16:49.44`	`hydrogen`	`Cheads: Let me see if I can put this more clearly...`
`16:49.54`	`EvilJohn`	`that's because you confused him with fact`
`16:49.56`	`Fisker-`	`"We don't want the latest and greatest but we don't want the oldest either, and we still want the latest and greatest"`
`16:49.57`	`Fisker-`	`:DD`
`16:50.08`	`Cheads`	`fail`
`16:50.10`	`hydrogen`	`1) There is nothing wrong with one person running version 60942069 of Bigwigs and another running version 60942011 of Bigwigs`
`16:50.20`	`AckisWork`	`damn, I love this: "IF WE WERE CEREAL WE'D BE CHEERIBROS"`
`16:50.26`	`hydrogen`	`2) There is nothing wrong with one member of the raid running Deadly boss mods and another member running bigwigs`
`16:50.41`	`Zhinjio`	`this is making me hungry.`
`16:50.43`	`Zhinjio`	`thanks.`
`16:50.45`	`hydrogen`	`3) Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense`
`16:50.57`	`Cheads`	`some want the latest and greatest.. others are too casual/lazy/whatever to update several times a day... so they why they settled for dbm since it's not updated as often`
`16:51.04`	`nevcairiel`	`Apoco: but when BigWigs is present, you can just assume that AceEvent-2.0 is present too, and embed it into some dummy table (like --> local AE20Receiver = {}; AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0"):embed(AE20Receiver) <-- )`
`16:51.21`	`hydrogen`	`Cheads: this conversation is still way over your head, apparently`
`16:51.22`	`Fisker-`	`but Cheads BigWigs is updated even less`
`16:51.24`	`Bruners`	`As long as everyone in the raid gets the information they need to do the boss there isnt a problem`
`16:51.26`	`Apoco`	`true`
`16:51.57`	`Bruners`	`if someone dont get the information they need and cause a wipe they need to update their addons or gtfo`
`16:52.22`	`Zhinjio`	`I could have sworn I saw bitwise operations in lua somewhere, now I can't find them.`
`16:52.26`	`nevcairiel`	`We just require everyone to have BigWigs, because i then can be certain that they get the events they need, and have no grounds to say otherwise`
`16:52.36`	`nevcairiel`	`Zhinjio: bit.band, bit.bor, bit.bxor`
`16:52.44`	`Cheads`	`hydrogen ok if you say so dear god`
`16:52.55`	`NivFreak`	`Fisker-: nope`
`16:53.02`	`Zhinjio`	`nevcairiel: thanks.`
`16:53.06`	`Fisker-`	`NivFreak?`
`16:53.16`	`NivFreak`	`Fisker-: you can change the loot method at any time before the boss dies`
`16:53.22`	`Fisker-`	`ah`
`16:53.23`	`Cheads`	`Fisker- then it's back to the dear old discussion with the easy updates that wau gives contra curse/whatever`
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`16:53.33`	`dylanm`	`Contra 3 was a hard game.`
`16:53.33`	`NivFreak`	`we run vashj p2 on FFA`
`16:53.41`	`NivFreak`	`and ML when we're in phase 3`
`16:53.57`	`Fisker-`	`just pretty sure we've had a few issues with loot when changing mid-fight`
`16:54.11`	`NivFreak`	`We run hyjal waves on group loot`
`16:54.16`	`NivFreak`	`then ML the bosses`
`16:54.25`	`NivFreak`	`and always switch it mid fight`
`16:54.27`	`*** join/#wowace Odlaw (n=ozzy@c-24-8-99-131.hsd1.co.comcast.net)`
`16:54.34`	`EvilJohn`	`why do you switch to ML?`
`16:54.48`	`Fisker-`	`[2008/05/01 18:50:13-3842-x1]: oRA2_Leader-2.0\Invite.lua:436: table index is nil ---`
`16:54.52`	`ckknight`	`yay, I have furniture`
`16:54.53`	`NivFreak`	`it avoids failures with`
`16:54.58`	`CIA-40`	`03next96 * r72334 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-koKR.lua:`
`16:54.58`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`16:54.58`	`CIA-40`	`- Update locale koKR`
`16:54.59`	`NivFreak`	`clicking buttons`
`16:55.04`	`AckisWork`	`grats ckknight!`
`16:55.22`	`Toadkiller`	`Zhinjio: Looks like more evidence that its an issue between AutoBAr and cyCircled. If it is im ripping that goddamned crap out and using ButtonFacade asap`
`16:55.28`	`Fisker-`	`i have furniture too :(`
`16:55.37`	`ckknight`	`yea, but I just got mine 20 minutes ago`
`16:55.38`	`vhaarr`	`Fisker-: that really fries my bacon`
`16:55.41`	`ckknight`	`got a really nice couch`
`16:55.50`	`EvilJohn`	`get a wife, you'll get more funiture than you know what to do with`
`16:55.50`	`Fisker-`	`my furniture?`
`16:55.53`	`Fisker-`	`or the error?`
`16:55.57`	`vhaarr`	`the error`
`16:56.28`	`Fisker-`	`also get one from NRT`
`16:56.29`	`Fisker-`	`[2008/05/01 18:50:13-3842-x1]: NRT-372269\NRT.lua:1129: table index is nil`
`16:56.29`	`Zhinjio`	`Toadkiller: want me to try and disable CyC and see if it still happens?`
`16:56.34`	`AckisWork`	`Eviljohn: he gets a wife, he can sleep on the couch?`
`16:56.34`	`vhaarr`	`Fisker-: yeah I know`
`16:56.41`	`Toadkiller`	`yeah that would be kool`
`16:56.45`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, one moment.`
`16:56.47`	`vhaarr`	`Fisker-: not that you could know that I would know, so thanks`
`16:56.50`	`EvilJohn`	`good thing he got a nice once`
`16:56.53`	`EvilJohn`	`one`
`16:56.58`	`Fisker-`	`btw`
`16:57.06`	`Fisker-`	`atleast your guild isn't as stupid as mine Cheads :D`
`16:57.09`	`*** join/#wowace ShadniX (i=shadow1s@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de)`
`16:57.23`	`Fisker-`	`They demoted me claiming i had "issues working as a team"`
`16:57.39`	`Fisker-`	`Now they keep asking me for stuff related to their website`
`16:58.00`	`Cheads`	`hehe`
`16:58.04`	`Fisker-`	`as the guy who they normally don't get to pester sucks and barely ever visits the guild`
`16:58.22`	`Fisker-`	`They asked me what template file something in our DKP site was`
`16:58.26`	`Fisker-`	`i didn't even made the change`
`16:58.34`	`Cheads`	`well it doesn't really matter much if we use either(I've always used bigwigs earlier).. we are just in the middle of tk&scc`
`16:58.35`	`Fisker-`	`and the webguy has terminal access to his linux server`
`16:58.37`	`Cheads`	`ssc`
`16:58.38`	`Fisker-`	`5 SECONDS IN BASH`
`16:58.40`	`Fisker-`	`damnit`
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`16:59.00`	`Toadkiller`	`Fisker-: Time to stay demoted but extord epics and other tribute from them!`
`16:59.03`	`Apoco`	`imo Toadkiller killed AutoBar :p`
`16:59.11`	`Cheads`	`so.. the officers ment it was easier with dbm and the fewer updates...`
`16:59.12`	`Fisker-`	`damn right Toadkiller`
`16:59.22`	`Fisker-`	`I got guys on the inside`
`16:59.29`	`Fisker-`	`Already 2 officers cleaned out`
`16:59.30`	`Cheads`	`can't see the problem with starting wau before raids though`
`16:59.41`	`Toadkiller`	`Apoco: U dont like the new version yet?`
`16:59.56`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: on curse.com, BigWigs is updated less than DBM`
`16:59.57`	`Fisker-`	`of course that they made a mistake isn't ok, but rectifying said mistake would be madness, that'd just make the guild look stupid :P`
`17:00.02`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: where else would you update DBM from?`
`17:00.07`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: your officers don't make any sense!`
`17:00.08`	`Zhinjio`	`Toadkiller: yup, doesn't happen with CyC disabled.`
`17:00.12`	`Zhinjio`	`cry`
`17:00.20`	`Cheads`	`www.deadlyboosmod.com was the place I found it =)`
`17:00.23`	`Zhinjio`	`and I liked CyC, too. crap.`
`17:00.46`	`vhaarr`	`yeah those guys are some real rock stars`
`17:00.50`	`Cheads`	`I haven't followed dbm .. I've only had two versions installed`
`17:00.52`	`Toadkiller`	`Zhinjio: ButtonFacade is replace that heap of crap. Don't cry, it will be better than cyCircled ever was`
`17:00.53`	`vhaarr`	`"oh look we have our own domain!"`
`17:01.15`	`Toadkiller`	`*grammar`
`17:01.22`	`Cheads`	`well.. I typed the name on google.. and that's where it brought me =)`
`17:01.24`	`Zhinjio`	`grins.`
`17:01.33`	`Zhinjio`	`I'll take a look at it later.`
`17:01.36`	`Cheads`	`but I assume I can find it on curse wowinterface etc.`
`17:01.43`	`Fisker-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:01.43`	`Fisker-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:01.44`	`Fisker-`	`;_;`
`17:01.45`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm so close to releasing RC1 of SKG now. I just wanna get it done`
`17:01.50`	`Fisker-`	`we can't be rockstars`
`17:01.55`	`AckisWork`	`Ohhh I need my own domain :P where can I get hosting?`
`17:02.03`	`AckisWork`	`www.deadlywigs.com inc!`
`17:02.09`	`EvilJohn`	`heh`
`17:02.12`	`Cheads`	`Ackis try godaddy.com =)`
`17:02.17`	`Toadkiller`	`DBM has a link u can cut & paste right in the dialog from a version check that tells u to go get an update...`
`17:02.20`	`Apoco`	`Toadkiller: it uses like 3megs of memory`
`17:02.25`	`Apoco`	`when the old one alone uses over 1.5`
`17:02.57`	`Apoco`	`deadlywigs.com lawl`
`17:03.02`	`ennuilg`	`Hmmm... 503 from curse.com at the moment.`
`17:03.21`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: Is profile support out or just out for the time being?`
`17:03.34`	`Toadkiller`	`Apoco: Yeah I dunno wtf is up with that. I feel like goign through the libs one by one and figuring out what is so retarded. One thing is that PT3.1 is not compressed and 3.0 was. Thats a lot of crap lying around unused`
`17:04.30`	`Toadkiller`	`Someday I will also split out the class based stuff into lod modules so you only get genral and your own class stuff`
`17:04.32`	`Apoco`	`so most of the memory it uses isnt actually being used besides taking up space?`
`17:04.41`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`17:04.49`	`Cheads`	`vhaarr dbm 3.10 was released Match 25th.. 3.11 April 29th.. that's not too often =)`
`17:04.58`	`Toadkiller`	`Yeah, I am bloody pissed at that. If I had noticed it in time I would have stuck to 3.0`
`17:05.00`	`Cheads`	`(only versions I've had installed)`
`17:05.08`	`Apoco`	`Cheads: They update the versions on the site more often than that`
`17:05.12`	`Apoco`	`they just dont announce the changes`
`17:05.16`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: I didn't say they updated often, did I`
`17:05.16`	`Apoco`	`and they dont change version numbers`
`17:05.21`	`*** join/#wowace mikezter (n=Miranda@drms-4d006726.pool.mediaWays.net)`
`17:05.41`	`Cheads`	`vhaarr no....(?)`
`17:05.44`	`Apoco`	`They only update when they jack something from another mod`
`17:05.48`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: no, I didn't.`
`17:06.04`	`Cheads`	`I didn't say you did?`
`17:06.10`	`Cheads`	`atleast that wasn't intended`
`17:06.32`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: implied by your statement`
`17:06.37`	`Cheads`	`Apoco .. so if I had downloaded 3.10 it could be a bit different one day to the next? that sucks`
`17:06.50`	`Cheads`	`vhaarr ok, sorry... that wasn't my intention`
`17:07.09`	`vhaarr`	`okay`
`17:07.10`	`Apoco`	`Yes`
`17:07.26`	`CIA-40`	`03broesel01 * r72335 10Quiet_Npc/ (12 files):`
`17:07.26`	`CIA-40`	`Quiet_Npc`
`17:07.26`	`CIA-40`	`- HÃ¶hlen der Zeit, Exodar, Spezial-Npc's und viele Npc's zugefÃ¼gt`
`17:07.31`	`Apoco`	`atleast when I used it, thats what happened`
`17:07.53`	`pastamancer`	`what, no NPC Geaddet?`
`17:08.03`	`Cheads`	`guess I've have to make a crusade to convince the officers to hange to bigwigs... I'll start with.. "Idiots! you are retarded not to use BigWigs!" :O)`
`17:08.14`	`Cheads`	`change*`
`17:08.34`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: just install BigWigs and DBMFTLBBQ`
`17:08.56`	`Julith`	`have to check out what broesel01 actually does...`
`17:09.02`	`Cheads`	`I do have dear bigwigs still =)`
`17:09.12`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: with DBMFTLBBQ you won't need DBM`
`17:09.14`	`Dashkal`	`Our guild more or less polarized between DBM and BigWigs... so we just say use one or the other`
`17:09.21`	`vhaarr`	`Dashkal: good`
`17:09.30`	`Apoco`	`does it really matter?`
`17:09.33`	`Xinhuan`	`why does it matter what boss mod people use, as long as they use at least one?`
`17:09.34`	`vhaarr`	`no`
`17:09.40`	`Apoco`	`as long as everyone gets the same warnings who cares`
`17:09.42`	`Cheads`	`vhaarr: heh.. will try that out =)`
`17:09.43`	`Dashkal`	`we have enough using each that if there's anything to sync it's getting syncd (does anything sync?)`
`17:09.51`	`Cheads`	`thanks for the info`
`17:09.52`	`vhaarr`	`it doesn't matter, what matters is when people force it on their members`
`17:09.59`	`Apoco`	`if they use BigWigs, DBM, or MomboBossMod#5`
`17:10.01`	`Toadkiller`	`Cheads: the problem with BigWigs vs DBM is that DBM has some really in your face ways of notifying boss debuffs and stuff. So when you are on a boss and BigWigs doesnt cut it for some reason then the entire raid switches to DBM.`
`17:10.03`	`vhaarr`	`Dashkal: some things sync still`
`17:10.37`	`Cheads`	`Toadkiller ok`
`17:10.39`	`vhaarr`	`Toadkiller: BigWigs has that, it's just turned off by default`
`17:10.57`	`Cheads`	`only tried one new boss since I changed guild.. and that's Leotheras`
`17:11.01`	`Xinhuan`	`i had suggested that it should be on by default, but that proposal is rejected`
`17:11.37`	`Xinhuan`	`on the grounds that "people should not suddenly have something in their face" on updating bigwigs`
`17:11.42`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: to rephrase my question to get to the point, are there any plans to support sharing the layout of autobar between characters (I have a pretty uniform UI between all toons and I'd love to have autobar just be "there" on each one without having to configure them one by one)`
`17:12.02`	`Toadkiller`	`Well its a two parter then. The other part is if a patch comes out and one mod takes too long then its insta switch. We used to be BigWigs. Now we do DBM because a few months ago BigWigs was no good on Solarian`
`17:12.02`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: that's not what I said`
`17:12.20`	`Xinhuan`	`one of you said it, if it wasn't you it could be ammo`
`17:12.26`	`*** join/#wowace Tinyboom (n=Tinyboom@180.84-49-87.nextgentel.com)`
`17:12.29`	`vhaarr`	`it was funkeh`
`17:12.31`	`Xinhuan`	`or funkey`
`17:12.44`	`Azurewrath`	`Xinhuan: i prefer the slim way of BigWigs.. i like to have all the Information that i need to make decisions.. i don't need an addon to tell me in fullscreen what to do. :)`
`17:12.52`	xyu`	`what goes "in your face"? and why would we want it?`
`17:13.11`	`Xinhuan`	`"in your face" would be like making your entire screen red, when you get solarian debuff`
`17:13.23`	`Xinhuan`	`rather than just play a small "ding" sound`
`17:13.34`	xyu`	`ah i see. yeah i guess the huge violet bursting energy out of you isn't enough :P`
`17:13.35`	`Cheads`	`blink blink red, shake, ding!`
`17:13.40`	`vhaarr`	`if the flash'n'shake were to be enabled by default, it would just be another boom in the face of the user that he doesn't understand`
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`17:14.03`	`Xinhuan`	`if the user doesn't understand it, he shouldn't be a raider`
`17:14.10`	`Toadkiller`	`All right then. I am a healer with my face glued to the grid part of the screen. Without screen shaking dripping bloody red ichor, yelling at me and spraying big text all over the middle im gonna blow up the raid or something dumb...`
`17:14.12`	`CIA-40`	`03Gothwin * r72336 10BigWigs_TwinsSay/BigWigs_TwinsSay.lua: BigWigs_TwinsSay: - Removed enabled message after reset, now no longer required.`
`17:14.25`	`Cheads`	`Toadkiller hehehe`
`17:14.28`	xyu`	`goes same for both ways. If you can't see the skull on your head and the energy bursting out of you, you also shoudln't be a raider :)`
`17:14.34`	`Azurewrath`	`no Xinhuan, if he does not notice when he gets a debuff etc. he shouldn't be a raider`
`17:14.55`	`Xinhuan`	`well the point of boss mods is to make an encounter more idiotproof ;p`
`17:14.59`	`vhaarr`	`the flash'n'shake is useful for healers like Toadkiller said`
`17:15.08`	`vhaarr`	`so he can turn it on then`
`17:15.28`	xyu`	`i guess.`
`17:15.31`	`Cheads`	`I must admit I prefre it without the shake =)`
`17:15.34`	`Xinhuan`	`my agrument is that the option should be on by default because 80% of my guild doesn't even know it exists`
`17:15.48`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm like "turn on flash-n-shake" and they are like "turn on wut??"`
`17:15.48`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: I say your raid leader should educate them`
`17:16.16`	xyu`	`we have raiders still using default UI.`
`17:16.17`	xyu`	`o_O`
`17:16.20`	`AckisWork`	`Xinhuan: I agree with you, it took about 30 minutes and 3 forums posts with 4 different people "discovering" flash and shake for themselves to get it ingrained into our raid for twins`
`17:16.23`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm.. how about integrating a checkbox that pops up if theres no config and once on update.. 2 Options: 1. I'd like to keep my BigWigs the way it was - 2. i want to full tentacle rape party IN MY FACE`
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`17:16.40`	`Xinhuan`	`and then there's the people that say "dbm is better because it has this IN YOUR FACE warning, that bigwigs doesn't have" :)`
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`17:16.45`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ`
`17:16.52`	`Xinhuan`	`and then when told bigwigs does have it, but its off by default`
`17:16.52`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: so they're ignorant, too bad for them :P`
`17:16.52`	xyu`	`lol azure`
`17:16.57`	`Toadkiller`	`"Im a <warlock\|mage\|tank\|etc.> that jsut sits there hitting 1 or 2 keys all fight long while I chew gum, watch television and chat with my buddies. I never miss seing the debuff. I dont see why someone like a healer that is constantly doing stuff with no time to even look at the fight should have problems"`
`17:17.13`	`Xinhuan`	`they say bigwigs sucks because you have to turn it on!`
`17:17.17`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`17:17.25`	`Cheads`	`Toadkiller true =)`
`17:17.38`	`Xinhuan`	`fact is, many users just install an addon without looking at the options, mostly they only install it because other people tell them to`
`17:17.39`	xyu`	`hey hey now. i'm watching my scorch debuff!!!`
`17:17.46`	`Toadkiller`	`Grid sucks for the same reason. Gewtting that goddamned thing set up over teamspeak on someone elses comp sucks balls`
`17:17.57`	`Xinhuan`	`raid leader says "install bigwigs", they do it, only because so`
`17:17.57`	`Cheads`	`as a warlock I sometimes have to click '3' though!`
`17:18.06`	`Apoco`	`I <3 Grid`
`17:18.12`	`elite3vil`	`^`
`17:18.14`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: I know, but I don't support that line of thought, and I think the raid leader should know what he's doing and educate his members accordingly`
`17:18.15`	`Apoco`	`once its setup its amazing`
`17:18.27`	`*** join/#wowace Kaaosa (n=Kaaosa@ip68-110-12-217.tc.ph.cox.net)`
`17:18.29`	`Toadkiller`	`I <3 Grid too. I hate its default settings and utter lack of sensible defaults`
`17:18.33`	xyu`	`i would like grid if it stopped effing moving on me. it would suddenly get really large with "empty" groups. even when i turn off dynamic grouping >_<`
`17:18.35`	`Apoco`	`I personally think we should all get rid of boss mods`
`17:18.38`	`Apoco`	`and make players l2 play`
`17:18.39`	`Bruners`	`Xinhuan: all casual addon users just install it and just have it there without ever checking its configuration`
`17:18.41`	`Apoco`	`but thats just me`
`17:18.43`	`Azurewrath`	`Toadkiller: set up right, Grid is >>>> all. If someones to dumb to read and learn the config options.. i don't care`
`17:18.46`	`chiper`	`I've been in guilds that created step-by-step webpages showing how to install and use required addons`
`17:18.46`	`*** join/#wowace Chaud (n=chaudhar@75-136-135-060.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com)`
`17:18.52`	`Dashkal`	`"Ok, you spent _days_ of your life leveling to 70 and gearing out so you can raid... and you won't spend 5 bloddy minutes to look at the options of a mod before judging it? _You_ fail. /raidkick"`
`17:18.59`	`Xinhuan`	`sensible defaults is the argument`
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`17:19.07`	xyu`	`chiper: i've been in one`
`17:19.12`	xyu`	`screenshotting step by step`
`17:19.23`	`Xinhuan`	`have you looked at pitbull defaults? lol`
`17:19.24`	`vhaarr`	`something bouncing around your screen flashing in your eyes when you don't know WHY it does that is NOT sensible`
`17:19.24`	`Cheads`	`Apoco then we'll still be on Maulgar =)`
`17:19.32`	`Toadkiller`	`Azurewrath: lemme guess, you are a linux user and love to tweak & hack your way through issues`
`17:19.43`	`Apoco`	`I honestly dont have bossmods running for most fights`
`17:19.44`	`AckisWork`	`Xinhuan: what do you think about whispers for events?`
`17:19.45`	`Apoco`	`I dont need them`
`17:19.58`	`Xinhuan`	`it helps, and i support them`
`17:19.58`	`ennuilg`	`I'm going to write a patch for BigWigs that formats someone's harddrive and blows up their screen if they get hit by water spout. That's such a sucky way to die!`
`17:20.07`	`Apoco`	`I do for Illidari Council because I'm too lazy to notice I'm in the aoe`
`17:20.13`	`Apoco`	`but I think thats it`
`17:20.24`	xyu`	`i do for illidari because i'm the poor sucker mage that has to counterspell that heal.`
`17:20.26`	xyu`	`in the BoE`
`17:20.29`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`17:20.31`	`Azurewrath`	`Toadkiller: no.. Windows User.`
`17:20.31`	`Kaaosa`	`ennuilg, tell your paladins that frost resist aura will let them resist it`
`17:20.32`	xyu`	`such a GD boring fight`
`17:20.38`	`Apoco`	`l2CS!`
`17:20.43`	`Kaaosa`	`Then it's the greatest way to watch someone die.`
`17:20.44`	`Toadkiller`	`Xinhuanhaha yeah I use pitbull too. Probably really badly but then I only use it for targets myself & focus. Grid IS my unitframe`
`17:20.46`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't, for council because i tank the bitch and all i do is spam fireball ;p`
`17:20.55`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`17:20.56`	`chiper`	`I for one am glad that my guild didn't tackle void reaver pre 2.4. it's been a real lesson for our raiders in paying attention to the fight`
`17:20.59`	`Dashkal`	`I still don't see how the hell you can get hit by the very large stream of water that takes a good while to reach you...`
`17:21.15`	xyu`	`Dashkal: when i'm bored i blink through it`
`17:21.20`	xyu`	`so i dont even drop below`
`17:21.23`	`Kaaosa`	`Don't know, Dashkal. I've still never been hit.`
`17:21.23`	`Toadkiller`	`Haha Loot Reaver always has and always will be super easy...`
`17:21.25`	`elite3vil`	`lol.. I sometimes forget that I shouldn't be using r1 consecrate in the Council fight... it kinda confuses our MT`
`17:21.27`	`Xinhuan`	`when you're bored, you iceblock thru it`
`17:21.32`	`Dashkal`	xyu`: But you don't suck at it :p
`17:21.34`	xyu`	`iceblock isn't fun :(`
`17:21.45`	`Xinhuan`	`or just get in a spriest group and stay underwater all the time with uw breathing`
`17:21.48`	xyu`	`blinkting through c'thun beam was good too.`
`17:21.49`	`Dashkal`	`I swear half the raid thought it healed them...`
`17:22.02`	`Kaaosa`	`Xinhuan, that's what I've been doing lately on my warlock :P`
`17:22.23`	xyu`	`we didn't have ice block when we did lurker`
`17:22.25`	`Toadkiller`	`Haha "Lightning Storm is not a Buff!"`
`17:22.27`	`Apoco`	`wtf causes stack overflows?`
`17:22.49`	`Kaaosa`	`Racism and jealousy, Apoco`
`17:22.56`	`chiper`	`apoco: usually too much recursion.`
`17:23.02`	`Apoco`	`then I'm screwed Kaaosa`
`17:23.03`	`Kaaosa`	`That too`
`17:23.10`	`Apoco`	`hmm`
`17:24.14`	`chiper`	`in the old days, poor memory handling could do it, but these days we have memory managers that do all that shit for us`
`17:24.50`	`ennuilg`	`The annoying thing is we're in BT, we've cleared Hyjal, and the same people still die on Lurker because they're idiots!`
`17:24.57`	`CIA-40`	`037destiny * r72337 10BigWigs/Sunwell/Kalecgos.lua: BigWigs: koKR Update`
`17:25.04`	`ennuilg`	`grumbles...`
`17:25.26`	`Dashkal`	`It's amazing how difficult it is to get 25 non-idiots together...`
`17:25.43`	xyu`	`that's why 40 man raids were easier`
`17:25.47`	`chiper`	`makes me very happy with my guild`
`17:25.48`	xyu`	`15 of them were slackers`
`17:25.48`	`Xinhuan`	`you should have had iceblock because alar is fire immune :D`
`17:26.06`	xyu`	`psh our mages never specced ice`
`17:26.12`	`Apoco`	`ennuilg: I have 7/8 T6 and I died on lurker last night`
`17:26.13`	`*** join/#wowace YourMomsHero (n=cirish@74.202.196.195)`
`17:26.14`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`17:26.18`	`Xinhuan`	`then again, you could argue that`
`17:26.22`	xyu`	`i think were in that whole 2piece T5 phase when we did alar`
`17:26.22`	`AckisWork`	`Apoco: :o`
`17:26.23`	`ennuilg`	`I've not been ice since BWL.`
`17:26.24`	`Xinhuan`	`hydross is half frost immune`
`17:26.36`	xyu`	`when all the mages went arcane`
`17:26.44`	`Apoco`	`something about a hunter tank just didnt work`
`17:26.45`	`Apoco`	`~_~`
`17:26.46`	`purl`	`:/`
`17:26.47`	`chiper`	`I am more and more proud with my raid group. we downed lurker on third attempt the very first time in. downed VR on second attempt, again, first time in`
`17:26.51`	`ennuilg`	`lol Apoco`
`17:27.04`	`Apoco`	`I tanked the first boss in Hyjal!`
`17:27.09`	`Apoco`	`Raptor Strike! RWAR`
`17:27.16`	`Xinhuan`	`i tanked onyxia at lvl 60 ;p`
`17:27.19`	`CIA-40`	`03rabbit * r72338 10oUF_Rabbit/ (5 files in 2 dirs):`
`17:27.19`	`CIA-40`	`oUF_Rabbit:`
`17:27.19`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:27.19`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:27.19`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:27.19`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:27.21`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:27.26`	`Xinhuan`	`i held aggro by using counterspells! high threat move!`
`17:27.28`	xyu`	`yeah, we had a hunter tank onyxia and nefarion.`
`17:27.30`	xyu`	`at 60`
`17:27.34`	`AckisWork`	`Tanking ony was easy :P at 60`
`17:27.49`	`Xinhuan`	`and spamming AM`
`17:27.56`	`Xinhuan`	`uninterruptable ones`
`17:28.07`	`Xinhuan`	`then getting innervates :D`
`17:28.31`	`AckisWork`	`has m'uru been killed yet?`
`17:28.37`	`chiper`	`crap, just remembered we have gruuls tonight`
`17:28.47`	`dylanm`	`AckisWork: Don't believe so.`
`17:28.58`	`dylanm`	`Someone would have said shit in #ej at some point.`
`17:29.22`	`mikma`	`OUF WABBIT`
`17:29.38`	xyu`	`dylanm: what network is #ej on?`
`17:30.13`	`mikma`	`lemme guess`
`17:30.16`	`mikma`	`GAUGENET!`
`17:30.31`	`mikma`	Fix[EJ]: <2029> <xyu`> dylanm: what network is #ej on?
`17:30.43`	`Fix[EJ]`	`!`
`17:30.45`	`dylanm`	`gamesurge`
`17:30.47`	`Xinhuan`	`its on gamesurge`
`17:30.47`	`dylanm`	`Where the pros go.`
`17:30.48`	xyu`	`thx`
`17:30.48`	`Fix[EJ]`	`gamesurge`
`17:30.56`	`AckisWork`	`I thin it's on gamesurge`
`17:31.03`	`AckisWork`	`Fix: Did you guys try m'uru?`
`17:31.09`	`mikma`	`rumors tell me its propably gamesurge`
`17:31.32`	`Fix[EJ]`	`yeah, few hours on tuesday and last night as well`
`17:31.45`	`AckisWork`	`how far have you got him down?`
`17:31.53`	`AckisWork`	`we're still trying to find a workable strat`
`17:32.10`	`Cheads`	`DBMFTLBBQ is just install and forget?`
`17:32.16`	`CIA-40`	`03arcanefoam * r72339 10DHUD2/ (. auras.lua core.lua embeds.xml layout.lua):`
`17:32.16`	`CIA-40`	`DHUD2:`
`17:32.16`	`CIA-40`	`-Continue to fix external references`
`17:32.16`	`CIA-40`	`-Player and cast bars working`
`17:32.16`	`CIA-40`	`-Added Totem functionality`
`17:32.52`	`Fix[EJ]`	`well, DPS on muru is sort of maligned from the start`
`17:33.05`	`Fix[EJ]`	`but we have a fairly sustainable strat for the humanoids / void spawns`
`17:33.35`	`Fix[EJ]`	`not we just have to fine tune it so we can move our DPS from the adds back on to m'uru`
`17:33.43`	`Fix[EJ]`	`s/not/now`
`17:33.45`	`AckisWork`	`ahh`
`17:34.07`	`vhaarr`	`Cheads: yes`
`17:34.32`	`mikma`	`i'm sure nihilum will down it soon`
`17:34.36`	`Fix[EJ]`	`we had a lot of painful wipes to MD screw ups, though :\`
`17:34.40`	`AckisWork`	`I think it's going to be a fun, but insane fight`
`17:34.49`	`vhaarr`	`Fix[EJ]: misdirect or mass dispel?`
`17:34.52`	`AckisWork`	`Yah, those skulls are very painful`
`17:34.54`	`Fix[EJ]`	`mass dispel`
`17:34.58`	`vhaarr`	`aha`
`17:35.11`	`Fix[EJ]`	`theres the awesome bug where your aoe circle disappears if its not in the "perfect placement", in that room`
`17:35.19`	`vhaarr`	`ah right`
`17:35.28`	`vhaarr`	`I thought they fixed that in 2.4.1?`
`17:35.32`	`vhaarr`	`they claimed they did`
`17:35.36`	`Fix[EJ]`	`not entirely I guess :[`
`17:35.40`	`*** join/#wowace SNiLD (i=snild@nurmijarvi.net)`
`17:35.49`	`Fix[EJ]`	`but, all in all, its just a totally awesome idea for a fight`
`17:35.51`	xyu`	`blizzard keeps bugs (c'thun lol?) so that people can't progress too fast! ;)`
`17:35.51`	`vhaarr`	`they claimed that all ground targetted aoe spells should work better and not "fall through"`
`17:35.52`	`Fix[EJ]`	`for phase one, so far, anyways.`
`17:36.01`	`AckisWork`	`I want them to fix the graphics glitches in twins room`
`17:36.05`	`vhaarr`	`or perhaps it's for 2.4.2`
`17:36.22`	`AckisWork`	`Yah, Fix, it looks like it's going to be fun... still think my fav fight is felmyst however`
`17:36.38`	`Dashkal`	`They did somewhat fix the aoe bug. Skettis bombing doesn't suck as much now`
`17:37.10`	xyu`	`my guild is still on brut :(`
`17:37.30`	`Fix[EJ]`	`all of the fights in SWP are actually very fun`
`17:37.44`	`AckisWork`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:37.46`	`Bruners`	`my guild is still lacking signups on sunwell nights`
`17:38.18`	`CIA-40`	`03rabbit * r72340 10oUF_Rabbit/todo.txt: oUF_Rabbit: Added todo.txt`
`17:38.25`	`mikma`	`todo wabbit lololo`
`17:38.30`	`vhaarr`	`weewee`
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`17:47.04`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Bruners: I can't imagine how frustrating that must be :[`
`17:48.48`	`Zhinjio`	`we're recruiting again`
`17:49.00`	`Zhinjio`	`SSC 4/6, TK 1/4 ... and having trouble meeting 25 man mins.`
`17:49.06`	`kenlyric`	`Bruners: move sunwell to the night with the signups`
`17:49.25`	`Zhinjio`	`where does SUnwell fall in the instance progression, difficulty wise?`
`17:49.33`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Hardest.`
`17:49.37`	`Zhinjio`	`ah, nice.`
`17:50.23`	`dylanm`	`You hear people being pretty satisfied with the difficulty.`
`17:50.44`	`dylanm`	`Which I don't think was the case for Hyjal and BT.`
`17:50.52`	`Bruners`	`kenlyric: doesnt matter what night it is, as long as its sunwell people tend to not sign`
`17:50.54`	`AckisWork`	`the bosses are not a cakewalk which is nice`
`17:50.54`	`Psycho\|Work`	`I think it sounds like they did a marvelous job of tuning it. Brutallus alone sounds like they got the tuning amazingly well.`
`17:51.01`	`kenlyric`	`Bruners: that's my point`
`17:51.01`	`dylanm`	`Love Brut.`
`17:51.04`	`kenlyric`	`just go to sunwell`
`17:51.12`	`kenlyric`	`on whatever night has the most signups`
`17:51.18`	`Apoco`	`Sunwell is like Black Temple on Heroic Mode`
`17:51.30`	`Apoco`	`very well designed so far`
`17:51.38`	`AckisWork`	`Apoco: Kara is BT on heroic mode... you get more badges there :P`
`17:51.39`	`Fisker-`	`Zeksie`
`17:51.42`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Sunwell is the perfect mix of "don't stand in the fire" and "don't be bad at your class" I have ever seen`
`17:51.56`	`Psycho\|Work`	`I think Blizzard deserves credit in that I think their instances design has gotten progressively better since they released the game.`
`17:52.18`	`Apoco`	`Fix[EJ]: Its more or less "dont stand in the shadow/fire"`
`17:52.21`	`dylanm`	`I like that Twins and Mu'ru seem to be stopping bad guilds.`
`17:52.21`	`Apoco`	`imo`
`17:52.34`	`Fix[EJ]`	`pretty much every fight requires tightly tuned DPS/HPS/TPS, and situational awareness becomes a major factor in raid survivability`
`17:52.43`	`Apoco`	`Bad guilds can beat twins`
`17:52.45`	`Fisker-`	`how can you kill brutallus and still be a bad guild O_o?`
`17:52.54`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Fisker-: stack shamans.`
`17:52.55`	`Apoco`	`theres a glitch that makes p2 nothing but tank-n-spank`
`17:53.02`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Get lucky on glaives? =P`
`17:53.14`	`Apoco`	`nobody gets conflaged besides the tank and nobody gets gnome guys`
`17:53.33`	`kenlyric`	`Fisker-: because their threshhold for "bad guild" is unbelievably high.`
`17:53.46`	`Fix[EJ]`	`well, p2 is pretty much a joke (in either kill order), Apoco`
`17:53.48`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`17:53.53`	`Apoco`	`true`
`17:54.01`	`Fix[EJ]`	`the hardest part is figuring out how to manage both of them in p1`
`17:54.03`	`AckisWork`	`P1 is the only challenge for twins`
`17:54.27`	`AckisWork`	`Did you do the reverse strat?`
`17:54.38`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Yeah, this week we did`
`17:55.00`	`Fix[EJ]`	`We were worried it would take too much time away from M'uru, but we got it down in ~4 pulls or so`
`17:55.02`	`AckisWork`	`I'm thinking that reverse strat will make P2 trivial`
`17:55.09`	`kenlyric`	`like "they do .1% less than optimal dps, clearly mouthbreathers"`
`17:56.18`	`Apoco`	`I only wish sunwell had attunement`
`17:56.35`	`AckisWork`	`Apoco: then you couldn't pugmote it`
`17:56.37`	`Apoco`	`I hate having to buy Sunmotes from guilds that cant kill the first 4 bosses in BT but can clear trash in sunwell`
`17:56.41`	`Apoco`	`exactly!`
`17:56.49`	`AckisWork`	`We get on alts and do it...`
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`17:57.10`	`dylanm`	`I'm with you on that; I like attunements in general.`
`17:59.54`	`*** join/#wowace Starinnia (n=chatzill@d47-69-74-203.try.wideopenwest.com)`
`18:01.01`	`Apoco`	`vhaarr: Whats the boolean in BigWigs_StartBar for?`
`18:03.04`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Apoco: what are you buying sunmotes for :[`
`18:03.12`	`Fix[EJ]`	`we have been so terribly unlucky with trash drops`
`18:03.18`	`Apoco`	`omg so have we`
`18:03.21`	`Apoco`	`we have 12 sunmotes`
`18:03.25`	`Apoco`	`3 dps wands`
`18:03.27`	`Apoco`	`and thats it`
`18:03.32`	`Fix[EJ]`	`we've found one pattern so far, the rogue engineering goggles. sold those for 6.5k!`
`18:03.33`	`AckisWork`	`we've had about 10 trash drops total I think`
`18:03.34`	`Apoco`	`in the past 2 days we got 3 polearms though`
`18:03.42`	`Fix[EJ]`	`we got our first felspine though`
`18:03.43`	`Fix[EJ]`	`yeah`
`18:03.52`	`Apoco`	`I passed to a holy pally for ret gear`
`18:03.53`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`18:04.04`	`Fix[EJ]`	`i finally upgraded from http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28673 yesterday`
`18:04.09`	`Fix[EJ]`	`to wand of the demonsoul`
`18:04.17`	`Azurewrath`	`we have 2 healer rings and 2 huntard weapons.. nothing else. Some guild who killed Illidan like 2 days ago got the Sunfire Robe recipe on their first trash pull ...`
`18:04.18`	`Apoco`	`hehe`
`18:04.18`	`Fix[EJ]`	`(i hate you solarian, i really do)`
`18:04.19`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`18:04.35`	`Apoco`	`Yeah theres a guild on my server that can't get passed akama in BT`
`18:04.40`	`Apoco`	`but has got 4 engi patterns to drop`
`18:04.43`	`Apoco`	`from sunwell trash`
`18:04.47`	`AckisWork`	`We had the JC healer neck drop`
`18:05.28`	`Apoco`	`I'm just lucky I got the twinsbow first kill`
`18:05.28`	`AckisWork`	`need more healer wands IMO`
`18:05.28`	`Psycho\|Work`	`One of the elemental shamans in my guild won the BoP shaman healer chest pattern from sunwell.`
`18:05.28`	`Psycho\|Work`	`In a PuG`
`18:05.28`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Sold it for 5,000 gold.`
`18:05.53`	`Apoco`	`We had the shammy healing gloves drop off of the gauntlet last week`
`18:05.59`	`mort`	`how can zou not get past akama!?`
`18:06.02`	`Apoco`	`the GM's wont reimburse the item because it wasn't looted`
`18:06.03`	`Azurewrath`	`who needs gold.. with the bosses dropping so much now it gets more and more and more..`
`18:06.08`	`Apoco`	`(no shit the mobs despawn instantly)`
`18:06.20`	`Psycho\|Work`	`Apoco: The gauntlet has trash that despawns in like 10 seconds, right?`
`18:06.38`	`Fix[EJ]`	`what`
`18:06.43`	`*** part/#wowace kraby (n=Kenny@cpe-76-166-199-121.socal.res.rr.com)`
`18:06.44`	`Fix[EJ]`	`gauntlet has never dropped anything for us`
`18:06.48`	`Fix[EJ]`	`i didn't think it was itemized`
`18:07.07`	`Azurewrath`	`mort: don't know.. Akama is no Boss, Akama is a story event, after which completion you get 2-4 Void Crystals.`
`18:07.08`	`AckisWork`	`The only mob that has a chance to drop something is the commander at the end of it`
`18:07.09`	`*** join/#wowace Proffy (n=Kenny@cpe-76-166-199-121.socal.res.rr.com)`
`18:07.12`	`Apoco`	`Only the Commander is Fix[EJ]`
`18:07.19`	`AckisWork`	`his corpse despawns after a second or so`
`18:07.22`	`Apoco`	`but he despawns in 2 seconds after kill instead of instantly`
`18:07.25`	`AckisWork`	`we got a mote off of him :D`
`18:07.39`	`Fix[EJ]`	`ah`
`18:07.50`	`Fix[EJ]`	`more good luck for us, then!`
`18:08.26`	`Apoco`	`how are you guys doing on Muru?`
`18:08.26`	`mort`	`akama is a bitch that never drops the leather healing legs`
`18:09.04`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Apoco: us?`
`18:09.08`	`Apoco`	`yeah`
`18:09.24`	`Fix[EJ]`	`eh, not too bad I suppose`
`18:09.29`	`Psycho\|Work`	`mort, we found a solution to getting the same drops every week.`
`18:09.32`	`Fisker-`	`has sex with Zeksie`
`18:09.40`	`Fix[EJ]`	`we've got the stablization strat down`
`18:09.47`	`AckisWork`	`you should share it fix :P`
`18:09.50`	`Fix[EJ]`	`now we just have to fine tune it so our dps can shift from the adds back on to m'uru`
`18:09.51`	`Psycho\|Work`	`We'd gotten the shadowmoon insignia five times and the dumb paladin haste healer belt off gorefiend like six times.`
`18:10.11`	`Apoco`	`Yeah, I was told from Deek that p2 is mathmatically impossible to beat right now`
`18:10.13`	`mort`	`i have a better solution: kalecgos has better ones :P`
`18:10.19`	`Apoco`	`compares it to Original Rag Release`
`18:10.27`	`Psycho\|Work`	`The trick is to take the piece of loot that you no longer want, give it to the person in the raid that hates seeing it most, and have them turn around in a circle (ONLY TURN TO THE LEFT) three times and then destroy it.`
`18:10.28`	`Fix[EJ]`	`because we can get muru to...70% ish, adds spawn, and we seem to finish them as soon as the next wave spawns`
`18:10.50`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Apoco: eh, I've heard that its impossible from a few, and thats its perfectly tuned from others`
`18:11.01`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Gurg said its reminds him of cthun 1.0, which may be true`
`18:11.09`	`AckisWork`	`I thought 3 guilds have only seen P2?`
`18:11.25`	`Apoco`	`Nurfed was working on p2 all last night`
`18:12.09`	`CIA-40`	`03rabbit * r72341 10oUF_Rabbit/raid.lua: oUF_Rabbit: Clear the hp and mana bars when a unit is dead/ghost/offline for raid frames.`
`18:12.24`	`Apoco`	`It wouldnt suprise me at all if they made him unbeatable right now`
`18:12.29`	`Apoco`	`give us something to throw our heads against`
`18:12.43`	`Fix[EJ]`	`yeah`
`18:12.49`	`AckisWork`	`meh why make him unbeatable when you have an artificial limit that prevents you from going further?`
`18:13.11`	`Fix[EJ]`	`because the gate mechanism is still a bandaid on a gaping wound`
`18:13.34`	`Fix[EJ]`	`at least with making a boss seem beatable (but not actually be) you have some content to play with`
`18:13.53`	`AckisWork`	`then they get in shit like c'thun 1.0 et al.`
`18:13.54`	`Apoco`	`exactly`
`18:14.05`	`Apoco`	`Blizz has done it numerious times before`
`18:14.15`	`Apoco`	`when they pushed a raid instance too early and not all the end bosses are finished`
`18:14.49`	`Fix[EJ]`	`which is why I think Muru isn't unbeatable`
`18:15.00`	`Kulaar`	`we're also stuck on around 70%`
`18:15.02`	`Fix[EJ]`	`they did a fair bit of testing on him on the PTR`
`18:15.16`	`Xinhuan`	`its hard to say whether a boss is beatable`
`18:15.23`	`Xinhuan`	`4 horseman was hard`
`18:15.44`	`Apoco`	`Yes, but Kiljaden isnt finished yet`
`18:15.50`	`chiper`	`it may also just be intentionally too hard to keep people tied over until wotlk is done`
`18:16.01`	`Fix[EJ]`	`chiper: yeah, that would be the point`
`18:16.01`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't think so`
`18:16.07`	`Fix[EJ]`	`artifically extend the life on the content`
`18:16.11`	`Xinhuan`	`they can just open a gate every 1 month`
`18:16.17`	`Apoco`	`thats why I think its mathically unbeatable`
`18:16.25`	`Apoco`	`they'll do a "bug fix" here and there making it a bit more beatable`
`18:16.37`	`Apoco`	`then finally about 5 months before wotlk release it`
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`18:17.32`	`AckisWork`	`they should've extended the time on the gates to make that a more artificial limit... 1 twins gate was perfectly times, I think the m'uru gate could've stayed closed for another week or two`
`18:17.58`	`Apoco`	`thats not the point`
`18:18.04`	`Apoco`	`Thats giving us nothing to do`
`18:18.10`	`Fix[EJ]`	`they should have kept the muru gate closed`
`18:18.16`	`Fix[EJ]`	`so we could have played gta4 for a week`
`18:18.19`	`chiper`	`ponders which of hit toons he'll level to 80 first`
`18:18.20`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`18:18.20`	`Fix[EJ]`	`seriously...wtf blizz`
`18:18.36`	`Apoco`	`giving us a boss that is said "beatable" but isn't, gives us something to bang our heads against`
`18:18.58`	`Xinhuan`	`you can still play gta4 ;p`
`18:19.00`	`AckisWork`	`yes but with the gates closed a bit longer they could milk the content for those extra weeks`
`18:19.16`	`AckisWork`	`there's no reason why there isn't a major content patch every month other than blizz sucks :P`
`18:19.28`	`Fix[EJ]`	`well, yes there is`
`18:19.36`	`Apoco`	`major content takes alot of time to develop properly`
`18:19.40`	`Fix[EJ]`	`blizzard likes to polish content`
`18:19.46`	`Apoco`	`not to mention that would make itemization 5000x's worse than it currently is`
`18:19.48`	`Fix[EJ]`	`(granted, you people believe wow content isn't polished)`
`18:19.49`	`AckisWork`	`That's why you have the development cycle`
`18:20.01`	`Fix[EJ]`	`but the fact is, their an extremely small company for what they have in development`
`18:20.17`	`AckisWork`	`have 10 teams working on different content and do it like that... they're making more than enough money on this game`
`18:20.18`	`dylanm`	`Fix[EJ]: I think some people take issue with that.`
`18:20.20`	`Fix[EJ]`	`sc2, wotlk, d3(haha), next gen MMO`
`18:20.24`	`dylanm`	`Given the cash they take in.`
`18:20.29`	`Fix[EJ]`	`not to mention wc3/sc/d2`
`18:20.49`	`Apoco`	`and they still patch SC/Wc1/2`
`18:20.57`	`chiper`	`I'd rather they commit the man hours on updating old content`
`18:21.09`	`Fix[EJ]`	`well, I think the problem is they literally don't have the talent to produce content fast enough`
`18:21.23`	`Fix[EJ]`	`there have been quite a few EJ folks who have gone off to work for blizzard`
`18:21.37`	`AckisWork`	`poor bastards =/`
`18:21.39`	`Fix[EJ]`	`and I've heard their "raid content testers" are...for a lack of a better word, face rollers`
`18:21.50`	`dylanm`	`Yeah I've heard the same.`
`18:21.53`	`Fix[EJ]`	`smash hand on keyboard to win`
`18:22.03`	`Psycho\|Work`	`PRES BUTAN 4 HAEL`
`18:22.03`	`dylanm`	`They should just hire XI.`
`18:22.19`	`Fix[EJ]`	`I'm pretty sure he would strangle the devs`
`18:22.35`	`chiper`	`wouldnt that mean that the raids should be easier?`
`18:22.36`	`Fix[EJ]`	`and then attempt a coup`
`18:22.50`	`Apoco`	`Blizz treats there employees like shit`
`18:22.53`	`pastamancer`	`chiper: I was just wondering that too...`
`18:23.00`	`Fix[EJ]`	`chiper: no, it means the raids don't get tested very well`
`18:23.09`	`Fix[EJ]`	`because when you have terrible input, you get terrible output!`
`18:23.22`	`chiper`	`if your content testers aren't fully using their skills, they'd find it too hard and the content would be toned down`
`18:23.26`	`pastamancer`	`so they don't actually defeat the encounters? or do they say "fuck it, it's 4:30 /cast Death Touch"`
`18:23.33`	`kenlyric`	`do the testers know every single fight mechanic?`
`18:23.33`	`Apoco`	`basically`
`18:23.46`	`Fix[EJ]`	`kenlyric: can't say, really`
`18:23.55`	`Apoco`	`kenlyric: They also have gear far superior to ours`
`18:24.04`	`Apoco`	`they probably test with full dev or sunwell+ gear`
`18:24.08`	`Fix[EJ]`	`I'm sure that its basically 30 dudes/dudettes sitting around testing quests and stuff all day`
`18:24.20`	`Fix[EJ]`	`then the devs come in and say "hay kiljaeden is ready, come test phase 1 and see whats up"`
`18:24.35`	`dylanm`	`It's possible that they're just making sure that the triggers and phases work.`
`18:24.36`	`Fix[EJ]`	`and the devs just take note of what happens, what mechanics are/aren't working etc`
`18:24.38`	`kenlyric`	`content is always very polished. Scripts are not.`
`18:24.39`	`Fix[EJ]`	`exactly`
`18:24.50`	`Fix[EJ]`	`when you have shitty raid testers, you can't test numbers`
`18:24.59`	`chiper`	`gotcha`
`18:25.03`	`Fix[EJ]`	`but you can test phase changes / skills and abilities properly working`
`18:25.07`	`dylanm`	`Thus the PTRs :p`
`18:25.08`	`chiper`	`"encounter is working as planned"`
`18:25.29`	`dylanm`	`But those sort of remove the magic of the thing, I feel.`
`18:25.43`	`Apoco`	`everytime a GM yells at me for killing people from rooftops where guards dont get me`
`18:25.49`	`Apoco`	`I respond with "Working as intended"`
`18:26.03`	`Apoco`	`and they typically laugh and go away`
`18:26.08`	`kenlyric`	`and then enjoy your wow vacation?`
`18:26.13`	`Apoco`	`nah`
`18:26.17`	`Apoco`	`I've never been banned for it`
`18:26.39`	`vhaarr`	`what removes the magic is item datamining`
`18:26.39`	`dylanm`	`Send him a raid icon smiley.`
`18:26.47`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`18:26.51`	`vhaarr`	`not the PTR`
`18:27.09`	`dylanm`	vhaarr: I guess that's true. But Bibi` has to eat somehow.
`18:27.09`	`kenlyric`	`there's magic in items?`
`18:27.13`	`kenlyric`	`lootwhore`
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`18:27.39`	`vhaarr`	`it's not about lootwhoring, it's about getting the "wow" factor with your group`
`18:27.48`	`vhaarr`	`not when reading about it on a website alone`
`18:28.04`	`Fix[EJ]`	`it would be cool to not know about the legendary bow before it drops for your own raid group`
`18:28.13`	`Apoco`	`or atleast drops for someone`
`18:28.16`	`kenlyric`	`I tend to find the wow is from the dead boss, not the sparklies`
`18:28.22`	`Fix[EJ]`	`but really, the fun for me (and most of the people I know) is actually the learning of the encounters`
`18:28.22`	`Fix[EJ]`	`yeah`
`18:28.24`	`vhaarr`	`kenlyric: I'm saying both`
`18:28.25`	`Apoco`	`You raid for loot. Period`
`18:28.34`	`Apoco`	`if there were boss mobs with no loot you wouldnt kill them`
`18:28.35`	`dylanm`	`Fix[EJ]: Yeah that's where I'm coming from.`
`18:28.36`	`Apoco`	`Look @ vanguard`
`18:28.43`	`Fix[EJ]`	`I mean, don't get me wrong, I love loot -- who doesn't`
`18:28.56`	`kenlyric`	`Apoco: if I could advance without it I would.`
`18:29.01`	`Fix[EJ]`	`but getting loot isn't whats fun -- its the downing bosses that is`
`18:29.04`	`vhaarr`	`I'm not saying loot is more important, I'm just saying that datamining for items and putting them on display takes some of the magic away for me because it removes the group "wow" factor when we actually loot the boss`
`18:29.15`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Loot just allows you to see bigger numbers and execute strats with less refinement`
`18:29.16`	`vhaarr`	`which, when we kill a new boss, is often more than a minute after the actual kill`
`18:29.21`	`dylanm`	`I mean it's kind of silly when everyone else in your raid has some video of Vis Maior killing this shit on the PTR like a month ago.`
`18:29.26`	`kenlyric`	`there's still a wow factor`
`18:29.37`	`kenlyric`	`WOW, WARRIOR BOOTS AGAIN`
`18:29.42`	`kenlyric`	`thanks, rng!`
`18:29.58`	`dylanm`	`But there's really nothing to be done about that.`
`18:30.00`	`kenlyric`	`in other words, looting is mostly depressing :)`
`18:30.04`	`vhaarr`	`everybody is so into this "rng" thing`
`18:30.10`	`dylanm`	`You'd really have to turn on the blinders.`
`18:30.11`	`kenlyric`	`for 80% of your raid`
`18:30.15`	`Apoco`	`rwar`
`18:30.17`	`dylanm`	`For 25 people.`
`18:30.18`	`vhaarr`	`I saw a druid complaining that he lost a duel because of a random number generator mistake`
`18:30.18`	`Apoco`	`bigwigs > rbm port ftw`
`18:30.27`	`nevcairiel`	`Saroz: ping`
`18:30.32`	`chiper`	`especially when you get left out the raid because they dont need a healer, and then while listening all that drops is healing gear that gets DEd`
`18:30.39`	`Fix[EJ]`	`heh`
`18:30.40`	`vhaarr`	`"if you had not resisted my war stomp/root/whatever", etc`
`18:30.45`	`chiper`	`that's quite heartbreaking`
`18:30.45`	`vhaarr`	`"fucking rng"`
`18:30.52`	`Fix[EJ]`	`de'ing stuff is old`
`18:30.57`	`Fix[EJ]`	`it should all go offspec anyways!`
`18:31.03`	`dylanm`	`It's certainly overused in conversation.`
`18:31.15`	`Apoco`	`does anyone else get a line on the left and top part of their screen`
`18:31.16`	`Apoco`	`since 2.4`
`18:31.21`	`dylanm`	`Fix[EJ]: Plus you can make your armory look hilarious.`
`18:31.28`	`nevcairiel`	`not really Apoco, no :)`
`18:32.01`	`nevcairiel`	`Saroz: can has another GUI Element for usage in the advanced status elements, a little square indicator box for example, that i can stuff my aggro alert in? would be perfect :)`
`18:32.08`	`kenlyric`	`my point in using it is that I lost my loot WoW factor in MC because it was more frustrating than gratifying to even think about loot.`
`18:32.10`	`nevcairiel`	`Saroz: like one of the buff buttons, or something`
`18:32.13`	`chiper`	`I'm just pouting because I finally got my healer to 70 right as the guild dissolved the only kara group I could attend. so now I cant gear her up`
`18:32.57`	`dylanm`	`Try and find some people who are doing it for the badges.`
`18:33.17`	`chiper`	`uhg, pugs. no thanks`
`18:33.26`	`dylanm`	`Overgeared pugs preferably.`
`18:33.33`	`chiper`	`I'd rather let her sit idle than bang my head on a wall for five hours`
`18:33.43`	`kenlyric`	`overgeared pugs won't invite you`
`18:33.53`	`chiper`	`ken: exactly`
`18:33.59`	`kenlyric`	`they're not running a charity`
`18:34.07`	`Kemayo`	`I leech of my wife, who is uber.`
`18:34.08`	`kenlyric`	`they may do it for gold though`
`18:34.11`	`Kemayo`	`s/of/off/`
`18:34.34`	`dylanm`	`Kemayo: Right, I'm hoping that he has some buddies or something :-/`
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`18:35.14`	`stew_a`	`testing`
`18:35.22`	`Kemayo`	`It didn't work/`
`18:35.29`	`Kemayo`	`So sad. Too bad.`
`18:35.43`	`chiper`	`hopefully I'll get a new job soon. it'd be ncie to have time on weekdays`
`18:36.10`	`Industrial`	`Whats the mod that does the graphs and shit of DPS/other stats? recount?`
`18:36.17`	`chiper`	`yes`
`18:36.17`	`dylanm`	`Recount, yeah.`
`18:36.22`	`Industrial`	`oeky`
`18:36.39`	`Industrial`	`I see Recount and Recount2, which do I get`
`18:36.50`	`Dashkal`	`1, 2 is in progress`
`18:36.56`	`Industrial`	`kay`
`18:37.12`	`Dashkal`	`(unless I missed the big announcement, anyway :p )`
`18:37.38`	`Saroz`	`nevcairiel, hrrrm`
`18:37.43`	`Apoco`	`http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3017/sillylinebv3.jpg`
`18:37.47`	`Saroz`	`nevcairiel, should be simple`
`18:37.52`	`Apoco`	`look @ what I'm talking about`
`18:37.56`	`Saroz`	`nevcairiel, make a mod! :D`
`18:38.05`	`Apoco`	`its always a random color, and its only when my camera is at certain angles`
`18:38.31`	`dylanm`	`Apoco: That's weird!`
`18:38.45`	`fry`	`Apoco: What was the name of that inspect command again?`
`18:39.06`	`CIA-40`	`03saroz * r72342 10sRaidFrames/ (sRaidFrames.lua sRaidFramesOptions.lua): sRaidFrames: Add option to disable select status indicators`
`18:39.11`	`chiper`	`apoco: I used to get that sort of thing all the time pre-BC`
`18:39.27`	`chiper`	`I trimmed it off by altering the viewport`
`18:39.42`	`Apoco`	`what inspect command?`
`18:39.43`	`Apoco`	`>_>`
`18:39.50`	`Apoco`	`./inspect?`
`18:40.02`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Yap`
`18:40.41`	`Apoco`	`lol`
`18:40.43`	`fry`	`er, no sorry, I ment the one that basically inspects a table and prints it nicely layouted, like the stuff in your right chat window. I might have forgotten something inbetween, but I have a vague memory of something like that :v`
`18:40.58`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Apoco: 95fps in shatt, wtb your computer :[`
`18:41.03`	`nevcairiel`	`Saroz: meh, guess i'll look into doing that :P`
`18:41.26`	`Saroz`	`nevcairiel, should be simple tbh`
`18:41.28`	`Apoco`	`the command is /echo`
`18:41.35`	`Apoco`	`but I'm using debug()`
`18:41.39`	`Apoco`	`no slash command`
`18:41.42`	`fry`	`ah!`
`18:41.43`	`fry`	`thanks!`
`18:41.50`	`fry`	`woop`
`18:41.57`	`nevcairiel`	`i bet it is, just have to find out where it uses the stuff`
`18:41.59`	`Apoco`	`np`
`18:42.04`	`Vulcanus`	`there's also this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999`
`18:42.16`	`Apoco`	`Fix[EJ]: I get over 150 when I'm not in windowed mode with photoshop running`
`18:42.29`	`CIA-40`	`03arcanefoam * r72343 10DHUD2/ (auras.lua core.lua embeds.xml layout.lua):`
`18:42.29`	`CIA-40`	`DHUD2:`
`18:42.29`	`CIA-40`	`-Totem functionality revised and working`
`18:42.29`	`CIA-40`	`-Yet another external fix`
`18:42.29`	`CIA-40`	`-Dropdown menu will work when you target your self`
`18:42.33`	`Saroz`	`nevcairiel, hrm, or maybe it wont, will look into it too`
`18:42.56`	`nevcairiel`	`if your code is good, it shouldnt be too hard! :)`
`18:42.57`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Apoco: ugh...I don't get it. quad core 2.4ghz, 3gb of ram and an 8800gt`
`18:43.04`	`Fix[EJ]`	`and I don't get over 60 in shatt`
`18:43.07`	`Apoco`	`8800GT is your problem`
`18:43.11`	`nevcairiel`	`just a new texture frame to color`
`18:43.23`	`nevcairiel`	`and some logic to apply the color`
`18:43.23`	`Apoco`	`Core2 Duo e6600,4 gigs of ram, x1950`
`18:43.54`	`Saroz`	`nevcairiel, true, might need some core changes for the API to be good, but that's np`
`18:44.26`	`Vulcanus`	`Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.0 GHz, 4GB PC8500 DDR-2 RAM and a 7900GTX, I have 30 fps in shatt and 50+ everywhere else ;o gonna get a HD 3780 X2 and a 24" monitor soon tho`
`18:44.26`	`Fix[EJ]`	`is the video card really the bottleneck?`
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`18:44.39`	`Apoco`	`probably`
`18:44.43`	`AckisWork`	`I have a better PC than you it seems you get better framerates`
`18:44.48`	`nevcairiel`	`the 8800gt should be fine, i get alot of fps on my 8800GTS`
`18:44.54`	`Apoco`	`nVidia has horrible drivers`
`18:45.04`	`Vulcanus`	`nvidia sucks balls at vista drivers`
`18:45.07`	`Apoco`	`btw my settings are all maxed too`
`18:45.07`	`Saroz`	`got 8800GTS too, nice`
`18:45.11`	`Apoco`	`I even raid that way`
`18:45.12`	`Apoco`	`~_~`
`18:45.13`	`purl`	`:/`
`18:45.25`	`Fix[EJ]`	`yeah, its fairly annoying`
`18:45.25`	`Apoco`	`only fight I turn spell details down for is Shah`
`18:45.27`	`nevcairiel`	`ATI users say that nvidia has crap drivers? dont mind me laughing :P`
`18:45.35`	`AckisWork`	`quad core, 2x500 gig drives in a raid array, 8800 ultra, and 4 gigs of ram =/`
`18:45.54`	`Fix[EJ]`	`I try to fraps stuff and its painful dropping to 20-25fps in arenas/SWP fights`
`18:46.13`	`Vulcanus`	`nev: what's wrong with ati drivers? a mate of mine has hd3780 512mb and he gets 120 fps in shatt`
`18:46.14`	`Fix[EJ]`	`especially when my computer is by no means bad :[`
`18:46.17`	`Saroz`	`ATI is shit`
`18:46.20`	`Apoco`	`I dont get 90 in sunwell fights`
`18:46.25`	`Apoco`	`I usually get around 20-30`
`18:46.39`	`Apoco`	`but thats with windowed mode and all my background processes running`
`18:46.43`	`Apoco`	`and usually a video of some sort`
`18:46.45`	`nevcairiel`	`Vulcanus: i can get 300 fps if i config my system for that, but i prefer having perfect looks :)`
`18:47.07`	`Vulcanus`	`so ati is worse with detail, is that what you're saying? Ive never had ati so I dunno`
`18:47.45`	`chiper`	`uhm, what resolution are you lot running at? apoco's only at 1280x1024`
`18:48.23`	`Vulcanus`	`same for me, will move up to truehd once I get my new monitor tho`
`18:48.24`	`nevcairiel`	`Vulcanus: nah i'm saying that anyone can get very high fps if he turns all details off`
`18:48.33`	`kenlyric`	`only?`
`18:48.36`	`Vulcanus`	`ah, my mate ran his at absolute max tho`
`18:48.37`	`*** join/#wowace DarkElf (n=Dark_Elf@ip173.net253.mw.net)`
`18:49.00`	`Vulcanus`	`and the rest of his comp is similar to mine only he has dual core at 2.6 ghz instead of my quad at 3`
`18:49.05`	`Apoco`	`chiper: http://www.alkaspace.com/free/view_image/1b58a1120/WoWScrnShot_050108_144105.jpg http://www.alkaspace.com/free/view_image/a49d71155/WoWScrnShot_050108_144053.jpg`
`18:49.09`	`nevcairiel`	`plus, a smart game engine automatically turns some features on/off depending on hardware support`
`18:49.25`	`Apoco`	`its the rendered area that gets the lines`
`18:49.29`	`Apoco`	`not the unrendered`
`18:49.30`	`Apoco`	`:(`
`18:49.41`	`chiper`	`apoco: I meant that I bumped it up and left one pixel`
`18:49.47`	`Apoco`	`ah`
`18:49.55`	`Apoco`	`and btw I look badass as a bloodelf`
`18:49.55`	`chiper`	`so that the line was off the screen`
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`18:54.09`	`chiper`	`has anyone else noticed water textures missing in stormwind?`
`18:54.14`	`CIA-40`	`03zhinjio * r72344 10/branches/SKG/ (SKG_Comm.lua SKG_UtilityFunctions.lua):`
`18:54.14`	`CIA-40`	`SuicideKingsGeo :`
`18:54.14`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:54.44`	`Hjalte`	`Elsia: I've just joined the raid now and reset the meter when I entered the instance. I wonder if that first initial reset can cause any trouble.`
`18:54.46`	`chiper`	`like here http://gallery.chipersoft.com/v/WoW/someoneForgotTheWater.jpg.html`
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`18:58.16`	`CIA-40`	`03zhinjio * r72345 10/branches/SKG/ (SKG.toc SKG_GUI_Security.lua):`
`18:58.16`	`CIA-40`	`SuicideKingsGeo :`
`18:58.16`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:59.52`	`Elsia`	`Hjalte: shouldn't really`
`19:00.10`	`CIA-40`	`03saroz * r72346 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: sRaidFrames: Add :RegisterStatusElement`
`19:01.41`	`AckisWork`	`Saroz: Make PoM show up please! <3 lol`
`19:02.23`	`Dashkal`	`ok, did the wow US blues take a vacation today as well?`
`19:02.36`	`AckisWork`	`I hate blues :(`
`19:02.39`	`AckisWork`	`they banned me`
`19:02.41`	`AckisWork`	`bastards`
`19:02.59`	`Dashkal`	`heh, I don't post there often. The forums themselves are a cesspool`
`19:03.14`	`Dashkal`	`I just like getting tidbits before mmo-champion posts them`
`19:03.56`	`AckisWork`	`I submitted a ticket, and the GM filed a complaint against me about something I said in party chat which no one reported, so I complained about it and they 3 hour banned my acct and perma banned my other account because I posted on it during that ban`
`19:04.14`	`AckisWork`	`fucking retarded that they link two separate contracts together`
`19:04.46`	`nevcairiel`	`ban evading is a serious offense, i would have done the same`
`19:05.02`	`Dashkal`	`if they don't want ban evading they should be banning all accounts at the same time always`
`19:05.09`	`AckisWork`	`exactly`
`19:05.18`	`nevcairiel`	`this way is more fun =)`
`19:05.32`	`Dashkal`	`eh, it's just waiting for someone with enough money to get bored and sue`
`19:05.35`	`AckisWork`	`it's two separate contracts that they're linking together, really retarded`
`19:06.13`	`Dashkal`	`though I'm pretty sure it's _not_ two contracts. I think there's a cause in there than binds them together`
`19:06.28`	`Dashkal`	`That's what gives them the "right" to ban both`
`19:06.31`	`AckisWork`	`it also makes me laugh when people QQ about people selling accounts and it being "against" the ToS... hey moron, I'm not playing anymore, I'm not bound by the ToS`
`19:06.42`	`Saroz`	`PoM?`
`19:06.44`	`kenlyric`	`no, they expect you to not be a shithead`
`19:06.49`	`AckisWork`	`Saroz: Prayer of Mending`
`19:06.49`	`kenlyric`	`if you're a shithead, then they do more work.`
`19:06.56`	`Saroz`	`AckisWork, ah`
`19:07.04`	`kenlyric`	`it works the same in any internet venue`
`19:07.38`	`Dashkal`	`Selling accounts is selling property you don't own. ToS doesn't actually have anything to do with it`
`19:07.43`	`*** join/#wowace [Liquidor] (n=denras19@fw-tk-1.ruc.dk)`
`19:07.47`	`[Liquidor]`	`Hi everyone :-)`
`19:07.51`	`AckisWork`	`Being a shithead = asking for e-mail addresses? not really :P`
`19:08.10`	`chiper`	`I think it's more a long the lines of sub-letting`
`19:08.15`	`stew_a`	`Is there a way to change the file that the combat/chat log is logged to, or are they fixed?`
`19:08.31`	`AckisWork`	`Dashkal: not when you're selling the time you invested into it, and now that line is really blurred if you have TCG items on your character since you're allowed to buy those`
`19:08.34`	`Apoco`	`~Cartographer3`
`19:08.34`	`purl`	`from memory, cartographer3 is the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at git://gitorious.org/cartographer3/mainline.git or http://gitorious.org/projects/cartographer3/repos/mainline/archive/master.tar.gz (rename the extracted folder Cartographer3) - Provide feedback at jira.wowace.com in the Cartographer3 component. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523`
`19:08.35`	`Dashkal`	`Oh if you have a good enough laywer you could probably find a way to make it legal, but they have a dead-man's switch in the contract that lets them terminate at will`
`19:08.46`	`chiper`	`when you get an account, you're renting time on their servers. selling that account is akin to sub-leasing your rental`
`19:08.50`	`[Liquidor]`	`Just cleaned my laptop. Had 3gb of crapware :]`
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`19:09.03`	`Dashkal`	`subletting is a "real" property issue`
`19:09.12`	`Dashkal`	`doesn't necessarally apply in the digital world`
`19:09.23`	`chiper`	`servers are real`
`19:09.27`	`nevcairiel`	`some of their legal docs states that selling your account is not allowed and r esults in banning of said account, and they have every right to ban your account whenever they want anyway =P`
`19:09.27`	`Dashkal`	`certainly could be argued, though. anybody rich and \bored?`
`19:09.38`	`AckisWork`	`it would be interesting to see what would happen if the gov't started taxing virtual goods`
`19:10.03`	`Dashkal`	`nevcairiel: That can be argued as well. Some jurisdictions do not allow arbratrary termination of a contract even if there's a clause in the contract`
`19:10.09`	`chiper`	`nev: yeah, it does some down to that. you're paying them for a service, and they have the right to refuse that service`
`19:10.17`	`chiper`	`and, in turn, refuse your money`
`19:10.19`	`Dashkal`	`meaning they cannot just ban you without repayment of some sort`
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`19:10.32`	`Dashkal`	`ie refunding the current pay period`
`19:10.43`	`chiper`	`true`
`19:10.52`	`nevcairiel`	`they can delete your char and cancel your accoutn to next date :)`
`19:10.58`	`AckisWork`	`Dashkal: if you could proove that you're working on the account as an investment... hmmm :P`
`19:11.02`	`Dashkal`	`at the end of a period, absolutely :p`
`19:11.11`	`Dashkal`	`but this all depends on jurisdiction and case law`
`19:11.16`	`Dashkal`	`and I'm not a laywer :p`
`19:11.27`	`nevcairiel`	`I bet they have good lawyers :P`
`19:11.53`	`Dashkal`	`they try to claim it's all in cali, but some jursidictions do not honor that clause either (meaning blizzard would be considered to be doing business under that jurisdiction's law regardless of the clause that says it's in cali)`
`19:12.02`	`AckisWork`	`I would think vivendi would have the good lawyers`
`19:12.39`	`Dashkal`	`A good laywer only takes you so far if the judge isn't corrupt and cares about the case :p`
`19:12.41`	`DarkElf`	`and since they merged with activision they probably have better lawyers`
`19:13.04`	`Dashkal`	`but really, about the best you could get out of such a case is a refund of your remaining time, so why would it be worth the effort`
`19:13.23`	`AckisWork`	`that's why I brought up the investment concept earlier :P`
`19:13.28`	`Dashkal`	`heh`
`19:13.38`	`AckisWork`	`that would be interesting to see in the courts`
`19:13.41`	`nevcairiel`	`I dont think you can argue that to a judge :P`
`19:13.41`	`Dashkal`	`that would be`
`19:14.17`	`Dashkal`	`well, that's not entirely true, nevcairiel. If the IRS really does start taxing real world gains from the game (selling gold), that adds some legitimacy to the indistury. Blizzard should be fighting that tooth and nail`
`19:14.20`	`CIA-40`	`03stormfx * r72347 10ButtonFacade_Onyx/ (13 files in 3 dirs):`
`19:14.20`	`CIA-40`	`ButtonFacade_Onyx:`
`19:14.20`	`CIA-40`	`- Initial commit.`
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`19:14.35`	`nevcairiel`	`selling gold is against their rules as well`
`19:14.37`	`Dashkal`	`If it's taxed, it's legal :p`
`19:14.42`	`Dashkal`	`and law trumps contract`
`19:14.59`	`AckisWork`	`I also mentioned that earlier :P`
`19:16.11`	`Apoco`	`Thats not true`
`19:16.17`	`Apoco`	`death is taxed but suicide is illegal`
`19:16.21`	`nevcairiel`	`remember them sueing peons4hire?`
`19:16.22`	`Dashkal`	`heh`
`19:16.30`	`Dashkal`	`I remember. And I'm so glad they did`
`19:16.42`	`Dashkal`	`That company was responsibile for about half the spam I was seeing`
`19:16.48`	`AckisWork`	`now it's susan =/`
`19:16.59`	`Dashkal`	`It'll only get murky if the IRS makes it "legitimate".`
`19:17.08`	`Apoco`	`but its child week! and they thank us for their support!`
`19:17.09`	`Dashkal`	`Suddenly the black market goes grey`
`19:17.54`	`AckisWork`	`Dashkal: doesn't have to be the IRS, can be any jurisdiction`
`19:17.59`	`CIA-40`	`03stormfx * r72348 10ButtonFacade_Onyx/ (ButtonFacade_Onyx.toc ReadMe.txt Skins.lua):`
`19:17.59`	`CIA-40`	`ButtonFacade_Onyx:`
`19:17.59`	`CIA-40`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:18.04`	`Dashkal`	`I was using the IRS as an example`
`19:18.06`	`AckisWork`	`ie: Canadian feds, France, etc`
`19:18.24`	`Dashkal`	`But any country taxing it would make it grey only for that country.`
`19:18.26`	`CIA-40`	`03whyv * r72349 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/ (GeneralPvP.cn.lua GeneralPvP.tw.lua):`
`19:18.26`	`CIA-40`	`AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:`
`19:18.26`	`CIA-40`	`- update zhTW, zhCN`
`19:18.35`	`Dashkal`	`US being special since blizzard is based there`
`19:18.45`	`AckisWork`	`correct`
`19:19.20`	`Dashkal`	`I rather hope the IRS backs down for any game that forbids real world exchange. (SL should be taxed, it encourages real cash exchange).`
`19:19.30`	`Dashkal`	`I don't want that getting murky, I like my lessened spam :p`
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`19:20.28`	`nevcairiel`	`only spam i see is in the major citys in azeroth, mostly on ironforge, in the AH or bank`
`19:20.31`	`nevcairiel`	`and only in say`
`19:20.35`	`nevcairiel`	`thats acceptable really .P`
`19:20.41`	`Dashkal`	`I get it in tells and general often now`
`19:20.45`	`AckisWork`	`I get /tells and trade chat too`
`19:20.54`	`Dashkal`	`compromised accounts are turned into spam zombies`
`19:21.03`	`nevcairiel`	`thats new`
`19:21.06`	`nevcairiel`	`didnt get that yet`
`19:21.14`	`Dashkal`	`I'm guessing that's where the accounts are comming from`
`19:21.23`	`Dashkal`	`I really don't see these people buying game boxes`
`19:21.56`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`19:22.12`	`Zhinjio`	`try hanging out on a non-level-70 toon.`
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`19:22.25`	`Zhinjio`	`I get "want help levelling" spam about.... once every 30-45 minutes`
`19:22.43`	`wagoff`	`anyone know of a swing timer addon aside from quartz?`
`19:22.45`	`Zhinjio`	`especially midnight-6am.`
`19:23.13`	`Hjalte`	`Elsia: I just had another recount user go missing on me right now. I've taken a screenshot of it and I can link you the WWS afterwards.`
`19:23.48`	`*** part/#wowace kagaro (n=washu@12.38.10.178)`
`19:23.51`	`Dashkal`	`Here's a question to ponder: Given that blizzard claims complete ownership over your accounts, toons, gear, and such. Could you actually sue someone for steaming your account?`
`19:24.07`	`Dashkal`	`stealing*`
`19:24.19`	`AckisWork`	`prove it's an investment ;)`
`19:24.53`	`Dashkal`	`I think I could make an argument along the lines of "He frustrated my ability to enjoy the benifits of my contract with blizzard"`
`19:25.00`	`Hjalte`	`Oh, killing myself on RoS feels bad :(`
`19:25.16`	`Hjalte`	`I was a naughty warlock and had CoA up as well on phase 2.`
`19:25.29`	`Dashkal`	`I fail at acronyms... RoS?`
`19:25.41`	`Vulcanus`	`reliquary of souls`
`19:25.54`	`Dashkal`	`click`
`19:25.57`	`Dashkal`	`danke`
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`19:29.48`	`Dashkal`	`Wow, they wern't kidding. The s4 druid gear is amazingly ugly`
`19:30.23`	`Dashkal`	`wtb recolored s1?`
`19:31.13`	`Keias`	`I thought the hunter s4 was the worst`
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`19:31.54`	`Dashkal`	`clicks wow`
`19:31.56`	`Dashkal`	`you might be right on that`
`19:35.15`	`AckisWork`	`~seen jayhawk`
`19:35.39`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'jayhawk', AckisWork`
`19:35.39`	`AckisWork`	`do I fail at using purl?`
`19:35.55`	`AckisWork`	`ok, I guess I'm just lagging or something bleh`
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`19:36.45`	`Dashkal`	`purl is kinda slow with ~seen`
`19:36.47`	`Dashkal`	`~seen dashkal`
`19:36.48`	`purl`	`dashkal is currently on #wowace (2h 38m 1s) #curseforge (2h 38m 1s). Has said a total of 64 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen dashkal'.`
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`19:37.17`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v Nechckn] by ChanServ`
`19:37.29`	`Dashkal`	`probably has a pretty large database of people it's seen given how many channels it lurks in`
`19:46.25`	`Xinhuan`	`<Dashkal> Here's a question to ponder: Given that blizzard claims complete ownership over your accounts, toons, gear, and such. Could you actually sue someone for steaming your account?`
`19:46.46`	`Xinhuan`	`you can't sue someone for stealing the account since it isn't yours, BUT you can sue him for stealing your account password`
`19:47.09`	`Dashkal`	`could you? Your password was never stolen, it was just discovered without authorization`
`19:47.10`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e gaining illegal access`
`19:47.20`	`Xinhuan`	`depends on how you lost it`
`19:47.24`	`Dashkal`	`Blizzard could sue for that, I don't think you could`
`19:47.35`	`Xinhuan`	`if you told someone your password, you can't exactly sue him`
`19:47.36`	`Dashkal`	`ahh, for compromising your personal computer. Yeah, that could work`
`19:48.30`	`Dashkal`	`ok, for the sake of argument, assume blizzard doesn't encrypt the stream and the password is lifted as it passes through your ISP`
`19:50.23`	`Toadkiller`	`Dashkal: Theft is theft. If you can find the culprit you can sue them for damages.`
`19:50.40`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: If blizzard owns everything, were you the victim of theft?`
`19:50.45`	`Dashkal`	`You don't own anything related to your account`
`19:51.10`	`Dashkal`	`They harp on that point in their effort to control gold selling and such`
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`19:52.03`	`Xinhuan`	`theft is theft.. its just a matter of who gets the compensation`
`19:52.40`	`Dashkal`	`Oh I'm certain blizzard could sue. The question I posed is if you could`
`19:53.49`	`Zeksie`	`Fisker- pong`
`19:54.12`	`Toadkiller`	`Blah blah blah. The point is george dun stole my account by hacking into it. Same way george gets nailed for hacking phising whatever my bank account he gets nailed for stealing my Wow account. There is money involved. Contract law kicks in at the point any money whatsoever changes hands. The only thing that can screw you is if Blizzard refuses to acknowledge the theft. In that case u are as screwed as the guy who own`
`19:54.59`	`Dashkal`	`Apples to oranges. You own the money in your bank account. Blizzard owns the gold on your toon`
`19:55.35`	`Dashkal`	`About the only thing you can claim to own on your account is the exclusive right to use it (and even that's not true, blizzard can take over at will)`
`19:56.33`	`Toadkiller`	`No, the domain name sex.com is completely virtual and was in complete possession by ican. They screwed up & let some convict steal it. It took like 6 or more years for the legitimate owner to finally make ican give it back. Ditto for the attempt to get compensation. The court finally gave him damages & now his in a collection fiasco`
`19:57.17`	`Dashkal`	`again, you can "own" (have the actual right of exclusive control of) a domain. Blizzard doesn't actually grant that. What they do is grant access and forbid you the right to allow others to use it.`
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`19:58.18`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, wtf.`
`19:58.24`	`Zhinjio`	`lua> math.random( 10, 20 )`
`19:58.25`	`lua_bot`	`Zhinjio: 19`
`19:58.26`	`Zhinjio`	`lua> math.random( 10, 20 )`
`19:58.27`	`lua_bot`	`Zhinjio: 19`
`19:58.28`	`Zhinjio`	`lua> math.random( 10, 20 )`
`19:58.28`	`lua_bot`	`Zhinjio: 19`
`19:58.37`	`Zhinjio`	`Do I need to reseed after EACH request?`
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`19:58.59`	`Toadkiller`	`Who cares about the Eula. The dispute is as follows: 1) can I prove to Blizzard's satisfaction that I am the owner of the account? No? Ok u are screwed, shoulda kept the cd. Yes? Ok get account back then go to step 2: sue george.`
`19:59.21`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> math.randomseed(3843)`
`19:59.21`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: No output`
`19:59.27`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> math.random( 10, 20 )`
`19:59.28`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: 19`
`19:59.29`	`Herio`	`I have an amazing idea for an addon... next to the "have materials" check box, have a "matches will be traded"`
`19:59.29`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> math.random( 10, 20 )`
`19:59.30`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: 19`
`19:59.31`	`nevcairiel`	`wtf`
`19:59.44`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm getting the same behavior in-game too`
`19:59.50`	`Dashkal`	`The contract (unless I'm mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong) includes compliance with the EULA among its terms, so it counts.`
`19:59.56`	`AckisWork`	`lol rolling 19's?`
`19:59.57`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> math.random(10) + 10`
`19:59.57`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: 19`
`20:00.02`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> math.random(10)`
`20:00.02`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: 9`
`20:00.02`	`krka`	`lua> math.randomseed(3843) for i = 1, 100 do math.random(10, 20) end return math.random(10, 20)`
`20:00.02`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 14`
`20:00.06`	`Vulcanus`	`wtf XD`
`20:00.10`	`krka`	`lua> return math.random(10, 20)`
`20:00.10`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 19`
`20:00.12`	`krka`	`lua> return math.random(10, 20)`
`20:00.12`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 19`
`20:00.16`	`Dashkal`	`But again, the murky bit is the ownership of the account. You don't own the account, you are party to a contract that grants access to that account.`
`20:00.22`	`Zhinjio`	`thats freaking awesome.`
`20:00.26`	`Vulcanus`	`that's about as random as Big Ben`
`20:00.28`	`ANTRat`	`lua> math.randomeed(123) math.random(10,20)`
`20:00.28`	`lua_bot`	`ANTRat: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'randomeed' (a nil value)`
`20:00.35`	`ANTRat`	`lua> math.randomseed(123) math.random(10,20)`
`20:00.35`	`lua_bot`	`ANTRat: No output`
`20:00.42`	`nevcairiel`	`that needs a return`
`20:00.43`	`ANTRat`	`i dont know lua much lol`
`20:00.44`	`AckisWork`	`Zhinjio: are you doing random 10 20 in game and getting 19s?`
`20:00.53`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> math.randomseed(123); return math.random(10,20)`
`20:00.54`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: 10`
`20:00.54`	`Zhinjio`	`well, no... much larger numbers`
`20:00.55`	`Vulcanus`	`lua> return math.random(10, 20)`
`20:00.56`	`lua_bot`	`Vulcanus: 19`
`20:01.04`	`Toadkiller`	`Dashkal, you are incorrect about the domain name thing. The guy "OWNED" sex.com yet some convict (from prison even i think) used a social exploit to steal it from him. There was no ownership of virtual property at the time so the case is famous not only for establishing such a right but in bein sex.com & having crazy gun battles in Mexico and other drama`
`20:01.10`	`krka`	`it seems to reset the seed?`
`20:01.19`	`nevcairiel`	`I guess clads lua sandbox resets the seed`
`20:01.24`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: mmm, I stand corrected.`
`20:01.25`	`Zhinjio`	`it doesn't seem to matter whether I use seed or not`
`20:01.28`	`*** join/#wowace Ellipsis (n=ellipsis@97-113-12-2.tukw.qwest.net)`
`20:01.32`	`Zhinjio`	`I always get the same value back`
`20:01.55`	`krka`	`local hash = 0 for i = 1, 100 do hash = hash + math.random() end return hash`
`20:01.58`	`krka`	`lua> local hash = 0 for i = 1, 100 do hash = hash + math.random() end return hash`
`20:01.58`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 54.68248098096`
`20:02.02`	`krka`	`lua> local hash = 0 for i = 1, 100 do hash = hash + math.random() end return hash`
`20:02.02`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 54.68248098096`
`20:02.08`	`Dashkal`	`But the case does not necessarally (it may, it's just not clearcut) apply to the case of warcraft accounts. Blizzard explicitly claims ownership over the virtual assets contained by your toons.`
`20:02.24`	`Toadkiller`	`Anyway, if you want to believe theft is all right in America (btw I am speaking for America, not another country) that is certainly your right. Just don't cry if you steal an account, get cought and go to jail or have to pay a fine.`
`20:02.32`	`Zhinjio`	`ok ... I understand.`
`20:02.33`	`nevcairiel`	`well lua's random function is defined as returning the same sequence for the same seed`
`20:02.37`	`Dashkal`	`Oh hell no, this is a thought experiment :p`
`20:02.58`	`nevcairiel`	`so if lua_bot launches a complete new lua instance for every command`
`20:03.01`	`Dashkal`	`And I keep my password as safe as I can to keep from getting it hacked in the first place`
`20:03.05`	`nevcairiel`	`which starts with the initial seed`
`20:03.08`	`nevcairiel`	`that makes sense`
`20:03.13`	`krka`	`lua> math.randomseed(0) local hash = 0 for i = 1, 100 do hash = hash + math.random() end return hash`
`20:03.14`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 54.68248098096`
`20:03.20`	`krka`	`lua> math.randomseed(1) local hash = 0 for i = 1, 100 do hash = hash + math.random() end return hash`
`20:03.20`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 54.68248098096`
`20:03.25`	`krka`	`lua> math.randomseed(1123123) local hash = 0 for i = 1, 100 do hash = hash + math.random() end return hash`
`20:03.25`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 53.183211630761`
`20:03.30`	`Toadkiller`	`Ok heres a thought experimment for you: imagine going b4 a judge and telling him you dun stole something but its "virtual" so therefore he should find you innocent.`
`20:03.35`	`Zhinjio`	`I get it now.`
`20:03.38`	`krka`	`lua> math.randomseed(231231231231123123) local hash = 0 for i = 1, 100 do hash = hash + math.random() end return hash`
`20:03.39`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 47.368908634581`
`20:03.47`	`Dashkal`	`I'd go before the judge and claim he didn't own the property in the first place so can claim no harm.`
`20:04.04`	`Dashkal`	`I'm not doubting that there is property, just that the victim owned it.`
`20:04.13`	`krka`	`lua> math.randomseed(231231231231123123) local hash = 1 for i = 1, 100 do hash = hash * 2 * math.random() end return hash`
`20:04.14`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 4.5666313988454e-15`
`20:04.25`	`Dashkal`	`in all cases, Blizzard themselves could sue.`
`20:04.29`	`krka`	`lua> math.randomseed(231234234231231231123123) local hash = 1 for i = 1, 100 do hash = hash * 2 * math.random() end return hash`
`20:04.30`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 4.2936779677395e-07`
`20:05.00`	`*** join/#wowace aestil (n=holycall@cpe-72-129-96-142.socal.res.rr.com)`
`20:05.17`	`Zhinjio`	`my values were too large.`
`20:05.20`	`Toadkiller`	`Again, as I mentioned, if Blizzard acknowledges the claim then you are hosed. I print out my email from Blizzard where they acknowledge the theft and rectify it. the judge looks at it and throws the book at you because u are dumb.`
`20:05.21`	`Zhinjio`	`tht was the problem.`
`20:06.17`	`Dashkal`	`shake Blizzard cannot acknowledge a theft of property. That would undermine their cases against gold sellers. They can acknwoledge an unauthorized access to your account that resulted in a frustration of your ability to make use of your contract with blizzard phew.`
`20:06.44`	`Dashkal`	`Blizzard's case against gold sellers is that they are selling property that they do not own`
`20:07.11`	`Toadkiller`	`Dude for christs sake, we already have laws on the books against phising and stealing passwords using keyloggers or whatever...`
`20:07.21`	`Fix[EJ]`	`Don't talk about gold sellers`
`20:07.24`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72350 10AckisRecipeList/ARLFrame.lua:`
`20:07.24`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`20:07.24`	`CIA-40`	`- Anchor window to beast training if we're using skillet`
`20:07.24`	`CIA-40`	`- Dry-coded`
`20:07.36`	`Toadkiller`	`What part of i engage in a criminal act = i can get sued is unclear?`
`20:07.37`	`Fix[EJ]`	`I just read an article about a guy on my server who sells points / PR and makes $600 a week from it :\|`
`20:08.30`	`Toadkiller`	`Blizzard has no case against gold sellers... they just ban them.`
`20:08.32`	`*** join/#wowace Peoii (n=chatzill@pool-70-110-55-32.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net)`
`20:08.36`	`Dashkal`	`That wasn't the question. THe question was weather or not the actual victim could sue, not weather or not the attacker could be held responsible`
`20:08.37`	`Azurewrath`	`"points/pr"?`
`20:08.43`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: ref the case of blizzard vs peons4hire`
`20:08.46`	`Dashkal`	`they sued and won`
`20:08.51`	`*** part/#wowace Herio (n=Kevin@adsl-63-198-18-38.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net)`
`20:09.19`	`Dashkal`	`the company behind peoons4hire is permanently injoined from dealing with blizzard property in any way`
`20:09.32`	`AckisWork`	`Hmm, would this work: format("%s (%s)",GetApiThingyThaReturnsTwoValues()) ?`
`20:09.49`	`Daemona`	`whats the target exact thingy again? /targetexact ?`
`20:10.02`	`grzesieq`	`uhm, is there any site worth recommending to someone who has just started playing WoW?`
`20:10.30`	`Daemona`	`depends on the kind of info you seek`
`20:10.43`	`Nechckn`	`WoWWiki is decent as are the various Thottbott, Allakhazam, WoWHead, et cetera`
`20:11.03`	`Zhinjio`	`2147483647`
`20:11.08`	`Nechckn`	`WoWWiki provides lore and info, the rest item worth and the like`
`20:11.41`	`Fisker-`	`Zeksie touch me`
`20:12.21`	`Toadkiller`	`All right they chose to sue one and won. Still dont see how that stop me from suing george for stealing from me...`
`20:13.07`	`Dashkal`	`My point was that George can make the claim that you didn't own what was "stolen" and so have no claim to sue`
`20:13.14`	`Dashkal`	`Blizzard would have to sue`
`20:13.17`	`Fisker-`	`anyways`
`20:13.40`	`Toadkiller`	`grzesieq: I would recommend wowhead.com it has less stupid posts than the other sites and its searching tech is way more advanced.`
`20:13.54`	`Dashkal`	`^^`
`20:14.01`	`grzesieq`	`I was thinking more of a complete noob`
`20:14.05`	`vhaarr`	`AckisWork: yes`
`20:14.05`	`NivFreak`	`wowhead is win`
`20:14.09`	`grzesieq`	`he just asked me how to say something in party :P`
`20:14.11`	`Matrix110\|`	`there is nor eason to even visit Thottbot or Allakhazam anymore`
`20:14.15`	`Dashkal`	`grzesieq: What, specifically, are you looking for?`
`20:14.19`	`Dashkal`	`Like intro to wow?`
`20:14.22`	`grzesieq`	`ye`
`20:14.27`	`Dashkal`	`Make him read his manual`
`20:14.38`	`grzesieq`	`he downloaded it from the trial page`
`20:14.38`	`Matrix110\|`	`Wowhead or WoWDB completly replaces them`
`20:14.40`	`NivFreak`	`there's a manual?`
`20:14.44`	`Dashkal`	`lol`
`20:14.50`	`Dashkal`	`There's a version online`
`20:14.51`	`Dashkal`	`game guide`
`20:14.56`	`NivFreak`	`I had no idea`
`20:15.00`	`grzesieq`	`oh, there is`
`20:15.04`	`Dashkal`	`official site`
`20:15.11`	`Fisker-`	`would be cool if you could do something like make the buff thingy make stuff like salvation be a low priority on tank/ret specs`
`20:15.13`	`vhaarr`	`grzesieq: I think there's a intro guide on the official site as well`
`20:15.27`	`Fisker-`	`by that i mean healers usually have more time to rebuff salvation than tanks/retn00bs do`
`20:15.34`	`Toadkiller`	`I pay Blizzard money, lets call it $10 a month for an account to play their game. At the point george steals it and locks me out I suffer real harm, both emotianla and monetary. George is also stealing my subscription. I fail to see how a judge is gonna say: Gosh george u are a sly one. Get outa here youngster, im not gonna do anything to you because the account belongs to Blizzard. How absurd.`
`20:15.38`	`Dashkal`	`Got a friend complaining that AspectBar is no longer maintained. Can anybody suggest something else that does simply aspects on a bar?`
`20:16.04`	`Bruners`	`make a bar with bartender?`
`20:16.06`	`vhaarr`	`grzesieq: http://wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/`
`20:16.12`	`Fisker-`	`the account doesn't belong to blizzard`
`20:16.12`	`grzesieq`	`ye just found it, thanks`
`20:16.12`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: No argument that it's absurd, but that doesn't stop strange ruling from happening. The letter of the law trumps common sense`
`20:16.13`	`Toadkiller`	`Make a Bar with AutoBar?`
`20:16.15`	`Fisker-`	`the stuff on it does`
`20:16.40`	`Ozguli`	`Make a bar with Bongos?`
`20:16.54`	`Xinhuan`	`sorry, common sense always trumps letter of the law`
`20:17.00`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: pokes answer my question about autobar and I'll start recomending it again :p`
`20:17.01`	`Xinhuan`	`that's why overrulings occur`
`20:17.02`	VonhintenHOME`	`You're talking about an intangible thing... "An Account" is nothing more than a database row`
`20:17.09`	VonhintenHOME`	`You OWN the software you bought`
`20:17.25`	VonhintenHOME`	`That is, the media`
`20:17.25`	`Dashkal`	`Um, since when do you own software that you didn't create yourself on your own time`
`20:17.32`	`Dashkal`	`You own the hard drive it's on`
`20:17.45`	`nevcairiel`	`you buy the media, and the right to install it`
`20:17.49`	`profalber1`	`VonhintenHOME' you don't own the software, you own a licence to use the software`
`20:18.05`	VonhintenHOME`	`Yeah.. like I said..`
`20:18.11`	VonhintenHOME`	[16:15] <VonhintenHOME`> That is, the media
`20:18.19`	VonhintenHOME`	`l2read`
`20:18.21`	`Toadkiller`	`Dashkal, jsut because that is true does not mean that the real theft I just described is somehow legal. U have not said anything that proves that stealing my subscription that I pay for & preventing me from using it, thus incurring monetary loss, is somehow legal. Claiming that gosh anything can happen in a court of law is BS. That is just not the way it works.`
`20:18.23`	`*** join/#wowace Vanduror (n=Who@home.codevision.nl)`
`20:18.28`	`vhaarr`	`talk about up to date info; "You will not lose any experience when resurrected by another player, but you will have "resurrection sickness" for a few minutes."`
`20:18.29`	`vhaarr`	`from: http://wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/death.html`
`20:18.42`	`profalber1`	`the media is just "a copy of the software" not the software itself`
`20:18.44`	`Fisker-`	`lol`
`20:19.17`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: What I'm claiming is that the attacker can make the case that there isn't theft at all, only frustration of an existing contract`
`20:19.32`	`Xinhuan`	`careful there, "frustration" is a legal term`
`20:19.35`	`Xinhuan`	`with a specific meaning`
`20:19.40`	`Dashkal`	`Xinhuan: I'm using it in that context`
`20:19.51`	`Dashkal`	`Prevented from operating in the terms of existing contract`
`20:19.57`	`Toadkiller`	`yes and then the judge tells him he lost his case &please go directly to jail, do not pass go. Pay the defendant a bunch of money.`
`20:20.17`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: Now your confusing civil and criminal penalities`
`20:20.21`	`Xinhuan`	`indeed, "frustration" has that specific legal meaning`
`20:20.40`	`Toadkiller`	`Who cares what absurd case an attacker CAN make. All we care about is the part where the judge finds the thief guilty.`
`20:20.49`	`Xinhuan`	`that a contract can be declared as void if events occur out of both parties control that prevent the contract from continuing`
`20:21.09`	`Xinhuan`	`that's frustration - usually only due to acts of god, or war`
`20:21.17`	`Toadkiller`	`No man, im not confusing jack. I made a Monopoly reference that went right over your head.`
`20:21.21`	`Dashkal`	`nods Losing your arms can void a contract where the obligations on you require use of the arms`
`20:21.31`	`Toadkiller`	`Monopoly is a board game btw.`
`20:21.45`	`Dashkal`	`Erm, I may be using the wrong term, Xinhuan, lemme look it up`
`20:21.55`	`Xinhuan`	`heh`
`20:22.04`	`Dashkal`	`I'm refering specifically to the case where an outside party interferes with the normal execution of a contract between two entities`
`20:22.38`	`Xinhuan`	`yep, if this happens both parties can sue that outside party`
`20:22.54`	`Xinhuan`	`unless its an act of god, like an earthquake that destroyed Blizzard's servers`
`20:23.15`	`Dashkal`	`So I could see the victim suing the attacker under those grounds. I'm just intrigued by the question of weather or not actual theft occured.`
`20:23.40`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72351 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua:`
`20:23.40`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`20:23.40`	`CIA-40`	`- Code clean-up and a bit of optimization`
`20:23.40`	`CIA-40`	`- Dry-coded`
`20:23.54`	`Xinhuan`	`account theft occured, the attacker gained something he wasn't supposed to gain, and knowingly did so`
`20:24.05`	`Toadkiller`	`Anyway. Enjoy your delusional thinking that theft of a Wow account is not theft. (unless u cant prove your ownership with CDs that is)`
`20:24.19`	`*** join/#wowace Esine (i=dbguy@tohveli.net)`
`20:24.20`	`Dashkal`	`ooo, there's an angle I had no considered, Xinhuan. That can work`
`20:24.49`	`Xinhuan`	`the "knowingly did so" part is important`
`20:25.00`	`Dashkal`	`It's not the gold or gear that got stolen, it's the enjoyment of your account that got stolen`
`20:25.18`	`Dashkal`	`as in "taken from you, leaving you with less than you had"`
`20:25.51`	`AckisWork`	`Xinhuan: This function is "Bad" from what I've read http://ace.pastey.net/87015 because of all the chaining together of strings... any advice? :D`
`20:25.55`	VonhintenHOME`	`The law is retarded, I say we go back to settling our disputes with guns...`
`20:26.02`	`*** part/#wowace profalbert (n=profalbe@80-123-29-254.adsl.highway.telekom.at)`
`20:26.04`	`Toadkiller`	`Did I not just type in "steal my account im paying $10 a month for thus causing me monetary harm"?`
`20:26.17`	VonhintenHOME`	`You going to steal my shit when I'm armed? Have at it, boy`
`20:27.02`	`Xinhuan`	`err Ackis`
`20:27.15`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: I was looking for the legal niceity behind it. Yes, common sense dicates that you're correct, but I wanted to know how to convince the court despite legalities. If a burglar can fall through a skylight and successfully sue for injury, I'm sure as hell not gonna trust a judge who may or may not have a clue about computers to sanely rule on a case.`
`20:27.15`	`AckisWork`	`I thought I'd blind side you with that :P`
`20:27.45`	`Toadkiller`	`that did not get overturned on apeal?`
`20:27.50`	`Dashkal`	`No idea`
`20:27.51`	`Xinhuan`	`the "standard" method is to use a table`
`20:27.57`	`Fisker-`	what do you mean by "go back to" VonhintenHOME`?
`20:28.01`	`Fisker-`	`that's how it's already done`
`20:28.05`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e you have an upvalue table outside the function, lets say this table is called "t"`
`20:28.08`	`Dashkal`	`Just using it as an example as to why I do not trust counts to side with common sense. There are plenty of other examples`
`20:28.09`	`Xinhuan`	`local t = {}`
`20:28.11`	`Nechckn`	`claps for ffis`
`20:28.22`	`Nechckn`	`Fisker-, even`
`20:28.23`	VonhintenHOME`	`Fisker-, eh?`
`20:28.33`	`Xinhuan`	`then in the function you just set t[#t + 1] = "some string"`
`20:28.38`	`Xinhuan`	`t[#t + 1] = "some other string"`
`20:28.40`	`Xinhuan`	`and so on`
`20:28.42`	`Dashkal`	`Look up "Patent Troll" for a rather large body of examples`
`20:29.01`	`Xinhuan`	`then you perform str = table.concat(t, ", ")`
`20:29.03`	`Toadkiller`	`Anyway, for me I would sue because of interference with my $10 a month of money I am giving Blizzard.`
`20:29.12`	`Xinhuan`	`which concats all the strings together with the ", " as the separator`
`20:29.17`	`Xinhuan`	`then you empty your table`
`20:29.22`	`Xinhuan`	`and return the string`
`20:29.38`	`Dashkal`	`Toadkiller: agreed, that's pretty clear cut`
`20:29.44`	`AckisWork`	`Xinhuan: why does the table have to be outside of the function? Can't it just be outside of the for loop?`
`20:29.48`	`Vulcanus`	`is setting a table to nil then doing a GC the correct way of emptying/removing a table?`
`20:30.00`	`Xinhuan`	`because you want to reuse the same table every function call`
`20:30.04`	`Xinhuan`	`not create a new table`
`20:30.04`	`Elsia`	`Hjalte: sorry responded in wrong channel, any specific about the moment it happened?`
`20:30.09`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {"abc", "def", ghi"} return table.concat(t, "\|")`
`20:30.09`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: luabot:1: '}' expected near '\|'`
`20:30.24`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {"abc", "def", ghi"} return table.concat("\|", t)`
`20:30.24`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: luabot:1: '}' expected near '\|'`
`20:30.27`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm`
`20:30.32`	`Xinhuan`	`oh a missing "`
`20:30.35`	`Toadkiller`	`Look the legal system has actual abuses that would make your hair curl. You could garnishee someones wages till they have a goodly amount garnisheed. Then some accountant tells em, hey, gimme all that cashola, ill get u declared bankrupt and your off the hook. Nothing the victim can do about this.`
`20:30.38`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {"abc", "def", "ghi"} return table.concat("\|", t)`
`20:30.38`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'concat' (string expected, got table)`
`20:30.43`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> t = {"abc", "def", "ghi"} return table.concat(t, "\|")`
`20:30.43`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: abc\|def\|ghi`
`20:31.01`	`Xinhuan`	`before using t[], you just need to remember to clear all its contents`
`20:31.32`	`Xinhuan`	`do you use Routes ackis?`
`20:31.37`	`Toadkiller`	`But if u steal something, the ownership has to be nebulous in the sense of divorce or something b4 a judge will tell u to get lost.`
`20:32.00`	`AckisWork`	`Xinhuan: no, I tried and was too ADD for that`
`20:32.07`	`Dashkal`	`We just went full circle. The ownership is nebulous in that blizzard claims they own everything`
`20:32.11`	`Xinhuan`	`there's an example function in it`
`20:32.19`	`Xinhuan`	`where i used a table`
`20:32.25`	`Xinhuan`	`and did`
`20:32.25`	`Xinhuan`	`return table.concat(str, "\n")`
`20:32.26`	`Xinhuan`	`in it`
`20:33.04`	VonhintenHOME`	`I would love for someone to take blizz to court over transferable ownership of an account... I think it's totally bullshit that I can't sell my account`
`20:33.13`	`AckisWork`	`ok I see it`
`20:33.22`	`Dashkal`	VonhintenHOME`: That would be an interesting case
`20:33.23`	`Xinhuan`	`aceserializer-3.0 also uses the same technique`
`20:33.24`	`Toadkiller`	`No we did not. My $10 a month is real monetary value i can establish in a court of law. The deprivation of my legitimately paid for account can be estqablished. The return of the accoutn by Blizzard can be established. Thats all that Judge Judy needs...`
`20:33.49`	`Toadkiller`	`If its he said she said in a divorce case Judge Judy is gonna just chop it in half 50-50`
`20:33.54`	`Dashkal`	`I imagine a number of jurisdictions would forbid blizzard from banning the account under those terms`
`20:34.42`	`Dashkal`	`One thing I've never got a straight answer from a laywer over is how valid blizzard's "All legal claims are in the jurisdiction of California" clause is.`
`20:34.55`	`Xinhuan`	`in fact ackis, i have several functions that do that heh`
`20:35.01`	`Hjalte`	`Elsia: Not really, I joined the raid late though. And the warrior who was missing on the try, was showing when we killed the boss the moment after.`
`20:35.09`	`Dashkal`	`Especially when international borders are concerned.`
`20:35.14`	VonhintenHOME`	`Dashkal, I don't believe that would stand up in court`
`20:35.19`	`Vulcanus`	`well since we only lease the account, you could say you're selling the lease to someone else.`
`20:35.39`	`Elsia`	`is the warrior using recount?`
`20:35.55`	`AckisWork`	`Xinhuan: I will to soon lol thanks :)`
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`20:36.11`	`Hjalte`	`Elsia: Yes`
`20:36.13`	`Dashkal`	`I think the concept of being able to sell a contract varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction so it's a question you'd have to ask a laywer about`
`20:36.16`	`Toadkiller`	`I think that the US just passed an anti shopping law. Well for defamation suits anyway. They did it because in Britain you have to prove your innocense in a libel case.`
`20:36.16`	`Elsia`	`k`
`20:36.23`	`Hjalte`	`Elsia: Latest version, just like me.`
`20:36.39`	`AckisWork`	`Xinhuan: I can do a: do local t = {} addon:function foo() ... ... end then I can reference addon:foo() like "normal"? I'm not quite familiar with the do's yet`
`20:36.59`	VonhintenHOME`	`especially given the fact that their servers are all over the place. I'm using a server in State-A from State-B which are both not California`
`20:37.20`	`Xinhuan`	`not sure what you're saying`
`20:37.24`	`Xinhuan`	`give an example`
`20:37.33`	`Dashkal`	`That matters less then you think. Your contract is with the legal entity known as Activision-Blizzard which is legally based in california`
`20:37.49`	VonhintenHOME`	`But they operate outside of california`
`20:38.04`	VonhintenHOME`	`Which means they have to abide by the laws of those places, does it not?`
`20:38.26`	`AckisWork`	`Xinhuan: http://ace.pastey.net/87019`
`20:38.32`	`Dashkal`	`Oh it does, but the contract itself can only be under the jurisdiction of california and USA and under the jurisdiction that you, the customer, reside in. The server itself shouldn't get involved`
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`20:38.45`	`AckisWork`	`quick bastardized example...`
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`20:39.15`	`Xinhuan`	`yes that works`
`20:39.20`	`Polleke`	`ARGHHH... I want to kill my guildies`
`20:39.29`	`Fisker-`	`it's a bag Xinhuan`
`20:39.29`	`Xinhuan`	`t[] will be local to the do-end block`
`20:39.39`	`AckisWork`	`So the do ... end just allow you to declare local vars for that block?`
`20:39.44`	`Xinhuan`	`correct`
`20:39.47`	`Xinhuan`	`its a common technique`
`20:39.50`	`Xinhuan`	`Routes uses this too`
`20:39.51`	`Xinhuan`	`look in it ;p`
`20:39.58`	`AckisWork`	`yah I noticed, that's why I'm asking`
`20:40.00`	`AckisWork`	`:P`
`20:40.12`	`AckisWork`	`I don't have any do-end blocks :P`
`20:40.20`	`Xinhuan`	`if you can't call that function, then wouldn't it be a bit silly? :)`
`20:40.31`	`Xinhuan`	`basically, ARL is an "upvalue" within that do-end block`
`20:40.46`	`AckisWork`	`Well it would be applicable to functions in that do-end block`
`20:40.50`	`Dashkal`	`Of course even if the BC courts claim jursidiction over the contract, what can they really do if blizzard refuses to play nice?`
`20:40.56`	`AckisWork`	`I'm glad it isn't :P`
`20:41.06`	`Dashkal`	`Blizzard doesn't (afaik) have any assets here`
`20:41.46`	`Xinhuan`	`i think the law discussion is absurd, no one's going to sue anything`
`20:42.43`	`Dashkal`	`Xinhuan: People have a lot of money invested in the secondary gold market. peons4hire was just the first suit. There'll be more`
`20:43.09`	`Xinhuan`	`um, i'm saying nobody who got his account stolen by some random, is going to sue`
`20:43.23`	`Dashkal`	`this is true, but I moved on from that topic :p Now I was into selling my account`
`20:43.29`	`Apoco`	`vhaarr> ping?`
`20:43.33`	`vhaarr`	`Apoco: pong`
`20:44.24`	`Dashkal`	`I _think_ (my information may be very out of date) that in BC I can sell my stake in such a contract. But if blizzard bans the account, what can I do?`
`20:44.40`	`Dashkal`	`pretty sure not much`
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`20:50.42`	`Zhinjio`	`is there a way to guarantee that string.format( "%x", somenumber ) will return an 8 digit hex value, padded on the left with 0'x?`
`20:50.47`	`Zhinjio`	`er, padded with 0's`
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`20:53.48`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72352 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua:`
`20:53.48`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`20:53.48`	`CIA-40`	`- Some more code optimization`
`20:53.48`	`CIA-40`	`- New method for combining a lot of strings together (Thank you Xinhuan) (commented out until I can test :P)`
`20:53.48`	`CIA-40`	`- Dry-coded`
`20:53.55`	`AckisWork`	`cackles`
`20:54.31`	`Xinhuan`	`yes Zhinjio`
`20:55.03`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> string.format("%8x", 30)`
`20:55.03`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: 1e`
`20:55.22`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> string.format("%08x", 30)`
`20:55.23`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: 0000001e`
`20:55.32`	`Zhinjio`	`drools.`
`20:55.35`	`Zhinjio`	`perfectr.`
`20:55.48`	VonhintenHOME`	`practically printf specification`
`20:55.50`	`Xinhuan`	`the 8 is to make it return 8 digits`
`20:55.55`	`Xinhuan`	`the 0 is to add leading 0s`
`20:56.04`	`Polarina`	`Ackis: What new method?`
`20:56.24`	`Polarina`	`I think I know.`
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`20:56.45`	`AckisWork`	`table.concat`
`20:56.47`	`Xinhuan`	`elsia`
`20:56.54`	`Elsia`	`yeah?`
`20:56.56`	`Xinhuan`	`RECOUNT_THREAT isn't localized in the keybinds ;p`
`20:57.13`	`Elsia`	`emm, there shouldn't be a keybinding for that actually :P`
`20:57.14`	`Xinhuan`	`although technically i think you removed that module for now`
`20:57.23`	`Xinhuan`	`well its an extra entry in bindings.xml then`
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`20:57.44`	`Xinhuan`	`[2008/05/02 04:57:24-6612-x3]: Recount-70425\GUI_Graph.lua:1031: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'TimeRangeUpper' (a nil value)`
`20:57.56`	`Polarina`	`function string_them_together(...) return ("%s"):rep(select("#", ...)):format(...) end`
`20:58.21`	`Xinhuan`	`checkout that error too`
`20:58.25`	`Elsia`	`there is no recount threat keybinding in my version of the code`
`20:58.47`	`Xinhuan`	`<Binding name="RECOUNT_THREAT">Recount:SetMainWindowMode(16)</Binding>`
`20:58.53`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm sure its in there, in your Bindings.xml`
`20:59.06`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, if you saw this: http://www.pastey.net/87024`
`20:59.08`	`Zhinjio`	`in the SV file`
`20:59.11`	`Elsia`	`i see`
`20:59.21`	`Zhinjio`	`would you bother trying to dig through the code to figure out how to decode it?`
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`20:59.37`	VonhintenHOME`	`I'd want to know what it is`
`20:59.49`	`Zhinjio`	`except you Xinhuan ... cuz you're just nutty like that.`
`20:59.51`	`Xinhuan`	`and would you able to fix that graphing error?`
`21:00.24`	`Zhinjio`	`because theoretically, if you decided to manipulate that data, you could get more access than you should.`
`21:00.25`	`Xinhuan`	`Zhinjio, it will be relatively simple to feed those strings into your own function to get a result`
`21:00.47`	VonhintenHOME`	`access, just what are we talking about here?`
`21:00.50`	`Zhinjio`	`of course it would.`
`21:01.05`	`Xinhuan`	`simply put, an open source code/project has no security unless you have a public/private key mechanism`
`21:01.17`	VonhintenHOME`	`If an addon tries to hide something from me, it goes to the Recycle bin and I find a new addon`
`21:01.19`	VonhintenHOME`	`plain and simple`
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`21:02.17`	`Zhinjio`	`well, you won't be one of my users then.`
`21:02.29`	VonhintenHOME`	`There's no security in open source, unless you're withholding code. Obfuscation isn't secure`
`21:02.48`	`Zhinjio`	`heh, I even named the function SKG_Obfuscatee.`
`21:02.50`	`Zhinjio`	`er, -e`
`21:02.57`	`Zhinjio`	`anyway, ok.`
`21:02.59`	`Zhinjio`	`good enough.`
`21:03.04`	`Xinhuan`	`oh, open source is secure enough, if like i said, there is a private/public key mechanism`
`21:03.19`	`Xinhuan`	`the guild leader then gives out the public key`
`21:03.19`	`Zhinjio`	`my intent is not to make it secure.`
`21:03.51`	VonhintenHOME`	`right Xin, that's what I meant by withholding code... more generally, withholding some piece`
`21:03.58`	`Zhinjio`	`my intent is to make it harder than just typing "SKG_SECURITY_LEVEL" = "Admin" in your SV file.`
`21:04.11`	`Xinhuan`	`and when the guild leader sends out messages, that are signed by his private key, the receiver can verify it with the known public key`
`21:04.24`	`Zhinjio`	`yeah, not gonna happen.`
`21:04.45`	`Zhinjio`	`90% of users don't even know where there SV files are`
`21:04.54`	`Zhinjio`	`<-- makes up random percentages`
`21:04.54`	`AckisWork`	`85% of statistics are made up`
`21:04.56`	`Xinhuan`	`well i'm sure i could just type /dump SKG_Obfuscatee("Admin") right? ;p`
`21:05.05`	`Zhinjio`	`Xinhuan: no.`
`21:05.11`	`Zhinjio`	`its quite a bit more complex than that.`
`21:05.12`	`Elsia`	`standard deviation of that one is at leat 15%`
`21:05.21`	`Xinhuan`	`haha elsia`
`21:05.23`	`Zhinjio`	`but whatever.`
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`21:06.17`	`CIA-40`	`03elsia * r72353 10Recount/ (Bindings.xml GUI_Graph.lua):`
`21:06.17`	`CIA-40`	`Recount:`
`21:06.17`	`CIA-40`	`- Remove bogus keybinding`
`21:06.17`	`CIA-40`	`- Fix two nil errors in graph range handling`
`21:06.18`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72354 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua:`
`21:06.19`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`21:06.21`	`CIA-40`	`- Only create the profession table once please`
`21:06.23`	`CIA-40`	`- And lets pull out all the if's for the factions to another function so I can make it faster in the future`
`21:06.25`	`CIA-40`	`- Dry-coded`
`21:07.16`	VonhintenHOME`	`Yes, pull out those nasty ifs... they cost so much CPU :)`
`21:07.40`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`21:07.41`	`AckisWork`	`:P`
`21:09.07`	`Polarina`	`Have you seen UIParent_OnEvent? It scares me... :(`
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`21:12.46`	`CIA-40`	`03Sorata * r72355 10Poppins/ (6 files in 3 dirs):`
`21:12.46`	`CIA-40`	`Poppins:`
`21:12.46`	`CIA-40`	`- Add group settings,`
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`21:15.17`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72356 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua:`
`21:15.17`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`21:15.17`	`CIA-40`	`- Get player faction once during load opposed to calling it everytime I want to do a check`
`21:15.17`	`CIA-40`	`- If I don't want to see both factions, why display both faction specific reputations?`
`21:15.18`	`CIA-40`	`- Dry-coded`
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`21:21.04`	`Polarina`	`Ackis: Can you make sure that "faction specific" recipes that are not BoP are listed when you set it to only display faction specific recipes?`
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`21:21.53`	`AckisWork`	`I suppose I could yes`
`21:22.02`	`AckisWork`	`I don't really have the BoP/BoE info however`
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`21:24.59`	`CIA-40`	`03apoco 07v2 * r72357 10RBM/RBM_BigWigs/ (. BigWigs.lua RBM_BigWigs.toc): RBM_BigWigs: Initial Commit. Allows BigWigs to send its bossbars to RBM for manipulation.`
`21:29.14`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.monkeyblah.com/content/img/19fmedic.jpg`
`21:29.49`	`AckisWork`	`lmao`
`21:30.13`	`CIA-40`	`03rabbit * r72358 10oUF_DebuffHighlight/oUF_DebuffHighlight.lua: oUF_DebuffHighlight: Don't break on the first debuff if it doesn't have a type.`
`21:32.50`	`Hjalte`	`Apoco: I thought RBM was supposed to replace Bigwigs? Like in, not needing it installed :)`
`21:33.08`	`AckisWork`	`lua> t = {"foo" = 1, "bar" = 2} return t["foo"]`
`21:33.08`	`lua_bot`	`AckisWork: luabot:1: '}' expected near '='`
`21:33.17`	`AckisWork`	`bah`
`21:33.26`	`Apoco`	`Dont even get me started :p`
`21:33.34`	`Apoco`	`I've said it 100 times and I wont say it again`
`21:34.22`	`Xinhuan`	`Nandini ping`
`21:34.25`	`Kurax`	`lua> t = {["foo"] = 1, ["bar"] = 2} return t["foo"]`
`21:34.25`	`lua_bot`	`Kurax: 1`
`21:34.50`	`Zhinjio`	`Good afternoon, Kurax`
`21:35.03`	`Kurax`	`Zhinjio: Hi`
`21:36.03`	`Kurax`	`Zhinjio: Translation almost complete, been addicted to GTA4 these days =p`
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`21:36.34`	`Zhinjio`	`hehehehee`
`21:36.43`	`Zhinjio`	`no worries. I know there's a whole lot of strings.`
`21:36.52`	`Zhinjio`	`and I appreciate any help I can get`
`21:38.05`	`AckisWork`	`lua> t = {["foo"] = 1, ["bar"] = 2} return t["fooo"]`
`21:38.06`	`lua_bot`	`AckisWork: nil`
`21:38.27`	`Zhinjio`	`too many o's`
`21:38.32`	`AckisWork`	`I meant to do that`
`21:38.38`	`AckisWork`	`(I actually did)`
`21:38.47`	`Kurax`	`no`
`21:38.55`	`Kurax`	`It's just another typo from you`
`21:38.59`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`21:39.21`	`CIA-40`	`03rabbit * r72359 10oUF_Rabbit/ (media/white16x16.tga oUF_Rabbit.toc raid.lua): oUF_Rabbit: Added grid-like square indicator to raid frames for curse/magic/poison debuffs, ninjaed white16x16 texture from Grid.`
`21:40.30`	`Zhinjio`	`I have like... one more function to write and I'll be done with RC1. god`
`21:40.38`	`Zhinjio`	`I'm so close I can taste it.`
`21:40.39`	`thul`	`hmm, I still don't get girls Pek.. WHERE IS PEKYOL?!`
`21:40.41`	`thul`	`:-(`
`21:41.24`	`AckisWork`	`I'm either doing optimizations or breaking my mod... it's cool isn't it?`
`21:41.33`	`Hjalte`	`Apoco: Is there a forum threat or something where I can read what you've said 100 times before? :)`
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`21:43.59`	`CIA-40`	`03apoco 07v2 * r72360 10RBM/RBM_BigWigs/BigWigs.lua: RBM_BigWigs: Stupid Copy-Paste Fix. Thx Rabbit`
`21:44.52`	`Apoco`	`Hjalte: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12443.0 its in one of the 8 pages multiple times I imagine`
`21:47.35`	`AckisWork`	`is there a difference (logicwise) between nil and false?`
`21:48.28`	`Dashkal`	`lua> return not false and not nil`
`21:48.29`	`lua_bot`	`Dashkal: true`
`21:48.55`	`Dashkal`	`lua> return false == nil`
`21:48.55`	`lua_bot`	`Dashkal: false`
`21:49.01`	`Dashkal`	`depends on how you use it, I guess`
`21:49.17`	`Dashkal`	`lua> return not not false == not not nil`
`21:49.17`	`lua_bot`	`Dashkal: true`
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`21:51.20`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72361 10AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.lua:`
`21:51.20`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`21:51.20`	`CIA-40`	`- Move reputation checks into a table opposed to all the if's`
`21:51.20`	`CIA-40`	`- Dry-coded`
`21:51.20`	`AckisWork`	`well we'll see if it works in about an hour when I get home :P lol`
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`21:51.48`	`AckisWork`	`after I fix the typos of course :P`
`21:51.50`	`Apoco`	`Hjalte: to ease your search http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12443.msg207642#msg207642`
`21:51.52`	`Dashkal`	`snickers`
`21:52.04`	`pastamancer`	`AckisWork: maybe you should just note when your commits are actually tested rather than adding "dry-coded" to every commit :p`
`21:52.18`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`21:52.19`	`Dashkal`	`remind me that if I ever use that mod to keep it locked from updating until I'm sure you've done the typo commit :p`
`21:52.39`	`AckisWork`	`There's substantially less typo fixes than there used to be :P`
`21:53.01`	`CIA-40`	`03hegarol * r72362 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/GeneralPvP.en.lua:`
`21:53.01`	`CIA-40`	`AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:`
`21:53.01`	`CIA-40`	`- Arena Season 4 update`
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`21:54.47`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTocPBgyYwA`
`21:54.51`	`CIA-40`	`03kurax * r72363 10AtlasLoot_BCInstances/burningcrusade.en.lua:`
`21:54.51`	`CIA-40`	`AtlasLoot_BCInstances:`
`21:54.51`	`CIA-40`	`- Eliminate the icon data`
`22:01.32`	`CIA-40`	`03kurax * r72364 10AtlasLoot_Crafting/crafting.en.lua:`
`22:01.32`	`CIA-40`	`AtlasLoot_Crafting:`
`22:01.32`	`CIA-40`	`- Eliminate the icon data`
`22:03.33`	`pastamancer`	`haha, I did a search for "dry-coded" in svn commits`
`22:03.50`	`pastamancer`	`nimbal: 1, nefarion: 3, lordrhys: 1, ackis: 106`
`22:03.58`	`CIA-40`	`03parnic * r72365 10IceHUD/modules/SliceAndDice.lua:`
`22:03.58`	`CIA-40`	`IceHUD:`
`22:03.58`	`CIA-40`	`- added text readout of potential snd time next to current snd buff time`
`22:03.58`	`CIA-40`	`- added configurable color for snd potential bar`
`22:04.33`	`AckisWork`	`lmao`
`22:04.56`	`AckisWork`	`I tend to do a lot of small commits however... in my defense :P`
`22:06.26`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72366 10AckisRecipeList/ARLFrame.lua:`
`22:06.26`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`22:06.26`	`CIA-40`	`- Set the strata on the scan button to see if it'll fix the issues with frame moving mods`
`22:06.26`	`CIA-40`	`- Removal of a bunch of globals in the frame functions`
`22:06.26`	`CIA-40`	`- Dry-coded`
`22:06.47`	`Polarina`	`pastamancer: Your numbers are wrong by one.`
`22:07.02`	`AckisWork`	`facepalms.`
`22:07.09`	`pastamancer`	`haha`
`22:07.37`	`AckisWork`	`actually, it's off by more because I've accidentally put hard coded in when I meant dry-coded :P`
`22:07.59`	`pastamancer`	`now I'm busy abusing fisheye with a regex search`
`22:08.06`	`AckisWork`	`lol`
`22:08.50`	`CIA-40`	`03kurax * r72367 10AtlasLoot_OldInstances/original.en.lua:`
`22:08.50`	`CIA-40`	`AtlasLoot_OldInstances:`
`22:08.50`	`CIA-40`	`- Eliminate the icon data`
`22:08.55`	`AckisWork`	`i'm waiting for you to search for "typo" :P`
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`22:09.44`	`hydrogen`	`tpyo, you mea`
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`22:09.44`	`hydrogen`	`n`
`22:10.03`	`AckisWork`	`Ironic that you typoed while talking about one`
`22:10.22`	`Peoii`	`Question really is, of all of Ackis' commits, how many of them relationally weren't "Dry-coded"? Like what, 20%? less?`
`22:10.48`	`Kurax`	`Ackis is an honest fish`
`22:11.05`	`Zhinjio`	`can someone please give me the byte sequence for any non-US character please?`
`22:11.09`	`Zhinjio`	`something with an umlaut or whatever. I don't care`
`22:12.16`	`AckisWork`	`Kurax: wtb pet module for AtlasLoot ;)`
`22:12.38`	`Kurax`	`AckisWork: What's that`
`22:13.08`	`Xinhuan`	`means a page for every collectible non-combat pet`
`22:13.09`	`AckisWork`	`lol just a list of all in-game mini-pets... you guys had turned it down a few times on the atlasloot suggestions`
`22:13.26`	`Zhinjio`	`AckisWork: LPT has a list`
`22:13.30`	`Zhinjio`	`Misc.Minipets or something`
`22:13.36`	`AckisWork`	`lua> string.byte(Ã¢)`
`22:13.36`	`Xinhuan`	`btw kurax, i can't believe there is only 5 "rare mounts" in "Original WoW"`
`22:13.36`	`lua_bot`	`AckisWork: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'Ã'`
`22:13.41`	`Xinhuan`	`is there really that little? hehe`
`22:14.27`	`AckisWork`	`tiger, raptor, baron, bug, wintersaber?`
`22:14.55`	`AckisWork`	`lua> string.byte( "Ã©", 1 )`
`22:14.56`	`lua_bot`	`AckisWork: 195`
`22:15.05`	`Zhinjio`	`ok..`
`22:15.09`	`Zhinjio`	`whats index 2?`
`22:15.13`	`AckisWork`	`lua> string.byte( "Ã©", 2 )`
`22:15.13`	`lua_bot`	`AckisWork: 169`
`22:15.16`	`Zhinjio`	`sweet.`
`22:15.18`	`Zhinjio`	`thanks.`
`22:15.22`	`AckisWork`	`np`
`22:15.40`	`AckisWork`	`no idea what I did`
`22:15.42`	`AckisWork`	`but cool`
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`22:16.44`	`Kurax`	`Maybe sometimes I should have a compare with wowhead`
`22:17.18`	`Kurax`	`Some data are unmaintained for pretty a while`
`22:18.21`	`Xinhuan`	`uh tiger, raptor, baron, wintersaber and... riding turtle ;d`
`22:18.31`	`Xinhuan`	`and the 5 AQ bug mounts`
`22:18.42`	`Kurax`	`the bug is an epic mount`
`22:18.47`	`AckisWork`	`riding turtle is post-BC`
`22:18.59`	`Xinhuan`	`well the riding turtle is in "original wow" on atlasloot`
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`22:19.13`	`Xinhuan`	`so is that classified incorrectly?`
`22:19.34`	`Kurax`	`I believe its under the TCG page`
`22:19.44`	`NivFreak`	`wasn't the turtle given out at blizzcon pre-TBC?`
`22:19.52`	`AckisWork`	`no, it was from the first TCG`
`22:19.58`	`NivFreak`	`was that pre-TBC?`
`22:20.02`	`AckisWork`	`murloc pet was first blizzcon, suit was second`
`22:20.06`	`AckisWork`	`No`
`22:21.06`	`AckisWork`	`<-- needs murloc pet :(`
`22:21.38`	`durcyn`	`you can't have my blue murloc egg`
`22:21.39`	`hydrogen`	`there was the real aq bug mount, the ones that dropped like candy don't really count`
`22:22.13`	`AckisWork`	`durcyn: wow you have one? /growl`
`22:22.24`	`Xinhuan`	`what do you mean "real aq bug mount"`
`22:22.32`	`hydrogen`	`the one that could be used anywhere`
`22:22.38`	`hydrogen`	`for opening the gates`
`22:22.39`	`AckisWork`	`THere's the black one, which is a legendary mount that can be used anywhere`
`22:22.44`	`hydrogen`	`that one and a half people got per server`
`22:22.45`	`Xinhuan`	`its not any more real or unreal ;p`
`22:22.51`	`hydrogen`	`sure is!`
`22:22.57`	`hydrogen`	`It's real outside of aq40`
`22:23.01`	`hydrogen`	`which means, its still real now`
`22:23.03`	`hydrogen`	`as no one does aq40`
`22:23.08`	`hydrogen`	`though I did a few weeks ago :)`
`22:23.14`	`hydrogen`	`viscidous was a fun joke`
`22:23.18`	`Peoii`	`We have like 6 of those on our server :/`
`22:23.21`	`AckisWork`	`Durcyn: http://www.warcraftpets.com/account/profile.asp?user=ackis /sadface I need more pets`
`22:23.22`	`hydrogen`	`did it with one mage :)`
`22:23.28`	`Peoii`	`Go go scarab lords transfering to Cenarius ;)`
`22:23.31`	`CIA-40`	`03kurax * r72368 10AtlasLoot_RepFactions/rep.lua:`
`22:23.31`	`CIA-40`	`AtlasLoot_RepFactions:`
`22:23.31`	`CIA-40`	`- Eliminate the icon data`
`22:23.50`	`durcyn`	`AckisWork: you cried`
`22:23.51`	`Xinhuan`	`you mean, like my mount? :)`
`22:24.27`	`AckisWork`	`You have the orange mount?`
`22:24.38`	`CIA-40`	`03Sorata * r72369 10Poppins/ (7 files in 4 dirs):`
`22:24.38`	`CIA-40`	`Poppins:`
`22:24.38`	`CIA-40`	`- Move some files around`
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`22:24.47`	`Kurax`	`I think the golden pig only avilable on CN servers`
`22:25.07`	`AckisWork`	`Kurax: correct, and one of the murloc pets is only on EU servers`
`22:25.18`	`AckisWork`	`I wonder what will be given out at the WWI this time`
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`22:25.49`	`Xinhuan`	`get me one ackis!`
`22:26.06`	`AckisWork`	`I'm not going :P`
`22:26.19`	`AckisWork`	`however I am going home to fix bugs :P`
`22:26.21`	`AckisWork`	`waves`
`22:26.24`	`AckisWork`	`~lart Ackis`
`22:26.24`	`purl`	`eats Ackis's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti`
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`22:27.41`	`ReSa`	`Quick question.. When I commit changes to svn, does it automatically pick up externals changes which I've set in the .toc & the properties section, or do I need to do something special?`
`22:28.06`	`vhaarr`	`SVN has no idea what a TOC file is`
`22:28.38`	`vhaarr`	`"the properties section", I'm guessing you're referring to 'svn propedit svn:externals .' then`
`22:28.45`	`vhaarr`	`in which case yeah, svn knows what that means`
`22:28.49`	`Kurax`	`You need set the svn:external property`
`22:28.53`	`Xinhuan`	`you need to set/update the svn:externals property on your folder`
`22:29.13`	`ReSa`	`Gotcha. Already done that. Wanted to make sure that that was how it was done.. Awesome.. ty :)`
`22:30.15`	`Kurax`	`I believe AtlasLoot can save about 200k memory or even more after this optimization`
`22:30.28`	`ReSa`	`wow..`
`22:30.48`	`dylanm`	`That's not surprising to me.`
`22:30.50`	`vhaarr`	`Kurax: wait, you're the atlasloot developer?`
`22:31.04`	`Kurax`	`vhaarr: a contributor`
`22:31.20`	`vhaarr`	`Kurax: well about time you joined here then, or have you been here long?`
`22:31.47`	`Kurax`	`been a while I think`
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`22:32.19`	`CIA-40`	`03saroz * r72370 10SalvationKiller/SalvationKiller.lua: SalvationKiller: Re-register UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORM, with a workaround to blizz bug`
`22:32.46`	`Kurax`	`several months`
`22:34.38`	`vhaarr`	`Kurax: why doesn't AtlasLoot use LibPeriodicTable?`
`22:35.31`	`Xinhuan`	`probably because atlasloot was written well before periodictable existed`
`22:35.39`	`vhaarr`	`yeah I am aware`
`22:35.39`	`dylanm`	`Yeah I've noticed Kurax here.`
`22:36.07`	`Kurax`	`Yeah just like Xinhuan said`
`22:36.45`	`vhaarr`	`Kurax: but why has it not been converted? you would have saved yourself the stuff you just did, for example`
`22:36.57`	`Xinhuan`	`also atlastloot requires more data than what periodic table gives`
`22:37.03`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: like what?`
`22:37.26`	`Xinhuan`	`for example, atlasloot says "Arcanist Gloves" drops from X boss, and that fact this this glove is CLOTH and is a GLOVE`
`22:37.50`	`Xinhuan`	`periodic table certainly doesn't tell you that itemID 1234 is cloth and glove`
`22:38.10`	`vhaarr`	`ah, so it stores the item names and item types`
`22:38.17`	`dylanm`	`It does store the boss.`
`22:38.29`	`Xinhuan`	`atlasloot also provides data of how to get the item, such as how many arena points it takes`
`22:38.31`	`Xinhuan`	`or honor points`
`22:38.37`	`Xinhuan`	`or the number of tradein tokens`
`22:38.39`	`Xinhuan`	`like 40 AV tokens`
`22:38.49`	`vhaarr`	`even if the server hasn't seen the item, you mean`
`22:38.53`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`22:39.11`	`vhaarr`	`PT actually does provide item cost and drop percentages`
`22:39.21`	`vhaarr`	`but not type or name`
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`22:39.31`	`Xinhuan`	`not only that atlasloot also has the item's icon stored in it`
`22:39.38`	`Xinhuan`	`in 2.4.0, we get GetItemIcon()`
`22:39.48`	`Xinhuan`	`so atlasloot is getting updated in the process of removing the icon path`
`22:39.50`	`Xinhuan`	`in the data`
`22:40.02`	`Kurax`	`Yeah that's what I'm doing atm`
`22:40.05`	`Xinhuan`	`so lots of filenames can be removed`
`22:40.10`	`vhaarr`	`yes yes no need to act like a school teacher`
`22:40.41`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't actually like periodic table ;p it rarely gets updated`
`22:41.04`	`vhaarr`	`it gets updated when it needs to, I'm not sure what you mean`
`22:41.35`	`Kurax`	`Well, I guess the simple answer is the author Daviesh do not want the core of AtlasLoot is depending on another mob`
`22:41.36`	`Xinhuan`	`have you seen the number of requests on the forums to "add item X to boss Y" in Cartographer_InstanceLoot?`
`22:41.38`	`Kurax`	`mod*`
`22:41.50`	`vhaarr`	`Kurax: that's not an answer`
`22:41.53`	`Xinhuan`	`the reply from ck would be to badger whoeveer maintains the periodic table for those boss loot`
`22:41.54`	`vhaarr`	`but I don't need one any more`
`22:41.59`	`Xinhuan`	`and of course, nobody does it`
`22:42.18`	`Xinhuan`	`also periodic table doesn't list trash mob drops (i think?)`
`22:42.29`	`vhaarr`	`no it doesn't`
`22:42.53`	`Xinhuan`	`so in conclusion, it is rarely updated and has incomplete information`
`22:42.56`	`vhaarr`	`but if atlasloot started using it they could extend it and also keep it updated`
`22:42.56`	`Xinhuan`	`and hence i dont like it`
`22:43.04`	`vhaarr`	`so it's not really an argument`
`22:43.57`	`vhaarr`	`but I understand item name, quality and type, that info is not in PT`
`22:44.05`	`Dashkal`	`Why take over an existing mod when they already have a solution that works?`
`22:44.17`	`Xinhuan`	`the purposes don't exactly fit, would the other 20 addons that use PT cry if atlasloot added name, quality, type, info into PT?`
`22:44.23`	`Kurax`	`All of AtlasLoot is about the DB, if using the lib then it means a complete new mod, not the AtlasLoot`
`22:44.40`	`vhaarr`	`now you're all just talking nonsense`
`22:44.43`	`Kurax`	`AtlasLoot is the db itself, just as well as PDT`
`22:45.34`	`Xinhuan`	`no i'm not, i'm saying atlasloot's database is far more complete and has 3x more data than what PT provides`
`22:45.42`	`Xinhuan`	`not every addon that uses PT wants or needs these extra data`
`22:45.43`	`dylanm`	`Do you still get disconnected for querying items?`
`22:45.51`	`Xinhuan`	`dylanm: yes, if done in excess`
`22:45.52`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: yes and I didn't dispute that, did I, I even said I understood then`
`22:46.12`	`Xinhuan`	`[5/2 06:44:28] <@vhaarr> now you're all just talking nonsense`
`22:46.18`	`Xinhuan`	`you said i was talking nonsense!`
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`22:46.40`	`vhaarr`	`yeah because the discussion had the pretense that I didn't KNOW what information atlasloot needed`
`22:46.49`	`vhaarr`	`but now I know, so the discussion is dead`
`22:46.51`	`vhaarr`	`yet you continue`
`22:46.57`	`vhaarr`	`and hence, it's nonsense`
`22:47.08`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|!`
`22:47.21`	`dylanm`	`So AL tries to give you enough information so that you can bug the server about relevant stuff? I guess that's reasonable.`
`22:47.26`	`Xinhuan`	`[5/2 06:42:44] <@vhaarr> but if atlasloot started using it they could extend it and also keep it updated`
`22:47.27`	`Dashkal`	`hmm, how easy is it to just query AtlasLoots db directly?`
`22:47.34`	`Xinhuan`	`you didn't end an argument, you said PT could be extended`
`22:47.35`	`Dashkal`	`as in use it as a PT replacement`
`22:47.46`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: that was in reply to lacking "trash drops" and specific items on bosses`
`22:47.47`	`Xinhuan`	`so as a reply, i said 20 other addons might cry`
`22:47.51`	`vhaarr`	`Xinhuan: not additional information`
`22:47.56`	`vhaarr`	`<vhaarr> but I understand item name, quality and type, that info is not in PT`
`22:48.08`	`Xinhuan`	`i see`
`22:48.43`	`Kurax`	`Dashkal: No interface for that yet, only providing an interface to open a frame for boss loots`
`22:48.53`	`Dashkal`	`mmm`
`22:50.33`	`CIA-40`	`03starinnia * r72371 10SimpleMD/ (9 files): SimpleMD: Partial upgrade to Ace3 framework, must fix remaining locale files`
`22:52.21`	`CIA-40`	`03paene * r72372 10/branches/Cryolysis3/ (4 files in 4 dirs):`
`22:52.21`	`CIA-40`	`Cryolysis3:`
`22:52.21`	`CIA-40`	`- Moved mount table to inside the FindMounts function since it's rather large and we don't want it sitting in memory.`
`22:52.21`	`CIA-40`	`- Fixed reagents module`
`22:52.49`	`vhaarr`	`whoever said changing frameworks from Ace2 to Ace3 is equivalent of upgrading something needs to write a forum post about it`
`22:53.18`	`nevcairiel`	`its a higher version, so it must be a upgrade :D`
`22:53.24`	`vhaarr`	`indeed :P`
`22:53.26`	`Dashkal`	`mutters about the unfortunate naming confusion of ace2, rock, and ace3`
`22:54.01`	`CIA-40`	`03starinnia * r72373 10SimpleMD/ (9 files): SimpleMD: Revert last commit`
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`22:55.06`	`CIA-40`	`03nevcairiel * r72374 10sRaidFrames/ (sRaidFrames.lua sRaidFramesOptions.lua):`
`22:55.06`	`CIA-40`	`sRaidFrames:`
`22:55.06`	`CIA-40`	`- enhance :RegisterStatusElement API to actually be useful =P`
`22:55.06`	`CIA-40`	`03kurax * r72375 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/ (4 files):`
`22:55.06`	`CIA-40`	`AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:`
`22:55.07`	`CIA-40`	`- Eliminate the icon data`
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`22:56.49`	`Zhinjio`	`Xinhuan: ping`
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`22:57.10`	`Xinhuan`	`pong`
`22:57.33`	`Zhinjio`	`what was that gmatch that iterated over character pairs again? ... was it just (..)?`
`22:58.06`	`Xinhuan`	`(..) would match 2 chars`
`22:58.14`	`Xinhuan`	`since a . matches one char`
`22:58.15`	`nevcairiel`	`(which people refer to as a pair)`
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`22:58.51`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> s = "abcdefghij"; for k in s:gmatch("(..)") do print k end`
`22:58.51`	`Apoco`	`05/01::[18:45:35] <@orge> It has come to my attention`
`22:58.52`	`Apoco`	`05/01::[18:45:44] <@orge> that you aren't anyone's friend`
`22:58.52`	`Apoco`	`05/01::[18:45:51] <@orge> and we don't know why you are here`
`22:58.52`	`Apoco`	`05/01::[18:46:03] * orge sets mode: +b !@pool-72-83-118-128.washdc.fios.verizon.net`
`22:58.52`	`Apoco`	`05/01::[18:46:16] * cK-ImageMan was kicked by orge (i've never banned anyone, ever.)`
`22:58.52`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'k'`
`22:58.54`	`Apoco`	`bleh`
`22:58.57`	`Apoco`	`wrong window sorry`
`22:59.01`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> s = "abcdefghij"; for k in s:gmatch("(..)") do print(k) end`
`22:59.01`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: ab, cd, ef, gh, ij`
`22:59.08`	`Kurax`	`Its always three dots for one Chinese chatacter`
`22:59.31`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> s = "äbcdefghij"; for k in s:gmatch("(..)") do print(k) end`
`22:59.32`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: äb, cd, ef, gh, ij`
`22:59.32`	`Zhinjio`	`ok, thanks.`
`22:59.51`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> #("ä")`
`22:59.51`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: 1`
`22:59.54`	`nevcairiel`	`hrm`
`22:59.56`	`Xinhuan`	`lol?`
`23:00.12`	`nevcairiel`	`its probably storing it as ASCII`
`23:00.15`	`nevcairiel`	`and not utf8`
`23:00.17`	`Kurax`	`lua> #("å")`
`23:00.17`	`lua_bot`	`Kurax: 3`
`23:00.23`	`Xinhuan`	`HA`
`23:00.50`	`nevcairiel`	`lua> ("å"):match("(.)")`
`23:00.51`	`lua_bot`	`nevcairiel: å`
`23:00.58`	`Xinhuan`	`"å" == "HA" ;d`
`23:01.01`	`nevcairiel`	`thats why we have the utf8 library`
`23:01.17`	`Xinhuan`	`well in Zhinjio's case, i don't think he will ever encounter these cases`
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`23:01.25`	`Xinhuan`	`its only for internal use`
`23:01.26`	`nevcairiel`	`no idea what he uses it for`
`23:03.08`	`Dashkal`	`heh, unicode makes it blow it's brains out`
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`23:04.38`	`CIA-40`	`03kurax * r72376 10AtlasLoot_WorldLoot/ (3 files):`
`23:04.38`	`CIA-40`	`AtlasLoot_WorldLoot:`
`23:04.38`	`CIA-40`	`- Eliminate the icon data`
`23:06.52`	`Xinhuan`	`i haven't actually figured out why ratingbuster/statlogiclic needs the utf8 lib`
`23:07.06`	`Paene`	`Is there an addon that can track what spells other people are casting? even people you don't have targeted?`
`23:07.26`	`Dashkal`	`when you type extended characters into wow (kanji for example) in what encoding does it reach lua?`
`23:07.27`	`Xinhuan`	`"other people"?`
`23:07.38`	`Paene`	`other characters`
`23:07.40`	`Paene`	`like in arenas`
`23:07.44`	`Paene`	`your enemies`
`23:07.54`	`Xinhuan`	`don't think one's been made`
`23:08.30`	`Paene`	`hm..`
`23:08.32`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm not even sure if the SPELL_CAST_START and stuff is reliable for people not in your party`
`23:08.46`	`Paene`	`I know it fires for enemies`
`23:09.00`	`Paene`	`when I was trying to get timers working, horde kept killing stuff near me`
`23:09.28`	`Paene`	`just wondering though, guildie was asking...said it'd be nice to see when people are casting heals and such`
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`23:09.45`	`Paene`	`have like a bar pop-up with their cast progress`
`23:10.03`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> do return end`
`23:10.04`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: No output`
`23:11.14`	`Ackis`	`big surprise there's a typo in ARL!`
`23:11.20`	`Dashkal`	`You'd probably have to guess at cast progress. If you don't have them targeted you don't get the real cast bar stuff, and since you can't see their talents you can't know how long that frostbolt will take`
`23:11.36`	`Kurax`	`~lart Ackis`
`23:11.36`	`purl`	`whacks Ackis upside the head`
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`23:11.54`	`Ackis`	`do I fix it or wait for someone else to? lol`
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`23:11.56`	`Paene`	`he's telling me that he has vid of something doing it`
`23:12.00`	`Paene`	`he's gonna send it to me`
`23:12.45`	`Kurax`	`Ackis: I'm requesting the permission for fixing any typo I found in ARL`
`23:13.09`	`Ackis`	`Kurax: Feel free, feel free to add functionality and fix up my poor coding too :D`
`23:13.47`	`Kurax`	`=P`
`23:14.15`	`Ackis`	`http://ace.pastey.net/87044 so I thought I was pretty smart by doing that... wow says otherwise`
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`23:17.46`	`Kurax`	`Huh? You're modifing BabbleFaction table?`
`23:18.10`	`Kurax`	`Ah no`
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`23:19.20`	`Ackis`	`no I'm doing a quick hash table to determine if I display the recipe`
`23:19.25`	`Ackis`	`I'm getting a syntax error however`
`23:19.46`	`Kurax`	`Try [BFAC["The Scryers"]]`
`23:20.30`	`Ackis`	`aight`
`23:21.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`Paene: Proximo does it, NECB did it, so yes, it should be possible. with the given restrictions Dashkal mentioned`
`23:21.42`	`stew_a`	`if i define local myaddon=LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("blah"), is there any way for external addons to call my functions, or do i need to defeine that as global?`
`23:22.12`	`Kurax`	`remove the local keyword will do`
`23:22.25`	`stew_a`	`roger, ta`
`23:22.42`	`Dashkal`	`I tend to do "Nexus = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("Nexus"); local Nexus = Nexus;"`
`23:23.19`	`stew_a`	`yeah i thought about that, then figured there wasnt any point, apparently there is`
`23:23.33`	`stew_a`	`how is nexus coming dashkal?`
`23:23.45`	`Dashkal`	`Depends. How often do you actually refer to your own addon keyword? Table lookups only hurt so much when used rarely`
`23:23.56`	`Dashkal`	`On hold. Dealing with major guild drama`
`23:24.00`	`Ackis`	`Kurax: worked thanks:)`
`23:24.01`	`Dashkal`	`yay guildsplits...`
`23:24.12`	`stew_a`	`ouch`
`23:24.12`	`Xinhuan`	`stew_a`
`23:24.13`	`Kurax`	`Ackis: Grats`
`23:24.16`	`Xinhuan`	`if you defined it like local myaddon=LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("blah")`
`23:24.28`	`Xinhuan`	`you can do _G["Nexus"] = myaddon :D`
`23:24.39`	`Xinhuan`	`that would expose the local to the global table`
`23:24.49`	`Dashkal`	`Is there anyway to just ask AceAddon-3.0 for a reference?`
`23:24.58`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`23:25.01`	`stew_a`	`isnt there a LibStub():GetAddon?`
`23:25.11`	`Xinhuan`	`LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):GetAddon("Nexus")`
`23:25.27`	`Xinhuan`	`but its unwieldy`
`23:25.32`	`Xinhuan`	`and not really necessary`
`23:25.39`	`Xinhuan`	`if you just put your addon in a global`
`23:26.00`	`Dashkal`	`nods requiring libstub to get at your addon's main var might be a lil tacky :p`
`23:26.38`	`Xinhuan`	`its the same thing as`
`23:26.45`	`Xinhuan`	`LibStub:GetLibrary("AceAddon-3.0"):GetAddon("Nexus")`
`23:26.46`	`Xinhuan`	`:)`
`23:26.51`	`stew_a`	`d'oh broke my irc client by moving my page sound file`
`23:27.11`	`Dashkal`	`mmm, using stub's registry to get at ace3's registry to get at an addon's main var :p`
`23:28.16`	`Dashkal`	`Isn't there some software design rule that says to avoid chaining :s? Law of D something.`
`23:28.52`	`NivFreak`	`so wtf`
`23:29.02`	`NivFreak`	`I can't figure out how you would use these haste weapons from s4...`
`23:29.12`	`NivFreak`	`would a healer REALLY trade 400 healing for some haste?`
`23:29.14`	`stew_a`	`meh, this 3rd party api i'm trying to use doesnt seem to like addonvar:functionname syntax being passed to it`
`23:29.25`	`NivFreak`	`I mean sure, it's a shit ton of haste`
`23:29.43`	`NivFreak`	`but I know my priest would go from 1500 +healing -> 1100 +healing in all pvp gear`
`23:32.54`	`Dashkal`	`in pvp, what good is a bigger heal that didn't fire in time?`
`23:33.50`	`Azurewrath`	`227 haste rating.. wtf.. thats like 11% or something alone from a weapon oO`
`23:34.34`	`Dashkal`	`in pvp any mana left over after the other team is dead is wasted :p`
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`23:35.22`	`stew_a`	`any suggestions about how i can pass my function to this API? the api takes a string that is supposed to be the function name, then later on when its needed calls getglobal on that string`
`23:36.03`	`Dashkal`	`MyAddonName_funcName = function() end?`
`23:36.30`	`Dashkal`	`in other words, just make a global that's prefixed with your addon name to avoid collisions`
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`23:37.56`	`stew_a`	`good idea`
`23:37.59`	`Ackis`	`wow i really fucked up ARL`
`23:38.06`	`stew_a`	`either that or just /slap the api author`
`23:38.10`	`Dashkal`	`that too`
`23:38.28`	`Dashkal`	`you should be allowed to just pass in an anonymous function`
`23:39.18`	`stew_a`	`iirc theres a reason for doing it this way but i can't remember why`
`23:39.44`	`Dashkal`	`I suppose with the approach they took it's easier to change the function that will be called (just redefine the global)`
`23:39.54`	`CIA-40`	`03xinhuan * r72377 10Routes/ (6 files in 3 dirs):`
`23:39.54`	`CIA-40`	`Routes: A commit that doesn't really do anything.`
`23:39.54`	`CIA-40`	`Well actually, just early changes to add TomTom support. TomTom support is not enabled yet as TomTom needs some modifications to better support external addons.`
`23:41.04`	`Xinhuan`	`so lua doesn't let me add "return" at the top of the file`
`23:41.10`	`Xinhuan`	`i had to do "do return end"`
`23:41.46`	`Paene`	`Is there an easy way to get every spellID a class has...preferrably generated for me and put into a lua table? :-p`
`23:41.59`	`Xinhuan`	`easy? /laugh`
`23:42.03`	`Paene`	`ugh`
`23:42.10`	`Paene`	`I just typed up every spellID a mage has`
`23:42.18`	`Paene`	`and I have to do it for every other class as well`
`23:42.26`	`Xinhuan`	`why?`
`23:42.28`	`Dashkal`	`blinks`
`23:42.35`	`Dashkal`	`Nice, it just skips the return if put there alone`
`23:42.37`	`Xinhuan`	`spells are dependant on talents too fyi`
`23:42.56`	`Paene`	`...`
`23:42.57`	`Xinhuan`	`you might not have a spell in your spellbook without a talent`
`23:43.00`	`Paene`	`oh yeah`
`23:43.01`	`Paene`	`I know`
`23:43.12`	`Xinhuan`	`so you're better off manual typing it all in, than scanning`
`23:43.32`	`Kurax`	`Paene: That just a bad designing imo`
`23:44.05`	`CIA-40`	`03ackis * r72378 10AckisRecipeList/ (ARLFrame.lua AckisRecipeList.lua):`
`23:44.05`	`CIA-40`	`AckisRecipeList:`
`23:44.06`	`CIA-40`	`- Bug and typo fixes from all the dry-coding`
`23:45.04`	`Dashkal`	`+1 for Ackis's "dry-coding" count :p`
`23:45.13`	`Ackis`	`lol`
`23:45.27`	`Ackis`	`usually I just miss a letter or two, today I really fucked shit up`
`23:45.39`	`Nandini`	`you could get the spell ids and english names (and reagents) by scraping wowhead`
`23:45.50`	`Tuller`	`yeah that was what I was going to suggest :P`
`23:46.02`	`Nandini`	`e.g., druid spells: http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=7.11`
`23:46.09`	`Tuller`	`I can get you every spell id in the game easily`
`23:46.15`	`Tuller`	`just not based on class`
`23:46.27`	`Paene`	`we're cacheing every spell a user has...so we start with an initial list of spellID's cache them during OnEnable and compare the localized name and rank from the spellbook with the localized info from GetSpellInfo. The idea is to never have to call GetSpellInfo after load time. We could just cache the spells we need, but we want to end up with a way to provide a module creation API and have all the spells in cache for the user. Howev`
`23:47.06`	`Tuller`	`why do you not want to call get spell info after load time?`
`23:47.07`	`Paene`	`er, not for the user, but for the module dev`
`23:47.11`	`Tuller`	`how slow is it running?`
`23:47.32`	`Paene`	`from what I understand, it's better to cache spell info than to call GetSpellInfo() all the time`
`23:47.47`	`Paene`	`granted that's probably only true in the case of spells you query info for a lot`
`23:47.54`	`Xinhuan`	`why do you need the spells of every class?`
`23:48.03`	`Paene`	`Cryo3 is for all classes`
`23:48.24`	`Xinhuan`	`what's wrong with scanning the spellbook then?`
`23:48.37`	`Paene`	`doesn't return spellID's :-/`
`23:48.38`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm assuming you don't need entries for spells you can't cast?`
`23:48.42`	`Tuller`	`why do you need spell ids? :P`
`23:48.46`	`Xinhuan`	`only for spells you can cast?`
`23:49.13`	`Paene`	`Tuller: we need spellID's for multiple locales`
`23:49.14`	`Tuller`	`guessing you're auto populating buttons`
`23:49.41`	`Paene`	`GetSpellInfo("Arcane Explosion") won't work on foreign clients`
`23:49.43`	`Tuller`	`so you need a list of spell ids for each class for relevant spells, which is easy enough to do`
`23:49.55`	`Xinhuan`	`if you go by the spellbook method, everytime you untalent, and learn a new spell from respeccing, you need to rescan btw`
`23:50.04`	`Tuller`	`knowing that you only need one id per spell, unless you want multiple ranks`
`23:50.27`	`Dashkal`	`What does scraping the spellbook give you?`
`23:50.31`	`Paene`	`Xinhuan: isn't there an event that fires when you learn a spell? I think it's passed some spellinfo too`
`23:50.40`	`Xinhuan`	`there is an event`
`23:50.41`	`Tuller`	`every spell a user knows`
`23:50.52`	`Paene`	`the spellbook provides a way to only keep the spells the user knows, and trash the extras`
`23:50.55`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm not sure if that event passes the spellid`
`23:50.56`	`Dashkal`	`if it gives the spell name, you can then call GetSpellInfo() on that name`
`23:51.19`	`Paene`	`Dashkal: you mean the spellbook? or when the user learns a new spell?`
`23:51.20`	`Tuller`	`roight`
`23:51.26`	`Xinhuan`	`so basically, you are looking for a way to translate localized spellname --> spellid?`
`23:51.27`	`Dashkal`	`Since presumably walking the spellbook would give you the localized spell name`
`23:51.33`	`Paene`	`Xinhuan yeah`
`23:51.42`	`Tuller`	`the event definitely does not pass the spellID`
`23:51.44`	`Xinhuan`	`could have said that earlier, without the story behind it :D`
`23:51.48`	`Paene`	`lol`
`23:52.01`	`Paene`	`Dashkal: the problem then is, our cache would be useless`
`23:52.09`	`Paene`	`since I have no clue the localized text for any spell`
`23:52.10`	`Xinhuan`	`answer: there is no simple way to do it`
`23:52.14`	`Tuller`	`metatable cache :P`
`23:52.15`	`Paene`	`in any language other than english`
`23:52.36`	`Dashkal`	`true, you would be forced to build the cache the first time you can scrape the spellbook rather than before.`
`23:52.38`	`Xinhuan`	`the only "reliable" method is to scan all spellIDs and check its localized text and compare`
`23:52.45`	`Xinhuan`	`i.e forward checking to build the backwards table`
`23:52.50`	`Paene`	`yep`
`23:52.53`	`Paene`	`that's what we're doing`
`23:52.56`	`Paene`	`just seems inefficient`
`23:53.09`	`Dashkal`	`ponders why GetSpellInfo() doesn't return the ID...`
`23:53.25`	`Xinhuan`	`it just doesn't, maybe ask zoot or slouken to implement ;p`
`23:53.26`	`Paene`	`that's why I put in a request for GetSpellbookInfo to return spellID and englishName`
`23:53.41`	`CIA-40`	`03sayclub * r72379 10LibResComm-1.0/LibResComm-1.0.lua:`
`23:53.41`	`CIA-40`	`LibResComm-1.0:`
`23:53.41`	`CIA-40`	`- Added koKR localization`
`23:53.58`	`Paene`	`it's be even nicer if we could index the spellcache by english spellname`
`23:54.01`	`Xinhuan`	`you just have to be somewhat careful since many spells can have the same localized text`
`23:54.16`	`Paene`	`then we wouldn't have to look up every spellID when we want to use it`
`23:54.19`	`Xinhuan`	`for example, Curse of Agony is casted by ... Sarthovar the Corrupt (kalecgos)`
`23:54.21`	`Paene`	`yeah, that's why we compare rank too`
`23:54.23`	`Xinhuan`	`but its a different spell`
`23:54.27`	`Xinhuan`	`but its rank 1 too`
`23:54.47`	`Paene`	`I don't follow...`
`23:54.47`	`Xinhuan`	`i think`
`23:54.59`	`Kurax`	`hehe LibBabble-Spells found its new position`
`23:55.04`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm saying a boss casting a spell can also have rank 1 versions`
`23:55.15`	`Xinhuan`	`that is different from a player's spell with the same name and rank`
`23:55.25`	`Paene`	`but we're not looking at the boss's spells`
`23:55.26`	`Paene`	`lol`
`23:55.33`	`Xinhuan`	`you're scanning all spellIDs`
`23:55.43`	`Xinhuan`	`you might chance on a boss that casts "Seed of Corruption"`
`23:55.49`	`Xinhuan`	`and map incorrectly`
`23:55.55`	`Paene`	`right, we're scanning a handmade list`
`23:55.57`	`Paene`	`of spellID's`
`23:56.02`	`Xinhuan`	`ah`
`23:56.04`	`Kurax`	`Maintaining the spell list with Blizz is a hard job, not mentioning for all the classes`
`23:56.07`	`Xinhuan`	`i thought you were scanning 1-100000`
`23:56.13`	`Paene`	`lol hell no`
`23:56.29`	`Paene`	`that'd be crzy`
`23:56.31`	`Paene`	`*crazy`
`23:56.36`	`Xinhuan`	`doesn't really take that long`
`23:56.39`	`Paene`	`true`
`23:56.40`	`Xinhuan`	`only about 3 seconds ;p`
`23:56.43`	`Paene`	`lol`
`23:56.48`	`Paene`	`something tells me you know firsthand`
`23:57.11`	`Xinhuan`	`its what you do when you are lazy to search wowhead`
`23:57.14`	`Xinhuan`	`for the spellid`
`23:57.23`	`Paene`	`but yeah, either GetSpellInfo returning spellID or GetSpellbookInfo returning spellID would be nice`
`23:57.28`	`Paene`	`lol`
`23:57.42`	`Dashkal`	`Sounds like a good request of Slouken or Zoot for 2.5/3.0`
`23:58.17`	`Nandini`	`the request has been made half a dozen times already i think`
`23:58.26`	`Nandini`	`in addition to getting spellids from buffs`
`23:58.46`	`Dashkal`	`from buffs I believe was outright rejected, but I don't remember any response either way from the spellbook`
`23:59.08`	`Paene`	`I also requested for GetSpellInfo to return reagent itemID's for spells with reagents`
`23:59.14`	`Dashkal`	`wait a tick, that can't be right, or how does the wowhead scraper get the spellid of buffs?`
`23:59.30`	`Nandini`	`from the dbc files (buffs always come from other spells)`
`23:59.36`	`Dashkal`	`ahh`
`23:59.51`	`Dashkal`	`ooo, that would be handy (reagent ids)`

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